From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Sat Oct 1 07:37:07 2011 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Sat, 01 Oct 2011 08:37:07 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] The windows 7 upgrade experience Message-ID: <4E870973.3040301@colbyconsulting.com> I moved my 3 year old Dell M90 laptop to Windows. I purchased the Seagate Momentus XT hybrid drive (it has an SSD cache) and did a clean install of Windows 7 and started the migration. So much fun. I also installed Office 2003 and then Office 2010. Now, even though 2003 is the default when I double click an access database, if I right click in a directory and tell it to create a new database, it creates an Access 2010 database. Does anyone know where that property is stored / changed? Windows is soooooo much fun. I have to say I like Windows 7 much better than Vista. I realize it is really just Vista Service Pack 57 but it still just seems to work better. And I really like the combination of the Seagate XT drive and Windows 7 (clean install). So far it is booting to the logon in just a few seconds and from there to a usable desktop in just a few more seconds. And yea, I know that it may not stay that way after installing / uninstalling a jillion things. But for today it feels like a brand new computer. jwcolby Colby Consulting From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Sat Oct 1 07:45:50 2011 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Sat, 01 Oct 2011 08:45:50 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Strange experience Message-ID: <4E870B7E.2030605@colbyconsulting.com> As I recover from the clean install I am trying to get my billing database working again. For some reason the database container is read only. In file / properties it is read only and if I try to make any change in Access it gives me a "cannot save changes". I go into Explorer and sure enough it is readonly for the "all users". So I change it and save the changes. Go out and back in and the file is now "full control". I can now save a change to a module, and it does in fact seem to save. However one of the local tables inside of the fe had a date() default value. From the debug window date() works just fine. However if i try to add a record Jet does not understand the date() in the default property. Not only that, but after trying to save the record (and failing because jet does not understand date()) the access database is back to read only. And of course I have real work to do and really don't want to play these games. I am going to build a new fe and pull everything in and see what happens. Of course Explorer thingk I want an Access 10 container when I right click / create new database. Sigh. jwcolby Colby Consulting From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Sat Oct 1 07:54:29 2011 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Sat, 01 Oct 2011 08:54:29 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Explorer right click Message-ID: <4E870D85.7060508@colbyconsulting.com> Well it seems that when I was creating an access object in explorer (right click) I was selecting the top selection which is something 2010 related. The 2003 database object is down the list further. So that mystery solved. -- John W. Colby Colby Consulting From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Sat Oct 1 07:55:22 2011 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2011 05:55:22 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] The windows 7 upgrade experience In-Reply-To: <4E870973.3040301@colbyconsulting.com> References: <4E870973.3040301@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <4CEA3C0CF7064A63A805A47B28D4620D@HAL9007> DO you have that "Installing...." thing whenever you switch from 2003 to 2010 of vv? Rocky -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2011 5:37 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: [AccessD] The windows 7 upgrade experience I moved my 3 year old Dell M90 laptop to Windows. I purchased the Seagate Momentus XT hybrid drive (it has an SSD cache) and did a clean install of Windows 7 and started the migration. So much fun. I also installed Office 2003 and then Office 2010. Now, even though 2003 is the default when I double click an access database, if I right click in a directory and tell it to create a new database, it creates an Access 2010 database. Does anyone know where that property is stored / changed? Windows is soooooo much fun. I have to say I like Windows 7 much better than Vista. I realize it is really just Vista Service Pack 57 but it still just seems to work better. And I really like the combination of the Seagate XT drive and Windows 7 (clean install). So far it is booting to the logon in just a few seconds and from there to a usable desktop in just a few more seconds. And yea, I know that it may not stay that way after installing / uninstalling a jillion things. But for today it feels like a brand new computer. jwcolby Colby Consulting -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Sat Oct 1 08:50:59 2011 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Sat, 01 Oct 2011 09:50:59 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Object or class does not support the set of events Message-ID: <4E871AC3.60604@colbyconsulting.com> Holy cow man things just get worse and worse. In lookingup the error message in the subject I found something about having Access "run as administrator". Somehow I found and set that and now *everything* is broken. As I open Access it does the UAC thing (screen dims and asks if i want to allow the application to make changes), then Access tries to open and gives me a "There was a problem sending the command to the program.", then Access does in fact open. What have I done and how do I undo it? I cannot seem to find my back to where I set that property. Will a restore point get rid of this crap? I have billing to get done and I am broken. I have spent two hours on just this stuff and I am now further from a solution than when I started. @#$&*&*^&)(*_)(*)&*%&^#%$#!%*()&_)*_)*(!!!!! -- John W. Colby Colby Consulting From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Sat Oct 1 09:22:45 2011 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Sat, 01 Oct 2011 10:22:45 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] The windows 7 upgrade experience In-Reply-To: <4CEA3C0CF7064A63A805A47B28D4620D@HAL9007> References: <4E870973.3040301@colbyconsulting.com> <4CEA3C0CF7064A63A805A47B28D4620D@HAL9007> Message-ID: <4E872235.8010709@colbyconsulting.com> Yes. On 10/1/2011 8:55 AM, Rocky Smolin wrote: > DO you have that "Installing...." thing whenever you switch from 2003 to > 2010 of vv? > > Rocky > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby > Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2011 5:37 AM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: [AccessD] The windows 7 upgrade experience > > I moved my 3 year old Dell M90 laptop to Windows. I purchased the Seagate > Momentus XT hybrid drive (it has an SSD cache) and did a clean install of > Windows 7 and started the migration. So much fun. > > I also installed Office 2003 and then Office 2010. Now, even though 2003 is > the default when I double click an access database, if I right click in a > directory and tell it to create a new database, it creates an Access 2010 > database. > > Does anyone know where that property is stored / changed? > > Windows is soooooo much fun. > > I have to say I like Windows 7 much better than Vista. I realize it is > really just Vista Service Pack 57 but it still just seems to work better. > > And I really like the combination of the Seagate XT drive and Windows 7 > (clean install). So far it is booting to the logon in just a few seconds > and from there to a usable desktop in just a few more seconds. And yea, I > know that it may not stay that way after installing / uninstalling a jillion > things. But for today it feels like a brand new computer. > > jwcolby > Colby Consulting > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From fuller.artful at gmail.com Sat Oct 1 09:35:29 2011 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2011 10:35:29 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Object or class does not support the set of events In-Reply-To: <4E871AC3.60604@colbyconsulting.com> References: <4E871AC3.60604@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: I have no solutions for you. But IIRC, you're the guy with RAM and SSHDs to die for, so why aren't you using all your spiffy hardware and software to create some VMs and do this in-situ, as it were? And further, why don't you have one box dedicated to "meat and potatoes", and everything else located elsewhere? My close friend Peter Simpson has a pretty cool hardware setup which I envy. I cannot describe the HW details but the essence is this. He has five or six boxes and one keyboard and monitor and mouse, and by flicking a switch, he suddenly moves from Box 1 to Box 2 etc. One box runs Win7, another wXP, another Ubuntu, another RedHat, and yet another Solaris. Someday soon I shall waterboard him for all the details on how to set this up, but at the moment it's a total mystery to me. I just watch him press some magic keystrokes and then suddenly he's in another box, and I don't mean VM, I mean another physical box. I feel that I can no longer keep up with the rapidly-changing technology. I think I'm too old for this career-path. China plans to overtake USA in space-launches. Good thing I'm learning Mandarin (and am actually getting pretty adept; well no, let's settle for "I have the basics", and Cantonese is a way tougher nut to crack, but I'm working on it). A. From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Sat Oct 1 10:13:18 2011 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Sat, 01 Oct 2011 11:13:18 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Object or class does not support the set of events In-Reply-To: References: <4E871AC3.60604@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <4E872E0E.7050601@colbyconsulting.com> > My close friend Peter Simpson has a pretty cool hardware setup which I envy. I cannot describe the HW details but the essence is this. He has five or six boxes and one keyboard and monitor and mouse, and by flicking a switch, he suddenly moves from Box 1 to Box 2 etc. One box runs Win7, another wXP, another Ubuntu, another RedHat, and yet another Solaris. It is called a kvm switch (Keyboard Video Mouse switch). I have one of those but when I moved two of my three server machines to the basement the kvm switch went with it. As for the "why no dedicated virtual machine", well it has to do with I run off of a laptop which is supposed to be portable. VMs, at least on my server are... well... on my server. While I experimented with running them on my laptop they tend to be large-ish and take up disk space. Until this point, my laptop disks were not really big enough to support virtual machines. Plus a laptop by its nature does not have the most powerful / speedy processor chips. The new disk is 500 gigs, which I broke into 100g for the boot and 400 for the data. I intend to reassess the reality of VMs nw that I have this much storage. In the meantime, the billing program is broken. I am going to try running it directly in Access 2010 and see if that works. If so it will provide the imputus to make the switch and learn the (*&%^%$#$#! toolbar interface. If it still does not work I will remove Office 2010 entirely. It appears that it has to do with having both 2003 and 2010 installed at the same time. Maybe. John W. Colby Colby Consulting On 10/1/2011 10:35 AM, Arthur Fuller wrote: > I have no solutions for you. But IIRC, you're the guy with RAM and SSHDs to > die for, so why aren't you using all your spiffy hardware and software to > create some VMs and do this in-situ, as it were? And further, why don't you > have one box dedicated to "meat and potatoes", and everything else located > elsewhere? > > My close friend Peter Simpson has a pretty cool hardware setup which I envy. > I cannot describe the HW details but the essence is this. He has five or six > boxes and one keyboard and monitor and mouse, and by flicking a switch, he > suddenly moves from Box 1 to Box 2 etc. One box runs Win7, another wXP, > another Ubuntu, another RedHat, and yet another Solaris. > > Someday soon I shall waterboard him for all the details on how to set this > up, but at the moment it's a total mystery to me. I just watch him press > some magic keystrokes and then suddenly he's in another box, and I don't > mean VM, I mean another physical box. > > I feel that I can no longer keep up with the rapidly-changing technology. I > think I'm too old for this career-path. China plans to overtake USA in > space-launches. Good thing I'm learning Mandarin (and am actually getting > pretty adept; well no, let's settle for "I have the basics", and Cantonese > is a way tougher nut to crack, but I'm working on it). > > A. From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Sat Oct 1 10:22:33 2011 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Sat, 01 Oct 2011 11:22:33 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Billing works in 2010 Message-ID: <4E873039.4030700@colbyconsulting.com> Well let's say it opens without the complaints that 2003 was giving me. I can log in past my presentation level security. It was the login form that was complaining in 2003. But my time sheet entry is not working. At this point *anything* is progress! ;) -- John W. Colby Colby Consulting From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Sat Oct 1 10:55:26 2011 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Sat, 01 Oct 2011 11:55:26 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Billing "Fully working" in 2010 Message-ID: <4E8737EE.6000805@colbyconsulting.com> I had to relink my views (SQL Server). It seems that I had not stored the password in the link or something. The tables were r/w but the views were ro. So it appears that 4 hours later I am able to use my billing app in 2010. It still gives the same error message in 2003. Unfortunately I use Outlook to send/receive email and it remains to be configured. or move to Blat or the likes. -- John W. Colby Colby Consulting From fuller.artful at gmail.com Sat Oct 1 11:23:56 2011 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2011 12:23:56 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Object or class does not support the set of events In-Reply-To: <4E872E0E.7050601@colbyconsulting.com> References: <4E871AC3.60604@colbyconsulting.com> <4E872E0E.7050601@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: My suggestion is to run each of these apps in its own VM, the principle reason being that no bedbugs can clutter any other installation. Thus you can have an XP VM, an Ubuntu VM, a Win7 VM and even a Win8 VM, all residing comfortably within your vast amount of RAM. My suggestion is that you create a VM that exactly mirrors your clients' setup, and do all your development work within that environment. This will (in theory) obviate any possible library-collisions, updates and so on. In practise, I have five VMs at the ready. Two are tailored to clients' in-sutu, with nothing loaded in the given instance but wXP in one case and w7 in the other; the others are devoted to various flavours of Linux. I have no billable clients on Linux but I keep on learning, and I don't want anything I do in any environment to screw up what already works in any given VM. The upside is that everything (e;g; every client's world) is protected from anything stupid that I may do on the base.The downside is that I have to remember all the backups and their schedules; but I am willing to trade off this for that. At the moment, this whole op is relatively trivial: two clients plus me. Perhaps my approach might grow unwieldy, in the face of dozens or hundreds of clients, but for the moment it works, and I can even envision its scalability. It is quite possible that the future shall prove me wrong, and that I shall have to rethink this, someday down the road. But for the moment, which involves a client-base of two, it works so far. From fuller.artful at gmail.com Sat Oct 1 11:29:11 2011 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2011 12:29:11 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Billing "Fully working" in 2010 In-Reply-To: <4E8737EE.6000805@colbyconsulting.com> References: <4E8737EE.6000805@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: Oh boy. Have you considered gmail? IMO it is way better than any other player, and a cool thing about it is, if you have a laptop and want to visit Starbucks, you can connect with everything intact. As for me, I gave up on Outlook two or three years ago, and I will never go back. A. On Sat, Oct 1, 2011 at 11:55 AM, jwcolby wrote: > I had to relink my views (SQL Server). It seems that I had not stored the > password in the link or something. The tables were r/w but the views were > ro. > > So it appears that 4 hours later I am able to use my billing app in 2010. > It still gives the same error message in 2003. > > Unfortunately I use Outlook to send/receive email and it remains to be > configured. or move to Blat or the likes. > > From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Sat Oct 1 12:06:10 2011 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Sat, 01 Oct 2011 13:06:10 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Billing "Fully working" in 2010 In-Reply-To: References: <4E8737EE.6000805@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <4E874882.5090009@colbyconsulting.com> Do you automate gmail? My billing program generates invoices which I then attach to an outlook email and send. John W. Colby Colby Consulting On 10/1/2011 12:29 PM, Arthur Fuller wrote: > Oh boy. Have you considered gmail? IMO it is way better than any other > player, and a cool thing about it is, if you have a laptop and want to visit > Starbucks, you can connect with everything intact. > > As for me, I gave up on Outlook two or three years ago, and I will never go > back. > > A. > > On Sat, Oct 1, 2011 at 11:55 AM, jwcolbywrote: > >> I had to relink my views (SQL Server). It seems that I had not stored the >> password in the link or something. The tables were r/w but the views were >> ro. >> >> So it appears that 4 hours later I am able to use my billing app in 2010. >> It still gives the same error message in 2003. >> >> Unfortunately I use Outlook to send/receive email and it remains to be >> configured. or move to Blat or the likes. >> >> From john at winhaven.net Sat Oct 1 12:59:37 2011 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2011 12:59:37 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Billing "Fully working" in 2010 In-Reply-To: <4E874882.5090009@colbyconsulting.com> References: <4E8737EE.6000805@colbyconsulting.com> <4E874882.5090009@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <00d701cc8063$e284e6a0$a78eb3e0$@winhaven.net> That's the problem with web based email programs. Automating them and being assured that they don't change without you being notified. I've recently been burned in this regards by Live Mail and Hotmail so beware. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2011 12:06 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Billing "Fully working" in 2010 Do you automate gmail? My billing program generates invoices which I then attach to an outlook email and send. John W. Colby Colby Consulting On 10/1/2011 12:29 PM, Arthur Fuller wrote: > Oh boy. Have you considered gmail? IMO it is way better than any other > player, and a cool thing about it is, if you have a laptop and want to > visit Starbucks, you can connect with everything intact. > > As for me, I gave up on Outlook two or three years ago, and I will > never go back. > > A. > > On Sat, Oct 1, 2011 at 11:55 AM, jwcolbywrote: > >> I had to relink my views (SQL Server). It seems that I had not >> stored the password in the link or something. The tables were r/w >> but the views were ro. >> >> So it appears that 4 hours later I am able to use my billing app in 2010. >> It still gives the same error message in 2003. >> >> Unfortunately I use Outlook to send/receive email and it remains to >> be configured. or move to Blat or the likes. >> >> -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From john at winhaven.net Sat Oct 1 12:59:37 2011 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2011 12:59:37 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Object or class does not support the set of events In-Reply-To: References: <4E871AC3.60604@colbyconsulting.com> <4E872E0E.7050601@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <00d801cc8063$e2d37bd0$a87a7370$@winhaven.net> I was about to suggest something similar. Run Office 2010 on your PC and office (insert old version) in a VM. You can set your virtual machine to be a window just like any other program so it is always available. Also I have had some compatibility issues between Windows 7 and Outlook 2003. Unfortunately I can recall what they were but it prompted me to just use Outlook 2010 for my email. I have all of Office 2003 in an XP VM where it works like butta! -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2011 11:24 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Object or class does not support the set of events My suggestion is to run each of these apps in its own VM, the principle reason being that no bedbugs can clutter any other installation. Thus you can have an XP VM, an Ubuntu VM, a Win7 VM and even a Win8 VM, all residing comfortably within your vast amount of RAM. My suggestion is that you create a VM that exactly mirrors your clients' setup, and do all your development work within that environment. This will (in theory) obviate any possible library-collisions, updates and so on. In practise, I have five VMs at the ready. Two are tailored to clients' in-sutu, with nothing loaded in the given instance but wXP in one case and w7 in the other; the others are devoted to various flavours of Linux. I have no billable clients on Linux but I keep on learning, and I don't want anything I do in any environment to screw up what already works in any given VM. The upside is that everything (e;g; every client's world) is protected from anything stupid that I may do on the base.The downside is that I have to remember all the backups and their schedules; but I am willing to trade off this for that. At the moment, this whole op is relatively trivial: two clients plus me. Perhaps my approach might grow unwieldy, in the face of dozens or hundreds of clients, but for the moment it works, and I can even envision its scalability. It is quite possible that the future shall prove me wrong, and that I shall have to rethink this, someday down the road. But for the moment, which involves a client-base of two, it works so far. -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Sat Oct 1 13:25:34 2011 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2011 14:25:34 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Billing "Fully working" in 2010 In-Reply-To: <4E8737EE.6000805@colbyconsulting.com> References: <4E8737EE.6000805@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: I confess that I use a version of the TIme-Billing app that was a sample app in Office 2007. I reshaped it to suit my needs and then have used it ever since. It works excellenty for my meagre requirements -- single or occasionally assistant developer, and dealing with several projects. and allowing me to assign an hour to this task and and two hours to that task, and print an invoice and send same to the client in question as a PDF file. That's enough for me, and also for Revenue Canada, our equivalent of the IRS. I needed to add a couple of columns to the sample app, and to modify the queries and reports to reflect these new columns, but basically I changed almost nothing in the sample app, and it works wonderfully for my modest needs. I have not bothered to migrate it to SQL Server, since I am the only user of this db, but I have migrated dozens of client dbs and it's a breeze to go there. I back up the BE daily and why go further if the existing solution works? Way back when, I believed the opposite: "If it works, break it, and think of something better." Well, I don't have enough time remaining in my life to continue upon this path. Younger souls may have the time and energy, but I'm out of both. If it works, leave it alone! That's my current motto. You know what, I just lied. I cannot leave a well-bed baby alone. I have to go back and tend to her. In terms of code, this means Refactoring, and even if the client is not willing to pay, I can't help revisiting apps delivered and accepted. I revisit them compulsively, and I look at the 20+lines of code and think, couldn't this be 10 lines? And so on. I can't help it, even though the last invoice to the given client might have been a year ago. I return to the code and inspect it and think, "What an idiot On Sat, Oct 1, 2011 at 11:55 AM, jwcolby wrote: > I had to relink my views (SQL Server). It seems that I had not stored the > password in the link or something. The tables were r/w but the views were > ro. > > So it appears that 4 hours later I am able to use my billing app in 2010. > It still gives the same error message in 2003. > > Unfortunately I use Outlook to send/receive email and it remains to be > configured. or move to Blat or the likes. > > -- > John W. Colby > Colby Consulting > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.**com > From fuller.artful at gmail.com Sat Oct 1 13:40:17 2011 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2011 14:40:17 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Billing "Fully working" in 2010 In-Reply-To: <4E874882.5090009@colbyconsulting.com> References: <4E8737EE.6000805@colbyconsulting.com> <4E874882.5090009@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: You're way ahead of me on that one. I do it manually, but then I only have two clients and judging by your emails you have lots! And so it should be, you got plenty of skills and I rather fewer. But I shall just plod on with my meagre skill set, and hope for the best. I just had a great conversation with my neighbor Bessie, whose first language is Greek. I know a handful of words; I'm much better at Cantonese and Mandarin, although even there I'm pretty shaky, but I'm trying. It's election time in Ontario, and I'm out there stumping for my old friend Peter Tabuns, NDP (in USA-English that would be equivalent to socialist LOL, but that is far from the truth. I just stopped in to see what condition my email was in; now it's back out to hanging the drops in every mail-drop. Frankly this riding is a shoe-in, we've carried it for 20+ years, but still, one must tread the paths and hand out the literature. This is my lovely weekend. Stumping is physical, not at all virtual. You do your prison thing, and for that I applaud you profoundly. I do my little bit toward electing the NDP here in Ontario. It may not amount to a hill of beans, but it's better than doing nothing. Arthur On Sat, Oct 1, 2011 at 1:06 PM, jwcolby wrote: > Do you automate gmail? My billing program generates invoices which I then > attach to an outlook email and send. > > > John W. Colby > Colby Consulting > > On 10/1/2011 12:29 PM, Arthur Fuller wrote: > >> Oh boy. Have you considered gmail? IMO it is way better than any other >> player, and a cool thing about it is, if you have a laptop and want to >> visit >> Starbucks, you can connect with everything intact. >> >> As for me, I gave up on Outlook two or three years ago, and I will never >> go >> back. >> >> A. >> >> On Sat, Oct 1, 2011 at 11:55 AM, jwcolby >> >wrote: >> >> I had to relink my views (SQL Server). It seems that I had not stored >>> the >>> password in the link or something. The tables were r/w but the views >>> were >>> ro. >>> >>> So it appears that 4 hours later I am able to use my billing app in 2010. >>> It still gives the same error message in 2003. >>> >>> Unfortunately I use Outlook to send/receive email and it remains to be >>> configured. or move to Blat or the likes. >>> >>> >>> -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.**com > From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Sat Oct 1 14:42:08 2011 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Sat, 01 Oct 2011 15:42:08 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Having nothing better to do (yea right) Message-ID: <4E876D10.2060401@colbyconsulting.com> I installed Visual Studio 2008 and 2010 on my "new" laptop, including hooking up to source control. I pulled the main client projects into 2008 and then into 2010, whereupon 2010 insisted on converting the 2008 to 2010. It then occurred to me that if I saved it to source control I would be screwing up the 2008 code (which is the production version). I guess I need to store 2010 out as a new version, just to play with. We have much experience in VS 2008 but I have none in 2010 though Paul does. I also downloaded the XNA game studio 4.0 for VS 2010. I have been hankering for years to re-write the old Empire game from scratch in a modern environment. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classic_Empire_(video_game) I have played that game since the late 80s and amazingly, it still runs under Windows 2007. It was the grandpappy of most modern strategy war games and I play it to this day against the computer. Wouldn't it be cool to do it in C#, classes, sql server express as a data store, multi-player over the internet? I have only ever played it against another live person one time, when I played against my uncle on his Mac. I am convinced I am a better player than he, but he wiped the floor with me because, I believe, the rules (strategy tables) between the mac version and the pc version were sufficiently different. Playing against another person consisted of physically exchanging the computer between turns, very crude. Now days we could play against each other on different continents. Having nothing better to do... -- John W. Colby Colby Consulting From accessd at shaw.ca Sat Oct 1 15:09:53 2011 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2011 13:09:53 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Having nothing better to do (yea right) In-Reply-To: <4E876D10.2060401@colbyconsulting.com> References: <4E876D10.2060401@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: That sounds like a fun project John. Jim -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2011 12:42 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving; VBA Subject: [AccessD] Having nothing better to do (yea right) I installed Visual Studio 2008 and 2010 on my "new" laptop, including hooking up to source control. I pulled the main client projects into 2008 and then into 2010, whereupon 2010 insisted on converting the 2008 to 2010. It then occurred to me that if I saved it to source control I would be screwing up the 2008 code (which is the production version). I guess I need to store 2010 out as a new version, just to play with. We have much experience in VS 2008 but I have none in 2010 though Paul does. I also downloaded the XNA game studio 4.0 for VS 2010. I have been hankering for years to re-write the old Empire game from scratch in a modern environment. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classic_Empire_(video_game) I have played that game since the late 80s and amazingly, it still runs under Windows 2007. It was the grandpappy of most modern strategy war games and I play it to this day against the computer. Wouldn't it be cool to do it in C#, classes, sql server express as a data store, multi-player over the internet? I have only ever played it against another live person one time, when I played against my uncle on his Mac. I am convinced I am a better player than he, but he wiped the floor with me because, I believe, the rules (strategy tables) between the mac version and the pc version were sufficiently different. Playing against another person consisted of physically exchanging the computer between turns, very crude. Now days we could play against each other on different continents. Having nothing better to do... -- John W. Colby Colby Consulting -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Sat Oct 1 15:13:52 2011 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Sat, 01 Oct 2011 16:13:52 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] True Crypt whole disk encryption Message-ID: <4E877480.2080209@colbyconsulting.com> The last iteration with my laptop I used Windows Bit locker to perform a whole disk encryption. This time I am using Windows 7 Home Premium which does not include Bit locker. I had just about decided to use True Crypt anyway because with Bil Locker I was unable to mount the old hard disk on another computer to pull the old contents off onto the new disk. So when I installed Windows 7 I broke the disk into three partitions, a 6 gig for the swap file, 100 gig for the OS/programs and 400 gig for data. I then started Truecrypt and told it to go to work encrypting the whole thing and went to bed. In the morning... the computer had decided to sleep during the night (lazy thing!) and so it was only 25% finished. It took most of the day to finish encrypting the entire disk (all partitions) and so here I am. Having done that I decided to hang the truecrypt encrypted disk on another computer, put the old disk back in and push the disk contents out to the other disk. The other disk would not finish loading Windows with the truecrypt encrypted disk on it! It would start to load Windows (2008 server) and then apparently it ran into the true crypt disk and couldn't handle it. It just hung, never finished loading windows. In the end I told the bitlocker software to unencrypt the old disk, then hung that on another machine and put the truecrypt disk back in the laptop, and pulled everything into the new disk. Well not everything but you know what I mean. At least I can do that with the unencrypted disk drive. Things never work the way I envision them working. Truecrypt is not significantly slowing down the new disk. I do have to enter the password at the point where the bios tries to load windows, then off it goes. Not good for auto reboot after software updates... -- John W. Colby Colby Consulting From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Sat Oct 1 15:55:58 2011 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Sun, 02 Oct 2011 06:55:58 +1000 Subject: [AccessD] Object or class does not support the set of events In-Reply-To: <4E872E0E.7050601@colbyconsulting.com> References: <4E871AC3.60604@colbyconsulting.com>, , <4E872E0E.7050601@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <4E877E5E.30439.419E988@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> I've been running different versions of Access in VirtualBox VMs on my laptop for a couple of years with no problems. (Intel 2,4GB Core2 Duo, 4GM Ram, , 320GB partitioned into 22 drives, Vista) -- Stuart On 1 Oct 2011 at 11:13, jwcolby wrote: > > As for the "why no dedicated virtual machine", well it has to do with > I run off of a laptop which is supposed to be portable. VMs, at least > on my server are... well... on my server. While I experimented with > running them on my laptop they tend to be large-ish and take up disk > space. Until this point, my laptop disks were not really big enough > to support virtual machines. Plus a laptop by its nature does not > have the most powerful / speedy processor chips. > > The new disk is 500 gigs, which I broke into 100g for the boot and 400 > for the data. I intend to reassess the reality of VMs nw that I have > this much storage. > > In the meantime, the billing program is broken. > > I am going to try running it directly in Access 2010 and see if that > works. If so it will provide the imputus to make the switch and learn > the (*&%^%$#$#! toolbar interface. If it still does not work I will > remove Office 2010 entirely. It appears that it has to do with having > both 2003 and 2010 installed at the same time. Maybe. > > John W. Colby > Colby Consulting > > > On 10/1/2011 10:35 AM, Arthur Fuller wrote: > > I have no solutions for you. But IIRC, you're the guy with RAM and > > SSHDs to die for, so why aren't you using all your spiffy hardware > > and software to create some VMs and do this in-situ, as it were? And > > further, why don't you have one box dedicated to "meat and > > potatoes", and everything else located elsewhere? > > > > My close friend Peter Simpson has a pretty cool hardware setup which > > I envy. I cannot describe the HW details but the essence is this. He > > has five or six boxes and one keyboard and monitor and mouse, and by > > flicking a switch, he suddenly moves from Box 1 to Box 2 etc. One > > box runs Win7, another wXP, another Ubuntu, another RedHat, and yet > > another Solaris. > > > > Someday soon I shall waterboard him for all the details on how to > > set this up, but at the moment it's a total mystery to me. I just > > watch him press some magic keystrokes and then suddenly he's in > > another box, and I don't mean VM, I mean another physical box. > > > > I feel that I can no longer keep up with the rapidly-changing > > technology. I think I'm too old for this career-path. China plans to > > overtake USA in space-launches. Good thing I'm learning Mandarin > > (and am actually getting pretty adept; well no, let's settle for "I > > have the basics", and Cantonese is a way tougher nut to crack, but > > I'm working on it). > > > > A. > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Sat Oct 1 16:03:09 2011 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Sat, 01 Oct 2011 17:03:09 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Object or class does not support the set of events In-Reply-To: <4E877E5E.30439.419E988@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: <4E871AC3.60604@colbyconsulting.com>, , <4E872E0E.7050601@colbyconsulting.com> <4E877E5E.30439.419E988@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <4E87800D.2080005@colbyconsulting.com> >320GB partitioned into 22 drives, Vista That's interesting. Is a drive per vm more efficient? John W. Colby Colby Consulting On 10/1/2011 4:55 PM, Stuart McLachlan wrote: > I've been running different versions of Access in VirtualBox VMs on my laptop for a couple of > years with no problems. (Intel 2,4GB Core2 Duo, 4GM Ram, , 320GB partitioned into 22 > drives, Vista) > From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Sat Oct 1 16:19:45 2011 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Sun, 02 Oct 2011 07:19:45 +1000 Subject: [AccessD] Object or class does not support the set of events In-Reply-To: <4E87800D.2080005@colbyconsulting.com> References: <4E871AC3.60604@colbyconsulting.com>, <4E877E5E.30439.419E988@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>, <4E87800D.2080005@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <4E8783F1.24104.42FB002@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Doh, Typo - 2 Drives :-) -- Stuart On 1 Oct 2011 at 17:03, jwcolby wrote: > >320GB partitioned into 22 drives, Vista > > That's interesting. Is a drive per vm more efficient? > > John W. Colby > Colby Consulting > > On 10/1/2011 4:55 PM, Stuart McLachlan wrote: > > I've been running different versions of Access in VirtualBox VMs on > > my laptop for a couple of years with no problems. (Intel 2,4GB > > Core2 Duo, 4GM Ram, , 320GB partitioned into 22 drives, Vista) > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Sat Oct 1 22:21:02 2011 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Sat, 01 Oct 2011 23:21:02 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Object or class does not support the set of events In-Reply-To: <4E8783F1.24104.42FB002@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: <4E871AC3.60604@colbyconsulting.com>, <4E877E5E.30439.419E988@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>, <4E87800D.2080005@colbyconsulting.com> <4E8783F1.24104.42FB002@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <4E87D89E.700@colbyconsulting.com> You mean there aren't 22 different versions of office? ;) John W. Colby Colby Consulting On 10/1/2011 5:19 PM, Stuart McLachlan wrote: > Doh, > > Typo - 2 Drives :-) > From charlotte.foust at gmail.com Sat Oct 1 23:03:07 2011 From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust) Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2011 21:03:07 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Object or class does not support the set of events In-Reply-To: <4E87D89E.700@colbyconsulting.com> References: <4E871AC3.60604@colbyconsulting.com> <4E877E5E.30439.419E988@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <4E87800D.2080005@colbyconsulting.com> <4E8783F1.24104.42FB002@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <4E87D89E.700@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: No, John, those are sevice packs you're thinking of. LOL Charlotte Foust On Sat, Oct 1, 2011 at 8:21 PM, jwcolby wrote: > You mean there aren't 22 different versions of office? > > ;) > > John W. Colby > Colby Consulting > > On 10/1/2011 5:19 PM, Stuart McLachlan wrote: > >> Doh, >> >> Typo - 2 Drives :-) >> >> -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/accessd > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.**com > > > From vbacreations at gmail.com Sun Oct 2 02:02:09 2011 From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson) Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2011 03:02:09 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Object or class does not support the set of events In-Reply-To: <4E871AC3.60604@colbyconsulting.com> References: <4E871AC3.60604@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: Can you shut off uac? On Oct 1, 2011 9:52 AM, "jwcolby" wrote: > Holy cow man things just get worse and worse. > > In lookingup the error message in the subject I found something about having Access "run as > administrator". Somehow I found and set that and now *everything* is broken. As I open Access it > does the UAC thing (screen dims and asks if i want to allow the application to make changes), then > Access tries to open and gives me a "There was a problem sending the command to the program.", then > Access does in fact open. > > What have I done and how do I undo it? I cannot seem to find my back to where I set that property. > Will a restore point get rid of this crap? > > I have billing to get done and I am broken. I have spent two hours on just this stuff and I am now > further from a solution than when I started. > > @#$&*&*^&)(*_)(*)&*%&^#%$#!%*()&_)*_)*(!!!!! > > -- > John W. Colby > Colby Consulting > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From hans.andersen at phulse.com Sun Oct 2 05:26:06 2011 From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen) Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2011 03:26:06 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Object or class does not support the set of events In-Reply-To: References: <4E871AC3.60604@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <10CCBA04-1EA4-44F4-826B-4F0B392724CA@phulse.com> John, >> In looking up the error message in the subject I found something about having Access "run as administrator". Somehow I found and set that and now *everything* is broken. Assuming you are running Windows Vista or 7, most likely you set this under the properties of the Access application shortcut. Open your program shortcut. Here is an article describing the process: http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/magazine/ff431742.aspx Regarding KVMs, I love the idea, but in this modern day and age, I find it hard to justify purchasing a KVM that doesn't work over IP, which are really expensive (relative to their functionatlity) and they tend to try to charge ridiculous prices just for the connectors alone. Fortunately, I deal with Dell servers on a daily basis and they have a lovely (and surprisingly under-stated) remote management feature called DRAC, which lets you hook directly into the console via a java applet (loaded through a browser based administration page) over the network. I know other server vendors have such technology as well (ie. hp lights out), but the only HP proliant server we have lacks this feature (among others). Coupled with a solid VPN and you can administer your servers fairly reliably from anywhere in the world, not just from home. This assumes, however, that you have nice expensive servers :) > Can you shut off uac? You can, as in the link below, but I highly recommend that you consider the implications. First, there is of course a matter of security. But, also, in my experience, when Windows 7 works within administrator mode, it seems to load a different profile/settings. This might only be the case for some applications however, I don't know for certain. I had one experience where I installed an application that required admin rights to function, but I did not know it at the time. So, upon installing it and putting in the registration code, it then told me I had to run it as admin. When doing so, it completely forgot all my settings and even that I was registered to begin with. Unfortunately, the way the software was designed, it would only let you enter the reg key once, so when I entered it again, it said it was already taken, so I had to convince the company that I wasn't a freeloader in order to get them to release my key again. A very painful process, but it taught me one thing, which was that running apps as admin doesn't necessarily mean you are just running it as your user with escalated privileges. Also, turning off UAC doesn't mean that it changes the way UAC works. It just means that you don't get bothered by a pop up dialogue asking for confirmation anymore. http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/windows-vista/disable-user-account-control-uac-the-easy-way-on-windows-vista/ Good luck, - Hans On 2011-10-02, at 12:02 AM, William Benson wrote: > Can you shut off uac? > On Oct 1, 2011 9:52 AM, "jwcolby" wrote: >> Holy cow man things just get worse and worse. >> >> In lookingup the error message in the subject I found something about > having Access "run as >> administrator". Somehow I found and set that and now *everything* is > broken. As I open Access it >> does the UAC thing (screen dims and asks if i want to allow the > application to make changes), then >> Access tries to open and gives me a "There was a problem sending the > command to the program.", then >> Access does in fact open. >> >> What have I done and how do I undo it? I cannot seem to find my back to > where I set that property. >> Will a restore point get rid of this crap? >> >> I have billing to get done and I am broken. I have spent two hours on just > this stuff and I am now >> further from a solution than when I started. >> >> @#$&*&*^&)(*_)(*)&*%&^#%$#!%*()&_)*_)*(!!!!! >> >> -- >> John W. Colby >> Colby Consulting >> -- >> AccessD mailing list >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From tinanfields at torchlake.com Sun Oct 2 10:16:51 2011 From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields) Date: Sun, 02 Oct 2011 11:16:51 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Billing "Fully working" in 2010 In-Reply-To: References: <4E8737EE.6000805@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <4E888063.8030609@torchlake.com> Arthur, I get that. Figuring out ways to do what you have already done, but to do it better, probably comes with the intellectual territory you have. It's a fine thing to do. Keep on doing it. T Tina Norris Fields tinanfields at torchlake.com 231-322-2787 On 10/1/2011 2:25 PM, Arthur Fuller wrote: > I confess that I use a version of the TIme-Billing app that was a sample app > in Office 2007. I reshaped it to suit my needs and then have used it ever > since. It works excellenty for my meagre requirements -- single or > occasionally assistant developer, and dealing with several projects. and > allowing me to assign an hour to this task and and two hours to that task, > and print an invoice and send same to the client in question as a PDF file. > That's enough for me, and also for Revenue Canada, our equivalent of the > IRS. > > I needed to add a couple of columns to the sample app, and to modify the > queries and reports to reflect these new columns, but basically I changed > almost nothing in the sample app, and it works wonderfully for my modest > needs. I have not bothered to migrate it to SQL Server, since I am the only > user of this db, but I have migrated dozens of client dbs and it's a breeze > to go there. I back up the BE daily and why go further if the existing > solution works? > > Way back when, I believed the opposite: "If it works, break it, and think of > something better." Well, I don't have enough time remaining in my life to > continue upon this path. Younger souls may have the time and energy, but I'm > out of both. If it works, leave it alone! That's my current motto. > > You know what, I just lied. I cannot leave a well-bed baby alone. I have to > go back and tend to her. In terms of code, this means Refactoring, and even > if the client is not willing to pay, I can't help revisiting apps delivered > and accepted. I revisit them compulsively, and I look at the 20+lines of > code and think, couldn't this be 10 lines? And so on. I can't help it, even > though the last invoice to the given client might have been a year ago. I > return to the code and inspect it and think, "What an idiot > > On Sat, Oct 1, 2011 at 11:55 AM, jwcolbywrote: > >> I had to relink my views (SQL Server). It seems that I had not stored the >> password in the link or something. The tables were r/w but the views were >> ro. >> >> So it appears that 4 hours later I am able to use my billing app in 2010. >> It still gives the same error message in 2003. >> >> Unfortunately I use Outlook to send/receive email and it remains to be >> configured. or move to Blat or the likes. >> >> -- >> John W. Colby >> Colby Consulting >> -- >> AccessD mailing list >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/accessd >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.**com >> From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Sun Oct 2 10:22:54 2011 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Sun, 02 Oct 2011 11:22:54 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Object or class does not support the set of events In-Reply-To: References: <4E871AC3.60604@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <4E8881CE.2040909@colbyconsulting.com> I can but I would rather not. John W. Colby Colby Consulting On 10/2/2011 3:02 AM, William Benson wrote: > Can you shut off uac? > On Oct 1, 2011 9:52 AM, "jwcolby" wrote: >> Holy cow man things just get worse and worse. >> >> In lookingup the error message in the subject I found something about > having Access "run as >> administrator". Somehow I found and set that and now *everything* is > broken. As I open Access it >> does the UAC thing (screen dims and asks if i want to allow the > application to make changes), then >> Access tries to open and gives me a "There was a problem sending the > command to the program.", then >> Access does in fact open. >> >> What have I done and how do I undo it? I cannot seem to find my back to > where I set that property. >> Will a restore point get rid of this crap? >> >> I have billing to get done and I am broken. I have spent two hours on just > this stuff and I am now >> further from a solution than when I started. >> >> @#$&*&*^&)(*_)(*)&*%&^#%$#!%*()&_)*_)*(!!!!! >> >> -- >> John W. Colby >> Colby Consulting >> -- >> AccessD mailing list >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From tinanfields at torchlake.com Sun Oct 2 10:55:30 2011 From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields) Date: Sun, 02 Oct 2011 11:55:30 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Geek to Live: Secure your saved passwords in Firefox In-Reply-To: <4E863B87.4080302@colbyconsulting.com> References: <4E863B87.4080302@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <4E888972.2070800@torchlake.com> Aha! Next question is: How easy would it be for a hacker to get the Firefox saved passwords? T Tina Norris Fields tinanfields at torchlake.com 231-322-2787 On 9/30/2011 5:58 PM, jwcolby wrote: > http://lifehacker.com/154099/geek-to-live--secure-your-saved-passwords-in-firefox > > > jwcolby From tinanfields at torchlake.com Sun Oct 2 11:00:02 2011 From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields) Date: Sun, 02 Oct 2011 12:00:02 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Calculating mileage In-Reply-To: <4E81B916.70601@colbyconsulting.com> References: <4E81B916.70601@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <4E888A82.80905@torchlake.com> Well, I am obviously very old-fashioned. I keep a log in the car and record all my trips - everything. So, the record is already there. Only as I'm preparing the tax return do I enter the data into a spreadsheet so I can accurately calculate my personal and business miles. T Tina Norris Fields tinanfields at torchlake.com 231-322-2787 On 9/27/2011 7:52 AM, jwcolby wrote: > Before tax time I need to add a module to my inmate checkout to > calculate mileage for all legs of a trip with the inmates. The > database contains records of where we go - the midpoints points - with > addresses, but the database does not have my start / end point (home). > > 1) Home to prison > 2) Prison to first destination in the db > 3) First destination to second destination (if any) > 4) Second destination to third destination (if any) > 5) Last destination to prison > 6) Prison to home > > I thought I would try to use Microsoft Streets and trips to do the > mapping, though I am open to using Google Maps if there is a > programming interface available to the VBA language. > > I could of course manually enter the trips into Streets and trips, get > the mileage and build a table of all the "legs" that I have ever done > but that is error prone and forces me to do the whole thing manually. > Also this is in use by other people so it would be nice to build a > module that would also calculate their legs, which I certainly do not > want to do myself manually. > > If for tax purposes I just assume that we always start from home and > end at home I could use something like Streets and trips (which I > have) to calculate all of these legs for each trip and place them in a > table. At tax time I then have a mileage log for the IRS. > > I have never used Streets and Trips for this purpose. I do know that > it has an API and VBA available for it. If anyone uses it for this > purpose and has a library (or a function) written to do this that they > would share that would be great. Or a web or help resource for this. > > Thanks, > From tinanfields at torchlake.com Sun Oct 2 11:09:01 2011 From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields) Date: Sun, 02 Oct 2011 12:09:01 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Calculating mileage In-Reply-To: <4E830013.2020403@colbyconsulting.com> References: <4E81B916.70601@colbyconsulting.com> <000701cc7d6b$a78c1550$f6a43ff0$@com.au> <4E8287F3.2000201@colbyconsulting.com><002201cc7d8f$25cae130$7160a390$@com.au> <4E830013.2020403@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <4E888C9D.2080005@torchlake.com> Dear John, I love it! Do the records in your database have any connection at all to the odometer readings? (Probably not.) So, you need a way to calculate travel distances between physical addresses. I t would seem that a mapping program of some sort would provide the solution - just as Google Maps and MapQuest tell you how far it is from home to the VA hospital in Ann Arbor, for instance. It's not yet clear to me how to get your addresses out of the database and into the mapping program, but, there's got to be a way. Thanks for a great puzzle - don't know how much help I'm going to be in its solution, but I'm going to give it a solid effort. T Tina Norris Fields tinanfields at torchlake.com 231-322-2787 On 9/28/2011 7:08 AM, jwcolby wrote: > But... I have database records already in a database. This is not > about defining a solution for data that does not exist and I would > otherwise have to enter. This is about defining a solution for data > that I (and any other user) must enter into the database to use the > inmate pass program. > > *It is already in the database* > > This is about building a small program to do these calculations about > data that has and *is going to* accumulate in the course of doing > business. > > It appears that I am not able to get across to this list the fact that > the records already exist in a database. > > Forget that I am driving. *Just please forget that fact.* I never > said anything about actually driving these miles, being in a car or > anything else related to automobiles. > > Now... > > I have records in a database which have addresses in them. I need to > calculate driving distances between those addresses. > > Pleeeeeeaaaaaaase, I do not want nor do I need anything related to > logging miles driven in a car. > > I need a function which takes two addresses and hands back miles > between those points, actual miles that would be driven. > > BUT I AM NOT DRIVING THOSE MILES. The records are somehow just > magically (poof) appearing in a table! > > John W. Colby > www.ColbyConsulting.com > > On 9/27/2011 11:31 PM, Darryl Collins wrote: >> Can't add much value to your historical data issue John, but for your >> future >> records, well I guess it depends on how much effort and money you >> want to >> put into this. >> >> There are 'turnkey' solutions already out there for exactly this sort of >> reporting. These folks will report on miles / kilometres travelled >> and way >> much more for about $40 a month. >> >> <> >> >> It actually looks like a bit of over engineering for what you are >> after, but >> the concept is exactly what I am talking about. Let the GPS record the >> mileage for you and just download it to you PC. You might find the >> service >> above is worth the $40 per month for your needs. Dunno. Anyway, >> that seems >> a lot easier than stuffing around with tracking online maps etc >> >> Although the cheapest and best solution I would have thought was the one >> already suggested. Use a smart phone app, or better still, an old >> fashion >> paper log book. >> >> Cheers >> Darryl >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby >> Sent: Wednesday, 28 September 2011 12:36 PM >> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving >> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Calculating mileage >> >> > I would have thought a standard GPS unit would do this for you pretty >> much automatically >> >> Do what for me? A gps gets you from one place to another. I need >> code to >> calculate mileage between >> two points. >> >> I have a database of trips I have taken, hundreds of existing >> records. I >> need to calculate the >> mileage of those trips so that I can apply for a tax refund. >> >> Maybe I am missing something here. How is a a gps or a smart phone or a >> paper log going to help me >> get mileage calculations for existing and future data records in a >> database? >> >> John W. Colby >> www.ColbyConsulting.com >> >> On 9/27/2011 7:17 PM, Darryl Collins wrote: >>> I would have thought a standard GPS unit would do this for you >>> pretty much >>> automatically, although I have bugger all experience in this area. >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby >>> Sent: Tuesday, 27 September 2011 9:53 PM >>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving >>> Subject: [AccessD] Calculating mileage >>> >>> Before tax time I need to add a module to my inmate checkout to >>> calculate >>> mileage for all legs of a >>> trip with the inmates. The database contains records of where we go >>> - the >>> midpoints points - with >>> addresses, but the database does not have my start / end point (home). >>> >>> 1) Home to prison >>> 2) Prison to first destination in the db >>> 3) First destination to second destination (if any) >>> 4) Second destination to third destination (if any) >>> 5) Last destination to prison >>> 6) Prison to home >>> >>> I thought I would try to use Microsoft Streets and trips to do the >> mapping, >>> though I am open to >>> using Google Maps if there is a programming interface available to >>> the VBA >>> language. >>> >>> I could of course manually enter the trips into Streets and trips, >>> get the >>> mileage and build a table >>> of all the "legs" that I have ever done but that is error prone and >>> forces >>> me to do the whole thing >>> manually. Also this is in use by other people so it would be nice to >> build >>> a module that would also >>> calculate their legs, which I certainly do not want to do myself >>> manually. >>> >>> If for tax purposes I just assume that we always start from home and >>> end >> at >>> home I could use >>> something like Streets and trips (which I have) to calculate all of >>> these >>> legs for each trip and >>> place them in a table. At tax time I then have a mileage log for >>> the IRS. >>> >>> I have never used Streets and Trips for this purpose. I do know >>> that it >> has >>> an API and VBA >>> available for it. If anyone uses it for this purpose and has a library >> (or >>> a function) written to >>> do this that they would share that would be great. Or a web or help >>> resource for this. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Sun Oct 2 12:59:36 2011 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Sun, 02 Oct 2011 13:59:36 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Calculating mileage In-Reply-To: <4E888A82.80905@torchlake.com> References: <4E81B916.70601@colbyconsulting.com> <4E888A82.80905@torchlake.com> Message-ID: <4E88A688.1040302@colbyconsulting.com> And in your case, a widget that automatically entered a record in your cell phone as you leave your driveway would be super cool. John W. Colby Colby Consulting On 10/2/2011 12:00 PM, Tina Norris Fields wrote: > Well, I am obviously very old-fashioned. I keep a log in the car and record all my trips - > everything. So, the record is already there. Only as I'm preparing the tax return do I enter the > data into a spreadsheet so I can accurately calculate my personal and business miles. > T > > Tina Norris Fields > tinanfields at torchlake.com > 231-322-2787 > > > On 9/27/2011 7:52 AM, jwcolby wrote: >> Before tax time I need to add a module to my inmate checkout to calculate mileage for all legs of >> a trip with the inmates. The database contains records of where we go - the midpoints points - >> with addresses, but the database does not have my start / end point (home). >> >> 1) Home to prison >> 2) Prison to first destination in the db >> 3) First destination to second destination (if any) >> 4) Second destination to third destination (if any) >> 5) Last destination to prison >> 6) Prison to home >> >> I thought I would try to use Microsoft Streets and trips to do the mapping, though I am open to >> using Google Maps if there is a programming interface available to the VBA language. >> >> I could of course manually enter the trips into Streets and trips, get the mileage and build a >> table of all the "legs" that I have ever done but that is error prone and forces me to do the >> whole thing manually. Also this is in use by other people so it would be nice to build a module >> that would also calculate their legs, which I certainly do not want to do myself manually. >> >> If for tax purposes I just assume that we always start from home and end at home I could use >> something like Streets and trips (which I have) to calculate all of these legs for each trip and >> place them in a table. At tax time I then have a mileage log for the IRS. >> >> I have never used Streets and Trips for this purpose. I do know that it has an API and VBA >> available for it. If anyone uses it for this purpose and has a library (or a function) written to >> do this that they would share that would be great. Or a web or help resource for this. >> >> Thanks, >> From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Sun Oct 2 13:03:29 2011 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Sun, 02 Oct 2011 14:03:29 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Calculating mileage In-Reply-To: <4E888C9D.2080005@torchlake.com> References: <4E81B916.70601@colbyconsulting.com> <000701cc7d6b$a78c1550$f6a43ff0$@com.au> <4E8287F3.2000201@colbyconsulting.com><002201cc7d8f$25cae130$7160a390$@com.au> <4E830013.2020403@colbyconsulting.com> <4E888C9D.2080005@torchlake.com> Message-ID: <4E88A771.3010509@colbyconsulting.com> >Do the records in your database have any connection at all to the odometer readings? They would if I were to notice. The thing to remember is that the database is used by potentially many different people. I know where they live because they enter their address into the database. I know the prison address where they pick up the inmates. Everything after that is just "calc distance from A to B". > It's not yet clear to me how to get your addresses out of the database and into the mapping program, but, there's got to be a way. Microsoft's map program has VBA behind it and an API. I will be using that. John W. Colby Colby Consulting On 10/2/2011 12:09 PM, Tina Norris Fields wrote: > Dear John, > > I love it! Do the records in your database have any connection at all to the odometer readings? > (Probably not.) So, you need a way to calculate travel distances between physical addresses. I t > would seem that a mapping program of some sort would provide the solution - just as Google Maps and > MapQuest tell you how far it is from home to the VA hospital in Ann Arbor, for instance. > > It's not yet clear to me how to get your addresses out of the database and into the mapping program, > but, there's got to be a way. Thanks for a great puzzle - don't know how much help I'm going to be > in its solution, but I'm going to give it a solid effort. > > T > > Tina Norris Fields > tinanfields at torchlake.com > 231-322-2787 > > > On 9/28/2011 7:08 AM, jwcolby wrote: >> But... I have database records already in a database. This is not about defining a solution for >> data that does not exist and I would otherwise have to enter. This is about defining a solution >> for data that I (and any other user) must enter into the database to use the inmate pass program. >> >> *It is already in the database* >> >> This is about building a small program to do these calculations about data that has and *is going >> to* accumulate in the course of doing business. >> >> It appears that I am not able to get across to this list the fact that the records already exist >> in a database. >> >> Forget that I am driving. *Just please forget that fact.* I never said anything about actually >> driving these miles, being in a car or anything else related to automobiles. >> >> Now... >> >> I have records in a database which have addresses in them. I need to calculate driving distances >> between those addresses. >> >> Pleeeeeeaaaaaaase, I do not want nor do I need anything related to logging miles driven in a car. >> >> I need a function which takes two addresses and hands back miles between those points, actual >> miles that would be driven. >> >> BUT I AM NOT DRIVING THOSE MILES. The records are somehow just magically (poof) appearing in a table! >> >> John W. Colby >> www.ColbyConsulting.com >> >> On 9/27/2011 11:31 PM, Darryl Collins wrote: >>> Can't add much value to your historical data issue John, but for your future >>> records, well I guess it depends on how much effort and money you want to >>> put into this. >>> >>> There are 'turnkey' solutions already out there for exactly this sort of >>> reporting. These folks will report on miles / kilometres travelled and way >>> much more for about $40 a month. >>> >>> <> >>> >>> It actually looks like a bit of over engineering for what you are after, but >>> the concept is exactly what I am talking about. Let the GPS record the >>> mileage for you and just download it to you PC. You might find the service >>> above is worth the $40 per month for your needs. Dunno. Anyway, that seems >>> a lot easier than stuffing around with tracking online maps etc >>> >>> Although the cheapest and best solution I would have thought was the one >>> already suggested. Use a smart phone app, or better still, an old fashion >>> paper log book. >>> >>> Cheers >>> Darryl >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby >>> Sent: Wednesday, 28 September 2011 12:36 PM >>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving >>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Calculating mileage >>> >>> > I would have thought a standard GPS unit would do this for you pretty >>> much automatically >>> >>> Do what for me? A gps gets you from one place to another. I need code to >>> calculate mileage between >>> two points. >>> >>> I have a database of trips I have taken, hundreds of existing records. I >>> need to calculate the >>> mileage of those trips so that I can apply for a tax refund. >>> >>> Maybe I am missing something here. How is a a gps or a smart phone or a >>> paper log going to help me >>> get mileage calculations for existing and future data records in a database? >>> >>> John W. Colby >>> www.ColbyConsulting.com >>> >>> On 9/27/2011 7:17 PM, Darryl Collins wrote: >>>> I would have thought a standard GPS unit would do this for you pretty much >>>> automatically, although I have bugger all experience in this area. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >>>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby >>>> Sent: Tuesday, 27 September 2011 9:53 PM >>>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving >>>> Subject: [AccessD] Calculating mileage >>>> >>>> Before tax time I need to add a module to my inmate checkout to calculate >>>> mileage for all legs of a >>>> trip with the inmates. The database contains records of where we go - the >>>> midpoints points - with >>>> addresses, but the database does not have my start / end point (home). >>>> >>>> 1) Home to prison >>>> 2) Prison to first destination in the db >>>> 3) First destination to second destination (if any) >>>> 4) Second destination to third destination (if any) >>>> 5) Last destination to prison >>>> 6) Prison to home >>>> >>>> I thought I would try to use Microsoft Streets and trips to do the >>> mapping, >>>> though I am open to >>>> using Google Maps if there is a programming interface available to the VBA >>>> language. >>>> >>>> I could of course manually enter the trips into Streets and trips, get the >>>> mileage and build a table >>>> of all the "legs" that I have ever done but that is error prone and forces >>>> me to do the whole thing >>>> manually. Also this is in use by other people so it would be nice to >>> build >>>> a module that would also >>>> calculate their legs, which I certainly do not want to do myself manually. >>>> >>>> If for tax purposes I just assume that we always start from home and end >>> at >>>> home I could use >>>> something like Streets and trips (which I have) to calculate all of these >>>> legs for each trip and >>>> place them in a table. At tax time I then have a mileage log for the IRS. >>>> >>>> I have never used Streets and Trips for this purpose. I do know that it >>> has >>>> an API and VBA >>>> available for it. If anyone uses it for this purpose and has a library >>> (or >>>> a function) written to >>>> do this that they would share that would be great. Or a web or help >>>> resource for this. >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Sun Oct 2 13:06:47 2011 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Sun, 02 Oct 2011 14:06:47 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Geek to Live: Secure your saved passwords in Firefox In-Reply-To: <4E888972.2070800@torchlake.com> References: <4E863B87.4080302@colbyconsulting.com> <4E888972.2070800@torchlake.com> Message-ID: <4E88A837.5010105@colbyconsulting.com> Apparently Firefox encrypts them using a common encryption algorithm and a master password you supply. Then the first time that you go to a web page where you need to log in (and have a saved password), Firefox asks you for your master password. Using that it decrypts the passwords and supplies the username / password for that web page. I am using that now for firefox. Of course I also just switched to Chrome... John W. Colby Colby Consulting On 10/2/2011 11:55 AM, Tina Norris Fields wrote: > Aha! Next question is: How easy would it be for a hacker to get the Firefox saved passwords? > T > > Tina Norris Fields > tinanfields at torchlake.com > 231-322-2787 > > > On 9/30/2011 5:58 PM, jwcolby wrote: >> http://lifehacker.com/154099/geek-to-live--secure-your-saved-passwords-in-firefox >> >> jwcolby From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Sun Oct 2 16:04:03 2011 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Mon, 03 Oct 2011 07:04:03 +1000 Subject: [AccessD] Geek to Live: Secure your saved passwords in Firefox In-Reply-To: <4E88A837.5010105@colbyconsulting.com> References: <4E863B87.4080302@colbyconsulting.com>, <4E888972.2070800@torchlake.com>, <4E88A837.5010105@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <4E88D1C3.113.947AD5F@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> But I'd bet that the majority of people who have passwords saved in FF have never set a master passwod. -- Stuart On 2 Oct 2011 at 14:06, jwcolby wrote: > Apparently Firefox encrypts them using a common encryption algorithm > and a master password you supply. Then the first time that you go to > a web page where you need to log in (and have a saved password), > Firefox asks you for your master password. Using that it decrypts the > passwords and supplies the username / password for that web page. > > I am using that now for firefox. Of course I also just switched to > Chrome... > > John W. Colby > Colby Consulting > > On 10/2/2011 11:55 AM, Tina Norris Fields wrote: > > Aha! Next question is: How easy would it be for a hacker to get the > > Firefox saved passwords? T > > > > Tina Norris Fields > > tinanfields at torchlake.com > > 231-322-2787 > > > > > > On 9/30/2011 5:58 PM, jwcolby wrote: > >> http://lifehacker.com/154099/geek-to-live--secure-your-saved-passwo > >> rds-in-firefox > >> > >> jwcolby > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From steve at goodhall.info Sun Oct 2 16:12:39 2011 From: steve at goodhall.info (Steve Goodhall) Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2011 17:12:39 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Geek to Live: Secure your saved passwords in Firefox In-Reply-To: <4E88D1C3.113.947AD5F@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: <4E863B87.4080302@colbyconsulting.com>, <4E888972.2070800@torchlake.com>, <4E88A837.5010105@colbyconsulting.com> <4E88D1C3.113.947AD5F@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <02287c2b-d3ef-4bce-8f86-b0f15c45c5e2@blur> My cable company / ISP provides Norton security for free. It has a similar feature that I use. It doesn't give you a choice about the master password. Steve Goodhall, MSCS, PMP Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone -----Original message----- From: Stuart McLachlan To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Sent: Sun, Oct 2, 2011 21:05:27 GMT+00:00 Subject: Re: [AccessD] Geek to Live: Secure your saved passwords in Firefox But I'd bet that the majority of people who have passwords saved in FF have never set a master passwod. -- Stuart On 2 Oct 2011 at 14:06, jwcolby wrote: > Apparently Firefox encrypts them using a common encryption algorithm > and a master password you supply. Then the first time that you go to > a web page where you need to log in (and have a saved password), > Firefox asks you for your master password. Using that it decrypts the > passwords and supplies the username / password for that web page. > > I am using that now for firefox. Of course I also just switched to > Chrome... > > John W. Colby > Colby Consulting > > On 10/2/2011 11:55 AM, Tina Norris Fields wrote: > > Aha! Next question is: How easy would it be for a hacker to get the > > Firefox saved passwords? T > > > > Tina Norris Fields > > tinanfields at torchlake.com > > 231-322-2787 > > > > > > On 9/30/2011 5:58 PM, jwcolby wrote: > >> http://lifehacker.com/154099/geek-to-live--secure-your-saved-passwo > >> rds-in-firefox > >> > >> jwcolby > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Sun Oct 2 17:46:51 2011 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Sun, 02 Oct 2011 18:46:51 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Geek to Live: Secure your saved passwords in Firefox In-Reply-To: <4E88D1C3.113.947AD5F@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: <4E863B87.4080302@colbyconsulting.com>, <4E888972.2070800@torchlake.com>, <4E88A837.5010105@colbyconsulting.com> <4E88D1C3.113.947AD5F@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <4E88E9DB.1080000@colbyconsulting.com> I never had, which is why I posted here when I discovered it. John W. Colby Colby Consulting On 10/2/2011 5:04 PM, Stuart McLachlan wrote: > But I'd bet that the majority of people who have passwords saved in FF have never set a > master passwod. > From marksimms at verizon.net Sun Oct 2 23:22:34 2011 From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms) Date: Mon, 03 Oct 2011 00:22:34 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] 2001 Error - You cancelled the previous operation Message-ID: <000a01cc8184$13da1fb0$3b8e5f10$@net> After hours and hours of testing this, I came to the conclusion that unless I trap the vbKeyEscape in the KeyDown event handler, I am unable to add a new record to a form after an undo has occurred. I get this dreaded 2001 error which appears to be a misleading one. It appears that an UnDo condition throws the form into a tizzy-state. Any method of attempting to add a new record after an undo has occurred either with a RunCommand GotoRecord acNewrec directive or trying to do an AddNew and Bookmark ... all fail. When I kill the escape key, all is well..but of course, my users are mad.they cannot undo the record. Unless I'm missing something , this is definitely a bug, no ? From vbacreations at gmail.com Sun Oct 2 23:31:20 2011 From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson (VBACreations.Com)) Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2011 00:31:20 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] 2001 Error - You cancelled the previous operation In-Reply-To: <000a01cc8184$13da1fb0$3b8e5f10$@net> References: <000a01cc8184$13da1fb0$3b8e5f10$@net> Message-ID: <001201cc8185$4d32a560$e797f020$@gmail.com> I never let Access Add New, I always use unbound controls, and validate field by field, and then use SQL and refresh the form... and I don't have these problems ;-) -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Simms Sent: Monday, October 03, 2011 12:23 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: [AccessD] 2001 Error - You cancelled the previous operation After hours and hours of testing this, I came to the conclusion that unless I trap the vbKeyEscape in the KeyDown event handler, I am unable to add a new record to a form after an undo has occurred. I get this dreaded 2001 error which appears to be a misleading one. It appears that an UnDo condition throws the form into a tizzy-state. Any method of attempting to add a new record after an undo has occurred either with a RunCommand GotoRecord acNewrec directive or trying to do an AddNew and Bookmark ... all fail. When I kill the escape key, all is well..but of course, my users are mad.they cannot undo the record. Unless I'm missing something , this is definitely a bug, no ? -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Sun Oct 2 23:50:39 2011 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Mon, 03 Oct 2011 14:50:39 +1000 Subject: [AccessD] 2001 Error - You cancelled the previous operation In-Reply-To: <001201cc8185$4d32a560$e797f020$@gmail.com> References: <000a01cc8184$13da1fb0$3b8e5f10$@net>, <001201cc8185$4d32a560$e797f020$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4E893F1F.8706.AF2DF11@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> R,DFC -- Stuart On 3 Oct 2011 at 0:31, William Benson (VBACreations. wrote: > I never let Access Add New, I always use unbound controls, and > validate field by field, and then use SQL and refresh the form... and > I don't have these problems ;-) > From vbacreations at gmail.com Mon Oct 3 00:02:06 2011 From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson) Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2011 01:02:06 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] 2001 Error - You cancelled the previous operation In-Reply-To: <4E893F1F.8706.AF2DF11@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: <000a01cc8184$13da1fb0$3b8e5f10$@net> <001201cc8185$4d32a560$e797f020$@gmail.com> <4E893F1F.8706.AF2DF11@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: Registered Democrat for Clinton? What's that stand for? On Oct 3, 2011 12:52 AM, "Stuart McLachlan" wrote: > R,DFC > > -- > Stuart > > On 3 Oct 2011 at 0:31, William Benson (VBACreations. wrote: > >> I never let Access Add New, I always use unbound controls, and >> validate field by field, and then use SQL and refresh the form... and >> I don't have these problems ;-) >> > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au Mon Oct 3 00:13:18 2011 From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins) Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2011 16:13:18 +1100 Subject: [AccessD] 2001 Error - You cancelled the previous operation In-Reply-To: References: <000a01cc8184$13da1fb0$3b8e5f10$@net> <001201cc8185$4d32a560$e797f020$@gmail.com> <4E893F1F.8706.AF2DF11@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <003d01cc818b$2a166610$7e433230$@com.au> Heh, Getting late in the Day in PNG and probably hot too. I reckon Stuart has been drinking that special juice they whip up in that jungle! ;) Glad you asked, I was thinking the same thing! -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Benson Sent: Monday, 3 October 2011 4:02 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] 2001 Error - You cancelled the previous operation Registered Democrat for Clinton? What's that stand for? On Oct 3, 2011 12:52 AM, "Stuart McLachlan" wrote: > R,DFC > > -- > Stuart > > On 3 Oct 2011 at 0:31, William Benson (VBACreations. wrote: > >> I never let Access Add New, I always use unbound controls, and >> validate field by field, and then use SQL and refresh the form... and >> I don't have these problems ;-) >> > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From vbacreations at gmail.com Mon Oct 3 00:22:29 2011 From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson) Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2011 01:22:29 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] 2001 Error - You cancelled the previous operation In-Reply-To: <003d01cc818b$2a166610$7e433230$@com.au> References: <000a01cc8184$13da1fb0$3b8e5f10$@net> <001201cc8185$4d32a560$e797f020$@gmail.com> <4E893F1F.8706.AF2DF11@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <003d01cc818b$2a166610$7e433230$@com.au> Message-ID: The definition I got from urban dictionary is quite offensive so I hope it's not that. On Oct 3, 2011 1:14 AM, "Darryl Collins" wrote: > > Heh, Getting late in the Day in PNG and probably hot too. I reckon Stuart > has been drinking that special juice they whip up in that jungle! ;) > Glad you asked, I was thinking the same thing! > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Benson > Sent: Monday, 3 October 2011 4:02 PM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] 2001 Error - You cancelled the previous operation > > Registered Democrat for Clinton? What's that stand for? > On Oct 3, 2011 12:52 AM, "Stuart McLachlan" wrote: >> R,DFC >> >> -- >> Stuart >> >> On 3 Oct 2011 at 0:31, William Benson (VBACreations. wrote: >> >>> I never let Access Add New, I always use unbound controls, and >>> validate field by field, and then use SQL and refresh the form... and >>> I don't have these problems ;-) >>> >> >> >> -- >> AccessD mailing list >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Mon Oct 3 00:32:00 2011 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Mon, 03 Oct 2011 15:32:00 +1000 Subject: [AccessD] 2001 Error - You cancelled the previous operation In-Reply-To: References: <000a01cc8184$13da1fb0$3b8e5f10$@net>, <4E893F1F.8706.AF2DF11@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>, Message-ID: <4E8948D0.11458.B18B9C7@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Runs, ducking for cover. I'm not going to just sit around waiting for the "bounders" to stick their heads over the parapet :-) -- Stuart On 3 Oct 2011 at 1:02, William Benson wrote: > Registered Democrat for Clinton? What's that stand for? > On Oct 3, 2011 12:52 AM, "Stuart McLachlan" > wrote: > R,DFC > > -- > Stuart > > On 3 Oct 2011 at 0:31, William > Benson (VBACreations. wrote: > >> I never let Access Add New, I always > use unbound controls, and >> validate field by field, and then use SQL > and refresh the form... and >> I don't have these problems ;-) >> > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: > http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From vbacreations at gmail.com Mon Oct 3 00:51:59 2011 From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson) Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2011 01:51:59 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] 2001 Error - You cancelled the previous operation In-Reply-To: <4E8948D0.11458.B18B9C7@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: <000a01cc8184$13da1fb0$3b8e5f10$@net> <4E893F1F.8706.AF2DF11@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <4E8948D0.11458.B18B9C7@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: You think my post at this hour on a Sunday night wasn't strategic? It was only in jest, I mostly don't code for transaction based user activity I code for special functional requirements. On Oct 3, 2011 1:33 AM, "Stuart McLachlan" wrote: > Runs, ducking for cover. > > I'm not going to just sit around waiting for the "bounders" to stick their heads over the parapet > :-) > > -- > Stuart > > On 3 Oct 2011 at 1:02, William Benson wrote: > >> Registered Democrat for Clinton? What's that stand for? > > >> On Oct 3, 2011 12:52 AM, "Stuart McLachlan" >> wrote: > R,DFC > > -- > Stuart > > On 3 Oct 2011 at 0:31, William >> Benson (VBACreations. wrote: > >> I never let Access Add New, I always >> use unbound controls, and >> validate field by field, and then use SQL >> and refresh the form... and >> I don't have these problems ;-) >> > > >> > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: >> http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: >> http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au Mon Oct 3 00:52:45 2011 From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins) Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2011 16:52:45 +1100 Subject: [AccessD] 2001 Error - You cancelled the previous operation In-Reply-To: <4E8948D0.11458.B18B9C7@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: <000a01cc8184$13da1fb0$3b8e5f10$@net>, <4E893F1F.8706.AF2DF11@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>, <4E8948D0.11458.B18B9C7@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <003e01cc8190$acfa2490$06ee6db0$@com.au> HAHAHA, Yeah, great plan. Let's get stuck into them whilst they are all asleep!! Unbound rocks! Unbound is the best and we all know it ;) Aaah, tomorrow's inbox might be, ummm, interesting... Cheers Darryl. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan Sent: Monday, 3 October 2011 4:32 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] 2001 Error - You cancelled the previous operation Runs, ducking for cover. I'm not going to just sit around waiting for the "bounders" to stick their heads over the parapet :-) -- Stuart On 3 Oct 2011 at 1:02, William Benson wrote: > Registered Democrat for Clinton? What's that stand for? > On Oct 3, 2011 12:52 AM, "Stuart McLachlan" > wrote: > R,DFC > > -- > Stuart > > On 3 Oct 2011 at 0:31, William > Benson (VBACreations. wrote: > >> I never let Access Add New, I always > use unbound controls, and >> validate field by field, and then use SQL > and refresh the form... and >> I don't have these problems ;-) >> > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: > http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Mon Oct 3 00:59:09 2011 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Mon, 03 Oct 2011 15:59:09 +1000 Subject: [AccessD] 2001 Error - You cancelled the previous operation In-Reply-To: References: <000a01cc8184$13da1fb0$3b8e5f10$@net>, <4E8948D0.11458.B18B9C7@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>, Message-ID: <4E894F2D.30374.B31967F@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> It's late Monday afternoon for me and Darryl! -- Stuart On 3 Oct 2011 at 1:51, William Benson wrote: > You think my post at this hour on a Sunday night wasn't strategic? From adtp at airtelmail.in Mon Oct 3 06:40:02 2011 From: adtp at airtelmail.in (A.D. Tejpal) Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2011 17:10:02 +0530 Subject: [AccessD] 2001 Error - You cancelled the previous operation References: <000a01cc8184$13da1fb0$3b8e5f10$@net> Message-ID: <663E55F820A34BBE9D3860641594DD95@personal4a8ede> Mark, Could you please furnish the complete code in form's module? Best wishes, A.D. Tejpal ------------ ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark Simms To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Sent: Monday, October 03, 2011 09:52 Subject: [AccessD] 2001 Error - You cancelled the previous operation After hours and hours of testing this, I came to the conclusion that unless I trap the vbKeyEscape in the KeyDown event handler, I am unable to add a new record to a form after an undo has occurred. I get this dreaded 2001 error which appears to be a misleading one. It appears that an UnDo condition throws the form into a tizzy-state. Any method of attempting to add a new record after an undo has occurred either with a RunCommand GotoRecord acNewrec directive or trying to do an AddNew and Bookmark ... all fail. When I kill the escape key, all is well..but of course, my users are mad.they cannot undo the record. Unless I'm missing something , this is definitely a bug, no ? From jimdettman at verizon.net Mon Oct 3 08:04:43 2011 From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman) Date: Mon, 03 Oct 2011 09:04:43 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] 2001 Error - You cancelled the previous operation In-Reply-To: <001201cc8185$4d32a560$e797f020$@gmail.com> References: <000a01cc8184$13da1fb0$3b8e5f10$@net> <001201cc8185$4d32a560$e797f020$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <> Why are you bothering to use Access then? If your going to go through all that work, you might as well use something else that gives you more features and capabilities. Jim. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Benson (VBACreations.Com) Sent: Monday, October 03, 2011 12:31 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] 2001 Error - You cancelled the previous operation I never let Access Add New, I always use unbound controls, and validate field by field, and then use SQL and refresh the form... and I don't have these problems ;-) -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Simms Sent: Monday, October 03, 2011 12:23 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: [AccessD] 2001 Error - You cancelled the previous operation After hours and hours of testing this, I came to the conclusion that unless I trap the vbKeyEscape in the KeyDown event handler, I am unable to add a new record to a form after an undo has occurred. I get this dreaded 2001 error which appears to be a misleading one. It appears that an UnDo condition throws the form into a tizzy-state. Any method of attempting to add a new record after an undo has occurred either with a RunCommand GotoRecord acNewrec directive or trying to do an AddNew and Bookmark ... all fail. When I kill the escape key, all is well..but of course, my users are mad.they cannot undo the record. Unless I'm missing something , this is definitely a bug, no ? -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From DWUTKA at Marlow.com Mon Oct 3 10:02:56 2011 From: DWUTKA at Marlow.com (Drew Wutka) Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2011 10:02:56 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Object or class does not support the set of events In-Reply-To: <4E871AC3.60604@colbyconsulting.com> References: <4E871AC3.60604@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: John, there are several known causes of this issue. One in particular, in relation to Windows 7 and different versions of Access, is that Office 2003 is not being allowed to tweak some registry settings when it boots, after a different version was running. Someone already mentioned, with the system setups you have, you should just stick to one version of Office per machine, will make life easier.... Drew -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2011 8:51 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: [AccessD] Object or class does not support the set of events Holy cow man things just get worse and worse. In lookingup the error message in the subject I found something about having Access "run as administrator". Somehow I found and set that and now *everything* is broken. As I open Access it does the UAC thing (screen dims and asks if i want to allow the application to make changes), then Access tries to open and gives me a "There was a problem sending the command to the program.", then Access does in fact open. What have I done and how do I undo it? I cannot seem to find my back to where I set that property. Will a restore point get rid of this crap? I have billing to get done and I am broken. I have spent two hours on just this stuff and I am now further from a solution than when I started. @#$&*&*^&)(*_)(*)&*%&^#%$#!%*()&_)*_)*(!!!!! -- John W. Colby Colby Consulting -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com The information contained in this transmission is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain II-VI Proprietary and/or II-VI Business Sensitive material. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender immediately and destroy the material in its entirety, whether electronic or hard copy. You are notified that any review, retransmission, copying, disclosure, dissemination, or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. From DWUTKA at Marlow.com Mon Oct 3 10:07:54 2011 From: DWUTKA at Marlow.com (Drew Wutka) Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2011 10:07:54 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] The windows 7 upgrade experience In-Reply-To: <4E870973.3040301@colbyconsulting.com> References: <4E870973.3040301@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: There ya go! Way to stay cutting edge.... Windows 8 is almost out! ;) (Just ribbing ya a bit JWC) Drew -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2011 7:37 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: [AccessD] The windows 7 upgrade experience I moved my 3 year old Dell M90 laptop to Windows. I purchased the Seagate Momentus XT hybrid drive (it has an SSD cache) and did a clean install of Windows 7 and started the migration. So much fun. I also installed Office 2003 and then Office 2010. Now, even though 2003 is the default when I double click an access database, if I right click in a directory and tell it to create a new database, it creates an Access 2010 database. Does anyone know where that property is stored / changed? Windows is soooooo much fun. I have to say I like Windows 7 much better than Vista. I realize it is really just Vista Service Pack 57 but it still just seems to work better. And I really like the combination of the Seagate XT drive and Windows 7 (clean install). So far it is booting to the logon in just a few seconds and from there to a usable desktop in just a few more seconds. And yea, I know that it may not stay that way after installing / uninstalling a jillion things. But for today it feels like a brand new computer. jwcolby Colby Consulting -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com The information contained in this transmission is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain II-VI Proprietary and/or II-VI Business Sensitive material. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender immediately and destroy the material in its entirety, whether electronic or hard copy. You are notified that any review, retransmission, copying, disclosure, dissemination, or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Mon Oct 3 10:44:53 2011 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Mon, 03 Oct 2011 11:44:53 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] 2001 Error - You cancelled the previous operation In-Reply-To: References: <000a01cc8184$13da1fb0$3b8e5f10$@net> <001201cc8185$4d32a560$e797f020$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4E89D875.3010005@colbyconsulting.com> ROTFL. So true, like C#. John W. Colby Colby Consulting On 10/3/2011 9:04 AM, Jim Dettman wrote: > < field by field, and then use SQL and refresh the form...>> > > Why are you bothering to use Access then? If your going to go through all > that work, you might as well use something else that gives you more features > and capabilities. > > Jim. > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Benson > (VBACreations.Com) > Sent: Monday, October 03, 2011 12:31 AM > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > Subject: Re: [AccessD] 2001 Error - You cancelled the previous operation > > I never let Access Add New, I always use unbound controls, and validate > field by field, and then use SQL and refresh the form... and I don't have > these problems ;-) > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Simms > Sent: Monday, October 03, 2011 12:23 AM > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > Subject: [AccessD] 2001 Error - You cancelled the previous operation > > After hours and hours of testing this, I came to the conclusion that unless > I trap the vbKeyEscape in the KeyDown event handler, I am unable to add a > new record to a form after an undo has occurred. I get this dreaded 2001 > error which appears to be a misleading one. > > > > It appears that an UnDo condition throws the form into a tizzy-state. Any > method of attempting to add a new record after an undo has occurred either > with a RunCommand GotoRecord acNewrec directive or trying to do an AddNew > and Bookmark ... all fail. When I kill the escape key, all is well..but of > course, my users are mad.they cannot undo the record. > > > > Unless I'm missing something , this is definitely a bug, no ? > From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Mon Oct 3 10:50:18 2011 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Mon, 03 Oct 2011 11:50:18 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] The windows 7 upgrade experience In-Reply-To: References: <4E870973.3040301@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <4E89D9BA.4030602@colbyconsulting.com> > (Just ribbing ya a bit JWC) LOL. > There ya go! Way to stay cutting edge.... Windows 8 is almost out! ;) I read the other day "The end of an old technology is always way better than the beginning of a new technology" which is pretty much true. I am just getting in on the Windows 7 "end". It is service packed to death and running smoothly, and they will maintain it for many more years. It truly is (almost) an "XP experience" at this point. I actually kind of like it, whereas I hated Vista until the day I stopped using it. Just an FYI, this Seagate Momentus XT drive and Windows 7 is a wonderful experience so far. I had reached the point where I was seriously looking at replacing the laptop because it was so slow. Not any more! John W. Colby Colby Consulting On 10/3/2011 11:07 AM, Drew Wutka wrote: > There ya go! Way to stay cutting edge.... Windows 8 is almost out! ;) > > Drew From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Mon Oct 3 11:25:59 2011 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2011 09:25:59 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Delete Problem Message-ID: <384F09F2B2BC465E9C86D20DAF6D4C70@HAL9007> Dear List: I have a subform which has as its record source a query which joins an Account Receivable table to an account table: SELECT tblAccountsReceivable.fldARID, tblAccountsReceivable.fldAccountNumber, (*** bunch of other fields***) FROM tblAccountsReceivable LEFT JOIN tblAccounts ON tblAccountsReceivable.fldAccountNumber = tblAccounts.fldAccountNumber ORDER BY tblAccountsReceivable.fldARID; where Account Number is the PK of Accounts and the FK in AccountsReceivable. The subform is a continuous form showing the receivable records. When I select a record and hit the delete key the receivable record is deleted but also the Account from tblAccounts! I get the "You are about to delete..." warning message. No cascade delete. I can't understand why it would delete the account. The relationship in the query is one-to-many: one Account, many Accounts Receivable records. Any clues? I'm stumped. MTIA Rocky From dnod at aol.com Mon Oct 3 11:34:14 2011 From: dnod at aol.com (Dean) Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2011 12:34:14 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Delete Problem In-Reply-To: <384F09F2B2BC465E9C86D20DAF6D4C70@HAL9007> References: <384F09F2B2BC465E9C86D20DAF6D4C70@HAL9007> Message-ID: I think you may have answered your own question there. Your query is essentially a table of accounts, with the receivables pulled in. When you select a record to delete, you are selecting the account. I would rework that query, use the FK to to pull the account in as a lookup instead. Regards, Dean On Oct 3, 2011, at 12:25 PM, Rocky Smolin wrote: > Dear List: > > I have a subform which has as its record source a query which joins an > Account Receivable table to an account table: > > SELECT tblAccountsReceivable.fldARID, > tblAccountsReceivable.fldAccountNumber, (*** bunch of other fields***) FROM > tblAccountsReceivable LEFT JOIN tblAccounts ON > tblAccountsReceivable.fldAccountNumber = tblAccounts.fldAccountNumber > ORDER BY tblAccountsReceivable.fldARID; > > where Account Number is the PK of Accounts and the FK in AccountsReceivable. > > The subform is a continuous form showing the receivable records. When I > select a record and hit the delete key the receivable record is deleted but > also the Account from tblAccounts! > > I get the "You are about to delete..." warning message. > > No cascade delete. > > I can't understand why it would delete the account. The relationship in the > query is one-to-many: one Account, many Accounts Receivable records. > > Any clues? I'm stumped. > > MTIA > > Rocky > > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Mon Oct 3 11:45:00 2011 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2011 09:45:00 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Delete Problem In-Reply-To: References: <384F09F2B2BC465E9C86D20DAF6D4C70@HAL9007> Message-ID: <0843D0FBD16747CABAA4DD0E8C7908BF@HAL9007> Dean: Looks to me like it's a table of Accounts Receivable - the only field from tblAccounts I need is the account Name. No? fldName is the only field from tblAccounts in the query. Is there a way to rewrite the query so that it wouldn't delete the Account only the Receivable record? TIA Rocky -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dean Sent: Monday, October 03, 2011 9:34 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Delete Problem I think you may have answered your own question there. Your query is essentially a table of accounts, with the receivables pulled in. When you select a record to delete, you are selecting the account. I would rework that query, use the FK to to pull the account in as a lookup instead. Regards, Dean On Oct 3, 2011, at 12:25 PM, Rocky Smolin wrote: > Dear List: > > I have a subform which has as its record source a query which joins an > Account Receivable table to an account table: > > SELECT tblAccountsReceivable.fldARID, > tblAccountsReceivable.fldAccountNumber, (*** bunch of other fields***) > FROM tblAccountsReceivable LEFT JOIN tblAccounts ON > tblAccountsReceivable.fldAccountNumber = tblAccounts.fldAccountNumber > ORDER BY tblAccountsReceivable.fldARID; > > where Account Number is the PK of Accounts and the FK in AccountsReceivable. > > The subform is a continuous form showing the receivable records. When > I select a record and hit the delete key the receivable record is > deleted but also the Account from tblAccounts! > > I get the "You are about to delete..." warning message. > > No cascade delete. > > I can't understand why it would delete the account. The relationship > in the query is one-to-many: one Account, many Accounts Receivable records. > > Any clues? I'm stumped. > > MTIA > > Rocky > > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From dnod at aol.com Mon Oct 3 11:58:34 2011 From: dnod at aol.com (Dean) Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2011 12:58:34 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Delete Problem In-Reply-To: <0843D0FBD16747CABAA4DD0E8C7908BF@HAL9007> References: <384F09F2B2BC465E9C86D20DAF6D4C70@HAL9007> <0843D0FBD16747CABAA4DD0E8C7908BF@HAL9007> Message-ID: <1A87C5AF-D40D-4D0C-BB27-8CF4A19B9A1E@aol.com> well, pardon me for jumping to conclusions. on further inspections it is more like what I suggested than what I thought I saw. I assume you parent form has the accounts table PK. Are you sure you are initiating delete from the subform? You may be calling delete on the main form. I would trap that and disallow any uncontrolled processes by running all actions through the CBF. This way you provide your own, more meaningful warning message, verify and run an action query of your own. Regards, Dean On Oct 3, 2011, at 12:45 PM, Rocky Smolin wrote: > Dean: > > Looks to me like it's a table of Accounts Receivable - the only field from > tblAccounts I need is the account Name. No? fldName is the only field from > tblAccounts in the query. > > Is there a way to rewrite the query so that it wouldn't delete the Account > only the Receivable record? > > TIA > > Rocky > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dean > Sent: Monday, October 03, 2011 9:34 AM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Delete Problem > > I think you may have answered your own question there. Your query is > essentially a table of accounts, with the receivables pulled in. When you > select a record to delete, you are selecting the account. I would rework > that query, use the FK to to pull the account in as a lookup instead. > > Regards, Dean > > > On Oct 3, 2011, at 12:25 PM, Rocky Smolin wrote: > >> Dear List: >> >> I have a subform which has as its record source a query which joins an >> Account Receivable table to an account table: >> >> SELECT tblAccountsReceivable.fldARID, >> tblAccountsReceivable.fldAccountNumber, (*** bunch of other fields***) >> FROM tblAccountsReceivable LEFT JOIN tblAccounts ON >> tblAccountsReceivable.fldAccountNumber = tblAccounts.fldAccountNumber >> ORDER BY tblAccountsReceivable.fldARID; >> >> where Account Number is the PK of Accounts and the FK in > AccountsReceivable. >> >> The subform is a continuous form showing the receivable records. When >> I select a record and hit the delete key the receivable record is >> deleted but also the Account from tblAccounts! >> >> I get the "You are about to delete..." warning message. >> >> No cascade delete. >> >> I can't understand why it would delete the account. The relationship >> in the query is one-to-many: one Account, many Accounts Receivable > records. >> >> Any clues? I'm stumped. >> >> MTIA >> >> Rocky >> >> >> >> >> -- >> AccessD mailing list >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From marksimms at verizon.net Mon Oct 3 12:07:41 2011 From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms) Date: Mon, 03 Oct 2011 13:07:41 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] 2001 Error - You cancelled the previous operation In-Reply-To: <663E55F820A34BBE9D3860641594DD95@personal4a8ede> References: <000a01cc8184$13da1fb0$3b8e5f10$@net> <663E55F820A34BBE9D3860641594DD95@personal4a8ede> Message-ID: <009e01cc81ee$f67b5860$e3720920$@net> After sleeping on this (and I swear I solve all of my difficult problems this way).... The answer was obvious: Me.Requery right after the Undo. Heck, why was that ? Simple: There are few other form level methods to use anyway !! Is it a good solution: Absolutely not. I now have to remember the record number prior to the Add, and then navigate back to it. That being said, I still could not put the datasheet portion of the form back to it's original set of records as there is no way of insuring the first record in the scrolled list appears as #1 in the list. Instead, the remembered record number shows up as the first in the list. I need a Screen.Activesheet.FirstRecord settable property. All in all: It was definitely a bug.....tested in AC2010 - orig release, using a SplitForm. I'll bet it's still in AC2007-SP2. > Mark, > > Could you please furnish the complete code in form's module? > > Best wishes, > A.D. Tejpal From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Mon Oct 3 12:10:44 2011 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2011 10:10:44 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Delete Problem In-Reply-To: <1A87C5AF-D40D-4D0C-BB27-8CF4A19B9A1E@aol.com> References: <384F09F2B2BC465E9C86D20DAF6D4C70@HAL9007><0843D0FBD16747CABAA4DD0E8C7908BF@HAL9007> <1A87C5AF-D40D-4D0C-BB27-8CF4A19B9A1E@aol.com> Message-ID: Dean: Actually, the main form has no record source. It just holds the subform (among other things.). SO I am initiating the delete from the subform. So the accounts table is only in the record source of the subform. Regards, Rocky -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dean Sent: Monday, October 03, 2011 9:59 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Delete Problem well, pardon me for jumping to conclusions. on further inspections it is more like what I suggested than what I thought I saw. I assume you parent form has the accounts table PK. Are you sure you are initiating delete from the subform? You may be calling delete on the main form. I would trap that and disallow any uncontrolled processes by running all actions through the CBF. This way you provide your own, more meaningful warning message, verify and run an action query of your own. Regards, Dean On Oct 3, 2011, at 12:45 PM, Rocky Smolin wrote: > Dean: > > Looks to me like it's a table of Accounts Receivable - the only field > from tblAccounts I need is the account Name. No? fldName is the only > field from tblAccounts in the query. > > Is there a way to rewrite the query so that it wouldn't delete the > Account only the Receivable record? > > TIA > > Rocky > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dean > Sent: Monday, October 03, 2011 9:34 AM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Delete Problem > > I think you may have answered your own question there. Your query is > essentially a table of accounts, with the receivables pulled in. When > you select a record to delete, you are selecting the account. I would > rework that query, use the FK to to pull the account in as a lookup instead. > > Regards, Dean > > > On Oct 3, 2011, at 12:25 PM, Rocky Smolin wrote: > >> Dear List: >> >> I have a subform which has as its record source a query which joins >> an Account Receivable table to an account table: >> >> SELECT tblAccountsReceivable.fldARID, >> tblAccountsReceivable.fldAccountNumber, (*** bunch of other >> fields***) FROM tblAccountsReceivable LEFT JOIN tblAccounts ON >> tblAccountsReceivable.fldAccountNumber = tblAccounts.fldAccountNumber >> ORDER BY tblAccountsReceivable.fldARID; >> >> where Account Number is the PK of Accounts and the FK in > AccountsReceivable. >> >> The subform is a continuous form showing the receivable records. >> When I select a record and hit the delete key the receivable record >> is deleted but also the Account from tblAccounts! >> >> I get the "You are about to delete..." warning message. >> >> No cascade delete. >> >> I can't understand why it would delete the account. The relationship >> in the query is one-to-many: one Account, many Accounts Receivable > records. >> >> Any clues? I'm stumped. >> >> MTIA >> >> Rocky >> >> >> >> >> -- >> AccessD mailing list >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Mon Oct 3 12:21:32 2011 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2011 10:21:32 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Delete Problem In-Reply-To: References: <384F09F2B2BC465E9C86D20DAF6D4C70@HAL9007><0843D0FBD16747CABAA4DD0E8C7908BF@HAL9007><1A87C5AF-D40D-4D0C-BB27-8CF4A19B9A1E@aol.com> Message-ID: <557560D014D144479B9B64408999739A@HAL9007> OK, I worked around the problem by putting a delete button on the main form and using: Private Sub cmdDelete_Click() intReply = MsgBox("Are you certain you want to delete this Receivable record?", vbYesNo) If intReply = vbNo Then Exit Sub Set db = CurrentDb db.Execute "Delete * FROM tblAccountsReceivable WHERE fldARID = " & Me.subfrmAccountsReceivable!fldARID db.Close Me.subfrmAccountsReceivable.Requery End Sub And setting AllowDeletions on the subform to false But it's still a mystery. Rocky -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: Monday, October 03, 2011 10:11 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Delete Problem Dean: Actually, the main form has no record source. It just holds the subform (among other things.). SO I am initiating the delete from the subform. So the accounts table is only in the record source of the subform. Regards, Rocky -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dean Sent: Monday, October 03, 2011 9:59 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Delete Problem well, pardon me for jumping to conclusions. on further inspections it is more like what I suggested than what I thought I saw. I assume you parent form has the accounts table PK. Are you sure you are initiating delete from the subform? You may be calling delete on the main form. I would trap that and disallow any uncontrolled processes by running all actions through the CBF. This way you provide your own, more meaningful warning message, verify and run an action query of your own. Regards, Dean On Oct 3, 2011, at 12:45 PM, Rocky Smolin wrote: > Dean: > > Looks to me like it's a table of Accounts Receivable - the only field > from tblAccounts I need is the account Name. No? fldName is the only > field from tblAccounts in the query. > > Is there a way to rewrite the query so that it wouldn't delete the > Account only the Receivable record? > > TIA > > Rocky > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dean > Sent: Monday, October 03, 2011 9:34 AM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Delete Problem > > I think you may have answered your own question there. Your query is > essentially a table of accounts, with the receivables pulled in. When > you select a record to delete, you are selecting the account. I would > rework that query, use the FK to to pull the account in as a lookup instead. > > Regards, Dean > > > On Oct 3, 2011, at 12:25 PM, Rocky Smolin wrote: > >> Dear List: >> >> I have a subform which has as its record source a query which joins >> an Account Receivable table to an account table: >> >> SELECT tblAccountsReceivable.fldARID, >> tblAccountsReceivable.fldAccountNumber, (*** bunch of other >> fields***) FROM tblAccountsReceivable LEFT JOIN tblAccounts ON >> tblAccountsReceivable.fldAccountNumber = tblAccounts.fldAccountNumber >> ORDER BY tblAccountsReceivable.fldARID; >> >> where Account Number is the PK of Accounts and the FK in > AccountsReceivable. >> >> The subform is a continuous form showing the receivable records. >> When I select a record and hit the delete key the receivable record >> is deleted but also the Account from tblAccounts! >> >> I get the "You are about to delete..." warning message. >> >> No cascade delete. >> >> I can't understand why it would delete the account. The relationship >> in the query is one-to-many: one Account, many Accounts Receivable > records. >> >> Any clues? I'm stumped. >> >> MTIA >> >> Rocky >> >> >> >> >> -- >> AccessD mailing list >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From dnod at aol.com Mon Oct 3 12:22:32 2011 From: dnod at aol.com (Dean) Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2011 13:22:32 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Delete Problem In-Reply-To: References: <384F09F2B2BC465E9C86D20DAF6D4C70@HAL9007><0843D0FBD16747CABAA4DD0E8C7908BF@HAL9007> <1A87C5AF-D40D-4D0C-BB27-8CF4A19B9A1E@aol.com> Message-ID: If you do not have the PK for the accounts anywhere in the parent or the subform, I don't see how hitting the delete key would do it. You don't have any events running a procedure or macro? I am not a SQL statement expert, but that statement does not seem to me able to cause what you describe. I would double check the relationship settings, you said there are no cascade delete settings but that would surely fit. Check your event procedures on both forms. Is something being triggered that you were not expecting, or perhaps you mistakenly referenced the accounts table in code or macro. Regards, Dean On Oct 3, 2011, at 1:10 PM, Rocky Smolin wrote: > Dean: > > Actually, the main form has no record source. It just holds the subform > (among other things.). SO I am initiating the delete from the subform. So > the accounts table is only in the record source of the subform. > > Regards, Rocky > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dean > Sent: Monday, October 03, 2011 9:59 AM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Delete Problem > > well, pardon me for jumping to conclusions. on further inspections it is > more like what I suggested than what I thought I saw. > > I assume you parent form has the accounts table PK. > Are you sure you are initiating delete from the subform? You may be calling > delete on the main form. I would trap that and disallow any uncontrolled > processes by running all actions through the CBF. This way you provide your > own, more meaningful warning message, verify and run an action query of your > own. > > Regards, Dean > > > On Oct 3, 2011, at 12:45 PM, Rocky Smolin wrote: > >> Dean: >> >> Looks to me like it's a table of Accounts Receivable - the only field >> from tblAccounts I need is the account Name. No? fldName is the only >> field from tblAccounts in the query. >> >> Is there a way to rewrite the query so that it wouldn't delete the >> Account only the Receivable record? >> >> TIA >> >> Rocky >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dean >> Sent: Monday, October 03, 2011 9:34 AM >> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving >> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Delete Problem >> >> I think you may have answered your own question there. Your query is >> essentially a table of accounts, with the receivables pulled in. When >> you select a record to delete, you are selecting the account. I would >> rework that query, use the FK to to pull the account in as a lookup > instead. >> >> Regards, Dean >> >> >> On Oct 3, 2011, at 12:25 PM, Rocky Smolin wrote: >> >>> Dear List: >>> >>> I have a subform which has as its record source a query which joins >>> an Account Receivable table to an account table: >>> >>> SELECT tblAccountsReceivable.fldARID, >>> tblAccountsReceivable.fldAccountNumber, (*** bunch of other >>> fields***) FROM tblAccountsReceivable LEFT JOIN tblAccounts ON >>> tblAccountsReceivable.fldAccountNumber = tblAccounts.fldAccountNumber >>> ORDER BY tblAccountsReceivable.fldARID; >>> >>> where Account Number is the PK of Accounts and the FK in >> AccountsReceivable. >>> >>> The subform is a continuous form showing the receivable records. >>> When I select a record and hit the delete key the receivable record >>> is deleted but also the Account from tblAccounts! >>> >>> I get the "You are about to delete..." warning message. >>> >>> No cascade delete. >>> >>> I can't understand why it would delete the account. The relationship >>> in the query is one-to-many: one Account, many Accounts Receivable >> records. >>> >>> Any clues? I'm stumped. >>> >>> MTIA >>> >>> Rocky >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> AccessD mailing list >>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> >> -- >> AccessD mailing list >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> -- >> AccessD mailing list >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From dnod at aol.com Mon Oct 3 12:25:37 2011 From: dnod at aol.com (Dean) Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2011 13:25:37 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Delete Problem In-Reply-To: <557560D014D144479B9B64408999739A@HAL9007> References: <384F09F2B2BC465E9C86D20DAF6D4C70@HAL9007><0843D0FBD16747CABAA4DD0E8C7908BF@HAL9007><1A87C5AF-D40D-4D0C-BB27-8CF4A19B9A1E@aol.com> <557560D014D144479B9B64408999739A@HAL9007> Message-ID: I think that is better anyway. I try to limit all possible actions that way as a matter of course. Regards, Dean On Oct 3, 2011, at 1:21 PM, Rocky Smolin wrote: > OK, I worked around the problem by putting a delete button on the main form > and using: > > Private Sub cmdDelete_Click() > > intReply = MsgBox("Are you certain you want to delete this Receivable > record?", vbYesNo) > If intReply = vbNo Then Exit Sub > > Set db = CurrentDb > db.Execute "Delete * FROM tblAccountsReceivable WHERE fldARID = " & > Me.subfrmAccountsReceivable!fldARID > db.Close > Me.subfrmAccountsReceivable.Requery > > End Sub > > And setting AllowDeletions on the subform to false > > But it's still a mystery. > > > Rocky > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin > Sent: Monday, October 03, 2011 10:11 AM > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Delete Problem > > Dean: > > Actually, the main form has no record source. It just holds the subform > (among other things.). SO I am initiating the delete from the subform. So > the accounts table is only in the record source of the subform. > > Regards, Rocky > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dean > Sent: Monday, October 03, 2011 9:59 AM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Delete Problem > > well, pardon me for jumping to conclusions. on further inspections it is > more like what I suggested than what I thought I saw. > > I assume you parent form has the accounts table PK. > Are you sure you are initiating delete from the subform? You may be calling > delete on the main form. I would trap that and disallow any uncontrolled > processes by running all actions through the CBF. This way you provide your > own, more meaningful warning message, verify and run an action query of your > own. > > Regards, Dean > > > On Oct 3, 2011, at 12:45 PM, Rocky Smolin wrote: > >> Dean: >> >> Looks to me like it's a table of Accounts Receivable - the only field >> from tblAccounts I need is the account Name. No? fldName is the only >> field from tblAccounts in the query. >> >> Is there a way to rewrite the query so that it wouldn't delete the >> Account only the Receivable record? >> >> TIA >> >> Rocky >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dean >> Sent: Monday, October 03, 2011 9:34 AM >> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving >> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Delete Problem >> >> I think you may have answered your own question there. Your query is >> essentially a table of accounts, with the receivables pulled in. When >> you select a record to delete, you are selecting the account. I would >> rework that query, use the FK to to pull the account in as a lookup > instead. >> >> Regards, Dean >> >> >> On Oct 3, 2011, at 12:25 PM, Rocky Smolin wrote: >> >>> Dear List: >>> >>> I have a subform which has as its record source a query which joins >>> an Account Receivable table to an account table: >>> >>> SELECT tblAccountsReceivable.fldARID, >>> tblAccountsReceivable.fldAccountNumber, (*** bunch of other >>> fields***) FROM tblAccountsReceivable LEFT JOIN tblAccounts ON >>> tblAccountsReceivable.fldAccountNumber = tblAccounts.fldAccountNumber >>> ORDER BY tblAccountsReceivable.fldARID; >>> >>> where Account Number is the PK of Accounts and the FK in >> AccountsReceivable. >>> >>> The subform is a continuous form showing the receivable records. >>> When I select a record and hit the delete key the receivable record >>> is deleted but also the Account from tblAccounts! >>> >>> I get the "You are about to delete..." warning message. >>> >>> No cascade delete. >>> >>> I can't understand why it would delete the account. The relationship >>> in the query is one-to-many: one Account, many Accounts Receivable >> records. >>> >>> Any clues? I'm stumped. >>> >>> MTIA >>> >>> Rocky >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> AccessD mailing list >>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> >> -- >> AccessD mailing list >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> -- >> AccessD mailing list >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From vbacreations at gmail.com Mon Oct 3 14:20:49 2011 From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson (VBACreations.Com)) Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2011 15:20:49 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Optimizing query when select part requires a calculation Message-ID: <004b01cc8201$8fc0d7e0$af4287a0$@gmail.com> Optimizing a query that compares calculated result from each table. I have 2 tables Tbl1 and Tbl2, each with the same two columns [A] and [B]; I wanted to ask Access what values from the combination of these two fields exist in one but not the other. I used "|" as a separator. I want to know (1) Why method 1a and 1b are equivalent (2) Why Method 2 is not required (ie, why can I test either item for Null and it represents the combination is null, not the single field on its own) (3) Why Method 3 takes hundreds of times longer 'METHOD 1a SELECT [Tbl1].[A] & "|" & [Tbl1].[B] AS ResultX FROM Tbl1 LEFT JOIN Tbl2 ON (Tbl1.[B] = Tbl2.[B]) AND (Tbl1.[A] = Tbl2.[A]) WHERE Tbl2.A Is Null 'METHOD 1a SELECT [Tbl1].[A] & "|" & [Tbl1].[B] AS ResultX FROM Tbl1 LEFT JOIN Tbl2 ON (Tbl1.[B] = Tbl2.[B]) AND (Tbl1.[A] = Tbl2.[A]) WHERE Tbl2.B Is Null 'METHOD 2 SELECT [Tbl1].[A] & "|" & [Tbl1].[B] AS ResultX FROM Tbl1 LEFT JOIN Tbl2 ON (Tbl1.[B] = Tbl2.[B]) AND (Tbl1.[A] = Tbl2.[A]) WHERE (Tbl2.A Is Null OR Tbl2.B Is Null) <--- Testing both seems not necessary 'METHOD 3 Select [Tbl1].[A] & "|" & [Tbl1].[B] as ResultX >From [Tbl1] Where [Tbl1].[A] & "|" & [Tbl1].[B] Not IN (Select [Tbl2].[A] & "|" & [Tbl2].[B] as ResultY From [Tbl2]) From marksimms at verizon.net Mon Oct 3 15:47:45 2011 From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms) Date: Mon, 03 Oct 2011 16:47:45 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] 2001 Error - You cancelled the previous operation - THE FINAL WORD In-Reply-To: <009e01cc81ee$f67b5860$e3720920$@net> References: <000a01cc8184$13da1fb0$3b8e5f10$@net> <663E55F820A34BBE9D3860641594DD95@personal4a8ede> <009e01cc81ee$f67b5860$e3720920$@net> Message-ID: <002d01cc820d$b4c0ed30$1e42c790$@net> > All in all: It was definitely a bug.....tested in AC2010 - orig > release, > using a SplitForm. > I'll bet it's still in AC2007-SP2. What a story!! Ported the FE and BE to AC2007. However, I had a use a HEX EDITOR to make the 2010 BE compatible with AC2007. This is well documented: http://www.utteraccess.com/forum/print.html&client=printer&f=54&t=1948489 BTW: I used Winhex - greatly recommended. Strangely, on my first test in AC2007, I initially was getting a DIFFERENT ERROR MESSAGE. One related to disabling a control that had the focus. My GUI is complex and so that is a typical overlooked situation. I fixed that problem and of course the rest is history: No more 2001 errors - that was bogus. No need for Requery. Problem was totally and completely in AC2010 - an error condition occurred that was not trapped by "ON ERROR..." THAT'S IT. I cannot imagine what OTHER situations I am going to encounter in 2010. This could be scary. From jimdettman at verizon.net Mon Oct 3 16:31:24 2011 From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman) Date: Mon, 03 Oct 2011 17:31:24 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] 2001 Error - You cancelled the previous operation - THE FINAL WORD In-Reply-To: <002d01cc820d$b4c0ed30$1e42c790$@net> References: <000a01cc8184$13da1fb0$3b8e5f10$@net> <663E55F820A34BBE9D3860641594DD95@personal4a8ede> <009e01cc81ee$f67b5860$e3720920$@net> <002d01cc820d$b4c0ed30$1e42c790$@net> Message-ID: <85C3C754FE65449E948B7101BDC8739C@XPS> >From that other thread: "I've exported my 80 forms and reports using SaveAsText (programmatically) and then manually opened each text file and searched for "Empty"." EatBloat really missed the boat...would have been a real seller. Jim. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Simms Sent: Monday, October 03, 2011 04:48 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] 2001 Error - You cancelled the previous operation - THE FINAL WORD > All in all: It was definitely a bug.....tested in AC2010 - orig > release, > using a SplitForm. > I'll bet it's still in AC2007-SP2. What a story!! Ported the FE and BE to AC2007. However, I had a use a HEX EDITOR to make the 2010 BE compatible with AC2007. This is well documented: http://www.utteraccess.com/forum/print.html&client=printer&f=54&t=1948489 BTW: I used Winhex - greatly recommended. Strangely, on my first test in AC2007, I initially was getting a DIFFERENT ERROR MESSAGE. One related to disabling a control that had the focus. My GUI is complex and so that is a typical overlooked situation. I fixed that problem and of course the rest is history: No more 2001 errors - that was bogus. No need for Requery. Problem was totally and completely in AC2010 - an error condition occurred that was not trapped by "ON ERROR..." THAT'S IT. I cannot imagine what OTHER situations I am going to encounter in 2010. This could be scary. -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Mon Oct 3 17:12:00 2011 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2011 08:12:00 +1000 Subject: [AccessD] 2001 Error - You cancelled the previous operation - THE FINAL WORD In-Reply-To: <002d01cc820d$b4c0ed30$1e42c790$@net> References: <000a01cc8184$13da1fb0$3b8e5f10$@net>, <009e01cc81ee$f67b5860$e3720920$@net>, <002d01cc820d$b4c0ed30$1e42c790$@net> Message-ID: <4E8A3330.9759.EAC442D@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Hack an Access container folder to fool it into thinking it is a different version and all bets are off. You can't know all of the circumstances where those hacked bits are used in some sort of test. -- Stuart On 3 Oct 2011 at 16:47, Mark Simms wrote: > > All in all: It was definitely a bug.....tested in AC2010 - orig > > release, > > using a SplitForm. > > I'll bet it's still in AC2007-SP2. > > What a story!! Ported the FE and BE to AC2007. However, I had a use a HEX > EDITOR to make the 2010 BE compatible with AC2007. This is well documented: > http://www.utteraccess.com/forum/print.html&client=printer&f=54&t=1948489 > BTW: I used Winhex - greatly recommended. > > Strangely, on my first test in AC2007, I initially was getting a DIFFERENT > ERROR MESSAGE. > One related to disabling a control that had the focus. > My GUI is complex and so that is a typical overlooked situation. > I fixed that problem and of course the rest is history: > No more 2001 errors - that was bogus. No need for Requery. > > Problem was totally and completely in AC2010 - an error condition occurred > that was not trapped by "ON ERROR..." > THAT'S IT. I cannot imagine what OTHER situations I am going to encounter in > 2010. This could be scary. > From vbacreations at gmail.com Mon Oct 3 17:45:41 2011 From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson) Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2011 18:45:41 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] 2001 Error - You cancelled the previous operation - THE FINAL WORD In-Reply-To: <4E8A3330.9759.EAC442D@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: <000a01cc8184$13da1fb0$3b8e5f10$@net> <009e01cc81ee$f67b5860$e3720920$@net> <002d01cc820d$b4c0ed30$1e42c790$@net> <4E8A3330.9759.EAC442D@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: You guys need a separate LISTSERV where you discuss all the things not fit for mere mortals. On Oct 3, 2011 6:14 PM, "Stuart McLachlan" wrote: > Hack an Access container folder to fool it into thinking it is a different version and all bets are > off. You can't know all of the circumstances where those hacked bits are used in some sort > of test. > > -- > Stuart > > On 3 Oct 2011 at 16:47, Mark Simms wrote: > >> > All in all: It was definitely a bug.....tested in AC2010 - orig >> > release, >> > using a SplitForm. >> > I'll bet it's still in AC2007-SP2. >> >> What a story!! Ported the FE and BE to AC2007. However, I had a use a HEX >> EDITOR to make the 2010 BE compatible with AC2007. This is well documented: >> http://www.utteraccess.com/forum/print.html&client=printer&f=54&t=1948489 >> BTW: I used Winhex - greatly recommended. >> >> Strangely, on my first test in AC2007, I initially was getting a DIFFERENT >> ERROR MESSAGE. >> One related to disabling a control that had the focus. >> My GUI is complex and so that is a typical overlooked situation. >> I fixed that problem and of course the rest is history: >> No more 2001 errors - that was bogus. No need for Requery. >> >> Problem was totally and completely in AC2010 - an error condition occurred >> that was not trapped by "ON ERROR..." >> THAT'S IT. I cannot imagine what OTHER situations I am going to encounter in >> 2010. This could be scary. >> > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au Mon Oct 3 20:48:24 2011 From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins) Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2011 12:48:24 +1100 Subject: [AccessD] Update on W7 SP1 breaking ADO Message-ID: <001401cc8237$b4ac88c0$1e059a40$@com.au> Well, The story so far... In short. You can download a beta version of W8 which has this issue fully resolved (well, according to MS anyway, although the comments from others seem encouraging at least). They are in the crapper with this one and what to do with SP1 on W7. They are aware it is a major screw up which has impacted many high value customers big time and seem unclear on the best way to resolve it. Good news is for the first time there are hints of the fix being rolled out via a service pack, probably an updated SP1 as there is no release schedule for SP2 yet. Bad news is it seems to be scheduled for next year at the earliest. Given the issue first came to light around Jan 2011, it is hardly an stellar response from MS. They do admit it is a tricky and complex thing to fix, but you really would have thought this issue would have been indentified during pre-release testing. Frankly, downloading a beta version of W8 into a virtual environment is hardly a decent fix right now for most folks.... Anyway... Darryl Collins Whittle Consulting Pty Ltd Suite 8, 660 Canterbury Rd Surrey Hills, VIC, 3127 e: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au w: www.whittleconsulting.com.au From accessd at shaw.ca Mon Oct 3 23:52:52 2011 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2011 21:52:52 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Update on W7 SP1 breaking ADO In-Reply-To: <001401cc8237$b4ac88c0$1e059a40$@com.au> References: <001401cc8237$b4ac88c0$1e059a40$@com.au> Message-ID: <198F5DFD77EA41428D8309F917969D7C@creativesystemdesigns.com> Well, that,s good news...ADO is back. :-) (...but not until spring.) Jim -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darryl Collins Sent: Monday, October 03, 2011 6:48 PM To: 'Microsoft Excel Developers List'; 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: [AccessD] Update on W7 SP1 breaking ADO Well, The story so far... In short. You can download a beta version of W8 which has this issue fully resolved (well, according to MS anyway, although the comments from others seem encouraging at least). They are in the crapper with this one and what to do with SP1 on W7. They are aware it is a major screw up which has impacted many high value customers big time and seem unclear on the best way to resolve it. Good news is for the first time there are hints of the fix being rolled out via a service pack, probably an updated SP1 as there is no release schedule for SP2 yet. Bad news is it seems to be scheduled for next year at the earliest. Given the issue first came to light around Jan 2011, it is hardly an stellar response from MS. They do admit it is a tricky and complex thing to fix, but you really would have thought this issue would have been indentified during pre-release testing. Frankly, downloading a beta version of W8 into a virtual environment is hardly a decent fix right now for most folks.... Anyway... Darryl Collins Whittle Consulting Pty Ltd Suite 8, 660 Canterbury Rd Surrey Hills, VIC, 3127 e: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au w: www.whittleconsulting.com.au -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au Tue Oct 4 00:30:54 2011 From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins) Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2011 16:30:54 +1100 Subject: [AccessD] Update on W7 SP1 breaking ADO In-Reply-To: <198F5DFD77EA41428D8309F917969D7C@creativesystemdesigns.com> References: <001401cc8237$b4ac88c0$1e059a40$@com.au> <198F5DFD77EA41428D8309F917969D7C@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: <001a01cc8256$c9afc600$5d0f5200$@com.au> Hehehehe, yeah something like that. Just in time for MS to drop it altogether if the rumours are to be believed.... -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Tuesday, 4 October 2011 3:53 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Update on W7 SP1 breaking ADO Well, that,s good news...ADO is back. :-) (...but not until spring.) Jim -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darryl Collins Sent: Monday, October 03, 2011 6:48 PM To: 'Microsoft Excel Developers List'; 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: [AccessD] Update on W7 SP1 breaking ADO Well, The story so far... In short. You can download a beta version of W8 which has this issue fully resolved (well, according to MS anyway, although the comments from others seem encouraging at least). They are in the crapper with this one and what to do with SP1 on W7. They are aware it is a major screw up which has impacted many high value customers big time and seem unclear on the best way to resolve it. Good news is for the first time there are hints of the fix being rolled out via a service pack, probably an updated SP1 as there is no release schedule for SP2 yet. Bad news is it seems to be scheduled for next year at the earliest. Given the issue first came to light around Jan 2011, it is hardly an stellar response from MS. They do admit it is a tricky and complex thing to fix, but you really would have thought this issue would have been indentified during pre-release testing. Frankly, downloading a beta version of W8 into a virtual environment is hardly a decent fix right now for most folks.... Anyway... Darryl Collins Whittle Consulting Pty Ltd Suite 8, 660 Canterbury Rd Surrey Hills, VIC, 3127 e: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au w: www.whittleconsulting.com.au -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Tue Oct 4 08:12:55 2011 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2011 09:12:55 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Access 2010 how to Message-ID: <4E8B0657.7040500@colbyconsulting.com> I am forced to use Access 2010 and so I am lost. How do I see the widget (pane?) on the left with all the tables, forms, queries etc. I am in a view where all I see are the tables, and oh my goodness, I see every damned thing remotely associated with every table. I so don't care about all of that stuff, though it could be useful at times. I just need to see a list of all my forms, or all my modules, or all my reports. Help me please. (My daughter Allie says that, in a plaintive little voice). -- John W. Colby Colby Consulting From ssharkins at gmail.com Tue Oct 4 08:18:57 2011 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2011 09:18:57 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Access 2010 how to References: <4E8B0657.7040500@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <668004D429CB4E019872A047C01461AA@SusanHarkins> There's a dropdown list at the top of the Navigation Pain in the... Pane. Choose Object Type. Then, you can choose the specific type of object. Susan H. >I am forced to use Access 2010 and so I am lost. > > How do I see the widget (pane?) on the left with all the tables, forms, > queries etc. > > I am in a view where all I see are the tables, and oh my goodness, I see > every damned thing remotely associated with every table. I so don't care > about all of that stuff, though it could be useful at times. > > I just need to see a list of all my forms, or all my modules, or all my > reports. > > Help me please. (My daughter Allie says that, in a plaintive little > voice). From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Tue Oct 4 08:51:38 2011 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2011 09:51:38 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Crome and LogMeIn full screen mode Message-ID: <4E8B0F6A.4090800@colbyconsulting.com> Chrome does not work correctly with LogmeIn full screen mode. In Firefox it causes the browser to maximize and the Windows task bar to disappear as well as all of the firefox toolbars. In chrome something happens, i.e. the screen moves around but the task / toolbars remain. -- John W. Colby Colby Consulting From Gustav at cactus.dk Tue Oct 4 09:09:34 2011 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2011 16:09:34 +0200 Subject: [AccessD] Crome and LogMeIn full screen mode Message-ID: Hi John I believe IE is the only browser that works 100% with LogMeIn. /gustav >>> jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com 04-10-2011 15:51 >>> Chrome does not work correctly with LogmeIn full screen mode. In Firefox it causes the browser to maximize and the Windows task bar to disappear as well as all of the firefox toolbars. In chrome something happens, i.e. the screen moves around but the task / toolbars remain. -- John W. Colby Colby Consulting From edzedz at comcast.net Tue Oct 4 09:11:37 2011 From: edzedz at comcast.net (Edward Zuris) Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2011 08:11:37 -0600 Subject: [AccessD] Crome and LogMeIn full screen mode In-Reply-To: <4E8B0F6A.4090800@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <004801cc829f$87d73260$5bdea8c0@edz1> Speaking of logmein. If you did a logmein install through the Dos method. How do you uninstall it ? -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2011 7:52 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: [AccessD] Crome and LogMeIn full screen mode Chrome does not work correctly with LogmeIn full screen mode. In Firefox it causes the browser to maximize and the Windows task bar to disappear as well as all of the firefox toolbars. In chrome something happens, i.e. the screen moves around but the task / toolbars remain. -- John W. Colby Colby Consulting -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Tue Oct 4 09:13:35 2011 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2011 10:13:35 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Access 2010 how to In-Reply-To: <668004D429CB4E019872A047C01461AA@SusanHarkins> References: <4E8B0657.7040500@colbyconsulting.com> <668004D429CB4E019872A047C01461AA@SusanHarkins> Message-ID: <4E8B148F.9090503@colbyconsulting.com> Susan, Thanks for replying. I am seeing my database open for business, with a switchboard. At the top is a very small toolbar with the Access symbol, a floppy (how quaint!) etc. Below that is a tab with File / Home etc. Home is selected, apparently by default? Below that is a toolbar. Massive! Below that is a work area. On the left side is a pane with the work Custom in it and a drop down arrow in a circle plus the << for causing it to shrink Below that is a bar with "Unassigned objects" So which of these objects is the navigation pane? Or more appropriately - PAIN as you are calling it. ;) I do not see an ellipsis (...) anywhere visible. John W. Colby Colby Consulting On 10/4/2011 9:18 AM, Susan Harkins wrote: > There's a dropdown list at the top of the Navigation Pain in the... Pane. Choose Object Type. Then, > you can choose the specific type of object. > > Susan H. > > >> I am forced to use Access 2010 and so I am lost. >> >> How do I see the widget (pane?) on the left with all the tables, forms, queries etc. >> >> I am in a view where all I see are the tables, and oh my goodness, I see every damned thing >> remotely associated with every table. I so don't care about all of that stuff, though it could be >> useful at times. >> >> I just need to see a list of all my forms, or all my modules, or all my reports. >> >> Help me please. (My daughter Allie says that, in a plaintive little voice). > From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Tue Oct 4 09:15:57 2011 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2011 10:15:57 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Crome and LogMeIn full screen mode In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4E8B151D.9090800@colbyconsulting.com> I have been using Firefox exclusively for several years. Do you know what IE gives me that Firefox does not? I just gave up on IE back when it sucked so badly and Firefox gave me an alternative, and have never returned. John W. Colby Colby Consulting On 10/4/2011 10:09 AM, Gustav Brock wrote: > Hi John > > I believe IE is the only browser that works 100% with LogMeIn. > > /gustav > >>>> jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com 04-10-2011 15:51>>> > Chrome does not work correctly with LogmeIn full screen mode. In Firefox it causes the browser to > maximize and the Windows task bar to disappear as well as all of the firefox toolbars. In chrome > something happens, i.e. the screen moves around but the task / toolbars remain. > From marksimms at verizon.net Tue Oct 4 09:19:59 2011 From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms) Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2011 10:19:59 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Access 2010 how to In-Reply-To: <4E8B0657.7040500@colbyconsulting.com> References: <4E8B0657.7040500@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <007201cc82a0$b3b53fc0$1b1fbf40$@net> > I am forced to use Access 2010 Someone put a gun to your head ? ;) That being said, it sure is great for end-users, But because they modified VBA, the bugs are numerous and nasty. With SP1, you've got to decompile your VBA project daily....sometimes more. It's very obvious there was very little beta testing of this product by developers. From Gustav at cactus.dk Tue Oct 4 09:26:28 2011 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2011 16:26:28 +0200 Subject: [AccessD] Crome and LogMeIn full screen mode Message-ID: Hi John No, sorry, because I don't use Firefox. I use IE mostly and Chrome for some. Firefox, Safari, and Opera I never touch except for tests with Visual Studio. /gustav >>> jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com 04-10-2011 16:15 >>> I have been using Firefox exclusively for several years. Do you know what IE gives me that Firefox does not? I just gave up on IE back when it sucked so badly and Firefox gave me an alternative, and have never returned. John W. Colby Colby Consulting On 10/4/2011 10:09 AM, Gustav Brock wrote: > Hi John > > I believe IE is the only browser that works 100% with LogMeIn. > > /gustav > >>>> jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com 04-10-2011 15:51>>> > Chrome does not work correctly with LogmeIn full screen mode. In Firefox it causes the browser to > maximize and the Windows task bar to disappear as well as all of the firefox toolbars. In chrome > something happens, i.e. the screen moves around but the task / toolbars remain. From ssharkins at gmail.com Tue Oct 4 09:31:23 2011 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2011 10:31:23 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Access 2010 how to References: <4E8B0657.7040500@colbyconsulting.com><668004D429CB4E019872A047C01461AA@SusanHarkins> <4E8B148F.9090503@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <5957940A00384201B440CF6B639F169A@SusanHarkins> > At the top is a very small toolbar with the Access symbol, a floppy (how > quaint!) etc. ======That's the Quick Access Toolbar - very handy. :) > Below that is a tab with File / Home etc. Home is selected, apparently by > default? > Below that is a toolbar. Massive! > Below that is a work area. On the left side is a pane with the work > Custom in it and a drop down arrow in a circle plus the << for causing it > to shrink > Below that is a bar with "Unassigned objects" =======This is the Navigation Pane. There should be some kind of default or object type choice in that dropdown list. Susan H. From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Tue Oct 4 09:29:48 2011 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2011 10:29:48 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Access 2010 how to In-Reply-To: <007201cc82a0$b3b53fc0$1b1fbf40$@net> References: <4E8B0657.7040500@colbyconsulting.com> <007201cc82a0$b3b53fc0$1b1fbf40$@net> Message-ID: <4E8B185C.2060203@colbyconsulting.com> > Someone put a gun to your head ? ;) Kinda. I spent days moving to a new disk / windows 7 for my dev machine. I have a client that uses Office 2010 and I am installing it on my wife's machine because she works for that client. I installed Office 2003 and then decided "what the heck" and installed Office 2010 as well. One of my not so good decisions. I am still actively debating uninstalling it. My problem atm is that I am able to get into my billing program in 2010 but not under 2003. I suspect that is an issue with both installed but I am not certain of that. What if I uninstall and still can't get into my billing program in 2003? But you (and the pile of evidence before my eyes) has convinced me and I am now uninstalling Office 2010. I will run it in a VM for the client. And pray that I can get my billing application back when 2010 is gone. John W. Colby Colby Consulting On 10/4/2011 10:19 AM, Mark Simms wrote: >> I am forced to use Access 2010 > Someone put a gun to your head ? ;) > > That being said, it sure is great for end-users, > But because they modified VBA, the bugs are numerous and nasty. > With SP1, you've got to decompile your VBA project daily....sometimes more. > > It's very obvious there was very little beta testing of this product by > developers. > > From sturner at mseco.com Tue Oct 4 09:56:32 2011 From: sturner at mseco.com (Steve Turner) Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2011 09:56:32 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Access 2010 how to In-Reply-To: <4E8B148F.9090503@colbyconsulting.com> References: <4E8B0657.7040500@colbyconsulting.com><668004D429CB4E019872A047C01461AA@SusanHarkins> <4E8B148F.9090503@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: John, If you select the bar with the down arrow circle you should get a drop down with Navigate to Category. Select the Object Type and select the Bar again and it should show a grey bar Filter By Group that list's the Tables < Forms, Macro's etc. Select one of those and it takes you to those tabs. The best thing about Access 2010 is the work window now has tabs and you can have many things open at the same time and switch back and forth between the tab to see the data. Steve A. Turner Controller Mid-South Engineering Co. Inc E-Mail: sturner at mseco.com and saturner at mseco.com -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2011 9:14 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access 2010 how to Susan, Thanks for replying. I am seeing my database open for business, with a switchboard. At the top is a very small toolbar with the Access symbol, a floppy (how quaint!) etc. Below that is a tab with File / Home etc. Home is selected, apparently by default? Below that is a toolbar. Massive! Below that is a work area. On the left side is a pane with the work Custom in it and a drop down arrow in a circle plus the << for causing it to shrink Below that is a bar with "Unassigned objects" So which of these objects is the navigation pane? Or more appropriately - PAIN as you are calling it. ;) I do not see an ellipsis (...) anywhere visible. John W. Colby Colby Consulting On 10/4/2011 9:18 AM, Susan Harkins wrote: > There's a dropdown list at the top of the Navigation Pain in the... Pane. Choose Object Type. Then, > you can choose the specific type of object. > > Susan H. > > >> I am forced to use Access 2010 and so I am lost. >> >> How do I see the widget (pane?) on the left with all the tables, forms, queries etc. >> >> I am in a view where all I see are the tables, and oh my goodness, I see every damned thing >> remotely associated with every table. I so don't care about all of that stuff, though it could be >> useful at times. >> >> I just need to see a list of all my forms, or all my modules, or all my reports. >> >> Help me please. (My daughter Allie says that, in a plaintive little voice). > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From john at winhaven.net Tue Oct 4 10:22:10 2011 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2011 10:22:10 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Crome and LogMeIn full screen mode In-Reply-To: <4E8B0F6A.4090800@colbyconsulting.com> References: <4E8B0F6A.4090800@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <004601cc82a9$629de2a0$27d9a7e0$@winhaven.net> John, I use Logmein a lot. I use it with either IE or Firefox. I run into a lot more problems with Firefox, Chrome, Opera than IE. Firefox 7 gives me a "General Failure = Url" alert when I click on a hyperlink in Outlook. The hyperlink still opens but I have to click out of an annoying error message each time, and that gets old. I tend to have a lot of annoying little issues with Chrome which either other people don't run into or for some reason overlook (is it that the anti-MS sentiment is still pretty strong out there and people will put up with a lot to avoid using MS products?) I just never took to using Opera or Safari much. Opera seemed to have an update every time I opened it and Safari wasn't very good last time I gave it a chance. Both are probably worth another look as that was over a year ago. IE 9 is very fast compared to older versions. It is also a lot more robust and secure: http://askbobrankin.com/which_browser_is_the_most_secure.html I don't know if it is the fastest or the most secure but it seems to be the least PITA for me so for now IE is default again. John B -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2011 8:52 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: [AccessD] Crome and LogMeIn full screen mode Chrome does not work correctly with LogmeIn full screen mode. In Firefox it causes the browser to maximize and the Windows task bar to disappear as well as all of the firefox toolbars. In chrome something happens, i.e. the screen moves around but the task / toolbars remain. From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Tue Oct 4 10:23:39 2011 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2011 08:23:39 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Access 2010 how to In-Reply-To: References: <4E8B0657.7040500@colbyconsulting.com><668004D429CB4E019872A047C01461AA@SusanHarkins><4E8B148F.9090503@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <7E56D016A4B24C2CAF79B73262AB1DDD@HAL9007> Oh - soooo much better than 2003 (rolling eyes) which was way to simple and effective. Rocky -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Turner Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2011 7:57 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access 2010 how to John, If you select the bar with the down arrow circle you should get a drop down with Navigate to Category. Select the Object Type and select the Bar again and it should show a grey bar Filter By Group that list's the Tables < Forms, Macro's etc. Select one of those and it takes you to those tabs. The best thing about Access 2010 is the work window now has tabs and you can have many things open at the same time and switch back and forth between the tab to see the data. Steve A. Turner Controller Mid-South Engineering Co. Inc E-Mail: sturner at mseco.com and saturner at mseco.com -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2011 9:14 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access 2010 how to Susan, Thanks for replying. I am seeing my database open for business, with a switchboard. At the top is a very small toolbar with the Access symbol, a floppy (how quaint!) etc. Below that is a tab with File / Home etc. Home is selected, apparently by default? Below that is a toolbar. Massive! Below that is a work area. On the left side is a pane with the work Custom in it and a drop down arrow in a circle plus the << for causing it to shrink Below that is a bar with "Unassigned objects" So which of these objects is the navigation pane? Or more appropriately - PAIN as you are calling it. ;) I do not see an ellipsis (...) anywhere visible. John W. Colby Colby Consulting On 10/4/2011 9:18 AM, Susan Harkins wrote: > There's a dropdown list at the top of the Navigation Pain in the... Pane. Choose Object Type. Then, > you can choose the specific type of object. > > Susan H. > > >> I am forced to use Access 2010 and so I am lost. >> >> How do I see the widget (pane?) on the left with all the tables, forms, queries etc. >> >> I am in a view where all I see are the tables, and oh my goodness, I see every damned thing >> remotely associated with every table. I so don't care about all of that stuff, though it could be >> useful at times. >> >> I just need to see a list of all my forms, or all my modules, or all my reports. >> >> Help me please. (My daughter Allie says that, in a plaintive little voice). > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Tue Oct 4 10:35:27 2011 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2011 11:35:27 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Crome and LogMeIn full screen mode In-Reply-To: <004601cc82a9$629de2a0$27d9a7e0$@winhaven.net> References: <4E8B0F6A.4090800@colbyconsulting.com> <004601cc82a9$629de2a0$27d9a7e0$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: <4E8B27BF.5060207@colbyconsulting.com> >(is it that the anti-MS sentiment is still pretty strong out there and people will put up with a lot to avoid using MS products?) Hmmm... >Firefox 7 gives me a "General Failure = Url" alert when I click on a hyperlink in Outlook. And Outlook is a Microsoft product... and it doesn't work correctly in Firefox... As for me, I believe in going with the underdog whenever the main player plays unfairly, and equally importantly when the major player does not innovate because they don't have to. That is what competition does is up the ante so everyone has to innovate. Microsoft plays unfairly. Microsoft IE sucked and they just didn't care because IE owned the market place. Suddenly Firefox gave them competition and guess what? IE is back in the game. But if we all just go back to IE what do I think will happen? Intel / AMD is the same situation, and I stay with AMD because they are "good enough" and they force the marketplace to innovate. I know people who only care about their own experience and I guess that is OK, but they get their "better experience" on the backs of me and others willing to bear the burden. <\Rant> John W. Colby Colby Consulting On 10/4/2011 11:22 AM, John Bartow wrote: > John, > I use Logmein a lot. I use it with either IE or Firefox. > > I run into a lot more problems with Firefox, Chrome, Opera than IE. Firefox > 7 gives me a "General Failure = Url" alert when I click on a hyperlink in > Outlook. > The hyperlink still opens but I have to click out of an annoying error > message each time, and that gets old. I tend to have a lot of annoying > little issues with Chrome which either other people don't run into or for > some reason overlook (is it that the anti-MS sentiment is still pretty > strong out there and people will put up with a lot to avoid using MS > products?) I just never took to using Opera or Safari much. Opera seemed to > have an update every time I opened it and Safari wasn't very good last time > I gave it a chance. Both are probably worth another look as that was over a > year ago. > > IE 9 is very fast compared to older versions. It is also a lot more robust > and secure: > http://askbobrankin.com/which_browser_is_the_most_secure.html > > I don't know if it is the fastest or the most secure but it seems to be the > least PITA for me so for now IE is default again. > John B > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby > Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2011 8:52 AM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: [AccessD] Crome and LogMeIn full screen mode > > Chrome does not work correctly with LogmeIn full screen mode. In Firefox it > causes the browser to maximize and the Windows task bar to disappear as well > as all of the firefox toolbars. In chrome something happens, i.e. the > screen moves around but the task / toolbars remain. > From marksimms at verizon.net Tue Oct 4 10:55:14 2011 From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms) Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2011 11:55:14 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Crome and LogMeIn full screen mode In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <003901cc82ae$01f9f2e0$05edd8a0$@net> > I believe IE is the only browser that works 100% with LogMeIn. > > /gustav Running fine here with FF 7.0.1 That being said, the Logmein plugin appears to crash when Logmein times-out. A refresh solves the problem....so no biggie there. Also, some GUI related things like changing the caption on command buttons are sometimes difficult to do thru Logmein. Still, I'm really impressed with the product. From accessd at shaw.ca Tue Oct 4 11:20:06 2011 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2011 09:20:06 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Crome and LogMeIn full screen mode In-Reply-To: <4E8B0F6A.4090800@colbyconsulting.com> References: <4E8B0F6A.4090800@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <06BBA64A5DD74EA1A05B936C31154E70@creativesystemdesigns.com> That is strange John. I have many of my clients on LogMeIn and have never had such a re-action. Mind you, I have not set anyone up for a month so there may be some issues with the new version. TeamViewer is another excellent product and then in a pinch you can use UltraVNC (security is poor as the password size is limited but you can get creative with connection ports). You can use RDP and even old netmeeting, which has been shipped with every Windows since 98...just like ADO. ;-) Jim -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2011 6:52 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: [AccessD] Crome and LogMeIn full screen mode Chrome does not work correctly with LogmeIn full screen mode. In Firefox it causes the browser to maximize and the Windows task bar to disappear as well as all of the firefox toolbars. In chrome something happens, i.e. the screen moves around but the task / toolbars remain. -- John W. Colby Colby Consulting -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Tue Oct 4 11:34:24 2011 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2011 09:34:24 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Crome and LogMeIn full screen mode In-Reply-To: <004601cc82a9$629de2a0$27d9a7e0$@winhaven.net> References: <4E8B0F6A.4090800@colbyconsulting.com> <004601cc82a9$629de2a0$27d9a7e0$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: >From a designing point of view, I have been finding IE9 is a lot more compatible with the W3C standards. When tweaking a site, I have been able to use add subtle changes to the CSS scripts as opposed to writing a custom one for IE products...mind you, that is if I abandon support for IE6,7 and 8 and always have the latest version of JQuery loaded. In summary IE is definitely improving. Jim -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2011 8:22 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Crome and LogMeIn full screen mode John, I use Logmein a lot. I use it with either IE or Firefox. I run into a lot more problems with Firefox, Chrome, Opera than IE. Firefox 7 gives me a "General Failure = Url" alert when I click on a hyperlink in Outlook. The hyperlink still opens but I have to click out of an annoying error message each time, and that gets old. I tend to have a lot of annoying little issues with Chrome which either other people don't run into or for some reason overlook (is it that the anti-MS sentiment is still pretty strong out there and people will put up with a lot to avoid using MS products?) I just never took to using Opera or Safari much. Opera seemed to have an update every time I opened it and Safari wasn't very good last time I gave it a chance. Both are probably worth another look as that was over a year ago. IE 9 is very fast compared to older versions. It is also a lot more robust and secure: http://askbobrankin.com/which_browser_is_the_most_secure.html I don't know if it is the fastest or the most secure but it seems to be the least PITA for me so for now IE is default again. John B -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2011 8:52 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: [AccessD] Crome and LogMeIn full screen mode Chrome does not work correctly with LogmeIn full screen mode. In Firefox it causes the browser to maximize and the Windows task bar to disappear as well as all of the firefox toolbars. In chrome something happens, i.e. the screen moves around but the task / toolbars remain. -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From BradM at blackforestltd.com Tue Oct 4 13:23:11 2011 From: BradM at blackforestltd.com (Brad Marks) Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2011 13:23:11 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] OT - John Colby - volunteer work with Prisons - Minnesota Public Radio program References: <001401cc8237$b4ac88c0$1e059a40$@com.au> Message-ID: John, On several of your posts here on AccessD, you mentioned volunteer work that you help with involving prisoners. Yesterday, I caught the tail-end of a program on Minnesota Public Radio regarding a recent study that was conducted regarding the statistics of prisoners getting into trouble again after they are released. I believe that they said that the number 1 factor of whether a prisoner breaks the law or not after being released is the number of visitors that they had while in prison. (The more visitors they had while in prison, resulted in much fewer repeat offenders). Because of the high cost of incarcerating criminals, people who visit prisoners may be saving a lot of money for tax-payers and not even be aware of this factor. I will try to see if this program is on the MPR website. If I find it, I will email the link to you. Pretty interesting. Keep up the good work! Brad From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Tue Oct 4 14:07:16 2011 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2011 15:07:16 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] From Microsoft's help for migrating outlook... Message-ID: <4E8B5964.9010407@colbyconsulting.com> Note: Windows Easy Transfer is a Windows feature that enables you to copy files and settings from one computer to another. Some Outlook users experience corrupted Outlook profiles when using Windows Easy Transfer. The steps in this article don?t use Windows Easy Transfer. ;) -- John W. Colby Colby Consulting From charlotte.foust at gmail.com Tue Oct 4 14:51:12 2011 From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust) Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2011 12:51:12 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] From Microsoft's help for migrating outlook... In-Reply-To: <4E8B5964.9010407@colbyconsulting.com> References: <4E8B5964.9010407@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: Just about says it all Charlotte Foust On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 12:07 PM, jwcolby wrote: > > Note: Windows Easy Transfer is a Windows feature that enables you to > copy files and settings from one computer to another. Some Outlook users > experience corrupted Outlook profiles when using Windows Easy Transfer. The > steps in this article don?t use Windows Easy Transfer. > > ;) > > -- > John W. Colby > Colby Consulting > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/accessd > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.**com > > > From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Tue Oct 4 15:06:30 2011 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2011 16:06:30 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] OT - John Colby - volunteer work with Prisons - Minnesota Public Radio program In-Reply-To: References: <001401cc8237$b4ac88c0$1e059a40$@com.au> Message-ID: <4E8B6746.5080100@colbyconsulting.com> Brad, > Because of the high cost of incarcerating criminals, people who visit prisoners may be saving a lot of money for tax-payers and not even be aware of this factor. I have to tell you that a certain right wing political party who happens to control politics in the state of NC is slashing all spending on inmates, anything having to do with rehabilitation, and cold bloodedly expecting volunteers to pick up the costs. They attempted to cut every single chaplain position, managed to cut 1/2 of them, and will go after the remaining positions in the next budget. Cut funding for re-entry programs which attempt to help inmates acquire the skills to exist outside of prison. Basically their attitude is that it is not the government's business to help people. PERIOD. House knocked down by a tornado? Not My Problem. Floods in the northeast? NMP. Oil spill killing the gulf? NMP. Inmates handed $45 when they get out and pointed at the nearest store to rob? NMP. Well... unless I own the store of course... let me check... Nope, not my store, NMP. Unfortunately it is no longer the people's job to help people either. Well, I'm white so maybe I'll help the white folk. But not right now because there's a college football game on... Sigh. I take care of myself and my family. Maaaaaybe my mom, if she was nice to me and will put me in her will. Beyond that, if you are starving and have to die, please do so somewhere where I do not have to clean up the mess. Because of course it is not the government's business to clean up dead people either (and I ain't gonna do it!). ;) I can hear the snickers hitting poor John's inbox, ping, ping, ping... Oddly, the sound does my heart good! :):):) In the meantime, in about 2 hours I will be headed to the prison, because it is my problem. A self imposed problem perhaps, but mine none the less. ping, ping, ping. :) :) John W. Colby Colby Consulting On 10/4/2011 2:23 PM, Brad Marks wrote: > John, > > On several of your posts here on AccessD, you mentioned volunteer work > that you help with involving prisoners. > > Yesterday, I caught the tail-end of a program on Minnesota Public Radio > regarding a recent study that was conducted regarding the statistics of > prisoners getting into trouble again after they are released. I believe > that they said that the number 1 factor of whether a prisoner breaks the > law or not after being released is the number of visitors that they had > while in prison. (The more visitors they had while in prison, resulted > in much fewer repeat offenders). > > Because of the high cost of incarcerating criminals, people who visit > prisoners may be saving a lot of money for tax-payers and not even be > aware of this factor. > > I will try to see if this program is on the MPR website. If I find it, > I will email the link to you. Pretty interesting. > > Keep up the good work! > > Brad > > From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Tue Oct 4 15:09:54 2011 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2011 16:09:54 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] From Microsoft's help for migrating outlook... In-Reply-To: References: <4E8B5964.9010407@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <4E8B6812.2040909@colbyconsulting.com> > Just about says it all LOL, yea it does. This is one of the reasons I moved from Outlook to Thunderbird, MozBackup actually does all of this for you. And it just works. John W. Colby Colby Consulting On 10/4/2011 3:51 PM, Charlotte Foust wrote: > Just about says it all > Charlotte Foust > On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 12:07 PM, jwcolbywrote: > >> >> Note: Windows Easy Transfer is a Windows feature that enables you to >> copy files and settings from one computer to another. Some Outlook users >> experience corrupted Outlook profiles when using Windows Easy Transfer. The >> steps in this article don?t use Windows Easy Transfer. >> >> ;) >> >> -- >> John W. Colby >> Colby Consulting >> -- >> AccessD mailing list >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/accessd >> >> >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.**com >> >> >> From jimdettman at verizon.net Tue Oct 4 15:46:51 2011 From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman) Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2011 16:46:51 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] From Microsoft's help for migrating outlook... In-Reply-To: <4E8B5964.9010407@colbyconsulting.com> References: <4E8B5964.9010407@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <81D08DAA7470403986167BB2CA8D4359@XPS> DCOM can get seriously messed up as well. Jim. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2011 03:07 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: [AccessD] From Microsoft's help for migrating outlook... Note: Windows Easy Transfer is a Windows feature that enables you to copy files and settings from one computer to another. Some Outlook users experience corrupted Outlook profiles when using Windows Easy Transfer. The steps in this article don't use Windows Easy Transfer. ;) -- John W. Colby Colby Consulting -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From tinanfields at torchlake.com Tue Oct 4 15:47:17 2011 From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields) Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2011 16:47:17 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] OT - John Colby - volunteer work with Prisons -Minnesota Public Radio program In-Reply-To: <4E8B6746.5080100@colbyconsulting.com> References: <001401cc8237$b4ac88c0$1e059a40$@com.au> <4E8B6746.5080100@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <4E8B70D5.4060207@torchlake.com> John, I support what you are doing. It IS our problem! We DO have to help! We really are all in this together and we don't have another planet to move to. Keep on keeping on! T Tina Norris Fields tinanfields at torchlake.com 231-322-2787 On 10/4/2011 4:06 PM, jwcolby wrote: > Brad, > > > Because of the high cost of incarcerating criminals, people who > visit prisoners may be saving a lot of money for tax-payers and not > even be aware of this factor. > > I have to tell you that a certain right wing political party who > happens to control politics in the state of NC is slashing all > spending on inmates, anything having to do with rehabilitation, and > cold bloodedly expecting volunteers to pick up the costs. They > attempted to cut every single chaplain position, managed to cut 1/2 of > them, and will go after the remaining positions in the next budget. > Cut funding for re-entry programs which attempt to help inmates > acquire the skills to exist outside of prison. > > Basically their attitude is that it is not the government's business > to help people. PERIOD. > > House knocked down by a tornado? Not My Problem. Floods in the > northeast? NMP. Oil spill killing the gulf? NMP. Inmates handed > $45 when they get out and pointed at the nearest store to rob? NMP. > Well... unless I own the store of course... let me check... Nope, > not my store, NMP. > > Unfortunately it is no longer the people's job to help people either. > Well, I'm white so maybe I'll help the white folk. But not right now > because there's a college football game on... > > Sigh. > > I take care of myself and my family. Maaaaaybe my mom, if she was > nice to me and will put me in her will. Beyond that, if you are > starving and have to die, please do so somewhere where I do not have > to clean up the mess. Because of course it is not the government's > business to clean up dead people either (and I ain't gonna do it!). ;) > > I can hear the snickers hitting poor John's inbox, ping, ping, > ping... Oddly, the sound does my heart good! :):):) > > In the meantime, in about 2 hours I will be headed to the prison, > because it is my problem. A self imposed problem perhaps, but mine > none the less. > > ping, ping, ping. :) > > :) > > John W. Colby > Colby Consulting > > On 10/4/2011 2:23 PM, Brad Marks wrote: >> John, >> >> On several of your posts here on AccessD, you mentioned volunteer work >> that you help with involving prisoners. >> >> Yesterday, I caught the tail-end of a program on Minnesota Public Radio >> regarding a recent study that was conducted regarding the statistics of >> prisoners getting into trouble again after they are released. I believe >> that they said that the number 1 factor of whether a prisoner breaks the >> law or not after being released is the number of visitors that they had >> while in prison. (The more visitors they had while in prison, resulted >> in much fewer repeat offenders). >> >> Because of the high cost of incarcerating criminals, people who visit >> prisoners may be saving a lot of money for tax-payers and not even be >> aware of this factor. >> >> I will try to see if this program is on the MPR website. If I find it, >> I will email the link to you. Pretty interesting. >> >> Keep up the good work! >> >> Brad >> >> From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Tue Oct 4 15:52:10 2011 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2011 16:52:10 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] OT - John Colby - volunteer work with Prisons -Minnesota Public Radio program In-Reply-To: <4E8B70D5.4060207@torchlake.com> References: <001401cc8237$b4ac88c0$1e059a40$@com.au> <4E8B6746.5080100@colbyconsulting.com> <4E8B70D5.4060207@torchlake.com> Message-ID: <4E8B71FA.3040604@colbyconsulting.com> :) Nothing whatsoever to do with my attitude today but I watched Wall-e with my son last night. What a cute movie! John W. Colby Colby Consulting On 10/4/2011 4:47 PM, Tina Norris Fields wrote: > John, > I support what you are doing. It IS our problem! We DO have to help! We really are all in this > together and we don't have another planet to move to. > Keep on keeping on! > T > > Tina Norris Fields > tinanfields at torchlake.com > 231-322-2787 > > > On 10/4/2011 4:06 PM, jwcolby wrote: >> Brad, >> >> > Because of the high cost of incarcerating criminals, people who visit prisoners may be saving a >> lot of money for tax-payers and not even be aware of this factor. >> >> I have to tell you that a certain right wing political party who happens to control politics in >> the state of NC is slashing all spending on inmates, anything having to do with rehabilitation, >> and cold bloodedly expecting volunteers to pick up the costs. They attempted to cut every single >> chaplain position, managed to cut 1/2 of them, and will go after the remaining positions in the >> next budget. Cut funding for re-entry programs which attempt to help inmates acquire the skills to >> exist outside of prison. >> >> Basically their attitude is that it is not the government's business to help people. PERIOD. >> >> House knocked down by a tornado? Not My Problem. Floods in the northeast? NMP. Oil spill killing >> the gulf? NMP. Inmates handed $45 when they get out and pointed at the nearest store to rob? NMP. >> Well... unless I own the store of course... let me check... Nope, not my store, NMP. >> >> Unfortunately it is no longer the people's job to help people either. Well, I'm white so maybe >> I'll help the white folk. But not right now because there's a college football game on... >> >> Sigh. >> >> I take care of myself and my family. Maaaaaybe my mom, if she was nice to me and will put me in >> her will. Beyond that, if you are starving and have to die, please do so somewhere where I do not >> have to clean up the mess. Because of course it is not the government's business to clean up dead >> people either (and I ain't gonna do it!). ;) >> >> I can hear the snickers hitting poor John's inbox, ping, ping, ping... Oddly, the sound does my >> heart good! :):):) >> >> In the meantime, in about 2 hours I will be headed to the prison, because it is my problem. A self >> imposed problem perhaps, but mine none the less. >> >> ping, ping, ping. :) >> >> :) >> >> John W. Colby >> Colby Consulting >> >> On 10/4/2011 2:23 PM, Brad Marks wrote: >>> John, >>> >>> On several of your posts here on AccessD, you mentioned volunteer work >>> that you help with involving prisoners. >>> >>> Yesterday, I caught the tail-end of a program on Minnesota Public Radio >>> regarding a recent study that was conducted regarding the statistics of >>> prisoners getting into trouble again after they are released. I believe >>> that they said that the number 1 factor of whether a prisoner breaks the >>> law or not after being released is the number of visitors that they had >>> while in prison. (The more visitors they had while in prison, resulted >>> in much fewer repeat offenders). >>> >>> Because of the high cost of incarcerating criminals, people who visit >>> prisoners may be saving a lot of money for tax-payers and not even be >>> aware of this factor. >>> >>> I will try to see if this program is on the MPR website. If I find it, >>> I will email the link to you. Pretty interesting. >>> >>> Keep up the good work! >>> >>> Brad >>> >>> From df.waters at comcast.net Tue Oct 4 16:17:09 2011 From: df.waters at comcast.net (Dan Waters) Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2011 16:17:09 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] OT - John Colby - volunteer work with Prisons - Minnesota Public Radio program In-Reply-To: <4E8B6746.5080100@colbyconsulting.com> References: <001401cc8237$b4ac88c0$1e059a40$@com.au> <4E8B6746.5080100@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <001501cc82da$fa541e80$eefc5b80$@comcast.net> John- some of this will change in the next election. Unfortunately, too many people need to learn things the hard way. And learning that voting carefully, not emotionally, is actually important. Politics is not a reality TV show - it's real people really getting hurt. Dan -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2011 3:07 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT - John Colby - volunteer work with Prisons - Minnesota Public Radio program Brad, > Because of the high cost of incarcerating criminals, people who visit prisoners may be saving a lot of money for tax-payers and not even be aware of this factor. I have to tell you that a certain right wing political party who happens to control politics in the state of NC is slashing all spending on inmates, anything having to do with rehabilitation, and cold bloodedly expecting volunteers to pick up the costs. They attempted to cut every single chaplain position, managed to cut 1/2 of them, and will go after the remaining positions in the next budget. Cut funding for re-entry programs which attempt to help inmates acquire the skills to exist outside of prison. Basically their attitude is that it is not the government's business to help people. PERIOD. House knocked down by a tornado? Not My Problem. Floods in the northeast? NMP. Oil spill killing the gulf? NMP. Inmates handed $45 when they get out and pointed at the nearest store to rob? NMP. Well... unless I own the store of course... let me check... Nope, not my store, NMP. Unfortunately it is no longer the people's job to help people either. Well, I'm white so maybe I'll help the white folk. But not right now because there's a college football game on... Sigh. I take care of myself and my family. Maaaaaybe my mom, if she was nice to me and will put me in her will. Beyond that, if you are starving and have to die, please do so somewhere where I do not have to clean up the mess. Because of course it is not the government's business to clean up dead people either (and I ain't gonna do it!). ;) I can hear the snickers hitting poor John's inbox, ping, ping, ping... Oddly, the sound does my heart good! :):):) In the meantime, in about 2 hours I will be headed to the prison, because it is my problem. A self imposed problem perhaps, but mine none the less. ping, ping, ping. :) :) John W. Colby Colby Consulting On 10/4/2011 2:23 PM, Brad Marks wrote: > John, > > On several of your posts here on AccessD, you mentioned volunteer work > that you help with involving prisoners. > > Yesterday, I caught the tail-end of a program on Minnesota Public > Radio regarding a recent study that was conducted regarding the > statistics of prisoners getting into trouble again after they are > released. I believe that they said that the number 1 factor of > whether a prisoner breaks the law or not after being released is the > number of visitors that they had while in prison. (The more visitors > they had while in prison, resulted in much fewer repeat offenders). > > Because of the high cost of incarcerating criminals, people who visit > prisoners may be saving a lot of money for tax-payers and not even be > aware of this factor. > > I will try to see if this program is on the MPR website. If I find > it, I will email the link to you. Pretty interesting. > > Keep up the good work! > > Brad > > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au Tue Oct 4 17:18:25 2011 From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins) Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2011 09:18:25 +1100 Subject: [AccessD] Access 2010 how to In-Reply-To: <4E8B0657.7040500@colbyconsulting.com> References: <4E8B0657.7040500@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <000901cc82e3$89b37b90$9d1a72b0$@com.au> Good Luck John, I have been using it for a while now and there are still many 'features' I loathe, although a couple of other things are a big improvement. That said the Nav Pain needs to be completely scrapped and redesigned from scratch. What a stupid idea that was! Cheers Darryl -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: Wednesday, 5 October 2011 12:13 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: [AccessD] Access 2010 how to I am forced to use Access 2010 and so I am lost. How do I see the widget (pane?) on the left with all the tables, forms, queries etc. I am in a view where all I see are the tables, and oh my goodness, I see every damned thing remotely associated with every table. I so don't care about all of that stuff, though it could be useful at times. I just need to see a list of all my forms, or all my modules, or all my reports. Help me please. (My daughter Allie says that, in a plaintive little voice). -- John W. Colby Colby Consulting -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au Tue Oct 4 17:23:15 2011 From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins) Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2011 09:23:15 +1100 Subject: [AccessD] Access 2010 how to In-Reply-To: <20111005002317.gePF1h00j0xgD8Z01ePHXd@bne3-0003mz.server-mail.com> References: <4E8B0657.7040500@colbyconsulting.com> <20111005002317.gePF1h00j0xgD8Z01ePHXd@bne3-0003mz.server-mail.com> Message-ID: <000a01cc82e4$363e51f0$a2baf5d0$@com.au> " It's very obvious there was very little beta testing of this product by developers." Now this is one of the finest summations of Access 2007/2010 I have read. You are totally correct, the product often looks, acts and feels like it is still a beta version. If you are just using Access as a giant spreadsheet it is generally ok, but actually developing stuff on it is another story - at least that has been my experience. The Nav Pane is a giant leap backwards - sure it has some new functionality, but those feature could have been added to the older style layout which is far more useful to use. Cheers Darryl. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Simms Sent: Wednesday, 5 October 2011 1:20 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access 2010 how to > I am forced to use Access 2010 Someone put a gun to your head ? ;) That being said, it sure is great for end-users, But because they modified VBA, the bugs are numerous and nasty. With SP1, you've got to decompile your VBA project daily....sometimes more. It's very obvious there was very little beta testing of this product by developers. -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au Tue Oct 4 17:24:48 2011 From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins) Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2011 09:24:48 +1100 Subject: [AccessD] Crome and LogMeIn full screen mode In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000b01cc82e4$6dade8d0$4909ba70$@com.au> I use LogMeIn and Firefox without bother all the time. You need the special addin to make it work, but FF and LMI detects it is missing and prompts you to load it. Never had any issue with FF and LMI running together. I have not tried it on LMI Pro though - maybe that makes a difference? -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: Wednesday, 5 October 2011 1:26 AM To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [AccessD] Crome and LogMeIn full screen mode Hi John No, sorry, because I don't use Firefox. I use IE mostly and Chrome for some. Firefox, Safari, and Opera I never touch except for tests with Visual Studio. /gustav >>> jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com 04-10-2011 16:15 >>> I have been using Firefox exclusively for several years. Do you know what IE gives me that Firefox does not? I just gave up on IE back when it sucked so badly and Firefox gave me an alternative, and have never returned. John W. Colby Colby Consulting On 10/4/2011 10:09 AM, Gustav Brock wrote: > Hi John > > I believe IE is the only browser that works 100% with LogMeIn. > > /gustav > >>>> jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com 04-10-2011 15:51>>> > Chrome does not work correctly with LogmeIn full screen mode. In Firefox it causes the browser to > maximize and the Windows task bar to disappear as well as all of the firefox toolbars. In chrome > something happens, i.e. the screen moves around but the task / toolbars remain. -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Tue Oct 4 17:32:48 2011 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2011 18:32:48 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Crome and LogMeIn full screen mode In-Reply-To: <000b01cc82e4$6dade8d0$4909ba70$@com.au> References: <000b01cc82e4$6dade8d0$4909ba70$@com.au> Message-ID: <4E8B8990.306@colbyconsulting.com> > I use LogMeIn and Firefox without bother all the time. You need the special addin to make it work, but FF and LMI detects it is missing and prompts you to load it. As do I. It seems to work just fine. John W. Colby Colby Consulting On 10/4/2011 6:24 PM, Darryl Collins wrote: > I use LogMeIn and Firefox without bother all the time. You need the special > addin to make it work, but FF and LMI detects it is missing and prompts you > to load it. Never had any issue with FF and LMI running together. I have > not tried it on LMI Pro though - maybe that makes a difference? > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock > Sent: Wednesday, 5 October 2011 1:26 AM > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Crome and LogMeIn full screen mode > > Hi John > > No, sorry, because I don't use Firefox. > I use IE mostly and Chrome for some. Firefox, Safari, and Opera I never > touch except for tests with Visual Studio. > > /gustav > > >>>> jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com 04-10-2011 16:15>>> > I have been using Firefox exclusively for several years. Do you know what > IE gives me that Firefox > does not? I just gave up on IE back when it sucked so badly and Firefox > gave me an alternative, and > have never returned. > > John W. Colby > Colby Consulting > > On 10/4/2011 10:09 AM, Gustav Brock wrote: >> Hi John >> >> I believe IE is the only browser that works 100% with LogMeIn. >> >> /gustav >> >>>>> jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com 04-10-2011 15:51>>> >> Chrome does not work correctly with LogmeIn full screen mode. In Firefox > it causes the browser to >> maximize and the Windows task bar to disappear as well as all of the > firefox toolbars. In chrome >> something happens, i.e. the screen moves around but the task / toolbars > remain. > > From marksimms at verizon.net Tue Oct 4 17:56:27 2011 From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms) Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2011 18:56:27 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Crome and LogMeIn full screen mode In-Reply-To: <000b01cc82e4$6dade8d0$4909ba70$@com.au> References: <000b01cc82e4$6dade8d0$4909ba70$@com.au> Message-ID: <008901cc82e8$d9bf7ad0$8d3e7070$@net> Maybe. I am running the pro edition to get the file manager feature. > not tried it on LMI Pro though - maybe that makes a difference? > From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Tue Oct 4 20:51:48 2011 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2011 21:51:48 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Access 2010 how to In-Reply-To: <000901cc82e3$89b37b90$9d1a72b0$@com.au> References: <4E8B0657.7040500@colbyconsulting.com> <000901cc82e3$89b37b90$9d1a72b0$@com.au> Message-ID: <4E8BB834.2080603@colbyconsulting.com> As it turns out it uninstalled nicely. And my billing program worked flawlessly (in 2003) after it was gone. I'm happy again. John W. Colby Colby Consulting On 10/4/2011 6:18 PM, Darryl Collins wrote: > Good Luck John, > > I have been using it for a while now and there are still many 'features' I > loathe, although a couple of other things are a big improvement. That said > the Nav Pain needs to be completely scrapped and redesigned from scratch. > What a stupid idea that was! > > Cheers > Darryl > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby > Sent: Wednesday, 5 October 2011 12:13 AM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: [AccessD] Access 2010 how to > > I am forced to use Access 2010 and so I am lost. > > How do I see the widget (pane?) on the left with all the tables, forms, > queries etc. > > I am in a view where all I see are the tables, and oh my goodness, I see > every damned thing remotely > associated with every table. I so don't care about all of that stuff, > though it could be useful at > times. > > I just need to see a list of all my forms, or all my modules, or all my > reports. > > Help me please. (My daughter Allie says that, in a plaintive little voice). > From accessd at shaw.ca Wed Oct 5 03:46:53 2011 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2011 01:46:53 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] OT - John Colby - volunteer work with Prisons - Minnesota Public Radio program In-Reply-To: <4E8B6746.5080100@colbyconsulting.com> References: <001401cc8237$b4ac88c0$1e059a40$@com.au> <4E8B6746.5080100@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: You are a good man John. Jim -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2011 1:07 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT - John Colby - volunteer work with Prisons - Minnesota Public Radio program Brad, > Because of the high cost of incarcerating criminals, people who visit prisoners may be saving a lot of money for tax-payers and not even be aware of this factor. I have to tell you that a certain right wing political party who happens to control politics in the state of NC is slashing all spending on inmates, anything having to do with rehabilitation, and cold bloodedly expecting volunteers to pick up the costs. They attempted to cut every single chaplain position, managed to cut 1/2 of them, and will go after the remaining positions in the next budget. Cut funding for re-entry programs which attempt to help inmates acquire the skills to exist outside of prison. Basically their attitude is that it is not the government's business to help people. PERIOD. House knocked down by a tornado? Not My Problem. Floods in the northeast? NMP. Oil spill killing the gulf? NMP. Inmates handed $45 when they get out and pointed at the nearest store to rob? NMP. Well... unless I own the store of course... let me check... Nope, not my store, NMP. Unfortunately it is no longer the people's job to help people either. Well, I'm white so maybe I'll help the white folk. But not right now because there's a college football game on... Sigh. I take care of myself and my family. Maaaaaybe my mom, if she was nice to me and will put me in her will. Beyond that, if you are starving and have to die, please do so somewhere where I do not have to clean up the mess. Because of course it is not the government's business to clean up dead people either (and I ain't gonna do it!). ;) I can hear the snickers hitting poor John's inbox, ping, ping, ping... Oddly, the sound does my heart good! :):):) In the meantime, in about 2 hours I will be headed to the prison, because it is my problem. A self imposed problem perhaps, but mine none the less. ping, ping, ping. :) :) John W. Colby Colby Consulting On 10/4/2011 2:23 PM, Brad Marks wrote: > John, > > On several of your posts here on AccessD, you mentioned volunteer work > that you help with involving prisoners. > > Yesterday, I caught the tail-end of a program on Minnesota Public Radio > regarding a recent study that was conducted regarding the statistics of > prisoners getting into trouble again after they are released. I believe > that they said that the number 1 factor of whether a prisoner breaks the > law or not after being released is the number of visitors that they had > while in prison. (The more visitors they had while in prison, resulted > in much fewer repeat offenders). > > Because of the high cost of incarcerating criminals, people who visit > prisoners may be saving a lot of money for tax-payers and not even be > aware of this factor. > > I will try to see if this program is on the MPR website. If I find it, > I will email the link to you. Pretty interesting. > > Keep up the good work! > > Brad > > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Lambert.Heenan at chartisinsurance.com Wed Oct 5 08:35:21 2011 From: Lambert.Heenan at chartisinsurance.com (Heenan, Lambert) Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2011 09:35:21 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] OT - John Colby - volunteer work with Prisons - Minnesota Public Radio program In-Reply-To: <4E8B6746.5080100@colbyconsulting.com> References: <001401cc8237$b4ac88c0$1e059a40$@com.au> <4E8B6746.5080100@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: This is one ping from me John that says you are 110% correct. The rethuglicans only want more money for their business backers. OT I know, but heck it needs to be said on every available occasion. A "middle class" vote for the GOP is a shot in the voter's own foot. Lambert -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2011 4:07 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT - John Colby - volunteer work with Prisons - Minnesota Public Radio program Brad, > Because of the high cost of incarcerating criminals, people who visit prisoners may be saving a lot of money for tax-payers and not even be aware of this factor. I have to tell you that a certain right wing political party who happens to control politics in the state of NC is slashing all spending on inmates, anything having to do with rehabilitation, and cold bloodedly expecting volunteers to pick up the costs. They attempted to cut every single chaplain position, managed to cut 1/2 of them, and will go after the remaining positions in the next budget. Cut funding for re-entry programs which attempt to help inmates acquire the skills to exist outside of prison. Basically their attitude is that it is not the government's business to help people. PERIOD. House knocked down by a tornado? Not My Problem. Floods in the northeast? NMP. Oil spill killing the gulf? NMP. Inmates handed $45 when they get out and pointed at the nearest store to rob? NMP. Well... unless I own the store of course... let me check... Nope, not my store, NMP. Unfortunately it is no longer the people's job to help people either. Well, I'm white so maybe I'll help the white folk. But not right now because there's a college football game on... Sigh. I take care of myself and my family. Maaaaaybe my mom, if she was nice to me and will put me in her will. Beyond that, if you are starving and have to die, please do so somewhere where I do not have to clean up the mess. Because of course it is not the government's business to clean up dead people either (and I ain't gonna do it!). ;) I can hear the snickers hitting poor John's inbox, ping, ping, ping... Oddly, the sound does my heart good! :):):) In the meantime, in about 2 hours I will be headed to the prison, because it is my problem. A self imposed problem perhaps, but mine none the less. ping, ping, ping. :) :) John W. Colby Colby Consulting On 10/4/2011 2:23 PM, Brad Marks wrote: > John, > > On several of your posts here on AccessD, you mentioned volunteer work > that you help with involving prisoners. > > Yesterday, I caught the tail-end of a program on Minnesota Public > Radio regarding a recent study that was conducted regarding the > statistics of prisoners getting into trouble again after they are > released. I believe that they said that the number 1 factor of > whether a prisoner breaks the law or not after being released is the > number of visitors that they had while in prison. (The more visitors > they had while in prison, resulted in much fewer repeat offenders). > > Because of the high cost of incarcerating criminals, people who visit > prisoners may be saving a lot of money for tax-payers and not even be > aware of this factor. > > I will try to see if this program is on the MPR website. If I find > it, I will email the link to you. Pretty interesting. > > Keep up the good work! > > Brad > > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Wed Oct 5 09:36:41 2011 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2011 10:36:41 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] OT - John Colby - volunteer work with Prisons - Minnesota Public Radio program In-Reply-To: <001501cc82da$fa541e80$eefc5b80$@comcast.net> References: <001401cc8237$b4ac88c0$1e059a40$@com.au> <4E8B6746.5080100@colbyconsulting.com> <001501cc82da$fa541e80$eefc5b80$@comcast.net> Message-ID: <4E8C6B79.4050203@colbyconsulting.com> Dan, Sadly politics is broken, not just in the US but around the world. I did an 8 month training, one full weekend a month to learn to be an advocate for people with disabilities. My daughter Allie has many disabilities caused by a genetic duplication. One of the weekends was dedicated to educating us on the political system, what special interests means, lobbying and so forth. Elections are won with advertising, advertising costs money, and companies (mostly) have money. But in the end it all comes down to people. Everyone believes what they believe, are (have been) convinced of the "truth" of their belief system. Republicans really do believe that government has no business being in the "help" business, that it is the job of the people to help each other. Democrats believe the opposite. People have become jaded and believe that nobody cares any more and so stop caring themselves. Ignoring the names of the political parties, this is not an American problem it is a world problem, which occurs any time there are so many people that we no longer know our neighbors. I don't mean "know their face" I mean "get to know" our neighbors. What we were shown in that weekend is that the primary job of a politician is to get re-elected. The politician him/herself has a belief system but unless (s)he can get (re)elected (s)he cannot implement the belief system. Once elected, there are so many conflicting interests that (s)he cannot really function effectively. The system truly is broken, and probably always has been. The only hope for mankind is for us to realize that we all stand together or we all fall alone. People have to individually make an effort to help others less fortunate than ourselves. Which is a lot of work, and there is a college football game on... and after that is Dancing with the Stars... and besides, what difference can I really make? :) John W. Colby Colby Consulting On 10/4/2011 5:17 PM, Dan Waters wrote: > John- some of this will change in the next election. Unfortunately, too > many people need to learn things the hard way. And learning that voting > carefully, not emotionally, is actually important. Politics is not a > reality TV show - it's real people really getting hurt. > > Dan From fuller.artful at gmail.com Wed Oct 5 10:10:51 2011 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2011 11:10:51 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] OT - John Colby - volunteer work with Prisons - Minnesota Public Radio program In-Reply-To: <4E8C6B79.4050203@colbyconsulting.com> References: <001401cc8237$b4ac88c0$1e059a40$@com.au> <4E8B6746.5080100@colbyconsulting.com> <001501cc82da$fa541e80$eefc5b80$@comcast.net> <4E8C6B79.4050203@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: I think that you are onto something here, JWC. And I am seriously unsure of the consequences that I draw, but here they are: 1. Political parties of whatever stripe are by definition attacks on popular opinion. I don't see any other way to see this. Let us for example take a hypothetical voter who is against abortion and also against religious instruction in public schools. No party represents this theoretical person. The inevitable result is that I choose the party that shares the most number of values and propositions with me, and that SUCKS. Tomorrow is Election Day in Ontario, and various polls indicate that either the Libs or the Cons are slated to have a minority win, and in either case that means that my party, the NDP, is going to hold the balance of power. On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 10:36 AM, jwcolby wrote: > Dan, > > Sadly politics is broken, not just in the US but around the world. > > I did an 8 month training, one full weekend a month to learn to be an > advocate for people with disabilities. My daughter Allie has many > disabilities caused by a genetic duplication. One of the weekends was > dedicated to educating us on the political system, what special interests > means, lobbying and so forth. > > Elections are won with advertising, advertising costs money, and companies > (mostly) have money. But in the end it all comes down to people. Everyone > believes what they believe, are (have been) convinced of the "truth" of > their belief system. > > Republicans really do believe that government has no business being in the > "help" business, that it is the job of the people to help each other. > Democrats believe the opposite. People have become jaded and believe that > nobody cares any more and so stop caring themselves. > > Ignoring the names of the political parties, this is not an American > problem it is a world problem, which occurs any time there are so many > people that we no longer know our neighbors. I don't mean "know their face" > I mean "get to know" our neighbors. > > What we were shown in that weekend is that the primary job of a politician > is to get re-elected. The politician him/herself has a belief system but > unless (s)he can get (re)elected (s)he cannot implement the belief system. > Once elected, there are so many conflicting interests that (s)he cannot > really function effectively. > > The system truly is broken, and probably always has been. > > The only hope for mankind is for us to realize that we all stand together > or we all fall alone. People have to individually make an effort to help > others less fortunate than ourselves. Which is a lot of work, and there is > a college football game on... and after that is Dancing with the Stars... > and besides, what difference can I really make? > > > :) > > > John W. Colby > Colby Consulting > > On 10/4/2011 5:17 PM, Dan Waters wrote: > >> John- some of this will change in the next election. Unfortunately, too >> many people need to learn things the hard way. And learning that voting >> carefully, not emotionally, is actually important. Politics is not a >> reality TV show - it's real people really getting hurt. >> >> Dan >> > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.**com > From john at winhaven.net Wed Oct 5 14:13:04 2011 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2011 14:13:04 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] FW: The passing of Drew Wutka In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <00c601cc8392$cfc8a9c0$6f59fd40$@winhaven.net> Hello All, I have some sad news to share with you all. Long time lister and friend to many, Drew Wutka, passed away Monday. His friend, Ken, contacted me and a number of other board members to share this news with us because he knew that Drew participated on the DBA lists as he spoke of it often. A coworker walked by Drew's office he saw that he had his head on his desk and went in to check on him. The coworker found that he and no pulse. The paramedics were called and he was taken to the hospital where he was pronounced dead upon arrival. Ken will keep me apprised of the situation and I will pass it on to everyone as soon as he shares any further information. My deepest condolences to all of Drew's family and friends. John Bartow, President Database Advisors, Inc. Office: 920-582-7574 Mobile: 920-410-7574 From jackandpat.d at gmail.com Wed Oct 5 14:20:24 2011 From: jackandpat.d at gmail.com (jack drawbridge) Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2011 15:20:24 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] FW: The passing of Drew Wutka In-Reply-To: <00c601cc8392$cfc8a9c0$6f59fd40$@winhaven.net> References: <00c601cc8392$cfc8a9c0$6f59fd40$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: Sad news indeed. He will be missed. You could always count on Drew for another opinion/view. RIP. On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 3:13 PM, John Bartow wrote: > Hello All, > > I have some sad news to share with you all. > > > > Long time lister and friend to many, Drew Wutka, passed away Monday. > > > > His friend, Ken, contacted me and a number of other board members to share > this news with us because he knew that Drew participated on the DBA lists > as > he spoke of it often. > > > > A coworker walked by Drew's office he saw that he had his head on his desk > and went in to check on him. The coworker found that he and no pulse. The > paramedics were called and he was taken to the hospital where he was > pronounced dead upon arrival. > > > > Ken will keep me apprised of the situation and I will pass it on to > everyone > as soon as he shares any further information. > > > > My deepest condolences to all of Drew's family and friends. > > > > John Bartow, President > > Database Advisors, Inc. > > Office: 920-582-7574 > > Mobile: 920-410-7574 > > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From john at winhaven.net Wed Oct 5 14:05:41 2011 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2011 14:05:41 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] FW: The passing of Drew Wutka In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <006c01cc8391$c72acfb0$55806f10$@winhaven.net> Hello All, I have some sad news to share with you all. Long time lister and friend to many, Drew Wutka, passed away Monday. His friend, Ken, contacted me and a number of other board members to share this news with us because he knew that Drew participated on the DBA lists as he spoke of it often. A coworker walked by Drew's office he saw that he had his head on his desk and went in to check on him. The coworker found that he and no pulse. The paramedics were called and he was taken to the hospital where he was pronounced dead upon arrival. Ken will keep me apprised of the situation and I will pass it on to everyone as soon as he shares any further information. My deepest condolences to all of Drew's family and friends. John Bartow, President Database Advisors, Inc. Office: 920-582-7574 Mobile: 920-410-7574 From andy at minstersystems.co.uk Wed Oct 5 14:53:49 2011 From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey) Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2011 20:53:49 +0100 Subject: [AccessD] FW: The passing of Drew Wutka In-Reply-To: <00c601cc8392$cfc8a9c0$6f59fd40$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: That's terrible news John, but thanks for letting us know. What a shock. He'll be very sadly missed. Andy -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow Sent: 05 October 2011 20:13 To: DBA-Access Subject: [AccessD] FW: The passing of Drew Wutka Hello All, I have some sad news to share with you all. Long time lister and friend to many, Drew Wutka, passed away Monday. His friend, Ken, contacted me and a number of other board members to share this news with us because he knew that Drew participated on the DBA lists as he spoke of it often. A coworker walked by Drew's office he saw that he had his head on his desk and went in to check on him. The coworker found that he and no pulse. The paramedics were called and he was taken to the hospital where he was pronounced dead upon arrival. Ken will keep me apprised of the situation and I will pass it on to everyone as soon as he shares any further information. My deepest condolences to all of Drew's family and friends. John Bartow, President Database Advisors, Inc. Office: 920-582-7574 Mobile: 920-410-7574 -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk Wed Oct 5 15:17:56 2011 From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid) Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2011 21:17:56 +0100 Subject: [AccessD] FW: The passing of Drew Wutka Message-ID: <631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB082956A302CE159@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk> That's sad to hear. I would lime to send something to his family if we get details. Martin Sent from my Windows Phone ________________________________ From: John Bartow Sent: 05/10/2011 20:15 To: DBA-Access Subject: [AccessD] FW: The passing of Drew Wutka Hello All, I have some sad news to share with you all. Long time lister and friend to many, Drew Wutka, passed away Monday. His friend, Ken, contacted me and a number of other board members to share this news with us because he knew that Drew participated on the DBA lists as he spoke of it often. A coworker walked by Drew's office he saw that he had his head on his desk and went in to check on him. The coworker found that he and no pulse. The paramedics were called and he was taken to the hospital where he was pronounced dead upon arrival. Ken will keep me apprised of the situation and I will pass it on to everyone as soon as he shares any further information. My deepest condolences to all of Drew's family and friends. John Bartow, President Database Advisors, Inc. Office: 920-582-7574 Mobile: 920-410-7574 -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Wed Oct 5 15:28:03 2011 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2011 16:28:03 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] [dba-SQLServer] FW: The passing of Drew Wutka In-Reply-To: <010c01cc8396$44b530c0$ce1f9240$@winhaven.net> References: <00ab01cc8392$cec73f50$6c55bdf0$@winhaven.net> <010c01cc8396$44b530c0$ce1f9240$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: <4E8CBDD3.900@colbyconsulting.com> Man that will take your breath away. Drew was essentially one of our founding members. DatabaseAdvisors needs to formally express out condolences to the family. This is a sad day. John W. Colby Colby Consulting On 10/5/2011 3:37 PM, John Bartow wrote: > Ken will be keeping me apprised of any further info including next of kin. > I'll pass along anything I receive. > > Drew's daughter is only 12 so I'm sure we need to be careful on how we > communicate on this. > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve > Erbach > Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2011 2:19 PM > To: Discussion concerning MS SQL Server > Subject: Re: [dba-SQLServer] FW: The passing of Drew Wutka > > John, > > Do you have contact info for his next of kin? > > Regards, > > Steve Erbach > Neenah, WI > > On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 2:13 PM, John Bartow wrote: > >> Hello All, >> >> I have some sad news to share with you all. >> >> >> >> Long time lister and friend to many, Drew Wutka, passed away Monday. >> >> >> >> His friend, Ken, contacted me and a number of other board members to >> share this news with us because he knew that Drew participated on the >> DBA lists as he spoke of it often. >> >> >> >> A coworker walked by Drew's office he saw that he had his head on his >> desk and went in to check on him. The coworker found that he and no >> pulse. The paramedics were called and he was taken to the hospital >> where he was pronounced dead upon arrival. >> >> >> >> Ken will keep me apprised of the situation and I will pass it on to >> everyone as soon as he shares any further information. >> >> >> >> My deepest condolences to all of Drew's family and friends. >> >> >> >> John Bartow, President >> >> Database Advisors, Inc. >> >> Office: 920-582-7574 >> >> Mobile: 920-410-7574 >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-SQLServer mailing list >> dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-sqlserver >> http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> > > > -- > Regards, > > Steve Erbach > Neenah, WI > http://www.NeenahPolitics.com > http://www.TheTownCrank.com > _______________________________________________ > dba-SQLServer mailing list > dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-sqlserver > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-SQLServer mailing list > dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-sqlserver > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > From john at winhaven.net Wed Oct 5 15:30:39 2011 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2011 15:30:39 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] FW: The passing of Drew Wutka In-Reply-To: <631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB082956A302CE159@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk> References: <631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB082956A302CE159@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk> Message-ID: <014701cc839d$a5a50020$f0ef0060$@winhaven.net> Ken will be keeping me apprised of any further info including next of kin. I'll pass along anything I receive. Drew's daughter, Hannah, is only 12 so I'm sure we need to be careful on how we communicate on this. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Martin Reid Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2011 3:18 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] FW: The passing of Drew Wutka That's sad to hear. I would lime to send something to his family if we get details. Martin Sent from my Windows Phone ________________________________ From: John Bartow Sent: 05/10/2011 20:15 To: DBA-Access Subject: [AccessD] FW: The passing of Drew Wutka Hello All, I have some sad news to share with you all. Long time lister and friend to many, Drew Wutka, passed away Monday. His friend, Ken, contacted me and a number of other board members to share this news with us because he knew that Drew participated on the DBA lists as he spoke of it often. A coworker walked by Drew's office he saw that he had his head on his desk and went in to check on him. The coworker found that he and no pulse. The paramedics were called and he was taken to the hospital where he was pronounced dead upon arrival. Ken will keep me apprised of the situation and I will pass it on to everyone as soon as he shares any further information. My deepest condolences to all of Drew's family and friends. John Bartow, President Database Advisors, Inc. Office: 920-582-7574 Mobile: 920-410-7574 -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From steve at datamanagementsolutions.biz Wed Oct 5 16:11:09 2011 From: steve at datamanagementsolutions.biz (Steve Schapel) Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2011 10:11:09 +1300 Subject: [AccessD] FW: The passing of Drew Wutka In-Reply-To: <00c601cc8392$cfc8a9c0$6f59fd40$@winhaven.net> References: <00c601cc8392$cfc8a9c0$6f59fd40$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: Thanks for letting us know, John. I have huge respect for Drew, his knowledge and the contributions he made to this group. This is very sad news indeed. Regards Steve -----Original Message----- From: John Bartow Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2011 8:13 AM To: DBA-Access Subject: [AccessD] FW: The passing of Drew Wutka Hello All, I have some sad news to share with you all. Long time lister and friend to many, Drew Wutka, passed away Monday. His friend, Ken, contacted me and a number of other board members to share this news with us because he knew that Drew participated on the DBA lists as he spoke of it often. A coworker walked by Drew's office he saw that he had his head on his desk and went in to check on him. The coworker found that he and no pulse. The paramedics were called and he was taken to the hospital where he was pronounced dead upon arrival. Ken will keep me apprised of the situation and I will pass it on to everyone as soon as he shares any further information. My deepest condolences to all of Drew's family and friends. John Bartow, President Database Advisors, Inc. Office: 920-582-7574 Mobile: 920-410-7574 -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From charlotte.foust at gmail.com Wed Oct 5 16:21:46 2011 From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust) Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2011 14:21:46 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] FW: The passing of Drew Wutka In-Reply-To: References: <00c601cc8392$cfc8a9c0$6f59fd40$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: Drew always seemed like a perennial young adult. I am stunned to hear of his death. As a grief coach, I'd also like to extend my services at no charge to any of you who need them. It would cost you nothing but a phone call. If you want to discuss it, please email me off list. Charlotte Foust On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 2:11 PM, Steve Schapel < steve at datamanagementsolutions.biz> wrote: > Thanks for letting us know, John. I have huge respect for Drew, his > knowledge and the contributions he made to this group. This is very sad > news indeed. > > Regards > Steve > > -----Original Message----- From: John Bartow > Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2011 8:13 AM > > To: DBA-Access > Subject: [AccessD] FW: The passing of Drew Wutka > > Hello All, > > I have some sad news to share with you all. > > > > Long time lister and friend to many, Drew Wutka, passed away Monday. > > > > His friend, Ken, contacted me and a number of other board members to share > this news with us because he knew that Drew participated on the DBA lists > as > he spoke of it often. > > > > A coworker walked by Drew's office he saw that he had his head on his desk > and went in to check on him. The coworker found that he and no pulse. The > paramedics were called and he was taken to the hospital where he was > pronounced dead upon arrival. > > > > Ken will keep me apprised of the situation and I will pass it on to > everyone > as soon as he shares any further information. > > > > My deepest condolences to all of Drew's family and friends. > > > > John Bartow, President > > Database Advisors, Inc. > > Office: 920-582-7574 > > Mobile: 920-410-7574 > > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/accessd > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.**com > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/accessd > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.**com > > > From ssharkins at gmail.com Wed Oct 5 16:28:26 2011 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2011 17:28:26 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] FW: The passing of Drew Wutka References: <00c601cc8392$cfc8a9c0$6f59fd40$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: You're sweet. ;) Susan H. > Drew always seemed like a perennial young adult. I am stunned to hear of > his death. As a grief coach, I'd also like to extend my services at no > charge to any of you who need them. It would cost you nothing but a phone > call. If you want to discuss it, please email me off list. From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au Wed Oct 5 17:52:34 2011 From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins) Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2011 09:52:34 +1100 Subject: [AccessD] FW: The passing of Drew Wutka In-Reply-To: <014701cc839d$a5a50020$f0ef0060$@winhaven.net> References: <631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB082956A302CE159@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk> <014701cc839d$a5a50020$f0ef0060$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: <000901cc83b1$792faf40$6b8f0dc0$@com.au> Thanks John, Please let us know. I would be happy to chip in something for the family. That is really sad, his daughter is young too. :-/ Regards Darryl. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow Sent: Thursday, 6 October 2011 7:31 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] FW: The passing of Drew Wutka Ken will be keeping me apprised of any further info including next of kin. I'll pass along anything I receive. Drew's daughter, Hannah, is only 12 so I'm sure we need to be careful on how we communicate on this. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Martin Reid Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2011 3:18 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] FW: The passing of Drew Wutka That's sad to hear. I would lime to send something to his family if we get details. Martin Sent from my Windows Phone ________________________________ From: John Bartow Sent: 05/10/2011 20:15 To: DBA-Access Subject: [AccessD] FW: The passing of Drew Wutka Hello All, I have some sad news to share with you all. Long time lister and friend to many, Drew Wutka, passed away Monday. His friend, Ken, contacted me and a number of other board members to share this news with us because he knew that Drew participated on the DBA lists as he spoke of it often. A coworker walked by Drew's office he saw that he had his head on his desk and went in to check on him. The coworker found that he and no pulse. The paramedics were called and he was taken to the hospital where he was pronounced dead upon arrival. Ken will keep me apprised of the situation and I will pass it on to everyone as soon as he shares any further information. My deepest condolences to all of Drew's family and friends. John Bartow, President Database Advisors, Inc. Office: 920-582-7574 Mobile: 920-410-7574 -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From john at winhaven.net Wed Oct 5 18:11:35 2011 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2011 18:11:35 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] FW: Drew Wutka's Services In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <01b201cc83b4$214d2e80$63e78b80$@winhaven.net> Forwarded From Ken: I spoke with Drew's mom and told her the many wonderful and kind things you guys have written about Drew.? I told her I could forward them and she was excited, so I did in fact send them to her.? ? If you have anything you can share I am certain she and Hannah, and his Dad would love it.? Her email address is: nwutka at sbcglobal.com The following is the information relating to his services: Viewing at Turrentine Jackson Morrow I-75 and ridgeview Thursday 6-7 972-562-2601 Preston Meadow Lutheran 10:30 Friday after back to church for light lunch 972-618-2233 Please feel free to contact me and share this information as you deem necessary. Kenneth Van Huss ? VanGard Systems Office (214) 801-4357 ext 335 Fax??? (214) 299-8597 Cell??? (214) 243-5659 kvanhuss at airrsystem.com From john at winhaven.net Wed Oct 5 18:21:04 2011 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2011 18:21:04 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Drew Wutka memorial ideas Message-ID: <01b301cc83b5$741defe0$5c59cfa0$@winhaven.net> Hello Listers, While I agree that we should do something as a group, I also encourage you all to act on your own accord. As Ken mentioned in his email that I just sent out, his family was very happy to hear of our fond thoughts and reminiscing's of Drew. I encourage you to send emails, Facebooks postings, cards, etc. I would like to see what everyone would like to do for Drew. A couple of ideas were to send something to his service from DBA, collect for a DBA memorial fund to aid his daughter Hannah. Any other ideas? John Bartow WinHaven Consulting PO Box 130 Winneconne, WI 54986 Office: 920-582-7574 Mobile: 920-410-7574 From robert at servicexp.com Wed Oct 5 18:25:44 2011 From: robert at servicexp.com (Robert) Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2011 19:25:44 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] FW: The passing of Drew Wutka In-Reply-To: <00c601cc8392$cfc8a9c0$6f59fd40$@winhaven.net> References: <00c601cc8392$cfc8a9c0$6f59fd40$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: <000f01cc83b6$25b3ab00$711b0100$@com> So sad indeed. I'm at a loss for words....... ...Lord strengthen and comfort Drew's family during this very difficult time... Robert -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2011 3:13 PM To: DBA-Access Subject: [AccessD] FW: The passing of Drew Wutka Hello All, I have some sad news to share with you all. Long time lister and friend to many, Drew Wutka, passed away Monday. His friend, Ken, contacted me and a number of other board members to share this news with us because he knew that Drew participated on the DBA lists as he spoke of it often. A coworker walked by Drew's office he saw that he had his head on his desk and went in to check on him. The coworker found that he and no pulse. The paramedics were called and he was taken to the hospital where he was pronounced dead upon arrival. Ken will keep me apprised of the situation and I will pass it on to everyone as soon as he shares any further information. My deepest condolences to all of Drew's family and friends. John Bartow, President Database Advisors, Inc. Office: 920-582-7574 Mobile: 920-410-7574 -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From charlotte.foust at gmail.com Wed Oct 5 19:04:10 2011 From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust) Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2011 17:04:10 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Drew Wutka memorial ideas In-Reply-To: <01b301cc83b5$741defe0$5c59cfa0$@winhaven.net> References: <01b301cc83b5$741defe0$5c59cfa0$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: One of the things that is especially helpful to children struggling with grief is a memory book. Since our memories of Drew are "virtual", we couldn't contribute photos or such, but the archives must have many threads that include the outrageous exchanges we had over the years with Drew in there fanning the flames. I wonder if it would be possible to put something together with snippets of his humor and insight and some typical teasing that might serve to remind her as the years pass of the kind of person her father was. Those could be put together in a scrapbook of sorts using online services and sent to Drew's family. We could even collaborate with them in creating something like that that included photos and such they would like to use to remember him and to preserve his memory. I we covered the cost, that would be a great memorial, and we could provide copies for each member of his family. Charlotte Foust On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 4:21 PM, John Bartow wrote: > Hello Listers, > While I agree that we should do something as a group, I also encourage you > all to act on your own accord. As Ken mentioned in his email that I just > sent out, his family was very happy to hear of our fond thoughts and > reminiscing's of Drew. I encourage you to send emails, Facebooks postings, > cards, etc. > > I would like to see what everyone would like to do for Drew. A couple of > ideas were to send something to his service from DBA, collect for a DBA > memorial fund to aid his daughter Hannah. > > Any other ideas? > > John Bartow > WinHaven Consulting > PO Box 130 > Winneconne, WI 54986 > Office: 920-582-7574 > Mobile: 920-410-7574 > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > From ssharkins at gmail.com Wed Oct 5 19:25:25 2011 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2011 20:25:25 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Drew Wutka memorial ideas References: <01b301cc83b5$741defe0$5c59cfa0$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: I was trying to think if his mom would like my copies of the articles we wrote -- some of them were in print, in IMA and a few others. I thought about sending her the actual journals. It seems kind of silly, they won't really want to read them, but... do you think she'd want them? He probably got a copy, but if they find them, they probably won't realize what they're dealing with -- will most likely think they're just old technical journals and throw them out. On the other hand, they might not care -- I just don't know -- it's not like they're great literature or anything, but I think... if it were my son, I'd want them. I just don't know what to do. Susan H. > One of the things that is especially helpful to children struggling with > grief is a memory book. Since our memories of Drew are "virtual", we > couldn't contribute photos or such, but the archives must have many > threads > that include the outrageous exchanges we had over the years with Drew in > there fanning the flames. I wonder if it would be possible to put > something > together with snippets of his humor and insight and some typical teasing > that might serve to remind her as the years pass of the kind of person her > father was. Those could be put together in a scrapbook of sorts using > online services and sent to Drew's family. We could even collaborate with > them in creating something like that that included photos and such they > would like to use to remember him and to preserve his memory. I we > covered > the cost, that would be a great memorial, and we could provide copies for > each member of his family. From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au Wed Oct 5 19:31:00 2011 From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins) Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2011 11:31:00 +1100 Subject: [AccessD] Drew Wutka memorial ideas In-Reply-To: References: <01b301cc83b5$741defe0$5c59cfa0$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: <001101cc83bf$39212f10$ab638d30$@com.au> Email her and ask what she thinks. I always find these situations a bit tricky - some folks throw a lot of things out and others want to keep them. I guess all you can do is ask and respond appropriately. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins Sent: Thursday, 6 October 2011 11:25 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Drew Wutka memorial ideas I was trying to think if his mom would like my copies of the articles we wrote -- some of them were in print, in IMA and a few others. I thought about sending her the actual journals. It seems kind of silly, they won't really want to read them, but... do you think she'd want them? He probably got a copy, but if they find them, they probably won't realize what they're dealing with -- will most likely think they're just old technical journals and throw them out. On the other hand, they might not care -- I just don't know -- it's not like they're great literature or anything, but I think... if it were my son, I'd want them. I just don't know what to do. Susan H. > One of the things that is especially helpful to children struggling with > grief is a memory book. Since our memories of Drew are "virtual", we > couldn't contribute photos or such, but the archives must have many > threads > that include the outrageous exchanges we had over the years with Drew in > there fanning the flames. I wonder if it would be possible to put > something > together with snippets of his humor and insight and some typical teasing > that might serve to remind her as the years pass of the kind of person her > father was. Those could be put together in a scrapbook of sorts using > online services and sent to Drew's family. We could even collaborate with > them in creating something like that that included photos and such they > would like to use to remember him and to preserve his memory. I we > covered > the cost, that would be a great memorial, and we could provide copies for > each member of his family. -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Wed Oct 5 19:40:18 2011 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2011 17:40:18 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Drew Wutka memorial ideas In-Reply-To: References: <01b301cc83b5$741defe0$5c59cfa0$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: "if it were my son, I'd want them." There's you answer, I think. Maybe Hanna will read them one day. Anyway, I think that's a wonderful idea, and a wonderful legacy for them to have. R -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2011 5:25 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Drew Wutka memorial ideas I was trying to think if his mom would like my copies of the articles we wrote -- some of them were in print, in IMA and a few others. I thought about sending her the actual journals. It seems kind of silly, they won't really want to read them, but... do you think she'd want them? He probably got a copy, but if they find them, they probably won't realize what they're dealing with -- will most likely think they're just old technical journals and throw them out. On the other hand, they might not care -- I just don't know -- it's not like they're great literature or anything, but I think... if it were my son, I'd want them. I just don't know what to do. Susan H. > One of the things that is especially helpful to children struggling > with grief is a memory book. Since our memories of Drew are > "virtual", we couldn't contribute photos or such, but the archives > must have many threads that include the outrageous exchanges we had > over the years with Drew in there fanning the flames. I wonder if it > would be possible to put something together with snippets of his humor > and insight and some typical teasing that might serve to remind her as > the years pass of the kind of person her father was. Those could be > put together in a scrapbook of sorts using online services and sent to > Drew's family. We could even collaborate with them in creating > something like that that included photos and such they would like to > use to remember him and to preserve his memory. I we covered the > cost, that would be a great memorial, and we could provide copies for > each member of his family. -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From marksimms at verizon.net Wed Oct 5 20:27:01 2011 From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms) Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2011 21:27:01 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Drew Wutka memorial ideas In-Reply-To: References: <01b301cc83b5$741defe0$5c59cfa0$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: <006701cc83c7$0c766cc0$25634640$@net> I'll definitely "chip in". I know this is not a warm and fuzzy way of doing it, but would PayPal be out of the question here ? I mean...it's at least convenient. The recipient could establish an account there within days. From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Wed Oct 5 20:32:09 2011 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2011 21:32:09 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Drew Wutka memorial ideas In-Reply-To: References: <01b301cc83b5$741defe0$5c59cfa0$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: <4E8D0519.8080301@colbyconsulting.com> I think they should be forwarded to the family. They might not know he was "published". John W. Colby Colby Consulting On 10/5/2011 8:25 PM, Susan Harkins wrote: > I was trying to think if his mom would like my copies of the articles we wrote -- some of them were > in print, in IMA and a few others. I thought about sending her the actual journals. It seems kind of > silly, they won't really want to read them, but... do you think she'd want them? He probably got a > copy, but if they find them, they probably won't realize what they're dealing with -- will most > likely think they're just old technical journals and throw them out. On the other hand, they might > not care -- I just don't know -- it's not like they're great literature or anything, but I think... > if it were my son, I'd want them. I just don't know what to do. > > Susan H. > > >> One of the things that is especially helpful to children struggling with >> grief is a memory book. Since our memories of Drew are "virtual", we >> couldn't contribute photos or such, but the archives must have many threads >> that include the outrageous exchanges we had over the years with Drew in >> there fanning the flames. I wonder if it would be possible to put something >> together with snippets of his humor and insight and some typical teasing >> that might serve to remind her as the years pass of the kind of person her >> father was. Those could be put together in a scrapbook of sorts using >> online services and sent to Drew's family. We could even collaborate with >> them in creating something like that that included photos and such they >> would like to use to remember him and to preserve his memory. I we covered >> the cost, that would be a great memorial, and we could provide copies for >> each member of his family. > From kvanhuss at airrsystem.com Wed Oct 5 21:38:22 2011 From: kvanhuss at airrsystem.com (Kenneth W Van Huss) Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2011 21:38:22 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Drew Wutka memorial ideas In-Reply-To: References: <01b301cc83b5$741defe0$5c59cfa0$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: FWIW, if my opinion accounts, Charlotte's idea sounds like something the family would like. Kenneth Van Huss VanGard Systems Office (214) 801-4357 ext 335 Fax (214) 299-8597 Cell (214) 243-5659 kvanhuss at airrsystem.com ================================================================ This message and all attachments transmitted with it may contain legally privileged/proprietary information intended solely for the use of the addressee. If this email is not intended for you, and you are not responsible for the delivery of this email message to the addressee, do not keep, copy or deliver this email message to anyone. Please destroy this email in its entirety and notify the sender by reply email. Your cooperation is appreciated. ================================================================== ??In consideration of the environment ? please do not print this email unless absolutely necessary. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2011 7:04 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Drew Wutka memorial ideas One of the things that is especially helpful to children struggling with grief is a memory book. Since our memories of Drew are "virtual", we couldn't contribute photos or such, but the archives must have many threads that include the outrageous exchanges we had over the years with Drew in there fanning the flames. I wonder if it would be possible to put something together with snippets of his humor and insight and some typical teasing that might serve to remind her as the years pass of the kind of person her father was. Those could be put together in a scrapbook of sorts using online services and sent to Drew's family. We could even collaborate with them in creating something like that that included photos and such they would like to use to remember him and to preserve his memory. I we covered the cost, that would be a great memorial, and we could provide copies for each member of his family. Charlotte Foust On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 4:21 PM, John Bartow wrote: > Hello Listers, > While I agree that we should do something as a group, I also encourage > you all to act on your own accord. As Ken mentioned in his email that > I just sent out, his family was very happy to hear of our fond > thoughts and reminiscing's of Drew. I encourage you to send emails, > Facebooks postings, cards, etc. > > I would like to see what everyone would like to do for Drew. A couple > of ideas were to send something to his service from DBA, collect for a > DBA memorial fund to aid his daughter Hannah. > > Any other ideas? > > John Bartow > WinHaven Consulting > PO Box 130 > Winneconne, WI 54986 > Office: 920-582-7574 > Mobile: 920-410-7574 > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From kvanhuss at airrsystem.com Wed Oct 5 21:40:13 2011 From: kvanhuss at airrsystem.com (Kenneth W Van Huss) Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2011 21:40:13 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Drew Wutka memorial ideas In-Reply-To: References: <01b301cc83b5$741defe0$5c59cfa0$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: I too believe that the family would like it. You can also email her and ask if it is something they would like for themselves or for Hannah. Respectfully, Kenneth Van Huss VanGard Systems Office (214) 801-4357 ext 335 Fax (214) 299-8597 Cell (214) 243-5659 kvanhuss at airrsystem.com ================================================================ This message and all attachments transmitted with it may contain legally privileged/proprietary information intended solely for the use of the addressee. If this email is not intended for you, and you are not responsible for the delivery of this email message to the addressee, do not keep, copy or deliver this email message to anyone. Please destroy this email in its entirety and notify the sender by reply email. Your cooperation is appreciated. ================================================================== ??In consideration of the environment ? please do not print this email unless absolutely necessary. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2011 7:25 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Drew Wutka memorial ideas I was trying to think if his mom would like my copies of the articles we wrote -- some of them were in print, in IMA and a few others. I thought about sending her the actual journals. It seems kind of silly, they won't really want to read them, but... do you think she'd want them? He probably got a copy, but if they find them, they probably won't realize what they're dealing with -- will most likely think they're just old technical journals and throw them out. On the other hand, they might not care -- I just don't know -- it's not like they're great literature or anything, but I think... if it were my son, I'd want them. I just don't know what to do. Susan H. > One of the things that is especially helpful to children struggling > with grief is a memory book. Since our memories of Drew are > "virtual", we couldn't contribute photos or such, but the archives > must have many threads that include the outrageous exchanges we had > over the years with Drew in there fanning the flames. I wonder if it > would be possible to put something together with snippets of his humor > and insight and some typical teasing that might serve to remind her as > the years pass of the kind of person her father was. Those could be > put together in a scrapbook of sorts using online services and sent to > Drew's family. We could even collaborate with them in creating > something like that that included photos and such they would like to > use to remember him and to preserve his memory. I we covered the > cost, that would be a great memorial, and we could provide copies for > each member of his family. -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From edzedz at comcast.net Wed Oct 5 21:44:48 2011 From: edzedz at comcast.net (Edward Zuris) Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2011 20:44:48 -0600 Subject: [AccessD] FW: The passing of Drew Wutka In-Reply-To: <00c601cc8392$cfc8a9c0$6f59fd40$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: <000a01cc83d1$ea0ee530$5bdea8c0@edz1> So Sad. . . . -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2011 1:13 PM To: DBA-Access Subject: [AccessD] FW: The passing of Drew Wutka Hello All, I have some sad news to share with you all. Long time lister and friend to many, Drew Wutka, passed away Monday. His friend, Ken, contacted me and a number of other board members to share this news with us because he knew that Drew participated on the DBA lists as he spoke of it often. A coworker walked by Drew's office he saw that he had his head on his desk and went in to check on him. The coworker found that he and no pulse. The paramedics were called and he was taken to the hospital where he was pronounced dead upon arrival. Ken will keep me apprised of the situation and I will pass it on to everyone as soon as he shares any further information. My deepest condolences to all of Drew's family and friends. John Bartow, President Database Advisors, Inc. Office: 920-582-7574 Mobile: 920-410-7574 -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Wed Oct 5 20:02:18 2011 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2011 21:02:18 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] A person that I have never met has passed Message-ID: Over the past 10 years or so, I have had about 1000 e-conversations with Drew Wutka, and have come to regard him as one of the sharpest knives in the drawer. He has taught me a lot about programming. He had a beautiful style in his code, minimalist to the max. You could look at his code and not cut a single line. He was absolutely brilliant, and always willing to share his code. Iearned a ton from him, and I shall miss him on every future day. Arthur From jimdettman at verizon.net Thu Oct 6 06:45:02 2011 From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman) Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2011 07:45:02 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] FW: The passing of Drew Wutka In-Reply-To: <00c601cc8392$cfc8a9c0$6f59fd40$@winhaven.net> References: <00c601cc8392$cfc8a9c0$6f59fd40$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: Wow...very sad to hear of his passing. I loved reading Drew's comments on the list. Sad too that he left behind a daughter so young. It's tough enough to loose a parent as an adult. I can't imagine loosing a parent at such a young age. Count me in as well for whatever everyone feels might be a fitting memorial. Jim. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2011 03:13 PM To: DBA-Access Subject: [AccessD] FW: The passing of Drew Wutka Hello All, I have some sad news to share with you all. Long time lister and friend to many, Drew Wutka, passed away Monday. His friend, Ken, contacted me and a number of other board members to share this news with us because he knew that Drew participated on the DBA lists as he spoke of it often. A coworker walked by Drew's office he saw that he had his head on his desk and went in to check on him. The coworker found that he and no pulse. The paramedics were called and he was taken to the hospital where he was pronounced dead upon arrival. Ken will keep me apprised of the situation and I will pass it on to everyone as soon as he shares any further information. My deepest condolences to all of Drew's family and friends. John Bartow, President Database Advisors, Inc. Office: 920-582-7574 Mobile: 920-410-7574 -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From tinanfields at torchlake.com Thu Oct 6 07:02:43 2011 From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields) Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2011 08:02:43 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Drew Wutka memorial ideas In-Reply-To: References: <01b301cc83b5$741defe0$5c59cfa0$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: <4E8D98E3.7020909@torchlake.com> I think this is a wonderful idea. How may I help? T Tina Norris Fields tinanfields at torchlake.com 231-322-2787 On 10/5/2011 8:04 PM, Charlotte Foust wrote: > One of the things that is especially helpful to children struggling with > grief is a memory book. Since our memories of Drew are "virtual", we > couldn't contribute photos or such, but the archives must have many threads > that include the outrageous exchanges we had over the years with Drew in > there fanning the flames. I wonder if it would be possible to put something > together with snippets of his humor and insight and some typical teasing > that might serve to remind her as the years pass of the kind of person her > father was. Those could be put together in a scrapbook of sorts using > online services and sent to Drew's family. We could even collaborate with > them in creating something like that that included photos and such they > would like to use to remember him and to preserve his memory. I we covered > the cost, that would be a great memorial, and we could provide copies for > each member of his family. > > Charlotte Foust > > On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 4:21 PM, John Bartow wrote: > >> Hello Listers, >> While I agree that we should do something as a group, I also encourage you >> all to act on your own accord. As Ken mentioned in his email that I just >> sent out, his family was very happy to hear of our fond thoughts and >> reminiscing's of Drew. I encourage you to send emails, Facebooks postings, >> cards, etc. >> >> I would like to see what everyone would like to do for Drew. A couple of >> ideas were to send something to his service from DBA, collect for a DBA >> memorial fund to aid his daughter Hannah. >> >> Any other ideas? >> >> John Bartow >> WinHaven Consulting >> PO Box 130 >> Winneconne, WI 54986 >> Office: 920-582-7574 >> Mobile: 920-410-7574 >> >> >> -- >> AccessD mailing list >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >> >> >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> >> From rusty.hammond at cpiqpc.com Thu Oct 6 09:07:24 2011 From: rusty.hammond at cpiqpc.com (Rusty Hammond) Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2011 09:07:24 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Drew Wutka memorial ideas In-Reply-To: <4E8D0519.8080301@colbyconsulting.com> References: <01b301cc83b5$741defe0$5c59cfa0$@winhaven.net> <4E8D0519.8080301@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <49A286ABF515E94A8505CD14DEB721701744A1CA@CPIEMAIL-EVS1.CPIQPC.NET> I know I don't post a lot but I have been subscribed to this list for a few years. It was very obvious how well respected Drew was on this list and I think the family would really like to know that. Small world, turns out my wife has been working with Drew's sister-in-law (married to Drew's brother) for a few years now. They are reading tutors and sit right next to each other every day. My jaw dropped when my wife told me last night about Amy's brother-in-law passing away this week. I would be glad to help get any condolences, memories, etc to the family. Rusty Hammond -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2011 8:32 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Drew Wutka memorial ideas I think they should be forwarded to the family. They might not know he was "published". John W. Colby Colby Consulting On 10/5/2011 8:25 PM, Susan Harkins wrote: > I was trying to think if his mom would like my copies of the articles > we wrote -- some of them were in print, in IMA and a few others. I > thought about sending her the actual journals. It seems kind of silly, > they won't really want to read them, but... do you think she'd want > them? He probably got a copy, but if they find them, they probably > won't realize what they're dealing with -- will most likely think they're just old technical journals and throw them out. On the other hand, they might not care -- I just don't know -- it's not like they're great literature or anything, but I think... > if it were my son, I'd want them. I just don't know what to do. > > Susan H. > > >> One of the things that is especially helpful to children struggling >> with grief is a memory book. Since our memories of Drew are >> "virtual", we couldn't contribute photos or such, but the archives >> must have many threads that include the outrageous exchanges we had >> over the years with Drew in there fanning the flames. I wonder if it >> would be possible to put something together with snippets of his >> humor and insight and some typical teasing that might serve to remind >> her as the years pass of the kind of person her father was. Those >> could be put together in a scrapbook of sorts using online services >> and sent to Drew's family. We could even collaborate with them in >> creating something like that that included photos and such they would >> like to use to remember him and to preserve his memory. I we covered >> the cost, that would be a great memorial, and we could provide copies for each member of his family. > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com ********************************************************************** WARNING: All e-mail sent to and from this address will be received, scanned or otherwise recorded by the CPI Qualified Plan Consultants, Inc. corporate e-mail system and is subject to archival, monitoring or review by, and/or disclosure to, someone other than the recipient. ********************************************************************** From markamatte at hotmail.com Thu Oct 6 10:28:21 2011 From: markamatte at hotmail.com (Mark A Matte) Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2011 15:28:21 +0000 Subject: [AccessD] Drew Wutka memorial ideas In-Reply-To: <4E8D0519.8080301@colbyconsulting.com> References: <01b301cc83b5$741defe0$5c59cfa0$@winhaven.net>, , , <4E8D0519.8080301@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: I agree. Drew was also listed as "one of the giants of AccessD" in Martin's book. Not sure his family knows that...but I think this is a good representation of how he was viewed and appreciated by the list as a whole. Mark A. Matte > Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2011 21:32:09 -0400 > From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Drew Wutka memorial ideas > > I think they should be forwarded to the family. They might not know he was "published". > > John W. Colby > Colby Consulting > > On 10/5/2011 8:25 PM, Susan Harkins wrote: > > I was trying to think if his mom would like my copies of the articles we wrote -- some of them were > > in print, in IMA and a few others. I thought about sending her the actual journals. It seems kind of > > silly, they won't really want to read them, but... do you think she'd want them? He probably got a > > copy, but if they find them, they probably won't realize what they're dealing with -- will most > > likely think they're just old technical journals and throw them out. On the other hand, they might > > not care -- I just don't know -- it's not like they're great literature or anything, but I think... > > if it were my son, I'd want them. I just don't know what to do. > > > > Susan H. > > > > > >> One of the things that is especially helpful to children struggling with > >> grief is a memory book. Since our memories of Drew are "virtual", we > >> couldn't contribute photos or such, but the archives must have many threads > >> that include the outrageous exchanges we had over the years with Drew in > >> there fanning the flames. I wonder if it would be possible to put something > >> together with snippets of his humor and insight and some typical teasing > >> that might serve to remind her as the years pass of the kind of person her > >> father was. Those could be put together in a scrapbook of sorts using > >> online services and sent to Drew's family. We could even collaborate with > >> them in creating something like that that included photos and such they > >> would like to use to remember him and to preserve his memory. I we covered > >> the cost, that would be a great memorial, and we could provide copies for > >> each member of his family. > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From markamatte at hotmail.com Thu Oct 6 11:51:48 2011 From: markamatte at hotmail.com (Mark A Matte) Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2011 16:51:48 +0000 Subject: [AccessD] Drew Wutka memorial ideas In-Reply-To: References: <01b301cc83b5$741defe0$5c59cfa0$@winhaven.net>, , , , , , <4E8D0519.8080301@colbyconsulting.com>, Message-ID: For those who might not remember we have some pictures on accesD... http://www.databaseadvisors.com/newsletters/bio_pages/bio_drew.asp > From: markamatte at hotmail.com > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com > Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2011 15:28:21 +0000 > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Drew Wutka memorial ideas > > > I agree. Drew was also listed as "one of the giants of AccessD" in Martin's book. > > Not sure his family knows that...but I think this is a good representation of how he was viewed and appreciated by the list as a whole. > > Mark A. Matte > > > > > > Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2011 21:32:09 -0400 > > From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com > > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Drew Wutka memorial ideas > > > > I think they should be forwarded to the family. They might not know he was "published". > > > > John W. Colby > > Colby Consulting > > > > On 10/5/2011 8:25 PM, Susan Harkins wrote: > > > I was trying to think if his mom would like my copies of the articles we wrote -- some of them were > > > in print, in IMA and a few others. I thought about sending her the actual journals. It seems kind of > > > silly, they won't really want to read them, but... do you think she'd want them? He probably got a > > > copy, but if they find them, they probably won't realize what they're dealing with -- will most > > > likely think they're just old technical journals and throw them out. On the other hand, they might > > > not care -- I just don't know -- it's not like they're great literature or anything, but I think... > > > if it were my son, I'd want them. I just don't know what to do. > > > > > > Susan H. > > > > > > > > >> One of the things that is especially helpful to children struggling with > > >> grief is a memory book. Since our memories of Drew are "virtual", we > > >> couldn't contribute photos or such, but the archives must have many threads > > >> that include the outrageous exchanges we had over the years with Drew in > > >> there fanning the flames. I wonder if it would be possible to put something > > >> together with snippets of his humor and insight and some typical teasing > > >> that might serve to remind her as the years pass of the kind of person her > > >> father was. Those could be put together in a scrapbook of sorts using > > >> online services and sent to Drew's family. We could even collaborate with > > >> them in creating something like that that included photos and such they > > >> would like to use to remember him and to preserve his memory. I we covered > > >> the cost, that would be a great memorial, and we could provide copies for > > >> each member of his family. > > > > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From BradM at blackforestltd.com Thu Oct 6 14:46:50 2011 From: BradM at blackforestltd.com (Brad Marks) Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2011 14:46:50 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] How to insert a record into an Access table that has an "Attachment" field (with VBA code) References: <4E591854.8090208@colbyconsulting.com><6BAD4B05F0474F8083137B9C25B1038C@HAL9007><4E597AE8.6269.28B4FE51@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: I have just started to experiment with product pictures. I have a small test table that only have two fields - Part_Number and Part_Picture (defined as an Attachment field). I can manually add data to this table, but I now want to add some test records with VBA code. I have made several attempts which did not work. I must be missing something. Does anyone have an example of how to do this? Thanks, Brad From fuller.artful at gmail.com Thu Oct 6 16:24:28 2011 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2011 17:24:28 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Drew Wutka memorial ideas In-Reply-To: References: <01b301cc83b5$741defe0$5c59cfa0$@winhaven.net> <4E8D0519.8080301@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: He taught me most of the stuff I know. I can't figure out why I am 10 years older and still alive. He was a very very very smart person. A. On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 11:28 AM, Mark A Matte wrote: > > I agree. Drew was also listed as "one of the giants of AccessD" in > Martin's book. > > Not sure his family knows that...but I think this is a good representation > of how he was viewed and appreciated by the list as a whole. > > Mark A. Matte > > > > > > Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2011 21:32:09 -0400 > > From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com > > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Drew Wutka memorial ideas > > > > I think they should be forwarded to the family. They might not know he > was "published". > > > > John W. Colby > > Colby Consulting > > > > On 10/5/2011 8:25 PM, Susan Harkins wrote: > > > I was trying to think if his mom would like my copies of the articles > we wrote -- some of them were > > > in print, in IMA and a few others. I thought about sending her the > actual journals. It seems kind of > > > silly, they won't really want to read them, but... do you think she'd > want them? He probably got a > > > copy, but if they find them, they probably won't realize what they're > dealing with -- will most > > > likely think they're just old technical journals and throw them out. On > the other hand, they might > > > not care -- I just don't know -- it's not like they're great literature > or anything, but I think... > > > if it were my son, I'd want them. I just don't know what to do. > > > > > > Susan H. > > > > > > > > >> One of the things that is especially helpful to children struggling > with > > >> grief is a memory book. Since our memories of Drew are "virtual", we > > >> couldn't contribute photos or such, but the archives must have many > threads > > >> that include the outrageous exchanges we had over the years with Drew > in > > >> there fanning the flames. I wonder if it would be possible to put > something > > >> together with snippets of his humor and insight and some typical > teasing > > >> that might serve to remind her as the years pass of the kind of person > her > > >> father was. Those could be put together in a scrapbook of sorts using > > >> online services and sent to Drew's family. We could even collaborate > with > > >> them in creating something like that that included photos and such > they > > >> would like to use to remember him and to preserve his memory. I we > covered > > >> the cost, that would be a great memorial, and we could provide copies > for > > >> each member of his family. > > > > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From kismert at gmail.com Thu Oct 6 17:50:28 2011 From: kismert at gmail.com (Kenneth Ismert) Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2011 17:50:28 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] FW: The passing of Drew Wutka Message-ID: I am sad to hear the news. Although I never met him, he felt like a friend. I will miss his curmudgeonly insight. -Ken From ssharkins at gmail.com Thu Oct 6 19:38:51 2011 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2011 20:38:51 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] 10 things I don't miss about Access Message-ID: <11C1B61285C842CF916599C780A8EE25@SusanHarkins> I wonder what Drew would say. Susan H. From kvanhuss at airrsystem.com Thu Oct 6 20:07:57 2011 From: kvanhuss at airrsystem.com (Kenneth W Van Huss) Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2011 20:07:57 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] What would Drew think? Message-ID: Many of you may not know that Drew was not formally trained in computer science but was self taught. He learned many things on his own, and as such named his discoveries to what suited him. Sometimes his discoveries were already known by other names in the development community. I remember about 9 years ago him telling me about "streamlining" or "downsizing" tables (that may not be what he called it as it was a long time ago). He said he was "talking" about it on the AccessD list and someone used the term normalizing a table, and if I remember correctly there was banter on the list about it. He was serious at the time, and thought normalization didn't really fit the situation. Some of you may recall the details, and I may not be conveying it correctly. But it was funny to me back then. Drew learned so much on his own, and didn't live within the limits or restraints of what Microsoft imposed. When he first started using ASP.NET, he felt Microsoft had taken away features that he found useful and used frequently in ASP. So he somehow hacked out a solution that gave him what Microsoft had taken away so the he could make .NET work the way he felt it should. For those old enough to know what an Enigma machine was, or those knowledgeable of WWII history, Drew created a program that emulated it. And these things he did for fun and entertainment. And don't tell Drew it can't be done. That was like a personal challenge, and he would show you it could be done just to prove you wrong. These are some of the many memories I have of Drew. Respectfully, Kenneth Van Huss -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2011 7:39 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: [AccessD] 10 things I don't miss about Access I wonder what Drew would say. Susan H. -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From charlotte.foust at gmail.com Thu Oct 6 20:45:48 2011 From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust) Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2011 18:45:48 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] 10 things I don't miss about Access In-Reply-To: <11C1B61285C842CF916599C780A8EE25@SusanHarkins> References: <11C1B61285C842CF916599C780A8EE25@SusanHarkins> Message-ID: He'd probably wonder what took you so long! LOL Charlotte Foust On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 5:38 PM, Susan Harkins wrote: > < > http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/10things/10-things-i-dont-miss-about-access/2758?alertspromo=100907&tag=nl.rSINGLE > > > > > I wonder what Drew would say. > > Susan H. > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > From john at winhaven.net Thu Oct 6 21:08:25 2011 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2011 21:08:25 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Drew Wutka's Obituary page Message-ID: <01d401cc8495$ffb642b0$ff22c810$@winhaven.net> http://www.turrentinejacksonmorrow.com/detail.php?id=6177 From adtp at airtelmail.in Thu Oct 6 23:17:15 2011 From: adtp at airtelmail.in (A.D. Tejpal) Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2011 09:47:15 +0530 Subject: [AccessD] Drew Wutka memorial ideas References: <01b301cc83b5$741defe0$5c59cfa0$@winhaven.net><4E8D0519.8080301@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: This is a question that remains has eternally defied any logical answer: Why should some one so exceptionally gifted, in prime of his life, leave us all of a sudden - out of turn? While one has to come to terms with inevitability of life & death, losing a genius like Drew in this untimely manner, comes as a rude shock to us all. He happened to be approximately 35 years younger to me and I have not had the opportunity to meet him personally. Despite the fact that Drew worked on a different plane, with dazzling brilliance, he was ever more than willing to help. With him on board, there was always the re-assurance that if any programming problem became too intricate, Drew would find a way. It is so sad that God's special children are often granted only a short time in this world. A.D. Tejpal ------------ ----- Original Message ----- From: Arthur Fuller To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Sent: Friday, October 07, 2011 02:54 Subject: Re: [AccessD] Drew Wutka memorial ideas He taught me most of the stuff I know. I can't figure out why I am 10 years older and still alive. He was a very very very smart person. A. On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 11:28 AM, Mark A Matte wrote: > > I agree. Drew was also listed as "one of the giants of AccessD" in > Martin's book. > > Not sure his family knows that...but I think this is a good representation > of how he was viewed and appreciated by the list as a whole. > > Mark A. Matte > > > > Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2011 21:32:09 -0400 > > From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com > > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Drew Wutka memorial ideas > > > > I think they should be forwarded to the family. They might not know he > was "published". > > > > John W. Colby > > Colby Consulting > > > > On 10/5/2011 8:25 PM, Susan Harkins wrote: > > > I was trying to think if his mom would like my copies of the articles > we wrote -- some of them were > > > in print, in IMA and a few others. I thought about sending her the > actual journals. It seems kind of > > > silly, they won't really want to read them, but... do you think she'd > want them? He probably got a > > > copy, but if they find them, they probably won't realize what they're > dealing with -- will most > > > likely think they're just old technical journals and throw them out. On > the other hand, they might > > > not care -- I just don't know -- it's not like they're great literature > or anything, but I think... > > > if it were my son, I'd want them. I just don't know what to do. > > > > > > Susan H. > > > > > > > > >> One of the things that is especially helpful to children struggling > with > > >> grief is a memory book. Since our memories of Drew are "virtual", we > > >> couldn't contribute photos or such, but the archives must have many > threads > > >> that include the outrageous exchanges we had over the years with Drew > in > > >> there fanning the flames. I wonder if it would be possible to put > something > > >> together with snippets of his humor and insight and some typical > teasing > > >> that might serve to remind her as the years pass of the kind of person > her > > >> father was. Those could be put together in a scrapbook of sorts using > > >> online services and sent to Drew's family. We could even collaborate > with > > >> them in creating something like that that included photos and such > they > > >> would like to use to remember him and to preserve his memory. I we > covered > > >> the cost, that would be a great memorial, and we could provide copies > for > > >> each member of his family. From stephen at bondsoftware.co.nz Fri Oct 7 02:58:30 2011 From: stephen at bondsoftware.co.nz (Stephen Bond) Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2011 20:58:30 +1300 Subject: [AccessD] Drew Wutka - one more memory Message-ID: If you were new to something, Drew would take the time. I'll never forget a posting from Drew on 27 Nov 2003 (I still have it). The subject was 'OT - Getting started with Web development', in response to a request from Paul Hartland (it helped me too). Drew's response was 1975 words, full of cogent explanation and advice. The last paragraph began ' Phew, what an email. This was fun to write though. ' He took the time to help. This is the measure of the man. Stephen Bond From jimdettman at verizon.net Fri Oct 7 07:29:59 2011 From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman) Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2011 08:29:59 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] 10 things I don't miss about Access In-Reply-To: <11C1B61285C842CF916599C780A8EE25@SusanHarkins> References: <11C1B61285C842CF916599C780A8EE25@SusanHarkins> Message-ID: Nice piece Susan! Jim. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2011 08:39 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: [AccessD] 10 things I don't miss about Access I wonder what Drew would say. Susan H. -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From ssharkins at gmail.com Fri Oct 7 07:57:54 2011 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2011 08:57:54 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] 10 things I don't miss about Access References: <11C1B61285C842CF916599C780A8EE25@SusanHarkins> Message-ID: <80D0947BE2CC4668BD260EC60216D168@SusanHarkins> Thanks Jim... I appreciate that. I tried hard not to tweak any noses. :) Susan H. > > Nice piece Susan! > > Jim. > > > s/2758?alertspromo=100907&tag=nl.rSINGLE> > > I wonder what Drew would say. > > Susan H. From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Fri Oct 7 10:19:36 2011 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2011 11:19:36 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] 10 things I don't miss about Access In-Reply-To: <80D0947BE2CC4668BD260EC60216D168@SusanHarkins> References: <11C1B61285C842CF916599C780A8EE25@SusanHarkins> <80D0947BE2CC4668BD260EC60216D168@SusanHarkins> Message-ID: <4E8F1888.1060800@colbyconsulting.com> Except maybe those that need tweaking. Microsoft (for not fixing bugs), idiots (for idiotic unfounded opinions) etc. ;) John W. Colby Colby Consulting On 10/7/2011 8:57 AM, Susan Harkins wrote: > Thanks Jim... I appreciate that. I tried hard not to tweak any noses. :) > > Susan H. >> >> Nice piece Susan! >> >> Jim. >> >> >> > s/2758?alertspromo=100907&tag=nl.rSINGLE> >> >> I wonder what Drew would say. >> >> Susan H. > From BradM at blackforestltd.com Fri Oct 7 11:06:42 2011 From: BradM at blackforestltd.com (Brad Marks) Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2011 11:06:42 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Images (jpg files) on Access 2007 Report Detail Lines (Report View) References: <4E591854.8090208@colbyconsulting.com><6BAD4B05F0474F8083137B9C25B1038C@HAL9007><4E597AE8.6269.28B4FE51@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: All, Earlier I posted a question about Attachment fields. I was able to find an answer to my question and I have a test application that works Okay, but it seems a bit complicated for what I am trying to do. I thought that if I explained what I am trying to accomplish, maybe someone would have some insights or suggestions. I am pulling "Part" information from a SQL Server database into Access 2007 via ODBC. One of the fields in the Parts table is the location of an image of the Part. (for example C:\Part_Images\Part001.jpg). I want to be able to use an Access 2007 Report (in Report View) to display the appropriate .jpg file for each detail line on the report. I am able to accomplish this via the use of a "temporary" Access table that has an Attachment field for the images. This works, but I wonder if there is a better/simpler approach. I have experimented with placing an "Image" on the Report Detail lines, with hopes of changing the Images's "Picture" property on the fly for each detail line on the report. I cannot figure out how to do this. Perhaps Access 2007 does not allow this when using "Report View". I would guess that others may have run into similar situations and may have some advice. Thanks for your help, Brad From dnod at aol.com Fri Oct 7 11:29:33 2011 From: dnod at aol.com (Dean Davids) Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2011 12:29:33 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Images (jpg files) on Access 2007 Report Detail Lines (Report View) In-Reply-To: References: <4E591854.8090208@colbyconsulting.com> <6BAD4B05F0474F8083137B9C25B1038C@HAL9007> <4E597AE8.6269.28B4FE51@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: I did this sort of thing some years ago and it worked well exactly as you are saying. Update the image property on print, I believe. I had started with tables and bound images but that failed miserably as soon as the number of records became substantial. Everything I know of the process, I learned from AD TejPal (forgive me if I missed that spelling). If you look up his posts I would defer to his expertise. I think he even has some sample databases out on the Access reference sites that cover what you are trying to do. It has been a long time time and I am an infrequent Access developer these days so I can offer very little help from memory. If you don't get anywhere I will see if I can pull out my own examples and refresh my brain. Dean S. Davids On Oct 7, 2011, at 12:06 PM, "Brad Marks" wrote: > All, > > Earlier I posted a question about Attachment fields. I was able to find > an answer to my question and I have a test application that works Okay, > but it seems a bit complicated for what I am trying to do. > > I thought that if I explained what I am trying to accomplish, maybe > someone would have some insights or suggestions. > > I am pulling "Part" information from a SQL Server database into Access > 2007 via ODBC. One of the fields in the Parts table is the location of > an image of the Part. (for example C:\Part_Images\Part001.jpg). > > I want to be able to use an Access 2007 Report (in Report View) to > display the appropriate .jpg file for each detail line on the report. > > I am able to accomplish this via the use of a "temporary" Access table > that has an Attachment field for the images. This works, but I wonder > if there is a better/simpler approach. > > I have experimented with placing an "Image" on the Report Detail lines, > with hopes of changing the Images's "Picture" property on the fly for > each detail line on the report. I cannot figure out how to do this. > Perhaps Access 2007 does not allow this when using "Report View". > > I would guess that others may have run into similar situations and may > have some advice. > > Thanks for your help, > > Brad > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jimdettman at verizon.net Fri Oct 7 12:21:35 2011 From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman) Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2011 13:21:35 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] 10 things I don't miss about Access In-Reply-To: <4E8F1888.1060800@colbyconsulting.com> References: <11C1B61285C842CF916599C780A8EE25@SusanHarkins> <80D0947BE2CC4668BD260EC60216D168@SusanHarkins> <4E8F1888.1060800@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <0A1EAA4694B846FEA8C6D842D4A8F6FF@XPS> I'd 2nd the first. Drives me nuts that they put products out before their ready, fix some things, then for others say "upgrade to the latest release to get the fix", which has it's own new set of bugs. Ugh. If I wrote software like that and said that, my clients would shoot me. Jim. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: Friday, October 07, 2011 11:20 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] 10 things I don't miss about Access Except maybe those that need tweaking. Microsoft (for not fixing bugs), idiots (for idiotic unfounded opinions) etc. ;) John W. Colby Colby Consulting On 10/7/2011 8:57 AM, Susan Harkins wrote: > Thanks Jim... I appreciate that. I tried hard not to tweak any noses. :) > > Susan H. >> >> Nice piece Susan! >> >> Jim. >> >> >> > s/2758?alertspromo=100907&tag=nl.rSINGLE> >> >> I wonder what Drew would say. >> >> Susan H. > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From marksimms at verizon.net Fri Oct 7 13:00:18 2011 From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms) Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2011 14:00:18 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] 10 things I don't miss about Access In-Reply-To: <0A1EAA4694B846FEA8C6D842D4A8F6FF@XPS> References: <11C1B61285C842CF916599C780A8EE25@SusanHarkins> <80D0947BE2CC4668BD260EC60216D168@SusanHarkins> <4E8F1888.1060800@colbyconsulting.com> <0A1EAA4694B846FEA8C6D842D4A8F6FF@XPS> Message-ID: <005f01cc851a$f9b87100$ed295300$@net> Listen-up guys. Right now under Balmer's direction and control, Microsoft has got to be considered to be in a state of CHAOS. PERIOD.(or should that be an exclamation mark !) The cloud and the handheld platform initiatives are likely taking resources away from their other business segments....like Office, Sharepoint, Visual Studio, etc. IMHO of course. > I'd 2nd the first. Drives me nuts that they put products out before > their > ready, fix some things, then for others say "upgrade to the latest > release > to get the fix", which has it's own new set of bugs. Ugh. > > If I wrote software like that and said that, my clients would shoot > me. From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Fri Oct 7 13:59:33 2011 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Sat, 08 Oct 2011 04:59:33 +1000 Subject: [AccessD] Images (jpg files) on Access 2007 Report Detail Lines (Report View) In-Reply-To: References: <4E591854.8090208@colbyconsulting.com>, , Message-ID: <4E8F4C15.31859.D51965B@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> I do this quite regularly with a simple text field to store the filename ( usually, I keep the images in a standard directory, just store the filename and build the full path/filename as required.) Then I just use something like this in the report: : Private Sub Detail_Format(Cancel As Integer, FormatCount As Integer) If PhotoName > "" And Dir$(PhotoDir() & PhotoName) > "" Then imgPhoto.Picture = PhotosDir() & PhotoName Else imgPhoto.Picture = PhotosDir() & "noimage.jpg" End If End Sub > > On Oct 7, 2011, at 12:06 PM, "Brad Marks" > wrote: > > > All, > > > > Earlier I posted a question about Attachment fields. I was able to > > find an answer to my question and I have a test application that > > works Okay, but it seems a bit complicated for what I am trying to > > do. > > > > I thought that if I explained what I am trying to accomplish, maybe > > someone would have some insights or suggestions. > > > > I am pulling "Part" information from a SQL Server database into > > Access 2007 via ODBC. One of the fields in the Parts table is the > > location of an image of the Part. (for example > > C:\Part_Images\Part001.jpg). > > > > I want to be able to use an Access 2007 Report (in Report View) to > > display the appropriate .jpg file for each detail line on the > > report. > > > > I am able to accomplish this via the use of a "temporary" Access > > table that has an Attachment field for the images. This works, but > > I wonder if there is a better/simpler approach. > > > > I have experimented with placing an "Image" on the Report Detail > > lines, with hopes of changing the Images's "Picture" property on the > > fly for each detail line on the report. I cannot figure out how to > > do this. Perhaps Access 2007 does not allow this when using "Report > > View". > > > > I would guess that others may have run into similar situations and > > may have some advice. > > > > Thanks for your help, > > > > Brad > > > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From kismert at gmail.com Fri Oct 7 15:13:57 2011 From: kismert at gmail.com (Kenneth Ismert) Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2011 15:13:57 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] OT - John Colby - volunteer work with Prisons - Minnesota Public Radio program Message-ID: I rarely make OT comments, but here's the exception: I see a lot of similarity between political belief and religious belief. Virtually all of us today were told of the political or religious framework we adhere to. Even those who seek almost never invent a novel set of beliefs, but simply pick from available alternatives. We choose our belief systems for reasons that have very little to to with logic, and everything to do with emotion. Proof of this is that our tenets rarely hold up to unbiased, scientific scrutiny. If a particular belief was provably correct, shouldn't it be universally accepted, like the laws of gravitation, or the Pythagorean theorem? And yet, problematic as they are, our beliefs are very real to us, perhaps more real than any other aspect of our existence. So, we find ourselves today in this setting of global competing passed-down dogmas, that are fiercely believed in and passionately championed, in spite of scarce proof. In the old days, the obvious and often-used resolution to these conflicts was to kill or imprison the others, the infidels, the political apostates. For all their problems, frailties, and pitfalls, there is one thing that can be unequivocally said about modern, religion-neutral democracies: the streets are almost entirely free of bloodshed when power changes hands or religious movements gain ground, and the prisons are remarkably free of political and religious prisoners. So, before we give up, and condemn our current systems to the dust bin, let us consider the achievements of our more enlightened societies and their political systems. We have difficulties because these systems are imperfect. But anyone who suggests, or implies, that we should revert to the political systems of old has forgotten what truly horrible things those historical regimes could be. The only real way forward is to invent new structures that address our current grievances, while embedding even more deeply respect for our differences, based on a more solid, fundamental and complete understanding of who we are as as species. That is the current belief I irrationally and emotionally adhere to. -Ken ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: jwcolby > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving < > accessd at databaseadvisors.com> > Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2011 10:36:41 -0400 > Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT - John Colby - volunteer work with Prisons - > Minnesota Public Radio program > Dan, > > Sadly politics is broken, not just in the US but around the world. > > I did an 8 month training, one full weekend a month to learn to be an > advocate for people with disabilities. My daughter Allie has many > disabilities caused by a genetic duplication. One of the weekends was > dedicated to educating us on the political system, what special interests > means, lobbying and so forth. > > Elections are won with advertising, advertising costs money, and companies > (mostly) have money. But in the end it all comes down to people. Everyone > believes what they believe, are (have been) convinced of the "truth" of > their belief system. > > Republicans really do believe that government has no business being in the > "help" business, that it is the job of the people to help each other. > Democrats believe the opposite. People have become jaded and believe that > nobody cares any more and so stop caring themselves. > > Ignoring the names of the political parties, this is not an American > problem it is a world problem, which occurs any time there are so many > people that we no longer know our neighbors. I don't mean "know their face" > I mean "get to know" our neighbors. > > What we were shown in that weekend is that the primary job of a politician > is to get re-elected. The politician him/herself has a belief system but > unless (s)he can get (re)elected (s)he cannot implement the belief system. > Once elected, there are so many conflicting interests that (s)he cannot > really function effectively. > > The system truly is broken, and probably always has been. > > The only hope for mankind is for us to realize that we all stand together > or we all fall alone. People have to individually make an effort to help > others less fortunate than ourselves. Which is a lot of work, and there is > a college football game on... and after that is Dancing with the Stars... > and besides, what difference can I really make? > > :) > > > John W. Colby > Colby Consulting > > On 10/4/2011 5:17 PM, Dan Waters wrote: > >> John- some of this will change in the next election. Unfortunately, too >> many people need to learn things the hard way. And learning that voting >> carefully, not emotionally, is actually important. Politics is not a >> reality TV show - it's real people really getting hurt. >> >> Dan >> > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Arthur Fuller > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving < > accessd at databaseadvisors.com> > Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2011 11:10:51 -0400 > Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT - John Colby - volunteer work with Prisons - > Minnesota Public Radio program > I think that you are onto something here, JWC. And I am seriously unsure of > the consequences that I draw, but here they are: > > 1. Political parties of whatever stripe are by definition attacks on > popular > opinion. I don't see any other way to see this. Let us for example take a > hypothetical voter who is against abortion and also against religious > instruction in public schools. No party represents this theoretical person. > The inevitable result is that I choose the party that shares the most > number > of values and propositions with me, and that SUCKS. > > Tomorrow is Election Day in Ontario, and various polls indicate that either > the Libs or the Cons are slated to have a minority win, and in either case > that means that my party, the NDP, is going to hold the balance of power. > > On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 10:36 AM, jwcolby >wrote: > > From df.waters at comcast.net Fri Oct 7 16:04:33 2011 From: df.waters at comcast.net (Dan Waters) Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2011 16:04:33 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] OT - John Colby - volunteer work with Prisons - Minnesota Public Radio program In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <002d01cc8534$b6ba2d70$242e8850$@comcast.net> John - Nice Writeup! Our system is actually pretty good now, although I think that we really do need to go to public financing only for elected officials. With public financing, the only people our elected officials will be interested in is the people who vote for them, because there won't be anyone (or any corporation) funding their reelection campaigns. Our current Republicans, in the House, and in my Minnesota Legislature, seem to be beholden to a few very wealthy interests, and the US won't last too long if that continues to be the model of our government. Luckily in MN we elected a Democratic governor (by only 9000 votes), so the worst of what they wanted to do was avoided. Thanks! Dan PS - I believe that God (may have) created the universe. And since then he has not interfered. (I know - it's safe. But I'm sticking with it!) -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kenneth Ismert Sent: Friday, October 07, 2011 3:14 PM To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT - John Colby - volunteer work with Prisons - Minnesota Public Radio program I rarely make OT comments, but here's the exception: I see a lot of similarity between political belief and religious belief. Virtually all of us today were told of the political or religious framework we adhere to. Even those who seek almost never invent a novel set of beliefs, but simply pick from available alternatives. We choose our belief systems for reasons that have very little to to with logic, and everything to do with emotion. Proof of this is that our tenets rarely hold up to unbiased, scientific scrutiny. If a particular belief was provably correct, shouldn't it be universally accepted, like the laws of gravitation, or the Pythagorean theorem? And yet, problematic as they are, our beliefs are very real to us, perhaps more real than any other aspect of our existence. So, we find ourselves today in this setting of global competing passed-down dogmas, that are fiercely believed in and passionately championed, in spite of scarce proof. In the old days, the obvious and often-used resolution to these conflicts was to kill or imprison the others, the infidels, the political apostates. For all their problems, frailties, and pitfalls, there is one thing that can be unequivocally said about modern, religion-neutral democracies: the streets are almost entirely free of bloodshed when power changes hands or religious movements gain ground, and the prisons are remarkably free of political and religious prisoners. So, before we give up, and condemn our current systems to the dust bin, let us consider the achievements of our more enlightened societies and their political systems. We have difficulties because these systems are imperfect. But anyone who suggests, or implies, that we should revert to the political systems of old has forgotten what truly horrible things those historical regimes could be. The only real way forward is to invent new structures that address our current grievances, while embedding even more deeply respect for our differences, based on a more solid, fundamental and complete understanding of who we are as as species. That is the current belief I irrationally and emotionally adhere to. -Ken ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: jwcolby > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving < > accessd at databaseadvisors.com> > Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2011 10:36:41 -0400 > Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT - John Colby - volunteer work with Prisons - > Minnesota Public Radio program Dan, > > Sadly politics is broken, not just in the US but around the world. > > I did an 8 month training, one full weekend a month to learn to be an > advocate for people with disabilities. My daughter Allie has many > disabilities caused by a genetic duplication. One of the weekends was > dedicated to educating us on the political system, what special > interests means, lobbying and so forth. > > Elections are won with advertising, advertising costs money, and > companies > (mostly) have money. But in the end it all comes down to people. > Everyone believes what they believe, are (have been) convinced of the > "truth" of their belief system. > > Republicans really do believe that government has no business being in > the "help" business, that it is the job of the people to help each other. > Democrats believe the opposite. People have become jaded and believe > that nobody cares any more and so stop caring themselves. > > Ignoring the names of the political parties, this is not an American > problem it is a world problem, which occurs any time there are so many > people that we no longer know our neighbors. I don't mean "know their face" > I mean "get to know" our neighbors. > > What we were shown in that weekend is that the primary job of a > politician is to get re-elected. The politician him/herself has a > belief system but unless (s)he can get (re)elected (s)he cannot implement the belief system. > Once elected, there are so many conflicting interests that (s)he > cannot really function effectively. > > The system truly is broken, and probably always has been. > > The only hope for mankind is for us to realize that we all stand > together or we all fall alone. People have to individually make an > effort to help others less fortunate than ourselves. Which is a lot > of work, and there is a college football game on... and after that is Dancing with the Stars... > and besides, what difference can I really make? > > :) > > > John W. Colby > Colby Consulting > > On 10/4/2011 5:17 PM, Dan Waters wrote: > >> John- some of this will change in the next election. Unfortunately, >> too many people need to learn things the hard way. And learning that >> voting carefully, not emotionally, is actually important. Politics >> is not a reality TV show - it's real people really getting hurt. >> >> Dan >> > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Arthur Fuller > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving < > accessd at databaseadvisors.com> > Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2011 11:10:51 -0400 > Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT - John Colby - volunteer work with Prisons - > Minnesota Public Radio program I think that you are onto something > here, JWC. And I am seriously unsure of the consequences that I draw, > but here they are: > > 1. Political parties of whatever stripe are by definition attacks on > popular opinion. I don't see any other way to see this. Let us for > example take a hypothetical voter who is against abortion and also > against religious instruction in public schools. No party represents > this theoretical person. > The inevitable result is that I choose the party that shares the most > number of values and propositions with me, and that SUCKS. > > Tomorrow is Election Day in Ontario, and various polls indicate that > either the Libs or the Cons are slated to have a minority win, and in > either case that means that my party, the NDP, is going to hold the balance of power. > > On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 10:36 AM, jwcolby >wrote: > > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Fri Oct 7 16:10:25 2011 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2011 14:10:25 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] The Puzzle of Pancreatic Cancer: How Steve Jobs Did Not Beat the Odds--but Nobel Winner Ralph Steinman Did Message-ID: <30464E6BB70D47E4ADB7CB9AD4B82CF7@HAL9007> http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=pancreatic-cancer-type-jobs &WT.mc_id=SA_CAT_BS_20111007 Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software 858-259-4334 www.bchacc.com www.e-z-mrp.com From gustav at cactus.dk Fri Oct 7 16:47:10 2011 From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2011 23:47:10 +0200 Subject: [AccessD] 10 things I don't miss about Access Message-ID: Hi Susan You failed! Go to the bottom here ... but you have been warned: http://www.experts-exchange.com/Microsoft/Development/MS_Access/Q_27290867.html#a36933671 /gustav >>> ssharkins at gmail.com 07-10-2011 14:57 >>> Thanks Jim... I appreciate that. I tried hard not to tweak any noses. :) From ssharkins at gmail.com Fri Oct 7 16:57:23 2011 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2011 17:57:23 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] 10 things I don't miss about Access References: Message-ID: What am I looking for? Susan H. > Hi Susan > > You failed! > Go to the bottom here ... but you have been warned: > > http://www.experts-exchange.com/Microsoft/Development/MS_Access/Q_27290867.html#a36933671 > > /gustav > >>>> ssharkins at gmail.com 07-10-2011 14:57 >>> > Thanks Jim... I appreciate that. I tried hard not to tweak any noses. :) From jimdettman at verizon.net Fri Oct 7 17:42:28 2011 From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman) Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2011 18:42:28 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] 10 things I don't miss about Access In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1151AFBB-05CD-479D-8E94-EBC3B7AF7962@verizon.net> Gustav If you would, please post a link using the share feature at the top of the question That will allow everyone to read the thread with logged in view if they want to look. I'd do it but I am on mobile and you don't get the share option with that view. If you don't do it, I'll post latter when I get home Thanks Jim Sent from my iPhone On Oct 7, 2011, at 5:57 PM, "Susan Harkins" wrote: > What am I looking for? > > Susan H. > > >> Hi Susan >> >> You failed! >> Go to the bottom here ... but you have been warned: >> >> http://www.experts-exchange.com/Microsoft/Development/MS_Access/Q_27290867.html#a36933671 >> >> /gustav >> >>>>> ssharkins at gmail.com 07-10-2011 14:57 >>> >> Thanks Jim... I appreciate that. I tried hard not to tweak any noses. :) > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Fri Oct 7 18:09:16 2011 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2011 16:09:16 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] 10 things I don't miss about Access In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: What's it say - not a subscriber so I can't see it. Rocky -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: Friday, October 07, 2011 2:47 PM To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [AccessD] 10 things I don't miss about Access Hi Susan You failed! Go to the bottom here ... but you have been warned: http://www.experts-exchange.com/Microsoft/Development/MS_Access/Q_27290867.h tml#a36933671 /gustav >>> ssharkins at gmail.com 07-10-2011 14:57 >>> Thanks Jim... I appreciate that. I tried hard not to tweak any noses. :) -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jimdettman at verizon.net Fri Oct 7 18:18:56 2011 From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman) Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2011 19:18:56 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] 10 things I don't miss about Access In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Rocky, I'll post a link a little latter that will allow you and everyone else to read it without a sign-up. Jim Sent from my iPhone On Oct 7, 2011, at 7:09 PM, "Rocky Smolin" wrote: > What's it say - not a subscriber so I can't see it. > > Rocky > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock > Sent: Friday, October 07, 2011 2:47 PM > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com > Subject: Re: [AccessD] 10 things I don't miss about Access > > Hi Susan > > You failed! > Go to the bottom here ... but you have been warned: > > http://www.experts-exchange.com/Microsoft/Development/MS_Access/Q_27290867.h > tml#a36933671 > > /gustav > >>>> ssharkins at gmail.com 07-10-2011 14:57 >>> > Thanks Jim... I appreciate that. I tried hard not to tweak any noses. :) > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From ab-mi at post3.tele.dk Sat Oct 8 07:37:48 2011 From: ab-mi at post3.tele.dk (Asger Blond) Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2011 14:37:48 +0200 Subject: [AccessD] OT - John Colby - volunteer work with Prisons - Minnesota Public Radio program In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <01018F7E24CF49339BA54E4B38BC877F@abpc> Wise words - as are Winston Churchill's: "Many forms of Government have been tried, and will be tried in this world of sin and woe. No one pretends that democracy is perfect or all-wise. Indeed it has been said that democracy is the worst form of Government except for all those other forms that have been tried from time to time." Asger -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Kenneth Ismert Sendt: 7. oktober 2011 22:14 Til: accessd at databaseadvisors.com Emne: Re: [AccessD] OT - John Colby - volunteer work with Prisons - Minnesota Public Radio program I rarely make OT comments, but here's the exception: I see a lot of similarity between political belief and religious belief. Virtually all of us today were told of the political or religious framework we adhere to. Even those who seek almost never invent a novel set of beliefs, but simply pick from available alternatives. We choose our belief systems for reasons that have very little to to with logic, and everything to do with emotion. Proof of this is that our tenets rarely hold up to unbiased, scientific scrutiny. If a particular belief was provably correct, shouldn't it be universally accepted, like the laws of gravitation, or the Pythagorean theorem? And yet, problematic as they are, our beliefs are very real to us, perhaps more real than any other aspect of our existence. So, we find ourselves today in this setting of global competing passed-down dogmas, that are fiercely believed in and passionately championed, in spite of scarce proof. In the old days, the obvious and often-used resolution to these conflicts was to kill or imprison the others, the infidels, the political apostates. For all their problems, frailties, and pitfalls, there is one thing that can be unequivocally said about modern, religion-neutral democracies: the streets are almost entirely free of bloodshed when power changes hands or religious movements gain ground, and the prisons are remarkably free of political and religious prisoners. So, before we give up, and condemn our current systems to the dust bin, let us consider the achievements of our more enlightened societies and their political systems. We have difficulties because these systems are imperfect. But anyone who suggests, or implies, that we should revert to the political systems of old has forgotten what truly horrible things those historical regimes could be. The only real way forward is to invent new structures that address our current grievances, while embedding even more deeply respect for our differences, based on a more solid, fundamental and complete understanding of who we are as as species. That is the current belief I irrationally and emotionally adhere to. -Ken ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: jwcolby > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving < > accessd at databaseadvisors.com> > Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2011 10:36:41 -0400 > Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT - John Colby - volunteer work with Prisons - > Minnesota Public Radio program > Dan, > > Sadly politics is broken, not just in the US but around the world. > > I did an 8 month training, one full weekend a month to learn to be an > advocate for people with disabilities. My daughter Allie has many > disabilities caused by a genetic duplication. One of the weekends was > dedicated to educating us on the political system, what special interests > means, lobbying and so forth. > > Elections are won with advertising, advertising costs money, and companies > (mostly) have money. But in the end it all comes down to people. Everyone > believes what they believe, are (have been) convinced of the "truth" of > their belief system. > > Republicans really do believe that government has no business being in the > "help" business, that it is the job of the people to help each other. > Democrats believe the opposite. People have become jaded and believe that > nobody cares any more and so stop caring themselves. > > Ignoring the names of the political parties, this is not an American > problem it is a world problem, which occurs any time there are so many > people that we no longer know our neighbors. I don't mean "know their face" > I mean "get to know" our neighbors. > > What we were shown in that weekend is that the primary job of a politician > is to get re-elected. The politician him/herself has a belief system but > unless (s)he can get (re)elected (s)he cannot implement the belief system. > Once elected, there are so many conflicting interests that (s)he cannot > really function effectively. > > The system truly is broken, and probably always has been. > > The only hope for mankind is for us to realize that we all stand together > or we all fall alone. People have to individually make an effort to help > others less fortunate than ourselves. Which is a lot of work, and there is > a college football game on... and after that is Dancing with the Stars... > and besides, what difference can I really make? > > :) > > > John W. Colby > Colby Consulting > > On 10/4/2011 5:17 PM, Dan Waters wrote: > >> John- some of this will change in the next election. Unfortunately, too >> many people need to learn things the hard way. And learning that voting >> carefully, not emotionally, is actually important. Politics is not a >> reality TV show - it's real people really getting hurt. >> >> Dan >> > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Arthur Fuller > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving < > accessd at databaseadvisors.com> > Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2011 11:10:51 -0400 > Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT - John Colby - volunteer work with Prisons - > Minnesota Public Radio program > I think that you are onto something here, JWC. And I am seriously unsure of > the consequences that I draw, but here they are: > > 1. Political parties of whatever stripe are by definition attacks on > popular > opinion. I don't see any other way to see this. Let us for example take a > hypothetical voter who is against abortion and also against religious > instruction in public schools. No party represents this theoretical person. > The inevitable result is that I choose the party that shares the most > number > of values and propositions with me, and that SUCKS. > > Tomorrow is Election Day in Ontario, and various polls indicate that either > the Libs or the Cons are slated to have a minority win, and in either case > that means that my party, the NDP, is going to hold the balance of power. > > On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 10:36 AM, jwcolby >wrote: > > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jimdettman at verizon.net Sat Oct 8 08:12:59 2011 From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman) Date: Sat, 08 Oct 2011 09:12:59 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] 10 things I don't miss about Access In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: OK, for those interested, here's the link that will give you a logged in view of the EE thread that gustav mentioned: http://rdsrc.us/lIghoA Comments on Susan's article are the last fifteen or so comments at the bottom of the thread (about 2/3'rds of the way down - first comment was posted 10/7 at 4:29 pm). This is a continually running thread we have in the Access Zone, so there is a lot of stuff in the beginning that doesn't apply. Jim. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman Sent: Friday, October 07, 2011 07:19 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] 10 things I don't miss about Access Rocky, I'll post a link a little latter that will allow you and everyone else to read it without a sign-up. Jim Sent from my iPhone On Oct 7, 2011, at 7:09 PM, "Rocky Smolin" wrote: > What's it say - not a subscriber so I can't see it. > > Rocky > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock > Sent: Friday, October 07, 2011 2:47 PM > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com > Subject: Re: [AccessD] 10 things I don't miss about Access > > Hi Susan > > You failed! > Go to the bottom here ... but you have been warned: > > http://www.experts-exchange.com/Microsoft/Development/MS_Access/Q_27290867.h > tml#a36933671 > > /gustav > >>>> ssharkins at gmail.com 07-10-2011 14:57 >>> > Thanks Jim... I appreciate that. I tried hard not to tweak any noses. :) > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From ssharkins at gmail.com Sat Oct 8 09:38:08 2011 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2011 10:38:08 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] 10 things I don't miss about Access References: Message-ID: Wow... I'm always surprised when someone takes such a 180% turn of what I've written. It's like they don't really read what I've written at all. They don't agree with a specific point or they read the headings. Thanks to you and Gustav for championing my true intent. I appreciate that. FWIW, the people that fuss the loudest about my opinions, seem to have much stronger ones than mine. I always find that... interesting. And of course, after they trash you, sometimes personally, they get even madder because you don't say, "Oh my, you're so right, thank you for saving me from my folly!" I love Access, always have. I'm sorry to see MS taking it in the direction they have, but even so, I can still admit Access' short-comings. I think that's just being realistic and frankly, you need to do that in order to give your clients/users the best of what they really need. I love Access, but I'm not a junkie. :) Susan H. > > OK, for those interested, here's the link that will give you a logged in > view of the EE thread that gustav mentioned: > > http://rdsrc.us/lIghoA > > Comments on Susan's article are the last fifteen or so comments at the > bottom of the thread (about 2/3'rds of the way down - first comment was > posted 10/7 at 4:29 pm). > > This is a continually running thread we have in the Access Zone, so there > is a lot of stuff in the beginning that doesn't apply. From jimdettman at verizon.net Sat Oct 8 11:37:30 2011 From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman) Date: Sat, 08 Oct 2011 12:37:30 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] 10 things I don't miss about Access In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <584522BE54DB429788CFBDFD3D1D6073@XPS> Susan, Yes, I was surprised myself. First question I asked was; didn't they read it? Personally I think you hit it right on and they missed the point (and intent) entirely. The points you made were all ones that Access developers have lived with over the years. And FWIW, I KNOW they all have had to deal with the same issues(except for maybe Mark, who posted that first comment), which is why I don't understand some of those comments. And I do think your right; Microsoft is sliding Access towards the end-user end of the scale. We here all know it's much more then that, but it always has been marketed as an end-user tool and Microsoft seems to be focusing on that once again. Last couple of releases have been focused on simplifying things and adding end-user features rather then anything for developers. And long standing developer problems are simply not being addressed. What I see happening is Microsoft moving away from VBA for all of Office. Access developers will be either pushed into VS or Lightswitch, which will become Microsoft's light weight/RAD app development tool. Access may or may not remain in Office, but if it does, I think it will become a much simpler product. And before everyone gets up in arms about the "light weight" comment above, I do understand that you can do a wide range of things with Access and I do love it for that. But it does have some serious limitations. Access developers have been ingenious over the years in working around a lot of those limitations (i.e. lack of third party controls), but it has two serious problems that nothing can be done about; corruption and sensitivity to its environment. The latter is more of a reference to VBA and references, but how many of us have dealt with app install issues with either the full or run-time version? Or multiple versions on the same machine? If I asked those questions in a room full of developers, I bet you just about every hand would be raised. Personally I've been looking to move away from Access for quite some time as I am tired of dealing with the environment problems and the eye rolling every time I mention it. But I made the mistake of focusing on VFP. While it was more work then Access, it was also a lot more on the "developer" end of the scale. There was not much that you couldn't do with it. It was no where near as user friendly though. Just about everything was done from the command window. In fact I got laughed at a bit when I complained that I couldn't get the query designer to do a simple two table join right. The response was "no serious developer uses that". My only come back was "Why is it called VISUAL VFP then?" Got a lot of grumbles after that But the data environment alone when working with forms is something Access developers would kill for. Add to that the ability to compile into a true .EXE, work with just about any 3rd party control, build COM objects or DLL's, having unit testing capability, and being able to do n-tier designs, and it made it quite attractive. Microsoft unfortunately killed it just as I was coming up to speed with it, so I was back to square one looking for the next best thing. I keep trying to get into VS, but I keep getting pulled back into Access. I guess I should be thankful I'm still working and for all those users that do get in over their heads. Jim. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins Sent: Saturday, October 08, 2011 10:38 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] 10 things I don't miss about Access Wow... I'm always surprised when someone takes such a 180% turn of what I've written. It's like they don't really read what I've written at all. They don't agree with a specific point or they read the headings. Thanks to you and Gustav for championing my true intent. I appreciate that. FWIW, the people that fuss the loudest about my opinions, seem to have much stronger ones than mine. I always find that... interesting. And of course, after they trash you, sometimes personally, they get even madder because you don't say, "Oh my, you're so right, thank you for saving me from my folly!" I love Access, always have. I'm sorry to see MS taking it in the direction they have, but even so, I can still admit Access' short-comings. I think that's just being realistic and frankly, you need to do that in order to give your clients/users the best of what they really need. I love Access, but I'm not a junkie. :) Susan H. > > OK, for those interested, here's the link that will give you a logged in > view of the EE thread that gustav mentioned: > > http://rdsrc.us/lIghoA > > Comments on Susan's article are the last fifteen or so comments at the > bottom of the thread (about 2/3'rds of the way down - first comment was > posted 10/7 at 4:29 pm). > > This is a continually running thread we have in the Access Zone, so there > is a lot of stuff in the beginning that doesn't apply. -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Sat Oct 8 11:51:20 2011 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Sat, 08 Oct 2011 12:51:20 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] 10 things I don't miss about Access In-Reply-To: <584522BE54DB429788CFBDFD3D1D6073@XPS> References: <584522BE54DB429788CFBDFD3D1D6073@XPS> Message-ID: <4E907F88.6040905@colbyconsulting.com> >but it has two serious problems that nothing can be done about; corruption and sensitivity to its environment. Add another serious limitation, single threaded operation. And for programmers, lack of any kind of inheritance. I tried to build a sql server driver application in Access and failed miserably, and I have about as good a grasp of VBA as you will find. SQL Server would go out and do something for 15 minutes and the Access interface just locked up. SQL Server can do one or a hundred things simultaneously, but Access can only cause it to do one thing at a time, because Access only has one thread. I switched to C# and voila, I have a manager and three supervisors (4 threads) running asynchronous tasks simultaneously. SQL Server is doing BCP out and BCP in simultaneously and a supervisor is shoveling the files out to a VM for third party processing and pulling result files back in when that app is finished with a file. All with three separate status panes announcing progress to the user (me). Updating SQL Server supervisor and process flags to log the state of the process. C# is in another league entirely in terms of raw ability. John W. Colby Colby Consulting On 10/8/2011 12:37 PM, Jim Dettman wrote: > Susan, > > Yes, I was surprised myself. First question I asked was; didn't they read > it? Personally I think you hit it right on and they missed the point (and > intent) entirely. > > The points you made were all ones that Access developers have lived with > over the years. And FWIW, I KNOW they all have had to deal with the same > issues(except for maybe Mark, who posted that first comment), which is why I > don't understand some of those comments. > > And I do think your right; Microsoft is sliding Access towards the end-user > end of the scale. We here all know it's much more then that, but it always > has been marketed as an end-user tool and Microsoft seems to be focusing on > that once again. Last couple of releases have been focused on simplifying > things and adding end-user features rather then anything for developers. > And long standing developer problems are simply not being addressed. > > What I see happening is Microsoft moving away from VBA for all of Office. > Access developers will be either pushed into VS or Lightswitch, which will > become Microsoft's light weight/RAD app development tool. Access may or may > not remain in Office, but if it does, I think it will become a much simpler > product. > > And before everyone gets up in arms about the "light weight" comment above, > I do understand that you can do a wide range of things with Access and I do > love it for that. But it does have some serious limitations. Access > developers have been ingenious over the years in working around a lot of > those limitations (i.e. lack of third party controls), but it has two > serious problems that nothing can be done about; corruption and sensitivity > to its environment. The latter is more of a reference to VBA and > references, but how many of us have dealt with app install issues with > either the full or run-time version? Or multiple versions on the same > machine? If I asked those questions in a room full of developers, I bet you > just about every hand would be raised. > > Personally I've been looking to move away from Access for quite some time > as I am tired of dealing with the environment problems and the eye rolling > every time I mention it. But I made the mistake of focusing on VFP. While > it was more work then Access, it was also a lot more on the "developer" end > of the scale. There was not much that you couldn't do with it. It was no > where near as user friendly though. Just about everything was done from the > command window. In fact I got laughed at a bit when I complained that I > couldn't get the query designer to do a simple two table join right. The > response was "no serious developer uses that". My only come back was "Why > is it called VISUAL VFP then?" Got a lot of grumbles after that > > But the data environment alone when working with forms is something Access > developers would kill for. Add to that the ability to compile into a true > .EXE, work with just about any 3rd party control, build COM objects or > DLL's, having unit testing capability, and being able to do n-tier designs, > and it made it quite attractive. Microsoft unfortunately killed it just as > I was coming up to speed with it, so I was back to square one looking for > the next best thing. I keep trying to get into VS, but I keep getting > pulled back into Access. > > I guess I should be thankful I'm still working and for all those users > that do get in over their heads. > > Jim. From ssharkins at gmail.com Sat Oct 8 12:32:17 2011 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2011 13:32:17 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] 10 things I don't miss about Access References: <584522BE54DB429788CFBDFD3D1D6073@XPS> Message-ID: <627C21E726D54A59AD773CEE5025CCEF@SusanHarkins> Jim, you must have been reading my diary again. :) Susan H. > > And I do think your right; Microsoft is sliding Access towards the > end-user > end of the scale. We here all know it's much more then that, but it > always > has been marketed as an end-user tool and Microsoft seems to be focusing > on > that once again. Last couple of releases have been focused on simplifying > things and adding end-user features rather then anything for developers. > And long standing developer problems are simply not being addressed. > > What I see happening is Microsoft moving away from VBA for all of Office. > Access developers will be either pushed into VS or Lightswitch, which will > become Microsoft's light weight/RAD app development tool. Access may or > may > not remain in Office, but if it does, I think it will become a much > simpler > product. > > And before everyone gets up in arms about the "light weight" comment > above, > I do understand that you can do a wide range of things with Access and I > do > love it for that. But it does have some serious limitations. Access > developers have been ingenious over the years in working around a lot of > those limitations (i.e. lack of third party controls), but it has two > serious problems that nothing can be done about; corruption and > sensitivity > to its environment. The latter is more of a reference to VBA and > references, but how many of us have dealt with app install issues with > either the full or run-time version? Or multiple versions on the same > machine? If I asked those questions in a room full of developers, I bet > you > just about every hand would be raised. From BradM at blackforestltd.com Sat Oct 8 13:40:42 2011 From: BradM at blackforestltd.com (Brad Marks) Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2011 13:40:42 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Images (jpg files) on Access 2007 Report Detail Lines(Report View) References: <4E591854.8090208@colbyconsulting.com>, , <4E8F4C15.31859.D51965B@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: Stuart, Thanks for the help, I appreciate it. I put together a little test Access 2007 application and employed your ideas on how to place images (.jpg) files on Report Detail lines. This approach worked nicely when I opened the report with ?acViewPreview?. However, when I opened the report with ?acViewReport?, it appears that the Report?s Detail Line ?On Format? Event is not fired and therefore I am not able to change the ?Picture? property of the image to plug in the name of the desired jpg file. The other reports in the application that I am working on use acViewReport so that the users can have drill-downs, dynamic sorts, and dynamic filters. I would therefore like to stay with acViewReport if possible. Thanks again for the help. I am beginning to think that I might be trying to do something that is not easy to accomplish with acViewReport (Report View). Brad -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com on behalf of Stuart McLachlan Sent: Fri 10/7/2011 1:59 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Images (jpg files) on Access 2007 Report Detail Lines(Report View) I do this quite regularly with a simple text field to store the filename ( usually, I keep the images in a standard directory, just store the filename and build the full path/filename as required.) Then I just use something like this in the report: : Private Sub Detail_Format(Cancel As Integer, FormatCount As Integer) If PhotoName > "" And Dir$(PhotoDir() & PhotoName) > "" Then imgPhoto.Picture = PhotosDir() & PhotoName Else imgPhoto.Picture = PhotosDir() & "noimage.jpg" End If End Sub > > On Oct 7, 2011, at 12:06 PM, "Brad Marks" > wrote: > > > All, > > > > Earlier I posted a question about Attachment fields. I was able to > > find an answer to my question and I have a test application that > > works Okay, but it seems a bit complicated for what I am trying to > > do. > > > > I thought that if I explained what I am trying to accomplish, maybe > > someone would have some insights or suggestions. > > > > I am pulling "Part" information from a SQL Server database into > > Access 2007 via ODBC. One of the fields in the Parts table is the > > location of an image of the Part. (for example > > C:\Part_Images\Part001.jpg). > > > > I want to be able to use an Access 2007 Report (in Report View) to > > display the appropriate .jpg file for each detail line on the > > report. > > > > I am able to accomplish this via the use of a "temporary" Access > > table that has an Attachment field for the images. This works, but > > I wonder if there is a better/simpler approach. > > > > I have experimented with placing an "Image" on the Report Detail > > lines, with hopes of changing the Images's "Picture" property on the > > fly for each detail line on the report. I cannot figure out how to > > do this. Perhaps Access 2007 does not allow this when using "Report > > View". > > > > I would guess that others may have run into similar situations and > > may have some advice. > > > > Thanks for your help, > > > > Brad > > > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. From rbgajewski at roadrunner.com Sat Oct 8 16:36:46 2011 From: rbgajewski at roadrunner.com (Bob Gajewski) Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2011 17:36:46 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Images (jpg files) on Access 2007 Report DetailLines(Report View) In-Reply-To: References: <4E591854.8090208@colbyconsulting.com>, , <4E8F4C15.31859.D51965B@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <80F4728D638C4A689EECE904399EEF19@7B440585K> Hi Brad Here is some given to me by Gustav many moons ago .. And it has worked flawlessly ... Regards, Bob Gajewski Private Sub Detail_Format(Cancel As Integer, FormatCount As Integer) '******************** Code Begin **************** 'Code courtesy of Terry Kreft & Ken Getz '(modified from Function to Subroutine) Dim strDBName As String Dim strDBPath As String Dim strDBFile As String strDBName = CurrentDb.Name strDBFile = Dir(strDBName) strDBPath = Left(strDBName, Len(strDBName) - Len(strDBFile)) '******************** Code End ****************** '******************** Code Begin **************** 'Code courtesy of David McAfee and Gustav Brock '(modified for database specifics) Dim strPicture As String Dim strIsPicture As String Dim strNoPicture As String strIsPicture = strDBPath & "photos\mbr" & Format([MemberNumber], "000") & ".jpg" strNoPicture = strDBPath & "photos\nophoto.jpg" If Len(Dir(strIsPicture, vbNormal)) > 0 Then strPicture = strIsPicture Else strPicture = strNoPicture End If Me!imgMemberPhoto.Picture = strPicture '******************** Code End ****************** -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brad Marks Sent: Saturday, October 08, 2011 14:41 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Images (jpg files) on Access 2007 Report DetailLines(Report View) Stuart, Thanks for the help, I appreciate it. I put together a little test Access 2007 application and employed your ideas on how to place images (.jpg) files on Report Detail lines. This approach worked nicely when I opened the report with "acViewPreview". However, when I opened the report with "acViewReport", it appears that the Report's Detail Line "On Format" Event is not fired and therefore I am not able to change the "Picture" property of the image to plug in the name of the desired jpg file. The other reports in the application that I am working on use acViewReport so that the users can have drill-downs, dynamic sorts, and dynamic filters. I would therefore like to stay with acViewReport if possible. Thanks again for the help. I am beginning to think that I might be trying to do something that is not easy to accomplish with acViewReport (Report View). Brad -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com on behalf of Stuart McLachlan Sent: Fri 10/7/2011 1:59 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Images (jpg files) on Access 2007 Report Detail Lines(Report View) I do this quite regularly with a simple text field to store the filename ( usually, I keep the images in a standard directory, just store the filename and build the full path/filename as required.) Then I just use something like this in the report: : Private Sub Detail_Format(Cancel As Integer, FormatCount As Integer) If PhotoName > "" And Dir$(PhotoDir() & PhotoName) > "" Then imgPhoto.Picture = PhotosDir() & PhotoName Else imgPhoto.Picture = PhotosDir() & "noimage.jpg" End If End Sub > > On Oct 7, 2011, at 12:06 PM, "Brad Marks" > wrote: > > > All, > > > > Earlier I posted a question about Attachment fields. I was able to > > find an answer to my question and I have a test application that > > works Okay, but it seems a bit complicated for what I am trying to > > do. > > > > I thought that if I explained what I am trying to accomplish, maybe > > someone would have some insights or suggestions. > > > > I am pulling "Part" information from a SQL Server database into > > Access 2007 via ODBC. One of the fields in the Parts table is the > > location of an image of the Part. (for example > > C:\Part_Images\Part001.jpg). > > > > I want to be able to use an Access 2007 Report (in Report View) to > > display the appropriate .jpg file for each detail line on the > > report. > > > > I am able to accomplish this via the use of a "temporary" Access > > table that has an Attachment field for the images. This works, but > > I wonder if there is a better/simpler approach. > > > > I have experimented with placing an "Image" on the Report Detail > > lines, with hopes of changing the Images's "Picture" property on the > > fly for each detail line on the report. I cannot figure out how to > > do this. Perhaps Access 2007 does not allow this when using "Report > > View". > > > > I would guess that others may have run into similar situations and > > may have some advice. > > > > Thanks for your help, > > > > Brad > > > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Sat Oct 8 17:04:19 2011 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Sun, 09 Oct 2011 08:04:19 +1000 Subject: [AccessD] 10 things I don't miss about Access In-Reply-To: References: , Message-ID: <4E90C8E3.19731.347C755@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Access Zealots are like any other zealots such as freetards and apple fanbois (and warmistas? ) They take *any* perceived criticism of their chosen path as blasphemy. Once they detect any sign of it , they stop reading, close their minds and go on the attack. -- Stuart On 8 Oct 2011 at 10:38, Susan Harkins wrote: > Wow... I'm always surprised when someone takes such a 180% turn of > what I've written. It's like they don't really read what I've written > at all. They don't agree with a specific point or they read the > headings. Thanks to you and Gustav for championing my true intent. I > appreciate that. > > FWIW, the people that fuss the loudest about my opinions, seem to have > much stronger ones than mine. I always find that... interesting. And > of course, after they trash you, sometimes personally, they get even > madder because you don't say, "Oh my, you're so right, thank you for > saving me from my folly!" > > I love Access, always have. I'm sorry to see MS taking it in the > direction they have, but even so, I can still admit Access' > short-comings. I think that's just being realistic and frankly, you > need to do that in order to give your clients/users the best of what > they really need. I love Access, but I'm not a junkie. :) > > Susan H. > > > > > OK, for those interested, here's the link that will give you a > > logged in view of the EE thread that gustav mentioned: > > > > http://rdsrc.us/lIghoA > > > > Comments on Susan's article are the last fifteen or so comments at > > the > > bottom of the thread (about 2/3'rds of the way down - first comment > > was posted 10/7 at 4:29 pm). > > > > This is a continually running thread we have in the Access Zone, so > > there > > is a lot of stuff in the beginning that doesn't apply. > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Sat Oct 8 17:17:14 2011 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Sat, 08 Oct 2011 18:17:14 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] 10 things I don't miss about Access In-Reply-To: <4E90C8E3.19731.347C755@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: , <4E90C8E3.19731.347C755@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <4E90CBEA.1000601@colbyconsulting.com> You forgot the Inteliots John W. Colby Colby Consulting On 10/8/2011 6:04 PM, Stuart McLachlan wrote: > Access Zealots are like any other zealots such as freetards and apple fanbois (and > warmistas?) > > They take *any* perceived criticism of their chosen path as blasphemy. Once they detect any > sign of it , they stop reading, close their minds and go on the attack. > > From accessd at shaw.ca Sun Oct 9 01:03:02 2011 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2011 23:03:02 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] OT - John Colby - volunteer work with Prisons -Minnesota Public Radio program In-Reply-To: <01018F7E24CF49339BA54E4B38BC877F@abpc> References: <01018F7E24CF49339BA54E4B38BC877F@abpc> Message-ID: <14B78BF8B8B846F7A0F6F2B03EB1E0FB@creativesystemdesigns.com> Good wise words...but it still does not give a government a blank cheque because they just provide lip-service to the concept of democracy. Churchill, him-self was unceremoniously, kicked from power because he sent the army after striking workers...but at least it didn't take a revolution to oust him. Jim -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Asger Blond Sent: Saturday, October 08, 2011 5:38 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT - John Colby - volunteer work with Prisons -Minnesota Public Radio program Wise words - as are Winston Churchill's: "Many forms of Government have been tried, and will be tried in this world of sin and woe. No one pretends that democracy is perfect or all-wise. Indeed it has been said that democracy is the worst form of Government except for all those other forms that have been tried from time to time." Asger -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Kenneth Ismert Sendt: 7. oktober 2011 22:14 Til: accessd at databaseadvisors.com Emne: Re: [AccessD] OT - John Colby - volunteer work with Prisons - Minnesota Public Radio program I rarely make OT comments, but here's the exception: I see a lot of similarity between political belief and religious belief. Virtually all of us today were told of the political or religious framework we adhere to. Even those who seek almost never invent a novel set of beliefs, but simply pick from available alternatives. We choose our belief systems for reasons that have very little to to with logic, and everything to do with emotion. Proof of this is that our tenets rarely hold up to unbiased, scientific scrutiny. If a particular belief was provably correct, shouldn't it be universally accepted, like the laws of gravitation, or the Pythagorean theorem? And yet, problematic as they are, our beliefs are very real to us, perhaps more real than any other aspect of our existence. So, we find ourselves today in this setting of global competing passed-down dogmas, that are fiercely believed in and passionately championed, in spite of scarce proof. In the old days, the obvious and often-used resolution to these conflicts was to kill or imprison the others, the infidels, the political apostates. For all their problems, frailties, and pitfalls, there is one thing that can be unequivocally said about modern, religion-neutral democracies: the streets are almost entirely free of bloodshed when power changes hands or religious movements gain ground, and the prisons are remarkably free of political and religious prisoners. So, before we give up, and condemn our current systems to the dust bin, let us consider the achievements of our more enlightened societies and their political systems. We have difficulties because these systems are imperfect. But anyone who suggests, or implies, that we should revert to the political systems of old has forgotten what truly horrible things those historical regimes could be. The only real way forward is to invent new structures that address our current grievances, while embedding even more deeply respect for our differences, based on a more solid, fundamental and complete understanding of who we are as as species. That is the current belief I irrationally and emotionally adhere to. -Ken ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: jwcolby > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving < > accessd at databaseadvisors.com> > Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2011 10:36:41 -0400 > Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT - John Colby - volunteer work with Prisons - > Minnesota Public Radio program > Dan, > > Sadly politics is broken, not just in the US but around the world. > > I did an 8 month training, one full weekend a month to learn to be an > advocate for people with disabilities. My daughter Allie has many > disabilities caused by a genetic duplication. One of the weekends was > dedicated to educating us on the political system, what special interests > means, lobbying and so forth. > > Elections are won with advertising, advertising costs money, and companies > (mostly) have money. But in the end it all comes down to people. Everyone > believes what they believe, are (have been) convinced of the "truth" of > their belief system. > > Republicans really do believe that government has no business being in the > "help" business, that it is the job of the people to help each other. > Democrats believe the opposite. People have become jaded and believe that > nobody cares any more and so stop caring themselves. > > Ignoring the names of the political parties, this is not an American > problem it is a world problem, which occurs any time there are so many > people that we no longer know our neighbors. I don't mean "know their face" > I mean "get to know" our neighbors. > > What we were shown in that weekend is that the primary job of a politician > is to get re-elected. The politician him/herself has a belief system but > unless (s)he can get (re)elected (s)he cannot implement the belief system. > Once elected, there are so many conflicting interests that (s)he cannot > really function effectively. > > The system truly is broken, and probably always has been. > > The only hope for mankind is for us to realize that we all stand together > or we all fall alone. People have to individually make an effort to help > others less fortunate than ourselves. Which is a lot of work, and there is > a college football game on... and after that is Dancing with the Stars... > and besides, what difference can I really make? > > :) > > > John W. Colby > Colby Consulting > > On 10/4/2011 5:17 PM, Dan Waters wrote: > >> John- some of this will change in the next election. Unfortunately, too >> many people need to learn things the hard way. And learning that voting >> carefully, not emotionally, is actually important. Politics is not a >> reality TV show - it's real people really getting hurt. >> >> Dan >> > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Arthur Fuller > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving < > accessd at databaseadvisors.com> > Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2011 11:10:51 -0400 > Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT - John Colby - volunteer work with Prisons - > Minnesota Public Radio program > I think that you are onto something here, JWC. And I am seriously unsure of > the consequences that I draw, but here they are: > > 1. Political parties of whatever stripe are by definition attacks on > popular > opinion. I don't see any other way to see this. Let us for example take a > hypothetical voter who is against abortion and also against religious > instruction in public schools. No party represents this theoretical person. > The inevitable result is that I choose the party that shares the most > number > of values and propositions with me, and that SUCKS. > > Tomorrow is Election Day in Ontario, and various polls indicate that either > the Libs or the Cons are slated to have a minority win, and in either case > that means that my party, the NDP, is going to hold the balance of power. > > On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 10:36 AM, jwcolby >wrote: > > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Sun Oct 9 01:13:13 2011 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2011 23:13:13 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] 10 things I don't miss about Access In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2704F48FFD08482D81B04D436D8D4DB6@creativesystemdesigns.com> I think Microsoft should have moved MS Access into .Net and extended web capabilities. A transitional period would have been nice as well. Then MS could have had an excellent platform, that would run under any OS and browser, a huge set of trained developers ready to defend and build their products. Just cutting off a whole product line is not likely to garner much product and company loyalty. That is just my opinion but I have been working with Access since 2002...nearly 20 years. Jim -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins Sent: Saturday, October 08, 2011 7:38 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] 10 things I don't miss about Access Wow... I'm always surprised when someone takes such a 180% turn of what I've written. It's like they don't really read what I've written at all. They don't agree with a specific point or they read the headings. Thanks to you and Gustav for championing my true intent. I appreciate that. FWIW, the people that fuss the loudest about my opinions, seem to have much stronger ones than mine. I always find that... interesting. And of course, after they trash you, sometimes personally, they get even madder because you don't say, "Oh my, you're so right, thank you for saving me from my folly!" I love Access, always have. I'm sorry to see MS taking it in the direction they have, but even so, I can still admit Access' short-comings. I think that's just being realistic and frankly, you need to do that in order to give your clients/users the best of what they really need. I love Access, but I'm not a junkie. :) Susan H. > > OK, for those interested, here's the link that will give you a logged in > view of the EE thread that gustav mentioned: > > http://rdsrc.us/lIghoA > > Comments on Susan's article are the last fifteen or so comments at the > bottom of the thread (about 2/3'rds of the way down - first comment was > posted 10/7 at 4:29 pm). > > This is a continually running thread we have in the Access Zone, so there > is a lot of stuff in the beginning that doesn't apply. -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru Sun Oct 9 04:40:41 2011 From: shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov) Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2011 13:40:41 +0400 Subject: [AccessD] Drew Wutka memorial ideas In-Reply-To: <006701cc83c7$0c766cc0$25634640$@net> References: <01b301cc83b5$741defe0$5c59cfa0$@winhaven.net> <006701cc83c7$0c766cc0$25634640$@net> Message-ID: <55553C11DA024DEF8AE19CD0B4323CAE@nant> Yes, I'd definitely wire some money by PayPal to Drew's family/kids. I have just came back home and I have got read that tragic news about Drew's passing away. My deepest condolences to all of Drew's family and friends. -- Shamil -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Simms Sent: 6 ??????? 2011 ?. 5:27 To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Drew Wutka memorial ideas I'll definitely "chip in". I know this is not a warm and fuzzy way of doing it, but would PayPal be out of the question here ? I mean...it's at least convenient. The recipient could establish an account there within days. -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From marksimms at verizon.net Sun Oct 9 09:41:15 2011 From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms) Date: Sun, 09 Oct 2011 10:41:15 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] 10 things I don't miss about Access In-Reply-To: <584522BE54DB429788CFBDFD3D1D6073@XPS> References: <584522BE54DB429788CFBDFD3D1D6073@XPS> Message-ID: <007901cc8691$804a88d0$80df9a70$@net> Jim - What about Power Basic ? How does that stack-up relative to Access ? I know they've been continually improving that product....so it's not dead, But the user base must be very small. > But the data environment alone when working with forms is something > Access developers would kill for. Add to that the ability to compile into a > true .EXE, work with just about any 3rd party control, build COM objects or > DLL's, having unit testing capability, and being able to do n-tier > designs, and it made it quite attractive. Microsoft unfortunately killed it > just as I was coming up to speed with it, so I was back to square one looking > for the next best thing. I keep trying to get into VS, but I keep getting > pulled back into Access. From marksimms at verizon.net Sun Oct 9 09:42:53 2011 From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms) Date: Sun, 09 Oct 2011 10:42:53 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] 10 things I don't miss about Access In-Reply-To: <4E907F88.6040905@colbyconsulting.com> References: <584522BE54DB429788CFBDFD3D1D6073@XPS> <4E907F88.6040905@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <007a01cc8691$bab1dbe0$301593a0$@net> > C# is in another league entirely in terms of raw ability. John - I think it's the FRAMEWORK not just the language per se. From accessd at shaw.ca Sun Oct 9 10:56:50 2011 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2011 08:56:50 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] 10 things I don't miss about Access In-Reply-To: <007901cc8691$804a88d0$80df9a70$@net> References: <584522BE54DB429788CFBDFD3D1D6073@XPS> <007901cc8691$804a88d0$80df9a70$@net> Message-ID: <237A00C761104F3DB7D9F3FCBB4647D9@creativesystemdesigns.com> Let us not talk about Power Basic. Is that not the private preserve of Stuart? ;-) Jim -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Simms Sent: Sunday, October 09, 2011 7:41 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] 10 things I don't miss about Access Jim - What about Power Basic ? How does that stack-up relative to Access ? I know they've been continually improving that product....so it's not dead, But the user base must be very small. > But the data environment alone when working with forms is something > Access developers would kill for. Add to that the ability to compile into a > true .EXE, work with just about any 3rd party control, build COM objects or > DLL's, having unit testing capability, and being able to do n-tier > designs, and it made it quite attractive. Microsoft unfortunately killed it > just as I was coming up to speed with it, so I was back to square one looking > for the next best thing. I keep trying to get into VS, but I keep getting > pulled back into Access. -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Sun Oct 9 10:59:38 2011 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2011 08:59:38 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] 10 things I don't miss about Access In-Reply-To: <007a01cc8691$bab1dbe0$301593a0$@net> References: <584522BE54DB429788CFBDFD3D1D6073@XPS> <4E907F88.6040905@colbyconsulting.com> <007a01cc8691$bab1dbe0$301593a0$@net> Message-ID: <00211C4A69214F82A5DE08836B1A1362@creativesystemdesigns.com> MS Access was a framework for VB. There are many frameworks now, ones for Java, PHP and even .Net. Is Microsoft out the Framework business? Jim -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Simms Sent: Sunday, October 09, 2011 7:43 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] 10 things I don't miss about Access > C# is in another league entirely in terms of raw ability. John - I think it's the FRAMEWORK not just the language per se. -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Sun Oct 9 11:14:13 2011 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Sun, 09 Oct 2011 12:14:13 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] 10 things I don't miss about Access In-Reply-To: <007a01cc8691$bab1dbe0$301593a0$@net> References: <584522BE54DB429788CFBDFD3D1D6073@XPS> <4E907F88.6040905@colbyconsulting.com> <007a01cc8691$bab1dbe0$301593a0$@net> Message-ID: <4E91C855.6010001@colbyconsulting.com> Yes but the framework *is* the language. The language is literally a thin veneer over the framework. It calls down into the framework for everything. John W. Colby Colby Consulting On 10/9/2011 10:42 AM, Mark Simms wrote: >> C# is in another league entirely in terms of raw ability. > > John - I think it's the FRAMEWORK not just the language per se. > > > From shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru Sun Oct 9 13:36:11 2011 From: shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov) Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2011 22:36:11 +0400 Subject: [AccessD] 10 things I don't miss about Access In-Reply-To: <2704F48FFD08482D81B04D436D8D4DB6@creativesystemdesigns.com> References: <2704F48FFD08482D81B04D436D8D4DB6@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: Hi Jim -- <<< I have been working with Access since 2002...nearly 20 years. >>> Do you mean since November, 1992? (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Access) I have started to develop MS Access apps one year later - end of year 1993 - and in summer 1994 I have been feeling myself a kind of MS Access/VBA "Expert", really :) - I have got my first international MS Access project in summer 1995 and that was very heavy duty MS Access VBA/programming... ... with .NET/C#/VB.NET getting at "Expert" level takes 4-5 years I suppose (at least that was my experience) - still this .NET/C#/VB.NET/... development environment is so rapidly changing/evolving that one has to be learning constantly new and new technologies/programming concepts implemented in .NET and its main languages C#/VB.NET. In fact many of that "new concepts" are "good old ones" - as e.g. functional programming, lambda calculus - very useful stuff, `makes coding streamlined, ready for parallelization - have a look - http://blogs.msdn.com/b/ericwhite/archive/2006/10/04/fp-tutorial.aspx ... And MS Access/VBA has got into "stagnation/very slow evolution phase" since MS Access 2002/XP - then years for now... :( Thank you. -- Shamil -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: 9 ??????? 2011 ?. 10:13 To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] 10 things I don't miss about Access I think Microsoft should have moved MS Access into .Net and extended web capabilities. A transitional period would have been nice as well. Then MS could have had an excellent platform, that would run under any OS and browser, a huge set of trained developers ready to defend and build their products. Just cutting off a whole product line is not likely to garner much product and company loyalty. That is just my opinion but I have been working with Access since 2002...nearly 20 years. Jim From fuller.artful at gmail.com Sun Oct 9 14:43:06 2011 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2011 15:43:06 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Trouble referencing a control on another form Message-ID: I'm having trouble with the following scenario: I'm in one form (call it FormA). A button there opens another form (FormB), which displays a list of records and a pair of buttons (Copy and Close). The code in FormA opens FormB in dialog mode. The general idea here is that the user selects a record on FormB and hits the Copy button, whose code merely says "Me.Visible" = False. The code on the Close button closes the form. At this point, we are back on FormA, If FormB is still loaded, then I want to copy certain of its controls to controls of the same name on FormB. I've tried several approaches such as: With Me .MachineOrPress = Forms("FormB).MachineOrPress End With I also tried; Dim frm as form Set frm = Forms("FormB") With Me .MachineOrPress = frm.MachineOrPress End With In both cases, all I can see in Intellisense is the properties of FormB -- not the list of controls. I know there has to be a simple way to to refer to FormB's controls, but so far I haven't got it, and if I don't it soon I'll scrap this approach and use a recordset instead. Can anyone help me sort this out? TIA, Arthur From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Sun Oct 9 16:52:53 2011 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2011 07:52:53 +1000 Subject: [AccessD] 10 things I don't miss about Access In-Reply-To: <007901cc8691$804a88d0$80df9a70$@net> References: , <584522BE54DB429788CFBDFD3D1D6073@XPS>, <007901cc8691$804a88d0$80df9a70$@net> Message-ID: <4E9217B5.21112.863B768@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Completely different kettle of fish. That's llike asking how does C++ compare to Access. While you *could* do anything in PB or C++ that you can do in Access with a great deal of effort, they are complementary development tools rather than rivals. -- Stuart On 9 Oct 2011 at 10:41, Mark Simms wrote: > Jim - What about Power Basic ? How does that stack-up relative to > Access ? I know they've been continually improving that product....so > it's not dead, But the user base must be very small. > > > But the data environment alone when working with forms is > > something > > Access developers would kill for. Add to that the ability to > > compile into > a > > true .EXE, work with just about any 3rd party control, build COM > > objects > or > > DLL's, having unit testing capability, and being able to do n-tier > > designs, and it made it quite attractive. Microsoft unfortunately > > killed > it > > just as I was coming up to speed with it, so I was back to square > > one > looking > > for the next best thing. I keep trying to get into VS, but I keep > > getting pulled back into Access. > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Sun Oct 9 16:59:04 2011 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2011 07:59:04 +1000 Subject: [AccessD] Trouble referencing a control on another form In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4E921928.27411.86960A2@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Forms("FormB).Form!MachineOrPress -- Stuart On 9 Oct 2011 at 15:43, Arthur Fuller wrote: > I'm having trouble with the following scenario: > > I'm in one form (call it FormA). A button there opens another form > (FormB), which displays a list of records and a pair of buttons (Copy > and Close). The code in FormA opens FormB in dialog mode. The general > idea here is that the user selects a record on FormB and hits the Copy > button, whose code merely says "Me.Visible" = False. The code on the > Close button closes the form. At this point, we are back on FormA, If > FormB is still loaded, then I want to copy certain of its controls to > controls of the same name on FormB. > > I've tried several approaches such as: > > With Me > .MachineOrPress = Forms("FormB).MachineOrPress > End With > > I also tried; > > Dim frm as form > Set frm = Forms("FormB") > With Me > .MachineOrPress = frm.MachineOrPress > End With > > In both cases, all I can see in Intellisense is the properties of > FormB -- not the list of controls. > > I know there has to be a simple way to to refer to FormB's controls, > but so far I haven't got it, and if I don't it soon I'll scrap this > approach and use a recordset instead. > > Can anyone help me sort this out? > > TIA, > Arthur > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From fuller.artful at gmail.com Sun Oct 9 18:09:54 2011 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2011 19:09:54 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Trouble referencing a control on another form In-Reply-To: <4E921928.27411.86960A2@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: <4E921928.27411.86960A2@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: I'll give that a shot. Thanks. But I'm kind of surprised that the bang works while the dot doesn't. A. On Sun, Oct 9, 2011 at 5:59 PM, Stuart McLachlan wrote: > Forms("FormB).Form!MachineOrPress > > -- > Stuart > > From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Sun Oct 9 18:25:29 2011 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2011 09:25:29 +1000 Subject: [AccessD] Trouble referencing a control on another form In-Reply-To: References: , <4E921928.27411.86960A2@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>, Message-ID: <4E922D69.15203.8B87C3E@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> It's not the bang, it's the addition of "Form" -- Stuart On 9 Oct 2011 at 19:09, Arthur Fuller wrote: > I'll give that a shot. Thanks. But I'm kind of surprised that the bang > works while the dot doesn't. > > A. > > On Sun, Oct 9, 2011 at 5:59 PM, Stuart McLachlan > wrote: > > > Forms("FormB).Form!MachineOrPress > > > > -- > > Stuart > > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au Sun Oct 9 18:45:59 2011 From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins) Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2011 10:45:59 +1100 Subject: [AccessD] Trouble referencing a control on another form In-Reply-To: <4E922D69.15203.8B87C3E@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: , <4E921928.27411.86960A2@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>, <4E922D69.15203.8B87C3E@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <001401cc86dd$9941ea30$cbc5be90$@com.au> In simple terms: <> Cheers Darryl -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan Sent: Monday, 10 October 2011 10:25 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Trouble referencing a control on another form It's not the bang, it's the addition of "Form" -- Stuart On 9 Oct 2011 at 19:09, Arthur Fuller wrote: > I'll give that a shot. Thanks. But I'm kind of surprised that the bang > works while the dot doesn't. > > A. > > On Sun, Oct 9, 2011 at 5:59 PM, Stuart McLachlan > wrote: > > > Forms("FormB).Form!MachineOrPress > > > > -- > > Stuart > > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au Sun Oct 9 18:47:42 2011 From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins) Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2011 10:47:42 +1100 Subject: [AccessD] Trouble referencing a control on another form In-Reply-To: References: <4E921928.27411.86960A2@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <001501cc86dd$d67c8180$83758480$@com.au> Actually, this is what I was looking for.... Been a while. <> I found this to be super useful when it comes to dealing with forms, subforms and controls. Cheers Darryl. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Monday, 10 October 2011 10:10 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Trouble referencing a control on another form I'll give that a shot. Thanks. But I'm kind of surprised that the bang works while the dot doesn't. A. On Sun, Oct 9, 2011 at 5:59 PM, Stuart McLachlan wrote: > Forms("FormB).Form!MachineOrPress > > -- > Stuart > > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru Mon Oct 10 01:15:57 2011 From: shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov) Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2011 10:15:57 +0400 Subject: [AccessD] Writing and Hosting a Web Service in the SharePoint 2010 Demo Virtual Machine... Message-ID: <4D3A0180687B4AF8B4695CC635BAA56A@nant> Hi All -- In this article/blog entry: Writing and Hosting a Web Service in the SharePoint 2010 Demo Virtual Machine http://blogs.msdn.com/b/ericwhite/archive/2010/07/16/writing-and-hosting-a-w eb-service-in-the-sharepoint-2010-demo-virtual-machine.aspx the author refers to a test virtual machine image with SharePoint 2010 configured: "My favorite way to develop/experiment/write about SharePoint 2010 is to use the 2010 Information Worker Demonstration and Evaluation Virtual Machine. It is a great virtual machine - finely tuned, and has all of the necessary software installed, including SharePoint Server 2010, Visual Studio 2010, Office 2010, etc. I do on occasion build my own virtual machines when absolutely necessary, but I consider it a necessary evil, not something that I enjoy." The link directs to "http://www.microsoft.com/download/en/details.aspx?displaylang=en&id=21099" but VM isn't available there for downloading. Do you know is it still available for free downloading from MS web site? (Was it a free download?) Thank you. -- Shamil From shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru Mon Oct 10 01:37:06 2011 From: shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov) Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2011 10:37:06 +0400 Subject: [AccessD] [dba-VB] Writing and Hosting a Web Service in the SharePoint 2010Demo Virtual Machine... In-Reply-To: <4D3A0180687B4AF8B4695CC635BAA56A@nant> References: <4D3A0180687B4AF8B4695CC635BAA56A@nant> Message-ID: <7360072243CB49A7909DE5AC1AC87336@nant> Hi All -- I have found this link related to the subject: Download Microsoft FAST Search Server 2010 for SharePoint Trial today http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/evalcenter/ee424282 It looks good but it's "too much" - I just need a demo/trial VM with SharePoint 2010 Server configured to test some C#/OpenXML SDK/VBA + SharePoint coding. Is there SharePoint 2010 running in 32bit system environments? If not is it possible to run 64bit virtual machine on 32bit systems? - should be possible I guess, might be slow - no problem Thank you. -- Shamil -----Original Message----- From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil Salakhetdinov Sent: 10 ??????? 2011 ?. 10:16 To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Cc: 'Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues.' Subject: [dba-VB] Writing and Hosting a Web Service in the SharePoint 2010Demo Virtual Machine... Hi All -- In this article/blog entry: Writing and Hosting a Web Service in the SharePoint 2010 Demo Virtual Machine http://blogs.msdn.com/b/ericwhite/archive/2010/07/16/writing-and-hosting-a-w eb-service-in-the-sharepoint-2010-demo-virtual-machine.aspx the author refers to a test virtual machine image with SharePoint 2010 configured: "My favorite way to develop/experiment/write about SharePoint 2010 is to use the 2010 Information Worker Demonstration and Evaluation Virtual Machine. It is a great virtual machine - finely tuned, and has all of the necessary software installed, including SharePoint Server 2010, Visual Studio 2010, Office 2010, etc. I do on occasion build my own virtual machines when absolutely necessary, but I consider it a necessary evil, not something that I enjoy." The link directs to "http://www.microsoft.com/download/en/details.aspx?displaylang=en&id=21099" but VM isn't available there for downloading. Do you know is it still available for free downloading from MS web site? (Was it a free download?) Thank you. -- Shamil _______________________________________________ dba-VB mailing list dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb http://www.databaseadvisors.com From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk Mon Oct 10 01:57:53 2011 From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid) Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2011 07:57:53 +0100 Subject: [AccessD] Writing and Hosting a Web Service in the SharePoint 2010 Demo Virtual Machine... Message-ID: <631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB082956A302CE171@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk> It should be there and its free but times out at 180 days. Martin Sent from my Windows Phone ________________________________ From: Shamil Salakhetdinov Sent: 10/10/2011 07:19 To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Cc: 'Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues.' Subject: [AccessD] Writing and Hosting a Web Service in the SharePoint 2010 Demo Virtual Machine... Hi All -- In this article/blog entry: Writing and Hosting a Web Service in the SharePoint 2010 Demo Virtual Machine http://blogs.msdn.com/b/ericwhite/archive/2010/07/16/writing-and-hosting-a-w eb-service-in-the-sharepoint-2010-demo-virtual-machine.aspx the author refers to a test virtual machine image with SharePoint 2010 configured: "My favorite way to develop/experiment/write about SharePoint 2010 is to use the 2010 Information Worker Demonstration and Evaluation Virtual Machine. It is a great virtual machine - finely tuned, and has all of the necessary software installed, including SharePoint Server 2010, Visual Studio 2010, Office 2010, etc. I do on occasion build my own virtual machines when absolutely necessary, but I consider it a necessary evil, not something that I enjoy." The link directs to "http://www.microsoft.com/download/en/details.aspx?displaylang=en&id=21099" but VM isn't available there for downloading. Do you know is it still available for free downloading from MS web site? (Was it a free download?) Thank you. -- Shamil -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Mon Oct 10 08:04:25 2011 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2011 09:04:25 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Select one of several open forms Message-ID: I have a main form, another form (FormA) and a popup (FormB). When the user enters values in the popup, I hide that form. The intent is to then copy some values back to FormA and then close FormB. That part seems to work fine. The problem is that control is returning to the main form rather than to FormA. I recall that there is a way to set the focus specifically to any given open form but I can't remember it. Is it as simple as "FormA.SetFocus"? TIA, Arthur From ab-mi at post3.tele.dk Mon Oct 10 08:18:59 2011 From: ab-mi at post3.tele.dk (Asger Blond) Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2011 15:18:59 +0200 Subject: [AccessD] Select one of several open forms In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Forms("FormA").SetFocus Asger -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Arthur Fuller Sendt: 10. oktober 2011 15:04 Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Emne: [AccessD] Select one of several open forms I have a main form, another form (FormA) and a popup (FormB). When the user enters values in the popup, I hide that form. The intent is to then copy some values back to FormA and then close FormB. That part seems to work fine. The problem is that control is returning to the main form rather than to FormA. I recall that there is a way to set the focus specifically to any given open form but I can't remember it. Is it as simple as "FormA.SetFocus"? TIA, Arthur -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From darren at activebilling.com.au Mon Oct 10 08:24:21 2011 From: darren at activebilling.com.au (Darren - Active Billing) Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 00:24:21 +1100 Subject: [AccessD] Select one of several open forms In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <003b01cc874f$ed0d74f0$c7285ed0$@activebilling.com.au> Hi Arthur Something like... Forms!formA!SomeControlOnFormA.setfocus Is what I do. I always have a "transparent" command button on each and every one of my forms called "TabBlank". It has its tab property set to zero and is always my 'resting place' for the cursor when I need one, and an attachment point too (as in this case) when I need one. I can refer to it in code when things are 'running' (Send the cursor there) and when I need to disable controls, I send the focus there too for neatness to avoid "you can't disable the current control" messages - That sort of stuff. I don't always like returning to a data entry field (Unless required). As access (depending on configuration options) usually highlights the value in the field when the focus arrives. Users (I dunno why) often like to hit the space bar when returning to their screens especially if their screen saver is on. Often deleting the contents of the selected field. So I usually do something like Forms!frForma!TabBlank.setfocus Hope this helps See ya Darren -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Tuesday, 11 October 2011 12:04 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: [AccessD] Select one of several open forms I have a main form, another form (FormA) and a popup (FormB). When the user enters values in the popup, I hide that form. The intent is to then copy some values back to FormA and then close FormB. That part seems to work fine. The problem is that control is returning to the main form rather than to FormA. I recall that there is a way to set the focus specifically to any given open form but I can't remember it. Is it as simple as "FormA.SetFocus"? TIA, Arthur -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Mon Oct 10 08:27:55 2011 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2011 09:27:55 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Select one of several open forms In-Reply-To: <003b01cc874f$ed0d74f0$c7285ed0$@activebilling.com.au> References: <003b01cc874f$ed0d74f0$c7285ed0$@activebilling.com.au> Message-ID: Thanks to both of you. Arthur From shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru Mon Oct 10 08:43:56 2011 From: shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov) Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2011 17:43:56 +0400 Subject: [AccessD] Writing and Hosting a Web Service in the SharePoint 2010 Demo Virtual Machine... In-Reply-To: <631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB082956A302CE171@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk> References: <631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB082956A302CE171@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk> Message-ID: Thank you Martin, And do you know there exist any paid (economical class - pay per API call - something like that) SharePoint hosting services with SharePoint 2010 Word Automation Services (http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ff742315.aspx) and SharePoint 2010 Excel Services (http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ff640648.aspx) ? Thank you. -- Shamil -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Martin Reid Sent: 10 ??????? 2011 ?. 10:58 To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Cc: 'Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues.' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Writing and Hosting a Web Service in the SharePoint 2010 Demo Virtual Machine... It should be there and its free but times out at 180 days. Martin Sent from my Windows Phone ________________________________ From: Shamil Salakhetdinov Sent: 10/10/2011 07:19 To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Cc: 'Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues.' Subject: [AccessD] Writing and Hosting a Web Service in the SharePoint 2010 Demo Virtual Machine... Hi All -- In this article/blog entry: Writing and Hosting a Web Service in the SharePoint 2010 Demo Virtual Machine http://blogs.msdn.com/b/ericwhite/archive/2010/07/16/writing-and-hosting-a-w eb-service-in-the-sharepoint-2010-demo-virtual-machine.aspx the author refers to a test virtual machine image with SharePoint 2010 configured: "My favorite way to develop/experiment/write about SharePoint 2010 is to use the 2010 Information Worker Demonstration and Evaluation Virtual Machine. It is a great virtual machine - finely tuned, and has all of the necessary software installed, including SharePoint Server 2010, Visual Studio 2010, Office 2010, etc. I do on occasion build my own virtual machines when absolutely necessary, but I consider it a necessary evil, not something that I enjoy." The link directs to "http://www.microsoft.com/download/en/details.aspx?displaylang=en&id=21099" but VM isn't available there for downloading. Do you know is it still available for free downloading from MS web site? (Was it a free download?) Thank you. -- Shamil -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Mon Oct 10 10:47:51 2011 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2011 11:47:51 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] OT - John Colby - volunteer work with Prisons -Minnesota Public Radio program In-Reply-To: <14B78BF8B8B846F7A0F6F2B03EB1E0FB@creativesystemdesigns.com> References: <01018F7E24CF49339BA54E4B38BC877F@abpc> <14B78BF8B8B846F7A0F6F2B03EB1E0FB@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: It's also worth noting that Churchill was referring to parliamentary democracy, as practised in Britain and Canada among others. By this definition, the USA is not a democracy but rather a republic, and there are several large differences. Ask William Hindman, if you doubt this, but for starters the relative weight of the fed vs. the states; the electoral college, and on the other side, the ability of political parties in Britain and Canada to replace their leaders at will, whether or not said leader is Prime Minister. Arthur On Sun, Oct 9, 2011 at 2:03 AM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > Good wise words...but it still does not give a government a blank cheque > because they just provide lip-service to the concept of democracy. > > Churchill, him-self was unceremoniously, kicked from power because he sent > the army after striking workers...but at least it didn't take a revolution > to oust him. > > Jim > > From okiearcher at gmail.com Mon Oct 10 12:36:08 2011 From: okiearcher at gmail.com (Keith) Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2011 12:36:08 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Update schedule table with new dates Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20111010123452.0313c588@mail.archersworld.com> Hi all. I posted this message to Access-L this morning with no response, so I was wondering if anyone here could help me. I have a need to develop a process (or modify an existing) to update a table. Let's say I have tblSched with fields like: strStoreNum, strLocation, dteBidDate, dtePossessionDate, dteOpenDate. Each week my users update a new Excel schedule sheet and put it in a common network directory. I need to develop or find a function that will go out to the network folder import the Excel file into a new table, and update the tblSched with any CHANGED dates from the newly imported table. (Or I could just do a compare to the Excel sheet without importing, if that works better.) I also need to add any new stores to the tblSched that are included in the new Excel sheet that were not in the table prior to the update. I am just preliminarily assuming that this will involve Append and Update queries, or looping through individual records/fields in the two tables. Are there any functions out there that will come close to doing what I am try to do? Thanks. Keith From charlotte.foust at gmail.com Mon Oct 10 15:44:34 2011 From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust) Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2011 13:44:34 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Update schedule table with new dates In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20111010123452.0313c588@mail.archersworld.com> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20111010123452.0313c588@mail.archersworld.com> Message-ID: If by a "function" you mean something built in, no. If you want code to do it, that may be doable, but you need to tell us what version of Access you're using and what exactly you are trying to accomplish in more detail. It sounds like you have mutliple users entering data into an Excel workbook, but is it a shared workbook or multiple workbooks? Does it have a single worksheet or multiples, i.e., one for each user, or what? What data field or fields are you keying off of on the spreadsheet, and what kind of keys do you have in the Access tables. What do you want to do with the data once it's in Access? That determines data structures and a bunch of other things. Fill in the blanks, and someone may be able to help. Charlotte Foust On Mon, Oct 10, 2011 at 10:36 AM, Keith wrote: > Hi all. > > I posted this message to Access-L this morning with no response, so I was > wondering if anyone here could help me. > > I have a need to develop a process (or modify an existing) to update a > table. Let's say I have tblSched with fields like: strStoreNum, strLocation, > dteBidDate, dtePossessionDate, dteOpenDate. > > Each week my users update a new Excel schedule sheet and put it in a common > network directory. I need to develop or find a function that will go out to > the network folder import the Excel file into a new table, and update the > tblSched with any CHANGED dates from the newly imported table. (Or I could > just do a compare to the Excel sheet without importing, if that works > better.) > > I also need to add any new stores to the tblSched that are included in the > new Excel sheet that were not in the table prior to the update. > > I am just preliminarily assuming that this will involve Append and Update > queries, or looping through individual records/fields in the two tables. > > Are there any functions out there that will come close to doing what I am > try to do? > > Thanks. > Keith > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/accessd > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.**com > > > From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Mon Oct 10 16:07:05 2011 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 07:07:05 +1000 Subject: [AccessD] Update schedule table with new dates In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20111010123452.0313c588@mail.archersworld.com> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20111010123452.0313c588@mail.archersworld.com> Message-ID: <4E935E79.26994.D60259F@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> In addition to Charlotte's questions: How do you differentiate between changed and new schedule items? On 10 Oct 2011 at 12:36, Keith wrote: > Hi all. > > I posted this message to Access-L this morning with no response, so I > was wondering if anyone here could help me. > > I have a need to develop a process (or modify an existing) to update a > table. Let's say I have tblSched with fields like: strStoreNum, > strLocation, dteBidDate, dtePossessionDate, dteOpenDate. > > Each week my users update a new Excel schedule sheet and put it in a > common network directory. I need to develop or find a function that > will go out to the network folder import the Excel file into a new > table, and update the tblSched with any CHANGED dates from the newly > imported table. (Or I could just do a compare to the Excel sheet > without importing, if that works better.) > > I also need to add any new stores to the tblSched that are included in > the new Excel sheet that were not in the table prior to the update. > > I am just preliminarily assuming that this will involve Append and > Update queries, or looping through individual records/fields in the > two tables. > > Are there any functions out there that will come close to doing what I > am try to do? > > Thanks. > Keith > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From charlotte.foust at gmail.com Mon Oct 10 16:16:46 2011 From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust) Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2011 14:16:46 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] 10 things I don't miss about Access In-Reply-To: <2704F48FFD08482D81B04D436D8D4DB6@creativesystemdesigns.com> References: <2704F48FFD08482D81B04D436D8D4DB6@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: Jim, I've worked with Access since version 1 in 1992. It was a great app, with the emphasis on *was*. I agree, it would have been great to move into .Net, but they already had VS, and frankly once you work with that, it's really hard to tolerate the limitations of Access. Charlotte Foust On Sat, Oct 8, 2011 at 11:13 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > I think Microsoft should have moved MS Access into .Net and extended web > capabilities. A transitional period would have been nice as well. > > Then MS could have had an excellent platform, that would run under any OS > and browser, a huge set of trained developers ready to defend and build > their products. Just cutting off a whole product line is not likely to > garner much product and company loyalty. > > That is just my opinion but I have been working with Access since > 2002...nearly 20 years. > > Jim > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins > Sent: Saturday, October 08, 2011 7:38 AM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] 10 things I don't miss about Access > > Wow... I'm always surprised when someone takes such a 180% turn of what > I've > > written. It's like they don't really read what I've written at all. They > don't agree with a specific point or they read the headings. Thanks to you > and Gustav for championing my true intent. I appreciate that. > > FWIW, the people that fuss the loudest about my opinions, seem to have much > stronger ones than mine. I always find that... interesting. And of course, > after they trash you, sometimes personally, they get even madder because > you > > don't say, "Oh my, you're so right, thank you for saving me from my folly!" > > > I love Access, always have. I'm sorry to see MS taking it in the direction > they have, but even so, I can still admit Access' short-comings. I think > that's just being realistic and frankly, you need to do that in order to > give your clients/users the best of what they really need. I love Access, > but I'm not a junkie. :) > > Susan H. > > > > > OK, for those interested, here's the link that will give you a logged in > > view of the EE thread that gustav mentioned: > > > > http://rdsrc.us/lIghoA > > > > > > Comments on Susan's article are the last fifteen or so comments at the > > bottom of the thread (about 2/3'rds of the way down - first comment was > > posted 10/7 at 4:29 pm). > > > > This is a continually running thread we have in the Access Zone, so > there > > is a lot of stuff in the beginning that doesn't apply. > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > From accessd at shaw.ca Mon Oct 10 23:35:29 2011 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2011 21:35:29 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] 10 things I don't miss about Access In-Reply-To: References: <2704F48FFD08482D81B04D436D8D4DB6@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: <6C3B3CFE6C954B7B81F5A7E54CCA446D@creativesystemdesigns.com> Yes...thanks for catching that Shamil. Jim -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil Salakhetdinov Sent: Sunday, October 09, 2011 11:36 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] 10 things I don't miss about Access Hi Jim -- <<< I have been working with Access since 2002...nearly 20 years. >>> Do you mean since November, 1992? (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Access) I have started to develop MS Access apps one year later - end of year 1993 - and in summer 1994 I have been feeling myself a kind of MS Access/VBA "Expert", really :) - I have got my first international MS Access project in summer 1995 and that was very heavy duty MS Access VBA/programming... ... with .NET/C#/VB.NET getting at "Expert" level takes 4-5 years I suppose (at least that was my experience) - still this .NET/C#/VB.NET/... development environment is so rapidly changing/evolving that one has to be learning constantly new and new technologies/programming concepts implemented in .NET and its main languages C#/VB.NET. In fact many of that "new concepts" are "good old ones" - as e.g. functional programming, lambda calculus - very useful stuff, `makes coding streamlined, ready for parallelization - have a look - http://blogs.msdn.com/b/ericwhite/archive/2006/10/04/fp-tutorial.aspx ... And MS Access/VBA has got into "stagnation/very slow evolution phase" since MS Access 2002/XP - then years for now... :( Thank you. -- Shamil -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: 9 ??????? 2011 ?. 10:13 To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] 10 things I don't miss about Access I think Microsoft should have moved MS Access into .Net and extended web capabilities. A transitional period would have been nice as well. Then MS could have had an excellent platform, that would run under any OS and browser, a huge set of trained developers ready to defend and build their products. Just cutting off a whole product line is not likely to garner much product and company loyalty. That is just my opinion but I have been working with Access since 2002...nearly 20 years. Jim -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Mon Oct 10 23:55:31 2011 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2011 21:55:31 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] 10 things I don't miss about Access In-Reply-To: References: <2704F48FFD08482D81B04D436D8D4DB6@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: <592ABE68D47C4655A19A933A21F5CB66@creativesystemdesigns.com> I do realize MS Access is now really a limited product and the truth is I have moved on but maybe I am just a little sentimental. ;-) Jim -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust Sent: Monday, October 10, 2011 2:17 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] 10 things I don't miss about Access Jim, I've worked with Access since version 1 in 1992. It was a great app, with the emphasis on *was*. I agree, it would have been great to move into .Net, but they already had VS, and frankly once you work with that, it's really hard to tolerate the limitations of Access. Charlotte Foust On Sat, Oct 8, 2011 at 11:13 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > I think Microsoft should have moved MS Access into .Net and extended web > capabilities. A transitional period would have been nice as well. > > Then MS could have had an excellent platform, that would run under any OS > and browser, a huge set of trained developers ready to defend and build > their products. Just cutting off a whole product line is not likely to > garner much product and company loyalty. > > That is just my opinion but I have been working with Access since > 2002...nearly 20 years. > > Jim > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins > Sent: Saturday, October 08, 2011 7:38 AM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] 10 things I don't miss about Access > > Wow... I'm always surprised when someone takes such a 180% turn of what > I've > > written. It's like they don't really read what I've written at all. They > don't agree with a specific point or they read the headings. Thanks to you > and Gustav for championing my true intent. I appreciate that. > > FWIW, the people that fuss the loudest about my opinions, seem to have much > stronger ones than mine. I always find that... interesting. And of course, > after they trash you, sometimes personally, they get even madder because > you > > don't say, "Oh my, you're so right, thank you for saving me from my folly!" > > > I love Access, always have. I'm sorry to see MS taking it in the direction > they have, but even so, I can still admit Access' short-comings. I think > that's just being realistic and frankly, you need to do that in order to > give your clients/users the best of what they really need. I love Access, > but I'm not a junkie. :) > > Susan H. > > > > > OK, for those interested, here's the link that will give you a logged in > > view of the EE thread that gustav mentioned: > > > > http://rdsrc.us/lIghoA > > > > > > Comments on Susan's article are the last fifteen or so comments at the > > bottom of the thread (about 2/3'rds of the way down - first comment was > > posted 10/7 at 4:29 pm). > > > > This is a continually running thread we have in the Access Zone, so > there > > is a lot of stuff in the beginning that doesn't apply. > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Tue Oct 11 10:16:44 2011 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 11:16:44 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] We only notice the significant observations Message-ID: Ok, I plead guilty to the above. But nonetheless, it strikes me as Jungian synchronous how many times I glance at the time and it's 11:11 (am or pm, both count). Maybe this says more about when I am on-line than anything else, but it keeps on happening. It just happened 3 minutes ago, for the Nth-Hundred time this year. Anyone else experience similar "lucky numbers"? Granted, I ignore all the other random times, but even if I do that, and restrict the set to repeatable numbers (4:44, etc.), 11:11 keeps coming up for me most frequently. Perhaps I ought take this phenomenon to the craps table in the nearest casino LOL. A. From ssharkins at gmail.com Tue Oct 11 10:32:17 2011 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 11:32:17 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] We only notice the significant observations References: Message-ID: <76B9AA484280443FBCDB80730B8613A0@SusanHarkins> I do this frequently -- comes in spurts. I'll even wake up to see it's 2:22, 3:33, and so on. Kind of weird, but our brains are pretty powerful. I don't think they're lucky numbers. I don't think they're spirits messages (a common reasoning). I have no ideas why our brains would care, but maybe it's just because once it happens, we find it odd enough that our brain creates a little trigger -- when we stop being impressed by it, we stop seeing it. Just my guess and of course, it's worth zilch. Susan H. > Ok, I plead guilty to the above. But nonetheless, it strikes me as Jungian > synchronous how many times I glance at the time and it's 11:11 (am or pm, > both count). Maybe this says more about when I am on-line than anything > else, but it keeps on happening. It just happened 3 minutes ago, for the > Nth-Hundred time this year. > > Anyone else experience similar "lucky numbers"? > > Granted, I ignore all the other random times, but even if I do that, and > restrict the set to repeatable numbers (4:44, etc.), 11:11 keeps coming up > for me most frequently. Perhaps I ought take this phenomenon to the craps > table in the nearest casino LOL. > From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Tue Oct 11 11:15:49 2011 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 09:15:49 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] We only notice the significant observations In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9879741544574AB0827B9658FA8ACD4B@HAL9007> Perhaps you're in front of the clock (working, maybe?) at 11:11 than you are at 4:44. R -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2011 8:17 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: [AccessD] We only notice the significant observations Ok, I plead guilty to the above. But nonetheless, it strikes me as Jungian synchronous how many times I glance at the time and it's 11:11 (am or pm, both count). Maybe this says more about when I am on-line than anything else, but it keeps on happening. It just happened 3 minutes ago, for the Nth-Hundred time this year. Anyone else experience similar "lucky numbers"? Granted, I ignore all the other random times, but even if I do that, and restrict the set to repeatable numbers (4:44, etc.), 11:11 keeps coming up for me most frequently. Perhaps I ought take this phenomenon to the craps table in the nearest casino LOL. A. -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From markamatte at hotmail.com Tue Oct 11 11:20:54 2011 From: markamatte at hotmail.com (Mark A Matte) Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 16:20:54 +0000 Subject: [AccessD] We only notice the significant observations In-Reply-To: <9879741544574AB0827B9658FA8ACD4B@HAL9007> References: , <9879741544574AB0827B9658FA8ACD4B@HAL9007> Message-ID: The number that has always caught my attention was 256...whether it is 2:56 am/pm...the computer world...or even the first military unit I belonged to(256 Brigade 5th ID)...it just stands out in my mind and catches my attention (along with all the ones Arthur mentioned as well). Mark A. Matte > From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com > Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 09:15:49 -0700 > Subject: Re: [AccessD] We only notice the significant observations > > Perhaps you're in front of the clock (working, maybe?) at 11:11 than you are > at 4:44. > > R > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller > Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2011 8:17 AM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: [AccessD] We only notice the significant observations > > Ok, I plead guilty to the above. But nonetheless, it strikes me as Jungian > synchronous how many times I glance at the time and it's 11:11 (am or pm, > both count). Maybe this says more about when I am on-line than anything > else, but it keeps on happening. It just happened 3 minutes ago, for the > Nth-Hundred time this year. > > Anyone else experience similar "lucky numbers"? > > Granted, I ignore all the other random times, but even if I do that, and > restrict the set to repeatable numbers (4:44, etc.), 11:11 keeps coming up > for me most frequently. Perhaps I ought take this phenomenon to the craps > table in the nearest casino LOL. > > A. > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From michael at mattysconsulting.com Tue Oct 11 11:39:07 2011 From: michael at mattysconsulting.com (Michael Mattys) Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 12:39:07 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] We only notice the significant observations In-Reply-To: References: , <9879741544574AB0827B9658FA8ACD4B@HAL9007> Message-ID: <00b001cc8834$4de2fc20$e9a8f460$@mattysconsulting.com> I've always liked 10:01 - looks like a face with glasses. Other fascinations are those word-drawings people make, like the smiley :), and those short essays with missing words, missing letters, or misspellings that our brains can piece together for better or worse. This may be related to the Crime Scene Investigation phenomenon... All DA's and lawyers are experts in knowing how 'evidence' can be pieced together in such a manner as to convict someone of something that never happened or spin things in such a way as to provide acquittal from very serious charges. You may have even been convinced that 'evolution' is an actual scientific possibility ... Michael R Mattys Mattys Consulting, LLC www.mattysconsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark A Matte Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2011 12:21 PM To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [AccessD] We only notice the significant observations The number that has always caught my attention was 256...whether it is 2:56 am/pm...the computer world...or even the first military unit I belonged to(256 Brigade 5th ID)...it just stands out in my mind and catches my attention (along with all the ones Arthur mentioned as well). Mark A. Matte > From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com > Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 09:15:49 -0700 > Subject: Re: [AccessD] We only notice the significant observations > > Perhaps you're in front of the clock (working, maybe?) at 11:11 than > you are at 4:44. > > R > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur > Fuller > Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2011 8:17 AM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: [AccessD] We only notice the significant observations > > Ok, I plead guilty to the above. But nonetheless, it strikes me as > Jungian synchronous how many times I glance at the time and it's 11:11 > (am or pm, both count). Maybe this says more about when I am on-line > than anything else, but it keeps on happening. It just happened 3 > minutes ago, for the Nth-Hundred time this year. > > Anyone else experience similar "lucky numbers"? > > Granted, I ignore all the other random times, but even if I do that, > and restrict the set to repeatable numbers (4:44, etc.), 11:11 keeps > coming up for me most frequently. Perhaps I ought take this phenomenon > to the craps table in the nearest casino LOL. > > A. > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Lambert.Heenan at chartisinsurance.com Tue Oct 11 12:06:22 2011 From: Lambert.Heenan at chartisinsurance.com (Heenan, Lambert) Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 13:06:22 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] We only notice the significant observations In-Reply-To: <00b001cc8834$4de2fc20$e9a8f460$@mattysconsulting.com> References: , <9879741544574AB0827B9658FA8ACD4B@HAL9007> <00b001cc8834$4de2fc20$e9a8f460$@mattysconsulting.com> Message-ID: Hmm. New guy on the block makes controversial remark first time out of the starting gate. Is there any other science that you consider to be just a matter of opinion? Obviously you're not a flat-earther, but anything else from the real world of science that troubles you? Lambert :-) -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Michael Mattys Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2011 12:39 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] We only notice the significant observations I've always liked 10:01 - looks like a face with glasses. Other fascinations are those word-drawings people make, like the smiley :), and those short essays with missing words, missing letters, or misspellings that our brains can piece together for better or worse. This may be related to the Crime Scene Investigation phenomenon... All DA's and lawyers are experts in knowing how 'evidence' can be pieced together in such a manner as to convict someone of something that never happened or spin things in such a way as to provide acquittal from very serious charges. You may have even been convinced that 'evolution' is an actual scientific possibility ... Michael R Mattys Mattys Consulting, LLC www.mattysconsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark A Matte Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2011 12:21 PM To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [AccessD] We only notice the significant observations The number that has always caught my attention was 256...whether it is 2:56 am/pm...the computer world...or even the first military unit I belonged to(256 Brigade 5th ID)...it just stands out in my mind and catches my attention (along with all the ones Arthur mentioned as well). Mark A. Matte > From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com > Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 09:15:49 -0700 > Subject: Re: [AccessD] We only notice the significant observations > > Perhaps you're in front of the clock (working, maybe?) at 11:11 than > you are at 4:44. > > R > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur > Fuller > Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2011 8:17 AM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: [AccessD] We only notice the significant observations > > Ok, I plead guilty to the above. But nonetheless, it strikes me as > Jungian synchronous how many times I glance at the time and it's 11:11 > (am or pm, both count). Maybe this says more about when I am on-line > than anything else, but it keeps on happening. It just happened 3 > minutes ago, for the Nth-Hundred time this year. > > Anyone else experience similar "lucky numbers"? > > Granted, I ignore all the other random times, but even if I do that, > and restrict the set to repeatable numbers (4:44, etc.), 11:11 keeps > coming up for me most frequently. Perhaps I ought take this phenomenon > to the craps table in the nearest casino LOL. > > A. > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From davidmcafee at gmail.com Tue Oct 11 12:11:56 2011 From: davidmcafee at gmail.com (David McAfee) Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 10:11:56 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] We only notice the significant observations In-Reply-To: References: <9879741544574AB0827B9658FA8ACD4B@HAL9007> <00b001cc8834$4de2fc20$e9a8f460$@mattysconsulting.com> Message-ID: We keep waking up at 3:00AM, but we think it has to do more with a ghost than with lucky numbers ;) On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 10:06 AM, Heenan, Lambert < Lambert.Heenan at chartisinsurance.com> wrote: > Hmm. New guy on the block makes controversial remark first time out of the > starting gate. Is there any other science that you consider to be just a > matter of opinion? Obviously you're not a flat-earther, but anything else > from the real world of science that troubles you? > > Lambert :-) > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto: > accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Michael Mattys > Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2011 12:39 PM > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > Subject: Re: [AccessD] We only notice the significant observations > > I've always liked 10:01 - looks like a face with glasses. > > Other fascinations are those word-drawings people make, like the smiley :), > and those short essays with missing words, missing letters, or misspellings > that our brains can piece together for better or worse. > > This may be related to the Crime Scene Investigation phenomenon... > All DA's and lawyers are experts in knowing how 'evidence' can be pieced > together in such a manner as to convict someone of something that never > happened or spin things in such a way as to provide acquittal from very > serious charges. > > You may have even been convinced that 'evolution' is an actual scientific > possibility ... > > Michael R Mattys > Mattys Consulting, LLC > www.mattysconsulting.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark A Matte > Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2011 12:21 PM > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com > Subject: Re: [AccessD] We only notice the significant observations > > > The number that has always caught my attention was 256...whether it is 2:56 > am/pm...the computer world...or even the first military unit I belonged > to(256 Brigade 5th ID)...it just stands out in my mind and catches my > attention (along with all the ones Arthur mentioned as well). > > Mark A. Matte > > > > From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com > > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com > > Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 09:15:49 -0700 > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] We only notice the significant observations > > > > Perhaps you're in front of the clock (working, maybe?) at 11:11 than > > you are at 4:44. > > > > R > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur > > Fuller > > Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2011 8:17 AM > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > > Subject: [AccessD] We only notice the significant observations > > > > Ok, I plead guilty to the above. But nonetheless, it strikes me as > > Jungian synchronous how many times I glance at the time and it's 11:11 > > (am or pm, both count). Maybe this says more about when I am on-line > > than anything else, but it keeps on happening. It just happened 3 > > minutes ago, for the Nth-Hundred time this year. > > > > Anyone else experience similar "lucky numbers"? > > > > Granted, I ignore all the other random times, but even if I do that, > > and restrict the set to repeatable numbers (4:44, etc.), 11:11 keeps > > coming up for me most frequently. Perhaps I ought take this phenomenon > > to the craps table in the nearest casino LOL. > > > > A. > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From michael at mattysconsulting.com Tue Oct 11 12:26:42 2011 From: michael at mattysconsulting.com (Michael Mattys) Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 13:26:42 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] We only notice the significant observations In-Reply-To: References: , <9879741544574AB0827B9658FA8ACD4B@HAL9007> <00b001cc8834$4de2fc20$e9a8f460$@mattysconsulting.com> Message-ID: <00c601cc883a$f23a00b0$d6ae0210$@mattysconsulting.com> I've been here since the first Access-D, Lambert :) Michael R Mattys Mattys Consulting, LLC www.mattysconsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan, Lambert Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2011 1:06 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] We only notice the significant observations Hmm. New guy on the block makes controversial remark first time out of the starting gate. Is there any other science that you consider to be just a matter of opinion? Obviously you're not a flat-earther, but anything else from the real world of science that troubles you? Lambert :-) -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Michael Mattys Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2011 12:39 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] We only notice the significant observations I've always liked 10:01 - looks like a face with glasses. Other fascinations are those word-drawings people make, like the smiley :), and those short essays with missing words, missing letters, or misspellings that our brains can piece together for better or worse. This may be related to the Crime Scene Investigation phenomenon... All DA's and lawyers are experts in knowing how 'evidence' can be pieced together in such a manner as to convict someone of something that never happened or spin things in such a way as to provide acquittal from very serious charges. You may have even been convinced that 'evolution' is an actual scientific possibility ... Michael R Mattys Mattys Consulting, LLC www.mattysconsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark A Matte Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2011 12:21 PM To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [AccessD] We only notice the significant observations The number that has always caught my attention was 256...whether it is 2:56 am/pm...the computer world...or even the first military unit I belonged to(256 Brigade 5th ID)...it just stands out in my mind and catches my attention (along with all the ones Arthur mentioned as well). Mark A. Matte > From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com > Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 09:15:49 -0700 > Subject: Re: [AccessD] We only notice the significant observations > > Perhaps you're in front of the clock (working, maybe?) at 11:11 than > you are at 4:44. > > R > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur > Fuller > Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2011 8:17 AM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: [AccessD] We only notice the significant observations > > Ok, I plead guilty to the above. But nonetheless, it strikes me as > Jungian synchronous how many times I glance at the time and it's 11:11 > (am or pm, both count). Maybe this says more about when I am on-line > than anything else, but it keeps on happening. It just happened 3 > minutes ago, for the Nth-Hundred time this year. > > Anyone else experience similar "lucky numbers"? > > Granted, I ignore all the other random times, but even if I do that, > and restrict the set to repeatable numbers (4:44, etc.), 11:11 keeps > coming up for me most frequently. Perhaps I ought take this phenomenon > to the craps table in the nearest casino LOL. > > A. > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From charlotte.foust at gmail.com Tue Oct 11 12:30:52 2011 From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust) Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 10:30:52 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] We only notice the significant observations In-Reply-To: <00c601cc883a$f23a00b0$d6ae0210$@mattysconsulting.com> References: <9879741544574AB0827B9658FA8ACD4B@HAL9007> <00b001cc8834$4de2fc20$e9a8f460$@mattysconsulting.com> <00c601cc883a$f23a00b0$d6ae0210$@mattysconsulting.com> Message-ID: Now, boys, play nicely! Charlotte Foust On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 10:26 AM, Michael Mattys < michael at mattysconsulting.com> wrote: > I've been here since the first Access-D, Lambert :) > > Michael R Mattys > Mattys Consulting, LLC > www.mattysconsulting.com > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan, Lambert > Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2011 1:06 PM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] We only notice the significant observations > > Hmm. New guy on the block makes controversial remark first time out of the > starting gate. Is there any other science that you consider to be just a > matter of opinion? Obviously you're not a flat-earther, but anything else > from the real world of science that troubles you? > > Lambert :-) > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Michael Mattys > Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2011 12:39 PM > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > Subject: Re: [AccessD] We only notice the significant observations > > > You may have even been convinced that 'evolution' is an actual scientific > possibility ... > > Michael R Mattys > Mattys Consulting, LLC > www.mattysconsulting.com > > > > From Lambert.Heenan at chartisinsurance.com Tue Oct 11 12:46:46 2011 From: Lambert.Heenan at chartisinsurance.com (Heenan, Lambert) Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 13:46:46 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] We only notice the significant observations In-Reply-To: <00c601cc883a$f23a00b0$d6ae0210$@mattysconsulting.com> References: , <9879741544574AB0827B9658FA8ACD4B@HAL9007> <00b001cc8834$4de2fc20$e9a8f460$@mattysconsulting.com> <00c601cc883a$f23a00b0$d6ae0210$@mattysconsulting.com> Message-ID: Sorry Michael. I must not have been paying too much attention lately. Lambert -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Michael Mattys Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2011 1:27 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] We only notice the significant observations I've been here since the first Access-D, Lambert :) Michael R Mattys Mattys Consulting, LLC www.mattysconsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan, Lambert Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2011 1:06 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] We only notice the significant observations Hmm. New guy on the block makes controversial remark first time out of the starting gate. Is there any other science that you consider to be just a matter of opinion? Obviously you're not a flat-earther, but anything else from the real world of science that troubles you? Lambert :-) -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Michael Mattys Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2011 12:39 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] We only notice the significant observations I've always liked 10:01 - looks like a face with glasses. Other fascinations are those word-drawings people make, like the smiley :), and those short essays with missing words, missing letters, or misspellings that our brains can piece together for better or worse. This may be related to the Crime Scene Investigation phenomenon... All DA's and lawyers are experts in knowing how 'evidence' can be pieced together in such a manner as to convict someone of something that never happened or spin things in such a way as to provide acquittal from very serious charges. You may have even been convinced that 'evolution' is an actual scientific possibility ... Michael R Mattys Mattys Consulting, LLC www.mattysconsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark A Matte Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2011 12:21 PM To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [AccessD] We only notice the significant observations The number that has always caught my attention was 256...whether it is 2:56 am/pm...the computer world...or even the first military unit I belonged to(256 Brigade 5th ID)...it just stands out in my mind and catches my attention (along with all the ones Arthur mentioned as well). Mark A. Matte > From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com > Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 09:15:49 -0700 > Subject: Re: [AccessD] We only notice the significant observations > > Perhaps you're in front of the clock (working, maybe?) at 11:11 than > you are at 4:44. > > R > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur > Fuller > Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2011 8:17 AM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: [AccessD] We only notice the significant observations > > Ok, I plead guilty to the above. But nonetheless, it strikes me as > Jungian synchronous how many times I glance at the time and it's 11:11 > (am or pm, both count). Maybe this says more about when I am on-line > than anything else, but it keeps on happening. It just happened 3 > minutes ago, for the Nth-Hundred time this year. > > Anyone else experience similar "lucky numbers"? > > Granted, I ignore all the other random times, but even if I do that, > and restrict the set to repeatable numbers (4:44, etc.), 11:11 keeps > coming up for me most frequently. Perhaps I ought take this phenomenon > to the craps table in the nearest casino LOL. > > A. > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From michael at mattysconsulting.com Tue Oct 11 13:29:51 2011 From: michael at mattysconsulting.com (Michael Mattys) Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 14:29:51 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] We only notice the significant observations In-Reply-To: References: , <9879741544574AB0827B9658FA8ACD4B@HAL9007> <00b001cc8834$4de2fc20$e9a8f460$@mattysconsulting.com> <00c601cc883a$f23a00b0$d6ae0210$@mattysconsulting.com> Message-ID: <00dd01cc8843$c49cf9b0$4dd6ed10$@mattysconsulting.com> No problem, Lambert. Your input is well respected at this end of the line. Michael R Mattys Mattys Consulting, LLC www.mattysconsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan, Lambert Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2011 1:47 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] We only notice the significant observations Sorry Michael. I must not have been paying too much attention lately. Lambert -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Michael Mattys Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2011 1:27 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] We only notice the significant observations I've been here since the first Access-D, Lambert :) Michael R Mattys Mattys Consulting, LLC www.mattysconsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan, Lambert Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2011 1:06 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] We only notice the significant observations Hmm. New guy on the block makes controversial remark first time out of the starting gate. Is there any other science that you consider to be just a matter of opinion? Obviously you're not a flat-earther, but anything else from the real world of science that troubles you? Lambert :-) -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Michael Mattys Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2011 12:39 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] We only notice the significant observations I've always liked 10:01 - looks like a face with glasses. Other fascinations are those word-drawings people make, like the smiley :), and those short essays with missing words, missing letters, or misspellings that our brains can piece together for better or worse. This may be related to the Crime Scene Investigation phenomenon... All DA's and lawyers are experts in knowing how 'evidence' can be pieced together in such a manner as to convict someone of something that never happened or spin things in such a way as to provide acquittal from very serious charges. You may have even been convinced that 'evolution' is an actual scientific possibility ... Michael R Mattys Mattys Consulting, LLC www.mattysconsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark A Matte Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2011 12:21 PM To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [AccessD] We only notice the significant observations The number that has always caught my attention was 256...whether it is 2:56 am/pm...the computer world...or even the first military unit I belonged to(256 Brigade 5th ID)...it just stands out in my mind and catches my attention (along with all the ones Arthur mentioned as well). Mark A. Matte > From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com > Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 09:15:49 -0700 > Subject: Re: [AccessD] We only notice the significant observations > > Perhaps you're in front of the clock (working, maybe?) at 11:11 than > you are at 4:44. > > R > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur > Fuller > Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2011 8:17 AM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: [AccessD] We only notice the significant observations > > Ok, I plead guilty to the above. But nonetheless, it strikes me as > Jungian synchronous how many times I glance at the time and it's 11:11 > (am or pm, both count). Maybe this says more about when I am on-line > than anything else, but it keeps on happening. It just happened 3 > minutes ago, for the Nth-Hundred time this year. > > Anyone else experience similar "lucky numbers"? > > Granted, I ignore all the other random times, but even if I do that, > and restrict the set to repeatable numbers (4:44, etc.), 11:11 keeps > coming up for me most frequently. Perhaps I ought take this phenomenon > to the craps table in the nearest casino LOL. > > A. > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From rls at webedb.com Tue Oct 11 16:10:11 2011 From: rls at webedb.com (rls at webedb.com) Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 14:10:11 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Writing and Hosting a Web Service in the SharePoint Message-ID: <24.4f53feababc3aa8dbbd2@C15472-140440> http://www.microsoft.com/download/en/details.aspx?id=27417 Try this one instead. The first one seems to be the link to the beta software. Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2011 10:15:57 +0400 From: "Shamil Salakhetdinov" To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" Cc: "'Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues.'" Subject: [dba-VB] Writing and Hosting a Web Service in the SharePoint 2010 Demo Virtual Machine... Message-ID: <4D3A0180687B4AF8B4695CC635BAA56A at nant> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="koi8-r" Hi All -- In this article/blog entry: Writing and Hosting a Web Service in the SharePoint 2010 Demo Virtual Machine http://blogs.msdn.com/b/ericwhite/archive/2010/07/16/writing-and-hosting-a-web-service-in-the-sharepoint-2010-demo-virtual-machine.aspx the author refers to a test virtual machine image with SharePoint 2010 configured: "http://www.microsoft.com/download/en/details.aspx?displaylang=en&id=21099" but VM isn't available there for downloading. Do you know is it still available for free downloading from MS web site? (Was it a free download?) Thank you. From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au Tue Oct 11 18:58:06 2011 From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins) Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 10:58:06 +1100 Subject: [AccessD] We only notice the significant observations In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <001e01cc8871$9f484f60$ddd8ee20$@com.au> Humans seems to be hardwired to observe patterns and narratives, even in randomness. Maybe it is because of randomness? Dunno, but they do know we will make up a pattern and story out of nothingness... -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Wednesday, 12 October 2011 2:17 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: [AccessD] We only notice the significant observations Ok, I plead guilty to the above. But nonetheless, it strikes me as Jungian synchronous how many times I glance at the time and it's 11:11 (am or pm, both count). Maybe this says more about when I am on-line than anything else, but it keeps on happening. It just happened 3 minutes ago, for the Nth-Hundred time this year. Anyone else experience similar "lucky numbers"? Granted, I ignore all the other random times, but even if I do that, and restrict the set to repeatable numbers (4:44, etc.), 11:11 keeps coming up for me most frequently. Perhaps I ought take this phenomenon to the craps table in the nearest casino LOL. A. -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au Tue Oct 11 19:20:27 2011 From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins) Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 11:20:27 +1100 Subject: [AccessD] Writing and Hosting a Web Service in the SharePoint 2010 Demo Virtual Machine... In-Reply-To: References: <631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB082956A302CE171@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk> Message-ID: <000101cc8874$be361120$3aa23360$@com.au> Shamil, I might be way off here as I haven't been following this thread, but Office 365 for small business does just that and more. It is a good solution for those folks who want an enterprise Outlook Exchange server and full Sharepoint functionality, but don't have the time, technical skills and/or money to have a dedicated server up and running just for their business. Maybe worth a look. You can have a free trial if nothing else. http://www.microsoft.com/en-au/office365/online-software.aspx I have been automatically pointed to the AU (Aussie) site, you the link above may not be ideal for you. Maybe just try www.office365.com instead regards Darryl. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil Salakhetdinov Sent: Tuesday, 11 October 2011 12:44 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Writing and Hosting a Web Service in the SharePoint 2010 Demo Virtual Machine... Thank you Martin, And do you know there exist any paid (economical class - pay per API call - something like that) SharePoint hosting services with SharePoint 2010 Word Automation Services (http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ff742315.aspx) and SharePoint 2010 Excel Services (http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ff640648.aspx) ? Thank you. -- Shamil -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Martin Reid Sent: 10 ??????? 2011 ?. 10:58 To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Cc: 'Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues.' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Writing and Hosting a Web Service in the SharePoint 2010 Demo Virtual Machine... It should be there and its free but times out at 180 days. Martin Sent from my Windows Phone ________________________________ From: Shamil Salakhetdinov Sent: 10/10/2011 07:19 To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Cc: 'Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues.' Subject: [AccessD] Writing and Hosting a Web Service in the SharePoint 2010 Demo Virtual Machine... Hi All -- In this article/blog entry: Writing and Hosting a Web Service in the SharePoint 2010 Demo Virtual Machine http://blogs.msdn.com/b/ericwhite/archive/2010/07/16/writing-and-hosting-a-w eb-service-in-the-sharepoint-2010-demo-virtual-machine.aspx the author refers to a test virtual machine image with SharePoint 2010 configured: "My favorite way to develop/experiment/write about SharePoint 2010 is to use the 2010 Information Worker Demonstration and Evaluation Virtual Machine. It is a great virtual machine - finely tuned, and has all of the necessary software installed, including SharePoint Server 2010, Visual Studio 2010, Office 2010, etc. I do on occasion build my own virtual machines when absolutely necessary, but I consider it a necessary evil, not something that I enjoy." The link directs to "http://www.microsoft.com/download/en/details.aspx?displaylang=en&id=21099" but VM isn't available there for downloading. Do you know is it still available for free downloading from MS web site? (Was it a free download?) Thank you. -- Shamil -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Wed Oct 12 05:42:22 2011 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 06:42:22 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] We only notice the significant observations In-Reply-To: References: , <9879741544574AB0827B9658FA8ACD4B@HAL9007> <00b001cc8834$4de2fc20$e9a8f460$@mattysconsulting.com> Message-ID: <4E956F0E.3070704@colbyconsulting.com> >Obviously you're not a flat-earther Hey! There's no proof that the world is round! All those "pictures" from the space station are just the government trying to cover up all the wasted funds by claiming scientific advances! ;) John W. Colby Colby Consulting On 10/11/2011 1:06 PM, Heenan, Lambert wrote: > Hmm. New guy on the block makes controversial remark first time out of the starting gate. Is there any other science that you consider to be just a matter of opinion? Obviously you're not a flat-earther, but anything else from the real world of science that troubles you? > > Lambert :-) > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Michael Mattys > Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2011 12:39 PM > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > Subject: Re: [AccessD] We only notice the significant observations > > I've always liked 10:01 - looks like a face with glasses. > > Other fascinations are those word-drawings people make, like the smiley :), and those short essays with missing words, missing letters, or misspellings that our brains can piece together for better or worse. > > This may be related to the Crime Scene Investigation phenomenon... > All DA's and lawyers are experts in knowing how 'evidence' can be pieced together in such a manner as to convict someone of something that never happened or spin things in such a way as to provide acquittal from very serious charges. > > You may have even been convinced that 'evolution' is an actual scientific possibility ... > > Michael R Mattys > Mattys Consulting, LLC > www.mattysconsulting.