From mcp2004 at mail.ru  Sun Apr  1 06:39:55 2012
From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=)
Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2012 15:39:55 +0400
Subject: [AccessD] =?utf-8?q?OT=3A_RaspberryPi?=
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Hi JC at all --

I have just  occasionally got at a competitor set of devices/technology:

http://www.imcircle.com/index.htm

http://www.imcircle.com/features.htm

http://www.imwatch.it/en-en/smartwatch/imwatch_enjoy_the_future/

Looks impressive.

Not sure I understood how "i'M CORE (tm)" will communicate with all the "i'M X" devices - wirelessly?


Thank you.

-- Shamil


Fri, 23 Mar 2012 13:33:44 -0400 ?? jwcolby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>:
> Well the saga continues.  It is somewhat amusing to watch the board progress from a dream to a 
> reality.  I got an email today which indicates that the board is undergoing Compliance Testing, the 
> process of testing whether it meets the various safety standards around the world.
> 
> Dreamers rarely think about or even know that such things exist.
> 
> I am patiently waiting my turn in line to buy.  I think I am in line to buy.  Or maybe not.  Maybe 
> someday it will actually be available and I can just order one!
> 
> Anyway, I wait.
> 
> -- 
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
> 
> Reality is what refuses to go away
> when you do not believe in it
> 
> -- 
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 


From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sun Apr  1 07:44:16 2012
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2012 08:44:16 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: RaspberryPi
In-Reply-To: <E1SEJ8V-00074i-SM.mcp2004-mail-ru@f274.mail.ru>
References: <4F6CB3F8.7090701@colbyconsulting.com>
	<E1SEJ8V-00074i-SM.mcp2004-mail-ru@f274.mail.ru>
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LOL.  The only way this is a competitor is in size.  The size of the RasperryPi is not the selling 
point though, it is the price / performance = value.

Not that this would not be cool.  Except that it has i in the name and I am not an i kinda guy.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 4/1/2012 7:39 AM, Salakhetdinov Shamil wrote:
> Hi JC at all --
>
> I have just  occasionally got at a competitor set of devices/technology:
>
> http://www.imcircle.com/index.htm
>
> http://www.imcircle.com/features.htm
>
> http://www.imwatch.it/en-en/smartwatch/imwatch_enjoy_the_future/
>
> Looks impressive.
>
> Not sure I understood how "i'M CORE (tm)" will communicate with all the "i'M X" devices - wirelessly?
>
>
> Thank you.
>
> -- Shamil
>
>
> Fri, 23 Mar 2012 13:33:44 -0400 ?? jwcolby<jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>:
>> Well the saga continues.  It is somewhat amusing to watch the board progress from a dream to a
>> reality.  I got an email today which indicates that the board is undergoing Compliance Testing, the
>> process of testing whether it meets the various safety standards around the world.
>>
>> Dreamers rarely think about or even know that such things exist.
>>
>> I am patiently waiting my turn in line to buy.  I think I am in line to buy.  Or maybe not.  Maybe
>> someday it will actually be available and I can just order one!
>>
>> Anyway, I wait.
>>
>> --
>> John W. Colby
>> Colby Consulting
>>
>> Reality is what refuses to go away
>> when you do not believe in it
>>
>> --
>> AccessD mailing list
>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>
>


From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Sun Apr  1 09:58:01 2012
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2012 07:58:01 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OT: RaspberryPi
In-Reply-To: <E1SEJ8V-00074i-SM.mcp2004-mail-ru@f274.mail.ru>
References: <4F6CB3F8.7090701@colbyconsulting.com>
	<E1SEJ8V-00074i-SM.mcp2004-mail-ru@f274.mail.ru>
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Voluptuous, sensual, and seductive.  

And she taking her clothes off.

What else do I need to know about this product?

R


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Salakhetdinov
Shamil
Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2012 4:40 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: RaspberryPi

Hi JC at all --

I have just  occasionally got at a competitor set of devices/technology:

http://www.imcircle.com/index.htm

http://www.imcircle.com/features.htm

http://www.imwatch.it/en-en/smartwatch/imwatch_enjoy_the_future/

Looks impressive.

Not sure I understood how "i'M CORE (tm)" will communicate with all the "i'M
X" devices - wirelessly?


Thank you.

-- Shamil


Fri, 23 Mar 2012 13:33:44 -0400 ?? jwcolby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>:
> Well the saga continues.  It is somewhat amusing to watch the board 
> progress from a dream to a reality.  I got an email today which 
> indicates that the board is undergoing Compliance Testing, the process of
testing whether it meets the various safety standards around the world.
> 
> Dreamers rarely think about or even know that such things exist.
> 
> I am patiently waiting my turn in line to buy.  I think I am in line 
> to buy.  Or maybe not.  Maybe someday it will actually be available and I
can just order one!
> 
> Anyway, I wait.
> 
> --
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
> 
> Reality is what refuses to go away
> when you do not believe in it
> 
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 

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From mcp2004 at mail.ru  Sun Apr  1 10:46:35 2012
From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=)
Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2012 19:46:35 +0400
Subject: [AccessD] =?utf-8?q?OT=3A_RaspberryPi?=
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References: <4F6CB3F8.7090701@colbyconsulting.com>
	<E1SEJ8V-00074i-SM.mcp2004-mail-ru@f274.mail.ru>
	<4F784DA0.3060900@colbyconsulting.com>
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Hi John --

Thank you for your remark.

I meant a competitor in implementing of an idea of having one (quad-core) processor + WiFi+... packed into a small "i'm-Core" box to be used to control/communicate with a set of devices. That's cool. And that's how it will be done soon by most of the mobile world hardware producers I suppose.  IMO that idea and its implementation is as cool as and as far going as the first iPhone was...

We will see...

Thank you.

-- Shamil


Sun, 01 Apr 2012 08:44:16 -0400 ?? jwcolby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>:
> LOL.  The only way this is a competitor is in size.  The size of the RasperryPi is not the selling 
> point though, it is the price / performance = value.
> 
> Not that this would not be cool.  Except that it has i in the name and I am not an i kinda guy.
> 
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
> 
> Reality is what refuses to go away
> when you do not believe in it
> 
> On 4/1/2012 7:39 AM, Salakhetdinov Shamil wrote:
> > Hi JC at all --
> >
> > I have just  occasionally got at a competitor set of devices/technology:
> >
> > http://www.imcircle.com/index.htm
> >
> > http://www.imcircle.com/features.htm
> >
> > http://www.imwatch.it/en-en/smartwatch/imwatch_enjoy_the_future/
> >
> > Looks impressive.
> >
> > Not sure I understood how "i'M CORE (tm)" will communicate with all the "i'M X" devices - wirelessly?
> >
> >
> > Thank you.
> >
> > -- Shamil
> >
> >
> > Fri, 23 Mar 2012 13:33:44 -0400 ?? jwcolby<jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>:
> >> Well the saga continues.  It is somewhat amusing to watch the board progress from a dream to a
> >> reality.  I got an email today which indicates that the board is undergoing Compliance Testing, the
> >> process of testing whether it meets the various safety standards around the world.
> >>
> >> Dreamers rarely think about or even know that such things exist.
> >>
> >> I am patiently waiting my turn in line to buy.  I think I am in line to buy.  Or maybe not.  Maybe
> >> someday it will actually be available and I can just order one!
> >>
> >> Anyway, I wait.
> >>
> >> --
> >> John W. Colby
> >> Colby Consulting
> >>
> >> Reality is what refuses to go away
> >> when you do not believe in it
> >>
> >> --
> >> AccessD mailing list
> >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >>
> >
> 
> -- 
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 


From mcp2004 at mail.ru  Sun Apr  1 10:57:17 2012
From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=)
Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2012 19:57:17 +0400
Subject: [AccessD] =?utf-8?q?OT=3A_RaspberryPi?=
In-Reply-To: <96268DB44DBE42E49017D0A852AF2BE6@HAL9007>
References: <4F6CB3F8.7090701@colbyconsulting.com>
	<E1SEJ8V-00074i-SM.mcp2004-mail-ru@f274.mail.ru>
	<96268DB44DBE42E49017D0A852AF2BE6@HAL9007>
Message-ID: <E1SEN9Z-00054K-Ui.mcp2004-mail-ru@f164.mail.ru>

Hi Rocky --

> What else do I need to know about this product?
Read:  http://www.imcircle.com/features.htm

> Voluptuous, sensual, and seductive.  
It comes from Italy and that Italian origins explains all...

Thank you.

-- Shamil

Sun, 1 Apr 2012 07:58:01 -0700 ?? "Rocky Smolin" <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>:
> Voluptuous, sensual, and seductive.  
> 
> And she taking her clothes off.
> 
> What else do I need to know about this product?
> 
> R
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Salakhetdinov
> Shamil
> Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2012 4:40 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: RaspberryPi
> 
> Hi JC at all --
> 
> I have just  occasionally got at a competitor set of devices/technology:
> 
> http://www.imcircle.com/index.htm
> 
> http://www.imcircle.com/features.htm
> 
> http://www.imwatch.it/en-en/smartwatch/imwatch_enjoy_the_future/
> 
> Looks impressive.
> 
> Not sure I understood how "i'M CORE (tm)" will communicate with all the "i'M
> X" devices - wirelessly?
> 
> 
> Thank you.
> 
> -- Shamil
> 
> 
> Fri, 23 Mar 2012 13:33:44 -0400 ?? jwcolby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>:
> > Well the saga continues.  It is somewhat amusing to watch the board 
> > progress from a dream to a reality.  I got an email today which 
> > indicates that the board is undergoing Compliance Testing, the process of
> testing whether it meets the various safety standards around the world.
> > 
> > Dreamers rarely think about or even know that such things exist.
> > 
> > I am patiently waiting my turn in line to buy.  I think I am in line 
> > to buy.  Or maybe not.  Maybe someday it will actually be available and I
> can just order one!
> > 
> > Anyway, I wait.
> > 
> > --
> > John W. Colby
> > Colby Consulting
> > 
> > Reality is what refuses to go away
> > when you do not believe in it
> > 
> > --
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > 
> 
> -- 
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 
> 
> -- 
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 


From hans.andersen at phulse.com  Sun Apr  1 16:07:29 2012
From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen)
Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2012 14:07:29 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OT: RaspberryPi
In-Reply-To: <E1SEN9Z-00054K-Ui.mcp2004-mail-ru@f164.mail.ru>
References: <4F6CB3F8.7090701@colbyconsulting.com>
	<E1SEJ8V-00074i-SM.mcp2004-mail-ru@f274.mail.ru>
	<96268DB44DBE42E49017D0A852AF2BE6@HAL9007>
	<E1SEN9Z-00054K-Ui.mcp2004-mail-ru@f164.mail.ru>
Message-ID: <5481BFF4-B479-407F-BAAC-6C228DCF087E@phulse.com>


I was going to say that it all seemed like the marketing department was given too much control and probably vapourware, but then I realized it was an italian product and they focus typically a lot on design anyways.

Interesting concept, but I'm not sure people will want to have to pay for so many screens unless they are quire inexpensive. i have a feeling this isn't meant to be a consumer product, but more luxury, given this same company sells $400 watches.

Hans


On 2012-04-01, at 8:57 AM, Salakhetdinov Shamil wrote:

> Hi Rocky --
> 
>> What else do I need to know about this product?
> Read:  http://www.imcircle.com/features.htm
> 
>> Voluptuous, sensual, and seductive.  
> It comes from Italy and that Italian origins explains all...
> 
> Thank you.
> 
> -- Shamil
> 
> Sun, 1 Apr 2012 07:58:01 -0700 ?? "Rocky Smolin" <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>:
>> Voluptuous, sensual, and seductive.  
>> 
>> And she taking her clothes off.
>> 
>> What else do I need to know about this product?
>> 
>> R
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Salakhetdinov
>> Shamil
>> Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2012 4:40 AM
>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: RaspberryPi
>> 
>> Hi JC at all --
>> 
>> I have just  occasionally got at a competitor set of devices/technology:
>> 
>> http://www.imcircle.com/index.htm
>> 
>> http://www.imcircle.com/features.htm
>> 
>> http://www.imwatch.it/en-en/smartwatch/imwatch_enjoy_the_future/
>> 
>> Looks impressive.
>> 
>> Not sure I understood how "i'M CORE (tm)" will communicate with all the "i'M
>> X" devices - wirelessly?
>> 
>> 
>> Thank you.
>> 
>> -- Shamil
>> 
>> 
>> Fri, 23 Mar 2012 13:33:44 -0400 ?? jwcolby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>:
>>> Well the saga continues.  It is somewhat amusing to watch the board 
>>> progress from a dream to a reality.  I got an email today which 
>>> indicates that the board is undergoing Compliance Testing, the process of
>> testing whether it meets the various safety standards around the world.
>>> 
>>> Dreamers rarely think about or even know that such things exist.
>>> 
>>> I am patiently waiting my turn in line to buy.  I think I am in line 
>>> to buy.  Or maybe not.  Maybe someday it will actually be available and I
>> can just order one!
>>> 
>>> Anyway, I wait.
>>> 
>>> --
>>> John W. Colby
>>> Colby Consulting
>>> 
>>> Reality is what refuses to go away
>>> when you do not believe in it
>>> 
>>> --
>>> AccessD mailing list
>>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>> 
>> 
>> -- 
>> AccessD mailing list
>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>> 
>> 
>> -- 
>> AccessD mailing list
>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>> 
> 
> -- 
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> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com



From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Sun Apr  1 16:34:04 2012
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2012 14:34:04 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OT: RaspberryPi
In-Reply-To: <E1SEMzD-0000fp-6w.mcp2004-mail-ru@f159.mail.ru>
References: <4F6CB3F8.7090701@colbyconsulting.com><E1SEJ8V-00074i-SM.mcp2004-mail-ru@f274.mail.ru><4F784DA0.3060900@colbyconsulting.com>
	<E1SEMzD-0000fp-6w.mcp2004-mail-ru@f159.mail.ru>
Message-ID: <64404CDE2EC34EB2B83689258087ED71@HAL9007>

One of the regulars I bike with told me today that he just got an 8GB SD
card with built-in wi-fi.  Take the picture - transmit to your phone or
computer or to someone else's phone, computer, web site. 

It's getting closer...

R


 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Salakhetdinov
Shamil
Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2012 8:47 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: RaspberryPi

Hi John --

Thank you for your remark.

I meant a competitor in implementing of an idea of having one (quad-core)
processor + WiFi+... packed into a small "i'm-Core" box to be used to
control/communicate with a set of devices. That's cool. And that's how it
will be done soon by most of the mobile world hardware producers I suppose.
IMO that idea and its implementation is as cool as and as far going as the
first iPhone was...

We will see...

Thank you.

-- Shamil


Sun, 01 Apr 2012 08:44:16 -0400 ?? jwcolby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>:
> LOL.  The only way this is a competitor is in size.  The size of the 
> RasperryPi is not the selling point though, it is the price / performance
= value.
> 
> Not that this would not be cool.  Except that it has i in the name and I
am not an i kinda guy.
> 
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
> 
> Reality is what refuses to go away
> when you do not believe in it
> 
> On 4/1/2012 7:39 AM, Salakhetdinov Shamil wrote:
> > Hi JC at all --
> >
> > I have just  occasionally got at a competitor set of devices/technology:
> >
> > http://www.imcircle.com/index.htm
> >
> > http://www.imcircle.com/features.htm
> >
> > http://www.imwatch.it/en-en/smartwatch/imwatch_enjoy_the_future/
> >
> > Looks impressive.
> >
> > Not sure I understood how "i'M CORE (tm)" will communicate with all the
"i'M X" devices - wirelessly?
> >
> >
> > Thank you.
> >
> > -- Shamil
> >
> >
> > Fri, 23 Mar 2012 13:33:44 -0400 ?? jwcolby<jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>:
> >> Well the saga continues.  It is somewhat amusing to watch the board 
> >> progress from a dream to a reality.  I got an email today which 
> >> indicates that the board is undergoing Compliance Testing, the process
of testing whether it meets the various safety standards around the world.
> >>
> >> Dreamers rarely think about or even know that such things exist.
> >>
> >> I am patiently waiting my turn in line to buy.  I think I am in 
> >> line to buy.  Or maybe not.  Maybe someday it will actually be
available and I can just order one!
> >>
> >> Anyway, I wait.
> >>
> >> --
> >> John W. Colby
> >> Colby Consulting
> >>
> >> Reality is what refuses to go away
> >> when you do not believe in it
> >>
> >> --
> >> AccessD mailing list
> >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >>
> >
> 
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 

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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Sun Apr  1 16:35:29 2012
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2012 14:35:29 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OT: RaspberryPi
In-Reply-To: <E1SEN9Z-00054K-Ui.mcp2004-mail-ru@f164.mail.ru>
References: <4F6CB3F8.7090701@colbyconsulting.com><E1SEJ8V-00074i-SM.mcp2004-mail-ru@f274.mail.ru><96268DB44DBE42E49017D0A852AF2BE6@HAL9007>
	<E1SEN9Z-00054K-Ui.mcp2004-mail-ru@f164.mail.ru>
Message-ID: <C729A0D0FC1B4FB3B7C8D2922B98BDBB@HAL9007>

The girl's not an option outside of Italy, then?

R
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Salakhetdinov
Shamil
Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2012 8:57 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: RaspberryPi

Hi Rocky --

> What else do I need to know about this product?
Read:  http://www.imcircle.com/features.htm

> Voluptuous, sensual, and seductive.  
It comes from Italy and that Italian origins explains all...

Thank you.

-- Shamil

Sun, 1 Apr 2012 07:58:01 -0700 ?? "Rocky Smolin" <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>:
> Voluptuous, sensual, and seductive.  
> 
> And she taking her clothes off.
> 
> What else do I need to know about this product?
> 
> R
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> Salakhetdinov Shamil
> Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2012 4:40 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: RaspberryPi
> 
> Hi JC at all --
> 
> I have just  occasionally got at a competitor set of devices/technology:
> 
> http://www.imcircle.com/index.htm
> 
> http://www.imcircle.com/features.htm
> 
> http://www.imwatch.it/en-en/smartwatch/imwatch_enjoy_the_future/
> 
> Looks impressive.
> 
> Not sure I understood how "i'M CORE (tm)" will communicate with all 
> the "i'M X" devices - wirelessly?
> 
> 
> Thank you.
> 
> -- Shamil
> 
> 
> Fri, 23 Mar 2012 13:33:44 -0400 ?? jwcolby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>:
> > Well the saga continues.  It is somewhat amusing to watch the board 
> > progress from a dream to a reality.  I got an email today which 
> > indicates that the board is undergoing Compliance Testing, the 
> > process of
> testing whether it meets the various safety standards around the world.
> > 
> > Dreamers rarely think about or even know that such things exist.
> > 
> > I am patiently waiting my turn in line to buy.  I think I am in line 
> > to buy.  Or maybe not.  Maybe someday it will actually be available 
> > and I
> can just order one!
> > 
> > Anyway, I wait.
> > 
> > --
> > John W. Colby
> > Colby Consulting
> > 
> > Reality is what refuses to go away
> > when you do not believe in it
> > 
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Mon Apr  2 11:35:41 2012
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2012 09:35:41 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Forms Jumping in mde
Message-ID: <39A1213C18A14749BF7B6AC562BFC70D@HAL9007>

Dear List:
 
I have an application which, when compiled into an mde, causes the forms to
jump annoyingly when they open.
 
I had this problem with another application years ago and got a fix from
A.D. but that doesn't seem to work on this app.
 
In each form I do the form resizing from the ADH and call the routines to
translate the form into a different language.  Suspecting these might be the
problem, I commented out all calls to those routines.  No difference.
 
I also close each form that calls another form so that only one form is open
at a time.  I commented out those closes. And the jumping went away. I
originally put those closes in there to keep the users from using the open
windows for navigating but I turn off the menu bar with the windows list
box, and turn off the windows in the taskbar if it's the mde.  
 
Is there some limit or downside to having a lot of windows open at once?
There are about 150 forms in this app.
 
MTIA
 
Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
858-259-4334
www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> 
www.e-z-mrp.com <http://www.e-z-mrp.com/> 
Skype: rocky.smolin
 

From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Mon Apr  2 11:49:19 2012
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2012 09:49:19 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Forms Jumping in mde
In-Reply-To: <39A1213C18A14749BF7B6AC562BFC70D@HAL9007>
References: <39A1213C18A14749BF7B6AC562BFC70D@HAL9007>
Message-ID: <C25E149E201444E4B06662927AAECB24@HAL9007>

Or even better, is there some way to eliminate that jumping without having
to do a lot of reprogramming and testing (just commenting out the closes
won't work completely because I do some navigating based on whether another
form is open).

TIA

Rocky
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Monday, April 02, 2012 9:36 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Forms Jumping in mde

Dear List:
 
I have an application which, when compiled into an mde, causes the forms to
jump annoyingly when they open.
 
I had this problem with another application years ago and got a fix from
A.D. but that doesn't seem to work on this app.
 
In each form I do the form resizing from the ADH and call the routines to
translate the form into a different language.  Suspecting these might be the
problem, I commented out all calls to those routines.  No difference.
 
I also close each form that calls another form so that only one form is open
at a time.  I commented out those closes. And the jumping went away. I
originally put those closes in there to keep the users from using the open
windows for navigating but I turn off the menu bar with the windows list
box, and turn off the windows in the taskbar if it's the mde.  
 
Is there some limit or downside to having a lot of windows open at once?
There are about 150 forms in this app.
 
MTIA
 
Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
858-259-4334
www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> www.e-z-mrp.com
<http://www.e-z-mrp.com/>
Skype: rocky.smolin
 
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Mon Apr  2 12:20:22 2012
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2012 10:20:22 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Forms Jumping in mde
In-Reply-To: <C25E149E201444E4B06662927AAECB24@HAL9007>
References: <39A1213C18A14749BF7B6AC562BFC70D@HAL9007>
	<C25E149E201444E4B06662927AAECB24@HAL9007>
Message-ID: <6FD39235D6A2409A9FAB7DDC4ECF329B@HAL9007>

I'm noticing that there is a small jump when using the mdb.  SO it may not
be related just to the mdb but the mde may be exaggerating the effect.

Rocky
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Monday, April 02, 2012 9:49 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Forms Jumping in mde

Or even better, is there some way to eliminate that jumping without having
to do a lot of reprogramming and testing (just commenting out the closes
won't work completely because I do some navigating based on whether another
form is open).

TIA

Rocky
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Monday, April 02, 2012 9:36 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Forms Jumping in mde

Dear List:
 
I have an application which, when compiled into an mde, causes the forms to
jump annoyingly when they open.
 
I had this problem with another application years ago and got a fix from
A.D. but that doesn't seem to work on this app.
 
In each form I do the form resizing from the ADH and call the routines to
translate the form into a different language.  Suspecting these might be the
problem, I commented out all calls to those routines.  No difference.
 
I also close each form that calls another form so that only one form is open
at a time.  I commented out those closes. And the jumping went away. I
originally put those closes in there to keep the users from using the open
windows for navigating but I turn off the menu bar with the windows list
box, and turn off the windows in the taskbar if it's the mde.  
 
Is there some limit or downside to having a lot of windows open at once?
There are about 150 forms in this app.
 
MTIA
 
Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
858-259-4334
www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> www.e-z-mrp.com
<http://www.e-z-mrp.com/>
Skype: rocky.smolin
 
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Mon Apr  2 13:20:47 2012
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2012 11:20:47 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Forms Jumping in mde
In-Reply-To: <6FD39235D6A2409A9FAB7DDC4ECF329B@HAL9007>
References: <39A1213C18A14749BF7B6AC562BFC70D@HAL9007><C25E149E201444E4B06662927AAECB24@HAL9007>
	<6FD39235D6A2409A9FAB7DDC4ECF329B@HAL9007>
Message-ID: <467EBBD5E74E45F9A0E473D3BC3BADA8@HAL9007>

OK, Last Clue - I put the mde on my test bed and ran it in 2010 - no
jumping; I ran it in 2007 - no jumping;  I ran it in 2003 - JUMPING!!!

Something to do with 2003 apparently even though the mdb was developed and
is maintained in 2003 and compiled to the mde in 2003.  Could it be just my
install?

Rocky
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Monday, April 02, 2012 10:20 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Forms Jumping in mde

I'm noticing that there is a small jump when using the mdb.  SO it may not
be related just to the mdb but the mde may be exaggerating the effect.

Rocky
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Monday, April 02, 2012 9:49 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Forms Jumping in mde

Or even better, is there some way to eliminate that jumping without having
to do a lot of reprogramming and testing (just commenting out the closes
won't work completely because I do some navigating based on whether another
form is open).

TIA

Rocky
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Monday, April 02, 2012 9:36 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Forms Jumping in mde

Dear List:
 
I have an application which, when compiled into an mde, causes the forms to
jump annoyingly when they open.
 
I had this problem with another application years ago and got a fix from
A.D. but that doesn't seem to work on this app.
 
In each form I do the form resizing from the ADH and call the routines to
translate the form into a different language.  Suspecting these might be the
problem, I commented out all calls to those routines.  No difference.
 
I also close each form that calls another form so that only one form is open
at a time.  I commented out those closes. And the jumping went away. I
originally put those closes in there to keep the users from using the open
windows for navigating but I turn off the menu bar with the windows list
box, and turn off the windows in the taskbar if it's the mde.  
 
Is there some limit or downside to having a lot of windows open at once?
There are about 150 forms in this app.
 
MTIA
 
Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
858-259-4334
www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> www.e-z-mrp.com
<http://www.e-z-mrp.com/>
Skype: rocky.smolin
 
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Apr  2 15:51:29 2012
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2012 16:51:29 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] VM loses connection briefly
Message-ID: <4F7A1151.8030409@colbyconsulting.com>

I lost my vm server the other day and had to rebuild from scratch.  Now one of my VMs is losing 
connection with the network for a few seconds periodically.  The time is every 30 seconds or so and 
it loses connection for a few seconds.

*ANNOYING*!!

Of course it is also a very real issue (beyond the annoyance) because this is my DEV machine and 
when the C# program loses connection the environment itself pops up a "source file lost" of some such.

I tried deleting the NIC of the VM and recreating it.  That didn't help.  It is possible that it is 
the NIC drivers on the Hyper-V host.  I had a heck of a time getting the machine rebuilt because 
this is a "consumer" motherboard and it doesn't think Server2008R2 is a valid OS.  I had to download 
all the drivers to a thumb drive and install from there, one by one.  Who really knows whether I 
have the latest drivers.

I have ordered an INTEL NIC card from NewEgg just to see if that is the issue.

I am wondering if anyone has ever seen this before?

-- 
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Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it


From marksimms at verizon.net  Mon Apr  2 16:47:26 2012
From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms)
Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2012 17:47:26 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] VM loses connection briefly
In-Reply-To: <4F7A1151.8030409@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4F7A1151.8030409@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <000601cd111a$320f7c70$962e7550$@net>

John - just because you have the LATEST drivers, that doesn't mean they are
"solid".
We all know where the drivers are made today, right ?

I went thru hell with both new machines that I built....all problems were
driver related.
And now the advent of 64 bit has created an avalanche of driver-related
issues.




From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Mon Apr  2 17:16:28 2012
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2012 18:16:28 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] VM loses connection briefly
In-Reply-To: <000601cd111a$320f7c70$962e7550$@net>
References: <4F7A1151.8030409@colbyconsulting.com>
	<000601cd111a$320f7c70$962e7550$@net>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1jLg4hJX4TZYVNL-Ws_zH910O4uMrqKN2o1QrLZWU18FA@mail.gmail.com>

Just a comment, not quite related to the topic, but rather to the
driver-related part of it. About a month ago I bought a 1TB USB 3.0
external drive, primarily so I could back up and then reformat my four
internal drives and rebuild them from scratch (not restore them). The boot
drive was running Windows 7 Ultimate. So once everything was backed up, I
reformatted the drives and reinstalled Win7 Ultimate and various essentials
such as Office 2007, NoteTab, xPlorer2 and a couple of other things I can't
live without. Then I did a regular backup of that so if ever I needed to, I
could restore my essential setup very quickly. Anyway, that's not the
point. The point is that somehow, some way, after rebuilding the boot
drive, my sound card failed to work. After much investigation, Google
searches, etc., I discovered that its driver had gone missing. How, I have
no idea. Anyway, I was about to go buy a replacement when I finally learned
that the driver was missing. I downloaded it and presto, the card was back
in business! Lucky day for me.

A.

On Mon, Apr 2, 2012 at 5:47 PM, Mark Simms <marksimms at verizon.net> wrote:

> John - just because you have the LATEST drivers, that doesn't mean they are
> "solid".
> We all know where the drivers are made today, right ?
>
> I went thru hell with both new machines that I built....all problems were
> driver related.
> And now the advent of 64 bit has created an avalanche of driver-related
> issues.
>
>
>

From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au  Mon Apr  2 18:29:53 2012
From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins)
Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2012 23:29:53 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] VM loses connection briefly
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1jLg4hJX4TZYVNL-Ws_zH910O4uMrqKN2o1QrLZWU18FA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4F7A1151.8030409@colbyconsulting.com>
	<000601cd111a$320f7c70$962e7550$@net>
	<CAEPJO1jLg4hJX4TZYVNL-Ws_zH910O4uMrqKN2o1QrLZWU18FA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B50CF0B5DB@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>

My Wife's PC main motherboard seems to have a similar issue when doing a clean install - it can never find the driver for the LAN connection which is a right PITA.  I need to get a copy of the driver from the OEM website (via a 2nd PC that has internet connection, luckily I have a few of them laying around the house) and then install.   This slows things down a lot as windows cannot update as it installs.  Bah... I guess it is not something I need to do often, but I am just lucky I know enough about these things to figure out a fix....

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Tuesday, 3 April 2012 8:16 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] VM loses connection briefly

Just a comment, not quite related to the topic, but rather to the driver-related part of it. About a month ago I bought a 1TB USB 3.0 external drive, primarily so I could back up and then reformat my four internal drives and rebuild them from scratch (not restore them). The boot drive was running Windows 7 Ultimate. So once everything was backed up, I reformatted the drives and reinstalled Win7 Ultimate and various essentials such as Office 2007, NoteTab, xPlorer2 and a couple of other things I can't live without. Then I did a regular backup of that so if ever I needed to, I could restore my essential setup very quickly. Anyway, that's not the point. The point is that somehow, some way, after rebuilding the boot drive, my sound card failed to work. After much investigation, Google searches, etc., I discovered that its driver had gone missing. How, I have no idea. Anyway, I was about to go buy a replacement when I finally learned that the driver was missing. I downloaded it and presto, the card was back in business! Lucky day for me.

A.

On Mon, Apr 2, 2012 at 5:47 PM, Mark Simms <marksimms at verizon.net> wrote:

> John - just because you have the LATEST drivers, that doesn't mean 
> they are "solid".
> We all know where the drivers are made today, right ?
>
> I went thru hell with both new machines that I built....all problems 
> were driver related.
> And now the advent of 64 bit has created an avalanche of 
> driver-related issues.
>
>
>
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From adtp at airtelmail.in  Mon Apr  2 22:54:53 2012
From: adtp at airtelmail.in (A.D. Tejpal)
Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2012 09:24:53 +0530
Subject: [AccessD] Forms Jumping in mde
References: <39A1213C18A14749BF7B6AC562BFC70D@HAL9007><C25E149E201444E4B06662927AAECB24@HAL9007><6FD39235D6A2409A9FAB7DDC4ECF329B@HAL9007>
	<467EBBD5E74E45F9A0E473D3BC3BADA8@HAL9007>
Message-ID: <6ABAFC702B4F4B58AA05CCD0DE2E66F9@personal4a8ede>

Rocky,

    As far as I recollect, your earlier problem had its roots in run time alteration of tool bars.

    In the present case, you might like to experiment whether the problem gets resolved if the forms are made pop up, as in that case there should be no resultant disturbance as a result of varying real estate occupied by tool bars.

Best wishes,
A.D. Tejpal
------------

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Rocky Smolin 
  To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' 
  Sent: Monday, April 02, 2012 23:50
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Forms Jumping in mde


  OK, Last Clue - I put the mde on my test bed and ran it in 2010 - no
  jumping; I ran it in 2007 - no jumping;  I ran it in 2003 - JUMPING!!!

  Something to do with 2003 apparently even though the mdb was developed and
  is maintained in 2003 and compiled to the mde in 2003.  Could it be just my
  install?

  Rocky
   

  -----Original Message-----
  From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
  [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
  Sent: Monday, April 02, 2012 10:20 AM
  To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Forms Jumping in mde

  I'm noticing that there is a small jump when using the mdb.  SO it may not
  be related just to the mdb but the mde may be exaggerating the effect.

  Rocky
   

  -----Original Message-----
  From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
  [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
  Sent: Monday, April 02, 2012 9:49 AM
  To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Forms Jumping in mde

  Or even better, is there some way to eliminate that jumping without having
  to do a lot of reprogramming and testing (just commenting out the closes
  won't work completely because I do some navigating based on whether another
  form is open).

  TIA

  Rocky
   

  -----Original Message-----
  From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
  [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
  Sent: Monday, April 02, 2012 9:36 AM
  To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
  Subject: [AccessD] Forms Jumping in mde

  Dear List:
   
  I have an application which, when compiled into an mde, causes the forms to
  jump annoyingly when they open.
   
  I had this problem with another application years ago and got a fix from
  A.D. but that doesn't seem to work on this app.
   
  In each form I do the form resizing from the ADH and call the routines to
  translate the form into a different language.  Suspecting these might be the
  problem, I commented out all calls to those routines.  No difference.
   
  I also close each form that calls another form so that only one form is open
  at a time.  I commented out those closes. And the jumping went away. I
  originally put those closes in there to keep the users from using the open
  windows for navigating but I turn off the menu bar with the windows list
  box, and turn off the windows in the taskbar if it's the mde.  
   
  Is there some limit or downside to having a lot of windows open at once?
  There are about 150 forms in this app.
   
  MTIA
   
  Rocky Smolin
  Beach Access Software
  858-259-4334
  www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> www.e-z-mrp.com
  <http://www.e-z-mrp.com/>
  Skype: rocky.smolin

From accessd at shaw.ca  Tue Apr  3 01:35:00 2012
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2012 23:35:00 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] VM loses connection briefly
In-Reply-To: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B50CF0B5DB@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
References: <4F7A1151.8030409@colbyconsulting.com><000601cd111a$320f7c70$962e7550$@net><CAEPJO1jLg4hJX4TZYVNL-Ws_zH910O4uMrqKN2o1QrLZWU18FA@mail.gmail.com>
	<56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B50CF0B5DB@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <E5DA1EC0E6B2460FBDC64B76099DEBF9@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Hi Darryl:

All the new motherboards have their own proprietary software on top of what
MS provides. I had a heck of a time getting a 64 bit Asus motherboard
working. It took close to a week before everything worked right as the only
place for the drivers was from the Asus site. 

The CPU, Video card, LAN Card, Sound card, interface components and a few
other chips sets on the board require special drivers from Asus.   

Microsoft could not find the correct drivers for anything. Even virtual
drives do not necessarily work or work consistently because the system is in
a constant state of being confused. I suspect a few of these ASUS drivers
were thrown together.

On a client's site, I installed a version of Ubuntu and unlike Windows in a
similar circumstance, it found all the necessary drivers. Impressive.

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darryl Collins
Sent: Monday, April 02, 2012 4:30 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] VM loses connection briefly

My Wife's PC main motherboard seems to have a similar issue when doing a
clean install - it can never find the driver for the LAN connection which is
a right PITA.  I need to get a copy of the driver from the OEM website (via
a 2nd PC that has internet connection, luckily I have a few of them laying
around the house) and then install.   This slows things down a lot as
windows cannot update as it installs.  Bah... I guess it is not something I
need to do often, but I am just lucky I know enough about these things to
figure out a fix....

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Tuesday, 3 April 2012 8:16 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] VM loses connection briefly

Just a comment, not quite related to the topic, but rather to the
driver-related part of it. About a month ago I bought a 1TB USB 3.0 external
drive, primarily so I could back up and then reformat my four internal
drives and rebuild them from scratch (not restore them). The boot drive was
running Windows 7 Ultimate. So once everything was backed up, I reformatted
the drives and reinstalled Win7 Ultimate and various essentials such as
Office 2007, NoteTab, xPlorer2 and a couple of other things I can't live
without. Then I did a regular backup of that so if ever I needed to, I could
restore my essential setup very quickly. Anyway, that's not the point. The
point is that somehow, some way, after rebuilding the boot drive, my sound
card failed to work. After much investigation, Google searches, etc., I
discovered that its driver had gone missing. How, I have no idea. Anyway, I
was about to go buy a replacement when I finally learned that the driver was
missing. I downloaded it a!
 nd presto, the card was back in business! Lucky day for me.

A.

On Mon, Apr 2, 2012 at 5:47 PM, Mark Simms <marksimms at verizon.net> wrote:

> John - just because you have the LATEST drivers, that doesn't mean 
> they are "solid".
> We all know where the drivers are made today, right ?
>
> I went thru hell with both new machines that I built....all problems 
> were driver related.
> And now the advent of 64 bit has created an avalanche of 
> driver-related issues.
>
>
>
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue Apr  3 08:49:14 2012
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2012 09:49:14 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Remember the web discussion?
Message-ID: <4F7AFFDA.6020201@colbyconsulting.com>

The following pretty much says it all I think.

http://techcrunch.com/2012/04/01/bootstrapped-startup-saves-over-100k-by-dropping-ie/

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From accessd at shaw.ca  Tue Apr  3 09:06:58 2012
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2012 07:06:58 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Remember the web discussion?
In-Reply-To: <4F7AFFDA.6020201@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4F7AFFDA.6020201@colbyconsulting.com>
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So true... A quick website for a client, one week...IE support two weeks.
Many clients just say 'no'. 

Jim

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Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2012 6:49 AM
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Subject: [AccessD] Remember the web discussion?

The following pretty much says it all I think.

http://techcrunch.com/2012/04/01/bootstrapped-startup-saves-over-100k-by-dro
pping-ie/

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From jackandpat.d at gmail.com  Tue Apr  3 09:15:30 2012
From: jackandpat.d at gmail.com (jack drawbridge)
Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2012 10:15:30 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Remember the web discussion?
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Interesting article John. The comments certainly run the gamut. Thanks for
the link.
jack

On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 at 9:49 AM, jwcolby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:

> The following pretty much says it all I think.
>
> http://techcrunch.com/2012/04/**01/bootstrapped-startup-saves-**
> over-100k-by-dropping-ie/<http://techcrunch.com/2012/04/01/bootstrapped-startup-saves-over-100k-by-dropping-ie/>
>
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Tue Apr  3 09:51:26 2012
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2012 07:51:26 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Forms Jumping in mde
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	<6ABAFC702B4F4B58AA05CCD0DE2E66F9@personal4a8ede>
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A.D.:

Thanks for your reply.  I'll give that a try although converting the entire
app may be a big job.  

I use the following code in each form:

' If mde then turn off windows in taskbar and menu bar
Set db = CurrentDb
If InStr(1, db.Name, "mde") <> 0 Then
    Me.MenuBar = "=1"
    On Error GoTo Err_Form_Open
End If

To turn off the menu bar.  Do you think that might be causing the jumping?

MTIA

Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
858-259-4334
www.bchacc.com
www.e-z-mrp.com
Skype: rocky.smolin
 


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of A.D. Tejpal
Sent: Monday, April 02, 2012 8:55 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Forms Jumping in mde

Rocky,

    As far as I recollect, your earlier problem had its roots in run time
alteration of tool bars.

    In the present case, you might like to experiment whether the problem
gets resolved if the forms are made pop up, as in that case there should be
no resultant disturbance as a result of varying real estate occupied by tool
bars.

Best wishes,
A.D. Tejpal
------------

  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Rocky Smolin
  To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' 
  Sent: Monday, April 02, 2012 23:50
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Forms Jumping in mde


  OK, Last Clue - I put the mde on my test bed and ran it in 2010 - no
  jumping; I ran it in 2007 - no jumping;  I ran it in 2003 - JUMPING!!!

  Something to do with 2003 apparently even though the mdb was developed and
  is maintained in 2003 and compiled to the mde in 2003.  Could it be just
my
  install?

  Rocky
   

  -----Original Message-----
  From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
  [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
  Sent: Monday, April 02, 2012 10:20 AM
  To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Forms Jumping in mde

  I'm noticing that there is a small jump when using the mdb.  SO it may not
  be related just to the mdb but the mde may be exaggerating the effect.

  Rocky
   

  -----Original Message-----
  From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
  [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
  Sent: Monday, April 02, 2012 9:49 AM
  To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Forms Jumping in mde

  Or even better, is there some way to eliminate that jumping without having
  to do a lot of reprogramming and testing (just commenting out the closes
  won't work completely because I do some navigating based on whether
another
  form is open).

  TIA

  Rocky
   

  -----Original Message-----
  From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
  [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
  Sent: Monday, April 02, 2012 9:36 AM
  To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
  Subject: [AccessD] Forms Jumping in mde

  Dear List:
   
  I have an application which, when compiled into an mde, causes the forms
to
  jump annoyingly when they open.
   
  I had this problem with another application years ago and got a fix from
  A.D. but that doesn't seem to work on this app.
   
  In each form I do the form resizing from the ADH and call the routines to
  translate the form into a different language.  Suspecting these might be
the
  problem, I commented out all calls to those routines.  No difference.
   
  I also close each form that calls another form so that only one form is
open
  at a time.  I commented out those closes. And the jumping went away. I
  originally put those closes in there to keep the users from using the open
  windows for navigating but I turn off the menu bar with the windows list
  box, and turn off the windows in the taskbar if it's the mde.  
   
  Is there some limit or downside to having a lot of windows open at once?
  There are about 150 forms in this app.
   
  MTIA
   
  Rocky Smolin
  Beach Access Software
  858-259-4334
  www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> www.e-z-mrp.com
  <http://www.e-z-mrp.com/>
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From marksimms at verizon.net  Tue Apr  3 10:22:06 2012
From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms)
Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2012 11:22:06 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Remember the web discussion?
In-Reply-To: <4F7AFFDA.6020201@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4F7AFFDA.6020201@colbyconsulting.com>
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Great article and I witnessed this when I was doing some webdev.
Multi-browser support can be hugely painful.
Strangely though, I have recently witnessed sites that work ONLY WITH IE.
Worse yet: those sites did not employe BROWSER DETECTION in their DHTML
layer....
 and although the pages would RENDER in Firefox, the forms did not behave
properly.

I kept on calling their tech support line and they were too stupid to even
tell me they only support IE.
They just kept saying "it works fine here".
Only when I asked what browser they were using did the whole problem get
revealed.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-
> bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
> Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2012 9:49 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] Remember the web discussion?
>
> The following pretty much says it all I think.
>
> http://techcrunch.com/2012/04/01/bootstrapped-startup-saves-over-100k-
> by-dropping-ie/
>
> --
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
>
> Reality is what refuses to go away
> when you do not believe in it
>
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue Apr  3 10:23:16 2012
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2012 11:23:16 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Newegg.com - Kingston 8GB 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM ECC
 Registered DDR3 1333 Server Memory Model KVR1333D3D4R9S/8G
Message-ID: <4F7B15E4.2050303@colbyconsulting.com>

Two years ago as I built my new server these were $248 each and I ended up buying 4 of them at that 
price.  6 months ago I bought 4 more at $110 each.  Now they are $65 and I will buy 8 more next 
month, at which point my SQL Server will have 128 gigs of RAM.
-- 
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Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820139140


From marksimms at verizon.net  Tue Apr  3 12:56:34 2012
From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms)
Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2012 13:56:34 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Newegg.com - Kingston 8GB 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM ECC
 Registered DDR3 1333 Server Memory Model KVR1333D3D4R9S/8G
In-Reply-To: <4F7B15E4.2050303@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4F7B15E4.2050303@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <010801cd11c3$1c5611b0$55023510$@net>

I remember the days of mainframes with 128 MEGS !!!!



From mcp2004 at mail.ru  Tue Apr  3 13:54:38 2012
From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=)
Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2012 22:54:38 +0400
Subject: [AccessD]
 =?utf-8?q?Newegg=2Ecom_-_Kingston_8GB_240-Pin_DDR3_SDRA?=
 =?utf-8?q?M_ECC_Registered_DDR3_1333_Server_Memory_Model_KVR1333D3D4R9S/8?=
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Hi Mark --

What about IBM 360 mainframe with MFT OS with 256-512 KB of RAM? (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MFT_(operating_system)#MFT )
Ever tried to "feed" such a "beast" with punchcards/control it via typewriting console?

-- Shamil

Tue, 03 Apr 2012 13:56:34 -0400 ?? "Mark Simms" <marksimms at verizon.net>:
> I remember the days of mainframes with 128 MEGS !!!!
> 
> 
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From BradM at blackforestltd.com  Tue Apr  3 14:01:45 2012
From: BradM at blackforestltd.com (Brad Marks)
Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2012 14:01:45 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Newegg.com - Kingston 8GB 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM ECC
	Registered DDR3 1333 Server Memory Model KVR1333D3D4R9S/8G
References: <4F7B15E4.2050303@colbyconsulting.com><010801cd11c3$1c5611b0$55023510$@net>
	<E1SF8sI-0004k9-3m.mcp2004-mail-ru@f77.mail.ru>
Message-ID: <E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C501540C48@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>

Shamil,

Those were the days!

IBM 360 Mod 40  (Year = 1975)

COBOL Coding sheets .... punch cards

We got one compile per day - made for some serious "desk checking"

Core dumps / Registers / Displacements  -  We have come a long ways!  

:-)


Brad




-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Salakhetdinov Shamil
Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2012 1:55 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Newegg.com - Kingston 8GB 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM ECC Registered DDR3 1333 Server Memory Model KVR1333D3D4R9S/8G

Hi Mark --

What about IBM 360 mainframe with MFT OS with 256-512 KB of RAM? (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MFT_(operating_system)#MFT )
Ever tried to "feed" such a "beast" with punchcards/control it via typewriting console?

-- Shamil

Tue, 03 Apr 2012 13:56:34 -0400 ?? "Mark Simms" <marksimms at verizon.net>:
> I remember the days of mainframes with 128 MEGS !!!!
> 
> 
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From mcp2004 at mail.ru  Tue Apr  3 14:23:19 2012
From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=)
Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2012 23:23:19 +0400
Subject: [AccessD]
 =?utf-8?q?Newegg=2Ecom_-_Kingston_8GB_240-Pin_DDR3_SDRA?=
 =?utf-8?q?M_ECC_Registered_DDR3_1333_Server_Memory_Model_KVR1333D3D4R9S/8?=
 =?utf-8?q?G?=
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Hi Brad,

> Core dumps / Registers / Displacements   
Yes. And JCL of course...

> COBOL Coding sheets .... punch cards
Coding sheets - yes, that were funny to fill that coding sheets to pass them to operators to get punch cards punched.
But that were rare occasions here - I usually got prepared punch cards by myself using noisy punchcard "punching" machines...

I have programmed mainly using IBM 360/370 Macro Assembler and some PL/1 and FORTRAN.
IBM 360/370 Macro Assembler was the best of macro assemblers ever existed I believe...

>  -  We have come a long ways!
Yes. And we're still proceeding not bad I suppose !  :)

Thank you.

-- Shamil


Tue, 3 Apr 2012 14:01:45 -0500 ?? "Brad Marks" <BradM at blackforestltd.com>:
> Shamil,
> 
> Those were the days!
> 
> IBM 360 Mod 40  (Year = 1975)
> 
> COBOL Coding sheets .... punch cards
> 
> We got one compile per day - made for some serious "desk checking"
> 
> Core dumps / Registers / Displacements  -  We have come a long ways!  
> 
> :-)
> 
> 
> Brad
> 

<<< snip >>> 


From BradM at blackforestltd.com  Tue Apr  3 14:27:12 2012
From: BradM at blackforestltd.com (Brad Marks)
Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2012 14:27:12 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Newegg.com - Kingston 8GB 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM ECC
	Registered DDR3 1333 Server Memory Model KVR1333D3D4R9S/8G
References: <4F7B15E4.2050303@colbyconsulting.com><010801cd11c3$1c5611b0$55023510$@net><E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C501540C48@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
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Shamil,

Oh yes ... JCL!  I must have repressed those memories.

The only training we had was a stack of IBM manuals - a difficult way to learn.

Everyone I know fell asleep at least once while in "training".  I had the honor of not only
falling asleep while reading an IBM manual, but falling out of my chair unto the floor :-)

We really have come a long ways.

Brad
   

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Salakhetdinov Shamil
Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2012 2:23 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Newegg.com - Kingston 8GB 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM ECC Registered DDR3 1333 Server Memory Model KVR1333D3D4R9S/8G

Hi Brad,

> Core dumps / Registers / Displacements   
Yes. And JCL of course...

> COBOL Coding sheets .... punch cards
Coding sheets - yes, that were funny to fill that coding sheets to pass them to operators to get punch cards punched.
But that were rare occasions here - I usually got prepared punch cards by myself using noisy punchcard "punching" machines...

I have programmed mainly using IBM 360/370 Macro Assembler and some PL/1 and FORTRAN.
IBM 360/370 Macro Assembler was the best of macro assemblers ever existed I believe...

>  -  We have come a long ways!
Yes. And we're still proceeding not bad I suppose !  :)

Thank you.

-- Shamil


Tue, 3 Apr 2012 14:01:45 -0500 ?? "Brad Marks" <BradM at blackforestltd.com>:
> Shamil,
> 
> Those were the days!
> 
> IBM 360 Mod 40  (Year = 1975)
> 
> COBOL Coding sheets .... punch cards
> 
> We got one compile per day - made for some serious "desk checking"
> 
> Core dumps / Registers / Displacements  -  We have come a long ways!  
> 
> :-)
> 
> 
> Brad
> 

<<< snip >>> 

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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue Apr  3 16:06:21 2012
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2012 17:06:21 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Newegg.com - Kingston 8GB 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM ECC
 Registered DDR3 1333 Server Memory Model KVR1333D3D4R9S/8G
In-Reply-To: <E1SF8sI-0004k9-3m.mcp2004-mail-ru@f77.mail.ru>
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 > What about IBM 360 mainframe with MFT OS with 256-512 KB of RAM

LOL, that is a (relatively) modern machine.  I was trained to fix the Univac 642B, and maintained 
them until I left the US Navy in 1978.

http://www.dluper.com/CP642B.html
http://ed-thelen.org/comp-hist/univac-ntds.html

Ahh the good old days.  We actually learned each and every page of the schematics of the machine, 
and could use an o'scope to find any bad module.  The schematics said that it was designed in 1958, 
and what you see in the pictures are discrete transisters, resisters and capacitors making up the 
logic gates.  Each such card was a single flip-flop, or a pair of And / OR gates.  Each metal can is 
a single transistor.

I almost bought one when I got out of the Navy (surplus - they were being retired) but the power 
consumption was so high I couldn't possible feed the machine.  Not to mention that my Z-80 s-100 bus 
computer I had just finished building was about a dozen times more powerful and fit in a small suitcase.