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark A Matte > Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2011 12:21 PM > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com > Subject: Re: [AccessD] We only notice the significant observations > > > The number that has always caught my attention was 256...whether it is 2:56 am/pm...the computer world...or even the first military unit I belonged > to(256 Brigade 5th ID)...it just stands out in my mind and catches my attention (along with all the ones Arthur mentioned as well). > > Mark A. Matte > > >> From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com >> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com >> Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 09:15:49 -0700 >> Subject: Re: [AccessD] We only notice the significant observations >> >> Perhaps you're in front of the clock (working, maybe?) at 11:11 than >> you are at 4:44. >> >> R >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur >> Fuller >> Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2011 8:17 AM >> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving >> Subject: [AccessD] We only notice the significant observations >> >> Ok, I plead guilty to the above. But nonetheless, it strikes me as >> Jungian synchronous how many times I glance at the time and it's 11:11 >> (am or pm, both count). Maybe this says more about when I am on-line >> than anything else, but it keeps on happening. It just happened 3 >> minutes ago, for the Nth-Hundred time this year. >> >> Anyone else experience similar "lucky numbers"? >> >> Granted, I ignore all the other random times, but even if I do that, >> and restrict the set to repeatable numbers (4:44, etc.), 11:11 keeps >> coming up for me most frequently. Perhaps I ought take this phenomenon >> to the craps table in the nearest casino LOL. >> >> A. >> -- >> AccessD mailing list >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> -- >> AccessD mailing list >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From fuller.artful at gmail.com Wed Oct 12 06:23:31 2011 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 07:23:31 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] We only notice the significant observations In-Reply-To: <4E956F0E.3070704@colbyconsulting.com> References: <9879741544574AB0827B9658FA8ACD4B@HAL9007> <00b001cc8834$4de2fc20$e9a8f460$@mattysconsulting.com> <4E956F0E.3070704@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: Besides, the moon landing was shot in Arizona. A. On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 6:42 AM, jwcolby wrote: > >Obviously you're not a flat-earther > > Hey! There's no proof that the world is round! All those "pictures" from > the space station are just the government trying to cover up all the wasted > funds by claiming scientific advances! > > ;) > > John W. Colby > Colby Consulting > > From michael at mattysconsulting.com Wed Oct 12 09:19:38 2011 From: michael at mattysconsulting.com (Michael Mattys) Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 10:19:38 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] We only notice the significant observations In-Reply-To: References: <9879741544574AB0827B9658FA8ACD4B@HAL9007> <00b001cc8834$4de2fc20$e9a8f460$@mattysconsulting.com> <4E956F0E.3070704@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <001101cc88e9$fab22c40$f01684c0$@mattysconsulting.com> I enjoyed that 1995 speech by Steve Jobs, Arthur. "Stay hungry, stay foolish." I would love to learn the programming language of adding information to DNA. http://www.evolutionofdna.com/Evolution-Of-DNA.html Michael R Mattys Mattys Consulting, LLC www.mattysconsulting.com From michael at mattysconsulting.com Wed Oct 12 12:20:22 2011 From: michael at mattysconsulting.com (Michael Mattys) Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 13:20:22 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] We only notice the significant observations In-Reply-To: <001101cc88e9$fab22c40$f01684c0$@mattysconsulting.com> References: <9879741544574AB0827B9658FA8ACD4B@HAL9007> <00b001cc8834$4de2fc20$e9a8f460$@mattysconsulting.com> <4E956F0E.3070704@colbyconsulting.com> <001101cc88e9$fab22c40$f01684c0$@mattysconsulting.com> Message-ID: <002101cc8903$3a4e9f00$aeebdd00$@mattysconsulting.com> Wonderful stuff. http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/evolution/darwin-never-knew.html http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/evolution/are-we-still-evolving.html Michael R Mattys Mattys Consulting, LLC -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Michael Mattys Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2011 10:20 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] We only notice the significant observations I enjoyed that 1995 speech by Steve Jobs, Arthur. "Stay hungry, stay foolish." I would love to learn the programming language of adding information to DNA. http://www.evolutionofdna.com/Evolution-Of-DNA.html Michael R Mattys Mattys Consulting, LLC www.mattysconsulting.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Wed Oct 12 12:29:01 2011 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 10:29:01 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] We only notice the significant observations In-Reply-To: <002101cc8903$3a4e9f00$aeebdd00$@mattysconsulting.com> References: <9879741544574AB0827B9658FA8ACD4B@HAL9007> <00b001cc8834$4de2fc20$e9a8f460$@mattysconsulting.com> <4E956F0E.3070704@colbyconsulting.com> <001101cc88e9$fab22c40$f01684c0$@mattysconsulting.com> <002101cc8903$3a4e9f00$aeebdd00$@mattysconsulting.com> Message-ID: <796FF76F19964BA284F79C474C9C0C71@creativesystemdesigns.com> A very good read. Jim -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Michael Mattys Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2011 10:20 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] We only notice the significant observations Wonderful stuff. http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/evolution/darwin-never-knew.html http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/evolution/are-we-still-evolving.html Michael R Mattys Mattys Consulting, LLC -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Michael Mattys Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2011 10:20 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] We only notice the significant observations I enjoyed that 1995 speech by Steve Jobs, Arthur. "Stay hungry, stay foolish." I would love to learn the programming language of adding information to DNA. http://www.evolutionofdna.com/Evolution-Of-DNA.html Michael R Mattys Mattys Consulting, LLC www.mattysconsulting.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Wed Oct 12 12:59:35 2011 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 13:59:35 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] We only notice the significant observations In-Reply-To: <002101cc8903$3a4e9f00$aeebdd00$@mattysconsulting.com> References: <9879741544574AB0827B9658FA8ACD4B@HAL9007> <00b001cc8834$4de2fc20$e9a8f460$@mattysconsulting.com> <4E956F0E.3070704@colbyconsulting.com> <001101cc88e9$fab22c40$f01684c0$@mattysconsulting.com> <002101cc8903$3a4e9f00$aeebdd00$@mattysconsulting.com> Message-ID: <4E95D587.5070908@colbyconsulting.com> Indeed. We find truth in the strangest places. John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it On 10/12/2011 1:20 PM, Michael Mattys wrote: > Wonderful stuff. > > http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/evolution/darwin-never-knew.html > http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/evolution/are-we-still-evolving.html > > Michael R Mattys > Mattys Consulting, LLC > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Michael Mattys > Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2011 10:20 AM > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > Subject: Re: [AccessD] We only notice the significant observations > > I enjoyed that 1995 speech by Steve Jobs, Arthur. > "Stay hungry, stay foolish." > > I would love to learn the programming language of adding information to DNA. > http://www.evolutionofdna.com/Evolution-Of-DNA.html > > Michael R Mattys > Mattys Consulting, LLC > www.mattysconsulting.com > > From michael at mattysconsulting.com Wed Oct 12 14:09:42 2011 From: michael at mattysconsulting.com (Michael Mattys) Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 15:09:42 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] We only notice the significant observations In-Reply-To: <4E95D587.5070908@colbyconsulting.com> References: <9879741544574AB0827B9658FA8ACD4B@HAL9007> <00b001cc8834$4de2fc20$e9a8f460$@mattysconsulting.com> <4E956F0E.3070704@colbyconsulting.com> <001101cc88e9$fab22c40$f01684c0$@mattysconsulting.com> <002101cc8903$3a4e9f00$aeebdd00$@mattysconsulting.com> <4E95D587.5070908@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <002901cc8912$808c5980$81a50c80$@mattysconsulting.com> I didn't get anything from there that I didn't know already. Michael R Mattys Mattys Consulting, LLC www.mattysconsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2011 2:00 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] We only notice the significant observations Indeed. We find truth in the strangest places. John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it On 10/12/2011 1:20 PM, Michael Mattys wrote: > Wonderful stuff. > > http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/evolution/darwin-never-knew.html > http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/evolution/are-we-still-evolving.html > > Michael R Mattys > Mattys Consulting, LLC > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Michael Mattys > Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2011 10:20 AM > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > Subject: Re: [AccessD] We only notice the significant observations > > I enjoyed that 1995 speech by Steve Jobs, Arthur. > "Stay hungry, stay foolish." > > I would love to learn the programming language of adding information to DNA. > http://www.evolutionofdna.com/Evolution-Of-DNA.html > > Michael R Mattys > Mattys Consulting, LLC > www.mattysconsulting.com > > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Thu Oct 13 05:59:05 2011 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 06:59:05 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Optimizing query when select part requires a calculation In-Reply-To: <004b01cc8201$8fc0d7e0$af4287a0$@gmail.com> References: <004b01cc8201$8fc0d7e0$af4287a0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: It seems you made a copy+paste error in your message. 1a and 1b seem identical, even to the point of being both labelled 1a. Method 2 strikes me as nonsensical. How could a left join end up with nulls on the first table? As for option 3, Any IN() or NOT IN() expression forces a full table scan, regardless of the indexes available that might be more profitably used. Stay away from IN() unless there's no other alternative. HTH, Arthur On Mon, Oct 3, 2011 at 3:20 PM, William Benson (VBACreations.Com) < vbacreations at gmail.com> wrote: > Optimizing a query that compares calculated result from each table. I have > 2 tables Tbl1 and Tbl2, each with the same two columns [A] and [B]; I > wanted > to ask Access what values from the combination of these two fields exist in > one but not the other. I used "|" as a separator. I want to know > > (1) Why method 1a and 1b are equivalent > (2) Why Method 2 is not required (ie, why can I test either item for Null > and it represents the combination is null, not the single field on its own) > (3) Why Method 3 takes hundreds of times longer > > > > 'METHOD 1a > SELECT [Tbl1].[A] & "|" & [Tbl1].[B] AS ResultX > FROM Tbl1 LEFT JOIN Tbl2 ON (Tbl1.[B] = Tbl2.[B]) AND (Tbl1.[A] = Tbl2.[A]) > WHERE Tbl2.A Is Null > > 'METHOD 1a > SELECT [Tbl1].[A] & "|" & [Tbl1].[B] AS ResultX > FROM Tbl1 LEFT JOIN Tbl2 ON (Tbl1.[B] = Tbl2.[B]) AND (Tbl1.[A] = Tbl2.[A]) > WHERE Tbl2.B Is Null > > 'METHOD 2 > SELECT [Tbl1].[A] & "|" & [Tbl1].[B] AS ResultX > FROM Tbl1 LEFT JOIN Tbl2 ON (Tbl1.[B] = Tbl2.[B]) AND (Tbl1.[A] = Tbl2.[A]) > WHERE (Tbl2.A Is Null OR Tbl2.B Is Null) <--- Testing both seems not > necessary > > 'METHOD 3 > Select [Tbl1].[A] & "|" & [Tbl1].[B] as ResultX > From [Tbl1] > Where > [Tbl1].[A] & "|" & [Tbl1].[B] Not IN (Select [Tbl2].[A] & "|" & > [Tbl2].[B] as ResultY From [Tbl2]) > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Thu Oct 13 08:05:34 2011 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 09:05:34 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] See you in space! Message-ID: <4E96E21E.3080100@colbyconsulting.com> http://www.sqlservercentral.com/articles/Red+Gate+Software/76406/ -- John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it From vbacreations at gmail.com Thu Oct 13 09:10:05 2011 From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson) Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 10:10:05 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Optimizing query when select part requires a calculation In-Reply-To: References: <004b01cc8201$8fc0d7e0$af4287a0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Thank you. Yes a typo. They are not dentical the second one is 1b. They are comparing different fields for null. I guess I don't really understand join fields very well in a SQL statement that joins tables on multiple fields. I expect situations with sometimes table 1 and 2 both have a match on field A but not on B. And other records in 1 and 2 that match field B but don't match field A. That was why my I wrote method 2. Yes it is nonsensical but I don't really understand joins on more than one field. Thanks for explanation regarding. IN. On Oct 13, 2011 7:00 AM, "Arthur Fuller" wrote: > It seems you made a copy+paste error in your message. 1a and 1b seem > identical, even to the point of being both labelled 1a. > > Method 2 strikes me as nonsensical. How could a left join end up with nulls > on the first table? > > As for option 3, > > Any IN() or NOT IN() expression forces a full table scan, regardless of the > indexes available that might be more profitably used. Stay away from IN() > unless there's no other alternative. > > HTH, > Arthur > > On Mon, Oct 3, 2011 at 3:20 PM, William Benson (VBACreations.Com) < > vbacreations at gmail.com> wrote: > > > Optimizing a query that compares calculated result from each table. I > have > > 2 tables Tbl1 and Tbl2, each with the same two columns [A] and [B]; I > > wanted > > to ask Access what values from the combination of these two fields exist > in > > one but not the other. I used "|" as a separator. I want to know > > > > (1) Why method 1a and 1b are equivalent > > (2) Why Method 2 is not required (ie, why can I test either item for Null > > and it represents the combination is null, not the single field on its > own) > > (3) Why Method 3 takes hundreds of times longer > > > > > > > > 'METHOD 1a > > SELECT [Tbl1].[A] & "|" & [Tbl1].[B] AS ResultX > > FROM Tbl1 LEFT JOIN Tbl2 ON (Tbl1.[B] = Tbl2.[B]) AND (Tbl1.[A] = > Tbl2.[A]) > > WHERE Tbl2.A Is Null > > > > 'METHOD 1a > > SELECT [Tbl1].[A] & "|" & [Tbl1].[B] AS ResultX > > FROM Tbl1 LEFT JOIN Tbl2 ON (Tbl1.[B] = Tbl2.[B]) AND (Tbl1.[A] = > Tbl2.[A]) > > WHERE Tbl2.B Is Null > > > > 'METHOD 2 > > SELECT [Tbl1].[A] & "|" & [Tbl1].[B] AS ResultX > > FROM Tbl1 LEFT JOIN Tbl2 ON (Tbl1.[B] = Tbl2.[B]) AND (Tbl1.[A] = > Tbl2.[A]) > > WHERE (Tbl2.A Is Null OR Tbl2.B Is Null) <--- Testing both seems not > > necessary > > > > 'METHOD 3 > > Select [Tbl1].[A] & "|" & [Tbl1].[B] as ResultX > > From [Tbl1] > > Where > > [Tbl1].[A] & "|" & [Tbl1].[B] Not IN (Select [Tbl2].[A] & "|" & > > [Tbl2].[B] as ResultY From [Tbl2]) > > > > > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From fuller.artful at gmail.com Thu Oct 13 09:41:05 2011 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 10:41:05 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Optimizing query when select part requires a calculation In-Reply-To: References: <004b01cc8201$8fc0d7e0$af4287a0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Pursuant to IN(). An often-preferred alternative is to create a temp-table consisting of the values contained within the IN(), and then to join this to the real tables. The time taken to construct the temp-table is negligible. Once it's created, the natural joins do all the heavy lifting for you. Since you want to join on multiple columns, I suggest that you create a calculated (virtual) column on both tables, and then do the join on those columns. It might require a little addition to your documentation, but it cleans up the mess rather nicely, IMO. HTH, Arthur From vbacreations at gmail.com Thu Oct 13 11:18:33 2011 From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson (VBACreations.Com)) Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 12:18:33 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] See you in space! In-Reply-To: <4E96E21E.3080100@colbyconsulting.com> References: <4E96E21E.3080100@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <009601cc89c3$c164d2a0$442e77e0$@gmail.com> Good reward for the lucky someone. For sure it won't be a beauty contest or a popularity contest as most such are. Ha Ha Ha I take slight issue with the thought expressed "It's the humble DBA who makes it happen - the Master of Data who enables medical records to be summoned in the blink of an eye, keeps transport running smoothly, manages the data beneath the electrical grid for billions of people and provides instant access to news, music, phone calls, money and an endless supply of entertainment." I think there are a lot of roles involved... I don't mind recognizing DBAs for their part, but good luck without all the other technicians and developers and support people... and the sales people who help businesses see where they need to scale and what solutions meet their needs. I would sure hate to say DBAs don't have a meaningful place in the world and I don't want to get on their bad side... but I hate the repeated calls to hyperbole, on a seemingly endlessly revolving basis of "who's the next class of people to say we owe it all to." -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2011 9:06 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving; Sqlserver-Dba Subject: [AccessD] See you in space! http://www.sqlservercentral.com/articles/Red+Gate+Software/76406/ -- John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Thu Oct 13 15:45:32 2011 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 16:45:32 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] See you in space! In-Reply-To: <009601cc89c3$c164d2a0$442e77e0$@gmail.com> References: <4E96E21E.3080100@colbyconsulting.com> <009601cc89c3$c164d2a0$442e77e0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4E974DEC.8060009@colbyconsulting.com> LOL. Ya'll owe it all to me, that's who. ;) John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it On 10/13/2011 12:18 PM, William Benson (VBACreations.Com) wrote: > Good reward for the lucky someone. For sure it won't be a beauty contest or > a popularity contest as most such are. > > > Ha Ha Ha > > > > I take slight issue with the thought expressed "It's the humble DBA who > makes it happen - the Master of Data who enables medical records to be > summoned in the blink of an eye, keeps transport running smoothly, manages > the data beneath the electrical grid for billions of people and provides > instant access to news, music, phone calls, money and an endless supply of > entertainment." > > I think there are a lot of roles involved... I don't mind recognizing DBAs > for their part, but good luck without all the other technicians and > developers and support people... and the sales people who help businesses > see where they need to scale and what solutions meet their needs. > > I would sure hate to say DBAs don't have a meaningful place in the world and > I don't want to get on their bad side... but I hate the repeated calls to > hyperbole, on a seemingly endlessly revolving basis of "who's the next class > of people to say we owe it all to." > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby > Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2011 9:06 AM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving; Sqlserver-Dba > Subject: [AccessD] See you in space! > > > http://www.sqlservercentral.com/articles/Red+Gate+Software/76406/ From ab-mi at post3.tele.dk Thu Oct 13 15:59:31 2011 From: ab-mi at post3.tele.dk (Asger Blond) Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 22:59:31 +0200 Subject: [AccessD] Optimizing query when select part requires acalculation In-Reply-To: References: <004b01cc8201$8fc0d7e0$af4287a0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <597195726B444DA89560BE2B9650AFE7@abpc> Arthur, You wrote: >> Any IN() or NOT IN() expression forces a full table scan, >> regardless of the indexes available... This is simply not true. If the subquery in an IN clause have a WHERE condition on an indexed column then this index will certainly be used in a SEEK operation if the index is considered useful for the query optimizer. It will be used in exactly the same way as when the statement enclosed in the IN clause is run separately. Asger -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Arthur Fuller Sendt: 13. oktober 2011 12:59 Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Emne: Re: [AccessD] Optimizing query when select part requires acalculation It seems you made a copy+paste error in your message. 1a and 1b seem identical, even to the point of being both labelled 1a. Method 2 strikes me as nonsensical. How could a left join end up with nulls on the first table? As for option 3, Any IN() or NOT IN() expression forces a full table scan, regardless of the indexes available that might be more profitably used. Stay away from IN() unless there's no other alternative. HTH, Arthur On Mon, Oct 3, 2011 at 3:20 PM, William Benson (VBACreations.Com) < vbacreations at gmail.com> wrote: > Optimizing a query that compares calculated result from each table. I have > 2 tables Tbl1 and Tbl2, each with the same two columns [A] and [B]; I > wanted > to ask Access what values from the combination of these two fields exist in > one but not the other. I used "|" as a separator. I want to know > > (1) Why method 1a and 1b are equivalent > (2) Why Method 2 is not required (ie, why can I test either item for Null > and it represents the combination is null, not the single field on its own) > (3) Why Method 3 takes hundreds of times longer > > > > 'METHOD 1a > SELECT [Tbl1].[A] & "|" & [Tbl1].[B] AS ResultX > FROM Tbl1 LEFT JOIN Tbl2 ON (Tbl1.[B] = Tbl2.[B]) AND (Tbl1.[A] = Tbl2.[A]) > WHERE Tbl2.A Is Null > > 'METHOD 1a > SELECT [Tbl1].[A] & "|" & [Tbl1].[B] AS ResultX > FROM Tbl1 LEFT JOIN Tbl2 ON (Tbl1.[B] = Tbl2.[B]) AND (Tbl1.[A] = Tbl2.[A]) > WHERE Tbl2.B Is Null > > 'METHOD 2 > SELECT [Tbl1].[A] & "|" & [Tbl1].[B] AS ResultX > FROM Tbl1 LEFT JOIN Tbl2 ON (Tbl1.[B] = Tbl2.[B]) AND (Tbl1.[A] = Tbl2.[A]) > WHERE (Tbl2.A Is Null OR Tbl2.B Is Null) <--- Testing both seems not > necessary > > 'METHOD 3 > Select [Tbl1].[A] & "|" & [Tbl1].[B] as ResultX > From [Tbl1] > Where > [Tbl1].[A] & "|" & [Tbl1].[B] Not IN (Select [Tbl2].[A] & "|" & > [Tbl2].[B] as ResultY From [Tbl2]) > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From ab-mi at post3.tele.dk Thu Oct 13 16:30:59 2011 From: ab-mi at post3.tele.dk (Asger Blond) Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 23:30:59 +0200 Subject: [AccessD] Optimizing query when select part requires acalculation In-Reply-To: References: <004b01cc8201$8fc0d7e0$af4287a0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Did you make some performance tests using this method? IMO your method is just a kind of manually construction of what the query optimizer automatically does for you when use an IN clause. And my guess is that the query optimizer would do the job more efficient. Asger -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Arthur Fuller Sendt: 13. oktober 2011 16:41 Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Emne: Re: [AccessD] Optimizing query when select part requires acalculation Pursuant to IN(). An often-preferred alternative is to create a temp-table consisting of the values contained within the IN(), and then to join this to the real tables. The time taken to construct the temp-table is negligible. Once it's created, the natural joins do all the heavy lifting for you. Since you want to join on multiple columns, I suggest that you create a calculated (virtual) column on both tables, and then do the join on those columns. It might require a little addition to your documentation, but it cleans up the mess rather nicely, IMO. HTH, Arthur -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From davidmcafee at gmail.com Thu Oct 13 16:41:00 2011 From: davidmcafee at gmail.com (David McAfee) Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 14:41:00 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Optimizing query when select part requires acalculation In-Reply-To: References: <004b01cc8201$8fc0d7e0$af4287a0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: I have read that NOTIN() Can give erroneous results, but I forget why at the moment. I'm guilty of using it too :/ On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 2:30 PM, Asger Blond wrote: > Did you make some performance tests using this method? > IMO your method is just a kind of manually construction of what the query > optimizer automatically does for you when use an IN clause. And my guess is > that the query optimizer would do the job more efficient. > Asger > > -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- > Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto: > accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Arthur Fuller > Sendt: 13. oktober 2011 16:41 > Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Emne: Re: [AccessD] Optimizing query when select part requires acalculation > > Pursuant to IN(). An often-preferred alternative is to create a temp-table > consisting of the values contained within the IN(), and then to join this > to > the real tables. The time taken to construct the temp-table is negligible. > Once it's created, the natural joins do all the heavy lifting for you. > > Since you want to join on multiple columns, I suggest that you create a > calculated (virtual) column on both tables, and then do the join on those > columns. It might require a little addition to your documentation, but it > cleans up the mess rather nicely, IMO. > > HTH, > Arthur > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From ab-mi at post3.tele.dk Thu Oct 13 17:02:38 2011 From: ab-mi at post3.tele.dk (Asger Blond) Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2011 00:02:38 +0200 Subject: [AccessD] Optimizing query when select part requiresacalculation In-Reply-To: References: <004b01cc8201$8fc0d7e0$af4287a0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <9357134BE7F641A5AAD46149B2FD8C50@abpc> David, Don't disseminate rumors... Maybe you just NOT have it IN. Couldn?t resist and no offence meant ;-) Asger -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af David McAfee Sendt: 13. oktober 2011 23:41 Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Emne: Re: [AccessD] Optimizing query when select part requiresacalculation I have read that NOTIN() Can give erroneous results, but I forget why at the moment. I'm guilty of using it too :/ On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 2:30 PM, Asger Blond wrote: > Did you make some performance tests using this method? > IMO your method is just a kind of manually construction of what the query > optimizer automatically does for you when use an IN clause. And my guess is > that the query optimizer would do the job more efficient. > Asger > > -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- > Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto: > accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Arthur Fuller > Sendt: 13. oktober 2011 16:41 > Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Emne: Re: [AccessD] Optimizing query when select part requires acalculation > > Pursuant to IN(). An often-preferred alternative is to create a temp-table > consisting of the values contained within the IN(), and then to join this > to > the real tables. The time taken to construct the temp-table is negligible. > Once it's created, the natural joins do all the heavy lifting for you. > > Since you want to join on multiple columns, I suggest that you create a > calculated (virtual) column on both tables, and then do the join on those > columns. It might require a little addition to your documentation, but it > cleans up the mess rather nicely, IMO. > > HTH, > Arthur > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From davidmcafee at gmail.com Thu Oct 13 17:19:12 2011 From: davidmcafee at gmail.com (David McAfee) Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 15:19:12 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Optimizing query when select part requiresacalculation In-Reply-To: <9357134BE7F641A5AAD46149B2FD8C50@abpc> References: <004b01cc8201$8fc0d7e0$af4287a0$@gmail.com> <9357134BE7F641A5AAD46149B2FD8C50@abpc> Message-ID: Did you feel that? Feel what? :) On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 3:02 PM, Asger Blond wrote: > David, > Don't disseminate rumors... > Maybe you just NOT have it IN. > Couldn?t resist and no offence meant ;-) > Asger > > -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- > Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto: > accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af David McAfee > Sendt: 13. oktober 2011 23:41 > Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Emne: Re: [AccessD] Optimizing query when select part requiresacalculation > > I have read that NOTIN() Can give erroneous results, but I forget why at > the > moment. > > I'm guilty of using it too :/ > > > > On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 2:30 PM, Asger Blond wrote: > > > Did you make some performance tests using this method? > > IMO your method is just a kind of manually construction of what the query > > optimizer automatically does for you when use an IN clause. And my guess > is > > that the query optimizer would do the job more efficient. > > Asger > > > > -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- > > Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto: > > accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Arthur Fuller > > Sendt: 13. oktober 2011 16:41 > > Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > > Emne: Re: [AccessD] Optimizing query when select part requires > acalculation > > > > Pursuant to IN(). An often-preferred alternative is to create a > temp-table > > consisting of the values contained within the IN(), and then to join this > > to > > the real tables. The time taken to construct the temp-table is > negligible. > > Once it's created, the natural joins do all the heavy lifting for you. > > > > Since you want to join on multiple columns, I suggest that you create a > > calculated (virtual) column on both tables, and then do the join on those > > columns. It might require a little addition to your documentation, but it > > cleans up the mess rather nicely, IMO. > > > > HTH, > > Arthur > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From ab-mi at post3.tele.dk Thu Oct 13 17:40:10 2011 From: ab-mi at post3.tele.dk (Asger Blond) Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2011 00:40:10 +0200 Subject: [AccessD] Optimizing query when select part requiresacalculation In-Reply-To: References: <004b01cc8201$8fc0d7e0$af4287a0$@gmail.com><9357134BE7F641A5AAD46149B2FD8C50@abpc> Message-ID: Well, I wasn't writing about feelings. But when asked so frankly then: Certainly NOT... Asger -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af David McAfee Sendt: 14. oktober 2011 00:19 Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Emne: Re: [AccessD] Optimizing query when select part requiresacalculation Did you feel that? Feel what? :) On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 3:02 PM, Asger Blond wrote: > David, > Don't disseminate rumors... > Maybe you just NOT have it IN. > Couldn?t resist and no offence meant ;-) > Asger > > -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- > Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto: > accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af David McAfee > Sendt: 13. oktober 2011 23:41 > Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Emne: Re: [AccessD] Optimizing query when select part requiresacalculation > > I have read that NOTIN() Can give erroneous results, but I forget why at > the > moment. > > I'm guilty of using it too :/ > > > > On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 2:30 PM, Asger Blond wrote: > > > Did you make some performance tests using this method? > > IMO your method is just a kind of manually construction of what the query > > optimizer automatically does for you when use an IN clause. And my guess > is > > that the query optimizer would do the job more efficient. > > Asger > > > > -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- > > Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto: > > accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Arthur Fuller > > Sendt: 13. oktober 2011 16:41 > > Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > > Emne: Re: [AccessD] Optimizing query when select part requires > acalculation > > > > Pursuant to IN(). An often-preferred alternative is to create a > temp-table > > consisting of the values contained within the IN(), and then to join this > > to > > the real tables. The time taken to construct the temp-table is > negligible. > > Once it's created, the natural joins do all the heavy lifting for you. > > > > Since you want to join on multiple columns, I suggest that you create a > > calculated (virtual) column on both tables, and then do the join on those > > columns. It might require a little addition to your documentation, but it > > cleans up the mess rather nicely, IMO. > > > > HTH, > > Arthur > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From davidmcafee at gmail.com Thu Oct 13 17:44:45 2011 From: davidmcafee at gmail.com (David McAfee) Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 15:44:45 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Optimizing query when select part requiresacalculation In-Reply-To: References: <004b01cc8201$8fc0d7e0$af4287a0$@gmail.com> <9357134BE7F641A5AAD46149B2FD8C50@abpc> Message-ID: :) Here's how Nulls affect NOTIN() http://www.simple-talk.com/sql/t-sql-programming/ten-common-sql-programming-mistakes/ On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 3:40 PM, Asger Blond wrote: > > Well, I wasn't writing about feelings. But when asked so frankly then: > Certainly NOT... > Asger > > -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- > Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto: > accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af David McAfee > Sendt: 14. oktober 2011 00:19 > Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Emne: Re: [AccessD] Optimizing query when select part requiresacalculation > > Did you feel that? > > Feel what? :) > > > > On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 3:02 PM, Asger Blond wrote: > > > David, > > Don't disseminate rumors... > > Maybe you just NOT have it IN. > > Couldn?t resist and no offence meant ;-) > > Asger > > > > -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- > > Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto: > > accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af David McAfee > > Sendt: 13. oktober 2011 23:41 > > Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > > Emne: Re: [AccessD] Optimizing query when select part > requiresacalculation > > > > I have read that NOTIN() Can give erroneous results, but I forget why at > > the > > moment. > > > > I'm guilty of using it too :/ > > > > > > > > On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 2:30 PM, Asger Blond > wrote: > > > > > Did you make some performance tests using this method? > > > IMO your method is just a kind of manually construction of what the > query > > > optimizer automatically does for you when use an IN clause. And my > guess > > is > > > that the query optimizer would do the job more efficient. > > > Asger > > > > > > -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- > > > Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto: > > > accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Arthur Fuller > > > Sendt: 13. oktober 2011 16:41 > > > Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > > > Emne: Re: [AccessD] Optimizing query when select part requires > > acalculation > > > > > > Pursuant to IN(). An often-preferred alternative is to create a > > temp-table > > > consisting of the values contained within the IN(), and then to join > this > > > to > > > the real tables. The time taken to construct the temp-table is > > negligible. > > > Once it's created, the natural joins do all the heavy lifting for you. > > > > > > Since you want to join on multiple columns, I suggest that you create a > > > calculated (virtual) column on both tables, and then do the join on > those > > > columns. It might require a little addition to your documentation, but > it > > > cleans up the mess rather nicely, IMO. > > > > > > HTH, > > > Arthur > > > -- > > > AccessD mailing list > > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > > -- > > > AccessD mailing list > > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From ab-mi at post3.tele.dk Fri Oct 14 07:08:30 2011 From: ab-mi at post3.tele.dk (Asger Blond) Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2011 14:08:30 +0200 Subject: [AccessD] Optimizing query when select part requiresacalculation In-Reply-To: References: <004b01cc8201$8fc0d7e0$af4287a0$@gmail.com><9357134BE7F641A5AAD46149B2FD8C50@abpc> Message-ID: Thank for pointing out the paper - excellent, should be mandatory reading for all SQL programmers! Asger -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af David McAfee Sendt: 14. oktober 2011 00:45 Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Emne: Re: [AccessD] Optimizing query when select part requiresacalculation :) Here's how Nulls affect NOTIN() http://www.simple-talk.com/sql/t-sql-programming/ten-common-sql-programming-mistakes/ On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 3:40 PM, Asger Blond wrote: > > Well, I wasn't writing about feelings. But when asked so frankly then: > Certainly NOT... > Asger > > -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- > Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto: > accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af David McAfee > Sendt: 14. oktober 2011 00:19 > Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Emne: Re: [AccessD] Optimizing query when select part requiresacalculation > > Did you feel that? > > Feel what? :) > > > > On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 3:02 PM, Asger Blond wrote: > > > David, > > Don't disseminate rumors... > > Maybe you just NOT have it IN. > > Couldn?t resist and no offence meant ;-) > > Asger > > > > -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- > > Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto: > > accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af David McAfee > > Sendt: 13. oktober 2011 23:41 > > Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > > Emne: Re: [AccessD] Optimizing query when select part > requiresacalculation > > > > I have read that NOTIN() Can give erroneous results, but I forget why at > > the > > moment. > > > > I'm guilty of using it too :/ > > > > > > > > On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 2:30 PM, Asger Blond > wrote: > > > > > Did you make some performance tests using this method? > > > IMO your method is just a kind of manually construction of what the > query > > > optimizer automatically does for you when use an IN clause. And my > guess > > is > > > that the query optimizer would do the job more efficient. > > > Asger > > > > > > -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- > > > Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto: > > > accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Arthur Fuller > > > Sendt: 13. oktober 2011 16:41 > > > Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > > > Emne: Re: [AccessD] Optimizing query when select part requires > > acalculation > > > > > > Pursuant to IN(). An often-preferred alternative is to create a > > temp-table > > > consisting of the values contained within the IN(), and then to join > this > > > to > > > the real tables. The time taken to construct the temp-table is > > negligible. > > > Once it's created, the natural joins do all the heavy lifting for you. > > > > > > Since you want to join on multiple columns, I suggest that you create a > > > calculated (virtual) column on both tables, and then do the join on > those > > > columns. It might require a little addition to your documentation, but > it > > > cleans up the mess rather nicely, IMO. > > > > > > HTH, > > > Arthur > > > -- > > > AccessD mailing list > > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > > -- > > > AccessD mailing list > > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Fri Oct 14 08:52:27 2011 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2011 09:52:27 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Optimizing query when select part requires acalculation In-Reply-To: <597195726B444DA89560BE2B9650AFE7@abpc> References: <004b01cc8201$8fc0d7e0$af4287a0$@gmail.com> <597195726B444DA89560BE2B9650AFE7@abpc> Message-ID: I stand corrected. Thanks for this. Arthur On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 4:59 PM, Asger Blond wrote: > Arthur, > You wrote: > >> Any IN() or NOT IN() expression forces a full table scan, > >> regardless of the indexes available... > This is simply not true. If the subquery in an IN clause have a WHERE > condition on an indexed column then this index will certainly be used in a > SEEK operation if the index is considered useful for the query optimizer. It > will be used in exactly the same way as when the statement enclosed in the > IN clause is run separately. > Asger > > From rlister at actuarial-files.com Fri Oct 14 20:07:50 2011 From: rlister at actuarial-files.com (Ralf Lister) Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2011 21:07:50 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Where Condition in DoCmd.OpenReport Message-ID: <000601cc8ad6$dea8f170$9bfad450$@com> Hello, I want to print a report whose recordsource is a query. This very query has four records. One has in the field AAA a number stored. In the remaining three records the field AAA is empty. I want to print the report only for the record whose field AAA has a number stored. Therefore I set the WhereCondition in the "DoCmd.OpenReport" command to "IsNumeric(Me!AAA)". But it didn't work as expected. What did I do wrong? TIA and Saludos Actuary Ralf Lister La Paz, Bolivia From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Fri Oct 14 20:15:06 2011 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2011 11:15:06 +1000 Subject: [AccessD] Where Condition in DoCmd.OpenReport In-Reply-To: <000601cc8ad6$dea8f170$9bfad450$@com> References: <000601cc8ad6$dea8f170$9bfad450$@com> Message-ID: <4E98DE9A.2631.A065DFB@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> IsNumeric returns True for NULLs. Try ISNULL(). -- Stuart On 14 Oct 2011 at 21:07, Ralf Lister wrote: > Hello, > > I want to print a report whose recordsource is a query. This very > query has four records. One has in the field AAA a number stored. In > the remaining three records the field AAA is empty. I want to print > the report only for the record whose field AAA has a number stored. > > Therefore I set the WhereCondition in the "DoCmd.OpenReport" command > to "IsNumeric(Me!AAA)". But it didn't work as expected. What did I do > wrong? > > TIA and Saludos > Actuary Ralf Lister > La Paz, Bolivia > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From steve at datamanagementsolutions.biz Sat Oct 15 03:09:03 2011 From: steve at datamanagementsolutions.biz (Steve Schapel) Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2011 21:09:03 +1300 Subject: [AccessD] Where Condition in DoCmd.OpenReport In-Reply-To: <000601cc8ad6$dea8f170$9bfad450$@com> References: <000601cc8ad6$dea8f170$9bfad450$@com> Message-ID: <7CA60D9B36EE4310B57B6FBB13C27291@stevelaptop> Ralf In addition to Stuart's suggestion, I think the 'Me!' is also not correct. I would try your Where Condition argument as: "[AAA] Is Not Null" Regards Steve -----Original Message----- From: Ralf Lister Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2011 2:07 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: [AccessD] Where Condition in DoCmd.OpenReport Hello, I want to print a report whose recordsource is a query. This very query has four records. One has in the field AAA a number stored. In the remaining three records the field AAA is empty. I want to print the report only for the record whose field AAA has a number stored. Therefore I set the WhereCondition in the "DoCmd.OpenReport" command to "IsNumeric(Me!AAA)". But it didn't work as expected. What did I do wrong? TIA and Saludos Actuary Ralf Lister La Paz, Bolivia From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Sat Oct 15 08:42:33 2011 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2011 09:42:33 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Death of a giant Message-ID: <4E998DC9.8000206@colbyconsulting.com> http://arstechnica.com/business/news/2011/10/dennis-ritchie-the-giant-whose-shoulders-we-stand-on.ars -- John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it From rbgajewski at roadrunner.com Sat Oct 15 10:58:56 2011 From: rbgajewski at roadrunner.com (Bob Gajewski) Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2011 11:58:56 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Record navigation - find versus new Message-ID: <2A7C913116664297953CD35264C19070@7B440585K> Hi All I am having trouble with what is probably one of the most basic functions, but I just can't figure it out and would really appreciate if someone could point me in the right direction. I have a data entry form, with one of the key fields called TransactionsEntryNumber (text, length=8, required, indexed, duplicates not allowed). I am trying to write the code so that when a user types in an entry number, the code looks to see if it exists ... if it does, go to the existing record ... if not, continue to the next field as a new record. Private Sub TransactionsEntryNumber_Exit(Cancel As Integer) If IsNull(TransactionsEntryNumber) Or TransactionsEntryNumber = "" Then Dim Msg As String, Response As Integer Msg = "Do you want to have an entry number assigned?" Response = MsgBox(Msg, vbYesNo + vbQuestion + vbDefaultButton1, "Entry Number Assignment") If Response = vbYes Then TransactionsEntryNumber = fAssignEntryNumber(TransactionsFilerCodeID.Column(1), DMax("TransactionsEntryNumber", "tblTransactions"), 1) Else Cancel = True Exit Sub End If Else DoCmd.FindRecord TransactionsEntryNumber, acEntire, True, acSearchAll, True, acCurrent, True End If End Sub The 'new' part works perfectly ... probably because I'm starting the user in a new record: Private Sub Form_Open(Cancel As Integer) DoCmd.GoToRecord , , acNewRec End Sub ... it's the 'find' that keeps failing (error: unable to save; would create duplicate) Run-time error '3022': The changes you requested to the table were not successful because they would create duplicate values in the index, primary key, or relationship. Change the data in the field or fields that contain the duplicate data, remove the index, or redefine the index to permit duplicate entries and try again. Is it as simple as trapping the error? Or should I use two controls and stack them? Thanks, as usual Bob Gajewski From accessd at shaw.ca Sat Oct 15 11:22:56 2011 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2011 09:22:56 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Death of a giant In-Reply-To: <4E998DC9.8000206@colbyconsulting.com> References: <4E998DC9.8000206@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <6530143C07944FC8B24D3D3365D4139B@creativesystemdesigns.com> The DBA has been touched with death these weeks, first Drew, our brilliant local hacker, second, Steve the visionary and finally Dennis the founder. Jim -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2011 6:43 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: [AccessD] Death of a giant http://arstechnica.com/business/news/2011/10/dennis-ritchie-the-giant-whose- shoulders-we-stand-on.ars -- John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From charlotte.foust at gmail.com Sat Oct 15 11:57:27 2011 From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust) Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2011 09:57:27 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Record navigation - find versus new In-Reply-To: <2A7C913116664297953CD35264C19070@7B440585K> References: <2A7C913116664297953CD35264C19070@7B440585K> Message-ID: What are the Data Entry and Allow Edits properties on the form set to? Charlotte Foust On Sat, Oct 15, 2011 at 8:58 AM, Bob Gajewski wrote: > Hi All > > I am having trouble with what is probably one of the most basic functions, > but I just can't figure it out and would really appreciate if someone could > point me in the right direction. > > I have a data entry form, with one of the key fields called > TransactionsEntryNumber (text, length=8, required, indexed, duplicates not > allowed). I am trying to write the code so that when a user types in an > entry number, the code looks to see if it exists ... if it does, go to the > existing record ... if not, continue to the next field as a new record. > > > Private Sub TransactionsEntryNumber_Exit(Cancel As Integer) > If IsNull(TransactionsEntryNumber) Or TransactionsEntryNumber = "" Then > Dim Msg As String, Response As Integer > Msg = "Do you want to have an entry number assigned?" > Response = MsgBox(Msg, vbYesNo + vbQuestion + vbDefaultButton1, > "Entry Number Assignment") > If Response = vbYes Then > TransactionsEntryNumber = > fAssignEntryNumber(TransactionsFilerCodeID.Column(1), > DMax("TransactionsEntryNumber", "tblTransactions"), 1) > Else > Cancel = True > Exit Sub > End If > Else > DoCmd.FindRecord TransactionsEntryNumber, acEntire, True, > acSearchAll, True, acCurrent, True > End If > End Sub > > > The 'new' part works perfectly ... probably because I'm starting the user > in > a new record: > > Private Sub Form_Open(Cancel As Integer) > DoCmd.GoToRecord , , acNewRec > End Sub > > ... it's the 'find' that keeps failing (error: unable to save; would create > duplicate) > > > Run-time error '3022': > > The changes you requested to the table were not successful because they > would > create duplicate values in the index, primary key, or relationship. > Change the data > in the field or fields that contain the duplicate data, remove the > index, or redefine > the index to permit duplicate entries and try again. > > > Is it as simple as trapping the error? Or should I use two controls and > stack them? > > Thanks, as usual > Bob Gajewski > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > From steve at datamanagementsolutions.biz Sat Oct 15 14:08:22 2011 From: steve at datamanagementsolutions.biz (Steve Schapel) Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2011 08:08:22 +1300 Subject: [AccessD] Record navigation - find versus new In-Reply-To: <2A7C913116664297953CD35264C19070@7B440585K> References: <2A7C913116664297953CD35264C19070@7B440585K> Message-ID: <152A9688951040109DC62E911448EF03@stevelaptop> Bob The FindRecord action requires that the focus is on the control for the field being referenced. Therefore you are going to need this in your code: Me.TransactionsEntryNumber.SetFocus However, without trying it, I'm not sure exactly how this is going to go, given that your code relates to the Exit event of that very control. I don't think it will work to set focus to a control on its own Exit event. If it was mine, I would use an unbound textbox for the user to initially enter the number in, and use the After Update event of that control to run your code. If the number doesn't already exist, have your code write it to the TransactionsEntryNumber field. If it does, use SetFocus as mentioned above, prior to your FindRecord. (In both cases, have the code clear the unbound textbox: Me.MyTextbox = Null - to avoid confusion. In this type of scenario I normally have a different background colour for an unbound textbox or combobox, to make it clearer that it is for a special purpose.) Regards Steve -----Original Message----- From: Bob Gajewski Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2011 4:58 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: [AccessD] Record navigation - find versus new Hi All I am having trouble with what is probably one of the most basic functions, but I just can't figure it out and would really appreciate if someone could point me in the right direction. I have a data entry form, with one of the key fields called TransactionsEntryNumber (text, length=8, required, indexed, duplicates not allowed). I am trying to write the code so that when a user types in an entry number, the code looks to see if it exists ... if it does, go to the existing record ... if not, continue to the next field as a new record. Private Sub TransactionsEntryNumber_Exit(Cancel As Integer) If IsNull(TransactionsEntryNumber) Or TransactionsEntryNumber = "" Then Dim Msg As String, Response As Integer Msg = "Do you want to have an entry number assigned?" Response = MsgBox(Msg, vbYesNo + vbQuestion + vbDefaultButton1, "Entry Number Assignment") If Response = vbYes Then TransactionsEntryNumber = fAssignEntryNumber(TransactionsFilerCodeID.Column(1), DMax("TransactionsEntryNumber", "tblTransactions"), 1) Else Cancel = True Exit Sub End If Else DoCmd.FindRecord TransactionsEntryNumber, acEntire, True, acSearchAll, True, acCurrent, True End If End Sub The 'new' part works perfectly ... probably because I'm starting the user in a new record: Private Sub Form_Open(Cancel As Integer) DoCmd.GoToRecord , , acNewRec End Sub ... it's the 'find' that keeps failing (error: unable to save; would create duplicate) Run-time error '3022': The changes you requested to the table were not successful because they would create duplicate values in the index, primary key, or relationship. Change the data in the field or fields that contain the duplicate data, remove the index, or redefine the index to permit duplicate entries and try again. Is it as simple as trapping the error? Or should I use two controls and stack them? Thanks, as usual Bob Gajewski From rbgajewski at roadrunner.com Sat Oct 15 15:43:10 2011 From: rbgajewski at roadrunner.com (Bob Gajewski) Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2011 16:43:10 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Record navigation - find versus new In-Reply-To: References: <2A7C913116664297953CD35264C19070@7B440585K> Message-ID: <025C543E420E422394F127540570AD84@7B440585K> DataEntry = No AllowEdits = Yes -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2011 12:57 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Record navigation - find versus new What are the Data Entry and Allow Edits properties on the form set to? Charlotte Foust On Sat, Oct 15, 2011 at 8:58 AM, Bob Gajewski wrote: > Hi All > > I am having trouble with what is probably one of the most basic > functions, but I just can't figure it out and would really appreciate > if someone could point me in the right direction. > > I have a data entry form, with one of the key fields called > TransactionsEntryNumber (text, length=8, required, indexed, duplicates > not allowed). I am trying to write the code so that when a user types > in an entry number, the code looks to see if it exists ... if it does, > go to the existing record ... if not, continue to the next field as a new record. > > > Private Sub TransactionsEntryNumber_Exit(Cancel As Integer) > If IsNull(TransactionsEntryNumber) Or TransactionsEntryNumber = "" Then > Dim Msg As String, Response As Integer > Msg = "Do you want to have an entry number assigned?" > Response = MsgBox(Msg, vbYesNo + vbQuestion + vbDefaultButton1, > "Entry Number Assignment") > If Response = vbYes Then > TransactionsEntryNumber = > fAssignEntryNumber(TransactionsFilerCodeID.Column(1), > DMax("TransactionsEntryNumber", "tblTransactions"), 1) > Else > Cancel = True > Exit Sub > End If > Else > DoCmd.FindRecord TransactionsEntryNumber, acEntire, True, > acSearchAll, True, acCurrent, True > End If > End Sub > > > The 'new' part works perfectly ... probably because I'm starting the > user in a new record: > > Private Sub Form_Open(Cancel As Integer) > DoCmd.GoToRecord , , acNewRec > End Sub > > ... it's the 'find' that keeps failing (error: unable to save; would > create > duplicate) > > > Run-time error '3022': > > The changes you requested to the table were not successful because > they would > create duplicate values in the index, primary key, or relationship. > Change the data > in the field or fields that contain the duplicate data, remove the > index, or redefine > the index to permit duplicate entries and try again. > > > Is it as simple as trapping the error? Or should I use two controls > and stack them? > > Thanks, as usual > Bob Gajewski > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From charlotte.foust at gmail.com Sat Oct 15 17:51:20 2011 From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust) Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2011 15:51:20 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Record navigation - find versus new In-Reply-To: <025C543E420E422394F127540570AD84@7B440585K> References: <2A7C913116664297953CD35264C19070@7B440585K> <025C543E420E422394F127540570AD84@7B440585K> Message-ID: So after the find, the values in the found record are displayed in the form? If not, it t sounds like you might have AllowAdditions set to Yes, in which case, you are trying to create a duplicate record even if you don't intend to. DataEntry is only in effect if AllowAdditions is turned on IIRRC. Charlotte Foust On Sat, Oct 15, 2011 at 1:43 PM, Bob Gajewski wrote: > DataEntry = No > AllowEdits = Yes > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust > Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2011 12:57 PM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Record navigation - find versus new > > What are the Data Entry and Allow Edits properties on the form set to? > > Charlotte Foust > On Sat, Oct 15, 2011 at 8:58 AM, Bob Gajewski > wrote: > > > Hi All > > > > I am having trouble with what is probably one of the most basic > > functions, but I just can't figure it out and would really appreciate > > if someone could point me in the right direction. > > > > I have a data entry form, with one of the key fields called > > TransactionsEntryNumber (text, length=8, required, indexed, duplicates > > not allowed). I am trying to write the code so that when a user types > > in an entry number, the code looks to see if it exists ... if it does, > > go to the existing record ... if not, continue to the next field as a new > record. > > > > > > Private Sub TransactionsEntryNumber_Exit(Cancel As Integer) > > If IsNull(TransactionsEntryNumber) Or TransactionsEntryNumber = "" > Then > > Dim Msg As String, Response As Integer > > Msg = "Do you want to have an entry number assigned?" > > Response = MsgBox(Msg, vbYesNo + vbQuestion + vbDefaultButton1, > > "Entry Number Assignment") > > If Response = vbYes Then > > TransactionsEntryNumber = > > fAssignEntryNumber(TransactionsFilerCodeID.Column(1), > > DMax("TransactionsEntryNumber", "tblTransactions"), 1) > > Else > > Cancel = True > > Exit Sub > > End If > > Else > > DoCmd.FindRecord TransactionsEntryNumber, acEntire, True, > > acSearchAll, True, acCurrent, True > > End If > > End Sub > > > > > > The 'new' part works perfectly ... probably because I'm starting the > > user in a new record: > > > > Private Sub Form_Open(Cancel As Integer) > > DoCmd.GoToRecord , , acNewRec > > End Sub > > > > ... it's the 'find' that keeps failing (error: unable to save; would > > create > > duplicate) > > > > > > Run-time error '3022': > > > > The changes you requested to the table were not successful because > > they would > > create duplicate values in the index, primary key, or relationship. > > Change the data > > in the field or fields that contain the duplicate data, remove the > > index, or redefine > > the index to permit duplicate entries and try again. > > > > > > Is it as simple as trapping the error? Or should I use two controls > > and stack them? > > > > Thanks, as usual > > Bob Gajewski > > > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > > > > > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > From marksimms at verizon.net Sat Oct 15 18:50:43 2011 From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms) Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2011 19:50:43 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Death of a giant In-Reply-To: <4E998DC9.8000206@colbyconsulting.com> References: <4E998DC9.8000206@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <001501cc8b95$40b9d410$c22d7c30$@net> Jobs was a huge proponent for Objective C...and he hated JAVA. From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Sat Oct 15 22:52:01 2011 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2011 23:52:01 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] For those in need Message-ID: <4E9A54E1.5020609@colbyconsulting.com> Who think my server is puny... http://www.nccs.gov/computing-resources/jaguar/access/ You too can do super computing. -- John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it From BradM at blackforestltd.com Sun Oct 16 16:13:38 2011 From: BradM at blackforestltd.com (Brad Marks) Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2011 16:13:38 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Data on Report does not match data in the Report's Record Source References: <4E9A54E1.5020609@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: All, I believe that this is the strangest thing I have ever seen in Access 2007. We have a purchased package which uses a Firebird Database. All of the tables are defined by the application vendor. We are able to access the Firebird tables from Access 2007 via ODBC. This combination has worked nicely in numerous tests that we have conducted over the past 2-3 months. A few days ago, I happened to notice that the data on one report does not match the data in the Report's Record Source (a query). I have conducted many tests on two different PCs and the results are consistent. The data on the report is correct, but the data in the underlying Record Source is not correct. If I look at the Access "Linked Table" (Which is stored in the Firebird Database), the data is not correct (but I can make it appear correct by doing a Refresh in Access). If I view the data with the Firebird Utility called "isql", the data is correct. I have spent many hours trying different things and running various tests (and pulling my hair out). In summary... Data on Report = Correct Data from Firebird "isql" utility = Correct Data in Report's Record Source (query) = Not Correct Data shown by viewing "Linked Table" = Not correct (although I can make it appear correct by doing a "Refresh" in Access) Data as viewed via the purchased application = Correct We have conducted many tests with the Firebird Database - Access 2007 combination over the past few months, so we have some experience, but not a huge amount. My latest theory is that the problem lies in the ODBC driver. This would explain why the data appears correct with isql but appears incorrect when initially viewed as an Access 2007 Linked Table. However, this still doesn't explain why the data on the report is correct when the data in the report's record source is incorrect. Has anyone ever heard of anything like this before? Has anyone worked with Access in combination with data from Firebird database tables? Thanks for your help, Brad From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Sun Oct 16 17:41:20 2011 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2011 08:41:20 +1000 Subject: [AccessD] Data on Report does not match data in the Report's Record Source In-Reply-To: References: <4E9A54E1.5020609@colbyconsulting.com>, Message-ID: <4E9B5D90.18431.13C654DB@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> If the structure of the Firebird table has changed, you should relink the tables. On 16 Oct 2011 at 16:13, Brad Marks wrote: > All, > > I believe that this is the strangest thing I have ever seen in Access > 2007. > > We have a purchased package which uses a Firebird Database. All of the > tables are defined by the application vendor. We are able to access > the Firebird tables from Access 2007 via ODBC. This combination has > worked nicely in numerous tests that we have conducted over the past > 2-3 months. > > A few days ago, I happened to notice that the data on one report does > not match the data in the Report's Record Source (a query). I have > conducted many tests on two different PCs and the results are > consistent. The data on the report is correct, but the data in the > underlying Record Source is not correct. If I look at the Access > "Linked Table" (Which is stored in the Firebird Database), the data is > not correct (but I can make it appear correct by doing a Refresh in > Access). > > If I view the data with the Firebird Utility called "isql", the data > is correct. > > I have spent many hours trying different things and running various > tests (and pulling my hair out). > > > In summary... > > Data on Report = Correct > > Data from Firebird "isql" utility = Correct > > Data in Report's Record Source (query) = Not Correct > > Data shown by viewing "Linked Table" = Not correct (although I can > make it appear correct by doing a "Refresh" in Access) > > Data as viewed via the purchased application = Correct > > We have conducted many tests with the Firebird Database - Access 2007 > combination over the past few months, so we have some experience, but > not a huge amount. > > My latest theory is that the problem lies in the ODBC driver. > > This would explain why the data appears correct with isql but appears > incorrect when initially viewed as an Access 2007 Linked Table. > > However, this still doesn't explain why the data on the report is > correct when the data in the report's record source is incorrect. > > Has anyone ever heard of anything like this before? > > Has anyone worked with Access in combination with data from Firebird > database tables? > > Thanks for your help, > > Brad > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From marksimms at verizon.net Sun Oct 16 19:27:21 2011 From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms) Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2011 20:27:21 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Data on Report does not match data in the Report's Record Source In-Reply-To: <4E9B5D90.18431.13C654DB@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: <4E9A54E1.5020609@colbyconsulting.com>, <4E9B5D90.18431.13C654DB@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <001e01cc8c63$8938be30$9baa3a90$@net> > If the structure of the Firebird table has changed, you should relink > the tables. If that doesn't solve the problem, then this is a BIG TIME bug that has snuck thru 2007-SP2. If that's true, I'll bet it has persisted in 2010. From jimdettman at verizon.net Sun Oct 16 19:59:36 2011 From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman) Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2011 20:59:36 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Data on Report does not match data in the Report's RecordSource In-Reply-To: References: <4E9A54E1.5020609@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: Watch out with reports; 2007 introduced Report View, which will show you odd data at times. Lots of strange things can happen there as most of the report events don't fire. If your depending on any code to support the report, you may see different things. Sounds like your problem is more then that though. I'd also look at database corruption; create a new DB and import everything into it, then see if you get the same results. If you do, that would be wild; I've never heard of anything even remotely close to this. I would also seriously doubt it could be wide spread as 2007 has now been out for over four years. It would be good if you could go into a little more detail on what it is your seeing. Ie. more records? Different field values for the same records? Keep us updated.... Jim. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brad Marks Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2011 05:14 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: [AccessD] Data on Report does not match data in the Report's RecordSource All, I believe that this is the strangest thing I have ever seen in Access 2007. We have a purchased package which uses a Firebird Database. All of the tables are defined by the application vendor. We are able to access the Firebird tables from Access 2007 via ODBC. This combination has worked nicely in numerous tests that we have conducted over the past 2-3 months. A few days ago, I happened to notice that the data on one report does not match the data in the Report's Record Source (a query). I have conducted many tests on two different PCs and the results are consistent. The data on the report is correct, but the data in the underlying Record Source is not correct. If I look at the Access "Linked Table" (Which is stored in the Firebird Database), the data is not correct (but I can make it appear correct by doing a Refresh in Access). If I view the data with the Firebird Utility called "isql", the data is correct. I have spent many hours trying different things and running various tests (and pulling my hair out). In summary... Data on Report = Correct Data from Firebird "isql" utility = Correct Data in Report's Record Source (query) = Not Correct Data shown by viewing "Linked Table" = Not correct (although I can make it appear correct by doing a "Refresh" in Access) Data as viewed via the purchased application = Correct We have conducted many tests with the Firebird Database - Access 2007 combination over the past few months, so we have some experience, but not a huge amount. My latest theory is that the problem lies in the ODBC driver. This would explain why the data appears correct with isql but appears incorrect when initially viewed as an Access 2007 Linked Table. However, this still doesn't explain why the data on the report is correct when the data in the report's record source is incorrect. Has anyone ever heard of anything like this before? Has anyone worked with Access in combination with data from Firebird database tables? Thanks for your help, Brad -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From BradM at blackforestltd.com Sun Oct 16 20:09:54 2011 From: BradM at blackforestltd.com (Brad Marks) Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2011 20:09:54 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Data on Report does not match data in the Report'sRecord Source References: <4E9A54E1.5020609@colbyconsulting.com>, <4E9B5D90.18431.13C654DB@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: Stuart, Thanks for the help. No, the structure of the Firebird tables has not changed. Brad -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2011 5:41 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Data on Report does not match data in the Report'sRecord Source If the structure of the Firebird table has changed, you should relink the tables. On 16 Oct 2011 at 16:13, Brad Marks wrote: > All, > > I believe that this is the strangest thing I have ever seen in Access > 2007. > > We have a purchased package which uses a Firebird Database. All of the > tables are defined by the application vendor. We are able to access > the Firebird tables from Access 2007 via ODBC. This combination has > worked nicely in numerous tests that we have conducted over the past > 2-3 months. > > A few days ago, I happened to notice that the data on one report does > not match the data in the Report's Record Source (a query). I have > conducted many tests on two different PCs and the results are > consistent. The data on the report is correct, but the data in the > underlying Record Source is not correct. If I look at the Access > "Linked Table" (Which is stored in the Firebird Database), the data is > not correct (but I can make it appear correct by doing a Refresh in > Access). > > If I view the data with the Firebird Utility called "isql", the data > is correct. > > I have spent many hours trying different things and running various > tests (and pulling my hair out). > > > In summary... > > Data on Report = Correct > > Data from Firebird "isql" utility = Correct > > Data in Report's Record Source (query) = Not Correct > > Data shown by viewing "Linked Table" = Not correct (although I can > make it appear correct by doing a "Refresh" in Access) > > Data as viewed via the purchased application = Correct > > We have conducted many tests with the Firebird Database - Access 2007 > combination over the past few months, so we have some experience, but > not a huge amount. > > My latest theory is that the problem lies in the ODBC driver. > > This would explain why the data appears correct with isql but appears > incorrect when initially viewed as an Access 2007 Linked Table. > > However, this still doesn't explain why the data on the report is > correct when the data in the report's record source is incorrect. > > Has anyone ever heard of anything like this before? > > Has anyone worked with Access in combination with data from Firebird > database tables? > > Thanks for your help, > > Brad > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. From BradM at blackforestltd.com Sun Oct 16 20:21:56 2011 From: BradM at blackforestltd.com (Brad Marks) Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2011 20:21:56 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Data on Report does not match data in the Report's RecordSource References: <4E9A54E1.5020609@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: > It would be good if you could go into a little more detail on what it is > your seeing. Ie. more records? Different field values for the same >records? Jim, Thanks for the help. Here is what I am seeing... I use the purchased application to add two records to one table. When I view the two records with an Access 2007 query, both records appear to be identical (this is NOT correct). When I view the two records with an Access 2007 report, the two records are correct (the data shown on the report is exactly what I entered into the application system). When I view the data in the two records via Firebird's isql utility, the data is correct. What I really can't understand is how the report can show the right data, but the record source for this very report shows incorrect data. Brad -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2011 8:00 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Data on Report does not match data in the Report's RecordSource Watch out with reports; 2007 introduced Report View, which will show you odd data at times. Lots of strange things can happen there as most of the report events don't fire. If your depending on any code to support the report, you may see different things. Sounds like your problem is more then that though. I'd also look at database corruption; create a new DB and import everything into it, then see if you get the same results. If you do, that would be wild; I've never heard of anything even remotely close to this. I would also seriously doubt it could be wide spread as 2007 has now been out for over four years. It would be good if you could go into a little more detail on what it is your seeing. Ie. more records? Different field values for the same records? Keep us updated.... Jim. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brad Marks Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2011 05:14 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: [AccessD] Data on Report does not match data in the Report's RecordSource All, I believe that this is the strangest thing I have ever seen in Access 2007. We have a purchased package which uses a Firebird Database. All of the tables are defined by the application vendor. We are able to access the Firebird tables from Access 2007 via ODBC. This combination has worked nicely in numerous tests that we have conducted over the past 2-3 months. A few days ago, I happened to notice that the data on one report does not match the data in the Report's Record Source (a query). I have conducted many tests on two different PCs and the results are consistent. The data on the report is correct, but the data in the underlying Record Source is not correct. If I look at the Access "Linked Table" (Which is stored in the Firebird Database), the data is not correct (but I can make it appear correct by doing a Refresh in Access). If I view the data with the Firebird Utility called "isql", the data is correct. I have spent many hours trying different things and running various tests (and pulling my hair out). In summary... Data on Report = Correct Data from Firebird "isql" utility = Correct Data in Report's Record Source (query) = Not Correct Data shown by viewing "Linked Table" = Not correct (although I can make it appear correct by doing a "Refresh" in Access) Data as viewed via the purchased application = Correct We have conducted many tests with the Firebird Database - Access 2007 combination over the past few months, so we have some experience, but not a huge amount. My latest theory is that the problem lies in the ODBC driver. This would explain why the data appears correct with isql but appears incorrect when initially viewed as an Access 2007 Linked Table. However, this still doesn't explain why the data on the report is correct when the data in the report's record source is incorrect. Has anyone ever heard of anything like this before? Has anyone worked with Access in combination with data from Firebird database tables? Thanks for your help, Brad -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. From BradM at blackforestltd.com Sun Oct 16 21:12:17 2011 From: BradM at blackforestltd.com (Brad Marks) Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2011 21:12:17 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Data on Report does not match data in the Report's RecordSource - Problem Resolved! References: <4E9A54E1.5020609@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: Oh Boy... Do I ever feel STUPID! Because of the suggestion, to Relink the Firebird table in question, I decided to do so. In the process of doing the Relink, Access displayed a message "To ensure data integrity and to update records, you must choose a field or fields that uniquely identify each record". As I understand it, the field(s) selected results in establishing the Primary Key on the Access side for the linked table. When doing the Relink, it dawned on me that I had earlier selected the wrong field to uniquely identify each record. I believe that this mistake resulted in the strange results that I was seeing. This mistake was mine. For a time, I thought that I had stumbled on some sort of bug, or angered the "ODBC gods" :-) Thanks again for the help. Once again, the advice given by others here in the AccessD forum has helped to resolve a problem (and keep me from pulling out even more of my hair). I really appreciate the help and advice that is provided on this forum. Sincerely, Brad -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brad Marks Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2011 8:22 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Data on Report does not match data in the Report'sRecordSource > It would be good if you could go into a little more detail on what it is > your seeing. Ie. more records? Different field values for the same >records? Jim, Thanks for the help. Here is what I am seeing... I use the purchased application to add two records to one table. When I view the two records with an Access 2007 query, both records appear to be identical (this is NOT correct). When I view the two records with an Access 2007 report, the two records are correct (the data shown on the report is exactly what I entered into the application system). When I view the data in the two records via Firebird's isql utility, the data is correct. What I really can't understand is how the report can show the right data, but the record source for this very report shows incorrect data. Brad -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2011 8:00 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Data on Report does not match data in the Report's RecordSource Watch out with reports; 2007 introduced Report View, which will show you odd data at times. Lots of strange things can happen there as most of the report events don't fire. If your depending on any code to support the report, you may see different things. Sounds like your problem is more then that though. I'd also look at database corruption; create a new DB and import everything into it, then see if you get the same results. If you do, that would be wild; I've never heard of anything even remotely close to this. I would also seriously doubt it could be wide spread as 2007 has now been out for over four years. It would be good if you could go into a little more detail on what it is your seeing. Ie. more records? Different field values for the same records? Keep us updated.... Jim. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brad Marks Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2011 05:14 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: [AccessD] Data on Report does not match data in the Report's RecordSource All, I believe that this is the strangest thing I have ever seen in Access 2007. We have a purchased package which uses a Firebird Database. All of the tables are defined by the application vendor. We are able to access the Firebird tables from Access 2007 via ODBC. This combination has worked nicely in numerous tests that we have conducted over the past 2-3 months. A few days ago, I happened to notice that the data on one report does not match the data in the Report's Record Source (a query). I have conducted many tests on two different PCs and the results are consistent. The data on the report is correct, but the data in the underlying Record Source is not correct. If I look at the Access "Linked Table" (Which is stored in the Firebird Database), the data is not correct (but I can make it appear correct by doing a Refresh in Access). If I view the data with the Firebird Utility called "isql", the data is correct. I have spent many hours trying different things and running various tests (and pulling my hair out). In summary... Data on Report = Correct Data from Firebird "isql" utility = Correct Data in Report's Record Source (query) = Not Correct Data shown by viewing "Linked Table" = Not correct (although I can make it appear correct by doing a "Refresh" in Access) Data as viewed via the purchased application = Correct We have conducted many tests with the Firebird Database - Access 2007 combination over the past few months, so we have some experience, but not a huge amount. My latest theory is that the problem lies in the ODBC driver. This would explain why the data appears correct with isql but appears incorrect when initially viewed as an Access 2007 Linked Table. However, this still doesn't explain why the data on the report is correct when the data in the report's record source is incorrect. Has anyone ever heard of anything like this before? Has anyone worked with Access in combination with data from Firebird database tables? Thanks for your help, Brad -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. From garykjos at gmail.com Sun Oct 16 22:34:35 2011 From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos) Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2011 22:34:35 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Data on Report does not match data in the Report's RecordSource - Problem Resolved! In-Reply-To: References: <4E9A54E1.5020609@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: Whew! I've had that same issue with Oracle ODBC data when I didn't specify the key's correctly when the link process didn't see them automatically. Glad you solved the mystery Brad. And thanks for letting us know. GK On Sun, Oct 16, 2011 at 9:12 PM, Brad Marks wrote: > Oh Boy... Do I ever feel STUPID! > > Because of the suggestion, to Relink the Firebird table in question, I > decided to do so. > > In the process of doing the Relink, Access displayed a message "To > ensure data integrity and to update records, you must choose a field or > fields that uniquely identify each record". > > As I understand it, the field(s) selected results in establishing the > Primary Key on the Access side for the linked table. > > When doing the Relink, it dawned on me that I had earlier selected the > wrong field to uniquely identify each record. ? I believe that this > mistake resulted in the strange results that I was seeing. > > This mistake was mine. ?For a time, I thought that I had stumbled on > some sort of bug, or angered the "ODBC gods" ? :-) > > > Thanks again for the help. ?Once again, the advice given by others here > in the AccessD forum has helped to resolve a problem (and keep me from > pulling out even more of my hair). > > I really appreciate the help and advice that is provided on this forum. > > Sincerely, > > Brad > -- Gary Kjos garykjos at gmail.com From vbacreations at gmail.com Mon Oct 17 02:42:29 2011 From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson (VBACreations.Com)) Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2011 03:42:29 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Data on Report does not match data in the Report's RecordSource - Problem Resolved! In-Reply-To: References: <4E9A54E1.5020609@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <002801cc8ca0$5336ad50$f9a407f0$@gmail.com> I have jumped in here and not read the entire thread (shame shame yeah well...) but this one line reminded me of some history I have with Oracle tables thru odbc and I got to wondering, what is a person to do when they have no idea whatsoever what (if any) up-to-10-fields represent a unique index on an oracle table or even *IF* there is a 10-field index which will represent a unique record? Is it better to leave the prompt unanswered rather than selecting 10 "I-think-these-will-do" fields? -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brad Marks Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2011 10:12 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Data on Report does not match data in the Report's RecordSource - Problem Resolved! Oh Boy... Do I ever feel STUPID! Because of the suggestion, to Relink the Firebird table in question, I decided to do so. In the process of doing the Relink, Access displayed a message "To ensure data integrity and to update records, you must choose a field or fields that uniquely identify each record". As I understand it, the field(s) selected results in establishing the Primary Key on the Access side for the linked table. When doing the Relink, it dawned on me that I had earlier selected the wrong field to uniquely identify each record. I believe that this mistake resulted in the strange results that I was seeing. This mistake was mine. For a time, I thought that I had stumbled on some sort of bug, or angered the "ODBC gods" :-) Thanks again for the help. Once again, the advice given by others here in the AccessD forum has helped to resolve a problem (and keep me from pulling out even more of my hair). I really appreciate the help and advice that is provided on this forum. Sincerely, Brad -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brad Marks Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2011 8:22 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Data on Report does not match data in the Report'sRecordSource > It would be good if you could go into a little more detail on what it is > your seeing. Ie. more records? Different field values for the same >records? Jim, Thanks for the help. Here is what I am seeing... I use the purchased application to add two records to one table. When I view the two records with an Access 2007 query, both records appear to be identical (this is NOT correct). When I view the two records with an Access 2007 report, the two records are correct (the data shown on the report is exactly what I entered into the application system). When I view the data in the two records via Firebird's isql utility, the data is correct. What I really can't understand is how the report can show the right data, but the record source for this very report shows incorrect data. Brad -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2011 8:00 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Data on Report does not match data in the Report's RecordSource Watch out with reports; 2007 introduced Report View, which will show you odd data at times. Lots of strange things can happen there as most of the report events don't fire. If your depending on any code to support the report, you may see different things. Sounds like your problem is more then that though. I'd also look at database corruption; create a new DB and import everything into it, then see if you get the same results. If you do, that would be wild; I've never heard of anything even remotely close to this. I would also seriously doubt it could be wide spread as 2007 has now been out for over four years. It would be good if you could go into a little more detail on what it is your seeing. Ie. more records? Different field values for the same records? Keep us updated.... Jim. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brad Marks Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2011 05:14 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: [AccessD] Data on Report does not match data in the Report's RecordSource All, I believe that this is the strangest thing I have ever seen in Access 2007. We have a purchased package which uses a Firebird Database. All of the tables are defined by the application vendor. We are able to access the Firebird tables from Access 2007 via ODBC. This combination has worked nicely in numerous tests that we have conducted over the past 2-3 months. A few days ago, I happened to notice that the data on one report does not match the data in the Report's Record Source (a query). I have conducted many tests on two different PCs and the results are consistent. The data on the report is correct, but the data in the underlying Record Source is not correct. If I look at the Access "Linked Table" (Which is stored in the Firebird Database), the data is not correct (but I can make it appear correct by doing a Refresh in Access). If I view the data with the Firebird Utility called "isql", the data is correct. I have spent many hours trying different things and running various tests (and pulling my hair out). In summary... Data on Report = Correct Data from Firebird "isql" utility = Correct Data in Report's Record Source (query) = Not Correct Data shown by viewing "Linked Table" = Not correct (although I can make it appear correct by doing a "Refresh" in Access) Data as viewed via the purchased application = Correct We have conducted many tests with the Firebird Database - Access 2007 combination over the past few months, so we have some experience, but not a huge amount. My latest theory is that the problem lies in the ODBC driver. This would explain why the data appears correct with isql but appears incorrect when initially viewed as an Access 2007 Linked Table. However, this still doesn't explain why the data on the report is correct when the data in the report's record source is incorrect. Has anyone ever heard of anything like this before? Has anyone worked with Access in combination with data from Firebird database tables? Thanks for your help, Brad -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Tue Oct 18 12:45:46 2011 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2011 13:45:46 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Known Bugs List in A2K7/10 Message-ID: Does anyone know of a known bug list for these two products? I am running into some very strange issues, and if they are known bugs then I can stop fighting them and just acknowledge that it's time to move on to a more solid platform. Weird screen behaviour, saved changes turn out not to be saved, etc. Very frustrating. Maybe it's time for a c# course. A. From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Tue Oct 18 13:16:31 2011 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2011 14:16:31 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Known Bugs List in A2K7/10 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4E9DC27F.20208@colbyconsulting.com> >Maybe it's time for a c# course. Uhhh yep. Regardless of the answer to your question. ;) John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it On 10/18/2011 1:45 PM, Arthur Fuller wrote: > Does anyone know of a known bug list for these two products? I am running > into some very strange issues, and if they are known bugs then I can stop > fighting them and just acknowledge that it's time to move on to a more solid > platform. Weird screen behaviour, saved changes turn out not to be saved, > etc. Very frustrating. Maybe it's time for a c# course. > > A. From charlotte.foust at gmail.com Tue Oct 18 13:25:43 2011 From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust) Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2011 11:25:43 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Known Bugs List in A2K7/10 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I can state without question that I hate Access 2010 even more than 2007. Particularly the report generator! Charlotte Foust On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 10:45 AM, Arthur Fuller wrote: > Does anyone know of a known bug list for these two products? I am running > into some very strange issues, and if they are known bugs then I can stop > fighting them and just acknowledge that it's time to move on to a more > solid > platform. Weird screen behaviour, saved changes turn out not to be saved, > etc. Very frustrating. Maybe it's time for a c# course. > > A. > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > From davidmcafee at gmail.com Tue Oct 18 13:28:24 2011 From: davidmcafee at gmail.com (David McAfee) Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2011 11:28:24 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Known Bugs List in A2K7/10 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Allen Browne site has a list (Sorry I don't have the link at the moment) I think A2010 SP1 (or was it Win7 Sp1, or both) had some weird issues. I have had some things that have been working for years suddenly break. I have also had some weird things happen that I haven't pin pointed yet, such as: A form launching a report in preview mode Pressing Print, prints the form behind the report, not the report itself. I thought the user was doing something wrong, but it has happened again to another user. I though the from / report were corrupt, so I wiped the FE from their computer and reinstalled it. Same issue. Reboot the box. Same issue. Came back to my desk to check a few things and go back and it was working again. weird. I've had other issues where I had to put CDATE() around a date field when comparing something such as: If Me.txtIncentiveStartDate = CDate(Me.lstHist.Column(3)) Then I had to change it to : If CDate(Me.txtIncentiveStartDate) = CDate(Me.lstHist.Column(3)) Then I've also had another issue where I had to change code that has worked for several years: If (SysCmd(acSysCmdAccessVer) = 14) Then Me.RecordSource = "EXEC dbo.stpItemDetHist " & Me.InputParameters Else Me.RecordSourceQualifier = "dbo" Me.RecordSource = "stpItemDetHist" End If On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 10:45 AM, Arthur Fuller wrote: > Does anyone know of a known bug list for these two products? I am running > into some very strange issues, and if they are known bugs then I can stop > fighting them and just acknowledge that it's time to move on to a more > solid > platform. Weird screen behaviour, saved changes turn out not to be saved, > etc. Very frustrating. Maybe it's time for a c# course. > > A. > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From BradM at blackforestltd.com Tue Oct 18 13:39:59 2011 From: BradM at blackforestltd.com (Brad Marks) Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2011 13:39:59 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Known Bugs List in A2K7/10 References: Message-ID: Charlotte, We are VERY dependent on Access 2007 Reports. There has been some talk about migrating to Access 2010. I am curious to learn what you are seeing in the area of report problems. Is the Access 2010 Report generator much different than the Access 2007 Report generator? Thanks, Brad ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2011 1:26 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Known Bugs List in A2K7/10 I can state without question that I hate Access 2010 even more than 2007. Particularly the report generator! Charlotte Foust On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 10:45 AM, Arthur Fuller wrote: > Does anyone know of a known bug list for these two products? I am running > into some very strange issues, and if they are known bugs then I can stop > fighting them and just acknowledge that it's time to move on to a more > solid > platform. Weird screen behaviour, saved changes turn out not to be saved, > etc. Very frustrating. Maybe it's time for a c# course. > > A. > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. From marksimms at verizon.net Tue Oct 18 14:05:41 2011 From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms) Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2011 15:05:41 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Known Bugs List in A2K7/10 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <002f01cc8dc8$eecfe780$cc6fb680$@net> Gang -the 2010 issue list is huge. Things like the CDate comparison are due to the changes made to VBA and the interpreter. Once they messed around with that, it opened up a whole can of worms. Indeed 2010 is like "Pandora's Box" for developers. Get this: User does an Undo on a bare form's record. They can easily add a new record right after that. But I cannot do the above in VBA !!! Took me 6 hours to determine how to work around it....and a Requery was necessary after each and every Undo so that a new record could be added. Tested and worked fine in 2007. Brad Marks or some other MSFT employee is tracking these issues on the social.msdn website. BUT, I seriously doubt you would get a chance to peak at the list. (you might faint !) From dbdoug at gmail.com Tue Oct 18 14:25:16 2011 From: dbdoug at gmail.com (Doug Steele) Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2011 12:25:16 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Known Bugs List in A2K7/10 In-Reply-To: <002f01cc8dc8$eecfe780$cc6fb680$@net> References: <002f01cc8dc8$eecfe780$cc6fb680$@net> Message-ID: Funnily enough, I've had virtually no problems running A2003 databases in A2010. Unlike A2007, which was a nightmare, especially for the first year or so. Doug On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 12:05 PM, Mark Simms wrote: > Gang -the 2010 issue list is huge. Things like the CDate comparison are due > to the changes made to VBA and the interpreter. > Once they messed around with that, it opened up a whole can of worms. > Indeed 2010 is like "Pandora's Box" for developers. > > Get this: User does an Undo on a bare form's record. They can easily add a > new record right after that. > But I cannot do the above in VBA !!! Took me 6 hours to determine how to > work around it....and a Requery was necessary after each and every Undo so > that a new record could be added. Tested and worked fine in 2007. > > Brad Marks or some other MSFT employee is tracking these issues on the > social.msdn website. > BUT, I seriously doubt you would get a chance to peak at the list. > (you might faint !) > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From marksimms at verizon.net Tue Oct 18 14:50:14 2011 From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms) Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2011 15:50:14 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Known Bugs List in A2K7/10 In-Reply-To: References: <002f01cc8dc8$eecfe780$cc6fb680$@net> Message-ID: <007401cc8dcf$27f84330$77e8c990$@net> Yeah, Doug, but you're probably not using any ACCDB 2007/2010 features like splitforms, etc. > Funnily enough, I've had virtually no problems running A2003 databases > in > A2010. Unlike A2007, which was a nightmare, especially for the first > year > or so. > > Doug > From charlotte.foust at gmail.com Tue Oct 18 15:05:53 2011 From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust) Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2011 13:05:53 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Known Bugs List in A2K7/10 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I didn't work much with 2007, but I've been using a 2010 accdb based on the contacts template to handle an invitation list for a friend. I wanted to print the Company name if it was Xyz Company and otherwise to print the email address on a report listing the contacts. In VB.Net, that would have been a no brainer. In Access, I could not find any way to change the visibility of a control on the subreport in the events of the subreport (parent report unbound), so I finally was forced to use the CanGrow/CanShrink properties to print both fields when they existed! I probably could have worked around it if I had wanted to struggle for hours with it, but I didn't. I could have gone unbound if I could have found the appropriate event to use to populate a label or some such, or I could have juggled subreports I guess. It was just so darn limiting, that I didn't bother. Charlotte Foust On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 11:39 AM, Brad Marks wrote: > Charlotte, > > We are VERY dependent on Access 2007 Reports. There has been some talk > about migrating to Access 2010. I am curious to learn what you are > seeing in the area of report problems. > > Is the Access 2010 Report generator much different than the Access 2007 > Report generator? > > Thanks, > Brad > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte > Foust > Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2011 1:26 PM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Known Bugs List in A2K7/10 > > I can state without question that I hate Access 2010 even more than > 2007. > Particularly the report generator! > > Charlotte Foust > > On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 10:45 AM, Arthur Fuller > wrote: > > > Does anyone know of a known bug list for these two products? I am > running > > into some very strange issues, and if they are known bugs then I can > stop > > fighting them and just acknowledge that it's time to move on to a more > > solid > > platform. Weird screen behaviour, saved changes turn out not to be > saved, > > etc. Very frustrating. Maybe it's time for a c# course. > > > > A. > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > > > > > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is > believed to be clean. > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > From BradM at blackforestltd.com Tue Oct 18 15:05:44 2011 From: BradM at blackforestltd.com (Brad Marks) Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2011 15:05:44 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Known Bugs List in A2K7/10 References: Message-ID: Charlotte, Thanks for the info. Brad -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2011 3:06 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Known Bugs List in A2K7/10 I didn't work much with 2007, but I've been using a 2010 accdb based on the contacts template to handle an invitation list for a friend. I wanted to print the Company name if it was Xyz Company and otherwise to print the email address on a report listing the contacts. In VB.Net, that would have been a no brainer. In Access, I could not find any way to change the visibility of a control on the subreport in the events of the subreport (parent report unbound), so I finally was forced to use the CanGrow/CanShrink properties to print both fields when they existed! I probably could have worked around it if I had wanted to struggle for hours with it, but I didn't. I could have gone unbound if I could have found the appropriate event to use to populate a label or some such, or I could have juggled subreports I guess. It was just so darn limiting, that I didn't bother. Charlotte Foust On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 11:39 AM, Brad Marks wrote: > Charlotte, > > We are VERY dependent on Access 2007 Reports. There has been some talk > about migrating to Access 2010. I am curious to learn what you are > seeing in the area of report problems. > > Is the Access 2010 Report generator much different than the Access 2007 > Report generator? > > Thanks, > Brad > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte > Foust > Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2011 1:26 PM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Known Bugs List in A2K7/10 > > I can state without question that I hate Access 2010 even more than > 2007. > Particularly the report generator! > > Charlotte Foust > > On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 10:45 AM, Arthur Fuller > wrote: > > > Does anyone know of a known bug list for these two products? I am > running > > into some very strange issues, and if they are known bugs then I can > stop > > fighting them and just acknowledge that it's time to move on to a more > > solid > > platform. Weird screen behaviour, saved changes turn out not to be > saved, > > etc. Very frustrating. Maybe it's time for a c# course. > > > > A. > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > > > > > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is > believed to be clean. > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. From charlotte.foust at gmail.com Tue Oct 18 15:10:39 2011 From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust) Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2011 13:10:39 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Known Bugs List in A2K7/10 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: By the way, does anyone know of a way to make the breakpoints in 2010 VBA actually work in a report? As of 2002, they did but I can't make it happen in 2010 and I don't have the earlier versions on this machine since the last Windows 7 reinstall. Charlotte Foust On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 1:05 PM, Charlotte Foust wrote: > I didn't work much with 2007, but I've been using a 2010 accdb based on the > contacts template to handle an invitation list for a friend. I wanted to > print the Company name if it was Xyz Company and otherwise to print the > email address on a report listing the contacts. In VB.Net, that would have > been a no brainer. In Access, I could not find any way to change the > visibility of a control on the subreport in the events of the subreport > (parent report unbound), so I finally was forced to use the > CanGrow/CanShrink properties to print both fields when they existed! I > probably could have worked around it if I had wanted to struggle for hours > with it, but I didn't. I could have gone unbound if I could have found the > appropriate event to use to populate a label or some such, or I could have > juggled subreports I guess. It was just so darn limiting, that I didn't > bother. > > Charlotte Foust > > On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 11:39 AM, Brad Marks wrote: > >> Charlotte, >> >> We are VERY dependent on Access 2007 Reports. There has been some talk >> about migrating to Access 2010. I am curious to learn what you are >> seeing in the area of report problems. >> >> Is the Access 2010 Report generator much different than the Access 2007 >> Report generator? >> >> Thanks, >> Brad >> >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte >> Foust >> Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2011 1:26 PM >> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving >> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Known Bugs List in A2K7/10 >> >> I can state without question that I hate Access 2010 even more than >> 2007. >> Particularly the report generator! >> >> Charlotte Foust >> >> On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 10:45 AM, Arthur Fuller >> wrote: >> >> > Does anyone know of a known bug list for these two products? I am >> running >> > into some very strange issues, and if they are known bugs then I can >> stop >> > fighting them and just acknowledge that it's time to move on to a more >> > solid >> > platform. Weird screen behaviour, saved changes turn out not to be >> saved, >> > etc. Very frustrating. Maybe it's time for a c# course. >> > >> > A. >> > -- >> > AccessD mailing list >> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >> >> >> >> > >> > >> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> >> >> > >> > >> > >> -- >> AccessD mailing list >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >> >> >> >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> >> >> >> -- >> This message has been scanned for viruses and >> dangerous content by MailScanner, and is >> believed to be clean. >> >> >> -- >> AccessD mailing list >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >> >> >> >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> >> >> > From BradM at blackforestltd.com Tue Oct 18 16:26:39 2011 From: BradM at blackforestltd.com (Brad Marks) Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2011 16:26:39 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Known Bugs List in A2K7/10 References: <002f01cc8dc8$eecfe780$cc6fb680$@net> Message-ID: > Brad Marks or some other MSFT employee is tracking these issues on the > social.msdn website. Could there be two people named "Brad Marks" with connections to MS Access issues? I work for a small manufacturing firm. My background (in a prior job) is in "Big Iron" (IBM Mainframes) and I am a relative newcomer to the world of Access and other Microsoft products. Brad Marks PS. I don't believe in reincarnation, but I might have in a prior life :-) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~ -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Simms Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2011 2:06 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Known Bugs List in A2K7/10 Gang -the 2010 issue list is huge. Things like the CDate comparison are due to the changes made to VBA and the interpreter. Once they messed around with that, it opened up a whole can of worms. Indeed 2010 is like "Pandora's Box" for developers. Get this: User does an Undo on a bare form's record. They can easily add a new record right after that. But I cannot do the above in VBA !!! Took me 6 hours to determine how to work around it....and a Requery was necessary after each and every Undo so that a new record could be added. Tested and worked fine in 2007. Brad Marks or some other MSFT employee is tracking these issues on the social.msdn website. BUT, I seriously doubt you would get a chance to peak at the list. (you might faint !) -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. From tinanfields at torchlake.com Tue Oct 18 17:01:00 2011 From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields) Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2011 18:01:00 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] We only notice the significant observations In-Reply-To: <002101cc8903$3a4e9f00$aeebdd00$@mattysconsulting.com> References: <9879741544574AB0827B9658FA8ACD4B@HAL9007> <00b001cc8834$4de2fc20$e9a8f460$@mattysconsulting.com> <4E956F0E.3070704@colbyconsulting.com> <001101cc88e9$fab22c40$f01684c0$@mattysconsulting.com> <002101cc8903$3a4e9f00$aeebdd00$@mattysconsulting.com> Message-ID: <4E9DF71C.6050802@torchlake.com> This was amazing! Thanks T Tina Norris Fields tinanfields at torchlake.com 231-322-2787 On 10/12/2011 1:20 PM, Michael Mattys wrote: > Wonderful stuff. > > http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/evolution/darwin-never-knew.html > http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/evolution/are-we-still-evolving.html > > Michael R Mattys > Mattys Consulting, LLC > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Michael Mattys > Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2011 10:20 AM > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > Subject: Re: [AccessD] We only notice the significant observations > > I enjoyed that 1995 speech by Steve Jobs, Arthur. > "Stay hungry, stay foolish." > > I would love to learn the programming language of adding information to DNA. > http://www.evolutionofdna.com/Evolution-Of-DNA.html > > Michael R Mattys > Mattys Consulting, LLC > www.mattysconsulting.com > > From tinanfields at torchlake.com Tue Oct 18 17:01:58 2011 From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields) Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2011 18:01:58 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] We only notice the significant observations In-Reply-To: <002901cc8912$808c5980$81a50c80$@mattysconsulting.com> References: <9879741544574AB0827B9658FA8ACD4B@HAL9007> <00b001cc8834$4de2fc20$e9a8f460$@mattysconsulting.com> <4E956F0E.3070704@colbyconsulting.com> <001101cc88e9$fab22c40$f01684c0$@mattysconsulting.com> <002101cc8903$3a4e9f00$aeebdd00$@mattysconsulting.com><4E95D587.5070908@colbyconsulting.com> <002901cc8912$808c5980$81a50c80$@mattysconsulting.com> Message-ID: <4E9DF756.2010100@torchlake.com> I did! Tina Norris Fields tinanfields at torchlake.com 231-322-2787 On 10/12/2011 3:09 PM, Michael Mattys wrote: > I didn't get anything from there that I didn't know already. > > Michael R Mattys > Mattys Consulting, LLC > www.mattysconsulting.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby > Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2011 2:00 PM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] We only notice the significant observations > > Indeed. We find truth in the strangest places. > > John W. Colby > Colby Consulting > > Reality is what refuses to go away > when you do not believe in it > > On 10/12/2011 1:20 PM, Michael Mattys wrote: >> Wonderful stuff. >> >> http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/evolution/darwin-never-knew.html >> http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/evolution/are-we-still-evolving.html >> >> Michael R Mattys >> Mattys Consulting, LLC >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Michael Mattys >> Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2011 10:20 AM >> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' >> Subject: Re: [AccessD] We only notice the significant observations >> >> I enjoyed that 1995 speech by Steve Jobs, Arthur. >> "Stay hungry, stay foolish." >> >> I would love to learn the programming language of adding information to > DNA. >> http://www.evolutionofdna.com/Evolution-Of-DNA.html >> >> Michael R Mattys >> Mattys Consulting, LLC >> www.mattysconsulting.com >> >> From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au Tue Oct 18 17:28:41 2011 From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins) Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2011 22:28:41 +0000 Subject: [AccessD] Known Bugs List in A2K7/10 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55BBD9A@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com> "Allen Browne site has a list" (both 2007 and 2010) <> Cheers Darryl. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of David McAfee Sent: Wednesday, 19 October 2011 5:28 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Known Bugs List in A2K7/10 Allen Browne site has a list (Sorry I don't have the link at the moment) I think A2010 SP1 (or was it Win7 Sp1, or both) had some weird issues. I have had some things that have been working for years suddenly break. I have also had some weird things happen that I haven't pin pointed yet, such as: A form launching a report in preview mode Pressing Print, prints the form behind the report, not the report itself. I thought the user was doing something wrong, but it has happened again to another user. I though the from / report were corrupt, so I wiped the FE from their computer and reinstalled it. Same issue. Reboot the box. Same issue. Came back to my desk to check a few things and go back and it was working again. weird. I've had other issues where I had to put CDATE() around a date field when comparing something such as: If Me.txtIncentiveStartDate = CDate(Me.lstHist.Column(3)) Then I had to change it to : If CDate(Me.txtIncentiveStartDate) = CDate(Me.lstHist.Column(3)) Then I've also had another issue where I had to change code that has worked for several years: If (SysCmd(acSysCmdAccessVer) = 14) Then Me.RecordSource = "EXEC dbo.stpItemDetHist " & Me.InputParameters Else Me.RecordSourceQualifier = "dbo" Me.RecordSource = "stpItemDetHist" End If On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 10:45 AM, Arthur Fuller wrote: > Does anyone know of a known bug list for these two products? I am running > into some very strange issues, and if they are known bugs then I can stop > fighting them and just acknowledge that it's time to move on to a more > solid > platform. Weird screen behaviour, saved changes turn out not to be saved, > etc. Very frustrating. Maybe it's time for a c# course. > > A. > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au Tue Oct 18 17:34:05 2011 From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins) Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2011 22:34:05 +0000 Subject: [AccessD] Known Bugs List in A2K7/10 In-Reply-To: <007401cc8dcf$27f84330$77e8c990$@net> References: <002f01cc8dc8$eecfe780$cc6fb680$@net> <007401cc8dcf$27f84330$77e8c990$@net> Message-ID: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55BBDAB@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com> I am with Doug, I prefer A2010 to A2007 which I find painful beast to use most of the time. in-elegant and clunky is how I best describe it - and freaking weird. It does some strange things from time to time. That said I haven't used split forms yet so who knows, I am sure there are monsters lurking out there on the edge of darkness. I do use 100% native accdb formats though. XL2010 on the other hand is rather nice to use. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Simms Sent: Wednesday, 19 October 2011 6:50 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Known Bugs List in A2K7/10 Yeah, Doug, but you're probably not using any ACCDB 2007/2010 features like splitforms, etc. > Funnily enough, I've had virtually no problems running A2003 databases > in > A2010. Unlike A2007, which was a nightmare, especially for the first > year > or so. > > Doug > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From michael at mattysconsulting.com Tue Oct 18 17:57:51 2011 From: michael at mattysconsulting.com (Michael Mattys) Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2011 18:57:51 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] We only notice the significant observations In-Reply-To: <4E9DF756.2010100@torchlake.com> References: <9879741544574AB0827B9658FA8ACD4B@HAL9007> <00b001cc8834$4de2fc20$e9a8f460$@mattysconsulting.com> <4E956F0E.3070704@colbyconsulting.com> <001101cc88e9$fab22c40$f01684c0$@mattysconsulting.com> <002101cc8903$3a4e9f00$aeebdd00$@mattysconsulting.com><4E95D587.5070908@colbyconsulting.com> <002901cc8912$808c5980$81a50c80$@mattysconsulting.com> <4E9DF756.2010100@torchlake.com> Message-ID: <000001cc8de9$5dcc2ca0$196485e0$@mattysconsulting.com> I'm glad you enjoyed it. It reminded me of one of my favorite shows, Star Trek. We watch all of the series for Enterprise, Voyager, DS9, Next Gen, and, of course, the Classic 60's version on NetFlix. I can't wait til they figure out what life actually is so that the transporter will work! Michael R Mattys Mattys Consulting, LLC www.mattysconsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina Norris Fields Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2011 6:02 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] We only notice the significant observations I did! Tina Norris Fields tinanfields at torchlake.com 231-322-2787 On 10/12/2011 3:09 PM, Michael Mattys wrote: > I didn't get anything from there that I didn't know already. > > Michael R Mattys > Mattys Consulting, LLC > www.mattysconsulting.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby > Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2011 2:00 PM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] We only notice the significant observations > > Indeed. We find truth in the strangest places. > > John W. Colby > Colby Consulting > > Reality is what refuses to go away > when you do not believe in it > > On 10/12/2011 1:20 PM, Michael Mattys wrote: >> Wonderful stuff. >> >> http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/evolution/darwin-never-knew.html >> http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/evolution/are-we-still-evolving.html >> >> Michael R Mattys >> Mattys Consulting, LLC >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Michael Mattys >> Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2011 10:20 AM >> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' >> Subject: Re: [AccessD] We only notice the significant observations >> >> I enjoyed that 1995 speech by Steve Jobs, Arthur. >> "Stay hungry, stay foolish." >> >> I would love to learn the programming language of adding information to > DNA. >> http://www.evolutionofdna.com/Evolution-Of-DNA.html >> >> Michael R Mattys >> Mattys Consulting, LLC >> www.mattysconsulting.com >> >> -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From marksimms at verizon.net Tue Oct 18 18:08:14 2011 From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms) Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2011 19:08:14 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Known Bugs List in A2K7/10 In-Reply-To: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55BBDAB@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com> References: <002f01cc8dc8$eecfe780$cc6fb680$@net> <007401cc8dcf$27f84330$77e8c990$@net> <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55BBDAB@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com> Message-ID: <00b301cc8dea$d0d586a0$728093e0$@net> No way. 2010 is way more pain than 2007. That being said, AC 2007 could easily be blown-up by simply moving form controls on a multipage control. The sheer number of complaints about 2010 on the social.msdn website forum for Access is pretty much the proof in the pudding so-to-speak. > I am with Doug, I prefer A2010 to A2007 which I find painful beast to > use most of the time. in-elegant and clunky is how I best describe it - > and freaking weird. It does some strange things from time to time. From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au Tue Oct 18 18:51:17 2011 From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins) Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2011 23:51:17 +0000 Subject: [AccessD] Known Bugs List in A2K7/10 In-Reply-To: <00b301cc8dea$d0d586a0$728093e0$@net> References: <002f01cc8dc8$eecfe780$cc6fb680$@net> <007401cc8dcf$27f84330$77e8c990$@net> <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55BBDAB@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com> <00b301cc8dea$d0d586a0$728093e0$@net> Message-ID: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55BBEF3@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com> Thanks Mark, Looks like am in for some future 'fun'. Right now I use A2007 80% of the time vs A2010 for the other 20%. Perhaps my current experience and feelings are based on this ratio rather than the actual issues in each individual product. I do find A2010 more finished and smooth to use, but that maybe because I don't push it around too much right now. Let just say I respect your (and everyone on this list) opinions and happy to listen to the (usually excellent) advice you all give on these matters. Cheers Darry. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Simms Sent: Wednesday, 19 October 2011 10:08 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Known Bugs List in A2K7/10 No way. 2010 is way more pain than 2007. That being said, AC 2007 could easily be blown-up by simply moving form controls on a multipage control. The sheer number of complaints about 2010 on the social.msdn website forum for Access is pretty much the proof in the pudding so-to-speak. > I am with Doug, I prefer A2010 to A2007 which I find painful beast to > use most of the time. in-elegant and clunky is how I best describe it - > and freaking weird. It does some strange things from time to time. -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Gustav at cactus.dk Wed Oct 19 03:14:40 2011 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2011 10:14:40 +0200 Subject: [AccessD] Known Bugs List in A2K7/10 Message-ID: Hi Mark and Darry and ... Oh my, what a frightening thread. You guys and Charlotte really scare one from ever touching development in Access 2007 or 2010. I never moved beyond 2003 ... then took a sharp right (pun and pun intended!) turn to .Net, C#, and Visual Studio. /gustav >>> darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au 19-10-2011 01:51 >>> Thanks Mark, Looks like am in for some future 'fun'. Right now I use A2007 80% of the time vs A2010 for the other 20%. Perhaps my current experience and feelings are based on this ratio rather than the actual issues in each individual product. I do find A2010 more finished and smooth to use, but that maybe because I don't push it around too much right now. Let just say I respect your (and everyone on this list) opinions and happy to listen to the (usually excellent) advice you all give on these matters. Cheers Darry. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Simms Sent: Wednesday, 19 October 2011 10:08 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Known Bugs List in A2K7/10 No way. 2010 is way more pain than 2007. That being said, AC 2007 could easily be blown-up by simply moving form controls on a multipage control. The sheer number of complaints about 2010 on the social.msdn website forum for Access is pretty much the proof in the pudding so-to-speak. > I am with Doug, I prefer A2010 to A2007 which I find painful beast to > use most of the time. in-elegant and clunky is how I best describe it - > and freaking weird. It does some strange things from time to time. From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Wed Oct 19 03:28:35 2011 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2011 18:28:35 +1000 Subject: [AccessD] Known Bugs List in A2K7/10 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4E9E8A33.5135.61C4375@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> I'm still developing primarily in 2003 and deploying the .mdbs on 07/10 installations. Generally it works seamlessly. -- Stuart On 19 Oct 2011 at 10:14, Gustav Brock wrote: > Hi Mark and Darry and ... > > Oh my, what a frightening thread. You guys and Charlotte really scare > one from ever touching development in Access 2007 or 2010. I never > moved beyond 2003 ... then took a sharp right (pun and pun intended!) > turn to .Net, C#, and Visual Studio. > > /gustav > > > >>> darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au 19-10-2011 01:51 >>> > Thanks Mark, > > Looks like am in for some future 'fun'. Right now I use A2007 80% of > the time vs A2010 for the other 20%. Perhaps my current experience > and feelings are based on this ratio rather than the actual issues in > each individual product. > > I do find A2010 more finished and smooth to use, but that maybe > because I don't push it around too much right now. > > Let just say I respect your (and everyone on this list) opinions and > happy to listen to the (usually excellent) advice you all give on > these matters. > > Cheers > Darry. > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Simms > Sent: Wednesday, 19 October 2011 10:08 AM To: 'Access Developers > discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Known Bugs List > in A2K7/10 > > No way. 2010 is way more pain than 2007. That being said, AC 2007 > could easily be blown-up by simply moving form controls on a multipage > control. The sheer number of complaints about 2010 on the social.msdn > website forum for Access is pretty much the proof in the pudding > so-to-speak. > > > I am with Doug, I prefer A2010 to A2007 which I find painful beast > > to use most of the time. in-elegant and clunky is how I best > > describe it - and freaking weird. It does some strange things from > > time to time. > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From marksimms at verizon.net Wed Oct 19 09:01:28 2011 From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms) Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2011 10:01:28 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Known Bugs List in A2K7/10 In-Reply-To: <4E9E8A33.5135.61C4375@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: <4E9E8A33.5135.61C4375@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <006d01cc8e67$994826c0$cbd87440$@net> If you are just porting an old AC2003 app, then it's OK. I'm referring to NEW DEVELOPMENT in 2010 using NEW FEATURES and/or trying tricky stuff. My "big problem" is that I've been mesmerized by the "feng shui" and new graphics of AC2007/2010. The ability to use efficient PNG files is very nice. In fact, I really shudder now when I see an older 2003 app....kinda "fuggly". To wit: I turned down a consulting gig when the IT department would not even spend 1 day testing the AC2007 runtime in a Citrix server environment. They said "you're stuck with 2003". I said "good bye". Just another "run-in" with the IT department. Having to deal with IT from the outside is very, very frustrating stuff. From dbdoug at gmail.com Wed Oct 19 09:26:43 2011 From: dbdoug at gmail.com (Doug Steele) Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2011 07:26:43 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Known Bugs List in A2K7/10 In-Reply-To: <006d01cc8e67$994826c0$cbd87440$@net> References: <4E9E8A33.5135.61C4375@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <006d01cc8e67$994826c0$cbd87440$@net> Message-ID: I didn't realize that A2010 has feng shui! Now, finally, Microsoft appears to be ahead of the curve. If I'd known that, I would have paid a lot more attention :) Doug On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 7:01 AM, Mark Simms wrote: > If you are just porting an old AC2003 app, then it's OK. > I'm referring to NEW DEVELOPMENT in 2010 using NEW FEATURES and/or trying > tricky stuff. > My "big problem" is that I've been mesmerized by the "feng shui" and new > graphics of AC2007/2010. > The ability to use efficient PNG files is very nice. > > In fact, I really shudder now when I see an older 2003 app....kinda > "fuggly". > To wit: I turned down a consulting gig when the IT department would not > even > spend 1 day testing the AC2007 runtime in a Citrix server environment. They > said "you're stuck with 2003". I said "good bye". Just another "run-in" > with > the IT department. Having to deal with IT from the outside is very, very > frustrating stuff. > > > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From guss at beechnutconsulting.com Wed Oct 19 10:25:20 2011 From: guss at beechnutconsulting.com (Guss Ginsburg) Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2011 10:25:20 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Data Collection via Email in Access 2007/10 Message-ID: <003301cc8e73$5158a950$f409fbf0$@beechnutconsulting.com> I am trying to implement a button on a form (for a call center application) so that when a case# is opened, you can click on the button and have it generate an HTML email form to the person being assigned the case, who may reply to the message with updates to specific fields on the form. When the user replies to the message it should update the specific record(s) upon hitting the designated folder in Outlook. I have been able to get this process to work once in a while when I use the External Data -> Data Collection feature on the ribbon. Lately, I have been getting messages that either the email addresses are null or invalid, or that there is no data for the records specified. Unfortunately, I did not think to capture the xml file upon one of the successful tries using the wizard. I have printed out a couple of versions of the AccessDCActionFile.xml, and perhaps I need help on what the xml file must look like in order to work as advertised. Once I get that down, I should be able to code the command button to generate xml that works. I am attaching the xml file, which I have reformatted to make it more readable. The attached file does not work. I am using Access 2010. I have set up a query based on the recordset that selects the records and fields that may be included on the html form, then walk through the wizard to generate the email form. I do not actually see the email form that was generated (unless I select the recipients from my Outlook contacts folder). I have a suspicion that the problem may be something in the xml being generated, but don't know what it should look like exactly. Any ideas? Thank you very much. Sincerely yours, Guss Ginsburg Beechnut Consulting Services 5247 Beechnut Street Houston, TX 77096 Ph: 713-667-8216 Cell: 713-553-6298 www.beechnutconsulting.com From marksimms at verizon.net Wed Oct 19 12:10:35 2011 From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms) Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2011 13:10:35 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Known Bugs List in A2K7/10 In-Reply-To: References: <4E9E8A33.5135.61C4375@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <006d01cc8e67$994826c0$cbd87440$@net> Message-ID: <008001cc8e82$04f3a1f0$0edae5d0$@net> Hah, hah...very funny Doug ! From vbacreations at gmail.com Wed Oct 19 20:46:48 2011 From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson (VBACreations.Com)) Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2011 21:46:48 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Known Bugs List in A2K7/10 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000801cc8eca$225908a0$670b19e0$@gmail.com> >> .Net, C#, and Visual Studio. I wish I had the intelligence to pick up something new... don't... -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2011 4:15 AM To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [AccessD] Known Bugs List in A2K7/10 Hi Mark and Darry and ... Oh my, what a frightening thread. You guys and Charlotte really scare one from ever touching development in Access 2007 or 2010. I never moved beyond 2003 ... then took a sharp right (pun and pun intended!) turn to .Net, C#, and Visual Studio. /gustav >>> darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au 19-10-2011 01:51 >>> Thanks Mark, Looks like am in for some future 'fun'. Right now I use A2007 80% of the time vs A2010 for the other 20%. Perhaps my current experience and feelings are based on this ratio rather than the actual issues in each individual product. I do find A2010 more finished and smooth to use, but that maybe because I don't push it around too much right now. Let just say I respect your (and everyone on this list) opinions and happy to listen to the (usually excellent) advice you all give on these matters. Cheers Darry. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Simms Sent: Wednesday, 19 October 2011 10:08 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Known Bugs List in A2K7/10 No way. 2010 is way more pain than 2007. That being said, AC 2007 could easily be blown-up by simply moving form controls on a multipage control. The sheer number of complaints about 2010 on the social.msdn website forum for Access is pretty much the proof in the pudding so-to-speak. > I am with Doug, I prefer A2010 to A2007 which I find painful beast to > use most of the time. in-elegant and clunky is how I best describe it - > and freaking weird. It does some strange things from time to time. -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From vbacreations at gmail.com Wed Oct 19 20:50:39 2011 From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson (VBACreations.Com)) Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2011 21:50:39 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Known Bugs List in A2K7/10 In-Reply-To: <4E9E8A33.5135.61C4375@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: <4E9E8A33.5135.61C4375@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <000901cc8eca$ac281df0$047859d0$@gmail.com> I think this is fine *IF* 2010 is not going to flake out on your users after deployment when you're all confident in your software cuz it worked fine in development... I develop (the limited bit I do) in 2010 so that if it doesn't work for me, I won't expect it to work for them. If something is supposed to work, I don't see the benefit of gaining false assurance just because it does in 2003. And I have definitely seen code I wrote in 2003 not work in 2010, I just can't remember what just now. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2011 4:29 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Known Bugs List in A2K7/10 I'm still developing primarily in 2003 and deploying the .mdbs on 07/10 installations. Generally it works seamlessly. -- Stuart On 19 Oct 2011 at 10:14, Gustav Brock wrote: > Hi Mark and Darry and ... > > Oh my, what a frightening thread. You guys and Charlotte really scare > one from ever touching development in Access 2007 or 2010. I never > moved beyond 2003 ... then took a sharp right (pun and pun intended!) > turn to .Net, C#, and Visual Studio. > > /gustav > > > >>> darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au 19-10-2011 01:51 >>> > Thanks Mark, > > Looks like am in for some future 'fun'. Right now I use A2007 80% of > the time vs A2010 for the other 20%. Perhaps my current experience > and feelings are based on this ratio rather than the actual issues in > each individual product. > > I do find A2010 more finished and smooth to use, but that maybe > because I don't push it around too much right now. > > Let just say I respect your (and everyone on this list) opinions and > happy to listen to the (usually excellent) advice you all give on > these matters. > > Cheers > Darry. > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Simms > Sent: Wednesday, 19 October 2011 10:08 AM To: 'Access Developers > discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Known Bugs List > in A2K7/10 > > No way. 2010 is way more pain than 2007. That being said, AC 2007 > could easily be blown-up by simply moving form controls on a multipage > control. The sheer number of complaints about 2010 on the social.msdn > website forum for Access is pretty much the proof in the pudding > so-to-speak. > > > I am with Doug, I prefer A2010 to A2007 which I find painful beast > > to use most of the time. in-elegant and clunky is how I best > > describe it - and freaking weird. It does some strange things from > > time to time. > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au Wed Oct 19 21:13:05 2011 From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins) Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2011 02:13:05 +0000 Subject: [AccessD] Known Bugs List in A2K7/10 In-Reply-To: <000901cc8eca$ac281df0$047859d0$@gmail.com> References: <4E9E8A33.5135.61C4375@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <000901cc8eca$ac281df0$047859d0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55BC2C9@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com> I agree it is risky to assume it will work. I have numerous instances where code fails in both Access and XL between 2003 and 2007+. Sometimes it is understandable and even documented (ie code / features / syntax has been changed or removed - filesearch is a good example of this). But other times it is just plain weird and makes NO sense at all. Such are having to move Activeworkbook.ResetColors to further down the code to prevent data corruption & crashing in XL2007 - something which had worked flawlessly for years in XL2003. That was really odd. The risk for me is my clients run a whole mixed bag of OS's and Office version. Guess I am lucky there are no Macs out there I need to deal with so far. Cheers d -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Benson (VBACreations.Com) Sent: Thursday, 20 October 2011 12:51 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Known Bugs List in A2K7/10 I think this is fine *IF* 2010 is not going to flake out on your users after deployment when you're all confident in your software cuz it worked fine in development... I develop (the limited bit I do) in 2010 so that if it doesn't work for me, I won't expect it to work for them. If something is supposed to work, I don't see the benefit of gaining false assurance just because it does in 2003. And I have definitely seen code I wrote in 2003 not work in 2010, I just can't remember what just now. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2011 4:29 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Known Bugs List in A2K7/10 I'm still developing primarily in 2003 and deploying the .mdbs on 07/10 installations. Generally it works seamlessly. -- Stuart On 19 Oct 2011 at 10:14, Gustav Brock wrote: > Hi Mark and Darry and ... > > Oh my, what a frightening thread. You guys and Charlotte really scare > one from ever touching development in Access 2007 or 2010. I never > moved beyond 2003 ... then took a sharp right (pun and pun intended!) > turn to .Net, C#, and Visual Studio. > > /gustav > > > >>> darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au 19-10-2011 01:51 >>> > Thanks Mark, > > Looks like am in for some future 'fun'. Right now I use A2007 80% of > the time vs A2010 for the other 20%. Perhaps my current experience > and feelings are based on this ratio rather than the actual issues in > each individual product. > > I do find A2010 more finished and smooth to use, but that maybe > because I don't push it around too much right now. > > Let just say I respect your (and everyone on this list) opinions and > happy to listen to the (usually excellent) advice you all give on > these matters. > > Cheers > Darry. > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Simms > Sent: Wednesday, 19 October 2011 10:08 AM To: 'Access Developers > discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Known Bugs List > in A2K7/10 > > No way. 2010 is way more pain than 2007. That being said, AC 2007 > could easily be blown-up by simply moving form controls on a multipage > control. The sheer number of complaints about 2010 on the social.msdn > website forum for Access is pretty much the proof in the pudding > so-to-speak. > > > I am with Doug, I prefer A2010 to A2007 which I find painful beast > > to use most of the time. in-elegant and clunky is how I best > > describe it - and freaking weird. It does some strange things from > > time to time. > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Gustav at cactus.dk Thu Oct 20 03:06:13 2011 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2011 10:06:13 +0200 Subject: [AccessD] Known Bugs List in A2K7/10 Message-ID: Hi William Don't say that. As a matter of fact with knowledge like yours, getting started with Visual Studio is more a question about available time and patience to pass the first steps of the learning curve - then it is forward (no ending point). /gustav >>> vbacreations at gmail.com 20-10-2011 03:46 >>> >> .Net, C#, and Visual Studio. I wish I had the intelligence to pick up something new... don't... -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2011 4:15 AM To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [AccessD] Known Bugs List in A2K7/10 Hi Mark and Darry and ... Oh my, what a frightening thread. You guys and Charlotte really scare one from ever touching development in Access 2007 or 2010. I never moved beyond 2003 ... then took a sharp right (pun and pun intended!) turn to .Net, C#, and Visual Studio. /gustav From tinanfields at torchlake.com Thu Oct 20 07:50:08 2011 From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields) Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2011 08:50:08 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Known Bugs List in A2K7/10 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4EA01900.9020409@torchlake.com> Gustav, I'm so glad you spoke up about that. We who already know how to learn are better prepared than many of our younger colleagues to take on another programming language. T Tina Norris Fields tinanfields at torchlake.com 231-322-2787 On 10/20/2011 4:06 AM, Gustav Brock wrote: > Hi William > > Don't say that. As a matter of fact with knowledge like yours, getting started with Visual Studio is more a question about available time and patience to pass the first steps of the learning curve - then it is forward (no ending point). > > /gustav > > >>>> vbacreations at gmail.com 20-10-2011 03:46>>> >>> .Net, C#, and Visual Studio. > I wish I had the intelligence to pick up something new... don't... > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock > Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2011 4:15 AM > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Known Bugs List in A2K7/10 > > Hi Mark and Darry and ... > > Oh my, what a frightening thread. You guys and Charlotte really scare one > from ever touching development in Access 2007 or 2010. > I never moved beyond 2003 ... then took a sharp right (pun and pun > intended!) turn to .Net, C#, and Visual Studio. > > /gustav > > From marksimms at verizon.net Thu Oct 20 08:50:00 2011 From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms) Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2011 09:50:00 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Known Bugs List in A2K7/10 In-Reply-To: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55BC2C9@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com> References: <4E9E8A33.5135.61C4375@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <000901cc8eca$ac281df0$047859d0$@gmail.com> <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55BC2C9@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com> Message-ID: <000001cc8f2f$29c987d0$7d5c9770$@net> I just want to let you know that the current demise of Access is totally MSFT's own fault: Poor beta testing of new releases. Business users just don't tolerate buggy software. PERIOD. It's unproductive and wasteful. I begged to be on the AC2010 beta test list....and the then product manager rejected my application. I don't think they even have an Access product manager now. From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au Thu Oct 20 17:44:51 2011 From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins) Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2011 22:44:51 +0000 Subject: [AccessD] Known Bugs List in A2K7/10 In-Reply-To: <000001cc8f2f$29c987d0$7d5c9770$@net> References: <4E9E8A33.5135.61C4375@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <000901cc8eca$ac281df0$047859d0$@gmail.com> <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55BC2C9@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com> <000001cc8f2f$29c987d0$7d5c9770$@net> Message-ID: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55BC4B5@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com> Not to mention risky as hell. No-one was to risk their data getting lost, corrupted or destroyed. Especially when the user has done nothing stupid or wrong, but the software itself is causing the issues. Access was already treated with some suspicion by the corporate IT world. I doubt it's standing has improved much with the new releases. IMHO they have tried to turn it into some kind of spreadsheet in a hope that XL users will pick it up for the extra grunt that Access offers. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Simms Sent: Friday, 21 October 2011 12:50 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Known Bugs List in A2K7/10 I just want to let you know that the current demise of Access is totally MSFT's own fault: Poor beta testing of new releases. Business users just don't tolerate buggy software. PERIOD. It's unproductive and wasteful. I begged to be on the AC2010 beta test list....and the then product manager rejected my application. I don't think they even have an Access product manager now. -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From davidmcafee at gmail.com Thu Oct 20 17:56:16 2011 From: davidmcafee at gmail.com (David McAfee) Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2011 15:56:16 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Known Bugs List in A2K7/10 In-Reply-To: <000901cc8eca$ac281df0$047859d0$@gmail.com> References: <4E9E8A33.5135.61C4375@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <000901cc8eca$ac281df0$047859d0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: This is what happened to me with my VBA rowsource example that I posted. The code had worked for years, even on 2010, then SP1 was released and it broke. Luckily it was a local user and a very quick fix for me to figure out. D On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 6:50 PM, William Benson (VBACreations.Com) < vbacreations at gmail.com> wrote: > I think this is fine *IF* 2010 is not going to flake out on your users > after > deployment when you're all confident in your software cuz it worked fine in > development... I develop (the limited bit I do) in 2010 so that if it > doesn't work for me, I won't expect it to work for them. If something is > supposed to work, I don't see the benefit of gaining false assurance just > because it does in 2003. And I have definitely seen code I wrote in 2003 > not > work in 2010, I just can't remember what just now. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart > McLachlan > Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2011 4:29 AM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Known Bugs List in A2K7/10 > > I'm still developing primarily in 2003 and deploying the .mdbs on 07/10 > installations. > Generally it works seamlessly. > > -- > Stuart > > On 19 Oct 2011 at 10:14, Gustav Brock wrote: > > > Hi Mark and Darry and ... > > > > Oh my, what a frightening thread. You guys and Charlotte really scare > > one from ever touching development in Access 2007 or 2010. I never > > moved beyond 2003 ... then took a sharp right (pun and pun intended!) > > turn to .Net, C#, and Visual Studio. > > > > /gustav > > > > > > >>> darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au 19-10-2011 01:51 >>> > > Thanks Mark, > > > > Looks like am in for some future 'fun'. Right now I use A2007 80% of > > the time vs A2010 for the other 20%. Perhaps my current experience > > and feelings are based on this ratio rather than the actual issues in > > each individual product. > > > > I do find A2010 more finished and smooth to use, but that maybe > > because I don't push it around too much right now. > > > > Let just say I respect your (and everyone on this list) opinions and > > happy to listen to the (usually excellent) advice you all give on > > these matters. > > > > Cheers > > Darry. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Simms > > Sent: Wednesday, 19 October 2011 10:08 AM To: 'Access Developers > > discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Known Bugs List > > in A2K7/10 > > > > No way. 2010 is way more pain than 2007. That being said, AC 2007 > > could easily be blown-up by simply moving form controls on a multipage > > control. The sheer number of complaints about 2010 on the social.msdn > > website forum for Access is pretty much the proof in the pudding > > so-to-speak. > > > > > I am with Doug, I prefer A2010 to A2007 which I find painful beast > > > to use most of the time. in-elegant and clunky is how I best > > > describe it - and freaking weird. It does some strange things from > > > time to time. > > > > > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From marksimms at verizon.net Thu Oct 20 21:31:27 2011 From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms) Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2011 22:31:27 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Known Bugs List in A2K7/10 In-Reply-To: References: <4E9E8A33.5135.61C4375@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <000901cc8eca$ac281df0$047859d0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <004a01cc8f99$8944af90$9bce0eb0$@net> I've been hitting dozens of these 2010 glitches. The good news is: a "hot" fix is imminent. The bad news is: no one knows exactly what it's going to "fix". > This is what happened to me with my VBA rowsource example that I > posted. > The code had worked for years, even on 2010, then SP1 was released and > it > broke. > Luckily it was a local user and a very quick fix for me to figure out. From michael at mattysconsulting.com Sat Oct 22 11:35:40 2011 From: michael at mattysconsulting.com (Michael Mattys) Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2011 12:35:40 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Memory: The Final Frontier Message-ID: <003101cc90d8$a3ff3950$ebfdabf0$@mattysconsulting.com> It isn't Friday OT anymore, but let's call this forthcoming database technology ... http://www.viewzone.com/memorytest1.html Two things needed to even begin understanding brain, memory, and, finally, the human mind: 1) Mechanical retrieval and storage of memory from (cells of) a living, conscious human 2) Mechanical retrieval and storage of memory from a (recently) deceased human Michael R Mattys Mattys Consulting, LLC www.mattysconsulting.com From vbacreations at gmail.com Sat Oct 22 12:23:45 2011 From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson) Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2011 13:23:45 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Memory: The Final Frontier In-Reply-To: <003101cc90d8$a3ff3950$ebfdabf0$@mattysconsulting.com> References: <003101cc90d8$a3ff3950$ebfdabf0$@mattysconsulting.com> Message-ID: Transfer of memory maybe applies not only to living organ transplants but food we eat. The animals raised very inhumanely may indirectly be cause for a lot of suffering in our own lives. I am not a herbivore but after seeing Food Inc. I do feel that the rise of so much need for health care coincides with the mass production of meats. I have begun insisting our household only buy naturally raised animal products. I had not thought about it being some kind of cellular information transfer but this article has me thinking now even more along those lines. What a study that would make, a group of people who ate real "happy meals" .... products from animals raised and slauggtered humanely versus another group who ate the false "Happy Meals?". See which group suffered more from depression over the course of a year. On Oct 22, 2011 12:37 PM, "Michael Mattys" wrote: > It isn't Friday OT anymore, but let's call this forthcoming database > technology ... > > http://www.viewzone.com/memorytest1.html > > Two things needed to even begin understanding brain, memory, and, finally, > the human mind: > > 1) Mechanical retrieval and storage of memory from (cells of) a living, > conscious human > 2) Mechanical retrieval and storage of memory from a (recently) deceased > human > > Michael R Mattys > Mattys Consulting, LLC > www.mattysconsulting.com > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From michael at mattysconsulting.com Sat Oct 22 13:14:14 2011 From: michael at mattysconsulting.com (Michael Mattys) Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2011 14:14:14 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Memory: The Final Frontier In-Reply-To: References: <003101cc90d8$a3ff3950$ebfdabf0$@mattysconsulting.com> Message-ID: <003201cc90e6$69011c20$3b035460$@mattysconsulting.com> I was actually speaking toward the possibility of a far more 'personal' personal computer, that is, 'on-board' processing for memory-database access. Very interesting point of view, though, William. Michael R Mattys Mattys Consulting, LLC www.mattysconsulting.com P.S. Of course, memory would have to affect some chemical change of the animal prior to death and after death, as well as before, during, and after meal preparation. I know I hate the 'gamey' taste of adrenalin at all of those times. Perhaps there could also be a way devised to test animal memory to determine their treatment. A movie about dolphins comes to mind. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Benson Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2011 1:24 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Memory: The Final Frontier Transfer of memory maybe applies not only to living organ transplants but food we eat. The animals raised very inhumanely may indirectly be cause for a lot of suffering in our own lives. I am not a herbivore but after seeing Food Inc. I do feel that the rise of so much need for health care coincides with the mass production of meats. I have begun insisting our household only buy naturally raised animal products. I had not thought about it being some kind of cellular information transfer but this article has me thinking now even more along those lines. What a study that would make, a group of people who ate real "happy meals" .... products from animals raised and slauggtered humanely versus another group who ate the false "Happy MealsT". See which group suffered more from depression over the course of a year. On Oct 22, 2011 12:37 PM, "Michael Mattys" wrote: > It isn't Friday OT anymore, but let's call this forthcoming database > technology ... > > http://www.viewzone.com/memorytest1.html > > Two things needed to even begin understanding brain, memory, and, > finally, the human mind: > > 1) Mechanical retrieval and storage of memory from (cells of) a > living, conscious human > 2) Mechanical retrieval and storage of memory from a (recently) > deceased human > > Michael R Mattys > Mattys Consulting, LLC > www.mattysconsulting.com > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From vbacreations at gmail.com Sat Oct 22 13:37:12 2011 From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson) Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2011 14:37:12 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Memory: The Final Frontier In-Reply-To: <003201cc90e6$69011c20$3b035460$@mattysconsulting.com> References: <003101cc90d8$a3ff3950$ebfdabf0$@mattysconsulting.com> <003201cc90e6$69011c20$3b035460$@mattysconsulting.com> Message-ID: Sorry for co-opting your topic. Actually i am personally intersted in it because my own short term memory has been decaying. I have been looking for answrs as to why. I feel my personality has been changing too. Largely that i am more readily influenced by very new info rather than more established info. The symptoms are easily explained: older data is missing. And since I have not received any transplants lately I am thinking along the lines of toxins, or technological interference or food supply. As for your PS... no I think you may have missed my point. I was thinking in terms of LONG TERM storage of memories of pain/discomfort, neglect, fear,abuse, disease, and general anxiety that comes from not living life in a way compatible with the animals nature. I don't think the final stretch (slaughter and final thoughts) are recorded in the meat (of course it could be )... but if the premises in the article are valid and extrapolatable then the long term effects of the living conditions and being fed things contrary to the animals proper biological diet... things which "fatten" and make them grow their food yielding parts at the expense of proper function as nature intended could very well be something that changes us upon ingestion. Anyway I am no expert, but this article does make me think it is not all simple binary, but energy field driven. After all much thought has emotional components as well as facts. If poorly treated food supply is driving some of our own negativity then we benefit by being more humane. This would not be a hard test and I am going to recommend it to PETA or some organic farmers. Maybe it has already been done. For sure the big agribusiness and FDA would try to shut down the research. On Oct 22, 2011 2:15 PM, "Michael Mattys" wrote: > I was actually speaking toward the possibility of a far more 'personal' > personal computer, > that is, 'on-board' processing for memory-database access. > Very interesting point of view, though, William. > > Michael R Mattys > Mattys Consulting, LLC > www.mattysconsulting.com > > P.S. > > Of course, memory would have to affect some chemical change of the animal > prior to death > and after death, as well as before, during, and after meal preparation. I > know I hate the 'gamey' > taste of adrenalin at all of those times. > > Perhaps there could also be a way devised to test animal memory to > determine > their treatment. > A movie about dolphins comes to mind. > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Benson > Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2011 1:24 PM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Memory: The Final Frontier > > Transfer of memory maybe applies not only to living organ transplants but > food we eat. The animals raised very inhumanely may indirectly be cause for > a lot of suffering in our own lives. I am not a herbivore but after seeing > Food Inc. I do feel that the rise of so much need for health care > coincides > with the mass production of meats. I have begun insisting our household > only > buy naturally raised animal products. I had not thought about it being some > kind of cellular information transfer but this article has me thinking now > even more along those lines. > > What a study that would make, a group of people who ate real "happy meals" > .... products from animals raised and slauggtered humanely versus another > group who ate the false "Happy MealsT". See which group suffered more from > depression over the course of a year. > On Oct 22, 2011 12:37 PM, "Michael Mattys" > wrote: > > > It isn't Friday OT anymore, but let's call this forthcoming database > > technology ... > > > > http://www.viewzone.com/memorytest1.html > > > > Two things needed to even begin understanding brain, memory, and, > > finally, the human mind: > > > > 1) Mechanical retrieval and storage of memory from (cells of) a > > living, conscious human > > 2) Mechanical retrieval and storage of memory from a (recently) > > deceased human > > > > Michael R Mattys > > Mattys Consulting, LLC > > www.mattysconsulting.com > > > > > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Sat Oct 22 13:45:36 2011 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2011 14:45:36 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] It does my heart good Message-ID: <4EA30F50.8020903@colbyconsulting.com> What a hoot! have we ALL experienced this? http://techcrunch.com/2008/06/25/gates-sends-angry-e-mail-sounds-just-like-a-customer/ -- John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it From vbacreations at gmail.com Sat Oct 22 13:58:16 2011 From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson) Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2011 14:58:16 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] It does my heart good In-Reply-To: <4EA30F50.8020903@colbyconsulting.com> References: <4EA30F50.8020903@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: And he has a memory capable of knowing what he did and what the result was. I have lost that kind of recall and when I go thru stuff like that I just lose the day and don't really have a good accounting of why! B. Gates is a really smart man. Lucky to have so much together in life. I probably missed your pint john. :) On Oct 22, 2011 2:46 PM, "jwcolby" wrote: > What a hoot! have we ALL experienced this? > > http://techcrunch.com/2008/06/**25/gates-sends-angry-e-mail-** > sounds-just-like-a-customer/ > > -- > John W. Colby > Colby Consulting > > Reality is what refuses to go away > when you do not believe in it > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.**com > From vbacreations at gmail.com Sat Oct 22 13:59:09 2011 From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson) Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2011 14:59:09 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] It does my heart good In-Reply-To: References: <4EA30F50.8020903@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: Point. Pints I never miss! On Oct 22, 2011 2:58 PM, "William Benson" wrote: > And he has a memory capable of knowing what he did and what the result was. > I have lost that kind of recall and when I go thru stuff like that I just > lose the day and don't really have a good accounting of why! > > B. Gates is a really smart man. Lucky to have so much together in life. > > I probably missed your pint john. > > :) > On Oct 22, 2011 2:46 PM, "jwcolby" wrote: > >> What a hoot! have we ALL experienced this? >> >> http://techcrunch.com/2008/06/**25/gates-sends-angry-e-mail-** >> sounds-just-like-a-customer/ >> >> -- >> John W. Colby >> Colby Consulting >> >> Reality is what refuses to go away >> when you do not believe in it >> -- >> AccessD mailing list >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/accessd >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.**com >> > From michael at mattysconsulting.com Sat Oct 22 14:57:10 2011 From: michael at mattysconsulting.com (Michael Mattys) Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2011 15:57:10 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Memory: The Final Frontier In-Reply-To: References: <003101cc90d8$a3ff3950$ebfdabf0$@mattysconsulting.com> <003201cc90e6$69011c20$3b035460$@mattysconsulting.com> Message-ID: <003301cc90f4$ca403fd0$5ec0bf70$@mattysconsulting.com> I have explored many such avenues in regard to ALS and Parkinson's Disease. As filled with data as our databases are, making sense of it all is elusive. Michael R Mattys Mattys Consulting, LLC www.mattysconsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Benson Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2011 2:37 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Memory: The Final Frontier Sorry for co-opting your topic. Actually i am personally intersted in it because my own short term memory has been decaying. I have been looking for answrs as to why. I feel my personality has been changing too. Largely that i am more readily influenced by very new info rather than more established info. The symptoms are easily explained: older data is missing. And since I have not received any transplants lately I am thinking along the lines of toxins, or technological interference or food supply. As for your PS... no I think you may have missed my point. I was thinking in terms of LONG TERM storage of memories of pain/discomfort, neglect, fear,abuse, disease, and general anxiety that comes from not living life in a way compatible with the animals nature. I don't think the final stretch (slaughter and final thoughts) are recorded in the meat (of course it could be )... but if the premises in the article are valid and extrapolatable then the long term effects of the living conditions and being fed things contrary to the animals proper biological diet... things which "fatten" and make them grow their food yielding parts at the expense of proper function as nature intended could very well be something that changes us upon ingestion. Anyway I am no expert, but this article does make me think it is not all simple binary, but energy field driven. After all much thought has emotional components as well as facts. If poorly treated food supply is driving some of our own negativity then we benefit by being more humane. This would not be a hard test and I am going to recommend it to PETA or some organic farmers. Maybe it has already been done. For sure the big agribusiness and FDA would try to shut down the research. On Oct 22, 2011 2:15 PM, "Michael Mattys" wrote: > I was actually speaking toward the possibility of a far more 'personal' > personal computer, > that is, 'on-board' processing for memory-database access. > Very interesting point of view, though, William. > > Michael R Mattys > Mattys Consulting, LLC > www.mattysconsulting.com > > P.S. > > Of course, memory would have to affect some chemical change of the > animal prior to death and after death, as well as before, during, and > after meal preparation. I know I hate the 'gamey' > taste of adrenalin at all of those times. > > Perhaps there could also be a way devised to test animal memory to > determine their treatment. > A movie about dolphins comes to mind. > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William > Benson > Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2011 1:24 PM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Memory: The Final Frontier > > Transfer of memory maybe applies not only to living organ transplants > but food we eat. The animals raised very inhumanely may indirectly be > cause for a lot of suffering in our own lives. I am not a herbivore > but after seeing Food Inc. I do feel that the rise of so much need > for health care coincides with the mass production of meats. I have > begun insisting our household only buy naturally raised animal > products. I had not thought about it being some kind of cellular > information transfer but this article has me thinking now even more > along those lines. > > What a study that would make, a group of people who ate real "happy meals" > .... products from animals raised and slauggtered humanely versus > another group who ate the false "Happy MealsT". See which group > suffered more from depression over the course of a year. > On Oct 22, 2011 12:37 PM, "Michael Mattys" > > wrote: > > > It isn't Friday OT anymore, but let's call this forthcoming database > > technology ... > > > > http://www.viewzone.com/memorytest1.html > > > > Two things needed to even begin understanding brain, memory, and, > > finally, the human mind: > > > > 1) Mechanical retrieval and storage of memory from (cells of) a > > living, conscious human > > 2) Mechanical retrieval and storage of memory from a (recently) > > deceased human > > > > Michael R Mattys > > Mattys Consulting, LLC > > www.mattysconsulting.com > > > > > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Sat Oct 22 15:07:03 2011 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2011 13:07:03 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Memory: The Final Frontier In-Reply-To: <003201cc90e6$69011c20$3b035460$@mattysconsulting.com> References: <003101cc90d8$a3ff3950$ebfdabf0$@mattysconsulting.com> <003201cc90e6$69011c20$3b035460$@mattysconsulting.com> Message-ID: <49E6C7895FCE47D294E77505B2BD25D2@creativesystemdesigns.com> Why do you think I like personal computers so much...they are just an extension to my own limited memory and memory retrieval system. If you had photographic memory why bother with personal computers? ;-) Jim -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Michael Mattys Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2011 11:14 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Memory: The Final Frontier I was actually speaking toward the possibility of a far more 'personal' personal computer, that is, 'on-board' processing for memory-database access. Very interesting point of view, though, William. Michael R Mattys Mattys Consulting, LLC www.mattysconsulting.com P.S. Of course, memory would have to affect some chemical change of the animal prior to death and after death, as well as before, during, and after meal preparation. I know I hate the 'gamey' taste of adrenalin at all of those times. Perhaps there could also be a way devised to test animal memory to determine their treatment. A movie about dolphins comes to mind. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Benson Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2011 1:24 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Memory: The Final Frontier Transfer of memory maybe applies not only to living organ transplants but food we eat. The animals raised very inhumanely may indirectly be cause for a lot of suffering in our own lives. I am not a herbivore but after seeing Food Inc. I do feel that the rise of so much need for health care coincides with the mass production of meats. I have begun insisting our household only buy naturally raised animal products. I had not thought about it being some kind of cellular information transfer but this article has me thinking now even more along those lines. What a study that would make, a group of people who ate real "happy meals" .... products from animals raised and slauggtered humanely versus another group who ate the false "Happy MealsT". See which group suffered more from depression over the course of a year. On Oct 22, 2011 12:37 PM, "Michael Mattys" wrote: > It isn't Friday OT anymore, but let's call this forthcoming database > technology ... > > http://www.viewzone.com/memorytest1.html > > Two things needed to even begin understanding brain, memory, and, > finally, the human mind: > > 1) Mechanical retrieval and storage of memory from (cells of) a > living, conscious human > 2) Mechanical retrieval and storage of memory from a (recently) > deceased human > > Michael R Mattys > Mattys Consulting, LLC > www.mattysconsulting.com > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Sat Oct 22 15:19:31 2011 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2011 13:19:31 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Memory: The Final Frontier In-Reply-To: References: <003101cc90d8$a3ff3950$ebfdabf0$@mattysconsulting.com> <003201cc90e6$69011c20$3b035460$@mattysconsulting.com> Message-ID: It might be capacity. 64K memory does not go far these days...that much memory took the Voyager spacecrafts to the edge of the solar system. Now a days you will find you have to forget something before you will have room to remember something new...just like those craft. You are not just being more influenced, now, by new ideas because you would not be a programmer in the first place. Case in point, you jumped on the first PC you ran across...that is just a case of genetic early adopter syndrome, I believe. ;-) Jim -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Benson Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2011 11:37 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Memory: The Final Frontier Sorry for co-opting your topic. Actually i am personally intersted in it because my own short term memory has been decaying. I have been looking for answrs as to why. I feel my personality has been changing too. Largely that i am more readily influenced by very new info rather than more established info. The symptoms are easily explained: older data is missing. And since I have not received any transplants lately I am thinking along the lines of toxins, or technological interference or food supply. As for your PS... no I think you may have missed my point. I was thinking in terms of LONG TERM storage of memories of pain/discomfort, neglect, fear,abuse, disease, and general anxiety that comes from not living life in a way compatible with the animals nature. I don't think the final stretch (slaughter and final thoughts) are recorded in the meat (of course it could be )... but if the premises in the article are valid and extrapolatable then the long term effects of the living conditions and being fed things contrary to the animals proper biological diet... things which "fatten" and make them grow their food yielding parts at the expense of proper function as nature intended could very well be something that changes us upon ingestion. Anyway I am no expert, but this article does make me think it is not all simple binary, but energy field driven. After all much thought has emotional components as well as facts. If poorly treated food supply is driving some of our own negativity then we benefit by being more humane. This would not be a hard test and I am going to recommend it to PETA or some organic farmers. Maybe it has already been done. For sure the big agribusiness and FDA would try to shut down the research. On Oct 22, 2011 2:15 PM, "Michael Mattys" wrote: > I was actually speaking toward the possibility of a far more 'personal' > personal computer, > that is, 'on-board' processing for memory-database access. > Very interesting point of view, though, William. > > Michael R Mattys > Mattys Consulting, LLC > www.mattysconsulting.com > > P.S. > > Of course, memory would have to affect some chemical change of the animal > prior to death > and after death, as well as before, during, and after meal preparation. I > know I hate the 'gamey' > taste of adrenalin at all of those times. > > Perhaps there could also be a way devised to test animal memory to > determine > their treatment. > A movie about dolphins comes to mind. > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Benson > Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2011 1:24 PM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Memory: The Final Frontier > > Transfer of memory maybe applies not only to living organ transplants but > food we eat. The animals raised very inhumanely may indirectly be cause for > a lot of suffering in our own lives. I am not a herbivore but after seeing > Food Inc. I do feel that the rise of so much need for health care > coincides > with the mass production of meats. I have begun insisting our household > only > buy naturally raised animal products. I had not thought about it being some > kind of cellular information transfer but this article has me thinking now > even more along those lines. > > What a study that would make, a group of people who ate real "happy meals" > .... products from animals raised and slauggtered humanely versus another > group who ate the false "Happy MealsT". See which group suffered more from > depression over the course of a year. > On Oct 22, 2011 12:37 PM, "Michael Mattys" > wrote: > > > It isn't Friday OT anymore, but let's call this forthcoming database > > technology ... > > > > http://www.viewzone.com/memorytest1.html > > > > Two things needed to even begin understanding brain, memory, and, > > finally, the human mind: > > > > 1) Mechanical retrieval and storage of memory from (cells of) a > > living, conscious human > > 2) Mechanical retrieval and storage of memory from a (recently) > > deceased human > > > > Michael R Mattys > > Mattys Consulting, LLC > > www.mattysconsulting.com > > > > > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From marksimms at verizon.net Sat Oct 22 16:26:07 2011 From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms) Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2011 17:26:07 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Memory: The Final Frontier In-Reply-To: <003101cc90d8$a3ff3950$ebfdabf0$@mattysconsulting.com> References: <003101cc90d8$a3ff3950$ebfdabf0$@mattysconsulting.com> Message-ID: <000401cc9101$3658b600$a30a2200$@net> #1 definitely of huge value for getting the truth from lawyers. They are living, but I not sure they have a conscience....so it might not work ;) From marksimms at verizon.net Sun Oct 23 11:01:48 2011 From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms) Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2011 12:01:48 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] It does my heart good In-Reply-To: <4EA30F50.8020903@colbyconsulting.com> References: <4EA30F50.8020903@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <000601cc919d$12de8e10$389baa30$@net> He's a LOT like Steve Jobs. Not many people can drop down into the details as well as being visionaries. Not many at all. That's why they MADE THE BIG BUCKS. From tinanfields at torchlake.com Sun Oct 23 11:09:01 2011 From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields) Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2011 12:09:01 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] It does my heart good In-Reply-To: <4EA30F50.8020903@colbyconsulting.com> References: <4EA30F50.8020903@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <4EA43C1D.3070805@torchlake.com> Yeah, we have! It's great that Bill Gates tries to use the things we try to use and has the wherewithal to force the needed changes. The line that made me laugh the most was the one about not anticipating using the download page to actually download something. LOL! What DID they think one would use a download page for? T Tina Norris Fields tinanfields at torchlake.com 231-322-2787 On 10/22/2011 2:45 PM, jwcolby wrote: > What a hoot! have we ALL experienced this? > > http://techcrunch.com/2008/06/25/gates-sends-angry-e-mail-sounds-just-like-a-customer/ > > From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au Sun Oct 23 17:32:10 2011 From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins) Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2011 22:32:10 +0000 Subject: [AccessD] Memory: The Final Frontier In-Reply-To: References: <003101cc90d8$a3ff3950$ebfdabf0$@mattysconsulting.com> <003201cc90e6$69011c20$3b035460$@mattysconsulting.com> Message-ID: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55BC97F@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com> " because my own short term memory has been decaying. I have been looking for answrs as to why" There is a some evidence << http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/15/health/15memory.html?_r=1 >> and discussion that the internet and technology in general is doing this to many of us. Remember when you were a kid, how many phone numbers could you recall off the top of your head? I could do dozens of the buggers, now I am lucky to recall 3 or 4. This is not because the internet is evil, but rather I *don't* need to remember anymore as Google, my phone, my email etc does all the remembering for me. Go back a bit further in time and it was common for people to be able to recite entire books and stories by memory. The printing press put paid to that. It seems our brains are smart, but rather lazy (efficient? - I have always felt the line between the two is very thin indeed) and while the brain is quite capable of remarkable feats, it only does the effort if you have a need for it. There are ways to work on improving your memory - take up professional card counting at your local casino for example ;) Of course Bill, you could just be getting old. Seriously though, Maybe you should delete all the most commonly used phone numbers from you cell phone and try to remember them instead. Cheers Darryll -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Benson Sent: Sunday, 23 October 2011 5:37 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Memory: The Final Frontier Sorry for co-opting your topic. Actually i am personally intersted in it because my own short term memory has been decaying. I have been looking for answrs as to why. I feel my personality has been changing too. Largely that i am more readily influenced by very new info rather than more established info. The symptoms are easily explained: older data is missing. And since I have not received any transplants lately I am thinking along the lines of toxins, or technological interference or food supply. As for your PS... no I think you may have missed my point. I was thinking in terms of LONG TERM storage of memories of pain/discomfort, neglect, fear,abuse, disease, and general anxiety that comes from not living life in a way compatible with the animals nature. I don't think the final stretch (slaughter and final thoughts) are recorded in the meat (of course it could be )... but if the premises in the article are valid and extrapolatable then the long term effects of the living conditions and being fed things contrary to the animals proper biological diet... things which "fatten" and make them grow their food yielding parts at the expense of proper function as nature intended could very well be something that changes us upon ingestion. Anyway I am no expert, but this article does make me think it is not all simple binary, but energy field driven. After all much thought has emotional components as well as facts. If poorly treated food supply is driving some of our own negativity then we benefit by being more humane. This would not be a hard test and I am going to recommend it to PETA or some organic farmers. Maybe it has already been done. For sure the big agribusiness and FDA would try to shut down the research. On Oct 22, 2011 2:15 PM, "Michael Mattys" wrote: > I was actually speaking toward the possibility of a far more 'personal' > personal computer, > that is, 'on-board' processing for memory-database access. > Very interesting point of view, though, William. > > Michael R Mattys > Mattys Consulting, LLC > www.mattysconsulting.com > > P.S. > > Of course, memory would have to affect some chemical change of the animal > prior to death > and after death, as well as before, during, and after meal preparation. I > know I hate the 'gamey' > taste of adrenalin at all of those times. > > Perhaps there could also be a way devised to test animal memory to > determine > their treatment. > A movie about dolphins comes to mind. > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Benson > Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2011 1:24 PM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Memory: The Final Frontier > > Transfer of memory maybe applies not only to living organ transplants but > food we eat. The animals raised very inhumanely may indirectly be cause for > a lot of suffering in our own lives. I am not a herbivore but after seeing > Food Inc. I do feel that the rise of so much need for health care > coincides > with the mass production of meats. I have begun insisting our household > only > buy naturally raised animal products. I had not thought about it being some > kind of cellular information transfer but this article has me thinking now > even more along those lines. > > What a study that would make, a group of people who ate real "happy meals" > .... products from animals raised and slauggtered humanely versus another > group who ate the false "Happy MealsT". See which group suffered more from > depression over the course of a year. > On Oct 22, 2011 12:37 PM, "Michael Mattys" > wrote: > > > It isn't Friday OT anymore, but let's call this forthcoming database > > technology ... > > > > http://www.viewzone.com/memorytest1.html > > > > Two things needed to even begin understanding brain, memory, and, > > finally, the human mind: > > > > 1) Mechanical retrieval and storage of memory from (cells of) a > > living, conscious human > > 2) Mechanical retrieval and storage of memory from a (recently) > > deceased human > > > > Michael R Mattys > > Mattys Consulting, LLC > > www.mattysconsulting.com > > > > > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From vbacreations at gmail.com Sun Oct 23 21:17:19 2011 From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson (VBACreations.Com)) Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2011 22:17:19 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] AddNewRecord "Problem" Message-ID: <000e01cc91f3$0f6f13c0$2e4d3b40$@gmail.com> Accdb database, I am not too familiar with Ac2010. ... especially how Access creates embedded events and actions instead of normal vba code to handle standard record operations on a buttonclick such as New Record. So I am trying to use VBA. When I create a new record in the table, I want to validate that the info entered is not already in the table. I could probably do this in the BeforeInsert, but I am instead doing it on the button click. If the record is one which may be added I want to insert a record. I am doing this presently by setting a dao recordset equal to the form's recordsetclone, and then saying Rst.AddNew, and then populating a few fields which are not bound to controls, then using bookmark to bring the rest of the form (and the bound controls) up to date and position the form on the correct record. That part is clunky but working, but the problem is that the Current event is not firing. For that matter, the Addnew is not firing either. I know I can call those events with code, but I was wondering why this method is not causing Current to fire on its own when I set the form's bookmark equal to the recordset's bookmark? From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au Sun Oct 23 21:47:23 2011 From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins) Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 02:47:23 +0000 Subject: [AccessD] AddNewRecord "Problem" In-Reply-To: <000e01cc91f3$0f6f13c0$2e4d3b40$@gmail.com> References: <000e01cc91f3$0f6f13c0$2e4d3b40$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55BCBCF@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com> Bill, You can convert any of the new Macros to VBA code. Open the form in design view and use the Convert Form's Macro to Visual Basic command. I always do this now if I use a wizard thingo that writes a macro rather than VBA. " I want to validate that the info entered is not already in the table" Isn't this something you would manage at table level using indexes and/or keys? I would also suggest you use an unbound form as it is much easier to deal with these sorts of things as you can validate the data *before* it is written to the table. To do this you can call up a recordset against your form data and if the recordcount = 0 you know the record doesn't exist and can add it. Other advantage is the user can painlessly exit the form without saving - fast and easy. Of course the bound / unbound debate on this list get pretty heated from time to time and there are pros and cons to both approaches. Anyway, a bit hard to give you the best answer as I don't fully understand what your data set up is. Cheers Darryl. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Benson (VBACreations.Com) Sent: Monday, 24 October 2011 1:17 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: [AccessD] AddNewRecord "Problem" Accdb database, I am not too familiar with Ac2010. ... especially how Access creates embedded events and actions instead of normal vba code to handle standard record operations on a buttonclick such as New Record. So I am trying to use VBA. When I create a new record in the table, I want to validate that the info entered is not already in the table. I could probably do this in the BeforeInsert, but I am instead doing it on the button click. If the record is one which may be added I want to insert a record. I am doing this presently by setting a dao recordset equal to the form's recordsetclone, and then saying Rst.AddNew, and then populating a few fields which are not bound to controls, then using bookmark to bring the rest of the form (and the bound controls) up to date and position the form on the correct record. That part is clunky but working, but the problem is that the Current event is not firing. For that matter, the Addnew is not firing either. I know I can call those events with code, but I was wondering why this method is not causing Current to fire on its own when I set the form's bookmark equal to the recordset's bookmark? -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From darren at activebilling.com.au Sun Oct 23 22:07:52 2011 From: darren at activebilling.com.au (Darren - Active Billing) Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 14:07:52 +1100 Subject: [AccessD] AddNewRecord "Problem" In-Reply-To: <000e01cc91f3$0f6f13c0$2e4d3b40$@gmail.com> References: <000e01cc91f3$0f6f13c0$2e4d3b40$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <007701cc91fa$205562a0$610027e0$@activebilling.com.au> Hi William, I agree with Darryl, tricky to make a useful suggestion without know a bit more. Normally for this sort of stuff I do it in the Before Update and use a DCOUNT or DLOOKUP, depending on the info. Then, if the count is greater than one, or if the info exists, I present a message box and cancel the sub. Depending on what's being added, usually somewhere, there is something pertinent that can be caught in a simple Domain Lookup. You can have multi parameters in the DLOOKUP too, and if it's just one line or one record to 'test' (i.e. No Loops) then the speeds are fine in my experience. - e.g. (pseudo code for very simple application of adding a new record) If you are trying to insert an AccountNo that already exists then msgbox the error and exit intNoOfAccounts = DCount("[AccountNo]", "tblAccounts", " AccountNo = " & Forms!frmSomeForm!txtSometextBox & " and IsCurrent = -1") if intNoOfAccounts>=1 then Msgbox "Something here about there already being an active AccountNo of " & Forms!frmSomeForm!txtSometextBox Cancel = true Else ''bat on - good to go Exit sub (Yes, I know you will all say that 'AccountNo' should be an indexed field blah blah blah, - I agree - this is just for demonstration) Hope this helps Darren -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Benson (VBACreations.Com) Sent: Monday, 24 October 2011 1:17 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: [AccessD] AddNewRecord "Problem" Accdb database, I am not too familiar with Ac2010. ... especially how Access creates embedded events and actions instead of normal vba code to handle standard record operations on a buttonclick such as New Record. So I am trying to use VBA. When I create a new record in the table, I want to validate that the info entered is not already in the table. I could probably do this in the BeforeInsert, but I am instead doing it on the button click. If the record is one which may be added I want to insert a record. I am doing this presently by setting a dao recordset equal to the form's recordsetclone, and then saying Rst.AddNew, and then populating a few fields which are not bound to controls, then using bookmark to bring the rest of the form (and the bound controls) up to date and position the form on the correct record. That part is clunky but working, but the problem is that the Current event is not firing. For that matter, the Addnew is not firing either. I know I can call those events with code, but I was wondering why this method is not causing Current to fire on its own when I set the form's bookmark equal to the recordset's bookmark? -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Sun Oct 23 22:22:31 2011 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2011 20:22:31 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] AddNewRecord "Problem" In-Reply-To: <000e01cc91f3$0f6f13c0$2e4d3b40$@gmail.com> References: <000e01cc91f3$0f6f13c0$2e4d3b40$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Are you using an autonumber PK? Any other fields indexed-no duplicates? How will you determine if the info is already in the table? What fields? Will those fields still be empty at the time of the Before Insert event? Rocky -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Benson (VBACreations.Com) Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2011 7:17 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: [AccessD] AddNewRecord "Problem" Accdb database, I am not too familiar with Ac2010. ... especially how Access creates embedded events and actions instead of normal vba code to handle standard record operations on a buttonclick such as New Record. So I am trying to use VBA. When I create a new record in the table, I want to validate that the info entered is not already in the table. I could probably do this in the BeforeInsert, but I am instead doing it on the button click. If the record is one which may be added I want to insert a record. I am doing this presently by setting a dao recordset equal to the form's recordsetclone, and then saying Rst.AddNew, and then populating a few fields which are not bound to controls, then using bookmark to bring the rest of the form (and the bound controls) up to date and position the form on the correct record. That part is clunky but working, but the problem is that the Current event is not firing. For that matter, the Addnew is not firing either. I know I can call those events with code, but I was wondering why this method is not causing Current to fire on its own when I set the form's bookmark equal to the recordset's bookmark? -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From vbacreations at gmail.com Sun Oct 23 22:41:05 2011 From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson) Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2011 23:41:05 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] AddNewRecord "Problem" In-Reply-To: References: <000e01cc91f3$0f6f13c0$2e4d3b40$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Yes to pk, it is simply [Id] Userid is indexed, required, no dupes allowed. I cant remember if i used dlookup ("[userid]='" & txtuserid &"'") or an inline SQL to check if txtuserid is already in the table or not. This for is working perfectly but I had a question about current not being fired after using bookmark On Oct 23, 2011 11:24 PM, "Rocky Smolin" wrote: > Are you using an autonumber PK? Any other fields indexed-no duplicates? > > How will you determine if the info is already in the table? What fields? > Will those fields still be empty at the time of the Before Insert event? > > Rocky > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Benson > (VBACreations.Com) > Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2011 7:17 PM > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > Subject: [AccessD] AddNewRecord "Problem" > > Accdb database, I am not too familiar with Ac2010. > > ... especially how Access creates embedded events and actions instead of > normal vba code to handle standard record operations on a buttonclick such > as New Record. So I am trying to use VBA. > > When I create a new record in the table, I want to validate that the info > entered is not already in the table. I could probably do this in the > BeforeInsert, but I am instead doing it on the button click. > > If the record is one which may be added I want to insert a record. I am > doing this presently by setting a dao recordset equal to the form's > recordsetclone, and then saying Rst.AddNew, and then populating a few > fields > which are not bound to controls, then using bookmark to bring the rest of > the form (and the bound controls) up to date and position the form on the > correct record. > > That part is clunky but working, but the problem is that the Current event > is not firing. For that matter, the Addnew is not firing either. > > I know I can call those events with code, but I was wondering why this > method is not causing Current to fire on its own when I set the form's > bookmark equal to the recordset's bookmark? > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From marksimms at verizon.net Mon Oct 24 09:57:08 2011 From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms) Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 10:57:08 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] AddNewRecord "Problem" In-Reply-To: <000e01cc91f3$0f6f13c0$2e4d3b40$@gmail.com> References: <000e01cc91f3$0f6f13c0$2e4d3b40$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <006201cc925d$34150b70$9c3f2250$@net> Can someone explain exactly what are the new "em" events supposed to do ? From rusty.hammond at cpiqpc.com Mon Oct 24 10:17:55 2011 From: rusty.hammond at cpiqpc.com (Rusty Hammond) Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 10:17:55 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Any Access add-ins to put app on mobile devices? Message-ID: <49A286ABF515E94A8505CD14DEB721701744A259@CPIEMAIL-EVS1.CPIQPC.NET> I came across an article about an add-in for Filemaker Pro (called FileMaker Go) that will allow you to develop an application in Filemaker on your Mac or PC, then port that application to an iOS application ready to run on your iPhone and/or iPad. Pretty slick and I've even seen a mobile work order dispatch application developed using the set-up. An electrician is using it to send out work orders to his crews. He put iPads in each of his trucks. Has anyone come across one that would port an Access app to either iOS, Android, or maybe even Windows Mobile??? Rusty Hammond ********************************************************************** WARNING: All e-mail sent to and from this address will be received, scanned or otherwise recorded by the CPI Qualified Plan Consultants, Inc. corporate e-mail system and is subject to archival, monitoring or review by, and/or disclosure to, someone other than the recipient. ********************************************************************** From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Mon Oct 24 10:50:01 2011 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 08:50:01 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] http://projecteuler.net/ Message-ID: <127FD82F51494E1D90034BCDA1AB8FFF@HAL9007> If you've got some time on your hands - couldn't get Noah to go to bed last night - he wanted to solve 'just one more'. Now we're going to have a contest to see who can solve a problem with the least number of lines of code. I think I have a distinct advantage using VBA to his C++ or LUA R _____ From: Noah Sutton-Smolin [mailto:heedleblambeedle at gmail.com] Sent: Monday, October 24, 2011 7:41 AM To: Rocky Smolin Subject: http://projecteuler.net/ http://projecteuler.net/ _______________________________________________ dba-OT mailing list dba-OT at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-ot Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From charlotte.foust at gmail.com Mon Oct 24 10:58:23 2011 From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust) Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 08:58:23 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Any Access add-ins to put app on mobile devices? In-Reply-To: <49A286ABF515E94A8505CD14DEB721701744A259@CPIEMAIL-EVS1.CPIQPC.NET> References: <49A286ABF515E94A8505CD14DEB721701744A259@CPIEMAIL-EVS1.CPIQPC.NET> Message-ID: Nope, although Cellica Database will run on both Windows and Android and allows you to connect to an Access database. It's a pain to create the forms though because it automatically scales the form to the screen of your phone Charlotte Foust On Mon, Oct 24, 2011 at 8:17 AM, Rusty Hammond wrote: > I came across an article about an add-in for Filemaker Pro (called > FileMaker Go) that will allow you to develop an application in Filemaker > on your Mac or PC, then port that application to an iOS application > ready to run on your iPhone and/or iPad. Pretty slick and I've even > seen a mobile work order dispatch application developed using the > set-up. An electrician is using it to send out work orders to his > crews. He put iPads in each of his trucks. > > Has anyone come across one that would port an Access app to either iOS, > Android, or maybe even Windows Mobile??? > > > Rusty Hammond > > > > ********************************************************************** > WARNING: All e-mail sent to and from this address will be received, > scanned or otherwise recorded by the CPI Qualified Plan Consultants, Inc. > corporate e-mail system and is subject to archival, monitoring or review > by, and/or disclosure to, someone other than the recipient. > ********************************************************************** > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > From davidmcafee at gmail.com Mon Oct 24 12:14:35 2011 From: davidmcafee at gmail.com (David McAfee) Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 10:14:35 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Any Access add-ins to put app on mobile devices? In-Reply-To: References: <49A286ABF515E94A8505CD14DEB721701744A259@CPIEMAIL-EVS1.CPIQPC.NET> Message-ID: Up through Windows Mobile 2003 (Maybe even in WM5, I can't remember at the moment) you could have CDB (Compact version of mdb) on devices. I was very easy to bring data back and forth between device and PC. cdb's were deprecated by MS when they brought out SDFs (SQLCE). You could still connect with ADO and copy stuff between the SDF and mdbs or SQL Server. SQL CE was supported by WM5/6. MS dropped support for this when they released WM7. I dropped support for MS after that :P I'm currently learning Android Development and plan to start learning Apple programming next semester. At least they both share SQLLite. On Mon, Oct 24, 2011 at 8:58 AM, Charlotte Foust wrote: > Nope, although Cellica Database will run on both Windows and Android and > allows you to connect to an Access database. It's a pain to create the > forms though because it automatically scales the form to the screen of your > phone > > Charlotte Foust > > On Mon, Oct 24, 2011 at 8:17 AM, Rusty Hammond >wrote: > > > I came across an article about an add-in for Filemaker Pro (called > > FileMaker Go) that will allow you to develop an application in Filemaker > > on your Mac or PC, then port that application to an iOS application > > ready to run on your iPhone and/or iPad. Pretty slick and I've even > > seen a mobile work order dispatch application developed using the > > set-up. An electrician is using it to send out work orders to his > > crews. He put iPads in each of his trucks. > > > > Has anyone come across one that would port an Access app to either iOS, > > Android, or maybe even Windows Mobile??? > > > > > > Rusty Hammond > > > > > > > > ********************************************************************** > > WARNING: All e-mail sent to and from this address will be received, > > scanned or otherwise recorded by the CPI Qualified Plan Consultants, Inc. > > corporate e-mail system and is subject to archival, monitoring or review > > by, and/or disclosure to, someone other than the recipient. > > ********************************************************************** > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > > > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From rusty.hammond at cpiqpc.com Mon Oct 24 12:30:12 2011 From: rusty.hammond at cpiqpc.com (Rusty Hammond) Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 12:30:12 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Any Access add-ins to put app on mobile devices? In-Reply-To: References: <49A286ABF515E94A8505CD14DEB721701744A259@CPIEMAIL-EVS1.CPIQPC.NET> Message-ID: <49A286ABF515E94A8505CD14DEB721701744A25D@CPIEMAIL-EVS1.CPIQPC.NET> The FileMaker Go app is able to tie back into a FileMaker server via a network and/or internet connection so it will sync as long as you have an internet connection and your firewall setup correctly. Looks to me like Microsoft is pushing more towards using Sharepoint for this kind of stuff. Using the browser in the mobile device. That's not a bad idea, that way there's no app to install and maintain for each mobile os. I gotta find me some more hours in the day to learn all of this stuff. Rusty -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of David McAfee Sent: Monday, October 24, 2011 12:15 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Any Access add-ins to put app on mobile devices? Up through Windows Mobile 2003 (Maybe even in WM5, I can't remember at the moment) you could have CDB (Compact version of mdb) on devices. I was very easy to bring data back and forth between device and PC. cdb's were deprecated by MS when they brought out SDFs (SQLCE). You could still connect with ADO and copy stuff between the SDF and mdbs or SQL Server. SQL CE was supported by WM5/6. MS dropped support for this when they released WM7. I dropped support for MS after that :P I'm currently learning Android Development and plan to start learning Apple programming next semester. At least they both share SQLLite. On Mon, Oct 24, 2011 at 8:58 AM, Charlotte Foust wrote: > Nope, although Cellica Database will run on both Windows and Android > and allows you to connect to an Access database. It's a pain to > create the forms though because it automatically scales the form to > the screen of your phone > > Charlotte Foust > > On Mon, Oct 24, 2011 at 8:17 AM, Rusty Hammond > >wrote: > > > I came across an article about an add-in for Filemaker Pro (called > > FileMaker Go) that will allow you to develop an application in > > Filemaker on your Mac or PC, then port that application to an iOS > > application ready to run on your iPhone and/or iPad. Pretty slick > > and I've even seen a mobile work order dispatch application > > developed using the set-up. An electrician is using it to send out > > work orders to his crews. He put iPads in each of his trucks. > > > > Has anyone come across one that would port an Access app to either > > iOS, Android, or maybe even Windows Mobile??? > > > > > > Rusty Hammond > > > > > > > > ******************************************************************** > > ** > > WARNING: All e-mail sent to and from this address will be received, > > scanned or otherwise recorded by the CPI Qualified Plan Consultants, Inc. > > corporate e-mail system and is subject to archival, monitoring or > > review by, and/or disclosure to, someone other than the recipient. > > ******************************************************************** > > ** > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > > > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com ********************************************************************** WARNING: All e-mail sent to and from this address will be received, scanned or otherwise recorded by the CPI Qualified Plan Consultants, Inc. corporate e-mail system and is subject to archival, monitoring or review by, and/or disclosure to, someone other than the recipient. ********************************************************************** From vbacreations at gmail.com Mon Oct 24 13:23:39 2011 From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson (VBACreations.Com)) Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 14:23:39 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] You cannot record your changes because... Message-ID: <003301cc927a$157ada60$40708f20$@gmail.com> I have a form with a data sheet subform. On the current event of the subform, the values from some of the fields in the data sheet subform are put into the unbound controls on the parent form. This was working fine now all of a sudden the form won't open, I get a message "You cannot record your changes because a value you entered violates the settings defined for this table or list (for example, a value is less than the minimum or greater than the maximum). Correct the error and try again. Now, as far as I know I have no validation settings of this kind, and the table which the subform is based on is a linked table (Excel range). Does someone have some suggestions for what is possibly causing this? From vbacreations at gmail.com Mon Oct 24 13:29:54 2011 From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson (VBACreations.Com)) Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 14:29:54 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] You cannot record your changes because... Message-ID: <003401cc927a$ed8fa020$c8aee060$@gmail.com> The worst past of this is that I get the same error just testing a field on the subform: Me.Control("Postal_Code").value I suspect that the underlying record has a value of #NUM after a field failed to import all data correctly. So I guess maybe if I destroy all the #NUM values in the data the subform which is based on that table might stop failing... I will try and report back. -----Original Message----- From: William Benson (VBACreations.Com) [mailto:vbacreations at gmail.com] Sent: Monday, October 24, 2011 2:24 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: You cannot record your changes because... I have a form with a data sheet subform. On the current event of the subform, the values from some of the fields in the data sheet subform are put into the unbound controls on the parent form. This was working fine now all of a sudden the form won't open, I get a message "You cannot record your changes because a value you entered violates the settings defined for this table or list (for example, a value is less than the minimum or greater than the maximum). Correct the error and try again. Now, as far as I know I have no validation settings of this kind, and the table which the subform is based on is a linked table (Excel range). Does someone have some suggestions for what is possibly causing this? From vbacreations at gmail.com Mon Oct 24 13:31:50 2011 From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson (VBACreations.Com)) Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 14:31:50 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] You cannot record your changes because... Message-ID: <003501cc927b$359658a0$a0c309e0$@gmail.com> Oh, did I say that was the worst part ...? lol. The underlying table is a linked excel file so I don't think there is anything I can do about it?!! -----Original Message----- From: William Benson (VBACreations.Com) [mailto:vbacreations at gmail.com] Sent: Monday, October 24, 2011 2:30 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: RE: You cannot record your changes because... The worst past of this is that I get the same error just testing a field on the subform: Me.Control("Postal_Code").value I suspect that the underlying record has a value of #NUM after a field failed to import all data correctly. So I guess maybe if I destroy all the #NUM values in the data the subform which is based on that table might stop failing... I will try and report back. -----Original Message----- From: William Benson (VBACreations.Com) [mailto:vbacreations at gmail.com] Sent: Monday, October 24, 2011 2:24 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: You cannot record your changes because... I have a form with a data sheet subform. On the current event of the subform, the values from some of the fields in the data sheet subform are put into the unbound controls on the parent form. This was working fine now all of a sudden the form won't open, I get a message "You cannot record your changes because a value you entered violates the settings defined for this table or list (for example, a value is less than the minimum or greater than the maximum). Correct the error and try again. Now, as far as I know I have no validation settings of this kind, and the table which the subform is based on is a linked table (Excel range). Does someone have some suggestions for what is possibly causing this? From marksimms at verizon.net Mon Oct 24 15:25:24 2011 From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms) Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 16:25:24 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] You cannot record your changes because... In-Reply-To: <003501cc927b$359658a0$a0c309e0$@gmail.com> References: <003501cc927b$359658a0$a0c309e0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <003d01cc928b$0fdc0a50$2f941ef0$@net> As you are aware, Excel employs the Variant data structure.....which allows any cell to be a long, string, date, double, boolean, etc. Converting your columns to strings may be a crude workaround, but of course, this creates other issues as well. > Oh, did I say that was the worst part ...? lol. The underlying table is > a linked excel file so I don't think there is anything I can do about it?!! From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au Mon Oct 24 17:45:12 2011 From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins) Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 22:45:12 +0000 Subject: [AccessD] Any Access add-ins to put app on mobile devices? In-Reply-To: <49A286ABF515E94A8505CD14DEB721701744A25D@CPIEMAIL-EVS1.CPIQPC.NET> References: <49A286ABF515E94A8505CD14DEB721701744A259@CPIEMAIL-EVS1.CPIQPC.NET> <49A286ABF515E94A8505CD14DEB721701744A25D@CPIEMAIL-EVS1.CPIQPC.NET> Message-ID: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55BCFFB@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com> I have set up Office 365 for my wife's small business operation - a team of about 8 people working in 2 locations plus from home and on the road. They had the usual system of craziness, multiple versions of spreadsheets, word docs everywhere - terrible version control - stuff on USB sticks - multiple copies of the database - blah blah, everyone with their own gmail or yahoo emails - just a big mess. Frankly Office 365 has been bloody brilliant. I especially love the advantage of having an Outlook exchange server via the web plus all the sharepoint stuff online. All for a small monthly fee of about $7 per user. Having the ability to organise meetings and share calendars has been great for her team. All their common database info (as Sharepoint lists now) is live and online and if one of them updates info it is immediately available to all. Best of all they can access it thru any web brower. Might not suit everyone but it has been great as the girls don't need to purchase any new software or equipment to make this work, although having Office 2010 installed on your PC raises the game to a whole new level again. They also love the Lync IM tool, which allows desktop sharing for meetings etc, plus chat and IM. Works really well. So far darn happy with the set up. Maybe not for everyone, but for her it has been great. She has neither the money, time or experience to host a dedicated server for this sort of thing so it has provided her with some real and tangible benefits. Heh, I sound like an advert I know, but credit where it is due - MS have done a good job on this. For people like Monica and her set up this sort thing is just ideal and she gets a lot of bang for her buck and it is easy for the users to understand and use. Cheers Darryl. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rusty Hammond Sent: Tuesday, 25 October 2011 4:30 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Any Access add-ins to put app on mobile devices? The FileMaker Go app is able to tie back into a FileMaker server via a network and/or internet connection so it will sync as long as you have an internet connection and your firewall setup correctly. Looks to me like Microsoft is pushing more towards using Sharepoint for this kind of stuff. Using the browser in the mobile device. That's not a bad idea, that way there's no app to install and maintain for each mobile os. I gotta find me some more hours in the day to learn all of this stuff. Rusty -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of David McAfee Sent: Monday, October 24, 2011 12:15 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Any Access add-ins to put app on mobile devices? Up through Windows Mobile 2003 (Maybe even in WM5, I can't remember at the moment) you could have CDB (Compact version of mdb) on devices. I was very easy to bring data back and forth between device and PC. cdb's were deprecated by MS when they brought out SDFs (SQLCE). You could still connect with ADO and copy stuff between the SDF and mdbs or SQL Server. SQL CE was supported by WM5/6. MS dropped support for this when they released WM7. I dropped support for MS after that :P I'm currently learning Android Development and plan to start learning Apple programming next semester. At least they both share SQLLite. On Mon, Oct 24, 2011 at 8:58 AM, Charlotte Foust wrote: > Nope, although Cellica Database will run on both Windows and Android > and allows you to connect to an Access database. It's a pain to > create the forms though because it automatically scales the form to > the screen of your phone > > Charlotte Foust > > On Mon, Oct 24, 2011 at 8:17 AM, Rusty Hammond > >wrote: > > > I came across an article about an add-in for Filemaker Pro (called > > FileMaker Go) that will allow you to develop an application in > > Filemaker on your Mac or PC, then port that application to an iOS > > application ready to run on your iPhone and/or iPad. Pretty slick > > and I've even seen a mobile work order dispatch application > > developed using the set-up. An electrician is using it to send out > > work orders to his crews. He put iPads in each of his trucks. > > > > Has anyone come across one that would port an Access app to either > > iOS, Android, or maybe even Windows Mobile??? > > > > > > Rusty Hammond > > > > > > > > ******************************************************************** > > ** > > WARNING: All e-mail sent to and from this address will be received, > > scanned or otherwise recorded by the CPI Qualified Plan Consultants, Inc. > > corporate e-mail system and is subject to archival, monitoring or > > review by, and/or disclosure to, someone other than the recipient. > > ******************************************************************** > > ** > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > > > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com ********************************************************************** WARNING: All e-mail sent to and from this address will be received, scanned or otherwise recorded by the CPI Qualified Plan Consultants, Inc. corporate e-mail system and is subject to archival, monitoring or review by, and/or disclosure to, someone other than the recipient. ********************************************************************** -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From vbacreations at gmail.com Mon Oct 24 17:57:56 2011 From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson) Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 18:57:56 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] You cannot record your changes because... In-Reply-To: <003d01cc928b$0fdc0a50$2f941ef0$@net> References: <003501cc927b$359658a0$a0c309e0$@gmail.com> <003d01cc928b$0fdc0a50$2f941ef0$@net> Message-ID: Fortunately I only need to set a couple text fields so I just tested iserror([fieldname]) as a workaround and used value property of the control holding the data only if that test was false. Thanks Mark. On Oct 24, 2011 4:27 PM, "Mark Simms" wrote: > As you are aware, Excel employs the Variant data structure.....which allows > any cell to be a long, string, date, double, boolean, etc. Converting your > columns to strings may be a crude workaround, but of course, this creates > other issues as well. > > > > Oh, did I say that was the worst part ...? lol. The underlying table is > > a linked excel file so I don't think there is anything I can do about > it?!! > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Mon Oct 24 21:32:47 2011 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 22:32:47 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] DRAM errors and ECC Message-ID: <4EA61FCF.10203@colbyconsulting.com> http://www.cs.toronto.edu/~bianca/papers/sigmetrics09.pdf -- John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it From kvanhuss at airrsystem.com Mon Oct 24 22:13:16 2011 From: kvanhuss at airrsystem.com (Kenneth W Van Huss) Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 22:13:16 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Comparing times in different time zones Message-ID: I have an unmet challenge relating to comparing times in different time zones. User on the other side of the world, literally enters time of an event. When the user saves the record in the database that time is captured, though the time is the server time, located in US central time zone. Using UTC offset I have "normalized" the times to UTC to compare against one another to ensure the record was entered within a certain amount of time. The challenge I see down the road is Day Light Savings time and the impact that will have on the offset. Anyone experience this before? Thanks! Ken From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au Mon Oct 24 22:27:19 2011 From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins) Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 03:27:19 +0000 Subject: [AccessD] Comparing times in different time zones In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55BEA60@SINPRD0402MB102.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com> Bloody hell Ken, That is going to be a struggle to get right given all the Local time zones you are going to need to deal with. Just in Oz alone it is a mess with some states on Daylight saving time and other states ignore it. This leads to stupid situations where you will have two cities in the same zone being 1 hour apart. I am sure Australia doesn't have a monopoly on this sort of weirdness. I deal a lot with Asia and the US and Africa these days so I use this website <> to keep track of different times, maybe it can help you out? I guess it depends on where you are grabbing the offset from and if it is automatically updated or not? -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kenneth W Van Huss Sent: Tuesday, 25 October 2011 2:13 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: [AccessD] Comparing times in different time zones I have an unmet challenge relating to comparing times in different time zones. User on the other side of the world, literally enters time of an event. When the user saves the record in the database that time is captured, though the time is the server time, located in US central time zone. Using UTC offset I have "normalized" the times to UTC to compare against one another to ensure the record was entered within a certain amount of time. The challenge I see down the road is Day Light Savings time and the impact that will have on the offset. Anyone experience this before? Thanks! Ken -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Mon Oct 24 23:13:26 2011 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 14:13:26 +1000 Subject: [AccessD] Comparing times in different time zones In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4EA63766.11598.183CF3CF@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> You need to store all the times as FileTime or Unix Time. Storing as FileTime lets you use the API calls FileTimeToSystemTime SystemTimeToTzSpecificLocalTime SystemTimeToFileTime to get local times as required. If you want to use UnixTime instead, then UnixTime = FileTime/10000000 - 11644473600 -- Stuart On 24 Oct 2011 at 22:13, Kenneth W Van Huss wrote: > I have an unmet challenge relating to comparing times in different > time zones. User on the other side of the world, literally enters > time of an event. When the user saves the record in the database that > time is captured, though the time is the server time, located in US > central time zone. Using UTC offset I have "normalized" the times to > UTC to compare against one another to ensure the record was entered > within a certain amount of time. The challenge I see down the road is > Day Light Savings time and the impact that will have on the offset. > Anyone experience this before? > > > > Thanks! > > Ken > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From kvanhuss at airrsystem.com Mon Oct 24 23:25:34 2011 From: kvanhuss at airrsystem.com (Kenneth Van Huss) Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 04:25:34 +0000 Subject: [AccessD] Comparing times in different time zones In-Reply-To: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55BEA60@SINPRD0402MB102.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com> References: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55BEA60@SINPRD0402MB102.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com> Message-ID: <997259757-1319516763-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-236620887-@b2.c7.bise6.blackberry> If captain Kirk could have a univerdal "stardate" surely we have one universal time that could be used here on our planet. Sent on the Sprint? 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Your cooperation is appreciated.==================================================================In consideration of the environment ? please do not print this emailunless absolutely necessary. -----Original Message----- From: Darryl Collins Sender: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.comDate: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 03:27:19 To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Comparing times in different time zones Bloody hell Ken, That is going to be a struggle to get right given all the Local time zones you are going to need to deal with. Just in Oz alone it is a mess with some states on Daylight saving time and other states ignore it. This leads to stupid situations where you will have two cities in the same zone being 1 hour apart. I am sure Australia doesn't have a monopoly on this sort of weirdness. I deal a lot with Asia and the US and Africa these days so I use this website <> to keep track of different times, maybe it can help you out? I guess it depends on where you are grabbing the offset from and if it is automatically updated or not? -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kenneth W Van Huss Sent: Tuesday, 25 October 2011 2:13 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: [AccessD] Comparing times in different time zones I have an unmet challenge relating to comparing times in different time zones. User on the other side of the world, literally enters time of an event. When the user saves the record in the database that time is captured, though the time is the server time, located in US central time zone. Using UTC offset I have "normalized" the times to UTC to compare against one another to ensure the record was entered within a certain amount of time. The challenge I see down the road is Day Light Savings time and the impact that will have on the offset. Anyone experience this before? Thanks! Ken -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From kvanhuss at airrsystem.com Mon Oct 24 23:37:23 2011 From: kvanhuss at airrsystem.com (Kenneth W Van Huss) Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 23:37:23 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Comparing times in different time zones In-Reply-To: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55BEA60@SINPRD0402MB102.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com> References: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55BEA60@SINPRD0402MB102.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com> Message-ID: I found a table, but don't recall where, that has the offset for all the countries with which I am currently dealing. I added a field to the location table that includes the UTC Offset. So for Iraq, I take the local time and convert it to UTC/GMT using the offset in the location table. I take the server time, US Central, and convert it to UTC/GMT. Now I can compare the time of the event against the time it was entered into the database. So right now as we write, the comparison is fine. But it will become a maintenance nightmare on an ongoing basis, I think because these offsets change depending on time of year and Daylight Savings Time. Keeping in synch will be a real challenge. What happens for example if an event occurs the morning of transition to or from DST in a time zone that just changed, and we need to compare it against server time 8 time zones away, which has not yet switched to DST. I guess I can't see the forest for the trees right now and need some clarity. Any ideas are greatly appreciated. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darryl Collins Sent: Monday, October 24, 2011 10:27 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Comparing times in different time zones Bloody hell Ken, That is going to be a struggle to get right given all the Local time zones you are going to need to deal with. Just in Oz alone it is a mess with some states on Daylight saving time and other states ignore it. This leads to stupid situations where you will have two cities in the same zone being 1 hour apart. I am sure Australia doesn't have a monopoly on this sort of weirdness. I deal a lot with Asia and the US and Africa these days so I use this website <> to keep track of different times, maybe it can help you out? I guess it depends on where you are grabbing the offset from and if it is automatically updated or not? -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kenneth W Van Huss Sent: Tuesday, 25 October 2011 2:13 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: [AccessD] Comparing times in different time zones I have an unmet challenge relating to comparing times in different time zones. User on the other side of the world, literally enters time of an event. When the user saves the record in the database that time is captured, though the time is the server time, located in US central time zone. Using UTC offset I have "normalized" the times to UTC to compare against one another to ensure the record was entered within a certain amount of time. The challenge I see down the road is Day Light Savings time and the impact that will have on the offset. Anyone experience this before? Thanks! Ken -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From kvanhuss at airrsystem.com Mon Oct 24 23:39:15 2011 From: kvanhuss at airrsystem.com (Kenneth W Van Huss) Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 23:39:15 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Comparing times in different time zones In-Reply-To: <4EA63766.11598.183CF3CF@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: <4EA63766.11598.183CF3CF@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: Stuart, Thanks. That is what I need. I will research and see how to apply. Ken -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan Sent: Monday, October 24, 2011 11:13 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Comparing times in different time zones You need to store all the times as FileTime or Unix Time. Storing as FileTime lets you use the API calls FileTimeToSystemTime SystemTimeToTzSpecificLocalTime SystemTimeToFileTime to get local times as required. If you want to use UnixTime instead, then UnixTime = FileTime/10000000 - 11644473600 -- Stuart On 24 Oct 2011 at 22:13, Kenneth W Van Huss wrote: > I have an unmet challenge relating to comparing times in different > time zones. User on the other side of the world, literally enters > time of an event. When the user saves the record in the database that > time is captured, though the time is the server time, located in US > central time zone. Using UTC offset I have "normalized" the times to > UTC to compare against one another to ensure the record was entered > within a certain amount of time. The challenge I see down the road is > Day Light Savings time and the impact that will have on the offset. > Anyone experience this before? > > > > Thanks! > > Ken > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Mon Oct 24 23:41:38 2011 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 14:41:38 +1000 Subject: [AccessD] Comparing times in different time zones In-Reply-To: <997259757-1319516763-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-236620887-@b2.c7.bise6.blackberry> Message-ID: <4EA63E02.5085.8111F@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> We have, it's called UTC aka Co-ordinated Universal Time -- Stuart On 25 Oct 2011 at 4:25, Kenneth Van Huss wrote: > If captain Kirk could have a univerdal "stardate" surely we have one > universal time that could be used here on our planet. > From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Mon Oct 24 23:44:51 2011 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 14:44:51 +1000 Subject: [AccessD] Comparing times in different time zones In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <4EA63EC3.27953.B01C4@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> How are these times being entered into the database? Can't you convert the local time to UTC before saving? The computer where the data is being entered always knows its current offset from UTC. -- Stuart On 24 Oct 2011 at 23:37, Kenneth W Van Huss wrote: > I found a table, but don't recall where, that has the offset for all > the countries with which I am currently dealing. I added a field to > the location table that includes the UTC Offset. So for Iraq, I take > the local time and convert it to UTC/GMT using the offset in the > location table. I take the server time, US Central, and convert it to > UTC/GMT. Now I can compare the time of the event against the time it > was entered into the database. So right now as we write, the > comparison is fine. > > But it will become a maintenance nightmare on an ongoing basis, I > think because these offsets change depending on time of year and > Daylight Savings Time. Keeping in synch will be a real challenge. > What happens for example if an event occurs the morning of transition > to or from DST in a time zone that just changed, and we need to > compare it against server time 8 time zones away, which has not yet > switched to DST. > > I guess I can't see the forest for the trees right now and need some > clarity. Any ideas are greatly appreciated. > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darryl > Collins Sent: Monday, October 24, 2011 10:27 PM To: Access Developers > discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Comparing times > in different time zones > > Bloody hell Ken, > > That is going to be a struggle to get right given all the Local time > zones you are going to need to deal with. Just in Oz alone it is a > mess with some states on Daylight saving time and other states ignore > it. This leads to stupid situations where you will have two cities in > the same zone being 1 hour apart. > > I am sure Australia doesn't have a monopoly on this sort of weirdness. > > I deal a lot with Asia and the US and Africa these days so I use this > website <> to keep track of > different times, maybe it can help you out? > > I guess it depends on where you are grabbing the offset from and if it > is automatically updated or not? > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kenneth W > Van Huss Sent: Tuesday, 25 October 2011 2:13 PM To: Access Developers > discussion and problem solving Subject: [AccessD] Comparing times in > different time zones > > I have an unmet challenge relating to comparing times in different > time zones. User on the other side of the world, literally enters > time of an event. When the user saves the record in the database that > time is captured, though the time is the server time, located in US > central time zone. Using UTC offset I have "normalized" the times to > UTC to compare against one another to ensure the record was entered > within a certain amount of time. The challenge I see down the road is > Day Light Savings time and the impact that will have on the offset. > Anyone experience this before? > > > > Thanks! > > Ken > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From Gustav at cactus.dk Tue Oct 25 02:56:20 2011 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 09:56:20 +0200 Subject: [AccessD] Comparing times in different time zones Message-ID: Hi Ken There are two methods. One is to convert any time recorded to UTC before storing it. Then everything is "normalised", and times can be directly compared. The other is to record the time as local time including (most likely in a separate field) the current offset (including a DST value) between local time and UTC. Then local time can be directly compared, and time can easily be converted to compare with time of UTC or other time zones. Some of the latest database engines can store date/time including an offset from UTC in a single field. /gustav >>> kvanhuss at airrsystem.com 25-10-2011 05:13 >>> I have an unmet challenge relating to comparing times in different time zones. User on the other side of the world, literally enters time of an event. When the user saves the record in the database that time is captured, though the time is the server time, located in US central time zone. Using UTC offset I have "normalized" the times to UTC to compare against one another to ensure the record was entered within a certain amount of time. The challenge I see down the road is Day Light Savings time and the impact that will have on the offset. Anyone experience this before? Thanks! Ken From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Tue Oct 25 06:07:31 2011 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 07:07:31 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Syncing Virtual Machines Message-ID: <4EA69873.7000104@colbyconsulting.com> I have a virtual machine server (Colby-VM) and last weekend I rebuilt that machine - new motherboard / memory in preparation for a faster CPU etc. I store all my stuff on a RAID array on a dedicated controller, and which survives nicely across upgrades so I got lazy and did not backup. (almost) Everything that could go wrong did and by the end of the experience I was sweating bullets about whether I was going to find one of my critical VMs. I did get all the VMs back, but this brought me to the question of how the pros migrate machines from server to server. My SQL Server (Azul) has Windows 2008 with Hyper-V installed and I am wondering how to cause a VM to be kept synced on two servers so that it can just fire up and go when the usual VM server has to be brought down. Hyper-V has an "export / import" but that takes a loooong time to perform. Is anyone out there involved in this stuff and do you have any answers to this problem? I would love to be able to just shut the machine down on one server and bring it up on the other. My impression is that it is possible to migrate without even shutting down the VM. How is this magic done? -- John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it From rusty.hammond at cpiqpc.com Tue Oct 25 09:05:13 2011 From: rusty.hammond at cpiqpc.com (Rusty Hammond) Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 09:05:13 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Syncing Virtual Machines In-Reply-To: <4EA69873.7000104@colbyconsulting.com> References: <4EA69873.7000104@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <49A286ABF515E94A8505CD14DEB721701744A265@CPIEMAIL-EVS1.CPIQPC.NET> I don't know the details, but in our environment we have two servers running off the same SAN in a failover cluster. They have to be configured as active and failover and may require an enterprise version of SQL? It also allows us to do upgrades to each machine while the sql instance keeps on running. I found this link for more info: http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms189134.aspx HTH Rusty -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2011 6:08 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving; VBA; Sqlserver-Dba Subject: [AccessD] Syncing Virtual Machines I have a virtual machine server (Colby-VM) and last weekend I rebuilt that machine - new motherboard / memory in preparation for a faster CPU etc. I store all my stuff on a RAID array on a dedicated controller, and which survives nicely across upgrades so I got lazy and did not backup. (almost) Everything that could go wrong did and by the end of the experience I was sweating bullets about whether I was going to find one of my critical VMs. I did get all the VMs back, but this brought me to the question of how the pros migrate machines from server to server. My SQL Server (Azul) has Windows 2008 with Hyper-V installed and I am wondering how to cause a VM to be kept synced on two servers so that it can just fire up and go when the usual VM server has to be brought down. Hyper-V has an "export / import" but that takes a loooong time to perform. Is anyone out there involved in this stuff and do you have any answers to this problem? I would love to be able to just shut the machine down on one server and bring it up on the other. My impression is that it is possible to migrate without even shutting down the VM. How is this magic done? -- John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com ********************************************************************** WARNING: All e-mail sent to and from this address will be received, scanned or otherwise recorded by the CPI Qualified Plan Consultants, Inc. corporate e-mail system and is subject to archival, monitoring or review by, and/or disclosure to, someone other than the recipient. ********************************************************************** From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Tue Oct 25 10:00:53 2011 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 11:00:53 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] [dba-SQLServer] Syncing Virtual Machines In-Reply-To: <4EA6BC19.6080207@colbyconsulting.com> References: <4EA69873.7000104@colbyconsulting.com> <-3381981045989815633@unknownmsgid> <4EA6BC19.6080207@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <4EA6CF25.1030809@colbyconsulting.com> I have to say that Microsoft's VM system is just unfriendly. I understand that this stuff is complicated but that is all the more reason for Microsoft to spend the time to make it easier. 1) I have no idea the "why" behind this stuff but you cannot simply select the xml file and "mount" a VM. 2) If you "export" a vm then it can be imported. 3) AFAICT you cannot export a vm while it is running. The export menu item simply isn't there. 4) The export fails to a share on another machine on the directory. 5) The accepted fix is to add "machine" to the objects that the share allows and then select the source machine. 6) "Machine" is not a selection (on my machine) so I can't do that. 7) Even for people who are able to and try that, it only works some of the time. 8) When it fails it gives a generic "means nothing except it didn't work" error message. 9) There is no "backup", you have to "register" Hyper-V with the backup service / role. 10) Doing that requires a somewhat extensive manual modification to the registry. 11) Even if you can, the backup process is almost impossible to make happen unless you are backing up to identical machines. Two hours later I am no closer to getting a real automated backup happening of my virtual machines. I am now copying the files themselves. As I have always done in the past, because I ran into this same brick wall every time. :( 12) Having done that I cannot simply mount it on the machine I am copying it to. I have to manually create the machine on that destination machine and start it. Can you say "Frankenstein monster"? VMS are just way cool technology. Until you have to maintain them. John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it >>> On Tue, Oct 25, 2011 at 7:07 AM, jwcolbywrote: >>> >>>> I have a virtual machine server (Colby-VM) and last weekend I rebuilt that >>>> machine - new motherboard / memory in preparation for a faster CPU etc. I >>>> store all my stuff on a RAID array on a dedicated controller, and which >>>> survives nicely across upgrades so I got lazy and did not backup. (almost) >>>> Everything that could go wrong did and by the end of the experience I was >>>> sweating bullets about whether I was going to find one of my critical VMs. >>>> >>>> From dbdoug at gmail.com Tue Oct 25 11:14:34 2011 From: dbdoug at gmail.com (Doug Steele) Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 09:14:34 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Problem with .Net and Access Message-ID: Hello All: I have two very similar .Net 4.0 websites which use Access back ends. The first site runs on a Windows 7 server with IIS7 and has no problem accessing the Access back end in a multi user environment. The second site runs OK on my development machine on Win 7 and IIS7. I am trying to get the second site to run on the client's Windows XP server with IIS5.1. It runs perfectly well as long as it has exclusive access to the back end db, but as soon as the back end db is opened by another user, I get a "Could not use ''; file already in use" message. The connection strings in the two sites are identical. Does anyone have any suggestions? Thanks, Doug From Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com Tue Oct 25 11:16:46 2011 From: Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com (Kaup, Chester) Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 11:16:46 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Data Type Mismatch in Criteria Expression Message-ID: <0B2BF8524B73A248A2F1B81BA751ED3C1988A42280@houex1.kindermorgan.com> The following criteria generates the data type mismatch in criteria expression error. The field PID is a text field. What am I missing? Expr1: IIf(Right([ConfigMaster].[PID],1)="S" Or Right([ConfigMaster].[PID],1)="L", Right([ConfigMaster].[PID],Len([ConfigMaster].[PID]-4)),2) The following works correctly Expr1: IIf(Right([ConfigMaster].[PID],1)="S" Or Right([ConfigMaster].[PID],1)="L",1,2) Chester Kaup Engineering Technician Kinder Morgan CO2 Company, LLP Office (432) 688-3797 FAX (432) 688-3799 ? No trees were killed in the sending of this message. However a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced. From Gustav at cactus.dk Tue Oct 25 11:24:25 2011 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 18:24:25 +0200 Subject: [AccessD] Data Type Mismatch in Criteria Expression Message-ID: Hi Chester It should read: .. Len([ConfigMaster].[PID])-4 /gustav >>> Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com 25-10-2011 18:16:46 >>> The following criteria generates the data type mismatch in criteria expression error. The field PID is a text field. What am I missing? Expr1: IIf(Right([ConfigMaster].[PID],1)="S" Or Right([ConfigMaster].[PID],1)="L", Right([ConfigMaster].[PID],Len([ConfigMaster].[PID]-4)),2) The following works correctly Expr1: IIf(Right([ConfigMaster].[PID],1)="S" Or Right([ConfigMaster].[PID],1)="L",1,2) Chester Kaup Engineering Technician Kinder Morgan CO2 Company, LLP Office (432) 688-3797 FAX (432) 688-3799 No trees were killed in the sending of this message. However a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced. From jm.hwsn at gmail.com Tue Oct 25 11:26:09 2011 From: jm.hwsn at gmail.com (jm.hwsn) Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 11:26:09 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Data Type Mismatch in Criteria Expression In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4ea6e323.2015640a.606e.ffff90fe@mx.google.com> I thought it should read: ... Len([ConfigMaster].[PID],-4) -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2011 11:24 AM To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [AccessD] Data Type Mismatch in Criteria Expression Hi Chester It should read: .. Len([ConfigMaster].[PID])-4 /gustav >>> Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com 25-10-2011 18:16:46 >>> The following criteria generates the data type mismatch in criteria expression error. The field PID is a text field. What am I missing? Expr1: IIf(Right([ConfigMaster].[PID],1)="S" Or Right([ConfigMaster].[PID],1)="L", Right([ConfigMaster].[PID],Len([ConfigMaster].[PID]-4)),2) The following works correctly Expr1: IIf(Right([ConfigMaster].[PID],1)="S" Or Right([ConfigMaster].[PID],1)="L",1,2) Chester Kaup Engineering Technician Kinder Morgan CO2 Company, LLP Office (432) 688-3797 FAX (432) 688-3799 No trees were killed in the sending of this message. However a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced. -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com Tue Oct 25 11:28:39 2011 From: Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com (Kaup, Chester) Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 11:28:39 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Data Type Mismatch in Criteria Expression In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0B2BF8524B73A248A2F1B81BA751ED3C1988A4228C@houex1.kindermorgan.com> Thanks! Been looking at it to long. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2011 11:24 AM To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [AccessD] Data Type Mismatch in Criteria Expression Hi Chester It should read: .. Len([ConfigMaster].[PID])-4 /gustav >>> Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com 25-10-2011 18:16:46 >>> The following criteria generates the data type mismatch in criteria expression error. The field PID is a text field. What am I missing? Expr1: IIf(Right([ConfigMaster].[PID],1)="S" Or Right([ConfigMaster].[PID],1)="L", Right([ConfigMaster].[PID],Len([ConfigMaster].[PID]-4)),2) The following works correctly Expr1: IIf(Right([ConfigMaster].[PID],1)="S" Or Right([ConfigMaster].[PID],1)="L",1,2) Chester Kaup Engineering Technician Kinder Morgan CO2 Company, LLP Office (432) 688-3797 FAX (432) 688-3799 No trees were killed in the sending of this message. However a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced. -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com Tue Oct 25 11:36:16 2011 From: Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com (Kaup, Chester) Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 11:36:16 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Data Type Mismatch in Criteria Expression In-Reply-To: <4ea6e323.2015640a.606e.ffff90fe@mx.google.com> References: <4ea6e323.2015640a.606e.ffff90fe@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <0B2BF8524B73A248A2F1B81BA751ED3C1988A42290@houex1.kindermorgan.com> Len([ConfigMaster].[PID])-4 is correct. The way I had it I was trying to subtract an integer from a text field. Just doesn't work. I wanted to change the result of the Len function. Thanks all. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jm.hwsn Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2011 11:26 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Data Type Mismatch in Criteria Expression I thought it should read: ... Len([ConfigMaster].[PID],-4) -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2011 11:24 AM To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [AccessD] Data Type Mismatch in Criteria Expression Hi Chester It should read: .. Len([ConfigMaster].[PID])-4 /gustav >>> Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com 25-10-2011 18:16:46 >>> The following criteria generates the data type mismatch in criteria expression error. The field PID is a text field. What am I missing? Expr1: IIf(Right([ConfigMaster].[PID],1)="S" Or Right([ConfigMaster].[PID],1)="L", Right([ConfigMaster].[PID],Len([ConfigMaster].[PID]-4)),2) The following works correctly Expr1: IIf(Right([ConfigMaster].[PID],1)="S" Or Right([ConfigMaster].[PID],1)="L",1,2) Chester Kaup Engineering Technician Kinder Morgan CO2 Company, LLP Office (432) 688-3797 FAX (432) 688-3799 No trees were killed in the sending of this message. However a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced. -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jm.hwsn at gmail.com Tue Oct 25 11:38:46 2011 From: jm.hwsn at gmail.com (jm.hwsn) Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 11:38:46 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Data Type Mismatch in Criteria Expression In-Reply-To: <0B2BF8524B73A248A2F1B81BA751ED3C1988A4228C@houex1.kindermorgan.com> References: <0B2BF8524B73A248A2F1B81BA751ED3C1988A4228C@houex1.kindermorgan.com> Message-ID: <4ea6e618.04bc650a.53e9.610a@mx.google.com> Boy, I feel stupid. In my previous email, I really blew it. Talk about the aha moment. Sorry for irritating the electrons... and waste of bandwidth. Jim -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kaup, Chester Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2011 11:29 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Data Type Mismatch in Criteria Expression Thanks! Been looking at it to long. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2011 11:24 AM To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [AccessD] Data Type Mismatch in Criteria Expression Hi Chester It should read: .. Len([ConfigMaster].[PID])-4 /gustav >>> Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com 25-10-2011 18:16:46 >>> The following criteria generates the data type mismatch in criteria expression error. The field PID is a text field. What am I missing? Expr1: IIf(Right([ConfigMaster].[PID],1)="S" Or Right([ConfigMaster].[PID],1)="L", Right([ConfigMaster].[PID],Len([ConfigMaster].[PID]-4)),2) The following works correctly Expr1: IIf(Right([ConfigMaster].[PID],1)="S" Or Right([ConfigMaster].[PID],1)="L",1,2) Chester Kaup Engineering Technician Kinder Morgan CO2 Company, LLP Office (432) 688-3797 FAX (432) 688-3799 No trees were killed in the sending of this message. However a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced. -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jimdettman at verizon.net Tue Oct 25 12:33:46 2011 From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman) Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 13:33:46 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Problem with .Net and Access In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Doug, Given that the strings are identical, a first guess would be permissions. Make sure the Web server account and the other user both have full privs (read, write, delete) for the DB directory. Also that you don't have two DB's in the directory with the same base name (ie. myApp.MDB and myApp.MDW). If you do, the LDB file will end up with the same name in both cases and all kinds of weird things will happen. Finally, make sure it's not being virus scanned at open. Those are all the usual culprits. Jim. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Doug Steele Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2011 12:15 PM To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com Subject: [AccessD] Problem with .Net and Access Hello All: I have two very similar .Net 4.0 websites which use Access back ends. The first site runs on a Windows 7 server with IIS7 and has no problem accessing the Access back end in a multi user environment. The second site runs OK on my development machine on Win 7 and IIS7. I am trying to get the second site to run on the client's Windows XP server with IIS5.1. It runs perfectly well as long as it has exclusive access to the back end db, but as soon as the back end db is opened by another user, I get a "Could not use ''; file already in use" message. The connection strings in the two sites are identical. Does anyone have any suggestions? Thanks, Doug -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From dbdoug at gmail.com Tue Oct 25 13:17:46 2011 From: dbdoug at gmail.com (Doug Steele) Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 11:17:46 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Problem with .Net and Access In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks, Jim. Setting the 'ASPNET' user to have full permissions on the folder containing the database has fixed the problem. The default permissions were read only. Can you explain why this is required when the .mdb is already opened by another user, but isn't necessary when the website is the only 'user' opening the .mdb file? You still have to be able to write to a folder to open the .mdb. Doug On Tue, Oct 25, 2011 at 10:33 AM, Jim Dettman wrote: > Make sure the Web server account and the other user both have full privs > (read, write, delete) for the DB directory. > From charlotte.foust at gmail.com Tue Oct 25 16:47:02 2011 From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust) Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 14:47:02 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Problem with .Net and Access In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Last one out has to be able to delete the ldb file. If they don't have full permissions, that isn't possible. If they don't have write permissions, they can't be entered into the ldb file, and if they don't have create permissions, they can't create it if they're the first ones in. Charlotte Foust On Tue, Oct 25, 2011 at 11:17 AM, Doug Steele wrote: > Thanks, Jim. > > Setting the 'ASPNET' user to have full permissions on the folder containing > the database has fixed the problem. The default permissions were read > only. > > Can you explain why this is required when the .mdb is already opened by > another user, but isn't necessary when the website is the only 'user' > opening the .mdb file? You still have to be able to write to a folder to > open the .mdb. > > Doug > > > On Tue, Oct 25, 2011 at 10:33 AM, Jim Dettman >wrote: > > > Make sure the Web server account and the other user both have full privs > > (read, write, delete) for the DB directory. > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > From jedi at charm.net Tue Oct 25 17:12:21 2011 From: jedi at charm.net (Michael Bahr) Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 18:12:21 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [AccessD] Syncing Virtual Machines In-Reply-To: <4EA69873.7000104@colbyconsulting.com> References: <4EA69873.7000104@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <3433.24.35.110.201.1319580741.squirrel@mail.expedient.net> > I did get all the VMs back, but this brought me to the question of how the > pros migrate machines > from server to server. My SQL Server (Azul) has Windows 2008 with Hyper-V > installed and I am > wondering how to cause a VM to be kept synced on two servers so that it > can just fire up and go when > the usual VM server has to be brought down. Hyper-V has an "export / > import" but that takes a > loooong time to perform. I have used VirtualBox and VMWare Player/Workstation and these have an option of "I have moved it" or "I have copied it". So this means you can either copy or move **all** the vm parts to another computer and then fire up that mechines' VM device and tell it where the parts are. If I understand your question. Mike... From vbacreations at gmail.com Tue Oct 25 20:20:27 2011 From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson) Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 21:20:27 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Value List ListBox retuning Null instead of one of its Columns Message-ID: I have a listbox. It is ValueList rowsourceType. That rowsource is 001005065;HOLLISTON MILLS INC I am trying to query the column property in order to get HOLLISTON MILLS INC but it is coming back as null ?lstCompany.Column(0,1) Null ?lstCompany.Column(0,0) 001005065 ?lstCompany.columncount 2 ?lstCompany.rowsource 001005065;HOLLISTON MILLS INC Can someone tell me if there is a different property I am supposed to use? Nothing is selected in the listbox, it is a single-row listbox specifically designed to hold a value in a hidden column (in this case '001005065') and display the other value ('HOLLISTON MILLS INC') which it does wonderfully, but it is not giving me access to the second column. Note: I am very aware I can, since I know the rowsource, parse it and retrieve the HOLLISTON MILLS INC part .. that is my current workaround. but I would like to better understand what is going on. Thanks!!! From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Tue Oct 25 21:13:29 2011 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 22:13:29 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Syncing Virtual Machines In-Reply-To: <3433.24.35.110.201.1319580741.squirrel@mail.expedient.net> References: <4EA69873.7000104@colbyconsulting.com> <3433.24.35.110.201.1319580741.squirrel@mail.expedient.net> Message-ID: <4EA76CC9.60101@colbyconsulting.com> I used VMWare for perhaps 2 years but when I installed Windows 2008 and Hyper-V suddenly VMWare stopped working. If I understand it right, the two do not co-exist which makes sense seeing as both are trying to "own" the hardware for virtualizing it for the VMs. In any event I now use Hyper-V. John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it On 10/25/2011 6:12 PM, Michael Bahr wrote: > > >> I did get all the VMs back, but this brought me to the question of how the >> pros migrate machines >> from server to server. My SQL Server (Azul) has Windows 2008 with Hyper-V >> installed and I am >> wondering how to cause a VM to be kept synced on two servers so that it >> can just fire up and go when >> the usual VM server has to be brought down. Hyper-V has an "export / >> import" but that takes a >> loooong time to perform. > > I have used VirtualBox and VMWare Player/Workstation and these have an > option of "I have moved it" or "I have copied it". So this means you can > either copy or move **all** the vm parts to another computer and then fire > up that mechines' VM device and tell it where the parts are. If I > understand your question. > > > Mike... > > From darren at activebilling.com.au Tue Oct 25 22:58:21 2011 From: darren at activebilling.com.au (Darren - Active Billing) Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2011 14:58:21 +1100 Subject: [AccessD] Value List ListBox retuning Null instead of one of its Columns Message-ID: <01d901cc9393$81d6df00$85849d00$@activebilling.com.au> Hi William The no of columns in the property sheet of the list box is critical in this scenario If you have the number of columns set to one then access interprets each delimiter (In this case semi-colon) as a new record rather than a new column of the same record. e.g. 001005065 becomes column 1 of record 1 HOLLISTON MILLS INC becomes column1 of record 2 instead of being column 2 of record 1 Hope this helps Darren -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Benson Sent: Wednesday, 26 October 2011 12:20 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: [AccessD] Value List ListBox retuning Null instead of one of its Columns I have a listbox. It is ValueList rowsourceType. That rowsource is 001005065;HOLLISTON MILLS INC I am trying to query the column property in order to get HOLLISTON MILLS INC but it is coming back as null ?lstCompany.Column(0,1) Null ?lstCompany.Column(0,0) 001005065 ?lstCompany.columncount 2 ?lstCompany.rowsource 001005065;HOLLISTON MILLS INC Can someone tell me if there is a different property I am supposed to use? Nothing is selected in the listbox, it is a single-row listbox specifically designed to hold a value in a hidden column (in this case '001005065') and display the other value ('HOLLISTON MILLS INC') which it does wonderfully, but it is not giving me access to the second column. Note: I am very aware I can, since I know the rowsource, parse it and retrieve the HOLLISTON MILLS INC part .. that is my current workaround. but I would like to better understand what is going on. Thanks!!! -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From vbacreations at gmail.com Wed Oct 26 00:40:08 2011 From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson) Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2011 01:40:08 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Value List ListBox retuning Null instead of one of its Columns In-Reply-To: <01d901cc9393$81d6df00$85849d00$@activebilling.com.au> References: <01d901cc9393$81d6df00$85849d00$@activebilling.com.au> Message-ID: It does! I think excel does it reversed? On Oct 25, 2011 11:59 PM, "Darren - Active Billing" < darren at activebilling.com.au> wrote: > Hi William > The no of columns in the property sheet of the list box is critical in this > scenario > If you have the number of columns set to one then access interprets each > delimiter (In this case semi-colon) as a new record rather than a new > column > of the same record. > e.g. 001005065 becomes column 1 of record 1 > HOLLISTON MILLS INC becomes column1 of record 2 instead of being column 2 > of > record 1 > Hope this helps > Darren > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Benson > Sent: Wednesday, 26 October 2011 12:20 PM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: [AccessD] Value List ListBox retuning Null instead of one of its > Columns > > I have a listbox. It is ValueList rowsourceType. That rowsource is > > 001005065;HOLLISTON MILLS INC > > I am trying to query the column property in order to get HOLLISTON MILLS > INC > > but it is coming back as null > > ?lstCompany.Column(0,1) > Null > ?lstCompany.Column(0,0) > 001005065 > ?lstCompany.columncount > 2 > ?lstCompany.rowsource > 001005065;HOLLISTON MILLS INC > > Can someone tell me if there is a different property I am supposed to use? > > Nothing is selected in the listbox, it is a single-row listbox specifically > designed to hold a value in a hidden column (in this case '001005065') and > display the other value ('HOLLISTON MILLS INC') which it does wonderfully, > but it is not giving me access to the second column. > > Note: I am very aware I can, since I know the rowsource, parse it and > retrieve the HOLLISTON MILLS INC part .. that is my current workaround. but > I would like to better understand what is going on. > > Thanks!!! > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From vbacreations at gmail.com Wed Oct 26 00:42:41 2011 From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson) Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2011 01:42:41 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Value List ListBox retuning Null instead of one of its Columns In-Reply-To: <01d901cc9393$81d6df00$85849d00$@activebilling.com.au> References: <01d901cc9393$81d6df00$85849d00$@activebilling.com.au> Message-ID: Reading your answer more closely... not sure related since I have the right number of columns. The issue was that column property in access listbox is (Col,row). I had it reversed. On Oct 25, 2011 11:59 PM, "Darren - Active Billing" < darren at activebilling.com.au> wrote: > Hi William > The no of columns in the property sheet of the list box is critical in this > scenario > If you have the number of columns set to one then access interprets each > delimiter (In this case semi-colon) as a new record rather than a new > column > of the same record. > e.g. 001005065 becomes column 1 of record 1 > HOLLISTON MILLS INC becomes column1 of record 2 instead of being column 2 > of > record 1 > Hope this helps > Darren > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Benson > Sent: Wednesday, 26 October 2011 12:20 PM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: [AccessD] Value List ListBox retuning Null instead of one of its > Columns > > I have a listbox. It is ValueList rowsourceType. That rowsource is > > 001005065;HOLLISTON MILLS INC > > I am trying to query the column property in order to get HOLLISTON MILLS > INC > > but it is coming back as null > > ?lstCompany.Column(0,1) > Null > ?lstCompany.Column(0,0) > 001005065 > ?lstCompany.columncount > 2 > ?lstCompany.rowsource > 001005065;HOLLISTON MILLS INC > > Can someone tell me if there is a different property I am supposed to use? > > Nothing is selected in the listbox, it is a single-row listbox specifically > designed to hold a value in a hidden column (in this case '001005065') and > display the other value ('HOLLISTON MILLS INC') which it does wonderfully, > but it is not giving me access to the second column. > > Note: I am very aware I can, since I know the rowsource, parse it and > retrieve the HOLLISTON MILLS INC part .. that is my current workaround. but > I would like to better understand what is going on. > > Thanks!!! > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From Gustav at cactus.dk Wed Oct 26 05:27:19 2011 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2011 12:27:19 +0200 Subject: [AccessD] Value List ListBox retuning Null instead of one of its Columns Message-ID: Hi William As you one row only, the row parameter is of no use. So: ?lstCompany.Column(0) 001005065 ?lstCompany.Column(1) HOLLISTON MILLS INC ?lstCompany.columncount 2 ?lstCompany.rowsource 001005065;HOLLISTON MILLS INC If you insist: ?lstCompany.Column(0,0) 001005065 ?lstCompany.Column(1,0) HOLLISTON MILLS INC /gustav >>> vbacreations at gmail.com 26-10-2011 03:20 >>> I have a listbox. It is ValueList rowsourceType. That rowsource is 001005065;HOLLISTON MILLS INC I am trying to query the column property in order to get HOLLISTON MILLS INC but it is coming back as null ?lstCompany.Column(0,1) Null ?lstCompany.Column(0,0) 001005065 ?lstCompany.columncount 2 ?lstCompany.rowsource 001005065;HOLLISTON MILLS INC Can someone tell me if there is a different property I am supposed to use? Nothing is selected in the listbox, it is a single-row listbox specifically designed to hold a value in a hidden column (in this case '001005065') and display the other value ('HOLLISTON MILLS INC') which it does wonderfully, but it is not giving me access to the second column. Note: I am very aware I can, since I know the rowsource, parse it and retrieve the HOLLISTON MILLS INC part .. that is my current workaround. but I would like to better understand what is going on. Thanks!!! From jimdettman at verizon.net Wed Oct 26 06:14:57 2011 From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman) Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2011 07:14:57 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Problem with .Net and Access In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: If the LDB file can't be created, a DB is opened exclusive. Ditto if the LDB file is there, but can't be written to. Jim. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Doug Steele Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2011 02:18 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Problem with .Net and Access Thanks, Jim. Setting the 'ASPNET' user to have full permissions on the folder containing the database has fixed the problem. The default permissions were read only. Can you explain why this is required when the .mdb is already opened by another user, but isn't necessary when the website is the only 'user' opening the .mdb file? You still have to be able to write to a folder to open the .mdb. Doug On Tue, Oct 25, 2011 at 10:33 AM, Jim Dettman wrote: > Make sure the Web server account and the other user both have full privs > (read, write, delete) for the DB directory. > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From dbdoug at gmail.com Wed Oct 26 09:52:40 2011 From: dbdoug at gmail.com (Doug Steele) Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2011 07:52:40 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Problem with .Net and Access In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks, that explains it - all these years and I didn't know that! Doug On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 4:14 AM, Jim Dettman wrote: > > If the LDB file can't be created, a DB is opened exclusive. Ditto if the > LDB file is there, but can't be written to. > > Jim. > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Doug Steele > Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2011 02:18 PM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Problem with .Net and Access > > Thanks, Jim. > > Setting the 'ASPNET' user to have full permissions on the folder containing > the database has fixed the problem. The default permissions were read > only. > > Can you explain why this is required when the .mdb is already opened by > another user, but isn't necessary when the website is the only 'user' > opening the .mdb file? You still have to be able to write to a folder to > open the .mdb. > > Doug > > > On Tue, Oct 25, 2011 at 10:33 AM, Jim Dettman >wrote: > > > Make sure the Web server account and the other user both have full privs > > (read, write, delete) for the DB directory. > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From vbacreations at gmail.com Wed Oct 26 20:49:36 2011 From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson (VBACreations.Com)) Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2011 21:49:36 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Known Bugs List in A2K7/10 In-Reply-To: <004a01cc8f99$8944af90$9bce0eb0$@net> References: <4E9E8A33.5135.61C4375@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <000901cc8eca$ac281df0$047859d0$@gmail.com> <004a01cc8f99$8944af90$9bce0eb0$@net> Message-ID: <000f01cc944a$af0e9140$0d2bb3c0$@gmail.com> How about this (forgive if posted already) In the VBE, I go to paste code from one form's code module to another ... and Access prompts me to save! I haven't figured out what the implications are of saying yes or no, since I normally will save shortly after doing this - but usually not immediately. It also generally closes some or another object that might be loaded. From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au Wed Oct 26 23:39:20 2011 From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins) Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 04:39:20 +0000 Subject: [AccessD] Known Bugs List in A2K7/10 In-Reply-To: <000f01cc944a$af0e9140$0d2bb3c0$@gmail.com> References: <4E9E8A33.5135.61C4375@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <000901cc8eca$ac281df0$047859d0$@gmail.com> <004a01cc8f99$8944af90$9bce0eb0$@net> <000f01cc944a$af0e9140$0d2bb3c0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55C824D@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com> Right.... Found PITA (1) when using Split Forms. Nice idea, but guess what. They don't' work at all on TABBED forms. Way to go MS . Just wasted the last 20 minutes playing around with that, I wonder if I can fake it by putting a table view in the footer? Going to try. Cheers Darryl. From vbacreations at gmail.com Thu Oct 27 00:29:43 2011 From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson (VBACreations.Com)) Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 01:29:43 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Known Bugs List in A2K7/10 References: <4E9E8A33.5135.61C4375@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <000901cc8eca$ac281df0$047859d0$@gmail.com> <004a01cc8f99$8944af90$9bce0eb0$@net> Message-ID: <001401cc9469$6f238ee0$4d6aaca0$@gmail.com> More Ac2010 bugs. Hard to know whether this belongs in a thread of KNOWN bugs, but they are certainly ACTIVE bugs. I am getting a message like [My Database Name] cannot complete this operation. You must stop the code and try again" Thing is, I am not running any code. I only copied an object (like a form) and tried to paste it with a new name in the database window. Furthermore, I also occasionally catch the statusbar showing me a query is running I am not doing anything except modifying some code in design time. This Ac2010 seems very much like a Ghost in the Machine gone wild, and it is not Casper the Friendly either. From delam at zyterra.com Thu Oct 27 06:17:55 2011 From: delam at zyterra.com (Debbie) Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 06:17:55 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Tab delimited text file Message-ID: <1DB987E5-91D4-4BA3-B1ED-98D8FA7F2295@zyterra.com> I have a text file being exported from access 2007 using transfer text. This creates a comma delimited file that has been working fine. The receiving end of this file has asked for a tab delimited file instead. Our attempts to create an export specification to do this has not yielded anything transfer text will acknowledge. Does anyone know how to either fix the export specification or an alternate method? This approach should remain simple and flexible if fields are added in the future. The directive is under no circumstances should I create an ongoing maintainence task for myself. Leaving as is will be suboptimal, but not impossible. Debbie Sent from my iPhone From fuller.artful at gmail.com Thu Oct 27 06:47:25 2011 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 07:47:25 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Tab delimited text file In-Reply-To: <1DB987E5-91D4-4BA3-B1ED-98D8FA7F2295@zyterra.com> References: <1DB987E5-91D4-4BA3-B1ED-98D8FA7F2295@zyterra.com> Message-ID: I have had the same problem in the past and failed to come up with a strictly-Access solution, so I adopted a more primitive method -- my favourite text editor (NoteTab). It is lightning-quick and makes it a cinch to do a global-replace, so I searched for "," and replaced it with "^T" (which in NoteTab nomenclature means "Tab"). NoteTab can handle extremely large files, too. I'm sure that other text editors can do this too. Arthur On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 7:17 AM, Debbie wrote: > I have a text file being exported from access 2007 using transfer text. > This creates a comma delimited file that has been working fine. The > receiving end of this file has asked for a tab delimited file instead. Our > attempts to create an export specification to do this has not yielded > anything transfer text will acknowledge. Does anyone know how to either fix > the export specification or an alternate method? > > From paul.hartland at googlemail.com Thu Oct 27 06:56:00 2011 From: paul.hartland at googlemail.com (Paul Hartland) Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 12:56:00 +0100 Subject: [AccessD] Tab delimited text file In-Reply-To: References: <1DB987E5-91D4-4BA3-B1ED-98D8FA7F2295@zyterra.com> Message-ID: Could you not write a function to export the file line by line, put the file into a recordset, open a text file for exporting to and loop through the recordset and print each line into the file using something like Print #FileNumber, YourRecordset.GetString(, , vbTab, vbCrLf, ""); Has worked for me in the past. On 27 October 2011 12:47, Arthur Fuller wrote: > I have had the same problem in the past and failed to come up with a > strictly-Access solution, so I adopted a more primitive method -- my > favourite text editor (NoteTab). It is lightning-quick and makes it a cinch > to do a global-replace, so I searched for "," and replaced it with "^T" > (which in NoteTab nomenclature means "Tab"). NoteTab can handle extremely > large files, too. I'm sure that other text editors can do this too. > > Arthur > > On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 7:17 AM, Debbie wrote: > > > I have a text file being exported from access 2007 using transfer text. > > This creates a comma delimited file that has been working fine. The > > receiving end of this file has asked for a tab delimited file instead. > Our > > attempts to create an export specification to do this has not yielded > > anything transfer text will acknowledge. Does anyone know how to either > fix > > the export specification or an alternate method? > > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Paul Hartland paul.hartland at googlemail.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Thu Oct 27 07:01:21 2011 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 08:01:21 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Tab delimited text file In-Reply-To: References: <1DB987E5-91D4-4BA3-B1ED-98D8FA7F2295@zyterra.com> Message-ID: That looks like a cleaner solution than my clumsy external method. A. On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 7:56 AM, Paul Hartland wrote: > Could you not write a function to export the file line by line, put the > file > into a recordset, open a text file for exporting to and loop through the > recordset and print each line into the file using something like > > Print #FileNumber, YourRecordset.GetString(, , vbTab, vbCrLf, ""); > > Has worked for me in the past. > > From delam at zyterra.com Thu Oct 27 08:01:44 2011 From: delam at zyterra.com (Debbie) Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 08:01:44 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Tab delimited text file In-Reply-To: References: <1DB987E5-91D4-4BA3-B1ED-98D8FA7F2295@zyterra.com> Message-ID: <354B971B-39DE-4243-A3DA-BFD7A171CBC3@zyterra.com> The line by line method is definitely in consideration. I was hoping for something that would be a little more friendly to the user who developed this db. You never know when someone on this list has the perfect elegant solution. Debbie Sent from my iPhone On Oct 27, 2011, at 7:01 AM, Arthur Fuller wrote: > That looks like a cleaner solution than my clumsy external method. > A. > > On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 7:56 AM, Paul Hartland > wrote: > >> Could you not write a function to export the file line by line, put the >> file >> into a recordset, open a text file for exporting to and loop through the >> recordset and print each line into the file using something like >> >> Print #FileNumber, YourRecordset.GetString(, , vbTab, vbCrLf, ""); >> >> Has worked for me in the past. >> >> > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From dnod at aol.com Thu Oct 27 08:48:12 2011 From: dnod at aol.com (Dean Davids) Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 09:48:12 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Tab delimited text file In-Reply-To: <354B971B-39DE-4243-A3DA-BFD7A171CBC3@zyterra.com> References: <1DB987E5-91D4-4BA3-B1ED-98D8FA7F2295@zyterra.com> <354B971B-39DE-4243-A3DA-BFD7A171CBC3@zyterra.com> Message-ID: <19FFE799-1BF0-428C-A9DE-DBEEE5B728D1@aol.com> Have you considered importing into Excel and then export as tab delimited? I seem to recall that as an option in Excel and that would likely be possible to automate if the user has Excel on PC. Dean S. Davids On Oct 27, 2011, at 9:01 AM, Debbie wrote: > The line by line method is definitely in consideration. I was hoping for something that would be a little more friendly to the user who developed this db. You never know when someone on this list has the perfect elegant solution. > > Debbie > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Oct 27, 2011, at 7:01 AM, Arthur Fuller wrote: > >> That looks like a cleaner solution than my clumsy external method. >> A. >> >> On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 7:56 AM, Paul Hartland >> wrote: >> >>> Could you not write a function to export the file line by line, put the >>> file >>> into a recordset, open a text file for exporting to and loop through the >>> recordset and print each line into the file using something like >>> >>> Print #FileNumber, YourRecordset.GetString(, , vbTab, vbCrLf, ""); >>> >>> Has worked for me in the past. >>> >>> >> -- >> AccessD mailing list >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From paul.hartland at googlemail.com Thu Oct 27 09:06:52 2011 From: paul.hartland at googlemail.com (Paul Hartland) Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 15:06:52 +0100 Subject: [AccessD] Tab delimited text file In-Reply-To: <354B971B-39DE-4243-A3DA-BFD7A171CBC3@zyterra.com> References: <1DB987E5-91D4-4BA3-B1ED-98D8FA7F2295@zyterra.com> <354B971B-39DE-4243-A3DA-BFD7A171CBC3@zyterra.com> Message-ID: Here is a little function I have quickly knocked together, can't find my source, but no reason why it shouldn't work, you pass a recordset to function to export, could also pass the export path name as well if you wanted: Function ExportTabDelimited(rsExport as Recordset) Dim strExportPath as String Dim fnFreeFile strExportPath = "your path and filename here" If not rsExport.BOF and not rsExport.EOF Then rsExport.MoveFirst Open strExportPath For Output As #fnFreeFile Do Until rsExport.EOF Print #fnFileNo, rsExport.GetString(, , vbTab, vbCrLf, ""); rsExport.MoveNext Loop Close #fnFreeFile End If End Function On 27 October 2011 14:01, Debbie wrote: > The line by line method is definitely in consideration. I was hoping for > something that would be a little more friendly to the user who developed > this db. You never know when someone on this list has the perfect elegant > solution. > > Debbie > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Oct 27, 2011, at 7:01 AM, Arthur Fuller > wrote: > > > That looks like a cleaner solution than my clumsy external method. > > A. > > > > On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 7:56 AM, Paul Hartland < > paul.hartland at googlemail.com > >> wrote: > > > >> Could you not write a function to export the file line by line, put the > >> file > >> into a recordset, open a text file for exporting to and loop through the > >> recordset and print each line into the file using something like > >> > >> Print #FileNumber, YourRecordset.GetString(, , vbTab, vbCrLf, ""); > >> > >> Has worked for me in the past. > >> > >> > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Paul Hartland paul.hartland at googlemail.com From ssharkins at gmail.com Thu Oct 27 09:47:04 2011 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 10:47:04 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Convert 2007/2010 to 2003 Message-ID: <931F83B6ACA24D53997914B5D778E7CD@SusanHarkins> I had fudge after breakfast so I guess I'm just in a diabetic fizzy, but... can't you demote a 2007/2010 database back to 2003? I can't find a setting that will convert, within 2010. Am I just missing it or am I expecting too much? Susan H. From fuller.artful at gmail.com Thu Oct 27 09:56:36 2011 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 10:56:36 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Convert 2007/2010 to 2003 In-Reply-To: <931F83B6ACA24D53997914B5D778E7CD@SusanHarkins> References: <931F83B6ACA24D53997914B5D778E7CD@SusanHarkins> Message-ID: I don't use 2010 but I do use 2007, and have found that it is demote-able just fine IF you have not used features unavailable in 2003. However, chances are the reason you moved to 2007 is precisely for its new features, and there's the rub. No quick fix for this problem, methinks. A. On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 10:47 AM, Susan Harkins wrote: > I had fudge after breakfast so I guess I'm just in a diabetic fizzy, but... > can't you demote a 2007/2010 database back to 2003? I can't find a setting > that will convert, within 2010. Am I just missing it or am I expecting too > much? > > Susan H. > From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Thu Oct 27 09:57:48 2011 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 07:57:48 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Tab delimited text file In-Reply-To: <354B971B-39DE-4243-A3DA-BFD7A171CBC3@zyterra.com> References: <1DB987E5-91D4-4BA3-B1ED-98D8FA7F2295@zyterra.com> <354B971B-39DE-4243-A3DA-BFD7A171CBC3@zyterra.com> Message-ID: <99348B128A754AA09535B5BCBBE14017@HAL9007> I'll second the VBA approach. I have used it several times because of the unreliability of the Transfer functions - TransferText, TrasferSpreadsheet, etc. It's not very much code and you have complete control - build the string and output it to your file using Print #. Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software 858-259-4334 www.bchacc.com www.e-z-mrp.com -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Debbie Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2011 6:02 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Tab delimited text file The line by line method is definitely in consideration. I was hoping for something that would be a little more friendly to the user who developed this db. You never know when someone on this list has the perfect elegant solution. Debbie Sent from my iPhone On Oct 27, 2011, at 7:01 AM, Arthur Fuller wrote: > That looks like a cleaner solution than my clumsy external method. > A. > > On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 7:56 AM, Paul Hartland > > wrote: > >> Could you not write a function to export the file line by line, put >> the file into a recordset, open a text file for exporting to and loop >> through the recordset and print each line into the file using >> something like >> >> Print #FileNumber, YourRecordset.GetString(, , vbTab, vbCrLf, ""); >> >> Has worked for me in the past. >> >> > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From ssharkins at gmail.com Thu Oct 27 10:19:38 2011 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 11:19:38 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Convert 2007/2010 to 2003 References: <931F83B6ACA24D53997914B5D778E7CD@SusanHarkins> Message-ID: Not in this case, just wanting to demote a simple demo to 2003. Where's the setting to do that Arthur? I can't find anything. Susan H. >I don't use 2010 but I do use 2007, and have found that it is demote-able > just fine IF you have not used features unavailable in 2003. However, > chances are the reason you moved to 2007 is precisely for its new > features, > and there's the rub. No quick fix for this problem, methinks. > > A. > > On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 10:47 AM, Susan Harkins > wrote: > >> I had fudge after breakfast so I guess I'm just in a diabetic fizzy, >> but... >> can't you demote a 2007/2010 database back to 2003? I can't find a >> setting >> that will convert, within 2010. Am I just missing it or am I expecting >> too >> much? From dw-murphy at cox.net Thu Oct 27 10:27:05 2011 From: dw-murphy at cox.net (Doug Murphy) Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 08:27:05 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Convert 2007/2010 to 2003 In-Reply-To: References: <931F83B6ACA24D53997914B5D778E7CD@SusanHarkins> Message-ID: <00c101cc94bc$e1ffec30$a5ffc490$@cox.net> If you go to the File tab and select Save & Publish you will be able to save an accdb file as an earlier file type. Takes a while to navigate this new ribbon/tab structure, particularly if you're like me and your few remaining functional neurons were used to menus. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2011 8:20 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Convert 2007/2010 to 2003 Not in this case, just wanting to demote a simple demo to 2003. Where's the setting to do that Arthur? I can't find anything. Susan H. >I don't use 2010 but I do use 2007, and have found that it is >demote-able just fine IF you have not used features unavailable in >2003. However, chances are the reason you moved to 2007 is precisely >for its new features, and there's the rub. No quick fix for this >problem, methinks. > > A. > > On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 10:47 AM, Susan Harkins > wrote: > >> I had fudge after breakfast so I guess I'm just in a diabetic fizzy, >> but... >> can't you demote a 2007/2010 database back to 2003? I can't find a >> setting that will convert, within 2010. Am I just missing it or am I >> expecting too much? -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From ab-mi at post3.tele.dk Thu Oct 27 10:29:04 2011 From: ab-mi at post3.tele.dk (Asger Blond) Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 17:29:04 +0200 Subject: [AccessD] Convert 2007/2010 to 2003 In-Reply-To: <931F83B6ACA24D53997914B5D778E7CD@SusanHarkins> References: <931F83B6ACA24D53997914B5D778E7CD@SusanHarkins> Message-ID: On the File Ribbon choose Save & Publish, then highlight Access 2002-2003 Database (*.mdb) and click the Save As button. Asger -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Susan Harkins Sendt: 27. oktober 2011 16:47 Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Emne: [AccessD] Convert 2007/2010 to 2003 I had fudge after breakfast so I guess I'm just in a diabetic fizzy, but... can't you demote a 2007/2010 database back to 2003? I can't find a setting that will convert, within 2010. Am I just missing it or am I expecting too much? Susan H. -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From joeo at appoli.com Thu Oct 27 10:30:50 2011 From: joeo at appoli.com (Joe O'Connell) Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 11:30:50 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Convert 2007/2010 to 2003 In-Reply-To: References: <931F83B6ACA24D53997914B5D778E7CD@SusanHarkins> Message-ID: <1CF20DB644BE124083B31638E5D5C023B4D05C@exch2.Onappsad.net> Susan, File - Save and Publish Select Access 2002-2003 Database Click Save As Joe O'Connell -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2011 11:20 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Convert 2007/2010 to 2003 Not in this case, just wanting to demote a simple demo to 2003. Where's the setting to do that Arthur? I can't find anything. Susan H. >I don't use 2010 but I do use 2007, and have found that it is >demote-able just fine IF you have not used features unavailable in >2003. However, chances are the reason you moved to 2007 is precisely >for its new features, and there's the rub. No quick fix for this >problem, methinks. > > A. > > On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 10:47 AM, Susan Harkins > wrote: > >> I had fudge after breakfast so I guess I'm just in a diabetic fizzy, >> but... >> can't you demote a 2007/2010 database back to 2003? I can't find a >> setting that will convert, within 2010. Am I just missing it or am I >> expecting too much? -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From ssharkins at gmail.com Thu Oct 27 14:42:35 2011 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 15:42:35 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Convert 2007/2010 to 2003 References: <931F83B6ACA24D53997914B5D778E7CD@SusanHarkins> <00c101cc94bc$e1ffec30$a5ffc490$@cox.net> Message-ID: <7A9D3028A75A47BC9247869C0F72B8C5@SusanHarkins> Save & Publish? Oh -- it IS there... just ... why in the world did they put it at the bottom of the list? When I didn't see it with the other Save commands I just figured Access didn't have it. I don't mind the ribbon structure anymore, but geez... that just seems a bit... it doesn't make sense. Thanks! Susan H. > If you go to the File tab and select Save & Publish you will be able to > save > an accdb file as an earlier file type. Takes a while to navigate this new > ribbon/tab structure, particularly if you're like me and your few > remaining > functional neurons were used to menus. From ssharkins at gmail.com Thu Oct 27 14:44:42 2011 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 15:44:42 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Convert 2007/2010 to 2003 References: <931F83B6ACA24D53997914B5D778E7CD@SusanHarkins> Message-ID: <4548CF1FB6914A5D8D9A2CF2A75EB188@SusanHarkins> After working through it again after readying Doug's message, I really feel rather stupid now, because I recall showing this very command to someone else last summer. :( He insisted it couldn't be done and I knew it could. So why the lapse this morning -- oh yeah... it was that fudge. I'd say I needed a vacation, but I really just need a long rest and some strong meds. Susan H. > > On the File Ribbon choose Save & Publish, then highlight Access 2002-2003 > Database (*.mdb) and click the Save As button. > > Asger > -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- > I had fudge after breakfast so I guess I'm just in a diabetic fizzy, > but... can't you demote a 2007/2010 database back to 2003? I can't find a > setting that will convert, within 2010. Am I just missing it or am I > expecting too much? From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Thu Oct 27 15:19:43 2011 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 06:19:43 +1000 Subject: [AccessD] Tab delimited text file In-Reply-To: References: <1DB987E5-91D4-4BA3-B1ED-98D8FA7F2295@zyterra.com>, <354B971B-39DE-4243-A3DA-BFD7A171CBC3@zyterra.com>, Message-ID: <4EA9BCDF.22754.DAFB532@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> And here's a DAO version I've quickly knocked up (not tested): Function ExportTab(RSName As String, FileName As String) As Boolean Dim rs As DAO.Recordset Dim ff As Long Dim x As Long Dim strtemp As String On Error GoTo errtrap ff = FreeFile Set rs = CurrentDb.OpenRecordset(RSName) Open FileName For Output As #ff While Not rs.EOF strtemp = rs(0) For x = 1 To rs.Fields.Count - 1 strtemp = strTemp & vbTab & rs(x) Next strtemp = strtemp & vbCrLf Print #ff, strtemp rs.MoveNext Wend Close #ff rs.Close Set rs = Nothing ExportTab = True Exit Function errtrap: MsgBox "Error: " & Err.Description & " in Function ExportTab()" End Function On 27 Oct 2011 at 15:06, Paul Hartland wrote: > Here is a little function I have quickly knocked together, can't find > my source, but no reason why it shouldn't work, you pass a recordset > to function to export, could also pass the export path name as well if > you wanted: From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Thu Oct 27 15:40:23 2011 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 16:40:23 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Convert 2007/2010 to 2003 In-Reply-To: <4548CF1FB6914A5D8D9A2CF2A75EB188@SusanHarkins> References: <931F83B6ACA24D53997914B5D778E7CD@SusanHarkins> <4548CF1FB6914A5D8D9A2CF2A75EB188@SusanHarkins> Message-ID: <4EA9C1B7.1080106@colbyconsulting.com> LOL. I thought fudge was strong meds. Was it chocolate? ;) John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it On 10/27/2011 3:44 PM, Susan Harkins wrote: > After working through it again after readying Doug's message, I really feel rather stupid now, > because I recall showing this very command to someone else last summer. :( He insisted it couldn't > be done and I knew it could. So why the lapse this morning -- oh yeah... it was that fudge. > > I'd say I needed a vacation, but I really just need a long rest and some strong meds. > > Susan H. > > >> >> On the File Ribbon choose Save & Publish, then highlight Access 2002-2003 Database (*.mdb) and >> click the Save As button. >> >> Asger >> -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- >> I had fudge after breakfast so I guess I'm just in a diabetic fizzy, but... can't you demote a >> 2007/2010 database back to 2003? I can't find a setting that will convert, within 2010. Am I just >> missing it or am I expecting too much? > From Lambert.Heenan at chartisinsurance.com Thu Oct 27 15:49:55 2011 From: Lambert.Heenan at chartisinsurance.com (Heenan, Lambert) Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 16:49:55 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Tab delimited text file In-Reply-To: <4EA9BCDF.22754.DAFB532@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: <1DB987E5-91D4-4BA3-B1ED-98D8FA7F2295@zyterra.com>, <354B971B-39DE-4243-A3DA-BFD7A171CBC3@zyterra.com>, <4EA9BCDF.22754.DAFB532@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: One small bug fix and the addition of the ability to include the field names... Function ExportTab(RSName As String, FileName As String, Optional boolIncludeFieldNames As Boolean = True) As Boolean Dim rs As DAO.Recordset Dim ff As Long Dim x As Long Dim strtemp As String On Error GoTo errtrap ff = FreeFile Set rs = CurrentDb.OpenRecordset(RSName) Open FileName For Output As #ff If boolIncludeFieldNames Then For x = 0 To rs.Fields.Count - 1 strtemp = strtemp & rs.Fields(x).Name If x < rs.Fields.Count - 1 Then strtemp = strtemp & vbTab End If Next x Print #ff, strtemp End If While Not rs.EOF strtemp = rs(0) For x = 1 To rs.Fields.Count - 1 strtemp = strtemp & vbTab & rs(x) Next strtemp = strtemp ' & vbCrLf = don't need this. Print #ff implies a CRLF at the end Print #ff, strtemp rs.MoveNext Wend Close #ff rs.Close Set rs = Nothing ExportTab = True Exit Function errtrap: MsgBox "Error: " & Err.Description & " in Function ExportTab()" End Function Lambert -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2011 4:20 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Tab delimited text file And here's a DAO version I've quickly knocked up (not tested): Function ExportTab(RSName As String, FileName As String) As Boolean Dim rs As DAO.Recordset Dim ff As Long Dim x As Long Dim strtemp As String On Error GoTo errtrap ff = FreeFile Set rs = CurrentDb.OpenRecordset(RSName) Open FileName For Output As #ff While Not rs.EOF strtemp = rs(0) For x = 1 To rs.Fields.Count - 1 strtemp = strTemp & vbTab & rs(x) Next strtemp = strtemp & vbCrLf Print #ff, strtemp rs.MoveNext Wend Close #ff rs.Close Set rs = Nothing ExportTab = True Exit Function errtrap: MsgBox "Error: " & Err.Description & " in Function ExportTab()" End Function On 27 Oct 2011 at 15:06, Paul Hartland wrote: > Here is a little function I have quickly knocked together, can't find > my source, but no reason why it shouldn't work, you pass a recordset > to function to export, could also pass the export path name as well if > you wanted: -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From ssharkins at gmail.com Thu Oct 27 16:12:58 2011 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 17:12:58 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Convert 2007/2010 to 2003 References: <931F83B6ACA24D53997914B5D778E7CD@SusanHarkins><4548CF1FB6914A5D8D9A2CF2A75EB188@SusanHarkins> <4EA9C1B7.1080106@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <5DFBD39E82214578BE63319639B813A9@SusanHarkins> Yes, chocolate walnut. :) You're right, it is strong medicine! ;) They should call me Fudge Woman! Susan H. > LOL. I thought fudge was strong meds. Was it chocolate? > From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Thu Oct 27 16:36:22 2011 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 14:36:22 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Convert 2007/2010 to 2003 In-Reply-To: <5DFBD39E82214578BE63319639B813A9@SusanHarkins> References: <931F83B6ACA24D53997914B5D778E7CD@SusanHarkins><4548CF1FB6914A5D8D9A2CF2A75EB188@SusanHarkins><4EA9C1B7.1080106@colbyconsulting.com> <5DFBD39E82214578BE63319639B813A9@SusanHarkins> Message-ID: Fudge- it's not just for breakfast anymore...or in Kentucky, maybe it is... R -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2011 2:13 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Convert 2007/2010 to 2003 Yes, chocolate walnut. :) You're right, it is strong medicine! ;) They should call me Fudge Woman! Susan H. > LOL. I thought fudge was strong meds. Was it chocolate? > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From ssharkins at gmail.com Thu Oct 27 16:56:14 2011 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 17:56:14 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Convert 2007/2010 to 2003 References: <931F83B6ACA24D53997914B5D778E7CD@SusanHarkins><4548CF1FB6914A5D8D9A2CF2A75EB188@SusanHarkins><4EA9C1B7.1080106@colbyconsulting.com><5DFBD39E82214578BE63319639B813A9@SusanHarkins> Message-ID: <7DDA255BAEAD45569BAA29235DAECFAD@SusanHarkins> Well, I did actually eat breakfast first -- boiled egg and one piece of wheat toast. I earned that fudge buddy... ;) Susan H. > Fudge- it's not just for breakfast anymore...or in Kentucky, maybe it > is... > From ab-mi at post3.tele.dk Thu Oct 27 17:00:24 2011 From: ab-mi at post3.tele.dk (Asger Blond) Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 00:00:24 +0200 Subject: [AccessD] Convert 2007/2010 to 2003 In-Reply-To: <4548CF1FB6914A5D8D9A2CF2A75EB188@SusanHarkins> References: <931F83B6ACA24D53997914B5D778E7CD@SusanHarkins> <4548CF1FB6914A5D8D9A2CF2A75EB188@SusanHarkins> Message-ID: <583166B70BDA4C739F306EA21ADBDCE2@abpc> Intuition was the main reason for Microsoft when replacing the old menu UI with the ribbon UI. As a *design idea* the ribbon UI may be good. But as *implemented* it is just awful - i.e. the opposite of its idea: it's untidy, not intuitive. This is not special for Access - the implementation is just as careless in Excel. Asger -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Susan Harkins Sendt: 27. oktober 2011 21:45 Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Emne: Re: [AccessD] Convert 2007/2010 to 2003 After working through it again after readying Doug's message, I really feel rather stupid now, because I recall showing this very command to someone else last summer. :( He insisted it couldn't be done and I knew it could. So why the lapse this morning -- oh yeah... it was that fudge. I'd say I needed a vacation, but I really just need a long rest and some strong meds. Susan H. > > On the File Ribbon choose Save & Publish, then highlight Access 2002-2003 > Database (*.mdb) and click the Save As button. > > Asger > -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- > I had fudge after breakfast so I guess I'm just in a diabetic fizzy, > but... can't you demote a 2007/2010 database back to 2003? I can't find a > setting that will convert, within 2010. Am I just missing it or am I > expecting too much? -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From ssharkins at gmail.com Thu Oct 27 17:14:59 2011 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 18:14:59 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Convert 2007/2010 to 2003 References: <931F83B6ACA24D53997914B5D778E7CD@SusanHarkins><4548CF1FB6914A5D8D9A2CF2A75EB188@SusanHarkins> <583166B70BDA4C739F306EA21ADBDCE2@abpc> Message-ID: I agreed, initially, but I don't now. Once acclimated, I can pretty much find everything, well, as long as there's no fudge involved. :) Susan H. > Intuition was the main reason for Microsoft when replacing the old menu UI > with the ribbon UI. > As a *design idea* the ribbon UI may be good. But as *implemented* it is > just awful - i.e. the opposite of its idea: it's untidy, not intuitive. > This is not special for Access - the implementation is just as careless in > Excel. > Asger From ab-mi at post3.tele.dk Thu Oct 27 18:13:27 2011 From: ab-mi at post3.tele.dk (Asger Blond) Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 01:13:27 +0200 Subject: [AccessD] Convert 2007/2010 to 2003 In-Reply-To: References: <931F83B6ACA24D53997914B5D778E7CD@SusanHarkins><4548CF1FB6914A5D8D9A2CF2A75EB188@SusanHarkins><583166B70BDA4C739F306EA21ADBDCE2@abpc> Message-ID: <209639D70DD8483A86670FE0B849743B@abpc> You may be acclimated, but please don't loose your critical sense! Problem is: the ribbon exposes a lot of fudge. Just a couple from Excel - You want to create a new macro by using the macro recorder, and you don't have the Developer tab on the ribbon (which is not there by default). By intuition, which tab would you choose? Insert - nope! Formulas - nope! Data - nope! View - off cause!!! You want to insert a new worksheet. Which tab would you choose? Insert - nope! Just to help you I'll tell it's on the Home tab ... so then in which command group would you expect to find something like "insert a new worksheet"? Actually it's in the command group called "Cells" - as if a worksheet is a member of a cell (that's the child-parent issue, and having children I won't advise turning the hierarchy upside down). And now because you turned me on: One of the most productive innovations in Excel 2007/2010 for database folks is a feature called "Format as table". Great feature which has very little to with formatting (among others it makes it easy to insert new rows and columns in a table, and it makes updating a pivot table much easier than before). But where do you find this grand new feature? Data tab - nope! Insert tab - nope! Right answer is Home tab. So advised you have to find the command group on the tab. Nothing seems to match. But actually it's the Styles group, even if this feature has very little to do which styles and formatting. Asger -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Susan Harkins Sendt: 28. oktober 2011 00:15 Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Emne: Re: [AccessD] Convert 2007/2010 to 2003 I agreed, initially, but I don't now. Once acclimated, I can pretty much find everything, well, as long as there's no fudge involved. :) Susan H. > Intuition was the main reason for Microsoft when replacing the old menu UI > with the ribbon UI. > As a *design idea* the ribbon UI may be good. But as *implemented* it is > just awful - i.e. the opposite of its idea: it's untidy, not intuitive. > This is not special for Access - the implementation is just as careless in > Excel. > Asger -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From marksimms at verizon.net Thu Oct 27 19:58:32 2011 From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms) Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 20:58:32 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Convert 2007/2010 to 2003 In-Reply-To: <209639D70DD8483A86670FE0B849743B@abpc> References: <931F83B6ACA24D53997914B5D778E7CD@SusanHarkins><4548CF1FB6914A5D8D9A2CF2A75EB188@SusanHarkins><583166B70BDA4C739F306EA21ADBDCE2@abpc> <209639D70DD8483A86670FE0B849743B@abpc> Message-ID: <001f01cc950c$b7193350$254b99f0$@net> This is the big problem with the ribbon, but if you use it long enough, Knowing which tab to hit gets to be second-hand. > By intuition, which tab would you choose? Insert - nope! > Formulas - nope! Data - nope! View - off cause!!! > You want to insert a new worksheet. Which tab would you choose? Insert > - nope! Just to help you I'll tell it's on the Home tab ... so then in > which command group would you expect to find something like "insert a From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Thu Oct 27 23:35:54 2011 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 00:35:54 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Convert 2007/2010 to 2003 In-Reply-To: <001f01cc950c$b7193350$254b99f0$@net> References: <931F83B6ACA24D53997914B5D778E7CD@SusanHarkins><4548CF1FB6914A5D8D9A2CF2A75EB188@SusanHarkins><583166B70BDA4C739F306EA21ADBDCE2@abpc> <209639D70DD8483A86670FE0B849743B@abpc> <001f01cc950c$b7193350$254b99f0$@net> Message-ID: <4EAA312A.2090201@colbyconsulting.com> One big issue for me is the mouse centric nature of the ribbon. We learn and learn and learn to use the keyboard. Never lift your hands from the keyboard. Hot keys and menus accomplished that. Ribbons destroy that. John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it On 10/27/2011 8:58 PM, Mark Simms wrote: > This is the big problem with the ribbon, but if you use it long enough, > Knowing which tab to hit gets to be second-hand. > >> By intuition, which tab would you choose? Insert - nope! >> Formulas - nope! Data - nope! View - off cause!!! >> You want to insert a new worksheet. Which tab would you choose? Insert >> - nope! Just to help you I'll tell it's on the Home tab ... so then in >> which command group would you expect to find something like "insert a > > From fuller.artful at gmail.com Thu Oct 27 23:42:08 2011 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 00:42:08 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Convert 2007/2010 to 2003 In-Reply-To: References: <931F83B6ACA24D53997914B5D778E7CD@SusanHarkins> <4548CF1FB6914A5D8D9A2CF2A75EB188@SusanHarkins> <583166B70BDA4C739F306EA21ADBDCE2@abpc> Message-ID: Something I only recently (last month) discovered, and by accident: if you hover the mouse over the ribbon and then use the wheel, you can scroll (as it were) through all the ribbon options soooo quickly. This I think is totally cool. If you didn't already know this, try it. Just hover the mouse over the ribbon bar and then use its wheel and wow! Of course, that's just my opinion, it's only Rock and Roll but I like it. A. On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 6:14 PM, Susan Harkins wrote: > I agreed, initially, but I don't now. Once acclimated, I can pretty much > find everything, well, as long as there's no fudge involved. :) > > Susan H. > > > From fuller.artful at gmail.com Fri Oct 28 00:15:07 2011 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 01:15:07 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] OT: Friday Joke Department Hallowe'en Message-ID: To: George Romero From: Arthur Fuller Re: Jesus and Hallowe'en Synopsis: Since Jesus rose from the dead, that would make him the first zombie. It's the perfect cross-over market, especially appealing to young and impressionable teens, and possibly even appealing to the Amish. A horror movie starring Christ as the lead zombie. What a concept! All kinds of scenes about Hell and Damnation, and so on. Big opportunity for 3D graphics... big flames, rotting flesh, lizards eating you, and interior shots of bacteria eating you from inside out.... Totally kewl, and totally Christian! Working title: Night of the Living Christ. Plus we could roll in some comedy: "Mary, could you get my Nikes? These spikes are killing me." Talk about crossover marketing, not to mention hidden sponsorships. We could have a designated airline ready to fly him to Heaven, complete with logos of the jet, and even cross that over to "New York to London or Heavan in just four hours". I can see this working. Have your zombies call mine, and we'll talk. You have talent and a modicum of success, but I can make you rich! Arthur From ssharkins at gmail.com Fri Oct 28 06:45:06 2011 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 07:45:06 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Convert 2007/2010 to 2003 References: <931F83B6ACA24D53997914B5D778E7CD@SusanHarkins><4548CF1FB6914A5D8D9A2CF2A75EB188@SusanHarkins><583166B70BDA4C739F306EA21ADBDCE2@abpc> Message-ID: <0EB08D1696724FCEBA144E94F568E064@SusanHarkins> Arthur, the folks that hate the ribbon are ... they're irate and they're very vocal. They maintain that because few people champion it that everyone hates it. I keep saying that's not exactly true. The people who have adjusted are just going about their work and they don't care about those conversations. :) I might write about this, so thanks for the reminder. I've mentioned it on the blog before, but can't hurt to mention it again. Another good one is minimizing the ribbon -- that's one of the biggest complaints -- that the ribbon takes up so much room. A quick double-click to a tab minimizes and maximizes it. The ^ sign at the right border does the same thing. Kind of beats the drop and drag stuff anyday, but people like what they're use to. I don't blame them for not being thrilled about the move to the ribbon, but ... it is what it is. It's here, it's staying. Susan H. > Something I only recently (last month) discovered, and by accident: if you > hover the mouse over the ribbon and then use the wheel, you can scroll (as > it were) through all the ribbon options soooo quickly. This I think is > totally cool. If you didn't already know this, try it. Just hover the > mouse > over the ribbon bar and then use its wheel and wow! Of course, that's just > my opinion, it's only Rock and Roll but I like it. From fuller.artful at gmail.com Fri Oct 28 06:59:57 2011 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 07:59:57 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Convert 2007/2010 to 2003 In-Reply-To: <0EB08D1696724FCEBA144E94F568E064@SusanHarkins> References: <931F83B6ACA24D53997914B5D778E7CD@SusanHarkins> <4548CF1FB6914A5D8D9A2CF2A75EB188@SusanHarkins> <583166B70BDA4C739F306EA21ADBDCE2@abpc> <0EB08D1696724FCEBA144E94F568E064@SusanHarkins> Message-ID: I think that Micorosft got right in the ribbon design. Yes, it took me a while to get the hang of it, so seasoned am I in the old school of menu design, but persistence and the discovery of the wheel's new power, I find myself a huge fan of this UI. Just my $0.02. A. From jm.hwsn at gmail.com Fri Oct 28 07:33:36 2011 From: jm.hwsn at gmail.com (jm.hwsn) Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 07:33:36 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Convert 2007/2010 to 2003 In-Reply-To: <0EB08D1696724FCEBA144E94F568E064@SusanHarkins> References: <931F83B6ACA24D53997914B5D778E7CD@SusanHarkins><4548CF1FB6914A5D8D9A2CF2A75EB188@SusanHarkins><583166B70BDA4C739F306EA21ADBDCE2@abpc> <0EB08D1696724FCEBA144E94F568E064@SusanHarkins> Message-ID: <4eaaa121.1b08650a.6e69.ffffcca3@mx.google.com> And if you're like John... an accomplished keyboard user. Ctrl-F1 will also minimize or maximize the ribbon. Jim H. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins Sent: Friday, October 28, 2011 6:45 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Convert 2007/2010 to 2003 Arthur, the folks that hate the ribbon are ... they're irate and they're very vocal. They maintain that because few people champion it that everyone hates it. I keep saying that's not exactly true. The people who have adjusted are just going about their work and they don't care about those conversations. :) I might write about this, so thanks for the reminder. I've mentioned it on the blog before, but can't hurt to mention it again. Another good one is minimizing the ribbon -- that's one of the biggest complaints -- that the ribbon takes up so much room. A quick double-click to a tab minimizes and maximizes it. The ^ sign at the right border does the same thing. Kind of beats the drop and drag stuff anyday, but people like what they're use to. I don't blame them for not being thrilled about the move to the ribbon, but ... it is what it is. It's here, it's staying. Susan H. > Something I only recently (last month) discovered, and by accident: if you > hover the mouse over the ribbon and then use the wheel, you can scroll (as > it were) through all the ribbon options soooo quickly. This I think is > totally cool. If you didn't already know this, try it. Just hover the > mouse > over the ribbon bar and then use its wheel and wow! Of course, that's just > my opinion, it's only Rock and Roll but I like it. -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Gustav at cactus.dk Fri Oct 28 07:38:14 2011 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 14:38:14 +0200 Subject: [AccessD] Convert 2007/2010 to 2003 Message-ID: Hi Susan That's my experience too. Users get used to the ribbon and most new machines have a preinstalled Office 2010 ... slowly the menus become "old-school". In PowerPoint which I rarely use, the ribbon is a life-saver for me. Every feature is at hand with dynamic preview - for once I experienced to be in control at the first meeting with a powerful application. I have yet to experience the scroll feature mentioned by Arthur. /gustav >>> ssharkins at gmail.com 28-10-2011 13:45 >>> Arthur, the folks that hate the ribbon are ... they're irate and they're very vocal. They maintain that because few people champion it that everyone hates it. I keep saying that's not exactly true. The people who have adjusted are just going about their work and they don't care about those conversations. :) I might write about this, so thanks for the reminder. I've mentioned it on the blog before, but can't hurt to mention it again. Another good one is minimizing the ribbon -- that's one of the biggest complaints -- that the ribbon takes up so much room. A quick double-click to a tab minimizes and maximizes it. The ^ sign at the right border does the same thing. Kind of beats the drop and drag stuff anyday, but people like what they're use to. I don't blame them for not being thrilled about the move to the ribbon, but ... it is what it is. It's here, it's staying. Susan H. > Something I only recently (last month) discovered, and by accident: if you > hover the mouse over the ribbon and then use the wheel, you can scroll (as > it were) through all the ribbon options soooo quickly. This I think is > totally cool. If you didn't already know this, try it. Just hover the mouse > over the ribbon bar and then use its wheel and wow! Of course, that's just > my opinion, it's only Rock and Roll but I like it. From marksimms at verizon.net Fri Oct 28 08:06:16 2011 From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms) Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 09:06:16 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Convert 2007/2010 to 2003 In-Reply-To: <4EAA312A.2090201@colbyconsulting.com> References: <931F83B6ACA24D53997914B5D778E7CD@SusanHarkins><4548CF1FB6914A5D8D9A2CF2A75EB188@SusanHarkins><583166B70BDA4C739F306EA21ADBDCE2@abpc> <209639D70DD8483A86670FE0B849743B@abpc> <001f01cc950c$b7193350$254b99f0$@net> <4EAA312A.2090201@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <001a01cc9572$61562e30$24028a90$@net> John - there are hot-keys. In fact in my applications, I try to establish them for the users...however, it's tricky because some appear to be reserved. What's really needed is a lot more documentation...of course. The RibbonX book was good, but it still (after 800+ pages !) was not enough for me. The problem is: there's so very few Access developers remaining that use 2007, and even less that use 2010. In fact, this post: http://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forums/en/accessdev/thread/422e15f1-9a44-4e 0c-bd1c-9b878ac12f06 seems to indicate that those trying 2010, are going back to 2003 !! Me ? I love the challenge of "working around" the bugs. Others ?:NO TOLERANCE. > One big issue for me is the mouse centric nature of the ribbon. We > learn and learn and learn to use > the keyboard. Never lift your hands from the keyboard. Hot keys and > menus accomplished that. > Ribbons destroy that. From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Fri Oct 28 09:03:38 2011 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 10:03:38 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Convert 2007/2010 to 2003 In-Reply-To: <4eaaa121.1b08650a.6e69.ffffcca3@mx.google.com> References: <931F83B6ACA24D53997914B5D778E7CD@SusanHarkins><4548CF1FB6914A5D8D9A2CF2A75EB188@SusanHarkins><583166B70BDA4C739F306EA21ADBDCE2@abpc> <0EB08D1696724FCEBA144E94F568E064@SusanHarkins> <4eaaa121.1b08650a.6e69.ffffcca3@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <4EAAB63A.3030705@colbyconsulting.com> And when the toolbar is minimized are all of the hotkeys back? The menus actually responded to the hotkeys, dropping down the menu, pulling out the submenu items etc. A visual response to what the hotkey was doing for you (when it was menu items of course). John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it On 10/28/2011 8:33 AM, jm.hwsn wrote: > And if you're like John... an accomplished keyboard user. > Ctrl-F1 will also minimize or maximize the ribbon. > > Jim H. > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins > Sent: Friday, October 28, 2011 6:45 AM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Convert 2007/2010 to 2003 > > Arthur, the folks that hate the ribbon are ... they're irate and they're > very vocal. They maintain that because few people champion it that everyone > hates it. I keep saying that's not exactly true. The people who have > adjusted are just going about their work and they don't care about those > conversations. :) > > I might write about this, so thanks for the reminder. I've mentioned it on > the blog before, but can't hurt to mention it again. Another good one is > minimizing the ribbon -- that's one of the biggest complaints -- that the > ribbon takes up so much room. A quick double-click to a tab minimizes and > maximizes it. The ^ sign at the right border does the same thing. Kind of > beats the drop and drag stuff anyday, but people like what they're use to. I > > don't blame them for not being thrilled about the move to the ribbon, but > ... it is what it is. It's here, it's staying. > > Susan H. > > >> Something I only recently (last month) discovered, and by accident: if you >> hover the mouse over the ribbon and then use the wheel, you can scroll (as >> it were) through all the ribbon options soooo quickly. This I think is >> totally cool. If you didn't already know this, try it. Just hover the >> mouse >> over the ribbon bar and then use its wheel and wow! Of course, that's just >> my opinion, it's only Rock and Roll but I like it. > From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Fri Oct 28 09:10:34 2011 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 10:10:34 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] firefox recent browse history Message-ID: <4EAAB7DA.4020405@colbyconsulting.com> In previous versions of Firefox there was a drop down arrow next to the back / forward buttons in the address bar. That drop down would allow you to see and move directly to a recently browsed page. For example I go to a review, I go through 16 pages of the review, I can then drop down this history arrow and see the page 16 pages back and go there directly to "reset" my location. I am now back in that browse location and can page forward or back from that browse location. Now I have to "page back" 16 times to get back to the point where I started reading this review. That is a huge step backwards to me in terms of convenience. Is that old history control available anymore? Can I get it back somehow? -- John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Fri Oct 28 09:26:24 2011 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 10:26:24 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Convert 2007/2010 to 2003 In-Reply-To: <001a01cc9572$61562e30$24028a90$@net> References: <931F83B6ACA24D53997914B5D778E7CD@SusanHarkins><4548CF1FB6914A5D8D9A2CF2A75EB188@SusanHarkins><583166B70BDA4C739F306EA21ADBDCE2@abpc> <209639D70DD8483A86670FE0B849743B@abpc> <001f01cc950c$b7193350$254b99f0$@net> <4EAA312A.2090201@colbyconsulting.com> <001a01cc9572$61562e30$24028a90$@net> Message-ID: <4EAABB90.6090102@colbyconsulting.com> Mark, I fall in the no tolerance category. I tend to love new stuff, but I also have to make a living and when things just cripple my productivity I move slowly. When bugs cripple my productivity I just wait for the bugs to go away before I go there. When they don't fix the bugs I don't go there at all. Office 2000 was a huge rewrite of 97, but buggy. Office 2002 (XP) was just a massive bug fix. Office 2003 was another massive bug fix. Office 2007 was a massive bug injection. Office 2010 was another massive bug injection. Say what you want but (like Windows XP) Office 2003 was the most stable version of the product they ever released. IMHO Windows 2007 has achieved that "very stable" status and I am now moving all my machines to Windows 2007. IMHO Office 2007 has not reached that status. They never fixed the bugs before they released Office 2010, and Office 2010 added new bugs on top of the bugs introduced (and not fixed) in Office 2007. So I wait. For development Office 2003 is rock solid and stable and (mostly) just runs under Office 2007. I actually do use Office 2007 runtime because it gives me "free license" to distribute the app, but I do the dev under Office 2003 and then just test under Office 2007. John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it On 10/28/2011 9:06 AM, Mark Simms wrote: > John - there are hot-keys. In fact in my applications, I try to establish > them for the users...however, it's tricky because some appear to be > reserved. What's really needed is a lot more documentation...of course. > The RibbonX book was good, but it still (after 800+ pages !) was not enough > for me. > The problem is: there's so very few Access developers remaining that use > 2007, and even less that use 2010. > In fact, this post: > http://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forums/en/accessdev/thread/422e15f1-9a44-4e > 0c-bd1c-9b878ac12f06 > seems to indicate that those trying 2010, are going back to 2003 !! > Me ? I love the challenge of "working around" the bugs. Others ?:NO > TOLERANCE. > >> One big issue for me is the mouse centric nature of the ribbon. We >> learn and learn and learn to use >> the keyboard. Never lift your hands from the keyboard. Hot keys and >> menus accomplished that. >> Ribbons destroy that. > > From dnod at aol.com Fri Oct 28 09:39:38 2011 From: dnod at aol.com (Dean Davids) Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 10:39:38 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Convert 2007/2010 to 2003 In-Reply-To: <4EAABB90.6090102@colbyconsulting.com> References: <931F83B6ACA24D53997914B5D778E7CD@SusanHarkins> <4548CF1FB6914A5D8D9A2CF2A75EB188@SusanHarkins> <583166B70BDA4C739F306EA21ADBDCE2@abpc> <209639D70DD8483A86670FE0B849743B@abpc> <001f01cc950c$b7193350$254b99f0$@net> <4EAA312A.2090201@colbyconsulting.com> <001a01cc9572$61562e30$24028a90$@net> <4EAABB90.6090102@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <37C0EC0D-76AD-48C0-8067-B915D58A15BE@aol.com> I am right with you, John. I stuck with 97 for the longest time and will do the same now with 2003. Dean S. Davids www.cmbscorp.com 954-868-4421 On Oct 28, 2011, at 10:26 AM, jwcolby wrote: > Mark, > > I fall in the no tolerance category. I tend to love new stuff, but I also have to make a living and when things just cripple my productivity I move slowly. When bugs cripple my productivity I just wait for the bugs to go away before I go there. When they don't fix the bugs I don't go there at all. > > Office 2000 was a huge rewrite of 97, but buggy. Office 2002 (XP) was just a massive bug fix. Office 2003 was another massive bug fix. Office 2007 was a massive bug injection. Office 2010 was another massive bug injection. > > Say what you want but (like Windows XP) Office 2003 was the most stable version of the product they ever released. IMHO Windows 2007 has achieved that "very stable" status and I am now moving all my machines to Windows 2007. > > IMHO Office 2007 has not reached that status. They never fixed the bugs before they released Office 2010, and Office 2010 added new bugs on top of the bugs introduced (and not fixed) in Office 2007. > > So I wait. For development Office 2003 is rock solid and stable and (mostly) just runs under Office 2007. I actually do use Office 2007 runtime because it gives me "free license" to distribute the app, but I do the dev under Office 2003 and then just test under Office 2007. > > John W. Colby > Colby Consulting > > Reality is what refuses to go away > when you do not believe in it > > On 10/28/2011 9:06 AM, Mark Simms wrote: >> John - there are hot-keys. In fact in my applications, I try to establish >> them for the users...however, it's tricky because some appear to be >> reserved. What's really needed is a lot more documentation...of course. >> The RibbonX book was good, but it still (after 800+ pages !) was not enough >> for me. >> The problem is: there's so very few Access developers remaining that use >> 2007, and even less that use 2010. >> In fact, this post: >> http://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forums/en/accessdev/thread/422e15f1-9a44-4e >> 0c-bd1c-9b878ac12f06 >> seems to indicate that those trying 2010, are going back to 2003 !! >> Me ? I love the challenge of "working around" the bugs. Others ?:NO >> TOLERANCE. >> >>> One big issue for me is the mouse centric nature of the ribbon. We >>> learn and learn and learn to use >>> the keyboard. Never lift your hands from the keyboard. Hot keys and >>> menus accomplished that. >>> Ribbons destroy that. >> >> > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jedi at charm.net Fri Oct 28 11:31:27 2011 From: jedi at charm.net (Michael Bahr) Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 12:31:27 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [AccessD] firefox recent browse history In-Reply-To: <4EAAB7DA.4020405@colbyconsulting.com> References: <4EAAB7DA.4020405@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <1128.24.35.110.201.1319819487.squirrel@mail.expedient.net> You must be using 4.0. :-( Mike... > In previous versions of Firefox there was a drop down arrow next to the > back / forward buttons in > the address bar. That drop down would allow you to see and move directly > to a recently browsed > page. For example I go to a review, I go through 16 pages of the review, > I can then drop down this > history arrow and see the page 16 pages back and go there directly to > "reset" my location. I am now > back in that browse location and can page forward or back from that browse > location. > > Now I have to "page back" 16 times to get back to the point where I > started reading this review. > That is a huge step backwards to me in terms of convenience. > > Is that old history control available anymore? Can I get it back somehow? > > -- > John W. Colby > Colby Consulting > > Reality is what refuses to go away > when you do not believe in it > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From Lambert.Heenan at chartisinsurance.com Fri Oct 28 12:15:33 2011 From: Lambert.Heenan at chartisinsurance.com (Heenan, Lambert) Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 13:15:33 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Convert 2007/2010 to 2003 In-Reply-To: <4EAAB63A.3030705@colbyconsulting.com> References: <931F83B6ACA24D53997914B5D778E7CD@SusanHarkins><4548CF1FB6914A5D8D9A2CF2A75EB188@SusanHarkins><583166B70BDA4C739F306EA21ADBDCE2@abpc> <0EB08D1696724FCEBA144E94F568E064@SusanHarkins> <4eaaa121.1b08650a.6e69.ffffcca3@mx.google.com> <4EAAB63A.3030705@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: Mozilla has taken a leaf out of the Chrome book. To access a tab's history list click the back or forward arrows and hold the mouse button down. After a moment or two you will see the list of sites you can choose from. Lambert -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: Friday, October 28, 2011 10:04 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Convert 2007/2010 to 2003 And when the toolbar is minimized are all of the hotkeys back? The menus actually responded to the hotkeys, dropping down the menu, pulling out the submenu items etc. A visual response to what the hotkey was doing for you (when it was menu items of course). John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it On 10/28/2011 8:33 AM, jm.hwsn wrote: > And if you're like John... an accomplished keyboard user. > Ctrl-F1 will also minimize or maximize the ribbon. > > Jim H. > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan > Harkins > Sent: Friday, October 28, 2011 6:45 AM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Convert 2007/2010 to 2003 > > Arthur, the folks that hate the ribbon are ... they're irate and > they're very vocal. They maintain that because few people champion it > that everyone hates it. I keep saying that's not exactly true. The > people who have adjusted are just going about their work and they > don't care about those conversations. :) > > I might write about this, so thanks for the reminder. I've mentioned > it on the blog before, but can't hurt to mention it again. Another > good one is minimizing the ribbon -- that's one of the biggest > complaints -- that the ribbon takes up so much room. A quick > double-click to a tab minimizes and maximizes it. The ^ sign at the > right border does the same thing. Kind of beats the drop and drag > stuff anyday, but people like what they're use to. I > > don't blame them for not being thrilled about the move to the ribbon, > but ... it is what it is. It's here, it's staying. > > Susan H. > > >> Something I only recently (last month) discovered, and by accident: >> if you hover the mouse over the ribbon and then use the wheel, you >> can scroll (as it were) through all the ribbon options soooo quickly. >> This I think is totally cool. If you didn't already know this, try >> it. Just hover the mouse over the ribbon bar and then use its wheel >> and wow! Of course, that's just my opinion, it's only Rock and Roll >> but I like it. > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Fri Oct 28 12:51:16 2011 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 13:51:16 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Office 2010 outlook Message-ID: <4EAAEB94.2010806@colbyconsulting.com> Does this not have an object library? I program to the Outlook library. I have 2003 installed and 2010 installed. BOTH outlooks appear to be installed although in the past the install clearly prevented this and actively uninstalled the other, if you know what I mean. In Access code references I have Microsoft Outlook 11.0 object library checked, and I get no compile errors but it gives an error if I try to run the code. 11.0 reference says it is in the 2003 install directory. I don't find another outlook object library at all although Outlook 2010 actually runs. Is this a reinstall thing? -- John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it From marksimms at verizon.net Fri Oct 28 12:52:41 2011 From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms) Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 13:52:41 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Convert 2007/2010 to 2003 In-Reply-To: <4EAABB90.6090102@colbyconsulting.com> References: <931F83B6ACA24D53997914B5D778E7CD@SusanHarkins><4548CF1FB6914A5D8D9A2CF2A75EB188@SusanHarkins><583166B70BDA4C739F306EA21ADBDCE2@abpc> <209639D70DD8483A86670FE0B849743B@abpc> <001f01cc950c$b7193350$254b99f0$@net> <4EAA312A.2090201@colbyconsulting.com> <001a01cc9572$61562e30$24028a90$@net> <4EAABB90.6090102@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <005701cc959a$6409ae40$2c1d0ac0$@net> John - I've done all I can to move Microsoft into the direction of quality with their products. Their corporate "culture" seems to be running against this concept. This would explain why their stock price has languished for a decade. Bill Gates started with the philosophy of writing it so it was "good enough, not perfect". Unfortunately, the "good enough" standard at MSFT is now very much lower than when he was in charge. From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Fri Oct 28 12:53:02 2011 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 13:53:02 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Further to outlook problem Message-ID: <4EAAEBFE.1080603@colbyconsulting.com> Mapi32.dll is corrupt ot wrong version. -- John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it From ssharkins at gmail.com Fri Oct 28 13:01:02 2011 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 14:01:02 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Office 2010 outlook References: <4EAAEB94.2010806@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: You can't install two versions of Outlook on the same system. Susan H. > Does this not have an object library? I program to the Outlook library. > I have 2003 installed and 2010 installed. BOTH outlooks appear to be > installed although in the past the install clearly prevented this and > actively uninstalled the other, if you know what I mean. > > In Access code references I have Microsoft Outlook 11.0 object library > checked, and I get no compile errors but it gives an error if I try to run > the code. 11.0 reference says it is in the 2003 install directory. I > don't find another outlook object library at all although Outlook 2010 > actually runs. > > Is this a reinstall thing? From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Fri Oct 28 13:37:52 2011 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 14:37:52 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Office 2010 outlook In-Reply-To: References: <4EAAEB94.2010806@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <4EAAF680.6030604@colbyconsulting.com> I got news for ya... the install is not doing its job. John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it On 10/28/2011 2:01 PM, Susan Harkins wrote: > You can't install two versions of Outlook on the same system. > > Susan H. > > >> Does this not have an object library? I program to the Outlook library. I have 2003 installed and >> 2010 installed. BOTH outlooks appear to be installed although in the past the install clearly >> prevented this and actively uninstalled the other, if you know what I mean. >> >> In Access code references I have Microsoft Outlook 11.0 object library checked, and I get no >> compile errors but it gives an error if I try to run the code. 11.0 reference says it is in the >> 2003 install directory. I don't find another outlook object library at all although Outlook 2010 >> actually runs. >> >> Is this a reinstall thing? > From ssharkins at gmail.com Fri Oct 28 13:55:38 2011 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 14:55:38 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Office 2010 outlook References: <4EAAEB94.2010806@colbyconsulting.com> <4EAAF680.6030604@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <4C73E508C6D8402DA84E078112A0B18E@SusanHarkins> It shouldn't give you an option to install a new version while keeping the old one -- did it do that? It's been so long ago, I don't really recall, but the cold hard fact is, you can't run two versions on the same system. I'd uninstall both and start over. Susan H. >I got news for ya... > > the install is not doing its job. > > John W. Colby > Colby Consulting > > Reality is what refuses to go away > when you do not believe in it > > On 10/28/2011 2:01 PM, Susan Harkins wrote: >> You can't install two versions of Outlook on the same system. >> >> Susan H. >> From john at winhaven.net Fri Oct 28 15:14:02 2011 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 15:14:02 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Office 2010 outlook In-Reply-To: <4C73E508C6D8402DA84E078112A0B18E@SusanHarkins> References: <4EAAEB94.2010806@colbyconsulting.com> <4EAAF680.6030604@colbyconsulting.com> <4C73E508C6D8402DA84E078112A0B18E@SusanHarkins> Message-ID: <032701cc95ae$229bb660$67d32320$@winhaven.net> You're right Susan. I've tried to keep the old version and it wouldn't allow it. I'm guessing JC has got a botched install or uninstall. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins Sent: Friday, October 28, 2011 1:56 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Office 2010 outlook It shouldn't give you an option to install a new version while keeping the old one -- did it do that? It's been so long ago, I don't really recall, but the cold hard fact is, you can't run two versions on the same system. I'd uninstall both and start over. Susan H. >I got news for ya... > > the install is not doing its job. > > John W. Colby > Colby Consulting > > Reality is what refuses to go away > when you do not believe in it > > On 10/28/2011 2:01 PM, Susan Harkins wrote: >> You can't install two versions of Outlook on the same system. >> >> Susan H. >> -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Lambert.Heenan at chartisinsurance.com Fri Oct 28 15:37:34 2011 From: Lambert.Heenan at chartisinsurance.com (Heenan, Lambert) Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 16:37:34 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] firefox recent browse history In-Reply-To: <1128.24.35.110.201.1319819487.squirrel@mail.expedient.net> References: <4EAAB7DA.4020405@colbyconsulting.com> <1128.24.35.110.201.1319819487.squirrel@mail.expedient.net> Message-ID: Mozilla has taken a leaf out of the Chrome book. To access a tab's history list click the back or forward arrows and hold the mouse button down. After a moment or two you will see the list of sites you can choose from. Lambert -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Michael Bahr Sent: Friday, October 28, 2011 12:31 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] firefox recent browse history You must be using 4.0. :-( Mike... > In previous versions of Firefox there was a drop down arrow next to > the back / forward buttons in the address bar. That drop down would > allow you to see and move directly to a recently browsed page. For > example I go to a review, I go through 16 pages of the review, I can > then drop down this history arrow and see the page 16 pages back and > go there directly to "reset" my location. I am now back in that > browse location and can page forward or back from that browse > location. > > Now I have to "page back" 16 times to get back to the point where I > started reading this review. > That is a huge step backwards to me in terms of convenience. > > Is that old history control available anymore? Can I get it back somehow? > > -- > John W. Colby > Colby Consulting > > Reality is what refuses to go away > when you do not believe in it > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Fri Oct 28 17:48:48 2011 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2011 08:48:48 +1000 Subject: [AccessD] Convert 2007/2010 to 2003 In-Reply-To: <4EAABB90.6090102@colbyconsulting.com> References: <931F83B6ACA24D53997914B5D778E7CD@SusanHarkins>, <001a01cc9572$61562e30$24028a90$@net>, <4EAABB90.6090102@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <4EAB3150.17412.135E85A8@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Hear, Hear! -- Stuart On 28 Oct 2011 at 10:26, jwcolby wrote: > Mark, > > I fall in the no tolerance category. I tend to love new stuff, but I > also have to make a living and when things just cripple my > productivity I move slowly. When bugs cripple my productivity I just > wait for the bugs to go away before I go there. When they don't fix > the bugs I don't go there at all. > > Office 2000 was a huge rewrite of 97, but buggy. Office 2002 (XP) was > just a massive bug fix. Office 2003 was another massive bug fix. > Office 2007 was a massive bug injection. Office 2010 was another > massive bug injection. > > Say what you want but (like Windows XP) Office 2003 was the most > stable version of the product they ever released. IMHO Windows 2007 > has achieved that "very stable" status and I am now moving all my > machines to Windows 2007. > > IMHO Office 2007 has not reached that status. They never fixed the > bugs before they released Office 2010, and Office 2010 added new bugs > on top of the bugs introduced (and not fixed) in Office 2007. > > So I wait. For development Office 2003 is rock solid and stable and > (mostly) just runs under Office 2007. I actually do use Office 2007 > runtime because it gives me "free license" to distribute the app, but > I do the dev under Office 2003 and then just test under Office 2007. > > John W. Colby > Colby Consulting > > Reality is what refuses to go away > when you do not believe in it > > On 10/28/2011 9:06 AM, Mark Simms wrote: > > John - there are hot-keys. In fact in my applications, I try to > > establish them for the users...however, it's tricky because some > > appear to be reserved. What's really needed is a lot more > > documentation...of course. The RibbonX book was good, but it still > > (after 800+ pages !) was not enough for me. The problem is: there's > > so very few Access developers remaining that use 2007, and even less > > that use 2010. In fact, this post: > > http://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forums/en/accessdev/thread/422e15f1 > > -9a44-4e 0c-bd1c-9b878ac12f06 seems to indicate that those trying > > 2010, are going back to 2003 !! Me ? I love the challenge of > > "working around" the bugs. Others ?:NO TOLERANCE. > > > >> One big issue for me is the mouse centric nature of the ribbon. We > >> learn and learn and learn to use the keyboard. Never lift your > >> hands from the keyboard. Hot keys and menus accomplished that. > >> Ribbons destroy that. > > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From kismert at gmail.com Fri Oct 28 18:20:06 2011 From: kismert at gmail.com (Kenneth Ismert) Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 18:20:06 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Convert 2007/2010 to 2003 Message-ID: > > Asger Blond: > Intuition was the main reason for Microsoft when replacing the old menu UI > with the ribbon UI. > As a *design idea* the ribbon UI may be good. But as *implemented* it is > just awful - i.e. the opposite of its idea: it's untidy, not intuitive. > This is not special for Access - the implementation is just as careless in > Excel. > With the ribbon, Microsoft completely catered to new users at the expense of its huge existing base. The more of an Office power user you are, the harder the transition is. But the real poke in the eye is that they didn't even bother to provide a transition tool -- something that would let you pick an option in the old menu structure, then dynamically show it's new location in the ribbon. Does such a utility exist? From kismert at gmail.com Fri Oct 28 18:22:44 2011 From: kismert at gmail.com (Kenneth Ismert) Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 18:22:44 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] firefox recent browse history Message-ID: > > jwcolby > ... > Is that old history control available anymore? Can I get it back somehow? > In my Firefox 7 instance, I can right-click on the 'Forward' and 'Back' buttons, and get a history dropdown. Does this fit the bill? From ab-mi at post3.tele.dk Fri Oct 28 19:24:07 2011 From: ab-mi at post3.tele.dk (Asger Blond) Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2011 02:24:07 +0200 Subject: [AccessD] Convert 2007/2010 to 2003 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4BE155FDE4914E34A8EAADD1B7C72182@abpc> Several utilities exist for this. I.e.: http://www.addintools.com/english/menuoffice/ Asger -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Kenneth Ismert Sendt: 29. oktober 2011 01:20 Til: accessd at databaseadvisors.com Emne: Re: [AccessD] Convert 2007/2010 to 2003 > > Asger Blond: > Intuition was the main reason for Microsoft when replacing the old menu UI > with the ribbon UI. > As a *design idea* the ribbon UI may be good. But as *implemented* it is > just awful - i.e. the opposite of its idea: it's untidy, not intuitive. > This is not special for Access - the implementation is just as careless in > Excel. > With the ribbon, Microsoft completely catered to new users at the expense of its huge existing base. The more of an Office power user you are, the harder the transition is. But the real poke in the eye is that they didn't even bother to provide a transition tool -- something that would let you pick an option in the old menu structure, then dynamically show it's new location in the ribbon. Does such a utility exist? -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From ab-mi at post3.tele.dk Fri Oct 28 19:41:16 2011 From: ab-mi at post3.tele.dk (Asger Blond) Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2011 02:41:16 +0200 Subject: [AccessD] Convert 2007/2010 to 2003 In-Reply-To: <4EAA312A.2090201@colbyconsulting.com> References: <931F83B6ACA24D53997914B5D778E7CD@SusanHarkins><4548CF1FB6914A5D8D9A2CF2A75EB188@SusanHarkins><583166B70BDA4C739F306EA21ADBDCE2@abpc><209639D70DD8483A86670FE0B849743B@abpc><001f01cc950c$b7193350$254b99f0$@net> <4EAA312A.2090201@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: You can sure use hot keys in 2007/2010: Press Alt key, then press the shown keys on the ribbon. Also you are free to add all "old" features by adding them to the "Quick Access Toolbar" on the top of our Office screen. That's great. What I was complaining was not the ribbon UI *per se*, but its *sloppy* implementation in Office 2007/2010. Asger -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af jwcolby Sendt: 28. oktober 2011 06:36 Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Emne: Re: [AccessD] Convert 2007/2010 to 2003 One big issue for me is the mouse centric nature of the ribbon. We learn and learn and learn to use the keyboard. Never lift your hands from the keyboard. Hot keys and menus accomplished that. Ribbons destroy that. John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it On 10/27/2011 8:58 PM, Mark Simms wrote: > This is the big problem with the ribbon, but if you use it long enough, > Knowing which tab to hit gets to be second-hand. > >> By intuition, which tab would you choose? Insert - nope! >> Formulas - nope! Data - nope! View - off cause!!! >> You want to insert a new worksheet. Which tab would you choose? Insert >> - nope! Just to help you I'll tell it's on the Home tab ... so then in >> which command group would you expect to find something like "insert a > > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From kvanhuss at airrsystem.com Fri Oct 28 20:58:10 2011 From: kvanhuss at airrsystem.com (Kenneth W Van Huss) Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 20:58:10 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Excel Subtotal from Access/VBA Message-ID: This is eating my lunch. I am trying to calculate a subtotal in an Excel spreadsheet via automation/VBA Code: Select all With ApXL .Range("A2").Select .Selection.Subtotal GroupBy:=4, Function:=xlSum, TotalList:=Array(12), _ Replace:=True, PageBreaks:=False, SummaryBelowData:=True .ActiveSheet.Outline.ShowLevels RowLevels:=2 .Columns("L:L").Style = "Currency" .Rows("1:1").Font.Bold = True End With I keep getting an error on the ".Selection.sub . .." line. The error message is "The command could not be completed by using the range specified. Select a single cell within the range and try the command again." Any help is greatly appreciated. Ken From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Fri Oct 28 21:51:18 2011 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 22:51:18 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] firefox recent browse history In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4EAB6A26.4070706@colbyconsulting.com> Yes, that is exactly what I was looking for. There used to be a dedicated down arrow control which was removed. I never tried to right click the arrow buttons. Thanks! John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it On 10/28/2011 7:22 PM, Kenneth Ismert wrote: >> >> jwcolby >> ... >> Is that old history control available anymore? Can I get it back somehow? >> > > In my Firefox 7 instance, I can right-click on the 'Forward' and 'Back' > buttons, and get a history dropdown. > > Does this fit the bill? From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Fri Oct 28 21:54:59 2011 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 22:54:59 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] firefox recent browse history In-Reply-To: <1128.24.35.110.201.1319819487.squirrel@mail.expedient.net> References: <4EAAB7DA.4020405@colbyconsulting.com> <1128.24.35.110.201.1319819487.squirrel@mail.expedient.net> Message-ID: <4EAB6B03.1000902@colbyconsulting.com> Nope, 7.0.1. And two right answers so far, Right click the arrows or Click and hold the arrows I never tried either of those things. Thanks guys! John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it On 10/28/2011 12:31 PM, Michael Bahr wrote: > You must be using 4.0. :-( > > Mike... > >> In previous versions of Firefox there was a drop down arrow next to the >> back / forward buttons in >> the address bar. That drop down would allow you to see and move directly >> to a recently browsed >> page. For example I go to a review, I go through 16 pages of the review, >> I can then drop down this >> history arrow and see the page 16 pages back and go there directly to >> "reset" my location. I am now >> back in that browse location and can page forward or back from that browse >> location. >> >> Now I have to "page back" 16 times to get back to the point where I >> started reading this review. >> That is a huge step backwards to me in terms of convenience. >> >> Is that old history control available anymore? Can I get it back somehow? >> >> -- >> John W. Colby >> Colby Consulting >> >> Reality is what refuses to go away >> when you do not believe in it >> -- >> AccessD mailing list >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> > > From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Fri Oct 28 21:55:51 2011 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 22:55:51 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] firefox recent browse history In-Reply-To: References: <4EAAB7DA.4020405@colbyconsulting.com> <1128.24.35.110.201.1319819487.squirrel@mail.expedient.net> Message-ID: <4EAB6B37.7040303@colbyconsulting.com> This method pins the list down which is nice. John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it On 10/28/2011 4:37 PM, Heenan, Lambert wrote: > Mozilla has taken a leaf out of the Chrome book. To access a tab's history list click the back or forward arrows and hold the mouse button down. After a moment or two you will see the list of sites you can choose from. > > Lambert > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Michael Bahr > Sent: Friday, October 28, 2011 12:31 PM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] firefox recent browse history > > You must be using 4.0. :-( > > Mike... > >> In previous versions of Firefox there was a drop down arrow next to >> the back / forward buttons in the address bar. That drop down would >> allow you to see and move directly to a recently browsed page. For >> example I go to a review, I go through 16 pages of the review, I can >> then drop down this history arrow and see the page 16 pages back and >> go there directly to "reset" my location. I am now back in that >> browse location and can page forward or back from that browse >> location. >> >> Now I have to "page back" 16 times to get back to the point where I >> started reading this review. >> That is a huge step backwards to me in terms of convenience. >> >> Is that old history control available anymore? Can I get it back somehow? >> >> -- >> John W. Colby >> Colby Consulting >> >> Reality is what refuses to go away >> when you do not believe in it >> -- >> AccessD mailing list >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From kvanhuss at airrsystem.com Fri Oct 28 22:14:13 2011 From: kvanhuss at airrsystem.com (Kenneth W Van Huss) Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 22:14:13 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Developer, programmer position available Message-ID: Drew Wutka's former boss contacted me and ask if I would let the group know that he is seeking someone to take over some of Drew's responsibility, with expanded scope including domestic and international travel. Below is a summary of the job posting: Job Duties/Functions: . Analyze requirements, design appropriate solutions, develop programs, systems, forms, and databases to fulfill the requirements and needs of the company and users at Marlow Industries. Exchange Administration. Intranet Web server Administration Job Requirements: . BS degree or equivalent technical training and certifications . Five years experience in application software development and support . Must possess adequate knowledge of script writing . Must be proficient in Microsoft Sharepoint . Excellent customer service skills including telephone techniques, listening skills, . Excellent interpersonal and communication skills; . Familiarity with administration and support of voice communications . Demonstrated problem solving and work prioritization skills . Willing to travel, domestic and international . Due to ITAR compliance, this position requires candidates to be a U.S. Citizen, Permanent Resident Alien, or Protected Individual per 8 U.S.C. 1324b(a)(3). Marlow is an Equal Opportunity Employer Position is located in Dallas. I worked for Marlow way back in 2001 and they are good company. If I can help, please feel free to contact me. Kenneth Van Huss From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Fri Oct 28 22:22:35 2011 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 23:22:35 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] OK so Windows 7 has issues too Message-ID: <4EAB717B.5090508@colbyconsulting.com> :) Actually I am not sure where the problem lies. I am trying to see all the machines on my network. This is a workgroup and everyone except my UnRaid Linux server (Tower) belong to the same workgroup. 1) In my 2008R2 server (Hyper-V server) I see 12 machines if you ignore the tsclient. This includes Tower and three VMs. 2) In Azul (Windows 2008) I see 12 machines - same as 1 above. 3) In my new Windows 7 Home premium I see 7 machines. Missing are Azul (Windows 2008), both HTPC machines (also Windows 7), one of my VMs (Windows 2003) and both windows xp machines. 4) In a Windows 7 Professional VM I see 7 machines. Missing are the Windows 7 HTPCs and the two XP machines. I found something (very crude) that would find every IP address on the network and from my new laptop everything does show up, and I can ping everything but everything does not show in the network map. Another PFM thing going on here. If I know the computer name I can remote desktop in to all of them (except the Windows 7 home machines of course) so everything is definitely out there, just not visible. that kinda sucks because I often share and push files around to machines based on the shares. That just made me wonder if the machines that are missing might not have any shares or something. But why do both Server 2008 machines (on opposite physical ends of the network) see every single machine on the network, but the Windows 7 Home laptop plugged into the same switch as the Hyper-v Server 2008 machine only show 7 machines? Sing it, with gusto..,. This is the stuff, That drives me crazy... -- John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Fri Oct 28 22:47:40 2011 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 20:47:40 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Excel Subtotal from Access/VBA In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1A2047344CAF4AB49F6F01E2179A00BB@HAL9007> I'm not sure what's going on there but I always use the macro recorder in Excel, and crib the code it generates into my VBA. I'd try that. Rocky -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kenneth W Van Huss Sent: Friday, October 28, 2011 6:58 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: [AccessD] Excel Subtotal from Access/VBA This is eating my lunch. I am trying to calculate a subtotal in an Excel spreadsheet via automation/VBA Code: Select all With ApXL .Range("A2").Select .Selection.Subtotal GroupBy:=4, Function:=xlSum, TotalList:=Array(12), _ Replace:=True, PageBreaks:=False, SummaryBelowData:=True .ActiveSheet.Outline.ShowLevels RowLevels:=2 .Columns("L:L").Style = "Currency" .Rows("1:1").Font.Bold = True End With I keep getting an error on the ".Selection.sub . .." line. The error message is "The command could not be completed by using the range specified. Select a single cell within the range and try the command again." Any help is greatly appreciated. Ken -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From ssharkins at gmail.com Sat Oct 29 07:53:25 2011 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2011 08:53:25 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Excel Subtotal from Access/VBA References: <1A2047344CAF4AB49F6F01E2179A00BB@HAL9007> Message-ID: <195DB2AFE1A6421A9BA9B677DC7DFF19@SusanHarkins> Is Subtotal a range name or an reserved object name? If a named range, it might not like that -- it's probably a reserved word. Never done subtotaling with VBA, so don't even know the object model for that. Susan H. > I'm not sure what's going on there but I always use the macro recorder in > Excel, and crib the code it generates into my VBA. I'd try that. > > > .Selection.Subtotal GroupBy:=4, Function:=xlSum, > TotalList:=Array(12), _ From marksimms at verizon.net Sat Oct 29 09:14:19 2011 From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms) Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2011 10:14:19 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Excel Subtotal from Access/VBA In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <004801cc9645$0d1ff610$275fe230$@net> Just reference the entire worksheet (change activesheet below to worksheets("whatever") if required). My notes on this function indicate to put a Application.DisplayAlerts=False statement in there too. > > With ApXL > > .ActiveSheet.Subtotal GroupBy:=4, Function:=xlSum, > TotalList:=Array(12), _ > > Replace:=True, PageBreaks:=False, SummaryBelowData:=True > > .ActiveSheet.Outline.ShowLevels RowLevels:=2 > > .Columns("L:L").Style = "Currency" > > .Rows("1:1").Font.Bold = True > From charlotte.foust at gmail.com Sat Oct 29 12:55:58 2011 From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust) Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2011 10:55:58 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] OK so Windows 7 has issues too In-Reply-To: <4EAB717B.5090508@colbyconsulting.com> References: <4EAB717B.5090508@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: I don't know the answer, John, but it may be the version. The home versions of Windows seem to have all sorts of unexpected limitations on networking and sharing, which is why I always run the Professional versions. Charlotte Foust On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 8:22 PM, jwcolby wrote: > :) > > Actually I am not sure where the problem lies. I am trying to see all the > machines on my network. This is a workgroup and everyone except my UnRaid > Linux server (Tower) belong to the same workgroup. > > 1) In my 2008R2 server (Hyper-V server) I see 12 machines if you ignore > the tsclient. This includes Tower and three VMs. > > 2) In Azul (Windows 2008) I see 12 machines - same as 1 above. > > 3) In my new Windows 7 Home premium I see 7 machines. Missing are Azul > (Windows 2008), both HTPC machines (also Windows 7), one of my VMs (Windows > 2003) and both windows xp machines. > > 4) In a Windows 7 Professional VM I see 7 machines. Missing are the > Windows 7 HTPCs and the two XP machines. > > I found something (very crude) that would find every IP address on the > network and from my new laptop everything does show up, and I can ping > everything but everything does not show in the network map. Another PFM > thing going on here. > > If I know the computer name I can remote desktop in to all of them (except > the Windows 7 home machines of course) so everything is definitely out > there, just not visible. that kinda sucks because I often share and push > files around to machines based on the shares. > > That just made me wonder if the machines that are missing might not have > any shares or something. But why do both Server 2008 machines (on opposite > physical ends of the network) see every single machine on the network, but > the Windows 7 Home laptop plugged into the same switch as the Hyper-v > Server 2008 machine only show 7 machines? > > Sing it, with gusto..,. > > This is the stuff, > That drives me crazy... > > -- > John W. Colby > Colby Consulting > > Reality is what refuses to go away > when you do not believe in it > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/accessd > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.**com > > > From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Sat Oct 29 13:10:29 2011 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2011 14:10:29 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] OK so Windows 7 has issues too In-Reply-To: References: <4EAB717B.5090508@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <4EAC4195.3000602@colbyconsulting.com> >The home versions of Windows seem to have all sorts of unexpected limitations on networking and sharing, which is why I always run the Professional versions. I hear ya and I would love to. As it happens I got 3 copies of the home version for $150. I have two HTPC machines and three laptops which I am upgrading to Windows 7. To put the pro version on all of those would be a tad expensive, and they don't really need it. John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it On 10/29/2011 1:55 PM, Charlotte Foust wrote: > I don't know the answer, John, but it may be the version. The home > versions of Windows seem to have all sorts of unexpected limitations on > networking and sharing, which is why I always run the Professional versions. > > Charlotte Foust > > On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 8:22 PM, jwcolbywrote: > >> :) >> >> Actually I am not sure where the problem lies. I am trying to see all the >> machines on my network. This is a workgroup and everyone except my UnRaid >> Linux server (Tower) belong to the same workgroup. >> >> 1) In my 2008R2 server (Hyper-V server) I see 12 machines if you ignore >> the tsclient. This includes Tower and three VMs. >> >> 2) In Azul (Windows 2008) I see 12 machines - same as 1 above. >> >> 3) In my new Windows 7 Home premium I see 7 machines. Missing are Azul >> (Windows 2008), both HTPC machines (also Windows 7), one of my VMs (Windows >> 2003) and both windows xp machines. >> >> 4) In a Windows 7 Professional VM I see 7 machines. Missing are the >> Windows 7 HTPCs and the two XP machines. >> >> I found something (very crude) that would find every IP address on the >> network and from my new laptop everything does show up, and I can ping >> everything but everything does not show in the network map. Another PFM >> thing going on here. >> >> If I know the computer name I can remote desktop in to all of them (except >> the Windows 7 home machines of course) so everything is definitely out >> there, just not visible. that kinda sucks because I often share and push >> files around to machines based on the shares. >> >> That just made me wonder if the machines that are missing might not have >> any shares or something. But why do both Server 2008 machines (on opposite >> physical ends of the network) see every single machine on the network, but >> the Windows 7 Home laptop plugged into the same switch as the Hyper-v >> Server 2008 machine only show 7 machines? >> >> Sing it, with gusto..,. >> >> This is the stuff, >> That drives me crazy... >> >> -- >> John W. Colby >> Colby Consulting >> >> Reality is what refuses to go away >> when you do not believe in it >> -- >> AccessD mailing list >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/accessd >> >> >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.**com >> >> >> From john at winhaven.net Sat Oct 29 13:11:58 2011 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2011 13:11:58 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] OK so Windows 7 has issues too In-Reply-To: References: <4EAB717B.5090508@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <057201cc9666$406f0530$c14d0f90$@winhaven.net> Agreed. Home versions are there for a reason - to irritate us! ;o) -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2011 12:56 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] OK so Windows 7 has issues too I don't know the answer, John, but it may be the version. The home versions of Windows seem to have all sorts of unexpected limitations on networking and sharing, which is why I always run the Professional versions. From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Sat Oct 29 13:14:46 2011 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2011 14:14:46 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] OK so Windows 7 has issues too In-Reply-To: <057201cc9666$406f0530$c14d0f90$@winhaven.net> References: <4EAB717B.5090508@colbyconsulting.com> <057201cc9666$406f0530$c14d0f90$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: <4EAC4296.6060609@colbyconsulting.com> LOL. And they do a good job of it. John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it On 10/29/2011 2:11 PM, John Bartow wrote: > Agreed. Home versions are there for a reason - to irritate us! ;o) > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust > Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2011 12:56 PM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] OK so Windows 7 has issues too > > I don't know the answer, John, but it may be the version. The home versions > of Windows seem to have all sorts of unexpected limitations on networking > and sharing, which is why I always run the Professional versions. > From df.waters at comcast.net Sat Oct 29 13:16:45 2011 From: df.waters at comcast.net (Dan Waters) Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2011 13:16:45 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Need Help With a Workgroup/Password Message-ID: <000001cc9666$eb08e100$c11aa300$@comcast.net> Aaaargh! One of my customers accidentally removed me as the Admin user from their system, and I need to fix that. Either I need to get the password for another Admin user and log in to fix my authority, or I need to make myself an admin user some other way. I have a copy of the .mdw file on my PC. How do I fix this? Thanks! Dan From df.waters at comcast.net Sat Oct 29 16:06:04 2011 From: df.waters at comcast.net (Dan Waters) Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2011 16:06:04 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Need Help With a Workgroup/Password Message-ID: <000001cc967e$92554810$b6ffd830$@comcast.net> OK - I figured out what another administrator's password was so I'm set. Thanks! Dan From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Sat Oct 29 18:22:27 2011 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2011 19:22:27 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Need Help With a Workgroup/Password In-Reply-To: <000001cc967e$92554810$b6ffd830$@comcast.net> References: <000001cc967e$92554810$b6ffd830$@comcast.net> Message-ID: <4EAC8AB3.6010104@colbyconsulting.com> High security there eh? ;) John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it On 10/29/2011 5:06 PM, Dan Waters wrote: > OK - I figured out what another administrator's password was so I'm set. > > > > Thanks! > > Dan > > > > > From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Sat Oct 29 19:38:20 2011 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2011 20:38:20 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Windows can be so much fun Message-ID: <4EAC9C7C.4060906@colbyconsulting.com> I bought a laptop from a friend. The laptop was provided "Michael Laptop" as a "registered user" when it was turned on the first time (I suppose). I created my own user, deleted his etc but every time I want to install anything it says it will be registered to "Michael Laptop". I went looking through the registry for Michael Laptop and holy smoke batman, it is *everywhere*!!! Probably 50 different registry keys, perhaps a hundred, mostly "install paths" pointing to a now non-existent user roaming directory. It is no damned wonder that the registry causes so many problems. I did find two specific places where there is a key called "registered user" which I changed to my name. We shall see if that makes me the registered user. -- John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Sat Oct 29 19:44:41 2011 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2011 20:44:41 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Windows can be so much fun In-Reply-To: <4EAC9C7C.4060906@colbyconsulting.com> References: <4EAC9C7C.4060906@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <4EAC9DF9.6090309@colbyconsulting.com> I meant to say "registered owner". John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it On 10/29/2011 8:38 PM, jwcolby wrote: > I bought a laptop from a friend. The laptop was provided "Michael Laptop" as a "registered user" > when it was turned on the first time (I suppose). I created my own user, deleted his etc but every > time I want to install anything it says it will be registered to "Michael Laptop". I went looking > through the registry for Michael Laptop and holy smoke batman, it is *everywhere*!!! Probably 50 > different registry keys, perhaps a hundred, mostly "install paths" pointing to a now non-existent > user roaming directory. > > It is no damned wonder that the registry causes so many problems. > > I did find two specific places where there is a key called "registered user" which I changed to my > name. We shall see if that makes me the registered user. > From rbgajewski at roadrunner.com Sun Oct 30 08:34:27 2011 From: rbgajewski at roadrunner.com (Bob Gajewski) Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2011 09:34:27 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Send email with Word attachment from Access Message-ID: <56998FD17CC24E4C87F20B0F2B8CD9C6@7B440585K> Hi Folks I've hit a wall, and could use some direction. I have an Access 2003 application that records student course results, and on that form, I would like to be able to (1) print a certificate, (2) save the certificate as a Word 2003 document with a unique file name, and (3) email the document to the student. Note: I have Access 2003 and Word 2010 installed. I have items 1 and 2 working perfectly. My trouble is with item 3 - I just can't seem to find the right commands/syntax to open Outlook. I've been researching this for hours on Microsoft's sites and throughout the Internet ... with little success. If anyone has ideas or suggestions, they would be most appreciated. Thanks Bob Gajewski ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------- Private Sub cmdPrintCertificate_Click() Call PrintCertificate(CourseID.Column(1) & CourseDays, Trim(StudentFullNameFMLS), Format(StudentCourseStartDate, "mmmm d, yyyy"), Format(StudentCourseEndDate, "mmmm d, yyyy"), Trim(InstructorFullNameFMLS)) End Sub ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------- Private Sub cmdEmailCertificate_Click() Call EmailCertificate(CourseID.Column(1) & CourseDays, Trim(StudentFullNameFMLS), Format(StudentCourseStartDate, "mmmm d, yyyy"), Format(StudentCourseEndDate, "mmmm d, yyyy"), Trim(InstructorFullNameFMLS), CourseID.Column(2), StudentMailTo) End Sub ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------- Function PrintCertificate(varCourseCode, varStudentFullNameFMLS, varCourseStartDate, varCourseEndDate, varInstructorFullNameFMLS) ' Start Microsoft Word Dim objWord As Object Set objWord = CreateObject("Word.Application") Dim strCertificate As String strCertificate = "C:\{actual path removed for security reasons}\" & varCourseCode & ".dot" objWord.Documents.Open strCertificate objWord.Visible = True With objWord ' Move to each bookmark and insert text from the form. .ActiveDocument.Bookmarks("StudentFullNameFMLS").Select .Selection.Text = CStr(varStudentFullNameFMLS) If Not varCourseStartDate = varCourseEndDate Then .ActiveDocument.Bookmarks("CourseStartDate").Select .Selection.Text = CStr(varCourseStartDate) End If .ActiveDocument.Bookmarks("CourseEndDate").Select .Selection.Text = CStr(varCourseEndDate) End With ' Print the document in the foreground so Microsoft Word will not close until the document finishes printing. objWord.ActiveDocument.PrintOut Do While objWord.BackgroundPrintingStatus > 0 Loop ' Save the document objWord.ActiveDocument.SaveAs FileName:="C:\{actual path removed for security reasons}\Certificates\" & _ varStudentFullNameFMLS & "-" & varCourseCode & "-" & Format(varCourseEndDate, "yyyymmdd") & ".doc" ' Close the document without saving changes. objWord.ActiveDocument.Close False ' Quit Microsoft Word and release the object variable. objWord.Quit Set objWord = Nothing Exit Function End Function ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------- Function EmailCertificate(varCourseCode, varStudentFullNameFMLS, varCourseStartDate, varCourseEndDate, varInstructorFullNameFMLS, varCourseName, varStudentMailTo) ' Start Microsoft Word Dim objWord As Object Set objWord = CreateObject("Word.Application") Dim strCertificate As String strCertificate = "C:\{actual path removed for security reasons}\" & varCourseCode & ".dot" objWord.Documents.Open strCertificate objWord.Visible = True With objWord ' Move to each bookmark and insert text from the form. .ActiveDocument.Bookmarks("StudentFullNameFMLS").Select .Selection.Text = CStr(varStudentFullNameFMLS) If Not varCourseStartDate = varCourseEndDate Then .ActiveDocument.Bookmarks("CourseStartDate").Select .Selection.Text = CStr(varCourseStartDate) End If .ActiveDocument.Bookmarks("CourseEndDate").Select .Selection.Text = CStr(varCourseEndDate) End With ' Save the document objWord.ActiveDocument.SaveAs FileName:="C:\Users\{actual path removed for security reasons}\Certificates\" & _ varStudentFullNameFMLS & "-" & varCourseCode & "-" & Format(varCourseEndDate, "yyyymmdd") & ".doc" ' Send the document by email Dim bStarted As Boolean Dim oOutlookApp As Object Dim oItem As Object On Error Resume Next If Len(objWord.ActiveDocument.Path) = 0 Then 'Document has not been saved objWord.ActiveDocument.Save 'so save it End If 'see if Outlook is running and if so turn your attention there Set oOutlookApp = GetObject(, "Outlook.Application") If Err <> 0 Then 'Outlook isn't running 'So fire it up Set oOutlookApp = CreateObject("Outlook.Application") bStarted = True oOutlookApp.Visible = True End If 'Open a new e-mail message Set oItem = oOutlookApp.CreateItem() ***** This seems to be where the code fails ***** With oItem 'and add the detail to it .To = varStudentMailTo 'send to this address .Subject = "Training Certificate" 'This is the message subject .Body = "Attached is your training certificate for the " & _ varCourseName & " that you completed on " & Format(varCourseEndDate, "mmmm d, yyyy") & "." ' This is the message body text .Attachments.Add Source:=objWord.ActiveDocument.FullName '.Send .Display End With ' If the macro started Outlook, stop it again. If bStarted Then oOutlookApp.Quit End If ' Clean up Set oItem = Nothing Set oOutlookApp = Nothing ' Close the document without saving changes. objWord.ActiveDocument.Close False ' Quit Microsoft Word and release the object variable. objWord.Quit Set objWord = Nothing Exit Function End Function From jackandpat.d at gmail.com Sun Oct 30 09:04:50 2011 From: jackandpat.d at gmail.com (jack drawbridge) Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2011 10:04:50 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Send email with Word attachment from Access In-Reply-To: <56998FD17CC24E4C87F20B0F2B8CD9C6@7B440585K> References: <56998FD17CC24E4C87F20B0F2B8CD9C6@7B440585K> Message-ID: Bob, There's a sample here http://www.blueclaw-db.com/download/download_access_email_example.htm On Sun, Oct 30, 2011 at 9:34 AM, Bob Gajewski wrote: > Hi Folks > > I've hit a wall, and could use some direction. > > I have an Access 2003 application that records student course results, and > on that form, I would like to be able to (1) print a certificate, (2) save > the certificate as a Word 2003 document with a unique file name, and (3) > email the document to the student. Note: I have Access 2003 and Word 2010 > installed. > > I have items 1 and 2 working perfectly. My trouble is with item 3 - I just > can't seem to find the right commands/syntax to open Outlook. I've been > researching this for hours on Microsoft's sites and throughout the Internet > ... with little success. > > If anyone has ideas or suggestions, they would be most appreciated. > > Thanks > Bob Gajewski > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ----------------- > Private Sub cmdPrintCertificate_Click() > Call PrintCertificate(CourseID.Column(1) & CourseDays, > Trim(StudentFullNameFMLS), Format(StudentCourseStartDate, "mmmm d, yyyy"), > Format(StudentCourseEndDate, "mmmm d, yyyy"), Trim(InstructorFullNameFMLS)) > End Sub > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ----------------- > Private Sub cmdEmailCertificate_Click() > Call EmailCertificate(CourseID.Column(1) & CourseDays, > Trim(StudentFullNameFMLS), Format(StudentCourseStartDate, "mmmm d, yyyy"), > Format(StudentCourseEndDate, "mmmm d, yyyy"), Trim(InstructorFullNameFMLS), > CourseID.Column(2), StudentMailTo) > End Sub > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ----------------- > > Function PrintCertificate(varCourseCode, varStudentFullNameFMLS, > varCourseStartDate, varCourseEndDate, varInstructorFullNameFMLS) > ' Start Microsoft Word > Dim objWord As Object > Set objWord = CreateObject("Word.Application") > Dim strCertificate As String > strCertificate = "C:\{actual path removed for security reasons}\" & > varCourseCode & ".dot" > objWord.Documents.Open strCertificate > objWord.Visible = True > With objWord > ' Move to each bookmark and insert text from the form. > .ActiveDocument.Bookmarks("StudentFullNameFMLS").Select > .Selection.Text = CStr(varStudentFullNameFMLS) > If Not varCourseStartDate = varCourseEndDate Then > .ActiveDocument.Bookmarks("CourseStartDate").Select > .Selection.Text = CStr(varCourseStartDate) > End If > .ActiveDocument.Bookmarks("CourseEndDate").Select > .Selection.Text = CStr(varCourseEndDate) > End With > ' Print the document in the foreground so Microsoft Word will not close > until the document finishes printing. > objWord.ActiveDocument.PrintOut > Do While objWord.BackgroundPrintingStatus > 0 > Loop > ' Save the document > objWord.ActiveDocument.SaveAs FileName:="C:\{actual path removed for > security reasons}\Certificates\" & _ > varStudentFullNameFMLS & "-" & varCourseCode & "-" & > Format(varCourseEndDate, "yyyymmdd") & ".doc" > ' Close the document without saving changes. > objWord.ActiveDocument.Close False > ' Quit Microsoft Word and release the object variable. > objWord.Quit > Set objWord = Nothing > Exit Function > End Function > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ----------------- > Function EmailCertificate(varCourseCode, varStudentFullNameFMLS, > varCourseStartDate, varCourseEndDate, varInstructorFullNameFMLS, > varCourseName, varStudentMailTo) > ' Start Microsoft Word > Dim objWord As Object > Set objWord = CreateObject("Word.Application") > Dim strCertificate As String > strCertificate = "C:\{actual path removed for security reasons}\" & > varCourseCode & ".dot" > objWord.Documents.Open strCertificate > objWord.Visible = True > With objWord > ' Move to each bookmark and insert text from the form. > .ActiveDocument.Bookmarks("StudentFullNameFMLS").Select > .Selection.Text = CStr(varStudentFullNameFMLS) > If Not varCourseStartDate = varCourseEndDate Then > .ActiveDocument.Bookmarks("CourseStartDate").Select > .Selection.Text = CStr(varCourseStartDate) > End If > .ActiveDocument.Bookmarks("CourseEndDate").Select > .Selection.Text = CStr(varCourseEndDate) > End With > ' Save the document > objWord.ActiveDocument.SaveAs FileName:="C:\Users\{actual path removed > for security reasons}\Certificates\" & _ > varStudentFullNameFMLS & "-" & varCourseCode & "-" & > Format(varCourseEndDate, "yyyymmdd") & ".doc" > ' Send the document by email > Dim bStarted As Boolean > Dim oOutlookApp As Object > Dim oItem As Object > On Error Resume Next > If Len(objWord.ActiveDocument.Path) = 0 Then 'Document has not been > saved > objWord.ActiveDocument.Save 'so save it > End If > 'see if Outlook is running and if so turn your attention there > Set oOutlookApp = GetObject(, "Outlook.Application") > If Err <> 0 Then 'Outlook isn't running > 'So fire it up > Set oOutlookApp = CreateObject("Outlook.Application") > bStarted = True > oOutlookApp.Visible = True > End If > 'Open a new e-mail message > Set oItem = oOutlookApp.CreateItem() ***** This seems to be where the > code fails ***** > With oItem 'and add the detail to it > .To = varStudentMailTo 'send to this address > .Subject = "Training Certificate" 'This is the message subject > .Body = "Attached is your training certificate for the " & _ > varCourseName & " that you completed on " & > Format(varCourseEndDate, "mmmm d, yyyy") & "." ' This is the message body > text > .Attachments.Add Source:=objWord.ActiveDocument.FullName > '.Send > .Display > End With > ' If the macro started Outlook, stop it again. > If bStarted Then > oOutlookApp.Quit > End If > ' Clean up > Set oItem = Nothing > Set oOutlookApp = Nothing > ' Close the document without saving changes. > objWord.ActiveDocument.Close False > ' Quit Microsoft Word and release the object variable. > objWord.Quit > Set objWord = Nothing > Exit Function > End Function > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From marksimms at verizon.net Sun Oct 30 09:39:51 2011 From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms) Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2011 10:39:51 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Windows can be so much fun In-Reply-To: <4EAC9C7C.4060906@colbyconsulting.com> References: <4EAC9C7C.4060906@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <002701cc9711$c8f37b60$5ada7220$@net> The registry remains as one sensitive and complex beast. That being said, one would think that MSFT would back it up automatically with at least 5 rolling versions. Nope - only 1....and strangely they make it difficult to get to the Restore Point facility. Cleaning up the registry does help with performance, and I recommend these (in order: 1) Registry Fast 2) Win Utilities 3) CCleaner 4) Glary Utilities > > It is no damned wonder that the registry causes so many problems. > I did find two specific places where there is a key called "registered > user" which I changed to my name. We shall see if that makes me the registered user. From df.waters at comcast.net Sun Oct 30 10:49:21 2011 From: df.waters at comcast.net (Dan Waters) Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2011 10:49:21 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Need Help With a Workgroup/Password In-Reply-To: <4EAC8AB3.6010104@colbyconsulting.com> References: <000001cc967e$92554810$b6ffd830$@comcast.net> <4EAC8AB3.6010104@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <000f01cc971b$7de6ca50$79b45ef0$@comcast.net> In my system I have a permissions screen where the system owners (not IT) can set up permissions for all the users (I'm not using the complex Access user level security). When someone is set up as a System Owner, they become an Admin user, like I am. This give them the ability to create new users by adding their username to the User group, and in the background set up a randomized one-time password which is emailed to the new user. What I never expected was for one of the System Owners to uncheck me as a System Owner, which removes me as an Admin user. The System Owners are not experienced Access users - they just do what the screen lets them do. And what it no longer lets them do is remove me as a System Owner. Lesson Learned! ;-) Dan -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2011 6:22 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Need Help With a Workgroup/Password High security there eh? ;) John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it On 10/29/2011 5:06 PM, Dan Waters wrote: > OK - I figured out what another administrator's password was so I'm set. > > > > Thanks! > > Dan > > > > > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From charlotte.foust at gmail.com Sun Oct 30 12:01:48 2011 From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust) Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2011 10:01:48 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Known Bugs List in A2K7/10 In-Reply-To: <001401cc9469$6f238ee0$4d6aaca0$@gmail.com> References: <4E9E8A33.5135.61C4375@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <000901cc8eca$ac281df0$047859d0$@gmail.com> <004a01cc8f99$8944af90$9bce0eb0$@net> <001401cc9469$6f238ee0$4d6aaca0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: One of my pet peeves is that if you have another object open, like a table, you are restricted from working on other related objects but Access doesn't tell you what it's objecting to just leaves you to start closing things until you can get to where you need to be. And that wretched navigation window opens things when you merely want to look at the design and tucks them neatly into the tabs where you don't even notice them! Grrrrrrrrr Charlotte Foust On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 10:29 PM, William Benson (VBACreations.Com) < vbacreations at gmail.com> wrote: > More Ac2010 bugs. > > Hard to know whether this belongs in a thread of KNOWN bugs, but they are > certainly ACTIVE bugs. > > I am getting a message like > > [My Database Name] cannot complete this operation. You must stop the code > and try again" > > Thing is, I am not running any code. I only copied an object (like a form) > and tried to paste it with a new name in the database window. > > Furthermore, I also occasionally catch the statusbar showing me a query is > running I am not doing anything except modifying some code in design time. > > This Ac2010 seems very much like a Ghost in the Machine gone wild, and it > is > not Casper the Friendly either. > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > From gustav at cactus.dk Sun Oct 30 12:27:16 2011 From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2011 18:27:16 +0100 Subject: [AccessD] Need Help With a Workgroup/Password Message-ID: Hi Dan After too many experiences of this kind and others, we bite the bullet and sat up Active Directory with two Domain Controllers on different locations. The attitude was "how hard can it be" but it is, not because it is difficult but you have to read up the stuff, learn the rules, play nice, and follow every step rigorously. But it pays back. Whenever a computer is "created" it is joined to the AD, and the Domain Admins' group automagically become member of the local Administrators' group. /gustav >>> df.waters at comcast.net 30-10-2011 16:49 >>> In my system I have a permissions screen where the system owners (not IT) can set up permissions for all the users (I'm not using the complex Access user level security). When someone is set up as a System Owner, they become an Admin user, like I am. This give them the ability to create new users by adding their username to the User group, and in the background set up a randomized one-time password which is emailed to the new user. What I never expected was for one of the System Owners to uncheck me as a System Owner, which removes me as an Admin user. The System Owners are not experienced Access users - they just do what the screen lets them do. And what it no longer lets them do is remove me as a System Owner. Lesson Learned! ;-) Dan -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2011 6:22 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Need Help With a Workgroup/Password High security there eh? ;) John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it On 10/29/2011 5:06 PM, Dan Waters wrote: > OK - I figured out what another administrator's password was so I'm set. > > > > Thanks! > > Dan From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Sun Oct 30 12:32:18 2011 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2011 13:32:18 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Need Help With a Workgroup/Password In-Reply-To: <000f01cc971b$7de6ca50$79b45ef0$@comcast.net> References: <000001cc967e$92554810$b6ffd830$@comcast.net> <4EAC8AB3.6010104@colbyconsulting.com> <000f01cc971b$7de6ca50$79b45ef0$@comcast.net> Message-ID: <4EAD8A22.8060007@colbyconsulting.com> > The System Owners are not experienced Access users - they just do what the screen lets them do. And what it no longer lets them do is remove me as a System Owner. Lesson Learned! ;-) ROTFL. Lesson learned! John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it On 10/30/2011 11:49 AM, Dan Waters wrote: > In my system I have a permissions screen where the system owners (not IT) > can set up permissions for all the users (I'm not using the complex Access > user level security). When someone is set up as a System Owner, they become > an Admin user, like I am. This give them the ability to create new users by > adding their username to the User group, and in the background set up a > randomized one-time password which is emailed to the new user. > > What I never expected was for one of the System Owners to uncheck me as a > System Owner, which removes me as an Admin user. The System Owners are not > experienced Access users - they just do what the screen lets them do. And > what it no longer lets them do is remove me as a System Owner. Lesson > Learned! ;-) > > Dan > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby > Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2011 6:22 PM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Need Help With a Workgroup/Password > > High security there eh? > > ;) > > John W. Colby > Colby Consulting > > Reality is what refuses to go away > when you do not believe in it > > On 10/29/2011 5:06 PM, Dan Waters wrote: >> OK - I figured out what another administrator's password was so I'm set. >> >> >> >> Thanks! >> >> Dan >> >> >> >> >> From rbgajewski at roadrunner.com Sun Oct 30 12:40:03 2011 From: rbgajewski at roadrunner.com (Bob Gajewski) Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2011 13:40:03 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] FW: Send email with Word attachment from Access - SOLVED (mostly) Message-ID: <24345F6D001E4D7D97AB808CA3E81B8F@7B440585K> I've figured out the problem with opening Outlook and the new email ... The only remaining issue is to get it to automatically send without the "An application is trying to send email" security warning ... I just needed to replace: Set oItem = oOutlookApp.CreateItem() With: Set oItem = oOutlookApp.CreateItem(0) Thanks to those that responded with suggestions. Bob Gajewski -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bob Gajewski Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2011 09:34 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: [AccessD] Send email with Word attachment from Access Hi Folks I've hit a wall, and could use some direction. I have an Access 2003 application that records student course results, and on that form, I would like to be able to (1) print a certificate, (2) save the certificate as a Word 2003 document with a unique file name, and (3) email the document to the student. Note: I have Access 2003 and Word 2010 installed. I have items 1 and 2 working perfectly. My trouble is with item 3 - I just can't seem to find the right commands/syntax to open Outlook. I've been researching this for hours on Microsoft's sites and throughout the Internet ... with little success. If anyone has ideas or suggestions, they would be most appreciated. Thanks Bob Gajewski ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Private Sub cmdEmailCertificate_Click() Call EmailCertificate(CourseID.Column(1) & CourseDays, Trim(StudentFullNameFMLS), Format(StudentCourseStartDate, "mmmm d, yyyy"), Format(StudentCourseEndDate, "mmmm d, yyyy"), Trim(InstructorFullNameFMLS), CourseID.Column(2), StudentMailTo) End Sub ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Function EmailCertificate(varCourseCode, varStudentFullNameFMLS, varCourseStartDate, varCourseEndDate, varInstructorFullNameFMLS, varCourseName, varStudentMailTo) ' Start Microsoft Word Dim objWord As Object Set objWord = CreateObject("Word.Application") Dim strCertificate As String strCertificate = "C:\{actual path removed for security reasons}\" & varCourseCode & ".dot" objWord.Documents.Open strCertificate objWord.Visible = True With objWord ' Move to each bookmark and insert text from the form. .ActiveDocument.Bookmarks("StudentFullNameFMLS").Select .Selection.Text = CStr(varStudentFullNameFMLS) If Not varCourseStartDate = varCourseEndDate Then .ActiveDocument.Bookmarks("CourseStartDate").Select .Selection.Text = CStr(varCourseStartDate) End If .ActiveDocument.Bookmarks("CourseEndDate").Select .Selection.Text = CStr(varCourseEndDate) End With ' Save the document objWord.ActiveDocument.SaveAs FileName:="C:\Users\{actual path removed for security reasons}\Certificates\" & _ varStudentFullNameFMLS & "-" & varCourseCode & "-" & Format(varCourseEndDate, "yyyymmdd") & ".doc" ' Send the document by email Dim bStarted As Boolean Dim oOutlookApp As Object Dim oItem As Object On Error Resume Next If Len(objWord.ActiveDocument.Path) = 0 Then 'Document has not been saved objWord.ActiveDocument.Save 'so save it End If 'see if Outlook is running and if so turn your attention there Set oOutlookApp = GetObject(, "Outlook.Application") If Err <> 0 Then 'Outlook isn't running 'So fire it up Set oOutlookApp = CreateObject("Outlook.Application") bStarted = True oOutlookApp.Visible = True End If 'Open a new e-mail message Set oItem = oOutlookApp.CreateItem() ***** This seems to be where the code fails ***** With oItem 'and add the detail to it .To = varStudentMailTo 'send to this address .Subject = "Training Certificate" 'This is the message subject .Body = "Attached is your training certificate for the " & _ varCourseName & " that you completed on " & Format(varCourseEndDate, "mmmm d, yyyy") & "." ' This is the message body text .Attachments.Add Source:=objWord.ActiveDocument.FullName '.Send .Display End With ' If the macro started Outlook, stop it again. If bStarted Then oOutlookApp.Quit End If ' Clean up Set oItem = Nothing Set oOutlookApp = Nothing ' Close the document without saving changes. objWord.ActiveDocument.Close False ' Quit Microsoft Word and release the object variable. objWord.Quit Set objWord = Nothing Exit Function End Function From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Sun Oct 30 12:45:02 2011 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2011 13:45:02 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Windows can be so much fun In-Reply-To: <002701cc9711$c8f37b60$5ada7220$@net> References: <4EAC9C7C.4060906@colbyconsulting.com> <002701cc9711$c8f37b60$5ada7220$@net> Message-ID: <4EAD8D1E.4000206@colbyconsulting.com> And after changing the "Mike laptop" to jwc in about 50 places, the system booted slooooooowly and refused to shut down. I rolled back, restoring the registry and I am back. Whew! All I did this time was replace the "Registered User" with my name. Another lesson learned. I am really loving Windows 7 and my Seagate Momentus XT drive. Between the two I am at the login prompt is about 25 seconds and at the desktop and stable in about 50 seconds. That is nothing short of amazing. John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it On 10/30/2011 10:39 AM, Mark Simms wrote: > The registry remains as one sensitive and complex beast. > That being said, one would think that MSFT would back it up automatically > with at least 5 rolling versions. > Nope - only 1....and strangely they make it difficult to get to the Restore > Point facility. > Cleaning up the registry does help with performance, and I recommend these > (in order: > 1) Registry Fast > 2) Win Utilities > 3) CCleaner > 4) Glary Utilities > > >> >> It is no damned wonder that the registry causes so many problems. >> I did find two specific places where there is a key called "registered >> user" which I changed to my name. We shall see if that makes me the > registered user. > > From vbacreations at gmail.com Sun Oct 30 12:53:35 2011 From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson) Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2011 13:53:35 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Known Bugs List in A2K7/10 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: That's kind of you to say but I did try once to get familiar with the newer VB (2008). I just don't .GET .NET On Oct 20, 2011 4:03 AM, "Gustav Brock" wrote: > Hi William > > Don't say that. As a matter of fact with knowledge like yours, getting > started with Visual Studio is more a question about available time and > patience to pass the first steps of the learning curve - then it is forward > (no ending point). > > /gustav > > > >>> vbacreations at gmail.com 20-10-2011 03:46 >>> > >> .Net, C#, and Visual Studio. > I wish I had the intelligence to pick up something new... don't... > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock > Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2011 4:15 AM > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Known Bugs List in A2K7/10 > > Hi Mark and Darry and ... > > Oh my, what a frightening thread. You guys and Charlotte really scare one > from ever touching development in Access 2007 or 2010. > I never moved beyond 2003 ... then took a sharp right (pun and pun > intended!) turn to .Net, C#, and Visual Studio. > > /gustav > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From marksimms at verizon.net Sun Oct 30 15:01:34 2011 From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms) Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2011 16:01:34 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Windows can be so much fun In-Reply-To: <4EAD8D1E.4000206@colbyconsulting.com> References: <4EAC9C7C.4060906@colbyconsulting.com> <002701cc9711$c8f37b60$5ada7220$@net> <4EAD8D1E.4000206@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <000001cc973e$b9e06840$2da138c0$@net> John- I am really glad those Momentus Drives are working out. I purchased an OCZ SSD and it too is amazing. Unfortunately, my choice of an MSI motherboard with AMD processor was not a good one. It has a built-in ATI Radeon display adapter. The drivers are faulty to the point where if you utilize the power saving feature of shutting off the monitor, it will not come back on for a whole minute ! To say this is annoying is an understatement. Attempts to get this rectified on the MSI Forums just resulted in nasty-grams from the administrators. They threaten to shut down my account if I keep double-posting my issues At this point, and all of this hassle....I do not recommend MSI or AMD products. I was once a big fan of AMD....no more. > I am really loving Windows 7 and my Seagate Momentus XT drive. Between > the two I am at the login > prompt is about 25 seconds and at the desktop and stable in about 50 > seconds. That is nothing short > of amazing. From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Sun Oct 30 15:21:12 2011 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2011 16:21:12 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Windows can be so much fun In-Reply-To: <000001cc973e$b9e06840$2da138c0$@net> References: <4EAC9C7C.4060906@colbyconsulting.com> <002701cc9711$c8f37b60$5ada7220$@net> <4EAD8D1E.4000206@colbyconsulting.com> <000001cc973e$b9e06840$2da138c0$@net> Message-ID: <4EADB1B8.2080605@colbyconsulting.com> What is the board / processor? John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it On 10/30/2011 4:01 PM, Mark Simms wrote: > John- I am really glad those Momentus Drives are working out. I purchased an > OCZ SSD and it too is amazing. > Unfortunately, my choice of an MSI motherboard with AMD processor was not a > good one. > It has a built-in ATI Radeon display adapter. The drivers are faulty to the > point where if you utilize the power saving feature of shutting off the > monitor, it will not come back on for a whole minute ! > To say this is annoying is an understatement. > Attempts to get this rectified on the MSI Forums just resulted in > nasty-grams from the administrators. > They threaten to shut down my account if I keep double-posting my issues > At this point, and all of this hassle....I do not recommend MSI or AMD > products. > I was once a big fan of AMD....no more. > >> I am really loving Windows 7 and my Seagate Momentus XT drive. Between >> the two I am at the login >> prompt is about 25 seconds and at the desktop and stable in about 50 >> seconds. That is nothing short >> of amazing. > > From marksimms at verizon.net Sun Oct 30 17:31:44 2011 From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms) Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2011 18:31:44 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Windows can be so much fun In-Reply-To: <4EADB1B8.2080605@colbyconsulting.com> References: <4EAC9C7C.4060906@colbyconsulting.com> <002701cc9711$c8f37b60$5ada7220$@net> <4EAD8D1E.4000206@colbyconsulting.com> <000001cc973e$b9e06840$2da138c0$@net> <4EADB1B8.2080605@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <001101cc9753$b42e3a70$1c8aaf50$@net> MSI 785GTM-E45; AM2 processor Get this: the key is to get the SSD drive to operate in AHCI mode. NO CAN DO. Windows 7 just blows-up and fails to install the correct drivers. Only IDE mode works with this motherboard. Catch 22: Can't even update the SSD firmware - it must be in AHCI mode !! I'm stuck with a fast, but energy-eating monster....very frustrating. > What is the board / processor? > From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au Sun Oct 30 17:50:37 2011 From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins) Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2011 22:50:37 +0000 Subject: [AccessD] firefox recent browse history In-Reply-To: <4EAAB7DA.4020405@colbyconsulting.com> References: <4EAAB7DA.4020405@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55C8C24@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com> Hi John You have to right mouse click on the back button now. That will give you the ability to 'jump' to anywhere in the history list. Agreed it is more annoying. Took me awhile to figure that out. Cheers Darryl. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: Saturday, 29 October 2011 1:11 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: [AccessD] firefox recent browse history In previous versions of Firefox there was a drop down arrow next to the back / forward buttons in the address bar. That drop down would allow you to see and move directly to a recently browsed page. For example I go to a review, I go through 16 pages of the review, I can then drop down this history arrow and see the page 16 pages back and go there directly to "reset" my location. I am now back in that browse location and can page forward or back from that browse location. Now I have to "page back" 16 times to get back to the point where I started reading this review. That is a huge step backwards to me in terms of convenience. Is that old history control available anymore? Can I get it back somehow? -- John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Sun Oct 30 18:45:01 2011 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2011 19:45:01 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Windows can be so much fun In-Reply-To: <001101cc9753$b42e3a70$1c8aaf50$@net> References: <4EAC9C7C.4060906@colbyconsulting.com> <002701cc9711$c8f37b60$5ada7220$@net> <4EAD8D1E.4000206@colbyconsulting.com> <000001cc973e$b9e06840$2da138c0$@net> <4EADB1B8.2080605@colbyconsulting.com> <001101cc9753$b42e3a70$1c8aaf50$@net> Message-ID: <4EADE17D.1070205@colbyconsulting.com> Is this a new build? It sounds like you were aiming for a WMC system. John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it On 10/30/2011 6:31 PM, Mark Simms wrote: > MSI 785GTM-E45 From marksimms at verizon.net Sun Oct 30 21:15:02 2011 From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms) Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2011 22:15:02 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Windows can be so much fun In-Reply-To: <4EADE17D.1070205@colbyconsulting.com> References: <4EAC9C7C.4060906@colbyconsulting.com> <002701cc9711$c8f37b60$5ada7220$@net> <4EAD8D1E.4000206@colbyconsulting.com> <000001cc973e$b9e06840$2da138c0$@net> <4EADB1B8.2080605@colbyconsulting.com> <001101cc9753$b42e3a70$1c8aaf50$@net> <4EADE17D.1070205@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <001801cc9772$e68f7910$b3ae6b30$@net> Yes, new build. WMC ? huh ? Looking for a decently fast development system that was cheap, that's all.... So I decided on an older, slower processor, but a fast hard drive. It's fast alright, but it's gonna cost be a fortune because it is powering a 28" monitor ! Bottomline: my guess is that the Motherboard is too old to properly support SSD. It's 2009 vintage. From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Sun Oct 30 22:00:23 2011 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2011 23:00:23 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Windows can be so much fun In-Reply-To: <001801cc9772$e68f7910$b3ae6b30$@net> References: <4EAC9C7C.4060906@colbyconsulting.com> <002701cc9711$c8f37b60$5ada7220$@net> <4EAD8D1E.4000206@colbyconsulting.com> <000001cc973e$b9e06840$2da138c0$@net> <4EADB1B8.2080605@colbyconsulting.com> <001101cc9753$b42e3a70$1c8aaf50$@net> <4EADE17D.1070205@colbyconsulting.com> <001801cc9772$e68f7910$b3ae6b30$@net> Message-ID: <4EAE0F47.5060601@colbyconsulting.com> yea, for a new build I would not go AM2. Is it too late to get send it back? If it claims to support AHCI and doesn't that is pretty much grounds. John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it On 10/30/2011 10:15 PM, Mark Simms wrote: > Yes, new build. WMC ? huh ? > Looking for a decently fast development system that was cheap, that's > all.... > So I decided on an older, slower processor, but a fast hard drive. > It's fast alright, but it's gonna cost be a fortune because it is powering a > 28" monitor ! > > Bottomline: my guess is that the Motherboard is too old to properly support > SSD. It's 2009 vintage. > > From Gustav at cactus.dk Mon Oct 31 04:06:09 2011 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2011 10:06:09 +0100 Subject: [AccessD] Beginning Visual Studio and .Net (was: Known Bugs List in A2K7/10) Message-ID: Hi William For a very fast tutorial, browse here - the JumpStart code download and the book: http://examples.oreilly.com/vbjumpstart/ http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/vbjumpstart/ Read and test the sample chapter. It' for VS2005+ and covers the basics. Remember that members of this list have the advantage to know about databases. That's what often hold back other developers. /gustav >>> vbacreations at gmail.com 30-10-2011 18:53 >>> That's kind of you to say but I did try once to get familiar with the newer VB (2008). I just don't .GET .NET On Oct 20, 2011 4:03 AM, "Gustav Brock" wrote: > Hi William > > Don't say that. As a matter of fact with knowledge like yours, getting > started with Visual Studio is more a question about available time and > patience to pass the first steps of the learning curve - then it is forward > (no ending point). > > /gustav > > > >>> vbacreations at gmail.com 20-10-2011 03:46 >>> > >> .Net, C#, and Visual Studio. > I wish I had the intelligence to pick up something new... don't... > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock > Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2011 4:15 AM > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Known Bugs List in A2K7/10 > > Hi Mark and Darry and ... > > Oh my, what a frightening thread. You guys and Charlotte really scare one > from ever touching development in Access 2007 or 2010. > I never moved beyond 2003 ... then took a sharp right (pun and pun > intended!) turn to .Net, C#, and Visual Studio. > > /gustav From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Mon Oct 31 06:57:04 2011 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2011 07:57:04 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Beginning Visual Studio and .Net (was: Known Bugs List in A2K7/10) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4EAE8D10.8010804@colbyconsulting.com> Go take a college class. That's what I did. It made me stick with it, do the homework, be there, ask questions. I am now over the hump and on my way. And if you need to do so, start with VB.net. Under the language "skin" it is all the same stuff. John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it On 10/31/2011 5:06 AM, Gustav Brock wrote: > Hi William > > For a very fast tutorial, browse here - the JumpStart code download and the book: > > http://examples.oreilly.com/vbjumpstart/ > http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/vbjumpstart/ > > Read and test the sample chapter. It' for VS2005+ and covers the basics. > Remember that members of this list have the advantage to know about databases. That's what often hold back other developers. > > /gustav > > >>>> vbacreations at gmail.com 30-10-2011 18:53>>> > That's kind of you to say but I did try once to get familiar with the newer > VB (2008). I just don't > .GET .NET > On Oct 20, 2011 4:03 AM, "Gustav Brock" wrote: > >> Hi William >> >> Don't say that. As a matter of fact with knowledge like yours, getting >> started with Visual Studio is more a question about available time and >> patience to pass the first steps of the learning curve - then it is forward >> (no ending point). >> >> /gustav >> >> >>>>> vbacreations at gmail.com 20-10-2011 03:46>>> >>>> .Net, C#, and Visual Studio. >> I wish I had the intelligence to pick up something new... don't... >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock >> Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2011 4:15 AM >> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com >> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Known Bugs List in A2K7/10 >> >> Hi Mark and Darry and ... >> >> Oh my, what a frightening thread. You guys and Charlotte really scare one >> from ever touching development in Access 2007 or 2010. >> I never moved beyond 2003 ... then took a sharp right (pun and pun >> intended!) turn to .Net, C#, and Visual Studio. >> >> /gustav > > From marksimms at verizon.net Mon Oct 31 07:12:10 2011 From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms) Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2011 08:12:10 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Windows can be so much fun In-Reply-To: <4EAE0F47.5060601@colbyconsulting.com> References: <4EAC9C7C.4060906@colbyconsulting.com> <002701cc9711$c8f37b60$5ada7220$@net> <4EAD8D1E.4000206@colbyconsulting.com> <000001cc973e$b9e06840$2da138c0$@net> <4EADB1B8.2080605@colbyconsulting.com> <001101cc9753$b42e3a70$1c8aaf50$@net> <4EADE17D.1070205@colbyconsulting.com> <001801cc9772$e68f7910$b3ae6b30$@net> <4EAE0F47.5060601@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <002d01cc97c6$51952770$f4bf7650$@net> John - I've now become the tech "poster child" for the penalties caused by "scrimpting" on technology. Bottomline: Ya can't properly mix brand new stuff (SSD, Big LCD's) and old stuff (AM2, 2009 motherboards, old chipsets, etc). Now I've got a "Frankenbuild" - HAH ! From fuller.artful at gmail.com Mon Oct 31 08:17:25 2011 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2011 09:17:25 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Windows can be so much fun In-Reply-To: <002d01cc97c6$51952770$f4bf7650$@net> References: <4EAC9C7C.4060906@colbyconsulting.com> <002701cc9711$c8f37b60$5ada7220$@net> <4EAD8D1E.4000206@colbyconsulting.com> <000001cc973e$b9e06840$2da138c0$@net> <4EADB1B8.2080605@colbyconsulting.com> <001101cc9753$b42e3a70$1c8aaf50$@net> <4EADE17D.1070205@colbyconsulting.com> <001801cc9772$e68f7910$b3ae6b30$@net> <4EAE0F47.5060601@colbyconsulting.com> <002d01cc97c6$51952770$f4bf7650$@net> Message-ID: Wow I like FrankenBuild. That is totally awesome. The software that dares not name its name. A. From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Mon Oct 31 10:38:58 2011 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2011 11:38:58 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Windows can be so much fun In-Reply-To: <002d01cc97c6$51952770$f4bf7650$@net> References: <4EAC9C7C.4060906@colbyconsulting.com> <002701cc9711$c8f37b60$5ada7220$@net> <4EAD8D1E.4000206@colbyconsulting.com> <000001cc973e$b9e06840$2da138c0$@net> <4EADB1B8.2080605@colbyconsulting.com> <001101cc9753$b42e3a70$1c8aaf50$@net> <4EADE17D.1070205@colbyconsulting.com> <001801cc9772$e68f7910$b3ae6b30$@net> <4EAE0F47.5060601@colbyconsulting.com> <002d01cc97c6$51952770$f4bf7650$@net> Message-ID: <4EAEC112.8070207@colbyconsulting.com> LOL. I have to say I have built a couple of low end systems but what I do is go shop the low end of the latest (or one step back) motherboards / processors. Today that means an AM3 motherboard and processor. Or better AM3+ motherboard and an AM3 processor. What is happening right now is that the DDR3 has crossed the "lowest average cost" threshold and replaced DDR2. I just finished replacing my VM server. I am using my old quad core but in a new AM3+ with new DDR3 ram. I spent about $180 for my motherboard and $80 for 16 gigs of ram. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131736 But I already had a low end graphics card and I already had my processor. I thought that $260 was a darned good price for a state of the art motherboard and memory. I am still hanging out waiting for the new FX series processors to solidify. I figure that the prices will start to drop as AMD admits that they don't compete against Intel at their current price point. Probably early next year AMD will release the first major update to the chip itself making it a better bargain as well. I can wait. The whole integrated graphics thing is a huge draw, believe me I know. When I built my HTPCs I used hand me downs from my old servers which had the integrated video. For that purpose it worked swimmingly. John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it On 10/31/2011 8:12 AM, Mark Simms wrote: > John - > I've now become the tech "poster child" for the penalties caused by > "scrimpting" on technology. > Bottomline: > Ya can't properly mix brand new stuff (SSD, Big LCD's) and old stuff (AM2, > 2009 motherboards, old chipsets, etc). > > Now I've got a "Frankenbuild" - HAH ! > > > From davidmcafee at gmail.com Mon Oct 31 14:14:05 2011 From: davidmcafee at gmail.com (David McAfee) Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2011 12:14:05 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Text field not editable, weird issue Message-ID: I'm experiencing something weird on a user's computer. New user (to my database app), new screen (built specifically for her). Her screen works great on my computer whether I'm logged in to the ADP as me or as her. On her computer, it seems to be stuck in a previous text box After Update event. The first text box on the screen is where she enters the PO#. Here is the code in the after update event: Private Sub txtTranNo_AfterUpdate() DoCmd.SetWarnings False Me.lstModelSumm.RowSource = "EXEC dbo.stpSelectTempMach 0" DoCmd.SetWarnings True Me.lstPoResults.RowSource = "EXEC dbo.stpPurchasedMachinesByPO '" & Me.txtTranNo & "'" If Nz(lstPoResults.Column(0, 1), "") <> "" Then Me.lstPoResults.Selected(1) = True Call PopulateFields Else Call ClearEntryFields End If End Sub I put a break point on the very first line and stepped through every line. On my computer I can click on any entry field and enter data or combo box and select a row. I can do same either logged in as her or myself on my box. On her computer (logged in as her or myself), I can step through every line, but If I click on any other control, it behaves as if those controls are locked and if the break point still exists the first line of txtTranNo_AfterUpdate() is highlighted yellow. It is like we are stuck in the after update event. Any ideas? From charlotte.foust at gmail.com Mon Oct 31 14:52:01 2011 From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust) Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2011 12:52:01 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Text field not editable, weird issue In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Since it's an ADP, I'd suggest you check on any possible permissions differences on the two machines, both directory permissions and SQL Server permissions. Charlotte Foust On Mon, Oct 31, 2011 at 12:14 PM, David McAfee wrote: > I'm experiencing something weird on a user's computer. > > New user (to my database app), new screen (built specifically for her). > > Her screen works great on my computer whether I'm logged in to the ADP as > me or as her. > > On her computer, it seems to be stuck in a previous text box After Update > event. > > The first text box on the screen is where she enters the PO#. > > Here is the code in the after update event: > > Private Sub txtTranNo_AfterUpdate() > DoCmd.SetWarnings False > Me.lstModelSumm.RowSource = "EXEC dbo.stpSelectTempMach 0" > DoCmd.SetWarnings True > Me.lstPoResults.RowSource = "EXEC dbo.stpPurchasedMachinesByPO '" & > Me.txtTranNo & "'" > If Nz(lstPoResults.Column(0, 1), "") <> "" Then > Me.lstPoResults.Selected(1) = True > Call PopulateFields > Else > Call ClearEntryFields > End If > > End Sub > > I put a break point on the very first line and stepped through every line. > > On my computer I can click on any entry field and enter data or combo box > and select a row. > > I can do same either logged in as her or myself on my box. > > On her computer (logged in as her or myself), I can step through every > line, but If I click on any other control, > it behaves as if those controls are locked and if the break point still > exists the first line of > txtTranNo_AfterUpdate() is highlighted yellow. > > It is like we are stuck in the after update event. > > Any ideas? > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > From newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz Mon Oct 31 18:00:50 2011 From: newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz (newsgrps) Date: Tue, 01 Nov 2011 12:00:50 +1300 Subject: [AccessD] Cannot open adp in Access 2010 Message-ID: <20111031230044.THAT28897.mta02.xtra.co.nz@David-PC.dalyn.co.nz> I have a number of ADP's created in Access 2002. They open fine in Access 2002. When I try to open them in a recently installed version of Access 2010 (installed on the same machine) the screen flashes and then returns to the File menu where I was trying to open the database from. The file has not opened. I can create a new ADP from Access 2010 and link to either my SQL 2000 or SQL 2008R2 databases. All the SQL objects appear in the navigation pane. If I close the new ADP and try to open it I get the same problem as above. However, I can open the newly created ADP's in Access 2002! The problem was happening before I installed Office SP1, and still persists after installing it. Does anyone else with multiple versions of access have the same problem? Regards David Emerson Dalyn Software Ltd Wellington, New Zealand From davidmcafee at gmail.com Mon Oct 31 18:18:13 2011 From: davidmcafee at gmail.com (David McAfee) Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2011 16:18:13 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Text field not editable, weird issue In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I've checked everything that I could possibly think of. I've signed on to her computer with my network credentials (admin) and it is definitely an issue on her box. I see no missing references. She has Access 2003 installed on her box (Win XP SP3) I develop in Vista / Access 2007, but in 2002-2003 file format. (The ADP was originally created in A2000) I tried putting an exit sub before the end sub. The moment any other control is touched, the after update fires for txtTranNo. It's behaving almost like if the code was in the Before Update event and I was canceling the event. I tried to set focus on another control on the very last line of the sub and I get a 2110 error (can't move focus to control txtSN) On Mon, Oct 31, 2011 at 12:52 PM, Charlotte Foust wrote: > Since it's an ADP, I'd suggest you check on any possible permissions > differences on the two machines, both directory permissions and SQL Server > permissions. > > Charlotte Foust > > On Mon, Oct 31, 2011 at 12:14 PM, David McAfee >wrote: > > > I'm experiencing something weird on a user's computer. > > > > New user (to my database app), new screen (built specifically for her). > > > > Her screen works great on my computer whether I'm logged in to the ADP as > > me or as her. > > > > On her computer, it seems to be stuck in a previous text box After Update > > event. > > > > The first text box on the screen is where she enters the PO#. > > > > Here is the code in the after update event: > > > > Private Sub txtTranNo_AfterUpdate() > > DoCmd.SetWarnings False > > Me.lstModelSumm.RowSource = "EXEC dbo.stpSelectTempMach 0" > > DoCmd.SetWarnings True > > Me.lstPoResults.RowSource = "EXEC dbo.stpPurchasedMachinesByPO '" & > > Me.txtTranNo & "'" > > If Nz(lstPoResults.Column(0, 1), "") <> "" Then > > Me.lstPoResults.Selected(1) = True > > Call PopulateFields > > Else > > Call ClearEntryFields > > End If > > > > End Sub > > > > I put a break point on the very first line and stepped through every > line. > > > > On my computer I can click on any entry field and enter data or combo box > > and select a row. > > > > I can do same either logged in as her or myself on my box. > > > > On her computer (logged in as her or myself), I can step through every > > line, but If I click on any other control, > > it behaves as if those controls are locked and if the break point still > > exists the first line of > > txtTranNo_AfterUpdate() is highlighted yellow. > > > > It is like we are stuck in the after update event. > > > > Any ideas? > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > > > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From charlotte.foust at gmail.com Mon Oct 31 18:54:28 2011 From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust) Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2011 16:54:28 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Text field not editable, weird issue In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Is this the only user or just the only one having problems? Is there a copy of the ADP on her box or is she accessing it from a network site? If the app is on her machine, have you done a decompile and recompile on the app? Once in a while breakpoints will get stuck and only recompiling will get rid of them. If you comment out all the code in that routine but leave the shell, does the application run without an error? Is the next control in the tab order one of the two you're resetting the rowsource on? Charlotte Foust On Mon, Oct 31, 2011 at 4:18 PM, David McAfee wrote: > I've checked everything that I could possibly think of. > > I've signed on to her computer with my network credentials (admin) and it > is definitely an issue on her box. > > I see no missing references. > > She has Access 2003 installed on her box (Win XP SP3) > > I develop in Vista / Access 2007, but in 2002-2003 file format. (The ADP > was originally created in A2000) > > I tried putting an exit sub before the end sub. > The moment any other control is touched, the after update fires for > txtTranNo. > > It's behaving almost like if the code was in the Before Update event and I > was canceling the event. > > I tried to set focus on another control on the very last line of the sub > and I get a 2110 error (can't move focus to control txtSN) > > > > > On Mon, Oct 31, 2011 at 12:52 PM, Charlotte Foust < > charlotte.foust at gmail.com > > wrote: > > > Since it's an ADP, I'd suggest you check on any possible permissions > > differences on the two machines, both directory permissions and SQL > Server > > permissions. > > > > Charlotte Foust > > > > On Mon, Oct 31, 2011 at 12:14 PM, David McAfee > >wrote: > > > > > I'm experiencing something weird on a user's computer. > > > > > > New user (to my database app), new screen (built specifically for her). > > > > > > Her screen works great on my computer whether I'm logged in to the ADP > as > > > me or as her. > > > > > > On her computer, it seems to be stuck in a previous text box After > Update > > > event. > > > > > > The first text box on the screen is where she enters the PO#. > > > > > > Here is the code in the after update event: > > > > > > Private Sub txtTranNo_AfterUpdate() > > > DoCmd.SetWarnings False > > > Me.lstModelSumm.RowSource = "EXEC dbo.stpSelectTempMach 0" > > > DoCmd.SetWarnings True > > > Me.lstPoResults.RowSource = "EXEC dbo.stpPurchasedMachinesByPO '" & > > > Me.txtTranNo & "'" > > > If Nz(lstPoResults.Column(0, 1), "") <> "" Then > > > Me.lstPoResults.Selected(1) = True > > > Call PopulateFields > > > Else > > > Call ClearEntryFields > > > End If > > > > > > End Sub > > > > > > I put a break point on the very first line and stepped through every > > line. > > > > > > On my computer I can click on any entry field and enter data or combo > box > > > and select a row. > > > > > > I can do same either logged in as her or myself on my box. > > > > > > On her computer (logged in as her or myself), I can step through every > > > line, but If I click on any other control, > > > it behaves as if those controls are locked and if the break point still > > > exists the first line of > > > txtTranNo_AfterUpdate() is highlighted yellow. > > > > > > It is like we are stuck in the after update event. > > > > > > Any ideas? > > > -- > > > AccessD mailing list > > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > > > > > > > > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > From newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz Mon Oct 31 20:08:41 2011 From: newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz (newsgrps) Date: Tue, 01 Nov 2011 14:08:41 +1300 Subject: [AccessD] Cannot open adp in Access 2010 - Solved In-Reply-To: <20111031230044.THAT28897.mta02.xtra.co.nz@David-PC.dalyn.c o.nz> References: <20111031230044.THAT28897.mta02.xtra.co.nz@David-PC.dalyn.co.nz> Message-ID: <20111101010833.YGOL18437.mta03.xtra.co.nz@David-PC.dalyn.co.nz> Found the problem. The VBA Source Control Add-in was trying to load (I think). When I tried to open a module from an MDB a message came up saying VBA Source was not installed. I cleared the load behaviour boxes in the Add-in Manager and the error message went away. Then when I tried to load an ADP it loaded fine. David At 1/11/2011, newsgrps wrote: >I have a number of ADP's created in Access 2002. They open fine in >Access 2002. > >When I try to open them in a recently installed version of Access >2010 (installed on the same machine) the screen flashes and then >returns to the File menu where I was trying to open the database >from. The file has not opened. > >I can create a new ADP from Access 2010 and link to either my SQL >2000 or SQL 2008R2 databases. All the SQL objects appear in the >navigation pane. If I close the new ADP and try to open it I get the >same problem as above. However, I can open the newly created ADP's >in Access 2002! > >The problem was happening before I installed Office SP1, and still >persists after installing it. > >Does anyone else with multiple versions of access have the same problem? > > >Regards > >David Emerson >Dalyn Software Ltd >Wellington, New Zealand >-- >AccessD mailing list >AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Sat Oct 1 07:37:07 2011 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Sat, 01 Oct 2011 08:37:07 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] The windows 7 upgrade experience Message-ID: <4E870973.3040301@colbyconsulting.com> I moved my 3 year old Dell M90 laptop to Windows. I purchased the Seagate Momentus XT hybrid drive (it has an SSD cache) and did a clean install of Windows 7 and started the migration. So much fun. I also installed Office 2003 and then Office 2010. Now, even though 2003 is the default when I double click an access database, if I right click in a directory and tell it to create a new database, it creates an Access 2010 database. Does anyone know where that property is stored / changed? Windows is soooooo much fun. I have to say I like Windows 7 much better than Vista. I realize it is really just Vista Service Pack 57 but it still just seems to work better. And I really like the combination of the Seagate XT drive and Windows 7 (clean install). So far it is booting to the logon in just a few seconds and from there to a usable desktop in just a few more seconds. And yea, I know that it may not stay that way after installing / uninstalling a jillion things. But for today it feels like a brand new computer. jwcolby Colby Consulting From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Sat Oct 1 07:45:50 2011 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Sat, 01 Oct 2011 08:45:50 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Strange experience Message-ID: <4E870B7E.2030605@colbyconsulting.com> As I recover from the clean install I am trying to get my billing database working again. For some reason the database container is read only. In file / properties it is read only and if I try to make any change in Access it gives me a "cannot save changes". I go into Explorer and sure enough it is readonly for the "all users". So I change it and save the changes. Go out and back in and the file is now "full control". I can now save a change to a module, and it does in fact seem to save. However one of the local tables inside of the fe had a date() default value. From the debug window date() works just fine. However if i try to add a record Jet does not understand the date() in the default property. Not only that, but after trying to save the record (and failing because jet does not understand date()) the access database is back to read only. And of course I have real work to do and really don't want to play these games. I am going to build a new fe and pull everything in and see what happens. Of course Explorer thingk I want an Access 10 container when I right click / create new database. Sigh. jwcolby Colby Consulting From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Sat Oct 1 07:54:29 2011 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Sat, 01 Oct 2011 08:54:29 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Explorer right click Message-ID: <4E870D85.7060508@colbyconsulting.com> Well it seems that when I was creating an access object in explorer (right click) I was selecting the top selection which is something 2010 related. The 2003 database object is down the list further. So that mystery solved. -- John W. Colby Colby Consulting From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Sat Oct 1 07:55:22 2011 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2011 05:55:22 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] The windows 7 upgrade experience In-Reply-To: <4E870973.3040301@colbyconsulting.com> References: <4E870973.3040301@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <4CEA3C0CF7064A63A805A47B28D4620D@HAL9007> DO you have that "Installing...." thing whenever you switch from 2003 to 2010 of vv? Rocky -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2011 5:37 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: [AccessD] The windows 7 upgrade experience I moved my 3 year old Dell M90 laptop to Windows. I purchased the Seagate Momentus XT hybrid drive (it has an SSD cache) and did a clean install of Windows 7 and started the migration. So much fun. I also installed Office 2003 and then Office 2010. Now, even though 2003 is the default when I double click an access database, if I right click in a directory and tell it to create a new database, it creates an Access 2010 database. Does anyone know where that property is stored / changed? Windows is soooooo much fun. I have to say I like Windows 7 much better than Vista. I realize it is really just Vista Service Pack 57 but it still just seems to work better. And I really like the combination of the Seagate XT drive and Windows 7 (clean install). So far it is booting to the logon in just a few seconds and from there to a usable desktop in just a few more seconds. And yea, I know that it may not stay that way after installing / uninstalling a jillion things. But for today it feels like a brand new computer. jwcolby Colby Consulting -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Sat Oct 1 08:50:59 2011 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Sat, 01 Oct 2011 09:50:59 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Object or class does not support the set of events Message-ID: <4E871AC3.60604@colbyconsulting.com> Holy cow man things just get worse and worse. In lookingup the error message in the subject I found something about having Access "run as administrator". Somehow I found and set that and now *everything* is broken. As I open Access it does the UAC thing (screen dims and asks if i want to allow the application to make changes), then Access tries to open and gives me a "There was a problem sending the command to the program.", then Access does in fact open. What have I done and how do I undo it? I cannot seem to find my back to where I set that property. Will a restore point get rid of this crap? I have billing to get done and I am broken. I have spent two hours on just this stuff and I am now further from a solution than when I started. @#$&*&*^&)(*_)(*)&*%&^#%$#!%*()&_)*_)*(!!!!! -- John W. Colby Colby Consulting From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Sat Oct 1 09:22:45 2011 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Sat, 01 Oct 2011 10:22:45 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] The windows 7 upgrade experience In-Reply-To: <4CEA3C0CF7064A63A805A47B28D4620D@HAL9007> References: <4E870973.3040301@colbyconsulting.com> <4CEA3C0CF7064A63A805A47B28D4620D@HAL9007> Message-ID: <4E872235.8010709@colbyconsulting.com> Yes. On 10/1/2011 8:55 AM, Rocky Smolin wrote: > DO you have that "Installing...." thing whenever you switch from 2003 to > 2010 of vv? > > Rocky > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby > Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2011 5:37 AM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: [AccessD] The windows 7 upgrade experience > > I moved my 3 year old Dell M90 laptop to Windows. I purchased the Seagate > Momentus XT hybrid drive (it has an SSD cache) and did a clean install of > Windows 7 and started the migration. So much fun. > > I also installed Office 2003 and then Office 2010. Now, even though 2003 is > the default when I double click an access database, if I right click in a > directory and tell it to create a new database, it creates an Access 2010 > database. > > Does anyone know where that property is stored / changed? > > Windows is soooooo much fun. > > I have to say I like Windows 7 much better than Vista. I realize it is > really just Vista Service Pack 57 but it still just seems to work better. > > And I really like the combination of the Seagate XT drive and Windows 7 > (clean install). So far it is booting to the logon in just a few seconds > and from there to a usable desktop in just a few more seconds. And yea, I > know that it may not stay that way after installing / uninstalling a jillion > things. But for today it feels like a brand new computer. > > jwcolby > Colby Consulting > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From fuller.artful at gmail.com Sat Oct 1 09:35:29 2011 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2011 10:35:29 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Object or class does not support the set of events In-Reply-To: <4E871AC3.60604@colbyconsulting.com> References: <4E871AC3.60604@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: I have no solutions for you. But IIRC, you're the guy with RAM and SSHDs to die for, so why aren't you using all your spiffy hardware and software to create some VMs and do this in-situ, as it were? And further, why don't you have one box dedicated to "meat and potatoes", and everything else located elsewhere? My close friend Peter Simpson has a pretty cool hardware setup which I envy. I cannot describe the HW details but the essence is this. He has five or six boxes and one keyboard and monitor and mouse, and by flicking a switch, he suddenly moves from Box 1 to Box 2 etc. One box runs Win7, another wXP, another Ubuntu, another RedHat, and yet another Solaris. Someday soon I shall waterboard him for all the details on how to set this up, but at the moment it's a total mystery to me. I just watch him press some magic keystrokes and then suddenly he's in another box, and I don't mean VM, I mean another physical box. I feel that I can no longer keep up with the rapidly-changing technology. I think I'm too old for this career-path. China plans to overtake USA in space-launches. Good thing I'm learning Mandarin (and am actually getting pretty adept; well no, let's settle for "I have the basics", and Cantonese is a way tougher nut to crack, but I'm working on it). A. From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Sat Oct 1 10:13:18 2011 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Sat, 01 Oct 2011 11:13:18 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Object or class does not support the set of events In-Reply-To: References: <4E871AC3.60604@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <4E872E0E.7050601@colbyconsulting.com> > My close friend Peter Simpson has a pretty cool hardware setup which I envy. I cannot describe the HW details but the essence is this. He has five or six boxes and one keyboard and monitor and mouse, and by flicking a switch, he suddenly moves from Box 1 to Box 2 etc. One box runs Win7, another wXP, another Ubuntu, another RedHat, and yet another Solaris. It is called a kvm switch (Keyboard Video Mouse switch). I have one of those but when I moved two of my three server machines to the basement the kvm switch went with it. As for the "why no dedicated virtual machine", well it has to do with I run off of a laptop which is supposed to be portable. VMs, at least on my server are... well... on my server. While I experimented with running them on my laptop they tend to be large-ish and take up disk space. Until this point, my laptop disks were not really big enough to support virtual machines. Plus a laptop by its nature does not have the most powerful / speedy processor chips. The new disk is 500 gigs, which I broke into 100g for the boot and 400 for the data. I intend to reassess the reality of VMs nw that I have this much storage. In the meantime, the billing program is broken. I am going to try running it directly in Access 2010 and see if that works. If so it will provide the imputus to make the switch and learn the (*&%^%$#$#! toolbar interface. If it still does not work I will remove Office 2010 entirely. It appears that it has to do with having both 2003 and 2010 installed at the same time. Maybe. John W. Colby Colby Consulting On 10/1/2011 10:35 AM, Arthur Fuller wrote: > I have no solutions for you. But IIRC, you're the guy with RAM and SSHDs to > die for, so why aren't you using all your spiffy hardware and software to > create some VMs and do this in-situ, as it were? And further, why don't you > have one box dedicated to "meat and potatoes", and everything else located > elsewhere? > > My close friend Peter Simpson has a pretty cool hardware setup which I envy. > I cannot describe the HW details but the essence is this. He has five or six > boxes and one keyboard and monitor and mouse, and by flicking a switch, he > suddenly moves from Box 1 to Box 2 etc. One box runs Win7, another wXP, > another Ubuntu, another RedHat, and yet another Solaris. > > Someday soon I shall waterboard him for all the details on how to set this > up, but at the moment it's a total mystery to me. I just watch him press > some magic keystrokes and then suddenly he's in another box, and I don't > mean VM, I mean another physical box. > > I feel that I can no longer keep up with the rapidly-changing technology. I > think I'm too old for this career-path. China plans to overtake USA in > space-launches. Good thing I'm learning Mandarin (and am actually getting > pretty adept; well no, let's settle for "I have the basics", and Cantonese > is a way tougher nut to crack, but I'm working on it). > > A. From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Sat Oct 1 10:22:33 2011 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Sat, 01 Oct 2011 11:22:33 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Billing works in 2010 Message-ID: <4E873039.4030700@colbyconsulting.com> Well let's say it opens without the complaints that 2003 was giving me. I can log in past my presentation level security. It was the login form that was complaining in 2003. But my time sheet entry is not working. At this point *anything* is progress! ;) -- John W. Colby Colby Consulting From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Sat Oct 1 10:55:26 2011 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Sat, 01 Oct 2011 11:55:26 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Billing "Fully working" in 2010 Message-ID: <4E8737EE.6000805@colbyconsulting.com> I had to relink my views (SQL Server). It seems that I had not stored the password in the link or something. The tables were r/w but the views were ro. So it appears that 4 hours later I am able to use my billing app in 2010. It still gives the same error message in 2003. Unfortunately I use Outlook to send/receive email and it remains to be configured. or move to Blat or the likes. -- John W. Colby Colby Consulting From fuller.artful at gmail.com Sat Oct 1 11:23:56 2011 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2011 12:23:56 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Object or class does not support the set of events In-Reply-To: <4E872E0E.7050601@colbyconsulting.com> References: <4E871AC3.60604@colbyconsulting.com> <4E872E0E.7050601@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: My suggestion is to run each of these apps in its own VM, the principle reason being that no bedbugs can clutter any other installation. Thus you can have an XP VM, an Ubuntu VM, a Win7 VM and even a Win8 VM, all residing comfortably within your vast amount of RAM. My suggestion is that you create a VM that exactly mirrors your clients' setup, and do all your development work within that environment. This will (in theory) obviate any possible library-collisions, updates and so on. In practise, I have five VMs at the ready. Two are tailored to clients' in-sutu, with nothing loaded in the given instance but wXP in one case and w7 in the other; the others are devoted to various flavours of Linux. I have no billable clients on Linux but I keep on learning, and I don't want anything I do in any environment to screw up what already works in any given VM. The upside is that everything (e;g; every client's world) is protected from anything stupid that I may do on the base.The downside is that I have to remember all the backups and their schedules; but I am willing to trade off this for that. At the moment, this whole op is relatively trivial: two clients plus me. Perhaps my approach might grow unwieldy, in the face of dozens or hundreds of clients, but for the moment it works, and I can even envision its scalability. It is quite possible that the future shall prove me wrong, and that I shall have to rethink this, someday down the road. But for the moment, which involves a client-base of two, it works so far. From fuller.artful at gmail.com Sat Oct 1 11:29:11 2011 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2011 12:29:11 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Billing "Fully working" in 2010 In-Reply-To: <4E8737EE.6000805@colbyconsulting.com> References: <4E8737EE.6000805@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: Oh boy. Have you considered gmail? IMO it is way better than any other player, and a cool thing about it is, if you have a laptop and want to visit Starbucks, you can connect with everything intact. As for me, I gave up on Outlook two or three years ago, and I will never go back. A. On Sat, Oct 1, 2011 at 11:55 AM, jwcolby wrote: > I had to relink my views (SQL Server). It seems that I had not stored the > password in the link or something. The tables were r/w but the views were > ro. > > So it appears that 4 hours later I am able to use my billing app in 2010. > It still gives the same error message in 2003. > > Unfortunately I use Outlook to send/receive email and it remains to be > configured. or move to Blat or the likes. > > From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Sat Oct 1 12:06:10 2011 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Sat, 01 Oct 2011 13:06:10 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Billing "Fully working" in 2010 In-Reply-To: References: <4E8737EE.6000805@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <4E874882.5090009@colbyconsulting.com> Do you automate gmail? My billing program generates invoices which I then attach to an outlook email and send. John W. Colby Colby Consulting On 10/1/2011 12:29 PM, Arthur Fuller wrote: > Oh boy. Have you considered gmail? IMO it is way better than any other > player, and a cool thing about it is, if you have a laptop and want to visit > Starbucks, you can connect with everything intact. > > As for me, I gave up on Outlook two or three years ago, and I will never go > back. > > A. > > On Sat, Oct 1, 2011 at 11:55 AM, jwcolbywrote: > >> I had to relink my views (SQL Server). It seems that I had not stored the >> password in the link or something. The tables were r/w but the views were >> ro. >> >> So it appears that 4 hours later I am able to use my billing app in 2010. >> It still gives the same error message in 2003. >> >> Unfortunately I use Outlook to send/receive email and it remains to be >> configured. or move to Blat or the likes. >> >> From john at winhaven.net Sat Oct 1 12:59:37 2011 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2011 12:59:37 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Billing "Fully working" in 2010 In-Reply-To: <4E874882.5090009@colbyconsulting.com> References: <4E8737EE.6000805@colbyconsulting.com> <4E874882.5090009@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <00d701cc8063$e284e6a0$a78eb3e0$@winhaven.net> That's the problem with web based email programs. Automating them and being assured that they don't change without you being notified. I've recently been burned in this regards by Live Mail and Hotmail so beware. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2011 12:06 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Billing "Fully working" in 2010 Do you automate gmail? My billing program generates invoices which I then attach to an outlook email and send. John W. Colby Colby Consulting On 10/1/2011 12:29 PM, Arthur Fuller wrote: > Oh boy. Have you considered gmail? IMO it is way better than any other > player, and a cool thing about it is, if you have a laptop and want to > visit Starbucks, you can connect with everything intact. > > As for me, I gave up on Outlook two or three years ago, and I will > never go back. > > A. > > On Sat, Oct 1, 2011 at 11:55 AM, jwcolbywrote: > >> I had to relink my views (SQL Server). It seems that I had not >> stored the password in the link or something. The tables were r/w >> but the views were ro. >> >> So it appears that 4 hours later I am able to use my billing app in 2010. >> It still gives the same error message in 2003. >> >> Unfortunately I use Outlook to send/receive email and it remains to >> be configured. or move to Blat or the likes. >> >> -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From john at winhaven.net Sat Oct 1 12:59:37 2011 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2011 12:59:37 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Object or class does not support the set of events In-Reply-To: References: <4E871AC3.60604@colbyconsulting.com> <4E872E0E.7050601@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <00d801cc8063$e2d37bd0$a87a7370$@winhaven.net> I was about to suggest something similar. Run Office 2010 on your PC and office (insert old version) in a VM. You can set your virtual machine to be a window just like any other program so it is always available. Also I have had some compatibility issues between Windows 7 and Outlook 2003. Unfortunately I can recall what they were but it prompted me to just use Outlook 2010 for my email. I have all of Office 2003 in an XP VM where it works like butta! -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2011 11:24 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Object or class does not support the set of events My suggestion is to run each of these apps in its own VM, the principle reason being that no bedbugs can clutter any other installation. Thus you can have an XP VM, an Ubuntu VM, a Win7 VM and even a Win8 VM, all residing comfortably within your vast amount of RAM. My suggestion is that you create a VM that exactly mirrors your clients' setup, and do all your development work within that environment. This will (in theory) obviate any possible library-collisions, updates and so on. In practise, I have five VMs at the ready. Two are tailored to clients' in-sutu, with nothing loaded in the given instance but wXP in one case and w7 in the other; the others are devoted to various flavours of Linux. I have no billable clients on Linux but I keep on learning, and I don't want anything I do in any environment to screw up what already works in any given VM. The upside is that everything (e;g; every client's world) is protected from anything stupid that I may do on the base.The downside is that I have to remember all the backups and their schedules; but I am willing to trade off this for that. At the moment, this whole op is relatively trivial: two clients plus me. Perhaps my approach might grow unwieldy, in the face of dozens or hundreds of clients, but for the moment it works, and I can even envision its scalability. It is quite possible that the future shall prove me wrong, and that I shall have to rethink this, someday down the road. But for the moment, which involves a client-base of two, it works so far. -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Sat Oct 1 13:25:34 2011 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2011 14:25:34 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Billing "Fully working" in 2010 In-Reply-To: <4E8737EE.6000805@colbyconsulting.com> References: <4E8737EE.6000805@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: I confess that I use a version of the TIme-Billing app that was a sample app in Office 2007. I reshaped it to suit my needs and then have used it ever since. It works excellenty for my meagre requirements -- single or occasionally assistant developer, and dealing with several projects. and allowing me to assign an hour to this task and and two hours to that task, and print an invoice and send same to the client in question as a PDF file. That's enough for me, and also for Revenue Canada, our equivalent of the IRS. I needed to add a couple of columns to the sample app, and to modify the queries and reports to reflect these new columns, but basically I changed almost nothing in the sample app, and it works wonderfully for my modest needs. I have not bothered to migrate it to SQL Server, since I am the only user of this db, but I have migrated dozens of client dbs and it's a breeze to go there. I back up the BE daily and why go further if the existing solution works? Way back when, I believed the opposite: "If it works, break it, and think of something better." Well, I don't have enough time remaining in my life to continue upon this path. Younger souls may have the time and energy, but I'm out of both. If it works, leave it alone! That's my current motto. You know what, I just lied. I cannot leave a well-bed baby alone. I have to go back and tend to her. In terms of code, this means Refactoring, and even if the client is not willing to pay, I can't help revisiting apps delivered and accepted. I revisit them compulsively, and I look at the 20+lines of code and think, couldn't this be 10 lines? And so on. I can't help it, even though the last invoice to the given client might have been a year ago. I return to the code and inspect it and think, "What an idiot On Sat, Oct 1, 2011 at 11:55 AM, jwcolby wrote: > I had to relink my views (SQL Server). It seems that I had not stored the > password in the link or something. The tables were r/w but the views were > ro. > > So it appears that 4 hours later I am able to use my billing app in 2010. > It still gives the same error message in 2003. > > Unfortunately I use Outlook to send/receive email and it remains to be > configured. or move to Blat or the likes. > > -- > John W. Colby > Colby Consulting > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.**com > From fuller.artful at gmail.com Sat Oct 1 13:40:17 2011 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2011 14:40:17 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Billing "Fully working" in 2010 In-Reply-To: <4E874882.5090009@colbyconsulting.com> References: <4E8737EE.6000805@colbyconsulting.com> <4E874882.5090009@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: You're way ahead of me on that one. I do it manually, but then I only have two clients and judging by your emails you have lots! And so it should be, you got plenty of skills and I rather fewer. But I shall just plod on with my meagre skill set, and hope for the best. I just had a great conversation with my neighbor Bessie, whose first language is Greek. I know a handful of words; I'm much better at Cantonese and Mandarin, although even there I'm pretty shaky, but I'm trying. It's election time in Ontario, and I'm out there stumping for my old friend Peter Tabuns, NDP (in USA-English that would be equivalent to socialist LOL, but that is far from the truth. I just stopped in to see what condition my email was in; now it's back out to hanging the drops in every mail-drop. Frankly this riding is a shoe-in, we've carried it for 20+ years, but still, one must tread the paths and hand out the literature. This is my lovely weekend. Stumping is physical, not at all virtual. You do your prison thing, and for that I applaud you profoundly. I do my little bit toward electing the NDP here in Ontario. It may not amount to a hill of beans, but it's better than doing nothing. Arthur On Sat, Oct 1, 2011 at 1:06 PM, jwcolby wrote: > Do you automate gmail? My billing program generates invoices which I then > attach to an outlook email and send. > > > John W. Colby > Colby Consulting > > On 10/1/2011 12:29 PM, Arthur Fuller wrote: > >> Oh boy. Have you considered gmail? IMO it is way better than any other >> player, and a cool thing about it is, if you have a laptop and want to >> visit >> Starbucks, you can connect with everything intact. >> >> As for me, I gave up on Outlook two or three years ago, and I will never >> go >> back. >> >> A. >> >> On Sat, Oct 1, 2011 at 11:55 AM, jwcolby >> >wrote: >> >> I had to relink my views (SQL Server). It seems that I had not stored >>> the >>> password in the link or something. The tables were r/w but the views >>> were >>> ro. >>> >>> So it appears that 4 hours later I am able to use my billing app in 2010. >>> It still gives the same error message in 2003. >>> >>> Unfortunately I use Outlook to send/receive email and it remains to be >>> configured. or move to Blat or the likes. >>> >>> >>> -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.**com > From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Sat Oct 1 14:42:08 2011 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Sat, 01 Oct 2011 15:42:08 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Having nothing better to do (yea right) Message-ID: <4E876D10.2060401@colbyconsulting.com> I installed Visual Studio 2008 and 2010 on my "new" laptop, including hooking up to source control. I pulled the main client projects into 2008 and then into 2010, whereupon 2010 insisted on converting the 2008 to 2010. It then occurred to me that if I saved it to source control I would be screwing up the 2008 code (which is the production version). I guess I need to store 2010 out as a new version, just to play with. We have much experience in VS 2008 but I have none in 2010 though Paul does. I also downloaded the XNA game studio 4.0 for VS 2010. I have been hankering for years to re-write the old Empire game from scratch in a modern environment. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classic_Empire_(video_game) I have played that game since the late 80s and amazingly, it still runs under Windows 2007. It was the grandpappy of most modern strategy war games and I play it to this day against the computer. Wouldn't it be cool to do it in C#, classes, sql server express as a data store, multi-player over the internet? I have only ever played it against another live person one time, when I played against my uncle on his Mac. I am convinced I am a better player than he, but he wiped the floor with me because, I believe, the rules (strategy tables) between the mac version and the pc version were sufficiently different. Playing against another person consisted of physically exchanging the computer between turns, very crude. Now days we could play against each other on different continents. Having nothing better to do... -- John W. Colby Colby Consulting From accessd at shaw.ca Sat Oct 1 15:09:53 2011 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2011 13:09:53 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Having nothing better to do (yea right) In-Reply-To: <4E876D10.2060401@colbyconsulting.com> References: <4E876D10.2060401@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: That sounds like a fun project John. Jim -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2011 12:42 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving; VBA Subject: [AccessD] Having nothing better to do (yea right) I installed Visual Studio 2008 and 2010 on my "new" laptop, including hooking up to source control. I pulled the main client projects into 2008 and then into 2010, whereupon 2010 insisted on converting the 2008 to 2010. It then occurred to me that if I saved it to source control I would be screwing up the 2008 code (which is the production version). I guess I need to store 2010 out as a new version, just to play with. We have much experience in VS 2008 but I have none in 2010 though Paul does. I also downloaded the XNA game studio 4.0 for VS 2010. I have been hankering for years to re-write the old Empire game from scratch in a modern environment. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classic_Empire_(video_game) I have played that game since the late 80s and amazingly, it still runs under Windows 2007. It was the grandpappy of most modern strategy war games and I play it to this day against the computer. Wouldn't it be cool to do it in C#, classes, sql server express as a data store, multi-player over the internet? I have only ever played it against another live person one time, when I played against my uncle on his Mac. I am convinced I am a better player than he, but he wiped the floor with me because, I believe, the rules (strategy tables) between the mac version and the pc version were sufficiently different. Playing against another person consisted of physically exchanging the computer between turns, very crude. Now days we could play against each other on different continents. Having nothing better to do... -- John W. Colby Colby Consulting -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Sat Oct 1 15:13:52 2011 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Sat, 01 Oct 2011 16:13:52 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] True Crypt whole disk encryption Message-ID: <4E877480.2080209@colbyconsulting.com> The last iteration with my laptop I used Windows Bit locker to perform a whole disk encryption. This time I am using Windows 7 Home Premium which does not include Bit locker. I had just about decided to use True Crypt anyway because with Bil Locker I was unable to mount the old hard disk on another computer to pull the old contents off onto the new disk. So when I installed Windows 7 I broke the disk into three partitions, a 6 gig for the swap file, 100 gig for the OS/programs and 400 gig for data. I then started Truecrypt and told it to go to work encrypting the whole thing and went to bed. In the morning... the computer had decided to sleep during the night (lazy thing!) and so it was only 25% finished. It took most of the day to finish encrypting the entire disk (all partitions) and so here I am. Having done that I decided to hang the truecrypt encrypted disk on another computer, put the old disk back in and push the disk contents out to the other disk. The other disk would not finish loading Windows with the truecrypt encrypted disk on it! It would start to load Windows (2008 server) and then apparently it ran into the true crypt disk and couldn't handle it. It just hung, never finished loading windows. In the end I told the bitlocker software to unencrypt the old disk, then hung that on another machine and put the truecrypt disk back in the laptop, and pulled everything into the new disk. Well not everything but you know what I mean. At least I can do that with the unencrypted disk drive. Things never work the way I envision them working. Truecrypt is not significantly slowing down the new disk. I do have to enter the password at the point where the bios tries to load windows, then off it goes. Not good for auto reboot after software updates... -- John W. Colby Colby Consulting From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Sat Oct 1 15:55:58 2011 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Sun, 02 Oct 2011 06:55:58 +1000 Subject: [AccessD] Object or class does not support the set of events In-Reply-To: <4E872E0E.7050601@colbyconsulting.com> References: <4E871AC3.60604@colbyconsulting.com>, , <4E872E0E.7050601@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <4E877E5E.30439.419E988@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> I've been running different versions of Access in VirtualBox VMs on my laptop for a couple of years with no problems. (Intel 2,4GB Core2 Duo, 4GM Ram, , 320GB partitioned into 22 drives, Vista) -- Stuart On 1 Oct 2011 at 11:13, jwcolby wrote: > > As for the "why no dedicated virtual machine", well it has to do with > I run off of a laptop which is supposed to be portable. VMs, at least > on my server are... well... on my server. While I experimented with > running them on my laptop they tend to be large-ish and take up disk > space. Until this point, my laptop disks were not really big enough > to support virtual machines. Plus a laptop by its nature does not > have the most powerful / speedy processor chips. > > The new disk is 500 gigs, which I broke into 100g for the boot and 400 > for the data. I intend to reassess the reality of VMs nw that I have > this much storage. > > In the meantime, the billing program is broken. > > I am going to try running it directly in Access 2010 and see if that > works. If so it will provide the imputus to make the switch and learn > the (*&%^%$#$#! toolbar interface. If it still does not work I will > remove Office 2010 entirely. It appears that it has to do with having > both 2003 and 2010 installed at the same time. Maybe. > > John W. Colby > Colby Consulting > > > On 10/1/2011 10:35 AM, Arthur Fuller wrote: > > I have no solutions for you. But IIRC, you're the guy with RAM and > > SSHDs to die for, so why aren't you using all your spiffy hardware > > and software to create some VMs and do this in-situ, as it were? And > > further, why don't you have one box dedicated to "meat and > > potatoes", and everything else located elsewhere? > > > > My close friend Peter Simpson has a pretty cool hardware setup which > > I envy. I cannot describe the HW details but the essence is this. He > > has five or six boxes and one keyboard and monitor and mouse, and by > > flicking a switch, he suddenly moves from Box 1 to Box 2 etc. One > > box runs Win7, another wXP, another Ubuntu, another RedHat, and yet > > another Solaris. > > > > Someday soon I shall waterboard him for all the details on how to > > set this up, but at the moment it's a total mystery to me. I just > > watch him press some magic keystrokes and then suddenly he's in > > another box, and I don't mean VM, I mean another physical box. > > > > I feel that I can no longer keep up with the rapidly-changing > > technology. I think I'm too old for this career-path. China plans to > > overtake USA in space-launches. Good thing I'm learning Mandarin > > (and am actually getting pretty adept; well no, let's settle for "I > > have the basics", and Cantonese is a way tougher nut to crack, but > > I'm working on it). > > > > A. > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Sat Oct 1 16:03:09 2011 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Sat, 01 Oct 2011 17:03:09 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Object or class does not support the set of events In-Reply-To: <4E877E5E.30439.419E988@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: <4E871AC3.60604@colbyconsulting.com>, , <4E872E0E.7050601@colbyconsulting.com> <4E877E5E.30439.419E988@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <4E87800D.2080005@colbyconsulting.com> >320GB partitioned into 22 drives, Vista That's interesting. Is a drive per vm more efficient? John W. Colby Colby Consulting On 10/1/2011 4:55 PM, Stuart McLachlan wrote: > I've been running different versions of Access in VirtualBox VMs on my laptop for a couple of > years with no problems. (Intel 2,4GB Core2 Duo, 4GM Ram, , 320GB partitioned into 22 > drives, Vista) > From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Sat Oct 1 16:19:45 2011 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Sun, 02 Oct 2011 07:19:45 +1000 Subject: [AccessD] Object or class does not support the set of events In-Reply-To: <4E87800D.2080005@colbyconsulting.com> References: <4E871AC3.60604@colbyconsulting.com>, <4E877E5E.30439.419E988@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>, <4E87800D.2080005@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <4E8783F1.24104.42FB002@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Doh, Typo - 2 Drives :-) -- Stuart On 1 Oct 2011 at 17:03, jwcolby wrote: > >320GB partitioned into 22 drives, Vista > > That's interesting. Is a drive per vm more efficient? > > John W. Colby > Colby Consulting > > On 10/1/2011 4:55 PM, Stuart McLachlan wrote: > > I've been running different versions of Access in VirtualBox VMs on > > my laptop for a couple of years with no problems. (Intel 2,4GB > > Core2 Duo, 4GM Ram, , 320GB partitioned into 22 drives, Vista) > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Sat Oct 1 22:21:02 2011 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Sat, 01 Oct 2011 23:21:02 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Object or class does not support the set of events In-Reply-To: <4E8783F1.24104.42FB002@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: <4E871AC3.60604@colbyconsulting.com>, <4E877E5E.30439.419E988@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>, <4E87800D.2080005@colbyconsulting.com> <4E8783F1.24104.42FB002@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <4E87D89E.700@colbyconsulting.com> You mean there aren't 22 different versions of office? ;) John W. Colby Colby Consulting On 10/1/2011 5:19 PM, Stuart McLachlan wrote: > Doh, > > Typo - 2 Drives :-) > From charlotte.foust at gmail.com Sat Oct 1 23:03:07 2011 From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust) Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2011 21:03:07 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Object or class does not support the set of events In-Reply-To: <4E87D89E.700@colbyconsulting.com> References: <4E871AC3.60604@colbyconsulting.com> <4E877E5E.30439.419E988@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <4E87800D.2080005@colbyconsulting.com> <4E8783F1.24104.42FB002@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <4E87D89E.700@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: No, John, those are sevice packs you're thinking of. LOL Charlotte Foust On Sat, Oct 1, 2011 at 8:21 PM, jwcolby wrote: > You mean there aren't 22 different versions of office? > > ;) > > John W. Colby > Colby Consulting > > On 10/1/2011 5:19 PM, Stuart McLachlan wrote: > >> Doh, >> >> Typo - 2 Drives :-) >> >> -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/accessd > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.**com > > > From vbacreations at gmail.com Sun Oct 2 02:02:09 2011 From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson) Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2011 03:02:09 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Object or class does not support the set of events In-Reply-To: <4E871AC3.60604@colbyconsulting.com> References: <4E871AC3.60604@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: Can you shut off uac? On Oct 1, 2011 9:52 AM, "jwcolby" wrote: > Holy cow man things just get worse and worse. > > In lookingup the error message in the subject I found something about having Access "run as > administrator". Somehow I found and set that and now *everything* is broken. As I open Access it > does the UAC thing (screen dims and asks if i want to allow the application to make changes), then > Access tries to open and gives me a "There was a problem sending the command to the program.", then > Access does in fact open. > > What have I done and how do I undo it? I cannot seem to find my back to where I set that property. > Will a restore point get rid of this crap? > > I have billing to get done and I am broken. I have spent two hours on just this stuff and I am now > further from a solution than when I started. > > @#$&*&*^&)(*_)(*)&*%&^#%$#!%*()&_)*_)*(!!!!! > > -- > John W. Colby > Colby Consulting > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From hans.andersen at phulse.com Sun Oct 2 05:26:06 2011 From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen) Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2011 03:26:06 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Object or class does not support the set of events In-Reply-To: References: <4E871AC3.60604@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <10CCBA04-1EA4-44F4-826B-4F0B392724CA@phulse.com> John, >> In looking up the error message in the subject I found something about having Access "run as administrator". Somehow I found and set that and now *everything* is broken. Assuming you are running Windows Vista or 7, most likely you set this under the properties of the Access application shortcut. Open your program shortcut. Here is an article describing the process: http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/magazine/ff431742.aspx Regarding KVMs, I love the idea, but in this modern day and age, I find it hard to justify purchasing a KVM that doesn't work over IP, which are really expensive (relative to their functionatlity) and they tend to try to charge ridiculous prices just for the connectors alone. Fortunately, I deal with Dell servers on a daily basis and they have a lovely (and surprisingly under-stated) remote management feature called DRAC, which lets you hook directly into the console via a java applet (loaded through a browser based administration page) over the network. I know other server vendors have such technology as well (ie. hp lights out), but the only HP proliant server we have lacks this feature (among others). Coupled with a solid VPN and you can administer your servers fairly reliably from anywhere in the world, not just from home. This assumes, however, that you have nice expensive servers :) > Can you shut off uac? You can, as in the link below, but I highly recommend that you consider the implications. First, there is of course a matter of security. But, also, in my experience, when Windows 7 works within administrator mode, it seems to load a different profile/settings. This might only be the case for some applications however, I don't know for certain. I had one experience where I installed an application that required admin rights to function, but I did not know it at the time. So, upon installing it and putting in the registration code, it then told me I had to run it as admin. When doing so, it completely forgot all my settings and even that I was registered to begin with. Unfortunately, the way the software was designed, it would only let you enter the reg key once, so when I entered it again, it said it was already taken, so I had to convince the company that I wasn't a freeloader in order to get them to release my key again. A very painful process, but it taught me one thing, which was that running apps as admin doesn't necessarily mean you are just running it as your user with escalated privileges. Also, turning off UAC doesn't mean that it changes the way UAC works. It just means that you don't get bothered by a pop up dialogue asking for confirmation anymore. http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/windows-vista/disable-user-account-control-uac-the-easy-way-on-windows-vista/ Good luck, - Hans On 2011-10-02, at 12:02 AM, William Benson wrote: > Can you shut off uac? > On Oct 1, 2011 9:52 AM, "jwcolby" wrote: >> Holy cow man things just get worse and worse. >> >> In lookingup the error message in the subject I found something about > having Access "run as >> administrator". Somehow I found and set that and now *everything* is > broken. As I open Access it >> does the UAC thing (screen dims and asks if i want to allow the > application to make changes), then >> Access tries to open and gives me a "There was a problem sending the > command to the program.", then >> Access does in fact open. >> >> What have I done and how do I undo it? I cannot seem to find my back to > where I set that property. >> Will a restore point get rid of this crap? >> >> I have billing to get done and I am broken. I have spent two hours on just > this stuff and I am now >> further from a solution than when I started. >> >> @#$&*&*^&)(*_)(*)&*%&^#%$#!%*()&_)*_)*(!!!!! >> >> -- >> John W. Colby >> Colby Consulting >> -- >> AccessD mailing list >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From tinanfields at torchlake.com Sun Oct 2 10:16:51 2011 From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields) Date: Sun, 02 Oct 2011 11:16:51 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Billing "Fully working" in 2010 In-Reply-To: References: <4E8737EE.6000805@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <4E888063.8030609@torchlake.com> Arthur, I get that. Figuring out ways to do what you have already done, but to do it better, probably comes with the intellectual territory you have. It's a fine thing to do. Keep on doing it. T Tina Norris Fields tinanfields at torchlake.com 231-322-2787 On 10/1/2011 2:25 PM, Arthur Fuller wrote: > I confess that I use a version of the TIme-Billing app that was a sample app > in Office 2007. I reshaped it to suit my needs and then have used it ever > since. It works excellenty for my meagre requirements -- single or > occasionally assistant developer, and dealing with several projects. and > allowing me to assign an hour to this task and and two hours to that task, > and print an invoice and send same to the client in question as a PDF file. > That's enough for me, and also for Revenue Canada, our equivalent of the > IRS. > > I needed to add a couple of columns to the sample app, and to modify the > queries and reports to reflect these new columns, but basically I changed > almost nothing in the sample app, and it works wonderfully for my modest > needs. I have not bothered to migrate it to SQL Server, since I am the only > user of this db, but I have migrated dozens of client dbs and it's a breeze > to go there. I back up the BE daily and why go further if the existing > solution works? > > Way back when, I believed the opposite: "If it works, break it, and think of > something better." Well, I don't have enough time remaining in my life to > continue upon this path. Younger souls may have the time and energy, but I'm > out of both. If it works, leave it alone! That's my current motto. > > You know what, I just lied. I cannot leave a well-bed baby alone. I have to > go back and tend to her. In terms of code, this means Refactoring, and even > if the client is not willing to pay, I can't help revisiting apps delivered > and accepted. I revisit them compulsively, and I look at the 20+lines of > code and think, couldn't this be 10 lines? And so on. I can't help it, even > though the last invoice to the given client might have been a year ago. I > return to the code and inspect it and think, "What an idiot > > On Sat, Oct 1, 2011 at 11:55 AM, jwcolbywrote: > >> I had to relink my views (SQL Server). It seems that I had not stored the >> password in the link or something. The tables were r/w but the views were >> ro. >> >> So it appears that 4 hours later I am able to use my billing app in 2010. >> It still gives the same error message in 2003. >> >> Unfortunately I use Outlook to send/receive email and it remains to be >> configured. or move to Blat or the likes. >> >> -- >> John W. Colby >> Colby Consulting >> -- >> AccessD mailing list >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/accessd >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.**com >> From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Sun Oct 2 10:22:54 2011 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Sun, 02 Oct 2011 11:22:54 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Object or class does not support the set of events In-Reply-To: References: <4E871AC3.60604@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <4E8881CE.2040909@colbyconsulting.com> I can but I would rather not. John W. Colby Colby Consulting On 10/2/2011 3:02 AM, William Benson wrote: > Can you shut off uac? > On Oct 1, 2011 9:52 AM, "jwcolby" wrote: >> Holy cow man things just get worse and worse. >> >> In lookingup the error message in the subject I found something about > having Access "run as >> administrator". Somehow I found and set that and now *everything* is > broken. As I open Access it >> does the UAC thing (screen dims and asks if i want to allow the > application to make changes), then >> Access tries to open and gives me a "There was a problem sending the > command to the program.", then >> Access does in fact open. >> >> What have I done and how do I undo it? I cannot seem to find my back to > where I set that property. >> Will a restore point get rid of this crap? >> >> I have billing to get done and I am broken. I have spent two hours on just > this stuff and I am now >> further from a solution than when I started. >> >> @#$&*&*^&)(*_)(*)&*%&^#%$#!%*()&_)*_)*(!!!!! >> >> -- >> John W. Colby >> Colby Consulting >> -- >> AccessD mailing list >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From tinanfields at torchlake.com Sun Oct 2 10:55:30 2011 From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields) Date: Sun, 02 Oct 2011 11:55:30 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Geek to Live: Secure your saved passwords in Firefox In-Reply-To: <4E863B87.4080302@colbyconsulting.com> References: <4E863B87.4080302@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <4E888972.2070800@torchlake.com> Aha! Next question is: How easy would it be for a hacker to get the Firefox saved passwords? T Tina Norris Fields tinanfields at torchlake.com 231-322-2787 On 9/30/2011 5:58 PM, jwcolby wrote: > http://lifehacker.com/154099/geek-to-live--secure-your-saved-passwords-in-firefox > > > jwcolby From tinanfields at torchlake.com Sun Oct 2 11:00:02 2011 From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields) Date: Sun, 02 Oct 2011 12:00:02 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Calculating mileage In-Reply-To: <4E81B916.70601@colbyconsulting.com> References: <4E81B916.70601@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <4E888A82.80905@torchlake.com> Well, I am obviously very old-fashioned. I keep a log in the car and record all my trips - everything. So, the record is already there. Only as I'm preparing the tax return do I enter the data into a spreadsheet so I can accurately calculate my personal and business miles. T Tina Norris Fields tinanfields at torchlake.com 231-322-2787 On 9/27/2011 7:52 AM, jwcolby wrote: > Before tax time I need to add a module to my inmate checkout to > calculate mileage for all legs of a trip with the inmates. The > database contains records of where we go - the midpoints points - with > addresses, but the database does not have my start / end point (home). > > 1) Home to prison > 2) Prison to first destination in the db > 3) First destination to second destination (if any) > 4) Second destination to third destination (if any) > 5) Last destination to prison > 6) Prison to home > > I thought I would try to use Microsoft Streets and trips to do the > mapping, though I am open to using Google Maps if there is a > programming interface available to the VBA language. > > I could of course manually enter the trips into Streets and trips, get > the mileage and build a table of all the "legs" that I have ever done > but that is error prone and forces me to do the whole thing manually. > Also this is in use by other people so it would be nice to build a > module that would also calculate their legs, which I certainly do not > want to do myself manually. > > If for tax purposes I just assume that we always start from home and > end at home I could use something like Streets and trips (which I > have) to calculate all of these legs for each trip and place them in a > table. At tax time I then have a mileage log for the IRS. > > I have never used Streets and Trips for this purpose. I do know that > it has an API and VBA available for it. If anyone uses it for this > purpose and has a library (or a function) written to do this that they > would share that would be great. Or a web or help resource for this. > > Thanks, > From tinanfields at torchlake.com Sun Oct 2 11:09:01 2011 From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields) Date: Sun, 02 Oct 2011 12:09:01 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Calculating mileage In-Reply-To: <4E830013.2020403@colbyconsulting.com> References: <4E81B916.70601@colbyconsulting.com> <000701cc7d6b$a78c1550$f6a43ff0$@com.au> <4E8287F3.2000201@colbyconsulting.com><002201cc7d8f$25cae130$7160a390$@com.au> <4E830013.2020403@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <4E888C9D.2080005@torchlake.com> Dear John, I love it! Do the records in your database have any connection at all to the odometer readings? (Probably not.) So, you need a way to calculate travel distances between physical addresses. I t would seem that a mapping program of some sort would provide the solution - just as Google Maps and MapQuest tell you how far it is from home to the VA hospital in Ann Arbor, for instance. It's not yet clear to me how to get your addresses out of the database and into the mapping program, but, there's got to be a way. Thanks for a great puzzle - don't know how much help I'm going to be in its solution, but I'm going to give it a solid effort. T Tina Norris Fields tinanfields at torchlake.com 231-322-2787 On 9/28/2011 7:08 AM, jwcolby wrote: > But... I have database records already in a database. This is not > about defining a solution for data that does not exist and I would > otherwise have to enter. This is about defining a solution for data > that I (and any other user) must enter into the database to use the > inmate pass program. > > *It is already in the database* > > This is about building a small program to do these calculations about > data that has and *is going to* accumulate in the course of doing > business. > > It appears that I am not able to get across to this list the fact that > the records already exist in a database. > > Forget that I am driving. *Just please forget that fact.* I never > said anything about actually driving these miles, being in a car or > anything else related to automobiles. > > Now... > > I have records in a database which have addresses in them. I need to > calculate driving distances between those addresses. > > Pleeeeeeaaaaaaase, I do not want nor do I need anything related to > logging miles driven in a car. > > I need a function which takes two addresses and hands back miles > between those points, actual miles that would be driven. > > BUT I AM NOT DRIVING THOSE MILES. The records are somehow just > magically (poof) appearing in a table! > > John W. Colby > www.ColbyConsulting.com > > On 9/27/2011 11:31 PM, Darryl Collins wrote: >> Can't add much value to your historical data issue John, but for your >> future >> records, well I guess it depends on how much effort and money you >> want to >> put into this. >> >> There are 'turnkey' solutions already out there for exactly this sort of >> reporting. These folks will report on miles / kilometres travelled >> and way >> much more for about $40 a month. >> >> <> >> >> It actually looks like a bit of over engineering for what you are >> after, but >> the concept is exactly what I am talking about. Let the GPS record the >> mileage for you and just download it to you PC. You might find the >> service >> above is worth the $40 per month for your needs. Dunno. Anyway, >> that seems >> a lot easier than stuffing around with tracking online maps etc >> >> Although the cheapest and best solution I would have thought was the one >> already suggested. Use a smart phone app, or better still, an old >> fashion >> paper log book. >> >> Cheers >> Darryl >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby >> Sent: Wednesday, 28 September 2011 12:36 PM >> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving >> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Calculating mileage >> >> > I would have thought a standard GPS unit would do this for you pretty >> much automatically >> >> Do what for me? A gps gets you from one place to another. I need >> code to >> calculate mileage between >> two points. >> >> I have a database of trips I have taken, hundreds of existing >> records. I >> need to calculate the >> mileage of those trips so that I can apply for a tax refund. >> >> Maybe I am missing something here. How is a a gps or a smart phone or a >> paper log going to help me >> get mileage calculations for existing and future data records in a >> database? >> >> John W. Colby >> www.ColbyConsulting.com >> >> On 9/27/2011 7:17 PM, Darryl Collins wrote: >>> I would have thought a standard GPS unit would do this for you >>> pretty much >>> automatically, although I have bugger all experience in this area. >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby >>> Sent: Tuesday, 27 September 2011 9:53 PM >>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving >>> Subject: [AccessD] Calculating mileage >>> >>> Before tax time I need to add a module to my inmate checkout to >>> calculate >>> mileage for all legs of a >>> trip with the inmates. The database contains records of where we go >>> - the >>> midpoints points - with >>> addresses, but the database does not have my start / end point (home). >>> >>> 1) Home to prison >>> 2) Prison to first destination in the db >>> 3) First destination to second destination (if any) >>> 4) Second destination to third destination (if any) >>> 5) Last destination to prison >>> 6) Prison to home >>> >>> I thought I would try to use Microsoft Streets and trips to do the >> mapping, >>> though I am open to >>> using Google Maps if there is a programming interface available to >>> the VBA >>> language. >>> >>> I could of course manually enter the trips into Streets and trips, >>> get the >>> mileage and build a table >>> of all the "legs" that I have ever done but that is error prone and >>> forces >>> me to do the whole thing >>> manually. Also this is in use by other people so it would be nice to >> build >>> a module that would also >>> calculate their legs, which I certainly do not want to do myself >>> manually. >>> >>> If for tax purposes I just assume that we always start from home and >>> end >> at >>> home I could use >>> something like Streets and trips (which I have) to calculate all of >>> these >>> legs for each trip and >>> place them in a table. At tax time I then have a mileage log for >>> the IRS. >>> >>> I have never used Streets and Trips for this purpose. I do know >>> that it >> has >>> an API and VBA >>> available for it. If anyone uses it for this purpose and has a library >> (or >>> a function) written to >>> do this that they would share that would be great. Or a web or help >>> resource for this. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Sun Oct 2 12:59:36 2011 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Sun, 02 Oct 2011 13:59:36 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Calculating mileage In-Reply-To: <4E888A82.80905@torchlake.com> References: <4E81B916.70601@colbyconsulting.com> <4E888A82.80905@torchlake.com> Message-ID: <4E88A688.1040302@colbyconsulting.com> And in your case, a widget that automatically entered a record in your cell phone as you leave your driveway would be super cool. John W. Colby Colby Consulting On 10/2/2011 12:00 PM, Tina Norris Fields wrote: > Well, I am obviously very old-fashioned. I keep a log in the car and record all my trips - > everything. So, the record is already there. Only as I'm preparing the tax return do I enter the > data into a spreadsheet so I can accurately calculate my personal and business miles. > T > > Tina Norris Fields > tinanfields at torchlake.com > 231-322-2787 > > > On 9/27/2011 7:52 AM, jwcolby wrote: >> Before tax time I need to add a module to my inmate checkout to calculate mileage for all legs of >> a trip with the inmates. The database contains records of where we go - the midpoints points - >> with addresses, but the database does not have my start / end point (home). >> >> 1) Home to prison >> 2) Prison to first destination in the db >> 3) First destination to second destination (if any) >> 4) Second destination to third destination (if any) >> 5) Last destination to prison >> 6) Prison to home >> >> I thought I would try to use Microsoft Streets and trips to do the mapping, though I am open to >> using Google Maps if there is a programming interface available to the VBA language. >> >> I could of course manually enter the trips into Streets and trips, get the mileage and build a >> table of all the "legs" that I have ever done but that is error prone and forces me to do the >> whole thing manually. Also this is in use by other people so it would be nice to build a module >> that would also calculate their legs, which I certainly do not want to do myself manually. >> >> If for tax purposes I just assume that we always start from home and end at home I could use >> something like Streets and trips (which I have) to calculate all of these legs for each trip and >> place them in a table. At tax time I then have a mileage log for the IRS. >> >> I have never used Streets and Trips for this purpose. I do know that it has an API and VBA >> available for it. If anyone uses it for this purpose and has a library (or a function) written to >> do this that they would share that would be great. Or a web or help resource for this. >> >> Thanks, >> From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Sun Oct 2 13:03:29 2011 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Sun, 02 Oct 2011 14:03:29 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Calculating mileage In-Reply-To: <4E888C9D.2080005@torchlake.com> References: <4E81B916.70601@colbyconsulting.com> <000701cc7d6b$a78c1550$f6a43ff0$@com.au> <4E8287F3.2000201@colbyconsulting.com><002201cc7d8f$25cae130$7160a390$@com.au> <4E830013.2020403@colbyconsulting.com> <4E888C9D.2080005@torchlake.com> Message-ID: <4E88A771.3010509@colbyconsulting.com> >Do the records in your database have any connection at all to the odometer readings? They would if I were to notice. The thing to remember is that the database is used by potentially many different people. I know where they live because they enter their address into the database. I know the prison address where they pick up the inmates. Everything after that is just "calc distance from A to B". > It's not yet clear to me how to get your addresses out of the database and into the mapping program, but, there's got to be a way. Microsoft's map program has VBA behind it and an API. I will be using that. John W. Colby Colby Consulting On 10/2/2011 12:09 PM, Tina Norris Fields wrote: > Dear John, > > I love it! Do the records in your database have any connection at all to the odometer readings? > (Probably not.) So, you need a way to calculate travel distances between physical addresses. I t > would seem that a mapping program of some sort would provide the solution - just as Google Maps and > MapQuest tell you how far it is from home to the VA hospital in Ann Arbor, for instance. > > It's not yet clear to me how to get your addresses out of the database and into the mapping program, > but, there's got to be a way. Thanks for a great puzzle - don't know how much help I'm going to be > in its solution, but I'm going to give it a solid effort. > > T > > Tina Norris Fields > tinanfields at torchlake.com > 231-322-2787 > > > On 9/28/2011 7:08 AM, jwcolby wrote: >> But... I have database records already in a database. This is not about defining a solution for >> data that does not exist and I would otherwise have to enter. This is about defining a solution >> for data that I (and any other user) must enter into the database to use the inmate pass program. >> >> *It is already in the database* >> >> This is about building a small program to do these calculations about data that has and *is going >> to* accumulate in the course of doing business. >> >> It appears that I am not able to get across to this list the fact that the records already exist >> in a database. >> >> Forget that I am driving. *Just please forget that fact.* I never said anything about actually >> driving these miles, being in a car or anything else related to automobiles. >> >> Now... >> >> I have records in a database which have addresses in them. I need to calculate driving distances >> between those addresses. >> >> Pleeeeeeaaaaaaase, I do not want nor do I need anything related to logging miles driven in a car. >> >> I need a function which takes two addresses and hands back miles between those points, actual >> miles that would be driven. >> >> BUT I AM NOT DRIVING THOSE MILES. The records are somehow just magically (poof) appearing in a table! >> >> John W. Colby >> www.ColbyConsulting.com >> >> On 9/27/2011 11:31 PM, Darryl Collins wrote: >>> Can't add much value to your historical data issue John, but for your future >>> records, well I guess it depends on how much effort and money you want to >>> put into this. >>> >>> There are 'turnkey' solutions already out there for exactly this sort of >>> reporting. These folks will report on miles / kilometres travelled and way >>> much more for about $40 a month. >>> >>> <> >>> >>> It actually looks like a bit of over engineering for what you are after, but >>> the concept is exactly what I am talking about. Let the GPS record the >>> mileage for you and just download it to you PC. You might find the service >>> above is worth the $40 per month for your needs. Dunno. Anyway, that seems >>> a lot easier than stuffing around with tracking online maps etc >>> >>> Although the cheapest and best solution I would have thought was the one >>> already suggested. Use a smart phone app, or better still, an old fashion >>> paper log book. >>> >>> Cheers >>> Darryl >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby >>> Sent: Wednesday, 28 September 2011 12:36 PM >>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving >>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Calculating mileage >>> >>> > I would have thought a standard GPS unit would do this for you pretty >>> much automatically >>> >>> Do what for me? A gps gets you from one place to another. I need code to >>> calculate mileage between >>> two points. >>> >>> I have a database of trips I have taken, hundreds of existing records. I >>> need to calculate the >>> mileage of those trips so that I can apply for a tax refund. >>> >>> Maybe I am missing something here. How is a a gps or a smart phone or a >>> paper log going to help me >>> get mileage calculations for existing and future data records in a database? >>> >>> John W. Colby >>> www.ColbyConsulting.com >>> >>> On 9/27/2011 7:17 PM, Darryl Collins wrote: >>>> I would have thought a standard GPS unit would do this for you pretty much >>>> automatically, although I have bugger all experience in this area. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >>>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby >>>> Sent: Tuesday, 27 September 2011 9:53 PM >>>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving >>>> Subject: [AccessD] Calculating mileage >>>> >>>> Before tax time I need to add a module to my inmate checkout to calculate >>>> mileage for all legs of a >>>> trip with the inmates. The database contains records of where we go - the >>>> midpoints points - with >>>> addresses, but the database does not have my start / end point (home). >>>> >>>> 1) Home to prison >>>> 2) Prison to first destination in the db >>>> 3) First destination to second destination (if any) >>>> 4) Second destination to third destination (if any) >>>> 5) Last destination to prison >>>> 6) Prison to home >>>> >>>> I thought I would try to use Microsoft Streets and trips to do the >>> mapping, >>>> though I am open to >>>> using Google Maps if there is a programming interface available to the VBA >>>> language. >>>> >>>> I could of course manually enter the trips into Streets and trips, get the >>>> mileage and build a table >>>> of all the "legs" that I have ever done but that is error prone and forces >>>> me to do the whole thing >>>> manually. Also this is in use by other people so it would be nice to >>> build >>>> a module that would also >>>> calculate their legs, which I certainly do not want to do myself manually. >>>> >>>> If for tax purposes I just assume that we always start from home and end >>> at >>>> home I could use >>>> something like Streets and trips (which I have) to calculate all of these >>>> legs for each trip and >>>> place them in a table. At tax time I then have a mileage log for the IRS. >>>> >>>> I have never used Streets and Trips for this purpose. I do know that it >>> has >>>> an API and VBA >>>> available for it. If anyone uses it for this purpose and has a library >>> (or >>>> a function) written to >>>> do this that they would share that would be great. Or a web or help >>>> resource for this. >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Sun Oct 2 13:06:47 2011 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Sun, 02 Oct 2011 14:06:47 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Geek to Live: Secure your saved passwords in Firefox In-Reply-To: <4E888972.2070800@torchlake.com> References: <4E863B87.4080302@colbyconsulting.com> <4E888972.2070800@torchlake.com> Message-ID: <4E88A837.5010105@colbyconsulting.com> Apparently Firefox encrypts them using a common encryption algorithm and a master password you supply. Then the first time that you go to a web page where you need to log in (and have a saved password), Firefox asks you for your master password. Using that it decrypts the passwords and supplies the username / password for that web page. I am using that now for firefox. Of course I also just switched to Chrome... John W. Colby Colby Consulting On 10/2/2011 11:55 AM, Tina Norris Fields wrote: > Aha! Next question is: How easy would it be for a hacker to get the Firefox saved passwords? > T > > Tina Norris Fields > tinanfields at torchlake.com > 231-322-2787 > > > On 9/30/2011 5:58 PM, jwcolby wrote: >> http://lifehacker.com/154099/geek-to-live--secure-your-saved-passwords-in-firefox >> >> jwcolby From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Sun Oct 2 16:04:03 2011 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Mon, 03 Oct 2011 07:04:03 +1000 Subject: [AccessD] Geek to Live: Secure your saved passwords in Firefox In-Reply-To: <4E88A837.5010105@colbyconsulting.com> References: <4E863B87.4080302@colbyconsulting.com>, <4E888972.2070800@torchlake.com>, <4E88A837.5010105@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <4E88D1C3.113.947AD5F@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> But I'd bet that the majority of people who have passwords saved in FF have never set a master passwod. -- Stuart On 2 Oct 2011 at 14:06, jwcolby wrote: > Apparently Firefox encrypts them using a common encryption algorithm > and a master password you supply. Then the first time that you go to > a web page where you need to log in (and have a saved password), > Firefox asks you for your master password. Using that it decrypts the > passwords and supplies the username / password for that web page. > > I am using that now for firefox. Of course I also just switched to > Chrome... > > John W. Colby > Colby Consulting > > On 10/2/2011 11:55 AM, Tina Norris Fields wrote: > > Aha! Next question is: How easy would it be for a hacker to get the > > Firefox saved passwords? T > > > > Tina Norris Fields > > tinanfields at torchlake.com > > 231-322-2787 > > > > > > On 9/30/2011 5:58 PM, jwcolby wrote: > >> http://lifehacker.com/154099/geek-to-live--secure-your-saved-passwo > >> rds-in-firefox > >> > >> jwcolby > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From steve at goodhall.info Sun Oct 2 16:12:39 2011 From: steve at goodhall.info (Steve Goodhall) Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2011 17:12:39 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Geek to Live: Secure your saved passwords in Firefox In-Reply-To: <4E88D1C3.113.947AD5F@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: <4E863B87.4080302@colbyconsulting.com>, <4E888972.2070800@torchlake.com>, <4E88A837.5010105@colbyconsulting.com> <4E88D1C3.113.947AD5F@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <02287c2b-d3ef-4bce-8f86-b0f15c45c5e2@blur> My cable company / ISP provides Norton security for free. It has a similar feature that I use. It doesn't give you a choice about the master password. Steve Goodhall, MSCS, PMP Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone -----Original message----- From: Stuart McLachlan To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Sent: Sun, Oct 2, 2011 21:05:27 GMT+00:00 Subject: Re: [AccessD] Geek to Live: Secure your saved passwords in Firefox But I'd bet that the majority of people who have passwords saved in FF have never set a master passwod. -- Stuart On 2 Oct 2011 at 14:06, jwcolby wrote: > Apparently Firefox encrypts them using a common encryption algorithm > and a master password you supply. Then the first time that you go to > a web page where you need to log in (and have a saved password), > Firefox asks you for your master password. Using that it decrypts the > passwords and supplies the username / password for that web page. > > I am using that now for firefox. Of course I also just switched to > Chrome... > > John W. Colby > Colby Consulting > > On 10/2/2011 11:55 AM, Tina Norris Fields wrote: > > Aha! Next question is: How easy would it be for a hacker to get the > > Firefox saved passwords? T > > > > Tina Norris Fields > > tinanfields at torchlake.com > > 231-322-2787 > > > > > > On 9/30/2011 5:58 PM, jwcolby wrote: > >> http://lifehacker.com/154099/geek-to-live--secure-your-saved-passwo > >> rds-in-firefox > >> > >> jwcolby > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Sun Oct 2 17:46:51 2011 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Sun, 02 Oct 2011 18:46:51 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Geek to Live: Secure your saved passwords in Firefox In-Reply-To: <4E88D1C3.113.947AD5F@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: <4E863B87.4080302@colbyconsulting.com>, <4E888972.2070800@torchlake.com>, <4E88A837.5010105@colbyconsulting.com> <4E88D1C3.113.947AD5F@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <4E88E9DB.1080000@colbyconsulting.com> I never had, which is why I posted here when I discovered it. John W. Colby Colby Consulting On 10/2/2011 5:04 PM, Stuart McLachlan wrote: > But I'd bet that the majority of people who have passwords saved in FF have never set a > master passwod. > From marksimms at verizon.net Sun Oct 2 23:22:34 2011 From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms) Date: Mon, 03 Oct 2011 00:22:34 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] 2001 Error - You cancelled the previous operation Message-ID: <000a01cc8184$13da1fb0$3b8e5f10$@net> After hours and hours of testing this, I came to the conclusion that unless I trap the vbKeyEscape in the KeyDown event handler, I am unable to add a new record to a form after an undo has occurred. I get this dreaded 2001 error which appears to be a misleading one. It appears that an UnDo condition throws the form into a tizzy-state. Any method of attempting to add a new record after an undo has occurred either with a RunCommand GotoRecord acNewrec directive or trying to do an AddNew and Bookmark ... all fail. When I kill the escape key, all is well..but of course, my users are mad.they cannot undo the record. Unless I'm missing something , this is definitely a bug, no ? From vbacreations at gmail.com Sun Oct 2 23:31:20 2011 From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson (VBACreations.Com)) Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2011 00:31:20 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] 2001 Error - You cancelled the previous operation In-Reply-To: <000a01cc8184$13da1fb0$3b8e5f10$@net> References: <000a01cc8184$13da1fb0$3b8e5f10$@net> Message-ID: <001201cc8185$4d32a560$e797f020$@gmail.com> I never let Access Add New, I always use unbound controls, and validate field by field, and then use SQL and refresh the form... and I don't have these problems ;-) -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Simms Sent: Monday, October 03, 2011 12:23 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: [AccessD] 2001 Error - You cancelled the previous operation After hours and hours of testing this, I came to the conclusion that unless I trap the vbKeyEscape in the KeyDown event handler, I am unable to add a new record to a form after an undo has occurred. I get this dreaded 2001 error which appears to be a misleading one. It appears that an UnDo condition throws the form into a tizzy-state. Any method of attempting to add a new record after an undo has occurred either with a RunCommand GotoRecord acNewrec directive or trying to do an AddNew and Bookmark ... all fail. When I kill the escape key, all is well..but of course, my users are mad.they cannot undo the record. Unless I'm missing something , this is definitely a bug, no ? -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Sun Oct 2 23:50:39 2011 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Mon, 03 Oct 2011 14:50:39 +1000 Subject: [AccessD] 2001 Error - You cancelled the previous operation In-Reply-To: <001201cc8185$4d32a560$e797f020$@gmail.com> References: <000a01cc8184$13da1fb0$3b8e5f10$@net>, <001201cc8185$4d32a560$e797f020$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4E893F1F.8706.AF2DF11@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> R,DFC -- Stuart On 3 Oct 2011 at 0:31, William Benson (VBACreations. wrote: > I never let Access Add New, I always use unbound controls, and > validate field by field, and then use SQL and refresh the form... and > I don't have these problems ;-) > From vbacreations at gmail.com Mon Oct 3 00:02:06 2011 From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson) Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2011 01:02:06 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] 2001 Error - You cancelled the previous operation In-Reply-To: <4E893F1F.8706.AF2DF11@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: <000a01cc8184$13da1fb0$3b8e5f10$@net> <001201cc8185$4d32a560$e797f020$@gmail.com> <4E893F1F.8706.AF2DF11@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: Registered Democrat for Clinton? What's that stand for? On Oct 3, 2011 12:52 AM, "Stuart McLachlan" wrote: > R,DFC > > -- > Stuart > > On 3 Oct 2011 at 0:31, William Benson (VBACreations. wrote: > >> I never let Access Add New, I always use unbound controls, and >> validate field by field, and then use SQL and refresh the form... and >> I don't have these problems ;-) >> > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au Mon Oct 3 00:13:18 2011 From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins) Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2011 16:13:18 +1100 Subject: [AccessD] 2001 Error - You cancelled the previous operation In-Reply-To: References: <000a01cc8184$13da1fb0$3b8e5f10$@net> <001201cc8185$4d32a560$e797f020$@gmail.com> <4E893F1F.8706.AF2DF11@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <003d01cc818b$2a166610$7e433230$@com.au> Heh, Getting late in the Day in PNG and probably hot too. I reckon Stuart has been drinking that special juice they whip up in that jungle! ;) Glad you asked, I was thinking the same thing! -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Benson Sent: Monday, 3 October 2011 4:02 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] 2001 Error - You cancelled the previous operation Registered Democrat for Clinton? What's that stand for? On Oct 3, 2011 12:52 AM, "Stuart McLachlan" wrote: > R,DFC > > -- > Stuart > > On 3 Oct 2011 at 0:31, William Benson (VBACreations. wrote: > >> I never let Access Add New, I always use unbound controls, and >> validate field by field, and then use SQL and refresh the form... and >> I don't have these problems ;-) >> > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From vbacreations at gmail.com Mon Oct 3 00:22:29 2011 From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson) Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2011 01:22:29 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] 2001 Error - You cancelled the previous operation In-Reply-To: <003d01cc818b$2a166610$7e433230$@com.au> References: <000a01cc8184$13da1fb0$3b8e5f10$@net> <001201cc8185$4d32a560$e797f020$@gmail.com> <4E893F1F.8706.AF2DF11@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <003d01cc818b$2a166610$7e433230$@com.au> Message-ID: The definition I got from urban dictionary is quite offensive so I hope it's not that. On Oct 3, 2011 1:14 AM, "Darryl Collins" wrote: > > Heh, Getting late in the Day in PNG and probably hot too. I reckon Stuart > has been drinking that special juice they whip up in that jungle! ;) > Glad you asked, I was thinking the same thing! > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Benson > Sent: Monday, 3 October 2011 4:02 PM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] 2001 Error - You cancelled the previous operation > > Registered Democrat for Clinton? What's that stand for? > On Oct 3, 2011 12:52 AM, "Stuart McLachlan" wrote: >> R,DFC >> >> -- >> Stuart >> >> On 3 Oct 2011 at 0:31, William Benson (VBACreations. wrote: >> >>> I never let Access Add New, I always use unbound controls, and >>> validate field by field, and then use SQL and refresh the form... and >>> I don't have these problems ;-) >>> >> >> >> -- >> AccessD mailing list >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Mon Oct 3 00:32:00 2011 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Mon, 03 Oct 2011 15:32:00 +1000 Subject: [AccessD] 2001 Error - You cancelled the previous operation In-Reply-To: References: <000a01cc8184$13da1fb0$3b8e5f10$@net>, <4E893F1F.8706.AF2DF11@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>, Message-ID: <4E8948D0.11458.B18B9C7@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Runs, ducking for cover. I'm not going to just sit around waiting for the "bounders" to stick their heads over the parapet :-) -- Stuart On 3 Oct 2011 at 1:02, William Benson wrote: > Registered Democrat for Clinton? What's that stand for? > On Oct 3, 2011 12:52 AM, "Stuart McLachlan" > wrote: > R,DFC > > -- > Stuart > > On 3 Oct 2011 at 0:31, William > Benson (VBACreations. wrote: > >> I never let Access Add New, I always > use unbound controls, and >> validate field by field, and then use SQL > and refresh the form... and >> I don't have these problems ;-) >> > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: > http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From vbacreations at gmail.com Mon Oct 3 00:51:59 2011 From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson) Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2011 01:51:59 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] 2001 Error - You cancelled the previous operation In-Reply-To: <4E8948D0.11458.B18B9C7@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: <000a01cc8184$13da1fb0$3b8e5f10$@net> <4E893F1F.8706.AF2DF11@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <4E8948D0.11458.B18B9C7@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: You think my post at this hour on a Sunday night wasn't strategic? It was only in jest, I mostly don't code for transaction based user activity I code for special functional requirements. On Oct 3, 2011 1:33 AM, "Stuart McLachlan" wrote: > Runs, ducking for cover. > > I'm not going to just sit around waiting for the "bounders" to stick their heads over the parapet > :-) > > -- > Stuart > > On 3 Oct 2011 at 1:02, William Benson wrote: > >> Registered Democrat for Clinton? What's that stand for? > > >> On Oct 3, 2011 12:52 AM, "Stuart McLachlan" >> wrote: > R,DFC > > -- > Stuart > > On 3 Oct 2011 at 0:31, William >> Benson (VBACreations. wrote: > >> I never let Access Add New, I always >> use unbound controls, and >> validate field by field, and then use SQL >> and refresh the form... and >> I don't have these problems ;-) >> > > >> > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: >> http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: >> http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au Mon Oct 3 00:52:45 2011 From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins) Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2011 16:52:45 +1100 Subject: [AccessD] 2001 Error - You cancelled the previous operation In-Reply-To: <4E8948D0.11458.B18B9C7@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: <000a01cc8184$13da1fb0$3b8e5f10$@net>, <4E893F1F.8706.AF2DF11@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>, <4E8948D0.11458.B18B9C7@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <003e01cc8190$acfa2490$06ee6db0$@com.au> HAHAHA, Yeah, great plan. Let's get stuck into them whilst they are all asleep!! Unbound rocks! Unbound is the best and we all know it ;) Aaah, tomorrow's inbox might be, ummm, interesting... Cheers Darryl. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan Sent: Monday, 3 October 2011 4:32 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] 2001 Error - You cancelled the previous operation Runs, ducking for cover. I'm not going to just sit around waiting for the "bounders" to stick their heads over the parapet :-) -- Stuart On 3 Oct 2011 at 1:02, William Benson wrote: > Registered Democrat for Clinton? What's that stand for? > On Oct 3, 2011 12:52 AM, "Stuart McLachlan" > wrote: > R,DFC > > -- > Stuart > > On 3 Oct 2011 at 0:31, William > Benson (VBACreations. wrote: > >> I never let Access Add New, I always > use unbound controls, and >> validate field by field, and then use SQL > and refresh the form... and >> I don't have these problems ;-) >> > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: > http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Mon Oct 3 00:59:09 2011 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Mon, 03 Oct 2011 15:59:09 +1000 Subject: [AccessD] 2001 Error - You cancelled the previous operation In-Reply-To: References: <000a01cc8184$13da1fb0$3b8e5f10$@net>, <4E8948D0.11458.B18B9C7@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>, Message-ID: <4E894F2D.30374.B31967F@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> It's late Monday afternoon for me and Darryl! -- Stuart On 3 Oct 2011 at 1:51, William Benson wrote: > You think my post at this hour on a Sunday night wasn't strategic? From adtp at airtelmail.in Mon Oct 3 06:40:02 2011 From: adtp at airtelmail.in (A.D. Tejpal) Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2011 17:10:02 +0530 Subject: [AccessD] 2001 Error - You cancelled the previous operation References: <000a01cc8184$13da1fb0$3b8e5f10$@net> Message-ID: <663E55F820A34BBE9D3860641594DD95@personal4a8ede> Mark, Could you please furnish the complete code in form's module? Best wishes, A.D. Tejpal ------------ ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark Simms To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Sent: Monday, October 03, 2011 09:52 Subject: [AccessD] 2001 Error - You cancelled the previous operation After hours and hours of testing this, I came to the conclusion that unless I trap the vbKeyEscape in the KeyDown event handler, I am unable to add a new record to a form after an undo has occurred. I get this dreaded 2001 error which appears to be a misleading one. It appears that an UnDo condition throws the form into a tizzy-state. Any method of attempting to add a new record after an undo has occurred either with a RunCommand GotoRecord acNewrec directive or trying to do an AddNew and Bookmark ... all fail. When I kill the escape key, all is well..but of course, my users are mad.they cannot undo the record. Unless I'm missing something , this is definitely a bug, no ? From jimdettman at verizon.net Mon Oct 3 08:04:43 2011 From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman) Date: Mon, 03 Oct 2011 09:04:43 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] 2001 Error - You cancelled the previous operation In-Reply-To: <001201cc8185$4d32a560$e797f020$@gmail.com> References: <000a01cc8184$13da1fb0$3b8e5f10$@net> <001201cc8185$4d32a560$e797f020$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <> Why are you bothering to use Access then? If your going to go through all that work, you might as well use something else that gives you more features and capabilities. Jim. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Benson (VBACreations.Com) Sent: Monday, October 03, 2011 12:31 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] 2001 Error - You cancelled the previous operation I never let Access Add New, I always use unbound controls, and validate field by field, and then use SQL and refresh the form... and I don't have these problems ;-) -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Simms Sent: Monday, October 03, 2011 12:23 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: [AccessD] 2001 Error - You cancelled the previous operation After hours and hours of testing this, I came to the conclusion that unless I trap the vbKeyEscape in the KeyDown event handler, I am unable to add a new record to a form after an undo has occurred. I get this dreaded 2001 error which appears to be a misleading one. It appears that an UnDo condition throws the form into a tizzy-state. Any method of attempting to add a new record after an undo has occurred either with a RunCommand GotoRecord acNewrec directive or trying to do an AddNew and Bookmark ... all fail. When I kill the escape key, all is well..but of course, my users are mad.they cannot undo the record. Unless I'm missing something , this is definitely a bug, no ? -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From DWUTKA at Marlow.com Mon Oct 3 10:02:56 2011 From: DWUTKA at Marlow.com (Drew Wutka) Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2011 10:02:56 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Object or class does not support the set of events In-Reply-To: <4E871AC3.60604@colbyconsulting.com> References: <4E871AC3.60604@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: John, there are several known causes of this issue. One in particular, in relation to Windows 7 and different versions of Access, is that Office 2003 is not being allowed to tweak some registry settings when it boots, after a different version was running. Someone already mentioned, with the system setups you have, you should just stick to one version of Office per machine, will make life easier.... Drew -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2011 8:51 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: [AccessD] Object or class does not support the set of events Holy cow man things just get worse and worse. In lookingup the error message in the subject I found something about having Access "run as administrator". Somehow I found and set that and now *everything* is broken. As I open Access it does the UAC thing (screen dims and asks if i want to allow the application to make changes), then Access tries to open and gives me a "There was a problem sending the command to the program.", then Access does in fact open. What have I done and how do I undo it? I cannot seem to find my back to where I set that property. Will a restore point get rid of this crap? I have billing to get done and I am broken. I have spent two hours on just this stuff and I am now further from a solution than when I started. @#$&*&*^&)(*_)(*)&*%&^#%$#!%*()&_)*_)*(!!!!! -- John W. Colby Colby Consulting -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com The information contained in this transmission is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain II-VI Proprietary and/or II-VI Business Sensitive material. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender immediately and destroy the material in its entirety, whether electronic or hard copy. You are notified that any review, retransmission, copying, disclosure, dissemination, or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. From DWUTKA at Marlow.com Mon Oct 3 10:07:54 2011 From: DWUTKA at Marlow.com (Drew Wutka) Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2011 10:07:54 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] The windows 7 upgrade experience In-Reply-To: <4E870973.3040301@colbyconsulting.com> References: <4E870973.3040301@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: There ya go! Way to stay cutting edge.... Windows 8 is almost out! ;) (Just ribbing ya a bit JWC) Drew -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2011 7:37 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: [AccessD] The windows 7 upgrade experience I moved my 3 year old Dell M90 laptop to Windows. I purchased the Seagate Momentus XT hybrid drive (it has an SSD cache) and did a clean install of Windows 7 and started the migration. So much fun. I also installed Office 2003 and then Office 2010. Now, even though 2003 is the default when I double click an access database, if I right click in a directory and tell it to create a new database, it creates an Access 2010 database. Does anyone know where that property is stored / changed? Windows is soooooo much fun. I have to say I like Windows 7 much better than Vista. I realize it is really just Vista Service Pack 57 but it still just seems to work better. And I really like the combination of the Seagate XT drive and Windows 7 (clean install). So far it is booting to the logon in just a few seconds and from there to a usable desktop in just a few more seconds. And yea, I know that it may not stay that way after installing / uninstalling a jillion things. But for today it feels like a brand new computer. jwcolby Colby Consulting -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com The information contained in this transmission is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain II-VI Proprietary and/or II-VI Business Sensitive material. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender immediately and destroy the material in its entirety, whether electronic or hard copy. You are notified that any review, retransmission, copying, disclosure, dissemination, or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Mon Oct 3 10:44:53 2011 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Mon, 03 Oct 2011 11:44:53 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] 2001 Error - You cancelled the previous operation In-Reply-To: References: <000a01cc8184$13da1fb0$3b8e5f10$@net> <001201cc8185$4d32a560$e797f020$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4E89D875.3010005@colbyconsulting.com> ROTFL. So true, like C#. John W. Colby Colby Consulting On 10/3/2011 9:04 AM, Jim Dettman wrote: > < field by field, and then use SQL and refresh the form...>> > > Why are you bothering to use Access then? If your going to go through all > that work, you might as well use something else that gives you more features > and capabilities. > > Jim. > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Benson > (VBACreations.Com) > Sent: Monday, October 03, 2011 12:31 AM > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > Subject: Re: [AccessD] 2001 Error - You cancelled the previous operation > > I never let Access Add New, I always use unbound controls, and validate > field by field, and then use SQL and refresh the form... and I don't have > these problems ;-) > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Simms > Sent: Monday, October 03, 2011 12:23 AM > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > Subject: [AccessD] 2001 Error - You cancelled the previous operation > > After hours and hours of testing this, I came to the conclusion that unless > I trap the vbKeyEscape in the KeyDown event handler, I am unable to add a > new record to a form after an undo has occurred. I get this dreaded 2001 > error which appears to be a misleading one. > > > > It appears that an UnDo condition throws the form into a tizzy-state. Any > method of attempting to add a new record after an undo has occurred either > with a RunCommand GotoRecord acNewrec directive or trying to do an AddNew > and Bookmark ... all fail. When I kill the escape key, all is well..but of > course, my users are mad.they cannot undo the record. > > > > Unless I'm missing something , this is definitely a bug, no ? > From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Mon Oct 3 10:50:18 2011 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Mon, 03 Oct 2011 11:50:18 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] The windows 7 upgrade experience In-Reply-To: References: <4E870973.3040301@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <4E89D9BA.4030602@colbyconsulting.com> > (Just ribbing ya a bit JWC) LOL. > There ya go! Way to stay cutting edge.... Windows 8 is almost out! ;) I read the other day "The end of an old technology is always way better than the beginning of a new technology" which is pretty much true. I am just getting in on the Windows 7 "end". It is service packed to death and running smoothly, and they will maintain it for many more years. It truly is (almost) an "XP experience" at this point. I actually kind of like it, whereas I hated Vista until the day I stopped using it. Just an FYI, this Seagate Momentus XT drive and Windows 7 is a wonderful experience so far. I had reached the point where I was seriously looking at replacing the laptop because it was so slow. Not any more! John W. Colby Colby Consulting On 10/3/2011 11:07 AM, Drew Wutka wrote: > There ya go! Way to stay cutting edge.... Windows 8 is almost out! ;) > > Drew From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Mon Oct 3 11:25:59 2011 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2011 09:25:59 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Delete Problem Message-ID: <384F09F2B2BC465E9C86D20DAF6D4C70@HAL9007> Dear List: I have a subform which has as its record source a query which joins an Account Receivable table to an account table: SELECT tblAccountsReceivable.fldARID, tblAccountsReceivable.fldAccountNumber, (*** bunch of other fields***) FROM tblAccountsReceivable LEFT JOIN tblAccounts ON tblAccountsReceivable.fldAccountNumber = tblAccounts.fldAccountNumber ORDER BY tblAccountsReceivable.fldARID; where Account Number is the PK of Accounts and the FK in AccountsReceivable. The subform is a continuous form showing the receivable records. When I select a record and hit the delete key the receivable record is deleted but also the Account from tblAccounts! I get the "You are about to delete..." warning message. No cascade delete. I can't understand why it would delete the account. The relationship in the query is one-to-many: one Account, many Accounts Receivable records. Any clues? I'm stumped. MTIA Rocky From dnod at aol.com Mon Oct 3 11:34:14 2011 From: dnod at aol.com (Dean) Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2011 12:34:14 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Delete Problem In-Reply-To: <384F09F2B2BC465E9C86D20DAF6D4C70@HAL9007> References: <384F09F2B2BC465E9C86D20DAF6D4C70@HAL9007> Message-ID: I think you may have answered your own question there. Your query is essentially a table of accounts, with the receivables pulled in. When you select a record to delete, you are selecting the account. I would rework that query, use the FK to to pull the account in as a lookup instead. Regards, Dean On Oct 3, 2011, at 12:25 PM, Rocky Smolin wrote: > Dear List: > > I have a subform which has as its record source a query which joins an > Account Receivable table to an account table: > > SELECT tblAccountsReceivable.fldARID, > tblAccountsReceivable.fldAccountNumber, (*** bunch of other fields***) FROM > tblAccountsReceivable LEFT JOIN tblAccounts ON > tblAccountsReceivable.fldAccountNumber = tblAccounts.fldAccountNumber > ORDER BY tblAccountsReceivable.fldARID; > > where Account Number is the PK of Accounts and the FK in AccountsReceivable. > > The subform is a continuous form showing the receivable records. When I > select a record and hit the delete key the receivable record is deleted but > also the Account from tblAccounts! > > I get the "You are about to delete..." warning message. > > No cascade delete. > > I can't understand why it would delete the account. The relationship in the > query is one-to-many: one Account, many Accounts Receivable records. > > Any clues? I'm stumped. > > MTIA > > Rocky > > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Mon Oct 3 11:45:00 2011 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2011 09:45:00 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Delete Problem In-Reply-To: References: <384F09F2B2BC465E9C86D20DAF6D4C70@HAL9007> Message-ID: <0843D0FBD16747CABAA4DD0E8C7908BF@HAL9007> Dean: Looks to me like it's a table of Accounts Receivable - the only field from tblAccounts I need is the account Name. No? fldName is the only field from tblAccounts in the query. Is there a way to rewrite the query so that it wouldn't delete the Account only the Receivable record? TIA Rocky -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dean Sent: Monday, October 03, 2011 9:34 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Delete Problem I think you may have answered your own question there. Your query is essentially a table of accounts, with the receivables pulled in. When you select a record to delete, you are selecting the account. I would rework that query, use the FK to to pull the account in as a lookup instead. Regards, Dean On Oct 3, 2011, at 12:25 PM, Rocky Smolin wrote: > Dear List: > > I have a subform which has as its record source a query which joins an > Account Receivable table to an account table: > > SELECT tblAccountsReceivable.fldARID, > tblAccountsReceivable.fldAccountNumber, (*** bunch of other fields***) > FROM tblAccountsReceivable LEFT JOIN tblAccounts ON > tblAccountsReceivable.fldAccountNumber = tblAccounts.fldAccountNumber > ORDER BY tblAccountsReceivable.fldARID; > > where Account Number is the PK of Accounts and the FK in AccountsReceivable. > > The subform is a continuous form showing the receivable records. When > I select a record and hit the delete key the receivable record is > deleted but also the Account from tblAccounts! > > I get the "You are about to delete..." warning message. > > No cascade delete. > > I can't understand why it would delete the account. The relationship > in the query is one-to-many: one Account, many Accounts Receivable records. > > Any clues? I'm stumped. > > MTIA > > Rocky > > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From dnod at aol.com Mon Oct 3 11:58:34 2011 From: dnod at aol.com (Dean) Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2011 12:58:34 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Delete Problem In-Reply-To: <0843D0FBD16747CABAA4DD0E8C7908BF@HAL9007> References: <384F09F2B2BC465E9C86D20DAF6D4C70@HAL9007> <0843D0FBD16747CABAA4DD0E8C7908BF@HAL9007> Message-ID: <1A87C5AF-D40D-4D0C-BB27-8CF4A19B9A1E@aol.com> well, pardon me for jumping to conclusions. on further inspections it is more like what I suggested than what I thought I saw. I assume you parent form has the accounts table PK. Are you sure you are initiating delete from the subform? You may be calling delete on the main form. I would trap that and disallow any uncontrolled processes by running all actions through the CBF. This way you provide your own, more meaningful warning message, verify and run an action query of your own. Regards, Dean On Oct 3, 2011, at 12:45 PM, Rocky Smolin wrote: > Dean: > > Looks to me like it's a table of Accounts Receivable - the only field from > tblAccounts I need is the account Name. No? fldName is the only field from > tblAccounts in the query. > > Is there a way to rewrite the query so that it wouldn't delete the Account > only the Receivable record? > > TIA > > Rocky > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dean > Sent: Monday, October 03, 2011 9:34 AM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Delete Problem > > I think you may have answered your own question there. Your query is > essentially a table of accounts, with the receivables pulled in. When you > select a record to delete, you are selecting the account. I would rework > that query, use the FK to to pull the account in as a lookup instead. > > Regards, Dean > > > On Oct 3, 2011, at 12:25 PM, Rocky Smolin wrote: > >> Dear List: >> >> I have a subform which has as its record source a query which joins an >> Account Receivable table to an account table: >> >> SELECT tblAccountsReceivable.fldARID, >> tblAccountsReceivable.fldAccountNumber, (*** bunch of other fields***) >> FROM tblAccountsReceivable LEFT JOIN tblAccounts ON >> tblAccountsReceivable.fldAccountNumber = tblAccounts.fldAccountNumber >> ORDER BY tblAccountsReceivable.fldARID; >> >> where Account Number is the PK of Accounts and the FK in > AccountsReceivable. >> >> The subform is a continuous form showing the receivable records. When >> I select a record and hit the delete key the receivable record is >> deleted but also the Account from tblAccounts! >> >> I get the "You are about to delete..." warning message. >> >> No cascade delete. >> >> I can't understand why it would delete the account. The relationship >> in the query is one-to-many: one Account, many Accounts Receivable > records. >> >> Any clues? I'm stumped. >> >> MTIA >> >> Rocky >> >> >> >> >> -- >> AccessD mailing list >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From marksimms at verizon.net Mon Oct 3 12:07:41 2011 From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms) Date: Mon, 03 Oct 2011 13:07:41 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] 2001 Error - You cancelled the previous operation In-Reply-To: <663E55F820A34BBE9D3860641594DD95@personal4a8ede> References: <000a01cc8184$13da1fb0$3b8e5f10$@net> <663E55F820A34BBE9D3860641594DD95@personal4a8ede> Message-ID: <009e01cc81ee$f67b5860$e3720920$@net> After sleeping on this (and I swear I solve all of my difficult problems this way).... The answer was obvious: Me.Requery right after the Undo. Heck, why was that ? Simple: There are few other form level methods to use anyway !! Is it a good solution: Absolutely not. I now have to remember the record number prior to the Add, and then navigate back to it. That being said, I still could not put the datasheet portion of the form back to it's original set of records as there is no way of insuring the first record in the scrolled list appears as #1 in the list. Instead, the remembered record number shows up as the first in the list. I need a Screen.Activesheet.FirstRecord settable property. All in all: It was definitely a bug.....tested in AC2010 - orig release, using a SplitForm. I'll bet it's still in AC2007-SP2. > Mark, > > Could you please furnish the complete code in form's module? > > Best wishes, > A.D. Tejpal From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Mon Oct 3 12:10:44 2011 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2011 10:10:44 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Delete Problem In-Reply-To: <1A87C5AF-D40D-4D0C-BB27-8CF4A19B9A1E@aol.com> References: <384F09F2B2BC465E9C86D20DAF6D4C70@HAL9007><0843D0FBD16747CABAA4DD0E8C7908BF@HAL9007> <1A87C5AF-D40D-4D0C-BB27-8CF4A19B9A1E@aol.com> Message-ID: Dean: Actually, the main form has no record source. It just holds the subform (among other things.). SO I am initiating the delete from the subform. So the accounts table is only in the record source of the subform. Regards, Rocky -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dean Sent: Monday, October 03, 2011 9:59 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Delete Problem well, pardon me for jumping to conclusions. on further inspections it is more like what I suggested than what I thought I saw. I assume you parent form has the accounts table PK. Are you sure you are initiating delete from the subform? You may be calling delete on the main form. I would trap that and disallow any uncontrolled processes by running all actions through the CBF. This way you provide your own, more meaningful warning message, verify and run an action query of your own. Regards, Dean On Oct 3, 2011, at 12:45 PM, Rocky Smolin wrote: > Dean: > > Looks to me like it's a table of Accounts Receivable - the only field > from tblAccounts I need is the account Name. No? fldName is the only > field from tblAccounts in the query. > > Is there a way to rewrite the query so that it wouldn't delete the > Account only the Receivable record? > > TIA > > Rocky > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dean > Sent: Monday, October 03, 2011 9:34 AM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Delete Problem > > I think you may have answered your own question there. Your query is > essentially a table of accounts, with the receivables pulled in. When > you select a record to delete, you are selecting the account. I would > rework that query, use the FK to to pull the account in as a lookup instead. > > Regards, Dean > > > On Oct 3, 2011, at 12:25 PM, Rocky Smolin wrote: > >> Dear List: >> >> I have a subform which has as its record source a query which joins >> an Account Receivable table to an account table: >> >> SELECT tblAccountsReceivable.fldARID, >> tblAccountsReceivable.fldAccountNumber, (*** bunch of other >> fields***) FROM tblAccountsReceivable LEFT JOIN tblAccounts ON >> tblAccountsReceivable.fldAccountNumber = tblAccounts.fldAccountNumber >> ORDER BY tblAccountsReceivable.fldARID; >> >> where Account Number is the PK of Accounts and the FK in > AccountsReceivable. >> >> The subform is a continuous form showing the receivable records. >> When I select a record and hit the delete key the receivable record >> is deleted but also the Account from tblAccounts! >> >> I get the "You are about to delete..." warning message. >> >> No cascade delete. >> >> I can't understand why it would delete the account. The relationship >> in the query is one-to-many: one Account, many Accounts Receivable > records. >> >> Any clues? I'm stumped. >> >> MTIA >> >> Rocky >> >> >> >> >> -- >> AccessD mailing list >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Mon Oct 3 12:21:32 2011 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2011 10:21:32 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Delete Problem In-Reply-To: References: <384F09F2B2BC465E9C86D20DAF6D4C70@HAL9007><0843D0FBD16747CABAA4DD0E8C7908BF@HAL9007><1A87C5AF-D40D-4D0C-BB27-8CF4A19B9A1E@aol.com> Message-ID: <557560D014D144479B9B64408999739A@HAL9007> OK, I worked around the problem by putting a delete button on the main form and using: Private Sub cmdDelete_Click() intReply = MsgBox("Are you certain you want to delete this Receivable record?", vbYesNo) If intReply = vbNo Then Exit Sub Set db = CurrentDb db.Execute "Delete * FROM tblAccountsReceivable WHERE fldARID = " & Me.subfrmAccountsReceivable!fldARID db.Close Me.subfrmAccountsReceivable.Requery End Sub And setting AllowDeletions on the subform to false But it's still a mystery. Rocky -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: Monday, October 03, 2011 10:11 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Delete Problem Dean: Actually, the main form has no record source. It just holds the subform (among other things.). SO I am initiating the delete from the subform. So the accounts table is only in the record source of the subform. Regards, Rocky -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dean Sent: Monday, October 03, 2011 9:59 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Delete Problem well, pardon me for jumping to conclusions. on further inspections it is more like what I suggested than what I thought I saw. I assume you parent form has the accounts table PK. Are you sure you are initiating delete from the subform? You may be calling delete on the main form. I would trap that and disallow any uncontrolled processes by running all actions through the CBF. This way you provide your own, more meaningful warning message, verify and run an action query of your own. Regards, Dean On Oct 3, 2011, at 12:45 PM, Rocky Smolin wrote: > Dean: > > Looks to me like it's a table of Accounts Receivable - the only field > from tblAccounts I need is the account Name. No? fldName is the only > field from tblAccounts in the query. > > Is there a way to rewrite the query so that it wouldn't delete the > Account only the Receivable record? > > TIA > > Rocky > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dean > Sent: Monday, October 03, 2011 9:34 AM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Delete Problem > > I think you may have answered your own question there. Your query is > essentially a table of accounts, with the receivables pulled in. When > you select a record to delete, you are selecting the account. I would > rework that query, use the FK to to pull the account in as a lookup instead. > > Regards, Dean > > > On Oct 3, 2011, at 12:25 PM, Rocky Smolin wrote: > >> Dear List: >> >> I have a subform which has as its record source a query which joins >> an Account Receivable table to an account table: >> >> SELECT tblAccountsReceivable.fldARID, >> tblAccountsReceivable.fldAccountNumber, (*** bunch of other >> fields***) FROM tblAccountsReceivable LEFT JOIN tblAccounts ON >> tblAccountsReceivable.fldAccountNumber = tblAccounts.fldAccountNumber >> ORDER BY tblAccountsReceivable.fldARID; >> >> where Account Number is the PK of Accounts and the FK in > AccountsReceivable. >> >> The subform is a continuous form showing the receivable records. >> When I select a record and hit the delete key the receivable record >> is deleted but also the Account from tblAccounts! >> >> I get the "You are about to delete..." warning message. >> >> No cascade delete. >> >> I can't understand why it would delete the account. The relationship >> in the query is one-to-many: one Account, many Accounts Receivable > records. >> >> Any clues? I'm stumped. >> >> MTIA >> >> Rocky >> >> >> >> >> -- >> AccessD mailing list >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From dnod at aol.com Mon Oct 3 12:22:32 2011 From: dnod at aol.com (Dean) Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2011 13:22:32 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Delete Problem In-Reply-To: References: <384F09F2B2BC465E9C86D20DAF6D4C70@HAL9007><0843D0FBD16747CABAA4DD0E8C7908BF@HAL9007> <1A87C5AF-D40D-4D0C-BB27-8CF4A19B9A1E@aol.com> Message-ID: If you do not have the PK for the accounts anywhere in the parent or the subform, I don't see how hitting the delete key would do it. You don't have any events running a procedure or macro? I am not a SQL statement expert, but that statement does not seem to me able to cause what you describe. I would double check the relationship settings, you said there are no cascade delete settings but that would surely fit. Check your event procedures on both forms. Is something being triggered that you were not expecting, or perhaps you mistakenly referenced the accounts table in code or macro. Regards, Dean On Oct 3, 2011, at 1:10 PM, Rocky Smolin wrote: > Dean: > > Actually, the main form has no record source. It just holds the subform > (among other things.). SO I am initiating the delete from the subform. So > the accounts table is only in the record source of the subform. > > Regards, Rocky > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dean > Sent: Monday, October 03, 2011 9:59 AM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Delete Problem > > well, pardon me for jumping to conclusions. on further inspections it is > more like what I suggested than what I thought I saw. > > I assume you parent form has the accounts table PK. > Are you sure you are initiating delete from the subform? You may be calling > delete on the main form. I would trap that and disallow any uncontrolled > processes by running all actions through the CBF. This way you provide your > own, more meaningful warning message, verify and run an action query of your > own. > > Regards, Dean > > > On Oct 3, 2011, at 12:45 PM, Rocky Smolin wrote: > >> Dean: >> >> Looks to me like it's a table of Accounts Receivable - the only field >> from tblAccounts I need is the account Name. No? fldName is the only >> field from tblAccounts in the query. >> >> Is there a way to rewrite the query so that it wouldn't delete the >> Account only the Receivable record? >> >> TIA >> >> Rocky >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dean >> Sent: Monday, October 03, 2011 9:34 AM >> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving >> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Delete Problem >> >> I think you may have answered your own question there. Your query is >> essentially a table of accounts, with the receivables pulled in. When >> you select a record to delete, you are selecting the account. I would >> rework that query, use the FK to to pull the account in as a lookup > instead. >> >> Regards, Dean >> >> >> On Oct 3, 2011, at 12:25 PM, Rocky Smolin wrote: >> >>> Dear List: >>> >>> I have a subform which has as its record source a query which joins >>> an Account Receivable table to an account table: >>> >>> SELECT tblAccountsReceivable.fldARID, >>> tblAccountsReceivable.fldAccountNumber, (*** bunch of other >>> fields***) FROM tblAccountsReceivable LEFT JOIN tblAccounts ON >>> tblAccountsReceivable.fldAccountNumber = tblAccounts.fldAccountNumber >>> ORDER BY tblAccountsReceivable.fldARID; >>> >>> where Account Number is the PK of Accounts and the FK in >> AccountsReceivable. >>> >>> The subform is a continuous form showing the receivable records. >>> When I select a record and hit the delete key the receivable record >>> is deleted but also the Account from tblAccounts! >>> >>> I get the "You are about to delete..." warning message. >>> >>> No cascade delete. >>> >>> I can't understand why it would delete the account. The relationship >>> in the query is one-to-many: one Account, many Accounts Receivable >> records. >>> >>> Any clues? I'm stumped. >>> >>> MTIA >>> >>> Rocky >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> AccessD mailing list >>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> >> -- >> AccessD mailing list >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> -- >> AccessD mailing list >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From dnod at aol.com Mon Oct 3 12:25:37 2011 From: dnod at aol.com (Dean) Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2011 13:25:37 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Delete Problem In-Reply-To: <557560D014D144479B9B64408999739A@HAL9007> References: <384F09F2B2BC465E9C86D20DAF6D4C70@HAL9007><0843D0FBD16747CABAA4DD0E8C7908BF@HAL9007><1A87C5AF-D40D-4D0C-BB27-8CF4A19B9A1E@aol.com> <557560D014D144479B9B64408999739A@HAL9007> Message-ID: I think that is better anyway. I try to limit all possible actions that way as a matter of course. Regards, Dean On Oct 3, 2011, at 1:21 PM, Rocky Smolin wrote: > OK, I worked around the problem by putting a delete button on the main form > and using: > > Private Sub cmdDelete_Click() > > intReply = MsgBox("Are you certain you want to delete this Receivable > record?", vbYesNo) > If intReply = vbNo Then Exit Sub > > Set db = CurrentDb > db.Execute "Delete * FROM tblAccountsReceivable WHERE fldARID = " & > Me.subfrmAccountsReceivable!fldARID > db.Close > Me.subfrmAccountsReceivable.Requery > > End Sub > > And setting AllowDeletions on the subform to false > > But it's still a mystery. > > > Rocky > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin > Sent: Monday, October 03, 2011 10:11 AM > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Delete Problem > > Dean: > > Actually, the main form has no record source. It just holds the subform > (among other things.). SO I am initiating the delete from the subform. So > the accounts table is only in the record source of the subform. > > Regards, Rocky > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dean > Sent: Monday, October 03, 2011 9:59 AM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Delete Problem > > well, pardon me for jumping to conclusions. on further inspections it is > more like what I suggested than what I thought I saw. > > I assume you parent form has the accounts table PK. > Are you sure you are initiating delete from the subform? You may be calling > delete on the main form. I would trap that and disallow any uncontrolled > processes by running all actions through the CBF. This way you provide your > own, more meaningful warning message, verify and run an action query of your > own. > > Regards, Dean > > > On Oct 3, 2011, at 12:45 PM, Rocky Smolin wrote: > >> Dean: >> >> Looks to me like it's a table of Accounts Receivable - the only field >> from tblAccounts I need is the account Name. No? fldName is the only >> field from tblAccounts in the query. >> >> Is there a way to rewrite the query so that it wouldn't delete the >> Account only the Receivable record? >> >> TIA >> >> Rocky >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dean >> Sent: Monday, October 03, 2011 9:34 AM >> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving >> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Delete Problem >> >> I think you may have answered your own question there. Your query is >> essentially a table of accounts, with the receivables pulled in. When >> you select a record to delete, you are selecting the account. I would >> rework that query, use the FK to to pull the account in as a lookup > instead. >> >> Regards, Dean >> >> >> On Oct 3, 2011, at 12:25 PM, Rocky Smolin wrote: >> >>> Dear List: >>> >>> I have a subform which has as its record source a query which joins >>> an Account Receivable table to an account table: >>> >>> SELECT tblAccountsReceivable.fldARID, >>> tblAccountsReceivable.fldAccountNumber, (*** bunch of other >>> fields***) FROM tblAccountsReceivable LEFT JOIN tblAccounts ON >>> tblAccountsReceivable.fldAccountNumber = tblAccounts.fldAccountNumber >>> ORDER BY tblAccountsReceivable.fldARID; >>> >>> where Account Number is the PK of Accounts and the FK in >> AccountsReceivable. >>> >>> The subform is a continuous form showing the receivable records. >>> When I select a record and hit the delete key the receivable record >>> is deleted but also the Account from tblAccounts! >>> >>> I get the "You are about to delete..." warning message. >>> >>> No cascade delete. >>> >>> I can't understand why it would delete the account. The relationship >>> in the query is one-to-many: one Account, many Accounts Receivable >> records. >>> >>> Any clues? I'm stumped. >>> >>> MTIA >>> >>> Rocky >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> AccessD mailing list >>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> >> -- >> AccessD mailing list >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> -- >> AccessD mailing list >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From vbacreations at gmail.com Mon Oct 3 14:20:49 2011 From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson (VBACreations.Com)) Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2011 15:20:49 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Optimizing query when select part requires a calculation Message-ID: <004b01cc8201$8fc0d7e0$af4287a0$@gmail.com> Optimizing a query that compares calculated result from each table. I have 2 tables Tbl1 and Tbl2, each with the same two columns [A] and [B]; I wanted to ask Access what values from the combination of these two fields exist in one but not the other. I used "|" as a separator. I want to know (1) Why method 1a and 1b are equivalent (2) Why Method 2 is not required (ie, why can I test either item for Null and it represents the combination is null, not the single field on its own) (3) Why Method 3 takes hundreds of times longer 'METHOD 1a SELECT [Tbl1].[A] & "|" & [Tbl1].[B] AS ResultX FROM Tbl1 LEFT JOIN Tbl2 ON (Tbl1.[B] = Tbl2.[B]) AND (Tbl1.[A] = Tbl2.[A]) WHERE Tbl2.A Is Null 'METHOD 1a SELECT [Tbl1].[A] & "|" & [Tbl1].[B] AS ResultX FROM Tbl1 LEFT JOIN Tbl2 ON (Tbl1.[B] = Tbl2.[B]) AND (Tbl1.[A] = Tbl2.[A]) WHERE Tbl2.B Is Null 'METHOD 2 SELECT [Tbl1].[A] & "|" & [Tbl1].[B] AS ResultX FROM Tbl1 LEFT JOIN Tbl2 ON (Tbl1.[B] = Tbl2.[B]) AND (Tbl1.[A] = Tbl2.[A]) WHERE (Tbl2.A Is Null OR Tbl2.B Is Null) <--- Testing both seems not necessary 'METHOD 3 Select [Tbl1].[A] & "|" & [Tbl1].[B] as ResultX >From [Tbl1] Where [Tbl1].[A] & "|" & [Tbl1].[B] Not IN (Select [Tbl2].[A] & "|" & [Tbl2].[B] as ResultY From [Tbl2]) From marksimms at verizon.net Mon Oct 3 15:47:45 2011 From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms) Date: Mon, 03 Oct 2011 16:47:45 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] 2001 Error - You cancelled the previous operation - THE FINAL WORD In-Reply-To: <009e01cc81ee$f67b5860$e3720920$@net> References: <000a01cc8184$13da1fb0$3b8e5f10$@net> <663E55F820A34BBE9D3860641594DD95@personal4a8ede> <009e01cc81ee$f67b5860$e3720920$@net> Message-ID: <002d01cc820d$b4c0ed30$1e42c790$@net> > All in all: It was definitely a bug.....tested in AC2010 - orig > release, > using a SplitForm. > I'll bet it's still in AC2007-SP2. What a story!! Ported the FE and BE to AC2007. However, I had a use a HEX EDITOR to make the 2010 BE compatible with AC2007. This is well documented: http://www.utteraccess.com/forum/print.html&client=printer&f=54&t=1948489 BTW: I used Winhex - greatly recommended. Strangely, on my first test in AC2007, I initially was getting a DIFFERENT ERROR MESSAGE. One related to disabling a control that had the focus. My GUI is complex and so that is a typical overlooked situation. I fixed that problem and of course the rest is history: No more 2001 errors - that was bogus. No need for Requery. Problem was totally and completely in AC2010 - an error condition occurred that was not trapped by "ON ERROR..." THAT'S IT. I cannot imagine what OTHER situations I am going to encounter in 2010. This could be scary. From jimdettman at verizon.net Mon Oct 3 16:31:24 2011 From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman) Date: Mon, 03 Oct 2011 17:31:24 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] 2001 Error - You cancelled the previous operation - THE FINAL WORD In-Reply-To: <002d01cc820d$b4c0ed30$1e42c790$@net> References: <000a01cc8184$13da1fb0$3b8e5f10$@net> <663E55F820A34BBE9D3860641594DD95@personal4a8ede> <009e01cc81ee$f67b5860$e3720920$@net> <002d01cc820d$b4c0ed30$1e42c790$@net> Message-ID: <85C3C754FE65449E948B7101BDC8739C@XPS> >From that other thread: "I've exported my 80 forms and reports using SaveAsText (programmatically) and then manually opened each text file and searched for "Empty"." EatBloat really missed the boat...would have been a real seller. Jim. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Simms Sent: Monday, October 03, 2011 04:48 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] 2001 Error - You cancelled the previous operation - THE FINAL WORD > All in all: It was definitely a bug.....tested in AC2010 - orig > release, > using a SplitForm. > I'll bet it's still in AC2007-SP2. What a story!! Ported the FE and BE to AC2007. However, I had a use a HEX EDITOR to make the 2010 BE compatible with AC2007. This is well documented: http://www.utteraccess.com/forum/print.html&client=printer&f=54&t=1948489 BTW: I used Winhex - greatly recommended. Strangely, on my first test in AC2007, I initially was getting a DIFFERENT ERROR MESSAGE. One related to disabling a control that had the focus. My GUI is complex and so that is a typical overlooked situation. I fixed that problem and of course the rest is history: No more 2001 errors - that was bogus. No need for Requery. Problem was totally and completely in AC2010 - an error condition occurred that was not trapped by "ON ERROR..." THAT'S IT. I cannot imagine what OTHER situations I am going to encounter in 2010. This could be scary. -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Mon Oct 3 17:12:00 2011 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2011 08:12:00 +1000 Subject: [AccessD] 2001 Error - You cancelled the previous operation - THE FINAL WORD In-Reply-To: <002d01cc820d$b4c0ed30$1e42c790$@net> References: <000a01cc8184$13da1fb0$3b8e5f10$@net>, <009e01cc81ee$f67b5860$e3720920$@net>, <002d01cc820d$b4c0ed30$1e42c790$@net> Message-ID: <4E8A3330.9759.EAC442D@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Hack an Access container folder to fool it into thinking it is a different version and all bets are off. You can't know all of the circumstances where those hacked bits are used in some sort of test. -- Stuart On 3 Oct 2011 at 16:47, Mark Simms wrote: > > All in all: It was definitely a bug.....tested in AC2010 - orig > > release, > > using a SplitForm. > > I'll bet it's still in AC2007-SP2. > > What a story!! Ported the FE and BE to AC2007. However, I had a use a HEX > EDITOR to make the 2010 BE compatible with AC2007. This is well documented: > http://www.utteraccess.com/forum/print.html&client=printer&f=54&t=1948489 > BTW: I used Winhex - greatly recommended. > > Strangely, on my first test in AC2007, I initially was getting a DIFFERENT > ERROR MESSAGE. > One related to disabling a control that had the focus. > My GUI is complex and so that is a typical overlooked situation. > I fixed that problem and of course the rest is history: > No more 2001 errors - that was bogus. No need for Requery. > > Problem was totally and completely in AC2010 - an error condition occurred > that was not trapped by "ON ERROR..." > THAT'S IT. I cannot imagine what OTHER situations I am going to encounter in > 2010. This could be scary. > From vbacreations at gmail.com Mon Oct 3 17:45:41 2011 From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson) Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2011 18:45:41 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] 2001 Error - You cancelled the previous operation - THE FINAL WORD In-Reply-To: <4E8A3330.9759.EAC442D@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: <000a01cc8184$13da1fb0$3b8e5f10$@net> <009e01cc81ee$f67b5860$e3720920$@net> <002d01cc820d$b4c0ed30$1e42c790$@net> <4E8A3330.9759.EAC442D@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: You guys need a separate LISTSERV where you discuss all the things not fit for mere mortals. On Oct 3, 2011 6:14 PM, "Stuart McLachlan" wrote: > Hack an Access container folder to fool it into thinking it is a different version and all bets are > off. You can't know all of the circumstances where those hacked bits are used in some sort > of test. > > -- > Stuart > > On 3 Oct 2011 at 16:47, Mark Simms wrote: > >> > All in all: It was definitely a bug.....tested in AC2010 - orig >> > release, >> > using a SplitForm. >> > I'll bet it's still in AC2007-SP2. >> >> What a story!! Ported the FE and BE to AC2007. However, I had a use a HEX >> EDITOR to make the 2010 BE compatible with AC2007. This is well documented: >> http://www.utteraccess.com/forum/print.html&client=printer&f=54&t=1948489 >> BTW: I used Winhex - greatly recommended. >> >> Strangely, on my first test in AC2007, I initially was getting a DIFFERENT >> ERROR MESSAGE. >> One related to disabling a control that had the focus. >> My GUI is complex and so that is a typical overlooked situation. >> I fixed that problem and of course the rest is history: >> No more 2001 errors - that was bogus. No need for Requery. >> >> Problem was totally and completely in AC2010 - an error condition occurred >> that was not trapped by "ON ERROR..." >> THAT'S IT. I cannot imagine what OTHER situations I am going to encounter in >> 2010. This could be scary. >> > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au Mon Oct 3 20:48:24 2011 From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins) Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2011 12:48:24 +1100 Subject: [AccessD] Update on W7 SP1 breaking ADO Message-ID: <001401cc8237$b4ac88c0$1e059a40$@com.au> Well, The story so far... In short. You can download a beta version of W8 which has this issue fully resolved (well, according to MS anyway, although the comments from others seem encouraging at least). They are in the crapper with this one and what to do with SP1 on W7. They are aware it is a major screw up which has impacted many high value customers big time and seem unclear on the best way to resolve it. Good news is for the first time there are hints of the fix being rolled out via a service pack, probably an updated SP1 as there is no release schedule for SP2 yet. Bad news is it seems to be scheduled for next year at the earliest. Given the issue first came to light around Jan 2011, it is hardly an stellar response from MS. They do admit it is a tricky and complex thing to fix, but you really would have thought this issue would have been indentified during pre-release testing. Frankly, downloading a beta version of W8 into a virtual environment is hardly a decent fix right now for most folks.... Anyway... Darryl Collins Whittle Consulting Pty Ltd Suite 8, 660 Canterbury Rd Surrey Hills, VIC, 3127 e: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au w: www.whittleconsulting.com.au From accessd at shaw.ca Mon Oct 3 23:52:52 2011 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2011 21:52:52 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Update on W7 SP1 breaking ADO In-Reply-To: <001401cc8237$b4ac88c0$1e059a40$@com.au> References: <001401cc8237$b4ac88c0$1e059a40$@com.au> Message-ID: <198F5DFD77EA41428D8309F917969D7C@creativesystemdesigns.com> Well, that,s good news...ADO is back. :-) (...but not until spring.) Jim -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darryl Collins Sent: Monday, October 03, 2011 6:48 PM To: 'Microsoft Excel Developers List'; 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: [AccessD] Update on W7 SP1 breaking ADO Well, The story so far... In short. You can download a beta version of W8 which has this issue fully resolved (well, according to MS anyway, although the comments from others seem encouraging at least). They are in the crapper with this one and what to do with SP1 on W7. They are aware it is a major screw up which has impacted many high value customers big time and seem unclear on the best way to resolve it. Good news is for the first time there are hints of the fix being rolled out via a service pack, probably an updated SP1 as there is no release schedule for SP2 yet. Bad news is it seems to be scheduled for next year at the earliest. Given the issue first came to light around Jan 2011, it is hardly an stellar response from MS. They do admit it is a tricky and complex thing to fix, but you really would have thought this issue would have been indentified during pre-release testing. Frankly, downloading a beta version of W8 into a virtual environment is hardly a decent fix right now for most folks.... Anyway... Darryl Collins Whittle Consulting Pty Ltd Suite 8, 660 Canterbury Rd Surrey Hills, VIC, 3127 e: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au w: www.whittleconsulting.com.au -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au Tue Oct 4 00:30:54 2011 From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins) Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2011 16:30:54 +1100 Subject: [AccessD] Update on W7 SP1 breaking ADO In-Reply-To: <198F5DFD77EA41428D8309F917969D7C@creativesystemdesigns.com> References: <001401cc8237$b4ac88c0$1e059a40$@com.au> <198F5DFD77EA41428D8309F917969D7C@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: <001a01cc8256$c9afc600$5d0f5200$@com.au> Hehehehe, yeah something like that. Just in time for MS to drop it altogether if the rumours are to be believed.... -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Tuesday, 4 October 2011 3:53 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Update on W7 SP1 breaking ADO Well, that,s good news...ADO is back. :-) (...but not until spring.) Jim -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darryl Collins Sent: Monday, October 03, 2011 6:48 PM To: 'Microsoft Excel Developers List'; 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: [AccessD] Update on W7 SP1 breaking ADO Well, The story so far... In short. You can download a beta version of W8 which has this issue fully resolved (well, according to MS anyway, although the comments from others seem encouraging at least). They are in the crapper with this one and what to do with SP1 on W7. They are aware it is a major screw up which has impacted many high value customers big time and seem unclear on the best way to resolve it. Good news is for the first time there are hints of the fix being rolled out via a service pack, probably an updated SP1 as there is no release schedule for SP2 yet. Bad news is it seems to be scheduled for next year at the earliest. Given the issue first came to light around Jan 2011, it is hardly an stellar response from MS. They do admit it is a tricky and complex thing to fix, but you really would have thought this issue would have been indentified during pre-release testing. Frankly, downloading a beta version of W8 into a virtual environment is hardly a decent fix right now for most folks.... Anyway... Darryl Collins Whittle Consulting Pty Ltd Suite 8, 660 Canterbury Rd Surrey Hills, VIC, 3127 e: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au w: www.whittleconsulting.com.au -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Tue Oct 4 08:12:55 2011 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2011 09:12:55 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Access 2010 how to Message-ID: <4E8B0657.7040500@colbyconsulting.com> I am forced to use Access 2010 and so I am lost. How do I see the widget (pane?) on the left with all the tables, forms, queries etc. I am in a view where all I see are the tables, and oh my goodness, I see every damned thing remotely associated with every table. I so don't care about all of that stuff, though it could be useful at times. I just need to see a list of all my forms, or all my modules, or all my reports. Help me please. (My daughter Allie says that, in a plaintive little voice). -- John W. Colby Colby Consulting From ssharkins at gmail.com Tue Oct 4 08:18:57 2011 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2011 09:18:57 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Access 2010 how to References: <4E8B0657.7040500@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <668004D429CB4E019872A047C01461AA@SusanHarkins> There's a dropdown list at the top of the Navigation Pain in the... Pane. Choose Object Type. Then, you can choose the specific type of object. Susan H. >I am forced to use Access 2010 and so I am lost. > > How do I see the widget (pane?) on the left with all the tables, forms, > queries etc. > > I am in a view where all I see are the tables, and oh my goodness, I see > every damned thing remotely associated with every table. I so don't care > about all of that stuff, though it could be useful at times. > > I just need to see a list of all my forms, or all my modules, or all my > reports. > > Help me please. (My daughter Allie says that, in a plaintive little > voice). From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Tue Oct 4 08:51:38 2011 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2011 09:51:38 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Crome and LogMeIn full screen mode Message-ID: <4E8B0F6A.4090800@colbyconsulting.com> Chrome does not work correctly with LogmeIn full screen mode. In Firefox it causes the browser to maximize and the Windows task bar to disappear as well as all of the firefox toolbars. In chrome something happens, i.e. the screen moves around but the task / toolbars remain. -- John W. Colby Colby Consulting From Gustav at cactus.dk Tue Oct 4 09:09:34 2011 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2011 16:09:34 +0200 Subject: [AccessD] Crome and LogMeIn full screen mode Message-ID: Hi John I believe IE is the only browser that works 100% with LogMeIn. /gustav >>> jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com 04-10-2011 15:51 >>> Chrome does not work correctly with LogmeIn full screen mode. In Firefox it causes the browser to maximize and the Windows task bar to disappear as well as all of the firefox toolbars. In chrome something happens, i.e. the screen moves around but the task / toolbars remain. -- John W. Colby Colby Consulting From edzedz at comcast.net Tue Oct 4 09:11:37 2011 From: edzedz at comcast.net (Edward Zuris) Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2011 08:11:37 -0600 Subject: [AccessD] Crome and LogMeIn full screen mode In-Reply-To: <4E8B0F6A.4090800@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <004801cc829f$87d73260$5bdea8c0@edz1> Speaking of logmein. If you did a logmein install through the Dos method. How do you uninstall it ? -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2011 7:52 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: [AccessD] Crome and LogMeIn full screen mode Chrome does not work correctly with LogmeIn full screen mode. In Firefox it causes the browser to maximize and the Windows task bar to disappear as well as all of the firefox toolbars. In chrome something happens, i.e. the screen moves around but the task / toolbars remain. -- John W. Colby Colby Consulting -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Tue Oct 4 09:13:35 2011 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2011 10:13:35 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Access 2010 how to In-Reply-To: <668004D429CB4E019872A047C01461AA@SusanHarkins> References: <4E8B0657.7040500@colbyconsulting.com> <668004D429CB4E019872A047C01461AA@SusanHarkins> Message-ID: <4E8B148F.9090503@colbyconsulting.com> Susan, Thanks for replying. I am seeing my database open for business, with a switchboard. At the top is a very small toolbar with the Access symbol, a floppy (how quaint!) etc. Below that is a tab with File / Home etc. Home is selected, apparently by default? Below that is a toolbar. Massive! Below that is a work area. On the left side is a pane with the work Custom in it and a drop down arrow in a circle plus the << for causing it to shrink Below that is a bar with "Unassigned objects" So which of these objects is the navigation pane? Or more appropriately - PAIN as you are calling it. ;) I do not see an ellipsis (...) anywhere visible. John W. Colby Colby Consulting On 10/4/2011 9:18 AM, Susan Harkins wrote: > There's a dropdown list at the top of the Navigation Pain in the... Pane. Choose Object Type. Then, > you can choose the specific type of object. > > Susan H. > > >> I am forced to use Access 2010 and so I am lost. >> >> How do I see the widget (pane?) on the left with all the tables, forms, queries etc. >> >> I am in a view where all I see are the tables, and oh my goodness, I see every damned thing >> remotely associated with every table. I so don't care about all of that stuff, though it could be >> useful at times. >> >> I just need to see a list of all my forms, or all my modules, or all my reports. >> >> Help me please. (My daughter Allie says that, in a plaintive little voice). > From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Tue Oct 4 09:15:57 2011 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2011 10:15:57 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Crome and LogMeIn full screen mode In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4E8B151D.9090800@colbyconsulting.com> I have been using Firefox exclusively for several years. Do you know what IE gives me that Firefox does not? I just gave up on IE back when it sucked so badly and Firefox gave me an alternative, and have never returned. John W. Colby Colby Consulting On 10/4/2011 10:09 AM, Gustav Brock wrote: > Hi John > > I believe IE is the only browser that works 100% with LogMeIn. > > /gustav > >>>> jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com 04-10-2011 15:51>>> > Chrome does not work correctly with LogmeIn full screen mode. In Firefox it causes the browser to > maximize and the Windows task bar to disappear as well as all of the firefox toolbars. In chrome > something happens, i.e. the screen moves around but the task / toolbars remain. > From marksimms at verizon.net Tue Oct 4 09:19:59 2011 From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms) Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2011 10:19:59 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Access 2010 how to In-Reply-To: <4E8B0657.7040500@colbyconsulting.com> References: <4E8B0657.7040500@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <007201cc82a0$b3b53fc0$1b1fbf40$@net> > I am forced to use Access 2010 Someone put a gun to your head ? ;) That being said, it sure is great for end-users, But because they modified VBA, the bugs are numerous and nasty. With SP1, you've got to decompile your VBA project daily....sometimes more. It's very obvious there was very little beta testing of this product by developers. From Gustav at cactus.dk Tue Oct 4 09:26:28 2011 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2011 16:26:28 +0200 Subject: [AccessD] Crome and LogMeIn full screen mode Message-ID: Hi John No, sorry, because I don't use Firefox. I use IE mostly and Chrome for some. Firefox, Safari, and Opera I never touch except for tests with Visual Studio. /gustav >>> jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com 04-10-2011 16:15 >>> I have been using Firefox exclusively for several years. Do you know what IE gives me that Firefox does not? I just gave up on IE back when it sucked so badly and Firefox gave me an alternative, and have never returned. John W. Colby Colby Consulting On 10/4/2011 10:09 AM, Gustav Brock wrote: > Hi John > > I believe IE is the only browser that works 100% with LogMeIn. > > /gustav > >>>> jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com 04-10-2011 15:51>>> > Chrome does not work correctly with LogmeIn full screen mode. In Firefox it causes the browser to > maximize and the Windows task bar to disappear as well as all of the firefox toolbars. In chrome > something happens, i.e. the screen moves around but the task / toolbars remain. From ssharkins at gmail.com Tue Oct 4 09:31:23 2011 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2011 10:31:23 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Access 2010 how to References: <4E8B0657.7040500@colbyconsulting.com><668004D429CB4E019872A047C01461AA@SusanHarkins> <4E8B148F.9090503@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <5957940A00384201B440CF6B639F169A@SusanHarkins> > At the top is a very small toolbar with the Access symbol, a floppy (how > quaint!) etc. ======That's the Quick Access Toolbar - very handy. :) > Below that is a tab with File / Home etc. Home is selected, apparently by > default? > Below that is a toolbar. Massive! > Below that is a work area. On the left side is a pane with the work > Custom in it and a drop down arrow in a circle plus the << for causing it > to shrink > Below that is a bar with "Unassigned objects" =======This is the Navigation Pane. There should be some kind of default or object type choice in that dropdown list. Susan H. From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Tue Oct 4 09:29:48 2011 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2011 10:29:48 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Access 2010 how to In-Reply-To: <007201cc82a0$b3b53fc0$1b1fbf40$@net> References: <4E8B0657.7040500@colbyconsulting.com> <007201cc82a0$b3b53fc0$1b1fbf40$@net> Message-ID: <4E8B185C.2060203@colbyconsulting.com> > Someone put a gun to your head ? ;) Kinda. I spent days moving to a new disk / windows 7 for my dev machine. I have a client that uses Office 2010 and I am installing it on my wife's machine because she works for that client. I installed Office 2003 and then decided "what the heck" and installed Office 2010 as well. One of my not so good decisions. I am still actively debating uninstalling it. My problem atm is that I am able to get into my billing program in 2010 but not under 2003. I suspect that is an issue with both installed but I am not certain of that. What if I uninstall and still can't get into my billing program in 2003? But you (and the pile of evidence before my eyes) has convinced me and I am now uninstalling Office 2010. I will run it in a VM for the client. And pray that I can get my billing application back when 2010 is gone. John W. Colby Colby Consulting On 10/4/2011 10:19 AM, Mark Simms wrote: >> I am forced to use Access 2010 > Someone put a gun to your head ? ;) > > That being said, it sure is great for end-users, > But because they modified VBA, the bugs are numerous and nasty. > With SP1, you've got to decompile your VBA project daily....sometimes more. > > It's very obvious there was very little beta testing of this product by > developers. > > From sturner at mseco.com Tue Oct 4 09:56:32 2011 From: sturner at mseco.com (Steve Turner) Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2011 09:56:32 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Access 2010 how to In-Reply-To: <4E8B148F.9090503@colbyconsulting.com> References: <4E8B0657.7040500@colbyconsulting.com><668004D429CB4E019872A047C01461AA@SusanHarkins> <4E8B148F.9090503@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: John, If you select the bar with the down arrow circle you should get a drop down with Navigate to Category. Select the Object Type and select the Bar again and it should show a grey bar Filter By Group that list's the Tables < Forms, Macro's etc. Select one of those and it takes you to those tabs. The best thing about Access 2010 is the work window now has tabs and you can have many things open at the same time and switch back and forth between the tab to see the data. Steve A. Turner Controller Mid-South Engineering Co. Inc E-Mail: sturner at mseco.com and saturner at mseco.com -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2011 9:14 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access 2010 how to Susan, Thanks for replying. I am seeing my database open for business, with a switchboard. At the top is a very small toolbar with the Access symbol, a floppy (how quaint!) etc. Below that is a tab with File / Home etc. Home is selected, apparently by default? Below that is a toolbar. Massive! Below that is a work area. On the left side is a pane with the work Custom in it and a drop down arrow in a circle plus the << for causing it to shrink Below that is a bar with "Unassigned objects" So which of these objects is the navigation pane? Or more appropriately - PAIN as you are calling it. ;) I do not see an ellipsis (...) anywhere visible. John W. Colby Colby Consulting On 10/4/2011 9:18 AM, Susan Harkins wrote: > There's a dropdown list at the top of the Navigation Pain in the... Pane. Choose Object Type. Then, > you can choose the specific type of object. > > Susan H. > > >> I am forced to use Access 2010 and so I am lost. >> >> How do I see the widget (pane?) on the left with all the tables, forms, queries etc. >> >> I am in a view where all I see are the tables, and oh my goodness, I see every damned thing >> remotely associated with every table. I so don't care about all of that stuff, though it could be >> useful at times. >> >> I just need to see a list of all my forms, or all my modules, or all my reports. >> >> Help me please. (My daughter Allie says that, in a plaintive little voice). > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From john at winhaven.net Tue Oct 4 10:22:10 2011 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2011 10:22:10 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Crome and LogMeIn full screen mode In-Reply-To: <4E8B0F6A.4090800@colbyconsulting.com> References: <4E8B0F6A.4090800@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <004601cc82a9$629de2a0$27d9a7e0$@winhaven.net> John, I use Logmein a lot. I use it with either IE or Firefox. I run into a lot more problems with Firefox, Chrome, Opera than IE. Firefox 7 gives me a "General Failure = Url" alert when I click on a hyperlink in Outlook. The hyperlink still opens but I have to click out of an annoying error message each time, and that gets old. I tend to have a lot of annoying little issues with Chrome which either other people don't run into or for some reason overlook (is it that the anti-MS sentiment is still pretty strong out there and people will put up with a lot to avoid using MS products?) I just never took to using Opera or Safari much. Opera seemed to have an update every time I opened it and Safari wasn't very good last time I gave it a chance. Both are probably worth another look as that was over a year ago. IE 9 is very fast compared to older versions. It is also a lot more robust and secure: http://askbobrankin.com/which_browser_is_the_most_secure.html I don't know if it is the fastest or the most secure but it seems to be the least PITA for me so for now IE is default again. John B -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2011 8:52 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: [AccessD] Crome and LogMeIn full screen mode Chrome does not work correctly with LogmeIn full screen mode. In Firefox it causes the browser to maximize and the Windows task bar to disappear as well as all of the firefox toolbars. In chrome something happens, i.e. the screen moves around but the task / toolbars remain. From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Tue Oct 4 10:23:39 2011 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2011 08:23:39 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Access 2010 how to In-Reply-To: References: <4E8B0657.7040500@colbyconsulting.com><668004D429CB4E019872A047C01461AA@SusanHarkins><4E8B148F.9090503@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <7E56D016A4B24C2CAF79B73262AB1DDD@HAL9007> Oh - soooo much better than 2003 (rolling eyes) which was way to simple and effective. Rocky -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Turner Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2011 7:57 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access 2010 how to John, If you select the bar with the down arrow circle you should get a drop down with Navigate to Category. Select the Object Type and select the Bar again and it should show a grey bar Filter By Group that list's the Tables < Forms, Macro's etc. Select one of those and it takes you to those tabs. The best thing about Access 2010 is the work window now has tabs and you can have many things open at the same time and switch back and forth between the tab to see the data. Steve A. Turner Controller Mid-South Engineering Co. Inc E-Mail: sturner at mseco.com and saturner at mseco.com -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2011 9:14 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access 2010 how to Susan, Thanks for replying. I am seeing my database open for business, with a switchboard. At the top is a very small toolbar with the Access symbol, a floppy (how quaint!) etc. Below that is a tab with File / Home etc. Home is selected, apparently by default? Below that is a toolbar. Massive! Below that is a work area. On the left side is a pane with the work Custom in it and a drop down arrow in a circle plus the << for causing it to shrink Below that is a bar with "Unassigned objects" So which of these objects is the navigation pane? Or more appropriately - PAIN as you are calling it. ;) I do not see an ellipsis (...) anywhere visible. John W. Colby Colby Consulting On 10/4/2011 9:18 AM, Susan Harkins wrote: > There's a dropdown list at the top of the Navigation Pain in the... Pane. Choose Object Type. Then, > you can choose the specific type of object. > > Susan H. > > >> I am forced to use Access 2010 and so I am lost. >> >> How do I see the widget (pane?) on the left with all the tables, forms, queries etc. >> >> I am in a view where all I see are the tables, and oh my goodness, I see every damned thing >> remotely associated with every table. I so don't care about all of that stuff, though it could be >> useful at times. >> >> I just need to see a list of all my forms, or all my modules, or all my reports. >> >> Help me please. (My daughter Allie says that, in a plaintive little voice). > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Tue Oct 4 10:35:27 2011 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2011 11:35:27 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Crome and LogMeIn full screen mode In-Reply-To: <004601cc82a9$629de2a0$27d9a7e0$@winhaven.net> References: <4E8B0F6A.4090800@colbyconsulting.com> <004601cc82a9$629de2a0$27d9a7e0$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: <4E8B27BF.5060207@colbyconsulting.com> >(is it that the anti-MS sentiment is still pretty strong out there and people will put up with a lot to avoid using MS products?) Hmmm... >Firefox 7 gives me a "General Failure = Url" alert when I click on a hyperlink in Outlook. And Outlook is a Microsoft product... and it doesn't work correctly in Firefox... As for me, I believe in going with the underdog whenever the main player plays unfairly, and equally importantly when the major player does not innovate because they don't have to. That is what competition does is up the ante so everyone has to innovate. Microsoft plays unfairly. Microsoft IE sucked and they just didn't care because IE owned the market place. Suddenly Firefox gave them competition and guess what? IE is back in the game. But if we all just go back to IE what do I think will happen? Intel / AMD is the same situation, and I stay with AMD because they are "good enough" and they force the marketplace to innovate. I know people who only care about their own experience and I guess that is OK, but they get their "better experience" on the backs of me and others willing to bear the burden. <\Rant> John W. Colby Colby Consulting On 10/4/2011 11:22 AM, John Bartow wrote: > John, > I use Logmein a lot. I use it with either IE or Firefox. > > I run into a lot more problems with Firefox, Chrome, Opera than IE. Firefox > 7 gives me a "General Failure = Url" alert when I click on a hyperlink in > Outlook. > The hyperlink still opens but I have to click out of an annoying error > message each time, and that gets old. I tend to have a lot of annoying > little issues with Chrome which either other people don't run into or for > some reason overlook (is it that the anti-MS sentiment is still pretty > strong out there and people will put up with a lot to avoid using MS > products?) I just never took to using Opera or Safari much. Opera seemed to > have an update every time I opened it and Safari wasn't very good last time > I gave it a chance. Both are probably worth another look as that was over a > year ago. > > IE 9 is very fast compared to older versions. It is also a lot more robust > and secure: > http://askbobrankin.com/which_browser_is_the_most_secure.html > > I don't know if it is the fastest or the most secure but it seems to be the > least PITA for me so for now IE is default again. > John B > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby > Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2011 8:52 AM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: [AccessD] Crome and LogMeIn full screen mode > > Chrome does not work correctly with LogmeIn full screen mode. In Firefox it > causes the browser to maximize and the Windows task bar to disappear as well > as all of the firefox toolbars. In chrome something happens, i.e. the > screen moves around but the task / toolbars remain. > From marksimms at verizon.net Tue Oct 4 10:55:14 2011 From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms) Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2011 11:55:14 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Crome and LogMeIn full screen mode In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <003901cc82ae$01f9f2e0$05edd8a0$@net> > I believe IE is the only browser that works 100% with LogMeIn. > > /gustav Running fine here with FF 7.0.1 That being said, the Logmein plugin appears to crash when Logmein times-out. A refresh solves the problem....so no biggie there. Also, some GUI related things like changing the caption on command buttons are sometimes difficult to do thru Logmein. Still, I'm really impressed with the product. From accessd at shaw.ca Tue Oct 4 11:20:06 2011 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2011 09:20:06 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Crome and LogMeIn full screen mode In-Reply-To: <4E8B0F6A.4090800@colbyconsulting.com> References: <4E8B0F6A.4090800@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <06BBA64A5DD74EA1A05B936C31154E70@creativesystemdesigns.com> That is strange John. I have many of my clients on LogMeIn and have never had such a re-action. Mind you, I have not set anyone up for a month so there may be some issues with the new version. TeamViewer is another excellent product and then in a pinch you can use UltraVNC (security is poor as the password size is limited but you can get creative with connection ports). You can use RDP and even old netmeeting, which has been shipped with every Windows since 98...just like ADO. ;-) Jim -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2011 6:52 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: [AccessD] Crome and LogMeIn full screen mode Chrome does not work correctly with LogmeIn full screen mode. In Firefox it causes the browser to maximize and the Windows task bar to disappear as well as all of the firefox toolbars. In chrome something happens, i.e. the screen moves around but the task / toolbars remain. -- John W. Colby Colby Consulting -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Tue Oct 4 11:34:24 2011 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2011 09:34:24 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Crome and LogMeIn full screen mode In-Reply-To: <004601cc82a9$629de2a0$27d9a7e0$@winhaven.net> References: <4E8B0F6A.4090800@colbyconsulting.com> <004601cc82a9$629de2a0$27d9a7e0$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: >From a designing point of view, I have been finding IE9 is a lot more compatible with the W3C standards. When tweaking a site, I have been able to use add subtle changes to the CSS scripts as opposed to writing a custom one for IE products...mind you, that is if I abandon support for IE6,7 and 8 and always have the latest version of JQuery loaded. In summary IE is definitely improving. Jim -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2011 8:22 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Crome and LogMeIn full screen mode John, I use Logmein a lot. I use it with either IE or Firefox. I run into a lot more problems with Firefox, Chrome, Opera than IE. Firefox 7 gives me a "General Failure = Url" alert when I click on a hyperlink in Outlook. The hyperlink still opens but I have to click out of an annoying error message each time, and that gets old. I tend to have a lot of annoying little issues with Chrome which either other people don't run into or for some reason overlook (is it that the anti-MS sentiment is still pretty strong out there and people will put up with a lot to avoid using MS products?) I just never took to using Opera or Safari much. Opera seemed to have an update every time I opened it and Safari wasn't very good last time I gave it a chance. Both are probably worth another look as that was over a year ago. IE 9 is very fast compared to older versions. It is also a lot more robust and secure: http://askbobrankin.com/which_browser_is_the_most_secure.html I don't know if it is the fastest or the most secure but it seems to be the least PITA for me so for now IE is default again. John B -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2011 8:52 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: [AccessD] Crome and LogMeIn full screen mode Chrome does not work correctly with LogmeIn full screen mode. In Firefox it causes the browser to maximize and the Windows task bar to disappear as well as all of the firefox toolbars. In chrome something happens, i.e. the screen moves around but the task / toolbars remain. -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From BradM at blackforestltd.com Tue Oct 4 13:23:11 2011 From: BradM at blackforestltd.com (Brad Marks) Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2011 13:23:11 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] OT - John Colby - volunteer work with Prisons - Minnesota Public Radio program References: <001401cc8237$b4ac88c0$1e059a40$@com.au> Message-ID: John, On several of your posts here on AccessD, you mentioned volunteer work that you help with involving prisoners. Yesterday, I caught the tail-end of a program on Minnesota Public Radio regarding a recent study that was conducted regarding the statistics of prisoners getting into trouble again after they are released. I believe that they said that the number 1 factor of whether a prisoner breaks the law or not after being released is the number of visitors that they had while in prison. (The more visitors they had while in prison, resulted in much fewer repeat offenders). Because of the high cost of incarcerating criminals, people who visit prisoners may be saving a lot of money for tax-payers and not even be aware of this factor. I will try to see if this program is on the MPR website. If I find it, I will email the link to you. Pretty interesting. Keep up the good work! Brad From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Tue Oct 4 14:07:16 2011 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2011 15:07:16 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] From Microsoft's help for migrating outlook... Message-ID: <4E8B5964.9010407@colbyconsulting.com> Note: Windows Easy Transfer is a Windows feature that enables you to copy files and settings from one computer to another. Some Outlook users experience corrupted Outlook profiles when using Windows Easy Transfer. The steps in this article don?t use Windows Easy Transfer. ;) -- John W. Colby Colby Consulting From charlotte.foust at gmail.com Tue Oct 4 14:51:12 2011 From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust) Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2011 12:51:12 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] From Microsoft's help for migrating outlook... In-Reply-To: <4E8B5964.9010407@colbyconsulting.com> References: <4E8B5964.9010407@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: Just about says it all Charlotte Foust On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 12:07 PM, jwcolby wrote: > > Note: Windows Easy Transfer is a Windows feature that enables you to > copy files and settings from one computer to another. Some Outlook users > experience corrupted Outlook profiles when using Windows Easy Transfer. The > steps in this article don?t use Windows Easy Transfer. > > ;) > > -- > John W. Colby > Colby Consulting > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/accessd > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.**com > > > From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Tue Oct 4 15:06:30 2011 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2011 16:06:30 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] OT - John Colby - volunteer work with Prisons - Minnesota Public Radio program In-Reply-To: References: <001401cc8237$b4ac88c0$1e059a40$@com.au> Message-ID: <4E8B6746.5080100@colbyconsulting.com> Brad, > Because of the high cost of incarcerating criminals, people who visit prisoners may be saving a lot of money for tax-payers and not even be aware of this factor. I have to tell you that a certain right wing political party who happens to control politics in the state of NC is slashing all spending on inmates, anything having to do with rehabilitation, and cold bloodedly expecting volunteers to pick up the costs. They attempted to cut every single chaplain position, managed to cut 1/2 of them, and will go after the remaining positions in the next budget. Cut funding for re-entry programs which attempt to help inmates acquire the skills to exist outside of prison. Basically their attitude is that it is not the government's business to help people. PERIOD. House knocked down by a tornado? Not My Problem. Floods in the northeast? NMP. Oil spill killing the gulf? NMP. Inmates handed $45 when they get out and pointed at the nearest store to rob? NMP. Well... unless I own the store of course... let me check... Nope, not my store, NMP. Unfortunately it is no longer the people's job to help people either. Well, I'm white so maybe I'll help the white folk. But not right now because there's a college football game on... Sigh. I take care of myself and my family. Maaaaaybe my mom, if she was nice to me and will put me in her will. Beyond that, if you are starving and have to die, please do so somewhere where I do not have to clean up the mess. Because of course it is not the government's business to clean up dead people either (and I ain't gonna do it!). ;) I can hear the snickers hitting poor John's inbox, ping, ping, ping... Oddly, the sound does my heart good! :):):) In the meantime, in about 2 hours I will be headed to the prison, because it is my problem. A self imposed problem perhaps, but mine none the less. ping, ping, ping. :) :) John W. Colby Colby Consulting On 10/4/2011 2:23 PM, Brad Marks wrote: > John, > > On several of your posts here on AccessD, you mentioned volunteer work > that you help with involving prisoners. > > Yesterday, I caught the tail-end of a program on Minnesota Public Radio > regarding a recent study that was conducted regarding the statistics of > prisoners getting into trouble again after they are released. I believe > that they said that the number 1 factor of whether a prisoner breaks the > law or not after being released is the number of visitors that they had > while in prison. (The more visitors they had while in prison, resulted > in much fewer repeat offenders). > > Because of the high cost of incarcerating criminals, people who visit > prisoners may be saving a lot of money for tax-payers and not even be > aware of this factor. > > I will try to see if this program is on the MPR website. If I find it, > I will email the link to you. Pretty interesting. > > Keep up the good work! > > Brad > > From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Tue Oct 4 15:09:54 2011 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2011 16:09:54 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] From Microsoft's help for migrating outlook... In-Reply-To: References: <4E8B5964.9010407@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <4E8B6812.2040909@colbyconsulting.com> > Just about says it all LOL, yea it does. This is one of the reasons I moved from Outlook to Thunderbird, MozBackup actually does all of this for you. And it just works. John W. Colby Colby Consulting On 10/4/2011 3:51 PM, Charlotte Foust wrote: > Just about says it all > Charlotte Foust > On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 12:07 PM, jwcolbywrote: > >> >> Note: Windows Easy Transfer is a Windows feature that enables you to >> copy files and settings from one computer to another. Some Outlook users >> experience corrupted Outlook profiles when using Windows Easy Transfer. The >> steps in this article don?t use Windows Easy Transfer. >> >> ;) >> >> -- >> John W. Colby >> Colby Consulting >> -- >> AccessD mailing list >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/accessd >> >> >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.**com >> >> >> From jimdettman at verizon.net Tue Oct 4 15:46:51 2011 From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman) Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2011 16:46:51 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] From Microsoft's help for migrating outlook... In-Reply-To: <4E8B5964.9010407@colbyconsulting.com> References: <4E8B5964.9010407@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <81D08DAA7470403986167BB2CA8D4359@XPS> DCOM can get seriously messed up as well. Jim. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2011 03:07 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: [AccessD] From Microsoft's help for migrating outlook... Note: Windows Easy Transfer is a Windows feature that enables you to copy files and settings from one computer to another. Some Outlook users experience corrupted Outlook profiles when using Windows Easy Transfer. The steps in this article don't use Windows Easy Transfer. ;) -- John W. Colby Colby Consulting -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From tinanfields at torchlake.com Tue Oct 4 15:47:17 2011 From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields) Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2011 16:47:17 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] OT - John Colby - volunteer work with Prisons -Minnesota Public Radio program In-Reply-To: <4E8B6746.5080100@colbyconsulting.com> References: <001401cc8237$b4ac88c0$1e059a40$@com.au> <4E8B6746.5080100@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <4E8B70D5.4060207@torchlake.com> John, I support what you are doing. It IS our problem! We DO have to help! We really are all in this together and we don't have another planet to move to. Keep on keeping on! T Tina Norris Fields tinanfields at torchlake.com 231-322-2787 On 10/4/2011 4:06 PM, jwcolby wrote: > Brad, > > > Because of the high cost of incarcerating criminals, people who > visit prisoners may be saving a lot of money for tax-payers and not > even be aware of this factor. > > I have to tell you that a certain right wing political party who > happens to control politics in the state of NC is slashing all > spending on inmates, anything having to do with rehabilitation, and > cold bloodedly expecting volunteers to pick up the costs. They > attempted to cut every single chaplain position, managed to cut 1/2 of > them, and will go after the remaining positions in the next budget. > Cut funding for re-entry programs which attempt to help inmates > acquire the skills to exist outside of prison. > > Basically their attitude is that it is not the government's business > to help people. PERIOD. > > House knocked down by a tornado? Not My Problem. Floods in the > northeast? NMP. Oil spill killing the gulf? NMP. Inmates handed > $45 when they get out and pointed at the nearest store to rob? NMP. > Well... unless I own the store of course... let me check... Nope, > not my store, NMP. > > Unfortunately it is no longer the people's job to help people either. > Well, I'm white so maybe I'll help the white folk. But not right now > because there's a college football game on... > > Sigh. > > I take care of myself and my family. Maaaaaybe my mom, if she was > nice to me and will put me in her will. Beyond that, if you are > starving and have to die, please do so somewhere where I do not have > to clean up the mess. Because of course it is not the government's > business to clean up dead people either (and I ain't gonna do it!). ;) > > I can hear the snickers hitting poor John's inbox, ping, ping, > ping... Oddly, the sound does my heart good! :):):) > > In the meantime, in about 2 hours I will be headed to the prison, > because it is my problem. A self imposed problem perhaps, but mine > none the less. > > ping, ping, ping. :) > > :) > > John W. Colby > Colby Consulting > > On 10/4/2011 2:23 PM, Brad Marks wrote: >> John, >> >> On several of your posts here on AccessD, you mentioned volunteer work >> that you help with involving prisoners. >> >> Yesterday, I caught the tail-end of a program on Minnesota Public Radio >> regarding a recent study that was conducted regarding the statistics of >> prisoners getting into trouble again after they are released. I believe >> that they said that the number 1 factor of whether a prisoner breaks the >> law or not after being released is the number of visitors that they had >> while in prison. (The more visitors they had while in prison, resulted >> in much fewer repeat offenders). >> >> Because of the high cost of incarcerating criminals, people who visit >> prisoners may be saving a lot of money for tax-payers and not even be >> aware of this factor. >> >> I will try to see if this program is on the MPR website. If I find it, >> I will email the link to you. Pretty interesting. >> >> Keep up the good work! >> >> Brad >> >> From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Tue Oct 4 15:52:10 2011 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2011 16:52:10 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] OT - John Colby - volunteer work with Prisons -Minnesota Public Radio program In-Reply-To: <4E8B70D5.4060207@torchlake.com> References: <001401cc8237$b4ac88c0$1e059a40$@com.au> <4E8B6746.5080100@colbyconsulting.com> <4E8B70D5.4060207@torchlake.com> Message-ID: <4E8B71FA.3040604@colbyconsulting.com> :) Nothing whatsoever to do with my attitude today but I watched Wall-e with my son last night. What a cute movie! John W. Colby Colby Consulting On 10/4/2011 4:47 PM, Tina Norris Fields wrote: > John, > I support what you are doing. It IS our problem! We DO have to help! We really are all in this > together and we don't have another planet to move to. > Keep on keeping on! > T > > Tina Norris Fields > tinanfields at torchlake.com > 231-322-2787 > > > On 10/4/2011 4:06 PM, jwcolby wrote: >> Brad, >> >> > Because of the high cost of incarcerating criminals, people who visit prisoners may be saving a >> lot of money for tax-payers and not even be aware of this factor. >> >> I have to tell you that a certain right wing political party who happens to control politics in >> the state of NC is slashing all spending on inmates, anything having to do with rehabilitation, >> and cold bloodedly expecting volunteers to pick up the costs. They attempted to cut every single >> chaplain position, managed to cut 1/2 of them, and will go after the remaining positions in the >> next budget. Cut funding for re-entry programs which attempt to help inmates acquire the skills to >> exist outside of prison. >> >> Basically their attitude is that it is not the government's business to help people. PERIOD. >> >> House knocked down by a tornado? Not My Problem. Floods in the northeast? NMP. Oil spill killing >> the gulf? NMP. Inmates handed $45 when they get out and pointed at the nearest store to rob? NMP. >> Well... unless I own the store of course... let me check... Nope, not my store, NMP. >> >> Unfortunately it is no longer the people's job to help people either. Well, I'm white so maybe >> I'll help the white folk. But not right now because there's a college football game on... >> >> Sigh. >> >> I take care of myself and my family. Maaaaaybe my mom, if she was nice to me and will put me in >> her will. Beyond that, if you are starving and have to die, please do so somewhere where I do not >> have to clean up the mess. Because of course it is not the government's business to clean up dead >> people either (and I ain't gonna do it!). ;) >> >> I can hear the snickers hitting poor John's inbox, ping, ping, ping... Oddly, the sound does my >> heart good! :):):) >> >> In the meantime, in about 2 hours I will be headed to the prison, because it is my problem. A self >> imposed problem perhaps, but mine none the less. >> >> ping, ping, ping. :) >> >> :) >> >> John W. Colby >> Colby Consulting >> >> On 10/4/2011 2:23 PM, Brad Marks wrote: >>> John, >>> >>> On several of your posts here on AccessD, you mentioned volunteer work >>> that you help with involving prisoners. >>> >>> Yesterday, I caught the tail-end of a program on Minnesota Public Radio >>> regarding a recent study that was conducted regarding the statistics of >>> prisoners getting into trouble again after they are released. I believe >>> that they said that the number 1 factor of whether a prisoner breaks the >>> law or not after being released is the number of visitors that they had >>> while in prison. (The more visitors they had while in prison, resulted >>> in much fewer repeat offenders). >>> >>> Because of the high cost of incarcerating criminals, people who visit >>> prisoners may be saving a lot of money for tax-payers and not even be >>> aware of this factor. >>> >>> I will try to see if this program is on the MPR website. If I find it, >>> I will email the link to you. Pretty interesting. >>> >>> Keep up the good work! >>> >>> Brad >>> >>> From df.waters at comcast.net Tue Oct 4 16:17:09 2011 From: df.waters at comcast.net (Dan Waters) Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2011 16:17:09 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] OT - John Colby - volunteer work with Prisons - Minnesota Public Radio program In-Reply-To: <4E8B6746.5080100@colbyconsulting.com> References: <001401cc8237$b4ac88c0$1e059a40$@com.au> <4E8B6746.5080100@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <001501cc82da$fa541e80$eefc5b80$@comcast.net> John- some of this will change in the next election. Unfortunately, too many people need to learn things the hard way. And learning that voting carefully, not emotionally, is actually important. Politics is not a reality TV show - it's real people really getting hurt. Dan -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2011 3:07 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT - John Colby - volunteer work with Prisons - Minnesota Public Radio program Brad, > Because of the high cost of incarcerating criminals, people who visit prisoners may be saving a lot of money for tax-payers and not even be aware of this factor. I have to tell you that a certain right wing political party who happens to control politics in the state of NC is slashing all spending on inmates, anything having to do with rehabilitation, and cold bloodedly expecting volunteers to pick up the costs. They attempted to cut every single chaplain position, managed to cut 1/2 of them, and will go after the remaining positions in the next budget. Cut funding for re-entry programs which attempt to help inmates acquire the skills to exist outside of prison. Basically their attitude is that it is not the government's business to help people. PERIOD. House knocked down by a tornado? Not My Problem. Floods in the northeast? NMP. Oil spill killing the gulf? NMP. Inmates handed $45 when they get out and pointed at the nearest store to rob? NMP. Well... unless I own the store of course... let me check... Nope, not my store, NMP. Unfortunately it is no longer the people's job to help people either. Well, I'm white so maybe I'll help the white folk. But not right now because there's a college football game on... Sigh. I take care of myself and my family. Maaaaaybe my mom, if she was nice to me and will put me in her will. Beyond that, if you are starving and have to die, please do so somewhere where I do not have to clean up the mess. Because of course it is not the government's business to clean up dead people either (and I ain't gonna do it!). ;) I can hear the snickers hitting poor John's inbox, ping, ping, ping... Oddly, the sound does my heart good! :):):) In the meantime, in about 2 hours I will be headed to the prison, because it is my problem. A self imposed problem perhaps, but mine none the less. ping, ping, ping. :) :) John W. Colby Colby Consulting On 10/4/2011 2:23 PM, Brad Marks wrote: > John, > > On several of your posts here on AccessD, you mentioned volunteer work > that you help with involving prisoners. > > Yesterday, I caught the tail-end of a program on Minnesota Public > Radio regarding a recent study that was conducted regarding the > statistics of prisoners getting into trouble again after they are > released. I believe that they said that the number 1 factor of > whether a prisoner breaks the law or not after being released is the > number of visitors that they had while in prison. (The more visitors > they had while in prison, resulted in much fewer repeat offenders). > > Because of the high cost of incarcerating criminals, people who visit > prisoners may be saving a lot of money for tax-payers and not even be > aware of this factor. > > I will try to see if this program is on the MPR website. If I find > it, I will email the link to you. Pretty interesting. > > Keep up the good work! > > Brad > > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au Tue Oct 4 17:18:25 2011 From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins) Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2011 09:18:25 +1100 Subject: [AccessD] Access 2010 how to In-Reply-To: <4E8B0657.7040500@colbyconsulting.com> References: <4E8B0657.7040500@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <000901cc82e3$89b37b90$9d1a72b0$@com.au> Good Luck John, I have been using it for a while now and there are still many 'features' I loathe, although a couple of other things are a big improvement. That said the Nav Pain needs to be completely scrapped and redesigned from scratch. What a stupid idea that was! Cheers Darryl -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: Wednesday, 5 October 2011 12:13 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: [AccessD] Access 2010 how to I am forced to use Access 2010 and so I am lost. How do I see the widget (pane?) on the left with all the tables, forms, queries etc. I am in a view where all I see are the tables, and oh my goodness, I see every damned thing remotely associated with every table. I so don't care about all of that stuff, though it could be useful at times. I just need to see a list of all my forms, or all my modules, or all my reports. Help me please. (My daughter Allie says that, in a plaintive little voice). -- John W. Colby Colby Consulting -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au Tue Oct 4 17:23:15 2011 From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins) Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2011 09:23:15 +1100 Subject: [AccessD] Access 2010 how to In-Reply-To: <20111005002317.gePF1h00j0xgD8Z01ePHXd@bne3-0003mz.server-mail.com> References: <4E8B0657.7040500@colbyconsulting.com> <20111005002317.gePF1h00j0xgD8Z01ePHXd@bne3-0003mz.server-mail.com> Message-ID: <000a01cc82e4$363e51f0$a2baf5d0$@com.au> " It's very obvious there was very little beta testing of this product by developers." Now this is one of the finest summations of Access 2007/2010 I have read. You are totally correct, the product often looks, acts and feels like it is still a beta version. If you are just using Access as a giant spreadsheet it is generally ok, but actually developing stuff on it is another story - at least that has been my experience. The Nav Pane is a giant leap backwards - sure it has some new functionality, but those feature could have been added to the older style layout which is far more useful to use. Cheers Darryl. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Simms Sent: Wednesday, 5 October 2011 1:20 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access 2010 how to > I am forced to use Access 2010 Someone put a gun to your head ? ;) That being said, it sure is great for end-users, But because they modified VBA, the bugs are numerous and nasty. With SP1, you've got to decompile your VBA project daily....sometimes more. It's very obvious there was very little beta testing of this product by developers. -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au Tue Oct 4 17:24:48 2011 From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins) Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2011 09:24:48 +1100 Subject: [AccessD] Crome and LogMeIn full screen mode In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000b01cc82e4$6dade8d0$4909ba70$@com.au> I use LogMeIn and Firefox without bother all the time. You need the special addin to make it work, but FF and LMI detects it is missing and prompts you to load it. Never had any issue with FF and LMI running together. I have not tried it on LMI Pro though - maybe that makes a difference? -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: Wednesday, 5 October 2011 1:26 AM To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [AccessD] Crome and LogMeIn full screen mode Hi John No, sorry, because I don't use Firefox. I use IE mostly and Chrome for some. Firefox, Safari, and Opera I never touch except for tests with Visual Studio. /gustav >>> jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com 04-10-2011 16:15 >>> I have been using Firefox exclusively for several years. Do you know what IE gives me that Firefox does not? I just gave up on IE back when it sucked so badly and Firefox gave me an alternative, and have never returned. John W. Colby Colby Consulting On 10/4/2011 10:09 AM, Gustav Brock wrote: > Hi John > > I believe IE is the only browser that works 100% with LogMeIn. > > /gustav > >>>> jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com 04-10-2011 15:51>>> > Chrome does not work correctly with LogmeIn full screen mode. In Firefox it causes the browser to > maximize and the Windows task bar to disappear as well as all of the firefox toolbars. In chrome > something happens, i.e. the screen moves around but the task / toolbars remain. -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Tue Oct 4 17:32:48 2011 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2011 18:32:48 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Crome and LogMeIn full screen mode In-Reply-To: <000b01cc82e4$6dade8d0$4909ba70$@com.au> References: <000b01cc82e4$6dade8d0$4909ba70$@com.au> Message-ID: <4E8B8990.306@colbyconsulting.com> > I use LogMeIn and Firefox without bother all the time. You need the special addin to make it work, but FF and LMI detects it is missing and prompts you to load it. As do I. It seems to work just fine. John W. Colby Colby Consulting On 10/4/2011 6:24 PM, Darryl Collins wrote: > I use LogMeIn and Firefox without bother all the time. You need the special > addin to make it work, but FF and LMI detects it is missing and prompts you > to load it. Never had any issue with FF and LMI running together. I have > not tried it on LMI Pro though - maybe that makes a difference? > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock > Sent: Wednesday, 5 October 2011 1:26 AM > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Crome and LogMeIn full screen mode > > Hi John > > No, sorry, because I don't use Firefox. > I use IE mostly and Chrome for some. Firefox, Safari, and Opera I never > touch except for tests with Visual Studio. > > /gustav > > >>>> jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com 04-10-2011 16:15>>> > I have been using Firefox exclusively for several years. Do you know what > IE gives me that Firefox > does not? I just gave up on IE back when it sucked so badly and Firefox > gave me an alternative, and > have never returned. > > John W. Colby > Colby Consulting > > On 10/4/2011 10:09 AM, Gustav Brock wrote: >> Hi John >> >> I believe IE is the only browser that works 100% with LogMeIn. >> >> /gustav >> >>>>> jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com 04-10-2011 15:51>>> >> Chrome does not work correctly with LogmeIn full screen mode. In Firefox > it causes the browser to >> maximize and the Windows task bar to disappear as well as all of the > firefox toolbars. In chrome >> something happens, i.e. the screen moves around but the task / toolbars > remain. > > From marksimms at verizon.net Tue Oct 4 17:56:27 2011 From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms) Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2011 18:56:27 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Crome and LogMeIn full screen mode In-Reply-To: <000b01cc82e4$6dade8d0$4909ba70$@com.au> References: <000b01cc82e4$6dade8d0$4909ba70$@com.au> Message-ID: <008901cc82e8$d9bf7ad0$8d3e7070$@net> Maybe. I am running the pro edition to get the file manager feature. > not tried it on LMI Pro though - maybe that makes a difference? > From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Tue Oct 4 20:51:48 2011 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2011 21:51:48 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Access 2010 how to In-Reply-To: <000901cc82e3$89b37b90$9d1a72b0$@com.au> References: <4E8B0657.7040500@colbyconsulting.com> <000901cc82e3$89b37b90$9d1a72b0$@com.au> Message-ID: <4E8BB834.2080603@colbyconsulting.com> As it turns out it uninstalled nicely. And my billing program worked flawlessly (in 2003) after it was gone. I'm happy again. John W. Colby Colby Consulting On 10/4/2011 6:18 PM, Darryl Collins wrote: > Good Luck John, > > I have been using it for a while now and there are still many 'features' I > loathe, although a couple of other things are a big improvement. That said > the Nav Pain needs to be completely scrapped and redesigned from scratch. > What a stupid idea that was! > > Cheers > Darryl > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby > Sent: Wednesday, 5 October 2011 12:13 AM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: [AccessD] Access 2010 how to > > I am forced to use Access 2010 and so I am lost. > > How do I see the widget (pane?) on the left with all the tables, forms, > queries etc. > > I am in a view where all I see are the tables, and oh my goodness, I see > every damned thing remotely > associated with every table. I so don't care about all of that stuff, > though it could be useful at > times. > > I just need to see a list of all my forms, or all my modules, or all my > reports. > > Help me please. (My daughter Allie says that, in a plaintive little voice). > From accessd at shaw.ca Wed Oct 5 03:46:53 2011 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2011 01:46:53 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] OT - John Colby - volunteer work with Prisons - Minnesota Public Radio program In-Reply-To: <4E8B6746.5080100@colbyconsulting.com> References: <001401cc8237$b4ac88c0$1e059a40$@com.au> <4E8B6746.5080100@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: You are a good man John. Jim -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2011 1:07 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT - John Colby - volunteer work with Prisons - Minnesota Public Radio program Brad, > Because of the high cost of incarcerating criminals, people who visit prisoners may be saving a lot of money for tax-payers and not even be aware of this factor. I have to tell you that a certain right wing political party who happens to control politics in the state of NC is slashing all spending on inmates, anything having to do with rehabilitation, and cold bloodedly expecting volunteers to pick up the costs. They attempted to cut every single chaplain position, managed to cut 1/2 of them, and will go after the remaining positions in the next budget. Cut funding for re-entry programs which attempt to help inmates acquire the skills to exist outside of prison. Basically their attitude is that it is not the government's business to help people. PERIOD. House knocked down by a tornado? Not My Problem. Floods in the northeast? NMP. Oil spill killing the gulf? NMP. Inmates handed $45 when they get out and pointed at the nearest store to rob? NMP. Well... unless I own the store of course... let me check... Nope, not my store, NMP. Unfortunately it is no longer the people's job to help people either. Well, I'm white so maybe I'll help the white folk. But not right now because there's a college football game on... Sigh. I take care of myself and my family. Maaaaaybe my mom, if she was nice to me and will put me in her will. Beyond that, if you are starving and have to die, please do so somewhere where I do not have to clean up the mess. Because of course it is not the government's business to clean up dead people either (and I ain't gonna do it!). ;) I can hear the snickers hitting poor John's inbox, ping, ping, ping... Oddly, the sound does my heart good! :):):) In the meantime, in about 2 hours I will be headed to the prison, because it is my problem. A self imposed problem perhaps, but mine none the less. ping, ping, ping. :) :) John W. Colby Colby Consulting On 10/4/2011 2:23 PM, Brad Marks wrote: > John, > > On several of your posts here on AccessD, you mentioned volunteer work > that you help with involving prisoners. > > Yesterday, I caught the tail-end of a program on Minnesota Public Radio > regarding a recent study that was conducted regarding the statistics of > prisoners getting into trouble again after they are released. I believe > that they said that the number 1 factor of whether a prisoner breaks the > law or not after being released is the number of visitors that they had > while in prison. (The more visitors they had while in prison, resulted > in much fewer repeat offenders). > > Because of the high cost of incarcerating criminals, people who visit > prisoners may be saving a lot of money for tax-payers and not even be > aware of this factor. > > I will try to see if this program is on the MPR website. If I find it, > I will email the link to you. Pretty interesting. > > Keep up the good work! > > Brad > > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Lambert.Heenan at chartisinsurance.com Wed Oct 5 08:35:21 2011 From: Lambert.Heenan at chartisinsurance.com (Heenan, Lambert) Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2011 09:35:21 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] OT - John Colby - volunteer work with Prisons - Minnesota Public Radio program In-Reply-To: <4E8B6746.5080100@colbyconsulting.com> References: <001401cc8237$b4ac88c0$1e059a40$@com.au> <4E8B6746.5080100@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: This is one ping from me John that says you are 110% correct. The rethuglicans only want more money for their business backers. OT I know, but heck it needs to be said on every available occasion. A "middle class" vote for the GOP is a shot in the voter's own foot. Lambert -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2011 4:07 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT - John Colby - volunteer work with Prisons - Minnesota Public Radio program Brad, > Because of the high cost of incarcerating criminals, people who visit prisoners may be saving a lot of money for tax-payers and not even be aware of this factor. I have to tell you that a certain right wing political party who happens to control politics in the state of NC is slashing all spending on inmates, anything having to do with rehabilitation, and cold bloodedly expecting volunteers to pick up the costs. They attempted to cut every single chaplain position, managed to cut 1/2 of them, and will go after the remaining positions in the next budget. Cut funding for re-entry programs which attempt to help inmates acquire the skills to exist outside of prison. Basically their attitude is that it is not the government's business to help people. PERIOD. House knocked down by a tornado? Not My Problem. Floods in the northeast? NMP. Oil spill killing the gulf? NMP. Inmates handed $45 when they get out and pointed at the nearest store to rob? NMP. Well... unless I own the store of course... let me check... Nope, not my store, NMP. Unfortunately it is no longer the people's job to help people either. Well, I'm white so maybe I'll help the white folk. But not right now because there's a college football game on... Sigh. I take care of myself and my family. Maaaaaybe my mom, if she was nice to me and will put me in her will. Beyond that, if you are starving and have to die, please do so somewhere where I do not have to clean up the mess. Because of course it is not the government's business to clean up dead people either (and I ain't gonna do it!). ;) I can hear the snickers hitting poor John's inbox, ping, ping, ping... Oddly, the sound does my heart good! :):):) In the meantime, in about 2 hours I will be headed to the prison, because it is my problem. A self imposed problem perhaps, but mine none the less. ping, ping, ping. :) :) John W. Colby Colby Consulting On 10/4/2011 2:23 PM, Brad Marks wrote: > John, > > On several of your posts here on AccessD, you mentioned volunteer work > that you help with involving prisoners. > > Yesterday, I caught the tail-end of a program on Minnesota Public > Radio regarding a recent study that was conducted regarding the > statistics of prisoners getting into trouble again after they are > released. I believe that they said that the number 1 factor of > whether a prisoner breaks the law or not after being released is the > number of visitors that they had while in prison. (The more visitors > they had while in prison, resulted in much fewer repeat offenders). > > Because of the high cost of incarcerating criminals, people who visit > prisoners may be saving a lot of money for tax-payers and not even be > aware of this factor. > > I will try to see if this program is on the MPR website. If I find > it, I will email the link to you. Pretty interesting. > > Keep up the good work! > > Brad > > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Wed Oct 5 09:36:41 2011 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2011 10:36:41 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] OT - John Colby - volunteer work with Prisons - Minnesota Public Radio program In-Reply-To: <001501cc82da$fa541e80$eefc5b80$@comcast.net> References: <001401cc8237$b4ac88c0$1e059a40$@com.au> <4E8B6746.5080100@colbyconsulting.com> <001501cc82da$fa541e80$eefc5b80$@comcast.net> Message-ID: <4E8C6B79.4050203@colbyconsulting.com> Dan, Sadly politics is broken, not just in the US but around the world. I did an 8 month training, one full weekend a month to learn to be an advocate for people with disabilities. My daughter Allie has many disabilities caused by a genetic duplication. One of the weekends was dedicated to educating us on the political system, what special interests means, lobbying and so forth. Elections are won with advertising, advertising costs money, and companies (mostly) have money. But in the end it all comes down to people. Everyone believes what they believe, are (have been) convinced of the "truth" of their belief system. Republicans really do believe that government has no business being in the "help" business, that it is the job of the people to help each other. Democrats believe the opposite. People have become jaded and believe that nobody cares any more and so stop caring themselves. Ignoring the names of the political parties, this is not an American problem it is a world problem, which occurs any time there are so many people that we no longer know our neighbors. I don't mean "know their face" I mean "get to know" our neighbors. What we were shown in that weekend is that the primary job of a politician is to get re-elected. The politician him/herself has a belief system but unless (s)he can get (re)elected (s)he cannot implement the belief system. Once elected, there are so many conflicting interests that (s)he cannot really function effectively. The system truly is broken, and probably always has been. The only hope for mankind is for us to realize that we all stand together or we all fall alone. People have to individually make an effort to help others less fortunate than ourselves. Which is a lot of work, and there is a college football game on... and after that is Dancing with the Stars... and besides, what difference can I really make? :) John W. Colby Colby Consulting On 10/4/2011 5:17 PM, Dan Waters wrote: > John- some of this will change in the next election. Unfortunately, too > many people need to learn things the hard way. And learning that voting > carefully, not emotionally, is actually important. Politics is not a > reality TV show - it's real people really getting hurt. > > Dan From fuller.artful at gmail.com Wed Oct 5 10:10:51 2011 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2011 11:10:51 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] OT - John Colby - volunteer work with Prisons - Minnesota Public Radio program In-Reply-To: <4E8C6B79.4050203@colbyconsulting.com> References: <001401cc8237$b4ac88c0$1e059a40$@com.au> <4E8B6746.5080100@colbyconsulting.com> <001501cc82da$fa541e80$eefc5b80$@comcast.net> <4E8C6B79.4050203@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: I think that you are onto something here, JWC. And I am seriously unsure of the consequences that I draw, but here they are: 1. Political parties of whatever stripe are by definition attacks on popular opinion. I don't see any other way to see this. Let us for example take a hypothetical voter who is against abortion and also against religious instruction in public schools. No party represents this theoretical person. The inevitable result is that I choose the party that shares the most number of values and propositions with me, and that SUCKS. Tomorrow is Election Day in Ontario, and various polls indicate that either the Libs or the Cons are slated to have a minority win, and in either case that means that my party, the NDP, is going to hold the balance of power. On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 10:36 AM, jwcolby wrote: > Dan, > > Sadly politics is broken, not just in the US but around the world. > > I did an 8 month training, one full weekend a month to learn to be an > advocate for people with disabilities. My daughter Allie has many > disabilities caused by a genetic duplication. One of the weekends was > dedicated to educating us on the political system, what special interests > means, lobbying and so forth. > > Elections are won with advertising, advertising costs money, and companies > (mostly) have money. But in the end it all comes down to people. Everyone > believes what they believe, are (have been) convinced of the "truth" of > their belief system. > > Republicans really do believe that government has no business being in the > "help" business, that it is the job of the people to help each other. > Democrats believe the opposite. People have become jaded and believe that > nobody cares any more and so stop caring themselves. > > Ignoring the names of the political parties, this is not an American > problem it is a world problem, which occurs any time there are so many > people that we no longer know our neighbors. I don't mean "know their face" > I mean "get to know" our neighbors. > > What we were shown in that weekend is that the primary job of a politician > is to get re-elected. The politician him/herself has a belief system but > unless (s)he can get (re)elected (s)he cannot implement the belief system. > Once elected, there are so many conflicting interests that (s)he cannot > really function effectively. > > The system truly is broken, and probably always has been. > > The only hope for mankind is for us to realize that we all stand together > or we all fall alone. People have to individually make an effort to help > others less fortunate than ourselves. Which is a lot of work, and there is > a college football game on... and after that is Dancing with the Stars... > and besides, what difference can I really make? > > > :) > > > John W. Colby > Colby Consulting > > On 10/4/2011 5:17 PM, Dan Waters wrote: > >> John- some of this will change in the next election. Unfortunately, too >> many people need to learn things the hard way. And learning that voting >> carefully, not emotionally, is actually important. Politics is not a >> reality TV show - it's real people really getting hurt. >> >> Dan >> > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.**com > From john at winhaven.net Wed Oct 5 14:13:04 2011 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2011 14:13:04 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] FW: The passing of Drew Wutka In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <00c601cc8392$cfc8a9c0$6f59fd40$@winhaven.net> Hello All, I have some sad news to share with you all. Long time lister and friend to many, Drew Wutka, passed away Monday. His friend, Ken, contacted me and a number of other board members to share this news with us because he knew that Drew participated on the DBA lists as he spoke of it often. A coworker walked by Drew's office he saw that he had his head on his desk and went in to check on him. The coworker found that he and no pulse. The paramedics were called and he was taken to the hospital where he was pronounced dead upon arrival. Ken will keep me apprised of the situation and I will pass it on to everyone as soon as he shares any further information. My deepest condolences to all of Drew's family and friends. John Bartow, President Database Advisors, Inc. Office: 920-582-7574 Mobile: 920-410-7574 From jackandpat.d at gmail.com Wed Oct 5 14:20:24 2011 From: jackandpat.d at gmail.com (jack drawbridge) Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2011 15:20:24 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] FW: The passing of Drew Wutka In-Reply-To: <00c601cc8392$cfc8a9c0$6f59fd40$@winhaven.net> References: <00c601cc8392$cfc8a9c0$6f59fd40$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: Sad news indeed. He will be missed. You could always count on Drew for another opinion/view. RIP. On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 3:13 PM, John Bartow wrote: > Hello All, > > I have some sad news to share with you all. > > > > Long time lister and friend to many, Drew Wutka, passed away Monday. > > > > His friend, Ken, contacted me and a number of other board members to share > this news with us because he knew that Drew participated on the DBA lists > as > he spoke of it often. > > > > A coworker walked by Drew's office he saw that he had his head on his desk > and went in to check on him. The coworker found that he and no pulse. The > paramedics were called and he was taken to the hospital where he was > pronounced dead upon arrival. > > > > Ken will keep me apprised of the situation and I will pass it on to > everyone > as soon as he shares any further information. > > > > My deepest condolences to all of Drew's family and friends. > > > > John Bartow, President > > Database Advisors, Inc. > > Office: 920-582-7574 > > Mobile: 920-410-7574 > > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From john at winhaven.net Wed Oct 5 14:05:41 2011 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2011 14:05:41 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] FW: The passing of Drew Wutka In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <006c01cc8391$c72acfb0$55806f10$@winhaven.net> Hello All, I have some sad news to share with you all. Long time lister and friend to many, Drew Wutka, passed away Monday. His friend, Ken, contacted me and a number of other board members to share this news with us because he knew that Drew participated on the DBA lists as he spoke of it often. A coworker walked by Drew's office he saw that he had his head on his desk and went in to check on him. The coworker found that he and no pulse. The paramedics were called and he was taken to the hospital where he was pronounced dead upon arrival. Ken will keep me apprised of the situation and I will pass it on to everyone as soon as he shares any further information. My deepest condolences to all of Drew's family and friends. John Bartow, President Database Advisors, Inc. Office: 920-582-7574 Mobile: 920-410-7574 From andy at minstersystems.co.uk Wed Oct 5 14:53:49 2011 From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey) Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2011 20:53:49 +0100 Subject: [AccessD] FW: The passing of Drew Wutka In-Reply-To: <00c601cc8392$cfc8a9c0$6f59fd40$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: That's terrible news John, but thanks for letting us know. What a shock. He'll be very sadly missed. Andy -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow Sent: 05 October 2011 20:13 To: DBA-Access Subject: [AccessD] FW: The passing of Drew Wutka Hello All, I have some sad news to share with you all. Long time lister and friend to many, Drew Wutka, passed away Monday. His friend, Ken, contacted me and a number of other board members to share this news with us because he knew that Drew participated on the DBA lists as he spoke of it often. A coworker walked by Drew's office he saw that he had his head on his desk and went in to check on him. The coworker found that he and no pulse. The paramedics were called and he was taken to the hospital where he was pronounced dead upon arrival. Ken will keep me apprised of the situation and I will pass it on to everyone as soon as he shares any further information. My deepest condolences to all of Drew's family and friends. John Bartow, President Database Advisors, Inc. Office: 920-582-7574 Mobile: 920-410-7574 -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk Wed Oct 5 15:17:56 2011 From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid) Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2011 21:17:56 +0100 Subject: [AccessD] FW: The passing of Drew Wutka Message-ID: <631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB082956A302CE159@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk> That's sad to hear. I would lime to send something to his family if we get details. Martin Sent from my Windows Phone ________________________________ From: John Bartow Sent: 05/10/2011 20:15 To: DBA-Access Subject: [AccessD] FW: The passing of Drew Wutka Hello All, I have some sad news to share with you all. Long time lister and friend to many, Drew Wutka, passed away Monday. His friend, Ken, contacted me and a number of other board members to share this news with us because he knew that Drew participated on the DBA lists as he spoke of it often. A coworker walked by Drew's office he saw that he had his head on his desk and went in to check on him. The coworker found that he and no pulse. The paramedics were called and he was taken to the hospital where he was pronounced dead upon arrival. Ken will keep me apprised of the situation and I will pass it on to everyone as soon as he shares any further information. My deepest condolences to all of Drew's family and friends. John Bartow, President Database Advisors, Inc. Office: 920-582-7574 Mobile: 920-410-7574 -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Wed Oct 5 15:28:03 2011 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2011 16:28:03 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] [dba-SQLServer] FW: The passing of Drew Wutka In-Reply-To: <010c01cc8396$44b530c0$ce1f9240$@winhaven.net> References: <00ab01cc8392$cec73f50$6c55bdf0$@winhaven.net> <010c01cc8396$44b530c0$ce1f9240$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: <4E8CBDD3.900@colbyconsulting.com> Man that will take your breath away. Drew was essentially one of our founding members. DatabaseAdvisors needs to formally express out condolences to the family. This is a sad day. John W. Colby Colby Consulting On 10/5/2011 3:37 PM, John Bartow wrote: > Ken will be keeping me apprised of any further info including next of kin. > I'll pass along anything I receive. > > Drew's daughter is only 12 so I'm sure we need to be careful on how we > communicate on this. > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve > Erbach > Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2011 2:19 PM > To: Discussion concerning MS SQL Server > Subject: Re: [dba-SQLServer] FW: The passing of Drew Wutka > > John, > > Do you have contact info for his next of kin? > > Regards, > > Steve Erbach > Neenah, WI > > On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 2:13 PM, John Bartow wrote: > >> Hello All, >> >> I have some sad news to share with you all. >> >> >> >> Long time lister and friend to many, Drew Wutka, passed away Monday. >> >> >> >> His friend, Ken, contacted me and a number of other board members to >> share this news with us because he knew that Drew participated on the >> DBA lists as he spoke of it often. >> >> >> >> A coworker walked by Drew's office he saw that he had his head on his >> desk and went in to check on him. The coworker found that he and no >> pulse. The paramedics were called and he was taken to the hospital >> where he was pronounced dead upon arrival. >> >> >> >> Ken will keep me apprised of the situation and I will pass it on to >> everyone as soon as he shares any further information. >> >> >> >> My deepest condolences to all of Drew's family and friends. >> >> >> >> John Bartow, President >> >> Database Advisors, Inc. >> >> Office: 920-582-7574 >> >> Mobile: 920-410-7574 >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-SQLServer mailing list >> dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-sqlserver >> http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> > > > -- > Regards, > > Steve Erbach > Neenah, WI > http://www.NeenahPolitics.com > http://www.TheTownCrank.com > _______________________________________________ > dba-SQLServer mailing list > dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-sqlserver > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-SQLServer mailing list > dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-sqlserver > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > From john at winhaven.net Wed Oct 5 15:30:39 2011 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2011 15:30:39 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] FW: The passing of Drew Wutka In-Reply-To: <631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB082956A302CE159@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk> References: <631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB082956A302CE159@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk> Message-ID: <014701cc839d$a5a50020$f0ef0060$@winhaven.net> Ken will be keeping me apprised of any further info including next of kin. I'll pass along anything I receive. Drew's daughter, Hannah, is only 12 so I'm sure we need to be careful on how we communicate on this. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Martin Reid Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2011 3:18 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] FW: The passing of Drew Wutka That's sad to hear. I would lime to send something to his family if we get details. Martin Sent from my Windows Phone ________________________________ From: John Bartow Sent: 05/10/2011 20:15 To: DBA-Access Subject: [AccessD] FW: The passing of Drew Wutka Hello All, I have some sad news to share with you all. Long time lister and friend to many, Drew Wutka, passed away Monday. His friend, Ken, contacted me and a number of other board members to share this news with us because he knew that Drew participated on the DBA lists as he spoke of it often. A coworker walked by Drew's office he saw that he had his head on his desk and went in to check on him. The coworker found that he and no pulse. The paramedics were called and he was taken to the hospital where he was pronounced dead upon arrival. Ken will keep me apprised of the situation and I will pass it on to everyone as soon as he shares any further information. My deepest condolences to all of Drew's family and friends. John Bartow, President Database Advisors, Inc. Office: 920-582-7574 Mobile: 920-410-7574 -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From steve at datamanagementsolutions.biz Wed Oct 5 16:11:09 2011 From: steve at datamanagementsolutions.biz (Steve Schapel) Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2011 10:11:09 +1300 Subject: [AccessD] FW: The passing of Drew Wutka In-Reply-To: <00c601cc8392$cfc8a9c0$6f59fd40$@winhaven.net> References: <00c601cc8392$cfc8a9c0$6f59fd40$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: Thanks for letting us know, John. I have huge respect for Drew, his knowledge and the contributions he made to this group. This is very sad news indeed. Regards Steve -----Original Message----- From: John Bartow Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2011 8:13 AM To: DBA-Access Subject: [AccessD] FW: The passing of Drew Wutka Hello All, I have some sad news to share with you all. Long time lister and friend to many, Drew Wutka, passed away Monday. His friend, Ken, contacted me and a number of other board members to share this news with us because he knew that Drew participated on the DBA lists as he spoke of it often. A coworker walked by Drew's office he saw that he had his head on his desk and went in to check on him. The coworker found that he and no pulse. The paramedics were called and he was taken to the hospital where he was pronounced dead upon arrival. Ken will keep me apprised of the situation and I will pass it on to everyone as soon as he shares any further information. My deepest condolences to all of Drew's family and friends. John Bartow, President Database Advisors, Inc. Office: 920-582-7574 Mobile: 920-410-7574 -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From charlotte.foust at gmail.com Wed Oct 5 16:21:46 2011 From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust) Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2011 14:21:46 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] FW: The passing of Drew Wutka In-Reply-To: References: <00c601cc8392$cfc8a9c0$6f59fd40$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: Drew always seemed like a perennial young adult. I am stunned to hear of his death. As a grief coach, I'd also like to extend my services at no charge to any of you who need them. It would cost you nothing but a phone call. If you want to discuss it, please email me off list. Charlotte Foust On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 2:11 PM, Steve Schapel < steve at datamanagementsolutions.biz> wrote: > Thanks for letting us know, John. I have huge respect for Drew, his > knowledge and the contributions he made to this group. This is very sad > news indeed. > > Regards > Steve > > -----Original Message----- From: John Bartow > Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2011 8:13 AM > > To: DBA-Access > Subject: [AccessD] FW: The passing of Drew Wutka > > Hello All, > > I have some sad news to share with you all. > > > > Long time lister and friend to many, Drew Wutka, passed away Monday. > > > > His friend, Ken, contacted me and a number of other board members to share > this news with us because he knew that Drew participated on the DBA lists > as > he spoke of it often. > > > > A coworker walked by Drew's office he saw that he had his head on his desk > and went in to check on him. The coworker found that he and no pulse. The > paramedics were called and he was taken to the hospital where he was > pronounced dead upon arrival. > > > > Ken will keep me apprised of the situation and I will pass it on to > everyone > as soon as he shares any further information. > > > > My deepest condolences to all of Drew's family and friends. > > > > John Bartow, President > > Database Advisors, Inc. > > Office: 920-582-7574 > > Mobile: 920-410-7574 > > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/accessd > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.**com > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/accessd > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.**com > > > From ssharkins at gmail.com Wed Oct 5 16:28:26 2011 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2011 17:28:26 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] FW: The passing of Drew Wutka References: <00c601cc8392$cfc8a9c0$6f59fd40$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: You're sweet. ;) Susan H. > Drew always seemed like a perennial young adult. I am stunned to hear of > his death. As a grief coach, I'd also like to extend my services at no > charge to any of you who need them. It would cost you nothing but a phone > call. If you want to discuss it, please email me off list. From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au Wed Oct 5 17:52:34 2011 From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins) Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2011 09:52:34 +1100 Subject: [AccessD] FW: The passing of Drew Wutka In-Reply-To: <014701cc839d$a5a50020$f0ef0060$@winhaven.net> References: <631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB082956A302CE159@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk> <014701cc839d$a5a50020$f0ef0060$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: <000901cc83b1$792faf40$6b8f0dc0$@com.au> Thanks John, Please let us know. I would be happy to chip in something for the family. That is really sad, his daughter is young too. :-/ Regards Darryl. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow Sent: Thursday, 6 October 2011 7:31 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] FW: The passing of Drew Wutka Ken will be keeping me apprised of any further info including next of kin. I'll pass along anything I receive. Drew's daughter, Hannah, is only 12 so I'm sure we need to be careful on how we communicate on this. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Martin Reid Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2011 3:18 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] FW: The passing of Drew Wutka That's sad to hear. I would lime to send something to his family if we get details. Martin Sent from my Windows Phone ________________________________ From: John Bartow Sent: 05/10/2011 20:15 To: DBA-Access Subject: [AccessD] FW: The passing of Drew Wutka Hello All, I have some sad news to share with you all. Long time lister and friend to many, Drew Wutka, passed away Monday. His friend, Ken, contacted me and a number of other board members to share this news with us because he knew that Drew participated on the DBA lists as he spoke of it often. A coworker walked by Drew's office he saw that he had his head on his desk and went in to check on him. The coworker found that he and no pulse. The paramedics were called and he was taken to the hospital where he was pronounced dead upon arrival. Ken will keep me apprised of the situation and I will pass it on to everyone as soon as he shares any further information. My deepest condolences to all of Drew's family and friends. John Bartow, President Database Advisors, Inc. Office: 920-582-7574 Mobile: 920-410-7574 -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From john at winhaven.net Wed Oct 5 18:11:35 2011 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2011 18:11:35 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] FW: Drew Wutka's Services In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <01b201cc83b4$214d2e80$63e78b80$@winhaven.net> Forwarded From Ken: I spoke with Drew's mom and told her the many wonderful and kind things you guys have written about Drew.? I told her I could forward them and she was excited, so I did in fact send them to her.? ? If you have anything you can share I am certain she and Hannah, and his Dad would love it.? Her email address is: nwutka at sbcglobal.com The following is the information relating to his services: Viewing at Turrentine Jackson Morrow I-75 and ridgeview Thursday 6-7 972-562-2601 Preston Meadow Lutheran 10:30 Friday after back to church for light lunch 972-618-2233 Please feel free to contact me and share this information as you deem necessary. Kenneth Van Huss ? VanGard Systems Office (214) 801-4357 ext 335 Fax??? (214) 299-8597 Cell??? (214) 243-5659 kvanhuss at airrsystem.com From john at winhaven.net Wed Oct 5 18:21:04 2011 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2011 18:21:04 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Drew Wutka memorial ideas Message-ID: <01b301cc83b5$741defe0$5c59cfa0$@winhaven.net> Hello Listers, While I agree that we should do something as a group, I also encourage you all to act on your own accord. As Ken mentioned in his email that I just sent out, his family was very happy to hear of our fond thoughts and reminiscing's of Drew. I encourage you to send emails, Facebooks postings, cards, etc. I would like to see what everyone would like to do for Drew. A couple of ideas were to send something to his service from DBA, collect for a DBA memorial fund to aid his daughter Hannah. Any other ideas? John Bartow WinHaven Consulting PO Box 130 Winneconne, WI 54986 Office: 920-582-7574 Mobile: 920-410-7574 From robert at servicexp.com Wed Oct 5 18:25:44 2011 From: robert at servicexp.com (Robert) Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2011 19:25:44 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] FW: The passing of Drew Wutka In-Reply-To: <00c601cc8392$cfc8a9c0$6f59fd40$@winhaven.net> References: <00c601cc8392$cfc8a9c0$6f59fd40$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: <000f01cc83b6$25b3ab00$711b0100$@com> So sad indeed. I'm at a loss for words....... ...Lord strengthen and comfort Drew's family during this very difficult time... Robert -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2011 3:13 PM To: DBA-Access Subject: [AccessD] FW: The passing of Drew Wutka Hello All, I have some sad news to share with you all. Long time lister and friend to many, Drew Wutka, passed away Monday. His friend, Ken, contacted me and a number of other board members to share this news with us because he knew that Drew participated on the DBA lists as he spoke of it often. A coworker walked by Drew's office he saw that he had his head on his desk and went in to check on him. The coworker found that he and no pulse. The paramedics were called and he was taken to the hospital where he was pronounced dead upon arrival. Ken will keep me apprised of the situation and I will pass it on to everyone as soon as he shares any further information. My deepest condolences to all of Drew's family and friends. John Bartow, President Database Advisors, Inc. Office: 920-582-7574 Mobile: 920-410-7574 -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From charlotte.foust at gmail.com Wed Oct 5 19:04:10 2011 From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust) Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2011 17:04:10 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Drew Wutka memorial ideas In-Reply-To: <01b301cc83b5$741defe0$5c59cfa0$@winhaven.net> References: <01b301cc83b5$741defe0$5c59cfa0$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: One of the things that is especially helpful to children struggling with grief is a memory book. Since our memories of Drew are "virtual", we couldn't contribute photos or such, but the archives must have many threads that include the outrageous exchanges we had over the years with Drew in there fanning the flames. I wonder if it would be possible to put something together with snippets of his humor and insight and some typical teasing that might serve to remind her as the years pass of the kind of person her father was. Those could be put together in a scrapbook of sorts using online services and sent to Drew's family. We could even collaborate with them in creating something like that that included photos and such they would like to use to remember him and to preserve his memory. I we covered the cost, that would be a great memorial, and we could provide copies for each member of his family. Charlotte Foust On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 4:21 PM, John Bartow wrote: > Hello Listers, > While I agree that we should do something as a group, I also encourage you > all to act on your own accord. As Ken mentioned in his email that I just > sent out, his family was very happy to hear of our fond thoughts and > reminiscing's of Drew. I encourage you to send emails, Facebooks postings, > cards, etc. > > I would like to see what everyone would like to do for Drew. A couple of > ideas were to send something to his service from DBA, collect for a DBA > memorial fund to aid his daughter Hannah. > > Any other ideas? > > John Bartow > WinHaven Consulting > PO Box 130 > Winneconne, WI 54986 > Office: 920-582-7574 > Mobile: 920-410-7574 > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > From ssharkins at gmail.com Wed Oct 5 19:25:25 2011 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2011 20:25:25 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Drew Wutka memorial ideas References: <01b301cc83b5$741defe0$5c59cfa0$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: I was trying to think if his mom would like my copies of the articles we wrote -- some of them were in print, in IMA and a few others. I thought about sending her the actual journals. It seems kind of silly, they won't really want to read them, but... do you think she'd want them? He probably got a copy, but if they find them, they probably won't realize what they're dealing with -- will most likely think they're just old technical journals and throw them out. On the other hand, they might not care -- I just don't know -- it's not like they're great literature or anything, but I think... if it were my son, I'd want them. I just don't know what to do. Susan H. > One of the things that is especially helpful to children struggling with > grief is a memory book. Since our memories of Drew are "virtual", we > couldn't contribute photos or such, but the archives must have many > threads > that include the outrageous exchanges we had over the years with Drew in > there fanning the flames. I wonder if it would be possible to put > something > together with snippets of his humor and insight and some typical teasing > that might serve to remind her as the years pass of the kind of person her > father was. Those could be put together in a scrapbook of sorts using > online services and sent to Drew's family. We could even collaborate with > them in creating something like that that included photos and such they > would like to use to remember him and to preserve his memory. I we > covered > the cost, that would be a great memorial, and we could provide copies for > each member of his family. From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au Wed Oct 5 19:31:00 2011 From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins) Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2011 11:31:00 +1100 Subject: [AccessD] Drew Wutka memorial ideas In-Reply-To: References: <01b301cc83b5$741defe0$5c59cfa0$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: <001101cc83bf$39212f10$ab638d30$@com.au> Email her and ask what she thinks. I always find these situations a bit tricky - some folks throw a lot of things out and others want to keep them. I guess all you can do is ask and respond appropriately. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins Sent: Thursday, 6 October 2011 11:25 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Drew Wutka memorial ideas I was trying to think if his mom would like my copies of the articles we wrote -- some of them were in print, in IMA and a few others. I thought about sending her the actual journals. It seems kind of silly, they won't really want to read them, but... do you think she'd want them? He probably got a copy, but if they find them, they probably won't realize what they're dealing with -- will most likely think they're just old technical journals and throw them out. On the other hand, they might not care -- I just don't know -- it's not like they're great literature or anything, but I think... if it were my son, I'd want them. I just don't know what to do. Susan H. > One of the things that is especially helpful to children struggling with > grief is a memory book. Since our memories of Drew are "virtual", we > couldn't contribute photos or such, but the archives must have many > threads > that include the outrageous exchanges we had over the years with Drew in > there fanning the flames. I wonder if it would be possible to put > something > together with snippets of his humor and insight and some typical teasing > that might serve to remind her as the years pass of the kind of person her > father was. Those could be put together in a scrapbook of sorts using > online services and sent to Drew's family. We could even collaborate with > them in creating something like that that included photos and such they > would like to use to remember him and to preserve his memory. I we > covered > the cost, that would be a great memorial, and we could provide copies for > each member of his family. -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Wed Oct 5 19:40:18 2011 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2011 17:40:18 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Drew Wutka memorial ideas In-Reply-To: References: <01b301cc83b5$741defe0$5c59cfa0$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: "if it were my son, I'd want them." There's you answer, I think. Maybe Hanna will read them one day. Anyway, I think that's a wonderful idea, and a wonderful legacy for them to have. R -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2011 5:25 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Drew Wutka memorial ideas I was trying to think if his mom would like my copies of the articles we wrote -- some of them were in print, in IMA and a few others. I thought about sending her the actual journals. It seems kind of silly, they won't really want to read them, but... do you think she'd want them? He probably got a copy, but if they find them, they probably won't realize what they're dealing with -- will most likely think they're just old technical journals and throw them out. On the other hand, they might not care -- I just don't know -- it's not like they're great literature or anything, but I think... if it were my son, I'd want them. I just don't know what to do. Susan H. > One of the things that is especially helpful to children struggling > with grief is a memory book. Since our memories of Drew are > "virtual", we couldn't contribute photos or such, but the archives > must have many threads that include the outrageous exchanges we had > over the years with Drew in there fanning the flames. I wonder if it > would be possible to put something together with snippets of his humor > and insight and some typical teasing that might serve to remind her as > the years pass of the kind of person her father was. Those could be > put together in a scrapbook of sorts using online services and sent to > Drew's family. We could even collaborate with them in creating > something like that that included photos and such they would like to > use to remember him and to preserve his memory. I we covered the > cost, that would be a great memorial, and we could provide copies for > each member of his family. -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From marksimms at verizon.net Wed Oct 5 20:27:01 2011 From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms) Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2011 21:27:01 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Drew Wutka memorial ideas In-Reply-To: References: <01b301cc83b5$741defe0$5c59cfa0$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: <006701cc83c7$0c766cc0$25634640$@net> I'll definitely "chip in". I know this is not a warm and fuzzy way of doing it, but would PayPal be out of the question here ? I mean...it's at least convenient. The recipient could establish an account there within days. From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Wed Oct 5 20:32:09 2011 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2011 21:32:09 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Drew Wutka memorial ideas In-Reply-To: References: <01b301cc83b5$741defe0$5c59cfa0$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: <4E8D0519.8080301@colbyconsulting.com> I think they should be forwarded to the family. They might not know he was "published". John W. Colby Colby Consulting On 10/5/2011 8:25 PM, Susan Harkins wrote: > I was trying to think if his mom would like my copies of the articles we wrote -- some of them were > in print, in IMA and a few others. I thought about sending her the actual journals. It seems kind of > silly, they won't really want to read them, but... do you think she'd want them? He probably got a > copy, but if they find them, they probably won't realize what they're dealing with -- will most > likely think they're just old technical journals and throw them out. On the other hand, they might > not care -- I just don't know -- it's not like they're great literature or anything, but I think... > if it were my son, I'd want them. I just don't know what to do. > > Susan H. > > >> One of the things that is especially helpful to children struggling with >> grief is a memory book. Since our memories of Drew are "virtual", we >> couldn't contribute photos or such, but the archives must have many threads >> that include the outrageous exchanges we had over the years with Drew in >> there fanning the flames. I wonder if it would be possible to put something >> together with snippets of his humor and insight and some typical teasing >> that might serve to remind her as the years pass of the kind of person her >> father was. Those could be put together in a scrapbook of sorts using >> online services and sent to Drew's family. We could even collaborate with >> them in creating something like that that included photos and such they >> would like to use to remember him and to preserve his memory. I we covered >> the cost, that would be a great memorial, and we could provide copies for >> each member of his family. > From kvanhuss at airrsystem.com Wed Oct 5 21:38:22 2011 From: kvanhuss at airrsystem.com (Kenneth W Van Huss) Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2011 21:38:22 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Drew Wutka memorial ideas In-Reply-To: References: <01b301cc83b5$741defe0$5c59cfa0$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: FWIW, if my opinion accounts, Charlotte's idea sounds like something the family would like. Kenneth Van Huss VanGard Systems Office (214) 801-4357 ext 335 Fax (214) 299-8597 Cell (214) 243-5659 kvanhuss at airrsystem.com ================================================================ This message and all attachments transmitted with it may contain legally privileged/proprietary information intended solely for the use of the addressee. If this email is not intended for you, and you are not responsible for the delivery of this email message to the addressee, do not keep, copy or deliver this email message to anyone. Please destroy this email in its entirety and notify the sender by reply email. Your cooperation is appreciated. ================================================================== ??In consideration of the environment ? please do not print this email unless absolutely necessary. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2011 7:04 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Drew Wutka memorial ideas One of the things that is especially helpful to children struggling with grief is a memory book. Since our memories of Drew are "virtual", we couldn't contribute photos or such, but the archives must have many threads that include the outrageous exchanges we had over the years with Drew in there fanning the flames. I wonder if it would be possible to put something together with snippets of his humor and insight and some typical teasing that might serve to remind her as the years pass of the kind of person her father was. Those could be put together in a scrapbook of sorts using online services and sent to Drew's family. We could even collaborate with them in creating something like that that included photos and such they would like to use to remember him and to preserve his memory. I we covered the cost, that would be a great memorial, and we could provide copies for each member of his family. Charlotte Foust On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 4:21 PM, John Bartow wrote: > Hello Listers, > While I agree that we should do something as a group, I also encourage > you all to act on your own accord. As Ken mentioned in his email that > I just sent out, his family was very happy to hear of our fond > thoughts and reminiscing's of Drew. I encourage you to send emails, > Facebooks postings, cards, etc. > > I would like to see what everyone would like to do for Drew. A couple > of ideas were to send something to his service from DBA, collect for a > DBA memorial fund to aid his daughter Hannah. > > Any other ideas? > > John Bartow > WinHaven Consulting > PO Box 130 > Winneconne, WI 54986 > Office: 920-582-7574 > Mobile: 920-410-7574 > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From kvanhuss at airrsystem.com Wed Oct 5 21:40:13 2011 From: kvanhuss at airrsystem.com (Kenneth W Van Huss) Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2011 21:40:13 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Drew Wutka memorial ideas In-Reply-To: References: <01b301cc83b5$741defe0$5c59cfa0$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: I too believe that the family would like it. You can also email her and ask if it is something they would like for themselves or for Hannah. Respectfully, Kenneth Van Huss VanGard Systems Office (214) 801-4357 ext 335 Fax (214) 299-8597 Cell (214) 243-5659 kvanhuss at airrsystem.com ================================================================ This message and all attachments transmitted with it may contain legally privileged/proprietary information intended solely for the use of the addressee. If this email is not intended for you, and you are not responsible for the delivery of this email message to the addressee, do not keep, copy or deliver this email message to anyone. Please destroy this email in its entirety and notify the sender by reply email. Your cooperation is appreciated. ================================================================== ??In consideration of the environment ? please do not print this email unless absolutely necessary. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2011 7:25 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Drew Wutka memorial ideas I was trying to think if his mom would like my copies of the articles we wrote -- some of them were in print, in IMA and a few others. I thought about sending her the actual journals. It seems kind of silly, they won't really want to read them, but... do you think she'd want them? He probably got a copy, but if they find them, they probably won't realize what they're dealing with -- will most likely think they're just old technical journals and throw them out. On the other hand, they might not care -- I just don't know -- it's not like they're great literature or anything, but I think... if it were my son, I'd want them. I just don't know what to do. Susan H. > One of the things that is especially helpful to children struggling > with grief is a memory book. Since our memories of Drew are > "virtual", we couldn't contribute photos or such, but the archives > must have many threads that include the outrageous exchanges we had > over the years with Drew in there fanning the flames. I wonder if it > would be possible to put something together with snippets of his humor > and insight and some typical teasing that might serve to remind her as > the years pass of the kind of person her father was. Those could be > put together in a scrapbook of sorts using online services and sent to > Drew's family. We could even collaborate with them in creating > something like that that included photos and such they would like to > use to remember him and to preserve his memory. I we covered the > cost, that would be a great memorial, and we could provide copies for > each member of his family. -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From edzedz at comcast.net Wed Oct 5 21:44:48 2011 From: edzedz at comcast.net (Edward Zuris) Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2011 20:44:48 -0600 Subject: [AccessD] FW: The passing of Drew Wutka In-Reply-To: <00c601cc8392$cfc8a9c0$6f59fd40$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: <000a01cc83d1$ea0ee530$5bdea8c0@edz1> So Sad. . . . -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2011 1:13 PM To: DBA-Access Subject: [AccessD] FW: The passing of Drew Wutka Hello All, I have some sad news to share with you all. Long time lister and friend to many, Drew Wutka, passed away Monday. His friend, Ken, contacted me and a number of other board members to share this news with us because he knew that Drew participated on the DBA lists as he spoke of it often. A coworker walked by Drew's office he saw that he had his head on his desk and went in to check on him. The coworker found that he and no pulse. The paramedics were called and he was taken to the hospital where he was pronounced dead upon arrival. Ken will keep me apprised of the situation and I will pass it on to everyone as soon as he shares any further information. My deepest condolences to all of Drew's family and friends. John Bartow, President Database Advisors, Inc. Office: 920-582-7574 Mobile: 920-410-7574 -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Wed Oct 5 20:02:18 2011 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2011 21:02:18 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] A person that I have never met has passed Message-ID: Over the past 10 years or so, I have had about 1000 e-conversations with Drew Wutka, and have come to regard him as one of the sharpest knives in the drawer. He has taught me a lot about programming. He had a beautiful style in his code, minimalist to the max. You could look at his code and not cut a single line. He was absolutely brilliant, and always willing to share his code. Iearned a ton from him, and I shall miss him on every future day. Arthur From jimdettman at verizon.net Thu Oct 6 06:45:02 2011 From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman) Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2011 07:45:02 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] FW: The passing of Drew Wutka In-Reply-To: <00c601cc8392$cfc8a9c0$6f59fd40$@winhaven.net> References: <00c601cc8392$cfc8a9c0$6f59fd40$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: Wow...very sad to hear of his passing. I loved reading Drew's comments on the list. Sad too that he left behind a daughter so young. It's tough enough to loose a parent as an adult. I can't imagine loosing a parent at such a young age. Count me in as well for whatever everyone feels might be a fitting memorial. Jim. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2011 03:13 PM To: DBA-Access Subject: [AccessD] FW: The passing of Drew Wutka Hello All, I have some sad news to share with you all. Long time lister and friend to many, Drew Wutka, passed away Monday. His friend, Ken, contacted me and a number of other board members to share this news with us because he knew that Drew participated on the DBA lists as he spoke of it often. A coworker walked by Drew's office he saw that he had his head on his desk and went in to check on him. The coworker found that he and no pulse. The paramedics were called and he was taken to the hospital where he was pronounced dead upon arrival. Ken will keep me apprised of the situation and I will pass it on to everyone as soon as he shares any further information. My deepest condolences to all of Drew's family and friends. John Bartow, President Database Advisors, Inc. Office: 920-582-7574 Mobile: 920-410-7574 -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From tinanfields at torchlake.com Thu Oct 6 07:02:43 2011 From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields) Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2011 08:02:43 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Drew Wutka memorial ideas In-Reply-To: References: <01b301cc83b5$741defe0$5c59cfa0$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: <4E8D98E3.7020909@torchlake.com> I think this is a wonderful idea. How may I help? T Tina Norris Fields tinanfields at torchlake.com 231-322-2787 On 10/5/2011 8:04 PM, Charlotte Foust wrote: > One of the things that is especially helpful to children struggling with > grief is a memory book. Since our memories of Drew are "virtual", we > couldn't contribute photos or such, but the archives must have many threads > that include the outrageous exchanges we had over the years with Drew in > there fanning the flames. I wonder if it would be possible to put something > together with snippets of his humor and insight and some typical teasing > that might serve to remind her as the years pass of the kind of person her > father was. Those could be put together in a scrapbook of sorts using > online services and sent to Drew's family. We could even collaborate with > them in creating something like that that included photos and such they > would like to use to remember him and to preserve his memory. I we covered > the cost, that would be a great memorial, and we could provide copies for > each member of his family. > > Charlotte Foust > > On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 4:21 PM, John Bartow wrote: > >> Hello Listers, >> While I agree that we should do something as a group, I also encourage you >> all to act on your own accord. As Ken mentioned in his email that I just >> sent out, his family was very happy to hear of our fond thoughts and >> reminiscing's of Drew. I encourage you to send emails, Facebooks postings, >> cards, etc. >> >> I would like to see what everyone would like to do for Drew. A couple of >> ideas were to send something to his service from DBA, collect for a DBA >> memorial fund to aid his daughter Hannah. >> >> Any other ideas? >> >> John Bartow >> WinHaven Consulting >> PO Box 130 >> Winneconne, WI 54986 >> Office: 920-582-7574 >> Mobile: 920-410-7574 >> >> >> -- >> AccessD mailing list >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >> >> >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> >> From rusty.hammond at cpiqpc.com Thu Oct 6 09:07:24 2011 From: rusty.hammond at cpiqpc.com (Rusty Hammond) Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2011 09:07:24 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Drew Wutka memorial ideas In-Reply-To: <4E8D0519.8080301@colbyconsulting.com> References: <01b301cc83b5$741defe0$5c59cfa0$@winhaven.net> <4E8D0519.8080301@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <49A286ABF515E94A8505CD14DEB721701744A1CA@CPIEMAIL-EVS1.CPIQPC.NET> I know I don't post a lot but I have been subscribed to this list for a few years. It was very obvious how well respected Drew was on this list and I think the family would really like to know that. Small world, turns out my wife has been working with Drew's sister-in-law (married to Drew's brother) for a few years now. They are reading tutors and sit right next to each other every day. My jaw dropped when my wife told me last night about Amy's brother-in-law passing away this week. I would be glad to help get any condolences, memories, etc to the family. Rusty Hammond -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2011 8:32 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Drew Wutka memorial ideas I think they should be forwarded to the family. They might not know he was "published". John W. Colby Colby Consulting On 10/5/2011 8:25 PM, Susan Harkins wrote: > I was trying to think if his mom would like my copies of the articles > we wrote -- some of them were in print, in IMA and a few others. I > thought about sending her the actual journals. It seems kind of silly, > they won't really want to read them, but... do you think she'd want > them? He probably got a copy, but if they find them, they probably > won't realize what they're dealing with -- will most likely think they're just old technical journals and throw them out. On the other hand, they might not care -- I just don't know -- it's not like they're great literature or anything, but I think... > if it were my son, I'd want them. I just don't know what to do. > > Susan H. > > >> One of the things that is especially helpful to children struggling >> with grief is a memory book. Since our memories of Drew are >> "virtual", we couldn't contribute photos or such, but the archives >> must have many threads that include the outrageous exchanges we had >> over the years with Drew in there fanning the flames. I wonder if it >> would be possible to put something together with snippets of his >> humor and insight and some typical teasing that might serve to remind >> her as the years pass of the kind of person her father was. Those >> could be put together in a scrapbook of sorts using online services >> and sent to Drew's family. We could even collaborate with them in >> creating something like that that included photos and such they would >> like to use to remember him and to preserve his memory. I we covered >> the cost, that would be a great memorial, and we could provide copies for each member of his family. > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com ********************************************************************** WARNING: All e-mail sent to and from this address will be received, scanned or otherwise recorded by the CPI Qualified Plan Consultants, Inc. corporate e-mail system and is subject to archival, monitoring or review by, and/or disclosure to, someone other than the recipient. ********************************************************************** From markamatte at hotmail.com Thu Oct 6 10:28:21 2011 From: markamatte at hotmail.com (Mark A Matte) Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2011 15:28:21 +0000 Subject: [AccessD] Drew Wutka memorial ideas In-Reply-To: <4E8D0519.8080301@colbyconsulting.com> References: <01b301cc83b5$741defe0$5c59cfa0$@winhaven.net>, , , <4E8D0519.8080301@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: I agree. Drew was also listed as "one of the giants of AccessD" in Martin's book. Not sure his family knows that...but I think this is a good representation of how he was viewed and appreciated by the list as a whole. Mark A. Matte > Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2011 21:32:09 -0400 > From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Drew Wutka memorial ideas > > I think they should be forwarded to the family. They might not know he was "published". > > John W. Colby > Colby Consulting > > On 10/5/2011 8:25 PM, Susan Harkins wrote: > > I was trying to think if his mom would like my copies of the articles we wrote -- some of them were > > in print, in IMA and a few others. I thought about sending her the actual journals. It seems kind of > > silly, they won't really want to read them, but... do you think she'd want them? He probably got a > > copy, but if they find them, they probably won't realize what they're dealing with -- will most > > likely think they're just old technical journals and throw them out. On the other hand, they might > > not care -- I just don't know -- it's not like they're great literature or anything, but I think... > > if it were my son, I'd want them. I just don't know what to do. > > > > Susan H. > > > > > >> One of the things that is especially helpful to children struggling with > >> grief is a memory book. Since our memories of Drew are "virtual", we > >> couldn't contribute photos or such, but the archives must have many threads > >> that include the outrageous exchanges we had over the years with Drew in > >> there fanning the flames. I wonder if it would be possible to put something > >> together with snippets of his humor and insight and some typical teasing > >> that might serve to remind her as the years pass of the kind of person her > >> father was. Those could be put together in a scrapbook of sorts using > >> online services and sent to Drew's family. We could even collaborate with > >> them in creating something like that that included photos and such they > >> would like to use to remember him and to preserve his memory. I we covered > >> the cost, that would be a great memorial, and we could provide copies for > >> each member of his family. > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From markamatte at hotmail.com Thu Oct 6 11:51:48 2011 From: markamatte at hotmail.com (Mark A Matte) Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2011 16:51:48 +0000 Subject: [AccessD] Drew Wutka memorial ideas In-Reply-To: References: <01b301cc83b5$741defe0$5c59cfa0$@winhaven.net>, , , , , , <4E8D0519.8080301@colbyconsulting.com>, Message-ID: For those who might not remember we have some pictures on accesD... http://www.databaseadvisors.com/newsletters/bio_pages/bio_drew.asp > From: markamatte at hotmail.com > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com > Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2011 15:28:21 +0000 > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Drew Wutka memorial ideas > > > I agree. Drew was also listed as "one of the giants of AccessD" in Martin's book. > > Not sure his family knows that...but I think this is a good representation of how he was viewed and appreciated by the list as a whole. > > Mark A. Matte > > > > > > Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2011 21:32:09 -0400 > > From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com > > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Drew Wutka memorial ideas > > > > I think they should be forwarded to the family. They might not know he was "published". > > > > John W. Colby > > Colby Consulting > > > > On 10/5/2011 8:25 PM, Susan Harkins wrote: > > > I was trying to think if his mom would like my copies of the articles we wrote -- some of them were > > > in print, in IMA and a few others. I thought about sending her the actual journals. It seems kind of > > > silly, they won't really want to read them, but... do you think she'd want them? He probably got a > > > copy, but if they find them, they probably won't realize what they're dealing with -- will most > > > likely think they're just old technical journals and throw them out. On the other hand, they might > > > not care -- I just don't know -- it's not like they're great literature or anything, but I think... > > > if it were my son, I'd want them. I just don't know what to do. > > > > > > Susan H. > > > > > > > > >> One of the things that is especially helpful to children struggling with > > >> grief is a memory book. Since our memories of Drew are "virtual", we > > >> couldn't contribute photos or such, but the archives must have many threads > > >> that include the outrageous exchanges we had over the years with Drew in > > >> there fanning the flames. I wonder if it would be possible to put something > > >> together with snippets of his humor and insight and some typical teasing > > >> that might serve to remind her as the years pass of the kind of person her > > >> father was. Those could be put together in a scrapbook of sorts using > > >> online services and sent to Drew's family. We could even collaborate with > > >> them in creating something like that that included photos and such they > > >> would like to use to remember him and to preserve his memory. I we covered > > >> the cost, that would be a great memorial, and we could provide copies for > > >> each member of his family. > > > > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From BradM at blackforestltd.com Thu Oct 6 14:46:50 2011 From: BradM at blackforestltd.com (Brad Marks) Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2011 14:46:50 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] How to insert a record into an Access table that has an "Attachment" field (with VBA code) References: <4E591854.8090208@colbyconsulting.com><6BAD4B05F0474F8083137B9C25B1038C@HAL9007><4E597AE8.6269.28B4FE51@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: I have just started to experiment with product pictures. I have a small test table that only have two fields - Part_Number and Part_Picture (defined as an Attachment field). I can manually add data to this table, but I now want to add some test records with VBA code. I have made several attempts which did not work. I must be missing something. Does anyone have an example of how to do this? Thanks, Brad From fuller.artful at gmail.com Thu Oct 6 16:24:28 2011 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2011 17:24:28 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Drew Wutka memorial ideas In-Reply-To: References: <01b301cc83b5$741defe0$5c59cfa0$@winhaven.net> <4E8D0519.8080301@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: He taught me most of the stuff I know. I can't figure out why I am 10 years older and still alive. He was a very very very smart person. A. On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 11:28 AM, Mark A Matte wrote: > > I agree. Drew was also listed as "one of the giants of AccessD" in > Martin's book. > > Not sure his family knows that...but I think this is a good representation > of how he was viewed and appreciated by the list as a whole. > > Mark A. Matte > > > > > > Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2011 21:32:09 -0400 > > From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com > > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Drew Wutka memorial ideas > > > > I think they should be forwarded to the family. They might not know he > was "published". > > > > John W. Colby > > Colby Consulting > > > > On 10/5/2011 8:25 PM, Susan Harkins wrote: > > > I was trying to think if his mom would like my copies of the articles > we wrote -- some of them were > > > in print, in IMA and a few others. I thought about sending her the > actual journals. It seems kind of > > > silly, they won't really want to read them, but... do you think she'd > want them? He probably got a > > > copy, but if they find them, they probably won't realize what they're > dealing with -- will most > > > likely think they're just old technical journals and throw them out. On > the other hand, they might > > > not care -- I just don't know -- it's not like they're great literature > or anything, but I think... > > > if it were my son, I'd want them. I just don't know what to do. > > > > > > Susan H. > > > > > > > > >> One of the things that is especially helpful to children struggling > with > > >> grief is a memory book. Since our memories of Drew are "virtual", we > > >> couldn't contribute photos or such, but the archives must have many > threads > > >> that include the outrageous exchanges we had over the years with Drew > in > > >> there fanning the flames. I wonder if it would be possible to put > something > > >> together with snippets of his humor and insight and some typical > teasing > > >> that might serve to remind her as the years pass of the kind of person > her > > >> father was. Those could be put together in a scrapbook of sorts using > > >> online services and sent to Drew's family. We could even collaborate > with > > >> them in creating something like that that included photos and such > they > > >> would like to use to remember him and to preserve his memory. I we > covered > > >> the cost, that would be a great memorial, and we could provide copies > for > > >> each member of his family. > > > > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From kismert at gmail.com Thu Oct 6 17:50:28 2011 From: kismert at gmail.com (Kenneth Ismert) Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2011 17:50:28 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] FW: The passing of Drew Wutka Message-ID: I am sad to hear the news. Although I never met him, he felt like a friend. I will miss his curmudgeonly insight. -Ken From ssharkins at gmail.com Thu Oct 6 19:38:51 2011 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2011 20:38:51 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] 10 things I don't miss about Access Message-ID: <11C1B61285C842CF916599C780A8EE25@SusanHarkins> I wonder what Drew would say. Susan H. From kvanhuss at airrsystem.com Thu Oct 6 20:07:57 2011 From: kvanhuss at airrsystem.com (Kenneth W Van Huss) Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2011 20:07:57 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] What would Drew think? Message-ID: Many of you may not know that Drew was not formally trained in computer science but was self taught. He learned many things on his own, and as such named his discoveries to what suited him. Sometimes his discoveries were already known by other names in the development community. I remember about 9 years ago him telling me about "streamlining" or "downsizing" tables (that may not be what he called it as it was a long time ago). He said he was "talking" about it on the AccessD list and someone used the term normalizing a table, and if I remember correctly there was banter on the list about it. He was serious at the time, and thought normalization didn't really fit the situation. Some of you may recall the details, and I may not be conveying it correctly. But it was funny to me back then. Drew learned so much on his own, and didn't live within the limits or restraints of what Microsoft imposed. When he first started using ASP.NET, he felt Microsoft had taken away features that he found useful and used frequently in ASP. So he somehow hacked out a solution that gave him what Microsoft had taken away so the he could make .NET work the way he felt it should. For those old enough to know what an Enigma machine was, or those knowledgeable of WWII history, Drew created a program that emulated it. And these things he did for fun and entertainment. And don't tell Drew it can't be done. That was like a personal challenge, and he would show you it could be done just to prove you wrong. These are some of the many memories I have of Drew. Respectfully, Kenneth Van Huss -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2011 7:39 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: [AccessD] 10 things I don't miss about Access I wonder what Drew would say. Susan H. -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From charlotte.foust at gmail.com Thu Oct 6 20:45:48 2011 From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust) Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2011 18:45:48 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] 10 things I don't miss about Access In-Reply-To: <11C1B61285C842CF916599C780A8EE25@SusanHarkins> References: <11C1B61285C842CF916599C780A8EE25@SusanHarkins> Message-ID: He'd probably wonder what took you so long! LOL Charlotte Foust On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 5:38 PM, Susan Harkins wrote: > < > http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/10things/10-things-i-dont-miss-about-access/2758?alertspromo=100907&tag=nl.rSINGLE > > > > > I wonder what Drew would say. > > Susan H. > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > From john at winhaven.net Thu Oct 6 21:08:25 2011 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2011 21:08:25 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Drew Wutka's Obituary page Message-ID: <01d401cc8495$ffb642b0$ff22c810$@winhaven.net> http://www.turrentinejacksonmorrow.com/detail.php?id=6177 From adtp at airtelmail.in Thu Oct 6 23:17:15 2011 From: adtp at airtelmail.in (A.D. Tejpal) Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2011 09:47:15 +0530 Subject: [AccessD] Drew Wutka memorial ideas References: <01b301cc83b5$741defe0$5c59cfa0$@winhaven.net><4E8D0519.8080301@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: This is a question that remains has eternally defied any logical answer: Why should some one so exceptionally gifted, in prime of his life, leave us all of a sudden - out of turn? While one has to come to terms with inevitability of life & death, losing a genius like Drew in this untimely manner, comes as a rude shock to us all. He happened to be approximately 35 years younger to me and I have not had the opportunity to meet him personally. Despite the fact that Drew worked on a different plane, with dazzling brilliance, he was ever more than willing to help. With him on board, there was always the re-assurance that if any programming problem became too intricate, Drew would find a way. It is so sad that God's special children are often granted only a short time in this world. A.D. Tejpal ------------ ----- Original Message ----- From: Arthur Fuller To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Sent: Friday, October 07, 2011 02:54 Subject: Re: [AccessD] Drew Wutka memorial ideas He taught me most of the stuff I know. I can't figure out why I am 10 years older and still alive. He was a very very very smart person. A. On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 11:28 AM, Mark A Matte wrote: > > I agree. Drew was also listed as "one of the giants of AccessD" in > Martin's book. > > Not sure his family knows that...but I think this is a good representation > of how he was viewed and appreciated by the list as a whole. > > Mark A. Matte > > > > Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2011 21:32:09 -0400 > > From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com > > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Drew Wutka memorial ideas > > > > I think they should be forwarded to the family. They might not know he > was "published". > > > > John W. Colby > > Colby Consulting > > > > On 10/5/2011 8:25 PM, Susan Harkins wrote: > > > I was trying to think if his mom would like my copies of the articles > we wrote -- some of them were > > > in print, in IMA and a few others. I thought about sending her the > actual journals. It seems kind of > > > silly, they won't really want to read them, but... do you think she'd > want them? He probably got a > > > copy, but if they find them, they probably won't realize what they're > dealing with -- will most > > > likely think they're just old technical journals and throw them out. On > the other hand, they might > > > not care -- I just don't know -- it's not like they're great literature > or anything, but I think... > > > if it were my son, I'd want them. I just don't know what to do. > > > > > > Susan H. > > > > > > > > >> One of the things that is especially helpful to children struggling > with > > >> grief is a memory book. Since our memories of Drew are "virtual", we > > >> couldn't contribute photos or such, but the archives must have many > threads > > >> that include the outrageous exchanges we had over the years with Drew > in > > >> there fanning the flames. I wonder if it would be possible to put > something > > >> together with snippets of his humor and insight and some typical > teasing > > >> that might serve to remind her as the years pass of the kind of person > her > > >> father was. Those could be put together in a scrapbook of sorts using > > >> online services and sent to Drew's family. We could even collaborate > with > > >> them in creating something like that that included photos and such > they > > >> would like to use to remember him and to preserve his memory. I we > covered > > >> the cost, that would be a great memorial, and we could provide copies > for > > >> each member of his family. From stephen at bondsoftware.co.nz Fri Oct 7 02:58:30 2011 From: stephen at bondsoftware.co.nz (Stephen Bond) Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2011 20:58:30 +1300 Subject: [AccessD] Drew Wutka - one more memory Message-ID: If you were new to something, Drew would take the time. I'll never forget a posting from Drew on 27 Nov 2003 (I still have it). The subject was 'OT - Getting started with Web development', in response to a request from Paul Hartland (it helped me too). Drew's response was 1975 words, full of cogent explanation and advice. The last paragraph began ' Phew, what an email. This was fun to write though. ' He took the time to help. This is the measure of the man. Stephen Bond From jimdettman at verizon.net Fri Oct 7 07:29:59 2011 From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman) Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2011 08:29:59 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] 10 things I don't miss about Access In-Reply-To: <11C1B61285C842CF916599C780A8EE25@SusanHarkins> References: <11C1B61285C842CF916599C780A8EE25@SusanHarkins> Message-ID: Nice piece Susan! Jim. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2011 08:39 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: [AccessD] 10 things I don't miss about Access I wonder what Drew would say. Susan H. -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From ssharkins at gmail.com Fri Oct 7 07:57:54 2011 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2011 08:57:54 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] 10 things I don't miss about Access References: <11C1B61285C842CF916599C780A8EE25@SusanHarkins> Message-ID: <80D0947BE2CC4668BD260EC60216D168@SusanHarkins> Thanks Jim... I appreciate that. I tried hard not to tweak any noses. :) Susan H. > > Nice piece Susan! > > Jim. > > > s/2758?alertspromo=100907&tag=nl.rSINGLE> > > I wonder what Drew would say. > > Susan H. From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Fri Oct 7 10:19:36 2011 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2011 11:19:36 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] 10 things I don't miss about Access In-Reply-To: <80D0947BE2CC4668BD260EC60216D168@SusanHarkins> References: <11C1B61285C842CF916599C780A8EE25@SusanHarkins> <80D0947BE2CC4668BD260EC60216D168@SusanHarkins> Message-ID: <4E8F1888.1060800@colbyconsulting.com> Except maybe those that need tweaking. Microsoft (for not fixing bugs), idiots (for idiotic unfounded opinions) etc. ;) John W. Colby Colby Consulting On 10/7/2011 8:57 AM, Susan Harkins wrote: > Thanks Jim... I appreciate that. I tried hard not to tweak any noses. :) > > Susan H. >> >> Nice piece Susan! >> >> Jim. >> >> >> > s/2758?alertspromo=100907&tag=nl.rSINGLE> >> >> I wonder what Drew would say. >> >> Susan H. > From BradM at blackforestltd.com Fri Oct 7 11:06:42 2011 From: BradM at blackforestltd.com (Brad Marks) Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2011 11:06:42 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Images (jpg files) on Access 2007 Report Detail Lines (Report View) References: <4E591854.8090208@colbyconsulting.com><6BAD4B05F0474F8083137B9C25B1038C@HAL9007><4E597AE8.6269.28B4FE51@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: All, Earlier I posted a question about Attachment fields. I was able to find an answer to my question and I have a test application that works Okay, but it seems a bit complicated for what I am trying to do. I thought that if I explained what I am trying to accomplish, maybe someone would have some insights or suggestions. I am pulling "Part" information from a SQL Server database into Access 2007 via ODBC. One of the fields in the Parts table is the location of an image of the Part. (for example C:\Part_Images\Part001.jpg). I want to be able to use an Access 2007 Report (in Report View) to display the appropriate .jpg file for each detail line on the report. I am able to accomplish this via the use of a "temporary" Access table that has an Attachment field for the images. This works, but I wonder if there is a better/simpler approach. I have experimented with placing an "Image" on the Report Detail lines, with hopes of changing the Images's "Picture" property on the fly for each detail line on the report. I cannot figure out how to do this. Perhaps Access 2007 does not allow this when using "Report View". I would guess that others may have run into similar situations and may have some advice. Thanks for your help, Brad From dnod at aol.com Fri Oct 7 11:29:33 2011 From: dnod at aol.com (Dean Davids) Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2011 12:29:33 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Images (jpg files) on Access 2007 Report Detail Lines (Report View) In-Reply-To: References: <4E591854.8090208@colbyconsulting.com> <6BAD4B05F0474F8083137B9C25B1038C@HAL9007> <4E597AE8.6269.28B4FE51@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: I did this sort of thing some years ago and it worked well exactly as you are saying. Update the image property on print, I believe. I had started with tables and bound images but that failed miserably as soon as the number of records became substantial. Everything I know of the process, I learned from AD TejPal (forgive me if I missed that spelling). If you look up his posts I would defer to his expertise. I think he even has some sample databases out on the Access reference sites that cover what you are trying to do. It has been a long time time and I am an infrequent Access developer these days so I can offer very little help from memory. If you don't get anywhere I will see if I can pull out my own examples and refresh my brain. Dean S. Davids On Oct 7, 2011, at 12:06 PM, "Brad Marks" wrote: > All, > > Earlier I posted a question about Attachment fields. I was able to find > an answer to my question and I have a test application that works Okay, > but it seems a bit complicated for what I am trying to do. > > I thought that if I explained what I am trying to accomplish, maybe > someone would have some insights or suggestions. > > I am pulling "Part" information from a SQL Server database into Access > 2007 via ODBC. One of the fields in the Parts table is the location of > an image of the Part. (for example C:\Part_Images\Part001.jpg). > > I want to be able to use an Access 2007 Report (in Report View) to > display the appropriate .jpg file for each detail line on the report. > > I am able to accomplish this via the use of a "temporary" Access table > that has an Attachment field for the images. This works, but I wonder > if there is a better/simpler approach. > > I have experimented with placing an "Image" on the Report Detail lines, > with hopes of changing the Images's "Picture" property on the fly for > each detail line on the report. I cannot figure out how to do this. > Perhaps Access 2007 does not allow this when using "Report View". > > I would guess that others may have run into similar situations and may > have some advice. > > Thanks for your help, > > Brad > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jimdettman at verizon.net Fri Oct 7 12:21:35 2011 From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman) Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2011 13:21:35 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] 10 things I don't miss about Access In-Reply-To: <4E8F1888.1060800@colbyconsulting.com> References: <11C1B61285C842CF916599C780A8EE25@SusanHarkins> <80D0947BE2CC4668BD260EC60216D168@SusanHarkins> <4E8F1888.1060800@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <0A1EAA4694B846FEA8C6D842D4A8F6FF@XPS> I'd 2nd the first. Drives me nuts that they put products out before their ready, fix some things, then for others say "upgrade to the latest release to get the fix", which has it's own new set of bugs. Ugh. If I wrote software like that and said that, my clients would shoot me. Jim. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: Friday, October 07, 2011 11:20 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] 10 things I don't miss about Access Except maybe those that need tweaking. Microsoft (for not fixing bugs), idiots (for idiotic unfounded opinions) etc. ;) John W. Colby Colby Consulting On 10/7/2011 8:57 AM, Susan Harkins wrote: > Thanks Jim... I appreciate that. I tried hard not to tweak any noses. :) > > Susan H. >> >> Nice piece Susan! >> >> Jim. >> >> >> > s/2758?alertspromo=100907&tag=nl.rSINGLE> >> >> I wonder what Drew would say. >> >> Susan H. > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From marksimms at verizon.net Fri Oct 7 13:00:18 2011 From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms) Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2011 14:00:18 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] 10 things I don't miss about Access In-Reply-To: <0A1EAA4694B846FEA8C6D842D4A8F6FF@XPS> References: <11C1B61285C842CF916599C780A8EE25@SusanHarkins> <80D0947BE2CC4668BD260EC60216D168@SusanHarkins> <4E8F1888.1060800@colbyconsulting.com> <0A1EAA4694B846FEA8C6D842D4A8F6FF@XPS> Message-ID: <005f01cc851a$f9b87100$ed295300$@net> Listen-up guys. Right now under Balmer's direction and control, Microsoft has got to be considered to be in a state of CHAOS. PERIOD.(or should that be an exclamation mark !) The cloud and the handheld platform initiatives are likely taking resources away from their other business segments....like Office, Sharepoint, Visual Studio, etc. IMHO of course. > I'd 2nd the first. Drives me nuts that they put products out before > their > ready, fix some things, then for others say "upgrade to the latest > release > to get the fix", which has it's own new set of bugs. Ugh. > > If I wrote software like that and said that, my clients would shoot > me. From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Fri Oct 7 13:59:33 2011 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Sat, 08 Oct 2011 04:59:33 +1000 Subject: [AccessD] Images (jpg files) on Access 2007 Report Detail Lines (Report View) In-Reply-To: References: <4E591854.8090208@colbyconsulting.com>, , Message-ID: <4E8F4C15.31859.D51965B@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> I do this quite regularly with a simple text field to store the filename ( usually, I keep the images in a standard directory, just store the filename and build the full path/filename as required.) Then I just use something like this in the report: : Private Sub Detail_Format(Cancel As Integer, FormatCount As Integer) If PhotoName > "" And Dir$(PhotoDir() & PhotoName) > "" Then imgPhoto.Picture = PhotosDir() & PhotoName Else imgPhoto.Picture = PhotosDir() & "noimage.jpg" End If End Sub > > On Oct 7, 2011, at 12:06 PM, "Brad Marks" > wrote: > > > All, > > > > Earlier I posted a question about Attachment fields. I was able to > > find an answer to my question and I have a test application that > > works Okay, but it seems a bit complicated for what I am trying to > > do. > > > > I thought that if I explained what I am trying to accomplish, maybe > > someone would have some insights or suggestions. > > > > I am pulling "Part" information from a SQL Server database into > > Access 2007 via ODBC. One of the fields in the Parts table is the > > location of an image of the Part. (for example > > C:\Part_Images\Part001.jpg). > > > > I want to be able to use an Access 2007 Report (in Report View) to > > display the appropriate .jpg file for each detail line on the > > report. > > > > I am able to accomplish this via the use of a "temporary" Access > > table that has an Attachment field for the images. This works, but > > I wonder if there is a better/simpler approach. > > > > I have experimented with placing an "Image" on the Report Detail > > lines, with hopes of changing the Images's "Picture" property on the > > fly for each detail line on the report. I cannot figure out how to > > do this. Perhaps Access 2007 does not allow this when using "Report > > View". > > > > I would guess that others may have run into similar situations and > > may have some advice. > > > > Thanks for your help, > > > > Brad > > > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From kismert at gmail.com Fri Oct 7 15:13:57 2011 From: kismert at gmail.com (Kenneth Ismert) Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2011 15:13:57 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] OT - John Colby - volunteer work with Prisons - Minnesota Public Radio program Message-ID: I rarely make OT comments, but here's the exception: I see a lot of similarity between political belief and religious belief. Virtually all of us today were told of the political or religious framework we adhere to. Even those who seek almost never invent a novel set of beliefs, but simply pick from available alternatives. We choose our belief systems for reasons that have very little to to with logic, and everything to do with emotion. Proof of this is that our tenets rarely hold up to unbiased, scientific scrutiny. If a particular belief was provably correct, shouldn't it be universally accepted, like the laws of gravitation, or the Pythagorean theorem? And yet, problematic as they are, our beliefs are very real to us, perhaps more real than any other aspect of our existence. So, we find ourselves today in this setting of global competing passed-down dogmas, that are fiercely believed in and passionately championed, in spite of scarce proof. In the old days, the obvious and often-used resolution to these conflicts was to kill or imprison the others, the infidels, the political apostates. For all their problems, frailties, and pitfalls, there is one thing that can be unequivocally said about modern, religion-neutral democracies: the streets are almost entirely free of bloodshed when power changes hands or religious movements gain ground, and the prisons are remarkably free of political and religious prisoners. So, before we give up, and condemn our current systems to the dust bin, let us consider the achievements of our more enlightened societies and their political systems. We have difficulties because these systems are imperfect. But anyone who suggests, or implies, that we should revert to the political systems of old has forgotten what truly horrible things those historical regimes could be. The only real way forward is to invent new structures that address our current grievances, while embedding even more deeply respect for our differences, based on a more solid, fundamental and complete understanding of who we are as as species. That is the current belief I irrationally and emotionally adhere to. -Ken ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: jwcolby > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving < > accessd at databaseadvisors.com> > Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2011 10:36:41 -0400 > Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT - John Colby - volunteer work with Prisons - > Minnesota Public Radio program > Dan, > > Sadly politics is broken, not just in the US but around the world. > > I did an 8 month training, one full weekend a month to learn to be an > advocate for people with disabilities. My daughter Allie has many > disabilities caused by a genetic duplication. One of the weekends was > dedicated to educating us on the political system, what special interests > means, lobbying and so forth. > > Elections are won with advertising, advertising costs money, and companies > (mostly) have money. But in the end it all comes down to people. Everyone > believes what they believe, are (have been) convinced of the "truth" of > their belief system. > > Republicans really do believe that government has no business being in the > "help" business, that it is the job of the people to help each other. > Democrats believe the opposite. People have become jaded and believe that > nobody cares any more and so stop caring themselves. > > Ignoring the names of the political parties, this is not an American > problem it is a world problem, which occurs any time there are so many > people that we no longer know our neighbors. I don't mean "know their face" > I mean "get to know" our neighbors. > > What we were shown in that weekend is that the primary job of a politician > is to get re-elected. The politician him/herself has a belief system but > unless (s)he can get (re)elected (s)he cannot implement the belief system. > Once elected, there are so many conflicting interests that (s)he cannot > really function effectively. > > The system truly is broken, and probably always has been. > > The only hope for mankind is for us to realize that we all stand together > or we all fall alone. People have to individually make an effort to help > others less fortunate than ourselves. Which is a lot of work, and there is > a college football game on... and after that is Dancing with the Stars... > and besides, what difference can I really make? > > :) > > > John W. Colby > Colby Consulting > > On 10/4/2011 5:17 PM, Dan Waters wrote: > >> John- some of this will change in the next election. Unfortunately, too >> many people need to learn things the hard way. And learning that voting >> carefully, not emotionally, is actually important. Politics is not a >> reality TV show - it's real people really getting hurt. >> >> Dan >> > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Arthur Fuller > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving < > accessd at databaseadvisors.com> > Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2011 11:10:51 -0400 > Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT - John Colby - volunteer work with Prisons - > Minnesota Public Radio program > I think that you are onto something here, JWC. And I am seriously unsure of > the consequences that I draw, but here they are: > > 1. Political parties of whatever stripe are by definition attacks on > popular > opinion. I don't see any other way to see this. Let us for example take a > hypothetical voter who is against abortion and also against religious > instruction in public schools. No party represents this theoretical person. > The inevitable result is that I choose the party that shares the most > number > of values and propositions with me, and that SUCKS. > > Tomorrow is Election Day in Ontario, and various polls indicate that either > the Libs or the Cons are slated to have a minority win, and in either case > that means that my party, the NDP, is going to hold the balance of power. > > On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 10:36 AM, jwcolby >wrote: > > From df.waters at comcast.net Fri Oct 7 16:04:33 2011 From: df.waters at comcast.net (Dan Waters) Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2011 16:04:33 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] OT - John Colby - volunteer work with Prisons - Minnesota Public Radio program In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <002d01cc8534$b6ba2d70$242e8850$@comcast.net> John - Nice Writeup! Our system is actually pretty good now, although I think that we really do need to go to public financing only for elected officials. With public financing, the only people our elected officials will be interested in is the people who vote for them, because there won't be anyone (or any corporation) funding their reelection campaigns. Our current Republicans, in the House, and in my Minnesota Legislature, seem to be beholden to a few very wealthy interests, and the US won't last too long if that continues to be the model of our government. Luckily in MN we elected a Democratic governor (by only 9000 votes), so the worst of what they wanted to do was avoided. Thanks! Dan PS - I believe that God (may have) created the universe. And since then he has not interfered. (I know - it's safe. But I'm sticking with it!) -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kenneth Ismert Sent: Friday, October 07, 2011 3:14 PM To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT - John Colby - volunteer work with Prisons - Minnesota Public Radio program I rarely make OT comments, but here's the exception: I see a lot of similarity between political belief and religious belief. Virtually all of us today were told of the political or religious framework we adhere to. Even those who seek almost never invent a novel set of beliefs, but simply pick from available alternatives. We choose our belief systems for reasons that have very little to to with logic, and everything to do with emotion. Proof of this is that our tenets rarely hold up to unbiased, scientific scrutiny. If a particular belief was provably correct, shouldn't it be universally accepted, like the laws of gravitation, or the Pythagorean theorem? And yet, problematic as they are, our beliefs are very real to us, perhaps more real than any other aspect of our existence. So, we find ourselves today in this setting of global competing passed-down dogmas, that are fiercely believed in and passionately championed, in spite of scarce proof. In the old days, the obvious and often-used resolution to these conflicts was to kill or imprison the others, the infidels, the political apostates. For all their problems, frailties, and pitfalls, there is one thing that can be unequivocally said about modern, religion-neutral democracies: the streets are almost entirely free of bloodshed when power changes hands or religious movements gain ground, and the prisons are remarkably free of political and religious prisoners. So, before we give up, and condemn our current systems to the dust bin, let us consider the achievements of our more enlightened societies and their political systems. We have difficulties because these systems are imperfect. But anyone who suggests, or implies, that we should revert to the political systems of old has forgotten what truly horrible things those historical regimes could be. The only real way forward is to invent new structures that address our current grievances, while embedding even more deeply respect for our differences, based on a more solid, fundamental and complete understanding of who we are as as species. That is the current belief I irrationally and emotionally adhere to. -Ken ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: jwcolby > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving < > accessd at databaseadvisors.com> > Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2011 10:36:41 -0400 > Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT - John Colby - volunteer work with Prisons - > Minnesota Public Radio program Dan, > > Sadly politics is broken, not just in the US but around the world. > > I did an 8 month training, one full weekend a month to learn to be an > advocate for people with disabilities. My daughter Allie has many > disabilities caused by a genetic duplication. One of the weekends was > dedicated to educating us on the political system, what special > interests means, lobbying and so forth. > > Elections are won with advertising, advertising costs money, and > companies > (mostly) have money. But in the end it all comes down to people. > Everyone believes what they believe, are (have been) convinced of the > "truth" of their belief system. > > Republicans really do believe that government has no business being in > the "help" business, that it is the job of the people to help each other. > Democrats believe the opposite. People have become jaded and believe > that nobody cares any more and so stop caring themselves. > > Ignoring the names of the political parties, this is not an American > problem it is a world problem, which occurs any time there are so many > people that we no longer know our neighbors. I don't mean "know their face" > I mean "get to know" our neighbors. > > What we were shown in that weekend is that the primary job of a > politician is to get re-elected. The politician him/herself has a > belief system but unless (s)he can get (re)elected (s)he cannot implement the belief system. > Once elected, there are so many conflicting interests that (s)he > cannot really function effectively. > > The system truly is broken, and probably always has been. > > The only hope for mankind is for us to realize that we all stand > together or we all fall alone. People have to individually make an > effort to help others less fortunate than ourselves. Which is a lot > of work, and there is a college football game on... and after that is Dancing with the Stars... > and besides, what difference can I really make? > > :) > > > John W. Colby > Colby Consulting > > On 10/4/2011 5:17 PM, Dan Waters wrote: > >> John- some of this will change in the next election. Unfortunately, >> too many people need to learn things the hard way. And learning that >> voting carefully, not emotionally, is actually important. Politics >> is not a reality TV show - it's real people really getting hurt. >> >> Dan >> > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Arthur Fuller > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving < > accessd at databaseadvisors.com> > Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2011 11:10:51 -0400 > Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT - John Colby - volunteer work with Prisons - > Minnesota Public Radio program I think that you are onto something > here, JWC. And I am seriously unsure of the consequences that I draw, > but here they are: > > 1. Political parties of whatever stripe are by definition attacks on > popular opinion. I don't see any other way to see this. Let us for > example take a hypothetical voter who is against abortion and also > against religious instruction in public schools. No party represents > this theoretical person. > The inevitable result is that I choose the party that shares the most > number of values and propositions with me, and that SUCKS. > > Tomorrow is Election Day in Ontario, and various polls indicate that > either the Libs or the Cons are slated to have a minority win, and in > either case that means that my party, the NDP, is going to hold the balance of power. > > On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 10:36 AM, jwcolby >wrote: > > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Fri Oct 7 16:10:25 2011 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2011 14:10:25 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] The Puzzle of Pancreatic Cancer: How Steve Jobs Did Not Beat the Odds--but Nobel Winner Ralph Steinman Did Message-ID: <30464E6BB70D47E4ADB7CB9AD4B82CF7@HAL9007> http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=pancreatic-cancer-type-jobs &WT.mc_id=SA_CAT_BS_20111007 Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software 858-259-4334 www.bchacc.com www.e-z-mrp.com From gustav at cactus.dk Fri Oct 7 16:47:10 2011 From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2011 23:47:10 +0200 Subject: [AccessD] 10 things I don't miss about Access Message-ID: Hi Susan You failed! Go to the bottom here ... but you have been warned: http://www.experts-exchange.com/Microsoft/Development/MS_Access/Q_27290867.html#a36933671 /gustav >>> ssharkins at gmail.com 07-10-2011 14:57 >>> Thanks Jim... I appreciate that. I tried hard not to tweak any noses. :) From ssharkins at gmail.com Fri Oct 7 16:57:23 2011 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2011 17:57:23 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] 10 things I don't miss about Access References: Message-ID: What am I looking for? Susan H. > Hi Susan > > You failed! > Go to the bottom here ... but you have been warned: > > http://www.experts-exchange.com/Microsoft/Development/MS_Access/Q_27290867.html#a36933671 > > /gustav > >>>> ssharkins at gmail.com 07-10-2011 14:57 >>> > Thanks Jim... I appreciate that. I tried hard not to tweak any noses. :) From jimdettman at verizon.net Fri Oct 7 17:42:28 2011 From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman) Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2011 18:42:28 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] 10 things I don't miss about Access In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1151AFBB-05CD-479D-8E94-EBC3B7AF7962@verizon.net> Gustav If you would, please post a link using the share feature at the top of the question That will allow everyone to read the thread with logged in view if they want to look. I'd do it but I am on mobile and you don't get the share option with that view. If you don't do it, I'll post latter when I get home Thanks Jim Sent from my iPhone On Oct 7, 2011, at 5:57 PM, "Susan Harkins" wrote: > What am I looking for? > > Susan H. > > >> Hi Susan >> >> You failed! >> Go to the bottom here ... but you have been warned: >> >> http://www.experts-exchange.com/Microsoft/Development/MS_Access/Q_27290867.html#a36933671 >> >> /gustav >> >>>>> ssharkins at gmail.com 07-10-2011 14:57 >>> >> Thanks Jim... I appreciate that. I tried hard not to tweak any noses. :) > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Fri Oct 7 18:09:16 2011 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2011 16:09:16 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] 10 things I don't miss about Access In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: What's it say - not a subscriber so I can't see it. Rocky -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: Friday, October 07, 2011 2:47 PM To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [AccessD] 10 things I don't miss about Access Hi Susan You failed! Go to the bottom here ... but you have been warned: http://www.experts-exchange.com/Microsoft/Development/MS_Access/Q_27290867.h tml#a36933671 /gustav >>> ssharkins at gmail.com 07-10-2011 14:57 >>> Thanks Jim... I appreciate that. I tried hard not to tweak any noses. :) -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jimdettman at verizon.net Fri Oct 7 18:18:56 2011 From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman) Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2011 19:18:56 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] 10 things I don't miss about Access In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Rocky, I'll post a link a little latter that will allow you and everyone else to read it without a sign-up. Jim Sent from my iPhone On Oct 7, 2011, at 7:09 PM, "Rocky Smolin" wrote: > What's it say - not a subscriber so I can't see it. > > Rocky > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock > Sent: Friday, October 07, 2011 2:47 PM > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com > Subject: Re: [AccessD] 10 things I don't miss about Access > > Hi Susan > > You failed! > Go to the bottom here ... but you have been warned: > > http://www.experts-exchange.com/Microsoft/Development/MS_Access/Q_27290867.h > tml#a36933671 > > /gustav > >>>> ssharkins at gmail.com 07-10-2011 14:57 >>> > Thanks Jim... I appreciate that. I tried hard not to tweak any noses. :) > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From ab-mi at post3.tele.dk Sat Oct 8 07:37:48 2011 From: ab-mi at post3.tele.dk (Asger Blond) Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2011 14:37:48 +0200 Subject: [AccessD] OT - John Colby - volunteer work with Prisons - Minnesota Public Radio program In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <01018F7E24CF49339BA54E4B38BC877F@abpc> Wise words - as are Winston Churchill's: "Many forms of Government have been tried, and will be tried in this world of sin and woe. No one pretends that democracy is perfect or all-wise. Indeed it has been said that democracy is the worst form of Government except for all those other forms that have been tried from time to time." Asger -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Kenneth Ismert Sendt: 7. oktober 2011 22:14 Til: accessd at databaseadvisors.com Emne: Re: [AccessD] OT - John Colby - volunteer work with Prisons - Minnesota Public Radio program I rarely make OT comments, but here's the exception: I see a lot of similarity between political belief and religious belief. Virtually all of us today were told of the political or religious framework we adhere to. Even those who seek almost never invent a novel set of beliefs, but simply pick from available alternatives. We choose our belief systems for reasons that have very little to to with logic, and everything to do with emotion. Proof of this is that our tenets rarely hold up to unbiased, scientific scrutiny. If a particular belief was provably correct, shouldn't it be universally accepted, like the laws of gravitation, or the Pythagorean theorem? And yet, problematic as they are, our beliefs are very real to us, perhaps more real than any other aspect of our existence. So, we find ourselves today in this setting of global competing passed-down dogmas, that are fiercely believed in and passionately championed, in spite of scarce proof. In the old days, the obvious and often-used resolution to these conflicts was to kill or imprison the others, the infidels, the political apostates. For all their problems, frailties, and pitfalls, there is one thing that can be unequivocally said about modern, religion-neutral democracies: the streets are almost entirely free of bloodshed when power changes hands or religious movements gain ground, and the prisons are remarkably free of political and religious prisoners. So, before we give up, and condemn our current systems to the dust bin, let us consider the achievements of our more enlightened societies and their political systems. We have difficulties because these systems are imperfect. But anyone who suggests, or implies, that we should revert to the political systems of old has forgotten what truly horrible things those historical regimes could be. The only real way forward is to invent new structures that address our current grievances, while embedding even more deeply respect for our differences, based on a more solid, fundamental and complete understanding of who we are as as species. That is the current belief I irrationally and emotionally adhere to. -Ken ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: jwcolby > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving < > accessd at databaseadvisors.com> > Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2011 10:36:41 -0400 > Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT - John Colby - volunteer work with Prisons - > Minnesota Public Radio program > Dan, > > Sadly politics is broken, not just in the US but around the world. > > I did an 8 month training, one full weekend a month to learn to be an > advocate for people with disabilities. My daughter Allie has many > disabilities caused by a genetic duplication. One of the weekends was > dedicated to educating us on the political system, what special interests > means, lobbying and so forth. > > Elections are won with advertising, advertising costs money, and companies > (mostly) have money. But in the end it all comes down to people. Everyone > believes what they believe, are (have been) convinced of the "truth" of > their belief system. > > Republicans really do believe that government has no business being in the > "help" business, that it is the job of the people to help each other. > Democrats believe the opposite. People have become jaded and believe that > nobody cares any more and so stop caring themselves. > > Ignoring the names of the political parties, this is not an American > problem it is a world problem, which occurs any time there are so many > people that we no longer know our neighbors. I don't mean "know their face" > I mean "get to know" our neighbors. > > What we were shown in that weekend is that the primary job of a politician > is to get re-elected. The politician him/herself has a belief system but > unless (s)he can get (re)elected (s)he cannot implement the belief system. > Once elected, there are so many conflicting interests that (s)he cannot > really function effectively. > > The system truly is broken, and probably always has been. > > The only hope for mankind is for us to realize that we all stand together > or we all fall alone. People have to individually make an effort to help > others less fortunate than ourselves. Which is a lot of work, and there is > a college football game on... and after that is Dancing with the Stars... > and besides, what difference can I really make? > > :) > > > John W. Colby > Colby Consulting > > On 10/4/2011 5:17 PM, Dan Waters wrote: > >> John- some of this will change in the next election. Unfortunately, too >> many people need to learn things the hard way. And learning that voting >> carefully, not emotionally, is actually important. Politics is not a >> reality TV show - it's real people really getting hurt. >> >> Dan >> > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Arthur Fuller > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving < > accessd at databaseadvisors.com> > Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2011 11:10:51 -0400 > Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT - John Colby - volunteer work with Prisons - > Minnesota Public Radio program > I think that you are onto something here, JWC. And I am seriously unsure of > the consequences that I draw, but here they are: > > 1. Political parties of whatever stripe are by definition attacks on > popular > opinion. I don't see any other way to see this. Let us for example take a > hypothetical voter who is against abortion and also against religious > instruction in public schools. No party represents this theoretical person. > The inevitable result is that I choose the party that shares the most > number > of values and propositions with me, and that SUCKS. > > Tomorrow is Election Day in Ontario, and various polls indicate that either > the Libs or the Cons are slated to have a minority win, and in either case > that means that my party, the NDP, is going to hold the balance of power. > > On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 10:36 AM, jwcolby >wrote: > > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jimdettman at verizon.net Sat Oct 8 08:12:59 2011 From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman) Date: Sat, 08 Oct 2011 09:12:59 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] 10 things I don't miss about Access In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: OK, for those interested, here's the link that will give you a logged in view of the EE thread that gustav mentioned: http://rdsrc.us/lIghoA Comments on Susan's article are the last fifteen or so comments at the bottom of the thread (about 2/3'rds of the way down - first comment was posted 10/7 at 4:29 pm). This is a continually running thread we have in the Access Zone, so there is a lot of stuff in the beginning that doesn't apply. Jim. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman Sent: Friday, October 07, 2011 07:19 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] 10 things I don't miss about Access Rocky, I'll post a link a little latter that will allow you and everyone else to read it without a sign-up. Jim Sent from my iPhone On Oct 7, 2011, at 7:09 PM, "Rocky Smolin" wrote: > What's it say - not a subscriber so I can't see it. > > Rocky > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock > Sent: Friday, October 07, 2011 2:47 PM > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com > Subject: Re: [AccessD] 10 things I don't miss about Access > > Hi Susan > > You failed! > Go to the bottom here ... but you have been warned: > > http://www.experts-exchange.com/Microsoft/Development/MS_Access/Q_27290867.h > tml#a36933671 > > /gustav > >>>> ssharkins at gmail.com 07-10-2011 14:57 >>> > Thanks Jim... I appreciate that. I tried hard not to tweak any noses. :) > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From ssharkins at gmail.com Sat Oct 8 09:38:08 2011 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2011 10:38:08 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] 10 things I don't miss about Access References: Message-ID: Wow... I'm always surprised when someone takes such a 180% turn of what I've written. It's like they don't really read what I've written at all. They don't agree with a specific point or they read the headings. Thanks to you and Gustav for championing my true intent. I appreciate that. FWIW, the people that fuss the loudest about my opinions, seem to have much stronger ones than mine. I always find that... interesting. And of course, after they trash you, sometimes personally, they get even madder because you don't say, "Oh my, you're so right, thank you for saving me from my folly!" I love Access, always have. I'm sorry to see MS taking it in the direction they have, but even so, I can still admit Access' short-comings. I think that's just being realistic and frankly, you need to do that in order to give your clients/users the best of what they really need. I love Access, but I'm not a junkie. :) Susan H. > > OK, for those interested, here's the link that will give you a logged in > view of the EE thread that gustav mentioned: > > http://rdsrc.us/lIghoA > > Comments on Susan's article are the last fifteen or so comments at the > bottom of the thread (about 2/3'rds of the way down - first comment was > posted 10/7 at 4:29 pm). > > This is a continually running thread we have in the Access Zone, so there > is a lot of stuff in the beginning that doesn't apply. From jimdettman at verizon.net Sat Oct 8 11:37:30 2011 From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman) Date: Sat, 08 Oct 2011 12:37:30 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] 10 things I don't miss about Access In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <584522BE54DB429788CFBDFD3D1D6073@XPS> Susan, Yes, I was surprised myself. First question I asked was; didn't they read it? Personally I think you hit it right on and they missed the point (and intent) entirely. The points you made were all ones that Access developers have lived with over the years. And FWIW, I KNOW they all have had to deal with the same issues(except for maybe Mark, who posted that first comment), which is why I don't understand some of those comments. And I do think your right; Microsoft is sliding Access towards the end-user end of the scale. We here all know it's much more then that, but it always has been marketed as an end-user tool and Microsoft seems to be focusing on that once again. Last couple of releases have been focused on simplifying things and adding end-user features rather then anything for developers. And long standing developer problems are simply not being addressed. What I see happening is Microsoft moving away from VBA for all of Office. Access developers will be either pushed into VS or Lightswitch, which will become Microsoft's light weight/RAD app development tool. Access may or may not remain in Office, but if it does, I think it will become a much simpler product. And before everyone gets up in arms about the "light weight" comment above, I do understand that you can do a wide range of things with Access and I do love it for that. But it does have some serious limitations. Access developers have been ingenious over the years in working around a lot of those limitations (i.e. lack of third party controls), but it has two serious problems that nothing can be done about; corruption and sensitivity to its environment. The latter is more of a reference to VBA and references, but how many of us have dealt with app install issues with either the full or run-time version? Or multiple versions on the same machine? If I asked those questions in a room full of developers, I bet you just about every hand would be raised. Personally I've been looking to move away from Access for quite some time as I am tired of dealing with the environment problems and the eye rolling every time I mention it. But I made the mistake of focusing on VFP. While it was more work then Access, it was also a lot more on the "developer" end of the scale. There was not much that you couldn't do with it. It was no where near as user friendly though. Just about everything was done from the command window. In fact I got laughed at a bit when I complained that I couldn't get the query designer to do a simple two table join right. The response was "no serious developer uses that". My only come back was "Why is it called VISUAL VFP then?" Got a lot of grumbles after that But the data environment alone when working with forms is something Access developers would kill for. Add to that the ability to compile into a true .EXE, work with just about any 3rd party control, build COM objects or DLL's, having unit testing capability, and being able to do n-tier designs, and it made it quite attractive. Microsoft unfortunately killed it just as I was coming up to speed with it, so I was back to square one looking for the next best thing. I keep trying to get into VS, but I keep getting pulled back into Access. I guess I should be thankful I'm still working and for all those users that do get in over their heads. Jim. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins Sent: Saturday, October 08, 2011 10:38 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] 10 things I don't miss about Access Wow... I'm always surprised when someone takes such a 180% turn of what I've written. It's like they don't really read what I've written at all. They don't agree with a specific point or they read the headings. Thanks to you and Gustav for championing my true intent. I appreciate that. FWIW, the people that fuss the loudest about my opinions, seem to have much stronger ones than mine. I always find that... interesting. And of course, after they trash you, sometimes personally, they get even madder because you don't say, "Oh my, you're so right, thank you for saving me from my folly!" I love Access, always have. I'm sorry to see MS taking it in the direction they have, but even so, I can still admit Access' short-comings. I think that's just being realistic and frankly, you need to do that in order to give your clients/users the best of what they really need. I love Access, but I'm not a junkie. :) Susan H. > > OK, for those interested, here's the link that will give you a logged in > view of the EE thread that gustav mentioned: > > http://rdsrc.us/lIghoA > > Comments on Susan's article are the last fifteen or so comments at the > bottom of the thread (about 2/3'rds of the way down - first comment was > posted 10/7 at 4:29 pm). > > This is a continually running thread we have in the Access Zone, so there > is a lot of stuff in the beginning that doesn't apply. -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Sat Oct 8 11:51:20 2011 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Sat, 08 Oct 2011 12:51:20 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] 10 things I don't miss about Access In-Reply-To: <584522BE54DB429788CFBDFD3D1D6073@XPS> References: <584522BE54DB429788CFBDFD3D1D6073@XPS> Message-ID: <4E907F88.6040905@colbyconsulting.com> >but it has two serious problems that nothing can be done about; corruption and sensitivity to its environment. Add another serious limitation, single threaded operation. And for programmers, lack of any kind of inheritance. I tried to build a sql server driver application in Access and failed miserably, and I have about as good a grasp of VBA as you will find. SQL Server would go out and do something for 15 minutes and the Access interface just locked up. SQL Server can do one or a hundred things simultaneously, but Access can only cause it to do one thing at a time, because Access only has one thread. I switched to C# and voila, I have a manager and three supervisors (4 threads) running asynchronous tasks simultaneously. SQL Server is doing BCP out and BCP in simultaneously and a supervisor is shoveling the files out to a VM for third party processing and pulling result files back in when that app is finished with a file. All with three separate status panes announcing progress to the user (me). Updating SQL Server supervisor and process flags to log the state of the process. C# is in another league entirely in terms of raw ability. John W. Colby Colby Consulting On 10/8/2011 12:37 PM, Jim Dettman wrote: > Susan, > > Yes, I was surprised myself. First question I asked was; didn't they read > it? Personally I think you hit it right on and they missed the point (and > intent) entirely. > > The points you made were all ones that Access developers have lived with > over the years. And FWIW, I KNOW they all have had to deal with the same > issues(except for maybe Mark, who posted that first comment), which is why I > don't understand some of those comments. > > And I do think your right; Microsoft is sliding Access towards the end-user > end of the scale. We here all know it's much more then that, but it always > has been marketed as an end-user tool and Microsoft seems to be focusing on > that once again. Last couple of releases have been focused on simplifying > things and adding end-user features rather then anything for developers. > And long standing developer problems are simply not being addressed. > > What I see happening is Microsoft moving away from VBA for all of Office. > Access developers will be either pushed into VS or Lightswitch, which will > become Microsoft's light weight/RAD app development tool. Access may or may > not remain in Office, but if it does, I think it will become a much simpler > product. > > And before everyone gets up in arms about the "light weight" comment above, > I do understand that you can do a wide range of things with Access and I do > love it for that. But it does have some serious limitations. Access > developers have been ingenious over the years in working around a lot of > those limitations (i.e. lack of third party controls), but it has two > serious problems that nothing can be done about; corruption and sensitivity > to its environment. The latter is more of a reference to VBA and > references, but how many of us have dealt with app install issues with > either the full or run-time version? Or multiple versions on the same > machine? If I asked those questions in a room full of developers, I bet you > just about every hand would be raised. > > Personally I've been looking to move away from Access for quite some time > as I am tired of dealing with the environment problems and the eye rolling > every time I mention it. But I made the mistake of focusing on VFP. While > it was more work then Access, it was also a lot more on the "developer" end > of the scale. There was not much that you couldn't do with it. It was no > where near as user friendly though. Just about everything was done from the > command window. In fact I got laughed at a bit when I complained that I > couldn't get the query designer to do a simple two table join right. The > response was "no serious developer uses that". My only come back was "Why > is it called VISUAL VFP then?" Got a lot of grumbles after that > > But the data environment alone when working with forms is something Access > developers would kill for. Add to that the ability to compile into a true > .EXE, work with just about any 3rd party control, build COM objects or > DLL's, having unit testing capability, and being able to do n-tier designs, > and it made it quite attractive. Microsoft unfortunately killed it just as > I was coming up to speed with it, so I was back to square one looking for > the next best thing. I keep trying to get into VS, but I keep getting > pulled back into Access. > > I guess I should be thankful I'm still working and for all those users > that do get in over their heads. > > Jim. From ssharkins at gmail.com Sat Oct 8 12:32:17 2011 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2011 13:32:17 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] 10 things I don't miss about Access References: <584522BE54DB429788CFBDFD3D1D6073@XPS> Message-ID: <627C21E726D54A59AD773CEE5025CCEF@SusanHarkins> Jim, you must have been reading my diary again. :) Susan H. > > And I do think your right; Microsoft is sliding Access towards the > end-user > end of the scale. We here all know it's much more then that, but it > always > has been marketed as an end-user tool and Microsoft seems to be focusing > on > that once again. Last couple of releases have been focused on simplifying > things and adding end-user features rather then anything for developers. > And long standing developer problems are simply not being addressed. > > What I see happening is Microsoft moving away from VBA for all of Office. > Access developers will be either pushed into VS or Lightswitch, which will > become Microsoft's light weight/RAD app development tool. Access may or > may > not remain in Office, but if it does, I think it will become a much > simpler > product. > > And before everyone gets up in arms about the "light weight" comment > above, > I do understand that you can do a wide range of things with Access and I > do > love it for that. But it does have some serious limitations. Access > developers have been ingenious over the years in working around a lot of > those limitations (i.e. lack of third party controls), but it has two > serious problems that nothing can be done about; corruption and > sensitivity > to its environment. The latter is more of a reference to VBA and > references, but how many of us have dealt with app install issues with > either the full or run-time version? Or multiple versions on the same > machine? If I asked those questions in a room full of developers, I bet > you > just about every hand would be raised. From BradM at blackforestltd.com Sat Oct 8 13:40:42 2011 From: BradM at blackforestltd.com (Brad Marks) Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2011 13:40:42 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Images (jpg files) on Access 2007 Report Detail Lines(Report View) References: <4E591854.8090208@colbyconsulting.com>, , <4E8F4C15.31859.D51965B@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: Stuart, Thanks for the help, I appreciate it. I put together a little test Access 2007 application and employed your ideas on how to place images (.jpg) files on Report Detail lines. This approach worked nicely when I opened the report with ?acViewPreview?. However, when I opened the report with ?acViewReport?, it appears that the Report?s Detail Line ?On Format? Event is not fired and therefore I am not able to change the ?Picture? property of the image to plug in the name of the desired jpg file. The other reports in the application that I am working on use acViewReport so that the users can have drill-downs, dynamic sorts, and dynamic filters. I would therefore like to stay with acViewReport if possible. Thanks again for the help. I am beginning to think that I might be trying to do something that is not easy to accomplish with acViewReport (Report View). Brad -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com on behalf of Stuart McLachlan Sent: Fri 10/7/2011 1:59 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Images (jpg files) on Access 2007 Report Detail Lines(Report View) I do this quite regularly with a simple text field to store the filename ( usually, I keep the images in a standard directory, just store the filename and build the full path/filename as required.) Then I just use something like this in the report: : Private Sub Detail_Format(Cancel As Integer, FormatCount As Integer) If PhotoName > "" And Dir$(PhotoDir() & PhotoName) > "" Then imgPhoto.Picture = PhotosDir() & PhotoName Else imgPhoto.Picture = PhotosDir() & "noimage.jpg" End If End Sub > > On Oct 7, 2011, at 12:06 PM, "Brad Marks" > wrote: > > > All, > > > > Earlier I posted a question about Attachment fields. I was able to > > find an answer to my question and I have a test application that > > works Okay, but it seems a bit complicated for what I am trying to > > do. > > > > I thought that if I explained what I am trying to accomplish, maybe > > someone would have some insights or suggestions. > > > > I am pulling "Part" information from a SQL Server database into > > Access 2007 via ODBC. One of the fields in the Parts table is the > > location of an image of the Part. (for example > > C:\Part_Images\Part001.jpg). > > > > I want to be able to use an Access 2007 Report (in Report View) to > > display the appropriate .jpg file for each detail line on the > > report. > > > > I am able to accomplish this via the use of a "temporary" Access > > table that has an Attachment field for the images. This works, but > > I wonder if there is a better/simpler approach. > > > > I have experimented with placing an "Image" on the Report Detail > > lines, with hopes of changing the Images's "Picture" property on the > > fly for each detail line on the report. I cannot figure out how to > > do this. Perhaps Access 2007 does not allow this when using "Report > > View". > > > > I would guess that others may have run into similar situations and > > may have some advice. > > > > Thanks for your help, > > > > Brad > > > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. From rbgajewski at roadrunner.com Sat Oct 8 16:36:46 2011 From: rbgajewski at roadrunner.com (Bob Gajewski) Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2011 17:36:46 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Images (jpg files) on Access 2007 Report DetailLines(Report View) In-Reply-To: References: <4E591854.8090208@colbyconsulting.com>, , <4E8F4C15.31859.D51965B@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <80F4728D638C4A689EECE904399EEF19@7B440585K> Hi Brad Here is some given to me by Gustav many moons ago .. And it has worked flawlessly ... Regards, Bob Gajewski Private Sub Detail_Format(Cancel As Integer, FormatCount As Integer) '******************** Code Begin **************** 'Code courtesy of Terry Kreft & Ken Getz '(modified from Function to Subroutine) Dim strDBName As String Dim strDBPath As String Dim strDBFile As String strDBName = CurrentDb.Name strDBFile = Dir(strDBName) strDBPath = Left(strDBName, Len(strDBName) - Len(strDBFile)) '******************** Code End ****************** '******************** Code Begin **************** 'Code courtesy of David McAfee and Gustav Brock '(modified for database specifics) Dim strPicture As String Dim strIsPicture As String Dim strNoPicture As String strIsPicture = strDBPath & "photos\mbr" & Format([MemberNumber], "000") & ".jpg" strNoPicture = strDBPath & "photos\nophoto.jpg" If Len(Dir(strIsPicture, vbNormal)) > 0 Then strPicture = strIsPicture Else strPicture = strNoPicture End If Me!imgMemberPhoto.Picture = strPicture '******************** Code End ****************** -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brad Marks Sent: Saturday, October 08, 2011 14:41 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Images (jpg files) on Access 2007 Report DetailLines(Report View) Stuart, Thanks for the help, I appreciate it. I put together a little test Access 2007 application and employed your ideas on how to place images (.jpg) files on Report Detail lines. This approach worked nicely when I opened the report with "acViewPreview". However, when I opened the report with "acViewReport", it appears that the Report's Detail Line "On Format" Event is not fired and therefore I am not able to change the "Picture" property of the image to plug in the name of the desired jpg file. The other reports in the application that I am working on use acViewReport so that the users can have drill-downs, dynamic sorts, and dynamic filters. I would therefore like to stay with acViewReport if possible. Thanks again for the help. I am beginning to think that I might be trying to do something that is not easy to accomplish with acViewReport (Report View). Brad -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com on behalf of Stuart McLachlan Sent: Fri 10/7/2011 1:59 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Images (jpg files) on Access 2007 Report Detail Lines(Report View) I do this quite regularly with a simple text field to store the filename ( usually, I keep the images in a standard directory, just store the filename and build the full path/filename as required.) Then I just use something like this in the report: : Private Sub Detail_Format(Cancel As Integer, FormatCount As Integer) If PhotoName > "" And Dir$(PhotoDir() & PhotoName) > "" Then imgPhoto.Picture = PhotosDir() & PhotoName Else imgPhoto.Picture = PhotosDir() & "noimage.jpg" End If End Sub > > On Oct 7, 2011, at 12:06 PM, "Brad Marks" > wrote: > > > All, > > > > Earlier I posted a question about Attachment fields. I was able to > > find an answer to my question and I have a test application that > > works Okay, but it seems a bit complicated for what I am trying to > > do. > > > > I thought that if I explained what I am trying to accomplish, maybe > > someone would have some insights or suggestions. > > > > I am pulling "Part" information from a SQL Server database into > > Access 2007 via ODBC. One of the fields in the Parts table is the > > location of an image of the Part. (for example > > C:\Part_Images\Part001.jpg). > > > > I want to be able to use an Access 2007 Report (in Report View) to > > display the appropriate .jpg file for each detail line on the > > report. > > > > I am able to accomplish this via the use of a "temporary" Access > > table that has an Attachment field for the images. This works, but > > I wonder if there is a better/simpler approach. > > > > I have experimented with placing an "Image" on the Report Detail > > lines, with hopes of changing the Images's "Picture" property on the > > fly for each detail line on the report. I cannot figure out how to > > do this. Perhaps Access 2007 does not allow this when using "Report > > View". > > > > I would guess that others may have run into similar situations and > > may have some advice. > > > > Thanks for your help, > > > > Brad > > > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Sat Oct 8 17:04:19 2011 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Sun, 09 Oct 2011 08:04:19 +1000 Subject: [AccessD] 10 things I don't miss about Access In-Reply-To: References: , Message-ID: <4E90C8E3.19731.347C755@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Access Zealots are like any other zealots such as freetards and apple fanbois (and warmistas? ) They take *any* perceived criticism of their chosen path as blasphemy. Once they detect any sign of it , they stop reading, close their minds and go on the attack. -- Stuart On 8 Oct 2011 at 10:38, Susan Harkins wrote: > Wow... I'm always surprised when someone takes such a 180% turn of > what I've written. It's like they don't really read what I've written > at all. They don't agree with a specific point or they read the > headings. Thanks to you and Gustav for championing my true intent. I > appreciate that. > > FWIW, the people that fuss the loudest about my opinions, seem to have > much stronger ones than mine. I always find that... interesting. And > of course, after they trash you, sometimes personally, they get even > madder because you don't say, "Oh my, you're so right, thank you for > saving me from my folly!" > > I love Access, always have. I'm sorry to see MS taking it in the > direction they have, but even so, I can still admit Access' > short-comings. I think that's just being realistic and frankly, you > need to do that in order to give your clients/users the best of what > they really need. I love Access, but I'm not a junkie. :) > > Susan H. > > > > > OK, for those interested, here's the link that will give you a > > logged in view of the EE thread that gustav mentioned: > > > > http://rdsrc.us/lIghoA > > > > Comments on Susan's article are the last fifteen or so comments at > > the > > bottom of the thread (about 2/3'rds of the way down - first comment > > was posted 10/7 at 4:29 pm). > > > > This is a continually running thread we have in the Access Zone, so > > there > > is a lot of stuff in the beginning that doesn't apply. > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Sat Oct 8 17:17:14 2011 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Sat, 08 Oct 2011 18:17:14 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] 10 things I don't miss about Access In-Reply-To: <4E90C8E3.19731.347C755@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: , <4E90C8E3.19731.347C755@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <4E90CBEA.1000601@colbyconsulting.com> You forgot the Inteliots John W. Colby Colby Consulting On 10/8/2011 6:04 PM, Stuart McLachlan wrote: > Access Zealots are like any other zealots such as freetards and apple fanbois (and > warmistas?) > > They take *any* perceived criticism of their chosen path as blasphemy. Once they detect any > sign of it , they stop reading, close their minds and go on the attack. > > From accessd at shaw.ca Sun Oct 9 01:03:02 2011 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2011 23:03:02 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] OT - John Colby - volunteer work with Prisons -Minnesota Public Radio program In-Reply-To: <01018F7E24CF49339BA54E4B38BC877F@abpc> References: <01018F7E24CF49339BA54E4B38BC877F@abpc> Message-ID: <14B78BF8B8B846F7A0F6F2B03EB1E0FB@creativesystemdesigns.com> Good wise words...but it still does not give a government a blank cheque because they just provide lip-service to the concept of democracy. Churchill, him-self was unceremoniously, kicked from power because he sent the army after striking workers...but at least it didn't take a revolution to oust him. Jim -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Asger Blond Sent: Saturday, October 08, 2011 5:38 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT - John Colby - volunteer work with Prisons -Minnesota Public Radio program Wise words - as are Winston Churchill's: "Many forms of Government have been tried, and will be tried in this world of sin and woe. No one pretends that democracy is perfect or all-wise. Indeed it has been said that democracy is the worst form of Government except for all those other forms that have been tried from time to time." Asger -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Kenneth Ismert Sendt: 7. oktober 2011 22:14 Til: accessd at databaseadvisors.com Emne: Re: [AccessD] OT - John Colby - volunteer work with Prisons - Minnesota Public Radio program I rarely make OT comments, but here's the exception: I see a lot of similarity between political belief and religious belief. Virtually all of us today were told of the political or religious framework we adhere to. Even those who seek almost never invent a novel set of beliefs, but simply pick from available alternatives. We choose our belief systems for reasons that have very little to to with logic, and everything to do with emotion. Proof of this is that our tenets rarely hold up to unbiased, scientific scrutiny. If a particular belief was provably correct, shouldn't it be universally accepted, like the laws of gravitation, or the Pythagorean theorem? And yet, problematic as they are, our beliefs are very real to us, perhaps more real than any other aspect of our existence. So, we find ourselves today in this setting of global competing passed-down dogmas, that are fiercely believed in and passionately championed, in spite of scarce proof. In the old days, the obvious and often-used resolution to these conflicts was to kill or imprison the others, the infidels, the political apostates. For all their problems, frailties, and pitfalls, there is one thing that can be unequivocally said about modern, religion-neutral democracies: the streets are almost entirely free of bloodshed when power changes hands or religious movements gain ground, and the prisons are remarkably free of political and religious prisoners. So, before we give up, and condemn our current systems to the dust bin, let us consider the achievements of our more enlightened societies and their political systems. We have difficulties because these systems are imperfect. But anyone who suggests, or implies, that we should revert to the political systems of old has forgotten what truly horrible things those historical regimes could be. The only real way forward is to invent new structures that address our current grievances, while embedding even more deeply respect for our differences, based on a more solid, fundamental and complete understanding of who we are as as species. That is the current belief I irrationally and emotionally adhere to. -Ken ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: jwcolby > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving < > accessd at databaseadvisors.com> > Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2011 10:36:41 -0400 > Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT - John Colby - volunteer work with Prisons - > Minnesota Public Radio program > Dan, > > Sadly politics is broken, not just in the US but around the world. > > I did an 8 month training, one full weekend a month to learn to be an > advocate for people with disabilities. My daughter Allie has many > disabilities caused by a genetic duplication. One of the weekends was > dedicated to educating us on the political system, what special interests > means, lobbying and so forth. > > Elections are won with advertising, advertising costs money, and companies > (mostly) have money. But in the end it all comes down to people. Everyone > believes what they believe, are (have been) convinced of the "truth" of > their belief system. > > Republicans really do believe that government has no business being in the > "help" business, that it is the job of the people to help each other. > Democrats believe the opposite. People have become jaded and believe that > nobody cares any more and so stop caring themselves. > > Ignoring the names of the political parties, this is not an American > problem it is a world problem, which occurs any time there are so many > people that we no longer know our neighbors. I don't mean "know their face" > I mean "get to know" our neighbors. > > What we were shown in that weekend is that the primary job of a politician > is to get re-elected. The politician him/herself has a belief system but > unless (s)he can get (re)elected (s)he cannot implement the belief system. > Once elected, there are so many conflicting interests that (s)he cannot > really function effectively. > > The system truly is broken, and probably always has been. > > The only hope for mankind is for us to realize that we all stand together > or we all fall alone. People have to individually make an effort to help > others less fortunate than ourselves. Which is a lot of work, and there is > a college football game on... and after that is Dancing with the Stars... > and besides, what difference can I really make? > > :) > > > John W. Colby > Colby Consulting > > On 10/4/2011 5:17 PM, Dan Waters wrote: > >> John- some of this will change in the next election. Unfortunately, too >> many people need to learn things the hard way. And learning that voting >> carefully, not emotionally, is actually important. Politics is not a >> reality TV show - it's real people really getting hurt. >> >> Dan >> > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Arthur Fuller > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving < > accessd at databaseadvisors.com> > Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2011 11:10:51 -0400 > Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT - John Colby - volunteer work with Prisons - > Minnesota Public Radio program > I think that you are onto something here, JWC. And I am seriously unsure of > the consequences that I draw, but here they are: > > 1. Political parties of whatever stripe are by definition attacks on > popular > opinion. I don't see any other way to see this. Let us for example take a > hypothetical voter who is against abortion and also against religious > instruction in public schools. No party represents this theoretical person. > The inevitable result is that I choose the party that shares the most > number > of values and propositions with me, and that SUCKS. > > Tomorrow is Election Day in Ontario, and various polls indicate that either > the Libs or the Cons are slated to have a minority win, and in either case > that means that my party, the NDP, is going to hold the balance of power. > > On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 10:36 AM, jwcolby >wrote: > > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Sun Oct 9 01:13:13 2011 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2011 23:13:13 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] 10 things I don't miss about Access In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2704F48FFD08482D81B04D436D8D4DB6@creativesystemdesigns.com> I think Microsoft should have moved MS Access into .Net and extended web capabilities. A transitional period would have been nice as well. Then MS could have had an excellent platform, that would run under any OS and browser, a huge set of trained developers ready to defend and build their products. Just cutting off a whole product line is not likely to garner much product and company loyalty. That is just my opinion but I have been working with Access since 2002...nearly 20 years. Jim -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins Sent: Saturday, October 08, 2011 7:38 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] 10 things I don't miss about Access Wow... I'm always surprised when someone takes such a 180% turn of what I've written. It's like they don't really read what I've written at all. They don't agree with a specific point or they read the headings. Thanks to you and Gustav for championing my true intent. I appreciate that. FWIW, the people that fuss the loudest about my opinions, seem to have much stronger ones than mine. I always find that... interesting. And of course, after they trash you, sometimes personally, they get even madder because you don't say, "Oh my, you're so right, thank you for saving me from my folly!" I love Access, always have. I'm sorry to see MS taking it in the direction they have, but even so, I can still admit Access' short-comings. I think that's just being realistic and frankly, you need to do that in order to give your clients/users the best of what they really need. I love Access, but I'm not a junkie. :) Susan H. > > OK, for those interested, here's the link that will give you a logged in > view of the EE thread that gustav mentioned: > > http://rdsrc.us/lIghoA > > Comments on Susan's article are the last fifteen or so comments at the > bottom of the thread (about 2/3'rds of the way down - first comment was > posted 10/7 at 4:29 pm). > > This is a continually running thread we have in the Access Zone, so there > is a lot of stuff in the beginning that doesn't apply. -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru Sun Oct 9 04:40:41 2011 From: shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov) Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2011 13:40:41 +0400 Subject: [AccessD] Drew Wutka memorial ideas In-Reply-To: <006701cc83c7$0c766cc0$25634640$@net> References: <01b301cc83b5$741defe0$5c59cfa0$@winhaven.net> <006701cc83c7$0c766cc0$25634640$@net> Message-ID: <55553C11DA024DEF8AE19CD0B4323CAE@nant> Yes, I'd definitely wire some money by PayPal to Drew's family/kids. I have just came back home and I have got read that tragic news about Drew's passing away. My deepest condolences to all of Drew's family and friends. -- Shamil -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Simms Sent: 6 ??????? 2011 ?. 5:27 To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Drew Wutka memorial ideas I'll definitely "chip in". I know this is not a warm and fuzzy way of doing it, but would PayPal be out of the question here ? I mean...it's at least convenient. The recipient could establish an account there within days. -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From marksimms at verizon.net Sun Oct 9 09:41:15 2011 From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms) Date: Sun, 09 Oct 2011 10:41:15 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] 10 things I don't miss about Access In-Reply-To: <584522BE54DB429788CFBDFD3D1D6073@XPS> References: <584522BE54DB429788CFBDFD3D1D6073@XPS> Message-ID: <007901cc8691$804a88d0$80df9a70$@net> Jim - What about Power Basic ? How does that stack-up relative to Access ? I know they've been continually improving that product....so it's not dead, But the user base must be very small. > But the data environment alone when working with forms is something > Access developers would kill for. Add to that the ability to compile into a > true .EXE, work with just about any 3rd party control, build COM objects or > DLL's, having unit testing capability, and being able to do n-tier > designs, and it made it quite attractive. Microsoft unfortunately killed it > just as I was coming up to speed with it, so I was back to square one looking > for the next best thing. I keep trying to get into VS, but I keep getting > pulled back into Access. From marksimms at verizon.net Sun Oct 9 09:42:53 2011 From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms) Date: Sun, 09 Oct 2011 10:42:53 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] 10 things I don't miss about Access In-Reply-To: <4E907F88.6040905@colbyconsulting.com> References: <584522BE54DB429788CFBDFD3D1D6073@XPS> <4E907F88.6040905@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <007a01cc8691$bab1dbe0$301593a0$@net> > C# is in another league entirely in terms of raw ability. John - I think it's the FRAMEWORK not just the language per se. From accessd at shaw.ca Sun Oct 9 10:56:50 2011 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2011 08:56:50 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] 10 things I don't miss about Access In-Reply-To: <007901cc8691$804a88d0$80df9a70$@net> References: <584522BE54DB429788CFBDFD3D1D6073@XPS> <007901cc8691$804a88d0$80df9a70$@net> Message-ID: <237A00C761104F3DB7D9F3FCBB4647D9@creativesystemdesigns.com> Let us not talk about Power Basic. Is that not the private preserve of Stuart? ;-) Jim -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Simms Sent: Sunday, October 09, 2011 7:41 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] 10 things I don't miss about Access Jim - What about Power Basic ? How does that stack-up relative to Access ? I know they've been continually improving that product....so it's not dead, But the user base must be very small. > But the data environment alone when working with forms is something > Access developers would kill for. Add to that the ability to compile into a > true .EXE, work with just about any 3rd party control, build COM objects or > DLL's, having unit testing capability, and being able to do n-tier > designs, and it made it quite attractive. Microsoft unfortunately killed it > just as I was coming up to speed with it, so I was back to square one looking > for the next best thing. I keep trying to get into VS, but I keep getting > pulled back into Access. -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Sun Oct 9 10:59:38 2011 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2011 08:59:38 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] 10 things I don't miss about Access In-Reply-To: <007a01cc8691$bab1dbe0$301593a0$@net> References: <584522BE54DB429788CFBDFD3D1D6073@XPS> <4E907F88.6040905@colbyconsulting.com> <007a01cc8691$bab1dbe0$301593a0$@net> Message-ID: <00211C4A69214F82A5DE08836B1A1362@creativesystemdesigns.com> MS Access was a framework for VB. There are many frameworks now, ones for Java, PHP and even .Net. Is Microsoft out the Framework business? Jim -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Simms Sent: Sunday, October 09, 2011 7:43 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] 10 things I don't miss about Access > C# is in another league entirely in terms of raw ability. John - I think it's the FRAMEWORK not just the language per se. -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Sun Oct 9 11:14:13 2011 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Sun, 09 Oct 2011 12:14:13 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] 10 things I don't miss about Access In-Reply-To: <007a01cc8691$bab1dbe0$301593a0$@net> References: <584522BE54DB429788CFBDFD3D1D6073@XPS> <4E907F88.6040905@colbyconsulting.com> <007a01cc8691$bab1dbe0$301593a0$@net> Message-ID: <4E91C855.6010001@colbyconsulting.com> Yes but the framework *is* the language. The language is literally a thin veneer over the framework. It calls down into the framework for everything. John W. Colby Colby Consulting On 10/9/2011 10:42 AM, Mark Simms wrote: >> C# is in another league entirely in terms of raw ability. > > John - I think it's the FRAMEWORK not just the language per se. > > > From shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru Sun Oct 9 13:36:11 2011 From: shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov) Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2011 22:36:11 +0400 Subject: [AccessD] 10 things I don't miss about Access In-Reply-To: <2704F48FFD08482D81B04D436D8D4DB6@creativesystemdesigns.com> References: <2704F48FFD08482D81B04D436D8D4DB6@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: Hi Jim -- <<< I have been working with Access since 2002...nearly 20 years. >>> Do you mean since November, 1992? (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Access) I have started to develop MS Access apps one year later - end of year 1993 - and in summer 1994 I have been feeling myself a kind of MS Access/VBA "Expert", really :) - I have got my first international MS Access project in summer 1995 and that was very heavy duty MS Access VBA/programming... ... with .NET/C#/VB.NET getting at "Expert" level takes 4-5 years I suppose (at least that was my experience) - still this .NET/C#/VB.NET/... development environment is so rapidly changing/evolving that one has to be learning constantly new and new technologies/programming concepts implemented in .NET and its main languages C#/VB.NET. In fact many of that "new concepts" are "good old ones" - as e.g. functional programming, lambda calculus - very useful stuff, `makes coding streamlined, ready for parallelization - have a look - http://blogs.msdn.com/b/ericwhite/archive/2006/10/04/fp-tutorial.aspx ... And MS Access/VBA has got into "stagnation/very slow evolution phase" since MS Access 2002/XP - then years for now... :( Thank you. -- Shamil -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: 9 ??????? 2011 ?. 10:13 To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] 10 things I don't miss about Access I think Microsoft should have moved MS Access into .Net and extended web capabilities. A transitional period would have been nice as well. Then MS could have had an excellent platform, that would run under any OS and browser, a huge set of trained developers ready to defend and build their products. Just cutting off a whole product line is not likely to garner much product and company loyalty. That is just my opinion but I have been working with Access since 2002...nearly 20 years. Jim From fuller.artful at gmail.com Sun Oct 9 14:43:06 2011 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2011 15:43:06 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Trouble referencing a control on another form Message-ID: I'm having trouble with the following scenario: I'm in one form (call it FormA). A button there opens another form (FormB), which displays a list of records and a pair of buttons (Copy and Close). The code in FormA opens FormB in dialog mode. The general idea here is that the user selects a record on FormB and hits the Copy button, whose code merely says "Me.Visible" = False. The code on the Close button closes the form. At this point, we are back on FormA, If FormB is still loaded, then I want to copy certain of its controls to controls of the same name on FormB. I've tried several approaches such as: With Me .MachineOrPress = Forms("FormB).MachineOrPress End With I also tried; Dim frm as form Set frm = Forms("FormB") With Me .MachineOrPress = frm.MachineOrPress End With In both cases, all I can see in Intellisense is the properties of FormB -- not the list of controls. I know there has to be a simple way to to refer to FormB's controls, but so far I haven't got it, and if I don't it soon I'll scrap this approach and use a recordset instead. Can anyone help me sort this out? TIA, Arthur From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Sun Oct 9 16:52:53 2011 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2011 07:52:53 +1000 Subject: [AccessD] 10 things I don't miss about Access In-Reply-To: <007901cc8691$804a88d0$80df9a70$@net> References: , <584522BE54DB429788CFBDFD3D1D6073@XPS>, <007901cc8691$804a88d0$80df9a70$@net> Message-ID: <4E9217B5.21112.863B768@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Completely different kettle of fish. That's llike asking how does C++ compare to Access. While you *could* do anything in PB or C++ that you can do in Access with a great deal of effort, they are complementary development tools rather than rivals. -- Stuart On 9 Oct 2011 at 10:41, Mark Simms wrote: > Jim - What about Power Basic ? How does that stack-up relative to > Access ? I know they've been continually improving that product....so > it's not dead, But the user base must be very small. > > > But the data environment alone when working with forms is > > something > > Access developers would kill for. Add to that the ability to > > compile into > a > > true .EXE, work with just about any 3rd party control, build COM > > objects > or > > DLL's, having unit testing capability, and being able to do n-tier > > designs, and it made it quite attractive. Microsoft unfortunately > > killed > it > > just as I was coming up to speed with it, so I was back to square > > one > looking > > for the next best thing. I keep trying to get into VS, but I keep > > getting pulled back into Access. > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Sun Oct 9 16:59:04 2011 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2011 07:59:04 +1000 Subject: [AccessD] Trouble referencing a control on another form In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4E921928.27411.86960A2@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Forms("FormB).Form!MachineOrPress -- Stuart On 9 Oct 2011 at 15:43, Arthur Fuller wrote: > I'm having trouble with the following scenario: > > I'm in one form (call it FormA). A button there opens another form > (FormB), which displays a list of records and a pair of buttons (Copy > and Close). The code in FormA opens FormB in dialog mode. The general > idea here is that the user selects a record on FormB and hits the Copy > button, whose code merely says "Me.Visible" = False. The code on the > Close button closes the form. At this point, we are back on FormA, If > FormB is still loaded, then I want to copy certain of its controls to > controls of the same name on FormB. > > I've tried several approaches such as: > > With Me > .MachineOrPress = Forms("FormB).MachineOrPress > End With > > I also tried; > > Dim frm as form > Set frm = Forms("FormB") > With Me > .MachineOrPress = frm.MachineOrPress > End With > > In both cases, all I can see in Intellisense is the properties of > FormB -- not the list of controls. > > I know there has to be a simple way to to refer to FormB's controls, > but so far I haven't got it, and if I don't it soon I'll scrap this > approach and use a recordset instead. > > Can anyone help me sort this out? > > TIA, > Arthur > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From fuller.artful at gmail.com Sun Oct 9 18:09:54 2011 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2011 19:09:54 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Trouble referencing a control on another form In-Reply-To: <4E921928.27411.86960A2@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: <4E921928.27411.86960A2@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: I'll give that a shot. Thanks. But I'm kind of surprised that the bang works while the dot doesn't. A. On Sun, Oct 9, 2011 at 5:59 PM, Stuart McLachlan wrote: > Forms("FormB).Form!MachineOrPress > > -- > Stuart > > From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Sun Oct 9 18:25:29 2011 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2011 09:25:29 +1000 Subject: [AccessD] Trouble referencing a control on another form In-Reply-To: References: , <4E921928.27411.86960A2@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>, Message-ID: <4E922D69.15203.8B87C3E@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> It's not the bang, it's the addition of "Form" -- Stuart On 9 Oct 2011 at 19:09, Arthur Fuller wrote: > I'll give that a shot. Thanks. But I'm kind of surprised that the bang > works while the dot doesn't. > > A. > > On Sun, Oct 9, 2011 at 5:59 PM, Stuart McLachlan > wrote: > > > Forms("FormB).Form!MachineOrPress > > > > -- > > Stuart > > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au Sun Oct 9 18:45:59 2011 From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins) Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2011 10:45:59 +1100 Subject: [AccessD] Trouble referencing a control on another form In-Reply-To: <4E922D69.15203.8B87C3E@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: , <4E921928.27411.86960A2@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>, <4E922D69.15203.8B87C3E@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <001401cc86dd$9941ea30$cbc5be90$@com.au> In simple terms: <> Cheers Darryl -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan Sent: Monday, 10 October 2011 10:25 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Trouble referencing a control on another form It's not the bang, it's the addition of "Form" -- Stuart On 9 Oct 2011 at 19:09, Arthur Fuller wrote: > I'll give that a shot. Thanks. But I'm kind of surprised that the bang > works while the dot doesn't. > > A. > > On Sun, Oct 9, 2011 at 5:59 PM, Stuart McLachlan > wrote: > > > Forms("FormB).Form!MachineOrPress > > > > -- > > Stuart > > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au Sun Oct 9 18:47:42 2011 From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins) Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2011 10:47:42 +1100 Subject: [AccessD] Trouble referencing a control on another form In-Reply-To: References: <4E921928.27411.86960A2@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <001501cc86dd$d67c8180$83758480$@com.au> Actually, this is what I was looking for.... Been a while. <> I found this to be super useful when it comes to dealing with forms, subforms and controls. Cheers Darryl. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Monday, 10 October 2011 10:10 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Trouble referencing a control on another form I'll give that a shot. Thanks. But I'm kind of surprised that the bang works while the dot doesn't. A. On Sun, Oct 9, 2011 at 5:59 PM, Stuart McLachlan wrote: > Forms("FormB).Form!MachineOrPress > > -- > Stuart > > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru Mon Oct 10 01:15:57 2011 From: shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov) Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2011 10:15:57 +0400 Subject: [AccessD] Writing and Hosting a Web Service in the SharePoint 2010 Demo Virtual Machine... Message-ID: <4D3A0180687B4AF8B4695CC635BAA56A@nant> Hi All -- In this article/blog entry: Writing and Hosting a Web Service in the SharePoint 2010 Demo Virtual Machine http://blogs.msdn.com/b/ericwhite/archive/2010/07/16/writing-and-hosting-a-w eb-service-in-the-sharepoint-2010-demo-virtual-machine.aspx the author refers to a test virtual machine image with SharePoint 2010 configured: "My favorite way to develop/experiment/write about SharePoint 2010 is to use the 2010 Information Worker Demonstration and Evaluation Virtual Machine. It is a great virtual machine - finely tuned, and has all of the necessary software installed, including SharePoint Server 2010, Visual Studio 2010, Office 2010, etc. I do on occasion build my own virtual machines when absolutely necessary, but I consider it a necessary evil, not something that I enjoy." The link directs to "http://www.microsoft.com/download/en/details.aspx?displaylang=en&id=21099" but VM isn't available there for downloading. Do you know is it still available for free downloading from MS web site? (Was it a free download?) Thank you. -- Shamil From shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru Mon Oct 10 01:37:06 2011 From: shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov) Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2011 10:37:06 +0400 Subject: [AccessD] [dba-VB] Writing and Hosting a Web Service in the SharePoint 2010Demo Virtual Machine... In-Reply-To: <4D3A0180687B4AF8B4695CC635BAA56A@nant> References: <4D3A0180687B4AF8B4695CC635BAA56A@nant> Message-ID: <7360072243CB49A7909DE5AC1AC87336@nant> Hi All -- I have found this link related to the subject: Download Microsoft FAST Search Server 2010 for SharePoint Trial today http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/evalcenter/ee424282 It looks good but it's "too much" - I just need a demo/trial VM with SharePoint 2010 Server configured to test some C#/OpenXML SDK/VBA + SharePoint coding. Is there SharePoint 2010 running in 32bit system environments? If not is it possible to run 64bit virtual machine on 32bit systems? - should be possible I guess, might be slow - no problem Thank you. -- Shamil -----Original Message----- From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil Salakhetdinov Sent: 10 ??????? 2011 ?. 10:16 To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Cc: 'Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues.' Subject: [dba-VB] Writing and Hosting a Web Service in the SharePoint 2010Demo Virtual Machine... Hi All -- In this article/blog entry: Writing and Hosting a Web Service in the SharePoint 2010 Demo Virtual Machine http://blogs.msdn.com/b/ericwhite/archive/2010/07/16/writing-and-hosting-a-w eb-service-in-the-sharepoint-2010-demo-virtual-machine.aspx the author refers to a test virtual machine image with SharePoint 2010 configured: "My favorite way to develop/experiment/write about SharePoint 2010 is to use the 2010 Information Worker Demonstration and Evaluation Virtual Machine. It is a great virtual machine - finely tuned, and has all of the necessary software installed, including SharePoint Server 2010, Visual Studio 2010, Office 2010, etc. I do on occasion build my own virtual machines when absolutely necessary, but I consider it a necessary evil, not something that I enjoy." The link directs to "http://www.microsoft.com/download/en/details.aspx?displaylang=en&id=21099" but VM isn't available there for downloading. Do you know is it still available for free downloading from MS web site? (Was it a free download?) Thank you. -- Shamil _______________________________________________ dba-VB mailing list dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb http://www.databaseadvisors.com From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk Mon Oct 10 01:57:53 2011 From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid) Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2011 07:57:53 +0100 Subject: [AccessD] Writing and Hosting a Web Service in the SharePoint 2010 Demo Virtual Machine... Message-ID: <631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB082956A302CE171@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk> It should be there and its free but times out at 180 days. Martin Sent from my Windows Phone ________________________________ From: Shamil Salakhetdinov Sent: 10/10/2011 07:19 To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Cc: 'Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues.' Subject: [AccessD] Writing and Hosting a Web Service in the SharePoint 2010 Demo Virtual Machine... Hi All -- In this article/blog entry: Writing and Hosting a Web Service in the SharePoint 2010 Demo Virtual Machine http://blogs.msdn.com/b/ericwhite/archive/2010/07/16/writing-and-hosting-a-w eb-service-in-the-sharepoint-2010-demo-virtual-machine.aspx the author refers to a test virtual machine image with SharePoint 2010 configured: "My favorite way to develop/experiment/write about SharePoint 2010 is to use the 2010 Information Worker Demonstration and Evaluation Virtual Machine. It is a great virtual machine - finely tuned, and has all of the necessary software installed, including SharePoint Server 2010, Visual Studio 2010, Office 2010, etc. I do on occasion build my own virtual machines when absolutely necessary, but I consider it a necessary evil, not something that I enjoy." The link directs to "http://www.microsoft.com/download/en/details.aspx?displaylang=en&id=21099" but VM isn't available there for downloading. Do you know is it still available for free downloading from MS web site? (Was it a free download?) Thank you. -- Shamil -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Mon Oct 10 08:04:25 2011 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2011 09:04:25 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Select one of several open forms Message-ID: I have a main form, another form (FormA) and a popup (FormB). When the user enters values in the popup, I hide that form. The intent is to then copy some values back to FormA and then close FormB. That part seems to work fine. The problem is that control is returning to the main form rather than to FormA. I recall that there is a way to set the focus specifically to any given open form but I can't remember it. Is it as simple as "FormA.SetFocus"? TIA, Arthur From ab-mi at post3.tele.dk Mon Oct 10 08:18:59 2011 From: ab-mi at post3.tele.dk (Asger Blond) Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2011 15:18:59 +0200 Subject: [AccessD] Select one of several open forms In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Forms("FormA").SetFocus Asger -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Arthur Fuller Sendt: 10. oktober 2011 15:04 Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Emne: [AccessD] Select one of several open forms I have a main form, another form (FormA) and a popup (FormB). When the user enters values in the popup, I hide that form. The intent is to then copy some values back to FormA and then close FormB. That part seems to work fine. The problem is that control is returning to the main form rather than to FormA. I recall that there is a way to set the focus specifically to any given open form but I can't remember it. Is it as simple as "FormA.SetFocus"? TIA, Arthur -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From darren at activebilling.com.au Mon Oct 10 08:24:21 2011 From: darren at activebilling.com.au (Darren - Active Billing) Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 00:24:21 +1100 Subject: [AccessD] Select one of several open forms In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <003b01cc874f$ed0d74f0$c7285ed0$@activebilling.com.au> Hi Arthur Something like... Forms!formA!SomeControlOnFormA.setfocus Is what I do. I always have a "transparent" command button on each and every one of my forms called "TabBlank". It has its tab property set to zero and is always my 'resting place' for the cursor when I need one, and an attachment point too (as in this case) when I need one. I can refer to it in code when things are 'running' (Send the cursor there) and when I need to disable controls, I send the focus there too for neatness to avoid "you can't disable the current control" messages - That sort of stuff. I don't always like returning to a data entry field (Unless required). As access (depending on configuration options) usually highlights the value in the field when the focus arrives. Users (I dunno why) often like to hit the space bar when returning to their screens especially if their screen saver is on. Often deleting the contents of the selected field. So I usually do something like Forms!frForma!TabBlank.setfocus Hope this helps See ya Darren -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Tuesday, 11 October 2011 12:04 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: [AccessD] Select one of several open forms I have a main form, another form (FormA) and a popup (FormB). When the user enters values in the popup, I hide that form. The intent is to then copy some values back to FormA and then close FormB. That part seems to work fine. The problem is that control is returning to the main form rather than to FormA. I recall that there is a way to set the focus specifically to any given open form but I can't remember it. Is it as simple as "FormA.SetFocus"? TIA, Arthur -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Mon Oct 10 08:27:55 2011 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2011 09:27:55 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Select one of several open forms In-Reply-To: <003b01cc874f$ed0d74f0$c7285ed0$@activebilling.com.au> References: <003b01cc874f$ed0d74f0$c7285ed0$@activebilling.com.au> Message-ID: Thanks to both of you. Arthur From shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru Mon Oct 10 08:43:56 2011 From: shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov) Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2011 17:43:56 +0400 Subject: [AccessD] Writing and Hosting a Web Service in the SharePoint 2010 Demo Virtual Machine... In-Reply-To: <631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB082956A302CE171@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk> References: <631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB082956A302CE171@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk> Message-ID: Thank you Martin, And do you know there exist any paid (economical class - pay per API call - something like that) SharePoint hosting services with SharePoint 2010 Word Automation Services (http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ff742315.aspx) and SharePoint 2010 Excel Services (http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ff640648.aspx) ? Thank you. -- Shamil -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Martin Reid Sent: 10 ??????? 2011 ?. 10:58 To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Cc: 'Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues.' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Writing and Hosting a Web Service in the SharePoint 2010 Demo Virtual Machine... It should be there and its free but times out at 180 days. Martin Sent from my Windows Phone ________________________________ From: Shamil Salakhetdinov Sent: 10/10/2011 07:19 To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Cc: 'Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues.' Subject: [AccessD] Writing and Hosting a Web Service in the SharePoint 2010 Demo Virtual Machine... Hi All -- In this article/blog entry: Writing and Hosting a Web Service in the SharePoint 2010 Demo Virtual Machine http://blogs.msdn.com/b/ericwhite/archive/2010/07/16/writing-and-hosting-a-w eb-service-in-the-sharepoint-2010-demo-virtual-machine.aspx the author refers to a test virtual machine image with SharePoint 2010 configured: "My favorite way to develop/experiment/write about SharePoint 2010 is to use the 2010 Information Worker Demonstration and Evaluation Virtual Machine. It is a great virtual machine - finely tuned, and has all of the necessary software installed, including SharePoint Server 2010, Visual Studio 2010, Office 2010, etc. I do on occasion build my own virtual machines when absolutely necessary, but I consider it a necessary evil, not something that I enjoy." The link directs to "http://www.microsoft.com/download/en/details.aspx?displaylang=en&id=21099" but VM isn't available there for downloading. Do you know is it still available for free downloading from MS web site? (Was it a free download?) Thank you. -- Shamil -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Mon Oct 10 10:47:51 2011 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2011 11:47:51 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] OT - John Colby - volunteer work with Prisons -Minnesota Public Radio program In-Reply-To: <14B78BF8B8B846F7A0F6F2B03EB1E0FB@creativesystemdesigns.com> References: <01018F7E24CF49339BA54E4B38BC877F@abpc> <14B78BF8B8B846F7A0F6F2B03EB1E0FB@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: It's also worth noting that Churchill was referring to parliamentary democracy, as practised in Britain and Canada among others. By this definition, the USA is not a democracy but rather a republic, and there are several large differences. Ask William Hindman, if you doubt this, but for starters the relative weight of the fed vs. the states; the electoral college, and on the other side, the ability of political parties in Britain and Canada to replace their leaders at will, whether or not said leader is Prime Minister. Arthur On Sun, Oct 9, 2011 at 2:03 AM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > Good wise words...but it still does not give a government a blank cheque > because they just provide lip-service to the concept of democracy. > > Churchill, him-self was unceremoniously, kicked from power because he sent > the army after striking workers...but at least it didn't take a revolution > to oust him. > > Jim > > From okiearcher at gmail.com Mon Oct 10 12:36:08 2011 From: okiearcher at gmail.com (Keith) Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2011 12:36:08 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Update schedule table with new dates Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20111010123452.0313c588@mail.archersworld.com> Hi all. I posted this message to Access-L this morning with no response, so I was wondering if anyone here could help me. I have a need to develop a process (or modify an existing) to update a table. Let's say I have tblSched with fields like: strStoreNum, strLocation, dteBidDate, dtePossessionDate, dteOpenDate. Each week my users update a new Excel schedule sheet and put it in a common network directory. I need to develop or find a function that will go out to the network folder import the Excel file into a new table, and update the tblSched with any CHANGED dates from the newly imported table. (Or I could just do a compare to the Excel sheet without importing, if that works better.) I also need to add any new stores to the tblSched that are included in the new Excel sheet that were not in the table prior to the update. I am just preliminarily assuming that this will involve Append and Update queries, or looping through individual records/fields in the two tables. Are there any functions out there that will come close to doing what I am try to do? Thanks. Keith From charlotte.foust at gmail.com Mon Oct 10 15:44:34 2011 From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust) Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2011 13:44:34 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Update schedule table with new dates In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20111010123452.0313c588@mail.archersworld.com> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20111010123452.0313c588@mail.archersworld.com> Message-ID: If by a "function" you mean something built in, no. If you want code to do it, that may be doable, but you need to tell us what version of Access you're using and what exactly you are trying to accomplish in more detail. It sounds like you have mutliple users entering data into an Excel workbook, but is it a shared workbook or multiple workbooks? Does it have a single worksheet or multiples, i.e., one for each user, or what? What data field or fields are you keying off of on the spreadsheet, and what kind of keys do you have in the Access tables. What do you want to do with the data once it's in Access? That determines data structures and a bunch of other things. Fill in the blanks, and someone may be able to help. Charlotte Foust On Mon, Oct 10, 2011 at 10:36 AM, Keith wrote: > Hi all. > > I posted this message to Access-L this morning with no response, so I was > wondering if anyone here could help me. > > I have a need to develop a process (or modify an existing) to update a > table. Let's say I have tblSched with fields like: strStoreNum, strLocation, > dteBidDate, dtePossessionDate, dteOpenDate. > > Each week my users update a new Excel schedule sheet and put it in a common > network directory. I need to develop or find a function that will go out to > the network folder import the Excel file into a new table, and update the > tblSched with any CHANGED dates from the newly imported table. (Or I could > just do a compare to the Excel sheet without importing, if that works > better.) > > I also need to add any new stores to the tblSched that are included in the > new Excel sheet that were not in the table prior to the update. > > I am just preliminarily assuming that this will involve Append and Update > queries, or looping through individual records/fields in the two tables. > > Are there any functions out there that will come close to doing what I am > try to do? > > Thanks. > Keith > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/accessd > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.**com > > > From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Mon Oct 10 16:07:05 2011 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 07:07:05 +1000 Subject: [AccessD] Update schedule table with new dates In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20111010123452.0313c588@mail.archersworld.com> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20111010123452.0313c588@mail.archersworld.com> Message-ID: <4E935E79.26994.D60259F@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> In addition to Charlotte's questions: How do you differentiate between changed and new schedule items? On 10 Oct 2011 at 12:36, Keith wrote: > Hi all. > > I posted this message to Access-L this morning with no response, so I > was wondering if anyone here could help me. > > I have a need to develop a process (or modify an existing) to update a > table. Let's say I have tblSched with fields like: strStoreNum, > strLocation, dteBidDate, dtePossessionDate, dteOpenDate. > > Each week my users update a new Excel schedule sheet and put it in a > common network directory. I need to develop or find a function that > will go out to the network folder import the Excel file into a new > table, and update the tblSched with any CHANGED dates from the newly > imported table. (Or I could just do a compare to the Excel sheet > without importing, if that works better.) > > I also need to add any new stores to the tblSched that are included in > the new Excel sheet that were not in the table prior to the update. > > I am just preliminarily assuming that this will involve Append and > Update queries, or looping through individual records/fields in the > two tables. > > Are there any functions out there that will come close to doing what I > am try to do? > > Thanks. > Keith > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From charlotte.foust at gmail.com Mon Oct 10 16:16:46 2011 From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust) Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2011 14:16:46 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] 10 things I don't miss about Access In-Reply-To: <2704F48FFD08482D81B04D436D8D4DB6@creativesystemdesigns.com> References: <2704F48FFD08482D81B04D436D8D4DB6@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: Jim, I've worked with Access since version 1 in 1992. It was a great app, with the emphasis on *was*. I agree, it would have been great to move into .Net, but they already had VS, and frankly once you work with that, it's really hard to tolerate the limitations of Access. Charlotte Foust On Sat, Oct 8, 2011 at 11:13 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > I think Microsoft should have moved MS Access into .Net and extended web > capabilities. A transitional period would have been nice as well. > > Then MS could have had an excellent platform, that would run under any OS > and browser, a huge set of trained developers ready to defend and build > their products. Just cutting off a whole product line is not likely to > garner much product and company loyalty. > > That is just my opinion but I have been working with Access since > 2002...nearly 20 years. > > Jim > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins > Sent: Saturday, October 08, 2011 7:38 AM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] 10 things I don't miss about Access > > Wow... I'm always surprised when someone takes such a 180% turn of what > I've > > written. It's like they don't really read what I've written at all. They > don't agree with a specific point or they read the headings. Thanks to you > and Gustav for championing my true intent. I appreciate that. > > FWIW, the people that fuss the loudest about my opinions, seem to have much > stronger ones than mine. I always find that... interesting. And of course, > after they trash you, sometimes personally, they get even madder because > you > > don't say, "Oh my, you're so right, thank you for saving me from my folly!" > > > I love Access, always have. I'm sorry to see MS taking it in the direction > they have, but even so, I can still admit Access' short-comings. I think > that's just being realistic and frankly, you need to do that in order to > give your clients/users the best of what they really need. I love Access, > but I'm not a junkie. :) > > Susan H. > > > > > OK, for those interested, here's the link that will give you a logged in > > view of the EE thread that gustav mentioned: > > > > http://rdsrc.us/lIghoA > > > > > > Comments on Susan's article are the last fifteen or so comments at the > > bottom of the thread (about 2/3'rds of the way down - first comment was > > posted 10/7 at 4:29 pm). > > > > This is a continually running thread we have in the Access Zone, so > there > > is a lot of stuff in the beginning that doesn't apply. > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > From accessd at shaw.ca Mon Oct 10 23:35:29 2011 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2011 21:35:29 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] 10 things I don't miss about Access In-Reply-To: References: <2704F48FFD08482D81B04D436D8D4DB6@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: <6C3B3CFE6C954B7B81F5A7E54CCA446D@creativesystemdesigns.com> Yes...thanks for catching that Shamil. Jim -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil Salakhetdinov Sent: Sunday, October 09, 2011 11:36 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] 10 things I don't miss about Access Hi Jim -- <<< I have been working with Access since 2002...nearly 20 years. >>> Do you mean since November, 1992? (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Access) I have started to develop MS Access apps one year later - end of year 1993 - and in summer 1994 I have been feeling myself a kind of MS Access/VBA "Expert", really :) - I have got my first international MS Access project in summer 1995 and that was very heavy duty MS Access VBA/programming... ... with .NET/C#/VB.NET getting at "Expert" level takes 4-5 years I suppose (at least that was my experience) - still this .NET/C#/VB.NET/... development environment is so rapidly changing/evolving that one has to be learning constantly new and new technologies/programming concepts implemented in .NET and its main languages C#/VB.NET. In fact many of that "new concepts" are "good old ones" - as e.g. functional programming, lambda calculus - very useful stuff, `makes coding streamlined, ready for parallelization - have a look - http://blogs.msdn.com/b/ericwhite/archive/2006/10/04/fp-tutorial.aspx ... And MS Access/VBA has got into "stagnation/very slow evolution phase" since MS Access 2002/XP - then years for now... :( Thank you. -- Shamil -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: 9 ??????? 2011 ?. 10:13 To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] 10 things I don't miss about Access I think Microsoft should have moved MS Access into .Net and extended web capabilities. A transitional period would have been nice as well. Then MS could have had an excellent platform, that would run under any OS and browser, a huge set of trained developers ready to defend and build their products. Just cutting off a whole product line is not likely to garner much product and company loyalty. That is just my opinion but I have been working with Access since 2002...nearly 20 years. Jim -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Mon Oct 10 23:55:31 2011 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2011 21:55:31 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] 10 things I don't miss about Access In-Reply-To: References: <2704F48FFD08482D81B04D436D8D4DB6@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: <592ABE68D47C4655A19A933A21F5CB66@creativesystemdesigns.com> I do realize MS Access is now really a limited product and the truth is I have moved on but maybe I am just a little sentimental. ;-) Jim -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust Sent: Monday, October 10, 2011 2:17 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] 10 things I don't miss about Access Jim, I've worked with Access since version 1 in 1992. It was a great app, with the emphasis on *was*. I agree, it would have been great to move into .Net, but they already had VS, and frankly once you work with that, it's really hard to tolerate the limitations of Access. Charlotte Foust On Sat, Oct 8, 2011 at 11:13 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > I think Microsoft should have moved MS Access into .Net and extended web > capabilities. A transitional period would have been nice as well. > > Then MS could have had an excellent platform, that would run under any OS > and browser, a huge set of trained developers ready to defend and build > their products. Just cutting off a whole product line is not likely to > garner much product and company loyalty. > > That is just my opinion but I have been working with Access since > 2002...nearly 20 years. > > Jim > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins > Sent: Saturday, October 08, 2011 7:38 AM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] 10 things I don't miss about Access > > Wow... I'm always surprised when someone takes such a 180% turn of what > I've > > written. It's like they don't really read what I've written at all. They > don't agree with a specific point or they read the headings. Thanks to you > and Gustav for championing my true intent. I appreciate that. > > FWIW, the people that fuss the loudest about my opinions, seem to have much > stronger ones than mine. I always find that... interesting. And of course, > after they trash you, sometimes personally, they get even madder because > you > > don't say, "Oh my, you're so right, thank you for saving me from my folly!" > > > I love Access, always have. I'm sorry to see MS taking it in the direction > they have, but even so, I can still admit Access' short-comings. I think > that's just being realistic and frankly, you need to do that in order to > give your clients/users the best of what they really need. I love Access, > but I'm not a junkie. :) > > Susan H. > > > > > OK, for those interested, here's the link that will give you a logged in > > view of the EE thread that gustav mentioned: > > > > http://rdsrc.us/lIghoA > > > > > > Comments on Susan's article are the last fifteen or so comments at the > > bottom of the thread (about 2/3'rds of the way down - first comment was > > posted 10/7 at 4:29 pm). > > > > This is a continually running thread we have in the Access Zone, so > there > > is a lot of stuff in the beginning that doesn't apply. > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Tue Oct 11 10:16:44 2011 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 11:16:44 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] We only notice the significant observations Message-ID: Ok, I plead guilty to the above. But nonetheless, it strikes me as Jungian synchronous how many times I glance at the time and it's 11:11 (am or pm, both count). Maybe this says more about when I am on-line than anything else, but it keeps on happening. It just happened 3 minutes ago, for the Nth-Hundred time this year. Anyone else experience similar "lucky numbers"? Granted, I ignore all the other random times, but even if I do that, and restrict the set to repeatable numbers (4:44, etc.), 11:11 keeps coming up for me most frequently. Perhaps I ought take this phenomenon to the craps table in the nearest casino LOL. A. From ssharkins at gmail.com Tue Oct 11 10:32:17 2011 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 11:32:17 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] We only notice the significant observations References: Message-ID: <76B9AA484280443FBCDB80730B8613A0@SusanHarkins> I do this frequently -- comes in spurts. I'll even wake up to see it's 2:22, 3:33, and so on. Kind of weird, but our brains are pretty powerful. I don't think they're lucky numbers. I don't think they're spirits messages (a common reasoning). I have no ideas why our brains would care, but maybe it's just because once it happens, we find it odd enough that our brain creates a little trigger -- when we stop being impressed by it, we stop seeing it. Just my guess and of course, it's worth zilch. Susan H. > Ok, I plead guilty to the above. But nonetheless, it strikes me as Jungian > synchronous how many times I glance at the time and it's 11:11 (am or pm, > both count). Maybe this says more about when I am on-line than anything > else, but it keeps on happening. It just happened 3 minutes ago, for the > Nth-Hundred time this year. > > Anyone else experience similar "lucky numbers"? > > Granted, I ignore all the other random times, but even if I do that, and > restrict the set to repeatable numbers (4:44, etc.), 11:11 keeps coming up > for me most frequently. Perhaps I ought take this phenomenon to the craps > table in the nearest casino LOL. > From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Tue Oct 11 11:15:49 2011 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 09:15:49 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] We only notice the significant observations In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9879741544574AB0827B9658FA8ACD4B@HAL9007> Perhaps you're in front of the clock (working, maybe?) at 11:11 than you are at 4:44. R -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2011 8:17 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: [AccessD] We only notice the significant observations Ok, I plead guilty to the above. But nonetheless, it strikes me as Jungian synchronous how many times I glance at the time and it's 11:11 (am or pm, both count). Maybe this says more about when I am on-line than anything else, but it keeps on happening. It just happened 3 minutes ago, for the Nth-Hundred time this year. Anyone else experience similar "lucky numbers"? Granted, I ignore all the other random times, but even if I do that, and restrict the set to repeatable numbers (4:44, etc.), 11:11 keeps coming up for me most frequently. Perhaps I ought take this phenomenon to the craps table in the nearest casino LOL. A. -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From markamatte at hotmail.com Tue Oct 11 11:20:54 2011 From: markamatte at hotmail.com (Mark A Matte) Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 16:20:54 +0000 Subject: [AccessD] We only notice the significant observations In-Reply-To: <9879741544574AB0827B9658FA8ACD4B@HAL9007> References: , <9879741544574AB0827B9658FA8ACD4B@HAL9007> Message-ID: The number that has always caught my attention was 256...whether it is 2:56 am/pm...the computer world...or even the first military unit I belonged to(256 Brigade 5th ID)...it just stands out in my mind and catches my attention (along with all the ones Arthur mentioned as well). Mark A. Matte > From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com > Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 09:15:49 -0700 > Subject: Re: [AccessD] We only notice the significant observations > > Perhaps you're in front of the clock (working, maybe?) at 11:11 than you are > at 4:44. > > R > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller > Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2011 8:17 AM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: [AccessD] We only notice the significant observations > > Ok, I plead guilty to the above. But nonetheless, it strikes me as Jungian > synchronous how many times I glance at the time and it's 11:11 (am or pm, > both count). Maybe this says more about when I am on-line than anything > else, but it keeps on happening. It just happened 3 minutes ago, for the > Nth-Hundred time this year. > > Anyone else experience similar "lucky numbers"? > > Granted, I ignore all the other random times, but even if I do that, and > restrict the set to repeatable numbers (4:44, etc.), 11:11 keeps coming up > for me most frequently. Perhaps I ought take this phenomenon to the craps > table in the nearest casino LOL. > > A. > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From michael at mattysconsulting.com Tue Oct 11 11:39:07 2011 From: michael at mattysconsulting.com (Michael Mattys) Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 12:39:07 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] We only notice the significant observations In-Reply-To: References: , <9879741544574AB0827B9658FA8ACD4B@HAL9007> Message-ID: <00b001cc8834$4de2fc20$e9a8f460$@mattysconsulting.com> I've always liked 10:01 - looks like a face with glasses. Other fascinations are those word-drawings people make, like the smiley :), and those short essays with missing words, missing letters, or misspellings that our brains can piece together for better or worse. This may be related to the Crime Scene Investigation phenomenon... All DA's and lawyers are experts in knowing how 'evidence' can be pieced together in such a manner as to convict someone of something that never happened or spin things in such a way as to provide acquittal from very serious charges. You may have even been convinced that 'evolution' is an actual scientific possibility ... Michael R Mattys Mattys Consulting, LLC www.mattysconsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark A Matte Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2011 12:21 PM To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [AccessD] We only notice the significant observations The number that has always caught my attention was 256...whether it is 2:56 am/pm...the computer world...or even the first military unit I belonged to(256 Brigade 5th ID)...it just stands out in my mind and catches my attention (along with all the ones Arthur mentioned as well). Mark A. Matte > From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com > Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 09:15:49 -0700 > Subject: Re: [AccessD] We only notice the significant observations > > Perhaps you're in front of the clock (working, maybe?) at 11:11 than > you are at 4:44. > > R > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur > Fuller > Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2011 8:17 AM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: [AccessD] We only notice the significant observations > > Ok, I plead guilty to the above. But nonetheless, it strikes me as > Jungian synchronous how many times I glance at the time and it's 11:11 > (am or pm, both count). Maybe this says more about when I am on-line > than anything else, but it keeps on happening. It just happened 3 > minutes ago, for the Nth-Hundred time this year. > > Anyone else experience similar "lucky numbers"? > > Granted, I ignore all the other random times, but even if I do that, > and restrict the set to repeatable numbers (4:44, etc.), 11:11 keeps > coming up for me most frequently. Perhaps I ought take this phenomenon > to the craps table in the nearest casino LOL. > > A. > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Lambert.Heenan at chartisinsurance.com Tue Oct 11 12:06:22 2011 From: Lambert.Heenan at chartisinsurance.com (Heenan, Lambert) Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 13:06:22 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] We only notice the significant observations In-Reply-To: <00b001cc8834$4de2fc20$e9a8f460$@mattysconsulting.com> References: , <9879741544574AB0827B9658FA8ACD4B@HAL9007> <00b001cc8834$4de2fc20$e9a8f460$@mattysconsulting.com> Message-ID: Hmm. New guy on the block makes controversial remark first time out of the starting gate. Is there any other science that you consider to be just a matter of opinion? Obviously you're not a flat-earther, but anything else from the real world of science that troubles you? Lambert :-) -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Michael Mattys Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2011 12:39 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] We only notice the significant observations I've always liked 10:01 - looks like a face with glasses. Other fascinations are those word-drawings people make, like the smiley :), and those short essays with missing words, missing letters, or misspellings that our brains can piece together for better or worse. This may be related to the Crime Scene Investigation phenomenon... All DA's and lawyers are experts in knowing how 'evidence' can be pieced together in such a manner as to convict someone of something that never happened or spin things in such a way as to provide acquittal from very serious charges. You may have even been convinced that 'evolution' is an actual scientific possibility ... Michael R Mattys Mattys Consulting, LLC www.mattysconsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark A Matte Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2011 12:21 PM To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [AccessD] We only notice the significant observations The number that has always caught my attention was 256...whether it is 2:56 am/pm...the computer world...or even the first military unit I belonged to(256 Brigade 5th ID)...it just stands out in my mind and catches my attention (along with all the ones Arthur mentioned as well). Mark A. Matte > From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com > Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 09:15:49 -0700 > Subject: Re: [AccessD] We only notice the significant observations > > Perhaps you're in front of the clock (working, maybe?) at 11:11 than > you are at 4:44. > > R > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur > Fuller > Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2011 8:17 AM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: [AccessD] We only notice the significant observations > > Ok, I plead guilty to the above. But nonetheless, it strikes me as > Jungian synchronous how many times I glance at the time and it's 11:11 > (am or pm, both count). Maybe this says more about when I am on-line > than anything else, but it keeps on happening. It just happened 3 > minutes ago, for the Nth-Hundred time this year. > > Anyone else experience similar "lucky numbers"? > > Granted, I ignore all the other random times, but even if I do that, > and restrict the set to repeatable numbers (4:44, etc.), 11:11 keeps > coming up for me most frequently. Perhaps I ought take this phenomenon > to the craps table in the nearest casino LOL. > > A. > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From davidmcafee at gmail.com Tue Oct 11 12:11:56 2011 From: davidmcafee at gmail.com (David McAfee) Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 10:11:56 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] We only notice the significant observations In-Reply-To: References: <9879741544574AB0827B9658FA8ACD4B@HAL9007> <00b001cc8834$4de2fc20$e9a8f460$@mattysconsulting.com> Message-ID: We keep waking up at 3:00AM, but we think it has to do more with a ghost than with lucky numbers ;) On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 10:06 AM, Heenan, Lambert < Lambert.Heenan at chartisinsurance.com> wrote: > Hmm. New guy on the block makes controversial remark first time out of the > starting gate. Is there any other science that you consider to be just a > matter of opinion? Obviously you're not a flat-earther, but anything else > from the real world of science that troubles you? > > Lambert :-) > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto: > accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Michael Mattys > Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2011 12:39 PM > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > Subject: Re: [AccessD] We only notice the significant observations > > I've always liked 10:01 - looks like a face with glasses. > > Other fascinations are those word-drawings people make, like the smiley :), > and those short essays with missing words, missing letters, or misspellings > that our brains can piece together for better or worse. > > This may be related to the Crime Scene Investigation phenomenon... > All DA's and lawyers are experts in knowing how 'evidence' can be pieced > together in such a manner as to convict someone of something that never > happened or spin things in such a way as to provide acquittal from very > serious charges. > > You may have even been convinced that 'evolution' is an actual scientific > possibility ... > > Michael R Mattys > Mattys Consulting, LLC > www.mattysconsulting.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark A Matte > Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2011 12:21 PM > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com > Subject: Re: [AccessD] We only notice the significant observations > > > The number that has always caught my attention was 256...whether it is 2:56 > am/pm...the computer world...or even the first military unit I belonged > to(256 Brigade 5th ID)...it just stands out in my mind and catches my > attention (along with all the ones Arthur mentioned as well). > > Mark A. Matte > > > > From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com > > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com > > Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 09:15:49 -0700 > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] We only notice the significant observations > > > > Perhaps you're in front of the clock (working, maybe?) at 11:11 than > > you are at 4:44. > > > > R > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur > > Fuller > > Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2011 8:17 AM > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > > Subject: [AccessD] We only notice the significant observations > > > > Ok, I plead guilty to the above. But nonetheless, it strikes me as > > Jungian synchronous how many times I glance at the time and it's 11:11 > > (am or pm, both count). Maybe this says more about when I am on-line > > than anything else, but it keeps on happening. It just happened 3 > > minutes ago, for the Nth-Hundred time this year. > > > > Anyone else experience similar "lucky numbers"? > > > > Granted, I ignore all the other random times, but even if I do that, > > and restrict the set to repeatable numbers (4:44, etc.), 11:11 keeps > > coming up for me most frequently. Perhaps I ought take this phenomenon > > to the craps table in the nearest casino LOL. > > > > A. > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From michael at mattysconsulting.com Tue Oct 11 12:26:42 2011 From: michael at mattysconsulting.com (Michael Mattys) Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 13:26:42 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] We only notice the significant observations In-Reply-To: References: , <9879741544574AB0827B9658FA8ACD4B@HAL9007> <00b001cc8834$4de2fc20$e9a8f460$@mattysconsulting.com> Message-ID: <00c601cc883a$f23a00b0$d6ae0210$@mattysconsulting.com> I've been here since the first Access-D, Lambert :) Michael R Mattys Mattys Consulting, LLC www.mattysconsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan, Lambert Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2011 1:06 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] We only notice the significant observations Hmm. New guy on the block makes controversial remark first time out of the starting gate. Is there any other science that you consider to be just a matter of opinion? Obviously you're not a flat-earther, but anything else from the real world of science that troubles you? Lambert :-) -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Michael Mattys Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2011 12:39 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] We only notice the significant observations I've always liked 10:01 - looks like a face with glasses. Other fascinations are those word-drawings people make, like the smiley :), and those short essays with missing words, missing letters, or misspellings that our brains can piece together for better or worse. This may be related to the Crime Scene Investigation phenomenon... All DA's and lawyers are experts in knowing how 'evidence' can be pieced together in such a manner as to convict someone of something that never happened or spin things in such a way as to provide acquittal from very serious charges. You may have even been convinced that 'evolution' is an actual scientific possibility ... Michael R Mattys Mattys Consulting, LLC www.mattysconsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark A Matte Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2011 12:21 PM To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [AccessD] We only notice the significant observations The number that has always caught my attention was 256...whether it is 2:56 am/pm...the computer world...or even the first military unit I belonged to(256 Brigade 5th ID)...it just stands out in my mind and catches my attention (along with all the ones Arthur mentioned as well). Mark A. Matte > From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com > Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 09:15:49 -0700 > Subject: Re: [AccessD] We only notice the significant observations > > Perhaps you're in front of the clock (working, maybe?) at 11:11 than > you are at 4:44. > > R > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur > Fuller > Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2011 8:17 AM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: [AccessD] We only notice the significant observations > > Ok, I plead guilty to the above. But nonetheless, it strikes me as > Jungian synchronous how many times I glance at the time and it's 11:11 > (am or pm, both count). Maybe this says more about when I am on-line > than anything else, but it keeps on happening. It just happened 3 > minutes ago, for the Nth-Hundred time this year. > > Anyone else experience similar "lucky numbers"? > > Granted, I ignore all the other random times, but even if I do that, > and restrict the set to repeatable numbers (4:44, etc.), 11:11 keeps > coming up for me most frequently. Perhaps I ought take this phenomenon > to the craps table in the nearest casino LOL. > > A. > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From charlotte.foust at gmail.com Tue Oct 11 12:30:52 2011 From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust) Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 10:30:52 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] We only notice the significant observations In-Reply-To: <00c601cc883a$f23a00b0$d6ae0210$@mattysconsulting.com> References: <9879741544574AB0827B9658FA8ACD4B@HAL9007> <00b001cc8834$4de2fc20$e9a8f460$@mattysconsulting.com> <00c601cc883a$f23a00b0$d6ae0210$@mattysconsulting.com> Message-ID: Now, boys, play nicely! Charlotte Foust On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 10:26 AM, Michael Mattys < michael at mattysconsulting.com> wrote: > I've been here since the first Access-D, Lambert :) > > Michael R Mattys > Mattys Consulting, LLC > www.mattysconsulting.com > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan, Lambert > Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2011 1:06 PM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] We only notice the significant observations > > Hmm. New guy on the block makes controversial remark first time out of the > starting gate. Is there any other science that you consider to be just a > matter of opinion? Obviously you're not a flat-earther, but anything else > from the real world of science that troubles you? > > Lambert :-) > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Michael Mattys > Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2011 12:39 PM > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > Subject: Re: [AccessD] We only notice the significant observations > > > You may have even been convinced that 'evolution' is an actual scientific > possibility ... > > Michael R Mattys > Mattys Consulting, LLC > www.mattysconsulting.com > > > > From Lambert.Heenan at chartisinsurance.com Tue Oct 11 12:46:46 2011 From: Lambert.Heenan at chartisinsurance.com (Heenan, Lambert) Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 13:46:46 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] We only notice the significant observations In-Reply-To: <00c601cc883a$f23a00b0$d6ae0210$@mattysconsulting.com> References: , <9879741544574AB0827B9658FA8ACD4B@HAL9007> <00b001cc8834$4de2fc20$e9a8f460$@mattysconsulting.com> <00c601cc883a$f23a00b0$d6ae0210$@mattysconsulting.com> Message-ID: Sorry Michael. I must not have been paying too much attention lately. Lambert -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Michael Mattys Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2011 1:27 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] We only notice the significant observations I've been here since the first Access-D, Lambert :) Michael R Mattys Mattys Consulting, LLC www.mattysconsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan, Lambert Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2011 1:06 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] We only notice the significant observations Hmm. New guy on the block makes controversial remark first time out of the starting gate. Is there any other science that you consider to be just a matter of opinion? Obviously you're not a flat-earther, but anything else from the real world of science that troubles you? Lambert :-) -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Michael Mattys Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2011 12:39 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] We only notice the significant observations I've always liked 10:01 - looks like a face with glasses. Other fascinations are those word-drawings people make, like the smiley :), and those short essays with missing words, missing letters, or misspellings that our brains can piece together for better or worse. This may be related to the Crime Scene Investigation phenomenon... All DA's and lawyers are experts in knowing how 'evidence' can be pieced together in such a manner as to convict someone of something that never happened or spin things in such a way as to provide acquittal from very serious charges. You may have even been convinced that 'evolution' is an actual scientific possibility ... Michael R Mattys Mattys Consulting, LLC www.mattysconsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark A Matte Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2011 12:21 PM To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [AccessD] We only notice the significant observations The number that has always caught my attention was 256...whether it is 2:56 am/pm...the computer world...or even the first military unit I belonged to(256 Brigade 5th ID)...it just stands out in my mind and catches my attention (along with all the ones Arthur mentioned as well). Mark A. Matte > From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com > Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 09:15:49 -0700 > Subject: Re: [AccessD] We only notice the significant observations > > Perhaps you're in front of the clock (working, maybe?) at 11:11 than > you are at 4:44. > > R > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur > Fuller > Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2011 8:17 AM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: [AccessD] We only notice the significant observations > > Ok, I plead guilty to the above. But nonetheless, it strikes me as > Jungian synchronous how many times I glance at the time and it's 11:11 > (am or pm, both count). Maybe this says more about when I am on-line > than anything else, but it keeps on happening. It just happened 3 > minutes ago, for the Nth-Hundred time this year. > > Anyone else experience similar "lucky numbers"? > > Granted, I ignore all the other random times, but even if I do that, > and restrict the set to repeatable numbers (4:44, etc.), 11:11 keeps > coming up for me most frequently. Perhaps I ought take this phenomenon > to the craps table in the nearest casino LOL. > > A. > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From michael at mattysconsulting.com Tue Oct 11 13:29:51 2011 From: michael at mattysconsulting.com (Michael Mattys) Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 14:29:51 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] We only notice the significant observations In-Reply-To: References: , <9879741544574AB0827B9658FA8ACD4B@HAL9007> <00b001cc8834$4de2fc20$e9a8f460$@mattysconsulting.com> <00c601cc883a$f23a00b0$d6ae0210$@mattysconsulting.com> Message-ID: <00dd01cc8843$c49cf9b0$4dd6ed10$@mattysconsulting.com> No problem, Lambert. Your input is well respected at this end of the line. Michael R Mattys Mattys Consulting, LLC www.mattysconsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan, Lambert Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2011 1:47 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] We only notice the significant observations Sorry Michael. I must not have been paying too much attention lately. Lambert -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Michael Mattys Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2011 1:27 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] We only notice the significant observations I've been here since the first Access-D, Lambert :) Michael R Mattys Mattys Consulting, LLC www.mattysconsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan, Lambert Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2011 1:06 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] We only notice the significant observations Hmm. New guy on the block makes controversial remark first time out of the starting gate. Is there any other science that you consider to be just a matter of opinion? Obviously you're not a flat-earther, but anything else from the real world of science that troubles you? Lambert :-) -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Michael Mattys Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2011 12:39 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] We only notice the significant observations I've always liked 10:01 - looks like a face with glasses. Other fascinations are those word-drawings people make, like the smiley :), and those short essays with missing words, missing letters, or misspellings that our brains can piece together for better or worse. This may be related to the Crime Scene Investigation phenomenon... All DA's and lawyers are experts in knowing how 'evidence' can be pieced together in such a manner as to convict someone of something that never happened or spin things in such a way as to provide acquittal from very serious charges. You may have even been convinced that 'evolution' is an actual scientific possibility ... Michael R Mattys Mattys Consulting, LLC www.mattysconsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark A Matte Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2011 12:21 PM To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [AccessD] We only notice the significant observations The number that has always caught my attention was 256...whether it is 2:56 am/pm...the computer world...or even the first military unit I belonged to(256 Brigade 5th ID)...it just stands out in my mind and catches my attention (along with all the ones Arthur mentioned as well). Mark A. Matte > From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com > Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 09:15:49 -0700 > Subject: Re: [AccessD] We only notice the significant observations > > Perhaps you're in front of the clock (working, maybe?) at 11:11 than > you are at 4:44. > > R > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur > Fuller > Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2011 8:17 AM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: [AccessD] We only notice the significant observations > > Ok, I plead guilty to the above. But nonetheless, it strikes me as > Jungian synchronous how many times I glance at the time and it's 11:11 > (am or pm, both count). Maybe this says more about when I am on-line > than anything else, but it keeps on happening. It just happened 3 > minutes ago, for the Nth-Hundred time this year. > > Anyone else experience similar "lucky numbers"? > > Granted, I ignore all the other random times, but even if I do that, > and restrict the set to repeatable numbers (4:44, etc.), 11:11 keeps > coming up for me most frequently. Perhaps I ought take this phenomenon > to the craps table in the nearest casino LOL. > > A. > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From rls at webedb.com Tue Oct 11 16:10:11 2011 From: rls at webedb.com (rls at webedb.com) Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 14:10:11 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Writing and Hosting a Web Service in the SharePoint Message-ID: <24.4f53feababc3aa8dbbd2@C15472-140440> http://www.microsoft.com/download/en/details.aspx?id=27417 Try this one instead. The first one seems to be the link to the beta software. Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2011 10:15:57 +0400 From: "Shamil Salakhetdinov" To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" Cc: "'Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues.'" Subject: [dba-VB] Writing and Hosting a Web Service in the SharePoint 2010 Demo Virtual Machine... Message-ID: <4D3A0180687B4AF8B4695CC635BAA56A at nant> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="koi8-r" Hi All -- In this article/blog entry: Writing and Hosting a Web Service in the SharePoint 2010 Demo Virtual Machine http://blogs.msdn.com/b/ericwhite/archive/2010/07/16/writing-and-hosting-a-web-service-in-the-sharepoint-2010-demo-virtual-machine.aspx the author refers to a test virtual machine image with SharePoint 2010 configured: "http://www.microsoft.com/download/en/details.aspx?displaylang=en&id=21099" but VM isn't available there for downloading. Do you know is it still available for free downloading from MS web site? (Was it a free download?) Thank you. From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au Tue Oct 11 18:58:06 2011 From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins) Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 10:58:06 +1100 Subject: [AccessD] We only notice the significant observations In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <001e01cc8871$9f484f60$ddd8ee20$@com.au> Humans seems to be hardwired to observe patterns and narratives, even in randomness. Maybe it is because of randomness? Dunno, but they do know we will make up a pattern and story out of nothingness... -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Wednesday, 12 October 2011 2:17 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: [AccessD] We only notice the significant observations Ok, I plead guilty to the above. But nonetheless, it strikes me as Jungian synchronous how many times I glance at the time and it's 11:11 (am or pm, both count). Maybe this says more about when I am on-line than anything else, but it keeps on happening. It just happened 3 minutes ago, for the Nth-Hundred time this year. Anyone else experience similar "lucky numbers"? Granted, I ignore all the other random times, but even if I do that, and restrict the set to repeatable numbers (4:44, etc.), 11:11 keeps coming up for me most frequently. Perhaps I ought take this phenomenon to the craps table in the nearest casino LOL. A. -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au Tue Oct 11 19:20:27 2011 From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins) Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 11:20:27 +1100 Subject: [AccessD] Writing and Hosting a Web Service in the SharePoint 2010 Demo Virtual Machine... In-Reply-To: References: <631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB082956A302CE171@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk> Message-ID: <000101cc8874$be361120$3aa23360$@com.au> Shamil, I might be way off here as I haven't been following this thread, but Office 365 for small business does just that and more. It is a good solution for those folks who want an enterprise Outlook Exchange server and full Sharepoint functionality, but don't have the time, technical skills and/or money to have a dedicated server up and running just for their business. Maybe worth a look. You can have a free trial if nothing else. http://www.microsoft.com/en-au/office365/online-software.aspx I have been automatically pointed to the AU (Aussie) site, you the link above may not be ideal for you. Maybe just try www.office365.com instead regards Darryl. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil Salakhetdinov Sent: Tuesday, 11 October 2011 12:44 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Writing and Hosting a Web Service in the SharePoint 2010 Demo Virtual Machine... Thank you Martin, And do you know there exist any paid (economical class - pay per API call - something like that) SharePoint hosting services with SharePoint 2010 Word Automation Services (http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ff742315.aspx) and SharePoint 2010 Excel Services (http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ff640648.aspx) ? Thank you. -- Shamil -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Martin Reid Sent: 10 ??????? 2011 ?. 10:58 To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Cc: 'Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues.' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Writing and Hosting a Web Service in the SharePoint 2010 Demo Virtual Machine... It should be there and its free but times out at 180 days. Martin Sent from my Windows Phone ________________________________ From: Shamil Salakhetdinov Sent: 10/10/2011 07:19 To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Cc: 'Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues.' Subject: [AccessD] Writing and Hosting a Web Service in the SharePoint 2010 Demo Virtual Machine... Hi All -- In this article/blog entry: Writing and Hosting a Web Service in the SharePoint 2010 Demo Virtual Machine http://blogs.msdn.com/b/ericwhite/archive/2010/07/16/writing-and-hosting-a-w eb-service-in-the-sharepoint-2010-demo-virtual-machine.aspx the author refers to a test virtual machine image with SharePoint 2010 configured: "My favorite way to develop/experiment/write about SharePoint 2010 is to use the 2010 Information Worker Demonstration and Evaluation Virtual Machine. It is a great virtual machine - finely tuned, and has all of the necessary software installed, including SharePoint Server 2010, Visual Studio 2010, Office 2010, etc. I do on occasion build my own virtual machines when absolutely necessary, but I consider it a necessary evil, not something that I enjoy." The link directs to "http://www.microsoft.com/download/en/details.aspx?displaylang=en&id=21099" but VM isn't available there for downloading. Do you know is it still available for free downloading from MS web site? (Was it a free download?) Thank you. -- Shamil -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Wed Oct 12 05:42:22 2011 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 06:42:22 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] We only notice the significant observations In-Reply-To: References: , <9879741544574AB0827B9658FA8ACD4B@HAL9007> <00b001cc8834$4de2fc20$e9a8f460$@mattysconsulting.com> Message-ID: <4E956F0E.3070704@colbyconsulting.com> >Obviously you're not a flat-earther Hey! There's no proof that the world is round! All those "pictures" from the space station are just the government trying to cover up all the wasted funds by claiming scientific advances! ;) John W. Colby Colby Consulting On 10/11/2011 1:06 PM, Heenan, Lambert wrote: > Hmm. New guy on the block makes controversial remark first time out of the starting gate. Is there any other science that you consider to be just a matter of opinion? Obviously you're not a flat-earther, but anything else from the real world of science that troubles you? > > Lambert :-) > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Michael Mattys > Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2011 12:39 PM > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > Subject: Re: [AccessD] We only notice the significant observations > > I've always liked 10:01 - looks like a face with glasses. > > Other fascinations are those word-drawings people make, like the smiley :), and those short essays with missing words, missing letters, or misspellings that our brains can piece together for better or worse. > > This may be related to the Crime Scene Investigation phenomenon... > All DA's and lawyers are experts in knowing how 'evidence' can be pieced together in such a manner as to convict someone of something that never happened or spin things in such a way as to provide acquittal from very serious charges. > > You may have even been convinced that 'evolution' is an actual scientific possibility ... > > Michael R Mattys > Mattys Consulting, LLC > www.mattysconsulting.