;)

 > Ever tried to "feed" such a "beast" with punchcards/control it via typewriting console?

Yep.  Paper tape as well, although by the early 70s (when I was trained to fix these monsters) we 
were using 3/4" tape and mechanically actuated "disc pack" IBM hard drives.  IIRC the 10 platter IBM 
disc packs held about 20 mb each.  That's 40 r/w heads to get 20 MB.

The IBM 1301 Model 2 was what we used AFAICT.

http://www-03.ibm.com/ibm/history/exhibits/storage/storage_1301.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_IBM_magnetic_disk_drives#IBM_350

These systems ran the USS Kennedy Aircraft Carrier back in those days.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_John_F._Kennedy_%28CV-67%29

I was on the Kennedy from 1975 to 1978.  I was on board when we ran over the USS Belknap.  The 
following shows a picture of her after the collision and resulting fire.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Belknap_%28CG-26%29

The collision sheared the jet fuel piping off the side of the carrier and dumped jet fuel down the 
Belknap's stacks, igniting the ammunition magazines and blowing the bottom out of the ship.

But I digress rather severely!  ;)

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 4/3/2012 2:54 PM, Salakhetdinov Shamil wrote:
> Hi Mark --
>
> What about IBM 360 mainframe with MFT OS with 256-512 KB of RAM? (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MFT_(operating_system)#MFT )
> Ever tried to "feed" such a "beast" with punchcards/control it via typewriting console?
>
> -- Shamil
>
> Tue, 03 Apr 2012 13:56:34 -0400 ?? "Mark Simms"<marksimms at verizon.net>:
>> I remember the days of mainframes with 128 MEGS !!!!
>>
>>
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>>
>


From Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com  Tue Apr  3 16:16:21 2012
From: Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com (Kaup, Chester)
Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2012 16:16:21 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Run Time Error 424 Object Required
Message-ID: <0B2BF8524B73A248A2F1B81BA751ED3C1B7FD942AA@houex1.kindermorgan.com>

Why might I be getting this error. Below is the code that has an issue. Error occurs at the line Enabled =.  RequestDate.Value = 4/4/2012

Dim db As Database
        Set db = CurrentDb()

        With Me.RequestDate.Value = Null 'Eliminate the previous order ID.
            .Enabled = True 'Indicate that the current record is the start of a new order.
            .SetFocus
         End With




From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Tue Apr  3 16:27:15 2012
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2012 14:27:15 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Run Time Error 424 Object Required
In-Reply-To: <0B2BF8524B73A248A2F1B81BA751ED3C1B7FD942AA@houex1.kindermorgan.com>
References: <0B2BF8524B73A248A2F1B81BA751ED3C1B7FD942AA@houex1.kindermorgan.com>
Message-ID: <AF0377A35F75491AB52963EFB768FF3A@HAL9007>

Probably not the answer but maybe give you a lead:
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/163475

I had a problem couple weeks ago about an ISAM driver needed - obscure
error, had to hunt around a long time to figure it out.  This looks like the
same sort of deal.

Is db DIMmed as DAO.Database?

Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
858-259-4334
www.bchacc.com
www.e-z-mrp.com
Skype: rocky.smolin
 
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kaup, Chester
Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2012 2:16 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Run Time Error 424 Object Required

Why might I be getting this error. Below is the code that has an issue.
Error occurs at the line Enabled =.  RequestDate.Value = 4/4/2012

Dim db As Database
        Set db = CurrentDb()

        With Me.RequestDate.Value = Null 'Eliminate the previous order ID.
            .Enabled = True 'Indicate that the current record is the start
of a new order.
            .SetFocus
         End With



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From hkotsch at arcor.de  Tue Apr  3 16:49:22 2012
From: hkotsch at arcor.de (Helmut Kotsch)
Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2012 23:49:22 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Newegg.com - Kingston 8GB 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM ECC
	Registered DDR3 1333 Server Memory Model KVR1333D3D4R9S/8G
In-Reply-To: <4F7B664D.9000704@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <JIECLJNJOMBJFEDLONCBEEOIJAAA.hkotsch@arcor.de>

Well my IBM career started as an engineer supporting manufacturing and field engineering of the 1311 disk storage in Europe/Middle East/Africa.

http://tinyurl.com/26fq3p

>From that time on I had the privilege to observe / experience / accompany the whole development of the technology up to the first 3,5" 1 GB drives in the early nineties.
Fighting the problems of VFO's (Variable Frequency Oscillators for detecting of and syncing with the disk data) and TROS (Transformer Read Only Storage which represented the controller microcode before the floppies have been invented) was our daily task.

Helmut
-----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]Im Auftrag von jwcolby
Gesendet: Dienstag, 3. April 2012 23:06
An: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Betreff: Re: [AccessD] Newegg.com - Kingston 8GB 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM ECC
Registered DDR3 1333 Server Memory Model KVR1333D3D4R9S/8G


 > What about IBM 360 mainframe with MFT OS with 256-512 KB of RAM

LOL, that is a (relatively) modern machine.  I was trained to fix the Univac 642B, and maintained 
them until I left the US Navy in 1978.

http://www.dluper.com/CP642B.html
http://ed-thelen.org/comp-hist/univac-ntds.html

Ahh the good old days.  We actually learned each and every page of the schematics of the machine, 
and could use an o'scope to find any bad module.  The schematics said that it was designed in 1958, 
and what you see in the pictures are discrete transisters, resisters and capacitors making up the 
logic gates.  Each such card was a single flip-flop, or a pair of And / OR gates.  Each metal can is 
a single transistor.

I almost bought one when I got out of the Navy (surplus - they were being retired) but the power 
consumption was so high I couldn't possible feed the machine.  Not to mention that my Z-80 s-100 bus 
computer I had just finished building was about a dozen times more powerful and fit in a small suitcase.

;)

 > Ever tried to "feed" such a "beast" with punchcards/control it via typewriting console?

Yep.  Paper tape as well, although by the early 70s (when I was trained to fix these monsters) we 
were using 3/4" tape and mechanically actuated "disc pack" IBM hard drives.  IIRC the 10 platter IBM 
disc packs held about 20 mb each.  That's 40 r/w heads to get 20 MB.

The IBM 1301 Model 2 was what we used AFAICT.

http://www-03.ibm.com/ibm/history/exhibits/storage/storage_1301.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_IBM_magnetic_disk_drives#IBM_350

These systems ran the USS Kennedy Aircraft Carrier back in those days.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_John_F._Kennedy_%28CV-67%29

I was on the Kennedy from 1975 to 1978.  I was on board when we ran over the USS Belknap.  The 
following shows a picture of her after the collision and resulting fire.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Belknap_%28CG-26%29

The collision sheared the jet fuel piping off the side of the carrier and dumped jet fuel down the 
Belknap's stacks, igniting the ammunition magazines and blowing the bottom out of the ship.

But I digress rather severely!  ;)

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 4/3/2012 2:54 PM, Salakhetdinov Shamil wrote:
> Hi Mark --
>
> What about IBM 360 mainframe with MFT OS with 256-512 KB of RAM? (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MFT_(operating_system)#MFT )
> Ever tried to "feed" such a "beast" with punchcards/control it via typewriting console?
>
> -- Shamil
>
> Tue, 03 Apr 2012 13:56:34 -0400 ?? "Mark Simms"<marksimms at verizon.net>:
>> I remember the days of mainframes with 128 MEGS !!!!
>>
>>
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Tue Apr  3 16:49:35 2012
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2012 07:49:35 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Run Time Error 424 Object Required
In-Reply-To: <0B2BF8524B73A248A2F1B81BA751ED3C1B7FD942AA@houex1.kindermorgan.com>
References: <0B2BF8524B73A248A2F1B81BA751ED3C1B7FD942AA@houex1.kindermorgan.com>
Message-ID: <4F7B706F.5426.32ACA167@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

Don't know if it is a copy/paste problem in your message, but if:

>         With Me.RequestDate.Value = Null 'Eliminate the previous order ID.

really is a single line, then you probably need a line break in there:

With Me.RequestDate
     .Value = Null 'Eliminate the previous order ID.
     .Enabled = True 'Indicate that the current record is the start of a new order.
     .SetFocus
End With



On 3 Apr 2012 at 16:16, Kaup, Chester wrote:

> Why might I be getting this error. Below is the code that has an issue. Error occurs at the line Enabled =.  RequestDate.Value = 4/4/2012
> 
> Dim db As Database
>         Set db = CurrentDb()
> 
>         With Me.RequestDate.Value = Null 'Eliminate the previous order ID.
>             .Enabled = True 'Indicate that the current record is the start of a new order.
>             .SetFocus
>          End With
> 
> 
> 
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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Tue Apr  3 22:07:35 2012
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2012 23:07:35 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] New Project
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1j3rSx15DR1RJocxAwiV3bPwsmi1u2OQgThMNHMvSEB_g@mail.gmail.com>

Two members of this list, Jim Dettman and Arthur Fuller, are pleased to
announce the completion of a secret project they are beginning tomorrow. It
will forever alter the current beliefs about the world as we know it. In a
word, the team has demonstrated that the universe is an involuted
hypersphere revolving within a torus. The final verifications begin
tomorrow and were completed yesterday. Perhaps the most breathtaking thing
is, it was all done in Access and SQL Server, each compressed sufficiently
that they can run together in 64K of RAM, running CP/M at 4Mz.

How, you might ask, was this possible? Sometimes the simplest solutions
take centuries to discover. Take the air out of a Zero and you have a One.
Then the whole program can be expressed as a sequence of Ones. Then you RAR
the result and presto! Took years of work, but after the fact everything
looks easy.

An additional benefit is its extremely fast download. The team
subcontracted some disgraced physicists (recently resigned from CERN) to
build a faster-than-light download scheme, so it arrives before you click
the Download button.

Thanks to all you geniuses at AccessD. We couldn't have done it without
you! Well, actually, it already was. Version 2 was twice as fast as Version
1, and therefore arrived sooner.

This announcement was sent on April 3, but thanks to this revolutionary
technology, you'll receive it the day before yesterday..

-- 
Jim Dettman and Arthur Fuller

Just because light is fast, doesn't mean she's easy.
  -- Anon

From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au  Tue Apr  3 22:18:58 2012
From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins)
Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2012 03:18:58 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] New Project
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1j3rSx15DR1RJocxAwiV3bPwsmi1u2OQgThMNHMvSEB_g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1j3rSx15DR1RJocxAwiV3bPwsmi1u2OQgThMNHMvSEB_g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B50CF0FAFD@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>

Excellent Arthur,

Whatever it is you are consuming to pass the time these days, I will be very happy to join in if you want to share ;)  Keep up the wonderful posts.

Cheers
Darryl.



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Wednesday, 4 April 2012 1:08 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] New Project

Two members of this list, Jim Dettman and Arthur Fuller, are pleased to announce the completion of a secret project they are beginning tomorrow. It will forever alter the current beliefs about the world as we know it. In a word, the team has demonstrated that the universe is an involuted hypersphere revolving within a torus. The final verifications begin tomorrow and were completed yesterday. Perhaps the most breathtaking thing is, it was all done in Access and SQL Server, each compressed sufficiently that they can run together in 64K of RAM, running CP/M at 4Mz.

How, you might ask, was this possible? Sometimes the simplest solutions take centuries to discover. Take the air out of a Zero and you have a One.
Then the whole program can be expressed as a sequence of Ones. Then you RAR the result and presto! Took years of work, but after the fact everything looks easy.

An additional benefit is its extremely fast download. The team subcontracted some disgraced physicists (recently resigned from CERN) to build a faster-than-light download scheme, so it arrives before you click the Download button.

Thanks to all you geniuses at AccessD. We couldn't have done it without you! Well, actually, it already was. Version 2 was twice as fast as Version 1, and therefore arrived sooner.

This announcement was sent on April 3, but thanks to this revolutionary technology, you'll receive it the day before yesterday..

--
Jim Dettman and Arthur Fuller

Just because light is fast, doesn't mean she's easy.
  -- Anon
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From charlotte.foust at gmail.com  Tue Apr  3 22:19:33 2012
From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2012 20:19:33 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] New Project
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1j3rSx15DR1RJocxAwiV3bPwsmi1u2OQgThMNHMvSEB_g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1j3rSx15DR1RJocxAwiV3bPwsmi1u2OQgThMNHMvSEB_g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAH+Met-YsDKWfw=ZYm-hvwjje5rvTD9eT9pO7ny8ERmt6K_jJA@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks in advance, Arthur!

Charlotte

On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 at 8:07 PM, Arthur Fuller <fuller.artful at gmail.com>wrote:

> Two members of this list, Jim Dettman and Arthur Fuller, are pleased to
> announce the completion of a secret project they are beginning tomorrow. It
> will forever alter the current beliefs about the world as we know it. In a
> word, the team has demonstrated that the universe is an involuted
> hypersphere revolving within a torus. The final verifications begin
> tomorrow and were completed yesterday. Perhaps the most breathtaking thing
> is, it was all done in Access and SQL Server, each compressed sufficiently
> that they can run together in 64K of RAM, running CP/M at 4Mz.
>
> How, you might ask, was this possible? Sometimes the simplest solutions
> take centuries to discover. Take the air out of a Zero and you have a One.
> Then the whole program can be expressed as a sequence of Ones. Then you RAR
> the result and presto! Took years of work, but after the fact everything
> looks easy.
>
> An additional benefit is its extremely fast download. The team
> subcontracted some disgraced physicists (recently resigned from CERN) to
> build a faster-than-light download scheme, so it arrives before you click
> the Download button.
>
> Thanks to all you geniuses at AccessD. We couldn't have done it without
> you! Well, actually, it already was. Version 2 was twice as fast as Version
> 1, and therefore arrived sooner.
>
> This announcement was sent on April 3, but thanks to this revolutionary
> technology, you'll receive it the day before yesterday..
>
> --
> Jim Dettman and Arthur Fuller
>
> Just because light is fast, doesn't mean she's easy.
>  -- Anon
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>
>
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>
>

From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Wed Apr  4 00:03:55 2012
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2012 22:03:55 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] New Project
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1j3rSx15DR1RJocxAwiV3bPwsmi1u2OQgThMNHMvSEB_g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1j3rSx15DR1RJocxAwiV3bPwsmi1u2OQgThMNHMvSEB_g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2081C3FA886044B1BB22D32E684653F1@HAL9007>

I'm looking forward to having seen it.

R
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2012 8:08 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] New Project

Two members of this list, Jim Dettman and Arthur Fuller, are pleased to
announce the completion of a secret project they are beginning tomorrow. It
will forever alter the current beliefs about the world as we know it. In a
word, the team has demonstrated that the universe is an involuted
hypersphere revolving within a torus. The final verifications begin tomorrow
and were completed yesterday. Perhaps the most breathtaking thing is, it was
all done in Access and SQL Server, each compressed sufficiently that they
can run together in 64K of RAM, running CP/M at 4Mz.

How, you might ask, was this possible? Sometimes the simplest solutions take
centuries to discover. Take the air out of a Zero and you have a One.
Then the whole program can be expressed as a sequence of Ones. Then you RAR
the result and presto! Took years of work, but after the fact everything
looks easy.

An additional benefit is its extremely fast download. The team subcontracted
some disgraced physicists (recently resigned from CERN) to build a
faster-than-light download scheme, so it arrives before you click the
Download button.

Thanks to all you geniuses at AccessD. We couldn't have done it without you!
Well, actually, it already was. Version 2 was twice as fast as Version 1,
and therefore arrived sooner.

This announcement was sent on April 3, but thanks to this revolutionary
technology, you'll receive it the day before yesterday..

--
Jim Dettman and Arthur Fuller

Just because light is fast, doesn't mean she's easy.
  -- Anon
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From Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com  Wed Apr  4 07:28:55 2012
From: Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com (Kaup, Chester)
Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2012 07:28:55 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Run Time Error 424 Object Required
In-Reply-To: <4F7B706F.5426.32ACA167@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <0B2BF8524B73A248A2F1B81BA751ED3C1B7FD942AA@houex1.kindermorgan.com>
	<4F7B706F.5426.32ACA167@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <0B2BF8524B73A248A2F1B81BA751ED3C1B800DE0F0@houex1.kindermorgan.com>

That was exactly the problem. That's what I get for cutting and pasting from one DB to another and doing a good edit.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2012 4:50 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Run Time Error 424 Object Required

Don't know if it is a copy/paste problem in your message, but if:

>         With Me.RequestDate.Value = Null 'Eliminate the previous order ID.

really is a single line, then you probably need a line break in there:

With Me.RequestDate
     .Value = Null 'Eliminate the previous order ID.
     .Enabled = True 'Indicate that the current record is the start of a new order.
     .SetFocus
End With



On 3 Apr 2012 at 16:16, Kaup, Chester wrote:

> Why might I be getting this error. Below is the code that has an issue. Error occurs at the line Enabled =.  RequestDate.Value = 4/4/2012
> 
> Dim db As Database
>         Set db = CurrentDb()
> 
>         With Me.RequestDate.Value = Null 'Eliminate the previous order ID.
>             .Enabled = True 'Indicate that the current record is the start of a new order.
>             .SetFocus
>          End With
> 
> 
> 
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> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 


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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed Apr  4 10:10:12 2012
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2012 11:10:12 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] New Project
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1j3rSx15DR1RJocxAwiV3bPwsmi1u2OQgThMNHMvSEB_g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1j3rSx15DR1RJocxAwiV3bPwsmi1u2OQgThMNHMvSEB_g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4F7C6454.9070804@colbyconsulting.com>

I think you have a bug as I received the news two weeks ago.

Part of your problem is storing the state of the deflated zeros takes more room than the zeros 
themselves.  However Ones do transmit faster as they are not as wide.  What you lose in compression 
you make up in transmit speed, but some of your calculations are off as a result.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 4/3/2012 11:07 PM, Arthur Fuller wrote:
> Two members of this list, Jim Dettman and Arthur Fuller, are pleased to
> announce the completion of a secret project they are beginning tomorrow. It
> will forever alter the current beliefs about the world as we know it. In a
> word, the team has demonstrated that the universe is an involuted
> hypersphere revolving within a torus. The final verifications begin
> tomorrow and were completed yesterday. Perhaps the most breathtaking thing
> is, it was all done in Access and SQL Server, each compressed sufficiently
> that they can run together in 64K of RAM, running CP/M at 4Mz.
>
> How, you might ask, was this possible? Sometimes the simplest solutions
> take centuries to discover. Take the air out of a Zero and you have a One.
> Then the whole program can be expressed as a sequence of Ones. Then you RAR
> the result and presto! Took years of work, but after the fact everything
> looks easy.
>
> An additional benefit is its extremely fast download. The team
> subcontracted some disgraced physicists (recently resigned from CERN) to
> build a faster-than-light download scheme, so it arrives before you click
> the Download button.
>
> Thanks to all you geniuses at AccessD. We couldn't have done it without
> you! Well, actually, it already was. Version 2 was twice as fast as Version
> 1, and therefore arrived sooner.
>
> This announcement was sent on April 3, but thanks to this revolutionary
> technology, you'll receive it the day before yesterday..
>


From vbacreations at gmail.com  Wed Apr  4 10:20:12 2012
From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson)
Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2012 11:20:12 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] New Project
In-Reply-To: <4F7C6454.9070804@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <CAEPJO1j3rSx15DR1RJocxAwiV3bPwsmi1u2OQgThMNHMvSEB_g@mail.gmail.com>
	<4F7C6454.9070804@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <CAGuQ9V5PqHWXqa5VT2s_oGTcMNmHn_yqcTvcS7kDzniGym01iA@mail.gmail.com>

My system just turns the zeroes sideways instead of taking the air out of
them.

;)
On Apr 4, 2012 11:13 AM, "jwcolby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:

> I think you have a bug as I received the news two weeks ago.
>
> Part of your problem is storing the state of the deflated zeros takes more
> room than the zeros themselves.  However Ones do transmit faster as they
> are not as wide.  What you lose in compression you make up in transmit
> speed, but some of your calculations are off as a result.
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
>
> Reality is what refuses to go away
> when you do not believe in it
>
> On 4/3/2012 11:07 PM, Arthur Fuller wrote:
>
>> Two members of this list, Jim Dettman and Arthur Fuller, are pleased to
>> announce the completion of a secret project they are beginning tomorrow.
>> It
>> will forever alter the current beliefs about the world as we know it. In a
>> word, the team has demonstrated that the universe is an involuted
>> hypersphere revolving within a torus. The final verifications begin
>> tomorrow and were completed yesterday. Perhaps the most breathtaking thing
>> is, it was all done in Access and SQL Server, each compressed sufficiently
>> that they can run together in 64K of RAM, running CP/M at 4Mz.
>>
>> How, you might ask, was this possible? Sometimes the simplest solutions
>> take centuries to discover. Take the air out of a Zero and you have a One.
>> Then the whole program can be expressed as a sequence of Ones. Then you
>> RAR
>> the result and presto! Took years of work, but after the fact everything
>> looks easy.
>>
>> An additional benefit is its extremely fast download. The team
>> subcontracted some disgraced physicists (recently resigned from CERN) to
>> build a faster-than-light download scheme, so it arrives before you click
>> the Download button.
>>
>> Thanks to all you geniuses at AccessD. We couldn't have done it without
>> you! Well, actually, it already was. Version 2 was twice as fast as
>> Version
>> 1, and therefore arrived sooner.
>>
>> This announcement was sent on April 3, but thanks to this revolutionary
>> technology, you'll receive it the day before yesterday..
>>
>>
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/accessd<http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd>
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.**com<http://www.databaseadvisors.com>
>

From charlotte.foust at gmail.com  Wed Apr  4 23:13:58 2012
From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2012 21:13:58 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] New Project
In-Reply-To: <4F7C6454.9070804@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <CAEPJO1j3rSx15DR1RJocxAwiV3bPwsmi1u2OQgThMNHMvSEB_g@mail.gmail.com>
	<4F7C6454.9070804@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <CAH+Met9-UsmOtGfv-79tkB4MzvivERhnmLAGK8j4YveGY=OcLQ@mail.gmail.com>

This whole thread is off as a result!!  LOL

Charlotte

On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 8:10 AM, jwcolby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:

> I think you have a bug as I received the news two weeks ago.
>
> Part of your problem is storing the state of the deflated zeros takes more
> room than the zeros themselves.  However Ones do transmit faster as they
> are not as wide.  What you lose in compression you make up in transmit
> speed, but some of your calculations are off as a result.
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
>
> Reality is what refuses to go away
> when you do not believe in it
>
>
> On 4/3/2012 11:07 PM, Arthur Fuller wrote:
>
>> Two members of this list, Jim Dettman and Arthur Fuller, are pleased to
>> announce the completion of a secret project they are beginning tomorrow.
>> It
>> will forever alter the current beliefs about the world as we know it. In a
>> word, the team has demonstrated that the universe is an involuted
>> hypersphere revolving within a torus. The final verifications begin
>> tomorrow and were completed yesterday. Perhaps the most breathtaking thing
>> is, it was all done in Access and SQL Server, each compressed sufficiently
>> that they can run together in 64K of RAM, running CP/M at 4Mz.
>>
>> How, you might ask, was this possible? Sometimes the simplest solutions
>> take centuries to discover. Take the air out of a Zero and you have a One.
>> Then the whole program can be expressed as a sequence of Ones. Then you
>> RAR
>> the result and presto! Took years of work, but after the fact everything
>> looks easy.
>>
>> An additional benefit is its extremely fast download. The team
>> subcontracted some disgraced physicists (recently resigned from CERN) to
>> build a faster-than-light download scheme, so it arrives before you click
>> the Download button.
>>
>> Thanks to all you geniuses at AccessD. We couldn't have done it without
>> you! Well, actually, it already was. Version 2 was twice as fast as
>> Version
>> 1, and therefore arrived sooner.
>>
>> This announcement was sent on April 3, but thanks to this revolutionary
>> technology, you'll receive it the day before yesterday..
>>
>>
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From dbdoug at gmail.com  Wed Apr  4 23:23:04 2012
From: dbdoug at gmail.com (Doug Steele)
Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2012 21:23:04 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] New Project
In-Reply-To: <CAH+Met9-UsmOtGfv-79tkB4MzvivERhnmLAGK8j4YveGY=OcLQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1j3rSx15DR1RJocxAwiV3bPwsmi1u2OQgThMNHMvSEB_g@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CAFa8NkgamSOUTzxz7=cxLV6fY4jdJoL64NPaF3yB59uUSeRHmQ@mail.gmail.com>

There was a young fellow named Bright
Who could travel much faster than light.
He departed one day
In a relative way
And returned the previous night

On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 9:13 PM, Charlotte Foust
<charlotte.foust at gmail.com>wrote:

> This whole thread is off as a result!!  LOL
>
> Charlotte
>
> On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 8:10 AM, jwcolby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
> wrote:
>
> > I think you have a bug as I received the news two weeks ago.
> >
> > Part of your problem is storing the state of the deflated zeros takes
> more
> > room than the zeros themselves.  However Ones do transmit faster as they
> > are not as wide.  What you lose in compression you make up in transmit
> > speed, but some of your calculations are off as a result.
> >
> > John W. Colby
> > Colby Consulting
> >
> > Reality is what refuses to go away
> > when you do not believe in it
> >
> >
> > On 4/3/2012 11:07 PM, Arthur Fuller wrote:
> >
> >> Two members of this list, Jim Dettman and Arthur Fuller, are pleased to
> >> announce the completion of a secret project they are beginning tomorrow.
> >> It
> >> will forever alter the current beliefs about the world as we know it.
> In a
> >> word, the team has demonstrated that the universe is an involuted
> >> hypersphere revolving within a torus. The final verifications begin
> >> tomorrow and were completed yesterday. Perhaps the most breathtaking
> thing
> >> is, it was all done in Access and SQL Server, each compressed
> sufficiently
> >> that they can run together in 64K of RAM, running CP/M at 4Mz.
> >>
> >> How, you might ask, was this possible? Sometimes the simplest solutions
> >> take centuries to discover. Take the air out of a Zero and you have a
> One.
> >> Then the whole program can be expressed as a sequence of Ones. Then you
> >> RAR
> >> the result and presto! Took years of work, but after the fact everything
> >> looks easy.
> >>
> >> An additional benefit is its extremely fast download. The team
> >> subcontracted some disgraced physicists (recently resigned from CERN) to
> >> build a faster-than-light download scheme, so it arrives before you
> click
> >> the Download button.
> >>
> >> Thanks to all you geniuses at AccessD. We couldn't have done it without
> >> you! Well, actually, it already was. Version 2 was twice as fast as
> >> Version
> >> 1, and therefore arrived sooner.
> >>
> >> This announcement was sent on April 3, but thanks to this revolutionary
> >> technology, you'll receive it the day before yesterday..
> >>
> >>
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From BradM at blackforestltd.com  Thu Apr  5 13:15:59 2012
From: BradM at blackforestltd.com (Brad Marks)
Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2012 13:15:59 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Question on a Date Field that is Input on an Access Form.
References: <4F6CB3F8.7090701@colbyconsulting.com><E1SEJ8V-00074i-SM.mcp2004-mail-ru@f274.mail.ru>
	<96268DB44DBE42E49017D0A852AF2BE6@HAL9007>
Message-ID: <E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C501540EF3@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>

All,

I have a data field on an Access 2007 form.

It is set up with Format = Short Date 

Show Date Picker is Turned On.

Some users like the Date Picker.  This works nicely for them.

Other users, however, want to key in dates (without slashes) such as
040512.

I would like to accommodate these users by using VBA code to insert
slashes as needed.

040512 would become 04/15/12 for example.

When a date is entered as 040512 the user receives this error message -

"The value you entered isn't valid for this field."

Is there some way to intercept the field and add slashes before the
error message is sent?
(and still keep the field as a date field in order to have the date
picker for the users who like to use the date picker)

Thanks,
Brad   


From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Thu Apr  5 13:22:52 2012
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2012 14:22:52 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Question on a Date Field that is Input on an Access
	Form.
In-Reply-To: <E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C501540EF3@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
References: <4F6CB3F8.7090701@colbyconsulting.com>
	<E1SEJ8V-00074i-SM.mcp2004-mail-ru@f274.mail.ru>
	<96268DB44DBE42E49017D0A852AF2BE6@HAL9007>
	<E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C501540EF3@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1jqN1AYLPpJys4k_jfyiJVD_n9DdVHWxPNKEvrM+qx+9Q@mail.gmail.com>

Set the input mask to ######. That should do it. Format controls how it
looks; InputMask controls how it's entered.

HTH,
Arthur

On Thu, Apr 5, 2012 at 2:15 PM, Brad Marks <BradM at blackforestltd.com> wrote:

> All,
>
> I have a data field on an Access 2007 form.
>
> It is set up with Format = Short Date
>
> Show Date Picker is Turned On.
>
> Some users like the Date Picker.  This works nicely for them.
>
> Other users, however, want to key in dates (without slashes) such as
> 040512.
>
> I would like to accommodate these users by using VBA code to insert
> slashes as needed.
>
> 040512 would become 04/15/12 for example.
>
> When a date is entered as 040512 the user receives this error message -
>
> "The value you entered isn't valid for this field."
>
> Is there some way to intercept the field and add slashes before the
> error message is sent?
> (and still keep the field as a date field in order to have the date
> picker for the users who like to use the date picker)
>
> Thanks,
> Brad
>
>

From BradM at blackforestltd.com  Thu Apr  5 16:38:12 2012
From: BradM at blackforestltd.com (Brad Marks)
Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2012 16:38:12 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Question on a Date Field that is Input on an
	AccessForm.
References: <4F6CB3F8.7090701@colbyconsulting.com><E1SEJ8V-00074i-SM.mcp2004-mail-ru@f274.mail.ru><96268DB44DBE42E49017D0A852AF2BE6@HAL9007><E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C501540EF3@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
	<CAEPJO1jqN1AYLPpJys4k_jfyiJVD_n9DdVHWxPNKEvrM+qx+9Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C501540F2C@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>

Arthur,

I set the input mask to ##/##/## and that works nicely.

However, when I did this, I lost the use of the built-in date picker for
this field.

Maybe I am missing something here.

Thanks,
Brad

 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2012 1:23 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Question on a Date Field that is Input on an
AccessForm.

Set the input mask to ######. That should do it. Format controls how it
looks; InputMask controls how it's entered.

HTH,
Arthur

On Thu, Apr 5, 2012 at 2:15 PM, Brad Marks <BradM at blackforestltd.com>
wrote:

> All,
>
> I have a data field on an Access 2007 form.
>
> It is set up with Format = Short Date
>
> Show Date Picker is Turned On.
>
> Some users like the Date Picker.  This works nicely for them.
>
> Other users, however, want to key in dates (without slashes) such as
> 040512.
>
> I would like to accommodate these users by using VBA code to insert
> slashes as needed.
>
> 040512 would become 04/15/12 for example.
>
> When a date is entered as 040512 the user receives this error message
-
>
> "The value you entered isn't valid for this field."
>
> Is there some way to intercept the field and add slashes before the
> error message is sent?
> (and still keep the field as a date field in order to have the date
> picker for the users who like to use the date picker)
>
> Thanks,
> Brad
>
>
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From BradM at blackforestltd.com  Thu Apr  5 19:38:06 2012
From: BradM at blackforestltd.com (Brad Marks)
Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2012 19:38:06 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] "Can Grow" Property in Report Page Header - Access 2007
References: <4F6CB3F8.7090701@colbyconsulting.com><E1SEJ8V-00074i-SM.mcp2004-mail-ru@f274.mail.ru><96268DB44DBE42E49017D0A852AF2BE6@HAL9007><E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C501540EF3@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
	<CAEPJO1jqN1AYLPpJys4k_jfyiJVD_n9DdVHWxPNKEvrM+qx+9Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C59FEAFF@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>

All,

I just discovered that the "Can Grow" property is not
available in a report's Page Header section like it is
the Report Header section.

Is there some way to get around this?  Is this different with
Access 2010?

We have a report that has a field with a widely varying amount
of data that our users want at the top of every page.

Thanks,
Brad


From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Thu Apr  5 20:13:04 2012
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2012 18:13:04 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] "Can Grow" Property in Report Page Header - Access
	2007
In-Reply-To: <E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C59FEAFF@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
References: <4F6CB3F8.7090701@colbyconsulting.com><E1SEJ8V-00074i-SM.mcp2004-mail-ru@f274.mail.ru><96268DB44DBE42E49017D0A852AF2BE6@HAL9007><E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C501540EF3@blkltd.blkfst2003.local><CAEPJO1jqN1AYLPpJys4k_jfyiJVD_n9DdVHWxPNKEvrM+qx+9Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C59FEAFF@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
Message-ID: <DECA1B2557E8452B9A33885DEA780077@HAL9007>

I think if the can grow of the control with the data is set to true, it'll
push the header section big enough to fit.  Not sure but can you try and let
us know?

Rocky
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brad Marks
Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2012 5:38 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] "Can Grow" Property in Report Page Header - Access 2007

All,

I just discovered that the "Can Grow" property is not available in a
report's Page Header section like it is the Report Header section.

Is there some way to get around this?  Is this different with Access 2010?

We have a report that has a field with a widely varying amount of data that
our users want at the top of every page.

Thanks,
Brad



From BradM at blackforestltd.com  Thu Apr  5 20:24:05 2012
From: BradM at blackforestltd.com (Brad Marks)
Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2012 20:24:05 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] "Can Grow" Property in Report Page Header - Access2007
References: <4F6CB3F8.7090701@colbyconsulting.com><E1SEJ8V-00074i-SM.mcp2004-mail-ru@f274.mail.ru><96268DB44DBE42E49017D0A852AF2BE6@HAL9007><E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C501540EF3@blkltd.blkfst2003.local><CAEPJO1jqN1AYLPpJys4k_jfyiJVD_n9DdVHWxPNKEvrM+qx+9Q@mail.gmail.com><E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C59FEAFF@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
	<DECA1B2557E8452B9A33885DEA780077@HAL9007>
Message-ID: <E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C59FEB00@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>

Rocky,

I set up a test report with the same control in both the
report header and the page header.  The "Can Grow" was set to
"Yes" for this control.

The "Can Grow" was also set to "Yes" in the Report Header.

There appears to not be a "Can Grow" available in the Page Header.

I put a lot of data in the control.

The control will grow in the Report Header, but it is cut
off in the Page Header.

Our users want a field at the top of every page on one
of our reports.  The catch is that this field can vary from 0 to 200+ 
bytes of data, so it sure would be nice to be able to use a "Can Grow"
feature if there was one at the Page Header level.

Thanks for your help,

Brad   

 


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com on behalf of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Thu 4/5/2012 8:13 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] "Can Grow" Property in Report Page Header - Access2007
 
I think if the can grow of the control with the data is set to true, it'll
push the header section big enough to fit.  Not sure but can you try and let
us know?

Rocky
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brad Marks
Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2012 5:38 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] "Can Grow" Property in Report Page Header - Access 2007

All,

I just discovered that the "Can Grow" property is not available in a
report's Page Header section like it is the Report Header section.

Is there some way to get around this?  Is this different with Access 2010?

We have a report that has a field with a widely varying amount of data that
our users want at the top of every page.

Thanks,
Brad


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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Thu Apr  5 21:05:49 2012
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2012 19:05:49 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] "Can Grow" Property in Report Page Header - Access2007
In-Reply-To: <E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C59FEB00@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
References: <4F6CB3F8.7090701@colbyconsulting.com><E1SEJ8V-00074i-SM.mcp2004-mail-ru@f274.mail.ru><96268DB44DBE42E49017D0A852AF2BE6@HAL9007><E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C501540EF3@blkltd.blkfst2003.local><CAEPJO1jqN1AYLPpJys4k_jfyiJVD_n9DdVHWxPNKEvrM+qx+9Q@mail.gmail.com><E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C59FEAFF@blkltd.blkfst2003.local><DECA1B2557E8452B9A33885DEA780077@HAL9007>
	<E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C59FEB00@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
Message-ID: <1885F34AB54140C0812FB2857653A3A6@HAL9007>

What's the width of the control with the <=200 bytes?  How big could it be?
Portrait or Landscape?  Could you just make it big enough to hold the
biggest number of bytes?

R

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brad Marks
Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2012 6:24 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] "Can Grow" Property in Report Page Header -
Access2007

Rocky,

I set up a test report with the same control in both the report header and
the page header.  The "Can Grow" was set to "Yes" for this control.

The "Can Grow" was also set to "Yes" in the Report Header.

There appears to not be a "Can Grow" available in the Page Header.

I put a lot of data in the control.

The control will grow in the Report Header, but it is cut off in the Page
Header.

Our users want a field at the top of every page on one of our reports.  The
catch is that this field can vary from 0 to 200+ bytes of data, so it sure
would be nice to be able to use a "Can Grow"
feature if there was one at the Page Header level.

Thanks for your help,

Brad   

 


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com on behalf of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Thu 4/5/2012 8:13 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] "Can Grow" Property in Report Page Header -
Access2007
 
I think if the can grow of the control with the data is set to true, it'll
push the header section big enough to fit.  Not sure but can you try and let
us know?

Rocky
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brad Marks
Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2012 5:38 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] "Can Grow" Property in Report Page Header - Access 2007

All,

I just discovered that the "Can Grow" property is not available in a
report's Page Header section like it is the Report Header section.

Is there some way to get around this?  Is this different with Access 2010?

We have a report that has a field with a widely varying amount of data that
our users want at the top of every page.

Thanks,
Brad


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From charlotte.foust at gmail.com  Thu Apr  5 21:35:39 2012
From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2012 19:35:39 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] "Can Grow" Property in Report Page Header - Access2007
In-Reply-To: <E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C59FEB00@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
References: <4F6CB3F8.7090701@colbyconsulting.com>
	<E1SEJ8V-00074i-SM.mcp2004-mail-ru@f274.mail.ru>
	<96268DB44DBE42E49017D0A852AF2BE6@HAL9007>
	<E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C501540EF3@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
	<CAEPJO1jqN1AYLPpJys4k_jfyiJVD_n9DdVHWxPNKEvrM+qx+9Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C59FEAFF@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
	<DECA1B2557E8452B9A33885DEA780077@HAL9007>
	<E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C59FEB00@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
Message-ID: <CAH+Met_Dd+KE4JFSwPzFO-SbNe=ESnaLzGJZkqF4TRp3SkKzVQ@mail.gmail.com>

Brad, unless you're working in Access 2007 or 2010 when an AutoHeight
property was added that applies to page headers, here's the simplest
workaround (it's probably the simplest in 2007 or 2010 too!):  Create a
group header on the report. You can group on any value that will repeat so
you can add a phony field to the dataset with a single repeating value in
it and group on that.  Put your variable size "page header" fields in that
group and set it to repeat.  Put all your other grouping and sorting under
that.   Now you've got a "page header" that will handle different sizes of
can grow/shrink controls and will repeat on every page.

Charlotte Foust

On Thu, Apr 5, 2012 at 6:24 PM, Brad Marks <BradM at blackforestltd.com> wrote:

> Rocky,
>
> I set up a test report with the same control in both the
> report header and the page header.  The "Can Grow" was set to
> "Yes" for this control.
>
> The "Can Grow" was also set to "Yes" in the Report Header.
>
> There appears to not be a "Can Grow" available in the Page Header.
>
> I put a lot of data in the control.
>
> The control will grow in the Report Header, but it is cut
> off in the Page Header.
>
> Our users want a field at the top of every page on one
> of our reports.  The catch is that this field can vary from 0 to 200+
> bytes of data, so it sure would be nice to be able to use a "Can Grow"
> feature if there was one at the Page Header level.
>
> Thanks for your help,
>
> Brad
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com on behalf of Rocky Smolin
> Sent: Thu 4/5/2012 8:13 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] "Can Grow" Property in Report Page Header -
> Access2007
>
> I think if the can grow of the control with the data is set to true, it'll
> push the header section big enough to fit.  Not sure but can you try and
> let
> us know?
>
> Rocky
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brad Marks
> Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2012 5:38 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] "Can Grow" Property in Report Page Header - Access 2007
>
> All,
>
> I just discovered that the "Can Grow" property is not available in a
> report's Page Header section like it is the Report Header section.
>
> Is there some way to get around this?  Is this different with Access 2010?
>
> We have a report that has a field with a widely varying amount of data that
> our users want at the top of every page.
>
> Thanks,
> Brad
>
>
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From BradM at blackforestltd.com  Thu Apr  5 21:40:47 2012
From: BradM at blackforestltd.com (Brad Marks)
Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2012 21:40:47 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] "Can Grow" Property in Report Page Header - Access2007
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Rocky,

The field that can grow comes from a database that is part of 
a purchased system.  The users often enter data into this field
as multiple lines (maybe 10 lines with 20 bytes in each line for example).

I don't think that we want to make the Page Header big enough to handle 
the biggest number of bytes or lines used, as this would be wasting
a lot of space in the case when the field only has 10 bytes of data.

The "Can Grow" feature would be perfect if it was available for
the Page Header Section, but it appears that this is not the case 
in Access 2007.

Thanks for your assistance.
Brad   


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com on behalf of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Thu 4/5/2012 9:05 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] "Can Grow" Property in Report Page Header - Access2007
 
What's the width of the control with the <=200 bytes?  How big could it be?
Portrait or Landscape?  Could you just make it big enough to hold the
biggest number of bytes?

R

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brad Marks
Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2012 6:24 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] "Can Grow" Property in Report Page Header -
Access2007

Rocky,

I set up a test report with the same control in both the report header and
the page header.  The "Can Grow" was set to "Yes" for this control.

The "Can Grow" was also set to "Yes" in the Report Header.

There appears to not be a "Can Grow" available in the Page Header.

I put a lot of data in the control.

The control will grow in the Report Header, but it is cut off in the Page
Header.

Our users want a field at the top of every page on one of our reports.  The
catch is that this field can vary from 0 to 200+ bytes of data, so it sure
would be nice to be able to use a "Can Grow"
feature if there was one at the Page Header level.

Thanks for your help,

Brad   

 


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com on behalf of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Thu 4/5/2012 8:13 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] "Can Grow" Property in Report Page Header -
Access2007
 
I think if the can grow of the control with the data is set to true, it'll
push the header section big enough to fit.  Not sure but can you try and let
us know?

Rocky
 

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Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2012 5:38 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] "Can Grow" Property in Report Page Header - Access 2007

All,

I just discovered that the "Can Grow" property is not available in a
report's Page Header section like it is the Report Header section.

Is there some way to get around this?  Is this different with Access 2010?

We have a report that has a field with a widely varying amount of data that
our users want at the top of every page.

Thanks,
Brad


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From BradM at blackforestltd.com  Thu Apr  5 21:51:40 2012
From: BradM at blackforestltd.com (Brad Marks)
Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2012 21:51:40 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] "Can Grow" Property in Report Page Header - Access2007
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Charlotte,

Thanks for your ideas/insights.

I am working with Access 2007.

I have the Page Header Section "Auto Height" property set to Yes.

I have the Can Grow set to Yes for the control in question.

When were is a lot of data in this control, the Page Header Section
does not expand and the data in the control is only partially shown 
on the report.

When I put the control in the "Report Header" section, the section 
does grow and all of the data is shown

This would work nicely if the users wanted the "expanding" data field only 
on the first page of the report.  However, they want this field
on the top of every page of the report.

Brad 


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com on behalf of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Thu 4/5/2012 9:35 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] "Can Grow" Property in Report Page Header - Access2007
 
Brad, unless you're working in Access 2007 or 2010 when an AutoHeight
property was added that applies to page headers, here's the simplest
workaround (it's probably the simplest in 2007 or 2010 too!):  Create a
group header on the report. You can group on any value that will repeat so
you can add a phony field to the dataset with a single repeating value in
it and group on that.  Put your variable size "page header" fields in that
group and set it to repeat.  Put all your other grouping and sorting under
that.   Now you've got a "page header" that will handle different sizes of
can grow/shrink controls and will repeat on every page.

Charlotte Foust

On Thu, Apr 5, 2012 at 6:24 PM, Brad Marks <BradM at blackforestltd.com> wrote:

> Rocky,
>
> I set up a test report with the same control in both the
> report header and the page header.  The "Can Grow" was set to
> "Yes" for this control.
>
> The "Can Grow" was also set to "Yes" in the Report Header.
>
> There appears to not be a "Can Grow" available in the Page Header.
>
> I put a lot of data in the control.
>
> The control will grow in the Report Header, but it is cut
> off in the Page Header.
>
> Our users want a field at the top of every page on one
> of our reports.  The catch is that this field can vary from 0 to 200+
> bytes of data, so it sure would be nice to be able to use a "Can Grow"
> feature if there was one at the Page Header level.
>
> Thanks for your help,
>
> Brad
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com on behalf of Rocky Smolin
> Sent: Thu 4/5/2012 8:13 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] "Can Grow" Property in Report Page Header -
> Access2007
>
> I think if the can grow of the control with the data is set to true, it'll
> push the header section big enough to fit.  Not sure but can you try and
> let
> us know?
>
> Rocky
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brad Marks
> Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2012 5:38 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] "Can Grow" Property in Report Page Header - Access 2007
>
> All,
>
> I just discovered that the "Can Grow" property is not available in a
> report's Page Header section like it is the Report Header section.
>
> Is there some way to get around this?  Is this different with Access 2010?
>
> We have a report that has a field with a widely varying amount of data that
> our users want at the top of every page.
>
> Thanks,
> Brad
>
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From charlotte.foust at gmail.com  Thu Apr  5 22:02:06 2012
From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2012 20:02:06 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] "Can Grow" Property in Report Page Header - Access2007
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Right, so do it the way I suggested.  I know that works.  Drop the page
header entirely and use the dummy group as your page header.  If it's set
to repeat the section, it will appear on each page.

Charlotte

On Thu, Apr 5, 2012 at 7:51 PM, Brad Marks <BradM at blackforestltd.com> wrote:

> Charlotte,
>
> Thanks for your ideas/insights.
>
> I am working with Access 2007.
>
> I have the Page Header Section "Auto Height" property set to Yes.
>
> I have the Can Grow set to Yes for the control in question.
>
> When were is a lot of data in this control, the Page Header Section
> does not expand and the data in the control is only partially shown
> on the report.
>
> When I put the control in the "Report Header" section, the section
> does grow and all of the data is shown
>
> This would work nicely if the users wanted the "expanding" data field only
> on the first page of the report.  However, they want this field
> on the top of every page of the report.
>
> Brad
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com on behalf of Charlotte Foust
> Sent: Thu 4/5/2012 9:35 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] "Can Grow" Property in Report Page Header -
> Access2007
>
> Brad, unless you're working in Access 2007 or 2010 when an AutoHeight
> property was added that applies to page headers, here's the simplest
> workaround (it's probably the simplest in 2007 or 2010 too!):  Create a
> group header on the report. You can group on any value that will repeat so
> you can add a phony field to the dataset with a single repeating value in
> it and group on that.  Put your variable size "page header" fields in that
> group and set it to repeat.  Put all your other grouping and sorting under
> that.   Now you've got a "page header" that will handle different sizes of
> can grow/shrink controls and will repeat on every page.
>
> Charlotte Foust
>
> On Thu, Apr 5, 2012 at 6:24 PM, Brad Marks <BradM at blackforestltd.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Rocky,
> >
> > I set up a test report with the same control in both the
> > report header and the page header.  The "Can Grow" was set to
> > "Yes" for this control.
> >
> > The "Can Grow" was also set to "Yes" in the Report Header.
> >
> > There appears to not be a "Can Grow" available in the Page Header.
> >
> > I put a lot of data in the control.
> >
> > The control will grow in the Report Header, but it is cut
> > off in the Page Header.
> >
> > Our users want a field at the top of every page on one
> > of our reports.  The catch is that this field can vary from 0 to 200+
> > bytes of data, so it sure would be nice to be able to use a "Can Grow"
> > feature if there was one at the Page Header level.
> >
> > Thanks for your help,
> >
> > Brad
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com on behalf of Rocky Smolin
> > Sent: Thu 4/5/2012 8:13 PM
> > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] "Can Grow" Property in Report Page Header -
> > Access2007
> >
> > I think if the can grow of the control with the data is set to true,
> it'll
> > push the header section big enough to fit.  Not sure but can you try and
> > let
> > us know?
> >
> > Rocky
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brad Marks
> > Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2012 5:38 PM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: [AccessD] "Can Grow" Property in Report Page Header - Access
> 2007
> >
> > All,
> >
> > I just discovered that the "Can Grow" property is not available in a
> > report's Page Header section like it is the Report Header section.
> >
> > Is there some way to get around this?  Is this different with Access
> 2010?
> >
> > We have a report that has a field with a widely varying amount of data
> that
> > our users want at the top of every page.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Brad
> >
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Thu Apr  5 23:58:16 2012
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2012 21:58:16 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] "Can Grow" Property in Report Page Header - Access2007
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Brilliant!

R 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2012 7:36 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] "Can Grow" Property in Report Page Header -
Access2007

Brad, unless you're working in Access 2007 or 2010 when an AutoHeight
property was added that applies to page headers, here's the simplest
workaround (it's probably the simplest in 2007 or 2010 too!):  Create a
group header on the report. You can group on any value that will repeat so
you can add a phony field to the dataset with a single repeating value in it
and group on that.  Put your variable size "page header" fields in that
group and set it to repeat.  Put all your other grouping and sorting under
that.   Now you've got a "page header" that will handle different sizes of
can grow/shrink controls and will repeat on every page.

Charlotte Foust

On Thu, Apr 5, 2012 at 6:24 PM, Brad Marks <BradM at blackforestltd.com> wrote:

> Rocky,
>
> I set up a test report with the same control in both the report header 
> and the page header.  The "Can Grow" was set to "Yes" for this 
> control.
>
> The "Can Grow" was also set to "Yes" in the Report Header.
>
> There appears to not be a "Can Grow" available in the Page Header.
>
> I put a lot of data in the control.
>
> The control will grow in the Report Header, but it is cut off in the 
> Page Header.
>
> Our users want a field at the top of every page on one of our reports.  
> The catch is that this field can vary from 0 to 200+ bytes of data, so 
> it sure would be nice to be able to use a "Can Grow"
> feature if there was one at the Page Header level.
>
> Thanks for your help,
>
> Brad
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com on behalf of Rocky Smolin
> Sent: Thu 4/5/2012 8:13 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] "Can Grow" Property in Report Page Header -
> Access2007
>
> I think if the can grow of the control with the data is set to true, 
> it'll push the header section big enough to fit.  Not sure but can you 
> try and let us know?
>
> Rocky
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brad Marks
> Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2012 5:38 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] "Can Grow" Property in Report Page Header - Access 
> 2007
>
> All,
>
> I just discovered that the "Can Grow" property is not available in a 
> report's Page Header section like it is the Report Header section.
>
> Is there some way to get around this?  Is this different with Access 2010?
>
> We have a report that has a field with a widely varying amount of data 
> that our users want at the top of every page.
>
> Thanks,
> Brad
>
>
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From BradM at blackforestltd.com  Fri Apr  6 05:27:30 2012
From: BradM at blackforestltd.com (Brad Marks)
Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2012 05:27:30 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] "Can Grow" Property in Report Page Header - Access2007
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Charlotte,

Thanks for the help and explanations.