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark A Matte > Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2011 12:21 PM > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com > Subject: Re: [AccessD] We only notice the significant observations > > > The number that has always caught my attention was 256...whether it is 2:56 am/pm...the computer world...or even the first military unit I belonged > to(256 Brigade 5th ID)...it just stands out in my mind and catches my attention (along with all the ones Arthur mentioned as well). > > Mark A. Matte > > >> From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com >> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com >> Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 09:15:49 -0700 >> Subject: Re: [AccessD] We only notice the significant observations >> >> Perhaps you're in front of the clock (working, maybe?) at 11:11 than >> you are at 4:44. >> >> R >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur >> Fuller >> Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2011 8:17 AM >> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving >> Subject: [AccessD] We only notice the significant observations >> >> Ok, I plead guilty to the above. But nonetheless, it strikes me as >> Jungian synchronous how many times I glance at the time and it's 11:11 >> (am or pm, both count). Maybe this says more about when I am on-line >> than anything else, but it keeps on happening. It just happened 3 >> minutes ago, for the Nth-Hundred time this year. >> >> Anyone else experience similar "lucky numbers"? >> >> Granted, I ignore all the other random times, but even if I do that, >> and restrict the set to repeatable numbers (4:44, etc.), 11:11 keeps >> coming up for me most frequently. Perhaps I ought take this phenomenon >> to the craps table in the nearest casino LOL. >> >> A. >> -- >> AccessD mailing list >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> -- >> AccessD mailing list >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From fuller.artful at gmail.com Wed Oct 12 06:23:31 2011 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 07:23:31 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] We only notice the significant observations In-Reply-To: <4E956F0E.3070704@colbyconsulting.com> References: <9879741544574AB0827B9658FA8ACD4B@HAL9007> <00b001cc8834$4de2fc20$e9a8f460$@mattysconsulting.com> <4E956F0E.3070704@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: Besides, the moon landing was shot in Arizona. A. On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 6:42 AM, jwcolby wrote: > >Obviously you're not a flat-earther > > Hey! There's no proof that the world is round! All those "pictures" from > the space station are just the government trying to cover up all the wasted > funds by claiming scientific advances! > > ;) > > John W. Colby > Colby Consulting > > From michael at mattysconsulting.com Wed Oct 12 09:19:38 2011 From: michael at mattysconsulting.com (Michael Mattys) Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 10:19:38 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] We only notice the significant observations In-Reply-To: References: <9879741544574AB0827B9658FA8ACD4B@HAL9007> <00b001cc8834$4de2fc20$e9a8f460$@mattysconsulting.com> <4E956F0E.3070704@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <001101cc88e9$fab22c40$f01684c0$@mattysconsulting.com> I enjoyed that 1995 speech by Steve Jobs, Arthur. "Stay hungry, stay foolish." I would love to learn the programming language of adding information to DNA. http://www.evolutionofdna.com/Evolution-Of-DNA.html Michael R Mattys Mattys Consulting, LLC www.mattysconsulting.com From michael at mattysconsulting.com Wed Oct 12 12:20:22 2011 From: michael at mattysconsulting.com (Michael Mattys) Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 13:20:22 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] We only notice the significant observations In-Reply-To: <001101cc88e9$fab22c40$f01684c0$@mattysconsulting.com> References: <9879741544574AB0827B9658FA8ACD4B@HAL9007> <00b001cc8834$4de2fc20$e9a8f460$@mattysconsulting.com> <4E956F0E.3070704@colbyconsulting.com> <001101cc88e9$fab22c40$f01684c0$@mattysconsulting.com> Message-ID: <002101cc8903$3a4e9f00$aeebdd00$@mattysconsulting.com> Wonderful stuff. http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/evolution/darwin-never-knew.html http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/evolution/are-we-still-evolving.html Michael R Mattys Mattys Consulting, LLC -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Michael Mattys Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2011 10:20 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] We only notice the significant observations I enjoyed that 1995 speech by Steve Jobs, Arthur. "Stay hungry, stay foolish." I would love to learn the programming language of adding information to DNA. http://www.evolutionofdna.com/Evolution-Of-DNA.html Michael R Mattys Mattys Consulting, LLC www.mattysconsulting.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Wed Oct 12 12:29:01 2011 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 10:29:01 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] We only notice the significant observations In-Reply-To: <002101cc8903$3a4e9f00$aeebdd00$@mattysconsulting.com> References: <9879741544574AB0827B9658FA8ACD4B@HAL9007> <00b001cc8834$4de2fc20$e9a8f460$@mattysconsulting.com> <4E956F0E.3070704@colbyconsulting.com> <001101cc88e9$fab22c40$f01684c0$@mattysconsulting.com> <002101cc8903$3a4e9f00$aeebdd00$@mattysconsulting.com> Message-ID: <796FF76F19964BA284F79C474C9C0C71@creativesystemdesigns.com> A very good read. Jim -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Michael Mattys Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2011 10:20 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] We only notice the significant observations Wonderful stuff. http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/evolution/darwin-never-knew.html http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/evolution/are-we-still-evolving.html Michael R Mattys Mattys Consulting, LLC -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Michael Mattys Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2011 10:20 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] We only notice the significant observations I enjoyed that 1995 speech by Steve Jobs, Arthur. "Stay hungry, stay foolish." I would love to learn the programming language of adding information to DNA. http://www.evolutionofdna.com/Evolution-Of-DNA.html Michael R Mattys Mattys Consulting, LLC www.mattysconsulting.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Wed Oct 12 12:59:35 2011 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 13:59:35 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] We only notice the significant observations In-Reply-To: <002101cc8903$3a4e9f00$aeebdd00$@mattysconsulting.com> References: <9879741544574AB0827B9658FA8ACD4B@HAL9007> <00b001cc8834$4de2fc20$e9a8f460$@mattysconsulting.com> <4E956F0E.3070704@colbyconsulting.com> <001101cc88e9$fab22c40$f01684c0$@mattysconsulting.com> <002101cc8903$3a4e9f00$aeebdd00$@mattysconsulting.com> Message-ID: <4E95D587.5070908@colbyconsulting.com> Indeed. We find truth in the strangest places. John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it On 10/12/2011 1:20 PM, Michael Mattys wrote: > Wonderful stuff. > > http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/evolution/darwin-never-knew.html > http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/evolution/are-we-still-evolving.html > > Michael R Mattys > Mattys Consulting, LLC > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Michael Mattys > Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2011 10:20 AM > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > Subject: Re: [AccessD] We only notice the significant observations > > I enjoyed that 1995 speech by Steve Jobs, Arthur. > "Stay hungry, stay foolish." > > I would love to learn the programming language of adding information to DNA. > http://www.evolutionofdna.com/Evolution-Of-DNA.html > > Michael R Mattys > Mattys Consulting, LLC > www.mattysconsulting.com > > From michael at mattysconsulting.com Wed Oct 12 14:09:42 2011 From: michael at mattysconsulting.com (Michael Mattys) Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 15:09:42 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] We only notice the significant observations In-Reply-To: <4E95D587.5070908@colbyconsulting.com> References: <9879741544574AB0827B9658FA8ACD4B@HAL9007> <00b001cc8834$4de2fc20$e9a8f460$@mattysconsulting.com> <4E956F0E.3070704@colbyconsulting.com> <001101cc88e9$fab22c40$f01684c0$@mattysconsulting.com> <002101cc8903$3a4e9f00$aeebdd00$@mattysconsulting.com> <4E95D587.5070908@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <002901cc8912$808c5980$81a50c80$@mattysconsulting.com> I didn't get anything from there that I didn't know already. Michael R Mattys Mattys Consulting, LLC www.mattysconsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2011 2:00 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] We only notice the significant observations Indeed. We find truth in the strangest places. John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it On 10/12/2011 1:20 PM, Michael Mattys wrote: > Wonderful stuff. > > http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/evolution/darwin-never-knew.html > http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/evolution/are-we-still-evolving.html > > Michael R Mattys > Mattys Consulting, LLC > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Michael Mattys > Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2011 10:20 AM > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > Subject: Re: [AccessD] We only notice the significant observations > > I enjoyed that 1995 speech by Steve Jobs, Arthur. > "Stay hungry, stay foolish." > > I would love to learn the programming language of adding information to DNA. > http://www.evolutionofdna.com/Evolution-Of-DNA.html > > Michael R Mattys > Mattys Consulting, LLC > www.mattysconsulting.com > > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Thu Oct 13 05:59:05 2011 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 06:59:05 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Optimizing query when select part requires a calculation In-Reply-To: <004b01cc8201$8fc0d7e0$af4287a0$@gmail.com> References: <004b01cc8201$8fc0d7e0$af4287a0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: It seems you made a copy+paste error in your message. 1a and 1b seem identical, even to the point of being both labelled 1a. Method 2 strikes me as nonsensical. How could a left join end up with nulls on the first table? As for option 3, Any IN() or NOT IN() expression forces a full table scan, regardless of the indexes available that might be more profitably used. Stay away from IN() unless there's no other alternative. HTH, Arthur On Mon, Oct 3, 2011 at 3:20 PM, William Benson (VBACreations.Com) < vbacreations at gmail.com> wrote: > Optimizing a query that compares calculated result from each table. I have > 2 tables Tbl1 and Tbl2, each with the same two columns [A] and [B]; I > wanted > to ask Access what values from the combination of these two fields exist in > one but not the other. I used "|" as a separator. I want to know > > (1) Why method 1a and 1b are equivalent > (2) Why Method 2 is not required (ie, why can I test either item for Null > and it represents the combination is null, not the single field on its own) > (3) Why Method 3 takes hundreds of times longer > > > > 'METHOD 1a > SELECT [Tbl1].[A] & "|" & [Tbl1].[B] AS ResultX > FROM Tbl1 LEFT JOIN Tbl2 ON (Tbl1.[B] = Tbl2.[B]) AND (Tbl1.[A] = Tbl2.[A]) > WHERE Tbl2.A Is Null > > 'METHOD 1a > SELECT [Tbl1].[A] & "|" & [Tbl1].[B] AS ResultX > FROM Tbl1 LEFT JOIN Tbl2 ON (Tbl1.[B] = Tbl2.[B]) AND (Tbl1.[A] = Tbl2.[A]) > WHERE Tbl2.B Is Null > > 'METHOD 2 > SELECT [Tbl1].[A] & "|" & [Tbl1].[B] AS ResultX > FROM Tbl1 LEFT JOIN Tbl2 ON (Tbl1.[B] = Tbl2.[B]) AND (Tbl1.[A] = Tbl2.[A]) > WHERE (Tbl2.A Is Null OR Tbl2.B Is Null) <--- Testing both seems not > necessary > > 'METHOD 3 > Select [Tbl1].[A] & "|" & [Tbl1].[B] as ResultX > From [Tbl1] > Where > [Tbl1].[A] & "|" & [Tbl1].[B] Not IN (Select [Tbl2].[A] & "|" & > [Tbl2].[B] as ResultY From [Tbl2]) > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Thu Oct 13 08:05:34 2011 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 09:05:34 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] See you in space! Message-ID: <4E96E21E.3080100@colbyconsulting.com> http://www.sqlservercentral.com/articles/Red+Gate+Software/76406/ -- John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it From vbacreations at gmail.com Thu Oct 13 09:10:05 2011 From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson) Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 10:10:05 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Optimizing query when select part requires a calculation In-Reply-To: References: <004b01cc8201$8fc0d7e0$af4287a0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Thank you. Yes a typo. They are not dentical the second one is 1b. They are comparing different fields for null. I guess I don't really understand join fields very well in a SQL statement that joins tables on multiple fields. I expect situations with sometimes table 1 and 2 both have a match on field A but not on B. And other records in 1 and 2 that match field B but don't match field A. That was why my I wrote method 2. Yes it is nonsensical but I don't really understand joins on more than one field. Thanks for explanation regarding. IN. On Oct 13, 2011 7:00 AM, "Arthur Fuller" wrote: > It seems you made a copy+paste error in your message. 1a and 1b seem > identical, even to the point of being both labelled 1a. > > Method 2 strikes me as nonsensical. How could a left join end up with nulls > on the first table? > > As for option 3, > > Any IN() or NOT IN() expression forces a full table scan, regardless of the > indexes available that might be more profitably used. Stay away from IN() > unless there's no other alternative. > > HTH, > Arthur > > On Mon, Oct 3, 2011 at 3:20 PM, William Benson (VBACreations.Com) < > vbacreations at gmail.com> wrote: > > > Optimizing a query that compares calculated result from each table. I > have > > 2 tables Tbl1 and Tbl2, each with the same two columns [A] and [B]; I > > wanted > > to ask Access what values from the combination of these two fields exist > in > > one but not the other. I used "|" as a separator. I want to know > > > > (1) Why method 1a and 1b are equivalent > > (2) Why Method 2 is not required (ie, why can I test either item for Null > > and it represents the combination is null, not the single field on its > own) > > (3) Why Method 3 takes hundreds of times longer > > > > > > > > 'METHOD 1a > > SELECT [Tbl1].[A] & "|" & [Tbl1].[B] AS ResultX > > FROM Tbl1 LEFT JOIN Tbl2 ON (Tbl1.[B] = Tbl2.[B]) AND (Tbl1.[A] = > Tbl2.[A]) > > WHERE Tbl2.A Is Null > > > > 'METHOD 1a > > SELECT [Tbl1].[A] & "|" & [Tbl1].[B] AS ResultX > > FROM Tbl1 LEFT JOIN Tbl2 ON (Tbl1.[B] = Tbl2.[B]) AND (Tbl1.[A] = > Tbl2.[A]) > > WHERE Tbl2.B Is Null > > > > 'METHOD 2 > > SELECT [Tbl1].[A] & "|" & [Tbl1].[B] AS ResultX > > FROM Tbl1 LEFT JOIN Tbl2 ON (Tbl1.[B] = Tbl2.[B]) AND (Tbl1.[A] = > Tbl2.[A]) > > WHERE (Tbl2.A Is Null OR Tbl2.B Is Null) <--- Testing both seems not > > necessary > > > > 'METHOD 3 > > Select [Tbl1].[A] & "|" & [Tbl1].[B] as ResultX > > From [Tbl1] > > Where > > [Tbl1].[A] & "|" & [Tbl1].[B] Not IN (Select [Tbl2].[A] & "|" & > > [Tbl2].[B] as ResultY From [Tbl2]) > > > > > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From fuller.artful at gmail.com Thu Oct 13 09:41:05 2011 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 10:41:05 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Optimizing query when select part requires a calculation In-Reply-To: References: <004b01cc8201$8fc0d7e0$af4287a0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Pursuant to IN(). An often-preferred alternative is to create a temp-table consisting of the values contained within the IN(), and then to join this to the real tables. The time taken to construct the temp-table is negligible. Once it's created, the natural joins do all the heavy lifting for you. Since you want to join on multiple columns, I suggest that you create a calculated (virtual) column on both tables, and then do the join on those columns. It might require a little addition to your documentation, but it cleans up the mess rather nicely, IMO. HTH, Arthur From vbacreations at gmail.com Thu Oct 13 11:18:33 2011 From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson (VBACreations.Com)) Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 12:18:33 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] See you in space! In-Reply-To: <4E96E21E.3080100@colbyconsulting.com> References: <4E96E21E.3080100@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <009601cc89c3$c164d2a0$442e77e0$@gmail.com> Good reward for the lucky someone. For sure it won't be a beauty contest or a popularity contest as most such are. Ha Ha Ha I take slight issue with the thought expressed "It's the humble DBA who makes it happen - the Master of Data who enables medical records to be summoned in the blink of an eye, keeps transport running smoothly, manages the data beneath the electrical grid for billions of people and provides instant access to news, music, phone calls, money and an endless supply of entertainment." I think there are a lot of roles involved... I don't mind recognizing DBAs for their part, but good luck without all the other technicians and developers and support people... and the sales people who help businesses see where they need to scale and what solutions meet their needs. I would sure hate to say DBAs don't have a meaningful place in the world and I don't want to get on their bad side... but I hate the repeated calls to hyperbole, on a seemingly endlessly revolving basis of "who's the next class of people to say we owe it all to." -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2011 9:06 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving; Sqlserver-Dba Subject: [AccessD] See you in space! http://www.sqlservercentral.com/articles/Red+Gate+Software/76406/ -- John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Thu Oct 13 15:45:32 2011 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 16:45:32 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] See you in space! In-Reply-To: <009601cc89c3$c164d2a0$442e77e0$@gmail.com> References: <4E96E21E.3080100@colbyconsulting.com> <009601cc89c3$c164d2a0$442e77e0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4E974DEC.8060009@colbyconsulting.com> LOL. Ya'll owe it all to me, that's who. ;) John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it On 10/13/2011 12:18 PM, William Benson (VBACreations.Com) wrote: > Good reward for the lucky someone. For sure it won't be a beauty contest or > a popularity contest as most such are. > > > Ha Ha Ha > > > > I take slight issue with the thought expressed "It's the humble DBA who > makes it happen - the Master of Data who enables medical records to be > summoned in the blink of an eye, keeps transport running smoothly, manages > the data beneath the electrical grid for billions of people and provides > instant access to news, music, phone calls, money and an endless supply of > entertainment." > > I think there are a lot of roles involved... I don't mind recognizing DBAs > for their part, but good luck without all the other technicians and > developers and support people... and the sales people who help businesses > see where they need to scale and what solutions meet their needs. > > I would sure hate to say DBAs don't have a meaningful place in the world and > I don't want to get on their bad side... but I hate the repeated calls to > hyperbole, on a seemingly endlessly revolving basis of "who's the next class > of people to say we owe it all to." > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby > Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2011 9:06 AM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving; Sqlserver-Dba > Subject: [AccessD] See you in space! > > > http://www.sqlservercentral.com/articles/Red+Gate+Software/76406/ From ab-mi at post3.tele.dk Thu Oct 13 15:59:31 2011 From: ab-mi at post3.tele.dk (Asger Blond) Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 22:59:31 +0200 Subject: [AccessD] Optimizing query when select part requires acalculation In-Reply-To: References: <004b01cc8201$8fc0d7e0$af4287a0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <597195726B444DA89560BE2B9650AFE7@abpc> Arthur, You wrote: >> Any IN() or NOT IN() expression forces a full table scan, >> regardless of the indexes available... This is simply not true. If the subquery in an IN clause have a WHERE condition on an indexed column then this index will certainly be used in a SEEK operation if the index is considered useful for the query optimizer. It will be used in exactly the same way as when the statement enclosed in the IN clause is run separately. Asger -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Arthur Fuller Sendt: 13. oktober 2011 12:59 Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Emne: Re: [AccessD] Optimizing query when select part requires acalculation It seems you made a copy+paste error in your message. 1a and 1b seem identical, even to the point of being both labelled 1a. Method 2 strikes me as nonsensical. How could a left join end up with nulls on the first table? As for option 3, Any IN() or NOT IN() expression forces a full table scan, regardless of the indexes available that might be more profitably used. Stay away from IN() unless there's no other alternative. HTH, Arthur On Mon, Oct 3, 2011 at 3:20 PM, William Benson (VBACreations.Com) < vbacreations at gmail.com> wrote: > Optimizing a query that compares calculated result from each table. I have > 2 tables Tbl1 and Tbl2, each with the same two columns [A] and [B]; I > wanted > to ask Access what values from the combination of these two fields exist in > one but not the other. I used "|" as a separator. I want to know > > (1) Why method 1a and 1b are equivalent > (2) Why Method 2 is not required (ie, why can I test either item for Null > and it represents the combination is null, not the single field on its own) > (3) Why Method 3 takes hundreds of times longer > > > > 'METHOD 1a > SELECT [Tbl1].[A] & "|" & [Tbl1].[B] AS ResultX > FROM Tbl1 LEFT JOIN Tbl2 ON (Tbl1.[B] = Tbl2.[B]) AND (Tbl1.[A] = Tbl2.[A]) > WHERE Tbl2.A Is Null > > 'METHOD 1a > SELECT [Tbl1].[A] & "|" & [Tbl1].[B] AS ResultX > FROM Tbl1 LEFT JOIN Tbl2 ON (Tbl1.[B] = Tbl2.[B]) AND (Tbl1.[A] = Tbl2.[A]) > WHERE Tbl2.B Is Null > > 'METHOD 2 > SELECT [Tbl1].[A] & "|" & [Tbl1].[B] AS ResultX > FROM Tbl1 LEFT JOIN Tbl2 ON (Tbl1.[B] = Tbl2.[B]) AND (Tbl1.[A] = Tbl2.[A]) > WHERE (Tbl2.A Is Null OR Tbl2.B Is Null) <--- Testing both seems not > necessary > > 'METHOD 3 > Select [Tbl1].[A] & "|" & [Tbl1].[B] as ResultX > From [Tbl1] > Where > [Tbl1].[A] & "|" & [Tbl1].[B] Not IN (Select [Tbl2].[A] & "|" & > [Tbl2].[B] as ResultY From [Tbl2]) > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From ab-mi at post3.tele.dk Thu Oct 13 16:30:59 2011 From: ab-mi at post3.tele.dk (Asger Blond) Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 23:30:59 +0200 Subject: [AccessD] Optimizing query when select part requires acalculation In-Reply-To: References: <004b01cc8201$8fc0d7e0$af4287a0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Did you make some performance tests using this method? IMO your method is just a kind of manually construction of what the query optimizer automatically does for you when use an IN clause. And my guess is that the query optimizer would do the job more efficient. Asger -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Arthur Fuller Sendt: 13. oktober 2011 16:41 Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Emne: Re: [AccessD] Optimizing query when select part requires acalculation Pursuant to IN(). An often-preferred alternative is to create a temp-table consisting of the values contained within the IN(), and then to join this to the real tables. The time taken to construct the temp-table is negligible. Once it's created, the natural joins do all the heavy lifting for you. Since you want to join on multiple columns, I suggest that you create a calculated (virtual) column on both tables, and then do the join on those columns. It might require a little addition to your documentation, but it cleans up the mess rather nicely, IMO. HTH, Arthur -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From davidmcafee at gmail.com Thu Oct 13 16:41:00 2011 From: davidmcafee at gmail.com (David McAfee) Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 14:41:00 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Optimizing query when select part requires acalculation In-Reply-To: References: <004b01cc8201$8fc0d7e0$af4287a0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: I have read that NOTIN() Can give erroneous results, but I forget why at the moment. I'm guilty of using it too :/ On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 2:30 PM, Asger Blond wrote: > Did you make some performance tests using this method? > IMO your method is just a kind of manually construction of what the query > optimizer automatically does for you when use an IN clause. And my guess is > that the query optimizer would do the job more efficient. > Asger > > -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- > Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto: > accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Arthur Fuller > Sendt: 13. oktober 2011 16:41 > Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Emne: Re: [AccessD] Optimizing query when select part requires acalculation > > Pursuant to IN(). An often-preferred alternative is to create a temp-table > consisting of the values contained within the IN(), and then to join this > to > the real tables. The time taken to construct the temp-table is negligible. > Once it's created, the natural joins do all the heavy lifting for you. > > Since you want to join on multiple columns, I suggest that you create a > calculated (virtual) column on both tables, and then do the join on those > columns. It might require a little addition to your documentation, but it > cleans up the mess rather nicely, IMO. > > HTH, > Arthur > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From ab-mi at post3.tele.dk Thu Oct 13 17:02:38 2011 From: ab-mi at post3.tele.dk (Asger Blond) Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2011 00:02:38 +0200 Subject: [AccessD] Optimizing query when select part requiresacalculation In-Reply-To: References: <004b01cc8201$8fc0d7e0$af4287a0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <9357134BE7F641A5AAD46149B2FD8C50@abpc> David, Don't disseminate rumors... Maybe you just NOT have it IN. Couldn?t resist and no offence meant ;-) Asger -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af David McAfee Sendt: 13. oktober 2011 23:41 Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Emne: Re: [AccessD] Optimizing query when select part requiresacalculation I have read that NOTIN() Can give erroneous results, but I forget why at the moment. I'm guilty of using it too :/ On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 2:30 PM, Asger Blond wrote: > Did you make some performance tests using this method? > IMO your method is just a kind of manually construction of what the query > optimizer automatically does for you when use an IN clause. And my guess is > that the query optimizer would do the job more efficient. > Asger > > -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- > Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto: > accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Arthur Fuller > Sendt: 13. oktober 2011 16:41 > Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Emne: Re: [AccessD] Optimizing query when select part requires acalculation > > Pursuant to IN(). An often-preferred alternative is to create a temp-table > consisting of the values contained within the IN(), and then to join this > to > the real tables. The time taken to construct the temp-table is negligible. > Once it's created, the natural joins do all the heavy lifting for you. > > Since you want to join on multiple columns, I suggest that you create a > calculated (virtual) column on both tables, and then do the join on those > columns. It might require a little addition to your documentation, but it > cleans up the mess rather nicely, IMO. > > HTH, > Arthur > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From davidmcafee at gmail.com Thu Oct 13 17:19:12 2011 From: davidmcafee at gmail.com (David McAfee) Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 15:19:12 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Optimizing query when select part requiresacalculation In-Reply-To: <9357134BE7F641A5AAD46149B2FD8C50@abpc> References: <004b01cc8201$8fc0d7e0$af4287a0$@gmail.com> <9357134BE7F641A5AAD46149B2FD8C50@abpc> Message-ID: Did you feel that? Feel what? :) On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 3:02 PM, Asger Blond wrote: > David, > Don't disseminate rumors... > Maybe you just NOT have it IN. > Couldn?t resist and no offence meant ;-) > Asger > > -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- > Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto: > accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af David McAfee > Sendt: 13. oktober 2011 23:41 > Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Emne: Re: [AccessD] Optimizing query when select part requiresacalculation > > I have read that NOTIN() Can give erroneous results, but I forget why at > the > moment. > > I'm guilty of using it too :/ > > > > On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 2:30 PM, Asger Blond wrote: > > > Did you make some performance tests using this method? > > IMO your method is just a kind of manually construction of what the query > > optimizer automatically does for you when use an IN clause. And my guess > is > > that the query optimizer would do the job more efficient. > > Asger > > > > -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- > > Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto: > > accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Arthur Fuller > > Sendt: 13. oktober 2011 16:41 > > Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > > Emne: Re: [AccessD] Optimizing query when select part requires > acalculation > > > > Pursuant to IN(). An often-preferred alternative is to create a > temp-table > > consisting of the values contained within the IN(), and then to join this > > to > > the real tables. The time taken to construct the temp-table is > negligible. > > Once it's created, the natural joins do all the heavy lifting for you. > > > > Since you want to join on multiple columns, I suggest that you create a > > calculated (virtual) column on both tables, and then do the join on those > > columns. It might require a little addition to your documentation, but it > > cleans up the mess rather nicely, IMO. > > > > HTH, > > Arthur > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From ab-mi at post3.tele.dk Thu Oct 13 17:40:10 2011 From: ab-mi at post3.tele.dk (Asger Blond) Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2011 00:40:10 +0200 Subject: [AccessD] Optimizing query when select part requiresacalculation In-Reply-To: References: <004b01cc8201$8fc0d7e0$af4287a0$@gmail.com><9357134BE7F641A5AAD46149B2FD8C50@abpc> Message-ID: Well, I wasn't writing about feelings. But when asked so frankly then: Certainly NOT... Asger -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af David McAfee Sendt: 14. oktober 2011 00:19 Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Emne: Re: [AccessD] Optimizing query when select part requiresacalculation Did you feel that? Feel what? :) On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 3:02 PM, Asger Blond wrote: > David, > Don't disseminate rumors... > Maybe you just NOT have it IN. > Couldn?t resist and no offence meant ;-) > Asger > > -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- > Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto: > accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af David McAfee > Sendt: 13. oktober 2011 23:41 > Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Emne: Re: [AccessD] Optimizing query when select part requiresacalculation > > I have read that NOTIN() Can give erroneous results, but I forget why at > the > moment. > > I'm guilty of using it too :/ > > > > On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 2:30 PM, Asger Blond wrote: > > > Did you make some performance tests using this method? > > IMO your method is just a kind of manually construction of what the query > > optimizer automatically does for you when use an IN clause. And my guess > is > > that the query optimizer would do the job more efficient. > > Asger > > > > -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- > > Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto: > > accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Arthur Fuller > > Sendt: 13. oktober 2011 16:41 > > Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > > Emne: Re: [AccessD] Optimizing query when select part requires > acalculation > > > > Pursuant to IN(). An often-preferred alternative is to create a > temp-table > > consisting of the values contained within the IN(), and then to join this > > to > > the real tables. The time taken to construct the temp-table is > negligible. > > Once it's created, the natural joins do all the heavy lifting for you. > > > > Since you want to join on multiple columns, I suggest that you create a > > calculated (virtual) column on both tables, and then do the join on those > > columns. It might require a little addition to your documentation, but it > > cleans up the mess rather nicely, IMO. > > > > HTH, > > Arthur > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From davidmcafee at gmail.com Thu Oct 13 17:44:45 2011 From: davidmcafee at gmail.com (David McAfee) Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 15:44:45 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Optimizing query when select part requiresacalculation In-Reply-To: References: <004b01cc8201$8fc0d7e0$af4287a0$@gmail.com> <9357134BE7F641A5AAD46149B2FD8C50@abpc> Message-ID: :) Here's how Nulls affect NOTIN() http://www.simple-talk.com/sql/t-sql-programming/ten-common-sql-programming-mistakes/ On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 3:40 PM, Asger Blond wrote: > > Well, I wasn't writing about feelings. But when asked so frankly then: > Certainly NOT... > Asger > > -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- > Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto: > accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af David McAfee > Sendt: 14. oktober 2011 00:19 > Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Emne: Re: [AccessD] Optimizing query when select part requiresacalculation > > Did you feel that? > > Feel what? :) > > > > On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 3:02 PM, Asger Blond wrote: > > > David, > > Don't disseminate rumors... > > Maybe you just NOT have it IN. > > Couldn?t resist and no offence meant ;-) > > Asger > > > > -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- > > Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto: > > accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af David McAfee > > Sendt: 13. oktober 2011 23:41 > > Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > > Emne: Re: [AccessD] Optimizing query when select part > requiresacalculation > > > > I have read that NOTIN() Can give erroneous results, but I forget why at > > the > > moment. > > > > I'm guilty of using it too :/ > > > > > > > > On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 2:30 PM, Asger Blond > wrote: > > > > > Did you make some performance tests using this method? > > > IMO your method is just a kind of manually construction of what the > query > > > optimizer automatically does for you when use an IN clause. And my > guess > > is > > > that the query optimizer would do the job more efficient. > > > Asger > > > > > > -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- > > > Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto: > > > accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Arthur Fuller > > > Sendt: 13. oktober 2011 16:41 > > > Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > > > Emne: Re: [AccessD] Optimizing query when select part requires > > acalculation > > > > > > Pursuant to IN(). An often-preferred alternative is to create a > > temp-table > > > consisting of the values contained within the IN(), and then to join > this > > > to > > > the real tables. The time taken to construct the temp-table is > > negligible. > > > Once it's created, the natural joins do all the heavy lifting for you. > > > > > > Since you want to join on multiple columns, I suggest that you create a > > > calculated (virtual) column on both tables, and then do the join on > those > > > columns. It might require a little addition to your documentation, but > it > > > cleans up the mess rather nicely, IMO. > > > > > > HTH, > > > Arthur > > > -- > > > AccessD mailing list > > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > > -- > > > AccessD mailing list > > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From ab-mi at post3.tele.dk Fri Oct 14 07:08:30 2011 From: ab-mi at post3.tele.dk (Asger Blond) Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2011 14:08:30 +0200 Subject: [AccessD] Optimizing query when select part requiresacalculation In-Reply-To: References: <004b01cc8201$8fc0d7e0$af4287a0$@gmail.com><9357134BE7F641A5AAD46149B2FD8C50@abpc> Message-ID: Thank for pointing out the paper - excellent, should be mandatory reading for all SQL programmers! Asger -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af David McAfee Sendt: 14. oktober 2011 00:45 Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Emne: Re: [AccessD] Optimizing query when select part requiresacalculation :) Here's how Nulls affect NOTIN() http://www.simple-talk.com/sql/t-sql-programming/ten-common-sql-programming-mistakes/ On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 3:40 PM, Asger Blond wrote: > > Well, I wasn't writing about feelings. But when asked so frankly then: > Certainly NOT... > Asger > > -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- > Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto: > accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af David McAfee > Sendt: 14. oktober 2011 00:19 > Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Emne: Re: [AccessD] Optimizing query when select part requiresacalculation > > Did you feel that? > > Feel what? :) > > > > On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 3:02 PM, Asger Blond wrote: > > > David, > > Don't disseminate rumors... > > Maybe you just NOT have it IN. > > Couldn?t resist and no offence meant ;-) > > Asger > > > > -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- > > Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto: > > accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af David McAfee > > Sendt: 13. oktober 2011 23:41 > > Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > > Emne: Re: [AccessD] Optimizing query when select part > requiresacalculation > > > > I have read that NOTIN() Can give erroneous results, but I forget why at > > the > > moment. > > > > I'm guilty of using it too :/ > > > > > > > > On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 2:30 PM, Asger Blond > wrote: > > > > > Did you make some performance tests using this method? > > > IMO your method is just a kind of manually construction of what the > query > > > optimizer automatically does for you when use an IN clause. And my > guess > > is > > > that the query optimizer would do the job more efficient. > > > Asger > > > > > > -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- > > > Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto: > > > accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Arthur Fuller > > > Sendt: 13. oktober 2011 16:41 > > > Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > > > Emne: Re: [AccessD] Optimizing query when select part requires > > acalculation > > > > > > Pursuant to IN(). An often-preferred alternative is to create a > > temp-table > > > consisting of the values contained within the IN(), and then to join > this > > > to > > > the real tables. The time taken to construct the temp-table is > > negligible. > > > Once it's created, the natural joins do all the heavy lifting for you. > > > > > > Since you want to join on multiple columns, I suggest that you create a > > > calculated (virtual) column on both tables, and then do the join on > those > > > columns. It might require a little addition to your documentation, but > it > > > cleans up the mess rather nicely, IMO. > > > > > > HTH, > > > Arthur > > > -- > > > AccessD mailing list > > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > > -- > > > AccessD mailing list > > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Fri Oct 14 08:52:27 2011 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2011 09:52:27 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Optimizing query when select part requires acalculation In-Reply-To: <597195726B444DA89560BE2B9650AFE7@abpc> References: <004b01cc8201$8fc0d7e0$af4287a0$@gmail.com> <597195726B444DA89560BE2B9650AFE7@abpc> Message-ID: I stand corrected. Thanks for this. Arthur On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 4:59 PM, Asger Blond wrote: > Arthur, > You wrote: > >> Any IN() or NOT IN() expression forces a full table scan, > >> regardless of the indexes available... > This is simply not true. If the subquery in an IN clause have a WHERE > condition on an indexed column then this index will certainly be used in a > SEEK operation if the index is considered useful for the query optimizer. It > will be used in exactly the same way as when the statement enclosed in the > IN clause is run separately. > Asger > > From rlister at actuarial-files.com Fri Oct 14 20:07:50 2011 From: rlister at actuarial-files.com (Ralf Lister) Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2011 21:07:50 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Where Condition in DoCmd.OpenReport Message-ID: <000601cc8ad6$dea8f170$9bfad450$@com> Hello, I want to print a report whose recordsource is a query. This very query has four records. One has in the field AAA a number stored. In the remaining three records the field AAA is empty. I want to print the report only for the record whose field AAA has a number stored. Therefore I set the WhereCondition in the "DoCmd.OpenReport" command to "IsNumeric(Me!AAA)". But it didn't work as expected. What did I do wrong? TIA and Saludos Actuary Ralf Lister La Paz, Bolivia From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Fri Oct 14 20:15:06 2011 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2011 11:15:06 +1000 Subject: [AccessD] Where Condition in DoCmd.OpenReport In-Reply-To: <000601cc8ad6$dea8f170$9bfad450$@com> References: <000601cc8ad6$dea8f170$9bfad450$@com> Message-ID: <4E98DE9A.2631.A065DFB@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> IsNumeric returns True for NULLs. Try ISNULL(). -- Stuart On 14 Oct 2011 at 21:07, Ralf Lister wrote: > Hello, > > I want to print a report whose recordsource is a query. This very > query has four records. One has in the field AAA a number stored. In > the remaining three records the field AAA is empty. I want to print > the report only for the record whose field AAA has a number stored. > > Therefore I set the WhereCondition in the "DoCmd.OpenReport" command > to "IsNumeric(Me!AAA)". But it didn't work as expected. What did I do > wrong? > > TIA and Saludos > Actuary Ralf Lister > La Paz, Bolivia > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From steve at datamanagementsolutions.biz Sat Oct 15 03:09:03 2011 From: steve at datamanagementsolutions.biz (Steve Schapel) Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2011 21:09:03 +1300 Subject: [AccessD] Where Condition in DoCmd.OpenReport In-Reply-To: <000601cc8ad6$dea8f170$9bfad450$@com> References: <000601cc8ad6$dea8f170$9bfad450$@com> Message-ID: <7CA60D9B36EE4310B57B6FBB13C27291@stevelaptop> Ralf In addition to Stuart's suggestion, I think the 'Me!' is also not correct. I would try your Where Condition argument as: "[AAA] Is Not Null" Regards Steve -----Original Message----- From: Ralf Lister Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2011 2:07 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: [AccessD] Where Condition in DoCmd.OpenReport Hello, I want to print a report whose recordsource is a query. This very query has four records. One has in the field AAA a number stored. In the remaining three records the field AAA is empty. I want to print the report only for the record whose field AAA has a number stored. Therefore I set the WhereCondition in the "DoCmd.OpenReport" command to "IsNumeric(Me!AAA)". But it didn't work as expected. What did I do wrong? TIA and Saludos Actuary Ralf Lister La Paz, Bolivia From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Sat Oct 15 08:42:33 2011 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2011 09:42:33 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Death of a giant Message-ID: <4E998DC9.8000206@colbyconsulting.com> http://arstechnica.com/business/news/2011/10/dennis-ritchie-the-giant-whose-shoulders-we-stand-on.ars -- John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it From rbgajewski at roadrunner.com Sat Oct 15 10:58:56 2011 From: rbgajewski at roadrunner.com (Bob Gajewski) Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2011 11:58:56 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Record navigation - find versus new Message-ID: <2A7C913116664297953CD35264C19070@7B440585K> Hi All I am having trouble with what is probably one of the most basic functions, but I just can't figure it out and would really appreciate if someone could point me in the right direction. I have a data entry form, with one of the key fields called TransactionsEntryNumber (text, length=8, required, indexed, duplicates not allowed). I am trying to write the code so that when a user types in an entry number, the code looks to see if it exists ... if it does, go to the existing record ... if not, continue to the next field as a new record. Private Sub TransactionsEntryNumber_Exit(Cancel As Integer) If IsNull(TransactionsEntryNumber) Or TransactionsEntryNumber = "" Then Dim Msg As String, Response As Integer Msg = "Do you want to have an entry number assigned?" Response = MsgBox(Msg, vbYesNo + vbQuestion + vbDefaultButton1, "Entry Number Assignment") If Response = vbYes Then TransactionsEntryNumber = fAssignEntryNumber(TransactionsFilerCodeID.Column(1), DMax("TransactionsEntryNumber", "tblTransactions"), 1) Else Cancel = True Exit Sub End If Else DoCmd.FindRecord TransactionsEntryNumber, acEntire, True, acSearchAll, True, acCurrent, True End If End Sub The 'new' part works perfectly ... probably because I'm starting the user in a new record: Private Sub Form_Open(Cancel As Integer) DoCmd.GoToRecord , , acNewRec End Sub ... it's the 'find' that keeps failing (error: unable to save; would create duplicate) Run-time error '3022': The changes you requested to the table were not successful because they would create duplicate values in the index, primary key, or relationship. Change the data in the field or fields that contain the duplicate data, remove the index, or redefine the index to permit duplicate entries and try again. Is it as simple as trapping the error? Or should I use two controls and stack them? Thanks, as usual Bob Gajewski From accessd at shaw.ca Sat Oct 15 11:22:56 2011 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2011 09:22:56 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Death of a giant In-Reply-To: <4E998DC9.8000206@colbyconsulting.com> References: <4E998DC9.8000206@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <6530143C07944FC8B24D3D3365D4139B@creativesystemdesigns.com> The DBA has been touched with death these weeks, first Drew, our brilliant local hacker, second, Steve the visionary and finally Dennis the founder. Jim -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2011 6:43 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: [AccessD] Death of a giant http://arstechnica.com/business/news/2011/10/dennis-ritchie-the-giant-whose- shoulders-we-stand-on.ars -- John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From charlotte.foust at gmail.com Sat Oct 15 11:57:27 2011 From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust) Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2011 09:57:27 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Record navigation - find versus new In-Reply-To: <2A7C913116664297953CD35264C19070@7B440585K> References: <2A7C913116664297953CD35264C19070@7B440585K> Message-ID: What are the Data Entry and Allow Edits properties on the form set to? Charlotte Foust On Sat, Oct 15, 2011 at 8:58 AM, Bob Gajewski wrote: > Hi All > > I am having trouble with what is probably one of the most basic functions, > but I just can't figure it out and would really appreciate if someone could > point me in the right direction. > > I have a data entry form, with one of the key fields called > TransactionsEntryNumber (text, length=8, required, indexed, duplicates not > allowed). I am trying to write the code so that when a user types in an > entry number, the code looks to see if it exists ... if it does, go to the > existing record ... if not, continue to the next field as a new record. > > > Private Sub TransactionsEntryNumber_Exit(Cancel As Integer) > If IsNull(TransactionsEntryNumber) Or TransactionsEntryNumber = "" Then > Dim Msg As String, Response As Integer > Msg = "Do you want to have an entry number assigned?" > Response = MsgBox(Msg, vbYesNo + vbQuestion + vbDefaultButton1, > "Entry Number Assignment") > If Response = vbYes Then > TransactionsEntryNumber = > fAssignEntryNumber(TransactionsFilerCodeID.Column(1), > DMax("TransactionsEntryNumber", "tblTransactions"), 1) > Else > Cancel = True > Exit Sub > End If > Else > DoCmd.FindRecord TransactionsEntryNumber, acEntire, True, > acSearchAll, True, acCurrent, True > End If > End Sub > > > The 'new' part works perfectly ... probably because I'm starting the user > in > a new record: > > Private Sub Form_Open(Cancel As Integer) > DoCmd.GoToRecord , , acNewRec > End Sub > > ... it's the 'find' that keeps failing (error: unable to save; would create > duplicate) > > > Run-time error '3022': > > The changes you requested to the table were not successful because they > would > create duplicate values in the index, primary key, or relationship. > Change the data > in the field or fields that contain the duplicate data, remove the > index, or redefine > the index to permit duplicate entries and try again. > > > Is it as simple as trapping the error? Or should I use two controls and > stack them? > > Thanks, as usual > Bob Gajewski > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > From steve at datamanagementsolutions.biz Sat Oct 15 14:08:22 2011 From: steve at datamanagementsolutions.biz (Steve Schapel) Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2011 08:08:22 +1300 Subject: [AccessD] Record navigation - find versus new In-Reply-To: <2A7C913116664297953CD35264C19070@7B440585K> References: <2A7C913116664297953CD35264C19070@7B440585K> Message-ID: <152A9688951040109DC62E911448EF03@stevelaptop> Bob The FindRecord action requires that the focus is on the control for the field being referenced. Therefore you are going to need this in your code: Me.TransactionsEntryNumber.SetFocus However, without trying it, I'm not sure exactly how this is going to go, given that your code relates to the Exit event of that very control. I don't think it will work to set focus to a control on its own Exit event. If it was mine, I would use an unbound textbox for the user to initially enter the number in, and use the After Update event of that control to run your code. If the number doesn't already exist, have your code write it to the TransactionsEntryNumber field. If it does, use SetFocus as mentioned above, prior to your FindRecord. (In both cases, have the code clear the unbound textbox: Me.MyTextbox = Null - to avoid confusion. In this type of scenario I normally have a different background colour for an unbound textbox or combobox, to make it clearer that it is for a special purpose.) Regards Steve -----Original Message----- From: Bob Gajewski Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2011 4:58 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: [AccessD] Record navigation - find versus new Hi All I am having trouble with what is probably one of the most basic functions, but I just can't figure it out and would really appreciate if someone could point me in the right direction. I have a data entry form, with one of the key fields called TransactionsEntryNumber (text, length=8, required, indexed, duplicates not allowed). I am trying to write the code so that when a user types in an entry number, the code looks to see if it exists ... if it does, go to the existing record ... if not, continue to the next field as a new record. Private Sub TransactionsEntryNumber_Exit(Cancel As Integer) If IsNull(TransactionsEntryNumber) Or TransactionsEntryNumber = "" Then Dim Msg As String, Response As Integer Msg = "Do you want to have an entry number assigned?" Response = MsgBox(Msg, vbYesNo + vbQuestion + vbDefaultButton1, "Entry Number Assignment") If Response = vbYes Then TransactionsEntryNumber = fAssignEntryNumber(TransactionsFilerCodeID.Column(1), DMax("TransactionsEntryNumber", "tblTransactions"), 1) Else Cancel = True Exit Sub End If Else DoCmd.FindRecord TransactionsEntryNumber, acEntire, True, acSearchAll, True, acCurrent, True End If End Sub The 'new' part works perfectly ... probably because I'm starting the user in a new record: Private Sub Form_Open(Cancel As Integer) DoCmd.GoToRecord , , acNewRec End Sub ... it's the 'find' that keeps failing (error: unable to save; would create duplicate) Run-time error '3022': The changes you requested to the table were not successful because they would create duplicate values in the index, primary key, or relationship. Change the data in the field or fields that contain the duplicate data, remove the index, or redefine the index to permit duplicate entries and try again. Is it as simple as trapping the error? Or should I use two controls and stack them? Thanks, as usual Bob Gajewski From rbgajewski at roadrunner.com Sat Oct 15 15:43:10 2011 From: rbgajewski at roadrunner.com (Bob Gajewski) Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2011 16:43:10 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Record navigation - find versus new In-Reply-To: References: <2A7C913116664297953CD35264C19070@7B440585K> Message-ID: <025C543E420E422394F127540570AD84@7B440585K> DataEntry = No AllowEdits = Yes -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2011 12:57 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Record navigation - find versus new What are the Data Entry and Allow Edits properties on the form set to? Charlotte Foust On Sat, Oct 15, 2011 at 8:58 AM, Bob Gajewski wrote: > Hi All > > I am having trouble with what is probably one of the most basic > functions, but I just can't figure it out and would really appreciate > if someone could point me in the right direction. > > I have a data entry form, with one of the key fields called > TransactionsEntryNumber (text, length=8, required, indexed, duplicates > not allowed). I am trying to write the code so that when a user types > in an entry number, the code looks to see if it exists ... if it does, > go to the existing record ... if not, continue to the next field as a new record. > > > Private Sub TransactionsEntryNumber_Exit(Cancel As Integer) > If IsNull(TransactionsEntryNumber) Or TransactionsEntryNumber = "" Then > Dim Msg As String, Response As Integer > Msg = "Do you want to have an entry number assigned?" > Response = MsgBox(Msg, vbYesNo + vbQuestion + vbDefaultButton1, > "Entry Number Assignment") > If Response = vbYes Then > TransactionsEntryNumber = > fAssignEntryNumber(TransactionsFilerCodeID.Column(1), > DMax("TransactionsEntryNumber", "tblTransactions"), 1) > Else > Cancel = True > Exit Sub > End If > Else > DoCmd.FindRecord TransactionsEntryNumber, acEntire, True, > acSearchAll, True, acCurrent, True > End If > End Sub > > > The 'new' part works perfectly ... probably because I'm starting the > user in a new record: > > Private Sub Form_Open(Cancel As Integer) > DoCmd.GoToRecord , , acNewRec > End Sub > > ... it's the 'find' that keeps failing (error: unable to save; would > create > duplicate) > > > Run-time error '3022': > > The changes you requested to the table were not successful because > they would > create duplicate values in the index, primary key, or relationship. > Change the data > in the field or fields that contain the duplicate data, remove the > index, or redefine > the index to permit duplicate entries and try again. > > > Is it as simple as trapping the error? Or should I use two controls > and stack them? > > Thanks, as usual > Bob Gajewski > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From charlotte.foust at gmail.com Sat Oct 15 17:51:20 2011 From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust) Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2011 15:51:20 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Record navigation - find versus new In-Reply-To: <025C543E420E422394F127540570AD84@7B440585K> References: <2A7C913116664297953CD35264C19070@7B440585K> <025C543E420E422394F127540570AD84@7B440585K> Message-ID: So after the find, the values in the found record are displayed in the form? If not, it t sounds like you might have AllowAdditions set to Yes, in which case, you are trying to create a duplicate record even if you don't intend to. DataEntry is only in effect if AllowAdditions is turned on IIRRC. Charlotte Foust On Sat, Oct 15, 2011 at 1:43 PM, Bob Gajewski wrote: > DataEntry = No > AllowEdits = Yes > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust > Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2011 12:57 PM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Record navigation - find versus new > > What are the Data Entry and Allow Edits properties on the form set to? > > Charlotte Foust > On Sat, Oct 15, 2011 at 8:58 AM, Bob Gajewski > wrote: > > > Hi All > > > > I am having trouble with what is probably one of the most basic > > functions, but I just can't figure it out and would really appreciate > > if someone could point me in the right direction. > > > > I have a data entry form, with one of the key fields called > > TransactionsEntryNumber (text, length=8, required, indexed, duplicates > > not allowed). I am trying to write the code so that when a user types > > in an entry number, the code looks to see if it exists ... if it does, > > go to the existing record ... if not, continue to the next field as a new > record. > > > > > > Private Sub TransactionsEntryNumber_Exit(Cancel As Integer) > > If IsNull(TransactionsEntryNumber) Or TransactionsEntryNumber = "" > Then > > Dim Msg As String, Response As Integer > > Msg = "Do you want to have an entry number assigned?" > > Response = MsgBox(Msg, vbYesNo + vbQuestion + vbDefaultButton1, > > "Entry Number Assignment") > > If Response = vbYes Then > > TransactionsEntryNumber = > > fAssignEntryNumber(TransactionsFilerCodeID.Column(1), > > DMax("TransactionsEntryNumber", "tblTransactions"), 1) > > Else > > Cancel = True > > Exit Sub > > End If > > Else > > DoCmd.FindRecord TransactionsEntryNumber, acEntire, True, > > acSearchAll, True, acCurrent, True > > End If > > End Sub > > > > > > The 'new' part works perfectly ... probably because I'm starting the > > user in a new record: > > > > Private Sub Form_Open(Cancel As Integer) > > DoCmd.GoToRecord , , acNewRec > > End Sub > > > > ... it's the 'find' that keeps failing (error: unable to save; would > > create > > duplicate) > > > > > > Run-time error '3022': > > > > The changes you requested to the table were not successful because > > they would > > create duplicate values in the index, primary key, or relationship. > > Change the data > > in the field or fields that contain the duplicate data, remove the > > index, or redefine > > the index to permit duplicate entries and try again. > > > > > > Is it as simple as trapping the error? Or should I use two controls > > and stack them? > > > > Thanks, as usual > > Bob Gajewski > > > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > > > > > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > From marksimms at verizon.net Sat Oct 15 18:50:43 2011 From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms) Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2011 19:50:43 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Death of a giant In-Reply-To: <4E998DC9.8000206@colbyconsulting.com> References: <4E998DC9.8000206@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <001501cc8b95$40b9d410$c22d7c30$@net> Jobs was a huge proponent for Objective C...and he hated JAVA. From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Sat Oct 15 22:52:01 2011 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2011 23:52:01 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] For those in need Message-ID: <4E9A54E1.5020609@colbyconsulting.com> Who think my server is puny... http://www.nccs.gov/computing-resources/jaguar/access/ You too can do super computing. -- John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it From BradM at blackforestltd.com Sun Oct 16 16:13:38 2011 From: BradM at blackforestltd.com (Brad Marks) Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2011 16:13:38 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Data on Report does not match data in the Report's Record Source References: <4E9A54E1.5020609@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: All, I believe that this is the strangest thing I have ever seen in Access 2007. We have a purchased package which uses a Firebird Database. All of the tables are defined by the application vendor. We are able to access the Firebird tables from Access 2007 via ODBC. This combination has worked nicely in numerous tests that we have conducted over the past 2-3 months. A few days ago, I happened to notice that the data on one report does not match the data in the Report's Record Source (a query). I have conducted many tests on two different PCs and the results are consistent. The data on the report is correct, but the data in the underlying Record Source is not correct. If I look at the Access "Linked Table" (Which is stored in the Firebird Database), the data is not correct (but I can make it appear correct by doing a Refresh in Access). If I view the data with the Firebird Utility called "isql", the data is correct. I have spent many hours trying different things and running various tests (and pulling my hair out). In summary... Data on Report = Correct Data from Firebird "isql" utility = Correct Data in Report's Record Source (query) = Not Correct Data shown by viewing "Linked Table" = Not correct (although I can make it appear correct by doing a "Refresh" in Access) Data as viewed via the purchased application = Correct We have conducted many tests with the Firebird Database - Access 2007 combination over the past few months, so we have some experience, but not a huge amount. My latest theory is that the problem lies in the ODBC driver. This would explain why the data appears correct with isql but appears incorrect when initially viewed as an Access 2007 Linked Table. However, this still doesn't explain why the data on the report is correct when the data in the report's record source is incorrect. Has anyone ever heard of anything like this before? Has anyone worked with Access in combination with data from Firebird database tables? Thanks for your help, Brad From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Sun Oct 16 17:41:20 2011 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2011 08:41:20 +1000 Subject: [AccessD] Data on Report does not match data in the Report's Record Source In-Reply-To: References: <4E9A54E1.5020609@colbyconsulting.com>, Message-ID: <4E9B5D90.18431.13C654DB@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> If the structure of the Firebird table has changed, you should relink the tables. On 16 Oct 2011 at 16:13, Brad Marks wrote: > All, > > I believe that this is the strangest thing I have ever seen in Access > 2007. > > We have a purchased package which uses a Firebird Database. All of the > tables are defined by the application vendor. We are able to access > the Firebird tables from Access 2007 via ODBC. This combination has > worked nicely in numerous tests that we have conducted over the past > 2-3 months. > > A few days ago, I happened to notice that the data on one report does > not match the data in the Report's Record Source (a query). I have > conducted many tests on two different PCs and the results are > consistent. The data on the report is correct, but the data in the > underlying Record Source is not correct. If I look at the Access > "Linked Table" (Which is stored in the Firebird Database), the data is > not correct (but I can make it appear correct by doing a Refresh in > Access). > > If I view the data with the Firebird Utility called "isql", the data > is correct. > > I have spent many hours trying different things and running various > tests (and pulling my hair out). > > > In summary... > > Data on Report = Correct > > Data from Firebird "isql" utility = Correct > > Data in Report's Record Source (query) = Not Correct > > Data shown by viewing "Linked Table" = Not correct (although I can > make it appear correct by doing a "Refresh" in Access) > > Data as viewed via the purchased application = Correct > > We have conducted many tests with the Firebird Database - Access 2007 > combination over the past few months, so we have some experience, but > not a huge amount. > > My latest theory is that the problem lies in the ODBC driver. > > This would explain why the data appears correct with isql but appears > incorrect when initially viewed as an Access 2007 Linked Table. > > However, this still doesn't explain why the data on the report is > correct when the data in the report's record source is incorrect. > > Has anyone ever heard of anything like this before? > > Has anyone worked with Access in combination with data from Firebird > database tables? > > Thanks for your help, > > Brad > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From marksimms at verizon.net Sun Oct 16 19:27:21 2011 From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms) Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2011 20:27:21 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Data on Report does not match data in the Report's Record Source In-Reply-To: <4E9B5D90.18431.13C654DB@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: <4E9A54E1.5020609@colbyconsulting.com>, <4E9B5D90.18431.13C654DB@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <001e01cc8c63$8938be30$9baa3a90$@net> > If the structure of the Firebird table has changed, you should relink > the tables. If that doesn't solve the problem, then this is a BIG TIME bug that has snuck thru 2007-SP2. If that's true, I'll bet it has persisted in 2010. From jimdettman at verizon.net Sun Oct 16 19:59:36 2011 From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman) Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2011 20:59:36 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Data on Report does not match data in the Report's RecordSource In-Reply-To: References: <4E9A54E1.5020609@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: Watch out with reports; 2007 introduced Report View, which will show you odd data at times. Lots of strange things can happen there as most of the report events don't fire. If your depending on any code to support the report, you may see different things. Sounds like your problem is more then that though. I'd also look at database corruption; create a new DB and import everything into it, then see if you get the same results. If you do, that would be wild; I've never heard of anything even remotely close to this. I would also seriously doubt it could be wide spread as 2007 has now been out for over four years. It would be good if you could go into a little more detail on what it is your seeing. Ie. more records? Different field values for the same records? Keep us updated.... Jim. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brad Marks Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2011 05:14 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: [AccessD] Data on Report does not match data in the Report's RecordSource All, I believe that this is the strangest thing I have ever seen in Access 2007. We have a purchased package which uses a Firebird Database. All of the tables are defined by the application vendor. We are able to access the Firebird tables from Access 2007 via ODBC. This combination has worked nicely in numerous tests that we have conducted over the past 2-3 months. A few days ago, I happened to notice that the data on one report does not match the data in the Report's Record Source (a query). I have conducted many tests on two different PCs and the results are consistent. The data on the report is correct, but the data in the underlying Record Source is not correct. If I look at the Access "Linked Table" (Which is stored in the Firebird Database), the data is not correct (but I can make it appear correct by doing a Refresh in Access). If I view the data with the Firebird Utility called "isql", the data is correct. I have spent many hours trying different things and running various tests (and pulling my hair out). In summary... Data on Report = Correct Data from Firebird "isql" utility = Correct Data in Report's Record Source (query) = Not Correct Data shown by viewing "Linked Table" = Not correct (although I can make it appear correct by doing a "Refresh" in Access) Data as viewed via the purchased application = Correct We have conducted many tests with the Firebird Database - Access 2007 combination over the past few months, so we have some experience, but not a huge amount. My latest theory is that the problem lies in the ODBC driver. This would explain why the data appears correct with isql but appears incorrect when initially viewed as an Access 2007 Linked Table. However, this still doesn't explain why the data on the report is correct when the data in the report's record source is incorrect. Has anyone ever heard of anything like this before? Has anyone worked with Access in combination with data from Firebird database tables? Thanks for your help, Brad -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From BradM at blackforestltd.com Sun Oct 16 20:09:54 2011 From: BradM at blackforestltd.com (Brad Marks) Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2011 20:09:54 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Data on Report does not match data in the Report'sRecord Source References: <4E9A54E1.5020609@colbyconsulting.com>, <4E9B5D90.18431.13C654DB@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: Stuart, Thanks for the help. No, the structure of the Firebird tables has not changed. Brad -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2011 5:41 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Data on Report does not match data in the Report'sRecord Source If the structure of the Firebird table has changed, you should relink the tables. On 16 Oct 2011 at 16:13, Brad Marks wrote: > All, > > I believe that this is the strangest thing I have ever seen in Access > 2007. > > We have a purchased package which uses a Firebird Database. All of the > tables are defined by the application vendor. We are able to access > the Firebird tables from Access 2007 via ODBC. This combination has > worked nicely in numerous tests that we have conducted over the past > 2-3 months. > > A few days ago, I happened to notice that the data on one report does > not match the data in the Report's Record Source (a query). I have > conducted many tests on two different PCs and the results are > consistent. The data on the report is correct, but the data in the > underlying Record Source is not correct. If I look at the Access > "Linked Table" (Which is stored in the Firebird Database), the data is > not correct (but I can make it appear correct by doing a Refresh in > Access). > > If I view the data with the Firebird Utility called "isql", the data > is correct. > > I have spent many hours trying different things and running various > tests (and pulling my hair out). > > > In summary... > > Data on Report = Correct > > Data from Firebird "isql" utility = Correct > > Data in Report's Record Source (query) = Not Correct > > Data shown by viewing "Linked Table" = Not correct (although I can > make it appear correct by doing a "Refresh" in Access) > > Data as viewed via the purchased application = Correct > > We have conducted many tests with the Firebird Database - Access 2007 > combination over the past few months, so we have some experience, but > not a huge amount. > > My latest theory is that the problem lies in the ODBC driver. > > This would explain why the data appears correct with isql but appears > incorrect when initially viewed as an Access 2007 Linked Table. > > However, this still doesn't explain why the data on the report is > correct when the data in the report's record source is incorrect. > > Has anyone ever heard of anything like this before? > > Has anyone worked with Access in combination with data from Firebird > database tables? > > Thanks for your help, > > Brad > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. From BradM at blackforestltd.com Sun Oct 16 20:21:56 2011 From: BradM at blackforestltd.com (Brad Marks) Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2011 20:21:56 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Data on Report does not match data in the Report's RecordSource References: <4E9A54E1.5020609@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: > It would be good if you could go into a little more detail on what it is > your seeing. Ie. more records? Different field values for the same >records? Jim, Thanks for the help. Here is what I am seeing... I use the purchased application to add two records to one table. When I view the two records with an Access 2007 query, both records appear to be identical (this is NOT correct). When I view the two records with an Access 2007 report, the two records are correct (the data shown on the report is exactly what I entered into the application system). When I view the data in the two records via Firebird's isql utility, the data is correct. What I really can't understand is how the report can show the right data, but the record source for this very report shows incorrect data. Brad -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2011 8:00 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Data on Report does not match data in the Report's RecordSource Watch out with reports; 2007 introduced Report View, which will show you odd data at times. Lots of strange things can happen there as most of the report events don't fire. If your depending on any code to support the report, you may see different things. Sounds like your problem is more then that though. I'd also look at database corruption; create a new DB and import everything into it, then see if you get the same results. If you do, that would be wild; I've never heard of anything even remotely close to this. I would also seriously doubt it could be wide spread as 2007 has now been out for over four years. It would be good if you could go into a little more detail on what it is your seeing. Ie. more records? Different field values for the same records? Keep us updated.... Jim. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brad Marks Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2011 05:14 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: [AccessD] Data on Report does not match data in the Report's RecordSource All, I believe that this is the strangest thing I have ever seen in Access 2007. We have a purchased package which uses a Firebird Database. All of the tables are defined by the application vendor. We are able to access the Firebird tables from Access 2007 via ODBC. This combination has worked nicely in numerous tests that we have conducted over the past 2-3 months. A few days ago, I happened to notice that the data on one report does not match the data in the Report's Record Source (a query). I have conducted many tests on two different PCs and the results are consistent. The data on the report is correct, but the data in the underlying Record Source is not correct. If I look at the Access "Linked Table" (Which is stored in the Firebird Database), the data is not correct (but I can make it appear correct by doing a Refresh in Access). If I view the data with the Firebird Utility called "isql", the data is correct. I have spent many hours trying different things and running various tests (and pulling my hair out). In summary... Data on Report = Correct Data from Firebird "isql" utility = Correct Data in Report's Record Source (query) = Not Correct Data shown by viewing "Linked Table" = Not correct (although I can make it appear correct by doing a "Refresh" in Access) Data as viewed via the purchased application = Correct We have conducted many tests with the Firebird Database - Access 2007 combination over the past few months, so we have some experience, but not a huge amount. My latest theory is that the problem lies in the ODBC driver. This would explain why the data appears correct with isql but appears incorrect when initially viewed as an Access 2007 Linked Table. However, this still doesn't explain why the data on the report is correct when the data in the report's record source is incorrect. Has anyone ever heard of anything like this before? Has anyone worked with Access in combination with data from Firebird database tables? Thanks for your help, Brad -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. From BradM at blackforestltd.com Sun Oct 16 21:12:17 2011 From: BradM at blackforestltd.com (Brad Marks) Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2011 21:12:17 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Data on Report does not match data in the Report's RecordSource - Problem Resolved! References: <4E9A54E1.5020609@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: Oh Boy... Do I ever feel STUPID! Because of the suggestion, to Relink the Firebird table in question, I decided to do so. In the process of doing the Relink, Access displayed a message "To ensure data integrity and to update records, you must choose a field or fields that uniquely identify each record". As I understand it, the field(s) selected results in establishing the Primary Key on the Access side for the linked table. When doing the Relink, it dawned on me that I had earlier selected the wrong field to uniquely identify each record. I believe that this mistake resulted in the strange results that I was seeing. This mistake was mine. For a time, I thought that I had stumbled on some sort of bug, or angered the "ODBC gods" :-) Thanks again for the help. Once again, the advice given by others here in the AccessD forum has helped to resolve a problem (and keep me from pulling out even more of my hair). I really appreciate the help and advice that is provided on this forum. Sincerely, Brad -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brad Marks Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2011 8:22 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Data on Report does not match data in the Report'sRecordSource > It would be good if you could go into a little more detail on what it is > your seeing. Ie. more records? Different field values for the same >records? Jim, Thanks for the help. Here is what I am seeing... I use the purchased application to add two records to one table. When I view the two records with an Access 2007 query, both records appear to be identical (this is NOT correct). When I view the two records with an Access 2007 report, the two records are correct (the data shown on the report is exactly what I entered into the application system). When I view the data in the two records via Firebird's isql utility, the data is correct. What I really can't understand is how the report can show the right data, but the record source for this very report shows incorrect data. Brad -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2011 8:00 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Data on Report does not match data in the Report's RecordSource Watch out with reports; 2007 introduced Report View, which will show you odd data at times. Lots of strange things can happen there as most of the report events don't fire. If your depending on any code to support the report, you may see different things. Sounds like your problem is more then that though. I'd also look at database corruption; create a new DB and import everything into it, then see if you get the same results. If you do, that would be wild; I've never heard of anything even remotely close to this. I would also seriously doubt it could be wide spread as 2007 has now been out for over four years. It would be good if you could go into a little more detail on what it is your seeing. Ie. more records? Different field values for the same records? Keep us updated.... Jim. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brad Marks Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2011 05:14 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: [AccessD] Data on Report does not match data in the Report's RecordSource All, I believe that this is the strangest thing I have ever seen in Access 2007. We have a purchased package which uses a Firebird Database. All of the tables are defined by the application vendor. We are able to access the Firebird tables from Access 2007 via ODBC. This combination has worked nicely in numerous tests that we have conducted over the past 2-3 months. A few days ago, I happened to notice that the data on one report does not match the data in the Report's Record Source (a query). I have conducted many tests on two different PCs and the results are consistent. The data on the report is correct, but the data in the underlying Record Source is not correct. If I look at the Access "Linked Table" (Which is stored in the Firebird Database), the data is not correct (but I can make it appear correct by doing a Refresh in Access). If I view the data with the Firebird Utility called "isql", the data is correct. I have spent many hours trying different things and running various tests (and pulling my hair out). In summary... Data on Report = Correct Data from Firebird "isql" utility = Correct Data in Report's Record Source (query) = Not Correct Data shown by viewing "Linked Table" = Not correct (although I can make it appear correct by doing a "Refresh" in Access) Data as viewed via the purchased application = Correct We have conducted many tests with the Firebird Database - Access 2007 combination over the past few months, so we have some experience, but not a huge amount. My latest theory is that the problem lies in the ODBC driver. This would explain why the data appears correct with isql but appears incorrect when initially viewed as an Access 2007 Linked Table. However, this still doesn't explain why the data on the report is correct when the data in the report's record source is incorrect. Has anyone ever heard of anything like this before? Has anyone worked with Access in combination with data from Firebird database tables? Thanks for your help, Brad -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. From garykjos at gmail.com Sun Oct 16 22:34:35 2011 From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos) Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2011 22:34:35 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Data on Report does not match data in the Report's RecordSource - Problem Resolved! In-Reply-To: References: <4E9A54E1.5020609@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: Whew! I've had that same issue with Oracle ODBC data when I didn't specify the key's correctly when the link process didn't see them automatically. Glad you solved the mystery Brad. And thanks for letting us know. GK On Sun, Oct 16, 2011 at 9:12 PM, Brad Marks wrote: > Oh Boy... Do I ever feel STUPID! > > Because of the suggestion, to Relink the Firebird table in question, I > decided to do so. > > In the process of doing the Relink, Access displayed a message "To > ensure data integrity and to update records, you must choose a field or > fields that uniquely identify each record". > > As I understand it, the field(s) selected results in establishing the > Primary Key on the Access side for the linked table. > > When doing the Relink, it dawned on me that I had earlier selected the > wrong field to uniquely identify each record. ? I believe that this > mistake resulted in the strange results that I was seeing. > > This mistake was mine. ?For a time, I thought that I had stumbled on > some sort of bug, or angered the "ODBC gods" ? :-) > > > Thanks again for the help. ?Once again, the advice given by others here > in the AccessD forum has helped to resolve a problem (and keep me from > pulling out even more of my hair). > > I really appreciate the help and advice that is provided on this forum. > > Sincerely, > > Brad > -- Gary Kjos garykjos at gmail.com From vbacreations at gmail.com Mon Oct 17 02:42:29 2011 From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson (VBACreations.Com)) Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2011 03:42:29 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Data on Report does not match data in the Report's RecordSource - Problem Resolved! In-Reply-To: References: <4E9A54E1.5020609@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <002801cc8ca0$5336ad50$f9a407f0$@gmail.com> I have jumped in here and not read the entire thread (shame shame yeah well...) but this one line reminded me of some history I have with Oracle tables thru odbc and I got to wondering, what is a person to do when they have no idea whatsoever what (if any) up-to-10-fields represent a unique index on an oracle table or even *IF* there is a 10-field index which will represent a unique record? Is it better to leave the prompt unanswered rather than selecting 10 "I-think-these-will-do" fields? -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brad Marks Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2011 10:12 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Data on Report does not match data in the Report's RecordSource - Problem Resolved! Oh Boy... Do I ever feel STUPID! Because of the suggestion, to Relink the Firebird table in question, I decided to do so. In the process of doing the Relink, Access displayed a message "To ensure data integrity and to update records, you must choose a field or fields that uniquely identify each record". As I understand it, the field(s) selected results in establishing the Primary Key on the Access side for the linked table. When doing the Relink, it dawned on me that I had earlier selected the wrong field to uniquely identify each record. I believe that this mistake resulted in the strange results that I was seeing. This mistake was mine. For a time, I thought that I had stumbled on some sort of bug, or angered the "ODBC gods" :-) Thanks again for the help. Once again, the advice given by others here in the AccessD forum has helped to resolve a problem (and keep me from pulling out even more of my hair). I really appreciate the help and advice that is provided on this forum. Sincerely, Brad -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brad Marks Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2011 8:22 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Data on Report does not match data in the Report'sRecordSource > It would be good if you could go into a little more detail on what it is > your seeing. Ie. more records? Different field values for the same >records? Jim, Thanks for the help. Here is what I am seeing... I use the purchased application to add two records to one table. When I view the two records with an Access 2007 query, both records appear to be identical (this is NOT correct). When I view the two records with an Access 2007 report, the two records are correct (the data shown on the report is exactly what I entered into the application system). When I view the data in the two records via Firebird's isql utility, the data is correct. What I really can't understand is how the report can show the right data, but the record source for this very report shows incorrect data. Brad -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2011 8:00 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Data on Report does not match data in the Report's RecordSource Watch out with reports; 2007 introduced Report View, which will show you odd data at times. Lots of strange things can happen there as most of the report events don't fire. If your depending on any code to support the report, you may see different things. Sounds like your problem is more then that though. I'd also look at database corruption; create a new DB and import everything into it, then see if you get the same results. If you do, that would be wild; I've never heard of anything even remotely close to this. I would also seriously doubt it could be wide spread as 2007 has now been out for over four years. It would be good if you could go into a little more detail on what it is your seeing. Ie. more records? Different field values for the same records? Keep us updated.... Jim. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brad Marks Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2011 05:14 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: [AccessD] Data on Report does not match data in the Report's RecordSource All, I believe that this is the strangest thing I have ever seen in Access 2007. We have a purchased package which uses a Firebird Database. All of the tables are defined by the application vendor. We are able to access the Firebird tables from Access 2007 via ODBC. This combination has worked nicely in numerous tests that we have conducted over the past 2-3 months. A few days ago, I happened to notice that the data on one report does not match the data in the Report's Record Source (a query). I have conducted many tests on two different PCs and the results are consistent. The data on the report is correct, but the data in the underlying Record Source is not correct. If I look at the Access "Linked Table" (Which is stored in the Firebird Database), the data is not correct (but I can make it appear correct by doing a Refresh in Access). If I view the data with the Firebird Utility called "isql", the data is correct. I have spent many hours trying different things and running various tests (and pulling my hair out). In summary... Data on Report = Correct Data from Firebird "isql" utility = Correct Data in Report's Record Source (query) = Not Correct Data shown by viewing "Linked Table" = Not correct (although I can make it appear correct by doing a "Refresh" in Access) Data as viewed via the purchased application = Correct We have conducted many tests with the Firebird Database - Access 2007 combination over the past few months, so we have some experience, but not a huge amount. My latest theory is that the problem lies in the ODBC driver. This would explain why the data appears correct with isql but appears incorrect when initially viewed as an Access 2007 Linked Table. However, this still doesn't explain why the data on the report is correct when the data in the report's record source is incorrect. Has anyone ever heard of anything like this before? Has anyone worked with Access in combination with data from Firebird database tables? Thanks for your help, Brad -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Tue Oct 18 12:45:46 2011 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2011 13:45:46 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Known Bugs List in A2K7/10 Message-ID: Does anyone know of a known bug list for these two products? I am running into some very strange issues, and if they are known bugs then I can stop fighting them and just acknowledge that it's time to move on to a more solid platform. Weird screen behaviour, saved changes turn out not to be saved, etc. Very frustrating. Maybe it's time for a c# course. A. From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Tue Oct 18 13:16:31 2011 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2011 14:16:31 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Known Bugs List in A2K7/10 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4E9DC27F.20208@colbyconsulting.com> >Maybe it's time for a c# course. Uhhh yep. Regardless of the answer to your question. ;) John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it On 10/18/2011 1:45 PM, Arthur Fuller wrote: > Does anyone know of a known bug list for these two products? I am running > into some very strange issues, and if they are known bugs then I can stop > fighting them and just acknowledge that it's time to move on to a more solid > platform. Weird screen behaviour, saved changes turn out not to be saved, > etc. Very frustrating. Maybe it's time for a c# course. > > A. From charlotte.foust at gmail.com Tue Oct 18 13:25:43 2011 From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust) Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2011 11:25:43 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Known Bugs List in A2K7/10 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I can state without question that I hate Access 2010 even more than 2007. Particularly the report generator! Charlotte Foust On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 10:45 AM, Arthur Fuller wrote: > Does anyone know of a known bug list for these two products? I am running > into some very strange issues, and if they are known bugs then I can stop > fighting them and just acknowledge that it's time to move on to a more > solid > platform. Weird screen behaviour, saved changes turn out not to be saved, > etc. Very frustrating. Maybe it's time for a c# course. > > A. > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > From davidmcafee at gmail.com Tue Oct 18 13:28:24 2011 From: davidmcafee at gmail.com (David McAfee) Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2011 11:28:24 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Known Bugs List in A2K7/10 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Allen Browne site has a list (Sorry I don't have the link at the moment) I think A2010 SP1 (or was it Win7 Sp1, or both) had some weird issues. I have had some things that have been working for years suddenly break. I have also had some weird things happen that I haven't pin pointed yet, such as: A form launching a report in preview mode Pressing Print, prints the form behind the report, not the report itself. I thought the user was doing something wrong, but it has happened again to another user. I though the from / report were corrupt, so I wiped the FE from their computer and reinstalled it. Same issue. Reboot the box. Same issue. Came back to my desk to check a few things and go back and it was working again. weird. I've had other issues where I had to put CDATE() around a date field when comparing something such as: If Me.txtIncentiveStartDate = CDate(Me.lstHist.Column(3)) Then I had to change it to : If CDate(Me.txtIncentiveStartDate) = CDate(Me.lstHist.Column(3)) Then I've also had another issue where I had to change code that has worked for several years: If (SysCmd(acSysCmdAccessVer) = 14) Then Me.RecordSource = "EXEC dbo.stpItemDetHist " & Me.InputParameters Else Me.RecordSourceQualifier = "dbo" Me.RecordSource = "stpItemDetHist" End If On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 10:45 AM, Arthur Fuller wrote: > Does anyone know of a known bug list for these two products? I am running > into some very strange issues, and if they are known bugs then I can stop > fighting them and just acknowledge that it's time to move on to a more > solid > platform. Weird screen behaviour, saved changes turn out not to be saved, > etc. Very frustrating. Maybe it's time for a c# course. > > A. > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From BradM at blackforestltd.com Tue Oct 18 13:39:59 2011 From: BradM at blackforestltd.com (Brad Marks) Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2011 13:39:59 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Known Bugs List in A2K7/10 References: Message-ID: Charlotte, We are VERY dependent on Access 2007 Reports. There has been some talk about migrating to Access 2010. I am curious to learn what you are seeing in the area of report problems. Is the Access 2010 Report generator much different than the Access 2007 Report generator? Thanks, Brad ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2011 1:26 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Known Bugs List in A2K7/10 I can state without question that I hate Access 2010 even more than 2007. Particularly the report generator! Charlotte Foust On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 10:45 AM, Arthur Fuller wrote: > Does anyone know of a known bug list for these two products? I am running > into some very strange issues, and if they are known bugs then I can stop > fighting them and just acknowledge that it's time to move on to a more > solid > platform. Weird screen behaviour, saved changes turn out not to be saved, > etc. Very frustrating. Maybe it's time for a c# course. > > A. > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. From marksimms at verizon.net Tue Oct 18 14:05:41 2011 From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms) Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2011 15:05:41 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Known Bugs List in A2K7/10 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <002f01cc8dc8$eecfe780$cc6fb680$@net> Gang -the 2010 issue list is huge. Things like the CDate comparison are due to the changes made to VBA and the interpreter. Once they messed around with that, it opened up a whole can of worms. Indeed 2010 is like "Pandora's Box" for developers. Get this: User does an Undo on a bare form's record. They can easily add a new record right after that. But I cannot do the above in VBA !!! Took me 6 hours to determine how to work around it....and a Requery was necessary after each and every Undo so that a new record could be added. Tested and worked fine in 2007. Brad Marks or some other MSFT employee is tracking these issues on the social.msdn website. BUT, I seriously doubt you would get a chance to peak at the list. (you might faint !) From dbdoug at gmail.com Tue Oct 18 14:25:16 2011 From: dbdoug at gmail.com (Doug Steele) Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2011 12:25:16 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Known Bugs List in A2K7/10 In-Reply-To: <002f01cc8dc8$eecfe780$cc6fb680$@net> References: <002f01cc8dc8$eecfe780$cc6fb680$@net> Message-ID: Funnily enough, I've had virtually no problems running A2003 databases in A2010. Unlike A2007, which was a nightmare, especially for the first year or so. Doug On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 12:05 PM, Mark Simms wrote: > Gang -the 2010 issue list is huge. Things like the CDate comparison are due > to the changes made to VBA and the interpreter. > Once they messed around with that, it opened up a whole can of worms. > Indeed 2010 is like "Pandora's Box" for developers. > > Get this: User does an Undo on a bare form's record. They can easily add a > new record right after that. > But I cannot do the above in VBA !!! Took me 6 hours to determine how to > work around it....and a Requery was necessary after each and every Undo so > that a new record could be added. Tested and worked fine in 2007. > > Brad Marks or some other MSFT employee is tracking these issues on the > social.msdn website. > BUT, I seriously doubt you would get a chance to peak at the list. > (you might faint !) > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From marksimms at verizon.net Tue Oct 18 14:50:14 2011 From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms) Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2011 15:50:14 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Known Bugs List in A2K7/10 In-Reply-To: References: <002f01cc8dc8$eecfe780$cc6fb680$@net> Message-ID: <007401cc8dcf$27f84330$77e8c990$@net> Yeah, Doug, but you're probably not using any ACCDB 2007/2010 features like splitforms, etc. > Funnily enough, I've had virtually no problems running A2003 databases > in > A2010. Unlike A2007, which was a nightmare, especially for the first > year > or so. > > Doug > From charlotte.foust at gmail.com Tue Oct 18 15:05:53 2011 From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust) Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2011 13:05:53 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Known Bugs List in A2K7/10 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I didn't work much with 2007, but I've been using a 2010 accdb based on the contacts template to handle an invitation list for a friend. I wanted to print the Company name if it was Xyz Company and otherwise to print the email address on a report listing the contacts. In VB.Net, that would have been a no brainer. In Access, I could not find any way to change the visibility of a control on the subreport in the events of the subreport (parent report unbound), so I finally was forced to use the CanGrow/CanShrink properties to print both fields when they existed! I probably could have worked around it if I had wanted to struggle for hours with it, but I didn't. I could have gone unbound if I could have found the appropriate event to use to populate a label or some such, or I could have juggled subreports I guess. It was just so darn limiting, that I didn't bother. Charlotte Foust On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 11:39 AM, Brad Marks wrote: > Charlotte, > > We are VERY dependent on Access 2007 Reports. There has been some talk > about migrating to Access 2010. I am curious to learn what you are > seeing in the area of report problems. > > Is the Access 2010 Report generator much different than the Access 2007 > Report generator? > > Thanks, > Brad > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte > Foust > Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2011 1:26 PM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Known Bugs List in A2K7/10 > > I can state without question that I hate Access 2010 even more than > 2007. > Particularly the report generator! > > Charlotte Foust > > On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 10:45 AM, Arthur Fuller > wrote: > > > Does anyone know of a known bug list for these two products? I am > running > > into some very strange issues, and if they are known bugs then I can > stop > > fighting them and just acknowledge that it's time to move on to a more > > solid > > platform. Weird screen behaviour, saved changes turn out not to be > saved, > > etc. Very frustrating. Maybe it's time for a c# course. > > > > A. > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > > > > > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is > believed to be clean. > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > From BradM at blackforestltd.com Tue Oct 18 15:05:44 2011 From: BradM at blackforestltd.com (Brad Marks) Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2011 15:05:44 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Known Bugs List in A2K7/10 References: Message-ID: Charlotte, Thanks for the info. Brad -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2011 3:06 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Known Bugs List in A2K7/10 I didn't work much with 2007, but I've been using a 2010 accdb based on the contacts template to handle an invitation list for a friend. I wanted to print the Company name if it was Xyz Company and otherwise to print the email address on a report listing the contacts. In VB.Net, that would have been a no brainer. In Access, I could not find any way to change the visibility of a control on the subreport in the events of the subreport (parent report unbound), so I finally was forced to use the CanGrow/CanShrink properties to print both fields when they existed! I probably could have worked around it if I had wanted to struggle for hours with it, but I didn't. I could have gone unbound if I could have found the appropriate event to use to populate a label or some such, or I could have juggled subreports I guess. It was just so darn limiting, that I didn't bother. Charlotte Foust On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 11:39 AM, Brad Marks wrote: > Charlotte, > > We are VERY dependent on Access 2007 Reports. There has been some talk > about migrating to Access 2010. I am curious to learn what you are > seeing in the area of report problems. > > Is the Access 2010 Report generator much different than the Access 2007 > Report generator? > > Thanks, > Brad > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte > Foust > Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2011 1:26 PM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Known Bugs List in A2K7/10 > > I can state without question that I hate Access 2010 even more than > 2007. > Particularly the report generator! > > Charlotte Foust > > On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 10:45 AM, Arthur Fuller > wrote: > > > Does anyone know of a known bug list for these two products? I am > running > > into some very strange issues, and if they are known bugs then I can > stop > > fighting them and just acknowledge that it's time to move on to a more > > solid > > platform. Weird screen behaviour, saved changes turn out not to be > saved, > > etc. Very frustrating. Maybe it's time for a c# course. > > > > A. > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > > > > > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is > believed to be clean. > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. From charlotte.foust at gmail.com Tue Oct 18 15:10:39 2011 From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust) Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2011 13:10:39 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Known Bugs List in A2K7/10 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: By the way, does anyone know of a way to make the breakpoints in 2010 VBA actually work in a report? As of 2002, they did but I can't make it happen in 2010 and I don't have the earlier versions on this machine since the last Windows 7 reinstall. Charlotte Foust On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 1:05 PM, Charlotte Foust wrote: > I didn't work much with 2007, but I've been using a 2010 accdb based on the > contacts template to handle an invitation list for a friend. I wanted to > print the Company name if it was Xyz Company and otherwise to print the > email address on a report listing the contacts. In VB.Net, that would have > been a no brainer. In Access, I could not find any way to change the > visibility of a control on the subreport in the events of the subreport > (parent report unbound), so I finally was forced to use the > CanGrow/CanShrink properties to print both fields when they existed! I > probably could have worked around it if I had wanted to struggle for hours > with it, but I didn't. I could have gone unbound if I could have found the > appropriate event to use to populate a label or some such, or I could have > juggled subreports I guess. It was just so darn limiting, that I didn't > bother. > > Charlotte Foust > > On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 11:39 AM, Brad Marks wrote: > >> Charlotte, >> >> We are VERY dependent on Access 2007 Reports. There has been some talk >> about migrating to Access 2010. I am curious to learn what you are >> seeing in the area of report problems. >> >> Is the Access 2010 Report generator much different than the Access 2007 >> Report generator? >> >> Thanks, >> Brad >> >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte >> Foust >> Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2011 1:26 PM >> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving >> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Known Bugs List in A2K7/10 >> >> I can state without question that I hate Access 2010 even more than >> 2007. >> Particularly the report generator! >> >> Charlotte Foust >> >> On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 10:45 AM, Arthur Fuller >> wrote: >> >> > Does anyone know of a known bug list for these two products? I am >> running >> > into some very strange issues, and if they are known bugs then I can >> stop >> > fighting them and just acknowledge that it's time to move on to a more >> > solid >> > platform. Weird screen behaviour, saved changes turn out not to be >> saved, >> > etc. Very frustrating. Maybe it's time for a c# course. >> > >> > A. >> > -- >> > AccessD mailing list >> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >> >> >> >> > >> > >> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> >> >> > >> > >> > >> -- >> AccessD mailing list >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >> >> >> >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> >> >> >> -- >> This message has been scanned for viruses and >> dangerous content by MailScanner, and is >> believed to be clean. >> >> >> -- >> AccessD mailing list >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >> >> >> >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> >> >> > From BradM at blackforestltd.com Tue Oct 18 16:26:39 2011 From: BradM at blackforestltd.com (Brad Marks) Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2011 16:26:39 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Known Bugs List in A2K7/10 References: <002f01cc8dc8$eecfe780$cc6fb680$@net> Message-ID: > Brad Marks or some other MSFT employee is tracking these issues on the > social.msdn website. Could there be two people named "Brad Marks" with connections to MS Access issues? I work for a small manufacturing firm. My background (in a prior job) is in "Big Iron" (IBM Mainframes) and I am a relative newcomer to the world of Access and other Microsoft products. Brad Marks PS. I don't believe in reincarnation, but I might have in a prior life :-) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~ -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Simms Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2011 2:06 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Known Bugs List in A2K7/10 Gang -the 2010 issue list is huge. Things like the CDate comparison are due to the changes made to VBA and the interpreter. Once they messed around with that, it opened up a whole can of worms. Indeed 2010 is like "Pandora's Box" for developers. Get this: User does an Undo on a bare form's record. They can easily add a new record right after that. But I cannot do the above in VBA !!! Took me 6 hours to determine how to work around it....and a Requery was necessary after each and every Undo so that a new record could be added. Tested and worked fine in 2007. Brad Marks or some other MSFT employee is tracking these issues on the social.msdn website. BUT, I seriously doubt you would get a chance to peak at the list. (you might faint !) -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. From tinanfields at torchlake.com Tue Oct 18 17:01:00 2011 From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields) Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2011 18:01:00 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] We only notice the significant observations In-Reply-To: <002101cc8903$3a4e9f00$aeebdd00$@mattysconsulting.com> References: <9879741544574AB0827B9658FA8ACD4B@HAL9007> <00b001cc8834$4de2fc20$e9a8f460$@mattysconsulting.com> <4E956F0E.3070704@colbyconsulting.com> <001101cc88e9$fab22c40$f01684c0$@mattysconsulting.com> <002101cc8903$3a4e9f00$aeebdd00$@mattysconsulting.com> Message-ID: <4E9DF71C.6050802@torchlake.com> This was amazing! Thanks T Tina Norris Fields tinanfields at torchlake.com 231-322-2787 On 10/12/2011 1:20 PM, Michael Mattys wrote: > Wonderful stuff. > > http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/evolution/darwin-never-knew.html > http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/evolution/are-we-still-evolving.html > > Michael R Mattys > Mattys Consulting, LLC > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Michael Mattys > Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2011 10:20 AM > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > Subject: Re: [AccessD] We only notice the significant observations > > I enjoyed that 1995 speech by Steve Jobs, Arthur. > "Stay hungry, stay foolish." > > I would love to learn the programming language of adding information to DNA. > http://www.evolutionofdna.com/Evolution-Of-DNA.html > > Michael R Mattys > Mattys Consulting, LLC > www.mattysconsulting.com > > From tinanfields at torchlake.com Tue Oct 18 17:01:58 2011 From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields) Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2011 18:01:58 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] We only notice the significant observations In-Reply-To: <002901cc8912$808c5980$81a50c80$@mattysconsulting.com> References: <9879741544574AB0827B9658FA8ACD4B@HAL9007> <00b001cc8834$4de2fc20$e9a8f460$@mattysconsulting.com> <4E956F0E.3070704@colbyconsulting.com> <001101cc88e9$fab22c40$f01684c0$@mattysconsulting.com> <002101cc8903$3a4e9f00$aeebdd00$@mattysconsulting.com><4E95D587.5070908@colbyconsulting.com> <002901cc8912$808c5980$81a50c80$@mattysconsulting.com> Message-ID: <4E9DF756.2010100@torchlake.com> I did! Tina Norris Fields tinanfields at torchlake.com 231-322-2787 On 10/12/2011 3:09 PM, Michael Mattys wrote: > I didn't get anything from there that I didn't know already. > > Michael R Mattys > Mattys Consulting, LLC > www.mattysconsulting.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby > Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2011 2:00 PM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] We only notice the significant observations > > Indeed. We find truth in the strangest places. > > John W. Colby > Colby Consulting > > Reality is what refuses to go away > when you do not believe in it > > On 10/12/2011 1:20 PM, Michael Mattys wrote: >> Wonderful stuff. >> >> http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/evolution/darwin-never-knew.html >> http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/evolution/are-we-still-evolving.html >> >> Michael R Mattys >> Mattys Consulting, LLC >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Michael Mattys >> Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2011 10:20 AM >> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' >> Subject: Re: [AccessD] We only notice the significant observations >> >> I enjoyed that 1995 speech by Steve Jobs, Arthur. >> "Stay hungry, stay foolish." >> >> I would love to learn the programming language of adding information to > DNA. >> http://www.evolutionofdna.com/Evolution-Of-DNA.html >> >> Michael R Mattys >> Mattys Consulting, LLC >> www.mattysconsulting.com >> >> From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au Tue Oct 18 17:28:41 2011 From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins) Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2011 22:28:41 +0000 Subject: [AccessD] Known Bugs List in A2K7/10 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55BBD9A@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com> "Allen Browne site has a list" (both 2007 and 2010) <> Cheers Darryl. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of David McAfee Sent: Wednesday, 19 October 2011 5:28 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Known Bugs List in A2K7/10 Allen Browne site has a list (Sorry I don't have the link at the moment) I think A2010 SP1 (or was it Win7 Sp1, or both) had some weird issues. I have had some things that have been working for years suddenly break. I have also had some weird things happen that I haven't pin pointed yet, such as: A form launching a report in preview mode Pressing Print, prints the form behind the report, not the report itself. I thought the user was doing something wrong, but it has happened again to another user. I though the from / report were corrupt, so I wiped the FE from their computer and reinstalled it. Same issue. Reboot the box. Same issue. Came back to my desk to check a few things and go back and it was working again. weird. I've had other issues where I had to put CDATE() around a date field when comparing something such as: If Me.txtIncentiveStartDate = CDate(Me.lstHist.Column(3)) Then I had to change it to : If CDate(Me.txtIncentiveStartDate) = CDate(Me.lstHist.Column(3)) Then I've also had another issue where I had to change code that has worked for several years: If (SysCmd(acSysCmdAccessVer) = 14) Then Me.RecordSource = "EXEC dbo.stpItemDetHist " & Me.InputParameters Else Me.RecordSourceQualifier = "dbo" Me.RecordSource = "stpItemDetHist" End If On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 10:45 AM, Arthur Fuller wrote: > Does anyone know of a known bug list for these two products? I am running > into some very strange issues, and if they are known bugs then I can stop > fighting them and just acknowledge that it's time to move on to a more > solid > platform. Weird screen behaviour, saved changes turn out not to be saved, > etc. Very frustrating. Maybe it's time for a c# course. > > A. > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au Tue Oct 18 17:34:05 2011 From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins) Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2011 22:34:05 +0000 Subject: [AccessD] Known Bugs List in A2K7/10 In-Reply-To: <007401cc8dcf$27f84330$77e8c990$@net> References: <002f01cc8dc8$eecfe780$cc6fb680$@net> <007401cc8dcf$27f84330$77e8c990$@net> Message-ID: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55BBDAB@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com> I am with Doug, I prefer A2010 to A2007 which I find painful beast to use most of the time. in-elegant and clunky is how I best describe it - and freaking weird. It does some strange things from time to time. That said I haven't used split forms yet so who knows, I am sure there are monsters lurking out there on the edge of darkness. I do use 100% native accdb formats though. XL2010 on the other hand is rather nice to use. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Simms Sent: Wednesday, 19 October 2011 6:50 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Known Bugs List in A2K7/10 Yeah, Doug, but you're probably not using any ACCDB 2007/2010 features like splitforms, etc. > Funnily enough, I've had virtually no problems running A2003 databases > in > A2010. Unlike A2007, which was a nightmare, especially for the first > year > or so. > > Doug > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From michael at mattysconsulting.com Tue Oct 18 17:57:51 2011 From: michael at mattysconsulting.com (Michael Mattys) Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2011 18:57:51 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] We only notice the significant observations In-Reply-To: <4E9DF756.2010100@torchlake.com> References: <9879741544574AB0827B9658FA8ACD4B@HAL9007> <00b001cc8834$4de2fc20$e9a8f460$@mattysconsulting.com> <4E956F0E.3070704@colbyconsulting.com> <001101cc88e9$fab22c40$f01684c0$@mattysconsulting.com> <002101cc8903$3a4e9f00$aeebdd00$@mattysconsulting.com><4E95D587.5070908@colbyconsulting.com> <002901cc8912$808c5980$81a50c80$@mattysconsulting.com> <4E9DF756.2010100@torchlake.com> Message-ID: <000001cc8de9$5dcc2ca0$196485e0$@mattysconsulting.com> I'm glad you enjoyed it. It reminded me of one of my favorite shows, Star Trek. We watch all of the series for Enterprise, Voyager, DS9, Next Gen, and, of course, the Classic 60's version on NetFlix. I can't wait til they figure out what life actually is so that the transporter will work! Michael R Mattys Mattys Consulting, LLC www.mattysconsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina Norris Fields Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2011 6:02 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] We only notice the significant observations I did! Tina Norris Fields tinanfields at torchlake.com 231-322-2787 On 10/12/2011 3:09 PM, Michael Mattys wrote: > I didn't get anything from there that I didn't know already. > > Michael R Mattys > Mattys Consulting, LLC > www.mattysconsulting.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby > Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2011 2:00 PM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] We only notice the significant observations > > Indeed. We find truth in the strangest places. > > John W. Colby > Colby Consulting > > Reality is what refuses to go away > when you do not believe in it > > On 10/12/2011 1:20 PM, Michael Mattys wrote: >> Wonderful stuff. >> >> http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/evolution/darwin-never-knew.html >> http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/evolution/are-we-still-evolving.html >> >> Michael R Mattys >> Mattys Consulting, LLC >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Michael Mattys >> Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2011 10:20 AM >> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' >> Subject: Re: [AccessD] We only notice the significant observations >> >> I enjoyed that 1995 speech by Steve Jobs, Arthur. >> "Stay hungry, stay foolish." >> >> I would love to learn the programming language of adding information to > DNA. >> http://www.evolutionofdna.com/Evolution-Of-DNA.html >> >> Michael R Mattys >> Mattys Consulting, LLC >> www.mattysconsulting.com >> >> -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From marksimms at verizon.net Tue Oct 18 18:08:14 2011 From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms) Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2011 19:08:14 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Known Bugs List in A2K7/10 In-Reply-To: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55BBDAB@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com> References: <002f01cc8dc8$eecfe780$cc6fb680$@net> <007401cc8dcf$27f84330$77e8c990$@net> <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55BBDAB@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com> Message-ID: <00b301cc8dea$d0d586a0$728093e0$@net> No way. 2010 is way more pain than 2007. That being said, AC 2007 could easily be blown-up by simply moving form controls on a multipage control. The sheer number of complaints about 2010 on the social.msdn website forum for Access is pretty much the proof in the pudding so-to-speak. > I am with Doug, I prefer A2010 to A2007 which I find painful beast to > use most of the time. in-elegant and clunky is how I best describe it - > and freaking weird. It does some strange things from time to time. From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au Tue Oct 18 18:51:17 2011 From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins) Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2011 23:51:17 +0000 Subject: [AccessD] Known Bugs List in A2K7/10 In-Reply-To: <00b301cc8dea$d0d586a0$728093e0$@net> References: <002f01cc8dc8$eecfe780$cc6fb680$@net> <007401cc8dcf$27f84330$77e8c990$@net> <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55BBDAB@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com> <00b301cc8dea$d0d586a0$728093e0$@net> Message-ID: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55BBEF3@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com> Thanks Mark, Looks like am in for some future 'fun'. Right now I use A2007 80% of the time vs A2010 for the other 20%. Perhaps my current experience and feelings are based on this ratio rather than the actual issues in each individual product. I do find A2010 more finished and smooth to use, but that maybe because I don't push it around too much right now. Let just say I respect your (and everyone on this list) opinions and happy to listen to the (usually excellent) advice you all give on these matters. Cheers Darry. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Simms Sent: Wednesday, 19 October 2011 10:08 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Known Bugs List in A2K7/10 No way. 2010 is way more pain than 2007. That being said, AC 2007 could easily be blown-up by simply moving form controls on a multipage control. The sheer number of complaints about 2010 on the social.msdn website forum for Access is pretty much the proof in the pudding so-to-speak. > I am with Doug, I prefer A2010 to A2007 which I find painful beast to > use most of the time. in-elegant and clunky is how I best describe it - > and freaking weird. It does some strange things from time to time. -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Gustav at cactus.dk Wed Oct 19 03:14:40 2011 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2011 10:14:40 +0200 Subject: [AccessD] Known Bugs List in A2K7/10 Message-ID: Hi Mark and Darry and ... Oh my, what a frightening thread. You guys and Charlotte really scare one from ever touching development in Access 2007 or 2010. I never moved beyond 2003 ... then took a sharp right (pun and pun intended!) turn to .Net, C#, and Visual Studio. /gustav >>> darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au 19-10-2011 01:51 >>> Thanks Mark, Looks like am in for some future 'fun'. Right now I use A2007 80% of the time vs A2010 for the other 20%. Perhaps my current experience and feelings are based on this ratio rather than the actual issues in each individual product. I do find A2010 more finished and smooth to use, but that maybe because I don't push it around too much right now. Let just say I respect your (and everyone on this list) opinions and happy to listen to the (usually excellent) advice you all give on these matters. Cheers Darry. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Simms Sent: Wednesday, 19 October 2011 10:08 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Known Bugs List in A2K7/10 No way. 2010 is way more pain than 2007. That being said, AC 2007 could easily be blown-up by simply moving form controls on a multipage control. The sheer number of complaints about 2010 on the social.msdn website forum for Access is pretty much the proof in the pudding so-to-speak. > I am with Doug, I prefer A2010 to A2007 which I find painful beast to > use most of the time. in-elegant and clunky is how I best describe it - > and freaking weird. It does some strange things from time to time. From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Wed Oct 19 03:28:35 2011 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2011 18:28:35 +1000 Subject: [AccessD] Known Bugs List in A2K7/10 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4E9E8A33.5135.61C4375@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> I'm still developing primarily in 2003 and deploying the .mdbs on 07/10 installations. Generally it works seamlessly. -- Stuart On 19 Oct 2011 at 10:14, Gustav Brock wrote: > Hi Mark and Darry and ... > > Oh my, what a frightening thread. You guys and Charlotte really scare > one from ever touching development in Access 2007 or 2010. I never > moved beyond 2003 ... then took a sharp right (pun and pun intended!) > turn to .Net, C#, and Visual Studio. > > /gustav > > > >>> darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au 19-10-2011 01:51 >>> > Thanks Mark, > > Looks like am in for some future 'fun'. Right now I use A2007 80% of > the time vs A2010 for the other 20%. Perhaps my current experience > and feelings are based on this ratio rather than the actual issues in > each individual product. > > I do find A2010 more finished and smooth to use, but that maybe > because I don't push it around too much right now. > > Let just say I respect your (and everyone on this list) opinions and > happy to listen to the (usually excellent) advice you all give on > these matters. > > Cheers > Darry. > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Simms > Sent: Wednesday, 19 October 2011 10:08 AM To: 'Access Developers > discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Known Bugs List > in A2K7/10 > > No way. 2010 is way more pain than 2007. That being said, AC 2007 > could easily be blown-up by simply moving form controls on a multipage > control. The sheer number of complaints about 2010 on the social.msdn > website forum for Access is pretty much the proof in the pudding > so-to-speak. > > > I am with Doug, I prefer A2010 to A2007 which I find painful beast > > to use most of the time. in-elegant and clunky is how I best > > describe it - and freaking weird. It does some strange things from > > time to time. > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From marksimms at verizon.net Wed Oct 19 09:01:28 2011 From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms) Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2011 10:01:28 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Known Bugs List in A2K7/10 In-Reply-To: <4E9E8A33.5135.61C4375@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: <4E9E8A33.5135.61C4375@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <006d01cc8e67$994826c0$cbd87440$@net> If you are just porting an old AC2003 app, then it's OK. I'm referring to NEW DEVELOPMENT in 2010 using NEW FEATURES and/or trying tricky stuff. My "big problem" is that I've been mesmerized by the "feng shui" and new graphics of AC2007/2010. The ability to use efficient PNG files is very nice. In fact, I really shudder now when I see an older 2003 app....kinda "fuggly". To wit: I turned down a consulting gig when the IT department would not even spend 1 day testing the AC2007 runtime in a Citrix server environment. They said "you're stuck with 2003". I said "good bye". Just another "run-in" with the IT department. Having to deal with IT from the outside is very, very frustrating stuff. From dbdoug at gmail.com Wed Oct 19 09:26:43 2011 From: dbdoug at gmail.com (Doug Steele) Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2011 07:26:43 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Known Bugs List in A2K7/10 In-Reply-To: <006d01cc8e67$994826c0$cbd87440$@net> References: <4E9E8A33.5135.61C4375@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <006d01cc8e67$994826c0$cbd87440$@net> Message-ID: I didn't realize that A2010 has feng shui! Now, finally, Microsoft appears to be ahead of the curve. If I'd known that, I would have paid a lot more attention :) Doug On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 7:01 AM, Mark Simms wrote: > If you are just porting an old AC2003 app, then it's OK. > I'm referring to NEW DEVELOPMENT in 2010 using NEW FEATURES and/or trying > tricky stuff. > My "big problem" is that I've been mesmerized by the "feng shui" and new > graphics of AC2007/2010. > The ability to use efficient PNG files is very nice. > > In fact, I really shudder now when I see an older 2003 app....kinda > "fuggly". > To wit: I turned down a consulting gig when the IT department would not > even > spend 1 day testing the AC2007 runtime in a Citrix server environment. They > said "you're stuck with 2003". I said "good bye". Just another "run-in" > with > the IT department. Having to deal with IT from the outside is very, very > frustrating stuff. > > > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From guss at beechnutconsulting.com Wed Oct 19 10:25:20 2011 From: guss at beechnutconsulting.com (Guss Ginsburg) Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2011 10:25:20 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Data Collection via Email in Access 2007/10 Message-ID: <003301cc8e73$5158a950$f409fbf0$@beechnutconsulting.com> I am trying to implement a button on a form (for a call center application) so that when a case# is opened, you can click on the button and have it generate an HTML email form to the person being assigned the case, who may reply to the message with updates to specific fields on the form. When the user replies to the message it should update the specific record(s) upon hitting the designated folder in Outlook. I have been able to get this process to work once in a while when I use the External Data -> Data Collection feature on the ribbon. Lately, I have been getting messages that either the email addresses are null or invalid, or that there is no data for the records specified. Unfortunately, I did not think to capture the xml file upon one of the successful tries using the wizard. I have printed out a couple of versions of the AccessDCActionFile.xml, and perhaps I need help on what the xml file must look like in order to work as advertised. Once I get that down, I should be able to code the command button to generate xml that works. I am attaching the xml file, which I have reformatted to make it more readable. The attached file does not work. I am using Access 2010. I have set up a query based on the recordset that selects the records and fields that may be included on the html form, then walk through the wizard to generate the email form. I do not actually see the email form that was generated (unless I select the recipients from my Outlook contacts folder). I have a suspicion that the problem may be something in the xml being generated, but don't know what it should look like exactly. Any ideas? Thank you very much. Sincerely yours, Guss Ginsburg Beechnut Consulting Services 5247 Beechnut Street Houston, TX 77096 Ph: 713-667-8216 Cell: 713-553-6298 www.beechnutconsulting.com From marksimms at verizon.net Wed Oct 19 12:10:35 2011 From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms) Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2011 13:10:35 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Known Bugs List in A2K7/10 In-Reply-To: References: <4E9E8A33.5135.61C4375@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <006d01cc8e67$994826c0$cbd87440$@net> Message-ID: <008001cc8e82$04f3a1f0$0edae5d0$@net> Hah, hah...very funny Doug ! From vbacreations at gmail.com Wed Oct 19 20:46:48 2011 From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson (VBACreations.Com)) Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2011 21:46:48 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Known Bugs List in A2K7/10 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000801cc8eca$225908a0$670b19e0$@gmail.com> >> .Net, C#, and Visual Studio. I wish I had the intelligence to pick up something new... don't... -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2011 4:15 AM To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [AccessD] Known Bugs List in A2K7/10 Hi Mark and Darry and ... Oh my, what a frightening thread. You guys and Charlotte really scare one from ever touching development in Access 2007 or 2010. I never moved beyond 2003 ... then took a sharp right (pun and pun intended!) turn to .Net, C#, and Visual Studio. /gustav >>> darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au 19-10-2011 01:51 >>> Thanks Mark, Looks like am in for some future 'fun'. Right now I use A2007 80% of the time vs A2010 for the other 20%. Perhaps my current experience and feelings are based on this ratio rather than the actual issues in each individual product. I do find A2010 more finished and smooth to use, but that maybe because I don't push it around too much right now. Let just say I respect your (and everyone on this list) opinions and happy to listen to the (usually excellent) advice you all give on these matters. Cheers Darry. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Simms Sent: Wednesday, 19 October 2011 10:08 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Known Bugs List in A2K7/10 No way. 2010 is way more pain than 2007. That being said, AC 2007 could easily be blown-up by simply moving form controls on a multipage control. The sheer number of complaints about 2010 on the social.msdn website forum for Access is pretty much the proof in the pudding so-to-speak. > I am with Doug, I prefer A2010 to A2007 which I find painful beast to > use most of the time. in-elegant and clunky is how I best describe it - > and freaking weird. It does some strange things from time to time. -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From vbacreations at gmail.com Wed Oct 19 20:50:39 2011 From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson (VBACreations.Com)) Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2011 21:50:39 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Known Bugs List in A2K7/10 In-Reply-To: <4E9E8A33.5135.61C4375@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: <4E9E8A33.5135.61C4375@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <000901cc8eca$ac281df0$047859d0$@gmail.com> I think this is fine *IF* 2010 is not going to flake out on your users after deployment when you're all confident in your software cuz it worked fine in development... I develop (the limited bit I do) in 2010 so that if it doesn't work for me, I won't expect it to work for them. If something is supposed to work, I don't see the benefit of gaining false assurance just because it does in 2003. And I have definitely seen code I wrote in 2003 not work in 2010, I just can't remember what just now. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2011 4:29 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Known Bugs List in A2K7/10 I'm still developing primarily in 2003 and deploying the .mdbs on 07/10 installations. Generally it works seamlessly. -- Stuart On 19 Oct 2011 at 10:14, Gustav Brock wrote: > Hi Mark and Darry and ... > > Oh my, what a frightening thread. You guys and Charlotte really scare > one from ever touching development in Access 2007 or 2010. I never > moved beyond 2003 ... then took a sharp right (pun and pun intended!) > turn to .Net, C#, and Visual Studio. > > /gustav > > > >>> darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au 19-10-2011 01:51 >>> > Thanks Mark, > > Looks like am in for some future 'fun'. Right now I use A2007 80% of > the time vs A2010 for the other 20%. Perhaps my current experience > and feelings are based on this ratio rather than the actual issues in > each individual product. > > I do find A2010 more finished and smooth to use, but that maybe > because I don't push it around too much right now. > > Let just say I respect your (and everyone on this list) opinions and > happy to listen to the (usually excellent) advice you all give on > these matters. > > Cheers > Darry. > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Simms > Sent: Wednesday, 19 October 2011 10:08 AM To: 'Access Developers > discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Known Bugs List > in A2K7/10 > > No way. 2010 is way more pain than 2007. That being said, AC 2007 > could easily be blown-up by simply moving form controls on a multipage > control. The sheer number of complaints about 2010 on the social.msdn > website forum for Access is pretty much the proof in the pudding > so-to-speak. > > > I am with Doug, I prefer A2010 to A2007 which I find painful beast > > to use most of the time. in-elegant and clunky is how I best > > describe it - and freaking weird. It does some strange things from > > time to time. > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au Wed Oct 19 21:13:05 2011 From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins) Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2011 02:13:05 +0000 Subject: [AccessD] Known Bugs List in A2K7/10 In-Reply-To: <000901cc8eca$ac281df0$047859d0$@gmail.com> References: <4E9E8A33.5135.61C4375@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <000901cc8eca$ac281df0$047859d0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55BC2C9@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com> I agree it is risky to assume it will work. I have numerous instances where code fails in both Access and XL between 2003 and 2007+. Sometimes it is understandable and even documented (ie code / features / syntax has been changed or removed - filesearch is a good example of this). But other times it is just plain weird and makes NO sense at all. Such are having to move Activeworkbook.ResetColors to further down the code to prevent data corruption & crashing in XL2007 - something which had worked flawlessly for years in XL2003. That was really odd. The risk for me is my clients run a whole mixed bag of OS's and Office version. Guess I am lucky there are no Macs out there I need to deal with so far. Cheers d -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Benson (VBACreations.Com) Sent: Thursday, 20 October 2011 12:51 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Known Bugs List in A2K7/10 I think this is fine *IF* 2010 is not going to flake out on your users after deployment when you're all confident in your software cuz it worked fine in development... I develop (the limited bit I do) in 2010 so that if it doesn't work for me, I won't expect it to work for them. If something is supposed to work, I don't see the benefit of gaining false assurance just because it does in 2003. And I have definitely seen code I wrote in 2003 not work in 2010, I just can't remember what just now. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2011 4:29 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Known Bugs List in A2K7/10 I'm still developing primarily in 2003 and deploying the .mdbs on 07/10 installations. Generally it works seamlessly. -- Stuart On 19 Oct 2011 at 10:14, Gustav Brock wrote: > Hi Mark and Darry and ... > > Oh my, what a frightening thread. You guys and Charlotte really scare > one from ever touching development in Access 2007 or 2010. I never > moved beyond 2003 ... then took a sharp right (pun and pun intended!) > turn to .Net, C#, and Visual Studio. > > /gustav > > > >>> darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au 19-10-2011 01:51 >>> > Thanks Mark, > > Looks like am in for some future 'fun'. Right now I use A2007 80% of > the time vs A2010 for the other 20%. Perhaps my current experience > and feelings are based on this ratio rather than the actual issues in > each individual product. > > I do find A2010 more finished and smooth to use, but that maybe > because I don't push it around too much right now. > > Let just say I respect your (and everyone on this list) opinions and > happy to listen to the (usually excellent) advice you all give on > these matters. > > Cheers > Darry. > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Simms > Sent: Wednesday, 19 October 2011 10:08 AM To: 'Access Developers > discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Known Bugs List > in A2K7/10 > > No way. 2010 is way more pain than 2007. That being said, AC 2007 > could easily be blown-up by simply moving form controls on a multipage > control. The sheer number of complaints about 2010 on the social.msdn > website forum for Access is pretty much the proof in the pudding > so-to-speak. > > > I am with Doug, I prefer A2010 to A2007 which I find painful beast > > to use most of the time. in-elegant and clunky is how I best > > describe it - and freaking weird. It does some strange things from > > time to time. > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Gustav at cactus.dk Thu Oct 20 03:06:13 2011 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2011 10:06:13 +0200 Subject: [AccessD] Known Bugs List in A2K7/10 Message-ID: Hi William Don't say that. As a matter of fact with knowledge like yours, getting started with Visual Studio is more a question about available time and patience to pass the first steps of the learning curve - then it is forward (no ending point). /gustav >>> vbacreations at gmail.com 20-10-2011 03:46 >>> >> .Net, C#, and Visual Studio. I wish I had the intelligence to pick up something new... don't... -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2011 4:15 AM To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [AccessD] Known Bugs List in A2K7/10 Hi Mark and Darry and ... Oh my, what a frightening thread. You guys and Charlotte really scare one from ever touching development in Access 2007 or 2010. I never moved beyond 2003 ... then took a sharp right (pun and pun intended!) turn to .Net, C#, and Visual Studio. /gustav From tinanfields at torchlake.com Thu Oct 20 07:50:08 2011 From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields) Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2011 08:50:08 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Known Bugs List in A2K7/10 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4EA01900.9020409@torchlake.com> Gustav, I'm so glad you spoke up about that. We who already know how to learn are better prepared than many of our younger colleagues to take on another programming language. T Tina Norris Fields tinanfields at torchlake.com 231-322-2787 On 10/20/2011 4:06 AM, Gustav Brock wrote: > Hi William > > Don't say that. As a matter of fact with knowledge like yours, getting started with Visual Studio is more a question about available time and patience to pass the first steps of the learning curve - then it is forward (no ending point). > > /gustav > > >>>> vbacreations at gmail.com 20-10-2011 03:46>>> >>> .Net, C#, and Visual Studio. > I wish I had the intelligence to pick up something new... don't... > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock > Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2011 4:15 AM > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Known Bugs List in A2K7/10 > > Hi Mark and Darry and ... > > Oh my, what a frightening thread. You guys and Charlotte really scare one > from ever touching development in Access 2007 or 2010. > I never moved beyond 2003 ... then took a sharp right (pun and pun > intended!) turn to .Net, C#, and Visual Studio. > > /gustav > > From marksimms at verizon.net Thu Oct 20 08:50:00 2011 From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms) Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2011 09:50:00 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Known Bugs List in A2K7/10 In-Reply-To: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55BC2C9@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com> References: <4E9E8A33.5135.61C4375@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <000901cc8eca$ac281df0$047859d0$@gmail.com> <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55BC2C9@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com> Message-ID: <000001cc8f2f$29c987d0$7d5c9770$@net> I just want to let you know that the current demise of Access is totally MSFT's own fault: Poor beta testing of new releases. Business users just don't tolerate buggy software. PERIOD. It's unproductive and wasteful. I begged to be on the AC2010 beta test list....and the then product manager rejected my application. I don't think they even have an Access product manager now. From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au Thu Oct 20 17:44:51 2011 From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins) Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2011 22:44:51 +0000 Subject: [AccessD] Known Bugs List in A2K7/10 In-Reply-To: <000001cc8f2f$29c987d0$7d5c9770$@net> References: <4E9E8A33.5135.61C4375@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <000901cc8eca$ac281df0$047859d0$@gmail.com> <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55BC2C9@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com> <000001cc8f2f$29c987d0$7d5c9770$@net> Message-ID: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55BC4B5@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com> Not to mention risky as hell. No-one was to risk their data getting lost, corrupted or destroyed. Especially when the user has done nothing stupid or wrong, but the software itself is causing the issues. Access was already treated with some suspicion by the corporate IT world. I doubt it's standing has improved much with the new releases. IMHO they have tried to turn it into some kind of spreadsheet in a hope that XL users will pick it up for the extra grunt that Access offers. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Simms Sent: Friday, 21 October 2011 12:50 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Known Bugs List in A2K7/10 I just want to let you know that the current demise of Access is totally MSFT's own fault: Poor beta testing of new releases. Business users just don't tolerate buggy software. PERIOD. It's unproductive and wasteful. I begged to be on the AC2010 beta test list....and the then product manager rejected my application. I don't think they even have an Access product manager now. -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From davidmcafee at gmail.com Thu Oct 20 17:56:16 2011 From: davidmcafee at gmail.com (David McAfee) Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2011 15:56:16 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Known Bugs List in A2K7/10 In-Reply-To: <000901cc8eca$ac281df0$047859d0$@gmail.com> References: <4E9E8A33.5135.61C4375@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <000901cc8eca$ac281df0$047859d0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: This is what happened to me with my VBA rowsource example that I posted. The code had worked for years, even on 2010, then SP1 was released and it broke. Luckily it was a local user and a very quick fix for me to figure out. D On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 6:50 PM, William Benson (VBACreations.Com) < vbacreations at gmail.com> wrote: > I think this is fine *IF* 2010 is not going to flake out on your users > after > deployment when you're all confident in your software cuz it worked fine in > development... I develop (the limited bit I do) in 2010 so that if it > doesn't work for me, I won't expect it to work for them. If something is > supposed to work, I don't see the benefit of gaining false assurance just > because it does in 2003. And I have definitely seen code I wrote in 2003 > not > work in 2010, I just can't remember what just now. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart > McLachlan > Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2011 4:29 AM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Known Bugs List in A2K7/10 > > I'm still developing primarily in 2003 and deploying the .mdbs on 07/10 > installations. > Generally it works seamlessly. > > -- > Stuart > > On 19 Oct 2011 at 10:14, Gustav Brock wrote: > > > Hi Mark and Darry and ... > > > > Oh my, what a frightening thread. You guys and Charlotte really scare > > one from ever touching development in Access 2007 or 2010. I never > > moved beyond 2003 ... then took a sharp right (pun and pun intended!) > > turn to .Net, C#, and Visual Studio. > > > > /gustav > > > > > > >>> darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au 19-10-2011 01:51 >>> > > Thanks Mark, > > > > Looks like am in for some future 'fun'. Right now I use A2007 80% of > > the time vs A2010 for the other 20%. Perhaps my current experience > > and feelings are based on this ratio rather than the actual issues in > > each individual product. > > > > I do find A2010 more finished and smooth to use, but that maybe > > because I don't push it around too much right now. > > > > Let just say I respect your (and everyone on this list) opinions and > > happy to listen to the (usually excellent) advice you all give on > > these matters. > > > > Cheers > > Darry. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Simms > > Sent: Wednesday, 19 October 2011 10:08 AM To: 'Access Developers > > discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Known Bugs List > > in A2K7/10 > > > > No way. 2010 is way more pain than 2007. That being said, AC 2007 > > could easily be blown-up by simply moving form controls on a multipage > > control. The sheer number of complaints about 2010 on the social.msdn > > website forum for Access is pretty much the proof in the pudding > > so-to-speak. > > > > > I am with Doug, I prefer A2010 to A2007 which I find painful beast > > > to use most of the time. in-elegant and clunky is how I best > > > describe it - and freaking weird. It does some strange things from > > > time to time. > > > > > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From marksimms at verizon.net Thu Oct 20 21:31:27 2011 From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms) Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2011 22:31:27 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Known Bugs List in A2K7/10 In-Reply-To: References: <4E9E8A33.5135.61C4375@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <000901cc8eca$ac281df0$047859d0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <004a01cc8f99$8944af90$9bce0eb0$@net> I've been hitting dozens of these 2010 glitches. The good news is: a "hot" fix is imminent. The bad news is: no one knows exactly what it's going to "fix". > This is what happened to me with my VBA rowsource example that I > posted. > The code had worked for years, even on 2010, then SP1 was released and > it > broke. > Luckily it was a local user and a very quick fix for me to figure out. From michael at mattysconsulting.com Sat Oct 22 11:35:40 2011 From: michael at mattysconsulting.com (Michael Mattys) Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2011 12:35:40 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Memory: The Final Frontier Message-ID: <003101cc90d8$a3ff3950$ebfdabf0$@mattysconsulting.com> It isn't Friday OT anymore, but let's call this forthcoming database technology ... http://www.viewzone.com/memorytest1.html Two things needed to even begin understanding brain, memory, and, finally, the human mind: 1) Mechanical retrieval and storage of memory from (cells of) a living, conscious human 2) Mechanical retrieval and storage of memory from a (recently) deceased human Michael R Mattys Mattys Consulting, LLC www.mattysconsulting.com From vbacreations at gmail.com Sat Oct 22 12:23:45 2011 From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson) Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2011 13:23:45 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Memory: The Final Frontier In-Reply-To: <003101cc90d8$a3ff3950$ebfdabf0$@mattysconsulting.com> References: <003101cc90d8$a3ff3950$ebfdabf0$@mattysconsulting.com> Message-ID: Transfer of memory maybe applies not only to living organ transplants but food we eat. The animals raised very inhumanely may indirectly be cause for a lot of suffering in our own lives. I am not a herbivore but after seeing Food Inc. I do feel that the rise of so much need for health care coincides with the mass production of meats. I have begun insisting our household only buy naturally raised animal products. I had not thought about it being some kind of cellular information transfer but this article has me thinking now even more along those lines. What a study that would make, a group of people who ate real "happy meals" .... products from animals raised and slauggtered humanely versus another group who ate the false "Happy Meals?". See which group suffered more from depression over the course of a year. On Oct 22, 2011 12:37 PM, "Michael Mattys" wrote: > It isn't Friday OT anymore, but let's call this forthcoming database > technology ... > > http://www.viewzone.com/memorytest1.html > > Two things needed to even begin understanding brain, memory, and, finally, > the human mind: > > 1) Mechanical retrieval and storage of memory from (cells of) a living, > conscious human > 2) Mechanical retrieval and storage of memory from a (recently) deceased > human > > Michael R Mattys > Mattys Consulting, LLC > www.mattysconsulting.com > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From michael at mattysconsulting.com Sat Oct 22 13:14:14 2011 From: michael at mattysconsulting.com (Michael Mattys) Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2011 14:14:14 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Memory: The Final Frontier In-Reply-To: References: <003101cc90d8$a3ff3950$ebfdabf0$@mattysconsulting.com> Message-ID: <003201cc90e6$69011c20$3b035460$@mattysconsulting.com> I was actually speaking toward the possibility of a far more 'personal' personal computer, that is, 'on-board' processing for memory-database access. Very interesting point of view, though, William. Michael R Mattys Mattys Consulting, LLC www.mattysconsulting.com P.S. Of course, memory would have to affect some chemical change of the animal prior to death and after death, as well as before, during, and after meal preparation. I know I hate the 'gamey' taste of adrenalin at all of those times. Perhaps there could also be a way devised to test animal memory to determine their treatment. A movie about dolphins comes to mind. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Benson Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2011 1:24 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Memory: The Final Frontier Transfer of memory maybe applies not only to living organ transplants but food we eat. The animals raised very inhumanely may indirectly be cause for a lot of suffering in our own lives. I am not a herbivore but after seeing Food Inc. I do feel that the rise of so much need for health care coincides with the mass production of meats. I have begun insisting our household only buy naturally raised animal products. I had not thought about it being some kind of cellular information transfer but this article has me thinking now even more along those lines. What a study that would make, a group of people who ate real "happy meals" .... products from animals raised and slauggtered humanely versus another group who ate the false "Happy MealsT". See which group suffered more from depression over the course of a year. On Oct 22, 2011 12:37 PM, "Michael Mattys" wrote: > It isn't Friday OT anymore, but let's call this forthcoming database > technology ... > > http://www.viewzone.com/memorytest1.html > > Two things needed to even begin understanding brain, memory, and, > finally, the human mind: > > 1) Mechanical retrieval and storage of memory from (cells of) a > living, conscious human > 2) Mechanical retrieval and storage of memory from a (recently) > deceased human > > Michael R Mattys > Mattys Consulting, LLC > www.mattysconsulting.com > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From vbacreations at gmail.com Sat Oct 22 13:37:12 2011 From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson) Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2011 14:37:12 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Memory: The Final Frontier In-Reply-To: <003201cc90e6$69011c20$3b035460$@mattysconsulting.com> References: <003101cc90d8$a3ff3950$ebfdabf0$@mattysconsulting.com> <003201cc90e6$69011c20$3b035460$@mattysconsulting.com> Message-ID: Sorry for co-opting your topic. Actually i am personally intersted in it because my own short term memory has been decaying. I have been looking for answrs as to why. I feel my personality has been changing too. Largely that i am more readily influenced by very new info rather than more established info. The symptoms are easily explained: older data is missing. And since I have not received any transplants lately I am thinking along the lines of toxins, or technological interference or food supply. As for your PS... no I think you may have missed my point. I was thinking in terms of LONG TERM storage of memories of pain/discomfort, neglect, fear,abuse, disease, and general anxiety that comes from not living life in a way compatible with the animals nature. I don't think the final stretch (slaughter and final thoughts) are recorded in the meat (of course it could be )... but if the premises in the article are valid and extrapolatable then the long term effects of the living conditions and being fed things contrary to the animals proper biological diet... things which "fatten" and make them grow their food yielding parts at the expense of proper function as nature intended could very well be something that changes us upon ingestion. Anyway I am no expert, but this article does make me think it is not all simple binary, but energy field driven. After all much thought has emotional components as well as facts. If poorly treated food supply is driving some of our own negativity then we benefit by being more humane. This would not be a hard test and I am going to recommend it to PETA or some organic farmers. Maybe it has already been done. For sure the big agribusiness and FDA would try to shut down the research. On Oct 22, 2011 2:15 PM, "Michael Mattys" wrote: > I was actually speaking toward the possibility of a far more 'personal' > personal computer, > that is, 'on-board' processing for memory-database access. > Very interesting point of view, though, William. > > Michael R Mattys > Mattys Consulting, LLC > www.mattysconsulting.com > > P.S. > > Of course, memory would have to affect some chemical change of the animal > prior to death > and after death, as well as before, during, and after meal preparation. I > know I hate the 'gamey' > taste of adrenalin at all of those times. > > Perhaps there could also be a way devised to test animal memory to > determine > their treatment. > A movie about dolphins comes to mind. > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Benson > Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2011 1:24 PM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Memory: The Final Frontier > > Transfer of memory maybe applies not only to living organ transplants but > food we eat. The animals raised very inhumanely may indirectly be cause for > a lot of suffering in our own lives. I am not a herbivore but after seeing > Food Inc. I do feel that the rise of so much need for health care > coincides > with the mass production of meats. I have begun insisting our household > only > buy naturally raised animal products. I had not thought about it being some > kind of cellular information transfer but this article has me thinking now > even more along those lines. > > What a study that would make, a group of people who ate real "happy meals" > .... products from animals raised and slauggtered humanely versus another > group who ate the false "Happy MealsT". See which group suffered more from > depression over the course of a year. > On Oct 22, 2011 12:37 PM, "Michael Mattys" > wrote: > > > It isn't Friday OT anymore, but let's call this forthcoming database > > technology ... > > > > http://www.viewzone.com/memorytest1.html > > > > Two things needed to even begin understanding brain, memory, and, > > finally, the human mind: > > > > 1) Mechanical retrieval and storage of memory from (cells of) a > > living, conscious human > > 2) Mechanical retrieval and storage of memory from a (recently) > > deceased human > > > > Michael R Mattys > > Mattys Consulting, LLC > > www.mattysconsulting.com > > > > > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Sat Oct 22 13:45:36 2011 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2011 14:45:36 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] It does my heart good Message-ID: <4EA30F50.8020903@colbyconsulting.com> What a hoot! have we ALL experienced this? http://techcrunch.com/2008/06/25/gates-sends-angry-e-mail-sounds-just-like-a-customer/ -- John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it From vbacreations at gmail.com Sat Oct 22 13:58:16 2011 From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson) Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2011 14:58:16 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] It does my heart good In-Reply-To: <4EA30F50.8020903@colbyconsulting.com> References: <4EA30F50.8020903@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: And he has a memory capable of knowing what he did and what the result was. I have lost that kind of recall and when I go thru stuff like that I just lose the day and don't really have a good accounting of why! B. Gates is a really smart man. Lucky to have so much together in life. I probably missed your pint john. :) On Oct 22, 2011 2:46 PM, "jwcolby" wrote: > What a hoot! have we ALL experienced this? > > http://techcrunch.com/2008/06/**25/gates-sends-angry-e-mail-** > sounds-just-like-a-customer/ > > -- > John W. Colby > Colby Consulting > > Reality is what refuses to go away > when you do not believe in it > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.**com > From vbacreations at gmail.com Sat Oct 22 13:59:09 2011 From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson) Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2011 14:59:09 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] It does my heart good In-Reply-To: References: <4EA30F50.8020903@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: Point. Pints I never miss! On Oct 22, 2011 2:58 PM, "William Benson" wrote: > And he has a memory capable of knowing what he did and what the result was. > I have lost that kind of recall and when I go thru stuff like that I just > lose the day and don't really have a good accounting of why! > > B. Gates is a really smart man. Lucky to have so much together in life. > > I probably missed your pint john. > > :) > On Oct 22, 2011 2:46 PM, "jwcolby" wrote: > >> What a hoot! have we ALL experienced this? >> >> http://techcrunch.com/2008/06/**25/gates-sends-angry-e-mail-** >> sounds-just-like-a-customer/ >> >> -- >> John W. Colby >> Colby Consulting >> >> Reality is what refuses to go away >> when you do not believe in it >> -- >> AccessD mailing list >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/accessd >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.**com >> > From michael at mattysconsulting.com Sat Oct 22 14:57:10 2011 From: michael at mattysconsulting.com (Michael Mattys) Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2011 15:57:10 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Memory: The Final Frontier In-Reply-To: References: <003101cc90d8$a3ff3950$ebfdabf0$@mattysconsulting.com> <003201cc90e6$69011c20$3b035460$@mattysconsulting.com> Message-ID: <003301cc90f4$ca403fd0$5ec0bf70$@mattysconsulting.com> I have explored many such avenues in regard to ALS and Parkinson's Disease. As filled with data as our databases are, making sense of it all is elusive. Michael R Mattys Mattys Consulting, LLC www.mattysconsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Benson Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2011 2:37 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Memory: The Final Frontier Sorry for co-opting your topic. Actually i am personally intersted in it because my own short term memory has been decaying. I have been looking for answrs as to why. I feel my personality has been changing too. Largely that i am more readily influenced by very new info rather than more established info. The symptoms are easily explained: older data is missing. And since I have not received any transplants lately I am thinking along the lines of toxins, or technological interference or food supply. As for your PS... no I think you may have missed my point. I was thinking in terms of LONG TERM storage of memories of pain/discomfort, neglect, fear,abuse, disease, and general anxiety that comes from not living life in a way compatible with the animals nature. I don't think the final stretch (slaughter and final thoughts) are recorded in the meat (of course it could be )... but if the premises in the article are valid and extrapolatable then the long term effects of the living conditions and being fed things contrary to the animals proper biological diet... things which "fatten" and make them grow their food yielding parts at the expense of proper function as nature intended could very well be something that changes us upon ingestion. Anyway I am no expert, but this article does make me think it is not all simple binary, but energy field driven. After all much thought has emotional components as well as facts. If poorly treated food supply is driving some of our own negativity then we benefit by being more humane. This would not be a hard test and I am going to recommend it to PETA or some organic farmers. Maybe it has already been done. For sure the big agribusiness and FDA would try to shut down the research. On Oct 22, 2011 2:15 PM, "Michael Mattys" wrote: > I was actually speaking toward the possibility of a far more 'personal' > personal computer, > that is, 'on-board' processing for memory-database access. > Very interesting point of view, though, William. > > Michael R Mattys > Mattys Consulting, LLC > www.mattysconsulting.com > > P.S. > > Of course, memory would have to affect some chemical change of the > animal prior to death and after death, as well as before, during, and > after meal preparation. I know I hate the 'gamey' > taste of adrenalin at all of those times. > > Perhaps there could also be a way devised to test animal memory to > determine their treatment. > A movie about dolphins comes to mind. > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William > Benson > Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2011 1:24 PM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Memory: The Final Frontier > > Transfer of memory maybe applies not only to living organ transplants > but food we eat. The animals raised very inhumanely may indirectly be > cause for a lot of suffering in our own lives. I am not a herbivore > but after seeing Food Inc. I do feel that the rise of so much need > for health care coincides with the mass production of meats. I have > begun insisting our household only buy naturally raised animal > products. I had not thought about it being some kind of cellular > information transfer but this article has me thinking now even more > along those lines. > > What a study that would make, a group of people who ate real "happy meals" > .... products from animals raised and slauggtered humanely versus > another group who ate the false "Happy MealsT". See which group > suffered more from depression over the course of a year. > On Oct 22, 2011 12:37 PM, "Michael Mattys" > > wrote: > > > It isn't Friday OT anymore, but let's call this forthcoming database > > technology ... > > > > http://www.viewzone.com/memorytest1.html > > > > Two things needed to even begin understanding brain, memory, and, > > finally, the human mind: > > > > 1) Mechanical retrieval and storage of memory from (cells of) a > > living, conscious human > > 2) Mechanical retrieval and storage of memory from a (recently) > > deceased human > > > > Michael R Mattys > > Mattys Consulting, LLC > > www.mattysconsulting.com > > > > > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Sat Oct 22 15:07:03 2011 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2011 13:07:03 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Memory: The Final Frontier In-Reply-To: <003201cc90e6$69011c20$3b035460$@mattysconsulting.com> References: <003101cc90d8$a3ff3950$ebfdabf0$@mattysconsulting.com> <003201cc90e6$69011c20$3b035460$@mattysconsulting.com> Message-ID: <49E6C7895FCE47D294E77505B2BD25D2@creativesystemdesigns.com> Why do you think I like personal computers so much...they are just an extension to my own limited memory and memory retrieval system. If you had photographic memory why bother with personal computers? ;-) Jim -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Michael Mattys Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2011 11:14 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Memory: The Final Frontier I was actually speaking toward the possibility of a far more 'personal' personal computer, that is, 'on-board' processing for memory-database access. Very interesting point of view, though, William. Michael R Mattys Mattys Consulting, LLC www.mattysconsulting.com P.S. Of course, memory would have to affect some chemical change of the animal prior to death and after death, as well as before, during, and after meal preparation. I know I hate the 'gamey' taste of adrenalin at all of those times. Perhaps there could also be a way devised to test animal memory to determine their treatment. A movie about dolphins comes to mind. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Benson Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2011 1:24 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Memory: The Final Frontier Transfer of memory maybe applies not only to living organ transplants but food we eat. The animals raised very inhumanely may indirectly be cause for a lot of suffering in our own lives. I am not a herbivore but after seeing Food Inc. I do feel that the rise of so much need for health care coincides with the mass production of meats. I have begun insisting our household only buy naturally raised animal products. I had not thought about it being some kind of cellular information transfer but this article has me thinking now even more along those lines. What a study that would make, a group of people who ate real "happy meals" .... products from animals raised and slauggtered humanely versus another group who ate the false "Happy MealsT". See which group suffered more from depression over the course of a year. On Oct 22, 2011 12:37 PM, "Michael Mattys" wrote: > It isn't Friday OT anymore, but let's call this forthcoming database > technology ... > > http://www.viewzone.com/memorytest1.html > > Two things needed to even begin understanding brain, memory, and, > finally, the human mind: > > 1) Mechanical retrieval and storage of memory from (cells of) a > living, conscious human > 2) Mechanical retrieval and storage of memory from a (recently) > deceased human > > Michael R Mattys > Mattys Consulting, LLC > www.mattysconsulting.com > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Sat Oct 22 15:19:31 2011 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2011 13:19:31 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Memory: The Final Frontier In-Reply-To: References: <003101cc90d8$a3ff3950$ebfdabf0$@mattysconsulting.com> <003201cc90e6$69011c20$3b035460$@mattysconsulting.com> Message-ID: It might be capacity. 64K memory does not go far these days...that much memory took the Voyager spacecrafts to the edge of the solar system. Now a days you will find you have to forget something before you will have room to remember something new...just like those craft. You are not just being more influenced, now, by new ideas because you would not be a programmer in the first place. Case in point, you jumped on the first PC you ran across...that is just a case of genetic early adopter syndrome, I believe. ;-) Jim -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Benson Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2011 11:37 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Memory: The Final Frontier Sorry for co-opting your topic. Actually i am personally intersted in it because my own short term memory has been decaying. I have been looking for answrs as to why. I feel my personality has been changing too. Largely that i am more readily influenced by very new info rather than more established info. The symptoms are easily explained: older data is missing. And since I have not received any transplants lately I am thinking along the lines of toxins, or technological interference or food supply. As for your PS... no I think you may have missed my point. I was thinking in terms of LONG TERM storage of memories of pain/discomfort, neglect, fear,abuse, disease, and general anxiety that comes from not living life in a way compatible with the animals nature. I don't think the final stretch (slaughter and final thoughts) are recorded in the meat (of course it could be )... but if the premises in the article are valid and extrapolatable then the long term effects of the living conditions and being fed things contrary to the animals proper biological diet... things which "fatten" and make them grow their food yielding parts at the expense of proper function as nature intended could very well be something that changes us upon ingestion. Anyway I am no expert, but this article does make me think it is not all simple binary, but energy field driven. After all much thought has emotional components as well as facts. If poorly treated food supply is driving some of our own negativity then we benefit by being more humane. This would not be a hard test and I am going to recommend it to PETA or some organic farmers. Maybe it has already been done. For sure the big agribusiness and FDA would try to shut down the research. On Oct 22, 2011 2:15 PM, "Michael Mattys" wrote: > I was actually speaking toward the possibility of a far more 'personal' > personal computer, > that is, 'on-board' processing for memory-database access. > Very interesting point of view, though, William. > > Michael R Mattys > Mattys Consulting, LLC > www.mattysconsulting.com > > P.S. > > Of course, memory would have to affect some chemical change of the animal > prior to death > and after death, as well as before, during, and after meal preparation. I > know I hate the 'gamey' > taste of adrenalin at all of those times. > > Perhaps there could also be a way devised to test animal memory to > determine > their treatment. > A movie about dolphins comes to mind. > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Benson > Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2011 1:24 PM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Memory: The Final Frontier > > Transfer of memory maybe applies not only to living organ transplants but > food we eat. The animals raised very inhumanely may indirectly be cause for > a lot of suffering in our own lives. I am not a herbivore but after seeing > Food Inc. I do feel that the rise of so much need for health care > coincides > with the mass production of meats. I have begun insisting our household > only > buy naturally raised animal products. I had not thought about it being some > kind of cellular information transfer but this article has me thinking now > even more along those lines. > > What a study that would make, a group of people who ate real "happy meals" > .... products from animals raised and slauggtered humanely versus another > group who ate the false "Happy MealsT". See which group suffered more from > depression over the course of a year. > On Oct 22, 2011 12:37 PM, "Michael Mattys" > wrote: > > > It isn't Friday OT anymore, but let's call this forthcoming database > > technology ... > > > > http://www.viewzone.com/memorytest1.html > > > > Two things needed to even begin understanding brain, memory, and, > > finally, the human mind: > > > > 1) Mechanical retrieval and storage of memory from (cells of) a > > living, conscious human > > 2) Mechanical retrieval and storage of memory from a (recently) > > deceased human > > > > Michael R Mattys > > Mattys Consulting, LLC > > www.mattysconsulting.com > > > > > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From marksimms at verizon.net Sat Oct 22 16:26:07 2011 From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms) Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2011 17:26:07 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Memory: The Final Frontier In-Reply-To: <003101cc90d8$a3ff3950$ebfdabf0$@mattysconsulting.com> References: <003101cc90d8$a3ff3950$ebfdabf0$@mattysconsulting.com> Message-ID: <000401cc9101$3658b600$a30a2200$@net> #1 definitely of huge value for getting the truth from lawyers. They are living, but I not sure they have a conscience....so it might not work ;) From marksimms at verizon.net Sun Oct 23 11:01:48 2011 From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms) Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2011 12:01:48 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] It does my heart good In-Reply-To: <4EA30F50.8020903@colbyconsulting.com> References: <4EA30F50.8020903@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <000601cc919d$12de8e10$389baa30$@net> He's a LOT like Steve Jobs. Not many people can drop down into the details as well as being visionaries. Not many at all. That's why they MADE THE BIG BUCKS. From tinanfields at torchlake.com Sun Oct 23 11:09:01 2011 From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields) Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2011 12:09:01 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] It does my heart good In-Reply-To: <4EA30F50.8020903@colbyconsulting.com> References: <4EA30F50.8020903@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <4EA43C1D.3070805@torchlake.com> Yeah, we have! It's great that Bill Gates tries to use the things we try to use and has the wherewithal to force the needed changes. The line that made me laugh the most was the one about not anticipating using the download page to actually download something. LOL! What DID they think one would use a download page for? T Tina Norris Fields tinanfields at torchlake.com 231-322-2787 On 10/22/2011 2:45 PM, jwcolby wrote: > What a hoot! have we ALL experienced this? > > http://techcrunch.com/2008/06/25/gates-sends-angry-e-mail-sounds-just-like-a-customer/ > > From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au Sun Oct 23 17:32:10 2011 From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins) Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2011 22:32:10 +0000 Subject: [AccessD] Memory: The Final Frontier In-Reply-To: References: <003101cc90d8$a3ff3950$ebfdabf0$@mattysconsulting.com> <003201cc90e6$69011c20$3b035460$@mattysconsulting.com> Message-ID: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55BC97F@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com> " because my own short term memory has been decaying. I have been looking for answrs as to why" There is a some evidence << http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/15/health/15memory.html?_r=1 >> and discussion that the internet and technology in general is doing this to many of us. Remember when you were a kid, how many phone numbers could you recall off the top of your head? I could do dozens of the buggers, now I am lucky to recall 3 or 4. This is not because the internet is evil, but rather I *don't* need to remember anymore as Google, my phone, my email etc does all the remembering for me. Go back a bit further in time and it was common for people to be able to recite entire books and stories by memory. The printing press put paid to that. It seems our brains are smart, but rather lazy (efficient? - I have always felt the line between the two is very thin indeed) and while the brain is quite capable of remarkable feats, it only does the effort if you have a need for it. There are ways to work on improving your memory - take up professional card counting at your local casino for example ;) Of course Bill, you could just be getting old. Seriously though, Maybe you should delete all the most commonly used phone numbers from you cell phone and try to remember them instead. Cheers Darryll -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Benson Sent: Sunday, 23 October 2011 5:37 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Memory: The Final Frontier Sorry for co-opting your topic. Actually i am personally intersted in it because my own short term memory has been decaying. I have been looking for answrs as to why. I feel my personality has been changing too. Largely that i am more readily influenced by very new info rather than more established info. The symptoms are easily explained: older data is missing. And since I have not received any transplants lately I am thinking along the lines of toxins, or technological interference or food supply. As for your PS... no I think you may have missed my point. I was thinking in terms of LONG TERM storage of memories of pain/discomfort, neglect, fear,abuse, disease, and general anxiety that comes from not living life in a way compatible with the animals nature. I don't think the final stretch (slaughter and final thoughts) are recorded in the meat (of course it could be )... but if the premises in the article are valid and extrapolatable then the long term effects of the living conditions and being fed things contrary to the animals proper biological diet... things which "fatten" and make them grow their food yielding parts at the expense of proper function as nature intended could very well be something that changes us upon ingestion. Anyway I am no expert, but this article does make me think it is not all simple binary, but energy field driven. After all much thought has emotional components as well as facts. If poorly treated food supply is driving some of our own negativity then we benefit by being more humane. This would not be a hard test and I am going to recommend it to PETA or some organic farmers. Maybe it has already been done. For sure the big agribusiness and FDA would try to shut down the research. On Oct 22, 2011 2:15 PM, "Michael Mattys" wrote: > I was actually speaking toward the possibility of a far more 'personal' > personal computer, > that is, 'on-board' processing for memory-database access. > Very interesting point of view, though, William. > > Michael R Mattys > Mattys Consulting, LLC > www.mattysconsulting.com > > P.S. > > Of course, memory would have to affect some chemical change of the animal > prior to death > and after death, as well as before, during, and after meal preparation. I > know I hate the 'gamey' > taste of adrenalin at all of those times. > > Perhaps there could also be a way devised to test animal memory to > determine > their treatment. > A movie about dolphins comes to mind. > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Benson > Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2011 1:24 PM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Memory: The Final Frontier > > Transfer of memory maybe applies not only to living organ transplants but > food we eat. The animals raised very inhumanely may indirectly be cause for > a lot of suffering in our own lives. I am not a herbivore but after seeing > Food Inc. I do feel that the rise of so much need for health care > coincides > with the mass production of meats. I have begun insisting our household > only > buy naturally raised animal products. I had not thought about it being some > kind of cellular information transfer but this article has me thinking now > even more along those lines. > > What a study that would make, a group of people who ate real "happy meals" > .... products from animals raised and slauggtered humanely versus another > group who ate the false "Happy MealsT". See which group suffered more from > depression over the course of a year. > On Oct 22, 2011 12:37 PM, "Michael Mattys" > wrote: > > > It isn't Friday OT anymore, but let's call this forthcoming database > > technology ... > > > > http://www.viewzone.com/memorytest1.html > > > > Two things needed to even begin understanding brain, memory, and, > > finally, the human mind: > > > > 1) Mechanical retrieval and storage of memory from (cells of) a > > living, conscious human > > 2) Mechanical retrieval and storage of memory from a (recently) > > deceased human > > > > Michael R Mattys > > Mattys Consulting, LLC > > www.mattysconsulting.com > > > > > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From vbacreations at gmail.com Sun Oct 23 21:17:19 2011 From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson (VBACreations.Com)) Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2011 22:17:19 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] AddNewRecord "Problem" Message-ID: <000e01cc91f3$0f6f13c0$2e4d3b40$@gmail.com> Accdb database, I am not too familiar with Ac2010. ... especially how Access creates embedded events and actions instead of normal vba code to handle standard record operations on a buttonclick such as New Record. So I am trying to use VBA. When I create a new record in the table, I want to validate that the info entered is not already in the table. I could probably do this in the BeforeInsert, but I am instead doing it on the button click. If the record is one which may be added I want to insert a record. I am doing this presently by setting a dao recordset equal to the form's recordsetclone, and then saying Rst.AddNew, and then populating a few fields which are not bound to controls, then using bookmark to bring the rest of the form (and the bound controls) up to date and position the form on the correct record. That part is clunky but working, but the problem is that the Current event is not firing. For that matter, the Addnew is not firing either. I know I can call those events with code, but I was wondering why this method is not causing Current to fire on its own when I set the form's bookmark equal to the recordset's bookmark? From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au Sun Oct 23 21:47:23 2011 From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins) Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 02:47:23 +0000 Subject: [AccessD] AddNewRecord "Problem" In-Reply-To: <000e01cc91f3$0f6f13c0$2e4d3b40$@gmail.com> References: <000e01cc91f3$0f6f13c0$2e4d3b40$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55BCBCF@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com> Bill, You can convert any of the new Macros to VBA code. Open the form in design view and use the Convert Form's Macro to Visual Basic command. I always do this now if I use a wizard thingo that writes a macro rather than VBA. " I want to validate that the info entered is not already in the table" Isn't this something you would manage at table level using indexes and/or keys? I would also suggest you use an unbound form as it is much easier to deal with these sorts of things as you can validate the data *before* it is written to the table. To do this you can call up a recordset against your form data and if the recordcount = 0 you know the record doesn't exist and can add it. Other advantage is the user can painlessly exit the form without saving - fast and easy. Of course the bound / unbound debate on this list get pretty heated from time to time and there are pros and cons to both approaches. Anyway, a bit hard to give you the best answer as I don't fully understand what your data set up is. Cheers Darryl. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Benson (VBACreations.Com) Sent: Monday, 24 October 2011 1:17 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: [AccessD] AddNewRecord "Problem" Accdb database, I am not too familiar with Ac2010. ... especially how Access creates embedded events and actions instead of normal vba code to handle standard record operations on a buttonclick such as New Record. So I am trying to use VBA. When I create a new record in the table, I want to validate that the info entered is not already in the table. I could probably do this in the BeforeInsert, but I am instead doing it on the button click. If the record is one which may be added I want to insert a record. I am doing this presently by setting a dao recordset equal to the form's recordsetclone, and then saying Rst.AddNew, and then populating a few fields which are not bound to controls, then using bookmark to bring the rest of the form (and the bound controls) up to date and position the form on the correct record. That part is clunky but working, but the problem is that the Current event is not firing. For that matter, the Addnew is not firing either. I know I can call those events with code, but I was wondering why this method is not causing Current to fire on its own when I set the form's bookmark equal to the recordset's bookmark? -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From darren at activebilling.com.au Sun Oct 23 22:07:52 2011 From: darren at activebilling.com.au (Darren - Active Billing) Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 14:07:52 +1100 Subject: [AccessD] AddNewRecord "Problem" In-Reply-To: <000e01cc91f3$0f6f13c0$2e4d3b40$@gmail.com> References: <000e01cc91f3$0f6f13c0$2e4d3b40$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <007701cc91fa$205562a0$610027e0$@activebilling.com.au> Hi William, I agree with Darryl, tricky to make a useful suggestion without know a bit more. Normally for this sort of stuff I do it in the Before Update and use a DCOUNT or DLOOKUP, depending on the info. Then, if the count is greater than one, or if the info exists, I present a message box and cancel the sub. Depending on what's being added, usually somewhere, there is something pertinent that can be caught in a simple Domain Lookup. You can have multi parameters in the DLOOKUP too, and if it's just one line or one record to 'test' (i.e. No Loops) then the speeds are fine in my experience. - e.g. (pseudo code for very simple application of adding a new record) If you are trying to insert an AccountNo that already exists then msgbox the error and exit intNoOfAccounts = DCount("[AccountNo]", "tblAccounts", " AccountNo = " & Forms!frmSomeForm!txtSometextBox & " and IsCurrent = -1") if intNoOfAccounts>=1 then Msgbox "Something here about there already being an active AccountNo of " & Forms!frmSomeForm!txtSometextBox Cancel = true Else ''bat on - good to go Exit sub (Yes, I know you will all say that 'AccountNo' should be an indexed field blah blah blah, - I agree - this is just for demonstration) Hope this helps Darren -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Benson (VBACreations.Com) Sent: Monday, 24 October 2011 1:17 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: [AccessD] AddNewRecord "Problem" Accdb database, I am not too familiar with Ac2010. ... especially how Access creates embedded events and actions instead of normal vba code to handle standard record operations on a buttonclick such as New Record. So I am trying to use VBA. When I create a new record in the table, I want to validate that the info entered is not already in the table. I could probably do this in the BeforeInsert, but I am instead doing it on the button click. If the record is one which may be added I want to insert a record. I am doing this presently by setting a dao recordset equal to the form's recordsetclone, and then saying Rst.AddNew, and then populating a few fields which are not bound to controls, then using bookmark to bring the rest of the form (and the bound controls) up to date and position the form on the correct record. That part is clunky but working, but the problem is that the Current event is not firing. For that matter, the Addnew is not firing either. I know I can call those events with code, but I was wondering why this method is not causing Current to fire on its own when I set the form's bookmark equal to the recordset's bookmark? -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Sun Oct 23 22:22:31 2011 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2011 20:22:31 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] AddNewRecord "Problem" In-Reply-To: <000e01cc91f3$0f6f13c0$2e4d3b40$@gmail.com> References: <000e01cc91f3$0f6f13c0$2e4d3b40$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Are you using an autonumber PK? Any other fields indexed-no duplicates? How will you determine if the info is already in the table? What fields? Will those fields still be empty at the time of the Before Insert event? Rocky -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Benson (VBACreations.Com) Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2011 7:17 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: [AccessD] AddNewRecord "Problem" Accdb database, I am not too familiar with Ac2010. ... especially how Access creates embedded events and actions instead of normal vba code to handle standard record operations on a buttonclick such as New Record. So I am trying to use VBA. When I create a new record in the table, I want to validate that the info entered is not already in the table. I could probably do this in the BeforeInsert, but I am instead doing it on the button click. If the record is one which may be added I want to insert a record. I am doing this presently by setting a dao recordset equal to the form's recordsetclone, and then saying Rst.AddNew, and then populating a few fields which are not bound to controls, then using bookmark to bring the rest of the form (and the bound controls) up to date and position the form on the correct record. That part is clunky but working, but the problem is that the Current event is not firing. For that matter, the Addnew is not firing either. I know I can call those events with code, but I was wondering why this method is not causing Current to fire on its own when I set the form's bookmark equal to the recordset's bookmark? -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From vbacreations at gmail.com Sun Oct 23 22:41:05 2011 From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson) Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2011 23:41:05 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] AddNewRecord "Problem" In-Reply-To: References: <000e01cc91f3$0f6f13c0$2e4d3b40$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Yes to pk, it is simply [Id] Userid is indexed, required, no dupes allowed. I cant remember if i used dlookup ("[userid]='" & txtuserid &"'") or an inline SQL to check if txtuserid is already in the table or not. This for is working perfectly but I had a question about current not being fired after using bookmark On Oct 23, 2011 11:24 PM, "Rocky Smolin" wrote: > Are you using an autonumber PK? Any other fields indexed-no duplicates? > > How will you determine if the info is already in the table? What fields? > Will those fields still be empty at the time of the Before Insert event? > > Rocky > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Benson > (VBACreations.Com) > Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2011 7:17 PM > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > Subject: [AccessD] AddNewRecord "Problem" > > Accdb database, I am not too familiar with Ac2010. > > ... especially how Access creates embedded events and actions instead of > normal vba code to handle standard record operations on a buttonclick such > as New Record. So I am trying to use VBA. > > When I create a new record in the table, I want to validate that the info > entered is not already in the table. I could probably do this in the > BeforeInsert, but I am instead doing it on the button click. > > If the record is one which may be added I want to insert a record. I am > doing this presently by setting a dao recordset equal to the form's > recordsetclone, and then saying Rst.AddNew, and then populating a few > fields > which are not bound to controls, then using bookmark to bring the rest of > the form (and the bound controls) up to date and position the form on the > correct record. > > That part is clunky but working, but the problem is that the Current event > is not firing. For that matter, the Addnew is not firing either. > > I know I can call those events with code, but I was wondering why this > method is not causing Current to fire on its own when I set the form's > bookmark equal to the recordset's bookmark? > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From marksimms at verizon.net Mon Oct 24 09:57:08 2011 From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms) Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 10:57:08 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] AddNewRecord "Problem" In-Reply-To: <000e01cc91f3$0f6f13c0$2e4d3b40$@gmail.com> References: <000e01cc91f3$0f6f13c0$2e4d3b40$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <006201cc925d$34150b70$9c3f2250$@net> Can someone explain exactly what are the new "em" events supposed to do ? From rusty.hammond at cpiqpc.com Mon Oct 24 10:17:55 2011 From: rusty.hammond at cpiqpc.com (Rusty Hammond) Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 10:17:55 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Any Access add-ins to put app on mobile devices? Message-ID: <49A286ABF515E94A8505CD14DEB721701744A259@CPIEMAIL-EVS1.CPIQPC.NET> I came across an article about an add-in for Filemaker Pro (called FileMaker Go) that will allow you to develop an application in Filemaker on your Mac or PC, then port that application to an iOS application ready to run on your iPhone and/or iPad. Pretty slick and I've even seen a mobile work order dispatch application developed using the set-up. An electrician is using it to send out work orders to his crews. He put iPads in each of his trucks. Has anyone come across one that would port an Access app to either iOS, Android, or maybe even Windows Mobile??? Rusty Hammond ********************************************************************** WARNING: All e-mail sent to and from this address will be received, scanned or otherwise recorded by the CPI Qualified Plan Consultants, Inc. corporate e-mail system and is subject to archival, monitoring or review by, and/or disclosure to, someone other than the recipient. ********************************************************************** From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Mon Oct 24 10:50:01 2011 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 08:50:01 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] http://projecteuler.net/ Message-ID: <127FD82F51494E1D90034BCDA1AB8FFF@HAL9007> If you've got some time on your hands - couldn't get Noah to go to bed last night - he wanted to solve 'just one more'. Now we're going to have a contest to see who can solve a problem with the least number of lines of code. I think I have a distinct advantage using VBA to his C++ or LUA R _____ From: Noah Sutton-Smolin [mailto:heedleblambeedle at gmail.com] Sent: Monday, October 24, 2011 7:41 AM To: Rocky Smolin Subject: http://projecteuler.net/ http://projecteuler.net/ _______________________________________________ dba-OT mailing list dba-OT at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-ot Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From charlotte.foust at gmail.com Mon Oct 24 10:58:23 2011 From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust) Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 08:58:23 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Any Access add-ins to put app on mobile devices? In-Reply-To: <49A286ABF515E94A8505CD14DEB721701744A259@CPIEMAIL-EVS1.CPIQPC.NET> References: <49A286ABF515E94A8505CD14DEB721701744A259@CPIEMAIL-EVS1.CPIQPC.NET> Message-ID: Nope, although Cellica Database will run on both Windows and Android and allows you to connect to an Access database. It's a pain to create the forms though because it automatically scales the form to the screen of your phone Charlotte Foust On Mon, Oct 24, 2011 at 8:17 AM, Rusty Hammond wrote: > I came across an article about an add-in for Filemaker Pro (called > FileMaker Go) that will allow you to develop an application in Filemaker > on your Mac or PC, then port that application to an iOS application > ready to run on your iPhone and/or iPad. Pretty slick and I've even > seen a mobile work order dispatch application developed using the > set-up. An electrician is using it to send out work orders to his > crews. He put iPads in each of his trucks. > > Has anyone come across one that would port an Access app to either iOS, > Android, or maybe even Windows Mobile??? > > > Rusty Hammond > > > > ********************************************************************** > WARNING: All e-mail sent to and from this address will be received, > scanned or otherwise recorded by the CPI Qualified Plan Consultants, Inc. > corporate e-mail system and is subject to archival, monitoring or review > by, and/or disclosure to, someone other than the recipient. > ********************************************************************** > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > From davidmcafee at gmail.com Mon Oct 24 12:14:35 2011 From: davidmcafee at gmail.com (David McAfee) Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 10:14:35 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Any Access add-ins to put app on mobile devices? In-Reply-To: References: <49A286ABF515E94A8505CD14DEB721701744A259@CPIEMAIL-EVS1.CPIQPC.NET> Message-ID: Up through Windows Mobile 2003 (Maybe even in WM5, I can't remember at the moment) you could have CDB (Compact version of mdb) on devices. I was very easy to bring data back and forth between device and PC. cdb's were deprecated by MS when they brought out SDFs (SQLCE). You could still connect with ADO and copy stuff between the SDF and mdbs or SQL Server. SQL CE was supported by WM5/6. MS dropped support for this when they released WM7. I dropped support for MS after that :P I'm currently learning Android Development and plan to start learning Apple programming next semester. At least they both share SQLLite. On Mon, Oct 24, 2011 at 8:58 AM, Charlotte Foust wrote: > Nope, although Cellica Database will run on both Windows and Android and > allows you to connect to an Access database. It's a pain to create the > forms though because it automatically scales the form to the screen of your > phone > > Charlotte Foust > > On Mon, Oct 24, 2011 at 8:17 AM, Rusty Hammond >wrote: > > > I came across an article about an add-in for Filemaker Pro (called > > FileMaker Go) that will allow you to develop an application in Filemaker > > on your Mac or PC, then port that application to an iOS application > > ready to run on your iPhone and/or iPad. Pretty slick and I've even > > seen a mobile work order dispatch application developed using the > > set-up. An electrician is using it to send out work orders to his > > crews. He put iPads in each of his trucks. > > > > Has anyone come across one that would port an Access app to either iOS, > > Android, or maybe even Windows Mobile??? > > > > > > Rusty Hammond > > > > > > > > ********************************************************************** > > WARNING: All e-mail sent to and from this address will be received, > > scanned or otherwise recorded by the CPI Qualified Plan Consultants, Inc. > > corporate e-mail system and is subject to archival, monitoring or review > > by, and/or disclosure to, someone other than the recipient. > > ********************************************************************** > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > > > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From rusty.hammond at cpiqpc.com Mon Oct 24 12:30:12 2011 From: rusty.hammond at cpiqpc.com (Rusty Hammond) Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 12:30:12 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Any Access add-ins to put app on mobile devices? In-Reply-To: References: <49A286ABF515E94A8505CD14DEB721701744A259@CPIEMAIL-EVS1.CPIQPC.NET> Message-ID: <49A286ABF515E94A8505CD14DEB721701744A25D@CPIEMAIL-EVS1.CPIQPC.NET> The FileMaker Go app is able to tie back into a FileMaker server via a network and/or internet connection so it will sync as long as you have an internet connection and your firewall setup correctly. Looks to me like Microsoft is pushing more towards using Sharepoint for this kind of stuff. Using the browser in the mobile device. That's not a bad idea, that way there's no app to install and maintain for each mobile os. I gotta find me some more hours in the day to learn all of this stuff. Rusty -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of David McAfee Sent: Monday, October 24, 2011 12:15 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Any Access add-ins to put app on mobile devices? Up through Windows Mobile 2003 (Maybe even in WM5, I can't remember at the moment) you could have CDB (Compact version of mdb) on devices. I was very easy to bring data back and forth between device and PC. cdb's were deprecated by MS when they brought out SDFs (SQLCE). You could still connect with ADO and copy stuff between the SDF and mdbs or SQL Server. SQL CE was supported by WM5/6. MS dropped support for this when they released WM7. I dropped support for MS after that :P I'm currently learning Android Development and plan to start learning Apple programming next semester. At least they both share SQLLite. On Mon, Oct 24, 2011 at 8:58 AM, Charlotte Foust wrote: > Nope, although Cellica Database will run on both Windows and Android > and allows you to connect to an Access database. It's a pain to > create the forms though because it automatically scales the form to > the screen of your phone > > Charlotte Foust > > On Mon, Oct 24, 2011 at 8:17 AM, Rusty Hammond > >wrote: > > > I came across an article about an add-in for Filemaker Pro (called > > FileMaker Go) that will allow you to develop an application in > > Filemaker on your Mac or PC, then port that application to an iOS > > application ready to run on your iPhone and/or iPad. Pretty slick > > and I've even seen a mobile work order dispatch application > > developed using the set-up. An electrician is using it to send out > > work orders to his crews. He put iPads in each of his trucks. > > > > Has anyone come across one that would port an Access app to either > > iOS, Android, or maybe even Windows Mobile??? > > > > > > Rusty Hammond > > > > > > > > ******************************************************************** > > ** > > WARNING: All e-mail sent to and from this address will be received, > > scanned or otherwise recorded by the CPI Qualified Plan Consultants, Inc. > > corporate e-mail system and is subject to archival, monitoring or > > review by, and/or disclosure to, someone other than the recipient. > > ******************************************************************** > > ** > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > > > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com ********************************************************************** WARNING: All e-mail sent to and from this address will be received, scanned or otherwise recorded by the CPI Qualified Plan Consultants, Inc. corporate e-mail system and is subject to archival, monitoring or review by, and/or disclosure to, someone other than the recipient. ********************************************************************** From vbacreations at gmail.com Mon Oct 24 13:23:39 2011 From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson (VBACreations.Com)) Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 14:23:39 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] You cannot record your changes because... Message-ID: <003301cc927a$157ada60$40708f20$@gmail.com> I have a form with a data sheet subform. On the current event of the subform, the values from some of the fields in the data sheet subform are put into the unbound controls on the parent form. This was working fine now all of a sudden the form won't open, I get a message "You cannot record your changes because a value you entered violates the settings defined for this table or list (for example, a value is less than the minimum or greater than the maximum). Correct the error and try again. Now, as far as I know I have no validation settings of this kind, and the table which the subform is based on is a linked table (Excel range). Does someone have some suggestions for what is possibly causing this? From vbacreations at gmail.com Mon Oct 24 13:29:54 2011 From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson (VBACreations.Com)) Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 14:29:54 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] You cannot record your changes because... Message-ID: <003401cc927a$ed8fa020$c8aee060$@gmail.com> The worst past of this is that I get the same error just testing a field on the subform: Me.Control("Postal_Code").value I suspect that the underlying record has a value of #NUM after a field failed to import all data correctly. So I guess maybe if I destroy all the #NUM values in the data the subform which is based on that table might stop failing... I will try and report back. -----Original Message----- From: William Benson (VBACreations.Com) [mailto:vbacreations at gmail.com] Sent: Monday, October 24, 2011 2:24 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: You cannot record your changes because... I have a form with a data sheet subform. On the current event of the subform, the values from some of the fields in the data sheet subform are put into the unbound controls on the parent form. This was working fine now all of a sudden the form won't open, I get a message "You cannot record your changes because a value you entered violates the settings defined for this table or list (for example, a value is less than the minimum or greater than the maximum). Correct the error and try again. Now, as far as I know I have no validation settings of this kind, and the table which the subform is based on is a linked table (Excel range). Does someone have some suggestions for what is possibly causing this? From vbacreations at gmail.com Mon Oct 24 13:31:50 2011 From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson (VBACreations.Com)) Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 14:31:50 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] You cannot record your changes because... Message-ID: <003501cc927b$359658a0$a0c309e0$@gmail.com> Oh, did I say that was the worst part ...? lol. The underlying table is a linked excel file so I don't think there is anything I can do about it?!! -----Original Message----- From: William Benson (VBACreations.Com) [mailto:vbacreations at gmail.com] Sent: Monday, October 24, 2011 2:30 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: RE: You cannot record your changes because... The worst past of this is that I get the same error just testing a field on the subform: Me.Control("Postal_Code").value I suspect that the underlying record has a value of #NUM after a field failed to import all data correctly. So I guess maybe if I destroy all the #NUM values in the data the subform which is based on that table might stop failing... I will try and report back. -----Original Message----- From: William Benson (VBACreations.Com) [mailto:vbacreations at gmail.com] Sent: Monday, October 24, 2011 2:24 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: You cannot record your changes because... I have a form with a data sheet subform. On the current event of the subform, the values from some of the fields in the data sheet subform are put into the unbound controls on the parent form. This was working fine now all of a sudden the form won't open, I get a message "You cannot record your changes because a value you entered violates the settings defined for this table or list (for example, a value is less than the minimum or greater than the maximum). Correct the error and try again. Now, as far as I know I have no validation settings of this kind, and the table which the subform is based on is a linked table (Excel range). Does someone have some suggestions for what is possibly causing this? From marksimms at verizon.net Mon Oct 24 15:25:24 2011 From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms) Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 16:25:24 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] You cannot record your changes because... In-Reply-To: <003501cc927b$359658a0$a0c309e0$@gmail.com> References: <003501cc927b$359658a0$a0c309e0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <003d01cc928b$0fdc0a50$2f941ef0$@net> As you are aware, Excel employs the Variant data structure.....which allows any cell to be a long, string, date, double, boolean, etc. Converting your columns to strings may be a crude workaround, but of course, this creates other issues as well. > Oh, did I say that was the worst part ...? lol. The underlying table is > a linked excel file so I don't think there is anything I can do about it?!! From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au Mon Oct 24 17:45:12 2011 From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins) Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 22:45:12 +0000 Subject: [AccessD] Any Access add-ins to put app on mobile devices? In-Reply-To: <49A286ABF515E94A8505CD14DEB721701744A25D@CPIEMAIL-EVS1.CPIQPC.NET> References: <49A286ABF515E94A8505CD14DEB721701744A259@CPIEMAIL-EVS1.CPIQPC.NET> <49A286ABF515E94A8505CD14DEB721701744A25D@CPIEMAIL-EVS1.CPIQPC.NET> Message-ID: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55BCFFB@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com> I have set up Office 365 for my wife's small business operation - a team of about 8 people working in 2 locations plus from home and on the road. They had the usual system of craziness, multiple versions of spreadsheets, word docs everywhere - terrible version control - stuff on USB sticks - multiple copies of the database - blah blah, everyone with their own gmail or yahoo emails - just a big mess. Frankly Office 365 has been bloody brilliant. I especially love the advantage of having an Outlook exchange server via the web plus all the sharepoint stuff online. All for a small monthly fee of about $7 per user. Having the ability to organise meetings and share calendars has been great for her team. All their common database info (as Sharepoint lists now) is live and online and if one of them updates info it is immediately available to all. Best of all they can access it thru any web brower. Might not suit everyone but it has been great as the girls don't need to purchase any new software or equipment to make this work, although having Office 2010 installed on your PC raises the game to a whole new level again. They also love the Lync IM tool, which allows desktop sharing for meetings etc, plus chat and IM. Works really well. So far darn happy with the set up. Maybe not for everyone, but for her it has been great. She has neither the money, time or experience to host a dedicated server for this sort of thing so it has provided her with some real and tangible benefits. Heh, I sound like an advert I know, but credit where it is due - MS have done a good job on this. For people like Monica and her set up this sort thing is just ideal and she gets a lot of bang for her buck and it is easy for the users to understand and use. Cheers Darryl. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rusty Hammond Sent: Tuesday, 25 October 2011 4:30 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Any Access add-ins to put app on mobile devices? The FileMaker Go app is able to tie back into a FileMaker server via a network and/or internet connection so it will sync as long as you have an internet connection and your firewall setup correctly. Looks to me like Microsoft is pushing more towards using Sharepoint for this kind of stuff. Using the browser in the mobile device. That's not a bad idea, that way there's no app to install and maintain for each mobile os. I gotta find me some more hours in the day to learn all of this stuff. Rusty -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of David McAfee Sent: Monday, October 24, 2011 12:15 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Any Access add-ins to put app on mobile devices? Up through Windows Mobile 2003 (Maybe even in WM5, I can't remember at the moment) you could have CDB (Compact version of mdb) on devices. I was very easy to bring data back and forth between device and PC. cdb's were deprecated by MS when they brought out SDFs (SQLCE). You could still connect with ADO and copy stuff between the SDF and mdbs or SQL Server. SQL CE was supported by WM5/6. MS dropped support for this when they released WM7. I dropped support for MS after that :P I'm currently learning Android Development and plan to start learning Apple programming next semester. At least they both share SQLLite. On Mon, Oct 24, 2011 at 8:58 AM, Charlotte Foust wrote: > Nope, although Cellica Database will run on both Windows and Android > and allows you to connect to an Access database. It's a pain to > create the forms though because it automatically scales the form to > the screen of your phone > > Charlotte Foust > > On Mon, Oct 24, 2011 at 8:17 AM, Rusty Hammond > >wrote: > > > I came across an article about an add-in for Filemaker Pro (called > > FileMaker Go) that will allow you to develop an application in > > Filemaker on your Mac or PC, then port that application to an iOS > > application ready to run on your iPhone and/or iPad. Pretty slick > > and I've even seen a mobile work order dispatch application > > developed using the set-up. An electrician is using it to send out > > work orders to his crews. He put iPads in each of his trucks. > > > > Has anyone come across one that would port an Access app to either > > iOS, Android, or maybe even Windows Mobile??? > > > > > > Rusty Hammond > > > > > > > > ******************************************************************** > > ** > > WARNING: All e-mail sent to and from this address will be received, > > scanned or otherwise recorded by the CPI Qualified Plan Consultants, Inc. > > corporate e-mail system and is subject to archival, monitoring or > > review by, and/or disclosure to, someone other than the recipient. > > ******************************************************************** > > ** > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > > > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com ********************************************************************** WARNING: All e-mail sent to and from this address will be received, scanned or otherwise recorded by the CPI Qualified Plan Consultants, Inc. corporate e-mail system and is subject to archival, monitoring or review by, and/or disclosure to, someone other than the recipient. ********************************************************************** -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From vbacreations at gmail.com Mon Oct 24 17:57:56 2011 From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson) Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 18:57:56 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] You cannot record your changes because... In-Reply-To: <003d01cc928b$0fdc0a50$2f941ef0$@net> References: <003501cc927b$359658a0$a0c309e0$@gmail.com> <003d01cc928b$0fdc0a50$2f941ef0$@net> Message-ID: Fortunately I only need to set a couple text fields so I just tested iserror([fieldname]) as a workaround and used value property of the control holding the data only if that test was false. Thanks Mark. On Oct 24, 2011 4:27 PM, "Mark Simms" wrote: > As you are aware, Excel employs the Variant data structure.....which allows > any cell to be a long, string, date, double, boolean, etc. Converting your > columns to strings may be a crude workaround, but of course, this creates > other issues as well. > > > > Oh, did I say that was the worst part ...? lol. The underlying table is > > a linked excel file so I don't think there is anything I can do about > it?!! > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Mon Oct 24 21:32:47 2011 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 22:32:47 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] DRAM errors and ECC Message-ID: <4EA61FCF.10203@colbyconsulting.com> http://www.cs.toronto.edu/~bianca/papers/sigmetrics09.pdf -- John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it From kvanhuss at airrsystem.com Mon Oct 24 22:13:16 2011 From: kvanhuss at airrsystem.com (Kenneth W Van Huss) Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 22:13:16 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Comparing times in different time zones Message-ID: I have an unmet challenge relating to comparing times in different time zones. User on the other side of the world, literally enters time of an event. When the user saves the record in the database that time is captured, though the time is the server time, located in US central time zone. Using UTC offset I have "normalized" the times to UTC to compare against one another to ensure the record was entered within a certain amount of time. The challenge I see down the road is Day Light Savings time and the impact that will have on the offset. Anyone experience this before? Thanks! Ken From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au Mon Oct 24 22:27:19 2011 From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins) Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 03:27:19 +0000 Subject: [AccessD] Comparing times in different time zones In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55BEA60@SINPRD0402MB102.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com> Bloody hell Ken, That is going to be a struggle to get right given all the Local time zones you are going to need to deal with. Just in Oz alone it is a mess with some states on Daylight saving time and other states ignore it. This leads to stupid situations where you will have two cities in the same zone being 1 hour apart. I am sure Australia doesn't have a monopoly on this sort of weirdness. I deal a lot with Asia and the US and Africa these days so I use this website <> to keep track of different times, maybe it can help you out? I guess it depends on where you are grabbing the offset from and if it is automatically updated or not? -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kenneth W Van Huss Sent: Tuesday, 25 October 2011 2:13 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: [AccessD] Comparing times in different time zones I have an unmet challenge relating to comparing times in different time zones. User on the other side of the world, literally enters time of an event. When the user saves the record in the database that time is captured, though the time is the server time, located in US central time zone. Using UTC offset I have "normalized" the times to UTC to compare against one another to ensure the record was entered within a certain amount of time. The challenge I see down the road is Day Light Savings time and the impact that will have on the offset. Anyone experience this before? Thanks! Ken -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Mon Oct 24 23:13:26 2011 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 14:13:26 +1000 Subject: [AccessD] Comparing times in different time zones In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4EA63766.11598.183CF3CF@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> You need to store all the times as FileTime or Unix Time. Storing as FileTime lets you use the API calls FileTimeToSystemTime SystemTimeToTzSpecificLocalTime SystemTimeToFileTime to get local times as required. If you want to use UnixTime instead, then UnixTime = FileTime/10000000 - 11644473600 -- Stuart On 24 Oct 2011 at 22:13, Kenneth W Van Huss wrote: > I have an unmet challenge relating to comparing times in different > time zones. User on the other side of the world, literally enters > time of an event. When the user saves the record in the database that > time is captured, though the time is the server time, located in US > central time zone. Using UTC offset I have "normalized" the times to > UTC to compare against one another to ensure the record was entered > within a certain amount of time. The challenge I see down the road is > Day Light Savings time and the impact that will have on the offset. > Anyone experience this before? > > > > Thanks! > > Ken > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From kvanhuss at airrsystem.com Mon Oct 24 23:25:34 2011 From: kvanhuss at airrsystem.com (Kenneth Van Huss) Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 04:25:34 +0000 Subject: [AccessD] Comparing times in different time zones In-Reply-To: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55BEA60@SINPRD0402MB102.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com> References: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55BEA60@SINPRD0402MB102.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com> Message-ID: <997259757-1319516763-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-236620887-@b2.c7.bise6.blackberry> If captain Kirk could have a univerdal "stardate" surely we have one universal time that could be used here on our planet. Sent on the Sprint? 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Your cooperation is appreciated.==================================================================In consideration of the environment ? please do not print this emailunless absolutely necessary. -----Original Message----- From: Darryl Collins Sender: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.comDate: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 03:27:19 To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Comparing times in different time zones Bloody hell Ken, That is going to be a struggle to get right given all the Local time zones you are going to need to deal with. Just in Oz alone it is a mess with some states on Daylight saving time and other states ignore it. This leads to stupid situations where you will have two cities in the same zone being 1 hour apart. I am sure Australia doesn't have a monopoly on this sort of weirdness. I deal a lot with Asia and the US and Africa these days so I use this website <> to keep track of different times, maybe it can help you out? I guess it depends on where you are grabbing the offset from and if it is automatically updated or not? -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kenneth W Van Huss Sent: Tuesday, 25 October 2011 2:13 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: [AccessD] Comparing times in different time zones I have an unmet challenge relating to comparing times in different time zones. User on the other side of the world, literally enters time of an event. When the user saves the record in the database that time is captured, though the time is the server time, located in US central time zone. Using UTC offset I have "normalized" the times to UTC to compare against one another to ensure the record was entered within a certain amount of time. The challenge I see down the road is Day Light Savings time and the impact that will have on the offset. Anyone experience this before? Thanks! Ken -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From kvanhuss at airrsystem.com Mon Oct 24 23:37:23 2011 From: kvanhuss at airrsystem.com (Kenneth W Van Huss) Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 23:37:23 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Comparing times in different time zones In-Reply-To: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55BEA60@SINPRD0402MB102.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com> References: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55BEA60@SINPRD0402MB102.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com> Message-ID: I found a table, but don't recall where, that has the offset for all the countries with which I am currently dealing. I added a field to the location table that includes the UTC Offset. So for Iraq, I take the local time and convert it to UTC/GMT using the offset in the location table. I take the server time, US Central, and convert it to UTC/GMT. Now I can compare the time of the event against the time it was entered into the database. So right now as we write, the comparison is fine. But it will become a maintenance nightmare on an ongoing basis, I think because these offsets change depending on time of year and Daylight Savings Time. Keeping in synch will be a real challenge. What happens for example if an event occurs the morning of transition to or from DST in a time zone that just changed, and we need to compare it against server time 8 time zones away, which has not yet switched to DST. I guess I can't see the forest for the trees right now and need some clarity. Any ideas are greatly appreciated. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darryl Collins Sent: Monday, October 24, 2011 10:27 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Comparing times in different time zones Bloody hell Ken, That is going to be a struggle to get right given all the Local time zones you are going to need to deal with. Just in Oz alone it is a mess with some states on Daylight saving time and other states ignore it. This leads to stupid situations where you will have two cities in the same zone being 1 hour apart. I am sure Australia doesn't have a monopoly on this sort of weirdness. I deal a lot with Asia and the US and Africa these days so I use this website <> to keep track of different times, maybe it can help you out? I guess it depends on where you are grabbing the offset from and if it is automatically updated or not? -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kenneth W Van Huss Sent: Tuesday, 25 October 2011 2:13 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: [AccessD] Comparing times in different time zones I have an unmet challenge relating to comparing times in different time zones. User on the other side of the world, literally enters time of an event. When the user saves the record in the database that time is captured, though the time is the server time, located in US central time zone. Using UTC offset I have "normalized" the times to UTC to compare against one another to ensure the record was entered within a certain amount of time. The challenge I see down the road is Day Light Savings time and the impact that will have on the offset. Anyone experience this before? Thanks! Ken -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From kvanhuss at airrsystem.com Mon Oct 24 23:39:15 2011 From: kvanhuss at airrsystem.com (Kenneth W Van Huss) Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 23:39:15 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Comparing times in different time zones In-Reply-To: <4EA63766.11598.183CF3CF@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: <4EA63766.11598.183CF3CF@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: Stuart, Thanks. That is what I need. I will research and see how to apply. Ken -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan Sent: Monday, October 24, 2011 11:13 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Comparing times in different time zones You need to store all the times as FileTime or Unix Time. Storing as FileTime lets you use the API calls FileTimeToSystemTime SystemTimeToTzSpecificLocalTime SystemTimeToFileTime to get local times as required. If you want to use UnixTime instead, then UnixTime = FileTime/10000000 - 11644473600 -- Stuart On 24 Oct 2011 at 22:13, Kenneth W Van Huss wrote: > I have an unmet challenge relating to comparing times in different > time zones. User on the other side of the world, literally enters > time of an event. When the user saves the record in the database that > time is captured, though the time is the server time, located in US > central time zone. Using UTC offset I have "normalized" the times to > UTC to compare against one another to ensure the record was entered > within a certain amount of time. The challenge I see down the road is > Day Light Savings time and the impact that will have on the offset. > Anyone experience this before? > > > > Thanks! > > Ken > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Mon Oct 24 23:41:38 2011 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 14:41:38 +1000 Subject: [AccessD] Comparing times in different time zones In-Reply-To: <997259757-1319516763-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-236620887-@b2.c7.bise6.blackberry> Message-ID: <4EA63E02.5085.8111F@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> We have, it's called UTC aka Co-ordinated Universal Time -- Stuart On 25 Oct 2011 at 4:25, Kenneth Van Huss wrote: > If captain Kirk could have a univerdal "stardate" surely we have one > universal time that could be used here on our planet. > From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Mon Oct 24 23:44:51 2011 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 14:44:51 +1000 Subject: [AccessD] Comparing times in different time zones In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <4EA63EC3.27953.B01C4@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> How are these times being entered into the database? Can't you convert the local time to UTC before saving? The computer where the data is being entered always knows its current offset from UTC. -- Stuart On 24 Oct 2011 at 23:37, Kenneth W Van Huss wrote: > I found a table, but don't recall where, that has the offset for all > the countries with which I am currently dealing. I added a field to > the location table that includes the UTC Offset. So for Iraq, I take > the local time and convert it to UTC/GMT using the offset in the > location table. I take the server time, US Central, and convert it to > UTC/GMT. Now I can compare the time of the event against the time it > was entered into the database. So right now as we write, the > comparison is fine. > > But it will become a maintenance nightmare on an ongoing basis, I > think because these offsets change depending on time of year and > Daylight Savings Time. Keeping in synch will be a real challenge. > What happens for example if an event occurs the morning of transition > to or from DST in a time zone that just changed, and we need to > compare it against server time 8 time zones away, which has not yet > switched to DST. > > I guess I can't see the forest for the trees right now and need some > clarity. Any ideas are greatly appreciated. > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darryl > Collins Sent: Monday, October 24, 2011 10:27 PM To: Access Developers > discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Comparing times > in different time zones > > Bloody hell Ken, > > That is going to be a struggle to get right given all the Local time > zones you are going to need to deal with. Just in Oz alone it is a > mess with some states on Daylight saving time and other states ignore > it. This leads to stupid situations where you will have two cities in > the same zone being 1 hour apart. > > I am sure Australia doesn't have a monopoly on this sort of weirdness. > > I deal a lot with Asia and the US and Africa these days so I use this > website <> to keep track of > different times, maybe it can help you out? > > I guess it depends on where you are grabbing the offset from and if it > is automatically updated or not? > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kenneth W > Van Huss Sent: Tuesday, 25 October 2011 2:13 PM To: Access Developers > discussion and problem solving Subject: [AccessD] Comparing times in > different time zones > > I have an unmet challenge relating to comparing times in different > time zones. User on the other side of the world, literally enters > time of an event. When the user saves the record in the database that > time is captured, though the time is the server time, located in US > central time zone. Using UTC offset I have "normalized" the times to > UTC to compare against one another to ensure the record was entered > within a certain amount of time. The challenge I see down the road is > Day Light Savings time and the impact that will have on the offset. > Anyone experience this before? > > > > Thanks! > > Ken > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From Gustav at cactus.dk Tue Oct 25 02:56:20 2011 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 09:56:20 +0200 Subject: [AccessD] Comparing times in different time zones Message-ID: Hi Ken There are two methods. One is to convert any time recorded to UTC before storing it. Then everything is "normalised", and times can be directly compared. The other is to record the time as local time including (most likely in a separate field) the current offset (including a DST value) between local time and UTC. Then local time can be directly compared, and time can easily be converted to compare with time of UTC or other time zones. Some of the latest database engines can store date/time including an offset from UTC in a single field. /gustav >>> kvanhuss at airrsystem.com 25-10-2011 05:13 >>> I have an unmet challenge relating to comparing times in different time zones. User on the other side of the world, literally enters time of an event. When the user saves the record in the database that time is captured, though the time is the server time, located in US central time zone. Using UTC offset I have "normalized" the times to UTC to compare against one another to ensure the record was entered within a certain amount of time. The challenge I see down the road is Day Light Savings time and the impact that will have on the offset. Anyone experience this before? Thanks! Ken From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Tue Oct 25 06:07:31 2011 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 07:07:31 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Syncing Virtual Machines Message-ID: <4EA69873.7000104@colbyconsulting.com> I have a virtual machine server (Colby-VM) and last weekend I rebuilt that machine - new motherboard / memory in preparation for a faster CPU etc. I store all my stuff on a RAID array on a dedicated controller, and which survives nicely across upgrades so I got lazy and did not backup. (almost) Everything that could go wrong did and by the end of the experience I was sweating bullets about whether I was going to find one of my critical VMs. I did get all the VMs back, but this brought me to the question of how the pros migrate machines from server to server. My SQL Server (Azul) has Windows 2008 with Hyper-V installed and I am wondering how to cause a VM to be kept synced on two servers so that it can just fire up and go when the usual VM server has to be brought down. Hyper-V has an "export / import" but that takes a loooong time to perform. Is anyone out there involved in this stuff and do you have any answers to this problem? I would love to be able to just shut the machine down on one server and bring it up on the other. My impression is that it is possible to migrate without even shutting down the VM. How is this magic done? -- John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it From rusty.hammond at cpiqpc.com Tue Oct 25 09:05:13 2011 From: rusty.hammond at cpiqpc.com (Rusty Hammond) Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 09:05:13 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Syncing Virtual Machines In-Reply-To: <4EA69873.7000104@colbyconsulting.com> References: <4EA69873.7000104@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <49A286ABF515E94A8505CD14DEB721701744A265@CPIEMAIL-EVS1.CPIQPC.NET> I don't know the details, but in our environment we have two servers running off the same SAN in a failover cluster. They have to be configured as active and failover and may require an enterprise version of SQL? It also allows us to do upgrades to each machine while the sql instance keeps on running. I found this link for more info: http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms189134.aspx HTH Rusty -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2011 6:08 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving; VBA; Sqlserver-Dba Subject: [AccessD] Syncing Virtual Machines I have a virtual machine server (Colby-VM) and last weekend I rebuilt that machine - new motherboard / memory in preparation for a faster CPU etc. I store all my stuff on a RAID array on a dedicated controller, and which survives nicely across upgrades so I got lazy and did not backup. (almost) Everything that could go wrong did and by the end of the experience I was sweating bullets about whether I was going to find one of my critical VMs. I did get all the VMs back, but this brought me to the question of how the pros migrate machines from server to server. My SQL Server (Azul) has Windows 2008 with Hyper-V installed and I am wondering how to cause a VM to be kept synced on two servers so that it can just fire up and go when the usual VM server has to be brought down. Hyper-V has an "export / import" but that takes a loooong time to perform. Is anyone out there involved in this stuff and do you have any answers to this problem? I would love to be able to just shut the machine down on one server and bring it up on the other. My impression is that it is possible to migrate without even shutting down the VM. How is this magic done? -- John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com ********************************************************************** WARNING: All e-mail sent to and from this address will be received, scanned or otherwise recorded by the CPI Qualified Plan Consultants, Inc. corporate e-mail system and is subject to archival, monitoring or review by, and/or disclosure to, someone other than the recipient. ********************************************************************** From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Tue Oct 25 10:00:53 2011 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 11:00:53 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] [dba-SQLServer] Syncing Virtual Machines In-Reply-To: <4EA6BC19.6080207@colbyconsulting.com> References: <4EA69873.7000104@colbyconsulting.com> <-3381981045989815633@unknownmsgid> <4EA6BC19.6080207@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <4EA6CF25.1030809@colbyconsulting.com> I have to say that Microsoft's VM system is just unfriendly. I understand that this stuff is complicated but that is all the more reason for Microsoft to spend the time to make it easier. 1) I have no idea the "why" behind this stuff but you cannot simply select the xml file and "mount" a VM. 2) If you "export" a vm then it can be imported. 3) AFAICT you cannot export a vm while it is running. The export menu item simply isn't there. 4) The export fails to a share on another machine on the directory. 5) The accepted fix is to add "machine" to the objects that the share allows and then select the source machine. 6) "Machine" is not a selection (on my machine) so I can't do that. 7) Even for people who are able to and try that, it only works some of the time. 8) When it fails it gives a generic "means nothing except it didn't work" error message. 9) There is no "backup", you have to "register" Hyper-V with the backup service / role. 10) Doing that requires a somewhat extensive manual modification to the registry. 11) Even if you can, the backup process is almost impossible to make happen unless you are backing up to identical machines. Two hours later I am no closer to getting a real automated backup happening of my virtual machines. I am now copying the files themselves. As I have always done in the past, because I ran into this same brick wall every time. :( 12) Having done that I cannot simply mount it on the machine I am copying it to. I have to manually create the machine on that destination machine and start it. Can you say "Frankenstein monster"? VMS are just way cool technology. Until you have to maintain them. John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it >>> On Tue, Oct 25, 2011 at 7:07 AM, jwcolbywrote: >>> >>>> I have a virtual machine server (Colby-VM) and last weekend I rebuilt that >>>> machine - new motherboard / memory in preparation for a faster CPU etc. I >>>> store all my stuff on a RAID array on a dedicated controller, and which >>>> survives nicely across upgrades so I got lazy and did not backup. (almost) >>>> Everything that could go wrong did and by the end of the experience I was >>>> sweating bullets about whether I was going to find one of my critical VMs. >>>> >>>> From dbdoug at gmail.com Tue Oct 25 11:14:34 2011 From: dbdoug at gmail.com (Doug Steele) Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 09:14:34 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Problem with .Net and Access Message-ID: Hello All: I have two very similar .Net 4.0 websites which use Access back ends. The first site runs on a Windows 7 server with IIS7 and has no problem accessing the Access back end in a multi user environment. The second site runs OK on my development machine on Win 7 and IIS7. I am trying to get the second site to run on the client's Windows XP server with IIS5.1. It runs perfectly well as long as it has exclusive access to the back end db, but as soon as the back end db is opened by another user, I get a "Could not use ''; file already in use" message. The connection strings in the two sites are identical. Does anyone have any suggestions? Thanks, Doug From Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com Tue Oct 25 11:16:46 2011 From: Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com (Kaup, Chester) Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 11:16:46 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Data Type Mismatch in Criteria Expression Message-ID: <0B2BF8524B73A248A2F1B81BA751ED3C1988A42280@houex1.kindermorgan.com> The following criteria generates the data type mismatch in criteria expression error. The field PID is a text field. What am I missing? Expr1: IIf(Right([ConfigMaster].[PID],1)="S" Or Right([ConfigMaster].[PID],1)="L", Right([ConfigMaster].[PID],Len([ConfigMaster].[PID]-4)),2) The following works correctly Expr1: IIf(Right([ConfigMaster].[PID],1)="S" Or Right([ConfigMaster].[PID],1)="L",1,2) Chester Kaup Engineering Technician Kinder Morgan CO2 Company, LLP Office (432) 688-3797 FAX (432) 688-3799 ? No trees were killed in the sending of this message. However a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced. From Gustav at cactus.dk Tue Oct 25 11:24:25 2011 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 18:24:25 +0200 Subject: [AccessD] Data Type Mismatch in Criteria Expression Message-ID: Hi Chester It should read: .. Len([ConfigMaster].[PID])-4 /gustav >>> Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com 25-10-2011 18:16:46 >>> The following criteria generates the data type mismatch in criteria expression error. The field PID is a text field. What am I missing? Expr1: IIf(Right([ConfigMaster].[PID],1)="S" Or Right([ConfigMaster].[PID],1)="L", Right([ConfigMaster].[PID],Len([ConfigMaster].[PID]-4)),2) The following works correctly Expr1: IIf(Right([ConfigMaster].[PID],1)="S" Or Right([ConfigMaster].[PID],1)="L",1,2) Chester Kaup Engineering Technician Kinder Morgan CO2 Company, LLP Office (432) 688-3797 FAX (432) 688-3799 No trees were killed in the sending of this message. However a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced. From jm.hwsn at gmail.com Tue Oct 25 11:26:09 2011 From: jm.hwsn at gmail.com (jm.hwsn) Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 11:26:09 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Data Type Mismatch in Criteria Expression In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4ea6e323.2015640a.606e.ffff90fe@mx.google.com> I thought it should read: ... Len([ConfigMaster].[PID],-4) -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2011 11:24 AM To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [AccessD] Data Type Mismatch in Criteria Expression Hi Chester It should read: .. Len([ConfigMaster].[PID])-4 /gustav >>> Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com 25-10-2011 18:16:46 >>> The following criteria generates the data type mismatch in criteria expression error. The field PID is a text field. What am I missing? Expr1: IIf(Right([ConfigMaster].[PID],1)="S" Or Right([ConfigMaster].[PID],1)="L", Right([ConfigMaster].[PID],Len([ConfigMaster].[PID]-4)),2) The following works correctly Expr1: IIf(Right([ConfigMaster].[PID],1)="S" Or Right([ConfigMaster].[PID],1)="L",1,2) Chester Kaup Engineering Technician Kinder Morgan CO2 Company, LLP Office (432) 688-3797 FAX (432) 688-3799 No trees were killed in the sending of this message. However a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced. -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com Tue Oct 25 11:28:39 2011 From: Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com (Kaup, Chester) Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 11:28:39 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Data Type Mismatch in Criteria Expression In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0B2BF8524B73A248A2F1B81BA751ED3C1988A4228C@houex1.kindermorgan.com> Thanks! Been looking at it to long. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2011 11:24 AM To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [AccessD] Data Type Mismatch in Criteria Expression Hi Chester It should read: .. Len([ConfigMaster].[PID])-4 /gustav >>> Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com 25-10-2011 18:16:46 >>> The following criteria generates the data type mismatch in criteria expression error. The field PID is a text field. What am I missing? Expr1: IIf(Right([ConfigMaster].[PID],1)="S" Or Right([ConfigMaster].[PID],1)="L", Right([ConfigMaster].[PID],Len([ConfigMaster].[PID]-4)),2) The following works correctly Expr1: IIf(Right([ConfigMaster].[PID],1)="S" Or Right([ConfigMaster].[PID],1)="L",1,2) Chester Kaup Engineering Technician Kinder Morgan CO2 Company, LLP Office (432) 688-3797 FAX (432) 688-3799 No trees were killed in the sending of this message. However a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced. -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com Tue Oct 25 11:36:16 2011 From: Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com (Kaup, Chester) Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 11:36:16 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Data Type Mismatch in Criteria Expression In-Reply-To: <4ea6e323.2015640a.606e.ffff90fe@mx.google.com> References: <4ea6e323.2015640a.606e.ffff90fe@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <0B2BF8524B73A248A2F1B81BA751ED3C1988A42290@houex1.kindermorgan.com> Len([ConfigMaster].[PID])-4 is correct. The way I had it I was trying to subtract an integer from a text field. Just doesn't work. I wanted to change the result of the Len function. Thanks all. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jm.hwsn Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2011 11:26 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Data Type Mismatch in Criteria Expression I thought it should read: ... Len([ConfigMaster].[PID],-4) -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2011 11:24 AM To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [AccessD] Data Type Mismatch in Criteria Expression Hi Chester It should read: .. Len([ConfigMaster].[PID])-4 /gustav >>> Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com 25-10-2011 18:16:46 >>> The following criteria generates the data type mismatch in criteria expression error. The field PID is a text field. What am I missing? Expr1: IIf(Right([ConfigMaster].[PID],1)="S" Or Right([ConfigMaster].[PID],1)="L", Right([ConfigMaster].[PID],Len([ConfigMaster].[PID]-4)),2) The following works correctly Expr1: IIf(Right([ConfigMaster].[PID],1)="S" Or Right([ConfigMaster].[PID],1)="L",1,2) Chester Kaup Engineering Technician Kinder Morgan CO2 Company, LLP Office (432) 688-3797 FAX (432) 688-3799 No trees were killed in the sending of this message. However a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced. -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jm.hwsn at gmail.com Tue Oct 25 11:38:46 2011 From: jm.hwsn at gmail.com (jm.hwsn) Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 11:38:46 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Data Type Mismatch in Criteria Expression In-Reply-To: <0B2BF8524B73A248A2F1B81BA751ED3C1988A4228C@houex1.kindermorgan.com> References: <0B2BF8524B73A248A2F1B81BA751ED3C1988A4228C@houex1.kindermorgan.com> Message-ID: <4ea6e618.04bc650a.53e9.610a@mx.google.com> Boy, I feel stupid. In my previous email, I really blew it. Talk about the aha moment. Sorry for irritating the electrons... and waste of bandwidth. Jim -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kaup, Chester Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2011 11:29 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Data Type Mismatch in Criteria Expression Thanks! Been looking at it to long. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2011 11:24 AM To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [AccessD] Data Type Mismatch in Criteria Expression Hi Chester It should read: .. Len([ConfigMaster].[PID])-4 /gustav >>> Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com 25-10-2011 18:16:46 >>> The following criteria generates the data type mismatch in criteria expression error. The field PID is a text field. What am I missing? Expr1: IIf(Right([ConfigMaster].[PID],1)="S" Or Right([ConfigMaster].[PID],1)="L", Right([ConfigMaster].[PID],Len([ConfigMaster].[PID]-4)),2) The following works correctly Expr1: IIf(Right([ConfigMaster].[PID],1)="S" Or Right([ConfigMaster].[PID],1)="L",1,2) Chester Kaup Engineering Technician Kinder Morgan CO2 Company, LLP Office (432) 688-3797 FAX (432) 688-3799 No trees were killed in the sending of this message. However a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced. -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jimdettman at verizon.net Tue Oct 25 12:33:46 2011 From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman) Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 13:33:46 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Problem with .Net and Access In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Doug, Given that the strings are identical, a first guess would be permissions. Make sure the Web server account and the other user both have full privs (read, write, delete) for the DB directory. Also that you don't have two DB's in the directory with the same base name (ie. myApp.MDB and myApp.MDW). If you do, the LDB file will end up with the same name in both cases and all kinds of weird things will happen. Finally, make sure it's not being virus scanned at open. Those are all the usual culprits. Jim. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Doug Steele Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2011 12:15 PM To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com Subject: [AccessD] Problem with .Net and Access Hello All: I have two very similar .Net 4.0 websites which use Access back ends. The first site runs on a Windows 7 server with IIS7 and has no problem accessing the Access back end in a multi user environment. The second site runs OK on my development machine on Win 7 and IIS7. I am trying to get the second site to run on the client's Windows XP server with IIS5.1. It runs perfectly well as long as it has exclusive access to the back end db, but as soon as the back end db is opened by another user, I get a "Could not use ''; file already in use" message. The connection strings in the two sites are identical. Does anyone have any suggestions? Thanks, Doug -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From dbdoug at gmail.com Tue Oct 25 13:17:46 2011 From: dbdoug at gmail.com (Doug Steele) Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 11:17:46 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Problem with .Net and Access In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks, Jim. Setting the 'ASPNET' user to have full permissions on the folder containing the database has fixed the problem. The default permissions were read only. Can you explain why this is required when the .mdb is already opened by another user, but isn't necessary when the website is the only 'user' opening the .mdb file? You still have to be able to write to a folder to open the .mdb. Doug On Tue, Oct 25, 2011 at 10:33 AM, Jim Dettman wrote: > Make sure the Web server account and the other user both have full privs > (read, write, delete) for the DB directory. > From charlotte.foust at gmail.com Tue Oct 25 16:47:02 2011 From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust) Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 14:47:02 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Problem with .Net and Access In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Last one out has to be able to delete the ldb file. If they don't have full permissions, that isn't possible. If they don't have write permissions, they can't be entered into the ldb file, and if they don't have create permissions, they can't create it if they're the first ones in. Charlotte Foust On Tue, Oct 25, 2011 at 11:17 AM, Doug Steele wrote: > Thanks, Jim. > > Setting the 'ASPNET' user to have full permissions on the folder containing > the database has fixed the problem. The default permissions were read > only. > > Can you explain why this is required when the .mdb is already opened by > another user, but isn't necessary when the website is the only 'user' > opening the .mdb file? You still have to be able to write to a folder to > open the .mdb. > > Doug > > > On Tue, Oct 25, 2011 at 10:33 AM, Jim Dettman >wrote: > > > Make sure the Web server account and the other user both have full privs > > (read, write, delete) for the DB directory. > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > From jedi at charm.net Tue Oct 25 17:12:21 2011 From: jedi at charm.net (Michael Bahr) Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 18:12:21 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [AccessD] Syncing Virtual Machines In-Reply-To: <4EA69873.7000104@colbyconsulting.com> References: <4EA69873.7000104@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <3433.24.35.110.201.1319580741.squirrel@mail.expedient.net> > I did get all the VMs back, but this brought me to the question of how the > pros migrate machines > from server to server. My SQL Server (Azul) has Windows 2008 with Hyper-V > installed and I am > wondering how to cause a VM to be kept synced on two servers so that it > can just fire up and go when > the usual VM server has to be brought down. Hyper-V has an "export / > import" but that takes a > loooong time to perform. I have used VirtualBox and VMWare Player/Workstation and these have an option of "I have moved it" or "I have copied it". So this means you can either copy or move **all** the vm parts to another computer and then fire up that mechines' VM device and tell it where the parts are. If I understand your question. Mike... From vbacreations at gmail.com Tue Oct 25 20:20:27 2011 From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson) Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 21:20:27 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Value List ListBox retuning Null instead of one of its Columns Message-ID: I have a listbox. It is ValueList rowsourceType. That rowsource is 001005065;HOLLISTON MILLS INC I am trying to query the column property in order to get HOLLISTON MILLS INC but it is coming back as null ?lstCompany.Column(0,1) Null ?lstCompany.Column(0,0) 001005065 ?lstCompany.columncount 2 ?lstCompany.rowsource 001005065;HOLLISTON MILLS INC Can someone tell me if there is a different property I am supposed to use? Nothing is selected in the listbox, it is a single-row listbox specifically designed to hold a value in a hidden column (in this case '001005065') and display the other value ('HOLLISTON MILLS INC') which it does wonderfully, but it is not giving me access to the second column. Note: I am very aware I can, since I know the rowsource, parse it and retrieve the HOLLISTON MILLS INC part .. that is my current workaround. but I would like to better understand what is going on. Thanks!!! From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Tue Oct 25 21:13:29 2011 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 22:13:29 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Syncing Virtual Machines In-Reply-To: <3433.24.35.110.201.1319580741.squirrel@mail.expedient.net> References: <4EA69873.7000104@colbyconsulting.com> <3433.24.35.110.201.1319580741.squirrel@mail.expedient.net> Message-ID: <4EA76CC9.60101@colbyconsulting.com> I used VMWare for perhaps 2 years but when I installed Windows 2008 and Hyper-V suddenly VMWare stopped working. If I understand it right, the two do not co-exist which makes sense seeing as both are trying to "own" the hardware for virtualizing it for the VMs. In any event I now use Hyper-V. John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it On 10/25/2011 6:12 PM, Michael Bahr wrote: > > >> I did get all the VMs back, but this brought me to the question of how the >> pros migrate machines >> from server to server. My SQL Server (Azul) has Windows 2008 with Hyper-V >> installed and I am >> wondering how to cause a VM to be kept synced on two servers so that it >> can just fire up and go when >> the usual VM server has to be brought down. Hyper-V has an "export / >> import" but that takes a >> loooong time to perform. > > I have used VirtualBox and VMWare Player/Workstation and these have an > option of "I have moved it" or "I have copied it". So this means you can > either copy or move **all** the vm parts to another computer and then fire > up that mechines' VM device and tell it where the parts are. If I > understand your question. > > > Mike... > > From darren at activebilling.com.au Tue Oct 25 22:58:21 2011 From: darren at activebilling.com.au (Darren - Active Billing) Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2011 14:58:21 +1100 Subject: [AccessD] Value List ListBox retuning Null instead of one of its Columns Message-ID: <01d901cc9393$81d6df00$85849d00$@activebilling.com.au> Hi William The no of columns in the property sheet of the list box is critical in this scenario If you have the number of columns set to one then access interprets each delimiter (In this case semi-colon) as a new record rather than a new column of the same record. e.g. 001005065 becomes column 1 of record 1 HOLLISTON MILLS INC becomes column1 of record 2 instead of being column 2 of record 1 Hope this helps Darren -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Benson Sent: Wednesday, 26 October 2011 12:20 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: [AccessD] Value List ListBox retuning Null instead of one of its Columns I have a listbox. It is ValueList rowsourceType. That rowsource is 001005065;HOLLISTON MILLS INC I am trying to query the column property in order to get HOLLISTON MILLS INC but it is coming back as null ?lstCompany.Column(0,1) Null ?lstCompany.Column(0,0) 001005065 ?lstCompany.columncount 2 ?lstCompany.rowsource 001005065;HOLLISTON MILLS INC Can someone tell me if there is a different property I am supposed to use? Nothing is selected in the listbox, it is a single-row listbox specifically designed to hold a value in a hidden column (in this case '001005065') and display the other value ('HOLLISTON MILLS INC') which it does wonderfully, but it is not giving me access to the second column. Note: I am very aware I can, since I know the rowsource, parse it and retrieve the HOLLISTON MILLS INC part .. that is my current workaround. but I would like to better understand what is going on. Thanks!!! -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From vbacreations at gmail.com Wed Oct 26 00:40:08 2011 From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson) Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2011 01:40:08 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Value List ListBox retuning Null instead of one of its Columns In-Reply-To: <01d901cc9393$81d6df00$85849d00$@activebilling.com.au> References: <01d901cc9393$81d6df00$85849d00$@activebilling.com.au> Message-ID: It does! I think excel does it reversed? On Oct 25, 2011 11:59 PM, "Darren - Active Billing" < darren at activebilling.com.au> wrote: > Hi William > The no of columns in the property sheet of the list box is critical in this > scenario > If you have the number of columns set to one then access interprets each > delimiter (In this case semi-colon) as a new record rather than a new > column > of the same record. > e.g. 001005065 becomes column 1 of record 1 > HOLLISTON MILLS INC becomes column1 of record 2 instead of being column 2 > of > record 1 > Hope this helps > Darren > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Benson > Sent: Wednesday, 26 October 2011 12:20 PM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: [AccessD] Value List ListBox retuning Null instead of one of its > Columns > > I have a listbox. It is ValueList rowsourceType. That rowsource is > > 001005065;HOLLISTON MILLS INC > > I am trying to query the column property in order to get HOLLISTON MILLS > INC > > but it is coming back as null > > ?lstCompany.Column(0,1) > Null > ?lstCompany.Column(0,0) > 001005065 > ?lstCompany.columncount > 2 > ?lstCompany.rowsource > 001005065;HOLLISTON MILLS INC > > Can someone tell me if there is a different property I am supposed to use? > > Nothing is selected in the listbox, it is a single-row listbox specifically > designed to hold a value in a hidden column (in this case '001005065') and > display the other value ('HOLLISTON MILLS INC') which it does wonderfully, > but it is not giving me access to the second column. > > Note: I am very aware I can, since I know the rowsource, parse it and > retrieve the HOLLISTON MILLS INC part .. that is my current workaround. but > I would like to better understand what is going on. > > Thanks!!! > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From vbacreations at gmail.com Wed Oct 26 00:42:41 2011 From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson) Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2011 01:42:41 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Value List ListBox retuning Null instead of one of its Columns In-Reply-To: <01d901cc9393$81d6df00$85849d00$@activebilling.com.au> References: <01d901cc9393$81d6df00$85849d00$@activebilling.com.au> Message-ID: Reading your answer more closely... not sure related since I have the right number of columns. The issue was that column property in access listbox is (Col,row). I had it reversed. On Oct 25, 2011 11:59 PM, "Darren - Active Billing" < darren at activebilling.com.au> wrote: > Hi William > The no of columns in the property sheet of the list box is critical in this > scenario > If you have the number of columns set to one then access interprets each > delimiter (In this case semi-colon) as a new record rather than a new > column > of the same record. > e.g. 001005065 becomes column 1 of record 1 > HOLLISTON MILLS INC becomes column1 of record 2 instead of being column 2 > of > record 1 > Hope this helps > Darren > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Benson > Sent: Wednesday, 26 October 2011 12:20 PM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: [AccessD] Value List ListBox retuning Null instead of one of its > Columns > > I have a listbox. It is ValueList rowsourceType. That rowsource is > > 001005065;HOLLISTON MILLS INC > > I am trying to query the column property in order to get HOLLISTON MILLS > INC > > but it is coming back as null > > ?lstCompany.Column(0,1) > Null > ?lstCompany.Column(0,0) > 001005065 > ?lstCompany.columncount > 2 > ?lstCompany.rowsource > 001005065;HOLLISTON MILLS INC > > Can someone tell me if there is a different property I am supposed to use? > > Nothing is selected in the listbox, it is a single-row listbox specifically > designed to hold a value in a hidden column (in this case '001005065') and > display the other value ('HOLLISTON MILLS INC') which it does wonderfully, > but it is not giving me access to the second column. > > Note: I am very aware I can, since I know the rowsource, parse it and > retrieve the HOLLISTON MILLS INC part .. that is my current workaround. but > I would like to better understand what is going on. > > Thanks!!! > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From Gustav at cactus.dk Wed Oct 26 05:27:19 2011 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2011 12:27:19 +0200 Subject: [AccessD] Value List ListBox retuning Null instead of one of its Columns Message-ID: Hi William As you one row only, the row parameter is of no use. So: ?lstCompany.Column(0) 001005065 ?lstCompany.Column(1) HOLLISTON MILLS INC ?lstCompany.columncount 2 ?lstCompany.rowsource 001005065;HOLLISTON MILLS INC If you insist: ?lstCompany.Column(0,0) 001005065 ?lstCompany.Column(1,0) HOLLISTON MILLS INC /gustav >>> vbacreations at gmail.com 26-10-2011 03:20 >>> I have a listbox. It is ValueList rowsourceType. That rowsource is 001005065;HOLLISTON MILLS INC I am trying to query the column property in order to get HOLLISTON MILLS INC but it is coming back as null ?lstCompany.Column(0,1) Null ?lstCompany.Column(0,0) 001005065 ?lstCompany.columncount 2 ?lstCompany.rowsource 001005065;HOLLISTON MILLS INC Can someone tell me if there is a different property I am supposed to use? Nothing is selected in the listbox, it is a single-row listbox specifically designed to hold a value in a hidden column (in this case '001005065') and display the other value ('HOLLISTON MILLS INC') which it does wonderfully, but it is not giving me access to the second column. Note: I am very aware I can, since I know the rowsource, parse it and retrieve the HOLLISTON MILLS INC part .. that is my current workaround. but I would like to better understand what is going on. Thanks!!! From jimdettman at verizon.net Wed Oct 26 06:14:57 2011 From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman) Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2011 07:14:57 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Problem with .Net and Access In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: If the LDB file can't be created, a DB is opened exclusive. Ditto if the LDB file is there, but can't be written to. Jim. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Doug Steele Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2011 02:18 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Problem with .Net and Access Thanks, Jim. Setting the 'ASPNET' user to have full permissions on the folder containing the database has fixed the problem. The default permissions were read only. Can you explain why this is required when the .mdb is already opened by another user, but isn't necessary when the website is the only 'user' opening the .mdb file? You still have to be able to write to a folder to open the .mdb. Doug On Tue, Oct 25, 2011 at 10:33 AM, Jim Dettman wrote: > Make sure the Web server account and the other user both have full privs > (read, write, delete) for the DB directory. > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From dbdoug at gmail.com Wed Oct 26 09:52:40 2011 From: dbdoug at gmail.com (Doug Steele) Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2011 07:52:40 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Problem with .Net and Access In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks, that explains it - all these years and I didn't know that! Doug On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 4:14 AM, Jim Dettman wrote: > > If the LDB file can't be created, a DB is opened exclusive. Ditto if the > LDB file is there, but can't be written to. > > Jim. > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Doug Steele > Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2011 02:18 PM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Problem with .Net and Access > > Thanks, Jim. > > Setting the 'ASPNET' user to have full permissions on the folder containing > the database has fixed the problem. The default permissions were read > only. > > Can you explain why this is required when the .mdb is already opened by > another user, but isn't necessary when the website is the only 'user' > opening the .mdb file? You still have to be able to write to a folder to > open the .mdb. > > Doug > > > On Tue, Oct 25, 2011 at 10:33 AM, Jim Dettman >wrote: > > > Make sure the Web server account and the other user both have full privs > > (read, write, delete) for the DB directory. > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From vbacreations at gmail.com Wed Oct 26 20:49:36 2011 From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson (VBACreations.Com)) Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2011 21:49:36 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Known Bugs List in A2K7/10 In-Reply-To: <004a01cc8f99$8944af90$9bce0eb0$@net> References: <4E9E8A33.5135.61C4375@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <000901cc8eca$ac281df0$047859d0$@gmail.com> <004a01cc8f99$8944af90$9bce0eb0$@net> Message-ID: <000f01cc944a$af0e9140$0d2bb3c0$@gmail.com> How about this (forgive if posted already) In the VBE, I go to paste code from one form's code module to another ... and Access prompts me to save! I haven't figured out what the implications are of saying yes or no, since I normally will save shortly after doing this - but usually not immediately. It also generally closes some or another object that might be loaded. From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au Wed Oct 26 23:39:20 2011 From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins) Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 04:39:20 +0000 Subject: [AccessD] Known Bugs List in A2K7/10 In-Reply-To: <000f01cc944a$af0e9140$0d2bb3c0$@gmail.com> References: <4E9E8A33.5135.61C4375@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <000901cc8eca$ac281df0$047859d0$@gmail.com> <004a01cc8f99$8944af90$9bce0eb0$@net> <000f01cc944a$af0e9140$0d2bb3c0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55C824D@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com> Right.... Found PITA (1) when using Split Forms. Nice idea, but guess what. They don't' work at all on TABBED forms. Way to go MS . Just wasted the last 20 minutes playing around with that, I wonder if I can fake it by putting a table view in the footer? Going to try. Cheers Darryl. From vbacreations at gmail.com Thu Oct 27 00:29:43 2011 From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson (VBACreations.Com)) Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 01:29:43 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Known Bugs List in A2K7/10 References: <4E9E8A33.5135.61C4375@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <000901cc8eca$ac281df0$047859d0$@gmail.com> <004a01cc8f99$8944af90$9bce0eb0$@net> Message-ID: <001401cc9469$6f238ee0$4d6aaca0$@gmail.com> More Ac2010 bugs. Hard to know whether this belongs in a thread of KNOWN bugs, but they are certainly ACTIVE bugs. I am getting a message like [My Database Name] cannot complete this operation. You must stop the code and try again" Thing is, I am not running any code. I only copied an object (like a form) and tried to paste it with a new name in the database window. Furthermore, I also occasionally catch the statusbar showing me a query is running I am not doing anything except modifying some code in design time. This Ac2010 seems very much like a Ghost in the Machine gone wild, and it is not Casper the Friendly either. From delam at zyterra.com Thu Oct 27 06:17:55 2011 From: delam at zyterra.com (Debbie) Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 06:17:55 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Tab delimited text file Message-ID: <1DB987E5-91D4-4BA3-B1ED-98D8FA7F2295@zyterra.com> I have a text file being exported from access 2007 using transfer text. This creates a comma delimited file that has been working fine. The receiving end of this file has asked for a tab delimited file instead. Our attempts to create an export specification to do this has not yielded anything transfer text will acknowledge. Does anyone know how to either fix the export specification or an alternate method? This approach should remain simple and flexible if fields are added in the future. The directive is under no circumstances should I create an ongoing maintainence task for myself. Leaving as is will be suboptimal, but not impossible. Debbie Sent from my iPhone From fuller.artful at gmail.com Thu Oct 27 06:47:25 2011 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 07:47:25 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Tab delimited text file In-Reply-To: <1DB987E5-91D4-4BA3-B1ED-98D8FA7F2295@zyterra.com> References: <1DB987E5-91D4-4BA3-B1ED-98D8FA7F2295@zyterra.com> Message-ID: I have had the same problem in the past and failed to come up with a strictly-Access solution, so I adopted a more primitive method -- my favourite text editor (NoteTab). It is lightning-quick and makes it a cinch to do a global-replace, so I searched for "," and replaced it with "^T" (which in NoteTab nomenclature means "Tab"). NoteTab can handle extremely large files, too. I'm sure that other text editors can do this too. Arthur On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 7:17 AM, Debbie wrote: > I have a text file being exported from access 2007 using transfer text. > This creates a comma delimited file that has been working fine. The > receiving end of this file has asked for a tab delimited file instead. Our > attempts to create an export specification to do this has not yielded > anything transfer text will acknowledge. Does anyone know how to either fix > the export specification or an alternate method? > > From paul.hartland at googlemail.com Thu Oct 27 06:56:00 2011 From: paul.hartland at googlemail.com (Paul Hartland) Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 12:56:00 +0100 Subject: [AccessD] Tab delimited text file In-Reply-To: References: <1DB987E5-91D4-4BA3-B1ED-98D8FA7F2295@zyterra.com> Message-ID: Could you not write a function to export the file line by line, put the file into a recordset, open a text file for exporting to and loop through the recordset and print each line into the file using something like Print #FileNumber, YourRecordset.GetString(, , vbTab, vbCrLf, ""); Has worked for me in the past. On 27 October 2011 12:47, Arthur Fuller wrote: > I have had the same problem in the past and failed to come up with a > strictly-Access solution, so I adopted a more primitive method -- my > favourite text editor (NoteTab). It is lightning-quick and makes it a cinch > to do a global-replace, so I searched for "," and replaced it with "^T" > (which in NoteTab nomenclature means "Tab"). NoteTab can handle extremely > large files, too. I'm sure that other text editors can do this too. > > Arthur > > On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 7:17 AM, Debbie wrote: > > > I have a text file being exported from access 2007 using transfer text. > > This creates a comma delimited file that has been working fine. The > > receiving end of this file has asked for a tab delimited file instead. > Our > > attempts to create an export specification to do this has not yielded > > anything transfer text will acknowledge. Does anyone know how to either > fix > > the export specification or an alternate method? > > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Paul Hartland paul.hartland at googlemail.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Thu Oct 27 07:01:21 2011 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 08:01:21 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Tab delimited text file In-Reply-To: References: <1DB987E5-91D4-4BA3-B1ED-98D8FA7F2295@zyterra.com> Message-ID: That looks like a cleaner solution than my clumsy external method. A. On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 7:56 AM, Paul Hartland wrote: > Could you not write a function to export the file line by line, put the > file > into a recordset, open a text file for exporting to and loop through the > recordset and print each line into the file using something like > > Print #FileNumber, YourRecordset.GetString(, , vbTab, vbCrLf, ""); > > Has worked for me in the past. > > From delam at zyterra.com Thu Oct 27 08:01:44 2011 From: delam at zyterra.com (Debbie) Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 08:01:44 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Tab delimited text file In-Reply-To: References: <1DB987E5-91D4-4BA3-B1ED-98D8FA7F2295@zyterra.com> Message-ID: <354B971B-39DE-4243-A3DA-BFD7A171CBC3@zyterra.com> The line by line method is definitely in consideration. I was hoping for something that would be a little more friendly to the user who developed this db. You never know when someone on this list has the perfect elegant solution. Debbie Sent from my iPhone On Oct 27, 2011, at 7:01 AM, Arthur Fuller wrote: > That looks like a cleaner solution than my clumsy external method. > A. > > On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 7:56 AM, Paul Hartland > wrote: > >> Could you not write a function to export the file line by line, put the >> file >> into a recordset, open a text file for exporting to and loop through the >> recordset and print each line into the file using something like >> >> Print #FileNumber, YourRecordset.GetString(, , vbTab, vbCrLf, ""); >> >> Has worked for me in the past. >> >> > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From dnod at aol.com Thu Oct 27 08:48:12 2011 From: dnod at aol.com (Dean Davids) Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 09:48:12 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Tab delimited text file In-Reply-To: <354B971B-39DE-4243-A3DA-BFD7A171CBC3@zyterra.com> References: <1DB987E5-91D4-4BA3-B1ED-98D8FA7F2295@zyterra.com> <354B971B-39DE-4243-A3DA-BFD7A171CBC3@zyterra.com> Message-ID: <19FFE799-1BF0-428C-A9DE-DBEEE5B728D1@aol.com> Have you considered importing into Excel and then export as tab delimited? I seem to recall that as an option in Excel and that would likely be possible to automate if the user has Excel on PC. Dean S. Davids On Oct 27, 2011, at 9:01 AM, Debbie wrote: > The line by line method is definitely in consideration. I was hoping for something that would be a little more friendly to the user who developed this db. You never know when someone on this list has the perfect elegant solution. > > Debbie > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Oct 27, 2011, at 7:01 AM, Arthur Fuller wrote: > >> That looks like a cleaner solution than my clumsy external method. >> A. >> >> On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 7:56 AM, Paul Hartland >> wrote: >> >>> Could you not write a function to export the file line by line, put the >>> file >>> into a recordset, open a text file for exporting to and loop through the >>> recordset and print each line into the file using something like >>> >>> Print #FileNumber, YourRecordset.GetString(, , vbTab, vbCrLf, ""); >>> >>> Has worked for me in the past. >>> >>> >> -- >> AccessD mailing list >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From paul.hartland at googlemail.com Thu Oct 27 09:06:52 2011 From: paul.hartland at googlemail.com (Paul Hartland) Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 15:06:52 +0100 Subject: [AccessD] Tab delimited text file In-Reply-To: <354B971B-39DE-4243-A3DA-BFD7A171CBC3@zyterra.com> References: <1DB987E5-91D4-4BA3-B1ED-98D8FA7F2295@zyterra.com> <354B971B-39DE-4243-A3DA-BFD7A171CBC3@zyterra.com> Message-ID: Here is a little function I have quickly knocked together, can't find my source, but no reason why it shouldn't work, you pass a recordset to function to export, could also pass the export path name as well if you wanted: Function ExportTabDelimited(rsExport as Recordset) Dim strExportPath as String Dim fnFreeFile strExportPath = "your path and filename here" If not rsExport.BOF and not rsExport.EOF Then rsExport.MoveFirst Open strExportPath For Output As #fnFreeFile Do Until rsExport.EOF Print #fnFileNo, rsExport.GetString(, , vbTab, vbCrLf, ""); rsExport.MoveNext Loop Close #fnFreeFile End If End Function On 27 October 2011 14:01, Debbie wrote: > The line by line method is definitely in consideration. I was hoping for > something that would be a little more friendly to the user who developed > this db. You never know when someone on this list has the perfect elegant > solution. > > Debbie > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Oct 27, 2011, at 7:01 AM, Arthur Fuller > wrote: > > > That looks like a cleaner solution than my clumsy external method. > > A. > > > > On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 7:56 AM, Paul Hartland < > paul.hartland at googlemail.com > >> wrote: > > > >> Could you not write a function to export the file line by line, put the > >> file > >> into a recordset, open a text file for exporting to and loop through the > >> recordset and print each line into the file using something like > >> > >> Print #FileNumber, YourRecordset.GetString(, , vbTab, vbCrLf, ""); > >> > >> Has worked for me in the past. > >> > >> > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Paul Hartland paul.hartland at googlemail.com From ssharkins at gmail.com Thu Oct 27 09:47:04 2011 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 10:47:04 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Convert 2007/2010 to 2003 Message-ID: <931F83B6ACA24D53997914B5D778E7CD@SusanHarkins> I had fudge after breakfast so I guess I'm just in a diabetic fizzy, but... can't you demote a 2007/2010 database back to 2003? I can't find a setting that will convert, within 2010. Am I just missing it or am I expecting too much? Susan H. From fuller.artful at gmail.com Thu Oct 27 09:56:36 2011 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 10:56:36 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Convert 2007/2010 to 2003 In-Reply-To: <931F83B6ACA24D53997914B5D778E7CD@SusanHarkins> References: <931F83B6ACA24D53997914B5D778E7CD@SusanHarkins> Message-ID: I don't use 2010 but I do use 2007, and have found that it is demote-able just fine IF you have not used features unavailable in 2003. However, chances are the reason you moved to 2007 is precisely for its new features, and there's the rub. No quick fix for this problem, methinks. A. On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 10:47 AM, Susan Harkins wrote: > I had fudge after breakfast so I guess I'm just in a diabetic fizzy, but... > can't you demote a 2007/2010 database back to 2003? I can't find a setting > that will convert, within 2010. Am I just missing it or am I expecting too > much? > > Susan H. > From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Thu Oct 27 09:57:48 2011 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 07:57:48 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Tab delimited text file In-Reply-To: <354B971B-39DE-4243-A3DA-BFD7A171CBC3@zyterra.com> References: <1DB987E5-91D4-4BA3-B1ED-98D8FA7F2295@zyterra.com> <354B971B-39DE-4243-A3DA-BFD7A171CBC3@zyterra.com> Message-ID: <99348B128A754AA09535B5BCBBE14017@HAL9007> I'll second the VBA approach. I have used it several times because of the unreliability of the Transfer functions - TransferText, TrasferSpreadsheet, etc. It's not very much code and you have complete control - build the string and output it to your file using Print #. Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software 858-259-4334 www.bchacc.com www.e-z-mrp.com -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Debbie Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2011 6:02 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Tab delimited text file The line by line method is definitely in consideration. I was hoping for something that would be a little more friendly to the user who developed this db. You never know when someone on this list has the perfect elegant solution. Debbie Sent from my iPhone On Oct 27, 2011, at 7:01 AM, Arthur Fuller wrote: > That looks like a cleaner solution than my clumsy external method. > A. > > On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 7:56 AM, Paul Hartland > > wrote: > >> Could you not write a function to export the file line by line, put >> the file into a recordset, open a text file for exporting to and loop >> through the recordset and print each line into the file using >> something like >> >> Print #FileNumber, YourRecordset.GetString(, , vbTab, vbCrLf, ""); >> >> Has worked for me in the past. >> >> > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From ssharkins at gmail.com Thu Oct 27 10:19:38 2011 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 11:19:38 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Convert 2007/2010 to 2003 References: <931F83B6ACA24D53997914B5D778E7CD@SusanHarkins> Message-ID: Not in this case, just wanting to demote a simple demo to 2003. Where's the setting to do that Arthur? I can't find anything. Susan H. >I don't use 2010 but I do use 2007, and have found that it is demote-able > just fine IF you have not used features unavailable in 2003. However, > chances are the reason you moved to 2007 is precisely for its new > features, > and there's the rub. No quick fix for this problem, methinks. > > A. > > On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 10:47 AM, Susan Harkins > wrote: > >> I had fudge after breakfast so I guess I'm just in a diabetic fizzy, >> but... >> can't you demote a 2007/2010 database back to 2003? I can't find a >> setting >> that will convert, within 2010. Am I just missing it or am I expecting >> too >> much? From dw-murphy at cox.net Thu Oct 27 10:27:05 2011 From: dw-murphy at cox.net (Doug Murphy) Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 08:27:05 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Convert 2007/2010 to 2003 In-Reply-To: References: <931F83B6ACA24D53997914B5D778E7CD@SusanHarkins> Message-ID: <00c101cc94bc$e1ffec30$a5ffc490$@cox.net> If you go to the File tab and select Save & Publish you will be able to save an accdb file as an earlier file type. Takes a while to navigate this new ribbon/tab structure, particularly if you're like me and your few remaining functional neurons were used to menus. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2011 8:20 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Convert 2007/2010 to 2003 Not in this case, just wanting to demote a simple demo to 2003. Where's the setting to do that Arthur? I can't find anything. Susan H. >I don't use 2010 but I do use 2007, and have found that it is >demote-able just fine IF you have not used features unavailable in >2003. However, chances are the reason you moved to 2007 is precisely >for its new features, and there's the rub. No quick fix for this >problem, methinks. > > A. > > On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 10:47 AM, Susan Harkins > wrote: > >> I had fudge after breakfast so I guess I'm just in a diabetic fizzy, >> but... >> can't you demote a 2007/2010 database back to 2003? I can't find a >> setting that will convert, within 2010. Am I just missing it or am I >> expecting too much? -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From ab-mi at post3.tele.dk Thu Oct 27 10:29:04 2011 From: ab-mi at post3.tele.dk (Asger Blond) Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 17:29:04 +0200 Subject: [AccessD] Convert 2007/2010 to 2003 In-Reply-To: <931F83B6ACA24D53997914B5D778E7CD@SusanHarkins> References: <931F83B6ACA24D53997914B5D778E7CD@SusanHarkins> Message-ID: On the File Ribbon choose Save & Publish, then highlight Access 2002-2003 Database (*.mdb) and click the Save As button. Asger -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Susan Harkins Sendt: 27. oktober 2011 16:47 Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Emne: [AccessD] Convert 2007/2010 to 2003 I had fudge after breakfast so I guess I'm just in a diabetic fizzy, but... can't you demote a 2007/2010 database back to 2003? I can't find a setting that will convert, within 2010. Am I just missing it or am I expecting too much? Susan H. -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From joeo at appoli.com Thu Oct 27 10:30:50 2011 From: joeo at appoli.com (Joe O'Connell) Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 11:30:50 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Convert 2007/2010 to 2003 In-Reply-To: References: <931F83B6ACA24D53997914B5D778E7CD@SusanHarkins> Message-ID: <1CF20DB644BE124083B31638E5D5C023B4D05C@exch2.Onappsad.net> Susan, File - Save and Publish Select Access 2002-2003 Database Click Save As Joe O'Connell -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2011 11:20 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Convert 2007/2010 to 2003 Not in this case, just wanting to demote a simple demo to 2003. Where's the setting to do that Arthur? I can't find anything. Susan H. >I don't use 2010 but I do use 2007, and have found that it is >demote-able just fine IF you have not used features unavailable in >2003. However, chances are the reason you moved to 2007 is precisely >for its new features, and there's the rub. No quick fix for this >problem, methinks. > > A. > > On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 10:47 AM, Susan Harkins > wrote: > >> I had fudge after breakfast so I guess I'm just in a diabetic fizzy, >> but... >> can't you demote a 2007/2010 database back to 2003? I can't find a >> setting that will convert, within 2010. Am I just missing it or am I >> expecting too much? -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From ssharkins at gmail.com Thu Oct 27 14:42:35 2011 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 15:42:35 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Convert 2007/2010 to 2003 References: <931F83B6ACA24D53997914B5D778E7CD@SusanHarkins> <00c101cc94bc$e1ffec30$a5ffc490$@cox.net> Message-ID: <7A9D3028A75A47BC9247869C0F72B8C5@SusanHarkins> Save & Publish? Oh -- it IS there... just ... why in the world did they put it at the bottom of the list? When I didn't see it with the other Save commands I just figured Access didn't have it. I don't mind the ribbon structure anymore, but geez... that just seems a bit... it doesn't make sense. Thanks! Susan H. > If you go to the File tab and select Save & Publish you will be able to > save > an accdb file as an earlier file type. Takes a while to navigate this new > ribbon/tab structure, particularly if you're like me and your few > remaining > functional neurons were used to menus. From ssharkins at gmail.com Thu Oct 27 14:44:42 2011 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 15:44:42 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Convert 2007/2010 to 2003 References: <931F83B6ACA24D53997914B5D778E7CD@SusanHarkins> Message-ID: <4548CF1FB6914A5D8D9A2CF2A75EB188@SusanHarkins> After working through it again after readying Doug's message, I really feel rather stupid now, because I recall showing this very command to someone else last summer. :( He insisted it couldn't be done and I knew it could. So why the lapse this morning -- oh yeah... it was that fudge. I'd say I needed a vacation, but I really just need a long rest and some strong meds. Susan H. > > On the File Ribbon choose Save & Publish, then highlight Access 2002-2003 > Database (*.mdb) and click the Save As button. > > Asger > -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- > I had fudge after breakfast so I guess I'm just in a diabetic fizzy, > but... can't you demote a 2007/2010 database back to 2003? I can't find a > setting that will convert, within 2010. Am I just missing it or am I > expecting too much? From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Thu Oct 27 15:19:43 2011 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 06:19:43 +1000 Subject: [AccessD] Tab delimited text file In-Reply-To: References: <1DB987E5-91D4-4BA3-B1ED-98D8FA7F2295@zyterra.com>, <354B971B-39DE-4243-A3DA-BFD7A171CBC3@zyterra.com>, Message-ID: <4EA9BCDF.22754.DAFB532@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> And here's a DAO version I've quickly knocked up (not tested): Function ExportTab(RSName As String, FileName As String) As Boolean Dim rs As DAO.Recordset Dim ff As Long Dim x As Long Dim strtemp As String On Error GoTo errtrap ff = FreeFile Set rs = CurrentDb.OpenRecordset(RSName) Open FileName For Output As #ff While Not rs.EOF strtemp = rs(0) For x = 1 To rs.Fields.Count - 1 strtemp = strTemp & vbTab & rs(x) Next strtemp = strtemp & vbCrLf Print #ff, strtemp rs.MoveNext Wend Close #ff rs.Close Set rs = Nothing ExportTab = True Exit Function errtrap: MsgBox "Error: " & Err.Description & " in Function ExportTab()" End Function On 27 Oct 2011 at 15:06, Paul Hartland wrote: > Here is a little function I have quickly knocked together, can't find > my source, but no reason why it shouldn't work, you pass a recordset > to function to export, could also pass the export path name as well if > you wanted: From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Thu Oct 27 15:40:23 2011 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 16:40:23 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Convert 2007/2010 to 2003 In-Reply-To: <4548CF1FB6914A5D8D9A2CF2A75EB188@SusanHarkins> References: <931F83B6ACA24D53997914B5D778E7CD@SusanHarkins> <4548CF1FB6914A5D8D9A2CF2A75EB188@SusanHarkins> Message-ID: <4EA9C1B7.1080106@colbyconsulting.com> LOL. I thought fudge was strong meds. Was it chocolate? ;) John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it On 10/27/2011 3:44 PM, Susan Harkins wrote: > After working through it again after readying Doug's message, I really feel rather stupid now, > because I recall showing this very command to someone else last summer. :( He insisted it couldn't > be done and I knew it could. So why the lapse this morning -- oh yeah... it was that fudge. > > I'd say I needed a vacation, but I really just need a long rest and some strong meds. > > Susan H. > > >> >> On the File Ribbon choose Save & Publish, then highlight Access 2002-2003 Database (*.mdb) and >> click the Save As button. >> >> Asger >> -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- >> I had fudge after breakfast so I guess I'm just in a diabetic fizzy, but... can't you demote a >> 2007/2010 database back to 2003? I can't find a setting that will convert, within 2010. Am I just >> missing it or am I expecting too much? > From Lambert.Heenan at chartisinsurance.com Thu Oct 27 15:49:55 2011 From: Lambert.Heenan at chartisinsurance.com (Heenan, Lambert) Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 16:49:55 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Tab delimited text file In-Reply-To: <4EA9BCDF.22754.DAFB532@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: <1DB987E5-91D4-4BA3-B1ED-98D8FA7F2295@zyterra.com>, <354B971B-39DE-4243-A3DA-BFD7A171CBC3@zyterra.com>, <4EA9BCDF.22754.DAFB532@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: One small bug fix and the addition of the ability to include the field names... Function ExportTab(RSName As String, FileName As String, Optional boolIncludeFieldNames As Boolean = True) As Boolean Dim rs As DAO.Recordset Dim ff As Long Dim x As Long Dim strtemp As String On Error GoTo errtrap ff = FreeFile Set rs = CurrentDb.OpenRecordset(RSName) Open FileName For Output As #ff If boolIncludeFieldNames Then For x = 0 To rs.Fields.Count - 1 strtemp = strtemp & rs.Fields(x).Name If x < rs.Fields.Count - 1 Then strtemp = strtemp & vbTab End If Next x Print #ff, strtemp End If While Not rs.EOF strtemp = rs(0) For x = 1 To rs.Fields.Count - 1 strtemp = strtemp & vbTab & rs(x) Next strtemp = strtemp ' & vbCrLf = don't need this. Print #ff implies a CRLF at the end Print #ff, strtemp rs.MoveNext Wend Close #ff rs.Close Set rs = Nothing ExportTab = True Exit Function errtrap: MsgBox "Error: " & Err.Description & " in Function ExportTab()" End Function Lambert -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2011 4:20 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Tab delimited text file And here's a DAO version I've quickly knocked up (not tested): Function ExportTab(RSName As String, FileName As String) As Boolean Dim rs As DAO.Recordset Dim ff As Long Dim x As Long Dim strtemp As String On Error GoTo errtrap ff = FreeFile Set rs = CurrentDb.OpenRecordset(RSName) Open FileName For Output As #ff While Not rs.EOF strtemp = rs(0) For x = 1 To rs.Fields.Count - 1 strtemp = strTemp & vbTab & rs(x) Next strtemp = strtemp & vbCrLf Print #ff, strtemp rs.MoveNext Wend Close #ff rs.Close Set rs = Nothing ExportTab = True Exit Function errtrap: MsgBox "Error: " & Err.Description & " in Function ExportTab()" End Function On 27 Oct 2011 at 15:06, Paul Hartland wrote: > Here is a little function I have quickly knocked together, can't find > my source, but no reason why it shouldn't work, you pass a recordset > to function to export, could also pass the export path name as well if > you wanted: -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From ssharkins at gmail.com Thu Oct 27 16:12:58 2011 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 17:12:58 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Convert 2007/2010 to 2003 References: <931F83B6ACA24D53997914B5D778E7CD@SusanHarkins><4548CF1FB6914A5D8D9A2CF2A75EB188@SusanHarkins> <4EA9C1B7.1080106@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <5DFBD39E82214578BE63319639B813A9@SusanHarkins> Yes, chocolate walnut. :) You're right, it is strong medicine! ;) They should call me Fudge Woman! Susan H. > LOL. I thought fudge was strong meds. Was it chocolate? > From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Thu Oct 27 16:36:22 2011 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 14:36:22 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Convert 2007/2010 to 2003 In-Reply-To: <5DFBD39E82214578BE63319639B813A9@SusanHarkins> References: <931F83B6ACA24D53997914B5D778E7CD@SusanHarkins><4548CF1FB6914A5D8D9A2CF2A75EB188@SusanHarkins><4EA9C1B7.1080106@colbyconsulting.com> <5DFBD39E82214578BE63319639B813A9@SusanHarkins> Message-ID: Fudge- it's not just for breakfast anymore...or in Kentucky, maybe it is... R -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2011 2:13 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Convert 2007/2010 to 2003 Yes, chocolate walnut. :) You're right, it is strong medicine! ;) They should call me Fudge Woman! Susan H. > LOL. I thought fudge was strong meds. Was it chocolate? > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From ssharkins at gmail.com Thu Oct 27 16:56:14 2011 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 17:56:14 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Convert 2007/2010 to 2003 References: <931F83B6ACA24D53997914B5D778E7CD@SusanHarkins><4548CF1FB6914A5D8D9A2CF2A75EB188@SusanHarkins><4EA9C1B7.1080106@colbyconsulting.com><5DFBD39E82214578BE63319639B813A9@SusanHarkins> Message-ID: <7DDA255BAEAD45569BAA29235DAECFAD@SusanHarkins> Well, I did actually eat breakfast first -- boiled egg and one piece of wheat toast. I earned that fudge buddy... ;) Susan H. > Fudge- it's not just for breakfast anymore...or in Kentucky, maybe it > is... > From ab-mi at post3.tele.dk Thu Oct 27 17:00:24 2011 From: ab-mi at post3.tele.dk (Asger Blond) Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 00:00:24 +0200 Subject: [AccessD] Convert 2007/2010 to 2003 In-Reply-To: <4548CF1FB6914A5D8D9A2CF2A75EB188@SusanHarkins> References: <931F83B6ACA24D53997914B5D778E7CD@SusanHarkins> <4548CF1FB6914A5D8D9A2CF2A75EB188@SusanHarkins> Message-ID: <583166B70BDA4C739F306EA21ADBDCE2@abpc> Intuition was the main reason for Microsoft when replacing the old menu UI with the ribbon UI. As a *design idea* the ribbon UI may be good. But as *implemented* it is just awful - i.e. the opposite of its idea: it's untidy, not intuitive. This is not special for Access - the implementation is just as careless in Excel. Asger -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Susan Harkins Sendt: 27. oktober 2011 21:45 Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Emne: Re: [AccessD] Convert 2007/2010 to 2003 After working through it again after readying Doug's message, I really feel rather stupid now, because I recall showing this very command to someone else last summer. :( He insisted it couldn't be done and I knew it could. So why the lapse this morning -- oh yeah... it was that fudge. I'd say I needed a vacation, but I really just need a long rest and some strong meds. Susan H. > > On the File Ribbon choose Save & Publish, then highlight Access 2002-2003 > Database (*.mdb) and click the Save As button. > > Asger > -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- > I had fudge after breakfast so I guess I'm just in a diabetic fizzy, > but... can't you demote a 2007/2010 database back to 2003? I can't find a > setting that will convert, within 2010. Am I just missing it or am I > expecting too much? -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From ssharkins at gmail.com Thu Oct 27 17:14:59 2011 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 18:14:59 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Convert 2007/2010 to 2003 References: <931F83B6ACA24D53997914B5D778E7CD@SusanHarkins><4548CF1FB6914A5D8D9A2CF2A75EB188@SusanHarkins> <583166B70BDA4C739F306EA21ADBDCE2@abpc> Message-ID: I agreed, initially, but I don't now. Once acclimated, I can pretty much find everything, well, as long as there's no fudge involved. :) Susan H. > Intuition was the main reason for Microsoft when replacing the old menu UI > with the ribbon UI. > As a *design idea* the ribbon UI may be good. But as *implemented* it is > just awful - i.e. the opposite of its idea: it's untidy, not intuitive. > This is not special for Access - the implementation is just as careless in > Excel. > Asger From ab-mi at post3.tele.dk Thu Oct 27 18:13:27 2011 From: ab-mi at post3.tele.dk (Asger Blond) Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 01:13:27 +0200 Subject: [AccessD] Convert 2007/2010 to 2003 In-Reply-To: References: <931F83B6ACA24D53997914B5D778E7CD@SusanHarkins><4548CF1FB6914A5D8D9A2CF2A75EB188@SusanHarkins><583166B70BDA4C739F306EA21ADBDCE2@abpc> Message-ID: <209639D70DD8483A86670FE0B849743B@abpc> You may be acclimated, but please don't loose your critical sense! Problem is: the ribbon exposes a lot of fudge. Just a couple from Excel - You want to create a new macro by using the macro recorder, and you don't have the Developer tab on the ribbon (which is not there by default). By intuition, which tab would you choose? Insert - nope! Formulas - nope! Data - nope! View - off cause!!! You want to insert a new worksheet. Which tab would you choose? Insert - nope! Just to help you I'll tell it's on the Home tab ... so then in which command group would you expect to find something like "insert a new worksheet"? Actually it's in the command group called "Cells" - as if a worksheet is a member of a cell (that's the child-parent issue, and having children I won't advise turning the hierarchy upside down). And now because you turned me on: One of the most productive innovations in Excel 2007/2010 for database folks is a feature called "Format as table". Great feature which has very little to with formatting (among others it makes it easy to insert new rows and columns in a table, and it makes updating a pivot table much easier than before). But where do you find this grand new feature? Data tab - nope! Insert tab - nope! Right answer is Home tab. So advised you have to find the command group on the tab. Nothing seems to match. But actually it's the Styles group, even if this feature has very little to do which styles and formatting. Asger -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Susan Harkins Sendt: 28. oktober 2011 00:15 Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Emne: Re: [AccessD] Convert 2007/2010 to 2003 I agreed, initially, but I don't now. Once acclimated, I can pretty much find everything, well, as long as there's no fudge involved. :) Susan H. > Intuition was the main reason for Microsoft when replacing the old menu UI > with the ribbon UI. > As a *design idea* the ribbon UI may be good. But as *implemented* it is > just awful - i.e. the opposite of its idea: it's untidy, not intuitive. > This is not special for Access - the implementation is just as careless in > Excel. > Asger -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From marksimms at verizon.net Thu Oct 27 19:58:32 2011 From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms) Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 20:58:32 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Convert 2007/2010 to 2003 In-Reply-To: <209639D70DD8483A86670FE0B849743B@abpc> References: <931F83B6ACA24D53997914B5D778E7CD@SusanHarkins><4548CF1FB6914A5D8D9A2CF2A75EB188@SusanHarkins><583166B70BDA4C739F306EA21ADBDCE2@abpc> <209639D70DD8483A86670FE0B849743B@abpc> Message-ID: <001f01cc950c$b7193350$254b99f0$@net> This is the big problem with the ribbon, but if you use it long enough, Knowing which tab to hit gets to be second-hand. > By intuition, which tab would you choose? Insert - nope! > Formulas - nope! Data - nope! View - off cause!!! > You want to insert a new worksheet. Which tab would you choose? Insert > - nope! Just to help you I'll tell it's on the Home tab ... so then in > which command group would you expect to find something like "insert a From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Thu Oct 27 23:35:54 2011 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 00:35:54 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Convert 2007/2010 to 2003 In-Reply-To: <001f01cc950c$b7193350$254b99f0$@net> References: <931F83B6ACA24D53997914B5D778E7CD@SusanHarkins><4548CF1FB6914A5D8D9A2CF2A75EB188@SusanHarkins><583166B70BDA4C739F306EA21ADBDCE2@abpc> <209639D70DD8483A86670FE0B849743B@abpc> <001f01cc950c$b7193350$254b99f0$@net> Message-ID: <4EAA312A.2090201@colbyconsulting.com> One big issue for me is the mouse centric nature of the ribbon. We learn and learn and learn to use the keyboard. Never lift your hands from the keyboard. Hot keys and menus accomplished that. Ribbons destroy that. John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it On 10/27/2011 8:58 PM, Mark Simms wrote: > This is the big problem with the ribbon, but if you use it long enough, > Knowing which tab to hit gets to be second-hand. > >> By intuition, which tab would you choose? Insert - nope! >> Formulas - nope! Data - nope! View - off cause!!! >> You want to insert a new worksheet. Which tab would you choose? Insert >> - nope! Just to help you I'll tell it's on the Home tab ... so then in >> which command group would you expect to find something like "insert a > > From fuller.artful at gmail.com Thu Oct 27 23:42:08 2011 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 00:42:08 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Convert 2007/2010 to 2003 In-Reply-To: References: <931F83B6ACA24D53997914B5D778E7CD@SusanHarkins> <4548CF1FB6914A5D8D9A2CF2A75EB188@SusanHarkins> <583166B70BDA4C739F306EA21ADBDCE2@abpc> Message-ID: Something I only recently (last month) discovered, and by accident: if you hover the mouse over the ribbon and then use the wheel, you can scroll (as it were) through all the ribbon options soooo quickly. This I think is totally cool. If you didn't already know this, try it. Just hover the mouse over the ribbon bar and then use its wheel and wow! Of course, that's just my opinion, it's only Rock and Roll but I like it. A. On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 6:14 PM, Susan Harkins wrote: > I agreed, initially, but I don't now. Once acclimated, I can pretty much > find everything, well, as long as there's no fudge involved. :) > > Susan H. > > > From fuller.artful at gmail.com Fri Oct 28 00:15:07 2011 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 01:15:07 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] OT: Friday Joke Department Hallowe'en Message-ID: To: George Romero From: Arthur Fuller Re: Jesus and Hallowe'en Synopsis: Since Jesus rose from the dead, that would make him the first zombie. It's the perfect cross-over market, especially appealing to young and impressionable teens, and possibly even appealing to the Amish. A horror movie starring Christ as the lead zombie. What a concept! All kinds of scenes about Hell and Damnation, and so on. Big opportunity for 3D graphics... big flames, rotting flesh, lizards eating you, and interior shots of bacteria eating you from inside out.... Totally kewl, and totally Christian! Working title: Night of the Living Christ. Plus we could roll in some comedy: "Mary, could you get my Nikes? These spikes are killing me." Talk about crossover marketing, not to mention hidden sponsorships. We could have a designated airline ready to fly him to Heaven, complete with logos of the jet, and even cross that over to "New York to London or Heavan in just four hours". I can see this working. Have your zombies call mine, and we'll talk. You have talent and a modicum of success, but I can make you rich! Arthur From ssharkins at gmail.com Fri Oct 28 06:45:06 2011 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 07:45:06 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Convert 2007/2010 to 2003 References: <931F83B6ACA24D53997914B5D778E7CD@SusanHarkins><4548CF1FB6914A5D8D9A2CF2A75EB188@SusanHarkins><583166B70BDA4C739F306EA21ADBDCE2@abpc> Message-ID: <0EB08D1696724FCEBA144E94F568E064@SusanHarkins> Arthur, the folks that hate the ribbon are ... they're irate and they're very vocal. They maintain that because few people champion it that everyone hates it. I keep saying that's not exactly true. The people who have adjusted are just going about their work and they don't care about those conversations. :) I might write about this, so thanks for the reminder. I've mentioned it on the blog before, but can't hurt to mention it again. Another good one is minimizing the ribbon -- that's one of the biggest complaints -- that the ribbon takes up so much room. A quick double-click to a tab minimizes and maximizes it. The ^ sign at the right border does the same thing. Kind of beats the drop and drag stuff anyday, but people like what they're use to. I don't blame them for not being thrilled about the move to the ribbon, but ... it is what it is. It's here, it's staying. Susan H. > Something I only recently (last month) discovered, and by accident: if you > hover the mouse over the ribbon and then use the wheel, you can scroll (as > it were) through all the ribbon options soooo quickly. This I think is > totally cool. If you didn't already know this, try it. Just hover the > mouse > over the ribbon bar and then use its wheel and wow! Of course, that's just > my opinion, it's only Rock and Roll but I like it. From fuller.artful at gmail.com Fri Oct 28 06:59:57 2011 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 07:59:57 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Convert 2007/2010 to 2003 In-Reply-To: <0EB08D1696724FCEBA144E94F568E064@SusanHarkins> References: <931F83B6ACA24D53997914B5D778E7CD@SusanHarkins> <4548CF1FB6914A5D8D9A2CF2A75EB188@SusanHarkins> <583166B70BDA4C739F306EA21ADBDCE2@abpc> <0EB08D1696724FCEBA144E94F568E064@SusanHarkins> Message-ID: I think that Micorosft got right in the ribbon design. Yes, it took me a while to get the hang of it, so seasoned am I in the old school of menu design, but persistence and the discovery of the wheel's new power, I find myself a huge fan of this UI. Just my $0.02. A. From jm.hwsn at gmail.com Fri Oct 28 07:33:36 2011 From: jm.hwsn at gmail.com (jm.hwsn) Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 07:33:36 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Convert 2007/2010 to 2003 In-Reply-To: <0EB08D1696724FCEBA144E94F568E064@SusanHarkins> References: <931F83B6ACA24D53997914B5D778E7CD@SusanHarkins><4548CF1FB6914A5D8D9A2CF2A75EB188@SusanHarkins><583166B70BDA4C739F306EA21ADBDCE2@abpc> <0EB08D1696724FCEBA144E94F568E064@SusanHarkins> Message-ID: <4eaaa121.1b08650a.6e69.ffffcca3@mx.google.com> And if you're like John... an accomplished keyboard user. Ctrl-F1 will also minimize or maximize the ribbon. Jim H. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins Sent: Friday, October 28, 2011 6:45 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Convert 2007/2010 to 2003 Arthur, the folks that hate the ribbon are ... they're irate and they're very vocal. They maintain that because few people champion it that everyone hates it. I keep saying that's not exactly true. The people who have adjusted are just going about their work and they don't care about those conversations. :) I might write about this, so thanks for the reminder. I've mentioned it on the blog before, but can't hurt to mention it again. Another good one is minimizing the ribbon -- that's one of the biggest complaints -- that the ribbon takes up so much room. A quick double-click to a tab minimizes and maximizes it. The ^ sign at the right border does the same thing. Kind of beats the drop and drag stuff anyday, but people like what they're use to. I don't blame them for not being thrilled about the move to the ribbon, but ... it is what it is. It's here, it's staying. Susan H. > Something I only recently (last month) discovered, and by accident: if you > hover the mouse over the ribbon and then use the wheel, you can scroll (as > it were) through all the ribbon options soooo quickly. This I think is > totally cool. If you didn't already know this, try it. Just hover the > mouse > over the ribbon bar and then use its wheel and wow! Of course, that's just > my opinion, it's only Rock and Roll but I like it. -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Gustav at cactus.dk Fri Oct 28 07:38:14 2011 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 14:38:14 +0200 Subject: [AccessD] Convert 2007/2010 to 2003 Message-ID: Hi Susan That's my experience too. Users get used to the ribbon and most new machines have a preinstalled Office 2010 ... slowly the menus become "old-school". In PowerPoint which I rarely use, the ribbon is a life-saver for me. Every feature is at hand with dynamic preview - for once I experienced to be in control at the first meeting with a powerful application. I have yet to experience the scroll feature mentioned by Arthur. /gustav >>> ssharkins at gmail.com 28-10-2011 13:45 >>> Arthur, the folks that hate the ribbon are ... they're irate and they're very vocal. They maintain that because few people champion it that everyone hates it. I keep saying that's not exactly true. The people who have adjusted are just going about their work and they don't care about those conversations. :) I might write about this, so thanks for the reminder. I've mentioned it on the blog before, but can't hurt to mention it again. Another good one is minimizing the ribbon -- that's one of the biggest complaints -- that the ribbon takes up so much room. A quick double-click to a tab minimizes and maximizes it. The ^ sign at the right border does the same thing. Kind of beats the drop and drag stuff anyday, but people like what they're use to. I don't blame them for not being thrilled about the move to the ribbon, but ... it is what it is. It's here, it's staying. Susan H. > Something I only recently (last month) discovered, and by accident: if you > hover the mouse over the ribbon and then use the wheel, you can scroll (as > it were) through all the ribbon options soooo quickly. This I think is > totally cool. If you didn't already know this, try it. Just hover the mouse > over the ribbon bar and then use its wheel and wow! Of course, that's just > my opinion, it's only Rock and Roll but I like it. From marksimms at verizon.net Fri Oct 28 08:06:16 2011 From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms) Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 09:06:16 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Convert 2007/2010 to 2003 In-Reply-To: <4EAA312A.2090201@colbyconsulting.com> References: <931F83B6ACA24D53997914B5D778E7CD@SusanHarkins><4548CF1FB6914A5D8D9A2CF2A75EB188@SusanHarkins><583166B70BDA4C739F306EA21ADBDCE2@abpc> <209639D70DD8483A86670FE0B849743B@abpc> <001f01cc950c$b7193350$254b99f0$@net> <4EAA312A.2090201@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <001a01cc9572$61562e30$24028a90$@net> John - there are hot-keys. In fact in my applications, I try to establish them for the users...however, it's tricky because some appear to be reserved. What's really needed is a lot more documentation...of course. The RibbonX book was good, but it still (after 800+ pages !) was not enough for me. The problem is: there's so very few Access developers remaining that use 2007, and even less that use 2010. In fact, this post: http://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forums/en/accessdev/thread/422e15f1-9a44-4e 0c-bd1c-9b878ac12f06 seems to indicate that those trying 2010, are going back to 2003 !! Me ? I love the challenge of "working around" the bugs. Others ?:NO TOLERANCE. > One big issue for me is the mouse centric nature of the ribbon. We > learn and learn and learn to use > the keyboard. Never lift your hands from the keyboard. Hot keys and > menus accomplished that. > Ribbons destroy that. From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Fri Oct 28 09:03:38 2011 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 10:03:38 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Convert 2007/2010 to 2003 In-Reply-To: <4eaaa121.1b08650a.6e69.ffffcca3@mx.google.com> References: <931F83B6ACA24D53997914B5D778E7CD@SusanHarkins><4548CF1FB6914A5D8D9A2CF2A75EB188@SusanHarkins><583166B70BDA4C739F306EA21ADBDCE2@abpc> <0EB08D1696724FCEBA144E94F568E064@SusanHarkins> <4eaaa121.1b08650a.6e69.ffffcca3@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <4EAAB63A.3030705@colbyconsulting.com> And when the toolbar is minimized are all of the hotkeys back? The menus actually responded to the hotkeys, dropping down the menu, pulling out the submenu items etc. A visual response to what the hotkey was doing for you (when it was menu items of course). John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it On 10/28/2011 8:33 AM, jm.hwsn wrote: > And if you're like John... an accomplished keyboard user. > Ctrl-F1 will also minimize or maximize the ribbon. > > Jim H. > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins > Sent: Friday, October 28, 2011 6:45 AM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Convert 2007/2010 to 2003 > > Arthur, the folks that hate the ribbon are ... they're irate and they're > very vocal. They maintain that because few people champion it that everyone > hates it. I keep saying that's not exactly true. The people who have > adjusted are just going about their work and they don't care about those > conversations. :) > > I might write about this, so thanks for the reminder. I've mentioned it on > the blog before, but can't hurt to mention it again. Another good one is > minimizing the ribbon -- that's one of the biggest complaints -- that the > ribbon takes up so much room. A quick double-click to a tab minimizes and > maximizes it. The ^ sign at the right border does the same thing. Kind of > beats the drop and drag stuff anyday, but people like what they're use to. I > > don't blame them for not being thrilled about the move to the ribbon, but > ... it is what it is. It's here, it's staying. > > Susan H. > > >> Something I only recently (last month) discovered, and by accident: if you >> hover the mouse over the ribbon and then use the wheel, you can scroll (as >> it were) through all the ribbon options soooo quickly. This I think is >> totally cool. If you didn't already know this, try it. Just hover the >> mouse >> over the ribbon bar and then use its wheel and wow! Of course, that's just >> my opinion, it's only Rock and Roll but I like it. > From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Fri Oct 28 09:10:34 2011 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 10:10:34 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] firefox recent browse history Message-ID: <4EAAB7DA.4020405@colbyconsulting.com> In previous versions of Firefox there was a drop down arrow next to the back / forward buttons in the address bar. That drop down would allow you to see and move directly to a recently browsed page. For example I go to a review, I go through 16 pages of the review, I can then drop down this history arrow and see the page 16 pages back and go there directly to "reset" my location. I am now back in that browse location and can page forward or back from that browse location. Now I have to "page back" 16 times to get back to the point where I started reading this review. That is a huge step backwards to me in terms of convenience. Is that old history control available anymore? Can I get it back somehow? -- John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Fri Oct 28 09:26:24 2011 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 10:26:24 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Convert 2007/2010 to 2003 In-Reply-To: <001a01cc9572$61562e30$24028a90$@net> References: <931F83B6ACA24D53997914B5D778E7CD@SusanHarkins><4548CF1FB6914A5D8D9A2CF2A75EB188@SusanHarkins><583166B70BDA4C739F306EA21ADBDCE2@abpc> <209639D70DD8483A86670FE0B849743B@abpc> <001f01cc950c$b7193350$254b99f0$@net> <4EAA312A.2090201@colbyconsulting.com> <001a01cc9572$61562e30$24028a90$@net> Message-ID: <4EAABB90.6090102@colbyconsulting.com> Mark, I fall in the no tolerance category. I tend to love new stuff, but I also have to make a living and when things just cripple my productivity I move slowly. When bugs cripple my productivity I just wait for the bugs to go away before I go there. When they don't fix the bugs I don't go there at all. Office 2000 was a huge rewrite of 97, but buggy. Office 2002 (XP) was just a massive bug fix. Office 2003 was another massive bug fix. Office 2007 was a massive bug injection. Office 2010 was another massive bug injection. Say what you want but (like Windows XP) Office 2003 was the most stable version of the product they ever released. IMHO Windows 2007 has achieved that "very stable" status and I am now moving all my machines to Windows 2007. IMHO Office 2007 has not reached that status. They never fixed the bugs before they released Office 2010, and Office 2010 added new bugs on top of the bugs introduced (and not fixed) in Office 2007. So I wait. For development Office 2003 is rock solid and stable and (mostly) just runs under Office 2007. I actually do use Office 2007 runtime because it gives me "free license" to distribute the app, but I do the dev under Office 2003 and then just test under Office 2007. John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it On 10/28/2011 9:06 AM, Mark Simms wrote: > John - there are hot-keys. In fact in my applications, I try to establish > them for the users...however, it's tricky because some appear to be > reserved. What's really needed is a lot more documentation...of course. > The RibbonX book was good, but it still (after 800+ pages !) was not enough > for me. > The problem is: there's so very few Access developers remaining that use > 2007, and even less that use 2010. > In fact, this post: > http://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forums/en/accessdev/thread/422e15f1-9a44-4e > 0c-bd1c-9b878ac12f06 > seems to indicate that those trying 2010, are going back to 2003 !! > Me ? I love the challenge of "working around" the bugs. Others ?:NO > TOLERANCE. > >> One big issue for me is the mouse centric nature of the ribbon. We >> learn and learn and learn to use >> the keyboard. Never lift your hands from the keyboard. Hot keys and >> menus accomplished that. >> Ribbons destroy that. > > From dnod at aol.com Fri Oct 28 09:39:38 2011 From: dnod at aol.com (Dean Davids) Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 10:39:38 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Convert 2007/2010 to 2003 In-Reply-To: <4EAABB90.6090102@colbyconsulting.com> References: <931F83B6ACA24D53997914B5D778E7CD@SusanHarkins> <4548CF1FB6914A5D8D9A2CF2A75EB188@SusanHarkins> <583166B70BDA4C739F306EA21ADBDCE2@abpc> <209639D70DD8483A86670FE0B849743B@abpc> <001f01cc950c$b7193350$254b99f0$@net> <4EAA312A.2090201@colbyconsulting.com> <001a01cc9572$61562e30$24028a90$@net> <4EAABB90.6090102@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <37C0EC0D-76AD-48C0-8067-B915D58A15BE@aol.com> I am right with you, John. I stuck with 97 for the longest time and will do the same now with 2003. Dean S. Davids www.cmbscorp.com 954-868-4421 On Oct 28, 2011, at 10:26 AM, jwcolby wrote: > Mark, > > I fall in the no tolerance category. I tend to love new stuff, but I also have to make a living and when things just cripple my productivity I move slowly. When bugs cripple my productivity I just wait for the bugs to go away before I go there. When they don't fix the bugs I don't go there at all. > > Office 2000 was a huge rewrite of 97, but buggy. Office 2002 (XP) was just a massive bug fix. Office 2003 was another massive bug fix. Office 2007 was a massive bug injection. Office 2010 was another massive bug injection. > > Say what you want but (like Windows XP) Office 2003 was the most stable version of the product they ever released. IMHO Windows 2007 has achieved that "very stable" status and I am now moving all my machines to Windows 2007. > > IMHO Office 2007 has not reached that status. They never fixed the bugs before they released Office 2010, and Office 2010 added new bugs on top of the bugs introduced (and not fixed) in Office 2007. > > So I wait. For development Office 2003 is rock solid and stable and (mostly) just runs under Office 2007. I actually do use Office 2007 runtime because it gives me "free license" to distribute the app, but I do the dev under Office 2003 and then just test under Office 2007. > > John W. Colby > Colby Consulting > > Reality is what refuses to go away > when you do not believe in it > > On 10/28/2011 9:06 AM, Mark Simms wrote: >> John - there are hot-keys. In fact in my applications, I try to establish >> them for the users...however, it's tricky because some appear to be >> reserved. What's really needed is a lot more documentation...of course. >> The RibbonX book was good, but it still (after 800+ pages !) was not enough >> for me. >> The problem is: there's so very few Access developers remaining that use >> 2007, and even less that use 2010. >> In fact, this post: >> http://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forums/en/accessdev/thread/422e15f1-9a44-4e >> 0c-bd1c-9b878ac12f06 >> seems to indicate that those trying 2010, are going back to 2003 !! >> Me ? I love the challenge of "working around" the bugs. Others ?:NO >> TOLERANCE. >> >>> One big issue for me is the mouse centric nature of the ribbon. We >>> learn and learn and learn to use >>> the keyboard. Never lift your hands from the keyboard. Hot keys and >>> menus accomplished that. >>> Ribbons destroy that. >> >> > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jedi at charm.net Fri Oct 28 11:31:27 2011 From: jedi at charm.net (Michael Bahr) Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 12:31:27 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [AccessD] firefox recent browse history In-Reply-To: <4EAAB7DA.4020405@colbyconsulting.com> References: <4EAAB7DA.4020405@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <1128.24.35.110.201.1319819487.squirrel@mail.expedient.net> You must be using 4.0. :-( Mike... > In previous versions of Firefox there was a drop down arrow next to the > back / forward buttons in > the address bar. That drop down would allow you to see and move directly > to a recently browsed > page. For example I go to a review, I go through 16 pages of the review, > I can then drop down this > history arrow and see the page 16 pages back and go there directly to > "reset" my location. I am now > back in that browse location and can page forward or back from that browse > location. > > Now I have to "page back" 16 times to get back to the point where I > started reading this review. > That is a huge step backwards to me in terms of convenience. > > Is that old history control available anymore? Can I get it back somehow? > > -- > John W. Colby > Colby Consulting > > Reality is what refuses to go away > when you do not believe in it > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From Lambert.Heenan at chartisinsurance.com Fri Oct 28 12:15:33 2011 From: Lambert.Heenan at chartisinsurance.com (Heenan, Lambert) Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 13:15:33 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Convert 2007/2010 to 2003 In-Reply-To: <4EAAB63A.3030705@colbyconsulting.com> References: <931F83B6ACA24D53997914B5D778E7CD@SusanHarkins><4548CF1FB6914A5D8D9A2CF2A75EB188@SusanHarkins><583166B70BDA4C739F306EA21ADBDCE2@abpc> <0EB08D1696724FCEBA144E94F568E064@SusanHarkins> <4eaaa121.1b08650a.6e69.ffffcca3@mx.google.com> <4EAAB63A.3030705@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: Mozilla has taken a leaf out of the Chrome book. To access a tab's history list click the back or forward arrows and hold the mouse button down. After a moment or two you will see the list of sites you can choose from. Lambert -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: Friday, October 28, 2011 10:04 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Convert 2007/2010 to 2003 And when the toolbar is minimized are all of the hotkeys back? The menus actually responded to the hotkeys, dropping down the menu, pulling out the submenu items etc. A visual response to what the hotkey was doing for you (when it was menu items of course). John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it On 10/28/2011 8:33 AM, jm.hwsn wrote: > And if you're like John... an accomplished keyboard user. > Ctrl-F1 will also minimize or maximize the ribbon. > > Jim H. > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan > Harkins > Sent: Friday, October 28, 2011 6:45 AM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Convert 2007/2010 to 2003 > > Arthur, the folks that hate the ribbon are ... they're irate and > they're very vocal. They maintain that because few people champion it > that everyone hates it. I keep saying that's not exactly true. The > people who have adjusted are just going about their work and they > don't care about those conversations. :) > > I might write about this, so thanks for the reminder. I've mentioned > it on the blog before, but can't hurt to mention it again. Another > good one is minimizing the ribbon -- that's one of the biggest > complaints -- that the ribbon takes up so much room. A quick > double-click to a tab minimizes and maximizes it. The ^ sign at the > right border does the same thing. Kind of beats the drop and drag > stuff anyday, but people like what they're use to. I > > don't blame them for not being thrilled about the move to the ribbon, > but ... it is what it is. It's here, it's staying. > > Susan H. > > >> Something I only recently (last month) discovered, and by accident: >> if you hover the mouse over the ribbon and then use the wheel, you >> can scroll (as it were) through all the ribbon options soooo quickly. >> This I think is totally cool. If you didn't already know this, try >> it. Just hover the mouse over the ribbon bar and then use its wheel >> and wow! Of course, that's just my opinion, it's only Rock and Roll >> but I like it. > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Fri Oct 28 12:51:16 2011 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 13:51:16 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Office 2010 outlook Message-ID: <4EAAEB94.2010806@colbyconsulting.com> Does this not have an object library? I program to the Outlook library. I have 2003 installed and 2010 installed. BOTH outlooks appear to be installed although in the past the install clearly prevented this and actively uninstalled the other, if you know what I mean. In Access code references I have Microsoft Outlook 11.0 object library checked, and I get no compile errors but it gives an error if I try to run the code. 11.0 reference says it is in the 2003 install directory. I don't find another outlook object library at all although Outlook 2010 actually runs. Is this a reinstall thing? -- John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it From marksimms at verizon.net Fri Oct 28 12:52:41 2011 From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms) Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 13:52:41 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Convert 2007/2010 to 2003 In-Reply-To: <4EAABB90.6090102@colbyconsulting.com> References: <931F83B6ACA24D53997914B5D778E7CD@SusanHarkins><4548CF1FB6914A5D8D9A2CF2A75EB188@SusanHarkins><583166B70BDA4C739F306EA21ADBDCE2@abpc> <209639D70DD8483A86670FE0B849743B@abpc> <001f01cc950c$b7193350$254b99f0$@net> <4EAA312A.2090201@colbyconsulting.com> <001a01cc9572$61562e30$24028a90$@net> <4EAABB90.6090102@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <005701cc959a$6409ae40$2c1d0ac0$@net> John - I've done all I can to move Microsoft into the direction of quality with their products. Their corporate "culture" seems to be running against this concept. This would explain why their stock price has languished for a decade. Bill Gates started with the philosophy of writing it so it was "good enough, not perfect". Unfortunately, the "good enough" standard at MSFT is now very much lower than when he was in charge. From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Fri Oct 28 12:53:02 2011 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 13:53:02 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Further to outlook problem Message-ID: <4EAAEBFE.1080603@colbyconsulting.com> Mapi32.dll is corrupt ot wrong version. -- John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it From ssharkins at gmail.com Fri Oct 28 13:01:02 2011 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 14:01:02 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Office 2010 outlook References: <4EAAEB94.2010806@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: You can't install two versions of Outlook on the same system. Susan H. > Does this not have an object library? I program to the Outlook library. > I have 2003 installed and 2010 installed. BOTH outlooks appear to be > installed although in the past the install clearly prevented this and > actively uninstalled the other, if you know what I mean. > > In Access code references I have Microsoft Outlook 11.0 object library > checked, and I get no compile errors but it gives an error if I try to run > the code. 11.0 reference says it is in the 2003 install directory. I > don't find another outlook object library at all although Outlook 2010 > actually runs. > > Is this a reinstall thing? From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Fri Oct 28 13:37:52 2011 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 14:37:52 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Office 2010 outlook In-Reply-To: References: <4EAAEB94.2010806@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <4EAAF680.6030604@colbyconsulting.com> I got news for ya... the install is not doing its job. John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it On 10/28/2011 2:01 PM, Susan Harkins wrote: > You can't install two versions of Outlook on the same system. > > Susan H. > > >> Does this not have an object library? I program to the Outlook library. I have 2003 installed and >> 2010 installed. BOTH outlooks appear to be installed although in the past the install clearly >> prevented this and actively uninstalled the other, if you know what I mean. >> >> In Access code references I have Microsoft Outlook 11.0 object library checked, and I get no >> compile errors but it gives an error if I try to run the code. 11.0 reference says it is in the >> 2003 install directory. I don't find another outlook object library at all although Outlook 2010 >> actually runs. >> >> Is this a reinstall thing? > From ssharkins at gmail.com Fri Oct 28 13:55:38 2011 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 14:55:38 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Office 2010 outlook References: <4EAAEB94.2010806@colbyconsulting.com> <4EAAF680.6030604@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <4C73E508C6D8402DA84E078112A0B18E@SusanHarkins> It shouldn't give you an option to install a new version while keeping the old one -- did it do that? It's been so long ago, I don't really recall, but the cold hard fact is, you can't run two versions on the same system. I'd uninstall both and start over. Susan H. >I got news for ya... > > the install is not doing its job. > > John W. Colby > Colby Consulting > > Reality is what refuses to go away > when you do not believe in it > > On 10/28/2011 2:01 PM, Susan Harkins wrote: >> You can't install two versions of Outlook on the same system. >> >> Susan H. >> From john at winhaven.net Fri Oct 28 15:14:02 2011 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 15:14:02 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Office 2010 outlook In-Reply-To: <4C73E508C6D8402DA84E078112A0B18E@SusanHarkins> References: <4EAAEB94.2010806@colbyconsulting.com> <4EAAF680.6030604@colbyconsulting.com> <4C73E508C6D8402DA84E078112A0B18E@SusanHarkins> Message-ID: <032701cc95ae$229bb660$67d32320$@winhaven.net> You're right Susan. I've tried to keep the old version and it wouldn't allow it. I'm guessing JC has got a botched install or uninstall. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins Sent: Friday, October 28, 2011 1:56 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Office 2010 outlook It shouldn't give you an option to install a new version while keeping the old one -- did it do that? It's been so long ago, I don't really recall, but the cold hard fact is, you can't run two versions on the same system. I'd uninstall both and start over. Susan H. >I got news for ya... > > the install is not doing its job. > > John W. Colby > Colby Consulting > > Reality is what refuses to go away > when you do not believe in it > > On 10/28/2011 2:01 PM, Susan Harkins wrote: >> You can't install two versions of Outlook on the same system. >> >> Susan H. >> -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Lambert.Heenan at chartisinsurance.com Fri Oct 28 15:37:34 2011 From: Lambert.Heenan at chartisinsurance.com (Heenan, Lambert) Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 16:37:34 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] firefox recent browse history In-Reply-To: <1128.24.35.110.201.1319819487.squirrel@mail.expedient.net> References: <4EAAB7DA.4020405@colbyconsulting.com> <1128.24.35.110.201.1319819487.squirrel@mail.expedient.net> Message-ID: Mozilla has taken a leaf out of the Chrome book. To access a tab's history list click the back or forward arrows and hold the mouse button down. After a moment or two you will see the list of sites you can choose from. Lambert -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Michael Bahr Sent: Friday, October 28, 2011 12:31 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] firefox recent browse history You must be using 4.0. :-( Mike... > In previous versions of Firefox there was a drop down arrow next to > the back / forward buttons in the address bar. That drop down would > allow you to see and move directly to a recently browsed page. For > example I go to a review, I go through 16 pages of the review, I can > then drop down this history arrow and see the page 16 pages back and > go there directly to "reset" my location. I am now back in that > browse location and can page forward or back from that browse > location. > > Now I have to "page back" 16 times to get back to the point where I > started reading this review. > That is a huge step backwards to me in terms of convenience. > > Is that old history control available anymore? Can I get it back somehow? > > -- > John W. Colby > Colby Consulting > > Reality is what refuses to go away > when you do not believe in it > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Fri Oct 28 17:48:48 2011 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2011 08:48:48 +1000 Subject: [AccessD] Convert 2007/2010 to 2003 In-Reply-To: <4EAABB90.6090102@colbyconsulting.com> References: <931F83B6ACA24D53997914B5D778E7CD@SusanHarkins>, <001a01cc9572$61562e30$24028a90$@net>, <4EAABB90.6090102@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <4EAB3150.17412.135E85A8@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Hear, Hear! -- Stuart On 28 Oct 2011 at 10:26, jwcolby wrote: > Mark, > > I fall in the no tolerance category. I tend to love new stuff, but I > also have to make a living and when things just cripple my > productivity I move slowly. When bugs cripple my productivity I just > wait for the bugs to go away before I go there. When they don't fix > the bugs I don't go there at all. > > Office 2000 was a huge rewrite of 97, but buggy. Office 2002 (XP) was > just a massive bug fix. Office 2003 was another massive bug fix. > Office 2007 was a massive bug injection. Office 2010 was another > massive bug injection. > > Say what you want but (like Windows XP) Office 2003 was the most > stable version of the product they ever released. IMHO Windows 2007 > has achieved that "very stable" status and I am now moving all my > machines to Windows 2007. > > IMHO Office 2007 has not reached that status. They never fixed the > bugs before they released Office 2010, and Office 2010 added new bugs > on top of the bugs introduced (and not fixed) in Office 2007. > > So I wait. For development Office 2003 is rock solid and stable and > (mostly) just runs under Office 2007. I actually do use Office 2007 > runtime because it gives me "free license" to distribute the app, but > I do the dev under Office 2003 and then just test under Office 2007. > > John W. Colby > Colby Consulting > > Reality is what refuses to go away > when you do not believe in it > > On 10/28/2011 9:06 AM, Mark Simms wrote: > > John - there are hot-keys. In fact in my applications, I try to > > establish them for the users...however, it's tricky because some > > appear to be reserved. What's really needed is a lot more > > documentation...of course. The RibbonX book was good, but it still > > (after 800+ pages !) was not enough for me. The problem is: there's > > so very few Access developers remaining that use 2007, and even less > > that use 2010. In fact, this post: > > http://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forums/en/accessdev/thread/422e15f1 > > -9a44-4e 0c-bd1c-9b878ac12f06 seems to indicate that those trying > > 2010, are going back to 2003 !! Me ? I love the challenge of > > "working around" the bugs. Others ?:NO TOLERANCE. > > > >> One big issue for me is the mouse centric nature of the ribbon. We > >> learn and learn and learn to use the keyboard. Never lift your > >> hands from the keyboard. Hot keys and menus accomplished that. > >> Ribbons destroy that. > > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From kismert at gmail.com Fri Oct 28 18:20:06 2011 From: kismert at gmail.com (Kenneth Ismert) Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 18:20:06 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Convert 2007/2010 to 2003 Message-ID: > > Asger Blond: > Intuition was the main reason for Microsoft when replacing the old menu UI > with the ribbon UI. > As a *design idea* the ribbon UI may be good. But as *implemented* it is > just awful - i.e. the opposite of its idea: it's untidy, not intuitive. > This is not special for Access - the implementation is just as careless in > Excel. > With the ribbon, Microsoft completely catered to new users at the expense of its huge existing base. The more of an Office power user you are, the harder the transition is. But the real poke in the eye is that they didn't even bother to provide a transition tool -- something that would let you pick an option in the old menu structure, then dynamically show it's new location in the ribbon. Does such a utility exist? From kismert at gmail.com Fri Oct 28 18:22:44 2011 From: kismert at gmail.com (Kenneth Ismert) Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 18:22:44 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] firefox recent browse history Message-ID: > > jwcolby > ... > Is that old history control available anymore? Can I get it back somehow? > In my Firefox 7 instance, I can right-click on the 'Forward' and 'Back' buttons, and get a history dropdown. Does this fit the bill? From ab-mi at post3.tele.dk Fri Oct 28 19:24:07 2011 From: ab-mi at post3.tele.dk (Asger Blond) Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2011 02:24:07 +0200 Subject: [AccessD] Convert 2007/2010 to 2003 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4BE155FDE4914E34A8EAADD1B7C72182@abpc> Several utilities exist for this. I.e.: http://www.addintools.com/english/menuoffice/ Asger -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Kenneth Ismert Sendt: 29. oktober 2011 01:20 Til: accessd at databaseadvisors.com Emne: Re: [AccessD] Convert 2007/2010 to 2003 > > Asger Blond: > Intuition was the main reason for Microsoft when replacing the old menu UI > with the ribbon UI. > As a *design idea* the ribbon UI may be good. But as *implemented* it is > just awful - i.e. the opposite of its idea: it's untidy, not intuitive. > This is not special for Access - the implementation is just as careless in > Excel. > With the ribbon, Microsoft completely catered to new users at the expense of its huge existing base. The more of an Office power user you are, the harder the transition is. But the real poke in the eye is that they didn't even bother to provide a transition tool -- something that would let you pick an option in the old menu structure, then dynamically show it's new location in the ribbon. Does such a utility exist? -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From ab-mi at post3.tele.dk Fri Oct 28 19:41:16 2011 From: ab-mi at post3.tele.dk (Asger Blond) Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2011 02:41:16 +0200 Subject: [AccessD] Convert 2007/2010 to 2003 In-Reply-To: <4EAA312A.2090201@colbyconsulting.com> References: <931F83B6ACA24D53997914B5D778E7CD@SusanHarkins><4548CF1FB6914A5D8D9A2CF2A75EB188@SusanHarkins><583166B70BDA4C739F306EA21ADBDCE2@abpc><209639D70DD8483A86670FE0B849743B@abpc><001f01cc950c$b7193350$254b99f0$@net> <4EAA312A.2090201@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: You can sure use hot keys in 2007/2010: Press Alt key, then press the shown keys on the ribbon. Also you are free to add all "old" features by adding them to the "Quick Access Toolbar" on the top of our Office screen. That's great. What I was complaining was not the ribbon UI *per se*, but its *sloppy* implementation in Office 2007/2010. Asger -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af jwcolby Sendt: 28. oktober 2011 06:36 Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Emne: Re: [AccessD] Convert 2007/2010 to 2003 One big issue for me is the mouse centric nature of the ribbon. We learn and learn and learn to use the keyboard. Never lift your hands from the keyboard. Hot keys and menus accomplished that. Ribbons destroy that. John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it On 10/27/2011 8:58 PM, Mark Simms wrote: > This is the big problem with the ribbon, but if you use it long enough, > Knowing which tab to hit gets to be second-hand. > >> By intuition, which tab would you choose? Insert - nope! >> Formulas - nope! Data - nope! View - off cause!!! >> You want to insert a new worksheet. Which tab would you choose? Insert >> - nope! Just to help you I'll tell it's on the Home tab ... so then in >> which command group would you expect to find something like "insert a > > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From kvanhuss at airrsystem.com Fri Oct 28 20:58:10 2011 From: kvanhuss at airrsystem.com (Kenneth W Van Huss) Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 20:58:10 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Excel Subtotal from Access/VBA Message-ID: This is eating my lunch. I am trying to calculate a subtotal in an Excel spreadsheet via automation/VBA Code: Select all With ApXL .Range("A2").Select .Selection.Subtotal GroupBy:=4, Function:=xlSum, TotalList:=Array(12), _ Replace:=True, PageBreaks:=False, SummaryBelowData:=True .ActiveSheet.Outline.ShowLevels RowLevels:=2 .Columns("L:L").Style = "Currency" .Rows("1:1").Font.Bold = True End With I keep getting an error on the ".Selection.sub . .." line. The error message is "The command could not be completed by using the range specified. Select a single cell within the range and try the command again." Any help is greatly appreciated. Ken From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Fri Oct 28 21:51:18 2011 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 22:51:18 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] firefox recent browse history In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4EAB6A26.4070706@colbyconsulting.com> Yes, that is exactly what I was looking for. There used to be a dedicated down arrow control which was removed. I never tried to right click the arrow buttons. Thanks! John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it On 10/28/2011 7:22 PM, Kenneth Ismert wrote: >> >> jwcolby >> ... >> Is that old history control available anymore? Can I get it back somehow? >> > > In my Firefox 7 instance, I can right-click on the 'Forward' and 'Back' > buttons, and get a history dropdown. > > Does this fit the bill? From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Fri Oct 28 21:54:59 2011 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 22:54:59 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] firefox recent browse history In-Reply-To: <1128.24.35.110.201.1319819487.squirrel@mail.expedient.net> References: <4EAAB7DA.4020405@colbyconsulting.com> <1128.24.35.110.201.1319819487.squirrel@mail.expedient.net> Message-ID: <4EAB6B03.1000902@colbyconsulting.com> Nope, 7.0.1. And two right answers so far, Right click the arrows or Click and hold the arrows I never tried either of those things. Thanks guys! John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it On 10/28/2011 12:31 PM, Michael Bahr wrote: > You must be using 4.0. :-( > > Mike... > >> In previous versions of Firefox there was a drop down arrow next to the >> back / forward buttons in >> the address bar. That drop down would allow you to see and move directly >> to a recently browsed >> page. For example I go to a review, I go through 16 pages of the review, >> I can then drop down this >> history arrow and see the page 16 pages back and go there directly to >> "reset" my location. I am now >> back in that browse location and can page forward or back from that browse >> location. >> >> Now I have to "page back" 16 times to get back to the point where I >> started reading this review. >> That is a huge step backwards to me in terms of convenience. >> >> Is that old history control available anymore? Can I get it back somehow? >> >> -- >> John W. Colby >> Colby Consulting >> >> Reality is what refuses to go away >> when you do not believe in it >> -- >> AccessD mailing list >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> > > From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Fri Oct 28 21:55:51 2011 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 22:55:51 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] firefox recent browse history In-Reply-To: References: <4EAAB7DA.4020405@colbyconsulting.com> <1128.24.35.110.201.1319819487.squirrel@mail.expedient.net> Message-ID: <4EAB6B37.7040303@colbyconsulting.com> This method pins the list down which is nice. John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it On 10/28/2011 4:37 PM, Heenan, Lambert wrote: > Mozilla has taken a leaf out of the Chrome book. To access a tab's history list click the back or forward arrows and hold the mouse button down. After a moment or two you will see the list of sites you can choose from. > > Lambert > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Michael Bahr > Sent: Friday, October 28, 2011 12:31 PM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] firefox recent browse history > > You must be using 4.0. :-( > > Mike... > >> In previous versions of Firefox there was a drop down arrow next to >> the back / forward buttons in the address bar. That drop down would >> allow you to see and move directly to a recently browsed page. For >> example I go to a review, I go through 16 pages of the review, I can >> then drop down this history arrow and see the page 16 pages back and >> go there directly to "reset" my location. I am now back in that >> browse location and can page forward or back from that browse >> location. >> >> Now I have to "page back" 16 times to get back to the point where I >> started reading this review. >> That is a huge step backwards to me in terms of convenience. >> >> Is that old history control available anymore? Can I get it back somehow? >> >> -- >> John W. Colby >> Colby Consulting >> >> Reality is what refuses to go away >> when you do not believe in it >> -- >> AccessD mailing list >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From kvanhuss at airrsystem.com Fri Oct 28 22:14:13 2011 From: kvanhuss at airrsystem.com (Kenneth W Van Huss) Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 22:14:13 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Developer, programmer position available Message-ID: Drew Wutka's former boss contacted me and ask if I would let the group know that he is seeking someone to take over some of Drew's responsibility, with expanded scope including domestic and international travel. Below is a summary of the job posting: Job Duties/Functions: . Analyze requirements, design appropriate solutions, develop programs, systems, forms, and databases to fulfill the requirements and needs of the company and users at Marlow Industries. Exchange Administration. Intranet Web server Administration Job Requirements: . BS degree or equivalent technical training and certifications . Five years experience in application software development and support . Must possess adequate knowledge of script writing . Must be proficient in Microsoft Sharepoint . Excellent customer service skills including telephone techniques, listening skills, . Excellent interpersonal and communication skills; . Familiarity with administration and support of voice communications . Demonstrated problem solving and work prioritization skills . Willing to travel, domestic and international . Due to ITAR compliance, this position requires candidates to be a U.S. Citizen, Permanent Resident Alien, or Protected Individual per 8 U.S.C. 1324b(a)(3). Marlow is an Equal Opportunity Employer Position is located in Dallas. I worked for Marlow way back in 2001 and they are good company. If I can help, please feel free to contact me. Kenneth Van Huss From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Fri Oct 28 22:22:35 2011 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 23:22:35 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] OK so Windows 7 has issues too Message-ID: <4EAB717B.5090508@colbyconsulting.com> :) Actually I am not sure where the problem lies. I am trying to see all the machines on my network. This is a workgroup and everyone except my UnRaid Linux server (Tower) belong to the same workgroup. 1) In my 2008R2 server (Hyper-V server) I see 12 machines if you ignore the tsclient. This includes Tower and three VMs. 2) In Azul (Windows 2008) I see 12 machines - same as 1 above. 3) In my new Windows 7 Home premium I see 7 machines. Missing are Azul (Windows 2008), both HTPC machines (also Windows 7), one of my VMs (Windows 2003) and both windows xp machines. 4) In a Windows 7 Professional VM I see 7 machines. Missing are the Windows 7 HTPCs and the two XP machines. I found something (very crude) that would find every IP address on the network and from my new laptop everything does show up, and I can ping everything but everything does not show in the network map. Another PFM thing going on here. If I know the computer name I can remote desktop in to all of them (except the Windows 7 home machines of course) so everything is definitely out there, just not visible. that kinda sucks because I often share and push files around to machines based on the shares. That just made me wonder if the machines that are missing might not have any shares or something. But why do both Server 2008 machines (on opposite physical ends of the network) see every single machine on the network, but the Windows 7 Home laptop plugged into the same switch as the Hyper-v Server 2008 machine only show 7 machines? Sing it, with gusto..,. This is the stuff, That drives me crazy... -- John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Fri Oct 28 22:47:40 2011 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 20:47:40 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Excel Subtotal from Access/VBA In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1A2047344CAF4AB49F6F01E2179A00BB@HAL9007> I'm not sure what's going on there but I always use the macro recorder in Excel, and crib the code it generates into my VBA. I'd try that. Rocky -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kenneth W Van Huss Sent: Friday, October 28, 2011 6:58 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: [AccessD] Excel Subtotal from Access/VBA This is eating my lunch. I am trying to calculate a subtotal in an Excel spreadsheet via automation/VBA Code: Select all With ApXL .Range("A2").Select .Selection.Subtotal GroupBy:=4, Function:=xlSum, TotalList:=Array(12), _ Replace:=True, PageBreaks:=False, SummaryBelowData:=True .ActiveSheet.Outline.ShowLevels RowLevels:=2 .Columns("L:L").Style = "Currency" .Rows("1:1").Font.Bold = True End With I keep getting an error on the ".Selection.sub . .." line. The error message is "The command could not be completed by using the range specified. Select a single cell within the range and try the command again." Any help is greatly appreciated. Ken -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From ssharkins at gmail.com Sat Oct 29 07:53:25 2011 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2011 08:53:25 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Excel Subtotal from Access/VBA References: <1A2047344CAF4AB49F6F01E2179A00BB@HAL9007> Message-ID: <195DB2AFE1A6421A9BA9B677DC7DFF19@SusanHarkins> Is Subtotal a range name or an reserved object name? If a named range, it might not like that -- it's probably a reserved word. Never done subtotaling with VBA, so don't even know the object model for that. Susan H. > I'm not sure what's going on there but I always use the macro recorder in > Excel, and crib the code it generates into my VBA. I'd try that. > > > .Selection.Subtotal GroupBy:=4, Function:=xlSum, > TotalList:=Array(12), _ From marksimms at verizon.net Sat Oct 29 09:14:19 2011 From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms) Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2011 10:14:19 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Excel Subtotal from Access/VBA In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <004801cc9645$0d1ff610$275fe230$@net> Just reference the entire worksheet (change activesheet below to worksheets("whatever") if required). My notes on this function indicate to put a Application.DisplayAlerts=False statement in there too. > > With ApXL > > .ActiveSheet.Subtotal GroupBy:=4, Function:=xlSum, > TotalList:=Array(12), _ > > Replace:=True, PageBreaks:=False, SummaryBelowData:=True > > .ActiveSheet.Outline.ShowLevels RowLevels:=2 > > .Columns("L:L").Style = "Currency" > > .Rows("1:1").Font.Bold = True > From charlotte.foust at gmail.com Sat Oct 29 12:55:58 2011 From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust) Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2011 10:55:58 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] OK so Windows 7 has issues too In-Reply-To: <4EAB717B.5090508@colbyconsulting.com> References: <4EAB717B.5090508@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: I don't know the answer, John, but it may be the version. The home versions of Windows seem to have all sorts of unexpected limitations on networking and sharing, which is why I always run the Professional versions. Charlotte Foust On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 8:22 PM, jwcolby wrote: > :) > > Actually I am not sure where the problem lies. I am trying to see all the > machines on my network. This is a workgroup and everyone except my UnRaid > Linux server (Tower) belong to the same workgroup. > > 1) In my 2008R2 server (Hyper-V server) I see 12 machines if you ignore > the tsclient. This includes Tower and three VMs. > > 2) In Azul (Windows 2008) I see 12 machines - same as 1 above. > > 3) In my new Windows 7 Home premium I see 7 machines. Missing are Azul > (Windows 2008), both HTPC machines (also Windows 7), one of my VMs (Windows > 2003) and both windows xp machines. > > 4) In a Windows 7 Professional VM I see 7 machines. Missing are the > Windows 7 HTPCs and the two XP machines. > > I found something (very crude) that would find every IP address on the > network and from my new laptop everything does show up, and I can ping > everything but everything does not show in the network map. Another PFM > thing going on here. > > If I know the computer name I can remote desktop in to all of them (except > the Windows 7 home machines of course) so everything is definitely out > there, just not visible. that kinda sucks because I often share and push > files around to machines based on the shares. > > That just made me wonder if the machines that are missing might not have > any shares or something. But why do both Server 2008 machines (on opposite > physical ends of the network) see every single machine on the network, but > the Windows 7 Home laptop plugged into the same switch as the Hyper-v > Server 2008 machine only show 7 machines? > > Sing it, with gusto..,. > > This is the stuff, > That drives me crazy... > > -- > John W. Colby > Colby Consulting > > Reality is what refuses to go away > when you do not believe in it > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/accessd > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.**com > > > From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Sat Oct 29 13:10:29 2011 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2011 14:10:29 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] OK so Windows 7 has issues too In-Reply-To: References: <4EAB717B.5090508@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <4EAC4195.3000602@colbyconsulting.com> >The home versions of Windows seem to have all sorts of unexpected limitations on networking and sharing, which is why I always run the Professional versions. I hear ya and I would love to. As it happens I got 3 copies of the home version for $150. I have two HTPC machines and three laptops which I am upgrading to Windows 7. To put the pro version on all of those would be a tad expensive, and they don't really need it. John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it On 10/29/2011 1:55 PM, Charlotte Foust wrote: > I don't know the answer, John, but it may be the version. The home > versions of Windows seem to have all sorts of unexpected limitations on > networking and sharing, which is why I always run the Professional versions. > > Charlotte Foust > > On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 8:22 PM, jwcolbywrote: > >> :) >> >> Actually I am not sure where the problem lies. I am trying to see all the >> machines on my network. This is a workgroup and everyone except my UnRaid >> Linux server (Tower) belong to the same workgroup. >> >> 1) In my 2008R2 server (Hyper-V server) I see 12 machines if you ignore >> the tsclient. This includes Tower and three VMs. >> >> 2) In Azul (Windows 2008) I see 12 machines - same as 1 above. >> >> 3) In my new Windows 7 Home premium I see 7 machines. Missing are Azul >> (Windows 2008), both HTPC machines (also Windows 7), one of my VMs (Windows >> 2003) and both windows xp machines. >> >> 4) In a Windows 7 Professional VM I see 7 machines. Missing are the >> Windows 7 HTPCs and the two XP machines. >> >> I found something (very crude) that would find every IP address on the >> network and from my new laptop everything does show up, and I can ping >> everything but everything does not show in the network map. Another PFM >> thing going on here. >> >> If I know the computer name I can remote desktop in to all of them (except >> the Windows 7 home machines of course) so everything is definitely out >> there, just not visible. that kinda sucks because I often share and push >> files around to machines based on the shares. >> >> That just made me wonder if the machines that are missing might not have >> any shares or something. But why do both Server 2008 machines (on opposite >> physical ends of the network) see every single machine on the network, but >> the Windows 7 Home laptop plugged into the same switch as the Hyper-v >> Server 2008 machine only show 7 machines? >> >> Sing it, with gusto..,. >> >> This is the stuff, >> That drives me crazy... >> >> -- >> John W. Colby >> Colby Consulting >> >> Reality is what refuses to go away >> when you do not believe in it >> -- >> AccessD mailing list >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/accessd >> >> >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.**com >> >> >> From john at winhaven.net Sat Oct 29 13:11:58 2011 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2011 13:11:58 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] OK so Windows 7 has issues too In-Reply-To: References: <4EAB717B.5090508@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <057201cc9666$406f0530$c14d0f90$@winhaven.net> Agreed. Home versions are there for a reason - to irritate us! ;o) -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2011 12:56 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] OK so Windows 7 has issues too I don't know the answer, John, but it may be the version. The home versions of Windows seem to have all sorts of unexpected limitations on networking and sharing, which is why I always run the Professional versions. From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Sat Oct 29 13:14:46 2011 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2011 14:14:46 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] OK so Windows 7 has issues too In-Reply-To: <057201cc9666$406f0530$c14d0f90$@winhaven.net> References: <4EAB717B.5090508@colbyconsulting.com> <057201cc9666$406f0530$c14d0f90$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: <4EAC4296.6060609@colbyconsulting.com> LOL. And they do a good job of it. John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it On 10/29/2011 2:11 PM, John Bartow wrote: > Agreed. Home versions are there for a reason - to irritate us! ;o) > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust > Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2011 12:56 PM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] OK so Windows 7 has issues too > > I don't know the answer, John, but it may be the version. The home versions > of Windows seem to have all sorts of unexpected limitations on networking > and sharing, which is why I always run the Professional versions. > From df.waters at comcast.net Sat Oct 29 13:16:45 2011 From: df.waters at comcast.net (Dan Waters) Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2011 13:16:45 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Need Help With a Workgroup/Password Message-ID: <000001cc9666$eb08e100$c11aa300$@comcast.net> Aaaargh! One of my customers accidentally removed me as the Admin user from their system, and I need to fix that. Either I need to get the password for another Admin user and log in to fix my authority, or I need to make myself an admin user some other way. I have a copy of the .mdw file on my PC. How do I fix this? Thanks! Dan From df.waters at comcast.net Sat Oct 29 16:06:04 2011 From: df.waters at comcast.net (Dan Waters) Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2011 16:06:04 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Need Help With a Workgroup/Password Message-ID: <000001cc967e$92554810$b6ffd830$@comcast.net> OK - I figured out what another administrator's password was so I'm set. Thanks! Dan From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Sat Oct 29 18:22:27 2011 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2011 19:22:27 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Need Help With a Workgroup/Password In-Reply-To: <000001cc967e$92554810$b6ffd830$@comcast.net> References: <000001cc967e$92554810$b6ffd830$@comcast.net> Message-ID: <4EAC8AB3.6010104@colbyconsulting.com> High security there eh? ;) John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it On 10/29/2011 5:06 PM, Dan Waters wrote: > OK - I figured out what another administrator's password was so I'm set. > > > > Thanks! > > Dan > > > > > From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Sat Oct 29 19:38:20 2011 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2011 20:38:20 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Windows can be so much fun Message-ID: <4EAC9C7C.4060906@colbyconsulting.com> I bought a laptop from a friend. The laptop was provided "Michael Laptop" as a "registered user" when it was turned on the first time (I suppose). I created my own user, deleted his etc but every time I want to install anything it says it will be registered to "Michael Laptop". I went looking through the registry for Michael Laptop and holy smoke batman, it is *everywhere*!!! Probably 50 different registry keys, perhaps a hundred, mostly "install paths" pointing to a now non-existent user roaming directory. It is no damned wonder that the registry causes so many problems. I did find two specific places where there is a key called "registered user" which I changed to my name. We shall see if that makes me the registered user. -- John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Sat Oct 29 19:44:41 2011 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2011 20:44:41 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Windows can be so much fun In-Reply-To: <4EAC9C7C.4060906@colbyconsulting.com> References: <4EAC9C7C.4060906@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <4EAC9DF9.6090309@colbyconsulting.com> I meant to say "registered owner". John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it On 10/29/2011 8:38 PM, jwcolby wrote: > I bought a laptop from a friend. The laptop was provided "Michael Laptop" as a "registered user" > when it was turned on the first time (I suppose). I created my own user, deleted his etc but every > time I want to install anything it says it will be registered to "Michael Laptop". I went looking > through the registry for Michael Laptop and holy smoke batman, it is *everywhere*!!! Probably 50 > different registry keys, perhaps a hundred, mostly "install paths" pointing to a now non-existent > user roaming directory. > > It is no damned wonder that the registry causes so many problems. > > I did find two specific places where there is a key called "registered user" which I changed to my > name. We shall see if that makes me the registered user. > From rbgajewski at roadrunner.com Sun Oct 30 08:34:27 2011 From: rbgajewski at roadrunner.com (Bob Gajewski) Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2011 09:34:27 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Send email with Word attachment from Access Message-ID: <56998FD17CC24E4C87F20B0F2B8CD9C6@7B440585K> Hi Folks I've hit a wall, and could use some direction. I have an Access 2003 application that records student course results, and on that form, I would like to be able to (1) print a certificate, (2) save the certificate as a Word 2003 document with a unique file name, and (3) email the document to the student. Note: I have Access 2003 and Word 2010 installed. I have items 1 and 2 working perfectly. My trouble is with item 3 - I just can't seem to find the right commands/syntax to open Outlook. I've been researching this for hours on Microsoft's sites and throughout the Internet ... with little success. If anyone has ideas or suggestions, they would be most appreciated. Thanks Bob Gajewski ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------- Private Sub cmdPrintCertificate_Click() Call PrintCertificate(CourseID.Column(1) & CourseDays, Trim(StudentFullNameFMLS), Format(StudentCourseStartDate, "mmmm d, yyyy"), Format(StudentCourseEndDate, "mmmm d, yyyy"), Trim(InstructorFullNameFMLS)) End Sub ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------- Private Sub cmdEmailCertificate_Click() Call EmailCertificate(CourseID.Column(1) & CourseDays, Trim(StudentFullNameFMLS), Format(StudentCourseStartDate, "mmmm d, yyyy"), Format(StudentCourseEndDate, "mmmm d, yyyy"), Trim(InstructorFullNameFMLS), CourseID.Column(2), StudentMailTo) End Sub ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------- Function PrintCertificate(varCourseCode, varStudentFullNameFMLS, varCourseStartDate, varCourseEndDate, varInstructorFullNameFMLS) ' Start Microsoft Word Dim objWord As Object Set objWord = CreateObject("Word.Application") Dim strCertificate As String strCertificate = "C:\{actual path removed for security reasons}\" & varCourseCode & ".dot" objWord.Documents.Open strCertificate objWord.Visible = True With objWord ' Move to each bookmark and insert text from the form. .ActiveDocument.Bookmarks("StudentFullNameFMLS").Select .Selection.Text = CStr(varStudentFullNameFMLS) If Not varCourseStartDate = varCourseEndDate Then .ActiveDocument.Bookmarks("CourseStartDate").Select .Selection.Text = CStr(varCourseStartDate) End If .ActiveDocument.Bookmarks("CourseEndDate").Select .Selection.Text = CStr(varCourseEndDate) End With ' Print the document in the foreground so Microsoft Word will not close until the document finishes printing. objWord.ActiveDocument.PrintOut Do While objWord.BackgroundPrintingStatus > 0 Loop ' Save the document objWord.ActiveDocument.SaveAs FileName:="C:\{actual path removed for security reasons}\Certificates\" & _ varStudentFullNameFMLS & "-" & varCourseCode & "-" & Format(varCourseEndDate, "yyyymmdd") & ".doc" ' Close the document without saving changes. objWord.ActiveDocument.Close False ' Quit Microsoft Word and release the object variable. objWord.Quit Set objWord = Nothing Exit Function End Function ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------- Function EmailCertificate(varCourseCode, varStudentFullNameFMLS, varCourseStartDate, varCourseEndDate, varInstructorFullNameFMLS, varCourseName, varStudentMailTo) ' Start Microsoft Word Dim objWord As Object Set objWord = CreateObject("Word.Application") Dim strCertificate As String strCertificate = "C:\{actual path removed for security reasons}\" & varCourseCode & ".dot" objWord.Documents.Open strCertificate objWord.Visible = True With objWord ' Move to each bookmark and insert text from the form. .ActiveDocument.Bookmarks("StudentFullNameFMLS").Select .Selection.Text = CStr(varStudentFullNameFMLS) If Not varCourseStartDate = varCourseEndDate Then .ActiveDocument.Bookmarks("CourseStartDate").Select .Selection.Text = CStr(varCourseStartDate) End If .ActiveDocument.Bookmarks("CourseEndDate").Select .Selection.Text = CStr(varCourseEndDate) End With ' Save the document objWord.ActiveDocument.SaveAs FileName:="C:\Users\{actual path removed for security reasons}\Certificates\" & _ varStudentFullNameFMLS & "-" & varCourseCode & "-" & Format(varCourseEndDate, "yyyymmdd") & ".doc" ' Send the document by email Dim bStarted As Boolean Dim oOutlookApp As Object Dim oItem As Object On Error Resume Next If Len(objWord.ActiveDocument.Path) = 0 Then 'Document has not been saved objWord.ActiveDocument.Save 'so save it End If 'see if Outlook is running and if so turn your attention there Set oOutlookApp = GetObject(, "Outlook.Application") If Err <> 0 Then 'Outlook isn't running 'So fire it up Set oOutlookApp = CreateObject("Outlook.Application") bStarted = True oOutlookApp.Visible = True End If 'Open a new e-mail message Set oItem = oOutlookApp.CreateItem() ***** This seems to be where the code fails ***** With oItem 'and add the detail to it .To = varStudentMailTo 'send to this address .Subject = "Training Certificate" 'This is the message subject .Body = "Attached is your training certificate for the " & _ varCourseName & " that you completed on " & Format(varCourseEndDate, "mmmm d, yyyy") & "." ' This is the message body text .Attachments.Add Source:=objWord.ActiveDocument.FullName '.Send .Display End With ' If the macro started Outlook, stop it again. If bStarted Then oOutlookApp.Quit End If ' Clean up Set oItem = Nothing Set oOutlookApp = Nothing ' Close the document without saving changes. objWord.ActiveDocument.Close False ' Quit Microsoft Word and release the object variable. objWord.Quit Set objWord = Nothing Exit Function End Function From jackandpat.d at gmail.com Sun Oct 30 09:04:50 2011 From: jackandpat.d at gmail.com (jack drawbridge) Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2011 10:04:50 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Send email with Word attachment from Access In-Reply-To: <56998FD17CC24E4C87F20B0F2B8CD9C6@7B440585K> References: <56998FD17CC24E4C87F20B0F2B8CD9C6@7B440585K> Message-ID: Bob, There's a sample here http://www.blueclaw-db.com/download/download_access_email_example.htm On Sun, Oct 30, 2011 at 9:34 AM, Bob Gajewski wrote: > Hi Folks > > I've hit a wall, and could use some direction. > > I have an Access 2003 application that records student course results, and > on that form, I would like to be able to (1) print a certificate, (2) save > the certificate as a Word 2003 document with a unique file name, and (3) > email the document to the student. Note: I have Access 2003 and Word 2010 > installed. > > I have items 1 and 2 working perfectly. My trouble is with item 3 - I just > can't seem to find the right commands/syntax to open Outlook. I've been > researching this for hours on Microsoft's sites and throughout the Internet > ... with little success. > > If anyone has ideas or suggestions, they would be most appreciated. > > Thanks > Bob Gajewski > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ----------------- > Private Sub cmdPrintCertificate_Click() > Call PrintCertificate(CourseID.Column(1) & CourseDays, > Trim(StudentFullNameFMLS), Format(StudentCourseStartDate, "mmmm d, yyyy"), > Format(StudentCourseEndDate, "mmmm d, yyyy"), Trim(InstructorFullNameFMLS)) > End Sub > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ----------------- > Private Sub cmdEmailCertificate_Click() > Call EmailCertificate(CourseID.Column(1) & CourseDays, > Trim(StudentFullNameFMLS), Format(StudentCourseStartDate, "mmmm d, yyyy"), > Format(StudentCourseEndDate, "mmmm d, yyyy"), Trim(InstructorFullNameFMLS), > CourseID.Column(2), StudentMailTo) > End Sub > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ----------------- > > Function PrintCertificate(varCourseCode, varStudentFullNameFMLS, > varCourseStartDate, varCourseEndDate, varInstructorFullNameFMLS) > ' Start Microsoft Word > Dim objWord As Object > Set objWord = CreateObject("Word.Application") > Dim strCertificate As String > strCertificate = "C:\{actual path removed for security reasons}\" & > varCourseCode & ".dot" > objWord.Documents.Open strCertificate > objWord.Visible = True > With objWord > ' Move to each bookmark and insert text from the form. > .ActiveDocument.Bookmarks("StudentFullNameFMLS").Select > .Selection.Text = CStr(varStudentFullNameFMLS) > If Not varCourseStartDate = varCourseEndDate Then > .ActiveDocument.Bookmarks("CourseStartDate").Select > .Selection.Text = CStr(varCourseStartDate) > End If > .ActiveDocument.Bookmarks("CourseEndDate").Select > .Selection.Text = CStr(varCourseEndDate) > End With > ' Print the document in the foreground so Microsoft Word will not close > until the document finishes printing. > objWord.ActiveDocument.PrintOut > Do While objWord.BackgroundPrintingStatus > 0 > Loop > ' Save the document > objWord.ActiveDocument.SaveAs FileName:="C:\{actual path removed for > security reasons}\Certificates\" & _ > varStudentFullNameFMLS & "-" & varCourseCode & "-" & > Format(varCourseEndDate, "yyyymmdd") & ".doc" > ' Close the document without saving changes. > objWord.ActiveDocument.Close False > ' Quit Microsoft Word and release the object variable. > objWord.Quit > Set objWord = Nothing > Exit Function > End Function > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ----------------- > Function EmailCertificate(varCourseCode, varStudentFullNameFMLS, > varCourseStartDate, varCourseEndDate, varInstructorFullNameFMLS, > varCourseName, varStudentMailTo) > ' Start Microsoft Word > Dim objWord As Object > Set objWord = CreateObject("Word.Application") > Dim strCertificate As String > strCertificate = "C:\{actual path removed for security reasons}\" & > varCourseCode & ".dot" > objWord.Documents.Open strCertificate > objWord.Visible = True > With objWord > ' Move to each bookmark and insert text from the form. > .ActiveDocument.Bookmarks("StudentFullNameFMLS").Select > .Selection.Text = CStr(varStudentFullNameFMLS) > If Not varCourseStartDate = varCourseEndDate Then > .ActiveDocument.Bookmarks("CourseStartDate").Select > .Selection.Text = CStr(varCourseStartDate) > End If > .ActiveDocument.Bookmarks("CourseEndDate").Select > .Selection.Text = CStr(varCourseEndDate) > End With > ' Save the document > objWord.ActiveDocument.SaveAs FileName:="C:\Users\{actual path removed > for security reasons}\Certificates\" & _ > varStudentFullNameFMLS & "-" & varCourseCode & "-" & > Format(varCourseEndDate, "yyyymmdd") & ".doc" > ' Send the document by email > Dim bStarted As Boolean > Dim oOutlookApp As Object > Dim oItem As Object > On Error Resume Next > If Len(objWord.ActiveDocument.Path) = 0 Then 'Document has not been > saved > objWord.ActiveDocument.Save 'so save it > End If > 'see if Outlook is running and if so turn your attention there > Set oOutlookApp = GetObject(, "Outlook.Application") > If Err <> 0 Then 'Outlook isn't running > 'So fire it up > Set oOutlookApp = CreateObject("Outlook.Application") > bStarted = True > oOutlookApp.Visible = True > End If > 'Open a new e-mail message > Set oItem = oOutlookApp.CreateItem() ***** This seems to be where the > code fails ***** > With oItem 'and add the detail to it > .To = varStudentMailTo 'send to this address > .Subject = "Training Certificate" 'This is the message subject > .Body = "Attached is your training certificate for the " & _ > varCourseName & " that you completed on " & > Format(varCourseEndDate, "mmmm d, yyyy") & "." ' This is the message body > text > .Attachments.Add Source:=objWord.ActiveDocument.FullName > '.Send > .Display > End With > ' If the macro started Outlook, stop it again. > If bStarted Then > oOutlookApp.Quit > End If > ' Clean up > Set oItem = Nothing > Set oOutlookApp = Nothing > ' Close the document without saving changes. > objWord.ActiveDocument.Close False > ' Quit Microsoft Word and release the object variable. > objWord.Quit > Set objWord = Nothing > Exit Function > End Function > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From marksimms at verizon.net Sun Oct 30 09:39:51 2011 From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms) Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2011 10:39:51 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Windows can be so much fun In-Reply-To: <4EAC9C7C.4060906@colbyconsulting.com> References: <4EAC9C7C.4060906@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <002701cc9711$c8f37b60$5ada7220$@net> The registry remains as one sensitive and complex beast. That being said, one would think that MSFT would back it up automatically with at least 5 rolling versions. Nope - only 1....and strangely they make it difficult to get to the Restore Point facility. Cleaning up the registry does help with performance, and I recommend these (in order: 1) Registry Fast 2) Win Utilities 3) CCleaner 4) Glary Utilities > > It is no damned wonder that the registry causes so many problems. > I did find two specific places where there is a key called "registered > user" which I changed to my name. We shall see if that makes me the registered user. From df.waters at comcast.net Sun Oct 30 10:49:21 2011 From: df.waters at comcast.net (Dan Waters) Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2011 10:49:21 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Need Help With a Workgroup/Password In-Reply-To: <4EAC8AB3.6010104@colbyconsulting.com> References: <000001cc967e$92554810$b6ffd830$@comcast.net> <4EAC8AB3.6010104@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <000f01cc971b$7de6ca50$79b45ef0$@comcast.net> In my system I have a permissions screen where the system owners (not IT) can set up permissions for all the users (I'm not using the complex Access user level security). When someone is set up as a System Owner, they become an Admin user, like I am. This give them the ability to create new users by adding their username to the User group, and in the background set up a randomized one-time password which is emailed to the new user. What I never expected was for one of the System Owners to uncheck me as a System Owner, which removes me as an Admin user. The System Owners are not experienced Access users - they just do what the screen lets them do. And what it no longer lets them do is remove me as a System Owner. Lesson Learned! ;-) Dan -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2011 6:22 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Need Help With a Workgroup/Password High security there eh? ;) John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it On 10/29/2011 5:06 PM, Dan Waters wrote: > OK - I figured out what another administrator's password was so I'm set. > > > > Thanks! > > Dan > > > > > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From charlotte.foust at gmail.com Sun Oct 30 12:01:48 2011 From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust) Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2011 10:01:48 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Known Bugs List in A2K7/10 In-Reply-To: <001401cc9469$6f238ee0$4d6aaca0$@gmail.com> References: <4E9E8A33.5135.61C4375@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <000901cc8eca$ac281df0$047859d0$@gmail.com> <004a01cc8f99$8944af90$9bce0eb0$@net> <001401cc9469$6f238ee0$4d6aaca0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: One of my pet peeves is that if you have another object open, like a table, you are restricted from working on other related objects but Access doesn't tell you what it's objecting to just leaves you to start closing things until you can get to where you need to be. And that wretched navigation window opens things when you merely want to look at the design and tucks them neatly into the tabs where you don't even notice them! Grrrrrrrrr Charlotte Foust On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 10:29 PM, William Benson (VBACreations.Com) < vbacreations at gmail.com> wrote: > More Ac2010 bugs. > > Hard to know whether this belongs in a thread of KNOWN bugs, but they are > certainly ACTIVE bugs. > > I am getting a message like > > [My Database Name] cannot complete this operation. You must stop the code > and try again" > > Thing is, I am not running any code. I only copied an object (like a form) > and tried to paste it with a new name in the database window. > > Furthermore, I also occasionally catch the statusbar showing me a query is > running I am not doing anything except modifying some code in design time. > > This Ac2010 seems very much like a Ghost in the Machine gone wild, and it > is > not Casper the Friendly either. > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > From gustav at cactus.dk Sun Oct 30 12:27:16 2011 From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2011 18:27:16 +0100 Subject: [AccessD] Need Help With a Workgroup/Password Message-ID: Hi Dan After too many experiences of this kind and others, we bite the bullet and sat up Active Directory with two Domain Controllers on different locations. The attitude was "how hard can it be" but it is, not because it is difficult but you have to read up the stuff, learn the rules, play nice, and follow every step rigorously. But it pays back. Whenever a computer is "created" it is joined to the AD, and the Domain Admins' group automagically become member of the local Administrators' group. /gustav >>> df.waters at comcast.net 30-10-2011 16:49 >>> In my system I have a permissions screen where the system owners (not IT) can set up permissions for all the users (I'm not using the complex Access user level security). When someone is set up as a System Owner, they become an Admin user, like I am. This give them the ability to create new users by adding their username to the User group, and in the background set up a randomized one-time password which is emailed to the new user. What I never expected was for one of the System Owners to uncheck me as a System Owner, which removes me as an Admin user. The System Owners are not experienced Access users - they just do what the screen lets them do. And what it no longer lets them do is remove me as a System Owner. Lesson Learned! ;-) Dan -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2011 6:22 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Need Help With a Workgroup/Password High security there eh? ;) John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it On 10/29/2011 5:06 PM, Dan Waters wrote: > OK - I figured out what another administrator's password was so I'm set. > > > > Thanks! > > Dan From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Sun Oct 30 12:32:18 2011 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2011 13:32:18 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Need Help With a Workgroup/Password In-Reply-To: <000f01cc971b$7de6ca50$79b45ef0$@comcast.net> References: <000001cc967e$92554810$b6ffd830$@comcast.net> <4EAC8AB3.6010104@colbyconsulting.com> <000f01cc971b$7de6ca50$79b45ef0$@comcast.net> Message-ID: <4EAD8A22.8060007@colbyconsulting.com> > The System Owners are not experienced Access users - they just do what the screen lets them do. And what it no longer lets them do is remove me as a System Owner. Lesson Learned! ;-) ROTFL. Lesson learned! John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it On 10/30/2011 11:49 AM, Dan Waters wrote: > In my system I have a permissions screen where the system owners (not IT) > can set up permissions for all the users (I'm not using the complex Access > user level security). When someone is set up as a System Owner, they become > an Admin user, like I am. This give them the ability to create new users by > adding their username to the User group, and in the background set up a > randomized one-time password which is emailed to the new user. > > What I never expected was for one of the System Owners to uncheck me as a > System Owner, which removes me as an Admin user. The System Owners are not > experienced Access users - they just do what the screen lets them do. And > what it no longer lets them do is remove me as a System Owner. Lesson > Learned! ;-) > > Dan > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby > Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2011 6:22 PM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Need Help With a Workgroup/Password > > High security there eh? > > ;) > > John W. Colby > Colby Consulting > > Reality is what refuses to go away > when you do not believe in it > > On 10/29/2011 5:06 PM, Dan Waters wrote: >> OK - I figured out what another administrator's password was so I'm set. >> >> >> >> Thanks! >> >> Dan >> >> >> >> >> From rbgajewski at roadrunner.com Sun Oct 30 12:40:03 2011 From: rbgajewski at roadrunner.com (Bob Gajewski) Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2011 13:40:03 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] FW: Send email with Word attachment from Access - SOLVED (mostly) Message-ID: <24345F6D001E4D7D97AB808CA3E81B8F@7B440585K> I've figured out the problem with opening Outlook and the new email ... The only remaining issue is to get it to automatically send without the "An application is trying to send email" security warning ... I just needed to replace: Set oItem = oOutlookApp.CreateItem() With: Set oItem = oOutlookApp.CreateItem(0) Thanks to those that responded with suggestions. Bob Gajewski -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bob Gajewski Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2011 09:34 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: [AccessD] Send email with Word attachment from Access Hi Folks I've hit a wall, and could use some direction. I have an Access 2003 application that records student course results, and on that form, I would like to be able to (1) print a certificate, (2) save the certificate as a Word 2003 document with a unique file name, and (3) email the document to the student. Note: I have Access 2003 and Word 2010 installed. I have items 1 and 2 working perfectly. My trouble is with item 3 - I just can't seem to find the right commands/syntax to open Outlook. I've been researching this for hours on Microsoft's sites and throughout the Internet ... with little success. If anyone has ideas or suggestions, they would be most appreciated. Thanks Bob Gajewski ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Private Sub cmdEmailCertificate_Click() Call EmailCertificate(CourseID.Column(1) & CourseDays, Trim(StudentFullNameFMLS), Format(StudentCourseStartDate, "mmmm d, yyyy"), Format(StudentCourseEndDate, "mmmm d, yyyy"), Trim(InstructorFullNameFMLS), CourseID.Column(2), StudentMailTo) End Sub ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Function EmailCertificate(varCourseCode, varStudentFullNameFMLS, varCourseStartDate, varCourseEndDate, varInstructorFullNameFMLS, varCourseName, varStudentMailTo) ' Start Microsoft Word Dim objWord As Object Set objWord = CreateObject("Word.Application") Dim strCertificate As String strCertificate = "C:\{actual path removed for security reasons}\" & varCourseCode & ".dot" objWord.Documents.Open strCertificate objWord.Visible = True With objWord ' Move to each bookmark and insert text from the form. .ActiveDocument.Bookmarks("StudentFullNameFMLS").Select .Selection.Text = CStr(varStudentFullNameFMLS) If Not varCourseStartDate = varCourseEndDate Then .ActiveDocument.Bookmarks("CourseStartDate").Select .Selection.Text = CStr(varCourseStartDate) End If .ActiveDocument.Bookmarks("CourseEndDate").Select .Selection.Text = CStr(varCourseEndDate) End With ' Save the document objWord.ActiveDocument.SaveAs FileName:="C:\Users\{actual path removed for security reasons}\Certificates\" & _ varStudentFullNameFMLS & "-" & varCourseCode & "-" & Format(varCourseEndDate, "yyyymmdd") & ".doc" ' Send the document by email Dim bStarted As Boolean Dim oOutlookApp As Object Dim oItem As Object On Error Resume Next If Len(objWord.ActiveDocument.Path) = 0 Then 'Document has not been saved objWord.ActiveDocument.Save 'so save it End If 'see if Outlook is running and if so turn your attention there Set oOutlookApp = GetObject(, "Outlook.Application") If Err <> 0 Then 'Outlook isn't running 'So fire it up Set oOutlookApp = CreateObject("Outlook.Application") bStarted = True oOutlookApp.Visible = True End If 'Open a new e-mail message Set oItem = oOutlookApp.CreateItem() ***** This seems to be where the code fails ***** With oItem 'and add the detail to it .To = varStudentMailTo 'send to this address .Subject = "Training Certificate" 'This is the message subject .Body = "Attached is your training certificate for the " & _ varCourseName & " that you completed on " & Format(varCourseEndDate, "mmmm d, yyyy") & "." ' This is the message body text .Attachments.Add Source:=objWord.ActiveDocument.FullName '.Send .Display End With ' If the macro started Outlook, stop it again. If bStarted Then oOutlookApp.Quit End If ' Clean up Set oItem = Nothing Set oOutlookApp = Nothing ' Close the document without saving changes. objWord.ActiveDocument.Close False ' Quit Microsoft Word and release the object variable. objWord.Quit Set objWord = Nothing Exit Function End Function From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Sun Oct 30 12:45:02 2011 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2011 13:45:02 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Windows can be so much fun In-Reply-To: <002701cc9711$c8f37b60$5ada7220$@net> References: <4EAC9C7C.4060906@colbyconsulting.com> <002701cc9711$c8f37b60$5ada7220$@net> Message-ID: <4EAD8D1E.4000206@colbyconsulting.com> And after changing the "Mike laptop" to jwc in about 50 places, the system booted slooooooowly and refused to shut down. I rolled back, restoring the registry and I am back. Whew! All I did this time was replace the "Registered User" with my name. Another lesson learned. I am really loving Windows 7 and my Seagate Momentus XT drive. Between the two I am at the login prompt is about 25 seconds and at the desktop and stable in about 50 seconds. That is nothing short of amazing. John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it On 10/30/2011 10:39 AM, Mark Simms wrote: > The registry remains as one sensitive and complex beast. > That being said, one would think that MSFT would back it up automatically > with at least 5 rolling versions. > Nope - only 1....and strangely they make it difficult to get to the Restore > Point facility. > Cleaning up the registry does help with performance, and I recommend these > (in order: > 1) Registry Fast > 2) Win Utilities > 3) CCleaner > 4) Glary Utilities > > >> >> It is no damned wonder that the registry causes so many problems. >> I did find two specific places where there is a key called "registered >> user" which I changed to my name. We shall see if that makes me the > registered user. > > From vbacreations at gmail.com Sun Oct 30 12:53:35 2011 From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson) Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2011 13:53:35 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Known Bugs List in A2K7/10 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: That's kind of you to say but I did try once to get familiar with the newer VB (2008). I just don't .GET .NET On Oct 20, 2011 4:03 AM, "Gustav Brock" wrote: > Hi William > > Don't say that. As a matter of fact with knowledge like yours, getting > started with Visual Studio is more a question about available time and > patience to pass the first steps of the learning curve - then it is forward > (no ending point). > > /gustav > > > >>> vbacreations at gmail.com 20-10-2011 03:46 >>> > >> .Net, C#, and Visual Studio. > I wish I had the intelligence to pick up something new... don't... > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock > Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2011 4:15 AM > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Known Bugs List in A2K7/10 > > Hi Mark and Darry and ... > > Oh my, what a frightening thread. You guys and Charlotte really scare one > from ever touching development in Access 2007 or 2010. > I never moved beyond 2003 ... then took a sharp right (pun and pun > intended!) turn to .Net, C#, and Visual Studio. > > /gustav > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From marksimms at verizon.net Sun Oct 30 15:01:34 2011 From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms) Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2011 16:01:34 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Windows can be so much fun In-Reply-To: <4EAD8D1E.4000206@colbyconsulting.com> References: <4EAC9C7C.4060906@colbyconsulting.com> <002701cc9711$c8f37b60$5ada7220$@net> <4EAD8D1E.4000206@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <000001cc973e$b9e06840$2da138c0$@net> John- I am really glad those Momentus Drives are working out. I purchased an OCZ SSD and it too is amazing. Unfortunately, my choice of an MSI motherboard with AMD processor was not a good one. It has a built-in ATI Radeon display adapter. The drivers are faulty to the point where if you utilize the power saving feature of shutting off the monitor, it will not come back on for a whole minute ! To say this is annoying is an understatement. Attempts to get this rectified on the MSI Forums just resulted in nasty-grams from the administrators. They threaten to shut down my account if I keep double-posting my issues At this point, and all of this hassle....I do not recommend MSI or AMD products. I was once a big fan of AMD....no more. > I am really loving Windows 7 and my Seagate Momentus XT drive. Between > the two I am at the login > prompt is about 25 seconds and at the desktop and stable in about 50 > seconds. That is nothing short > of amazing. From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Sun Oct 30 15:21:12 2011 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2011 16:21:12 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Windows can be so much fun In-Reply-To: <000001cc973e$b9e06840$2da138c0$@net> References: <4EAC9C7C.4060906@colbyconsulting.com> <002701cc9711$c8f37b60$5ada7220$@net> <4EAD8D1E.4000206@colbyconsulting.com> <000001cc973e$b9e06840$2da138c0$@net> Message-ID: <4EADB1B8.2080605@colbyconsulting.com> What is the board / processor? John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it On 10/30/2011 4:01 PM, Mark Simms wrote: > John- I am really glad those Momentus Drives are working out. I purchased an > OCZ SSD and it too is amazing. > Unfortunately, my choice of an MSI motherboard with AMD processor was not a > good one. > It has a built-in ATI Radeon display adapter. The drivers are faulty to the > point where if you utilize the power saving feature of shutting off the > monitor, it will not come back on for a whole minute ! > To say this is annoying is an understatement. > Attempts to get this rectified on the MSI Forums just resulted in > nasty-grams from the administrators. > They threaten to shut down my account if I keep double-posting my issues > At this point, and all of this hassle....I do not recommend MSI or AMD > products. > I was once a big fan of AMD....no more. > >> I am really loving Windows 7 and my Seagate Momentus XT drive. Between >> the two I am at the login >> prompt is about 25 seconds and at the desktop and stable in about 50 >> seconds. That is nothing short >> of amazing. > > From marksimms at verizon.net Sun Oct 30 17:31:44 2011 From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms) Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2011 18:31:44 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Windows can be so much fun In-Reply-To: <4EADB1B8.2080605@colbyconsulting.com> References: <4EAC9C7C.4060906@colbyconsulting.com> <002701cc9711$c8f37b60$5ada7220$@net> <4EAD8D1E.4000206@colbyconsulting.com> <000001cc973e$b9e06840$2da138c0$@net> <4EADB1B8.2080605@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <001101cc9753$b42e3a70$1c8aaf50$@net> MSI 785GTM-E45; AM2 processor Get this: the key is to get the SSD drive to operate in AHCI mode. NO CAN DO. Windows 7 just blows-up and fails to install the correct drivers. Only IDE mode works with this motherboard. Catch 22: Can't even update the SSD firmware - it must be in AHCI mode !! I'm stuck with a fast, but energy-eating monster....very frustrating. > What is the board / processor? > From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au Sun Oct 30 17:50:37 2011 From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins) Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2011 22:50:37 +0000 Subject: [AccessD] firefox recent browse history In-Reply-To: <4EAAB7DA.4020405@colbyconsulting.com> References: <4EAAB7DA.4020405@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55C8C24@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com> Hi John You have to right mouse click on the back button now. That will give you the ability to 'jump' to anywhere in the history list. Agreed it is more annoying. Took me awhile to figure that out. Cheers Darryl. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: Saturday, 29 October 2011 1:11 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: [AccessD] firefox recent browse history In previous versions of Firefox there was a drop down arrow next to the back / forward buttons in the address bar. That drop down would allow you to see and move directly to a recently browsed page. For example I go to a review, I go through 16 pages of the review, I can then drop down this history arrow and see the page 16 pages back and go there directly to "reset" my location. I am now back in that browse location and can page forward or back from that browse location. Now I have to "page back" 16 times to get back to the point where I started reading this review. That is a huge step backwards to me in terms of convenience. Is that old history control available anymore? Can I get it back somehow? -- John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Sun Oct 30 18:45:01 2011 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2011 19:45:01 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Windows can be so much fun In-Reply-To: <001101cc9753$b42e3a70$1c8aaf50$@net> References: <4EAC9C7C.4060906@colbyconsulting.com> <002701cc9711$c8f37b60$5ada7220$@net> <4EAD8D1E.4000206@colbyconsulting.com> <000001cc973e$b9e06840$2da138c0$@net> <4EADB1B8.2080605@colbyconsulting.com> <001101cc9753$b42e3a70$1c8aaf50$@net> Message-ID: <4EADE17D.1070205@colbyconsulting.com> Is this a new build? It sounds like you were aiming for a WMC system. John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it On 10/30/2011 6:31 PM, Mark Simms wrote: > MSI 785GTM-E45 From marksimms at verizon.net Sun Oct 30 21:15:02 2011 From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms) Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2011 22:15:02 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Windows can be so much fun In-Reply-To: <4EADE17D.1070205@colbyconsulting.com> References: <4EAC9C7C.4060906@colbyconsulting.com> <002701cc9711$c8f37b60$5ada7220$@net> <4EAD8D1E.4000206@colbyconsulting.com> <000001cc973e$b9e06840$2da138c0$@net> <4EADB1B8.2080605@colbyconsulting.com> <001101cc9753$b42e3a70$1c8aaf50$@net> <4EADE17D.1070205@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <001801cc9772$e68f7910$b3ae6b30$@net> Yes, new build. WMC ? huh ? Looking for a decently fast development system that was cheap, that's all.... So I decided on an older, slower processor, but a fast hard drive. It's fast alright, but it's gonna cost be a fortune because it is powering a 28" monitor ! Bottomline: my guess is that the Motherboard is too old to properly support SSD. It's 2009 vintage. From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Sun Oct 30 22:00:23 2011 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2011 23:00:23 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Windows can be so much fun In-Reply-To: <001801cc9772$e68f7910$b3ae6b30$@net> References: <4EAC9C7C.4060906@colbyconsulting.com> <002701cc9711$c8f37b60$5ada7220$@net> <4EAD8D1E.4000206@colbyconsulting.com> <000001cc973e$b9e06840$2da138c0$@net> <4EADB1B8.2080605@colbyconsulting.com> <001101cc9753$b42e3a70$1c8aaf50$@net> <4EADE17D.1070205@colbyconsulting.com> <001801cc9772$e68f7910$b3ae6b30$@net> Message-ID: <4EAE0F47.5060601@colbyconsulting.com> yea, for a new build I would not go AM2. Is it too late to get send it back? If it claims to support AHCI and doesn't that is pretty much grounds. John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it On 10/30/2011 10:15 PM, Mark Simms wrote: > Yes, new build. WMC ? huh ? > Looking for a decently fast development system that was cheap, that's > all.... > So I decided on an older, slower processor, but a fast hard drive. > It's fast alright, but it's gonna cost be a fortune because it is powering a > 28" monitor ! > > Bottomline: my guess is that the Motherboard is too old to properly support > SSD. It's 2009 vintage. > > From Gustav at cactus.dk Mon Oct 31 04:06:09 2011 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2011 10:06:09 +0100 Subject: [AccessD] Beginning Visual Studio and .Net (was: Known Bugs List in A2K7/10) Message-ID: Hi William For a very fast tutorial, browse here - the JumpStart code download and the book: http://examples.oreilly.com/vbjumpstart/ http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/vbjumpstart/ Read and test the sample chapter. It' for VS2005+ and covers the basics. Remember that members of this list have the advantage to know about databases. That's what often hold back other developers. /gustav >>> vbacreations at gmail.com 30-10-2011 18:53 >>> That's kind of you to say but I did try once to get familiar with the newer VB (2008). I just don't .GET .NET On Oct 20, 2011 4:03 AM, "Gustav Brock" wrote: > Hi William > > Don't say that. As a matter of fact with knowledge like yours, getting > started with Visual Studio is more a question about available time and > patience to pass the first steps of the learning curve - then it is forward > (no ending point). > > /gustav > > > >>> vbacreations at gmail.com 20-10-2011 03:46 >>> > >> .Net, C#, and Visual Studio. > I wish I had the intelligence to pick up something new... don't... > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock > Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2011 4:15 AM > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Known Bugs List in A2K7/10 > > Hi Mark and Darry and ... > > Oh my, what a frightening thread. You guys and Charlotte really scare one > from ever touching development in Access 2007 or 2010. > I never moved beyond 2003 ... then took a sharp right (pun and pun > intended!) turn to .Net, C#, and Visual Studio. > > /gustav From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Mon Oct 31 06:57:04 2011 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2011 07:57:04 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Beginning Visual Studio and .Net (was: Known Bugs List in A2K7/10) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4EAE8D10.8010804@colbyconsulting.com> Go take a college class. That's what I did. It made me stick with it, do the homework, be there, ask questions. I am now over the hump and on my way. And if you need to do so, start with VB.net. Under the language "skin" it is all the same stuff. John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it On 10/31/2011 5:06 AM, Gustav Brock wrote: > Hi William > > For a very fast tutorial, browse here - the JumpStart code download and the book: > > http://examples.oreilly.com/vbjumpstart/ > http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/vbjumpstart/ > > Read and test the sample chapter. It' for VS2005+ and covers the basics. > Remember that members of this list have the advantage to know about databases. That's what often hold back other developers. > > /gustav > > >>>> vbacreations at gmail.com 30-10-2011 18:53>>> > That's kind of you to say but I did try once to get familiar with the newer > VB (2008). I just don't > .GET .NET > On Oct 20, 2011 4:03 AM, "Gustav Brock" wrote: > >> Hi William >> >> Don't say that. As a matter of fact with knowledge like yours, getting >> started with Visual Studio is more a question about available time and >> patience to pass the first steps of the learning curve - then it is forward >> (no ending point). >> >> /gustav >> >> >>>>> vbacreations at gmail.com 20-10-2011 03:46>>> >>>> .Net, C#, and Visual Studio. >> I wish I had the intelligence to pick up something new... don't... >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock >> Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2011 4:15 AM >> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com >> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Known Bugs List in A2K7/10 >> >> Hi Mark and Darry and ... >> >> Oh my, what a frightening thread. You guys and Charlotte really scare one >> from ever touching development in Access 2007 or 2010. >> I never moved beyond 2003 ... then took a sharp right (pun and pun >> intended!) turn to .Net, C#, and Visual Studio. >> >> /gustav > > From marksimms at verizon.net Mon Oct 31 07:12:10 2011 From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms) Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2011 08:12:10 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Windows can be so much fun In-Reply-To: <4EAE0F47.5060601@colbyconsulting.com> References: <4EAC9C7C.4060906@colbyconsulting.com> <002701cc9711$c8f37b60$5ada7220$@net> <4EAD8D1E.4000206@colbyconsulting.com> <000001cc973e$b9e06840$2da138c0$@net> <4EADB1B8.2080605@colbyconsulting.com> <001101cc9753$b42e3a70$1c8aaf50$@net> <4EADE17D.1070205@colbyconsulting.com> <001801cc9772$e68f7910$b3ae6b30$@net> <4EAE0F47.5060601@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <002d01cc97c6$51952770$f4bf7650$@net> John - I've now become the tech "poster child" for the penalties caused by "scrimpting" on technology. Bottomline: Ya can't properly mix brand new stuff (SSD, Big LCD's) and old stuff (AM2, 2009 motherboards, old chipsets, etc). Now I've got a "Frankenbuild" - HAH ! From fuller.artful at gmail.com Mon Oct 31 08:17:25 2011 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2011 09:17:25 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Windows can be so much fun In-Reply-To: <002d01cc97c6$51952770$f4bf7650$@net> References: <4EAC9C7C.4060906@colbyconsulting.com> <002701cc9711$c8f37b60$5ada7220$@net> <4EAD8D1E.4000206@colbyconsulting.com> <000001cc973e$b9e06840$2da138c0$@net> <4EADB1B8.2080605@colbyconsulting.com> <001101cc9753$b42e3a70$1c8aaf50$@net> <4EADE17D.1070205@colbyconsulting.com> <001801cc9772$e68f7910$b3ae6b30$@net> <4EAE0F47.5060601@colbyconsulting.com> <002d01cc97c6$51952770$f4bf7650$@net> Message-ID: Wow I like FrankenBuild. That is totally awesome. The software that dares not name its name. A. From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Mon Oct 31 10:38:58 2011 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2011 11:38:58 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Windows can be so much fun In-Reply-To: <002d01cc97c6$51952770$f4bf7650$@net> References: <4EAC9C7C.4060906@colbyconsulting.com> <002701cc9711$c8f37b60$5ada7220$@net> <4EAD8D1E.4000206@colbyconsulting.com> <000001cc973e$b9e06840$2da138c0$@net> <4EADB1B8.2080605@colbyconsulting.com> <001101cc9753$b42e3a70$1c8aaf50$@net> <4EADE17D.1070205@colbyconsulting.com> <001801cc9772$e68f7910$b3ae6b30$@net> <4EAE0F47.5060601@colbyconsulting.com> <002d01cc97c6$51952770$f4bf7650$@net> Message-ID: <4EAEC112.8070207@colbyconsulting.com> LOL. I have to say I have built a couple of low end systems but what I do is go shop the low end of the latest (or one step back) motherboards / processors. Today that means an AM3 motherboard and processor. Or better AM3+ motherboard and an AM3 processor. What is happening right now is that the DDR3 has crossed the "lowest average cost" threshold and replaced DDR2. I just finished replacing my VM server. I am using my old quad core but in a new AM3+ with new DDR3 ram. I spent about $180 for my motherboard and $80 for 16 gigs of ram. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131736 But I already had a low end graphics card and I already had my processor. I thought that $260 was a darned good price for a state of the art motherboard and memory. I am still hanging out waiting for the new FX series processors to solidify. I figure that the prices will start to drop as AMD admits that they don't compete against Intel at their current price point. Probably early next year AMD will release the first major update to the chip itself making it a better bargain as well. I can wait. The whole integrated graphics thing is a huge draw, believe me I know. When I built my HTPCs I used hand me downs from my old servers which had the integrated video. For that purpose it worked swimmingly. John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it On 10/31/2011 8:12 AM, Mark Simms wrote: > John - > I've now become the tech "poster child" for the penalties caused by > "scrimpting" on technology. > Bottomline: > Ya can't properly mix brand new stuff (SSD, Big LCD's) and old stuff (AM2, > 2009 motherboards, old chipsets, etc). > > Now I've got a "Frankenbuild" - HAH ! > > > From davidmcafee at gmail.com Mon Oct 31 14:14:05 2011 From: davidmcafee at gmail.com (David McAfee) Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2011 12:14:05 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Text field not editable, weird issue Message-ID: I'm experiencing something weird on a user's computer. New user (to my database app), new screen (built specifically for her). Her screen works great on my computer whether I'm logged in to the ADP as me or as her. On her computer, it seems to be stuck in a previous text box After Update event. The first text box on the screen is where she enters the PO#. Here is the code in the after update event: Private Sub txtTranNo_AfterUpdate() DoCmd.SetWarnings False Me.lstModelSumm.RowSource = "EXEC dbo.stpSelectTempMach 0" DoCmd.SetWarnings True Me.lstPoResults.RowSource = "EXEC dbo.stpPurchasedMachinesByPO '" & Me.txtTranNo & "'" If Nz(lstPoResults.Column(0, 1), "") <> "" Then Me.lstPoResults.Selected(1) = True Call PopulateFields Else Call ClearEntryFields End If End Sub I put a break point on the very first line and stepped through every line. On my computer I can click on any entry field and enter data or combo box and select a row. I can do same either logged in as her or myself on my box. On her computer (logged in as her or myself), I can step through every line, but If I click on any other control, it behaves as if those controls are locked and if the break point still exists the first line of txtTranNo_AfterUpdate() is highlighted yellow. It is like we are stuck in the after update event. Any ideas? From charlotte.foust at gmail.com Mon Oct 31 14:52:01 2011 From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust) Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2011 12:52:01 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Text field not editable, weird issue In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Since it's an ADP, I'd suggest you check on any possible permissions differences on the two machines, both directory permissions and SQL Server permissions. Charlotte Foust On Mon, Oct 31, 2011 at 12:14 PM, David McAfee wrote: > I'm experiencing something weird on a user's computer. > > New user (to my database app), new screen (built specifically for her). > > Her screen works great on my computer whether I'm logged in to the ADP as > me or as her. > > On her computer, it seems to be stuck in a previous text box After Update > event. > > The first text box on the screen is where she enters the PO#. > > Here is the code in the after update event: > > Private Sub txtTranNo_AfterUpdate() > DoCmd.SetWarnings False > Me.lstModelSumm.RowSource = "EXEC dbo.stpSelectTempMach 0" > DoCmd.SetWarnings True > Me.lstPoResults.RowSource = "EXEC dbo.stpPurchasedMachinesByPO '" & > Me.txtTranNo & "'" > If Nz(lstPoResults.Column(0, 1), "") <> "" Then > Me.lstPoResults.Selected(1) = True > Call PopulateFields > Else > Call ClearEntryFields > End If > > End Sub > > I put a break point on the very first line and stepped through every line. > > On my computer I can click on any entry field and enter data or combo box > and select a row. > > I can do same either logged in as her or myself on my box. > > On her computer (logged in as her or myself), I can step through every > line, but If I click on any other control, > it behaves as if those controls are locked and if the break point still > exists the first line of > txtTranNo_AfterUpdate() is highlighted yellow. > > It is like we are stuck in the after update event. > > Any ideas? > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > From newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz Mon Oct 31 18:00:50 2011 From: newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz (newsgrps) Date: Tue, 01 Nov 2011 12:00:50 +1300 Subject: [AccessD] Cannot open adp in Access 2010 Message-ID: <20111031230044.THAT28897.mta02.xtra.co.nz@David-PC.dalyn.co.nz> I have a number of ADP's created in Access 2002. They open fine in Access 2002. When I try to open them in a recently installed version of Access 2010 (installed on the same machine) the screen flashes and then returns to the File menu where I was trying to open the database from. The file has not opened. I can create a new ADP from Access 2010 and link to either my SQL 2000 or SQL 2008R2 databases. All the SQL objects appear in the navigation pane. If I close the new ADP and try to open it I get the same problem as above. However, I can open the newly created ADP's in Access 2002! The problem was happening before I installed Office SP1, and still persists after installing it. Does anyone else with multiple versions of access have the same problem? Regards David Emerson Dalyn Software Ltd Wellington, New Zealand From davidmcafee at gmail.com Mon Oct 31 18:18:13 2011 From: davidmcafee at gmail.com (David McAfee) Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2011 16:18:13 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Text field not editable, weird issue In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I've checked everything that I could possibly think of. I've signed on to her computer with my network credentials (admin) and it is definitely an issue on her box. I see no missing references. She has Access 2003 installed on her box (Win XP SP3) I develop in Vista / Access 2007, but in 2002-2003 file format. (The ADP was originally created in A2000) I tried putting an exit sub before the end sub. The moment any other control is touched, the after update fires for txtTranNo. It's behaving almost like if the code was in the Before Update event and I was canceling the event. I tried to set focus on another control on the very last line of the sub and I get a 2110 error (can't move focus to control txtSN) On Mon, Oct 31, 2011 at 12:52 PM, Charlotte Foust wrote: > Since it's an ADP, I'd suggest you check on any possible permissions > differences on the two machines, both directory permissions and SQL Server > permissions. > > Charlotte Foust > > On Mon, Oct 31, 2011 at 12:14 PM, David McAfee >wrote: > > > I'm experiencing something weird on a user's computer. > > > > New user (to my database app), new screen (built specifically for her). > > > > Her screen works great on my computer whether I'm logged in to the ADP as > > me or as her. > > > > On her computer, it seems to be stuck in a previous text box After Update > > event. > > > > The first text box on the screen is where she enters the PO#. > > > > Here is the code in the after update event: > > > > Private Sub txtTranNo_AfterUpdate() > > DoCmd.SetWarnings False > > Me.lstModelSumm.RowSource = "EXEC dbo.stpSelectTempMach 0" > > DoCmd.SetWarnings True > > Me.lstPoResults.RowSource = "EXEC dbo.stpPurchasedMachinesByPO '" & > > Me.txtTranNo & "'" > > If Nz(lstPoResults.Column(0, 1), "") <> "" Then > > Me.lstPoResults.Selected(1) = True > > Call PopulateFields > > Else > > Call ClearEntryFields > > End If > > > > End Sub > > > > I put a break point on the very first line and stepped through every > line. > > > > On my computer I can click on any entry field and enter data or combo box > > and select a row. > > > > I can do same either logged in as her or myself on my box. > > > > On her computer (logged in as her or myself), I can step through every > > line, but If I click on any other control, > > it behaves as if those controls are locked and if the break point still > > exists the first line of > > txtTranNo_AfterUpdate() is highlighted yellow. > > > > It is like we are stuck in the after update event. > > > > Any ideas? > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > > > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From charlotte.foust at gmail.com Mon Oct 31 18:54:28 2011 From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust) Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2011 16:54:28 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Text field not editable, weird issue In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Is this the only user or just the only one having problems? Is there a copy of the ADP on her box or is she accessing it from a network site? If the app is on her machine, have you done a decompile and recompile on the app? Once in a while breakpoints will get stuck and only recompiling will get rid of them. If you comment out all the code in that routine but leave the shell, does the application run without an error? Is the next control in the tab order one of the two you're resetting the rowsource on? Charlotte Foust On Mon, Oct 31, 2011 at 4:18 PM, David McAfee wrote: > I've checked everything that I could possibly think of. > > I've signed on to her computer with my network credentials (admin) and it > is definitely an issue on her box. > > I see no missing references. > > She has Access 2003 installed on her box (Win XP SP3) > > I develop in Vista / Access 2007, but in 2002-2003 file format. (The ADP > was originally created in A2000) > > I tried putting an exit sub before the end sub. > The moment any other control is touched, the after update fires for > txtTranNo. > > It's behaving almost like if the code was in the Before Update event and I > was canceling the event. > > I tried to set focus on another control on the very last line of the sub > and I get a 2110 error (can't move focus to control txtSN) > > > > > On Mon, Oct 31, 2011 at 12:52 PM, Charlotte Foust < > charlotte.foust at gmail.com > > wrote: > > > Since it's an ADP, I'd suggest you check on any possible permissions > > differences on the two machines, both directory permissions and SQL > Server > > permissions. > > > > Charlotte Foust > > > > On Mon, Oct 31, 2011 at 12:14 PM, David McAfee > >wrote: > > > > > I'm experiencing something weird on a user's computer. > > > > > > New user (to my database app), new screen (built specifically for her). > > > > > > Her screen works great on my computer whether I'm logged in to the ADP > as > > > me or as her. > > > > > > On her computer, it seems to be stuck in a previous text box After > Update > > > event. > > > > > > The first text box on the screen is where she enters the PO#. > > > > > > Here is the code in the after update event: > > > > > > Private Sub txtTranNo_AfterUpdate() > > > DoCmd.SetWarnings False > > > Me.lstModelSumm.RowSource = "EXEC dbo.stpSelectTempMach 0" > > > DoCmd.SetWarnings True > > > Me.lstPoResults.RowSource = "EXEC dbo.stpPurchasedMachinesByPO '" & > > > Me.txtTranNo & "'" > > > If Nz(lstPoResults.Column(0, 1), "") <> "" Then > > > Me.lstPoResults.Selected(1) = True > > > Call PopulateFields > > > Else > > > Call ClearEntryFields > > > End If > > > > > > End Sub > > > > > > I put a break point on the very first line and stepped through every > > line. > > > > > > On my computer I can click on any entry field and enter data or combo > box > > > and select a row. > > > > > > I can do same either logged in as her or myself on my box. > > > > > > On her computer (logged in as her or myself), I can step through every > > > line, but If I click on any other control, > > > it behaves as if those controls are locked and if the break point still > > > exists the first line of > > > txtTranNo_AfterUpdate() is highlighted yellow. > > > > > > It is like we are stuck in the after update event. > > > > > > Any ideas? > > > -- > > > AccessD mailing list > > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > > > > > > > > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > From newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz Mon Oct 31 20:08:41 2011 From: newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz (newsgrps) Date: Tue, 01 Nov 2011 14:08:41 +1300 Subject: [AccessD] Cannot open adp in Access 2010 - Solved In-Reply-To: <20111031230044.THAT28897.mta02.xtra.co.nz@David-PC.dalyn.c o.nz> References: <20111031230044.THAT28897.mta02.xtra.co.nz@David-PC.dalyn.co.nz> Message-ID: <20111101010833.YGOL18437.mta03.xtra.co.nz@David-PC.dalyn.co.nz> Found the problem. The VBA Source Control Add-in was trying to load (I think). When I tried to open a module from an MDB a message came up saying VBA Source was not installed. I cleared the load behaviour boxes in the Add-in Manager and the error message went away. Then when I tried to load an ADP it loaded fine. David At 1/11/2011, newsgrps wrote: >I have a number of ADP's created in Access 2002. They open fine in >Access 2002. > >When I try to open them in a recently installed version of Access >2010 (installed on the same machine) the screen flashes and then >returns to the File menu where I was trying to open the database >from. The file has not opened. > >I can create a new ADP from Access 2010 and link to either my SQL >2000 or SQL 2008R2 databases. All the SQL objects appear in the >navigation pane. If I close the new ADP and try to open it I get the >same problem as above. However, I can open the newly created ADP's >in Access 2002! > >The problem was happening before I installed Office SP1, and still >persists after installing it. > >Does anyone else with multiple versions of access have the same problem? > > >Regards > >David Emerson >Dalyn Software Ltd >Wellington, New Zealand >-- >AccessD mailing list >AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Sat Oct 1 07:37:07 2011 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Sat, 01 Oct 2011 08:37:07 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] The windows 7 upgrade experience Message-ID: <4E870973.3040301@colbyconsulting.com> I moved my 3 year old Dell M90 laptop to Windows. I purchased the Seagate Momentus XT hybrid drive (it has an SSD cache) and did a clean install of Windows 7 and started the migration. So much fun. I also installed Office 2003 and then Office 2010. Now, even though 2003 is the default when I double click an access database, if I right click in a directory and tell it to create a new database, it creates an Access 2010 database. Does anyone know where that property is stored / changed? Windows is soooooo much fun. I have to say I like Windows 7 much better than Vista. I realize it is really just Vista Service Pack 57 but it still just seems to work better. And I really like the combination of the Seagate XT drive and Windows 7 (clean install). So far it is booting to the logon in just a few seconds and from there to a usable desktop in just a few more seconds. And yea, I know that it may not stay that way after installing / uninstalling a jillion things. But for today it feels like a brand new computer. jwcolby Colby Consulting From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Sat Oct 1 07:45:50 2011 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Sat, 01 Oct 2011 08:45:50 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Strange experience Message-ID: <4E870B7E.2030605@colbyconsulting.com> As I recover from the clean install I am trying to get my billing database working again. For some reason the database container is read only. In file / properties it is read only and if I try to make any change in Access it gives me a "cannot save changes". I go into Explorer and sure enough it is readonly for the "all users". So I change it and save the changes. Go out and back in and the file is now "full control". I can now save a change to a module, and it does in fact seem to save. However one of the local tables inside of the fe had a date() default value. From the debug window date() works just fine. However if i try to add a record Jet does not understand the date() in the default property. Not only that, but after trying to save the record (and failing because jet does not understand date()) the access database is back to read only. And of course I have real work to do and really don't want to play these games. I am going to build a new fe and pull everything in and see what happens. Of course Explorer thingk I want an Access 10 container when I right click / create new database. Sigh. jwcolby Colby Consulting From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Sat Oct 1 07:54:29 2011 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Sat, 01 Oct 2011 08:54:29 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Explorer right click Message-ID: <4E870D85.7060508@colbyconsulting.com> Well it seems that when I was creating an access object in explorer (right click) I was selecting the top selection which is something 2010 related. The 2003 database object is down the list further. So that mystery solved. -- John W. Colby Colby Consulting From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Sat Oct 1 07:55:22 2011 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2011 05:55:22 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] The windows 7 upgrade experience In-Reply-To: <4E870973.3040301@colbyconsulting.com> References: <4E870973.3040301@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <4CEA3C0CF7064A63A805A47B28D4620D@HAL9007> DO you have that "Installing...." thing whenever you switch from 2003 to 2010 of vv? Rocky -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2011 5:37 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: [AccessD] The windows 7 upgrade experience I moved my 3 year old Dell M90 laptop to Windows. I purchased the Seagate Momentus XT hybrid drive (it has an SSD cache) and did a clean install of Windows 7 and started the migration. So much fun. I also installed Office 2003 and then Office 2010. Now, even though 2003 is the default when I double click an access database, if I right click in a directory and tell it to create a new database, it creates an Access 2010 database. Does anyone know where that property is stored / changed? Windows is soooooo much fun. I have to say I like Windows 7 much better than Vista. I realize it is really just Vista Service Pack 57 but it still just seems to work better. And I really like the combination of the Seagate XT drive and Windows 7 (clean install). So far it is booting to the logon in just a few seconds and from there to a usable desktop in just a few more seconds. And yea, I know that it may not stay that way after installing / uninstalling a jillion things. But for today it feels like a brand new computer. jwcolby Colby Consulting -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Sat Oct 1 08:50:59 2011 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Sat, 01 Oct 2011 09:50:59 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Object or class does not support the set of events Message-ID: <4E871AC3.60604@colbyconsulting.com> Holy cow man things just get worse and worse. In lookingup the error message in the subject I found something about having Access "run as administrator". Somehow I found and set that and now *everything* is broken. As I open Access it does the UAC thing (screen dims and asks if i want to allow the application to make changes), then Access tries to open and gives me a "There was a problem sending the command to the program.", then Access does in fact open. What have I done and how do I undo it? I cannot seem to find my back to where I set that property. Will a restore point get rid of this crap? I have billing to get done and I am broken. I have spent two hours on just this stuff and I am now further from a solution than when I started. @#$&*&*^&)(*_)(*)&*%&^#%$#!%*()&_)*_)*(!!!!! -- John W. Colby Colby Consulting From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Sat Oct 1 09:22:45 2011 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Sat, 01 Oct 2011 10:22:45 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] The windows 7 upgrade experience In-Reply-To: <4CEA3C0CF7064A63A805A47B28D4620D@HAL9007> References: <4E870973.3040301@colbyconsulting.com> <4CEA3C0CF7064A63A805A47B28D4620D@HAL9007> Message-ID: <4E872235.8010709@colbyconsulting.com> Yes. On 10/1/2011 8:55 AM, Rocky Smolin wrote: > DO you have that "Installing...." thing whenever you switch from 2003 to > 2010 of vv? > > Rocky > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby > Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2011 5:37 AM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: [AccessD] The windows 7 upgrade experience > > I moved my 3 year old Dell M90 laptop to Windows. I purchased the Seagate > Momentus XT hybrid drive (it has an SSD cache) and did a clean install of > Windows 7 and started the migration. So much fun. > > I also installed Office 2003 and then Office 2010. Now, even though 2003 is > the default when I double click an access database, if I right click in a > directory and tell it to create a new database, it creates an Access 2010 > database. > > Does anyone know where that property is stored / changed? > > Windows is soooooo much fun. > > I have to say I like Windows 7 much better than Vista. I realize it is > really just Vista Service Pack 57 but it still just seems to work better. > > And I really like the combination of the Seagate XT drive and Windows 7 > (clean install). So far it is booting to the logon in just a few seconds > and from there to a usable desktop in just a few more seconds. And yea, I > know that it may not stay that way after installing / uninstalling a jillion > things. But for today it feels like a brand new computer. > > jwcolby > Colby Consulting > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From fuller.artful at gmail.com Sat Oct 1 09:35:29 2011 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2011 10:35:29 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Object or class does not support the set of events In-Reply-To: <4E871AC3.60604@colbyconsulting.com> References: <4E871AC3.60604@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: I have no solutions for you. But IIRC, you're the guy with RAM and SSHDs to die for, so why aren't you using all your spiffy hardware and software to create some VMs and do this in-situ, as it were? And further, why don't you have one box dedicated to "meat and potatoes", and everything else located elsewhere? My close friend Peter Simpson has a pretty cool hardware setup which I envy. I cannot describe the HW details but the essence is this. He has five or six boxes and one keyboard and monitor and mouse, and by flicking a switch, he suddenly moves from Box 1 to Box 2 etc. One box runs Win7, another wXP, another Ubuntu, another RedHat, and yet another Solaris. Someday soon I shall waterboard him for all the details on how to set this up, but at the moment it's a total mystery to me. I just watch him press some magic keystrokes and then suddenly he's in another box, and I don't mean VM, I mean another physical box. I feel that I can no longer keep up with the rapidly-changing technology. I think I'm too old for this career-path. China plans to overtake USA in space-launches. Good thing I'm learning Mandarin (and am actually getting pretty adept; well no, let's settle for "I have the basics", and Cantonese is a way tougher nut to crack, but I'm working on it). A. From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Sat Oct 1 10:13:18 2011 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Sat, 01 Oct 2011 11:13:18 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Object or class does not support the set of events In-Reply-To: References: <4E871AC3.60604@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <4E872E0E.7050601@colbyconsulting.com> > My close friend Peter Simpson has a pretty cool hardware setup which I envy. I cannot describe the HW details but the essence is this. He has five or six boxes and one keyboard and monitor and mouse, and by flicking a switch, he suddenly moves from Box 1 to Box 2 etc. One box runs Win7, another wXP, another Ubuntu, another RedHat, and yet another Solaris. It is called a kvm switch (Keyboard Video Mouse switch). I have one of those but when I moved two of my three server machines to the basement the kvm switch went with it. As for the "why no dedicated virtual machine", well it has to do with I run off of a laptop which is supposed to be portable. VMs, at least on my server are... well... on my server. While I experimented with running them on my laptop they tend to be large-ish and take up disk space. Until this point, my laptop disks were not really big enough to support virtual machines. Plus a laptop by its nature does not have the most powerful / speedy processor chips. The new disk is 500 gigs, which I broke into 100g for the boot and 400 for the data. I intend to reassess the reality of VMs nw that I have this much storage. In the meantime, the billing program is broken. I am going to try running it directly in Access 2010 and see if that works. If so it will provide the imputus to make the switch and learn the (*&%^%$#$#! toolbar interface. If it still does not work I will remove Office 2010 entirely. It appears that it has to do with having both 2003 and 2010 installed at the same time. Maybe. John W. Colby Colby Consulting On 10/1/2011 10:35 AM, Arthur Fuller wrote: > I have no solutions for you. But IIRC, you're the guy with RAM and SSHDs to > die for, so why aren't you using all your spiffy hardware and software to > create some VMs and do this in-situ, as it were? And further, why don't you > have one box dedicated to "meat and potatoes", and everything else located > elsewhere? > > My close friend Peter Simpson has a pretty cool hardware setup which I envy. > I cannot describe the HW details but the essence is this. He has five or six > boxes and one keyboard and monitor and mouse, and by flicking a switch, he > suddenly moves from Box 1 to Box 2 etc. One box runs Win7, another wXP, > another Ubuntu, another RedHat, and yet another Solaris. > > Someday soon I shall waterboard him for all the details on how to set this > up, but at the moment it's a total mystery to me. I just watch him press > some magic keystrokes and then suddenly he's in another box, and I don't > mean VM, I mean another physical box. > > I feel that I can no longer keep up with the rapidly-changing technology. I > think I'm too old for this career-path. China plans to overtake USA in > space-launches. Good thing I'm learning Mandarin (and am actually getting > pretty adept; well no, let's settle for "I have the basics", and Cantonese > is a way tougher nut to crack, but I'm working on it). > > A. From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Sat Oct 1 10:22:33 2011 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Sat, 01 Oct 2011 11:22:33 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Billing works in 2010 Message-ID: <4E873039.4030700@colbyconsulting.com> Well let's say it opens without the complaints that 2003 was giving me. I can log in past my presentation level security. It was the login form that was complaining in 2003. But my time sheet entry is not working. At this point *anything* is progress! ;) -- John W. Colby Colby Consulting From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Sat Oct 1 10:55:26 2011 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Sat, 01 Oct 2011 11:55:26 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Billing "Fully working" in 2010 Message-ID: <4E8737EE.6000805@colbyconsulting.com> I had to relink my views (SQL Server). It seems that I had not stored the password in the link or something. The tables were r/w but the views were ro. So it appears that 4 hours later I am able to use my billing app in 2010. It still gives the same error message in 2003. Unfortunately I use Outlook to send/receive email and it remains to be configured. or move to Blat or the likes. -- John W. Colby Colby Consulting From fuller.artful at gmail.com Sat Oct 1 11:23:56 2011 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2011 12:23:56 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Object or class does not support the set of events In-Reply-To: <4E872E0E.7050601@colbyconsulting.com> References: <4E871AC3.60604@colbyconsulting.com> <4E872E0E.7050601@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: My suggestion is to run each of these apps in its own VM, the principle reason being that no bedbugs can clutter any other installation. Thus you can have an XP VM, an Ubuntu VM, a Win7 VM and even a Win8 VM, all residing comfortably within your vast amount of RAM. My suggestion is that you create a VM that exactly mirrors your clients' setup, and do all your development work within that environment. This will (in theory) obviate any possible library-collisions, updates and so on. In practise, I have five VMs at the ready. Two are tailored to clients' in-sutu, with nothing loaded in the given instance but wXP in one case and w7 in the other; the others are devoted to various flavours of Linux. I have no billable clients on Linux but I keep on learning, and I don't want anything I do in any environment to screw up what already works in any given VM. The upside is that everything (e;g; every client's world) is protected from anything stupid that I may do on the base.The downside is that I have to remember all the backups and their schedules; but I am willing to trade off this for that. At the moment, this whole op is relatively trivial: two clients plus me. Perhaps my approach might grow unwieldy, in the face of dozens or hundreds of clients, but for the moment it works, and I can even envision its scalability. It is quite possible that the future shall prove me wrong, and that I shall have to rethink this, someday down the road. But for the moment, which involves a client-base of two, it works so far. From fuller.artful at gmail.com Sat Oct 1 11:29:11 2011 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2011 12:29:11 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Billing "Fully working" in 2010 In-Reply-To: <4E8737EE.6000805@colbyconsulting.com> References: <4E8737EE.6000805@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: Oh boy. Have you considered gmail? IMO it is way better than any other player, and a cool thing about it is, if you have a laptop and want to visit Starbucks, you can connect with everything intact. As for me, I gave up on Outlook two or three years ago, and I will never go back. A. On Sat, Oct 1, 2011 at 11:55 AM, jwcolby wrote: > I had to relink my views (SQL Server). It seems that I had not stored the > password in the link or something. The tables were r/w but the views were > ro. > > So it appears that 4 hours later I am able to use my billing app in 2010. > It still gives the same error message in 2003. > > Unfortunately I use Outlook to send/receive email and it remains to be > configured. or move to Blat or the likes. > > From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Sat Oct 1 12:06:10 2011 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Sat, 01 Oct 2011 13:06:10 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Billing "Fully working" in 2010 In-Reply-To: References: <4E8737EE.6000805@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <4E874882.5090009@colbyconsulting.com> Do you automate gmail? My billing program generates invoices which I then attach to an outlook email and send. John W. Colby Colby Consulting On 10/1/2011 12:29 PM, Arthur Fuller wrote: > Oh boy. Have you considered gmail? IMO it is way better than any other > player, and a cool thing about it is, if you have a laptop and want to visit > Starbucks, you can connect with everything intact. > > As for me, I gave up on Outlook two or three years ago, and I will never go > back. > > A. > > On Sat, Oct 1, 2011 at 11:55 AM, jwcolbywrote: > >> I had to relink my views (SQL Server). It seems that I had not stored the >> password in the link or something. The tables were r/w but the views were >> ro. >> >> So it appears that 4 hours later I am able to use my billing app in 2010. >> It still gives the same error message in 2003. >> >> Unfortunately I use Outlook to send/receive email and it remains to be >> configured. or move to Blat or the likes. >> >> From john at winhaven.net Sat Oct 1 12:59:37 2011 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2011 12:59:37 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Billing "Fully working" in 2010 In-Reply-To: <4E874882.5090009@colbyconsulting.com> References: <4E8737EE.6000805@colbyconsulting.com> <4E874882.5090009@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <00d701cc8063$e284e6a0$a78eb3e0$@winhaven.net> That's the problem with web based email programs. Automating them and being assured that they don't change without you being notified. I've recently been burned in this regards by Live Mail and Hotmail so beware. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2011 12:06 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Billing "Fully working" in 2010 Do you automate gmail? My billing program generates invoices which I then attach to an outlook email and send. John W. Colby Colby Consulting On 10/1/2011 12:29 PM, Arthur Fuller wrote: > Oh boy. Have you considered gmail? IMO it is way better than any other > player, and a cool thing about it is, if you have a laptop and want to > visit Starbucks, you can connect with everything intact. > > As for me, I gave up on Outlook two or three years ago, and I will > never go back. > > A. > > On Sat, Oct 1, 2011 at 11:55 AM, jwcolbywrote: > >> I had to relink my views (SQL Server). It seems that I had not >> stored the password in the link or something. The tables were r/w >> but the views were ro. >> >> So it appears that 4 hours later I am able to use my billing app in 2010. >> It still gives the same error message in 2003. >> >> Unfortunately I use Outlook to send/receive email and it remains to >> be configured. or move to Blat or the likes. >> >> -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From john at winhaven.net Sat Oct 1 12:59:37 2011 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2011 12:59:37 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Object or class does not support the set of events In-Reply-To: References: <4E871AC3.60604@colbyconsulting.com> <4E872E0E.7050601@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <00d801cc8063$e2d37bd0$a87a7370$@winhaven.net> I was about to suggest something similar. Run Office 2010 on your PC and office (insert old version) in a VM. You can set your virtual machine to be a window just like any other program so it is always available. Also I have had some compatibility issues between Windows 7 and Outlook 2003. Unfortunately I can recall what they were but it prompted me to just use Outlook 2010 for my email. I have all of Office 2003 in an XP VM where it works like butta! -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2011 11:24 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Object or class does not support the set of events My suggestion is to run each of these apps in its own VM, the principle reason being that no bedbugs can clutter any other installation. Thus you can have an XP VM, an Ubuntu VM, a Win7 VM and even a Win8 VM, all residing comfortably within your vast amount of RAM. My suggestion is that you create a VM that exactly mirrors your clients' setup, and do all your development work within that environment. This will (in theory) obviate any possible library-collisions, updates and so on. In practise, I have five VMs at the ready. Two are tailored to clients' in-sutu, with nothing loaded in the given instance but wXP in one case and w7 in the other; the others are devoted to various flavours of Linux. I have no billable clients on Linux but I keep on learning, and I don't want anything I do in any environment to screw up what already works in any given VM. The upside is that everything (e;g; every client's world) is protected from anything stupid that I may do on the base.The downside is that I have to remember all the backups and their schedules; but I am willing to trade off this for that. At the moment, this whole op is relatively trivial: two clients plus me. Perhaps my approach might grow unwieldy, in the face of dozens or hundreds of clients, but for the moment it works, and I can even envision its scalability. It is quite possible that the future shall prove me wrong, and that I shall have to rethink this, someday down the road. But for the moment, which involves a client-base of two, it works so far. -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Sat Oct 1 13:25:34 2011 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2011 14:25:34 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Billing "Fully working" in 2010 In-Reply-To: <4E8737EE.6000805@colbyconsulting.com> References: <4E8737EE.6000805@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: I confess that I use a version of the TIme-Billing app that was a sample app in Office 2007. I reshaped it to suit my needs and then have used it ever since. It works excellenty for my meagre requirements -- single or occasionally assistant developer, and dealing with several projects. and allowing me to assign an hour to this task and and two hours to that task, and print an invoice and send same to the client in question as a PDF file. That's enough for me, and also for Revenue Canada, our equivalent of the IRS. I needed to add a couple of columns to the sample app, and to modify the queries and reports to reflect these new columns, but basically I changed almost nothing in the sample app, and it works wonderfully for my modest needs. I have not bothered to migrate it to SQL Server, since I am the only user of this db, but I have migrated dozens of client dbs and it's a breeze to go there. I back up the BE daily and why go further if the existing solution works? Way back when, I believed the opposite: "If it works, break it, and think of something better." Well, I don't have enough time remaining in my life to continue upon this path. Younger souls may have the time and energy, but I'm out of both. If it works, leave it alone! That's my current motto. You know what, I just lied. I cannot leave a well-bed baby alone. I have to go back and tend to her. In terms of code, this means Refactoring, and even if the client is not willing to pay, I can't help revisiting apps delivered and accepted. I revisit them compulsively, and I look at the 20+lines of code and think, couldn't this be 10 lines? And so on. I can't help it, even though the last invoice to the given client might have been a year ago. I return to the code and inspect it and think, "What an idiot On Sat, Oct 1, 2011 at 11:55 AM, jwcolby wrote: > I had to relink my views (SQL Server). It seems that I had not stored the > password in the link or something. The tables were r/w but the views were > ro. > > So it appears that 4 hours later I am able to use my billing app in 2010. > It still gives the same error message in 2003. > > Unfortunately I use Outlook to send/receive email and it remains to be > configured. or move to Blat or the likes. > > -- > John W. Colby > Colby Consulting > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.**com > From fuller.artful at gmail.com Sat Oct 1 13:40:17 2011 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2011 14:40:17 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Billing "Fully working" in 2010 In-Reply-To: <4E874882.5090009@colbyconsulting.com> References: <4E8737EE.6000805@colbyconsulting.com> <4E874882.5090009@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: You're way ahead of me on that one. I do it manually, but then I only have two clients and judging by your emails you have lots! And so it should be, you got plenty of skills and I rather fewer. But I shall just plod on with my meagre skill set, and hope for the best. I just had a great conversation with my neighbor Bessie, whose first language is Greek. I know a handful of words; I'm much better at Cantonese and Mandarin, although even there I'm pretty shaky, but I'm trying. It's election time in Ontario, and I'm out there stumping for my old friend Peter Tabuns, NDP (in USA-English that would be equivalent to socialist LOL, but that is far from the truth. I just stopped in to see what condition my email was in; now it's back out to hanging the drops in every mail-drop. Frankly this riding is a shoe-in, we've carried it for 20+ years, but still, one must tread the paths and hand out the literature. This is my lovely weekend. Stumping is physical, not at all virtual. You do your prison thing, and for that I applaud you profoundly. I do my little bit toward electing the NDP here in Ontario. It may not amount to a hill of beans, but it's better than doing nothing. Arthur On Sat, Oct 1, 2011 at 1:06 PM, jwcolby wrote: > Do you automate gmail? My billing program generates invoices which I then > attach to an outlook email and send. > > > John W. Colby > Colby Consulting > > On 10/1/2011 12:29 PM, Arthur Fuller wrote: > >> Oh boy. Have you considered gmail? IMO it is way better than any other >> player, and a cool thing about it is, if you have a laptop and want to >> visit >> Starbucks, you can connect with everything intact. >> >> As for me, I gave up on Outlook two or three years ago, and I will never >> go >> back. >> >> A. >> >> On Sat, Oct 1, 2011 at 11:55 AM, jwcolby >> >wrote: >> >> I had to relink my views (SQL Server). It seems that I had not stored >>> the >>> password in the link or something. The tables were r/w but the views >>> were >>> ro. >>> >>> So it appears that 4 hours later I am able to use my billing app in 2010. >>> It still gives the same error message in 2003. >>> >>> Unfortunately I use Outlook to send/receive email and it remains to be >>> configured. or move to Blat or the likes. >>> >>> >>> -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.**com > From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Sat Oct 1 14:42:08 2011 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Sat, 01 Oct 2011 15:42:08 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Having nothing better to do (yea right) Message-ID: <4E876D10.2060401@colbyconsulting.com> I installed Visual Studio 2008 and 2010 on my "new" laptop, including hooking up to source control. I pulled the main client projects into 2008 and then into 2010, whereupon 2010 insisted on converting the 2008 to 2010. It then occurred to me that if I saved it to source control I would be screwing up the 2008 code (which is the production version). I guess I need to store 2010 out as a new version, just to play with. We have much experience in VS 2008 but I have none in 2010 though Paul does. I also downloaded the XNA game studio 4.0 for VS 2010. I have been hankering for years to re-write the old Empire game from scratch in a modern environment. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classic_Empire_(video_game) I have played that game since the late 80s and amazingly, it still runs under Windows 2007. It was the grandpappy of most modern strategy war games and I play it to this day against the computer. Wouldn't it be cool to do it in C#, classes, sql server express as a data store, multi-player over the internet? I have only ever played it against another live person one time, when I played against my uncle on his Mac. I am convinced I am a better player than he, but he wiped the floor with me because, I believe, the rules (strategy tables) between the mac version and the pc version were sufficiently different. Playing against another person consisted of physically exchanging the computer between turns, very crude. Now days we could play against each other on different continents. Having nothing better to do... -- John W. Colby Colby Consulting From accessd at shaw.ca Sat Oct 1 15:09:53 2011 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2011 13:09:53 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Having nothing better to do (yea right) In-Reply-To: <4E876D10.2060401@colbyconsulting.com> References: <4E876D10.2060401@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: That sounds like a fun project John. Jim -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2011 12:42 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving; VBA Subject: [AccessD] Having nothing better to do (yea right) I installed Visual Studio 2008 and 2010 on my "new" laptop, including hooking up to source control. I pulled the main client projects into 2008 and then into 2010, whereupon 2010 insisted on converting the 2008 to 2010. It then occurred to me that if I saved it to source control I would be screwing up the 2008 code (which is the production version). I guess I need to store 2010 out as a new version, just to play with. We have much experience in VS 2008 but I have none in 2010 though Paul does. I also downloaded the XNA game studio 4.0 for VS 2010. I have been hankering for years to re-write the old Empire game from scratch in a modern environment. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classic_Empire_(video_game) I have played that game since the late 80s and amazingly, it still runs under Windows 2007. It was the grandpappy of most modern strategy war games and I play it to this day against the computer. Wouldn't it be cool to do it in C#, classes, sql server express as a data store, multi-player over the internet? I have only ever played it against another live person one time, when I played against my uncle on his Mac. I am convinced I am a better player than he, but he wiped the floor with me because, I believe, the rules (strategy tables) between the mac version and the pc version were sufficiently different. Playing against another person consisted of physically exchanging the computer between turns, very crude. Now days we could play against each other on different continents. Having nothing better to do... -- John W. Colby Colby Consulting -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Sat Oct 1 15:13:52 2011 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Sat, 01 Oct 2011 16:13:52 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] True Crypt whole disk encryption Message-ID: <4E877480.2080209@colbyconsulting.com> The last iteration with my laptop I used Windows Bit locker to perform a whole disk encryption. This time I am using Windows 7 Home Premium which does not include Bit locker. I had just about decided to use True Crypt anyway because with Bil Locker I was unable to mount the old hard disk on another computer to pull the old contents off onto the new disk. So when I installed Windows 7 I broke the disk into three partitions, a 6 gig for the swap file, 100 gig for the OS/programs and 400 gig for data. I then started Truecrypt and told it to go to work encrypting the whole thing and went to bed. In the morning... the computer had decided to sleep during the night (lazy thing!) and so it was only 25% finished. It took most of the day to finish encrypting the entire disk (all partitions) and so here I am. Having done that I decided to hang the truecrypt encrypted disk on another computer, put the old disk back in and push the disk contents out to the other disk. The other disk would not finish loading Windows with the truecrypt encrypted disk on it! It would start to load Windows (2008 server) and then apparently it ran into the true crypt disk and couldn't handle it. It just hung, never finished loading windows. In the end I told the bitlocker software to unencrypt the old disk, then hung that on another machine and put the truecrypt disk back in the laptop, and pulled everything into the new disk. Well not everything but you know what I mean. At least I can do that with the unencrypted disk drive. Things never work the way I envision them working. Truecrypt is not significantly slowing down the new disk. I do have to enter the password at the point where the bios tries to load windows, then off it goes. Not good for auto reboot after software updates... -- John W. Colby Colby Consulting From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Sat Oct 1 15:55:58 2011 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Sun, 02 Oct 2011 06:55:58 +1000 Subject: [AccessD] Object or class does not support the set of events In-Reply-To: <4E872E0E.7050601@colbyconsulting.com> References: <4E871AC3.60604@colbyconsulting.com>, , <4E872E0E.7050601@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <4E877E5E.30439.419E988@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> I've been running different versions of Access in VirtualBox VMs on my laptop for a couple of years with no problems. (Intel 2,4GB Core2 Duo, 4GM Ram, , 320GB partitioned into 22 drives, Vista) -- Stuart On 1 Oct 2011 at 11:13, jwcolby wrote: > > As for the "why no dedicated virtual machine", well it has to do with > I run off of a laptop which is supposed to be portable. VMs, at least > on my server are... well... on my server. While I experimented with > running them on my laptop they tend to be large-ish and take up disk > space. Until this point, my laptop disks were not really big enough > to support virtual machines. Plus a laptop by its nature does not > have the most powerful / speedy processor chips. > > The new disk is 500 gigs, which I broke into 100g for the boot and 400 > for the data. I intend to reassess the reality of VMs nw that I have > this much storage. > > In the meantime, the billing program is broken. > > I am going to try running it directly in Access 2010 and see if that > works. If so it will provide the imputus to make the switch and learn > the (*&%^%$#$#! toolbar interface. If it still does not work I will > remove Office 2010 entirely. It appears that it has to do with having > both 2003 and 2010 installed at the same time. Maybe. > > John W. Colby > Colby Consulting > > > On 10/1/2011 10:35 AM, Arthur Fuller wrote: > > I have no solutions for you. But IIRC, you're the guy with RAM and > > SSHDs to die for, so why aren't you using all your spiffy hardware > > and software to create some VMs and do this in-situ, as it were? And > > further, why don't you have one box dedicated to "meat and > > potatoes", and everything else located elsewhere? > > > > My close friend Peter Simpson has a pretty cool hardware setup which > > I envy. I cannot describe the HW details but the essence is this. He > > has five or six boxes and one keyboard and monitor and mouse, and by > > flicking a switch, he suddenly moves from Box 1 to Box 2 etc. One > > box runs Win7, another wXP, another Ubuntu, another RedHat, and yet > > another Solaris. > > > > Someday soon I shall waterboard him for all the details on how to > > set this up, but at the moment it's a total mystery to me. I just > > watch him press some magic keystrokes and then suddenly he's in > > another box, and I don't mean VM, I mean another physical box. > > > > I feel that I can no longer keep up with the rapidly-changing > > technology. I think I'm too old for this career-path. China plans to > > overtake USA in space-launches. Good thing I'm learning Mandarin > > (and am actually getting pretty adept; well no, let's settle for "I > > have the basics", and Cantonese is a way tougher nut to crack, but > > I'm working on it). > > > > A. > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Sat Oct 1 16:03:09 2011 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Sat, 01 Oct 2011 17:03:09 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Object or class does not support the set of events In-Reply-To: <4E877E5E.30439.419E988@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: <4E871AC3.60604@colbyconsulting.com>, , <4E872E0E.7050601@colbyconsulting.com> <4E877E5E.30439.419E988@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <4E87800D.2080005@colbyconsulting.com> >320GB partitioned into 22 drives, Vista That's interesting. Is a drive per vm more efficient? John W. Colby Colby Consulting On 10/1/2011 4:55 PM, Stuart McLachlan wrote: > I've been running different versions of Access in VirtualBox VMs on my laptop for a couple of > years with no problems. (Intel 2,4GB Core2 Duo, 4GM Ram, , 320GB partitioned into 22 > drives, Vista) > From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Sat Oct 1 16:19:45 2011 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Sun, 02 Oct 2011 07:19:45 +1000 Subject: [AccessD] Object or class does not support the set of events In-Reply-To: <4E87800D.2080005@colbyconsulting.com> References: <4E871AC3.60604@colbyconsulting.com>, <4E877E5E.30439.419E988@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>, <4E87800D.2080005@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <4E8783F1.24104.42FB002@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Doh, Typo - 2 Drives :-) -- Stuart On 1 Oct 2011 at 17:03, jwcolby wrote: > >320GB partitioned into 22 drives, Vista > > That's interesting. Is a drive per vm more efficient? > > John W. Colby > Colby Consulting > > On 10/1/2011 4:55 PM, Stuart McLachlan wrote: > > I've been running different versions of Access in VirtualBox VMs on > > my laptop for a couple of years with no problems. (Intel 2,4GB > > Core2 Duo, 4GM Ram, , 320GB partitioned into 22 drives, Vista) > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Sat Oct 1 22:21:02 2011 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Sat, 01 Oct 2011 23:21:02 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Object or class does not support the set of events In-Reply-To: <4E8783F1.24104.42FB002@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: <4E871AC3.60604@colbyconsulting.com>, <4E877E5E.30439.419E988@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>, <4E87800D.2080005@colbyconsulting.com> <4E8783F1.24104.42FB002@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <4E87D89E.700@colbyconsulting.com> You mean there aren't 22 different versions of office? ;) John W. Colby Colby Consulting On 10/1/2011 5:19 PM, Stuart McLachlan wrote: > Doh, > > Typo - 2 Drives :-) > From charlotte.foust at gmail.com Sat Oct 1 23:03:07 2011 From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust) Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2011 21:03:07 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Object or class does not support the set of events In-Reply-To: <4E87D89E.700@colbyconsulting.com> References: <4E871AC3.60604@colbyconsulting.com> <4E877E5E.30439.419E988@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <4E87800D.2080005@colbyconsulting.com> <4E8783F1.24104.42FB002@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <4E87D89E.700@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: No, John, those are sevice packs you're thinking of. LOL Charlotte Foust On Sat, Oct 1, 2011 at 8:21 PM, jwcolby wrote: > You mean there aren't 22 different versions of office? > > ;) > > John W. Colby > Colby Consulting > > On 10/1/2011 5:19 PM, Stuart McLachlan wrote: > >> Doh, >> >> Typo - 2 Drives :-) >> >> -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/accessd > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.**com > > > From vbacreations at gmail.com Sun Oct 2 02:02:09 2011 From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson) Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2011 03:02:09 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Object or class does not support the set of events In-Reply-To: <4E871AC3.60604@colbyconsulting.com> References: <4E871AC3.60604@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: Can you shut off uac? On Oct 1, 2011 9:52 AM, "jwcolby" wrote: > Holy cow man things just get worse and worse. > > In lookingup the error message in the subject I found something about having Access "run as > administrator". Somehow I found and set that and now *everything* is broken. As I open Access it > does the UAC thing (screen dims and asks if i want to allow the application to make changes), then > Access tries to open and gives me a "There was a problem sending the command to the program.", then > Access does in fact open. > > What have I done and how do I undo it? I cannot seem to find my back to where I set that property. > Will a restore point get rid of this crap? > > I have billing to get done and I am broken. I have spent two hours on just this stuff and I am now > further from a solution than when I started. > > @#$&*&*^&)(*_)(*)&*%&^#%$#!%*()&_)*_)*(!!!!! > > -- > John W. Colby > Colby Consulting > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From hans.andersen at phulse.com Sun Oct 2 05:26:06 2011 From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen) Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2011 03:26:06 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Object or class does not support the set of events In-Reply-To: References: <4E871AC3.60604@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <10CCBA04-1EA4-44F4-826B-4F0B392724CA@phulse.com> John, >> In looking up the error message in the subject I found something about having Access "run as administrator". Somehow I found and set that and now *everything* is broken. Assuming you are running Windows Vista or 7, most likely you set this under the properties of the Access application shortcut. Open your program shortcut. Here is an article describing the process: http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/magazine/ff431742.aspx Regarding KVMs, I love the idea, but in this modern day and age, I find it hard to justify purchasing a KVM that doesn't work over IP, which are really expensive (relative to their functionatlity) and they tend to try to charge ridiculous prices just for the connectors alone. Fortunately, I deal with Dell servers on a daily basis and they have a lovely (and surprisingly under-stated) remote management feature called DRAC, which lets you hook directly into the console via a java applet (loaded through a browser based administration page) over the network. I know other server vendors have such technology as well (ie. hp lights out), but the only HP proliant server we have lacks this feature (among others). Coupled with a solid VPN and you can administer your servers fairly reliably from anywhere in the world, not just from home. This assumes, however, that you have nice expensive servers :) > Can you shut off uac? You can, as in the link below, but I highly recommend that you consider the implications. First, there is of course a matter of security. But, also, in my experience, when Windows 7 works within administrator mode, it seems to load a different profile/settings. This might only be the case for some applications however, I don't know for certain. I had one experience where I installed an application that required admin rights to function, but I did not know it at the time. So, upon installing it and putting in the registration code, it then told me I had to run it as admin. When doing so, it completely forgot all my settings and even that I was registered to begin with. Unfortunately, the way the software was designed, it would only let you enter the reg key once, so when I entered it again, it said it was already taken, so I had to convince the company that I wasn't a freeloader in order to get them to release my key again. A very painful process, but it taught me one thing, which was that running apps as admin doesn't necessarily mean you are just running it as your user with escalated privileges. Also, turning off UAC doesn't mean that it changes the way UAC works. It just means that you don't get bothered by a pop up dialogue asking for confirmation anymore. http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/windows-vista/disable-user-account-control-uac-the-easy-way-on-windows-vista/ Good luck, - Hans On 2011-10-02, at 12:02 AM, William Benson wrote: > Can you shut off uac? > On Oct 1, 2011 9:52 AM, "jwcolby" wrote: >> Holy cow man things just get worse and worse. >> >> In lookingup the error message in the subject I found something about > having Access "run as >> administrator". Somehow I found and set that and now *everything* is > broken. As I open Access it >> does the UAC thing (screen dims and asks if i want to allow the > application to make changes), then >> Access tries to open and gives me a "There was a problem sending the > command to the program.", then >> Access does in fact open. >> >> What have I done and how do I undo it? I cannot seem to find my back to > where I set that property. >> Will a restore point get rid of this crap? >> >> I have billing to get done and I am broken. I have spent two hours on just > this stuff and I am now >> further from a solution than when I started. >> >> @#$&*&*^&)(*_)(*)&*%&^#%$#!%*()&_)*_)*(!!!!! >> >> -- >> John W. Colby >> Colby Consulting >> -- >> AccessD mailing list >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From tinanfields at torchlake.com Sun Oct 2 10:16:51 2011 From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields) Date: Sun, 02 Oct 2011 11:16:51 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Billing "Fully working" in 2010 In-Reply-To: References: <4E8737EE.6000805@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <4E888063.8030609@torchlake.com> Arthur, I get that. Figuring out ways to do what you have already done, but to do it better, probably comes with the intellectual territory you have. It's a fine thing to do. Keep on doing it. T Tina Norris Fields tinanfields at torchlake.com 231-322-2787 On 10/1/2011 2:25 PM, Arthur Fuller wrote: > I confess that I use a version of the TIme-Billing app that was a sample app > in Office 2007. I reshaped it to suit my needs and then have used it ever > since. It works excellenty for my meagre requirements -- single or > occasionally assistant developer, and dealing with several projects. and > allowing me to assign an hour to this task and and two hours to that task, > and print an invoice and send same to the client in question as a PDF file. > That's enough for me, and also for Revenue Canada, our equivalent of the > IRS. > > I needed to add a couple of columns to the sample app, and to modify the > queries and reports to reflect these new columns, but basically I changed > almost nothing in the sample app, and it works wonderfully for my modest > needs. I have not bothered to migrate it to SQL Server, since I am the only > user of this db, but I have migrated dozens of client dbs and it's a breeze > to go there. I back up the BE daily and why go further if the existing > solution works? > > Way back when, I believed the opposite: "If it works, break it, and think of > something better." Well, I don't have enough time remaining in my life to > continue upon this path. Younger souls may have the time and energy, but I'm > out of both. If it works, leave it alone! That's my current motto. > > You know what, I just lied. I cannot leave a well-bed baby alone. I have to > go back and tend to her. In terms of code, this means Refactoring, and even > if the client is not willing to pay, I can't help revisiting apps delivered > and accepted. I revisit them compulsively, and I look at the 20+lines of > code and think, couldn't this be 10 lines? And so on. I can't help it, even > though the last invoice to the given client might have been a year ago. I > return to the code and inspect it and think, "What an idiot > > On Sat, Oct 1, 2011 at 11:55 AM, jwcolbywrote: > >> I had to relink my views (SQL Server). It seems that I had not stored the >> password in the link or something. The tables were r/w but the views were >> ro. >> >> So it appears that 4 hours later I am able to use my billing app in 2010. >> It still gives the same error message in 2003. >> >> Unfortunately I use Outlook to send/receive email and it remains to be >> configured. or move to Blat or the likes. >> >> -- >> John W. Colby >> Colby Consulting >> -- >> AccessD mailing list >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/accessd >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.**com >> From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Sun Oct 2 10:22:54 2011 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Sun, 02 Oct 2011 11:22:54 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Object or class does not support the set of events In-Reply-To: References: <4E871AC3.60604@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <4E8881CE.2040909@colbyconsulting.com> I can but I would rather not. John W. Colby Colby Consulting On 10/2/2011 3:02 AM, William Benson wrote: > Can you shut off uac? > On Oct 1, 2011 9:52 AM, "jwcolby" wrote: >> Holy cow man things just get worse and worse. >> >> In lookingup the error message in the subject I found something about > having Access "run as >> administrator". Somehow I found and set that and now *everything* is > broken. As I open Access it >> does the UAC thing (screen dims and asks if i want to allow the > application to make changes), then >> Access tries to open and gives me a "There was a problem sending the > command to the program.", then >> Access does in fact open. >> >> What have I done and how do I undo it? I cannot seem to find my back to > where I set that property. >> Will a restore point get rid of this crap? >> >> I have billing to get done and I am broken. I have spent two hours on just > this stuff and I am now >> further from a solution than when I started. >> >> @#$&*&*^&)(*_)(*)&*%&^#%$#!%*()&_)*_)*(!!!!! >> >> -- >> John W. Colby >> Colby Consulting >> -- >> AccessD mailing list >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From tinanfields at torchlake.com Sun Oct 2 10:55:30 2011 From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields) Date: Sun, 02 Oct 2011 11:55:30 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Geek to Live: Secure your saved passwords in Firefox In-Reply-To: <4E863B87.4080302@colbyconsulting.com> References: <4E863B87.4080302@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <4E888972.2070800@torchlake.com> Aha! Next question is: How easy would it be for a hacker to get the Firefox saved passwords? T Tina Norris Fields tinanfields at torchlake.com 231-322-2787 On 9/30/2011 5:58 PM, jwcolby wrote: > http://lifehacker.com/154099/geek-to-live--secure-your-saved-passwords-in-firefox > > > jwcolby From tinanfields at torchlake.com Sun Oct 2 11:00:02 2011 From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields) Date: Sun, 02 Oct 2011 12:00:02 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Calculating mileage In-Reply-To: <4E81B916.70601@colbyconsulting.com> References: <4E81B916.70601@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <4E888A82.80905@torchlake.com> Well, I am obviously very old-fashioned. I keep a log in the car and record all my trips - everything. So, the record is already there. Only as I'm preparing the tax return do I enter the data into a spreadsheet so I can accurately calculate my personal and business miles. T Tina Norris Fields tinanfields at torchlake.com 231-322-2787 On 9/27/2011 7:52 AM, jwcolby wrote: > Before tax time I need to add a module to my inmate checkout to > calculate mileage for all legs of a trip with the inmates. The > database contains records of where we go - the midpoints points - with > addresses, but the database does not have my start / end point (home). > > 1) Home to prison > 2) Prison to first destination in the db > 3) First destination to second destination (if any) > 4) Second destination to third destination (if any) > 5) Last destination to prison > 6) Prison to home > > I thought I would try to use Microsoft Streets and trips to do the > mapping, though I am open to using Google Maps if there is a > programming interface available to the VBA language. > > I could of course manually enter the trips into Streets and trips, get > the mileage and build a table of all the "legs" that I have ever done > but that is error prone and forces me to do the whole thing manually. > Also this is in use by other people so it would be nice to build a > module that would also calculate their legs, which I certainly do not > want to do myself manually. > > If for tax purposes I just assume that we always start from home and > end at home I could use something like Streets and trips (which I > have) to calculate all of these legs for each trip and place them in a > table. At tax time I then have a mileage log for the IRS. > > I have never used Streets and Trips for this purpose. I do know that > it has an API and VBA available for it. If anyone uses it for this > purpose and has a library (or a function) written to do this that they > would share that would be great. Or a web or help resource for this. > > Thanks, > From tinanfields at torchlake.com Sun Oct 2 11:09:01 2011 From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields) Date: Sun, 02 Oct 2011 12:09:01 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Calculating mileage In-Reply-To: <4E830013.2020403@colbyconsulting.com> References: <4E81B916.70601@colbyconsulting.com> <000701cc7d6b$a78c1550$f6a43ff0$@com.au> <4E8287F3.2000201@colbyconsulting.com><002201cc7d8f$25cae130$7160a390$@com.au> <4E830013.2020403@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <4E888C9D.2080005@torchlake.com> Dear John, I love it! Do the records in your database have any connection at all to the odometer readings? (Probably not.) So, you need a way to calculate travel distances between physical addresses. I t would seem that a mapping program of some sort would provide the solution - just as Google Maps and MapQuest tell you how far it is from home to the VA hospital in Ann Arbor, for instance. It's not yet clear to me how to get your addresses out of the database and into the mapping program, but, there's got to be a way. Thanks for a great puzzle - don't know how much help I'm going to be in its solution, but I'm going to give it a solid effort. T Tina Norris Fields tinanfields at torchlake.com 231-322-2787 On 9/28/2011 7:08 AM, jwcolby wrote: > But... I have database records already in a database. This is not > about defining a solution for data that does not exist and I would > otherwise have to enter. This is about defining a solution for data > that I (and any other user) must enter into the database to use the > inmate pass program. > > *It is already in the database* > > This is about building a small program to do these calculations about > data that has and *is going to* accumulate in the course of doing > business. > > It appears that I am not able to get across to this list the fact that > the records already exist in a database. > > Forget that I am driving. *Just please forget that fact.* I never > said anything about actually driving these miles, being in a car or > anything else related to automobiles. > > Now... > > I have records in a database which have addresses in them. I need to > calculate driving distances between those addresses. > > Pleeeeeeaaaaaaase, I do not want nor do I need anything related to > logging miles driven in a car. > > I need a function which takes two addresses and hands back miles > between those points, actual miles that would be driven. > > BUT I AM NOT DRIVING THOSE MILES. The records are somehow just > magically (poof) appearing in a table! > > John W. Colby > www.ColbyConsulting.com > > On 9/27/2011 11:31 PM, Darryl Collins wrote: >> Can't add much value to your historical data issue John, but for your >> future >> records, well I guess it depends on how much effort and money you >> want to >> put into this. >> >> There are 'turnkey' solutions already out there for exactly this sort of >> reporting. These folks will report on miles / kilometres travelled >> and way >> much more for about $40 a month. >> >> <> >> >> It actually looks like a bit of over engineering for what you are >> after, but >> the concept is exactly what I am talking about. Let the GPS record the >> mileage for you and just download it to you PC. You might find the >> service >> above is worth the $40 per month for your needs. Dunno. Anyway, >> that seems >> a lot easier than stuffing around with tracking online maps etc >> >> Although the cheapest and best solution I would have thought was the one >> already suggested. Use a smart phone app, or better still, an old >> fashion >> paper log book. >> >> Cheers >> Darryl >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby >> Sent: Wednesday, 28 September 2011 12:36 PM >> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving >> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Calculating mileage >> >> > I would have thought a standard GPS unit would do this for you pretty >> much automatically >> >> Do what for me? A gps gets you from one place to another. I need >> code to >> calculate mileage between >> two points. >> >> I have a database of trips I have taken, hundreds of existing >> records. I >> need to calculate the >> mileage of those trips so that I can apply for a tax refund. >> >> Maybe I am missing something here. How is a a gps or a smart phone or a >> paper log going to help me >> get mileage calculations for existing and future data records in a >> database? >> >> John W. Colby >> www.ColbyConsulting.com >> >> On 9/27/2011 7:17 PM, Darryl Collins wrote: >>> I would have thought a standard GPS unit would do this for you >>> pretty much >>> automatically, although I have bugger all experience in this area. >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby >>> Sent: Tuesday, 27 September 2011 9:53 PM >>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving >>> Subject: [AccessD] Calculating mileage >>> >>> Before tax time I need to add a module to my inmate checkout to >>> calculate >>> mileage for all legs of a >>> trip with the inmates. The database contains records of where we go >>> - the >>> midpoints points - with >>> addresses, but the database does not have my start / end point (home). >>> >>> 1) Home to prison >>> 2) Prison to first destination in the db >>> 3) First destination to second destination (if any) >>> 4) Second destination to third destination (if any) >>> 5) Last destination to prison >>> 6) Prison to home >>> >>> I thought I would try to use Microsoft Streets and trips to do the >> mapping, >>> though I am open to >>> using Google Maps if there is a programming interface available to >>> the VBA >>> language. >>> >>> I could of course manually enter the trips into Streets and trips, >>> get the >>> mileage and build a table >>> of all the "legs" that I have ever done but that is error prone and >>> forces >>> me to do the whole thing >>> manually. Also this is in use by other people so it would be nice to >> build >>> a module that would also >>> calculate their legs, which I certainly do not want to do myself >>> manually. >>> >>> If for tax purposes I just assume that we always start from home and >>> end >> at >>> home I could use >>> something like Streets and trips (which I have) to calculate all of >>> these >>> legs for each trip and >>> place them in a table. At tax time I then have a mileage log for >>> the IRS. >>> >>> I have never used Streets and Trips for this purpose. I do know >>> that it >> has >>> an API and VBA >>> available for it. If anyone uses it for this purpose and has a library >> (or >>> a function) written to >>> do this that they would share that would be great. Or a web or help >>> resource for this. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Sun Oct 2 12:59:36 2011 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Sun, 02 Oct 2011 13:59:36 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Calculating mileage In-Reply-To: <4E888A82.80905@torchlake.com> References: <4E81B916.70601@colbyconsulting.com> <4E888A82.80905@torchlake.com> Message-ID: <4E88A688.1040302@colbyconsulting.com> And in your case, a widget that automatically entered a record in your cell phone as you leave your driveway would be super cool. John W. Colby Colby Consulting On 10/2/2011 12:00 PM, Tina Norris Fields wrote: > Well, I am obviously very old-fashioned. I keep a log in the car and record all my trips - > everything. So, the record is already there. Only as I'm preparing the tax return do I enter the > data into a spreadsheet so I can accurately calculate my personal and business miles. > T > > Tina Norris Fields > tinanfields at torchlake.com > 231-322-2787 > > > On 9/27/2011 7:52 AM, jwcolby wrote: >> Before tax time I need to add a module to my inmate checkout to calculate mileage for all legs of >> a trip with the inmates. The database contains records of where we go - the midpoints points - >> with addresses, but the database does not have my start / end point (home). >> >> 1) Home to prison >> 2) Prison to first destination in the db >> 3) First destination to second destination (if any) >> 4) Second destination to third destination (if any) >> 5) Last destination to prison >> 6) Prison to home >> >> I thought I would try to use Microsoft Streets and trips to do the mapping, though I am open to >> using Google Maps if there is a programming interface available to the VBA language. >> >> I could of course manually enter the trips into Streets and trips, get the mileage and build a >> table of all the "legs" that I have ever done but that is error prone and forces me to do the >> whole thing manually. Also this is in use by other people so it would be nice to build a module >> that would also calculate their legs, which I certainly do not want to do myself manually. >> >> If for tax purposes I just assume that we always start from home and end at home I could use >> something like Streets and trips (which I have) to calculate all of these legs for each trip and >> place them in a table. At tax time I then have a mileage log for the IRS. >> >> I have never used Streets and Trips for this purpose. I do know that it has an API and VBA >> available for it. If anyone uses it for this purpose and has a library (or a function) written to >> do this that they would share that would be great. Or a web or help resource for this. >> >> Thanks, >> From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Sun Oct 2 13:03:29 2011 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Sun, 02 Oct 2011 14:03:29 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Calculating mileage In-Reply-To: <4E888C9D.2080005@torchlake.com> References: <4E81B916.70601@colbyconsulting.com> <000701cc7d6b$a78c1550$f6a43ff0$@com.au> <4E8287F3.2000201@colbyconsulting.com><002201cc7d8f$25cae130$7160a390$@com.au> <4E830013.2020403@colbyconsulting.com> <4E888C9D.2080005@torchlake.com> Message-ID: <4E88A771.3010509@colbyconsulting.com> >Do the records in your database have any connection at all to the odometer readings? They would if I were to notice. The thing to remember is that the database is used by potentially many different people. I know where they live because they enter their address into the database. I know the prison address where they pick up the inmates. Everything after that is just "calc distance from A to B". > It's not yet clear to me how to get your addresses out of the database and into the mapping program, but, there's got to be a way. Microsoft's map program has VBA behind it and an API. I will be using that. John W. Colby Colby Consulting On 10/2/2011 12:09 PM, Tina Norris Fields wrote: > Dear John, > > I love it! Do the records in your database have any connection at all to the odometer readings? > (Probably not.) So, you need a way to calculate travel distances between physical addresses. I t > would seem that a mapping program of some sort would provide the solution - just as Google Maps and > MapQuest tell you how far it is from home to the VA hospital in Ann Arbor, for instance. > > It's not yet clear to me how to get your addresses out of the database and into the mapping program, > but, there's got to be a way. Thanks for a great puzzle - don't know how much help I'm going to be > in its solution, but I'm going to give it a solid effort. > > T > > Tina Norris Fields > tinanfields at torchlake.com > 231-322-2787 > > > On 9/28/2011 7:08 AM, jwcolby wrote: >> But... I have database records already in a database. This is not about defining a solution for >> data that does not exist and I would otherwise have to enter. This is about defining a solution >> for data that I (and any other user) must enter into the database to use the inmate pass program. >> >> *It is already in the database* >> >> This is about building a small program to do these calculations about data that has and *is going >> to* accumulate in the course of doing business. >> >> It appears that I am not able to get across to this list the fact that the records already exist >> in a database. >> >> Forget that I am driving. *Just please forget that fact.* I never said anything about actually >> driving these miles, being in a car or anything else related to automobiles. >> >> Now... >> >> I have records in a database which have addresses in them. I need to calculate driving distances >> between those addresses. >> >> Pleeeeeeaaaaaaase, I do not want nor do I need anything related to logging miles driven in a car. >> >> I need a function which takes two addresses and hands back miles between those points, actual >> miles that would be driven. >> >> BUT I AM NOT DRIVING THOSE MILES. The records are somehow just magically (poof) appearing in a table! >> >> John W. Colby >> www.ColbyConsulting.com >> >> On 9/27/2011 11:31 PM, Darryl Collins wrote: >>> Can't add much value to your historical data issue John, but for your future >>> records, well I guess it depends on how much effort and money you want to >>> put into this. >>> >>> There are 'turnkey' solutions already out there for exactly this sort of >>> reporting. These folks will report on miles / kilometres travelled and way >>> much more for about $40 a month. >>> >>> <> >>> >>> It actually looks like a bit of over engineering for what you are after, but >>> the concept is exactly what I am talking about. Let the GPS record the >>> mileage for you and just download it to you PC. You might find the service >>> above is worth the $40 per month for your needs. Dunno. Anyway, that seems >>> a lot easier than stuffing around with tracking online maps etc >>> >>> Although the cheapest and best solution I would have thought was the one >>> already suggested. Use a smart phone app, or better still, an old fashion >>> paper log book. >>> >>> Cheers >>> Darryl >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby >>> Sent: Wednesday, 28 September 2011 12:36 PM >>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving >>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Calculating mileage >>> >>> > I would have thought a standard GPS unit would do this for you pretty >>> much automatically >>> >>> Do what for me? A gps gets you from one place to another. I need code to >>> calculate mileage between >>> two points. >>> >>> I have a database of trips I have taken, hundreds of existing records. I >>> need to calculate the >>> mileage of those trips so that I can apply for a tax refund. >>> >>> Maybe I am missing something here. How is a a gps or a smart phone or a >>> paper log going to help me >>> get mileage calculations for existing and future data records in a database? >>> >>> John W. Colby >>> www.ColbyConsulting.com >>> >>> On 9/27/2011 7:17 PM, Darryl Collins wrote: >>>> I would have thought a standard GPS unit would do this for you pretty much >>>> automatically, although I have bugger all experience in this area. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >>>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby >>>> Sent: Tuesday, 27 September 2011 9:53 PM >>>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving >>>> Subject: [AccessD] Calculating mileage >>>> >>>> Before tax time I need to add a module to my inmate checkout to calculate >>>> mileage for all legs of a >>>> trip with the inmates. The database contains records of where we go - the >>>> midpoints points - with >>>> addresses, but the database does not have my start / end point (home). >>>> >>>> 1) Home to prison >>>> 2) Prison to first destination in the db >>>> 3) First destination to second destination (if any) >>>> 4) Second destination to third destination (if any) >>>> 5) Last destination to prison >>>> 6) Prison to home >>>> >>>> I thought I would try to use Microsoft Streets and trips to do the >>> mapping, >>>> though I am open to >>>> using Google Maps if there is a programming interface available to the VBA >>>> language. >>>> >>>> I could of course manually enter the trips into Streets and trips, get the >>>> mileage and build a table >>>> of all the "legs" that I have ever done but that is error prone and forces >>>> me to do the whole thing >>>> manually. Also this is in use by other people so it would be nice to >>> build >>>> a module that would also >>>> calculate their legs, which I certainly do not want to do myself manually. >>>> >>>> If for tax purposes I just assume that we always start from home and end >>> at >>>> home I could use >>>> something like Streets and trips (which I have) to calculate all of these >>>> legs for each trip and >>>> place them in a table. At tax time I then have a mileage log for the IRS. >>>> >>>> I have never used Streets and Trips for this purpose. I do know that it >>> has >>>> an API and VBA >>>> available for it. If anyone uses it for this purpose and has a library >>> (or >>>> a function) written to >>>> do this that they would share that would be great. Or a web or help >>>> resource for this. >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Sun Oct 2 13:06:47 2011 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Sun, 02 Oct 2011 14:06:47 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Geek to Live: Secure your saved passwords in Firefox In-Reply-To: <4E888972.2070800@torchlake.com> References: <4E863B87.4080302@colbyconsulting.com> <4E888972.2070800@torchlake.com> Message-ID: <4E88A837.5010105@colbyconsulting.com> Apparently Firefox encrypts them using a common encryption algorithm and a master password you supply. Then the first time that you go to a web page where you need to log in (and have a saved password), Firefox asks you for your master password. Using that it decrypts the passwords and supplies the username / password for that web page. I am using that now for firefox. Of course I also just switched to Chrome... John W. Colby Colby Consulting On 10/2/2011 11:55 AM, Tina Norris Fields wrote: > Aha! Next question is: How easy would it be for a hacker to get the Firefox saved passwords? > T > > Tina Norris Fields > tinanfields at torchlake.com > 231-322-2787 > > > On 9/30/2011 5:58 PM, jwcolby wrote: >> http://lifehacker.com/154099/geek-to-live--secure-your-saved-passwords-in-firefox >> >> jwcolby From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Sun Oct 2 16:04:03 2011 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Mon, 03 Oct 2011 07:04:03 +1000 Subject: [AccessD] Geek to Live: Secure your saved passwords in Firefox In-Reply-To: <4E88A837.5010105@colbyconsulting.com> References: <4E863B87.4080302@colbyconsulting.com>, <4E888972.2070800@torchlake.com>, <4E88A837.5010105@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <4E88D1C3.113.947AD5F@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> But I'd bet that the majority of people who have passwords saved in FF have never set a master passwod. -- Stuart On 2 Oct 2011 at 14:06, jwcolby wrote: > Apparently Firefox encrypts them using a common encryption algorithm > and a master password you supply. Then the first time that you go to > a web page where you need to log in (and have a saved password), > Firefox asks you for your master password. Using that it decrypts the > passwords and supplies the username / password for that web page. > > I am using that now for firefox. Of course I also just switched to > Chrome... > > John W. Colby > Colby Consulting > > On 10/2/2011 11:55 AM, Tina Norris Fields wrote: > > Aha! Next question is: How easy would it be for a hacker to get the > > Firefox saved passwords? T > > > > Tina Norris Fields > > tinanfields at torchlake.com > > 231-322-2787 > > > > > > On 9/30/2011 5:58 PM, jwcolby wrote: > >> http://lifehacker.com/154099/geek-to-live--secure-your-saved-passwo > >> rds-in-firefox > >> > >> jwcolby > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From steve at goodhall.info Sun Oct 2 16:12:39 2011 From: steve at goodhall.info (Steve Goodhall) Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2011 17:12:39 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Geek to Live: Secure your saved passwords in Firefox In-Reply-To: <4E88D1C3.113.947AD5F@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: <4E863B87.4080302@colbyconsulting.com>, <4E888972.2070800@torchlake.com>, <4E88A837.5010105@colbyconsulting.com> <4E88D1C3.113.947AD5F@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <02287c2b-d3ef-4bce-8f86-b0f15c45c5e2@blur> My cable company / ISP provides Norton security for free. It has a similar feature that I use. It doesn't give you a choice about the master password. Steve Goodhall, MSCS, PMP Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone -----Original message----- From: Stuart McLachlan To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Sent: Sun, Oct 2, 2011 21:05:27 GMT+00:00 Subject: Re: [AccessD] Geek to Live: Secure your saved passwords in Firefox But I'd bet that the majority of people who have passwords saved in FF have never set a master passwod. -- Stuart On 2 Oct 2011 at 14:06, jwcolby wrote: > Apparently Firefox encrypts them using a common encryption algorithm > and a master password you supply. Then the first time that you go to > a web page where you need to log in (and have a saved password), > Firefox asks you for your master password. Using that it decrypts the > passwords and supplies the username / password for that web page. > > I am using that now for firefox. Of course I also just switched to > Chrome... > > John W. Colby > Colby Consulting > > On 10/2/2011 11:55 AM, Tina Norris Fields wrote: > > Aha! Next question is: How easy would it be for a hacker to get the > > Firefox saved passwords? T > > > > Tina Norris Fields > > tinanfields at torchlake.com > > 231-322-2787 > > > > > > On 9/30/2011 5:58 PM, jwcolby wrote: > >> http://lifehacker.com/154099/geek-to-live--secure-your-saved-passwo > >> rds-in-firefox > >> > >> jwcolby > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Sun Oct 2 17:46:51 2011 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Sun, 02 Oct 2011 18:46:51 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Geek to Live: Secure your saved passwords in Firefox In-Reply-To: <4E88D1C3.113.947AD5F@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: <4E863B87.4080302@colbyconsulting.com>, <4E888972.2070800@torchlake.com>, <4E88A837.5010105@colbyconsulting.com> <4E88D1C3.113.947AD5F@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <4E88E9DB.1080000@colbyconsulting.com> I never had, which is why I posted here when I discovered it. John W. Colby Colby Consulting On 10/2/2011 5:04 PM, Stuart McLachlan wrote: > But I'd bet that the majority of people who have passwords saved in FF have never set a > master passwod. > From marksimms at verizon.net Sun Oct 2 23:22:34 2011 From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms) Date: Mon, 03 Oct 2011 00:22:34 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] 2001 Error - You cancelled the previous operation Message-ID: <000a01cc8184$13da1fb0$3b8e5f10$@net> After hours and hours of testing this, I came to the conclusion that unless I trap the vbKeyEscape in the KeyDown event handler, I am unable to add a new record to a form after an undo has occurred. I get this dreaded 2001 error which appears to be a misleading one. It appears that an UnDo condition throws the form into a tizzy-state. Any method of attempting to add a new record after an undo has occurred either with a RunCommand GotoRecord acNewrec directive or trying to do an AddNew and Bookmark ... all fail. When I kill the escape key, all is well..but of course, my users are mad.they cannot undo the record. Unless I'm missing something , this is definitely a bug, no ? From vbacreations at gmail.com Sun Oct 2 23:31:20 2011 From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson (VBACreations.Com)) Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2011 00:31:20 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] 2001 Error - You cancelled the previous operation In-Reply-To: <000a01cc8184$13da1fb0$3b8e5f10$@net> References: <000a01cc8184$13da1fb0$3b8e5f10$@net> Message-ID: <001201cc8185$4d32a560$e797f020$@gmail.com> I never let Access Add New, I always use unbound controls, and validate field by field, and then use SQL and refresh the form... and I don't have these problems ;-) -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Simms Sent: Monday, October 03, 2011 12:23 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: [AccessD] 2001 Error - You cancelled the previous operation After hours and hours of testing this, I came to the conclusion that unless I trap the vbKeyEscape in the KeyDown event handler, I am unable to add a new record to a form after an undo has occurred. I get this dreaded 2001 error which appears to be a misleading one. It appears that an UnDo condition throws the form into a tizzy-state. Any method of attempting to add a new record after an undo has occurred either with a RunCommand GotoRecord acNewrec directive or trying to do an AddNew and Bookmark ... all fail. When I kill the escape key, all is well..but of course, my users are mad.they cannot undo the record. Unless I'm missing something , this is definitely a bug, no ? -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Sun Oct 2 23:50:39 2011 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Mon, 03 Oct 2011 14:50:39 +1000 Subject: [AccessD] 2001 Error - You cancelled the previous operation In-Reply-To: <001201cc8185$4d32a560$e797f020$@gmail.com> References: <000a01cc8184$13da1fb0$3b8e5f10$@net>, <001201cc8185$4d32a560$e797f020$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4E893F1F.8706.AF2DF11@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> R,DFC -- Stuart On 3 Oct 2011 at 0:31, William Benson (VBACreations. wrote: > I never let Access Add New, I always use unbound controls, and > validate field by field, and then use SQL and refresh the form... and > I don't have these problems ;-) > From vbacreations at gmail.com Mon Oct 3 00:02:06 2011 From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson) Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2011 01:02:06 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] 2001 Error - You cancelled the previous operation In-Reply-To: <4E893F1F.8706.AF2DF11@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: <000a01cc8184$13da1fb0$3b8e5f10$@net> <001201cc8185$4d32a560$e797f020$@gmail.com> <4E893F1F.8706.AF2DF11@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: Registered Democrat for Clinton? What's that stand for? On Oct 3, 2011 12:52 AM, "Stuart McLachlan" wrote: > R,DFC > > -- > Stuart > > On 3 Oct 2011 at 0:31, William Benson (VBACreations. wrote: > >> I never let Access Add New, I always use unbound controls, and >> validate field by field, and then use SQL and refresh the form... and >> I don't have these problems ;-) >> > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au Mon Oct 3 00:13:18 2011 From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins) Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2011 16:13:18 +1100 Subject: [AccessD] 2001 Error - You cancelled the previous operation In-Reply-To: References: <000a01cc8184$13da1fb0$3b8e5f10$@net> <001201cc8185$4d32a560$e797f020$@gmail.com> <4E893F1F.8706.AF2DF11@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <003d01cc818b$2a166610$7e433230$@com.au> Heh, Getting late in the Day in PNG and probably hot too. I reckon Stuart has been drinking that special juice they whip up in that jungle! ;) Glad you asked, I was thinking the same thing! -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Benson Sent: Monday, 3 October 2011 4:02 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] 2001 Error - You cancelled the previous operation Registered Democrat for Clinton? What's that stand for? On Oct 3, 2011 12:52 AM, "Stuart McLachlan" wrote: > R,DFC > > -- > Stuart > > On 3 Oct 2011 at 0:31, William Benson (VBACreations. wrote: > >> I never let Access Add New, I always use unbound controls, and >> validate field by field, and then use SQL and refresh the form... and >> I don't have these problems ;-) >> > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From vbacreations at gmail.com Mon Oct 3 00:22:29 2011 From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson) Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2011 01:22:29 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] 2001 Error - You cancelled the previous operation In-Reply-To: <003d01cc818b$2a166610$7e433230$@com.au> References: <000a01cc8184$13da1fb0$3b8e5f10$@net> <001201cc8185$4d32a560$e797f020$@gmail.com> <4E893F1F.8706.AF2DF11@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <003d01cc818b$2a166610$7e433230$@com.au> Message-ID: The definition I got from urban dictionary is quite offensive so I hope it's not that. On Oct 3, 2011 1:14 AM, "Darryl Collins" wrote: > > Heh, Getting late in the Day in PNG and probably hot too. I reckon Stuart > has been drinking that special juice they whip up in that jungle! ;) > Glad you asked, I was thinking the same thing! > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Benson > Sent: Monday, 3 October 2011 4:02 PM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] 2001 Error - You cancelled the previous operation > > Registered Democrat for Clinton? What's that stand for? > On Oct 3, 2011 12:52 AM, "Stuart McLachlan" wrote: >> R,DFC >> >> -- >> Stuart >> >> On 3 Oct 2011 at 0:31, William Benson (VBACreations. wrote: >> >>> I never let Access Add New, I always use unbound controls, and >>> validate field by field, and then use SQL and refresh the form... and >>> I don't have these problems ;-) >>> >> >> >> -- >> AccessD mailing list >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Mon Oct 3 00:32:00 2011 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Mon, 03 Oct 2011 15:32:00 +1000 Subject: [AccessD] 2001 Error - You cancelled the previous operation In-Reply-To: References: <000a01cc8184$13da1fb0$3b8e5f10$@net>, <4E893F1F.8706.AF2DF11@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>, Message-ID: <4E8948D0.11458.B18B9C7@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Runs, ducking for cover. I'm not going to just sit around waiting for the "bounders" to stick their heads over the parapet :-) -- Stuart On 3 Oct 2011 at 1:02, William Benson wrote: > Registered Democrat for Clinton? What's that stand for? > On Oct 3, 2011 12:52 AM, "Stuart McLachlan" > wrote: > R,DFC > > -- > Stuart > > On 3 Oct 2011 at 0:31, William > Benson (VBACreations. wrote: > >> I never let Access Add New, I always > use unbound controls, and >> validate field by field, and then use SQL > and refresh the form... and >> I don't have these problems ;-) >> > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: > http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From vbacreations at gmail.com Mon Oct 3 00:51:59 2011 From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson) Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2011 01:51:59 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] 2001 Error - You cancelled the previous operation In-Reply-To: <4E8948D0.11458.B18B9C7@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: <000a01cc8184$13da1fb0$3b8e5f10$@net> <4E893F1F.8706.AF2DF11@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <4E8948D0.11458.B18B9C7@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: You think my post at this hour on a Sunday night wasn't strategic? It was only in jest, I mostly don't code for transaction based user activity I code for special functional requirements. On Oct 3, 2011 1:33 AM, "Stuart McLachlan" wrote: > Runs, ducking for cover. > > I'm not going to just sit around waiting for the "bounders" to stick their heads over the parapet > :-) > > -- > Stuart > > On 3 Oct 2011 at 1:02, William Benson wrote: > >> Registered Democrat for Clinton? What's that stand for? > > >> On Oct 3, 2011 12:52 AM, "Stuart McLachlan" >> wrote: > R,DFC > > -- > Stuart > > On 3 Oct 2011 at 0:31, William >> Benson (VBACreations. wrote: > >> I never let Access Add New, I always >> use unbound controls, and >> validate field by field, and then use SQL >> and refresh the form... and >> I don't have these problems ;-) >> > > >> > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: >> http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: >> http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au Mon Oct 3 00:52:45 2011 From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins) Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2011 16:52:45 +1100 Subject: [AccessD] 2001 Error - You cancelled the previous operation In-Reply-To: <4E8948D0.11458.B18B9C7@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: <000a01cc8184$13da1fb0$3b8e5f10$@net>, <4E893F1F.8706.AF2DF11@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>, <4E8948D0.11458.B18B9C7@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <003e01cc8190$acfa2490$06ee6db0$@com.au> HAHAHA, Yeah, great plan. Let's get stuck into them whilst they are all asleep!! Unbound rocks! Unbound is the best and we all know it ;) Aaah, tomorrow's inbox might be, ummm, interesting... Cheers Darryl. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan Sent: Monday, 3 October 2011 4:32 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] 2001 Error - You cancelled the previous operation Runs, ducking for cover. I'm not going to just sit around waiting for the "bounders" to stick their heads over the parapet :-) -- Stuart On 3 Oct 2011 at 1:02, William Benson wrote: > Registered Democrat for Clinton? What's that stand for? > On Oct 3, 2011 12:52 AM, "Stuart McLachlan" > wrote: > R,DFC > > -- > Stuart > > On 3 Oct 2011 at 0:31, William > Benson (VBACreations. wrote: > >> I never let Access Add New, I always > use unbound controls, and >> validate field by field, and then use SQL > and refresh the form... and >> I don't have these problems ;-) >> > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: > http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Mon Oct 3 00:59:09 2011 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Mon, 03 Oct 2011 15:59:09 +1000 Subject: [AccessD] 2001 Error - You cancelled the previous operation In-Reply-To: References: <000a01cc8184$13da1fb0$3b8e5f10$@net>, <4E8948D0.11458.B18B9C7@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>, Message-ID: <4E894F2D.30374.B31967F@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> It's late Monday afternoon for me and Darryl! -- Stuart On 3 Oct 2011 at 1:51, William Benson wrote: > You think my post at this hour on a Sunday night wasn't strategic? From adtp at airtelmail.in Mon Oct 3 06:40:02 2011 From: adtp at airtelmail.in (A.D. Tejpal) Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2011 17:10:02 +0530 Subject: [AccessD] 2001 Error - You cancelled the previous operation References: <000a01cc8184$13da1fb0$3b8e5f10$@net> Message-ID: <663E55F820A34BBE9D3860641594DD95@personal4a8ede> Mark, Could you please furnish the complete code in form's module? Best wishes, A.D. Tejpal ------------ ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark Simms To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Sent: Monday, October 03, 2011 09:52 Subject: [AccessD] 2001 Error - You cancelled the previous operation After hours and hours of testing this, I came to the conclusion that unless I trap the vbKeyEscape in the KeyDown event handler, I am unable to add a new record to a form after an undo has occurred. I get this dreaded 2001 error which appears to be a misleading one. It appears that an UnDo condition throws the form into a tizzy-state. Any method of attempting to add a new record after an undo has occurred either with a RunCommand GotoRecord acNewrec directive or trying to do an AddNew and Bookmark ... all fail. When I kill the escape key, all is well..but of course, my users are mad.they cannot undo the record. Unless I'm missing something , this is definitely a bug, no ? From jimdettman at verizon.net Mon Oct 3 08:04:43 2011 From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman) Date: Mon, 03 Oct 2011 09:04:43 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] 2001 Error - You cancelled the previous operation In-Reply-To: <001201cc8185$4d32a560$e797f020$@gmail.com> References: <000a01cc8184$13da1fb0$3b8e5f10$@net> <001201cc8185$4d32a560$e797f020$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <> Why are you bothering to use Access then? If your going to go through all that work, you might as well use something else that gives you more features and capabilities. Jim. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Benson (VBACreations.Com) Sent: Monday, October 03, 2011 12:31 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] 2001 Error - You cancelled the previous operation I never let Access Add New, I always use unbound controls, and validate field by field, and then use SQL and refresh the form... and I don't have these problems ;-) -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Simms Sent: Monday, October 03, 2011 12:23 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: [AccessD] 2001 Error - You cancelled the previous operation After hours and hours of testing this, I came to the conclusion that unless I trap the vbKeyEscape in the KeyDown event handler, I am unable to add a new record to a form after an undo has occurred. I get this dreaded 2001 error which appears to be a misleading one. It appears that an UnDo condition throws the form into a tizzy-state. Any method of attempting to add a new record after an undo has occurred either with a RunCommand GotoRecord acNewrec directive or trying to do an AddNew and Bookmark ... all fail. When I kill the escape key, all is well..but of course, my users are mad.they cannot undo the record. Unless I'm missing something , this is definitely a bug, no ? -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From DWUTKA at Marlow.com Mon Oct 3 10:02:56 2011 From: DWUTKA at Marlow.com (Drew Wutka) Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2011 10:02:56 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Object or class does not support the set of events In-Reply-To: <4E871AC3.60604@colbyconsulting.com> References: <4E871AC3.60604@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: John, there are several known causes of this issue. One in particular, in relation to Windows 7 and different versions of Access, is that Office 2003 is not being allowed to tweak some registry settings when it boots, after a different version was running. Someone already mentioned, with the system setups you have, you should just stick to one version of Office per machine, will make life easier.... Drew -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2011 8:51 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: [AccessD] Object or class does not support the set of events Holy cow man things just get worse and worse. In lookingup the error message in the subject I found something about having Access "run as administrator". Somehow I found and set that and now *everything* is broken. As I open Access it does the UAC thing (screen dims and asks if i want to allow the application to make changes), then Access tries to open and gives me a "There was a problem sending the command to the program.", then Access does in fact open. What have I done and how do I undo it? I cannot seem to find my back to where I set that property. Will a restore point get rid of this crap? I have billing to get done and I am broken. I have spent two hours on just this stuff and I am now further from a solution than when I started. @#$&*&*^&)(*_)(*)&*%&^#%$#!%*()&_)*_)*(!!!!! -- John W. Colby Colby Consulting -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com The information contained in this transmission is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain II-VI Proprietary and/or II-VI Business Sensitive material. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender immediately and destroy the material in its entirety, whether electronic or hard copy. You are notified that any review, retransmission, copying, disclosure, dissemination, or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. From DWUTKA at Marlow.com Mon Oct 3 10:07:54 2011 From: DWUTKA at Marlow.com (Drew Wutka) Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2011 10:07:54 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] The windows 7 upgrade experience In-Reply-To: <4E870973.3040301@colbyconsulting.com> References: <4E870973.3040301@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: There ya go! Way to stay cutting edge.... Windows 8 is almost out! ;) (Just ribbing ya a bit JWC) Drew -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2011 7:37 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: [AccessD] The windows 7 upgrade experience I moved my 3 year old Dell M90 laptop to Windows. I purchased the Seagate Momentus XT hybrid drive (it has an SSD cache) and did a clean install of Windows 7 and started the migration. So much fun. I also installed Office 2003 and then Office 2010. Now, even though 2003 is the default when I double click an access database, if I right click in a directory and tell it to create a new database, it creates an Access 2010 database. Does anyone know where that property is stored / changed? Windows is soooooo much fun. I have to say I like Windows 7 much better than Vista. I realize it is really just Vista Service Pack 57 but it still just seems to work better. And I really like the combination of the Seagate XT drive and Windows 7 (clean install). So far it is booting to the logon in just a few seconds and from there to a usable desktop in just a few more seconds. And yea, I know that it may not stay that way after installing / uninstalling a jillion things. But for today it feels like a brand new computer. jwcolby Colby Consulting -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com The information contained in this transmission is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain II-VI Proprietary and/or II-VI Business Sensitive material. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender immediately and destroy the material in its entirety, whether electronic or hard copy. You are notified that any review, retransmission, copying, disclosure, dissemination, or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Mon Oct 3 10:44:53 2011 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Mon, 03 Oct 2011 11:44:53 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] 2001 Error - You cancelled the previous operation In-Reply-To: References: <000a01cc8184$13da1fb0$3b8e5f10$@net> <001201cc8185$4d32a560$e797f020$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4E89D875.3010005@colbyconsulting.com> ROTFL. So true, like C#. John W. Colby Colby Consulting On 10/3/2011 9:04 AM, Jim Dettman wrote: > < field by field, and then use SQL and refresh the form...>> > > Why are you bothering to use Access then? If your going to go through all > that work, you might as well use something else that gives you more features > and capabilities. > > Jim. > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Benson > (VBACreations.Com) > Sent: Monday, October 03, 2011 12:31 AM > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > Subject: Re: [AccessD] 2001 Error - You cancelled the previous operation > > I never let Access Add New, I always use unbound controls, and validate > field by field, and then use SQL and refresh the form... and I don't have > these problems ;-) > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Simms > Sent: Monday, October 03, 2011 12:23 AM > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > Subject: [AccessD] 2001 Error - You cancelled the previous operation > > After hours and hours of testing this, I came to the conclusion that unless > I trap the vbKeyEscape in the KeyDown event handler, I am unable to add a > new record to a form after an undo has occurred. I get this dreaded 2001 > error which appears to be a misleading one. > > > > It appears that an UnDo condition throws the form into a tizzy-state. Any > method of attempting to add a new record after an undo has occurred either > with a RunCommand GotoRecord acNewrec directive or trying to do an AddNew > and Bookmark ... all fail. When I kill the escape key, all is well..but of > course, my users are mad.they cannot undo the record. > > > > Unless I'm missing something , this is definitely a bug, no ? > From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Mon Oct 3 10:50:18 2011 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Mon, 03 Oct 2011 11:50:18 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] The windows 7 upgrade experience In-Reply-To: References: <4E870973.3040301@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <4E89D9BA.4030602@colbyconsulting.com> > (Just ribbing ya a bit JWC) LOL. > There ya go! Way to stay cutting edge.... Windows 8 is almost out! ;) I read the other day "The end of an old technology is always way better than the beginning of a new technology" which is pretty much true. I am just getting in on the Windows 7 "end". It is service packed to death and running smoothly, and they will maintain it for many more years. It truly is (almost) an "XP experience" at this point. I actually kind of like it, whereas I hated Vista until the day I stopped using it. Just an FYI, this Seagate Momentus XT drive and Windows 7 is a wonderful experience so far. I had reached the point where I was seriously looking at replacing the laptop because it was so slow. Not any more! John W. Colby Colby Consulting On 10/3/2011 11:07 AM, Drew Wutka wrote: > There ya go! Way to stay cutting edge.... Windows 8 is almost out! ;) > > Drew From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Mon Oct 3 11:25:59 2011 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2011 09:25:59 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Delete Problem Message-ID: <384F09F2B2BC465E9C86D20DAF6D4C70@HAL9007> Dear List: I have a subform which has as its record source a query which joins an Account Receivable table to an account table: SELECT tblAccountsReceivable.fldARID, tblAccountsReceivable.fldAccountNumber, (*** bunch of other fields***) FROM tblAccountsReceivable LEFT JOIN tblAccounts ON tblAccountsReceivable.fldAccountNumber = tblAccounts.fldAccountNumber ORDER BY tblAccountsReceivable.fldARID; where Account Number is the PK of Accounts and the FK in AccountsReceivable. The subform is a continuous form showing the receivable records. When I select a record and hit the delete key the receivable record is deleted but also the Account from tblAccounts! I get the "You are about to delete..." warning message. No cascade delete. I can't understand why it would delete the account. The relationship in the query is one-to-many: one Account, many Accounts Receivable records. Any clues? I'm stumped. MTIA Rocky From dnod at aol.com Mon Oct 3 11:34:14 2011 From: dnod at aol.com (Dean) Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2011 12:34:14 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Delete Problem In-Reply-To: <384F09F2B2BC465E9C86D20DAF6D4C70@HAL9007> References: <384F09F2B2BC465E9C86D20DAF6D4C70@HAL9007> Message-ID: I think you may have answered your own question there. Your query is essentially a table of accounts, with the receivables pulled in. When you select a record to delete, you are selecting the account. I would rework that query, use the FK to to pull the account in as a lookup instead. Regards, Dean On Oct 3, 2011, at 12:25 PM, Rocky Smolin wrote: > Dear List: > > I have a subform which has as its record source a query which joins an > Account Receivable table to an account table: > > SELECT tblAccountsReceivable.fldARID, > tblAccountsReceivable.fldAccountNumber, (*** bunch of other fields***) FROM > tblAccountsReceivable LEFT JOIN tblAccounts ON > tblAccountsReceivable.fldAccountNumber = tblAccounts.fldAccountNumber > ORDER BY tblAccountsReceivable.fldARID; > > where Account Number is the PK of Accounts and the FK in AccountsReceivable. > > The subform is a continuous form showing the receivable records. When I > select a record and hit the delete key the receivable record is deleted but > also the Account from tblAccounts! > > I get the "You are about to delete..." warning message. > > No cascade delete. > > I can't understand why it would delete the account. The relationship in the > query is one-to-many: one Account, many Accounts Receivable records. > > Any clues? I'm stumped. > > MTIA > > Rocky > > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Mon Oct 3 11:45:00 2011 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2011 09:45:00 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Delete Problem In-Reply-To: References: <384F09F2B2BC465E9C86D20DAF6D4C70@HAL9007> Message-ID: <0843D0FBD16747CABAA4DD0E8C7908BF@HAL9007> Dean: Looks to me like it's a table of Accounts Receivable - the only field from tblAccounts I need is the account Name. No? fldName is the only field from tblAccounts in the query. Is there a way to rewrite the query so that it wouldn't delete the Account only the Receivable record? TIA Rocky -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dean Sent: Monday, October 03, 2011 9:34 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Delete Problem I think you may have answered your own question there. Your query is essentially a table of accounts, with the receivables pulled in. When you select a record to delete, you are selecting the account. I would rework that query, use the FK to to pull the account in as a lookup instead. Regards, Dean On Oct 3, 2011, at 12:25 PM, Rocky Smolin wrote: > Dear List: > > I have a subform which has as its record source a query which joins an > Account Receivable table to an account table: > > SELECT tblAccountsReceivable.fldARID, > tblAccountsReceivable.fldAccountNumber, (*** bunch of other fields***) > FROM tblAccountsReceivable LEFT JOIN tblAccounts ON > tblAccountsReceivable.fldAccountNumber = tblAccounts.fldAccountNumber > ORDER BY tblAccountsReceivable.fldARID; > > where Account Number is the PK of Accounts and the FK in AccountsReceivable. > > The subform is a continuous form showing the receivable records. When > I select a record and hit the delete key the receivable record is > deleted but also the Account from tblAccounts! > > I get the "You are about to delete..." warning message. > > No cascade delete. > > I can't understand why it would delete the account. The relationship > in the query is one-to-many: one Account, many Accounts Receivable records. > > Any clues? I'm stumped. > > MTIA > > Rocky > > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From dnod at aol.com Mon Oct 3 11:58:34 2011 From: dnod at aol.com (Dean) Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2011 12:58:34 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Delete Problem In-Reply-To: <0843D0FBD16747CABAA4DD0E8C7908BF@HAL9007> References: <384F09F2B2BC465E9C86D20DAF6D4C70@HAL9007> <0843D0FBD16747CABAA4DD0E8C7908BF@HAL9007> Message-ID: <1A87C5AF-D40D-4D0C-BB27-8CF4A19B9A1E@aol.com> well, pardon me for jumping to conclusions. on further inspections it is more like what I suggested than what I thought I saw. I assume you parent form has the accounts table PK. Are you sure you are initiating delete from the subform? You may be calling delete on the main form. I would trap that and disallow any uncontrolled processes by running all actions through the CBF. This way you provide your own, more meaningful warning message, verify and run an action query of your own. Regards, Dean On Oct 3, 2011, at 12:45 PM, Rocky Smolin wrote: > Dean: > > Looks to me like it's a table of Accounts Receivable - the only field from > tblAccounts I need is the account Name. No? fldName is the only field from > tblAccounts in the query. > > Is there a way to rewrite the query so that it wouldn't delete the Account > only the Receivable record? > > TIA > > Rocky > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dean > Sent: Monday, October 03, 2011 9:34 AM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Delete Problem > > I think you may have answered your own question there. Your query is > essentially a table of accounts, with the receivables pulled in. When you > select a record to delete, you are selecting the account. I would rework > that query, use the FK to to pull the account in as a lookup instead. > > Regards, Dean > > > On Oct 3, 2011, at 12:25 PM, Rocky Smolin wrote: > >> Dear List: >> >> I have a subform which has as its record source a query which joins an >> Account Receivable table to an account table: >> >> SELECT tblAccountsReceivable.fldARID, >> tblAccountsReceivable.fldAccountNumber, (*** bunch of other fields***) >> FROM tblAccountsReceivable LEFT JOIN tblAccounts ON >> tblAccountsReceivable.fldAccountNumber = tblAccounts.fldAccountNumber >> ORDER BY tblAccountsReceivable.fldARID; >> >> where Account Number is the PK of Accounts and the FK in > AccountsReceivable. >> >> The subform is a continuous form showing the receivable records. When >> I select a record and hit the delete key the receivable record is >> deleted but also the Account from tblAccounts! >> >> I get the "You are about to delete..." warning message. >> >> No cascade delete. >> >> I can't understand why it would delete the account. The relationship >> in the query is one-to-many: one Account, many Accounts Receivable > records. >> >> Any clues? I'm stumped. >> >> MTIA >> >> Rocky >> >> >> >> >> -- >> AccessD mailing list >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From marksimms at verizon.net Mon Oct 3 12:07:41 2011 From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms) Date: Mon, 03 Oct 2011 13:07:41 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] 2001 Error - You cancelled the previous operation In-Reply-To: <663E55F820A34BBE9D3860641594DD95@personal4a8ede> References: <000a01cc8184$13da1fb0$3b8e5f10$@net> <663E55F820A34BBE9D3860641594DD95@personal4a8ede> Message-ID: <009e01cc81ee$f67b5860$e3720920$@net> After sleeping on this (and I swear I solve all of my difficult problems this way).... The answer was obvious: Me.Requery right after the Undo. Heck, why was that ? Simple: There are few other form level methods to use anyway !! Is it a good solution: Absolutely not. I now have to remember the record number prior to the Add, and then navigate back to it. That being said, I still could not put the datasheet portion of the form back to it's original set of records as there is no way of insuring the first record in the scrolled list appears as #1 in the list. Instead, the remembered record number shows up as the first in the list. I need a Screen.Activesheet.FirstRecord settable property. All in all: It was definitely a bug.....tested in AC2010 - orig release, using a SplitForm. I'll bet it's still in AC2007-SP2. > Mark, > > Could you please furnish the complete code in form's module? > > Best wishes, > A.D. Tejpal From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Mon Oct 3 12:10:44 2011 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2011 10:10:44 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Delete Problem In-Reply-To: <1A87C5AF-D40D-4D0C-BB27-8CF4A19B9A1E@aol.com> References: <384F09F2B2BC465E9C86D20DAF6D4C70@HAL9007><0843D0FBD16747CABAA4DD0E8C7908BF@HAL9007> <1A87C5AF-D40D-4D0C-BB27-8CF4A19B9A1E@aol.com> Message-ID: Dean: Actually, the main form has no record source. It just holds the subform (among other things.). SO I am initiating the delete from the subform. So the accounts table is only in the record source of the subform. Regards, Rocky -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dean Sent: Monday, October 03, 2011 9:59 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Delete Problem well, pardon me for jumping to conclusions. on further inspections it is more like what I suggested than what I thought I saw. I assume you parent form has the accounts table PK. Are you sure you are initiating delete from the subform? You may be calling delete on the main form. I would trap that and disallow any uncontrolled processes by running all actions through the CBF. This way you provide your own, more meaningful warning message, verify and run an action query of your own. Regards, Dean On Oct 3, 2011, at 12:45 PM, Rocky Smolin wrote: > Dean: > > Looks to me like it's a table of Accounts Receivable - the only field > from tblAccounts I need is the account Name. No? fldName is the only > field from tblAccounts in the query. > > Is there a way to rewrite the query so that it wouldn't delete the > Account only the Receivable record? > > TIA > > Rocky > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dean > Sent: Monday, October 03, 2011 9:34 AM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Delete Problem > > I think you may have answered your own question there. Your query is > essentially a table of accounts, with the receivables pulled in. When > you select a record to delete, you are selecting the account. I would > rework that query, use the FK to to pull the account in as a lookup instead. > > Regards, Dean > > > On Oct 3, 2011, at 12:25 PM, Rocky Smolin wrote: > >> Dear List: >> >> I have a subform which has as its record source a query which joins >> an Account Receivable table to an account table: >> >> SELECT tblAccountsReceivable.fldARID, >> tblAccountsReceivable.fldAccountNumber, (*** bunch of other >> fields***) FROM tblAccountsReceivable LEFT JOIN tblAccounts ON >> tblAccountsReceivable.fldAccountNumber = tblAccounts.fldAccountNumber >> ORDER BY tblAccountsReceivable.fldARID; >> >> where Account Number is the PK of Accounts and the FK in > AccountsReceivable. >> >> The subform is a continuous form showing the receivable records. >> When I select a record and hit the delete key the receivable record >> is deleted but also the Account from tblAccounts! >> >> I get the "You are about to delete..." warning message. >> >> No cascade delete. >> >> I can't understand why it would delete the account. The relationship >> in the query is one-to-many: one Account, many Accounts Receivable > records. >> >> Any clues? I'm stumped. >> >> MTIA >> >> Rocky >> >> >> >> >> -- >> AccessD mailing list >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Mon Oct 3 12:21:32 2011 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2011 10:21:32 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Delete Problem In-Reply-To: References: <384F09F2B2BC465E9C86D20DAF6D4C70@HAL9007><0843D0FBD16747CABAA4DD0E8C7908BF@HAL9007><1A87C5AF-D40D-4D0C-BB27-8CF4A19B9A1E@aol.com> Message-ID: <557560D014D144479B9B64408999739A@HAL9007> OK, I worked around the problem by putting a delete button on the main form and using: Private Sub cmdDelete_Click() intReply = MsgBox("Are you certain you want to delete this Receivable record?", vbYesNo) If intReply = vbNo Then Exit Sub Set db = CurrentDb db.Execute "Delete * FROM tblAccountsReceivable WHERE fldARID = " & Me.subfrmAccountsReceivable!fldARID db.Close Me.subfrmAccountsReceivable.Requery End Sub And setting AllowDeletions on the subform to false But it's still a mystery. Rocky -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: Monday, October 03, 2011 10:11 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Delete Problem Dean: Actually, the main form has no record source. It just holds the subform (among other things.). SO I am initiating the delete from the subform. So the accounts table is only in the record source of the subform. Regards, Rocky -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dean Sent: Monday, October 03, 2011 9:59 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Delete Problem well, pardon me for jumping to conclusions. on further inspections it is more like what I suggested than what I thought I saw. I assume you parent form has the accounts table PK. Are you sure you are initiating delete from the subform? You may be calling delete on the main form. I would trap that and disallow any uncontrolled processes by running all actions through the CBF. This way you provide your own, more meaningful warning message, verify and run an action query of your own. Regards, Dean On Oct 3, 2011, at 12:45 PM, Rocky Smolin wrote: > Dean: > > Looks to me like it's a table of Accounts Receivable - the only field > from tblAccounts I need is the account Name. No? fldName is the only > field from tblAccounts in the query. > > Is there a way to rewrite the query so that it wouldn't delete the > Account only the Receivable record? > > TIA > > Rocky > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dean > Sent: Monday, October 03, 2011 9:34 AM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Delete Problem > > I think you may have answered your own question there. Your query is > essentially a table of accounts, with the receivables pulled in. When > you select a record to delete, you are selecting the account. I would > rework that query, use the FK to to pull the account in as a lookup instead. > > Regards, Dean > > > On Oct 3, 2011, at 12:25 PM, Rocky Smolin wrote: > >> Dear List: >> >> I have a subform which has as its record source a query which joins >> an Account Receivable table to an account table: >> >> SELECT tblAccountsReceivable.fldARID, >> tblAccountsReceivable.fldAccountNumber, (*** bunch of other >> fields***) FROM tblAccountsReceivable LEFT JOIN tblAccounts ON >> tblAccountsReceivable.fldAccountNumber = tblAccounts.fldAccountNumber >> ORDER BY tblAccountsReceivable.fldARID; >> >> where Account Number is the PK of Accounts and the FK in > AccountsReceivable. >> >> The subform is a continuous form showing the receivable records. >> When I select a record and hit the delete key the receivable record >> is deleted but also the Account from tblAccounts! >> >> I get the "You are about to delete..." warning message. >> >> No cascade delete. >> >> I can't understand why it would delete the account. The relationship >> in the query is one-to-many: one Account, many Accounts Receivable > records. >> >> Any clues? I'm stumped. >> >> MTIA >> >> Rocky >> >> >> >> >> -- >> AccessD mailing list >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From dnod at aol.com Mon Oct 3 12:22:32 2011 From: dnod at aol.com (Dean) Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2011 13:22:32 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Delete Problem In-Reply-To: References: <384F09F2B2BC465E9C86D20DAF6D4C70@HAL9007><0843D0FBD16747CABAA4DD0E8C7908BF@HAL9007> <1A87C5AF-D40D-4D0C-BB27-8CF4A19B9A1E@aol.com> Message-ID: If you do not have the PK for the accounts anywhere in the parent or the subform, I don't see how hitting the delete key would do it. You don't have any events running a procedure or macro? I am not a SQL statement expert, but that statement does not seem to me able to cause what you describe. I would double check the relationship settings, you said there are no cascade delete settings but that would surely fit. Check your event procedures on both forms. Is something being triggered that you were not expecting, or perhaps you mistakenly referenced the accounts table in code or macro. Regards, Dean On Oct 3, 2011, at 1:10 PM, Rocky Smolin wrote: > Dean: > > Actually, the main form has no record source. It just holds the subform > (among other things.). SO I am initiating the delete from the subform. So > the accounts table is only in the record source of the subform. > > Regards, Rocky > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dean > Sent: Monday, October 03, 2011 9:59 AM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Delete Problem > > well, pardon me for jumping to conclusions. on further inspections it is > more like what I suggested than what I thought I saw. > > I assume you parent form has the accounts table PK. > Are you sure you are initiating delete from the subform? You may be calling > delete on the main form. I would trap that and disallow any uncontrolled > processes by running all actions through the CBF. This way you provide your > own, more meaningful warning message, verify and run an action query of your > own. > > Regards, Dean > > > On Oct 3, 2011, at 12:45 PM, Rocky Smolin wrote: > >> Dean: >> >> Looks to me like it's a table of Accounts Receivable - the only field >> from tblAccounts I need is the account Name. No? fldName is the only >> field from tblAccounts in the query. >> >> Is there a way to rewrite the query so that it wouldn't delete the >> Account only the Receivable record? >> >> TIA >> >> Rocky >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dean >> Sent: Monday, October 03, 2011 9:34 AM >> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving >> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Delete Problem >> >> I think you may have answered your own question there. Your query is >> essentially a table of accounts, with the receivables pulled in. When >> you select a record to delete, you are selecting the account. I would >> rework that query, use the FK to to pull the account in as a lookup > instead. >> >> Regards, Dean >> >> >> On Oct 3, 2011, at 12:25 PM, Rocky Smolin wrote: >> >>> Dear List: >>> >>> I have a subform which has as its record source a query which joins >>> an Account Receivable table to an account table: >>> >>> SELECT tblAccountsReceivable.fldARID, >>> tblAccountsReceivable.fldAccountNumber, (*** bunch of other >>> fields***) FROM tblAccountsReceivable LEFT JOIN tblAccounts ON >>> tblAccountsReceivable.fldAccountNumber = tblAccounts.fldAccountNumber >>> ORDER BY tblAccountsReceivable.fldARID; >>> >>> where Account Number is the PK of Accounts and the FK in >> AccountsReceivable. >>> >>> The subform is a continuous form showing the receivable records. >>> When I select a record and hit the delete key the receivable record >>> is deleted but also the Account from tblAccounts! >>> >>> I get the "You are about to delete..." warning message. >>> >>> No cascade delete. >>> >>> I can't understand why it would delete the account. The relationship >>> in the query is one-to-many: one Account, many Accounts Receivable >> records. >>> >>> Any clues? I'm stumped. >>> >>> MTIA >>> >>> Rocky >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> AccessD mailing list >>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> >> -- >> AccessD mailing list >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> -- >> AccessD mailing list >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From dnod at aol.com Mon Oct 3 12:25:37 2011 From: dnod at aol.com (Dean) Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2011 13:25:37 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Delete Problem In-Reply-To: <557560D014D144479B9B64408999739A@HAL9007> References: <384F09F2B2BC465E9C86D20DAF6D4C70@HAL9007><0843D0FBD16747CABAA4DD0E8C7908BF@HAL9007><1A87C5AF-D40D-4D0C-BB27-8CF4A19B9A1E@aol.com> <557560D014D144479B9B64408999739A@HAL9007> Message-ID: I think that is better anyway. I try to limit all possible actions that way as a matter of course. Regards, Dean On Oct 3, 2011, at 1:21 PM, Rocky Smolin wrote: > OK, I worked around the problem by putting a delete button on the main form > and using: > > Private Sub cmdDelete_Click() > > intReply = MsgBox("Are you certain you want to delete this Receivable > record?", vbYesNo) > If intReply = vbNo Then Exit Sub > > Set db = CurrentDb > db.Execute "Delete * FROM tblAccountsReceivable WHERE fldARID = " & > Me.subfrmAccountsReceivable!fldARID > db.Close > Me.subfrmAccountsReceivable.Requery > > End Sub > > And setting AllowDeletions on the subform to false > > But it's still a mystery. > > > Rocky > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin > Sent: Monday, October 03, 2011 10:11 AM > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Delete Problem > > Dean: > > Actually, the main form has no record source. It just holds the subform > (among other things.). SO I am initiating the delete from the subform. So > the accounts table is only in the record source of the subform. > > Regards, Rocky > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dean > Sent: Monday, October 03, 2011 9:59 AM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Delete Problem > > well, pardon me for jumping to conclusions. on further inspections it is > more like what I suggested than what I thought I saw. > > I assume you parent form has the accounts table PK. > Are you sure you are initiating delete from the subform? You may be calling > delete on the main form. I would trap that and disallow any uncontrolled > processes by running all actions through the CBF. This way you provide your > own, more meaningful warning message, verify and run an action query of your > own. > > Regards, Dean > > > On Oct 3, 2011, at 12:45 PM, Rocky Smolin wrote: > >> Dean: >> >> Looks to me like it's a table of Accounts Receivable - the only field >> from tblAccounts I need is the account Name. No? fldName is the only >> field from tblAccounts in the query. >> >> Is there a way to rewrite the query so that it wouldn't delete the >> Account only the Receivable record? >> >> TIA >> >> Rocky >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dean >> Sent: Monday, October 03, 2011 9:34 AM >> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving >> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Delete Problem >> >> I think you may have answered your own question there. Your query is >> essentially a table of accounts, with the receivables pulled in. When >> you select a record to delete, you are selecting the account. I would >> rework that query, use the FK to to pull the account in as a lookup > instead. >> >> Regards, Dean >> >> >> On Oct 3, 2011, at 12:25 PM, Rocky Smolin wrote: >> >>> Dear List: >>> >>> I have a subform which has as its record source a query which joins >>> an Account Receivable table to an account table: >>> >>> SELECT tblAccountsReceivable.fldARID, >>> tblAccountsReceivable.fldAccountNumber, (*** bunch of other >>> fields***) FROM tblAccountsReceivable LEFT JOIN tblAccounts ON >>> tblAccountsReceivable.fldAccountNumber = tblAccounts.fldAccountNumber >>> ORDER BY tblAccountsReceivable.fldARID; >>> >>> where Account Number is the PK of Accounts and the FK in >> AccountsReceivable. >>> >>> The subform is a continuous form showing the receivable records. >>> When I select a record and hit the delete key the receivable record >>> is deleted but also the Account from tblAccounts! >>> >>> I get the "You are about to delete..." warning message. >>> >>> No cascade delete. >>> >>> I can't understand why it would delete the account. The relationship >>> in the query is one-to-many: one Account, many Accounts Receivable >> records. >>> >>> Any clues? I'm stumped. >>> >>> MTIA >>> >>> Rocky >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> AccessD mailing list >>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> >> -- >> AccessD mailing list >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> -- >> AccessD mailing list >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From vbacreations at gmail.com Mon Oct 3 14:20:49 2011 From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson (VBACreations.Com)) Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2011 15:20:49 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Optimizing query when select part requires a calculation Message-ID: <004b01cc8201$8fc0d7e0$af4287a0$@gmail.com> Optimizing a query that compares calculated result from each table. I have 2 tables Tbl1 and Tbl2, each with the same two columns [A] and [B]; I wanted to ask Access what values from the combination of these two fields exist in one but not the other. I used "|" as a separator. I want to know (1) Why method 1a and 1b are equivalent (2) Why Method 2 is not required (ie, why can I test either item for Null and it represents the combination is null, not the single field on its own) (3) Why Method 3 takes hundreds of times longer 'METHOD 1a SELECT [Tbl1].[A] & "|" & [Tbl1].[B] AS ResultX FROM Tbl1 LEFT JOIN Tbl2 ON (Tbl1.[B] = Tbl2.[B]) AND (Tbl1.[A] = Tbl2.[A]) WHERE Tbl2.A Is Null 'METHOD 1a SELECT [Tbl1].[A] & "|" & [Tbl1].[B] AS ResultX FROM Tbl1 LEFT JOIN Tbl2 ON (Tbl1.[B] = Tbl2.[B]) AND (Tbl1.[A] = Tbl2.[A]) WHERE Tbl2.B Is Null 'METHOD 2 SELECT [Tbl1].[A] & "|" & [Tbl1].[B] AS ResultX FROM Tbl1 LEFT JOIN Tbl2 ON (Tbl1.[B] = Tbl2.[B]) AND (Tbl1.[A] = Tbl2.[A]) WHERE (Tbl2.A Is Null OR Tbl2.B Is Null) <--- Testing both seems not necessary 'METHOD 3 Select [Tbl1].[A] & "|" & [Tbl1].[B] as ResultX >From [Tbl1] Where [Tbl1].[A] & "|" & [Tbl1].[B] Not IN (Select [Tbl2].[A] & "|" & [Tbl2].[B] as ResultY From [Tbl2]) From marksimms at verizon.net Mon Oct 3 15:47:45 2011 From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms) Date: Mon, 03 Oct 2011 16:47:45 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] 2001 Error - You cancelled the previous operation - THE FINAL WORD In-Reply-To: <009e01cc81ee$f67b5860$e3720920$@net> References: <000a01cc8184$13da1fb0$3b8e5f10$@net> <663E55F820A34BBE9D3860641594DD95@personal4a8ede> <009e01cc81ee$f67b5860$e3720920$@net> Message-ID: <002d01cc820d$b4c0ed30$1e42c790$@net> > All in all: It was definitely a bug.....tested in AC2010 - orig > release, > using a SplitForm. > I'll bet it's still in AC2007-SP2. What a story!! Ported the FE and BE to AC2007. However, I had a use a HEX EDITOR to make the 2010 BE compatible with AC2007. This is well documented: http://www.utteraccess.com/forum/print.html&client=printer&f=54&t=1948489 BTW: I used Winhex - greatly recommended. Strangely, on my first test in AC2007, I initially was getting a DIFFERENT ERROR MESSAGE. One related to disabling a control that had the focus. My GUI is complex and so that is a typical overlooked situation. I fixed that problem and of course the rest is history: No more 2001 errors - that was bogus. No need for Requery. Problem was totally and completely in AC2010 - an error condition occurred that was not trapped by "ON ERROR..." THAT'S IT. I cannot imagine what OTHER situations I am going to encounter in 2010. This could be scary. From jimdettman at verizon.net Mon Oct 3 16:31:24 2011 From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman) Date: Mon, 03 Oct 2011 17:31:24 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] 2001 Error - You cancelled the previous operation - THE FINAL WORD In-Reply-To: <002d01cc820d$b4c0ed30$1e42c790$@net> References: <000a01cc8184$13da1fb0$3b8e5f10$@net> <663E55F820A34BBE9D3860641594DD95@personal4a8ede> <009e01cc81ee$f67b5860$e3720920$@net> <002d01cc820d$b4c0ed30$1e42c790$@net> Message-ID: <85C3C754FE65449E948B7101BDC8739C@XPS> >From that other thread: "I've exported my 80 forms and reports using SaveAsText (programmatically) and then manually opened each text file and searched for "Empty"." EatBloat really missed the boat...would have been a real seller. Jim. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Simms Sent: Monday, October 03, 2011 04:48 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] 2001 Error - You cancelled the previous operation - THE FINAL WORD > All in all: It was definitely a bug.....tested in AC2010 - orig > release, > using a SplitForm. > I'll bet it's still in AC2007-SP2. What a story!! Ported the FE and BE to AC2007. However, I had a use a HEX EDITOR to make the 2010 BE compatible with AC2007. This is well documented: http://www.utteraccess.com/forum/print.html&client=printer&f=54&t=1948489 BTW: I used Winhex - greatly recommended. Strangely, on my first test in AC2007, I initially was getting a DIFFERENT ERROR MESSAGE. One related to disabling a control that had the focus. My GUI is complex and so that is a typical overlooked situation. I fixed that problem and of course the rest is history: No more 2001 errors - that was bogus. No need for Requery. Problem was totally and completely in AC2010 - an error condition occurred that was not trapped by "ON ERROR..." THAT'S IT. I cannot imagine what OTHER situations I am going to encounter in 2010. This could be scary. -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Mon Oct 3 17:12:00 2011 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2011 08:12:00 +1000 Subject: [AccessD] 2001 Error - You cancelled the previous operation - THE FINAL WORD In-Reply-To: <002d01cc820d$b4c0ed30$1e42c790$@net> References: <000a01cc8184$13da1fb0$3b8e5f10$@net>, <009e01cc81ee$f67b5860$e3720920$@net>, <002d01cc820d$b4c0ed30$1e42c790$@net> Message-ID: <4E8A3330.9759.EAC442D@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Hack an Access container folder to fool it into thinking it is a different version and all bets are off. You can't know all of the circumstances where those hacked bits are used in some sort of test. -- Stuart On 3 Oct 2011 at 16:47, Mark Simms wrote: > > All in all: It was definitely a bug.....tested in AC2010 - orig > > release, > > using a SplitForm. > > I'll bet it's still in AC2007-SP2. > > What a story!! Ported the FE and BE to AC2007. However, I had a use a HEX > EDITOR to make the 2010 BE compatible with AC2007. This is well documented: > http://www.utteraccess.com/forum/print.html&client=printer&f=54&t=1948489 > BTW: I used Winhex - greatly recommended. > > Strangely, on my first test in AC2007, I initially was getting a DIFFERENT > ERROR MESSAGE. > One related to disabling a control that had the focus. > My GUI is complex and so that is a typical overlooked situation. > I fixed that problem and of course the rest is history: > No more 2001 errors - that was bogus. No need for Requery. > > Problem was totally and completely in AC2010 - an error condition occurred > that was not trapped by "ON ERROR..." > THAT'S IT. I cannot imagine what OTHER situations I am going to encounter in > 2010. This could be scary. > From vbacreations at gmail.com Mon Oct 3 17:45:41 2011 From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson) Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2011 18:45:41 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] 2001 Error - You cancelled the previous operation - THE FINAL WORD In-Reply-To: <4E8A3330.9759.EAC442D@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: <000a01cc8184$13da1fb0$3b8e5f10$@net> <009e01cc81ee$f67b5860$e3720920$@net> <002d01cc820d$b4c0ed30$1e42c790$@net> <4E8A3330.9759.EAC442D@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: You guys need a separate LISTSERV where you discuss all the things not fit for mere mortals. On Oct 3, 2011 6:14 PM, "Stuart McLachlan" wrote: > Hack an Access container folder to fool it into thinking it is a different version and all bets are > off. You can't know all of the circumstances where those hacked bits are used in some sort > of test. > > -- > Stuart > > On 3 Oct 2011 at 16:47, Mark Simms wrote: > >> > All in all: It was definitely a bug.....tested in AC2010 - orig >> > release, >> > using a SplitForm. >> > I'll bet it's still in AC2007-SP2. >> >> What a story!! Ported the FE and BE to AC2007. However, I had a use a HEX >> EDITOR to make the 2010 BE compatible with AC2007. This is well documented: >> http://www.utteraccess.com/forum/print.html&client=printer&f=54&t=1948489 >> BTW: I used Winhex - greatly recommended. >> >> Strangely, on my first test in AC2007, I initially was getting a DIFFERENT >> ERROR MESSAGE. >> One related to disabling a control that had the focus. >> My GUI is complex and so that is a typical overlooked situation. >> I fixed that problem and of course the rest is history: >> No more 2001 errors - that was bogus. No need for Requery. >> >> Problem was totally and completely in AC2010 - an error condition occurred >> that was not trapped by "ON ERROR..." >> THAT'S IT. I cannot imagine what OTHER situations I am going to encounter in >> 2010. This could be scary. >> > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au Mon Oct 3 20:48:24 2011 From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins) Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2011 12:48:24 +1100 Subject: [AccessD] Update on W7 SP1 breaking ADO Message-ID: <001401cc8237$b4ac88c0$1e059a40$@com.au> Well, The story so far... In short. You can download a beta version of W8 which has this issue fully resolved (well, according to MS anyway, although the comments from others seem encouraging at least). They are in the crapper with this one and what to do with SP1 on W7. They are aware it is a major screw up which has impacted many high value customers big time and seem unclear on the best way to resolve it. Good news is for the first time there are hints of the fix being rolled out via a service pack, probably an updated SP1 as there is no release schedule for SP2 yet. Bad news is it seems to be scheduled for next year at the earliest. Given the issue first came to light around Jan 2011, it is hardly an stellar response from MS. They do admit it is a tricky and complex thing to fix, but you really would have thought this issue would have been indentified during pre-release testing. Frankly, downloading a beta version of W8 into a virtual environment is hardly a decent fix right now for most folks.... Anyway... Darryl Collins Whittle Consulting Pty Ltd Suite 8, 660 Canterbury Rd Surrey Hills, VIC, 3127 e: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au w: www.whittleconsulting.com.au From accessd at shaw.ca Mon Oct 3 23:52:52 2011 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2011 21:52:52 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Update on W7 SP1 breaking ADO In-Reply-To: <001401cc8237$b4ac88c0$1e059a40$@com.au> References: <001401cc8237$b4ac88c0$1e059a40$@com.au> Message-ID: <198F5DFD77EA41428D8309F917969D7C@creativesystemdesigns.com> Well, that,s good news...ADO is back. :-) (...but not until spring.) Jim -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darryl Collins Sent: Monday, October 03, 2011 6:48 PM To: 'Microsoft Excel Developers List'; 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: [AccessD] Update on W7 SP1 breaking ADO Well, The story so far... In short. You can download a beta version of W8 which has this issue fully resolved (well, according to MS anyway, although the comments from others seem encouraging at least). They are in the crapper with this one and what to do with SP1 on W7. They are aware it is a major screw up which has impacted many high value customers big time and seem unclear on the best way to resolve it. Good news is for the first time there are hints of the fix being rolled out via a service pack, probably an updated SP1 as there is no release schedule for SP2 yet. Bad news is it seems to be scheduled for next year at the earliest. Given the issue first came to light around Jan 2011, it is hardly an stellar response from MS. They do admit it is a tricky and complex thing to fix, but you really would have thought this issue would have been indentified during pre-release testing. Frankly, downloading a beta version of W8 into a virtual environment is hardly a decent fix right now for most folks.... Anyway... Darryl Collins Whittle Consulting Pty Ltd Suite 8, 660 Canterbury Rd Surrey Hills, VIC, 3127 e: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au w: www.whittleconsulting.com.au -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au Tue Oct 4 00:30:54 2011 From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins) Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2011 16:30:54 +1100 Subject: [AccessD] Update on W7 SP1 breaking ADO In-Reply-To: <198F5DFD77EA41428D8309F917969D7C@creativesystemdesigns.com> References: <001401cc8237$b4ac88c0$1e059a40$@com.au> <198F5DFD77EA41428D8309F917969D7C@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: <001a01cc8256$c9afc600$5d0f5200$@com.au> Hehehehe, yeah something like that. Just in time for MS to drop it altogether if the rumours are to be believed.... -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Tuesday, 4 October 2011 3:53 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Update on W7 SP1 breaking ADO Well, that,s good news...ADO is back. :-) (...but not until spring.) Jim -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darryl Collins Sent: Monday, October 03, 2011 6:48 PM To: 'Microsoft Excel Developers List'; 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: [AccessD] Update on W7 SP1 breaking ADO Well, The story so far... In short. You can download a beta version of W8 which has this issue fully resolved (well, according to MS anyway, although the comments from others seem encouraging at least). They are in the crapper with this one and what to do with SP1 on W7. They are aware it is a major screw up which has impacted many high value customers big time and seem unclear on the best way to resolve it. Good news is for the first time there are hints of the fix being rolled out via a service pack, probably an updated SP1 as there is no release schedule for SP2 yet. Bad news is it seems to be scheduled for next year at the earliest. Given the issue first came to light around Jan 2011, it is hardly an stellar response from MS. They do admit it is a tricky and complex thing to fix, but you really would have thought this issue would have been indentified during pre-release testing. Frankly, downloading a beta version of W8 into a virtual environment is hardly a decent fix right now for most folks.... Anyway... Darryl Collins Whittle Consulting Pty Ltd Suite 8, 660 Canterbury Rd Surrey Hills, VIC, 3127 e: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au w: www.whittleconsulting.com.au -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Tue Oct 4 08:12:55 2011 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2011 09:12:55 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Access 2010 how to Message-ID: <4E8B0657.7040500@colbyconsulting.com> I am forced to use Access 2010 and so I am lost. How do I see the widget (pane?) on the left with all the tables, forms, queries etc. I am in a view where all I see are the tables, and oh my goodness, I see every damned thing remotely associated with every table. I so don't care about all of that stuff, though it could be useful at times. I just need to see a list of all my forms, or all my modules, or all my reports. Help me please. (My daughter Allie says that, in a plaintive little voice). -- John W. Colby Colby Consulting From ssharkins at gmail.com Tue Oct 4 08:18:57 2011 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2011 09:18:57 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Access 2010 how to References: <4E8B0657.7040500@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <668004D429CB4E019872A047C01461AA@SusanHarkins> There's a dropdown list at the top of the Navigation Pain in the... Pane. Choose Object Type. Then, you can choose the specific type of object. Susan H. >I am forced to use Access 2010 and so I am lost. > > How do I see the widget (pane?) on the left with all the tables, forms, > queries etc. > > I am in a view where all I see are the tables, and oh my goodness, I see > every damned thing remotely associated with every table. I so don't care > about all of that stuff, though it could be useful at times. > > I just need to see a list of all my forms, or all my modules, or all my > reports. > > Help me please. (My daughter Allie says that, in a plaintive little > voice). From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Tue Oct 4 08:51:38 2011 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2011 09:51:38 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Crome and LogMeIn full screen mode Message-ID: <4E8B0F6A.4090800@colbyconsulting.com> Chrome does not work correctly with LogmeIn full screen mode. In Firefox it causes the browser to maximize and the Windows task bar to disappear as well as all of the firefox toolbars. In chrome something happens, i.e. the screen moves around but the task / toolbars remain. -- John W. Colby Colby Consulting From Gustav at cactus.dk Tue Oct 4 09:09:34 2011 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2011 16:09:34 +0200 Subject: [AccessD] Crome and LogMeIn full screen mode Message-ID: Hi John I believe IE is the only browser that works 100% with LogMeIn. /gustav >>> jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com 04-10-2011 15:51 >>> Chrome does not work correctly with LogmeIn full screen mode. In Firefox it causes the browser to maximize and the Windows task bar to disappear as well as all of the firefox toolbars. In chrome something happens, i.e. the screen moves around but the task / toolbars remain. -- John W. Colby Colby Consulting From edzedz at comcast.net Tue Oct 4 09:11:37 2011 From: edzedz at comcast.net (Edward Zuris) Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2011 08:11:37 -0600 Subject: [AccessD] Crome and LogMeIn full screen mode In-Reply-To: <4E8B0F6A.4090800@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <004801cc829f$87d73260$5bdea8c0@edz1> Speaking of logmein. If you did a logmein install through the Dos method. How do you uninstall it ? -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2011 7:52 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: [AccessD] Crome and LogMeIn full screen mode Chrome does not work correctly with LogmeIn full screen mode. In Firefox it causes the browser to maximize and the Windows task bar to disappear as well as all of the firefox toolbars. In chrome something happens, i.e. the screen moves around but the task / toolbars remain. -- John W. Colby Colby Consulting -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Tue Oct 4 09:13:35 2011 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2011 10:13:35 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Access 2010 how to In-Reply-To: <668004D429CB4E019872A047C01461AA@SusanHarkins> References: <4E8B0657.7040500@colbyconsulting.com> <668004D429CB4E019872A047C01461AA@SusanHarkins> Message-ID: <4E8B148F.9090503@colbyconsulting.com> Susan, Thanks for replying. I am seeing my database open for business, with a switchboard. At the top is a very small toolbar with the Access symbol, a floppy (how quaint!) etc. Below that is a tab with File / Home etc. Home is selected, apparently by default? Below that is a toolbar. Massive! Below that is a work area. On the left side is a pane with the work Custom in it and a drop down arrow in a circle plus the << for causing it to shrink Below that is a bar with "Unassigned objects" So which of these objects is the navigation pane? Or more appropriately - PAIN as you are calling it. ;) I do not see an ellipsis (...) anywhere visible. John W. Colby Colby Consulting On 10/4/2011 9:18 AM, Susan Harkins wrote: > There's a dropdown list at the top of the Navigation Pain in the... Pane. Choose Object Type. Then, > you can choose the specific type of object. > > Susan H. > > >> I am forced to use Access 2010 and so I am lost. >> >> How do I see the widget (pane?) on the left with all the tables, forms, queries etc. >> >> I am in a view where all I see are the tables, and oh my goodness, I see every damned thing >> remotely associated with every table. I so don't care about all of that stuff, though it could be >> useful at times. >> >> I just need to see a list of all my forms, or all my modules, or all my reports. >> >> Help me please. (My daughter Allie says that, in a plaintive little voice). > From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Tue Oct 4 09:15:57 2011 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2011 10:15:57 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Crome and LogMeIn full screen mode In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4E8B151D.9090800@colbyconsulting.com> I have been using Firefox exclusively for several years. Do you know what IE gives me that Firefox does not? I just gave up on IE back when it sucked so badly and Firefox gave me an alternative, and have never returned. John W. Colby Colby Consulting On 10/4/2011 10:09 AM, Gustav Brock wrote: > Hi John > > I believe IE is the only browser that works 100% with LogMeIn. > > /gustav > >>>> jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com 04-10-2011 15:51>>> > Chrome does not work correctly with LogmeIn full screen mode. In Firefox it causes the browser to > maximize and the Windows task bar to disappear as well as all of the firefox toolbars. In chrome > something happens, i.e. the screen moves around but the task / toolbars remain. > From marksimms at verizon.net Tue Oct 4 09:19:59 2011 From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms) Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2011 10:19:59 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Access 2010 how to In-Reply-To: <4E8B0657.7040500@colbyconsulting.com> References: <4E8B0657.7040500@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <007201cc82a0$b3b53fc0$1b1fbf40$@net> > I am forced to use Access 2010 Someone put a gun to your head ? ;) That being said, it sure is great for end-users, But because they modified VBA, the bugs are numerous and nasty. With SP1, you've got to decompile your VBA project daily....sometimes more. It's very obvious there was very little beta testing of this product by developers. From Gustav at cactus.dk Tue Oct 4 09:26:28 2011 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2011 16:26:28 +0200 Subject: [AccessD] Crome and LogMeIn full screen mode Message-ID: Hi John No, sorry, because I don't use Firefox. I use IE mostly and Chrome for some. Firefox, Safari, and Opera I never touch except for tests with Visual Studio. /gustav >>> jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com 04-10-2011 16:15 >>> I have been using Firefox exclusively for several years. Do you know what IE gives me that Firefox does not? I just gave up on IE back when it sucked so badly and Firefox gave me an alternative, and have never returned. John W. Colby Colby Consulting On 10/4/2011 10:09 AM, Gustav Brock wrote: > Hi John > > I believe IE is the only browser that works 100% with LogMeIn. > > /gustav > >>>> jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com 04-10-2011 15:51>>> > Chrome does not work correctly with LogmeIn full screen mode. In Firefox it causes the browser to > maximize and the Windows task bar to disappear as well as all of the firefox toolbars. In chrome > something happens, i.e. the screen moves around but the task / toolbars remain. From ssharkins at gmail.com Tue Oct 4 09:31:23 2011 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2011 10:31:23 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Access 2010 how to References: <4E8B0657.7040500@colbyconsulting.com><668004D429CB4E019872A047C01461AA@SusanHarkins> <4E8B148F.9090503@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <5957940A00384201B440CF6B639F169A@SusanHarkins> > At the top is a very small toolbar with the Access symbol, a floppy (how > quaint!) etc. ======That's the Quick Access Toolbar - very handy. :) > Below that is a tab with File / Home etc. Home is selected, apparently by > default? > Below that is a toolbar. Massive! > Below that is a work area. On the left side is a pane with the work > Custom in it and a drop down arrow in a circle plus the << for causing it > to shrink > Below that is a bar with "Unassigned objects" =======This is the Navigation Pane. There should be some kind of default or object type choice in that dropdown list. Susan H. From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Tue Oct 4 09:29:48 2011 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2011 10:29:48 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Access 2010 how to In-Reply-To: <007201cc82a0$b3b53fc0$1b1fbf40$@net> References: <4E8B0657.7040500@colbyconsulting.com> <007201cc82a0$b3b53fc0$1b1fbf40$@net> Message-ID: <4E8B185C.2060203@colbyconsulting.com> > Someone put a gun to your head ? ;) Kinda. I spent days moving to a new disk / windows 7 for my dev machine. I have a client that uses Office 2010 and I am installing it on my wife's machine because she works for that client. I installed Office 2003 and then decided "what the heck" and installed Office 2010 as well. One of my not so good decisions. I am still actively debating uninstalling it. My problem atm is that I am able to get into my billing program in 2010 but not under 2003. I suspect that is an issue with both installed but I am not certain of that. What if I uninstall and still can't get into my billing program in 2003? But you (and the pile of evidence before my eyes) has convinced me and I am now uninstalling Office 2010. I will run it in a VM for the client. And pray that I can get my billing application back when 2010 is gone. John W. Colby Colby Consulting On 10/4/2011 10:19 AM, Mark Simms wrote: >> I am forced to use Access 2010 > Someone put a gun to your head ? ;) > > That being said, it sure is great for end-users, > But because they modified VBA, the bugs are numerous and nasty. > With SP1, you've got to decompile your VBA project daily....sometimes more. > > It's very obvious there was very little beta testing of this product by > developers. > > From sturner at mseco.com Tue Oct 4 09:56:32 2011 From: sturner at mseco.com (Steve Turner) Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2011 09:56:32 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Access 2010 how to In-Reply-To: <4E8B148F.9090503@colbyconsulting.com> References: <4E8B0657.7040500@colbyconsulting.com><668004D429CB4E019872A047C01461AA@SusanHarkins> <4E8B148F.9090503@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: John, If you select the bar with the down arrow circle you should get a drop down with Navigate to Category. Select the Object Type and select the Bar again and it should show a grey bar Filter By Group that list's the Tables < Forms, Macro's etc. Select one of those and it takes you to those tabs. The best thing about Access 2010 is the work window now has tabs and you can have many things open at the same time and switch back and forth between the tab to see the data. Steve A. Turner Controller Mid-South Engineering Co. Inc E-Mail: sturner at mseco.com and saturner at mseco.com -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2011 9:14 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access 2010 how to Susan, Thanks for replying. I am seeing my database open for business, with a switchboard. At the top is a very small toolbar with the Access symbol, a floppy (how quaint!) etc. Below that is a tab with File / Home etc. Home is selected, apparently by default? Below that is a toolbar. Massive! Below that is a work area. On the left side is a pane with the work Custom in it and a drop down arrow in a circle plus the << for causing it to shrink Below that is a bar with "Unassigned objects" So which of these objects is the navigation pane? Or more appropriately - PAIN as you are calling it. ;) I do not see an ellipsis (...) anywhere visible. John W. Colby Colby Consulting On 10/4/2011 9:18 AM, Susan Harkins wrote: > There's a dropdown list at the top of the Navigation Pain in the... Pane. Choose Object Type. Then, > you can choose the specific type of object. > > Susan H. > > >> I am forced to use Access 2010 and so I am lost. >> >> How do I see the widget (pane?) on the left with all the tables, forms, queries etc. >> >> I am in a view where all I see are the tables, and oh my goodness, I see every damned thing >> remotely associated with every table. I so don't care about all of that stuff, though it could be >> useful at times. >> >> I just need to see a list of all my forms, or all my modules, or all my reports. >> >> Help me please. (My daughter Allie says that, in a plaintive little voice). > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From john at winhaven.net Tue Oct 4 10:22:10 2011 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2011 10:22:10 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Crome and LogMeIn full screen mode In-Reply-To: <4E8B0F6A.4090800@colbyconsulting.com> References: <4E8B0F6A.4090800@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <004601cc82a9$629de2a0$27d9a7e0$@winhaven.net> John, I use Logmein a lot. I use it with either IE or Firefox. I run into a lot more problems with Firefox, Chrome, Opera than IE. Firefox 7 gives me a "General Failure = Url" alert when I click on a hyperlink in Outlook. The hyperlink still opens but I have to click out of an annoying error message each time, and that gets old. I tend to have a lot of annoying little issues with Chrome which either other people don't run into or for some reason overlook (is it that the anti-MS sentiment is still pretty strong out there and people will put up with a lot to avoid using MS products?) I just never took to using Opera or Safari much. Opera seemed to have an update every time I opened it and Safari wasn't very good last time I gave it a chance. Both are probably worth another look as that was over a year ago. IE 9 is very fast compared to older versions. It is also a lot more robust and secure: http://askbobrankin.com/which_browser_is_the_most_secure.html I don't know if it is the fastest or the most secure but it seems to be the least PITA for me so for now IE is default again. John B -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2011 8:52 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: [AccessD] Crome and LogMeIn full screen mode Chrome does not work correctly with LogmeIn full screen mode. In Firefox it causes the browser to maximize and the Windows task bar to disappear as well as all of the firefox toolbars. In chrome something happens, i.e. the screen moves around but the task / toolbars remain. From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Tue Oct 4 10:23:39 2011 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2011 08:23:39 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Access 2010 how to In-Reply-To: References: <4E8B0657.7040500@colbyconsulting.com><668004D429CB4E019872A047C01461AA@SusanHarkins><4E8B148F.9090503@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <7E56D016A4B24C2CAF79B73262AB1DDD@HAL9007> Oh - soooo much better than 2003 (rolling eyes) which was way to simple and effective. Rocky -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Turner Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2011 7:57 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access 2010 how to John, If you select the bar with the down arrow circle you should get a drop down with Navigate to Category. Select the Object Type and select the Bar again and it should show a grey bar Filter By Group that list's the Tables < Forms, Macro's etc. Select one of those and it takes you to those tabs. The best thing about Access 2010 is the work window now has tabs and you can have many things open at the same time and switch back and forth between the tab to see the data. Steve A. Turner Controller Mid-South Engineering Co. Inc E-Mail: sturner at mseco.com and saturner at mseco.com -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2011 9:14 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access 2010 how to Susan, Thanks for replying. I am seeing my database open for business, with a switchboard. At the top is a very small toolbar with the Access symbol, a floppy (how quaint!) etc. Below that is a tab with File / Home etc. Home is selected, apparently by default? Below that is a toolbar. Massive! Below that is a work area. On the left side is a pane with the work Custom in it and a drop down arrow in a circle plus the << for causing it to shrink Below that is a bar with "Unassigned objects" So which of these objects is the navigation pane? Or more appropriately - PAIN as you are calling it. ;) I do not see an ellipsis (...) anywhere visible. John W. Colby Colby Consulting On 10/4/2011 9:18 AM, Susan Harkins wrote: > There's a dropdown list at the top of the Navigation Pain in the... Pane. Choose Object Type. Then, > you can choose the specific type of object. > > Susan H. > > >> I am forced to use Access 2010 and so I am lost. >> >> How do I see the widget (pane?) on the left with all the tables, forms, queries etc. >> >> I am in a view where all I see are the tables, and oh my goodness, I see every damned thing >> remotely associated with every table. I so don't care about all of that stuff, though it could be >> useful at times. >> >> I just need to see a list of all my forms, or all my modules, or all my reports. >> >> Help me please. (My daughter Allie says that, in a plaintive little voice). > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Tue Oct 4 10:35:27 2011 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2011 11:35:27 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Crome and LogMeIn full screen mode In-Reply-To: <004601cc82a9$629de2a0$27d9a7e0$@winhaven.net> References: <4E8B0F6A.4090800@colbyconsulting.com> <004601cc82a9$629de2a0$27d9a7e0$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: <4E8B27BF.5060207@colbyconsulting.com> >(is it that the anti-MS sentiment is still pretty strong out there and people will put up with a lot to avoid using MS products?) Hmmm... >Firefox 7 gives me a "General Failure = Url" alert when I click on a hyperlink in Outlook. And Outlook is a Microsoft product... and it doesn't work correctly in Firefox... As for me, I believe in going with the underdog whenever the main player plays unfairly, and equally importantly when the major player does not innovate because they don't have to. That is what competition does is up the ante so everyone has to innovate. Microsoft plays unfairly. Microsoft IE sucked and they just didn't care because IE owned the market place. Suddenly Firefox gave them competition and guess what? IE is back in the game. But if we all just go back to IE what do I think will happen? Intel / AMD is the same situation, and I stay with AMD because they are "good enough" and they force the marketplace to innovate. I know people who only care about their own experience and I guess that is OK, but they get their "better experience" on the backs of me and others willing to bear the burden. <\Rant> John W. Colby Colby Consulting On 10/4/2011 11:22 AM, John Bartow wrote: > John, > I use Logmein a lot. I use it with either IE or Firefox. > > I run into a lot more problems with Firefox, Chrome, Opera than IE. Firefox > 7 gives me a "General Failure = Url" alert when I click on a hyperlink in > Outlook. > The hyperlink still opens but I have to click out of an annoying error > message each time, and that gets old. I tend to have a lot of annoying > little issues with Chrome which either other people don't run into or for > some reason overlook (is it that the anti-MS sentiment is still pretty > strong out there and people will put up with a lot to avoid using MS > products?) I just never took to using Opera or Safari much. Opera seemed to > have an update every time I opened it and Safari wasn't very good last time > I gave it a chance. Both are probably worth another look as that was over a > year ago. > > IE 9 is very fast compared to older versions. It is also a lot more robust > and secure: > http://askbobrankin.com/which_browser_is_the_most_secure.html > > I don't know if it is the fastest or the most secure but it seems to be the > least PITA for me so for now IE is default again. > John B > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby > Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2011 8:52 AM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: [AccessD] Crome and LogMeIn full screen mode > > Chrome does not work correctly with LogmeIn full screen mode. In Firefox it > causes the browser to maximize and the Windows task bar to disappear as well > as all of the firefox toolbars. In chrome something happens, i.e. the > screen moves around but the task / toolbars remain. > From marksimms at verizon.net Tue Oct 4 10:55:14 2011 From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms) Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2011 11:55:14 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Crome and LogMeIn full screen mode In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <003901cc82ae$01f9f2e0$05edd8a0$@net> > I believe IE is the only browser that works 100% with LogMeIn. > > /gustav Running fine here with FF 7.0.1 That being said, the Logmein plugin appears to crash when Logmein times-out. A refresh solves the problem....so no biggie there. Also, some GUI related things like changing the caption on command buttons are sometimes difficult to do thru Logmein. Still, I'm really impressed with the product. From accessd at shaw.ca Tue Oct 4 11:20:06 2011 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2011 09:20:06 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Crome and LogMeIn full screen mode In-Reply-To: <4E8B0F6A.4090800@colbyconsulting.com> References: <4E8B0F6A.4090800@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <06BBA64A5DD74EA1A05B936C31154E70@creativesystemdesigns.com> That is strange John. I have many of my clients on LogMeIn and have never had such a re-action. Mind you, I have not set anyone up for a month so there may be some issues with the new version. TeamViewer is another excellent product and then in a pinch you can use UltraVNC (security is poor as the password size is limited but you can get creative with connection ports). You can use RDP and even old netmeeting, which has been shipped with every Windows since 98...just like ADO. ;-) Jim -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2011 6:52 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: [AccessD] Crome and LogMeIn full screen mode Chrome does not work correctly with LogmeIn full screen mode. In Firefox it causes the browser to maximize and the Windows task bar to disappear as well as all of the firefox toolbars. In chrome something happens, i.e. the screen moves around but the task / toolbars remain. -- John W. Colby Colby Consulting -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Tue Oct 4 11:34:24 2011 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2011 09:34:24 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Crome and LogMeIn full screen mode In-Reply-To: <004601cc82a9$629de2a0$27d9a7e0$@winhaven.net> References: <4E8B0F6A.4090800@colbyconsulting.com> <004601cc82a9$629de2a0$27d9a7e0$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: >From a designing point of view, I have been finding IE9 is a lot more compatible with the W3C standards. When tweaking a site, I have been able to use add subtle changes to the CSS scripts as opposed to writing a custom one for IE products...mind you, that is if I abandon support for IE6,7 and 8 and always have the latest version of JQuery loaded. In summary IE is definitely improving. Jim -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2011 8:22 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Crome and LogMeIn full screen mode John, I use Logmein a lot. I use it with either IE or Firefox. I run into a lot more problems with Firefox, Chrome, Opera than IE. Firefox 7 gives me a "General Failure = Url" alert when I click on a hyperlink in Outlook. The hyperlink still opens but I have to click out of an annoying error message each time, and that gets old. I tend to have a lot of annoying little issues with Chrome which either other people don't run into or for some reason overlook (is it that the anti-MS sentiment is still pretty strong out there and people will put up with a lot to avoid using MS products?) I just never took to using Opera or Safari much. Opera seemed to have an update every time I opened it and Safari wasn't very good last time I gave it a chance. Both are probably worth another look as that was over a year ago. IE 9 is very fast compared to older versions. It is also a lot more robust and secure: http://askbobrankin.com/which_browser_is_the_most_secure.html I don't know if it is the fastest or the most secure but it seems to be the least PITA for me so for now IE is default again. John B -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2011 8:52 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: [AccessD] Crome and LogMeIn full screen mode Chrome does not work correctly with LogmeIn full screen mode. In Firefox it causes the browser to maximize and the Windows task bar to disappear as well as all of the firefox toolbars. In chrome something happens, i.e. the screen moves around but the task / toolbars remain. -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From BradM at blackforestltd.com Tue Oct 4 13:23:11 2011 From: BradM at blackforestltd.com (Brad Marks) Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2011 13:23:11 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] OT - John Colby - volunteer work with Prisons - Minnesota Public Radio program References: <001401cc8237$b4ac88c0$1e059a40$@com.au> Message-ID: John, On several of your posts here on AccessD, you mentioned volunteer work that you help with involving prisoners. Yesterday, I caught the tail-end of a program on Minnesota Public Radio regarding a recent study that was conducted regarding the statistics of prisoners getting into trouble again after they are released. I believe that they said that the number 1 factor of whether a prisoner breaks the law or not after being released is the number of visitors that they had while in prison. (The more visitors they had while in prison, resulted in much fewer repeat offenders). Because of the high cost of incarcerating criminals, people who visit prisoners may be saving a lot of money for tax-payers and not even be aware of this factor. I will try to see if this program is on the MPR website. If I find it, I will email the link to you. Pretty interesting. Keep up the good work! Brad From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Tue Oct 4 14:07:16 2011 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2011 15:07:16 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] From Microsoft's help for migrating outlook... Message-ID: <4E8B5964.9010407@colbyconsulting.com> Note: Windows Easy Transfer is a Windows feature that enables you to copy files and settings from one computer to another. Some Outlook users experience corrupted Outlook profiles when using Windows Easy Transfer. The steps in this article don?t use Windows Easy Transfer. ;) -- John W. Colby Colby Consulting From charlotte.foust at gmail.com Tue Oct 4 14:51:12 2011 From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust) Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2011 12:51:12 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] From Microsoft's help for migrating outlook... In-Reply-To: <4E8B5964.9010407@colbyconsulting.com> References: <4E8B5964.9010407@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: Just about says it all Charlotte Foust On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 12:07 PM, jwcolby wrote: > > Note: Windows Easy Transfer is a Windows feature that enables you to > copy files and settings from one computer to another. Some Outlook users > experience corrupted Outlook profiles when using Windows Easy Transfer. The > steps in this article don?t use Windows Easy Transfer. > > ;) > > -- > John W. Colby > Colby Consulting > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/accessd > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.**com > > > From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Tue Oct 4 15:06:30 2011 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2011 16:06:30 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] OT - John Colby - volunteer work with Prisons - Minnesota Public Radio program In-Reply-To: References: <001401cc8237$b4ac88c0$1e059a40$@com.au> Message-ID: <4E8B6746.5080100@colbyconsulting.com> Brad, > Because of the high cost of incarcerating criminals, people who visit prisoners may be saving a lot of money for tax-payers and not even be aware of this factor. I have to tell you that a certain right wing political party who happens to control politics in the state of NC is slashing all spending on inmates, anything having to do with rehabilitation, and cold bloodedly expecting volunteers to pick up the costs. They attempted to cut every single chaplain position, managed to cut 1/2 of them, and will go after the remaining positions in the next budget. Cut funding for re-entry programs which attempt to help inmates acquire the skills to exist outside of prison. Basically their attitude is that it is not the government's business to help people. PERIOD. House knocked down by a tornado? Not My Problem. Floods in the northeast? NMP. Oil spill killing the gulf? NMP. Inmates handed $45 when they get out and pointed at the nearest store to rob? NMP. Well... unless I own the store of course... let me check... Nope, not my store, NMP. Unfortunately it is no longer the people's job to help people either. Well, I'm white so maybe I'll help the white folk. But not right now because there's a college football game on... Sigh. I take care of myself and my family. Maaaaaybe my mom, if she was nice to me and will put me in her will. Beyond that, if you are starving and have to die, please do so somewhere where I do not have to clean up the mess. Because of course it is not the government's business to clean up dead people either (and I ain't gonna do it!). ;) I can hear the snickers hitting poor John's inbox, ping, ping, ping... Oddly, the sound does my heart good! :):):) In the meantime, in about 2 hours I will be headed to the prison, because it is my problem. A self imposed problem perhaps, but mine none the less. ping, ping, ping. :) :) John W. Colby Colby Consulting On 10/4/2011 2:23 PM, Brad Marks wrote: > John, > > On several of your posts here on AccessD, you mentioned volunteer work > that you help with involving prisoners. > > Yesterday, I caught the tail-end of a program on Minnesota Public Radio > regarding a recent study that was conducted regarding the statistics of > prisoners getting into trouble again after they are released. I believe > that they said that the number 1 factor of whether a prisoner breaks the > law or not after being released is the number of visitors that they had > while in prison. (The more visitors they had while in prison, resulted > in much fewer repeat offenders). > > Because of the high cost of incarcerating criminals, people who visit > prisoners may be saving a lot of money for tax-payers and not even be > aware of this factor. > > I will try to see if this program is on the MPR website. If I find it, > I will email the link to you. Pretty interesting. > > Keep up the good work! > > Brad > > From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Tue Oct 4 15:09:54 2011 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2011 16:09:54 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] From Microsoft's help for migrating outlook... In-Reply-To: References: <4E8B5964.9010407@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <4E8B6812.2040909@colbyconsulting.com> > Just about says it all LOL, yea it does. This is one of the reasons I moved from Outlook to Thunderbird, MozBackup actually does all of this for you. And it just works. John W. Colby Colby Consulting On 10/4/2011 3:51 PM, Charlotte Foust wrote: > Just about says it all > Charlotte Foust > On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 12:07 PM, jwcolbywrote: > >> >> Note: Windows Easy Transfer is a Windows feature that enables you to >> copy files and settings from one computer to another. Some Outlook users >> experience corrupted Outlook profiles when using Windows Easy Transfer. The >> steps in this article don?t use Windows Easy Transfer. >> >> ;) >> >> -- >> John W. Colby >> Colby Consulting >> -- >> AccessD mailing list >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/accessd >> >> >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.**com >> >> >> From jimdettman at verizon.net Tue Oct 4 15:46:51 2011 From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman) Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2011 16:46:51 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] From Microsoft's help for migrating outlook... In-Reply-To: <4E8B5964.9010407@colbyconsulting.com> References: <4E8B5964.9010407@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <81D08DAA7470403986167BB2CA8D4359@XPS> DCOM can get seriously messed up as well. Jim. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2011 03:07 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: [AccessD] From Microsoft's help for migrating outlook... Note: Windows Easy Transfer is a Windows feature that enables you to copy files and settings from one computer to another. Some Outlook users experience corrupted Outlook profiles when using Windows Easy Transfer. The steps in this article don't use Windows Easy Transfer. ;) -- John W. Colby Colby Consulting -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From tinanfields at torchlake.com Tue Oct 4 15:47:17 2011 From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields) Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2011 16:47:17 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] OT - John Colby - volunteer work with Prisons -Minnesota Public Radio program In-Reply-To: <4E8B6746.5080100@colbyconsulting.com> References: <001401cc8237$b4ac88c0$1e059a40$@com.au> <4E8B6746.5080100@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <4E8B70D5.4060207@torchlake.com> John, I support what you are doing. It IS our problem! We DO have to help! We really are all in this together and we don't have another planet to move to. Keep on keeping on! T Tina Norris Fields tinanfields at torchlake.com 231-322-2787 On 10/4/2011 4:06 PM, jwcolby wrote: > Brad, > > > Because of the high cost of incarcerating criminals, people who > visit prisoners may be saving a lot of money for tax-payers and not > even be aware of this factor. > > I have to tell you that a certain right wing political party who > happens to control politics in the state of NC is slashing all > spending on inmates, anything having to do with rehabilitation, and > cold bloodedly expecting volunteers to pick up the costs. They > attempted to cut every single chaplain position, managed to cut 1/2 of > them, and will go after the remaining positions in the next budget. > Cut funding for re-entry programs which attempt to help inmates > acquire the skills to exist outside of prison. > > Basically their attitude is that it is not the government's business > to help people. PERIOD. > > House knocked down by a tornado? Not My Problem. Floods in the > northeast? NMP. Oil spill killing the gulf? NMP. Inmates handed > $45 when they get out and pointed at the nearest store to rob? NMP. > Well... unless I own the store of course... let me check... Nope, > not my store, NMP. > > Unfortunately it is no longer the people's job to help people either. > Well, I'm white so maybe I'll help the white folk. But not right now > because there's a college football game on... > > Sigh. > > I take care of myself and my family. Maaaaaybe my mom, if she was > nice to me and will put me in her will. Beyond that, if you are > starving and have to die, please do so somewhere where I do not have > to clean up the mess. Because of course it is not the government's > business to clean up dead people either (and I ain't gonna do it!). ;) > > I can hear the snickers hitting poor John's inbox, ping, ping, > ping... Oddly, the sound does my heart good! :):):) > > In the meantime, in about 2 hours I will be headed to the prison, > because it is my problem. A self imposed problem perhaps, but mine > none the less. > > ping, ping, ping. :) > > :) > > John W. Colby > Colby Consulting > > On 10/4/2011 2:23 PM, Brad Marks wrote: >> John, >> >> On several of your posts here on AccessD, you mentioned volunteer work >> that you help with involving prisoners. >> >> Yesterday, I caught the tail-end of a program on Minnesota Public Radio >> regarding a recent study that was conducted regarding the statistics of >> prisoners getting into trouble again after they are released. I believe >> that they said that the number 1 factor of whether a prisoner breaks the >> law or not after being released is the number of visitors that they had >> while in prison. (The more visitors they had while in prison, resulted >> in much fewer repeat offenders). >> >> Because of the high cost of incarcerating criminals, people who visit >> prisoners may be saving a lot of money for tax-payers and not even be >> aware of this factor. >> >> I will try to see if this program is on the MPR website. If I find it, >> I will email the link to you. Pretty interesting. >> >> Keep up the good work! >> >> Brad >> >> From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Tue Oct 4 15:52:10 2011 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2011 16:52:10 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] OT - John Colby - volunteer work with Prisons -Minnesota Public Radio program In-Reply-To: <4E8B70D5.4060207@torchlake.com> References: <001401cc8237$b4ac88c0$1e059a40$@com.au> <4E8B6746.5080100@colbyconsulting.com> <4E8B70D5.4060207@torchlake.com> Message-ID: <4E8B71FA.3040604@colbyconsulting.com> :) Nothing whatsoever to do with my attitude today but I watched Wall-e with my son last night. What a cute movie! John W. Colby Colby Consulting On 10/4/2011 4:47 PM, Tina Norris Fields wrote: > John, > I support what you are doing. It IS our problem! We DO have to help! We really are all in this > together and we don't have another planet to move to. > Keep on keeping on! > T > > Tina Norris Fields > tinanfields at torchlake.com > 231-322-2787 > > > On 10/4/2011 4:06 PM, jwcolby wrote: >> Brad, >> >> > Because of the high cost of incarcerating criminals, people who visit prisoners may be saving a >> lot of money for tax-payers and not even be aware of this factor. >> >> I have to tell you that a certain right wing political party who happens to control politics in >> the state of NC is slashing all spending on inmates, anything having to do with rehabilitation, >> and cold bloodedly expecting volunteers to pick up the costs. They attempted to cut every single >> chaplain position, managed to cut 1/2 of them, and will go after the remaining positions in the >> next budget. Cut funding for re-entry programs which attempt to help inmates acquire the skills to >> exist outside of prison. >> >> Basically their attitude is that it is not the government's business to help people. PERIOD. >> >> House knocked down by a tornado? Not My Problem. Floods in the northeast? NMP. Oil spill killing >> the gulf? NMP. Inmates handed $45 when they get out and pointed at the nearest store to rob? NMP. >> Well... unless I own the store of course... let me check... Nope, not my store, NMP. >> >> Unfortunately it is no longer the people's job to help people either. Well, I'm white so maybe >> I'll help the white folk. But not right now because there's a college football game on... >> >> Sigh. >> >> I take care of myself and my family. Maaaaaybe my mom, if she was nice to me and will put me in >> her will. Beyond that, if you are starving and have to die, please do so somewhere where I do not >> have to clean up the mess. Because of course it is not the government's business to clean up dead >> people either (and I ain't gonna do it!). ;) >> >> I can hear the snickers hitting poor John's inbox, ping, ping, ping... Oddly, the sound does my >> heart good! :):):) >> >> In the meantime, in about 2 hours I will be headed to the prison, because it is my problem. A self >> imposed problem perhaps, but mine none the less. >> >> ping, ping, ping. :) >> >> :) >> >> John W. Colby >> Colby Consulting >> >> On 10/4/2011 2:23 PM, Brad Marks wrote: >>> John, >>> >>> On several of your posts here on AccessD, you mentioned volunteer work >>> that you help with involving prisoners. >>> >>> Yesterday, I caught the tail-end of a program on Minnesota Public Radio >>> regarding a recent study that was conducted regarding the statistics of >>> prisoners getting into trouble again after they are released. I believe >>> that they said that the number 1 factor of whether a prisoner breaks the >>> law or not after being released is the number of visitors that they had >>> while in prison. (The more visitors they had while in prison, resulted >>> in much fewer repeat offenders). >>> >>> Because of the high cost of incarcerating criminals, people who visit >>> prisoners may be saving a lot of money for tax-payers and not even be >>> aware of this factor. >>> >>> I will try to see if this program is on the MPR website. If I find it, >>> I will email the link to you. Pretty interesting. >>> >>> Keep up the good work! >>> >>> Brad >>> >>> From df.waters at comcast.net Tue Oct 4 16:17:09 2011 From: df.waters at comcast.net (Dan Waters) Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2011 16:17:09 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] OT - John Colby - volunteer work with Prisons - Minnesota Public Radio program In-Reply-To: <4E8B6746.5080100@colbyconsulting.com> References: <001401cc8237$b4ac88c0$1e059a40$@com.au> <4E8B6746.5080100@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <001501cc82da$fa541e80$eefc5b80$@comcast.net> John- some of this will change in the next election. Unfortunately, too many people need to learn things the hard way. And learning that voting carefully, not emotionally, is actually important. Politics is not a reality TV show - it's real people really getting hurt. Dan -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2011 3:07 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT - John Colby - volunteer work with Prisons - Minnesota Public Radio program Brad, > Because of the high cost of incarcerating criminals, people who visit prisoners may be saving a lot of money for tax-payers and not even be aware of this factor. I have to tell you that a certain right wing political party who happens to control politics in the state of NC is slashing all spending on inmates, anything having to do with rehabilitation, and cold bloodedly expecting volunteers to pick up the costs. They attempted to cut every single chaplain position, managed to cut 1/2 of them, and will go after the remaining positions in the next budget. Cut funding for re-entry programs which attempt to help inmates acquire the skills to exist outside of prison. Basically their attitude is that it is not the government's business to help people. PERIOD. House knocked down by a tornado? Not My Problem. Floods in the northeast? NMP. Oil spill killing the gulf? NMP. Inmates handed $45 when they get out and pointed at the nearest store to rob? NMP. Well... unless I own the store of course... let me check... Nope, not my store, NMP. Unfortunately it is no longer the people's job to help people either. Well, I'm white so maybe I'll help the white folk. But not right now because there's a college football game on... Sigh. I take care of myself and my family. Maaaaaybe my mom, if she was nice to me and will put me in her will. Beyond that, if you are starving and have to die, please do so somewhere where I do not have to clean up the mess. Because of course it is not the government's business to clean up dead people either (and I ain't gonna do it!). ;) I can hear the snickers hitting poor John's inbox, ping, ping, ping... Oddly, the sound does my heart good! :):):) In the meantime, in about 2 hours I will be headed to the prison, because it is my problem. A self imposed problem perhaps, but mine none the less. ping, ping, ping. :) :) John W. Colby Colby Consulting On 10/4/2011 2:23 PM, Brad Marks wrote: > John, > > On several of your posts here on AccessD, you mentioned volunteer work > that you help with involving prisoners. > > Yesterday, I caught the tail-end of a program on Minnesota Public > Radio regarding a recent study that was conducted regarding the > statistics of prisoners getting into trouble again after they are > released. I believe that they said that the number 1 factor of > whether a prisoner breaks the law or not after being released is the > number of visitors that they had while in prison. (The more visitors > they had while in prison, resulted in much fewer repeat offenders). > > Because of the high cost of incarcerating criminals, people who visit > prisoners may be saving a lot of money for tax-payers and not even be > aware of this factor. > > I will try to see if this program is on the MPR website. If I find > it, I will email the link to you. Pretty interesting. > > Keep up the good work! > > Brad > > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au Tue Oct 4 17:18:25 2011 From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins) Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2011 09:18:25 +1100 Subject: [AccessD] Access 2010 how to In-Reply-To: <4E8B0657.7040500@colbyconsulting.com> References: <4E8B0657.7040500@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <000901cc82e3$89b37b90$9d1a72b0$@com.au> Good Luck John, I have been using it for a while now and there are still many 'features' I loathe, although a couple of other things are a big improvement. That said the Nav Pain needs to be completely scrapped and redesigned from scratch. What a stupid idea that was! Cheers Darryl -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: Wednesday, 5 October 2011 12:13 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: [AccessD] Access 2010 how to I am forced to use Access 2010 and so I am lost. How do I see the widget (pane?) on the left with all the tables, forms, queries etc. I am in a view where all I see are the tables, and oh my goodness, I see every damned thing remotely associated with every table. I so don't care about all of that stuff, though it could be useful at times. I just need to see a list of all my forms, or all my modules, or all my reports. Help me please. (My daughter Allie says that, in a plaintive little voice). -- John W. Colby Colby Consulting -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au Tue Oct 4 17:23:15 2011 From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins) Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2011 09:23:15 +1100 Subject: [AccessD] Access 2010 how to In-Reply-To: <20111005002317.gePF1h00j0xgD8Z01ePHXd@bne3-0003mz.server-mail.com> References: <4E8B0657.7040500@colbyconsulting.com> <20111005002317.gePF1h00j0xgD8Z01ePHXd@bne3-0003mz.server-mail.com> Message-ID: <000a01cc82e4$363e51f0$a2baf5d0$@com.au> " It's very obvious there was very little beta testing of this product by developers." Now this is one of the finest summations of Access 2007/2010 I have read. You are totally correct, the product often looks, acts and feels like it is still a beta version. If you are just using Access as a giant spreadsheet it is generally ok, but actually developing stuff on it is another story - at least that has been my experience. The Nav Pane is a giant leap backwards - sure it has some new functionality, but those feature could have been added to the older style layout which is far more useful to use. Cheers Darryl. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Simms Sent: Wednesday, 5 October 2011 1:20 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access 2010 how to > I am forced to use Access 2010 Someone put a gun to your head ? ;) That being said, it sure is great for end-users, But because they modified VBA, the bugs are numerous and nasty. With SP1, you've got to decompile your VBA project daily....sometimes more. It's very obvious there was very little beta testing of this product by developers. -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au Tue Oct 4 17:24:48 2011 From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins) Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2011 09:24:48 +1100 Subject: [AccessD] Crome and LogMeIn full screen mode In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000b01cc82e4$6dade8d0$4909ba70$@com.au> I use LogMeIn and Firefox without bother all the time. You need the special addin to make it work, but FF and LMI detects it is missing and prompts you to load it. Never had any issue with FF and LMI running together. I have not tried it on LMI Pro though - maybe that makes a difference? -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: Wednesday, 5 October 2011 1:26 AM To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [AccessD] Crome and LogMeIn full screen mode Hi John No, sorry, because I don't use Firefox. I use IE mostly and Chrome for some. Firefox, Safari, and Opera I never touch except for tests with Visual Studio. /gustav >>> jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com 04-10-2011 16:15 >>> I have been using Firefox exclusively for several years. Do you know what IE gives me that Firefox does not? I just gave up on IE back when it sucked so badly and Firefox gave me an alternative, and have never returned. John W. Colby Colby Consulting On 10/4/2011 10:09 AM, Gustav Brock wrote: > Hi John > > I believe IE is the only browser that works 100% with LogMeIn. > > /gustav > >>>> jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com 04-10-2011 15:51>>> > Chrome does not work correctly with LogmeIn full screen mode. In Firefox it causes the browser to > maximize and the Windows task bar to disappear as well as all of the firefox toolbars. In chrome > something happens, i.e. the screen moves around but the task / toolbars remain. -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Tue Oct 4 17:32:48 2011 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2011 18:32:48 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Crome and LogMeIn full screen mode In-Reply-To: <000b01cc82e4$6dade8d0$4909ba70$@com.au> References: <000b01cc82e4$6dade8d0$4909ba70$@com.au> Message-ID: <4E8B8990.306@colbyconsulting.com> > I use LogMeIn and Firefox without bother all the time. You need the special addin to make it work, but FF and LMI detects it is missing and prompts you to load it. As do I. It seems to work just fine. John W. Colby Colby Consulting On 10/4/2011 6:24 PM, Darryl Collins wrote: > I use LogMeIn and Firefox without bother all the time. You need the special > addin to make it work, but FF and LMI detects it is missing and prompts you > to load it. Never had any issue with FF and LMI running together. I have > not tried it on LMI Pro though - maybe that makes a difference? > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock > Sent: Wednesday, 5 October 2011 1:26 AM > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Crome and LogMeIn full screen mode > > Hi John > > No, sorry, because I don't use Firefox. > I use IE mostly and Chrome for some. Firefox, Safari, and Opera I never > touch except for tests with Visual Studio. > > /gustav > > >>>> jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com 04-10-2011 16:15>>> > I have been using Firefox exclusively for several years. Do you know what > IE gives me that Firefox > does not? I just gave up on IE back when it sucked so badly and Firefox > gave me an alternative, and > have never returned. > > John W. Colby > Colby Consulting > > On 10/4/2011 10:09 AM, Gustav Brock wrote: >> Hi John >> >> I believe IE is the only browser that works 100% with LogMeIn. >> >> /gustav >> >>>>> jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com 04-10-2011 15:51>>> >> Chrome does not work correctly with LogmeIn full screen mode. In Firefox > it causes the browser to >> maximize and the Windows task bar to disappear as well as all of the > firefox toolbars. In chrome >> something happens, i.e. the screen moves around but the task / toolbars > remain. > > From marksimms at verizon.net Tue Oct 4 17:56:27 2011 From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms) Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2011 18:56:27 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Crome and LogMeIn full screen mode In-Reply-To: <000b01cc82e4$6dade8d0$4909ba70$@com.au> References: <000b01cc82e4$6dade8d0$4909ba70$@com.au> Message-ID: <008901cc82e8$d9bf7ad0$8d3e7070$@net> Maybe. I am running the pro edition to get the file manager feature. > not tried it on LMI Pro though - maybe that makes a difference? > From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Tue Oct 4 20:51:48 2011 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2011 21:51:48 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Access 2010 how to In-Reply-To: <000901cc82e3$89b37b90$9d1a72b0$@com.au> References: <4E8B0657.7040500@colbyconsulting.com> <000901cc82e3$89b37b90$9d1a72b0$@com.au> Message-ID: <4E8BB834.2080603@colbyconsulting.com> As it turns out it uninstalled nicely. And my billing program worked flawlessly (in 2003) after it was gone. I'm happy again. John W. Colby Colby Consulting On 10/4/2011 6:18 PM, Darryl Collins wrote: > Good Luck John, > > I have been using it for a while now and there are still many 'features' I > loathe, although a couple of other things are a big improvement. That said > the Nav Pain needs to be completely scrapped and redesigned from scratch. > What a stupid idea that was! > > Cheers > Darryl > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby > Sent: Wednesday, 5 October 2011 12:13 AM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: [AccessD] Access 2010 how to > > I am forced to use Access 2010 and so I am lost. > > How do I see the widget (pane?) on the left with all the tables, forms, > queries etc. > > I am in a view where all I see are the tables, and oh my goodness, I see > every damned thing remotely > associated with every table. I so don't care about all of that stuff, > though it could be useful at > times. > > I just need to see a list of all my forms, or all my modules, or all my > reports. > > Help me please. (My daughter Allie says that, in a plaintive little voice). > From accessd at shaw.ca Wed Oct 5 03:46:53 2011 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2011 01:46:53 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] OT - John Colby - volunteer work with Prisons - Minnesota Public Radio program In-Reply-To: <4E8B6746.5080100@colbyconsulting.com> References: <001401cc8237$b4ac88c0$1e059a40$@com.au> <4E8B6746.5080100@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: You are a good man John. Jim -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2011 1:07 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT - John Colby - volunteer work with Prisons - Minnesota Public Radio program Brad, > Because of the high cost of incarcerating criminals, people who visit prisoners may be saving a lot of money for tax-payers and not even be aware of this factor. I have to tell you that a certain right wing political party who happens to control politics in the state of NC is slashing all spending on inmates, anything having to do with rehabilitation, and cold bloodedly expecting volunteers to pick up the costs. They attempted to cut every single chaplain position, managed to cut 1/2 of them, and will go after the remaining positions in the next budget. Cut funding for re-entry programs which attempt to help inmates acquire the skills to exist outside of prison. Basically their attitude is that it is not the government's business to help people. PERIOD. House knocked down by a tornado? Not My Problem. Floods in the northeast? NMP. Oil spill killing the gulf? NMP. Inmates handed $45 when they get out and pointed at the nearest store to rob? NMP. Well... unless I own the store of course... let me check... Nope, not my store, NMP. Unfortunately it is no longer the people's job to help people either. Well, I'm white so maybe I'll help the white folk. But not right now because there's a college football game on... Sigh. I take care of myself and my family. Maaaaaybe my mom, if she was nice to me and will put me in her will. Beyond that, if you are starving and have to die, please do so somewhere where I do not have to clean up the mess. Because of course it is not the government's business to clean up dead people either (and I ain't gonna do it!). ;) I can hear the snickers hitting poor John's inbox, ping, ping, ping... Oddly, the sound does my heart good! :):):) In the meantime, in about 2 hours I will be headed to the prison, because it is my problem. A self imposed problem perhaps, but mine none the less. ping, ping, ping. :) :) John W. Colby Colby Consulting On 10/4/2011 2:23 PM, Brad Marks wrote: > John, > > On several of your posts here on AccessD, you mentioned volunteer work > that you help with involving prisoners. > > Yesterday, I caught the tail-end of a program on Minnesota Public Radio > regarding a recent study that was conducted regarding the statistics of > prisoners getting into trouble again after they are released. I believe > that they said that the number 1 factor of whether a prisoner breaks the > law or not after being released is the number of visitors that they had > while in prison. (The more visitors they had while in prison, resulted > in much fewer repeat offenders). > > Because of the high cost of incarcerating criminals, people who visit > prisoners may be saving a lot of money for tax-payers and not even be > aware of this factor. > > I will try to see if this program is on the MPR website. If I find it, > I will email the link to you. Pretty interesting. > > Keep up the good work! > > Brad > > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Lambert.Heenan at chartisinsurance.com Wed Oct 5 08:35:21 2011 From: Lambert.Heenan at chartisinsurance.com (Heenan, Lambert) Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2011 09:35:21 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] OT - John Colby - volunteer work with Prisons - Minnesota Public Radio program In-Reply-To: <4E8B6746.5080100@colbyconsulting.com> References: <001401cc8237$b4ac88c0$1e059a40$@com.au> <4E8B6746.5080100@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: This is one ping from me John that says you are 110% correct. The rethuglicans only want more money for their business backers. OT I know, but heck it needs to be said on every available occasion. A "middle class" vote for the GOP is a shot in the voter's own foot. Lambert -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2011 4:07 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT - John Colby - volunteer work with Prisons - Minnesota Public Radio program Brad, > Because of the high cost of incarcerating criminals, people who visit prisoners may be saving a lot of money for tax-payers and not even be aware of this factor. I have to tell you that a certain right wing political party who happens to control politics in the state of NC is slashing all spending on inmates, anything having to do with rehabilitation, and cold bloodedly expecting volunteers to pick up the costs. They attempted to cut every single chaplain position, managed to cut 1/2 of them, and will go after the remaining positions in the next budget. Cut funding for re-entry programs which attempt to help inmates acquire the skills to exist outside of prison. Basically their attitude is that it is not the government's business to help people. PERIOD. House knocked down by a tornado? Not My Problem. Floods in the northeast? NMP. Oil spill killing the gulf? NMP. Inmates handed $45 when they get out and pointed at the nearest store to rob? NMP. Well... unless I own the store of course... let me check... Nope, not my store, NMP. Unfortunately it is no longer the people's job to help people either. Well, I'm white so maybe I'll help the white folk. But not right now because there's a college football game on... Sigh. I take care of myself and my family. Maaaaaybe my mom, if she was nice to me and will put me in her will. Beyond that, if you are starving and have to die, please do so somewhere where I do not have to clean up the mess. Because of course it is not the government's business to clean up dead people either (and I ain't gonna do it!). ;) I can hear the snickers hitting poor John's inbox, ping, ping, ping... Oddly, the sound does my heart good! :):):) In the meantime, in about 2 hours I will be headed to the prison, because it is my problem. A self imposed problem perhaps, but mine none the less. ping, ping, ping. :) :) John W. Colby Colby Consulting On 10/4/2011 2:23 PM, Brad Marks wrote: > John, > > On several of your posts here on AccessD, you mentioned volunteer work > that you help with involving prisoners. > > Yesterday, I caught the tail-end of a program on Minnesota Public > Radio regarding a recent study that was conducted regarding the > statistics of prisoners getting into trouble again after they are > released. I believe that they said that the number 1 factor of > whether a prisoner breaks the law or not after being released is the > number of visitors that they had while in prison. (The more visitors > they had while in prison, resulted in much fewer repeat offenders). > > Because of the high cost of incarcerating criminals, people who visit > prisoners may be saving a lot of money for tax-payers and not even be > aware of this factor. > > I will try to see if this program is on the MPR website. If I find > it, I will email the link to you. Pretty interesting. > > Keep up the good work! > > Brad > > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Wed Oct 5 09:36:41 2011 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2011 10:36:41 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] OT - John Colby - volunteer work with Prisons - Minnesota Public Radio program In-Reply-To: <001501cc82da$fa541e80$eefc5b80$@comcast.net> References: <001401cc8237$b4ac88c0$1e059a40$@com.au> <4E8B6746.5080100@colbyconsulting.com> <001501cc82da$fa541e80$eefc5b80$@comcast.net> Message-ID: <4E8C6B79.4050203@colbyconsulting.com> Dan, Sadly politics is broken, not just in the US but around the world. I did an 8 month training, one full weekend a month to learn to be an advocate for people with disabilities. My daughter Allie has many disabilities caused by a genetic duplication. One of the weekends was dedicated to educating us on the political system, what special interests means, lobbying and so forth. Elections are won with advertising, advertising costs money, and companies (mostly) have money. But in the end it all comes down to people. Everyone believes what they believe, are (have been) convinced of the "truth" of their belief system. Republicans really do believe that government has no business being in the "help" business, that it is the job of the people to help each other. Democrats believe the opposite. People have become jaded and believe that nobody cares any more and so stop caring themselves. Ignoring the names of the political parties, this is not an American problem it is a world problem, which occurs any time there are so many people that we no longer know our neighbors. I don't mean "know their face" I mean "get to know" our neighbors. What we were shown in that weekend is that the primary job of a politician is to get re-elected. The politician him/herself has a belief system but unless (s)he can get (re)elected (s)he cannot implement the belief system. Once elected, there are so many conflicting interests that (s)he cannot really function effectively. The system truly is broken, and probably always has been. The only hope for mankind is for us to realize that we all stand together or we all fall alone. People have to individually make an effort to help others less fortunate than ourselves. Which is a lot of work, and there is a college football game on... and after that is Dancing with the Stars... and besides, what difference can I really make? :) John W. Colby Colby Consulting On 10/4/2011 5:17 PM, Dan Waters wrote: > John- some of this will change in the next election. Unfortunately, too > many people need to learn things the hard way. And learning that voting > carefully, not emotionally, is actually important. Politics is not a > reality TV show - it's real people really getting hurt. > > Dan From fuller.artful at gmail.com Wed Oct 5 10:10:51 2011 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2011 11:10:51 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] OT - John Colby - volunteer work with Prisons - Minnesota Public Radio program In-Reply-To: <4E8C6B79.4050203@colbyconsulting.com> References: <001401cc8237$b4ac88c0$1e059a40$@com.au> <4E8B6746.5080100@colbyconsulting.com> <001501cc82da$fa541e80$eefc5b80$@comcast.net> <4E8C6B79.4050203@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: I think that you are onto something here, JWC. And I am seriously unsure of the consequences that I draw, but here they are: 1. Political parties of whatever stripe are by definition attacks on popular opinion. I don't see any other way to see this. Let us for example take a hypothetical voter who is against abortion and also against religious instruction in public schools. No party represents this theoretical person. The inevitable result is that I choose the party that shares the most number of values and propositions with me, and that SUCKS. Tomorrow is Election Day in Ontario, and various polls indicate that either the Libs or the Cons are slated to have a minority win, and in either case that means that my party, the NDP, is going to hold the balance of power. On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 10:36 AM, jwcolby wrote: > Dan, > > Sadly politics is broken, not just in the US but around the world. > > I did an 8 month training, one full weekend a month to learn to be an > advocate for people with disabilities. My daughter Allie has many > disabilities caused by a genetic duplication. One of the weekends was > dedicated to educating us on the political system, what special interests > means, lobbying and so forth. > > Elections are won with advertising, advertising costs money, and companies > (mostly) have money. But in the end it all comes down to people. Everyone > believes what they believe, are (have been) convinced of the "truth" of > their belief system. > > Republicans really do believe that government has no business being in the > "help" business, that it is the job of the people to help each other. > Democrats believe the opposite. People have become jaded and believe that > nobody cares any more and so stop caring themselves. > > Ignoring the names of the political parties, this is not an American > problem it is a world problem, which occurs any time there are so many > people that we no longer know our neighbors. I don't mean "know their face" > I mean "get to know" our neighbors. > > What we were shown in that weekend is that the primary job of a politician > is to get re-elected. The politician him/herself has a belief system but > unless (s)he can get (re)elected (s)he cannot implement the belief system. > Once elected, there are so many conflicting interests that (s)he cannot > really function effectively. > > The system truly is broken, and probably always has been. > > The only hope for mankind is for us to realize that we all stand together > or we all fall alone. People have to individually make an effort to help > others less fortunate than ourselves. Which is a lot of work, and there is > a college football game on... and after that is Dancing with the Stars... > and besides, what difference can I really make? > > > :) > > > John W. Colby > Colby Consulting > > On 10/4/2011 5:17 PM, Dan Waters wrote: > >> John- some of this will change in the next election. Unfortunately, too >> many people need to learn things the hard way. And learning that voting >> carefully, not emotionally, is actually important. Politics is not a >> reality TV show - it's real people really getting hurt. >> >> Dan >> > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.**com > From john at winhaven.net Wed Oct 5 14:13:04 2011 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2011 14:13:04 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] FW: The passing of Drew Wutka In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <00c601cc8392$cfc8a9c0$6f59fd40$@winhaven.net> Hello All, I have some sad news to share with you all. Long time lister and friend to many, Drew Wutka, passed away Monday. His friend, Ken, contacted me and a number of other board members to share this news with us because he knew that Drew participated on the DBA lists as he spoke of it often. A coworker walked by Drew's office he saw that he had his head on his desk and went in to check on him. The coworker found that he and no pulse. The paramedics were called and he was taken to the hospital where he was pronounced dead upon arrival. Ken will keep me apprised of the situation and I will pass it on to everyone as soon as he shares any further information. My deepest condolences to all of Drew's family and friends. John Bartow, President Database Advisors, Inc. Office: 920-582-7574 Mobile: 920-410-7574 From jackandpat.d at gmail.com Wed Oct 5 14:20:24 2011 From: jackandpat.d at gmail.com (jack drawbridge) Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2011 15:20:24 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] FW: The passing of Drew Wutka In-Reply-To: <00c601cc8392$cfc8a9c0$6f59fd40$@winhaven.net> References: <00c601cc8392$cfc8a9c0$6f59fd40$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: Sad news indeed. He will be missed. You could always count on Drew for another opinion/view. RIP. On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 3:13 PM, John Bartow wrote: > Hello All, > > I have some sad news to share with you all. > > > > Long time lister and friend to many, Drew Wutka, passed away Monday. > > > > His friend, Ken, contacted me and a number of other board members to share > this news with us because he knew that Drew participated on the DBA lists > as > he spoke of it often. > > > > A coworker walked by Drew's office he saw that he had his head on his desk > and went in to check on him. The coworker found that he and no pulse. The > paramedics were called and he was taken to the hospital where he was > pronounced dead upon arrival. > > > > Ken will keep me apprised of the situation and I will pass it on to > everyone > as soon as he shares any further information. > > > > My deepest condolences to all of Drew's family and friends. > > > > John Bartow, President > > Database Advisors, Inc. > > Office: 920-582-7574 > > Mobile: 920-410-7574 > > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From john at winhaven.net Wed Oct 5 14:05:41 2011 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2011 14:05:41 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] FW: The passing of Drew Wutka In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <006c01cc8391$c72acfb0$55806f10$@winhaven.net> Hello All, I have some sad news to share with you all. Long time lister and friend to many, Drew Wutka, passed away Monday. His friend, Ken, contacted me and a number of other board members to share this news with us because he knew that Drew participated on the DBA lists as he spoke of it often. A coworker walked by Drew's office he saw that he had his head on his desk and went in to check on him. The coworker found that he and no pulse. The paramedics were called and he was taken to the hospital where he was pronounced dead upon arrival. Ken will keep me apprised of the situation and I will pass it on to everyone as soon as he shares any further information. My deepest condolences to all of Drew's family and friends. John Bartow, President Database Advisors, Inc. Office: 920-582-7574 Mobile: 920-410-7574 From andy at minstersystems.co.uk Wed Oct 5 14:53:49 2011 From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey) Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2011 20:53:49 +0100 Subject: [AccessD] FW: The passing of Drew Wutka In-Reply-To: <00c601cc8392$cfc8a9c0$6f59fd40$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: That's terrible news John, but thanks for letting us know. What a shock. He'll be very sadly missed. Andy -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow Sent: 05 October 2011 20:13 To: DBA-Access Subject: [AccessD] FW: The passing of Drew Wutka Hello All, I have some sad news to share with you all. Long time lister and friend to many, Drew Wutka, passed away Monday. His friend, Ken, contacted me and a number of other board members to share this news with us because he knew that Drew participated on the DBA lists as he spoke of it often. A coworker walked by Drew's office he saw that he had his head on his desk and went in to check on him. The coworker found that he and no pulse. The paramedics were called and he was taken to the hospital where he was pronounced dead upon arrival. Ken will keep me apprised of the situation and I will pass it on to everyone as soon as he shares any further information. My deepest condolences to all of Drew's family and friends. John Bartow, President Database Advisors, Inc. Office: 920-582-7574 Mobile: 920-410-7574 -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk Wed Oct 5 15:17:56 2011 From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid) Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2011 21:17:56 +0100 Subject: [AccessD] FW: The passing of Drew Wutka Message-ID: <631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB082956A302CE159@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk> That's sad to hear. I would lime to send something to his family if we get details. Martin Sent from my Windows Phone ________________________________ From: John Bartow Sent: 05/10/2011 20:15 To: DBA-Access Subject: [AccessD] FW: The passing of Drew Wutka Hello All, I have some sad news to share with you all. Long time lister and friend to many, Drew Wutka, passed away Monday. His friend, Ken, contacted me and a number of other board members to share this news with us because he knew that Drew participated on the DBA lists as he spoke of it often. A coworker walked by Drew's office he saw that he had his head on his desk and went in to check on him. The coworker found that he and no pulse. The paramedics were called and he was taken to the hospital where he was pronounced dead upon arrival. Ken will keep me apprised of the situation and I will pass it on to everyone as soon as he shares any further information. My deepest condolences to all of Drew's family and friends. John Bartow, President Database Advisors, Inc. Office: 920-582-7574 Mobile: 920-410-7574 -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Wed Oct 5 15:28:03 2011 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2011 16:28:03 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] [dba-SQLServer] FW: The passing of Drew Wutka In-Reply-To: <010c01cc8396$44b530c0$ce1f9240$@winhaven.net> References: <00ab01cc8392$cec73f50$6c55bdf0$@winhaven.net> <010c01cc8396$44b530c0$ce1f9240$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: <4E8CBDD3.900@colbyconsulting.com> Man that will take your breath away. Drew was essentially one of our founding members. DatabaseAdvisors needs to formally express out condolences to the family. This is a sad day. John W. Colby Colby Consulting On 10/5/2011 3:37 PM, John Bartow wrote: > Ken will be keeping me apprised of any further info including next of kin. > I'll pass along anything I receive. > > Drew's daughter is only 12 so I'm sure we need to be careful on how we > communicate on this. > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve > Erbach > Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2011 2:19 PM > To: Discussion concerning MS SQL Server > Subject: Re: [dba-SQLServer] FW: The passing of Drew Wutka > > John, > > Do you have contact info for his next of kin? > > Regards, > > Steve Erbach > Neenah, WI > > On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 2:13 PM, John Bartow wrote: > >> Hello All, >> >> I have some sad news to share with you all. >> >> >> >> Long time lister and friend to many, Drew Wutka, passed away Monday. >> >> >> >> His friend, Ken, contacted me and a number of other board members to >> share this news with us because he knew that Drew participated on the >> DBA lists as he spoke of it often. >> >> >> >> A coworker walked by Drew's office he saw that he had his head on his >> desk and went in to check on him. The coworker found that he and no >> pulse. The paramedics were called and he was taken to the hospital >> where he was pronounced dead upon arrival. >> >> >> >> Ken will keep me apprised of the situation and I will pass it on to >> everyone as soon as he shares any further information. >> >> >> >> My deepest condolences to all of Drew's family and friends. >> >> >> >> John Bartow, President >> >> Database Advisors, Inc. >> >> Office: 920-582-7574 >> >> Mobile: 920-410-7574 >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-SQLServer mailing list >> dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-sqlserver >> http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> > > > -- > Regards, > > Steve Erbach > Neenah, WI > http://www.NeenahPolitics.com > http://www.TheTownCrank.com > _______________________________________________ > dba-SQLServer mailing list > dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-sqlserver > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-SQLServer mailing list > dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-sqlserver > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > From john at winhaven.net Wed Oct 5 15:30:39 2011 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2011 15:30:39 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] FW: The passing of Drew Wutka In-Reply-To: <631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB082956A302CE159@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk> References: <631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB082956A302CE159@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk> Message-ID: <014701cc839d$a5a50020$f0ef0060$@winhaven.net> Ken will be keeping me apprised of any further info including next of kin. I'll pass along anything I receive. Drew's daughter, Hannah, is only 12 so I'm sure we need to be careful on how we communicate on this. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Martin Reid Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2011 3:18 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] FW: The passing of Drew Wutka That's sad to hear. I would lime to send something to his family if we get details. Martin Sent from my Windows Phone ________________________________ From: John Bartow Sent: 05/10/2011 20:15 To: DBA-Access Subject: [AccessD] FW: The passing of Drew Wutka Hello All, I have some sad news to share with you all. Long time lister and friend to many, Drew Wutka, passed away Monday. His friend, Ken, contacted me and a number of other board members to share this news with us because he knew that Drew participated on the DBA lists as he spoke of it often. A coworker walked by Drew's office he saw that he had his head on his desk and went in to check on him. The coworker found that he and no pulse. The paramedics were called and he was taken to the hospital where he was pronounced dead upon arrival. Ken will keep me apprised of the situation and I will pass it on to everyone as soon as he shares any further information. My deepest condolences to all of Drew's family and friends. John Bartow, President Database Advisors, Inc. Office: 920-582-7574 Mobile: 920-410-7574 -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From steve at datamanagementsolutions.biz Wed Oct 5 16:11:09 2011 From: steve at datamanagementsolutions.biz (Steve Schapel) Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2011 10:11:09 +1300 Subject: [AccessD] FW: The passing of Drew Wutka In-Reply-To: <00c601cc8392$cfc8a9c0$6f59fd40$@winhaven.net> References: <00c601cc8392$cfc8a9c0$6f59fd40$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: Thanks for letting us know, John. I have huge respect for Drew, his knowledge and the contributions he made to this group. This is very sad news indeed. Regards Steve -----Original Message----- From: John Bartow Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2011 8:13 AM To: DBA-Access Subject: [AccessD] FW: The passing of Drew Wutka Hello All, I have some sad news to share with you all. Long time lister and friend to many, Drew Wutka, passed away Monday. His friend, Ken, contacted me and a number of other board members to share this news with us because he knew that Drew participated on the DBA lists as he spoke of it often. A coworker walked by Drew's office he saw that he had his head on his desk and went in to check on him. The coworker found that he and no pulse. The paramedics were called and he was taken to the hospital where he was pronounced dead upon arrival. Ken will keep me apprised of the situation and I will pass it on to everyone as soon as he shares any further information. My deepest condolences to all of Drew's family and friends. John Bartow, President Database Advisors, Inc. Office: 920-582-7574 Mobile: 920-410-7574 -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From charlotte.foust at gmail.com Wed Oct 5 16:21:46 2011 From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust) Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2011 14:21:46 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] FW: The passing of Drew Wutka In-Reply-To: References: <00c601cc8392$cfc8a9c0$6f59fd40$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: Drew always seemed like a perennial young adult. I am stunned to hear of his death. As a grief coach, I'd also like to extend my services at no charge to any of you who need them. It would cost you nothing but a phone call. If you want to discuss it, please email me off list. Charlotte Foust On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 2:11 PM, Steve Schapel < steve at datamanagementsolutions.biz> wrote: > Thanks for letting us know, John. I have huge respect for Drew, his > knowledge and the contributions he made to this group. This is very sad > news indeed. > > Regards > Steve > > -----Original Message----- From: John Bartow > Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2011 8:13 AM > > To: DBA-Access > Subject: [AccessD] FW: The passing of Drew Wutka > > Hello All, > > I have some sad news to share with you all. > > > > Long time lister and friend to many, Drew Wutka, passed away Monday. > > > > His friend, Ken, contacted me and a number of other board members to share > this news with us because he knew that Drew participated on the DBA lists > as > he spoke of it often. > > > > A coworker walked by Drew's office he saw that he had his head on his desk > and went in to check on him. The coworker found that he and no pulse. The > paramedics were called and he was taken to the hospital where he was > pronounced dead upon arrival. > > > > Ken will keep me apprised of the situation and I will pass it on to > everyone > as soon as he shares any further information. > > > > My deepest condolences to all of Drew's family and friends. > > > > John Bartow, President > > Database Advisors, Inc. > > Office: 920-582-7574 > > Mobile: 920-410-7574 > > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/accessd > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.**com > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/accessd > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.**com > > > From ssharkins at gmail.com Wed Oct 5 16:28:26 2011 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2011 17:28:26 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] FW: The passing of Drew Wutka References: <00c601cc8392$cfc8a9c0$6f59fd40$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: You're sweet. ;) Susan H. > Drew always seemed like a perennial young adult. I am stunned to hear of > his death. As a grief coach, I'd also like to extend my services at no > charge to any of you who need them. It would cost you nothing but a phone > call. If you want to discuss it, please email me off list. From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au Wed Oct 5 17:52:34 2011 From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins) Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2011 09:52:34 +1100 Subject: [AccessD] FW: The passing of Drew Wutka In-Reply-To: <014701cc839d$a5a50020$f0ef0060$@winhaven.net> References: <631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB082956A302CE159@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk> <014701cc839d$a5a50020$f0ef0060$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: <000901cc83b1$792faf40$6b8f0dc0$@com.au> Thanks John, Please let us know. I would be happy to chip in something for the family. That is really sad, his daughter is young too. :-/ Regards Darryl. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow Sent: Thursday, 6 October 2011 7:31 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] FW: The passing of Drew Wutka Ken will be keeping me apprised of any further info including next of kin. I'll pass along anything I receive. Drew's daughter, Hannah, is only 12 so I'm sure we need to be careful on how we communicate on this. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Martin Reid Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2011 3:18 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] FW: The passing of Drew Wutka That's sad to hear. I would lime to send something to his family if we get details. Martin Sent from my Windows Phone ________________________________ From: John Bartow Sent: 05/10/2011 20:15 To: DBA-Access Subject: [AccessD] FW: The passing of Drew Wutka Hello All, I have some sad news to share with you all. Long time lister and friend to many, Drew Wutka, passed away Monday. His friend, Ken, contacted me and a number of other board members to share this news with us because he knew that Drew participated on the DBA lists as he spoke of it often. A coworker walked by Drew's office he saw that he had his head on his desk and went in to check on him. The coworker found that he and no pulse. The paramedics were called and he was taken to the hospital where he was pronounced dead upon arrival. Ken will keep me apprised of the situation and I will pass it on to everyone as soon as he shares any further information. My deepest condolences to all of Drew's family and friends. John Bartow, President Database Advisors, Inc. Office: 920-582-7574 Mobile: 920-410-7574 -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From john at winhaven.net Wed Oct 5 18:11:35 2011 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2011 18:11:35 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] FW: Drew Wutka's Services In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <01b201cc83b4$214d2e80$63e78b80$@winhaven.net> Forwarded From Ken: I spoke with Drew's mom and told her the many wonderful and kind things you guys have written about Drew.? I told her I could forward them and she was excited, so I did in fact send them to her.? ? If you have anything you can share I am certain she and Hannah, and his Dad would love it.? Her email address is: nwutka at sbcglobal.com The following is the information relating to his services: Viewing at Turrentine Jackson Morrow I-75 and ridgeview Thursday 6-7 972-562-2601 Preston Meadow Lutheran 10:30 Friday after back to church for light lunch 972-618-2233 Please feel free to contact me and share this information as you deem necessary. Kenneth Van Huss ? VanGard Systems Office (214) 801-4357 ext 335 Fax??? (214) 299-8597 Cell??? (214) 243-5659 kvanhuss at airrsystem.com From john at winhaven.net Wed Oct 5 18:21:04 2011 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2011 18:21:04 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Drew Wutka memorial ideas Message-ID: <01b301cc83b5$741defe0$5c59cfa0$@winhaven.net> Hello Listers, While I agree that we should do something as a group, I also encourage you all to act on your own accord. As Ken mentioned in his email that I just sent out, his family was very happy to hear of our fond thoughts and reminiscing's of Drew. I encourage you to send emails, Facebooks postings, cards, etc. I would like to see what everyone would like to do for Drew. A couple of ideas were to send something to his service from DBA, collect for a DBA memorial fund to aid his daughter Hannah. Any other ideas? John Bartow WinHaven Consulting PO Box 130 Winneconne, WI 54986 Office: 920-582-7574 Mobile: 920-410-7574 From robert at servicexp.com Wed Oct 5 18:25:44 2011 From: robert at servicexp.com (Robert) Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2011 19:25:44 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] FW: The passing of Drew Wutka In-Reply-To: <00c601cc8392$cfc8a9c0$6f59fd40$@winhaven.net> References: <00c601cc8392$cfc8a9c0$6f59fd40$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: <000f01cc83b6$25b3ab00$711b0100$@com> So sad indeed. I'm at a loss for words....... ...Lord strengthen and comfort Drew's family during this very difficult time... Robert -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2011 3:13 PM To: DBA-Access Subject: [AccessD] FW: The passing of Drew Wutka Hello All, I have some sad news to share with you all. Long time lister and friend to many, Drew Wutka, passed away Monday. His friend, Ken, contacted me and a number of other board members to share this news with us because he knew that Drew participated on the DBA lists as he spoke of it often. A coworker walked by Drew's office he saw that he had his head on his desk and went in to check on him. The coworker found that he and no pulse. The paramedics were called and he was taken to the hospital where he was pronounced dead upon arrival. Ken will keep me apprised of the situation and I will pass it on to everyone as soon as he shares any further information. My deepest condolences to all of Drew's family and friends. John Bartow, President Database Advisors, Inc. Office: 920-582-7574 Mobile: 920-410-7574 -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From charlotte.foust at gmail.com Wed Oct 5 19:04:10 2011 From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust) Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2011 17:04:10 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Drew Wutka memorial ideas In-Reply-To: <01b301cc83b5$741defe0$5c59cfa0$@winhaven.net> References: <01b301cc83b5$741defe0$5c59cfa0$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: One of the things that is especially helpful to children struggling with grief is a memory book. Since our memories of Drew are "virtual", we couldn't contribute photos or such, but the archives must have many threads that include the outrageous exchanges we had over the years with Drew in there fanning the flames. I wonder if it would be possible to put something together with snippets of his humor and insight and some typical teasing that might serve to remind her as the years pass of the kind of person her father was. Those could be put together in a scrapbook of sorts using online services and sent to Drew's family. We could even collaborate with them in creating something like that that included photos and such they would like to use to remember him and to preserve his memory. I we covered the cost, that would be a great memorial, and we could provide copies for each member of his family. Charlotte Foust On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 4:21 PM, John Bartow wrote: > Hello Listers, > While I agree that we should do something as a group, I also encourage you > all to act on your own accord. As Ken mentioned in his email that I just > sent out, his family was very happy to hear of our fond thoughts and > reminiscing's of Drew. I encourage you to send emails, Facebooks postings, > cards, etc. > > I would like to see what everyone would like to do for Drew. A couple of > ideas were to send something to his service from DBA, collect for a DBA > memorial fund to aid his daughter Hannah. > > Any other ideas? > > John Bartow > WinHaven Consulting > PO Box 130 > Winneconne, WI 54986 > Office: 920-582-7574 > Mobile: 920-410-7574 > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > From ssharkins at gmail.com Wed Oct 5 19:25:25 2011 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2011 20:25:25 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Drew Wutka memorial ideas References: <01b301cc83b5$741defe0$5c59cfa0$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: I was trying to think if his mom would like my copies of the articles we wrote -- some of them were in print, in IMA and a few others. I thought about sending her the actual journals. It seems kind of silly, they won't really want to read them, but... do you think she'd want them? He probably got a copy, but if they find them, they probably won't realize what they're dealing with -- will most likely think they're just old technical journals and throw them out. On the other hand, they might not care -- I just don't know -- it's not like they're great literature or anything, but I think... if it were my son, I'd want them. I just don't know what to do. Susan H. > One of the things that is especially helpful to children struggling with > grief is a memory book. Since our memories of Drew are "virtual", we > couldn't contribute photos or such, but the archives must have many > threads > that include the outrageous exchanges we had over the years with Drew in > there fanning the flames. I wonder if it would be possible to put > something > together with snippets of his humor and insight and some typical teasing > that might serve to remind her as the years pass of the kind of person her > father was. Those could be put together in a scrapbook of sorts using > online services and sent to Drew's family. We could even collaborate with > them in creating something like that that included photos and such they > would like to use to remember him and to preserve his memory. I we > covered > the cost, that would be a great memorial, and we could provide copies for > each member of his family. From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au Wed Oct 5 19:31:00 2011 From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins) Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2011 11:31:00 +1100 Subject: [AccessD] Drew Wutka memorial ideas In-Reply-To: References: <01b301cc83b5$741defe0$5c59cfa0$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: <001101cc83bf$39212f10$ab638d30$@com.au> Email her and ask what she thinks. I always find these situations a bit tricky - some folks throw a lot of things out and others want to keep them. I guess all you can do is ask and respond appropriately. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins Sent: Thursday, 6 October 2011 11:25 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Drew Wutka memorial ideas I was trying to think if his mom would like my copies of the articles we wrote -- some of them were in print, in IMA and a few others. I thought about sending her the actual journals. It seems kind of silly, they won't really want to read them, but... do you think she'd want them? He probably got a copy, but if they find them, they probably won't realize what they're dealing with -- will most likely think they're just old technical journals and throw them out. On the other hand, they might not care -- I just don't know -- it's not like they're great literature or anything, but I think... if it were my son, I'd want them. I just don't know what to do. Susan H. > One of the things that is especially helpful to children struggling with > grief is a memory book. Since our memories of Drew are "virtual", we > couldn't contribute photos or such, but the archives must have many > threads > that include the outrageous exchanges we had over the years with Drew in > there fanning the flames. I wonder if it would be possible to put > something > together with snippets of his humor and insight and some typical teasing > that might serve to remind her as the years pass of the kind of person her > father was. Those could be put together in a scrapbook of sorts using > online services and sent to Drew's family. We could even collaborate with > them in creating something like that that included photos and such they > would like to use to remember him and to preserve his memory. I we > covered > the cost, that would be a great memorial, and we could provide copies for > each member of his family. -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Wed Oct 5 19:40:18 2011 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2011 17:40:18 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Drew Wutka memorial ideas In-Reply-To: References: <01b301cc83b5$741defe0$5c59cfa0$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: "if it were my son, I'd want them." There's you answer, I think. Maybe Hanna will read them one day. Anyway, I think that's a wonderful idea, and a wonderful legacy for them to have. R -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2011 5:25 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Drew Wutka memorial ideas I was trying to think if his mom would like my copies of the articles we wrote -- some of them were in print, in IMA and a few others. I thought about sending her the actual journals. It seems kind of silly, they won't really want to read them, but... do you think she'd want them? He probably got a copy, but if they find them, they probably won't realize what they're dealing with -- will most likely think they're just old technical journals and throw them out. On the other hand, they might not care -- I just don't know -- it's not like they're great literature or anything, but I think... if it were my son, I'd want them. I just don't know what to do. Susan H. > One of the things that is especially helpful to children struggling > with grief is a memory book. Since our memories of Drew are > "virtual", we couldn't contribute photos or such, but the archives > must have many threads that include the outrageous exchanges we had > over the years with Drew in there fanning the flames. I wonder if it > would be possible to put something together with snippets of his humor > and insight and some typical teasing that might serve to remind her as > the years pass of the kind of person her father was. Those could be > put together in a scrapbook of sorts using online services and sent to > Drew's family. We could even collaborate with them in creating > something like that that included photos and such they would like to > use to remember him and to preserve his memory. I we covered the > cost, that would be a great memorial, and we could provide copies for > each member of his family. -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From marksimms at verizon.net Wed Oct 5 20:27:01 2011 From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms) Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2011 21:27:01 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Drew Wutka memorial ideas In-Reply-To: References: <01b301cc83b5$741defe0$5c59cfa0$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: <006701cc83c7$0c766cc0$25634640$@net> I'll definitely "chip in". I know this is not a warm and fuzzy way of doing it, but would PayPal be out of the question here ? I mean...it's at least convenient. The recipient could establish an account there within days. From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Wed Oct 5 20:32:09 2011 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2011 21:32:09 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Drew Wutka memorial ideas In-Reply-To: References: <01b301cc83b5$741defe0$5c59cfa0$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: <4E8D0519.8080301@colbyconsulting.com> I think they should be forwarded to the family. They might not know he was "published". John W. Colby Colby Consulting On 10/5/2011 8:25 PM, Susan Harkins wrote: > I was trying to think if his mom would like my copies of the articles we wrote -- some of them were > in print, in IMA and a few others. I thought about sending her the actual journals. It seems kind of > silly, they won't really want to read them, but... do you think she'd want them? He probably got a > copy, but if they find them, they probably won't realize what they're dealing with -- will most > likely think they're just old technical journals and throw them out. On the other hand, they might > not care -- I just don't know -- it's not like they're great literature or anything, but I think... > if it were my son, I'd want them. I just don't know what to do. > > Susan H. > > >> One of the things that is especially helpful to children struggling with >> grief is a memory book. Since our memories of Drew are "virtual", we >> couldn't contribute photos or such, but the archives must have many threads >> that include the outrageous exchanges we had over the years with Drew in >> there fanning the flames. I wonder if it would be possible to put something >> together with snippets of his humor and insight and some typical teasing >> that might serve to remind her as the years pass of the kind of person her >> father was. Those could be put together in a scrapbook of sorts using >> online services and sent to Drew's family. We could even collaborate with >> them in creating something like that that included photos and such they >> would like to use to remember him and to preserve his memory. I we covered >> the cost, that would be a great memorial, and we could provide copies for >> each member of his family. > From kvanhuss at airrsystem.com Wed Oct 5 21:38:22 2011 From: kvanhuss at airrsystem.com (Kenneth W Van Huss) Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2011 21:38:22 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Drew Wutka memorial ideas In-Reply-To: References: <01b301cc83b5$741defe0$5c59cfa0$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: FWIW, if my opinion accounts, Charlotte's idea sounds like something the family would like. Kenneth Van Huss VanGard Systems Office (214) 801-4357 ext 335 Fax (214) 299-8597 Cell (214) 243-5659 kvanhuss at airrsystem.com ================================================================ This message and all attachments transmitted with it may contain legally privileged/proprietary information intended solely for the use of the addressee. If this email is not intended for you, and you are not responsible for the delivery of this email message to the addressee, do not keep, copy or deliver this email message to anyone. Please destroy this email in its entirety and notify the sender by reply email. Your cooperation is appreciated. ================================================================== ??In consideration of the environment ? please do not print this email unless absolutely necessary. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2011 7:04 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Drew Wutka memorial ideas One of the things that is especially helpful to children struggling with grief is a memory book. Since our memories of Drew are "virtual", we couldn't contribute photos or such, but the archives must have many threads that include the outrageous exchanges we had over the years with Drew in there fanning the flames. I wonder if it would be possible to put something together with snippets of his humor and insight and some typical teasing that might serve to remind her as the years pass of the kind of person her father was. Those could be put together in a scrapbook of sorts using online services and sent to Drew's family. We could even collaborate with them in creating something like that that included photos and such they would like to use to remember him and to preserve his memory. I we covered the cost, that would be a great memorial, and we could provide copies for each member of his family. Charlotte Foust On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 4:21 PM, John Bartow wrote: > Hello Listers, > While I agree that we should do something as a group, I also encourage > you all to act on your own accord. As Ken mentioned in his email that > I just sent out, his family was very happy to hear of our fond > thoughts and reminiscing's of Drew. I encourage you to send emails, > Facebooks postings, cards, etc. > > I would like to see what everyone would like to do for Drew. A couple > of ideas were to send something to his service from DBA, collect for a > DBA memorial fund to aid his daughter Hannah. > > Any other ideas? > > John Bartow > WinHaven Consulting > PO Box 130 > Winneconne, WI 54986 > Office: 920-582-7574 > Mobile: 920-410-7574 > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From kvanhuss at airrsystem.com Wed Oct 5 21:40:13 2011 From: kvanhuss at airrsystem.com (Kenneth W Van Huss) Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2011 21:40:13 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Drew Wutka memorial ideas In-Reply-To: References: <01b301cc83b5$741defe0$5c59cfa0$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: I too believe that the family would like it. You can also email her and ask if it is something they would like for themselves or for Hannah. Respectfully, Kenneth Van Huss VanGard Systems Office (214) 801-4357 ext 335 Fax (214) 299-8597 Cell (214) 243-5659 kvanhuss at airrsystem.com ================================================================ This message and all attachments transmitted with it may contain legally privileged/proprietary information intended solely for the use of the addressee. If this email is not intended for you, and you are not responsible for the delivery of this email message to the addressee, do not keep, copy or deliver this email message to anyone. Please destroy this email in its entirety and notify the sender by reply email. Your cooperation is appreciated. ================================================================== ??In consideration of the environment ? please do not print this email unless absolutely necessary. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2011 7:25 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Drew Wutka memorial ideas I was trying to think if his mom would like my copies of the articles we wrote -- some of them were in print, in IMA and a few others. I thought about sending her the actual journals. It seems kind of silly, they won't really want to read them, but... do you think she'd want them? He probably got a copy, but if they find them, they probably won't realize what they're dealing with -- will most likely think they're just old technical journals and throw them out. On the other hand, they might not care -- I just don't know -- it's not like they're great literature or anything, but I think... if it were my son, I'd want them. I just don't know what to do. Susan H. > One of the things that is especially helpful to children struggling > with grief is a memory book. Since our memories of Drew are > "virtual", we couldn't contribute photos or such, but the archives > must have many threads that include the outrageous exchanges we had > over the years with Drew in there fanning the flames. I wonder if it > would be possible to put something together with snippets of his humor > and insight and some typical teasing that might serve to remind her as > the years pass of the kind of person her father was. Those could be > put together in a scrapbook of sorts using online services and sent to > Drew's family. We could even collaborate with them in creating > something like that that included photos and such they would like to > use to remember him and to preserve his memory. I we covered the > cost, that would be a great memorial, and we could provide copies for > each member of his family. -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From edzedz at comcast.net Wed Oct 5 21:44:48 2011 From: edzedz at comcast.net (Edward Zuris) Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2011 20:44:48 -0600 Subject: [AccessD] FW: The passing of Drew Wutka In-Reply-To: <00c601cc8392$cfc8a9c0$6f59fd40$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: <000a01cc83d1$ea0ee530$5bdea8c0@edz1> So Sad. . . . -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2011 1:13 PM To: DBA-Access Subject: [AccessD] FW: The passing of Drew Wutka Hello All, I have some sad news to share with you all. Long time lister and friend to many, Drew Wutka, passed away Monday. His friend, Ken, contacted me and a number of other board members to share this news with us because he knew that Drew participated on the DBA lists as he spoke of it often. A coworker walked by Drew's office he saw that he had his head on his desk and went in to check on him. The coworker found that he and no pulse. The paramedics were called and he was taken to the hospital where he was pronounced dead upon arrival. Ken will keep me apprised of the situation and I will pass it on to everyone as soon as he shares any further information. My deepest condolences to all of Drew's family and friends. John Bartow, President Database Advisors, Inc. Office: 920-582-7574 Mobile: 920-410-7574 -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Wed Oct 5 20:02:18 2011 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2011 21:02:18 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] A person that I have never met has passed Message-ID: Over the past 10 years or so, I have had about 1000 e-conversations with Drew Wutka, and have come to regard him as one of the sharpest knives in the drawer. He has taught me a lot about programming. He had a beautiful style in his code, minimalist to the max. You could look at his code and not cut a single line. He was absolutely brilliant, and always willing to share his code. Iearned a ton from him, and I shall miss him on every future day. Arthur From jimdettman at verizon.net Thu Oct 6 06:45:02 2011 From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman) Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2011 07:45:02 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] FW: The passing of Drew Wutka In-Reply-To: <00c601cc8392$cfc8a9c0$6f59fd40$@winhaven.net> References: <00c601cc8392$cfc8a9c0$6f59fd40$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: Wow...very sad to hear of his passing. I loved reading Drew's comments on the list. Sad too that he left behind a daughter so young. It's tough enough to loose a parent as an adult. I can't imagine loosing a parent at such a young age. Count me in as well for whatever everyone feels might be a fitting memorial. Jim. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2011 03:13 PM To: DBA-Access Subject: [AccessD] FW: The passing of Drew Wutka Hello All, I have some sad news to share with you all. Long time lister and friend to many, Drew Wutka, passed away Monday. His friend, Ken, contacted me and a number of other board members to share this news with us because he knew that Drew participated on the DBA lists as he spoke of it often. A coworker walked by Drew's office he saw that he had his head on his desk and went in to check on him. The coworker found that he and no pulse. The paramedics were called and he was taken to the hospital where he was pronounced dead upon arrival. Ken will keep me apprised of the situation and I will pass it on to everyone as soon as he shares any further information. My deepest condolences to all of Drew's family and friends. John Bartow, President Database Advisors, Inc. Office: 920-582-7574 Mobile: 920-410-7574 -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From tinanfields at torchlake.com Thu Oct 6 07:02:43 2011 From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields) Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2011 08:02:43 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Drew Wutka memorial ideas In-Reply-To: References: <01b301cc83b5$741defe0$5c59cfa0$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: <4E8D98E3.7020909@torchlake.com> I think this is a wonderful idea. How may I help? T Tina Norris Fields tinanfields at torchlake.com 231-322-2787 On 10/5/2011 8:04 PM, Charlotte Foust wrote: > One of the things that is especially helpful to children struggling with > grief is a memory book. Since our memories of Drew are "virtual", we > couldn't contribute photos or such, but the archives must have many threads > that include the outrageous exchanges we had over the years with Drew in > there fanning the flames. I wonder if it would be possible to put something > together with snippets of his humor and insight and some typical teasing > that might serve to remind her as the years pass of the kind of person her > father was. Those could be put together in a scrapbook of sorts using > online services and sent to Drew's family. We could even collaborate with > them in creating something like that that included photos and such they > would like to use to remember him and to preserve his memory. I we covered > the cost, that would be a great memorial, and we could provide copies for > each member of his family. > > Charlotte Foust > > On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 4:21 PM, John Bartow wrote: > >> Hello Listers, >> While I agree that we should do something as a group, I also encourage you >> all to act on your own accord. As Ken mentioned in his email that I just >> sent out, his family was very happy to hear of our fond thoughts and >> reminiscing's of Drew. I encourage you to send emails, Facebooks postings, >> cards, etc. >> >> I would like to see what everyone would like to do for Drew. A couple of >> ideas were to send something to his service from DBA, collect for a DBA >> memorial fund to aid his daughter Hannah. >> >> Any other ideas? >> >> John Bartow >> WinHaven Consulting >> PO Box 130 >> Winneconne, WI 54986 >> Office: 920-582-7574 >> Mobile: 920-410-7574 >> >> >> -- >> AccessD mailing list >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >> >> >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> >> From rusty.hammond at cpiqpc.com Thu Oct 6 09:07:24 2011 From: rusty.hammond at cpiqpc.com (Rusty Hammond) Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2011 09:07:24 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Drew Wutka memorial ideas In-Reply-To: <4E8D0519.8080301@colbyconsulting.com> References: <01b301cc83b5$741defe0$5c59cfa0$@winhaven.net> <4E8D0519.8080301@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <49A286ABF515E94A8505CD14DEB721701744A1CA@CPIEMAIL-EVS1.CPIQPC.NET> I know I don't post a lot but I have been subscribed to this list for a few years. It was very obvious how well respected Drew was on this list and I think the family would really like to know that. Small world, turns out my wife has been working with Drew's sister-in-law (married to Drew's brother) for a few years now. They are reading tutors and sit right next to each other every day. My jaw dropped when my wife told me last night about Amy's brother-in-law passing away this week. I would be glad to help get any condolences, memories, etc to the family. Rusty Hammond -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2011 8:32 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Drew Wutka memorial ideas I think they should be forwarded to the family. They might not know he was "published". John W. Colby Colby Consulting On 10/5/2011 8:25 PM, Susan Harkins wrote: > I was trying to think if his mom would like my copies of the articles > we wrote -- some of them were in print, in IMA and a few others. I > thought about sending her the actual journals. It seems kind of silly, > they won't really want to read them, but... do you think she'd want > them? He probably got a copy, but if they find them, they probably > won't realize what they're dealing with -- will most likely think they're just old technical journals and throw them out. On the other hand, they might not care -- I just don't know -- it's not like they're great literature or anything, but I think... > if it were my son, I'd want them. I just don't know what to do. > > Susan H. > > >> One of the things that is especially helpful to children struggling >> with grief is a memory book. Since our memories of Drew are >> "virtual", we couldn't contribute photos or such, but the archives >> must have many threads that include the outrageous exchanges we had >> over the years with Drew in there fanning the flames. I wonder if it >> would be possible to put something together with snippets of his >> humor and insight and some typical teasing that might serve to remind >> her as the years pass of the kind of person her father was. Those >> could be put together in a scrapbook of sorts using online services >> and sent to Drew's family. We could even collaborate with them in >> creating something like that that included photos and such they would >> like to use to remember him and to preserve his memory. I we covered >> the cost, that would be a great memorial, and we could provide copies for each member of his family. > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com ********************************************************************** WARNING: All e-mail sent to and from this address will be received, scanned or otherwise recorded by the CPI Qualified Plan Consultants, Inc. corporate e-mail system and is subject to archival, monitoring or review by, and/or disclosure to, someone other than the recipient. ********************************************************************** From markamatte at hotmail.com Thu Oct 6 10:28:21 2011 From: markamatte at hotmail.com (Mark A Matte) Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2011 15:28:21 +0000 Subject: [AccessD] Drew Wutka memorial ideas In-Reply-To: <4E8D0519.8080301@colbyconsulting.com> References: <01b301cc83b5$741defe0$5c59cfa0$@winhaven.net>, , , <4E8D0519.8080301@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: I agree. Drew was also listed as "one of the giants of AccessD" in Martin's book. Not sure his family knows that...but I think this is a good representation of how he was viewed and appreciated by the list as a whole. Mark A. Matte > Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2011 21:32:09 -0400 > From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Drew Wutka memorial ideas > > I think they should be forwarded to the family. They might not know he was "published". > > John W. Colby > Colby Consulting > > On 10/5/2011 8:25 PM, Susan Harkins wrote: > > I was trying to think if his mom would like my copies of the articles we wrote -- some of them were > > in print, in IMA and a few others. I thought about sending her the actual journals. It seems kind of > > silly, they won't really want to read them, but... do you think she'd want them? He probably got a > > copy, but if they find them, they probably won't realize what they're dealing with -- will most > > likely think they're just old technical journals and throw them out. On the other hand, they might > > not care -- I just don't know -- it's not like they're great literature or anything, but I think... > > if it were my son, I'd want them. I just don't know what to do. > > > > Susan H. > > > > > >> One of the things that is especially helpful to children struggling with > >> grief is a memory book. Since our memories of Drew are "virtual", we > >> couldn't contribute photos or such, but the archives must have many threads > >> that include the outrageous exchanges we had over the years with Drew in > >> there fanning the flames. I wonder if it would be possible to put something > >> together with snippets of his humor and insight and some typical teasing > >> that might serve to remind her as the years pass of the kind of person her > >> father was. Those could be put together in a scrapbook of sorts using > >> online services and sent to Drew's family. We could even collaborate with > >> them in creating something like that that included photos and such they > >> would like to use to remember him and to preserve his memory. I we covered > >> the cost, that would be a great memorial, and we could provide copies for > >> each member of his family. > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From markamatte at hotmail.com Thu Oct 6 11:51:48 2011 From: markamatte at hotmail.com (Mark A Matte) Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2011 16:51:48 +0000 Subject: [AccessD] Drew Wutka memorial ideas In-Reply-To: References: <01b301cc83b5$741defe0$5c59cfa0$@winhaven.net>, , , , , , <4E8D0519.8080301@colbyconsulting.com>, Message-ID: For those who might not remember we have some pictures on accesD... http://www.databaseadvisors.com/newsletters/bio_pages/bio_drew.asp > From: markamatte at hotmail.com > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com > Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2011 15:28:21 +0000 > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Drew Wutka memorial ideas > > > I agree. Drew was also listed as "one of the giants of AccessD" in Martin's book. > > Not sure his family knows that...but I think this is a good representation of how he was viewed and appreciated by the list as a whole. > > Mark A. Matte > > > > > > Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2011 21:32:09 -0400 > > From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com > > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Drew Wutka memorial ideas > > > > I think they should be forwarded to the family. They might not know he was "published". > > > > John W. Colby > > Colby Consulting > > > > On 10/5/2011 8:25 PM, Susan Harkins wrote: > > > I was trying to think if his mom would like my copies of the articles we wrote -- some of them were > > > in print, in IMA and a few others. I thought about sending her the actual journals. It seems kind of > > > silly, they won't really want to read them, but... do you think she'd want them? He probably got a > > > copy, but if they find them, they probably won't realize what they're dealing with -- will most > > > likely think they're just old technical journals and throw them out. On the other hand, they might > > > not care -- I just don't know -- it's not like they're great literature or anything, but I think... > > > if it were my son, I'd want them. I just don't know what to do. > > > > > > Susan H. > > > > > > > > >> One of the things that is especially helpful to children struggling with > > >> grief is a memory book. Since our memories of Drew are "virtual", we > > >> couldn't contribute photos or such, but the archives must have many threads > > >> that include the outrageous exchanges we had over the years with Drew in > > >> there fanning the flames. I wonder if it would be possible to put something > > >> together with snippets of his humor and insight and some typical teasing > > >> that might serve to remind her as the years pass of the kind of person her > > >> father was. Those could be put together in a scrapbook of sorts using > > >> online services and sent to Drew's family. We could even collaborate with > > >> them in creating something like that that included photos and such they > > >> would like to use to remember him and to preserve his memory. I we covered > > >> the cost, that would be a great memorial, and we could provide copies for > > >> each member of his family. > > > > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From BradM at blackforestltd.com Thu Oct 6 14:46:50 2011 From: BradM at blackforestltd.com (Brad Marks) Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2011 14:46:50 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] How to insert a record into an Access table that has an "Attachment" field (with VBA code) References: <4E591854.8090208@colbyconsulting.com><6BAD4B05F0474F8083137B9C25B1038C@HAL9007><4E597AE8.6269.28B4FE51@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: I have just started to experiment with product pictures. I have a small test table that only have two fields - Part_Number and Part_Picture (defined as an Attachment field). I can manually add data to this table, but I now want to add some test records with VBA code. I have made several attempts which did not work. I must be missing something. Does anyone have an example of how to do this? Thanks, Brad From fuller.artful at gmail.com Thu Oct 6 16:24:28 2011 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2011 17:24:28 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Drew Wutka memorial ideas In-Reply-To: References: <01b301cc83b5$741defe0$5c59cfa0$@winhaven.net> <4E8D0519.8080301@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: He taught me most of the stuff I know. I can't figure out why I am 10 years older and still alive. He was a very very very smart person. A. On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 11:28 AM, Mark A Matte wrote: > > I agree. Drew was also listed as "one of the giants of AccessD" in > Martin's book. > > Not sure his family knows that...but I think this is a good representation > of how he was viewed and appreciated by the list as a whole. > > Mark A. Matte > > > > > > Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2011 21:32:09 -0400 > > From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com > > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Drew Wutka memorial ideas > > > > I think they should be forwarded to the family. They might not know he > was "published". > > > > John W. Colby > > Colby Consulting > > > > On 10/5/2011 8:25 PM, Susan Harkins wrote: > > > I was trying to think if his mom would like my copies of the articles > we wrote -- some of them were > > > in print, in IMA and a few others. I thought about sending her the > actual journals. It seems kind of > > > silly, they won't really want to read them, but... do you think she'd > want them? He probably got a > > > copy, but if they find them, they probably won't realize what they're > dealing with -- will most > > > likely think they're just old technical journals and throw them out. On > the other hand, they might > > > not care -- I just don't know -- it's not like they're great literature > or anything, but I think... > > > if it were my son, I'd want them. I just don't know what to do. > > > > > > Susan H. > > > > > > > > >> One of the things that is especially helpful to children struggling > with > > >> grief is a memory book. Since our memories of Drew are "virtual", we > > >> couldn't contribute photos or such, but the archives must have many > threads > > >> that include the outrageous exchanges we had over the years with Drew > in > > >> there fanning the flames. I wonder if it would be possible to put > something > > >> together with snippets of his humor and insight and some typical > teasing > > >> that might serve to remind her as the years pass of the kind of person > her > > >> father was. Those could be put together in a scrapbook of sorts using > > >> online services and sent to Drew's family. We could even collaborate > with > > >> them in creating something like that that included photos and such > they > > >> would like to use to remember him and to preserve his memory. I we > covered > > >> the cost, that would be a great memorial, and we could provide copies > for > > >> each member of his family. > > > > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From kismert at gmail.com Thu Oct 6 17:50:28 2011 From: kismert at gmail.com (Kenneth Ismert) Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2011 17:50:28 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] FW: The passing of Drew Wutka Message-ID: I am sad to hear the news. Although I never met him, he felt like a friend. I will miss his curmudgeonly insight. -Ken From ssharkins at gmail.com Thu Oct 6 19:38:51 2011 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2011 20:38:51 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] 10 things I don't miss about Access Message-ID: <11C1B61285C842CF916599C780A8EE25@SusanHarkins> I wonder what Drew would say. Susan H. From kvanhuss at airrsystem.com Thu Oct 6 20:07:57 2011 From: kvanhuss at airrsystem.com (Kenneth W Van Huss) Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2011 20:07:57 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] What would Drew think? Message-ID: Many of you may not know that Drew was not formally trained in computer science but was self taught. He learned many things on his own, and as such named his discoveries to what suited him. Sometimes his discoveries were already known by other names in the development community. I remember about 9 years ago him telling me about "streamlining" or "downsizing" tables (that may not be what he called it as it was a long time ago). He said he was "talking" about it on the AccessD list and someone used the term normalizing a table, and if I remember correctly there was banter on the list about it. He was serious at the time, and thought normalization didn't really fit the situation. Some of you may recall the details, and I may not be conveying it correctly. But it was funny to me back then. Drew learned so much on his own, and didn't live within the limits or restraints of what Microsoft imposed. When he first started using ASP.NET, he felt Microsoft had taken away features that he found useful and used frequently in ASP. So he somehow hacked out a solution that gave him what Microsoft had taken away so the he could make .NET work the way he felt it should. For those old enough to know what an Enigma machine was, or those knowledgeable of WWII history, Drew created a program that emulated it. And these things he did for fun and entertainment. And don't tell Drew it can't be done. That was like a personal challenge, and he would show you it could be done just to prove you wrong. These are some of the many memories I have of Drew. Respectfully, Kenneth Van Huss -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2011 7:39 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: [AccessD] 10 things I don't miss about Access I wonder what Drew would say. Susan H. -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From charlotte.foust at gmail.com Thu Oct 6 20:45:48 2011 From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust) Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2011 18:45:48 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] 10 things I don't miss about Access In-Reply-To: <11C1B61285C842CF916599C780A8EE25@SusanHarkins> References: <11C1B61285C842CF916599C780A8EE25@SusanHarkins> Message-ID: He'd probably wonder what took you so long! LOL Charlotte Foust On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 5:38 PM, Susan Harkins wrote: > < > http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/10things/10-things-i-dont-miss-about-access/2758?alertspromo=100907&tag=nl.rSINGLE > > > > > I wonder what Drew would say. > > Susan H. > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > From john at winhaven.net Thu Oct 6 21:08:25 2011 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2011 21:08:25 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Drew Wutka's Obituary page Message-ID: <01d401cc8495$ffb642b0$ff22c810$@winhaven.net> http://www.turrentinejacksonmorrow.com/detail.php?id=6177 From adtp at airtelmail.in Thu Oct 6 23:17:15 2011 From: adtp at airtelmail.in (A.D. Tejpal) Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2011 09:47:15 +0530 Subject: [AccessD] Drew Wutka memorial ideas References: <01b301cc83b5$741defe0$5c59cfa0$@winhaven.net><4E8D0519.8080301@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: This is a question that remains has eternally defied any logical answer: Why should some one so exceptionally gifted, in prime of his life, leave us all of a sudden - out of turn? While one has to come to terms with inevitability of life & death, losing a genius like Drew in this untimely manner, comes as a rude shock to us all. He happened to be approximately 35 years younger to me and I have not had the opportunity to meet him personally. Despite the fact that Drew worked on a different plane, with dazzling brilliance, he was ever more than willing to help. With him on board, there was always the re-assurance that if any programming problem became too intricate, Drew would find a way. It is so sad that God's special children are often granted only a short time in this world. A.D. Tejpal ------------ ----- Original Message ----- From: Arthur Fuller To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Sent: Friday, October 07, 2011 02:54 Subject: Re: [AccessD] Drew Wutka memorial ideas He taught me most of the stuff I know. I can't figure out why I am 10 years older and still alive. He was a very very very smart person. A. On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 11:28 AM, Mark A Matte wrote: > > I agree. Drew was also listed as "one of the giants of AccessD" in > Martin's book. > > Not sure his family knows that...but I think this is a good representation > of how he was viewed and appreciated by the list as a whole. > > Mark A. Matte > > > > Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2011 21:32:09 -0400 > > From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com > > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Drew Wutka memorial ideas > > > > I think they should be forwarded to the family. They might not know he > was "published". > > > > John W. Colby > > Colby Consulting > > > > On 10/5/2011 8:25 PM, Susan Harkins wrote: > > > I was trying to think if his mom would like my copies of the articles > we wrote -- some of them were > > > in print, in IMA and a few others. I thought about sending her the > actual journals. It seems kind of > > > silly, they won't really want to read them, but... do you think she'd > want them? He probably got a > > > copy, but if they find them, they probably won't realize what they're > dealing with -- will most > > > likely think they're just old technical journals and throw them out. On > the other hand, they might > > > not care -- I just don't know -- it's not like they're great literature > or anything, but I think... > > > if it were my son, I'd want them. I just don't know what to do. > > > > > > Susan H. > > > > > > > > >> One of the things that is especially helpful to children struggling > with > > >> grief is a memory book. Since our memories of Drew are "virtual", we > > >> couldn't contribute photos or such, but the archives must have many > threads > > >> that include the outrageous exchanges we had over the years with Drew > in > > >> there fanning the flames. I wonder if it would be possible to put > something > > >> together with snippets of his humor and insight and some typical > teasing > > >> that might serve to remind her as the years pass of the kind of person > her > > >> father was. Those could be put together in a scrapbook of sorts using > > >> online services and sent to Drew's family. We could even collaborate > with > > >> them in creating something like that that included photos and such > they > > >> would like to use to remember him and to preserve his memory. I we > covered > > >> the cost, that would be a great memorial, and we could provide copies > for > > >> each member of his family. From stephen at bondsoftware.co.nz Fri Oct 7 02:58:30 2011 From: stephen at bondsoftware.co.nz (Stephen Bond) Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2011 20:58:30 +1300 Subject: [AccessD] Drew Wutka - one more memory Message-ID: If you were new to something, Drew would take the time. I'll never forget a posting from Drew on 27 Nov 2003 (I still have it). The subject was 'OT - Getting started with Web development', in response to a request from Paul Hartland (it helped me too). Drew's response was 1975 words, full of cogent explanation and advice. The last paragraph began ' Phew, what an email. This was fun to write though. ' He took the time to help. This is the measure of the man. Stephen Bond From jimdettman at verizon.net Fri Oct 7 07:29:59 2011 From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman) Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2011 08:29:59 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] 10 things I don't miss about Access In-Reply-To: <11C1B61285C842CF916599C780A8EE25@SusanHarkins> References: <11C1B61285C842CF916599C780A8EE25@SusanHarkins> Message-ID: Nice piece Susan! Jim. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2011 08:39 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: [AccessD] 10 things I don't miss about Access I wonder what Drew would say. Susan H. -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From ssharkins at gmail.com Fri Oct 7 07:57:54 2011 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2011 08:57:54 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] 10 things I don't miss about Access References: <11C1B61285C842CF916599C780A8EE25@SusanHarkins> Message-ID: <80D0947BE2CC4668BD260EC60216D168@SusanHarkins> Thanks Jim... I appreciate that. I tried hard not to tweak any noses. :) Susan H. > > Nice piece Susan! > > Jim. > > > s/2758?alertspromo=100907&tag=nl.rSINGLE> > > I wonder what Drew would say. > > Susan H. From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Fri Oct 7 10:19:36 2011 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2011 11:19:36 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] 10 things I don't miss about Access In-Reply-To: <80D0947BE2CC4668BD260EC60216D168@SusanHarkins> References: <11C1B61285C842CF916599C780A8EE25@SusanHarkins> <80D0947BE2CC4668BD260EC60216D168@SusanHarkins> Message-ID: <4E8F1888.1060800@colbyconsulting.com> Except maybe those that need tweaking. Microsoft (for not fixing bugs), idiots (for idiotic unfounded opinions) etc. ;) John W. Colby Colby Consulting On 10/7/2011 8:57 AM, Susan Harkins wrote: > Thanks Jim... I appreciate that. I tried hard not to tweak any noses. :) > > Susan H. >> >> Nice piece Susan! >> >> Jim. >> >> >> > s/2758?alertspromo=100907&tag=nl.rSINGLE> >> >> I wonder what Drew would say. >> >> Susan H. > From BradM at blackforestltd.com Fri Oct 7 11:06:42 2011 From: BradM at blackforestltd.com (Brad Marks) Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2011 11:06:42 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Images (jpg files) on Access 2007 Report Detail Lines (Report View) References: <4E591854.8090208@colbyconsulting.com><6BAD4B05F0474F8083137B9C25B1038C@HAL9007><4E597AE8.6269.28B4FE51@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: All, Earlier I posted a question about Attachment fields. I was able to find an answer to my question and I have a test application that works Okay, but it seems a bit complicated for what I am trying to do. I thought that if I explained what I am trying to accomplish, maybe someone would have some insights or suggestions. I am pulling "Part" information from a SQL Server database into Access 2007 via ODBC. One of the fields in the Parts table is the location of an image of the Part. (for example C:\Part_Images\Part001.jpg). I want to be able to use an Access 2007 Report (in Report View) to display the appropriate .jpg file for each detail line on the report. I am able to accomplish this via the use of a "temporary" Access table that has an Attachment field for the images. This works, but I wonder if there is a better/simpler approach. I have experimented with placing an "Image" on the Report Detail lines, with hopes of changing the Images's "Picture" property on the fly for each detail line on the report. I cannot figure out how to do this. Perhaps Access 2007 does not allow this when using "Report View". I would guess that others may have run into similar situations and may have some advice. Thanks for your help, Brad From dnod at aol.com Fri Oct 7 11:29:33 2011 From: dnod at aol.com (Dean Davids) Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2011 12:29:33 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Images (jpg files) on Access 2007 Report Detail Lines (Report View) In-Reply-To: References: <4E591854.8090208@colbyconsulting.com> <6BAD4B05F0474F8083137B9C25B1038C@HAL9007> <4E597AE8.6269.28B4FE51@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: I did this sort of thing some years ago and it worked well exactly as you are saying. Update the image property on print, I believe. I had started with tables and bound images but that failed miserably as soon as the number of records became substantial. Everything I know of the process, I learned from AD TejPal (forgive me if I missed that spelling). If you look up his posts I would defer to his expertise. I think he even has some sample databases out on the Access reference sites that cover what you are trying to do. It has been a long time time and I am an infrequent Access developer these days so I can offer very little help from memory. If you don't get anywhere I will see if I can pull out my own examples and refresh my brain. Dean S. Davids On Oct 7, 2011, at 12:06 PM, "Brad Marks" wrote: > All, > > Earlier I posted a question about Attachment fields. I was able to find > an answer to my question and I have a test application that works Okay, > but it seems a bit complicated for what I am trying to do. > > I thought that if I explained what I am trying to accomplish, maybe > someone would have some insights or suggestions. > > I am pulling "Part" information from a SQL Server database into Access > 2007 via ODBC. One of the fields in the Parts table is the location of > an image of the Part. (for example C:\Part_Images\Part001.jpg). > > I want to be able to use an Access 2007 Report (in Report View) to > display the appropriate .jpg file for each detail line on the report. > > I am able to accomplish this via the use of a "temporary" Access table > that has an Attachment field for the images. This works, but I wonder > if there is a better/simpler approach. > > I have experimented with placing an "Image" on the Report Detail lines, > with hopes of changing the Images's "Picture" property on the fly for > each detail line on the report. I cannot figure out how to do this. > Perhaps Access 2007 does not allow this when using "Report View". > > I would guess that others may have run into similar situations and may > have some advice. > > Thanks for your help, > > Brad > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jimdettman at verizon.net Fri Oct 7 12:21:35 2011 From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman) Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2011 13:21:35 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] 10 things I don't miss about Access In-Reply-To: <4E8F1888.1060800@colbyconsulting.com> References: <11C1B61285C842CF916599C780A8EE25@SusanHarkins> <80D0947BE2CC4668BD260EC60216D168@SusanHarkins> <4E8F1888.1060800@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <0A1EAA4694B846FEA8C6D842D4A8F6FF@XPS> I'd 2nd the first. Drives me nuts that they put products out before their ready, fix some things, then for others say "upgrade to the latest release to get the fix", which has it's own new set of bugs. Ugh. If I wrote software like that and said that, my clients would shoot me. Jim. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: Friday, October 07, 2011 11:20 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] 10 things I don't miss about Access Except maybe those that need tweaking. Microsoft (for not fixing bugs), idiots (for idiotic unfounded opinions) etc. ;) John W. Colby Colby Consulting On 10/7/2011 8:57 AM, Susan Harkins wrote: > Thanks Jim... I appreciate that. I tried hard not to tweak any noses. :) > > Susan H. >> >> Nice piece Susan! >> >> Jim. >> >> >> > s/2758?alertspromo=100907&tag=nl.rSINGLE> >> >> I wonder what Drew would say. >> >> Susan H. > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From marksimms at verizon.net Fri Oct 7 13:00:18 2011 From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms) Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2011 14:00:18 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] 10 things I don't miss about Access In-Reply-To: <0A1EAA4694B846FEA8C6D842D4A8F6FF@XPS> References: <11C1B61285C842CF916599C780A8EE25@SusanHarkins> <80D0947BE2CC4668BD260EC60216D168@SusanHarkins> <4E8F1888.1060800@colbyconsulting.com> <0A1EAA4694B846FEA8C6D842D4A8F6FF@XPS> Message-ID: <005f01cc851a$f9b87100$ed295300$@net> Listen-up guys. Right now under Balmer's direction and control, Microsoft has got to be considered to be in a state of CHAOS. PERIOD.(or should that be an exclamation mark !) The cloud and the handheld platform initiatives are likely taking resources away from their other business segments....like Office, Sharepoint, Visual Studio, etc. IMHO of course. > I'd 2nd the first. Drives me nuts that they put products out before > their > ready, fix some things, then for others say "upgrade to the latest > release > to get the fix", which has it's own new set of bugs. Ugh. > > If I wrote software like that and said that, my clients would shoot > me. From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Fri Oct 7 13:59:33 2011 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Sat, 08 Oct 2011 04:59:33 +1000 Subject: [AccessD] Images (jpg files) on Access 2007 Report Detail Lines (Report View) In-Reply-To: References: <4E591854.8090208@colbyconsulting.com>, , Message-ID: <4E8F4C15.31859.D51965B@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> I do this quite regularly with a simple text field to store the filename ( usually, I keep the images in a standard directory, just store the filename and build the full path/filename as required.) Then I just use something like this in the report: : Private Sub Detail_Format(Cancel As Integer, FormatCount As Integer) If PhotoName > "" And Dir$(PhotoDir() & PhotoName) > "" Then imgPhoto.Picture = PhotosDir() & PhotoName Else imgPhoto.Picture = PhotosDir() & "noimage.jpg" End If End Sub > > On Oct 7, 2011, at 12:06 PM, "Brad Marks" > wrote: > > > All, > > > > Earlier I posted a question about Attachment fields. I was able to > > find an answer to my question and I have a test application that > > works Okay, but it seems a bit complicated for what I am trying to > > do. > > > > I thought that if I explained what I am trying to accomplish, maybe > > someone would have some insights or suggestions. > > > > I am pulling "Part" information from a SQL Server database into > > Access 2007 via ODBC. One of the fields in the Parts table is the > > location of an image of the Part. (for example > > C:\Part_Images\Part001.jpg). > > > > I want to be able to use an Access 2007 Report (in Report View) to > > display the appropriate .jpg file for each detail line on the > > report. > > > > I am able to accomplish this via the use of a "temporary" Access > > table that has an Attachment field for the images. This works, but > > I wonder if there is a better/simpler approach. > > > > I have experimented with placing an "Image" on the Report Detail > > lines, with hopes of changing the Images's "Picture" property on the > > fly for each detail line on the report. I cannot figure out how to > > do this. Perhaps Access 2007 does not allow this when using "Report > > View". > > > > I would guess that others may have run into similar situations and > > may have some advice. > > > > Thanks for your help, > > > > Brad > > > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From kismert at gmail.com Fri Oct 7 15:13:57 2011 From: kismert at gmail.com (Kenneth Ismert) Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2011 15:13:57 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] OT - John Colby - volunteer work with Prisons - Minnesota Public Radio program Message-ID: I rarely make OT comments, but here's the exception: I see a lot of similarity between political belief and religious belief. Virtually all of us today were told of the political or religious framework we adhere to. Even those who seek almost never invent a novel set of beliefs, but simply pick from available alternatives. We choose our belief systems for reasons that have very little to to with logic, and everything to do with emotion. Proof of this is that our tenets rarely hold up to unbiased, scientific scrutiny. If a particular belief was provably correct, shouldn't it be universally accepted, like the laws of gravitation, or the Pythagorean theorem? And yet, problematic as they are, our beliefs are very real to us, perhaps more real than any other aspect of our existence. So, we find ourselves today in this setting of global competing passed-down dogmas, that are fiercely believed in and passionately championed, in spite of scarce proof. In the old days, the obvious and often-used resolution to these conflicts was to kill or imprison the others, the infidels, the political apostates. For all their problems, frailties, and pitfalls, there is one thing that can be unequivocally said about modern, religion-neutral democracies: the streets are almost entirely free of bloodshed when power changes hands or religious movements gain ground, and the prisons are remarkably free of political and religious prisoners. So, before we give up, and condemn our current systems to the dust bin, let us consider the achievements of our more enlightened societies and their political systems. We have difficulties because these systems are imperfect. But anyone who suggests, or implies, that we should revert to the political systems of old has forgotten what truly horrible things those historical regimes could be. The only real way forward is to invent new structures that address our current grievances, while embedding even more deeply respect for our differences, based on a more solid, fundamental and complete understanding of who we are as as species. That is the current belief I irrationally and emotionally adhere to. -Ken ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: jwcolby > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving < > accessd at databaseadvisors.com> > Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2011 10:36:41 -0400 > Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT - John Colby - volunteer work with Prisons - > Minnesota Public Radio program > Dan, > > Sadly politics is broken, not just in the US but around the world. > > I did an 8 month training, one full weekend a month to learn to be an > advocate for people with disabilities. My daughter Allie has many > disabilities caused by a genetic duplication. One of the weekends was > dedicated to educating us on the political system, what special interests > means, lobbying and so forth. > > Elections are won with advertising, advertising costs money, and companies > (mostly) have money. But in the end it all comes down to people. Everyone > believes what they believe, are (have been) convinced of the "truth" of > their belief system. > > Republicans really do believe that government has no business being in the > "help" business, that it is the job of the people to help each other. > Democrats believe the opposite. People have become jaded and believe that > nobody cares any more and so stop caring themselves. > > Ignoring the names of the political parties, this is not an American > problem it is a world problem, which occurs any time there are so many > people that we no longer know our neighbors. I don't mean "know their face" > I mean "get to know" our neighbors. > > What we were shown in that weekend is that the primary job of a politician > is to get re-elected. The politician him/herself has a belief system but > unless (s)he can get (re)elected (s)he cannot implement the belief system. > Once elected, there are so many conflicting interests that (s)he cannot > really function effectively. > > The system truly is broken, and probably always has been. > > The only hope for mankind is for us to realize that we all stand together > or we all fall alone. People have to individually make an effort to help > others less fortunate than ourselves. Which is a lot of work, and there is > a college football game on... and after that is Dancing with the Stars... > and besides, what difference can I really make? > > :) > > > John W. Colby > Colby Consulting > > On 10/4/2011 5:17 PM, Dan Waters wrote: > >> John- some of this will change in the next election. Unfortunately, too >> many people need to learn things the hard way. And learning that voting >> carefully, not emotionally, is actually important. Politics is not a >> reality TV show - it's real people really getting hurt. >> >> Dan >> > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Arthur Fuller > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving < > accessd at databaseadvisors.com> > Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2011 11:10:51 -0400 > Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT - John Colby - volunteer work with Prisons - > Minnesota Public Radio program > I think that you are onto something here, JWC. And I am seriously unsure of > the consequences that I draw, but here they are: > > 1. Political parties of whatever stripe are by definition attacks on > popular > opinion. I don't see any other way to see this. Let us for example take a > hypothetical voter who is against abortion and also against religious > instruction in public schools. No party represents this theoretical person. > The inevitable result is that I choose the party that shares the most > number > of values and propositions with me, and that SUCKS. > > Tomorrow is Election Day in Ontario, and various polls indicate that either > the Libs or the Cons are slated to have a minority win, and in either case > that means that my party, the NDP, is going to hold the balance of power. > > On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 10:36 AM, jwcolby >wrote: > > From df.waters at comcast.net Fri Oct 7 16:04:33 2011 From: df.waters at comcast.net (Dan Waters) Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2011 16:04:33 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] OT - John Colby - volunteer work with Prisons - Minnesota Public Radio program In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <002d01cc8534$b6ba2d70$242e8850$@comcast.net> John - Nice Writeup! Our system is actually pretty good now, although I think that we really do need to go to public financing only for elected officials. With public financing, the only people our elected officials will be interested in is the people who vote for them, because there won't be anyone (or any corporation) funding their reelection campaigns. Our current Republicans, in the House, and in my Minnesota Legislature, seem to be beholden to a few very wealthy interests, and the US won't last too long if that continues to be the model of our government. Luckily in MN we elected a Democratic governor (by only 9000 votes), so the worst of what they wanted to do was avoided. Thanks! Dan PS - I believe that God (may have) created the universe. And since then he has not interfered. (I know - it's safe. But I'm sticking with it!) -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kenneth Ismert Sent: Friday, October 07, 2011 3:14 PM To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT - John Colby - volunteer work with Prisons - Minnesota Public Radio program I rarely make OT comments, but here's the exception: I see a lot of similarity between political belief and religious belief. Virtually all of us today were told of the political or religious framework we adhere to. Even those who seek almost never invent a novel set of beliefs, but simply pick from available alternatives. We choose our belief systems for reasons that have very little to to with logic, and everything to do with emotion. Proof of this is that our tenets rarely hold up to unbiased, scientific scrutiny. If a particular belief was provably correct, shouldn't it be universally accepted, like the laws of gravitation, or the Pythagorean theorem? And yet, problematic as they are, our beliefs are very real to us, perhaps more real than any other aspect of our existence. So, we find ourselves today in this setting of global competing passed-down dogmas, that are fiercely believed in and passionately championed, in spite of scarce proof. In the old days, the obvious and often-used resolution to these conflicts was to kill or imprison the others, the infidels, the political apostates. For all their problems, frailties, and pitfalls, there is one thing that can be unequivocally said about modern, religion-neutral democracies: the streets are almost entirely free of bloodshed when power changes hands or religious movements gain ground, and the prisons are remarkably free of political and religious prisoners. So, before we give up, and condemn our current systems to the dust bin, let us consider the achievements of our more enlightened societies and their political systems. We have difficulties because these systems are imperfect. But anyone who suggests, or implies, that we should revert to the political systems of old has forgotten what truly horrible things those historical regimes could be. The only real way forward is to invent new structures that address our current grievances, while embedding even more deeply respect for our differences, based on a more solid, fundamental and complete understanding of who we are as as species. That is the current belief I irrationally and emotionally adhere to. -Ken ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: jwcolby > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving < > accessd at databaseadvisors.com> > Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2011 10:36:41 -0400 > Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT - John Colby - volunteer work with Prisons - > Minnesota Public Radio program Dan, > > Sadly politics is broken, not just in the US but around the world. > > I did an 8 month training, one full weekend a month to learn to be an > advocate for people with disabilities. My daughter Allie has many > disabilities caused by a genetic duplication. One of the weekends was > dedicated to educating us on the political system, what special > interests means, lobbying and so forth. > > Elections are won with advertising, advertising costs money, and > companies > (mostly) have money. But in the end it all comes down to people. > Everyone believes what they believe, are (have been) convinced of the > "truth" of their belief system. > > Republicans really do believe that government has no business being in > the "help" business, that it is the job of the people to help each other. > Democrats believe the opposite. People have become jaded and believe > that nobody cares any more and so stop caring themselves. > > Ignoring the names of the political parties, this is not an American > problem it is a world problem, which occurs any time there are so many > people that we no longer know our neighbors. I don't mean "know their face" > I mean "get to know" our neighbors. > > What we were shown in that weekend is that the primary job of a > politician is to get re-elected. The politician him/herself has a > belief system but unless (s)he can get (re)elected (s)he cannot implement the belief system. > Once elected, there are so many conflicting interests that (s)he > cannot really function effectively. > > The system truly is broken, and probably always has been. > > The only hope for mankind is for us to realize that we all stand > together or we all fall alone. People have to individually make an > effort to help others less fortunate than ourselves. Which is a lot > of work, and there is a college football game on... and after that is Dancing with the Stars... > and besides, what difference can I really make? > > :) > > > John W. Colby > Colby Consulting > > On 10/4/2011 5:17 PM, Dan Waters wrote: > >> John- some of this will change in the next election. Unfortunately, >> too many people need to learn things the hard way. And learning that >> voting carefully, not emotionally, is actually important. Politics >> is not a reality TV show - it's real people really getting hurt. >> >> Dan >> > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Arthur Fuller > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving < > accessd at databaseadvisors.com> > Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2011 11:10:51 -0400 > Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT - John Colby - volunteer work with Prisons - > Minnesota Public Radio program I think that you are onto something > here, JWC. And I am seriously unsure of the consequences that I draw, > but here they are: > > 1. Political parties of whatever stripe are by definition attacks on > popular opinion. I don't see any other way to see this. Let us for > example take a hypothetical voter who is against abortion and also > against religious instruction in public schools. No party represents > this theoretical person. > The inevitable result is that I choose the party that shares the most > number of values and propositions with me, and that SUCKS. > > Tomorrow is Election Day in Ontario, and various polls indicate that > either the Libs or the Cons are slated to have a minority win, and in > either case that means that my party, the NDP, is going to hold the balance of power. > > On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 10:36 AM, jwcolby >wrote: > > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Fri Oct 7 16:10:25 2011 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2011 14:10:25 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] The Puzzle of Pancreatic Cancer: How Steve Jobs Did Not Beat the Odds--but Nobel Winner Ralph Steinman Did Message-ID: <30464E6BB70D47E4ADB7CB9AD4B82CF7@HAL9007> http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=pancreatic-cancer-type-jobs &WT.mc_id=SA_CAT_BS_20111007 Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software 858-259-4334 www.bchacc.com www.e-z-mrp.com From gustav at cactus.dk Fri Oct 7 16:47:10 2011 From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2011 23:47:10 +0200 Subject: [AccessD] 10 things I don't miss about Access Message-ID: Hi Susan You failed! Go to the bottom here ... but you have been warned: http://www.experts-exchange.com/Microsoft/Development/MS_Access/Q_27290867.html#a36933671 /gustav >>> ssharkins at gmail.com 07-10-2011 14:57 >>> Thanks Jim... I appreciate that. I tried hard not to tweak any noses. :) From ssharkins at gmail.com Fri Oct 7 16:57:23 2011 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2011 17:57:23 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] 10 things I don't miss about Access References: Message-ID: What am I looking for? Susan H. > Hi Susan > > You failed! > Go to the bottom here ... but you have been warned: > > http://www.experts-exchange.com/Microsoft/Development/MS_Access/Q_27290867.html#a36933671 > > /gustav > >>>> ssharkins at gmail.com 07-10-2011 14:57 >>> > Thanks Jim... I appreciate that. I tried hard not to tweak any noses. :) From jimdettman at verizon.net Fri Oct 7 17:42:28 2011 From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman) Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2011 18:42:28 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] 10 things I don't miss about Access In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1151AFBB-05CD-479D-8E94-EBC3B7AF7962@verizon.net> Gustav If you would, please post a link using the share feature at the top of the question That will allow everyone to read the thread with logged in view if they want to look. I'd do it but I am on mobile and you don't get the share option with that view. If you don't do it, I'll post latter when I get home Thanks Jim Sent from my iPhone On Oct 7, 2011, at 5:57 PM, "Susan Harkins" wrote: > What am I looking for? > > Susan H. > > >> Hi Susan >> >> You failed! >> Go to the bottom here ... but you have been warned: >> >> http://www.experts-exchange.com/Microsoft/Development/MS_Access/Q_27290867.html#a36933671 >> >> /gustav >> >>>>> ssharkins at gmail.com 07-10-2011 14:57 >>> >> Thanks Jim... I appreciate that. I tried hard not to tweak any noses. :) > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Fri Oct 7 18:09:16 2011 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2011 16:09:16 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] 10 things I don't miss about Access In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: What's it say - not a subscriber so I can't see it. Rocky -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: Friday, October 07, 2011 2:47 PM To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [AccessD] 10 things I don't miss about Access Hi Susan You failed! Go to the bottom here ... but you have been warned: http://www.experts-exchange.com/Microsoft/Development/MS_Access/Q_27290867.h tml#a36933671 /gustav >>> ssharkins at gmail.com 07-10-2011 14:57 >>> Thanks Jim... I appreciate that. I tried hard not to tweak any noses. :) -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jimdettman at verizon.net Fri Oct 7 18:18:56 2011 From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman) Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2011 19:18:56 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] 10 things I don't miss about Access In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Rocky, I'll post a link a little latter that will allow you and everyone else to read it without a sign-up. Jim Sent from my iPhone On Oct 7, 2011, at 7:09 PM, "Rocky Smolin" wrote: > What's it say - not a subscriber so I can't see it. > > Rocky > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock > Sent: Friday, October 07, 2011 2:47 PM > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com > Subject: Re: [AccessD] 10 things I don't miss about Access > > Hi Susan > > You failed! > Go to the bottom here ... but you have been warned: > > http://www.experts-exchange.com/Microsoft/Development/MS_Access/Q_27290867.h > tml#a36933671 > > /gustav > >>>> ssharkins at gmail.com 07-10-2011 14:57 >>> > Thanks Jim... I appreciate that. I tried hard not to tweak any noses. :) > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From ab-mi at post3.tele.dk Sat Oct 8 07:37:48 2011 From: ab-mi at post3.tele.dk (Asger Blond) Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2011 14:37:48 +0200 Subject: [AccessD] OT - John Colby - volunteer work with Prisons - Minnesota Public Radio program In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <01018F7E24CF49339BA54E4B38BC877F@abpc> Wise words - as are Winston Churchill's: "Many forms of Government have been tried, and will be tried in this world of sin and woe. No one pretends that democracy is perfect or all-wise. Indeed it has been said that democracy is the worst form of Government except for all those other forms that have been tried from time to time." Asger -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Kenneth Ismert Sendt: 7. oktober 2011 22:14 Til: accessd at databaseadvisors.com Emne: Re: [AccessD] OT - John Colby - volunteer work with Prisons - Minnesota Public Radio program I rarely make OT comments, but here's the exception: I see a lot of similarity between political belief and religious belief. Virtually all of us today were told of the political or religious framework we adhere to. Even those who seek almost never invent a novel set of beliefs, but simply pick from available alternatives. We choose our belief systems for reasons that have very little to to with logic, and everything to do with emotion. Proof of this is that our tenets rarely hold up to unbiased, scientific scrutiny. If a particular belief was provably correct, shouldn't it be universally accepted, like the laws of gravitation, or the Pythagorean theorem? And yet, problematic as they are, our beliefs are very real to us, perhaps more real than any other aspect of our existence. So, we find ourselves today in this setting of global competing passed-down dogmas, that are fiercely believed in and passionately championed, in spite of scarce proof. In the old days, the obvious and often-used resolution to these conflicts was to kill or imprison the others, the infidels, the political apostates. For all their problems, frailties, and pitfalls, there is one thing that can be unequivocally said about modern, religion-neutral democracies: the streets are almost entirely free of bloodshed when power changes hands or religious movements gain ground, and the prisons are remarkably free of political and religious prisoners. So, before we give up, and condemn our current systems to the dust bin, let us consider the achievements of our more enlightened societies and their political systems. We have difficulties because these systems are imperfect. But anyone who suggests, or implies, that we should revert to the political systems of old has forgotten what truly horrible things those historical regimes could be. The only real way forward is to invent new structures that address our current grievances, while embedding even more deeply respect for our differences, based on a more solid, fundamental and complete understanding of who we are as as species. That is the current belief I irrationally and emotionally adhere to. -Ken ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: jwcolby > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving < > accessd at databaseadvisors.com> > Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2011 10:36:41 -0400 > Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT - John Colby - volunteer work with Prisons - > Minnesota Public Radio program > Dan, > > Sadly politics is broken, not just in the US but around the world. > > I did an 8 month training, one full weekend a month to learn to be an > advocate for people with disabilities. My daughter Allie has many > disabilities caused by a genetic duplication. One of the weekends was > dedicated to educating us on the political system, what special interests > means, lobbying and so forth. > > Elections are won with advertising, advertising costs money, and companies > (mostly) have money. But in the end it all comes down to people. Everyone > believes what they believe, are (have been) convinced of the "truth" of > their belief system. > > Republicans really do believe that government has no business being in the > "help" business, that it is the job of the people to help each other. > Democrats believe the opposite. People have become jaded and believe that > nobody cares any more and so stop caring themselves. > > Ignoring the names of the political parties, this is not an American > problem it is a world problem, which occurs any time there are so many > people that we no longer know our neighbors. I don't mean "know their face" > I mean "get to know" our neighbors. > > What we were shown in that weekend is that the primary job of a politician > is to get re-elected. The politician him/herself has a belief system but > unless (s)he can get (re)elected (s)he cannot implement the belief system. > Once elected, there are so many conflicting interests that (s)he cannot > really function effectively. > > The system truly is broken, and probably always has been. > > The only hope for mankind is for us to realize that we all stand together > or we all fall alone. People have to individually make an effort to help > others less fortunate than ourselves. Which is a lot of work, and there is > a college football game on... and after that is Dancing with the Stars... > and besides, what difference can I really make? > > :) > > > John W. Colby > Colby Consulting > > On 10/4/2011 5:17 PM, Dan Waters wrote: > >> John- some of this will change in the next election. Unfortunately, too >> many people need to learn things the hard way. And learning that voting >> carefully, not emotionally, is actually important. Politics is not a >> reality TV show - it's real people really getting hurt. >> >> Dan >> > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Arthur Fuller > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving < > accessd at databaseadvisors.com> > Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2011 11:10:51 -0400 > Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT - John Colby - volunteer work with Prisons - > Minnesota Public Radio program > I think that you are onto something here, JWC. And I am seriously unsure of > the consequences that I draw, but here they are: > > 1. Political parties of whatever stripe are by definition attacks on > popular > opinion. I don't see any other way to see this. Let us for example take a > hypothetical voter who is against abortion and also against religious > instruction in public schools. No party represents this theoretical person. > The inevitable result is that I choose the party that shares the most > number > of values and propositions with me, and that SUCKS. > > Tomorrow is Election Day in Ontario, and various polls indicate that either > the Libs or the Cons are slated to have a minority win, and in either case > that means that my party, the NDP, is going to hold the balance of power. > > On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 10:36 AM, jwcolby >wrote: > > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jimdettman at verizon.net Sat Oct 8 08:12:59 2011 From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman) Date: Sat, 08 Oct 2011 09:12:59 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] 10 things I don't miss about Access In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: OK, for those interested, here's the link that will give you a logged in view of the EE thread that gustav mentioned: http://rdsrc.us/lIghoA Comments on Susan's article are the last fifteen or so comments at the bottom of the thread (about 2/3'rds of the way down - first comment was posted 10/7 at 4:29 pm). This is a continually running thread we have in the Access Zone, so there is a lot of stuff in the beginning that doesn't apply. Jim. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman Sent: Friday, October 07, 2011 07:19 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] 10 things I don't miss about Access Rocky, I'll post a link a little latter that will allow you and everyone else to read it without a sign-up. Jim Sent from my iPhone On Oct 7, 2011, at 7:09 PM, "Rocky Smolin" wrote: > What's it say - not a subscriber so I can't see it. > > Rocky > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock > Sent: Friday, October 07, 2011 2:47 PM > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com > Subject: Re: [AccessD] 10 things I don't miss about Access > > Hi Susan > > You failed! > Go to the bottom here ... but you have been warned: > > http://www.experts-exchange.com/Microsoft/Development/MS_Access/Q_27290867.h > tml#a36933671 > > /gustav > >>>> ssharkins at gmail.com 07-10-2011 14:57 >>> > Thanks Jim... I appreciate that. I tried hard not to tweak any noses. :) > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From ssharkins at gmail.com Sat Oct 8 09:38:08 2011 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2011 10:38:08 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] 10 things I don't miss about Access References: Message-ID: Wow... I'm always surprised when someone takes such a 180% turn of what I've written. It's like they don't really read what I've written at all. They don't agree with a specific point or they read the headings. Thanks to you and Gustav for championing my true intent. I appreciate that. FWIW, the people that fuss the loudest about my opinions, seem to have much stronger ones than mine. I always find that... interesting. And of course, after they trash you, sometimes personally, they get even madder because you don't say, "Oh my, you're so right, thank you for saving me from my folly!" I love Access, always have. I'm sorry to see MS taking it in the direction they have, but even so, I can still admit Access' short-comings. I think that's just being realistic and frankly, you need to do that in order to give your clients/users the best of what they really need. I love Access, but I'm not a junkie. :) Susan H. > > OK, for those interested, here's the link that will give you a logged in > view of the EE thread that gustav mentioned: > > http://rdsrc.us/lIghoA > > Comments on Susan's article are the last fifteen or so comments at the > bottom of the thread (about 2/3'rds of the way down - first comment was > posted 10/7 at 4:29 pm). > > This is a continually running thread we have in the Access Zone, so there > is a lot of stuff in the beginning that doesn't apply. From jimdettman at verizon.net Sat Oct 8 11:37:30 2011 From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman) Date: Sat, 08 Oct 2011 12:37:30 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] 10 things I don't miss about Access In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <584522BE54DB429788CFBDFD3D1D6073@XPS> Susan, Yes, I was surprised myself. First question I asked was; didn't they read it? Personally I think you hit it right on and they missed the point (and intent) entirely. The points you made were all ones that Access developers have lived with over the years. And FWIW, I KNOW they all have had to deal with the same issues(except for maybe Mark, who posted that first comment), which is why I don't understand some of those comments. And I do think your right; Microsoft is sliding Access towards the end-user end of the scale. We here all know it's much more then that, but it always has been marketed as an end-user tool and Microsoft seems to be focusing on that once again. Last couple of releases have been focused on simplifying things and adding end-user features rather then anything for developers. And long standing developer problems are simply not being addressed. What I see happening is Microsoft moving away from VBA for all of Office. Access developers will be either pushed into VS or Lightswitch, which will become Microsoft's light weight/RAD app development tool. Access may or may not remain in Office, but if it does, I think it will become a much simpler product. And before everyone gets up in arms about the "light weight" comment above, I do understand that you can do a wide range of things with Access and I do love it for that. But it does have some serious limitations. Access developers have been ingenious over the years in working around a lot of those limitations (i.e. lack of third party controls), but it has two serious problems that nothing can be done about; corruption and sensitivity to its environment. The latter is more of a reference to VBA and references, but how many of us have dealt with app install issues with either the full or run-time version? Or multiple versions on the same machine? If I asked those questions in a room full of developers, I bet you just about every hand would be raised. Personally I've been looking to move away from Access for quite some time as I am tired of dealing with the environment problems and the eye rolling every time I mention it. But I made the mistake of focusing on VFP. While it was more work then Access, it was also a lot more on the "developer" end of the scale. There was not much that you couldn't do with it. It was no where near as user friendly though. Just about everything was done from the command window. In fact I got laughed at a bit when I complained that I couldn't get the query designer to do a simple two table join right. The response was "no serious developer uses that". My only come back was "Why is it called VISUAL VFP then?" Got a lot of grumbles after that But the data environment alone when working with forms is something Access developers would kill for. Add to that the ability to compile into a true .EXE, work with just about any 3rd party control, build COM objects or DLL's, having unit testing capability, and being able to do n-tier designs, and it made it quite attractive. Microsoft unfortunately killed it just as I was coming up to speed with it, so I was back to square one looking for the next best thing. I keep trying to get into VS, but I keep getting pulled back into Access. I guess I should be thankful I'm still working and for all those users that do get in over their heads. Jim. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins Sent: Saturday, October 08, 2011 10:38 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] 10 things I don't miss about Access Wow... I'm always surprised when someone takes such a 180% turn of what I've written. It's like they don't really read what I've written at all. They don't agree with a specific point or they read the headings. Thanks to you and Gustav for championing my true intent. I appreciate that. FWIW, the people that fuss the loudest about my opinions, seem to have much stronger ones than mine. I always find that... interesting. And of course, after they trash you, sometimes personally, they get even madder because you don't say, "Oh my, you're so right, thank you for saving me from my folly!" I love Access, always have. I'm sorry to see MS taking it in the direction they have, but even so, I can still admit Access' short-comings. I think that's just being realistic and frankly, you need to do that in order to give your clients/users the best of what they really need. I love Access, but I'm not a junkie. :) Susan H. > > OK, for those interested, here's the link that will give you a logged in > view of the EE thread that gustav mentioned: > > http://rdsrc.us/lIghoA > > Comments on Susan's article are the last fifteen or so comments at the > bottom of the thread (about 2/3'rds of the way down - first comment was > posted 10/7 at 4:29 pm). > > This is a continually running thread we have in the Access Zone, so there > is a lot of stuff in the beginning that doesn't apply. -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Sat Oct 8 11:51:20 2011 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Sat, 08 Oct 2011 12:51:20 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] 10 things I don't miss about Access In-Reply-To: <584522BE54DB429788CFBDFD3D1D6073@XPS> References: <584522BE54DB429788CFBDFD3D1D6073@XPS> Message-ID: <4E907F88.6040905@colbyconsulting.com> >but it has two serious problems that nothing can be done about; corruption and sensitivity to its environment. Add another serious limitation, single threaded operation. And for programmers, lack of any kind of inheritance. I tried to build a sql server driver application in Access and failed miserably, and I have about as good a grasp of VBA as you will find. SQL Server would go out and do something for 15 minutes and the Access interface just locked up. SQL Server can do one or a hundred things simultaneously, but Access can only cause it to do one thing at a time, because Access only has one thread. I switched to C# and voila, I have a manager and three supervisors (4 threads) running asynchronous tasks simultaneously. SQL Server is doing BCP out and BCP in simultaneously and a supervisor is shoveling the files out to a VM for third party processing and pulling result files back in when that app is finished with a file. All with three separate status panes announcing progress to the user (me). Updating SQL Server supervisor and process flags to log the state of the process. C# is in another league entirely in terms of raw ability. John W. Colby Colby Consulting On 10/8/2011 12:37 PM, Jim Dettman wrote: > Susan, > > Yes, I was surprised myself. First question I asked was; didn't they read > it? Personally I think you hit it right on and they missed the point (and > intent) entirely. > > The points you made were all ones that Access developers have lived with > over the years. And FWIW, I KNOW they all have had to deal with the same > issues(except for maybe Mark, who posted that first comment), which is why I > don't understand some of those comments. > > And I do think your right; Microsoft is sliding Access towards the end-user > end of the scale. We here all know it's much more then that, but it always > has been marketed as an end-user tool and Microsoft seems to be focusing on > that once again. Last couple of releases have been focused on simplifying > things and adding end-user features rather then anything for developers. > And long standing developer problems are simply not being addressed. > > What I see happening is Microsoft moving away from VBA for all of Office. > Access developers will be either pushed into VS or Lightswitch, which will > become Microsoft's light weight/RAD app development tool. Access may or may > not remain in Office, but if it does, I think it will become a much simpler > product. > > And before everyone gets up in arms about the "light weight" comment above, > I do understand that you can do a wide range of things with Access and I do > love it for that. But it does have some serious limitations. Access > developers have been ingenious over the years in working around a lot of > those limitations (i.e. lack of third party controls), but it has two > serious problems that nothing can be done about; corruption and sensitivity > to its environment. The latter is more of a reference to VBA and > references, but how many of us have dealt with app install issues with > either the full or run-time version? Or multiple versions on the same > machine? If I asked those questions in a room full of developers, I bet you > just about every hand would be raised. > > Personally I've been looking to move away from Access for quite some time > as I am tired of dealing with the environment problems and the eye rolling > every time I mention it. But I made the mistake of focusing on VFP. While > it was more work then Access, it was also a lot more on the "developer" end > of the scale. There was not much that you couldn't do with it. It was no > where near as user friendly though. Just about everything was done from the > command window. In fact I got laughed at a bit when I complained that I > couldn't get the query designer to do a simple two table join right. The > response was "no serious developer uses that". My only come back was "Why > is it called VISUAL VFP then?" Got a lot of grumbles after that > > But the data environment alone when working with forms is something Access > developers would kill for. Add to that the ability to compile into a true > .EXE, work with just about any 3rd party control, build COM objects or > DLL's, having unit testing capability, and being able to do n-tier designs, > and it made it quite attractive. Microsoft unfortunately killed it just as > I was coming up to speed with it, so I was back to square one looking for > the next best thing. I keep trying to get into VS, but I keep getting > pulled back into Access. > > I guess I should be thankful I'm still working and for all those users > that do get in over their heads. > > Jim. From ssharkins at gmail.com Sat Oct 8 12:32:17 2011 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2011 13:32:17 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] 10 things I don't miss about Access References: <584522BE54DB429788CFBDFD3D1D6073@XPS> Message-ID: <627C21E726D54A59AD773CEE5025CCEF@SusanHarkins> Jim, you must have been reading my diary again. :) Susan H. > > And I do think your right; Microsoft is sliding Access towards the > end-user > end of the scale. We here all know it's much more then that, but it > always > has been marketed as an end-user tool and Microsoft seems to be focusing > on > that once again. Last couple of releases have been focused on simplifying > things and adding end-user features rather then anything for developers. > And long standing developer problems are simply not being addressed. > > What I see happening is Microsoft moving away from VBA for all of Office. > Access developers will be either pushed into VS or Lightswitch, which will > become Microsoft's light weight/RAD app development tool. Access may or > may > not remain in Office, but if it does, I think it will become a much > simpler > product. > > And before everyone gets up in arms about the "light weight" comment > above, > I do understand that you can do a wide range of things with Access and I > do > love it for that. But it does have some serious limitations. Access > developers have been ingenious over the years in working around a lot of > those limitations (i.e. lack of third party controls), but it has two > serious problems that nothing can be done about; corruption and > sensitivity > to its environment. The latter is more of a reference to VBA and > references, but how many of us have dealt with app install issues with > either the full or run-time version? Or multiple versions on the same > machine? If I asked those questions in a room full of developers, I bet > you > just about every hand would be raised. From BradM at blackforestltd.com Sat Oct 8 13:40:42 2011 From: BradM at blackforestltd.com (Brad Marks) Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2011 13:40:42 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Images (jpg files) on Access 2007 Report Detail Lines(Report View) References: <4E591854.8090208@colbyconsulting.com>, , <4E8F4C15.31859.D51965B@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: Stuart, Thanks for the help, I appreciate it. I put together a little test Access 2007 application and employed your ideas on how to place images (.jpg) files on Report Detail lines. This approach worked nicely when I opened the report with ?acViewPreview?. However, when I opened the report with ?acViewReport?, it appears that the Report?s Detail Line ?On Format? Event is not fired and therefore I am not able to change the ?Picture? property of the image to plug in the name of the desired jpg file. The other reports in the application that I am working on use acViewReport so that the users can have drill-downs, dynamic sorts, and dynamic filters. I would therefore like to stay with acViewReport if possible. Thanks again for the help. I am beginning to think that I might be trying to do something that is not easy to accomplish with acViewReport (Report View). Brad -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com on behalf of Stuart McLachlan Sent: Fri 10/7/2011 1:59 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Images (jpg files) on Access 2007 Report Detail Lines(Report View) I do this quite regularly with a simple text field to store the filename ( usually, I keep the images in a standard directory, just store the filename and build the full path/filename as required.) Then I just use something like this in the report: : Private Sub Detail_Format(Cancel As Integer, FormatCount As Integer) If PhotoName > "" And Dir$(PhotoDir() & PhotoName) > "" Then imgPhoto.Picture = PhotosDir() & PhotoName Else imgPhoto.Picture = PhotosDir() & "noimage.jpg" End If End Sub > > On Oct 7, 2011, at 12:06 PM, "Brad Marks" > wrote: > > > All, > > > > Earlier I posted a question about Attachment fields. I was able to > > find an answer to my question and I have a test application that > > works Okay, but it seems a bit complicated for what I am trying to > > do. > > > > I thought that if I explained what I am trying to accomplish, maybe > > someone would have some insights or suggestions. > > > > I am pulling "Part" information from a SQL Server database into > > Access 2007 via ODBC. One of the fields in the Parts table is the > > location of an image of the Part. (for example > > C:\Part_Images\Part001.jpg). > > > > I want to be able to use an Access 2007 Report (in Report View) to > > display the appropriate .jpg file for each detail line on the > > report. > > > > I am able to accomplish this via the use of a "temporary" Access > > table that has an Attachment field for the images. This works, but > > I wonder if there is a better/simpler approach. > > > > I have experimented with placing an "Image" on the Report Detail > > lines, with hopes of changing the Images's "Picture" property on the > > fly for each detail line on the report. I cannot figure out how to > > do this. Perhaps Access 2007 does not allow this when using "Report > > View". > > > > I would guess that others may have run into similar situations and > > may have some advice. > > > > Thanks for your help, > > > > Brad > > > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. From rbgajewski at roadrunner.com Sat Oct 8 16:36:46 2011 From: rbgajewski at roadrunner.com (Bob Gajewski) Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2011 17:36:46 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Images (jpg files) on Access 2007 Report DetailLines(Report View) In-Reply-To: References: <4E591854.8090208@colbyconsulting.com>, , <4E8F4C15.31859.D51965B@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <80F4728D638C4A689EECE904399EEF19@7B440585K> Hi Brad Here is some given to me by Gustav many moons ago .. And it has worked flawlessly ... Regards, Bob Gajewski Private Sub Detail_Format(Cancel As Integer, FormatCount As Integer) '******************** Code Begin **************** 'Code courtesy of Terry Kreft & Ken Getz '(modified from Function to Subroutine) Dim strDBName As String Dim strDBPath As String Dim strDBFile As String strDBName = CurrentDb.Name strDBFile = Dir(strDBName) strDBPath = Left(strDBName, Len(strDBName) - Len(strDBFile)) '******************** Code End ****************** '******************** Code Begin **************** 'Code courtesy of David McAfee and Gustav Brock '(modified for database specifics) Dim strPicture As String Dim strIsPicture As String Dim strNoPicture As String strIsPicture = strDBPath & "photos\mbr" & Format([MemberNumber], "000") & ".jpg" strNoPicture = strDBPath & "photos\nophoto.jpg" If Len(Dir(strIsPicture, vbNormal)) > 0 Then strPicture = strIsPicture Else strPicture = strNoPicture End If Me!imgMemberPhoto.Picture = strPicture '******************** Code End ****************** -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brad Marks Sent: Saturday, October 08, 2011 14:41 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Images (jpg files) on Access 2007 Report DetailLines(Report View) Stuart, Thanks for the help, I appreciate it. I put together a little test Access 2007 application and employed your ideas on how to place images (.jpg) files on Report Detail lines. This approach worked nicely when I opened the report with "acViewPreview". However, when I opened the report with "acViewReport", it appears that the Report's Detail Line "On Format" Event is not fired and therefore I am not able to change the "Picture" property of the image to plug in the name of the desired jpg file. The other reports in the application that I am working on use acViewReport so that the users can have drill-downs, dynamic sorts, and dynamic filters. I would therefore like to stay with acViewReport if possible. Thanks again for the help. I am beginning to think that I might be trying to do something that is not easy to accomplish with acViewReport (Report View). Brad -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com on behalf of Stuart McLachlan Sent: Fri 10/7/2011 1:59 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Images (jpg files) on Access 2007 Report Detail Lines(Report View) I do this quite regularly with a simple text field to store the filename ( usually, I keep the images in a standard directory, just store the filename and build the full path/filename as required.) Then I just use something like this in the report: : Private Sub Detail_Format(Cancel As Integer, FormatCount As Integer) If PhotoName > "" And Dir$(PhotoDir() & PhotoName) > "" Then imgPhoto.Picture = PhotosDir() & PhotoName Else imgPhoto.Picture = PhotosDir() & "noimage.jpg" End If End Sub > > On Oct 7, 2011, at 12:06 PM, "Brad Marks" > wrote: > > > All, > > > > Earlier I posted a question about Attachment fields. I was able to > > find an answer to my question and I have a test application that > > works Okay, but it seems a bit complicated for what I am trying to > > do. > > > > I thought that if I explained what I am trying to accomplish, maybe > > someone would have some insights or suggestions. > > > > I am pulling "Part" information from a SQL Server database into > > Access 2007 via ODBC. One of the fields in the Parts table is the > > location of an image of the Part. (for example > > C:\Part_Images\Part001.jpg). > > > > I want to be able to use an Access 2007 Report (in Report View) to > > display the appropriate .jpg file for each detail line on the > > report. > > > > I am able to accomplish this via the use of a "temporary" Access > > table that has an Attachment field for the images. This works, but > > I wonder if there is a better/simpler approach. > > > > I have experimented with placing an "Image" on the Report Detail > > lines, with hopes of changing the Images's "Picture" property on the > > fly for each detail line on the report. I cannot figure out how to > > do this. Perhaps Access 2007 does not allow this when using "Report > > View". > > > > I would guess that others may have run into similar situations and > > may have some advice. > > > > Thanks for your help, > > > > Brad > > > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Sat Oct 8 17:04:19 2011 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Sun, 09 Oct 2011 08:04:19 +1000 Subject: [AccessD] 10 things I don't miss about Access In-Reply-To: References: , Message-ID: <4E90C8E3.19731.347C755@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Access Zealots are like any other zealots such as freetards and apple fanbois (and warmistas? ) They take *any* perceived criticism of their chosen path as blasphemy. Once they detect any sign of it , they stop reading, close their minds and go on the attack. -- Stuart On 8 Oct 2011 at 10:38, Susan Harkins wrote: > Wow... I'm always surprised when someone takes such a 180% turn of > what I've written. It's like they don't really read what I've written > at all. They don't agree with a specific point or they read the > headings. Thanks to you and Gustav for championing my true intent. I > appreciate that. > > FWIW, the people that fuss the loudest about my opinions, seem to have > much stronger ones than mine. I always find that... interesting. And > of course, after they trash you, sometimes personally, they get even > madder because you don't say, "Oh my, you're so right, thank you for > saving me from my folly!" > > I love Access, always have. I'm sorry to see MS taking it in the > direction they have, but even so, I can still admit Access' > short-comings. I think that's just being realistic and frankly, you > need to do that in order to give your clients/users the best of what > they really need. I love Access, but I'm not a junkie. :) > > Susan H. > > > > > OK, for those interested, here's the link that will give you a > > logged in view of the EE thread that gustav mentioned: > > > > http://rdsrc.us/lIghoA > > > > Comments on Susan's article are the last fifteen or so comments at > > the > > bottom of the thread (about 2/3'rds of the way down - first comment > > was posted 10/7 at 4:29 pm). > > > > This is a continually running thread we have in the Access Zone, so > > there > > is a lot of stuff in the beginning that doesn't apply. > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Sat Oct 8 17:17:14 2011 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Sat, 08 Oct 2011 18:17:14 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] 10 things I don't miss about Access In-Reply-To: <4E90C8E3.19731.347C755@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: , <4E90C8E3.19731.347C755@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <4E90CBEA.1000601@colbyconsulting.com> You forgot the Inteliots John W. Colby Colby Consulting On 10/8/2011 6:04 PM, Stuart McLachlan wrote: > Access Zealots are like any other zealots such as freetards and apple fanbois (and > warmistas?) > > They take *any* perceived criticism of their chosen path as blasphemy. Once they detect any > sign of it , they stop reading, close their minds and go on the attack. > > From accessd at shaw.ca Sun Oct 9 01:03:02 2011 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2011 23:03:02 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] OT - John Colby - volunteer work with Prisons -Minnesota Public Radio program In-Reply-To: <01018F7E24CF49339BA54E4B38BC877F@abpc> References: <01018F7E24CF49339BA54E4B38BC877F@abpc> Message-ID: <14B78BF8B8B846F7A0F6F2B03EB1E0FB@creativesystemdesigns.com> Good wise words...but it still does not give a government a blank cheque because they just provide lip-service to the concept of democracy. Churchill, him-self was unceremoniously, kicked from power because he sent the army after striking workers...but at least it didn't take a revolution to oust him. Jim -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Asger Blond Sent: Saturday, October 08, 2011 5:38 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT - John Colby - volunteer work with Prisons -Minnesota Public Radio program Wise words - as are Winston Churchill's: "Many forms of Government have been tried, and will be tried in this world of sin and woe. No one pretends that democracy is perfect or all-wise. Indeed it has been said that democracy is the worst form of Government except for all those other forms that have been tried from time to time." Asger -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Kenneth Ismert Sendt: 7. oktober 2011 22:14 Til: accessd at databaseadvisors.com Emne: Re: [AccessD] OT - John Colby - volunteer work with Prisons - Minnesota Public Radio program I rarely make OT comments, but here's the exception: I see a lot of similarity between political belief and religious belief. Virtually all of us today were told of the political or religious framework we adhere to. Even those who seek almost never invent a novel set of beliefs, but simply pick from available alternatives. We choose our belief systems for reasons that have very little to to with logic, and everything to do with emotion. Proof of this is that our tenets rarely hold up to unbiased, scientific scrutiny. If a particular belief was provably correct, shouldn't it be universally accepted, like the laws of gravitation, or the Pythagorean theorem? And yet, problematic as they are, our beliefs are very real to us, perhaps more real than any other aspect of our existence. So, we find ourselves today in this setting of global competing passed-down dogmas, that are fiercely believed in and passionately championed, in spite of scarce proof. In the old days, the obvious and often-used resolution to these conflicts was to kill or imprison the others, the infidels, the political apostates. For all their problems, frailties, and pitfalls, there is one thing that can be unequivocally said about modern, religion-neutral democracies: the streets are almost entirely free of bloodshed when power changes hands or religious movements gain ground, and the prisons are remarkably free of political and religious prisoners. So, before we give up, and condemn our current systems to the dust bin, let us consider the achievements of our more enlightened societies and their political systems. We have difficulties because these systems are imperfect. But anyone who suggests, or implies, that we should revert to the political systems of old has forgotten what truly horrible things those historical regimes could be. The only real way forward is to invent new structures that address our current grievances, while embedding even more deeply respect for our differences, based on a more solid, fundamental and complete understanding of who we are as as species. That is the current belief I irrationally and emotionally adhere to. -Ken ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: jwcolby > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving < > accessd at databaseadvisors.com> > Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2011 10:36:41 -0400 > Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT - John Colby - volunteer work with Prisons - > Minnesota Public Radio program > Dan, > > Sadly politics is broken, not just in the US but around the world. > > I did an 8 month training, one full weekend a month to learn to be an > advocate for people with disabilities. My daughter Allie has many > disabilities caused by a genetic duplication. One of the weekends was > dedicated to educating us on the political system, what special interests > means, lobbying and so forth. > > Elections are won with advertising, advertising costs money, and companies > (mostly) have money. But in the end it all comes down to people. Everyone > believes what they believe, are (have been) convinced of the "truth" of > their belief system. > > Republicans really do believe that government has no business being in the > "help" business, that it is the job of the people to help each other. > Democrats believe the opposite. People have become jaded and believe that > nobody cares any more and so stop caring themselves. > > Ignoring the names of the political parties, this is not an American > problem it is a world problem, which occurs any time there are so many > people that we no longer know our neighbors. I don't mean "know their face" > I mean "get to know" our neighbors. > > What we were shown in that weekend is that the primary job of a politician > is to get re-elected. The politician him/herself has a belief system but > unless (s)he can get (re)elected (s)he cannot implement the belief system. > Once elected, there are so many conflicting interests that (s)he cannot > really function effectively. > > The system truly is broken, and probably always has been. > > The only hope for mankind is for us to realize that we all stand together > or we all fall alone. People have to individually make an effort to help > others less fortunate than ourselves. Which is a lot of work, and there is > a college football game on... and after that is Dancing with the Stars... > and besides, what difference can I really make? > > :) > > > John W. Colby > Colby Consulting > > On 10/4/2011 5:17 PM, Dan Waters wrote: > >> John- some of this will change in the next election. Unfortunately, too >> many people need to learn things the hard way. And learning that voting >> carefully, not emotionally, is actually important. Politics is not a >> reality TV show - it's real people really getting hurt. >> >> Dan >> > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Arthur Fuller > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving < > accessd at databaseadvisors.com> > Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2011 11:10:51 -0400 > Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT - John Colby - volunteer work with Prisons - > Minnesota Public Radio program > I think that you are onto something here, JWC. And I am seriously unsure of > the consequences that I draw, but here they are: > > 1. Political parties of whatever stripe are by definition attacks on > popular > opinion. I don't see any other way to see this. Let us for example take a > hypothetical voter who is against abortion and also against religious > instruction in public schools. No party represents this theoretical person. > The inevitable result is that I choose the party that shares the most > number > of values and propositions with me, and that SUCKS. > > Tomorrow is Election Day in Ontario, and various polls indicate that either > the Libs or the Cons are slated to have a minority win, and in either case > that means that my party, the NDP, is going to hold the balance of power. > > On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 10:36 AM, jwcolby >wrote: > > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Sun Oct 9 01:13:13 2011 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2011 23:13:13 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] 10 things I don't miss about Access In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2704F48FFD08482D81B04D436D8D4DB6@creativesystemdesigns.com> I think Microsoft should have moved MS Access into .Net and extended web capabilities. A transitional period would have been nice as well. Then MS could have had an excellent platform, that would run under any OS and browser, a huge set of trained developers ready to defend and build their products. Just cutting off a whole product line is not likely to garner much product and company loyalty. That is just my opinion but I have been working with Access since 2002...nearly 20 years. Jim -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins Sent: Saturday, October 08, 2011 7:38 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] 10 things I don't miss about Access Wow... I'm always surprised when someone takes such a 180% turn of what I've written. It's like they don't really read what I've written at all. They don't agree with a specific point or they read the headings. Thanks to you and Gustav for championing my true intent. I appreciate that. FWIW, the people that fuss the loudest about my opinions, seem to have much stronger ones than mine. I always find that... interesting. And of course, after they trash you, sometimes personally, they get even madder because you don't say, "Oh my, you're so right, thank you for saving me from my folly!" I love Access, always have. I'm sorry to see MS taking it in the direction they have, but even so, I can still admit Access' short-comings. I think that's just being realistic and frankly, you need to do that in order to give your clients/users the best of what they really need. I love Access, but I'm not a junkie. :) Susan H. > > OK, for those interested, here's the link that will give you a logged in > view of the EE thread that gustav mentioned: > > http://rdsrc.us/lIghoA > > Comments on Susan's article are the last fifteen or so comments at the > bottom of the thread (about 2/3'rds of the way down - first comment was > posted 10/7 at 4:29 pm). > > This is a continually running thread we have in the Access Zone, so there > is a lot of stuff in the beginning that doesn't apply. -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru Sun Oct 9 04:40:41 2011 From: shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov) Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2011 13:40:41 +0400 Subject: [AccessD] Drew Wutka memorial ideas In-Reply-To: <006701cc83c7$0c766cc0$25634640$@net> References: <01b301cc83b5$741defe0$5c59cfa0$@winhaven.net> <006701cc83c7$0c766cc0$25634640$@net> Message-ID: <55553C11DA024DEF8AE19CD0B4323CAE@nant> Yes, I'd definitely wire some money by PayPal to Drew's family/kids. I have just came back home and I have got read that tragic news about Drew's passing away. My deepest condolences to all of Drew's family and friends. -- Shamil -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Simms Sent: 6 ??????? 2011 ?. 5:27 To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Drew Wutka memorial ideas I'll definitely "chip in". I know this is not a warm and fuzzy way of doing it, but would PayPal be out of the question here ? I mean...it's at least convenient. The recipient could establish an account there within days. -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From marksimms at verizon.net Sun Oct 9 09:41:15 2011 From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms) Date: Sun, 09 Oct 2011 10:41:15 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] 10 things I don't miss about Access In-Reply-To: <584522BE54DB429788CFBDFD3D1D6073@XPS> References: <584522BE54DB429788CFBDFD3D1D6073@XPS> Message-ID: <007901cc8691$804a88d0$80df9a70$@net> Jim - What about Power Basic ? How does that stack-up relative to Access ? I know they've been continually improving that product....so it's not dead, But the user base must be very small. > But the data environment alone when working with forms is something > Access developers would kill for. Add to that the ability to compile into a > true .EXE, work with just about any 3rd party control, build COM objects or > DLL's, having unit testing capability, and being able to do n-tier > designs, and it made it quite attractive. Microsoft unfortunately killed it > just as I was coming up to speed with it, so I was back to square one looking > for the next best thing. I keep trying to get into VS, but I keep getting > pulled back into Access. From marksimms at verizon.net Sun Oct 9 09:42:53 2011 From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms) Date: Sun, 09 Oct 2011 10:42:53 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] 10 things I don't miss about Access In-Reply-To: <4E907F88.6040905@colbyconsulting.com> References: <584522BE54DB429788CFBDFD3D1D6073@XPS> <4E907F88.6040905@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <007a01cc8691$bab1dbe0$301593a0$@net> > C# is in another league entirely in terms of raw ability. John - I think it's the FRAMEWORK not just the language per se. From accessd at shaw.ca Sun Oct 9 10:56:50 2011 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2011 08:56:50 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] 10 things I don't miss about Access In-Reply-To: <007901cc8691$804a88d0$80df9a70$@net> References: <584522BE54DB429788CFBDFD3D1D6073@XPS> <007901cc8691$804a88d0$80df9a70$@net> Message-ID: <237A00C761104F3DB7D9F3FCBB4647D9@creativesystemdesigns.com> Let us not talk about Power Basic. Is that not the private preserve of Stuart? ;-) Jim -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Simms Sent: Sunday, October 09, 2011 7:41 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] 10 things I don't miss about Access Jim - What about Power Basic ? How does that stack-up relative to Access ? I know they've been continually improving that product....so it's not dead, But the user base must be very small. > But the data environment alone when working with forms is something > Access developers would kill for. Add to that the ability to compile into a > true .EXE, work with just about any 3rd party control, build COM objects or > DLL's, having unit testing capability, and being able to do n-tier > designs, and it made it quite attractive. Microsoft unfortunately killed it > just as I was coming up to speed with it, so I was back to square one looking > for the next best thing. I keep trying to get into VS, but I keep getting > pulled back into Access. -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Sun Oct 9 10:59:38 2011 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2011 08:59:38 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] 10 things I don't miss about Access In-Reply-To: <007a01cc8691$bab1dbe0$301593a0$@net> References: <584522BE54DB429788CFBDFD3D1D6073@XPS> <4E907F88.6040905@colbyconsulting.com> <007a01cc8691$bab1dbe0$301593a0$@net> Message-ID: <00211C4A69214F82A5DE08836B1A1362@creativesystemdesigns.com> MS Access was a framework for VB. There are many frameworks now, ones for Java, PHP and even .Net. Is Microsoft out the Framework business? Jim -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Simms Sent: Sunday, October 09, 2011 7:43 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] 10 things I don't miss about Access > C# is in another league entirely in terms of raw ability. John - I think it's the FRAMEWORK not just the language per se. -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Sun Oct 9 11:14:13 2011 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Sun, 09 Oct 2011 12:14:13 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] 10 things I don't miss about Access In-Reply-To: <007a01cc8691$bab1dbe0$301593a0$@net> References: <584522BE54DB429788CFBDFD3D1D6073@XPS> <4E907F88.6040905@colbyconsulting.com> <007a01cc8691$bab1dbe0$301593a0$@net> Message-ID: <4E91C855.6010001@colbyconsulting.com> Yes but the framework *is* the language. The language is literally a thin veneer over the framework. It calls down into the framework for everything. John W. Colby Colby Consulting On 10/9/2011 10:42 AM, Mark Simms wrote: >> C# is in another league entirely in terms of raw ability. > > John - I think it's the FRAMEWORK not just the language per se. > > > From shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru Sun Oct 9 13:36:11 2011 From: shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov) Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2011 22:36:11 +0400 Subject: [AccessD] 10 things I don't miss about Access In-Reply-To: <2704F48FFD08482D81B04D436D8D4DB6@creativesystemdesigns.com> References: <2704F48FFD08482D81B04D436D8D4DB6@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: Hi Jim -- <<< I have been working with Access since 2002...nearly 20 years. >>> Do you mean since November, 1992? (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Access) I have started to develop MS Access apps one year later - end of year 1993 - and in summer 1994 I have been feeling myself a kind of MS Access/VBA "Expert", really :) - I have got my first international MS Access project in summer 1995 and that was very heavy duty MS Access VBA/programming... ... with .NET/C#/VB.NET getting at "Expert" level takes 4-5 years I suppose (at least that was my experience) - still this .NET/C#/VB.NET/... development environment is so rapidly changing/evolving that one has to be learning constantly new and new technologies/programming concepts implemented in .NET and its main languages C#/VB.NET. In fact many of that "new concepts" are "good old ones" - as e.g. functional programming, lambda calculus - very useful stuff, `makes coding streamlined, ready for parallelization - have a look - http://blogs.msdn.com/b/ericwhite/archive/2006/10/04/fp-tutorial.aspx ... And MS Access/VBA has got into "stagnation/very slow evolution phase" since MS Access 2002/XP - then years for now... :( Thank you. -- Shamil -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: 9 ??????? 2011 ?. 10:13 To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] 10 things I don't miss about Access I think Microsoft should have moved MS Access into .Net and extended web capabilities. A transitional period would have been nice as well. Then MS could have had an excellent platform, that would run under any OS and browser, a huge set of trained developers ready to defend and build their products. Just cutting off a whole product line is not likely to garner much product and company loyalty. That is just my opinion but I have been working with Access since 2002...nearly 20 years. Jim From fuller.artful at gmail.com Sun Oct 9 14:43:06 2011 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2011 15:43:06 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Trouble referencing a control on another form Message-ID: I'm having trouble with the following scenario: I'm in one form (call it FormA). A button there opens another form (FormB), which displays a list of records and a pair of buttons (Copy and Close). The code in FormA opens FormB in dialog mode. The general idea here is that the user selects a record on FormB and hits the Copy button, whose code merely says "Me.Visible" = False. The code on the Close button closes the form. At this point, we are back on FormA, If FormB is still loaded, then I want to copy certain of its controls to controls of the same name on FormB. I've tried several approaches such as: With Me .MachineOrPress = Forms("FormB).MachineOrPress End With I also tried; Dim frm as form Set frm = Forms("FormB") With Me .MachineOrPress = frm.MachineOrPress End With In both cases, all I can see in Intellisense is the properties of FormB -- not the list of controls. I know there has to be a simple way to to refer to FormB's controls, but so far I haven't got it, and if I don't it soon I'll scrap this approach and use a recordset instead. Can anyone help me sort this out? TIA, Arthur From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Sun Oct 9 16:52:53 2011 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2011 07:52:53 +1000 Subject: [AccessD] 10 things I don't miss about Access In-Reply-To: <007901cc8691$804a88d0$80df9a70$@net> References: , <584522BE54DB429788CFBDFD3D1D6073@XPS>, <007901cc8691$804a88d0$80df9a70$@net> Message-ID: <4E9217B5.21112.863B768@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Completely different kettle of fish. That's llike asking how does C++ compare to Access. While you *could* do anything in PB or C++ that you can do in Access with a great deal of effort, they are complementary development tools rather than rivals. -- Stuart On 9 Oct 2011 at 10:41, Mark Simms wrote: > Jim - What about Power Basic ? How does that stack-up relative to > Access ? I know they've been continually improving that product....so > it's not dead, But the user base must be very small. > > > But the data environment alone when working with forms is > > something > > Access developers would kill for. Add to that the ability to > > compile into > a > > true .EXE, work with just about any 3rd party control, build COM > > objects > or > > DLL's, having unit testing capability, and being able to do n-tier > > designs, and it made it quite attractive. Microsoft unfortunately > > killed > it > > just as I was coming up to speed with it, so I was back to square > > one > looking > > for the next best thing. I keep trying to get into VS, but I keep > > getting pulled back into Access. > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Sun Oct 9 16:59:04 2011 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2011 07:59:04 +1000 Subject: [AccessD] Trouble referencing a control on another form In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4E921928.27411.86960A2@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Forms("FormB).Form!MachineOrPress -- Stuart On 9 Oct 2011 at 15:43, Arthur Fuller wrote: > I'm having trouble with the following scenario: > > I'm in one form (call it FormA). A button there opens another form > (FormB), which displays a list of records and a pair of buttons (Copy > and Close). The code in FormA opens FormB in dialog mode. The general > idea here is that the user selects a record on FormB and hits the Copy > button, whose code merely says "Me.Visible" = False. The code on the > Close button closes the form. At this point, we are back on FormA, If > FormB is still loaded, then I want to copy certain of its controls to > controls of the same name on FormB. > > I've tried several approaches such as: > > With Me > .MachineOrPress = Forms("FormB).MachineOrPress > End With > > I also tried; > > Dim frm as form > Set frm = Forms("FormB") > With Me > .MachineOrPress = frm.MachineOrPress > End With > > In both cases, all I can see in Intellisense is the properties of > FormB -- not the list of controls. > > I know there has to be a simple way to to refer to FormB's controls, > but so far I haven't got it, and if I don't it soon I'll scrap this > approach and use a recordset instead. > > Can anyone help me sort this out? > > TIA, > Arthur > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From fuller.artful at gmail.com Sun Oct 9 18:09:54 2011 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2011 19:09:54 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Trouble referencing a control on another form In-Reply-To: <4E921928.27411.86960A2@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: <4E921928.27411.86960A2@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: I'll give that a shot. Thanks. But I'm kind of surprised that the bang works while the dot doesn't. A. On Sun, Oct 9, 2011 at 5:59 PM, Stuart McLachlan wrote: > Forms("FormB).Form!MachineOrPress > > -- > Stuart > > From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Sun Oct 9 18:25:29 2011 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2011 09:25:29 +1000 Subject: [AccessD] Trouble referencing a control on another form In-Reply-To: References: , <4E921928.27411.86960A2@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>, Message-ID: <4E922D69.15203.8B87C3E@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> It's not the bang, it's the addition of "Form" -- Stuart On 9 Oct 2011 at 19:09, Arthur Fuller wrote: > I'll give that a shot. Thanks. But I'm kind of surprised that the bang > works while the dot doesn't. > > A. > > On Sun, Oct 9, 2011 at 5:59 PM, Stuart McLachlan > wrote: > > > Forms("FormB).Form!MachineOrPress > > > > -- > > Stuart > > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au Sun Oct 9 18:45:59 2011 From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins) Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2011 10:45:59 +1100 Subject: [AccessD] Trouble referencing a control on another form In-Reply-To: <4E922D69.15203.8B87C3E@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: , <4E921928.27411.86960A2@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>, <4E922D69.15203.8B87C3E@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <001401cc86dd$9941ea30$cbc5be90$@com.au> In simple terms: <> Cheers Darryl -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan Sent: Monday, 10 October 2011 10:25 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Trouble referencing a control on another form It's not the bang, it's the addition of "Form" -- Stuart On 9 Oct 2011 at 19:09, Arthur Fuller wrote: > I'll give that a shot. Thanks. But I'm kind of surprised that the bang > works while the dot doesn't. > > A. > > On Sun, Oct 9, 2011 at 5:59 PM, Stuart McLachlan > wrote: > > > Forms("FormB).Form!MachineOrPress > > > > -- > > Stuart > > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au Sun Oct 9 18:47:42 2011 From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins) Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2011 10:47:42 +1100 Subject: [AccessD] Trouble referencing a control on another form In-Reply-To: References: <4E921928.27411.86960A2@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <001501cc86dd$d67c8180$83758480$@com.au> Actually, this is what I was looking for.... Been a while. <> I found this to be super useful when it comes to dealing with forms, subforms and controls. Cheers Darryl. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Monday, 10 October 2011 10:10 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Trouble referencing a control on another form I'll give that a shot. Thanks. But I'm kind of surprised that the bang works while the dot doesn't. A. On Sun, Oct 9, 2011 at 5:59 PM, Stuart McLachlan wrote: > Forms("FormB).Form!MachineOrPress > > -- > Stuart > > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru Mon Oct 10 01:15:57 2011 From: shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov) Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2011 10:15:57 +0400 Subject: [AccessD] Writing and Hosting a Web Service in the SharePoint 2010 Demo Virtual Machine... Message-ID: <4D3A0180687B4AF8B4695CC635BAA56A@nant> Hi All -- In this article/blog entry: Writing and Hosting a Web Service in the SharePoint 2010 Demo Virtual Machine http://blogs.msdn.com/b/ericwhite/archive/2010/07/16/writing-and-hosting-a-w eb-service-in-the-sharepoint-2010-demo-virtual-machine.aspx the author refers to a test virtual machine image with SharePoint 2010 configured: "My favorite way to develop/experiment/write about SharePoint 2010 is to use the 2010 Information Worker Demonstration and Evaluation Virtual Machine. It is a great virtual machine - finely tuned, and has all of the necessary software installed, including SharePoint Server 2010, Visual Studio 2010, Office 2010, etc. I do on occasion build my own virtual machines when absolutely necessary, but I consider it a necessary evil, not something that I enjoy." The link directs to "http://www.microsoft.com/download/en/details.aspx?displaylang=en&id=21099" but VM isn't available there for downloading. Do you know is it still available for free downloading from MS web site? (Was it a free download?) Thank you. -- Shamil From shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru Mon Oct 10 01:37:06 2011 From: shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov) Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2011 10:37:06 +0400 Subject: [AccessD] [dba-VB] Writing and Hosting a Web Service in the SharePoint 2010Demo Virtual Machine... In-Reply-To: <4D3A0180687B4AF8B4695CC635BAA56A@nant> References: <4D3A0180687B4AF8B4695CC635BAA56A@nant> Message-ID: <7360072243CB49A7909DE5AC1AC87336@nant> Hi All -- I have found this link related to the subject: Download Microsoft FAST Search Server 2010 for SharePoint Trial today http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/evalcenter/ee424282 It looks good but it's "too much" - I just need a demo/trial VM with SharePoint 2010 Server configured to test some C#/OpenXML SDK/VBA + SharePoint coding. Is there SharePoint 2010 running in 32bit system environments? If not is it possible to run 64bit virtual machine on 32bit systems? - should be possible I guess, might be slow - no problem Thank you. -- Shamil -----Original Message----- From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil Salakhetdinov Sent: 10 ??????? 2011 ?. 10:16 To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Cc: 'Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues.' Subject: [dba-VB] Writing and Hosting a Web Service in the SharePoint 2010Demo Virtual Machine... Hi All -- In this article/blog entry: Writing and Hosting a Web Service in the SharePoint 2010 Demo Virtual Machine http://blogs.msdn.com/b/ericwhite/archive/2010/07/16/writing-and-hosting-a-w eb-service-in-the-sharepoint-2010-demo-virtual-machine.aspx the author refers to a test virtual machine image with SharePoint 2010 configured: "My favorite way to develop/experiment/write about SharePoint 2010 is to use the 2010 Information Worker Demonstration and Evaluation Virtual Machine. It is a great virtual machine - finely tuned, and has all of the necessary software installed, including SharePoint Server 2010, Visual Studio 2010, Office 2010, etc. I do on occasion build my own virtual machines when absolutely necessary, but I consider it a necessary evil, not something that I enjoy." The link directs to "http://www.microsoft.com/download/en/details.aspx?displaylang=en&id=21099" but VM isn't available there for downloading. Do you know is it still available for free downloading from MS web site? (Was it a free download?) Thank you. -- Shamil _______________________________________________ dba-VB mailing list dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb http://www.databaseadvisors.com From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk Mon Oct 10 01:57:53 2011 From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid) Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2011 07:57:53 +0100 Subject: [AccessD] Writing and Hosting a Web Service in the SharePoint 2010 Demo Virtual Machine... Message-ID: <631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB082956A302CE171@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk> It should be there and its free but times out at 180 days. Martin Sent from my Windows Phone ________________________________ From: Shamil Salakhetdinov Sent: 10/10/2011 07:19 To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Cc: 'Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues.' Subject: [AccessD] Writing and Hosting a Web Service in the SharePoint 2010 Demo Virtual Machine... Hi All -- In this article/blog entry: Writing and Hosting a Web Service in the SharePoint 2010 Demo Virtual Machine http://blogs.msdn.com/b/ericwhite/archive/2010/07/16/writing-and-hosting-a-w eb-service-in-the-sharepoint-2010-demo-virtual-machine.aspx the author refers to a test virtual machine image with SharePoint 2010 configured: "My favorite way to develop/experiment/write about SharePoint 2010 is to use the 2010 Information Worker Demonstration and Evaluation Virtual Machine. It is a great virtual machine - finely tuned, and has all of the necessary software installed, including SharePoint Server 2010, Visual Studio 2010, Office 2010, etc. I do on occasion build my own virtual machines when absolutely necessary, but I consider it a necessary evil, not something that I enjoy." The link directs to "http://www.microsoft.com/download/en/details.aspx?displaylang=en&id=21099" but VM isn't available there for downloading. Do you know is it still available for free downloading from MS web site? (Was it a free download?) Thank you. -- Shamil -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Mon Oct 10 08:04:25 2011 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2011 09:04:25 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Select one of several open forms Message-ID: I have a main form, another form (FormA) and a popup (FormB). When the user enters values in the popup, I hide that form. The intent is to then copy some values back to FormA and then close FormB. That part seems to work fine. The problem is that control is returning to the main form rather than to FormA. I recall that there is a way to set the focus specifically to any given open form but I can't remember it. Is it as simple as "FormA.SetFocus"? TIA, Arthur From ab-mi at post3.tele.dk Mon Oct 10 08:18:59 2011 From: ab-mi at post3.tele.dk (Asger Blond) Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2011 15:18:59 +0200 Subject: [AccessD] Select one of several open forms In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Forms("FormA").SetFocus Asger -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Arthur Fuller Sendt: 10. oktober 2011 15:04 Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Emne: [AccessD] Select one of several open forms I have a main form, another form (FormA) and a popup (FormB). When the user enters values in the popup, I hide that form. The intent is to then copy some values back to FormA and then close FormB. That part seems to work fine. The problem is that control is returning to the main form rather than to FormA. I recall that there is a way to set the focus specifically to any given open form but I can't remember it. Is it as simple as "FormA.SetFocus"? TIA, Arthur -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From darren at activebilling.com.au Mon Oct 10 08:24:21 2011 From: darren at activebilling.com.au (Darren - Active Billing) Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 00:24:21 +1100 Subject: [AccessD] Select one of several open forms In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <003b01cc874f$ed0d74f0$c7285ed0$@activebilling.com.au> Hi Arthur Something like... Forms!formA!SomeControlOnFormA.setfocus Is what I do. I always have a "transparent" command button on each and every one of my forms called "TabBlank". It has its tab property set to zero and is always my 'resting place' for the cursor when I need one, and an attachment point too (as in this case) when I need one. I can refer to it in code when things are 'running' (Send the cursor there) and when I need to disable controls, I send the focus there too for neatness to avoid "you can't disable the current control" messages - That sort of stuff. I don't always like returning to a data entry field (Unless required). As access (depending on configuration options) usually highlights the value in the field when the focus arrives. Users (I dunno why) often like to hit the space bar when returning to their screens especially if their screen saver is on. Often deleting the contents of the selected field. So I usually do something like Forms!frForma!TabBlank.setfocus Hope this helps See ya Darren -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Tuesday, 11 October 2011 12:04 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: [AccessD] Select one of several open forms I have a main form, another form (FormA) and a popup (FormB). When the user enters values in the popup, I hide that form. The intent is to then copy some values back to FormA and then close FormB. That part seems to work fine. The problem is that control is returning to the main form rather than to FormA. I recall that there is a way to set the focus specifically to any given open form but I can't remember it. Is it as simple as "FormA.SetFocus"? TIA, Arthur -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Mon Oct 10 08:27:55 2011 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2011 09:27:55 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Select one of several open forms In-Reply-To: <003b01cc874f$ed0d74f0$c7285ed0$@activebilling.com.au> References: <003b01cc874f$ed0d74f0$c7285ed0$@activebilling.com.au> Message-ID: Thanks to both of you. Arthur From shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru Mon Oct 10 08:43:56 2011 From: shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov) Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2011 17:43:56 +0400 Subject: [AccessD] Writing and Hosting a Web Service in the SharePoint 2010 Demo Virtual Machine... In-Reply-To: <631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB082956A302CE171@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk> References: <631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB082956A302CE171@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk> Message-ID: Thank you Martin, And do you know there exist any paid (economical class - pay per API call - something like that) SharePoint hosting services with SharePoint 2010 Word Automation Services (http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ff742315.aspx) and SharePoint 2010 Excel Services (http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ff640648.aspx) ? Thank you. -- Shamil -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Martin Reid Sent: 10 ??????? 2011 ?. 10:58 To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Cc: 'Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues.' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Writing and Hosting a Web Service in the SharePoint 2010 Demo Virtual Machine... It should be there and its free but times out at 180 days. Martin Sent from my Windows Phone ________________________________ From: Shamil Salakhetdinov Sent: 10/10/2011 07:19 To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Cc: 'Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues.' Subject: [AccessD] Writing and Hosting a Web Service in the SharePoint 2010 Demo Virtual Machine... Hi All -- In this article/blog entry: Writing and Hosting a Web Service in the SharePoint 2010 Demo Virtual Machine http://blogs.msdn.com/b/ericwhite/archive/2010/07/16/writing-and-hosting-a-w eb-service-in-the-sharepoint-2010-demo-virtual-machine.aspx the author refers to a test virtual machine image with SharePoint 2010 configured: "My favorite way to develop/experiment/write about SharePoint 2010 is to use the 2010 Information Worker Demonstration and Evaluation Virtual Machine. It is a great virtual machine - finely tuned, and has all of the necessary software installed, including SharePoint Server 2010, Visual Studio 2010, Office 2010, etc. I do on occasion build my own virtual machines when absolutely necessary, but I consider it a necessary evil, not something that I enjoy." The link directs to "http://www.microsoft.com/download/en/details.aspx?displaylang=en&id=21099" but VM isn't available there for downloading. Do you know is it still available for free downloading from MS web site? (Was it a free download?) Thank you. -- Shamil -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Mon Oct 10 10:47:51 2011 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2011 11:47:51 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] OT - John Colby - volunteer work with Prisons -Minnesota Public Radio program In-Reply-To: <14B78BF8B8B846F7A0F6F2B03EB1E0FB@creativesystemdesigns.com> References: <01018F7E24CF49339BA54E4B38BC877F@abpc> <14B78BF8B8B846F7A0F6F2B03EB1E0FB@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: It's also worth noting that Churchill was referring to parliamentary democracy, as practised in Britain and Canada among others. By this definition, the USA is not a democracy but rather a republic, and there are several large differences. Ask William Hindman, if you doubt this, but for starters the relative weight of the fed vs. the states; the electoral college, and on the other side, the ability of political parties in Britain and Canada to replace their leaders at will, whether or not said leader is Prime Minister. Arthur On Sun, Oct 9, 2011 at 2:03 AM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > Good wise words...but it still does not give a government a blank cheque > because they just provide lip-service to the concept of democracy. > > Churchill, him-self was unceremoniously, kicked from power because he sent > the army after striking workers...but at least it didn't take a revolution > to oust him. > > Jim > > From okiearcher at gmail.com Mon Oct 10 12:36:08 2011 From: okiearcher at gmail.com (Keith) Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2011 12:36:08 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Update schedule table with new dates Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20111010123452.0313c588@mail.archersworld.com> Hi all. I posted this message to Access-L this morning with no response, so I was wondering if anyone here could help me. I have a need to develop a process (or modify an existing) to update a table. Let's say I have tblSched with fields like: strStoreNum, strLocation, dteBidDate, dtePossessionDate, dteOpenDate. Each week my users update a new Excel schedule sheet and put it in a common network directory. I need to develop or find a function that will go out to the network folder import the Excel file into a new table, and update the tblSched with any CHANGED dates from the newly imported table. (Or I could just do a compare to the Excel sheet without importing, if that works better.) I also need to add any new stores to the tblSched that are included in the new Excel sheet that were not in the table prior to the update. I am just preliminarily assuming that this will involve Append and Update queries, or looping through individual records/fields in the two tables. Are there any functions out there that will come close to doing what I am try to do? Thanks. Keith From charlotte.foust at gmail.com Mon Oct 10 15:44:34 2011 From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust) Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2011 13:44:34 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Update schedule table with new dates In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20111010123452.0313c588@mail.archersworld.com> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20111010123452.0313c588@mail.archersworld.com> Message-ID: If by a "function" you mean something built in, no. If you want code to do it, that may be doable, but you need to tell us what version of Access you're using and what exactly you are trying to accomplish in more detail. It sounds like you have mutliple users entering data into an Excel workbook, but is it a shared workbook or multiple workbooks? Does it have a single worksheet or multiples, i.e., one for each user, or what? What data field or fields are you keying off of on the spreadsheet, and what kind of keys do you have in the Access tables. What do you want to do with the data once it's in Access? That determines data structures and a bunch of other things. Fill in the blanks, and someone may be able to help. Charlotte Foust On Mon, Oct 10, 2011 at 10:36 AM, Keith wrote: > Hi all. > > I posted this message to Access-L this morning with no response, so I was > wondering if anyone here could help me. > > I have a need to develop a process (or modify an existing) to update a > table. Let's say I have tblSched with fields like: strStoreNum, strLocation, > dteBidDate, dtePossessionDate, dteOpenDate. > > Each week my users update a new Excel schedule sheet and put it in a common > network directory. I need to develop or find a function that will go out to > the network folder import the Excel file into a new table, and update the > tblSched with any CHANGED dates from the newly imported table. (Or I could > just do a compare to the Excel sheet without importing, if that works > better.) > > I also need to add any new stores to the tblSched that are included in the > new Excel sheet that were not in the table prior to the update. > > I am just preliminarily assuming that this will involve Append and Update > queries, or looping through individual records/fields in the two tables. > > Are there any functions out there that will come close to doing what I am > try to do? > > Thanks. > Keith > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/accessd > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.**com > > > From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Mon Oct 10 16:07:05 2011 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 07:07:05 +1000 Subject: [AccessD] Update schedule table with new dates In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20111010123452.0313c588@mail.archersworld.com> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20111010123452.0313c588@mail.archersworld.com> Message-ID: <4E935E79.26994.D60259F@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> In addition to Charlotte's questions: How do you differentiate between changed and new schedule items? On 10 Oct 2011 at 12:36, Keith wrote: > Hi all. > > I posted this message to Access-L this morning with no response, so I > was wondering if anyone here could help me. > > I have a need to develop a process (or modify an existing) to update a > table. Let's say I have tblSched with fields like: strStoreNum, > strLocation, dteBidDate, dtePossessionDate, dteOpenDate. > > Each week my users update a new Excel schedule sheet and put it in a > common network directory. I need to develop or find a function that > will go out to the network folder import the Excel file into a new > table, and update the tblSched with any CHANGED dates from the newly > imported table. (Or I could just do a compare to the Excel sheet > without importing, if that works better.) > > I also need to add any new stores to the tblSched that are included in > the new Excel sheet that were not in the table prior to the update. > > I am just preliminarily assuming that this will involve Append and > Update queries, or looping through individual records/fields in the > two tables. > > Are there any functions out there that will come close to doing what I > am try to do? > > Thanks. > Keith > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From charlotte.foust at gmail.com Mon Oct 10 16:16:46 2011 From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust) Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2011 14:16:46 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] 10 things I don't miss about Access In-Reply-To: <2704F48FFD08482D81B04D436D8D4DB6@creativesystemdesigns.com> References: <2704F48FFD08482D81B04D436D8D4DB6@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: Jim, I've worked with Access since version 1 in 1992. It was a great app, with the emphasis on *was*. I agree, it would have been great to move into .Net, but they already had VS, and frankly once you work with that, it's really hard to tolerate the limitations of Access. Charlotte Foust On Sat, Oct 8, 2011 at 11:13 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > I think Microsoft should have moved MS Access into .Net and extended web > capabilities. A transitional period would have been nice as well. > > Then MS could have had an excellent platform, that would run under any OS > and browser, a huge set of trained developers ready to defend and build > their products. Just cutting off a whole product line is not likely to > garner much product and company loyalty. > > That is just my opinion but I have been working with Access since > 2002...nearly 20 years. > > Jim > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins > Sent: Saturday, October 08, 2011 7:38 AM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] 10 things I don't miss about Access > > Wow... I'm always surprised when someone takes such a 180% turn of what > I've > > written. It's like they don't really read what I've written at all. They > don't agree with a specific point or they read the headings. Thanks to you > and Gustav for championing my true intent. I appreciate that. > > FWIW, the people that fuss the loudest about my opinions, seem to have much > stronger ones than mine. I always find that... interesting. And of course, > after they trash you, sometimes personally, they get even madder because > you > > don't say, "Oh my, you're so right, thank you for saving me from my folly!" > > > I love Access, always have. I'm sorry to see MS taking it in the direction > they have, but even so, I can still admit Access' short-comings. I think > that's just being realistic and frankly, you need to do that in order to > give your clients/users the best of what they really need. I love Access, > but I'm not a junkie. :) > > Susan H. > > > > > OK, for those interested, here's the link that will give you a logged in > > view of the EE thread that gustav mentioned: > > > > http://rdsrc.us/lIghoA > > > > > > Comments on Susan's article are the last fifteen or so comments at the > > bottom of the thread (about 2/3'rds of the way down - first comment was > > posted 10/7 at 4:29 pm). > > > > This is a continually running thread we have in the Access Zone, so > there > > is a lot of stuff in the beginning that doesn't apply. > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > From accessd at shaw.ca Mon Oct 10 23:35:29 2011 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2011 21:35:29 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] 10 things I don't miss about Access In-Reply-To: References: <2704F48FFD08482D81B04D436D8D4DB6@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: <6C3B3CFE6C954B7B81F5A7E54CCA446D@creativesystemdesigns.com> Yes...thanks for catching that Shamil. Jim -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil Salakhetdinov Sent: Sunday, October 09, 2011 11:36 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] 10 things I don't miss about Access Hi Jim -- <<< I have been working with Access since 2002...nearly 20 years. >>> Do you mean since November, 1992? (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Access) I have started to develop MS Access apps one year later - end of year 1993 - and in summer 1994 I have been feeling myself a kind of MS Access/VBA "Expert", really :) - I have got my first international MS Access project in summer 1995 and that was very heavy duty MS Access VBA/programming... ... with .NET/C#/VB.NET getting at "Expert" level takes 4-5 years I suppose (at least that was my experience) - still this .NET/C#/VB.NET/... development environment is so rapidly changing/evolving that one has to be learning constantly new and new technologies/programming concepts implemented in .NET and its main languages C#/VB.NET. In fact many of that "new concepts" are "good old ones" - as e.g. functional programming, lambda calculus - very useful stuff, `makes coding streamlined, ready for parallelization - have a look - http://blogs.msdn.com/b/ericwhite/archive/2006/10/04/fp-tutorial.aspx ... And MS Access/VBA has got into "stagnation/very slow evolution phase" since MS Access 2002/XP - then years for now... :( Thank you. -- Shamil -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: 9 ??????? 2011 ?. 10:13 To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] 10 things I don't miss about Access I think Microsoft should have moved MS Access into .Net and extended web capabilities. A transitional period would have been nice as well. Then MS could have had an excellent platform, that would run under any OS and browser, a huge set of trained developers ready to defend and build their products. Just cutting off a whole product line is not likely to garner much product and company loyalty. That is just my opinion but I have been working with Access since 2002...nearly 20 years. Jim -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Mon Oct 10 23:55:31 2011 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2011 21:55:31 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] 10 things I don't miss about Access In-Reply-To: References: <2704F48FFD08482D81B04D436D8D4DB6@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: <592ABE68D47C4655A19A933A21F5CB66@creativesystemdesigns.com> I do realize MS Access is now really a limited product and the truth is I have moved on but maybe I am just a little sentimental. ;-) Jim -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust Sent: Monday, October 10, 2011 2:17 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] 10 things I don't miss about Access Jim, I've worked with Access since version 1 in 1992. It was a great app, with the emphasis on *was*. I agree, it would have been great to move into .Net, but they already had VS, and frankly once you work with that, it's really hard to tolerate the limitations of Access. Charlotte Foust On Sat, Oct 8, 2011 at 11:13 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > I think Microsoft should have moved MS Access into .Net and extended web > capabilities. A transitional period would have been nice as well. > > Then MS could have had an excellent platform, that would run under any OS > and browser, a huge set of trained developers ready to defend and build > their products. Just cutting off a whole product line is not likely to > garner much product and company loyalty. > > That is just my opinion but I have been working with Access since > 2002...nearly 20 years. > > Jim > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins > Sent: Saturday, October 08, 2011 7:38 AM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] 10 things I don't miss about Access > > Wow... I'm always surprised when someone takes such a 180% turn of what > I've > > written. It's like they don't really read what I've written at all. They > don't agree with a specific point or they read the headings. Thanks to you > and Gustav for championing my true intent. I appreciate that. > > FWIW, the people that fuss the loudest about my opinions, seem to have much > stronger ones than mine. I always find that... interesting. And of course, > after they trash you, sometimes personally, they get even madder because > you > > don't say, "Oh my, you're so right, thank you for saving me from my folly!" > > > I love Access, always have. I'm sorry to see MS taking it in the direction > they have, but even so, I can still admit Access' short-comings. I think > that's just being realistic and frankly, you need to do that in order to > give your clients/users the best of what they really need. I love Access, > but I'm not a junkie. :) > > Susan H. > > > > > OK, for those interested, here's the link that will give you a logged in > > view of the EE thread that gustav mentioned: > > > > http://rdsrc.us/lIghoA > > > > > > Comments on Susan's article are the last fifteen or so comments at the > > bottom of the thread (about 2/3'rds of the way down - first comment was > > posted 10/7 at 4:29 pm). > > > > This is a continually running thread we have in the Access Zone, so > there > > is a lot of stuff in the beginning that doesn't apply. > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Tue Oct 11 10:16:44 2011 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 11:16:44 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] We only notice the significant observations Message-ID: Ok, I plead guilty to the above. But nonetheless, it strikes me as Jungian synchronous how many times I glance at the time and it's 11:11 (am or pm, both count). Maybe this says more about when I am on-line than anything else, but it keeps on happening. It just happened 3 minutes ago, for the Nth-Hundred time this year. Anyone else experience similar "lucky numbers"? Granted, I ignore all the other random times, but even if I do that, and restrict the set to repeatable numbers (4:44, etc.), 11:11 keeps coming up for me most frequently. Perhaps I ought take this phenomenon to the craps table in the nearest casino LOL. A. From ssharkins at gmail.com Tue Oct 11 10:32:17 2011 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 11:32:17 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] We only notice the significant observations References: Message-ID: <76B9AA484280443FBCDB80730B8613A0@SusanHarkins> I do this frequently -- comes in spurts. I'll even wake up to see it's 2:22, 3:33, and so on. Kind of weird, but our brains are pretty powerful. I don't think they're lucky numbers. I don't think they're spirits messages (a common reasoning). I have no ideas why our brains would care, but maybe it's just because once it happens, we find it odd enough that our brain creates a little trigger -- when we stop being impressed by it, we stop seeing it. Just my guess and of course, it's worth zilch. Susan H. > Ok, I plead guilty to the above. But nonetheless, it strikes me as Jungian > synchronous how many times I glance at the time and it's 11:11 (am or pm, > both count). Maybe this says more about when I am on-line than anything > else, but it keeps on happening. It just happened 3 minutes ago, for the > Nth-Hundred time this year. > > Anyone else experience similar "lucky numbers"? > > Granted, I ignore all the other random times, but even if I do that, and > restrict the set to repeatable numbers (4:44, etc.), 11:11 keeps coming up > for me most frequently. Perhaps I ought take this phenomenon to the craps > table in the nearest casino LOL. > From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Tue Oct 11 11:15:49 2011 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 09:15:49 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] We only notice the significant observations In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9879741544574AB0827B9658FA8ACD4B@HAL9007> Perhaps you're in front of the clock (working, maybe?) at 11:11 than you are at 4:44. R -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2011 8:17 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: [AccessD] We only notice the significant observations Ok, I plead guilty to the above. But nonetheless, it strikes me as Jungian synchronous how many times I glance at the time and it's 11:11 (am or pm, both count). Maybe this says more about when I am on-line than anything else, but it keeps on happening. It just happened 3 minutes ago, for the Nth-Hundred time this year. Anyone else experience similar "lucky numbers"? Granted, I ignore all the other random times, but even if I do that, and restrict the set to repeatable numbers (4:44, etc.), 11:11 keeps coming up for me most frequently. Perhaps I ought take this phenomenon to the craps table in the nearest casino LOL. A. -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From markamatte at hotmail.com Tue Oct 11 11:20:54 2011 From: markamatte at hotmail.com (Mark A Matte) Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 16:20:54 +0000 Subject: [AccessD] We only notice the significant observations In-Reply-To: <9879741544574AB0827B9658FA8ACD4B@HAL9007> References: , <9879741544574AB0827B9658FA8ACD4B@HAL9007> Message-ID: The number that has always caught my attention was 256...whether it is 2:56 am/pm...the computer world...or even the first military unit I belonged to(256 Brigade 5th ID)...it just stands out in my mind and catches my attention (along with all the ones Arthur mentioned as well). Mark A. Matte > From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com > Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 09:15:49 -0700 > Subject: Re: [AccessD] We only notice the significant observations > > Perhaps you're in front of the clock (working, maybe?) at 11:11 than you are > at 4:44. > > R > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller > Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2011 8:17 AM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: [AccessD] We only notice the significant observations > > Ok, I plead guilty to the above. But nonetheless, it strikes me as Jungian > synchronous how many times I glance at the time and it's 11:11 (am or pm, > both count). Maybe this says more about when I am on-line than anything > else, but it keeps on happening. It just happened 3 minutes ago, for the > Nth-Hundred time this year. > > Anyone else experience similar "lucky numbers"? > > Granted, I ignore all the other random times, but even if I do that, and > restrict the set to repeatable numbers (4:44, etc.), 11:11 keeps coming up > for me most frequently. Perhaps I ought take this phenomenon to the craps > table in the nearest casino LOL. > > A. > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From michael at mattysconsulting.com Tue Oct 11 11:39:07 2011 From: michael at mattysconsulting.com (Michael Mattys) Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 12:39:07 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] We only notice the significant observations In-Reply-To: References: , <9879741544574AB0827B9658FA8ACD4B@HAL9007> Message-ID: <00b001cc8834$4de2fc20$e9a8f460$@mattysconsulting.com> I've always liked 10:01 - looks like a face with glasses. Other fascinations are those word-drawings people make, like the smiley :), and those short essays with missing words, missing letters, or misspellings that our brains can piece together for better or worse. This may be related to the Crime Scene Investigation phenomenon... All DA's and lawyers are experts in knowing how 'evidence' can be pieced together in such a manner as to convict someone of something that never happened or spin things in such a way as to provide acquittal from very serious charges. You may have even been convinced that 'evolution' is an actual scientific possibility ... Michael R Mattys Mattys Consulting, LLC www.mattysconsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark A Matte Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2011 12:21 PM To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [AccessD] We only notice the significant observations The number that has always caught my attention was 256...whether it is 2:56 am/pm...the computer world...or even the first military unit I belonged to(256 Brigade 5th ID)...it just stands out in my mind and catches my attention (along with all the ones Arthur mentioned as well). Mark A. Matte > From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com > Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 09:15:49 -0700 > Subject: Re: [AccessD] We only notice the significant observations > > Perhaps you're in front of the clock (working, maybe?) at 11:11 than > you are at 4:44. > > R > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur > Fuller > Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2011 8:17 AM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: [AccessD] We only notice the significant observations > > Ok, I plead guilty to the above. But nonetheless, it strikes me as > Jungian synchronous how many times I glance at the time and it's 11:11 > (am or pm, both count). Maybe this says more about when I am on-line > than anything else, but it keeps on happening. It just happened 3 > minutes ago, for the Nth-Hundred time this year. > > Anyone else experience similar "lucky numbers"? > > Granted, I ignore all the other random times, but even if I do that, > and restrict the set to repeatable numbers (4:44, etc.), 11:11 keeps > coming up for me most frequently. Perhaps I ought take this phenomenon > to the craps table in the nearest casino LOL. > > A. > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Lambert.Heenan at chartisinsurance.com Tue Oct 11 12:06:22 2011 From: Lambert.Heenan at chartisinsurance.com (Heenan, Lambert) Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 13:06:22 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] We only notice the significant observations In-Reply-To: <00b001cc8834$4de2fc20$e9a8f460$@mattysconsulting.com> References: , <9879741544574AB0827B9658FA8ACD4B@HAL9007> <00b001cc8834$4de2fc20$e9a8f460$@mattysconsulting.com> Message-ID: Hmm. New guy on the block makes controversial remark first time out of the starting gate. Is there any other science that you consider to be just a matter of opinion? Obviously you're not a flat-earther, but anything else from the real world of science that troubles you? Lambert :-) -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Michael Mattys Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2011 12:39 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] We only notice the significant observations I've always liked 10:01 - looks like a face with glasses. Other fascinations are those word-drawings people make, like the smiley :), and those short essays with missing words, missing letters, or misspellings that our brains can piece together for better or worse. This may be related to the Crime Scene Investigation phenomenon... All DA's and lawyers are experts in knowing how 'evidence' can be pieced together in such a manner as to convict someone of something that never happened or spin things in such a way as to provide acquittal from very serious charges. You may have even been convinced that 'evolution' is an actual scientific possibility ... Michael R Mattys Mattys Consulting, LLC www.mattysconsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark A Matte Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2011 12:21 PM To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [AccessD] We only notice the significant observations The number that has always caught my attention was 256...whether it is 2:56 am/pm...the computer world...or even the first military unit I belonged to(256 Brigade 5th ID)...it just stands out in my mind and catches my attention (along with all the ones Arthur mentioned as well). Mark A. Matte > From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com > Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 09:15:49 -0700 > Subject: Re: [AccessD] We only notice the significant observations > > Perhaps you're in front of the clock (working, maybe?) at 11:11 than > you are at 4:44. > > R > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur > Fuller > Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2011 8:17 AM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: [AccessD] We only notice the significant observations > > Ok, I plead guilty to the above. But nonetheless, it strikes me as > Jungian synchronous how many times I glance at the time and it's 11:11 > (am or pm, both count). Maybe this says more about when I am on-line > than anything else, but it keeps on happening. It just happened 3 > minutes ago, for the Nth-Hundred time this year. > > Anyone else experience similar "lucky numbers"? > > Granted, I ignore all the other random times, but even if I do that, > and restrict the set to repeatable numbers (4:44, etc.), 11:11 keeps > coming up for me most frequently. Perhaps I ought take this phenomenon > to the craps table in the nearest casino LOL. > > A. > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From davidmcafee at gmail.com Tue Oct 11 12:11:56 2011 From: davidmcafee at gmail.com (David McAfee) Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 10:11:56 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] We only notice the significant observations In-Reply-To: References: <9879741544574AB0827B9658FA8ACD4B@HAL9007> <00b001cc8834$4de2fc20$e9a8f460$@mattysconsulting.com> Message-ID: We keep waking up at 3:00AM, but we think it has to do more with a ghost than with lucky numbers ;) On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 10:06 AM, Heenan, Lambert < Lambert.Heenan at chartisinsurance.com> wrote: > Hmm. New guy on the block makes controversial remark first time out of the > starting gate. Is there any other science that you consider to be just a > matter of opinion? Obviously you're not a flat-earther, but anything else > from the real world of science that troubles you? > > Lambert :-) > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto: > accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Michael Mattys > Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2011 12:39 PM > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > Subject: Re: [AccessD] We only notice the significant observations > > I've always liked 10:01 - looks like a face with glasses. > > Other fascinations are those word-drawings people make, like the smiley :), > and those short essays with missing words, missing letters, or misspellings > that our brains can piece together for better or worse. > > This may be related to the Crime Scene Investigation phenomenon... > All DA's and lawyers are experts in knowing how 'evidence' can be pieced > together in such a manner as to convict someone of something that never > happened or spin things in such a way as to provide acquittal from very > serious charges. > > You may have even been convinced that 'evolution' is an actual scientific > possibility ... > > Michael R Mattys > Mattys Consulting, LLC > www.mattysconsulting.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark A Matte > Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2011 12:21 PM > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com > Subject: Re: [AccessD] We only notice the significant observations > > > The number that has always caught my attention was 256...whether it is 2:56 > am/pm...the computer world...or even the first military unit I belonged > to(256 Brigade 5th ID)...it just stands out in my mind and catches my > attention (along with all the ones Arthur mentioned as well). > > Mark A. Matte > > > > From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com > > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com > > Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 09:15:49 -0700 > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] We only notice the significant observations > > > > Perhaps you're in front of the clock (working, maybe?) at 11:11 than > > you are at 4:44. > > > > R > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur > > Fuller > > Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2011 8:17 AM > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > > Subject: [AccessD] We only notice the significant observations > > > > Ok, I plead guilty to the above. But nonetheless, it strikes me as > > Jungian synchronous how many times I glance at the time and it's 11:11 > > (am or pm, both count). Maybe this says more about when I am on-line > > than anything else, but it keeps on happening. It just happened 3 > > minutes ago, for the Nth-Hundred time this year. > > > > Anyone else experience similar "lucky numbers"? > > > > Granted, I ignore all the other random times, but even if I do that, > > and restrict the set to repeatable numbers (4:44, etc.), 11:11 keeps > > coming up for me most frequently. Perhaps I ought take this phenomenon > > to the craps table in the nearest casino LOL. > > > > A. > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From michael at mattysconsulting.com Tue Oct 11 12:26:42 2011 From: michael at mattysconsulting.com (Michael Mattys) Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 13:26:42 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] We only notice the significant observations In-Reply-To: References: , <9879741544574AB0827B9658FA8ACD4B@HAL9007> <00b001cc8834$4de2fc20$e9a8f460$@mattysconsulting.com> Message-ID: <00c601cc883a$f23a00b0$d6ae0210$@mattysconsulting.com> I've been here since the first Access-D, Lambert :) Michael R Mattys Mattys Consulting, LLC www.mattysconsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan, Lambert Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2011 1:06 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] We only notice the significant observations Hmm. New guy on the block makes controversial remark first time out of the starting gate. Is there any other science that you consider to be just a matter of opinion? Obviously you're not a flat-earther, but anything else from the real world of science that troubles you? Lambert :-) -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Michael Mattys Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2011 12:39 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] We only notice the significant observations I've always liked 10:01 - looks like a face with glasses. Other fascinations are those word-drawings people make, like the smiley :), and those short essays with missing words, missing letters, or misspellings that our brains can piece together for better or worse. This may be related to the Crime Scene Investigation phenomenon... All DA's and lawyers are experts in knowing how 'evidence' can be pieced together in such a manner as to convict someone of something that never happened or spin things in such a way as to provide acquittal from very serious charges. You may have even been convinced that 'evolution' is an actual scientific possibility ... Michael R Mattys Mattys Consulting, LLC www.mattysconsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark A Matte Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2011 12:21 PM To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [AccessD] We only notice the significant observations The number that has always caught my attention was 256...whether it is 2:56 am/pm...the computer world...or even the first military unit I belonged to(256 Brigade 5th ID)...it just stands out in my mind and catches my attention (along with all the ones Arthur mentioned as well). Mark A. Matte > From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com > Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 09:15:49 -0700 > Subject: Re: [AccessD] We only notice the significant observations > > Perhaps you're in front of the clock (working, maybe?) at 11:11 than > you are at 4:44. > > R > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur > Fuller > Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2011 8:17 AM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: [AccessD] We only notice the significant observations > > Ok, I plead guilty to the above. But nonetheless, it strikes me as > Jungian synchronous how many times I glance at the time and it's 11:11 > (am or pm, both count). Maybe this says more about when I am on-line > than anything else, but it keeps on happening. It just happened 3 > minutes ago, for the Nth-Hundred time this year. > > Anyone else experience similar "lucky numbers"? > > Granted, I ignore all the other random times, but even if I do that, > and restrict the set to repeatable numbers (4:44, etc.), 11:11 keeps > coming up for me most frequently. Perhaps I ought take this phenomenon > to the craps table in the nearest casino LOL. > > A. > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From charlotte.foust at gmail.com Tue Oct 11 12:30:52 2011 From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust) Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 10:30:52 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] We only notice the significant observations In-Reply-To: <00c601cc883a$f23a00b0$d6ae0210$@mattysconsulting.com> References: <9879741544574AB0827B9658FA8ACD4B@HAL9007> <00b001cc8834$4de2fc20$e9a8f460$@mattysconsulting.com> <00c601cc883a$f23a00b0$d6ae0210$@mattysconsulting.com> Message-ID: Now, boys, play nicely! Charlotte Foust On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 10:26 AM, Michael Mattys < michael at mattysconsulting.com> wrote: > I've been here since the first Access-D, Lambert :) > > Michael R Mattys > Mattys Consulting, LLC > www.mattysconsulting.com > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan, Lambert > Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2011 1:06 PM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] We only notice the significant observations > > Hmm. New guy on the block makes controversial remark first time out of the > starting gate. Is there any other science that you consider to be just a > matter of opinion? Obviously you're not a flat-earther, but anything else > from the real world of science that troubles you? > > Lambert :-) > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Michael Mattys > Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2011 12:39 PM > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > Subject: Re: [AccessD] We only notice the significant observations > > > You may have even been convinced that 'evolution' is an actual scientific > possibility ... > > Michael R Mattys > Mattys Consulting, LLC > www.mattysconsulting.com > > > > From Lambert.Heenan at chartisinsurance.com Tue Oct 11 12:46:46 2011 From: Lambert.Heenan at chartisinsurance.com (Heenan, Lambert) Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 13:46:46 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] We only notice the significant observations In-Reply-To: <00c601cc883a$f23a00b0$d6ae0210$@mattysconsulting.com> References: , <9879741544574AB0827B9658FA8ACD4B@HAL9007> <00b001cc8834$4de2fc20$e9a8f460$@mattysconsulting.com> <00c601cc883a$f23a00b0$d6ae0210$@mattysconsulting.com> Message-ID: Sorry Michael. I must not have been paying too much attention lately. Lambert -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Michael Mattys Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2011 1:27 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] We only notice the significant observations I've been here since the first Access-D, Lambert :) Michael R Mattys Mattys Consulting, LLC www.mattysconsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan, Lambert Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2011 1:06 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] We only notice the significant observations Hmm. New guy on the block makes controversial remark first time out of the starting gate. Is there any other science that you consider to be just a matter of opinion? Obviously you're not a flat-earther, but anything else from the real world of science that troubles you? Lambert :-) -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Michael Mattys Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2011 12:39 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] We only notice the significant observations I've always liked 10:01 - looks like a face with glasses. Other fascinations are those word-drawings people make, like the smiley :), and those short essays with missing words, missing letters, or misspellings that our brains can piece together for better or worse. This may be related to the Crime Scene Investigation phenomenon... All DA's and lawyers are experts in knowing how 'evidence' can be pieced together in such a manner as to convict someone of something that never happened or spin things in such a way as to provide acquittal from very serious charges. You may have even been convinced that 'evolution' is an actual scientific possibility ... Michael R Mattys Mattys Consulting, LLC www.mattysconsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark A Matte Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2011 12:21 PM To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [AccessD] We only notice the significant observations The number that has always caught my attention was 256...whether it is 2:56 am/pm...the computer world...or even the first military unit I belonged to(256 Brigade 5th ID)...it just stands out in my mind and catches my attention (along with all the ones Arthur mentioned as well). Mark A. Matte > From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com > Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 09:15:49 -0700 > Subject: Re: [AccessD] We only notice the significant observations > > Perhaps you're in front of the clock (working, maybe?) at 11:11 than > you are at 4:44. > > R > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur > Fuller > Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2011 8:17 AM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: [AccessD] We only notice the significant observations > > Ok, I plead guilty to the above. But nonetheless, it strikes me as > Jungian synchronous how many times I glance at the time and it's 11:11 > (am or pm, both count). Maybe this says more about when I am on-line > than anything else, but it keeps on happening. It just happened 3 > minutes ago, for the Nth-Hundred time this year. > > Anyone else experience similar "lucky numbers"? > > Granted, I ignore all the other random times, but even if I do that, > and restrict the set to repeatable numbers (4:44, etc.), 11:11 keeps > coming up for me most frequently. Perhaps I ought take this phenomenon > to the craps table in the nearest casino LOL. > > A. > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From michael at mattysconsulting.com Tue Oct 11 13:29:51 2011 From: michael at mattysconsulting.com (Michael Mattys) Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 14:29:51 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] We only notice the significant observations In-Reply-To: References: , <9879741544574AB0827B9658FA8ACD4B@HAL9007> <00b001cc8834$4de2fc20$e9a8f460$@mattysconsulting.com> <00c601cc883a$f23a00b0$d6ae0210$@mattysconsulting.com> Message-ID: <00dd01cc8843$c49cf9b0$4dd6ed10$@mattysconsulting.com> No problem, Lambert. Your input is well respected at this end of the line. Michael R Mattys Mattys Consulting, LLC www.mattysconsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan, Lambert Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2011 1:47 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] We only notice the significant observations Sorry Michael. I must not have been paying too much attention lately. Lambert -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Michael Mattys Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2011 1:27 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] We only notice the significant observations I've been here since the first Access-D, Lambert :) Michael R Mattys Mattys Consulting, LLC www.mattysconsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan, Lambert Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2011 1:06 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] We only notice the significant observations Hmm. New guy on the block makes controversial remark first time out of the starting gate. Is there any other science that you consider to be just a matter of opinion? Obviously you're not a flat-earther, but anything else from the real world of science that troubles you? Lambert :-) -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Michael Mattys Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2011 12:39 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] We only notice the significant observations I've always liked 10:01 - looks like a face with glasses. Other fascinations are those word-drawings people make, like the smiley :), and those short essays with missing words, missing letters, or misspellings that our brains can piece together for better or worse. This may be related to the Crime Scene Investigation phenomenon... All DA's and lawyers are experts in knowing how 'evidence' can be pieced together in such a manner as to convict someone of something that never happened or spin things in such a way as to provide acquittal from very serious charges. You may have even been convinced that 'evolution' is an actual scientific possibility ... Michael R Mattys Mattys Consulting, LLC www.mattysconsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark A Matte Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2011 12:21 PM To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [AccessD] We only notice the significant observations The number that has always caught my attention was 256...whether it is 2:56 am/pm...the computer world...or even the first military unit I belonged to(256 Brigade 5th ID)...it just stands out in my mind and catches my attention (along with all the ones Arthur mentioned as well). Mark A. Matte > From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com > Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 09:15:49 -0700 > Subject: Re: [AccessD] We only notice the significant observations > > Perhaps you're in front of the clock (working, maybe?) at 11:11 than > you are at 4:44. > > R > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur > Fuller > Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2011 8:17 AM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: [AccessD] We only notice the significant observations > > Ok, I plead guilty to the above. But nonetheless, it strikes me as > Jungian synchronous how many times I glance at the time and it's 11:11 > (am or pm, both count). Maybe this says more about when I am on-line > than anything else, but it keeps on happening. It just happened 3 > minutes ago, for the Nth-Hundred time this year. > > Anyone else experience similar "lucky numbers"? > > Granted, I ignore all the other random times, but even if I do that, > and restrict the set to repeatable numbers (4:44, etc.), 11:11 keeps > coming up for me most frequently. Perhaps I ought take this phenomenon > to the craps table in the nearest casino LOL. > > A. > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From rls at webedb.com Tue Oct 11 16:10:11 2011 From: rls at webedb.com (rls at webedb.com) Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 14:10:11 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Writing and Hosting a Web Service in the SharePoint Message-ID: <24.4f53feababc3aa8dbbd2@C15472-140440> http://www.microsoft.com/download/en/details.aspx?id=27417 Try this one instead. The first one seems to be the link to the beta software. Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2011 10:15:57 +0400 From: "Shamil Salakhetdinov" To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" Cc: "'Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues.'" Subject: [dba-VB] Writing and Hosting a Web Service in the SharePoint 2010 Demo Virtual Machine... Message-ID: <4D3A0180687B4AF8B4695CC635BAA56A at nant> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="koi8-r" Hi All -- In this article/blog entry: Writing and Hosting a Web Service in the SharePoint 2010 Demo Virtual Machine http://blogs.msdn.com/b/ericwhite/archive/2010/07/16/writing-and-hosting-a-web-service-in-the-sharepoint-2010-demo-virtual-machine.aspx the author refers to a test virtual machine image with SharePoint 2010 configured: "http://www.microsoft.com/download/en/details.aspx?displaylang=en&id=21099" but VM isn't available there for downloading. Do you know is it still available for free downloading from MS web site? (Was it a free download?) Thank you. From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au Tue Oct 11 18:58:06 2011 From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins) Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 10:58:06 +1100 Subject: [AccessD] We only notice the significant observations In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <001e01cc8871$9f484f60$ddd8ee20$@com.au> Humans seems to be hardwired to observe patterns and narratives, even in randomness. Maybe it is because of randomness? Dunno, but they do know we will make up a pattern and story out of nothingness... -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Wednesday, 12 October 2011 2:17 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: [AccessD] We only notice the significant observations Ok, I plead guilty to the above. But nonetheless, it strikes me as Jungian synchronous how many times I glance at the time and it's 11:11 (am or pm, both count). Maybe this says more about when I am on-line than anything else, but it keeps on happening. It just happened 3 minutes ago, for the Nth-Hundred time this year. Anyone else experience similar "lucky numbers"? Granted, I ignore all the other random times, but even if I do that, and restrict the set to repeatable numbers (4:44, etc.), 11:11 keeps coming up for me most frequently. Perhaps I ought take this phenomenon to the craps table in the nearest casino LOL. A. -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au Tue Oct 11 19:20:27 2011 From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins) Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 11:20:27 +1100 Subject: [AccessD] Writing and Hosting a Web Service in the SharePoint 2010 Demo Virtual Machine... In-Reply-To: References: <631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB082956A302CE171@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk> Message-ID: <000101cc8874$be361120$3aa23360$@com.au> Shamil, I might be way off here as I haven't been following this thread, but Office 365 for small business does just that and more. It is a good solution for those folks who want an enterprise Outlook Exchange server and full Sharepoint functionality, but don't have the time, technical skills and/or money to have a dedicated server up and running just for their business. Maybe worth a look. You can have a free trial if nothing else. http://www.microsoft.com/en-au/office365/online-software.aspx I have been automatically pointed to the AU (Aussie) site, you the link above may not be ideal for you. Maybe just try www.office365.com instead regards Darryl. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil Salakhetdinov Sent: Tuesday, 11 October 2011 12:44 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Writing and Hosting a Web Service in the SharePoint 2010 Demo Virtual Machine... Thank you Martin, And do you know there exist any paid (economical class - pay per API call - something like that) SharePoint hosting services with SharePoint 2010 Word Automation Services (http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ff742315.aspx) and SharePoint 2010 Excel Services (http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ff640648.aspx) ? Thank you. -- Shamil -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Martin Reid Sent: 10 ??????? 2011 ?. 10:58 To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Cc: 'Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues.' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Writing and Hosting a Web Service in the SharePoint 2010 Demo Virtual Machine... It should be there and its free but times out at 180 days. Martin Sent from my Windows Phone ________________________________ From: Shamil Salakhetdinov Sent: 10/10/2011 07:19 To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Cc: 'Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues.' Subject: [AccessD] Writing and Hosting a Web Service in the SharePoint 2010 Demo Virtual Machine... Hi All -- In this article/blog entry: Writing and Hosting a Web Service in the SharePoint 2010 Demo Virtual Machine http://blogs.msdn.com/b/ericwhite/archive/2010/07/16/writing-and-hosting-a-w eb-service-in-the-sharepoint-2010-demo-virtual-machine.aspx the author refers to a test virtual machine image with SharePoint 2010 configured: "My favorite way to develop/experiment/write about SharePoint 2010 is to use the 2010 Information Worker Demonstration and Evaluation Virtual Machine. It is a great virtual machine - finely tuned, and has all of the necessary software installed, including SharePoint Server 2010, Visual Studio 2010, Office 2010, etc. I do on occasion build my own virtual machines when absolutely necessary, but I consider it a necessary evil, not something that I enjoy." The link directs to "http://www.microsoft.com/download/en/details.aspx?displaylang=en&id=21099" but VM isn't available there for downloading. Do you know is it still available for free downloading from MS web site? (Was it a free download?) Thank you. -- Shamil -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Wed Oct 12 05:42:22 2011 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 06:42:22 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] We only notice the significant observations In-Reply-To: References: , <9879741544574AB0827B9658FA8ACD4B@HAL9007> <00b001cc8834$4de2fc20$e9a8f460$@mattysconsulting.com> Message-ID: <4E956F0E.3070704@colbyconsulting.com> >Obviously you're not a flat-earther Hey! There's no proof that the world is round! All those "pictures" from the space station are just the government trying to cover up all the wasted funds by claiming scientific advances! ;) John W. Colby Colby Consulting On 10/11/2011 1:06 PM, Heenan, Lambert wrote: > Hmm. New guy on the block makes controversial remark first time out of the starting gate. Is there any other science that you consider to be just a matter of opinion? Obviously you're not a flat-earther, but anything else from the real world of science that troubles you? > > Lambert :-) > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Michael Mattys > Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2011 12:39 PM > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > Subject: Re: [AccessD] We only notice the significant observations > > I've always liked 10:01 - looks like a face with glasses. > > Other fascinations are those word-drawings people make, like the smiley :), and those short essays with missing words, missing letters, or misspellings that our brains can piece together for better or worse. > > This may be related to the Crime Scene Investigation phenomenon... > All DA's and lawyers are experts in knowing how 'evidence' can be pieced together in such a manner as to convict someone of something that never happened or spin things in such a way as to provide acquittal from very serious charges. > > You may have even been convinced that 'evolution' is an actual scientific possibility ... > > Michael R Mattys > Mattys Consulting, LLC > www.mattysconsulting.