I plan to experiment with the "dummy group" approach.

Brad


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com on behalf of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Thu 4/5/2012 10:02 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] "Can Grow" Property in Report Page Header - Access2007
 
Right, so do it the way I suggested.  I know that works.  Drop the page
header entirely and use the dummy group as your page header.  If it's set
to repeat the section, it will appear on each page.

Charlotte

On Thu, Apr 5, 2012 at 7:51 PM, Brad Marks <BradM at blackforestltd.com> wrote:

> Charlotte,
>
> Thanks for your ideas/insights.
>
> I am working with Access 2007.
>
> I have the Page Header Section "Auto Height" property set to Yes.
>
> I have the Can Grow set to Yes for the control in question.
>
> When were is a lot of data in this control, the Page Header Section
> does not expand and the data in the control is only partially shown
> on the report.
>
> When I put the control in the "Report Header" section, the section
> does grow and all of the data is shown
>
> This would work nicely if the users wanted the "expanding" data field only
> on the first page of the report.  However, they want this field
> on the top of every page of the report.
>
> Brad
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com on behalf of Charlotte Foust
> Sent: Thu 4/5/2012 9:35 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] "Can Grow" Property in Report Page Header -
> Access2007
>
> Brad, unless you're working in Access 2007 or 2010 when an AutoHeight
> property was added that applies to page headers, here's the simplest
> workaround (it's probably the simplest in 2007 or 2010 too!):  Create a
> group header on the report. You can group on any value that will repeat so
> you can add a phony field to the dataset with a single repeating value in
> it and group on that.  Put your variable size "page header" fields in that
> group and set it to repeat.  Put all your other grouping and sorting under
> that.   Now you've got a "page header" that will handle different sizes of
> can grow/shrink controls and will repeat on every page.
>
> Charlotte Foust
>
> On Thu, Apr 5, 2012 at 6:24 PM, Brad Marks <BradM at blackforestltd.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Rocky,
> >
> > I set up a test report with the same control in both the
> > report header and the page header.  The "Can Grow" was set to
> > "Yes" for this control.
> >
> > The "Can Grow" was also set to "Yes" in the Report Header.
> >
> > There appears to not be a "Can Grow" available in the Page Header.
> >
> > I put a lot of data in the control.
> >
> > The control will grow in the Report Header, but it is cut
> > off in the Page Header.
> >
> > Our users want a field at the top of every page on one
> > of our reports.  The catch is that this field can vary from 0 to 200+
> > bytes of data, so it sure would be nice to be able to use a "Can Grow"
> > feature if there was one at the Page Header level.
> >
> > Thanks for your help,
> >
> > Brad
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com on behalf of Rocky Smolin
> > Sent: Thu 4/5/2012 8:13 PM
> > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] "Can Grow" Property in Report Page Header -
> > Access2007
> >
> > I think if the can grow of the control with the data is set to true,
> it'll
> > push the header section big enough to fit.  Not sure but can you try and
> > let
> > us know?
> >
> > Rocky
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brad Marks
> > Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2012 5:38 PM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: [AccessD] "Can Grow" Property in Report Page Header - Access
> 2007
> >
> > All,
> >
> > I just discovered that the "Can Grow" property is not available in a
> > report's Page Header section like it is the Report Header section.
> >
> > Is there some way to get around this?  Is this different with Access
> 2010?
> >
> > We have a report that has a field with a widely varying amount of data
> that
> > our users want at the top of every page.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Brad
> >
> >
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From charlotte.foust at gmail.com  Fri Apr  6 09:24:06 2012
From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2012 07:24:06 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] "Can Grow" Property in Report Page Header - Access2007
In-Reply-To: <37AC976EC2284D6F90D51884DC517846@HAL9007>
References: <4F6CB3F8.7090701@colbyconsulting.com>
	<E1SEJ8V-00074i-SM.mcp2004-mail-ru@f274.mail.ru>
	<96268DB44DBE42E49017D0A852AF2BE6@HAL9007>
	<E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C501540EF3@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
	<CAEPJO1jqN1AYLPpJys4k_jfyiJVD_n9DdVHWxPNKEvrM+qx+9Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C59FEAFF@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
	<DECA1B2557E8452B9A33885DEA780077@HAL9007>
	<E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C59FEB00@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
	<CAH+Met_Dd+KE4JFSwPzFO-SbNe=ESnaLzGJZkqF4TRp3SkKzVQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Old trick.  You can also group on the same field multiple times to control
what displays when.

Charlotte

On Thu, Apr 5, 2012 at 9:58 PM, Rocky Smolin <rockysmolin at bchacc.com> wrote:

> Brilliant!
>
> R
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
> Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2012 7:36 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] "Can Grow" Property in Report Page Header -
> Access2007
>
> Brad, unless you're working in Access 2007 or 2010 when an AutoHeight
> property was added that applies to page headers, here's the simplest
> workaround (it's probably the simplest in 2007 or 2010 too!):  Create a
> group header on the report. You can group on any value that will repeat so
> you can add a phony field to the dataset with a single repeating value in
> it
> and group on that.  Put your variable size "page header" fields in that
> group and set it to repeat.  Put all your other grouping and sorting under
> that.   Now you've got a "page header" that will handle different sizes of
> can grow/shrink controls and will repeat on every page.
>
> Charlotte Foust
>
> On Thu, Apr 5, 2012 at 6:24 PM, Brad Marks <BradM at blackforestltd.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Rocky,
> >
> > I set up a test report with the same control in both the report header
> > and the page header.  The "Can Grow" was set to "Yes" for this
> > control.
> >
> > The "Can Grow" was also set to "Yes" in the Report Header.
> >
> > There appears to not be a "Can Grow" available in the Page Header.
> >
> > I put a lot of data in the control.
> >
> > The control will grow in the Report Header, but it is cut off in the
> > Page Header.
> >
> > Our users want a field at the top of every page on one of our reports.
> > The catch is that this field can vary from 0 to 200+ bytes of data, so
> > it sure would be nice to be able to use a "Can Grow"
> > feature if there was one at the Page Header level.
> >
> > Thanks for your help,
> >
> > Brad
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com on behalf of Rocky Smolin
> > Sent: Thu 4/5/2012 8:13 PM
> > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] "Can Grow" Property in Report Page Header -
> > Access2007
> >
> > I think if the can grow of the control with the data is set to true,
> > it'll push the header section big enough to fit.  Not sure but can you
> > try and let us know?
> >
> > Rocky
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brad Marks
> > Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2012 5:38 PM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: [AccessD] "Can Grow" Property in Report Page Header - Access
> > 2007
> >
> > All,
> >
> > I just discovered that the "Can Grow" property is not available in a
> > report's Page Header section like it is the Report Header section.
> >
> > Is there some way to get around this?  Is this different with Access
> 2010?
> >
> > We have a report that has a field with a widely varying amount of data
> > that our users want at the top of every page.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Brad
> >
> >
> > --
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>
> >
> >
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>
> >
> >
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> >
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Apr  6 11:26:18 2012
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2012 12:26:18 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Automate everything
Message-ID: <4F7F192A.3090109@colbyconsulting.com>


http://www.sqlservercentral.com/articles/Administration/88600/

I started with the "Database from hell" validating addresses manually.  The first pass took 
literally two weeks (~80 hours of my time) to validate 65 million addresses.  Today it takes the 
time required to create a supervisor record and telling it to go.  The computer still takes an hour 
to validate 2 million addresses but it takes me a minute or so.  I now validate ~300 million records 
every month and have just added another 220 million records.

I use C# and SQL Server to automate this work.

-- 
John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it


From Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com  Fri Apr  6 13:35:44 2012
From: Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com (Kaup, Chester)
Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2012 13:35:44 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Access 2007 Toolbar Issue
Message-ID: <0B2BF8524B73A248A2F1B81BA751ED3C1B800DE592@houex1.kindermorgan.com>

I had a database in Access 2003 with a custom toolbar. One of the items on the toolbar used on a report was export. I moved the database to access 2007. Now in the addin toolbar I still have the item export. When I click on it I get the message:

You tried to perform an operation involving a function or feature that was not installed in this version of SACROC surveillance.

SACROC surveillance is the name of my database

I need some help on what to for or where to look to fix this error. I checked all the VBA reference and they are the same.

Thanks.

Chester Kaup
Engineering Technician
Kinder Morgan CO2 Company, LLP
Office (432) 688-3797
FAX (432) 688-3799

?
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From mcp2004 at mail.ru  Fri Apr  6 15:51:59 2012
From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=)
Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2012 00:51:59 +0400
Subject: [AccessD] =?utf-8?q?Automate_everything?=
In-Reply-To: <4F7F192A.3090109@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4F7F192A.3090109@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <E1SGG8V-0005hx-G4.mcp2004-mail-ru@f160.mail.ru>

Hi John --

Good to hear you'll get converted your "Database from Hell" into "Automation Paradise"....

> and telling it to go...
I wonder did you get automated this step too? :)

A kind of kidding here but I have no doubt in two-three years you'll get it automated by using broadly available by that time inexpensive voice recognition software/(web) services: keep your eye on this MS UI Automation technology:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_UI_Automation

to translate (voice) commands into UI interactions...

Thank you.

-- Shamil


Fri, 06 Apr 2012 12:26:18 -0400 ?? jwcolby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>:
> 
> http://www.sqlservercentral.com/articles/Administration/88600/
> 
> I started with the "Database from hell" validating addresses manually.  The first pass took 
> literally two weeks (~80 hours of my time) to validate 65 million addresses.  Today it takes the 
> time required to create a supervisor record and telling it to go.  The computer still takes an hour 
> to validate 2 million addresses but it takes me a minute or so.  I now validate ~300 million records 
> every month and have just added another 220 million records.
> 
> I use C# and SQL Server to automate this work.
> 
> -- 
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
> 
> Reality is what refuses to go away
> when you do not believe in it
> 
> -- 
> AccessD mailing list
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> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 


From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Fri Apr  6 16:02:50 2012
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2012 14:02:50 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Automate everything
In-Reply-To: <E1SGG8V-0005hx-G4.mcp2004-mail-ru@f160.mail.ru>
References: <4F7F192A.3090109@colbyconsulting.com>
	<E1SGG8V-0005hx-G4.mcp2004-mail-ru@f160.mail.ru>
Message-ID: <81C48E1A6EBF4471A6C77A51834762C2@HAL9007>

Is it ready for Access yet?

Rocky
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Salakhetdinov
Shamil
Sent: Friday, April 06, 2012 1:52 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Automate everything

Hi John --

Good to hear you'll get converted your "Database from Hell" into "Automation
Paradise"....

> and telling it to go...
I wonder did you get automated this step too? :)

A kind of kidding here but I have no doubt in two-three years you'll get it
automated by using broadly available by that time inexpensive voice
recognition software/(web) services: keep your eye on this MS UI Automation
technology:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_UI_Automation

to translate (voice) commands into UI interactions...

Thank you.

-- Shamil


Fri, 06 Apr 2012 12:26:18 -0400 ?? jwcolby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>:
> 
> http://www.sqlservercentral.com/articles/Administration/88600/
> 
> I started with the "Database from hell" validating addresses manually.  
> The first pass took literally two weeks (~80 hours of my time) to 
> validate 65 million addresses.  Today it takes the time required to 
> create a supervisor record and telling it to go.  The computer still 
> takes an hour to validate 2 million addresses but it takes me a minute or
so.  I now validate ~300 million records every month and have just added
another 220 million records.
> 
> I use C# and SQL Server to automate this work.
> 
> --
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
> 
> Reality is what refuses to go away
> when you do not believe in it
> 
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 

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From charlotte.foust at gmail.com  Fri Apr  6 20:53:38 2012
From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2012 18:53:38 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Access 2007 Toolbar Issue
In-Reply-To: <0B2BF8524B73A248A2F1B81BA751ED3C1B800DE592@houex1.kindermorgan.com>
References: <0B2BF8524B73A248A2F1B81BA751ED3C1B800DE592@houex1.kindermorgan.com>
Message-ID: <CAH+Met9x7P=qmAQc2ApZxZR0+HyT9O0zQUy9r6CnOo3s6rrp_A@mail.gmail.com>

How did you build the toolbar, code or macros?

Charlotte Foust

On Fri, Apr 6, 2012 at 11:35 AM, Kaup, Chester <
Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com> wrote:

> I had a database in Access 2003 with a custom toolbar. One of the items on
> the toolbar used on a report was export. I moved the database to access
> 2007. Now in the addin toolbar I still have the item export. When I click
> on it I get the message:
>
> You tried to perform an operation involving a function or feature that was
> not installed in this version of SACROC surveillance.
>
> SACROC surveillance is the name of my database
>
> I need some help on what to for or where to look to fix this error. I
> checked all the VBA reference and they are the same.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Chester Kaup
> Engineering Technician
> Kinder Morgan CO2 Company, LLP
> Office (432) 688-3797
> FAX (432) 688-3799
>
>
> No trees were killed in the sending of this message. However a large
> number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced.
>
>
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>
>
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>
>

From charlotte.foust at gmail.com  Fri Apr  6 20:55:10 2012
From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2012 18:55:10 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Automate everything
In-Reply-To: <81C48E1A6EBF4471A6C77A51834762C2@HAL9007>
References: <4F7F192A.3090109@colbyconsulting.com>
	<E1SGG8V-0005hx-G4.mcp2004-mail-ru@f160.mail.ru>
	<81C48E1A6EBF4471A6C77A51834762C2@HAL9007>
Message-ID: <CAH+Met9_8A54FxHvXdx_-CJAeecTbbNNbBdmcD=L7F5CNqrz_A@mail.gmail.com>

Perhaps, but Access won't listen anyhow!  :-(

Charlotte

2012/4/6 Rocky Smolin <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>

> Is it ready for Access yet?
>
> Rocky
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Salakhetdinov
> Shamil
> Sent: Friday, April 06, 2012 1:52 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Automate everything
>
> Hi John --
>
> Good to hear you'll get converted your "Database from Hell" into
> "Automation
> Paradise"....
>
> > and telling it to go...
> I wonder did you get automated this step too? :)
>
> A kind of kidding here but I have no doubt in two-three years you'll get it
> automated by using broadly available by that time inexpensive voice
> recognition software/(web) services: keep your eye on this MS UI Automation
> technology:
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_UI_Automation
>
>
>
> to translate (voice) commands into UI interactions...
>
> Thank you.
>
> -- Shamil
>
>
> Fri, 06 Apr 2012 12:26:18 -0400 ?? jwcolby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>:
> >
> > http://www.sqlservercentral.com/articles/Administration/88600/
>
>
> >
> > I started with the "Database from hell" validating addresses manually.
> > The first pass took literally two weeks (~80 hours of my time) to
> > validate 65 million addresses.  Today it takes the time required to
> > create a supervisor record and telling it to go.  The computer still
> > takes an hour to validate 2 million addresses but it takes me a minute or
> so.  I now validate ~300 million records every month and have just added
> another 220 million records.
> >
> > I use C# and SQL Server to automate this work.
> >
> > --
> > John W. Colby
> > Colby Consulting
> >
> > Reality is what refuses to go away
> > when you do not believe in it
> >
> > --
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>
>
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>
> >
>
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>
>
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>
>
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>
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Apr  6 21:43:48 2012
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2012 22:43:48 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] VM loses connection briefly
In-Reply-To: <4F7A1151.8030409@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4F7A1151.8030409@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <4F7FA9E4.3090609@colbyconsulting.com>

Just an update, I bought an intel NIC which I received today.  After install and futzing with the 
various VM "switches" and stuff, the VM is no longer losing connections.  This after only perhaps a 
half hour of using it.

I was getting a "stutter" approximately every 30-45 seconds where the VM would lose connection to 
the outside world.  That appears to be gone now.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 4/2/2012 4:51 PM, jwcolby wrote:
> I lost my vm server the other day and had to rebuild from scratch. Now one of my VMs is losing
> connection with the network for a few seconds periodically. The time is every 30 seconds or so and
> it loses connection for a few seconds.
>
> *ANNOYING*!!
>
> Of course it is also a very real issue (beyond the annoyance) because this is my DEV machine and
> when the C# program loses connection the environment itself pops up a "source file lost" of some such.
>
> I tried deleting the NIC of the VM and recreating it. That didn't help. It is possible that it is
> the NIC drivers on the Hyper-V host. I had a heck of a time getting the machine rebuilt because this
> is a "consumer" motherboard and it doesn't think Server2008R2 is a valid OS. I had to download all
> the drivers to a thumb drive and install from there, one by one. Who really knows whether I have the
> latest drivers.
>
> I have ordered an INTEL NIC card from NewEgg just to see if that is the issue.
>
> I am wondering if anyone has ever seen this before?
>


From jackandpat.d at gmail.com  Sat Apr  7 08:32:50 2012
From: jackandpat.d at gmail.com (jack drawbridge)
Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2012 09:32:50 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] VM loses connection briefly
In-Reply-To: <4F7FA9E4.3090609@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4F7A1151.8030409@colbyconsulting.com>
	<4F7FA9E4.3090609@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <CAKvidAv7qG=HmJnLMZSFDnQ3-xgMqTArWAkf0NdHXCv_gY3J=g@mail.gmail.com>

Glad you got it sorted out John. Now, take some time to enjoy turkey and
relax while the DBFH enjoys its uninterrupted automation.
Happy Easter!

On Fri, Apr 6, 2012 at 10:43 PM, jwcolby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>wrote:

> Just an update, I bought an intel NIC which I received today.  After
> install and futzing with the various VM "switches" and stuff, the VM is no
> longer losing connections.  This after only perhaps a half hour of using it.
>
> I was getting a "stutter" approximately every 30-45 seconds where the VM
> would lose connection to the outside world.  That appears to be gone now.
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
>
> Reality is what refuses to go away
> when you do not believe in it
>
> On 4/2/2012 4:51 PM, jwcolby wrote:
>
>> I lost my vm server the other day and had to rebuild from scratch. Now
>> one of my VMs is losing
>> connection with the network for a few seconds periodically. The time is
>> every 30 seconds or so and
>> it loses connection for a few seconds.
>>
>> *ANNOYING*!!
>>
>> Of course it is also a very real issue (beyond the annoyance) because
>> this is my DEV machine and
>> when the C# program loses connection the environment itself pops up a
>> "source file lost" of some such.
>>
>> I tried deleting the NIC of the VM and recreating it. That didn't help.
>> It is possible that it is
>> the NIC drivers on the Hyper-V host. I had a heck of a time getting the
>> machine rebuilt because this
>> is a "consumer" motherboard and it doesn't think Server2008R2 is a valid
>> OS. I had to download all
>> the drivers to a thumb drive and install from there, one by one. Who
>> really knows whether I have the
>> latest drivers.
>>
>> I have ordered an INTEL NIC card from NewEgg just to see if that is the
>> issue.
>>
>> I am wondering if anyone has ever seen this before?
>>
>>
> --
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> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/accessd<http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd>
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.**com<http://www.databaseadvisors.com>
>

From BradM at blackforestltd.com  Sat Apr  7 11:30:58 2012
From: BradM at blackforestltd.com (Brad Marks)
Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2012 11:30:58 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Generate Access Report to Two PDF files / or How to Copy
	a File with VBA code in Access
References: <4F6CB3F8.7090701@colbyconsulting.com><E1SEJ8V-00074i-SM.mcp2004-mail-ru@f274.mail.ru><96268DB44DBE42E49017D0A852AF2BE6@HAL9007><E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C501540EF3@blkltd.blkfst2003.local><CAEPJO1jqN1AYLPpJys4k_jfyiJVD_n9DdVHWxPNKEvrM+qx+9Q@mail.gmail.com><E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C59FEAFF@blkltd.blkfst2003.local><DECA1B2557E8452B9A33885DEA780077@HAL9007><E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C59FEB00@blkltd.blkfst2003.local><CAH+Met_Dd+KE4JFSwPzFO-SbNe=ESnaLzGJZkqF4TRp3SkKzVQ@mail.gmail.com><37AC976EC2284D6F90D51884DC517846@HAL9007>
	<CAH+Met_Z0GNvaj0Bnns2ZT+Wq6AYhiUtp6GC3TaWPDNhTPHn-A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C59FEB07@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>

All,

We have an Access application that is run automatically every night.

It generates an Access report to a PDF file.

There is now a need to automatically create two copies of this PDF file in two different folders.

What is the best way to generate the first copy and then copy the first copy to a second copy with a different file name?

(Did anyone catch how I used the word ?Copy? 4 times in one sentence?  :-)

Thanks,

Brad


From vbacreations at gmail.com  Sat Apr  7 11:44:50 2012
From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson)
Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2012 12:44:50 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Generate Access Report to Two PDF files / or How to
 Copy a File with VBA code in Access
In-Reply-To: <E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C59FEB07@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
References: <4F6CB3F8.7090701@colbyconsulting.com>
	<E1SEJ8V-00074i-SM.mcp2004-mail-ru@f274.mail.ru>
	<96268DB44DBE42E49017D0A852AF2BE6@HAL9007>
	<E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C501540EF3@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
	<CAEPJO1jqN1AYLPpJys4k_jfyiJVD_n9DdVHWxPNKEvrM+qx+9Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C59FEAFF@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
	<DECA1B2557E8452B9A33885DEA780077@HAL9007>
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	<CAH+Met_Dd+KE4JFSwPzFO-SbNe=ESnaLzGJZkqF4TRp3SkKzVQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<37AC976EC2284D6F90D51884DC517846@HAL9007>
	<CAH+Met_Z0GNvaj0Bnns2ZT+Wq6AYhiUtp6GC3TaWPDNhTPHn-A@mail.gmail.com>
	<E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C59FEB07@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
Message-ID: <CAGuQ9V6b1QpEcLxknPjupf+jph91K0fEHMYkVRwuOBT-J5pwHQ@mail.gmail.com>

Brad ... maybe typing too fast to get syntax right and using a Droid so I
can barely read my own keystrokes but...

How about
createobject("scripting.filesystemobject").getfile(FULLPATHOFFILE).Copy
replace$(FULLPATHOFFILE,FILENAME1,FILENAME2)
On Apr 7, 2012 12:37 PM, "Brad Marks" <BradM at blackforestltd.com> wrote:

> All,
>
> We have an Access application that is run automatically every night.
>
> It generates an Access report to a PDF file.
>
> There is now a need to automatically create two copies of this PDF file in
> two different folders.
>
> What is the best way to generate the first copy and then copy the first
> copy to a second copy with a different file name?
>
> (Did anyone catch how I used the word ?Copy? 4 times in one sentence?  :-)
>
> Thanks,
>
> Brad
>
>
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>

From vbacreations at gmail.com  Sat Apr  7 11:46:37 2012
From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson)
Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2012 12:46:37 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Generate Access Report to Two PDF files / or How to
 Copy a File with VBA code in Access
In-Reply-To: <CAGuQ9V6b1QpEcLxknPjupf+jph91K0fEHMYkVRwuOBT-J5pwHQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4F6CB3F8.7090701@colbyconsulting.com>
	<E1SEJ8V-00074i-SM.mcp2004-mail-ru@f274.mail.ru>
	<96268DB44DBE42E49017D0A852AF2BE6@HAL9007>
	<E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C501540EF3@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
	<CAEPJO1jqN1AYLPpJys4k_jfyiJVD_n9DdVHWxPNKEvrM+qx+9Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C59FEAFF@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
	<DECA1B2557E8452B9A33885DEA780077@HAL9007>
	<E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C59FEB00@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
	<CAH+Met_Dd+KE4JFSwPzFO-SbNe=ESnaLzGJZkqF4TRp3SkKzVQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<37AC976EC2284D6F90D51884DC517846@HAL9007>
	<CAH+Met_Z0GNvaj0Bnns2ZT+Wq6AYhiUtp6GC3TaWPDNhTPHn-A@mail.gmail.com>
	<E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C59FEB07@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
	<CAGuQ9V6b1QpEcLxknPjupf+jph91K0fEHMYkVRwuOBT-J5pwHQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAGuQ9V7Js_bu6HnjdrgKd2=79m5NbanJ0Vb0O68__=+dHkibiA@mail.gmail.com>

BTW I realize that will be same folder so modify to suit and maybe skip the
replace function and just use fully defined paths.
On Apr 7, 2012 12:44 PM, "William Benson" <vbacreations at gmail.com> wrote:

> Brad ... maybe typing too fast to get syntax right and using a Droid so I
> can barely read my own keystrokes but...
>
> How about
> createobject("scripting.filesystemobject").getfile(FULLPATHOFFILE).Copy
> replace$(FULLPATHOFFILE,FILENAME1,FILENAME2)
> On Apr 7, 2012 12:37 PM, "Brad Marks" <BradM at blackforestltd.com> wrote:
>
>> All,
>>
>> We have an Access application that is run automatically every night.
>>
>> It generates an Access report to a PDF file.
>>
>> There is now a need to automatically create two copies of this PDF file
>> in two different folders.
>>
>> What is the best way to generate the first copy and then copy the first
>> copy to a second copy with a different file name?
>>
>> (Did anyone catch how I used the word ?Copy? 4 times in one sentence?  :-)
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Brad
>>
>>
>> --
>> AccessD mailing list
>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>
>>

From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sat Apr  7 12:39:05 2012
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2012 13:39:05 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] VM loses connection briefly
In-Reply-To: <CAKvidAv7qG=HmJnLMZSFDnQ3-xgMqTArWAkf0NdHXCv_gY3J=g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4F7A1151.8030409@colbyconsulting.com>
	<4F7FA9E4.3090609@colbyconsulting.com>
	<CAKvidAv7qG=HmJnLMZSFDnQ3-xgMqTArWAkf0NdHXCv_gY3J=g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4F807BB9.5040403@colbyconsulting.com>

 > relax while the DBFH enjoys its uninterrupted automation.

It is immensely satisfying to know my server is working for days on end doing work that I used to do 
manually, and knowing that I am being paid for it!

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 4/7/2012 9:32 AM, jack drawbridge wrote:
> Glad you got it sorted out John. Now, take some time to enjoy turkey and
> relax while the DBFH enjoys its uninterrupted automation.
> Happy Easter!
>
> On Fri, Apr 6, 2012 at 10:43 PM, jwcolby<jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>wrote:
>
>> Just an update, I bought an intel NIC which I received today.  After
>> install and futzing with the various VM "switches" and stuff, the VM is no
>> longer losing connections.  This after only perhaps a half hour of using it.
>>
>> I was getting a "stutter" approximately every 30-45 seconds where the VM
>> would lose connection to the outside world.  That appears to be gone now.
>>
>> John W. Colby
>> Colby Consulting
>>
>> Reality is what refuses to go away
>> when you do not believe in it
>>
>> On 4/2/2012 4:51 PM, jwcolby wrote:
>>
>>> I lost my vm server the other day and had to rebuild from scratch. Now
>>> one of my VMs is losing
>>> connection with the network for a few seconds periodically. The time is
>>> every 30 seconds or so and
>>> it loses connection for a few seconds.
>>>
>>> *ANNOYING*!!
>>>
>>> Of course it is also a very real issue (beyond the annoyance) because
>>> this is my DEV machine and
>>> when the C# program loses connection the environment itself pops up a
>>> "source file lost" of some such.
>>>
>>> I tried deleting the NIC of the VM and recreating it. That didn't help.
>>> It is possible that it is
>>> the NIC drivers on the Hyper-V host. I had a heck of a time getting the
>>> machine rebuilt because this
>>> is a "consumer" motherboard and it doesn't think Server2008R2 is a valid
>>> OS. I had to download all
>>> the drivers to a thumb drive and install from there, one by one. Who
>>> really knows whether I have the
>>> latest drivers.
>>>
>>> I have ordered an INTEL NIC card from NewEgg just to see if that is the
>>> issue.
>>>
>>> I am wondering if anyone has ever seen this before?
>>>
>>>
>> --
>> AccessD mailing list
>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>> http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/accessd<http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd>
>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.**com<http://www.databaseadvisors.com>
>>


From BradM at blackforestltd.com  Sat Apr  7 13:16:46 2012
From: BradM at blackforestltd.com (Brad Marks)
Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2012 13:16:46 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Generate Access Report to Two PDF files / or How to
	Copy a File with VBA code in Access
References: <4F6CB3F8.7090701@colbyconsulting.com><E1SEJ8V-00074i-SM.mcp2004-mail-ru@f274.mail.ru><96268DB44DBE42E49017D0A852AF2BE6@HAL9007><E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C501540EF3@blkltd.blkfst2003.local><CAEPJO1jqN1AYLPpJys4k_jfyiJVD_n9DdVHWxPNKEvrM+qx+9Q@mail.gmail.com><E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C59FEAFF@blkltd.blkfst2003.local><DECA1B2557E8452B9A33885DEA780077@HAL9007><E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C59FEB00@blkltd.blkfst2003.local><CAH+Met_Dd+KE4JFSwPzFO-SbNe=ESnaLzGJZkqF4TRp3SkKzVQ@mail.gmail.com><37AC976EC2284D6F90D51884DC517846@HAL9007><CAH+Met_Z0GNvaj0Bnns2ZT+Wq6AYhiUtp6GC3TaWPDNhTPHn-A@mail.gmail.com><E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C59FEB07@blkltd.blkfst2003.local><CAGuQ9V6b1QpEcLxknPjupf+jph91K0fEHMYkVRwuOBT-J5pwHQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAGuQ9V7Js_bu6HnjdrgKd2=79m5NbanJ0Vb0O68__=+dHkibiA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C59FEB08@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>

William,

Thanks for the help/example.

It works great.

Brad 


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com on behalf of William Benson
Sent: Sat 4/7/2012 11:46 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Generate Access Report to Two PDF files / or How to Copy a File with VBA code in Access
 
BTW I realize that will be same folder so modify to suit and maybe skip the
replace function and just use fully defined paths.
On Apr 7, 2012 12:44 PM, "William Benson" <vbacreations at gmail.com> wrote:

> Brad ... maybe typing too fast to get syntax right and using a Droid so I
> can barely read my own keystrokes but...
>
> How about
> createobject("scripting.filesystemobject").getfile(FULLPATHOFFILE).Copy
> replace$(FULLPATHOFFILE,FILENAME1,FILENAME2)
> On Apr 7, 2012 12:37 PM, "Brad Marks" <BradM at blackforestltd.com> wrote:
>
>> All,
>>
>> We have an Access application that is run automatically every night.
>>
>> It generates an Access report to a PDF file.
>>
>> There is now a need to automatically create two copies of this PDF file
>> in two different folders.
>>
>> What is the best way to generate the first copy and then copy the first
>> copy to a second copy with a different file name?
>>
>> (Did anyone catch how I used the word "Copy" 4 times in one sentence?  :-)
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Brad
>>
>>
>> --
>> AccessD mailing list
>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>
>>
-- 
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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Sat Apr  7 15:45:24 2012
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2012 16:45:24 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] VM loses connection briefly
In-Reply-To: <4F807BB9.5040403@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4F7A1151.8030409@colbyconsulting.com>
	<4F7FA9E4.3090609@colbyconsulting.com>
	<CAKvidAv7qG=HmJnLMZSFDnQ3-xgMqTArWAkf0NdHXCv_gY3J=g@mail.gmail.com>
	<4F807BB9.5040403@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1h9OjT-nCDV3nj5ZXBEN=nY2O+MX+LFh54USjgTng83Vg@mail.gmail.com>

Caution, JC!

The ends of this path are two:

1. Once everything is automated, they won't need us any more.
2. I forget the other one.

The up-side is, until our software figures out how to revise itself and
issue Version 2, we may have a decade before the software we wrote eats us
and our children, and spits us out like so much chaw-tabacca juice from a
baseball player. And we'll be lying in the dust, no longer in the game.

Quite the metaphor. Sometimes I even impress myself LOL.

A.

From accessd at shaw.ca  Sat Apr  7 18:10:48 2012
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2012 16:10:48 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] VM loses connection briefly
In-Reply-To: <4F807BB9.5040403@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4F7A1151.8030409@colbyconsulting.com><4F7FA9E4.3090609@colbyconsulting.com><CAKvidAv7qG=HmJnLMZSFDnQ3-xgMqTArWAkf0NdHXCv_gY3J=g@mail.gmail.com>
	<4F807BB9.5040403@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <06DA01F9110647DA88A4FFEEB8198962@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Computers are just the road to laziness. ;-)

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2012 10:39 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] VM loses connection briefly

 > relax while the DBFH enjoys its uninterrupted automation.

It is immensely satisfying to know my server is working for days on end
doing work that I used to do 
manually, and knowing that I am being paid for it!

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 4/7/2012 9:32 AM, jack drawbridge wrote:
> Glad you got it sorted out John. Now, take some time to enjoy turkey and
> relax while the DBFH enjoys its uninterrupted automation.
> Happy Easter!
>
> On Fri, Apr 6, 2012 at 10:43 PM,
jwcolby<jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>wrote:
>
>> Just an update, I bought an intel NIC which I received today.  After
>> install and futzing with the various VM "switches" and stuff, the VM is
no
>> longer losing connections.  This after only perhaps a half hour of using
it.
>>
>> I was getting a "stutter" approximately every 30-45 seconds where the VM
>> would lose connection to the outside world.  That appears to be gone now.
>>
>> John W. Colby
>> Colby Consulting
>>
>> Reality is what refuses to go away
>> when you do not believe in it
>>
>> On 4/2/2012 4:51 PM, jwcolby wrote:
>>
>>> I lost my vm server the other day and had to rebuild from scratch. Now
>>> one of my VMs is losing
>>> connection with the network for a few seconds periodically. The time is
>>> every 30 seconds or so and
>>> it loses connection for a few seconds.
>>>
>>> *ANNOYING*!!
>>>
>>> Of course it is also a very real issue (beyond the annoyance) because
>>> this is my DEV machine and
>>> when the C# program loses connection the environment itself pops up a
>>> "source file lost" of some such.
>>>
>>> I tried deleting the NIC of the VM and recreating it. That didn't help.
>>> It is possible that it is
>>> the NIC drivers on the Hyper-V host. I had a heck of a time getting the
>>> machine rebuilt because this
>>> is a "consumer" motherboard and it doesn't think Server2008R2 is a valid
>>> OS. I had to download all
>>> the drivers to a thumb drive and install from there, one by one. Who
>>> really knows whether I have the
>>> latest drivers.
>>>
>>> I have ordered an INTEL NIC card from NewEgg just to see if that is the
>>> issue.
>>>
>>> I am wondering if anyone has ever seen this before?
>>>
>>>
>> --
>> AccessD mailing list
>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>>
http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/accessd<http://databaseadviso
rs.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd>
>> Website:
http://www.databaseadvisors.**com<http://www.databaseadvisors.com>
>>

-- 
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From BradM at blackforestltd.com  Sun Apr  8 09:39:57 2012
From: BradM at blackforestltd.com (Brad Marks)
Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2012 09:39:57 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] How to Prevent a button from being printed on a report.
References: <4F6CB3F8.7090701@colbyconsulting.com><E1SEJ8V-00074i-SM.mcp2004-mail-ru@f274.mail.ru><96268DB44DBE42E49017D0A852AF2BE6@HAL9007><E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C501540EF3@blkltd.blkfst2003.local><CAEPJO1jqN1AYLPpJys4k_jfyiJVD_n9DdVHWxPNKEvrM+qx+9Q@mail.gmail.com><E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C59FEAFF@blkltd.blkfst2003.local><DECA1B2557E8452B9A33885DEA780077@HAL9007><E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C59FEB00@blkltd.blkfst2003.local><CAH+Met_Dd+KE4JFSwPzFO-SbNe=ESnaLzGJZkqF4TRp3SkKzVQ@mail.gmail.com><37AC976EC2284D6F90D51884DC517846@HAL9007><CAH+Met_Z0GNvaj0Bnns2ZT+Wq6AYhiUtp6GC3TaWPDNhTPHn-A@mail.gmail.com><E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C59FEB07@blkltd.blkfst2003.local><CAGuQ9V6b1QpEcLxknPjupf+jph91K0fEHMYkVRwuOBT-J5pwHQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAGuQ9V7Js_bu6HnjdrgKd2=79m5NbanJ0Vb0O68__=+dHkibiA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C59FEB09@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>

All,

We have an Access Report that has three buttons near the top of the report.

The purpose of these buttons is to change the color of the report header section to green, blue, or yellow.

The different colors are used to differentiate between the "Accounting Copy", the "File Copy" and the "Production Copy".    

This approach is being implemented to replace an older method of using different colored paper.  

The users love this new approach because they can simply print the report on plain white paper and no longer need to load different colored paper into their printers. 

We are seeing one small glitch that I would like to better understand and to resolve.

The "Display When" property is set to "Screen Only" for the three buttons.

However, if a user clicks on one of the buttons and then prints the report (Via the round Office Button in the upper left corner of the screen) the color button that was pushed is printed on the report.

We have found that if the user clicks on another place on the report (outside of the color button), then the button is not printed on the report.

I believe that this is related to the button "having focus", but I can't understand why it would still have focus after the Office button is pushed and "Print" is selected.

One more little tidbit.  Development is currently being done with Access 2007, and deployment is on Access 2010.  I am not sure if this makes a difference or not.

Thanks,
Brad  

From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Sun Apr  8 10:00:24 2012
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2012 08:00:24 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] How to Prevent a button from being printed on a
	report.
In-Reply-To: <E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C59FEB09@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
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In the open event of the report can you just see which button is pushed
(maybe make it an option frame - then you'd have a value of 1, 2, or 3).
Then change the color of the heading or border or some other control on the
report to the appropriate color?

Rocky
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brad Marks
Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2012 7:40 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] How to Prevent a button from being printed on a report.

All,

We have an Access Report that has three buttons near the top of the report.

The purpose of these buttons is to change the color of the report header
section to green, blue, or yellow.

The different colors are used to differentiate between the "Accounting
Copy", the "File Copy" and the "Production Copy".    

This approach is being implemented to replace an older method of using
different colored paper.  

The users love this new approach because they can simply print the report on
plain white paper and no longer need to load different colored paper into
their printers. 

We are seeing one small glitch that I would like to better understand and to
resolve.

The "Display When" property is set to "Screen Only" for the three buttons.

However, if a user clicks on one of the buttons and then prints the report
(Via the round Office Button in the upper left corner of the screen) the
color button that was pushed is printed on the report.

We have found that if the user clicks on another place on the report
(outside of the color button), then the button is not printed on the report.

I believe that this is related to the button "having focus", but I can't
understand why it would still have focus after the Office button is pushed
and "Print" is selected.

One more little tidbit.  Development is currently being done with Access
2007, and deployment is on Access 2010.  I am not sure if this makes a
difference or not.

Thanks,
Brad  


From BradM at blackforestltd.com  Sun Apr  8 10:08:15 2012
From: BradM at blackforestltd.com (Brad Marks)
Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2012 10:08:15 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] How to Prevent a button from being printed on areport.
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Rocky,

Thanks for the help.

I didn't fully explain things.

The report is being opened in "Report View" (Access 2007/2010).

The buttons that control the color of the headings are pushed after the report is already opened (the buttons are actually on the report itself).

They enable the users to change colors "on the fly", once they see the report on the screen.  They need to look at the report before they decide to print it or not.

Brad  


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com on behalf of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Sun 4/8/2012 10:00 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] How to Prevent a button from being printed on areport.
 
In the open event of the report can you just see which button is pushed
(maybe make it an option frame - then you'd have a value of 1, 2, or 3).
Then change the color of the heading or border or some other control on the
report to the appropriate color?

Rocky
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brad Marks
Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2012 7:40 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] How to Prevent a button from being printed on a report.

All,

We have an Access Report that has three buttons near the top of the report.

The purpose of these buttons is to change the color of the report header
section to green, blue, or yellow.

The different colors are used to differentiate between the "Accounting
Copy", the "File Copy" and the "Production Copy".    

This approach is being implemented to replace an older method of using
different colored paper.  

The users love this new approach because they can simply print the report on
plain white paper and no longer need to load different colored paper into
their printers. 

We are seeing one small glitch that I would like to better understand and to
resolve.

The "Display When" property is set to "Screen Only" for the three buttons.

However, if a user clicks on one of the buttons and then prints the report
(Via the round Office Button in the upper left corner of the screen) the
color button that was pushed is printed on the report.

We have found that if the user clicks on another place on the report
(outside of the color button), then the button is not printed on the report.

I believe that this is related to the button "having focus", but I can't
understand why it would still have focus after the Office button is pushed
and "Print" is selected.

One more little tidbit.  Development is currently being done with Access
2007, and deployment is on Access 2010.  I am not sure if this makes a
difference or not.

Thanks,
Brad  

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From charlotte.foust at gmail.com  Sun Apr  8 10:28:51 2012
From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2012 08:28:51 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] How to Prevent a button from being printed on areport.
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Brad, why not just create a custom toolbar or ribbon available to the user
only in report view instead?  It would allow you to do the same thing
without having to fight the buttons.  Alternatively, use code to move the
focus off the button in its on click event so that it no longer has the
focus and see if that corrects the problem.

Charlotte Foust

On Sun, Apr 8, 2012 at 8:08 AM, Brad Marks <BradM at blackforestltd.com> wrote:

> Rocky,
>
> Thanks for the help.
>
> I didn't fully explain things.
>
> The report is being opened in "Report View" (Access 2007/2010).
>
> The buttons that control the color of the headings are pushed after the
> report is already opened (the buttons are actually on the report itself).
>
> They enable the users to change colors "on the fly", once they see the
> report on the screen.  They need to look at the report before they decide
> to print it or not.
>
> Brad
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com on behalf of Rocky Smolin
> Sent: Sun 4/8/2012 10:00 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] How to Prevent a button from being printed on
> areport.
>
> In the open event of the report can you just see which button is pushed
> (maybe make it an option frame - then you'd have a value of 1, 2, or 3).
> Then change the color of the heading or border or some other control on the
> report to the appropriate color?
>
> Rocky
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brad Marks
> Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2012 7:40 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] How to Prevent a button from being printed on a report.
>
> All,
>
> We have an Access Report that has three buttons near the top of the report.
>
> The purpose of these buttons is to change the color of the report header
> section to green, blue, or yellow.
>
> The different colors are used to differentiate between the "Accounting
> Copy", the "File Copy" and the "Production Copy".
>
> This approach is being implemented to replace an older method of using
> different colored paper.
>
> The users love this new approach because they can simply print the report
> on
> plain white paper and no longer need to load different colored paper into
> their printers.
>
> We are seeing one small glitch that I would like to better understand and
> to
> resolve.
>
> The "Display When" property is set to "Screen Only" for the three buttons.
>
> However, if a user clicks on one of the buttons and then prints the report
> (Via the round Office Button in the upper left corner of the screen) the
> color button that was pushed is printed on the report.
>
> We have found that if the user clicks on another place on the report
> (outside of the color button), then the button is not printed on the
> report.
>
> I believe that this is related to the button "having focus", but I can't
> understand why it would still have focus after the Office button is pushed
> and "Print" is selected.
>
> One more little tidbit.  Development is currently being done with Access
> 2007, and deployment is on Access 2010.  I am not sure if this makes a
> difference or not.
>
> Thanks,
> Brad
>
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>
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From mcp2004 at mail.ru  Sun Apr  8 10:35:03 2012
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Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2012 19:35:03 +0400
Subject: [AccessD]
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Hi Brad --

Did you try to create an auxiliary transparent command button and to set focus to it after any of the other three of your command buttons get clicked?

Thank you.

-- Shamil


Sun, 8 Apr 2012 10:08:15 -0500 ?? "Brad Marks" <BradM at blackforestltd.com>:
> Rocky,
> 
> Thanks for the help.
> 
> I didn't fully explain things.
> 
> The report is being opened in "Report View" (Access 2007/2010).
> 
> The buttons that control the color of the headings are pushed after the report is already opened (the buttons are actually on the report itself).
> 
> They enable the users to change colors "on the fly", once they see the report on the screen.  They need to look at the report before they decide to print it or not.
> 
> Brad  
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com on behalf of Rocky Smolin
> Sent: Sun 4/8/2012 10:00 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] How to Prevent a button from being printed on areport.
>  
> In the open event of the report can you just see which button is pushed
> (maybe make it an option frame - then you'd have a value of 1, 2, or 3).
> Then change the color of the heading or border or some other control on the
> report to the appropriate color?
> 
> Rocky
>  
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brad Marks
> Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2012 7:40 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] How to Prevent a button from being printed on a report.
> 
> All,
> 
> We have an Access Report that has three buttons near the top of the report.
> 
> The purpose of these buttons is to change the color of the report header
> section to green, blue, or yellow.
> 
> The different colors are used to differentiate between the "Accounting
> Copy", the "File Copy" and the "Production Copy".    
> 
> This approach is being implemented to replace an older method of using
> different colored paper.  
> 
> The users love this new approach because they can simply print the report on
> plain white paper and no longer need to load different colored paper into
> their printers. 
> 
> We are seeing one small glitch that I would like to better understand and to
> resolve.
> 
> The "Display When" property is set to "Screen Only" for the three buttons.
> 
> However, if a user clicks on one of the buttons and then prints the report
> (Via the round Office Button in the upper left corner of the screen) the
> color button that was pushed is printed on the report.
> 
> We have found that if the user clicks on another place on the report
> (outside of the color button), then the button is not printed on the report.
> 
> I believe that this is related to the button "having focus", but I can't
> understand why it would still have focus after the Office button is pushed
> and "Print" is selected.
> 
> One more little tidbit.  Development is currently being done with Access
> 2007, and deployment is on Access 2010.  I am not sure if this makes a
> difference or not.
> 
> Thanks,
> Brad  
> 
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From BradM at blackforestltd.com  Sun Apr  8 10:41:09 2012
From: BradM at blackforestltd.com (Brad Marks)
Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2012 10:41:09 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] How to Prevent a button from being printed on areport.
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Charlotte,

Thanks for your ideas.  I have not yet found time to experiment with custom toolbars or ribbons.  I hope to do so down the road.

I am trying to make things as easy as possible for the users.

I do not know how to move the focus off of a button.  That sounds like a good idea.  Could you explain how to do this.

Thanks,
Brad



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com on behalf of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Sun 4/8/2012 10:28 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] How to Prevent a button from being printed on areport.
 
Brad, why not just create a custom toolbar or ribbon available to the user
only in report view instead?  It would allow you to do the same thing
without having to fight the buttons.  Alternatively, use code to move the
focus off the button in its on click event so that it no longer has the
focus and see if that corrects the problem.

Charlotte Foust

On Sun, Apr 8, 2012 at 8:08 AM, Brad Marks <BradM at blackforestltd.com> wrote:

> Rocky,
>
> Thanks for the help.
>
> I didn't fully explain things.
>
> The report is being opened in "Report View" (Access 2007/2010).
>
> The buttons that control the color of the headings are pushed after the
> report is already opened (the buttons are actually on the report itself).
>
> They enable the users to change colors "on the fly", once they see the
> report on the screen.  They need to look at the report before they decide
> to print it or not.
>
> Brad
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com on behalf of Rocky Smolin
> Sent: Sun 4/8/2012 10:00 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] How to Prevent a button from being printed on
> areport.
>
> In the open event of the report can you just see which button is pushed
> (maybe make it an option frame - then you'd have a value of 1, 2, or 3).
> Then change the color of the heading or border or some other control on the
> report to the appropriate color?
>
> Rocky
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brad Marks
> Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2012 7:40 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] How to Prevent a button from being printed on a report.
>
> All,
>
> We have an Access Report that has three buttons near the top of the report.
>
> The purpose of these buttons is to change the color of the report header
> section to green, blue, or yellow.
>
> The different colors are used to differentiate between the "Accounting
> Copy", the "File Copy" and the "Production Copy".
>
> This approach is being implemented to replace an older method of using
> different colored paper.
>
> The users love this new approach because they can simply print the report
> on
> plain white paper and no longer need to load different colored paper into
> their printers.
>
> We are seeing one small glitch that I would like to better understand and
> to
> resolve.
>
> The "Display When" property is set to "Screen Only" for the three buttons.
>
> However, if a user clicks on one of the buttons and then prints the report
> (Via the round Office Button in the upper left corner of the screen) the
> color button that was pushed is printed on the report.
>
> We have found that if the user clicks on another place on the report
> (outside of the color button), then the button is not printed on the
> report.
>
> I believe that this is related to the button "having focus", but I can't
> understand why it would still have focus after the Office button is pushed
> and "Print" is selected.
>
> One more little tidbit.  Development is currently being done with Access
> 2007, and deployment is on Access 2010.  I am not sure if this makes a
> difference or not.
>
> Thanks,
> Brad
>
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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Sun Apr  8 11:39:21 2012
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2012 12:39:21 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] How to Prevent a button from being printed on areport.
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I would move the buttons off the report itself an onto a pop-up dialog with
either option buttons or checkboxes (the latter allowing more than one
choice to be selected). Then you could pass in the selected value and use
it in the Report_Open event to set the desired color.

On Sun, Apr 8, 2012 at 11:41 AM, Brad Marks <BradM at blackforestltd.com>wrote:

> Charlotte,
>
> Thanks for your ideas.  I have not yet found time to experiment with
> custom toolbars or ribbons.  I hope to do so down the road.
>
> I am trying to make things as easy as possible for the users.
>
> I do not know how to move the focus off of a button.  That sounds like a
> good idea.  Could you explain how to do this.
>
> Thanks,
> Brad
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com on behalf of Charlotte Foust
> Sent: Sun 4/8/2012 10:28 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] How to Prevent a button from being printed on
> areport.
>
> Brad, why not just create a custom toolbar or ribbon available to the user
> only in report view instead?  It would allow you to do the same thing
> without having to fight the buttons.  Alternatively, use code to move the
> focus off the button in its on click event so that it no longer has the
> focus and see if that corrects the problem.
>
> Charlotte Foust
>
> On Sun, Apr 8, 2012 at 8:08 AM, Brad Marks <BradM at blackforestltd.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Rocky,
> >
> > Thanks for the help.
> >
> > I didn't fully explain things.
> >
> > The report is being opened in "Report View" (Access 2007/2010).
> >
> > The buttons that control the color of the headings are pushed after the
> > report is already opened (the buttons are actually on the report itself).
> >
> > They enable the users to change colors "on the fly", once they see the
> > report on the screen.  They need to look at the report before they decide
> > to print it or not.
> >
> > Brad
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com on behalf of Rocky Smolin
> > Sent: Sun 4/8/2012 10:00 AM
> > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] How to Prevent a button from being printed on
> > areport.
> >
> > In the open event of the report can you just see which button is pushed
> > (maybe make it an option frame - then you'd have a value of 1, 2, or 3).
> > Then change the color of the heading or border or some other control on
> the
> > report to the appropriate color?
> >
> > Rocky
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brad Marks
> > Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2012 7:40 AM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: [AccessD] How to Prevent a button from being printed on a
> report.
> >
> > All,
> >
> > We have an Access Report that has three buttons near the top of the
> report.
> >
> > The purpose of these buttons is to change the color of the report header
> > section to green, blue, or yellow.
> >
> > The different colors are used to differentiate between the "Accounting
> > Copy", the "File Copy" and the "Production Copy".
> >
> > This approach is being implemented to replace an older method of using
> > different colored paper.
> >
> > The users love this new approach because they can simply print the report
> > on
> > plain white paper and no longer need to load different colored paper into
> > their printers.
> >
> > We are seeing one small glitch that I would like to better understand and
> > to
> > resolve.
> >
> > The "Display When" property is set to "Screen Only" for the three
> buttons.
> >
> > However, if a user clicks on one of the buttons and then prints the
> report
> > (Via the round Office Button in the upper left corner of the screen) the
> > color button that was pushed is printed on the report.
> >
> > We have found that if the user clicks on another place on the report
> > (outside of the color button), then the button is not printed on the
> > report.
> >
> > I believe that this is related to the button "having focus", but I can't
> > understand why it would still have focus after the Office button is
> pushed
> > and "Print" is selected.
> >
> > One more little tidbit.  Development is currently being done with Access
> > 2007, and deployment is on Access 2010.  I am not sure if this makes a
> > difference or not.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Brad
> >
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> >
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From charlotte.foust at gmail.com  Sun Apr  8 13:48:33 2012
From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2012 11:48:33 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] How to Prevent a button from being printed on areport.
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You move the focus by setting focus to something else. IIRC, the sytax is
<controlname>,setfocus.  Shamil suggested a transparent command button.
Just needs to be another control that can accept focus on the report at the
time the event is happening.