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark A Matte > Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2011 12:21 PM > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com > Subject: Re: [AccessD] We only notice the significant observations > > > The number that has always caught my attention was 256...whether it is 2:56 am/pm...the computer world...or even the first military unit I belonged > to(256 Brigade 5th ID)...it just stands out in my mind and catches my attention (along with all the ones Arthur mentioned as well). > > Mark A. Matte > > >> From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com >> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com >> Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 09:15:49 -0700 >> Subject: Re: [AccessD] We only notice the significant observations >> >> Perhaps you're in front of the clock (working, maybe?) at 11:11 than >> you are at 4:44. >> >> R >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur >> Fuller >> Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2011 8:17 AM >> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving >> Subject: [AccessD] We only notice the significant observations >> >> Ok, I plead guilty to the above. But nonetheless, it strikes me as >> Jungian synchronous how many times I glance at the time and it's 11:11 >> (am or pm, both count). Maybe this says more about when I am on-line >> than anything else, but it keeps on happening. It just happened 3 >> minutes ago, for the Nth-Hundred time this year. >> >> Anyone else experience similar "lucky numbers"? >> >> Granted, I ignore all the other random times, but even if I do that, >> and restrict the set to repeatable numbers (4:44, etc.), 11:11 keeps >> coming up for me most frequently. Perhaps I ought take this phenomenon >> to the craps table in the nearest casino LOL. >> >> A. >> -- >> AccessD mailing list >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> -- >> AccessD mailing list >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From fuller.artful at gmail.com Wed Oct 12 06:23:31 2011 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 07:23:31 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] We only notice the significant observations In-Reply-To: <4E956F0E.3070704@colbyconsulting.com> References: <9879741544574AB0827B9658FA8ACD4B@HAL9007> <00b001cc8834$4de2fc20$e9a8f460$@mattysconsulting.com> <4E956F0E.3070704@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: Besides, the moon landing was shot in Arizona. A. On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 6:42 AM, jwcolby wrote: > >Obviously you're not a flat-earther > > Hey! There's no proof that the world is round! All those "pictures" from > the space station are just the government trying to cover up all the wasted > funds by claiming scientific advances! > > ;) > > John W. Colby > Colby Consulting > > From michael at mattysconsulting.com Wed Oct 12 09:19:38 2011 From: michael at mattysconsulting.com (Michael Mattys) Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 10:19:38 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] We only notice the significant observations In-Reply-To: References: <9879741544574AB0827B9658FA8ACD4B@HAL9007> <00b001cc8834$4de2fc20$e9a8f460$@mattysconsulting.com> <4E956F0E.3070704@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <001101cc88e9$fab22c40$f01684c0$@mattysconsulting.com> I enjoyed that 1995 speech by Steve Jobs, Arthur. "Stay hungry, stay foolish." I would love to learn the programming language of adding information to DNA. http://www.evolutionofdna.com/Evolution-Of-DNA.html Michael R Mattys Mattys Consulting, LLC www.mattysconsulting.com From michael at mattysconsulting.com Wed Oct 12 12:20:22 2011 From: michael at mattysconsulting.com (Michael Mattys) Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 13:20:22 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] We only notice the significant observations In-Reply-To: <001101cc88e9$fab22c40$f01684c0$@mattysconsulting.com> References: <9879741544574AB0827B9658FA8ACD4B@HAL9007> <00b001cc8834$4de2fc20$e9a8f460$@mattysconsulting.com> <4E956F0E.3070704@colbyconsulting.com> <001101cc88e9$fab22c40$f01684c0$@mattysconsulting.com> Message-ID: <002101cc8903$3a4e9f00$aeebdd00$@mattysconsulting.com> Wonderful stuff. http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/evolution/darwin-never-knew.html http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/evolution/are-we-still-evolving.html Michael R Mattys Mattys Consulting, LLC -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Michael Mattys Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2011 10:20 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] We only notice the significant observations I enjoyed that 1995 speech by Steve Jobs, Arthur. "Stay hungry, stay foolish." I would love to learn the programming language of adding information to DNA. http://www.evolutionofdna.com/Evolution-Of-DNA.html Michael R Mattys Mattys Consulting, LLC www.mattysconsulting.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Wed Oct 12 12:29:01 2011 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 10:29:01 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] We only notice the significant observations In-Reply-To: <002101cc8903$3a4e9f00$aeebdd00$@mattysconsulting.com> References: <9879741544574AB0827B9658FA8ACD4B@HAL9007> <00b001cc8834$4de2fc20$e9a8f460$@mattysconsulting.com> <4E956F0E.3070704@colbyconsulting.com> <001101cc88e9$fab22c40$f01684c0$@mattysconsulting.com> <002101cc8903$3a4e9f00$aeebdd00$@mattysconsulting.com> Message-ID: <796FF76F19964BA284F79C474C9C0C71@creativesystemdesigns.com> A very good read. Jim -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Michael Mattys Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2011 10:20 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] We only notice the significant observations Wonderful stuff. http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/evolution/darwin-never-knew.html http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/evolution/are-we-still-evolving.html Michael R Mattys Mattys Consulting, LLC -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Michael Mattys Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2011 10:20 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] We only notice the significant observations I enjoyed that 1995 speech by Steve Jobs, Arthur. "Stay hungry, stay foolish." I would love to learn the programming language of adding information to DNA. http://www.evolutionofdna.com/Evolution-Of-DNA.html Michael R Mattys Mattys Consulting, LLC www.mattysconsulting.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Wed Oct 12 12:59:35 2011 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 13:59:35 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] We only notice the significant observations In-Reply-To: <002101cc8903$3a4e9f00$aeebdd00$@mattysconsulting.com> References: <9879741544574AB0827B9658FA8ACD4B@HAL9007> <00b001cc8834$4de2fc20$e9a8f460$@mattysconsulting.com> <4E956F0E.3070704@colbyconsulting.com> <001101cc88e9$fab22c40$f01684c0$@mattysconsulting.com> <002101cc8903$3a4e9f00$aeebdd00$@mattysconsulting.com> Message-ID: <4E95D587.5070908@colbyconsulting.com> Indeed. We find truth in the strangest places. John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it On 10/12/2011 1:20 PM, Michael Mattys wrote: > Wonderful stuff. > > http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/evolution/darwin-never-knew.html > http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/evolution/are-we-still-evolving.html > > Michael R Mattys > Mattys Consulting, LLC > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Michael Mattys > Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2011 10:20 AM > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > Subject: Re: [AccessD] We only notice the significant observations > > I enjoyed that 1995 speech by Steve Jobs, Arthur. > "Stay hungry, stay foolish." > > I would love to learn the programming language of adding information to DNA. > http://www.evolutionofdna.com/Evolution-Of-DNA.html > > Michael R Mattys > Mattys Consulting, LLC > www.mattysconsulting.com > > From michael at mattysconsulting.com Wed Oct 12 14:09:42 2011 From: michael at mattysconsulting.com (Michael Mattys) Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 15:09:42 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] We only notice the significant observations In-Reply-To: <4E95D587.5070908@colbyconsulting.com> References: <9879741544574AB0827B9658FA8ACD4B@HAL9007> <00b001cc8834$4de2fc20$e9a8f460$@mattysconsulting.com> <4E956F0E.3070704@colbyconsulting.com> <001101cc88e9$fab22c40$f01684c0$@mattysconsulting.com> <002101cc8903$3a4e9f00$aeebdd00$@mattysconsulting.com> <4E95D587.5070908@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <002901cc8912$808c5980$81a50c80$@mattysconsulting.com> I didn't get anything from there that I didn't know already. Michael R Mattys Mattys Consulting, LLC www.mattysconsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2011 2:00 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] We only notice the significant observations Indeed. We find truth in the strangest places. John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it On 10/12/2011 1:20 PM, Michael Mattys wrote: > Wonderful stuff. > > http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/evolution/darwin-never-knew.html > http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/evolution/are-we-still-evolving.html > > Michael R Mattys > Mattys Consulting, LLC > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Michael Mattys > Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2011 10:20 AM > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > Subject: Re: [AccessD] We only notice the significant observations > > I enjoyed that 1995 speech by Steve Jobs, Arthur. > "Stay hungry, stay foolish." > > I would love to learn the programming language of adding information to DNA. > http://www.evolutionofdna.com/Evolution-Of-DNA.html > > Michael R Mattys > Mattys Consulting, LLC > www.mattysconsulting.com > > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Thu Oct 13 05:59:05 2011 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 06:59:05 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Optimizing query when select part requires a calculation In-Reply-To: <004b01cc8201$8fc0d7e0$af4287a0$@gmail.com> References: <004b01cc8201$8fc0d7e0$af4287a0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: It seems you made a copy+paste error in your message. 1a and 1b seem identical, even to the point of being both labelled 1a. Method 2 strikes me as nonsensical. How could a left join end up with nulls on the first table? As for option 3, Any IN() or NOT IN() expression forces a full table scan, regardless of the indexes available that might be more profitably used. Stay away from IN() unless there's no other alternative. HTH, Arthur On Mon, Oct 3, 2011 at 3:20 PM, William Benson (VBACreations.Com) < vbacreations at gmail.com> wrote: > Optimizing a query that compares calculated result from each table. I have > 2 tables Tbl1 and Tbl2, each with the same two columns [A] and [B]; I > wanted > to ask Access what values from the combination of these two fields exist in > one but not the other. I used "|" as a separator. I want to know > > (1) Why method 1a and 1b are equivalent > (2) Why Method 2 is not required (ie, why can I test either item for Null > and it represents the combination is null, not the single field on its own) > (3) Why Method 3 takes hundreds of times longer > > > > 'METHOD 1a > SELECT [Tbl1].[A] & "|" & [Tbl1].[B] AS ResultX > FROM Tbl1 LEFT JOIN Tbl2 ON (Tbl1.[B] = Tbl2.[B]) AND (Tbl1.[A] = Tbl2.[A]) > WHERE Tbl2.A Is Null > > 'METHOD 1a > SELECT [Tbl1].[A] & "|" & [Tbl1].[B] AS ResultX > FROM Tbl1 LEFT JOIN Tbl2 ON (Tbl1.[B] = Tbl2.[B]) AND (Tbl1.[A] = Tbl2.[A]) > WHERE Tbl2.B Is Null > > 'METHOD 2 > SELECT [Tbl1].[A] & "|" & [Tbl1].[B] AS ResultX > FROM Tbl1 LEFT JOIN Tbl2 ON (Tbl1.[B] = Tbl2.[B]) AND (Tbl1.[A] = Tbl2.[A]) > WHERE (Tbl2.A Is Null OR Tbl2.B Is Null) <--- Testing both seems not > necessary > > 'METHOD 3 > Select [Tbl1].[A] & "|" & [Tbl1].[B] as ResultX > From [Tbl1] > Where > [Tbl1].[A] & "|" & [Tbl1].[B] Not IN (Select [Tbl2].[A] & "|" & > [Tbl2].[B] as ResultY From [Tbl2]) > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Thu Oct 13 08:05:34 2011 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 09:05:34 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] See you in space! Message-ID: <4E96E21E.3080100@colbyconsulting.com> http://www.sqlservercentral.com/articles/Red+Gate+Software/76406/ -- John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it From vbacreations at gmail.com Thu Oct 13 09:10:05 2011 From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson) Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 10:10:05 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Optimizing query when select part requires a calculation In-Reply-To: References: <004b01cc8201$8fc0d7e0$af4287a0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Thank you. Yes a typo. They are not dentical the second one is 1b. They are comparing different fields for null. I guess I don't really understand join fields very well in a SQL statement that joins tables on multiple fields. I expect situations with sometimes table 1 and 2 both have a match on field A but not on B. And other records in 1 and 2 that match field B but don't match field A. That was why my I wrote method 2. Yes it is nonsensical but I don't really understand joins on more than one field. Thanks for explanation regarding. IN. On Oct 13, 2011 7:00 AM, "Arthur Fuller" wrote: > It seems you made a copy+paste error in your message. 1a and 1b seem > identical, even to the point of being both labelled 1a. > > Method 2 strikes me as nonsensical. How could a left join end up with nulls > on the first table? > > As for option 3, > > Any IN() or NOT IN() expression forces a full table scan, regardless of the > indexes available that might be more profitably used. Stay away from IN() > unless there's no other alternative. > > HTH, > Arthur > > On Mon, Oct 3, 2011 at 3:20 PM, William Benson (VBACreations.Com) < > vbacreations at gmail.com> wrote: > > > Optimizing a query that compares calculated result from each table. I > have > > 2 tables Tbl1 and Tbl2, each with the same two columns [A] and [B]; I > > wanted > > to ask Access what values from the combination of these two fields exist > in > > one but not the other. I used "|" as a separator. I want to know > > > > (1) Why method 1a and 1b are equivalent > > (2) Why Method 2 is not required (ie, why can I test either item for Null > > and it represents the combination is null, not the single field on its > own) > > (3) Why Method 3 takes hundreds of times longer > > > > > > > > 'METHOD 1a > > SELECT [Tbl1].[A] & "|" & [Tbl1].[B] AS ResultX > > FROM Tbl1 LEFT JOIN Tbl2 ON (Tbl1.[B] = Tbl2.[B]) AND (Tbl1.[A] = > Tbl2.[A]) > > WHERE Tbl2.A Is Null > > > > 'METHOD 1a > > SELECT [Tbl1].[A] & "|" & [Tbl1].[B] AS ResultX > > FROM Tbl1 LEFT JOIN Tbl2 ON (Tbl1.[B] = Tbl2.[B]) AND (Tbl1.[A] = > Tbl2.[A]) > > WHERE Tbl2.B Is Null > > > > 'METHOD 2 > > SELECT [Tbl1].[A] & "|" & [Tbl1].[B] AS ResultX > > FROM Tbl1 LEFT JOIN Tbl2 ON (Tbl1.[B] = Tbl2.[B]) AND (Tbl1.[A] = > Tbl2.[A]) > > WHERE (Tbl2.A Is Null OR Tbl2.B Is Null) <--- Testing both seems not > > necessary > > > > 'METHOD 3 > > Select [Tbl1].[A] & "|" & [Tbl1].[B] as ResultX > > From [Tbl1] > > Where > > [Tbl1].[A] & "|" & [Tbl1].[B] Not IN (Select [Tbl2].[A] & "|" & > > [Tbl2].[B] as ResultY From [Tbl2]) > > > > > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From fuller.artful at gmail.com Thu Oct 13 09:41:05 2011 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 10:41:05 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Optimizing query when select part requires a calculation In-Reply-To: References: <004b01cc8201$8fc0d7e0$af4287a0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Pursuant to IN(). An often-preferred alternative is to create a temp-table consisting of the values contained within the IN(), and then to join this to the real tables. The time taken to construct the temp-table is negligible. Once it's created, the natural joins do all the heavy lifting for you. Since you want to join on multiple columns, I suggest that you create a calculated (virtual) column on both tables, and then do the join on those columns. It might require a little addition to your documentation, but it cleans up the mess rather nicely, IMO. HTH, Arthur From vbacreations at gmail.com Thu Oct 13 11:18:33 2011 From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson (VBACreations.Com)) Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 12:18:33 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] See you in space! In-Reply-To: <4E96E21E.3080100@colbyconsulting.com> References: <4E96E21E.3080100@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <009601cc89c3$c164d2a0$442e77e0$@gmail.com> Good reward for the lucky someone. For sure it won't be a beauty contest or a popularity contest as most such are. Ha Ha Ha I take slight issue with the thought expressed "It's the humble DBA who makes it happen - the Master of Data who enables medical records to be summoned in the blink of an eye, keeps transport running smoothly, manages the data beneath the electrical grid for billions of people and provides instant access to news, music, phone calls, money and an endless supply of entertainment." I think there are a lot of roles involved... I don't mind recognizing DBAs for their part, but good luck without all the other technicians and developers and support people... and the sales people who help businesses see where they need to scale and what solutions meet their needs. I would sure hate to say DBAs don't have a meaningful place in the world and I don't want to get on their bad side... but I hate the repeated calls to hyperbole, on a seemingly endlessly revolving basis of "who's the next class of people to say we owe it all to." -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2011 9:06 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving; Sqlserver-Dba Subject: [AccessD] See you in space! http://www.sqlservercentral.com/articles/Red+Gate+Software/76406/ -- John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Thu Oct 13 15:45:32 2011 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 16:45:32 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] See you in space! In-Reply-To: <009601cc89c3$c164d2a0$442e77e0$@gmail.com> References: <4E96E21E.3080100@colbyconsulting.com> <009601cc89c3$c164d2a0$442e77e0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4E974DEC.8060009@colbyconsulting.com> LOL. Ya'll owe it all to me, that's who. ;) John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it On 10/13/2011 12:18 PM, William Benson (VBACreations.Com) wrote: > Good reward for the lucky someone. For sure it won't be a beauty contest or > a popularity contest as most such are. > > > Ha Ha Ha > > > > I take slight issue with the thought expressed "It's the humble DBA who > makes it happen - the Master of Data who enables medical records to be > summoned in the blink of an eye, keeps transport running smoothly, manages > the data beneath the electrical grid for billions of people and provides > instant access to news, music, phone calls, money and an endless supply of > entertainment." > > I think there are a lot of roles involved... I don't mind recognizing DBAs > for their part, but good luck without all the other technicians and > developers and support people... and the sales people who help businesses > see where they need to scale and what solutions meet their needs. > > I would sure hate to say DBAs don't have a meaningful place in the world and > I don't want to get on their bad side... but I hate the repeated calls to > hyperbole, on a seemingly endlessly revolving basis of "who's the next class > of people to say we owe it all to." > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby > Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2011 9:06 AM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving; Sqlserver-Dba > Subject: [AccessD] See you in space! > > > http://www.sqlservercentral.com/articles/Red+Gate+Software/76406/ From ab-mi at post3.tele.dk Thu Oct 13 15:59:31 2011 From: ab-mi at post3.tele.dk (Asger Blond) Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 22:59:31 +0200 Subject: [AccessD] Optimizing query when select part requires acalculation In-Reply-To: References: <004b01cc8201$8fc0d7e0$af4287a0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <597195726B444DA89560BE2B9650AFE7@abpc> Arthur, You wrote: >> Any IN() or NOT IN() expression forces a full table scan, >> regardless of the indexes available... This is simply not true. If the subquery in an IN clause have a WHERE condition on an indexed column then this index will certainly be used in a SEEK operation if the index is considered useful for the query optimizer. It will be used in exactly the same way as when the statement enclosed in the IN clause is run separately. Asger -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Arthur Fuller Sendt: 13. oktober 2011 12:59 Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Emne: Re: [AccessD] Optimizing query when select part requires acalculation It seems you made a copy+paste error in your message. 1a and 1b seem identical, even to the point of being both labelled 1a. Method 2 strikes me as nonsensical. How could a left join end up with nulls on the first table? As for option 3, Any IN() or NOT IN() expression forces a full table scan, regardless of the indexes available that might be more profitably used. Stay away from IN() unless there's no other alternative. HTH, Arthur On Mon, Oct 3, 2011 at 3:20 PM, William Benson (VBACreations.Com) < vbacreations at gmail.com> wrote: > Optimizing a query that compares calculated result from each table. I have > 2 tables Tbl1 and Tbl2, each with the same two columns [A] and [B]; I > wanted > to ask Access what values from the combination of these two fields exist in > one but not the other. I used "|" as a separator. I want to know > > (1) Why method 1a and 1b are equivalent > (2) Why Method 2 is not required (ie, why can I test either item for Null > and it represents the combination is null, not the single field on its own) > (3) Why Method 3 takes hundreds of times longer > > > > 'METHOD 1a > SELECT [Tbl1].[A] & "|" & [Tbl1].[B] AS ResultX > FROM Tbl1 LEFT JOIN Tbl2 ON (Tbl1.[B] = Tbl2.[B]) AND (Tbl1.[A] = Tbl2.[A]) > WHERE Tbl2.A Is Null > > 'METHOD 1a > SELECT [Tbl1].[A] & "|" & [Tbl1].[B] AS ResultX > FROM Tbl1 LEFT JOIN Tbl2 ON (Tbl1.[B] = Tbl2.[B]) AND (Tbl1.[A] = Tbl2.[A]) > WHERE Tbl2.B Is Null > > 'METHOD 2 > SELECT [Tbl1].[A] & "|" & [Tbl1].[B] AS ResultX > FROM Tbl1 LEFT JOIN Tbl2 ON (Tbl1.[B] = Tbl2.[B]) AND (Tbl1.[A] = Tbl2.[A]) > WHERE (Tbl2.A Is Null OR Tbl2.B Is Null) <--- Testing both seems not > necessary > > 'METHOD 3 > Select [Tbl1].[A] & "|" & [Tbl1].[B] as ResultX > From [Tbl1] > Where > [Tbl1].[A] & "|" & [Tbl1].[B] Not IN (Select [Tbl2].[A] & "|" & > [Tbl2].[B] as ResultY From [Tbl2]) > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From ab-mi at post3.tele.dk Thu Oct 13 16:30:59 2011 From: ab-mi at post3.tele.dk (Asger Blond) Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 23:30:59 +0200 Subject: [AccessD] Optimizing query when select part requires acalculation In-Reply-To: References: <004b01cc8201$8fc0d7e0$af4287a0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Did you make some performance tests using this method? IMO your method is just a kind of manually construction of what the query optimizer automatically does for you when use an IN clause. And my guess is that the query optimizer would do the job more efficient. Asger -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Arthur Fuller Sendt: 13. oktober 2011 16:41 Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Emne: Re: [AccessD] Optimizing query when select part requires acalculation Pursuant to IN(). An often-preferred alternative is to create a temp-table consisting of the values contained within the IN(), and then to join this to the real tables. The time taken to construct the temp-table is negligible. Once it's created, the natural joins do all the heavy lifting for you. Since you want to join on multiple columns, I suggest that you create a calculated (virtual) column on both tables, and then do the join on those columns. It might require a little addition to your documentation, but it cleans up the mess rather nicely, IMO. HTH, Arthur -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From davidmcafee at gmail.com Thu Oct 13 16:41:00 2011 From: davidmcafee at gmail.com (David McAfee) Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 14:41:00 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Optimizing query when select part requires acalculation In-Reply-To: References: <004b01cc8201$8fc0d7e0$af4287a0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: I have read that NOTIN() Can give erroneous results, but I forget why at the moment. I'm guilty of using it too :/ On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 2:30 PM, Asger Blond wrote: > Did you make some performance tests using this method? > IMO your method is just a kind of manually construction of what the query > optimizer automatically does for you when use an IN clause. And my guess is > that the query optimizer would do the job more efficient. > Asger > > -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- > Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto: > accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Arthur Fuller > Sendt: 13. oktober 2011 16:41 > Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Emne: Re: [AccessD] Optimizing query when select part requires acalculation > > Pursuant to IN(). An often-preferred alternative is to create a temp-table > consisting of the values contained within the IN(), and then to join this > to > the real tables. The time taken to construct the temp-table is negligible. > Once it's created, the natural joins do all the heavy lifting for you. > > Since you want to join on multiple columns, I suggest that you create a > calculated (virtual) column on both tables, and then do the join on those > columns. It might require a little addition to your documentation, but it > cleans up the mess rather nicely, IMO. > > HTH, > Arthur > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From ab-mi at post3.tele.dk Thu Oct 13 17:02:38 2011 From: ab-mi at post3.tele.dk (Asger Blond) Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2011 00:02:38 +0200 Subject: [AccessD] Optimizing query when select part requiresacalculation In-Reply-To: References: <004b01cc8201$8fc0d7e0$af4287a0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <9357134BE7F641A5AAD46149B2FD8C50@abpc> David, Don't disseminate rumors... Maybe you just NOT have it IN. Couldn?t resist and no offence meant ;-) Asger -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af David McAfee Sendt: 13. oktober 2011 23:41 Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Emne: Re: [AccessD] Optimizing query when select part requiresacalculation I have read that NOTIN() Can give erroneous results, but I forget why at the moment. I'm guilty of using it too :/ On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 2:30 PM, Asger Blond wrote: > Did you make some performance tests using this method? > IMO your method is just a kind of manually construction of what the query > optimizer automatically does for you when use an IN clause. And my guess is > that the query optimizer would do the job more efficient. > Asger > > -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- > Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto: > accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Arthur Fuller > Sendt: 13. oktober 2011 16:41 > Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Emne: Re: [AccessD] Optimizing query when select part requires acalculation > > Pursuant to IN(). An often-preferred alternative is to create a temp-table > consisting of the values contained within the IN(), and then to join this > to > the real tables. The time taken to construct the temp-table is negligible. > Once it's created, the natural joins do all the heavy lifting for you. > > Since you want to join on multiple columns, I suggest that you create a > calculated (virtual) column on both tables, and then do the join on those > columns. It might require a little addition to your documentation, but it > cleans up the mess rather nicely, IMO. > > HTH, > Arthur > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From davidmcafee at gmail.com Thu Oct 13 17:19:12 2011 From: davidmcafee at gmail.com (David McAfee) Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 15:19:12 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Optimizing query when select part requiresacalculation In-Reply-To: <9357134BE7F641A5AAD46149B2FD8C50@abpc> References: <004b01cc8201$8fc0d7e0$af4287a0$@gmail.com> <9357134BE7F641A5AAD46149B2FD8C50@abpc> Message-ID: Did you feel that? Feel what? :) On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 3:02 PM, Asger Blond wrote: > David, > Don't disseminate rumors... > Maybe you just NOT have it IN. > Couldn?t resist and no offence meant ;-) > Asger > > -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- > Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto: > accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af David McAfee > Sendt: 13. oktober 2011 23:41 > Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Emne: Re: [AccessD] Optimizing query when select part requiresacalculation > > I have read that NOTIN() Can give erroneous results, but I forget why at > the > moment. > > I'm guilty of using it too :/ > > > > On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 2:30 PM, Asger Blond wrote: > > > Did you make some performance tests using this method? > > IMO your method is just a kind of manually construction of what the query > > optimizer automatically does for you when use an IN clause. And my guess > is > > that the query optimizer would do the job more efficient. > > Asger > > > > -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- > > Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto: > > accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Arthur Fuller > > Sendt: 13. oktober 2011 16:41 > > Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > > Emne: Re: [AccessD] Optimizing query when select part requires > acalculation > > > > Pursuant to IN(). An often-preferred alternative is to create a > temp-table > > consisting of the values contained within the IN(), and then to join this > > to > > the real tables. The time taken to construct the temp-table is > negligible. > > Once it's created, the natural joins do all the heavy lifting for you. > > > > Since you want to join on multiple columns, I suggest that you create a > > calculated (virtual) column on both tables, and then do the join on those > > columns. It might require a little addition to your documentation, but it > > cleans up the mess rather nicely, IMO. > > > > HTH, > > Arthur > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From ab-mi at post3.tele.dk Thu Oct 13 17:40:10 2011 From: ab-mi at post3.tele.dk (Asger Blond) Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2011 00:40:10 +0200 Subject: [AccessD] Optimizing query when select part requiresacalculation In-Reply-To: References: <004b01cc8201$8fc0d7e0$af4287a0$@gmail.com><9357134BE7F641A5AAD46149B2FD8C50@abpc> Message-ID: Well, I wasn't writing about feelings. But when asked so frankly then: Certainly NOT... Asger -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af David McAfee Sendt: 14. oktober 2011 00:19 Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Emne: Re: [AccessD] Optimizing query when select part requiresacalculation Did you feel that? Feel what? :) On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 3:02 PM, Asger Blond wrote: > David, > Don't disseminate rumors... > Maybe you just NOT have it IN. > Couldn?t resist and no offence meant ;-) > Asger > > -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- > Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto: > accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af David McAfee > Sendt: 13. oktober 2011 23:41 > Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Emne: Re: [AccessD] Optimizing query when select part requiresacalculation > > I have read that NOTIN() Can give erroneous results, but I forget why at > the > moment. > > I'm guilty of using it too :/ > > > > On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 2:30 PM, Asger Blond wrote: > > > Did you make some performance tests using this method? > > IMO your method is just a kind of manually construction of what the query > > optimizer automatically does for you when use an IN clause. And my guess > is > > that the query optimizer would do the job more efficient. > > Asger > > > > -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- > > Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto: > > accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Arthur Fuller > > Sendt: 13. oktober 2011 16:41 > > Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > > Emne: Re: [AccessD] Optimizing query when select part requires > acalculation > > > > Pursuant to IN(). An often-preferred alternative is to create a > temp-table > > consisting of the values contained within the IN(), and then to join this > > to > > the real tables. The time taken to construct the temp-table is > negligible. > > Once it's created, the natural joins do all the heavy lifting for you. > > > > Since you want to join on multiple columns, I suggest that you create a > > calculated (virtual) column on both tables, and then do the join on those > > columns. It might require a little addition to your documentation, but it > > cleans up the mess rather nicely, IMO. > > > > HTH, > > Arthur > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From davidmcafee at gmail.com Thu Oct 13 17:44:45 2011 From: davidmcafee at gmail.com (David McAfee) Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 15:44:45 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Optimizing query when select part requiresacalculation In-Reply-To: References: <004b01cc8201$8fc0d7e0$af4287a0$@gmail.com> <9357134BE7F641A5AAD46149B2FD8C50@abpc> Message-ID: :) Here's how Nulls affect NOTIN() http://www.simple-talk.com/sql/t-sql-programming/ten-common-sql-programming-mistakes/ On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 3:40 PM, Asger Blond wrote: > > Well, I wasn't writing about feelings. But when asked so frankly then: > Certainly NOT... > Asger > > -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- > Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto: > accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af David McAfee > Sendt: 14. oktober 2011 00:19 > Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Emne: Re: [AccessD] Optimizing query when select part requiresacalculation > > Did you feel that? > > Feel what? :) > > > > On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 3:02 PM, Asger Blond wrote: > > > David, > > Don't disseminate rumors... > > Maybe you just NOT have it IN. > > Couldn?t resist and no offence meant ;-) > > Asger > > > > -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- > > Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto: > > accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af David McAfee > > Sendt: 13. oktober 2011 23:41 > > Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > > Emne: Re: [AccessD] Optimizing query when select part > requiresacalculation > > > > I have read that NOTIN() Can give erroneous results, but I forget why at > > the > > moment. > > > > I'm guilty of using it too :/ > > > > > > > > On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 2:30 PM, Asger Blond > wrote: > > > > > Did you make some performance tests using this method? > > > IMO your method is just a kind of manually construction of what the > query > > > optimizer automatically does for you when use an IN clause. And my > guess > > is > > > that the query optimizer would do the job more efficient. > > > Asger > > > > > > -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- > > > Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto: > > > accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Arthur Fuller > > > Sendt: 13. oktober 2011 16:41 > > > Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > > > Emne: Re: [AccessD] Optimizing query when select part requires > > acalculation > > > > > > Pursuant to IN(). An often-preferred alternative is to create a > > temp-table > > > consisting of the values contained within the IN(), and then to join > this > > > to > > > the real tables. The time taken to construct the temp-table is > > negligible. > > > Once it's created, the natural joins do all the heavy lifting for you. > > > > > > Since you want to join on multiple columns, I suggest that you create a > > > calculated (virtual) column on both tables, and then do the join on > those > > > columns. It might require a little addition to your documentation, but > it > > > cleans up the mess rather nicely, IMO. > > > > > > HTH, > > > Arthur > > > -- > > > AccessD mailing list > > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > > -- > > > AccessD mailing list > > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From ab-mi at post3.tele.dk Fri Oct 14 07:08:30 2011 From: ab-mi at post3.tele.dk (Asger Blond) Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2011 14:08:30 +0200 Subject: [AccessD] Optimizing query when select part requiresacalculation In-Reply-To: References: <004b01cc8201$8fc0d7e0$af4287a0$@gmail.com><9357134BE7F641A5AAD46149B2FD8C50@abpc> Message-ID: Thank for pointing out the paper - excellent, should be mandatory reading for all SQL programmers! Asger -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af David McAfee Sendt: 14. oktober 2011 00:45 Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Emne: Re: [AccessD] Optimizing query when select part requiresacalculation :) Here's how Nulls affect NOTIN() http://www.simple-talk.com/sql/t-sql-programming/ten-common-sql-programming-mistakes/ On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 3:40 PM, Asger Blond wrote: > > Well, I wasn't writing about feelings. But when asked so frankly then: > Certainly NOT... > Asger > > -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- > Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto: > accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af David McAfee > Sendt: 14. oktober 2011 00:19 > Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Emne: Re: [AccessD] Optimizing query when select part requiresacalculation > > Did you feel that? > > Feel what? :) > > > > On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 3:02 PM, Asger Blond wrote: > > > David, > > Don't disseminate rumors... > > Maybe you just NOT have it IN. > > Couldn?t resist and no offence meant ;-) > > Asger > > > > -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- > > Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto: > > accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af David McAfee > > Sendt: 13. oktober 2011 23:41 > > Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > > Emne: Re: [AccessD] Optimizing query when select part > requiresacalculation > > > > I have read that NOTIN() Can give erroneous results, but I forget why at > > the > > moment. > > > > I'm guilty of using it too :/ > > > > > > > > On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 2:30 PM, Asger Blond > wrote: > > > > > Did you make some performance tests using this method? > > > IMO your method is just a kind of manually construction of what the > query > > > optimizer automatically does for you when use an IN clause. And my > guess > > is > > > that the query optimizer would do the job more efficient. > > > Asger > > > > > > -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- > > > Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto: > > > accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Arthur Fuller > > > Sendt: 13. oktober 2011 16:41 > > > Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > > > Emne: Re: [AccessD] Optimizing query when select part requires > > acalculation > > > > > > Pursuant to IN(). An often-preferred alternative is to create a > > temp-table > > > consisting of the values contained within the IN(), and then to join > this > > > to > > > the real tables. The time taken to construct the temp-table is > > negligible. > > > Once it's created, the natural joins do all the heavy lifting for you. > > > > > > Since you want to join on multiple columns, I suggest that you create a > > > calculated (virtual) column on both tables, and then do the join on > those > > > columns. It might require a little addition to your documentation, but > it > > > cleans up the mess rather nicely, IMO. > > > > > > HTH, > > > Arthur > > > -- > > > AccessD mailing list > > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > > -- > > > AccessD mailing list > > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Fri Oct 14 08:52:27 2011 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2011 09:52:27 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Optimizing query when select part requires acalculation In-Reply-To: <597195726B444DA89560BE2B9650AFE7@abpc> References: <004b01cc8201$8fc0d7e0$af4287a0$@gmail.com> <597195726B444DA89560BE2B9650AFE7@abpc> Message-ID: I stand corrected. Thanks for this. Arthur On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 4:59 PM, Asger Blond wrote: > Arthur, > You wrote: > >> Any IN() or NOT IN() expression forces a full table scan, > >> regardless of the indexes available... > This is simply not true. If the subquery in an IN clause have a WHERE > condition on an indexed column then this index will certainly be used in a > SEEK operation if the index is considered useful for the query optimizer. It > will be used in exactly the same way as when the statement enclosed in the > IN clause is run separately. > Asger > > From rlister at actuarial-files.com Fri Oct 14 20:07:50 2011 From: rlister at actuarial-files.com (Ralf Lister) Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2011 21:07:50 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Where Condition in DoCmd.OpenReport Message-ID: <000601cc8ad6$dea8f170$9bfad450$@com> Hello, I want to print a report whose recordsource is a query. This very query has four records. One has in the field AAA a number stored. In the remaining three records the field AAA is empty. I want to print the report only for the record whose field AAA has a number stored. Therefore I set the WhereCondition in the "DoCmd.OpenReport" command to "IsNumeric(Me!AAA)". But it didn't work as expected. What did I do wrong? TIA and Saludos Actuary Ralf Lister La Paz, Bolivia From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Fri Oct 14 20:15:06 2011 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2011 11:15:06 +1000 Subject: [AccessD] Where Condition in DoCmd.OpenReport In-Reply-To: <000601cc8ad6$dea8f170$9bfad450$@com> References: <000601cc8ad6$dea8f170$9bfad450$@com> Message-ID: <4E98DE9A.2631.A065DFB@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> IsNumeric returns True for NULLs. Try ISNULL(). -- Stuart On 14 Oct 2011 at 21:07, Ralf Lister wrote: > Hello, > > I want to print a report whose recordsource is a query. This very > query has four records. One has in the field AAA a number stored. In > the remaining three records the field AAA is empty. I want to print > the report only for the record whose field AAA has a number stored. > > Therefore I set the WhereCondition in the "DoCmd.OpenReport" command > to "IsNumeric(Me!AAA)". But it didn't work as expected. What did I do > wrong? > > TIA and Saludos > Actuary Ralf Lister > La Paz, Bolivia > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From steve at datamanagementsolutions.biz Sat Oct 15 03:09:03 2011 From: steve at datamanagementsolutions.biz (Steve Schapel) Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2011 21:09:03 +1300 Subject: [AccessD] Where Condition in DoCmd.OpenReport In-Reply-To: <000601cc8ad6$dea8f170$9bfad450$@com> References: <000601cc8ad6$dea8f170$9bfad450$@com> Message-ID: <7CA60D9B36EE4310B57B6FBB13C27291@stevelaptop> Ralf In addition to Stuart's suggestion, I think the 'Me!' is also not correct. I would try your Where Condition argument as: "[AAA] Is Not Null" Regards Steve -----Original Message----- From: Ralf Lister Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2011 2:07 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: [AccessD] Where Condition in DoCmd.OpenReport Hello, I want to print a report whose recordsource is a query. This very query has four records. One has in the field AAA a number stored. In the remaining three records the field AAA is empty. I want to print the report only for the record whose field AAA has a number stored. Therefore I set the WhereCondition in the "DoCmd.OpenReport" command to "IsNumeric(Me!AAA)". But it didn't work as expected. What did I do wrong? TIA and Saludos Actuary Ralf Lister La Paz, Bolivia From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Sat Oct 15 08:42:33 2011 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2011 09:42:33 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Death of a giant Message-ID: <4E998DC9.8000206@colbyconsulting.com> http://arstechnica.com/business/news/2011/10/dennis-ritchie-the-giant-whose-shoulders-we-stand-on.ars -- John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it From rbgajewski at roadrunner.com Sat Oct 15 10:58:56 2011 From: rbgajewski at roadrunner.com (Bob Gajewski) Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2011 11:58:56 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Record navigation - find versus new Message-ID: <2A7C913116664297953CD35264C19070@7B440585K> Hi All I am having trouble with what is probably one of the most basic functions, but I just can't figure it out and would really appreciate if someone could point me in the right direction. I have a data entry form, with one of the key fields called TransactionsEntryNumber (text, length=8, required, indexed, duplicates not allowed). I am trying to write the code so that when a user types in an entry number, the code looks to see if it exists ... if it does, go to the existing record ... if not, continue to the next field as a new record. Private Sub TransactionsEntryNumber_Exit(Cancel As Integer) If IsNull(TransactionsEntryNumber) Or TransactionsEntryNumber = "" Then Dim Msg As String, Response As Integer Msg = "Do you want to have an entry number assigned?" Response = MsgBox(Msg, vbYesNo + vbQuestion + vbDefaultButton1, "Entry Number Assignment") If Response = vbYes Then TransactionsEntryNumber = fAssignEntryNumber(TransactionsFilerCodeID.Column(1), DMax("TransactionsEntryNumber", "tblTransactions"), 1) Else Cancel = True Exit Sub End If Else DoCmd.FindRecord TransactionsEntryNumber, acEntire, True, acSearchAll, True, acCurrent, True End If End Sub The 'new' part works perfectly ... probably because I'm starting the user in a new record: Private Sub Form_Open(Cancel As Integer) DoCmd.GoToRecord , , acNewRec End Sub ... it's the 'find' that keeps failing (error: unable to save; would create duplicate) Run-time error '3022': The changes you requested to the table were not successful because they would create duplicate values in the index, primary key, or relationship. Change the data in the field or fields that contain the duplicate data, remove the index, or redefine the index to permit duplicate entries and try again. Is it as simple as trapping the error? Or should I use two controls and stack them? Thanks, as usual Bob Gajewski From accessd at shaw.ca Sat Oct 15 11:22:56 2011 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2011 09:22:56 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Death of a giant In-Reply-To: <4E998DC9.8000206@colbyconsulting.com> References: <4E998DC9.8000206@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <6530143C07944FC8B24D3D3365D4139B@creativesystemdesigns.com> The DBA has been touched with death these weeks, first Drew, our brilliant local hacker, second, Steve the visionary and finally Dennis the founder. Jim -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2011 6:43 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: [AccessD] Death of a giant http://arstechnica.com/business/news/2011/10/dennis-ritchie-the-giant-whose- shoulders-we-stand-on.ars -- John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From charlotte.foust at gmail.com Sat Oct 15 11:57:27 2011 From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust) Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2011 09:57:27 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Record navigation - find versus new In-Reply-To: <2A7C913116664297953CD35264C19070@7B440585K> References: <2A7C913116664297953CD35264C19070@7B440585K> Message-ID: What are the Data Entry and Allow Edits properties on the form set to? Charlotte Foust On Sat, Oct 15, 2011 at 8:58 AM, Bob Gajewski wrote: > Hi All > > I am having trouble with what is probably one of the most basic functions, > but I just can't figure it out and would really appreciate if someone could > point me in the right direction. > > I have a data entry form, with one of the key fields called > TransactionsEntryNumber (text, length=8, required, indexed, duplicates not > allowed). I am trying to write the code so that when a user types in an > entry number, the code looks to see if it exists ... if it does, go to the > existing record ... if not, continue to the next field as a new record. > > > Private Sub TransactionsEntryNumber_Exit(Cancel As Integer) > If IsNull(TransactionsEntryNumber) Or TransactionsEntryNumber = "" Then > Dim Msg As String, Response As Integer > Msg = "Do you want to have an entry number assigned?" > Response = MsgBox(Msg, vbYesNo + vbQuestion + vbDefaultButton1, > "Entry Number Assignment") > If Response = vbYes Then > TransactionsEntryNumber = > fAssignEntryNumber(TransactionsFilerCodeID.Column(1), > DMax("TransactionsEntryNumber", "tblTransactions"), 1) > Else > Cancel = True > Exit Sub > End If > Else > DoCmd.FindRecord TransactionsEntryNumber, acEntire, True, > acSearchAll, True, acCurrent, True > End If > End Sub > > > The 'new' part works perfectly ... probably because I'm starting the user > in > a new record: > > Private Sub Form_Open(Cancel As Integer) > DoCmd.GoToRecord , , acNewRec > End Sub > > ... it's the 'find' that keeps failing (error: unable to save; would create > duplicate) > > > Run-time error '3022': > > The changes you requested to the table were not successful because they > would > create duplicate values in the index, primary key, or relationship. > Change the data > in the field or fields that contain the duplicate data, remove the > index, or redefine > the index to permit duplicate entries and try again. > > > Is it as simple as trapping the error? Or should I use two controls and > stack them? > > Thanks, as usual > Bob Gajewski > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > From steve at datamanagementsolutions.biz Sat Oct 15 14:08:22 2011 From: steve at datamanagementsolutions.biz (Steve Schapel) Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2011 08:08:22 +1300 Subject: [AccessD] Record navigation - find versus new In-Reply-To: <2A7C913116664297953CD35264C19070@7B440585K> References: <2A7C913116664297953CD35264C19070@7B440585K> Message-ID: <152A9688951040109DC62E911448EF03@stevelaptop> Bob The FindRecord action requires that the focus is on the control for the field being referenced. Therefore you are going to need this in your code: Me.TransactionsEntryNumber.SetFocus However, without trying it, I'm not sure exactly how this is going to go, given that your code relates to the Exit event of that very control. I don't think it will work to set focus to a control on its own Exit event. If it was mine, I would use an unbound textbox for the user to initially enter the number in, and use the After Update event of that control to run your code. If the number doesn't already exist, have your code write it to the TransactionsEntryNumber field. If it does, use SetFocus as mentioned above, prior to your FindRecord. (In both cases, have the code clear the unbound textbox: Me.MyTextbox = Null - to avoid confusion. In this type of scenario I normally have a different background colour for an unbound textbox or combobox, to make it clearer that it is for a special purpose.) Regards Steve -----Original Message----- From: Bob Gajewski Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2011 4:58 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: [AccessD] Record navigation - find versus new Hi All I am having trouble with what is probably one of the most basic functions, but I just can't figure it out and would really appreciate if someone could point me in the right direction. I have a data entry form, with one of the key fields called TransactionsEntryNumber (text, length=8, required, indexed, duplicates not allowed). I am trying to write the code so that when a user types in an entry number, the code looks to see if it exists ... if it does, go to the existing record ... if not, continue to the next field as a new record. Private Sub TransactionsEntryNumber_Exit(Cancel As Integer) If IsNull(TransactionsEntryNumber) Or TransactionsEntryNumber = "" Then Dim Msg As String, Response As Integer Msg = "Do you want to have an entry number assigned?" Response = MsgBox(Msg, vbYesNo + vbQuestion + vbDefaultButton1, "Entry Number Assignment") If Response = vbYes Then TransactionsEntryNumber = fAssignEntryNumber(TransactionsFilerCodeID.Column(1), DMax("TransactionsEntryNumber", "tblTransactions"), 1) Else Cancel = True Exit Sub End If Else DoCmd.FindRecord TransactionsEntryNumber, acEntire, True, acSearchAll, True, acCurrent, True End If End Sub The 'new' part works perfectly ... probably because I'm starting the user in a new record: Private Sub Form_Open(Cancel As Integer) DoCmd.GoToRecord , , acNewRec End Sub ... it's the 'find' that keeps failing (error: unable to save; would create duplicate) Run-time error '3022': The changes you requested to the table were not successful because they would create duplicate values in the index, primary key, or relationship. Change the data in the field or fields that contain the duplicate data, remove the index, or redefine the index to permit duplicate entries and try again. Is it as simple as trapping the error? Or should I use two controls and stack them? Thanks, as usual Bob Gajewski From rbgajewski at roadrunner.com Sat Oct 15 15:43:10 2011 From: rbgajewski at roadrunner.com (Bob Gajewski) Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2011 16:43:10 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Record navigation - find versus new In-Reply-To: References: <2A7C913116664297953CD35264C19070@7B440585K> Message-ID: <025C543E420E422394F127540570AD84@7B440585K> DataEntry = No AllowEdits = Yes -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2011 12:57 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Record navigation - find versus new What are the Data Entry and Allow Edits properties on the form set to? Charlotte Foust On Sat, Oct 15, 2011 at 8:58 AM, Bob Gajewski wrote: > Hi All > > I am having trouble with what is probably one of the most basic > functions, but I just can't figure it out and would really appreciate > if someone could point me in the right direction. > > I have a data entry form, with one of the key fields called > TransactionsEntryNumber (text, length=8, required, indexed, duplicates > not allowed). I am trying to write the code so that when a user types > in an entry number, the code looks to see if it exists ... if it does, > go to the existing record ... if not, continue to the next field as a new record. > > > Private Sub TransactionsEntryNumber_Exit(Cancel As Integer) > If IsNull(TransactionsEntryNumber) Or TransactionsEntryNumber = "" Then > Dim Msg As String, Response As Integer > Msg = "Do you want to have an entry number assigned?" > Response = MsgBox(Msg, vbYesNo + vbQuestion + vbDefaultButton1, > "Entry Number Assignment") > If Response = vbYes Then > TransactionsEntryNumber = > fAssignEntryNumber(TransactionsFilerCodeID.Column(1), > DMax("TransactionsEntryNumber", "tblTransactions"), 1) > Else > Cancel = True > Exit Sub > End If > Else > DoCmd.FindRecord TransactionsEntryNumber, acEntire, True, > acSearchAll, True, acCurrent, True > End If > End Sub > > > The 'new' part works perfectly ... probably because I'm starting the > user in a new record: > > Private Sub Form_Open(Cancel As Integer) > DoCmd.GoToRecord , , acNewRec > End Sub > > ... it's the 'find' that keeps failing (error: unable to save; would > create > duplicate) > > > Run-time error '3022': > > The changes you requested to the table were not successful because > they would > create duplicate values in the index, primary key, or relationship. > Change the data > in the field or fields that contain the duplicate data, remove the > index, or redefine > the index to permit duplicate entries and try again. > > > Is it as simple as trapping the error? Or should I use two controls > and stack them? > > Thanks, as usual > Bob Gajewski > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From charlotte.foust at gmail.com Sat Oct 15 17:51:20 2011 From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust) Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2011 15:51:20 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Record navigation - find versus new In-Reply-To: <025C543E420E422394F127540570AD84@7B440585K> References: <2A7C913116664297953CD35264C19070@7B440585K> <025C543E420E422394F127540570AD84@7B440585K> Message-ID: So after the find, the values in the found record are displayed in the form? If not, it t sounds like you might have AllowAdditions set to Yes, in which case, you are trying to create a duplicate record even if you don't intend to. DataEntry is only in effect if AllowAdditions is turned on IIRRC. Charlotte Foust On Sat, Oct 15, 2011 at 1:43 PM, Bob Gajewski wrote: > DataEntry = No > AllowEdits = Yes > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust > Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2011 12:57 PM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Record navigation - find versus new > > What are the Data Entry and Allow Edits properties on the form set to? > > Charlotte Foust > On Sat, Oct 15, 2011 at 8:58 AM, Bob Gajewski > wrote: > > > Hi All > > > > I am having trouble with what is probably one of the most basic > > functions, but I just can't figure it out and would really appreciate > > if someone could point me in the right direction. > > > > I have a data entry form, with one of the key fields called > > TransactionsEntryNumber (text, length=8, required, indexed, duplicates > > not allowed). I am trying to write the code so that when a user types > > in an entry number, the code looks to see if it exists ... if it does, > > go to the existing record ... if not, continue to the next field as a new > record. > > > > > > Private Sub TransactionsEntryNumber_Exit(Cancel As Integer) > > If IsNull(TransactionsEntryNumber) Or TransactionsEntryNumber = "" > Then > > Dim Msg As String, Response As Integer > > Msg = "Do you want to have an entry number assigned?" > > Response = MsgBox(Msg, vbYesNo + vbQuestion + vbDefaultButton1, > > "Entry Number Assignment") > > If Response = vbYes Then > > TransactionsEntryNumber = > > fAssignEntryNumber(TransactionsFilerCodeID.Column(1), > > DMax("TransactionsEntryNumber", "tblTransactions"), 1) > > Else > > Cancel = True > > Exit Sub > > End If > > Else > > DoCmd.FindRecord TransactionsEntryNumber, acEntire, True, > > acSearchAll, True, acCurrent, True > > End If > > End Sub > > > > > > The 'new' part works perfectly ... probably because I'm starting the > > user in a new record: > > > > Private Sub Form_Open(Cancel As Integer) > > DoCmd.GoToRecord , , acNewRec > > End Sub > > > > ... it's the 'find' that keeps failing (error: unable to save; would > > create > > duplicate) > > > > > > Run-time error '3022': > > > > The changes you requested to the table were not successful because > > they would > > create duplicate values in the index, primary key, or relationship. > > Change the data > > in the field or fields that contain the duplicate data, remove the > > index, or redefine > > the index to permit duplicate entries and try again. > > > > > > Is it as simple as trapping the error? Or should I use two controls > > and stack them? > > > > Thanks, as usual > > Bob Gajewski > > > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > > > > > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > From marksimms at verizon.net Sat Oct 15 18:50:43 2011 From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms) Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2011 19:50:43 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Death of a giant In-Reply-To: <4E998DC9.8000206@colbyconsulting.com> References: <4E998DC9.8000206@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <001501cc8b95$40b9d410$c22d7c30$@net> Jobs was a huge proponent for Objective C...and he hated JAVA. From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Sat Oct 15 22:52:01 2011 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2011 23:52:01 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] For those in need Message-ID: <4E9A54E1.5020609@colbyconsulting.com> Who think my server is puny... http://www.nccs.gov/computing-resources/jaguar/access/ You too can do super computing. -- John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it From BradM at blackforestltd.com Sun Oct 16 16:13:38 2011 From: BradM at blackforestltd.com (Brad Marks) Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2011 16:13:38 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Data on Report does not match data in the Report's Record Source References: <4E9A54E1.5020609@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: All, I believe that this is the strangest thing I have ever seen in Access 2007. We have a purchased package which uses a Firebird Database. All of the tables are defined by the application vendor. We are able to access the Firebird tables from Access 2007 via ODBC. This combination has worked nicely in numerous tests that we have conducted over the past 2-3 months. A few days ago, I happened to notice that the data on one report does not match the data in the Report's Record Source (a query). I have conducted many tests on two different PCs and the results are consistent. The data on the report is correct, but the data in the underlying Record Source is not correct. If I look at the Access "Linked Table" (Which is stored in the Firebird Database), the data is not correct (but I can make it appear correct by doing a Refresh in Access). If I view the data with the Firebird Utility called "isql", the data is correct. I have spent many hours trying different things and running various tests (and pulling my hair out). In summary... Data on Report = Correct Data from Firebird "isql" utility = Correct Data in Report's Record Source (query) = Not Correct Data shown by viewing "Linked Table" = Not correct (although I can make it appear correct by doing a "Refresh" in Access) Data as viewed via the purchased application = Correct We have conducted many tests with the Firebird Database - Access 2007 combination over the past few months, so we have some experience, but not a huge amount. My latest theory is that the problem lies in the ODBC driver. This would explain why the data appears correct with isql but appears incorrect when initially viewed as an Access 2007 Linked Table. However, this still doesn't explain why the data on the report is correct when the data in the report's record source is incorrect. Has anyone ever heard of anything like this before? Has anyone worked with Access in combination with data from Firebird database tables? Thanks for your help, Brad From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Sun Oct 16 17:41:20 2011 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2011 08:41:20 +1000 Subject: [AccessD] Data on Report does not match data in the Report's Record Source In-Reply-To: References: <4E9A54E1.5020609@colbyconsulting.com>, Message-ID: <4E9B5D90.18431.13C654DB@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> If the structure of the Firebird table has changed, you should relink the tables. On 16 Oct 2011 at 16:13, Brad Marks wrote: > All, > > I believe that this is the strangest thing I have ever seen in Access > 2007. > > We have a purchased package which uses a Firebird Database. All of the > tables are defined by the application vendor. We are able to access > the Firebird tables from Access 2007 via ODBC. This combination has > worked nicely in numerous tests that we have conducted over the past > 2-3 months. > > A few days ago, I happened to notice that the data on one report does > not match the data in the Report's Record Source (a query). I have > conducted many tests on two different PCs and the results are > consistent. The data on the report is correct, but the data in the > underlying Record Source is not correct. If I look at the Access > "Linked Table" (Which is stored in the Firebird Database), the data is > not correct (but I can make it appear correct by doing a Refresh in > Access). > > If I view the data with the Firebird Utility called "isql", the data > is correct. > > I have spent many hours trying different things and running various > tests (and pulling my hair out). > > > In summary... > > Data on Report = Correct > > Data from Firebird "isql" utility = Correct > > Data in Report's Record Source (query) = Not Correct > > Data shown by viewing "Linked Table" = Not correct (although I can > make it appear correct by doing a "Refresh" in Access) > > Data as viewed via the purchased application = Correct > > We have conducted many tests with the Firebird Database - Access 2007 > combination over the past few months, so we have some experience, but > not a huge amount. > > My latest theory is that the problem lies in the ODBC driver. > > This would explain why the data appears correct with isql but appears > incorrect when initially viewed as an Access 2007 Linked Table. > > However, this still doesn't explain why the data on the report is > correct when the data in the report's record source is incorrect. > > Has anyone ever heard of anything like this before? > > Has anyone worked with Access in combination with data from Firebird > database tables? > > Thanks for your help, > > Brad > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From marksimms at verizon.net Sun Oct 16 19:27:21 2011 From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms) Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2011 20:27:21 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Data on Report does not match data in the Report's Record Source In-Reply-To: <4E9B5D90.18431.13C654DB@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: <4E9A54E1.5020609@colbyconsulting.com>, <4E9B5D90.18431.13C654DB@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <001e01cc8c63$8938be30$9baa3a90$@net> > If the structure of the Firebird table has changed, you should relink > the tables. If that doesn't solve the problem, then this is a BIG TIME bug that has snuck thru 2007-SP2. If that's true, I'll bet it has persisted in 2010. From jimdettman at verizon.net Sun Oct 16 19:59:36 2011 From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman) Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2011 20:59:36 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Data on Report does not match data in the Report's RecordSource In-Reply-To: References: <4E9A54E1.5020609@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: Watch out with reports; 2007 introduced Report View, which will show you odd data at times. Lots of strange things can happen there as most of the report events don't fire. If your depending on any code to support the report, you may see different things. Sounds like your problem is more then that though. I'd also look at database corruption; create a new DB and import everything into it, then see if you get the same results. If you do, that would be wild; I've never heard of anything even remotely close to this. I would also seriously doubt it could be wide spread as 2007 has now been out for over four years. It would be good if you could go into a little more detail on what it is your seeing. Ie. more records? Different field values for the same records? Keep us updated.... Jim. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brad Marks Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2011 05:14 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: [AccessD] Data on Report does not match data in the Report's RecordSource All, I believe that this is the strangest thing I have ever seen in Access 2007. We have a purchased package which uses a Firebird Database. All of the tables are defined by the application vendor. We are able to access the Firebird tables from Access 2007 via ODBC. This combination has worked nicely in numerous tests that we have conducted over the past 2-3 months. A few days ago, I happened to notice that the data on one report does not match the data in the Report's Record Source (a query). I have conducted many tests on two different PCs and the results are consistent. The data on the report is correct, but the data in the underlying Record Source is not correct. If I look at the Access "Linked Table" (Which is stored in the Firebird Database), the data is not correct (but I can make it appear correct by doing a Refresh in Access). If I view the data with the Firebird Utility called "isql", the data is correct. I have spent many hours trying different things and running various tests (and pulling my hair out). In summary... Data on Report = Correct Data from Firebird "isql" utility = Correct Data in Report's Record Source (query) = Not Correct Data shown by viewing "Linked Table" = Not correct (although I can make it appear correct by doing a "Refresh" in Access) Data as viewed via the purchased application = Correct We have conducted many tests with the Firebird Database - Access 2007 combination over the past few months, so we have some experience, but not a huge amount. My latest theory is that the problem lies in the ODBC driver. This would explain why the data appears correct with isql but appears incorrect when initially viewed as an Access 2007 Linked Table. However, this still doesn't explain why the data on the report is correct when the data in the report's record source is incorrect. Has anyone ever heard of anything like this before? Has anyone worked with Access in combination with data from Firebird database tables? Thanks for your help, Brad -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From BradM at blackforestltd.com Sun Oct 16 20:09:54 2011 From: BradM at blackforestltd.com (Brad Marks) Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2011 20:09:54 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Data on Report does not match data in the Report'sRecord Source References: <4E9A54E1.5020609@colbyconsulting.com>, <4E9B5D90.18431.13C654DB@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: Stuart, Thanks for the help. No, the structure of the Firebird tables has not changed. Brad -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2011 5:41 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Data on Report does not match data in the Report'sRecord Source If the structure of the Firebird table has changed, you should relink the tables. On 16 Oct 2011 at 16:13, Brad Marks wrote: > All, > > I believe that this is the strangest thing I have ever seen in Access > 2007. > > We have a purchased package which uses a Firebird Database. All of the > tables are defined by the application vendor. We are able to access > the Firebird tables from Access 2007 via ODBC. This combination has > worked nicely in numerous tests that we have conducted over the past > 2-3 months. > > A few days ago, I happened to notice that the data on one report does > not match the data in the Report's Record Source (a query). I have > conducted many tests on two different PCs and the results are > consistent. The data on the report is correct, but the data in the > underlying Record Source is not correct. If I look at the Access > "Linked Table" (Which is stored in the Firebird Database), the data is > not correct (but I can make it appear correct by doing a Refresh in > Access). > > If I view the data with the Firebird Utility called "isql", the data > is correct. > > I have spent many hours trying different things and running various > tests (and pulling my hair out). > > > In summary... > > Data on Report = Correct > > Data from Firebird "isql" utility = Correct > > Data in Report's Record Source (query) = Not Correct > > Data shown by viewing "Linked Table" = Not correct (although I can > make it appear correct by doing a "Refresh" in Access) > > Data as viewed via the purchased application = Correct > > We have conducted many tests with the Firebird Database - Access 2007 > combination over the past few months, so we have some experience, but > not a huge amount. > > My latest theory is that the problem lies in the ODBC driver. > > This would explain why the data appears correct with isql but appears > incorrect when initially viewed as an Access 2007 Linked Table. > > However, this still doesn't explain why the data on the report is > correct when the data in the report's record source is incorrect. > > Has anyone ever heard of anything like this before? > > Has anyone worked with Access in combination with data from Firebird > database tables? > > Thanks for your help, > > Brad > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. From BradM at blackforestltd.com Sun Oct 16 20:21:56 2011 From: BradM at blackforestltd.com (Brad Marks) Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2011 20:21:56 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Data on Report does not match data in the Report's RecordSource References: <4E9A54E1.5020609@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: > It would be good if you could go into a little more detail on what it is > your seeing. Ie. more records? Different field values for the same >records? Jim, Thanks for the help. Here is what I am seeing... I use the purchased application to add two records to one table. When I view the two records with an Access 2007 query, both records appear to be identical (this is NOT correct). When I view the two records with an Access 2007 report, the two records are correct (the data shown on the report is exactly what I entered into the application system). When I view the data in the two records via Firebird's isql utility, the data is correct. What I really can't understand is how the report can show the right data, but the record source for this very report shows incorrect data. Brad -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2011 8:00 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Data on Report does not match data in the Report's RecordSource Watch out with reports; 2007 introduced Report View, which will show you odd data at times. Lots of strange things can happen there as most of the report events don't fire. If your depending on any code to support the report, you may see different things. Sounds like your problem is more then that though. I'd also look at database corruption; create a new DB and import everything into it, then see if you get the same results. If you do, that would be wild; I've never heard of anything even remotely close to this. I would also seriously doubt it could be wide spread as 2007 has now been out for over four years. It would be good if you could go into a little more detail on what it is your seeing. Ie. more records? Different field values for the same records? Keep us updated.... Jim. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brad Marks Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2011 05:14 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: [AccessD] Data on Report does not match data in the Report's RecordSource All, I believe that this is the strangest thing I have ever seen in Access 2007. We have a purchased package which uses a Firebird Database. All of the tables are defined by the application vendor. We are able to access the Firebird tables from Access 2007 via ODBC. This combination has worked nicely in numerous tests that we have conducted over the past 2-3 months. A few days ago, I happened to notice that the data on one report does not match the data in the Report's Record Source (a query). I have conducted many tests on two different PCs and the results are consistent. The data on the report is correct, but the data in the underlying Record Source is not correct. If I look at the Access "Linked Table" (Which is stored in the Firebird Database), the data is not correct (but I can make it appear correct by doing a Refresh in Access). If I view the data with the Firebird Utility called "isql", the data is correct. I have spent many hours trying different things and running various tests (and pulling my hair out). In summary... Data on Report = Correct Data from Firebird "isql" utility = Correct Data in Report's Record Source (query) = Not Correct Data shown by viewing "Linked Table" = Not correct (although I can make it appear correct by doing a "Refresh" in Access) Data as viewed via the purchased application = Correct We have conducted many tests with the Firebird Database - Access 2007 combination over the past few months, so we have some experience, but not a huge amount. My latest theory is that the problem lies in the ODBC driver. This would explain why the data appears correct with isql but appears incorrect when initially viewed as an Access 2007 Linked Table. However, this still doesn't explain why the data on the report is correct when the data in the report's record source is incorrect. Has anyone ever heard of anything like this before? Has anyone worked with Access in combination with data from Firebird database tables? Thanks for your help, Brad -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. From BradM at blackforestltd.com Sun Oct 16 21:12:17 2011 From: BradM at blackforestltd.com (Brad Marks) Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2011 21:12:17 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Data on Report does not match data in the Report's RecordSource - Problem Resolved! References: <4E9A54E1.5020609@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: Oh Boy... Do I ever feel STUPID! Because of the suggestion, to Relink the Firebird table in question, I decided to do so. In the process of doing the Relink, Access displayed a message "To ensure data integrity and to update records, you must choose a field or fields that uniquely identify each record". As I understand it, the field(s) selected results in establishing the Primary Key on the Access side for the linked table. When doing the Relink, it dawned on me that I had earlier selected the wrong field to uniquely identify each record. I believe that this mistake resulted in the strange results that I was seeing. This mistake was mine. For a time, I thought that I had stumbled on some sort of bug, or angered the "ODBC gods" :-) Thanks again for the help. Once again, the advice given by others here in the AccessD forum has helped to resolve a problem (and keep me from pulling out even more of my hair). I really appreciate the help and advice that is provided on this forum. Sincerely, Brad -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brad Marks Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2011 8:22 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Data on Report does not match data in the Report'sRecordSource > It would be good if you could go into a little more detail on what it is > your seeing. Ie. more records? Different field values for the same >records? Jim, Thanks for the help. Here is what I am seeing... I use the purchased application to add two records to one table. When I view the two records with an Access 2007 query, both records appear to be identical (this is NOT correct). When I view the two records with an Access 2007 report, the two records are correct (the data shown on the report is exactly what I entered into the application system). When I view the data in the two records via Firebird's isql utility, the data is correct. What I really can't understand is how the report can show the right data, but the record source for this very report shows incorrect data. Brad -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2011 8:00 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Data on Report does not match data in the Report's RecordSource Watch out with reports; 2007 introduced Report View, which will show you odd data at times. Lots of strange things can happen there as most of the report events don't fire. If your depending on any code to support the report, you may see different things. Sounds like your problem is more then that though. I'd also look at database corruption; create a new DB and import everything into it, then see if you get the same results. If you do, that would be wild; I've never heard of anything even remotely close to this. I would also seriously doubt it could be wide spread as 2007 has now been out for over four years. It would be good if you could go into a little more detail on what it is your seeing. Ie. more records? Different field values for the same records? Keep us updated.... Jim. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brad Marks Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2011 05:14 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: [AccessD] Data on Report does not match data in the Report's RecordSource All, I believe that this is the strangest thing I have ever seen in Access 2007. We have a purchased package which uses a Firebird Database. All of the tables are defined by the application vendor. We are able to access the Firebird tables from Access 2007 via ODBC. This combination has worked nicely in numerous tests that we have conducted over the past 2-3 months. A few days ago, I happened to notice that the data on one report does not match the data in the Report's Record Source (a query). I have conducted many tests on two different PCs and the results are consistent. The data on the report is correct, but the data in the underlying Record Source is not correct. If I look at the Access "Linked Table" (Which is stored in the Firebird Database), the data is not correct (but I can make it appear correct by doing a Refresh in Access). If I view the data with the Firebird Utility called "isql", the data is correct. I have spent many hours trying different things and running various tests (and pulling my hair out). In summary... Data on Report = Correct Data from Firebird "isql" utility = Correct Data in Report's Record Source (query) = Not Correct Data shown by viewing "Linked Table" = Not correct (although I can make it appear correct by doing a "Refresh" in Access) Data as viewed via the purchased application = Correct We have conducted many tests with the Firebird Database - Access 2007 combination over the past few months, so we have some experience, but not a huge amount. My latest theory is that the problem lies in the ODBC driver. This would explain why the data appears correct with isql but appears incorrect when initially viewed as an Access 2007 Linked Table. However, this still doesn't explain why the data on the report is correct when the data in the report's record source is incorrect. Has anyone ever heard of anything like this before? Has anyone worked with Access in combination with data from Firebird database tables? Thanks for your help, Brad -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. From garykjos at gmail.com Sun Oct 16 22:34:35 2011 From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos) Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2011 22:34:35 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Data on Report does not match data in the Report's RecordSource - Problem Resolved! In-Reply-To: References: <4E9A54E1.5020609@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: Whew! I've had that same issue with Oracle ODBC data when I didn't specify the key's correctly when the link process didn't see them automatically. Glad you solved the mystery Brad. And thanks for letting us know. GK On Sun, Oct 16, 2011 at 9:12 PM, Brad Marks wrote: > Oh Boy... Do I ever feel STUPID! > > Because of the suggestion, to Relink the Firebird table in question, I > decided to do so. > > In the process of doing the Relink, Access displayed a message "To > ensure data integrity and to update records, you must choose a field or > fields that uniquely identify each record". > > As I understand it, the field(s) selected results in establishing the > Primary Key on the Access side for the linked table. > > When doing the Relink, it dawned on me that I had earlier selected the > wrong field to uniquely identify each record. ? I believe that this > mistake resulted in the strange results that I was seeing. > > This mistake was mine. ?For a time, I thought that I had stumbled on > some sort of bug, or angered the "ODBC gods" ? :-) > > > Thanks again for the help. ?Once again, the advice given by others here > in the AccessD forum has helped to resolve a problem (and keep me from > pulling out even more of my hair). > > I really appreciate the help and advice that is provided on this forum. > > Sincerely, > > Brad > -- Gary Kjos garykjos at gmail.com From vbacreations at gmail.com Mon Oct 17 02:42:29 2011 From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson (VBACreations.Com)) Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2011 03:42:29 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Data on Report does not match data in the Report's RecordSource - Problem Resolved! In-Reply-To: References: <4E9A54E1.5020609@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <002801cc8ca0$5336ad50$f9a407f0$@gmail.com> I have jumped in here and not read the entire thread (shame shame yeah well...) but this one line reminded me of some history I have with Oracle tables thru odbc and I got to wondering, what is a person to do when they have no idea whatsoever what (if any) up-to-10-fields represent a unique index on an oracle table or even *IF* there is a 10-field index which will represent a unique record? Is it better to leave the prompt unanswered rather than selecting 10 "I-think-these-will-do" fields? -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brad Marks Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2011 10:12 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Data on Report does not match data in the Report's RecordSource - Problem Resolved! Oh Boy... Do I ever feel STUPID! Because of the suggestion, to Relink the Firebird table in question, I decided to do so. In the process of doing the Relink, Access displayed a message "To ensure data integrity and to update records, you must choose a field or fields that uniquely identify each record". As I understand it, the field(s) selected results in establishing the Primary Key on the Access side for the linked table. When doing the Relink, it dawned on me that I had earlier selected the wrong field to uniquely identify each record. I believe that this mistake resulted in the strange results that I was seeing. This mistake was mine. For a time, I thought that I had stumbled on some sort of bug, or angered the "ODBC gods" :-) Thanks again for the help. Once again, the advice given by others here in the AccessD forum has helped to resolve a problem (and keep me from pulling out even more of my hair). I really appreciate the help and advice that is provided on this forum. Sincerely, Brad -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brad Marks Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2011 8:22 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Data on Report does not match data in the Report'sRecordSource > It would be good if you could go into a little more detail on what it is > your seeing. Ie. more records? Different field values for the same >records? Jim, Thanks for the help. Here is what I am seeing... I use the purchased application to add two records to one table. When I view the two records with an Access 2007 query, both records appear to be identical (this is NOT correct). When I view the two records with an Access 2007 report, the two records are correct (the data shown on the report is exactly what I entered into the application system). When I view the data in the two records via Firebird's isql utility, the data is correct. What I really can't understand is how the report can show the right data, but the record source for this very report shows incorrect data. Brad -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2011 8:00 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Data on Report does not match data in the Report's RecordSource Watch out with reports; 2007 introduced Report View, which will show you odd data at times. Lots of strange things can happen there as most of the report events don't fire. If your depending on any code to support the report, you may see different things. Sounds like your problem is more then that though. I'd also look at database corruption; create a new DB and import everything into it, then see if you get the same results. If you do, that would be wild; I've never heard of anything even remotely close to this. I would also seriously doubt it could be wide spread as 2007 has now been out for over four years. It would be good if you could go into a little more detail on what it is your seeing. Ie. more records? Different field values for the same records? Keep us updated.... Jim. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brad Marks Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2011 05:14 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: [AccessD] Data on Report does not match data in the Report's RecordSource All, I believe that this is the strangest thing I have ever seen in Access 2007. We have a purchased package which uses a Firebird Database. All of the tables are defined by the application vendor. We are able to access the Firebird tables from Access 2007 via ODBC. This combination has worked nicely in numerous tests that we have conducted over the past 2-3 months. A few days ago, I happened to notice that the data on one report does not match the data in the Report's Record Source (a query). I have conducted many tests on two different PCs and the results are consistent. The data on the report is correct, but the data in the underlying Record Source is not correct. If I look at the Access "Linked Table" (Which is stored in the Firebird Database), the data is not correct (but I can make it appear correct by doing a Refresh in Access). If I view the data with the Firebird Utility called "isql", the data is correct. I have spent many hours trying different things and running various tests (and pulling my hair out). In summary... Data on Report = Correct Data from Firebird "isql" utility = Correct Data in Report's Record Source (query) = Not Correct Data shown by viewing "Linked Table" = Not correct (although I can make it appear correct by doing a "Refresh" in Access) Data as viewed via the purchased application = Correct We have conducted many tests with the Firebird Database - Access 2007 combination over the past few months, so we have some experience, but not a huge amount. My latest theory is that the problem lies in the ODBC driver. This would explain why the data appears correct with isql but appears incorrect when initially viewed as an Access 2007 Linked Table. However, this still doesn't explain why the data on the report is correct when the data in the report's record source is incorrect. Has anyone ever heard of anything like this before? Has anyone worked with Access in combination with data from Firebird database tables? Thanks for your help, Brad -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Tue Oct 18 12:45:46 2011 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2011 13:45:46 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Known Bugs List in A2K7/10 Message-ID: Does anyone know of a known bug list for these two products? I am running into some very strange issues, and if they are known bugs then I can stop fighting them and just acknowledge that it's time to move on to a more solid platform. Weird screen behaviour, saved changes turn out not to be saved, etc. Very frustrating. Maybe it's time for a c# course. A. From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Tue Oct 18 13:16:31 2011 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2011 14:16:31 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Known Bugs List in A2K7/10 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4E9DC27F.20208@colbyconsulting.com> >Maybe it's time for a c# course. Uhhh yep. Regardless of the answer to your question. ;) John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it On 10/18/2011 1:45 PM, Arthur Fuller wrote: > Does anyone know of a known bug list for these two products? I am running > into some very strange issues, and if they are known bugs then I can stop > fighting them and just acknowledge that it's time to move on to a more solid > platform. Weird screen behaviour, saved changes turn out not to be saved, > etc. Very frustrating. Maybe it's time for a c# course. > > A. From charlotte.foust at gmail.com Tue Oct 18 13:25:43 2011 From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust) Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2011 11:25:43 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Known Bugs List in A2K7/10 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I can state without question that I hate Access 2010 even more than 2007. Particularly the report generator! Charlotte Foust On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 10:45 AM, Arthur Fuller wrote: > Does anyone know of a known bug list for these two products? I am running > into some very strange issues, and if they are known bugs then I can stop > fighting them and just acknowledge that it's time to move on to a more > solid > platform. Weird screen behaviour, saved changes turn out not to be saved, > etc. Very frustrating. Maybe it's time for a c# course. > > A. > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > From davidmcafee at gmail.com Tue Oct 18 13:28:24 2011 From: davidmcafee at gmail.com (David McAfee) Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2011 11:28:24 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Known Bugs List in A2K7/10 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Allen Browne site has a list (Sorry I don't have the link at the moment) I think A2010 SP1 (or was it Win7 Sp1, or both) had some weird issues. I have had some things that have been working for years suddenly break. I have also had some weird things happen that I haven't pin pointed yet, such as: A form launching a report in preview mode Pressing Print, prints the form behind the report, not the report itself. I thought the user was doing something wrong, but it has happened again to another user. I though the from / report were corrupt, so I wiped the FE from their computer and reinstalled it. Same issue. Reboot the box. Same issue. Came back to my desk to check a few things and go back and it was working again. weird. I've had other issues where I had to put CDATE() around a date field when comparing something such as: If Me.txtIncentiveStartDate = CDate(Me.lstHist.Column(3)) Then I had to change it to : If CDate(Me.txtIncentiveStartDate) = CDate(Me.lstHist.Column(3)) Then I've also had another issue where I had to change code that has worked for several years: If (SysCmd(acSysCmdAccessVer) = 14) Then Me.RecordSource = "EXEC dbo.stpItemDetHist " & Me.InputParameters Else Me.RecordSourceQualifier = "dbo" Me.RecordSource = "stpItemDetHist" End If On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 10:45 AM, Arthur Fuller wrote: > Does anyone know of a known bug list for these two products? I am running > into some very strange issues, and if they are known bugs then I can stop > fighting them and just acknowledge that it's time to move on to a more > solid > platform. Weird screen behaviour, saved changes turn out not to be saved, > etc. Very frustrating. Maybe it's time for a c# course. > > A. > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From BradM at blackforestltd.com Tue Oct 18 13:39:59 2011 From: BradM at blackforestltd.com (Brad Marks) Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2011 13:39:59 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Known Bugs List in A2K7/10 References: Message-ID: Charlotte, We are VERY dependent on Access 2007 Reports. There has been some talk about migrating to Access 2010. I am curious to learn what you are seeing in the area of report problems. Is the Access 2010 Report generator much different than the Access 2007 Report generator? Thanks, Brad ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2011 1:26 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Known Bugs List in A2K7/10 I can state without question that I hate Access 2010 even more than 2007. Particularly the report generator! Charlotte Foust On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 10:45 AM, Arthur Fuller wrote: > Does anyone know of a known bug list for these two products? I am running > into some very strange issues, and if they are known bugs then I can stop > fighting them and just acknowledge that it's time to move on to a more > solid > platform. Weird screen behaviour, saved changes turn out not to be saved, > etc. Very frustrating. Maybe it's time for a c# course. > > A. > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. From marksimms at verizon.net Tue Oct 18 14:05:41 2011 From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms) Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2011 15:05:41 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Known Bugs List in A2K7/10 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <002f01cc8dc8$eecfe780$cc6fb680$@net> Gang -the 2010 issue list is huge. Things like the CDate comparison are due to the changes made to VBA and the interpreter. Once they messed around with that, it opened up a whole can of worms. Indeed 2010 is like "Pandora's Box" for developers. Get this: User does an Undo on a bare form's record. They can easily add a new record right after that. But I cannot do the above in VBA !!! Took me 6 hours to determine how to work around it....and a Requery was necessary after each and every Undo so that a new record could be added. Tested and worked fine in 2007. Brad Marks or some other MSFT employee is tracking these issues on the social.msdn website. BUT, I seriously doubt you would get a chance to peak at the list. (you might faint !) From dbdoug at gmail.com Tue Oct 18 14:25:16 2011 From: dbdoug at gmail.com (Doug Steele) Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2011 12:25:16 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Known Bugs List in A2K7/10 In-Reply-To: <002f01cc8dc8$eecfe780$cc6fb680$@net> References: <002f01cc8dc8$eecfe780$cc6fb680$@net> Message-ID: Funnily enough, I've had virtually no problems running A2003 databases in A2010. Unlike A2007, which was a nightmare, especially for the first year or so. Doug On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 12:05 PM, Mark Simms wrote: > Gang -the 2010 issue list is huge. Things like the CDate comparison are due > to the changes made to VBA and the interpreter. > Once they messed around with that, it opened up a whole can of worms. > Indeed 2010 is like "Pandora's Box" for developers. > > Get this: User does an Undo on a bare form's record. They can easily add a > new record right after that. > But I cannot do the above in VBA !!! Took me 6 hours to determine how to > work around it....and a Requery was necessary after each and every Undo so > that a new record could be added. Tested and worked fine in 2007. > > Brad Marks or some other MSFT employee is tracking these issues on the > social.msdn website. > BUT, I seriously doubt you would get a chance to peak at the list. > (you might faint !) > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From marksimms at verizon.net Tue Oct 18 14:50:14 2011 From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms) Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2011 15:50:14 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Known Bugs List in A2K7/10 In-Reply-To: References: <002f01cc8dc8$eecfe780$cc6fb680$@net> Message-ID: <007401cc8dcf$27f84330$77e8c990$@net> Yeah, Doug, but you're probably not using any ACCDB 2007/2010 features like splitforms, etc. > Funnily enough, I've had virtually no problems running A2003 databases > in > A2010. Unlike A2007, which was a nightmare, especially for the first > year > or so. > > Doug > From charlotte.foust at gmail.com Tue Oct 18 15:05:53 2011 From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust) Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2011 13:05:53 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Known Bugs List in A2K7/10 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I didn't work much with 2007, but I've been using a 2010 accdb based on the contacts template to handle an invitation list for a friend. I wanted to print the Company name if it was Xyz Company and otherwise to print the email address on a report listing the contacts. In VB.Net, that would have been a no brainer. In Access, I could not find any way to change the visibility of a control on the subreport in the events of the subreport (parent report unbound), so I finally was forced to use the CanGrow/CanShrink properties to print both fields when they existed! I probably could have worked around it if I had wanted to struggle for hours with it, but I didn't. I could have gone unbound if I could have found the appropriate event to use to populate a label or some such, or I could have juggled subreports I guess. It was just so darn limiting, that I didn't bother. Charlotte Foust On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 11:39 AM, Brad Marks wrote: > Charlotte, > > We are VERY dependent on Access 2007 Reports. There has been some talk > about migrating to Access 2010. I am curious to learn what you are > seeing in the area of report problems. > > Is the Access 2010 Report generator much different than the Access 2007 > Report generator? > > Thanks, > Brad > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte > Foust > Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2011 1:26 PM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Known Bugs List in A2K7/10 > > I can state without question that I hate Access 2010 even more than > 2007. > Particularly the report generator! > > Charlotte Foust > > On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 10:45 AM, Arthur Fuller > wrote: > > > Does anyone know of a known bug list for these two products? I am > running > > into some very strange issues, and if they are known bugs then I can > stop > > fighting them and just acknowledge that it's time to move on to a more > > solid > > platform. Weird screen behaviour, saved changes turn out not to be > saved, > > etc. Very frustrating. Maybe it's time for a c# course. > > > > A. > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > > > > > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is > believed to be clean. > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > From BradM at blackforestltd.com Tue Oct 18 15:05:44 2011 From: BradM at blackforestltd.com (Brad Marks) Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2011 15:05:44 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Known Bugs List in A2K7/10 References: Message-ID: Charlotte, Thanks for the info. Brad -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2011 3:06 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Known Bugs List in A2K7/10 I didn't work much with 2007, but I've been using a 2010 accdb based on the contacts template to handle an invitation list for a friend. I wanted to print the Company name if it was Xyz Company and otherwise to print the email address on a report listing the contacts. In VB.Net, that would have been a no brainer. In Access, I could not find any way to change the visibility of a control on the subreport in the events of the subreport (parent report unbound), so I finally was forced to use the CanGrow/CanShrink properties to print both fields when they existed! I probably could have worked around it if I had wanted to struggle for hours with it, but I didn't. I could have gone unbound if I could have found the appropriate event to use to populate a label or some such, or I could have juggled subreports I guess. It was just so darn limiting, that I didn't bother. Charlotte Foust On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 11:39 AM, Brad Marks wrote: > Charlotte, > > We are VERY dependent on Access 2007 Reports. There has been some talk > about migrating to Access 2010. I am curious to learn what you are > seeing in the area of report problems. > > Is the Access 2010 Report generator much different than the Access 2007 > Report generator? > > Thanks, > Brad > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte > Foust > Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2011 1:26 PM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Known Bugs List in A2K7/10 > > I can state without question that I hate Access 2010 even more than > 2007. > Particularly the report generator! > > Charlotte Foust > > On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 10:45 AM, Arthur Fuller > wrote: > > > Does anyone know of a known bug list for these two products? I am > running > > into some very strange issues, and if they are known bugs then I can > stop > > fighting them and just acknowledge that it's time to move on to a more > > solid > > platform. Weird screen behaviour, saved changes turn out not to be > saved, > > etc. Very frustrating. Maybe it's time for a c# course. > > > > A. > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > > > > > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is > believed to be clean. > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. From charlotte.foust at gmail.com Tue Oct 18 15:10:39 2011 From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust) Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2011 13:10:39 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Known Bugs List in A2K7/10 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: By the way, does anyone know of a way to make the breakpoints in 2010 VBA actually work in a report? As of 2002, they did but I can't make it happen in 2010 and I don't have the earlier versions on this machine since the last Windows 7 reinstall. Charlotte Foust On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 1:05 PM, Charlotte Foust wrote: > I didn't work much with 2007, but I've been using a 2010 accdb based on the > contacts template to handle an invitation list for a friend. I wanted to > print the Company name if it was Xyz Company and otherwise to print the > email address on a report listing the contacts. In VB.Net, that would have > been a no brainer. In Access, I could not find any way to change the > visibility of a control on the subreport in the events of the subreport > (parent report unbound), so I finally was forced to use the > CanGrow/CanShrink properties to print both fields when they existed! I > probably could have worked around it if I had wanted to struggle for hours > with it, but I didn't. I could have gone unbound if I could have found the > appropriate event to use to populate a label or some such, or I could have > juggled subreports I guess. It was just so darn limiting, that I didn't > bother. > > Charlotte Foust > > On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 11:39 AM, Brad Marks wrote: > >> Charlotte, >> >> We are VERY dependent on Access 2007 Reports. There has been some talk >> about migrating to Access 2010. I am curious to learn what you are >> seeing in the area of report problems. >> >> Is the Access 2010 Report generator much different than the Access 2007 >> Report generator? >> >> Thanks, >> Brad >> >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte >> Foust >> Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2011 1:26 PM >> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving >> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Known Bugs List in A2K7/10 >> >> I can state without question that I hate Access 2010 even more than >> 2007. >> Particularly the report generator! >> >> Charlotte Foust >> >> On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 10:45 AM, Arthur Fuller >> wrote: >> >> > Does anyone know of a known bug list for these two products? I am >> running >> > into some very strange issues, and if they are known bugs then I can >> stop >> > fighting them and just acknowledge that it's time to move on to a more >> > solid >> > platform. Weird screen behaviour, saved changes turn out not to be >> saved, >> > etc. Very frustrating. Maybe it's time for a c# course. >> > >> > A. >> > -- >> > AccessD mailing list >> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >> >> >> >> > >> > >> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> >> >> > >> > >> > >> -- >> AccessD mailing list >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >> >> >> >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> >> >> >> -- >> This message has been scanned for viruses and >> dangerous content by MailScanner, and is >> believed to be clean. >> >> >> -- >> AccessD mailing list >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >> >> >> >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> >> >> > From BradM at blackforestltd.com Tue Oct 18 16:26:39 2011 From: BradM at blackforestltd.com (Brad Marks) Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2011 16:26:39 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Known Bugs List in A2K7/10 References: <002f01cc8dc8$eecfe780$cc6fb680$@net> Message-ID: > Brad Marks or some other MSFT employee is tracking these issues on the > social.msdn website. Could there be two people named "Brad Marks" with connections to MS Access issues? I work for a small manufacturing firm. My background (in a prior job) is in "Big Iron" (IBM Mainframes) and I am a relative newcomer to the world of Access and other Microsoft products. Brad Marks PS. I don't believe in reincarnation, but I might have in a prior life :-) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~ -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Simms Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2011 2:06 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Known Bugs List in A2K7/10 Gang -the 2010 issue list is huge. Things like the CDate comparison are due to the changes made to VBA and the interpreter. Once they messed around with that, it opened up a whole can of worms. Indeed 2010 is like "Pandora's Box" for developers. Get this: User does an Undo on a bare form's record. They can easily add a new record right after that. But I cannot do the above in VBA !!! Took me 6 hours to determine how to work around it....and a Requery was necessary after each and every Undo so that a new record could be added. Tested and worked fine in 2007. Brad Marks or some other MSFT employee is tracking these issues on the social.msdn website. BUT, I seriously doubt you would get a chance to peak at the list. (you might faint !) -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. From tinanfields at torchlake.com Tue Oct 18 17:01:00 2011 From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields) Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2011 18:01:00 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] We only notice the significant observations In-Reply-To: <002101cc8903$3a4e9f00$aeebdd00$@mattysconsulting.com> References: <9879741544574AB0827B9658FA8ACD4B@HAL9007> <00b001cc8834$4de2fc20$e9a8f460$@mattysconsulting.com> <4E956F0E.3070704@colbyconsulting.com> <001101cc88e9$fab22c40$f01684c0$@mattysconsulting.com> <002101cc8903$3a4e9f00$aeebdd00$@mattysconsulting.com> Message-ID: <4E9DF71C.6050802@torchlake.com> This was amazing! Thanks T Tina Norris Fields tinanfields at torchlake.com 231-322-2787 On 10/12/2011 1:20 PM, Michael Mattys wrote: > Wonderful stuff. > > http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/evolution/darwin-never-knew.html > http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/evolution/are-we-still-evolving.html > > Michael R Mattys > Mattys Consulting, LLC > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Michael Mattys > Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2011 10:20 AM > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > Subject: Re: [AccessD] We only notice the significant observations > > I enjoyed that 1995 speech by Steve Jobs, Arthur. > "Stay hungry, stay foolish." > > I would love to learn the programming language of adding information to DNA. > http://www.evolutionofdna.com/Evolution-Of-DNA.html > > Michael R Mattys > Mattys Consulting, LLC > www.mattysconsulting.com > > From tinanfields at torchlake.com Tue Oct 18 17:01:58 2011 From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields) Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2011 18:01:58 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] We only notice the significant observations In-Reply-To: <002901cc8912$808c5980$81a50c80$@mattysconsulting.com> References: <9879741544574AB0827B9658FA8ACD4B@HAL9007> <00b001cc8834$4de2fc20$e9a8f460$@mattysconsulting.com> <4E956F0E.3070704@colbyconsulting.com> <001101cc88e9$fab22c40$f01684c0$@mattysconsulting.com> <002101cc8903$3a4e9f00$aeebdd00$@mattysconsulting.com><4E95D587.5070908@colbyconsulting.com> <002901cc8912$808c5980$81a50c80$@mattysconsulting.com> Message-ID: <4E9DF756.2010100@torchlake.com> I did! Tina Norris Fields tinanfields at torchlake.com 231-322-2787 On 10/12/2011 3:09 PM, Michael Mattys wrote: > I didn't get anything from there that I didn't know already. > > Michael R Mattys > Mattys Consulting, LLC > www.mattysconsulting.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby > Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2011 2:00 PM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] We only notice the significant observations > > Indeed. We find truth in the strangest places. > > John W. Colby > Colby Consulting > > Reality is what refuses to go away > when you do not believe in it > > On 10/12/2011 1:20 PM, Michael Mattys wrote: >> Wonderful stuff. >> >> http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/evolution/darwin-never-knew.html >> http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/evolution/are-we-still-evolving.html >> >> Michael R Mattys >> Mattys Consulting, LLC >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Michael Mattys >> Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2011 10:20 AM >> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' >> Subject: Re: [AccessD] We only notice the significant observations >> >> I enjoyed that 1995 speech by Steve Jobs, Arthur. >> "Stay hungry, stay foolish." >> >> I would love to learn the programming language of adding information to > DNA. >> http://www.evolutionofdna.com/Evolution-Of-DNA.html >> >> Michael R Mattys >> Mattys Consulting, LLC >> www.mattysconsulting.com >> >> From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au Tue Oct 18 17:28:41 2011 From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins) Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2011 22:28:41 +0000 Subject: [AccessD] Known Bugs List in A2K7/10 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55BBD9A@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com> "Allen Browne site has a list" (both 2007 and 2010) <> Cheers Darryl. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of David McAfee Sent: Wednesday, 19 October 2011 5:28 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Known Bugs List in A2K7/10 Allen Browne site has a list (Sorry I don't have the link at the moment) I think A2010 SP1 (or was it Win7 Sp1, or both) had some weird issues. I have had some things that have been working for years suddenly break. I have also had some weird things happen that I haven't pin pointed yet, such as: A form launching a report in preview mode Pressing Print, prints the form behind the report, not the report itself. I thought the user was doing something wrong, but it has happened again to another user. I though the from / report were corrupt, so I wiped the FE from their computer and reinstalled it. Same issue. Reboot the box. Same issue. Came back to my desk to check a few things and go back and it was working again. weird. I've had other issues where I had to put CDATE() around a date field when comparing something such as: If Me.txtIncentiveStartDate = CDate(Me.lstHist.Column(3)) Then I had to change it to : If CDate(Me.txtIncentiveStartDate) = CDate(Me.lstHist.Column(3)) Then I've also had another issue where I had to change code that has worked for several years: If (SysCmd(acSysCmdAccessVer) = 14) Then Me.RecordSource = "EXEC dbo.stpItemDetHist " & Me.InputParameters Else Me.RecordSourceQualifier = "dbo" Me.RecordSource = "stpItemDetHist" End If On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 10:45 AM, Arthur Fuller wrote: > Does anyone know of a known bug list for these two products? I am running > into some very strange issues, and if they are known bugs then I can stop > fighting them and just acknowledge that it's time to move on to a more > solid > platform. Weird screen behaviour, saved changes turn out not to be saved, > etc. Very frustrating. Maybe it's time for a c# course. > > A. > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au Tue Oct 18 17:34:05 2011 From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins) Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2011 22:34:05 +0000 Subject: [AccessD] Known Bugs List in A2K7/10 In-Reply-To: <007401cc8dcf$27f84330$77e8c990$@net> References: <002f01cc8dc8$eecfe780$cc6fb680$@net> <007401cc8dcf$27f84330$77e8c990$@net> Message-ID: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55BBDAB@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com> I am with Doug, I prefer A2010 to A2007 which I find painful beast to use most of the time. in-elegant and clunky is how I best describe it - and freaking weird. It does some strange things from time to time. That said I haven't used split forms yet so who knows, I am sure there are monsters lurking out there on the edge of darkness. I do use 100% native accdb formats though. XL2010 on the other hand is rather nice to use. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Simms Sent: Wednesday, 19 October 2011 6:50 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Known Bugs List in A2K7/10 Yeah, Doug, but you're probably not using any ACCDB 2007/2010 features like splitforms, etc. > Funnily enough, I've had virtually no problems running A2003 databases > in > A2010. Unlike A2007, which was a nightmare, especially for the first > year > or so. > > Doug > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From michael at mattysconsulting.com Tue Oct 18 17:57:51 2011 From: michael at mattysconsulting.com (Michael Mattys) Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2011 18:57:51 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] We only notice the significant observations In-Reply-To: <4E9DF756.2010100@torchlake.com> References: <9879741544574AB0827B9658FA8ACD4B@HAL9007> <00b001cc8834$4de2fc20$e9a8f460$@mattysconsulting.com> <4E956F0E.3070704@colbyconsulting.com> <001101cc88e9$fab22c40$f01684c0$@mattysconsulting.com> <002101cc8903$3a4e9f00$aeebdd00$@mattysconsulting.com><4E95D587.5070908@colbyconsulting.com> <002901cc8912$808c5980$81a50c80$@mattysconsulting.com> <4E9DF756.2010100@torchlake.com> Message-ID: <000001cc8de9$5dcc2ca0$196485e0$@mattysconsulting.com> I'm glad you enjoyed it. It reminded me of one of my favorite shows, Star Trek. We watch all of the series for Enterprise, Voyager, DS9, Next Gen, and, of course, the Classic 60's version on NetFlix. I can't wait til they figure out what life actually is so that the transporter will work! Michael R Mattys Mattys Consulting, LLC www.mattysconsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina Norris Fields Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2011 6:02 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] We only notice the significant observations I did! Tina Norris Fields tinanfields at torchlake.com 231-322-2787 On 10/12/2011 3:09 PM, Michael Mattys wrote: > I didn't get anything from there that I didn't know already. > > Michael R Mattys > Mattys Consulting, LLC > www.mattysconsulting.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby > Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2011 2:00 PM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] We only notice the significant observations > > Indeed. We find truth in the strangest places. > > John W. Colby > Colby Consulting > > Reality is what refuses to go away > when you do not believe in it > > On 10/12/2011 1:20 PM, Michael Mattys wrote: >> Wonderful stuff. >> >> http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/evolution/darwin-never-knew.html >> http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/evolution/are-we-still-evolving.html >> >> Michael R Mattys >> Mattys Consulting, LLC >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Michael Mattys >> Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2011 10:20 AM >> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' >> Subject: Re: [AccessD] We only notice the significant observations >> >> I enjoyed that 1995 speech by Steve Jobs, Arthur. >> "Stay hungry, stay foolish." >> >> I would love to learn the programming language of adding information to > DNA. >> http://www.evolutionofdna.com/Evolution-Of-DNA.html >> >> Michael R Mattys >> Mattys Consulting, LLC >> www.mattysconsulting.com >> >> -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From marksimms at verizon.net Tue Oct 18 18:08:14 2011 From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms) Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2011 19:08:14 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Known Bugs List in A2K7/10 In-Reply-To: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55BBDAB@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com> References: <002f01cc8dc8$eecfe780$cc6fb680$@net> <007401cc8dcf$27f84330$77e8c990$@net> <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55BBDAB@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com> Message-ID: <00b301cc8dea$d0d586a0$728093e0$@net> No way. 2010 is way more pain than 2007. That being said, AC 2007 could easily be blown-up by simply moving form controls on a multipage control. The sheer number of complaints about 2010 on the social.msdn website forum for Access is pretty much the proof in the pudding so-to-speak. > I am with Doug, I prefer A2010 to A2007 which I find painful beast to > use most of the time. in-elegant and clunky is how I best describe it - > and freaking weird. It does some strange things from time to time. From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au Tue Oct 18 18:51:17 2011 From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins) Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2011 23:51:17 +0000 Subject: [AccessD] Known Bugs List in A2K7/10 In-Reply-To: <00b301cc8dea$d0d586a0$728093e0$@net> References: <002f01cc8dc8$eecfe780$cc6fb680$@net> <007401cc8dcf$27f84330$77e8c990$@net> <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55BBDAB@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com> <00b301cc8dea$d0d586a0$728093e0$@net> Message-ID: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55BBEF3@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com> Thanks Mark, Looks like am in for some future 'fun'. Right now I use A2007 80% of the time vs A2010 for the other 20%. Perhaps my current experience and feelings are based on this ratio rather than the actual issues in each individual product. I do find A2010 more finished and smooth to use, but that maybe because I don't push it around too much right now. Let just say I respect your (and everyone on this list) opinions and happy to listen to the (usually excellent) advice you all give on these matters. Cheers Darry. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Simms Sent: Wednesday, 19 October 2011 10:08 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Known Bugs List in A2K7/10 No way. 2010 is way more pain than 2007. That being said, AC 2007 could easily be blown-up by simply moving form controls on a multipage control. The sheer number of complaints about 2010 on the social.msdn website forum for Access is pretty much the proof in the pudding so-to-speak. > I am with Doug, I prefer A2010 to A2007 which I find painful beast to > use most of the time. in-elegant and clunky is how I best describe it - > and freaking weird. It does some strange things from time to time. -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Gustav at cactus.dk Wed Oct 19 03:14:40 2011 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2011 10:14:40 +0200 Subject: [AccessD] Known Bugs List in A2K7/10 Message-ID: Hi Mark and Darry and ... Oh my, what a frightening thread. You guys and Charlotte really scare one from ever touching development in Access 2007 or 2010. I never moved beyond 2003 ... then took a sharp right (pun and pun intended!) turn to .Net, C#, and Visual Studio. /gustav >>> darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au 19-10-2011 01:51 >>> Thanks Mark, Looks like am in for some future 'fun'. Right now I use A2007 80% of the time vs A2010 for the other 20%. Perhaps my current experience and feelings are based on this ratio rather than the actual issues in each individual product. I do find A2010 more finished and smooth to use, but that maybe because I don't push it around too much right now. Let just say I respect your (and everyone on this list) opinions and happy to listen to the (usually excellent) advice you all give on these matters. Cheers Darry. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Simms Sent: Wednesday, 19 October 2011 10:08 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Known Bugs List in A2K7/10 No way. 2010 is way more pain than 2007. That being said, AC 2007 could easily be blown-up by simply moving form controls on a multipage control. The sheer number of complaints about 2010 on the social.msdn website forum for Access is pretty much the proof in the pudding so-to-speak. > I am with Doug, I prefer A2010 to A2007 which I find painful beast to > use most of the time. in-elegant and clunky is how I best describe it - > and freaking weird. It does some strange things from time to time. From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Wed Oct 19 03:28:35 2011 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2011 18:28:35 +1000 Subject: [AccessD] Known Bugs List in A2K7/10 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4E9E8A33.5135.61C4375@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> I'm still developing primarily in 2003 and deploying the .mdbs on 07/10 installations. Generally it works seamlessly. -- Stuart On 19 Oct 2011 at 10:14, Gustav Brock wrote: > Hi Mark and Darry and ... > > Oh my, what a frightening thread. You guys and Charlotte really scare > one from ever touching development in Access 2007 or 2010. I never > moved beyond 2003 ... then took a sharp right (pun and pun intended!) > turn to .Net, C#, and Visual Studio. > > /gustav > > > >>> darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au 19-10-2011 01:51 >>> > Thanks Mark, > > Looks like am in for some future 'fun'. Right now I use A2007 80% of > the time vs A2010 for the other 20%. Perhaps my current experience > and feelings are based on this ratio rather than the actual issues in > each individual product. > > I do find A2010 more finished and smooth to use, but that maybe > because I don't push it around too much right now. > > Let just say I respect your (and everyone on this list) opinions and > happy to listen to the (usually excellent) advice you all give on > these matters. > > Cheers > Darry. > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Simms > Sent: Wednesday, 19 October 2011 10:08 AM To: 'Access Developers > discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Known Bugs List > in A2K7/10 > > No way. 2010 is way more pain than 2007. That being said, AC 2007 > could easily be blown-up by simply moving form controls on a multipage > control. The sheer number of complaints about 2010 on the social.msdn > website forum for Access is pretty much the proof in the pudding > so-to-speak. > > > I am with Doug, I prefer A2010 to A2007 which I find painful beast > > to use most of the time. in-elegant and clunky is how I best > > describe it - and freaking weird. It does some strange things from > > time to time. > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From marksimms at verizon.net Wed Oct 19 09:01:28 2011 From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms) Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2011 10:01:28 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Known Bugs List in A2K7/10 In-Reply-To: <4E9E8A33.5135.61C4375@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: <4E9E8A33.5135.61C4375@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <006d01cc8e67$994826c0$cbd87440$@net> If you are just porting an old AC2003 app, then it's OK. I'm referring to NEW DEVELOPMENT in 2010 using NEW FEATURES and/or trying tricky stuff. My "big problem" is that I've been mesmerized by the "feng shui" and new graphics of AC2007/2010. The ability to use efficient PNG files is very nice. In fact, I really shudder now when I see an older 2003 app....kinda "fuggly". To wit: I turned down a consulting gig when the IT department would not even spend 1 day testing the AC2007 runtime in a Citrix server environment. They said "you're stuck with 2003". I said "good bye". Just another "run-in" with the IT department. Having to deal with IT from the outside is very, very frustrating stuff. From dbdoug at gmail.com Wed Oct 19 09:26:43 2011 From: dbdoug at gmail.com (Doug Steele) Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2011 07:26:43 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Known Bugs List in A2K7/10 In-Reply-To: <006d01cc8e67$994826c0$cbd87440$@net> References: <4E9E8A33.5135.61C4375@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <006d01cc8e67$994826c0$cbd87440$@net> Message-ID: I didn't realize that A2010 has feng shui! Now, finally, Microsoft appears to be ahead of the curve. If I'd known that, I would have paid a lot more attention :) Doug On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 7:01 AM, Mark Simms wrote: > If you are just porting an old AC2003 app, then it's OK. > I'm referring to NEW DEVELOPMENT in 2010 using NEW FEATURES and/or trying > tricky stuff. > My "big problem" is that I've been mesmerized by the "feng shui" and new > graphics of AC2007/2010. > The ability to use efficient PNG files is very nice. > > In fact, I really shudder now when I see an older 2003 app....kinda > "fuggly". > To wit: I turned down a consulting gig when the IT department would not > even > spend 1 day testing the AC2007 runtime in a Citrix server environment. They > said "you're stuck with 2003". I said "good bye". Just another "run-in" > with > the IT department. Having to deal with IT from the outside is very, very > frustrating stuff. > > > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From guss at beechnutconsulting.com Wed Oct 19 10:25:20 2011 From: guss at beechnutconsulting.com (Guss Ginsburg) Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2011 10:25:20 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Data Collection via Email in Access 2007/10 Message-ID: <003301cc8e73$5158a950$f409fbf0$@beechnutconsulting.com> I am trying to implement a button on a form (for a call center application) so that when a case# is opened, you can click on the button and have it generate an HTML email form to the person being assigned the case, who may reply to the message with updates to specific fields on the form. When the user replies to the message it should update the specific record(s) upon hitting the designated folder in Outlook. I have been able to get this process to work once in a while when I use the External Data -> Data Collection feature on the ribbon. Lately, I have been getting messages that either the email addresses are null or invalid, or that there is no data for the records specified. Unfortunately, I did not think to capture the xml file upon one of the successful tries using the wizard. I have printed out a couple of versions of the AccessDCActionFile.xml, and perhaps I need help on what the xml file must look like in order to work as advertised. Once I get that down, I should be able to code the command button to generate xml that works. I am attaching the xml file, which I have reformatted to make it more readable. The attached file does not work. I am using Access 2010. I have set up a query based on the recordset that selects the records and fields that may be included on the html form, then walk through the wizard to generate the email form. I do not actually see the email form that was generated (unless I select the recipients from my Outlook contacts folder). I have a suspicion that the problem may be something in the xml being generated, but don't know what it should look like exactly. Any ideas? Thank you very much. Sincerely yours, Guss Ginsburg Beechnut Consulting Services 5247 Beechnut Street Houston, TX 77096 Ph: 713-667-8216 Cell: 713-553-6298 www.beechnutconsulting.com From marksimms at verizon.net Wed Oct 19 12:10:35 2011 From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms) Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2011 13:10:35 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Known Bugs List in A2K7/10 In-Reply-To: References: <4E9E8A33.5135.61C4375@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <006d01cc8e67$994826c0$cbd87440$@net> Message-ID: <008001cc8e82$04f3a1f0$0edae5d0$@net> Hah, hah...very funny Doug ! From vbacreations at gmail.com Wed Oct 19 20:46:48 2011 From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson (VBACreations.Com)) Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2011 21:46:48 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Known Bugs List in A2K7/10 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000801cc8eca$225908a0$670b19e0$@gmail.com> >> .Net, C#, and Visual Studio. I wish I had the intelligence to pick up something new... don't... -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2011 4:15 AM To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [AccessD] Known Bugs List in A2K7/10 Hi Mark and Darry and ... Oh my, what a frightening thread. You guys and Charlotte really scare one from ever touching development in Access 2007 or 2010. I never moved beyond 2003 ... then took a sharp right (pun and pun intended!) turn to .Net, C#, and Visual Studio. /gustav >>> darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au 19-10-2011 01:51 >>> Thanks Mark, Looks like am in for some future 'fun'. Right now I use A2007 80% of the time vs A2010 for the other 20%. Perhaps my current experience and feelings are based on this ratio rather than the actual issues in each individual product. I do find A2010 more finished and smooth to use, but that maybe because I don't push it around too much right now. Let just say I respect your (and everyone on this list) opinions and happy to listen to the (usually excellent) advice you all give on these matters. Cheers Darry. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Simms Sent: Wednesday, 19 October 2011 10:08 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Known Bugs List in A2K7/10 No way. 2010 is way more pain than 2007. That being said, AC 2007 could easily be blown-up by simply moving form controls on a multipage control. The sheer number of complaints about 2010 on the social.msdn website forum for Access is pretty much the proof in the pudding so-to-speak. > I am with Doug, I prefer A2010 to A2007 which I find painful beast to > use most of the time. in-elegant and clunky is how I best describe it - > and freaking weird. It does some strange things from time to time. -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From vbacreations at gmail.com Wed Oct 19 20:50:39 2011 From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson (VBACreations.Com)) Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2011 21:50:39 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Known Bugs List in A2K7/10 In-Reply-To: <4E9E8A33.5135.61C4375@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: <4E9E8A33.5135.61C4375@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <000901cc8eca$ac281df0$047859d0$@gmail.com> I think this is fine *IF* 2010 is not going to flake out on your users after deployment when you're all confident in your software cuz it worked fine in development... I develop (the limited bit I do) in 2010 so that if it doesn't work for me, I won't expect it to work for them. If something is supposed to work, I don't see the benefit of gaining false assurance just because it does in 2003. And I have definitely seen code I wrote in 2003 not work in 2010, I just can't remember what just now. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2011 4:29 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Known Bugs List in A2K7/10 I'm still developing primarily in 2003 and deploying the .mdbs on 07/10 installations. Generally it works seamlessly. -- Stuart On 19 Oct 2011 at 10:14, Gustav Brock wrote: > Hi Mark and Darry and ... > > Oh my, what a frightening thread. You guys and Charlotte really scare > one from ever touching development in Access 2007 or 2010. I never > moved beyond 2003 ... then took a sharp right (pun and pun intended!) > turn to .Net, C#, and Visual Studio. > > /gustav > > > >>> darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au 19-10-2011 01:51 >>> > Thanks Mark, > > Looks like am in for some future 'fun'. Right now I use A2007 80% of > the time vs A2010 for the other 20%. Perhaps my current experience > and feelings are based on this ratio rather than the actual issues in > each individual product. > > I do find A2010 more finished and smooth to use, but that maybe > because I don't push it around too much right now. > > Let just say I respect your (and everyone on this list) opinions and > happy to listen to the (usually excellent) advice you all give on > these matters. > > Cheers > Darry. > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Simms > Sent: Wednesday, 19 October 2011 10:08 AM To: 'Access Developers > discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Known Bugs List > in A2K7/10 > > No way. 2010 is way more pain than 2007. That being said, AC 2007 > could easily be blown-up by simply moving form controls on a multipage > control. The sheer number of complaints about 2010 on the social.msdn > website forum for Access is pretty much the proof in the pudding > so-to-speak. > > > I am with Doug, I prefer A2010 to A2007 which I find painful beast > > to use most of the time. in-elegant and clunky is how I best > > describe it - and freaking weird. It does some strange things from > > time to time. > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au Wed Oct 19 21:13:05 2011 From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins) Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2011 02:13:05 +0000 Subject: [AccessD] Known Bugs List in A2K7/10 In-Reply-To: <000901cc8eca$ac281df0$047859d0$@gmail.com> References: <4E9E8A33.5135.61C4375@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <000901cc8eca$ac281df0$047859d0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55BC2C9@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com> I agree it is risky to assume it will work. I have numerous instances where code fails in both Access and XL between 2003 and 2007+. Sometimes it is understandable and even documented (ie code / features / syntax has been changed or removed - filesearch is a good example of this). But other times it is just plain weird and makes NO sense at all. Such are having to move Activeworkbook.ResetColors to further down the code to prevent data corruption & crashing in XL2007 - something which had worked flawlessly for years in XL2003. That was really odd. The risk for me is my clients run a whole mixed bag of OS's and Office version. Guess I am lucky there are no Macs out there I need to deal with so far. Cheers d -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Benson (VBACreations.Com) Sent: Thursday, 20 October 2011 12:51 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Known Bugs List in A2K7/10 I think this is fine *IF* 2010 is not going to flake out on your users after deployment when you're all confident in your software cuz it worked fine in development... I develop (the limited bit I do) in 2010 so that if it doesn't work for me, I won't expect it to work for them. If something is supposed to work, I don't see the benefit of gaining false assurance just because it does in 2003. And I have definitely seen code I wrote in 2003 not work in 2010, I just can't remember what just now. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2011 4:29 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Known Bugs List in A2K7/10 I'm still developing primarily in 2003 and deploying the .mdbs on 07/10 installations. Generally it works seamlessly. -- Stuart On 19 Oct 2011 at 10:14, Gustav Brock wrote: > Hi Mark and Darry and ... > > Oh my, what a frightening thread. You guys and Charlotte really scare > one from ever touching development in Access 2007 or 2010. I never > moved beyond 2003 ... then took a sharp right (pun and pun intended!) > turn to .Net, C#, and Visual Studio. > > /gustav > > > >>> darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au 19-10-2011 01:51 >>> > Thanks Mark, > > Looks like am in for some future 'fun'. Right now I use A2007 80% of > the time vs A2010 for the other 20%. Perhaps my current experience > and feelings are based on this ratio rather than the actual issues in > each individual product. > > I do find A2010 more finished and smooth to use, but that maybe > because I don't push it around too much right now. > > Let just say I respect your (and everyone on this list) opinions and > happy to listen to the (usually excellent) advice you all give on > these matters. > > Cheers > Darry. > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Simms > Sent: Wednesday, 19 October 2011 10:08 AM To: 'Access Developers > discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Known Bugs List > in A2K7/10 > > No way. 2010 is way more pain than 2007. That being said, AC 2007 > could easily be blown-up by simply moving form controls on a multipage > control. The sheer number of complaints about 2010 on the social.msdn > website forum for Access is pretty much the proof in the pudding > so-to-speak. > > > I am with Doug, I prefer A2010 to A2007 which I find painful beast > > to use most of the time. in-elegant and clunky is how I best > > describe it - and freaking weird. It does some strange things from > > time to time. > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Gustav at cactus.dk Thu Oct 20 03:06:13 2011 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2011 10:06:13 +0200 Subject: [AccessD] Known Bugs List in A2K7/10 Message-ID: Hi William Don't say that. As a matter of fact with knowledge like yours, getting started with Visual Studio is more a question about available time and patience to pass the first steps of the learning curve - then it is forward (no ending point). /gustav >>> vbacreations at gmail.com 20-10-2011 03:46 >>> >> .Net, C#, and Visual Studio. I wish I had the intelligence to pick up something new... don't... -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2011 4:15 AM To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [AccessD] Known Bugs List in A2K7/10 Hi Mark and Darry and ... Oh my, what a frightening thread. You guys and Charlotte really scare one from ever touching development in Access 2007 or 2010. I never moved beyond 2003 ... then took a sharp right (pun and pun intended!) turn to .Net, C#, and Visual Studio. /gustav From tinanfields at torchlake.com Thu Oct 20 07:50:08 2011 From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields) Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2011 08:50:08 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Known Bugs List in A2K7/10 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4EA01900.9020409@torchlake.com> Gustav, I'm so glad you spoke up about that. We who already know how to learn are better prepared than many of our younger colleagues to take on another programming language. T Tina Norris Fields tinanfields at torchlake.com 231-322-2787 On 10/20/2011 4:06 AM, Gustav Brock wrote: > Hi William > > Don't say that. As a matter of fact with knowledge like yours, getting started with Visual Studio is more a question about available time and patience to pass the first steps of the learning curve - then it is forward (no ending point). > > /gustav > > >>>> vbacreations at gmail.com 20-10-2011 03:46>>> >>> .Net, C#, and Visual Studio. > I wish I had the intelligence to pick up something new... don't... > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock > Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2011 4:15 AM > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Known Bugs List in A2K7/10 > > Hi Mark and Darry and ... > > Oh my, what a frightening thread. You guys and Charlotte really scare one > from ever touching development in Access 2007 or 2010. > I never moved beyond 2003 ... then took a sharp right (pun and pun > intended!) turn to .Net, C#, and Visual Studio. > > /gustav > > From marksimms at verizon.net Thu Oct 20 08:50:00 2011 From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms) Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2011 09:50:00 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Known Bugs List in A2K7/10 In-Reply-To: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55BC2C9@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com> References: <4E9E8A33.5135.61C4375@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <000901cc8eca$ac281df0$047859d0$@gmail.com> <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55BC2C9@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com> Message-ID: <000001cc8f2f$29c987d0$7d5c9770$@net> I just want to let you know that the current demise of Access is totally MSFT's own fault: Poor beta testing of new releases. Business users just don't tolerate buggy software. PERIOD. It's unproductive and wasteful. I begged to be on the AC2010 beta test list....and the then product manager rejected my application. I don't think they even have an Access product manager now. From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au Thu Oct 20 17:44:51 2011 From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins) Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2011 22:44:51 +0000 Subject: [AccessD] Known Bugs List in A2K7/10 In-Reply-To: <000001cc8f2f$29c987d0$7d5c9770$@net> References: <4E9E8A33.5135.61C4375@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <000901cc8eca$ac281df0$047859d0$@gmail.com> <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55BC2C9@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com> <000001cc8f2f$29c987d0$7d5c9770$@net> Message-ID: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55BC4B5@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com> Not to mention risky as hell. No-one was to risk their data getting lost, corrupted or destroyed. Especially when the user has done nothing stupid or wrong, but the software itself is causing the issues. Access was already treated with some suspicion by the corporate IT world. I doubt it's standing has improved much with the new releases. IMHO they have tried to turn it into some kind of spreadsheet in a hope that XL users will pick it up for the extra grunt that Access offers. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Simms Sent: Friday, 21 October 2011 12:50 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Known Bugs List in A2K7/10 I just want to let you know that the current demise of Access is totally MSFT's own fault: Poor beta testing of new releases. Business users just don't tolerate buggy software. PERIOD. It's unproductive and wasteful. I begged to be on the AC2010 beta test list....and the then product manager rejected my application. I don't think they even have an Access product manager now. -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From davidmcafee at gmail.com Thu Oct 20 17:56:16 2011 From: davidmcafee at gmail.com (David McAfee) Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2011 15:56:16 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Known Bugs List in A2K7/10 In-Reply-To: <000901cc8eca$ac281df0$047859d0$@gmail.com> References: <4E9E8A33.5135.61C4375@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <000901cc8eca$ac281df0$047859d0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: This is what happened to me with my VBA rowsource example that I posted. The code had worked for years, even on 2010, then SP1 was released and it broke. Luckily it was a local user and a very quick fix for me to figure out. D On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 6:50 PM, William Benson (VBACreations.Com) < vbacreations at gmail.com> wrote: > I think this is fine *IF* 2010 is not going to flake out on your users > after > deployment when you're all confident in your software cuz it worked fine in > development... I develop (the limited bit I do) in 2010 so that if it > doesn't work for me, I won't expect it to work for them. If something is > supposed to work, I don't see the benefit of gaining false assurance just > because it does in 2003. And I have definitely seen code I wrote in 2003 > not > work in 2010, I just can't remember what just now. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart > McLachlan > Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2011 4:29 AM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Known Bugs List in A2K7/10 > > I'm still developing primarily in 2003 and deploying the .mdbs on 07/10 > installations. > Generally it works seamlessly. > > -- > Stuart > > On 19 Oct 2011 at 10:14, Gustav Brock wrote: > > > Hi Mark and Darry and ... > > > > Oh my, what a frightening thread. You guys and Charlotte really scare > > one from ever touching development in Access 2007 or 2010. I never > > moved beyond 2003 ... then took a sharp right (pun and pun intended!) > > turn to .Net, C#, and Visual Studio. > > > > /gustav > > > > > > >>> darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au 19-10-2011 01:51 >>> > > Thanks Mark, > > > > Looks like am in for some future 'fun'. Right now I use A2007 80% of > > the time vs A2010 for the other 20%. Perhaps my current experience > > and feelings are based on this ratio rather than the actual issues in > > each individual product. > > > > I do find A2010 more finished and smooth to use, but that maybe > > because I don't push it around too much right now. > > > > Let just say I respect your (and everyone on this list) opinions and > > happy to listen to the (usually excellent) advice you all give on > > these matters. > > > > Cheers > > Darry. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Simms > > Sent: Wednesday, 19 October 2011 10:08 AM To: 'Access Developers > > discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Known Bugs List > > in A2K7/10 > > > > No way. 2010 is way more pain than 2007. That being said, AC 2007 > > could easily be blown-up by simply moving form controls on a multipage > > control. The sheer number of complaints about 2010 on the social.msdn > > website forum for Access is pretty much the proof in the pudding > > so-to-speak. > > > > > I am with Doug, I prefer A2010 to A2007 which I find painful beast > > > to use most of the time. in-elegant and clunky is how I best > > > describe it - and freaking weird. It does some strange things from > > > time to time. > > > > > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From marksimms at verizon.net Thu Oct 20 21:31:27 2011 From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms) Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2011 22:31:27 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Known Bugs List in A2K7/10 In-Reply-To: References: <4E9E8A33.5135.61C4375@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <000901cc8eca$ac281df0$047859d0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <004a01cc8f99$8944af90$9bce0eb0$@net> I've been hitting dozens of these 2010 glitches. The good news is: a "hot" fix is imminent. The bad news is: no one knows exactly what it's going to "fix". > This is what happened to me with my VBA rowsource example that I > posted. > The code had worked for years, even on 2010, then SP1 was released and > it > broke. > Luckily it was a local user and a very quick fix for me to figure out. From michael at mattysconsulting.com Sat Oct 22 11:35:40 2011 From: michael at mattysconsulting.com (Michael Mattys) Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2011 12:35:40 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Memory: The Final Frontier Message-ID: <003101cc90d8$a3ff3950$ebfdabf0$@mattysconsulting.com> It isn't Friday OT anymore, but let's call this forthcoming database technology ... http://www.viewzone.com/memorytest1.html Two things needed to even begin understanding brain, memory, and, finally, the human mind: 1) Mechanical retrieval and storage of memory from (cells of) a living, conscious human 2) Mechanical retrieval and storage of memory from a (recently) deceased human Michael R Mattys Mattys Consulting, LLC www.mattysconsulting.com From vbacreations at gmail.com Sat Oct 22 12:23:45 2011 From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson) Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2011 13:23:45 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Memory: The Final Frontier In-Reply-To: <003101cc90d8$a3ff3950$ebfdabf0$@mattysconsulting.com> References: <003101cc90d8$a3ff3950$ebfdabf0$@mattysconsulting.com> Message-ID: Transfer of memory maybe applies not only to living organ transplants but food we eat. The animals raised very inhumanely may indirectly be cause for a lot of suffering in our own lives. I am not a herbivore but after seeing Food Inc. I do feel that the rise of so much need for health care coincides with the mass production of meats. I have begun insisting our household only buy naturally raised animal products. I had not thought about it being some kind of cellular information transfer but this article has me thinking now even more along those lines. What a study that would make, a group of people who ate real "happy meals" .... products from animals raised and slauggtered humanely versus another group who ate the false "Happy Meals?". See which group suffered more from depression over the course of a year. On Oct 22, 2011 12:37 PM, "Michael Mattys" wrote: > It isn't Friday OT anymore, but let's call this forthcoming database > technology ... > > http://www.viewzone.com/memorytest1.html > > Two things needed to even begin understanding brain, memory, and, finally, > the human mind: > > 1) Mechanical retrieval and storage of memory from (cells of) a living, > conscious human > 2) Mechanical retrieval and storage of memory from a (recently) deceased > human > > Michael R Mattys > Mattys Consulting, LLC > www.mattysconsulting.com > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From michael at mattysconsulting.com Sat Oct 22 13:14:14 2011 From: michael at mattysconsulting.com (Michael Mattys) Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2011 14:14:14 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Memory: The Final Frontier In-Reply-To: References: <003101cc90d8$a3ff3950$ebfdabf0$@mattysconsulting.com> Message-ID: <003201cc90e6$69011c20$3b035460$@mattysconsulting.com> I was actually speaking toward the possibility of a far more 'personal' personal computer, that is, 'on-board' processing for memory-database access. Very interesting point of view, though, William. Michael R Mattys Mattys Consulting, LLC www.mattysconsulting.com P.S. Of course, memory would have to affect some chemical change of the animal prior to death and after death, as well as before, during, and after meal preparation. I know I hate the 'gamey' taste of adrenalin at all of those times. Perhaps there could also be a way devised to test animal memory to determine their treatment. A movie about dolphins comes to mind. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Benson Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2011 1:24 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Memory: The Final Frontier Transfer of memory maybe applies not only to living organ transplants but food we eat. The animals raised very inhumanely may indirectly be cause for a lot of suffering in our own lives. I am not a herbivore but after seeing Food Inc. I do feel that the rise of so much need for health care coincides with the mass production of meats. I have begun insisting our household only buy naturally raised animal products. I had not thought about it being some kind of cellular information transfer but this article has me thinking now even more along those lines. What a study that would make, a group of people who ate real "happy meals" .... products from animals raised and slauggtered humanely versus another group who ate the false "Happy MealsT". See which group suffered more from depression over the course of a year. On Oct 22, 2011 12:37 PM, "Michael Mattys" wrote: > It isn't Friday OT anymore, but let's call this forthcoming database > technology ... > > http://www.viewzone.com/memorytest1.html > > Two things needed to even begin understanding brain, memory, and, > finally, the human mind: > > 1) Mechanical retrieval and storage of memory from (cells of) a > living, conscious human > 2) Mechanical retrieval and storage of memory from a (recently) > deceased human > > Michael R Mattys > Mattys Consulting, LLC > www.mattysconsulting.com > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From vbacreations at gmail.com Sat Oct 22 13:37:12 2011 From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson) Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2011 14:37:12 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Memory: The Final Frontier In-Reply-To: <003201cc90e6$69011c20$3b035460$@mattysconsulting.com> References: <003101cc90d8$a3ff3950$ebfdabf0$@mattysconsulting.com> <003201cc90e6$69011c20$3b035460$@mattysconsulting.com> Message-ID: Sorry for co-opting your topic. Actually i am personally intersted in it because my own short term memory has been decaying. I have been looking for answrs as to why. I feel my personality has been changing too. Largely that i am more readily influenced by very new info rather than more established info. The symptoms are easily explained: older data is missing. And since I have not received any transplants lately I am thinking along the lines of toxins, or technological interference or food supply. As for your PS... no I think you may have missed my point. I was thinking in terms of LONG TERM storage of memories of pain/discomfort, neglect, fear,abuse, disease, and general anxiety that comes from not living life in a way compatible with the animals nature. I don't think the final stretch (slaughter and final thoughts) are recorded in the meat (of course it could be )... but if the premises in the article are valid and extrapolatable then the long term effects of the living conditions and being fed things contrary to the animals proper biological diet... things which "fatten" and make them grow their food yielding parts at the expense of proper function as nature intended could very well be something that changes us upon ingestion. Anyway I am no expert, but this article does make me think it is not all simple binary, but energy field driven. After all much thought has emotional components as well as facts. If poorly treated food supply is driving some of our own negativity then we benefit by being more humane. This would not be a hard test and I am going to recommend it to PETA or some organic farmers. Maybe it has already been done. For sure the big agribusiness and FDA would try to shut down the research. On Oct 22, 2011 2:15 PM, "Michael Mattys" wrote: > I was actually speaking toward the possibility of a far more 'personal' > personal computer, > that is, 'on-board' processing for memory-database access. > Very interesting point of view, though, William. > > Michael R Mattys > Mattys Consulting, LLC > www.mattysconsulting.com > > P.S. > > Of course, memory would have to affect some chemical change of the animal > prior to death > and after death, as well as before, during, and after meal preparation. I > know I hate the 'gamey' > taste of adrenalin at all of those times. > > Perhaps there could also be a way devised to test animal memory to > determine > their treatment. > A movie about dolphins comes to mind. > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Benson > Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2011 1:24 PM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Memory: The Final Frontier > > Transfer of memory maybe applies not only to living organ transplants but > food we eat. The animals raised very inhumanely may indirectly be cause for > a lot of suffering in our own lives. I am not a herbivore but after seeing > Food Inc. I do feel that the rise of so much need for health care > coincides > with the mass production of meats. I have begun insisting our household > only > buy naturally raised animal products. I had not thought about it being some > kind of cellular information transfer but this article has me thinking now > even more along those lines. > > What a study that would make, a group of people who ate real "happy meals" > .... products from animals raised and slauggtered humanely versus another > group who ate the false "Happy MealsT". See which group suffered more from > depression over the course of a year. > On Oct 22, 2011 12:37 PM, "Michael Mattys" > wrote: > > > It isn't Friday OT anymore, but let's call this forthcoming database > > technology ... > > > > http://www.viewzone.com/memorytest1.html > > > > Two things needed to even begin understanding brain, memory, and, > > finally, the human mind: > > > > 1) Mechanical retrieval and storage of memory from (cells of) a > > living, conscious human > > 2) Mechanical retrieval and storage of memory from a (recently) > > deceased human > > > > Michael R Mattys > > Mattys Consulting, LLC > > www.mattysconsulting.com > > > > > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Sat Oct 22 13:45:36 2011 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2011 14:45:36 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] It does my heart good Message-ID: <4EA30F50.8020903@colbyconsulting.com> What a hoot! have we ALL experienced this? http://techcrunch.com/2008/06/25/gates-sends-angry-e-mail-sounds-just-like-a-customer/ -- John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it From vbacreations at gmail.com Sat Oct 22 13:58:16 2011 From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson) Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2011 14:58:16 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] It does my heart good In-Reply-To: <4EA30F50.8020903@colbyconsulting.com> References: <4EA30F50.8020903@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: And he has a memory capable of knowing what he did and what the result was. I have lost that kind of recall and when I go thru stuff like that I just lose the day and don't really have a good accounting of why! B. Gates is a really smart man. Lucky to have so much together in life. I probably missed your pint john. :) On Oct 22, 2011 2:46 PM, "jwcolby" wrote: > What a hoot! have we ALL experienced this? > > http://techcrunch.com/2008/06/**25/gates-sends-angry-e-mail-** > sounds-just-like-a-customer/ > > -- > John W. Colby > Colby Consulting > > Reality is what refuses to go away > when you do not believe in it > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.**com > From vbacreations at gmail.com Sat Oct 22 13:59:09 2011 From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson) Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2011 14:59:09 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] It does my heart good In-Reply-To: References: <4EA30F50.8020903@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: Point. Pints I never miss! On Oct 22, 2011 2:58 PM, "William Benson" wrote: > And he has a memory capable of knowing what he did and what the result was. > I have lost that kind of recall and when I go thru stuff like that I just > lose the day and don't really have a good accounting of why! > > B. Gates is a really smart man. Lucky to have so much together in life. > > I probably missed your pint john. > > :) > On Oct 22, 2011 2:46 PM, "jwcolby" wrote: > >> What a hoot! have we ALL experienced this? >> >> http://techcrunch.com/2008/06/**25/gates-sends-angry-e-mail-** >> sounds-just-like-a-customer/ >> >> -- >> John W. Colby >> Colby Consulting >> >> Reality is what refuses to go away >> when you do not believe in it >> -- >> AccessD mailing list >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/accessd >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.**com >> > From michael at mattysconsulting.com Sat Oct 22 14:57:10 2011 From: michael at mattysconsulting.com (Michael Mattys) Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2011 15:57:10 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Memory: The Final Frontier In-Reply-To: References: <003101cc90d8$a3ff3950$ebfdabf0$@mattysconsulting.com> <003201cc90e6$69011c20$3b035460$@mattysconsulting.com> Message-ID: <003301cc90f4$ca403fd0$5ec0bf70$@mattysconsulting.com> I have explored many such avenues in regard to ALS and Parkinson's Disease. As filled with data as our databases are, making sense of it all is elusive. Michael R Mattys Mattys Consulting, LLC www.mattysconsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Benson Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2011 2:37 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Memory: The Final Frontier Sorry for co-opting your topic. Actually i am personally intersted in it because my own short term memory has been decaying. I have been looking for answrs as to why. I feel my personality has been changing too. Largely that i am more readily influenced by very new info rather than more established info. The symptoms are easily explained: older data is missing. And since I have not received any transplants lately I am thinking along the lines of toxins, or technological interference or food supply. As for your PS... no I think you may have missed my point. I was thinking in terms of LONG TERM storage of memories of pain/discomfort, neglect, fear,abuse, disease, and general anxiety that comes from not living life in a way compatible with the animals nature. I don't think the final stretch (slaughter and final thoughts) are recorded in the meat (of course it could be )... but if the premises in the article are valid and extrapolatable then the long term effects of the living conditions and being fed things contrary to the animals proper biological diet... things which "fatten" and make them grow their food yielding parts at the expense of proper function as nature intended could very well be something that changes us upon ingestion. Anyway I am no expert, but this article does make me think it is not all simple binary, but energy field driven. After all much thought has emotional components as well as facts. If poorly treated food supply is driving some of our own negativity then we benefit by being more humane. This would not be a hard test and I am going to recommend it to PETA or some organic farmers. Maybe it has already been done. For sure the big agribusiness and FDA would try to shut down the research. On Oct 22, 2011 2:15 PM, "Michael Mattys" wrote: > I was actually speaking toward the possibility of a far more 'personal' > personal computer, > that is, 'on-board' processing for memory-database access. > Very interesting point of view, though, William. > > Michael R Mattys > Mattys Consulting, LLC > www.mattysconsulting.com > > P.S. > > Of course, memory would have to affect some chemical change of the > animal prior to death and after death, as well as before, during, and > after meal preparation. I know I hate the 'gamey' > taste of adrenalin at all of those times. > > Perhaps there could also be a way devised to test animal memory to > determine their treatment. > A movie about dolphins comes to mind. > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William > Benson > Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2011 1:24 PM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Memory: The Final Frontier > > Transfer of memory maybe applies not only to living organ transplants > but food we eat. The animals raised very inhumanely may indirectly be > cause for a lot of suffering in our own lives. I am not a herbivore > but after seeing Food Inc. I do feel that the rise of so much need > for health care coincides with the mass production of meats. I have > begun insisting our household only buy naturally raised animal > products. I had not thought about it being some kind of cellular > information transfer but this article has me thinking now even more > along those lines. > > What a study that would make, a group of people who ate real "happy meals" > .... products from animals raised and slauggtered humanely versus > another group who ate the false "Happy MealsT". See which group > suffered more from depression over the course of a year. > On Oct 22, 2011 12:37 PM, "Michael Mattys" > > wrote: > > > It isn't Friday OT anymore, but let's call this forthcoming database > > technology ... > > > > http://www.viewzone.com/memorytest1.html > > > > Two things needed to even begin understanding brain, memory, and, > > finally, the human mind: > > > > 1) Mechanical retrieval and storage of memory from (cells of) a > > living, conscious human > > 2) Mechanical retrieval and storage of memory from a (recently) > > deceased human > > > > Michael R Mattys > > Mattys Consulting, LLC > > www.mattysconsulting.com > > > > > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Sat Oct 22 15:07:03 2011 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2011 13:07:03 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Memory: The Final Frontier In-Reply-To: <003201cc90e6$69011c20$3b035460$@mattysconsulting.com> References: <003101cc90d8$a3ff3950$ebfdabf0$@mattysconsulting.com> <003201cc90e6$69011c20$3b035460$@mattysconsulting.com> Message-ID: <49E6C7895FCE47D294E77505B2BD25D2@creativesystemdesigns.com> Why do you think I like personal computers so much...they are just an extension to my own limited memory and memory retrieval system. If you had photographic memory why bother with personal computers? ;-) Jim -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Michael Mattys Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2011 11:14 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Memory: The Final Frontier I was actually speaking toward the possibility of a far more 'personal' personal computer, that is, 'on-board' processing for memory-database access. Very interesting point of view, though, William. Michael R Mattys Mattys Consulting, LLC www.mattysconsulting.com P.S. Of course, memory would have to affect some chemical change of the animal prior to death and after death, as well as before, during, and after meal preparation. I know I hate the 'gamey' taste of adrenalin at all of those times. Perhaps there could also be a way devised to test animal memory to determine their treatment. A movie about dolphins comes to mind. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Benson Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2011 1:24 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Memory: The Final Frontier Transfer of memory maybe applies not only to living organ transplants but food we eat. The animals raised very inhumanely may indirectly be cause for a lot of suffering in our own lives. I am not a herbivore but after seeing Food Inc. I do feel that the rise of so much need for health care coincides with the mass production of meats. I have begun insisting our household only buy naturally raised animal products. I had not thought about it being some kind of cellular information transfer but this article has me thinking now even more along those lines. What a study that would make, a group of people who ate real "happy meals" .... products from animals raised and slauggtered humanely versus another group who ate the false "Happy MealsT". See which group suffered more from depression over the course of a year. On Oct 22, 2011 12:37 PM, "Michael Mattys" wrote: > It isn't Friday OT anymore, but let's call this forthcoming database > technology ... > > http://www.viewzone.com/memorytest1.html > > Two things needed to even begin understanding brain, memory, and, > finally, the human mind: > > 1) Mechanical retrieval and storage of memory from (cells of) a > living, conscious human > 2) Mechanical retrieval and storage of memory from a (recently) > deceased human > > Michael R Mattys > Mattys Consulting, LLC > www.mattysconsulting.com > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Sat Oct 22 15:19:31 2011 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2011 13:19:31 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Memory: The Final Frontier In-Reply-To: References: <003101cc90d8$a3ff3950$ebfdabf0$@mattysconsulting.com> <003201cc90e6$69011c20$3b035460$@mattysconsulting.com> Message-ID: It might be capacity. 64K memory does not go far these days...that much memory took the Voyager spacecrafts to the edge of the solar system. Now a days you will find you have to forget something before you will have room to remember something new...just like those craft. You are not just being more influenced, now, by new ideas because you would not be a programmer in the first place. Case in point, you jumped on the first PC you ran across...that is just a case of genetic early adopter syndrome, I believe. ;-) Jim -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Benson Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2011 11:37 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Memory: The Final Frontier Sorry for co-opting your topic. Actually i am personally intersted in it because my own short term memory has been decaying. I have been looking for answrs as to why. I feel my personality has been changing too. Largely that i am more readily influenced by very new info rather than more established info. The symptoms are easily explained: older data is missing. And since I have not received any transplants lately I am thinking along the lines of toxins, or technological interference or food supply. As for your PS... no I think you may have missed my point. I was thinking in terms of LONG TERM storage of memories of pain/discomfort, neglect, fear,abuse, disease, and general anxiety that comes from not living life in a way compatible with the animals nature. I don't think the final stretch (slaughter and final thoughts) are recorded in the meat (of course it could be )... but if the premises in the article are valid and extrapolatable then the long term effects of the living conditions and being fed things contrary to the animals proper biological diet... things which "fatten" and make them grow their food yielding parts at the expense of proper function as nature intended could very well be something that changes us upon ingestion. Anyway I am no expert, but this article does make me think it is not all simple binary, but energy field driven. After all much thought has emotional components as well as facts. If poorly treated food supply is driving some of our own negativity then we benefit by being more humane. This would not be a hard test and I am going to recommend it to PETA or some organic farmers. Maybe it has already been done. For sure the big agribusiness and FDA would try to shut down the research. On Oct 22, 2011 2:15 PM, "Michael Mattys" wrote: > I was actually speaking toward the possibility of a far more 'personal' > personal computer, > that is, 'on-board' processing for memory-database access. > Very interesting point of view, though, William. > > Michael R Mattys > Mattys Consulting, LLC > www.mattysconsulting.com > > P.S. > > Of course, memory would have to affect some chemical change of the animal > prior to death > and after death, as well as before, during, and after meal preparation. I > know I hate the 'gamey' > taste of adrenalin at all of those times. > > Perhaps there could also be a way devised to test animal memory to > determine > their treatment. > A movie about dolphins comes to mind. > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Benson > Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2011 1:24 PM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Memory: The Final Frontier > > Transfer of memory maybe applies not only to living organ transplants but > food we eat. The animals raised very inhumanely may indirectly be cause for > a lot of suffering in our own lives. I am not a herbivore but after seeing > Food Inc. I do feel that the rise of so much need for health care > coincides > with the mass production of meats. I have begun insisting our household > only > buy naturally raised animal products. I had not thought about it being some > kind of cellular information transfer but this article has me thinking now > even more along those lines. > > What a study that would make, a group of people who ate real "happy meals" > .... products from animals raised and slauggtered humanely versus another > group who ate the false "Happy MealsT". See which group suffered more from > depression over the course of a year. > On Oct 22, 2011 12:37 PM, "Michael Mattys" > wrote: > > > It isn't Friday OT anymore, but let's call this forthcoming database > > technology ... > > > > http://www.viewzone.com/memorytest1.html > > > > Two things needed to even begin understanding brain, memory, and, > > finally, the human mind: > > > > 1) Mechanical retrieval and storage of memory from (cells of) a > > living, conscious human > > 2) Mechanical retrieval and storage of memory from a (recently) > > deceased human > > > > Michael R Mattys > > Mattys Consulting, LLC > > www.mattysconsulting.com > > > > > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From marksimms at verizon.net Sat Oct 22 16:26:07 2011 From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms) Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2011 17:26:07 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Memory: The Final Frontier In-Reply-To: <003101cc90d8$a3ff3950$ebfdabf0$@mattysconsulting.com> References: <003101cc90d8$a3ff3950$ebfdabf0$@mattysconsulting.com> Message-ID: <000401cc9101$3658b600$a30a2200$@net> #1 definitely of huge value for getting the truth from lawyers. They are living, but I not sure they have a conscience....so it might not work ;) From marksimms at verizon.net Sun Oct 23 11:01:48 2011 From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms) Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2011 12:01:48 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] It does my heart good In-Reply-To: <4EA30F50.8020903@colbyconsulting.com> References: <4EA30F50.8020903@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <000601cc919d$12de8e10$389baa30$@net> He's a LOT like Steve Jobs. Not many people can drop down into the details as well as being visionaries. Not many at all. That's why they MADE THE BIG BUCKS. From tinanfields at torchlake.com Sun Oct 23 11:09:01 2011 From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields) Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2011 12:09:01 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] It does my heart good In-Reply-To: <4EA30F50.8020903@colbyconsulting.com> References: <4EA30F50.8020903@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <4EA43C1D.3070805@torchlake.com> Yeah, we have! It's great that Bill Gates tries to use the things we try to use and has the wherewithal to force the needed changes. The line that made me laugh the most was the one about not anticipating using the download page to actually download something. LOL! What DID they think one would use a download page for? T Tina Norris Fields tinanfields at torchlake.com 231-322-2787 On 10/22/2011 2:45 PM, jwcolby wrote: > What a hoot! have we ALL experienced this? > > http://techcrunch.com/2008/06/25/gates-sends-angry-e-mail-sounds-just-like-a-customer/ > > From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au Sun Oct 23 17:32:10 2011 From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins) Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2011 22:32:10 +0000 Subject: [AccessD] Memory: The Final Frontier In-Reply-To: References: <003101cc90d8$a3ff3950$ebfdabf0$@mattysconsulting.com> <003201cc90e6$69011c20$3b035460$@mattysconsulting.com> Message-ID: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55BC97F@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com> " because my own short term memory has been decaying. I have been looking for answrs as to why" There is a some evidence << http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/15/health/15memory.html?_r=1 >> and discussion that the internet and technology in general is doing this to many of us. Remember when you were a kid, how many phone numbers could you recall off the top of your head? I could do dozens of the buggers, now I am lucky to recall 3 or 4. This is not because the internet is evil, but rather I *don't* need to remember anymore as Google, my phone, my email etc does all the remembering for me. Go back a bit further in time and it was common for people to be able to recite entire books and stories by memory. The printing press put paid to that. It seems our brains are smart, but rather lazy (efficient? - I have always felt the line between the two is very thin indeed) and while the brain is quite capable of remarkable feats, it only does the effort if you have a need for it. There are ways to work on improving your memory - take up professional card counting at your local casino for example ;) Of course Bill, you could just be getting old. Seriously though, Maybe you should delete all the most commonly used phone numbers from you cell phone and try to remember them instead. Cheers Darryll -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Benson Sent: Sunday, 23 October 2011 5:37 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Memory: The Final Frontier Sorry for co-opting your topic. Actually i am personally intersted in it because my own short term memory has been decaying. I have been looking for answrs as to why. I feel my personality has been changing too. Largely that i am more readily influenced by very new info rather than more established info. The symptoms are easily explained: older data is missing. And since I have not received any transplants lately I am thinking along the lines of toxins, or technological interference or food supply. As for your PS... no I think you may have missed my point. I was thinking in terms of LONG TERM storage of memories of pain/discomfort, neglect, fear,abuse, disease, and general anxiety that comes from not living life in a way compatible with the animals nature. I don't think the final stretch (slaughter and final thoughts) are recorded in the meat (of course it could be )... but if the premises in the article are valid and extrapolatable then the long term effects of the living conditions and being fed things contrary to the animals proper biological diet... things which "fatten" and make them grow their food yielding parts at the expense of proper function as nature intended could very well be something that changes us upon ingestion. Anyway I am no expert, but this article does make me think it is not all simple binary, but energy field driven. After all much thought has emotional components as well as facts. If poorly treated food supply is driving some of our own negativity then we benefit by being more humane. This would not be a hard test and I am going to recommend it to PETA or some organic farmers. Maybe it has already been done. For sure the big agribusiness and FDA would try to shut down the research. On Oct 22, 2011 2:15 PM, "Michael Mattys" wrote: > I was actually speaking toward the possibility of a far more 'personal' > personal computer, > that is, 'on-board' processing for memory-database access. > Very interesting point of view, though, William. > > Michael R Mattys > Mattys Consulting, LLC > www.mattysconsulting.com > > P.S. > > Of course, memory would have to affect some chemical change of the animal > prior to death > and after death, as well as before, during, and after meal preparation. I > know I hate the 'gamey' > taste of adrenalin at all of those times. > > Perhaps there could also be a way devised to test animal memory to > determine > their treatment. > A movie about dolphins comes to mind. > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Benson > Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2011 1:24 PM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Memory: The Final Frontier > > Transfer of memory maybe applies not only to living organ transplants but > food we eat. The animals raised very inhumanely may indirectly be cause for > a lot of suffering in our own lives. I am not a herbivore but after seeing > Food Inc. I do feel that the rise of so much need for health care > coincides > with the mass production of meats. I have begun insisting our household > only > buy naturally raised animal products. I had not thought about it being some > kind of cellular information transfer but this article has me thinking now > even more along those lines. > > What a study that would make, a group of people who ate real "happy meals" > .... products from animals raised and slauggtered humanely versus another > group who ate the false "Happy MealsT". See which group suffered more from > depression over the course of a year. > On Oct 22, 2011 12:37 PM, "Michael Mattys" > wrote: > > > It isn't Friday OT anymore, but let's call this forthcoming database > > technology ... > > > > http://www.viewzone.com/memorytest1.html > > > > Two things needed to even begin understanding brain, memory, and, > > finally, the human mind: > > > > 1) Mechanical retrieval and storage of memory from (cells of) a > > living, conscious human > > 2) Mechanical retrieval and storage of memory from a (recently) > > deceased human > > > > Michael R Mattys > > Mattys Consulting, LLC > > www.mattysconsulting.com > > > > > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From vbacreations at gmail.com Sun Oct 23 21:17:19 2011 From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson (VBACreations.Com)) Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2011 22:17:19 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] AddNewRecord "Problem" Message-ID: <000e01cc91f3$0f6f13c0$2e4d3b40$@gmail.com> Accdb database, I am not too familiar with Ac2010. ... especially how Access creates embedded events and actions instead of normal vba code to handle standard record operations on a buttonclick such as New Record. So I am trying to use VBA. When I create a new record in the table, I want to validate that the info entered is not already in the table. I could probably do this in the BeforeInsert, but I am instead doing it on the button click. If the record is one which may be added I want to insert a record. I am doing this presently by setting a dao recordset equal to the form's recordsetclone, and then saying Rst.AddNew, and then populating a few fields which are not bound to controls, then using bookmark to bring the rest of the form (and the bound controls) up to date and position the form on the correct record. That part is clunky but working, but the problem is that the Current event is not firing. For that matter, the Addnew is not firing either. I know I can call those events with code, but I was wondering why this method is not causing Current to fire on its own when I set the form's bookmark equal to the recordset's bookmark? From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au Sun Oct 23 21:47:23 2011 From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins) Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 02:47:23 +0000 Subject: [AccessD] AddNewRecord "Problem" In-Reply-To: <000e01cc91f3$0f6f13c0$2e4d3b40$@gmail.com> References: <000e01cc91f3$0f6f13c0$2e4d3b40$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55BCBCF@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com> Bill, You can convert any of the new Macros to VBA code. Open the form in design view and use the Convert Form's Macro to Visual Basic command. I always do this now if I use a wizard thingo that writes a macro rather than VBA. " I want to validate that the info entered is not already in the table" Isn't this something you would manage at table level using indexes and/or keys? I would also suggest you use an unbound form as it is much easier to deal with these sorts of things as you can validate the data *before* it is written to the table. To do this you can call up a recordset against your form data and if the recordcount = 0 you know the record doesn't exist and can add it. Other advantage is the user can painlessly exit the form without saving - fast and easy. Of course the bound / unbound debate on this list get pretty heated from time to time and there are pros and cons to both approaches. Anyway, a bit hard to give you the best answer as I don't fully understand what your data set up is. Cheers Darryl. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Benson (VBACreations.Com) Sent: Monday, 24 October 2011 1:17 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: [AccessD] AddNewRecord "Problem" Accdb database, I am not too familiar with Ac2010. ... especially how Access creates embedded events and actions instead of normal vba code to handle standard record operations on a buttonclick such as New Record. So I am trying to use VBA. When I create a new record in the table, I want to validate that the info entered is not already in the table. I could probably do this in the BeforeInsert, but I am instead doing it on the button click. If the record is one which may be added I want to insert a record. I am doing this presently by setting a dao recordset equal to the form's recordsetclone, and then saying Rst.AddNew, and then populating a few fields which are not bound to controls, then using bookmark to bring the rest of the form (and the bound controls) up to date and position the form on the correct record. That part is clunky but working, but the problem is that the Current event is not firing. For that matter, the Addnew is not firing either. I know I can call those events with code, but I was wondering why this method is not causing Current to fire on its own when I set the form's bookmark equal to the recordset's bookmark? -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From darren at activebilling.com.au Sun Oct 23 22:07:52 2011 From: darren at activebilling.com.au (Darren - Active Billing) Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 14:07:52 +1100 Subject: [AccessD] AddNewRecord "Problem" In-Reply-To: <000e01cc91f3$0f6f13c0$2e4d3b40$@gmail.com> References: <000e01cc91f3$0f6f13c0$2e4d3b40$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <007701cc91fa$205562a0$610027e0$@activebilling.com.au> Hi William, I agree with Darryl, tricky to make a useful suggestion without know a bit more. Normally for this sort of stuff I do it in the Before Update and use a DCOUNT or DLOOKUP, depending on the info. Then, if the count is greater than one, or if the info exists, I present a message box and cancel the sub. Depending on what's being added, usually somewhere, there is something pertinent that can be caught in a simple Domain Lookup. You can have multi parameters in the DLOOKUP too, and if it's just one line or one record to 'test' (i.e. No Loops) then the speeds are fine in my experience. - e.g. (pseudo code for very simple application of adding a new record) If you are trying to insert an AccountNo that already exists then msgbox the error and exit intNoOfAccounts = DCount("[AccountNo]", "tblAccounts", " AccountNo = " & Forms!frmSomeForm!txtSometextBox & " and IsCurrent = -1") if intNoOfAccounts>=1 then Msgbox "Something here about there already being an active AccountNo of " & Forms!frmSomeForm!txtSometextBox Cancel = true Else ''bat on - good to go Exit sub (Yes, I know you will all say that 'AccountNo' should be an indexed field blah blah blah, - I agree - this is just for demonstration) Hope this helps Darren -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Benson (VBACreations.Com) Sent: Monday, 24 October 2011 1:17 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: [AccessD] AddNewRecord "Problem" Accdb database, I am not too familiar with Ac2010. ... especially how Access creates embedded events and actions instead of normal vba code to handle standard record operations on a buttonclick such as New Record. So I am trying to use VBA. When I create a new record in the table, I want to validate that the info entered is not already in the table. I could probably do this in the BeforeInsert, but I am instead doing it on the button click. If the record is one which may be added I want to insert a record. I am doing this presently by setting a dao recordset equal to the form's recordsetclone, and then saying Rst.AddNew, and then populating a few fields which are not bound to controls, then using bookmark to bring the rest of the form (and the bound controls) up to date and position the form on the correct record. That part is clunky but working, but the problem is that the Current event is not firing. For that matter, the Addnew is not firing either. I know I can call those events with code, but I was wondering why this method is not causing Current to fire on its own when I set the form's bookmark equal to the recordset's bookmark? -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Sun Oct 23 22:22:31 2011 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2011 20:22:31 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] AddNewRecord "Problem" In-Reply-To: <000e01cc91f3$0f6f13c0$2e4d3b40$@gmail.com> References: <000e01cc91f3$0f6f13c0$2e4d3b40$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Are you using an autonumber PK? Any other fields indexed-no duplicates? How will you determine if the info is already in the table? What fields? Will those fields still be empty at the time of the Before Insert event? Rocky -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Benson (VBACreations.Com) Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2011 7:17 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: [AccessD] AddNewRecord "Problem" Accdb database, I am not too familiar with Ac2010. ... especially how Access creates embedded events and actions instead of normal vba code to handle standard record operations on a buttonclick such as New Record. So I am trying to use VBA. When I create a new record in the table, I want to validate that the info entered is not already in the table. I could probably do this in the BeforeInsert, but I am instead doing it on the button click. If the record is one which may be added I want to insert a record. I am doing this presently by setting a dao recordset equal to the form's recordsetclone, and then saying Rst.AddNew, and then populating a few fields which are not bound to controls, then using bookmark to bring the rest of the form (and the bound controls) up to date and position the form on the correct record. That part is clunky but working, but the problem is that the Current event is not firing. For that matter, the Addnew is not firing either. I know I can call those events with code, but I was wondering why this method is not causing Current to fire on its own when I set the form's bookmark equal to the recordset's bookmark? -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From vbacreations at gmail.com Sun Oct 23 22:41:05 2011 From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson) Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2011 23:41:05 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] AddNewRecord "Problem" In-Reply-To: References: <000e01cc91f3$0f6f13c0$2e4d3b40$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Yes to pk, it is simply [Id] Userid is indexed, required, no dupes allowed. I cant remember if i used dlookup ("[userid]='" & txtuserid &"'") or an inline SQL to check if txtuserid is already in the table or not. This for is working perfectly but I had a question about current not being fired after using bookmark On Oct 23, 2011 11:24 PM, "Rocky Smolin" wrote: > Are you using an autonumber PK? Any other fields indexed-no duplicates? > > How will you determine if the info is already in the table? What fields? > Will those fields still be empty at the time of the Before Insert event? > > Rocky > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Benson > (VBACreations.Com) > Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2011 7:17 PM > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > Subject: [AccessD] AddNewRecord "Problem" > > Accdb database, I am not too familiar with Ac2010. > > ... especially how Access creates embedded events and actions instead of > normal vba code to handle standard record operations on a buttonclick such > as New Record. So I am trying to use VBA. > > When I create a new record in the table, I want to validate that the info > entered is not already in the table. I could probably do this in the > BeforeInsert, but I am instead doing it on the button click. > > If the record is one which may be added I want to insert a record. I am > doing this presently by setting a dao recordset equal to the form's > recordsetclone, and then saying Rst.AddNew, and then populating a few > fields > which are not bound to controls, then using bookmark to bring the rest of > the form (and the bound controls) up to date and position the form on the > correct record. > > That part is clunky but working, but the problem is that the Current event > is not firing. For that matter, the Addnew is not firing either. > > I know I can call those events with code, but I was wondering why this > method is not causing Current to fire on its own when I set the form's > bookmark equal to the recordset's bookmark? > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From marksimms at verizon.net Mon Oct 24 09:57:08 2011 From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms) Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 10:57:08 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] AddNewRecord "Problem" In-Reply-To: <000e01cc91f3$0f6f13c0$2e4d3b40$@gmail.com> References: <000e01cc91f3$0f6f13c0$2e4d3b40$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <006201cc925d$34150b70$9c3f2250$@net> Can someone explain exactly what are the new "em" events supposed to do ? From rusty.hammond at cpiqpc.com Mon Oct 24 10:17:55 2011 From: rusty.hammond at cpiqpc.com (Rusty Hammond) Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 10:17:55 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Any Access add-ins to put app on mobile devices? Message-ID: <49A286ABF515E94A8505CD14DEB721701744A259@CPIEMAIL-EVS1.CPIQPC.NET> I came across an article about an add-in for Filemaker Pro (called FileMaker Go) that will allow you to develop an application in Filemaker on your Mac or PC, then port that application to an iOS application ready to run on your iPhone and/or iPad. Pretty slick and I've even seen a mobile work order dispatch application developed using the set-up. An electrician is using it to send out work orders to his crews. He put iPads in each of his trucks. Has anyone come across one that would port an Access app to either iOS, Android, or maybe even Windows Mobile??? Rusty Hammond ********************************************************************** WARNING: All e-mail sent to and from this address will be received, scanned or otherwise recorded by the CPI Qualified Plan Consultants, Inc. corporate e-mail system and is subject to archival, monitoring or review by, and/or disclosure to, someone other than the recipient. ********************************************************************** From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Mon Oct 24 10:50:01 2011 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 08:50:01 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] http://projecteuler.net/ Message-ID: <127FD82F51494E1D90034BCDA1AB8FFF@HAL9007> If you've got some time on your hands - couldn't get Noah to go to bed last night - he wanted to solve 'just one more'. Now we're going to have a contest to see who can solve a problem with the least number of lines of code. I think I have a distinct advantage using VBA to his C++ or LUA R _____ From: Noah Sutton-Smolin [mailto:heedleblambeedle at gmail.com] Sent: Monday, October 24, 2011 7:41 AM To: Rocky Smolin Subject: http://projecteuler.net/ http://projecteuler.net/ _______________________________________________ dba-OT mailing list dba-OT at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-ot Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From charlotte.foust at gmail.com Mon Oct 24 10:58:23 2011 From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust) Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 08:58:23 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Any Access add-ins to put app on mobile devices? In-Reply-To: <49A286ABF515E94A8505CD14DEB721701744A259@CPIEMAIL-EVS1.CPIQPC.NET> References: <49A286ABF515E94A8505CD14DEB721701744A259@CPIEMAIL-EVS1.CPIQPC.NET> Message-ID: Nope, although Cellica Database will run on both Windows and Android and allows you to connect to an Access database. It's a pain to create the forms though because it automatically scales the form to the screen of your phone Charlotte Foust On Mon, Oct 24, 2011 at 8:17 AM, Rusty Hammond wrote: > I came across an article about an add-in for Filemaker Pro (called > FileMaker Go) that will allow you to develop an application in Filemaker > on your Mac or PC, then port that application to an iOS application > ready to run on your iPhone and/or iPad. Pretty slick and I've even > seen a mobile work order dispatch application developed using the > set-up. An electrician is using it to send out work orders to his > crews. He put iPads in each of his trucks. > > Has anyone come across one that would port an Access app to either iOS, > Android, or maybe even Windows Mobile??? > > > Rusty Hammond > > > > ********************************************************************** > WARNING: All e-mail sent to and from this address will be received, > scanned or otherwise recorded by the CPI Qualified Plan Consultants, Inc. > corporate e-mail system and is subject to archival, monitoring or review > by, and/or disclosure to, someone other than the recipient. > ********************************************************************** > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > From davidmcafee at gmail.com Mon Oct 24 12:14:35 2011 From: davidmcafee at gmail.com (David McAfee) Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 10:14:35 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Any Access add-ins to put app on mobile devices? In-Reply-To: References: <49A286ABF515E94A8505CD14DEB721701744A259@CPIEMAIL-EVS1.CPIQPC.NET> Message-ID: Up through Windows Mobile 2003 (Maybe even in WM5, I can't remember at the moment) you could have CDB (Compact version of mdb) on devices. I was very easy to bring data back and forth between device and PC. cdb's were deprecated by MS when they brought out SDFs (SQLCE). You could still connect with ADO and copy stuff between the SDF and mdbs or SQL Server. SQL CE was supported by WM5/6. MS dropped support for this when they released WM7. I dropped support for MS after that :P I'm currently learning Android Development and plan to start learning Apple programming next semester. At least they both share SQLLite. On Mon, Oct 24, 2011 at 8:58 AM, Charlotte Foust wrote: > Nope, although Cellica Database will run on both Windows and Android and > allows you to connect to an Access database. It's a pain to create the > forms though because it automatically scales the form to the screen of your > phone > > Charlotte Foust > > On Mon, Oct 24, 2011 at 8:17 AM, Rusty Hammond >wrote: > > > I came across an article about an add-in for Filemaker Pro (called > > FileMaker Go) that will allow you to develop an application in Filemaker > > on your Mac or PC, then port that application to an iOS application > > ready to run on your iPhone and/or iPad. Pretty slick and I've even > > seen a mobile work order dispatch application developed using the > > set-up. An electrician is using it to send out work orders to his > > crews. He put iPads in each of his trucks. > > > > Has anyone come across one that would port an Access app to either iOS, > > Android, or maybe even Windows Mobile??? > > > > > > Rusty Hammond > > > > > > > > ********************************************************************** > > WARNING: All e-mail sent to and from this address will be received, > > scanned or otherwise recorded by the CPI Qualified Plan Consultants, Inc. > > corporate e-mail system and is subject to archival, monitoring or review > > by, and/or disclosure to, someone other than the recipient. > > ********************************************************************** > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > > > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From rusty.hammond at cpiqpc.com Mon Oct 24 12:30:12 2011 From: rusty.hammond at cpiqpc.com (Rusty Hammond) Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 12:30:12 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Any Access add-ins to put app on mobile devices? In-Reply-To: References: <49A286ABF515E94A8505CD14DEB721701744A259@CPIEMAIL-EVS1.CPIQPC.NET> Message-ID: <49A286ABF515E94A8505CD14DEB721701744A25D@CPIEMAIL-EVS1.CPIQPC.NET> The FileMaker Go app is able to tie back into a FileMaker server via a network and/or internet connection so it will sync as long as you have an internet connection and your firewall setup correctly. Looks to me like Microsoft is pushing more towards using Sharepoint for this kind of stuff. Using the browser in the mobile device. That's not a bad idea, that way there's no app to install and maintain for each mobile os. I gotta find me some more hours in the day to learn all of this stuff. Rusty -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of David McAfee Sent: Monday, October 24, 2011 12:15 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Any Access add-ins to put app on mobile devices? Up through Windows Mobile 2003 (Maybe even in WM5, I can't remember at the moment) you could have CDB (Compact version of mdb) on devices. I was very easy to bring data back and forth between device and PC. cdb's were deprecated by MS when they brought out SDFs (SQLCE). You could still connect with ADO and copy stuff between the SDF and mdbs or SQL Server. SQL CE was supported by WM5/6. MS dropped support for this when they released WM7. I dropped support for MS after that :P I'm currently learning Android Development and plan to start learning Apple programming next semester. At least they both share SQLLite. On Mon, Oct 24, 2011 at 8:58 AM, Charlotte Foust wrote: > Nope, although Cellica Database will run on both Windows and Android > and allows you to connect to an Access database. It's a pain to > create the forms though because it automatically scales the form to > the screen of your phone > > Charlotte Foust > > On Mon, Oct 24, 2011 at 8:17 AM, Rusty Hammond > >wrote: > > > I came across an article about an add-in for Filemaker Pro (called > > FileMaker Go) that will allow you to develop an application in > > Filemaker on your Mac or PC, then port that application to an iOS > > application ready to run on your iPhone and/or iPad. Pretty slick > > and I've even seen a mobile work order dispatch application > > developed using the set-up. An electrician is using it to send out > > work orders to his crews. He put iPads in each of his trucks. > > > > Has anyone come across one that would port an Access app to either > > iOS, Android, or maybe even Windows Mobile??? > > > > > > Rusty Hammond > > > > > > > > ******************************************************************** > > ** > > WARNING: All e-mail sent to and from this address will be received, > > scanned or otherwise recorded by the CPI Qualified Plan Consultants, Inc. > > corporate e-mail system and is subject to archival, monitoring or > > review by, and/or disclosure to, someone other than the recipient. > > ******************************************************************** > > ** > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > > > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com ********************************************************************** WARNING: All e-mail sent to and from this address will be received, scanned or otherwise recorded by the CPI Qualified Plan Consultants, Inc. corporate e-mail system and is subject to archival, monitoring or review by, and/or disclosure to, someone other than the recipient. ********************************************************************** From vbacreations at gmail.com Mon Oct 24 13:23:39 2011 From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson (VBACreations.Com)) Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 14:23:39 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] You cannot record your changes because... Message-ID: <003301cc927a$157ada60$40708f20$@gmail.com> I have a form with a data sheet subform. On the current event of the subform, the values from some of the fields in the data sheet subform are put into the unbound controls on the parent form. This was working fine now all of a sudden the form won't open, I get a message "You cannot record your changes because a value you entered violates the settings defined for this table or list (for example, a value is less than the minimum or greater than the maximum). Correct the error and try again. Now, as far as I know I have no validation settings of this kind, and the table which the subform is based on is a linked table (Excel range). Does someone have some suggestions for what is possibly causing this? From vbacreations at gmail.com Mon Oct 24 13:29:54 2011 From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson (VBACreations.Com)) Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 14:29:54 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] You cannot record your changes because... Message-ID: <003401cc927a$ed8fa020$c8aee060$@gmail.com> The worst past of this is that I get the same error just testing a field on the subform: Me.Control("Postal_Code").value I suspect that the underlying record has a value of #NUM after a field failed to import all data correctly. So I guess maybe if I destroy all the #NUM values in the data the subform which is based on that table might stop failing... I will try and report back. -----Original Message----- From: William Benson (VBACreations.Com) [mailto:vbacreations at gmail.com] Sent: Monday, October 24, 2011 2:24 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: You cannot record your changes because... I have a form with a data sheet subform. On the current event of the subform, the values from some of the fields in the data sheet subform are put into the unbound controls on the parent form. This was working fine now all of a sudden the form won't open, I get a message "You cannot record your changes because a value you entered violates the settings defined for this table or list (for example, a value is less than the minimum or greater than the maximum). Correct the error and try again. Now, as far as I know I have no validation settings of this kind, and the table which the subform is based on is a linked table (Excel range). Does someone have some suggestions for what is possibly causing this? From vbacreations at gmail.com Mon Oct 24 13:31:50 2011 From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson (VBACreations.Com)) Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 14:31:50 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] You cannot record your changes because... Message-ID: <003501cc927b$359658a0$a0c309e0$@gmail.com> Oh, did I say that was the worst part ...? lol. The underlying table is a linked excel file so I don't think there is anything I can do about it?!! -----Original Message----- From: William Benson (VBACreations.Com) [mailto:vbacreations at gmail.com] Sent: Monday, October 24, 2011 2:30 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: RE: You cannot record your changes because... The worst past of this is that I get the same error just testing a field on the subform: Me.Control("Postal_Code").value I suspect that the underlying record has a value of #NUM after a field failed to import all data correctly. So I guess maybe if I destroy all the #NUM values in the data the subform which is based on that table might stop failing... I will try and report back. -----Original Message----- From: William Benson (VBACreations.Com) [mailto:vbacreations at gmail.com] Sent: Monday, October 24, 2011 2:24 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: You cannot record your changes because... I have a form with a data sheet subform. On the current event of the subform, the values from some of the fields in the data sheet subform are put into the unbound controls on the parent form. This was working fine now all of a sudden the form won't open, I get a message "You cannot record your changes because a value you entered violates the settings defined for this table or list (for example, a value is less than the minimum or greater than the maximum). Correct the error and try again. Now, as far as I know I have no validation settings of this kind, and the table which the subform is based on is a linked table (Excel range). Does someone have some suggestions for what is possibly causing this? From marksimms at verizon.net Mon Oct 24 15:25:24 2011 From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms) Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 16:25:24 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] You cannot record your changes because... In-Reply-To: <003501cc927b$359658a0$a0c309e0$@gmail.com> References: <003501cc927b$359658a0$a0c309e0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <003d01cc928b$0fdc0a50$2f941ef0$@net> As you are aware, Excel employs the Variant data structure.....which allows any cell to be a long, string, date, double, boolean, etc. Converting your columns to strings may be a crude workaround, but of course, this creates other issues as well. > Oh, did I say that was the worst part ...? lol. The underlying table is > a linked excel file so I don't think there is anything I can do about it?!! From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au Mon Oct 24 17:45:12 2011 From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins) Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 22:45:12 +0000 Subject: [AccessD] Any Access add-ins to put app on mobile devices? In-Reply-To: <49A286ABF515E94A8505CD14DEB721701744A25D@CPIEMAIL-EVS1.CPIQPC.NET> References: <49A286ABF515E94A8505CD14DEB721701744A259@CPIEMAIL-EVS1.CPIQPC.NET> <49A286ABF515E94A8505CD14DEB721701744A25D@CPIEMAIL-EVS1.CPIQPC.NET> Message-ID: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55BCFFB@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com> I have set up Office 365 for my wife's small business operation - a team of about 8 people working in 2 locations plus from home and on the road. They had the usual system of craziness, multiple versions of spreadsheets, word docs everywhere - terrible version control - stuff on USB sticks - multiple copies of the database - blah blah, everyone with their own gmail or yahoo emails - just a big mess. Frankly Office 365 has been bloody brilliant. I especially love the advantage of having an Outlook exchange server via the web plus all the sharepoint stuff online. All for a small monthly fee of about $7 per user. Having the ability to organise meetings and share calendars has been great for her team. All their common database info (as Sharepoint lists now) is live and online and if one of them updates info it is immediately available to all. Best of all they can access it thru any web brower. Might not suit everyone but it has been great as the girls don't need to purchase any new software or equipment to make this work, although having Office 2010 installed on your PC raises the game to a whole new level again. They also love the Lync IM tool, which allows desktop sharing for meetings etc, plus chat and IM. Works really well. So far darn happy with the set up. Maybe not for everyone, but for her it has been great. She has neither the money, time or experience to host a dedicated server for this sort of thing so it has provided her with some real and tangible benefits. Heh, I sound like an advert I know, but credit where it is due - MS have done a good job on this. For people like Monica and her set up this sort thing is just ideal and she gets a lot of bang for her buck and it is easy for the users to understand and use. Cheers Darryl. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rusty Hammond Sent: Tuesday, 25 October 2011 4:30 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Any Access add-ins to put app on mobile devices? The FileMaker Go app is able to tie back into a FileMaker server via a network and/or internet connection so it will sync as long as you have an internet connection and your firewall setup correctly. Looks to me like Microsoft is pushing more towards using Sharepoint for this kind of stuff. Using the browser in the mobile device. That's not a bad idea, that way there's no app to install and maintain for each mobile os. I gotta find me some more hours in the day to learn all of this stuff. Rusty -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of David McAfee Sent: Monday, October 24, 2011 12:15 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Any Access add-ins to put app on mobile devices? Up through Windows Mobile 2003 (Maybe even in WM5, I can't remember at the moment) you could have CDB (Compact version of mdb) on devices. I was very easy to bring data back and forth between device and PC. cdb's were deprecated by MS when they brought out SDFs (SQLCE). You could still connect with ADO and copy stuff between the SDF and mdbs or SQL Server. SQL CE was supported by WM5/6. MS dropped support for this when they released WM7. I dropped support for MS after that :P I'm currently learning Android Development and plan to start learning Apple programming next semester. At least they both share SQLLite. On Mon, Oct 24, 2011 at 8:58 AM, Charlotte Foust wrote: > Nope, although Cellica Database will run on both Windows and Android > and allows you to connect to an Access database. It's a pain to > create the forms though because it automatically scales the form to > the screen of your phone > > Charlotte Foust > > On Mon, Oct 24, 2011 at 8:17 AM, Rusty Hammond > >wrote: > > > I came across an article about an add-in for Filemaker Pro (called > > FileMaker Go) that will allow you to develop an application in > > Filemaker on your Mac or PC, then port that application to an iOS > > application ready to run on your iPhone and/or iPad. Pretty slick > > and I've even seen a mobile work order dispatch application > > developed using the set-up. An electrician is using it to send out > > work orders to his crews. He put iPads in each of his trucks. > > > > Has anyone come across one that would port an Access app to either > > iOS, Android, or maybe even Windows Mobile??? > > > > > > Rusty Hammond > > > > > > > > ******************************************************************** > > ** > > WARNING: All e-mail sent to and from this address will be received, > > scanned or otherwise recorded by the CPI Qualified Plan Consultants, Inc. > > corporate e-mail system and is subject to archival, monitoring or > > review by, and/or disclosure to, someone other than the recipient. > > ******************************************************************** > > ** > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > > > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com ********************************************************************** WARNING: All e-mail sent to and from this address will be received, scanned or otherwise recorded by the CPI Qualified Plan Consultants, Inc. corporate e-mail system and is subject to archival, monitoring or review by, and/or disclosure to, someone other than the recipient. ********************************************************************** -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From vbacreations at gmail.com Mon Oct 24 17:57:56 2011 From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson) Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 18:57:56 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] You cannot record your changes because... In-Reply-To: <003d01cc928b$0fdc0a50$2f941ef0$@net> References: <003501cc927b$359658a0$a0c309e0$@gmail.com> <003d01cc928b$0fdc0a50$2f941ef0$@net> Message-ID: Fortunately I only need to set a couple text fields so I just tested iserror([fieldname]) as a workaround and used value property of the control holding the data only if that test was false. Thanks Mark. On Oct 24, 2011 4:27 PM, "Mark Simms" wrote: > As you are aware, Excel employs the Variant data structure.....which allows > any cell to be a long, string, date, double, boolean, etc. Converting your > columns to strings may be a crude workaround, but of course, this creates > other issues as well. > > > > Oh, did I say that was the worst part ...? lol. The underlying table is > > a linked excel file so I don't think there is anything I can do about > it?!! > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Mon Oct 24 21:32:47 2011 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 22:32:47 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] DRAM errors and ECC Message-ID: <4EA61FCF.10203@colbyconsulting.com> http://www.cs.toronto.edu/~bianca/papers/sigmetrics09.pdf -- John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it From kvanhuss at airrsystem.com Mon Oct 24 22:13:16 2011 From: kvanhuss at airrsystem.com (Kenneth W Van Huss) Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 22:13:16 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Comparing times in different time zones Message-ID: I have an unmet challenge relating to comparing times in different time zones. User on the other side of the world, literally enters time of an event. When the user saves the record in the database that time is captured, though the time is the server time, located in US central time zone. Using UTC offset I have "normalized" the times to UTC to compare against one another to ensure the record was entered within a certain amount of time. The challenge I see down the road is Day Light Savings time and the impact that will have on the offset. Anyone experience this before? Thanks! Ken From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au Mon Oct 24 22:27:19 2011 From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins) Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 03:27:19 +0000 Subject: [AccessD] Comparing times in different time zones In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55BEA60@SINPRD0402MB102.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com> Bloody hell Ken, That is going to be a struggle to get right given all the Local time zones you are going to need to deal with. Just in Oz alone it is a mess with some states on Daylight saving time and other states ignore it. This leads to stupid situations where you will have two cities in the same zone being 1 hour apart. I am sure Australia doesn't have a monopoly on this sort of weirdness. I deal a lot with Asia and the US and Africa these days so I use this website <> to keep track of different times, maybe it can help you out? I guess it depends on where you are grabbing the offset from and if it is automatically updated or not? -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kenneth W Van Huss Sent: Tuesday, 25 October 2011 2:13 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: [AccessD] Comparing times in different time zones I have an unmet challenge relating to comparing times in different time zones. User on the other side of the world, literally enters time of an event. When the user saves the record in the database that time is captured, though the time is the server time, located in US central time zone. Using UTC offset I have "normalized" the times to UTC to compare against one another to ensure the record was entered within a certain amount of time. The challenge I see down the road is Day Light Savings time and the impact that will have on the offset. Anyone experience this before? Thanks! Ken -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Mon Oct 24 23:13:26 2011 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 14:13:26 +1000 Subject: [AccessD] Comparing times in different time zones In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4EA63766.11598.183CF3CF@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> You need to store all the times as FileTime or Unix Time. Storing as FileTime lets you use the API calls FileTimeToSystemTime SystemTimeToTzSpecificLocalTime SystemTimeToFileTime to get local times as required. If you want to use UnixTime instead, then UnixTime = FileTime/10000000 - 11644473600 -- Stuart On 24 Oct 2011 at 22:13, Kenneth W Van Huss wrote: > I have an unmet challenge relating to comparing times in different > time zones. User on the other side of the world, literally enters > time of an event. When the user saves the record in the database that > time is captured, though the time is the server time, located in US > central time zone. Using UTC offset I have "normalized" the times to > UTC to compare against one another to ensure the record was entered > within a certain amount of time. The challenge I see down the road is > Day Light Savings time and the impact that will have on the offset. > Anyone experience this before? > > > > Thanks! > > Ken > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From kvanhuss at airrsystem.com Mon Oct 24 23:25:34 2011 From: kvanhuss at airrsystem.com (Kenneth Van Huss) Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 04:25:34 +0000 Subject: [AccessD] Comparing times in different time zones In-Reply-To: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55BEA60@SINPRD0402MB102.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com> References: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55BEA60@SINPRD0402MB102.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com> Message-ID: <997259757-1319516763-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-236620887-@b2.c7.bise6.blackberry> If captain Kirk could have a univerdal "stardate" surely we have one universal time that could be used here on our planet. Sent on the Sprint? 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Your cooperation is appreciated.==================================================================In consideration of the environment ? please do not print this emailunless absolutely necessary. -----Original Message----- From: Darryl Collins Sender: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.comDate: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 03:27:19 To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Comparing times in different time zones Bloody hell Ken, That is going to be a struggle to get right given all the Local time zones you are going to need to deal with. Just in Oz alone it is a mess with some states on Daylight saving time and other states ignore it. This leads to stupid situations where you will have two cities in the same zone being 1 hour apart. I am sure Australia doesn't have a monopoly on this sort of weirdness. I deal a lot with Asia and the US and Africa these days so I use this website <> to keep track of different times, maybe it can help you out? I guess it depends on where you are grabbing the offset from and if it is automatically updated or not? -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kenneth W Van Huss Sent: Tuesday, 25 October 2011 2:13 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: [AccessD] Comparing times in different time zones I have an unmet challenge relating to comparing times in different time zones. User on the other side of the world, literally enters time of an event. When the user saves the record in the database that time is captured, though the time is the server time, located in US central time zone. Using UTC offset I have "normalized" the times to UTC to compare against one another to ensure the record was entered within a certain amount of time. The challenge I see down the road is Day Light Savings time and the impact that will have on the offset. Anyone experience this before? Thanks! Ken -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From kvanhuss at airrsystem.com Mon Oct 24 23:37:23 2011 From: kvanhuss at airrsystem.com (Kenneth W Van Huss) Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 23:37:23 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Comparing times in different time zones In-Reply-To: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55BEA60@SINPRD0402MB102.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com> References: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55BEA60@SINPRD0402MB102.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com> Message-ID: I found a table, but don't recall where, that has the offset for all the countries with which I am currently dealing. I added a field to the location table that includes the UTC Offset. So for Iraq, I take the local time and convert it to UTC/GMT using the offset in the location table. I take the server time, US Central, and convert it to UTC/GMT. Now I can compare the time of the event against the time it was entered into the database. So right now as we write, the comparison is fine. But it will become a maintenance nightmare on an ongoing basis, I think because these offsets change depending on time of year and Daylight Savings Time. Keeping in synch will be a real challenge. What happens for example if an event occurs the morning of transition to or from DST in a time zone that just changed, and we need to compare it against server time 8 time zones away, which has not yet switched to DST. I guess I can't see the forest for the trees right now and need some clarity. Any ideas are greatly appreciated. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darryl Collins Sent: Monday, October 24, 2011 10:27 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Comparing times in different time zones Bloody hell Ken, That is going to be a struggle to get right given all the Local time zones you are going to need to deal with. Just in Oz alone it is a mess with some states on Daylight saving time and other states ignore it. This leads to stupid situations where you will have two cities in the same zone being 1 hour apart. I am sure Australia doesn't have a monopoly on this sort of weirdness. I deal a lot with Asia and the US and Africa these days so I use this website <> to keep track of different times, maybe it can help you out? I guess it depends on where you are grabbing the offset from and if it is automatically updated or not? -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kenneth W Van Huss Sent: Tuesday, 25 October 2011 2:13 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: [AccessD] Comparing times in different time zones I have an unmet challenge relating to comparing times in different time zones. User on the other side of the world, literally enters time of an event. When the user saves the record in the database that time is captured, though the time is the server time, located in US central time zone. Using UTC offset I have "normalized" the times to UTC to compare against one another to ensure the record was entered within a certain amount of time. The challenge I see down the road is Day Light Savings time and the impact that will have on the offset. Anyone experience this before? Thanks! Ken -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From kvanhuss at airrsystem.com Mon Oct 24 23:39:15 2011 From: kvanhuss at airrsystem.com (Kenneth W Van Huss) Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 23:39:15 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Comparing times in different time zones In-Reply-To: <4EA63766.11598.183CF3CF@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: <4EA63766.11598.183CF3CF@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: Stuart, Thanks. That is what I need. I will research and see how to apply. Ken -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan Sent: Monday, October 24, 2011 11:13 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Comparing times in different time zones You need to store all the times as FileTime or Unix Time. Storing as FileTime lets you use the API calls FileTimeToSystemTime SystemTimeToTzSpecificLocalTime SystemTimeToFileTime to get local times as required. If you want to use UnixTime instead, then UnixTime = FileTime/10000000 - 11644473600 -- Stuart On 24 Oct 2011 at 22:13, Kenneth W Van Huss wrote: > I have an unmet challenge relating to comparing times in different > time zones. User on the other side of the world, literally enters > time of an event. When the user saves the record in the database that > time is captured, though the time is the server time, located in US > central time zone. Using UTC offset I have "normalized" the times to > UTC to compare against one another to ensure the record was entered > within a certain amount of time. The challenge I see down the road is > Day Light Savings time and the impact that will have on the offset. > Anyone experience this before? > > > > Thanks! > > Ken > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Mon Oct 24 23:41:38 2011 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 14:41:38 +1000 Subject: [AccessD] Comparing times in different time zones In-Reply-To: <997259757-1319516763-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-236620887-@b2.c7.bise6.blackberry> Message-ID: <4EA63E02.5085.8111F@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> We have, it's called UTC aka Co-ordinated Universal Time -- Stuart On 25 Oct 2011 at 4:25, Kenneth Van Huss wrote: > If captain Kirk could have a univerdal "stardate" surely we have one > universal time that could be used here on our planet. > From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Mon Oct 24 23:44:51 2011 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 14:44:51 +1000 Subject: [AccessD] Comparing times in different time zones In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <4EA63EC3.27953.B01C4@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> How are these times being entered into the database? Can't you convert the local time to UTC before saving? The computer where the data is being entered always knows its current offset from UTC. -- Stuart On 24 Oct 2011 at 23:37, Kenneth W Van Huss wrote: > I found a table, but don't recall where, that has the offset for all > the countries with which I am currently dealing. I added a field to > the location table that includes the UTC Offset. So for Iraq, I take > the local time and convert it to UTC/GMT using the offset in the > location table. I take the server time, US Central, and convert it to > UTC/GMT. Now I can compare the time of the event against the time it > was entered into the database. So right now as we write, the > comparison is fine. > > But it will become a maintenance nightmare on an ongoing basis, I > think because these offsets change depending on time of year and > Daylight Savings Time. Keeping in synch will be a real challenge. > What happens for example if an event occurs the morning of transition > to or from DST in a time zone that just changed, and we need to > compare it against server time 8 time zones away, which has not yet > switched to DST. > > I guess I can't see the forest for the trees right now and need some > clarity. Any ideas are greatly appreciated. > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darryl > Collins Sent: Monday, October 24, 2011 10:27 PM To: Access Developers > discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Comparing times > in different time zones > > Bloody hell Ken, > > That is going to be a struggle to get right given all the Local time > zones you are going to need to deal with. Just in Oz alone it is a > mess with some states on Daylight saving time and other states ignore > it. This leads to stupid situations where you will have two cities in > the same zone being 1 hour apart. > > I am sure Australia doesn't have a monopoly on this sort of weirdness. > > I deal a lot with Asia and the US and Africa these days so I use this > website <> to keep track of > different times, maybe it can help you out? > > I guess it depends on where you are grabbing the offset from and if it > is automatically updated or not? > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kenneth W > Van Huss Sent: Tuesday, 25 October 2011 2:13 PM To: Access Developers > discussion and problem solving Subject: [AccessD] Comparing times in > different time zones > > I have an unmet challenge relating to comparing times in different > time zones. User on the other side of the world, literally enters > time of an event. When the user saves the record in the database that > time is captured, though the time is the server time, located in US > central time zone. Using UTC offset I have "normalized" the times to > UTC to compare against one another to ensure the record was entered > within a certain amount of time. The challenge I see down the road is > Day Light Savings time and the impact that will have on the offset. > Anyone experience this before? > > > > Thanks! > > Ken > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From Gustav at cactus.dk Tue Oct 25 02:56:20 2011 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 09:56:20 +0200 Subject: [AccessD] Comparing times in different time zones Message-ID: Hi Ken There are two methods. One is to convert any time recorded to UTC before storing it. Then everything is "normalised", and times can be directly compared. The other is to record the time as local time including (most likely in a separate field) the current offset (including a DST value) between local time and UTC. Then local time can be directly compared, and time can easily be converted to compare with time of UTC or other time zones. Some of the latest database engines can store date/time including an offset from UTC in a single field. /gustav >>> kvanhuss at airrsystem.com 25-10-2011 05:13 >>> I have an unmet challenge relating to comparing times in different time zones. User on the other side of the world, literally enters time of an event. When the user saves the record in the database that time is captured, though the time is the server time, located in US central time zone. Using UTC offset I have "normalized" the times to UTC to compare against one another to ensure the record was entered within a certain amount of time. The challenge I see down the road is Day Light Savings time and the impact that will have on the offset. Anyone experience this before? Thanks! Ken From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Tue Oct 25 06:07:31 2011 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 07:07:31 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Syncing Virtual Machines Message-ID: <4EA69873.7000104@colbyconsulting.com> I have a virtual machine server (Colby-VM) and last weekend I rebuilt that machine - new motherboard / memory in preparation for a faster CPU etc. I store all my stuff on a RAID array on a dedicated controller, and which survives nicely across upgrades so I got lazy and did not backup. (almost) Everything that could go wrong did and by the end of the experience I was sweating bullets about whether I was going to find one of my critical VMs. I did get all the VMs back, but this brought me to the question of how the pros migrate machines from server to server. My SQL Server (Azul) has Windows 2008 with Hyper-V installed and I am wondering how to cause a VM to be kept synced on two servers so that it can just fire up and go when the usual VM server has to be brought down. Hyper-V has an "export / import" but that takes a loooong time to perform. Is anyone out there involved in this stuff and do you have any answers to this problem? I would love to be able to just shut the machine down on one server and bring it up on the other. My impression is that it is possible to migrate without even shutting down the VM. How is this magic done? -- John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it From rusty.hammond at cpiqpc.com Tue Oct 25 09:05:13 2011 From: rusty.hammond at cpiqpc.com (Rusty Hammond) Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 09:05:13 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Syncing Virtual Machines In-Reply-To: <4EA69873.7000104@colbyconsulting.com> References: <4EA69873.7000104@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <49A286ABF515E94A8505CD14DEB721701744A265@CPIEMAIL-EVS1.CPIQPC.NET> I don't know the details, but in our environment we have two servers running off the same SAN in a failover cluster. They have to be configured as active and failover and may require an enterprise version of SQL? It also allows us to do upgrades to each machine while the sql instance keeps on running. I found this link for more info: http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms189134.aspx HTH Rusty -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2011 6:08 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving; VBA; Sqlserver-Dba Subject: [AccessD] Syncing Virtual Machines I have a virtual machine server (Colby-VM) and last weekend I rebuilt that machine - new motherboard / memory in preparation for a faster CPU etc. I store all my stuff on a RAID array on a dedicated controller, and which survives nicely across upgrades so I got lazy and did not backup. (almost) Everything that could go wrong did and by the end of the experience I was sweating bullets about whether I was going to find one of my critical VMs. I did get all the VMs back, but this brought me to the question of how the pros migrate machines from server to server. My SQL Server (Azul) has Windows 2008 with Hyper-V installed and I am wondering how to cause a VM to be kept synced on two servers so that it can just fire up and go when the usual VM server has to be brought down. Hyper-V has an "export / import" but that takes a loooong time to perform. Is anyone out there involved in this stuff and do you have any answers to this problem? I would love to be able to just shut the machine down on one server and bring it up on the other. My impression is that it is possible to migrate without even shutting down the VM. How is this magic done? -- John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com ********************************************************************** WARNING: All e-mail sent to and from this address will be received, scanned or otherwise recorded by the CPI Qualified Plan Consultants, Inc. corporate e-mail system and is subject to archival, monitoring or review by, and/or disclosure to, someone other than the recipient. ********************************************************************** From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Tue Oct 25 10:00:53 2011 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 11:00:53 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] [dba-SQLServer] Syncing Virtual Machines In-Reply-To: <4EA6BC19.6080207@colbyconsulting.com> References: <4EA69873.7000104@colbyconsulting.com> <-3381981045989815633@unknownmsgid> <4EA6BC19.6080207@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <4EA6CF25.1030809@colbyconsulting.com> I have to say that Microsoft's VM system is just unfriendly. I understand that this stuff is complicated but that is all the more reason for Microsoft to spend the time to make it easier. 1) I have no idea the "why" behind this stuff but you cannot simply select the xml file and "mount" a VM. 2) If you "export" a vm then it can be imported. 3) AFAICT you cannot export a vm while it is running. The export menu item simply isn't there. 4) The export fails to a share on another machine on the directory. 5) The accepted fix is to add "machine" to the objects that the share allows and then select the source machine. 6) "Machine" is not a selection (on my machine) so I can't do that. 7) Even for people who are able to and try that, it only works some of the time. 8) When it fails it gives a generic "means nothing except it didn't work" error message. 9) There is no "backup", you have to "register" Hyper-V with the backup service / role. 10) Doing that requires a somewhat extensive manual modification to the registry. 11) Even if you can, the backup process is almost impossible to make happen unless you are backing up to identical machines. Two hours later I am no closer to getting a real automated backup happening of my virtual machines. I am now copying the files themselves. As I have always done in the past, because I ran into this same brick wall every time. :( 12) Having done that I cannot simply mount it on the machine I am copying it to. I have to manually create the machine on that destination machine and start it. Can you say "Frankenstein monster"? VMS are just way cool technology. Until you have to maintain them. John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it >>> On Tue, Oct 25, 2011 at 7:07 AM, jwcolbywrote: >>> >>>> I have a virtual machine server (Colby-VM) and last weekend I rebuilt that >>>> machine - new motherboard / memory in preparation for a faster CPU etc. I >>>> store all my stuff on a RAID array on a dedicated controller, and which >>>> survives nicely across upgrades so I got lazy and did not backup. (almost) >>>> Everything that could go wrong did and by the end of the experience I was >>>> sweating bullets about whether I was going to find one of my critical VMs. >>>> >>>> From dbdoug at gmail.com Tue Oct 25 11:14:34 2011 From: dbdoug at gmail.com (Doug Steele) Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 09:14:34 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Problem with .Net and Access Message-ID: Hello All: I have two very similar .Net 4.0 websites which use Access back ends. The first site runs on a Windows 7 server with IIS7 and has no problem accessing the Access back end in a multi user environment. The second site runs OK on my development machine on Win 7 and IIS7. I am trying to get the second site to run on the client's Windows XP server with IIS5.1. It runs perfectly well as long as it has exclusive access to the back end db, but as soon as the back end db is opened by another user, I get a "Could not use ''; file already in use" message. The connection strings in the two sites are identical. Does anyone have any suggestions? Thanks, Doug From Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com Tue Oct 25 11:16:46 2011 From: Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com (Kaup, Chester) Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 11:16:46 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Data Type Mismatch in Criteria Expression Message-ID: <0B2BF8524B73A248A2F1B81BA751ED3C1988A42280@houex1.kindermorgan.com> The following criteria generates the data type mismatch in criteria expression error. The field PID is a text field. What am I missing? Expr1: IIf(Right([ConfigMaster].[PID],1)="S" Or Right([ConfigMaster].[PID],1)="L", Right([ConfigMaster].[PID],Len([ConfigMaster].[PID]-4)),2) The following works correctly Expr1: IIf(Right([ConfigMaster].[PID],1)="S" Or Right([ConfigMaster].[PID],1)="L",1,2) Chester Kaup Engineering Technician Kinder Morgan CO2 Company, LLP Office (432) 688-3797 FAX (432) 688-3799 ? No trees were killed in the sending of this message. However a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced. From Gustav at cactus.dk Tue Oct 25 11:24:25 2011 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 18:24:25 +0200 Subject: [AccessD] Data Type Mismatch in Criteria Expression Message-ID: Hi Chester It should read: .. Len([ConfigMaster].[PID])-4 /gustav >>> Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com 25-10-2011 18:16:46 >>> The following criteria generates the data type mismatch in criteria expression error. The field PID is a text field. What am I missing? Expr1: IIf(Right([ConfigMaster].[PID],1)="S" Or Right([ConfigMaster].[PID],1)="L", Right([ConfigMaster].[PID],Len([ConfigMaster].[PID]-4)),2) The following works correctly Expr1: IIf(Right([ConfigMaster].[PID],1)="S" Or Right([ConfigMaster].[PID],1)="L",1,2) Chester Kaup Engineering Technician Kinder Morgan CO2 Company, LLP Office (432) 688-3797 FAX (432) 688-3799 No trees were killed in the sending of this message. However a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced. From jm.hwsn at gmail.com Tue Oct 25 11:26:09 2011 From: jm.hwsn at gmail.com (jm.hwsn) Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 11:26:09 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Data Type Mismatch in Criteria Expression In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4ea6e323.2015640a.606e.ffff90fe@mx.google.com> I thought it should read: ... Len([ConfigMaster].[PID],-4) -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2011 11:24 AM To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [AccessD] Data Type Mismatch in Criteria Expression Hi Chester It should read: .. Len([ConfigMaster].[PID])-4 /gustav >>> Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com 25-10-2011 18:16:46 >>> The following criteria generates the data type mismatch in criteria expression error. The field PID is a text field. What am I missing? Expr1: IIf(Right([ConfigMaster].[PID],1)="S" Or Right([ConfigMaster].[PID],1)="L", Right([ConfigMaster].[PID],Len([ConfigMaster].[PID]-4)),2) The following works correctly Expr1: IIf(Right([ConfigMaster].[PID],1)="S" Or Right([ConfigMaster].[PID],1)="L",1,2) Chester Kaup Engineering Technician Kinder Morgan CO2 Company, LLP Office (432) 688-3797 FAX (432) 688-3799 No trees were killed in the sending of this message. However a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced. -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com Tue Oct 25 11:28:39 2011 From: Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com (Kaup, Chester) Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 11:28:39 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Data Type Mismatch in Criteria Expression In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0B2BF8524B73A248A2F1B81BA751ED3C1988A4228C@houex1.kindermorgan.com> Thanks! Been looking at it to long. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2011 11:24 AM To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [AccessD] Data Type Mismatch in Criteria Expression Hi Chester It should read: .. Len([ConfigMaster].[PID])-4 /gustav >>> Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com 25-10-2011 18:16:46 >>> The following criteria generates the data type mismatch in criteria expression error. The field PID is a text field. What am I missing? Expr1: IIf(Right([ConfigMaster].[PID],1)="S" Or Right([ConfigMaster].[PID],1)="L", Right([ConfigMaster].[PID],Len([ConfigMaster].[PID]-4)),2) The following works correctly Expr1: IIf(Right([ConfigMaster].[PID],1)="S" Or Right([ConfigMaster].[PID],1)="L",1,2) Chester Kaup Engineering Technician Kinder Morgan CO2 Company, LLP Office (432) 688-3797 FAX (432) 688-3799 No trees were killed in the sending of this message. However a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced. -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com Tue Oct 25 11:36:16 2011 From: Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com (Kaup, Chester) Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 11:36:16 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Data Type Mismatch in Criteria Expression In-Reply-To: <4ea6e323.2015640a.606e.ffff90fe@mx.google.com> References: <4ea6e323.2015640a.606e.ffff90fe@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <0B2BF8524B73A248A2F1B81BA751ED3C1988A42290@houex1.kindermorgan.com> Len([ConfigMaster].[PID])-4 is correct. The way I had it I was trying to subtract an integer from a text field. Just doesn't work. I wanted to change the result of the Len function. Thanks all. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jm.hwsn Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2011 11:26 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Data Type Mismatch in Criteria Expression I thought it should read: ... Len([ConfigMaster].[PID],-4) -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2011 11:24 AM To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [AccessD] Data Type Mismatch in Criteria Expression Hi Chester It should read: .. Len([ConfigMaster].[PID])-4 /gustav >>> Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com 25-10-2011 18:16:46 >>> The following criteria generates the data type mismatch in criteria expression error. The field PID is a text field. What am I missing? Expr1: IIf(Right([ConfigMaster].[PID],1)="S" Or Right([ConfigMaster].[PID],1)="L", Right([ConfigMaster].[PID],Len([ConfigMaster].[PID]-4)),2) The following works correctly Expr1: IIf(Right([ConfigMaster].[PID],1)="S" Or Right([ConfigMaster].[PID],1)="L",1,2) Chester Kaup Engineering Technician Kinder Morgan CO2 Company, LLP Office (432) 688-3797 FAX (432) 688-3799 No trees were killed in the sending of this message. However a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced. -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jm.hwsn at gmail.com Tue Oct 25 11:38:46 2011 From: jm.hwsn at gmail.com (jm.hwsn) Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 11:38:46 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Data Type Mismatch in Criteria Expression In-Reply-To: <0B2BF8524B73A248A2F1B81BA751ED3C1988A4228C@houex1.kindermorgan.com> References: <0B2BF8524B73A248A2F1B81BA751ED3C1988A4228C@houex1.kindermorgan.com> Message-ID: <4ea6e618.04bc650a.53e9.610a@mx.google.com> Boy, I feel stupid. In my previous email, I really blew it. Talk about the aha moment. Sorry for irritating the electrons... and waste of bandwidth. Jim -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kaup, Chester Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2011 11:29 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Data Type Mismatch in Criteria Expression Thanks! Been looking at it to long. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2011 11:24 AM To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [AccessD] Data Type Mismatch in Criteria Expression Hi Chester It should read: .. Len([ConfigMaster].[PID])-4 /gustav >>> Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com 25-10-2011 18:16:46 >>> The following criteria generates the data type mismatch in criteria expression error. The field PID is a text field. What am I missing? Expr1: IIf(Right([ConfigMaster].[PID],1)="S" Or Right([ConfigMaster].[PID],1)="L", Right([ConfigMaster].[PID],Len([ConfigMaster].[PID]-4)),2) The following works correctly Expr1: IIf(Right([ConfigMaster].[PID],1)="S" Or Right([ConfigMaster].[PID],1)="L",1,2) Chester Kaup Engineering Technician Kinder Morgan CO2 Company, LLP Office (432) 688-3797 FAX (432) 688-3799 No trees were killed in the sending of this message. However a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced. -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jimdettman at verizon.net Tue Oct 25 12:33:46 2011 From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman) Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 13:33:46 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Problem with .Net and Access In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Doug, Given that the strings are identical, a first guess would be permissions. Make sure the Web server account and the other user both have full privs (read, write, delete) for the DB directory. Also that you don't have two DB's in the directory with the same base name (ie. myApp.MDB and myApp.MDW). If you do, the LDB file will end up with the same name in both cases and all kinds of weird things will happen. Finally, make sure it's not being virus scanned at open. Those are all the usual culprits. Jim. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Doug Steele Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2011 12:15 PM To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com Subject: [AccessD] Problem with .Net and Access Hello All: I have two very similar .Net 4.0 websites which use Access back ends. The first site runs on a Windows 7 server with IIS7 and has no problem accessing the Access back end in a multi user environment. The second site runs OK on my development machine on Win 7 and IIS7. I am trying to get the second site to run on the client's Windows XP server with IIS5.1. It runs perfectly well as long as it has exclusive access to the back end db, but as soon as the back end db is opened by another user, I get a "Could not use ''; file already in use" message. The connection strings in the two sites are identical. Does anyone have any suggestions? Thanks, Doug -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From dbdoug at gmail.com Tue Oct 25 13:17:46 2011 From: dbdoug at gmail.com (Doug Steele) Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 11:17:46 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Problem with .Net and Access In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks, Jim. Setting the 'ASPNET' user to have full permissions on the folder containing the database has fixed the problem. The default permissions were read only. Can you explain why this is required when the .mdb is already opened by another user, but isn't necessary when the website is the only 'user' opening the .mdb file? You still have to be able to write to a folder to open the .mdb. Doug On Tue, Oct 25, 2011 at 10:33 AM, Jim Dettman wrote: > Make sure the Web server account and the other user both have full privs > (read, write, delete) for the DB directory. > From charlotte.foust at gmail.com Tue Oct 25 16:47:02 2011 From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust) Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 14:47:02 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Problem with .Net and Access In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Last one out has to be able to delete the ldb file. If they don't have full permissions, that isn't possible. If they don't have write permissions, they can't be entered into the ldb file, and if they don't have create permissions, they can't create it if they're the first ones in. Charlotte Foust On Tue, Oct 25, 2011 at 11:17 AM, Doug Steele wrote: > Thanks, Jim. > > Setting the 'ASPNET' user to have full permissions on the folder containing > the database has fixed the problem. The default permissions were read > only. > > Can you explain why this is required when the .mdb is already opened by > another user, but isn't necessary when the website is the only 'user' > opening the .mdb file? You still have to be able to write to a folder to > open the .mdb. > > Doug > > > On Tue, Oct 25, 2011 at 10:33 AM, Jim Dettman >wrote: > > > Make sure the Web server account and the other user both have full privs > > (read, write, delete) for the DB directory. > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > From jedi at charm.net Tue Oct 25 17:12:21 2011 From: jedi at charm.net (Michael Bahr) Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 18:12:21 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [AccessD] Syncing Virtual Machines In-Reply-To: <4EA69873.7000104@colbyconsulting.com> References: <4EA69873.7000104@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <3433.24.35.110.201.1319580741.squirrel@mail.expedient.net> > I did get all the VMs back, but this brought me to the question of how the > pros migrate machines > from server to server. My SQL Server (Azul) has Windows 2008 with Hyper-V > installed and I am > wondering how to cause a VM to be kept synced on two servers so that it > can just fire up and go when > the usual VM server has to be brought down. Hyper-V has an "export / > import" but that takes a > loooong time to perform. I have used VirtualBox and VMWare Player/Workstation and these have an option of "I have moved it" or "I have copied it". So this means you can either copy or move **all** the vm parts to another computer and then fire up that mechines' VM device and tell it where the parts are. If I understand your question. Mike... From vbacreations at gmail.com Tue Oct 25 20:20:27 2011 From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson) Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 21:20:27 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Value List ListBox retuning Null instead of one of its Columns Message-ID: I have a listbox. It is ValueList rowsourceType. That rowsource is 001005065;HOLLISTON MILLS INC I am trying to query the column property in order to get HOLLISTON MILLS INC but it is coming back as null ?lstCompany.Column(0,1) Null ?lstCompany.Column(0,0) 001005065 ?lstCompany.columncount 2 ?lstCompany.rowsource 001005065;HOLLISTON MILLS INC Can someone tell me if there is a different property I am supposed to use? Nothing is selected in the listbox, it is a single-row listbox specifically designed to hold a value in a hidden column (in this case '001005065') and display the other value ('HOLLISTON MILLS INC') which it does wonderfully, but it is not giving me access to the second column. Note: I am very aware I can, since I know the rowsource, parse it and retrieve the HOLLISTON MILLS INC part .. that is my current workaround. but I would like to better understand what is going on. Thanks!!! From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Tue Oct 25 21:13:29 2011 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 22:13:29 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Syncing Virtual Machines In-Reply-To: <3433.24.35.110.201.1319580741.squirrel@mail.expedient.net> References: <4EA69873.7000104@colbyconsulting.com> <3433.24.35.110.201.1319580741.squirrel@mail.expedient.net> Message-ID: <4EA76CC9.60101@colbyconsulting.com> I used VMWare for perhaps 2 years but when I installed Windows 2008 and Hyper-V suddenly VMWare stopped working. If I understand it right, the two do not co-exist which makes sense seeing as both are trying to "own" the hardware for virtualizing it for the VMs. In any event I now use Hyper-V. John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it On 10/25/2011 6:12 PM, Michael Bahr wrote: > > >> I did get all the VMs back, but this brought me to the question of how the >> pros migrate machines >> from server to server. My SQL Server (Azul) has Windows 2008 with Hyper-V >> installed and I am >> wondering how to cause a VM to be kept synced on two servers so that it >> can just fire up and go when >> the usual VM server has to be brought down. Hyper-V has an "export / >> import" but that takes a >> loooong time to perform. > > I have used VirtualBox and VMWare Player/Workstation and these have an > option of "I have moved it" or "I have copied it". So this means you can > either copy or move **all** the vm parts to another computer and then fire > up that mechines' VM device and tell it where the parts are. If I > understand your question. > > > Mike... > > From darren at activebilling.com.au Tue Oct 25 22:58:21 2011 From: darren at activebilling.com.au (Darren - Active Billing) Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2011 14:58:21 +1100 Subject: [AccessD] Value List ListBox retuning Null instead of one of its Columns Message-ID: <01d901cc9393$81d6df00$85849d00$@activebilling.com.au> Hi William The no of columns in the property sheet of the list box is critical in this scenario If you have the number of columns set to one then access interprets each delimiter (In this case semi-colon) as a new record rather than a new column of the same record. e.g. 001005065 becomes column 1 of record 1 HOLLISTON MILLS INC becomes column1 of record 2 instead of being column 2 of record 1 Hope this helps Darren -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Benson Sent: Wednesday, 26 October 2011 12:20 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: [AccessD] Value List ListBox retuning Null instead of one of its Columns I have a listbox. It is ValueList rowsourceType. That rowsource is 001005065;HOLLISTON MILLS INC I am trying to query the column property in order to get HOLLISTON MILLS INC but it is coming back as null ?lstCompany.Column(0,1) Null ?lstCompany.Column(0,0) 001005065 ?lstCompany.columncount 2 ?lstCompany.rowsource 001005065;HOLLISTON MILLS INC Can someone tell me if there is a different property I am supposed to use? Nothing is selected in the listbox, it is a single-row listbox specifically designed to hold a value in a hidden column (in this case '001005065') and display the other value ('HOLLISTON MILLS INC') which it does wonderfully, but it is not giving me access to the second column. Note: I am very aware I can, since I know the rowsource, parse it and retrieve the HOLLISTON MILLS INC part .. that is my current workaround. but I would like to better understand what is going on. Thanks!!! -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From vbacreations at gmail.com Wed Oct 26 00:40:08 2011 From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson) Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2011 01:40:08 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Value List ListBox retuning Null instead of one of its Columns In-Reply-To: <01d901cc9393$81d6df00$85849d00$@activebilling.com.au> References: <01d901cc9393$81d6df00$85849d00$@activebilling.com.au> Message-ID: It does! I think excel does it reversed? On Oct 25, 2011 11:59 PM, "Darren - Active Billing" < darren at activebilling.com.au> wrote: > Hi William > The no of columns in the property sheet of the list box is critical in this > scenario > If you have the number of columns set to one then access interprets each > delimiter (In this case semi-colon) as a new record rather than a new > column > of the same record. > e.g. 001005065 becomes column 1 of record 1 > HOLLISTON MILLS INC becomes column1 of record 2 instead of being column 2 > of > record 1 > Hope this helps > Darren > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Benson > Sent: Wednesday, 26 October 2011 12:20 PM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: [AccessD] Value List ListBox retuning Null instead of one of its > Columns > > I have a listbox. It is ValueList rowsourceType. That rowsource is > > 001005065;HOLLISTON MILLS INC > > I am trying to query the column property in order to get HOLLISTON MILLS > INC > > but it is coming back as null > > ?lstCompany.Column(0,1) > Null > ?lstCompany.Column(0,0) > 001005065 > ?lstCompany.columncount > 2 > ?lstCompany.rowsource > 001005065;HOLLISTON MILLS INC > > Can someone tell me if there is a different property I am supposed to use? > > Nothing is selected in the listbox, it is a single-row listbox specifically > designed to hold a value in a hidden column (in this case '001005065') and > display the other value ('HOLLISTON MILLS INC') which it does wonderfully, > but it is not giving me access to the second column. > > Note: I am very aware I can, since I know the rowsource, parse it and > retrieve the HOLLISTON MILLS INC part .. that is my current workaround. but > I would like to better understand what is going on. > > Thanks!!! > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From vbacreations at gmail.com Wed Oct 26 00:42:41 2011 From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson) Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2011 01:42:41 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Value List ListBox retuning Null instead of one of its Columns In-Reply-To: <01d901cc9393$81d6df00$85849d00$@activebilling.com.au> References: <01d901cc9393$81d6df00$85849d00$@activebilling.com.au> Message-ID: Reading your answer more closely... not sure related since I have the right number of columns. The issue was that column property in access listbox is (Col,row). I had it reversed. On Oct 25, 2011 11:59 PM, "Darren - Active Billing" < darren at activebilling.com.au> wrote: > Hi William > The no of columns in the property sheet of the list box is critical in this > scenario > If you have the number of columns set to one then access interprets each > delimiter (In this case semi-colon) as a new record rather than a new > column > of the same record. > e.g. 001005065 becomes column 1 of record 1 > HOLLISTON MILLS INC becomes column1 of record 2 instead of being column 2 > of > record 1 > Hope this helps > Darren > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Benson > Sent: Wednesday, 26 October 2011 12:20 PM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: [AccessD] Value List ListBox retuning Null instead of one of its > Columns > > I have a listbox. It is ValueList rowsourceType. That rowsource is > > 001005065;HOLLISTON MILLS INC > > I am trying to query the column property in order to get HOLLISTON MILLS > INC > > but it is coming back as null > > ?lstCompany.Column(0,1) > Null > ?lstCompany.Column(0,0) > 001005065 > ?lstCompany.columncount > 2 > ?lstCompany.rowsource > 001005065;HOLLISTON MILLS INC > > Can someone tell me if there is a different property I am supposed to use? > > Nothing is selected in the listbox, it is a single-row listbox specifically > designed to hold a value in a hidden column (in this case '001005065') and > display the other value ('HOLLISTON MILLS INC') which it does wonderfully, > but it is not giving me access to the second column. > > Note: I am very aware I can, since I know the rowsource, parse it and > retrieve the HOLLISTON MILLS INC part .. that is my current workaround. but > I would like to better understand what is going on. > > Thanks!!! > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From Gustav at cactus.dk Wed Oct 26 05:27:19 2011 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2011 12:27:19 +0200 Subject: [AccessD] Value List ListBox retuning Null instead of one of its Columns Message-ID: Hi William As you one row only, the row parameter is of no use. So: ?lstCompany.Column(0) 001005065 ?lstCompany.Column(1) HOLLISTON MILLS INC ?lstCompany.columncount 2 ?lstCompany.rowsource 001005065;HOLLISTON MILLS INC If you insist: ?lstCompany.Column(0,0) 001005065 ?lstCompany.Column(1,0) HOLLISTON MILLS INC /gustav >>> vbacreations at gmail.com 26-10-2011 03:20 >>> I have a listbox. It is ValueList rowsourceType. That rowsource is 001005065;HOLLISTON MILLS INC I am trying to query the column property in order to get HOLLISTON MILLS INC but it is coming back as null ?lstCompany.Column(0,1) Null ?lstCompany.Column(0,0) 001005065 ?lstCompany.columncount 2 ?lstCompany.rowsource 001005065;HOLLISTON MILLS INC Can someone tell me if there is a different property I am supposed to use? Nothing is selected in the listbox, it is a single-row listbox specifically designed to hold a value in a hidden column (in this case '001005065') and display the other value ('HOLLISTON MILLS INC') which it does wonderfully, but it is not giving me access to the second column. Note: I am very aware I can, since I know the rowsource, parse it and retrieve the HOLLISTON MILLS INC part .. that is my current workaround. but I would like to better understand what is going on. Thanks!!! From jimdettman at verizon.net Wed Oct 26 06:14:57 2011 From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman) Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2011 07:14:57 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Problem with .Net and Access In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: If the LDB file can't be created, a DB is opened exclusive. Ditto if the LDB file is there, but can't be written to. Jim. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Doug Steele Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2011 02:18 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Problem with .Net and Access Thanks, Jim. Setting the 'ASPNET' user to have full permissions on the folder containing the database has fixed the problem. The default permissions were read only. Can you explain why this is required when the .mdb is already opened by another user, but isn't necessary when the website is the only 'user' opening the .mdb file? You still have to be able to write to a folder to open the .mdb. Doug On Tue, Oct 25, 2011 at 10:33 AM, Jim Dettman wrote: > Make sure the Web server account and the other user both have full privs > (read, write, delete) for the DB directory. > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From dbdoug at gmail.com Wed Oct 26 09:52:40 2011 From: dbdoug at gmail.com (Doug Steele) Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2011 07:52:40 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Problem with .Net and Access In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks, that explains it - all these years and I didn't know that! Doug On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 4:14 AM, Jim Dettman wrote: > > If the LDB file can't be created, a DB is opened exclusive. Ditto if the > LDB file is there, but can't be written to. > > Jim. > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Doug Steele > Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2011 02:18 PM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Problem with .Net and Access > > Thanks, Jim. > > Setting the 'ASPNET' user to have full permissions on the folder containing > the database has fixed the problem. The default permissions were read > only. > > Can you explain why this is required when the .mdb is already opened by > another user, but isn't necessary when the website is the only 'user' > opening the .mdb file? You still have to be able to write to a folder to > open the .mdb. > > Doug > > > On Tue, Oct 25, 2011 at 10:33 AM, Jim Dettman >wrote: > > > Make sure the Web server account and the other user both have full privs > > (read, write, delete) for the DB directory. > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From vbacreations at gmail.com Wed Oct 26 20:49:36 2011 From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson (VBACreations.Com)) Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2011 21:49:36 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Known Bugs List in A2K7/10 In-Reply-To: <004a01cc8f99$8944af90$9bce0eb0$@net> References: <4E9E8A33.5135.61C4375@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <000901cc8eca$ac281df0$047859d0$@gmail.com> <004a01cc8f99$8944af90$9bce0eb0$@net> Message-ID: <000f01cc944a$af0e9140$0d2bb3c0$@gmail.com> How about this (forgive if posted already) In the VBE, I go to paste code from one form's code module to another ... and Access prompts me to save! I haven't figured out what the implications are of saying yes or no, since I normally will save shortly after doing this - but usually not immediately. It also generally closes some or another object that might be loaded. From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au Wed Oct 26 23:39:20 2011 From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins) Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 04:39:20 +0000 Subject: [AccessD] Known Bugs List in A2K7/10 In-Reply-To: <000f01cc944a$af0e9140$0d2bb3c0$@gmail.com> References: <4E9E8A33.5135.61C4375@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <000901cc8eca$ac281df0$047859d0$@gmail.com> <004a01cc8f99$8944af90$9bce0eb0$@net> <000f01cc944a$af0e9140$0d2bb3c0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55C824D@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com> Right.... Found PITA (1) when using Split Forms. Nice idea, but guess what. They don't' work at all on TABBED forms. Way to go MS . Just wasted the last 20 minutes playing around with that, I wonder if I can fake it by putting a table view in the footer? Going to try. Cheers Darryl. From vbacreations at gmail.com Thu Oct 27 00:29:43 2011 From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson (VBACreations.Com)) Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 01:29:43 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Known Bugs List in A2K7/10 References: <4E9E8A33.5135.61C4375@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <000901cc8eca$ac281df0$047859d0$@gmail.com> <004a01cc8f99$8944af90$9bce0eb0$@net> Message-ID: <001401cc9469$6f238ee0$4d6aaca0$@gmail.com> More Ac2010 bugs. Hard to know whether this belongs in a thread of KNOWN bugs, but they are certainly ACTIVE bugs. I am getting a message like [My Database Name] cannot complete this operation. You must stop the code and try again" Thing is, I am not running any code. I only copied an object (like a form) and tried to paste it with a new name in the database window. Furthermore, I also occasionally catch the statusbar showing me a query is running I am not doing anything except modifying some code in design time. This Ac2010 seems very much like a Ghost in the Machine gone wild, and it is not Casper the Friendly either. From delam at zyterra.com Thu Oct 27 06:17:55 2011 From: delam at zyterra.com (Debbie) Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 06:17:55 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Tab delimited text file Message-ID: <1DB987E5-91D4-4BA3-B1ED-98D8FA7F2295@zyterra.com> I have a text file being exported from access 2007 using transfer text. This creates a comma delimited file that has been working fine. The receiving end of this file has asked for a tab delimited file instead. Our attempts to create an export specification to do this has not yielded anything transfer text will acknowledge. Does anyone know how to either fix the export specification or an alternate method? This approach should remain simple and flexible if fields are added in the future. The directive is under no circumstances should I create an ongoing maintainence task for myself. Leaving as is will be suboptimal, but not impossible. Debbie Sent from my iPhone From fuller.artful at gmail.com Thu Oct 27 06:47:25 2011 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 07:47:25 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Tab delimited text file In-Reply-To: <1DB987E5-91D4-4BA3-B1ED-98D8FA7F2295@zyterra.com> References: <1DB987E5-91D4-4BA3-B1ED-98D8FA7F2295@zyterra.com> Message-ID: I have had the same problem in the past and failed to come up with a strictly-Access solution, so I adopted a more primitive method -- my favourite text editor (NoteTab). It is lightning-quick and makes it a cinch to do a global-replace, so I searched for "," and replaced it with "^T" (which in NoteTab nomenclature means "Tab"). NoteTab can handle extremely large files, too. I'm sure that other text editors can do this too. Arthur On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 7:17 AM, Debbie wrote: > I have a text file being exported from access 2007 using transfer text. > This creates a comma delimited file that has been working fine. The > receiving end of this file has asked for a tab delimited file instead. Our > attempts to create an export specification to do this has not yielded > anything transfer text will acknowledge. Does anyone know how to either fix > the export specification or an alternate method? > > From paul.hartland at googlemail.com Thu Oct 27 06:56:00 2011 From: paul.hartland at googlemail.com (Paul Hartland) Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 12:56:00 +0100 Subject: [AccessD] Tab delimited text file In-Reply-To: References: <1DB987E5-91D4-4BA3-B1ED-98D8FA7F2295@zyterra.com> Message-ID: Could you not write a function to export the file line by line, put the file into a recordset, open a text file for exporting to and loop through the recordset and print each line into the file using something like Print #FileNumber, YourRecordset.GetString(, , vbTab, vbCrLf, ""); Has worked for me in the past. On 27 October 2011 12:47, Arthur Fuller wrote: > I have had the same problem in the past and failed to come up with a > strictly-Access solution, so I adopted a more primitive method -- my > favourite text editor (NoteTab). It is lightning-quick and makes it a cinch > to do a global-replace, so I searched for "," and replaced it with "^T" > (which in NoteTab nomenclature means "Tab"). NoteTab can handle extremely > large files, too. I'm sure that other text editors can do this too. > > Arthur > > On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 7:17 AM, Debbie wrote: > > > I have a text file being exported from access 2007 using transfer text. > > This creates a comma delimited file that has been working fine. The > > receiving end of this file has asked for a tab delimited file instead. > Our > > attempts to create an export specification to do this has not yielded > > anything transfer text will acknowledge. Does anyone know how to either > fix > > the export specification or an alternate method? > > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Paul Hartland paul.hartland at googlemail.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Thu Oct 27 07:01:21 2011 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 08:01:21 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Tab delimited text file In-Reply-To: References: <1DB987E5-91D4-4BA3-B1ED-98D8FA7F2295@zyterra.com> Message-ID: That looks like a cleaner solution than my clumsy external method. A. On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 7:56 AM, Paul Hartland wrote: > Could you not write a function to export the file line by line, put the > file > into a recordset, open a text file for exporting to and loop through the > recordset and print each line into the file using something like > > Print #FileNumber, YourRecordset.GetString(, , vbTab, vbCrLf, ""); > > Has worked for me in the past. > > From delam at zyterra.com Thu Oct 27 08:01:44 2011 From: delam at zyterra.com (Debbie) Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 08:01:44 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Tab delimited text file In-Reply-To: References: <1DB987E5-91D4-4BA3-B1ED-98D8FA7F2295@zyterra.com> Message-ID: <354B971B-39DE-4243-A3DA-BFD7A171CBC3@zyterra.com> The line by line method is definitely in consideration. I was hoping for something that would be a little more friendly to the user who developed this db. You never know when someone on this list has the perfect elegant solution. Debbie Sent from my iPhone On Oct 27, 2011, at 7:01 AM, Arthur Fuller wrote: > That looks like a cleaner solution than my clumsy external method. > A. > > On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 7:56 AM, Paul Hartland > wrote: > >> Could you not write a function to export the file line by line, put the >> file >> into a recordset, open a text file for exporting to and loop through the >> recordset and print each line into the file using something like >> >> Print #FileNumber, YourRecordset.GetString(, , vbTab, vbCrLf, ""); >> >> Has worked for me in the past. >> >> > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From dnod at aol.com Thu Oct 27 08:48:12 2011 From: dnod at aol.com (Dean Davids) Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 09:48:12 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Tab delimited text file In-Reply-To: <354B971B-39DE-4243-A3DA-BFD7A171CBC3@zyterra.com> References: <1DB987E5-91D4-4BA3-B1ED-98D8FA7F2295@zyterra.com> <354B971B-39DE-4243-A3DA-BFD7A171CBC3@zyterra.com> Message-ID: <19FFE799-1BF0-428C-A9DE-DBEEE5B728D1@aol.com> Have you considered importing into Excel and then export as tab delimited? I seem to recall that as an option in Excel and that would likely be possible to automate if the user has Excel on PC. Dean S. Davids On Oct 27, 2011, at 9:01 AM, Debbie wrote: > The line by line method is definitely in consideration. I was hoping for something that would be a little more friendly to the user who developed this db. You never know when someone on this list has the perfect elegant solution. > > Debbie > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Oct 27, 2011, at 7:01 AM, Arthur Fuller wrote: > >> That looks like a cleaner solution than my clumsy external method. >> A. >> >> On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 7:56 AM, Paul Hartland >> wrote: >> >>> Could you not write a function to export the file line by line, put the >>> file >>> into a recordset, open a text file for exporting to and loop through the >>> recordset and print each line into the file using something like >>> >>> Print #FileNumber, YourRecordset.GetString(, , vbTab, vbCrLf, ""); >>> >>> Has worked for me in the past. >>> >>> >> -- >> AccessD mailing list >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From paul.hartland at googlemail.com Thu Oct 27 09:06:52 2011 From: paul.hartland at googlemail.com (Paul Hartland) Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 15:06:52 +0100 Subject: [AccessD] Tab delimited text file In-Reply-To: <354B971B-39DE-4243-A3DA-BFD7A171CBC3@zyterra.com> References: <1DB987E5-91D4-4BA3-B1ED-98D8FA7F2295@zyterra.com> <354B971B-39DE-4243-A3DA-BFD7A171CBC3@zyterra.com> Message-ID: Here is a little function I have quickly knocked together, can't find my source, but no reason why it shouldn't work, you pass a recordset to function to export, could also pass the export path name as well if you wanted: Function ExportTabDelimited(rsExport as Recordset) Dim strExportPath as String Dim fnFreeFile strExportPath = "your path and filename here" If not rsExport.BOF and not rsExport.EOF Then rsExport.MoveFirst Open strExportPath For Output As #fnFreeFile Do Until rsExport.EOF Print #fnFileNo, rsExport.GetString(, , vbTab, vbCrLf, ""); rsExport.MoveNext Loop Close #fnFreeFile End If End Function On 27 October 2011 14:01, Debbie wrote: > The line by line method is definitely in consideration. I was hoping for > something that would be a little more friendly to the user who developed > this db. You never know when someone on this list has the perfect elegant > solution. > > Debbie > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Oct 27, 2011, at 7:01 AM, Arthur Fuller > wrote: > > > That looks like a cleaner solution than my clumsy external method. > > A. > > > > On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 7:56 AM, Paul Hartland < > paul.hartland at googlemail.com > >> wrote: > > > >> Could you not write a function to export the file line by line, put the > >> file > >> into a recordset, open a text file for exporting to and loop through the > >> recordset and print each line into the file using something like > >> > >> Print #FileNumber, YourRecordset.GetString(, , vbTab, vbCrLf, ""); > >> > >> Has worked for me in the past. > >> > >> > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Paul Hartland paul.hartland at googlemail.com From ssharkins at gmail.com Thu Oct 27 09:47:04 2011 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 10:47:04 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Convert 2007/2010 to 2003 Message-ID: <931F83B6ACA24D53997914B5D778E7CD@SusanHarkins> I had fudge after breakfast so I guess I'm just in a diabetic fizzy, but... can't you demote a 2007/2010 database back to 2003? I can't find a setting that will convert, within 2010. Am I just missing it or am I expecting too much? Susan H. From fuller.artful at gmail.com Thu Oct 27 09:56:36 2011 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 10:56:36 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Convert 2007/2010 to 2003 In-Reply-To: <931F83B6ACA24D53997914B5D778E7CD@SusanHarkins> References: <931F83B6ACA24D53997914B5D778E7CD@SusanHarkins> Message-ID: I don't use 2010 but I do use 2007, and have found that it is demote-able just fine IF you have not used features unavailable in 2003. However, chances are the reason you moved to 2007 is precisely for its new features, and there's the rub. No quick fix for this problem, methinks. A. On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 10:47 AM, Susan Harkins wrote: > I had fudge after breakfast so I guess I'm just in a diabetic fizzy, but... > can't you demote a 2007/2010 database back to 2003? I can't find a setting > that will convert, within 2010. Am I just missing it or am I expecting too > much? > > Susan H. > From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Thu Oct 27 09:57:48 2011 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 07:57:48 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Tab delimited text file In-Reply-To: <354B971B-39DE-4243-A3DA-BFD7A171CBC3@zyterra.com> References: <1DB987E5-91D4-4BA3-B1ED-98D8FA7F2295@zyterra.com> <354B971B-39DE-4243-A3DA-BFD7A171CBC3@zyterra.com> Message-ID: <99348B128A754AA09535B5BCBBE14017@HAL9007> I'll second the VBA approach. I have used it several times because of the unreliability of the Transfer functions - TransferText, TrasferSpreadsheet, etc. It's not very much code and you have complete control - build the string and output it to your file using Print #. Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software 858-259-4334 www.bchacc.com www.e-z-mrp.com -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Debbie Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2011 6:02 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Tab delimited text file The line by line method is definitely in consideration. I was hoping for something that would be a little more friendly to the user who developed this db. You never know when someone on this list has the perfect elegant solution. Debbie Sent from my iPhone On Oct 27, 2011, at 7:01 AM, Arthur Fuller wrote: > That looks like a cleaner solution than my clumsy external method. > A. > > On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 7:56 AM, Paul Hartland > > wrote: > >> Could you not write a function to export the file line by line, put >> the file into a recordset, open a text file for exporting to and loop >> through the recordset and print each line into the file using >> something like >> >> Print #FileNumber, YourRecordset.GetString(, , vbTab, vbCrLf, ""); >> >> Has worked for me in the past. >> >> > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From ssharkins at gmail.com Thu Oct 27 10:19:38 2011 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 11:19:38 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Convert 2007/2010 to 2003 References: <931F83B6ACA24D53997914B5D778E7CD@SusanHarkins> Message-ID: Not in this case, just wanting to demote a simple demo to 2003. Where's the setting to do that Arthur? I can't find anything. Susan H. >I don't use 2010 but I do use 2007, and have found that it is demote-able > just fine IF you have not used features unavailable in 2003. However, > chances are the reason you moved to 2007 is precisely for its new > features, > and there's the rub. No quick fix for this problem, methinks. > > A. > > On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 10:47 AM, Susan Harkins > wrote: > >> I had fudge after breakfast so I guess I'm just in a diabetic fizzy, >> but... >> can't you demote a 2007/2010 database back to 2003? I can't find a >> setting >> that will convert, within 2010. Am I just missing it or am I expecting >> too >> much? From dw-murphy at cox.net Thu Oct 27 10:27:05 2011 From: dw-murphy at cox.net (Doug Murphy) Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 08:27:05 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Convert 2007/2010 to 2003 In-Reply-To: References: <931F83B6ACA24D53997914B5D778E7CD@SusanHarkins> Message-ID: <00c101cc94bc$e1ffec30$a5ffc490$@cox.net> If you go to the File tab and select Save & Publish you will be able to save an accdb file as an earlier file type. Takes a while to navigate this new ribbon/tab structure, particularly if you're like me and your few remaining functional neurons were used to menus. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2011 8:20 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Convert 2007/2010 to 2003 Not in this case, just wanting to demote a simple demo to 2003. Where's the setting to do that Arthur? I can't find anything. Susan H. >I don't use 2010 but I do use 2007, and have found that it is >demote-able just fine IF you have not used features unavailable in >2003. However, chances are the reason you moved to 2007 is precisely >for its new features, and there's the rub. No quick fix for this >problem, methinks. > > A. > > On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 10:47 AM, Susan Harkins > wrote: > >> I had fudge after breakfast so I guess I'm just in a diabetic fizzy, >> but... >> can't you demote a 2007/2010 database back to 2003? I can't find a >> setting that will convert, within 2010. Am I just missing it or am I >> expecting too much? -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From ab-mi at post3.tele.dk Thu Oct 27 10:29:04 2011 From: ab-mi at post3.tele.dk (Asger Blond) Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 17:29:04 +0200 Subject: [AccessD] Convert 2007/2010 to 2003 In-Reply-To: <931F83B6ACA24D53997914B5D778E7CD@SusanHarkins> References: <931F83B6ACA24D53997914B5D778E7CD@SusanHarkins> Message-ID: On the File Ribbon choose Save & Publish, then highlight Access 2002-2003 Database (*.mdb) and click the Save As button. Asger -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Susan Harkins Sendt: 27. oktober 2011 16:47 Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Emne: [AccessD] Convert 2007/2010 to 2003 I had fudge after breakfast so I guess I'm just in a diabetic fizzy, but... can't you demote a 2007/2010 database back to 2003? I can't find a setting that will convert, within 2010. Am I just missing it or am I expecting too much? Susan H. -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From joeo at appoli.com Thu Oct 27 10:30:50 2011 From: joeo at appoli.com (Joe O'Connell) Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 11:30:50 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Convert 2007/2010 to 2003 In-Reply-To: References: <931F83B6ACA24D53997914B5D778E7CD@SusanHarkins> Message-ID: <1CF20DB644BE124083B31638E5D5C023B4D05C@exch2.Onappsad.net> Susan, File - Save and Publish Select Access 2002-2003 Database Click Save As Joe O'Connell -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2011 11:20 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Convert 2007/2010 to 2003 Not in this case, just wanting to demote a simple demo to 2003. Where's the setting to do that Arthur? I can't find anything. Susan H. >I don't use 2010 but I do use 2007, and have found that it is >demote-able just fine IF you have not used features unavailable in >2003. However, chances are the reason you moved to 2007 is precisely >for its new features, and there's the rub. No quick fix for this >problem, methinks. > > A. > > On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 10:47 AM, Susan Harkins > wrote: > >> I had fudge after breakfast so I guess I'm just in a diabetic fizzy, >> but... >> can't you demote a 2007/2010 database back to 2003? I can't find a >> setting that will convert, within 2010. Am I just missing it or am I >> expecting too much? -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From ssharkins at gmail.com Thu Oct 27 14:42:35 2011 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 15:42:35 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Convert 2007/2010 to 2003 References: <931F83B6ACA24D53997914B5D778E7CD@SusanHarkins> <00c101cc94bc$e1ffec30$a5ffc490$@cox.net> Message-ID: <7A9D3028A75A47BC9247869C0F72B8C5@SusanHarkins> Save & Publish? Oh -- it IS there... just ... why in the world did they put it at the bottom of the list? When I didn't see it with the other Save commands I just figured Access didn't have it. I don't mind the ribbon structure anymore, but geez... that just seems a bit... it doesn't make sense. Thanks! Susan H. > If you go to the File tab and select Save & Publish you will be able to > save > an accdb file as an earlier file type. Takes a while to navigate this new > ribbon/tab structure, particularly if you're like me and your few > remaining > functional neurons were used to menus. From ssharkins at gmail.com Thu Oct 27 14:44:42 2011 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 15:44:42 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Convert 2007/2010 to 2003 References: <931F83B6ACA24D53997914B5D778E7CD@SusanHarkins> Message-ID: <4548CF1FB6914A5D8D9A2CF2A75EB188@SusanHarkins> After working through it again after readying Doug's message, I really feel rather stupid now, because I recall showing this very command to someone else last summer. :( He insisted it couldn't be done and I knew it could. So why the lapse this morning -- oh yeah... it was that fudge. I'd say I needed a vacation, but I really just need a long rest and some strong meds. Susan H. > > On the File Ribbon choose Save & Publish, then highlight Access 2002-2003 > Database (*.mdb) and click the Save As button. > > Asger > -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- > I had fudge after breakfast so I guess I'm just in a diabetic fizzy, > but... can't you demote a 2007/2010 database back to 2003? I can't find a > setting that will convert, within 2010. Am I just missing it or am I > expecting too much? From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Thu Oct 27 15:19:43 2011 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 06:19:43 +1000 Subject: [AccessD] Tab delimited text file In-Reply-To: References: <1DB987E5-91D4-4BA3-B1ED-98D8FA7F2295@zyterra.com>, <354B971B-39DE-4243-A3DA-BFD7A171CBC3@zyterra.com>, Message-ID: <4EA9BCDF.22754.DAFB532@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> And here's a DAO version I've quickly knocked up (not tested): Function ExportTab(RSName As String, FileName As String) As Boolean Dim rs As DAO.Recordset Dim ff As Long Dim x As Long Dim strtemp As String On Error GoTo errtrap ff = FreeFile Set rs = CurrentDb.OpenRecordset(RSName) Open FileName For Output As #ff While Not rs.EOF strtemp = rs(0) For x = 1 To rs.Fields.Count - 1 strtemp = strTemp & vbTab & rs(x) Next strtemp = strtemp & vbCrLf Print #ff, strtemp rs.MoveNext Wend Close #ff rs.Close Set rs = Nothing ExportTab = True Exit Function errtrap: MsgBox "Error: " & Err.Description & " in Function ExportTab()" End Function On 27 Oct 2011 at 15:06, Paul Hartland wrote: > Here is a little function I have quickly knocked together, can't find > my source, but no reason why it shouldn't work, you pass a recordset > to function to export, could also pass the export path name as well if > you wanted: From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Thu Oct 27 15:40:23 2011 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 16:40:23 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Convert 2007/2010 to 2003 In-Reply-To: <4548CF1FB6914A5D8D9A2CF2A75EB188@SusanHarkins> References: <931F83B6ACA24D53997914B5D778E7CD@SusanHarkins> <4548CF1FB6914A5D8D9A2CF2A75EB188@SusanHarkins> Message-ID: <4EA9C1B7.1080106@colbyconsulting.com> LOL. I thought fudge was strong meds. Was it chocolate? ;) John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it On 10/27/2011 3:44 PM, Susan Harkins wrote: > After working through it again after readying Doug's message, I really feel rather stupid now, > because I recall showing this very command to someone else last summer. :( He insisted it couldn't > be done and I knew it could. So why the lapse this morning -- oh yeah... it was that fudge. > > I'd say I needed a vacation, but I really just need a long rest and some strong meds. > > Susan H. > > >> >> On the File Ribbon choose Save & Publish, then highlight Access 2002-2003 Database (*.mdb) and >> click the Save As button. >> >> Asger >> -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- >> I had fudge after breakfast so I guess I'm just in a diabetic fizzy, but... can't you demote a >> 2007/2010 database back to 2003? I can't find a setting that will convert, within 2010. Am I just >> missing it or am I expecting too much? > From Lambert.Heenan at chartisinsurance.com Thu Oct 27 15:49:55 2011 From: Lambert.Heenan at chartisinsurance.com (Heenan, Lambert) Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 16:49:55 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Tab delimited text file In-Reply-To: <4EA9BCDF.22754.DAFB532@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: <1DB987E5-91D4-4BA3-B1ED-98D8FA7F2295@zyterra.com>, <354B971B-39DE-4243-A3DA-BFD7A171CBC3@zyterra.com>, <4EA9BCDF.22754.DAFB532@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: One small bug fix and the addition of the ability to include the field names... Function ExportTab(RSName As String, FileName As String, Optional boolIncludeFieldNames As Boolean = True) As Boolean Dim rs As DAO.Recordset Dim ff As Long Dim x As Long Dim strtemp As String On Error GoTo errtrap ff = FreeFile Set rs = CurrentDb.OpenRecordset(RSName) Open FileName For Output As #ff If boolIncludeFieldNames Then For x = 0 To rs.Fields.Count - 1 strtemp = strtemp & rs.Fields(x).Name If x < rs.Fields.Count - 1 Then strtemp = strtemp & vbTab End If Next x Print #ff, strtemp End If While Not rs.EOF strtemp = rs(0) For x = 1 To rs.Fields.Count - 1 strtemp = strtemp & vbTab & rs(x) Next strtemp = strtemp ' & vbCrLf = don't need this. Print #ff implies a CRLF at the end Print #ff, strtemp rs.MoveNext Wend Close #ff rs.Close Set rs = Nothing ExportTab = True Exit Function errtrap: MsgBox "Error: " & Err.Description & " in Function ExportTab()" End Function Lambert -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2011 4:20 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Tab delimited text file And here's a DAO version I've quickly knocked up (not tested): Function ExportTab(RSName As String, FileName As String) As Boolean Dim rs As DAO.Recordset Dim ff As Long Dim x As Long Dim strtemp As String On Error GoTo errtrap ff = FreeFile Set rs = CurrentDb.OpenRecordset(RSName) Open FileName For Output As #ff While Not rs.EOF strtemp = rs(0) For x = 1 To rs.Fields.Count - 1 strtemp = strTemp & vbTab & rs(x) Next strtemp = strtemp & vbCrLf Print #ff, strtemp rs.MoveNext Wend Close #ff rs.Close Set rs = Nothing ExportTab = True Exit Function errtrap: MsgBox "Error: " & Err.Description & " in Function ExportTab()" End Function On 27 Oct 2011 at 15:06, Paul Hartland wrote: > Here is a little function I have quickly knocked together, can't find > my source, but no reason why it shouldn't work, you pass a recordset > to function to export, could also pass the export path name as well if > you wanted: -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From ssharkins at gmail.com Thu Oct 27 16:12:58 2011 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 17:12:58 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Convert 2007/2010 to 2003 References: <931F83B6ACA24D53997914B5D778E7CD@SusanHarkins><4548CF1FB6914A5D8D9A2CF2A75EB188@SusanHarkins> <4EA9C1B7.1080106@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <5DFBD39E82214578BE63319639B813A9@SusanHarkins> Yes, chocolate walnut. :) You're right, it is strong medicine! ;) They should call me Fudge Woman! Susan H. > LOL. I thought fudge was strong meds. Was it chocolate? > From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Thu Oct 27 16:36:22 2011 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 14:36:22 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Convert 2007/2010 to 2003 In-Reply-To: <5DFBD39E82214578BE63319639B813A9@SusanHarkins> References: <931F83B6ACA24D53997914B5D778E7CD@SusanHarkins><4548CF1FB6914A5D8D9A2CF2A75EB188@SusanHarkins><4EA9C1B7.1080106@colbyconsulting.com> <5DFBD39E82214578BE63319639B813A9@SusanHarkins> Message-ID: Fudge- it's not just for breakfast anymore...or in Kentucky, maybe it is... R -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2011 2:13 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Convert 2007/2010 to 2003 Yes, chocolate walnut. :) You're right, it is strong medicine! ;) They should call me Fudge Woman! Susan H. > LOL. I thought fudge was strong meds. Was it chocolate? > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From ssharkins at gmail.com Thu Oct 27 16:56:14 2011 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 17:56:14 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Convert 2007/2010 to 2003 References: <931F83B6ACA24D53997914B5D778E7CD@SusanHarkins><4548CF1FB6914A5D8D9A2CF2A75EB188@SusanHarkins><4EA9C1B7.1080106@colbyconsulting.com><5DFBD39E82214578BE63319639B813A9@SusanHarkins> Message-ID: <7DDA255BAEAD45569BAA29235DAECFAD@SusanHarkins> Well, I did actually eat breakfast first -- boiled egg and one piece of wheat toast. I earned that fudge buddy... ;) Susan H. > Fudge- it's not just for breakfast anymore...or in Kentucky, maybe it > is... > From ab-mi at post3.tele.dk Thu Oct 27 17:00:24 2011 From: ab-mi at post3.tele.dk (Asger Blond) Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 00:00:24 +0200 Subject: [AccessD] Convert 2007/2010 to 2003 In-Reply-To: <4548CF1FB6914A5D8D9A2CF2A75EB188@SusanHarkins> References: <931F83B6ACA24D53997914B5D778E7CD@SusanHarkins> <4548CF1FB6914A5D8D9A2CF2A75EB188@SusanHarkins> Message-ID: <583166B70BDA4C739F306EA21ADBDCE2@abpc> Intuition was the main reason for Microsoft when replacing the old menu UI with the ribbon UI. As a *design idea* the ribbon UI may be good. But as *implemented* it is just awful - i.e. the opposite of its idea: it's untidy, not intuitive. This is not special for Access - the implementation is just as careless in Excel. Asger -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Susan Harkins Sendt: 27. oktober 2011 21:45 Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Emne: Re: [AccessD] Convert 2007/2010 to 2003 After working through it again after readying Doug's message, I really feel rather stupid now, because I recall showing this very command to someone else last summer. :( He insisted it couldn't be done and I knew it could. So why the lapse this morning -- oh yeah... it was that fudge. I'd say I needed a vacation, but I really just need a long rest and some strong meds. Susan H. > > On the File Ribbon choose Save & Publish, then highlight Access 2002-2003 > Database (*.mdb) and click the Save As button. > > Asger > -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- > I had fudge after breakfast so I guess I'm just in a diabetic fizzy, > but... can't you demote a 2007/2010 database back to 2003? I can't find a > setting that will convert, within 2010. Am I just missing it or am I > expecting too much? -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From ssharkins at gmail.com Thu Oct 27 17:14:59 2011 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 18:14:59 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Convert 2007/2010 to 2003 References: <931F83B6ACA24D53997914B5D778E7CD@SusanHarkins><4548CF1FB6914A5D8D9A2CF2A75EB188@SusanHarkins> <583166B70BDA4C739F306EA21ADBDCE2@abpc> Message-ID: I agreed, initially, but I don't now. Once acclimated, I can pretty much find everything, well, as long as there's no fudge involved. :) Susan H. > Intuition was the main reason for Microsoft when replacing the old menu UI > with the ribbon UI. > As a *design idea* the ribbon UI may be good. But as *implemented* it is > just awful - i.e. the opposite of its idea: it's untidy, not intuitive. > This is not special for Access - the implementation is just as careless in > Excel. > Asger From ab-mi at post3.tele.dk Thu Oct 27 18:13:27 2011 From: ab-mi at post3.tele.dk (Asger Blond) Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 01:13:27 +0200 Subject: [AccessD] Convert 2007/2010 to 2003 In-Reply-To: References: <931F83B6ACA24D53997914B5D778E7CD@SusanHarkins><4548CF1FB6914A5D8D9A2CF2A75EB188@SusanHarkins><583166B70BDA4C739F306EA21ADBDCE2@abpc> Message-ID: <209639D70DD8483A86670FE0B849743B@abpc> You may be acclimated, but please don't loose your critical sense! Problem is: the ribbon exposes a lot of fudge. Just a couple from Excel - You want to create a new macro by using the macro recorder, and you don't have the Developer tab on the ribbon (which is not there by default). By intuition, which tab would you choose? Insert - nope! Formulas - nope! Data - nope! View - off cause!!! You want to insert a new worksheet. Which tab would you choose? Insert - nope! Just to help you I'll tell it's on the Home tab ... so then in which command group would you expect to find something like "insert a new worksheet"? Actually it's in the command group called "Cells" - as if a worksheet is a member of a cell (that's the child-parent issue, and having children I won't advise turning the hierarchy upside down). And now because you turned me on: One of the most productive innovations in Excel 2007/2010 for database folks is a feature called "Format as table". Great feature which has very little to with formatting (among others it makes it easy to insert new rows and columns in a table, and it makes updating a pivot table much easier than before). But where do you find this grand new feature? Data tab - nope! Insert tab - nope! Right answer is Home tab. So advised you have to find the command group on the tab. Nothing seems to match. But actually it's the Styles group, even if this feature has very little to do which styles and formatting. Asger -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Susan Harkins Sendt: 28. oktober 2011 00:15 Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Emne: Re: [AccessD] Convert 2007/2010 to 2003 I agreed, initially, but I don't now. Once acclimated, I can pretty much find everything, well, as long as there's no fudge involved. :) Susan H. > Intuition was the main reason for Microsoft when replacing the old menu UI > with the ribbon UI. > As a *design idea* the ribbon UI may be good. But as *implemented* it is > just awful - i.e. the opposite of its idea: it's untidy, not intuitive. > This is not special for Access - the implementation is just as careless in > Excel. > Asger -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From marksimms at verizon.net Thu Oct 27 19:58:32 2011 From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms) Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 20:58:32 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Convert 2007/2010 to 2003 In-Reply-To: <209639D70DD8483A86670FE0B849743B@abpc> References: <931F83B6ACA24D53997914B5D778E7CD@SusanHarkins><4548CF1FB6914A5D8D9A2CF2A75EB188@SusanHarkins><583166B70BDA4C739F306EA21ADBDCE2@abpc> <209639D70DD8483A86670FE0B849743B@abpc> Message-ID: <001f01cc950c$b7193350$254b99f0$@net> This is the big problem with the ribbon, but if you use it long enough, Knowing which tab to hit gets to be second-hand. > By intuition, which tab would you choose? Insert - nope! > Formulas - nope! Data - nope! View - off cause!!! > You want to insert a new worksheet. Which tab would you choose? Insert > - nope! Just to help you I'll tell it's on the Home tab ... so then in > which command group would you expect to find something like "insert a From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Thu Oct 27 23:35:54 2011 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 00:35:54 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Convert 2007/2010 to 2003 In-Reply-To: <001f01cc950c$b7193350$254b99f0$@net> References: <931F83B6ACA24D53997914B5D778E7CD@SusanHarkins><4548CF1FB6914A5D8D9A2CF2A75EB188@SusanHarkins><583166B70BDA4C739F306EA21ADBDCE2@abpc> <209639D70DD8483A86670FE0B849743B@abpc> <001f01cc950c$b7193350$254b99f0$@net> Message-ID: <4EAA312A.2090201@colbyconsulting.com> One big issue for me is the mouse centric nature of the ribbon. We learn and learn and learn to use the keyboard. Never lift your hands from the keyboard. Hot keys and menus accomplished that. Ribbons destroy that. John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it On 10/27/2011 8:58 PM, Mark Simms wrote: > This is the big problem with the ribbon, but if you use it long enough, > Knowing which tab to hit gets to be second-hand. > >> By intuition, which tab would you choose? Insert - nope! >> Formulas - nope! Data - nope! View - off cause!!! >> You want to insert a new worksheet. Which tab would you choose? Insert >> - nope! Just to help you I'll tell it's on the Home tab ... so then in >> which command group would you expect to find something like "insert a > > From fuller.artful at gmail.com Thu Oct 27 23:42:08 2011 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 00:42:08 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Convert 2007/2010 to 2003 In-Reply-To: References: <931F83B6ACA24D53997914B5D778E7CD@SusanHarkins> <4548CF1FB6914A5D8D9A2CF2A75EB188@SusanHarkins> <583166B70BDA4C739F306EA21ADBDCE2@abpc> Message-ID: Something I only recently (last month) discovered, and by accident: if you hover the mouse over the ribbon and then use the wheel, you can scroll (as it were) through all the ribbon options soooo quickly. This I think is totally cool. If you didn't already know this, try it. Just hover the mouse over the ribbon bar and then use its wheel and wow! Of course, that's just my opinion, it's only Rock and Roll but I like it. A. On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 6:14 PM, Susan Harkins wrote: > I agreed, initially, but I don't now. Once acclimated, I can pretty much > find everything, well, as long as there's no fudge involved. :) > > Susan H. > > > From fuller.artful at gmail.com Fri Oct 28 00:15:07 2011 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 01:15:07 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] OT: Friday Joke Department Hallowe'en Message-ID: To: George Romero From: Arthur Fuller Re: Jesus and Hallowe'en Synopsis: Since Jesus rose from the dead, that would make him the first zombie. It's the perfect cross-over market, especially appealing to young and impressionable teens, and possibly even appealing to the Amish. A horror movie starring Christ as the lead zombie. What a concept! All kinds of scenes about Hell and Damnation, and so on. Big opportunity for 3D graphics... big flames, rotting flesh, lizards eating you, and interior shots of bacteria eating you from inside out.... Totally kewl, and totally Christian! Working title: Night of the Living Christ. Plus we could roll in some comedy: "Mary, could you get my Nikes? These spikes are killing me." Talk about crossover marketing, not to mention hidden sponsorships. We could have a designated airline ready to fly him to Heaven, complete with logos of the jet, and even cross that over to "New York to London or Heavan in just four hours". I can see this working. Have your zombies call mine, and we'll talk. You have talent and a modicum of success, but I can make you rich! Arthur From ssharkins at gmail.com Fri Oct 28 06:45:06 2011 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 07:45:06 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Convert 2007/2010 to 2003 References: <931F83B6ACA24D53997914B5D778E7CD@SusanHarkins><4548CF1FB6914A5D8D9A2CF2A75EB188@SusanHarkins><583166B70BDA4C739F306EA21ADBDCE2@abpc> Message-ID: <0EB08D1696724FCEBA144E94F568E064@SusanHarkins> Arthur, the folks that hate the ribbon are ... they're irate and they're very vocal. They maintain that because few people champion it that everyone hates it. I keep saying that's not exactly true. The people who have adjusted are just going about their work and they don't care about those conversations. :) I might write about this, so thanks for the reminder. I've mentioned it on the blog before, but can't hurt to mention it again. Another good one is minimizing the ribbon -- that's one of the biggest complaints -- that the ribbon takes up so much room. A quick double-click to a tab minimizes and maximizes it. The ^ sign at the right border does the same thing. Kind of beats the drop and drag stuff anyday, but people like what they're use to. I don't blame them for not being thrilled about the move to the ribbon, but ... it is what it is. It's here, it's staying. Susan H. > Something I only recently (last month) discovered, and by accident: if you > hover the mouse over the ribbon and then use the wheel, you can scroll (as > it were) through all the ribbon options soooo quickly. This I think is > totally cool. If you didn't already know this, try it. Just hover the > mouse > over the ribbon bar and then use its wheel and wow! Of course, that's just > my opinion, it's only Rock and Roll but I like it. From fuller.artful at gmail.com Fri Oct 28 06:59:57 2011 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 07:59:57 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Convert 2007/2010 to 2003 In-Reply-To: <0EB08D1696724FCEBA144E94F568E064@SusanHarkins> References: <931F83B6ACA24D53997914B5D778E7CD@SusanHarkins> <4548CF1FB6914A5D8D9A2CF2A75EB188@SusanHarkins> <583166B70BDA4C739F306EA21ADBDCE2@abpc> <0EB08D1696724FCEBA144E94F568E064@SusanHarkins> Message-ID: I think that Micorosft got right in the ribbon design. Yes, it took me a while to get the hang of it, so seasoned am I in the old school of menu design, but persistence and the discovery of the wheel's new power, I find myself a huge fan of this UI. Just my $0.02. A. From jm.hwsn at gmail.com Fri Oct 28 07:33:36 2011 From: jm.hwsn at gmail.com (jm.hwsn) Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 07:33:36 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Convert 2007/2010 to 2003 In-Reply-To: <0EB08D1696724FCEBA144E94F568E064@SusanHarkins> References: <931F83B6ACA24D53997914B5D778E7CD@SusanHarkins><4548CF1FB6914A5D8D9A2CF2A75EB188@SusanHarkins><583166B70BDA4C739F306EA21ADBDCE2@abpc> <0EB08D1696724FCEBA144E94F568E064@SusanHarkins> Message-ID: <4eaaa121.1b08650a.6e69.ffffcca3@mx.google.com> And if you're like John... an accomplished keyboard user. Ctrl-F1 will also minimize or maximize the ribbon. Jim H. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins Sent: Friday, October 28, 2011 6:45 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Convert 2007/2010 to 2003 Arthur, the folks that hate the ribbon are ... they're irate and they're very vocal. They maintain that because few people champion it that everyone hates it. I keep saying that's not exactly true. The people who have adjusted are just going about their work and they don't care about those conversations. :) I might write about this, so thanks for the reminder. I've mentioned it on the blog before, but can't hurt to mention it again. Another good one is minimizing the ribbon -- that's one of the biggest complaints -- that the ribbon takes up so much room. A quick double-click to a tab minimizes and maximizes it. The ^ sign at the right border does the same thing. Kind of beats the drop and drag stuff anyday, but people like what they're use to. I don't blame them for not being thrilled about the move to the ribbon, but ... it is what it is. It's here, it's staying. Susan H. > Something I only recently (last month) discovered, and by accident: if you > hover the mouse over the ribbon and then use the wheel, you can scroll (as > it were) through all the ribbon options soooo quickly. This I think is > totally cool. If you didn't already know this, try it. Just hover the > mouse > over the ribbon bar and then use its wheel and wow! Of course, that's just > my opinion, it's only Rock and Roll but I like it. -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Gustav at cactus.dk Fri Oct 28 07:38:14 2011 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 14:38:14 +0200 Subject: [AccessD] Convert 2007/2010 to 2003 Message-ID: Hi Susan That's my experience too. Users get used to the ribbon and most new machines have a preinstalled Office 2010 ... slowly the menus become "old-school". In PowerPoint which I rarely use, the ribbon is a life-saver for me. Every feature is at hand with dynamic preview - for once I experienced to be in control at the first meeting with a powerful application. I have yet to experience the scroll feature mentioned by Arthur. /gustav >>> ssharkins at gmail.com 28-10-2011 13:45 >>> Arthur, the folks that hate the ribbon are ... they're irate and they're very vocal. They maintain that because few people champion it that everyone hates it. I keep saying that's not exactly true. The people who have adjusted are just going about their work and they don't care about those conversations. :) I might write about this, so thanks for the reminder. I've mentioned it on the blog before, but can't hurt to mention it again. Another good one is minimizing the ribbon -- that's one of the biggest complaints -- that the ribbon takes up so much room. A quick double-click to a tab minimizes and maximizes it. The ^ sign at the right border does the same thing. Kind of beats the drop and drag stuff anyday, but people like what they're use to. I don't blame them for not being thrilled about the move to the ribbon, but ... it is what it is. It's here, it's staying. Susan H. > Something I only recently (last month) discovered, and by accident: if you > hover the mouse over the ribbon and then use the wheel, you can scroll (as > it were) through all the ribbon options soooo quickly. This I think is > totally cool. If you didn't already know this, try it. Just hover the mouse > over the ribbon bar and then use its wheel and wow! Of course, that's just > my opinion, it's only Rock and Roll but I like it. From marksimms at verizon.net Fri Oct 28 08:06:16 2011 From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms) Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 09:06:16 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Convert 2007/2010 to 2003 In-Reply-To: <4EAA312A.2090201@colbyconsulting.com> References: <931F83B6ACA24D53997914B5D778E7CD@SusanHarkins><4548CF1FB6914A5D8D9A2CF2A75EB188@SusanHarkins><583166B70BDA4C739F306EA21ADBDCE2@abpc> <209639D70DD8483A86670FE0B849743B@abpc> <001f01cc950c$b7193350$254b99f0$@net> <4EAA312A.2090201@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <001a01cc9572$61562e30$24028a90$@net> John - there are hot-keys. In fact in my applications, I try to establish them for the users...however, it's tricky because some appear to be reserved. What's really needed is a lot more documentation...of course. The RibbonX book was good, but it still (after 800+ pages !) was not enough for me. The problem is: there's so very few Access developers remaining that use 2007, and even less that use 2010. In fact, this post: http://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forums/en/accessdev/thread/422e15f1-9a44-4e 0c-bd1c-9b878ac12f06 seems to indicate that those trying 2010, are going back to 2003 !! Me ? I love the challenge of "working around" the bugs. Others ?:NO TOLERANCE. > One big issue for me is the mouse centric nature of the ribbon. We > learn and learn and learn to use > the keyboard. Never lift your hands from the keyboard. Hot keys and > menus accomplished that. > Ribbons destroy that. From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Fri Oct 28 09:03:38 2011 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 10:03:38 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Convert 2007/2010 to 2003 In-Reply-To: <4eaaa121.1b08650a.6e69.ffffcca3@mx.google.com> References: <931F83B6ACA24D53997914B5D778E7CD@SusanHarkins><4548CF1FB6914A5D8D9A2CF2A75EB188@SusanHarkins><583166B70BDA4C739F306EA21ADBDCE2@abpc> <0EB08D1696724FCEBA144E94F568E064@SusanHarkins> <4eaaa121.1b08650a.6e69.ffffcca3@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <4EAAB63A.3030705@colbyconsulting.com> And when the toolbar is minimized are all of the hotkeys back? The menus actually responded to the hotkeys, dropping down the menu, pulling out the submenu items etc. A visual response to what the hotkey was doing for you (when it was menu items of course). John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it On 10/28/2011 8:33 AM, jm.hwsn wrote: > And if you're like John... an accomplished keyboard user. > Ctrl-F1 will also minimize or maximize the ribbon. > > Jim H. > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins > Sent: Friday, October 28, 2011 6:45 AM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Convert 2007/2010 to 2003 > > Arthur, the folks that hate the ribbon are ... they're irate and they're > very vocal. They maintain that because few people champion it that everyone > hates it. I keep saying that's not exactly true. The people who have > adjusted are just going about their work and they don't care about those > conversations. :) > > I might write about this, so thanks for the reminder. I've mentioned it on > the blog before, but can't hurt to mention it again. Another good one is > minimizing the ribbon -- that's one of the biggest complaints -- that the > ribbon takes up so much room. A quick double-click to a tab minimizes and > maximizes it. The ^ sign at the right border does the same thing. Kind of > beats the drop and drag stuff anyday, but people like what they're use to. I > > don't blame them for not being thrilled about the move to the ribbon, but > ... it is what it is. It's here, it's staying. > > Susan H. > > >> Something I only recently (last month) discovered, and by accident: if you >> hover the mouse over the ribbon and then use the wheel, you can scroll (as >> it were) through all the ribbon options soooo quickly. This I think is >> totally cool. If you didn't already know this, try it. Just hover the >> mouse >> over the ribbon bar and then use its wheel and wow! Of course, that's just >> my opinion, it's only Rock and Roll but I like it. > From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Fri Oct 28 09:10:34 2011 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 10:10:34 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] firefox recent browse history Message-ID: <4EAAB7DA.4020405@colbyconsulting.com> In previous versions of Firefox there was a drop down arrow next to the back / forward buttons in the address bar. That drop down would allow you to see and move directly to a recently browsed page. For example I go to a review, I go through 16 pages of the review, I can then drop down this history arrow and see the page 16 pages back and go there directly to "reset" my location. I am now back in that browse location and can page forward or back from that browse location. Now I have to "page back" 16 times to get back to the point where I started reading this review. That is a huge step backwards to me in terms of convenience. Is that old history control available anymore? Can I get it back somehow? -- John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Fri Oct 28 09:26:24 2011 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 10:26:24 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Convert 2007/2010 to 2003 In-Reply-To: <001a01cc9572$61562e30$24028a90$@net> References: <931F83B6ACA24D53997914B5D778E7CD@SusanHarkins><4548CF1FB6914A5D8D9A2CF2A75EB188@SusanHarkins><583166B70BDA4C739F306EA21ADBDCE2@abpc> <209639D70DD8483A86670FE0B849743B@abpc> <001f01cc950c$b7193350$254b99f0$@net> <4EAA312A.2090201@colbyconsulting.com> <001a01cc9572$61562e30$24028a90$@net> Message-ID: <4EAABB90.6090102@colbyconsulting.com> Mark, I fall in the no tolerance category. I tend to love new stuff, but I also have to make a living and when things just cripple my productivity I move slowly. When bugs cripple my productivity I just wait for the bugs to go away before I go there. When they don't fix the bugs I don't go there at all. Office 2000 was a huge rewrite of 97, but buggy. Office 2002 (XP) was just a massive bug fix. Office 2003 was another massive bug fix. Office 2007 was a massive bug injection. Office 2010 was another massive bug injection. Say what you want but (like Windows XP) Office 2003 was the most stable version of the product they ever released. IMHO Windows 2007 has achieved that "very stable" status and I am now moving all my machines to Windows 2007. IMHO Office 2007 has not reached that status. They never fixed the bugs before they released Office 2010, and Office 2010 added new bugs on top of the bugs introduced (and not fixed) in Office 2007. So I wait. For development Office 2003 is rock solid and stable and (mostly) just runs under Office 2007. I actually do use Office 2007 runtime because it gives me "free license" to distribute the app, but I do the dev under Office 2003 and then just test under Office 2007. John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it On 10/28/2011 9:06 AM, Mark Simms wrote: > John - there are hot-keys. In fact in my applications, I try to establish > them for the users...however, it's tricky because some appear to be > reserved. What's really needed is a lot more documentation...of course. > The RibbonX book was good, but it still (after 800+ pages !) was not enough > for me. > The problem is: there's so very few Access developers remaining that use > 2007, and even less that use 2010. > In fact, this post: > http://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forums/en/accessdev/thread/422e15f1-9a44-4e > 0c-bd1c-9b878ac12f06 > seems to indicate that those trying 2010, are going back to 2003 !! > Me ? I love the challenge of "working around" the bugs. Others ?:NO > TOLERANCE. > >> One big issue for me is the mouse centric nature of the ribbon. We >> learn and learn and learn to use >> the keyboard. Never lift your hands from the keyboard. Hot keys and >> menus accomplished that. >> Ribbons destroy that. > > From dnod at aol.com Fri Oct 28 09:39:38 2011 From: dnod at aol.com (Dean Davids) Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 10:39:38 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Convert 2007/2010 to 2003 In-Reply-To: <4EAABB90.6090102@colbyconsulting.com> References: <931F83B6ACA24D53997914B5D778E7CD@SusanHarkins> <4548CF1FB6914A5D8D9A2CF2A75EB188@SusanHarkins> <583166B70BDA4C739F306EA21ADBDCE2@abpc> <209639D70DD8483A86670FE0B849743B@abpc> <001f01cc950c$b7193350$254b99f0$@net> <4EAA312A.2090201@colbyconsulting.com> <001a01cc9572$61562e30$24028a90$@net> <4EAABB90.6090102@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <37C0EC0D-76AD-48C0-8067-B915D58A15BE@aol.com> I am right with you, John. I stuck with 97 for the longest time and will do the same now with 2003. Dean S. Davids www.cmbscorp.com 954-868-4421 On Oct 28, 2011, at 10:26 AM, jwcolby wrote: > Mark, > > I fall in the no tolerance category. I tend to love new stuff, but I also have to make a living and when things just cripple my productivity I move slowly. When bugs cripple my productivity I just wait for the bugs to go away before I go there. When they don't fix the bugs I don't go there at all. > > Office 2000 was a huge rewrite of 97, but buggy. Office 2002 (XP) was just a massive bug fix. Office 2003 was another massive bug fix. Office 2007 was a massive bug injection. Office 2010 was another massive bug injection. > > Say what you want but (like Windows XP) Office 2003 was the most stable version of the product they ever released. IMHO Windows 2007 has achieved that "very stable" status and I am now moving all my machines to Windows 2007. > > IMHO Office 2007 has not reached that status. They never fixed the bugs before they released Office 2010, and Office 2010 added new bugs on top of the bugs introduced (and not fixed) in Office 2007. > > So I wait. For development Office 2003 is rock solid and stable and (mostly) just runs under Office 2007. I actually do use Office 2007 runtime because it gives me "free license" to distribute the app, but I do the dev under Office 2003 and then just test under Office 2007. > > John W. Colby > Colby Consulting > > Reality is what refuses to go away > when you do not believe in it > > On 10/28/2011 9:06 AM, Mark Simms wrote: >> John - there are hot-keys. In fact in my applications, I try to establish >> them for the users...however, it's tricky because some appear to be >> reserved. What's really needed is a lot more documentation...of course. >> The RibbonX book was good, but it still (after 800+ pages !) was not enough >> for me. >> The problem is: there's so very few Access developers remaining that use >> 2007, and even less that use 2010. >> In fact, this post: >> http://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forums/en/accessdev/thread/422e15f1-9a44-4e >> 0c-bd1c-9b878ac12f06 >> seems to indicate that those trying 2010, are going back to 2003 !! >> Me ? I love the challenge of "working around" the bugs. Others ?:NO >> TOLERANCE. >> >>> One big issue for me is the mouse centric nature of the ribbon. We >>> learn and learn and learn to use >>> the keyboard. Never lift your hands from the keyboard. Hot keys and >>> menus accomplished that. >>> Ribbons destroy that. >> >> > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jedi at charm.net Fri Oct 28 11:31:27 2011 From: jedi at charm.net (Michael Bahr) Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 12:31:27 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [AccessD] firefox recent browse history In-Reply-To: <4EAAB7DA.4020405@colbyconsulting.com> References: <4EAAB7DA.4020405@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <1128.24.35.110.201.1319819487.squirrel@mail.expedient.net> You must be using 4.0. :-( Mike... > In previous versions of Firefox there was a drop down arrow next to the > back / forward buttons in > the address bar. That drop down would allow you to see and move directly > to a recently browsed > page. For example I go to a review, I go through 16 pages of the review, > I can then drop down this > history arrow and see the page 16 pages back and go there directly to > "reset" my location. I am now > back in that browse location and can page forward or back from that browse > location. > > Now I have to "page back" 16 times to get back to the point where I > started reading this review. > That is a huge step backwards to me in terms of convenience. > > Is that old history control available anymore? Can I get it back somehow? > > -- > John W. Colby > Colby Consulting > > Reality is what refuses to go away > when you do not believe in it > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From Lambert.Heenan at chartisinsurance.com Fri Oct 28 12:15:33 2011 From: Lambert.Heenan at chartisinsurance.com (Heenan, Lambert) Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 13:15:33 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Convert 2007/2010 to 2003 In-Reply-To: <4EAAB63A.3030705@colbyconsulting.com> References: <931F83B6ACA24D53997914B5D778E7CD@SusanHarkins><4548CF1FB6914A5D8D9A2CF2A75EB188@SusanHarkins><583166B70BDA4C739F306EA21ADBDCE2@abpc> <0EB08D1696724FCEBA144E94F568E064@SusanHarkins> <4eaaa121.1b08650a.6e69.ffffcca3@mx.google.com> <4EAAB63A.3030705@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: Mozilla has taken a leaf out of the Chrome book. To access a tab's history list click the back or forward arrows and hold the mouse button down. After a moment or two you will see the list of sites you can choose from. Lambert -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: Friday, October 28, 2011 10:04 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Convert 2007/2010 to 2003 And when the toolbar is minimized are all of the hotkeys back? The menus actually responded to the hotkeys, dropping down the menu, pulling out the submenu items etc. A visual response to what the hotkey was doing for you (when it was menu items of course). John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it On 10/28/2011 8:33 AM, jm.hwsn wrote: > And if you're like John... an accomplished keyboard user. > Ctrl-F1 will also minimize or maximize the ribbon. > > Jim H. > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan > Harkins > Sent: Friday, October 28, 2011 6:45 AM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Convert 2007/2010 to 2003 > > Arthur, the folks that hate the ribbon are ... they're irate and > they're very vocal. They maintain that because few people champion it > that everyone hates it. I keep saying that's not exactly true. The > people who have adjusted are just going about their work and they > don't care about those conversations. :) > > I might write about this, so thanks for the reminder. I've mentioned > it on the blog before, but can't hurt to mention it again. Another > good one is minimizing the ribbon -- that's one of the biggest > complaints -- that the ribbon takes up so much room. A quick > double-click to a tab minimizes and maximizes it. The ^ sign at the > right border does the same thing. Kind of beats the drop and drag > stuff anyday, but people like what they're use to. I > > don't blame them for not being thrilled about the move to the ribbon, > but ... it is what it is. It's here, it's staying. > > Susan H. > > >> Something I only recently (last month) discovered, and by accident: >> if you hover the mouse over the ribbon and then use the wheel, you >> can scroll (as it were) through all the ribbon options soooo quickly. >> This I think is totally cool. If you didn't already know this, try >> it. Just hover the mouse over the ribbon bar and then use its wheel >> and wow! Of course, that's just my opinion, it's only Rock and Roll >> but I like it. > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Fri Oct 28 12:51:16 2011 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 13:51:16 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Office 2010 outlook Message-ID: <4EAAEB94.2010806@colbyconsulting.com> Does this not have an object library? I program to the Outlook library. I have 2003 installed and 2010 installed. BOTH outlooks appear to be installed although in the past the install clearly prevented this and actively uninstalled the other, if you know what I mean. In Access code references I have Microsoft Outlook 11.0 object library checked, and I get no compile errors but it gives an error if I try to run the code. 11.0 reference says it is in the 2003 install directory. I don't find another outlook object library at all although Outlook 2010 actually runs. Is this a reinstall thing? -- John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it From marksimms at verizon.net Fri Oct 28 12:52:41 2011 From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms) Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 13:52:41 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Convert 2007/2010 to 2003 In-Reply-To: <4EAABB90.6090102@colbyconsulting.com> References: <931F83B6ACA24D53997914B5D778E7CD@SusanHarkins><4548CF1FB6914A5D8D9A2CF2A75EB188@SusanHarkins><583166B70BDA4C739F306EA21ADBDCE2@abpc> <209639D70DD8483A86670FE0B849743B@abpc> <001f01cc950c$b7193350$254b99f0$@net> <4EAA312A.2090201@colbyconsulting.com> <001a01cc9572$61562e30$24028a90$@net> <4EAABB90.6090102@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <005701cc959a$6409ae40$2c1d0ac0$@net> John - I've done all I can to move Microsoft into the direction of quality with their products. Their corporate "culture" seems to be running against this concept. This would explain why their stock price has languished for a decade. Bill Gates started with the philosophy of writing it so it was "good enough, not perfect". Unfortunately, the "good enough" standard at MSFT is now very much lower than when he was in charge. From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Fri Oct 28 12:53:02 2011 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 13:53:02 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Further to outlook problem Message-ID: <4EAAEBFE.1080603@colbyconsulting.com> Mapi32.dll is corrupt ot wrong version. -- John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it From ssharkins at gmail.com Fri Oct 28 13:01:02 2011 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 14:01:02 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Office 2010 outlook References: <4EAAEB94.2010806@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: You can't install two versions of Outlook on the same system. Susan H. > Does this not have an object library? I program to the Outlook library. > I have 2003 installed and 2010 installed. BOTH outlooks appear to be > installed although in the past the install clearly prevented this and > actively uninstalled the other, if you know what I mean. > > In Access code references I have Microsoft Outlook 11.0 object library > checked, and I get no compile errors but it gives an error if I try to run > the code. 11.0 reference says it is in the 2003 install directory. I > don't find another outlook object library at all although Outlook 2010 > actually runs. > > Is this a reinstall thing? From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Fri Oct 28 13:37:52 2011 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 14:37:52 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Office 2010 outlook In-Reply-To: References: <4EAAEB94.2010806@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <4EAAF680.6030604@colbyconsulting.com> I got news for ya... the install is not doing its job. John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it On 10/28/2011 2:01 PM, Susan Harkins wrote: > You can't install two versions of Outlook on the same system. > > Susan H. > > >> Does this not have an object library? I program to the Outlook library. I have 2003 installed and >> 2010 installed. BOTH outlooks appear to be installed although in the past the install clearly >> prevented this and actively uninstalled the other, if you know what I mean. >> >> In Access code references I have Microsoft Outlook 11.0 object library checked, and I get no >> compile errors but it gives an error if I try to run the code. 11.0 reference says it is in the >> 2003 install directory. I don't find another outlook object library at all although Outlook 2010 >> actually runs. >> >> Is this a reinstall thing? > From ssharkins at gmail.com Fri Oct 28 13:55:38 2011 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 14:55:38 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Office 2010 outlook References: <4EAAEB94.2010806@colbyconsulting.com> <4EAAF680.6030604@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <4C73E508C6D8402DA84E078112A0B18E@SusanHarkins> It shouldn't give you an option to install a new version while keeping the old one -- did it do that? It's been so long ago, I don't really recall, but the cold hard fact is, you can't run two versions on the same system. I'd uninstall both and start over. Susan H. >I got news for ya... > > the install is not doing its job. > > John W. Colby > Colby Consulting > > Reality is what refuses to go away > when you do not believe in it > > On 10/28/2011 2:01 PM, Susan Harkins wrote: >> You can't install two versions of Outlook on the same system. >> >> Susan H. >> From john at winhaven.net Fri Oct 28 15:14:02 2011 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 15:14:02 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Office 2010 outlook In-Reply-To: <4C73E508C6D8402DA84E078112A0B18E@SusanHarkins> References: <4EAAEB94.2010806@colbyconsulting.com> <4EAAF680.6030604@colbyconsulting.com> <4C73E508C6D8402DA84E078112A0B18E@SusanHarkins> Message-ID: <032701cc95ae$229bb660$67d32320$@winhaven.net> You're right Susan. I've tried to keep the old version and it wouldn't allow it. I'm guessing JC has got a botched install or uninstall. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins Sent: Friday, October 28, 2011 1:56 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Office 2010 outlook It shouldn't give you an option to install a new version while keeping the old one -- did it do that? It's been so long ago, I don't really recall, but the cold hard fact is, you can't run two versions on the same system. I'd uninstall both and start over. Susan H. >I got news for ya... > > the install is not doing its job. > > John W. Colby > Colby Consulting > > Reality is what refuses to go away > when you do not believe in it > > On 10/28/2011 2:01 PM, Susan Harkins wrote: >> You can't install two versions of Outlook on the same system. >> >> Susan H. >> -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Lambert.Heenan at chartisinsurance.com Fri Oct 28 15:37:34 2011 From: Lambert.Heenan at chartisinsurance.com (Heenan, Lambert) Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 16:37:34 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] firefox recent browse history In-Reply-To: <1128.24.35.110.201.1319819487.squirrel@mail.expedient.net> References: <4EAAB7DA.4020405@colbyconsulting.com> <1128.24.35.110.201.1319819487.squirrel@mail.expedient.net> Message-ID: Mozilla has taken a leaf out of the Chrome book. To access a tab's history list click the back or forward arrows and hold the mouse button down. After a moment or two you will see the list of sites you can choose from. Lambert -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Michael Bahr Sent: Friday, October 28, 2011 12:31 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] firefox recent browse history You must be using 4.0. :-( Mike... > In previous versions of Firefox there was a drop down arrow next to > the back / forward buttons in the address bar. That drop down would > allow you to see and move directly to a recently browsed page. For > example I go to a review, I go through 16 pages of the review, I can > then drop down this history arrow and see the page 16 pages back and > go there directly to "reset" my location. I am now back in that > browse location and can page forward or back from that browse > location. > > Now I have to "page back" 16 times to get back to the point where I > started reading this review. > That is a huge step backwards to me in terms of convenience. > > Is that old history control available anymore? Can I get it back somehow? > > -- > John W. Colby > Colby Consulting > > Reality is what refuses to go away > when you do not believe in it > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Fri Oct 28 17:48:48 2011 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2011 08:48:48 +1000 Subject: [AccessD] Convert 2007/2010 to 2003 In-Reply-To: <4EAABB90.6090102@colbyconsulting.com> References: <931F83B6ACA24D53997914B5D778E7CD@SusanHarkins>, <001a01cc9572$61562e30$24028a90$@net>, <4EAABB90.6090102@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <4EAB3150.17412.135E85A8@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Hear, Hear! -- Stuart On 28 Oct 2011 at 10:26, jwcolby wrote: > Mark, > > I fall in the no tolerance category. I tend to love new stuff, but I > also have to make a living and when things just cripple my > productivity I move slowly. When bugs cripple my productivity I just > wait for the bugs to go away before I go there. When they don't fix > the bugs I don't go there at all. > > Office 2000 was a huge rewrite of 97, but buggy. Office 2002 (XP) was > just a massive bug fix. Office 2003 was another massive bug fix. > Office 2007 was a massive bug injection. Office 2010 was another > massive bug injection. > > Say what you want but (like Windows XP) Office 2003 was the most > stable version of the product they ever released. IMHO Windows 2007 > has achieved that "very stable" status and I am now moving all my > machines to Windows 2007. > > IMHO Office 2007 has not reached that status. They never fixed the > bugs before they released Office 2010, and Office 2010 added new bugs > on top of the bugs introduced (and not fixed) in Office 2007. > > So I wait. For development Office 2003 is rock solid and stable and > (mostly) just runs under Office 2007. I actually do use Office 2007 > runtime because it gives me "free license" to distribute the app, but > I do the dev under Office 2003 and then just test under Office 2007. > > John W. Colby > Colby Consulting > > Reality is what refuses to go away > when you do not believe in it > > On 10/28/2011 9:06 AM, Mark Simms wrote: > > John - there are hot-keys. In fact in my applications, I try to > > establish them for the users...however, it's tricky because some > > appear to be reserved. What's really needed is a lot more > > documentation...of course. The RibbonX book was good, but it still > > (after 800+ pages !) was not enough for me. The problem is: there's > > so very few Access developers remaining that use 2007, and even less > > that use 2010. In fact, this post: > > http://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forums/en/accessdev/thread/422e15f1 > > -9a44-4e 0c-bd1c-9b878ac12f06 seems to indicate that those trying > > 2010, are going back to 2003 !! Me ? I love the challenge of > > "working around" the bugs. Others ?:NO TOLERANCE. > > > >> One big issue for me is the mouse centric nature of the ribbon. We > >> learn and learn and learn to use the keyboard. Never lift your > >> hands from the keyboard. Hot keys and menus accomplished that. > >> Ribbons destroy that. > > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From kismert at gmail.com Fri Oct 28 18:20:06 2011 From: kismert at gmail.com (Kenneth Ismert) Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 18:20:06 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Convert 2007/2010 to 2003 Message-ID: > > Asger Blond: > Intuition was the main reason for Microsoft when replacing the old menu UI > with the ribbon UI. > As a *design idea* the ribbon UI may be good. But as *implemented* it is > just awful - i.e. the opposite of its idea: it's untidy, not intuitive. > This is not special for Access - the implementation is just as careless in > Excel. > With the ribbon, Microsoft completely catered to new users at the expense of its huge existing base. The more of an Office power user you are, the harder the transition is. But the real poke in the eye is that they didn't even bother to provide a transition tool -- something that would let you pick an option in the old menu structure, then dynamically show it's new location in the ribbon. Does such a utility exist? From kismert at gmail.com Fri Oct 28 18:22:44 2011 From: kismert at gmail.com (Kenneth Ismert) Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 18:22:44 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] firefox recent browse history Message-ID: > > jwcolby > ... > Is that old history control available anymore? Can I get it back somehow? > In my Firefox 7 instance, I can right-click on the 'Forward' and 'Back' buttons, and get a history dropdown. Does this fit the bill? From ab-mi at post3.tele.dk Fri Oct 28 19:24:07 2011 From: ab-mi at post3.tele.dk (Asger Blond) Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2011 02:24:07 +0200 Subject: [AccessD] Convert 2007/2010 to 2003 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4BE155FDE4914E34A8EAADD1B7C72182@abpc> Several utilities exist for this. I.e.: http://www.addintools.com/english/menuoffice/ Asger -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Kenneth Ismert Sendt: 29. oktober 2011 01:20 Til: accessd at databaseadvisors.com Emne: Re: [AccessD] Convert 2007/2010 to 2003 > > Asger Blond: > Intuition was the main reason for Microsoft when replacing the old menu UI > with the ribbon UI. > As a *design idea* the ribbon UI may be good. But as *implemented* it is > just awful - i.e. the opposite of its idea: it's untidy, not intuitive. > This is not special for Access - the implementation is just as careless in > Excel. > With the ribbon, Microsoft completely catered to new users at the expense of its huge existing base. The more of an Office power user you are, the harder the transition is. But the real poke in the eye is that they didn't even bother to provide a transition tool -- something that would let you pick an option in the old menu structure, then dynamically show it's new location in the ribbon. Does such a utility exist? -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From ab-mi at post3.tele.dk Fri Oct 28 19:41:16 2011 From: ab-mi at post3.tele.dk (Asger Blond) Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2011 02:41:16 +0200 Subject: [AccessD] Convert 2007/2010 to 2003 In-Reply-To: <4EAA312A.2090201@colbyconsulting.com> References: <931F83B6ACA24D53997914B5D778E7CD@SusanHarkins><4548CF1FB6914A5D8D9A2CF2A75EB188@SusanHarkins><583166B70BDA4C739F306EA21ADBDCE2@abpc><209639D70DD8483A86670FE0B849743B@abpc><001f01cc950c$b7193350$254b99f0$@net> <4EAA312A.2090201@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: You can sure use hot keys in 2007/2010: Press Alt key, then press the shown keys on the ribbon. Also you are free to add all "old" features by adding them to the "Quick Access Toolbar" on the top of our Office screen. That's great. What I was complaining was not the ribbon UI *per se*, but its *sloppy* implementation in Office 2007/2010. Asger -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af jwcolby Sendt: 28. oktober 2011 06:36 Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Emne: Re: [AccessD] Convert 2007/2010 to 2003 One big issue for me is the mouse centric nature of the ribbon. We learn and learn and learn to use the keyboard. Never lift your hands from the keyboard. Hot keys and menus accomplished that. Ribbons destroy that. John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it On 10/27/2011 8:58 PM, Mark Simms wrote: > This is the big problem with the ribbon, but if you use it long enough, > Knowing which tab to hit gets to be second-hand. > >> By intuition, which tab would you choose? Insert - nope! >> Formulas - nope! Data - nope! View - off cause!!! >> You want to insert a new worksheet. Which tab would you choose? Insert >> - nope! Just to help you I'll tell it's on the Home tab ... so then in >> which command group would you expect to find something like "insert a > > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From kvanhuss at airrsystem.com Fri Oct 28 20:58:10 2011 From: kvanhuss at airrsystem.com (Kenneth W Van Huss) Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 20:58:10 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Excel Subtotal from Access/VBA Message-ID: This is eating my lunch. I am trying to calculate a subtotal in an Excel spreadsheet via automation/VBA Code: Select all With ApXL .Range("A2").Select .Selection.Subtotal GroupBy:=4, Function:=xlSum, TotalList:=Array(12), _ Replace:=True, PageBreaks:=False, SummaryBelowData:=True .ActiveSheet.Outline.ShowLevels RowLevels:=2 .Columns("L:L").Style = "Currency" .Rows("1:1").Font.Bold = True End With I keep getting an error on the ".Selection.sub . .." line. The error message is "The command could not be completed by using the range specified. Select a single cell within the range and try the command again." Any help is greatly appreciated. Ken From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Fri Oct 28 21:51:18 2011 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 22:51:18 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] firefox recent browse history In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4EAB6A26.4070706@colbyconsulting.com> Yes, that is exactly what I was looking for. There used to be a dedicated down arrow control which was removed. I never tried to right click the arrow buttons. Thanks! John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it On 10/28/2011 7:22 PM, Kenneth Ismert wrote: >> >> jwcolby >> ... >> Is that old history control available anymore? Can I get it back somehow? >> > > In my Firefox 7 instance, I can right-click on the 'Forward' and 'Back' > buttons, and get a history dropdown. > > Does this fit the bill? From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Fri Oct 28 21:54:59 2011 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 22:54:59 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] firefox recent browse history In-Reply-To: <1128.24.35.110.201.1319819487.squirrel@mail.expedient.net> References: <4EAAB7DA.4020405@colbyconsulting.com> <1128.24.35.110.201.1319819487.squirrel@mail.expedient.net> Message-ID: <4EAB6B03.1000902@colbyconsulting.com> Nope, 7.0.1. And two right answers so far, Right click the arrows or Click and hold the arrows I never tried either of those things. Thanks guys! John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it On 10/28/2011 12:31 PM, Michael Bahr wrote: > You must be using 4.0. :-( > > Mike... > >> In previous versions of Firefox there was a drop down arrow next to the >> back / forward buttons in >> the address bar. That drop down would allow you to see and move directly >> to a recently browsed >> page. For example I go to a review, I go through 16 pages of the review, >> I can then drop down this >> history arrow and see the page 16 pages back and go there directly to >> "reset" my location. I am now >> back in that browse location and can page forward or back from that browse >> location. >> >> Now I have to "page back" 16 times to get back to the point where I >> started reading this review. >> That is a huge step backwards to me in terms of convenience. >> >> Is that old history control available anymore? Can I get it back somehow? >> >> -- >> John W. Colby >> Colby Consulting >> >> Reality is what refuses to go away >> when you do not believe in it >> -- >> AccessD mailing list >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> > > From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Fri Oct 28 21:55:51 2011 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 22:55:51 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] firefox recent browse history In-Reply-To: References: <4EAAB7DA.4020405@colbyconsulting.com> <1128.24.35.110.201.1319819487.squirrel@mail.expedient.net> Message-ID: <4EAB6B37.7040303@colbyconsulting.com> This method pins the list down which is nice. John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it On 10/28/2011 4:37 PM, Heenan, Lambert wrote: > Mozilla has taken a leaf out of the Chrome book. To access a tab's history list click the back or forward arrows and hold the mouse button down. After a moment or two you will see the list of sites you can choose from. > > Lambert > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Michael Bahr > Sent: Friday, October 28, 2011 12:31 PM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] firefox recent browse history > > You must be using 4.0. :-( > > Mike... > >> In previous versions of Firefox there was a drop down arrow next to >> the back / forward buttons in the address bar. That drop down would >> allow you to see and move directly to a recently browsed page. For >> example I go to a review, I go through 16 pages of the review, I can >> then drop down this history arrow and see the page 16 pages back and >> go there directly to "reset" my location. I am now back in that >> browse location and can page forward or back from that browse >> location. >> >> Now I have to "page back" 16 times to get back to the point where I >> started reading this review. >> That is a huge step backwards to me in terms of convenience. >> >> Is that old history control available anymore? Can I get it back somehow? >> >> -- >> John W. Colby >> Colby Consulting >> >> Reality is what refuses to go away >> when you do not believe in it >> -- >> AccessD mailing list >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From kvanhuss at airrsystem.com Fri Oct 28 22:14:13 2011 From: kvanhuss at airrsystem.com (Kenneth W Van Huss) Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 22:14:13 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Developer, programmer position available Message-ID: Drew Wutka's former boss contacted me and ask if I would let the group know that he is seeking someone to take over some of Drew's responsibility, with expanded scope including domestic and international travel. Below is a summary of the job posting: Job Duties/Functions: . Analyze requirements, design appropriate solutions, develop programs, systems, forms, and databases to fulfill the requirements and needs of the company and users at Marlow Industries. Exchange Administration. Intranet Web server Administration Job Requirements: . BS degree or equivalent technical training and certifications . Five years experience in application software development and support . Must possess adequate knowledge of script writing . Must be proficient in Microsoft Sharepoint . Excellent customer service skills including telephone techniques, listening skills, . Excellent interpersonal and communication skills; . Familiarity with administration and support of voice communications . Demonstrated problem solving and work prioritization skills . Willing to travel, domestic and international . Due to ITAR compliance, this position requires candidates to be a U.S. Citizen, Permanent Resident Alien, or Protected Individual per 8 U.S.C. 1324b(a)(3). Marlow is an Equal Opportunity Employer Position is located in Dallas. I worked for Marlow way back in 2001 and they are good company. If I can help, please feel free to contact me. Kenneth Van Huss From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Fri Oct 28 22:22:35 2011 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 23:22:35 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] OK so Windows 7 has issues too Message-ID: <4EAB717B.5090508@colbyconsulting.com> :) Actually I am not sure where the problem lies. I am trying to see all the machines on my network. This is a workgroup and everyone except my UnRaid Linux server (Tower) belong to the same workgroup. 1) In my 2008R2 server (Hyper-V server) I see 12 machines if you ignore the tsclient. This includes Tower and three VMs. 2) In Azul (Windows 2008) I see 12 machines - same as 1 above. 3) In my new Windows 7 Home premium I see 7 machines. Missing are Azul (Windows 2008), both HTPC machines (also Windows 7), one of my VMs (Windows 2003) and both windows xp machines. 4) In a Windows 7 Professional VM I see 7 machines. Missing are the Windows 7 HTPCs and the two XP machines. I found something (very crude) that would find every IP address on the network and from my new laptop everything does show up, and I can ping everything but everything does not show in the network map. Another PFM thing going on here. If I know the computer name I can remote desktop in to all of them (except the Windows 7 home machines of course) so everything is definitely out there, just not visible. that kinda sucks because I often share and push files around to machines based on the shares. That just made me wonder if the machines that are missing might not have any shares or something. But why do both Server 2008 machines (on opposite physical ends of the network) see every single machine on the network, but the Windows 7 Home laptop plugged into the same switch as the Hyper-v Server 2008 machine only show 7 machines? Sing it, with gusto..,. This is the stuff, That drives me crazy... -- John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Fri Oct 28 22:47:40 2011 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 20:47:40 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Excel Subtotal from Access/VBA In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1A2047344CAF4AB49F6F01E2179A00BB@HAL9007> I'm not sure what's going on there but I always use the macro recorder in Excel, and crib the code it generates into my VBA. I'd try that. Rocky -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kenneth W Van Huss Sent: Friday, October 28, 2011 6:58 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: [AccessD] Excel Subtotal from Access/VBA This is eating my lunch. I am trying to calculate a subtotal in an Excel spreadsheet via automation/VBA Code: Select all With ApXL .Range("A2").Select .Selection.Subtotal GroupBy:=4, Function:=xlSum, TotalList:=Array(12), _ Replace:=True, PageBreaks:=False, SummaryBelowData:=True .ActiveSheet.Outline.ShowLevels RowLevels:=2 .Columns("L:L").Style = "Currency" .Rows("1:1").Font.Bold = True End With I keep getting an error on the ".Selection.sub . .." line. The error message is "The command could not be completed by using the range specified. Select a single cell within the range and try the command again." Any help is greatly appreciated. Ken -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From ssharkins at gmail.com Sat Oct 29 07:53:25 2011 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2011 08:53:25 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Excel Subtotal from Access/VBA References: <1A2047344CAF4AB49F6F01E2179A00BB@HAL9007> Message-ID: <195DB2AFE1A6421A9BA9B677DC7DFF19@SusanHarkins> Is Subtotal a range name or an reserved object name? If a named range, it might not like that -- it's probably a reserved word. Never done subtotaling with VBA, so don't even know the object model for that. Susan H. > I'm not sure what's going on there but I always use the macro recorder in > Excel, and crib the code it generates into my VBA. I'd try that. > > > .Selection.Subtotal GroupBy:=4, Function:=xlSum, > TotalList:=Array(12), _ From marksimms at verizon.net Sat Oct 29 09:14:19 2011 From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms) Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2011 10:14:19 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Excel Subtotal from Access/VBA In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <004801cc9645$0d1ff610$275fe230$@net> Just reference the entire worksheet (change activesheet below to worksheets("whatever") if required). My notes on this function indicate to put a Application.DisplayAlerts=False statement in there too. > > With ApXL > > .ActiveSheet.Subtotal GroupBy:=4, Function:=xlSum, > TotalList:=Array(12), _ > > Replace:=True, PageBreaks:=False, SummaryBelowData:=True > > .ActiveSheet.Outline.ShowLevels RowLevels:=2 > > .Columns("L:L").Style = "Currency" > > .Rows("1:1").Font.Bold = True > From charlotte.foust at gmail.com Sat Oct 29 12:55:58 2011 From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust) Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2011 10:55:58 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] OK so Windows 7 has issues too In-Reply-To: <4EAB717B.5090508@colbyconsulting.com> References: <4EAB717B.5090508@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: I don't know the answer, John, but it may be the version. The home versions of Windows seem to have all sorts of unexpected limitations on networking and sharing, which is why I always run the Professional versions. Charlotte Foust On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 8:22 PM, jwcolby wrote: > :) > > Actually I am not sure where the problem lies. I am trying to see all the > machines on my network. This is a workgroup and everyone except my UnRaid > Linux server (Tower) belong to the same workgroup. > > 1) In my 2008R2 server (Hyper-V server) I see 12 machines if you ignore > the tsclient. This includes Tower and three VMs. > > 2) In Azul (Windows 2008) I see 12 machines - same as 1 above. > > 3) In my new Windows 7 Home premium I see 7 machines. Missing are Azul > (Windows 2008), both HTPC machines (also Windows 7), one of my VMs (Windows > 2003) and both windows xp machines. > > 4) In a Windows 7 Professional VM I see 7 machines. Missing are the > Windows 7 HTPCs and the two XP machines. > > I found something (very crude) that would find every IP address on the > network and from my new laptop everything does show up, and I can ping > everything but everything does not show in the network map. Another PFM > thing going on here. > > If I know the computer name I can remote desktop in to all of them (except > the Windows 7 home machines of course) so everything is definitely out > there, just not visible. that kinda sucks because I often share and push > files around to machines based on the shares. > > That just made me wonder if the machines that are missing might not have > any shares or something. But why do both Server 2008 machines (on opposite > physical ends of the network) see every single machine on the network, but > the Windows 7 Home laptop plugged into the same switch as the Hyper-v > Server 2008 machine only show 7 machines? > > Sing it, with gusto..,. > > This is the stuff, > That drives me crazy... > > -- > John W. Colby > Colby Consulting > > Reality is what refuses to go away > when you do not believe in it > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/accessd > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.**com > > > From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Sat Oct 29 13:10:29 2011 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2011 14:10:29 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] OK so Windows 7 has issues too In-Reply-To: References: <4EAB717B.5090508@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <4EAC4195.3000602@colbyconsulting.com> >The home versions of Windows seem to have all sorts of unexpected limitations on networking and sharing, which is why I always run the Professional versions. I hear ya and I would love to. As it happens I got 3 copies of the home version for $150. I have two HTPC machines and three laptops which I am upgrading to Windows 7. To put the pro version on all of those would be a tad expensive, and they don't really need it. John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it On 10/29/2011 1:55 PM, Charlotte Foust wrote: > I don't know the answer, John, but it may be the version. The home > versions of Windows seem to have all sorts of unexpected limitations on > networking and sharing, which is why I always run the Professional versions. > > Charlotte Foust > > On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 8:22 PM, jwcolbywrote: > >> :) >> >> Actually I am not sure where the problem lies. I am trying to see all the >> machines on my network. This is a workgroup and everyone except my UnRaid >> Linux server (Tower) belong to the same workgroup. >> >> 1) In my 2008R2 server (Hyper-V server) I see 12 machines if you ignore >> the tsclient. This includes Tower and three VMs. >> >> 2) In Azul (Windows 2008) I see 12 machines - same as 1 above. >> >> 3) In my new Windows 7 Home premium I see 7 machines. Missing are Azul >> (Windows 2008), both HTPC machines (also Windows 7), one of my VMs (Windows >> 2003) and both windows xp machines. >> >> 4) In a Windows 7 Professional VM I see 7 machines. Missing are the >> Windows 7 HTPCs and the two XP machines. >> >> I found something (very crude) that would find every IP address on the >> network and from my new laptop everything does show up, and I can ping >> everything but everything does not show in the network map. Another PFM >> thing going on here. >> >> If I know the computer name I can remote desktop in to all of them (except >> the Windows 7 home machines of course) so everything is definitely out >> there, just not visible. that kinda sucks because I often share and push >> files around to machines based on the shares. >> >> That just made me wonder if the machines that are missing might not have >> any shares or something. But why do both Server 2008 machines (on opposite >> physical ends of the network) see every single machine on the network, but >> the Windows 7 Home laptop plugged into the same switch as the Hyper-v >> Server 2008 machine only show 7 machines? >> >> Sing it, with gusto..,. >> >> This is the stuff, >> That drives me crazy... >> >> -- >> John W. Colby >> Colby Consulting >> >> Reality is what refuses to go away >> when you do not believe in it >> -- >> AccessD mailing list >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/accessd >> >> >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.**com >> >> >> From john at winhaven.net Sat Oct 29 13:11:58 2011 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2011 13:11:58 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] OK so Windows 7 has issues too In-Reply-To: References: <4EAB717B.5090508@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <057201cc9666$406f0530$c14d0f90$@winhaven.net> Agreed. Home versions are there for a reason - to irritate us! ;o) -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2011 12:56 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] OK so Windows 7 has issues too I don't know the answer, John, but it may be the version. The home versions of Windows seem to have all sorts of unexpected limitations on networking and sharing, which is why I always run the Professional versions. From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Sat Oct 29 13:14:46 2011 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2011 14:14:46 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] OK so Windows 7 has issues too In-Reply-To: <057201cc9666$406f0530$c14d0f90$@winhaven.net> References: <4EAB717B.5090508@colbyconsulting.com> <057201cc9666$406f0530$c14d0f90$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: <4EAC4296.6060609@colbyconsulting.com> LOL. And they do a good job of it. John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it On 10/29/2011 2:11 PM, John Bartow wrote: > Agreed. Home versions are there for a reason - to irritate us! ;o) > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust > Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2011 12:56 PM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] OK so Windows 7 has issues too > > I don't know the answer, John, but it may be the version. The home versions > of Windows seem to have all sorts of unexpected limitations on networking > and sharing, which is why I always run the Professional versions. > From df.waters at comcast.net Sat Oct 29 13:16:45 2011 From: df.waters at comcast.net (Dan Waters) Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2011 13:16:45 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Need Help With a Workgroup/Password Message-ID: <000001cc9666$eb08e100$c11aa300$@comcast.net> Aaaargh! One of my customers accidentally removed me as the Admin user from their system, and I need to fix that. Either I need to get the password for another Admin user and log in to fix my authority, or I need to make myself an admin user some other way. I have a copy of the .mdw file on my PC. How do I fix this? Thanks! Dan From df.waters at comcast.net Sat Oct 29 16:06:04 2011 From: df.waters at comcast.net (Dan Waters) Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2011 16:06:04 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Need Help With a Workgroup/Password Message-ID: <000001cc967e$92554810$b6ffd830$@comcast.net> OK - I figured out what another administrator's password was so I'm set. Thanks! Dan From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Sat Oct 29 18:22:27 2011 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2011 19:22:27 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Need Help With a Workgroup/Password In-Reply-To: <000001cc967e$92554810$b6ffd830$@comcast.net> References: <000001cc967e$92554810$b6ffd830$@comcast.net> Message-ID: <4EAC8AB3.6010104@colbyconsulting.com> High security there eh? ;) John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it On 10/29/2011 5:06 PM, Dan Waters wrote: > OK - I figured out what another administrator's password was so I'm set. > > > > Thanks! > > Dan > > > > > From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Sat Oct 29 19:38:20 2011 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2011 20:38:20 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Windows can be so much fun Message-ID: <4EAC9C7C.4060906@colbyconsulting.com> I bought a laptop from a friend. The laptop was provided "Michael Laptop" as a "registered user" when it was turned on the first time (I suppose). I created my own user, deleted his etc but every time I want to install anything it says it will be registered to "Michael Laptop". I went looking through the registry for Michael Laptop and holy smoke batman, it is *everywhere*!!! Probably 50 different registry keys, perhaps a hundred, mostly "install paths" pointing to a now non-existent user roaming directory. It is no damned wonder that the registry causes so many problems. I did find two specific places where there is a key called "registered user" which I changed to my name. We shall see if that makes me the registered user. -- John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Sat Oct 29 19:44:41 2011 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2011 20:44:41 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Windows can be so much fun In-Reply-To: <4EAC9C7C.4060906@colbyconsulting.com> References: <4EAC9C7C.4060906@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <4EAC9DF9.6090309@colbyconsulting.com> I meant to say "registered owner". John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it On 10/29/2011 8:38 PM, jwcolby wrote: > I bought a laptop from a friend. The laptop was provided "Michael Laptop" as a "registered user" > when it was turned on the first time (I suppose). I created my own user, deleted his etc but every > time I want to install anything it says it will be registered to "Michael Laptop". I went looking > through the registry for Michael Laptop and holy smoke batman, it is *everywhere*!!! Probably 50 > different registry keys, perhaps a hundred, mostly "install paths" pointing to a now non-existent > user roaming directory. > > It is no damned wonder that the registry causes so many problems. > > I did find two specific places where there is a key called "registered user" which I changed to my > name. We shall see if that makes me the registered user. > From rbgajewski at roadrunner.com Sun Oct 30 08:34:27 2011 From: rbgajewski at roadrunner.com (Bob Gajewski) Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2011 09:34:27 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Send email with Word attachment from Access Message-ID: <56998FD17CC24E4C87F20B0F2B8CD9C6@7B440585K> Hi Folks I've hit a wall, and could use some direction. I have an Access 2003 application that records student course results, and on that form, I would like to be able to (1) print a certificate, (2) save the certificate as a Word 2003 document with a unique file name, and (3) email the document to the student. Note: I have Access 2003 and Word 2010 installed. I have items 1 and 2 working perfectly. My trouble is with item 3 - I just can't seem to find the right commands/syntax to open Outlook. I've been researching this for hours on Microsoft's sites and throughout the Internet ... with little success. If anyone has ideas or suggestions, they would be most appreciated. Thanks Bob Gajewski ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------- Private Sub cmdPrintCertificate_Click() Call PrintCertificate(CourseID.Column(1) & CourseDays, Trim(StudentFullNameFMLS), Format(StudentCourseStartDate, "mmmm d, yyyy"), Format(StudentCourseEndDate, "mmmm d, yyyy"), Trim(InstructorFullNameFMLS)) End Sub ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------- Private Sub cmdEmailCertificate_Click() Call EmailCertificate(CourseID.Column(1) & CourseDays, Trim(StudentFullNameFMLS), Format(StudentCourseStartDate, "mmmm d, yyyy"), Format(StudentCourseEndDate, "mmmm d, yyyy"), Trim(InstructorFullNameFMLS), CourseID.Column(2), StudentMailTo) End Sub ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------- Function PrintCertificate(varCourseCode, varStudentFullNameFMLS, varCourseStartDate, varCourseEndDate, varInstructorFullNameFMLS) ' Start Microsoft Word Dim objWord As Object Set objWord = CreateObject("Word.Application") Dim strCertificate As String strCertificate = "C:\{actual path removed for security reasons}\" & varCourseCode & ".dot" objWord.Documents.Open strCertificate objWord.Visible = True With objWord ' Move to each bookmark and insert text from the form. .ActiveDocument.Bookmarks("StudentFullNameFMLS").Select .Selection.Text = CStr(varStudentFullNameFMLS) If Not varCourseStartDate = varCourseEndDate Then .ActiveDocument.Bookmarks("CourseStartDate").Select .Selection.Text = CStr(varCourseStartDate) End If .ActiveDocument.Bookmarks("CourseEndDate").Select .Selection.Text = CStr(varCourseEndDate) End With ' Print the document in the foreground so Microsoft Word will not close until the document finishes printing. objWord.ActiveDocument.PrintOut Do While objWord.BackgroundPrintingStatus > 0 Loop ' Save the document objWord.ActiveDocument.SaveAs FileName:="C:\{actual path removed for security reasons}\Certificates\" & _ varStudentFullNameFMLS & "-" & varCourseCode & "-" & Format(varCourseEndDate, "yyyymmdd") & ".doc" ' Close the document without saving changes. objWord.ActiveDocument.Close False ' Quit Microsoft Word and release the object variable. objWord.Quit Set objWord = Nothing Exit Function End Function ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------- Function EmailCertificate(varCourseCode, varStudentFullNameFMLS, varCourseStartDate, varCourseEndDate, varInstructorFullNameFMLS, varCourseName, varStudentMailTo) ' Start Microsoft Word Dim objWord As Object Set objWord = CreateObject("Word.Application") Dim strCertificate As String strCertificate = "C:\{actual path removed for security reasons}\" & varCourseCode & ".dot" objWord.Documents.Open strCertificate objWord.Visible = True With objWord ' Move to each bookmark and insert text from the form. .ActiveDocument.Bookmarks("StudentFullNameFMLS").Select .Selection.Text = CStr(varStudentFullNameFMLS) If Not varCourseStartDate = varCourseEndDate Then .ActiveDocument.Bookmarks("CourseStartDate").Select .Selection.Text = CStr(varCourseStartDate) End If .ActiveDocument.Bookmarks("CourseEndDate").Select .Selection.Text = CStr(varCourseEndDate) End With ' Save the document objWord.ActiveDocument.SaveAs FileName:="C:\Users\{actual path removed for security reasons}\Certificates\" & _ varStudentFullNameFMLS & "-" & varCourseCode & "-" & Format(varCourseEndDate, "yyyymmdd") & ".doc" ' Send the document by email Dim bStarted As Boolean Dim oOutlookApp As Object Dim oItem As Object On Error Resume Next If Len(objWord.ActiveDocument.Path) = 0 Then 'Document has not been saved objWord.ActiveDocument.Save 'so save it End If 'see if Outlook is running and if so turn your attention there Set oOutlookApp = GetObject(, "Outlook.Application") If Err <> 0 Then 'Outlook isn't running 'So fire it up Set oOutlookApp = CreateObject("Outlook.Application") bStarted = True oOutlookApp.Visible = True End If 'Open a new e-mail message Set oItem = oOutlookApp.CreateItem() ***** This seems to be where the code fails ***** With oItem 'and add the detail to it .To = varStudentMailTo 'send to this address .Subject = "Training Certificate" 'This is the message subject .Body = "Attached is your training certificate for the " & _ varCourseName & " that you completed on " & Format(varCourseEndDate, "mmmm d, yyyy") & "." ' This is the message body text .Attachments.Add Source:=objWord.ActiveDocument.FullName '.Send .Display End With ' If the macro started Outlook, stop it again. If bStarted Then oOutlookApp.Quit End If ' Clean up Set oItem = Nothing Set oOutlookApp = Nothing ' Close the document without saving changes. objWord.ActiveDocument.Close False ' Quit Microsoft Word and release the object variable. objWord.Quit Set objWord = Nothing Exit Function End Function From jackandpat.d at gmail.com Sun Oct 30 09:04:50 2011 From: jackandpat.d at gmail.com (jack drawbridge) Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2011 10:04:50 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Send email with Word attachment from Access In-Reply-To: <56998FD17CC24E4C87F20B0F2B8CD9C6@7B440585K> References: <56998FD17CC24E4C87F20B0F2B8CD9C6@7B440585K> Message-ID: Bob, There's a sample here http://www.blueclaw-db.com/download/download_access_email_example.htm On Sun, Oct 30, 2011 at 9:34 AM, Bob Gajewski wrote: > Hi Folks > > I've hit a wall, and could use some direction. > > I have an Access 2003 application that records student course results, and > on that form, I would like to be able to (1) print a certificate, (2) save > the certificate as a Word 2003 document with a unique file name, and (3) > email the document to the student. Note: I have Access 2003 and Word 2010 > installed. > > I have items 1 and 2 working perfectly. My trouble is with item 3 - I just > can't seem to find the right commands/syntax to open Outlook. I've been > researching this for hours on Microsoft's sites and throughout the Internet > ... with little success. > > If anyone has ideas or suggestions, they would be most appreciated. > > Thanks > Bob Gajewski > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ----------------- > Private Sub cmdPrintCertificate_Click() > Call PrintCertificate(CourseID.Column(1) & CourseDays, > Trim(StudentFullNameFMLS), Format(StudentCourseStartDate, "mmmm d, yyyy"), > Format(StudentCourseEndDate, "mmmm d, yyyy"), Trim(InstructorFullNameFMLS)) > End Sub > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ----------------- > Private Sub cmdEmailCertificate_Click() > Call EmailCertificate(CourseID.Column(1) & CourseDays, > Trim(StudentFullNameFMLS), Format(StudentCourseStartDate, "mmmm d, yyyy"), > Format(StudentCourseEndDate, "mmmm d, yyyy"), Trim(InstructorFullNameFMLS), > CourseID.Column(2), StudentMailTo) > End Sub > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ----------------- > > Function PrintCertificate(varCourseCode, varStudentFullNameFMLS, > varCourseStartDate, varCourseEndDate, varInstructorFullNameFMLS) > ' Start Microsoft Word > Dim objWord As Object > Set objWord = CreateObject("Word.Application") > Dim strCertificate As String > strCertificate = "C:\{actual path removed for security reasons}\" & > varCourseCode & ".dot" > objWord.Documents.Open strCertificate > objWord.Visible = True > With objWord > ' Move to each bookmark and insert text from the form. > .ActiveDocument.Bookmarks("StudentFullNameFMLS").Select > .Selection.Text = CStr(varStudentFullNameFMLS) > If Not varCourseStartDate = varCourseEndDate Then > .ActiveDocument.Bookmarks("CourseStartDate").Select > .Selection.Text = CStr(varCourseStartDate) > End If > .ActiveDocument.Bookmarks("CourseEndDate").Select > .Selection.Text = CStr(varCourseEndDate) > End With > ' Print the document in the foreground so Microsoft Word will not close > until the document finishes printing. > objWord.ActiveDocument.PrintOut > Do While objWord.BackgroundPrintingStatus > 0 > Loop > ' Save the document > objWord.ActiveDocument.SaveAs FileName:="C:\{actual path removed for > security reasons}\Certificates\" & _ > varStudentFullNameFMLS & "-" & varCourseCode & "-" & > Format(varCourseEndDate, "yyyymmdd") & ".doc" > ' Close the document without saving changes. > objWord.ActiveDocument.Close False > ' Quit Microsoft Word and release the object variable. > objWord.Quit > Set objWord = Nothing > Exit Function > End Function > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ----------------- > Function EmailCertificate(varCourseCode, varStudentFullNameFMLS, > varCourseStartDate, varCourseEndDate, varInstructorFullNameFMLS, > varCourseName, varStudentMailTo) > ' Start Microsoft Word > Dim objWord As Object > Set objWord = CreateObject("Word.Application") > Dim strCertificate As String > strCertificate = "C:\{actual path removed for security reasons}\" & > varCourseCode & ".dot" > objWord.Documents.Open strCertificate > objWord.Visible = True > With objWord > ' Move to each bookmark and insert text from the form. > .ActiveDocument.Bookmarks("StudentFullNameFMLS").Select > .Selection.Text = CStr(varStudentFullNameFMLS) > If Not varCourseStartDate = varCourseEndDate Then > .ActiveDocument.Bookmarks("CourseStartDate").Select > .Selection.Text = CStr(varCourseStartDate) > End If > .ActiveDocument.Bookmarks("CourseEndDate").Select > .Selection.Text = CStr(varCourseEndDate) > End With > ' Save the document > objWord.ActiveDocument.SaveAs FileName:="C:\Users\{actual path removed > for security reasons}\Certificates\" & _ > varStudentFullNameFMLS & "-" & varCourseCode & "-" & > Format(varCourseEndDate, "yyyymmdd") & ".doc" > ' Send the document by email > Dim bStarted As Boolean > Dim oOutlookApp As Object > Dim oItem As Object > On Error Resume Next > If Len(objWord.ActiveDocument.Path) = 0 Then 'Document has not been > saved > objWord.ActiveDocument.Save 'so save it > End If > 'see if Outlook is running and if so turn your attention there > Set oOutlookApp = GetObject(, "Outlook.Application") > If Err <> 0 Then 'Outlook isn't running > 'So fire it up > Set oOutlookApp = CreateObject("Outlook.Application") > bStarted = True > oOutlookApp.Visible = True > End If > 'Open a new e-mail message > Set oItem = oOutlookApp.CreateItem() ***** This seems to be where the > code fails ***** > With oItem 'and add the detail to it > .To = varStudentMailTo 'send to this address > .Subject = "Training Certificate" 'This is the message subject > .Body = "Attached is your training certificate for the " & _ > varCourseName & " that you completed on " & > Format(varCourseEndDate, "mmmm d, yyyy") & "." ' This is the message body > text > .Attachments.Add Source:=objWord.ActiveDocument.FullName > '.Send > .Display > End With > ' If the macro started Outlook, stop it again. > If bStarted Then > oOutlookApp.Quit > End If > ' Clean up > Set oItem = Nothing > Set oOutlookApp = Nothing > ' Close the document without saving changes. > objWord.ActiveDocument.Close False > ' Quit Microsoft Word and release the object variable. > objWord.Quit > Set objWord = Nothing > Exit Function > End Function > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From marksimms at verizon.net Sun Oct 30 09:39:51 2011 From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms) Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2011 10:39:51 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Windows can be so much fun In-Reply-To: <4EAC9C7C.4060906@colbyconsulting.com> References: <4EAC9C7C.4060906@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <002701cc9711$c8f37b60$5ada7220$@net> The registry remains as one sensitive and complex beast. That being said, one would think that MSFT would back it up automatically with at least 5 rolling versions. Nope - only 1....and strangely they make it difficult to get to the Restore Point facility. Cleaning up the registry does help with performance, and I recommend these (in order: 1) Registry Fast 2) Win Utilities 3) CCleaner 4) Glary Utilities > > It is no damned wonder that the registry causes so many problems. > I did find two specific places where there is a key called "registered > user" which I changed to my name. We shall see if that makes me the registered user. From df.waters at comcast.net Sun Oct 30 10:49:21 2011 From: df.waters at comcast.net (Dan Waters) Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2011 10:49:21 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Need Help With a Workgroup/Password In-Reply-To: <4EAC8AB3.6010104@colbyconsulting.com> References: <000001cc967e$92554810$b6ffd830$@comcast.net> <4EAC8AB3.6010104@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <000f01cc971b$7de6ca50$79b45ef0$@comcast.net> In my system I have a permissions screen where the system owners (not IT) can set up permissions for all the users (I'm not using the complex Access user level security). When someone is set up as a System Owner, they become an Admin user, like I am. This give them the ability to create new users by adding their username to the User group, and in the background set up a randomized one-time password which is emailed to the new user. What I never expected was for one of the System Owners to uncheck me as a System Owner, which removes me as an Admin user. The System Owners are not experienced Access users - they just do what the screen lets them do. And what it no longer lets them do is remove me as a System Owner. Lesson Learned! ;-) Dan -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2011 6:22 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Need Help With a Workgroup/Password High security there eh? ;) John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it On 10/29/2011 5:06 PM, Dan Waters wrote: > OK - I figured out what another administrator's password was so I'm set. > > > > Thanks! > > Dan > > > > > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From charlotte.foust at gmail.com Sun Oct 30 12:01:48 2011 From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust) Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2011 10:01:48 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Known Bugs List in A2K7/10 In-Reply-To: <001401cc9469$6f238ee0$4d6aaca0$@gmail.com> References: <4E9E8A33.5135.61C4375@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <000901cc8eca$ac281df0$047859d0$@gmail.com> <004a01cc8f99$8944af90$9bce0eb0$@net> <001401cc9469$6f238ee0$4d6aaca0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: One of my pet peeves is that if you have another object open, like a table, you are restricted from working on other related objects but Access doesn't tell you what it's objecting to just leaves you to start closing things until you can get to where you need to be. And that wretched navigation window opens things when you merely want to look at the design and tucks them neatly into the tabs where you don't even notice them! Grrrrrrrrr Charlotte Foust On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 10:29 PM, William Benson (VBACreations.Com) < vbacreations at gmail.com> wrote: > More Ac2010 bugs. > > Hard to know whether this belongs in a thread of KNOWN bugs, but they are > certainly ACTIVE bugs. > > I am getting a message like > > [My Database Name] cannot complete this operation. You must stop the code > and try again" > > Thing is, I am not running any code. I only copied an object (like a form) > and tried to paste it with a new name in the database window. > > Furthermore, I also occasionally catch the statusbar showing me a query is > running I am not doing anything except modifying some code in design time. > > This Ac2010 seems very much like a Ghost in the Machine gone wild, and it > is > not Casper the Friendly either. > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > From gustav at cactus.dk Sun Oct 30 12:27:16 2011 From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2011 18:27:16 +0100 Subject: [AccessD] Need Help With a Workgroup/Password Message-ID: Hi Dan After too many experiences of this kind and others, we bite the bullet and sat up Active Directory with two Domain Controllers on different locations. The attitude was "how hard can it be" but it is, not because it is difficult but you have to read up the stuff, learn the rules, play nice, and follow every step rigorously. But it pays back. Whenever a computer is "created" it is joined to the AD, and the Domain Admins' group automagically become member of the local Administrators' group. /gustav >>> df.waters at comcast.net 30-10-2011 16:49 >>> In my system I have a permissions screen where the system owners (not IT) can set up permissions for all the users (I'm not using the complex Access user level security). When someone is set up as a System Owner, they become an Admin user, like I am. This give them the ability to create new users by adding their username to the User group, and in the background set up a randomized one-time password which is emailed to the new user. What I never expected was for one of the System Owners to uncheck me as a System Owner, which removes me as an Admin user. The System Owners are not experienced Access users - they just do what the screen lets them do. And what it no longer lets them do is remove me as a System Owner. Lesson Learned! ;-) Dan -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2011 6:22 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Need Help With a Workgroup/Password High security there eh? ;) John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it On 10/29/2011 5:06 PM, Dan Waters wrote: > OK - I figured out what another administrator's password was so I'm set. > > > > Thanks! > > Dan From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Sun Oct 30 12:32:18 2011 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2011 13:32:18 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Need Help With a Workgroup/Password In-Reply-To: <000f01cc971b$7de6ca50$79b45ef0$@comcast.net> References: <000001cc967e$92554810$b6ffd830$@comcast.net> <4EAC8AB3.6010104@colbyconsulting.com> <000f01cc971b$7de6ca50$79b45ef0$@comcast.net> Message-ID: <4EAD8A22.8060007@colbyconsulting.com> > The System Owners are not experienced Access users - they just do what the screen lets them do. And what it no longer lets them do is remove me as a System Owner. Lesson Learned! ;-) ROTFL. Lesson learned! John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it On 10/30/2011 11:49 AM, Dan Waters wrote: > In my system I have a permissions screen where the system owners (not IT) > can set up permissions for all the users (I'm not using the complex Access > user level security). When someone is set up as a System Owner, they become > an Admin user, like I am. This give them the ability to create new users by > adding their username to the User group, and in the background set up a > randomized one-time password which is emailed to the new user. > > What I never expected was for one of the System Owners to uncheck me as a > System Owner, which removes me as an Admin user. The System Owners are not > experienced Access users - they just do what the screen lets them do. And > what it no longer lets them do is remove me as a System Owner. Lesson > Learned! ;-) > > Dan > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby > Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2011 6:22 PM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Need Help With a Workgroup/Password > > High security there eh? > > ;) > > John W. Colby > Colby Consulting > > Reality is what refuses to go away > when you do not believe in it > > On 10/29/2011 5:06 PM, Dan Waters wrote: >> OK - I figured out what another administrator's password was so I'm set. >> >> >> >> Thanks! >> >> Dan >> >> >> >> >> From rbgajewski at roadrunner.com Sun Oct 30 12:40:03 2011 From: rbgajewski at roadrunner.com (Bob Gajewski) Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2011 13:40:03 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] FW: Send email with Word attachment from Access - SOLVED (mostly) Message-ID: <24345F6D001E4D7D97AB808CA3E81B8F@7B440585K> I've figured out the problem with opening Outlook and the new email ... The only remaining issue is to get it to automatically send without the "An application is trying to send email" security warning ... I just needed to replace: Set oItem = oOutlookApp.CreateItem() With: Set oItem = oOutlookApp.CreateItem(0) Thanks to those that responded with suggestions. Bob Gajewski -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bob Gajewski Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2011 09:34 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: [AccessD] Send email with Word attachment from Access Hi Folks I've hit a wall, and could use some direction. I have an Access 2003 application that records student course results, and on that form, I would like to be able to (1) print a certificate, (2) save the certificate as a Word 2003 document with a unique file name, and (3) email the document to the student. Note: I have Access 2003 and Word 2010 installed. I have items 1 and 2 working perfectly. My trouble is with item 3 - I just can't seem to find the right commands/syntax to open Outlook. I've been researching this for hours on Microsoft's sites and throughout the Internet ... with little success. If anyone has ideas or suggestions, they would be most appreciated. Thanks Bob Gajewski ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Private Sub cmdEmailCertificate_Click() Call EmailCertificate(CourseID.Column(1) & CourseDays, Trim(StudentFullNameFMLS), Format(StudentCourseStartDate, "mmmm d, yyyy"), Format(StudentCourseEndDate, "mmmm d, yyyy"), Trim(InstructorFullNameFMLS), CourseID.Column(2), StudentMailTo) End Sub ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Function EmailCertificate(varCourseCode, varStudentFullNameFMLS, varCourseStartDate, varCourseEndDate, varInstructorFullNameFMLS, varCourseName, varStudentMailTo) ' Start Microsoft Word Dim objWord As Object Set objWord = CreateObject("Word.Application") Dim strCertificate As String strCertificate = "C:\{actual path removed for security reasons}\" & varCourseCode & ".dot" objWord.Documents.Open strCertificate objWord.Visible = True With objWord ' Move to each bookmark and insert text from the form. .ActiveDocument.Bookmarks("StudentFullNameFMLS").Select .Selection.Text = CStr(varStudentFullNameFMLS) If Not varCourseStartDate = varCourseEndDate Then .ActiveDocument.Bookmarks("CourseStartDate").Select .Selection.Text = CStr(varCourseStartDate) End If .ActiveDocument.Bookmarks("CourseEndDate").Select .Selection.Text = CStr(varCourseEndDate) End With ' Save the document objWord.ActiveDocument.SaveAs FileName:="C:\Users\{actual path removed for security reasons}\Certificates\" & _ varStudentFullNameFMLS & "-" & varCourseCode & "-" & Format(varCourseEndDate, "yyyymmdd") & ".doc" ' Send the document by email Dim bStarted As Boolean Dim oOutlookApp As Object Dim oItem As Object On Error Resume Next If Len(objWord.ActiveDocument.Path) = 0 Then 'Document has not been saved objWord.ActiveDocument.Save 'so save it End If 'see if Outlook is running and if so turn your attention there Set oOutlookApp = GetObject(, "Outlook.Application") If Err <> 0 Then 'Outlook isn't running 'So fire it up Set oOutlookApp = CreateObject("Outlook.Application") bStarted = True oOutlookApp.Visible = True End If 'Open a new e-mail message Set oItem = oOutlookApp.CreateItem() ***** This seems to be where the code fails ***** With oItem 'and add the detail to it .To = varStudentMailTo 'send to this address .Subject = "Training Certificate" 'This is the message subject .Body = "Attached is your training certificate for the " & _ varCourseName & " that you completed on " & Format(varCourseEndDate, "mmmm d, yyyy") & "." ' This is the message body text .Attachments.Add Source:=objWord.ActiveDocument.FullName '.Send .Display End With ' If the macro started Outlook, stop it again. If bStarted Then oOutlookApp.Quit End If ' Clean up Set oItem = Nothing Set oOutlookApp = Nothing ' Close the document without saving changes. objWord.ActiveDocument.Close False ' Quit Microsoft Word and release the object variable. objWord.Quit Set objWord = Nothing Exit Function End Function From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Sun Oct 30 12:45:02 2011 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2011 13:45:02 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Windows can be so much fun In-Reply-To: <002701cc9711$c8f37b60$5ada7220$@net> References: <4EAC9C7C.4060906@colbyconsulting.com> <002701cc9711$c8f37b60$5ada7220$@net> Message-ID: <4EAD8D1E.4000206@colbyconsulting.com> And after changing the "Mike laptop" to jwc in about 50 places, the system booted slooooooowly and refused to shut down. I rolled back, restoring the registry and I am back. Whew! All I did this time was replace the "Registered User" with my name. Another lesson learned. I am really loving Windows 7 and my Seagate Momentus XT drive. Between the two I am at the login prompt is about 25 seconds and at the desktop and stable in about 50 seconds. That is nothing short of amazing. John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it On 10/30/2011 10:39 AM, Mark Simms wrote: > The registry remains as one sensitive and complex beast. > That being said, one would think that MSFT would back it up automatically > with at least 5 rolling versions. > Nope - only 1....and strangely they make it difficult to get to the Restore > Point facility. > Cleaning up the registry does help with performance, and I recommend these > (in order: > 1) Registry Fast > 2) Win Utilities > 3) CCleaner > 4) Glary Utilities > > >> >> It is no damned wonder that the registry causes so many problems. >> I did find two specific places where there is a key called "registered >> user" which I changed to my name. We shall see if that makes me the > registered user. > > From vbacreations at gmail.com Sun Oct 30 12:53:35 2011 From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson) Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2011 13:53:35 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Known Bugs List in A2K7/10 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: That's kind of you to say but I did try once to get familiar with the newer VB (2008). I just don't .GET .NET On Oct 20, 2011 4:03 AM, "Gustav Brock" wrote: > Hi William > > Don't say that. As a matter of fact with knowledge like yours, getting > started with Visual Studio is more a question about available time and > patience to pass the first steps of the learning curve - then it is forward > (no ending point). > > /gustav > > > >>> vbacreations at gmail.com 20-10-2011 03:46 >>> > >> .Net, C#, and Visual Studio. > I wish I had the intelligence to pick up something new... don't... > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock > Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2011 4:15 AM > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Known Bugs List in A2K7/10 > > Hi Mark and Darry and ... > > Oh my, what a frightening thread. You guys and Charlotte really scare one > from ever touching development in Access 2007 or 2010. > I never moved beyond 2003 ... then took a sharp right (pun and pun > intended!) turn to .Net, C#, and Visual Studio. > > /gustav > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From marksimms at verizon.net Sun Oct 30 15:01:34 2011 From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms) Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2011 16:01:34 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Windows can be so much fun In-Reply-To: <4EAD8D1E.4000206@colbyconsulting.com> References: <4EAC9C7C.4060906@colbyconsulting.com> <002701cc9711$c8f37b60$5ada7220$@net> <4EAD8D1E.4000206@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <000001cc973e$b9e06840$2da138c0$@net> John- I am really glad those Momentus Drives are working out. I purchased an OCZ SSD and it too is amazing. Unfortunately, my choice of an MSI motherboard with AMD processor was not a good one. It has a built-in ATI Radeon display adapter. The drivers are faulty to the point where if you utilize the power saving feature of shutting off the monitor, it will not come back on for a whole minute ! To say this is annoying is an understatement. Attempts to get this rectified on the MSI Forums just resulted in nasty-grams from the administrators. They threaten to shut down my account if I keep double-posting my issues At this point, and all of this hassle....I do not recommend MSI or AMD products. I was once a big fan of AMD....no more. > I am really loving Windows 7 and my Seagate Momentus XT drive. Between > the two I am at the login > prompt is about 25 seconds and at the desktop and stable in about 50 > seconds. That is nothing short > of amazing. From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Sun Oct 30 15:21:12 2011 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2011 16:21:12 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Windows can be so much fun In-Reply-To: <000001cc973e$b9e06840$2da138c0$@net> References: <4EAC9C7C.4060906@colbyconsulting.com> <002701cc9711$c8f37b60$5ada7220$@net> <4EAD8D1E.4000206@colbyconsulting.com> <000001cc973e$b9e06840$2da138c0$@net> Message-ID: <4EADB1B8.2080605@colbyconsulting.com> What is the board / processor? John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it On 10/30/2011 4:01 PM, Mark Simms wrote: > John- I am really glad those Momentus Drives are working out. I purchased an > OCZ SSD and it too is amazing. > Unfortunately, my choice of an MSI motherboard with AMD processor was not a > good one. > It has a built-in ATI Radeon display adapter. The drivers are faulty to the > point where if you utilize the power saving feature of shutting off the > monitor, it will not come back on for a whole minute ! > To say this is annoying is an understatement. > Attempts to get this rectified on the MSI Forums just resulted in > nasty-grams from the administrators. > They threaten to shut down my account if I keep double-posting my issues > At this point, and all of this hassle....I do not recommend MSI or AMD > products. > I was once a big fan of AMD....no more. > >> I am really loving Windows 7 and my Seagate Momentus XT drive. Between >> the two I am at the login >> prompt is about 25 seconds and at the desktop and stable in about 50 >> seconds. That is nothing short >> of amazing. > > From marksimms at verizon.net Sun Oct 30 17:31:44 2011 From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms) Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2011 18:31:44 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Windows can be so much fun In-Reply-To: <4EADB1B8.2080605@colbyconsulting.com> References: <4EAC9C7C.4060906@colbyconsulting.com> <002701cc9711$c8f37b60$5ada7220$@net> <4EAD8D1E.4000206@colbyconsulting.com> <000001cc973e$b9e06840$2da138c0$@net> <4EADB1B8.2080605@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <001101cc9753$b42e3a70$1c8aaf50$@net> MSI 785GTM-E45; AM2 processor Get this: the key is to get the SSD drive to operate in AHCI mode. NO CAN DO. Windows 7 just blows-up and fails to install the correct drivers. Only IDE mode works with this motherboard. Catch 22: Can't even update the SSD firmware - it must be in AHCI mode !! I'm stuck with a fast, but energy-eating monster....very frustrating. > What is the board / processor? > From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au Sun Oct 30 17:50:37 2011 From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins) Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2011 22:50:37 +0000 Subject: [AccessD] firefox recent browse history In-Reply-To: <4EAAB7DA.4020405@colbyconsulting.com> References: <4EAAB7DA.4020405@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55C8C24@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com> Hi John You have to right mouse click on the back button now. That will give you the ability to 'jump' to anywhere in the history list. Agreed it is more annoying. Took me awhile to figure that out. Cheers Darryl. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: Saturday, 29 October 2011 1:11 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: [AccessD] firefox recent browse history In previous versions of Firefox there was a drop down arrow next to the back / forward buttons in the address bar. That drop down would allow you to see and move directly to a recently browsed page. For example I go to a review, I go through 16 pages of the review, I can then drop down this history arrow and see the page 16 pages back and go there directly to "reset" my location. I am now back in that browse location and can page forward or back from that browse location. Now I have to "page back" 16 times to get back to the point where I started reading this review. That is a huge step backwards to me in terms of convenience. Is that old history control available anymore? Can I get it back somehow? -- John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Sun Oct 30 18:45:01 2011 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2011 19:45:01 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Windows can be so much fun In-Reply-To: <001101cc9753$b42e3a70$1c8aaf50$@net> References: <4EAC9C7C.4060906@colbyconsulting.com> <002701cc9711$c8f37b60$5ada7220$@net> <4EAD8D1E.4000206@colbyconsulting.com> <000001cc973e$b9e06840$2da138c0$@net> <4EADB1B8.2080605@colbyconsulting.com> <001101cc9753$b42e3a70$1c8aaf50$@net> Message-ID: <4EADE17D.1070205@colbyconsulting.com> Is this a new build? It sounds like you were aiming for a WMC system. John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it On 10/30/2011 6:31 PM, Mark Simms wrote: > MSI 785GTM-E45 From marksimms at verizon.net Sun Oct 30 21:15:02 2011 From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms) Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2011 22:15:02 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Windows can be so much fun In-Reply-To: <4EADE17D.1070205@colbyconsulting.com> References: <4EAC9C7C.4060906@colbyconsulting.com> <002701cc9711$c8f37b60$5ada7220$@net> <4EAD8D1E.4000206@colbyconsulting.com> <000001cc973e$b9e06840$2da138c0$@net> <4EADB1B8.2080605@colbyconsulting.com> <001101cc9753$b42e3a70$1c8aaf50$@net> <4EADE17D.1070205@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <001801cc9772$e68f7910$b3ae6b30$@net> Yes, new build. WMC ? huh ? Looking for a decently fast development system that was cheap, that's all.... So I decided on an older, slower processor, but a fast hard drive. It's fast alright, but it's gonna cost be a fortune because it is powering a 28" monitor ! Bottomline: my guess is that the Motherboard is too old to properly support SSD. It's 2009 vintage. From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Sun Oct 30 22:00:23 2011 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2011 23:00:23 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Windows can be so much fun In-Reply-To: <001801cc9772$e68f7910$b3ae6b30$@net> References: <4EAC9C7C.4060906@colbyconsulting.com> <002701cc9711$c8f37b60$5ada7220$@net> <4EAD8D1E.4000206@colbyconsulting.com> <000001cc973e$b9e06840$2da138c0$@net> <4EADB1B8.2080605@colbyconsulting.com> <001101cc9753$b42e3a70$1c8aaf50$@net> <4EADE17D.1070205@colbyconsulting.com> <001801cc9772$e68f7910$b3ae6b30$@net> Message-ID: <4EAE0F47.5060601@colbyconsulting.com> yea, for a new build I would not go AM2. Is it too late to get send it back? If it claims to support AHCI and doesn't that is pretty much grounds. John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it On 10/30/2011 10:15 PM, Mark Simms wrote: > Yes, new build. WMC ? huh ? > Looking for a decently fast development system that was cheap, that's > all.... > So I decided on an older, slower processor, but a fast hard drive. > It's fast alright, but it's gonna cost be a fortune because it is powering a > 28" monitor ! > > Bottomline: my guess is that the Motherboard is too old to properly support > SSD. It's 2009 vintage. > > From Gustav at cactus.dk Mon Oct 31 04:06:09 2011 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2011 10:06:09 +0100 Subject: [AccessD] Beginning Visual Studio and .Net (was: Known Bugs List in A2K7/10) Message-ID: Hi William For a very fast tutorial, browse here - the JumpStart code download and the book: http://examples.oreilly.com/vbjumpstart/ http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/vbjumpstart/ Read and test the sample chapter. It' for VS2005+ and covers the basics. Remember that members of this list have the advantage to know about databases. That's what often hold back other developers. /gustav >>> vbacreations at gmail.com 30-10-2011 18:53 >>> That's kind of you to say but I did try once to get familiar with the newer VB (2008). I just don't .GET .NET On Oct 20, 2011 4:03 AM, "Gustav Brock" wrote: > Hi William > > Don't say that. As a matter of fact with knowledge like yours, getting > started with Visual Studio is more a question about available time and > patience to pass the first steps of the learning curve - then it is forward > (no ending point). > > /gustav > > > >>> vbacreations at gmail.com 20-10-2011 03:46 >>> > >> .Net, C#, and Visual Studio. > I wish I had the intelligence to pick up something new... don't... > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock > Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2011 4:15 AM > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Known Bugs List in A2K7/10 > > Hi Mark and Darry and ... > > Oh my, what a frightening thread. You guys and Charlotte really scare one > from ever touching development in Access 2007 or 2010. > I never moved beyond 2003 ... then took a sharp right (pun and pun > intended!) turn to .Net, C#, and Visual Studio. > > /gustav From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Mon Oct 31 06:57:04 2011 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2011 07:57:04 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Beginning Visual Studio and .Net (was: Known Bugs List in A2K7/10) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4EAE8D10.8010804@colbyconsulting.com> Go take a college class. That's what I did. It made me stick with it, do the homework, be there, ask questions. I am now over the hump and on my way. And if you need to do so, start with VB.net. Under the language "skin" it is all the same stuff. John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it On 10/31/2011 5:06 AM, Gustav Brock wrote: > Hi William > > For a very fast tutorial, browse here - the JumpStart code download and the book: > > http://examples.oreilly.com/vbjumpstart/ > http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/vbjumpstart/ > > Read and test the sample chapter. It' for VS2005+ and covers the basics. > Remember that members of this list have the advantage to know about databases. That's what often hold back other developers. > > /gustav > > >>>> vbacreations at gmail.com 30-10-2011 18:53>>> > That's kind of you to say but I did try once to get familiar with the newer > VB (2008). I just don't > .GET .NET > On Oct 20, 2011 4:03 AM, "Gustav Brock" wrote: > >> Hi William >> >> Don't say that. As a matter of fact with knowledge like yours, getting >> started with Visual Studio is more a question about available time and >> patience to pass the first steps of the learning curve - then it is forward >> (no ending point). >> >> /gustav >> >> >>>>> vbacreations at gmail.com 20-10-2011 03:46>>> >>>> .Net, C#, and Visual Studio. >> I wish I had the intelligence to pick up something new... don't... >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock >> Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2011 4:15 AM >> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com >> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Known Bugs List in A2K7/10 >> >> Hi Mark and Darry and ... >> >> Oh my, what a frightening thread. You guys and Charlotte really scare one >> from ever touching development in Access 2007 or 2010. >> I never moved beyond 2003 ... then took a sharp right (pun and pun >> intended!) turn to .Net, C#, and Visual Studio. >> >> /gustav > > From marksimms at verizon.net Mon Oct 31 07:12:10 2011 From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms) Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2011 08:12:10 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Windows can be so much fun In-Reply-To: <4EAE0F47.5060601@colbyconsulting.com> References: <4EAC9C7C.4060906@colbyconsulting.com> <002701cc9711$c8f37b60$5ada7220$@net> <4EAD8D1E.4000206@colbyconsulting.com> <000001cc973e$b9e06840$2da138c0$@net> <4EADB1B8.2080605@colbyconsulting.com> <001101cc9753$b42e3a70$1c8aaf50$@net> <4EADE17D.1070205@colbyconsulting.com> <001801cc9772$e68f7910$b3ae6b30$@net> <4EAE0F47.5060601@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <002d01cc97c6$51952770$f4bf7650$@net> John - I've now become the tech "poster child" for the penalties caused by "scrimpting" on technology. Bottomline: Ya can't properly mix brand new stuff (SSD, Big LCD's) and old stuff (AM2, 2009 motherboards, old chipsets, etc). Now I've got a "Frankenbuild" - HAH ! From fuller.artful at gmail.com Mon Oct 31 08:17:25 2011 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2011 09:17:25 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Windows can be so much fun In-Reply-To: <002d01cc97c6$51952770$f4bf7650$@net> References: <4EAC9C7C.4060906@colbyconsulting.com> <002701cc9711$c8f37b60$5ada7220$@net> <4EAD8D1E.4000206@colbyconsulting.com> <000001cc973e$b9e06840$2da138c0$@net> <4EADB1B8.2080605@colbyconsulting.com> <001101cc9753$b42e3a70$1c8aaf50$@net> <4EADE17D.1070205@colbyconsulting.com> <001801cc9772$e68f7910$b3ae6b30$@net> <4EAE0F47.5060601@colbyconsulting.com> <002d01cc97c6$51952770$f4bf7650$@net> Message-ID: Wow I like FrankenBuild. That is totally awesome. The software that dares not name its name. A. From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Mon Oct 31 10:38:58 2011 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2011 11:38:58 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Windows can be so much fun In-Reply-To: <002d01cc97c6$51952770$f4bf7650$@net> References: <4EAC9C7C.4060906@colbyconsulting.com> <002701cc9711$c8f37b60$5ada7220$@net> <4EAD8D1E.4000206@colbyconsulting.com> <000001cc973e$b9e06840$2da138c0$@net> <4EADB1B8.2080605@colbyconsulting.com> <001101cc9753$b42e3a70$1c8aaf50$@net> <4EADE17D.1070205@colbyconsulting.com> <001801cc9772$e68f7910$b3ae6b30$@net> <4EAE0F47.5060601@colbyconsulting.com> <002d01cc97c6$51952770$f4bf7650$@net> Message-ID: <4EAEC112.8070207@colbyconsulting.com> LOL. I have to say I have built a couple of low end systems but what I do is go shop the low end of the latest (or one step back) motherboards / processors. Today that means an AM3 motherboard and processor. Or better AM3+ motherboard and an AM3 processor. What is happening right now is that the DDR3 has crossed the "lowest average cost" threshold and replaced DDR2. I just finished replacing my VM server. I am using my old quad core but in a new AM3+ with new DDR3 ram. I spent about $180 for my motherboard and $80 for 16 gigs of ram. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131736 But I already had a low end graphics card and I already had my processor. I thought that $260 was a darned good price for a state of the art motherboard and memory. I am still hanging out waiting for the new FX series processors to solidify. I figure that the prices will start to drop as AMD admits that they don't compete against Intel at their current price point. Probably early next year AMD will release the first major update to the chip itself making it a better bargain as well. I can wait. The whole integrated graphics thing is a huge draw, believe me I know. When I built my HTPCs I used hand me downs from my old servers which had the integrated video. For that purpose it worked swimmingly. John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it On 10/31/2011 8:12 AM, Mark Simms wrote: > John - > I've now become the tech "poster child" for the penalties caused by > "scrimpting" on technology. > Bottomline: > Ya can't properly mix brand new stuff (SSD, Big LCD's) and old stuff (AM2, > 2009 motherboards, old chipsets, etc). > > Now I've got a "Frankenbuild" - HAH ! > > > From davidmcafee at gmail.com Mon Oct 31 14:14:05 2011 From: davidmcafee at gmail.com (David McAfee) Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2011 12:14:05 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Text field not editable, weird issue Message-ID: I'm experiencing something weird on a user's computer. New user (to my database app), new screen (built specifically for her). Her screen works great on my computer whether I'm logged in to the ADP as me or as her. On her computer, it seems to be stuck in a previous text box After Update event. The first text box on the screen is where she enters the PO#. Here is the code in the after update event: Private Sub txtTranNo_AfterUpdate() DoCmd.SetWarnings False Me.lstModelSumm.RowSource = "EXEC dbo.stpSelectTempMach 0" DoCmd.SetWarnings True Me.lstPoResults.RowSource = "EXEC dbo.stpPurchasedMachinesByPO '" & Me.txtTranNo & "'" If Nz(lstPoResults.Column(0, 1), "") <> "" Then Me.lstPoResults.Selected(1) = True Call PopulateFields Else Call ClearEntryFields End If End Sub I put a break point on the very first line and stepped through every line. On my computer I can click on any entry field and enter data or combo box and select a row. I can do same either logged in as her or myself on my box. On her computer (logged in as her or myself), I can step through every line, but If I click on any other control, it behaves as if those controls are locked and if the break point still exists the first line of txtTranNo_AfterUpdate() is highlighted yellow. It is like we are stuck in the after update event. Any ideas? From charlotte.foust at gmail.com Mon Oct 31 14:52:01 2011 From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust) Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2011 12:52:01 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Text field not editable, weird issue In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Since it's an ADP, I'd suggest you check on any possible permissions differences on the two machines, both directory permissions and SQL Server permissions. Charlotte Foust On Mon, Oct 31, 2011 at 12:14 PM, David McAfee wrote: > I'm experiencing something weird on a user's computer. > > New user (to my database app), new screen (built specifically for her). > > Her screen works great on my computer whether I'm logged in to the ADP as > me or as her. > > On her computer, it seems to be stuck in a previous text box After Update > event. > > The first text box on the screen is where she enters the PO#. > > Here is the code in the after update event: > > Private Sub txtTranNo_AfterUpdate() > DoCmd.SetWarnings False > Me.lstModelSumm.RowSource = "EXEC dbo.stpSelectTempMach 0" > DoCmd.SetWarnings True > Me.lstPoResults.RowSource = "EXEC dbo.stpPurchasedMachinesByPO '" & > Me.txtTranNo & "'" > If Nz(lstPoResults.Column(0, 1), "") <> "" Then > Me.lstPoResults.Selected(1) = True > Call PopulateFields > Else > Call ClearEntryFields > End If > > End Sub > > I put a break point on the very first line and stepped through every line. > > On my computer I can click on any entry field and enter data or combo box > and select a row. > > I can do same either logged in as her or myself on my box. > > On her computer (logged in as her or myself), I can step through every > line, but If I click on any other control, > it behaves as if those controls are locked and if the break point still > exists the first line of > txtTranNo_AfterUpdate() is highlighted yellow. > > It is like we are stuck in the after update event. > > Any ideas? > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > From newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz Mon Oct 31 18:00:50 2011 From: newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz (newsgrps) Date: Tue, 01 Nov 2011 12:00:50 +1300 Subject: [AccessD] Cannot open adp in Access 2010 Message-ID: <20111031230044.THAT28897.mta02.xtra.co.nz@David-PC.dalyn.co.nz> I have a number of ADP's created in Access 2002. They open fine in Access 2002. When I try to open them in a recently installed version of Access 2010 (installed on the same machine) the screen flashes and then returns to the File menu where I was trying to open the database from. The file has not opened. I can create a new ADP from Access 2010 and link to either my SQL 2000 or SQL 2008R2 databases. All the SQL objects appear in the navigation pane. If I close the new ADP and try to open it I get the same problem as above. However, I can open the newly created ADP's in Access 2002! The problem was happening before I installed Office SP1, and still persists after installing it. Does anyone else with multiple versions of access have the same problem? Regards David Emerson Dalyn Software Ltd Wellington, New Zealand From davidmcafee at gmail.com Mon Oct 31 18:18:13 2011 From: davidmcafee at gmail.com (David McAfee) Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2011 16:18:13 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Text field not editable, weird issue In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I've checked everything that I could possibly think of. I've signed on to her computer with my network credentials (admin) and it is definitely an issue on her box. I see no missing references. She has Access 2003 installed on her box (Win XP SP3) I develop in Vista / Access 2007, but in 2002-2003 file format. (The ADP was originally created in A2000) I tried putting an exit sub before the end sub. The moment any other control is touched, the after update fires for txtTranNo. It's behaving almost like if the code was in the Before Update event and I was canceling the event. I tried to set focus on another control on the very last line of the sub and I get a 2110 error (can't move focus to control txtSN) On Mon, Oct 31, 2011 at 12:52 PM, Charlotte Foust wrote: > Since it's an ADP, I'd suggest you check on any possible permissions > differences on the two machines, both directory permissions and SQL Server > permissions. > > Charlotte Foust > > On Mon, Oct 31, 2011 at 12:14 PM, David McAfee >wrote: > > > I'm experiencing something weird on a user's computer. > > > > New user (to my database app), new screen (built specifically for her). > > > > Her screen works great on my computer whether I'm logged in to the ADP as > > me or as her. > > > > On her computer, it seems to be stuck in a previous text box After Update > > event. > > > > The first text box on the screen is where she enters the PO#. > > > > Here is the code in the after update event: > > > > Private Sub txtTranNo_AfterUpdate() > > DoCmd.SetWarnings False > > Me.lstModelSumm.RowSource = "EXEC dbo.stpSelectTempMach 0" > > DoCmd.SetWarnings True > > Me.lstPoResults.RowSource = "EXEC dbo.stpPurchasedMachinesByPO '" & > > Me.txtTranNo & "'" > > If Nz(lstPoResults.Column(0, 1), "") <> "" Then > > Me.lstPoResults.Selected(1) = True > > Call PopulateFields > > Else > > Call ClearEntryFields > > End If > > > > End Sub > > > > I put a break point on the very first line and stepped through every > line. > > > > On my computer I can click on any entry field and enter data or combo box > > and select a row. > > > > I can do same either logged in as her or myself on my box. > > > > On her computer (logged in as her or myself), I can step through every > > line, but If I click on any other control, > > it behaves as if those controls are locked and if the break point still > > exists the first line of > > txtTranNo_AfterUpdate() is highlighted yellow. > > > > It is like we are stuck in the after update event. > > > > Any ideas? > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > > > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From charlotte.foust at gmail.com Mon Oct 31 18:54:28 2011 From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust) Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2011 16:54:28 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Text field not editable, weird issue In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Is this the only user or just the only one having problems? Is there a copy of the ADP on her box or is she accessing it from a network site? If the app is on her machine, have you done a decompile and recompile on the app? Once in a while breakpoints will get stuck and only recompiling will get rid of them. If you comment out all the code in that routine but leave the shell, does the application run without an error? Is the next control in the tab order one of the two you're resetting the rowsource on? Charlotte Foust On Mon, Oct 31, 2011 at 4:18 PM, David McAfee wrote: > I've checked everything that I could possibly think of. > > I've signed on to her computer with my network credentials (admin) and it > is definitely an issue on her box. > > I see no missing references. > > She has Access 2003 installed on her box (Win XP SP3) > > I develop in Vista / Access 2007, but in 2002-2003 file format. (The ADP > was originally created in A2000) > > I tried putting an exit sub before the end sub. > The moment any other control is touched, the after update fires for > txtTranNo. > > It's behaving almost like if the code was in the Before Update event and I > was canceling the event. > > I tried to set focus on another control on the very last line of the sub > and I get a 2110 error (can't move focus to control txtSN) > > > > > On Mon, Oct 31, 2011 at 12:52 PM, Charlotte Foust < > charlotte.foust at gmail.com > > wrote: > > > Since it's an ADP, I'd suggest you check on any possible permissions > > differences on the two machines, both directory permissions and SQL > Server > > permissions. > > > > Charlotte Foust > > > > On Mon, Oct 31, 2011 at 12:14 PM, David McAfee > >wrote: > > > > > I'm experiencing something weird on a user's computer. > > > > > > New user (to my database app), new screen (built specifically for her). > > > > > > Her screen works great on my computer whether I'm logged in to the ADP > as > > > me or as her. > > > > > > On her computer, it seems to be stuck in a previous text box After > Update > > > event. > > > > > > The first text box on the screen is where she enters the PO#. > > > > > > Here is the code in the after update event: > > > > > > Private Sub txtTranNo_AfterUpdate() > > > DoCmd.SetWarnings False > > > Me.lstModelSumm.RowSource = "EXEC dbo.stpSelectTempMach 0" > > > DoCmd.SetWarnings True > > > Me.lstPoResults.RowSource = "EXEC dbo.stpPurchasedMachinesByPO '" & > > > Me.txtTranNo & "'" > > > If Nz(lstPoResults.Column(0, 1), "") <> "" Then > > > Me.lstPoResults.Selected(1) = True > > > Call PopulateFields > > > Else > > > Call ClearEntryFields > > > End If > > > > > > End Sub > > > > > > I put a break point on the very first line and stepped through every > > line. > > > > > > On my computer I can click on any entry field and enter data or combo > box > > > and select a row. > > > > > > I can do same either logged in as her or myself on my box. > > > > > > On her computer (logged in as her or myself), I can step through every > > > line, but If I click on any other control, > > > it behaves as if those controls are locked and if the break point still > > > exists the first line of > > > txtTranNo_AfterUpdate() is highlighted yellow. > > > > > > It is like we are stuck in the after update event. > > > > > > Any ideas? > > > -- > > > AccessD mailing list > > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > > > > > > > > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > From newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz Mon Oct 31 20:08:41 2011 From: newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz (newsgrps) Date: Tue, 01 Nov 2011 14:08:41 +1300 Subject: [AccessD] Cannot open adp in Access 2010 - Solved In-Reply-To: <20111031230044.THAT28897.mta02.xtra.co.nz@David-PC.dalyn.c o.nz> References: <20111031230044.THAT28897.mta02.xtra.co.nz@David-PC.dalyn.co.nz> Message-ID: <20111101010833.YGOL18437.mta03.xtra.co.nz@David-PC.dalyn.co.nz> Found the problem. The VBA Source Control Add-in was trying to load (I think). When I tried to open a module from an MDB a message came up saying VBA Source was not installed. I cleared the load behaviour boxes in the Add-in Manager and the error message went away. Then when I tried to load an ADP it loaded fine. David At 1/11/2011, newsgrps wrote: >I have a number of ADP's created in Access 2002. They open fine in >Access 2002. > >When I try to open them in a recently installed version of Access >2010 (installed on the same machine) the screen flashes and then >returns to the File menu where I was trying to open the database >from. The file has not opened. > >I can create a new ADP from Access 2010 and link to either my SQL >2000 or SQL 2008R2 databases. All the SQL objects appear in the >navigation pane. If I close the new ADP and try to open it I get the >same problem as above. However, I can open the newly created ADP's >in Access 2002! > >The problem was happening before I installed Office SP1, and still >persists after installing it. > >Does anyone else with multiple versions of access have the same problem? > > >Regards > >David Emerson >Dalyn Software Ltd >Wellington, New Zealand >-- >AccessD mailing list >AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Sat Oct 1 07:37:07 2011 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Sat, 01 Oct 2011 08:37:07 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] The windows 7 upgrade experience Message-ID: <4E870973.3040301@colbyconsulting.com> I moved my 3 year old Dell M90 laptop to Windows. I purchased the Seagate Momentus XT hybrid drive (it has an SSD cache) and did a clean install of Windows 7 and started the migration. So much fun. I also installed Office 2003 and then Office 2010. Now, even though 2003 is the default when I double click an access database, if I right click in a directory and tell it to create a new database, it creates an Access 2010 database. Does anyone know where that property is stored / changed? Windows is soooooo much fun. I have to say I like Windows 7 much better than Vista. I realize it is really just Vista Service Pack 57 but it still just seems to work better. And I really like the combination of the Seagate XT drive and Windows 7 (clean install). So far it is booting to the logon in just a few seconds and from there to a usable desktop in just a few more seconds. And yea, I know that it may not stay that way after installing / uninstalling a jillion things. But for today it feels like a brand new computer. jwcolby Colby Consulting From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Sat Oct 1 07:45:50 2011 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Sat, 01 Oct 2011 08:45:50 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Strange experience Message-ID: <4E870B7E.2030605@colbyconsulting.com> As I recover from the clean install I am trying to get my billing database working again. For some reason the database container is read only. In file / properties it is read only and if I try to make any change in Access it gives me a "cannot save changes". I go into Explorer and sure enough it is readonly for the "all users". So I change it and save the changes. Go out and back in and the file is now "full control". I can now save a change to a module, and it does in fact seem to save. However one of the local tables inside of the fe had a date() default value. From the debug window date() works just fine. However if i try to add a record Jet does not understand the date() in the default property. Not only that, but after trying to save the record (and failing because jet does not understand date()) the access database is back to read only. And of course I have real work to do and really don't want to play these games. I am going to build a new fe and pull everything in and see what happens. Of course Explorer thingk I want an Access 10 container when I right click / create new database. Sigh. jwcolby Colby Consulting From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Sat Oct 1 07:54:29 2011 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Sat, 01 Oct 2011 08:54:29 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Explorer right click Message-ID: <4E870D85.7060508@colbyconsulting.com> Well it seems that when I was creating an access object in explorer (right click) I was selecting the top selection which is something 2010 related. The 2003 database object is down the list further. So that mystery solved. -- John W. Colby Colby Consulting From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Sat Oct 1 07:55:22 2011 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2011 05:55:22 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] The windows 7 upgrade experience In-Reply-To: <4E870973.3040301@colbyconsulting.com> References: <4E870973.3040301@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <4CEA3C0CF7064A63A805A47B28D4620D@HAL9007> DO you have that "Installing...." thing whenever you switch from 2003 to 2010 of vv? Rocky -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2011 5:37 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: [AccessD] The windows 7 upgrade experience I moved my 3 year old Dell M90 laptop to Windows. I purchased the Seagate Momentus XT hybrid drive (it has an SSD cache) and did a clean install of Windows 7 and started the migration. So much fun. I also installed Office 2003 and then Office 2010. Now, even though 2003 is the default when I double click an access database, if I right click in a directory and tell it to create a new database, it creates an Access 2010 database. Does anyone know where that property is stored / changed? Windows is soooooo much fun. I have to say I like Windows 7 much better than Vista. I realize it is really just Vista Service Pack 57 but it still just seems to work better. And I really like the combination of the Seagate XT drive and Windows 7 (clean install). So far it is booting to the logon in just a few seconds and from there to a usable desktop in just a few more seconds. And yea, I know that it may not stay that way after installing / uninstalling a jillion things. But for today it feels like a brand new computer. jwcolby Colby Consulting -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Sat Oct 1 08:50:59 2011 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Sat, 01 Oct 2011 09:50:59 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Object or class does not support the set of events Message-ID: <4E871AC3.60604@colbyconsulting.com> Holy cow man things just get worse and worse. In lookingup the error message in the subject I found something about having Access "run as administrator". Somehow I found and set that and now *everything* is broken. As I open Access it does the UAC thing (screen dims and asks if i want to allow the application to make changes), then Access tries to open and gives me a "There was a problem sending the command to the program.", then Access does in fact open. What have I done and how do I undo it? I cannot seem to find my back to where I set that property. Will a restore point get rid of this crap? I have billing to get done and I am broken. I have spent two hours on just this stuff and I am now further from a solution than when I started. @#$&*&*^&)(*_)(*)&*%&^#%$#!