Charlotte Foust

On Sun, Apr 8, 2012 at 8:41 AM, Brad Marks <BradM at blackforestltd.com> wrote:

> Charlotte,
>
> Thanks for your ideas.  I have not yet found time to experiment with
> custom toolbars or ribbons.  I hope to do so down the road.
>
> I am trying to make things as easy as possible for the users.
>
> I do not know how to move the focus off of a button.  That sounds like a
> good idea.  Could you explain how to do this.
>
> Thanks,
> Brad
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com on behalf of Charlotte Foust
> Sent: Sun 4/8/2012 10:28 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] How to Prevent a button from being printed on
> areport.
>
> Brad, why not just create a custom toolbar or ribbon available to the user
> only in report view instead?  It would allow you to do the same thing
> without having to fight the buttons.  Alternatively, use code to move the
> focus off the button in its on click event so that it no longer has the
> focus and see if that corrects the problem.
>
> Charlotte Foust
>
> On Sun, Apr 8, 2012 at 8:08 AM, Brad Marks <BradM at blackforestltd.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Rocky,
> >
> > Thanks for the help.
> >
> > I didn't fully explain things.
> >
> > The report is being opened in "Report View" (Access 2007/2010).
> >
> > The buttons that control the color of the headings are pushed after the
> > report is already opened (the buttons are actually on the report itself).
> >
> > They enable the users to change colors "on the fly", once they see the
> > report on the screen.  They need to look at the report before they decide
> > to print it or not.
> >
> > Brad
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com on behalf of Rocky Smolin
> > Sent: Sun 4/8/2012 10:00 AM
> > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] How to Prevent a button from being printed on
> > areport.
> >
> > In the open event of the report can you just see which button is pushed
> > (maybe make it an option frame - then you'd have a value of 1, 2, or 3).
> > Then change the color of the heading or border or some other control on
> the
> > report to the appropriate color?
> >
> > Rocky
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brad Marks
> > Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2012 7:40 AM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: [AccessD] How to Prevent a button from being printed on a
> report.
> >
> > All,
> >
> > We have an Access Report that has three buttons near the top of the
> report.
> >
> > The purpose of these buttons is to change the color of the report header
> > section to green, blue, or yellow.
> >
> > The different colors are used to differentiate between the "Accounting
> > Copy", the "File Copy" and the "Production Copy".
> >
> > This approach is being implemented to replace an older method of using
> > different colored paper.
> >
> > The users love this new approach because they can simply print the report
> > on
> > plain white paper and no longer need to load different colored paper into
> > their printers.
> >
> > We are seeing one small glitch that I would like to better understand and
> > to
> > resolve.
> >
> > The "Display When" property is set to "Screen Only" for the three
> buttons.
> >
> > However, if a user clicks on one of the buttons and then prints the
> report
> > (Via the round Office Button in the upper left corner of the screen) the
> > color button that was pushed is printed on the report.
> >
> > We have found that if the user clicks on another place on the report
> > (outside of the color button), then the button is not printed on the
> > report.
> >
> > I believe that this is related to the button "having focus", but I can't
> > understand why it would still have focus after the Office button is
> pushed
> > and "Print" is selected.
> >
> > One more little tidbit.  Development is currently being done with Access
> > 2007, and deployment is on Access 2010.  I am not sure if this makes a
> > difference or not.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Brad
> >
> > --
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>
>
> >
> >
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>
> >
> >
> >
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> >
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From BradM at blackforestltd.com  Sun Apr  8 14:04:22 2012
From: BradM at blackforestltd.com (Brad Marks)
Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2012 14:04:22 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] How to Prevent a button from being printed on areport.
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Thanks to everyone for your help/ideas.

I can't wait to get to work to try this in the morning.

I am sure that this will work, but I am still a little puzzled why a control set to "Screen Only" would show up on the printed report, just because it had focus.  Is this a bug or a feature  :-)

Thanks again for the advice, I appreciate it.

Brad  


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com on behalf of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Sun 4/8/2012 1:48 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] How to Prevent a button from being printed on areport.
 
You move the focus by setting focus to something else. IIRC, the sytax is
<controlname>,setfocus.  Shamil suggested a transparent command button.
Just needs to be another control that can accept focus on the report at the
time the event is happening.

Charlotte Foust

On Sun, Apr 8, 2012 at 8:41 AM, Brad Marks <BradM at blackforestltd.com> wrote:

> Charlotte,
>
> Thanks for your ideas.  I have not yet found time to experiment with
> custom toolbars or ribbons.  I hope to do so down the road.
>
> I am trying to make things as easy as possible for the users.
>
> I do not know how to move the focus off of a button.  That sounds like a
> good idea.  Could you explain how to do this.
>
> Thanks,
> Brad
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com on behalf of Charlotte Foust
> Sent: Sun 4/8/2012 10:28 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] How to Prevent a button from being printed on
> areport.
>
> Brad, why not just create a custom toolbar or ribbon available to the user
> only in report view instead?  It would allow you to do the same thing
> without having to fight the buttons.  Alternatively, use code to move the
> focus off the button in its on click event so that it no longer has the
> focus and see if that corrects the problem.
>
> Charlotte Foust
>
> On Sun, Apr 8, 2012 at 8:08 AM, Brad Marks <BradM at blackforestltd.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Rocky,
> >
> > Thanks for the help.
> >
> > I didn't fully explain things.
> >
> > The report is being opened in "Report View" (Access 2007/2010).
> >
> > The buttons that control the color of the headings are pushed after the
> > report is already opened (the buttons are actually on the report itself).
> >
> > They enable the users to change colors "on the fly", once they see the
> > report on the screen.  They need to look at the report before they decide
> > to print it or not.
> >
> > Brad
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com on behalf of Rocky Smolin
> > Sent: Sun 4/8/2012 10:00 AM
> > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] How to Prevent a button from being printed on
> > areport.
> >
> > In the open event of the report can you just see which button is pushed
> > (maybe make it an option frame - then you'd have a value of 1, 2, or 3).
> > Then change the color of the heading or border or some other control on
> the
> > report to the appropriate color?
> >
> > Rocky
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brad Marks
> > Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2012 7:40 AM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: [AccessD] How to Prevent a button from being printed on a
> report.
> >
> > All,
> >
> > We have an Access Report that has three buttons near the top of the
> report.
> >
> > The purpose of these buttons is to change the color of the report header
> > section to green, blue, or yellow.
> >
> > The different colors are used to differentiate between the "Accounting
> > Copy", the "File Copy" and the "Production Copy".
> >
> > This approach is being implemented to replace an older method of using
> > different colored paper.
> >
> > The users love this new approach because they can simply print the report
> > on
> > plain white paper and no longer need to load different colored paper into
> > their printers.
> >
> > We are seeing one small glitch that I would like to better understand and
> > to
> > resolve.
> >
> > The "Display When" property is set to "Screen Only" for the three
> buttons.
> >
> > However, if a user clicks on one of the buttons and then prints the
> report
> > (Via the round Office Button in the upper left corner of the screen) the
> > color button that was pushed is printed on the report.
> >
> > We have found that if the user clicks on another place on the report
> > (outside of the color button), then the button is not printed on the
> > report.
> >
> > I believe that this is related to the button "having focus", but I can't
> > understand why it would still have focus after the Office button is
> pushed
> > and "Print" is selected.
> >
> > One more little tidbit.  Development is currently being done with Access
> > 2007, and deployment is on Access 2010.  I am not sure if this makes a
> > difference or not.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Brad
> >
> > --
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>
>
> >
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From darren at activebilling.com.au  Sun Apr  8 18:26:44 2012
From: darren at activebilling.com.au (Darren)
Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2012 09:26:44 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] How to Prevent a button from being printed on a
	report.
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Hi brad,
I'd move away from this approach and remove the logic from the report
itself.
I'd have a little modal popup form that appeared (In a not too irritating
place on the screen) that allows them to choose colours from there.
You could also add a print button there too.
Remove the buttons from the report altogether and let the report 'just be' a
report.

Darren

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brad Marks
Sent: Monday, 9 April 2012 12:40 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] How to Prevent a button from being printed on a report.

All,

We have an Access Report that has three buttons near the top of the report.

The purpose of these buttons is to change the color of the report header
section to green, blue, or yellow.

The different colors are used to differentiate between the "Accounting
Copy", the "File Copy" and the "Production Copy".    

This approach is being implemented to replace an older method of using
different colored paper.  

The users love this new approach because they can simply print the report on
plain white paper and no longer need to load different colored paper into
their printers. 

We are seeing one small glitch that I would like to better understand and to
resolve.

The "Display When" property is set to "Screen Only" for the three buttons.

However, if a user clicks on one of the buttons and then prints the report
(Via the round Office Button in the upper left corner of the screen) the
color button that was pushed is printed on the report.

We have found that if the user clicks on another place on the report
(outside of the color button), then the button is not printed on the report.

I believe that this is related to the button "having focus", but I can't
understand why it would still have focus after the Office button is pushed
and "Print" is selected.

One more little tidbit.  Development is currently being done with Access
2007, and deployment is on Access 2010.  I am not sure if this makes a
difference or not.

Thanks,
Brad  


From Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com  Mon Apr  9 07:29:28 2012
From: Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com (Kaup, Chester)
Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2012 07:29:28 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Access 2007 Toolbar Issue
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It was built in Access 2003 using the view toolbars customize feature from the menubar. The database was later converted to access 2007 where it became an addin. I have been researching the problem and believe the cause is that the export toolbar command in Access 2003 has no counterpart in Access 2007.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Friday, April 06, 2012 8:54 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access 2007 Toolbar Issue

How did you build the toolbar, code or macros?

Charlotte Foust

On Fri, Apr 6, 2012 at 11:35 AM, Kaup, Chester <
Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com> wrote:

> I had a database in Access 2003 with a custom toolbar. One of the items on
> the toolbar used on a report was export. I moved the database to access
> 2007. Now in the addin toolbar I still have the item export. When I click
> on it I get the message:
>
> You tried to perform an operation involving a function or feature that was
> not installed in this version of SACROC surveillance.
>
> SACROC surveillance is the name of my database
>
> I need some help on what to for or where to look to fix this error. I
> checked all the VBA reference and they are the same.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Chester Kaup
> Engineering Technician
> Kinder Morgan CO2 Company, LLP
> Office (432) 688-3797
> FAX (432) 688-3799
>
>
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> number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced.
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From okiearcher at gmail.com  Mon Apr  9 09:26:44 2012
From: okiearcher at gmail.com (Keith)
Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2012 09:26:44 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Access 2007 Toolbar Issue
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20120409092616.016a87a0@mail.archersworld.com>

I had the same issue. I had created a nice custom menu bar in A2003, but 
when I converted to A2007, it was an add-in and I have never found a way to 
modify or customize it further.

So I created a custom form, put all my menu bar commands on there and am 
able to continue to develop my 'function menu' as I see fit.

Keith



At 4/9/2012 07:29 AM -0500, you wrote:
It was built in Access 2003 using the view toolbars customize feature from 
the menubar. The database was later converted to access 2007 where it 
became an addin. I have been researching the problem and believe the cause 
is that the export toolbar command in Access 2003 has no counterpart in 
Access 2007.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Friday, April 06, 2012 8:54 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access 2007 Toolbar Issue

How did you build the toolbar, code or macros?

Charlotte Foust

On Fri, Apr 6, 2012 at 11:35 AM, Kaup, Chester <
Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com> wrote:

 > I had a database in Access 2003 with a custom toolbar. One of the items on
 > the toolbar used on a report was export. I moved the database to access
 > 2007. Now in the addin toolbar I still have the item export. When I click
 > on it I get the message:
 >
 > You tried to perform an operation involving a function or feature that was
 > not installed in this version of SACROC surveillance.
 >
 > SACROC surveillance is the name of my database
 >
 > I need some help on what to for or where to look to fix this error. I
 > checked all the VBA reference and they are the same.
 >
 > Thanks.
 >
 > Chester Kaup
 > Engineering Technician
 > Kinder Morgan CO2 Company, LLP
 > Office (432) 688-3797
 > FAX (432) 688-3799
 >
 >
 > No trees were killed in the sending of this message. However a large
 > number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced.
 >
 >
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From bill_patten at embarqmail.com  Mon Apr  9 11:37:23 2012
From: bill_patten at embarqmail.com (Bill Patten)
Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2012 09:37:23 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Access 2007 Toolbar Issue
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Message-ID: <58443115B8694B2390AED2DD4B6DDE9D@BPCS>

I use this solution, (I do it programmatically but do this manually to see 
if it works for you.)
Go  to Options then Current Database then make Ribbon name blank, click the 
menu bar drop down and select your menu and turn off allow built in 
toolbars.
Close the database and re open and I have my menu bar and no ribbon.

Allow full menus and allow default  Shortcut Menus are both checked.

Oh I haven't figured out how to select the Menu Bar programmatically so I 
select it before I ship. It stays set unless they open it in 2003.

By the way, hitting Ctrl and F11 brings back the old File Edit View .... 
menu we know an love.

HTH

Bill

-----Original Message----- 
From: Keith
Sent: Monday, April 09, 2012 7:26 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access 2007 Toolbar Issue

I had the same issue. I had created a nice custom menu bar in A2003, but
when I converted to A2007, it was an add-in and I have never found a way to
modify or customize it further.

So I created a custom form, put all my menu bar commands on there and am
able to continue to develop my 'function menu' as I see fit.

Keith



At 4/9/2012 07:29 AM -0500, you wrote:
It was built in Access 2003 using the view toolbars customize feature from
the menubar. The database was later converted to access 2007 where it
became an addin. I have been researching the problem and believe the cause
is that the export toolbar command in Access 2003 has no counterpart in
Access 2007.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Friday, April 06, 2012 8:54 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access 2007 Toolbar Issue

How did you build the toolbar, code or macros?

Charlotte Foust

On Fri, Apr 6, 2012 at 11:35 AM, Kaup, Chester <
Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com> wrote:

> I had a database in Access 2003 with a custom toolbar. One of the items on
> the toolbar used on a report was export. I moved the database to access
> 2007. Now in the addin toolbar I still have the item export. When I click
> on it I get the message:
>
> You tried to perform an operation involving a function or feature that was
> not installed in this version of SACROC surveillance.
>
> SACROC surveillance is the name of my database
>
> I need some help on what to for or where to look to fix this error. I
> checked all the VBA reference and they are the same.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Chester Kaup
> Engineering Technician
> Kinder Morgan CO2 Company, LLP
> Office (432) 688-3797
> FAX (432) 688-3799
>
>
> No trees were killed in the sending of this message. However a large
> number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced.
>
>
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From okiearcher at gmail.com  Mon Apr  9 12:10:52 2012
From: okiearcher at gmail.com (Keith)
Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2012 12:10:52 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Access 2007 Toolbar Issue
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Can you edit your menu bar? Say, you want to add a new button to one of 
your menu items that will open a report or something like that. Are you 
able to add a new button to your menu bar?

Keith

At 4/9/2012 09:37 AM -0700, you wrote:
>I use this solution, (I do it programmatically but do this manually to see
>if it works for you.)
>Go  to Options then Current Database then make Ribbon name blank, click the
>menu bar drop down and select your menu and turn off allow built in
>toolbars.
>Close the database and re open and I have my menu bar and no ribbon.
>
>Allow full menus and allow default  Shortcut Menus are both checked.
>
>Oh I haven't figured out how to select the Menu Bar programmatically so I
>select it before I ship. It stays set unless they open it in 2003.
>
>By the way, hitting Ctrl and F11 brings back the old File Edit View ....
>menu we know an love.
>
>HTH
>
>Bill
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Keith
>Sent: Monday, April 09, 2012 7:26 AM
>To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access 2007 Toolbar Issue
>
>I had the same issue. I had created a nice custom menu bar in A2003, but
>when I converted to A2007, it was an add-in and I have never found a way to
>modify or customize it further.
>
>So I created a custom form, put all my menu bar commands on there and am
>able to continue to develop my 'function menu' as I see fit.
>
>Keith
>
>
>
>At 4/9/2012 07:29 AM -0500, you wrote:
>It was built in Access 2003 using the view toolbars customize feature from
>the menubar. The database was later converted to access 2007 where it
>became an addin. I have been researching the problem and believe the cause
>is that the export toolbar command in Access 2003 has no counterpart in
>Access 2007.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
>Sent: Friday, April 06, 2012 8:54 PM
>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access 2007 Toolbar Issue
>
>How did you build the toolbar, code or macros?
>
>Charlotte Foust
>
>On Fri, Apr 6, 2012 at 11:35 AM, Kaup, Chester <
>Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com> wrote:
>
> > I had a database in Access 2003 with a custom toolbar. One of the items on
> > the toolbar used on a report was export. I moved the database to access
> > 2007. Now in the addin toolbar I still have the item export. When I click
> > on it I get the message:
> >
> > You tried to perform an operation involving a function or feature that was
> > not installed in this version of SACROC surveillance.
> >
> > SACROC surveillance is the name of my database
> >
> > I need some help on what to for or where to look to fix this error. I
> > checked all the VBA reference and they are the same.
> >
> > Thanks.
> >
> > Chester Kaup
> > Engineering Technician
> > Kinder Morgan CO2 Company, LLP
> > Office (432) 688-3797
> > FAX (432) 688-3799
> >
> >
> > No trees were killed in the sending of this message. However a large
> > number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced.
> >
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From bill_patten at embarqmail.com  Mon Apr  9 13:48:54 2012
From: bill_patten at embarqmail.com (Bill Patten)
Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2012 11:48:54 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Access 2007 Toolbar Issue
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20120409120937.016bb828@mail.archersworld.com>
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Keith,

No, I put it back into 2003 to modify. Then load it onto 2007 or 2010 and 
manually select my menu bar before shipping.

If you find a way to edit in 2007 please let me know.

Bill

-----Original Message----- 
From: Keith
Sent: Monday, April 09, 2012 10:10 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access 2007 Toolbar Issue

Can you edit your menu bar? Say, you want to add a new button to one of
your menu items that will open a report or something like that. Are you
able to add a new button to your menu bar?

Keith

At 4/9/2012 09:37 AM -0700, you wrote:
>I use this solution, (I do it programmatically but do this manually to see
>if it works for you.)
>Go  to Options then Current Database then make Ribbon name blank, click the
>menu bar drop down and select your menu and turn off allow built in
>toolbars.
>Close the database and re open and I have my menu bar and no ribbon.
>
>Allow full menus and allow default  Shortcut Menus are both checked.
>
>Oh I haven't figured out how to select the Menu Bar programmatically so I
>select it before I ship. It stays set unless they open it in 2003.
>
>By the way, hitting Ctrl and F11 brings back the old File Edit View ....
>menu we know an love.
>
>HTH
>
>Bill
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Keith
>Sent: Monday, April 09, 2012 7:26 AM
>To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access 2007 Toolbar Issue
>
>I had the same issue. I had created a nice custom menu bar in A2003, but
>when I converted to A2007, it was an add-in and I have never found a way to
>modify or customize it further.
>
>So I created a custom form, put all my menu bar commands on there and am
>able to continue to develop my 'function menu' as I see fit.
>
>Keith
>
>
>
>At 4/9/2012 07:29 AM -0500, you wrote:
>It was built in Access 2003 using the view toolbars customize feature from
>the menubar. The database was later converted to access 2007 where it
>became an addin. I have been researching the problem and believe the cause
>is that the export toolbar command in Access 2003 has no counterpart in
>Access 2007.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
>Sent: Friday, April 06, 2012 8:54 PM
>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access 2007 Toolbar Issue
>
>How did you build the toolbar, code or macros?
>
>Charlotte Foust
>
>On Fri, Apr 6, 2012 at 11:35 AM, Kaup, Chester <
>Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com> wrote:
>
> > I had a database in Access 2003 with a custom toolbar. One of the items 
> > on
> > the toolbar used on a report was export. I moved the database to access
> > 2007. Now in the addin toolbar I still have the item export. When I 
> > click
> > on it I get the message:
> >
> > You tried to perform an operation involving a function or feature that 
> > was
> > not installed in this version of SACROC surveillance.
> >
> > SACROC surveillance is the name of my database
> >
> > I need some help on what to for or where to look to fix this error. I
> > checked all the VBA reference and they are the same.
> >
> > Thanks.
> >
> > Chester Kaup
> > Engineering Technician
> > Kinder Morgan CO2 Company, LLP
> > Office (432) 688-3797
> > FAX (432) 688-3799
> >
> >
> > No trees were killed in the sending of this message. However a large
> > number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced.
> >
> >
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From okiearcher at gmail.com  Mon Apr  9 14:18:07 2012
From: okiearcher at gmail.com (Keith)
Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2012 14:18:07 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Access 2007 Toolbar Issue
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References: <5.1.0.14.2.20120409120937.016bb828@mail.archersworld.com>
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I've stopped looking for a way...

But if I happen to stumble upon one, I'll be sure to post it if you'll do 
the same!

Have a good one.
Keith


At 4/9/2012 11:48 AM -0700, Bill Patten wrote:
>Keith,
>
>No, I put it back into 2003 to modify. Then load it onto 2007 or 2010 and
>manually select my menu bar before shipping.
>
>If you find a way to edit in 2007 please let me know.
>
>Bill
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Keith
>Sent: Monday, April 09, 2012 10:10 AM
>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access 2007 Toolbar Issue
>
>Can you edit your menu bar? Say, you want to add a new button to one of
>your menu items that will open a report or something like that. Are you
>able to add a new button to your menu bar?
>
>Keith
>
>At 4/9/2012 09:37 AM -0700, you wrote:
> >I use this solution, (I do it programmatically but do this manually to see
> >if it works for you.)
> >Go  to Options then Current Database then make Ribbon name blank, click the
> >menu bar drop down and select your menu and turn off allow built in
> >toolbars.
> >Close the database and re open and I have my menu bar and no ribbon.
> >
> >Allow full menus and allow default  Shortcut Menus are both checked.
> >
> >Oh I haven't figured out how to select the Menu Bar programmatically so I
> >select it before I ship. It stays set unless they open it in 2003.
> >
> >By the way, hitting Ctrl and F11 brings back the old File Edit View ....
> >menu we know an love.
> >
> >HTH
> >
> >Bill
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Keith
> >Sent: Monday, April 09, 2012 7:26 AM
> >To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> >Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access 2007 Toolbar Issue
> >
> >I had the same issue. I had created a nice custom menu bar in A2003, but
> >when I converted to A2007, it was an add-in and I have never found a way to
> >modify or customize it further.
> >
> >So I created a custom form, put all my menu bar commands on there and am
> >able to continue to develop my 'function menu' as I see fit.
> >
> >Keith
> >
> >
> >
> >At 4/9/2012 07:29 AM -0500, you wrote:
> >It was built in Access 2003 using the view toolbars customize feature from
> >the menubar. The database was later converted to access 2007 where it
> >became an addin. I have been researching the problem and believe the cause
> >is that the export toolbar command in Access 2003 has no counterpart in
> >Access 2007.
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> >[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
> >Sent: Friday, April 06, 2012 8:54 PM
> >To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> >Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access 2007 Toolbar Issue
> >
> >How did you build the toolbar, code or macros?
> >
> >Charlotte Foust
> >
> >On Fri, Apr 6, 2012 at 11:35 AM, Kaup, Chester <
> >Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com> wrote:
> >
> > > I had a database in Access 2003 with a custom toolbar. One of the items
> > > on
> > > the toolbar used on a report was export. I moved the database to access
> > > 2007. Now in the addin toolbar I still have the item export. When I
> > > click
> > > on it I get the message:
> > >
> > > You tried to perform an operation involving a function or feature that
> > > was
> > > not installed in this version of SACROC surveillance.
> > >
> > > SACROC surveillance is the name of my database
> > >
> > > I need some help on what to for or where to look to fix this error. I
> > > checked all the VBA reference and they are the same.
> > >
> > > Thanks.
> > >
> > > Chester Kaup
> > > Engineering Technician
> > > Kinder Morgan CO2 Company, LLP
> > > Office (432) 688-3797
> > > FAX (432) 688-3799
> > >
> > >
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> > > number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced.
> > >
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From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au  Mon Apr  9 18:17:09 2012
From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins)
Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2012 23:17:09 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Access 2007 Toolbar Issue
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20120409092616.016a87a0@mail.archersworld.com>
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20120409092616.016a87a0@mail.archersworld.com>
Message-ID: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B50CF1C93A@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>

Yeah, all custom (command type) toolbars sit under the addin tab on the ribbon.  There are a couple of things you can do - although often the best solution is to build a custom ribbon tab instead and add in your commands there.  Depends a bit on your user base / environment...

Cheers
Darryl.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Keith
Sent: Tuesday, 10 April 2012 12:27 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access 2007 Toolbar Issue

I had the same issue. I had created a nice custom menu bar in A2003, but when I converted to A2007, it was an add-in and I have never found a way to modify or customize it further.

So I created a custom form, put all my menu bar commands on there and am able to continue to develop my 'function menu' as I see fit.

Keith



At 4/9/2012 07:29 AM -0500, you wrote:
It was built in Access 2003 using the view toolbars customize feature from the menubar. The database was later converted to access 2007 where it became an addin. I have been researching the problem and believe the cause is that the export toolbar command in Access 2003 has no counterpart in Access 2007.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Friday, April 06, 2012 8:54 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access 2007 Toolbar Issue

How did you build the toolbar, code or macros?

Charlotte Foust

On Fri, Apr 6, 2012 at 11:35 AM, Kaup, Chester < Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com> wrote:

 > I had a database in Access 2003 with a custom toolbar. One of the items on  > the toolbar used on a report was export. I moved the database to access  > 2007. Now in the addin toolbar I still have the item export. When I click  > on it I get the message:
 >
 > You tried to perform an operation involving a function or feature that was  > not installed in this version of SACROC surveillance.
 >
 > SACROC surveillance is the name of my database  >  > I need some help on what to for or where to look to fix this error. I  > checked all the VBA reference and they are the same.
 >
 > Thanks.
 >
 > Chester Kaup
 > Engineering Technician
 > Kinder Morgan CO2 Company, LLP
 > Office (432) 688-3797
 > FAX (432) 688-3799
 >
 >
 > No trees were killed in the sending of this message. However a large  > number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced.
 >
 >
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed Apr 11 10:04:55 2012
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2012 11:04:55 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] VM machine CPU usage
Message-ID: <4F859D97.3090508@colbyconsulting.com>

U do much of my work in a VM which I call vmDev (development).  I have three cores assigned to the VM.

I started a process running creating a compressed index on another server (Azul) building an index 
in the DBFH.  The processor usage is hovering around 19-25 percent and yet if I look at the 
processes and their CPU usage, the idle task is at 99% all of the time.  I have "show processes from 
all users" checked.

What gives?

I closed down FireFox and the processor usage dropped to around 12%.  And yet FF did not show as 
using any processor cycles (1% occasionally).

I occasionally go into the task manager to check processor usage but never noticed this anomaly.

-- 
John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it


From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Apr 12 09:23:45 2012
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2012 10:23:45 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Just looking for a consensus
Message-ID: <4F86E571.5040608@colbyconsulting.com>

I have pairs of flags and methods to set/get those flags, an Err and ErrMsg.  Err is the date/time 
and ErrMsg is the message.

It seems appropriate to call Err from ErrMsg, i.e. if I set an error message, have that property 
call the Err property to set the date / time as well.

As it is I call two properties, one to set the date / time and the other to save the error message.

Your thoughts?

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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Thu Apr 12 09:48:32 2012
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 00:48:32 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Just looking for a consensus
In-Reply-To: <4F86E571.5040608@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4F86E571.5040608@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <4F86EB40.30500.2491DD8@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

ISTM that having to physically set both the message and its time is flawed design.  Setting 
the message should automatically set the time.

-- 
Stuart

On 12 Apr 2012 at 10:23, jwcolby wrote:

> I have pairs of flags and methods to set/get those flags, an Err and ErrMsg.  Err is the date/time 
> and ErrMsg is the message.
> 
> It seems appropriate to call Err from ErrMsg, i.e. if I set an error message, have that property 
> call the Err property to set the date / time as well.
> 
> As it is I call two properties, one to set the date / time and the other to save the error message.
> 
> Your thoughts?
> 
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> Colby Consulting
> 
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From davidmcafee at gmail.com  Thu Apr 12 14:07:52 2012
From: davidmcafee at gmail.com (David McAfee)
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2012 12:07:52 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] A2007 Maximized Report, how to restore window?
Message-ID: <CAMhYZWaOc_H_ZGRGzWpj3shjvxcX8nh9St77KLbPxfAo_4oopA@mail.gmail.com>

I fell like such an idiot, but how do I restore an Acess2007 report that
was accidentally maximized?

MS removed the close, minimize and Maximize/restore buttons for reports.

To close a report you have to press the button on the Stupid Toolbar (of
course, if the huge, ugly thing isn't hidden), or press Ctrl+W (for us old
schoolers).

I want to see something on a form that is behind the maximized report.

Is there a way of doing so without closing and reopening the report?

Thanks,
David

From charlotte.foust at gmail.com  Thu Apr 12 19:55:03 2012
From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2012 17:55:03 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Just looking for a consensus
In-Reply-To: <4F86E571.5040608@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4F86E571.5040608@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <CAH+Met90UUi4KV7by3jnCCyA8_2pOQ2Dntj3x0HSDMg=VMi31g@mail.gmail.com>

The date/time would be an attribute of the error itself, as would the
message describing the error.  Are these "errors" that you're defining or
system thrown exceptions?  In either case, both the date/time and the
description of the error are attributes of the error condition. Are you
working with an error object of some kind?  use that to access the
properties.

I'd use something like ErrDateStamp as the name of that method, since that
more accurately describes the value returned.

Charlotte Foust

On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 7:23 AM, jwcolby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>wrote:

> I have pairs of flags and methods to set/get those flags, an Err and
> ErrMsg.  Err is the date/time and ErrMsg is the message.
>
> It seems appropriate to call Err from ErrMsg, i.e. if I set an error
> message, have that property call the Err property to set the date / time as
> well.
>
> As it is I call two properties, one to set the date / time and the other
> to save the error message.
>
> Your thoughts?
>
> --
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
>
> Reality is what refuses to go away
> when you do not believe in it
>
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From TSeptav at uniserve.com  Fri Apr 13 11:05:06 2012
From: TSeptav at uniserve.com (Tony Septav)
Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 09:05:06 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Sorry to be a bother
Message-ID: <E13ACD05CCFE4D5CB6F37F9D01F46526@TonySeptav>

Hey All
My internet server has been doing some updates to their system this week.
Has the list been fairly quiet? SinceTuesday I have only received 4 messages
from the list. Just wanted to make sure I am not running into a problem with
the new updates.
 
Thanks
Tony Septav
Nanaimo, BC
Canada

From accessd at shaw.ca  Fri Apr 13 11:39:00 2012
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 09:39:00 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Sorry to be a bother
In-Reply-To: <E13ACD05CCFE4D5CB6F37F9D01F46526@TonySeptav>
References: <E13ACD05CCFE4D5CB6F37F9D01F46526@TonySeptav>
Message-ID: <A52ABD14271B46A7BBE54F817E040691@creativesystemdesigns.com>

No Tony, it has been fairly quiet.

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tony Septav
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 9:05 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Sorry to be a bother

Hey All
My internet server has been doing some updates to their system this week.
Has the list been fairly quiet? SinceTuesday I have only received 4 messages
from the list. Just wanted to make sure I am not running into a problem with
the new updates.
 
Thanks
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From TSeptav at uniserve.com  Fri Apr 13 11:46:58 2012
From: TSeptav at uniserve.com (Tony Septav)
Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 09:46:58 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Sorry to be a bother
In-Reply-To: <A52ABD14271B46A7BBE54F817E040691@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <E13ACD05CCFE4D5CB6F37F9D01F46526@TonySeptav>
	<A52ABD14271B46A7BBE54F817E040691@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <BCCFE231041A49239D821FBCDA606F91@TonySeptav>

Hey Jim
Thanks kindly, I was getting worried. 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 9:39 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Sorry to be a bother

No Tony, it has been fairly quiet.

Jim

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Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 9:05 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Sorry to be a bother

Hey All
My internet server has been doing some updates to their system this week.
Has the list been fairly quiet? SinceTuesday I have only received 4 messages
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Thanks
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From BradM at blackforestltd.com  Fri Apr 13 13:45:11 2012
From: BradM at blackforestltd.com (Brad Marks)
Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 13:45:11 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] ODBC Setup Problem - New Access 2007 Application
References: <4F6CB3F8.7090701@colbyconsulting.com><E1SEJ8V-00074i-SM.mcp2004-mail-ru@f274.mail.ru><96268DB44DBE42E49017D0A852AF2BE6@HAL9007><E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C501540EF3@blkltd.blkfst2003.local><CAEPJO1jqN1AYLPpJys4k_jfyiJVD_n9DdVHWxPNKEvrM+qx+9Q@mail.gmail.com><E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C59FEAFF@blkltd.blkfst2003.local><DECA1B2557E8452B9A33885DEA780077@HAL9007><E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C59FEB00@blkltd.blkfst2003.local><CAH+Met_Dd+KE4JFSwPzFO-SbNe=ESnaLzGJZkqF4TRp3SkKzVQ@mail.gmail.com><37AC976EC2284D6F90D51884DC517846@HAL9007><CAH+Met_Z0GNvaj0Bnns2ZT+Wq6AYhiUtp6GC3TaWPDNhTPHn-A@mail.gmail.com><E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C59FEB07@blkltd.blkfst2003.local><CAGuQ9V6b1QpEcLxknPjupf+jph91K0fEHMYkVRwuOBT-J5pwHQ@mail.gmail.com>	<CAGuQ9V7Js_bu6HnjdrgKd2=79m5NbanJ0Vb0O68__=+dHkibiA@mail.gmail.com><E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C59FEB09@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
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All,

I have started to deploy a new Access 2007 Reporting Application on
about 15 PCs.  The data lives on a FireBird Database and is accessible
via ODBC.  I have been running tests for several months and everything
works great.

Recently I started installing the application of our users' PCs.  Things
went nicely on the first four PCs, but on the fifth one, I hit a snag
with setting up ODBC.  I then tried the exact same setup on 4 other PCs
and I am running into the problem.

I have downloaded the Firebird ODBC driver installation file and stored
it on our server.

I have run numerous tests with this install file.  It works on some PCs
and does not work on others.

All of the PCs are running XP SP3.

The install of the driver appears to work fine.

When I go into the Control Panel / Administrative Tools / Data Source
(ODBC), I can see the driver.

I then try to add a new System DSN.  When I try the "Test Connection" I
receive this message
 "Open database 'Y:\Database\demo\EJDB.FDB' failed" 

I have spent about 12 hours trying many different things and am running
out of options.

I have logged on as Administrator and the problem still surfaces.

I have shut off the virus detection software - no luck.

I have rebooted the PCs -no luck.

I must be missing something.  Has anyone else ever run into something
like this?

Thanks,
Brad

PS.  I have read about DSN-less connections, but I have never
experimented with this approach.
Perhaps someone could post an example of how to do this.  This might be
the approach that I will need to take.    Thanks!


From jimdettman at verizon.net  Fri Apr 13 13:53:38 2012
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 14:53:38 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] ODBC Setup Problem - New Access 2007 Application
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 No insight on the setup issue, but Doug has an excellent write-up here:

http://www.accessmvp.com/DJSteele/DSNLessLinks.html

 With code to convert your existing connections using DSN's to DSNless ones.

Jim. 

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brad Marks
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 02:45 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] ODBC Setup Problem - New Access 2007 Application

All,

I have started to deploy a new Access 2007 Reporting Application on
about 15 PCs.  The data lives on a FireBird Database and is accessible
via ODBC.  I have been running tests for several months and everything
works great.

Recently I started installing the application of our users' PCs.  Things
went nicely on the first four PCs, but on the fifth one, I hit a snag
with setting up ODBC.  I then tried the exact same setup on 4 other PCs
and I am running into the problem.

I have downloaded the Firebird ODBC driver installation file and stored
it on our server.

I have run numerous tests with this install file.  It works on some PCs
and does not work on others.

All of the PCs are running XP SP3.

The install of the driver appears to work fine.

When I go into the Control Panel / Administrative Tools / Data Source
(ODBC), I can see the driver.

I then try to add a new System DSN.  When I try the "Test Connection" I
receive this message
 "Open database 'Y:\Database\demo\EJDB.FDB' failed" 

I have spent about 12 hours trying many different things and am running
out of options.

I have logged on as Administrator and the problem still surfaces.

I have shut off the virus detection software - no luck.

I have rebooted the PCs -no luck.

I must be missing something.  Has anyone else ever run into something
like this?

Thanks,
Brad

PS.  I have read about DSN-less connections, but I have never
experimented with this approach.
Perhaps someone could post an example of how to do this.  This might be
the approach that I will need to take.    Thanks!

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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sun Apr 15 22:07:32 2012
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2012 23:07:32 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] The coming in-memory database tipping point. - SQL Server
 Team Blog - Site Home - TechNet Blogs
Message-ID: <4F8B8CF4.8030804@colbyconsulting.com>


-- 
John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it
http://blogs.technet.com/b/dataplatforminsider/archive/2012/04/09/the-coming-in-memory-database-tipping-point.aspx


From vbacreations at gmail.com  Mon Apr 16 05:42:29 2012
From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson)
Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 06:42:29 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] The coming in-memory database tipping point. - SQL
 Server Team Blog - Site Home - TechNet Blogs
In-Reply-To: <4F8B8CF4.8030804@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4F8B8CF4.8030804@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <CAGuQ9V5N2wsc+vXEgwRQA==f2yqF1uQtVaV2c_RGvfNyiX7q2Q@mail.gmail.com>

John your test for reality sounds good but is very hard to prove because to
do so I would have to stop believing in something that exists, with very
little positive feedback the meanwhile. Is there an easier test?
On Apr 15, 2012 11:11 PM, "jwcolby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:

>
> --
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
>
> Reality is what refuses to go away
> when you do not believe in it
> http://blogs.technet.com/b/**dataplatforminsider/archive/**
> 2012/04/09/the-coming-in-**memory-database-tipping-point.**aspx<http://blogs.technet.com/b/dataplatforminsider/archive/2012/04/09/the-coming-in-memory-database-tipping-point.aspx>
>
> --
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> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/accessd<http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd>
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.**com<http://www.databaseadvisors.com>
>

From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Apr 16 06:06:52 2012
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 07:06:52 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] The coming in-memory database tipping point. - SQL
 Server Team Blog - Site Home - TechNet Blogs
In-Reply-To: <CAGuQ9V5N2wsc+vXEgwRQA==f2yqF1uQtVaV2c_RGvfNyiX7q2Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4F8B8CF4.8030804@colbyconsulting.com>
	<CAGuQ9V5N2wsc+vXEgwRQA==f2yqF1uQtVaV2c_RGvfNyiX7q2Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4F8BFD4C.4020701@colbyconsulting.com>

Choose to believe that the bus does not exist.  Then step in front of it.

Lots of positive feedback.  ;)

Choose to believe that you can fly.  Then jump off the building.

Lots of positive feedback.  ;)

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 4/16/2012 6:42 AM, William Benson wrote:
> John your test for reality sounds good but is very hard to prove because to
> do so I would have to stop believing in something that exists, with very
> little positive feedback the meanwhile. Is there an easier test?
> On Apr 15, 2012 11:11 PM, "jwcolby"<jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>  wrote:
>
>>
>> --
>> John W. Colby
>> Colby Consulting
>>
>> Reality is what refuses to go away
>> when you do not believe in it
>> http://blogs.technet.com/b/**dataplatforminsider/archive/**
>> 2012/04/09/the-coming-in-**memory-database-tipping-point.**aspx<http://blogs.technet.com/b/dataplatforminsider/archive/2012/04/09/the-coming-in-memory-database-tipping-point.aspx>
>>
>> --
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>> http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/accessd<http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd>
>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.**com<http://www.databaseadvisors.com>
>>


From vbacreations at gmail.com  Mon Apr 16 06:13:57 2012
From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson)
Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 07:13:57 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] The coming in-memory database tipping point. - SQL
 Server Team Blog - Site Home - TechNet Blogs
In-Reply-To: <4F8BFD4C.4020701@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4F8B8CF4.8030804@colbyconsulting.com>
	<CAGuQ9V5N2wsc+vXEgwRQA==f2yqF1uQtVaV2c_RGvfNyiX7q2Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<4F8BFD4C.4020701@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <CAGuQ9V6t=ar1wdfPFuW0xR5rkfDjJupDW1U75=w=bi+_9MTuuA@mail.gmail.com>

I see. That kind of feedback would make an impact on me.
On Apr 16, 2012 7:12 AM, "jwcolby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:

> Choose to believe that the bus does not exist.  Then step in front of it.
>
> Lots of positive feedback.  ;)
>
> Choose to believe that you can fly.  Then jump off the building.
>
> Lots of positive feedback.  ;)
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
>
> Reality is what refuses to go away
> when you do not believe in it
>
> On 4/16/2012 6:42 AM, William Benson wrote:
>
>> John your test for reality sounds good but is very hard to prove because
>> to
>> do so I would have to stop believing in something that exists, with very
>> little positive feedback the meanwhile. Is there an easier test?
>> On Apr 15, 2012 11:11 PM, "jwcolby"<jwcolby@**colbyconsulting.com<jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>>
>>  wrote:
>>
>>
>>> --
>>> John W. Colby
>>> Colby Consulting
>>>
>>> Reality is what refuses to go away
>>> when you do not believe in it
>>> http://blogs.technet.com/b/****dataplatforminsider/archive/**<http://blogs.technet.com/b/**dataplatforminsider/archive/**>
>>> 2012/04/09/the-coming-in-****memory-database-tipping-point.****aspx<
>>> http://blogs.technet.**com/b/dataplatforminsider/**
>>> archive/2012/04/09/the-coming-**in-memory-database-tipping-**point.aspx<http://blogs.technet.com/b/dataplatforminsider/archive/2012/04/09/the-coming-in-memory-database-tipping-point.aspx>
>>> >
>>>
>>> --
>>> AccessD mailing list
>>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/****mailman/listinfo/accessd<http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/accessd>
>>> <http:**//databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/accessd<http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd>
>>> >
>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.****com<http://www.**
>>> databaseadvisors.com <http://www.databaseadvisors.com>>
>>>
>>>
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> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/accessd<http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd>
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.**com<http://www.databaseadvisors.com>
>

From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Apr 16 06:58:21 2012
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 07:58:21 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] The coming in-memory database tipping point. - SQL
 Server Team Blog - Site Home - TechNet Blogs
In-Reply-To: <CAGuQ9V5N2wsc+vXEgwRQA==f2yqF1uQtVaV2c_RGvfNyiX7q2Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4F8B8CF4.8030804@colbyconsulting.com>
	<CAGuQ9V5N2wsc+vXEgwRQA==f2yqF1uQtVaV2c_RGvfNyiX7q2Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4F8C095D.1030306@colbyconsulting.com>

 > John your test for reality sounds good but is very hard to prove because to do so I would have to 
stop believing in something that exists, with very little positive feedback the meanwhile. Is there 
an easier test?

It has always amazed me how some people cling to the notion that their belief somehow changes 
reality.  In fact there is an entire philosophy that "I believe therefore I am".  In fact it is "I 
think, therefore I am" but implicit in that statement is the belief that that statement (and the 
self) is true.

The fact is that whether we believe or don't makes absolutely no difference to reality.  Believe in 
the bus or not, it's gonna hurt if you step in front of it.  Believe you can fly or not, you will 
reach the same terminal velocity regardless (and make the same size splat).  ;)

I hear people say "I don't believe in God" as if that makes all the difference in the world.  Or "I 
don't believe in evolution" as if that makes those damned germs stop evolving to be drug resistant. 
  In fact it never ceases to amuse me when people profess to disbelieve in evolution but then 
discuss with great gusto how household cleaners are creating super germs.

Believe or don't believe, it makes no difference at all.  What it does change is how you behave of 
course, which does impact the world around you, but it makes no impact on the reality of what you 
believe or don't believe in.

Believe or don't believe, makes no damned difference to me.  Or reality.

:)

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 4/16/2012 6:42 AM, William Benson wrote:
> John your test for reality sounds good but is very hard to prove because to
> do so I would have to stop believing in something that exists, with very
> little positive feedback the meanwhile. Is there an easier test?
> On Apr 15, 2012 11:11 PM, "jwcolby"<jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>  wrote:
>
>>
>> --
>> John W. Colby
>> Colby Consulting
>>
>> Reality is what refuses to go away
>> when you do not believe in it
>> http://blogs.technet.com/b/**dataplatforminsider/archive/**
>> 2012/04/09/the-coming-in-**memory-database-tipping-point.**aspx<http://blogs.technet.com/b/dataplatforminsider/archive/2012/04/09/the-coming-in-memory-database-tipping-point.aspx>
>>
>> --
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>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>> http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/accessd<http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd>
>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.**com<http://www.databaseadvisors.com>
>>


From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Mon Apr 16 08:09:57 2012
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 06:09:57 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] The coming in-memory database tipping point. - SQL
	Server Team Blog - Site Home - TechNet Blogs
In-Reply-To: <CAGuQ9V6t=ar1wdfPFuW0xR5rkfDjJupDW1U75=w=bi+_9MTuuA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4F8B8CF4.8030804@colbyconsulting.com><CAGuQ9V5N2wsc+vXEgwRQA==f2yqF1uQtVaV2c_RGvfNyiX7q2Q@mail.gmail.com><4F8BFD4C.4020701@colbyconsulting.com>
	<CAGuQ9V6t=ar1wdfPFuW0xR5rkfDjJupDW1U75=w=bi+_9MTuuA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <194B4C0269C647089A2E4D164E770DA4@HAL9007>

They say you don't need a parachute to skydive.  You need a parachute to
skydive more than once.

Rocky
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Benson
Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 4:14 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] The coming in-memory database tipping point. - SQL
Server Team Blog - Site Home - TechNet Blogs

I see. That kind of feedback would make an impact on me.
On Apr 16, 2012 7:12 AM, "jwcolby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:

> Choose to believe that the bus does not exist.  Then step in front of it.
>
> Lots of positive feedback.  ;)
>
> Choose to believe that you can fly.  Then jump off the building.
>
> Lots of positive feedback.  ;)
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
>
> Reality is what refuses to go away
> when you do not believe in it
>
> On 4/16/2012 6:42 AM, William Benson wrote:
>
>> John your test for reality sounds good but is very hard to prove 
>> because to do so I would have to stop believing in something that 
>> exists, with very little positive feedback the meanwhile. Is there an 
>> easier test?
>> On Apr 15, 2012 11:11 PM, 
>> "jwcolby"<jwcolby@**colbyconsulting.com<jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>>
>>  wrote:
>>
>>
>>> --
>>> John W. Colby
>>> Colby Consulting
>>>
>>> Reality is what refuses to go away
>>> when you do not believe in it
>>> http://blogs.technet.com/b/****dataplatforminsider/archive/**<http:/
>>> /blogs.technet.com/b/**dataplatforminsider/archive/**>
>>> 2012/04/09/the-coming-in-****memory-database-tipping-point.****aspx<
>>> http://blogs.technet.**com/b/dataplatforminsider/**
>>> archive/2012/04/09/the-coming-**in-memory-database-tipping-**point.a
>>> spx<http://blogs.technet.com/b/dataplatforminsider/archive/2012/04/0
>>> 9/the-coming-in-memory-database-tipping-point.aspx>
>>> >
>>>
>>> --
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>>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/****mailman/listinfo/accessd<http://data
>>> baseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/accessd>
>>> <http:**//databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/accessd<http://dat
>>> abaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd>
>>> >
>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.****com<http://www.**
>>> databaseadvisors.com <http://www.databaseadvisors.com>>
>>>
>>>
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> advisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd>
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Mon Apr 16 09:44:45 2012
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 07:44:45 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Latest Outrage from Symantec
Message-ID: <4870B51CA4084F9394D52E01EE4FDA2B@HAL9007>

So I uploaded the installable exe of my MRP system to a folder on my website
for a new customer to download - my standard procedure which has been
working well for many years.
 
He called a couple minutes ago saying Symantec had detected a virus.  Not
possible, of course.  I asked him what Symantec said and he said
WS.Reputation.1. 
 
I looked it up.  You won't believe this:
http://www.symantec.com/security_response/writeup.jsp?docid=2010-051308-1854
-99
 
Apparently, my 'reputation' with Symantec isn't good enough to pass their
gatekeeper.  The gatekeeper " uses "the wisdom of crowds" (Symantec's tens
of millions of end users) connected to cloud-based intelligence to compute a
reputation score for an application, and in the process identify malicious
software in an entirely new way beyond traditional signatures and
behavior-based detection techniques."
 
"Symantec's reputation technology system tracks the attributes of software
files (applications, drivers and DLLs) from multiple sources, including: 



*	Anonymous data contributed by tens of millions of Norton
<http://www.symantec.com/about/profile/policies/ncwprivacy.jsp> Community
Watch members
*	Anonymous data contributed by enterprise customers in a data
collection program tailored to large enterprises
*	Data provided by software publishers"

"The reputation-based system uses "the wisdom of crowds" (Symantec's tens of
millions of end users) connected to cloud-based intelligence to compute a
reputation score for an application, and in the process identify malicious
software in an entirely new way beyond traditional signatures and
behavior-based detection techniques. 

The system considers many aspects of a file, including file age, file
download source, digital signature, and file prevalence. These attributes
are combined using a proprietary algorithm to determine a file's safety
reputation. The system maintains a rating for all files rather than just
malicious files. Each software file is given a GOOD, BAD or SUSPICIOUS
rating. 