%*()&_)*_)*(!!!!! -- John W. Colby Colby Consulting From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Sat Oct 1 09:22:45 2011 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Sat, 01 Oct 2011 10:22:45 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] The windows 7 upgrade experience In-Reply-To: <4CEA3C0CF7064A63A805A47B28D4620D@HAL9007> References: <4E870973.3040301@colbyconsulting.com> <4CEA3C0CF7064A63A805A47B28D4620D@HAL9007> Message-ID: <4E872235.8010709@colbyconsulting.com> Yes. On 10/1/2011 8:55 AM, Rocky Smolin wrote: > DO you have that "Installing...." thing whenever you switch from 2003 to > 2010 of vv? > > Rocky > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby > Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2011 5:37 AM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: [AccessD] The windows 7 upgrade experience > > I moved my 3 year old Dell M90 laptop to Windows. I purchased the Seagate > Momentus XT hybrid drive (it has an SSD cache) and did a clean install of > Windows 7 and started the migration. So much fun. > > I also installed Office 2003 and then Office 2010. Now, even though 2003 is > the default when I double click an access database, if I right click in a > directory and tell it to create a new database, it creates an Access 2010 > database. > > Does anyone know where that property is stored / changed? > > Windows is soooooo much fun. > > I have to say I like Windows 7 much better than Vista. I realize it is > really just Vista Service Pack 57 but it still just seems to work better. > > And I really like the combination of the Seagate XT drive and Windows 7 > (clean install). So far it is booting to the logon in just a few seconds > and from there to a usable desktop in just a few more seconds. And yea, I > know that it may not stay that way after installing / uninstalling a jillion > things. But for today it feels like a brand new computer. > > jwcolby > Colby Consulting > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From fuller.artful at gmail.com Sat Oct 1 09:35:29 2011 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2011 10:35:29 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Object or class does not support the set of events In-Reply-To: <4E871AC3.60604@colbyconsulting.com> References: <4E871AC3.60604@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: I have no solutions for you. But IIRC, you're the guy with RAM and SSHDs to die for, so why aren't you using all your spiffy hardware and software to create some VMs and do this in-situ, as it were? And further, why don't you have one box dedicated to "meat and potatoes", and everything else located elsewhere? My close friend Peter Simpson has a pretty cool hardware setup which I envy. I cannot describe the HW details but the essence is this. He has five or six boxes and one keyboard and monitor and mouse, and by flicking a switch, he suddenly moves from Box 1 to Box 2 etc. One box runs Win7, another wXP, another Ubuntu, another RedHat, and yet another Solaris. Someday soon I shall waterboard him for all the details on how to set this up, but at the moment it's a total mystery to me. I just watch him press some magic keystrokes and then suddenly he's in another box, and I don't mean VM, I mean another physical box. I feel that I can no longer keep up with the rapidly-changing technology. I think I'm too old for this career-path. China plans to overtake USA in space-launches. Good thing I'm learning Mandarin (and am actually getting pretty adept; well no, let's settle for "I have the basics", and Cantonese is a way tougher nut to crack, but I'm working on it). A. From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Sat Oct 1 10:13:18 2011 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Sat, 01 Oct 2011 11:13:18 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Object or class does not support the set of events In-Reply-To: References: <4E871AC3.60604@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <4E872E0E.7050601@colbyconsulting.com> > My close friend Peter Simpson has a pretty cool hardware setup which I envy. I cannot describe the HW details but the essence is this. He has five or six boxes and one keyboard and monitor and mouse, and by flicking a switch, he suddenly moves from Box 1 to Box 2 etc. One box runs Win7, another wXP, another Ubuntu, another RedHat, and yet another Solaris. It is called a kvm switch (Keyboard Video Mouse switch). I have one of those but when I moved two of my three server machines to the basement the kvm switch went with it. As for the "why no dedicated virtual machine", well it has to do with I run off of a laptop which is supposed to be portable. VMs, at least on my server are... well... on my server. While I experimented with running them on my laptop they tend to be large-ish and take up disk space. Until this point, my laptop disks were not really big enough to support virtual machines. Plus a laptop by its nature does not have the most powerful / speedy processor chips. The new disk is 500 gigs, which I broke into 100g for the boot and 400 for the data. I intend to reassess the reality of VMs nw that I have this much storage. In the meantime, the billing program is broken. I am going to try running it directly in Access 2010 and see if that works. If so it will provide the imputus to make the switch and learn the (*&%^%$#$#! toolbar interface. If it still does not work I will remove Office 2010 entirely. It appears that it has to do with having both 2003 and 2010 installed at the same time. Maybe. John W. Colby Colby Consulting On 10/1/2011 10:35 AM, Arthur Fuller wrote: > I have no solutions for you. But IIRC, you're the guy with RAM and SSHDs to > die for, so why aren't you using all your spiffy hardware and software to > create some VMs and do this in-situ, as it were? And further, why don't you > have one box dedicated to "meat and potatoes", and everything else located > elsewhere? > > My close friend Peter Simpson has a pretty cool hardware setup which I envy. > I cannot describe the HW details but the essence is this. He has five or six > boxes and one keyboard and monitor and mouse, and by flicking a switch, he > suddenly moves from Box 1 to Box 2 etc. One box runs Win7, another wXP, > another Ubuntu, another RedHat, and yet another Solaris. > > Someday soon I shall waterboard him for all the details on how to set this > up, but at the moment it's a total mystery to me. I just watch him press > some magic keystrokes and then suddenly he's in another box, and I don't > mean VM, I mean another physical box. > > I feel that I can no longer keep up with the rapidly-changing technology. I > think I'm too old for this career-path. China plans to overtake USA in > space-launches. Good thing I'm learning Mandarin (and am actually getting > pretty adept; well no, let's settle for "I have the basics", and Cantonese > is a way tougher nut to crack, but I'm working on it). > > A. From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Sat Oct 1 10:22:33 2011 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Sat, 01 Oct 2011 11:22:33 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Billing works in 2010 Message-ID: <4E873039.4030700@colbyconsulting.com> Well let's say it opens without the complaints that 2003 was giving me. I can log in past my presentation level security. It was the login form that was complaining in 2003. But my time sheet entry is not working. At this point *anything* is progress! ;) -- John W. Colby Colby Consulting From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Sat Oct 1 10:55:26 2011 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Sat, 01 Oct 2011 11:55:26 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Billing "Fully working" in 2010 Message-ID: <4E8737EE.6000805@colbyconsulting.com> I had to relink my views (SQL Server). It seems that I had not stored the password in the link or something. The tables were r/w but the views were ro. So it appears that 4 hours later I am able to use my billing app in 2010. It still gives the same error message in 2003. Unfortunately I use Outlook to send/receive email and it remains to be configured. or move to Blat or the likes. -- John W. Colby Colby Consulting From fuller.artful at gmail.com Sat Oct 1 11:23:56 2011 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2011 12:23:56 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Object or class does not support the set of events In-Reply-To: <4E872E0E.7050601@colbyconsulting.com> References: <4E871AC3.60604@colbyconsulting.com> <4E872E0E.7050601@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: My suggestion is to run each of these apps in its own VM, the principle reason being that no bedbugs can clutter any other installation. Thus you can have an XP VM, an Ubuntu VM, a Win7 VM and even a Win8 VM, all residing comfortably within your vast amount of RAM. My suggestion is that you create a VM that exactly mirrors your clients' setup, and do all your development work within that environment. This will (in theory) obviate any possible library-collisions, updates and so on. In practise, I have five VMs at the ready. Two are tailored to clients' in-sutu, with nothing loaded in the given instance but wXP in one case and w7 in the other; the others are devoted to various flavours of Linux. I have no billable clients on Linux but I keep on learning, and I don't want anything I do in any environment to screw up what already works in any given VM. The upside is that everything (e;g; every client's world) is protected from anything stupid that I may do on the base.The downside is that I have to remember all the backups and their schedules; but I am willing to trade off this for that. At the moment, this whole op is relatively trivial: two clients plus me. Perhaps my approach might grow unwieldy, in the face of dozens or hundreds of clients, but for the moment it works, and I can even envision its scalability. It is quite possible that the future shall prove me wrong, and that I shall have to rethink this, someday down the road. But for the moment, which involves a client-base of two, it works so far. From fuller.artful at gmail.com Sat Oct 1 11:29:11 2011 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2011 12:29:11 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Billing "Fully working" in 2010 In-Reply-To: <4E8737EE.6000805@colbyconsulting.com> References: <4E8737EE.6000805@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: Oh boy. Have you considered gmail? IMO it is way better than any other player, and a cool thing about it is, if you have a laptop and want to visit Starbucks, you can connect with everything intact. As for me, I gave up on Outlook two or three years ago, and I will never go back. A. On Sat, Oct 1, 2011 at 11:55 AM, jwcolby wrote: > I had to relink my views (SQL Server). It seems that I had not stored the > password in the link or something. The tables were r/w but the views were > ro. > > So it appears that 4 hours later I am able to use my billing app in 2010. > It still gives the same error message in 2003. > > Unfortunately I use Outlook to send/receive email and it remains to be > configured. or move to Blat or the likes. > > From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Sat Oct 1 12:06:10 2011 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Sat, 01 Oct 2011 13:06:10 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Billing "Fully working" in 2010 In-Reply-To: References: <4E8737EE.6000805@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <4E874882.5090009@colbyconsulting.com> Do you automate gmail? My billing program generates invoices which I then attach to an outlook email and send. John W. Colby Colby Consulting On 10/1/2011 12:29 PM, Arthur Fuller wrote: > Oh boy. Have you considered gmail? IMO it is way better than any other > player, and a cool thing about it is, if you have a laptop and want to visit > Starbucks, you can connect with everything intact. > > As for me, I gave up on Outlook two or three years ago, and I will never go > back. > > A. > > On Sat, Oct 1, 2011 at 11:55 AM, jwcolbywrote: > >> I had to relink my views (SQL Server). It seems that I had not stored the >> password in the link or something. The tables were r/w but the views were >> ro. >> >> So it appears that 4 hours later I am able to use my billing app in 2010. >> It still gives the same error message in 2003. >> >> Unfortunately I use Outlook to send/receive email and it remains to be >> configured. or move to Blat or the likes. >> >> From john at winhaven.net Sat Oct 1 12:59:37 2011 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2011 12:59:37 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Billing "Fully working" in 2010 In-Reply-To: <4E874882.5090009@colbyconsulting.com> References: <4E8737EE.6000805@colbyconsulting.com> <4E874882.5090009@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <00d701cc8063$e284e6a0$a78eb3e0$@winhaven.net> That's the problem with web based email programs. Automating them and being assured that they don't change without you being notified. I've recently been burned in this regards by Live Mail and Hotmail so beware. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2011 12:06 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Billing "Fully working" in 2010 Do you automate gmail? My billing program generates invoices which I then attach to an outlook email and send. John W. Colby Colby Consulting On 10/1/2011 12:29 PM, Arthur Fuller wrote: > Oh boy. Have you considered gmail? IMO it is way better than any other > player, and a cool thing about it is, if you have a laptop and want to > visit Starbucks, you can connect with everything intact. > > As for me, I gave up on Outlook two or three years ago, and I will > never go back. > > A. > > On Sat, Oct 1, 2011 at 11:55 AM, jwcolbywrote: > >> I had to relink my views (SQL Server). It seems that I had not >> stored the password in the link or something. The tables were r/w >> but the views were ro. >> >> So it appears that 4 hours later I am able to use my billing app in 2010. >> It still gives the same error message in 2003. >> >> Unfortunately I use Outlook to send/receive email and it remains to >> be configured. or move to Blat or the likes. >> >> -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From john at winhaven.net Sat Oct 1 12:59:37 2011 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2011 12:59:37 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Object or class does not support the set of events In-Reply-To: References: <4E871AC3.60604@colbyconsulting.com> <4E872E0E.7050601@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <00d801cc8063$e2d37bd0$a87a7370$@winhaven.net> I was about to suggest something similar. Run Office 2010 on your PC and office (insert old version) in a VM. You can set your virtual machine to be a window just like any other program so it is always available. Also I have had some compatibility issues between Windows 7 and Outlook 2003. Unfortunately I can recall what they were but it prompted me to just use Outlook 2010 for my email. I have all of Office 2003 in an XP VM where it works like butta! -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2011 11:24 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Object or class does not support the set of events My suggestion is to run each of these apps in its own VM, the principle reason being that no bedbugs can clutter any other installation. Thus you can have an XP VM, an Ubuntu VM, a Win7 VM and even a Win8 VM, all residing comfortably within your vast amount of RAM. My suggestion is that you create a VM that exactly mirrors your clients' setup, and do all your development work within that environment. This will (in theory) obviate any possible library-collisions, updates and so on. In practise, I have five VMs at the ready. Two are tailored to clients' in-sutu, with nothing loaded in the given instance but wXP in one case and w7 in the other; the others are devoted to various flavours of Linux. I have no billable clients on Linux but I keep on learning, and I don't want anything I do in any environment to screw up what already works in any given VM. The upside is that everything (e;g; every client's world) is protected from anything stupid that I may do on the base.The downside is that I have to remember all the backups and their schedules; but I am willing to trade off this for that. At the moment, this whole op is relatively trivial: two clients plus me. Perhaps my approach might grow unwieldy, in the face of dozens or hundreds of clients, but for the moment it works, and I can even envision its scalability. It is quite possible that the future shall prove me wrong, and that I shall have to rethink this, someday down the road. But for the moment, which involves a client-base of two, it works so far. -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Sat Oct 1 13:25:34 2011 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2011 14:25:34 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Billing "Fully working" in 2010 In-Reply-To: <4E8737EE.6000805@colbyconsulting.com> References: <4E8737EE.6000805@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: I confess that I use a version of the TIme-Billing app that was a sample app in Office 2007. I reshaped it to suit my needs and then have used it ever since. It works excellenty for my meagre requirements -- single or occasionally assistant developer, and dealing with several projects. and allowing me to assign an hour to this task and and two hours to that task, and print an invoice and send same to the client in question as a PDF file. That's enough for me, and also for Revenue Canada, our equivalent of the IRS. I needed to add a couple of columns to the sample app, and to modify the queries and reports to reflect these new columns, but basically I changed almost nothing in the sample app, and it works wonderfully for my modest needs. I have not bothered to migrate it to SQL Server, since I am the only user of this db, but I have migrated dozens of client dbs and it's a breeze to go there. I back up the BE daily and why go further if the existing solution works? Way back when, I believed the opposite: "If it works, break it, and think of something better." Well, I don't have enough time remaining in my life to continue upon this path. Younger souls may have the time and energy, but I'm out of both. If it works, leave it alone! That's my current motto. You know what, I just lied. I cannot leave a well-bed baby alone. I have to go back and tend to her. In terms of code, this means Refactoring, and even if the client is not willing to pay, I can't help revisiting apps delivered and accepted. I revisit them compulsively, and I look at the 20+lines of code and think, couldn't this be 10 lines? And so on. I can't help it, even though the last invoice to the given client might have been a year ago. I return to the code and inspect it and think, "What an idiot On Sat, Oct 1, 2011 at 11:55 AM, jwcolby wrote: > I had to relink my views (SQL Server). It seems that I had not stored the > password in the link or something. The tables were r/w but the views were > ro. > > So it appears that 4 hours later I am able to use my billing app in 2010. > It still gives the same error message in 2003. > > Unfortunately I use Outlook to send/receive email and it remains to be > configured. or move to Blat or the likes. > > -- > John W. Colby > Colby Consulting > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.**com > From fuller.artful at gmail.com Sat Oct 1 13:40:17 2011 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2011 14:40:17 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Billing "Fully working" in 2010 In-Reply-To: <4E874882.5090009@colbyconsulting.com> References: <4E8737EE.6000805@colbyconsulting.com> <4E874882.5090009@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: You're way ahead of me on that one. I do it manually, but then I only have two clients and judging by your emails you have lots! And so it should be, you got plenty of skills and I rather fewer. But I shall just plod on with my meagre skill set, and hope for the best. I just had a great conversation with my neighbor Bessie, whose first language is Greek. I know a handful of words; I'm much better at Cantonese and Mandarin, although even there I'm pretty shaky, but I'm trying. It's election time in Ontario, and I'm out there stumping for my old friend Peter Tabuns, NDP (in USA-English that would be equivalent to socialist LOL, but that is far from the truth. I just stopped in to see what condition my email was in; now it's back out to hanging the drops in every mail-drop. Frankly this riding is a shoe-in, we've carried it for 20+ years, but still, one must tread the paths and hand out the literature. This is my lovely weekend. Stumping is physical, not at all virtual. You do your prison thing, and for that I applaud you profoundly. I do my little bit toward electing the NDP here in Ontario. It may not amount to a hill of beans, but it's better than doing nothing. Arthur On Sat, Oct 1, 2011 at 1:06 PM, jwcolby wrote: > Do you automate gmail? My billing program generates invoices which I then > attach to an outlook email and send. > > > John W. Colby > Colby Consulting > > On 10/1/2011 12:29 PM, Arthur Fuller wrote: > >> Oh boy. Have you considered gmail? IMO it is way better than any other >> player, and a cool thing about it is, if you have a laptop and want to >> visit >> Starbucks, you can connect with everything intact. >> >> As for me, I gave up on Outlook two or three years ago, and I will never >> go >> back. >> >> A. >> >> On Sat, Oct 1, 2011 at 11:55 AM, jwcolby >> >wrote: >> >> I had to relink my views (SQL Server). It seems that I had not stored >>> the >>> password in the link or something. The tables were r/w but the views >>> were >>> ro. >>> >>> So it appears that 4 hours later I am able to use my billing app in 2010. >>> It still gives the same error message in 2003. >>> >>> Unfortunately I use Outlook to send/receive email and it remains to be >>> configured. or move to Blat or the likes. >>> >>> >>> -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.**com > From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Sat Oct 1 14:42:08 2011 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Sat, 01 Oct 2011 15:42:08 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Having nothing better to do (yea right) Message-ID: <4E876D10.2060401@colbyconsulting.com> I installed Visual Studio 2008 and 2010 on my "new" laptop, including hooking up to source control. I pulled the main client projects into 2008 and then into 2010, whereupon 2010 insisted on converting the 2008 to 2010. It then occurred to me that if I saved it to source control I would be screwing up the 2008 code (which is the production version). I guess I need to store 2010 out as a new version, just to play with. We have much experience in VS 2008 but I have none in 2010 though Paul does. I also downloaded the XNA game studio 4.0 for VS 2010. I have been hankering for years to re-write the old Empire game from scratch in a modern environment. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classic_Empire_(video_game) I have played that game since the late 80s and amazingly, it still runs under Windows 2007. It was the grandpappy of most modern strategy war games and I play it to this day against the computer. Wouldn't it be cool to do it in C#, classes, sql server express as a data store, multi-player over the internet? I have only ever played it against another live person one time, when I played against my uncle on his Mac. I am convinced I am a better player than he, but he wiped the floor with me because, I believe, the rules (strategy tables) between the mac version and the pc version were sufficiently different. Playing against another person consisted of physically exchanging the computer between turns, very crude. Now days we could play against each other on different continents. Having nothing better to do... -- John W. Colby Colby Consulting From accessd at shaw.ca Sat Oct 1 15:09:53 2011 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2011 13:09:53 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Having nothing better to do (yea right) In-Reply-To: <4E876D10.2060401@colbyconsulting.com> References: <4E876D10.2060401@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: That sounds like a fun project John. Jim -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2011 12:42 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving; VBA Subject: [AccessD] Having nothing better to do (yea right) I installed Visual Studio 2008 and 2010 on my "new" laptop, including hooking up to source control. I pulled the main client projects into 2008 and then into 2010, whereupon 2010 insisted on converting the 2008 to 2010. It then occurred to me that if I saved it to source control I would be screwing up the 2008 code (which is the production version). I guess I need to store 2010 out as a new version, just to play with. We have much experience in VS 2008 but I have none in 2010 though Paul does. I also downloaded the XNA game studio 4.0 for VS 2010. I have been hankering for years to re-write the old Empire game from scratch in a modern environment. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classic_Empire_(video_game) I have played that game since the late 80s and amazingly, it still runs under Windows 2007. It was the grandpappy of most modern strategy war games and I play it to this day against the computer. Wouldn't it be cool to do it in C#, classes, sql server express as a data store, multi-player over the internet? I have only ever played it against another live person one time, when I played against my uncle on his Mac. I am convinced I am a better player than he, but he wiped the floor with me because, I believe, the rules (strategy tables) between the mac version and the pc version were sufficiently different. Playing against another person consisted of physically exchanging the computer between turns, very crude. Now days we could play against each other on different continents. Having nothing better to do... -- John W. Colby Colby Consulting -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Sat Oct 1 15:13:52 2011 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Sat, 01 Oct 2011 16:13:52 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] True Crypt whole disk encryption Message-ID: <4E877480.2080209@colbyconsulting.com> The last iteration with my laptop I used Windows Bit locker to perform a whole disk encryption. This time I am using Windows 7 Home Premium which does not include Bit locker. I had just about decided to use True Crypt anyway because with Bil Locker I was unable to mount the old hard disk on another computer to pull the old contents off onto the new disk. So when I installed Windows 7 I broke the disk into three partitions, a 6 gig for the swap file, 100 gig for the OS/programs and 400 gig for data. I then started Truecrypt and told it to go to work encrypting the whole thing and went to bed. In the morning... the computer had decided to sleep during the night (lazy thing!) and so it was only 25% finished. It took most of the day to finish encrypting the entire disk (all partitions) and so here I am. Having done that I decided to hang the truecrypt encrypted disk on another computer, put the old disk back in and push the disk contents out to the other disk. The other disk would not finish loading Windows with the truecrypt encrypted disk on it! It would start to load Windows (2008 server) and then apparently it ran into the true crypt disk and couldn't handle it. It just hung, never finished loading windows. In the end I told the bitlocker software to unencrypt the old disk, then hung that on another machine and put the truecrypt disk back in the laptop, and pulled everything into the new disk. Well not everything but you know what I mean. At least I can do that with the unencrypted disk drive. Things never work the way I envision them working. Truecrypt is not significantly slowing down the new disk. I do have to enter the password at the point where the bios tries to load windows, then off it goes. Not good for auto reboot after software updates... -- John W. Colby Colby Consulting From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Sat Oct 1 15:55:58 2011 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Sun, 02 Oct 2011 06:55:58 +1000 Subject: [AccessD] Object or class does not support the set of events In-Reply-To: <4E872E0E.7050601@colbyconsulting.com> References: <4E871AC3.60604@colbyconsulting.com>, , <4E872E0E.7050601@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <4E877E5E.30439.419E988@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> I've been running different versions of Access in VirtualBox VMs on my laptop for a couple of years with no problems. (Intel 2,4GB Core2 Duo, 4GM Ram, , 320GB partitioned into 22 drives, Vista) -- Stuart On 1 Oct 2011 at 11:13, jwcolby wrote: > > As for the "why no dedicated virtual machine", well it has to do with > I run off of a laptop which is supposed to be portable. VMs, at least > on my server are... well... on my server. While I experimented with > running them on my laptop they tend to be large-ish and take up disk > space. Until this point, my laptop disks were not really big enough > to support virtual machines. Plus a laptop by its nature does not > have the most powerful / speedy processor chips. > > The new disk is 500 gigs, which I broke into 100g for the boot and 400 > for the data. I intend to reassess the reality of VMs nw that I have > this much storage. > > In the meantime, the billing program is broken. > > I am going to try running it directly in Access 2010 and see if that > works. If so it will provide the imputus to make the switch and learn > the (*&%^%$#$#! toolbar interface. If it still does not work I will > remove Office 2010 entirely. It appears that it has to do with having > both 2003 and 2010 installed at the same time. Maybe. > > John W. Colby > Colby Consulting > > > On 10/1/2011 10:35 AM, Arthur Fuller wrote: > > I have no solutions for you. But IIRC, you're the guy with RAM and > > SSHDs to die for, so why aren't you using all your spiffy hardware > > and software to create some VMs and do this in-situ, as it were? And > > further, why don't you have one box dedicated to "meat and > > potatoes", and everything else located elsewhere? > > > > My close friend Peter Simpson has a pretty cool hardware setup which > > I envy. I cannot describe the HW details but the essence is this. He > > has five or six boxes and one keyboard and monitor and mouse, and by > > flicking a switch, he suddenly moves from Box 1 to Box 2 etc. One > > box runs Win7, another wXP, another Ubuntu, another RedHat, and yet > > another Solaris. > > > > Someday soon I shall waterboard him for all the details on how to > > set this up, but at the moment it's a total mystery to me. I just > > watch him press some magic keystrokes and then suddenly he's in > > another box, and I don't mean VM, I mean another physical box. > > > > I feel that I can no longer keep up with the rapidly-changing > > technology. I think I'm too old for this career-path. China plans to > > overtake USA in space-launches. Good thing I'm learning Mandarin > > (and am actually getting pretty adept; well no, let's settle for "I > > have the basics", and Cantonese is a way tougher nut to crack, but > > I'm working on it). > > > > A. > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Sat Oct 1 16:03:09 2011 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Sat, 01 Oct 2011 17:03:09 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Object or class does not support the set of events In-Reply-To: <4E877E5E.30439.419E988@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: <4E871AC3.60604@colbyconsulting.com>, , <4E872E0E.7050601@colbyconsulting.com> <4E877E5E.30439.419E988@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <4E87800D.2080005@colbyconsulting.com> >320GB partitioned into 22 drives, Vista That's interesting. Is a drive per vm more efficient? John W. Colby Colby Consulting On 10/1/2011 4:55 PM, Stuart McLachlan wrote: > I've been running different versions of Access in VirtualBox VMs on my laptop for a couple of > years with no problems. (Intel 2,4GB Core2 Duo, 4GM Ram, , 320GB partitioned into 22 > drives, Vista) > From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Sat Oct 1 16:19:45 2011 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Sun, 02 Oct 2011 07:19:45 +1000 Subject: [AccessD] Object or class does not support the set of events In-Reply-To: <4E87800D.2080005@colbyconsulting.com> References: <4E871AC3.60604@colbyconsulting.com>, <4E877E5E.30439.419E988@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>, <4E87800D.2080005@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <4E8783F1.24104.42FB002@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Doh, Typo - 2 Drives :-) -- Stuart On 1 Oct 2011 at 17:03, jwcolby wrote: > >320GB partitioned into 22 drives, Vista > > That's interesting. Is a drive per vm more efficient? > > John W. Colby > Colby Consulting > > On 10/1/2011 4:55 PM, Stuart McLachlan wrote: > > I've been running different versions of Access in VirtualBox VMs on > > my laptop for a couple of years with no problems. (Intel 2,4GB > > Core2 Duo, 4GM Ram, , 320GB partitioned into 22 drives, Vista) > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Sat Oct 1 22:21:02 2011 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Sat, 01 Oct 2011 23:21:02 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Object or class does not support the set of events In-Reply-To: <4E8783F1.24104.42FB002@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: <4E871AC3.60604@colbyconsulting.com>, <4E877E5E.30439.419E988@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>, <4E87800D.2080005@colbyconsulting.com> <4E8783F1.24104.42FB002@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <4E87D89E.700@colbyconsulting.com> You mean there aren't 22 different versions of office? ;) John W. Colby Colby Consulting On 10/1/2011 5:19 PM, Stuart McLachlan wrote: > Doh, > > Typo - 2 Drives :-) > From charlotte.foust at gmail.com Sat Oct 1 23:03:07 2011 From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust) Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2011 21:03:07 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Object or class does not support the set of events In-Reply-To: <4E87D89E.700@colbyconsulting.com> References: <4E871AC3.60604@colbyconsulting.com> <4E877E5E.30439.419E988@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <4E87800D.2080005@colbyconsulting.com> <4E8783F1.24104.42FB002@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <4E87D89E.700@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: No, John, those are sevice packs you're thinking of. LOL Charlotte Foust On Sat, Oct 1, 2011 at 8:21 PM, jwcolby wrote: > You mean there aren't 22 different versions of office? > > ;) > > John W. Colby > Colby Consulting > > On 10/1/2011 5:19 PM, Stuart McLachlan wrote: > >> Doh, >> >> Typo - 2 Drives :-) >> >> -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/accessd > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.**com > > > From vbacreations at gmail.com Sun Oct 2 02:02:09 2011 From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson) Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2011 03:02:09 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Object or class does not support the set of events In-Reply-To: <4E871AC3.60604@colbyconsulting.com> References: <4E871AC3.60604@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: Can you shut off uac? On Oct 1, 2011 9:52 AM, "jwcolby" wrote: > Holy cow man things just get worse and worse. > > In lookingup the error message in the subject I found something about having Access "run as > administrator". Somehow I found and set that and now *everything* is broken. As I open Access it > does the UAC thing (screen dims and asks if i want to allow the application to make changes), then > Access tries to open and gives me a "There was a problem sending the command to the program.", then > Access does in fact open. > > What have I done and how do I undo it? I cannot seem to find my back to where I set that property. > Will a restore point get rid of this crap? > > I have billing to get done and I am broken. I have spent two hours on just this stuff and I am now > further from a solution than when I started. > > @#$&*&*^&)(*_)(*)&*%&^#%$#!%*()&_)*_)*(!!!!! > > -- > John W. Colby > Colby Consulting > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From hans.andersen at phulse.com Sun Oct 2 05:26:06 2011 From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen) Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2011 03:26:06 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Object or class does not support the set of events In-Reply-To: References: <4E871AC3.60604@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <10CCBA04-1EA4-44F4-826B-4F0B392724CA@phulse.com> John, >> In looking up the error message in the subject I found something about having Access "run as administrator". Somehow I found and set that and now *everything* is broken. Assuming you are running Windows Vista or 7, most likely you set this under the properties of the Access application shortcut. Open your program shortcut. Here is an article describing the process: http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/magazine/ff431742.aspx Regarding KVMs, I love the idea, but in this modern day and age, I find it hard to justify purchasing a KVM that doesn't work over IP, which are really expensive (relative to their functionatlity) and they tend to try to charge ridiculous prices just for the connectors alone. Fortunately, I deal with Dell servers on a daily basis and they have a lovely (and surprisingly under-stated) remote management feature called DRAC, which lets you hook directly into the console via a java applet (loaded through a browser based administration page) over the network. I know other server vendors have such technology as well (ie. hp lights out), but the only HP proliant server we have lacks this feature (among others). Coupled with a solid VPN and you can administer your servers fairly reliably from anywhere in the world, not just from home. This assumes, however, that you have nice expensive servers :) > Can you shut off uac? You can, as in the link below, but I highly recommend that you consider the implications. First, there is of course a matter of security. But, also, in my experience, when Windows 7 works within administrator mode, it seems to load a different profile/settings. This might only be the case for some applications however, I don't know for certain. I had one experience where I installed an application that required admin rights to function, but I did not know it at the time. So, upon installing it and putting in the registration code, it then told me I had to run it as admin. When doing so, it completely forgot all my settings and even that I was registered to begin with. Unfortunately, the way the software was designed, it would only let you enter the reg key once, so when I entered it again, it said it was already taken, so I had to convince the company that I wasn't a freeloader in order to get them to release my key again. A very painful process, but it taught me one thing, which was that running apps as admin doesn't necessarily mean you are just running it as your user with escalated privileges. Also, turning off UAC doesn't mean that it changes the way UAC works. It just means that you don't get bothered by a pop up dialogue asking for confirmation anymore. http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/windows-vista/disable-user-account-control-uac-the-easy-way-on-windows-vista/ Good luck, - Hans On 2011-10-02, at 12:02 AM, William Benson wrote: > Can you shut off uac? > On Oct 1, 2011 9:52 AM, "jwcolby" wrote: >> Holy cow man things just get worse and worse. >> >> In lookingup the error message in the subject I found something about > having Access "run as >> administrator". Somehow I found and set that and now *everything* is > broken. As I open Access it >> does the UAC thing (screen dims and asks if i want to allow the > application to make changes), then >> Access tries to open and gives me a "There was a problem sending the > command to the program.", then >> Access does in fact open. >> >> What have I done and how do I undo it? I cannot seem to find my back to > where I set that property. >> Will a restore point get rid of this crap? >> >> I have billing to get done and I am broken. I have spent two hours on just > this stuff and I am now >> further from a solution than when I started. >> >> @#$&*&*^&)(*_)(*)&*%&^#%$#!%*()&_)*_)*(!!!!! >> >> -- >> John W. Colby >> Colby Consulting >> -- >> AccessD mailing list >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From tinanfields at torchlake.com Sun Oct 2 10:16:51 2011 From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields) Date: Sun, 02 Oct 2011 11:16:51 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Billing "Fully working" in 2010 In-Reply-To: References: <4E8737EE.6000805@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <4E888063.8030609@torchlake.com> Arthur, I get that. Figuring out ways to do what you have already done, but to do it better, probably comes with the intellectual territory you have. It's a fine thing to do. Keep on doing it. T Tina Norris Fields tinanfields at torchlake.com 231-322-2787 On 10/1/2011 2:25 PM, Arthur Fuller wrote: > I confess that I use a version of the TIme-Billing app that was a sample app > in Office 2007. I reshaped it to suit my needs and then have used it ever > since. It works excellenty for my meagre requirements -- single or > occasionally assistant developer, and dealing with several projects. and > allowing me to assign an hour to this task and and two hours to that task, > and print an invoice and send same to the client in question as a PDF file. > That's enough for me, and also for Revenue Canada, our equivalent of the > IRS. > > I needed to add a couple of columns to the sample app, and to modify the > queries and reports to reflect these new columns, but basically I changed > almost nothing in the sample app, and it works wonderfully for my modest > needs. I have not bothered to migrate it to SQL Server, since I am the only > user of this db, but I have migrated dozens of client dbs and it's a breeze > to go there. I back up the BE daily and why go further if the existing > solution works? > > Way back when, I believed the opposite: "If it works, break it, and think of > something better." Well, I don't have enough time remaining in my life to > continue upon this path. Younger souls may have the time and energy, but I'm > out of both. If it works, leave it alone! That's my current motto. > > You know what, I just lied. I cannot leave a well-bed baby alone. I have to > go back and tend to her. In terms of code, this means Refactoring, and even > if the client is not willing to pay, I can't help revisiting apps delivered > and accepted. I revisit them compulsively, and I look at the 20+lines of > code and think, couldn't this be 10 lines? And so on. I can't help it, even > though the last invoice to the given client might have been a year ago. I > return to the code and inspect it and think, "What an idiot > > On Sat, Oct 1, 2011 at 11:55 AM, jwcolbywrote: > >> I had to relink my views (SQL Server). It seems that I had not stored the >> password in the link or something. The tables were r/w but the views were >> ro. >> >> So it appears that 4 hours later I am able to use my billing app in 2010. >> It still gives the same error message in 2003. >> >> Unfortunately I use Outlook to send/receive email and it remains to be >> configured. or move to Blat or the likes. >> >> -- >> John W. Colby >> Colby Consulting >> -- >> AccessD mailing list >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/accessd >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.**com >> From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Sun Oct 2 10:22:54 2011 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Sun, 02 Oct 2011 11:22:54 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Object or class does not support the set of events In-Reply-To: References: <4E871AC3.60604@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <4E8881CE.2040909@colbyconsulting.com> I can but I would rather not. John W. Colby Colby Consulting On 10/2/2011 3:02 AM, William Benson wrote: > Can you shut off uac? > On Oct 1, 2011 9:52 AM, "jwcolby" wrote: >> Holy cow man things just get worse and worse. >> >> In lookingup the error message in the subject I found something about > having Access "run as >> administrator". Somehow I found and set that and now *everything* is > broken. As I open Access it >> does the UAC thing (screen dims and asks if i want to allow the > application to make changes), then >> Access tries to open and gives me a "There was a problem sending the > command to the program.", then >> Access does in fact open. >> >> What have I done and how do I undo it? I cannot seem to find my back to > where I set that property. >> Will a restore point get rid of this crap? >> >> I have billing to get done and I am broken. I have spent two hours on just > this stuff and I am now >> further from a solution than when I started. >> >> @#$&*&*^&)(*_)(*)&*%&^#%$#!%*()&_)*_)*(!!!!! >> >> -- >> John W. Colby >> Colby Consulting >> -- >> AccessD mailing list >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From tinanfields at torchlake.com Sun Oct 2 10:55:30 2011 From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields) Date: Sun, 02 Oct 2011 11:55:30 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Geek to Live: Secure your saved passwords in Firefox In-Reply-To: <4E863B87.4080302@colbyconsulting.com> References: <4E863B87.4080302@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <4E888972.2070800@torchlake.com> Aha! Next question is: How easy would it be for a hacker to get the Firefox saved passwords? T Tina Norris Fields tinanfields at torchlake.com 231-322-2787 On 9/30/2011 5:58 PM, jwcolby wrote: > http://lifehacker.com/154099/geek-to-live--secure-your-saved-passwords-in-firefox > > > jwcolby From tinanfields at torchlake.com Sun Oct 2 11:00:02 2011 From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields) Date: Sun, 02 Oct 2011 12:00:02 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Calculating mileage In-Reply-To: <4E81B916.70601@colbyconsulting.com> References: <4E81B916.70601@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <4E888A82.80905@torchlake.com> Well, I am obviously very old-fashioned. I keep a log in the car and record all my trips - everything. So, the record is already there. Only as I'm preparing the tax return do I enter the data into a spreadsheet so I can accurately calculate my personal and business miles. T Tina Norris Fields tinanfields at torchlake.com 231-322-2787 On 9/27/2011 7:52 AM, jwcolby wrote: > Before tax time I need to add a module to my inmate checkout to > calculate mileage for all legs of a trip with the inmates. The > database contains records of where we go - the midpoints points - with > addresses, but the database does not have my start / end point (home). > > 1) Home to prison > 2) Prison to first destination in the db > 3) First destination to second destination (if any) > 4) Second destination to third destination (if any) > 5) Last destination to prison > 6) Prison to home > > I thought I would try to use Microsoft Streets and trips to do the > mapping, though I am open to using Google Maps if there is a > programming interface available to the VBA language. > > I could of course manually enter the trips into Streets and trips, get > the mileage and build a table of all the "legs" that I have ever done > but that is error prone and forces me to do the whole thing manually. > Also this is in use by other people so it would be nice to build a > module that would also calculate their legs, which I certainly do not > want to do myself manually. > > If for tax purposes I just assume that we always start from home and > end at home I could use something like Streets and trips (which I > have) to calculate all of these legs for each trip and place them in a > table. At tax time I then have a mileage log for the IRS. > > I have never used Streets and Trips for this purpose. I do know that > it has an API and VBA available for it. If anyone uses it for this > purpose and has a library (or a function) written to do this that they > would share that would be great. Or a web or help resource for this. > > Thanks, > From tinanfields at torchlake.com Sun Oct 2 11:09:01 2011 From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields) Date: Sun, 02 Oct 2011 12:09:01 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Calculating mileage In-Reply-To: <4E830013.2020403@colbyconsulting.com> References: <4E81B916.70601@colbyconsulting.com> <000701cc7d6b$a78c1550$f6a43ff0$@com.au> <4E8287F3.2000201@colbyconsulting.com><002201cc7d8f$25cae130$7160a390$@com.au> <4E830013.2020403@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <4E888C9D.2080005@torchlake.com> Dear John, I love it! Do the records in your database have any connection at all to the odometer readings? (Probably not.) So, you need a way to calculate travel distances between physical addresses. I t would seem that a mapping program of some sort would provide the solution - just as Google Maps and MapQuest tell you how far it is from home to the VA hospital in Ann Arbor, for instance. It's not yet clear to me how to get your addresses out of the database and into the mapping program, but, there's got to be a way. Thanks for a great puzzle - don't know how much help I'm going to be in its solution, but I'm going to give it a solid effort. T Tina Norris Fields tinanfields at torchlake.com 231-322-2787 On 9/28/2011 7:08 AM, jwcolby wrote: > But... I have database records already in a database. This is not > about defining a solution for data that does not exist and I would > otherwise have to enter. This is about defining a solution for data > that I (and any other user) must enter into the database to use the > inmate pass program. > > *It is already in the database* > > This is about building a small program to do these calculations about > data that has and *is going to* accumulate in the course of doing > business. > > It appears that I am not able to get across to this list the fact that > the records already exist in a database. > > Forget that I am driving. *Just please forget that fact.* I never > said anything about actually driving these miles, being in a car or > anything else related to automobiles. > > Now... > > I have records in a database which have addresses in them. I need to > calculate driving distances between those addresses. > > Pleeeeeeaaaaaaase, I do not want nor do I need anything related to > logging miles driven in a car. > > I need a function which takes two addresses and hands back miles > between those points, actual miles that would be driven. > > BUT I AM NOT DRIVING THOSE MILES. The records are somehow just > magically (poof) appearing in a table! > > John W. Colby > www.ColbyConsulting.com > > On 9/27/2011 11:31 PM, Darryl Collins wrote: >> Can't add much value to your historical data issue John, but for your >> future >> records, well I guess it depends on how much effort and money you >> want to >> put into this. >> >> There are 'turnkey' solutions already out there for exactly this sort of >> reporting. These folks will report on miles / kilometres travelled >> and way >> much more for about $40 a month. >> >> <> >> >> It actually looks like a bit of over engineering for what you are >> after, but >> the concept is exactly what I am talking about. Let the GPS record the >> mileage for you and just download it to you PC. You might find the >> service >> above is worth the $40 per month for your needs. Dunno. Anyway, >> that seems >> a lot easier than stuffing around with tracking online maps etc >> >> Although the cheapest and best solution I would have thought was the one >> already suggested. Use a smart phone app, or better still, an old >> fashion >> paper log book. >> >> Cheers >> Darryl >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby >> Sent: Wednesday, 28 September 2011 12:36 PM >> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving >> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Calculating mileage >> >> > I would have thought a standard GPS unit would do this for you pretty >> much automatically >> >> Do what for me? A gps gets you from one place to another. I need >> code to >> calculate mileage between >> two points. >> >> I have a database of trips I have taken, hundreds of existing >> records. I >> need to calculate the >> mileage of those trips so that I can apply for a tax refund. >> >> Maybe I am missing something here. How is a a gps or a smart phone or a >> paper log going to help me >> get mileage calculations for existing and future data records in a >> database? >> >> John W. Colby >> www.ColbyConsulting.com >> >> On 9/27/2011 7:17 PM, Darryl Collins wrote: >>> I would have thought a standard GPS unit would do this for you >>> pretty much >>> automatically, although I have bugger all experience in this area. >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby >>> Sent: Tuesday, 27 September 2011 9:53 PM >>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving >>> Subject: [AccessD] Calculating mileage >>> >>> Before tax time I need to add a module to my inmate checkout to >>> calculate >>> mileage for all legs of a >>> trip with the inmates. The database contains records of where we go >>> - the >>> midpoints points - with >>> addresses, but the database does not have my start / end point (home). >>> >>> 1) Home to prison >>> 2) Prison to first destination in the db >>> 3) First destination to second destination (if any) >>> 4) Second destination to third destination (if any) >>> 5) Last destination to prison >>> 6) Prison to home >>> >>> I thought I would try to use Microsoft Streets and trips to do the >> mapping, >>> though I am open to >>> using Google Maps if there is a programming interface available to >>> the VBA >>> language. >>> >>> I could of course manually enter the trips into Streets and trips, >>> get the >>> mileage and build a table >>> of all the "legs" that I have ever done but that is error prone and >>> forces >>> me to do the whole thing >>> manually. Also this is in use by other people so it would be nice to >> build >>> a module that would also >>> calculate their legs, which I certainly do not want to do myself >>> manually. >>> >>> If for tax purposes I just assume that we always start from home and >>> end >> at >>> home I could use >>> something like Streets and trips (which I have) to calculate all of >>> these >>> legs for each trip and >>> place them in a table. At tax time I then have a mileage log for >>> the IRS. >>> >>> I have never used Streets and Trips for this purpose. I do know >>> that it >> has >>> an API and VBA >>> available for it. If anyone uses it for this purpose and has a library >> (or >>> a function) written to >>> do this that they would share that would be great. Or a web or help >>> resource for this. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Sun Oct 2 12:59:36 2011 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Sun, 02 Oct 2011 13:59:36 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Calculating mileage In-Reply-To: <4E888A82.80905@torchlake.com> References: <4E81B916.70601@colbyconsulting.com> <4E888A82.80905@torchlake.com> Message-ID: <4E88A688.1040302@colbyconsulting.com> And in your case, a widget that automatically entered a record in your cell phone as you leave your driveway would be super cool. John W. Colby Colby Consulting On 10/2/2011 12:00 PM, Tina Norris Fields wrote: > Well, I am obviously very old-fashioned. I keep a log in the car and record all my trips - > everything. So, the record is already there. Only as I'm preparing the tax return do I enter the > data into a spreadsheet so I can accurately calculate my personal and business miles. > T > > Tina Norris Fields > tinanfields at torchlake.com > 231-322-2787 > > > On 9/27/2011 7:52 AM, jwcolby wrote: >> Before tax time I need to add a module to my inmate checkout to calculate mileage for all legs of >> a trip with the inmates. The database contains records of where we go - the midpoints points - >> with addresses, but the database does not have my start / end point (home). >> >> 1) Home to prison >> 2) Prison to first destination in the db >> 3) First destination to second destination (if any) >> 4) Second destination to third destination (if any) >> 5) Last destination to prison >> 6) Prison to home >> >> I thought I would try to use Microsoft Streets and trips to do the mapping, though I am open to >> using Google Maps if there is a programming interface available to the VBA language. >> >> I could of course manually enter the trips into Streets and trips, get the mileage and build a >> table of all the "legs" that I have ever done but that is error prone and forces me to do the >> whole thing manually. Also this is in use by other people so it would be nice to build a module >> that would also calculate their legs, which I certainly do not want to do myself manually. >> >> If for tax purposes I just assume that we always start from home and end at home I could use >> something like Streets and trips (which I have) to calculate all of these legs for each trip and >> place them in a table. At tax time I then have a mileage log for the IRS. >> >> I have never used Streets and Trips for this purpose. I do know that it has an API and VBA >> available for it. If anyone uses it for this purpose and has a library (or a function) written to >> do this that they would share that would be great. Or a web or help resource for this. >> >> Thanks, >> From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Sun Oct 2 13:03:29 2011 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Sun, 02 Oct 2011 14:03:29 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Calculating mileage In-Reply-To: <4E888C9D.2080005@torchlake.com> References: <4E81B916.70601@colbyconsulting.com> <000701cc7d6b$a78c1550$f6a43ff0$@com.au> <4E8287F3.2000201@colbyconsulting.com><002201cc7d8f$25cae130$7160a390$@com.au> <4E830013.2020403@colbyconsulting.com> <4E888C9D.2080005@torchlake.com> Message-ID: <4E88A771.3010509@colbyconsulting.com> >Do the records in your database have any connection at all to the odometer readings? They would if I were to notice. The thing to remember is that the database is used by potentially many different people. I know where they live because they enter their address into the database. I know the prison address where they pick up the inmates. Everything after that is just "calc distance from A to B". > It's not yet clear to me how to get your addresses out of the database and into the mapping program, but, there's got to be a way. Microsoft's map program has VBA behind it and an API. I will be using that. John W. Colby Colby Consulting On 10/2/2011 12:09 PM, Tina Norris Fields wrote: > Dear John, > > I love it! Do the records in your database have any connection at all to the odometer readings? > (Probably not.) So, you need a way to calculate travel distances between physical addresses. I t > would seem that a mapping program of some sort would provide the solution - just as Google Maps and > MapQuest tell you how far it is from home to the VA hospital in Ann Arbor, for instance. > > It's not yet clear to me how to get your addresses out of the database and into the mapping program, > but, there's got to be a way. Thanks for a great puzzle - don't know how much help I'm going to be > in its solution, but I'm going to give it a solid effort. > > T > > Tina Norris Fields > tinanfields at torchlake.com > 231-322-2787 > > > On 9/28/2011 7:08 AM, jwcolby wrote: >> But... I have database records already in a database. This is not about defining a solution for >> data that does not exist and I would otherwise have to enter. This is about defining a solution >> for data that I (and any other user) must enter into the database to use the inmate pass program. >> >> *It is already in the database* >> >> This is about building a small program to do these calculations about data that has and *is going >> to* accumulate in the course of doing business. >> >> It appears that I am not able to get across to this list the fact that the records already exist >> in a database. >> >> Forget that I am driving. *Just please forget that fact.* I never said anything about actually >> driving these miles, being in a car or anything else related to automobiles. >> >> Now... >> >> I have records in a database which have addresses in them. I need to calculate driving distances >> between those addresses. >> >> Pleeeeeeaaaaaaase, I do not want nor do I need anything related to logging miles driven in a car. >> >> I need a function which takes two addresses and hands back miles between those points, actual >> miles that would be driven. >> >> BUT I AM NOT DRIVING THOSE MILES. The records are somehow just magically (poof) appearing in a table! >> >> John W. Colby >> www.ColbyConsulting.com >> >> On 9/27/2011 11:31 PM, Darryl Collins wrote: >>> Can't add much value to your historical data issue John, but for your future >>> records, well I guess it depends on how much effort and money you want to >>> put into this. >>> >>> There are 'turnkey' solutions already out there for exactly this sort of >>> reporting. These folks will report on miles / kilometres travelled and way >>> much more for about $40 a month. >>> >>> <> >>> >>> It actually looks like a bit of over engineering for what you are after, but >>> the concept is exactly what I am talking about. Let the GPS record the >>> mileage for you and just download it to you PC. You might find the service >>> above is worth the $40 per month for your needs. Dunno. Anyway, that seems >>> a lot easier than stuffing around with tracking online maps etc >>> >>> Although the cheapest and best solution I would have thought was the one >>> already suggested. Use a smart phone app, or better still, an old fashion >>> paper log book. >>> >>> Cheers >>> Darryl >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby >>> Sent: Wednesday, 28 September 2011 12:36 PM >>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving >>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Calculating mileage >>> >>> > I would have thought a standard GPS unit would do this for you pretty >>> much automatically >>> >>> Do what for me? A gps gets you from one place to another. I need code to >>> calculate mileage between >>> two points. >>> >>> I have a database of trips I have taken, hundreds of existing records. I >>> need to calculate the >>> mileage of those trips so that I can apply for a tax refund. >>> >>> Maybe I am missing something here. How is a a gps or a smart phone or a >>> paper log going to help me >>> get mileage calculations for existing and future data records in a database? >>> >>> John W. Colby >>> www.ColbyConsulting.com >>> >>> On 9/27/2011 7:17 PM, Darryl Collins wrote: >>>> I would have thought a standard GPS unit would do this for you pretty much >>>> automatically, although I have bugger all experience in this area. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >>>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby >>>> Sent: Tuesday, 27 September 2011 9:53 PM >>>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving >>>> Subject: [AccessD] Calculating mileage >>>> >>>> Before tax time I need to add a module to my inmate checkout to calculate >>>> mileage for all legs of a >>>> trip with the inmates. The database contains records of where we go - the >>>> midpoints points - with >>>> addresses, but the database does not have my start / end point (home). >>>> >>>> 1) Home to prison >>>> 2) Prison to first destination in the db >>>> 3) First destination to second destination (if any) >>>> 4) Second destination to third destination (if any) >>>> 5) Last destination to prison >>>> 6) Prison to home >>>> >>>> I thought I would try to use Microsoft Streets and trips to do the >>> mapping, >>>> though I am open to >>>> using Google Maps if there is a programming interface available to the VBA >>>> language. >>>> >>>> I could of course manually enter the trips into Streets and trips, get the >>>> mileage and build a table >>>> of all the "legs" that I have ever done but that is error prone and forces >>>> me to do the whole thing >>>> manually. Also this is in use by other people so it would be nice to >>> build >>>> a module that would also >>>> calculate their legs, which I certainly do not want to do myself manually. >>>> >>>> If for tax purposes I just assume that we always start from home and end >>> at >>>> home I could use >>>> something like Streets and trips (which I have) to calculate all of these >>>> legs for each trip and >>>> place them in a table. At tax time I then have a mileage log for the IRS. >>>> >>>> I have never used Streets and Trips for this purpose. I do know that it >>> has >>>> an API and VBA >>>> available for it. If anyone uses it for this purpose and has a library >>> (or >>>> a function) written to >>>> do this that they would share that would be great. Or a web or help >>>> resource for this. >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Sun Oct 2 13:06:47 2011 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Sun, 02 Oct 2011 14:06:47 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Geek to Live: Secure your saved passwords in Firefox In-Reply-To: <4E888972.2070800@torchlake.com> References: <4E863B87.4080302@colbyconsulting.com> <4E888972.2070800@torchlake.com> Message-ID: <4E88A837.5010105@colbyconsulting.com> Apparently Firefox encrypts them using a common encryption algorithm and a master password you supply. Then the first time that you go to a web page where you need to log in (and have a saved password), Firefox asks you for your master password. Using that it decrypts the passwords and supplies the username / password for that web page. I am using that now for firefox. Of course I also just switched to Chrome... John W. Colby Colby Consulting On 10/2/2011 11:55 AM, Tina Norris Fields wrote: > Aha! Next question is: How easy would it be for a hacker to get the Firefox saved passwords? > T > > Tina Norris Fields > tinanfields at torchlake.com > 231-322-2787 > > > On 9/30/2011 5:58 PM, jwcolby wrote: >> http://lifehacker.com/154099/geek-to-live--secure-your-saved-passwords-in-firefox >> >> jwcolby From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Sun Oct 2 16:04:03 2011 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Mon, 03 Oct 2011 07:04:03 +1000 Subject: [AccessD] Geek to Live: Secure your saved passwords in Firefox In-Reply-To: <4E88A837.5010105@colbyconsulting.com> References: <4E863B87.4080302@colbyconsulting.com>, <4E888972.2070800@torchlake.com>, <4E88A837.5010105@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <4E88D1C3.113.947AD5F@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> But I'd bet that the majority of people who have passwords saved in FF have never set a master passwod. -- Stuart On 2 Oct 2011 at 14:06, jwcolby wrote: > Apparently Firefox encrypts them using a common encryption algorithm > and a master password you supply. Then the first time that you go to > a web page where you need to log in (and have a saved password), > Firefox asks you for your master password. Using that it decrypts the > passwords and supplies the username / password for that web page. > > I am using that now for firefox. Of course I also just switched to > Chrome... > > John W. Colby > Colby Consulting > > On 10/2/2011 11:55 AM, Tina Norris Fields wrote: > > Aha! Next question is: How easy would it be for a hacker to get the > > Firefox saved passwords? T > > > > Tina Norris Fields > > tinanfields at torchlake.com > > 231-322-2787 > > > > > > On 9/30/2011 5:58 PM, jwcolby wrote: > >> http://lifehacker.com/154099/geek-to-live--secure-your-saved-passwo > >> rds-in-firefox > >> > >> jwcolby > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From steve at goodhall.info Sun Oct 2 16:12:39 2011 From: steve at goodhall.info (Steve Goodhall) Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2011 17:12:39 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Geek to Live: Secure your saved passwords in Firefox In-Reply-To: <4E88D1C3.113.947AD5F@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: <4E863B87.4080302@colbyconsulting.com>, <4E888972.2070800@torchlake.com>, <4E88A837.5010105@colbyconsulting.com> <4E88D1C3.113.947AD5F@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <02287c2b-d3ef-4bce-8f86-b0f15c45c5e2@blur> My cable company / ISP provides Norton security for free. It has a similar feature that I use. It doesn't give you a choice about the master password. Steve Goodhall, MSCS, PMP Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone -----Original message----- From: Stuart McLachlan To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Sent: Sun, Oct 2, 2011 21:05:27 GMT+00:00 Subject: Re: [AccessD] Geek to Live: Secure your saved passwords in Firefox But I'd bet that the majority of people who have passwords saved in FF have never set a master passwod. -- Stuart On 2 Oct 2011 at 14:06, jwcolby wrote: > Apparently Firefox encrypts them using a common encryption algorithm > and a master password you supply. Then the first time that you go to > a web page where you need to log in (and have a saved password), > Firefox asks you for your master password. Using that it decrypts the > passwords and supplies the username / password for that web page. > > I am using that now for firefox. Of course I also just switched to > Chrome... > > John W. Colby > Colby Consulting > > On 10/2/2011 11:55 AM, Tina Norris Fields wrote: > > Aha! Next question is: How easy would it be for a hacker to get the > > Firefox saved passwords? T > > > > Tina Norris Fields > > tinanfields at torchlake.com > > 231-322-2787 > > > > > > On 9/30/2011 5:58 PM, jwcolby wrote: > >> http://lifehacker.com/154099/geek-to-live--secure-your-saved-passwo > >> rds-in-firefox > >> > >> jwcolby > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Sun Oct 2 17:46:51 2011 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Sun, 02 Oct 2011 18:46:51 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Geek to Live: Secure your saved passwords in Firefox In-Reply-To: <4E88D1C3.113.947AD5F@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: <4E863B87.4080302@colbyconsulting.com>, <4E888972.2070800@torchlake.com>, <4E88A837.5010105@colbyconsulting.com> <4E88D1C3.113.947AD5F@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <4E88E9DB.1080000@colbyconsulting.com> I never had, which is why I posted here when I discovered it. John W. Colby Colby Consulting On 10/2/2011 5:04 PM, Stuart McLachlan wrote: > But I'd bet that the majority of people who have passwords saved in FF have never set a > master passwod. > From marksimms at verizon.net Sun Oct 2 23:22:34 2011 From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms) Date: Mon, 03 Oct 2011 00:22:34 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] 2001 Error - You cancelled the previous operation Message-ID: <000a01cc8184$13da1fb0$3b8e5f10$@net> After hours and hours of testing this, I came to the conclusion that unless I trap the vbKeyEscape in the KeyDown event handler, I am unable to add a new record to a form after an undo has occurred. I get this dreaded 2001 error which appears to be a misleading one. It appears that an UnDo condition throws the form into a tizzy-state. Any method of attempting to add a new record after an undo has occurred either with a RunCommand GotoRecord acNewrec directive or trying to do an AddNew and Bookmark ... all fail. When I kill the escape key, all is well..but of course, my users are mad.they cannot undo the record. Unless I'm missing something , this is definitely a bug, no ? From vbacreations at gmail.com Sun Oct 2 23:31:20 2011 From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson (VBACreations.Com)) Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2011 00:31:20 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] 2001 Error - You cancelled the previous operation In-Reply-To: <000a01cc8184$13da1fb0$3b8e5f10$@net> References: <000a01cc8184$13da1fb0$3b8e5f10$@net> Message-ID: <001201cc8185$4d32a560$e797f020$@gmail.com> I never let Access Add New, I always use unbound controls, and validate field by field, and then use SQL and refresh the form... and I don't have these problems ;-) -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Simms Sent: Monday, October 03, 2011 12:23 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: [AccessD] 2001 Error - You cancelled the previous operation After hours and hours of testing this, I came to the conclusion that unless I trap the vbKeyEscape in the KeyDown event handler, I am unable to add a new record to a form after an undo has occurred. I get this dreaded 2001 error which appears to be a misleading one. It appears that an UnDo condition throws the form into a tizzy-state. Any method of attempting to add a new record after an undo has occurred either with a RunCommand GotoRecord acNewrec directive or trying to do an AddNew and Bookmark ... all fail. When I kill the escape key, all is well..but of course, my users are mad.they cannot undo the record. Unless I'm missing something , this is definitely a bug, no ? -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Sun Oct 2 23:50:39 2011 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Mon, 03 Oct 2011 14:50:39 +1000 Subject: [AccessD] 2001 Error - You cancelled the previous operation In-Reply-To: <001201cc8185$4d32a560$e797f020$@gmail.com> References: <000a01cc8184$13da1fb0$3b8e5f10$@net>, <001201cc8185$4d32a560$e797f020$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4E893F1F.8706.AF2DF11@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> R,DFC -- Stuart On 3 Oct 2011 at 0:31, William Benson (VBACreations. wrote: > I never let Access Add New, I always use unbound controls, and > validate field by field, and then use SQL and refresh the form... and > I don't have these problems ;-) > From vbacreations at gmail.com Mon Oct 3 00:02:06 2011 From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson) Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2011 01:02:06 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] 2001 Error - You cancelled the previous operation In-Reply-To: <4E893F1F.8706.AF2DF11@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: <000a01cc8184$13da1fb0$3b8e5f10$@net> <001201cc8185$4d32a560$e797f020$@gmail.com> <4E893F1F.8706.AF2DF11@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: Registered Democrat for Clinton? What's that stand for? On Oct 3, 2011 12:52 AM, "Stuart McLachlan" wrote: > R,DFC > > -- > Stuart > > On 3 Oct 2011 at 0:31, William Benson (VBACreations. wrote: > >> I never let Access Add New, I always use unbound controls, and >> validate field by field, and then use SQL and refresh the form... and >> I don't have these problems ;-) >> > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au Mon Oct 3 00:13:18 2011 From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins) Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2011 16:13:18 +1100 Subject: [AccessD] 2001 Error - You cancelled the previous operation In-Reply-To: References: <000a01cc8184$13da1fb0$3b8e5f10$@net> <001201cc8185$4d32a560$e797f020$@gmail.com> <4E893F1F.8706.AF2DF11@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <003d01cc818b$2a166610$7e433230$@com.au> Heh, Getting late in the Day in PNG and probably hot too. I reckon Stuart has been drinking that special juice they whip up in that jungle! ;) Glad you asked, I was thinking the same thing! -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Benson Sent: Monday, 3 October 2011 4:02 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] 2001 Error - You cancelled the previous operation Registered Democrat for Clinton? What's that stand for? On Oct 3, 2011 12:52 AM, "Stuart McLachlan" wrote: > R,DFC > > -- > Stuart > > On 3 Oct 2011 at 0:31, William Benson (VBACreations. wrote: > >> I never let Access Add New, I always use unbound controls, and >> validate field by field, and then use SQL and refresh the form... and >> I don't have these problems ;-) >> > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From vbacreations at gmail.com Mon Oct 3 00:22:29 2011 From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson) Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2011 01:22:29 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] 2001 Error - You cancelled the previous operation In-Reply-To: <003d01cc818b$2a166610$7e433230$@com.au> References: <000a01cc8184$13da1fb0$3b8e5f10$@net> <001201cc8185$4d32a560$e797f020$@gmail.com> <4E893F1F.8706.AF2DF11@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <003d01cc818b$2a166610$7e433230$@com.au> Message-ID: The definition I got from urban dictionary is quite offensive so I hope it's not that. On Oct 3, 2011 1:14 AM, "Darryl Collins" wrote: > > Heh, Getting late in the Day in PNG and probably hot too. I reckon Stuart > has been drinking that special juice they whip up in that jungle! ;) > Glad you asked, I was thinking the same thing! > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Benson > Sent: Monday, 3 October 2011 4:02 PM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] 2001 Error - You cancelled the previous operation > > Registered Democrat for Clinton? What's that stand for? > On Oct 3, 2011 12:52 AM, "Stuart McLachlan" wrote: >> R,DFC >> >> -- >> Stuart >> >> On 3 Oct 2011 at 0:31, William Benson (VBACreations. wrote: >> >>> I never let Access Add New, I always use unbound controls, and >>> validate field by field, and then use SQL and refresh the form... and >>> I don't have these problems ;-) >>> >> >> >> -- >> AccessD mailing list >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Mon Oct 3 00:32:00 2011 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Mon, 03 Oct 2011 15:32:00 +1000 Subject: [AccessD] 2001 Error - You cancelled the previous operation In-Reply-To: References: <000a01cc8184$13da1fb0$3b8e5f10$@net>, <4E893F1F.8706.AF2DF11@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>, Message-ID: <4E8948D0.11458.B18B9C7@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Runs, ducking for cover. I'm not going to just sit around waiting for the "bounders" to stick their heads over the parapet :-) -- Stuart On 3 Oct 2011 at 1:02, William Benson wrote: > Registered Democrat for Clinton? What's that stand for? > On Oct 3, 2011 12:52 AM, "Stuart McLachlan" > wrote: > R,DFC > > -- > Stuart > > On 3 Oct 2011 at 0:31, William > Benson (VBACreations. wrote: > >> I never let Access Add New, I always > use unbound controls, and >> validate field by field, and then use SQL > and refresh the form... and >> I don't have these problems ;-) >> > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: > http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From vbacreations at gmail.com Mon Oct 3 00:51:59 2011 From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson) Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2011 01:51:59 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] 2001 Error - You cancelled the previous operation In-Reply-To: <4E8948D0.11458.B18B9C7@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: <000a01cc8184$13da1fb0$3b8e5f10$@net> <4E893F1F.8706.AF2DF11@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <4E8948D0.11458.B18B9C7@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: You think my post at this hour on a Sunday night wasn't strategic? It was only in jest, I mostly don't code for transaction based user activity I code for special functional requirements. On Oct 3, 2011 1:33 AM, "Stuart McLachlan" wrote: > Runs, ducking for cover. > > I'm not going to just sit around waiting for the "bounders" to stick their heads over the parapet > :-) > > -- > Stuart > > On 3 Oct 2011 at 1:02, William Benson wrote: > >> Registered Democrat for Clinton? What's that stand for? > > >> On Oct 3, 2011 12:52 AM, "Stuart McLachlan" >> wrote: > R,DFC > > -- > Stuart > > On 3 Oct 2011 at 0:31, William >> Benson (VBACreations. wrote: > >> I never let Access Add New, I always >> use unbound controls, and >> validate field by field, and then use SQL >> and refresh the form... and >> I don't have these problems ;-) >> > > >> > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: >> http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: >> http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au Mon Oct 3 00:52:45 2011 From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins) Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2011 16:52:45 +1100 Subject: [AccessD] 2001 Error - You cancelled the previous operation In-Reply-To: <4E8948D0.11458.B18B9C7@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: <000a01cc8184$13da1fb0$3b8e5f10$@net>, <4E893F1F.8706.AF2DF11@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>, <4E8948D0.11458.B18B9C7@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <003e01cc8190$acfa2490$06ee6db0$@com.au> HAHAHA, Yeah, great plan. Let's get stuck into them whilst they are all asleep!! Unbound rocks! Unbound is the best and we all know it ;) Aaah, tomorrow's inbox might be, ummm, interesting... Cheers Darryl. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan Sent: Monday, 3 October 2011 4:32 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] 2001 Error - You cancelled the previous operation Runs, ducking for cover. I'm not going to just sit around waiting for the "bounders" to stick their heads over the parapet :-) -- Stuart On 3 Oct 2011 at 1:02, William Benson wrote: > Registered Democrat for Clinton? What's that stand for? > On Oct 3, 2011 12:52 AM, "Stuart McLachlan" > wrote: > R,DFC > > -- > Stuart > > On 3 Oct 2011 at 0:31, William > Benson (VBACreations. wrote: > >> I never let Access Add New, I always > use unbound controls, and >> validate field by field, and then use SQL > and refresh the form... and >> I don't have these problems ;-) >> > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: > http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Mon Oct 3 00:59:09 2011 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Mon, 03 Oct 2011 15:59:09 +1000 Subject: [AccessD] 2001 Error - You cancelled the previous operation In-Reply-To: References: <000a01cc8184$13da1fb0$3b8e5f10$@net>, <4E8948D0.11458.B18B9C7@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>, Message-ID: <4E894F2D.30374.B31967F@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> It's late Monday afternoon for me and Darryl! -- Stuart On 3 Oct 2011 at 1:51, William Benson wrote: > You think my post at this hour on a Sunday night wasn't strategic? From adtp at airtelmail.in Mon Oct 3 06:40:02 2011 From: adtp at airtelmail.in (A.D. Tejpal) Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2011 17:10:02 +0530 Subject: [AccessD] 2001 Error - You cancelled the previous operation References: <000a01cc8184$13da1fb0$3b8e5f10$@net> Message-ID: <663E55F820A34BBE9D3860641594DD95@personal4a8ede> Mark, Could you please furnish the complete code in form's module? Best wishes, A.D. Tejpal ------------ ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark Simms To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Sent: Monday, October 03, 2011 09:52 Subject: [AccessD] 2001 Error - You cancelled the previous operation After hours and hours of testing this, I came to the conclusion that unless I trap the vbKeyEscape in the KeyDown event handler, I am unable to add a new record to a form after an undo has occurred. I get this dreaded 2001 error which appears to be a misleading one. It appears that an UnDo condition throws the form into a tizzy-state. Any method of attempting to add a new record after an undo has occurred either with a RunCommand GotoRecord acNewrec directive or trying to do an AddNew and Bookmark ... all fail. When I kill the escape key, all is well..but of course, my users are mad.they cannot undo the record. Unless I'm missing something , this is definitely a bug, no ? From jimdettman at verizon.net Mon Oct 3 08:04:43 2011 From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman) Date: Mon, 03 Oct 2011 09:04:43 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] 2001 Error - You cancelled the previous operation In-Reply-To: <001201cc8185$4d32a560$e797f020$@gmail.com> References: <000a01cc8184$13da1fb0$3b8e5f10$@net> <001201cc8185$4d32a560$e797f020$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <> Why are you bothering to use Access then? If your going to go through all that work, you might as well use something else that gives you more features and capabilities. Jim. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Benson (VBACreations.Com) Sent: Monday, October 03, 2011 12:31 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] 2001 Error - You cancelled the previous operation I never let Access Add New, I always use unbound controls, and validate field by field, and then use SQL and refresh the form... and I don't have these problems ;-) -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Simms Sent: Monday, October 03, 2011 12:23 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: [AccessD] 2001 Error - You cancelled the previous operation After hours and hours of testing this, I came to the conclusion that unless I trap the vbKeyEscape in the KeyDown event handler, I am unable to add a new record to a form after an undo has occurred. I get this dreaded 2001 error which appears to be a misleading one. It appears that an UnDo condition throws the form into a tizzy-state. Any method of attempting to add a new record after an undo has occurred either with a RunCommand GotoRecord acNewrec directive or trying to do an AddNew and Bookmark ... all fail. When I kill the escape key, all is well..but of course, my users are mad.they cannot undo the record. Unless I'm missing something , this is definitely a bug, no ? -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From DWUTKA at Marlow.com Mon Oct 3 10:02:56 2011 From: DWUTKA at Marlow.com (Drew Wutka) Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2011 10:02:56 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Object or class does not support the set of events In-Reply-To: <4E871AC3.60604@colbyconsulting.com> References: <4E871AC3.60604@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: John, there are several known causes of this issue. One in particular, in relation to Windows 7 and different versions of Access, is that Office 2003 is not being allowed to tweak some registry settings when it boots, after a different version was running. Someone already mentioned, with the system setups you have, you should just stick to one version of Office per machine, will make life easier.... Drew -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2011 8:51 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: [AccessD] Object or class does not support the set of events Holy cow man things just get worse and worse. In lookingup the error message in the subject I found something about having Access "run as administrator". Somehow I found and set that and now *everything* is broken. As I open Access it does the UAC thing (screen dims and asks if i want to allow the application to make changes), then Access tries to open and gives me a "There was a problem sending the command to the program.", then Access does in fact open. What have I done and how do I undo it? I cannot seem to find my back to where I set that property. Will a restore point get rid of this crap? I have billing to get done and I am broken. I have spent two hours on just this stuff and I am now further from a solution than when I started. @#$&*&*^&)(*_)(*)&*%&^#%$#!%*()&_)*_)*(!!!!! -- John W. Colby Colby Consulting -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com The information contained in this transmission is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain II-VI Proprietary and/or II-VI Business Sensitive material. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender immediately and destroy the material in its entirety, whether electronic or hard copy. You are notified that any review, retransmission, copying, disclosure, dissemination, or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. From DWUTKA at Marlow.com Mon Oct 3 10:07:54 2011 From: DWUTKA at Marlow.com (Drew Wutka) Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2011 10:07:54 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] The windows 7 upgrade experience In-Reply-To: <4E870973.3040301@colbyconsulting.com> References: <4E870973.3040301@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: There ya go! Way to stay cutting edge.... Windows 8 is almost out! ;) (Just ribbing ya a bit JWC) Drew -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2011 7:37 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: [AccessD] The windows 7 upgrade experience I moved my 3 year old Dell M90 laptop to Windows. I purchased the Seagate Momentus XT hybrid drive (it has an SSD cache) and did a clean install of Windows 7 and started the migration. So much fun. I also installed Office 2003 and then Office 2010. Now, even though 2003 is the default when I double click an access database, if I right click in a directory and tell it to create a new database, it creates an Access 2010 database. Does anyone know where that property is stored / changed? Windows is soooooo much fun. I have to say I like Windows 7 much better than Vista. I realize it is really just Vista Service Pack 57 but it still just seems to work better. And I really like the combination of the Seagate XT drive and Windows 7 (clean install). So far it is booting to the logon in just a few seconds and from there to a usable desktop in just a few more seconds. And yea, I know that it may not stay that way after installing / uninstalling a jillion things. But for today it feels like a brand new computer. jwcolby Colby Consulting -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com The information contained in this transmission is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain II-VI Proprietary and/or II-VI Business Sensitive material. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender immediately and destroy the material in its entirety, whether electronic or hard copy. You are notified that any review, retransmission, copying, disclosure, dissemination, or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Mon Oct 3 10:44:53 2011 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Mon, 03 Oct 2011 11:44:53 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] 2001 Error - You cancelled the previous operation In-Reply-To: References: <000a01cc8184$13da1fb0$3b8e5f10$@net> <001201cc8185$4d32a560$e797f020$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4E89D875.3010005@colbyconsulting.com> ROTFL. So true, like C#. John W. Colby Colby Consulting On 10/3/2011 9:04 AM, Jim Dettman wrote: > < field by field, and then use SQL and refresh the form...>> > > Why are you bothering to use Access then? If your going to go through all > that work, you might as well use something else that gives you more features > and capabilities. > > Jim. > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Benson > (VBACreations.Com) > Sent: Monday, October 03, 2011 12:31 AM > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > Subject: Re: [AccessD] 2001 Error - You cancelled the previous operation > > I never let Access Add New, I always use unbound controls, and validate > field by field, and then use SQL and refresh the form... and I don't have > these problems ;-) > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Simms > Sent: Monday, October 03, 2011 12:23 AM > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > Subject: [AccessD] 2001 Error - You cancelled the previous operation > > After hours and hours of testing this, I came to the conclusion that unless > I trap the vbKeyEscape in the KeyDown event handler, I am unable to add a > new record to a form after an undo has occurred. I get this dreaded 2001 > error which appears to be a misleading one. > > > > It appears that an UnDo condition throws the form into a tizzy-state. Any > method of attempting to add a new record after an undo has occurred either > with a RunCommand GotoRecord acNewrec directive or trying to do an AddNew > and Bookmark ... all fail. When I kill the escape key, all is well..but of > course, my users are mad.they cannot undo the record. > > > > Unless I'm missing something , this is definitely a bug, no ? > From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Mon Oct 3 10:50:18 2011 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Mon, 03 Oct 2011 11:50:18 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] The windows 7 upgrade experience In-Reply-To: References: <4E870973.3040301@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <4E89D9BA.4030602@colbyconsulting.com> > (Just ribbing ya a bit JWC) LOL. > There ya go! Way to stay cutting edge.... Windows 8 is almost out! ;) I read the other day "The end of an old technology is always way better than the beginning of a new technology" which is pretty much true. I am just getting in on the Windows 7 "end". It is service packed to death and running smoothly, and they will maintain it for many more years. It truly is (almost) an "XP experience" at this point. I actually kind of like it, whereas I hated Vista until the day I stopped using it. Just an FYI, this Seagate Momentus XT drive and Windows 7 is a wonderful experience so far. I had reached the point where I was seriously looking at replacing the laptop because it was so slow. Not any more! John W. Colby Colby Consulting On 10/3/2011 11:07 AM, Drew Wutka wrote: > There ya go! Way to stay cutting edge.... Windows 8 is almost out! ;) > > Drew From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Mon Oct 3 11:25:59 2011 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2011 09:25:59 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Delete Problem Message-ID: <384F09F2B2BC465E9C86D20DAF6D4C70@HAL9007> Dear List: I have a subform which has as its record source a query which joins an Account Receivable table to an account table: SELECT tblAccountsReceivable.fldARID, tblAccountsReceivable.fldAccountNumber, (*** bunch of other fields***) FROM tblAccountsReceivable LEFT JOIN tblAccounts ON tblAccountsReceivable.fldAccountNumber = tblAccounts.fldAccountNumber ORDER BY tblAccountsReceivable.fldARID; where Account Number is the PK of Accounts and the FK in AccountsReceivable. The subform is a continuous form showing the receivable records. When I select a record and hit the delete key the receivable record is deleted but also the Account from tblAccounts! I get the "You are about to delete..." warning message. No cascade delete. I can't understand why it would delete the account. The relationship in the query is one-to-many: one Account, many Accounts Receivable records. Any clues? I'm stumped. MTIA Rocky From dnod at aol.com Mon Oct 3 11:34:14 2011 From: dnod at aol.com (Dean) Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2011 12:34:14 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Delete Problem In-Reply-To: <384F09F2B2BC465E9C86D20DAF6D4C70@HAL9007> References: <384F09F2B2BC465E9C86D20DAF6D4C70@HAL9007> Message-ID: I think you may have answered your own question there. Your query is essentially a table of accounts, with the receivables pulled in. When you select a record to delete, you are selecting the account. I would rework that query, use the FK to to pull the account in as a lookup instead. Regards, Dean On Oct 3, 2011, at 12:25 PM, Rocky Smolin wrote: > Dear List: > > I have a subform which has as its record source a query which joins an > Account Receivable table to an account table: > > SELECT tblAccountsReceivable.fldARID, > tblAccountsReceivable.fldAccountNumber, (*** bunch of other fields***) FROM > tblAccountsReceivable LEFT JOIN tblAccounts ON > tblAccountsReceivable.fldAccountNumber = tblAccounts.fldAccountNumber > ORDER BY tblAccountsReceivable.fldARID; > > where Account Number is the PK of Accounts and the FK in AccountsReceivable. > > The subform is a continuous form showing the receivable records. When I > select a record and hit the delete key the receivable record is deleted but > also the Account from tblAccounts! > > I get the "You are about to delete..." warning message. > > No cascade delete. > > I can't understand why it would delete the account. The relationship in the > query is one-to-many: one Account, many Accounts Receivable records. > > Any clues? I'm stumped. > > MTIA > > Rocky > > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Mon Oct 3 11:45:00 2011 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2011 09:45:00 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Delete Problem In-Reply-To: References: <384F09F2B2BC465E9C86D20DAF6D4C70@HAL9007> Message-ID: <0843D0FBD16747CABAA4DD0E8C7908BF@HAL9007> Dean: Looks to me like it's a table of Accounts Receivable - the only field from tblAccounts I need is the account Name. No? fldName is the only field from tblAccounts in the query. Is there a way to rewrite the query so that it wouldn't delete the Account only the Receivable record? TIA Rocky -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dean Sent: Monday, October 03, 2011 9:34 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Delete Problem I think you may have answered your own question there. Your query is essentially a table of accounts, with the receivables pulled in. When you select a record to delete, you are selecting the account. I would rework that query, use the FK to to pull the account in as a lookup instead. Regards, Dean On Oct 3, 2011, at 12:25 PM, Rocky Smolin wrote: > Dear List: > > I have a subform which has as its record source a query which joins an > Account Receivable table to an account table: > > SELECT tblAccountsReceivable.fldARID, > tblAccountsReceivable.fldAccountNumber, (*** bunch of other fields***) > FROM tblAccountsReceivable LEFT JOIN tblAccounts ON > tblAccountsReceivable.fldAccountNumber = tblAccounts.fldAccountNumber > ORDER BY tblAccountsReceivable.fldARID; > > where Account Number is the PK of Accounts and the FK in AccountsReceivable. > > The subform is a continuous form showing the receivable records. When > I select a record and hit the delete key the receivable record is > deleted but also the Account from tblAccounts! > > I get the "You are about to delete..." warning message. > > No cascade delete. > > I can't understand why it would delete the account. The relationship > in the query is one-to-many: one Account, many Accounts Receivable records. > > Any clues? I'm stumped. > > MTIA > > Rocky > > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From dnod at aol.com Mon Oct 3 11:58:34 2011 From: dnod at aol.com (Dean) Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2011 12:58:34 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Delete Problem In-Reply-To: <0843D0FBD16747CABAA4DD0E8C7908BF@HAL9007> References: <384F09F2B2BC465E9C86D20DAF6D4C70@HAL9007> <0843D0FBD16747CABAA4DD0E8C7908BF@HAL9007> Message-ID: <1A87C5AF-D40D-4D0C-BB27-8CF4A19B9A1E@aol.com> well, pardon me for jumping to conclusions. on further inspections it is more like what I suggested than what I thought I saw. I assume you parent form has the accounts table PK. Are you sure you are initiating delete from the subform? You may be calling delete on the main form. I would trap that and disallow any uncontrolled processes by running all actions through the CBF. This way you provide your own, more meaningful warning message, verify and run an action query of your own. Regards, Dean On Oct 3, 2011, at 12:45 PM, Rocky Smolin wrote: > Dean: > > Looks to me like it's a table of Accounts Receivable - the only field from > tblAccounts I need is the account Name. No? fldName is the only field from > tblAccounts in the query. > > Is there a way to rewrite the query so that it wouldn't delete the Account > only the Receivable record? > > TIA > > Rocky > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dean > Sent: Monday, October 03, 2011 9:34 AM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Delete Problem > > I think you may have answered your own question there. Your query is > essentially a table of accounts, with the receivables pulled in. When you > select a record to delete, you are selecting the account. I would rework > that query, use the FK to to pull the account in as a lookup instead. > > Regards, Dean > > > On Oct 3, 2011, at 12:25 PM, Rocky Smolin wrote: > >> Dear List: >> >> I have a subform which has as its record source a query which joins an >> Account Receivable table to an account table: >> >> SELECT tblAccountsReceivable.fldARID, >> tblAccountsReceivable.fldAccountNumber, (*** bunch of other fields***) >> FROM tblAccountsReceivable LEFT JOIN tblAccounts ON >> tblAccountsReceivable.fldAccountNumber = tblAccounts.fldAccountNumber >> ORDER BY tblAccountsReceivable.fldARID; >> >> where Account Number is the PK of Accounts and the FK in > AccountsReceivable. >> >> The subform is a continuous form showing the receivable records. When >> I select a record and hit the delete key the receivable record is >> deleted but also the Account from tblAccounts! >> >> I get the "You are about to delete..." warning message. >> >> No cascade delete. >> >> I can't understand why it would delete the account. The relationship >> in the query is one-to-many: one Account, many Accounts Receivable > records. >> >> Any clues? I'm stumped. >> >> MTIA >> >> Rocky >> >> >> >> >> -- >> AccessD mailing list >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From marksimms at verizon.net Mon Oct 3 12:07:41 2011 From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms) Date: Mon, 03 Oct 2011 13:07:41 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] 2001 Error - You cancelled the previous operation In-Reply-To: <663E55F820A34BBE9D3860641594DD95@personal4a8ede> References: <000a01cc8184$13da1fb0$3b8e5f10$@net> <663E55F820A34BBE9D3860641594DD95@personal4a8ede> Message-ID: <009e01cc81ee$f67b5860$e3720920$@net> After sleeping on this (and I swear I solve all of my difficult problems this way).... The answer was obvious: Me.Requery right after the Undo. Heck, why was that ? Simple: There are few other form level methods to use anyway !! Is it a good solution: Absolutely not. I now have to remember the record number prior to the Add, and then navigate back to it. That being said, I still could not put the datasheet portion of the form back to it's original set of records as there is no way of insuring the first record in the scrolled list appears as #1 in the list. Instead, the remembered record number shows up as the first in the list. I need a Screen.Activesheet.FirstRecord settable property. All in all: It was definitely a bug.....tested in AC2010 - orig release, using a SplitForm. I'll bet it's still in AC2007-SP2. > Mark, > > Could you please furnish the complete code in form's module? > > Best wishes, > A.D. Tejpal From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Mon Oct 3 12:10:44 2011 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2011 10:10:44 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Delete Problem In-Reply-To: <1A87C5AF-D40D-4D0C-BB27-8CF4A19B9A1E@aol.com> References: <384F09F2B2BC465E9C86D20DAF6D4C70@HAL9007><0843D0FBD16747CABAA4DD0E8C7908BF@HAL9007> <1A87C5AF-D40D-4D0C-BB27-8CF4A19B9A1E@aol.com> Message-ID: Dean: Actually, the main form has no record source. It just holds the subform (among other things.). SO I am initiating the delete from the subform. So the accounts table is only in the record source of the subform. Regards, Rocky -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dean Sent: Monday, October 03, 2011 9:59 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Delete Problem well, pardon me for jumping to conclusions. on further inspections it is more like what I suggested than what I thought I saw. I assume you parent form has the accounts table PK. Are you sure you are initiating delete from the subform? You may be calling delete on the main form. I would trap that and disallow any uncontrolled processes by running all actions through the CBF. This way you provide your own, more meaningful warning message, verify and run an action query of your own. Regards, Dean On Oct 3, 2011, at 12:45 PM, Rocky Smolin wrote: > Dean: > > Looks to me like it's a table of Accounts Receivable - the only field > from tblAccounts I need is the account Name. No? fldName is the only > field from tblAccounts in the query. > > Is there a way to rewrite the query so that it wouldn't delete the > Account only the Receivable record? > > TIA > > Rocky > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dean > Sent: Monday, October 03, 2011 9:34 AM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Delete Problem > > I think you may have answered your own question there. Your query is > essentially a table of accounts, with the receivables pulled in. When > you select a record to delete, you are selecting the account. I would > rework that query, use the FK to to pull the account in as a lookup instead. > > Regards, Dean > > > On Oct 3, 2011, at 12:25 PM, Rocky Smolin wrote: > >> Dear List: >> >> I have a subform which has as its record source a query which joins >> an Account Receivable table to an account table: >> >> SELECT tblAccountsReceivable.fldARID, >> tblAccountsReceivable.fldAccountNumber, (*** bunch of other >> fields***) FROM tblAccountsReceivable LEFT JOIN tblAccounts ON >> tblAccountsReceivable.fldAccountNumber = tblAccounts.fldAccountNumber >> ORDER BY tblAccountsReceivable.fldARID; >> >> where Account Number is the PK of Accounts and the FK in > AccountsReceivable. >> >> The subform is a continuous form showing the receivable records. >> When I select a record and hit the delete key the receivable record >> is deleted but also the Account from tblAccounts! >> >> I get the "You are about to delete..." warning message. >> >> No cascade delete. >> >> I can't understand why it would delete the account. The relationship >> in the query is one-to-many: one Account, many Accounts Receivable > records. >> >> Any clues? I'm stumped. >> >> MTIA >> >> Rocky >> >> >> >> >> -- >> AccessD mailing list >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Mon Oct 3 12:21:32 2011 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2011 10:21:32 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Delete Problem In-Reply-To: References: <384F09F2B2BC465E9C86D20DAF6D4C70@HAL9007><0843D0FBD16747CABAA4DD0E8C7908BF@HAL9007><1A87C5AF-D40D-4D0C-BB27-8CF4A19B9A1E@aol.com> Message-ID: <557560D014D144479B9B64408999739A@HAL9007> OK, I worked around the problem by putting a delete button on the main form and using: Private Sub cmdDelete_Click() intReply = MsgBox("Are you certain you want to delete this Receivable record?", vbYesNo) If intReply = vbNo Then Exit Sub Set db = CurrentDb db.Execute "Delete * FROM tblAccountsReceivable WHERE fldARID = " & Me.subfrmAccountsReceivable!fldARID db.Close Me.subfrmAccountsReceivable.Requery End Sub And setting AllowDeletions on the subform to false But it's still a mystery. Rocky -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: Monday, October 03, 2011 10:11 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Delete Problem Dean: Actually, the main form has no record source. It just holds the subform (among other things.). SO I am initiating the delete from the subform. So the accounts table is only in the record source of the subform. Regards, Rocky -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dean Sent: Monday, October 03, 2011 9:59 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Delete Problem well, pardon me for jumping to conclusions. on further inspections it is more like what I suggested than what I thought I saw. I assume you parent form has the accounts table PK. Are you sure you are initiating delete from the subform? You may be calling delete on the main form. I would trap that and disallow any uncontrolled processes by running all actions through the CBF. This way you provide your own, more meaningful warning message, verify and run an action query of your own. Regards, Dean On Oct 3, 2011, at 12:45 PM, Rocky Smolin wrote: > Dean: > > Looks to me like it's a table of Accounts Receivable - the only field > from tblAccounts I need is the account Name. No? fldName is the only > field from tblAccounts in the query. > > Is there a way to rewrite the query so that it wouldn't delete the > Account only the Receivable record? > > TIA > > Rocky > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dean > Sent: Monday, October 03, 2011 9:34 AM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Delete Problem > > I think you may have answered your own question there. Your query is > essentially a table of accounts, with the receivables pulled in. When > you select a record to delete, you are selecting the account. I would > rework that query, use the FK to to pull the account in as a lookup instead. > > Regards, Dean > > > On Oct 3, 2011, at 12:25 PM, Rocky Smolin wrote: > >> Dear List: >> >> I have a subform which has as its record source a query which joins >> an Account Receivable table to an account table: >> >> SELECT tblAccountsReceivable.fldARID, >> tblAccountsReceivable.fldAccountNumber, (*** bunch of other >> fields***) FROM tblAccountsReceivable LEFT JOIN tblAccounts ON >> tblAccountsReceivable.fldAccountNumber = tblAccounts.fldAccountNumber >> ORDER BY tblAccountsReceivable.fldARID; >> >> where Account Number is the PK of Accounts and the FK in > AccountsReceivable. >> >> The subform is a continuous form showing the receivable records. >> When I select a record and hit the delete key the receivable record >> is deleted but also the Account from tblAccounts! >> >> I get the "You are about to delete..." warning message. >> >> No cascade delete. >> >> I can't understand why it would delete the account. The relationship >> in the query is one-to-many: one Account, many Accounts Receivable > records. >> >> Any clues? I'm stumped. >> >> MTIA >> >> Rocky >> >> >> >> >> -- >> AccessD mailing list >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From dnod at aol.com Mon Oct 3 12:22:32 2011 From: dnod at aol.com (Dean) Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2011 13:22:32 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Delete Problem In-Reply-To: References: <384F09F2B2BC465E9C86D20DAF6D4C70@HAL9007><0843D0FBD16747CABAA4DD0E8C7908BF@HAL9007> <1A87C5AF-D40D-4D0C-BB27-8CF4A19B9A1E@aol.com> Message-ID: If you do not have the PK for the accounts anywhere in the parent or the subform, I don't see how hitting the delete key would do it. You don't have any events running a procedure or macro? I am not a SQL statement expert, but that statement does not seem to me able to cause what you describe. I would double check the relationship settings, you said there are no cascade delete settings but that would surely fit. Check your event procedures on both forms. Is something being triggered that you were not expecting, or perhaps you mistakenly referenced the accounts table in code or macro. Regards, Dean On Oct 3, 2011, at 1:10 PM, Rocky Smolin wrote: > Dean: > > Actually, the main form has no record source. It just holds the subform > (among other things.). SO I am initiating the delete from the subform. So > the accounts table is only in the record source of the subform. > > Regards, Rocky > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dean > Sent: Monday, October 03, 2011 9:59 AM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Delete Problem > > well, pardon me for jumping to conclusions. on further inspections it is > more like what I suggested than what I thought I saw. > > I assume you parent form has the accounts table PK. > Are you sure you are initiating delete from the subform? You may be calling > delete on the main form. I would trap that and disallow any uncontrolled > processes by running all actions through the CBF. This way you provide your > own, more meaningful warning message, verify and run an action query of your > own. > > Regards, Dean > > > On Oct 3, 2011, at 12:45 PM, Rocky Smolin wrote: > >> Dean: >> >> Looks to me like it's a table of Accounts Receivable - the only field >> from tblAccounts I need is the account Name. No? fldName is the only >> field from tblAccounts in the query. >> >> Is there a way to rewrite the query so that it wouldn't delete the >> Account only the Receivable record? >> >> TIA >> >> Rocky >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dean >> Sent: Monday, October 03, 2011 9:34 AM >> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving >> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Delete Problem >> >> I think you may have answered your own question there. Your query is >> essentially a table of accounts, with the receivables pulled in. When >> you select a record to delete, you are selecting the account. I would >> rework that query, use the FK to to pull the account in as a lookup > instead. >> >> Regards, Dean >> >> >> On Oct 3, 2011, at 12:25 PM, Rocky Smolin wrote: >> >>> Dear List: >>> >>> I have a subform which has as its record source a query which joins >>> an Account Receivable table to an account table: >>> >>> SELECT tblAccountsReceivable.fldARID, >>> tblAccountsReceivable.fldAccountNumber, (*** bunch of other >>> fields***) FROM tblAccountsReceivable LEFT JOIN tblAccounts ON >>> tblAccountsReceivable.fldAccountNumber = tblAccounts.fldAccountNumber >>> ORDER BY tblAccountsReceivable.fldARID; >>> >>> where Account Number is the PK of Accounts and the FK in >> AccountsReceivable. >>> >>> The subform is a continuous form showing the receivable records. >>> When I select a record and hit the delete key the receivable record >>> is deleted but also the Account from tblAccounts! >>> >>> I get the "You are about to delete..." warning message. >>> >>> No cascade delete. >>> >>> I can't understand why it would delete the account. The relationship >>> in the query is one-to-many: one Account, many Accounts Receivable >> records. >>> >>> Any clues? I'm stumped. >>> >>> MTIA >>> >>> Rocky >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> AccessD mailing list >>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> >> -- >> AccessD mailing list >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> -- >> AccessD mailing list >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From dnod at aol.com Mon Oct 3 12:25:37 2011 From: dnod at aol.com (Dean) Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2011 13:25:37 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Delete Problem In-Reply-To: <557560D014D144479B9B64408999739A@HAL9007> References: <384F09F2B2BC465E9C86D20DAF6D4C70@HAL9007><0843D0FBD16747CABAA4DD0E8C7908BF@HAL9007><1A87C5AF-D40D-4D0C-BB27-8CF4A19B9A1E@aol.com> <557560D014D144479B9B64408999739A@HAL9007> Message-ID: I think that is better anyway. I try to limit all possible actions that way as a matter of course. Regards, Dean On Oct 3, 2011, at 1:21 PM, Rocky Smolin wrote: > OK, I worked around the problem by putting a delete button on the main form > and using: > > Private Sub cmdDelete_Click() > > intReply = MsgBox("Are you certain you want to delete this Receivable > record?", vbYesNo) > If intReply = vbNo Then Exit Sub > > Set db = CurrentDb > db.Execute "Delete * FROM tblAccountsReceivable WHERE fldARID = " & > Me.subfrmAccountsReceivable!fldARID > db.Close > Me.subfrmAccountsReceivable.Requery > > End Sub > > And setting AllowDeletions on the subform to false > > But it's still a mystery. > > > Rocky > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin > Sent: Monday, October 03, 2011 10:11 AM > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Delete Problem > > Dean: > > Actually, the main form has no record source. It just holds the subform > (among other things.). SO I am initiating the delete from the subform. So > the accounts table is only in the record source of the subform. > > Regards, Rocky > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dean > Sent: Monday, October 03, 2011 9:59 AM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Delete Problem > > well, pardon me for jumping to conclusions. on further inspections it is > more like what I suggested than what I thought I saw. > > I assume you parent form has the accounts table PK. > Are you sure you are initiating delete from the subform? You may be calling > delete on the main form. I would trap that and disallow any uncontrolled > processes by running all actions through the CBF. This way you provide your > own, more meaningful warning message, verify and run an action query of your > own. > > Regards, Dean > > > On Oct 3, 2011, at 12:45 PM, Rocky Smolin wrote: > >> Dean: >> >> Looks to me like it's a table of Accounts Receivable - the only field >> from tblAccounts I need is the account Name. No? fldName is the only >> field from tblAccounts in the query. >> >> Is there a way to rewrite the query so that it wouldn't delete the >> Account only the Receivable record? >> >> TIA >> >> Rocky >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dean >> Sent: Monday, October 03, 2011 9:34 AM >> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving >> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Delete Problem >> >> I think you may have answered your own question there. Your query is >> essentially a table of accounts, with the receivables pulled in. When >> you select a record to delete, you are selecting the account. I would >> rework that query, use the FK to to pull the account in as a lookup > instead. >> >> Regards, Dean >> >> >> On Oct 3, 2011, at 12:25 PM, Rocky Smolin wrote: >> >>> Dear List: >>> >>> I have a subform which has as its record source a query which joins >>> an Account Receivable table to an account table: >>> >>> SELECT tblAccountsReceivable.fldARID, >>> tblAccountsReceivable.fldAccountNumber, (*** bunch of other >>> fields***) FROM tblAccountsReceivable LEFT JOIN tblAccounts ON >>> tblAccountsReceivable.fldAccountNumber = tblAccounts.fldAccountNumber >>> ORDER BY tblAccountsReceivable.fldARID; >>> >>> where Account Number is the PK of Accounts and the FK in >> AccountsReceivable. >>> >>> The subform is a continuous form showing the receivable records. >>> When I select a record and hit the delete key the receivable record >>> is deleted but also the Account from tblAccounts! >>> >>> I get the "You are about to delete..." warning message. >>> >>> No cascade delete. >>> >>> I can't understand why it would delete the account. The relationship >>> in the query is one-to-many: one Account, many Accounts Receivable >> records. >>> >>> Any clues? I'm stumped. >>> >>> MTIA >>> >>> Rocky >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> AccessD mailing list >>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> >> -- >> AccessD mailing list >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> -- >> AccessD mailing list >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From vbacreations at gmail.com Mon Oct 3 14:20:49 2011 From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson (VBACreations.Com)) Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2011 15:20:49 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Optimizing query when select part requires a calculation Message-ID: <004b01cc8201$8fc0d7e0$af4287a0$@gmail.com> Optimizing a query that compares calculated result from each table. I have 2 tables Tbl1 and Tbl2, each with the same two columns [A] and [B]; I wanted to ask Access what values from the combination of these two fields exist in one but not the other. I used "|" as a separator. I want to know (1) Why method 1a and 1b are equivalent (2) Why Method 2 is not required (ie, why can I test either item for Null and it represents the combination is null, not the single field on its own) (3) Why Method 3 takes hundreds of times longer 'METHOD 1a SELECT [Tbl1].[A] & "|" & [Tbl1].[B] AS ResultX FROM Tbl1 LEFT JOIN Tbl2 ON (Tbl1.[B] = Tbl2.[B]) AND (Tbl1.[A] = Tbl2.[A]) WHERE Tbl2.A Is Null 'METHOD 1a SELECT [Tbl1].[A] & "|" & [Tbl1].[B] AS ResultX FROM Tbl1 LEFT JOIN Tbl2 ON (Tbl1.[B] = Tbl2.[B]) AND (Tbl1.[A] = Tbl2.[A]) WHERE Tbl2.B Is Null 'METHOD 2 SELECT [Tbl1].[A] & "|" & [Tbl1].[B] AS ResultX FROM Tbl1 LEFT JOIN Tbl2 ON (Tbl1.[B] = Tbl2.[B]) AND (Tbl1.[A] = Tbl2.[A]) WHERE (Tbl2.A Is Null OR Tbl2.B Is Null) <--- Testing both seems not necessary 'METHOD 3 Select [Tbl1].[A] & "|" & [Tbl1].[B] as ResultX >From [Tbl1] Where [Tbl1].[A] & "|" & [Tbl1].[B] Not IN (Select [Tbl2].[A] & "|" & [Tbl2].[B] as ResultY From [Tbl2]) From marksimms at verizon.net Mon Oct 3 15:47:45 2011 From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms) Date: Mon, 03 Oct 2011 16:47:45 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] 2001 Error - You cancelled the previous operation - THE FINAL WORD In-Reply-To: <009e01cc81ee$f67b5860$e3720920$@net> References: <000a01cc8184$13da1fb0$3b8e5f10$@net> <663E55F820A34BBE9D3860641594DD95@personal4a8ede> <009e01cc81ee$f67b5860$e3720920$@net> Message-ID: <002d01cc820d$b4c0ed30$1e42c790$@net> > All in all: It was definitely a bug.....tested in AC2010 - orig > release, > using a SplitForm. > I'll bet it's still in AC2007-SP2. What a story!! Ported the FE and BE to AC2007. However, I had a use a HEX EDITOR to make the 2010 BE compatible with AC2007. This is well documented: http://www.utteraccess.com/forum/print.html&client=printer&f=54&t=1948489 BTW: I used Winhex - greatly recommended. Strangely, on my first test in AC2007, I initially was getting a DIFFERENT ERROR MESSAGE. One related to disabling a control that had the focus. My GUI is complex and so that is a typical overlooked situation. I fixed that problem and of course the rest is history: No more 2001 errors - that was bogus. No need for Requery. Problem was totally and completely in AC2010 - an error condition occurred that was not trapped by "ON ERROR..." THAT'S IT. I cannot imagine what OTHER situations I am going to encounter in 2010. This could be scary. From jimdettman at verizon.net Mon Oct 3 16:31:24 2011 From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman) Date: Mon, 03 Oct 2011 17:31:24 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] 2001 Error - You cancelled the previous operation - THE FINAL WORD In-Reply-To: <002d01cc820d$b4c0ed30$1e42c790$@net> References: <000a01cc8184$13da1fb0$3b8e5f10$@net> <663E55F820A34BBE9D3860641594DD95@personal4a8ede> <009e01cc81ee$f67b5860$e3720920$@net> <002d01cc820d$b4c0ed30$1e42c790$@net> Message-ID: <85C3C754FE65449E948B7101BDC8739C@XPS> >From that other thread: "I've exported my 80 forms and reports using SaveAsText (programmatically) and then manually opened each text file and searched for "Empty"." EatBloat really missed the boat...would have been a real seller. Jim. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Simms Sent: Monday, October 03, 2011 04:48 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] 2001 Error - You cancelled the previous operation - THE FINAL WORD > All in all: It was definitely a bug.....tested in AC2010 - orig > release, > using a SplitForm. > I'll bet it's still in AC2007-SP2. What a story!! Ported the FE and BE to AC2007. However, I had a use a HEX EDITOR to make the 2010 BE compatible with AC2007. This is well documented: http://www.utteraccess.com/forum/print.html&client=printer&f=54&t=1948489 BTW: I used Winhex - greatly recommended. Strangely, on my first test in AC2007, I initially was getting a DIFFERENT ERROR MESSAGE. One related to disabling a control that had the focus. My GUI is complex and so that is a typical overlooked situation. I fixed that problem and of course the rest is history: No more 2001 errors - that was bogus. No need for Requery. Problem was totally and completely in AC2010 - an error condition occurred that was not trapped by "ON ERROR..." THAT'S IT. I cannot imagine what OTHER situations I am going to encounter in 2010. This could be scary. -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Mon Oct 3 17:12:00 2011 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2011 08:12:00 +1000 Subject: [AccessD] 2001 Error - You cancelled the previous operation - THE FINAL WORD In-Reply-To: <002d01cc820d$b4c0ed30$1e42c790$@net> References: <000a01cc8184$13da1fb0$3b8e5f10$@net>, <009e01cc81ee$f67b5860$e3720920$@net>, <002d01cc820d$b4c0ed30$1e42c790$@net> Message-ID: <4E8A3330.9759.EAC442D@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Hack an Access container folder to fool it into thinking it is a different version and all bets are off. You can't know all of the circumstances where those hacked bits are used in some sort of test. -- Stuart On 3 Oct 2011 at 16:47, Mark Simms wrote: > > All in all: It was definitely a bug.....tested in AC2010 - orig > > release, > > using a SplitForm. > > I'll bet it's still in AC2007-SP2. > > What a story!! Ported the FE and BE to AC2007. However, I had a use a HEX > EDITOR to make the 2010 BE compatible with AC2007. This is well documented: > http://www.utteraccess.com/forum/print.html&client=printer&f=54&t=1948489 > BTW: I used Winhex - greatly recommended. > > Strangely, on my first test in AC2007, I initially was getting a DIFFERENT > ERROR MESSAGE. > One related to disabling a control that had the focus. > My GUI is complex and so that is a typical overlooked situation. > I fixed that problem and of course the rest is history: > No more 2001 errors - that was bogus. No need for Requery. > > Problem was totally and completely in AC2010 - an error condition occurred > that was not trapped by "ON ERROR..." > THAT'S IT. I cannot imagine what OTHER situations I am going to encounter in > 2010. This could be scary. > From vbacreations at gmail.com Mon Oct 3 17:45:41 2011 From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson) Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2011 18:45:41 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] 2001 Error - You cancelled the previous operation - THE FINAL WORD In-Reply-To: <4E8A3330.9759.EAC442D@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: <000a01cc8184$13da1fb0$3b8e5f10$@net> <009e01cc81ee$f67b5860$e3720920$@net> <002d01cc820d$b4c0ed30$1e42c790$@net> <4E8A3330.9759.EAC442D@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: You guys need a separate LISTSERV where you discuss all the things not fit for mere mortals. On Oct 3, 2011 6:14 PM, "Stuart McLachlan" wrote: > Hack an Access container folder to fool it into thinking it is a different version and all bets are > off. You can't know all of the circumstances where those hacked bits are used in some sort > of test. > > -- > Stuart > > On 3 Oct 2011 at 16:47, Mark Simms wrote: > >> > All in all: It was definitely a bug.....tested in AC2010 - orig >> > release, >> > using a SplitForm. >> > I'll bet it's still in AC2007-SP2. >> >> What a story!! Ported the FE and BE to AC2007. However, I had a use a HEX >> EDITOR to make the 2010 BE compatible with AC2007. This is well documented: >> http://www.utteraccess.com/forum/print.html&client=printer&f=54&t=1948489 >> BTW: I used Winhex - greatly recommended. >> >> Strangely, on my first test in AC2007, I initially was getting a DIFFERENT >> ERROR MESSAGE. >> One related to disabling a control that had the focus. >> My GUI is complex and so that is a typical overlooked situation. >> I fixed that problem and of course the rest is history: >> No more 2001 errors - that was bogus. No need for Requery. >> >> Problem was totally and completely in AC2010 - an error condition occurred >> that was not trapped by "ON ERROR..." >> THAT'S IT. I cannot imagine what OTHER situations I am going to encounter in >> 2010. This could be scary. >> > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au Mon Oct 3 20:48:24 2011 From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins) Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2011 12:48:24 +1100 Subject: [AccessD] Update on W7 SP1 breaking ADO Message-ID: <001401cc8237$b4ac88c0$1e059a40$@com.au> Well, The story so far... In short. You can download a beta version of W8 which has this issue fully resolved (well, according to MS anyway, although the comments from others seem encouraging at least). They are in the crapper with this one and what to do with SP1 on W7. They are aware it is a major screw up which has impacted many high value customers big time and seem unclear on the best way to resolve it. Good news is for the first time there are hints of the fix being rolled out via a service pack, probably an updated SP1 as there is no release schedule for SP2 yet. Bad news is it seems to be scheduled for next year at the earliest. Given the issue first came to light around Jan 2011, it is hardly an stellar response from MS. They do admit it is a tricky and complex thing to fix, but you really would have thought this issue would have been indentified during pre-release testing. Frankly, downloading a beta version of W8 into a virtual environment is hardly a decent fix right now for most folks.... Anyway... Darryl Collins Whittle Consulting Pty Ltd Suite 8, 660 Canterbury Rd Surrey Hills, VIC, 3127 e: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au w: www.whittleconsulting.com.au From accessd at shaw.ca Mon Oct 3 23:52:52 2011 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2011 21:52:52 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Update on W7 SP1 breaking ADO In-Reply-To: <001401cc8237$b4ac88c0$1e059a40$@com.au> References: <001401cc8237$b4ac88c0$1e059a40$@com.au> Message-ID: <198F5DFD77EA41428D8309F917969D7C@creativesystemdesigns.com> Well, that,s good news...ADO is back. :-) (...but not until spring.) Jim -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darryl Collins Sent: Monday, October 03, 2011 6:48 PM To: 'Microsoft Excel Developers List'; 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: [AccessD] Update on W7 SP1 breaking ADO Well, The story so far... In short. You can download a beta version of W8 which has this issue fully resolved (well, according to MS anyway, although the comments from others seem encouraging at least). They are in the crapper with this one and what to do with SP1 on W7. They are aware it is a major screw up which has impacted many high value customers big time and seem unclear on the best way to resolve it. Good news is for the first time there are hints of the fix being rolled out via a service pack, probably an updated SP1 as there is no release schedule for SP2 yet. Bad news is it seems to be scheduled for next year at the earliest. Given the issue first came to light around Jan 2011, it is hardly an stellar response from MS. They do admit it is a tricky and complex thing to fix, but you really would have thought this issue would have been indentified during pre-release testing. Frankly, downloading a beta version of W8 into a virtual environment is hardly a decent fix right now for most folks.... Anyway... Darryl Collins Whittle Consulting Pty Ltd Suite 8, 660 Canterbury Rd Surrey Hills, VIC, 3127 e: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au w: www.whittleconsulting.com.au -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au Tue Oct 4 00:30:54 2011 From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins) Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2011 16:30:54 +1100 Subject: [AccessD] Update on W7 SP1 breaking ADO In-Reply-To: <198F5DFD77EA41428D8309F917969D7C@creativesystemdesigns.com> References: <001401cc8237$b4ac88c0$1e059a40$@com.au> <198F5DFD77EA41428D8309F917969D7C@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: <001a01cc8256$c9afc600$5d0f5200$@com.au> Hehehehe, yeah something like that. Just in time for MS to drop it altogether if the rumours are to be believed.... -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Tuesday, 4 October 2011 3:53 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Update on W7 SP1 breaking ADO Well, that,s good news...ADO is back. :-) (...but not until spring.) Jim -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darryl Collins Sent: Monday, October 03, 2011 6:48 PM To: 'Microsoft Excel Developers List'; 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: [AccessD] Update on W7 SP1 breaking ADO Well, The story so far... In short. You can download a beta version of W8 which has this issue fully resolved (well, according to MS anyway, although the comments from others seem encouraging at least). They are in the crapper with this one and what to do with SP1 on W7. They are aware it is a major screw up which has impacted many high value customers big time and seem unclear on the best way to resolve it. Good news is for the first time there are hints of the fix being rolled out via a service pack, probably an updated SP1 as there is no release schedule for SP2 yet. Bad news is it seems to be scheduled for next year at the earliest. Given the issue first came to light around Jan 2011, it is hardly an stellar response from MS. They do admit it is a tricky and complex thing to fix, but you really would have thought this issue would have been indentified during pre-release testing. Frankly, downloading a beta version of W8 into a virtual environment is hardly a decent fix right now for most folks.... Anyway... Darryl Collins Whittle Consulting Pty Ltd Suite 8, 660 Canterbury Rd Surrey Hills, VIC, 3127 e: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au w: www.whittleconsulting.com.au -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Tue Oct 4 08:12:55 2011 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2011 09:12:55 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Access 2010 how to Message-ID: <4E8B0657.7040500@colbyconsulting.com> I am forced to use Access 2010 and so I am lost. How do I see the widget (pane?) on the left with all the tables, forms, queries etc. I am in a view where all I see are the tables, and oh my goodness, I see every damned thing remotely associated with every table. I so don't care about all of that stuff, though it could be useful at times. I just need to see a list of all my forms, or all my modules, or all my reports. Help me please. (My daughter Allie says that, in a plaintive little voice). -- John W. Colby Colby Consulting From ssharkins at gmail.com Tue Oct 4 08:18:57 2011 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2011 09:18:57 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Access 2010 how to References: <4E8B0657.7040500@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <668004D429CB4E019872A047C01461AA@SusanHarkins> There's a dropdown list at the top of the Navigation Pain in the... Pane. Choose Object Type. Then, you can choose the specific type of object. Susan H. >I am forced to use Access 2010 and so I am lost. > > How do I see the widget (pane?) on the left with all the tables, forms, > queries etc. > > I am in a view where all I see are the tables, and oh my goodness, I see > every damned thing remotely associated with every table. I so don't care > about all of that stuff, though it could be useful at times. > > I just need to see a list of all my forms, or all my modules, or all my > reports. > > Help me please. (My daughter Allie says that, in a plaintive little > voice). From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Tue Oct 4 08:51:38 2011 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2011 09:51:38 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Crome and LogMeIn full screen mode Message-ID: <4E8B0F6A.4090800@colbyconsulting.com> Chrome does not work correctly with LogmeIn full screen mode. In Firefox it causes the browser to maximize and the Windows task bar to disappear as well as all of the firefox toolbars. In chrome something happens, i.e. the screen moves around but the task / toolbars remain. -- John W. Colby Colby Consulting From Gustav at cactus.dk Tue Oct 4 09:09:34 2011 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2011 16:09:34 +0200 Subject: [AccessD] Crome and LogMeIn full screen mode Message-ID: Hi John I believe IE is the only browser that works 100% with LogMeIn. /gustav >>> jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com 04-10-2011 15:51 >>> Chrome does not work correctly with LogmeIn full screen mode. In Firefox it causes the browser to maximize and the Windows task bar to disappear as well as all of the firefox toolbars. In chrome something happens, i.e. the screen moves around but the task / toolbars remain. -- John W. Colby Colby Consulting From edzedz at comcast.net Tue Oct 4 09:11:37 2011 From: edzedz at comcast.net (Edward Zuris) Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2011 08:11:37 -0600 Subject: [AccessD] Crome and LogMeIn full screen mode In-Reply-To: <4E8B0F6A.4090800@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <004801cc829f$87d73260$5bdea8c0@edz1> Speaking of logmein. If you did a logmein install through the Dos method. How do you uninstall it ? -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2011 7:52 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: [AccessD] Crome and LogMeIn full screen mode Chrome does not work correctly with LogmeIn full screen mode. In Firefox it causes the browser to maximize and the Windows task bar to disappear as well as all of the firefox toolbars. In chrome something happens, i.e. the screen moves around but the task / toolbars remain. -- John W. Colby Colby Consulting -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Tue Oct 4 09:13:35 2011 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2011 10:13:35 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Access 2010 how to In-Reply-To: <668004D429CB4E019872A047C01461AA@SusanHarkins> References: <4E8B0657.7040500@colbyconsulting.com> <668004D429CB4E019872A047C01461AA@SusanHarkins> Message-ID: <4E8B148F.9090503@colbyconsulting.com> Susan, Thanks for replying. I am seeing my database open for business, with a switchboard. At the top is a very small toolbar with the Access symbol, a floppy (how quaint!) etc. Below that is a tab with File / Home etc. Home is selected, apparently by default? Below that is a toolbar. Massive! Below that is a work area. On the left side is a pane with the work Custom in it and a drop down arrow in a circle plus the << for causing it to shrink Below that is a bar with "Unassigned objects" So which of these objects is the navigation pane? Or more appropriately - PAIN as you are calling it. ;) I do not see an ellipsis (...) anywhere visible. John W. Colby Colby Consulting On 10/4/2011 9:18 AM, Susan Harkins wrote: > There's a dropdown list at the top of the Navigation Pain in the... Pane. Choose Object Type. Then, > you can choose the specific type of object. > > Susan H. > > >> I am forced to use Access 2010 and so I am lost. >> >> How do I see the widget (pane?) on the left with all the tables, forms, queries etc. >> >> I am in a view where all I see are the tables, and oh my goodness, I see every damned thing >> remotely associated with every table. I so don't care about all of that stuff, though it could be >> useful at times. >> >> I just need to see a list of all my forms, or all my modules, or all my reports. >> >> Help me please. (My daughter Allie says that, in a plaintive little voice). > From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Tue Oct 4 09:15:57 2011 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2011 10:15:57 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Crome and LogMeIn full screen mode In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4E8B151D.9090800@colbyconsulting.com> I have been using Firefox exclusively for several years. Do you know what IE gives me that Firefox does not? I just gave up on IE back when it sucked so badly and Firefox gave me an alternative, and have never returned. John W. Colby Colby Consulting On 10/4/2011 10:09 AM, Gustav Brock wrote: > Hi John > > I believe IE is the only browser that works 100% with LogMeIn. > > /gustav > >>>> jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com 04-10-2011 15:51>>> > Chrome does not work correctly with LogmeIn full screen mode. In Firefox it causes the browser to > maximize and the Windows task bar to disappear as well as all of the firefox toolbars. In chrome > something happens, i.e. the screen moves around but the task / toolbars remain. > From marksimms at verizon.net Tue Oct 4 09:19:59 2011 From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms) Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2011 10:19:59 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Access 2010 how to In-Reply-To: <4E8B0657.7040500@colbyconsulting.com> References: <4E8B0657.7040500@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <007201cc82a0$b3b53fc0$1b1fbf40$@net> > I am forced to use Access 2010 Someone put a gun to your head ? ;) That being said, it sure is great for end-users, But because they modified VBA, the bugs are numerous and nasty. With SP1, you've got to decompile your VBA project daily....sometimes more. It's very obvious there was very little beta testing of this product by developers. From Gustav at cactus.dk Tue Oct 4 09:26:28 2011 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2011 16:26:28 +0200 Subject: [AccessD] Crome and LogMeIn full screen mode Message-ID: Hi John No, sorry, because I don't use Firefox. I use IE mostly and Chrome for some. Firefox, Safari, and Opera I never touch except for tests with Visual Studio. /gustav >>> jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com 04-10-2011 16:15 >>> I have been using Firefox exclusively for several years. Do you know what IE gives me that Firefox does not? I just gave up on IE back when it sucked so badly and Firefox gave me an alternative, and have never returned. John W. Colby Colby Consulting On 10/4/2011 10:09 AM, Gustav Brock wrote: > Hi John > > I believe IE is the only browser that works 100% with LogMeIn. > > /gustav > >>>> jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com 04-10-2011 15:51>>> > Chrome does not work correctly with LogmeIn full screen mode. In Firefox it causes the browser to > maximize and the Windows task bar to disappear as well as all of the firefox toolbars. In chrome > something happens, i.e. the screen moves around but the task / toolbars remain. From ssharkins at gmail.com Tue Oct 4 09:31:23 2011 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2011 10:31:23 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Access 2010 how to References: <4E8B0657.7040500@colbyconsulting.com><668004D429CB4E019872A047C01461AA@SusanHarkins> <4E8B148F.9090503@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <5957940A00384201B440CF6B639F169A@SusanHarkins> > At the top is a very small toolbar with the Access symbol, a floppy (how > quaint!) etc. ======That's the Quick Access Toolbar - very handy. :) > Below that is a tab with File / Home etc. Home is selected, apparently by > default? > Below that is a toolbar. Massive! > Below that is a work area. On the left side is a pane with the work > Custom in it and a drop down arrow in a circle plus the << for causing it > to shrink > Below that is a bar with "Unassigned objects" =======This is the Navigation Pane. There should be some kind of default or object type choice in that dropdown list. Susan H. From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Tue Oct 4 09:29:48 2011 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2011 10:29:48 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Access 2010 how to In-Reply-To: <007201cc82a0$b3b53fc0$1b1fbf40$@net> References: <4E8B0657.7040500@colbyconsulting.com> <007201cc82a0$b3b53fc0$1b1fbf40$@net> Message-ID: <4E8B185C.2060203@colbyconsulting.com> > Someone put a gun to your head ? ;) Kinda. I spent days moving to a new disk / windows 7 for my dev machine. I have a client that uses Office 2010 and I am installing it on my wife's machine because she works for that client. I installed Office 2003 and then decided "what the heck" and installed Office 2010 as well. One of my not so good decisions. I am still actively debating uninstalling it. My problem atm is that I am able to get into my billing program in 2010 but not under 2003. I suspect that is an issue with both installed but I am not certain of that. What if I uninstall and still can't get into my billing program in 2003? But you (and the pile of evidence before my eyes) has convinced me and I am now uninstalling Office 2010. I will run it in a VM for the client. And pray that I can get my billing application back when 2010 is gone. John W. Colby Colby Consulting On 10/4/2011 10:19 AM, Mark Simms wrote: >> I am forced to use Access 2010 > Someone put a gun to your head ? ;) > > That being said, it sure is great for end-users, > But because they modified VBA, the bugs are numerous and nasty. > With SP1, you've got to decompile your VBA project daily....sometimes more. > > It's very obvious there was very little beta testing of this product by > developers. > > From sturner at mseco.com Tue Oct 4 09:56:32 2011 From: sturner at mseco.com (Steve Turner) Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2011 09:56:32 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Access 2010 how to In-Reply-To: <4E8B148F.9090503@colbyconsulting.com> References: <4E8B0657.7040500@colbyconsulting.com><668004D429CB4E019872A047C01461AA@SusanHarkins> <4E8B148F.9090503@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: John, If you select the bar with the down arrow circle you should get a drop down with Navigate to Category. Select the Object Type and select the Bar again and it should show a grey bar Filter By Group that list's the Tables < Forms, Macro's etc. Select one of those and it takes you to those tabs. The best thing about Access 2010 is the work window now has tabs and you can have many things open at the same time and switch back and forth between the tab to see the data. Steve A. Turner Controller Mid-South Engineering Co. Inc E-Mail: sturner at mseco.com and saturner at mseco.com -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2011 9:14 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access 2010 how to Susan, Thanks for replying. I am seeing my database open for business, with a switchboard. At the top is a very small toolbar with the Access symbol, a floppy (how quaint!) etc. Below that is a tab with File / Home etc. Home is selected, apparently by default? Below that is a toolbar. Massive! Below that is a work area. On the left side is a pane with the work Custom in it and a drop down arrow in a circle plus the << for causing it to shrink Below that is a bar with "Unassigned objects" So which of these objects is the navigation pane? Or more appropriately - PAIN as you are calling it. ;) I do not see an ellipsis (...) anywhere visible. John W. Colby Colby Consulting On 10/4/2011 9:18 AM, Susan Harkins wrote: > There's a dropdown list at the top of the Navigation Pain in the... Pane. Choose Object Type. Then, > you can choose the specific type of object. > > Susan H. > > >> I am forced to use Access 2010 and so I am lost. >> >> How do I see the widget (pane?) on the left with all the tables, forms, queries etc. >> >> I am in a view where all I see are the tables, and oh my goodness, I see every damned thing >> remotely associated with every table. I so don't care about all of that stuff, though it could be >> useful at times. >> >> I just need to see a list of all my forms, or all my modules, or all my reports. >> >> Help me please. (My daughter Allie says that, in a plaintive little voice). > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From john at winhaven.net Tue Oct 4 10:22:10 2011 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2011 10:22:10 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Crome and LogMeIn full screen mode In-Reply-To: <4E8B0F6A.4090800@colbyconsulting.com> References: <4E8B0F6A.4090800@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <004601cc82a9$629de2a0$27d9a7e0$@winhaven.net> John, I use Logmein a lot. I use it with either IE or Firefox. I run into a lot more problems with Firefox, Chrome, Opera than IE. Firefox 7 gives me a "General Failure = Url" alert when I click on a hyperlink in Outlook. The hyperlink still opens but I have to click out of an annoying error message each time, and that gets old. I tend to have a lot of annoying little issues with Chrome which either other people don't run into or for some reason overlook (is it that the anti-MS sentiment is still pretty strong out there and people will put up with a lot to avoid using MS products?) I just never took to using Opera or Safari much. Opera seemed to have an update every time I opened it and Safari wasn't very good last time I gave it a chance. Both are probably worth another look as that was over a year ago. IE 9 is very fast compared to older versions. It is also a lot more robust and secure: http://askbobrankin.com/which_browser_is_the_most_secure.html I don't know if it is the fastest or the most secure but it seems to be the least PITA for me so for now IE is default again. John B -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2011 8:52 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: [AccessD] Crome and LogMeIn full screen mode Chrome does not work correctly with LogmeIn full screen mode. In Firefox it causes the browser to maximize and the Windows task bar to disappear as well as all of the firefox toolbars. In chrome something happens, i.e. the screen moves around but the task / toolbars remain. From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Tue Oct 4 10:23:39 2011 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2011 08:23:39 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Access 2010 how to In-Reply-To: References: <4E8B0657.7040500@colbyconsulting.com><668004D429CB4E019872A047C01461AA@SusanHarkins><4E8B148F.9090503@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <7E56D016A4B24C2CAF79B73262AB1DDD@HAL9007> Oh - soooo much better than 2003 (rolling eyes) which was way to simple and effective. Rocky -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Turner Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2011 7:57 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access 2010 how to John, If you select the bar with the down arrow circle you should get a drop down with Navigate to Category. Select the Object Type and select the Bar again and it should show a grey bar Filter By Group that list's the Tables < Forms, Macro's etc. Select one of those and it takes you to those tabs. The best thing about Access 2010 is the work window now has tabs and you can have many things open at the same time and switch back and forth between the tab to see the data. Steve A. Turner Controller Mid-South Engineering Co. Inc E-Mail: sturner at mseco.com and saturner at mseco.com -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2011 9:14 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access 2010 how to Susan, Thanks for replying. I am seeing my database open for business, with a switchboard. At the top is a very small toolbar with the Access symbol, a floppy (how quaint!) etc. Below that is a tab with File / Home etc. Home is selected, apparently by default? Below that is a toolbar. Massive! Below that is a work area. On the left side is a pane with the work Custom in it and a drop down arrow in a circle plus the << for causing it to shrink Below that is a bar with "Unassigned objects" So which of these objects is the navigation pane? Or more appropriately - PAIN as you are calling it. ;) I do not see an ellipsis (...) anywhere visible. John W. Colby Colby Consulting On 10/4/2011 9:18 AM, Susan Harkins wrote: > There's a dropdown list at the top of the Navigation Pain in the... Pane. Choose Object Type. Then, > you can choose the specific type of object. > > Susan H. > > >> I am forced to use Access 2010 and so I am lost. >> >> How do I see the widget (pane?) on the left with all the tables, forms, queries etc. >> >> I am in a view where all I see are the tables, and oh my goodness, I see every damned thing >> remotely associated with every table. I so don't care about all of that stuff, though it could be >> useful at times. >> >> I just need to see a list of all my forms, or all my modules, or all my reports. >> >> Help me please. (My daughter Allie says that, in a plaintive little voice). > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Tue Oct 4 10:35:27 2011 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2011 11:35:27 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Crome and LogMeIn full screen mode In-Reply-To: <004601cc82a9$629de2a0$27d9a7e0$@winhaven.net> References: <4E8B0F6A.4090800@colbyconsulting.com> <004601cc82a9$629de2a0$27d9a7e0$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: <4E8B27BF.5060207@colbyconsulting.com> >(is it that the anti-MS sentiment is still pretty strong out there and people will put up with a lot to avoid using MS products?) Hmmm... >Firefox 7 gives me a "General Failure = Url" alert when I click on a hyperlink in Outlook. And Outlook is a Microsoft product... and it doesn't work correctly in Firefox... As for me, I believe in going with the underdog whenever the main player plays unfairly, and equally importantly when the major player does not innovate because they don't have to. That is what competition does is up the ante so everyone has to innovate. Microsoft plays unfairly. Microsoft IE sucked and they just didn't care because IE owned the market place. Suddenly Firefox gave them competition and guess what? IE is back in the game. But if we all just go back to IE what do I think will happen? Intel / AMD is the same situation, and I stay with AMD because they are "good enough" and they force the marketplace to innovate. I know people who only care about their own experience and I guess that is OK, but they get their "better experience" on the backs of me and others willing to bear the burden. <\Rant> John W. Colby Colby Consulting On 10/4/2011 11:22 AM, John Bartow wrote: > John, > I use Logmein a lot. I use it with either IE or Firefox. > > I run into a lot more problems with Firefox, Chrome, Opera than IE. Firefox > 7 gives me a "General Failure = Url" alert when I click on a hyperlink in > Outlook. > The hyperlink still opens but I have to click out of an annoying error > message each time, and that gets old. I tend to have a lot of annoying > little issues with Chrome which either other people don't run into or for > some reason overlook (is it that the anti-MS sentiment is still pretty > strong out there and people will put up with a lot to avoid using MS > products?) I just never took to using Opera or Safari much. Opera seemed to > have an update every time I opened it and Safari wasn't very good last time > I gave it a chance. Both are probably worth another look as that was over a > year ago. > > IE 9 is very fast compared to older versions. It is also a lot more robust > and secure: > http://askbobrankin.com/which_browser_is_the_most_secure.html > > I don't know if it is the fastest or the most secure but it seems to be the > least PITA for me so for now IE is default again. > John B > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby > Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2011 8:52 AM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: [AccessD] Crome and LogMeIn full screen mode > > Chrome does not work correctly with LogmeIn full screen mode. In Firefox it > causes the browser to maximize and the Windows task bar to disappear as well > as all of the firefox toolbars. In chrome something happens, i.e. the > screen moves around but the task / toolbars remain. > From marksimms at verizon.net Tue Oct 4 10:55:14 2011 From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms) Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2011 11:55:14 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Crome and LogMeIn full screen mode In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <003901cc82ae$01f9f2e0$05edd8a0$@net> > I believe IE is the only browser that works 100% with LogMeIn. > > /gustav Running fine here with FF 7.0.1 That being said, the Logmein plugin appears to crash when Logmein times-out. A refresh solves the problem....so no biggie there. Also, some GUI related things like changing the caption on command buttons are sometimes difficult to do thru Logmein. Still, I'm really impressed with the product. From accessd at shaw.ca Tue Oct 4 11:20:06 2011 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2011 09:20:06 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Crome and LogMeIn full screen mode In-Reply-To: <4E8B0F6A.4090800@colbyconsulting.com> References: <4E8B0F6A.4090800@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <06BBA64A5DD74EA1A05B936C31154E70@creativesystemdesigns.com> That is strange John. I have many of my clients on LogMeIn and have never had such a re-action. Mind you, I have not set anyone up for a month so there may be some issues with the new version. TeamViewer is another excellent product and then in a pinch you can use UltraVNC (security is poor as the password size is limited but you can get creative with connection ports). You can use RDP and even old netmeeting, which has been shipped with every Windows since 98...just like ADO. ;-) Jim -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2011 6:52 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: [AccessD] Crome and LogMeIn full screen mode Chrome does not work correctly with LogmeIn full screen mode. In Firefox it causes the browser to maximize and the Windows task bar to disappear as well as all of the firefox toolbars. In chrome something happens, i.e. the screen moves around but the task / toolbars remain. -- John W. Colby Colby Consulting -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Tue Oct 4 11:34:24 2011 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2011 09:34:24 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Crome and LogMeIn full screen mode In-Reply-To: <004601cc82a9$629de2a0$27d9a7e0$@winhaven.net> References: <4E8B0F6A.4090800@colbyconsulting.com> <004601cc82a9$629de2a0$27d9a7e0$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: >From a designing point of view, I have been finding IE9 is a lot more compatible with the W3C standards. When tweaking a site, I have been able to use add subtle changes to the CSS scripts as opposed to writing a custom one for IE products...mind you, that is if I abandon support for IE6,7 and 8 and always have the latest version of JQuery loaded. In summary IE is definitely improving. Jim -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2011 8:22 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Crome and LogMeIn full screen mode John, I use Logmein a lot. I use it with either IE or Firefox. I run into a lot more problems with Firefox, Chrome, Opera than IE. Firefox 7 gives me a "General Failure = Url" alert when I click on a hyperlink in Outlook. The hyperlink still opens but I have to click out of an annoying error message each time, and that gets old. I tend to have a lot of annoying little issues with Chrome which either other people don't run into or for some reason overlook (is it that the anti-MS sentiment is still pretty strong out there and people will put up with a lot to avoid using MS products?) I just never took to using Opera or Safari much. Opera seemed to have an update every time I opened it and Safari wasn't very good last time I gave it a chance. Both are probably worth another look as that was over a year ago. IE 9 is very fast compared to older versions. It is also a lot more robust and secure: http://askbobrankin.com/which_browser_is_the_most_secure.html I don't know if it is the fastest or the most secure but it seems to be the least PITA for me so for now IE is default again. John B -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2011 8:52 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: [AccessD] Crome and LogMeIn full screen mode Chrome does not work correctly with LogmeIn full screen mode. In Firefox it causes the browser to maximize and the Windows task bar to disappear as well as all of the firefox toolbars. In chrome something happens, i.e. the screen moves around but the task / toolbars remain. -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From BradM at blackforestltd.com Tue Oct 4 13:23:11 2011 From: BradM at blackforestltd.com (Brad Marks) Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2011 13:23:11 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] OT - John Colby - volunteer work with Prisons - Minnesota Public Radio program References: <001401cc8237$b4ac88c0$1e059a40$@com.au> Message-ID: John, On several of your posts here on AccessD, you mentioned volunteer work that you help with involving prisoners. Yesterday, I caught the tail-end of a program on Minnesota Public Radio regarding a recent study that was conducted regarding the statistics of prisoners getting into trouble again after they are released. I believe that they said that the number 1 factor of whether a prisoner breaks the law or not after being released is the number of visitors that they had while in prison. (The more visitors they had while in prison, resulted in much fewer repeat offenders). Because of the high cost of incarcerating criminals, people who visit prisoners may be saving a lot of money for tax-payers and not even be aware of this factor. I will try to see if this program is on the MPR website. If I find it, I will email the link to you. Pretty interesting. Keep up the good work! Brad From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Tue Oct 4 14:07:16 2011 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2011 15:07:16 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] From Microsoft's help for migrating outlook... Message-ID: <4E8B5964.9010407@colbyconsulting.com> Note: Windows Easy Transfer is a Windows feature that enables you to copy files and settings from one computer to another. Some Outlook users experience corrupted Outlook profiles when using Windows Easy Transfer. The steps in this article don?t use Windows Easy Transfer. ;) -- John W. Colby Colby Consulting From charlotte.foust at gmail.com Tue Oct 4 14:51:12 2011 From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust) Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2011 12:51:12 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] From Microsoft's help for migrating outlook... In-Reply-To: <4E8B5964.9010407@colbyconsulting.com> References: <4E8B5964.9010407@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: Just about says it all Charlotte Foust On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 12:07 PM, jwcolby wrote: > > Note: Windows Easy Transfer is a Windows feature that enables you to > copy files and settings from one computer to another. Some Outlook users > experience corrupted Outlook profiles when using Windows Easy Transfer. The > steps in this article don?t use Windows Easy Transfer. > > ;) > > -- > John W. Colby > Colby Consulting > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/accessd > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.**com > > > From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Tue Oct 4 15:06:30 2011 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2011 16:06:30 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] OT - John Colby - volunteer work with Prisons - Minnesota Public Radio program In-Reply-To: References: <001401cc8237$b4ac88c0$1e059a40$@com.au> Message-ID: <4E8B6746.5080100@colbyconsulting.com> Brad, > Because of the high cost of incarcerating criminals, people who visit prisoners may be saving a lot of money for tax-payers and not even be aware of this factor. I have to tell you that a certain right wing political party who happens to control politics in the state of NC is slashing all spending on inmates, anything having to do with rehabilitation, and cold bloodedly expecting volunteers to pick up the costs. They attempted to cut every single chaplain position, managed to cut 1/2 of them, and will go after the remaining positions in the next budget. Cut funding for re-entry programs which attempt to help inmates acquire the skills to exist outside of prison. Basically their attitude is that it is not the government's business to help people. PERIOD. House knocked down by a tornado? Not My Problem. Floods in the northeast? NMP. Oil spill killing the gulf? NMP. Inmates handed $45 when they get out and pointed at the nearest store to rob? NMP. Well... unless I own the store of course... let me check... Nope, not my store, NMP. Unfortunately it is no longer the people's job to help people either. Well, I'm white so maybe I'll help the white folk. But not right now because there's a college football game on... Sigh. I take care of myself and my family. Maaaaaybe my mom, if she was nice to me and will put me in her will. Beyond that, if you are starving and have to die, please do so somewhere where I do not have to clean up the mess. Because of course it is not the government's business to clean up dead people either (and I ain't gonna do it!). ;) I can hear the snickers hitting poor John's inbox, ping, ping, ping... Oddly, the sound does my heart good! :):):) In the meantime, in about 2 hours I will be headed to the prison, because it is my problem. A self imposed problem perhaps, but mine none the less. ping, ping, ping. :) :) John W. Colby Colby Consulting On 10/4/2011 2:23 PM, Brad Marks wrote: > John, > > On several of your posts here on AccessD, you mentioned volunteer work > that you help with involving prisoners. > > Yesterday, I caught the tail-end of a program on Minnesota Public Radio > regarding a recent study that was conducted regarding the statistics of > prisoners getting into trouble again after they are released. I believe > that they said that the number 1 factor of whether a prisoner breaks the > law or not after being released is the number of visitors that they had > while in prison. (The more visitors they had while in prison, resulted > in much fewer repeat offenders). > > Because of the high cost of incarcerating criminals, people who visit > prisoners may be saving a lot of money for tax-payers and not even be > aware of this factor. > > I will try to see if this program is on the MPR website. If I find it, > I will email the link to you. Pretty interesting. > > Keep up the good work! > > Brad > > From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Tue Oct 4 15:09:54 2011 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2011 16:09:54 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] From Microsoft's help for migrating outlook... In-Reply-To: References: <4E8B5964.9010407@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <4E8B6812.2040909@colbyconsulting.com> > Just about says it all LOL, yea it does. This is one of the reasons I moved from Outlook to Thunderbird, MozBackup actually does all of this for you. And it just works. John W. Colby Colby Consulting On 10/4/2011 3:51 PM, Charlotte Foust wrote: > Just about says it all > Charlotte Foust > On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 12:07 PM, jwcolbywrote: > >> >> Note: Windows Easy Transfer is a Windows feature that enables you to >> copy files and settings from one computer to another. Some Outlook users >> experience corrupted Outlook profiles when using Windows Easy Transfer. The >> steps in this article don?t use Windows Easy Transfer. >> >> ;) >> >> -- >> John W. Colby >> Colby Consulting >> -- >> AccessD mailing list >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/accessd >> >> >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.**com >> >> >> From jimdettman at verizon.net Tue Oct 4 15:46:51 2011 From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman) Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2011 16:46:51 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] From Microsoft's help for migrating outlook... In-Reply-To: <4E8B5964.9010407@colbyconsulting.com> References: <4E8B5964.9010407@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <81D08DAA7470403986167BB2CA8D4359@XPS> DCOM can get seriously messed up as well. Jim. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2011 03:07 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: [AccessD] From Microsoft's help for migrating outlook... Note: Windows Easy Transfer is a Windows feature that enables you to copy files and settings from one computer to another. Some Outlook users experience corrupted Outlook profiles when using Windows Easy Transfer. The steps in this article don't use Windows Easy Transfer. ;) -- John W. Colby Colby Consulting -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From tinanfields at torchlake.com Tue Oct 4 15:47:17 2011 From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields) Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2011 16:47:17 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] OT - John Colby - volunteer work with Prisons -Minnesota Public Radio program In-Reply-To: <4E8B6746.5080100@colbyconsulting.com> References: <001401cc8237$b4ac88c0$1e059a40$@com.au> <4E8B6746.5080100@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <4E8B70D5.4060207@torchlake.com> John, I support what you are doing. It IS our problem! We DO have to help! We really are all in this together and we don't have another planet to move to. Keep on keeping on! T Tina Norris Fields tinanfields at torchlake.com 231-322-2787 On 10/4/2011 4:06 PM, jwcolby wrote: > Brad, > > > Because of the high cost of incarcerating criminals, people who > visit prisoners may be saving a lot of money for tax-payers and not > even be aware of this factor. > > I have to tell you that a certain right wing political party who > happens to control politics in the state of NC is slashing all > spending on inmates, anything having to do with rehabilitation, and > cold bloodedly expecting volunteers to pick up the costs. They > attempted to cut every single chaplain position, managed to cut 1/2 of > them, and will go after the remaining positions in the next budget. > Cut funding for re-entry programs which attempt to help inmates > acquire the skills to exist outside of prison. > > Basically their attitude is that it is not the government's business > to help people. PERIOD. > > House knocked down by a tornado? Not My Problem. Floods in the > northeast? NMP. Oil spill killing the gulf? NMP. Inmates handed > $45 when they get out and pointed at the nearest store to rob? NMP. > Well... unless I own the store of course... let me check... Nope, > not my store, NMP. > > Unfortunately it is no longer the people's job to help people either. > Well, I'm white so maybe I'll help the white folk. But not right now > because there's a college football game on... > > Sigh. > > I take care of myself and my family. Maaaaaybe my mom, if she was > nice to me and will put me in her will. Beyond that, if you are > starving and have to die, please do so somewhere where I do not have > to clean up the mess. Because of course it is not the government's > business to clean up dead people either (and I ain't gonna do it!). ;) > > I can hear the snickers hitting poor John's inbox, ping, ping, > ping... Oddly, the sound does my heart good! :):):) > > In the meantime, in about 2 hours I will be headed to the prison, > because it is my problem. A self imposed problem perhaps, but mine > none the less. > > ping, ping, ping. :) > > :) > > John W. Colby > Colby Consulting > > On 10/4/2011 2:23 PM, Brad Marks wrote: >> John, >> >> On several of your posts here on AccessD, you mentioned volunteer work >> that you help with involving prisoners. >> >> Yesterday, I caught the tail-end of a program on Minnesota Public Radio >> regarding a recent study that was conducted regarding the statistics of >> prisoners getting into trouble again after they are released. I believe >> that they said that the number 1 factor of whether a prisoner breaks the >> law or not after being released is the number of visitors that they had >> while in prison. (The more visitors they had while in prison, resulted >> in much fewer repeat offenders). >> >> Because of the high cost of incarcerating criminals, people who visit >> prisoners may be saving a lot of money for tax-payers and not even be >> aware of this factor. >> >> I will try to see if this program is on the MPR website. If I find it, >> I will email the link to you. Pretty interesting. >> >> Keep up the good work! >> >> Brad >> >> From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Tue Oct 4 15:52:10 2011 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2011 16:52:10 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] OT - John Colby - volunteer work with Prisons -Minnesota Public Radio program In-Reply-To: <4E8B70D5.4060207@torchlake.com> References: <001401cc8237$b4ac88c0$1e059a40$@com.au> <4E8B6746.5080100@colbyconsulting.com> <4E8B70D5.4060207@torchlake.com> Message-ID: <4E8B71FA.3040604@colbyconsulting.com> :) Nothing whatsoever to do with my attitude today but I watched Wall-e with my son last night. What a cute movie! John W. Colby Colby Consulting On 10/4/2011 4:47 PM, Tina Norris Fields wrote: > John, > I support what you are doing. It IS our problem! We DO have to help! We really are all in this > together and we don't have another planet to move to. > Keep on keeping on! > T > > Tina Norris Fields > tinanfields at torchlake.com > 231-322-2787 > > > On 10/4/2011 4:06 PM, jwcolby wrote: >> Brad, >> >> > Because of the high cost of incarcerating criminals, people who visit prisoners may be saving a >> lot of money for tax-payers and not even be aware of this factor. >> >> I have to tell you that a certain right wing political party who happens to control politics in >> the state of NC is slashing all spending on inmates, anything having to do with rehabilitation, >> and cold bloodedly expecting volunteers to pick up the costs. They attempted to cut every single >> chaplain position, managed to cut 1/2 of them, and will go after the remaining positions in the >> next budget. Cut funding for re-entry programs which attempt to help inmates acquire the skills to >> exist outside of prison. >> >> Basically their attitude is that it is not the government's business to help people. PERIOD. >> >> House knocked down by a tornado? Not My Problem. Floods in the northeast? NMP. Oil spill killing >> the gulf? NMP. Inmates handed $45 when they get out and pointed at the nearest store to rob? NMP. >> Well... unless I own the store of course... let me check... Nope, not my store, NMP. >> >> Unfortunately it is no longer the people's job to help people either. Well, I'm white so maybe >> I'll help the white folk. But not right now because there's a college football game on... >> >> Sigh. >> >> I take care of myself and my family. Maaaaaybe my mom, if she was nice to me and will put me in >> her will. Beyond that, if you are starving and have to die, please do so somewhere where I do not >> have to clean up the mess. Because of course it is not the government's business to clean up dead >> people either (and I ain't gonna do it!). ;) >> >> I can hear the snickers hitting poor John's inbox, ping, ping, ping... Oddly, the sound does my >> heart good! :):):) >> >> In the meantime, in about 2 hours I will be headed to the prison, because it is my problem. A self >> imposed problem perhaps, but mine none the less. >> >> ping, ping, ping. :) >> >> :) >> >> John W. Colby >> Colby Consulting >> >> On 10/4/2011 2:23 PM, Brad Marks wrote: >>> John, >>> >>> On several of your posts here on AccessD, you mentioned volunteer work >>> that you help with involving prisoners. >>> >>> Yesterday, I caught the tail-end of a program on Minnesota Public Radio >>> regarding a recent study that was conducted regarding the statistics of >>> prisoners getting into trouble again after they are released. I believe >>> that they said that the number 1 factor of whether a prisoner breaks the >>> law or not after being released is the number of visitors that they had >>> while in prison. (The more visitors they had while in prison, resulted >>> in much fewer repeat offenders). >>> >>> Because of the high cost of incarcerating criminals, people who visit >>> prisoners may be saving a lot of money for tax-payers and not even be >>> aware of this factor. >>> >>> I will try to see if this program is on the MPR website. If I find it, >>> I will email the link to you. Pretty interesting. >>> >>> Keep up the good work! >>> >>> Brad >>> >>> From df.waters at comcast.net Tue Oct 4 16:17:09 2011 From: df.waters at comcast.net (Dan Waters) Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2011 16:17:09 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] OT - John Colby - volunteer work with Prisons - Minnesota Public Radio program In-Reply-To: <4E8B6746.5080100@colbyconsulting.com> References: <001401cc8237$b4ac88c0$1e059a40$@com.au> <4E8B6746.5080100@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <001501cc82da$fa541e80$eefc5b80$@comcast.net> John- some of this will change in the next election. Unfortunately, too many people need to learn things the hard way. And learning that voting carefully, not emotionally, is actually important. Politics is not a reality TV show - it's real people really getting hurt. Dan -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2011 3:07 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT - John Colby - volunteer work with Prisons - Minnesota Public Radio program Brad, > Because of the high cost of incarcerating criminals, people who visit prisoners may be saving a lot of money for tax-payers and not even be aware of this factor. I have to tell you that a certain right wing political party who happens to control politics in the state of NC is slashing all spending on inmates, anything having to do with rehabilitation, and cold bloodedly expecting volunteers to pick up the costs. They attempted to cut every single chaplain position, managed to cut 1/2 of them, and will go after the remaining positions in the next budget. Cut funding for re-entry programs which attempt to help inmates acquire the skills to exist outside of prison. Basically their attitude is that it is not the government's business to help people. PERIOD. House knocked down by a tornado? Not My Problem. Floods in the northeast? NMP. Oil spill killing the gulf? NMP. Inmates handed $45 when they get out and pointed at the nearest store to rob? NMP. Well... unless I own the store of course... let me check... Nope, not my store, NMP. Unfortunately it is no longer the people's job to help people either. Well, I'm white so maybe I'll help the white folk. But not right now because there's a college football game on... Sigh. I take care of myself and my family. Maaaaaybe my mom, if she was nice to me and will put me in her will. Beyond that, if you are starving and have to die, please do so somewhere where I do not have to clean up the mess. Because of course it is not the government's business to clean up dead people either (and I ain't gonna do it!). ;) I can hear the snickers hitting poor John's inbox, ping, ping, ping... Oddly, the sound does my heart good! :):):) In the meantime, in about 2 hours I will be headed to the prison, because it is my problem. A self imposed problem perhaps, but mine none the less. ping, ping, ping. :) :) John W. Colby Colby Consulting On 10/4/2011 2:23 PM, Brad Marks wrote: > John, > > On several of your posts here on AccessD, you mentioned volunteer work > that you help with involving prisoners. > > Yesterday, I caught the tail-end of a program on Minnesota Public > Radio regarding a recent study that was conducted regarding the > statistics of prisoners getting into trouble again after they are > released. I believe that they said that the number 1 factor of > whether a prisoner breaks the law or not after being released is the > number of visitors that they had while in prison. (The more visitors > they had while in prison, resulted in much fewer repeat offenders). > > Because of the high cost of incarcerating criminals, people who visit > prisoners may be saving a lot of money for tax-payers and not even be > aware of this factor. > > I will try to see if this program is on the MPR website. If I find > it, I will email the link to you. Pretty interesting. > > Keep up the good work! > > Brad > > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au Tue Oct 4 17:18:25 2011 From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins) Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2011 09:18:25 +1100 Subject: [AccessD] Access 2010 how to In-Reply-To: <4E8B0657.7040500@colbyconsulting.com> References: <4E8B0657.7040500@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <000901cc82e3$89b37b90$9d1a72b0$@com.au> Good Luck John, I have been using it for a while now and there are still many 'features' I loathe, although a couple of other things are a big improvement. That said the Nav Pain needs to be completely scrapped and redesigned from scratch. What a stupid idea that was! Cheers Darryl -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: Wednesday, 5 October 2011 12:13 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: [AccessD] Access 2010 how to I am forced to use Access 2010 and so I am lost. How do I see the widget (pane?) on the left with all the tables, forms, queries etc. I am in a view where all I see are the tables, and oh my goodness, I see every damned thing remotely associated with every table. I so don't care about all of that stuff, though it could be useful at times. I just need to see a list of all my forms, or all my modules, or all my reports. Help me please. (My daughter Allie says that, in a plaintive little voice). -- John W. Colby Colby Consulting -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au Tue Oct 4 17:23:15 2011 From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins) Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2011 09:23:15 +1100 Subject: [AccessD] Access 2010 how to In-Reply-To: <20111005002317.gePF1h00j0xgD8Z01ePHXd@bne3-0003mz.server-mail.com> References: <4E8B0657.7040500@colbyconsulting.com> <20111005002317.gePF1h00j0xgD8Z01ePHXd@bne3-0003mz.server-mail.com> Message-ID: <000a01cc82e4$363e51f0$a2baf5d0$@com.au> " It's very obvious there was very little beta testing of this product by developers." Now this is one of the finest summations of Access 2007/2010 I have read. You are totally correct, the product often looks, acts and feels like it is still a beta version. If you are just using Access as a giant spreadsheet it is generally ok, but actually developing stuff on it is another story - at least that has been my experience. The Nav Pane is a giant leap backwards - sure it has some new functionality, but those feature could have been added to the older style layout which is far more useful to use. Cheers Darryl. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Simms Sent: Wednesday, 5 October 2011 1:20 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access 2010 how to > I am forced to use Access 2010 Someone put a gun to your head ? ;) That being said, it sure is great for end-users, But because they modified VBA, the bugs are numerous and nasty. With SP1, you've got to decompile your VBA project daily....sometimes more. It's very obvious there was very little beta testing of this product by developers. -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au Tue Oct 4 17:24:48 2011 From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins) Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2011 09:24:48 +1100 Subject: [AccessD] Crome and LogMeIn full screen mode In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000b01cc82e4$6dade8d0$4909ba70$@com.au> I use LogMeIn and Firefox without bother all the time. You need the special addin to make it work, but FF and LMI detects it is missing and prompts you to load it. Never had any issue with FF and LMI running together. I have not tried it on LMI Pro though - maybe that makes a difference? -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: Wednesday, 5 October 2011 1:26 AM To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [AccessD] Crome and LogMeIn full screen mode Hi John No, sorry, because I don't use Firefox. I use IE mostly and Chrome for some. Firefox, Safari, and Opera I never touch except for tests with Visual Studio. /gustav >>> jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com 04-10-2011 16:15 >>> I have been using Firefox exclusively for several years. Do you know what IE gives me that Firefox does not? I just gave up on IE back when it sucked so badly and Firefox gave me an alternative, and have never returned. John W. Colby Colby Consulting On 10/4/2011 10:09 AM, Gustav Brock wrote: > Hi John > > I believe IE is the only browser that works 100% with LogMeIn. > > /gustav > >>>> jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com 04-10-2011 15:51>>> > Chrome does not work correctly with LogmeIn full screen mode. In Firefox it causes the browser to > maximize and the Windows task bar to disappear as well as all of the firefox toolbars. In chrome > something happens, i.e. the screen moves around but the task / toolbars remain. -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Tue Oct 4 17:32:48 2011 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2011 18:32:48 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Crome and LogMeIn full screen mode In-Reply-To: <000b01cc82e4$6dade8d0$4909ba70$@com.au> References: <000b01cc82e4$6dade8d0$4909ba70$@com.au> Message-ID: <4E8B8990.306@colbyconsulting.com> > I use LogMeIn and Firefox without bother all the time. You need the special addin to make it work, but FF and LMI detects it is missing and prompts you to load it. As do I. It seems to work just fine. John W. Colby Colby Consulting On 10/4/2011 6:24 PM, Darryl Collins wrote: > I use LogMeIn and Firefox without bother all the time. You need the special > addin to make it work, but FF and LMI detects it is missing and prompts you > to load it. Never had any issue with FF and LMI running together. I have > not tried it on LMI Pro though - maybe that makes a difference? > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock > Sent: Wednesday, 5 October 2011 1:26 AM > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Crome and LogMeIn full screen mode > > Hi John > > No, sorry, because I don't use Firefox. > I use IE mostly and Chrome for some. Firefox, Safari, and Opera I never > touch except for tests with Visual Studio. > > /gustav > > >>>> jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com 04-10-2011 16:15>>> > I have been using Firefox exclusively for several years. Do you know what > IE gives me that Firefox > does not? I just gave up on IE back when it sucked so badly and Firefox > gave me an alternative, and > have never returned. > > John W. Colby > Colby Consulting > > On 10/4/2011 10:09 AM, Gustav Brock wrote: >> Hi John >> >> I believe IE is the only browser that works 100% with LogMeIn. >> >> /gustav >> >>>>> jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com 04-10-2011 15:51>>> >> Chrome does not work correctly with LogmeIn full screen mode. In Firefox > it causes the browser to >> maximize and the Windows task bar to disappear as well as all of the > firefox toolbars. In chrome >> something happens, i.e. the screen moves around but the task / toolbars > remain. > > From marksimms at verizon.net Tue Oct 4 17:56:27 2011 From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms) Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2011 18:56:27 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Crome and LogMeIn full screen mode In-Reply-To: <000b01cc82e4$6dade8d0$4909ba70$@com.au> References: <000b01cc82e4$6dade8d0$4909ba70$@com.au> Message-ID: <008901cc82e8$d9bf7ad0$8d3e7070$@net> Maybe. I am running the pro edition to get the file manager feature. > not tried it on LMI Pro though - maybe that makes a difference? > From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Tue Oct 4 20:51:48 2011 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2011 21:51:48 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Access 2010 how to In-Reply-To: <000901cc82e3$89b37b90$9d1a72b0$@com.au> References: <4E8B0657.7040500@colbyconsulting.com> <000901cc82e3$89b37b90$9d1a72b0$@com.au> Message-ID: <4E8BB834.2080603@colbyconsulting.com> As it turns out it uninstalled nicely. And my billing program worked flawlessly (in 2003) after it was gone. I'm happy again. John W. Colby Colby Consulting On 10/4/2011 6:18 PM, Darryl Collins wrote: > Good Luck John, > > I have been using it for a while now and there are still many 'features' I > loathe, although a couple of other things are a big improvement. That said > the Nav Pain needs to be completely scrapped and redesigned from scratch. > What a stupid idea that was! > > Cheers > Darryl > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby > Sent: Wednesday, 5 October 2011 12:13 AM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: [AccessD] Access 2010 how to > > I am forced to use Access 2010 and so I am lost. > > How do I see the widget (pane?) on the left with all the tables, forms, > queries etc. > > I am in a view where all I see are the tables, and oh my goodness, I see > every damned thing remotely > associated with every table. I so don't care about all of that stuff, > though it could be useful at > times. > > I just need to see a list of all my forms, or all my modules, or all my > reports. > > Help me please. (My daughter Allie says that, in a plaintive little voice). > From accessd at shaw.ca Wed Oct 5 03:46:53 2011 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2011 01:46:53 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] OT - John Colby - volunteer work with Prisons - Minnesota Public Radio program In-Reply-To: <4E8B6746.5080100@colbyconsulting.com> References: <001401cc8237$b4ac88c0$1e059a40$@com.au> <4E8B6746.5080100@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: You are a good man John. Jim -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2011 1:07 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT - John Colby - volunteer work with Prisons - Minnesota Public Radio program Brad, > Because of the high cost of incarcerating criminals, people who visit prisoners may be saving a lot of money for tax-payers and not even be aware of this factor. I have to tell you that a certain right wing political party who happens to control politics in the state of NC is slashing all spending on inmates, anything having to do with rehabilitation, and cold bloodedly expecting volunteers to pick up the costs. They attempted to cut every single chaplain position, managed to cut 1/2 of them, and will go after the remaining positions in the next budget. Cut funding for re-entry programs which attempt to help inmates acquire the skills to exist outside of prison. Basically their attitude is that it is not the government's business to help people. PERIOD. House knocked down by a tornado? Not My Problem. Floods in the northeast? NMP. Oil spill killing the gulf? NMP. Inmates handed $45 when they get out and pointed at the nearest store to rob? NMP. Well... unless I own the store of course... let me check... Nope, not my store, NMP. Unfortunately it is no longer the people's job to help people either. Well, I'm white so maybe I'll help the white folk. But not right now because there's a college football game on... Sigh. I take care of myself and my family. Maaaaaybe my mom, if she was nice to me and will put me in her will. Beyond that, if you are starving and have to die, please do so somewhere where I do not have to clean up the mess. Because of course it is not the government's business to clean up dead people either (and I ain't gonna do it!). ;) I can hear the snickers hitting poor John's inbox, ping, ping, ping... Oddly, the sound does my heart good! :):):) In the meantime, in about 2 hours I will be headed to the prison, because it is my problem. A self imposed problem perhaps, but mine none the less. ping, ping, ping. :) :) John W. Colby Colby Consulting On 10/4/2011 2:23 PM, Brad Marks wrote: > John, > > On several of your posts here on AccessD, you mentioned volunteer work > that you help with involving prisoners. > > Yesterday, I caught the tail-end of a program on Minnesota Public Radio > regarding a recent study that was conducted regarding the statistics of > prisoners getting into trouble again after they are released. I believe > that they said that the number 1 factor of whether a prisoner breaks the > law or not after being released is the number of visitors that they had > while in prison. (The more visitors they had while in prison, resulted > in much fewer repeat offenders). > > Because of the high cost of incarcerating criminals, people who visit > prisoners may be saving a lot of money for tax-payers and not even be > aware of this factor. > > I will try to see if this program is on the MPR website. If I find it, > I will email the link to you. Pretty interesting. > > Keep up the good work! > > Brad > > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Lambert.Heenan at chartisinsurance.com Wed Oct 5 08:35:21 2011 From: Lambert.Heenan at chartisinsurance.com (Heenan, Lambert) Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2011 09:35:21 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] OT - John Colby - volunteer work with Prisons - Minnesota Public Radio program In-Reply-To: <4E8B6746.5080100@colbyconsulting.com> References: <001401cc8237$b4ac88c0$1e059a40$@com.au> <4E8B6746.5080100@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: This is one ping from me John that says you are 110% correct. The rethuglicans only want more money for their business backers. OT I know, but heck it needs to be said on every available occasion. A "middle class" vote for the GOP is a shot in the voter's own foot. Lambert -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2011 4:07 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT - John Colby - volunteer work with Prisons - Minnesota Public Radio program Brad, > Because of the high cost of incarcerating criminals, people who visit prisoners may be saving a lot of money for tax-payers and not even be aware of this factor. I have to tell you that a certain right wing political party who happens to control politics in the state of NC is slashing all spending on inmates, anything having to do with rehabilitation, and cold bloodedly expecting volunteers to pick up the costs. They attempted to cut every single chaplain position, managed to cut 1/2 of them, and will go after the remaining positions in the next budget. Cut funding for re-entry programs which attempt to help inmates acquire the skills to exist outside of prison. Basically their attitude is that it is not the government's business to help people. PERIOD. House knocked down by a tornado? Not My Problem. Floods in the northeast? NMP. Oil spill killing the gulf? NMP. Inmates handed $45 when they get out and pointed at the nearest store to rob? NMP. Well... unless I own the store of course... let me check... Nope, not my store, NMP. Unfortunately it is no longer the people's job to help people either. Well, I'm white so maybe I'll help the white folk. But not right now because there's a college football game on... Sigh. I take care of myself and my family. Maaaaaybe my mom, if she was nice to me and will put me in her will. Beyond that, if you are starving and have to die, please do so somewhere where I do not have to clean up the mess. Because of course it is not the government's business to clean up dead people either (and I ain't gonna do it!). ;) I can hear the snickers hitting poor John's inbox, ping, ping, ping... Oddly, the sound does my heart good! :):):) In the meantime, in about 2 hours I will be headed to the prison, because it is my problem. A self imposed problem perhaps, but mine none the less. ping, ping, ping. :) :) John W. Colby Colby Consulting On 10/4/2011 2:23 PM, Brad Marks wrote: > John, > > On several of your posts here on AccessD, you mentioned volunteer work > that you help with involving prisoners. > > Yesterday, I caught the tail-end of a program on Minnesota Public > Radio regarding a recent study that was conducted regarding the > statistics of prisoners getting into trouble again after they are > released. I believe that they said that the number 1 factor of > whether a prisoner breaks the law or not after being released is the > number of visitors that they had while in prison. (The more visitors > they had while in prison, resulted in much fewer repeat offenders). > > Because of the high cost of incarcerating criminals, people who visit > prisoners may be saving a lot of money for tax-payers and not even be > aware of this factor. > > I will try to see if this program is on the MPR website. If I find > it, I will email the link to you. Pretty interesting. > > Keep up the good work! > > Brad > > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Wed Oct 5 09:36:41 2011 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2011 10:36:41 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] OT - John Colby - volunteer work with Prisons - Minnesota Public Radio program In-Reply-To: <001501cc82da$fa541e80$eefc5b80$@comcast.net> References: <001401cc8237$b4ac88c0$1e059a40$@com.au> <4E8B6746.5080100@colbyconsulting.com> <001501cc82da$fa541e80$eefc5b80$@comcast.net> Message-ID: <4E8C6B79.4050203@colbyconsulting.com> Dan, Sadly politics is broken, not just in the US but around the world. I did an 8 month training, one full weekend a month to learn to be an advocate for people with disabilities. My daughter Allie has many disabilities caused by a genetic duplication. One of the weekends was dedicated to educating us on the political system, what special interests means, lobbying and so forth. Elections are won with advertising, advertising costs money, and companies (mostly) have money. But in the end it all comes down to people. Everyone believes what they believe, are (have been) convinced of the "truth" of their belief system. Republicans really do believe that government has no business being in the "help" business, that it is the job of the people to help each other. Democrats believe the opposite. People have become jaded and believe that nobody cares any more and so stop caring themselves. Ignoring the names of the political parties, this is not an American problem it is a world problem, which occurs any time there are so many people that we no longer know our neighbors. I don't mean "know their face" I mean "get to know" our neighbors. What we were shown in that weekend is that the primary job of a politician is to get re-elected. The politician him/herself has a belief system but unless (s)he can get (re)elected (s)he cannot implement the belief system. Once elected, there are so many conflicting interests that (s)he cannot really function effectively. The system truly is broken, and probably always has been. The only hope for mankind is for us to realize that we all stand together or we all fall alone. People have to individually make an effort to help others less fortunate than ourselves. Which is a lot of work, and there is a college football game on... and after that is Dancing with the Stars... and besides, what difference can I really make? :) John W. Colby Colby Consulting On 10/4/2011 5:17 PM, Dan Waters wrote: > John- some of this will change in the next election. Unfortunately, too > many people need to learn things the hard way. And learning that voting > carefully, not emotionally, is actually important. Politics is not a > reality TV show - it's real people really getting hurt. > > Dan From fuller.artful at gmail.com Wed Oct 5 10:10:51 2011 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2011 11:10:51 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] OT - John Colby - volunteer work with Prisons - Minnesota Public Radio program In-Reply-To: <4E8C6B79.4050203@colbyconsulting.com> References: <001401cc8237$b4ac88c0$1e059a40$@com.au> <4E8B6746.5080100@colbyconsulting.com> <001501cc82da$fa541e80$eefc5b80$@comcast.net> <4E8C6B79.4050203@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: I think that you are onto something here, JWC. And I am seriously unsure of the consequences that I draw, but here they are: 1. Political parties of whatever stripe are by definition attacks on popular opinion. I don't see any other way to see this. Let us for example take a hypothetical voter who is against abortion and also against religious instruction in public schools. No party represents this theoretical person. The inevitable result is that I choose the party that shares the most number of values and propositions with me, and that SUCKS. Tomorrow is Election Day in Ontario, and various polls indicate that either the Libs or the Cons are slated to have a minority win, and in either case that means that my party, the NDP, is going to hold the balance of power. On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 10:36 AM, jwcolby wrote: > Dan, > > Sadly politics is broken, not just in the US but around the world. > > I did an 8 month training, one full weekend a month to learn to be an > advocate for people with disabilities. My daughter Allie has many > disabilities caused by a genetic duplication. One of the weekends was > dedicated to educating us on the political system, what special interests > means, lobbying and so forth. > > Elections are won with advertising, advertising costs money, and companies > (mostly) have money. But in the end it all comes down to people. Everyone > believes what they believe, are (have been) convinced of the "truth" of > their belief system. > > Republicans really do believe that government has no business being in the > "help" business, that it is the job of the people to help each other. > Democrats believe the opposite. People have become jaded and believe that > nobody cares any more and so stop caring themselves. > > Ignoring the names of the political parties, this is not an American > problem it is a world problem, which occurs any time there are so many > people that we no longer know our neighbors. I don't mean "know their face" > I mean "get to know" our neighbors. > > What we were shown in that weekend is that the primary job of a politician > is to get re-elected. The politician him/herself has a belief system but > unless (s)he can get (re)elected (s)he cannot implement the belief system. > Once elected, there are so many conflicting interests that (s)he cannot > really function effectively. > > The system truly is broken, and probably always has been. > > The only hope for mankind is for us to realize that we all stand together > or we all fall alone. People have to individually make an effort to help > others less fortunate than ourselves. Which is a lot of work, and there is > a college football game on... and after that is Dancing with the Stars... > and besides, what difference can I really make? > > > :) > > > John W. Colby > Colby Consulting > > On 10/4/2011 5:17 PM, Dan Waters wrote: > >> John- some of this will change in the next election. Unfortunately, too >> many people need to learn things the hard way. And learning that voting >> carefully, not emotionally, is actually important. Politics is not a >> reality TV show - it's real people really getting hurt. >> >> Dan >> > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.**com > From john at winhaven.net Wed Oct 5 14:13:04 2011 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2011 14:13:04 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] FW: The passing of Drew Wutka In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <00c601cc8392$cfc8a9c0$6f59fd40$@winhaven.net> Hello All, I have some sad news to share with you all. Long time lister and friend to many, Drew Wutka, passed away Monday. His friend, Ken, contacted me and a number of other board members to share this news with us because he knew that Drew participated on the DBA lists as he spoke of it often. A coworker walked by Drew's office he saw that he had his head on his desk and went in to check on him. The coworker found that he and no pulse. The paramedics were called and he was taken to the hospital where he was pronounced dead upon arrival. Ken will keep me apprised of the situation and I will pass it on to everyone as soon as he shares any further information. My deepest condolences to all of Drew's family and friends. John Bartow, President Database Advisors, Inc. Office: 920-582-7574 Mobile: 920-410-7574 From jackandpat.d at gmail.com Wed Oct 5 14:20:24 2011 From: jackandpat.d at gmail.com (jack drawbridge) Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2011 15:20:24 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] FW: The passing of Drew Wutka In-Reply-To: <00c601cc8392$cfc8a9c0$6f59fd40$@winhaven.net> References: <00c601cc8392$cfc8a9c0$6f59fd40$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: Sad news indeed. He will be missed. You could always count on Drew for another opinion/view. RIP. On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 3:13 PM, John Bartow wrote: > Hello All, > > I have some sad news to share with you all. > > > > Long time lister and friend to many, Drew Wutka, passed away Monday. > > > > His friend, Ken, contacted me and a number of other board members to share > this news with us because he knew that Drew participated on the DBA lists > as > he spoke of it often. > > > > A coworker walked by Drew's office he saw that he had his head on his desk > and went in to check on him. The coworker found that he and no pulse. The > paramedics were called and he was taken to the hospital where he was > pronounced dead upon arrival. > > > > Ken will keep me apprised of the situation and I will pass it on to > everyone > as soon as he shares any further information. > > > > My deepest condolences to all of Drew's family and friends. > > > > John Bartow, President > > Database Advisors, Inc. > > Office: 920-582-7574 > > Mobile: 920-410-7574 > > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From john at winhaven.net Wed Oct 5 14:05:41 2011 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2011 14:05:41 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] FW: The passing of Drew Wutka In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <006c01cc8391$c72acfb0$55806f10$@winhaven.net> Hello All, I have some sad news to share with you all. Long time lister and friend to many, Drew Wutka, passed away Monday. His friend, Ken, contacted me and a number of other board members to share this news with us because he knew that Drew participated on the DBA lists as he spoke of it often. A coworker walked by Drew's office he saw that he had his head on his desk and went in to check on him. The coworker found that he and no pulse. The paramedics were called and he was taken to the hospital where he was pronounced dead upon arrival. Ken will keep me apprised of the situation and I will pass it on to everyone as soon as he shares any further information. My deepest condolences to all of Drew's family and friends. John Bartow, President Database Advisors, Inc. Office: 920-582-7574 Mobile: 920-410-7574 From andy at minstersystems.co.uk Wed Oct 5 14:53:49 2011 From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey) Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2011 20:53:49 +0100 Subject: [AccessD] FW: The passing of Drew Wutka In-Reply-To: <00c601cc8392$cfc8a9c0$6f59fd40$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: That's terrible news John, but thanks for letting us know. What a shock. He'll be very sadly missed. Andy -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow Sent: 05 October 2011 20:13 To: DBA-Access Subject: [AccessD] FW: The passing of Drew Wutka Hello All, I have some sad news to share with you all. Long time lister and friend to many, Drew Wutka, passed away Monday. His friend, Ken, contacted me and a number of other board members to share this news with us because he knew that Drew participated on the DBA lists as he spoke of it often. A coworker walked by Drew's office he saw that he had his head on his desk and went in to check on him. The coworker found that he and no pulse. The paramedics were called and he was taken to the hospital where he was pronounced dead upon arrival. Ken will keep me apprised of the situation and I will pass it on to everyone as soon as he shares any further information. My deepest condolences to all of Drew's family and friends. John Bartow, President Database Advisors, Inc. Office: 920-582-7574 Mobile: 920-410-7574 -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk Wed Oct 5 15:17:56 2011 From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid) Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2011 21:17:56 +0100 Subject: [AccessD] FW: The passing of Drew Wutka Message-ID: <631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB082956A302CE159@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk> That's sad to hear. I would lime to send something to his family if we get details. Martin Sent from my Windows Phone ________________________________ From: John Bartow Sent: 05/10/2011 20:15 To: DBA-Access Subject: [AccessD] FW: The passing of Drew Wutka Hello All, I have some sad news to share with you all. Long time lister and friend to many, Drew Wutka, passed away Monday. His friend, Ken, contacted me and a number of other board members to share this news with us because he knew that Drew participated on the DBA lists as he spoke of it often. A coworker walked by Drew's office he saw that he had his head on his desk and went in to check on him. The coworker found that he and no pulse. The paramedics were called and he was taken to the hospital where he was pronounced dead upon arrival. Ken will keep me apprised of the situation and I will pass it on to everyone as soon as he shares any further information. My deepest condolences to all of Drew's family and friends. John Bartow, President Database Advisors, Inc. Office: 920-582-7574 Mobile: 920-410-7574 -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Wed Oct 5 15:28:03 2011 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2011 16:28:03 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] [dba-SQLServer] FW: The passing of Drew Wutka In-Reply-To: <010c01cc8396$44b530c0$ce1f9240$@winhaven.net> References: <00ab01cc8392$cec73f50$6c55bdf0$@winhaven.net> <010c01cc8396$44b530c0$ce1f9240$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: <4E8CBDD3.900@colbyconsulting.com> Man that will take your breath away. Drew was essentially one of our founding members. DatabaseAdvisors needs to formally express out condolences to the family. This is a sad day. John W. Colby Colby Consulting On 10/5/2011 3:37 PM, John Bartow wrote: > Ken will be keeping me apprised of any further info including next of kin. > I'll pass along anything I receive. > > Drew's daughter is only 12 so I'm sure we need to be careful on how we > communicate on this. > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve > Erbach > Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2011 2:19 PM > To: Discussion concerning MS SQL Server > Subject: Re: [dba-SQLServer] FW: The passing of Drew Wutka > > John, > > Do you have contact info for his next of kin? > > Regards, > > Steve Erbach > Neenah, WI > > On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 2:13 PM, John Bartow wrote: > >> Hello All, >> >> I have some sad news to share with you all. >> >> >> >> Long time lister and friend to many, Drew Wutka, passed away Monday. >> >> >> >> His friend, Ken, contacted me and a number of other board members to >> share this news with us because he knew that Drew participated on the >> DBA lists as he spoke of it often. >> >> >> >> A coworker walked by Drew's office he saw that he had his head on his >> desk and went in to check on him. The coworker found that he and no >> pulse. The paramedics were called and he was taken to the hospital >> where he was pronounced dead upon arrival. >> >> >> >> Ken will keep me apprised of the situation and I will pass it on to >> everyone as soon as he shares any further information. >> >> >> >> My deepest condolences to all of Drew's family and friends. >> >> >> >> John Bartow, President >> >> Database Advisors, Inc. >> >> Office: 920-582-7574 >> >> Mobile: 920-410-7574 >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-SQLServer mailing list >> dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-sqlserver >> http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> > > > -- > Regards, > > Steve Erbach > Neenah, WI > http://www.NeenahPolitics.com > http://www.TheTownCrank.com > _______________________________________________ > dba-SQLServer mailing list > dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-sqlserver > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-SQLServer mailing list > dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-sqlserver > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > From john at winhaven.net Wed Oct 5 15:30:39 2011 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2011 15:30:39 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] FW: The passing of Drew Wutka In-Reply-To: <631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB082956A302CE159@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk> References: <631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB082956A302CE159@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk> Message-ID: <014701cc839d$a5a50020$f0ef0060$@winhaven.net> Ken will be keeping me apprised of any further info including next of kin. I'll pass along anything I receive. Drew's daughter, Hannah, is only 12 so I'm sure we need to be careful on how we communicate on this. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Martin Reid Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2011 3:18 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] FW: The passing of Drew Wutka That's sad to hear. I would lime to send something to his family if we get details. Martin Sent from my Windows Phone ________________________________ From: John Bartow Sent: 05/10/2011 20:15 To: DBA-Access Subject: [AccessD] FW: The passing of Drew Wutka Hello All, I have some sad news to share with you all. Long time lister and friend to many, Drew Wutka, passed away Monday. His friend, Ken, contacted me and a number of other board members to share this news with us because he knew that Drew participated on the DBA lists as he spoke of it often. A coworker walked by Drew's office he saw that he had his head on his desk and went in to check on him. The coworker found that he and no pulse. The paramedics were called and he was taken to the hospital where he was pronounced dead upon arrival. Ken will keep me apprised of the situation and I will pass it on to everyone as soon as he shares any further information. My deepest condolences to all of Drew's family and friends. John Bartow, President Database Advisors, Inc. Office: 920-582-7574 Mobile: 920-410-7574 -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From steve at datamanagementsolutions.biz Wed Oct 5 16:11:09 2011 From: steve at datamanagementsolutions.biz (Steve Schapel) Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2011 10:11:09 +1300 Subject: [AccessD] FW: The passing of Drew Wutka In-Reply-To: <00c601cc8392$cfc8a9c0$6f59fd40$@winhaven.net> References: <00c601cc8392$cfc8a9c0$6f59fd40$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: Thanks for letting us know, John. I have huge respect for Drew, his knowledge and the contributions he made to this group. This is very sad news indeed. Regards Steve -----Original Message----- From: John Bartow Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2011 8:13 AM To: DBA-Access Subject: [AccessD] FW: The passing of Drew Wutka Hello All, I have some sad news to share with you all. Long time lister and friend to many, Drew Wutka, passed away Monday. His friend, Ken, contacted me and a number of other board members to share this news with us because he knew that Drew participated on the DBA lists as he spoke of it often. A coworker walked by Drew's office he saw that he had his head on his desk and went in to check on him. The coworker found that he and no pulse. The paramedics were called and he was taken to the hospital where he was pronounced dead upon arrival. Ken will keep me apprised of the situation and I will pass it on to everyone as soon as he shares any further information. My deepest condolences to all of Drew's family and friends. John Bartow, President Database Advisors, Inc. Office: 920-582-7574 Mobile: 920-410-7574 -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From charlotte.foust at gmail.com Wed Oct 5 16:21:46 2011 From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust) Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2011 14:21:46 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] FW: The passing of Drew Wutka In-Reply-To: References: <00c601cc8392$cfc8a9c0$6f59fd40$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: Drew always seemed like a perennial young adult. I am stunned to hear of his death. As a grief coach, I'd also like to extend my services at no charge to any of you who need them. It would cost you nothing but a phone call. If you want to discuss it, please email me off list. Charlotte Foust On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 2:11 PM, Steve Schapel < steve at datamanagementsolutions.biz> wrote: > Thanks for letting us know, John. I have huge respect for Drew, his > knowledge and the contributions he made to this group. This is very sad > news indeed. > > Regards > Steve > > -----Original Message----- From: John Bartow > Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2011 8:13 AM > > To: DBA-Access > Subject: [AccessD] FW: The passing of Drew Wutka > > Hello All, > > I have some sad news to share with you all. > > > > Long time lister and friend to many, Drew Wutka, passed away Monday. > > > > His friend, Ken, contacted me and a number of other board members to share > this news with us because he knew that Drew participated on the DBA lists > as > he spoke of it often. > > > > A coworker walked by Drew's office he saw that he had his head on his desk > and went in to check on him. The coworker found that he and no pulse. The > paramedics were called and he was taken to the hospital where he was > pronounced dead upon arrival. > > > > Ken will keep me apprised of the situation and I will pass it on to > everyone > as soon as he shares any further information. > > > > My deepest condolences to all of Drew's family and friends. > > > > John Bartow, President > > Database Advisors, Inc. > > Office: 920-582-7574 > > Mobile: 920-410-7574 > > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/accessd > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.**com > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/accessd > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.**com > > > From ssharkins at gmail.com Wed Oct 5 16:28:26 2011 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2011 17:28:26 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] FW: The passing of Drew Wutka References: <00c601cc8392$cfc8a9c0$6f59fd40$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: You're sweet. ;) Susan H. > Drew always seemed like a perennial young adult. I am stunned to hear of > his death. As a grief coach, I'd also like to extend my services at no > charge to any of you who need them. It would cost you nothing but a phone > call. If you want to discuss it, please email me off list. From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au Wed Oct 5 17:52:34 2011 From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins) Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2011 09:52:34 +1100 Subject: [AccessD] FW: The passing of Drew Wutka In-Reply-To: <014701cc839d$a5a50020$f0ef0060$@winhaven.net> References: <631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB082956A302CE159@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk> <014701cc839d$a5a50020$f0ef0060$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: <000901cc83b1$792faf40$6b8f0dc0$@com.au> Thanks John, Please let us know. I would be happy to chip in something for the family. That is really sad, his daughter is young too. :-/ Regards Darryl. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow Sent: Thursday, 6 October 2011 7:31 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] FW: The passing of Drew Wutka Ken will be keeping me apprised of any further info including next of kin. I'll pass along anything I receive. Drew's daughter, Hannah, is only 12 so I'm sure we need to be careful on how we communicate on this. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Martin Reid Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2011 3:18 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] FW: The passing of Drew Wutka That's sad to hear. I would lime to send something to his family if we get details. Martin Sent from my Windows Phone ________________________________ From: John Bartow Sent: 05/10/2011 20:15 To: DBA-Access Subject: [AccessD] FW: The passing of Drew Wutka Hello All, I have some sad news to share with you all. Long time lister and friend to many, Drew Wutka, passed away Monday. His friend, Ken, contacted me and a number of other board members to share this news with us because he knew that Drew participated on the DBA lists as he spoke of it often. A coworker walked by Drew's office he saw that he had his head on his desk and went in to check on him. The coworker found that he and no pulse. The paramedics were called and he was taken to the hospital where he was pronounced dead upon arrival. Ken will keep me apprised of the situation and I will pass it on to everyone as soon as he shares any further information. My deepest condolences to all of Drew's family and friends. John Bartow, President Database Advisors, Inc. Office: 920-582-7574 Mobile: 920-410-7574 -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From john at winhaven.net Wed Oct 5 18:11:35 2011 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2011 18:11:35 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] FW: Drew Wutka's Services In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <01b201cc83b4$214d2e80$63e78b80$@winhaven.net> Forwarded From Ken: I spoke with Drew's mom and told her the many wonderful and kind things you guys have written about Drew.? I told her I could forward them and she was excited, so I did in fact send them to her.? ? If you have anything you can share I am certain she and Hannah, and his Dad would love it.? Her email address is: nwutka at sbcglobal.com The following is the information relating to his services: Viewing at Turrentine Jackson Morrow I-75 and ridgeview Thursday 6-7 972-562-2601 Preston Meadow Lutheran 10:30 Friday after back to church for light lunch 972-618-2233 Please feel free to contact me and share this information as you deem necessary. Kenneth Van Huss ? VanGard Systems Office (214) 801-4357 ext 335 Fax??? (214) 299-8597 Cell??? (214) 243-5659 kvanhuss at airrsystem.com From john at winhaven.net Wed Oct 5 18:21:04 2011 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2011 18:21:04 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Drew Wutka memorial ideas Message-ID: <01b301cc83b5$741defe0$5c59cfa0$@winhaven.net> Hello Listers, While I agree that we should do something as a group, I also encourage you all to act on your own accord. As Ken mentioned in his email that I just sent out, his family was very happy to hear of our fond thoughts and reminiscing's of Drew. I encourage you to send emails, Facebooks postings, cards, etc. I would like to see what everyone would like to do for Drew. A couple of ideas were to send something to his service from DBA, collect for a DBA memorial fund to aid his daughter Hannah. Any other ideas? John Bartow WinHaven Consulting PO Box 130 Winneconne, WI 54986 Office: 920-582-7574 Mobile: 920-410-7574 From robert at servicexp.com Wed Oct 5 18:25:44 2011 From: robert at servicexp.com (Robert) Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2011 19:25:44 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] FW: The passing of Drew Wutka In-Reply-To: <00c601cc8392$cfc8a9c0$6f59fd40$@winhaven.net> References: <00c601cc8392$cfc8a9c0$6f59fd40$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: <000f01cc83b6$25b3ab00$711b0100$@com> So sad indeed. I'm at a loss for words....... ...Lord strengthen and comfort Drew's family during this very difficult time... Robert -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2011 3:13 PM To: DBA-Access Subject: [AccessD] FW: The passing of Drew Wutka Hello All, I have some sad news to share with you all. Long time lister and friend to many, Drew Wutka, passed away Monday. His friend, Ken, contacted me and a number of other board members to share this news with us because he knew that Drew participated on the DBA lists as he spoke of it often. A coworker walked by Drew's office he saw that he had his head on his desk and went in to check on him. The coworker found that he and no pulse. The paramedics were called and he was taken to the hospital where he was pronounced dead upon arrival. Ken will keep me apprised of the situation and I will pass it on to everyone as soon as he shares any further information. My deepest condolences to all of Drew's family and friends. John Bartow, President Database Advisors, Inc. Office: 920-582-7574 Mobile: 920-410-7574 -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From charlotte.foust at gmail.com Wed Oct 5 19:04:10 2011 From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust) Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2011 17:04:10 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Drew Wutka memorial ideas In-Reply-To: <01b301cc83b5$741defe0$5c59cfa0$@winhaven.net> References: <01b301cc83b5$741defe0$5c59cfa0$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: One of the things that is especially helpful to children struggling with grief is a memory book. Since our memories of Drew are "virtual", we couldn't contribute photos or such, but the archives must have many threads that include the outrageous exchanges we had over the years with Drew in there fanning the flames. I wonder if it would be possible to put something together with snippets of his humor and insight and some typical teasing that might serve to remind her as the years pass of the kind of person her father was. Those could be put together in a scrapbook of sorts using online services and sent to Drew's family. We could even collaborate with them in creating something like that that included photos and such they would like to use to remember him and to preserve his memory. I we covered the cost, that would be a great memorial, and we could provide copies for each member of his family. Charlotte Foust On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 4:21 PM, John Bartow wrote: > Hello Listers, > While I agree that we should do something as a group, I also encourage you > all to act on your own accord. As Ken mentioned in his email that I just > sent out, his family was very happy to hear of our fond thoughts and > reminiscing's of Drew. I encourage you to send emails, Facebooks postings, > cards, etc. > > I would like to see what everyone would like to do for Drew. A couple of > ideas were to send something to his service from DBA, collect for a DBA > memorial fund to aid his daughter Hannah. > > Any other ideas? > > John Bartow > WinHaven Consulting > PO Box 130 > Winneconne, WI 54986 > Office: 920-582-7574 > Mobile: 920-410-7574 > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > From ssharkins at gmail.com Wed Oct 5 19:25:25 2011 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2011 20:25:25 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Drew Wutka memorial ideas References: <01b301cc83b5$741defe0$5c59cfa0$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: I was trying to think if his mom would like my copies of the articles we wrote -- some of them were in print, in IMA and a few others. I thought about sending her the actual journals. It seems kind of silly, they won't really want to read them, but... do you think she'd want them? He probably got a copy, but if they find them, they probably won't realize what they're dealing with -- will most likely think they're just old technical journals and throw them out. On the other hand, they might not care -- I just don't know -- it's not like they're great literature or anything, but I think... if it were my son, I'd want them. I just don't know what to do. Susan H. > One of the things that is especially helpful to children struggling with > grief is a memory book. Since our memories of Drew are "virtual", we > couldn't contribute photos or such, but the archives must have many > threads > that include the outrageous exchanges we had over the years with Drew in > there fanning the flames. I wonder if it would be possible to put > something > together with snippets of his humor and insight and some typical teasing > that might serve to remind her as the years pass of the kind of person her > father was. Those could be put together in a scrapbook of sorts using > online services and sent to Drew's family. We could even collaborate with > them in creating something like that that included photos and such they > would like to use to remember him and to preserve his memory. I we > covered > the cost, that would be a great memorial, and we could provide copies for > each member of his family. From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au Wed Oct 5 19:31:00 2011 From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins) Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2011 11:31:00 +1100 Subject: [AccessD] Drew Wutka memorial ideas In-Reply-To: References: <01b301cc83b5$741defe0$5c59cfa0$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: <001101cc83bf$39212f10$ab638d30$@com.au> Email her and ask what she thinks. I always find these situations a bit tricky - some folks throw a lot of things out and others want to keep them. I guess all you can do is ask and respond appropriately. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins Sent: Thursday, 6 October 2011 11:25 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Drew Wutka memorial ideas I was trying to think if his mom would like my copies of the articles we wrote -- some of them were in print, in IMA and a few others. I thought about sending her the actual journals. It seems kind of silly, they won't really want to read them, but... do you think she'd want them? He probably got a copy, but if they find them, they probably won't realize what they're dealing with -- will most likely think they're just old technical journals and throw them out. On the other hand, they might not care -- I just don't know -- it's not like they're great literature or anything, but I think... if it were my son, I'd want them. I just don't know what to do. Susan H. > One of the things that is especially helpful to children struggling with > grief is a memory book. Since our memories of Drew are "virtual", we > couldn't contribute photos or such, but the archives must have many > threads > that include the outrageous exchanges we had over the years with Drew in > there fanning the flames. I wonder if it would be possible to put > something > together with snippets of his humor and insight and some typical teasing > that might serve to remind her as the years pass of the kind of person her > father was. Those could be put together in a scrapbook of sorts using > online services and sent to Drew's family. We could even collaborate with > them in creating something like that that included photos and such they > would like to use to remember him and to preserve his memory. I we > covered > the cost, that would be a great memorial, and we could provide copies for > each member of his family. -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Wed Oct 5 19:40:18 2011 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2011 17:40:18 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Drew Wutka memorial ideas In-Reply-To: References: <01b301cc83b5$741defe0$5c59cfa0$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: "if it were my son, I'd want them." There's you answer, I think. Maybe Hanna will read them one day. Anyway, I think that's a wonderful idea, and a wonderful legacy for them to have. R -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2011 5:25 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Drew Wutka memorial ideas I was trying to think if his mom would like my copies of the articles we wrote -- some of them were in print, in IMA and a few others. I thought about sending her the actual journals. It seems kind of silly, they won't really want to read them, but... do you think she'd want them? He probably got a copy, but if they find them, they probably won't realize what they're dealing with -- will most likely think they're just old technical journals and throw them out. On the other hand, they might not care -- I just don't know -- it's not like they're great literature or anything, but I think... if it were my son, I'd want them. I just don't know what to do. Susan H. > One of the things that is especially helpful to children struggling > with grief is a memory book. Since our memories of Drew are > "virtual", we couldn't contribute photos or such, but the archives > must have many threads that include the outrageous exchanges we had > over the years with Drew in there fanning the flames. I wonder if it > would be possible to put something together with snippets of his humor > and insight and some typical teasing that might serve to remind her as > the years pass of the kind of person her father was. Those could be > put together in a scrapbook of sorts using online services and sent to > Drew's family. We could even collaborate with them in creating > something like that that included photos and such they would like to > use to remember him and to preserve his memory. I we covered the > cost, that would be a great memorial, and we could provide copies for > each member of his family. -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From marksimms at verizon.net Wed Oct 5 20:27:01 2011 From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms) Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2011 21:27:01 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Drew Wutka memorial ideas In-Reply-To: References: <01b301cc83b5$741defe0$5c59cfa0$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: <006701cc83c7$0c766cc0$25634640$@net> I'll definitely "chip in". I know this is not a warm and fuzzy way of doing it, but would PayPal be out of the question here ? I mean...it's at least convenient. The recipient could establish an account there within days. From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Wed Oct 5 20:32:09 2011 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2011 21:32:09 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Drew Wutka memorial ideas In-Reply-To: References: <01b301cc83b5$741defe0$5c59cfa0$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: <4E8D0519.8080301@colbyconsulting.com> I think they should be forwarded to the family. They might not know he was "published". John W. Colby Colby Consulting On 10/5/2011 8:25 PM, Susan Harkins wrote: > I was trying to think if his mom would like my copies of the articles we wrote -- some of them were > in print, in IMA and a few others. I thought about sending her the actual journals. It seems kind of > silly, they won't really want to read them, but... do you think she'd want them? He probably got a > copy, but if they find them, they probably won't realize what they're dealing with -- will most > likely think they're just old technical journals and throw them out. On the other hand, they might > not care -- I just don't know -- it's not like they're great literature or anything, but I think... > if it were my son, I'd want them. I just don't know what to do. > > Susan H. > > >> One of the things that is especially helpful to children struggling with >> grief is a memory book. Since our memories of Drew are "virtual", we >> couldn't contribute photos or such, but the archives must have many threads >> that include the outrageous exchanges we had over the years with Drew in >> there fanning the flames. I wonder if it would be possible to put something >> together with snippets of his humor and insight and some typical teasing >> that might serve to remind her as the years pass of the kind of person her >> father was. Those could be put together in a scrapbook of sorts using >> online services and sent to Drew's family. We could even collaborate with >> them in creating something like that that included photos and such they >> would like to use to remember him and to preserve his memory. I we covered >> the cost, that would be a great memorial, and we could provide copies for >> each member of his family. > From kvanhuss at airrsystem.com Wed Oct 5 21:38:22 2011 From: kvanhuss at airrsystem.com (Kenneth W Van Huss) Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2011 21:38:22 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Drew Wutka memorial ideas In-Reply-To: References: <01b301cc83b5$741defe0$5c59cfa0$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: FWIW, if my opinion accounts, Charlotte's idea sounds like something the family would like. Kenneth Van Huss VanGard Systems Office (214) 801-4357 ext 335 Fax (214) 299-8597 Cell (214) 243-5659 kvanhuss at airrsystem.com ================================================================ This message and all attachments transmitted with it may contain legally privileged/proprietary information intended solely for the use of the addressee. If this email is not intended for you, and you are not responsible for the delivery of this email message to the addressee, do not keep, copy or deliver this email message to anyone. Please destroy this email in its entirety and notify the sender by reply email. Your cooperation is appreciated. ================================================================== ??In consideration of the environment ? please do not print this email unless absolutely necessary. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2011 7:04 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Drew Wutka memorial ideas One of the things that is especially helpful to children struggling with grief is a memory book. Since our memories of Drew are "virtual", we couldn't contribute photos or such, but the archives must have many threads that include the outrageous exchanges we had over the years with Drew in there fanning the flames. I wonder if it would be possible to put something together with snippets of his humor and insight and some typical teasing that might serve to remind her as the years pass of the kind of person her father was. Those could be put together in a scrapbook of sorts using online services and sent to Drew's family. We could even collaborate with them in creating something like that that included photos and such they would like to use to remember him and to preserve his memory. I we covered the cost, that would be a great memorial, and we could provide copies for each member of his family. Charlotte Foust On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 4:21 PM, John Bartow wrote: > Hello Listers, > While I agree that we should do something as a group, I also encourage > you all to act on your own accord. As Ken mentioned in his email that > I just sent out, his family was very happy to hear of our fond > thoughts and reminiscing's of Drew. I encourage you to send emails, > Facebooks postings, cards, etc. > > I would like to see what everyone would like to do for Drew. A couple > of ideas were to send something to his service from DBA, collect for a > DBA memorial fund to aid his daughter Hannah. > > Any other ideas? > > John Bartow > WinHaven Consulting > PO Box 130 > Winneconne, WI 54986 > Office: 920-582-7574 > Mobile: 920-410-7574 > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From kvanhuss at airrsystem.com Wed Oct 5 21:40:13 2011 From: kvanhuss at airrsystem.com (Kenneth W Van Huss) Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2011 21:40:13 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Drew Wutka memorial ideas In-Reply-To: References: <01b301cc83b5$741defe0$5c59cfa0$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: I too believe that the family would like it. You can also email her and ask if it is something they would like for themselves or for Hannah. Respectfully, Kenneth Van Huss VanGard Systems Office (214) 801-4357 ext 335 Fax (214) 299-8597 Cell (214) 243-5659 kvanhuss at airrsystem.com ================================================================ This message and all attachments transmitted with it may contain legally privileged/proprietary information intended solely for the use of the addressee. If this email is not intended for you, and you are not responsible for the delivery of this email message to the addressee, do not keep, copy or deliver this email message to anyone. Please destroy this email in its entirety and notify the sender by reply email. Your cooperation is appreciated. ================================================================== ??In consideration of the environment ? please do not print this email unless absolutely necessary. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2011 7:25 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Drew Wutka memorial ideas I was trying to think if his mom would like my copies of the articles we wrote -- some of them were in print, in IMA and a few others. I thought about sending her the actual journals. It seems kind of silly, they won't really want to read them, but... do you think she'd want them? He probably got a copy, but if they find them, they probably won't realize what they're dealing with -- will most likely think they're just old technical journals and throw them out. On the other hand, they might not care -- I just don't know -- it's not like they're great literature or anything, but I think... if it were my son, I'd want them. I just don't know what to do. Susan H. > One of the things that is especially helpful to children struggling > with grief is a memory book. Since our memories of Drew are > "virtual", we couldn't contribute photos or such, but the archives > must have many threads that include the outrageous exchanges we had > over the years with Drew in there fanning the flames. I wonder if it > would be possible to put something together with snippets of his humor > and insight and some typical teasing that might serve to remind her as > the years pass of the kind of person her father was. Those could be > put together in a scrapbook of sorts using online services and sent to > Drew's family. We could even collaborate with them in creating > something like that that included photos and such they would like to > use to remember him and to preserve his memory. I we covered the > cost, that would be a great memorial, and we could provide copies for > each member of his family. -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From edzedz at comcast.net Wed Oct 5 21:44:48 2011 From: edzedz at comcast.net (Edward Zuris) Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2011 20:44:48 -0600 Subject: [AccessD] FW: The passing of Drew Wutka In-Reply-To: <00c601cc8392$cfc8a9c0$6f59fd40$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: <000a01cc83d1$ea0ee530$5bdea8c0@edz1> So Sad. . . . -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2011 1:13 PM To: DBA-Access Subject: [AccessD] FW: The passing of Drew Wutka Hello All, I have some sad news to share with you all. Long time lister and friend to many, Drew Wutka, passed away Monday. His friend, Ken, contacted me and a number of other board members to share this news with us because he knew that Drew participated on the DBA lists as he spoke of it often. A coworker walked by Drew's office he saw that he had his head on his desk and went in to check on him. The coworker found that he and no pulse. The paramedics were called and he was taken to the hospital where he was pronounced dead upon arrival. Ken will keep me apprised of the situation and I will pass it on to everyone as soon as he shares any further information. My deepest condolences to all of Drew's family and friends. John Bartow, President Database Advisors, Inc. Office: 920-582-7574 Mobile: 920-410-7574 -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Wed Oct 5 20:02:18 2011 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2011 21:02:18 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] A person that I have never met has passed Message-ID: Over the past 10 years or so, I have had about 1000 e-conversations with Drew Wutka, and have come to regard him as one of the sharpest knives in the drawer. He has taught me a lot about programming. He had a beautiful style in his code, minimalist to the max. You could look at his code and not cut a single line. He was absolutely brilliant, and always willing to share his code. Iearned a ton from him, and I shall miss him on every future day. Arthur From jimdettman at verizon.net Thu Oct 6 06:45:02 2011 From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman) Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2011 07:45:02 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] FW: The passing of Drew Wutka In-Reply-To: <00c601cc8392$cfc8a9c0$6f59fd40$@winhaven.net> References: <00c601cc8392$cfc8a9c0$6f59fd40$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: Wow...very sad to hear of his passing. I loved reading Drew's comments on the list. Sad too that he left behind a daughter so young. It's tough enough to loose a parent as an adult. I can't imagine loosing a parent at such a young age. Count me in as well for whatever everyone feels might be a fitting memorial. Jim. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2011 03:13 PM To: DBA-Access Subject: [AccessD] FW: The passing of Drew Wutka Hello All, I have some sad news to share with you all. Long time lister and friend to many, Drew Wutka, passed away Monday. His friend, Ken, contacted me and a number of other board members to share this news with us because he knew that Drew participated on the DBA lists as he spoke of it often. A coworker walked by Drew's office he saw that he had his head on his desk and went in to check on him. The coworker found that he and no pulse. The paramedics were called and he was taken to the hospital where he was pronounced dead upon arrival. Ken will keep me apprised of the situation and I will pass it on to everyone as soon as he shares any further information. My deepest condolences to all of Drew's family and friends. John Bartow, President Database Advisors, Inc. Office: 920-582-7574 Mobile: 920-410-7574 -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From tinanfields at torchlake.com Thu Oct 6 07:02:43 2011 From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields) Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2011 08:02:43 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Drew Wutka memorial ideas In-Reply-To: References: <01b301cc83b5$741defe0$5c59cfa0$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: <4E8D98E3.7020909@torchlake.com> I think this is a wonderful idea. How may I help? T Tina Norris Fields tinanfields at torchlake.com 231-322-2787 On 10/5/2011 8:04 PM, Charlotte Foust wrote: > One of the things that is especially helpful to children struggling with > grief is a memory book. Since our memories of Drew are "virtual", we > couldn't contribute photos or such, but the archives must have many threads > that include the outrageous exchanges we had over the years with Drew in > there fanning the flames. I wonder if it would be possible to put something > together with snippets of his humor and insight and some typical teasing > that might serve to remind her as the years pass of the kind of person her > father was. Those could be put together in a scrapbook of sorts using > online services and sent to Drew's family. We could even collaborate with > them in creating something like that that included photos and such they > would like to use to remember him and to preserve his memory. I we covered > the cost, that would be a great memorial, and we could provide copies for > each member of his family. > > Charlotte Foust > > On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 4:21 PM, John Bartow wrote: > >> Hello Listers, >> While I agree that we should do something as a group, I also encourage you >> all to act on your own accord. As Ken mentioned in his email that I just >> sent out, his family was very happy to hear of our fond thoughts and >> reminiscing's of Drew. I encourage you to send emails, Facebooks postings, >> cards, etc. >> >> I would like to see what everyone would like to do for Drew. A couple of >> ideas were to send something to his service from DBA, collect for a DBA >> memorial fund to aid his daughter Hannah. >> >> Any other ideas? >> >> John Bartow >> WinHaven Consulting >> PO Box 130 >> Winneconne, WI 54986 >> Office: 920-582-7574 >> Mobile: 920-410-7574 >> >> >> -- >> AccessD mailing list >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >> >> >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> >> From rusty.hammond at cpiqpc.com Thu Oct 6 09:07:24 2011 From: rusty.hammond at cpiqpc.com (Rusty Hammond) Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2011 09:07:24 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Drew Wutka memorial ideas In-Reply-To: <4E8D0519.8080301@colbyconsulting.com> References: <01b301cc83b5$741defe0$5c59cfa0$@winhaven.net> <4E8D0519.8080301@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <49A286ABF515E94A8505CD14DEB721701744A1CA@CPIEMAIL-EVS1.CPIQPC.NET> I know I don't post a lot but I have been subscribed to this list for a few years. It was very obvious how well respected Drew was on this list and I think the family would really like to know that. Small world, turns out my wife has been working with Drew's sister-in-law (married to Drew's brother) for a few years now. They are reading tutors and sit right next to each other every day. My jaw dropped when my wife told me last night about Amy's brother-in-law passing away this week. I would be glad to help get any condolences, memories, etc to the family. Rusty Hammond -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2011 8:32 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Drew Wutka memorial ideas I think they should be forwarded to the family. They might not know he was "published". John W. Colby Colby Consulting On 10/5/2011 8:25 PM, Susan Harkins wrote: > I was trying to think if his mom would like my copies of the articles > we wrote -- some of them were in print, in IMA and a few others. I > thought about sending her the actual journals. It seems kind of silly, > they won't really want to read them, but... do you think she'd want > them? He probably got a copy, but if they find them, they probably > won't realize what they're dealing with -- will most likely think they're just old technical journals and throw them out. On the other hand, they might not care -- I just don't know -- it's not like they're great literature or anything, but I think... > if it were my son, I'd want them. I just don't know what to do. > > Susan H. > > >> One of the things that is especially helpful to children struggling >> with grief is a memory book. Since our memories of Drew are >> "virtual", we couldn't contribute photos or such, but the archives >> must have many threads that include the outrageous exchanges we had >> over the years with Drew in there fanning the flames. I wonder if it >> would be possible to put something together with snippets of his >> humor and insight and some typical teasing that might serve to remind >> her as the years pass of the kind of person her father was. Those >> could be put together in a scrapbook of sorts using online services >> and sent to Drew's family. We could even collaborate with them in >> creating something like that that included photos and such they would >> like to use to remember him and to preserve his memory. I we covered >> the cost, that would be a great memorial, and we could provide copies for each member of his family. > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com ********************************************************************** WARNING: All e-mail sent to and from this address will be received, scanned or otherwise recorded by the CPI Qualified Plan Consultants, Inc. corporate e-mail system and is subject to archival, monitoring or review by, and/or disclosure to, someone other than the recipient. ********************************************************************** From markamatte at hotmail.com Thu Oct 6 10:28:21 2011 From: markamatte at hotmail.com (Mark A Matte) Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2011 15:28:21 +0000 Subject: [AccessD] Drew Wutka memorial ideas In-Reply-To: <4E8D0519.8080301@colbyconsulting.com> References: <01b301cc83b5$741defe0$5c59cfa0$@winhaven.net>, , , <4E8D0519.8080301@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: I agree. Drew was also listed as "one of the giants of AccessD" in Martin's book. Not sure his family knows that...but I think this is a good representation of how he was viewed and appreciated by the list as a whole. Mark A. Matte > Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2011 21:32:09 -0400 > From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Drew Wutka memorial ideas > > I think they should be forwarded to the family. They might not know he was "published". > > John W. Colby > Colby Consulting > > On 10/5/2011 8:25 PM, Susan Harkins wrote: > > I was trying to think if his mom would like my copies of the articles we wrote -- some of them were > > in print, in IMA and a few others. I thought about sending her the actual journals. It seems kind of > > silly, they won't really want to read them, but... do you think she'd want them? He probably got a > > copy, but if they find them, they probably won't realize what they're dealing with -- will most > > likely think they're just old technical journals and throw them out. On the other hand, they might > > not care -- I just don't know -- it's not like they're great literature or anything, but I think... > > if it were my son, I'd want them. I just don't know what to do. > > > > Susan H. > > > > > >> One of the things that is especially helpful to children struggling with > >> grief is a memory book. Since our memories of Drew are "virtual", we > >> couldn't contribute photos or such, but the archives must have many threads > >> that include the outrageous exchanges we had over the years with Drew in > >> there fanning the flames. I wonder if it would be possible to put something > >> together with snippets of his humor and insight and some typical teasing > >> that might serve to remind her as the years pass of the kind of person her > >> father was. Those could be put together in a scrapbook of sorts using > >> online services and sent to Drew's family. We could even collaborate with > >> them in creating something like that that included photos and such they > >> would like to use to remember him and to preserve his memory. I we covered > >> the cost, that would be a great memorial, and we could provide copies for > >> each member of his family. > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From markamatte at hotmail.com Thu Oct 6 11:51:48 2011 From: markamatte at hotmail.com (Mark A Matte) Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2011 16:51:48 +0000 Subject: [AccessD] Drew Wutka memorial ideas In-Reply-To: References: <01b301cc83b5$741defe0$5c59cfa0$@winhaven.net>, , , , , , <4E8D0519.8080301@colbyconsulting.com>, Message-ID: For those who might not remember we have some pictures on accesD... http://www.databaseadvisors.com/newsletters/bio_pages/bio_drew.asp > From: markamatte at hotmail.com > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com > Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2011 15:28:21 +0000 > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Drew Wutka memorial ideas > > > I agree. Drew was also listed as "one of the giants of AccessD" in Martin's book. > > Not sure his family knows that...but I think this is a good representation of how he was viewed and appreciated by the list as a whole. > > Mark A. Matte > > > > > > Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2011 21:32:09 -0400 > > From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com > > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Drew Wutka memorial ideas > > > > I think they should be forwarded to the family. They might not know he was "published". > > > > John W. Colby > > Colby Consulting > > > > On 10/5/2011 8:25 PM, Susan Harkins wrote: > > > I was trying to think if his mom would like my copies of the articles we wrote -- some of them were > > > in print, in IMA and a few others. I thought about sending her the actual journals. It seems kind of > > > silly, they won't really want to read them, but... do you think she'd want them? He probably got a > > > copy, but if they find them, they probably won't realize what they're dealing with -- will most > > > likely think they're just old technical journals and throw them out. On the other hand, they might > > > not care -- I just don't know -- it's not like they're great literature or anything, but I think... > > > if it were my son, I'd want them. I just don't know what to do. > > > > > > Susan H. > > > > > > > > >> One of the things that is especially helpful to children struggling with > > >> grief is a memory book. Since our memories of Drew are "virtual", we > > >> couldn't contribute photos or such, but the archives must have many threads > > >> that include the outrageous exchanges we had over the years with Drew in > > >> there fanning the flames. I wonder if it would be possible to put something > > >> together with snippets of his humor and insight and some typical teasing > > >> that might serve to remind her as the years pass of the kind of person her > > >> father was. Those could be put together in a scrapbook of sorts using > > >> online services and sent to Drew's family. We could even collaborate with > > >> them in creating something like that that included photos and such they > > >> would like to use to remember him and to preserve his memory. I we covered > > >> the cost, that would be a great memorial, and we could provide copies for > > >> each member of his family. > > > > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From BradM at blackforestltd.com Thu Oct 6 14:46:50 2011 From: BradM at blackforestltd.com (Brad Marks) Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2011 14:46:50 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] How to insert a record into an Access table that has an "Attachment" field (with VBA code) References: <4E591854.8090208@colbyconsulting.com><6BAD4B05F0474F8083137B9C25B1038C@HAL9007><4E597AE8.6269.28B4FE51@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: I have just started to experiment with product pictures. I have a small test table that only have two fields - Part_Number and Part_Picture (defined as an Attachment field). I can manually add data to this table, but I now want to add some test records with VBA code. I have made several attempts which did not work. I must be missing something. Does anyone have an example of how to do this? Thanks, Brad From fuller.artful at gmail.com Thu Oct 6 16:24:28 2011 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2011 17:24:28 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Drew Wutka memorial ideas In-Reply-To: References: <01b301cc83b5$741defe0$5c59cfa0$@winhaven.net> <4E8D0519.8080301@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: He taught me most of the stuff I know. I can't figure out why I am 10 years older and still alive. He was a very very very smart person. A. On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 11:28 AM, Mark A Matte wrote: > > I agree. Drew was also listed as "one of the giants of AccessD" in > Martin's book. > > Not sure his family knows that...but I think this is a good representation > of how he was viewed and appreciated by the list as a whole. > > Mark A. Matte > > > > > > Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2011 21:32:09 -0400 > > From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com > > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Drew Wutka memorial ideas > > > > I think they should be forwarded to the family. They might not know he > was "published". > > > > John W. Colby > > Colby Consulting > > > > On 10/5/2011 8:25 PM, Susan Harkins wrote: > > > I was trying to think if his mom would like my copies of the articles > we wrote -- some of them were > > > in print, in IMA and a few others. I thought about sending her the > actual journals. It seems kind of > > > silly, they won't really want to read them, but... do you think she'd > want them? He probably got a > > > copy, but if they find them, they probably won't realize what they're > dealing with -- will most > > > likely think they're just old technical journals and throw them out. On > the other hand, they might > > > not care -- I just don't know -- it's not like they're great literature > or anything, but I think... > > > if it were my son, I'd want them. I just don't know what to do. > > > > > > Susan H. > > > > > > > > >> One of the things that is especially helpful to children struggling > with > > >> grief is a memory book. Since our memories of Drew are "virtual", we > > >> couldn't contribute photos or such, but the archives must have many > threads > > >> that include the outrageous exchanges we had over the years with Drew > in > > >> there fanning the flames. I wonder if it would be possible to put > something > > >> together with snippets of his humor and insight and some typical > teasing > > >> that might serve to remind her as the years pass of the kind of person > her > > >> father was. Those could be put together in a scrapbook of sorts using > > >> online services and sent to Drew's family. We could even collaborate > with > > >> them in creating something like that that included photos and such > they > > >> would like to use to remember him and to preserve his memory. I we > covered > > >> the cost, that would be a great memorial, and we could provide copies > for > > >> each member of his family. > > > > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From kismert at gmail.com Thu Oct 6 17:50:28 2011 From: kismert at gmail.com (Kenneth Ismert) Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2011 17:50:28 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] FW: The passing of Drew Wutka Message-ID: I am sad to hear the news. Although I never met him, he felt like a friend. I will miss his curmudgeonly insight. -Ken From ssharkins at gmail.com Thu Oct 6 19:38:51 2011 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2011 20:38:51 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] 10 things I don't miss about Access Message-ID: <11C1B61285C842CF916599C780A8EE25@SusanHarkins> I wonder what Drew would say. Susan H. From kvanhuss at airrsystem.com Thu Oct 6 20:07:57 2011 From: kvanhuss at airrsystem.com (Kenneth W Van Huss) Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2011 20:07:57 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] What would Drew think? Message-ID: Many of you may not know that Drew was not formally trained in computer science but was self taught. He learned many things on his own, and as such named his discoveries to what suited him. Sometimes his discoveries were already known by other names in the development community. I remember about 9 years ago him telling me about "streamlining" or "downsizing" tables (that may not be what he called it as it was a long time ago). He said he was "talking" about it on the AccessD list and someone used the term normalizing a table, and if I remember correctly there was banter on the list about it. He was serious at the time, and thought normalization didn't really fit the situation. Some of you may recall the details, and I may not be conveying it correctly. But it was funny to me back then. Drew learned so much on his own, and didn't live within the limits or restraints of what Microsoft imposed. When he first started using ASP.NET, he felt Microsoft had taken away features that he found useful and used frequently in ASP. So he somehow hacked out a solution that gave him what Microsoft had taken away so the he could make .NET work the way he felt it should. For those old enough to know what an Enigma machine was, or those knowledgeable of WWII history, Drew created a program that emulated it. And these things he did for fun and entertainment. And don't tell Drew it can't be done. That was like a personal challenge, and he would show you it could be done just to prove you wrong. These are some of the many memories I have of Drew. Respectfully, Kenneth Van Huss -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2011 7:39 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: [AccessD] 10 things I don't miss about Access I wonder what Drew would say. Susan H. -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From charlotte.foust at gmail.com Thu Oct 6 20:45:48 2011 From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust) Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2011 18:45:48 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] 10 things I don't miss about Access In-Reply-To: <11C1B61285C842CF916599C780A8EE25@SusanHarkins> References: <11C1B61285C842CF916599C780A8EE25@SusanHarkins> Message-ID: He'd probably wonder what took you so long! LOL Charlotte Foust On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 5:38 PM, Susan Harkins wrote: > < > http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/10things/10-things-i-dont-miss-about-access/2758?alertspromo=100907&tag=nl.rSINGLE > > > > > I wonder what Drew would say. > > Susan H. > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > From john at winhaven.net Thu Oct 6 21:08:25 2011 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2011 21:08:25 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Drew Wutka's Obituary page Message-ID: <01d401cc8495$ffb642b0$ff22c810$@winhaven.net> http://www.turrentinejacksonmorrow.com/detail.php?id=6177 From adtp at airtelmail.in Thu Oct 6 23:17:15 2011 From: adtp at airtelmail.in (A.D. Tejpal) Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2011 09:47:15 +0530 Subject: [AccessD] Drew Wutka memorial ideas References: <01b301cc83b5$741defe0$5c59cfa0$@winhaven.net><4E8D0519.8080301@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: This is a question that remains has eternally defied any logical answer: Why should some one so exceptionally gifted, in prime of his life, leave us all of a sudden - out of turn? While one has to come to terms with inevitability of life & death, losing a genius like Drew in this untimely manner, comes as a rude shock to us all. He happened to be approximately 35 years younger to me and I have not had the opportunity to meet him personally. Despite the fact that Drew worked on a different plane, with dazzling brilliance, he was ever more than willing to help. With him on board, there was always the re-assurance that if any programming problem became too intricate, Drew would find a way. It is so sad that God's special children are often granted only a short time in this world. A.D. Tejpal ------------ ----- Original Message ----- From: Arthur Fuller To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Sent: Friday, October 07, 2011 02:54 Subject: Re: [AccessD] Drew Wutka memorial ideas He taught me most of the stuff I know. I can't figure out why I am 10 years older and still alive. He was a very very very smart person. A. On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 11:28 AM, Mark A Matte wrote: > > I agree. Drew was also listed as "one of the giants of AccessD" in > Martin's book. > > Not sure his family knows that...but I think this is a good representation > of how he was viewed and appreciated by the list as a whole. > > Mark A. Matte > > > > Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2011 21:32:09 -0400 > > From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com > > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Drew Wutka memorial ideas > > > > I think they should be forwarded to the family. They might not know he > was "published". > > > > John W. Colby > > Colby Consulting > > > > On 10/5/2011 8:25 PM, Susan Harkins wrote: > > > I was trying to think if his mom would like my copies of the articles > we wrote -- some of them were > > > in print, in IMA and a few others. I thought about sending her the > actual journals. It seems kind of > > > silly, they won't really want to read them, but... do you think she'd > want them? He probably got a > > > copy, but if they find them, they probably won't realize what they're > dealing with -- will most > > > likely think they're just old technical journals and throw them out. On > the other hand, they might > > > not care -- I just don't know -- it's not like they're great literature > or anything, but I think... > > > if it were my son, I'd want them. I just don't know what to do. > > > > > > Susan H. > > > > > > > > >> One of the things that is especially helpful to children struggling > with > > >> grief is a memory book. Since our memories of Drew are "virtual", we > > >> couldn't contribute photos or such, but the archives must have many > threads > > >> that include the outrageous exchanges we had over the years with Drew > in > > >> there fanning the flames. I wonder if it would be possible to put > something > > >> together with snippets of his humor and insight and some typical > teasing > > >> that might serve to remind her as the years pass of the kind of person > her > > >> father was. Those could be put together in a scrapbook of sorts using > > >> online services and sent to Drew's family. We could even collaborate > with > > >> them in creating something like that that included photos and such > they > > >> would like to use to remember him and to preserve his memory. I we > covered > > >> the cost, that would be a great memorial, and we could provide copies > for > > >> each member of his family. From stephen at bondsoftware.co.nz Fri Oct 7 02:58:30 2011 From: stephen at bondsoftware.co.nz (Stephen Bond) Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2011 20:58:30 +1300 Subject: [AccessD] Drew Wutka - one more memory Message-ID: If you were new to something, Drew would take the time. I'll never forget a posting from Drew on 27 Nov 2003 (I still have it). The subject was 'OT - Getting started with Web development', in response to a request from Paul Hartland (it helped me too). Drew's response was 1975 words, full of cogent explanation and advice. The last paragraph began ' Phew, what an email. This was fun to write though. ' He took the time to help. This is the measure of the man. Stephen Bond From jimdettman at verizon.net Fri Oct 7 07:29:59 2011 From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman) Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2011 08:29:59 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] 10 things I don't miss about Access In-Reply-To: <11C1B61285C842CF916599C780A8EE25@SusanHarkins> References: <11C1B61285C842CF916599C780A8EE25@SusanHarkins> Message-ID: Nice piece Susan! Jim. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2011 08:39 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: [AccessD] 10 things I don't miss about Access I wonder what Drew would say. Susan H. -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From ssharkins at gmail.com Fri Oct 7 07:57:54 2011 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2011 08:57:54 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] 10 things I don't miss about Access References: <11C1B61285C842CF916599C780A8EE25@SusanHarkins> Message-ID: <80D0947BE2CC4668BD260EC60216D168@SusanHarkins> Thanks Jim... I appreciate that. I tried hard not to tweak any noses. :) Susan H. > > Nice piece Susan! > > Jim. > > > s/2758?alertspromo=100907&tag=nl.rSINGLE> > > I wonder what Drew would say. > > Susan H. From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Fri Oct 7 10:19:36 2011 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2011 11:19:36 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] 10 things I don't miss about Access In-Reply-To: <80D0947BE2CC4668BD260EC60216D168@SusanHarkins> References: <11C1B61285C842CF916599C780A8EE25@SusanHarkins> <80D0947BE2CC4668BD260EC60216D168@SusanHarkins> Message-ID: <4E8F1888.1060800@colbyconsulting.com> Except maybe those that need tweaking. Microsoft (for not fixing bugs), idiots (for idiotic unfounded opinions) etc. ;) John W. Colby Colby Consulting On 10/7/2011 8:57 AM, Susan Harkins wrote: > Thanks Jim... I appreciate that. I tried hard not to tweak any noses. :) > > Susan H. >> >> Nice piece Susan! >> >> Jim. >> >> >> > s/2758?alertspromo=100907&tag=nl.rSINGLE> >> >> I wonder what Drew would say. >> >> Susan H. > From BradM at blackforestltd.com Fri Oct 7 11:06:42 2011 From: BradM at blackforestltd.com (Brad Marks) Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2011 11:06:42 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Images (jpg files) on Access 2007 Report Detail Lines (Report View) References: <4E591854.8090208@colbyconsulting.com><6BAD4B05F0474F8083137B9C25B1038C@HAL9007><4E597AE8.6269.28B4FE51@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: All, Earlier I posted a question about Attachment fields. I was able to find an answer to my question and I have a test application that works Okay, but it seems a bit complicated for what I am trying to do. I thought that if I explained what I am trying to accomplish, maybe someone would have some insights or suggestions. I am pulling "Part" information from a SQL Server database into Access 2007 via ODBC. One of the fields in the Parts table is the location of an image of the Part. (for example C:\Part_Images\Part001.jpg). I want to be able to use an Access 2007 Report (in Report View) to display the appropriate .jpg file for each detail line on the report. I am able to accomplish this via the use of a "temporary" Access table that has an Attachment field for the images. This works, but I wonder if there is a better/simpler approach. I have experimented with placing an "Image" on the Report Detail lines, with hopes of changing the Images's "Picture" property on the fly for each detail line on the report. I cannot figure out how to do this. Perhaps Access 2007 does not allow this when using "Report View". I would guess that others may have run into similar situations and may have some advice. Thanks for your help, Brad From dnod at aol.com Fri Oct 7 11:29:33 2011 From: dnod at aol.com (Dean Davids) Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2011 12:29:33 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Images (jpg files) on Access 2007 Report Detail Lines (Report View) In-Reply-To: References: <4E591854.8090208@colbyconsulting.com> <6BAD4B05F0474F8083137B9C25B1038C@HAL9007> <4E597AE8.6269.28B4FE51@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: I did this sort of thing some years ago and it worked well exactly as you are saying. Update the image property on print, I believe. I had started with tables and bound images but that failed miserably as soon as the number of records became substantial. Everything I know of the process, I learned from AD TejPal (forgive me if I missed that spelling). If you look up his posts I would defer to his expertise. I think he even has some sample databases out on the Access reference sites that cover what you are trying to do. It has been a long time time and I am an infrequent Access developer these days so I can offer very little help from memory. If you don't get anywhere I will see if I can pull out my own examples and refresh my brain. Dean S. Davids On Oct 7, 2011, at 12:06 PM, "Brad Marks" wrote: > All, > > Earlier I posted a question about Attachment fields. I was able to find > an answer to my question and I have a test application that works Okay, > but it seems a bit complicated for what I am trying to do. > > I thought that if I explained what I am trying to accomplish, maybe > someone would have some insights or suggestions. > > I am pulling "Part" information from a SQL Server database into Access > 2007 via ODBC. One of the fields in the Parts table is the location of > an image of the Part. (for example C:\Part_Images\Part001.jpg). > > I want to be able to use an Access 2007 Report (in Report View) to > display the appropriate .jpg file for each detail line on the report. > > I am able to accomplish this via the use of a "temporary" Access table > that has an Attachment field for the images. This works, but I wonder > if there is a better/simpler approach. > > I have experimented with placing an "Image" on the Report Detail lines, > with hopes of changing the Images's "Picture" property on the fly for > each detail line on the report. I cannot figure out how to do this. > Perhaps Access 2007 does not allow this when using "Report View". > > I would guess that others may have run into similar situations and may > have some advice. > > Thanks for your help, > > Brad > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jimdettman at verizon.net Fri Oct 7 12:21:35 2011 From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman) Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2011 13:21:35 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] 10 things I don't miss about Access In-Reply-To: <4E8F1888.1060800@colbyconsulting.com> References: <11C1B61285C842CF916599C780A8EE25@SusanHarkins> <80D0947BE2CC4668BD260EC60216D168@SusanHarkins> <4E8F1888.1060800@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <0A1EAA4694B846FEA8C6D842D4A8F6FF@XPS> I'd 2nd the first. Drives me nuts that they put products out before their ready, fix some things, then for others say "upgrade to the latest release to get the fix", which has it's own new set of bugs. Ugh. If I wrote software like that and said that, my clients would shoot me. Jim. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: Friday, October 07, 2011 11:20 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] 10 things I don't miss about Access Except maybe those that need tweaking. Microsoft (for not fixing bugs), idiots (for idiotic unfounded opinions) etc. ;) John W. Colby Colby Consulting On 10/7/2011 8:57 AM, Susan Harkins wrote: > Thanks Jim... I appreciate that. I tried hard not to tweak any noses. :) > > Susan H. >> >> Nice piece Susan! >> >> Jim. >> >> >> > s/2758?alertspromo=100907&tag=nl.rSINGLE> >> >> I wonder what Drew would say. >> >> Susan H. > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From marksimms at verizon.net Fri Oct 7 13:00:18 2011 From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms) Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2011 14:00:18 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] 10 things I don't miss about Access In-Reply-To: <0A1EAA4694B846FEA8C6D842D4A8F6FF@XPS> References: <11C1B61285C842CF916599C780A8EE25@SusanHarkins> <80D0947BE2CC4668BD260EC60216D168@SusanHarkins> <4E8F1888.1060800@colbyconsulting.com> <0A1EAA4694B846FEA8C6D842D4A8F6FF@XPS> Message-ID: <005f01cc851a$f9b87100$ed295300$@net> Listen-up guys. Right now under Balmer's direction and control, Microsoft has got to be considered to be in a state of CHAOS. PERIOD.(or should that be an exclamation mark !) The cloud and the handheld platform initiatives are likely taking resources away from their other business segments....like Office, Sharepoint, Visual Studio, etc. IMHO of course. > I'd 2nd the first. Drives me nuts that they put products out before > their > ready, fix some things, then for others say "upgrade to the latest > release > to get the fix", which has it's own new set of bugs. Ugh. > > If I wrote software like that and said that, my clients would shoot > me. From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Fri Oct 7 13:59:33 2011 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Sat, 08 Oct 2011 04:59:33 +1000 Subject: [AccessD] Images (jpg files) on Access 2007 Report Detail Lines (Report View) In-Reply-To: References: <4E591854.8090208@colbyconsulting.com>, , Message-ID: <4E8F4C15.31859.D51965B@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> I do this quite regularly with a simple text field to store the filename ( usually, I keep the images in a standard directory, just store the filename and build the full path/filename as required.) Then I just use something like this in the report: : Private Sub Detail_Format(Cancel As Integer, FormatCount As Integer) If PhotoName > "" And Dir$(PhotoDir() & PhotoName) > "" Then imgPhoto.Picture = PhotosDir() & PhotoName Else imgPhoto.Picture = PhotosDir() & "noimage.jpg" End If End Sub > > On Oct 7, 2011, at 12:06 PM, "Brad Marks" > wrote: > > > All, > > > > Earlier I posted a question about Attachment fields. I was able to > > find an answer to my question and I have a test application that > > works Okay, but it seems a bit complicated for what I am trying to > > do. > > > > I thought that if I explained what I am trying to accomplish, maybe > > someone would have some insights or suggestions. > > > > I am pulling "Part" information from a SQL Server database into > > Access 2007 via ODBC. One of the fields in the Parts table is the > > location of an image of the Part. (for example > > C:\Part_Images\Part001.jpg). > > > > I want to be able to use an Access 2007 Report (in Report View) to > > display the appropriate .jpg file for each detail line on the > > report. > > > > I am able to accomplish this via the use of a "temporary" Access > > table that has an Attachment field for the images. This works, but > > I wonder if there is a better/simpler approach. > > > > I have experimented with placing an "Image" on the Report Detail > > lines, with hopes of changing the Images's "Picture" property on the > > fly for each detail line on the report. I cannot figure out how to > > do this. Perhaps Access 2007 does not allow this when using "Report > > View". > > > > I would guess that others may have run into similar situations and > > may have some advice. > > > > Thanks for your help, > > > > Brad > > > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From kismert at gmail.com Fri Oct 7 15:13:57 2011 From: kismert at gmail.com (Kenneth Ismert) Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2011 15:13:57 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] OT - John Colby - volunteer work with Prisons - Minnesota Public Radio program Message-ID: I rarely make OT comments, but here's the exception: I see a lot of similarity between political belief and religious belief. Virtually all of us today were told of the political or religious framework we adhere to. Even those who seek almost never invent a novel set of beliefs, but simply pick from available alternatives. We choose our belief systems for reasons that have very little to to with logic, and everything to do with emotion. Proof of this is that our tenets rarely hold up to unbiased, scientific scrutiny. If a particular belief was provably correct, shouldn't it be universally accepted, like the laws of gravitation, or the Pythagorean theorem? And yet, problematic as they are, our beliefs are very real to us, perhaps more real than any other aspect of our existence. So, we find ourselves today in this setting of global competing passed-down dogmas, that are fiercely believed in and passionately championed, in spite of scarce proof. In the old days, the obvious and often-used resolution to these conflicts was to kill or imprison the others, the infidels, the political apostates. For all their problems, frailties, and pitfalls, there is one thing that can be unequivocally said about modern, religion-neutral democracies: the streets are almost entirely free of bloodshed when power changes hands or religious movements gain ground, and the prisons are remarkably free of political and religious prisoners. So, before we give up, and condemn our current systems to the dust bin, let us consider the achievements of our more enlightened societies and their political systems. We have difficulties because these systems are imperfect. But anyone who suggests, or implies, that we should revert to the political systems of old has forgotten what truly horrible things those historical regimes could be. The only real way forward is to invent new structures that address our current grievances, while embedding even more deeply respect for our differences, based on a more solid, fundamental and complete understanding of who we are as as species. That is the current belief I irrationally and emotionally adhere to. -Ken ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: jwcolby > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving < > accessd at databaseadvisors.com> > Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2011 10:36:41 -0400 > Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT - John Colby - volunteer work with Prisons - > Minnesota Public Radio program > Dan, > > Sadly politics is broken, not just in the US but around the world. > > I did an 8 month training, one full weekend a month to learn to be an > advocate for people with disabilities. My daughter Allie has many > disabilities caused by a genetic duplication. One of the weekends was > dedicated to educating us on the political system, what special interests > means, lobbying and so forth. > > Elections are won with advertising, advertising costs money, and companies > (mostly) have money. But in the end it all comes down to people. Everyone > believes what they believe, are (have been) convinced of the "truth" of > their belief system. > > Republicans really do believe that government has no business being in the > "help" business, that it is the job of the people to help each other. > Democrats believe the opposite. People have become jaded and believe that > nobody cares any more and so stop caring themselves. > > Ignoring the names of the political parties, this is not an American > problem it is a world problem, which occurs any time there are so many > people that we no longer know our neighbors. I don't mean "know their face" > I mean "get to know" our neighbors. > > What we were shown in that weekend is that the primary job of a politician > is to get re-elected. The politician him/herself has a belief system but > unless (s)he can get (re)elected (s)he cannot implement the belief system. > Once elected, there are so many conflicting interests that (s)he cannot > really function effectively. > > The system truly is broken, and probably always has been. > > The only hope for mankind is for us to realize that we all stand together > or we all fall alone. People have to individually make an effort to help > others less fortunate than ourselves. Which is a lot of work, and there is > a college football game on... and after that is Dancing with the Stars... > and besides, what difference can I really make? > > :) > > > John W. Colby > Colby Consulting > > On 10/4/2011 5:17 PM, Dan Waters wrote: > >> John- some of this will change in the next election. Unfortunately, too >> many people need to learn things the hard way. And learning that voting >> carefully, not emotionally, is actually important. Politics is not a >> reality TV show - it's real people really getting hurt. >> >> Dan >> > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Arthur Fuller > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving < > accessd at databaseadvisors.com> > Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2011 11:10:51 -0400 > Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT - John Colby - volunteer work with Prisons - > Minnesota Public Radio program > I think that you are onto something here, JWC. And I am seriously unsure of > the consequences that I draw, but here they are: > > 1. Political parties of whatever stripe are by definition attacks on > popular > opinion. I don't see any other way to see this. Let us for example take a > hypothetical voter who is against abortion and also against religious > instruction in public schools. No party represents this theoretical person. > The inevitable result is that I choose the party that shares the most > number > of values and propositions with me, and that SUCKS. > > Tomorrow is Election Day in Ontario, and various polls indicate that either > the Libs or the Cons are slated to have a minority win, and in either case > that means that my party, the NDP, is going to hold the balance of power. > > On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 10:36 AM, jwcolby >wrote: > > From df.waters at comcast.net Fri Oct 7 16:04:33 2011 From: df.waters at comcast.net (Dan Waters) Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2011 16:04:33 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] OT - John Colby - volunteer work with Prisons - Minnesota Public Radio program In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <002d01cc8534$b6ba2d70$242e8850$@comcast.net> John - Nice Writeup! Our system is actually pretty good now, although I think that we really do need to go to public financing only for elected officials. With public financing, the only people our elected officials will be interested in is the people who vote for them, because there won't be anyone (or any corporation) funding their reelection campaigns. Our current Republicans, in the House, and in my Minnesota Legislature, seem to be beholden to a few very wealthy interests, and the US won't last too long if that continues to be the model of our government. Luckily in MN we elected a Democratic governor (by only 9000 votes), so the worst of what they wanted to do was avoided. Thanks! Dan PS - I believe that God (may have) created the universe. And since then he has not interfered. (I know - it's safe. But I'm sticking with it!) -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kenneth Ismert Sent: Friday, October 07, 2011 3:14 PM To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT - John Colby - volunteer work with Prisons - Minnesota Public Radio program I rarely make OT comments, but here's the exception: I see a lot of similarity between political belief and religious belief. Virtually all of us today were told of the political or religious framework we adhere to. Even those who seek almost never invent a novel set of beliefs, but simply pick from available alternatives. We choose our belief systems for reasons that have very little to to with logic, and everything to do with emotion. Proof of this is that our tenets rarely hold up to unbiased, scientific scrutiny. If a particular belief was provably correct, shouldn't it be universally accepted, like the laws of gravitation, or the Pythagorean theorem? And yet, problematic as they are, our beliefs are very real to us, perhaps more real than any other aspect of our existence. So, we find ourselves today in this setting of global competing passed-down dogmas, that are fiercely believed in and passionately championed, in spite of scarce proof. In the old days, the obvious and often-used resolution to these conflicts was to kill or imprison the others, the infidels, the political apostates. For all their problems, frailties, and pitfalls, there is one thing that can be unequivocally said about modern, religion-neutral democracies: the streets are almost entirely free of bloodshed when power changes hands or religious movements gain ground, and the prisons are remarkably free of political and religious prisoners. So, before we give up, and condemn our current systems to the dust bin, let us consider the achievements of our more enlightened societies and their political systems. We have difficulties because these systems are imperfect. But anyone who suggests, or implies, that we should revert to the political systems of old has forgotten what truly horrible things those historical regimes could be. The only real way forward is to invent new structures that address our current grievances, while embedding even more deeply respect for our differences, based on a more solid, fundamental and complete understanding of who we are as as species. That is the current belief I irrationally and emotionally adhere to. -Ken ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: jwcolby > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving < > accessd at databaseadvisors.com> > Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2011 10:36:41 -0400 > Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT - John Colby - volunteer work with Prisons - > Minnesota Public Radio program Dan, > > Sadly politics is broken, not just in the US but around the world. > > I did an 8 month training, one full weekend a month to learn to be an > advocate for people with disabilities. My daughter Allie has many > disabilities caused by a genetic duplication. One of the weekends was > dedicated to educating us on the political system, what special > interests means, lobbying and so forth. > > Elections are won with advertising, advertising costs money, and > companies > (mostly) have money. But in the end it all comes down to people. > Everyone believes what they believe, are (have been) convinced of the > "truth" of their belief system. > > Republicans really do believe that government has no business being in > the "help" business, that it is the job of the people to help each other. > Democrats believe the opposite. People have become jaded and believe > that nobody cares any more and so stop caring themselves. > > Ignoring the names of the political parties, this is not an American > problem it is a world problem, which occurs any time there are so many > people that we no longer know our neighbors. I don't mean "know their face" > I mean "get to know" our neighbors. > > What we were shown in that weekend is that the primary job of a > politician is to get re-elected. The politician him/herself has a > belief system but unless (s)he can get (re)elected (s)he cannot implement the belief system. > Once elected, there are so many conflicting interests that (s)he > cannot really function effectively. > > The system truly is broken, and probably always has been. > > The only hope for mankind is for us to realize that we all stand > together or we all fall alone. People have to individually make an > effort to help others less fortunate than ourselves. Which is a lot > of work, and there is a college football game on... and after that is Dancing with the Stars... > and besides, what difference can I really make? > > :) > > > John W. Colby > Colby Consulting > > On 10/4/2011 5:17 PM, Dan Waters wrote: > >> John- some of this will change in the next election. Unfortunately, >> too many people need to learn things the hard way. And learning that >> voting carefully, not emotionally, is actually important. Politics >> is not a reality TV show - it's real people really getting hurt. >> >> Dan >> > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Arthur Fuller > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving < > accessd at databaseadvisors.com> > Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2011 11:10:51 -0400 > Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT - John Colby - volunteer work with Prisons - > Minnesota Public Radio program I think that you are onto something > here, JWC. And I am seriously unsure of the consequences that I draw, > but here they are: > > 1. Political parties of whatever stripe are by definition attacks on > popular opinion. I don't see any other way to see this. Let us for > example take a hypothetical voter who is against abortion and also > against religious instruction in public schools. No party represents > this theoretical person. > The inevitable result is that I choose the party that shares the most > number of values and propositions with me, and that SUCKS. > > Tomorrow is Election Day in Ontario, and various polls indicate that > either the Libs or the Cons are slated to have a minority win, and in > either case that means that my party, the NDP, is going to hold the balance of power. > > On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 10:36 AM, jwcolby >wrote: > > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Fri Oct 7 16:10:25 2011 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2011 14:10:25 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] The Puzzle of Pancreatic Cancer: How Steve Jobs Did Not Beat the Odds--but Nobel Winner Ralph Steinman Did Message-ID: <30464E6BB70D47E4ADB7CB9AD4B82CF7@HAL9007> http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=pancreatic-cancer-type-jobs &WT.mc_id=SA_CAT_BS_20111007 Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software 858-259-4334 www.bchacc.com www.e-z-mrp.com From gustav at cactus.dk Fri Oct 7 16:47:10 2011 From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2011 23:47:10 +0200 Subject: [AccessD] 10 things I don't miss about Access Message-ID: Hi Susan You failed! Go to the bottom here ... but you have been warned: http://www.experts-exchange.com/Microsoft/Development/MS_Access/Q_27290867.html#a36933671 /gustav >>> ssharkins at gmail.com 07-10-2011 14:57 >>> Thanks Jim... I appreciate that. I tried hard not to tweak any noses. :) From ssharkins at gmail.com Fri Oct 7 16:57:23 2011 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2011 17:57:23 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] 10 things I don't miss about Access References: Message-ID: What am I looking for? Susan H. > Hi Susan > > You failed! > Go to the bottom here ... but you have been warned: > > http://www.experts-exchange.com/Microsoft/Development/MS_Access/Q_27290867.html#a36933671 > > /gustav > >>>> ssharkins at gmail.com 07-10-2011 14:57 >>> > Thanks Jim... I appreciate that. I tried hard not to tweak any noses. :) From jimdettman at verizon.net Fri Oct 7 17:42:28 2011 From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman) Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2011 18:42:28 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] 10 things I don't miss about Access In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1151AFBB-05CD-479D-8E94-EBC3B7AF7962@verizon.net> Gustav If you would, please post a link using the share feature at the top of the question That will allow everyone to read the thread with logged in view if they want to look. I'd do it but I am on mobile and you don't get the share option with that view. If you don't do it, I'll post latter when I get home Thanks Jim Sent from my iPhone On Oct 7, 2011, at 5:57 PM, "Susan Harkins" wrote: > What am I looking for? > > Susan H. > > >> Hi Susan >> >> You failed! >> Go to the bottom here ... but you have been warned: >> >> http://www.experts-exchange.com/Microsoft/Development/MS_Access/Q_27290867.html#a36933671 >> >> /gustav >> >>>>> ssharkins at gmail.com 07-10-2011 14:57 >>> >> Thanks Jim... I appreciate that. I tried hard not to tweak any noses. :) > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Fri Oct 7 18:09:16 2011 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2011 16:09:16 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] 10 things I don't miss about Access In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: What's it say - not a subscriber so I can't see it. Rocky -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: Friday, October 07, 2011 2:47 PM To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [AccessD] 10 things I don't miss about Access Hi Susan You failed! Go to the bottom here ... but you have been warned: http://www.experts-exchange.com/Microsoft/Development/MS_Access/Q_27290867.h tml#a36933671 /gustav >>> ssharkins at gmail.com 07-10-2011 14:57 >>> Thanks Jim... I appreciate that. I tried hard not to tweak any noses. :) -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jimdettman at verizon.net Fri Oct 7 18:18:56 2011 From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman) Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2011 19:18:56 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] 10 things I don't miss about Access In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Rocky, I'll post a link a little latter that will allow you and everyone else to read it without a sign-up. Jim Sent from my iPhone On Oct 7, 2011, at 7:09 PM, "Rocky Smolin" wrote: > What's it say - not a subscriber so I can't see it. > > Rocky > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock > Sent: Friday, October 07, 2011 2:47 PM > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com > Subject: Re: [AccessD] 10 things I don't miss about Access > > Hi Susan > > You failed! > Go to the bottom here ... but you have been warned: > > http://www.experts-exchange.com/Microsoft/Development/MS_Access/Q_27290867.h > tml#a36933671 > > /gustav > >>>> ssharkins at gmail.com 07-10-2011 14:57 >>> > Thanks Jim... I appreciate that. I tried hard not to tweak any noses. :) > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From ab-mi at post3.tele.dk Sat Oct 8 07:37:48 2011 From: ab-mi at post3.tele.dk (Asger Blond) Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2011 14:37:48 +0200 Subject: [AccessD] OT - John Colby - volunteer work with Prisons - Minnesota Public Radio program In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <01018F7E24CF49339BA54E4B38BC877F@abpc> Wise words - as are Winston Churchill's: "Many forms of Government have been tried, and will be tried in this world of sin and woe. No one pretends that democracy is perfect or all-wise. Indeed it has been said that democracy is the worst form of Government except for all those other forms that have been tried from time to time." Asger -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Kenneth Ismert Sendt: 7. oktober 2011 22:14 Til: accessd at databaseadvisors.com Emne: Re: [AccessD] OT - John Colby - volunteer work with Prisons - Minnesota Public Radio program I rarely make OT comments, but here's the exception: I see a lot of similarity between political belief and religious belief. Virtually all of us today were told of the political or religious framework we adhere to. Even those who seek almost never invent a novel set of beliefs, but simply pick from available alternatives. We choose our belief systems for reasons that have very little to to with logic, and everything to do with emotion. Proof of this is that our tenets rarely hold up to unbiased, scientific scrutiny. If a particular belief was provably correct, shouldn't it be universally accepted, like the laws of gravitation, or the Pythagorean theorem? And yet, problematic as they are, our beliefs are very real to us, perhaps more real than any other aspect of our existence. So, we find ourselves today in this setting of global competing passed-down dogmas, that are fiercely believed in and passionately championed, in spite of scarce proof. In the old days, the obvious and often-used resolution to these conflicts was to kill or imprison the others, the infidels, the political apostates. For all their problems, frailties, and pitfalls, there is one thing that can be unequivocally said about modern, religion-neutral democracies: the streets are almost entirely free of bloodshed when power changes hands or religious movements gain ground, and the prisons are remarkably free of political and religious prisoners. So, before we give up, and condemn our current systems to the dust bin, let us consider the achievements of our more enlightened societies and their political systems. We have difficulties because these systems are imperfect. But anyone who suggests, or implies, that we should revert to the political systems of old has forgotten what truly horrible things those historical regimes could be. The only real way forward is to invent new structures that address our current grievances, while embedding even more deeply respect for our differences, based on a more solid, fundamental and complete understanding of who we are as as species. That is the current belief I irrationally and emotionally adhere to. -Ken ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: jwcolby > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving < > accessd at databaseadvisors.com> > Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2011 10:36:41 -0400 > Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT - John Colby - volunteer work with Prisons - > Minnesota Public Radio program > Dan, > > Sadly politics is broken, not just in the US but around the world. > > I did an 8 month training, one full weekend a month to learn to be an > advocate for people with disabilities. My daughter Allie has many > disabilities caused by a genetic duplication. One of the weekends was > dedicated to educating us on the political system, what special interests > means, lobbying and so forth. > > Elections are won with advertising, advertising costs money, and companies > (mostly) have money. But in the end it all comes down to people. Everyone > believes what they believe, are (have been) convinced of the "truth" of > their belief system. > > Republicans really do believe that government has no business being in the > "help" business, that it is the job of the people to help each other. > Democrats believe the opposite. People have become jaded and believe that > nobody cares any more and so stop caring themselves. > > Ignoring the names of the political parties, this is not an American > problem it is a world problem, which occurs any time there are so many > people that we no longer know our neighbors. I don't mean "know their face" > I mean "get to know" our neighbors. > > What we were shown in that weekend is that the primary job of a politician > is to get re-elected. The politician him/herself has a belief system but > unless (s)he can get (re)elected (s)he cannot implement the belief system. > Once elected, there are so many conflicting interests that (s)he cannot > really function effectively. > > The system truly is broken, and probably always has been. > > The only hope for mankind is for us to realize that we all stand together > or we all fall alone. People have to individually make an effort to help > others less fortunate than ourselves. Which is a lot of work, and there is > a college football game on... and after that is Dancing with the Stars... > and besides, what difference can I really make? > > :) > > > John W. Colby > Colby Consulting > > On 10/4/2011 5:17 PM, Dan Waters wrote: > >> John- some of this will change in the next election. Unfortunately, too >> many people need to learn things the hard way. And learning that voting >> carefully, not emotionally, is actually important. Politics is not a >> reality TV show - it's real people really getting hurt. >> >> Dan >> > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Arthur Fuller > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving < > accessd at databaseadvisors.com> > Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2011 11:10:51 -0400 > Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT - John Colby - volunteer work with Prisons - > Minnesota Public Radio program > I think that you are onto something here, JWC. And I am seriously unsure of > the consequences that I draw, but here they are: > > 1. Political parties of whatever stripe are by definition attacks on > popular > opinion. I don't see any other way to see this. Let us for example take a > hypothetical voter who is against abortion and also against religious > instruction in public schools. No party represents this theoretical person. > The inevitable result is that I choose the party that shares the most > number > of values and propositions with me, and that SUCKS. > > Tomorrow is Election Day in Ontario, and various polls indicate that either > the Libs or the Cons are slated to have a minority win, and in either case > that means that my party, the NDP, is going to hold the balance of power. > > On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 10:36 AM, jwcolby >wrote: > > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jimdettman at verizon.net Sat Oct 8 08:12:59 2011 From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman) Date: Sat, 08 Oct 2011 09:12:59 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] 10 things I don't miss about Access In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: OK, for those interested, here's the link that will give you a logged in view of the EE thread that gustav mentioned: http://rdsrc.us/lIghoA Comments on Susan's article are the last fifteen or so comments at the bottom of the thread (about 2/3'rds of the way down - first comment was posted 10/7 at 4:29 pm). This is a continually running thread we have in the Access Zone, so there is a lot of stuff in the beginning that doesn't apply. Jim. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman Sent: Friday, October 07, 2011 07:19 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] 10 things I don't miss about Access Rocky, I'll post a link a little latter that will allow you and everyone else to read it without a sign-up. Jim Sent from my iPhone On Oct 7, 2011, at 7:09 PM, "Rocky Smolin" wrote: > What's it say - not a subscriber so I can't see it. > > Rocky > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock > Sent: Friday, October 07, 2011 2:47 PM > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com > Subject: Re: [AccessD] 10 things I don't miss about Access > > Hi Susan > > You failed! > Go to the bottom here ... but you have been warned: > > http://www.experts-exchange.com/Microsoft/Development/MS_Access/Q_27290867.h > tml#a36933671 > > /gustav > >>>> ssharkins at gmail.com 07-10-2011 14:57 >>> > Thanks Jim... I appreciate that. I tried hard not to tweak any noses. :) > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From ssharkins at gmail.com Sat Oct 8 09:38:08 2011 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2011 10:38:08 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] 10 things I don't miss about Access References: Message-ID: Wow... I'm always surprised when someone takes such a 180% turn of what I've written. It's like they don't really read what I've written at all. They don't agree with a specific point or they read the headings. Thanks to you and Gustav for championing my true intent. I appreciate that. FWIW, the people that fuss the loudest about my opinions, seem to have much stronger ones than mine. I always find that... interesting. And of course, after they trash you, sometimes personally, they get even madder because you don't say, "Oh my, you're so right, thank you for saving me from my folly!" I love Access, always have. I'm sorry to see MS taking it in the direction they have, but even so, I can still admit Access' short-comings. I think that's just being realistic and frankly, you need to do that in order to give your clients/users the best of what they really need. I love Access, but I'm not a junkie. :) Susan H. > > OK, for those interested, here's the link that will give you a logged in > view of the EE thread that gustav mentioned: > > http://rdsrc.us/lIghoA > > Comments on Susan's article are the last fifteen or so comments at the > bottom of the thread (about 2/3'rds of the way down - first comment was > posted 10/7 at 4:29 pm). > > This is a continually running thread we have in the Access Zone, so there > is a lot of stuff in the beginning that doesn't apply. From jimdettman at verizon.net Sat Oct 8 11:37:30 2011 From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman) Date: Sat, 08 Oct 2011 12:37:30 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] 10 things I don't miss about Access In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <584522BE54DB429788CFBDFD3D1D6073@XPS> Susan, Yes, I was surprised myself. First question I asked was; didn't they read it? Personally I think you hit it right on and they missed the point (and intent) entirely. The points you made were all ones that Access developers have lived with over the years. And FWIW, I KNOW they all have had to deal with the same issues(except for maybe Mark, who posted that first comment), which is why I don't understand some of those comments. And I do think your right; Microsoft is sliding Access towards the end-user end of the scale. We here all know it's much more then that, but it always has been marketed as an end-user tool and Microsoft seems to be focusing on that once again. Last couple of releases have been focused on simplifying things and adding end-user features rather then anything for developers. And long standing developer problems are simply not being addressed. What I see happening is Microsoft moving away from VBA for all of Office. Access developers will be either pushed into VS or Lightswitch, which will become Microsoft's light weight/RAD app development tool. Access may or may not remain in Office, but if it does, I think it will become a much simpler product. And before everyone gets up in arms about the "light weight" comment above, I do understand that you can do a wide range of things with Access and I do love it for that. But it does have some serious limitations. Access developers have been ingenious over the years in working around a lot of those limitations (i.e. lack of third party controls), but it has two serious problems that nothing can be done about; corruption and sensitivity to its environment. The latter is more of a reference to VBA and references, but how many of us have dealt with app install issues with either the full or run-time version? Or multiple versions on the same machine? If I asked those questions in a room full of developers, I bet you just about every hand would be raised. Personally I've been looking to move away from Access for quite some time as I am tired of dealing with the environment problems and the eye rolling every time I mention it. But I made the mistake of focusing on VFP. While it was more work then Access, it was also a lot more on the "developer" end of the scale. There was not much that you couldn't do with it. It was no where near as user friendly though. Just about everything was done from the command window. In fact I got laughed at a bit when I complained that I couldn't get the query designer to do a simple two table join right. The response was "no serious developer uses that". My only come back was "Why is it called VISUAL VFP then?" Got a lot of grumbles after that But the data environment alone when working with forms is something Access developers would kill for. Add to that the ability to compile into a true .EXE, work with just about any 3rd party control, build COM objects or DLL's, having unit testing capability, and being able to do n-tier designs, and it made it quite attractive. Microsoft unfortunately killed it just as I was coming up to speed with it, so I was back to square one looking for the next best thing. I keep trying to get into VS, but I keep getting pulled back into Access. I guess I should be thankful I'm still working and for all those users that do get in over their heads. Jim. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins Sent: Saturday, October 08, 2011 10:38 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] 10 things I don't miss about Access Wow... I'm always surprised when someone takes such a 180% turn of what I've written. It's like they don't really read what I've written at all. They don't agree with a specific point or they read the headings. Thanks to you and Gustav for championing my true intent. I appreciate that. FWIW, the people that fuss the loudest about my opinions, seem to have much stronger ones than mine. I always find that... interesting. And of course, after they trash you, sometimes personally, they get even madder because you don't say, "Oh my, you're so right, thank you for saving me from my folly!" I love Access, always have. I'm sorry to see MS taking it in the direction they have, but even so, I can still admit Access' short-comings. I think that's just being realistic and frankly, you need to do that in order to give your clients/users the best of what they really need. I love Access, but I'm not a junkie. :) Susan H. > > OK, for those interested, here's the link that will give you a logged in > view of the EE thread that gustav mentioned: > > http://rdsrc.us/lIghoA > > Comments on Susan's article are the last fifteen or so comments at the > bottom of the thread (about 2/3'rds of the way down - first comment was > posted 10/7 at 4:29 pm). > > This is a continually running thread we have in the Access Zone, so there > is a lot of stuff in the beginning that doesn't apply. -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Sat Oct 8 11:51:20 2011 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Sat, 08 Oct 2011 12:51:20 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] 10 things I don't miss about Access In-Reply-To: <584522BE54DB429788CFBDFD3D1D6073@XPS> References: <584522BE54DB429788CFBDFD3D1D6073@XPS> Message-ID: <4E907F88.6040905@colbyconsulting.com> >but it has two serious problems that nothing can be done about; corruption and sensitivity to its environment. Add another serious limitation, single threaded operation. And for programmers, lack of any kind of inheritance. I tried to build a sql server driver application in Access and failed miserably, and I have about as good a grasp of VBA as you will find. SQL Server would go out and do something for 15 minutes and the Access interface just locked up. SQL Server can do one or a hundred things simultaneously, but Access can only cause it to do one thing at a time, because Access only has one thread. I switched to C# and voila, I have a manager and three supervisors (4 threads) running asynchronous tasks simultaneously. SQL Server is doing BCP out and BCP in simultaneously and a supervisor is shoveling the files out to a VM for third party processing and pulling result files back in when that app is finished with a file. All with three separate status panes announcing progress to the user (me). Updating SQL Server supervisor and process flags to log the state of the process. C# is in another league entirely in terms of raw ability. John W. Colby Colby Consulting On 10/8/2011 12:37 PM, Jim Dettman wrote: > Susan, > > Yes, I was surprised myself. First question I asked was; didn't they read > it? Personally I think you hit it right on and they missed the point (and > intent) entirely. > > The points you made were all ones that Access developers have lived with > over the years. And FWIW, I KNOW they all have had to deal with the same > issues(except for maybe Mark, who posted that first comment), which is why I > don't understand some of those comments. > > And I do think your right; Microsoft is sliding Access towards the end-user > end of the scale. We here all know it's much more then that, but it always > has been marketed as an end-user tool and Microsoft seems to be focusing on > that once again. Last couple of releases have been focused on simplifying > things and adding end-user features rather then anything for developers. > And long standing developer problems are simply not being addressed. > > What I see happening is Microsoft moving away from VBA for all of Office. > Access developers will be either pushed into VS or Lightswitch, which will > become Microsoft's light weight/RAD app development tool. Access may or may > not remain in Office, but if it does, I think it will become a much simpler > product. > > And before everyone gets up in arms about the "light weight" comment above, > I do understand that you can do a wide range of things with Access and I do > love it for that. But it does have some serious limitations. Access > developers have been ingenious over the years in working around a lot of > those limitations (i.e. lack of third party controls), but it has two > serious problems that nothing can be done about; corruption and sensitivity > to its environment. The latter is more of a reference to VBA and > references, but how many of us have dealt with app install issues with > either the full or run-time version? Or multiple versions on the same > machine? If I asked those questions in a room full of developers, I bet you > just about every hand would be raised. > > Personally I've been looking to move away from Access for quite some time > as I am tired of dealing with the environment problems and the eye rolling > every time I mention it. But I made the mistake of focusing on VFP. While > it was more work then Access, it was also a lot more on the "developer" end > of the scale. There was not much that you couldn't do with it. It was no > where near as user friendly though. Just about everything was done from the > command window. In fact I got laughed at a bit when I complained that I > couldn't get the query designer to do a simple two table join right. The > response was "no serious developer uses that". My only come back was "Why > is it called VISUAL VFP then?" Got a lot of grumbles after that > > But the data environment alone when working with forms is something Access > developers would kill for. Add to that the ability to compile into a true > .EXE, work with just about any 3rd party control, build COM objects or > DLL's, having unit testing capability, and being able to do n-tier designs, > and it made it quite attractive. Microsoft unfortunately killed it just as > I was coming up to speed with it, so I was back to square one looking for > the next best thing. I keep trying to get into VS, but I keep getting > pulled back into Access. > > I guess I should be thankful I'm still working and for all those users > that do get in over their heads. > > Jim. From ssharkins at gmail.com Sat Oct 8 12:32:17 2011 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2011 13:32:17 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] 10 things I don't miss about Access References: <584522BE54DB429788CFBDFD3D1D6073@XPS> Message-ID: <627C21E726D54A59AD773CEE5025CCEF@SusanHarkins> Jim, you must have been reading my diary again. :) Susan H. > > And I do think your right; Microsoft is sliding Access towards the > end-user > end of the scale. We here all know it's much more then that, but it > always > has been marketed as an end-user tool and Microsoft seems to be focusing > on > that once again. Last couple of releases have been focused on simplifying > things and adding end-user features rather then anything for developers. > And long standing developer problems are simply not being addressed. > > What I see happening is Microsoft moving away from VBA for all of Office. > Access developers will be either pushed into VS or Lightswitch, which will > become Microsoft's light weight/RAD app development tool. Access may or > may > not remain in Office, but if it does, I think it will become a much > simpler > product. > > And before everyone gets up in arms about the "light weight" comment > above, > I do understand that you can do a wide range of things with Access and I > do > love it for that. But it does have some serious limitations. Access > developers have been ingenious over the years in working around a lot of > those limitations (i.e. lack of third party controls), but it has two > serious problems that nothing can be done about; corruption and > sensitivity > to its environment. The latter is more of a reference to VBA and > references, but how many of us have dealt with app install issues with > either the full or run-time version? Or multiple versions on the same > machine? If I asked those questions in a room full of developers, I bet > you > just about every hand would be raised. From BradM at blackforestltd.com Sat Oct 8 13:40:42 2011 From: BradM at blackforestltd.com (Brad Marks) Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2011 13:40:42 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Images (jpg files) on Access 2007 Report Detail Lines(Report View) References: <4E591854.8090208@colbyconsulting.com>, , <4E8F4C15.31859.D51965B@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: Stuart, Thanks for the help, I appreciate it. I put together a little test Access 2007 application and employed your ideas on how to place images (.jpg) files on Report Detail lines. This approach worked nicely when I opened the report with ?acViewPreview?. However, when I opened the report with ?acViewReport?, it appears that the Report?s Detail Line ?On Format? Event is not fired and therefore I am not able to change the ?Picture? property of the image to plug in the name of the desired jpg file. The other reports in the application that I am working on use acViewReport so that the users can have drill-downs, dynamic sorts, and dynamic filters. I would therefore like to stay with acViewReport if possible. Thanks again for the help. I am beginning to think that I might be trying to do something that is not easy to accomplish with acViewReport (Report View). Brad -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com on behalf of Stuart McLachlan Sent: Fri 10/7/2011 1:59 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Images (jpg files) on Access 2007 Report Detail Lines(Report View) I do this quite regularly with a simple text field to store the filename ( usually, I keep the images in a standard directory, just store the filename and build the full path/filename as required.) Then I just use something like this in the report: : Private Sub Detail_Format(Cancel As Integer, FormatCount As Integer) If PhotoName > "" And Dir$(PhotoDir() & PhotoName) > "" Then imgPhoto.Picture = PhotosDir() & PhotoName Else imgPhoto.Picture = PhotosDir() & "noimage.jpg" End If End Sub > > On Oct 7, 2011, at 12:06 PM, "Brad Marks" > wrote: > > > All, > > > > Earlier I posted a question about Attachment fields. I was able to > > find an answer to my question and I have a test application that > > works Okay, but it seems a bit complicated for what I am trying to > > do. > > > > I thought that if I explained what I am trying to accomplish, maybe > > someone would have some insights or suggestions. > > > > I am pulling "Part" information from a SQL Server database into > > Access 2007 via ODBC. One of the fields in the Parts table is the > > location of an image of the Part. (for example > > C:\Part_Images\Part001.jpg). > > > > I want to be able to use an Access 2007 Report (in Report View) to > > display the appropriate .jpg file for each detail line on the > > report. > > > > I am able to accomplish this via the use of a "temporary" Access > > table that has an Attachment field for the images. This works, but > > I wonder if there is a better/simpler approach. > > > > I have experimented with placing an "Image" on the Report Detail > > lines, with hopes of changing the Images's "Picture" property on the > > fly for each detail line on the report. I cannot figure out how to > > do this. Perhaps Access 2007 does not allow this when using "Report > > View". > > > > I would guess that others may have run into similar situations and > > may have some advice. > > > > Thanks for your help, > > > > Brad > > > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. From rbgajewski at roadrunner.com Sat Oct 8 16:36:46 2011 From: rbgajewski at roadrunner.com (Bob Gajewski) Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2011 17:36:46 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Images (jpg files) on Access 2007 Report DetailLines(Report View) In-Reply-To: References: <4E591854.8090208@colbyconsulting.com>, , <4E8F4C15.31859.D51965B@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <80F4728D638C4A689EECE904399EEF19@7B440585K> Hi Brad Here is some given to me by Gustav many moons ago .. And it has worked flawlessly ... Regards, Bob Gajewski Private Sub Detail_Format(Cancel As Integer, FormatCount As Integer) '******************** Code Begin **************** 'Code courtesy of Terry Kreft & Ken Getz '(modified from Function to Subroutine) Dim strDBName As String Dim strDBPath As String Dim strDBFile As String strDBName = CurrentDb.Name strDBFile = Dir(strDBName) strDBPath = Left(strDBName, Len(strDBName) - Len(strDBFile)) '******************** Code End ****************** '******************** Code Begin **************** 'Code courtesy of David McAfee and Gustav Brock '(modified for database specifics) Dim strPicture As String Dim strIsPicture As String Dim strNoPicture As String strIsPicture = strDBPath & "photos\mbr" & Format([MemberNumber], "000") & ".jpg" strNoPicture = strDBPath & "photos\nophoto.jpg" If Len(Dir(strIsPicture, vbNormal)) > 0 Then strPicture = strIsPicture Else strPicture = strNoPicture End If Me!imgMemberPhoto.Picture = strPicture '******************** Code End ****************** -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brad Marks Sent: Saturday, October 08, 2011 14:41 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Images (jpg files) on Access 2007 Report DetailLines(Report View) Stuart, Thanks for the help, I appreciate it. I put together a little test Access 2007 application and employed your ideas on how to place images (.jpg) files on Report Detail lines. This approach worked nicely when I opened the report with "acViewPreview". However, when I opened the report with "acViewReport", it appears that the Report's Detail Line "On Format" Event is not fired and therefore I am not able to change the "Picture" property of the image to plug in the name of the desired jpg file. The other reports in the application that I am working on use acViewReport so that the users can have drill-downs, dynamic sorts, and dynamic filters. I would therefore like to stay with acViewReport if possible. Thanks again for the help. I am beginning to think that I might be trying to do something that is not easy to accomplish with acViewReport (Report View). Brad -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com on behalf of Stuart McLachlan Sent: Fri 10/7/2011 1:59 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Images (jpg files) on Access 2007 Report Detail Lines(Report View) I do this quite regularly with a simple text field to store the filename ( usually, I keep the images in a standard directory, just store the filename and build the full path/filename as required.) Then I just use something like this in the report: : Private Sub Detail_Format(Cancel As Integer, FormatCount As Integer) If PhotoName > "" And Dir$(PhotoDir() & PhotoName) > "" Then imgPhoto.Picture = PhotosDir() & PhotoName Else imgPhoto.Picture = PhotosDir() & "noimage.jpg" End If End Sub > > On Oct 7, 2011, at 12:06 PM, "Brad Marks" > wrote: > > > All, > > > > Earlier I posted a question about Attachment fields. I was able to > > find an answer to my question and I have a test application that > > works Okay, but it seems a bit complicated for what I am trying to > > do. > > > > I thought that if I explained what I am trying to accomplish, maybe > > someone would have some insights or suggestions. > > > > I am pulling "Part" information from a SQL Server database into > > Access 2007 via ODBC. One of the fields in the Parts table is the > > location of an image of the Part. (for example > > C:\Part_Images\Part001.jpg). > > > > I want to be able to use an Access 2007 Report (in Report View) to > > display the appropriate .jpg file for each detail line on the > > report. > > > > I am able to accomplish this via the use of a "temporary" Access > > table that has an Attachment field for the images. This works, but > > I wonder if there is a better/simpler approach. > > > > I have experimented with placing an "Image" on the Report Detail > > lines, with hopes of changing the Images's "Picture" property on the > > fly for each detail line on the report. I cannot figure out how to > > do this. Perhaps Access 2007 does not allow this when using "Report > > View". > > > > I would guess that others may have run into similar situations and > > may have some advice. > > > > Thanks for your help, > > > > Brad > > > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Sat Oct 8 17:04:19 2011 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Sun, 09 Oct 2011 08:04:19 +1000 Subject: [AccessD] 10 things I don't miss about Access In-Reply-To: References: , Message-ID: <4E90C8E3.19731.347C755@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Access Zealots are like any other zealots such as freetards and apple fanbois (and warmistas? ) They take *any* perceived criticism of their chosen path as blasphemy. Once they detect any sign of it , they stop reading, close their minds and go on the attack. -- Stuart On 8 Oct 2011 at 10:38, Susan Harkins wrote: > Wow... I'm always surprised when someone takes such a 180% turn of > what I've written. It's like they don't really read what I've written > at all. They don't agree with a specific point or they read the > headings. Thanks to you and Gustav for championing my true intent. I > appreciate that. > > FWIW, the people that fuss the loudest about my opinions, seem to have > much stronger ones than mine. I always find that... interesting. And > of course, after they trash you, sometimes personally, they get even > madder because you don't say, "Oh my, you're so right, thank you for > saving me from my folly!" > > I love Access, always have. I'm sorry to see MS taking it in the > direction they have, but even so, I can still admit Access' > short-comings. I think that's just being realistic and frankly, you > need to do that in order to give your clients/users the best of what > they really need. I love Access, but I'm not a junkie. :) > > Susan H. > > > > > OK, for those interested, here's the link that will give you a > > logged in view of the EE thread that gustav mentioned: > > > > http://rdsrc.us/lIghoA > > > > Comments on Susan's article are the last fifteen or so comments at > > the > > bottom of the thread (about 2/3'rds of the way down - first comment > > was posted 10/7 at 4:29 pm). > > > > This is a continually running thread we have in the Access Zone, so > > there > > is a lot of stuff in the beginning that doesn't apply. > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Sat Oct 8 17:17:14 2011 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Sat, 08 Oct 2011 18:17:14 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] 10 things I don't miss about Access In-Reply-To: <4E90C8E3.19731.347C755@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: , <4E90C8E3.19731.347C755@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <4E90CBEA.1000601@colbyconsulting.com> You forgot the Inteliots John W. Colby Colby Consulting On 10/8/2011 6:04 PM, Stuart McLachlan wrote: > Access Zealots are like any other zealots such as freetards and apple fanbois (and > warmistas?) > > They take *any* perceived criticism of their chosen path as blasphemy. Once they detect any > sign of it , they stop reading, close their minds and go on the attack. > > From accessd at shaw.ca Sun Oct 9 01:03:02 2011 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2011 23:03:02 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] OT - John Colby - volunteer work with Prisons -Minnesota Public Radio program In-Reply-To: <01018F7E24CF49339BA54E4B38BC877F@abpc> References: <01018F7E24CF49339BA54E4B38BC877F@abpc> Message-ID: <14B78BF8B8B846F7A0F6F2B03EB1E0FB@creativesystemdesigns.com> Good wise words...but it still does not give a government a blank cheque because they just provide lip-service to the concept of democracy. Churchill, him-self was unceremoniously, kicked from power because he sent the army after striking workers...but at least it didn't take a revolution to oust him. Jim -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Asger Blond Sent: Saturday, October 08, 2011 5:38 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT - John Colby - volunteer work with Prisons -Minnesota Public Radio program Wise words - as are Winston Churchill's: "Many forms of Government have been tried, and will be tried in this world of sin and woe. No one pretends that democracy is perfect or all-wise. Indeed it has been said that democracy is the worst form of Government except for all those other forms that have been tried from time to time." Asger -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Kenneth Ismert Sendt: 7. oktober 2011 22:14 Til: accessd at databaseadvisors.com Emne: Re: [AccessD] OT - John Colby - volunteer work with Prisons - Minnesota Public Radio program I rarely make OT comments, but here's the exception: I see a lot of similarity between political belief and religious belief. Virtually all of us today were told of the political or religious framework we adhere to. Even those who seek almost never invent a novel set of beliefs, but simply pick from available alternatives. We choose our belief systems for reasons that have very little to to with logic, and everything to do with emotion. Proof of this is that our tenets rarely hold up to unbiased, scientific scrutiny. If a particular belief was provably correct, shouldn't it be universally accepted, like the laws of gravitation, or the Pythagorean theorem? And yet, problematic as they are, our beliefs are very real to us, perhaps more real than any other aspect of our existence. So, we find ourselves today in this setting of global competing passed-down dogmas, that are fiercely believed in and passionately championed, in spite of scarce proof. In the old days, the obvious and often-used resolution to these conflicts was to kill or imprison the others, the infidels, the political apostates. For all their problems, frailties, and pitfalls, there is one thing that can be unequivocally said about modern, religion-neutral democracies: the streets are almost entirely free of bloodshed when power changes hands or religious movements gain ground, and the prisons are remarkably free of political and religious prisoners. So, before we give up, and condemn our current systems to the dust bin, let us consider the achievements of our more enlightened societies and their political systems. We have difficulties because these systems are imperfect. But anyone who suggests, or implies, that we should revert to the political systems of old has forgotten what truly horrible things those historical regimes could be. The only real way forward is to invent new structures that address our current grievances, while embedding even more deeply respect for our differences, based on a more solid, fundamental and complete understanding of who we are as as species. That is the current belief I irrationally and emotionally adhere to. -Ken ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: jwcolby > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving < > accessd at databaseadvisors.com> > Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2011 10:36:41 -0400 > Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT - John Colby - volunteer work with Prisons - > Minnesota Public Radio program > Dan, > > Sadly politics is broken, not just in the US but around the world. > > I did an 8 month training, one full weekend a month to learn to be an > advocate for people with disabilities. My daughter Allie has many > disabilities caused by a genetic duplication. One of the weekends was > dedicated to educating us on the political system, what special interests > means, lobbying and so forth. > > Elections are won with advertising, advertising costs money, and companies > (mostly) have money. But in the end it all comes down to people. Everyone > believes what they believe, are (have been) convinced of the "truth" of > their belief system. > > Republicans really do believe that government has no business being in the > "help" business, that it is the job of the people to help each other. > Democrats believe the opposite. People have become jaded and believe that > nobody cares any more and so stop caring themselves. > > Ignoring the names of the political parties, this is not an American > problem it is a world problem, which occurs any time there are so many > people that we no longer know our neighbors. I don't mean "know their face" > I mean "get to know" our neighbors. > > What we were shown in that weekend is that the primary job of a politician > is to get re-elected. The politician him/herself has a belief system but > unless (s)he can get (re)elected (s)he cannot implement the belief system. > Once elected, there are so many conflicting interests that (s)he cannot > really function effectively. > > The system truly is broken, and probably always has been. > > The only hope for mankind is for us to realize that we all stand together > or we all fall alone. People have to individually make an effort to help > others less fortunate than ourselves. Which is a lot of work, and there is > a college football game on... and after that is Dancing with the Stars... > and besides, what difference can I really make? > > :) > > > John W. Colby > Colby Consulting > > On 10/4/2011 5:17 PM, Dan Waters wrote: > >> John- some of this will change in the next election. Unfortunately, too >> many people need to learn things the hard way. And learning that voting >> carefully, not emotionally, is actually important. Politics is not a >> reality TV show - it's real people really getting hurt. >> >> Dan >> > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Arthur Fuller > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving < > accessd at databaseadvisors.com> > Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2011 11:10:51 -0400 > Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT - John Colby - volunteer work with Prisons - > Minnesota Public Radio program > I think that you are onto something here, JWC. And I am seriously unsure of > the consequences that I draw, but here they are: > > 1. Political parties of whatever stripe are by definition attacks on > popular > opinion. I don't see any other way to see this. Let us for example take a > hypothetical voter who is against abortion and also against religious > instruction in public schools. No party represents this theoretical person. > The inevitable result is that I choose the party that shares the most > number > of values and propositions with me, and that SUCKS. > > Tomorrow is Election Day in Ontario, and various polls indicate that either > the Libs or the Cons are slated to have a minority win, and in either case > that means that my party, the NDP, is going to hold the balance of power. > > On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 10:36 AM, jwcolby >wrote: > > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Sun Oct 9 01:13:13 2011 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2011 23:13:13 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] 10 things I don't miss about Access In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2704F48FFD08482D81B04D436D8D4DB6@creativesystemdesigns.com> I think Microsoft should have moved MS Access into .Net and extended web capabilities. A transitional period would have been nice as well. Then MS could have had an excellent platform, that would run under any OS and browser, a huge set of trained developers ready to defend and build their products. Just cutting off a whole product line is not likely to garner much product and company loyalty. That is just my opinion but I have been working with Access since 2002...nearly 20 years. Jim -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins Sent: Saturday, October 08, 2011 7:38 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] 10 things I don't miss about Access Wow... I'm always surprised when someone takes such a 180% turn of what I've written. It's like they don't really read what I've written at all. They don't agree with a specific point or they read the headings. Thanks to you and Gustav for championing my true intent. I appreciate that. FWIW, the people that fuss the loudest about my opinions, seem to have much stronger ones than mine. I always find that... interesting. And of course, after they trash you, sometimes personally, they get even madder because you don't say, "Oh my, you're so right, thank you for saving me from my folly!" I love Access, always have. I'm sorry to see MS taking it in the direction they have, but even so, I can still admit Access' short-comings. I think that's just being realistic and frankly, you need to do that in order to give your clients/users the best of what they really need. I love Access, but I'm not a junkie. :) Susan H. > > OK, for those interested, here's the link that will give you a logged in > view of the EE thread that gustav mentioned: > > http://rdsrc.us/lIghoA > > Comments on Susan's article are the last fifteen or so comments at the > bottom of the thread (about 2/3'rds of the way down - first comment was > posted 10/7 at 4:29 pm). > > This is a continually running thread we have in the Access Zone, so there > is a lot of stuff in the beginning that doesn't apply. -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru Sun Oct 9 04:40:41 2011 From: shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov) Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2011 13:40:41 +0400 Subject: [AccessD] Drew Wutka memorial ideas In-Reply-To: <006701cc83c7$0c766cc0$25634640$@net> References: <01b301cc83b5$741defe0$5c59cfa0$@winhaven.net> <006701cc83c7$0c766cc0$25634640$@net> Message-ID: <55553C11DA024DEF8AE19CD0B4323CAE@nant> Yes, I'd definitely wire some money by PayPal to Drew's family/kids. I have just came back home and I have got read that tragic news about Drew's passing away. My deepest condolences to all of Drew's family and friends. -- Shamil -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Simms Sent: 6 ??????? 2011 ?. 5:27 To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Drew Wutka memorial ideas I'll definitely "chip in". I know this is not a warm and fuzzy way of doing it, but would PayPal be out of the question here ? I mean...it's at least convenient. The recipient could establish an account there within days. -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From marksimms at verizon.net Sun Oct 9 09:41:15 2011 From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms) Date: Sun, 09 Oct 2011 10:41:15 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] 10 things I don't miss about Access In-Reply-To: <584522BE54DB429788CFBDFD3D1D6073@XPS> References: <584522BE54DB429788CFBDFD3D1D6073@XPS> Message-ID: <007901cc8691$804a88d0$80df9a70$@net> Jim - What about Power Basic ? How does that stack-up relative to Access ? I know they've been continually improving that product....so it's not dead, But the user base must be very small. > But the data environment alone when working with forms is something > Access developers would kill for. Add to that the ability to compile into a > true .EXE, work with just about any 3rd party control, build COM objects or > DLL's, having unit testing capability, and being able to do n-tier > designs, and it made it quite attractive. Microsoft unfortunately killed it > just as I was coming up to speed with it, so I was back to square one looking > for the next best thing. I keep trying to get into VS, but I keep getting > pulled back into Access. From marksimms at verizon.net Sun Oct 9 09:42:53 2011 From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms) Date: Sun, 09 Oct 2011 10:42:53 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] 10 things I don't miss about Access In-Reply-To: <4E907F88.6040905@colbyconsulting.com> References: <584522BE54DB429788CFBDFD3D1D6073@XPS> <4E907F88.6040905@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <007a01cc8691$bab1dbe0$301593a0$@net> > C# is in another league entirely in terms of raw ability. John - I think it's the FRAMEWORK not just the language per se. From accessd at shaw.ca Sun Oct 9 10:56:50 2011 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2011 08:56:50 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] 10 things I don't miss about Access In-Reply-To: <007901cc8691$804a88d0$80df9a70$@net> References: <584522BE54DB429788CFBDFD3D1D6073@XPS> <007901cc8691$804a88d0$80df9a70$@net> Message-ID: <237A00C761104F3DB7D9F3FCBB4647D9@creativesystemdesigns.com> Let us not talk about Power Basic. Is that not the private preserve of Stuart? ;-) Jim -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Simms Sent: Sunday, October 09, 2011 7:41 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] 10 things I don't miss about Access Jim - What about Power Basic ? How does that stack-up relative to Access ? I know they've been continually improving that product....so it's not dead, But the user base must be very small. > But the data environment alone when working with forms is something > Access developers would kill for. Add to that the ability to compile into a > true .EXE, work with just about any 3rd party control, build COM objects or > DLL's, having unit testing capability, and being able to do n-tier > designs, and it made it quite attractive. Microsoft unfortunately killed it > just as I was coming up to speed with it, so I was back to square one looking > for the next best thing. I keep trying to get into VS, but I keep getting > pulled back into Access. -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Sun Oct 9 10:59:38 2011 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2011 08:59:38 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] 10 things I don't miss about Access In-Reply-To: <007a01cc8691$bab1dbe0$301593a0$@net> References: <584522BE54DB429788CFBDFD3D1D6073@XPS> <4E907F88.6040905@colbyconsulting.com> <007a01cc8691$bab1dbe0$301593a0$@net> Message-ID: <00211C4A69214F82A5DE08836B1A1362@creativesystemdesigns.com> MS Access was a framework for VB. There are many frameworks now, ones for Java, PHP and even .Net. Is Microsoft out the Framework business? Jim -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Simms Sent: Sunday, October 09, 2011 7:43 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] 10 things I don't miss about Access > C# is in another league entirely in terms of raw ability. John - I think it's the FRAMEWORK not just the language per se. -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Sun Oct 9 11:14:13 2011 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Sun, 09 Oct 2011 12:14:13 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] 10 things I don't miss about Access In-Reply-To: <007a01cc8691$bab1dbe0$301593a0$@net> References: <584522BE54DB429788CFBDFD3D1D6073@XPS> <4E907F88.6040905@colbyconsulting.com> <007a01cc8691$bab1dbe0$301593a0$@net> Message-ID: <4E91C855.6010001@colbyconsulting.com> Yes but the framework *is* the language. The language is literally a thin veneer over the framework. It calls down into the framework for everything. John W. Colby Colby Consulting On 10/9/2011 10:42 AM, Mark Simms wrote: >> C# is in another league entirely in terms of raw ability. > > John - I think it's the FRAMEWORK not just the language per se. > > > From shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru Sun Oct 9 13:36:11 2011 From: shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov) Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2011 22:36:11 +0400 Subject: [AccessD] 10 things I don't miss about Access In-Reply-To: <2704F48FFD08482D81B04D436D8D4DB6@creativesystemdesigns.com> References: <2704F48FFD08482D81B04D436D8D4DB6@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: Hi Jim -- <<< I have been working with Access since 2002...nearly 20 years. >>> Do you mean since November, 1992? (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Access) I have started to develop MS Access apps one year later - end of year 1993 - and in summer 1994 I have been feeling myself a kind of MS Access/VBA "Expert", really :) - I have got my first international MS Access project in summer 1995 and that was very heavy duty MS Access VBA/programming... ... with .NET/C#/VB.NET getting at "Expert" level takes 4-5 years I suppose (at least that was my experience) - still this .NET/C#/VB.NET/... development environment is so rapidly changing/evolving that one has to be learning constantly new and new technologies/programming concepts implemented in .NET and its main languages C#/VB.NET. In fact many of that "new concepts" are "good old ones" - as e.g. functional programming, lambda calculus - very useful stuff, `makes coding streamlined, ready for parallelization - have a look - http://blogs.msdn.com/b/ericwhite/archive/2006/10/04/fp-tutorial.aspx ... And MS Access/VBA has got into "stagnation/very slow evolution phase" since MS Access 2002/XP - then years for now... :( Thank you. -- Shamil -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: 9 ??????? 2011 ?. 10:13 To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] 10 things I don't miss about Access I think Microsoft should have moved MS Access into .Net and extended web capabilities. A transitional period would have been nice as well. Then MS could have had an excellent platform, that would run under any OS and browser, a huge set of trained developers ready to defend and build their products. Just cutting off a whole product line is not likely to garner much product and company loyalty. That is just my opinion but I have been working with Access since 2002...nearly 20 years. Jim From fuller.artful at gmail.com Sun Oct 9 14:43:06 2011 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2011 15:43:06 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Trouble referencing a control on another form Message-ID: I'm having trouble with the following scenario: I'm in one form (call it FormA). A button there opens another form (FormB), which displays a list of records and a pair of buttons (Copy and Close). The code in FormA opens FormB in dialog mode. The general idea here is that the user selects a record on FormB and hits the Copy button, whose code merely says "Me.Visible" = False. The code on the Close button closes the form. At this point, we are back on FormA, If FormB is still loaded, then I want to copy certain of its controls to controls of the same name on FormB. I've tried several approaches such as: With Me .MachineOrPress = Forms("FormB).MachineOrPress End With I also tried; Dim frm as form Set frm = Forms("FormB") With Me .MachineOrPress = frm.MachineOrPress End With In both cases, all I can see in Intellisense is the properties of FormB -- not the list of controls. I know there has to be a simple way to to refer to FormB's controls, but so far I haven't got it, and if I don't it soon I'll scrap this approach and use a recordset instead. Can anyone help me sort this out? TIA, Arthur From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Sun Oct 9 16:52:53 2011 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2011 07:52:53 +1000 Subject: [AccessD] 10 things I don't miss about Access In-Reply-To: <007901cc8691$804a88d0$80df9a70$@net> References: , <584522BE54DB429788CFBDFD3D1D6073@XPS>, <007901cc8691$804a88d0$80df9a70$@net> Message-ID: <4E9217B5.21112.863B768@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Completely different kettle of fish. That's llike asking how does C++ compare to Access. While you *could* do anything in PB or C++ that you can do in Access with a great deal of effort, they are complementary development tools rather than rivals. -- Stuart On 9 Oct 2011 at 10:41, Mark Simms wrote: > Jim - What about Power Basic ? How does that stack-up relative to > Access ? I know they've been continually improving that product....so > it's not dead, But the user base must be very small. > > > But the data environment alone when working with forms is > > something > > Access developers would kill for. Add to that the ability to > > compile into > a > > true .EXE, work with just about any 3rd party control, build COM > > objects > or > > DLL's, having unit testing capability, and being able to do n-tier > > designs, and it made it quite attractive. Microsoft unfortunately > > killed > it > > just as I was coming up to speed with it, so I was back to square > > one > looking > > for the next best thing. I keep trying to get into VS, but I keep > > getting pulled back into Access. > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Sun Oct 9 16:59:04 2011 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2011 07:59:04 +1000 Subject: [AccessD] Trouble referencing a control on another form In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4E921928.27411.86960A2@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Forms("FormB).Form!MachineOrPress -- Stuart On 9 Oct 2011 at 15:43, Arthur Fuller wrote: > I'm having trouble with the following scenario: > > I'm in one form (call it FormA). A button there opens another form > (FormB), which displays a list of records and a pair of buttons (Copy > and Close). The code in FormA opens FormB in dialog mode. The general > idea here is that the user selects a record on FormB and hits the Copy > button, whose code merely says "Me.Visible" = False. The code on the > Close button closes the form. At this point, we are back on FormA, If > FormB is still loaded, then I want to copy certain of its controls to > controls of the same name on FormB. > > I've tried several approaches such as: > > With Me > .MachineOrPress = Forms("FormB).MachineOrPress > End With > > I also tried; > > Dim frm as form > Set frm = Forms("FormB") > With Me > .MachineOrPress = frm.MachineOrPress > End With > > In both cases, all I can see in Intellisense is the properties of > FormB -- not the list of controls. > > I know there has to be a simple way to to refer to FormB's controls, > but so far I haven't got it, and if I don't it soon I'll scrap this > approach and use a recordset instead. > > Can anyone help me sort this out? > > TIA, > Arthur > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From fuller.artful at gmail.com Sun Oct 9 18:09:54 2011 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2011 19:09:54 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Trouble referencing a control on another form In-Reply-To: <4E921928.27411.86960A2@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: <4E921928.27411.86960A2@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: I'll give that a shot. Thanks. But I'm kind of surprised that the bang works while the dot doesn't. A. On Sun, Oct 9, 2011 at 5:59 PM, Stuart McLachlan wrote: > Forms("FormB).Form!MachineOrPress > > -- > Stuart > > From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Sun Oct 9 18:25:29 2011 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2011 09:25:29 +1000 Subject: [AccessD] Trouble referencing a control on another form In-Reply-To: References: , <4E921928.27411.86960A2@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>, Message-ID: <4E922D69.15203.8B87C3E@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> It's not the bang, it's the addition of "Form" -- Stuart On 9 Oct 2011 at 19:09, Arthur Fuller wrote: > I'll give that a shot. Thanks. But I'm kind of surprised that the bang > works while the dot doesn't. > > A. > > On Sun, Oct 9, 2011 at 5:59 PM, Stuart McLachlan > wrote: > > > Forms("FormB).Form!MachineOrPress > > > > -- > > Stuart > > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au Sun Oct 9 18:45:59 2011 From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins) Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2011 10:45:59 +1100 Subject: [AccessD] Trouble referencing a control on another form In-Reply-To: <4E922D69.15203.8B87C3E@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: , <4E921928.27411.86960A2@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>, <4E922D69.15203.8B87C3E@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <001401cc86dd$9941ea30$cbc5be90$@com.au> In simple terms: <> Cheers Darryl -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan Sent: Monday, 10 October 2011 10:25 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Trouble referencing a control on another form It's not the bang, it's the addition of "Form" -- Stuart On 9 Oct 2011 at 19:09, Arthur Fuller wrote: > I'll give that a shot. Thanks. But I'm kind of surprised that the bang > works while the dot doesn't. > > A. > > On Sun, Oct 9, 2011 at 5:59 PM, Stuart McLachlan > wrote: > > > Forms("FormB).Form!MachineOrPress > > > > -- > > Stuart > > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au Sun Oct 9 18:47:42 2011 From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins) Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2011 10:47:42 +1100 Subject: [AccessD] Trouble referencing a control on another form In-Reply-To: References: <4E921928.27411.86960A2@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <001501cc86dd$d67c8180$83758480$@com.au> Actually, this is what I was looking for.... Been a while. <> I found this to be super useful when it comes to dealing with forms, subforms and controls. Cheers Darryl. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Monday, 10 October 2011 10:10 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Trouble referencing a control on another form I'll give that a shot. Thanks. But I'm kind of surprised that the bang works while the dot doesn't. A. On Sun, Oct 9, 2011 at 5:59 PM, Stuart McLachlan wrote: > Forms("FormB).Form!MachineOrPress > > -- > Stuart > > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru Mon Oct 10 01:15:57 2011 From: shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov) Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2011 10:15:57 +0400 Subject: [AccessD] Writing and Hosting a Web Service in the SharePoint 2010 Demo Virtual Machine... Message-ID: <4D3A0180687B4AF8B4695CC635BAA56A@nant> Hi All -- In this article/blog entry: Writing and Hosting a Web Service in the SharePoint 2010 Demo Virtual Machine http://blogs.msdn.com/b/ericwhite/archive/2010/07/16/writing-and-hosting-a-w eb-service-in-the-sharepoint-2010-demo-virtual-machine.aspx the author refers to a test virtual machine image with SharePoint 2010 configured: "My favorite way to develop/experiment/write about SharePoint 2010 is to use the 2010 Information Worker Demonstration and Evaluation Virtual Machine. It is a great virtual machine - finely tuned, and has all of the necessary software installed, including SharePoint Server 2010, Visual Studio 2010, Office 2010, etc. I do on occasion build my own virtual machines when absolutely necessary, but I consider it a necessary evil, not something that I enjoy." The link directs to "http://www.microsoft.com/download/en/details.aspx?displaylang=en&id=21099" but VM isn't available there for downloading. Do you know is it still available for free downloading from MS web site? (Was it a free download?) Thank you. -- Shamil From shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru Mon Oct 10 01:37:06 2011 From: shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov) Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2011 10:37:06 +0400 Subject: [AccessD] [dba-VB] Writing and Hosting a Web Service in the SharePoint 2010Demo Virtual Machine... In-Reply-To: <4D3A0180687B4AF8B4695CC635BAA56A@nant> References: <4D3A0180687B4AF8B4695CC635BAA56A@nant> Message-ID: <7360072243CB49A7909DE5AC1AC87336@nant> Hi All -- I have found this link related to the subject: Download Microsoft FAST Search Server 2010 for SharePoint Trial today http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/evalcenter/ee424282 It looks good but it's "too much" - I just need a demo/trial VM with SharePoint 2010 Server configured to test some C#/OpenXML SDK/VBA + SharePoint coding. Is there SharePoint 2010 running in 32bit system environments? If not is it possible to run 64bit virtual machine on 32bit systems? - should be possible I guess, might be slow - no problem Thank you. -- Shamil -----Original Message----- From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil Salakhetdinov Sent: 10 ??????? 2011 ?. 10:16 To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Cc: 'Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues.' Subject: [dba-VB] Writing and Hosting a Web Service in the SharePoint 2010Demo Virtual Machine... Hi All -- In this article/blog entry: Writing and Hosting a Web Service in the SharePoint 2010 Demo Virtual Machine http://blogs.msdn.com/b/ericwhite/archive/2010/07/16/writing-and-hosting-a-w eb-service-in-the-sharepoint-2010-demo-virtual-machine.aspx the author refers to a test virtual machine image with SharePoint 2010 configured: "My favorite way to develop/experiment/write about SharePoint 2010 is to use the 2010 Information Worker Demonstration and Evaluation Virtual Machine. It is a great virtual machine - finely tuned, and has all of the necessary software installed, including SharePoint Server 2010, Visual Studio 2010, Office 2010, etc. I do on occasion build my own virtual machines when absolutely necessary, but I consider it a necessary evil, not something that I enjoy." The link directs to "http://www.microsoft.com/download/en/details.aspx?displaylang=en&id=21099" but VM isn't available there for downloading. Do you know is it still available for free downloading from MS web site? (Was it a free download?) Thank you. -- Shamil _______________________________________________ dba-VB mailing list dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb http://www.databaseadvisors.com From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk Mon Oct 10 01:57:53 2011 From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid) Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2011 07:57:53 +0100 Subject: [AccessD] Writing and Hosting a Web Service in the SharePoint 2010 Demo Virtual Machine... Message-ID: <631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB082956A302CE171@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk> It should be there and its free but times out at 180 days. Martin Sent from my Windows Phone ________________________________ From: Shamil Salakhetdinov Sent: 10/10/2011 07:19 To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Cc: 'Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues.' Subject: [AccessD] Writing and Hosting a Web Service in the SharePoint 2010 Demo Virtual Machine... Hi All -- In this article/blog entry: Writing and Hosting a Web Service in the SharePoint 2010 Demo Virtual Machine http://blogs.msdn.com/b/ericwhite/archive/2010/07/16/writing-and-hosting-a-w eb-service-in-the-sharepoint-2010-demo-virtual-machine.aspx the author refers to a test virtual machine image with SharePoint 2010 configured: "My favorite way to develop/experiment/write about SharePoint 2010 is to use the 2010 Information Worker Demonstration and Evaluation Virtual Machine. It is a great virtual machine - finely tuned, and has all of the necessary software installed, including SharePoint Server 2010, Visual Studio 2010, Office 2010, etc. I do on occasion build my own virtual machines when absolutely necessary, but I consider it a necessary evil, not something that I enjoy." The link directs to "http://www.microsoft.com/download/en/details.aspx?displaylang=en&id=21099" but VM isn't available there for downloading. Do you know is it still available for free downloading from MS web site? (Was it a free download?) Thank you. -- Shamil -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Mon Oct 10 08:04:25 2011 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2011 09:04:25 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Select one of several open forms Message-ID: I have a main form, another form (FormA) and a popup (FormB). When the user enters values in the popup, I hide that form. The intent is to then copy some values back to FormA and then close FormB. That part seems to work fine. The problem is that control is returning to the main form rather than to FormA. I recall that there is a way to set the focus specifically to any given open form but I can't remember it. Is it as simple as "FormA.SetFocus"? TIA, Arthur From ab-mi at post3.tele.dk Mon Oct 10 08:18:59 2011 From: ab-mi at post3.tele.dk (Asger Blond) Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2011 15:18:59 +0200 Subject: [AccessD] Select one of several open forms In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Forms("FormA").SetFocus Asger -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Arthur Fuller Sendt: 10. oktober 2011 15:04 Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Emne: [AccessD] Select one of several open forms I have a main form, another form (FormA) and a popup (FormB). When the user enters values in the popup, I hide that form. The intent is to then copy some values back to FormA and then close FormB. That part seems to work fine. The problem is that control is returning to the main form rather than to FormA. I recall that there is a way to set the focus specifically to any given open form but I can't remember it. Is it as simple as "FormA.SetFocus"? TIA, Arthur -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From darren at activebilling.com.au Mon Oct 10 08:24:21 2011 From: darren at activebilling.com.au (Darren - Active Billing) Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 00:24:21 +1100 Subject: [AccessD] Select one of several open forms In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <003b01cc874f$ed0d74f0$c7285ed0$@activebilling.com.au> Hi Arthur Something like... Forms!formA!SomeControlOnFormA.setfocus Is what I do. I always have a "transparent" command button on each and every one of my forms called "TabBlank". It has its tab property set to zero and is always my 'resting place' for the cursor when I need one, and an attachment point too (as in this case) when I need one. I can refer to it in code when things are 'running' (Send the cursor there) and when I need to disable controls, I send the focus there too for neatness to avoid "you can't disable the current control" messages - That sort of stuff. I don't always like returning to a data entry field (Unless required). As access (depending on configuration options) usually highlights the value in the field when the focus arrives. Users (I dunno why) often like to hit the space bar when returning to their screens especially if their screen saver is on. Often deleting the contents of the selected field. So I usually do something like Forms!frForma!TabBlank.setfocus Hope this helps See ya Darren -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Tuesday, 11 October 2011 12:04 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: [AccessD] Select one of several open forms I have a main form, another form (FormA) and a popup (FormB). When the user enters values in the popup, I hide that form. The intent is to then copy some values back to FormA and then close FormB. That part seems to work fine. The problem is that control is returning to the main form rather than to FormA. I recall that there is a way to set the focus specifically to any given open form but I can't remember it. Is it as simple as "FormA.SetFocus"? TIA, Arthur -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Mon Oct 10 08:27:55 2011 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2011 09:27:55 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Select one of several open forms In-Reply-To: <003b01cc874f$ed0d74f0$c7285ed0$@activebilling.com.au> References: <003b01cc874f$ed0d74f0$c7285ed0$@activebilling.com.au> Message-ID: Thanks to both of you. Arthur From shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru Mon Oct 10 08:43:56 2011 From: shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov) Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2011 17:43:56 +0400 Subject: [AccessD] Writing and Hosting a Web Service in the SharePoint 2010 Demo Virtual Machine... In-Reply-To: <631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB082956A302CE171@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk> References: <631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB082956A302CE171@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk> Message-ID: Thank you Martin, And do you know there exist any paid (economical class - pay per API call - something like that) SharePoint hosting services with SharePoint 2010 Word Automation Services (http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ff742315.aspx) and SharePoint 2010 Excel Services (http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ff640648.aspx) ? Thank you. -- Shamil -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Martin Reid Sent: 10 ??????? 2011 ?. 10:58 To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Cc: 'Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues.' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Writing and Hosting a Web Service in the SharePoint 2010 Demo Virtual Machine... It should be there and its free but times out at 180 days. Martin Sent from my Windows Phone ________________________________ From: Shamil Salakhetdinov Sent: 10/10/2011 07:19 To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Cc: 'Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues.' Subject: [AccessD] Writing and Hosting a Web Service in the SharePoint 2010 Demo Virtual Machine... Hi All -- In this article/blog entry: Writing and Hosting a Web Service in the SharePoint 2010 Demo Virtual Machine http://blogs.msdn.com/b/ericwhite/archive/2010/07/16/writing-and-hosting-a-w eb-service-in-the-sharepoint-2010-demo-virtual-machine.aspx the author refers to a test virtual machine image with SharePoint 2010 configured: "My favorite way to develop/experiment/write about SharePoint 2010 is to use the 2010 Information Worker Demonstration and Evaluation Virtual Machine. It is a great virtual machine - finely tuned, and has all of the necessary software installed, including SharePoint Server 2010, Visual Studio 2010, Office 2010, etc. I do on occasion build my own virtual machines when absolutely necessary, but I consider it a necessary evil, not something that I enjoy." The link directs to "http://www.microsoft.com/download/en/details.aspx?displaylang=en&id=21099" but VM isn't available there for downloading. Do you know is it still available for free downloading from MS web site? (Was it a free download?) Thank you. -- Shamil -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Mon Oct 10 10:47:51 2011 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2011 11:47:51 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] OT - John Colby - volunteer work with Prisons -Minnesota Public Radio program In-Reply-To: <14B78BF8B8B846F7A0F6F2B03EB1E0FB@creativesystemdesigns.com> References: <01018F7E24CF49339BA54E4B38BC877F@abpc> <14B78BF8B8B846F7A0F6F2B03EB1E0FB@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: It's also worth noting that Churchill was referring to parliamentary democracy, as practised in Britain and Canada among others. By this definition, the USA is not a democracy but rather a republic, and there are several large differences. Ask William Hindman, if you doubt this, but for starters the relative weight of the fed vs. the states; the electoral college, and on the other side, the ability of political parties in Britain and Canada to replace their leaders at will, whether or not said leader is Prime Minister. Arthur On Sun, Oct 9, 2011 at 2:03 AM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > Good wise words...but it still does not give a government a blank cheque > because they just provide lip-service to the concept of democracy. > > Churchill, him-self was unceremoniously, kicked from power because he sent > the army after striking workers...but at least it didn't take a revolution > to oust him. > > Jim > > From okiearcher at gmail.com Mon Oct 10 12:36:08 2011 From: okiearcher at gmail.com (Keith) Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2011 12:36:08 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Update schedule table with new dates Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20111010123452.0313c588@mail.archersworld.com> Hi all. I posted this message to Access-L this morning with no response, so I was wondering if anyone here could help me. I have a need to develop a process (or modify an existing) to update a table. Let's say I have tblSched with fields like: strStoreNum, strLocation, dteBidDate, dtePossessionDate, dteOpenDate. Each week my users update a new Excel schedule sheet and put it in a common network directory. I need to develop or find a function that will go out to the network folder import the Excel file into a new table, and update the tblSched with any CHANGED dates from the newly imported table. (Or I could just do a compare to the Excel sheet without importing, if that works better.) I also need to add any new stores to the tblSched that are included in the new Excel sheet that were not in the table prior to the update. I am just preliminarily assuming that this will involve Append and Update queries, or looping through individual records/fields in the two tables. Are there any functions out there that will come close to doing what I am try to do? Thanks. Keith From charlotte.foust at gmail.com Mon Oct 10 15:44:34 2011 From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust) Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2011 13:44:34 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Update schedule table with new dates In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20111010123452.0313c588@mail.archersworld.com> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20111010123452.0313c588@mail.archersworld.com> Message-ID: If by a "function" you mean something built in, no. If you want code to do it, that may be doable, but you need to tell us what version of Access you're using and what exactly you are trying to accomplish in more detail. It sounds like you have mutliple users entering data into an Excel workbook, but is it a shared workbook or multiple workbooks? Does it have a single worksheet or multiples, i.e., one for each user, or what? What data field or fields are you keying off of on the spreadsheet, and what kind of keys do you have in the Access tables. What do you want to do with the data once it's in Access? That determines data structures and a bunch of other things. Fill in the blanks, and someone may be able to help. Charlotte Foust On Mon, Oct 10, 2011 at 10:36 AM, Keith wrote: > Hi all. > > I posted this message to Access-L this morning with no response, so I was > wondering if anyone here could help me. > > I have a need to develop a process (or modify an existing) to update a > table. Let's say I have tblSched with fields like: strStoreNum, strLocation, > dteBidDate, dtePossessionDate, dteOpenDate. > > Each week my users update a new Excel schedule sheet and put it in a common > network directory. I need to develop or find a function that will go out to > the network folder import the Excel file into a new table, and update the > tblSched with any CHANGED dates from the newly imported table. (Or I could > just do a compare to the Excel sheet without importing, if that works > better.) > > I also need to add any new stores to the tblSched that are included in the > new Excel sheet that were not in the table prior to the update. > > I am just preliminarily assuming that this will involve Append and Update > queries, or looping through individual records/fields in the two tables. > > Are there any functions out there that will come close to doing what I am > try to do? > > Thanks. > Keith > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/accessd > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.**com > > > From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Mon Oct 10 16:07:05 2011 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 07:07:05 +1000 Subject: [AccessD] Update schedule table with new dates In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20111010123452.0313c588@mail.archersworld.com> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20111010123452.0313c588@mail.archersworld.com> Message-ID: <4E935E79.26994.D60259F@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> In addition to Charlotte's questions: How do you differentiate between changed and new schedule items? On 10 Oct 2011 at 12:36, Keith wrote: > Hi all. > > I posted this message to Access-L this morning with no response, so I > was wondering if anyone here could help me. > > I have a need to develop a process (or modify an existing) to update a > table. Let's say I have tblSched with fields like: strStoreNum, > strLocation, dteBidDate, dtePossessionDate, dteOpenDate. > > Each week my users update a new Excel schedule sheet and put it in a > common network directory. I need to develop or find a function that > will go out to the network folder import the Excel file into a new > table, and update the tblSched with any CHANGED dates from the newly > imported table. (Or I could just do a compare to the Excel sheet > without importing, if that works better.) > > I also need to add any new stores to the tblSched that are included in > the new Excel sheet that were not in the table prior to the update. > > I am just preliminarily assuming that this will involve Append and > Update queries, or looping through individual records/fields in the > two tables. > > Are there any functions out there that will come close to doing what I > am try to do? > > Thanks. > Keith > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From charlotte.foust at gmail.com Mon Oct 10 16:16:46 2011 From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust) Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2011 14:16:46 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] 10 things I don't miss about Access In-Reply-To: <2704F48FFD08482D81B04D436D8D4DB6@creativesystemdesigns.com> References: <2704F48FFD08482D81B04D436D8D4DB6@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: Jim, I've worked with Access since version 1 in 1992. It was a great app, with the emphasis on *was*. I agree, it would have been great to move into .Net, but they already had VS, and frankly once you work with that, it's really hard to tolerate the limitations of Access. Charlotte Foust On Sat, Oct 8, 2011 at 11:13 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > I think Microsoft should have moved MS Access into .Net and extended web > capabilities. A transitional period would have been nice as well. > > Then MS could have had an excellent platform, that would run under any OS > and browser, a huge set of trained developers ready to defend and build > their products. Just cutting off a whole product line is not likely to > garner much product and company loyalty. > > That is just my opinion but I have been working with Access since > 2002...nearly 20 years. > > Jim > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins > Sent: Saturday, October 08, 2011 7:38 AM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] 10 things I don't miss about Access > > Wow... I'm always surprised when someone takes such a 180% turn of what > I've > > written. It's like they don't really read what I've written at all. They > don't agree with a specific point or they read the headings. Thanks to you > and Gustav for championing my true intent. I appreciate that. > > FWIW, the people that fuss the loudest about my opinions, seem to have much > stronger ones than mine. I always find that... interesting. And of course, > after they trash you, sometimes personally, they get even madder because > you > > don't say, "Oh my, you're so right, thank you for saving me from my folly!" > > > I love Access, always have. I'm sorry to see MS taking it in the direction > they have, but even so, I can still admit Access' short-comings. I think > that's just being realistic and frankly, you need to do that in order to > give your clients/users the best of what they really need. I love Access, > but I'm not a junkie. :) > > Susan H. > > > > > OK, for those interested, here's the link that will give you a logged in > > view of the EE thread that gustav mentioned: > > > > http://rdsrc.us/lIghoA > > > > > > Comments on Susan's article are the last fifteen or so comments at the > > bottom of the thread (about 2/3'rds of the way down - first comment was > > posted 10/7 at 4:29 pm). > > > > This is a continually running thread we have in the Access Zone, so > there > > is a lot of stuff in the beginning that doesn't apply. > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > From accessd at shaw.ca Mon Oct 10 23:35:29 2011 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2011 21:35:29 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] 10 things I don't miss about Access In-Reply-To: References: <2704F48FFD08482D81B04D436D8D4DB6@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: <6C3B3CFE6C954B7B81F5A7E54CCA446D@creativesystemdesigns.com> Yes...thanks for catching that Shamil. Jim -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil Salakhetdinov Sent: Sunday, October 09, 2011 11:36 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] 10 things I don't miss about Access Hi Jim -- <<< I have been working with Access since 2002...nearly 20 years. >>> Do you mean since November, 1992? (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Access) I have started to develop MS Access apps one year later - end of year 1993 - and in summer 1994 I have been feeling myself a kind of MS Access/VBA "Expert", really :) - I have got my first international MS Access project in summer 1995 and that was very heavy duty MS Access VBA/programming... ... with .NET/C#/VB.NET getting at "Expert" level takes 4-5 years I suppose (at least that was my experience) - still this .NET/C#/VB.NET/... development environment is so rapidly changing/evolving that one has to be learning constantly new and new technologies/programming concepts implemented in .NET and its main languages C#/VB.NET. In fact many of that "new concepts" are "good old ones" - as e.g. functional programming, lambda calculus - very useful stuff, `makes coding streamlined, ready for parallelization - have a look - http://blogs.msdn.com/b/ericwhite/archive/2006/10/04/fp-tutorial.aspx ... And MS Access/VBA has got into "stagnation/very slow evolution phase" since MS Access 2002/XP - then years for now... :( Thank you. -- Shamil -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: 9 ??????? 2011 ?. 10:13 To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] 10 things I don't miss about Access I think Microsoft should have moved MS Access into .Net and extended web capabilities. A transitional period would have been nice as well. Then MS could have had an excellent platform, that would run under any OS and browser, a huge set of trained developers ready to defend and build their products. Just cutting off a whole product line is not likely to garner much product and company loyalty. That is just my opinion but I have been working with Access since 2002...nearly 20 years. Jim -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Mon Oct 10 23:55:31 2011 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2011 21:55:31 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] 10 things I don't miss about Access In-Reply-To: References: <2704F48FFD08482D81B04D436D8D4DB6@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: <592ABE68D47C4655A19A933A21F5CB66@creativesystemdesigns.com> I do realize MS Access is now really a limited product and the truth is I have moved on but maybe I am just a little sentimental. ;-) Jim -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust Sent: Monday, October 10, 2011 2:17 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] 10 things I don't miss about Access Jim, I've worked with Access since version 1 in 1992. It was a great app, with the emphasis on *was*. I agree, it would have been great to move into .Net, but they already had VS, and frankly once you work with that, it's really hard to tolerate the limitations of Access. Charlotte Foust On Sat, Oct 8, 2011 at 11:13 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > I think Microsoft should have moved MS Access into .Net and extended web > capabilities. A transitional period would have been nice as well. > > Then MS could have had an excellent platform, that would run under any OS > and browser, a huge set of trained developers ready to defend and build > their products. Just cutting off a whole product line is not likely to > garner much product and company loyalty. > > That is just my opinion but I have been working with Access since > 2002...nearly 20 years. > > Jim > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins > Sent: Saturday, October 08, 2011 7:38 AM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] 10 things I don't miss about Access > > Wow... I'm always surprised when someone takes such a 180% turn of what > I've > > written. It's like they don't really read what I've written at all. They > don't agree with a specific point or they read the headings. Thanks to you > and Gustav for championing my true intent. I appreciate that. > > FWIW, the people that fuss the loudest about my opinions, seem to have much > stronger ones than mine. I always find that... interesting. And of course, > after they trash you, sometimes personally, they get even madder because > you > > don't say, "Oh my, you're so right, thank you for saving me from my folly!" > > > I love Access, always have. I'm sorry to see MS taking it in the direction > they have, but even so, I can still admit Access' short-comings. I think > that's just being realistic and frankly, you need to do that in order to > give your clients/users the best of what they really need. I love Access, > but I'm not a junkie. :) > > Susan H. > > > > > OK, for those interested, here's the link that will give you a logged in > > view of the EE thread that gustav mentioned: > > > > http://rdsrc.us/lIghoA > > > > > > Comments on Susan's article are the last fifteen or so comments at the > > bottom of the thread (about 2/3'rds of the way down - first comment was > > posted 10/7 at 4:29 pm). > > > > This is a continually running thread we have in the Access Zone, so > there > > is a lot of stuff in the beginning that doesn't apply. > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Tue Oct 11 10:16:44 2011 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 11:16:44 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] We only notice the significant observations Message-ID: Ok, I plead guilty to the above. But nonetheless, it strikes me as Jungian synchronous how many times I glance at the time and it's 11:11 (am or pm, both count). Maybe this says more about when I am on-line than anything else, but it keeps on happening. It just happened 3 minutes ago, for the Nth-Hundred time this year. Anyone else experience similar "lucky numbers"? Granted, I ignore all the other random times, but even if I do that, and restrict the set to repeatable numbers (4:44, etc.), 11:11 keeps coming up for me most frequently. Perhaps I ought take this phenomenon to the craps table in the nearest casino LOL. A. From ssharkins at gmail.com Tue Oct 11 10:32:17 2011 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 11:32:17 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] We only notice the significant observations References: Message-ID: <76B9AA484280443FBCDB80730B8613A0@SusanHarkins> I do this frequently -- comes in spurts. I'll even wake up to see it's 2:22, 3:33, and so on. Kind of weird, but our brains are pretty powerful. I don't think they're lucky numbers. I don't think they're spirits messages (a common reasoning). I have no ideas why our brains would care, but maybe it's just because once it happens, we find it odd enough that our brain creates a little trigger -- when we stop being impressed by it, we stop seeing it. Just my guess and of course, it's worth zilch. Susan H. > Ok, I plead guilty to the above. But nonetheless, it strikes me as Jungian > synchronous how many times I glance at the time and it's 11:11 (am or pm, > both count). Maybe this says more about when I am on-line than anything > else, but it keeps on happening. It just happened 3 minutes ago, for the > Nth-Hundred time this year. > > Anyone else experience similar "lucky numbers"? > > Granted, I ignore all the other random times, but even if I do that, and > restrict the set to repeatable numbers (4:44, etc.), 11:11 keeps coming up > for me most frequently. Perhaps I ought take this phenomenon to the craps > table in the nearest casino LOL. > From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Tue Oct 11 11:15:49 2011 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 09:15:49 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] We only notice the significant observations In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9879741544574AB0827B9658FA8ACD4B@HAL9007> Perhaps you're in front of the clock (working, maybe?) at 11:11 than you are at 4:44. R -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2011 8:17 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: [AccessD] We only notice the significant observations Ok, I plead guilty to the above. But nonetheless, it strikes me as Jungian synchronous how many times I glance at the time and it's 11:11 (am or pm, both count). Maybe this says more about when I am on-line than anything else, but it keeps on happening. It just happened 3 minutes ago, for the Nth-Hundred time this year. Anyone else experience similar "lucky numbers"? Granted, I ignore all the other random times, but even if I do that, and restrict the set to repeatable numbers (4:44, etc.), 11:11 keeps coming up for me most frequently. Perhaps I ought take this phenomenon to the craps table in the nearest casino LOL. A. -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From markamatte at hotmail.com Tue Oct 11 11:20:54 2011 From: markamatte at hotmail.com (Mark A Matte) Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 16:20:54 +0000 Subject: [AccessD] We only notice the significant observations In-Reply-To: <9879741544574AB0827B9658FA8ACD4B@HAL9007> References: , <9879741544574AB0827B9658FA8ACD4B@HAL9007> Message-ID: The number that has always caught my attention was 256...whether it is 2:56 am/pm...the computer world...or even the first military unit I belonged to(256 Brigade 5th ID)...it just stands out in my mind and catches my attention (along with all the ones Arthur mentioned as well). Mark A. Matte > From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com > Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 09:15:49 -0700 > Subject: Re: [AccessD] We only notice the significant observations > > Perhaps you're in front of the clock (working, maybe?) at 11:11 than you are > at 4:44. > > R > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller > Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2011 8:17 AM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: [AccessD] We only notice the significant observations > > Ok, I plead guilty to the above. But nonetheless, it strikes me as Jungian > synchronous how many times I glance at the time and it's 11:11 (am or pm, > both count). Maybe this says more about when I am on-line than anything > else, but it keeps on happening. It just happened 3 minutes ago, for the > Nth-Hundred time this year. > > Anyone else experience similar "lucky numbers"? > > Granted, I ignore all the other random times, but even if I do that, and > restrict the set to repeatable numbers (4:44, etc.), 11:11 keeps coming up > for me most frequently. Perhaps I ought take this phenomenon to the craps > table in the nearest casino LOL. > > A. > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From michael at mattysconsulting.com Tue Oct 11 11:39:07 2011 From: michael at mattysconsulting.com (Michael Mattys) Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 12:39:07 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] We only notice the significant observations In-Reply-To: References: , <9879741544574AB0827B9658FA8ACD4B@HAL9007> Message-ID: <00b001cc8834$4de2fc20$e9a8f460$@mattysconsulting.com> I've always liked 10:01 - looks like a face with glasses. Other fascinations are those word-drawings people make, like the smiley :), and those short essays with missing words, missing letters, or misspellings that our brains can piece together for better or worse. This may be related to the Crime Scene Investigation phenomenon... All DA's and lawyers are experts in knowing how 'evidence' can be pieced together in such a manner as to convict someone of something that never happened or spin things in such a way as to provide acquittal from very serious charges. You may have even been convinced that 'evolution' is an actual scientific possibility ... Michael R Mattys Mattys Consulting, LLC www.mattysconsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark A Matte Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2011 12:21 PM To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [AccessD] We only notice the significant observations The number that has always caught my attention was 256...whether it is 2:56 am/pm...the computer world...or even the first military unit I belonged to(256 Brigade 5th ID)...it just stands out in my mind and catches my attention (along with all the ones Arthur mentioned as well). Mark A. Matte > From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com > Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 09:15:49 -0700 > Subject: Re: [AccessD] We only notice the significant observations > > Perhaps you're in front of the clock (working, maybe?) at 11:11 than > you are at 4:44. > > R > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur > Fuller > Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2011 8:17 AM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: [AccessD] We only notice the significant observations > > Ok, I plead guilty to the above. But nonetheless, it strikes me as > Jungian synchronous how many times I glance at the time and it's 11:11 > (am or pm, both count). Maybe this says more about when I am on-line > than anything else, but it keeps on happening. It just happened 3 > minutes ago, for the Nth-Hundred time this year. > > Anyone else experience similar "lucky numbers"? > > Granted, I ignore all the other random times, but even if I do that, > and restrict the set to repeatable numbers (4:44, etc.), 11:11 keeps > coming up for me most frequently. Perhaps I ought take this phenomenon > to the craps table in the nearest casino LOL. > > A. > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Lambert.Heenan at chartisinsurance.com Tue Oct 11 12:06:22 2011 From: Lambert.Heenan at chartisinsurance.com (Heenan, Lambert) Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 13:06:22 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] We only notice the significant observations In-Reply-To: <00b001cc8834$4de2fc20$e9a8f460$@mattysconsulting.com> References: , <9879741544574AB0827B9658FA8ACD4B@HAL9007> <00b001cc8834$4de2fc20$e9a8f460$@mattysconsulting.com> Message-ID: Hmm. New guy on the block makes controversial remark first time out of the starting gate. Is there any other science that you consider to be just a matter of opinion? Obviously you're not a flat-earther, but anything else from the real world of science that troubles you? Lambert :-) -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Michael Mattys Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2011 12:39 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] We only notice the significant observations I've always liked 10:01 - looks like a face with glasses. Other fascinations are those word-drawings people make, like the smiley :), and those short essays with missing words, missing letters, or misspellings that our brains can piece together for better or worse. This may be related to the Crime Scene Investigation phenomenon... All DA's and lawyers are experts in knowing how 'evidence' can be pieced together in such a manner as to convict someone of something that never happened or spin things in such a way as to provide acquittal from very serious charges. You may have even been convinced that 'evolution' is an actual scientific possibility ... Michael R Mattys Mattys Consulting, LLC www.mattysconsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark A Matte Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2011 12:21 PM To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [AccessD] We only notice the significant observations The number that has always caught my attention was 256...whether it is 2:56 am/pm...the computer world...or even the first military unit I belonged to(256 Brigade 5th ID)...it just stands out in my mind and catches my attention (along with all the ones Arthur mentioned as well). Mark A. Matte > From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com > Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 09:15:49 -0700 > Subject: Re: [AccessD] We only notice the significant observations > > Perhaps you're in front of the clock (working, maybe?) at 11:11 than > you are at 4:44. > > R > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur > Fuller > Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2011 8:17 AM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: [AccessD] We only notice the significant observations > > Ok, I plead guilty to the above. But nonetheless, it strikes me as > Jungian synchronous how many times I glance at the time and it's 11:11 > (am or pm, both count). Maybe this says more about when I am on-line > than anything else, but it keeps on happening. It just happened 3 > minutes ago, for the Nth-Hundred time this year. > > Anyone else experience similar "lucky numbers"? > > Granted, I ignore all the other random times, but even if I do that, > and restrict the set to repeatable numbers (4:44, etc.), 11:11 keeps > coming up for me most frequently. Perhaps I ought take this phenomenon > to the craps table in the nearest casino LOL. > > A. > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From davidmcafee at gmail.com Tue Oct 11 12:11:56 2011 From: davidmcafee at gmail.com (David McAfee) Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 10:11:56 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] We only notice the significant observations In-Reply-To: References: <9879741544574AB0827B9658FA8ACD4B@HAL9007> <00b001cc8834$4de2fc20$e9a8f460$@mattysconsulting.com> Message-ID: We keep waking up at 3:00AM, but we think it has to do more with a ghost than with lucky numbers ;) On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 10:06 AM, Heenan, Lambert < Lambert.Heenan at chartisinsurance.com> wrote: > Hmm. New guy on the block makes controversial remark first time out of the > starting gate. Is there any other science that you consider to be just a > matter of opinion? Obviously you're not a flat-earther, but anything else > from the real world of science that troubles you? > > Lambert :-) > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto: > accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Michael Mattys > Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2011 12:39 PM > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > Subject: Re: [AccessD] We only notice the significant observations > > I've always liked 10:01 - looks like a face with glasses. > > Other fascinations are those word-drawings people make, like the smiley :), > and those short essays with missing words, missing letters, or misspellings > that our brains can piece together for better or worse. > > This may be related to the Crime Scene Investigation phenomenon... > All DA's and lawyers are experts in knowing how 'evidence' can be pieced > together in such a manner as to convict someone of something that never > happened or spin things in such a way as to provide acquittal from very > serious charges. > > You may have even been convinced that 'evolution' is an actual scientific > possibility ... > > Michael R Mattys > Mattys Consulting, LLC > www.mattysconsulting.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark A Matte > Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2011 12:21 PM > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com > Subject: Re: [AccessD] We only notice the significant observations > > > The number that has always caught my attention was 256...whether it is 2:56 > am/pm...the computer world...or even the first military unit I belonged > to(256 Brigade 5th ID)...it just stands out in my mind and catches my > attention (along with all the ones Arthur mentioned as well). > > Mark A. Matte > > > > From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com > > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com > > Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 09:15:49 -0700 > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] We only notice the significant observations > > > > Perhaps you're in front of the clock (working, maybe?) at 11:11 than > > you are at 4:44. > > > > R > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur > > Fuller > > Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2011 8:17 AM > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > > Subject: [AccessD] We only notice the significant observations > > > > Ok, I plead guilty to the above. But nonetheless, it strikes me as > > Jungian synchronous how many times I glance at the time and it's 11:11 > > (am or pm, both count). Maybe this says more about when I am on-line > > than anything else, but it keeps on happening. It just happened 3 > > minutes ago, for the Nth-Hundred time this year. > > > > Anyone else experience similar "lucky numbers"? > > > > Granted, I ignore all the other random times, but even if I do that, > > and restrict the set to repeatable numbers (4:44, etc.), 11:11 keeps > > coming up for me most frequently. Perhaps I ought take this phenomenon > > to the craps table in the nearest casino LOL. > > > > A. > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From michael at mattysconsulting.com Tue Oct 11 12:26:42 2011 From: michael at mattysconsulting.com (Michael Mattys) Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 13:26:42 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] We only notice the significant observations In-Reply-To: References: , <9879741544574AB0827B9658FA8ACD4B@HAL9007> <00b001cc8834$4de2fc20$e9a8f460$@mattysconsulting.com> Message-ID: <00c601cc883a$f23a00b0$d6ae0210$@mattysconsulting.com> I've been here since the first Access-D, Lambert :) Michael R Mattys Mattys Consulting, LLC www.mattysconsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan, Lambert Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2011 1:06 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] We only notice the significant observations Hmm. New guy on the block makes controversial remark first time out of the starting gate. Is there any other science that you consider to be just a matter of opinion? Obviously you're not a flat-earther, but anything else from the real world of science that troubles you? Lambert :-) -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Michael Mattys Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2011 12:39 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] We only notice the significant observations I've always liked 10:01 - looks like a face with glasses. Other fascinations are those word-drawings people make, like the smiley :), and those short essays with missing words, missing letters, or misspellings that our brains can piece together for better or worse. This may be related to the Crime Scene Investigation phenomenon... All DA's and lawyers are experts in knowing how 'evidence' can be pieced together in such a manner as to convict someone of something that never happened or spin things in such a way as to provide acquittal from very serious charges. You may have even been convinced that 'evolution' is an actual scientific possibility ... Michael R Mattys Mattys Consulting, LLC www.mattysconsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark A Matte Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2011 12:21 PM To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [AccessD] We only notice the significant observations The number that has always caught my attention was 256...whether it is 2:56 am/pm...the computer world...or even the first military unit I belonged to(256 Brigade 5th ID)...it just stands out in my mind and catches my attention (along with all the ones Arthur mentioned as well). Mark A. Matte > From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com > Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 09:15:49 -0700 > Subject: Re: [AccessD] We only notice the significant observations > > Perhaps you're in front of the clock (working, maybe?) at 11:11 than > you are at 4:44. > > R > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur > Fuller > Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2011 8:17 AM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: [AccessD] We only notice the significant observations > > Ok, I plead guilty to the above. But nonetheless, it strikes me as > Jungian synchronous how many times I glance at the time and it's 11:11 > (am or pm, both count). Maybe this says more about when I am on-line > than anything else, but it keeps on happening. It just happened 3 > minutes ago, for the Nth-Hundred time this year. > > Anyone else experience similar "lucky numbers"? > > Granted, I ignore all the other random times, but even if I do that, > and restrict the set to repeatable numbers (4:44, etc.), 11:11 keeps > coming up for me most frequently. Perhaps I ought take this phenomenon > to the craps table in the nearest casino LOL. > > A. > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From charlotte.foust at gmail.com Tue Oct 11 12:30:52 2011 From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust) Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 10:30:52 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] We only notice the significant observations In-Reply-To: <00c601cc883a$f23a00b0$d6ae0210$@mattysconsulting.com> References: <9879741544574AB0827B9658FA8ACD4B@HAL9007> <00b001cc8834$4de2fc20$e9a8f460$@mattysconsulting.com> <00c601cc883a$f23a00b0$d6ae0210$@mattysconsulting.com> Message-ID: Now, boys, play nicely! Charlotte Foust On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 10:26 AM, Michael Mattys < michael at mattysconsulting.com> wrote: > I've been here since the first Access-D, Lambert :) > > Michael R Mattys > Mattys Consulting, LLC > www.mattysconsulting.com > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan, Lambert > Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2011 1:06 PM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] We only notice the significant observations > > Hmm. New guy on the block makes controversial remark first time out of the > starting gate. Is there any other science that you consider to be just a > matter of opinion? Obviously you're not a flat-earther, but anything else > from the real world of science that troubles you? > > Lambert :-) > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Michael Mattys > Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2011 12:39 PM > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > Subject: Re: [AccessD] We only notice the significant observations > > > You may have even been convinced that 'evolution' is an actual scientific > possibility ... > > Michael R Mattys > Mattys Consulting, LLC > www.mattysconsulting.com > > > > From Lambert.Heenan at chartisinsurance.com Tue Oct 11 12:46:46 2011 From: Lambert.Heenan at chartisinsurance.com (Heenan, Lambert) Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 13:46:46 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] We only notice the significant observations In-Reply-To: <00c601cc883a$f23a00b0$d6ae0210$@mattysconsulting.com> References: , <9879741544574AB0827B9658FA8ACD4B@HAL9007> <00b001cc8834$4de2fc20$e9a8f460$@mattysconsulting.com> <00c601cc883a$f23a00b0$d6ae0210$@mattysconsulting.com> Message-ID: Sorry Michael. I must not have been paying too much attention lately. Lambert -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Michael Mattys Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2011 1:27 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] We only notice the significant observations I've been here since the first Access-D, Lambert :) Michael R Mattys Mattys Consulting, LLC www.mattysconsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan, Lambert Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2011 1:06 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] We only notice the significant observations Hmm. New guy on the block makes controversial remark first time out of the starting gate. Is there any other science that you consider to be just a matter of opinion? Obviously you're not a flat-earther, but anything else from the real world of science that troubles you? Lambert :-) -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Michael Mattys Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2011 12:39 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] We only notice the significant observations I've always liked 10:01 - looks like a face with glasses. Other fascinations are those word-drawings people make, like the smiley :), and those short essays with missing words, missing letters, or misspellings that our brains can piece together for better or worse. This may be related to the Crime Scene Investigation phenomenon... All DA's and lawyers are experts in knowing how 'evidence' can be pieced together in such a manner as to convict someone of something that never happened or spin things in such a way as to provide acquittal from very serious charges. You may have even been convinced that 'evolution' is an actual scientific possibility ... Michael R Mattys Mattys Consulting, LLC www.mattysconsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark A Matte Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2011 12:21 PM To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [AccessD] We only notice the significant observations The number that has always caught my attention was 256...whether it is 2:56 am/pm...the computer world...or even the first military unit I belonged to(256 Brigade 5th ID)...it just stands out in my mind and catches my attention (along with all the ones Arthur mentioned as well). Mark A. Matte > From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com > Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 09:15:49 -0700 > Subject: Re: [AccessD] We only notice the significant observations > > Perhaps you're in front of the clock (working, maybe?) at 11:11 than > you are at 4:44. > > R > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur > Fuller > Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2011 8:17 AM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: [AccessD] We only notice the significant observations > > Ok, I plead guilty to the above. But nonetheless, it strikes me as > Jungian synchronous how many times I glance at the time and it's 11:11 > (am or pm, both count). Maybe this says more about when I am on-line > than anything else, but it keeps on happening. It just happened 3 > minutes ago, for the Nth-Hundred time this year. > > Anyone else experience similar "lucky numbers"? > > Granted, I ignore all the other random times, but even if I do that, > and restrict the set to repeatable numbers (4:44, etc.), 11:11 keeps > coming up for me most frequently. Perhaps I ought take this phenomenon > to the craps table in the nearest casino LOL. > > A. > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From michael at mattysconsulting.com Tue Oct 11 13:29:51 2011 From: michael at mattysconsulting.com (Michael Mattys) Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 14:29:51 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] We only notice the significant observations In-Reply-To: References: , <9879741544574AB0827B9658FA8ACD4B@HAL9007> <00b001cc8834$4de2fc20$e9a8f460$@mattysconsulting.com> <00c601cc883a$f23a00b0$d6ae0210$@mattysconsulting.com> Message-ID: <00dd01cc8843$c49cf9b0$4dd6ed10$@mattysconsulting.com> No problem, Lambert. Your input is well respected at this end of the line. Michael R Mattys Mattys Consulting, LLC www.mattysconsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan, Lambert Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2011 1:47 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] We only notice the significant observations Sorry Michael. I must not have been paying too much attention lately. Lambert -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Michael Mattys Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2011 1:27 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] We only notice the significant observations I've been here since the first Access-D, Lambert :) Michael R Mattys Mattys Consulting, LLC www.mattysconsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan, Lambert Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2011 1:06 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] We only notice the significant observations Hmm. New guy on the block makes controversial remark first time out of the starting gate. Is there any other science that you consider to be just a matter of opinion? Obviously you're not a flat-earther, but anything else from the real world of science that troubles you? Lambert :-) -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Michael Mattys Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2011 12:39 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] We only notice the significant observations I've always liked 10:01 - looks like a face with glasses. Other fascinations are those word-drawings people make, like the smiley :), and those short essays with missing words, missing letters, or misspellings that our brains can piece together for better or worse. This may be related to the Crime Scene Investigation phenomenon... All DA's and lawyers are experts in knowing how 'evidence' can be pieced together in such a manner as to convict someone of something that never happened or spin things in such a way as to provide acquittal from very serious charges. You may have even been convinced that 'evolution' is an actual scientific possibility ... Michael R Mattys Mattys Consulting, LLC www.mattysconsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark A Matte Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2011 12:21 PM To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [AccessD] We only notice the significant observations The number that has always caught my attention was 256...whether it is 2:56 am/pm...the computer world...or even the first military unit I belonged to(256 Brigade 5th ID)...it just stands out in my mind and catches my attention (along with all the ones Arthur mentioned as well). Mark A. Matte > From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com > Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 09:15:49 -0700 > Subject: Re: [AccessD] We only notice the significant observations > > Perhaps you're in front of the clock (working, maybe?) at 11:11 than > you are at 4:44. > > R > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur > Fuller > Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2011 8:17 AM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: [AccessD] We only notice the significant observations > > Ok, I plead guilty to the above. But nonetheless, it strikes me as > Jungian synchronous how many times I glance at the time and it's 11:11 > (am or pm, both count). Maybe this says more about when I am on-line > than anything else, but it keeps on happening. It just happened 3 > minutes ago, for the Nth-Hundred time this year. > > Anyone else experience similar "lucky numbers"? > > Granted, I ignore all the other random times, but even if I do that, > and restrict the set to repeatable numbers (4:44, etc.), 11:11 keeps > coming up for me most frequently. Perhaps I ought take this phenomenon > to the craps table in the nearest casino LOL. > > A. > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From rls at webedb.com Tue Oct 11 16:10:11 2011 From: rls at webedb.com (rls at webedb.com) Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 14:10:11 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Writing and Hosting a Web Service in the SharePoint Message-ID: <24.4f53feababc3aa8dbbd2@C15472-140440> http://www.microsoft.com/download/en/details.aspx?id=27417 Try this one instead. The first one seems to be the link to the beta software. Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2011 10:15:57 +0400 From: "Shamil Salakhetdinov" To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" Cc: "'Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues.'" Subject: [dba-VB] Writing and Hosting a Web Service in the SharePoint 2010 Demo Virtual Machine... Message-ID: <4D3A0180687B4AF8B4695CC635BAA56A at nant> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="koi8-r" Hi All -- In this article/blog entry: Writing and Hosting a Web Service in the SharePoint 2010 Demo Virtual Machine http://blogs.msdn.com/b/ericwhite/archive/2010/07/16/writing-and-hosting-a-web-service-in-the-sharepoint-2010-demo-virtual-machine.aspx the author refers to a test virtual machine image with SharePoint 2010 configured: "http://www.microsoft.com/download/en/details.aspx?displaylang=en&id=21099" but VM isn't available there for downloading. Do you know is it still available for free downloading from MS web site? (Was it a free download?) Thank you. From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au Tue Oct 11 18:58:06 2011 From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins) Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 10:58:06 +1100 Subject: [AccessD] We only notice the significant observations In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <001e01cc8871$9f484f60$ddd8ee20$@com.au> Humans seems to be hardwired to observe patterns and narratives, even in randomness. Maybe it is because of randomness? Dunno, but they do know we will make up a pattern and story out of nothingness... -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Wednesday, 12 October 2011 2:17 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: [AccessD] We only notice the significant observations Ok, I plead guilty to the above. But nonetheless, it strikes me as Jungian synchronous how many times I glance at the time and it's 11:11 (am or pm, both count). Maybe this says more about when I am on-line than anything else, but it keeps on happening. It just happened 3 minutes ago, for the Nth-Hundred time this year. Anyone else experience similar "lucky numbers"? Granted, I ignore all the other random times, but even if I do that, and restrict the set to repeatable numbers (4:44, etc.), 11:11 keeps coming up for me most frequently. Perhaps I ought take this phenomenon to the craps table in the nearest casino LOL. A. -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au Tue Oct 11 19:20:27 2011 From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins) Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 11:20:27 +1100 Subject: [AccessD] Writing and Hosting a Web Service in the SharePoint 2010 Demo Virtual Machine... In-Reply-To: References: <631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB082956A302CE171@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk> Message-ID: <000101cc8874$be361120$3aa23360$@com.au> Shamil, I might be way off here as I haven't been following this thread, but Office 365 for small business does just that and more. It is a good solution for those folks who want an enterprise Outlook Exchange server and full Sharepoint functionality, but don't have the time, technical skills and/or money to have a dedicated server up and running just for their business. Maybe worth a look. You can have a free trial if nothing else. http://www.microsoft.com/en-au/office365/online-software.aspx I have been automatically pointed to the AU (Aussie) site, you the link above may not be ideal for you. Maybe just try www.office365.com instead regards Darryl. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil Salakhetdinov Sent: Tuesday, 11 October 2011 12:44 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Writing and Hosting a Web Service in the SharePoint 2010 Demo Virtual Machine... Thank you Martin, And do you know there exist any paid (economical class - pay per API call - something like that) SharePoint hosting services with SharePoint 2010 Word Automation Services (http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ff742315.aspx) and SharePoint 2010 Excel Services (http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ff640648.aspx) ? Thank you. -- Shamil -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Martin Reid Sent: 10 ??????? 2011 ?. 10:58 To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Cc: 'Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues.' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Writing and Hosting a Web Service in the SharePoint 2010 Demo Virtual Machine... It should be there and its free but times out at 180 days. Martin Sent from my Windows Phone ________________________________ From: Shamil Salakhetdinov Sent: 10/10/2011 07:19 To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Cc: 'Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues.' Subject: [AccessD] Writing and Hosting a Web Service in the SharePoint 2010 Demo Virtual Machine... Hi All -- In this article/blog entry: Writing and Hosting a Web Service in the SharePoint 2010 Demo Virtual Machine http://blogs.msdn.com/b/ericwhite/archive/2010/07/16/writing-and-hosting-a-w eb-service-in-the-sharepoint-2010-demo-virtual-machine.aspx the author refers to a test virtual machine image with SharePoint 2010 configured: "My favorite way to develop/experiment/write about SharePoint 2010 is to use the 2010 Information Worker Demonstration and Evaluation Virtual Machine. It is a great virtual machine - finely tuned, and has all of the necessary software installed, including SharePoint Server 2010, Visual Studio 2010, Office 2010, etc. I do on occasion build my own virtual machines when absolutely necessary, but I consider it a necessary evil, not something that I enjoy." The link directs to "http://www.microsoft.com/download/en/details.aspx?displaylang=en&id=21099" but VM isn't available there for downloading. Do you know is it still available for free downloading from MS web site? (Was it a free download?) Thank you. -- Shamil -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Wed Oct 12 05:42:22 2011 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 06:42:22 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] We only notice the significant observations In-Reply-To: References: , <9879741544574AB0827B9658FA8ACD4B@HAL9007> <00b001cc8834$4de2fc20$e9a8f460$@mattysconsulting.com> Message-ID: <4E956F0E.3070704@colbyconsulting.com> >Obviously you're not a flat-earther Hey! There's no proof that the world is round! All those "pictures" from the space station are just the government trying to cover up all the wasted funds by claiming scientific advances! ;) John W. Colby Colby Consulting On 10/11/2011 1:06 PM, Heenan, Lambert wrote: > Hmm. New guy on the block makes controversial remark first time out of the starting gate. Is there any other science that you consider to be just a matter of opinion? Obviously you're not a flat-earther, but anything else from the real world of science that troubles you? > > Lambert :-) > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Michael Mattys > Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2011 12:39 PM > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > Subject: Re: [AccessD] We only notice the significant observations > > I've always liked 10:01 - looks like a face with glasses. > > Other fascinations are those word-drawings people make, like the smiley :), and those short essays with missing words, missing letters, or misspellings that our brains can piece together for better or worse. > > This may be related to the Crime Scene Investigation phenomenon... > All DA's and lawyers are experts in knowing how 'evidence' can be pieced together in such a manner as to convict someone of something that never happened or spin things in such a way as to provide acquittal from very serious charges. > > You may have even been convinced that 'evolution' is an actual scientific possibility ... > > Michael R Mattys > Mattys Consulting, LLC > www.mattysconsulting.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark A Matte > Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2011 12:21 PM > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com > Subject: Re: [AccessD] We only notice the significant observations > > > The number that has always caught my attention was 256...whether it is 2:56 am/pm...the computer world...or even the first military unit I belonged > to(256 Brigade 5th ID)...it just stands out in my mind and catches my attention (along with all the ones Arthur mentioned as well). > > Mark A. Matte > > >> From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com >> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com >> Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 09:15:49 -0700 >> Subject: Re: [AccessD] We only notice the significant observations >> >> Perhaps you're in front of the clock (working, maybe?) at 11:11 than >> you are at 4:44. >> >> R >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur >> Fuller >> Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2011 8:17 AM >> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving >> Subject: [AccessD] We only notice the significant observations >> >> Ok, I plead guilty to the above. But nonetheless, it strikes me as >> Jungian synchronous how many times I glance at the time and it's 11:11 >> (am or pm, both count). Maybe this says more about when I am on-line >> than anything else, but it keeps on happening. It just happened 3 >> minutes ago, for the Nth-Hundred time this year. >> >> Anyone else experience similar "lucky numbers"? >> >> Granted, I ignore all the other random times, but even if I do that, >> and restrict the set to repeatable numbers (4:44, etc.), 11:11 keeps >> coming up for me most frequently. Perhaps I ought take this phenomenon >> to the craps table in the nearest casino LOL. >> >> A. >> -- >> AccessD mailing list >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> -- >> AccessD mailing list >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From fuller.artful at gmail.com Wed Oct 12 06:23:31 2011 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 07:23:31 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] We only notice the significant observations In-Reply-To: <4E956F0E.3070704@colbyconsulting.com> References: <9879741544574AB0827B9658FA8ACD4B@HAL9007> <00b001cc8834$4de2fc20$e9a8f460$@mattysconsulting.com> <4E956F0E.3070704@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: Besides, the moon landing was shot in Arizona. A. On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 6:42 AM, jwcolby wrote: > >Obviously you're not a flat-earther > > Hey! There's no proof that the world is round! All those "pictures" from > the space station are just the government trying to cover up all the wasted > funds by claiming scientific advances! > > ;) > > John W. Colby > Colby Consulting > > From michael at mattysconsulting.com Wed Oct 12 09:19:38 2011 From: michael at mattysconsulting.com (Michael Mattys) Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 10:19:38 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] We only notice the significant observations In-Reply-To: References: <9879741544574AB0827B9658FA8ACD4B@HAL9007> <00b001cc8834$4de2fc20$e9a8f460$@mattysconsulting.com> <4E956F0E.3070704@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <001101cc88e9$fab22c40$f01684c0$@mattysconsulting.com> I enjoyed that 1995 speech by Steve Jobs, Arthur. "Stay hungry, stay foolish." I would love to learn the programming language of adding information to DNA. http://www.evolutionofdna.com/Evolution-Of-DNA.html Michael R Mattys Mattys Consulting, LLC www.mattysconsulting.com From michael at mattysconsulting.com Wed Oct 12 12:20:22 2011 From: michael at mattysconsulting.com (Michael Mattys) Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 13:20:22 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] We only notice the significant observations In-Reply-To: <001101cc88e9$fab22c40$f01684c0$@mattysconsulting.com> References: <9879741544574AB0827B9658FA8ACD4B@HAL9007> <00b001cc8834$4de2fc20$e9a8f460$@mattysconsulting.com> <4E956F0E.3070704@colbyconsulting.com> <001101cc88e9$fab22c40$f01684c0$@mattysconsulting.com> Message-ID: <002101cc8903$3a4e9f00$aeebdd00$@mattysconsulting.com> Wonderful stuff. http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/evolution/darwin-never-knew.html http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/evolution/are-we-still-evolving.html Michael R Mattys Mattys Consulting, LLC -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Michael Mattys Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2011 10:20 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] We only notice the significant observations I enjoyed that 1995 speech by Steve Jobs, Arthur. "Stay hungry, stay foolish." I would love to learn the programming language of adding information to DNA. http://www.evolutionofdna.com/Evolution-Of-DNA.html Michael R Mattys Mattys Consulting, LLC www.mattysconsulting.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Wed Oct 12 12:29:01 2011 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 10:29:01 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] We only notice the significant observations In-Reply-To: <002101cc8903$3a4e9f00$aeebdd00$@mattysconsulting.com> References: <9879741544574AB0827B9658FA8ACD4B@HAL9007> <00b001cc8834$4de2fc20$e9a8f460$@mattysconsulting.com> <4E956F0E.3070704@colbyconsulting.com> <001101cc88e9$fab22c40$f01684c0$@mattysconsulting.com> <002101cc8903$3a4e9f00$aeebdd00$@mattysconsulting.com> Message-ID: <796FF76F19964BA284F79C474C9C0C71@creativesystemdesigns.com> A very good read. Jim -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Michael Mattys Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2011 10:20 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] We only notice the significant observations Wonderful stuff. http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/evolution/darwin-never-knew.html http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/evolution/are-we-still-evolving.html Michael R Mattys Mattys Consulting, LLC -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Michael Mattys Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2011 10:20 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] We only notice the significant observations I enjoyed that 1995 speech by Steve Jobs, Arthur. "Stay hungry, stay foolish." I would love to learn the programming language of adding information to DNA. http://www.evolutionofdna.com/Evolution-Of-DNA.html Michael R Mattys Mattys Consulting, LLC www.mattysconsulting.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Wed Oct 12 12:59:35 2011 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 13:59:35 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] We only notice the significant observations In-Reply-To: <002101cc8903$3a4e9f00$aeebdd00$@mattysconsulting.com> References: <9879741544574AB0827B9658FA8ACD4B@HAL9007> <00b001cc8834$4de2fc20$e9a8f460$@mattysconsulting.com> <4E956F0E.3070704@colbyconsulting.com> <001101cc88e9$fab22c40$f01684c0$@mattysconsulting.com> <002101cc8903$3a4e9f00$aeebdd00$@mattysconsulting.com> Message-ID: <4E95D587.5070908@colbyconsulting.com> Indeed. We find truth in the strangest places. John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it On 10/12/2011 1:20 PM, Michael Mattys wrote: > Wonderful stuff. > > http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/evolution/darwin-never-knew.html > http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/evolution/are-we-still-evolving.html > > Michael R Mattys > Mattys Consulting, LLC > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Michael Mattys > Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2011 10:20 AM > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > Subject: Re: [AccessD] We only notice the significant observations > > I enjoyed that 1995 speech by Steve Jobs, Arthur. > "Stay hungry, stay foolish." > > I would love to learn the programming language of adding information to DNA. > http://www.evolutionofdna.com/Evolution-Of-DNA.html > > Michael R Mattys > Mattys Consulting, LLC > www.mattysconsulting.com > > From michael at mattysconsulting.com Wed Oct 12 14:09:42 2011 From: michael at mattysconsulting.com (Michael Mattys) Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 15:09:42 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] We only notice the significant observations In-Reply-To: <4E95D587.5070908@colbyconsulting.com> References: <9879741544574AB0827B9658FA8ACD4B@HAL9007> <00b001cc8834$4de2fc20$e9a8f460$@mattysconsulting.com> <4E956F0E.3070704@colbyconsulting.com> <001101cc88e9$fab22c40$f01684c0$@mattysconsulting.com> <002101cc8903$3a4e9f00$aeebdd00$@mattysconsulting.com> <4E95D587.5070908@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <002901cc8912$808c5980$81a50c80$@mattysconsulting.com> I didn't get anything from there that I didn't know already. Michael R Mattys Mattys Consulting, LLC www.mattysconsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2011 2:00 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] We only notice the significant observations Indeed. We find truth in the strangest places. John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it On 10/12/2011 1:20 PM, Michael Mattys wrote: > Wonderful stuff. > > http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/evolution/darwin-never-knew.html > http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/evolution/are-we-still-evolving.html > > Michael R Mattys > Mattys Consulting, LLC > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Michael Mattys > Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2011 10:20 AM > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > Subject: Re: [AccessD] We only notice the significant observations > > I enjoyed that 1995 speech by Steve Jobs, Arthur. > "Stay hungry, stay foolish." > > I would love to learn the programming language of adding information to DNA. > http://www.evolutionofdna.com/Evolution-Of-DNA.html > > Michael R Mattys > Mattys Consulting, LLC > www.mattysconsulting.com > > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Thu Oct 13 05:59:05 2011 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 06:59:05 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Optimizing query when select part requires a calculation In-Reply-To: <004b01cc8201$8fc0d7e0$af4287a0$@gmail.com> References: <004b01cc8201$8fc0d7e0$af4287a0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: It seems you made a copy+paste error in your message. 1a and 1b seem identical, even to the point of being both labelled 1a. Method 2 strikes me as nonsensical. How could a left join end up with nulls on the first table? As for option 3, Any IN() or NOT IN() expression forces a full table scan, regardless of the indexes available that might be more profitably used. Stay away from IN() unless there's no other alternative. HTH, Arthur On Mon, Oct 3, 2011 at 3:20 PM, William Benson (VBACreations.Com) < vbacreations at gmail.com> wrote: > Optimizing a query that compares calculated result from each table. I have > 2 tables Tbl1 and Tbl2, each with the same two columns [A] and [B]; I > wanted > to ask Access what values from the combination of these two fields exist in > one but not the other. I used "|" as a separator. I want to know > > (1) Why method 1a and 1b are equivalent > (2) Why Method 2 is not required (ie, why can I test either item for Null > and it represents the combination is null, not the single field on its own) > (3) Why Method 3 takes hundreds of times longer > > > > 'METHOD 1a > SELECT [Tbl1].[A] & "|" & [Tbl1].[B] AS ResultX > FROM Tbl1 LEFT JOIN Tbl2 ON (Tbl1.[B] = Tbl2.[B]) AND (Tbl1.[A] = Tbl2.[A]) > WHERE Tbl2.A Is Null > > 'METHOD 1a > SELECT [Tbl1].[A] & "|" & [Tbl1].[B] AS ResultX > FROM Tbl1 LEFT JOIN Tbl2 ON (Tbl1.[B] = Tbl2.[B]) AND (Tbl1.[A] = Tbl2.[A]) > WHERE Tbl2.B Is Null > > 'METHOD 2 > SELECT [Tbl1].[A] & "|" & [Tbl1].[B] AS ResultX > FROM Tbl1 LEFT JOIN Tbl2 ON (Tbl1.[B] = Tbl2.[B]) AND (Tbl1.[A] = Tbl2.[A]) > WHERE (Tbl2.A Is Null OR Tbl2.B Is Null) <--- Testing both seems not > necessary > > 'METHOD 3 > Select [Tbl1].[A] & "|" & [Tbl1].[B] as ResultX > From [Tbl1] > Where > [Tbl1].[A] & "|" & [Tbl1].[B] Not IN (Select [Tbl2].[A] & "|" & > [Tbl2].[B] as ResultY From [Tbl2]) > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Thu Oct 13 08:05:34 2011 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 09:05:34 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] See you in space! Message-ID: <4E96E21E.3080100@colbyconsulting.com> http://www.sqlservercentral.com/articles/Red+Gate+Software/76406/ -- John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it From vbacreations at gmail.com Thu Oct 13 09:10:05 2011 From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson) Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 10:10:05 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Optimizing query when select part requires a calculation In-Reply-To: References: <004b01cc8201$8fc0d7e0$af4287a0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Thank you. Yes a typo. They are not dentical the second one is 1b. They are comparing different fields for null. I guess I don't really understand join fields very well in a SQL statement that joins tables on multiple fields. I expect situations with sometimes table 1 and 2 both have a match on field A but not on B. And other records in 1 and 2 that match field B but don't match field A. That was why my I wrote method 2. Yes it is nonsensical but I don't really understand joins on more than one field. Thanks for explanation regarding. IN. On Oct 13, 2011 7:00 AM, "Arthur Fuller" wrote: > It seems you made a copy+paste error in your message. 1a and 1b seem > identical, even to the point of being both labelled 1a. > > Method 2 strikes me as nonsensical. How could a left join end up with nulls > on the first table? > > As for option 3, > > Any IN() or NOT IN() expression forces a full table scan, regardless of the > indexes available that might be more profitably used. Stay away from IN() > unless there's no other alternative. > > HTH, > Arthur > > On Mon, Oct 3, 2011 at 3:20 PM, William Benson (VBACreations.Com) < > vbacreations at gmail.com> wrote: > > > Optimizing a query that compares calculated result from each table. I > have > > 2 tables Tbl1 and Tbl2, each with the same two columns [A] and [B]; I > > wanted > > to ask Access what values from the combination of these two fields exist > in > > one but not the other. I used "|" as a separator. I want to know > > > > (1) Why method 1a and 1b are equivalent > > (2) Why Method 2 is not required (ie, why can I test either item for Null > > and it represents the combination is null, not the single field on its > own) > > (3) Why Method 3 takes hundreds of times longer > > > > > > > > 'METHOD 1a > > SELECT [Tbl1].[A] & "|" & [Tbl1].[B] AS ResultX > > FROM Tbl1 LEFT JOIN Tbl2 ON (Tbl1.[B] = Tbl2.[B]) AND (Tbl1.[A] = > Tbl2.[A]) > > WHERE Tbl2.A Is Null > > > > 'METHOD 1a > > SELECT [Tbl1].[A] & "|" & [Tbl1].[B] AS ResultX > > FROM Tbl1 LEFT JOIN Tbl2 ON (Tbl1.[B] = Tbl2.[B]) AND (Tbl1.[A] = > Tbl2.[A]) > > WHERE Tbl2.B Is Null > > > > 'METHOD 2 > > SELECT [Tbl1].[A] & "|" & [Tbl1].[B] AS ResultX > > FROM Tbl1 LEFT JOIN Tbl2 ON (Tbl1.[B] = Tbl2.[B]) AND (Tbl1.[A] = > Tbl2.[A]) > > WHERE (Tbl2.A Is Null OR Tbl2.B Is Null) <--- Testing both seems not > > necessary > > > > 'METHOD 3 > > Select [Tbl1].[A] & "|" & [Tbl1].[B] as ResultX > > From [Tbl1] > > Where > > [Tbl1].[A] & "|" & [Tbl1].[B] Not IN (Select [Tbl2].[A] & "|" & > > [Tbl2].[B] as ResultY From [Tbl2]) > > > > > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From fuller.artful at gmail.com Thu Oct 13 09:41:05 2011 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 10:41:05 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Optimizing query when select part requires a calculation In-Reply-To: References: <004b01cc8201$8fc0d7e0$af4287a0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Pursuant to IN(). An often-preferred alternative is to create a temp-table consisting of the values contained within the IN(), and then to join this to the real tables. The time taken to construct the temp-table is negligible. Once it's created, the natural joins do all the heavy lifting for you. Since you want to join on multiple columns, I suggest that you create a calculated (virtual) column on both tables, and then do the join on those columns. It might require a little addition to your documentation, but it cleans up the mess rather nicely, IMO. HTH, Arthur From vbacreations at gmail.com Thu Oct 13 11:18:33 2011 From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson (VBACreations.Com)) Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 12:18:33 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] See you in space! In-Reply-To: <4E96E21E.3080100@colbyconsulting.com> References: <4E96E21E.3080100@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <009601cc89c3$c164d2a0$442e77e0$@gmail.com> Good reward for the lucky someone. For sure it won't be a beauty contest or a popularity contest as most such are. Ha Ha Ha I take slight issue with the thought expressed "It's the humble DBA who makes it happen - the Master of Data who enables medical records to be summoned in the blink of an eye, keeps transport running smoothly, manages the data beneath the electrical grid for billions of people and provides instant access to news, music, phone calls, money and an endless supply of entertainment." I think there are a lot of roles involved... I don't mind recognizing DBAs for their part, but good luck without all the other technicians and developers and support people... and the sales people who help businesses see where they need to scale and what solutions meet their needs. I would sure hate to say DBAs don't have a meaningful place in the world and I don't want to get on their bad side... but I hate the repeated calls to hyperbole, on a seemingly endlessly revolving basis of "who's the next class of people to say we owe it all to." -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2011 9:06 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving; Sqlserver-Dba Subject: [AccessD] See you in space! http://www.sqlservercentral.com/articles/Red+Gate+Software/76406/ -- John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Thu Oct 13 15:45:32 2011 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 16:45:32 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] See you in space! In-Reply-To: <009601cc89c3$c164d2a0$442e77e0$@gmail.com> References: <4E96E21E.3080100@colbyconsulting.com> <009601cc89c3$c164d2a0$442e77e0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4E974DEC.8060009@colbyconsulting.com> LOL. Ya'll owe it all to me, that's who. ;) John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it On 10/13/2011 12:18 PM, William Benson (VBACreations.Com) wrote: > Good reward for the lucky someone. For sure it won't be a beauty contest or > a popularity contest as most such are. > > > Ha Ha Ha > > > > I take slight issue with the thought expressed "It's the humble DBA who > makes it happen - the Master of Data who enables medical records to be > summoned in the blink of an eye, keeps transport running smoothly, manages > the data beneath the electrical grid for billions of people and provides > instant access to news, music, phone calls, money and an endless supply of > entertainment." > > I think there are a lot of roles involved... I don't mind recognizing DBAs > for their part, but good luck without all the other technicians and > developers and support people... and the sales people who help businesses > see where they need to scale and what solutions meet their needs. > > I would sure hate to say DBAs don't have a meaningful place in the world and > I don't want to get on their bad side... but I hate the repeated calls to > hyperbole, on a seemingly endlessly revolving basis of "who's the next class > of people to say we owe it all to." > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby > Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2011 9:06 AM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving; Sqlserver-Dba > Subject: [AccessD] See you in space! > > > http://www.sqlservercentral.com/articles/Red+Gate+Software/76406/ From ab-mi at post3.tele.dk Thu Oct 13 15:59:31 2011 From: ab-mi at post3.tele.dk (Asger Blond) Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 22:59:31 +0200 Subject: [AccessD] Optimizing query when select part requires acalculation In-Reply-To: References: <004b01cc8201$8fc0d7e0$af4287a0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <597195726B444DA89560BE2B9650AFE7@abpc> Arthur, You wrote: >> Any IN() or NOT IN() expression forces a full table scan, >> regardless of the indexes available... This is simply not true. If the subquery in an IN clause have a WHERE condition on an indexed column then this index will certainly be used in a SEEK operation if the index is considered useful for the query optimizer. It will be used in exactly the same way as when the statement enclosed in the IN clause is run separately. Asger -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Arthur Fuller Sendt: 13. oktober 2011 12:59 Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Emne: Re: [AccessD] Optimizing query when select part requires acalculation It seems you made a copy+paste error in your message. 1a and 1b seem identical, even to the point of being both labelled 1a. Method 2 strikes me as nonsensical. How could a left join end up with nulls on the first table? As for option 3, Any IN() or NOT IN() expression forces a full table scan, regardless of the indexes available that might be more profitably used. Stay away from IN() unless there's no other alternative. HTH, Arthur On Mon, Oct 3, 2011 at 3:20 PM, William Benson (VBACreations.Com) < vbacreations at gmail.com> wrote: > Optimizing a query that compares calculated result from each table. I have > 2 tables Tbl1 and Tbl2, each with the same two columns [A] and [B]; I > wanted > to ask Access what values from the combination of these two fields exist in > one but not the other. I used "|" as a separator. I want to know > > (1) Why method 1a and 1b are equivalent > (2) Why Method 2 is not required (ie, why can I test either item for Null > and it represents the combination is null, not the single field on its own) > (3) Why Method 3 takes hundreds of times longer > > > > 'METHOD 1a > SELECT [Tbl1].[A] & "|" & [Tbl1].[B] AS ResultX > FROM Tbl1 LEFT JOIN Tbl2 ON (Tbl1.[B] = Tbl2.[B]) AND (Tbl1.[A] = Tbl2.[A]) > WHERE Tbl2.A Is Null > > 'METHOD 1a > SELECT [Tbl1].[A] & "|" & [Tbl1].[B] AS ResultX > FROM Tbl1 LEFT JOIN Tbl2 ON (Tbl1.[B] = Tbl2.[B]) AND (Tbl1.[A] = Tbl2.[A]) > WHERE Tbl2.B Is Null > > 'METHOD 2 > SELECT [Tbl1].[A] & "|" & [Tbl1].[B] AS ResultX > FROM Tbl1 LEFT JOIN Tbl2 ON (Tbl1.[B] = Tbl2.[B]) AND (Tbl1.[A] = Tbl2.[A]) > WHERE (Tbl2.A Is Null OR Tbl2.B Is Null) <--- Testing both seems not > necessary > > 'METHOD 3 > Select [Tbl1].[A] & "|" & [Tbl1].[B] as ResultX > From [Tbl1] > Where > [Tbl1].[A] & "|" & [Tbl1].[B] Not IN (Select [Tbl2].[A] & "|" & > [Tbl2].[B] as ResultY From [Tbl2]) > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From ab-mi at post3.tele.dk Thu Oct 13 16:30:59 2011 From: ab-mi at post3.tele.dk (Asger Blond) Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 23:30:59 +0200 Subject: [AccessD] Optimizing query when select part requires acalculation In-Reply-To: References: <004b01cc8201$8fc0d7e0$af4287a0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Did you make some performance tests using this method? IMO your method is just a kind of manually construction of what the query optimizer automatically does for you when use an IN clause. And my guess is that the query optimizer would do the job more efficient. Asger -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Arthur Fuller Sendt: 13. oktober 2011 16:41 Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Emne: Re: [AccessD] Optimizing query when select part requires acalculation Pursuant to IN(). An often-preferred alternative is to create a temp-table consisting of the values contained within the IN(), and then to join this to the real tables. The time taken to construct the temp-table is negligible. Once it's created, the natural joins do all the heavy lifting for you. Since you want to join on multiple columns, I suggest that you create a calculated (virtual) column on both tables, and then do the join on those columns. It might require a little addition to your documentation, but it cleans up the mess rather nicely, IMO. HTH, Arthur -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From davidmcafee at gmail.com Thu Oct 13 16:41:00 2011 From: davidmcafee at gmail.com (David McAfee) Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 14:41:00 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Optimizing query when select part requires acalculation In-Reply-To: References: <004b01cc8201$8fc0d7e0$af4287a0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: I have read that NOTIN() Can give erroneous results, but I forget why at the moment. I'm guilty of using it too :/ On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 2:30 PM, Asger Blond wrote: > Did you make some performance tests using this method? > IMO your method is just a kind of manually construction of what the query > optimizer automatically does for you when use an IN clause. And my guess is > that the query optimizer would do the job more efficient. > Asger > > -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- > Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto: > accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Arthur Fuller > Sendt: 13. oktober 2011 16:41 > Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Emne: Re: [AccessD] Optimizing query when select part requires acalculation > > Pursuant to IN(). An often-preferred alternative is to create a temp-table > consisting of the values contained within the IN(), and then to join this > to > the real tables. The time taken to construct the temp-table is negligible. > Once it's created, the natural joins do all the heavy lifting for you. > > Since you want to join on multiple columns, I suggest that you create a > calculated (virtual) column on both tables, and then do the join on those > columns. It might require a little addition to your documentation, but it > cleans up the mess rather nicely, IMO. > > HTH, > Arthur > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From ab-mi at post3.tele.dk Thu Oct 13 17:02:38 2011 From: ab-mi at post3.tele.dk (Asger Blond) Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2011 00:02:38 +0200 Subject: [AccessD] Optimizing query when select part requiresacalculation In-Reply-To: References: <004b01cc8201$8fc0d7e0$af4287a0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <9357134BE7F641A5AAD46149B2FD8C50@abpc> David, Don't disseminate rumors... Maybe you just NOT have it IN. Couldn?t resist and no offence meant ;-) Asger -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af David McAfee Sendt: 13. oktober 2011 23:41 Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Emne: Re: [AccessD] Optimizing query when select part requiresacalculation I have read that NOTIN() Can give erroneous results, but I forget why at the moment. I'm guilty of using it too :/ On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 2:30 PM, Asger Blond wrote: > Did you make some performance tests using this method? > IMO your method is just a kind of manually construction of what the query > optimizer automatically does for you when use an IN clause. And my guess is > that the query optimizer would do the job more efficient. > Asger > > -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- > Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto: > accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Arthur Fuller > Sendt: 13. oktober 2011 16:41 > Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Emne: Re: [AccessD] Optimizing query when select part requires acalculation > > Pursuant to IN(). An often-preferred alternative is to create a temp-table > consisting of the values contained within the IN(), and then to join this > to > the real tables. The time taken to construct the temp-table is negligible. > Once it's created, the natural joins do all the heavy lifting for you. > > Since you want to join on multiple columns, I suggest that you create a > calculated (virtual) column on both tables, and then do the join on those > columns. It might require a little addition to your documentation, but it > cleans up the mess rather nicely, IMO. > > HTH, > Arthur > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From davidmcafee at gmail.com Thu Oct 13 17:19:12 2011 From: davidmcafee at gmail.com (David McAfee) Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 15:19:12 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Optimizing query when select part requiresacalculation In-Reply-To: <9357134BE7F641A5AAD46149B2FD8C50@abpc> References: <004b01cc8201$8fc0d7e0$af4287a0$@gmail.com> <9357134BE7F641A5AAD46149B2FD8C50@abpc> Message-ID: Did you feel that? Feel what? :) On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 3:02 PM, Asger Blond wrote: > David, > Don't disseminate rumors... > Maybe you just NOT have it IN. > Couldn?t resist and no offence meant ;-) > Asger > > -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- > Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto: > accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af David McAfee > Sendt: 13. oktober 2011 23:41 > Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Emne: Re: [AccessD] Optimizing query when select part requiresacalculation > > I have read that NOTIN() Can give erroneous results, but I forget why at > the > moment. > > I'm guilty of using it too :/ > > > > On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 2:30 PM, Asger Blond wrote: > > > Did you make some performance tests using this method? > > IMO your method is just a kind of manually construction of what the query > > optimizer automatically does for you when use an IN clause. And my guess > is > > that the query optimizer would do the job more efficient. > > Asger > > > > -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- > > Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto: > > accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Arthur Fuller > > Sendt: 13. oktober 2011 16:41 > > Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > > Emne: Re: [AccessD] Optimizing query when select part requires > acalculation > > > > Pursuant to IN(). An often-preferred alternative is to create a > temp-table > > consisting of the values contained within the IN(), and then to join this > > to > > the real tables. The time taken to construct the temp-table is > negligible. > > Once it's created, the natural joins do all the heavy lifting for you. > > > > Since you want to join on multiple columns, I suggest that you create a > > calculated (virtual) column on both tables, and then do the join on those > > columns. It might require a little addition to your documentation, but it > > cleans up the mess rather nicely, IMO. > > > > HTH, > > Arthur > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From ab-mi at post3.tele.dk Thu Oct 13 17:40:10 2011 From: ab-mi at post3.tele.dk (Asger Blond) Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2011 00:40:10 +0200 Subject: [AccessD] Optimizing query when select part requiresacalculation In-Reply-To: References: <004b01cc8201$8fc0d7e0$af4287a0$@gmail.com><9357134BE7F641A5AAD46149B2FD8C50@abpc> Message-ID: Well, I wasn't writing about feelings. But when asked so frankly then: Certainly NOT... Asger -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af David McAfee Sendt: 14. oktober 2011 00:19 Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Emne: Re: [AccessD] Optimizing query when select part requiresacalculation Did you feel that? Feel what? :) On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 3:02 PM, Asger Blond wrote: > David, > Don't disseminate rumors... > Maybe you just NOT have it IN. > Couldn?t resist and no offence meant ;-) > Asger > > -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- > Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto: > accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af David McAfee > Sendt: 13. oktober 2011 23:41 > Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Emne: Re: [AccessD] Optimizing query when select part requiresacalculation > > I have read that NOTIN() Can give erroneous results, but I forget why at > the > moment. > > I'm guilty of using it too :/ > > > > On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 2:30 PM, Asger Blond wrote: > > > Did you make some performance tests using this method? > > IMO your method is just a kind of manually construction of what the query > > optimizer automatically does for you when use an IN clause. And my guess > is > > that the query optimizer would do the job more efficient. > > Asger > > > > -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- > > Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto: > > accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Arthur Fuller > > Sendt: 13. oktober 2011 16:41 > > Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > > Emne: Re: [AccessD] Optimizing query when select part requires > acalculation > > > > Pursuant to IN(). An often-preferred alternative is to create a > temp-table > > consisting of the values contained within the IN(), and then to join this > > to > > the real tables. The time taken to construct the temp-table is > negligible. > > Once it's created, the natural joins do all the heavy lifting for you. > > > > Since you want to join on multiple columns, I suggest that you create a > > calculated (virtual) column on both tables, and then do the join on those > > columns. It might require a little addition to your documentation, but it > > cleans up the mess rather nicely, IMO. > > > > HTH, > > Arthur > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From davidmcafee at gmail.com Thu Oct 13 17:44:45 2011 From: davidmcafee at gmail.com (David McAfee) Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 15:44:45 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Optimizing query when select part requiresacalculation In-Reply-To: References: <004b01cc8201$8fc0d7e0$af4287a0$@gmail.com> <9357134BE7F641A5AAD46149B2FD8C50@abpc> Message-ID: :) Here's how Nulls affect NOTIN() http://www.simple-talk.com/sql/t-sql-programming/ten-common-sql-programming-mistakes/ On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 3:40 PM, Asger Blond wrote: > > Well, I wasn't writing about feelings. But when asked so frankly then: > Certainly NOT... > Asger > > -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- > Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto: > accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af David McAfee > Sendt: 14. oktober 2011 00:19 > Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Emne: Re: [AccessD] Optimizing query when select part requiresacalculation > > Did you feel that? > > Feel what? :) > > > > On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 3:02 PM, Asger Blond wrote: > > > David, > > Don't disseminate rumors... > > Maybe you just NOT have it IN. > > Couldn?t resist and no offence meant ;-) > > Asger > > > > -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- > > Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto: > > accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af David McAfee > > Sendt: 13. oktober 2011 23:41 > > Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > > Emne: Re: [AccessD] Optimizing query when select part > requiresacalculation > > > > I have read that NOTIN() Can give erroneous results, but I forget why at > > the > > moment. > > > > I'm guilty of using it too :/ > > > > > > > > On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 2:30 PM, Asger Blond > wrote: > > > > > Did you make some performance tests using this method? > > > IMO your method is just a kind of manually construction of what the > query > > > optimizer automatically does for you when use an IN clause. And my > guess > > is > > > that the query optimizer would do the job more efficient. > > > Asger > > > > > > -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- > > > Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto: > > > accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Arthur Fuller > > > Sendt: 13. oktober 2011 16:41 > > > Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > > > Emne: Re: [AccessD] Optimizing query when select part requires > > acalculation > > > > > > Pursuant to IN(). An often-preferred alternative is to create a > > temp-table > > > consisting of the values contained within the IN(), and then to join > this > > > to > > > the real tables. The time taken to construct the temp-table is > > negligible. > > > Once it's created, the natural joins do all the heavy lifting for you. > > > > > > Since you want to join on multiple columns, I suggest that you create a > > > calculated (virtual) column on both tables, and then do the join on > those > > > columns. It might require a little addition to your documentation, but > it > > > cleans up the mess rather nicely, IMO. > > > > > > HTH, > > > Arthur > > > -- > > > AccessD mailing list > > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > > -- > > > AccessD mailing list > > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From ab-mi at post3.tele.dk Fri Oct 14 07:08:30 2011 From: ab-mi at post3.tele.dk (Asger Blond) Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2011 14:08:30 +0200 Subject: [AccessD] Optimizing query when select part requiresacalculation In-Reply-To: References: <004b01cc8201$8fc0d7e0$af4287a0$@gmail.com><9357134BE7F641A5AAD46149B2FD8C50@abpc> Message-ID: Thank for pointing out the paper - excellent, should be mandatory reading for all SQL programmers! Asger -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af David McAfee Sendt: 14. oktober 2011 00:45 Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Emne: Re: [AccessD] Optimizing query when select part requiresacalculation :) Here's how Nulls affect NOTIN() http://www.simple-talk.com/sql/t-sql-programming/ten-common-sql-programming-mistakes/ On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 3:40 PM, Asger Blond wrote: > > Well, I wasn't writing about feelings. But when asked so frankly then: > Certainly NOT... > Asger > > -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- > Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto: > accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af David McAfee > Sendt: 14. oktober 2011 00:19 > Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Emne: Re: [AccessD] Optimizing query when select part requiresacalculation > > Did you feel that? > > Feel what? :) > > > > On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 3:02 PM, Asger Blond wrote: > > > David, > > Don't disseminate rumors... > > Maybe you just NOT have it IN. > > Couldn?t resist and no offence meant ;-) > > Asger > > > > -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- > > Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto: > > accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af David McAfee > > Sendt: 13. oktober 2011 23:41 > > Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > > Emne: Re: [AccessD] Optimizing query when select part > requiresacalculation > > > > I have read that NOTIN() Can give erroneous results, but I forget why at > > the > > moment. > > > > I'm guilty of using it too :/ > > > > > > > > On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 2:30 PM, Asger Blond > wrote: > > > > > Did you make some performance tests using this method? > > > IMO your method is just a kind of manually construction of what the > query > > > optimizer automatically does for you when use an IN clause. And my > guess > > is > > > that the query optimizer would do the job more efficient. > > > Asger > > > > > > -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- > > > Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto: > > > accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Arthur Fuller > > > Sendt: 13. oktober 2011 16:41 > > > Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > > > Emne: Re: [AccessD] Optimizing query when select part requires > > acalculation > > > > > > Pursuant to IN(). An often-preferred alternative is to create a > > temp-table > > > consisting of the values contained within the IN(), and then to join > this > > > to > > > the real tables. The time taken to construct the temp-table is > > negligible. > > > Once it's created, the natural joins do all the heavy lifting for you. > > > > > > Since you want to join on multiple columns, I suggest that you create a > > > calculated (virtual) column on both tables, and then do the join on > those > > > columns. It might require a little addition to your documentation, but > it > > > cleans up the mess rather nicely, IMO. > > > > > > HTH, > > > Arthur > > > -- > > > AccessD mailing list > > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > > -- > > > AccessD mailing list > > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Fri Oct 14 08:52:27 2011 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2011 09:52:27 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Optimizing query when select part requires acalculation In-Reply-To: <597195726B444DA89560BE2B9650AFE7@abpc> References: <004b01cc8201$8fc0d7e0$af4287a0$@gmail.com> <597195726B444DA89560BE2B9650AFE7@abpc> Message-ID: I stand corrected. Thanks for this. Arthur On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 4:59 PM, Asger Blond wrote: > Arthur, > You wrote: > >> Any IN() or NOT IN() expression forces a full table scan, > >> regardless of the indexes available... > This is simply not true. If the subquery in an IN clause have a WHERE > condition on an indexed column then this index will certainly be used in a > SEEK operation if the index is considered useful for the query optimizer. It > will be used in exactly the same way as when the statement enclosed in the > IN clause is run separately. > Asger > > From rlister at actuarial-files.com Fri Oct 14 20:07:50 2011 From: rlister at actuarial-files.com (Ralf Lister) Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2011 21:07:50 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Where Condition in DoCmd.OpenReport Message-ID: <000601cc8ad6$dea8f170$9bfad450$@com> Hello, I want to print a report whose recordsource is a query. This very query has four records. One has in the field AAA a number stored. In the remaining three records the field AAA is empty. I want to print the report only for the record whose field AAA has a number stored. Therefore I set the WhereCondition in the "DoCmd.OpenReport" command to "IsNumeric(Me!AAA)". But it didn't work as expected. What did I do wrong? TIA and Saludos Actuary Ralf Lister La Paz, Bolivia From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Fri Oct 14 20:15:06 2011 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2011 11:15:06 +1000 Subject: [AccessD] Where Condition in DoCmd.OpenReport In-Reply-To: <000601cc8ad6$dea8f170$9bfad450$@com> References: <000601cc8ad6$dea8f170$9bfad450$@com> Message-ID: <4E98DE9A.2631.A065DFB@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> IsNumeric returns True for NULLs. Try ISNULL(). -- Stuart On 14 Oct 2011 at 21:07, Ralf Lister wrote: > Hello, > > I want to print a report whose recordsource is a query. This very > query has four records. One has in the field AAA a number stored. In > the remaining three records the field AAA is empty. I want to print > the report only for the record whose field AAA has a number stored. > > Therefore I set the WhereCondition in the "DoCmd.OpenReport" command > to "IsNumeric(Me!AAA)". But it didn't work as expected. What did I do > wrong? > > TIA and Saludos > Actuary Ralf Lister > La Paz, Bolivia > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From steve at datamanagementsolutions.biz Sat Oct 15 03:09:03 2011 From: steve at datamanagementsolutions.biz (Steve Schapel) Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2011 21:09:03 +1300 Subject: [AccessD] Where Condition in DoCmd.OpenReport In-Reply-To: <000601cc8ad6$dea8f170$9bfad450$@com> References: <000601cc8ad6$dea8f170$9bfad450$@com> Message-ID: <7CA60D9B36EE4310B57B6FBB13C27291@stevelaptop> Ralf In addition to Stuart's suggestion, I think the 'Me!' is also not correct. I would try your Where Condition argument as: "[AAA] Is Not Null" Regards Steve -----Original Message----- From: Ralf Lister Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2011 2:07 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: [AccessD] Where Condition in DoCmd.OpenReport Hello, I want to print a report whose recordsource is a query. This very query has four records. One has in the field AAA a number stored. In the remaining three records the field AAA is empty. I want to print the report only for the record whose field AAA has a number stored. Therefore I set the WhereCondition in the "DoCmd.OpenReport" command to "IsNumeric(Me!AAA)". But it didn't work as expected. What did I do wrong? TIA and Saludos Actuary Ralf Lister La Paz, Bolivia From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Sat Oct 15 08:42:33 2011 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2011 09:42:33 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Death of a giant Message-ID: <4E998DC9.8000206@colbyconsulting.com> http://arstechnica.com/business/news/2011/10/dennis-ritchie-the-giant-whose-shoulders-we-stand-on.ars -- John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it From rbgajewski at roadrunner.com Sat Oct 15 10:58:56 2011 From: rbgajewski at roadrunner.com (Bob Gajewski) Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2011 11:58:56 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Record navigation - find versus new Message-ID: <2A7C913116664297953CD35264C19070@7B440585K> Hi All I am having trouble with what is probably one of the most basic functions, but I just can't figure it out and would really appreciate if someone could point me in the right direction. I have a data entry form, with one of the key fields called TransactionsEntryNumber (text, length=8, required, indexed, duplicates not allowed). I am trying to write the code so that when a user types in an entry number, the code looks to see if it exists ... if it does, go to the existing record ... if not, continue to the next field as a new record. Private Sub TransactionsEntryNumber_Exit(Cancel As Integer) If IsNull(TransactionsEntryNumber) Or TransactionsEntryNumber = "" Then Dim Msg As String, Response As Integer Msg = "Do you want to have an entry number assigned?" Response = MsgBox(Msg, vbYesNo + vbQuestion + vbDefaultButton1, "Entry Number Assignment") If Response = vbYes Then TransactionsEntryNumber = fAssignEntryNumber(TransactionsFilerCodeID.Column(1), DMax("TransactionsEntryNumber", "tblTransactions"), 1) Else Cancel = True Exit Sub End If Else DoCmd.FindRecord TransactionsEntryNumber, acEntire, True, acSearchAll, True, acCurrent, True End If End Sub The 'new' part works perfectly ... probably because I'm starting the user in a new record: Private Sub Form_Open(Cancel As Integer) DoCmd.GoToRecord , , acNewRec End Sub ... it's the 'find' that keeps failing (error: unable to save; would create duplicate) Run-time error '3022': The changes you requested to the table were not successful because they would create duplicate values in the index, primary key, or relationship. Change the data in the field or fields that contain the duplicate data, remove the index, or redefine the index to permit duplicate entries and try again. Is it as simple as trapping the error? Or should I use two controls and stack them? Thanks, as usual Bob Gajewski From accessd at shaw.ca Sat Oct 15 11:22:56 2011 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2011 09:22:56 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Death of a giant In-Reply-To: <4E998DC9.8000206@colbyconsulting.com> References: <4E998DC9.8000206@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <6530143C07944FC8B24D3D3365D4139B@creativesystemdesigns.com> The DBA has been touched with death these weeks, first Drew, our brilliant local hacker, second, Steve the visionary and finally Dennis the founder. Jim -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2011 6:43 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: [AccessD] Death of a giant http://arstechnica.com/business/news/2011/10/dennis-ritchie-the-giant-whose- shoulders-we-stand-on.ars -- John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From charlotte.foust at gmail.com Sat Oct 15 11:57:27 2011 From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust) Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2011 09:57:27 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Record navigation - find versus new In-Reply-To: <2A7C913116664297953CD35264C19070@7B440585K> References: <2A7C913116664297953CD35264C19070@7B440585K> Message-ID: What are the Data Entry and Allow Edits properties on the form set to? Charlotte Foust On Sat, Oct 15, 2011 at 8:58 AM, Bob Gajewski wrote: > Hi All > > I am having trouble with what is probably one of the most basic functions, > but I just can't figure it out and would really appreciate if someone could > point me in the right direction. > > I have a data entry form, with one of the key fields called > TransactionsEntryNumber (text, length=8, required, indexed, duplicates not > allowed). I am trying to write the code so that when a user types in an > entry number, the code looks to see if it exists ... if it does, go to the > existing record ... if not, continue to the next field as a new record. > > > Private Sub TransactionsEntryNumber_Exit(Cancel As Integer) > If IsNull(TransactionsEntryNumber) Or TransactionsEntryNumber = "" Then > Dim Msg As String, Response As Integer > Msg = "Do you want to have an entry number assigned?" > Response = MsgBox(Msg, vbYesNo + vbQuestion + vbDefaultButton1, > "Entry Number Assignment") > If Response = vbYes Then > TransactionsEntryNumber = > fAssignEntryNumber(TransactionsFilerCodeID.Column(1), > DMax("TransactionsEntryNumber", "tblTransactions"), 1) > Else > Cancel = True > Exit Sub > End If > Else > DoCmd.FindRecord TransactionsEntryNumber, acEntire, True, > acSearchAll, True, acCurrent, True > End If > End Sub > > > The 'new' part works perfectly ... probably because I'm starting the user > in > a new record: > > Private Sub Form_Open(Cancel As Integer) > DoCmd.GoToRecord , , acNewRec > End Sub > > ... it's the 'find' that keeps failing (error: unable to save; would create > duplicate) > > > Run-time error '3022': > > The changes you requested to the table were not successful because they > would > create duplicate values in the index, primary key, or relationship. > Change the data > in the field or fields that contain the duplicate data, remove the > index, or redefine > the index to permit duplicate entries and try again. > > > Is it as simple as trapping the error? Or should I use two controls and > stack them? > > Thanks, as usual > Bob Gajewski > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > From steve at datamanagementsolutions.biz Sat Oct 15 14:08:22 2011 From: steve at datamanagementsolutions.biz (Steve Schapel) Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2011 08:08:22 +1300 Subject: [AccessD] Record navigation - find versus new In-Reply-To: <2A7C913116664297953CD35264C19070@7B440585K> References: <2A7C913116664297953CD35264C19070@7B440585K> Message-ID: <152A9688951040109DC62E911448EF03@stevelaptop> Bob The FindRecord action requires that the focus is on the control for the field being referenced. Therefore you are going to need this in your code: Me.TransactionsEntryNumber.SetFocus However, without trying it, I'm not sure exactly how this is going to go, given that your code relates to the Exit event of that very control. I don't think it will work to set focus to a control on its own Exit event. If it was mine, I would use an unbound textbox for the user to initially enter the number in, and use the After Update event of that control to run your code. If the number doesn't already exist, have your code write it to the TransactionsEntryNumber field. If it does, use SetFocus as mentioned above, prior to your FindRecord. (In both cases, have the code clear the unbound textbox: Me.MyTextbox = Null - to avoid confusion. In this type of scenario I normally have a different background colour for an unbound textbox or combobox, to make it clearer that it is for a special purpose.) Regards Steve -----Original Message----- From: Bob Gajewski Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2011 4:58 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: [AccessD] Record navigation - find versus new Hi All I am having trouble with what is probably one of the most basic functions, but I just can't figure it out and would really appreciate if someone could point me in the right direction. I have a data entry form, with one of the key fields called TransactionsEntryNumber (text, length=8, required, indexed, duplicates not allowed). I am trying to write the code so that when a user types in an entry number, the code looks to see if it exists ... if it does, go to the existing record ... if not, continue to the next field as a new record. Private Sub TransactionsEntryNumber_Exit(Cancel As Integer) If IsNull(TransactionsEntryNumber) Or TransactionsEntryNumber = "" Then Dim Msg As String, Response As Integer Msg = "Do you want to have an entry number assigned?" Response = MsgBox(Msg, vbYesNo + vbQuestion + vbDefaultButton1, "Entry Number Assignment") If Response = vbYes Then TransactionsEntryNumber = fAssignEntryNumber(TransactionsFilerCodeID.Column(1), DMax("TransactionsEntryNumber", "tblTransactions"), 1) Else Cancel = True Exit Sub End If Else DoCmd.FindRecord TransactionsEntryNumber, acEntire, True, acSearchAll, True, acCurrent, True End If End Sub The 'new' part works perfectly ... probably because I'm starting the user in a new record: Private Sub Form_Open(Cancel As Integer) DoCmd.GoToRecord , , acNewRec End Sub ... it's the 'find' that keeps failing (error: unable to save; would create duplicate) Run-time error '3022': The changes you requested to the table were not successful because they would create duplicate values in the index, primary key, or relationship. Change the data in the field or fields that contain the duplicate data, remove the index, or redefine the index to permit duplicate entries and try again. Is it as simple as trapping the error? Or should I use two controls and stack them? Thanks, as usual Bob Gajewski From rbgajewski at roadrunner.com Sat Oct 15 15:43:10 2011 From: rbgajewski at roadrunner.com (Bob Gajewski) Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2011 16:43:10 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Record navigation - find versus new In-Reply-To: References: <2A7C913116664297953CD35264C19070@7B440585K> Message-ID: <025C543E420E422394F127540570AD84@7B440585K> DataEntry = No AllowEdits = Yes -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2011 12:57 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Record navigation - find versus new What are the Data Entry and Allow Edits properties on the form set to? Charlotte Foust On Sat, Oct 15, 2011 at 8:58 AM, Bob Gajewski wrote: > Hi All > > I am having trouble with what is probably one of the most basic > functions, but I just can't figure it out and would really appreciate > if someone could point me in the right direction. > > I have a data entry form, with one of the key fields called > TransactionsEntryNumber (text, length=8, required, indexed, duplicates > not allowed). I am trying to write the code so that when a user types > in an entry number, the code looks to see if it exists ... if it does, > go to the existing record ... if not, continue to the next field as a new record. > > > Private Sub TransactionsEntryNumber_Exit(Cancel As Integer) > If IsNull(TransactionsEntryNumber) Or TransactionsEntryNumber = "" Then > Dim Msg As String, Response As Integer > Msg = "Do you want to have an entry number assigned?" > Response = MsgBox(Msg, vbYesNo + vbQuestion + vbDefaultButton1, > "Entry Number Assignment") > If Response = vbYes Then > TransactionsEntryNumber = > fAssignEntryNumber(TransactionsFilerCodeID.Column(1), > DMax("TransactionsEntryNumber", "tblTransactions"), 1) > Else > Cancel = True > Exit Sub > End If > Else > DoCmd.FindRecord TransactionsEntryNumber, acEntire, True, > acSearchAll, True, acCurrent, True > End If > End Sub > > > The 'new' part works perfectly ... probably because I'm starting the > user in a new record: > > Private Sub Form_Open(Cancel As Integer) > DoCmd.GoToRecord , , acNewRec > End Sub > > ... it's the 'find' that keeps failing (error: unable to save; would > create > duplicate) > > > Run-time error '3022': > > The changes you requested to the table were not successful because > they would > create duplicate values in the index, primary key, or relationship. > Change the data > in the field or fields that contain the duplicate data, remove the > index, or redefine > the index to permit duplicate entries and try again. > > > Is it as simple as trapping the error? Or should I use two controls > and stack them? > > Thanks, as usual > Bob Gajewski > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From charlotte.foust at gmail.com Sat Oct 15 17:51:20 2011 From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust) Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2011 15:51:20 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Record navigation - find versus new In-Reply-To: <025C543E420E422394F127540570AD84@7B440585K> References: <2A7C913116664297953CD35264C19070@7B440585K> <025C543E420E422394F127540570AD84@7B440585K> Message-ID: So after the find, the values in the found record are displayed in the form? If not, it t sounds like you might have AllowAdditions set to Yes, in which case, you are trying to create a duplicate record even if you don't intend to. DataEntry is only in effect if AllowAdditions is turned on IIRRC. Charlotte Foust On Sat, Oct 15, 2011 at 1:43 PM, Bob Gajewski wrote: > DataEntry = No > AllowEdits = Yes > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust > Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2011 12:57 PM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Record navigation - find versus new > > What are the Data Entry and Allow Edits properties on the form set to? > > Charlotte Foust > On Sat, Oct 15, 2011 at 8:58 AM, Bob Gajewski > wrote: > > > Hi All > > > > I am having trouble with what is probably one of the most basic > > functions, but I just can't figure it out and would really appreciate > > if someone could point me in the right direction. > > > > I have a data entry form, with one of the key fields called > > TransactionsEntryNumber (text, length=8, required, indexed, duplicates > > not allowed). I am trying to write the code so that when a user types > > in an entry number, the code looks to see if it exists ... if it does, > > go to the existing record ... if not, continue to the next field as a new > record. > > > > > > Private Sub TransactionsEntryNumber_Exit(Cancel As Integer) > > If IsNull(TransactionsEntryNumber) Or TransactionsEntryNumber = "" > Then > > Dim Msg As String, Response As Integer > > Msg = "Do you want to have an entry number assigned?" > > Response = MsgBox(Msg, vbYesNo + vbQuestion + vbDefaultButton1, > > "Entry Number Assignment") > > If Response = vbYes Then > > TransactionsEntryNumber = > > fAssignEntryNumber(TransactionsFilerCodeID.Column(1), > > DMax("TransactionsEntryNumber", "tblTransactions"), 1) > > Else > > Cancel = True > > Exit Sub > > End If > > Else > > DoCmd.FindRecord TransactionsEntryNumber, acEntire, True, > > acSearchAll, True, acCurrent, True > > End If > > End Sub > > > > > > The 'new' part works perfectly ... probably because I'm starting the > > user in a new record: > > > > Private Sub Form_Open(Cancel As Integer) > > DoCmd.GoToRecord , , acNewRec > > End Sub > > > > ... it's the 'find' that keeps failing (error: unable to save; would > > create > > duplicate) > > > > > > Run-time error '3022': > > > > The changes you requested to the table were not successful because > > they would > > create duplicate values in the index, primary key, or relationship. > > Change the data > > in the field or fields that contain the duplicate data, remove the > > index, or redefine > > the index to permit duplicate entries and try again. > > > > > > Is it as simple as trapping the error? Or should I use two controls > > and stack them? > > > > Thanks, as usual > > Bob Gajewski > > > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > > > > > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > From marksimms at verizon.net Sat Oct 15 18:50:43 2011 From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms) Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2011 19:50:43 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Death of a giant In-Reply-To: <4E998DC9.8000206@colbyconsulting.com> References: <4E998DC9.8000206@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <001501cc8b95$40b9d410$c22d7c30$@net> Jobs was a huge proponent for Objective C...and he hated JAVA. From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Sat Oct 15 22:52:01 2011 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2011 23:52:01 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] For those in need Message-ID: <4E9A54E1.5020609@colbyconsulting.com> Who think my server is puny... http://www.nccs.gov/computing-resources/jaguar/access/ You too can do super computing. -- John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it From BradM at blackforestltd.com Sun Oct 16 16:13:38 2011 From: BradM at blackforestltd.com (Brad Marks) Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2011 16:13:38 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Data on Report does not match data in the Report's Record Source References: <4E9A54E1.5020609@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: All, I believe that this is the strangest thing I have ever seen in Access 2007. We have a purchased package which uses a Firebird Database. All of the tables are defined by the application vendor. We are able to access the Firebird tables from Access 2007 via ODBC. This combination has worked nicely in numerous tests that we have conducted over the past 2-3 months. A few days ago, I happened to notice that the data on one report does not match the data in the Report's Record Source (a query). I have conducted many tests on two different PCs and the results are consistent. The data on the report is correct, but the data in the underlying Record Source is not correct. If I look at the Access "Linked Table" (Which is stored in the Firebird Database), the data is not correct (but I can make it appear correct by doing a Refresh in Access). If I view the data with the Firebird Utility called "isql", the data is correct. I have spent many hours trying different things and running various tests (and pulling my hair out). In summary... Data on Report = Correct Data from Firebird "isql" utility = Correct Data in Report's Record Source (query) = Not Correct Data shown by viewing "Linked Table" = Not correct (although I can make it appear correct by doing a "Refresh" in Access) Data as viewed via the purchased application = Correct We have conducted many tests with the Firebird Database - Access 2007 combination over the past few months, so we have some experience, but not a huge amount. My latest theory is that the problem lies in the ODBC driver. This would explain why the data appears correct with isql but appears incorrect when initially viewed as an Access 2007 Linked Table. However, this still doesn't explain why the data on the report is correct when the data in the report's record source is incorrect. Has anyone ever heard of anything like this before? Has anyone worked with Access in combination with data from Firebird database tables? Thanks for your help, Brad From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Sun Oct 16 17:41:20 2011 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2011 08:41:20 +1000 Subject: [AccessD] Data on Report does not match data in the Report's Record Source In-Reply-To: References: <4E9A54E1.5020609@colbyconsulting.com>, Message-ID: <4E9B5D90.18431.13C654DB@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> If the structure of the Firebird table has changed, you should relink the tables. On 16 Oct 2011 at 16:13, Brad Marks wrote: > All, > > I believe that this is the strangest thing I have ever seen in Access > 2007. > > We have a purchased package which uses a Firebird Database. All of the > tables are defined by the application vendor. We are able to access > the Firebird tables from Access 2007 via ODBC. This combination has > worked nicely in numerous tests that we have conducted over the past > 2-3 months. > > A few days ago, I happened to notice that the data on one report does > not match the data in the Report's Record Source (a query). I have > conducted many tests on two different PCs and the results are > consistent. The data on the report is correct, but the data in the > underlying Record Source is not correct. If I look at the Access > "Linked Table" (Which is stored in the Firebird Database), the data is > not correct (but I can make it appear correct by doing a Refresh in > Access). > > If I view the data with the Firebird Utility called "isql", the data > is correct. > > I have spent many hours trying different things and running various > tests (and pulling my hair out). > > > In summary... > > Data on Report = Correct > > Data from Firebird "isql" utility = Correct > > Data in Report's Record Source (query) = Not Correct > > Data shown by viewing "Linked Table" = Not correct (although I can > make it appear correct by doing a "Refresh" in Access) > > Data as viewed via the purchased application = Correct > > We have conducted many tests with the Firebird Database - Access 2007 > combination over the past few months, so we have some experience, but > not a huge amount. > > My latest theory is that the problem lies in the ODBC driver. > > This would explain why the data appears correct with isql but appears > incorrect when initially viewed as an Access 2007 Linked Table. > > However, this still doesn't explain why the data on the report is > correct when the data in the report's record source is incorrect. > > Has anyone ever heard of anything like this before? > > Has anyone worked with Access in combination with data from Firebird > database tables? > > Thanks for your help, > > Brad > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From marksimms at verizon.net Sun Oct 16 19:27:21 2011 From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms) Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2011 20:27:21 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Data on Report does not match data in the Report's Record Source In-Reply-To: <4E9B5D90.18431.13C654DB@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: <4E9A54E1.5020609@colbyconsulting.com>, <4E9B5D90.18431.13C654DB@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <001e01cc8c63$8938be30$9baa3a90$@net> > If the structure of the Firebird table has changed, you should relink > the tables. If that doesn't solve the problem, then this is a BIG TIME bug that has snuck thru 2007-SP2. If that's true, I'll bet it has persisted in 2010. From jimdettman at verizon.net Sun Oct 16 19:59:36 2011 From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman) Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2011 20:59:36 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Data on Report does not match data in the Report's RecordSource In-Reply-To: References: <4E9A54E1.5020609@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: Watch out with reports; 2007 introduced Report View, which will show you odd data at times. Lots of strange things can happen there as most of the report events don't fire. If your depending on any code to support the report, you may see different things. Sounds like your problem is more then that though. I'd also look at database corruption; create a new DB and import everything into it, then see if you get the same results. If you do, that would be wild; I've never heard of anything even remotely close to this. I would also seriously doubt it could be wide spread as 2007 has now been out for over four years. It would be good if you could go into a little more detail on what it is your seeing. Ie. more records? Different field values for the same records? Keep us updated.... Jim. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brad Marks Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2011 05:14 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: [AccessD] Data on Report does not match data in the Report's RecordSource All, I believe that this is the strangest thing I have ever seen in Access 2007. We have a purchased package which uses a Firebird Database. All of the tables are defined by the application vendor. We are able to access the Firebird tables from Access 2007 via ODBC. This combination has worked nicely in numerous tests that we have conducted over the past 2-3 months. A few days ago, I happened to notice that the data on one report does not match the data in the Report's Record Source (a query). I have conducted many tests on two different PCs and the results are consistent. The data on the report is correct, but the data in the underlying Record Source is not correct. If I look at the Access "Linked Table" (Which is stored in the Firebird Database), the data is not correct (but I can make it appear correct by doing a Refresh in Access). If I view the data with the Firebird Utility called "isql", the data is correct. I have spent many hours trying different things and running various tests (and pulling my hair out). In summary... Data on Report = Correct Data from Firebird "isql" utility = Correct Data in Report's Record Source (query) = Not Correct Data shown by viewing "Linked Table" = Not correct (although I can make it appear correct by doing a "Refresh" in Access) Data as viewed via the purchased application = Correct We have conducted many tests with the Firebird Database - Access 2007 combination over the past few months, so we have some experience, but not a huge amount. My latest theory is that the problem lies in the ODBC driver. This would explain why the data appears correct with isql but appears incorrect when initially viewed as an Access 2007 Linked Table. However, this still doesn't explain why the data on the report is correct when the data in the report's record source is incorrect. Has anyone ever heard of anything like this before? Has anyone worked with Access in combination with data from Firebird database tables? Thanks for your help, Brad -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From BradM at blackforestltd.com Sun Oct 16 20:09:54 2011 From: BradM at blackforestltd.com (Brad Marks) Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2011 20:09:54 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Data on Report does not match data in the Report'sRecord Source References: <4E9A54E1.5020609@colbyconsulting.com>, <4E9B5D90.18431.13C654DB@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: Stuart, Thanks for the help. No, the structure of the Firebird tables has not changed. Brad -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2011 5:41 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Data on Report does not match data in the Report'sRecord Source If the structure of the Firebird table has changed, you should relink the tables. On 16 Oct 2011 at 16:13, Brad Marks wrote: > All, > > I believe that this is the strangest thing I have ever seen in Access > 2007. > > We have a purchased package which uses a Firebird Database. All of the > tables are defined by the application vendor. We are able to access > the Firebird tables from Access 2007 via ODBC. This combination has > worked nicely in numerous tests that we have conducted over the past > 2-3 months. > > A few days ago, I happened to notice that the data on one report does > not match the data in the Report's Record Source (a query). I have > conducted many tests on two different PCs and the results are > consistent. The data on the report is correct, but the data in the > underlying Record Source is not correct. If I look at the Access > "Linked Table" (Which is stored in the Firebird Database), the data is > not correct (but I can make it appear correct by doing a Refresh in > Access). > > If I view the data with the Firebird Utility called "isql", the data > is correct. > > I have spent many hours trying different things and running various > tests (and pulling my hair out). > > > In summary... > > Data on Report = Correct > > Data from Firebird "isql" utility = Correct > > Data in Report's Record Source (query) = Not Correct > > Data shown by viewing "Linked Table" = Not correct (although I can > make it appear correct by doing a "Refresh" in Access) > > Data as viewed via the purchased application = Correct > > We have conducted many tests with the Firebird Database - Access 2007 > combination over the past few months, so we have some experience, but > not a huge amount. > > My latest theory is that the problem lies in the ODBC driver. > > This would explain why the data appears correct with isql but appears > incorrect when initially viewed as an Access 2007 Linked Table. > > However, this still doesn't explain why the data on the report is > correct when the data in the report's record source is incorrect. > > Has anyone ever heard of anything like this before? > > Has anyone worked with Access in combination with data from Firebird > database tables? > > Thanks for your help, > > Brad > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. From BradM at blackforestltd.com Sun Oct 16 20:21:56 2011 From: BradM at blackforestltd.com (Brad Marks) Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2011 20:21:56 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Data on Report does not match data in the Report's RecordSource References: <4E9A54E1.5020609@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: > It would be good if you could go into a little more detail on what it is > your seeing. Ie. more records? Different field values for the same >records? Jim, Thanks for the help. Here is what I am seeing... I use the purchased application to add two records to one table. When I view the two records with an Access 2007 query, both records appear to be identical (this is NOT correct). When I view the two records with an Access 2007 report, the two records are correct (the data shown on the report is exactly what I entered into the application system). When I view the data in the two records via Firebird's isql utility, the data is correct. What I really can't understand is how the report can show the right data, but the record source for this very report shows incorrect data. Brad -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2011 8:00 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Data on Report does not match data in the Report's RecordSource Watch out with reports; 2007 introduced Report View, which will show you odd data at times. Lots of strange things can happen there as most of the report events don't fire. If your depending on any code to support the report, you may see different things. Sounds like your problem is more then that though. I'd also look at database corruption; create a new DB and import everything into it, then see if you get the same results. If you do, that would be wild; I've never heard of anything even remotely close to this. I would also seriously doubt it could be wide spread as 2007 has now been out for over four years. It would be good if you could go into a little more detail on what it is your seeing. Ie. more records? Different field values for the same records? Keep us updated.... Jim. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brad Marks Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2011 05:14 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: [AccessD] Data on Report does not match data in the Report's RecordSource All, I believe that this is the strangest thing I have ever seen in Access 2007. We have a purchased package which uses a Firebird Database. All of the tables are defined by the application vendor. We are able to access the Firebird tables from Access 2007 via ODBC. This combination has worked nicely in numerous tests that we have conducted over the past 2-3 months. A few days ago, I happened to notice that the data on one report does not match the data in the Report's Record Source (a query). I have conducted many tests on two different PCs and the results are consistent. The data on the report is correct, but the data in the underlying Record Source is not correct. If I look at the Access "Linked Table" (Which is stored in the Firebird Database), the data is not correct (but I can make it appear correct by doing a Refresh in Access). If I view the data with the Firebird Utility called "isql", the data is correct. I have spent many hours trying different things and running various tests (and pulling my hair out). In summary... Data on Report = Correct Data from Firebird "isql" utility = Correct Data in Report's Record Source (query) = Not Correct Data shown by viewing "Linked Table" = Not correct (although I can make it appear correct by doing a "Refresh" in Access) Data as viewed via the purchased application = Correct We have conducted many tests with the Firebird Database - Access 2007 combination over the past few months, so we have some experience, but not a huge amount. My latest theory is that the problem lies in the ODBC driver. This would explain why the data appears correct with isql but appears incorrect when initially viewed as an Access 2007 Linked Table. However, this still doesn't explain why the data on the report is correct when the data in the report's record source is incorrect. Has anyone ever heard of anything like this before? Has anyone worked with Access in combination with data from Firebird database tables? Thanks for your help, Brad -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. From BradM at blackforestltd.com Sun Oct 16 21:12:17 2011 From: BradM at blackforestltd.com (Brad Marks) Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2011 21:12:17 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Data on Report does not match data in the Report's RecordSource - Problem Resolved! References: <4E9A54E1.5020609@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: Oh Boy... Do I ever feel STUPID! Because of the suggestion, to Relink the Firebird table in question, I decided to do so. In the process of doing the Relink, Access displayed a message "To ensure data integrity and to update records, you must choose a field or fields that uniquely identify each record". As I understand it, the field(s) selected results in establishing the Primary Key on the Access side for the linked table. When doing the Relink, it dawned on me that I had earlier selected the wrong field to uniquely identify each record. I believe that this mistake resulted in the strange results that I was seeing. This mistake was mine. For a time, I thought that I had stumbled on some sort of bug, or angered the "ODBC gods" :-) Thanks again for the help. Once again, the advice given by others here in the AccessD forum has helped to resolve a problem (and keep me from pulling out even more of my hair). I really appreciate the help and advice that is provided on this forum. Sincerely, Brad -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brad Marks Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2011 8:22 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Data on Report does not match data in the Report'sRecordSource > It would be good if you could go into a little more detail on what it is > your seeing. Ie. more records? Different field values for the same >records? Jim, Thanks for the help. Here is what I am seeing... I use the purchased application to add two records to one table. When I view the two records with an Access 2007 query, both records appear to be identical (this is NOT correct). When I view the two records with an Access 2007 report, the two records are correct (the data shown on the report is exactly what I entered into the application system). When I view the data in the two records via Firebird's isql utility, the data is correct. What I really can't understand is how the report can show the right data, but the record source for this very report shows incorrect data. Brad -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2011 8:00 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Data on Report does not match data in the Report's RecordSource Watch out with reports; 2007 introduced Report View, which will show you odd data at times. Lots of strange things can happen there as most of the report events don't fire. If your depending on any code to support the report, you may see different things. Sounds like your problem is more then that though. I'd also look at database corruption; create a new DB and import everything into it, then see if you get the same results. If you do, that would be wild; I've never heard of anything even remotely close to this. I would also seriously doubt it could be wide spread as 2007 has now been out for over four years. It would be good if you could go into a little more detail on what it is your seeing. Ie. more records? Different field values for the same records? Keep us updated.... Jim. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brad Marks Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2011 05:14 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: [AccessD] Data on Report does not match data in the Report's RecordSource All, I believe that this is the strangest thing I have ever seen in Access 2007. We have a purchased package which uses a Firebird Database. All of the tables are defined by the application vendor. We are able to access the Firebird tables from Access 2007 via ODBC. This combination has worked nicely in numerous tests that we have conducted over the past 2-3 months. A few days ago, I happened to notice that the data on one report does not match the data in the Report's Record Source (a query). I have conducted many tests on two different PCs and the results are consistent. The data on the report is correct, but the data in the underlying Record Source is not correct. If I look at the Access "Linked Table" (Which is stored in the Firebird Database), the data is not correct (but I can make it appear correct by doing a Refresh in Access). If I view the data with the Firebird Utility called "isql", the data is correct. I have spent many hours trying different things and running various tests (and pulling my hair out). In summary... Data on Report = Correct Data from Firebird "isql" utility = Correct Data in Report's Record Source (query) = Not Correct Data shown by viewing "Linked Table" = Not correct (although I can make it appear correct by doing a "Refresh" in Access) Data as viewed via the purchased application = Correct We have conducted many tests with the Firebird Database - Access 2007 combination over the past few months, so we have some experience, but not a huge amount. My latest theory is that the problem lies in the ODBC driver. This would explain why the data appears correct with isql but appears incorrect when initially viewed as an Access 2007 Linked Table. However, this still doesn't explain why the data on the report is correct when the data in the report's record source is incorrect. Has anyone ever heard of anything like this before? Has anyone worked with Access in combination with data from Firebird database tables? Thanks for your help, Brad -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. From garykjos at gmail.com Sun Oct 16 22:34:35 2011 From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos) Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2011 22:34:35 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Data on Report does not match data in the Report's RecordSource - Problem Resolved! In-Reply-To: References: <4E9A54E1.5020609@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: Whew! I've had that same issue with Oracle ODBC data when I didn't specify the key's correctly when the link process didn't see them automatically. Glad you solved the mystery Brad. And thanks for letting us know. GK On Sun, Oct 16, 2011 at 9:12 PM, Brad Marks wrote: > Oh Boy... Do I ever feel STUPID! > > Because of the suggestion, to Relink the Firebird table in question, I > decided to do so. > > In the process of doing the Relink, Access displayed a message "To > ensure data integrity and to update records, you must choose a field or > fields that uniquely identify each record". > > As I understand it, the field(s) selected results in establishing the > Primary Key on the Access side for the linked table. > > When doing the Relink, it dawned on me that I had earlier selected the > wrong field to uniquely identify each record. ? I believe that this > mistake resulted in the strange results that I was seeing. > > This mistake was mine. ?For a time, I thought that I had stumbled on > some sort of bug, or angered the "ODBC gods" ? :-) > > > Thanks again for the help. ?Once again, the advice given by others here > in the AccessD forum has helped to resolve a problem (and keep me from > pulling out even more of my hair). > > I really appreciate the help and advice that is provided on this forum. > > Sincerely, > > Brad > -- Gary Kjos garykjos at gmail.com From vbacreations at gmail.com Mon Oct 17 02:42:29 2011 From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson (VBACreations.Com)) Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2011 03:42:29 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Data on Report does not match data in the Report's RecordSource - Problem Resolved! In-Reply-To: References: <4E9A54E1.5020609@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <002801cc8ca0$5336ad50$f9a407f0$@gmail.com> I have jumped in here and not read the entire thread (shame shame yeah well...) but this one line reminded me of some history I have with Oracle tables thru odbc and I got to wondering, what is a person to do when they have no idea whatsoever what (if any) up-to-10-fields represent a unique index on an oracle table or even *IF* there is a 10-field index which will represent a unique record? Is it better to leave the prompt unanswered rather than selecting 10 "I-think-these-will-do" fields? -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brad Marks Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2011 10:12 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Data on Report does not match data in the Report's RecordSource - Problem Resolved! Oh Boy... Do I ever feel STUPID! Because of the suggestion, to Relink the Firebird table in question, I decided to do so. In the process of doing the Relink, Access displayed a message "To ensure data integrity and to update records, you must choose a field or fields that uniquely identify each record". As I understand it, the field(s) selected results in establishing the Primary Key on the Access side for the linked table. When doing the Relink, it dawned on me that I had earlier selected the wrong field to uniquely identify each record. I believe that this mistake resulted in the strange results that I was seeing. This mistake was mine. For a time, I thought that I had stumbled on some sort of bug, or angered the "ODBC gods" :-) Thanks again for the help. Once again, the advice given by others here in the AccessD forum has helped to resolve a problem (and keep me from pulling out even more of my hair). I really appreciate the help and advice that is provided on this forum. Sincerely, Brad -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brad Marks Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2011 8:22 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Data on Report does not match data in the Report'sRecordSource > It would be good if you could go into a little more detail on what it is > your seeing. Ie. more records? Different field values for the same >records? Jim, Thanks for the help. Here is what I am seeing... I use the purchased application to add two records to one table. When I view the two records with an Access 2007 query, both records appear to be identical (this is NOT correct). When I view the two records with an Access 2007 report, the two records are correct (the data shown on the report is exactly what I entered into the application system). When I view the data in the two records via Firebird's isql utility, the data is correct. What I really can't understand is how the report can show the right data, but the record source for this very report shows incorrect data. Brad -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2011 8:00 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Data on Report does not match data in the Report's RecordSource Watch out with reports; 2007 introduced Report View, which will show you odd data at times. Lots of strange things can happen there as most of the report events don't fire. If your depending on any code to support the report, you may see different things. Sounds like your problem is more then that though. I'd also look at database corruption; create a new DB and import everything into it, then see if you get the same results. If you do, that would be wild; I've never heard of anything even remotely close to this. I would also seriously doubt it could be wide spread as 2007 has now been out for over four years. It would be good if you could go into a little more detail on what it is your seeing. Ie. more records? Different field values for the same records? Keep us updated.... Jim. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brad Marks Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2011 05:14 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: [AccessD] Data on Report does not match data in the Report's RecordSource All, I believe that this is the strangest thing I have ever seen in Access 2007. We have a purchased package which uses a Firebird Database. All of the tables are defined by the application vendor. We are able to access the Firebird tables from Access 2007 via ODBC. This combination has worked nicely in numerous tests that we have conducted over the past 2-3 months. A few days ago, I happened to notice that the data on one report does not match the data in the Report's Record Source (a query). I have conducted many tests on two different PCs and the results are consistent. The data on the report is correct, but the data in the underlying Record Source is not correct. If I look at the Access "Linked Table" (Which is stored in the Firebird Database), the data is not correct (but I can make it appear correct by doing a Refresh in Access). If I view the data with the Firebird Utility called "isql", the data is correct. I have spent many hours trying different things and running various tests (and pulling my hair out). In summary... Data on Report = Correct Data from Firebird "isql" utility = Correct Data in Report's Record Source (query) = Not Correct Data shown by viewing "Linked Table" = Not correct (although I can make it appear correct by doing a "Refresh" in Access) Data as viewed via the purchased application = Correct We have conducted many tests with the Firebird Database - Access 2007 combination over the past few months, so we have some experience, but not a huge amount. My latest theory is that the problem lies in the ODBC driver. This would explain why the data appears correct with isql but appears incorrect when initially viewed as an Access 2007 Linked Table. However, this still doesn't explain why the data on the report is correct when the data in the report's record source is incorrect. Has anyone ever heard of anything like this before? Has anyone worked with Access in combination with data from Firebird database tables? Thanks for your help, Brad -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Tue Oct 18 12:45:46 2011 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2011 13:45:46 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Known Bugs List in A2K7/10 Message-ID: Does anyone know of a known bug list for these two products? I am running into some very strange issues, and if they are known bugs then I can stop fighting them and just acknowledge that it's time to move on to a more solid platform. Weird screen behaviour, saved changes turn out not to be saved, etc. Very frustrating. Maybe it's time for a c# course. A. From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Tue Oct 18 13:16:31 2011 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2011 14:16:31 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Known Bugs List in A2K7/10 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4E9DC27F.20208@colbyconsulting.com> >Maybe it's time for a c# course. Uhhh yep. Regardless of the answer to your question. ;) John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it On 10/18/2011 1:45 PM, Arthur Fuller wrote: > Does anyone know of a known bug list for these two products? I am running > into some very strange issues, and if they are known bugs then I can stop > fighting them and just acknowledge that it's time to move on to a more solid > platform. Weird screen behaviour, saved changes turn out not to be saved, > etc. Very frustrating. Maybe it's time for a c# course. > > A. From charlotte.foust at gmail.com Tue Oct 18 13:25:43 2011 From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust) Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2011 11:25:43 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Known Bugs List in A2K7/10 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I can state without question that I hate Access 2010 even more than 2007. Particularly the report generator! Charlotte Foust On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 10:45 AM, Arthur Fuller wrote: > Does anyone know of a known bug list for these two products? I am running > into some very strange issues, and if they are known bugs then I can stop > fighting them and just acknowledge that it's time to move on to a more > solid > platform. Weird screen behaviour, saved changes turn out not to be saved, > etc. Very frustrating. Maybe it's time for a c# course. > > A. > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > From davidmcafee at gmail.com Tue Oct 18 13:28:24 2011 From: davidmcafee at gmail.com (David McAfee) Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2011 11:28:24 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Known Bugs List in A2K7/10 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Allen Browne site has a list (Sorry I don't have the link at the moment) I think A2010 SP1 (or was it Win7 Sp1, or both) had some weird issues. I have had some things that have been working for years suddenly break. I have also had some weird things happen that I haven't pin pointed yet, such as: A form launching a report in preview mode Pressing Print, prints the form behind the report, not the report itself. I thought the user was doing something wrong, but it has happened again to another user. I though the from / report were corrupt, so I wiped the FE from their computer and reinstalled it. Same issue. Reboot the box. Same issue. Came back to my desk to check a few things and go back and it was working again. weird. I've had other issues where I had to put CDATE() around a date field when comparing something such as: If Me.txtIncentiveStartDate = CDate(Me.lstHist.Column(3)) Then I had to change it to : If CDate(Me.txtIncentiveStartDate) = CDate(Me.lstHist.Column(3)) Then I've also had another issue where I had to change code that has worked for several years: If (SysCmd(acSysCmdAccessVer) = 14) Then Me.RecordSource = "EXEC dbo.stpItemDetHist " & Me.InputParameters Else Me.RecordSourceQualifier = "dbo" Me.RecordSource = "stpItemDetHist" End If On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 10:45 AM, Arthur Fuller wrote: > Does anyone know of a known bug list for these two products? I am running > into some very strange issues, and if they are known bugs then I can stop > fighting them and just acknowledge that it's time to move on to a more > solid > platform. Weird screen behaviour, saved changes turn out not to be saved, > etc. Very frustrating. Maybe it's time for a c# course. > > A. > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From BradM at blackforestltd.com Tue Oct 18 13:39:59 2011 From: BradM at blackforestltd.com (Brad Marks) Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2011 13:39:59 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Known Bugs List in A2K7/10 References: Message-ID: Charlotte, We are VERY dependent on Access 2007 Reports. There has been some talk about migrating to Access 2010. I am curious to learn what you are seeing in the area of report problems. Is the Access 2010 Report generator much different than the Access 2007 Report generator? Thanks, Brad ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2011 1:26 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Known Bugs List in A2K7/10 I can state without question that I hate Access 2010 even more than 2007. Particularly the report generator! Charlotte Foust On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 10:45 AM, Arthur Fuller wrote: > Does anyone know of a known bug list for these two products? I am running > into some very strange issues, and if they are known bugs then I can stop > fighting them and just acknowledge that it's time to move on to a more > solid > platform. Weird screen behaviour, saved changes turn out not to be saved, > etc. Very frustrating. Maybe it's time for a c# course. > > A. > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. From marksimms at verizon.net Tue Oct 18 14:05:41 2011 From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms) Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2011 15:05:41 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Known Bugs List in A2K7/10 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <002f01cc8dc8$eecfe780$cc6fb680$@net> Gang -the 2010 issue list is huge. Things like the CDate comparison are due to the changes made to VBA and the interpreter. Once they messed around with that, it opened up a whole can of worms. Indeed 2010 is like "Pandora's Box" for developers. Get this: User does an Undo on a bare form's record. They can easily add a new record right after that. But I cannot do the above in VBA !!! Took me 6 hours to determine how to work around it....and a Requery was necessary after each and every Undo so that a new record could be added. Tested and worked fine in 2007. Brad Marks or some other MSFT employee is tracking these issues on the social.msdn website. BUT, I seriously doubt you would get a chance to peak at the list. (you might faint !) From dbdoug at gmail.com Tue Oct 18 14:25:16 2011 From: dbdoug at gmail.com (Doug Steele) Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2011 12:25:16 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Known Bugs List in A2K7/10 In-Reply-To: <002f01cc8dc8$eecfe780$cc6fb680$@net> References: <002f01cc8dc8$eecfe780$cc6fb680$@net> Message-ID: Funnily enough, I've had virtually no problems running A2003 databases in A2010. Unlike A2007, which was a nightmare, especially for the first year or so. Doug On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 12:05 PM, Mark Simms wrote: > Gang -the 2010 issue list is huge. Things like the CDate comparison are due > to the changes made to VBA and the interpreter. > Once they messed around with that, it opened up a whole can of worms. > Indeed 2010 is like "Pandora's Box" for developers. > > Get this: User does an Undo on a bare form's record. They can easily add a > new record right after that. > But I cannot do the above in VBA !!! Took me 6 hours to determine how to > work around it....and a Requery was necessary after each and every Undo so > that a new record could be added. Tested and worked fine in 2007. > > Brad Marks or some other MSFT employee is tracking these issues on the > social.msdn website. > BUT, I seriously doubt you would get a chance to peak at the list. > (you might faint !) > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From marksimms at verizon.net Tue Oct 18 14:50:14 2011 From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms) Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2011 15:50:14 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Known Bugs List in A2K7/10 In-Reply-To: References: <002f01cc8dc8$eecfe780$cc6fb680$@net> Message-ID: <007401cc8dcf$27f84330$77e8c990$@net> Yeah, Doug, but you're probably not using any ACCDB 2007/2010 features like splitforms, etc. > Funnily enough, I've had virtually no problems running A2003 databases > in > A2010. Unlike A2007, which was a nightmare, especially for the first > year > or so. > > Doug > From charlotte.foust at gmail.com Tue Oct 18 15:05:53 2011 From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust) Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2011 13:05:53 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Known Bugs List in A2K7/10 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I didn't work much with 2007, but I've been using a 2010 accdb based on the contacts template to handle an invitation list for a friend. I wanted to print the Company name if it was Xyz Company and otherwise to print the email address on a report listing the contacts. In VB.Net, that would have been a no brainer. In Access, I could not find any way to change the visibility of a control on the subreport in the events of the subreport (parent report unbound), so I finally was forced to use the CanGrow/CanShrink properties to print both fields when they existed! I probably could have worked around it if I had wanted to struggle for hours with it, but I didn't. I could have gone unbound if I could have found the appropriate event to use to populate a label or some such, or I could have juggled subreports I guess. It was just so darn limiting, that I didn't bother. Charlotte Foust On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 11:39 AM, Brad Marks wrote: > Charlotte, > > We are VERY dependent on Access 2007 Reports. There has been some talk > about migrating to Access 2010. I am curious to learn what you are > seeing in the area of report problems. > > Is the Access 2010 Report generator much different than the Access 2007 > Report generator? > > Thanks, > Brad > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte > Foust > Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2011 1:26 PM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Known Bugs List in A2K7/10 > > I can state without question that I hate Access 2010 even more than > 2007. > Particularly the report generator! > > Charlotte Foust > > On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 10:45 AM, Arthur Fuller > wrote: > > > Does anyone know of a known bug list for these two products? I am > running > > into some very strange issues, and if they are known bugs then I can > stop > > fighting them and just acknowledge that it's time to move on to a more > > solid > > platform. Weird screen behaviour, saved changes turn out not to be > saved, > > etc. Very frustrating. Maybe it's time for a c# course. > > > > A. > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > > > > > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is > believed to be clean. > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > From BradM at blackforestltd.com Tue Oct 18 15:05:44 2011 From: BradM at blackforestltd.com (Brad Marks) Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2011 15:05:44 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Known Bugs List in A2K7/10 References: Message-ID: Charlotte, Thanks for the info. Brad -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2011 3:06 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Known Bugs List in A2K7/10 I didn't work much with 2007, but I've been using a 2010 accdb based on the contacts template to handle an invitation list for a friend. I wanted to print the Company name if it was Xyz Company and otherwise to print the email address on a report listing the contacts. In VB.Net, that would have been a no brainer. In Access, I could not find any way to change the visibility of a control on the subreport in the events of the subreport (parent report unbound), so I finally was forced to use the CanGrow/CanShrink properties to print both fields when they existed! I probably could have worked around it if I had wanted to struggle for hours with it, but I didn't. I could have gone unbound if I could have found the appropriate event to use to populate a label or some such, or I could have juggled subreports I guess. It was just so darn limiting, that I didn't bother. Charlotte Foust On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 11:39 AM, Brad Marks wrote: > Charlotte, > > We are VERY dependent on Access 2007 Reports. There has been some talk > about migrating to Access 2010. I am curious to learn what you are > seeing in the area of report problems. > > Is the Access 2010 Report generator much different than the Access 2007 > Report generator? > > Thanks, > Brad > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte > Foust > Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2011 1:26 PM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Known Bugs List in A2K7/10 > > I can state without question that I hate Access 2010 even more than > 2007. > Particularly the report generator! > > Charlotte Foust > > On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 10:45 AM, Arthur Fuller > wrote: > > > Does anyone know of a known bug list for these two products? I am > running > > into some very strange issues, and if they are known bugs then I can > stop > > fighting them and just acknowledge that it's time to move on to a more > > solid > > platform. Weird screen behaviour, saved changes turn out not to be > saved, > > etc. Very frustrating. Maybe it's time for a c# course. > > > > A. > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > > > > > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is > believed to be clean. > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. From charlotte.foust at gmail.com Tue Oct 18 15:10:39 2011 From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust) Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2011 13:10:39 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Known Bugs List in A2K7/10 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: By the way, does anyone know of a way to make the breakpoints in 2010 VBA actually work in a report? As of 2002, they did but I can't make it happen in 2010 and I don't have the earlier versions on this machine since the last Windows 7 reinstall. Charlotte Foust On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 1:05 PM, Charlotte Foust wrote: > I didn't work much with 2007, but I've been using a 2010 accdb based on the > contacts template to handle an invitation list for a friend. I wanted to > print the Company name if it was Xyz Company and otherwise to print the > email address on a report listing the contacts. In VB.Net, that would have > been a no brainer. In Access, I could not find any way to change the > visibility of a control on the subreport in the events of the subreport > (parent report unbound), so I finally was forced to use the > CanGrow/CanShrink properties to print both fields when they existed! I > probably could have worked around it if I had wanted to struggle for hours > with it, but I didn't. I could have gone unbound if I could have found the > appropriate event to use to populate a label or some such, or I could have > juggled subreports I guess. It was just so darn limiting, that I didn't > bother. > > Charlotte Foust > > On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 11:39 AM, Brad Marks wrote: > >> Charlotte, >> >> We are VERY dependent on Access 2007 Reports. There has been some talk >> about migrating to Access 2010. I am curious to learn what you are >> seeing in the area of report problems. >> >> Is the Access 2010 Report generator much different than the Access 2007 >> Report generator? >> >> Thanks, >> Brad >> >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte >> Foust >> Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2011 1:26 PM >> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving >> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Known Bugs List in A2K7/10 >> >> I can state without question that I hate Access 2010 even more than >> 2007. >> Particularly the report generator! >> >> Charlotte Foust >> >> On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 10:45 AM, Arthur Fuller >> wrote: >> >> > Does anyone know of a known bug list for these two products? I am >> running >> > into some very strange issues, and if they are known bugs then I can >> stop >> > fighting them and just acknowledge that it's time to move on to a more >> > solid >> > platform. Weird screen behaviour, saved changes turn out not to be >> saved, >> > etc. Very frustrating. Maybe it's time for a c# course. >> > >> > A. >> > -- >> > AccessD mailing list >> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >> >> >> >> > >> > >> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> >> >> > >> > >> > >> -- >> AccessD mailing list >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >> >> >> >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> >> >> >> -- >> This message has been scanned for viruses and >> dangerous content by MailScanner, and is >> believed to be clean. >> >> >> -- >> AccessD mailing list >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >> >> >> >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> >> >> > From BradM at blackforestltd.com Tue Oct 18 16:26:39 2011 From: BradM at blackforestltd.com (Brad Marks) Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2011 16:26:39 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Known Bugs List in A2K7/10 References: <002f01cc8dc8$eecfe780$cc6fb680$@net> Message-ID: > Brad Marks or some other MSFT employee is tracking these issues on the > social.msdn website. Could there be two people named "Brad Marks" with connections to MS Access issues? I work for a small manufacturing firm. My background (in a prior job) is in "Big Iron" (IBM Mainframes) and I am a relative newcomer to the world of Access and other Microsoft products. Brad Marks PS. I don't believe in reincarnation, but I might have in a prior life :-) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~ -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Simms Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2011 2:06 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Known Bugs List in A2K7/10 Gang -the 2010 issue list is huge. Things like the CDate comparison are due to the changes made to VBA and the interpreter. Once they messed around with that, it opened up a whole can of worms. Indeed 2010 is like "Pandora's Box" for developers. Get this: User does an Undo on a bare form's record. They can easily add a new record right after that. But I cannot do the above in VBA !!! Took me 6 hours to determine how to work around it....and a Requery was necessary after each and every Undo so that a new record could be added. Tested and worked fine in 2007. Brad Marks or some other MSFT employee is tracking these issues on the social.msdn website. BUT, I seriously doubt you would get a chance to peak at the list. (you might faint !) -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. From tinanfields at torchlake.com Tue Oct 18 17:01:00 2011 From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields) Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2011 18:01:00 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] We only notice the significant observations In-Reply-To: <002101cc8903$3a4e9f00$aeebdd00$@mattysconsulting.com> References: <9879741544574AB0827B9658FA8ACD4B@HAL9007> <00b001cc8834$4de2fc20$e9a8f460$@mattysconsulting.com> <4E956F0E.3070704@colbyconsulting.com> <001101cc88e9$fab22c40$f01684c0$@mattysconsulting.com> <002101cc8903$3a4e9f00$aeebdd00$@mattysconsulting.com> Message-ID: <4E9DF71C.6050802@torchlake.com> This was amazing! Thanks T Tina Norris Fields tinanfields at torchlake.com 231-322-2787 On 10/12/2011 1:20 PM, Michael Mattys wrote: > Wonderful stuff. > > http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/evolution/darwin-never-knew.html > http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/evolution/are-we-still-evolving.html > > Michael R Mattys > Mattys Consulting, LLC > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Michael Mattys > Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2011 10:20 AM > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > Subject: Re: [AccessD] We only notice the significant observations > > I enjoyed that 1995 speech by Steve Jobs, Arthur. > "Stay hungry, stay foolish." > > I would love to learn the programming language of adding information to DNA. > http://www.evolutionofdna.com/Evolution-Of-DNA.html > > Michael R Mattys > Mattys Consulting, LLC > www.mattysconsulting.com > > From tinanfields at torchlake.com Tue Oct 18 17:01:58 2011 From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields) Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2011 18:01:58 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] We only notice the significant observations In-Reply-To: <002901cc8912$808c5980$81a50c80$@mattysconsulting.com> References: <9879741544574AB0827B9658FA8ACD4B@HAL9007> <00b001cc8834$4de2fc20$e9a8f460$@mattysconsulting.com> <4E956F0E.3070704@colbyconsulting.com> <001101cc88e9$fab22c40$f01684c0$@mattysconsulting.com> <002101cc8903$3a4e9f00$aeebdd00$@mattysconsulting.com><4E95D587.5070908@colbyconsulting.com> <002901cc8912$808c5980$81a50c80$@mattysconsulting.com> Message-ID: <4E9DF756.2010100@torchlake.com> I did! Tina Norris Fields tinanfields at torchlake.com 231-322-2787 On 10/12/2011 3:09 PM, Michael Mattys wrote: > I didn't get anything from there that I didn't know already. > > Michael R Mattys > Mattys Consulting, LLC > www.mattysconsulting.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby > Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2011 2:00 PM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] We only notice the significant observations > > Indeed. We find truth in the strangest places. > > John W. Colby > Colby Consulting > > Reality is what refuses to go away > when you do not believe in it > > On 10/12/2011 1:20 PM, Michael Mattys wrote: >> Wonderful stuff. >> >> http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/evolution/darwin-never-knew.html >> http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/evolution/are-we-still-evolving.html >> >> Michael R Mattys >> Mattys Consulting, LLC >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Michael Mattys >> Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2011 10:20 AM >> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' >> Subject: Re: [AccessD] We only notice the significant observations >> >> I enjoyed that 1995 speech by Steve Jobs, Arthur. >> "Stay hungry, stay foolish." >> >> I would love to learn the programming language of adding information to > DNA. >> http://www.evolutionofdna.com/Evolution-Of-DNA.html >> >> Michael R Mattys >> Mattys Consulting, LLC >> www.mattysconsulting.com >> >> From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au Tue Oct 18 17:28:41 2011 From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins) Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2011 22:28:41 +0000 Subject: [AccessD] Known Bugs List in A2K7/10 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55BBD9A@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com> "Allen Browne site has a list" (both 2007 and 2010) <> Cheers Darryl. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of David McAfee Sent: Wednesday, 19 October 2011 5:28 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Known Bugs List in A2K7/10 Allen Browne site has a list (Sorry I don't have the link at the moment) I think A2010 SP1 (or was it Win7 Sp1, or both) had some weird issues. I have had some things that have been working for years suddenly break. I have also had some weird things happen that I haven't pin pointed yet, such as: A form launching a report in preview mode Pressing Print, prints the form behind the report, not the report itself. I thought the user was doing something wrong, but it has happened again to another user. I though the from / report were corrupt, so I wiped the FE from their computer and reinstalled it. Same issue. Reboot the box. Same issue. Came back to my desk to check a few things and go back and it was working again. weird. I've had other issues where I had to put CDATE() around a date field when comparing something such as: If Me.txtIncentiveStartDate = CDate(Me.lstHist.Column(3)) Then I had to change it to : If CDate(Me.txtIncentiveStartDate) = CDate(Me.lstHist.Column(3)) Then I've also had another issue where I had to change code that has worked for several years: If (SysCmd(acSysCmdAccessVer) = 14) Then Me.RecordSource = "EXEC dbo.stpItemDetHist " & Me.InputParameters Else Me.RecordSourceQualifier = "dbo" Me.RecordSource = "stpItemDetHist" End If On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 10:45 AM, Arthur Fuller wrote: > Does anyone know of a known bug list for these two products? I am running > into some very strange issues, and if they are known bugs then I can stop > fighting them and just acknowledge that it's time to move on to a more > solid > platform. Weird screen behaviour, saved changes turn out not to be saved, > etc. Very frustrating. Maybe it's time for a c# course. > > A. > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au Tue Oct 18 17:34:05 2011 From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins) Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2011 22:34:05 +0000 Subject: [AccessD] Known Bugs List in A2K7/10 In-Reply-To: <007401cc8dcf$27f84330$77e8c990$@net> References: <002f01cc8dc8$eecfe780$cc6fb680$@net> <007401cc8dcf$27f84330$77e8c990$@net> Message-ID: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55BBDAB@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com> I am with Doug, I prefer A2010 to A2007 which I find painful beast to use most of the time. in-elegant and clunky is how I best describe it - and freaking weird. It does some strange things from time to time. That said I haven't used split forms yet so who knows, I am sure there are monsters lurking out there on the edge of darkness. I do use 100% native accdb formats though. XL2010 on the other hand is rather nice to use. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Simms Sent: Wednesday, 19 October 2011 6:50 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Known Bugs List in A2K7/10 Yeah, Doug, but you're probably not using any ACCDB 2007/2010 features like splitforms, etc. > Funnily enough, I've had virtually no problems running A2003 databases > in > A2010. Unlike A2007, which was a nightmare, especially for the first > year > or so. > > Doug > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From michael at mattysconsulting.com Tue Oct 18 17:57:51 2011 From: michael at mattysconsulting.com (Michael Mattys) Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2011 18:57:51 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] We only notice the significant observations In-Reply-To: <4E9DF756.2010100@torchlake.com> References: <9879741544574AB0827B9658FA8ACD4B@HAL9007> <00b001cc8834$4de2fc20$e9a8f460$@mattysconsulting.com> <4E956F0E.3070704@colbyconsulting.com> <001101cc88e9$fab22c40$f01684c0$@mattysconsulting.com> <002101cc8903$3a4e9f00$aeebdd00$@mattysconsulting.com><4E95D587.5070908@colbyconsulting.com> <002901cc8912$808c5980$81a50c80$@mattysconsulting.com> <4E9DF756.2010100@torchlake.com> Message-ID: <000001cc8de9$5dcc2ca0$196485e0$@mattysconsulting.com> I'm glad you enjoyed it. It reminded me of one of my favorite shows, Star Trek. We watch all of the series for Enterprise, Voyager, DS9, Next Gen, and, of course, the Classic 60's version on NetFlix. I can't wait til they figure out what life actually is so that the transporter will work! Michael R Mattys Mattys Consulting, LLC www.mattysconsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina Norris Fields Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2011 6:02 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] We only notice the significant observations I did! Tina Norris Fields tinanfields at torchlake.com 231-322-2787 On 10/12/2011 3:09 PM, Michael Mattys wrote: > I didn't get anything from there that I didn't know already. > > Michael R Mattys > Mattys Consulting, LLC > www.mattysconsulting.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby > Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2011 2:00 PM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] We only notice the significant observations > > Indeed. We find truth in the strangest places. > > John W. Colby > Colby Consulting > > Reality is what refuses to go away > when you do not believe in it > > On 10/12/2011 1:20 PM, Michael Mattys wrote: >> Wonderful stuff. >> >> http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/evolution/darwin-never-knew.html >> http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/evolution/are-we-still-evolving.html >> >> Michael R Mattys >> Mattys Consulting, LLC >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Michael Mattys >> Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2011 10:20 AM >> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' >> Subject: Re: [AccessD] We only notice the significant observations >> >> I enjoyed that 1995 speech by Steve Jobs, Arthur. >> "Stay hungry, stay foolish." >> >> I would love to learn the programming language of adding information to > DNA. >> http://www.evolutionofdna.com/Evolution-Of-DNA.html >> >> Michael R Mattys >> Mattys Consulting, LLC >> www.mattysconsulting.com >> >> -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From marksimms at verizon.net Tue Oct 18 18:08:14 2011 From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms) Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2011 19:08:14 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Known Bugs List in A2K7/10 In-Reply-To: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55BBDAB@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com> References: <002f01cc8dc8$eecfe780$cc6fb680$@net> <007401cc8dcf$27f84330$77e8c990$@net> <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55BBDAB@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com> Message-ID: <00b301cc8dea$d0d586a0$728093e0$@net> No way. 2010 is way more pain than 2007. That being said, AC 2007 could easily be blown-up by simply moving form controls on a multipage control. The sheer number of complaints about 2010 on the social.msdn website forum for Access is pretty much the proof in the pudding so-to-speak. > I am with Doug, I prefer A2010 to A2007 which I find painful beast to > use most of the time. in-elegant and clunky is how I best describe it - > and freaking weird. It does some strange things from time to time. From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au Tue Oct 18 18:51:17 2011 From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins) Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2011 23:51:17 +0000 Subject: [AccessD] Known Bugs List in A2K7/10 In-Reply-To: <00b301cc8dea$d0d586a0$728093e0$@net> References: <002f01cc8dc8$eecfe780$cc6fb680$@net> <007401cc8dcf$27f84330$77e8c990$@net> <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55BBDAB@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com> <00b301cc8dea$d0d586a0$728093e0$@net> Message-ID: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55BBEF3@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com> Thanks Mark, Looks like am in for some future 'fun'. Right now I use A2007 80% of the time vs A2010 for the other 20%. Perhaps my current experience and feelings are based on this ratio rather than the actual issues in each individual product. I do find A2010 more finished and smooth to use, but that maybe because I don't push it around too much right now. Let just say I respect your (and everyone on this list) opinions and happy to listen to the (usually excellent) advice you all give on these matters. Cheers Darry. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Simms Sent: Wednesday, 19 October 2011 10:08 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Known Bugs List in A2K7/10 No way. 2010 is way more pain than 2007. That being said, AC 2007 could easily be blown-up by simply moving form controls on a multipage control. The sheer number of complaints about 2010 on the social.msdn website forum for Access is pretty much the proof in the pudding so-to-speak. > I am with Doug, I prefer A2010 to A2007 which I find painful beast to > use most of the time. in-elegant and clunky is how I best describe it - > and freaking weird. It does some strange things from time to time. -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Gustav at cactus.dk Wed Oct 19 03:14:40 2011 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2011 10:14:40 +0200 Subject: [AccessD] Known Bugs List in A2K7/10 Message-ID: Hi Mark and Darry and ... Oh my, what a frightening thread. You guys and Charlotte really scare one from ever touching development in Access 2007 or 2010. I never moved beyond 2003 ... then took a sharp right (pun and pun intended!) turn to .Net, C#, and Visual Studio. /gustav >>> darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au 19-10-2011 01:51 >>> Thanks Mark, Looks like am in for some future 'fun'. Right now I use A2007 80% of the time vs A2010 for the other 20%. Perhaps my current experience and feelings are based on this ratio rather than the actual issues in each individual product. I do find A2010 more finished and smooth to use, but that maybe because I don't push it around too much right now. Let just say I respect your (and everyone on this list) opinions and happy to listen to the (usually excellent) advice you all give on these matters. Cheers Darry. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Simms Sent: Wednesday, 19 October 2011 10:08 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Known Bugs List in A2K7/10 No way. 2010 is way more pain than 2007. That being said, AC 2007 could easily be blown-up by simply moving form controls on a multipage control. The sheer number of complaints about 2010 on the social.msdn website forum for Access is pretty much the proof in the pudding so-to-speak. > I am with Doug, I prefer A2010 to A2007 which I find painful beast to > use most of the time. in-elegant and clunky is how I best describe it - > and freaking weird. It does some strange things from time to time. From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Wed Oct 19 03:28:35 2011 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2011 18:28:35 +1000 Subject: [AccessD] Known Bugs List in A2K7/10 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4E9E8A33.5135.61C4375@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> I'm still developing primarily in 2003 and deploying the .mdbs on 07/10 installations. Generally it works seamlessly. -- Stuart On 19 Oct 2011 at 10:14, Gustav Brock wrote: > Hi Mark and Darry and ... > > Oh my, what a frightening thread. You guys and Charlotte really scare > one from ever touching development in Access 2007 or 2010. I never > moved beyond 2003 ... then took a sharp right (pun and pun intended!) > turn to .Net, C#, and Visual Studio. > > /gustav > > > >>> darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au 19-10-2011 01:51 >>> > Thanks Mark, > > Looks like am in for some future 'fun'. Right now I use A2007 80% of > the time vs A2010 for the other 20%. Perhaps my current experience > and feelings are based on this ratio rather than the actual issues in > each individual product. > > I do find A2010 more finished and smooth to use, but that maybe > because I don't push it around too much right now. > > Let just say I respect your (and everyone on this list) opinions and > happy to listen to the (usually excellent) advice you all give on > these matters. > > Cheers > Darry. > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Simms > Sent: Wednesday, 19 October 2011 10:08 AM To: 'Access Developers > discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Known Bugs List > in A2K7/10 > > No way. 2010 is way more pain than 2007. That being said, AC 2007 > could easily be blown-up by simply moving form controls on a multipage > control. The sheer number of complaints about 2010 on the social.msdn > website forum for Access is pretty much the proof in the pudding > so-to-speak. > > > I am with Doug, I prefer A2010 to A2007 which I find painful beast > > to use most of the time. in-elegant and clunky is how I best > > describe it - and freaking weird. It does some strange things from > > time to time. > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From marksimms at verizon.net Wed Oct 19 09:01:28 2011 From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms) Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2011 10:01:28 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Known Bugs List in A2K7/10 In-Reply-To: <4E9E8A33.5135.61C4375@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: <4E9E8A33.5135.61C4375@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <006d01cc8e67$994826c0$cbd87440$@net> If you are just porting an old AC2003 app, then it's OK. I'm referring to NEW DEVELOPMENT in 2010 using NEW FEATURES and/or trying tricky stuff. My "big problem" is that I've been mesmerized by the "feng shui" and new graphics of AC2007/2010. The ability to use efficient PNG files is very nice. In fact, I really shudder now when I see an older 2003 app....kinda "fuggly". To wit: I turned down a consulting gig when the IT department would not even spend 1 day testing the AC2007 runtime in a Citrix server environment. They said "you're stuck with 2003". I said "good bye". Just another "run-in" with the IT department. Having to deal with IT from the outside is very, very frustrating stuff. From dbdoug at gmail.com Wed Oct 19 09:26:43 2011 From: dbdoug at gmail.com (Doug Steele) Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2011 07:26:43 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Known Bugs List in A2K7/10 In-Reply-To: <006d01cc8e67$994826c0$cbd87440$@net> References: <4E9E8A33.5135.61C4375@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <006d01cc8e67$994826c0$cbd87440$@net> Message-ID: I didn't realize that A2010 has feng shui! Now, finally, Microsoft appears to be ahead of the curve. If I'd known that, I would have paid a lot more attention :) Doug On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 7:01 AM, Mark Simms wrote: > If you are just porting an old AC2003 app, then it's OK. > I'm referring to NEW DEVELOPMENT in 2010 using NEW FEATURES and/or trying > tricky stuff. > My "big problem" is that I've been mesmerized by the "feng shui" and new > graphics of AC2007/2010. > The ability to use efficient PNG files is very nice. > > In fact, I really shudder now when I see an older 2003 app....kinda > "fuggly". > To wit: I turned down a consulting gig when the IT department would not > even > spend 1 day testing the AC2007 runtime in a Citrix server environment. They > said "you're stuck with 2003". I said "good bye". Just another "run-in" > with > the IT department. Having to deal with IT from the outside is very, very > frustrating stuff. > > > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From guss at beechnutconsulting.com Wed Oct 19 10:25:20 2011 From: guss at beechnutconsulting.com (Guss Ginsburg) Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2011 10:25:20 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Data Collection via Email in Access 2007/10 Message-ID: <003301cc8e73$5158a950$f409fbf0$@beechnutconsulting.com> I am trying to implement a button on a form (for a call center application) so that when a case# is opened, you can click on the button and have it generate an HTML email form to the person being assigned the case, who may reply to the message with updates to specific fields on the form. When the user replies to the message it should update the specific record(s) upon hitting the designated folder in Outlook. I have been able to get this process to work once in a while when I use the External Data -> Data Collection feature on the ribbon. Lately, I have been getting messages that either the email addresses are null or invalid, or that there is no data for the records specified. Unfortunately, I did not think to capture the xml file upon one of the successful tries using the wizard. I have printed out a couple of versions of the AccessDCActionFile.xml, and perhaps I need help on what the xml file must look like in order to work as advertised. Once I get that down, I should be able to code the command button to generate xml that works. I am attaching the xml file, which I have reformatted to make it more readable. The attached file does not work. I am using Access 2010. I have set up a query based on the recordset that selects the records and fields that may be included on the html form, then walk through the wizard to generate the email form. I do not actually see the email form that was generated (unless I select the recipients from my Outlook contacts folder). I have a suspicion that the problem may be something in the xml being generated, but don't know what it should look like exactly. Any ideas? Thank you very much. Sincerely yours, Guss Ginsburg Beechnut Consulting Services 5247 Beechnut Street Houston, TX 77096 Ph: 713-667-8216 Cell: 713-553-6298 www.beechnutconsulting.com From marksimms at verizon.net Wed Oct 19 12:10:35 2011 From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms) Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2011 13:10:35 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Known Bugs List in A2K7/10 In-Reply-To: References: <4E9E8A33.5135.61C4375@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <006d01cc8e67$994826c0$cbd87440$@net> Message-ID: <008001cc8e82$04f3a1f0$0edae5d0$@net> Hah, hah...very funny Doug ! From vbacreations at gmail.com Wed Oct 19 20:46:48 2011 From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson (VBACreations.Com)) Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2011 21:46:48 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Known Bugs List in A2K7/10 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000801cc8eca$225908a0$670b19e0$@gmail.com> >> .Net, C#, and Visual Studio. I wish I had the intelligence to pick up something new... don't... -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2011 4:15 AM To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [AccessD] Known Bugs List in A2K7/10 Hi Mark and Darry and ... Oh my, what a frightening thread. You guys and Charlotte really scare one from ever touching development in Access 2007 or 2010. I never moved beyond 2003 ... then took a sharp right (pun and pun intended!) turn to .Net, C#, and Visual Studio. /gustav >>> darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au 19-10-2011 01:51 >>> Thanks Mark, Looks like am in for some future 'fun'. Right now I use A2007 80% of the time vs A2010 for the other 20%. Perhaps my current experience and feelings are based on this ratio rather than the actual issues in each individual product. I do find A2010 more finished and smooth to use, but that maybe because I don't push it around too much right now. Let just say I respect your (and everyone on this list) opinions and happy to listen to the (usually excellent) advice you all give on these matters. Cheers Darry. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Simms Sent: Wednesday, 19 October 2011 10:08 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Known Bugs List in A2K7/10 No way. 2010 is way more pain than 2007. That being said, AC 2007 could easily be blown-up by simply moving form controls on a multipage control. The sheer number of complaints about 2010 on the social.msdn website forum for Access is pretty much the proof in the pudding so-to-speak. > I am with Doug, I prefer A2010 to A2007 which I find painful beast to > use most of the time. in-elegant and clunky is how I best describe it - > and freaking weird. It does some strange things from time to time. -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From vbacreations at gmail.com Wed Oct 19 20:50:39 2011 From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson (VBACreations.Com)) Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2011 21:50:39 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Known Bugs List in A2K7/10 In-Reply-To: <4E9E8A33.5135.61C4375@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: <4E9E8A33.5135.61C4375@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <000901cc8eca$ac281df0$047859d0$@gmail.com> I think this is fine *IF* 2010 is not going to flake out on your users after deployment when you're all confident in your software cuz it worked fine in development... I develop (the limited bit I do) in 2010 so that if it doesn't work for me, I won't expect it to work for them. If something is supposed to work, I don't see the benefit of gaining false assurance just because it does in 2003. And I have definitely seen code I wrote in 2003 not work in 2010, I just can't remember what just now. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2011 4:29 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Known Bugs List in A2K7/10 I'm still developing primarily in 2003 and deploying the .mdbs on 07/10 installations. Generally it works seamlessly. -- Stuart On 19 Oct 2011 at 10:14, Gustav Brock wrote: > Hi Mark and Darry and ... > > Oh my, what a frightening thread. You guys and Charlotte really scare > one from ever touching development in Access 2007 or 2010. I never > moved beyond 2003 ... then took a sharp right (pun and pun intended!) > turn to .Net, C#, and Visual Studio. > > /gustav > > > >>> darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au 19-10-2011 01:51 >>> > Thanks Mark, > > Looks like am in for some future 'fun'. Right now I use A2007 80% of > the time vs A2010 for the other 20%. Perhaps my current experience > and feelings are based on this ratio rather than the actual issues in > each individual product. > > I do find A2010 more finished and smooth to use, but that maybe > because I don't push it around too much right now. > > Let just say I respect your (and everyone on this list) opinions and > happy to listen to the (usually excellent) advice you all give on > these matters. > > Cheers > Darry. > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Simms > Sent: Wednesday, 19 October 2011 10:08 AM To: 'Access Developers > discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Known Bugs List > in A2K7/10 > > No way. 2010 is way more pain than 2007. That being said, AC 2007 > could easily be blown-up by simply moving form controls on a multipage > control. The sheer number of complaints about 2010 on the social.msdn > website forum for Access is pretty much the proof in the pudding > so-to-speak. > > > I am with Doug, I prefer A2010 to A2007 which I find painful beast > > to use most of the time. in-elegant and clunky is how I best > > describe it - and freaking weird. It does some strange things from > > time to time. > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au Wed Oct 19 21:13:05 2011 From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins) Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2011 02:13:05 +0000 Subject: [AccessD] Known Bugs List in A2K7/10 In-Reply-To: <000901cc8eca$ac281df0$047859d0$@gmail.com> References: <4E9E8A33.5135.61C4375@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <000901cc8eca$ac281df0$047859d0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55BC2C9@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com> I agree it is risky to assume it will work. I have numerous instances where code fails in both Access and XL between 2003 and 2007+. Sometimes it is understandable and even documented (ie code / features / syntax has been changed or removed - filesearch is a good example of this). But other times it is just plain weird and makes NO sense at all. Such are having to move Activeworkbook.ResetColors to further down the code to prevent data corruption & crashing in XL2007 - something which had worked flawlessly for years in XL2003. That was really odd. The risk for me is my clients run a whole mixed bag of OS's and Office version. Guess I am lucky there are no Macs out there I need to deal with so far. Cheers d -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Benson (VBACreations.Com) Sent: Thursday, 20 October 2011 12:51 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Known Bugs List in A2K7/10 I think this is fine *IF* 2010 is not going to flake out on your users after deployment when you're all confident in your software cuz it worked fine in development... I develop (the limited bit I do) in 2010 so that if it doesn't work for me, I won't expect it to work for them. If something is supposed to work, I don't see the benefit of gaining false assurance just because it does in 2003. And I have definitely seen code I wrote in 2003 not work in 2010, I just can't remember what just now. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2011 4:29 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Known Bugs List in A2K7/10 I'm still developing primarily in 2003 and deploying the .mdbs on 07/10 installations. Generally it works seamlessly. -- Stuart On 19 Oct 2011 at 10:14, Gustav Brock wrote: > Hi Mark and Darry and ... > > Oh my, what a frightening thread. You guys and Charlotte really scare > one from ever touching development in Access 2007 or 2010. I never > moved beyond 2003 ... then took a sharp right (pun and pun intended!) > turn to .Net, C#, and Visual Studio. > > /gustav > > > >>> darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au 19-10-2011 01:51 >>> > Thanks Mark, > > Looks like am in for some future 'fun'. Right now I use A2007 80% of > the time vs A2010 for the other 20%. Perhaps my current experience > and feelings are based on this ratio rather than the actual issues in > each individual product. > > I do find A2010 more finished and smooth to use, but that maybe > because I don't push it around too much right now. > > Let just say I respect your (and everyone on this list) opinions and > happy to listen to the (usually excellent) advice you all give on > these matters. > > Cheers > Darry. > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Simms > Sent: Wednesday, 19 October 2011 10:08 AM To: 'Access Developers > discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Known Bugs List > in A2K7/10 > > No way. 2010 is way more pain than 2007. That being said, AC 2007 > could easily be blown-up by simply moving form controls on a multipage > control. The sheer number of complaints about 2010 on the social.msdn > website forum for Access is pretty much the proof in the pudding > so-to-speak. > > > I am with Doug, I prefer A2010 to A2007 which I find painful beast > > to use most of the time. in-elegant and clunky is how I best > > describe it - and freaking weird. It does some strange things from > > time to time. > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Gustav at cactus.dk Thu Oct 20 03:06:13 2011 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2011 10:06:13 +0200 Subject: [AccessD] Known Bugs List in A2K7/10 Message-ID: Hi William Don't say that. As a matter of fact with knowledge like yours, getting started with Visual Studio is more a question about available time and patience to pass the first steps of the learning curve - then it is forward (no ending point). /gustav >>> vbacreations at gmail.com 20-10-2011 03:46 >>> >> .Net, C#, and Visual Studio. I wish I had the intelligence to pick up something new... don't... -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2011 4:15 AM To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [AccessD] Known Bugs List in A2K7/10 Hi Mark and Darry and ... Oh my, what a frightening thread. You guys and Charlotte really scare one from ever touching development in Access 2007 or 2010. I never moved beyond 2003 ... then took a sharp right (pun and pun intended!) turn to .Net, C#, and Visual Studio. /gustav From tinanfields at torchlake.com Thu Oct 20 07:50:08 2011 From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields) Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2011 08:50:08 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Known Bugs List in A2K7/10 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4EA01900.9020409@torchlake.com> Gustav, I'm so glad you spoke up about that. We who already know how to learn are better prepared than many of our younger colleagues to take on another programming language. T Tina Norris Fields tinanfields at torchlake.com 231-322-2787 On 10/20/2011 4:06 AM, Gustav Brock wrote: > Hi William > > Don't say that. As a matter of fact with knowledge like yours, getting started with Visual Studio is more a question about available time and patience to pass the first steps of the learning curve - then it is forward (no ending point). > > /gustav > > >>>> vbacreations at gmail.com 20-10-2011 03:46>>> >>> .Net, C#, and Visual Studio. > I wish I had the intelligence to pick up something new... don't... > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock > Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2011 4:15 AM > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Known Bugs List in A2K7/10 > > Hi Mark and Darry and ... > > Oh my, what a frightening thread. You guys and Charlotte really scare one > from ever touching development in Access 2007 or 2010. > I never moved beyond 2003 ... then took a sharp right (pun and pun > intended!) turn to .Net, C#, and Visual Studio. > > /gustav > > From marksimms at verizon.net Thu Oct 20 08:50:00 2011 From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms) Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2011 09:50:00 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Known Bugs List in A2K7/10 In-Reply-To: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55BC2C9@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com> References: <4E9E8A33.5135.61C4375@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <000901cc8eca$ac281df0$047859d0$@gmail.com> <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55BC2C9@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com> Message-ID: <000001cc8f2f$29c987d0$7d5c9770$@net> I just want to let you know that the current demise of Access is totally MSFT's own fault: Poor beta testing of new releases. Business users just don't tolerate buggy software. PERIOD. It's unproductive and wasteful. I begged to be on the AC2010 beta test list....and the then product manager rejected my application. I don't think they even have an Access product manager now. From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au Thu Oct 20 17:44:51 2011 From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins) Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2011 22:44:51 +0000 Subject: [AccessD] Known Bugs List in A2K7/10 In-Reply-To: <000001cc8f2f$29c987d0$7d5c9770$@net> References: <4E9E8A33.5135.61C4375@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <000901cc8eca$ac281df0$047859d0$@gmail.com> <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55BC2C9@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com> <000001cc8f2f$29c987d0$7d5c9770$@net> Message-ID: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55BC4B5@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com> Not to mention risky as hell. No-one was to risk their data getting lost, corrupted or destroyed. Especially when the user has done nothing stupid or wrong, but the software itself is causing the issues. Access was already treated with some suspicion by the corporate IT world. I doubt it's standing has improved much with the new releases. IMHO they have tried to turn it into some kind of spreadsheet in a hope that XL users will pick it up for the extra grunt that Access offers. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Simms Sent: Friday, 21 October 2011 12:50 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Known Bugs List in A2K7/10 I just want to let you know that the current demise of Access is totally MSFT's own fault: Poor beta testing of new releases. Business users just don't tolerate buggy software. PERIOD. It's unproductive and wasteful. I begged to be on the AC2010 beta test list....and the then product manager rejected my application. I don't think they even have an Access product manager now. -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From davidmcafee at gmail.com Thu Oct 20 17:56:16 2011 From: davidmcafee at gmail.com (David McAfee) Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2011 15:56:16 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Known Bugs List in A2K7/10 In-Reply-To: <000901cc8eca$ac281df0$047859d0$@gmail.com> References: <4E9E8A33.5135.61C4375@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <000901cc8eca$ac281df0$047859d0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: This is what happened to me with my VBA rowsource example that I posted. The code had worked for years, even on 2010, then SP1 was released and it broke. Luckily it was a local user and a very quick fix for me to figure out. D On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 6:50 PM, William Benson (VBACreations.Com) < vbacreations at gmail.com> wrote: > I think this is fine *IF* 2010 is not going to flake out on your users > after > deployment when you're all confident in your software cuz it worked fine in > development... I develop (the limited bit I do) in 2010 so that if it > doesn't work for me, I won't expect it to work for them. If something is > supposed to work, I don't see the benefit of gaining false assurance just > because it does in 2003. And I have definitely seen code I wrote in 2003 > not > work in 2010, I just can't remember what just now. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart > McLachlan > Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2011 4:29 AM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Known Bugs List in A2K7/10 > > I'm still developing primarily in 2003 and deploying the .mdbs on 07/10 > installations. > Generally it works seamlessly. > > -- > Stuart > > On 19 Oct 2011 at 10:14, Gustav Brock wrote: > > > Hi Mark and Darry and ... > > > > Oh my, what a frightening thread. You guys and Charlotte really scare > > one from ever touching development in Access 2007 or 2010. I never > > moved beyond 2003 ... then took a sharp right (pun and pun intended!) > > turn to .Net, C#, and Visual Studio. > > > > /gustav > > > > > > >>> darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au 19-10-2011 01:51 >>> > > Thanks Mark, > > > > Looks like am in for some future 'fun'. Right now I use A2007 80% of > > the time vs A2010 for the other 20%. Perhaps my current experience > > and feelings are based on this ratio rather than the actual issues in > > each individual product. > > > > I do find A2010 more finished and smooth to use, but that maybe > > because I don't push it around too much right now. > > > > Let just say I respect your (and everyone on this list) opinions and > > happy to listen to the (usually excellent) advice you all give on > > these matters. > > > > Cheers > > Darry. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Simms > > Sent: Wednesday, 19 October 2011 10:08 AM To: 'Access Developers > > discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Known Bugs List > > in A2K7/10 > > > > No way. 2010 is way more pain than 2007. That being said, AC 2007 > > could easily be blown-up by simply moving form controls on a multipage > > control. The sheer number of complaints about 2010 on the social.msdn > > website forum for Access is pretty much the proof in the pudding > > so-to-speak. > > > > > I am with Doug, I prefer A2010 to A2007 which I find painful beast > > > to use most of the time. in-elegant and clunky is how I best > > > describe it - and freaking weird. It does some strange things from > > > time to time. > > > > > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From marksimms at verizon.net Thu Oct 20 21:31:27 2011 From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms) Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2011 22:31:27 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Known Bugs List in A2K7/10 In-Reply-To: References: <4E9E8A33.5135.61C4375@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <000901cc8eca$ac281df0$047859d0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <004a01cc8f99$8944af90$9bce0eb0$@net> I've been hitting dozens of these 2010 glitches. The good news is: a "hot" fix is imminent. The bad news is: no one knows exactly what it's going to "fix". > This is what happened to me with my VBA rowsource example that I > posted. > The code had worked for years, even on 2010, then SP1 was released and > it > broke. > Luckily it was a local user and a very quick fix for me to figure out. From michael at mattysconsulting.com Sat Oct 22 11:35:40 2011 From: michael at mattysconsulting.com (Michael Mattys) Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2011 12:35:40 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Memory: The Final Frontier Message-ID: <003101cc90d8$a3ff3950$ebfdabf0$@mattysconsulting.com> It isn't Friday OT anymore, but let's call this forthcoming database technology ... http://www.viewzone.com/memorytest1.html Two things needed to even begin understanding brain, memory, and, finally, the human mind: 1) Mechanical retrieval and storage of memory from (cells of) a living, conscious human 2) Mechanical retrieval and storage of memory from a (recently) deceased human Michael R Mattys Mattys Consulting, LLC www.mattysconsulting.com From vbacreations at gmail.com Sat Oct 22 12:23:45 2011 From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson) Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2011 13:23:45 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Memory: The Final Frontier In-Reply-To: <003101cc90d8$a3ff3950$ebfdabf0$@mattysconsulting.com> References: <003101cc90d8$a3ff3950$ebfdabf0$@mattysconsulting.com> Message-ID: Transfer of memory maybe applies not only to living organ transplants but food we eat. The animals raised very inhumanely may indirectly be cause for a lot of suffering in our own lives. I am not a herbivore but after seeing Food Inc. I do feel that the rise of so much need for health care coincides with the mass production of meats. I have begun insisting our household only buy naturally raised animal products. I had not thought about it being some kind of cellular information transfer but this article has me thinking now even more along those lines. What a study that would make, a group of people who ate real "happy meals" .... products from animals raised and slauggtered humanely versus another group who ate the false "Happy Meals?". See which group suffered more from depression over the course of a year. On Oct 22, 2011 12:37 PM, "Michael Mattys" wrote: > It isn't Friday OT anymore, but let's call this forthcoming database > technology ... > > http://www.viewzone.com/memorytest1.html > > Two things needed to even begin understanding brain, memory, and, finally, > the human mind: > > 1) Mechanical retrieval and storage of memory from (cells of) a living, > conscious human > 2) Mechanical retrieval and storage of memory from a (recently) deceased > human > > Michael R Mattys > Mattys Consulting, LLC > www.mattysconsulting.com > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From michael at mattysconsulting.com Sat Oct 22 13:14:14 2011 From: michael at mattysconsulting.com (Michael Mattys) Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2011 14:14:14 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Memory: The Final Frontier In-Reply-To: References: <003101cc90d8$a3ff3950$ebfdabf0$@mattysconsulting.com> Message-ID: <003201cc90e6$69011c20$3b035460$@mattysconsulting.com> I was actually speaking toward the possibility of a far more 'personal' personal computer, that is, 'on-board' processing for memory-database access. Very interesting point of view, though, William. Michael R Mattys Mattys Consulting, LLC www.mattysconsulting.com P.S. Of course, memory would have to affect some chemical change of the animal prior to death and after death, as well as before, during, and after meal preparation. I know I hate the 'gamey' taste of adrenalin at all of those times. Perhaps there could also be a way devised to test animal memory to determine their treatment. A movie about dolphins comes to mind. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Benson Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2011 1:24 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Memory: The Final Frontier Transfer of memory maybe applies not only to living organ transplants but food we eat. The animals raised very inhumanely may indirectly be cause for a lot of suffering in our own lives. I am not a herbivore but after seeing Food Inc. I do feel that the rise of so much need for health care coincides with the mass production of meats. I have begun insisting our household only buy naturally raised animal products. I had not thought about it being some kind of cellular information transfer but this article has me thinking now even more along those lines. What a study that would make, a group of people who ate real "happy meals" .... products from animals raised and slauggtered humanely versus another group who ate the false "Happy MealsT". See which group suffered more from depression over the course of a year. On Oct 22, 2011 12:37 PM, "Michael Mattys" wrote: > It isn't Friday OT anymore, but let's call this forthcoming database > technology ... > > http://www.viewzone.com/memorytest1.html > > Two things needed to even begin understanding brain, memory, and, > finally, the human mind: > > 1) Mechanical retrieval and storage of memory from (cells of) a > living, conscious human > 2) Mechanical retrieval and storage of memory from a (recently) > deceased human > > Michael R Mattys > Mattys Consulting, LLC > www.mattysconsulting.com > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From vbacreations at gmail.com Sat Oct 22 13:37:12 2011 From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson) Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2011 14:37:12 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Memory: The Final Frontier In-Reply-To: <003201cc90e6$69011c20$3b035460$@mattysconsulting.com> References: <003101cc90d8$a3ff3950$ebfdabf0$@mattysconsulting.com> <003201cc90e6$69011c20$3b035460$@mattysconsulting.com> Message-ID: Sorry for co-opting your topic. Actually i am personally intersted in it because my own short term memory has been decaying. I have been looking for answrs as to why. I feel my personality has been changing too. Largely that i am more readily influenced by very new info rather than more established info. The symptoms are easily explained: older data is missing. And since I have not received any transplants lately I am thinking along the lines of toxins, or technological interference or food supply. As for your PS... no I think you may have missed my point. I was thinking in terms of LONG TERM storage of memories of pain/discomfort, neglect, fear,abuse, disease, and general anxiety that comes from not living life in a way compatible with the animals nature. I don't think the final stretch (slaughter and final thoughts) are recorded in the meat (of course it could be )... but if the premises in the article are valid and extrapolatable then the long term effects of the living conditions and being fed things contrary to the animals proper biological diet... things which "fatten" and make them grow their food yielding parts at the expense of proper function as nature intended could very well be something that changes us upon ingestion. Anyway I am no expert, but this article does make me think it is not all simple binary, but energy field driven. After all much thought has emotional components as well as facts. If poorly treated food supply is driving some of our own negativity then we benefit by being more humane. This would not be a hard test and I am going to recommend it to PETA or some organic farmers. Maybe it has already been done. For sure the big agribusiness and FDA would try to shut down the research. On Oct 22, 2011 2:15 PM, "Michael Mattys" wrote: > I was actually speaking toward the possibility of a far more 'personal' > personal computer, > that is, 'on-board' processing for memory-database access. > Very interesting point of view, though, William. > > Michael R Mattys > Mattys Consulting, LLC > www.mattysconsulting.com > > P.S. > > Of course, memory would have to affect some chemical change of the animal > prior to death > and after death, as well as before, during, and after meal preparation. I > know I hate the 'gamey' > taste of adrenalin at all of those times. > > Perhaps there could also be a way devised to test animal memory to > determine > their treatment. > A movie about dolphins comes to mind. > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Benson > Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2011 1:24 PM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Memory: The Final Frontier > > Transfer of memory maybe applies not only to living organ transplants but > food we eat. The animals raised very inhumanely may indirectly be cause for > a lot of suffering in our own lives. I am not a herbivore but after seeing > Food Inc. I do feel that the rise of so much need for health care > coincides > with the mass production of meats. I have begun insisting our household > only > buy naturally raised animal products. I had not thought about it being some > kind of cellular information transfer but this article has me thinking now > even more along those lines. > > What a study that would make, a group of people who ate real "happy meals" > .... products from animals raised and slauggtered humanely versus another > group who ate the false "Happy MealsT". See which group suffered more from > depression over the course of a year. > On Oct 22, 2011 12:37 PM, "Michael Mattys" > wrote: > > > It isn't Friday OT anymore, but let's call this forthcoming database > > technology ... > > > > http://www.viewzone.com/memorytest1.html > > > > Two things needed to even begin understanding brain, memory, and, > > finally, the human mind: > > > > 1) Mechanical retrieval and storage of memory from (cells of) a > > living, conscious human > > 2) Mechanical retrieval and storage of memory from a (recently) > > deceased human > > > > Michael R Mattys > > Mattys Consulting, LLC > > www.mattysconsulting.com > > > > > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Sat Oct 22 13:45:36 2011 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2011 14:45:36 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] It does my heart good Message-ID: <4EA30F50.8020903@colbyconsulting.com> What a hoot! have we ALL experienced this? http://techcrunch.com/2008/06/25/gates-sends-angry-e-mail-sounds-just-like-a-customer/ -- John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it From vbacreations at gmail.com Sat Oct 22 13:58:16 2011 From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson) Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2011 14:58:16 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] It does my heart good In-Reply-To: <4EA30F50.8020903@colbyconsulting.com> References: <4EA30F50.8020903@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: And he has a memory capable of knowing what he did and what the result was. I have lost that kind of recall and when I go thru stuff like that I just lose the day and don't really have a good accounting of why! B. Gates is a really smart man. Lucky to have so much together in life. I probably missed your pint john. :) On Oct 22, 2011 2:46 PM, "jwcolby" wrote: > What a hoot! have we ALL experienced this? > > http://techcrunch.com/2008/06/**25/gates-sends-angry-e-mail-** > sounds-just-like-a-customer/ > > -- > John W. Colby > Colby Consulting > > Reality is what refuses to go away > when you do not believe in it > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.**com > From vbacreations at gmail.com Sat Oct 22 13:59:09 2011 From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson) Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2011 14:59:09 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] It does my heart good In-Reply-To: References: <4EA30F50.8020903@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: Point. Pints I never miss! On Oct 22, 2011 2:58 PM, "William Benson" wrote: > And he has a memory capable of knowing what he did and what the result was. > I have lost that kind of recall and when I go thru stuff like that I just > lose the day and don't really have a good accounting of why! > > B. Gates is a really smart man. Lucky to have so much together in life. > > I probably missed your pint john. > > :) > On Oct 22, 2011 2:46 PM, "jwcolby" wrote: > >> What a hoot! have we ALL experienced this? >> >> http://techcrunch.com/2008/06/**25/gates-sends-angry-e-mail-** >> sounds-just-like-a-customer/ >> >> -- >> John W. Colby >> Colby Consulting >> >> Reality is what refuses to go away >> when you do not believe in it >> -- >> AccessD mailing list >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/accessd >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.**com >> > From michael at mattysconsulting.com Sat Oct 22 14:57:10 2011 From: michael at mattysconsulting.com (Michael Mattys) Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2011 15:57:10 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Memory: The Final Frontier In-Reply-To: References: <003101cc90d8$a3ff3950$ebfdabf0$@mattysconsulting.com> <003201cc90e6$69011c20$3b035460$@mattysconsulting.com> Message-ID: <003301cc90f4$ca403fd0$5ec0bf70$@mattysconsulting.com> I have explored many such avenues in regard to ALS and Parkinson's Disease. As filled with data as our databases are, making sense of it all is elusive. Michael R Mattys Mattys Consulting, LLC www.mattysconsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Benson Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2011 2:37 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Memory: The Final Frontier Sorry for co-opting your topic. Actually i am personally intersted in it because my own short term memory has been decaying. I have been looking for answrs as to why. I feel my personality has been changing too. Largely that i am more readily influenced by very new info rather than more established info. The symptoms are easily explained: older data is missing. And since I have not received any transplants lately I am thinking along the lines of toxins, or technological interference or food supply. As for your PS... no I think you may have missed my point. I was thinking in terms of LONG TERM storage of memories of pain/discomfort, neglect, fear,abuse, disease, and general anxiety that comes from not living life in a way compatible with the animals nature. I don't think the final stretch (slaughter and final thoughts) are recorded in the meat (of course it could be )... but if the premises in the article are valid and extrapolatable then the long term effects of the living conditions and being fed things contrary to the animals proper biological diet... things which "fatten" and make them grow their food yielding parts at the expense of proper function as nature intended could very well be something that changes us upon ingestion. Anyway I am no expert, but this article does make me think it is not all simple binary, but energy field driven. After all much thought has emotional components as well as facts. If poorly treated food supply is driving some of our own negativity then we benefit by being more humane. This would not be a hard test and I am going to recommend it to PETA or some organic farmers. Maybe it has already been done. For sure the big agribusiness and FDA would try to shut down the research. On Oct 22, 2011 2:15 PM, "Michael Mattys" wrote: > I was actually speaking toward the possibility of a far more 'personal' > personal computer, > that is, 'on-board' processing for memory-database access. > Very interesting point of view, though, William. > > Michael R Mattys > Mattys Consulting, LLC > www.mattysconsulting.com > > P.S. > > Of course, memory would have to affect some chemical change of the > animal prior to death and after death, as well as before, during, and > after meal preparation. I know I hate the 'gamey' > taste of adrenalin at all of those times. > > Perhaps there could also be a way devised to test animal memory to > determine their treatment. > A movie about dolphins comes to mind. > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William > Benson > Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2011 1:24 PM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Memory: The Final Frontier > > Transfer of memory maybe applies not only to living organ transplants > but food we eat. The animals raised very inhumanely may indirectly be > cause for a lot of suffering in our own lives. I am not a herbivore > but after seeing Food Inc. I do feel that the rise of so much need > for health care coincides with the mass production of meats. I have > begun insisting our household only buy naturally raised animal > products. I had not thought about it being some kind of cellular > information transfer but this article has me thinking now even more > along those lines. > > What a study that would make, a group of people who ate real "happy meals" > .... products from animals raised and slauggtered humanely versus > another group who ate the false "Happy MealsT". See which group > suffered more from depression over the course of a year. > On Oct 22, 2011 12:37 PM, "Michael Mattys" > > wrote: > > > It isn't Friday OT anymore, but let's call this forthcoming database > > technology ... > > > > http://www.viewzone.com/memorytest1.html > > > > Two things needed to even begin understanding brain, memory, and, > > finally, the human mind: > > > > 1) Mechanical retrieval and storage of memory from (cells of) a > > living, conscious human > > 2) Mechanical retrieval and storage of memory from a (recently) > > deceased human > > > > Michael R Mattys > > Mattys Consulting, LLC > > www.mattysconsulting.com > > > > > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Sat Oct 22 15:07:03 2011 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2011 13:07:03 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Memory: The Final Frontier In-Reply-To: <003201cc90e6$69011c20$3b035460$@mattysconsulting.com> References: <003101cc90d8$a3ff3950$ebfdabf0$@mattysconsulting.com> <003201cc90e6$69011c20$3b035460$@mattysconsulting.com> Message-ID: <49E6C7895FCE47D294E77505B2BD25D2@creativesystemdesigns.com> Why do you think I like personal computers so much...they are just an extension to my own limited memory and memory retrieval system. If you had photographic memory why bother with personal computers? ;-) Jim -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Michael Mattys Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2011 11:14 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Memory: The Final Frontier I was actually speaking toward the possibility of a far more 'personal' personal computer, that is, 'on-board' processing for memory-database access. Very interesting point of view, though, William. Michael R Mattys Mattys Consulting, LLC www.mattysconsulting.com P.S. Of course, memory would have to affect some chemical change of the animal prior to death and after death, as well as before, during, and after meal preparation. I know I hate the 'gamey' taste of adrenalin at all of those times. Perhaps there could also be a way devised to test animal memory to determine their treatment. A movie about dolphins comes to mind. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Benson Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2011 1:24 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Memory: The Final Frontier Transfer of memory maybe applies not only to living organ transplants but food we eat. The animals raised very inhumanely may indirectly be cause for a lot of suffering in our own lives. I am not a herbivore but after seeing Food Inc. I do feel that the rise of so much need for health care coincides with the mass production of meats. I have begun insisting our household only buy naturally raised animal products. I had not thought about it being some kind of cellular information transfer but this article has me thinking now even more along those lines. What a study that would make, a group of people who ate real "happy meals" .... products from animals raised and slauggtered humanely versus another group who ate the false "Happy MealsT". See which group suffered more from depression over the course of a year. On Oct 22, 2011 12:37 PM, "Michael Mattys" wrote: > It isn't Friday OT anymore, but let's call this forthcoming database > technology ... > > http://www.viewzone.com/memorytest1.html > > Two things needed to even begin understanding brain, memory, and, > finally, the human mind: > > 1) Mechanical retrieval and storage of memory from (cells of) a > living, conscious human > 2) Mechanical retrieval and storage of memory from a (recently) > deceased human > > Michael R Mattys > Mattys Consulting, LLC > www.mattysconsulting.com > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Sat Oct 22 15:19:31 2011 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2011 13:19:31 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Memory: The Final Frontier In-Reply-To: References: <003101cc90d8$a3ff3950$ebfdabf0$@mattysconsulting.com> <003201cc90e6$69011c20$3b035460$@mattysconsulting.com> Message-ID: It might be capacity. 64K memory does not go far these days...that much memory took the Voyager spacecrafts to the edge of the solar system. Now a days you will find you have to forget something before you will have room to remember something new...just like those craft. You are not just being more influenced, now, by new ideas because you would not be a programmer in the first place. Case in point, you jumped on the first PC you ran across...that is just a case of genetic early adopter syndrome, I believe. ;-) Jim -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Benson Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2011 11:37 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Memory: The Final Frontier Sorry for co-opting your topic. Actually i am personally intersted in it because my own short term memory has been decaying. I have been looking for answrs as to why. I feel my personality has been changing too. Largely that i am more readily influenced by very new info rather than more established info. The symptoms are easily explained: older data is missing. And since I have not received any transplants lately I am thinking along the lines of toxins, or technological interference or food supply. As for your PS... no I think you may have missed my point. I was thinking in terms of LONG TERM storage of memories of pain/discomfort, neglect, fear,abuse, disease, and general anxiety that comes from not living life in a way compatible with the animals nature. I don't think the final stretch (slaughter and final thoughts) are recorded in the meat (of course it could be )... but if the premises in the article are valid and extrapolatable then the long term effects of the living conditions and being fed things contrary to the animals proper biological diet... things which "fatten" and make them grow their food yielding parts at the expense of proper function as nature intended could very well be something that changes us upon ingestion. Anyway I am no expert, but this article does make me think it is not all simple binary, but energy field driven. After all much thought has emotional components as well as facts. If poorly treated food supply is driving some of our own negativity then we benefit by being more humane. This would not be a hard test and I am going to recommend it to PETA or some organic farmers. Maybe it has already been done. For sure the big agribusiness and FDA would try to shut down the research. On Oct 22, 2011 2:15 PM, "Michael Mattys" wrote: > I was actually speaking toward the possibility of a far more 'personal' > personal computer, > that is, 'on-board' processing for memory-database access. > Very interesting point of view, though, William. > > Michael R Mattys > Mattys Consulting, LLC > www.mattysconsulting.com > > P.S. > > Of course, memory would have to affect some chemical change of the animal > prior to death > and after death, as well as before, during, and after meal preparation. I > know I hate the 'gamey' > taste of adrenalin at all of those times. > > Perhaps there could also be a way devised to test animal memory to > determine > their treatment. > A movie about dolphins comes to mind. > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Benson > Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2011 1:24 PM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Memory: The Final Frontier > > Transfer of memory maybe applies not only to living organ transplants but > food we eat. The animals raised very inhumanely may indirectly be cause for > a lot of suffering in our own lives. I am not a herbivore but after seeing > Food Inc. I do feel that the rise of so much need for health care > coincides > with the mass production of meats. I have begun insisting our household > only > buy naturally raised animal products. I had not thought about it being some > kind of cellular information transfer but this article has me thinking now > even more along those lines. > > What a study that would make, a group of people who ate real "happy meals" > .... products from animals raised and slauggtered humanely versus another > group who ate the false "Happy MealsT". See which group suffered more from > depression over the course of a year. > On Oct 22, 2011 12:37 PM, "Michael Mattys" > wrote: > > > It isn't Friday OT anymore, but let's call this forthcoming database > > technology ... > > > > http://www.viewzone.com/memorytest1.html > > > > Two things needed to even begin understanding brain, memory, and, > > finally, the human mind: > > > > 1) Mechanical retrieval and storage of memory from (cells of) a > > living, conscious human > > 2) Mechanical retrieval and storage of memory from a (recently) > > deceased human > > > > Michael R Mattys > > Mattys Consulting, LLC > > www.mattysconsulting.com > > > > > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From marksimms at verizon.net Sat Oct 22 16:26:07 2011 From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms) Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2011 17:26:07 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Memory: The Final Frontier In-Reply-To: <003101cc90d8$a3ff3950$ebfdabf0$@mattysconsulting.com> References: <003101cc90d8$a3ff3950$ebfdabf0$@mattysconsulting.com> Message-ID: <000401cc9101$3658b600$a30a2200$@net> #1 definitely of huge value for getting the truth from lawyers. They are living, but I not sure they have a conscience....so it might not work ;) From marksimms at verizon.net Sun Oct 23 11:01:48 2011 From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms) Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2011 12:01:48 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] It does my heart good In-Reply-To: <4EA30F50.8020903@colbyconsulting.com> References: <4EA30F50.8020903@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <000601cc919d$12de8e10$389baa30$@net> He's a LOT like Steve Jobs. Not many people can drop down into the details as well as being visionaries. Not many at all. That's why they MADE THE BIG BUCKS. From tinanfields at torchlake.com Sun Oct 23 11:09:01 2011 From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields) Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2011 12:09:01 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] It does my heart good In-Reply-To: <4EA30F50.8020903@colbyconsulting.com> References: <4EA30F50.8020903@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <4EA43C1D.3070805@torchlake.com> Yeah, we have! It's great that Bill Gates tries to use the things we try to use and has the wherewithal to force the needed changes. The line that made me laugh the most was the one about not anticipating using the download page to actually download something. LOL! What DID they think one would use a download page for? T Tina Norris Fields tinanfields at torchlake.com 231-322-2787 On 10/22/2011 2:45 PM, jwcolby wrote: > What a hoot! have we ALL experienced this? > > http://techcrunch.com/2008/06/25/gates-sends-angry-e-mail-sounds-just-like-a-customer/ > > From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au Sun Oct 23 17:32:10 2011 From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins) Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2011 22:32:10 +0000 Subject: [AccessD] Memory: The Final Frontier In-Reply-To: References: <003101cc90d8$a3ff3950$ebfdabf0$@mattysconsulting.com> <003201cc90e6$69011c20$3b035460$@mattysconsulting.com> Message-ID: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55BC97F@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com> " because my own short term memory has been decaying. I have been looking for answrs as to why" There is a some evidence << http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/15/health/15memory.html?_r=1 >> and discussion that the internet and technology in general is doing this to many of us. Remember when you were a kid, how many phone numbers could you recall off the top of your head? I could do dozens of the buggers, now I am lucky to recall 3 or 4. This is not because the internet is evil, but rather I *don't* need to remember anymore as Google, my phone, my email etc does all the remembering for me. Go back a bit further in time and it was common for people to be able to recite entire books and stories by memory. The printing press put paid to that. It seems our brains are smart, but rather lazy (efficient? - I have always felt the line between the two is very thin indeed) and while the brain is quite capable of remarkable feats, it only does the effort if you have a need for it. There are ways to work on improving your memory - take up professional card counting at your local casino for example ;) Of course Bill, you could just be getting old. Seriously though, Maybe you should delete all the most commonly used phone numbers from you cell phone and try to remember them instead. Cheers Darryll -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Benson Sent: Sunday, 23 October 2011 5:37 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Memory: The Final Frontier Sorry for co-opting your topic. Actually i am personally intersted in it because my own short term memory has been decaying. I have been looking for answrs as to why. I feel my personality has been changing too. Largely that i am more readily influenced by very new info rather than more established info. The symptoms are easily explained: older data is missing. And since I have not received any transplants lately I am thinking along the lines of toxins, or technological interference or food supply. As for your PS... no I think you may have missed my point. I was thinking in terms of LONG TERM storage of memories of pain/discomfort, neglect, fear,abuse, disease, and general anxiety that comes from not living life in a way compatible with the animals nature. I don't think the final stretch (slaughter and final thoughts) are recorded in the meat (of course it could be )... but if the premises in the article are valid and extrapolatable then the long term effects of the living conditions and being fed things contrary to the animals proper biological diet... things which "fatten" and make them grow their food yielding parts at the expense of proper function as nature intended could very well be something that changes us upon ingestion. Anyway I am no expert, but this article does make me think it is not all simple binary, but energy field driven. After all much thought has emotional components as well as facts. If poorly treated food supply is driving some of our own negativity then we benefit by being more humane. This would not be a hard test and I am going to recommend it to PETA or some organic farmers. Maybe it has already been done. For sure the big agribusiness and FDA would try to shut down the research. On Oct 22, 2011 2:15 PM, "Michael Mattys" wrote: > I was actually speaking toward the possibility of a far more 'personal' > personal computer, > that is, 'on-board' processing for memory-database access. > Very interesting point of view, though, William. > > Michael R Mattys > Mattys Consulting, LLC > www.mattysconsulting.com > > P.S. > > Of course, memory would have to affect some chemical change of the animal > prior to death > and after death, as well as before, during, and after meal preparation. I > know I hate the 'gamey' > taste of adrenalin at all of those times. > > Perhaps there could also be a way devised to test animal memory to > determine > their treatment. > A movie about dolphins comes to mind. > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Benson > Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2011 1:24 PM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Memory: The Final Frontier > > Transfer of memory maybe applies not only to living organ transplants but > food we eat. The animals raised very inhumanely may indirectly be cause for > a lot of suffering in our own lives. I am not a herbivore but after seeing > Food Inc. I do feel that the rise of so much need for health care > coincides > with the mass production of meats. I have begun insisting our household > only > buy naturally raised animal products. I had not thought about it being some > kind of cellular information transfer but this article has me thinking now > even more along those lines. > > What a study that would make, a group of people who ate real "happy meals" > .... products from animals raised and slauggtered humanely versus another > group who ate the false "Happy MealsT". See which group suffered more from > depression over the course of a year. > On Oct 22, 2011 12:37 PM, "Michael Mattys" > wrote: > > > It isn't Friday OT anymore, but let's call this forthcoming database > > technology ... > > > > http://www.viewzone.com/memorytest1.html > > > > Two things needed to even begin understanding brain, memory, and, > > finally, the human mind: > > > > 1) Mechanical retrieval and storage of memory from (cells of) a > > living, conscious human > > 2) Mechanical retrieval and storage of memory from a (recently) > > deceased human > > > > Michael R Mattys > > Mattys Consulting, LLC > > www.mattysconsulting.com > > > > > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From vbacreations at gmail.com Sun Oct 23 21:17:19 2011 From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson (VBACreations.Com)) Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2011 22:17:19 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] AddNewRecord "Problem" Message-ID: <000e01cc91f3$0f6f13c0$2e4d3b40$@gmail.com> Accdb database, I am not too familiar with Ac2010. ... especially how Access creates embedded events and actions instead of normal vba code to handle standard record operations on a buttonclick such as New Record. So I am trying to use VBA. When I create a new record in the table, I want to validate that the info entered is not already in the table. I could probably do this in the BeforeInsert, but I am instead doing it on the button click. If the record is one which may be added I want to insert a record. I am doing this presently by setting a dao recordset equal to the form's recordsetclone, and then saying Rst.AddNew, and then populating a few fields which are not bound to controls, then using bookmark to bring the rest of the form (and the bound controls) up to date and position the form on the correct record. That part is clunky but working, but the problem is that the Current event is not firing. For that matter, the Addnew is not firing either. I know I can call those events with code, but I was wondering why this method is not causing Current to fire on its own when I set the form's bookmark equal to the recordset's bookmark? From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au Sun Oct 23 21:47:23 2011 From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins) Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 02:47:23 +0000 Subject: [AccessD] AddNewRecord "Problem" In-Reply-To: <000e01cc91f3$0f6f13c0$2e4d3b40$@gmail.com> References: <000e01cc91f3$0f6f13c0$2e4d3b40$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55BCBCF@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com> Bill, You can convert any of the new Macros to VBA code. Open the form in design view and use the Convert Form's Macro to Visual Basic command. I always do this now if I use a wizard thingo that writes a macro rather than VBA. " I want to validate that the info entered is not already in the table" Isn't this something you would manage at table level using indexes and/or keys? I would also suggest you use an unbound form as it is much easier to deal with these sorts of things as you can validate the data *before* it is written to the table. To do this you can call up a recordset against your form data and if the recordcount = 0 you know the record doesn't exist and can add it. Other advantage is the user can painlessly exit the form without saving - fast and easy. Of course the bound / unbound debate on this list get pretty heated from time to time and there are pros and cons to both approaches. Anyway, a bit hard to give you the best answer as I don't fully understand what your data set up is. Cheers Darryl. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Benson (VBACreations.Com) Sent: Monday, 24 October 2011 1:17 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: [AccessD] AddNewRecord "Problem" Accdb database, I am not too familiar with Ac2010. ... especially how Access creates embedded events and actions instead of normal vba code to handle standard record operations on a buttonclick such as New Record. So I am trying to use VBA. When I create a new record in the table, I want to validate that the info entered is not already in the table. I could probably do this in the BeforeInsert, but I am instead doing it on the button click. If the record is one which may be added I want to insert a record. I am doing this presently by setting a dao recordset equal to the form's recordsetclone, and then saying Rst.AddNew, and then populating a few fields which are not bound to controls, then using bookmark to bring the rest of the form (and the bound controls) up to date and position the form on the correct record. That part is clunky but working, but the problem is that the Current event is not firing. For that matter, the Addnew is not firing either. I know I can call those events with code, but I was wondering why this method is not causing Current to fire on its own when I set the form's bookmark equal to the recordset's bookmark? -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From darren at activebilling.com.au Sun Oct 23 22:07:52 2011 From: darren at activebilling.com.au (Darren - Active Billing) Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 14:07:52 +1100 Subject: [AccessD] AddNewRecord "Problem" In-Reply-To: <000e01cc91f3$0f6f13c0$2e4d3b40$@gmail.com> References: <000e01cc91f3$0f6f13c0$2e4d3b40$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <007701cc91fa$205562a0$610027e0$@activebilling.com.au> Hi William, I agree with Darryl, tricky to make a useful suggestion without know a bit more. Normally for this sort of stuff I do it in the Before Update and use a DCOUNT or DLOOKUP, depending on the info. Then, if the count is greater than one, or if the info exists, I present a message box and cancel the sub. Depending on what's being added, usually somewhere, there is something pertinent that can be caught in a simple Domain Lookup. You can have multi parameters in the DLOOKUP too, and if it's just one line or one record to 'test' (i.e. No Loops) then the speeds are fine in my experience. - e.g. (pseudo code for very simple application of adding a new record) If you are trying to insert an AccountNo that already exists then msgbox the error and exit intNoOfAccounts = DCount("[AccountNo]", "tblAccounts", " AccountNo = " & Forms!frmSomeForm!txtSometextBox & " and IsCurrent = -1") if intNoOfAccounts>=1 then Msgbox "Something here about there already being an active AccountNo of " & Forms!frmSomeForm!txtSometextBox Cancel = true Else ''bat on - good to go Exit sub (Yes, I know you will all say that 'AccountNo' should be an indexed field blah blah blah, - I agree - this is just for demonstration) Hope this helps Darren -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Benson (VBACreations.Com) Sent: Monday, 24 October 2011 1:17 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: [AccessD] AddNewRecord "Problem" Accdb database, I am not too familiar with Ac2010. ... especially how Access creates embedded events and actions instead of normal vba code to handle standard record operations on a buttonclick such as New Record. So I am trying to use VBA. When I create a new record in the table, I want to validate that the info entered is not already in the table. I could probably do this in the BeforeInsert, but I am instead doing it on the button click. If the record is one which may be added I want to insert a record. I am doing this presently by setting a dao recordset equal to the form's recordsetclone, and then saying Rst.AddNew, and then populating a few fields which are not bound to controls, then using bookmark to bring the rest of the form (and the bound controls) up to date and position the form on the correct record. That part is clunky but working, but the problem is that the Current event is not firing. For that matter, the Addnew is not firing either. I know I can call those events with code, but I was wondering why this method is not causing Current to fire on its own when I set the form's bookmark equal to the recordset's bookmark? -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Sun Oct 23 22:22:31 2011 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2011 20:22:31 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] AddNewRecord "Problem" In-Reply-To: <000e01cc91f3$0f6f13c0$2e4d3b40$@gmail.com> References: <000e01cc91f3$0f6f13c0$2e4d3b40$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Are you using an autonumber PK? Any other fields indexed-no duplicates? How will you determine if the info is already in the table? What fields? Will those fields still be empty at the time of the Before Insert event? Rocky -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Benson (VBACreations.Com) Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2011 7:17 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: [AccessD] AddNewRecord "Problem" Accdb database, I am not too familiar with Ac2010. ... especially how Access creates embedded events and actions instead of normal vba code to handle standard record operations on a buttonclick such as New Record. So I am trying to use VBA. When I create a new record in the table, I want to validate that the info entered is not already in the table. I could probably do this in the BeforeInsert, but I am instead doing it on the button click. If the record is one which may be added I want to insert a record. I am doing this presently by setting a dao recordset equal to the form's recordsetclone, and then saying Rst.AddNew, and then populating a few fields which are not bound to controls, then using bookmark to bring the rest of the form (and the bound controls) up to date and position the form on the correct record. That part is clunky but working, but the problem is that the Current event is not firing. For that matter, the Addnew is not firing either. I know I can call those events with code, but I was wondering why this method is not causing Current to fire on its own when I set the form's bookmark equal to the recordset's bookmark? -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From vbacreations at gmail.com Sun Oct 23 22:41:05 2011 From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson) Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2011 23:41:05 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] AddNewRecord "Problem" In-Reply-To: References: <000e01cc91f3$0f6f13c0$2e4d3b40$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Yes to pk, it is simply [Id] Userid is indexed, required, no dupes allowed. I cant remember if i used dlookup ("[userid]='" & txtuserid &"'") or an inline SQL to check if txtuserid is already in the table or not. This for is working perfectly but I had a question about current not being fired after using bookmark On Oct 23, 2011 11:24 PM, "Rocky Smolin" wrote: > Are you using an autonumber PK? Any other fields indexed-no duplicates? > > How will you determine if the info is already in the table? What fields? > Will those fields still be empty at the time of the Before Insert event? > > Rocky > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Benson > (VBACreations.Com) > Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2011 7:17 PM > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > Subject: [AccessD] AddNewRecord "Problem" > > Accdb database, I am not too familiar with Ac2010. > > ... especially how Access creates embedded events and actions instead of > normal vba code to handle standard record operations on a buttonclick such > as New Record. So I am trying to use VBA. > > When I create a new record in the table, I want to validate that the info > entered is not already in the table. I could probably do this in the > BeforeInsert, but I am instead doing it on the button click. > > If the record is one which may be added I want to insert a record. I am > doing this presently by setting a dao recordset equal to the form's > recordsetclone, and then saying Rst.AddNew, and then populating a few > fields > which are not bound to controls, then using bookmark to bring the rest of > the form (and the bound controls) up to date and position the form on the > correct record. > > That part is clunky but working, but the problem is that the Current event > is not firing. For that matter, the Addnew is not firing either. > > I know I can call those events with code, but I was wondering why this > method is not causing Current to fire on its own when I set the form's > bookmark equal to the recordset's bookmark? > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From marksimms at verizon.net Mon Oct 24 09:57:08 2011 From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms) Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 10:57:08 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] AddNewRecord "Problem" In-Reply-To: <000e01cc91f3$0f6f13c0$2e4d3b40$@gmail.com> References: <000e01cc91f3$0f6f13c0$2e4d3b40$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <006201cc925d$34150b70$9c3f2250$@net> Can someone explain exactly what are the new "em" events supposed to do ? From rusty.hammond at cpiqpc.com Mon Oct 24 10:17:55 2011 From: rusty.hammond at cpiqpc.com (Rusty Hammond) Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 10:17:55 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Any Access add-ins to put app on mobile devices? Message-ID: <49A286ABF515E94A8505CD14DEB721701744A259@CPIEMAIL-EVS1.CPIQPC.NET> I came across an article about an add-in for Filemaker Pro (called FileMaker Go) that will allow you to develop an application in Filemaker on your Mac or PC, then port that application to an iOS application ready to run on your iPhone and/or iPad. Pretty slick and I've even seen a mobile work order dispatch application developed using the set-up. An electrician is using it to send out work orders to his crews. He put iPads in each of his trucks. Has anyone come across one that would port an Access app to either iOS, Android, or maybe even Windows Mobile??? Rusty Hammond ********************************************************************** WARNING: All e-mail sent to and from this address will be received, scanned or otherwise recorded by the CPI Qualified Plan Consultants, Inc. corporate e-mail system and is subject to archival, monitoring or review by, and/or disclosure to, someone other than the recipient. ********************************************************************** From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Mon Oct 24 10:50:01 2011 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 08:50:01 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] http://projecteuler.net/ Message-ID: <127FD82F51494E1D90034BCDA1AB8FFF@HAL9007> If you've got some time on your hands - couldn't get Noah to go to bed last night - he wanted to solve 'just one more'. Now we're going to have a contest to see who can solve a problem with the least number of lines of code. I think I have a distinct advantage using VBA to his C++ or LUA R _____ From: Noah Sutton-Smolin [mailto:heedleblambeedle at gmail.com] Sent: Monday, October 24, 2011 7:41 AM To: Rocky Smolin Subject: http://projecteuler.net/ http://projecteuler.net/ _______________________________________________ dba-OT mailing list dba-OT at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-ot Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From charlotte.foust at gmail.com Mon Oct 24 10:58:23 2011 From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust) Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 08:58:23 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Any Access add-ins to put app on mobile devices? In-Reply-To: <49A286ABF515E94A8505CD14DEB721701744A259@CPIEMAIL-EVS1.CPIQPC.NET> References: <49A286ABF515E94A8505CD14DEB721701744A259@CPIEMAIL-EVS1.CPIQPC.NET> Message-ID: Nope, although Cellica Database will run on both Windows and Android and allows you to connect to an Access database. It's a pain to create the forms though because it automatically scales the form to the screen of your phone Charlotte Foust On Mon, Oct 24, 2011 at 8:17 AM, Rusty Hammond wrote: > I came across an article about an add-in for Filemaker Pro (called > FileMaker Go) that will allow you to develop an application in Filemaker > on your Mac or PC, then port that application to an iOS application > ready to run on your iPhone and/or iPad. Pretty slick and I've even > seen a mobile work order dispatch application developed using the > set-up. An electrician is using it to send out work orders to his > crews. He put iPads in each of his trucks. > > Has anyone come across one that would port an Access app to either iOS, > Android, or maybe even Windows Mobile??? > > > Rusty Hammond > > > > ********************************************************************** > WARNING: All e-mail sent to and from this address will be received, > scanned or otherwise recorded by the CPI Qualified Plan Consultants, Inc. > corporate e-mail system and is subject to archival, monitoring or review > by, and/or disclosure to, someone other than the recipient. > ********************************************************************** > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > From davidmcafee at gmail.com Mon Oct 24 12:14:35 2011 From: davidmcafee at gmail.com (David McAfee) Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 10:14:35 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Any Access add-ins to put app on mobile devices? In-Reply-To: References: <49A286ABF515E94A8505CD14DEB721701744A259@CPIEMAIL-EVS1.CPIQPC.NET> Message-ID: Up through Windows Mobile 2003 (Maybe even in WM5, I can't remember at the moment) you could have CDB (Compact version of mdb) on devices. I was very easy to bring data back and forth between device and PC. cdb's were deprecated by MS when they brought out SDFs (SQLCE). You could still connect with ADO and copy stuff between the SDF and mdbs or SQL Server. SQL CE was supported by WM5/6. MS dropped support for this when they released WM7. I dropped support for MS after that :P I'm currently learning Android Development and plan to start learning Apple programming next semester. At least they both share SQLLite. On Mon, Oct 24, 2011 at 8:58 AM, Charlotte Foust wrote: > Nope, although Cellica Database will run on both Windows and Android and > allows you to connect to an Access database. It's a pain to create the > forms though because it automatically scales the form to the screen of your > phone > > Charlotte Foust > > On Mon, Oct 24, 2011 at 8:17 AM, Rusty Hammond >wrote: > > > I came across an article about an add-in for Filemaker Pro (called > > FileMaker Go) that will allow you to develop an application in Filemaker > > on your Mac or PC, then port that application to an iOS application > > ready to run on your iPhone and/or iPad. Pretty slick and I've even > > seen a mobile work order dispatch application developed using the > > set-up. An electrician is using it to send out work orders to his > > crews. He put iPads in each of his trucks. > > > > Has anyone come across one that would port an Access app to either iOS, > > Android, or maybe even Windows Mobile??? > > > > > > Rusty Hammond > > > > > > > > ********************************************************************** > > WARNING: All e-mail sent to and from this address will be received, > > scanned or otherwise recorded by the CPI Qualified Plan Consultants, Inc. > > corporate e-mail system and is subject to archival, monitoring or review > > by, and/or disclosure to, someone other than the recipient. > > ********************************************************************** > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > > > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From rusty.hammond at cpiqpc.com Mon Oct 24 12:30:12 2011 From: rusty.hammond at cpiqpc.com (Rusty Hammond) Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 12:30:12 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Any Access add-ins to put app on mobile devices? In-Reply-To: References: <49A286ABF515E94A8505CD14DEB721701744A259@CPIEMAIL-EVS1.CPIQPC.NET> Message-ID: <49A286ABF515E94A8505CD14DEB721701744A25D@CPIEMAIL-EVS1.CPIQPC.NET> The FileMaker Go app is able to tie back into a FileMaker server via a network and/or internet connection so it will sync as long as you have an internet connection and your firewall setup correctly. Looks to me like Microsoft is pushing more towards using Sharepoint for this kind of stuff. Using the browser in the mobile device. That's not a bad idea, that way there's no app to install and maintain for each mobile os. I gotta find me some more hours in the day to learn all of this stuff. Rusty -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of David McAfee Sent: Monday, October 24, 2011 12:15 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Any Access add-ins to put app on mobile devices? Up through Windows Mobile 2003 (Maybe even in WM5, I can't remember at the moment) you could have CDB (Compact version of mdb) on devices. I was very easy to bring data back and forth between device and PC. cdb's were deprecated by MS when they brought out SDFs (SQLCE). You could still connect with ADO and copy stuff between the SDF and mdbs or SQL Server. SQL CE was supported by WM5/6. MS dropped support for this when they released WM7. I dropped support for MS after that :P I'm currently learning Android Development and plan to start learning Apple programming next semester. At least they both share SQLLite. On Mon, Oct 24, 2011 at 8:58 AM, Charlotte Foust wrote: > Nope, although Cellica Database will run on both Windows and Android > and allows you to connect to an Access database. It's a pain to > create the forms though because it automatically scales the form to > the screen of your phone > > Charlotte Foust > > On Mon, Oct 24, 2011 at 8:17 AM, Rusty Hammond > >wrote: > > > I came across an article about an add-in for Filemaker Pro (called > > FileMaker Go) that will allow you to develop an application in > > Filemaker on your Mac or PC, then port that application to an iOS > > application ready to run on your iPhone and/or iPad. Pretty slick > > and I've even seen a mobile work order dispatch application > > developed using the set-up. An electrician is using it to send out > > work orders to his crews. He put iPads in each of his trucks. > > > > Has anyone come across one that would port an Access app to either > > iOS, Android, or maybe even Windows Mobile??? > > > > > > Rusty Hammond > > > > > > > > ******************************************************************** > > ** > > WARNING: All e-mail sent to and from this address will be received, > > scanned or otherwise recorded by the CPI Qualified Plan Consultants, Inc. > > corporate e-mail system and is subject to archival, monitoring or > > review by, and/or disclosure to, someone other than the recipient. > > ******************************************************************** > > ** > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > > > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com ********************************************************************** WARNING: All e-mail sent to and from this address will be received, scanned or otherwise recorded by the CPI Qualified Plan Consultants, Inc. corporate e-mail system and is subject to archival, monitoring or review by, and/or disclosure to, someone other than the recipient. ********************************************************************** From vbacreations at gmail.com Mon Oct 24 13:23:39 2011 From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson (VBACreations.Com)) Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 14:23:39 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] You cannot record your changes because... Message-ID: <003301cc927a$157ada60$40708f20$@gmail.com> I have a form with a data sheet subform. On the current event of the subform, the values from some of the fields in the data sheet subform are put into the unbound controls on the parent form. This was working fine now all of a sudden the form won't open, I get a message "You cannot record your changes because a value you entered violates the settings defined for this table or list (for example, a value is less than the minimum or greater than the maximum). Correct the error and try again. Now, as far as I know I have no validation settings of this kind, and the table which the subform is based on is a linked table (Excel range). Does someone have some suggestions for what is possibly causing this? From vbacreations at gmail.com Mon Oct 24 13:29:54 2011 From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson (VBACreations.Com)) Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 14:29:54 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] You cannot record your changes because... Message-ID: <003401cc927a$ed8fa020$c8aee060$@gmail.com> The worst past of this is that I get the same error just testing a field on the subform: Me.Control("Postal_Code").value I suspect that the underlying record has a value of #NUM after a field failed to import all data correctly. So I guess maybe if I destroy all the #NUM values in the data the subform which is based on that table might stop failing... I will try and report back. -----Original Message----- From: William Benson (VBACreations.Com) [mailto:vbacreations at gmail.com] Sent: Monday, October 24, 2011 2:24 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: You cannot record your changes because... I have a form with a data sheet subform. On the current event of the subform, the values from some of the fields in the data sheet subform are put into the unbound controls on the parent form. This was working fine now all of a sudden the form won't open, I get a message "You cannot record your changes because a value you entered violates the settings defined for this table or list (for example, a value is less than the minimum or greater than the maximum). Correct the error and try again. Now, as far as I know I have no validation settings of this kind, and the table which the subform is based on is a linked table (Excel range). Does someone have some suggestions for what is possibly causing this? From vbacreations at gmail.com Mon Oct 24 13:31:50 2011 From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson (VBACreations.Com)) Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 14:31:50 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] You cannot record your changes because... Message-ID: <003501cc927b$359658a0$a0c309e0$@gmail.com> Oh, did I say that was the worst part ...? lol. The underlying table is a linked excel file so I don't think there is anything I can do about it?!! -----Original Message----- From: William Benson (VBACreations.Com) [mailto:vbacreations at gmail.com] Sent: Monday, October 24, 2011 2:30 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: RE: You cannot record your changes because... The worst past of this is that I get the same error just testing a field on the subform: Me.Control("Postal_Code").value I suspect that the underlying record has a value of #NUM after a field failed to import all data correctly. So I guess maybe if I destroy all the #NUM values in the data the subform which is based on that table might stop failing... I will try and report back. -----Original Message----- From: William Benson (VBACreations.Com) [mailto:vbacreations at gmail.com] Sent: Monday, October 24, 2011 2:24 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: You cannot record your changes because... I have a form with a data sheet subform. On the current event of the subform, the values from some of the fields in the data sheet subform are put into the unbound controls on the parent form. This was working fine now all of a sudden the form won't open, I get a message "You cannot record your changes because a value you entered violates the settings defined for this table or list (for example, a value is less than the minimum or greater than the maximum). Correct the error and try again. Now, as far as I know I have no validation settings of this kind, and the table which the subform is based on is a linked table (Excel range). Does someone have some suggestions for what is possibly causing this? From marksimms at verizon.net Mon Oct 24 15:25:24 2011 From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms) Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 16:25:24 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] You cannot record your changes because... In-Reply-To: <003501cc927b$359658a0$a0c309e0$@gmail.com> References: <003501cc927b$359658a0$a0c309e0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <003d01cc928b$0fdc0a50$2f941ef0$@net> As you are aware, Excel employs the Variant data structure.....which allows any cell to be a long, string, date, double, boolean, etc. Converting your columns to strings may be a crude workaround, but of course, this creates other issues as well. > Oh, did I say that was the worst part ...? lol. The underlying table is > a linked excel file so I don't think there is anything I can do about it?!! From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au Mon Oct 24 17:45:12 2011 From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins) Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 22:45:12 +0000 Subject: [AccessD] Any Access add-ins to put app on mobile devices? In-Reply-To: <49A286ABF515E94A8505CD14DEB721701744A25D@CPIEMAIL-EVS1.CPIQPC.NET> References: <49A286ABF515E94A8505CD14DEB721701744A259@CPIEMAIL-EVS1.CPIQPC.NET> <49A286ABF515E94A8505CD14DEB721701744A25D@CPIEMAIL-EVS1.CPIQPC.NET> Message-ID: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55BCFFB@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com> I have set up Office 365 for my wife's small business operation - a team of about 8 people working in 2 locations plus from home and on the road. They had the usual system of craziness, multiple versions of spreadsheets, word docs everywhere - terrible version control - stuff on USB sticks - multiple copies of the database - blah blah, everyone with their own gmail or yahoo emails - just a big mess. Frankly Office 365 has been bloody brilliant. I especially love the advantage of having an Outlook exchange server via the web plus all the sharepoint stuff online. All for a small monthly fee of about $7 per user. Having the ability to organise meetings and share calendars has been great for her team. All their common database info (as Sharepoint lists now) is live and online and if one of them updates info it is immediately available to all. Best of all they can access it thru any web brower. Might not suit everyone but it has been great as the girls don't need to purchase any new software or equipment to make this work, although having Office 2010 installed on your PC raises the game to a whole new level again. They also love the Lync IM tool, which allows desktop sharing for meetings etc, plus chat and IM. Works really well. So far darn happy with the set up. Maybe not for everyone, but for her it has been great. She has neither the money, time or experience to host a dedicated server for this sort of thing so it has provided her with some real and tangible benefits. Heh, I sound like an advert I know, but credit where it is due - MS have done a good job on this. For people like Monica and her set up this sort thing is just ideal and she gets a lot of bang for her buck and it is easy for the users to understand and use. Cheers Darryl. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rusty Hammond Sent: Tuesday, 25 October 2011 4:30 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Any Access add-ins to put app on mobile devices? The FileMaker Go app is able to tie back into a FileMaker server via a network and/or internet connection so it will sync as long as you have an internet connection and your firewall setup correctly. Looks to me like Microsoft is pushing more towards using Sharepoint for this kind of stuff. Using the browser in the mobile device. That's not a bad idea, that way there's no app to install and maintain for each mobile os. I gotta find me some more hours in the day to learn all of this stuff. Rusty -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of David McAfee Sent: Monday, October 24, 2011 12:15 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Any Access add-ins to put app on mobile devices? Up through Windows Mobile 2003 (Maybe even in WM5, I can't remember at the moment) you could have CDB (Compact version of mdb) on devices. I was very easy to bring data back and forth between device and PC. cdb's were deprecated by MS when they brought out SDFs (SQLCE). You could still connect with ADO and copy stuff between the SDF and mdbs or SQL Server. SQL CE was supported by WM5/6. MS dropped support for this when they released WM7. I dropped support for MS after that :P I'm currently learning Android Development and plan to start learning Apple programming next semester. At least they both share SQLLite. On Mon, Oct 24, 2011 at 8:58 AM, Charlotte Foust wrote: > Nope, although Cellica Database will run on both Windows and Android > and allows you to connect to an Access database. It's a pain to > create the forms though because it automatically scales the form to > the screen of your phone > > Charlotte Foust > > On Mon, Oct 24, 2011 at 8:17 AM, Rusty Hammond > >wrote: > > > I came across an article about an add-in for Filemaker Pro (called > > FileMaker Go) that will allow you to develop an application in > > Filemaker on your Mac or PC, then port that application to an iOS > > application ready to run on your iPhone and/or iPad. Pretty slick > > and I've even seen a mobile work order dispatch application > > developed using the set-up. An electrician is using it to send out > > work orders to his crews. He put iPads in each of his trucks. > > > > Has anyone come across one that would port an Access app to either > > iOS, Android, or maybe even Windows Mobile??? > > > > > > Rusty Hammond > > > > > > > > ******************************************************************** > > ** > > WARNING: All e-mail sent to and from this address will be received, > > scanned or otherwise recorded by the CPI Qualified Plan Consultants, Inc. > > corporate e-mail system and is subject to archival, monitoring or > > review by, and/or disclosure to, someone other than the recipient. > > ******************************************************************** > > ** > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > > > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com ********************************************************************** WARNING: All e-mail sent to and from this address will be received, scanned or otherwise recorded by the CPI Qualified Plan Consultants, Inc. corporate e-mail system and is subject to archival, monitoring or review by, and/or disclosure to, someone other than the recipient. ********************************************************************** -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From vbacreations at gmail.com Mon Oct 24 17:57:56 2011 From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson) Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 18:57:56 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] You cannot record your changes because... In-Reply-To: <003d01cc928b$0fdc0a50$2f941ef0$@net> References: <003501cc927b$359658a0$a0c309e0$@gmail.com> <003d01cc928b$0fdc0a50$2f941ef0$@net> Message-ID: Fortunately I only need to set a couple text fields so I just tested iserror([fieldname]) as a workaround and used value property of the control holding the data only if that test was false. Thanks Mark. On Oct 24, 2011 4:27 PM, "Mark Simms" wrote: > As you are aware, Excel employs the Variant data structure.....which allows > any cell to be a long, string, date, double, boolean, etc. Converting your > columns to strings may be a crude workaround, but of course, this creates > other issues as well. > > > > Oh, did I say that was the worst part ...? lol. The underlying table is > > a linked excel file so I don't think there is anything I can do about > it?!! > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Mon Oct 24 21:32:47 2011 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 22:32:47 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] DRAM errors and ECC Message-ID: <4EA61FCF.10203@colbyconsulting.com> http://www.cs.toronto.edu/~bianca/papers/sigmetrics09.pdf -- John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it From kvanhuss at airrsystem.com Mon Oct 24 22:13:16 2011 From: kvanhuss at airrsystem.com (Kenneth W Van Huss) Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 22:13:16 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Comparing times in different time zones Message-ID: I have an unmet challenge relating to comparing times in different time zones. User on the other side of the world, literally enters time of an event. When the user saves the record in the database that time is captured, though the time is the server time, located in US central time zone. Using UTC offset I have "normalized" the times to UTC to compare against one another to ensure the record was entered within a certain amount of time. The challenge I see down the road is Day Light Savings time and the impact that will have on the offset. Anyone experience this before? Thanks! Ken From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au Mon Oct 24 22:27:19 2011 From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins) Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 03:27:19 +0000 Subject: [AccessD] Comparing times in different time zones In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55BEA60@SINPRD0402MB102.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com> Bloody hell Ken, That is going to be a struggle to get right given all the Local time zones you are going to need to deal with. Just in Oz alone it is a mess with some states on Daylight saving time and other states ignore it. This leads to stupid situations where you will have two cities in the same zone being 1 hour apart. I am sure Australia doesn't have a monopoly on this sort of weirdness. I deal a lot with Asia and the US and Africa these days so I use this website <> to keep track of different times, maybe it can help you out? I guess it depends on where you are grabbing the offset from and if it is automatically updated or not? -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kenneth W Van Huss Sent: Tuesday, 25 October 2011 2:13 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: [AccessD] Comparing times in different time zones I have an unmet challenge relating to comparing times in different time zones. User on the other side of the world, literally enters time of an event. When the user saves the record in the database that time is captured, though the time is the server time, located in US central time zone. Using UTC offset I have "normalized" the times to UTC to compare against one another to ensure the record was entered within a certain amount of time. The challenge I see down the road is Day Light Savings time and the impact that will have on the offset. Anyone experience this before? Thanks! Ken -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Mon Oct 24 23:13:26 2011 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 14:13:26 +1000 Subject: [AccessD] Comparing times in different time zones In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4EA63766.11598.183CF3CF@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> You need to store all the times as FileTime or Unix Time. Storing as FileTime lets you use the API calls FileTimeToSystemTime SystemTimeToTzSpecificLocalTime SystemTimeToFileTime to get local times as required. If you want to use UnixTime instead, then UnixTime = FileTime/10000000 - 11644473600 -- Stuart On 24 Oct 2011 at 22:13, Kenneth W Van Huss wrote: > I have an unmet challenge relating to comparing times in different > time zones. User on the other side of the world, literally enters > time of an event. When the user saves the record in the database that > time is captured, though the time is the server time, located in US > central time zone. Using UTC offset I have "normalized" the times to > UTC to compare against one another to ensure the record was entered > within a certain amount of time. The challenge I see down the road is > Day Light Savings time and the impact that will have on the offset. > Anyone experience this before? > > > > Thanks! > > Ken > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From kvanhuss at airrsystem.com Mon Oct 24 23:25:34 2011 From: kvanhuss at airrsystem.com (Kenneth Van Huss) Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 04:25:34 +0000 Subject: [AccessD] Comparing times in different time zones In-Reply-To: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55BEA60@SINPRD0402MB102.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com> References: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55BEA60@SINPRD0402MB102.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com> Message-ID: <997259757-1319516763-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-236620887-@b2.c7.bise6.blackberry> If captain Kirk could have a univerdal "stardate" surely we have one universal time that could be used here on our planet. Sent on the Sprint? 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Your cooperation is appreciated.==================================================================In consideration of the environment ? please do not print this emailunless absolutely necessary. -----Original Message----- From: Darryl Collins Sender: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.comDate: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 03:27:19 To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Comparing times in different time zones Bloody hell Ken, That is going to be a struggle to get right given all the Local time zones you are going to need to deal with. Just in Oz alone it is a mess with some states on Daylight saving time and other states ignore it. This leads to stupid situations where you will have two cities in the same zone being 1 hour apart. I am sure Australia doesn't have a monopoly on this sort of weirdness. I deal a lot with Asia and the US and Africa these days so I use this website <> to keep track of different times, maybe it can help you out? I guess it depends on where you are grabbing the offset from and if it is automatically updated or not? -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kenneth W Van Huss Sent: Tuesday, 25 October 2011 2:13 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: [AccessD] Comparing times in different time zones I have an unmet challenge relating to comparing times in different time zones. User on the other side of the world, literally enters time of an event. When the user saves the record in the database that time is captured, though the time is the server time, located in US central time zone. Using UTC offset I have "normalized" the times to UTC to compare against one another to ensure the record was entered within a certain amount of time. The challenge I see down the road is Day Light Savings time and the impact that will have on the offset. Anyone experience this before? Thanks! Ken -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From kvanhuss at airrsystem.com Mon Oct 24 23:37:23 2011 From: kvanhuss at airrsystem.com (Kenneth W Van Huss) Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 23:37:23 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Comparing times in different time zones In-Reply-To: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55BEA60@SINPRD0402MB102.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com> References: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55BEA60@SINPRD0402MB102.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com> Message-ID: I found a table, but don't recall where, that has the offset for all the countries with which I am currently dealing. I added a field to the location table that includes the UTC Offset. So for Iraq, I take the local time and convert it to UTC/GMT using the offset in the location table. I take the server time, US Central, and convert it to UTC/GMT. Now I can compare the time of the event against the time it was entered into the database. So right now as we write, the comparison is fine. But it will become a maintenance nightmare on an ongoing basis, I think because these offsets change depending on time of year and Daylight Savings Time. Keeping in synch will be a real challenge. What happens for example if an event occurs the morning of transition to or from DST in a time zone that just changed, and we need to compare it against server time 8 time zones away, which has not yet switched to DST. I guess I can't see the forest for the trees right now and need some clarity. Any ideas are greatly appreciated. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darryl Collins Sent: Monday, October 24, 2011 10:27 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Comparing times in different time zones Bloody hell Ken, That is going to be a struggle to get right given all the Local time zones you are going to need to deal with. Just in Oz alone it is a mess with some states on Daylight saving time and other states ignore it. This leads to stupid situations where you will have two cities in the same zone being 1 hour apart. I am sure Australia doesn't have a monopoly on this sort of weirdness. I deal a lot with Asia and the US and Africa these days so I use this website <> to keep track of different times, maybe it can help you out? I guess it depends on where you are grabbing the offset from and if it is automatically updated or not? -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kenneth W Van Huss Sent: Tuesday, 25 October 2011 2:13 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: [AccessD] Comparing times in different time zones I have an unmet challenge relating to comparing times in different time zones. User on the other side of the world, literally enters time of an event. When the user saves the record in the database that time is captured, though the time is the server time, located in US central time zone. Using UTC offset I have "normalized" the times to UTC to compare against one another to ensure the record was entered within a certain amount of time. The challenge I see down the road is Day Light Savings time and the impact that will have on the offset. Anyone experience this before? Thanks! Ken -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From kvanhuss at airrsystem.com Mon Oct 24 23:39:15 2011 From: kvanhuss at airrsystem.com (Kenneth W Van Huss) Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 23:39:15 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Comparing times in different time zones In-Reply-To: <4EA63766.11598.183CF3CF@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: <4EA63766.11598.183CF3CF@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: Stuart, Thanks. That is what I need. I will research and see how to apply. Ken -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan Sent: Monday, October 24, 2011 11:13 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Comparing times in different time zones You need to store all the times as FileTime or Unix Time. Storing as FileTime lets you use the API calls FileTimeToSystemTime SystemTimeToTzSpecificLocalTime SystemTimeToFileTime to get local times as required. If you want to use UnixTime instead, then UnixTime = FileTime/10000000 - 11644473600 -- Stuart On 24 Oct 2011 at 22:13, Kenneth W Van Huss wrote: > I have an unmet challenge relating to comparing times in different > time zones. User on the other side of the world, literally enters > time of an event. When the user saves the record in the database that > time is captured, though the time is the server time, located in US > central time zone. Using UTC offset I have "normalized" the times to > UTC to compare against one another to ensure the record was entered > within a certain amount of time. The challenge I see down the road is > Day Light Savings time and the impact that will have on the offset. > Anyone experience this before? > > > > Thanks! > > Ken > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Mon Oct 24 23:41:38 2011 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 14:41:38 +1000 Subject: [AccessD] Comparing times in different time zones In-Reply-To: <997259757-1319516763-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-236620887-@b2.c7.bise6.blackberry> Message-ID: <4EA63E02.5085.8111F@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> We have, it's called UTC aka Co-ordinated Universal Time -- Stuart On 25 Oct 2011 at 4:25, Kenneth Van Huss wrote: > If captain Kirk could have a univerdal "stardate" surely we have one > universal time that could be used here on our planet. > From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Mon Oct 24 23:44:51 2011 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 14:44:51 +1000 Subject: [AccessD] Comparing times in different time zones In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <4EA63EC3.27953.B01C4@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> How are these times being entered into the database? Can't you convert the local time to UTC before saving? The computer where the data is being entered always knows its current offset from UTC. -- Stuart On 24 Oct 2011 at 23:37, Kenneth W Van Huss wrote: > I found a table, but don't recall where, that has the offset for all > the countries with which I am currently dealing. I added a field to > the location table that includes the UTC Offset. So for Iraq, I take > the local time and convert it to UTC/GMT using the offset in the > location table. I take the server time, US Central, and convert it to > UTC/GMT. Now I can compare the time of the event against the time it > was entered into the database. So right now as we write, the > comparison is fine. > > But it will become a maintenance nightmare on an ongoing basis, I > think because these offsets change depending on time of year and > Daylight Savings Time. Keeping in synch will be a real challenge. > What happens for example if an event occurs the morning of transition > to or from DST in a time zone that just changed, and we need to > compare it against server time 8 time zones away, which has not yet > switched to DST. > > I guess I can't see the forest for the trees right now and need some > clarity. Any ideas are greatly appreciated. > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darryl > Collins Sent: Monday, October 24, 2011 10:27 PM To: Access Developers > discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Comparing times > in different time zones > > Bloody hell Ken, > > That is going to be a struggle to get right given all the Local time > zones you are going to need to deal with. Just in Oz alone it is a > mess with some states on Daylight saving time and other states ignore > it. This leads to stupid situations where you will have two cities in > the same zone being 1 hour apart. > > I am sure Australia doesn't have a monopoly on this sort of weirdness. > > I deal a lot with Asia and the US and Africa these days so I use this > website <> to keep track of > different times, maybe it can help you out? > > I guess it depends on where you are grabbing the offset from and if it > is automatically updated or not? > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kenneth W > Van Huss Sent: Tuesday, 25 October 2011 2:13 PM To: Access Developers > discussion and problem solving Subject: [AccessD] Comparing times in > different time zones > > I have an unmet challenge relating to comparing times in different > time zones. User on the other side of the world, literally enters > time of an event. When the user saves the record in the database that > time is captured, though the time is the server time, located in US > central time zone. Using UTC offset I have "normalized" the times to > UTC to compare against one another to ensure the record was entered > within a certain amount of time. The challenge I see down the road is > Day Light Savings time and the impact that will have on the offset. > Anyone experience this before? > > > > Thanks! > > Ken > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From Gustav at cactus.dk Tue Oct 25 02:56:20 2011 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 09:56:20 +0200 Subject: [AccessD] Comparing times in different time zones Message-ID: Hi Ken There are two methods. One is to convert any time recorded to UTC before storing it. Then everything is "normalised", and times can be directly compared. The other is to record the time as local time including (most likely in a separate field) the current offset (including a DST value) between local time and UTC. Then local time can be directly compared, and time can easily be converted to compare with time of UTC or other time zones. Some of the latest database engines can store date/time including an offset from UTC in a single field. /gustav >>> kvanhuss at airrsystem.com 25-10-2011 05:13 >>> I have an unmet challenge relating to comparing times in different time zones. User on the other side of the world, literally enters time of an event. When the user saves the record in the database that time is captured, though the time is the server time, located in US central time zone. Using UTC offset I have "normalized" the times to UTC to compare against one another to ensure the record was entered within a certain amount of time. The challenge I see down the road is Day Light Savings time and the impact that will have on the offset. Anyone experience this before? Thanks! Ken From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Tue Oct 25 06:07:31 2011 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 07:07:31 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Syncing Virtual Machines Message-ID: <4EA69873.7000104@colbyconsulting.com> I have a virtual machine server (Colby-VM) and last weekend I rebuilt that machine - new motherboard / memory in preparation for a faster CPU etc. I store all my stuff on a RAID array on a dedicated controller, and which survives nicely across upgrades so I got lazy and did not backup. (almost) Everything that could go wrong did and by the end of the experience I was sweating bullets about whether I was going to find one of my critical VMs. I did get all the VMs back, but this brought me to the question of how the pros migrate machines from server to server. My SQL Server (Azul) has Windows 2008 with Hyper-V installed and I am wondering how to cause a VM to be kept synced on two servers so that it can just fire up and go when the usual VM server has to be brought down. Hyper-V has an "export / import" but that takes a loooong time to perform. Is anyone out there involved in this stuff and do you have any answers to this problem? I would love to be able to just shut the machine down on one server and bring it up on the other. My impression is that it is possible to migrate without even shutting down the VM. How is this magic done? -- John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it From rusty.hammond at cpiqpc.com Tue Oct 25 09:05:13 2011 From: rusty.hammond at cpiqpc.com (Rusty Hammond) Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 09:05:13 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Syncing Virtual Machines In-Reply-To: <4EA69873.7000104@colbyconsulting.com> References: <4EA69873.7000104@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <49A286ABF515E94A8505CD14DEB721701744A265@CPIEMAIL-EVS1.CPIQPC.NET> I don't know the details, but in our environment we have two servers running off the same SAN in a failover cluster. They have to be configured as active and failover and may require an enterprise version of SQL? It also allows us to do upgrades to each machine while the sql instance keeps on running. I found this link for more info: http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms189134.aspx HTH Rusty -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2011 6:08 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving; VBA; Sqlserver-Dba Subject: [AccessD] Syncing Virtual Machines I have a virtual machine server (Colby-VM) and last weekend I rebuilt that machine - new motherboard / memory in preparation for a faster CPU etc. I store all my stuff on a RAID array on a dedicated controller, and which survives nicely across upgrades so I got lazy and did not backup. (almost) Everything that could go wrong did and by the end of the experience I was sweating bullets about whether I was going to find one of my critical VMs. I did get all the VMs back, but this brought me to the question of how the pros migrate machines from server to server. My SQL Server (Azul) has Windows 2008 with Hyper-V installed and I am wondering how to cause a VM to be kept synced on two servers so that it can just fire up and go when the usual VM server has to be brought down. Hyper-V has an "export / import" but that takes a loooong time to perform. Is anyone out there involved in this stuff and do you have any answers to this problem? I would love to be able to just shut the machine down on one server and bring it up on the other. My impression is that it is possible to migrate without even shutting down the VM. How is this magic done? -- John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com ********************************************************************** WARNING: All e-mail sent to and from this address will be received, scanned or otherwise recorded by the CPI Qualified Plan Consultants, Inc. corporate e-mail system and is subject to archival, monitoring or review by, and/or disclosure to, someone other than the recipient. ********************************************************************** From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Tue Oct 25 10:00:53 2011 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 11:00:53 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] [dba-SQLServer] Syncing Virtual Machines In-Reply-To: <4EA6BC19.6080207@colbyconsulting.com> References: <4EA69873.7000104@colbyconsulting.com> <-3381981045989815633@unknownmsgid> <4EA6BC19.6080207@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <4EA6CF25.1030809@colbyconsulting.com> I have to say that Microsoft's VM system is just unfriendly. I understand that this stuff is complicated but that is all the more reason for Microsoft to spend the time to make it easier. 1) I have no idea the "why" behind this stuff but you cannot simply select the xml file and "mount" a VM. 2) If you "export" a vm then it can be imported. 3) AFAICT you cannot export a vm while it is running. The export menu item simply isn't there. 4) The export fails to a share on another machine on the directory. 5) The accepted fix is to add "machine" to the objects that the share allows and then select the source machine. 6) "Machine" is not a selection (on my machine) so I can't do that. 7) Even for people who are able to and try that, it only works some of the time. 8) When it fails it gives a generic "means nothing except it didn't work" error message. 9) There is no "backup", you have to "register" Hyper-V with the backup service / role. 10) Doing that requires a somewhat extensive manual modification to the registry. 11) Even if you can, the backup process is almost impossible to make happen unless you are backing up to identical machines. Two hours later I am no closer to getting a real automated backup happening of my virtual machines. I am now copying the files themselves. As I have always done in the past, because I ran into this same brick wall every time. :( 12) Having done that I cannot simply mount it on the machine I am copying it to. I have to manually create the machine on that destination machine and start it. Can you say "Frankenstein monster"? VMS are just way cool technology. Until you have to maintain them. John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it >>> On Tue, Oct 25, 2011 at 7:07 AM, jwcolbywrote: >>> >>>> I have a virtual machine server (Colby-VM) and last weekend I rebuilt that >>>> machine - new motherboard / memory in preparation for a faster CPU etc. I >>>> store all my stuff on a RAID array on a dedicated controller, and which >>>> survives nicely across upgrades so I got lazy and did not backup. (almost) >>>> Everything that could go wrong did and by the end of the experience I was >>>> sweating bullets about whether I was going to find one of my critical VMs. >>>> >>>> From dbdoug at gmail.com Tue Oct 25 11:14:34 2011 From: dbdoug at gmail.com (Doug Steele) Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 09:14:34 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Problem with .Net and Access Message-ID: Hello All: I have two very similar .Net 4.0 websites which use Access back ends. The first site runs on a Windows 7 server with IIS7 and has no problem accessing the Access back end in a multi user environment. The second site runs OK on my development machine on Win 7 and IIS7. I am trying to get the second site to run on the client's Windows XP server with IIS5.1. It runs perfectly well as long as it has exclusive access to the back end db, but as soon as the back end db is opened by another user, I get a "Could not use ''; file already in use" message. The connection strings in the two sites are identical. Does anyone have any suggestions? Thanks, Doug From Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com Tue Oct 25 11:16:46 2011 From: Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com (Kaup, Chester) Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 11:16:46 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Data Type Mismatch in Criteria Expression Message-ID: <0B2BF8524B73A248A2F1B81BA751ED3C1988A42280@houex1.kindermorgan.com> The following criteria generates the data type mismatch in criteria expression error. The field PID is a text field. What am I missing? Expr1: IIf(Right([ConfigMaster].[PID],1)="S" Or Right([ConfigMaster].[PID],1)="L", Right([ConfigMaster].[PID],Len([ConfigMaster].[PID]-4)),2) The following works correctly Expr1: IIf(Right([ConfigMaster].[PID],1)="S" Or Right([ConfigMaster].[PID],1)="L",1,2) Chester Kaup Engineering Technician Kinder Morgan CO2 Company, LLP Office (432) 688-3797 FAX (432) 688-3799 ? No trees were killed in the sending of this message. However a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced. From Gustav at cactus.dk Tue Oct 25 11:24:25 2011 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 18:24:25 +0200 Subject: [AccessD] Data Type Mismatch in Criteria Expression Message-ID: Hi Chester It should read: .. Len([ConfigMaster].[PID])-4 /gustav >>> Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com 25-10-2011 18:16:46 >>> The following criteria generates the data type mismatch in criteria expression error. The field PID is a text field. What am I missing? Expr1: IIf(Right([ConfigMaster].[PID],1)="S" Or Right([ConfigMaster].[PID],1)="L", Right([ConfigMaster].[PID],Len([ConfigMaster].[PID]-4)),2) The following works correctly Expr1: IIf(Right([ConfigMaster].[PID],1)="S" Or Right([ConfigMaster].[PID],1)="L",1,2) Chester Kaup Engineering Technician Kinder Morgan CO2 Company, LLP Office (432) 688-3797 FAX (432) 688-3799 No trees were killed in the sending of this message. However a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced. From jm.hwsn at gmail.com Tue Oct 25 11:26:09 2011 From: jm.hwsn at gmail.com (jm.hwsn) Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 11:26:09 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Data Type Mismatch in Criteria Expression In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4ea6e323.2015640a.606e.ffff90fe@mx.google.com> I thought it should read: ... Len([ConfigMaster].[PID],-4) -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2011 11:24 AM To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [AccessD] Data Type Mismatch in Criteria Expression Hi Chester It should read: .. Len([ConfigMaster].[PID])-4 /gustav >>> Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com 25-10-2011 18:16:46 >>> The following criteria generates the data type mismatch in criteria expression error. The field PID is a text field. What am I missing? Expr1: IIf(Right([ConfigMaster].[PID],1)="S" Or Right([ConfigMaster].[PID],1)="L", Right([ConfigMaster].[PID],Len([ConfigMaster].[PID]-4)),2) The following works correctly Expr1: IIf(Right([ConfigMaster].[PID],1)="S" Or Right([ConfigMaster].[PID],1)="L",1,2) Chester Kaup Engineering Technician Kinder Morgan CO2 Company, LLP Office (432) 688-3797 FAX (432) 688-3799 No trees were killed in the sending of this message. However a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced. -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com Tue Oct 25 11:28:39 2011 From: Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com (Kaup, Chester) Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 11:28:39 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Data Type Mismatch in Criteria Expression In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0B2BF8524B73A248A2F1B81BA751ED3C1988A4228C@houex1.kindermorgan.com> Thanks! Been looking at it to long. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2011 11:24 AM To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [AccessD] Data Type Mismatch in Criteria Expression Hi Chester It should read: .. Len([ConfigMaster].[PID])-4 /gustav >>> Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com 25-10-2011 18:16:46 >>> The following criteria generates the data type mismatch in criteria expression error. The field PID is a text field. What am I missing? Expr1: IIf(Right([ConfigMaster].[PID],1)="S" Or Right([ConfigMaster].[PID],1)="L", Right([ConfigMaster].[PID],Len([ConfigMaster].[PID]-4)),2) The following works correctly Expr1: IIf(Right([ConfigMaster].[PID],1)="S" Or Right([ConfigMaster].[PID],1)="L",1,2) Chester Kaup Engineering Technician Kinder Morgan CO2 Company, LLP Office (432) 688-3797 FAX (432) 688-3799 No trees were killed in the sending of this message. However a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced. -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com Tue Oct 25 11:36:16 2011 From: Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com (Kaup, Chester) Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 11:36:16 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Data Type Mismatch in Criteria Expression In-Reply-To: <4ea6e323.2015640a.606e.ffff90fe@mx.google.com> References: <4ea6e323.2015640a.606e.ffff90fe@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <0B2BF8524B73A248A2F1B81BA751ED3C1988A42290@houex1.kindermorgan.com> Len([ConfigMaster].[PID])-4 is correct. The way I had it I was trying to subtract an integer from a text field. Just doesn't work. I wanted to change the result of the Len function. Thanks all. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jm.hwsn Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2011 11:26 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Data Type Mismatch in Criteria Expression I thought it should read: ... Len([ConfigMaster].[PID],-4) -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2011 11:24 AM To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [AccessD] Data Type Mismatch in Criteria Expression Hi Chester It should read: .. Len([ConfigMaster].[PID])-4 /gustav >>> Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com 25-10-2011 18:16:46 >>> The following criteria generates the data type mismatch in criteria expression error. The field PID is a text field. What am I missing? Expr1: IIf(Right([ConfigMaster].[PID],1)="S" Or Right([ConfigMaster].[PID],1)="L", Right([ConfigMaster].[PID],Len([ConfigMaster].[PID]-4)),2) The following works correctly Expr1: IIf(Right([ConfigMaster].[PID],1)="S" Or Right([ConfigMaster].[PID],1)="L",1,2) Chester Kaup Engineering Technician Kinder Morgan CO2 Company, LLP Office (432) 688-3797 FAX (432) 688-3799 No trees were killed in the sending of this message. However a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced. -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jm.hwsn at gmail.com Tue Oct 25 11:38:46 2011 From: jm.hwsn at gmail.com (jm.hwsn) Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 11:38:46 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Data Type Mismatch in Criteria Expression In-Reply-To: <0B2BF8524B73A248A2F1B81BA751ED3C1988A4228C@houex1.kindermorgan.com> References: <0B2BF8524B73A248A2F1B81BA751ED3C1988A4228C@houex1.kindermorgan.com> Message-ID: <4ea6e618.04bc650a.53e9.610a@mx.google.com> Boy, I feel stupid. In my previous email, I really blew it. Talk about the aha moment. Sorry for irritating the electrons... and waste of bandwidth. Jim -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kaup, Chester Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2011 11:29 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Data Type Mismatch in Criteria Expression Thanks! Been looking at it to long. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2011 11:24 AM To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [AccessD] Data Type Mismatch in Criteria Expression Hi Chester It should read: .. Len([ConfigMaster].[PID])-4 /gustav >>> Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com 25-10-2011 18:16:46 >>> The following criteria generates the data type mismatch in criteria expression error. The field PID is a text field. What am I missing? Expr1: IIf(Right([ConfigMaster].[PID],1)="S" Or Right([ConfigMaster].[PID],1)="L", Right([ConfigMaster].[PID],Len([ConfigMaster].[PID]-4)),2) The following works correctly Expr1: IIf(Right([ConfigMaster].[PID],1)="S" Or Right([ConfigMaster].[PID],1)="L",1,2) Chester Kaup Engineering Technician Kinder Morgan CO2 Company, LLP Office (432) 688-3797 FAX (432) 688-3799 No trees were killed in the sending of this message. However a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced. -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jimdettman at verizon.net Tue Oct 25 12:33:46 2011 From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman) Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 13:33:46 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Problem with .Net and Access In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Doug, Given that the strings are identical, a first guess would be permissions. Make sure the Web server account and the other user both have full privs (read, write, delete) for the DB directory. Also that you don't have two DB's in the directory with the same base name (ie. myApp.MDB and myApp.MDW). If you do, the LDB file will end up with the same name in both cases and all kinds of weird things will happen. Finally, make sure it's not being virus scanned at open. Those are all the usual culprits. Jim. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Doug Steele Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2011 12:15 PM To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com Subject: [AccessD] Problem with .Net and Access Hello All: I have two very similar .Net 4.0 websites which use Access back ends. The first site runs on a Windows 7 server with IIS7 and has no problem accessing the Access back end in a multi user environment. The second site runs OK on my development machine on Win 7 and IIS7. I am trying to get the second site to run on the client's Windows XP server with IIS5.1. It runs perfectly well as long as it has exclusive access to the back end db, but as soon as the back end db is opened by another user, I get a "Could not use ''; file already in use" message. The connection strings in the two sites are identical. Does anyone have any suggestions? Thanks, Doug -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From dbdoug at gmail.com Tue Oct 25 13:17:46 2011 From: dbdoug at gmail.com (Doug Steele) Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 11:17:46 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Problem with .Net and Access In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks, Jim. Setting the 'ASPNET' user to have full permissions on the folder containing the database has fixed the problem. The default permissions were read only. Can you explain why this is required when the .mdb is already opened by another user, but isn't necessary when the website is the only 'user' opening the .mdb file? You still have to be able to write to a folder to open the .mdb. Doug On Tue, Oct 25, 2011 at 10:33 AM, Jim Dettman wrote: > Make sure the Web server account and the other user both have full privs > (read, write, delete) for the DB directory. > From charlotte.foust at gmail.com Tue Oct 25 16:47:02 2011 From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust) Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 14:47:02 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Problem with .Net and Access In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Last one out has to be able to delete the ldb file. If they don't have full permissions, that isn't possible. If they don't have write permissions, they can't be entered into the ldb file, and if they don't have create permissions, they can't create it if they're the first ones in. Charlotte Foust On Tue, Oct 25, 2011 at 11:17 AM, Doug Steele wrote: > Thanks, Jim. > > Setting the 'ASPNET' user to have full permissions on the folder containing > the database has fixed the problem. The default permissions were read > only. > > Can you explain why this is required when the .mdb is already opened by > another user, but isn't necessary when the website is the only 'user' > opening the .mdb file? You still have to be able to write to a folder to > open the .mdb. > > Doug > > > On Tue, Oct 25, 2011 at 10:33 AM, Jim Dettman >wrote: > > > Make sure the Web server account and the other user both have full privs > > (read, write, delete) for the DB directory. > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > From jedi at charm.net Tue Oct 25 17:12:21 2011 From: jedi at charm.net (Michael Bahr) Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 18:12:21 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [AccessD] Syncing Virtual Machines In-Reply-To: <4EA69873.7000104@colbyconsulting.com> References: <4EA69873.7000104@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <3433.24.35.110.201.1319580741.squirrel@mail.expedient.net> > I did get all the VMs back, but this brought me to the question of how the > pros migrate machines > from server to server. My SQL Server (Azul) has Windows 2008 with Hyper-V > installed and I am > wondering how to cause a VM to be kept synced on two servers so that it > can just fire up and go when > the usual VM server has to be brought down. Hyper-V has an "export / > import" but that takes a > loooong time to perform. I have used VirtualBox and VMWare Player/Workstation and these have an option of "I have moved it" or "I have copied it". So this means you can either copy or move **all** the vm parts to another computer and then fire up that mechines' VM device and tell it where the parts are. If I understand your question. Mike... From vbacreations at gmail.com Tue Oct 25 20:20:27 2011 From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson) Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 21:20:27 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Value List ListBox retuning Null instead of one of its Columns Message-ID: I have a listbox. It is ValueList rowsourceType. That rowsource is 001005065;HOLLISTON MILLS INC I am trying to query the column property in order to get HOLLISTON MILLS INC but it is coming back as null ?lstCompany.Column(0,1) Null ?lstCompany.Column(0,0) 001005065 ?lstCompany.columncount 2 ?lstCompany.rowsource 001005065;HOLLISTON MILLS INC Can someone tell me if there is a different property I am supposed to use? Nothing is selected in the listbox, it is a single-row listbox specifically designed to hold a value in a hidden column (in this case '001005065') and display the other value ('HOLLISTON MILLS INC') which it does wonderfully, but it is not giving me access to the second column. Note: I am very aware I can, since I know the rowsource, parse it and retrieve the HOLLISTON MILLS INC part .. that is my current workaround. but I would like to better understand what is going on. Thanks!!! From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Tue Oct 25 21:13:29 2011 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 22:13:29 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Syncing Virtual Machines In-Reply-To: <3433.24.35.110.201.1319580741.squirrel@mail.expedient.net> References: <4EA69873.7000104@colbyconsulting.com> <3433.24.35.110.201.1319580741.squirrel@mail.expedient.net> Message-ID: <4EA76CC9.60101@colbyconsulting.com> I used VMWare for perhaps 2 years but when I installed Windows 2008 and Hyper-V suddenly VMWare stopped working. If I understand it right, the two do not co-exist which makes sense seeing as both are trying to "own" the hardware for virtualizing it for the VMs. In any event I now use Hyper-V. John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it On 10/25/2011 6:12 PM, Michael Bahr wrote: > > >> I did get all the VMs back, but this brought me to the question of how the >> pros migrate machines >> from server to server. My SQL Server (Azul) has Windows 2008 with Hyper-V >> installed and I am >> wondering how to cause a VM to be kept synced on two servers so that it >> can just fire up and go when >> the usual VM server has to be brought down. Hyper-V has an "export / >> import" but that takes a >> loooong time to perform. > > I have used VirtualBox and VMWare Player/Workstation and these have an > option of "I have moved it" or "I have copied it". So this means you can > either copy or move **all** the vm parts to another computer and then fire > up that mechines' VM device and tell it where the parts are. If I > understand your question. > > > Mike... > > From darren at activebilling.com.au Tue Oct 25 22:58:21 2011 From: darren at activebilling.com.au (Darren - Active Billing) Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2011 14:58:21 +1100 Subject: [AccessD] Value List ListBox retuning Null instead of one of its Columns Message-ID: <01d901cc9393$81d6df00$85849d00$@activebilling.com.au> Hi William The no of columns in the property sheet of the list box is critical in this scenario If you have the number of columns set to one then access interprets each delimiter (In this case semi-colon) as a new record rather than a new column of the same record. e.g. 001005065 becomes column 1 of record 1 HOLLISTON MILLS INC becomes column1 of record 2 instead of being column 2 of record 1 Hope this helps Darren -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Benson Sent: Wednesday, 26 October 2011 12:20 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: [AccessD] Value List ListBox retuning Null instead of one of its Columns I have a listbox. It is ValueList rowsourceType. That rowsource is 001005065;HOLLISTON MILLS INC I am trying to query the column property in order to get HOLLISTON MILLS INC but it is coming back as null ?lstCompany.Column(0,1) Null ?lstCompany.Column(0,0) 001005065 ?lstCompany.columncount 2 ?lstCompany.rowsource 001005065;HOLLISTON MILLS INC Can someone tell me if there is a different property I am supposed to use? Nothing is selected in the listbox, it is a single-row listbox specifically designed to hold a value in a hidden column (in this case '001005065') and display the other value ('HOLLISTON MILLS INC') which it does wonderfully, but it is not giving me access to the second column. Note: I am very aware I can, since I know the rowsource, parse it and retrieve the HOLLISTON MILLS INC part .. that is my current workaround. but I would like to better understand what is going on. Thanks!!! -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From vbacreations at gmail.com Wed Oct 26 00:40:08 2011 From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson) Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2011 01:40:08 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Value List ListBox retuning Null instead of one of its Columns In-Reply-To: <01d901cc9393$81d6df00$85849d00$@activebilling.com.au> References: <01d901cc9393$81d6df00$85849d00$@activebilling.com.au> Message-ID: It does! I think excel does it reversed? On Oct 25, 2011 11:59 PM, "Darren - Active Billing" < darren at activebilling.com.au> wrote: > Hi William > The no of columns in the property sheet of the list box is critical in this > scenario > If you have the number of columns set to one then access interprets each > delimiter (In this case semi-colon) as a new record rather than a new > column > of the same record. > e.g. 001005065 becomes column 1 of record 1 > HOLLISTON MILLS INC becomes column1 of record 2 instead of being column 2 > of > record 1 > Hope this helps > Darren > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Benson > Sent: Wednesday, 26 October 2011 12:20 PM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: [AccessD] Value List ListBox retuning Null instead of one of its > Columns > > I have a listbox. It is ValueList rowsourceType. That rowsource is > > 001005065;HOLLISTON MILLS INC > > I am trying to query the column property in order to get HOLLISTON MILLS > INC > > but it is coming back as null > > ?lstCompany.Column(0,1) > Null > ?lstCompany.Column(0,0) > 001005065 > ?lstCompany.columncount > 2 > ?lstCompany.rowsource > 001005065;HOLLISTON MILLS INC > > Can someone tell me if there is a different property I am supposed to use? > > Nothing is selected in the listbox, it is a single-row listbox specifically > designed to hold a value in a hidden column (in this case '001005065') and > display the other value ('HOLLISTON MILLS INC') which it does wonderfully, > but it is not giving me access to the second column. > > Note: I am very aware I can, since I know the rowsource, parse it and > retrieve the HOLLISTON MILLS INC part .. that is my current workaround. but > I would like to better understand what is going on. > > Thanks!!! > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From vbacreations at gmail.com Wed Oct 26 00:42:41 2011 From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson) Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2011 01:42:41 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Value List ListBox retuning Null instead of one of its Columns In-Reply-To: <01d901cc9393$81d6df00$85849d00$@activebilling.com.au> References: <01d901cc9393$81d6df00$85849d00$@activebilling.com.au> Message-ID: Reading your answer more closely... not sure related since I have the right number of columns. The issue was that column property in access listbox is (Col,row). I had it reversed. On Oct 25, 2011 11:59 PM, "Darren - Active Billing" < darren at activebilling.com.au> wrote: > Hi William > The no of columns in the property sheet of the list box is critical in this > scenario > If you have the number of columns set to one then access interprets each > delimiter (In this case semi-colon) as a new record rather than a new > column > of the same record. > e.g. 001005065 becomes column 1 of record 1 > HOLLISTON MILLS INC becomes column1 of record 2 instead of being column 2 > of > record 1 > Hope this helps > Darren > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Benson > Sent: Wednesday, 26 October 2011 12:20 PM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: [AccessD] Value List ListBox retuning Null instead of one of its > Columns > > I have a listbox. It is ValueList rowsourceType. That rowsource is > > 001005065;HOLLISTON MILLS INC > > I am trying to query the column property in order to get HOLLISTON MILLS > INC > > but it is coming back as null > > ?lstCompany.Column(0,1) > Null > ?lstCompany.Column(0,0) > 001005065 > ?lstCompany.columncount > 2 > ?lstCompany.rowsource > 001005065;HOLLISTON MILLS INC > > Can someone tell me if there is a different property I am supposed to use? > > Nothing is selected in the listbox, it is a single-row listbox specifically > designed to hold a value in a hidden column (in this case '001005065') and > display the other value ('HOLLISTON MILLS INC') which it does wonderfully, > but it is not giving me access to the second column. > > Note: I am very aware I can, since I know the rowsource, parse it and > retrieve the HOLLISTON MILLS INC part .. that is my current workaround. but > I would like to better understand what is going on. > > Thanks!!! > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From Gustav at cactus.dk Wed Oct 26 05:27:19 2011 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2011 12:27:19 +0200 Subject: [AccessD] Value List ListBox retuning Null instead of one of its Columns Message-ID: Hi William As you one row only, the row parameter is of no use. So: ?lstCompany.Column(0) 001005065 ?lstCompany.Column(1) HOLLISTON MILLS INC ?lstCompany.columncount 2 ?lstCompany.rowsource 001005065;HOLLISTON MILLS INC If you insist: ?lstCompany.Column(0,0) 001005065 ?lstCompany.Column(1,0) HOLLISTON MILLS INC /gustav >>> vbacreations at gmail.com 26-10-2011 03:20 >>> I have a listbox. It is ValueList rowsourceType. That rowsource is 001005065;HOLLISTON MILLS INC I am trying to query the column property in order to get HOLLISTON MILLS INC but it is coming back as null ?lstCompany.Column(0,1) Null ?lstCompany.Column(0,0) 001005065 ?lstCompany.columncount 2 ?lstCompany.rowsource 001005065;HOLLISTON MILLS INC Can someone tell me if there is a different property I am supposed to use? Nothing is selected in the listbox, it is a single-row listbox specifically designed to hold a value in a hidden column (in this case '001005065') and display the other value ('HOLLISTON MILLS INC') which it does wonderfully, but it is not giving me access to the second column. Note: I am very aware I can, since I know the rowsource, parse it and retrieve the HOLLISTON MILLS INC part .. that is my current workaround. but I would like to better understand what is going on. Thanks!!! From jimdettman at verizon.net Wed Oct 26 06:14:57 2011 From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman) Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2011 07:14:57 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Problem with .Net and Access In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: If the LDB file can't be created, a DB is opened exclusive. Ditto if the LDB file is there, but can't be written to. Jim. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Doug Steele Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2011 02:18 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Problem with .Net and Access Thanks, Jim. Setting the 'ASPNET' user to have full permissions on the folder containing the database has fixed the problem. The default permissions were read only. Can you explain why this is required when the .mdb is already opened by another user, but isn't necessary when the website is the only 'user' opening the .mdb file? You still have to be able to write to a folder to open the .mdb. Doug On Tue, Oct 25, 2011 at 10:33 AM, Jim Dettman wrote: > Make sure the Web server account and the other user both have full privs > (read, write, delete) for the DB directory. > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From dbdoug at gmail.com Wed Oct 26 09:52:40 2011 From: dbdoug at gmail.com (Doug Steele) Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2011 07:52:40 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Problem with .Net and Access In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks, that explains it - all these years and I didn't know that! Doug On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 4:14 AM, Jim Dettman wrote: > > If the LDB file can't be created, a DB is opened exclusive. Ditto if the > LDB file is there, but can't be written to. > > Jim. > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Doug Steele > Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2011 02:18 PM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Problem with .Net and Access > > Thanks, Jim. > > Setting the 'ASPNET' user to have full permissions on the folder containing > the database has fixed the problem. The default permissions were read > only. > > Can you explain why this is required when the .mdb is already opened by > another user, but isn't necessary when the website is the only 'user' > opening the .mdb file? You still have to be able to write to a folder to > open the .mdb. > > Doug > > > On Tue, Oct 25, 2011 at 10:33 AM, Jim Dettman >wrote: > > > Make sure the Web server account and the other user both have full privs > > (read, write, delete) for the DB directory. > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From vbacreations at gmail.com Wed Oct 26 20:49:36 2011 From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson (VBACreations.Com)) Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2011 21:49:36 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Known Bugs List in A2K7/10 In-Reply-To: <004a01cc8f99$8944af90$9bce0eb0$@net> References: <4E9E8A33.5135.61C4375@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <000901cc8eca$ac281df0$047859d0$@gmail.com> <004a01cc8f99$8944af90$9bce0eb0$@net> Message-ID: <000f01cc944a$af0e9140$0d2bb3c0$@gmail.com> How about this (forgive if posted already) In the VBE, I go to paste code from one form's code module to another ... and Access prompts me to save! I haven't figured out what the implications are of saying yes or no, since I normally will save shortly after doing this - but usually not immediately. It also generally closes some or another object that might be loaded. From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au Wed Oct 26 23:39:20 2011 From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins) Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 04:39:20 +0000 Subject: [AccessD] Known Bugs List in A2K7/10 In-Reply-To: <000f01cc944a$af0e9140$0d2bb3c0$@gmail.com> References: <4E9E8A33.5135.61C4375@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <000901cc8eca$ac281df0$047859d0$@gmail.com> <004a01cc8f99$8944af90$9bce0eb0$@net> <000f01cc944a$af0e9140$0d2bb3c0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55C824D@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com> Right.... Found PITA (1) when using Split Forms. Nice idea, but guess what. They don't' work at all on TABBED forms. Way to go MS . Just wasted the last 20 minutes playing around with that, I wonder if I can fake it by putting a table view in the footer? Going to try. Cheers Darryl. From vbacreations at gmail.com Thu Oct 27 00:29:43 2011 From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson (VBACreations.Com)) Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 01:29:43 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Known Bugs List in A2K7/10 References: <4E9E8A33.5135.61C4375@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <000901cc8eca$ac281df0$047859d0$@gmail.com> <004a01cc8f99$8944af90$9bce0eb0$@net> Message-ID: <001401cc9469$6f238ee0$4d6aaca0$@gmail.com> More Ac2010 bugs. Hard to know whether this belongs in a thread of KNOWN bugs, but they are certainly ACTIVE bugs. I am getting a message like [My Database Name] cannot complete this operation. You must stop the code and try again" Thing is, I am not running any code. I only copied an object (like a form) and tried to paste it with a new name in the database window. Furthermore, I also occasionally catch the statusbar showing me a query is running I am not doing anything except modifying some code in design time. This Ac2010 seems very much like a Ghost in the Machine gone wild, and it is not Casper the Friendly either. From delam at zyterra.com Thu Oct 27 06:17:55 2011 From: delam at zyterra.com (Debbie) Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 06:17:55 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Tab delimited text file Message-ID: <1DB987E5-91D4-4BA3-B1ED-98D8FA7F2295@zyterra.com> I have a text file being exported from access 2007 using transfer text. This creates a comma delimited file that has been working fine. The receiving end of this file has asked for a tab delimited file instead. Our attempts to create an export specification to do this has not yielded anything transfer text will acknowledge. Does anyone know how to either fix the export specification or an alternate method? This approach should remain simple and flexible if fields are added in the future. The directive is under no circumstances should I create an ongoing maintainence task for myself. Leaving as is will be suboptimal, but not impossible. Debbie Sent from my iPhone From fuller.artful at gmail.com Thu Oct 27 06:47:25 2011 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 07:47:25 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Tab delimited text file In-Reply-To: <1DB987E5-91D4-4BA3-B1ED-98D8FA7F2295@zyterra.com> References: <1DB987E5-91D4-4BA3-B1ED-98D8FA7F2295@zyterra.com> Message-ID: I have had the same problem in the past and failed to come up with a strictly-Access solution, so I adopted a more primitive method -- my favourite text editor (NoteTab). It is lightning-quick and makes it a cinch to do a global-replace, so I searched for "," and replaced it with "^T" (which in NoteTab nomenclature means "Tab"). NoteTab can handle extremely large files, too. I'm sure that other text editors can do this too. Arthur On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 7:17 AM, Debbie wrote: > I have a text file being exported from access 2007 using transfer text. > This creates a comma delimited file that has been working fine. The > receiving end of this file has asked for a tab delimited file instead. Our > attempts to create an export specification to do this has not yielded > anything transfer text will acknowledge. Does anyone know how to either fix > the export specification or an alternate method? > > From paul.hartland at googlemail.com Thu Oct 27 06:56:00 2011 From: paul.hartland at googlemail.com (Paul Hartland) Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 12:56:00 +0100 Subject: [AccessD] Tab delimited text file In-Reply-To: References: <1DB987E5-91D4-4BA3-B1ED-98D8FA7F2295@zyterra.com> Message-ID: Could you not write a function to export the file line by line, put the file into a recordset, open a text file for exporting to and loop through the recordset and print each line into the file using something like Print #FileNumber, YourRecordset.GetString(, , vbTab, vbCrLf, ""); Has worked for me in the past. On 27 October 2011 12:47, Arthur Fuller wrote: > I have had the same problem in the past and failed to come up with a > strictly-Access solution, so I adopted a more primitive method -- my > favourite text editor (NoteTab). It is lightning-quick and makes it a cinch > to do a global-replace, so I searched for "," and replaced it with "^T" > (which in NoteTab nomenclature means "Tab"). NoteTab can handle extremely > large files, too. I'm sure that other text editors can do this too. > > Arthur > > On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 7:17 AM, Debbie wrote: > > > I have a text file being exported from access 2007 using transfer text. > > This creates a comma delimited file that has been working fine. The > > receiving end of this file has asked for a tab delimited file instead. > Our > > attempts to create an export specification to do this has not yielded > > anything transfer text will acknowledge. Does anyone know how to either > fix > > the export specification or an alternate method? > > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Paul Hartland paul.hartland at googlemail.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Thu Oct 27 07:01:21 2011 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 08:01:21 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Tab delimited text file In-Reply-To: References: <1DB987E5-91D4-4BA3-B1ED-98D8FA7F2295@zyterra.com> Message-ID: That looks like a cleaner solution than my clumsy external method. A. On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 7:56 AM, Paul Hartland wrote: > Could you not write a function to export the file line by line, put the > file > into a recordset, open a text file for exporting to and loop through the > recordset and print each line into the file using something like > > Print #FileNumber, YourRecordset.GetString(, , vbTab, vbCrLf, ""); > > Has worked for me in the past. > > From delam at zyterra.com Thu Oct 27 08:01:44 2011 From: delam at zyterra.com (Debbie) Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 08:01:44 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Tab delimited text file In-Reply-To: References: <1DB987E5-91D4-4BA3-B1ED-98D8FA7F2295@zyterra.com> Message-ID: <354B971B-39DE-4243-A3DA-BFD7A171CBC3@zyterra.com> The line by line method is definitely in consideration. I was hoping for something that would be a little more friendly to the user who developed this db. You never know when someone on this list has the perfect elegant solution. Debbie Sent from my iPhone On Oct 27, 2011, at 7:01 AM, Arthur Fuller wrote: > That looks like a cleaner solution than my clumsy external method. > A. > > On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 7:56 AM, Paul Hartland > wrote: > >> Could you not write a function to export the file line by line, put the >> file >> into a recordset, open a text file for exporting to and loop through the >> recordset and print each line into the file using something like >> >> Print #FileNumber, YourRecordset.GetString(, , vbTab, vbCrLf, ""); >> >> Has worked for me in the past. >> >> > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From dnod at aol.com Thu Oct 27 08:48:12 2011 From: dnod at aol.com (Dean Davids) Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 09:48:12 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Tab delimited text file In-Reply-To: <354B971B-39DE-4243-A3DA-BFD7A171CBC3@zyterra.com> References: <1DB987E5-91D4-4BA3-B1ED-98D8FA7F2295@zyterra.com> <354B971B-39DE-4243-A3DA-BFD7A171CBC3@zyterra.com> Message-ID: <19FFE799-1BF0-428C-A9DE-DBEEE5B728D1@aol.com> Have you considered importing into Excel and then export as tab delimited? I seem to recall that as an option in Excel and that would likely be possible to automate if the user has Excel on PC. Dean S. Davids On Oct 27, 2011, at 9:01 AM, Debbie wrote: > The line by line method is definitely in consideration. I was hoping for something that would be a little more friendly to the user who developed this db. You never know when someone on this list has the perfect elegant solution. > > Debbie > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Oct 27, 2011, at 7:01 AM, Arthur Fuller wrote: > >> That looks like a cleaner solution than my clumsy external method. >> A. >> >> On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 7:56 AM, Paul Hartland >> wrote: >> >>> Could you not write a function to export the file line by line, put the >>> file >>> into a recordset, open a text file for exporting to and loop through the >>> recordset and print each line into the file using something like >>> >>> Print #FileNumber, YourRecordset.GetString(, , vbTab, vbCrLf, ""); >>> >>> Has worked for me in the past. >>> >>> >> -- >> AccessD mailing list >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From paul.hartland at googlemail.com Thu Oct 27 09:06:52 2011 From: paul.hartland at googlemail.com (Paul Hartland) Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 15:06:52 +0100 Subject: [AccessD] Tab delimited text file In-Reply-To: <354B971B-39DE-4243-A3DA-BFD7A171CBC3@zyterra.com> References: <1DB987E5-91D4-4BA3-B1ED-98D8FA7F2295@zyterra.com> <354B971B-39DE-4243-A3DA-BFD7A171CBC3@zyterra.com> Message-ID: Here is a little function I have quickly knocked together, can't find my source, but no reason why it shouldn't work, you pass a recordset to function to export, could also pass the export path name as well if you wanted: Function ExportTabDelimited(rsExport as Recordset) Dim strExportPath as String Dim fnFreeFile strExportPath = "your path and filename here" If not rsExport.BOF and not rsExport.EOF Then rsExport.MoveFirst Open strExportPath For Output As #fnFreeFile Do Until rsExport.EOF Print #fnFileNo, rsExport.GetString(, , vbTab, vbCrLf, ""); rsExport.MoveNext Loop Close #fnFreeFile End If End Function On 27 October 2011 14:01, Debbie wrote: > The line by line method is definitely in consideration. I was hoping for > something that would be a little more friendly to the user who developed > this db. You never know when someone on this list has the perfect elegant > solution. > > Debbie > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Oct 27, 2011, at 7:01 AM, Arthur Fuller > wrote: > > > That looks like a cleaner solution than my clumsy external method. > > A. > > > > On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 7:56 AM, Paul Hartland < > paul.hartland at googlemail.com > >> wrote: > > > >> Could you not write a function to export the file line by line, put the > >> file > >> into a recordset, open a text file for exporting to and loop through the > >> recordset and print each line into the file using something like > >> > >> Print #FileNumber, YourRecordset.GetString(, , vbTab, vbCrLf, ""); > >> > >> Has worked for me in the past. > >> > >> > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Paul Hartland paul.hartland at googlemail.com From ssharkins at gmail.com Thu Oct 27 09:47:04 2011 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 10:47:04 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Convert 2007/2010 to 2003 Message-ID: <931F83B6ACA24D53997914B5D778E7CD@SusanHarkins> I had fudge after breakfast so I guess I'm just in a diabetic fizzy, but... can't you demote a 2007/2010 database back to 2003? I can't find a setting that will convert, within 2010. Am I just missing it or am I expecting too much? Susan H. From fuller.artful at gmail.com Thu Oct 27 09:56:36 2011 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 10:56:36 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Convert 2007/2010 to 2003 In-Reply-To: <931F83B6ACA24D53997914B5D778E7CD@SusanHarkins> References: <931F83B6ACA24D53997914B5D778E7CD@SusanHarkins> Message-ID: I don't use 2010 but I do use 2007, and have found that it is demote-able just fine IF you have not used features unavailable in 2003. However, chances are the reason you moved to 2007 is precisely for its new features, and there's the rub. No quick fix for this problem, methinks. A. On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 10:47 AM, Susan Harkins wrote: > I had fudge after breakfast so I guess I'm just in a diabetic fizzy, but... > can't you demote a 2007/2010 database back to 2003? I can't find a setting > that will convert, within 2010. Am I just missing it or am I expecting too > much? > > Susan H. > From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Thu Oct 27 09:57:48 2011 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 07:57:48 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Tab delimited text file In-Reply-To: <354B971B-39DE-4243-A3DA-BFD7A171CBC3@zyterra.com> References: <1DB987E5-91D4-4BA3-B1ED-98D8FA7F2295@zyterra.com> <354B971B-39DE-4243-A3DA-BFD7A171CBC3@zyterra.com> Message-ID: <99348B128A754AA09535B5BCBBE14017@HAL9007> I'll second the VBA approach. I have used it several times because of the unreliability of the Transfer functions - TransferText, TrasferSpreadsheet, etc. It's not very much code and you have complete control - build the string and output it to your file using Print #. Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software 858-259-4334 www.bchacc.com www.e-z-mrp.com -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Debbie Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2011 6:02 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Tab delimited text file The line by line method is definitely in consideration. I was hoping for something that would be a little more friendly to the user who developed this db. You never know when someone on this list has the perfect elegant solution. Debbie Sent from my iPhone On Oct 27, 2011, at 7:01 AM, Arthur Fuller wrote: > That looks like a cleaner solution than my clumsy external method. > A. > > On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 7:56 AM, Paul Hartland > > wrote: > >> Could you not write a function to export the file line by line, put >> the file into a recordset, open a text file for exporting to and loop >> through the recordset and print each line into the file using >> something like >> >> Print #FileNumber, YourRecordset.GetString(, , vbTab, vbCrLf, ""); >> >> Has worked for me in the past. >> >> > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From ssharkins at gmail.com Thu Oct 27 10:19:38 2011 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 11:19:38 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Convert 2007/2010 to 2003 References: <931F83B6ACA24D53997914B5D778E7CD@SusanHarkins> Message-ID: Not in this case, just wanting to demote a simple demo to 2003. Where's the setting to do that Arthur? I can't find anything. Susan H. >I don't use 2010 but I do use 2007, and have found that it is demote-able > just fine IF you have not used features unavailable in 2003. However, > chances are the reason you moved to 2007 is precisely for its new > features, > and there's the rub. No quick fix for this problem, methinks. > > A. > > On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 10:47 AM, Susan Harkins > wrote: > >> I had fudge after breakfast so I guess I'm just in a diabetic fizzy, >> but... >> can't you demote a 2007/2010 database back to 2003? I can't find a >> setting >> that will convert, within 2010. Am I just missing it or am I expecting >> too >> much? From dw-murphy at cox.net Thu Oct 27 10:27:05 2011 From: dw-murphy at cox.net (Doug Murphy) Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 08:27:05 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Convert 2007/2010 to 2003 In-Reply-To: References: <931F83B6ACA24D53997914B5D778E7CD@SusanHarkins> Message-ID: <00c101cc94bc$e1ffec30$a5ffc490$@cox.net> If you go to the File tab and select Save & Publish you will be able to save an accdb file as an earlier file type. Takes a while to navigate this new ribbon/tab structure, particularly if you're like me and your few remaining functional neurons were used to menus. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2011 8:20 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Convert 2007/2010 to 2003 Not in this case, just wanting to demote a simple demo to 2003. Where's the setting to do that Arthur? I can't find anything. Susan H. >I don't use 2010 but I do use 2007, and have found that it is >demote-able just fine IF you have not used features unavailable in >2003. However, chances are the reason you moved to 2007 is precisely >for its new features, and there's the rub. No quick fix for this >problem, methinks. > > A. > > On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 10:47 AM, Susan Harkins > wrote: > >> I had fudge after breakfast so I guess I'm just in a diabetic fizzy, >> but... >> can't you demote a 2007/2010 database back to 2003? I can't find a >> setting that will convert, within 2010. Am I just missing it or am I >> expecting too much? -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From ab-mi at post3.tele.dk Thu Oct 27 10:29:04 2011 From: ab-mi at post3.tele.dk (Asger Blond) Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 17:29:04 +0200 Subject: [AccessD] Convert 2007/2010 to 2003 In-Reply-To: <931F83B6ACA24D53997914B5D778E7CD@SusanHarkins> References: <931F83B6ACA24D53997914B5D778E7CD@SusanHarkins> Message-ID: On the File Ribbon choose Save & Publish, then highlight Access 2002-2003 Database (*.mdb) and click the Save As button. Asger -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Susan Harkins Sendt: 27. oktober 2011 16:47 Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Emne: [AccessD] Convert 2007/2010 to 2003 I had fudge after breakfast so I guess I'm just in a diabetic fizzy, but... can't you demote a 2007/2010 database back to 2003? I can't find a setting that will convert, within 2010. Am I just missing it or am I expecting too much? Susan H. -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From joeo at appoli.com Thu Oct 27 10:30:50 2011 From: joeo at appoli.com (Joe O'Connell) Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 11:30:50 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Convert 2007/2010 to 2003 In-Reply-To: References: <931F83B6ACA24D53997914B5D778E7CD@SusanHarkins> Message-ID: <1CF20DB644BE124083B31638E5D5C023B4D05C@exch2.Onappsad.net> Susan, File - Save and Publish Select Access 2002-2003 Database Click Save As Joe O'Connell -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2011 11:20 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Convert 2007/2010 to 2003 Not in this case, just wanting to demote a simple demo to 2003. Where's the setting to do that Arthur? I can't find anything. Susan H. >I don't use 2010 but I do use 2007, and have found that it is >demote-able just fine IF you have not used features unavailable in >2003. However, chances are the reason you moved to 2007 is precisely >for its new features, and there's the rub. No quick fix for this >problem, methinks. > > A. > > On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 10:47 AM, Susan Harkins > wrote: > >> I had fudge after breakfast so I guess I'm just in a diabetic fizzy, >> but... >> can't you demote a 2007/2010 database back to 2003? I can't find a >> setting that will convert, within 2010. Am I just missing it or am I >> expecting too much? -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From ssharkins at gmail.com Thu Oct 27 14:42:35 2011 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 15:42:35 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Convert 2007/2010 to 2003 References: <931F83B6ACA24D53997914B5D778E7CD@SusanHarkins> <00c101cc94bc$e1ffec30$a5ffc490$@cox.net> Message-ID: <7A9D3028A75A47BC9247869C0F72B8C5@SusanHarkins> Save & Publish? Oh -- it IS there... just ... why in the world did they put it at the bottom of the list? When I didn't see it with the other Save commands I just figured Access didn't have it. I don't mind the ribbon structure anymore, but geez... that just seems a bit... it doesn't make sense. Thanks! Susan H. > If you go to the File tab and select Save & Publish you will be able to > save > an accdb file as an earlier file type. Takes a while to navigate this new > ribbon/tab structure, particularly if you're like me and your few > remaining > functional neurons were used to menus. From ssharkins at gmail.com Thu Oct 27 14:44:42 2011 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 15:44:42 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Convert 2007/2010 to 2003 References: <931F83B6ACA24D53997914B5D778E7CD@SusanHarkins> Message-ID: <4548CF1FB6914A5D8D9A2CF2A75EB188@SusanHarkins> After working through it again after readying Doug's message, I really feel rather stupid now, because I recall showing this very command to someone else last summer. :( He insisted it couldn't be done and I knew it could. So why the lapse this morning -- oh yeah... it was that fudge. I'd say I needed a vacation, but I really just need a long rest and some strong meds. Susan H. > > On the File Ribbon choose Save & Publish, then highlight Access 2002-2003 > Database (*.mdb) and click the Save As button. > > Asger > -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- > I had fudge after breakfast so I guess I'm just in a diabetic fizzy, > but... can't you demote a 2007/2010 database back to 2003? I can't find a > setting that will convert, within 2010. Am I just missing it or am I > expecting too much? From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Thu Oct 27 15:19:43 2011 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 06:19:43 +1000 Subject: [AccessD] Tab delimited text file In-Reply-To: References: <1DB987E5-91D4-4BA3-B1ED-98D8FA7F2295@zyterra.com>, <354B971B-39DE-4243-A3DA-BFD7A171CBC3@zyterra.com>, Message-ID: <4EA9BCDF.22754.DAFB532@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> And here's a DAO version I've quickly knocked up (not tested): Function ExportTab(RSName As String, FileName As String) As Boolean Dim rs As DAO.Recordset Dim ff As Long Dim x As Long Dim strtemp As String On Error GoTo errtrap ff = FreeFile Set rs = CurrentDb.OpenRecordset(RSName) Open FileName For Output As #ff While Not rs.EOF strtemp = rs(0) For x = 1 To rs.Fields.Count - 1 strtemp = strTemp & vbTab & rs(x) Next strtemp = strtemp & vbCrLf Print #ff, strtemp rs.MoveNext Wend Close #ff rs.Close Set rs = Nothing ExportTab = True Exit Function errtrap: MsgBox "Error: " & Err.Description & " in Function ExportTab()" End Function On 27 Oct 2011 at 15:06, Paul Hartland wrote: > Here is a little function I have quickly knocked together, can't find > my source, but no reason why it shouldn't work, you pass a recordset > to function to export, could also pass the export path name as well if > you wanted: From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Thu Oct 27 15:40:23 2011 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 16:40:23 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Convert 2007/2010 to 2003 In-Reply-To: <4548CF1FB6914A5D8D9A2CF2A75EB188@SusanHarkins> References: <931F83B6ACA24D53997914B5D778E7CD@SusanHarkins> <4548CF1FB6914A5D8D9A2CF2A75EB188@SusanHarkins> Message-ID: <4EA9C1B7.1080106@colbyconsulting.com> LOL. I thought fudge was strong meds. Was it chocolate? ;) John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it On 10/27/2011 3:44 PM, Susan Harkins wrote: > After working through it again after readying Doug's message, I really feel rather stupid now, > because I recall showing this very command to someone else last summer. :( He insisted it couldn't > be done and I knew it could. So why the lapse this morning -- oh yeah... it was that fudge. > > I'd say I needed a vacation, but I really just need a long rest and some strong meds. > > Susan H. > > >> >> On the File Ribbon choose Save & Publish, then highlight Access 2002-2003 Database (*.mdb) and >> click the Save As button. >> >> Asger >> -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- >> I had fudge after breakfast so I guess I'm just in a diabetic fizzy, but... can't you demote a >> 2007/2010 database back to 2003? I can't find a setting that will convert, within 2010. Am I just >> missing it or am I expecting too much? > From Lambert.Heenan at chartisinsurance.com Thu Oct 27 15:49:55 2011 From: Lambert.Heenan at chartisinsurance.com (Heenan, Lambert) Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 16:49:55 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Tab delimited text file In-Reply-To: <4EA9BCDF.22754.DAFB532@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: <1DB987E5-91D4-4BA3-B1ED-98D8FA7F2295@zyterra.com>, <354B971B-39DE-4243-A3DA-BFD7A171CBC3@zyterra.com>, <4EA9BCDF.22754.DAFB532@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: One small bug fix and the addition of the ability to include the field names... Function ExportTab(RSName As String, FileName As String, Optional boolIncludeFieldNames As Boolean = True) As Boolean Dim rs As DAO.Recordset Dim ff As Long Dim x As Long Dim strtemp As String On Error GoTo errtrap ff = FreeFile Set rs = CurrentDb.OpenRecordset(RSName) Open FileName For Output As #ff If boolIncludeFieldNames Then For x = 0 To rs.Fields.Count - 1 strtemp = strtemp & rs.Fields(x).Name If x < rs.Fields.Count - 1 Then strtemp = strtemp & vbTab End If Next x Print #ff, strtemp End If While Not rs.EOF strtemp = rs(0) For x = 1 To rs.Fields.Count - 1 strtemp = strtemp & vbTab & rs(x) Next strtemp = strtemp ' & vbCrLf = don't need this. Print #ff implies a CRLF at the end Print #ff, strtemp rs.MoveNext Wend Close #ff rs.Close Set rs = Nothing ExportTab = True Exit Function errtrap: MsgBox "Error: " & Err.Description & " in Function ExportTab()" End Function Lambert -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2011 4:20 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Tab delimited text file And here's a DAO version I've quickly knocked up (not tested): Function ExportTab(RSName As String, FileName As String) As Boolean Dim rs As DAO.Recordset Dim ff As Long Dim x As Long Dim strtemp As String On Error GoTo errtrap ff = FreeFile Set rs = CurrentDb.OpenRecordset(RSName) Open FileName For Output As #ff While Not rs.EOF strtemp = rs(0) For x = 1 To rs.Fields.Count - 1 strtemp = strTemp & vbTab & rs(x) Next strtemp = strtemp & vbCrLf Print #ff, strtemp rs.MoveNext Wend Close #ff rs.Close Set rs = Nothing ExportTab = True Exit Function errtrap: MsgBox "Error: " & Err.Description & " in Function ExportTab()" End Function On 27 Oct 2011 at 15:06, Paul Hartland wrote: > Here is a little function I have quickly knocked together, can't find > my source, but no reason why it shouldn't work, you pass a recordset > to function to export, could also pass the export path name as well if > you wanted: -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From ssharkins at gmail.com Thu Oct 27 16:12:58 2011 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 17:12:58 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Convert 2007/2010 to 2003 References: <931F83B6ACA24D53997914B5D778E7CD@SusanHarkins><4548CF1FB6914A5D8D9A2CF2A75EB188@SusanHarkins> <4EA9C1B7.1080106@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <5DFBD39E82214578BE63319639B813A9@SusanHarkins> Yes, chocolate walnut. :) You're right, it is strong medicine! ;) They should call me Fudge Woman! Susan H. > LOL. I thought fudge was strong meds. Was it chocolate? > From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Thu Oct 27 16:36:22 2011 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 14:36:22 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Convert 2007/2010 to 2003 In-Reply-To: <5DFBD39E82214578BE63319639B813A9@SusanHarkins> References: <931F83B6ACA24D53997914B5D778E7CD@SusanHarkins><4548CF1FB6914A5D8D9A2CF2A75EB188@SusanHarkins><4EA9C1B7.1080106@colbyconsulting.com> <5DFBD39E82214578BE63319639B813A9@SusanHarkins> Message-ID: Fudge- it's not just for breakfast anymore...or in Kentucky, maybe it is... R -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2011 2:13 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Convert 2007/2010 to 2003 Yes, chocolate walnut. :) You're right, it is strong medicine! ;) They should call me Fudge Woman! Susan H. > LOL. I thought fudge was strong meds. Was it chocolate? > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From ssharkins at gmail.com Thu Oct 27 16:56:14 2011 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 17:56:14 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Convert 2007/2010 to 2003 References: <931F83B6ACA24D53997914B5D778E7CD@SusanHarkins><4548CF1FB6914A5D8D9A2CF2A75EB188@SusanHarkins><4EA9C1B7.1080106@colbyconsulting.com><5DFBD39E82214578BE63319639B813A9@SusanHarkins> Message-ID: <7DDA255BAEAD45569BAA29235DAECFAD@SusanHarkins> Well, I did actually eat breakfast first -- boiled egg and one piece of wheat toast. I earned that fudge buddy... ;) Susan H. > Fudge- it's not just for breakfast anymore...or in Kentucky, maybe it > is... > From ab-mi at post3.tele.dk Thu Oct 27 17:00:24 2011 From: ab-mi at post3.tele.dk (Asger Blond) Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 00:00:24 +0200 Subject: [AccessD] Convert 2007/2010 to 2003 In-Reply-To: <4548CF1FB6914A5D8D9A2CF2A75EB188@SusanHarkins> References: <931F83B6ACA24D53997914B5D778E7CD@SusanHarkins> <4548CF1FB6914A5D8D9A2CF2A75EB188@SusanHarkins> Message-ID: <583166B70BDA4C739F306EA21ADBDCE2@abpc> Intuition was the main reason for Microsoft when replacing the old menu UI with the ribbon UI. As a *design idea* the ribbon UI may be good. But as *implemented* it is just awful - i.e. the opposite of its idea: it's untidy, not intuitive. This is not special for Access - the implementation is just as careless in Excel. Asger -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Susan Harkins Sendt: 27. oktober 2011 21:45 Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Emne: Re: [AccessD] Convert 2007/2010 to 2003 After working through it again after readying Doug's message, I really feel rather stupid now, because I recall showing this very command to someone else last summer. :( He insisted it couldn't be done and I knew it could. So why the lapse this morning -- oh yeah... it was that fudge. I'd say I needed a vacation, but I really just need a long rest and some strong meds. Susan H. > > On the File Ribbon choose Save & Publish, then highlight Access 2002-2003 > Database (*.mdb) and click the Save As button. > > Asger > -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- > I had fudge after breakfast so I guess I'm just in a diabetic fizzy, > but... can't you demote a 2007/2010 database back to 2003? I can't find a > setting that will convert, within 2010. Am I just missing it or am I > expecting too much? -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From ssharkins at gmail.com Thu Oct 27 17:14:59 2011 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 18:14:59 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Convert 2007/2010 to 2003 References: <931F83B6ACA24D53997914B5D778E7CD@SusanHarkins><4548CF1FB6914A5D8D9A2CF2A75EB188@SusanHarkins> <583166B70BDA4C739F306EA21ADBDCE2@abpc> Message-ID: I agreed, initially, but I don't now. Once acclimated, I can pretty much find everything, well, as long as there's no fudge involved. :) Susan H. > Intuition was the main reason for Microsoft when replacing the old menu UI > with the ribbon UI. > As a *design idea* the ribbon UI may be good. But as *implemented* it is > just awful - i.e. the opposite of its idea: it's untidy, not intuitive. > This is not special for Access - the implementation is just as careless in > Excel. > Asger From ab-mi at post3.tele.dk Thu Oct 27 18:13:27 2011 From: ab-mi at post3.tele.dk (Asger Blond) Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 01:13:27 +0200 Subject: [AccessD] Convert 2007/2010 to 2003 In-Reply-To: References: <931F83B6ACA24D53997914B5D778E7CD@SusanHarkins><4548CF1FB6914A5D8D9A2CF2A75EB188@SusanHarkins><583166B70BDA4C739F306EA21ADBDCE2@abpc> Message-ID: <209639D70DD8483A86670FE0B849743B@abpc> You may be acclimated, but please don't loose your critical sense! Problem is: the ribbon exposes a lot of fudge. Just a couple from Excel - You want to create a new macro by using the macro recorder, and you don't have the Developer tab on the ribbon (which is not there by default). By intuition, which tab would you choose? Insert - nope! Formulas - nope! Data - nope! View - off cause!!! You want to insert a new worksheet. Which tab would you choose? Insert - nope! Just to help you I'll tell it's on the Home tab ... so then in which command group would you expect to find something like "insert a new worksheet"? Actually it's in the command group called "Cells" - as if a worksheet is a member of a cell (that's the child-parent issue, and having children I won't advise turning the hierarchy upside down). And now because you turned me on: One of the most productive innovations in Excel 2007/2010 for database folks is a feature called "Format as table". Great feature which has very little to with formatting (among others it makes it easy to insert new rows and columns in a table, and it makes updating a pivot table much easier than before). But where do you find this grand new feature? Data tab - nope! Insert tab - nope! Right answer is Home tab. So advised you have to find the command group on the tab. Nothing seems to match. But actually it's the Styles group, even if this feature has very little to do which styles and formatting. Asger -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Susan Harkins Sendt: 28. oktober 2011 00:15 Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Emne: Re: [AccessD] Convert 2007/2010 to 2003 I agreed, initially, but I don't now. Once acclimated, I can pretty much find everything, well, as long as there's no fudge involved. :) Susan H. > Intuition was the main reason for Microsoft when replacing the old menu UI > with the ribbon UI. > As a *design idea* the ribbon UI may be good. But as *implemented* it is > just awful - i.e. the opposite of its idea: it's untidy, not intuitive. > This is not special for Access - the implementation is just as careless in > Excel. > Asger -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From marksimms at verizon.net Thu Oct 27 19:58:32 2011 From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms) Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 20:58:32 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Convert 2007/2010 to 2003 In-Reply-To: <209639D70DD8483A86670FE0B849743B@abpc> References: <931F83B6ACA24D53997914B5D778E7CD@SusanHarkins><4548CF1FB6914A5D8D9A2CF2A75EB188@SusanHarkins><583166B70BDA4C739F306EA21ADBDCE2@abpc> <209639D70DD8483A86670FE0B849743B@abpc> Message-ID: <001f01cc950c$b7193350$254b99f0$@net> This is the big problem with the ribbon, but if you use it long enough, Knowing which tab to hit gets to be second-hand. > By intuition, which tab would you choose? Insert - nope! > Formulas - nope! Data - nope! View - off cause!!! > You want to insert a new worksheet. Which tab would you choose? Insert > - nope! Just to help you I'll tell it's on the Home tab ... so then in > which command group would you expect to find something like "insert a From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Thu Oct 27 23:35:54 2011 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 00:35:54 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Convert 2007/2010 to 2003 In-Reply-To: <001f01cc950c$b7193350$254b99f0$@net> References: <931F83B6ACA24D53997914B5D778E7CD@SusanHarkins><4548CF1FB6914A5D8D9A2CF2A75EB188@SusanHarkins><583166B70BDA4C739F306EA21ADBDCE2@abpc> <209639D70DD8483A86670FE0B849743B@abpc> <001f01cc950c$b7193350$254b99f0$@net> Message-ID: <4EAA312A.2090201@colbyconsulting.com> One big issue for me is the mouse centric nature of the ribbon. We learn and learn and learn to use the keyboard. Never lift your hands from the keyboard. Hot keys and menus accomplished that. Ribbons destroy that. John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it On 10/27/2011 8:58 PM, Mark Simms wrote: > This is the big problem with the ribbon, but if you use it long enough, > Knowing which tab to hit gets to be second-hand. > >> By intuition, which tab would you choose? Insert - nope! >> Formulas - nope! Data - nope! View - off cause!!! >> You want to insert a new worksheet. Which tab would you choose? Insert >> - nope! Just to help you I'll tell it's on the Home tab ... so then in >> which command group would you expect to find something like "insert a > > From fuller.artful at gmail.com Thu Oct 27 23:42:08 2011 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 00:42:08 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Convert 2007/2010 to 2003 In-Reply-To: References: <931F83B6ACA24D53997914B5D778E7CD@SusanHarkins> <4548CF1FB6914A5D8D9A2CF2A75EB188@SusanHarkins> <583166B70BDA4C739F306EA21ADBDCE2@abpc> Message-ID: Something I only recently (last month) discovered, and by accident: if you hover the mouse over the ribbon and then use the wheel, you can scroll (as it were) through all the ribbon options soooo quickly. This I think is totally cool. If you didn't already know this, try it. Just hover the mouse over the ribbon bar and then use its wheel and wow! Of course, that's just my opinion, it's only Rock and Roll but I like it. A. On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 6:14 PM, Susan Harkins wrote: > I agreed, initially, but I don't now. Once acclimated, I can pretty much > find everything, well, as long as there's no fudge involved. :) > > Susan H. > > > From fuller.artful at gmail.com Fri Oct 28 00:15:07 2011 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 01:15:07 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] OT: Friday Joke Department Hallowe'en Message-ID: To: George Romero From: Arthur Fuller Re: Jesus and Hallowe'en Synopsis: Since Jesus rose from the dead, that would make him the first zombie. It's the perfect cross-over market, especially appealing to young and impressionable teens, and possibly even appealing to the Amish. A horror movie starring Christ as the lead zombie. What a concept! All kinds of scenes about Hell and Damnation, and so on. Big opportunity for 3D graphics... big flames, rotting flesh, lizards eating you, and interior shots of bacteria eating you from inside out.... Totally kewl, and totally Christian! Working title: Night of the Living Christ. Plus we could roll in some comedy: "Mary, could you get my Nikes? These spikes are killing me." Talk about crossover marketing, not to mention hidden sponsorships. We could have a designated airline ready to fly him to Heaven, complete with logos of the jet, and even cross that over to "New York to London or Heavan in just four hours". I can see this working. Have your zombies call mine, and we'll talk. You have talent and a modicum of success, but I can make you rich! Arthur From ssharkins at gmail.com Fri Oct 28 06:45:06 2011 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 07:45:06 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Convert 2007/2010 to 2003 References: <931F83B6ACA24D53997914B5D778E7CD@SusanHarkins><4548CF1FB6914A5D8D9A2CF2A75EB188@SusanHarkins><583166B70BDA4C739F306EA21ADBDCE2@abpc> Message-ID: <0EB08D1696724FCEBA144E94F568E064@SusanHarkins> Arthur, the folks that hate the ribbon are ... they're irate and they're very vocal. They maintain that because few people champion it that everyone hates it. I keep saying that's not exactly true. The people who have adjusted are just going about their work and they don't care about those conversations. :) I might write about this, so thanks for the reminder. I've mentioned it on the blog before, but can't hurt to mention it again. Another good one is minimizing the ribbon -- that's one of the biggest complaints -- that the ribbon takes up so much room. A quick double-click to a tab minimizes and maximizes it. The ^ sign at the right border does the same thing. Kind of beats the drop and drag stuff anyday, but people like what they're use to. I don't blame them for not being thrilled about the move to the ribbon, but ... it is what it is. It's here, it's staying. Susan H. > Something I only recently (last month) discovered, and by accident: if you > hover the mouse over the ribbon and then use the wheel, you can scroll (as > it were) through all the ribbon options soooo quickly. This I think is > totally cool. If you didn't already know this, try it. Just hover the > mouse > over the ribbon bar and then use its wheel and wow! Of course, that's just > my opinion, it's only Rock and Roll but I like it. From fuller.artful at gmail.com Fri Oct 28 06:59:57 2011 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 07:59:57 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Convert 2007/2010 to 2003 In-Reply-To: <0EB08D1696724FCEBA144E94F568E064@SusanHarkins> References: <931F83B6ACA24D53997914B5D778E7CD@SusanHarkins> <4548CF1FB6914A5D8D9A2CF2A75EB188@SusanHarkins> <583166B70BDA4C739F306EA21ADBDCE2@abpc> <0EB08D1696724FCEBA144E94F568E064@SusanHarkins> Message-ID: I think that Micorosft got right in the ribbon design. Yes, it took me a while to get the hang of it, so seasoned am I in the old school of menu design, but persistence and the discovery of the wheel's new power, I find myself a huge fan of this UI. Just my $0.02. A. From jm.hwsn at gmail.com Fri Oct 28 07:33:36 2011 From: jm.hwsn at gmail.com (jm.hwsn) Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 07:33:36 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Convert 2007/2010 to 2003 In-Reply-To: <0EB08D1696724FCEBA144E94F568E064@SusanHarkins> References: <931F83B6ACA24D53997914B5D778E7CD@SusanHarkins><4548CF1FB6914A5D8D9A2CF2A75EB188@SusanHarkins><583166B70BDA4C739F306EA21ADBDCE2@abpc> <0EB08D1696724FCEBA144E94F568E064@SusanHarkins> Message-ID: <4eaaa121.1b08650a.6e69.ffffcca3@mx.google.com> And if you're like John... an accomplished keyboard user. Ctrl-F1 will also minimize or maximize the ribbon. Jim H. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins Sent: Friday, October 28, 2011 6:45 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Convert 2007/2010 to 2003 Arthur, the folks that hate the ribbon are ... they're irate and they're very vocal. They maintain that because few people champion it that everyone hates it. I keep saying that's not exactly true. The people who have adjusted are just going about their work and they don't care about those conversations. :) I might write about this, so thanks for the reminder. I've mentioned it on the blog before, but can't hurt to mention it again. Another good one is minimizing the ribbon -- that's one of the biggest complaints -- that the ribbon takes up so much room. A quick double-click to a tab minimizes and maximizes it. The ^ sign at the right border does the same thing. Kind of beats the drop and drag stuff anyday, but people like what they're use to. I don't blame them for not being thrilled about the move to the ribbon, but ... it is what it is. It's here, it's staying. Susan H. > Something I only recently (last month) discovered, and by accident: if you > hover the mouse over the ribbon and then use the wheel, you can scroll (as > it were) through all the ribbon options soooo quickly. This I think is > totally cool. If you didn't already know this, try it. Just hover the > mouse > over the ribbon bar and then use its wheel and wow! Of course, that's just > my opinion, it's only Rock and Roll but I like it. -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Gustav at cactus.dk Fri Oct 28 07:38:14 2011 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 14:38:14 +0200 Subject: [AccessD] Convert 2007/2010 to 2003 Message-ID: Hi Susan That's my experience too. Users get used to the ribbon and most new machines have a preinstalled Office 2010 ... slowly the menus become "old-school". In PowerPoint which I rarely use, the ribbon is a life-saver for me. Every feature is at hand with dynamic preview - for once I experienced to be in control at the first meeting with a powerful application. I have yet to experience the scroll feature mentioned by Arthur. /gustav >>> ssharkins at gmail.com 28-10-2011 13:45 >>> Arthur, the folks that hate the ribbon are ... they're irate and they're very vocal. They maintain that because few people champion it that everyone hates it. I keep saying that's not exactly true. The people who have adjusted are just going about their work and they don't care about those conversations. :) I might write about this, so thanks for the reminder. I've mentioned it on the blog before, but can't hurt to mention it again. Another good one is minimizing the ribbon -- that's one of the biggest complaints -- that the ribbon takes up so much room. A quick double-click to a tab minimizes and maximizes it. The ^ sign at the right border does the same thing. Kind of beats the drop and drag stuff anyday, but people like what they're use to. I don't blame them for not being thrilled about the move to the ribbon, but ... it is what it is. It's here, it's staying. Susan H. > Something I only recently (last month) discovered, and by accident: if you > hover the mouse over the ribbon and then use the wheel, you can scroll (as > it were) through all the ribbon options soooo quickly. This I think is > totally cool. If you didn't already know this, try it. Just hover the mouse > over the ribbon bar and then use its wheel and wow! Of course, that's just > my opinion, it's only Rock and Roll but I like it. From marksimms at verizon.net Fri Oct 28 08:06:16 2011 From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms) Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 09:06:16 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Convert 2007/2010 to 2003 In-Reply-To: <4EAA312A.2090201@colbyconsulting.com> References: <931F83B6ACA24D53997914B5D778E7CD@SusanHarkins><4548CF1FB6914A5D8D9A2CF2A75EB188@SusanHarkins><583166B70BDA4C739F306EA21ADBDCE2@abpc> <209639D70DD8483A86670FE0B849743B@abpc> <001f01cc950c$b7193350$254b99f0$@net> <4EAA312A.2090201@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <001a01cc9572$61562e30$24028a90$@net> John - there are hot-keys. In fact in my applications, I try to establish them for the users...however, it's tricky because some appear to be reserved. What's really needed is a lot more documentation...of course. The RibbonX book was good, but it still (after 800+ pages !) was not enough for me. The problem is: there's so very few Access developers remaining that use 2007, and even less that use 2010. In fact, this post: http://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forums/en/accessdev/thread/422e15f1-9a44-4e 0c-bd1c-9b878ac12f06 seems to indicate that those trying 2010, are going back to 2003 !! Me ? I love the challenge of "working around" the bugs. Others ?:NO TOLERANCE. > One big issue for me is the mouse centric nature of the ribbon. We > learn and learn and learn to use > the keyboard. Never lift your hands from the keyboard. Hot keys and > menus accomplished that. > Ribbons destroy that. From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Fri Oct 28 09:03:38 2011 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 10:03:38 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Convert 2007/2010 to 2003 In-Reply-To: <4eaaa121.1b08650a.6e69.ffffcca3@mx.google.com> References: <931F83B6ACA24D53997914B5D778E7CD@SusanHarkins><4548CF1FB6914A5D8D9A2CF2A75EB188@SusanHarkins><583166B70BDA4C739F306EA21ADBDCE2@abpc> <0EB08D1696724FCEBA144E94F568E064@SusanHarkins> <4eaaa121.1b08650a.6e69.ffffcca3@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <4EAAB63A.3030705@colbyconsulting.com> And when the toolbar is minimized are all of the hotkeys back? The menus actually responded to the hotkeys, dropping down the menu, pulling out the submenu items etc. A visual response to what the hotkey was doing for you (when it was menu items of course). John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it On 10/28/2011 8:33 AM, jm.hwsn wrote: > And if you're like John... an accomplished keyboard user. > Ctrl-F1 will also minimize or maximize the ribbon. > > Jim H. > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins > Sent: Friday, October 28, 2011 6:45 AM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Convert 2007/2010 to 2003 > > Arthur, the folks that hate the ribbon are ... they're irate and they're > very vocal. They maintain that because few people champion it that everyone > hates it. I keep saying that's not exactly true. The people who have > adjusted are just going about their work and they don't care about those > conversations. :) > > I might write about this, so thanks for the reminder. I've mentioned it on > the blog before, but can't hurt to mention it again. Another good one is > minimizing the ribbon -- that's one of the biggest complaints -- that the > ribbon takes up so much room. A quick double-click to a tab minimizes and > maximizes it. The ^ sign at the right border does the same thing. Kind of > beats the drop and drag stuff anyday, but people like what they're use to. I > > don't blame them for not being thrilled about the move to the ribbon, but > ... it is what it is. It's here, it's staying. > > Susan H. > > >> Something I only recently (last month) discovered, and by accident: if you >> hover the mouse over the ribbon and then use the wheel, you can scroll (as >> it were) through all the ribbon options soooo quickly. This I think is >> totally cool. If you didn't already know this, try it. Just hover the >> mouse >> over the ribbon bar and then use its wheel and wow! Of course, that's just >> my opinion, it's only Rock and Roll but I like it. > From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Fri Oct 28 09:10:34 2011 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 10:10:34 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] firefox recent browse history Message-ID: <4EAAB7DA.4020405@colbyconsulting.com> In previous versions of Firefox there was a drop down arrow next to the back / forward buttons in the address bar. That drop down would allow you to see and move directly to a recently browsed page. For example I go to a review, I go through 16 pages of the review, I can then drop down this history arrow and see the page 16 pages back and go there directly to "reset" my location. I am now back in that browse location and can page forward or back from that browse location. Now I have to "page back" 16 times to get back to the point where I started reading this review. That is a huge step backwards to me in terms of convenience. Is that old history control available anymore? Can I get it back somehow? -- John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Fri Oct 28 09:26:24 2011 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 10:26:24 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Convert 2007/2010 to 2003 In-Reply-To: <001a01cc9572$61562e30$24028a90$@net> References: <931F83B6ACA24D53997914B5D778E7CD@SusanHarkins><4548CF1FB6914A5D8D9A2CF2A75EB188@SusanHarkins><583166B70BDA4C739F306EA21ADBDCE2@abpc> <209639D70DD8483A86670FE0B849743B@abpc> <001f01cc950c$b7193350$254b99f0$@net> <4EAA312A.2090201@colbyconsulting.com> <001a01cc9572$61562e30$24028a90$@net> Message-ID: <4EAABB90.6090102@colbyconsulting.com> Mark, I fall in the no tolerance category. I tend to love new stuff, but I also have to make a living and when things just cripple my productivity I move slowly. When bugs cripple my productivity I just wait for the bugs to go away before I go there. When they don't fix the bugs I don't go there at all. Office 2000 was a huge rewrite of 97, but buggy. Office 2002 (XP) was just a massive bug fix. Office 2003 was another massive bug fix. Office 2007 was a massive bug injection. Office 2010 was another massive bug injection. Say what you want but (like Windows XP) Office 2003 was the most stable version of the product they ever released. IMHO Windows 2007 has achieved that "very stable" status and I am now moving all my machines to Windows 2007. IMHO Office 2007 has not reached that status. They never fixed the bugs before they released Office 2010, and Office 2010 added new bugs on top of the bugs introduced (and not fixed) in Office 2007. So I wait. For development Office 2003 is rock solid and stable and (mostly) just runs under Office 2007. I actually do use Office 2007 runtime because it gives me "free license" to distribute the app, but I do the dev under Office 2003 and then just test under Office 2007. John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it On 10/28/2011 9:06 AM, Mark Simms wrote: > John - there are hot-keys. In fact in my applications, I try to establish > them for the users...however, it's tricky because some appear to be > reserved. What's really needed is a lot more documentation...of course. > The RibbonX book was good, but it still (after 800+ pages !) was not enough > for me. > The problem is: there's so very few Access developers remaining that use > 2007, and even less that use 2010. > In fact, this post: > http://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forums/en/accessdev/thread/422e15f1-9a44-4e > 0c-bd1c-9b878ac12f06 > seems to indicate that those trying 2010, are going back to 2003 !! > Me ? I love the challenge of "working around" the bugs. Others ?:NO > TOLERANCE. > >> One big issue for me is the mouse centric nature of the ribbon. We >> learn and learn and learn to use >> the keyboard. Never lift your hands from the keyboard. Hot keys and >> menus accomplished that. >> Ribbons destroy that. > > From dnod at aol.com Fri Oct 28 09:39:38 2011 From: dnod at aol.com (Dean Davids) Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 10:39:38 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Convert 2007/2010 to 2003 In-Reply-To: <4EAABB90.6090102@colbyconsulting.com> References: <931F83B6ACA24D53997914B5D778E7CD@SusanHarkins> <4548CF1FB6914A5D8D9A2CF2A75EB188@SusanHarkins> <583166B70BDA4C739F306EA21ADBDCE2@abpc> <209639D70DD8483A86670FE0B849743B@abpc> <001f01cc950c$b7193350$254b99f0$@net> <4EAA312A.2090201@colbyconsulting.com> <001a01cc9572$61562e30$24028a90$@net> <4EAABB90.6090102@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <37C0EC0D-76AD-48C0-8067-B915D58A15BE@aol.com> I am right with you, John. I stuck with 97 for the longest time and will do the same now with 2003. Dean S. Davids www.cmbscorp.com 954-868-4421 On Oct 28, 2011, at 10:26 AM, jwcolby wrote: > Mark, > > I fall in the no tolerance category. I tend to love new stuff, but I also have to make a living and when things just cripple my productivity I move slowly. When bugs cripple my productivity I just wait for the bugs to go away before I go there. When they don't fix the bugs I don't go there at all. > > Office 2000 was a huge rewrite of 97, but buggy. Office 2002 (XP) was just a massive bug fix. Office 2003 was another massive bug fix. Office 2007 was a massive bug injection. Office 2010 was another massive bug injection. > > Say what you want but (like Windows XP) Office 2003 was the most stable version of the product they ever released. IMHO Windows 2007 has achieved that "very stable" status and I am now moving all my machines to Windows 2007. > > IMHO Office 2007 has not reached that status. They never fixed the bugs before they released Office 2010, and Office 2010 added new bugs on top of the bugs introduced (and not fixed) in Office 2007. > > So I wait. For development Office 2003 is rock solid and stable and (mostly) just runs under Office 2007. I actually do use Office 2007 runtime because it gives me "free license" to distribute the app, but I do the dev under Office 2003 and then just test under Office 2007. > > John W. Colby > Colby Consulting > > Reality is what refuses to go away > when you do not believe in it > > On 10/28/2011 9:06 AM, Mark Simms wrote: >> John - there are hot-keys. In fact in my applications, I try to establish >> them for the users...however, it's tricky because some appear to be >> reserved. What's really needed is a lot more documentation...of course. >> The RibbonX book was good, but it still (after 800+ pages !) was not enough >> for me. >> The problem is: there's so very few Access developers remaining that use >> 2007, and even less that use 2010. >> In fact, this post: >> http://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forums/en/accessdev/thread/422e15f1-9a44-4e >> 0c-bd1c-9b878ac12f06 >> seems to indicate that those trying 2010, are going back to 2003 !! >> Me ? I love the challenge of "working around" the bugs. Others ?:NO >> TOLERANCE. >> >>> One big issue for me is the mouse centric nature of the ribbon. We >>> learn and learn and learn to use >>> the keyboard. Never lift your hands from the keyboard. Hot keys and >>> menus accomplished that. >>> Ribbons destroy that. >> >> > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jedi at charm.net Fri Oct 28 11:31:27 2011 From: jedi at charm.net (Michael Bahr) Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 12:31:27 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [AccessD] firefox recent browse history In-Reply-To: <4EAAB7DA.4020405@colbyconsulting.com> References: <4EAAB7DA.4020405@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <1128.24.35.110.201.1319819487.squirrel@mail.expedient.net> You must be using 4.0. :-( Mike... > In previous versions of Firefox there was a drop down arrow next to the > back / forward buttons in > the address bar. That drop down would allow you to see and move directly > to a recently browsed > page. For example I go to a review, I go through 16 pages of the review, > I can then drop down this > history arrow and see the page 16 pages back and go there directly to > "reset" my location. I am now > back in that browse location and can page forward or back from that browse > location. > > Now I have to "page back" 16 times to get back to the point where I > started reading this review. > That is a huge step backwards to me in terms of convenience. > > Is that old history control available anymore? Can I get it back somehow? > > -- > John W. Colby > Colby Consulting > > Reality is what refuses to go away > when you do not believe in it > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From Lambert.Heenan at chartisinsurance.com Fri Oct 28 12:15:33 2011 From: Lambert.Heenan at chartisinsurance.com (Heenan, Lambert) Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 13:15:33 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Convert 2007/2010 to 2003 In-Reply-To: <4EAAB63A.3030705@colbyconsulting.com> References: <931F83B6ACA24D53997914B5D778E7CD@SusanHarkins><4548CF1FB6914A5D8D9A2CF2A75EB188@SusanHarkins><583166B70BDA4C739F306EA21ADBDCE2@abpc> <0EB08D1696724FCEBA144E94F568E064@SusanHarkins> <4eaaa121.1b08650a.6e69.ffffcca3@mx.google.com> <4EAAB63A.3030705@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: Mozilla has taken a leaf out of the Chrome book. To access a tab's history list click the back or forward arrows and hold the mouse button down. After a moment or two you will see the list of sites you can choose from. Lambert -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: Friday, October 28, 2011 10:04 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Convert 2007/2010 to 2003 And when the toolbar is minimized are all of the hotkeys back? The menus actually responded to the hotkeys, dropping down the menu, pulling out the submenu items etc. A visual response to what the hotkey was doing for you (when it was menu items of course). John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it On 10/28/2011 8:33 AM, jm.hwsn wrote: > And if you're like John... an accomplished keyboard user. > Ctrl-F1 will also minimize or maximize the ribbon. > > Jim H. > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan > Harkins > Sent: Friday, October 28, 2011 6:45 AM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Convert 2007/2010 to 2003 > > Arthur, the folks that hate the ribbon are ... they're irate and > they're very vocal. They maintain that because few people champion it > that everyone hates it. I keep saying that's not exactly true. The > people who have adjusted are just going about their work and they > don't care about those conversations. :) > > I might write about this, so thanks for the reminder. I've mentioned > it on the blog before, but can't hurt to mention it again. Another > good one is minimizing the ribbon -- that's one of the biggest > complaints -- that the ribbon takes up so much room. A quick > double-click to a tab minimizes and maximizes it. The ^ sign at the > right border does the same thing. Kind of beats the drop and drag > stuff anyday, but people like what they're use to. I > > don't blame them for not being thrilled about the move to the ribbon, > but ... it is what it is. It's here, it's staying. > > Susan H. > > >> Something I only recently (last month) discovered, and by accident: >> if you hover the mouse over the ribbon and then use the wheel, you >> can scroll (as it were) through all the ribbon options soooo quickly. >> This I think is totally cool. If you didn't already know this, try >> it. Just hover the mouse over the ribbon bar and then use its wheel >> and wow! Of course, that's just my opinion, it's only Rock and Roll >> but I like it. > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Fri Oct 28 12:51:16 2011 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 13:51:16 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Office 2010 outlook Message-ID: <4EAAEB94.2010806@colbyconsulting.com> Does this not have an object library? I program to the Outlook library. I have 2003 installed and 2010 installed. BOTH outlooks appear to be installed although in the past the install clearly prevented this and actively uninstalled the other, if you know what I mean. In Access code references I have Microsoft Outlook 11.0 object library checked, and I get no compile errors but it gives an error if I try to run the code. 11.0 reference says it is in the 2003 install directory. I don't find another outlook object library at all although Outlook 2010 actually runs. Is this a reinstall thing? -- John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it From marksimms at verizon.net Fri Oct 28 12:52:41 2011 From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms) Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 13:52:41 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Convert 2007/2010 to 2003 In-Reply-To: <4EAABB90.6090102@colbyconsulting.com> References: <931F83B6ACA24D53997914B5D778E7CD@SusanHarkins><4548CF1FB6914A5D8D9A2CF2A75EB188@SusanHarkins><583166B70BDA4C739F306EA21ADBDCE2@abpc> <209639D70DD8483A86670FE0B849743B@abpc> <001f01cc950c$b7193350$254b99f0$@net> <4EAA312A.2090201@colbyconsulting.com> <001a01cc9572$61562e30$24028a90$@net> <4EAABB90.6090102@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <005701cc959a$6409ae40$2c1d0ac0$@net> John - I've done all I can to move Microsoft into the direction of quality with their products. Their corporate "culture" seems to be running against this concept. This would explain why their stock price has languished for a decade. Bill Gates started with the philosophy of writing it so it was "good enough, not perfect". Unfortunately, the "good enough" standard at MSFT is now very much lower than when he was in charge. From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Fri Oct 28 12:53:02 2011 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 13:53:02 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Further to outlook problem Message-ID: <4EAAEBFE.1080603@colbyconsulting.com> Mapi32.dll is corrupt ot wrong version. -- John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it From ssharkins at gmail.com Fri Oct 28 13:01:02 2011 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 14:01:02 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Office 2010 outlook References: <4EAAEB94.2010806@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: You can't install two versions of Outlook on the same system. Susan H. > Does this not have an object library? I program to the Outlook library. > I have 2003 installed and 2010 installed. BOTH outlooks appear to be > installed although in the past the install clearly prevented this and > actively uninstalled the other, if you know what I mean. > > In Access code references I have Microsoft Outlook 11.0 object library > checked, and I get no compile errors but it gives an error if I try to run > the code. 11.0 reference says it is in the 2003 install directory. I > don't find another outlook object library at all although Outlook 2010 > actually runs. > > Is this a reinstall thing? From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Fri Oct 28 13:37:52 2011 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 14:37:52 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Office 2010 outlook In-Reply-To: References: <4EAAEB94.2010806@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <4EAAF680.6030604@colbyconsulting.com> I got news for ya... the install is not doing its job. John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it On 10/28/2011 2:01 PM, Susan Harkins wrote: > You can't install two versions of Outlook on the same system. > > Susan H. > > >> Does this not have an object library? I program to the Outlook library. I have 2003 installed and >> 2010 installed. BOTH outlooks appear to be installed although in the past the install clearly >> prevented this and actively uninstalled the other, if you know what I mean. >> >> In Access code references I have Microsoft Outlook 11.0 object library checked, and I get no >> compile errors but it gives an error if I try to run the code. 11.0 reference says it is in the >> 2003 install directory. I don't find another outlook object library at all although Outlook 2010 >> actually runs. >> >> Is this a reinstall thing? > From ssharkins at gmail.com Fri Oct 28 13:55:38 2011 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 14:55:38 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Office 2010 outlook References: <4EAAEB94.2010806@colbyconsulting.com> <4EAAF680.6030604@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <4C73E508C6D8402DA84E078112A0B18E@SusanHarkins> It shouldn't give you an option to install a new version while keeping the old one -- did it do that? It's been so long ago, I don't really recall, but the cold hard fact is, you can't run two versions on the same system. I'd uninstall both and start over. Susan H. >I got news for ya... > > the install is not doing its job. > > John W. Colby > Colby Consulting > > Reality is what refuses to go away > when you do not believe in it > > On 10/28/2011 2:01 PM, Susan Harkins wrote: >> You can't install two versions of Outlook on the same system. >> >> Susan H. >> From john at winhaven.net Fri Oct 28 15:14:02 2011 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 15:14:02 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Office 2010 outlook In-Reply-To: <4C73E508C6D8402DA84E078112A0B18E@SusanHarkins> References: <4EAAEB94.2010806@colbyconsulting.com> <4EAAF680.6030604@colbyconsulting.com> <4C73E508C6D8402DA84E078112A0B18E@SusanHarkins> Message-ID: <032701cc95ae$229bb660$67d32320$@winhaven.net> You're right Susan. I've tried to keep the old version and it wouldn't allow it. I'm guessing JC has got a botched install or uninstall. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins Sent: Friday, October 28, 2011 1:56 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Office 2010 outlook It shouldn't give you an option to install a new version while keeping the old one -- did it do that? It's been so long ago, I don't really recall, but the cold hard fact is, you can't run two versions on the same system. I'd uninstall both and start over. Susan H. >I got news for ya... > > the install is not doing its job. > > John W. Colby > Colby Consulting > > Reality is what refuses to go away > when you do not believe in it > > On 10/28/2011 2:01 PM, Susan Harkins wrote: >> You can't install two versions of Outlook on the same system. >> >> Susan H. >> -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Lambert.Heenan at chartisinsurance.com Fri Oct 28 15:37:34 2011 From: Lambert.Heenan at chartisinsurance.com (Heenan, Lambert) Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 16:37:34 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] firefox recent browse history In-Reply-To: <1128.24.35.110.201.1319819487.squirrel@mail.expedient.net> References: <4EAAB7DA.4020405@colbyconsulting.com> <1128.24.35.110.201.1319819487.squirrel@mail.expedient.net> Message-ID: Mozilla has taken a leaf out of the Chrome book. To access a tab's history list click the back or forward arrows and hold the mouse button down. After a moment or two you will see the list of sites you can choose from. Lambert -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Michael Bahr Sent: Friday, October 28, 2011 12:31 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] firefox recent browse history You must be using 4.0. :-( Mike... > In previous versions of Firefox there was a drop down arrow next to > the back / forward buttons in the address bar. That drop down would > allow you to see and move directly to a recently browsed page. For > example I go to a review, I go through 16 pages of the review, I can > then drop down this history arrow and see the page 16 pages back and > go there directly to "reset" my location. I am now back in that > browse location and can page forward or back from that browse > location. > > Now I have to "page back" 16 times to get back to the point where I > started reading this review. > That is a huge step backwards to me in terms of convenience. > > Is that old history control available anymore? Can I get it back somehow? > > -- > John W. Colby > Colby Consulting > > Reality is what refuses to go away > when you do not believe in it > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Fri Oct 28 17:48:48 2011 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2011 08:48:48 +1000 Subject: [AccessD] Convert 2007/2010 to 2003 In-Reply-To: <4EAABB90.6090102@colbyconsulting.com> References: <931F83B6ACA24D53997914B5D778E7CD@SusanHarkins>, <001a01cc9572$61562e30$24028a90$@net>, <4EAABB90.6090102@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <4EAB3150.17412.135E85A8@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Hear, Hear! -- Stuart On 28 Oct 2011 at 10:26, jwcolby wrote: > Mark, > > I fall in the no tolerance category. I tend to love new stuff, but I > also have to make a living and when things just cripple my > productivity I move slowly. When bugs cripple my productivity I just > wait for the bugs to go away before I go there. When they don't fix > the bugs I don't go there at all. > > Office 2000 was a huge rewrite of 97, but buggy. Office 2002 (XP) was > just a massive bug fix. Office 2003 was another massive bug fix. > Office 2007 was a massive bug injection. Office 2010 was another > massive bug injection. > > Say what you want but (like Windows XP) Office 2003 was the most > stable version of the product they ever released. IMHO Windows 2007 > has achieved that "very stable" status and I am now moving all my > machines to Windows 2007. > > IMHO Office 2007 has not reached that status. They never fixed the > bugs before they released Office 2010, and Office 2010 added new bugs > on top of the bugs introduced (and not fixed) in Office 2007. > > So I wait. For development Office 2003 is rock solid and stable and > (mostly) just runs under Office 2007. I actually do use Office 2007 > runtime because it gives me "free license" to distribute the app, but > I do the dev under Office 2003 and then just test under Office 2007. > > John W. Colby > Colby Consulting > > Reality is what refuses to go away > when you do not believe in it > > On 10/28/2011 9:06 AM, Mark Simms wrote: > > John - there are hot-keys. In fact in my applications, I try to > > establish them for the users...however, it's tricky because some > > appear to be reserved. What's really needed is a lot more > > documentation...of course. The RibbonX book was good, but it still > > (after 800+ pages !) was not enough for me. The problem is: there's > > so very few Access developers remaining that use 2007, and even less > > that use 2010. In fact, this post: > > http://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forums/en/accessdev/thread/422e15f1 > > -9a44-4e 0c-bd1c-9b878ac12f06 seems to indicate that those trying > > 2010, are going back to 2003 !! Me ? I love the challenge of > > "working around" the bugs. Others ?:NO TOLERANCE. > > > >> One big issue for me is the mouse centric nature of the ribbon. We > >> learn and learn and learn to use the keyboard. Never lift your > >> hands from the keyboard. Hot keys and menus accomplished that. > >> Ribbons destroy that. > > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From kismert at gmail.com Fri Oct 28 18:20:06 2011 From: kismert at gmail.com (Kenneth Ismert) Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 18:20:06 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Convert 2007/2010 to 2003 Message-ID: > > Asger Blond: > Intuition was the main reason for Microsoft when replacing the old menu UI > with the ribbon UI. > As a *design idea* the ribbon UI may be good. But as *implemented* it is > just awful - i.e. the opposite of its idea: it's untidy, not intuitive. > This is not special for Access - the implementation is just as careless in > Excel. > With the ribbon, Microsoft completely catered to new users at the expense of its huge existing base. The more of an Office power user you are, the harder the transition is. But the real poke in the eye is that they didn't even bother to provide a transition tool -- something that would let you pick an option in the old menu structure, then dynamically show it's new location in the ribbon. Does such a utility exist? From kismert at gmail.com Fri Oct 28 18:22:44 2011 From: kismert at gmail.com (Kenneth Ismert) Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 18:22:44 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] firefox recent browse history Message-ID: > > jwcolby > ... > Is that old history control available anymore? Can I get it back somehow? > In my Firefox 7 instance, I can right-click on the 'Forward' and 'Back' buttons, and get a history dropdown. Does this fit the bill? From ab-mi at post3.tele.dk Fri Oct 28 19:24:07 2011 From: ab-mi at post3.tele.dk (Asger Blond) Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2011 02:24:07 +0200 Subject: [AccessD] Convert 2007/2010 to 2003 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4BE155FDE4914E34A8EAADD1B7C72182@abpc> Several utilities exist for this. I.e.: http://www.addintools.com/english/menuoffice/ Asger -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Kenneth Ismert Sendt: 29. oktober 2011 01:20 Til: accessd at databaseadvisors.com Emne: Re: [AccessD] Convert 2007/2010 to 2003 > > Asger Blond: > Intuition was the main reason for Microsoft when replacing the old menu UI > with the ribbon UI. > As a *design idea* the ribbon UI may be good. But as *implemented* it is > just awful - i.e. the opposite of its idea: it's untidy, not intuitive. > This is not special for Access - the implementation is just as careless in > Excel. > With the ribbon, Microsoft completely catered to new users at the expense of its huge existing base. The more of an Office power user you are, the harder the transition is. But the real poke in the eye is that they didn't even bother to provide a transition tool -- something that would let you pick an option in the old menu structure, then dynamically show it's new location in the ribbon. Does such a utility exist? -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From ab-mi at post3.tele.dk Fri Oct 28 19:41:16 2011 From: ab-mi at post3.tele.dk (Asger Blond) Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2011 02:41:16 +0200 Subject: [AccessD] Convert 2007/2010 to 2003 In-Reply-To: <4EAA312A.2090201@colbyconsulting.com> References: <931F83B6ACA24D53997914B5D778E7CD@SusanHarkins><4548CF1FB6914A5D8D9A2CF2A75EB188@SusanHarkins><583166B70BDA4C739F306EA21ADBDCE2@abpc><209639D70DD8483A86670FE0B849743B@abpc><001f01cc950c$b7193350$254b99f0$@net> <4EAA312A.2090201@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: You can sure use hot keys in 2007/2010: Press Alt key, then press the shown keys on the ribbon. Also you are free to add all "old" features by adding them to the "Quick Access Toolbar" on the top of our Office screen. That's great. What I was complaining was not the ribbon UI *per se*, but its *sloppy* implementation in Office 2007/2010. Asger -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af jwcolby Sendt: 28. oktober 2011 06:36 Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Emne: Re: [AccessD] Convert 2007/2010 to 2003 One big issue for me is the mouse centric nature of the ribbon. We learn and learn and learn to use the keyboard. Never lift your hands from the keyboard. Hot keys and menus accomplished that. Ribbons destroy that. John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it On 10/27/2011 8:58 PM, Mark Simms wrote: > This is the big problem with the ribbon, but if you use it long enough, > Knowing which tab to hit gets to be second-hand. > >> By intuition, which tab would you choose? Insert - nope! >> Formulas - nope! Data - nope! View - off cause!!! >> You want to insert a new worksheet. Which tab would you choose? Insert >> - nope! Just to help you I'll tell it's on the Home tab ... so then in >> which command group would you expect to find something like "insert a > > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From kvanhuss at airrsystem.com Fri Oct 28 20:58:10 2011 From: kvanhuss at airrsystem.com (Kenneth W Van Huss) Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 20:58:10 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Excel Subtotal from Access/VBA Message-ID: This is eating my lunch. I am trying to calculate a subtotal in an Excel spreadsheet via automation/VBA Code: Select all With ApXL .Range("A2").Select .Selection.Subtotal GroupBy:=4, Function:=xlSum, TotalList:=Array(12), _ Replace:=True, PageBreaks:=False, SummaryBelowData:=True .ActiveSheet.Outline.ShowLevels RowLevels:=2 .Columns("L:L").Style = "Currency" .Rows("1:1").Font.Bold = True End With I keep getting an error on the ".Selection.sub . .." line. The error message is "The command could not be completed by using the range specified. Select a single cell within the range and try the command again." Any help is greatly appreciated. Ken From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Fri Oct 28 21:51:18 2011 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 22:51:18 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] firefox recent browse history In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4EAB6A26.4070706@colbyconsulting.com> Yes, that is exactly what I was looking for. There used to be a dedicated down arrow control which was removed. I never tried to right click the arrow buttons. Thanks! John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it On 10/28/2011 7:22 PM, Kenneth Ismert wrote: >> >> jwcolby >> ... >> Is that old history control available anymore? Can I get it back somehow? >> > > In my Firefox 7 instance, I can right-click on the 'Forward' and 'Back' > buttons, and get a history dropdown. > > Does this fit the bill? From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Fri Oct 28 21:54:59 2011 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 22:54:59 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] firefox recent browse history In-Reply-To: <1128.24.35.110.201.1319819487.squirrel@mail.expedient.net> References: <4EAAB7DA.4020405@colbyconsulting.com> <1128.24.35.110.201.1319819487.squirrel@mail.expedient.net> Message-ID: <4EAB6B03.1000902@colbyconsulting.com> Nope, 7.0.1. And two right answers so far, Right click the arrows or Click and hold the arrows I never tried either of those things. Thanks guys! John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it On 10/28/2011 12:31 PM, Michael Bahr wrote: > You must be using 4.0. :-( > > Mike... > >> In previous versions of Firefox there was a drop down arrow next to the >> back / forward buttons in >> the address bar. That drop down would allow you to see and move directly >> to a recently browsed >> page. For example I go to a review, I go through 16 pages of the review, >> I can then drop down this >> history arrow and see the page 16 pages back and go there directly to >> "reset" my location. I am now >> back in that browse location and can page forward or back from that browse >> location. >> >> Now I have to "page back" 16 times to get back to the point where I >> started reading this review. >> That is a huge step backwards to me in terms of convenience. >> >> Is that old history control available anymore? Can I get it back somehow? >> >> -- >> John W. Colby >> Colby Consulting >> >> Reality is what refuses to go away >> when you do not believe in it >> -- >> AccessD mailing list >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> > > From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Fri Oct 28 21:55:51 2011 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 22:55:51 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] firefox recent browse history In-Reply-To: References: <4EAAB7DA.4020405@colbyconsulting.com> <1128.24.35.110.201.1319819487.squirrel@mail.expedient.net> Message-ID: <4EAB6B37.7040303@colbyconsulting.com> This method pins the list down which is nice. John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it On 10/28/2011 4:37 PM, Heenan, Lambert wrote: > Mozilla has taken a leaf out of the Chrome book. To access a tab's history list click the back or forward arrows and hold the mouse button down. After a moment or two you will see the list of sites you can choose from. > > Lambert > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Michael Bahr > Sent: Friday, October 28, 2011 12:31 PM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] firefox recent browse history > > You must be using 4.0. :-( > > Mike... > >> In previous versions of Firefox there was a drop down arrow next to >> the back / forward buttons in the address bar. That drop down would >> allow you to see and move directly to a recently browsed page. For >> example I go to a review, I go through 16 pages of the review, I can >> then drop down this history arrow and see the page 16 pages back and >> go there directly to "reset" my location. I am now back in that >> browse location and can page forward or back from that browse >> location. >> >> Now I have to "page back" 16 times to get back to the point where I >> started reading this review. >> That is a huge step backwards to me in terms of convenience. >> >> Is that old history control available anymore? Can I get it back somehow? >> >> -- >> John W. Colby >> Colby Consulting >> >> Reality is what refuses to go away >> when you do not believe in it >> -- >> AccessD mailing list >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From kvanhuss at airrsystem.com Fri Oct 28 22:14:13 2011 From: kvanhuss at airrsystem.com (Kenneth W Van Huss) Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 22:14:13 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Developer, programmer position available Message-ID: Drew Wutka's former boss contacted me and ask if I would let the group know that he is seeking someone to take over some of Drew's responsibility, with expanded scope including domestic and international travel. Below is a summary of the job posting: Job Duties/Functions: . Analyze requirements, design appropriate solutions, develop programs, systems, forms, and databases to fulfill the requirements and needs of the company and users at Marlow Industries. Exchange Administration. Intranet Web server Administration Job Requirements: . BS degree or equivalent technical training and certifications . Five years experience in application software development and support . Must possess adequate knowledge of script writing . Must be proficient in Microsoft Sharepoint . Excellent customer service skills including telephone techniques, listening skills, . Excellent interpersonal and communication skills; . Familiarity with administration and support of voice communications . Demonstrated problem solving and work prioritization skills . Willing to travel, domestic and international . Due to ITAR compliance, this position requires candidates to be a U.S. Citizen, Permanent Resident Alien, or Protected Individual per 8 U.S.C. 1324b(a)(3). Marlow is an Equal Opportunity Employer Position is located in Dallas. I worked for Marlow way back in 2001 and they are good company. If I can help, please feel free to contact me. Kenneth Van Huss From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Fri Oct 28 22:22:35 2011 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 23:22:35 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] OK so Windows 7 has issues too Message-ID: <4EAB717B.5090508@colbyconsulting.com> :) Actually I am not sure where the problem lies. I am trying to see all the machines on my network. This is a workgroup and everyone except my UnRaid Linux server (Tower) belong to the same workgroup. 1) In my 2008R2 server (Hyper-V server) I see 12 machines if you ignore the tsclient. This includes Tower and three VMs. 2) In Azul (Windows 2008) I see 12 machines - same as 1 above. 3) In my new Windows 7 Home premium I see 7 machines. Missing are Azul (Windows 2008), both HTPC machines (also Windows 7), one of my VMs (Windows 2003) and both windows xp machines. 4) In a Windows 7 Professional VM I see 7 machines. Missing are the Windows 7 HTPCs and the two XP machines. I found something (very crude) that would find every IP address on the network and from my new laptop everything does show up, and I can ping everything but everything does not show in the network map. Another PFM thing going on here. If I know the computer name I can remote desktop in to all of them (except the Windows 7 home machines of course) so everything is definitely out there, just not visible. that kinda sucks because I often share and push files around to machines based on the shares. That just made me wonder if the machines that are missing might not have any shares or something. But why do both Server 2008 machines (on opposite physical ends of the network) see every single machine on the network, but the Windows 7 Home laptop plugged into the same switch as the Hyper-v Server 2008 machine only show 7 machines? Sing it, with gusto..,. This is the stuff, That drives me crazy... -- John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Fri Oct 28 22:47:40 2011 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 20:47:40 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Excel Subtotal from Access/VBA In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1A2047344CAF4AB49F6F01E2179A00BB@HAL9007> I'm not sure what's going on there but I always use the macro recorder in Excel, and crib the code it generates into my VBA. I'd try that. Rocky -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kenneth W Van Huss Sent: Friday, October 28, 2011 6:58 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: [AccessD] Excel Subtotal from Access/VBA This is eating my lunch. I am trying to calculate a subtotal in an Excel spreadsheet via automation/VBA Code: Select all With ApXL .Range("A2").Select .Selection.Subtotal GroupBy:=4, Function:=xlSum, TotalList:=Array(12), _ Replace:=True, PageBreaks:=False, SummaryBelowData:=True .ActiveSheet.Outline.ShowLevels RowLevels:=2 .Columns("L:L").Style = "Currency" .Rows("1:1").Font.Bold = True End With I keep getting an error on the ".Selection.sub . .." line. The error message is "The command could not be completed by using the range specified. Select a single cell within the range and try the command again." Any help is greatly appreciated. Ken -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From ssharkins at gmail.com Sat Oct 29 07:53:25 2011 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2011 08:53:25 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Excel Subtotal from Access/VBA References: <1A2047344CAF4AB49F6F01E2179A00BB@HAL9007> Message-ID: <195DB2AFE1A6421A9BA9B677DC7DFF19@SusanHarkins> Is Subtotal a range name or an reserved object name? If a named range, it might not like that -- it's probably a reserved word. Never done subtotaling with VBA, so don't even know the object model for that. Susan H. > I'm not sure what's going on there but I always use the macro recorder in > Excel, and crib the code it generates into my VBA. I'd try that. > > > .Selection.Subtotal GroupBy:=4, Function:=xlSum, > TotalList:=Array(12), _ From marksimms at verizon.net Sat Oct 29 09:14:19 2011 From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms) Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2011 10:14:19 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Excel Subtotal from Access/VBA In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <004801cc9645$0d1ff610$275fe230$@net> Just reference the entire worksheet (change activesheet below to worksheets("whatever") if required). My notes on this function indicate to put a Application.DisplayAlerts=False statement in there too. > > With ApXL > > .ActiveSheet.Subtotal GroupBy:=4, Function:=xlSum, > TotalList:=Array(12), _ > > Replace:=True, PageBreaks:=False, SummaryBelowData:=True > > .ActiveSheet.Outline.ShowLevels RowLevels:=2 > > .Columns("L:L").Style = "Currency" > > .Rows("1:1").Font.Bold = True > From charlotte.foust at gmail.com Sat Oct 29 12:55:58 2011 From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust) Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2011 10:55:58 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] OK so Windows 7 has issues too In-Reply-To: <4EAB717B.5090508@colbyconsulting.com> References: <4EAB717B.5090508@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: I don't know the answer, John, but it may be the version. The home versions of Windows seem to have all sorts of unexpected limitations on networking and sharing, which is why I always run the Professional versions. Charlotte Foust On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 8:22 PM, jwcolby wrote: > :) > > Actually I am not sure where the problem lies. I am trying to see all the > machines on my network. This is a workgroup and everyone except my UnRaid > Linux server (Tower) belong to the same workgroup. > > 1) In my 2008R2 server (Hyper-V server) I see 12 machines if you ignore > the tsclient. This includes Tower and three VMs. > > 2) In Azul (Windows 2008) I see 12 machines - same as 1 above. > > 3) In my new Windows 7 Home premium I see 7 machines. Missing are Azul > (Windows 2008), both HTPC machines (also Windows 7), one of my VMs (Windows > 2003) and both windows xp machines. > > 4) In a Windows 7 Professional VM I see 7 machines. Missing are the > Windows 7 HTPCs and the two XP machines. > > I found something (very crude) that would find every IP address on the > network and from my new laptop everything does show up, and I can ping > everything but everything does not show in the network map. Another PFM > thing going on here. > > If I know the computer name I can remote desktop in to all of them (except > the Windows 7 home machines of course) so everything is definitely out > there, just not visible. that kinda sucks because I often share and push > files around to machines based on the shares. > > That just made me wonder if the machines that are missing might not have > any shares or something. But why do both Server 2008 machines (on opposite > physical ends of the network) see every single machine on the network, but > the Windows 7 Home laptop plugged into the same switch as the Hyper-v > Server 2008 machine only show 7 machines? > > Sing it, with gusto..,. > > This is the stuff, > That drives me crazy... > > -- > John W. Colby > Colby Consulting > > Reality is what refuses to go away > when you do not believe in it > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/accessd > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.**com > > > From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Sat Oct 29 13:10:29 2011 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2011 14:10:29 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] OK so Windows 7 has issues too In-Reply-To: References: <4EAB717B.5090508@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <4EAC4195.3000602@colbyconsulting.com> >The home versions of Windows seem to have all sorts of unexpected limitations on networking and sharing, which is why I always run the Professional versions. I hear ya and I would love to. As it happens I got 3 copies of the home version for $150. I have two HTPC machines and three laptops which I am upgrading to Windows 7. To put the pro version on all of those would be a tad expensive, and they don't really need it. John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it On 10/29/2011 1:55 PM, Charlotte Foust wrote: > I don't know the answer, John, but it may be the version. The home > versions of Windows seem to have all sorts of unexpected limitations on > networking and sharing, which is why I always run the Professional versions. > > Charlotte Foust > > On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 8:22 PM, jwcolbywrote: > >> :) >> >> Actually I am not sure where the problem lies. I am trying to see all the >> machines on my network. This is a workgroup and everyone except my UnRaid >> Linux server (Tower) belong to the same workgroup. >> >> 1) In my 2008R2 server (Hyper-V server) I see 12 machines if you ignore >> the tsclient. This includes Tower and three VMs. >> >> 2) In Azul (Windows 2008) I see 12 machines - same as 1 above. >> >> 3) In my new Windows 7 Home premium I see 7 machines. Missing are Azul >> (Windows 2008), both HTPC machines (also Windows 7), one of my VMs (Windows >> 2003) and both windows xp machines. >> >> 4) In a Windows 7 Professional VM I see 7 machines. Missing are the >> Windows 7 HTPCs and the two XP machines. >> >> I found something (very crude) that would find every IP address on the >> network and from my new laptop everything does show up, and I can ping >> everything but everything does not show in the network map. Another PFM >> thing going on here. >> >> If I know the computer name I can remote desktop in to all of them (except >> the Windows 7 home machines of course) so everything is definitely out >> there, just not visible. that kinda sucks because I often share and push >> files around to machines based on the shares. >> >> That just made me wonder if the machines that are missing might not have >> any shares or something. But why do both Server 2008 machines (on opposite >> physical ends of the network) see every single machine on the network, but >> the Windows 7 Home laptop plugged into the same switch as the Hyper-v >> Server 2008 machine only show 7 machines? >> >> Sing it, with gusto..,. >> >> This is the stuff, >> That drives me crazy... >> >> -- >> John W. Colby >> Colby Consulting >> >> Reality is what refuses to go away >> when you do not believe in it >> -- >> AccessD mailing list >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/accessd >> >> >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.**com >> >> >> From john at winhaven.net Sat Oct 29 13:11:58 2011 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2011 13:11:58 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] OK so Windows 7 has issues too In-Reply-To: References: <4EAB717B.5090508@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <057201cc9666$406f0530$c14d0f90$@winhaven.net> Agreed. Home versions are there for a reason - to irritate us! ;o) -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2011 12:56 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] OK so Windows 7 has issues too I don't know the answer, John, but it may be the version. The home versions of Windows seem to have all sorts of unexpected limitations on networking and sharing, which is why I always run the Professional versions. From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Sat Oct 29 13:14:46 2011 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2011 14:14:46 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] OK so Windows 7 has issues too In-Reply-To: <057201cc9666$406f0530$c14d0f90$@winhaven.net> References: <4EAB717B.5090508@colbyconsulting.com> <057201cc9666$406f0530$c14d0f90$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: <4EAC4296.6060609@colbyconsulting.com> LOL. And they do a good job of it. John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it On 10/29/2011 2:11 PM, John Bartow wrote: > Agreed. Home versions are there for a reason - to irritate us! ;o) > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust > Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2011 12:56 PM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] OK so Windows 7 has issues too > > I don't know the answer, John, but it may be the version. The home versions > of Windows seem to have all sorts of unexpected limitations on networking > and sharing, which is why I always run the Professional versions. > From df.waters at comcast.net Sat Oct 29 13:16:45 2011 From: df.waters at comcast.net (Dan Waters) Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2011 13:16:45 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Need Help With a Workgroup/Password Message-ID: <000001cc9666$eb08e100$c11aa300$@comcast.net> Aaaargh! One of my customers accidentally removed me as the Admin user from their system, and I need to fix that. Either I need to get the password for another Admin user and log in to fix my authority, or I need to make myself an admin user some other way. I have a copy of the .mdw file on my PC. How do I fix this? Thanks! Dan From df.waters at comcast.net Sat Oct 29 16:06:04 2011 From: df.waters at comcast.net (Dan Waters) Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2011 16:06:04 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Need Help With a Workgroup/Password Message-ID: <000001cc967e$92554810$b6ffd830$@comcast.net> OK - I figured out what another administrator's password was so I'm set. Thanks! Dan From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Sat Oct 29 18:22:27 2011 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2011 19:22:27 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Need Help With a Workgroup/Password In-Reply-To: <000001cc967e$92554810$b6ffd830$@comcast.net> References: <000001cc967e$92554810$b6ffd830$@comcast.net> Message-ID: <4EAC8AB3.6010104@colbyconsulting.com> High security there eh? ;) John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it On 10/29/2011 5:06 PM, Dan Waters wrote: > OK - I figured out what another administrator's password was so I'm set. > > > > Thanks! > > Dan > > > > > From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Sat Oct 29 19:38:20 2011 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2011 20:38:20 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Windows can be so much fun Message-ID: <4EAC9C7C.4060906@colbyconsulting.com> I bought a laptop from a friend. The laptop was provided "Michael Laptop" as a "registered user" when it was turned on the first time (I suppose). I created my own user, deleted his etc but every time I want to install anything it says it will be registered to "Michael Laptop". I went looking through the registry for Michael Laptop and holy smoke batman, it is *everywhere*!!! Probably 50 different registry keys, perhaps a hundred, mostly "install paths" pointing to a now non-existent user roaming directory. It is no damned wonder that the registry causes so many problems. I did find two specific places where there is a key called "registered user" which I changed to my name. We shall see if that makes me the registered user. -- John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Sat Oct 29 19:44:41 2011 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2011 20:44:41 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Windows can be so much fun In-Reply-To: <4EAC9C7C.4060906@colbyconsulting.com> References: <4EAC9C7C.4060906@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <4EAC9DF9.6090309@colbyconsulting.com> I meant to say "registered owner". John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it On 10/29/2011 8:38 PM, jwcolby wrote: > I bought a laptop from a friend. The laptop was provided "Michael Laptop" as a "registered user" > when it was turned on the first time (I suppose). I created my own user, deleted his etc but every > time I want to install anything it says it will be registered to "Michael Laptop". I went looking > through the registry for Michael Laptop and holy smoke batman, it is *everywhere*!!! Probably 50 > different registry keys, perhaps a hundred, mostly "install paths" pointing to a now non-existent > user roaming directory. > > It is no damned wonder that the registry causes so many problems. > > I did find two specific places where there is a key called "registered user" which I changed to my > name. We shall see if that makes me the registered user. > From rbgajewski at roadrunner.com Sun Oct 30 08:34:27 2011 From: rbgajewski at roadrunner.com (Bob Gajewski) Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2011 09:34:27 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Send email with Word attachment from Access Message-ID: <56998FD17CC24E4C87F20B0F2B8CD9C6@7B440585K> Hi Folks I've hit a wall, and could use some direction. I have an Access 2003 application that records student course results, and on that form, I would like to be able to (1) print a certificate, (2) save the certificate as a Word 2003 document with a unique file name, and (3) email the document to the student. Note: I have Access 2003 and Word 2010 installed. I have items 1 and 2 working perfectly. My trouble is with item 3 - I just can't seem to find the right commands/syntax to open Outlook. I've been researching this for hours on Microsoft's sites and throughout the Internet ... with little success. If anyone has ideas or suggestions, they would be most appreciated. Thanks Bob Gajewski ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------- Private Sub cmdPrintCertificate_Click() Call PrintCertificate(CourseID.Column(1) & CourseDays, Trim(StudentFullNameFMLS), Format(StudentCourseStartDate, "mmmm d, yyyy"), Format(StudentCourseEndDate, "mmmm d, yyyy"), Trim(InstructorFullNameFMLS)) End Sub ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------- Private Sub cmdEmailCertificate_Click() Call EmailCertificate(CourseID.Column(1) & CourseDays, Trim(StudentFullNameFMLS), Format(StudentCourseStartDate, "mmmm d, yyyy"), Format(StudentCourseEndDate, "mmmm d, yyyy"), Trim(InstructorFullNameFMLS), CourseID.Column(2), StudentMailTo) End Sub ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------- Function PrintCertificate(varCourseCode, varStudentFullNameFMLS, varCourseStartDate, varCourseEndDate, varInstructorFullNameFMLS) ' Start Microsoft Word Dim objWord As Object Set objWord = CreateObject("Word.Application") Dim strCertificate As String strCertificate = "C:\{actual path removed for security reasons}\" & varCourseCode & ".dot" objWord.Documents.Open strCertificate objWord.Visible = True With objWord ' Move to each bookmark and insert text from the form. .ActiveDocument.Bookmarks("StudentFullNameFMLS").Select .Selection.Text = CStr(varStudentFullNameFMLS) If Not varCourseStartDate = varCourseEndDate Then .ActiveDocument.Bookmarks("CourseStartDate").Select .Selection.Text = CStr(varCourseStartDate) End If .ActiveDocument.Bookmarks("CourseEndDate").Select .Selection.Text = CStr(varCourseEndDate) End With ' Print the document in the foreground so Microsoft Word will not close until the document finishes printing. objWord.ActiveDocument.PrintOut Do While objWord.BackgroundPrintingStatus > 0 Loop ' Save the document objWord.ActiveDocument.SaveAs FileName:="C:\{actual path removed for security reasons}\Certificates\" & _ varStudentFullNameFMLS & "-" & varCourseCode & "-" & Format(varCourseEndDate, "yyyymmdd") & ".doc" ' Close the document without saving changes. objWord.ActiveDocument.Close False ' Quit Microsoft Word and release the object variable. objWord.Quit Set objWord = Nothing Exit Function End Function ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------- Function EmailCertificate(varCourseCode, varStudentFullNameFMLS, varCourseStartDate, varCourseEndDate, varInstructorFullNameFMLS, varCourseName, varStudentMailTo) ' Start Microsoft Word Dim objWord As Object Set objWord = CreateObject("Word.Application") Dim strCertificate As String strCertificate = "C:\{actual path removed for security reasons}\" & varCourseCode & ".dot" objWord.Documents.Open strCertificate objWord.Visible = True With objWord ' Move to each bookmark and insert text from the form. .ActiveDocument.Bookmarks("StudentFullNameFMLS").Select .Selection.Text = CStr(varStudentFullNameFMLS) If Not varCourseStartDate = varCourseEndDate Then .ActiveDocument.Bookmarks("CourseStartDate").Select .Selection.Text = CStr(varCourseStartDate) End If .ActiveDocument.Bookmarks("CourseEndDate").Select .Selection.Text = CStr(varCourseEndDate) End With ' Save the document objWord.ActiveDocument.SaveAs FileName:="C:\Users\{actual path removed for security reasons}\Certificates\" & _ varStudentFullNameFMLS & "-" & varCourseCode & "-" & Format(varCourseEndDate, "yyyymmdd") & ".doc" ' Send the document by email Dim bStarted As Boolean Dim oOutlookApp As Object Dim oItem As Object On Error Resume Next If Len(objWord.ActiveDocument.Path) = 0 Then 'Document has not been saved objWord.ActiveDocument.Save 'so save it End If 'see if Outlook is running and if so turn your attention there Set oOutlookApp = GetObject(, "Outlook.Application") If Err <> 0 Then 'Outlook isn't running 'So fire it up Set oOutlookApp = CreateObject("Outlook.Application") bStarted = True oOutlookApp.Visible = True End If 'Open a new e-mail message Set oItem = oOutlookApp.CreateItem() ***** This seems to be where the code fails ***** With oItem 'and add the detail to it .To = varStudentMailTo 'send to this address .Subject = "Training Certificate" 'This is the message subject .Body = "Attached is your training certificate for the " & _ varCourseName & " that you completed on " & Format(varCourseEndDate, "mmmm d, yyyy") & "." ' This is the message body text .Attachments.Add Source:=objWord.ActiveDocument.FullName '.Send .Display End With ' If the macro started Outlook, stop it again. If bStarted Then oOutlookApp.Quit End If ' Clean up Set oItem = Nothing Set oOutlookApp = Nothing ' Close the document without saving changes. objWord.ActiveDocument.Close False ' Quit Microsoft Word and release the object variable. objWord.Quit Set objWord = Nothing Exit Function End Function From jackandpat.d at gmail.com Sun Oct 30 09:04:50 2011 From: jackandpat.d at gmail.com (jack drawbridge) Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2011 10:04:50 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Send email with Word attachment from Access In-Reply-To: <56998FD17CC24E4C87F20B0F2B8CD9C6@7B440585K> References: <56998FD17CC24E4C87F20B0F2B8CD9C6@7B440585K> Message-ID: Bob, There's a sample here http://www.blueclaw-db.com/download/download_access_email_example.htm On Sun, Oct 30, 2011 at 9:34 AM, Bob Gajewski wrote: > Hi Folks > > I've hit a wall, and could use some direction. > > I have an Access 2003 application that records student course results, and > on that form, I would like to be able to (1) print a certificate, (2) save > the certificate as a Word 2003 document with a unique file name, and (3) > email the document to the student. Note: I have Access 2003 and Word 2010 > installed. > > I have items 1 and 2 working perfectly. My trouble is with item 3 - I just > can't seem to find the right commands/syntax to open Outlook. I've been > researching this for hours on Microsoft's sites and throughout the Internet > ... with little success. > > If anyone has ideas or suggestions, they would be most appreciated. > > Thanks > Bob Gajewski > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ----------------- > Private Sub cmdPrintCertificate_Click() > Call PrintCertificate(CourseID.Column(1) & CourseDays, > Trim(StudentFullNameFMLS), Format(StudentCourseStartDate, "mmmm d, yyyy"), > Format(StudentCourseEndDate, "mmmm d, yyyy"), Trim(InstructorFullNameFMLS)) > End Sub > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ----------------- > Private Sub cmdEmailCertificate_Click() > Call EmailCertificate(CourseID.Column(1) & CourseDays, > Trim(StudentFullNameFMLS), Format(StudentCourseStartDate, "mmmm d, yyyy"), > Format(StudentCourseEndDate, "mmmm d, yyyy"), Trim(InstructorFullNameFMLS), > CourseID.Column(2), StudentMailTo) > End Sub > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ----------------- > > Function PrintCertificate(varCourseCode, varStudentFullNameFMLS, > varCourseStartDate, varCourseEndDate, varInstructorFullNameFMLS) > ' Start Microsoft Word > Dim objWord As Object > Set objWord = CreateObject("Word.Application") > Dim strCertificate As String > strCertificate = "C:\{actual path removed for security reasons}\" & > varCourseCode & ".dot" > objWord.Documents.Open strCertificate > objWord.Visible = True > With objWord > ' Move to each bookmark and insert text from the form. > .ActiveDocument.Bookmarks("StudentFullNameFMLS").Select > .Selection.Text = CStr(varStudentFullNameFMLS) > If Not varCourseStartDate = varCourseEndDate Then > .ActiveDocument.Bookmarks("CourseStartDate").Select > .Selection.Text = CStr(varCourseStartDate) > End If > .ActiveDocument.Bookmarks("CourseEndDate").Select > .Selection.Text = CStr(varCourseEndDate) > End With > ' Print the document in the foreground so Microsoft Word will not close > until the document finishes printing. > objWord.ActiveDocument.PrintOut > Do While objWord.BackgroundPrintingStatus > 0 > Loop > ' Save the document > objWord.ActiveDocument.SaveAs FileName:="C:\{actual path removed for > security reasons}\Certificates\" & _ > varStudentFullNameFMLS & "-" & varCourseCode & "-" & > Format(varCourseEndDate, "yyyymmdd") & ".doc" > ' Close the document without saving changes. > objWord.ActiveDocument.Close False > ' Quit Microsoft Word and release the object variable. > objWord.Quit > Set objWord = Nothing > Exit Function > End Function > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ----------------- > Function EmailCertificate(varCourseCode, varStudentFullNameFMLS, > varCourseStartDate, varCourseEndDate, varInstructorFullNameFMLS, > varCourseName, varStudentMailTo) > ' Start Microsoft Word > Dim objWord As Object > Set objWord = CreateObject("Word.Application") > Dim strCertificate As String > strCertificate = "C:\{actual path removed for security reasons}\" & > varCourseCode & ".dot" > objWord.Documents.Open strCertificate > objWord.Visible = True > With objWord > ' Move to each bookmark and insert text from the form. > .ActiveDocument.Bookmarks("StudentFullNameFMLS").Select > .Selection.Text = CStr(varStudentFullNameFMLS) > If Not varCourseStartDate = varCourseEndDate Then > .ActiveDocument.Bookmarks("CourseStartDate").Select > .Selection.Text = CStr(varCourseStartDate) > End If > .ActiveDocument.Bookmarks("CourseEndDate").Select > .Selection.Text = CStr(varCourseEndDate) > End With > ' Save the document > objWord.ActiveDocument.SaveAs FileName:="C:\Users\{actual path removed > for security reasons}\Certificates\" & _ > varStudentFullNameFMLS & "-" & varCourseCode & "-" & > Format(varCourseEndDate, "yyyymmdd") & ".doc" > ' Send the document by email > Dim bStarted As Boolean > Dim oOutlookApp As Object > Dim oItem As Object > On Error Resume Next > If Len(objWord.ActiveDocument.Path) = 0 Then 'Document has not been > saved > objWord.ActiveDocument.Save 'so save it > End If > 'see if Outlook is running and if so turn your attention there > Set oOutlookApp = GetObject(, "Outlook.Application") > If Err <> 0 Then 'Outlook isn't running > 'So fire it up > Set oOutlookApp = CreateObject("Outlook.Application") > bStarted = True > oOutlookApp.Visible = True > End If > 'Open a new e-mail message > Set oItem = oOutlookApp.CreateItem() ***** This seems to be where the > code fails ***** > With oItem 'and add the detail to it > .To = varStudentMailTo 'send to this address > .Subject = "Training Certificate" 'This is the message subject > .Body = "Attached is your training certificate for the " & _ > varCourseName & " that you completed on " & > Format(varCourseEndDate, "mmmm d, yyyy") & "." ' This is the message body > text > .Attachments.Add Source:=objWord.ActiveDocument.FullName > '.Send > .Display > End With > ' If the macro started Outlook, stop it again. > If bStarted Then > oOutlookApp.Quit > End If > ' Clean up > Set oItem = Nothing > Set oOutlookApp = Nothing > ' Close the document without saving changes. > objWord.ActiveDocument.Close False > ' Quit Microsoft Word and release the object variable. > objWord.Quit > Set objWord = Nothing > Exit Function > End Function > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From marksimms at verizon.net Sun Oct 30 09:39:51 2011 From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms) Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2011 10:39:51 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Windows can be so much fun In-Reply-To: <4EAC9C7C.4060906@colbyconsulting.com> References: <4EAC9C7C.4060906@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <002701cc9711$c8f37b60$5ada7220$@net> The registry remains as one sensitive and complex beast. That being said, one would think that MSFT would back it up automatically with at least 5 rolling versions. Nope - only 1....and strangely they make it difficult to get to the Restore Point facility. Cleaning up the registry does help with performance, and I recommend these (in order: 1) Registry Fast 2) Win Utilities 3) CCleaner 4) Glary Utilities > > It is no damned wonder that the registry causes so many problems. > I did find two specific places where there is a key called "registered > user" which I changed to my name. We shall see if that makes me the registered user. From df.waters at comcast.net Sun Oct 30 10:49:21 2011 From: df.waters at comcast.net (Dan Waters) Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2011 10:49:21 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Need Help With a Workgroup/Password In-Reply-To: <4EAC8AB3.6010104@colbyconsulting.com> References: <000001cc967e$92554810$b6ffd830$@comcast.net> <4EAC8AB3.6010104@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <000f01cc971b$7de6ca50$79b45ef0$@comcast.net> In my system I have a permissions screen where the system owners (not IT) can set up permissions for all the users (I'm not using the complex Access user level security). When someone is set up as a System Owner, they become an Admin user, like I am. This give them the ability to create new users by adding their username to the User group, and in the background set up a randomized one-time password which is emailed to the new user. What I never expected was for one of the System Owners to uncheck me as a System Owner, which removes me as an Admin user. The System Owners are not experienced Access users - they just do what the screen lets them do. And what it no longer lets them do is remove me as a System Owner. Lesson Learned! ;-) Dan -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2011 6:22 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Need Help With a Workgroup/Password High security there eh? ;) John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it On 10/29/2011 5:06 PM, Dan Waters wrote: > OK - I figured out what another administrator's password was so I'm set. > > > > Thanks! > > Dan > > > > > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From charlotte.foust at gmail.com Sun Oct 30 12:01:48 2011 From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust) Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2011 10:01:48 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Known Bugs List in A2K7/10 In-Reply-To: <001401cc9469$6f238ee0$4d6aaca0$@gmail.com> References: <4E9E8A33.5135.61C4375@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <000901cc8eca$ac281df0$047859d0$@gmail.com> <004a01cc8f99$8944af90$9bce0eb0$@net> <001401cc9469$6f238ee0$4d6aaca0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: One of my pet peeves is that if you have another object open, like a table, you are restricted from working on other related objects but Access doesn't tell you what it's objecting to just leaves you to start closing things until you can get to where you need to be. And that wretched navigation window opens things when you merely want to look at the design and tucks them neatly into the tabs where you don't even notice them! Grrrrrrrrr Charlotte Foust On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 10:29 PM, William Benson (VBACreations.Com) < vbacreations at gmail.com> wrote: > More Ac2010 bugs. > > Hard to know whether this belongs in a thread of KNOWN bugs, but they are > certainly ACTIVE bugs. > > I am getting a message like > > [My Database Name] cannot complete this operation. You must stop the code > and try again" > > Thing is, I am not running any code. I only copied an object (like a form) > and tried to paste it with a new name in the database window. > > Furthermore, I also occasionally catch the statusbar showing me a query is > running I am not doing anything except modifying some code in design time. > > This Ac2010 seems very much like a Ghost in the Machine gone wild, and it > is > not Casper the Friendly either. > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > From gustav at cactus.dk Sun Oct 30 12:27:16 2011 From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2011 18:27:16 +0100 Subject: [AccessD] Need Help With a Workgroup/Password Message-ID: Hi Dan After too many experiences of this kind and others, we bite the bullet and sat up Active Directory with two Domain Controllers on different locations. The attitude was "how hard can it be" but it is, not because it is difficult but you have to read up the stuff, learn the rules, play nice, and follow every step rigorously. But it pays back. Whenever a computer is "created" it is joined to the AD, and the Domain Admins' group automagically become member of the local Administrators' group. /gustav >>> df.waters at comcast.net 30-10-2011 16:49 >>> In my system I have a permissions screen where the system owners (not IT) can set up permissions for all the users (I'm not using the complex Access user level security). When someone is set up as a System Owner, they become an Admin user, like I am. This give them the ability to create new users by adding their username to the User group, and in the background set up a randomized one-time password which is emailed to the new user. What I never expected was for one of the System Owners to uncheck me as a System Owner, which removes me as an Admin user. The System Owners are not experienced Access users - they just do what the screen lets them do. And what it no longer lets them do is remove me as a System Owner. Lesson Learned! ;-) Dan -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2011 6:22 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Need Help With a Workgroup/Password High security there eh? ;) John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it On 10/29/2011 5:06 PM, Dan Waters wrote: > OK - I figured out what another administrator's password was so I'm set. > > > > Thanks! > > Dan From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Sun Oct 30 12:32:18 2011 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2011 13:32:18 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Need Help With a Workgroup/Password In-Reply-To: <000f01cc971b$7de6ca50$79b45ef0$@comcast.net> References: <000001cc967e$92554810$b6ffd830$@comcast.net> <4EAC8AB3.6010104@colbyconsulting.com> <000f01cc971b$7de6ca50$79b45ef0$@comcast.net> Message-ID: <4EAD8A22.8060007@colbyconsulting.com> > The System Owners are not experienced Access users - they just do what the screen lets them do. And what it no longer lets them do is remove me as a System Owner. Lesson Learned! ;-) ROTFL. Lesson learned! John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it On 10/30/2011 11:49 AM, Dan Waters wrote: > In my system I have a permissions screen where the system owners (not IT) > can set up permissions for all the users (I'm not using the complex Access > user level security). When someone is set up as a System Owner, they become > an Admin user, like I am. This give them the ability to create new users by > adding their username to the User group, and in the background set up a > randomized one-time password which is emailed to the new user. > > What I never expected was for one of the System Owners to uncheck me as a > System Owner, which removes me as an Admin user. The System Owners are not > experienced Access users - they just do what the screen lets them do. And > what it no longer lets them do is remove me as a System Owner. Lesson > Learned! ;-) > > Dan > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby > Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2011 6:22 PM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Need Help With a Workgroup/Password > > High security there eh? > > ;) > > John W. Colby > Colby Consulting > > Reality is what refuses to go away > when you do not believe in it > > On 10/29/2011 5:06 PM, Dan Waters wrote: >> OK - I figured out what another administrator's password was so I'm set. >> >> >> >> Thanks! >> >> Dan >> >> >> >> >> From rbgajewski at roadrunner.com Sun Oct 30 12:40:03 2011 From: rbgajewski at roadrunner.com (Bob Gajewski) Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2011 13:40:03 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] FW: Send email with Word attachment from Access - SOLVED (mostly) Message-ID: <24345F6D001E4D7D97AB808CA3E81B8F@7B440585K> I've figured out the problem with opening Outlook and the new email ... The only remaining issue is to get it to automatically send without the "An application is trying to send email" security warning ... I just needed to replace: Set oItem = oOutlookApp.CreateItem() With: Set oItem = oOutlookApp.CreateItem(0) Thanks to those that responded with suggestions. Bob Gajewski -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bob Gajewski Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2011 09:34 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: [AccessD] Send email with Word attachment from Access Hi Folks I've hit a wall, and could use some direction. I have an Access 2003 application that records student course results, and on that form, I would like to be able to (1) print a certificate, (2) save the certificate as a Word 2003 document with a unique file name, and (3) email the document to the student. Note: I have Access 2003 and Word 2010 installed. I have items 1 and 2 working perfectly. My trouble is with item 3 - I just can't seem to find the right commands/syntax to open Outlook. I've been researching this for hours on Microsoft's sites and throughout the Internet ... with little success. If anyone has ideas or suggestions, they would be most appreciated. Thanks Bob Gajewski ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Private Sub cmdEmailCertificate_Click() Call EmailCertificate(CourseID.Column(1) & CourseDays, Trim(StudentFullNameFMLS), Format(StudentCourseStartDate, "mmmm d, yyyy"), Format(StudentCourseEndDate, "mmmm d, yyyy"), Trim(InstructorFullNameFMLS), CourseID.Column(2), StudentMailTo) End Sub ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Function EmailCertificate(varCourseCode, varStudentFullNameFMLS, varCourseStartDate, varCourseEndDate, varInstructorFullNameFMLS, varCourseName, varStudentMailTo) ' Start Microsoft Word Dim objWord As Object Set objWord = CreateObject("Word.Application") Dim strCertificate As String strCertificate = "C:\{actual path removed for security reasons}\" & varCourseCode & ".dot" objWord.Documents.Open strCertificate objWord.Visible = True With objWord ' Move to each bookmark and insert text from the form. .ActiveDocument.Bookmarks("StudentFullNameFMLS").Select .Selection.Text = CStr(varStudentFullNameFMLS) If Not varCourseStartDate = varCourseEndDate Then .ActiveDocument.Bookmarks("CourseStartDate").Select .Selection.Text = CStr(varCourseStartDate) End If .ActiveDocument.Bookmarks("CourseEndDate").Select .Selection.Text = CStr(varCourseEndDate) End With ' Save the document objWord.ActiveDocument.SaveAs FileName:="C:\Users\{actual path removed for security reasons}\Certificates\" & _ varStudentFullNameFMLS & "-" & varCourseCode & "-" & Format(varCourseEndDate, "yyyymmdd") & ".doc" ' Send the document by email Dim bStarted As Boolean Dim oOutlookApp As Object Dim oItem As Object On Error Resume Next If Len(objWord.ActiveDocument.Path) = 0 Then 'Document has not been saved objWord.ActiveDocument.Save 'so save it End If 'see if Outlook is running and if so turn your attention there Set oOutlookApp = GetObject(, "Outlook.Application") If Err <> 0 Then 'Outlook isn't running 'So fire it up Set oOutlookApp = CreateObject("Outlook.Application") bStarted = True oOutlookApp.Visible = True End If 'Open a new e-mail message Set oItem = oOutlookApp.CreateItem() ***** This seems to be where the code fails ***** With oItem 'and add the detail to it .To = varStudentMailTo 'send to this address .Subject = "Training Certificate" 'This is the message subject .Body = "Attached is your training certificate for the " & _ varCourseName & " that you completed on " & Format(varCourseEndDate, "mmmm d, yyyy") & "." ' This is the message body text .Attachments.Add Source:=objWord.ActiveDocument.FullName '.Send .Display End With ' If the macro started Outlook, stop it again. If bStarted Then oOutlookApp.Quit End If ' Clean up Set oItem = Nothing Set oOutlookApp = Nothing ' Close the document without saving changes. objWord.ActiveDocument.Close False ' Quit Microsoft Word and release the object variable. objWord.Quit Set objWord = Nothing Exit Function End Function From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Sun Oct 30 12:45:02 2011 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2011 13:45:02 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Windows can be so much fun In-Reply-To: <002701cc9711$c8f37b60$5ada7220$@net> References: <4EAC9C7C.4060906@colbyconsulting.com> <002701cc9711$c8f37b60$5ada7220$@net> Message-ID: <4EAD8D1E.4000206@colbyconsulting.com> And after changing the "Mike laptop" to jwc in about 50 places, the system booted slooooooowly and refused to shut down. I rolled back, restoring the registry and I am back. Whew! All I did this time was replace the "Registered User" with my name. Another lesson learned. I am really loving Windows 7 and my Seagate Momentus XT drive. Between the two I am at the login prompt is about 25 seconds and at the desktop and stable in about 50 seconds. That is nothing short of amazing. John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it On 10/30/2011 10:39 AM, Mark Simms wrote: > The registry remains as one sensitive and complex beast. > That being said, one would think that MSFT would back it up automatically > with at least 5 rolling versions. > Nope - only 1....and strangely they make it difficult to get to the Restore > Point facility. > Cleaning up the registry does help with performance, and I recommend these > (in order: > 1) Registry Fast > 2) Win Utilities > 3) CCleaner > 4) Glary Utilities > > >> >> It is no damned wonder that the registry causes so many problems. >> I did find two specific places where there is a key called "registered >> user" which I changed to my name. We shall see if that makes me the > registered user. > > From vbacreations at gmail.com Sun Oct 30 12:53:35 2011 From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson) Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2011 13:53:35 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Known Bugs List in A2K7/10 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: That's kind of you to say but I did try once to get familiar with the newer VB (2008). I just don't .GET .NET On Oct 20, 2011 4:03 AM, "Gustav Brock" wrote: > Hi William > > Don't say that. As a matter of fact with knowledge like yours, getting > started with Visual Studio is more a question about available time and > patience to pass the first steps of the learning curve - then it is forward > (no ending point). > > /gustav > > > >>> vbacreations at gmail.com 20-10-2011 03:46 >>> > >> .Net, C#, and Visual Studio. > I wish I had the intelligence to pick up something new... don't... > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock > Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2011 4:15 AM > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Known Bugs List in A2K7/10 > > Hi Mark and Darry and ... > > Oh my, what a frightening thread. You guys and Charlotte really scare one > from ever touching development in Access 2007 or 2010. > I never moved beyond 2003 ... then took a sharp right (pun and pun > intended!) turn to .Net, C#, and Visual Studio. > > /gustav > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From marksimms at verizon.net Sun Oct 30 15:01:34 2011 From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms) Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2011 16:01:34 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Windows can be so much fun In-Reply-To: <4EAD8D1E.4000206@colbyconsulting.com> References: <4EAC9C7C.4060906@colbyconsulting.com> <002701cc9711$c8f37b60$5ada7220$@net> <4EAD8D1E.4000206@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <000001cc973e$b9e06840$2da138c0$@net> John- I am really glad those Momentus Drives are working out. I purchased an OCZ SSD and it too is amazing. Unfortunately, my choice of an MSI motherboard with AMD processor was not a good one. It has a built-in ATI Radeon display adapter. The drivers are faulty to the point where if you utilize the power saving feature of shutting off the monitor, it will not come back on for a whole minute ! To say this is annoying is an understatement. Attempts to get this rectified on the MSI Forums just resulted in nasty-grams from the administrators. They threaten to shut down my account if I keep double-posting my issues At this point, and all of this hassle....I do not recommend MSI or AMD products. I was once a big fan of AMD....no more. > I am really loving Windows 7 and my Seagate Momentus XT drive. Between > the two I am at the login > prompt is about 25 seconds and at the desktop and stable in about 50 > seconds. That is nothing short > of amazing. From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Sun Oct 30 15:21:12 2011 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2011 16:21:12 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Windows can be so much fun In-Reply-To: <000001cc973e$b9e06840$2da138c0$@net> References: <4EAC9C7C.4060906@colbyconsulting.com> <002701cc9711$c8f37b60$5ada7220$@net> <4EAD8D1E.4000206@colbyconsulting.com> <000001cc973e$b9e06840$2da138c0$@net> Message-ID: <4EADB1B8.2080605@colbyconsulting.com> What is the board / processor? John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it On 10/30/2011 4:01 PM, Mark Simms wrote: > John- I am really glad those Momentus Drives are working out. I purchased an > OCZ SSD and it too is amazing. > Unfortunately, my choice of an MSI motherboard with AMD processor was not a > good one. > It has a built-in ATI Radeon display adapter. The drivers are faulty to the > point where if you utilize the power saving feature of shutting off the > monitor, it will not come back on for a whole minute ! > To say this is annoying is an understatement. > Attempts to get this rectified on the MSI Forums just resulted in > nasty-grams from the administrators. > They threaten to shut down my account if I keep double-posting my issues > At this point, and all of this hassle....I do not recommend MSI or AMD > products. > I was once a big fan of AMD....no more. > >> I am really loving Windows 7 and my Seagate Momentus XT drive. Between >> the two I am at the login >> prompt is about 25 seconds and at the desktop and stable in about 50 >> seconds. That is nothing short >> of amazing. > > From marksimms at verizon.net Sun Oct 30 17:31:44 2011 From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms) Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2011 18:31:44 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Windows can be so much fun In-Reply-To: <4EADB1B8.2080605@colbyconsulting.com> References: <4EAC9C7C.4060906@colbyconsulting.com> <002701cc9711$c8f37b60$5ada7220$@net> <4EAD8D1E.4000206@colbyconsulting.com> <000001cc973e$b9e06840$2da138c0$@net> <4EADB1B8.2080605@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <001101cc9753$b42e3a70$1c8aaf50$@net> MSI 785GTM-E45; AM2 processor Get this: the key is to get the SSD drive to operate in AHCI mode. NO CAN DO. Windows 7 just blows-up and fails to install the correct drivers. Only IDE mode works with this motherboard. Catch 22: Can't even update the SSD firmware - it must be in AHCI mode !! I'm stuck with a fast, but energy-eating monster....very frustrating. > What is the board / processor? > From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au Sun Oct 30 17:50:37 2011 From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins) Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2011 22:50:37 +0000 Subject: [AccessD] firefox recent browse history In-Reply-To: <4EAAB7DA.4020405@colbyconsulting.com> References: <4EAAB7DA.4020405@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55C8C24@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com> Hi John You have to right mouse click on the back button now. That will give you the ability to 'jump' to anywhere in the history list. Agreed it is more annoying. Took me awhile to figure that out. Cheers Darryl. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: Saturday, 29 October 2011 1:11 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: [AccessD] firefox recent browse history In previous versions of Firefox there was a drop down arrow next to the back / forward buttons in the address bar. That drop down would allow you to see and move directly to a recently browsed page. For example I go to a review, I go through 16 pages of the review, I can then drop down this history arrow and see the page 16 pages back and go there directly to "reset" my location. I am now back in that browse location and can page forward or back from that browse location. Now I have to "page back" 16 times to get back to the point where I started reading this review. That is a huge step backwards to me in terms of convenience. Is that old history control available anymore? Can I get it back somehow? -- John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Sun Oct 30 18:45:01 2011 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2011 19:45:01 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Windows can be so much fun In-Reply-To: <001101cc9753$b42e3a70$1c8aaf50$@net> References: <4EAC9C7C.4060906@colbyconsulting.com> <002701cc9711$c8f37b60$5ada7220$@net> <4EAD8D1E.4000206@colbyconsulting.com> <000001cc973e$b9e06840$2da138c0$@net> <4EADB1B8.2080605@colbyconsulting.com> <001101cc9753$b42e3a70$1c8aaf50$@net> Message-ID: <4EADE17D.1070205@colbyconsulting.com> Is this a new build? It sounds like you were aiming for a WMC system. John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it On 10/30/2011 6:31 PM, Mark Simms wrote: > MSI 785GTM-E45 From marksimms at verizon.net Sun Oct 30 21:15:02 2011 From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms) Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2011 22:15:02 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Windows can be so much fun In-Reply-To: <4EADE17D.1070205@colbyconsulting.com> References: <4EAC9C7C.4060906@colbyconsulting.com> <002701cc9711$c8f37b60$5ada7220$@net> <4EAD8D1E.4000206@colbyconsulting.com> <000001cc973e$b9e06840$2da138c0$@net> <4EADB1B8.2080605@colbyconsulting.com> <001101cc9753$b42e3a70$1c8aaf50$@net> <4EADE17D.1070205@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <001801cc9772$e68f7910$b3ae6b30$@net> Yes, new build. WMC ? huh ? Looking for a decently fast development system that was cheap, that's all.... So I decided on an older, slower processor, but a fast hard drive. It's fast alright, but it's gonna cost be a fortune because it is powering a 28" monitor ! Bottomline: my guess is that the Motherboard is too old to properly support SSD. It's 2009 vintage. From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Sun Oct 30 22:00:23 2011 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2011 23:00:23 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Windows can be so much fun In-Reply-To: <001801cc9772$e68f7910$b3ae6b30$@net> References: <4EAC9C7C.4060906@colbyconsulting.com> <002701cc9711$c8f37b60$5ada7220$@net> <4EAD8D1E.4000206@colbyconsulting.com> <000001cc973e$b9e06840$2da138c0$@net> <4EADB1B8.2080605@colbyconsulting.com> <001101cc9753$b42e3a70$1c8aaf50$@net> <4EADE17D.1070205@colbyconsulting.com> <001801cc9772$e68f7910$b3ae6b30$@net> Message-ID: <4EAE0F47.5060601@colbyconsulting.com> yea, for a new build I would not go AM2. Is it too late to get send it back? If it claims to support AHCI and doesn't that is pretty much grounds. John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it On 10/30/2011 10:15 PM, Mark Simms wrote: > Yes, new build. WMC ? huh ? > Looking for a decently fast development system that was cheap, that's > all.... > So I decided on an older, slower processor, but a fast hard drive. > It's fast alright, but it's gonna cost be a fortune because it is powering a > 28" monitor ! > > Bottomline: my guess is that the Motherboard is too old to properly support > SSD. It's 2009 vintage. > > From Gustav at cactus.dk Mon Oct 31 04:06:09 2011 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2011 10:06:09 +0100 Subject: [AccessD] Beginning Visual Studio and .Net (was: Known Bugs List in A2K7/10) Message-ID: Hi William For a very fast tutorial, browse here - the JumpStart code download and the book: http://examples.oreilly.com/vbjumpstart/ http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/vbjumpstart/ Read and test the sample chapter. It' for VS2005+ and covers the basics. Remember that members of this list have the advantage to know about databases. That's what often hold back other developers. /gustav >>> vbacreations at gmail.com 30-10-2011 18:53 >>> That's kind of you to say but I did try once to get familiar with the newer VB (2008). I just don't .GET .NET On Oct 20, 2011 4:03 AM, "Gustav Brock" wrote: > Hi William > > Don't say that. As a matter of fact with knowledge like yours, getting > started with Visual Studio is more a question about available time and > patience to pass the first steps of the learning curve - then it is forward > (no ending point). > > /gustav > > > >>> vbacreations at gmail.com 20-10-2011 03:46 >>> > >> .Net, C#, and Visual Studio. > I wish I had the intelligence to pick up something new... don't... > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock > Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2011 4:15 AM > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Known Bugs List in A2K7/10 > > Hi Mark and Darry and ... > > Oh my, what a frightening thread. You guys and Charlotte really scare one > from ever touching development in Access 2007 or 2010. > I never moved beyond 2003 ... then took a sharp right (pun and pun > intended!) turn to .Net, C#, and Visual Studio. > > /gustav From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Mon Oct 31 06:57:04 2011 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2011 07:57:04 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Beginning Visual Studio and .Net (was: Known Bugs List in A2K7/10) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4EAE8D10.8010804@colbyconsulting.com> Go take a college class. That's what I did. It made me stick with it, do the homework, be there, ask questions. I am now over the hump and on my way. And if you need to do so, start with VB.net. Under the language "skin" it is all the same stuff. John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it On 10/31/2011 5:06 AM, Gustav Brock wrote: > Hi William > > For a very fast tutorial, browse here - the JumpStart code download and the book: > > http://examples.oreilly.com/vbjumpstart/ > http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/vbjumpstart/ > > Read and test the sample chapter. It' for VS2005+ and covers the basics. > Remember that members of this list have the advantage to know about databases. That's what often hold back other developers. > > /gustav > > >>>> vbacreations at gmail.com 30-10-2011 18:53>>> > That's kind of you to say but I did try once to get familiar with the newer > VB (2008). I just don't > .GET .NET > On Oct 20, 2011 4:03 AM, "Gustav Brock" wrote: > >> Hi William >> >> Don't say that. As a matter of fact with knowledge like yours, getting >> started with Visual Studio is more a question about available time and >> patience to pass the first steps of the learning curve - then it is forward >> (no ending point). >> >> /gustav >> >> >>>>> vbacreations at gmail.com 20-10-2011 03:46>>> >>>> .Net, C#, and Visual Studio. >> I wish I had the intelligence to pick up something new... don't... >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock >> Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2011 4:15 AM >> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com >> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Known Bugs List in A2K7/10 >> >> Hi Mark and Darry and ... >> >> Oh my, what a frightening thread. You guys and Charlotte really scare one >> from ever touching development in Access 2007 or 2010. >> I never moved beyond 2003 ... then took a sharp right (pun and pun >> intended!) turn to .Net, C#, and Visual Studio. >> >> /gustav > > From marksimms at verizon.net Mon Oct 31 07:12:10 2011 From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms) Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2011 08:12:10 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Windows can be so much fun In-Reply-To: <4EAE0F47.5060601@colbyconsulting.com> References: <4EAC9C7C.4060906@colbyconsulting.com> <002701cc9711$c8f37b60$5ada7220$@net> <4EAD8D1E.4000206@colbyconsulting.com> <000001cc973e$b9e06840$2da138c0$@net> <4EADB1B8.2080605@colbyconsulting.com> <001101cc9753$b42e3a70$1c8aaf50$@net> <4EADE17D.1070205@colbyconsulting.com> <001801cc9772$e68f7910$b3ae6b30$@net> <4EAE0F47.5060601@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <002d01cc97c6$51952770$f4bf7650$@net> John - I've now become the tech "poster child" for the penalties caused by "scrimpting" on technology. Bottomline: Ya can't properly mix brand new stuff (SSD, Big LCD's) and old stuff (AM2, 2009 motherboards, old chipsets, etc). Now I've got a "Frankenbuild" - HAH ! From fuller.artful at gmail.com Mon Oct 31 08:17:25 2011 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2011 09:17:25 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Windows can be so much fun In-Reply-To: <002d01cc97c6$51952770$f4bf7650$@net> References: <4EAC9C7C.4060906@colbyconsulting.com> <002701cc9711$c8f37b60$5ada7220$@net> <4EAD8D1E.4000206@colbyconsulting.com> <000001cc973e$b9e06840$2da138c0$@net> <4EADB1B8.2080605@colbyconsulting.com> <001101cc9753$b42e3a70$1c8aaf50$@net> <4EADE17D.1070205@colbyconsulting.com> <001801cc9772$e68f7910$b3ae6b30$@net> <4EAE0F47.5060601@colbyconsulting.com> <002d01cc97c6$51952770$f4bf7650$@net> Message-ID: Wow I like FrankenBuild. That is totally awesome. The software that dares not name its name. A. From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Mon Oct 31 10:38:58 2011 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2011 11:38:58 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Windows can be so much fun In-Reply-To: <002d01cc97c6$51952770$f4bf7650$@net> References: <4EAC9C7C.4060906@colbyconsulting.com> <002701cc9711$c8f37b60$5ada7220$@net> <4EAD8D1E.4000206@colbyconsulting.com> <000001cc973e$b9e06840$2da138c0$@net> <4EADB1B8.2080605@colbyconsulting.com> <001101cc9753$b42e3a70$1c8aaf50$@net> <4EADE17D.1070205@colbyconsulting.com> <001801cc9772$e68f7910$b3ae6b30$@net> <4EAE0F47.5060601@colbyconsulting.com> <002d01cc97c6$51952770$f4bf7650$@net> Message-ID: <4EAEC112.8070207@colbyconsulting.com> LOL. I have to say I have built a couple of low end systems but what I do is go shop the low end of the latest (or one step back) motherboards / processors. Today that means an AM3 motherboard and processor. Or better AM3+ motherboard and an AM3 processor. What is happening right now is that the DDR3 has crossed the "lowest average cost" threshold and replaced DDR2. I just finished replacing my VM server. I am using my old quad core but in a new AM3+ with new DDR3 ram. I spent about $180 for my motherboard and $80 for 16 gigs of ram. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131736 But I already had a low end graphics card and I already had my processor. I thought that $260 was a darned good price for a state of the art motherboard and memory. I am still hanging out waiting for the new FX series processors to solidify. I figure that the prices will start to drop as AMD admits that they don't compete against Intel at their current price point. Probably early next year AMD will release the first major update to the chip itself making it a better bargain as well. I can wait. The whole integrated graphics thing is a huge draw, believe me I know. When I built my HTPCs I used hand me downs from my old servers which had the integrated video. For that purpose it worked swimmingly. John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it On 10/31/2011 8:12 AM, Mark Simms wrote: > John - > I've now become the tech "poster child" for the penalties caused by > "scrimpting" on technology. > Bottomline: > Ya can't properly mix brand new stuff (SSD, Big LCD's) and old stuff (AM2, > 2009 motherboards, old chipsets, etc). > > Now I've got a "Frankenbuild" - HAH ! > > > From davidmcafee at gmail.com Mon Oct 31 14:14:05 2011 From: davidmcafee at gmail.com (David McAfee) Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2011 12:14:05 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Text field not editable, weird issue Message-ID: I'm experiencing something weird on a user's computer. New user (to my database app), new screen (built specifically for her). Her screen works great on my computer whether I'm logged in to the ADP as me or as her. On her computer, it seems to be stuck in a previous text box After Update event. The first text box on the screen is where she enters the PO#. Here is the code in the after update event: Private Sub txtTranNo_AfterUpdate() DoCmd.SetWarnings False Me.lstModelSumm.RowSource = "EXEC dbo.stpSelectTempMach 0" DoCmd.SetWarnings True Me.lstPoResults.RowSource = "EXEC dbo.stpPurchasedMachinesByPO '" & Me.txtTranNo & "'" If Nz(lstPoResults.Column(0, 1), "") <> "" Then Me.lstPoResults.Selected(1) = True Call PopulateFields Else Call ClearEntryFields End If End Sub I put a break point on the very first line and stepped through every line. On my computer I can click on any entry field and enter data or combo box and select a row. I can do same either logged in as her or myself on my box. On her computer (logged in as her or myself), I can step through every line, but If I click on any other control, it behaves as if those controls are locked and if the break point still exists the first line of txtTranNo_AfterUpdate() is highlighted yellow. It is like we are stuck in the after update event. Any ideas? From charlotte.foust at gmail.com Mon Oct 31 14:52:01 2011 From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust) Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2011 12:52:01 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Text field not editable, weird issue In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Since it's an ADP, I'd suggest you check on any possible permissions differences on the two machines, both directory permissions and SQL Server permissions. Charlotte Foust On Mon, Oct 31, 2011 at 12:14 PM, David McAfee wrote: > I'm experiencing something weird on a user's computer. > > New user (to my database app), new screen (built specifically for her). > > Her screen works great on my computer whether I'm logged in to the ADP as > me or as her. > > On her computer, it seems to be stuck in a previous text box After Update > event. > > The first text box on the screen is where she enters the PO#. > > Here is the code in the after update event: > > Private Sub txtTranNo_AfterUpdate() > DoCmd.SetWarnings False > Me.lstModelSumm.RowSource = "EXEC dbo.stpSelectTempMach 0" > DoCmd.SetWarnings True > Me.lstPoResults.RowSource = "EXEC dbo.stpPurchasedMachinesByPO '" & > Me.txtTranNo & "'" > If Nz(lstPoResults.Column(0, 1), "") <> "" Then > Me.lstPoResults.Selected(1) = True > Call PopulateFields > Else > Call ClearEntryFields > End If > > End Sub > > I put a break point on the very first line and stepped through every line. > > On my computer I can click on any entry field and enter data or combo box > and select a row. > > I can do same either logged in as her or myself on my box. > > On her computer (logged in as her or myself), I can step through every > line, but If I click on any other control, > it behaves as if those controls are locked and if the break point still > exists the first line of > txtTranNo_AfterUpdate() is highlighted yellow. > > It is like we are stuck in the after update event. > > Any ideas? > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > From newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz Mon Oct 31 18:00:50 2011 From: newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz (newsgrps) Date: Tue, 01 Nov 2011 12:00:50 +1300 Subject: [AccessD] Cannot open adp in Access 2010 Message-ID: <20111031230044.THAT28897.mta02.xtra.co.nz@David-PC.dalyn.co.nz> I have a number of ADP's created in Access 2002. They open fine in Access 2002. When I try to open them in a recently installed version of Access 2010 (installed on the same machine) the screen flashes and then returns to the File menu where I was trying to open the database from. The file has not opened. I can create a new ADP from Access 2010 and link to either my SQL 2000 or SQL 2008R2 databases. All the SQL objects appear in the navigation pane. If I close the new ADP and try to open it I get the same problem as above. However, I can open the newly created ADP's in Access 2002! The problem was happening before I installed Office SP1, and still persists after installing it. Does anyone else with multiple versions of access have the same problem? Regards David Emerson Dalyn Software Ltd Wellington, New Zealand From davidmcafee at gmail.com Mon Oct 31 18:18:13 2011 From: davidmcafee at gmail.com (David McAfee) Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2011 16:18:13 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Text field not editable, weird issue In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I've checked everything that I could possibly think of. I've signed on to her computer with my network credentials (admin) and it is definitely an issue on her box. I see no missing references. She has Access 2003 installed on her box (Win XP SP3) I develop in Vista / Access 2007, but in 2002-2003 file format. (The ADP was originally created in A2000) I tried putting an exit sub before the end sub. The moment any other control is touched, the after update fires for txtTranNo. It's behaving almost like if the code was in the Before Update event and I was canceling the event. I tried to set focus on another control on the very last line of the sub and I get a 2110 error (can't move focus to control txtSN) On Mon, Oct 31, 2011 at 12:52 PM, Charlotte Foust wrote: > Since it's an ADP, I'd suggest you check on any possible permissions > differences on the two machines, both directory permissions and SQL Server > permissions. > > Charlotte Foust > > On Mon, Oct 31, 2011 at 12:14 PM, David McAfee >wrote: > > > I'm experiencing something weird on a user's computer. > > > > New user (to my database app), new screen (built specifically for her). > > > > Her screen works great on my computer whether I'm logged in to the ADP as > > me or as her. > > > > On her computer, it seems to be stuck in a previous text box After Update > > event. > > > > The first text box on the screen is where she enters the PO#. > > > > Here is the code in the after update event: > > > > Private Sub txtTranNo_AfterUpdate() > > DoCmd.SetWarnings False > > Me.lstModelSumm.RowSource = "EXEC dbo.stpSelectTempMach 0" > > DoCmd.SetWarnings True > > Me.lstPoResults.RowSource = "EXEC dbo.stpPurchasedMachinesByPO '" & > > Me.txtTranNo & "'" > > If Nz(lstPoResults.Column(0, 1), "") <> "" Then > > Me.lstPoResults.Selected(1) = True > > Call PopulateFields > > Else > > Call ClearEntryFields > > End If > > > > End Sub > > > > I put a break point on the very first line and stepped through every > line. > > > > On my computer I can click on any entry field and enter data or combo box > > and select a row. > > > > I can do same either logged in as her or myself on my box. > > > > On her computer (logged in as her or myself), I can step through every > > line, but If I click on any other control, > > it behaves as if those controls are locked and if the break point still > > exists the first line of > > txtTranNo_AfterUpdate() is highlighted yellow. > > > > It is like we are stuck in the after update event. > > > > Any ideas? > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > > > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From charlotte.foust at gmail.com Mon Oct 31 18:54:28 2011 From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust) Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2011 16:54:28 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Text field not editable, weird issue In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Is this the only user or just the only one having problems? Is there a copy of the ADP on her box or is she accessing it from a network site? If the app is on her machine, have you done a decompile and recompile on the app? Once in a while breakpoints will get stuck and only recompiling will get rid of them. If you comment out all the code in that routine but leave the shell, does the application run without an error? Is the next control in the tab order one of the two you're resetting the rowsource on? Charlotte Foust On Mon, Oct 31, 2011 at 4:18 PM, David McAfee wrote: > I've checked everything that I could possibly think of. > > I've signed on to her computer with my network credentials (admin) and it > is definitely an issue on her box. > > I see no missing references. > > She has Access 2003 installed on her box (Win XP SP3) > > I develop in Vista / Access 2007, but in 2002-2003 file format. (The ADP > was originally created in A2000) > > I tried putting an exit sub before the end sub. > The moment any other control is touched, the after update fires for > txtTranNo. > > It's behaving almost like if the code was in the Before Update event and I > was canceling the event. > > I tried to set focus on another control on the very last line of the sub > and I get a 2110 error (can't move focus to control txtSN) > > > > > On Mon, Oct 31, 2011 at 12:52 PM, Charlotte Foust < > charlotte.foust at gmail.com > > wrote: > > > Since it's an ADP, I'd suggest you check on any possible permissions > > differences on the two machines, both directory permissions and SQL > Server > > permissions. > > > > Charlotte Foust > > > > On Mon, Oct 31, 2011 at 12:14 PM, David McAfee > >wrote: > > > > > I'm experiencing something weird on a user's computer. > > > > > > New user (to my database app), new screen (built specifically for her). > > > > > > Her screen works great on my computer whether I'm logged in to the ADP > as > > > me or as her. > > > > > > On her computer, it seems to be stuck in a previous text box After > Update > > > event. > > > > > > The first text box on the screen is where she enters the PO#. > > > > > > Here is the code in the after update event: > > > > > > Private Sub txtTranNo_AfterUpdate() > > > DoCmd.SetWarnings False > > > Me.lstModelSumm.RowSource = "EXEC dbo.stpSelectTempMach 0" > > > DoCmd.SetWarnings True > > > Me.lstPoResults.RowSource = "EXEC dbo.stpPurchasedMachinesByPO '" & > > > Me.txtTranNo & "'" > > > If Nz(lstPoResults.Column(0, 1), "") <> "" Then > > > Me.lstPoResults.Selected(1) = True > > > Call PopulateFields > > > Else > > > Call ClearEntryFields > > > End If > > > > > > End Sub > > > > > > I put a break point on the very first line and stepped through every > > line. > > > > > > On my computer I can click on any entry field and enter data or combo > box > > > and select a row. > > > > > > I can do same either logged in as her or myself on my box. > > > > > > On her computer (logged in as her or myself), I can step through every > > > line, but If I click on any other control, > > > it behaves as if those controls are locked and if the break point still > > > exists the first line of > > > txtTranNo_AfterUpdate() is highlighted yellow. > > > > > > It is like we are stuck in the after update event. > > > > > > Any ideas? > > > -- > > > AccessD mailing list > > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > > > > > > > > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > From newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz Mon Oct 31 20:08:41 2011 From: newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz (newsgrps) Date: Tue, 01 Nov 2011 14:08:41 +1300 Subject: [AccessD] Cannot open adp in Access 2010 - Solved In-Reply-To: <20111031230044.THAT28897.mta02.xtra.co.nz@David-PC.dalyn.c o.nz> References: <20111031230044.THAT28897.mta02.xtra.co.nz@David-PC.dalyn.co.nz> Message-ID: <20111101010833.YGOL18437.mta03.xtra.co.nz@David-PC.dalyn.co.nz> Found the problem. The VBA Source Control Add-in was trying to load (I think). When I tried to open a module from an MDB a message came up saying VBA Source was not installed. I cleared the load behaviour boxes in the Add-in Manager and the error message went away. Then when I tried to load an ADP it loaded fine. David At 1/11/2011, newsgrps wrote: >I have a number of ADP's created in Access 2002. They open fine in >Access 2002. > >When I try to open them in a recently installed version of Access >2010 (installed on the same machine) the screen flashes and then >returns to the File menu where I was trying to open the database >from. The file has not opened. > >I can create a new ADP from Access 2010 and link to either my SQL >2000 or SQL 2008R2 databases. All the SQL objects appear in the >navigation pane. If I close the new ADP and try to open it I get the >same problem as above. However, I can open the newly created ADP's >in Access 2002! > >The problem was happening before I installed Office SP1, and still >persists after installing it. > >Does anyone else with multiple versions of access have the same problem? > > >Regards > >David Emerson >Dalyn Software Ltd >Wellington, New Zealand >-- >AccessD mailing list >AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com