Symantec's reputation-based security engine continuously monitors all files
and over time a file's reputation may change."
 
Of course, since each exe file I send has the user's company name as part of
the file name, it will never have enough users to gain a 'reputation'.  
 
Of course there are detailed (not) instructions on the site for software
developers on which hoops to jump through in order to appease the Symantec
gatekeepers.  I'm not about to spend 4 minutes of my precious time on this
earth trying to please these blockheads.
 
In a stunning breakthrough defying all the laws of physics, Symantec has
devised a system that both sucks and blows at the same time.
 
Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
858-259-4334
www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> 
www.e-z-mrp.com <http://www.e-z-mrp.com/> 
Skype: rocky.smolin
 
 
 

From marksimms at verizon.net  Mon Apr 16 10:25:31 2012
From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms)
Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 11:25:31 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Latest Outrage from Symantec
In-Reply-To: <4870B51CA4084F9394D52E01EE4FDA2B@HAL9007>
References: <4870B51CA4084F9394D52E01EE4FDA2B@HAL9007>
Message-ID: <00d301cd1be5$29982530$7cc86f90$@net>

Stupid. Just another dumb technical idea that generates FALSE POSITIVES.
Oh, wait..they're excused: they're from California.




From Benson at ge.com  Mon Apr 16 10:34:42 2012
From: Benson at ge.com (Benson, William (GE Global Research, consultant))
Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 15:34:42 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Latest Outrage from Symantec
In-Reply-To: <4870B51CA4084F9394D52E01EE4FDA2B@HAL9007>
References: <4870B51CA4084F9394D52E01EE4FDA2B@HAL9007>
Message-ID: <93D10F008B998B4A83BCA855A33EEF372C7E5FC7@CINMBCNA01.e2k.ad.ge.com>

The key to your unhappiness:

"I'm not about to spend 4 minutes of my precious time on this earth trying to please"


Sorry to say it. I'd spend the 4 minutes, or the 40 - and bill my client, saying that it was done for their convenience. And if they didn't like it they should switch to a non-Norton's product.



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 10:45 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Cc: 'Off Topic'
Subject: [AccessD] Latest Outrage from Symantec

So I uploaded the installable exe of my MRP system to a folder on my website for a new customer to download - my standard procedure which has been working well for many years.
 
He called a couple minutes ago saying Symantec had detected a virus.  Not possible, of course.  I asked him what Symantec said and he said WS.Reputation.1. 
 
I looked it up.  You won't believe this:
http://www.symantec.com/security_response/writeup.jsp?docid=2010-051308-1854
-99
 
Apparently, my 'reputation' with Symantec isn't good enough to pass their gatekeeper.  The gatekeeper " uses "the wisdom of crowds" (Symantec's tens of millions of end users) connected to cloud-based intelligence to compute a reputation score for an application, and in the process identify malicious software in an entirely new way beyond traditional signatures and behavior-based detection techniques."
 
"Symantec's reputation technology system tracks the attributes of software files (applications, drivers and DLLs) from multiple sources, including: 



*	Anonymous data contributed by tens of millions of Norton
<http://www.symantec.com/about/profile/policies/ncwprivacy.jsp> Community Watch members
*	Anonymous data contributed by enterprise customers in a data
collection program tailored to large enterprises
*	Data provided by software publishers"

"The reputation-based system uses "the wisdom of crowds" (Symantec's tens of millions of end users) connected to cloud-based intelligence to compute a reputation score for an application, and in the process identify malicious software in an entirely new way beyond traditional signatures and behavior-based detection techniques. 

The system considers many aspects of a file, including file age, file download source, digital signature, and file prevalence. These attributes are combined using a proprietary algorithm to determine a file's safety reputation. The system maintains a rating for all files rather than just malicious files. Each software file is given a GOOD, BAD or SUSPICIOUS rating. 

Symantec's reputation-based security engine continuously monitors all files and over time a file's reputation may change."
 
Of course, since each exe file I send has the user's company name as part of the file name, it will never have enough users to gain a 'reputation'.  
 
Of course there are detailed (not) instructions on the site for software developers on which hoops to jump through in order to appease the Symantec gatekeepers.  I'm not about to spend 4 minutes of my precious time on this earth trying to please these blockheads.
 
In a stunning breakthrough defying all the laws of physics, Symantec has devised a system that both sucks and blows at the same time.
 
Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
858-259-4334
www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> www.e-z-mrp.com <http://www.e-z-mrp.com/>
Skype: rocky.smolin
 
 
 
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From michael at mattysconsulting.com  Mon Apr 16 10:36:56 2012
From: michael at mattysconsulting.com (Michael Mattys)
Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 11:36:56 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] The coming in-memory database tipping point. - SQL
	Server Team Blog - Site Home - TechNet Blogs
In-Reply-To: <4F8C095D.1030306@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4F8B8CF4.8030804@colbyconsulting.com>	<CAGuQ9V5N2wsc+vXEgwRQA==f2yqF1uQtVaV2c_RGvfNyiX7q2Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<4F8C095D.1030306@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <003f01cd1be6$c2482b30$46d88190$@mattysconsulting.com>

I agree with most everything you said.
It sounds as if you're making an argument for something, but it's hard to
tell.
Are you referring to (HGT) horizontal gene transfer, JC?

Michael R Mattys
Mattys Consulting, LLC
www.mattysconsulting.com


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 7:58 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] The coming in-memory database tipping point. - SQL
Server Team Blog - Site Home - TechNet Blogs

 > John your test for reality sounds good but is very hard to prove because
to do so I would have to stop believing in something that exists, with very
little positive feedback the meanwhile. Is there an easier test?

It has always amazed me how some people cling to the notion that their
belief somehow changes reality.  In fact there is an entire philosophy that
"I believe therefore I am".  In fact it is "I think, therefore I am" but
implicit in that statement is the belief that that statement (and the
self) is true.

The fact is that whether we believe or don't makes absolutely no difference
to reality.  Believe in the bus or not, it's gonna hurt if you step in front
of it.  Believe you can fly or not, you will reach the same terminal
velocity regardless (and make the same size splat).  ;)

I hear people say "I don't believe in God" as if that makes all the
difference in the world.  Or "I don't believe in evolution" as if that makes
those damned germs stop evolving to be drug resistant. 
  In fact it never ceases to amuse me when people profess to disbelieve in
evolution but then discuss with great gusto how household cleaners are
creating super germs.

Believe or don't believe, it makes no difference at all.  What it does
change is how you behave of course, which does impact the world around you,
but it makes no impact on the reality of what you believe or don't believe
in.

Believe or don't believe, makes no damned difference to me.  Or reality.

:)

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 4/16/2012 6:42 AM, William Benson wrote:
> John your test for reality sounds good but is very hard to prove 
> because to do so I would have to stop believing in something that 
> exists, with very little positive feedback the meanwhile. Is there an
easier test?
> On Apr 15, 2012 11:11 PM, "jwcolby"<jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>  wrote:
>
>>
>> --
>> John W. Colby
>> Colby Consulting
>>
>> Reality is what refuses to go away
>> when you do not believe in it
>> http://blogs.technet.com/b/**dataplatforminsider/archive/**
>> 2012/04/09/the-coming-in-**memory-database-tipping-point.**aspx<http:
>> //blogs.technet.com/b/dataplatforminsider/archive/2012/04/09/the-comi
>> ng-in-memory-database-tipping-point.aspx>
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From jimdettman at verizon.net  Mon Apr 16 10:43:06 2012
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 11:43:06 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Latest Outrage from Symantec
In-Reply-To: <93D10F008B998B4A83BCA855A33EEF372C7E5FC7@CINMBCNA01.e2k.ad.ge.com>
References: <4870B51CA4084F9394D52E01EE4FDA2B@HAL9007>
	<93D10F008B998B4A83BCA855A33EEF372C7E5FC7@CINMBCNA01.e2k.ad.ge.com>
Message-ID: <78106D54B8644B52A3F1FC63E29465EF@XPS>


 Problem is, the entire industry is heading towards reputation based
screening.  You can't keep up otherwise.

 I happen to clean-up a virus incident at one of my clients last week and as
part of that ran Spybot Search and Destroy; it's now up to 812,000 items it
checks for and the scan took almost an hour for the entire system.

Jim. 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Benson, William
(GE Global Research, consultant)
Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 11:35 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Latest Outrage from Symantec

The key to your unhappiness:

"I'm not about to spend 4 minutes of my precious time on this earth trying
to please"


Sorry to say it. I'd spend the 4 minutes, or the 40 - and bill my client,
saying that it was done for their convenience. And if they didn't like it
they should switch to a non-Norton's product.



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 10:45 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Cc: 'Off Topic'
Subject: [AccessD] Latest Outrage from Symantec

So I uploaded the installable exe of my MRP system to a folder on my website
for a new customer to download - my standard procedure which has been
working well for many years.
 
He called a couple minutes ago saying Symantec had detected a virus.  Not
possible, of course.  I asked him what Symantec said and he said
WS.Reputation.1. 
 
I looked it up.  You won't believe this:
http://www.symantec.com/security_response/writeup.jsp?docid=2010-051308-1854
-99
 
Apparently, my 'reputation' with Symantec isn't good enough to pass their
gatekeeper.  The gatekeeper " uses "the wisdom of crowds" (Symantec's tens
of millions of end users) connected to cloud-based intelligence to compute a
reputation score for an application, and in the process identify malicious
software in an entirely new way beyond traditional signatures and
behavior-based detection techniques."
 
"Symantec's reputation technology system tracks the attributes of software
files (applications, drivers and DLLs) from multiple sources, including: 



*	Anonymous data contributed by tens of millions of Norton
<http://www.symantec.com/about/profile/policies/ncwprivacy.jsp> Community
Watch members
*	Anonymous data contributed by enterprise customers in a data
collection program tailored to large enterprises
*	Data provided by software publishers"

"The reputation-based system uses "the wisdom of crowds" (Symantec's tens of
millions of end users) connected to cloud-based intelligence to compute a
reputation score for an application, and in the process identify malicious
software in an entirely new way beyond traditional signatures and
behavior-based detection techniques. 

The system considers many aspects of a file, including file age, file
download source, digital signature, and file prevalence. These attributes
are combined using a proprietary algorithm to determine a file's safety
reputation. The system maintains a rating for all files rather than just
malicious files. Each software file is given a GOOD, BAD or SUSPICIOUS
rating. 

Symantec's reputation-based security engine continuously monitors all files
and over time a file's reputation may change."
 
Of course, since each exe file I send has the user's company name as part of
the file name, it will never have enough users to gain a 'reputation'.  
 
Of course there are detailed (not) instructions on the site for software
developers on which hoops to jump through in order to appease the Symantec
gatekeepers.  I'm not about to spend 4 minutes of my precious time on this
earth trying to please these blockheads.
 
In a stunning breakthrough defying all the laws of physics, Symantec has
devised a system that both sucks and blows at the same time.
 
Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
858-259-4334
www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> www.e-z-mrp.com
<http://www.e-z-mrp.com/>
Skype: rocky.smolin
 
 
 
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Mon Apr 16 10:45:10 2012
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 08:45:10 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Latest Outrage from Symantec
In-Reply-To: <00d301cd1be5$29982530$7cc86f90$@net>
References: <4870B51CA4084F9394D52E01EE4FDA2B@HAL9007>
	<00d301cd1be5$29982530$7cc86f90$@net>
Message-ID: <A146CECCA7E64D87A1666F6A47AD039E@HAL9007>

HEY!  Some of my best friends are Californians...

R
 

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Simms
Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 8:26 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Latest Outrage from Symantec

Stupid. Just another dumb technical idea that generates FALSE POSITIVES.
Oh, wait..they're excused: they're from California.



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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Mon Apr 16 10:49:13 2012
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 08:49:13 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Latest Outrage from Symantec
In-Reply-To: <93D10F008B998B4A83BCA855A33EEF372C7E5FC7@CINMBCNA01.e2k.ad.ge.com>
References: <4870B51CA4084F9394D52E01EE4FDA2B@HAL9007>
	<93D10F008B998B4A83BCA855A33EEF372C7E5FC7@CINMBCNA01.e2k.ad.ge.com>
Message-ID: <2ADB85A42F0D4B66AD5516A9F53E0E3C@HAL9007>

Well, not good for customer relations.  Eventually, he disabled Norton
himself to get the file downloaded. I recommended Avast.  And Windows
Defender which has good ratings.  

But I find you have to be real careful about criticizing a customer's system
- they may take is personal.  

I sent a false detection report to Symantec - only took 2 minutes.  I expect
it'll be like dropping rocks into a deep pool - couple ripples then -
nothing.  We'll see what they come back with.

Rocky


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Benson, William
(GE Global Research, consultant)
Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 8:35 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Latest Outrage from Symantec

The key to your unhappiness:

"I'm not about to spend 4 minutes of my precious time on this earth trying
to please"


Sorry to say it. I'd spend the 4 minutes, or the 40 - and bill my client,
saying that it was done for their convenience. And if they didn't like it
they should switch to a non-Norton's product.



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 10:45 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Cc: 'Off Topic'
Subject: [AccessD] Latest Outrage from Symantec

So I uploaded the installable exe of my MRP system to a folder on my website
for a new customer to download - my standard procedure which has been
working well for many years.
 
He called a couple minutes ago saying Symantec had detected a virus.  Not
possible, of course.  I asked him what Symantec said and he said
WS.Reputation.1. 
 
I looked it up.  You won't believe this:
http://www.symantec.com/security_response/writeup.jsp?docid=2010-051308-1854
-99
 
Apparently, my 'reputation' with Symantec isn't good enough to pass their
gatekeeper.  The gatekeeper " uses "the wisdom of crowds" (Symantec's tens
of millions of end users) connected to cloud-based intelligence to compute a
reputation score for an application, and in the process identify malicious
software in an entirely new way beyond traditional signatures and
behavior-based detection techniques."
 
"Symantec's reputation technology system tracks the attributes of software
files (applications, drivers and DLLs) from multiple sources, including: 



*	Anonymous data contributed by tens of millions of Norton
<http://www.symantec.com/about/profile/policies/ncwprivacy.jsp> Community
Watch members
*	Anonymous data contributed by enterprise customers in a data
collection program tailored to large enterprises
*	Data provided by software publishers"

"The reputation-based system uses "the wisdom of crowds" (Symantec's tens of
millions of end users) connected to cloud-based intelligence to compute a
reputation score for an application, and in the process identify malicious
software in an entirely new way beyond traditional signatures and
behavior-based detection techniques. 

The system considers many aspects of a file, including file age, file
download source, digital signature, and file prevalence. These attributes
are combined using a proprietary algorithm to determine a file's safety
reputation. The system maintains a rating for all files rather than just
malicious files. Each software file is given a GOOD, BAD or SUSPICIOUS
rating. 

Symantec's reputation-based security engine continuously monitors all files
and over time a file's reputation may change."
 
Of course, since each exe file I send has the user's company name as part of
the file name, it will never have enough users to gain a 'reputation'.  
 
Of course there are detailed (not) instructions on the site for software
developers on which hoops to jump through in order to appease the Symantec
gatekeepers.  I'm not about to spend 4 minutes of my precious time on this
earth trying to please these blockheads.
 
In a stunning breakthrough defying all the laws of physics, Symantec has
devised a system that both sucks and blows at the same time.
 
Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
858-259-4334
www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> www.e-z-mrp.com
<http://www.e-z-mrp.com/>
Skype: rocky.smolin
 
 
 
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Mon Apr 16 10:49:55 2012
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 08:49:55 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Latest Outrage from Symantec
In-Reply-To: <78106D54B8644B52A3F1FC63E29465EF@XPS>
References: <4870B51CA4084F9394D52E01EE4FDA2B@HAL9007><93D10F008B998B4A83BCA855A33EEF372C7E5FC7@CINMBCNA01.e2k.ad.ge.com>
	<78106D54B8644B52A3F1FC63E29465EF@XPS>
Message-ID: <04B26F16910D46CC88003E8058259FE0@HAL9007>

Do you know how they got the virus?

R 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 8:43 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Latest Outrage from Symantec


 Problem is, the entire industry is heading towards reputation based
screening.  You can't keep up otherwise.

 I happen to clean-up a virus incident at one of my clients last week and as
part of that ran Spybot Search and Destroy; it's now up to 812,000 items it
checks for and the scan took almost an hour for the entire system.

Jim. 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Benson, William
(GE Global Research, consultant)
Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 11:35 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Latest Outrage from Symantec

The key to your unhappiness:

"I'm not about to spend 4 minutes of my precious time on this earth trying
to please"


Sorry to say it. I'd spend the 4 minutes, or the 40 - and bill my client,
saying that it was done for their convenience. And if they didn't like it
they should switch to a non-Norton's product.



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 10:45 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Cc: 'Off Topic'
Subject: [AccessD] Latest Outrage from Symantec

So I uploaded the installable exe of my MRP system to a folder on my website
for a new customer to download - my standard procedure which has been
working well for many years.
 
He called a couple minutes ago saying Symantec had detected a virus.  Not
possible, of course.  I asked him what Symantec said and he said
WS.Reputation.1. 
 
I looked it up.  You won't believe this:
http://www.symantec.com/security_response/writeup.jsp?docid=2010-051308-1854
-99
 
Apparently, my 'reputation' with Symantec isn't good enough to pass their
gatekeeper.  The gatekeeper " uses "the wisdom of crowds" (Symantec's tens
of millions of end users) connected to cloud-based intelligence to compute a
reputation score for an application, and in the process identify malicious
software in an entirely new way beyond traditional signatures and
behavior-based detection techniques."
 
"Symantec's reputation technology system tracks the attributes of software
files (applications, drivers and DLLs) from multiple sources, including: 



*	Anonymous data contributed by tens of millions of Norton
<http://www.symantec.com/about/profile/policies/ncwprivacy.jsp> Community
Watch members
*	Anonymous data contributed by enterprise customers in a data
collection program tailored to large enterprises
*	Data provided by software publishers"

"The reputation-based system uses "the wisdom of crowds" (Symantec's tens of
millions of end users) connected to cloud-based intelligence to compute a
reputation score for an application, and in the process identify malicious
software in an entirely new way beyond traditional signatures and
behavior-based detection techniques. 

The system considers many aspects of a file, including file age, file
download source, digital signature, and file prevalence. These attributes
are combined using a proprietary algorithm to determine a file's safety
reputation. The system maintains a rating for all files rather than just
malicious files. Each software file is given a GOOD, BAD or SUSPICIOUS
rating. 

Symantec's reputation-based security engine continuously monitors all files
and over time a file's reputation may change."
 
Of course, since each exe file I send has the user's company name as part of
the file name, it will never have enough users to gain a 'reputation'.  
 
Of course there are detailed (not) instructions on the site for software
developers on which hoops to jump through in order to appease the Symantec
gatekeepers.  I'm not about to spend 4 minutes of my precious time on this
earth trying to please these blockheads.
 
In a stunning breakthrough defying all the laws of physics, Symantec has
devised a system that both sucks and blows at the same time.
 
Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
858-259-4334
www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> www.e-z-mrp.com
<http://www.e-z-mrp.com/>
Skype: rocky.smolin
 
 
 
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From michael at mattysconsulting.com  Mon Apr 16 11:47:21 2012
From: michael at mattysconsulting.com (Michael Mattys)
Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 12:47:21 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] FW: The coming in-memory database tipping point. -
	SQL	Server Team Blog - Site Home - TechNet Blogs
In-Reply-To: <003f01cd1be6$c2482b30$46d88190$@mattysconsulting.com>
References: <4F8B8CF4.8030804@colbyconsulting.com>	<CAGuQ9V5N2wsc+vXEgwRQA==f2yqF1uQtVaV2c_RGvfNyiX7q2Q@mail.gmail.com>	<4F8C095D.1030306@colbyconsulting.com>
	<003f01cd1be6$c2482b30$46d88190$@mattysconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <004001cd1bf0$98a825f0$c9f871d0$@mattysconsulting.com>

In the Matrix, 1999, Morpheus says: 
If real is what you can feel, smell, taste and see, then 'real' is simply
electrical signals interpreted by your brain.
And, course, Agent Smith's speech about humans being a virus

Here's an interesting article: 'Evolution from a virus's view'
http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrary/news/071201_adenovirus

Michael R Mattys
Mattys Consulting, LLC
www.mattysconsulting.com


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Michael Mattys
Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 11:37 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] The coming in-memory database tipping point. - SQL
Server Team Blog - Site Home - TechNet Blogs

I agree with most everything you said.
It sounds as if you're making an argument for something, but it's hard to
tell.
Are you referring to (HGT) horizontal gene transfer, JC?

Michael R Mattys
Mattys Consulting, LLC
www.mattysconsulting.com


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 7:58 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] The coming in-memory database tipping point. - SQL
Server Team Blog - Site Home - TechNet Blogs

 > John your test for reality sounds good but is very hard to prove because
to do so I would have to stop believing in something that exists, with very
little positive feedback the meanwhile. Is there an easier test?

It has always amazed me how some people cling to the notion that their
belief somehow changes reality.  In fact there is an entire philosophy that
"I believe therefore I am".  In fact it is "I think, therefore I am" but
implicit in that statement is the belief that that statement (and the
self) is true.

The fact is that whether we believe or don't makes absolutely no difference
to reality.  Believe in the bus or not, it's gonna hurt if you step in front
of it.  Believe you can fly or not, you will reach the same terminal
velocity regardless (and make the same size splat).  ;)

I hear people say "I don't believe in God" as if that makes all the
difference in the world.  Or "I don't believe in evolution" as if that makes
those damned germs stop evolving to be drug resistant. 
  In fact it never ceases to amuse me when people profess to disbelieve in
evolution but then discuss with great gusto how household cleaners are
creating super germs.

Believe or don't believe, it makes no difference at all.  What it does
change is how you behave of course, which does impact the world around you,
but it makes no impact on the reality of what you believe or don't believe
in.

Believe or don't believe, makes no damned difference to me.  Or reality.

:)

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 4/16/2012 6:42 AM, William Benson wrote:
> John your test for reality sounds good but is very hard to prove 
> because to do so I would have to stop believing in something that 
> exists, with very little positive feedback the meanwhile. Is there an
easier test?
> On Apr 15, 2012 11:11 PM, "jwcolby"<jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>  wrote:
>
>>
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>>
>> Reality is what refuses to go away
>> when you do not believe in it
>> http://blogs.technet.com/b/**dataplatforminsider/archive/**
>> 2012/04/09/the-coming-in-**memory-database-tipping-point.**aspx<http:
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From jimdettman at verizon.net  Mon Apr 16 13:57:30 2012
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 14:57:30 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Latest Outrage from Symantec
In-Reply-To: <04B26F16910D46CC88003E8058259FE0@HAL9007>
References: <4870B51CA4084F9394D52E01EE4FDA2B@HAL9007><93D10F008B998B4A83BCA855A33EEF372C7E5FC7@CINMBCNA01.e2k.ad.ge.com>
	<78106D54B8644B52A3F1FC63E29465EF@XPS>
	<04B26F16910D46CC88003E8058259FE0@HAL9007>
Message-ID: <5154811FE9C34CF5A4CF638817915639@XPS>


 Not 100% sure.  If was mal-ware that came through a web site or spam e-mail
(the VP is worried about missing valid e-mail's, so all spam e-mail is let
through and simply tagged with "SPAM" in the subject line).  The DLL
involved was Consrv.dll

 After that, it started throwing up a bunch of "Critical - your hard disk
has failed.  Click here to repair" and despite *MANY* repeated warnings not
to click on anything like that, he clicked on it :(

 That installed a root kit and two different virus.  TDSKiller and Combofix
were the only things that would clean it out, but combofix's repair then
prevented Windows from booting.  The virus had hooked into one of the core
.DLL's used by Windows and there were just too many registry entries
involved to figure out what needed to be fixed. 

 Finally gave up and re-formatted the drive and re-installed everything.

 Nastiest piece of business I've run over in a while.  In fact it's the
first where I was forced to wipe the drive.

 Their getting better and better all the time.

Jim.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 11:50 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Latest Outrage from Symantec

Do you know how they got the virus?

R 

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 8:43 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Latest Outrage from Symantec


 Problem is, the entire industry is heading towards reputation based
screening.  You can't keep up otherwise.

 I happen to clean-up a virus incident at one of my clients last week and as
part of that ran Spybot Search and Destroy; it's now up to 812,000 items it
checks for and the scan took almost an hour for the entire system.

Jim. 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Benson, William
(GE Global Research, consultant)
Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 11:35 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Latest Outrage from Symantec

The key to your unhappiness:

"I'm not about to spend 4 minutes of my precious time on this earth trying
to please"


Sorry to say it. I'd spend the 4 minutes, or the 40 - and bill my client,
saying that it was done for their convenience. And if they didn't like it
they should switch to a non-Norton's product.



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 10:45 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Cc: 'Off Topic'
Subject: [AccessD] Latest Outrage from Symantec

So I uploaded the installable exe of my MRP system to a folder on my website
for a new customer to download - my standard procedure which has been
working well for many years.
 
He called a couple minutes ago saying Symantec had detected a virus.  Not
possible, of course.  I asked him what Symantec said and he said
WS.Reputation.1. 
 
I looked it up.  You won't believe this:
http://www.symantec.com/security_response/writeup.jsp?docid=2010-051308-1854
-99
 
Apparently, my 'reputation' with Symantec isn't good enough to pass their
gatekeeper.  The gatekeeper " uses "the wisdom of crowds" (Symantec's tens
of millions of end users) connected to cloud-based intelligence to compute a
reputation score for an application, and in the process identify malicious
software in an entirely new way beyond traditional signatures and
behavior-based detection techniques."
 
"Symantec's reputation technology system tracks the attributes of software
files (applications, drivers and DLLs) from multiple sources, including: 



*	Anonymous data contributed by tens of millions of Norton
<http://www.symantec.com/about/profile/policies/ncwprivacy.jsp> Community
Watch members
*	Anonymous data contributed by enterprise customers in a data
collection program tailored to large enterprises
*	Data provided by software publishers"

"The reputation-based system uses "the wisdom of crowds" (Symantec's tens of
millions of end users) connected to cloud-based intelligence to compute a
reputation score for an application, and in the process identify malicious
software in an entirely new way beyond traditional signatures and
behavior-based detection techniques. 

The system considers many aspects of a file, including file age, file
download source, digital signature, and file prevalence. These attributes
are combined using a proprietary algorithm to determine a file's safety
reputation. The system maintains a rating for all files rather than just
malicious files. Each software file is given a GOOD, BAD or SUSPICIOUS
rating. 

Symantec's reputation-based security engine continuously monitors all files
and over time a file's reputation may change."
 
Of course, since each exe file I send has the user's company name as part of
the file name, it will never have enough users to gain a 'reputation'.  
 
Of course there are detailed (not) instructions on the site for software
developers on which hoops to jump through in order to appease the Symantec
gatekeepers.  I'm not about to spend 4 minutes of my precious time on this
earth trying to please these blockheads.
 
In a stunning breakthrough defying all the laws of physics, Symantec has
devised a system that both sucks and blows at the same time.
 
Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
858-259-4334
www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> www.e-z-mrp.com
<http://www.e-z-mrp.com/>
Skype: rocky.smolin
 
 
 
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Mon Apr 16 14:36:02 2012
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 12:36:02 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Latest Outrage from Symantec
In-Reply-To: <5154811FE9C34CF5A4CF638817915639@XPS>
References: <4870B51CA4084F9394D52E01EE4FDA2B@HAL9007><93D10F008B998B4A83BCA855A33EEF372C7E5FC7@CINMBCNA01.e2k.ad.ge.com><78106D54B8644B52A3F1FC63E29465EF@XPS><04B26F16910D46CC88003E8058259FE0@HAL9007>
	<5154811FE9C34CF5A4CF638817915639@XPS>
Message-ID: <0CF9DDE0979A40CD931699DF53AA40CB@HAL9007>

Sounds like the Tech Support Full Employment Act of 2012. 

R


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 11:58 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Latest Outrage from Symantec


 Not 100% sure.  If was mal-ware that came through a web site or spam e-mail
(the VP is worried about missing valid e-mail's, so all spam e-mail is let
through and simply tagged with "SPAM" in the subject line).  The DLL
involved was Consrv.dll

 After that, it started throwing up a bunch of "Critical - your hard disk
has failed.  Click here to repair" and despite *MANY* repeated warnings not
to click on anything like that, he clicked on it :(

 That installed a root kit and two different virus.  TDSKiller and Combofix
were the only things that would clean it out, but combofix's repair then
prevented Windows from booting.  The virus had hooked into one of the core
.DLL's used by Windows and there were just too many registry entries
involved to figure out what needed to be fixed. 

 Finally gave up and re-formatted the drive and re-installed everything.

 Nastiest piece of business I've run over in a while.  In fact it's the
first where I was forced to wipe the drive.

 Their getting better and better all the time.

Jim.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 11:50 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Latest Outrage from Symantec

Do you know how they got the virus?

R 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 8:43 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Latest Outrage from Symantec


 Problem is, the entire industry is heading towards reputation based
screening.  You can't keep up otherwise.

 I happen to clean-up a virus incident at one of my clients last week and as
part of that ran Spybot Search and Destroy; it's now up to 812,000 items it
checks for and the scan took almost an hour for the entire system.

Jim. 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Benson, William
(GE Global Research, consultant)
Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 11:35 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Latest Outrage from Symantec

The key to your unhappiness:

"I'm not about to spend 4 minutes of my precious time on this earth trying
to please"


Sorry to say it. I'd spend the 4 minutes, or the 40 - and bill my client,
saying that it was done for their convenience. And if they didn't like it
they should switch to a non-Norton's product.



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 10:45 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Cc: 'Off Topic'
Subject: [AccessD] Latest Outrage from Symantec

So I uploaded the installable exe of my MRP system to a folder on my website
for a new customer to download - my standard procedure which has been
working well for many years.
 
He called a couple minutes ago saying Symantec had detected a virus.  Not
possible, of course.  I asked him what Symantec said and he said
WS.Reputation.1. 
 
I looked it up.  You won't believe this:
http://www.symantec.com/security_response/writeup.jsp?docid=2010-051308-1854
-99
 
Apparently, my 'reputation' with Symantec isn't good enough to pass their
gatekeeper.  The gatekeeper " uses "the wisdom of crowds" (Symantec's tens
of millions of end users) connected to cloud-based intelligence to compute a
reputation score for an application, and in the process identify malicious
software in an entirely new way beyond traditional signatures and
behavior-based detection techniques."
 
"Symantec's reputation technology system tracks the attributes of software
files (applications, drivers and DLLs) from multiple sources, including: 



*	Anonymous data contributed by tens of millions of Norton
<http://www.symantec.com/about/profile/policies/ncwprivacy.jsp> Community
Watch members
*	Anonymous data contributed by enterprise customers in a data
collection program tailored to large enterprises
*	Data provided by software publishers"

"The reputation-based system uses "the wisdom of crowds" (Symantec's tens of
millions of end users) connected to cloud-based intelligence to compute a
reputation score for an application, and in the process identify malicious
software in an entirely new way beyond traditional signatures and
behavior-based detection techniques. 

The system considers many aspects of a file, including file age, file
download source, digital signature, and file prevalence. These attributes
are combined using a proprietary algorithm to determine a file's safety
reputation. The system maintains a rating for all files rather than just
malicious files. Each software file is given a GOOD, BAD or SUSPICIOUS
rating. 

Symantec's reputation-based security engine continuously monitors all files
and over time a file's reputation may change."
 
Of course, since each exe file I send has the user's company name as part of
the file name, it will never have enough users to gain a 'reputation'.  
 
Of course there are detailed (not) instructions on the site for software
developers on which hoops to jump through in order to appease the Symantec
gatekeepers.  I'm not about to spend 4 minutes of my precious time on this
earth trying to please these blockheads.
 
In a stunning breakthrough defying all the laws of physics, Symantec has
devised a system that both sucks and blows at the same time.
 
Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
858-259-4334
www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> www.e-z-mrp.com
<http://www.e-z-mrp.com/>
Skype: rocky.smolin
 
 
 
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From marksimms at verizon.net  Mon Apr 16 14:58:23 2012
From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms)
Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 15:58:23 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Latest Outrage from Symantec
In-Reply-To: <2ADB85A42F0D4B66AD5516A9F53E0E3C@HAL9007>
References: <4870B51CA4084F9394D52E01EE4FDA2B@HAL9007>
	<93D10F008B998B4A83BCA855A33EEF372C7E5FC7@CINMBCNA01.e2k.ad.ge.com>
	<2ADB85A42F0D4B66AD5516A9F53E0E3C@HAL9007>
Message-ID: <001501cd1c0b$48a0fb20$d9e2f160$@net>

Emsisoft's THE BEST....PERIOD.
Tried them all.
It's: low CPU, not distracting, very effective, configurable.... even
reverts it's own false positives !!
(I love that feature)




From marksimms at verizon.net  Mon Apr 16 15:08:45 2012
From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms)
Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 16:08:45 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Latest Outrage from Symantec
In-Reply-To: <5154811FE9C34CF5A4CF638817915639@XPS>
References: <4870B51CA4084F9394D52E01EE4FDA2B@HAL9007><93D10F008B998B4A83BCA855A33EEF372C7E5FC7@CINMBCNA01.e2k.ad.ge.com>
	<78106D54B8644B52A3F1FC63E29465EF@XPS>
	<04B26F16910D46CC88003E8058259FE0@HAL9007>
	<5154811FE9C34CF5A4CF638817915639@XPS>
Message-ID: <005801cd1c0c$bc2bba20$34832e60$@net>

Registry back-ups are CRITICAL.




From john at winhaven.net  Mon Apr 16 15:22:33 2012
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 15:22:33 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Latest Outrage from Symantec
In-Reply-To: <0CF9DDE0979A40CD931699DF53AA40CB@HAL9007>
References: <4870B51CA4084F9394D52E01EE4FDA2B@HAL9007><93D10F008B998B4A83BCA855A33EEF372C7E5FC7@CINMBCNA01.e2k.ad.ge.com><78106D54B8644B52A3F1FC63E29465EF@XPS><04B26F16910D46CC88003E8058259FE0@HAL9007>	<5154811FE9C34CF5A4CF638817915639@XPS>
	<0CF9DDE0979A40CD931699DF53AA40CB@HAL9007>
Message-ID: <037901cd1c0e$c12cf000$4386d000$@winhaven.net>

Lol - thinking along the same lines

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 2:36 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Latest Outrage from Symantec

Sounds like the Tech Support Full Employment Act of 2012. 

R


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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 11:58 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Latest Outrage from Symantec


 Not 100% sure.  If was mal-ware that came through a web site or spam e-mail
(the VP is worried about missing valid e-mail's, so all spam e-mail is let
through and simply tagged with "SPAM" in the subject line).  The DLL
involved was Consrv.dll

 After that, it started throwing up a bunch of "Critical - your hard disk
has failed.  Click here to repair" and despite *MANY* repeated warnings not
to click on anything like that, he clicked on it :(

 That installed a root kit and two different virus.  TDSKiller and Combofix
were the only things that would clean it out, but combofix's repair then
prevented Windows from booting.  The virus had hooked into one of the core
.DLL's used by Windows and there were just too many registry entries
involved to figure out what needed to be fixed. 

 Finally gave up and re-formatted the drive and re-installed everything.

 Nastiest piece of business I've run over in a while.  In fact it's the
first where I was forced to wipe the drive.

 Their getting better and better all the time.

Jim.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 11:50 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Latest Outrage from Symantec

Do you know how they got the virus?

R 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 8:43 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Latest Outrage from Symantec


 Problem is, the entire industry is heading towards reputation based
screening.  You can't keep up otherwise.

 I happen to clean-up a virus incident at one of my clients last week and as
part of that ran Spybot Search and Destroy; it's now up to 812,000 items it
checks for and the scan took almost an hour for the entire system.

Jim. 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Benson, William
(GE Global Research, consultant)
Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 11:35 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Latest Outrage from Symantec

The key to your unhappiness:

"I'm not about to spend 4 minutes of my precious time on this earth trying
to please"


Sorry to say it. I'd spend the 4 minutes, or the 40 - and bill my client,
saying that it was done for their convenience. And if they didn't like it
they should switch to a non-Norton's product.



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 10:45 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Cc: 'Off Topic'
Subject: [AccessD] Latest Outrage from Symantec

So I uploaded the installable exe of my MRP system to a folder on my website
for a new customer to download - my standard procedure which has been
working well for many years.
 
He called a couple minutes ago saying Symantec had detected a virus.  Not
possible, of course.  I asked him what Symantec said and he said
WS.Reputation.1. 
 
I looked it up.  You won't believe this:
http://www.symantec.com/security_response/writeup.jsp?docid=2010-051308-1854
-99
 
Apparently, my 'reputation' with Symantec isn't good enough to pass their
gatekeeper.  The gatekeeper " uses "the wisdom of crowds" (Symantec's tens
of millions of end users) connected to cloud-based intelligence to compute a
reputation score for an application, and in the process identify malicious
software in an entirely new way beyond traditional signatures and
behavior-based detection techniques."
 
"Symantec's reputation technology system tracks the attributes of software
files (applications, drivers and DLLs) from multiple sources, including: 



*	Anonymous data contributed by tens of millions of Norton
<http://www.symantec.com/about/profile/policies/ncwprivacy.jsp> Community
Watch members
*	Anonymous data contributed by enterprise customers in a data
collection program tailored to large enterprises
*	Data provided by software publishers"

"The reputation-based system uses "the wisdom of crowds" (Symantec's tens of
millions of end users) connected to cloud-based intelligence to compute a
reputation score for an application, and in the process identify malicious
software in an entirely new way beyond traditional signatures and
behavior-based detection techniques. 

The system considers many aspects of a file, including file age, file
download source, digital signature, and file prevalence. These attributes
are combined using a proprietary algorithm to determine a file's safety
reputation. The system maintains a rating for all files rather than just
malicious files. Each software file is given a GOOD, BAD or SUSPICIOUS
rating. 

Symantec's reputation-based security engine continuously monitors all files
and over time a file's reputation may change."
 
Of course, since each exe file I send has the user's company name as part of
the file name, it will never have enough users to gain a 'reputation'.  
 
Of course there are detailed (not) instructions on the site for software
developers on which hoops to jump through in order to appease the Symantec
gatekeepers.  I'm not about to spend 4 minutes of my precious time on this
earth trying to please these blockheads.
 
In a stunning breakthrough defying all the laws of physics, Symantec has
devised a system that both sucks and blows at the same time.
 
Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
858-259-4334
www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> www.e-z-mrp.com
<http://www.e-z-mrp.com/>
Skype: rocky.smolin
 
 
 
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From jimdettman at verizon.net  Mon Apr 16 15:54:55 2012
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 16:54:55 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Latest Outrage from Symantec
In-Reply-To: <005801cd1c0c$bc2bba20$34832e60$@net>
References: <4870B51CA4084F9394D52E01EE4FDA2B@HAL9007><93D10F008B998B4A83BCA855A33EEF372C7E5FC7@CINMBCNA01.e2k.ad.ge.com>
	<78106D54B8644B52A3F1FC63E29465EF@XPS>
	<04B26F16910D46CC88003E8058259FE0@HAL9007>
	<5154811FE9C34CF5A4CF638817915639@XPS>
	<005801cd1c0c$bc2bba20$34832e60$@net>
Message-ID: <52B496398EBA4C0BBE164971EBA251D0@XPS>


 Problem was, it was more then just registry changes.  Any restore point I
went to yielded a system that quickly re-loaded the rootkit and the viruses
(with in a matter of minutes).

 If I ran TDSKiller and ComboFix, I got a clean system, but explorer.exe
would not work (nor any program) and if I restarted, I had an un-bootable
system.

 I might have had better luck with just restoring the registry rather then
using a restore point, but after fooling with it for almost seven hours, I
figured enough was enough and wiped it.

 Like I said, it was a real nasty piece of work.  Worst I've ever seen.

Jim.

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Simms
Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 04:09 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Latest Outrage from Symantec

Registry back-ups are CRITICAL.



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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Mon Apr 16 16:19:54 2012
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 14:19:54 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Mouse Cut and Paste Problem
Message-ID: <114F19823CAF4E37AD6D8D05C83DB167@HAL9007>

Dear Lists:
 
I have had two users report that they are not able to cut and paste with
their mouse.  These are two different applications, both 2003, one mdb, one
mde.  The mdb user reports being able to highlight text, go to the Edit
Menu, click Copy, go to another record, highlight the target field, click
Edit, click Paste and it works.  But he cannot highlight data in a field,
right click the mouse, select copy from the context menu because no context
menu pops up.  
 
It works in other applications (Excel, Word, etc.).  But not Access. 
 
Any idea what could be causing this?  As I have only heard this problem from
two people and, as it has always worked here, I think it must be something
particular to their system.  But what?
 
MTIA
 
Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
858-259-4334
www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> 
www.e-z-mrp.com <http://www.e-z-mrp.com/> 
Skype: rocky.smolin
 

From accessd at shaw.ca  Mon Apr 16 16:34:57 2012
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 14:34:57 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Latest Outrage from Symantec
In-Reply-To: <52B496398EBA4C0BBE164971EBA251D0@XPS>
References: <4870B51CA4084F9394D52E01EE4FDA2B@HAL9007><93D10F008B998B4A83BCA855A33EEF372C7E5FC7@CINMBCNA01.e2k.ad.ge.com><78106D54B8644B52A3F1FC63E29465EF@XPS><04B26F16910D46CC88003E8058259FE0@HAL9007><5154811FE9C34CF5A4CF638817915639@XPS><005801cd1c0c$bc2bba20$34832e60$@net>
	<52B496398EBA4C0BBE164971EBA251D0@XPS>
Message-ID: <D1FF056F66614E68B2D99E69937D94E6@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Just a quick one as I am sure you have followed all the processes.

Msconfig at run, list all services and startup and then check all paths.
Every app you find that is suspect rename but, and this the trick, create a
new empty file through notebook and save it with the same name and set it to
read only.

The standard process for starting a malware app, is to have a run in your
registry, stick a file with the name of a good file in the path and start a
service. All the above at the same time so if you miss any it will
automatically rebuild itself. Finally, there is a rootkit hack:
http://www.techsupportalert.com/best-free-rootkit-scanner-remover.htm

Here appears to be a good link on the process:
http://www.howtogeek.com/74523/how-to-disable-startup-programs-in-windows/

...but it is going to be a lot of grunt work. Done this more times than I
can remember especially when the scanners fail.

Other that that, image backup, (DriveImageXML my recommendation as it can do
a full shadow copy backup while the station is running (XP or newer)),
reformat, reinstall and bring back the data files you need from the image
backup. 

PS If you go the reformate route make sure you have a copy of the
motherboard drivers, from the MB supplier as MS has been a little slack in
updating same.

Jim

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 1:55 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Latest Outrage from Symantec


 Problem was, it was more then just registry changes.  Any restore point I
went to yielded a system that quickly re-loaded the rootkit and the viruses
(with in a matter of minutes).

 If I ran TDSKiller and ComboFix, I got a clean system, but explorer.exe
would not work (nor any program) and if I restarted, I had an un-bootable
system.

 I might have had better luck with just restoring the registry rather then
using a restore point, but after fooling with it for almost seven hours, I
figured enough was enough and wiped it.

 Like I said, it was a real nasty piece of work.  Worst I've ever seen.

Jim.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Simms
Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 04:09 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Latest Outrage from Symantec

Registry back-ups are CRITICAL.



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From accessd at shaw.ca  Mon Apr 16 16:47:50 2012
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 14:47:50 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Latest Outrage from Symantec
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	<D1FF056F66614E68B2D99E69937D94E6@creativesystemdesigns.com>
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I mean notepad... Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 2:35 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Latest Outrage from Symantec

Just a quick one as I am sure you have followed all the processes.

Msconfig at run, list all services and startup and then check all paths.
Every app you find that is suspect rename but, and this the trick, create a
new empty file through notebook and save it with the same name and set it to
read only.

The standard process for starting a malware app, is to have a run in your
registry, stick a file with the name of a good file in the path and start a
service. All the above at the same time so if you miss any it will
automatically rebuild itself. Finally, there is a rootkit hack:
http://www.techsupportalert.com/best-free-rootkit-scanner-remover.htm

Here appears to be a good link on the process:
http://www.howtogeek.com/74523/how-to-disable-startup-programs-in-windows/

...but it is going to be a lot of grunt work. Done this more times than I
can remember especially when the scanners fail.

Other that that, image backup, (DriveImageXML my recommendation as it can do
a full shadow copy backup while the station is running (XP or newer)),
reformat, reinstall and bring back the data files you need from the image
backup. 

PS If you go the reformate route make sure you have a copy of the
motherboard drivers, from the MB supplier as MS has been a little slack in
updating same.

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 1:55 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Latest Outrage from Symantec


 Problem was, it was more then just registry changes.  Any restore point I
went to yielded a system that quickly re-loaded the rootkit and the viruses
(with in a matter of minutes).

 If I ran TDSKiller and ComboFix, I got a clean system, but explorer.exe
would not work (nor any program) and if I restarted, I had an un-bootable
system.

 I might have had better luck with just restoring the registry rather then
using a restore point, but after fooling with it for almost seven hours, I
figured enough was enough and wiped it.

 Like I said, it was a real nasty piece of work.  Worst I've ever seen.

Jim.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Simms
Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 04:09 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Latest Outrage from Symantec

Registry back-ups are CRITICAL.



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From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au  Mon Apr 16 18:59:55 2012
From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins)
Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 23:59:55 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] The coming in-memory database tipping point. - SQL
 Server Team Blog - Site Home - TechNet Blogs
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"  In fact it never ceases to amuse me when people profess to disbelieve in evolution but then discuss with great gusto how household cleaners are creating super germs."

Priceless... Reminds me of a survey some folks did a while back in a supermarket asking shoppers how technology has improved/impacted their lives.   A rather large percentage of them said only a little or 'not at all'.  Yet these were folks who had trolleys full of refrigerated and frozen foods, food which is out of (local) season (or even local availability), food which is packaged, sealed and save to eat - all supplied daily and fresh via a global logics chain and industrial farming.  Not to mention the car the drove to the supermarket via a network of traffic controls et al...

I long ago realised that much of the population is stupid or at least unbelievable naive about how things actually function.

*shrugs*....  I have to agree with you.  Actually we already know this from Physics.  Newton's approach to time, space and gravity 'seems' right to us as it is so much more intuitive, and indeed even works - we still use it today, but Einstein showed it is flawed and reality is nothing like we 'believe' it to be.  



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Monday, 16 April 2012 9:58 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] The coming in-memory database tipping point. - SQL Server Team Blog - Site Home - TechNet Blogs

 > John your test for reality sounds good but is very hard to prove because to do so I would have to stop believing in something that exists, with very little positive feedback the meanwhile. Is there an easier test?

It has always amazed me how some people cling to the notion that their belief somehow changes reality.  In fact there is an entire philosophy that "I believe therefore I am".  In fact it is "I think, therefore I am" but implicit in that statement is the belief that that statement (and the
self) is true.

The fact is that whether we believe or don't makes absolutely no difference to reality.  Believe in the bus or not, it's gonna hurt if you step in front of it.  Believe you can fly or not, you will reach the same terminal velocity regardless (and make the same size splat).  ;)

I hear people say "I don't believe in God" as if that makes all the difference in the world.  Or "I don't believe in evolution" as if that makes those damned germs stop evolving to be drug resistant. 
  In fact it never ceases to amuse me when people profess to disbelieve in evolution but then discuss with great gusto how household cleaners are creating super germs.

Believe or don't believe, it makes no difference at all.  What it does change is how you behave of course, which does impact the world around you, but it makes no impact on the reality of what you believe or don't believe in.

Believe or don't believe, makes no damned difference to me.  Or reality.

:)

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 4/16/2012 6:42 AM, William Benson wrote:
> John your test for reality sounds good but is very hard to prove 
> because to do so I would have to stop believing in something that 
> exists, with very little positive feedback the meanwhile. Is there an easier test?
> On Apr 15, 2012 11:11 PM, "jwcolby"<jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>  wrote:
>
>>
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>>
>> Reality is what refuses to go away
>> when you do not believe in it
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Mon Apr 16 19:13:04 2012
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 10:13:04 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] The coming in-memory database tipping point. - SQL
	Server Team Blog - Site Home - TechNet Blogs
In-Reply-To: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B50D8E6956@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
References: <4F8B8CF4.8030804@colbyconsulting.com>,
	<4F8C095D.1030306@colbyconsulting.com>,
	<56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B50D8E6956@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <4F8CB590.18099.18E722ED@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

In this case, I don't think that "flawed" is the right word.  "Simplistic" would be better.

Newton's approach is a simplified model of reality,  which matches  observations  within 
certain constraints.   It is only beyond those constraints that newtonian laws break down.

Einsteins approach is a more complex model, which widens those constraints.  Current 
string/multiverse/brane approaches are more complex again and further widen those 
constraints.  

Each appears to be getting closer to reality, but whether we will ever get there is another 
matter.

-- 
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On 16 Apr 2012 at 23:59, Darryl Collins wrote:

> *shrugs*....  I have to agree with you.  Actually we already know this
> from Physics.  Newton's approach to time, space and gravity 'seems'
> right to us as it is so much more intuitive, and indeed even works -
> we still use it today, but Einstein showed it is flawed and reality is
> nothing like we 'believe' it to be.  
> 


From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au  Mon Apr 16 19:36:00 2012
From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins)
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 00:36:00 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] The coming in-memory database tipping point. -
	SQL	Server Team Blog - Site Home - TechNet Blogs
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References: <4F8B8CF4.8030804@colbyconsulting.com>,
	<4F8C095D.1030306@colbyconsulting.com>,
	<56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B50D8E6956@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
	<4F8CB590.18099.18E722ED@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
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Thanks Stuart, that is a much better way of putting it....

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Sent: Tuesday, 17 April 2012 10:13 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] The coming in-memory database tipping point. - SQL Server Team Blog - Site Home - TechNet Blogs

In this case, I don't think that "flawed" is the right word.  "Simplistic" would be better.

Newton's approach is a simplified model of reality,  which matches  observations  within 
certain constraints.   It is only beyond those constraints that newtonian laws break down.

Einsteins approach is a more complex model, which widens those constraints.  Current string/multiverse/brane approaches are more complex again and further widen those constraints.  

Each appears to be getting closer to reality, but whether we will ever get there is another matter.

--
Stuart 

On 16 Apr 2012 at 23:59, Darryl Collins wrote:

> *shrugs*....  I have to agree with you.  Actually we already know this 
> from Physics.  Newton's approach to time, space and gravity 'seems'
> right to us as it is so much more intuitive, and indeed even works - 
> we still use it today, but Einstein showed it is flawed and reality is 
> nothing like we 'believe' it to be.
> 

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From dw-murphy at cox.net  Mon Apr 16 22:31:27 2012
From: dw-murphy at cox.net (Doug Murphy)
Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 20:31:27 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] The microsoft access database engine can not open or
	write to the file
Message-ID: <006601cd1c4a$925c42d0$b714c870$@cox.net>

Folks,

I have an application that was developed in Access 2002 that has been running as a runtime in that environment for years. One function in the application is an import data from excel files. The method I use is to create a querydef that attaches to the file and allows me to open it. In the routine the user uses a file selection dialog to select the file and then the existing querydef is deleted and the new one is created with the file name and path. I then run code against the query which has always worked.

I opened the application in Access 2010 and the functionality failed. In stepping through the code I delete the old querydef, create the new one and then run a dCount against it to get a record count. The DCount call generates the error message:

'I:\Access Work\AUGSD Presentations\Excel Import\VendorsList3.xls'. It is already
 opened exclusively by another user, or you need permission to view and write its
 data. at Line Number = 0? in procedure FillTable of VBA Document
 Form_frmImportVendorExcel2

While the code is running in debug mode I get a similar message if I try to open the new querydef from the query window. After I step out of the code the query opens fine. Any suggestions on how to release whatever seems to have exclusive control of the query? The code that does the above work follows:

      With CurrentDb
        .QueryDefs.Delete CurrentDb.QueryDefs("qryVendorExcelImportAttachToExcel").Name
        Me.subCtlDisplay.Requery
        sSQLExcel = "SELECT " & sSheetName & ".*,* FROM " & sSheetName & " IN '" & sPath & "'[Excel 8.0;];"
        Set qdfTemp = .CreateQueryDef("qryVendorExcelImportAttachToExcel", sSQLExcel)
        .Close
      End With

Any insight into this problem is appreciated.

Doug



From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au  Mon Apr 16 22:58:54 2012
From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins)
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 03:58:54 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] The microsoft access database engine can not open
	or	write to the file
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Doug,

First thing I would check is the trust centre and check you have the permissions correct.  Access 2010 is very touchy about these details.  I would check it for both Access and Excel and ensure you have full permission access to the folders where the database is saved.

Cheers
Darryl.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Doug Murphy
Sent: Tuesday, 17 April 2012 1:31 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] The microsoft access database engine can not open or write to the file

Folks,

I have an application that was developed in Access 2002 that has been running as a runtime in that environment for years. One function in the application is an import data from excel files. The method I use is to create a querydef that attaches to the file and allows me to open it. In the routine the user uses a file selection dialog to select the file and then the existing querydef is deleted and the new one is created with the file name and path. I then run code against the query which has always worked.


I opened the application in Access 2010 and the functionality failed. In stepping through the code I delete the old querydef, create the new one and then run a dCount against it to get a record count. The DCount call generates the error message:

'I:\Access Work\AUGSD Presentations\Excel Import\VendorsList3.xls'. It is already  opened exclusively by another user, or you need permission to view and write its  data. at Line Number = 0? in procedure FillTable of VBA Document
 Form_frmImportVendorExcel2

While the code is running in debug mode I get a similar message if I try to open the new querydef from the query window. After I step out of the code the query opens fine. Any suggestions on how to release whatever seems to have exclusive control of the query? The code that does the above work follows:

      With CurrentDb
        .QueryDefs.Delete CurrentDb.QueryDefs("qryVendorExcelImportAttachToExcel").Name
        Me.subCtlDisplay.Requery
        sSQLExcel = "SELECT " & sSheetName & ".*,* FROM " & sSheetName & " IN '" & sPath & "'[Excel 8.0;];"
        Set qdfTemp = .CreateQueryDef("qryVendorExcelImportAttachToExcel", sSQLExcel)
        .Close
      End With

Any insight into this problem is appreciated.

Doug


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From john at winhaven.net  Mon Apr 16 23:03:28 2012
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 23:03:28 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Latest Outrage from Symantec
In-Reply-To: <52B496398EBA4C0BBE164971EBA251D0@XPS>
References: <4870B51CA4084F9394D52E01EE4FDA2B@HAL9007><93D10F008B998B4A83BCA855A33EEF372C7E5FC7@CINMBCNA01.e2k.ad.ge.com>	<78106D54B8644B52A3F1FC63E29465EF@XPS>	<04B26F16910D46CC88003E8058259FE0@HAL9007>	<5154811FE9C34CF5A4CF638817915639@XPS>	<005801cd1c0c$bc2bba20$34832e60$@net>
	<52B496398EBA4C0BBE164971EBA251D0@XPS>
Message-ID: <01e501cd1c4f$0b9ec100$22dc4300$@winhaven.net>

Another approach is to either:
-boot an OS from a CD or USB drive
-mount the HD to another PC
Then clean it without running the HD's OS

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 3:55 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Latest Outrage from Symantec


 Problem was, it was more then just registry changes.  Any restore point I
went to yielded a system that quickly re-loaded the rootkit and the viruses
(with in a matter of minutes).

 If I ran TDSKiller and ComboFix, I got a clean system, but explorer.exe
would not work (nor any program) and if I restarted, I had an un-bootable
system.

 I might have had better luck with just restoring the registry rather then
using a restore point, but after fooling with it for almost seven hours, I
figured enough was enough and wiped it.

 Like I said, it was a real nasty piece of work.  Worst I've ever seen.

Jim.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Simms
Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 04:09 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Latest Outrage from Symantec

Registry back-ups are CRITICAL.



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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Mon Apr 16 23:03:51 2012
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 14:03:51 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] The microsoft access database engine can not open or
	write to the file
In-Reply-To: <006601cd1c4a$925c42d0$b714c870$@cox.net>
References: <006601cd1c4a$925c42d0$b714c870$@cox.net>
Message-ID: <4F8CEBA7.18226.19BA6DD6@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

What is the recordsource of  Me.subCtlDisplay ?

Failing code not shown.
What is the complete FillTable Proc up and including the DCount line?

-- 
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On 16 Apr 2012 at 20:31, Doug Murphy wrote:

> I opened the application in Access 2010 and the functionality failed.
> In stepping through the code I delete the old querydef, create the new
> one and then run a dCount against it to get a record count. The DCount
> call generates the error message: 
> 
> 'I:\Access Work\AUGSD Presentations\Excel Import\VendorsList3.xls'. It is already
>  opened exclusively by another user, or you need permission to view and write its
>  data. at Line Number = 0 in procedure FillTable of VBA Document
>  Form_frmImportVendorExcel2
> 
> While the code is running in debug mode I get a similar message if I try to open the new querydef from the query window. After I step out of the code the query opens fine. Any suggestions on how to release whatever seems to have exclusive control of the query? The code that does the above work follows:
> 
>       With CurrentDb
>         .QueryDefs.Delete CurrentDb.QueryDefs("qryVendorExcelImportAttachToExcel").Name
>         Me.subCtlDisplay.Requery
>         sSQLExcel = "SELECT " & sSheetName & ".*,* FROM " & sSheetName & " IN '" & sPath & "'[Excel 8.0;];"
>         Set qdfTemp = .CreateQueryDef("qryVendorExcelImportAttachToExcel", sSQLExcel)
>         .Close
>       End With
> 
> Any insight into this problem is appreciated.
> 
> Doug
> 
> 
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Mon Apr 16 23:05:52 2012
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 14:05:52 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] The microsoft access database engine can not open or
	write to the file
In-Reply-To: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B50D8E6B63@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
References: <006601cd1c4a$925c42d0$b714c870$@cox.net>,
	<56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B50D8E6B63@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <4F8CEC20.18798.19BC4550@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

I doubt that is the problem since Doug said "After I step out of the code the query opens fine." 

-- 
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On 17 Apr 2012 at 3:58, Darryl Collins wrote:

> Doug,
> 
> First thing I would check is the trust centre and check you have the
> permissions correct.  Access 2010 is very touchy about these details. 
> I would check it for both Access and Excel and ensure you have full
> permission access to the folders where the database is saved. 
> 
> Cheers
> Darryl.
> 


From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Mon Apr 16 23:10:14 2012
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 14:10:14 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Latest Outrage from Symantec
In-Reply-To: <01e501cd1c4f$0b9ec100$22dc4300$@winhaven.net>
References: <4870B51CA4084F9394D52E01EE4FDA2B@HAL9007>,
	<52B496398EBA4C0BBE164971EBA251D0@XPS>,
	<01e501cd1c4f$0b9ec100$22dc4300$@winhaven.net>
Message-ID: <4F8CED26.5701.19C04782@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

That doesn't solve the problem if system DLLs are infected and removed by the cleaning 
process.  You will still end up with an unbootable system.

Although it is possible that a subsequent "system repair"  would replace the lost files.



On 16 Apr 2012 at 23:03, John Bartow wrote:

> Another approach is to either:
> -boot an OS from a CD or USB drive
> -mount the HD to another PC
> Then clean it without running the HD's OS
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
> Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 3:55 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Latest Outrage from Symantec
> 
> 
>  Problem was, it was more then just registry changes.  Any restore point I
> went to yielded a system that quickly re-loaded the rootkit and the viruses
> (with in a matter of minutes).
> 
>  If I ran TDSKiller and ComboFix, I got a clean system, but explorer.exe
> would not work (nor any program) and if I restarted, I had an un-bootable
> system.
> 
>  I might have had better luck with just restoring the registry rather then
> using a restore point, but after fooling with it for almost seven hours, I
> figured enough was enough and wiped it.
> 
>  Like I said, it was a real nasty piece of work.  Worst I've ever seen.
> 
> Jim.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Simms
> Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 04:09 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Latest Outrage from Symantec
> 
> Registry back-ups are CRITICAL.
> 
> 
> 
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> 
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From charlotte.foust at gmail.com  Mon Apr 16 23:13:31 2012
From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 21:13:31 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Latest Outrage from Symantec
In-Reply-To: <00d301cd1be5$29982530$7cc86f90$@net>
References: <4870B51CA4084F9394D52E01EE4FDA2B@HAL9007>
	<00d301cd1be5$29982530$7cc86f90$@net>
Message-ID: <CAH+Met9_8KRcGh2h1Fyr+V=OQkv1T7fBUnDWrZmp7zVLh-GbPw@mail.gmail.com>

Hey!  I'm from California, and I'm positive positive!!

Charlotte

On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 8:25 AM, Mark Simms <marksimms at verizon.net> wrote:

> Stupid. Just another dumb technical idea that generates FALSE POSITIVES.
> Oh, wait..they're excused: they're from California.
>
>
>
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>
>

From Benson at ge.com  Mon Apr 16 23:47:32 2012
From: Benson at ge.com (Benson, William (GE Global Research, consultant))
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 04:47:32 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] The coming in-memory database tipping point.
	-	SQL	Server Team Blog - Site Home - TechNet Blogs
In-Reply-To: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B50D8E69A0@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
References: <4F8B8CF4.8030804@colbyconsulting.com>,
	<4F8C095D.1030306@colbyconsulting.com>,
	<56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B50D8E6956@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
	<4F8CB590.18099.18E722ED@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B50D8E69A0@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <93D10F008B998B4A83BCA855A33EEF372C7E6224@CINMBCNA01.e2k.ad.ge.com>

I disagree that "simplistic" is more appropriate than "flawed." I quite agree with the way Darryl originally put it. Where does simplistic begin or end? It is such a relative term! Flawed, however, is self-evident. It's not accurate, so it is flawed.

Newton wrote out some good estimations - the "Law" of Universal Gravitation being one such. However, it precludes the Big Bang insofar as, if all matter were to have come into this universe from a singularity, then the distance between all mass would be zero at such time, making gravitation infinite and therefore gravitational force infinite - precluding the universe's expansion. Not that I am any expert on this, it's just my opinion. I do feel I am quoting someone notable, though I don't recall who they were, when I say each new generation of scientists says "yesterday we thought, today we know". 

I entertain in my imagination, the notion that a super-race of men has existed in the past. Of course I know it is fantasy, and yet ... what if there were such a people... DNA-wise, perfect. No wars, disease, famine... living a hundred years or longer; using 100% of their brains, having perfect visual and auditory memories (some people have these even today). And telepathic! Imagine the institutional memory which could have become established over a thousand or more years. Until some previously un-encountered pestilence came along, introducing a disease that diminished their mental prowess. Throw in a cataclysm or three, causing food shortages and leading to war - and the effort of one society to bury the achievements of another... along the lines of the sacking of the Library at Alexandria, only worse - heck, maybe man's "forgotten" more than he will ever again know about how the universe is put together.




From BradM at blackforestltd.com  Tue Apr 17 06:58:59 2012
From: BradM at blackforestltd.com (Brad Marks)
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 06:58:59 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] How to Show a Specific Report at Initiation Time (When
	there is also a default form)
References: <4F8B8CF4.8030804@colbyconsulting.com><CAGuQ9V5N2wsc+vXEgwRQA==f2yqF1uQtVaV2c_RGvfNyiX7q2Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<4F8C095D.1030306@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C59FEB14@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>

All,

We have an Access 2007 application that is used  by a number of people.

The form that is automatically opened for this ap is a type of report menu.

Recently a key player has asked that when the application is opened, he would like to see one report automatically shown on the screen (without needing to push any button or select any tab).

Is there a way to have a default form, and yet open a report and give it the focus.

I know how to discern the user-id, that it not a problem.

The problem is that if I open up the report on the Form Load Event, the report is opened, but only a tab is shown for the report, and the report itself is not visible as it is covered by the default form.

I thought that this would be easy to do .  I must be missing something.

Thanks,
Brad

     



From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue Apr 17 07:52:33 2012
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 08:52:33 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] The coming in-memory database tipping point. - SQL
 Server Team Blog - Site Home - TechNet Blogs
In-Reply-To: <003f01cd1be6$c2482b30$46d88190$@mattysconsulting.com>
References: <4F8B8CF4.8030804@colbyconsulting.com>	<CAGuQ9V5N2wsc+vXEgwRQA==f2yqF1uQtVaV2c_RGvfNyiX7q2Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<4F8C095D.1030306@colbyconsulting.com>
	<003f01cd1be6$c2482b30$46d88190$@mattysconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <4F8D6791.70009@colbyconsulting.com>

 > Are you referring to (HGT) horizontal gene transfer, JC?

ROTFL.

Is this another word for *sex*?

I like it.  My GF and I had an HGT session last night.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 4/16/2012 11:36 AM, Michael Mattys wrote:
> I agree with most everything you said.
> It sounds as if you're making an argument for something, but it's hard to
> tell.
> Are you referring to (HGT) horizontal gene transfer, JC?
>
> Michael R Mattys
> Mattys Consulting, LLC
> www.mattysconsulting.com
>
>


From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue Apr 17 07:55:28 2012
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 08:55:28 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] FW: The coming in-memory database tipping point. -
 SQL	Server Team Blog - Site Home - TechNet Blogs
In-Reply-To: <004001cd1bf0$98a825f0$c9f871d0$@mattysconsulting.com>
References: <4F8B8CF4.8030804@colbyconsulting.com>	<CAGuQ9V5N2wsc+vXEgwRQA==f2yqF1uQtVaV2c_RGvfNyiX7q2Q@mail.gmail.com>	<4F8C095D.1030306@colbyconsulting.com>
	<003f01cd1be6$c2482b30$46d88190$@mattysconsulting.com>
	<004001cd1bf0$98a825f0$c9f871d0$@mattysconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <4F8D6840.1080306@colbyconsulting.com>

I have long maintained that from the Earth's perspective, Humanity is an enormously damaging 
"infection".

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 4/16/2012 12:47 PM, Michael Mattys wrote:
> In the Matrix, 1999, Morpheus says:
> If real is what you can feel, smell, taste and see, then 'real' is simply
> electrical signals interpreted by your brain.
> And, course, Agent Smith's speech about humans being a virus
>
> Here's an interesting article: 'Evolution from a virus's view'
> http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrary/news/071201_adenovirus
>
> Michael R Mattys
> Mattys Consulting, LLC
> www.mattysconsulting.com


From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue Apr 17 08:01:33 2012
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 09:01:33 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] FW: The coming in-memory database tipping point. -
 SQL	Server Team Blog - Site Home - TechNet Blogs
In-Reply-To: <004001cd1bf0$98a825f0$c9f871d0$@mattysconsulting.com>
References: <4F8B8CF4.8030804@colbyconsulting.com>	<CAGuQ9V5N2wsc+vXEgwRQA==f2yqF1uQtVaV2c_RGvfNyiX7q2Q@mail.gmail.com>	<4F8C095D.1030306@colbyconsulting.com>
	<003f01cd1be6$c2482b30$46d88190$@mattysconsulting.com>
	<004001cd1bf0$98a825f0$c9f871d0$@mattysconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <4F8D69AD.1020204@colbyconsulting.com>

Interesting article BTW.  Quite obvious once digested.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 4/16/2012 12:47 PM, Michael Mattys wrote:
> In the Matrix, 1999, Morpheus says:
> If real is what you can feel, smell, taste and see, then 'real' is simply
> electrical signals interpreted by your brain.
> And, course, Agent Smith's speech about humans being a virus
>
> Here's an interesting article: 'Evolution from a virus's view'
> http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrary/news/071201_adenovirus
>
> Michael R Mattys
> Mattys Consulting, LLC
> www.mattysconsulting.com


From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue Apr 17 08:07:16 2012
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 09:07:16 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Latest Outrage from Symantec
In-Reply-To: <CAH+Met9_8KRcGh2h1Fyr+V=OQkv1T7fBUnDWrZmp7zVLh-GbPw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4870B51CA4084F9394D52E01EE4FDA2B@HAL9007>
	<00d301cd1be5$29982530$7cc86f90$@net>
	<CAH+Met9_8KRcGh2h1Fyr+V=OQkv1T7fBUnDWrZmp7zVLh-GbPw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4F8D6B04.1070501@colbyconsulting.com>

Please tell me that two positives do *not* make a negative!  ;)

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 4/17/2012 12:13 AM, Charlotte Foust wrote:
> Hey!  I'm from California, and I'm positive positive!!
>
> Charlotte
>
> On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 8:25 AM, Mark Simms<marksimms at verizon.net>  wrote:
>
>> Stupid. Just another dumb technical idea that generates FALSE POSITIVES.
>> Oh, wait..they're excused: they're from California.
>>
>>
>>
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>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>>
>>
>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>
>>
>>


From michael at mattysconsulting.com  Tue Apr 17 08:49:48 2012
From: michael at mattysconsulting.com (Michael Mattys)
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 09:49:48 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] FW: The coming in-memory database tipping point. -
	SQL	Server Team Blog - Site Home - TechNet Blogs
In-Reply-To: <4F8D69AD.1020204@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4F8B8CF4.8030804@colbyconsulting.com>	<CAGuQ9V5N2wsc+vXEgwRQA==f2yqF1uQtVaV2c_RGvfNyiX7q2Q@mail.gmail.com>	<4F8C095D.1030306@colbyconsulting.com>	<003f01cd1be6$c2482b30$46d88190$@mattysconsulting.com>	<004001cd1bf0$98a825f0$c9f871d0$@mattysconsulting.com>
	<4F8D69AD.1020204@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <00a601cd1ca0$f53eefa0$dfbccee0$@mattysconsulting.com>

Viruses, however, are not living entities; they do not have life.
Neither do we for that matter, we have temporary chemical existence based
upon life.
Neither 'germs' nor viruses 'evolve,' they mutate and adapt in programmatic
precision. 
Evolution promises to give all desirable traits, then doesn't deliver.

Michael R Mattys
Mattys Consulting, LLC
www.mattysconsulting.com


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 9:02 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] FW: The coming in-memory database tipping point. -
SQL Server Team Blog - Site Home - TechNet Blogs

Interesting article BTW.  Quite obvious once digested.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 4/16/2012 12:47 PM, Michael Mattys wrote:
> In the Matrix, 1999, Morpheus says:
> If real is what you can feel, smell, taste and see, then 'real' is 
> simply electrical signals interpreted by your brain.
> And, course, Agent Smith's speech about humans being a virus
>
> Here's an interesting article: 'Evolution from a virus's view'
> http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrary/news/071201_adenovirus
>
> Michael R Mattys
> Mattys Consulting, LLC
> www.mattysconsulting.com

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From Benson at ge.com  Tue Apr 17 09:10:33 2012
From: Benson at ge.com (Benson, William (GE Global Research, consultant))
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 14:10:33 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] FW: The coming in-memory database tipping point. -
 SQL	Server Team Blog - Site Home - TechNet Blogs
In-Reply-To: <4F8D6840.1080306@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4F8B8CF4.8030804@colbyconsulting.com>
	<CAGuQ9V5N2wsc+vXEgwRQA==f2yqF1uQtVaV2c_RGvfNyiX7q2Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<4F8C095D.1030306@colbyconsulting.com>
	<003f01cd1be6$c2482b30$46d88190$@mattysconsulting.com>
	<004001cd1bf0$98a825f0$c9f871d0$@mattysconsulting.com>
	<4F8D6840.1080306@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <93D10F008B998B4A83BCA855A33EEF372C7E62FA@CINMBCNA01.e2k.ad.ge.com>

Seriously? Inhumanity maybe.

Humanity has tremendous capacity to understand, to conserve and to improve the earth - just fails to take the right actions.

Avarice, Ignorance, Malice, Indolence, etc... whatever the 7 deadly sins are... do not define humanity in its natural state, but rather in its diseased state.

We were not put on earth to be a disease to it, but to tend it as a garden, to replenish it, to care for it - and within it we should also be able to find all our needs met.

Still time, but I agree it is running out.


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 8:55 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] FW: The coming in-memory database tipping point. - SQL Server Team Blog - Site Home - TechNet Blogs

I have long maintained that from the Earth's perspective, Humanity is an enormously damaging "infection".

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 4/16/2012 12:47 PM, Michael Mattys wrote:
> In the Matrix, 1999, Morpheus says:
> If real is what you can feel, smell, taste and see, then 'real' is 
> simply electrical signals interpreted by your brain.
> And, course, Agent Smith's speech about humans being a virus
>
> Here's an interesting article: 'Evolution from a virus's view'
> http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrary/news/071201_adenovirus
>
> Michael R Mattys
> Mattys Consulting, LLC
> www.mattysconsulting.com

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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Tue Apr 17 09:45:30 2012
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 07:45:30 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] FW: 2751574: Submission to Symantec Insight Dispute
	Submission form - DO NOT REPLY
Message-ID: <BD1C7D22E9F141BB9379B008C6F32756@HAL9007>

Symantec now thinks I'm OK thanks to the client who sent in the report.  I
am truly blessed :(
 
Rocky
 

  _____  

From: 
 Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 5:33 AM
To: rockysmolin at bchacc.com
Subject: Fwd: 2751574: Submission to Symantec Insight Dispute Submission
form - DO NOT REPLY





Begin forwarded message:



From: FalsePositives at symantec.com
Date: April 17, 2012 6:50:20 AM EDT
To: 
Subject: 2751574: Submission to Symantec Insight Dispute Submission form -
DO NOT REPLY



The Symantec Insight Dispute team has reviewed your recent submission to the
Insight Dispute Submission form Webpage form "e-z-mrp." In light of further
investigation and analysis Symantec is happy to remove this detection from
within its products. Please ensure that your machine reflects the change by
running LiveUpdate. 

Decisions made by Symantec are subject to change if alterations to the
Software are made over time or as classification criteria and/or the policy
employed by Symantec changes over time to address the evolving landscape.


Sincerely,

Symantec Insight Dispute Team

This message (including any attachments) is intended only for the use of the
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Tue Apr 17 10:30:50 2012
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 08:30:50 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Latest Outrage from Symantec
In-Reply-To: <4F8D6B04.1070501@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4870B51CA4084F9394D52E01EE4FDA2B@HAL9007><00d301cd1be5$29982530$7cc86f90$@net><CAH+Met9_8KRcGh2h1Fyr+V=OQkv1T7fBUnDWrZmp7zVLh-GbPw@mail.gmail.com>
	<4F8D6B04.1070501@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <948F832B6C49485FB4A55DCFDFE3B104@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Yeah, right...

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 6:07 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Latest Outrage from Symantec

Please tell me that two positives do *not* make a negative!  ;)

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 4/17/2012 12:13 AM, Charlotte Foust wrote:
> Hey!  I'm from California, and I'm positive positive!!
>
> Charlotte
>
> On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 8:25 AM, Mark Simms<marksimms at verizon.net>  wrote:
>
>> Stupid. Just another dumb technical idea that generates FALSE POSITIVES.
>> Oh, wait..they're excused: they're from California.
>>
>>
>>
>> --
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>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>>
>>
>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>
>>
>>

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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Tue Apr 17 10:31:03 2012
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 08:31:03 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] How to Show a Specific Report at Initiation Time
	(Whenthere is also a default form)
In-Reply-To: <E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C59FEB14@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
References: <4F8B8CF4.8030804@colbyconsulting.com><CAGuQ9V5N2wsc+vXEgwRQA==f2yqF1uQtVaV2c_RGvfNyiX7q2Q@mail.gmail.com><4F8C095D.1030306@colbyconsulting.com>
	<E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C59FEB14@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
Message-ID: <AA2A3055CF80474ABA43287922A85224@HAL9007>

You have an startup form, yes?  So can you put DoCmd.OpenReport in the _open
event of that form?

Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
858-259-4334
www.bchacc.com
www.e-z-mrp.com
Skype: rocky.smolin
 


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brad Marks
Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 4:59 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] How to Show a Specific Report at Initiation Time
(Whenthere is also a default form)

All,

We have an Access 2007 application that is used  by a number of people.

The form that is automatically opened for this ap is a type of report menu.

Recently a key player has asked that when the application is opened, he
would like to see one report automatically shown on the screen (without
needing to push any button or select any tab).

Is there a way to have a default form, and yet open a report and give it the
focus.

I know how to discern the user-id, that it not a problem.

The problem is that if I open up the report on the Form Load Event, the
report is opened, but only a tab is shown for the report, and the report
itself is not visible as it is covered by the default form.

I thought that this would be easy to do .  I must be missing something.

Thanks,
Brad

     




From accessd at shaw.ca  Tue Apr 17 10:33:05 2012
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 08:33:05 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] FW: The coming in-memory database tipping point. -
	SQL	Server Team Blog - Site Home - TechNet Blogs
In-Reply-To: <93D10F008B998B4A83BCA855A33EEF372C7E62FA@CINMBCNA01.e2k.ad.ge.com>
References: <4F8B8CF4.8030804@colbyconsulting.com><CAGuQ9V5N2wsc+vXEgwRQA==f2yqF1uQtVaV2c_RGvfNyiX7q2Q@mail.gmail.com><4F8C095D.1030306@colbyconsulting.com><003f01cd1be6$c2482b30$46d88190$@mattysconsulting.com><004001cd1bf0$98a825f0$c9f871d0$@mattysconsulting.com><4F8D6840.1080306@colbyconsulting.com>
	<93D10F008B998B4A83BCA855A33EEF372C7E62FA@CINMBCNA01.e2k.ad.ge.com>
Message-ID: <3940A7EF1F41486CBCB548CC4993BCD2@creativesystemdesigns.com>

I think those words are well said.

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Benson, William
(GE Global Research, consultant)
Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 7:11 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] FW: The coming in-memory database tipping point. -
SQL Server Team Blog - Site Home - TechNet Blogs

Seriously? Inhumanity maybe.

Humanity has tremendous capacity to understand, to conserve and to improve
the earth - just fails to take the right actions.

Avarice, Ignorance, Malice, Indolence, etc... whatever the 7 deadly sins
are... do not define humanity in its natural state, but rather in its
diseased state.

We were not put on earth to be a disease to it, but to tend it as a garden,
to replenish it, to care for it - and within it we should also be able to
find all our needs met.

Still time, but I agree it is running out.


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 8:55 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] FW: The coming in-memory database tipping point. -
SQL Server Team Blog - Site Home - TechNet Blogs

I have long maintained that from the Earth's perspective, Humanity is an
enormously damaging "infection".

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 4/16/2012 12:47 PM, Michael Mattys wrote:
> In the Matrix, 1999, Morpheus says:
> If real is what you can feel, smell, taste and see, then 'real' is 
> simply electrical signals interpreted by your brain.
> And, course, Agent Smith's speech about humans being a virus
>
> Here's an interesting article: 'Evolution from a virus's view'
> http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrary/news/071201_adenovirus
>
> Michael R Mattys
> Mattys Consulting, LLC
> www.mattysconsulting.com

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From accessd at shaw.ca  Tue Apr 17 10:34:18 2012
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 08:34:18 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] FW: 2751574: Submission to Symantec Insight
	DisputeSubmission form - DO NOT REPLY
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Well at least Symantecs is inconsistant. 

Jim

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 7:46 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'; 'Off Topic'
Subject: [AccessD] FW: 2751574: Submission to Symantec Insight
DisputeSubmission form - DO NOT REPLY

Symantec now thinks I'm OK thanks to the client who sent in the report.  I
am truly blessed :(
 
Rocky
 

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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Tue Apr 17 10:36:09 2012
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 08:36:09 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] FW: Dispute Submission [2751567]
Message-ID: <E3E510FB94A94FEF8D8C28D51832EDB6@HAL9007>

They're happy - happy to remove this detection from their system.  I'm so
pleased (rolls eyes).

Rocky


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From BradM at blackforestltd.com  Tue Apr 17 10:35:17 2012
From: BradM at blackforestltd.com (Brad Marks)
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 10:35:17 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] How to Show a Specific Report at Initiation
	Time(Whenthere is also a default form)
References: <4F8B8CF4.8030804@colbyconsulting.com><CAGuQ9V5N2wsc+vXEgwRQA==f2yqF1uQtVaV2c_RGvfNyiX7q2Q@mail.gmail.com><4F8C095D.1030306@colbyconsulting.com><E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C59FEB14@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
	<AA2A3055CF80474ABA43287922A85224@HAL9007>
Message-ID: <E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C501566D99@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>

Rocky,

Thanks for the help.

The catch is that when I put the DoCmd.OpenReport in the open event of
the startup form, the report is indeed opened, but it is not visible as
it sit "behind" the form.

The Report Tab is visible, the user request is to have the actual report
fully visible on the screen (they don't want to push the TAB).

Is there some way to shift things so that the Report is shown and the
Form sits behind it?


Brad 




-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 10:31 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] How to Show a Specific Report at Initiation
Time(Whenthere is also a default form)

You have an startup form, yes?  So can you put DoCmd.OpenReport in the
_open
event of that form?

Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
858-259-4334
www.bchacc.com
www.e-z-mrp.com
Skype: rocky.smolin
 


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brad Marks
Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 4:59 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] How to Show a Specific Report at Initiation Time
(Whenthere is also a default form)

All,

We have an Access 2007 application that is used  by a number of people.

The form that is automatically opened for this ap is a type of report
menu.

Recently a key player has asked that when the application is opened, he
would like to see one report automatically shown on the screen (without
needing to push any button or select any tab).

Is there a way to have a default form, and yet open a report and give it
the
focus.

I know how to discern the user-id, that it not a problem.

The problem is that if I open up the report on the Form Load Event, the
report is opened, but only a tab is shown for the report, and the report
itself is not visible as it is covered by the default form.

I thought that this would be easy to do .  I must be missing something.

Thanks,
Brad

     



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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Tue Apr 17 10:56:13 2012
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 08:56:13 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] How to Show a Specific Report at
	InitiationTime(Whenthere is also a default form)
In-Reply-To: <E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C501566D99@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
References: <4F8B8CF4.8030804@colbyconsulting.com><CAGuQ9V5N2wsc+vXEgwRQA==f2yqF1uQtVaV2c_RGvfNyiX7q2Q@mail.gmail.com><4F8C095D.1030306@colbyconsulting.com><E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C59FEB14@blkltd.blkfst2003.local><AA2A3055CF80474ABA43287922A85224@HAL9007>
	<E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C501566D99@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
Message-ID: <1D010EED9B7340ADBF835E7582F2288F@HAL9007>

Interesting problem. How about Docmd.Close acForm,"MyForm" after the
DoCmd.OpenReport and then in the close event of the report DoCmd.OpenForm to
open whatever form should be shown?

Rocky
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brad Marks
Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 8:35 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] How to Show a Specific Report at
InitiationTime(Whenthere is also a default form)

Rocky,

Thanks for the help.

The catch is that when I put the DoCmd.OpenReport in the open event of the
startup form, the report is indeed opened, but it is not visible as it sit
"behind" the form.

The Report Tab is visible, the user request is to have the actual report
fully visible on the screen (they don't want to push the TAB).

Is there some way to shift things so that the Report is shown and the Form
sits behind it?


Brad 




-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 10:31 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] How to Show a Specific Report at Initiation
Time(Whenthere is also a default form)

You have an startup form, yes?  So can you put DoCmd.OpenReport in the _open
event of that form?

Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
858-259-4334
www.bchacc.com
www.e-z-mrp.com
Skype: rocky.smolin
 


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brad Marks
Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 4:59 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] How to Show a Specific Report at Initiation Time
(Whenthere is also a default form)

All,

We have an Access 2007 application that is used  by a number of people.

The form that is automatically opened for this ap is a type of report menu.

Recently a key player has asked that when the application is opened, he
would like to see one report automatically shown on the screen (without
needing to push any button or select any tab).

Is there a way to have a default form, and yet open a report and give it the
focus.

I know how to discern the user-id, that it not a problem.

The problem is that if I open up the report on the Form Load Event, the
report is opened, but only a tab is shown for the report, and the report
itself is not visible as it is covered by the default form.

I thought that this would be easy to do .  I must be missing something.

Thanks,
Brad

     



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From dw-murphy at cox.net  Tue Apr 17 10:58:00 2012
From: dw-murphy at cox.net (Doug Murphy)
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 08:58:00 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] The microsoft access database engine can not open
	or	write to the file
In-Reply-To: <4F8CEC20.18798.19BC4550@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <006601cd1c4a$925c42d0$b714c870$@cox.net>,
	<56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B50D8E6B63@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
	<4F8CEC20.18798.19BC4550@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <003b01cd1cb2$dd7d3860$9877a920$@cox.net>

Thanks Guys,

After sending this question last night I shut down my computer and went to
have a cool one. Away from the office it hit me. I have another routine that
opens an ADO connection and gets the Name of the first sheet in the work
book. The connection was not closed and it was locking the spreadsheet. For
some reason this never caused a problem in Access 2002.

Think I need to drink more. I'd probably be much more productive.

Thanks for your thoughts.

Doug

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 9:06 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] The microsoft access database engine can not open or
write to the file

I doubt that is the problem since Doug said "After I step out of the code
the query opens fine." 

--
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On 17 Apr 2012 at 3:58, Darryl Collins wrote:

> Doug,
> 
> First thing I would check is the trust centre and check you have the 
> permissions correct.  Access 2010 is very touchy about these details.
> I would check it for both Access and Excel and ensure you have full 
> permission access to the folders where the database is saved.
> 
> Cheers
> Darryl.
> 

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From dbdoug at gmail.com  Tue Apr 17 11:09:03 2012
From: dbdoug at gmail.com (Doug Steele)
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 09:09:03 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] The microsoft access database engine can not open or
 write to the file
In-Reply-To: <003b01cd1cb2$dd7d3860$9877a920$@cox.net>
References: <006601cd1c4a$925c42d0$b714c870$@cox.net>
	<56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B50D8E6B63@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
	<4F8CEC20.18798.19BC4550@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<003b01cd1cb2$dd7d3860$9877a920$@cox.net>
Message-ID: <CAFa8NkiyMGRyjYq+1osWE1wCy437Bou7bCrCYC9RSzHvGiapFQ@mail.gmail.com>

Your are correct.  Recent research confirms it:

http://consumerist.com/2012/04/researcher-says-a-bit-of-beer-may-help-creative-problem-solving.html


Doug

On Tue, Apr 17, 2012 at 8:58 AM, Doug Murphy <dw-murphy at cox.net> wrote:

> Thanks Guys,
>
> After sending this question last night I shut down my computer and went to
> have a cool one. Away from the office it hit me. I have another routine
> that
> opens an ADO connection and gets the Name of the first sheet in the work
> book. The connection was not closed and it was locking the spreadsheet. For
> some reason this never caused a problem in Access 2002.
>
> Think I need to drink more. I'd probably be much more productive.
>
> Thanks for your thoughts.
>
> Doug
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart
> McLachlan
> Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 9:06 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] The microsoft access database engine can not open or
> write to the file
>
> I doubt that is the problem since Doug said "After I step out of the code
> the query opens fine."
>
> --
> Stuart
>
> On 17 Apr 2012 at 3:58, Darryl Collins wrote:
>
> > Doug,
> >
> > First thing I would check is the trust centre and check you have the
> > permissions correct.  Access 2010 is very touchy about these details.
> > I would check it for both Access and Excel and ensure you have full
> > permission access to the folders where the database is saved.
> >
> > Cheers
> > Darryl.
> >
>
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From kismert at gmail.com  Tue Apr 17 11:14:36 2012
From: kismert at gmail.com (Kenneth Ismert)
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 11:14:36 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] The coming in-memory database tipping point. - SQL
 Server Team Blog - Site Home - TechNet Blogs
Message-ID: <CAMEw5yWeuqg0+BVCrVXBUtFPJwqKUO5ALfBEY7sEvYOgmxeeXQ@mail.gmail.com>

As we get more general and better knowledge, it increasingly comes at the
expense of believability.

Newtonian mechanics were straightforward, and comforting in their
determinism. The mathematics are approachable by anyone who has taken a
college calculus course.

Einstein's relativistic universe is much harder to get an intuitive grasp
on, and the mathematics are much harder, too: mastery is an accomplishment
for a mathematics or physics major. Proof was hard to come by, but
relativity is incontestably true.

Then came the quantum revolution. Nature isn't predictable; worse, it can't
ever be completely measured; worse still, it behaves in ways that are
utterly bizarre. Einstein rebelled against the idea. Bohr said: "If quantum
mechanics hasn't profoundly shocked you, you haven't understood it yet."
Still, the theory of Quantum Electrodynamics, by Feynman et al, is the
best-proved theory in the history of science. The mathematics are just
barely tenable: a monkey puzzle of infinite series that cancel each other
out, they are graspable only by physics graduate students and professors.

Now we have reached the string theory stage, an attempt to tame quantum
strangeness, inhabited by things called 'superstrings' and 'branes' living
in something between 7 and 11 dimensions, the extra ones 'curled up into
little balls' so small that they are undetectable. A unified, satisfactory
description of the mathematics has defied the best mathematical and physics
minds for decades, and remains an ongoing puzzle for researchers. In fact,
string theory has yet to produce a single experimentally testable
assertion! It can't be proved. It can't be disproved. It just is.

Of course, the implications of string theory are even more strange. Some
theorists look at it and say there must be a parallel universe. Others
claim that is insufficient, and the number of universes is infinite. Still
others say the concept of a universe is irrelevant. Science has narrowed
down the number of universes to a range between 0 and infinity.

So, we have come to this fuzzy boundary between science and belief. Will
the current efforts produce satisfactory science? Are we missing something
simple? It is anyone's guess.

A postscript:
There is an experiment at Fermilab which aims to examine the fabric of
space-time at its smallest detail, to determine if it is digital or not. It
is inspired by the famous double-interferometer experiment, performed over
a century ago, which aimed to measure changes in the velocity of light
through its supposed transmission medium, the ether. That experiment
famously failed to find variation in the speed of light, destroying the
theory of the ether, and deterministic physics along with it.

If this new experiment works, and nature turns out to be full of digital
jitter, or 'quantum foam', then this opens up a new possibility. Maybe God
is a programmer, and we are a computer simulation.

-Ken

> Stuart McLachlan:
>
> In this case, I don't think that "flawed" is the right word.
 "Simplistic" would be better.
>
> Newton's approach is a simplified model of reality,  which matches
 observations  within
> certain constraints.   It is only beyond those constraints that newtonian
laws break down.
>
> Einsteins approach is a more complex model, which widens those
constraints.  Current
> string/multiverse/brane approaches are more complex again and further
widen those
> constraints.
>
> Each appears to be getting closer to reality, but whether we will ever
get there is another
> matter.

From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Tue Apr 17 11:38:20 2012
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 12:38:20 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Refer to a control on parent form from subform
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1iyOLvLwLydd0ybQ9++cr8naoY9UuV5_u8ACNabAac8BQ@mail.gmail.com>

Actually I need to do it both ways.

On the subform I need to refer to the value of a control on the parent form.
On the parent form I need to set the recordsource of the subform.

I've forgotten the Access 2000 (SP3) syntax.

TIA,
-- 
Arthur

From jerbach at gmail.com  Tue Apr 17 11:50:35 2012
From: jerbach at gmail.com (Janet Erbach)
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 11:50:35 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Refer to a control on parent form from subform
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1iyOLvLwLydd0ybQ9++cr8naoY9UuV5_u8ACNabAac8BQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1iyOLvLwLydd0ybQ9++cr8naoY9UuV5_u8ACNabAac8BQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAKhUvEWM46gEBS_FAtyRQO884iDNY9r5fCXWvssxox1uy4a5xQ@mail.gmail.com>

Arthur -

If it's the same as Access 2003 it would be something like this, I believe:

Forms!ParentForm_Name!Subform_Name.Form.Controlname   - gives you the value
of a control on the subform

Forms!ParentForm_Name.Controlname   - gives you the value of a control on
the parent form

IF it's the same as Access 2003, that is!

Janet Erbach




On Tue, Apr 17, 2012 at 11:38 AM, Arthur Fuller <fuller.artful at gmail.com>wrote:

> Actually I need to do it both ways.
>
> On the subform I need to refer to the value of a control on the parent
> form.
> On the parent form I need to set the recordsource of the subform.
>
> I've forgotten the Access 2000 (SP3) syntax.
>
> TIA,
> --
> Arthur
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From jimdettman at verizon.net  Tue Apr 17 12:04:39 2012
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 13:04:39 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Refer to a control on parent form from subform
In-Reply-To: <CAKhUvEWM46gEBS_FAtyRQO884iDNY9r5fCXWvssxox1uy4a5xQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1iyOLvLwLydd0ybQ9++cr8naoY9UuV5_u8ACNabAac8BQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAKhUvEWM46gEBS_FAtyRQO884iDNY9r5fCXWvssxox1uy4a5xQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <63F5368180E54DD490512F5013194FBE@XPS>

<<IF it's the same as Access 2003, that is!>>

 It is.  A2000 and A2003 are very close.  About the only thing A2003 has
over A2000 is the printer object and a little more stability.

 And for both, you can use the Me. Shorthand if the code is running in the
parent/subform:

  Me.SubformControlName.Form.Controlname  

And 

  Me.Parent.ControlName

Jim. 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Janet Erbach
Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 12:51 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Refer to a control on parent form from subform

Arthur -

If it's the same as Access 2003 it would be something like this, I believe:

Forms!ParentForm_Name!Subform_Name.Form.Controlname   - gives you the value
of a control on the subform

Forms!ParentForm_Name.Controlname   - gives you the value of a control on
the parent form

IF it's the same as Access 2003, that is!

Janet Erbach




On Tue, Apr 17, 2012 at 11:38 AM, Arthur Fuller
<fuller.artful at gmail.com>wrote:

> Actually I need to do it both ways.
>
> On the subform I need to refer to the value of a control on the parent
> form.
> On the parent form I need to set the recordsource of the subform.
>
> I've forgotten the Access 2000 (SP3) syntax.
>
> TIA,
> --
> Arthur
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Tue Apr 17 12:10:35 2012
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 10:10:35 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] The coming in-memory database tipping point. - SQL
	Server Team Blog - Site Home - TechNet Blogs
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Apropos: http://www.dilbert.com/ today's strip

Rocky
 

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kenneth Ismert
Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 9:15 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] The coming in-memory database tipping point. - SQL
Server Team Blog - Site Home - TechNet Blogs

As we get more general and better knowledge, it increasingly comes at the
expense of believability.

Newtonian mechanics were straightforward, and comforting in their
determinism. The mathematics are approachable by anyone who has taken a
college calculus course.

Einstein's relativistic universe is much harder to get an intuitive grasp
on, and the mathematics are much harder, too: mastery is an accomplishment
for a mathematics or physics major. Proof was hard to come by, but
relativity is incontestably true.

Then came the quantum revolution. Nature isn't predictable; worse, it can't
ever be completely measured; worse still, it behaves in ways that are
utterly bizarre. Einstein rebelled against the idea. Bohr said: "If quantum
mechanics hasn't profoundly shocked you, you haven't understood it yet."
Still, the theory of Quantum Electrodynamics, by Feynman et al, is the
best-proved theory in the history of science. The mathematics are just
barely tenable: a monkey puzzle of infinite series that cancel each other
out, they are graspable only by physics graduate students and professors.

Now we have reached the string theory stage, an attempt to tame quantum
strangeness, inhabited by things called 'superstrings' and 'branes' living
in something between 7 and 11 dimensions, the extra ones 'curled up into
little balls' so small that they are undetectable. A unified, satisfactory
description of the mathematics has defied the best mathematical and physics
minds for decades, and remains an ongoing puzzle for researchers. In fact,
string theory has yet to produce a single experimentally testable assertion!
It can't be proved. It can't be disproved. It just is.

Of course, the implications of string theory are even more strange. Some
theorists look at it and say there must be a parallel universe. Others claim
that is insufficient, and the number of universes is infinite. Still others
say the concept of a universe is irrelevant. Science has narrowed down the
number of universes to a range between 0 and infinity.

So, we have come to this fuzzy boundary between science and belief. Will the
current efforts produce satisfactory science? Are we missing something
simple? It is anyone's guess.

A postscript:
There is an experiment at Fermilab which aims to examine the fabric of
space-time at its smallest detail, to determine if it is digital or not. It
is inspired by the famous double-interferometer experiment, performed over a
century ago, which aimed to measure changes in the velocity of light through
its supposed transmission medium, the ether. That experiment famously failed
to find variation in the speed of light, destroying the theory of the ether,
and deterministic physics along with it.

If this new experiment works, and nature turns out to be full of digital
jitter, or 'quantum foam', then this opens up a new possibility. Maybe God
is a programmer, and we are a computer simulation.

-Ken

> Stuart McLachlan:
>
> In this case, I don't think that "flawed" is the right word.
 "Simplistic" would be better.
>
> Newton's approach is a simplified model of reality,  which matches
 observations  within
> certain constraints.   It is only beyond those constraints that newtonian
laws break down.
>
> Einsteins approach is a more complex model, which widens those
constraints.  Current
> string/multiverse/brane approaches are more complex again and further
widen those
> constraints.
>
> Each appears to be getting closer to reality, but whether we will ever
get there is another
> matter.
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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Tue Apr 17 12:16:26 2012
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 13:16:26 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Refer to a control on parent form from subform
In-Reply-To: <63F5368180E54DD490512F5013194FBE@XPS>
References: <CAEPJO1iyOLvLwLydd0ybQ9++cr8naoY9UuV5_u8ACNabAac8BQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAKhUvEWM46gEBS_FAtyRQO884iDNY9r5fCXWvssxox1uy4a5xQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<63F5368180E54DD490512F5013194FBE@XPS>
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Thanks!
A.

On Tue, Apr 17, 2012 at 1:04 PM, Jim Dettman <jimdettman at verizon.net> wrote:

> <<IF it's the same as Access 2003, that is!>>
>
>  It is.  A2000 and A2003 are very close.  About the only thing A2003 has
> over A2000 is the printer object and a little more stability.
>
>  And for both, you can use the Me. Shorthand if the code is running in the
> parent/subform:
>
>  Me.SubformControlName.Form.Controlname
>
> And
>
>  Me.Parent.ControlName
>
> Jim.
>
>

From davidmcafee at gmail.com  Tue Apr 17 12:40:06 2012
From: davidmcafee at gmail.com (David McAfee)
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 10:40:06 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Refer to a control on parent form from subform
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1iyOLvLwLydd0ybQ9++cr8naoY9UuV5_u8ACNabAac8BQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1iyOLvLwLydd0ybQ9++cr8naoY9UuV5_u8ACNabAac8BQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAMhYZWa=4b89+GEJf-PVvuKbg_cBuALM_Hw0Qh7zfTmGGacg+A@mail.gmail.com>

You can always call it in this manner:
Forms!frmMainForm!!sbfrmName!txtSomeField

Or this way:

Me.Parent.txtSomeField = "SomeValue"
or
strSomeVariable = Me.Parent.txtSomeField

Me.sbfrmMySubForm.Form.txtIncDetID = 0
or
Me.sbfrmMySubForm.txtIncDetID = 0



I've used this in ADPs:

Me.sbfrmItemIncentive.Form.Recordset = "stpItemIncentive"

to requery:
Me.sbfrmSalesDetailByInvoiceNo.Form.Requery




On Tue, Apr 17, 2012 at 9:38 AM, Arthur Fuller <fuller.artful at gmail.com>wrote:

> Actually I need to do it both ways.
>
> On the subform I need to refer to the value of a control on the parent
> form.
> On the parent form I need to set the recordsource of the subform.
>
> I've forgotten the Access 2000 (SP3) syntax.
>
> TIA,
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From rusty.hammond at cpiqpc.com  Tue Apr 17 13:11:45 2012
From: rusty.hammond at cpiqpc.com (Rusty Hammond)
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 13:11:45 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] How to Show a Specific Report
	atInitiationTime(Whenthere is also a default form)
In-Reply-To: <1D010EED9B7340ADBF835E7582F2288F@HAL9007>
References: <4F8B8CF4.8030804@colbyconsulting.com><CAGuQ9V5N2wsc+vXEgwRQA==f2yqF1uQtVaV2c_RGvfNyiX7q2Q@mail.gmail.com><4F8C095D.1030306@colbyconsulting.com><E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C59FEB14@blkltd.blkfst2003.local><AA2A3055CF80474ABA43287922A85224@HAL9007><E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C501566D99@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
	<1D010EED9B7340ADBF835E7582F2288F@HAL9007>
Message-ID: <49A286ABF515E94A8505CD14DEB721701744A880@CPIEMAIL-EVS1.CPIQPC.NET>

In the docmd.OpenReport try adding acDialog for the WindowMode parameter

DoCmd.OpenReport "YourReportName", acViewPreview, , , acDialog

Rusty 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 10:56 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] How to Show a Specific Report
atInitiationTime(Whenthere is also a default form)

Interesting problem. How about Docmd.Close acForm,"MyForm" after the
DoCmd.OpenReport and then in the close event of the report
DoCmd.OpenForm to open whatever form should be shown?

Rocky
 

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brad Marks
Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 8:35 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] How to Show a Specific Report at
InitiationTime(Whenthere is also a default form)

Rocky,

Thanks for the help.

The catch is that when I put the DoCmd.OpenReport in the open event of
the startup form, the report is indeed opened, but it is not visible as
it sit "behind" the form.

The Report Tab is visible, the user request is to have the actual report
fully visible on the screen (they don't want to push the TAB).

Is there some way to shift things so that the Report is shown and the
Form sits behind it?


Brad 




-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 10:31 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] How to Show a Specific Report at Initiation
Time(Whenthere is also a default form)

You have an startup form, yes?  So can you put DoCmd.OpenReport in the
_open event of that form?

Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
858-259-4334
www.bchacc.com
www.e-z-mrp.com
Skype: rocky.smolin
 


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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brad Marks
Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 4:59 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] How to Show a Specific Report at Initiation Time
(Whenthere is also a default form)

All,

We have an Access 2007 application that is used  by a number of people.

The form that is automatically opened for this ap is a type of report
menu.

Recently a key player has asked that when the application is opened, he
would like to see one report automatically shown on the screen (without
needing to push any button or select any tab).

Is there a way to have a default form, and yet open a report and give it
the focus.

I know how to discern the user-id, that it not a problem.

The problem is that if I open up the report on the Form Load Event, the
report is opened, but only a tab is shown for the report, and the report
itself is not visible as it is covered by the default form.

I thought that this would be easy to do .  I must be missing something.

Thanks,
Brad

     



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From vbacreations at gmail.com  Tue Apr 17 16:12:40 2012
From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson (VBACreations.Com))
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 17:12:40 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Refer to a control on parent form from subform
In-Reply-To: <CAMhYZWa=4b89+GEJf-PVvuKbg_cBuALM_Hw0Qh7zfTmGGacg+A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1iyOLvLwLydd0ybQ9++cr8naoY9UuV5_u8ACNabAac8BQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAMhYZWa=4b89+GEJf-PVvuKbg_cBuALM_Hw0Qh7zfTmGGacg+A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <004601cd1cde$d36fa840$7a4ef8c0$@gmail.com>

Me.sbfrmItemIncentive.Form.Recordset = "stpItemIncentive"

Recordsource?

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of David McAfee
Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 1:40 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Refer to a control on parent form from subform

You can always call it in this manner:
Forms!frmMainForm!!sbfrmName!txtSomeField

Or this way:

Me.Parent.txtSomeField = "SomeValue"
or
strSomeVariable = Me.Parent.txtSomeField

Me.sbfrmMySubForm.Form.txtIncDetID = 0
or
Me.sbfrmMySubForm.txtIncDetID = 0



I've used this in ADPs:

Me.sbfrmItemIncentive.Form.Recordset = "stpItemIncentive"

to requery:
Me.sbfrmSalesDetailByInvoiceNo.Form.Requery




On Tue, Apr 17, 2012 at 9:38 AM, Arthur Fuller
<fuller.artful at gmail.com>wrote:

> Actually I need to do it both ways.
>
> On the subform I need to refer to the value of a control on the parent
> form.
> On the parent form I need to set the recordsource of the subform.
>
> I've forgotten the Access 2000 (SP3) syntax.
>
> TIA,
> --
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From joeo at appoli.com  Tue Apr 17 19:39:41 2012
From: joeo at appoli.com (Joe O'Connell)
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 20:39:41 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] How to Show a Specific Report at Initiation Time
	(Whenthere is also a default form)
Message-ID: <1CF20DB644BE124083B31638E5D5C023DA1F47@exch2.Onappsad.net>

Brad,

It sounds like you have a popup form that opens a report, so the report
"sits behind" the form.  If there is only 1 form and 1 report, then when
the report opens have it hide the form and then unhide it when the
report is closed.  However sometimes there can be multiple forms open
that could open multiple reports in any sequence, then you need a more
generic solution to hide all popup forms when the first report opens and
to unhide all forms when the last report closes.  Here are 2 subroutines
that are easily invoked to hide and unhide all popup forms.

Put this in a new module:

Option Compare Database
Option Explicit
    Dim i As Integer, intNum As Integer, intNumOpenReport As Integer
    Dim strPopupForm() As String
    Const conObjStateClosed = 0

Public Sub HidePopupForms()
    On Error Resume Next
    If intNumOpenReport = 0 Then
        intNum = 0
        For i = 0 To Forms.Count - 1
            If Forms(i).PopUp = True And Forms(i).Visible = True Then
                Forms(i).Visible = False
                intNum = intNum + 1
                ReDim Preserve strPopupForm(intNum)
                strPopupForm(intNum) = Forms(i).name
            End If
        Next i
    End If
    intNumOpenReport = intNumOpenReport + 1
End Sub

Public Sub RestorePopupForms()
    On Error Resume Next
    If intNumOpenReport = 1 Then
        For i = 1 To intNum
            Forms(strPopupForm(i)).Visible = True
        Next i
        ReDim strPopupForm(0)
        End If
    intNumOpenReport = intNumOpenReport - 1
End Sub

In the open procedure for each report Call HidePopupForms() and in the
close procedure for ach report Call RestorePopupForms()

Joe O'Connell

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brad Marks
Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 7:59 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] How to Show a Specific Report at Initiation Time
(Whenthere is also a default form)

All,

We have an Access 2007 application that is used  by a number of people.

The form that is automatically opened for this ap is a type of report
menu.

Recently a key player has asked that when the application is opened, he
would like to see one report automatically shown on the screen (without
needing to push any button or select any tab).

Is there a way to have a default form, and yet open a report and give it
the focus.

I know how to discern the user-id, that it not a problem.

The problem is that if I open up the report on the Form Load Event, the
report is opened, but only a tab is shown for the report, and the report
itself is not visible as it is covered by the default form.

I thought that this would be easy to do .  I must be missing something.

Thanks,
Brad

     




From BradM at blackforestltd.com  Tue Apr 17 20:45:27 2012
From: BradM at blackforestltd.com (Brad Marks)
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 20:45:27 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] How to Show a Specific Report at Initiation Time(When
	there is also a default form)
References: <1CF20DB644BE124083B31638E5D5C023DA1F47@exch2.Onappsad.net>
Message-ID: <E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C59FEB15@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>

Joe,

Thanks for the help, I appreciate it.

The situation that I am dealing with is quite simple, but a little different.

To isolate the problem, I set up a small Access application that has only one form and one report.  The form is not a popup form.

The form is designated as the default "Display" form that is automatically opened at startup time.

The form opens the report on the form's "On Load" event (This works nicely)

I then tried to make the form not visible via the Report's Load Event (I tried the Report's Open event also)

For some reason the code "Forms.form1.Visible = False" does not work.

I must be missing something.

Thanks,

Brad


 

  

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com on behalf of Joe O'Connell
Sent: Tue 4/17/2012 7:39 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] How to Show a Specific Report at Initiation Time(Whenthere is also a default form)
 
Brad,

It sounds like you have a popup form that opens a report, so the report
"sits behind" the form.  If there is only 1 form and 1 report, then when
the report opens have it hide the form and then unhide it when the
report is closed.  However sometimes there can be multiple forms open
that could open multiple reports in any sequence, then you need a more
generic solution to hide all popup forms when the first report opens and
to unhide all forms when the last report closes.  Here are 2 subroutines
that are easily invoked to hide and unhide all popup forms.

Put this in a new module:

Option Compare Database
Option Explicit
    Dim i As Integer, intNum As Integer, intNumOpenReport As Integer
    Dim strPopupForm() As String
    Const conObjStateClosed = 0

Public Sub HidePopupForms()
    On Error Resume Next
    If intNumOpenReport = 0 Then
        intNum = 0
        For i = 0 To Forms.Count - 1
            If Forms(i).PopUp = True And Forms(i).Visible = True Then
                Forms(i).Visible = False
                intNum = intNum + 1
                ReDim Preserve strPopupForm(intNum)
                strPopupForm(intNum) = Forms(i).name
            End If
        Next i
    End If
    intNumOpenReport = intNumOpenReport + 1
End Sub

Public Sub RestorePopupForms()
    On Error Resume Next
    If intNumOpenReport = 1 Then
        For i = 1 To intNum
            Forms(strPopupForm(i)).Visible = True
        Next i
        ReDim strPopupForm(0)
        End If
    intNumOpenReport = intNumOpenReport - 1
End Sub

In the open procedure for each report Call HidePopupForms() and in the
close procedure for ach report Call RestorePopupForms()

Joe O'Connell

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brad Marks
Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 7:59 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] How to Show a Specific Report at Initiation Time
(Whenthere is also a default form)

All,

We have an Access 2007 application that is used  by a number of people.

The form that is automatically opened for this ap is a type of report
menu.

Recently a key player has asked that when the application is opened, he
would like to see one report automatically shown on the screen (without
needing to push any button or select any tab).

Is there a way to have a default form, and yet open a report and give it
the focus.

I know how to discern the user-id, that it not a problem.

The problem is that if I open up the report on the Form Load Event, the
report is opened, but only a tab is shown for the report, and the report
itself is not visible as it is covered by the default form.

I thought that this would be easy to do .  I must be missing something.

Thanks,
Brad

     



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From vbacreations at gmail.com  Tue Apr 17 21:19:03 2012
From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson (VBACreations.Com))
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 22:19:03 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] How to Show a Specific Report at Initiation
	Time(When	there is also a default form)
In-Reply-To: <E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C59FEB15@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
References: <1CF20DB644BE124083B31638E5D5C023DA1F47@exch2.Onappsad.net>
	<E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C59FEB15@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
Message-ID: <005601cd1d09$a0594ad0$e10be070$@gmail.com>

Why not use an Autoexec macro to run the report?

If you must run a form for some other reason (can't see why, but if...) you
could still use a autoexec which calls a function  (RunCode()) which opens
that form acformhidden). But at the end of the day it is a unneeded
intermediary step (and you're left with a hidden form open to no one's
benefit, right?) , so just open the report using the function that the
autoexec calls via runcode.
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brad Marks
Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 9:45 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] How to Show a Specific Report at Initiation Time(When
there is also a default form)

Joe,

Thanks for the help, I appreciate it.

The situation that I am dealing with is quite simple, but a little
different.

To isolate the problem, I set up a small Access application that has only
one form and one report.  The form is not a popup form.

The form is designated as the default "Display" form that is automatically
opened at startup time.

The form opens the report on the form's "On Load" event (This works nicely)

I then tried to make the form not visible via the Report's Load Event (I
tried the Report's Open event also)

For some reason the code "Forms.form1.Visible = False" does not work.

I must be missing something.

Thanks,

Brad


 

  

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com on behalf of Joe O'Connell
Sent: Tue 4/17/2012 7:39 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] How to Show a Specific Report at Initiation
Time(Whenthere is also a default form)
 
Brad,

It sounds like you have a popup form that opens a report, so the report
"sits behind" the form.  If there is only 1 form and 1 report, then when
the report opens have it hide the form and then unhide it when the
report is closed.  However sometimes there can be multiple forms open
that could open multiple reports in any sequence, then you need a more
generic solution to hide all popup forms when the first report opens and
to unhide all forms when the last report closes.  Here are 2 subroutines
that are easily invoked to hide and unhide all popup forms.

Put this in a new module:

Option Compare Database
Option Explicit
    Dim i As Integer, intNum As Integer, intNumOpenReport As Integer
    Dim strPopupForm() As String
    Const conObjStateClosed = 0

Public Sub HidePopupForms()
    On Error Resume Next
    If intNumOpenReport = 0 Then
        intNum = 0
        For i = 0 To Forms.Count - 1
            If Forms(i).PopUp = True And Forms(i).Visible = True Then
                Forms(i).Visible = False
                intNum = intNum + 1
                ReDim Preserve strPopupForm(intNum)
                strPopupForm(intNum) = Forms(i).name
            End If
        Next i
    End If
    intNumOpenReport = intNumOpenReport + 1
End Sub

Public Sub RestorePopupForms()
    On Error Resume Next
    If intNumOpenReport = 1 Then
        For i = 1 To intNum
            Forms(strPopupForm(i)).Visible = True
        Next i
        ReDim strPopupForm(0)
        End If
    intNumOpenReport = intNumOpenReport - 1
End Sub

In the open procedure for each report Call HidePopupForms() and in the
close procedure for ach report Call RestorePopupForms()

Joe O'Connell

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brad Marks
Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 7:59 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] How to Show a Specific Report at Initiation Time
(Whenthere is also a default form)

All,

We have an Access 2007 application that is used  by a number of people.

The form that is automatically opened for this ap is a type of report
menu.

Recently a key player has asked that when the application is opened, he
would like to see one report automatically shown on the screen (without
needing to push any button or select any tab).

Is there a way to have a default form, and yet open a report and give it
the focus.

I know how to discern the user-id, that it not a problem.

The problem is that if I open up the report on the Form Load Event, the
report is opened, but only a tab is shown for the report, and the report
itself is not visible as it is covered by the default form.

I thought that this would be easy to do .  I must be missing something.

Thanks,
Brad

     



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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Tue Apr 17 21:35:12 2012
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2012 12:35:12 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] How to Show a Specific Report at Initiation Time(When
	there is also a default form)
In-Reply-To: <005601cd1d09$a0594ad0$e10be070$@gmail.com>
References: <1CF20DB644BE124083B31638E5D5C023DA1F47@exch2.Onappsad.net>,
	<E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C59FEB15@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>,
	<005601cd1d09$a0594ad0$e10be070$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4F8E2860.27878.1E8FA350@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

I never use a Default Form any more.  I use a one line AutoExec Macro which executes a 
Function called Startup().

That way you can do any initialisation required and open number of  forms/reports in any 
order you want.

-- 
Stuart

On 17 Apr 2012 at 22:19, William Benson (VBACreations. wrote:

> Why not use an Autoexec macro to run the report?
> 
> If you must run a form for some other reason (can't see why, but if...) you
> could still use a autoexec which calls a function  (RunCode()) which opens
> that form acformhidden). But at the end of the day it is a unneeded
> intermediary step (and you're left with a hidden form open to no one's
> benefit, right?) , so just open the report using the function that the
> autoexec calls via runcode.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brad Marks
> Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 9:45 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] How to Show a Specific Report at Initiation Time(When
> there is also a default form)
> 
> Joe,
> 
> Thanks for the help, I appreciate it.
> 
> The situation that I am dealing with is quite simple, but a little
> different.
> 
> To isolate the problem, I set up a small Access application that has only
> one form and one report.  The form is not a popup form.
> 
> The form is designated as the default "Display" form that is automatically
> opened at startup time.
> 
> The form opens the report on the form's "On Load" event (This works nicely)
> 
> I then tried to make the form not visible via the Report's Load Event (I
> tried the Report's Open event also)
> 
> For some reason the code "Forms.form1.Visible = False" does not work.
> 
> I must be missing something.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Brad
> 
> 
>  
> 
>   
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com on behalf of Joe O'Connell
> Sent: Tue 4/17/2012 7:39 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] How to Show a Specific Report at Initiation
> Time(Whenthere is also a default form)
>  
> Brad,
> 
> It sounds like you have a popup form that opens a report, so the report
> "sits behind" the form.  If there is only 1 form and 1 report, then when
> the report opens have it hide the form and then unhide it when the
> report is closed.  However sometimes there can be multiple forms open
> that could open multiple reports in any sequence, then you need a more
> generic solution to hide all popup forms when the first report opens and
> to unhide all forms when the last report closes.  Here are 2 subroutines
> that are easily invoked to hide and unhide all popup forms.
> 
> Put this in a new module:
> 
> Option Compare Database
> Option Explicit
>     Dim i As Integer, intNum As Integer, intNumOpenReport As Integer
>     Dim strPopupForm() As String
>     Const conObjStateClosed = 0
> 
> Public Sub HidePopupForms()
>     On Error Resume Next
>     If intNumOpenReport = 0 Then
>         intNum = 0
>         For i = 0 To Forms.Count - 1
>             If Forms(i).PopUp = True And Forms(i).Visible = True Then
>                 Forms(i).Visible = False
>                 intNum = intNum + 1
>                 ReDim Preserve strPopupForm(intNum)
>                 strPopupForm(intNum) = Forms(i).name
>             End If
>         Next i
>     End If
>     intNumOpenReport = intNumOpenReport + 1
> End Sub
> 
> Public Sub RestorePopupForms()
>     On Error Resume Next
>     If intNumOpenReport = 1 Then
>         For i = 1 To intNum
>             Forms(strPopupForm(i)).Visible = True
>         Next i
>         ReDim strPopupForm(0)
>         End If
>     intNumOpenReport = intNumOpenReport - 1
> End Sub
> 
> In the open procedure for each report Call HidePopupForms() and in the
> close procedure for ach report Call RestorePopupForms()
> 
> Joe O'Connell
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brad Marks
> Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 7:59 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] How to Show a Specific Report at Initiation Time
> (Whenthere is also a default form)
> 
> All,
> 
> We have an Access 2007 application that is used  by a number of people.
> 
> The form that is automatically opened for this ap is a type of report
> menu.
> 
> Recently a key player has asked that when the application is opened, he
> would like to see one report automatically shown on the screen (without
> needing to push any button or select any tab).
> 
> Is there a way to have a default form, and yet open a report and give it
> the focus.
> 
> I know how to discern the user-id, that it not a problem.
> 
> The problem is that if I open up the report on the Form Load Event, the
> report is opened, but only a tab is shown for the report, and the report
> itself is not visible as it is covered by the default form.
> 
> I thought that this would be easy to do .  I must be missing something.
> 
> Thanks,
> Brad
> 
>      
> 
> 
> 
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From BradM at blackforestltd.com  Tue Apr 17 21:52:00 2012
From: BradM at blackforestltd.com (Brad Marks)
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 21:52:00 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] How to Show a Specific Report at
	InitiationTime(When	there is also a default form)
References: <1CF20DB644BE124083B31638E5D5C023DA1F47@exch2.Onappsad.net><E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C59FEB15@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
	<005601cd1d09$a0594ad0$e10be070$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C59FEB16@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>

I have started to experiment with an Autoexec Macro.

Here's what I would like to do.

Let's say that we have 25 users.

24 of them need to get a form (selection menu) when the system is initiated.

One user (major player) wants to only see one high level graphical
report without having to choose anything from the menu when the system is initiated.

I am quite sure that I can accomplish this with an Autoexec Macro rather than trying to "hide" the menu form as I was trying to do in the Report Load Event.



 



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com on behalf of William Benson (VBACreations.Com)
Sent: Tue 4/17/2012 9:19 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] How to Show a Specific Report at InitiationTime(When	there is also a default form)
 
Why not use an Autoexec macro to run the report?

If you must run a form for some other reason (can't see why, but if...) you
could still use a autoexec which calls a function  (RunCode()) which opens
that form acformhidden). But at the end of the day it is a unneeded
intermediary step (and you're left with a hidden form open to no one's
benefit, right?) , so just open the report using the function that the
autoexec calls via runcode.
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brad Marks
Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 9:45 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] How to Show a Specific Report at Initiation Time(When
there is also a default form)

Joe,

Thanks for the help, I appreciate it.

The situation that I am dealing with is quite simple, but a little
different.

To isolate the problem, I set up a small Access application that has only
one form and one report.  The form is not a popup form.

The form is designated as the default "Display" form that is automatically
opened at startup time.

The form opens the report on the form's "On Load" event (This works nicely)

I then tried to make the form not visible via the Report's Load Event (I
tried the Report's Open event also)

For some reason the code "Forms.form1.Visible = False" does not work.

I must be missing something.

Thanks,

Brad


 

  

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com on behalf of Joe O'Connell
Sent: Tue 4/17/2012 7:39 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] How to Show a Specific Report at Initiation
Time(Whenthere is also a default form)
 
Brad,

It sounds like you have a popup form that opens a report, so the report
"sits behind" the form.  If there is only 1 form and 1 report, then when
the report opens have it hide the form and then unhide it when the
report is closed.  However sometimes there can be multiple forms open
that could open multiple reports in any sequence, then you need a more
generic solution to hide all popup forms when the first report opens and
to unhide all forms when the last report closes.  Here are 2 subroutines
that are easily invoked to hide and unhide all popup forms.

Put this in a new module:

Option Compare Database
Option Explicit
    Dim i As Integer, intNum As Integer, intNumOpenReport As Integer
    Dim strPopupForm() As String
    Const conObjStateClosed = 0

Public Sub HidePopupForms()
    On Error Resume Next
    If intNumOpenReport = 0 Then
        intNum = 0
        For i = 0 To Forms.Count - 1
            If Forms(i).PopUp = True And Forms(i).Visible = True Then
                Forms(i).Visible = False
                intNum = intNum + 1
                ReDim Preserve strPopupForm(intNum)
                strPopupForm(intNum) = Forms(i).name
            End If
        Next i
    End If
    intNumOpenReport = intNumOpenReport + 1
End Sub

Public Sub RestorePopupForms()
    On Error Resume Next
    If intNumOpenReport = 1 Then
        For i = 1 To intNum
            Forms(strPopupForm(i)).Visible = True
        Next i
        ReDim strPopupForm(0)
        End If
    intNumOpenReport = intNumOpenReport - 1
End Sub

In the open procedure for each report Call HidePopupForms() and in the
close procedure for ach report Call RestorePopupForms()

Joe O'Connell

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brad Marks
Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 7:59 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] How to Show a Specific Report at Initiation Time
(Whenthere is also a default form)

All,

We have an Access 2007 application that is used  by a number of people.

The form that is automatically opened for this ap is a type of report
menu.

Recently a key player has asked that when the application is opened, he
would like to see one report automatically shown on the screen (without
needing to push any button or select any tab).

Is there a way to have a default form, and yet open a report and give it
the focus.

I know how to discern the user-id, that it not a problem.

The problem is that if I open up the report on the Form Load Event, the
report is opened, but only a tab is shown for the report, and the report
itself is not visible as it is covered by the default form.

I thought that this would be easy to do .  I must be missing something.

Thanks,
Brad

     



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From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au  Tue Apr 17 21:59:49 2012
From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins)
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2012 02:59:49 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] How to Show a Specific Report
	at	InitiationTime(When	there is also a default form)
In-Reply-To: <E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C59FEB16@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
References: <1CF20DB644BE124083B31638E5D5C023DA1F47@exch2.Onappsad.net><E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C59FEB15@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
	<005601cd1d09$a0594ad0$e10be070$@gmail.com>
	<E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C59FEB16@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
Message-ID: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B50D8E701E@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>

If you know their userID you could call 'whatever' based on who is who via a permissions table in the database. Is that the sort of thing you want to do?



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brad Marks
Sent: Wednesday, 18 April 2012 12:52 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] How to Show a Specific Report at InitiationTime(When there is also a default form)

I have started to experiment with an Autoexec Macro.

Here's what I would like to do.

Let's say that we have 25 users.

24 of them need to get a form (selection menu) when the system is initiated.

One user (major player) wants to only see one high level graphical report without having to choose anything from the menu when the system is initiated.

I am quite sure that I can accomplish this with an Autoexec Macro rather than trying to "hide" the menu form as I was trying to do in the Report Load Event.



 



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com on behalf of William Benson (VBACreations.Com)
Sent: Tue 4/17/2012 9:19 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] How to Show a Specific Report at InitiationTime(When	there is also a default form)
 
Why not use an Autoexec macro to run the report?

If you must run a form for some other reason (can't see why, but if...) you could still use a autoexec which calls a function  (RunCode()) which opens that form acformhidden). But at the end of the day it is a unneeded intermediary step (and you're left with a hidden form open to no one's benefit, right?) , so just open the report using the function that the autoexec calls via runcode.
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brad Marks
Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 9:45 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] How to Show a Specific Report at Initiation Time(When there is also a default form)

Joe,

Thanks for the help, I appreciate it.

The situation that I am dealing with is quite simple, but a little different.

To isolate the problem, I set up a small Access application that has only one form and one report.  The form is not a popup form.

The form is designated as the default "Display" form that is automatically opened at startup time.

The form opens the report on the form's "On Load" event (This works nicely)

I then tried to make the form not visible via the Report's Load Event (I tried the Report's Open event also)

For some reason the code "Forms.form1.Visible = False" does not work.

I must be missing something.

Thanks,

Brad


 

  

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com on behalf of Joe O'Connell
Sent: Tue 4/17/2012 7:39 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] How to Show a Specific Report at Initiation Time(Whenthere is also a default form)
 
Brad,

It sounds like you have a popup form that opens a report, so the report "sits behind" the form.  If there is only 1 form and 1 report, then when the report opens have it hide the form and then unhide it when the report is closed.  However sometimes there can be multiple forms open that could open multiple reports in any sequence, then you need a more generic solution to hide all popup forms when the first report opens and to unhide all forms when the last report closes.  Here are 2 subroutines that are easily invoked to hide and unhide all popup forms.

Put this in a new module:

Option Compare Database
Option Explicit
    Dim i As Integer, intNum As Integer, intNumOpenReport As Integer
    Dim strPopupForm() As String
    Const conObjStateClosed = 0

Public Sub HidePopupForms()
    On Error Resume Next
    If intNumOpenReport = 0 Then
        intNum = 0
        For i = 0 To Forms.Count - 1
            If Forms(i).PopUp = True And Forms(i).Visible = True Then
                Forms(i).Visible = False
                intNum = intNum + 1
                ReDim Preserve strPopupForm(intNum)
                strPopupForm(intNum) = Forms(i).name
            End If
        Next i
    End If
    intNumOpenReport = intNumOpenReport + 1 End Sub

Public Sub RestorePopupForms()
    On Error Resume Next
    If intNumOpenReport = 1 Then
        For i = 1 To intNum
            Forms(strPopupForm(i)).Visible = True
        Next i
        ReDim strPopupForm(0)
        End If
    intNumOpenReport = intNumOpenReport - 1 End Sub

In the open procedure for each report Call HidePopupForms() and in the close procedure for ach report Call RestorePopupForms()

Joe O'Connell

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brad Marks
Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 7:59 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] How to Show a Specific Report at Initiation Time (Whenthere is also a default form)

All,

We have an Access 2007 application that is used  by a number of people.

The form that is automatically opened for this ap is a type of report menu.

Recently a key player has asked that when the application is opened, he would like to see one report automatically shown on the screen (without needing to push any button or select any tab).

Is there a way to have a default form, and yet open a report and give it the focus.

I know how to discern the user-id, that it not a problem.

The problem is that if I open up the report on the Form Load Event, the report is opened, but only a tab is shown for the report, and the report itself is not visible as it is covered by the default form.

I thought that this would be easy to do .  I must be missing something.

Thanks,
Brad

     



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From joeo at appoli.com  Tue Apr 17 22:08:33 2012
From: joeo at appoli.com (Joe O'Connell)
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 23:08:33 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] How to Show a Specific Report
	atInitiationTime(When	there is also a default form)
In-Reply-To: <E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C59FEB16@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
References: <1CF20DB644BE124083B31638E5D5C023DA1F47@exch2.Onappsad.net><E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C59FEB15@blkltd.blkfst2003.local><005601cd1d09$a0594ad0$e10be070$@gmail.com>
	<E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C59FEB16@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
Message-ID: <1CF20DB644BE124083B31638E5D5C023DA1F4B@exch2.Onappsad.net>

Have the autoexec macro run a function.  The function only needs to
contain an if statement to determine whether the form or the report
should be opened

Public Function Startup()
If one-of-the-24 users Then
    DoCmd.Openform "name of the form"
Else
  DoCmd.OpenReport "name of the report"
End If
End Function

Joe O'Connell

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brad Marks
Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 10:52 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] How to Show a Specific Report
atInitiationTime(When there is also a default form)

I have started to experiment with an Autoexec Macro.

Here's what I would like to do.

Let's say that we have 25 users.

24 of them need to get a form (selection menu) when the system is
initiated.

One user (major player) wants to only see one high level graphical
report without having to choose anything from the menu when the system
is initiated.

I am quite sure that I can accomplish this with an Autoexec Macro rather
than trying to "hide" the menu form as I was trying to do in the Report
Load Event.



 



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com on behalf of William Benson
(VBACreations.Com)
Sent: Tue 4/17/2012 9:19 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] How to Show a Specific Report at
InitiationTime(When	there is also a default form)
 
Why not use an Autoexec macro to run the report?

If you must run a form for some other reason (can't see why, but if...)
you could still use a autoexec which calls a function  (RunCode()) which
opens that form acformhidden). But at the end of the day it is a
unneeded intermediary step (and you're left with a hidden form open to
no one's benefit, right?) , so just open the report using the function
that the autoexec calls via runcode.
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brad Marks
Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 9:45 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] How to Show a Specific Report at Initiation
Time(When there is also a default form)

Joe,

Thanks for the help, I appreciate it.

The situation that I am dealing with is quite simple, but a little
different.

To isolate the problem, I set up a small Access application that has
only one form and one report.  The form is not a popup form.

The form is designated as the default "Display" form that is
automatically opened at startup time.

The form opens the report on the form's "On Load" event (This works
nicely)

I then tried to make the form not visible via the Report's Load Event (I
tried the Report's Open event also)

For some reason the code "Forms.form1.Visible = False" does not work.

I must be missing something.

Thanks,

Brad


 

  

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com on behalf of Joe O'Connell
Sent: Tue 4/17/2012 7:39 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] How to Show a Specific Report at Initiation
Time(Whenthere is also a default form)
 
Brad,

It sounds like you have a popup form that opens a report, so the report
"sits behind" the form.  If there is only 1 form and 1 report, then when
the report opens have it hide the form and then unhide it when the
report is closed.  However sometimes there can be multiple forms open
that could open multiple reports in any sequence, then you need a more
generic solution to hide all popup forms when the first report opens and
to unhide all forms when the last report closes.  Here are 2 subroutines
that are easily invoked to hide and unhide all popup forms.

Put this in a new module:

Option Compare Database
Option Explicit
    Dim i As Integer, intNum As Integer, intNumOpenReport As Integer
    Dim strPopupForm() As String
    Const conObjStateClosed = 0

Public Sub HidePopupForms()
    On Error Resume Next
    If intNumOpenReport = 0 Then
        intNum = 0
        For i = 0 To Forms.Count - 1
            If Forms(i).PopUp = True And Forms(i).Visible = True Then
                Forms(i).Visible = False
                intNum = intNum + 1
                ReDim Preserve strPopupForm(intNum)
                strPopupForm(intNum) = Forms(i).name
            End If
        Next i
    End If
    intNumOpenReport = intNumOpenReport + 1 End Sub

Public Sub RestorePopupForms()
    On Error Resume Next
    If intNumOpenReport = 1 Then
        For i = 1 To intNum
            Forms(strPopupForm(i)).Visible = True
        Next i
        ReDim strPopupForm(0)
        End If
    intNumOpenReport = intNumOpenReport - 1 End Sub

In the open procedure for each report Call HidePopupForms() and in the
close procedure for ach report Call RestorePopupForms()

Joe O'Connell

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brad Marks
Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 7:59 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] How to Show a Specific Report at Initiation Time
(Whenthere is also a default form)

All,

We have an Access 2007 application that is used  by a number of people.

The form that is automatically opened for this ap is a type of report
menu.

Recently a key player has asked that when the application is opened, he
would like to see one report automatically shown on the screen (without
needing to push any button or select any tab).

Is there a way to have a default form, and yet open a report and give it
the focus.

I know how to discern the user-id, that it not a problem.

The problem is that if I open up the report on the Form Load Event, the
report is opened, but only a tab is shown for the report, and the report
itself is not visible as it is covered by the default form.

I thought that this would be easy to do .  I must be missing something.

Thanks,
Brad

     



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From vbacreations at gmail.com  Tue Apr 17 22:52:52 2012
From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson (VBACreations.Com))
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 23:52:52 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] How to Show a Specific
	Report	at	InitiationTime(When	there is also a default form)
In-Reply-To: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B50D8E701E@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
References: <1CF20DB644BE124083B31638E5D5C023DA1F47@exch2.Onappsad.net><E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C59FEB15@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>	<005601cd1d09$a0594ad0$e10be070$@gmail.com>	<E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C59FEB16@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
	<56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B50D8E701E@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <006001cd1d16$bb4cc8f0$31e65ad0$@gmail.com>

I saw 3 users all with the same userid on different computers once. I no
longer have much faith in test for userid in my code.

:-(


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darryl Collins
Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 11:00 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] How to Show a Specific Report at InitiationTime(When
there is also a default form)

If you know their userID you could call 'whatever' based on who is who via a
permissions table in the database. Is that the sort of thing you want to do?



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brad Marks
Sent: Wednesday, 18 April 2012 12:52 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] How to Show a Specific Report at InitiationTime(When
there is also a default form)

I have started to experiment with an Autoexec Macro.

Here's what I would like to do.

Let's say that we have 25 users.

24 of them need to get a form (selection menu) when the system is initiated.

One user (major player) wants to only see one high level graphical report
without having to choose anything from the menu when the system is
initiated.

I am quite sure that I can accomplish this with an Autoexec Macro rather
than trying to "hide" the menu form as I was trying to do in the Report Load
Event.



 



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com on behalf of William Benson
(VBACreations.Com)
Sent: Tue 4/17/2012 9:19 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] How to Show a Specific Report at InitiationTime(When
there is also a default form)
 
Why not use an Autoexec macro to run the report?

If you must run a form for some other reason (can't see why, but if...) you
could still use a autoexec which calls a function  (RunCode()) which opens
that form acformhidden). But at the end of the day it is a unneeded
intermediary step (and you're left with a hidden form open to no one's
benefit, right?) , so just open the report using the function that the
autoexec calls via runcode.
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brad Marks
Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 9:45 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] How to Show a Specific Report at Initiation Time(When
there is also a default form)

Joe,

Thanks for the help, I appreciate it.

The situation that I am dealing with is quite simple, but a little
different.

To isolate the problem, I set up a small Access application that has only
one form and one report.  The form is not a popup form.

The form is designated as the default "Display" form that is automatically
opened at startup time.

The form opens the report on the form's "On Load" event (This works nicely)

I then tried to make the form not visible via the Report's Load Event (I
tried the Report's Open event also)

For some reason the code "Forms.form1.Visible = False" does not work.

I must be missing something.

Thanks,

Brad


 

  

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com on behalf of Joe O'Connell
Sent: Tue 4/17/2012 7:39 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] How to Show a Specific Report at Initiation
Time(Whenthere is also a default form)
 
Brad,

It sounds like you have a popup form that opens a report, so the report
"sits behind" the form.  If there is only 1 form and 1 report, then when the
report opens have it hide the form and then unhide it when the report is
closed.  However sometimes there can be multiple forms open that could open
multiple reports in any sequence, then you need a more generic solution to
hide all popup forms when the first report opens and to unhide all forms
when the last report closes.  Here are 2 subroutines that are easily invoked
to hide and unhide all popup forms.

Put this in a new module:

Option Compare Database
Option Explicit
    Dim i As Integer, intNum As Integer, intNumOpenReport As Integer
    Dim strPopupForm() As String
    Const conObjStateClosed = 0

Public Sub HidePopupForms()
    On Error Resume Next
    If intNumOpenReport = 0 Then
        intNum = 0
        For i = 0 To Forms.Count - 1
            If Forms(i).PopUp = True And Forms(i).Visible = True Then
                Forms(i).Visible = False
                intNum = intNum + 1
                ReDim Preserve strPopupForm(intNum)
                strPopupForm(intNum) = Forms(i).name
            End If
        Next i
    End If
    intNumOpenReport = intNumOpenReport + 1 End Sub

Public Sub RestorePopupForms()
    On Error Resume Next
    If intNumOpenReport = 1 Then
        For i = 1 To intNum
            Forms(strPopupForm(i)).Visible = True
        Next i
        ReDim strPopupForm(0)
        End If
    intNumOpenReport = intNumOpenReport - 1 End Sub

In the open procedure for each report Call HidePopupForms() and in the close
procedure for ach report Call RestorePopupForms()

Joe O'Connell

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brad Marks
Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 7:59 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] How to Show a Specific Report at Initiation Time
(Whenthere is also a default form)

All,

We have an Access 2007 application that is used  by a number of people.

The form that is automatically opened for this ap is a type of report menu.

Recently a key player has asked that when the application is opened, he
would like to see one report automatically shown on the screen (without
needing to push any button or select any tab).

Is there a way to have a default form, and yet open a report and give it the
focus.

I know how to discern the user-id, that it not a problem.

The problem is that if I open up the report on the Form Load Event, the
report is opened, but only a tab is shown for the report, and the report
itself is not visible as it is covered by the default form.

I thought that this would be easy to do .  I must be missing something.

Thanks,
Brad

     



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From charlotte.foust at gmail.com  Tue Apr 17 23:57:15 2012
From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 21:57:15 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Adobe Acrobat dropping drawn lines when converting to PDF
Message-ID: <CAH+Met8jZyj3p3e3Wrsto70kLB_rMdbP-+1vn_4sONmLV_sirg@mail.gmail.com>

I'm banging my head against this one, and it just started a couple of days
ago out of the blue.  I'm using Acrobat 9 Standard (employer's machine) to
print long "letters" (reports, about 8 pages per "letter") from Access
2003.  All the grid lines, including both line controls and lines drawn
using the Line method of the report were printing out to PDFs until this
past weekend.  Suddenly, Acrobat has starting randomly losing lines here
and there.  It's the most maddening thing I've run into because there
doesn't seem to be a fix for it.  The issue has been discussed
intermittently on the web for years, but I haven't found a solution that
actually works and continues to work.  The advice is contradictory ( lower
the dpi to 300, no raise the dpi to 1200, no ....) and some of the
solutions seem to work once, but the next time you try it, the problem
reappears.  I'm going to get them to uninstall and reinstall adobe
tomorrow, but I wondered if any of you have run into this?

Interestingly, the Lebans solution appears to work better than the PDF
printer except that the report files being generated are apparently too
large and cause the snapshot to crash before it can complete.   I've been
fighting this for nearly a week, and I'm getting cranky!  It isn't just a
display issue either.  The lines are there in the reports and print to a
printer properly, but some of them go awol when sent to the Adobe PDF
printer.  I don't have a choice on the output method, so I'm looking for
answers.

Any suggestions?  I'm getting far too old for this kind of irritation and
I'm going to start whacking people with my cane if things don't get
better!  ;-)

Charlotte Foust

From darren at activebilling.com.au  Wed Apr 18 00:07:34 2012
From: darren at activebilling.com.au (Darren)
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2012 15:07:34 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Adobe Acrobat dropping drawn lines when converting to
	PDF
In-Reply-To: <CAH+Met8jZyj3p3e3Wrsto70kLB_rMdbP-+1vn_4sONmLV_sirg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAH+Met8jZyj3p3e3Wrsto70kLB_rMdbP-+1vn_4sONmLV_sirg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <000001cd1d21$2c234e50$8469eaf0$@activebilling.com.au>

Hi Charlotte,
If this started out of the blue then my money is on some Adobe update being
the actual 'cause'
Re your comment " I don't have a choice on the output method" does this mean
you are not able to try another PDF creator?
If you are able to, then grab one of the freebies or cheapies from the
interwebs and see if any of these 'fixes' it.
DD

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Wednesday, 18 April 2012 2:57 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem
Subject: [AccessD] Adobe Acrobat dropping drawn lines when converting to PDF

I'm banging my head against this one, and it just started a couple of days
ago out of the blue.  I'm using Acrobat 9 Standard (employer's machine) to
print long "letters" (reports, about 8 pages per "letter") from Access 2003.
All the grid lines, including both line controls and lines drawn using the
Line method of the report were printing out to PDFs until this past weekend.
Suddenly, Acrobat has starting randomly losing lines here and there.  It's
the most maddening thing I've run into because there doesn't seem to be a
fix for it.  The issue has been discussed intermittently on the web for
years, but I haven't found a solution that actually works and continues to
work.  The advice is contradictory ( lower the dpi to 300, no raise the dpi
to 1200, no ....) and some of the solutions seem to work once, but the next
time you try it, the problem reappears.  I'm going to get them to uninstall
and reinstall adobe tomorrow, but I wondered if any of you have run into
this?

Interestingly, the Lebans solution appears to work better than the PDF
printer except that the report files being generated are apparently too
large and cause the snapshot to crash before it can complete.   I've been
fighting this for nearly a week, and I'm getting cranky!  It isn't just a
display issue either.  The lines are there in the reports and print to a
printer properly, but some of them go awol when sent to the Adobe PDF
printer.  I don't have a choice on the output method, so I'm looking for
answers.

Any suggestions?  I'm getting far too old for this kind of irritation and
I'm going to start whacking people with my cane if things don't get better!
;-)

Charlotte Foust
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From BradM at blackforestltd.com  Wed Apr 18 06:07:29 2012
From: BradM at blackforestltd.com (Brad Marks)
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2012 06:07:29 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] How to Show a Specific
	ReportatInitiationTime(When	there is also a default form)
References: <1CF20DB644BE124083B31638E5D5C023DA1F47@exch2.Onappsad.net><E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C59FEB15@blkltd.blkfst2003.local><005601cd1d09$a0594ad0$e10be070$@gmail.com><E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C59FEB16@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
	<1CF20DB644BE124083B31638E5D5C023DA1F4B@exch2.Onappsad.net>
Message-ID: <E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C59FEB17@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>

All,

Thanks for the help with this issue.

I have experimented with an Autoexec macro and a function.

This will work nicely "almost".

Building on the example from Joe (below)  ...

I need to open Form1 for the 24 users

I need to open Form1 AND Report1 for the one "Special" user 
AND Report1 needs to be shown on the screen and not sitting behind Form1
(This is where I am running into issues).  I have experimented with the "Visible"
attribute but have not had success yet.   


If one-of-the-24 users Then
    DoCmd.Openform "Form1" ''' this will work nicely
Else
  DoCmd.Openform "Form1"
  DoCmd.OpenReport "Report1" ' & have it be visible on the screen (not behind Form1)
End If





Brad

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com on behalf of Joe O'Connell
Sent: Tue 4/17/2012 10:08 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] How to Show a Specific ReportatInitiationTime(When	there is also a default form)
 
Have the autoexec macro run a function.  The function only needs to
contain an if statement to determine whether the form or the report
should be opened

Public Function Startup()
If one-of-the-24 users Then
    DoCmd.Openform "name of the form"
Else
  DoCmd.OpenReport "name of the report"
End If
End Function

Joe O'Connell

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brad Marks
Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 10:52 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] How to Show a Specific Report
atInitiationTime(When there is also a default form)

I have started to experiment with an Autoexec Macro.

Here's what I would like to do.

Let's say that we have 25 users.

24 of them need to get a form (selection menu) when the system is
initiated.

One user (major player) wants to only see one high level graphical
report without having to choose anything from the menu when the system
is initiated.

I am quite sure that I can accomplish this with an Autoexec Macro rather
than trying to "hide" the menu form as I was trying to do in the Report
Load Event.



 



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com on behalf of William Benson
(VBACreations.Com)
Sent: Tue 4/17/2012 9:19 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] How to Show a Specific Report at
InitiationTime(When	there is also a default form)
 
Why not use an Autoexec macro to run the report?

If you must run a form for some other reason (can't see why, but if...)
you could still use a autoexec which calls a function  (RunCode()) which
opens that form acformhidden). But at the end of the day it is a
unneeded intermediary step (and you're left with a hidden form open to
no one's benefit, right?) , so just open the report using the function
that the autoexec calls via runcode.
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brad Marks
Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 9:45 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] How to Show a Specific Report at Initiation
Time(When there is also a default form)

Joe,

Thanks for the help, I appreciate it.

The situation that I am dealing with is quite simple, but a little
different.

To isolate the problem, I set up a small Access application that has
only one form and one report.  The form is not a popup form.

The form is designated as the default "Display" form that is
automatically opened at startup time.

The form opens the report on the form's "On Load" event (This works
nicely)

I then tried to make the form not visible via the Report's Load Event (I
tried the Report's Open event also)

For some reason the code "Forms.form1.Visible = False" does not work.

I must be missing something.

Thanks,

Brad


 

  

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com on behalf of Joe O'Connell
Sent: Tue 4/17/2012 7:39 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] How to Show a Specific Report at Initiation
Time(Whenthere is also a default form)
 
Brad,

It sounds like you have a popup form that opens a report, so the report
"sits behind" the form.  If there is only 1 form and 1 report, then when
the report opens have it hide the form and then unhide it when the
report is closed.  However sometimes there can be multiple forms open
that could open multiple reports in any sequence, then you need a more
generic solution to hide all popup forms when the first report opens and
to unhide all forms when the last report closes.  Here are 2 subroutines
that are easily invoked to hide and unhide all popup forms.

Put this in a new module:

Option Compare Database
Option Explicit
    Dim i As Integer, intNum As Integer, intNumOpenReport As Integer
    Dim strPopupForm() As String
    Const conObjStateClosed = 0

Public Sub HidePopupForms()
    On Error Resume Next
    If intNumOpenReport = 0 Then
        intNum = 0
        For i = 0 To Forms.Count - 1
            If Forms(i).PopUp = True And Forms(i).Visible = True Then
                Forms(i).Visible = False
                intNum = intNum + 1
                ReDim Preserve strPopupForm(intNum)
                strPopupForm(intNum) = Forms(i).name
            End If
        Next i
    End If
    intNumOpenReport = intNumOpenReport + 1 End Sub

Public Sub RestorePopupForms()
    On Error Resume Next
    If intNumOpenReport = 1 Then
        For i = 1 To intNum
            Forms(strPopupForm(i)).Visible = True
        Next i
        ReDim strPopupForm(0)
        End If
    intNumOpenReport = intNumOpenReport - 1 End Sub

In the open procedure for each report Call HidePopupForms() and in the
close procedure for ach report Call RestorePopupForms()

Joe O'Connell

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brad Marks
Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 7:59 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] How to Show a Specific Report at Initiation Time
(Whenthere is also a default form)

All,

We have an Access 2007 application that is used  by a number of people.

The form that is automatically opened for this ap is a type of report
menu.

Recently a key player has asked that when the application is opened, he
would like to see one report automatically shown on the screen (without
needing to push any button or select any tab).

Is there a way to have a default form, and yet open a report and give it
the focus.

I know how to discern the user-id, that it not a problem.

The problem is that if I open up the report on the Form Load Event, the
report is opened, but only a tab is shown for the report, and the report
itself is not visible as it is covered by the default form.

I thought that this would be easy to do .  I must be missing something.

Thanks,
Brad

     



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From vbacreations at gmail.com  Wed Apr 18 09:09:09 2012
From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson)
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2012 10:09:09 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] How to Show a Specific ReportatInitiationTime(When
 there is also a default form)
In-Reply-To: <E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C59FEB17@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
References: <1CF20DB644BE124083B31638E5D5C023DA1F47@exch2.Onappsad.net>
	<E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C59FEB15@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
	<005601cd1d09$a0594ad0$e10be070$@gmail.com>
	<E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C59FEB16@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
	<1CF20DB644BE124083B31638E5D5C023DA1F4B@exch2.Onappsad.net>
	<E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C59FEB17@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
Message-ID: <CAGuQ9V4ToJxiVgWuVz_nOE188+0+BjWfkvpN79-FOw9M3bPoSg@mail.gmail.com>

You're saying that in else condition the report is showing behind the form
even though its opened after the form is opened? How odd. Have you tried
docmd.minimize after openform?
On Apr 18, 2012 7:11 AM, "Brad Marks" <BradM at blackforestltd.com> wrote:

> All,
>
> Thanks for the help with this issue.
>
> I have experimented with an Autoexec macro and a function.
>
> This will work nicely "almost".
>
> Building on the example from Joe (below)  ...
>
> I need to open Form1 for the 24 users
>
> I need to open Form1 AND Report1 for the one "Special" user
> AND Report1 needs to be shown on the screen and not sitting behind Form1
> (This is where I am running into issues).  I have experimented with the
> "Visible"
> attribute but have not had success yet.
>
>
> If one-of-the-24 users Then
>    DoCmd.Openform "Form1" ''' this will work nicely
> Else
>  DoCmd.Openform "Form1"
>  DoCmd.OpenReport "Report1" ' & have it be visible on the screen (not
> behind Form1)
> End If
>
>
>
>
>
> Brad
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com on behalf of Joe O'Connell
> Sent: Tue 4/17/2012 10:08 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] How to Show a Specific ReportatInitiationTime(When
>       there is also a default form)
>
> Have the autoexec macro run a function.  The function only needs to
> contain an if statement to determine whether the form or the report
> should be opened
>
> Public Function Startup()
> If one-of-the-24 users Then
>    DoCmd.Openform "name of the form"
> Else
>  DoCmd.OpenReport "name of the report"
> End If
> End Function
>
> Joe O'Connell
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brad Marks
> Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 10:52 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] How to Show a Specific Report
> atInitiationTime(When there is also a default form)
>
> I have started to experiment with an Autoexec Macro.
>
> Here's what I would like to do.
>
> Let's say that we have 25 users.
>
> 24 of them need to get a form (selection menu) when the system is
> initiated.
>
> One user (major player) wants to only see one high level graphical
> report without having to choose anything from the menu when the system
> is initiated.
>
> I am quite sure that I can accomplish this with an Autoexec Macro rather
> than trying to "hide" the menu form as I was trying to do in the Report
> Load Event.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com on behalf of William Benson
> (VBACreations.Com)
> Sent: Tue 4/17/2012 9:19 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] How to Show a Specific Report at
> InitiationTime(When     there is also a default form)
>
> Why not use an Autoexec macro to run the report?
>
> If you must run a form for some other reason (can't see why, but if...)
> you could still use a autoexec which calls a function  (RunCode()) which
> opens that form acformhidden). But at the end of the day it is a
> unneeded intermediary step (and you're left with a hidden form open to
> no one's benefit, right?) , so just open the report using the function
> that the autoexec calls via runcode.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brad Marks
> Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 9:45 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] How to Show a Specific Report at Initiation
> Time(When there is also a default form)
>
> Joe,
>
> Thanks for the help, I appreciate it.
>
> The situation that I am dealing with is quite simple, but a little
> different.
>
> To isolate the problem, I set up a small Access application that has
> only one form and one report.  The form is not a popup form.
>
> The form is designated as the default "Display" form that is
> automatically opened at startup time.
>
> The form opens the report on the form's "On Load" event (This works
> nicely)
>
> I then tried to make the form not visible via the Report's Load Event (I
> tried the Report's Open event also)
>
> For some reason the code "Forms.form1.Visible = False" does not work.
>
> I must be missing something.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Brad
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com on behalf of Joe O'Connell
> Sent: Tue 4/17/2012 7:39 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] How to Show a Specific Report at Initiation
> Time(Whenthere is also a default form)
>
> Brad,
>
> It sounds like you have a popup form that opens a report, so the report
> "sits behind" the form.  If there is only 1 form and 1 report, then when
> the report opens have it hide the form and then unhide it when the
> report is closed.  However sometimes there can be multiple forms open
> that could open multiple reports in any sequence, then you need a more
> generic solution to hide all popup forms when the first report opens and
> to unhide all forms when the last report closes.  Here are 2 subroutines
> that are easily invoked to hide and unhide all popup forms.
>
> Put this in a new module:
>
> Option Compare Database
> Option Explicit
>    Dim i As Integer, intNum As Integer, intNumOpenReport As Integer
>    Dim strPopupForm() As String
>    Const conObjStateClosed = 0
>
> Public Sub HidePopupForms()
>    On Error Resume Next
>    If intNumOpenReport = 0 Then
>        intNum = 0
>        For i = 0 To Forms.Count - 1
>            If Forms(i).PopUp = True And Forms(i).Visible = True Then
>                Forms(i).Visible = False
>                intNum = intNum + 1
>                ReDim Preserve strPopupForm(intNum)
>                strPopupForm(intNum) = Forms(i).name
>            End If
>        Next i
>    End If
>    intNumOpenReport = intNumOpenReport + 1 End Sub
>
> Public Sub RestorePopupForms()
>    On Error Resume Next
>    If intNumOpenReport = 1 Then
>        For i = 1 To intNum
>            Forms(strPopupForm(i)).Visible = True
>        Next i
>        ReDim strPopupForm(0)
>        End If
>    intNumOpenReport = intNumOpenReport - 1 End Sub
>
> In the open procedure for each report Call HidePopupForms() and in the
> close procedure for ach report Call RestorePopupForms()
>
> Joe O'Connell
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brad Marks
> Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 7:59 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] How to Show a Specific Report at Initiation Time
> (Whenthere is also a default form)
>
> All,
>
> We have an Access 2007 application that is used  by a number of people.
>
> The form that is automatically opened for this ap is a type of report
> menu.
>
> Recently a key player has asked that when the application is opened, he
> would like to see one report automatically shown on the screen (without
> needing to push any button or select any tab).
>
> Is there a way to have a default form, and yet open a report and give it
> the focus.
>
> I know how to discern the user-id, that it not a problem.
>
> The problem is that if I open up the report on the Form Load Event, the
> report is opened, but only a tab is shown for the report, and the report
> itself is not visible as it is covered by the default form.
>
> I thought that this would be easy to do .  I must be missing something.
>
> Thanks,
> Brad
>
>
>
>
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From charlotte.foust at gmail.com  Wed Apr 18 09:37:15 2012
From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2012 07:37:15 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Adobe Acrobat dropping drawn lines when converting to
	PDF
In-Reply-To: <000001cd1d21$2c234e50$8469eaf0$@activebilling.com.au>
References: <CAH+Met8jZyj3p3e3Wrsto70kLB_rMdbP-+1vn_4sONmLV_sirg@mail.gmail.com>
	<000001cd1d21$2c234e50$8469eaf0$@activebilling.com.au>
Message-ID: <CAH+Met8-TcSxtaLH+kqzhiopx_WxCYF=mBPU+NrVuf5-jgg5Vw@mail.gmail.com>

I seem to be stuck with Adobe.  I thought of trying one of the others and I
may do that as a stopgap, since I do have admin rights to my machine and
they are desparate to get the job done.  From what I found on the web, the
problem sometimes occurs with other PDF creators too, but at this point,
I'll try anything.

Charlotte Foust

On Tue, Apr 17, 2012 at 10:07 PM, Darren <darren at activebilling.com.au>wrote:

> Hi Charlotte,
> If this started out of the blue then my money is on some Adobe update being
> the actual 'cause'
> Re your comment " I don't have a choice on the output method" does this
> mean
> you are not able to try another PDF creator?
> If you are able to, then grab one of the freebies or cheapies from the
> interwebs and see if any of these 'fixes' it.
> DD
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
> Sent: Wednesday, 18 April 2012 2:57 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem
> Subject: [AccessD] Adobe Acrobat dropping drawn lines when converting to
> PDF
>
> I'm banging my head against this one, and it just started a couple of days
> ago out of the blue.  I'm using Acrobat 9 Standard (employer's machine) to
> print long "letters" (reports, about 8 pages per "letter") from Access
> 2003.
> All the grid lines, including both line controls and lines drawn using the
> Line method of the report were printing out to PDFs until this past
> weekend.
> Suddenly, Acrobat has starting randomly losing lines here and there.  It's
> the most maddening thing I've run into because there doesn't seem to be a
> fix for it.  The issue has been discussed intermittently on the web for
> years, but I haven't found a solution that actually works and continues to
> work.  The advice is contradictory ( lower the dpi to 300, no raise the dpi
> to 1200, no ....) and some of the solutions seem to work once, but the next
> time you try it, the problem reappears.  I'm going to get them to uninstall
> and reinstall adobe tomorrow, but I wondered if any of you have run into
> this?
>
> Interestingly, the Lebans solution appears to work better than the PDF
> printer except that the report files being generated are apparently too
> large and cause the snapshot to crash before it can complete.   I've been
> fighting this for nearly a week, and I'm getting cranky!  It isn't just a
> display issue either.  The lines are there in the reports and print to a
> printer properly, but some of them go awol when sent to the Adobe PDF
> printer.  I don't have a choice on the output method, so I'm looking for
> answers.
>
> Any suggestions?  I'm getting far too old for this kind of irritation and
> I'm going to start whacking people with my cane if things don't get better!
> ;-)
>
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed Apr 18 10:15:05 2012
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2012 11:15:05 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Refer to a control on parent form from subform
In-Reply-To: <63F5368180E54DD490512F5013194FBE@XPS>
References: <CAEPJO1iyOLvLwLydd0ybQ9++cr8naoY9UuV5_u8ACNabAac8BQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAKhUvEWM46gEBS_FAtyRQO884iDNY9r5fCXWvssxox1uy4a5xQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<63F5368180E54DD490512F5013194FBE@XPS>
Message-ID: <4F8EDA79.7000809@colbyconsulting.com>

 > About the only thing A2003 has over A2000 is the printer object and a little more stability.

Uhhh no.  A LOT more stability.  And fixes to the VBA / Class / event structure to fix the bug 
causing Access to crash in many inexplicable places when trying to use Events in classes.  Oh, and 
the fix allowing binding forms to ADO recordsets while remaining editable.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 4/17/2012 1:04 PM, Jim Dettman wrote:
> <<IF it's the same as Access 2003, that is!>>
>
>   It is.  A2000 and A2003 are very close.  About the only thing A2003 has
> over A2000 is the printer object and a little more stability.
>
>   And for both, you can use the Me. Shorthand if the code is running in the
> parent/subform:
>
>    Me.SubformControlName.Form.Controlname
>
> And
>
>    Me.Parent.ControlName
>
> Jim.


From dw-murphy at cox.net  Wed Apr 18 10:36:28 2012
From: dw-murphy at cox.net (Doug Murphy)
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2012 08:36:28 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Adobe Acrobat dropping drawn lines when converting to
	PDF
In-Reply-To: <CAH+Met8jZyj3p3e3Wrsto70kLB_rMdbP-+1vn_4sONmLV_sirg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAH+Met8jZyj3p3e3Wrsto70kLB_rMdbP-+1vn_4sONmLV_sirg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <005601cd1d79$0be44510$23accf30$@cox.net>

What happens if you use one of the pdf printers like BullZip or CutePdf? I
have gotten so fed up with Adobe updates, the bloated size and intrusiveness
of Acrobat that I took it all off my computers. Purchased Foxit Studio for
pdf creation, editing, etc and love it. Small install size and no annoying
update messages every other day.

For what it is worth.

Doug

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 9:57 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem
Subject: [AccessD] Adobe Acrobat dropping drawn lines when converting to PDF

I'm banging my head against this one, and it just started a couple of days
ago out of the blue.  I'm using Acrobat 9 Standard (employer's machine) to
print long "letters" (reports, about 8 pages per "letter") from Access 2003.
All the grid lines, including both line controls and lines drawn using the
Line method of the report were printing out to PDFs until this past weekend.
Suddenly, Acrobat has starting randomly losing lines here and there.  It's
the most maddening thing I've run into because there doesn't seem to be a
fix for it.  The issue has been discussed intermittently on the web for
years, but I haven't found a solution that actually works and continues to
work.  The advice is contradictory ( lower the dpi to 300, no raise the dpi
to 1200, no ....) and some of the solutions seem to work once, but the next
time you try it, the problem reappears.  I'm going to get them to uninstall
and reinstall adobe tomorrow, but I wondered if any of you have run into
this?

Interestingly, the Lebans solution appears to work better than the PDF
printer except that the report files being generated are apparently too
large and cause the snapshot to crash before it can complete.   I've been
fighting this for nearly a week, and I'm getting cranky!  It isn't just a
display issue either.  The lines are there in the reports and print to a
printer properly, but some of them go awol when sent to the Adobe PDF
printer.  I don't have a choice on the output method, so I'm looking for
answers.

Any suggestions?  I'm getting far too old for this kind of irritation and
I'm going to start whacking people with my cane if things don't get better!
;-)

Charlotte Foust
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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Wed Apr 18 19:56:53 2012
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2012 20:56:53 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Adobe Acrobat dropping drawn lines when converting to
	PDF
In-Reply-To: <005601cd1d79$0be44510$23accf30$@cox.net>
References: <CAH+Met8jZyj3p3e3Wrsto70kLB_rMdbP-+1vn_4sONmLV_sirg@mail.gmail.com>
	<005601cd1d79$0be44510$23accf30$@cox.net>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1gjECEifTvvb+qfZ=NGVBHWK+XfjS_SDCd=gGEvn=4_YQ@mail.gmail.com>

Charlotte,

The one I like is FoxIt. I've never had even the slightest problem with it.
A.

From charlotte.foust at gmail.com  Wed Apr 18 22:38:14 2012
From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2012 20:38:14 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Adobe Acrobat dropping drawn lines when converting to
	PDF
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1gjECEifTvvb+qfZ=NGVBHWK+XfjS_SDCd=gGEvn=4_YQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAH+Met8jZyj3p3e3Wrsto70kLB_rMdbP-+1vn_4sONmLV_sirg@mail.gmail.com>
	<005601cd1d79$0be44510$23accf30$@cox.net>
	<CAEPJO1gjECEifTvvb+qfZ=NGVBHWK+XfjS_SDCd=gGEvn=4_YQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAH+Met8cPasVoetn7M4xLAfhuLQfYx4FjUSZdBLSma4dbT4KYQ@mail.gmail.com>

I haven't tried Foxit, but I downloaded the FreePDF converter and it seems
to be performing properly.  I can't purchase anything for the machine, but
the freebie is working and I'm ignoring Adobe.  This requires a bit more
care and feeding than Adobe, but at least it seems to be reliable.

Charlotte

On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 5:56 PM, Arthur Fuller <fuller.artful at gmail.com>wrote:

> Charlotte,
>
> The one I like is FoxIt. I've never had even the slightest problem with it.
> A.
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Fri Apr 20 09:48:42 2012
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2012 07:48:42 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Jumping Screen
Message-ID: <97BC4AF631DB432798DFA85A1643D015@HAL9007>

Dear List:
 
This is getting serious now.  I made some changes to my A2003 product to fix
the problem of some of the forms not opening centered and maximized when
running the A2003 mde in A2007 and A2010. That problem is solved.
 
But now the forms jump unacceptably when the form is opened in the mde
version.
 
I tried to track it down by seeing if there's an event that's causing it.
So I put message Boxes in all the likely suspect events in just one form -
the Main Menu (figure if I can solve for this one form, I can do all).
 
Now in this application, whenever I go to a new form I close the calling
form - stops the user from navigating the open windows instead of my
carefully crafted menus. :)c
 
The ADH code for  resizing and other housekeeping functions is in the Open
event (I tried moving this to the Load event - no difference).  None of the
other events mentioned here have code except for the MsgBox.  When I open
the Main Menu then, here's the sequence of events:
 
Open
Resize
Load
Resize
Activate
Got Focus
Resize (after this one, the form actually appears)
Lost Focus
Current (no record source on this menu - just a menu - at this point, part
of the screen shifts)
Resize (big screen shift upwards)
Resize (big screen shift downwards)
 
So it's those last two resize events that are causing the jumping problem.
In the mdb - not so much.  In the mde - unacceptable.
 
Biggest problem - I don't know how to stop this behavior.
 
Any ideas are welcome.
 
MTIA
 
Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
858-259-4334
www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> 
www.e-z-mrp.com <http://www.e-z-mrp.com/> 
Skype: rocky.smolin
 

From Gustav at cactus.dk  Fri Apr 20 10:13:06 2012
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2012 17:13:06 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Jumping Screen
Message-ID: <sf91994d.033@cactus.dk>

Hi Rocky

The major question is the purpose of all this resizing? Except for one special form - which should fill from top to bottom to display a scanned portrait document as a background picture - I can't recall ever to have resized forms.

/gustav


>>> rockysmolin at bchacc.com 20-04-2012 16:48 >>>
Dear List:
 
This is getting serious now.  I made some changes to my A2003 product to fix
the problem of some of the forms not opening centered and maximized when
running the A2003 mde in A2007 and A2010. That problem is solved.
 
But now the forms jump unacceptably when the form is opened in the mde
version.
 
I tried to track it down by seeing if there's an event that's causing it.
So I put message Boxes in all the likely suspect events in just one form -
the Main Menu (figure if I can solve for this one form, I can do all).
 
Now in this application, whenever I go to a new form I close the calling
form - stops the user from navigating the open windows instead of my
carefully crafted menus. :)c
 
The ADH code for  resizing and other housekeeping functions is in the Open
event (I tried moving this to the Load event - no difference).  None of the
other events mentioned here have code except for the MsgBox.  When I open
the Main Menu then, here's the sequence of events:
 
Open
Resize
Load
Resize
Activate
Got Focus
Resize (after this one, the form actually appears)
Lost Focus
Current (no record source on this menu - just a menu - at this point, part
of the screen shifts)
Resize (big screen shift upwards)
Resize (big screen shift downwards)
 
So it's those last two resize events that are causing the jumping problem.
In the mdb - not so much.  In the mde - unacceptable.
 
Biggest problem - I don't know how to stop this behavior.
 
Any ideas are welcome.
 
MTIA
 
Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
858-259-4334
www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> 
www.e-z-mrp.com <http://www.e-z-mrp.com/> 
Skype: rocky.smolin
 



From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Fri Apr 20 10:21:17 2012
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2012 08:21:17 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Jumping Screen
In-Reply-To: <sf91994d.033@cactus.dk>
References: <sf91994d.033@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <E76BB19F026C4CDFAD80DFC058806D2D@HAL9007>

Good question. I'm not calling the Resize or have any code in the Resize
event.  I am using the AHD resizing code. OK, I'll comment out the call to
adhScaleForm and see what happens.

OK the sequence is the same except for the first resize and it still jumps
in the same place.

Rocky


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Friday, April 20, 2012 8:13 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Jumping Screen

Hi Rocky

The major question is the purpose of all this resizing? Except for one
special form - which should fill from top to bottom to display a scanned
portrait document as a background picture - I can't recall ever to have
resized forms.

/gustav


>>> rockysmolin at bchacc.com 20-04-2012 16:48 >>>
Dear List:
 
This is getting serious now.  I made some changes to my A2003 product to fix
the problem of some of the forms not opening centered and maximized when
running the A2003 mde in A2007 and A2010. That problem is solved.
 
But now the forms jump unacceptably when the form is opened in the mde
version.
 
I tried to track it down by seeing if there's an event that's causing it.
So I put message Boxes in all the likely suspect events in just one form -
the Main Menu (figure if I can solve for this one form, I can do all).
 
Now in this application, whenever I go to a new form I close the calling
form - stops the user from navigating the open windows instead of my
carefully crafted menus. :)c
 
The ADH code for  resizing and other housekeeping functions is in the Open
event (I tried moving this to the Load event - no difference).  None of the
other events mentioned here have code except for the MsgBox.  When I open
the Main Menu then, here's the sequence of events:
 
Open
Resize
Load
Resize
Activate
Got Focus
Resize (after this one, the form actually appears) Lost Focus Current (no
record source on this menu - just a menu - at this point, part of the screen
shifts) Resize (big screen shift upwards) Resize (big screen shift
downwards)
 
So it's those last two resize events that are causing the jumping problem.
In the mdb - not so much.  In the mde - unacceptable.
 
Biggest problem - I don't know how to stop this behavior.
 
Any ideas are welcome.
 
MTIA
 
Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
858-259-4334
www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> www.e-z-mrp.com
<http://www.e-z-mrp.com/>
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From michael at mattysconsulting.com  Fri Apr 20 10:43:56 2012
From: michael at mattysconsulting.com (Michael Mattys)
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2012 11:43:56 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Jumping Screen
In-Reply-To: <E76BB19F026C4CDFAD80DFC058806D2D@HAL9007>
References: <sf91994d.033@cactus.dk> <E76BB19F026C4CDFAD80DFC058806D2D@HAL9007>
Message-ID: <01a401cd1f0c$6672a370$3357ea50$@mattysconsulting.com>

Rocky,

I haven't been following this thread, so this may have been asked already.
Is it the menu that you have specified in the menubar property that is
causing the jump?
If so, could you delay the form's visibility for a second or two?

Michael R Mattys
Mattys Consulting, LLC
www.mattysconsulting.com


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Friday, April 20, 2012 11:21 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Jumping Screen

Good question. I'm not calling the Resize or have any code in the Resize
event.  I am using the AHD resizing code. OK, I'll comment out the call to
adhScaleForm and see what happens.

OK the sequence is the same except for the first resize and it still jumps
in the same place.

Rocky


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Friday, April 20, 2012 8:13 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Jumping Screen

Hi Rocky

The major question is the purpose of all this resizing? Except for one
special form - which should fill from top to bottom to display a scanned
portrait document as a background picture - I can't recall ever to have
resized forms.

/gustav


>>> rockysmolin at bchacc.com 20-04-2012 16:48 >>>
Dear List:
 
This is getting serious now.  I made some changes to my A2003 product to fix
the problem of some of the forms not opening centered and maximized when
running the A2003 mde in A2007 and A2010. That problem is solved.
 
But now the forms jump unacceptably when the form is opened in the mde
version.
 
I tried to track it down by seeing if there's an event that's causing it.
So I put message Boxes in all the likely suspect events in just one form -
the Main Menu (figure if I can solve for this one form, I can do all).
 
Now in this application, whenever I go to a new form I close the calling
form - stops the user from navigating the open windows instead of my
carefully crafted menus. :)c
 
The ADH code for  resizing and other housekeeping functions is in the Open
event (I tried moving this to the Load event - no difference).  None of the
other events mentioned here have code except for the MsgBox.  When I open
the Main Menu then, here's the sequence of events:
 
Open
Resize
Load
Resize
Activate
Got Focus
Resize (after this one, the form actually appears) Lost Focus Current (no
record source on this menu - just a menu - at this point, part of the screen
shifts) Resize (big screen shift upwards) Resize (big screen shift
downwards)
 
So it's those last two resize events that are causing the jumping problem.
In the mdb - not so much.  In the mde - unacceptable.
 
Biggest problem - I don't know how to stop this behavior.
 
Any ideas are welcome.
 
MTIA
 
Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
858-259-4334
www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> www.e-z-mrp.com
<http://www.e-z-mrp.com/>
Skype: rocky.smolin
 


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From TSeptav at uniserve.com  Fri Apr 20 10:59:35 2012
From: TSeptav at uniserve.com (Tony Septav)
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2012 08:59:35 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Jumping Screen
Message-ID: <6BCA06E15E284171A2B8D5C25561AF07@TonySeptav>

Hey Rocky
If it would help, you could send me (or someone else on the list) a cut down
version ( 1 or 2 ) forms and I/they could check it out my/their machine. My
problem is I can't do it until tomorrow.

From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Fri Apr 20 11:01:50 2012
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2012 09:01:50 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Jumping Screen
In-Reply-To: <6BCA06E15E284171A2B8D5C25561AF07@TonySeptav>
References: <6BCA06E15E284171A2B8D5C25561AF07@TonySeptav>
Message-ID: <806DDD908A8E44098F8C8A45974C2EEB@HAL9007>

Thanks Tony.  I may take you up on that.  

Rocky 

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tony Septav
Sent: Friday, April 20, 2012 9:00 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Jumping Screen

Hey Rocky
If it would help, you could send me (or someone else on the list) a cut down
version ( 1 or 2 ) forms and I/they could check it out my/their machine. My
problem is I can't do it until tomorrow.
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From john at winhaven.net  Fri Apr 20 11:02:03 2012
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2012 11:02:03 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Jumping Screen
In-Reply-To: <sf91994d.033@cactus.dk>
References: <sf91994d.033@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <02b001cd1f0e$ed53d5b0$c7fb8110$@winhaven.net>

Hi All,
I've used the same code, back in the day when users had quite a range of
screen sizes and resolutions. I have no clients with 12", 600x800 screens
any more so the code has become somewhat irrelevant for my apps. Given that
the code in ADH is from, at the very latest, the Windows XP era you may want
to check with the ADH writers and see if they've posted any advice or
updates when using it with Windows Vista/7.

Good luck Rocky,
John B.


From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Fri Apr 20 11:05:17 2012
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2012 09:05:17 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Jumping Screen
In-Reply-To: <sf91994d.033@cactus.dk>
References: <sf91994d.033@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <BE74D27148BC4BE0A5F06E5C9076B517@HAL9007>

Gustav:

More clues?  I tried the mde in A2010 to see what the sequence of events is
because I get no jumping in A2010 with this A2003 mde.  And what do you
know?  Here's the sequence:

Open
Load
Resize
Activate
Got Focus
Resize
Lost Focus
Current

The last two Resize events that are triggered in A2003 are not triggered in
A2010.

So those are the culprits for sure.

Rocky

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Friday, April 20, 2012 8:13 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Jumping Screen

Hi Rocky

The major question is the purpose of all this resizing? Except for one
special form - which should fill from top to bottom to display a scanned
portrait document as a background picture - I can't recall ever to have
resized forms.

/gustav


>>> rockysmolin at bchacc.com 20-04-2012 16:48 >>>
Dear List:
 
This is getting serious now.  I made some changes to my A2003 product to fix
the problem of some of the forms not opening centered and maximized when
running the A2003 mde in A2007 and A2010. That problem is solved.
 
But now the forms jump unacceptably when the form is opened in the mde
version.
 
I tried to track it down by seeing if there's an event that's causing it.
So I put message Boxes in all the likely suspect events in just one form -
the Main Menu (figure if I can solve for this one form, I can do all).
 
Now in this application, whenever I go to a new form I close the calling
form - stops the user from navigating the open windows instead of my
carefully crafted menus. :)c
 
The ADH code for  resizing and other housekeeping functions is in the Open
event (I tried moving this to the Load event - no difference).  None of the
other events mentioned here have code except for the MsgBox.  When I open
the Main Menu then, here's the sequence of events:
 
Open
Resize
Load
Resize
Activate
Got Focus
Resize (after this one, the form actually appears) 
Lost Focus 
Current (no record source on this menu - just a menu - at this point, part
of the screen shifts) 
Resize (big screen shift upwards) 
Resize (big screen shift downwards)
 
So it's those last two resize events that are causing the jumping problem.
In the mdb - not so much.  In the mde - unacceptable.
 
Biggest problem - I don't know how to stop this behavior.
 
Any ideas are welcome.
 
MTIA
 
Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
858-259-4334
www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> www.e-z-mrp.com
<http://www.e-z-mrp.com/>
Skype: rocky.smolin
 


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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Fri Apr 20 11:10:06 2012
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2012 09:10:06 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Jumping Screen
In-Reply-To: <01a401cd1f0c$6672a370$3357ea50$@mattysconsulting.com>
References: <sf91994d.033@cactus.dk> <E76BB19F026C4CDFAD80DFC058806D2D@HAL9007>
	<01a401cd1f0c$6672a370$3357ea50$@mattysconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <480052BF7B3A4B8ABD9019C4F6E8DE3F@HAL9007>

Mark:

In the mde version I turn off the menu bar altogether:

'If boolTrapErrors = True Then
'    Me.MenuBar = "=1"
'    On Error GoTo Err_Form_Open
'End If

If boolTrapErrors is True it's an mde.  If false, it's an mdb.

But commenting it out of the Open module doesn't help.  I still get the
jump.

Rocky

 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Michael Mattys
Sent: Friday, April 20, 2012 8:44 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Jumping Screen

Rocky,

I haven't been following this thread, so this may have been asked already.
Is it the menu that you have specified in the menubar property that is
causing the jump?
If so, could you delay the form's visibility for a second or two?

Michael R Mattys
Mattys Consulting, LLC
www.mattysconsulting.com


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Friday, April 20, 2012 11:21 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Jumping Screen

Good question. I'm not calling the Resize or have any code in the Resize
event.  I am using the AHD resizing code. OK, I'll comment out the call to
adhScaleForm and see what happens.

OK the sequence is the same except for the first resize and it still jumps
in the same place.

Rocky


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Friday, April 20, 2012 8:13 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Jumping Screen

Hi Rocky

The major question is the purpose of all this resizing? Except for one
special form - which should fill from top to bottom to display a scanned
portrait document as a background picture - I can't recall ever to have
resized forms.

/gustav


>>> rockysmolin at bchacc.com 20-04-2012 16:48 >>>
Dear List:
 
This is getting serious now.  I made some changes to my A2003 product to fix
the problem of some of the forms not opening centered and maximized when
running the A2003 mde in A2007 and A2010. That problem is solved.
 
But now the forms jump unacceptably when the form is opened in the mde
version.
 
I tried to track it down by seeing if there's an event that's causing it.
So I put message Boxes in all the likely suspect events in just one form -
the Main Menu (figure if I can solve for this one form, I can do all).
 
Now in this application, whenever I go to a new form I close the calling
form - stops the user from navigating the open windows instead of my
carefully crafted menus. :)c
 
The ADH code for  resizing and other housekeeping functions is in the Open
event (I tried moving this to the Load event - no difference).  None of the
other events mentioned here have code except for the MsgBox.  When I open
the Main Menu then, here's the sequence of events:
 
Open
Resize
Load
Resize
Activate
Got Focus
Resize (after this one, the form actually appears) Lost Focus Current (no
record source on this menu - just a menu - at this point, part of the screen
shifts) Resize (big screen shift upwards) Resize (big screen shift
downwards)
 
So it's those last two resize events that are causing the jumping problem.
In the mdb - not so much.  In the mde - unacceptable.
 
Biggest problem - I don't know how to stop this behavior.
 
Any ideas are welcome.
 
MTIA
 
Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
858-259-4334
www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> www.e-z-mrp.com
<http://www.e-z-mrp.com/>
Skype: rocky.smolin
 


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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Fri Apr 20 11:11:29 2012
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2012 09:11:29 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Jumping Screen
In-Reply-To: <02b001cd1f0e$ed53d5b0$c7fb8110$@winhaven.net>
References: <sf91994d.033@cactus.dk>
	<02b001cd1f0e$ed53d5b0$c7fb8110$@winhaven.net>
Message-ID: <F473B379FBCD446B90DA790854E7F93D@HAL9007>

Thanks.  I tried commenting out the call to the adh code.  The form doesn't
resize but it still jumps.

Rocky
  

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow
Sent: Friday, April 20, 2012 9:02 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Jumping Screen

Hi All,
I've used the same code, back in the day when users had quite a range of
screen sizes and resolutions. I have no clients with 12", 600x800 screens
any more so the code has become somewhat irrelevant for my apps. Given that
the code in ADH is from, at the very latest, the Windows XP era you may want
to check with the ADH writers and see if they've posted any advice or
updates when using it with Windows Vista/7.

Good luck Rocky,
John B.

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From BradM at blackforestltd.com  Fri Apr 20 11:05:39 2012
From: BradM at blackforestltd.com (Brad Marks)
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2012 11:05:39 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Automatically Fire Up an Access Application When Logging
	On to Terminal Services
References: <sf91994d.033@cactus.dk> <BE74D27148BC4BE0A5F06E5C9076B517@HAL9007>
Message-ID: <E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C59FEB21@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>

All,

Is there a way to automatically initiate an Access application when a user logs into a  Terminal Services environment?

Thanks,
Brad

From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Fri Apr 20 12:06:32 2012
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2012 13:06:32 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Automatically Fire Up an Access Application When
 Logging On to Terminal Services
In-Reply-To: <E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C59FEB21@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
References: <sf91994d.033@cactus.dk> <BE74D27148BC4BE0A5F06E5C9076B517@HAL9007>
	<E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C59FEB21@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1jc2tgRhu-Tf+EpoTKqTM=orTtpdo2hZdEAbhm1vZqxTQ@mail.gmail.com>

Yes there is, but sadly, I don't remember it. It's a setting in TS. Come to
think of it, though, I'm pretty sure you could do it by plonking a shortcut
into the Startup folder.

A.

On Fri, Apr 20, 2012 at 12:05 PM, Brad Marks <BradM at blackforestltd.com>wrote:

> All,
>
> Is there a way to automatically initiate an Access application when a user
> logs into a  Terminal Services environment?
>
> Thanks,
> Brad
>
>

From accessd at shaw.ca  Fri Apr 20 12:14:49 2012
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2012 10:14:49 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Jumping Screen
In-Reply-To: <97BC4AF631DB432798DFA85A1643D015@HAL9007>
References: <97BC4AF631DB432798DFA85A1643D015@HAL9007>
Message-ID: <36D748525886463E8F4CA9C7BBDD25FC@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Have you tried the direct methods of(?):

Application.WindowState = wdWindowStateMaximize
...or...
ActiveWindow.View.FullScreen = True
...or 
MySplashPage.Height = SysInfo1.WorkAreaHeight
MySplashPage.Width = SysInfo1.WorkAreaWidth
MySplashPage.Top = SysInfo1.WorkAreaTop
MySplashPage.Left = SysInfo1.WorkAreaLeft
...and then center the your form

I have not tested this as it has been a while since I have done anything in
Access.

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Friday, April 20, 2012 7:49 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Jumping Screen

Dear List:
 
This is getting serious now.  I made some changes to my A2003 product to fix
the problem of some of the forms not opening centered and maximized when
running the A2003 mde in A2007 and A2010. That problem is solved.
 
But now the forms jump unacceptably when the form is opened in the mde
version.
 
I tried to track it down by seeing if there's an event that's causing it.
So I put message Boxes in all the likely suspect events in just one form -
the Main Menu (figure if I can solve for this one form, I can do all).
 
Now in this application, whenever I go to a new form I close the calling
form - stops the user from navigating the open windows instead of my
carefully crafted menus. :)c
 
The ADH code for  resizing and other housekeeping functions is in the Open
event (I tried moving this to the Load event - no difference).  None of the
other events mentioned here have code except for the MsgBox.  When I open
the Main Menu then, here's the sequence of events:
 
Open
Resize
Load
Resize
Activate
Got Focus
Resize (after this one, the form actually appears)
Lost Focus
Current (no record source on this menu - just a menu - at this point, part
of the screen shifts)
Resize (big screen shift upwards)
Resize (big screen shift downwards)
 
So it's those last two resize events that are causing the jumping problem.
In the mdb - not so much.  In the mde - unacceptable.
 
Biggest problem - I don't know how to stop this behavior.
 
Any ideas are welcome.
 
MTIA
 
Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
858-259-4334
www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> 
www.e-z-mrp.com <http://www.e-z-mrp.com/> 
Skype: rocky.smolin
 


From tinanfields at torchlake.com  Fri Apr 20 12:39:42 2012
From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields)
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2012 13:39:42 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] FW: The coming in-memory database tipping point. -
 SQL	Server Team Blog - Site Home - TechNet Blogs
In-Reply-To: <93D10F008B998B4A83BCA855A33EEF372C7E62FA@CINMBCNA01.e2k.ad.ge.com>
References: <4F8B8CF4.8030804@colbyconsulting.com>
	<CAGuQ9V5N2wsc+vXEgwRQA==f2yqF1uQtVaV2c_RGvfNyiX7q2Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<4F8C095D.1030306@colbyconsulting.com>
	<003f01cd1be6$c2482b30$46d88190$@mattysconsulting.com>
	<004001cd1bf0$98a825f0$c9f871d0$@mattysconsulting.com>
	<4F8D6840.1080306@colbyconsulting.com>
	<93D10F008B998B4A83BCA855A33EEF372C7E62FA@CINMBCNA01.e2k.ad.ge.com>
Message-ID: <4F919F5E.6050006@torchlake.com>

Hmmm, I share your perspective about why we were put here.  I hope we 
get about it before time runs out.
T

Tina Norris Fields
tinanfields at torchlake.com
231-322-2787


On 4/17/2012 10:10 AM, Benson, William (GE Global Research, consultant) 
wrote:
> Seriously? Inhumanity maybe.
>
> Humanity has tremendous capacity to understand, to conserve and to improve the earth - just fails to take the right actions.
>
> Avarice, Ignorance, Malice, Indolence, etc... whatever the 7 deadly sins are... do not define humanity in its natural state, but rather in its diseased state.
>
> We were not put on earth to be a disease to it, but to tend it as a garden, to replenish it, to care for it - and within it we should also be able to find all our needs met.
>
> Still time, but I agree it is running out.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
> Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 8:55 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] FW: The coming in-memory database tipping point. - SQL Server Team Blog - Site Home - TechNet Blogs
>
> I have long maintained that from the Earth's perspective, Humanity is an enormously damaging "infection".
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
>
> Reality is what refuses to go away
> when you do not believe in it
>

From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Fri Apr 20 12:35:26 2012
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2012 10:35:26 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Jumping Screen
In-Reply-To: <36D748525886463E8F4CA9C7BBDD25FC@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <97BC4AF631DB432798DFA85A1643D015@HAL9007>
	<36D748525886463E8F4CA9C7BBDD25FC@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <72E43226BA374273AECCDE502D622DD6@HAL9007>

Is there a difference between  Application.WindowState =
wdWindowStateMaximize and DoCmd.Maximize?Or between
ActiveWindow.View.FullScreen and DoCmd.Maximize?

Rocky



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Friday, April 20, 2012 10:15 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Jumping Screen

Have you tried the direct methods of(?):

Application.WindowState = wdWindowStateMaximize ...or...
ActiveWindow.View.FullScreen = True
...or
MySplashPage.Height = SysInfo1.WorkAreaHeight MySplashPage.Width =
SysInfo1.WorkAreaWidth MySplashPage.Top = SysInfo1.WorkAreaTop
MySplashPage.Left = SysInfo1.WorkAreaLeft ...and then center the your form

I have not tested this as it has been a while since I have done anything in
Access.

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Friday, April 20, 2012 7:49 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Jumping Screen

Dear List:
 
This is getting serious now.  I made some changes to my A2003 product to fix
the problem of some of the forms not opening centered and maximized when
running the A2003 mde in A2007 and A2010. That problem is solved.
 
But now the forms jump unacceptably when the form is opened in the mde
version.
 
I tried to track it down by seeing if there's an event that's causing it.
So I put message Boxes in all the likely suspect events in just one form -
the Main Menu (figure if I can solve for this one form, I can do all).
 
Now in this application, whenever I go to a new form I close the calling
form - stops the user from navigating the open windows instead of my
carefully crafted menus. :)c
 
The ADH code for  resizing and other housekeeping functions is in the Open
event (I tried moving this to the Load event - no difference).  None of the
other events mentioned here have code except for the MsgBox.  When I open
the Main Menu then, here's the sequence of events:
 
Open
Resize
Load
Resize
Activate
Got Focus
Resize (after this one, the form actually appears) Lost Focus Current (no
record source on this menu - just a menu - at this point, part of the screen
shifts) Resize (big screen shift upwards) Resize (big screen shift
downwards)
 
So it's those last two resize events that are causing the jumping problem.
In the mdb - not so much.  In the mde - unacceptable.
 
Biggest problem - I don't know how to stop this behavior.
 
Any ideas are welcome.
 
MTIA
 
Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
858-259-4334
www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> www.e-z-mrp.com
<http://www.e-z-mrp.com/>
Skype: rocky.smolin
 

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From accessd at shaw.ca  Fri Apr 20 12:52:27 2012
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2012 10:52:27 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Jumping Screen
In-Reply-To: <72E43226BA374273AECCDE502D622DD6@HAL9007>
References: <97BC4AF631DB432798DFA85A1643D015@HAL9007><36D748525886463E8F4CA9C7BBDD25FC@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<72E43226BA374273AECCDE502D622DD6@HAL9007>
Message-ID: <938ADB0D3F144CBE9661D08AAA799A5B@creativesystemdesigns.com>

I am not sure.

Never used the DoCmd call where an Application or direct dll call was
available. Never timed these features but always assumed direct calls ran
faster and were less likely to be buggy.

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Friday, April 20, 2012 10:35 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Jumping Screen

Is there a difference between  Application.WindowState =
wdWindowStateMaximize and DoCmd.Maximize?Or between
ActiveWindow.View.FullScreen and DoCmd.Maximize?

Rocky



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Friday, April 20, 2012 10:15 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Jumping Screen

Have you tried the direct methods of(?):

Application.WindowState = wdWindowStateMaximize ...or...
ActiveWindow.View.FullScreen = True
...or
MySplashPage.Height = SysInfo1.WorkAreaHeight MySplashPage.Width =
SysInfo1.WorkAreaWidth MySplashPage.Top = SysInfo1.WorkAreaTop
MySplashPage.Left = SysInfo1.WorkAreaLeft ...and then center the your form

I have not tested this as it has been a while since I have done anything in
Access.

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Friday, April 20, 2012 7:49 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Jumping Screen

Dear List:
 
This is getting serious now.  I made some changes to my A2003 product to fix
the problem of some of the forms not opening centered and maximized when
running the A2003 mde in A2007 and A2010. That problem is solved.
 
But now the forms jump unacceptably when the form is opened in the mde
version.
 
I tried to track it down by seeing if there's an event that's causing it.
So I put message Boxes in all the likely suspect events in just one form -
the Main Menu (figure if I can solve for this one form, I can do all).
 
Now in this application, whenever I go to a new form I close the calling
form - stops the user from navigating the open windows instead of my
carefully crafted menus. :)c
 
The ADH code for  resizing and other housekeeping functions is in the Open
event (I tried moving this to the Load event - no difference).  None of the
other events mentioned here have code except for the MsgBox.  When I open
the Main Menu then, here's the sequence of events:
 
Open
Resize
Load
Resize
Activate
Got Focus
Resize (after this one, the form actually appears) Lost Focus Current (no
record source on this menu - just a menu - at this point, part of the screen
shifts) Resize (big screen shift upwards) Resize (big screen shift
downwards)
 
So it's those last two resize events that are causing the jumping problem.
In the mdb - not so much.  In the mde - unacceptable.
 
Biggest problem - I don't know how to stop this behavior.
 
Any ideas are welcome.
 
MTIA
 
Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
858-259-4334
www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> www.e-z-mrp.com
<http://www.e-z-mrp.com/>
Skype: rocky.smolin
 

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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Fri Apr 20 22:33:03 2012
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2012 20:33:03 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Jumping Screen
In-Reply-To: <36D748525886463E8F4CA9C7BBDD25FC@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <97BC4AF631DB432798DFA85A1643D015@HAL9007>
	<36D748525886463E8F4CA9C7BBDD25FC@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <50232530AC1F4A09AB40438DC73C84C5@HAL9007>


Application.WindowState = wdWindowStateMaximize  won't compile - says
wdWindowStateMaximize is not defined.  When I replace wdWindowStateMaximize
with 2 then .WindowsState method or data member not found.

In ActiveWindow.View.FullScreen = True compiler says .View is an invalid
qualifier.

An alternative to DoCmd.Maximize has promise - maybe another method of
maximizing will stop those last two Resizes.  But I need some syntax that
the compiler likes.

Rocky

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Friday, April 20, 2012 10:15 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Jumping Screen

Have you tried the direct methods of(?):

Application.WindowState = wdWindowStateMaximize ...or...
ActiveWindow.View.FullScreen = True
...or
MySplashPage.Height = SysInfo1.WorkAreaHeight MySplashPage.Width =
SysInfo1.WorkAreaWidth MySplashPage.Top = SysInfo1.WorkAreaTop
MySplashPage.Left = SysInfo1.WorkAreaLeft ...and then center the your form

I have not tested this as it has been a while since I have done anything in
Access.

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Friday, April 20, 2012 7:49 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Jumping Screen

Dear List:
 
This is getting serious now.  I made some changes to my A2003 product to fix
the problem of some of the forms not opening centered and maximized when
running the A2003 mde in A2007 and A2010. That problem is solved.
 
But now the forms jump unacceptably when the form is opened in the mde
version.
 
I tried to track it down by seeing if there's an event that's causing it.
So I put message Boxes in all the likely suspect events in just one form -
the Main Menu (figure if I can solve for this one form, I can do all).
 
Now in this application, whenever I go to a new form I close the calling
form - stops the user from navigating the open windows instead of my
carefully crafted menus. :)c
 
The ADH code for  resizing and other housekeeping functions is in the Open
event (I tried moving this to the Load event - no difference).  None of the
other events mentioned here have code except for the MsgBox.  When I open
the Main Menu then, here's the sequence of events:
 
Open
Resize
Load
Resize
Activate
Got Focus
Resize (after this one, the form actually appears) Lost Focus Current (no
record source on this menu - just a menu - at this point, part of the screen
shifts) Resize (big screen shift upwards) Resize (big screen shift
downwards)
 
So it's those last two resize events that are causing the jumping problem.
In the mdb - not so much.  In the mde - unacceptable.
 
Biggest problem - I don't know how to stop this behavior.
 
Any ideas are welcome.
 
MTIA
 
Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
858-259-4334
www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> www.e-z-mrp.com
<http://www.e-z-mrp.com/>
Skype: rocky.smolin
 

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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sat Apr 21 08:08:15 2012
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2012 09:08:15 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Jumping Screen
In-Reply-To: <50232530AC1F4A09AB40438DC73C84C5@HAL9007>
References: <97BC4AF631DB432798DFA85A1643D015@HAL9007>
	<36D748525886463E8F4CA9C7BBDD25FC@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<50232530AC1F4A09AB40438DC73C84C5@HAL9007>
Message-ID: <4F92B13F.3060102@colbyconsulting.com>

When my forms jump around like that it is often because I have left a toolbar active which has to be 
removed by Access / windows.  Make sure that every form has all toolbars unchecked at design time 
before you save them  Then open and maximize.  If there are any toolbars, Access opens the form with 
the toolbar, then removes the toolbar and resizes.  Lots of jumping around.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 4/20/2012 11:33 PM, Rocky Smolin wrote:
>
> Application.WindowState = wdWindowStateMaximize  won't compile - says
> wdWindowStateMaximize is not defined.  When I replace wdWindowStateMaximize
> with 2 then .WindowsState method or data member not found.
>
> In ActiveWindow.View.FullScreen = True compiler says .View is an invalid
> qualifier.
>
> An alternative to DoCmd.Maximize has promise - maybe another method of
> maximizing will stop those last two Resizes.  But I need some syntax that
> the compiler likes.
>
> Rocky
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
> Sent: Friday, April 20, 2012 10:15 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Jumping Screen
>
> Have you tried the direct methods of(?):
>
> Application.WindowState = wdWindowStateMaximize ...or...
> ActiveWindow.View.FullScreen = True
> ...or
> MySplashPage.Height = SysInfo1.WorkAreaHeight MySplashPage.Width =
> SysInfo1.WorkAreaWidth MySplashPage.Top = SysInfo1.WorkAreaTop
> MySplashPage.Left = SysInfo1.WorkAreaLeft ...and then center the your form
>
> I have not tested this as it has been a while since I have done anything in
> Access.
>
> Jim
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
> Sent: Friday, April 20, 2012 7:49 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: [AccessD] Jumping Screen
>
> Dear List:
>
> This is getting serious now.  I made some changes to my A2003 product to fix
> the problem of some of the forms not opening centered and maximized when
> running the A2003 mde in A2007 and A2010. That problem is solved.
>
> But now the forms jump unacceptably when the form is opened in the mde
> version.
>
> I tried to track it down by seeing if there's an event that's causing it.
> So I put message Boxes in all the likely suspect events in just one form -
> the Main Menu (figure if I can solve for this one form, I can do all).
>
> Now in this application, whenever I go to a new form I close the calling
> form - stops the user from navigating the open windows instead of my
> carefully crafted menus. :)c
>
> The ADH code for  resizing and other housekeeping functions is in the Open
> event (I tried moving this to the Load event - no difference).  None of the
> other events mentioned here have code except for the MsgBox.  When I open
> the Main Menu then, here's the sequence of events:
>
> Open
> Resize
> Load
> Resize
> Activate
> Got Focus
> Resize (after this one, the form actually appears) Lost Focus Current (no
> record source on this menu - just a menu - at this point, part of the screen
> shifts) Resize (big screen shift upwards) Resize (big screen shift
> downwards)
>
> So it's those last two resize events that are causing the jumping problem.
> In the mdb - not so much.  In the mde - unacceptable.
>
> Biggest problem - I don't know how to stop this behavior.
>
> Any ideas are welcome.
>
> MTIA
>
> Rocky Smolin
> Beach Access Software
> 858-259-4334
> www.bchacc.com<http://www.bchacc.com/>  www.e-z-mrp.com
> <http://www.e-z-mrp.com/>
> Skype: rocky.smolin
>
>
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Sat Apr 21 10:13:08 2012
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2012 08:13:08 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Jumping Screen
In-Reply-To: <50232530AC1F4A09AB40438DC73C84C5@HAL9007>
References: <97BC4AF631DB432798DFA85A1643D015@HAL9007><36D748525886463E8F4CA9C7BBDD25FC@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<50232530AC1F4A09AB40438DC73C84C5@HAL9007>
Message-ID: <D468CC7DDC184B4D8CC0D5F9B3A9B2ED@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Sorry about that...I told I hadn't done anything in Access for a while...now
if you help on a web page to do the same thing!? :-)

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Friday, April 20, 2012 8:33 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Jumping Screen


Application.WindowState = wdWindowStateMaximize  won't compile - says
wdWindowStateMaximize is not defined.  When I replace wdWindowStateMaximize
with 2 then .WindowsState method or data member not found.

In ActiveWindow.View.FullScreen = True compiler says .View is an invalid
qualifier.

An alternative to DoCmd.Maximize has promise - maybe another method of
maximizing will stop those last two Resizes.  But I need some syntax that
the compiler likes.

Rocky

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Friday, April 20, 2012 10:15 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Jumping Screen

Have you tried the direct methods of(?):

Application.WindowState = wdWindowStateMaximize ...or...
ActiveWindow.View.FullScreen = True
...or
MySplashPage.Height = SysInfo1.WorkAreaHeight MySplashPage.Width =
SysInfo1.WorkAreaWidth MySplashPage.Top = SysInfo1.WorkAreaTop
MySplashPage.Left = SysInfo1.WorkAreaLeft ...and then center the your form

I have not tested this as it has been a while since I have done anything in
Access.

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Friday, April 20, 2012 7:49 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Jumping Screen

Dear List:
 
This is getting serious now.  I made some changes to my A2003 product to fix
the problem of some of the forms not opening centered and maximized when
running the A2003 mde in A2007 and A2010. That problem is solved.
 
But now the forms jump unacceptably when the form is opened in the mde
version.
 
I tried to track it down by seeing if there's an event that's causing it.
So I put message Boxes in all the likely suspect events in just one form -
the Main Menu (figure if I can solve for this one form, I can do all).
 
Now in this application, whenever I go to a new form I close the calling
form - stops the user from navigating the open windows instead of my
carefully crafted menus. :)c
 
The ADH code for  resizing and other housekeeping functions is in the Open
event (I tried moving this to the Load event - no difference).  None of the
other events mentioned here have code except for the MsgBox.  When I open
the Main Menu then, here's the sequence of events:
 
Open
Resize
Load
Resize
Activate
Got Focus
Resize (after this one, the form actually appears) Lost Focus Current (no
record source on this menu - just a menu - at this point, part of the screen
shifts) Resize (big screen shift upwards) Resize (big screen shift
downwards)
 
So it's those last two resize events that are causing the jumping problem.
In the mdb - not so much.  In the mde - unacceptable.
 
Biggest problem - I don't know how to stop this behavior.
 
Any ideas are welcome.
 
MTIA
 
Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
858-259-4334
www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> www.e-z-mrp.com
<http://www.e-z-mrp.com/>
Skype: rocky.smolin
 

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From BradM at blackforestltd.com  Sat Apr 21 18:50:03 2012
From: BradM at blackforestltd.com (Brad Marks)
Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2012 18:50:03 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Access 2010 Problem ? Exporting a Report (with
	Sub-Reports) to a PDF file
References: <1CF20DB644BE124083B31638E5D5C023DA1F47@exch2.Onappsad.net><E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C59FEB15@blkltd.blkfst2003.local><005601cd1d09$a0594ad0$e10be070$@gmail.com><E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C59FEB16@blkltd.blkfst2003.local><1CF20DB644BE124083B31638E5D5C023DA1F4B@exch2.Onappsad.net><E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C59FEB17@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
	<CAGuQ9V4ToJxiVgWuVz_nOE188+0+BjWfkvpN79-FOw9M3bPoSg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C59FEB22@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>

All,

We have started to experiment with Access 2010 (Runtime) and have hit a strange problem.

We have an Access 2007 reporting application that runs nicely (both ?On Demand? reports via an Access form and ?Automated Reports? that are scheduled and are pushed out via PDF files attached to e-mails).

When the report is run (automated via Windows Scheduler) Access 2010 crashes.  The message we receive is ?Microsoft Access had encountered a problem and needs to close.  We are sorry for the inconvenience
 etc.)

The application was developed with Access 2007 and is being run with Access 2010 Runtime.

It seems to die when trying to export the report to a PDF file.

Other reports are successfully exported to PDF files by this same application.  The one report that doesn?t work is the only report with Sub-Reports, so I believe that the Sub-Reports are somehow related to the problem.

I am curious if anyone else has seen a problem with exporting an Access 2010 report (with sub-reports) to a PDF file.

Thanks,
Brad 

From marksimms at verizon.net  Sat Apr 21 20:10:47 2012
From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms)
Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2012 21:10:47 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Access 2010 Problem ? Exporting a Report
	(with	Sub-Reports) to a PDF file
In-Reply-To: <E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C59FEB22@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
References: <1CF20DB644BE124083B31638E5D5C023DA1F47@exch2.Onappsad.net><E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C59FEB15@blkltd.blkfst2003.local><005601cd1d09$a0594ad0$e10be070$@gmail.com><E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C59FEB16@blkltd.blkfst2003.local><1CF20DB644BE124083B31638E5D5C023DA1F4B@exch2.Onappsad.net><E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C59FEB17@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
	<CAGuQ9V4ToJxiVgWuVz_nOE188+0+BjWfkvpN79-FOw9M3bPoSg@mail.gmail.com>
	<E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C59FEB22@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
Message-ID: <001d01cd2024$c0c156a0$424403e0$@net>

Brad -My Take: Office 2010 SP1 : NOT EVEN CLOSE.
I've got 2 clients doing really INTENSE work with both Access and
Excel...2010
And the bugs are just beyond annoying. It's actually costing me money.
Attempts to contact MSFT regarding them...that "fails" as well.

It's now quite obvious that Balmer and company are only interested in the
NEXT release of Office which will support Smartphones running Windows 8.

And that, ladies and gentlemen, IS THAT.


> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-
> bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brad Marks
> Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2012 7:50 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] Access 2010 Problem ? Exporting a Report (with Sub-
> Reports) to a PDF file
>
> All,
>
> We have started to experiment with Access 2010 (Runtime) and have hit a
> strange problem.
>
> We have an Access 2007 reporting application that runs nicely (both "On
> Demand" reports via an Access form and "Automated Reports" that are
> scheduled and are pushed out via PDF files attached to e-mails).
>
> When the report is run (automated via Windows Scheduler) Access 2010
> crashes.  The message we receive is "Microsoft Access had encountered a
> problem and needs to close.  We are sorry for the inconvenience. etc.)
>
> The application was developed with Access 2007 and is being run with
> Access 2010 Runtime.
>
> It seems to die when trying to export the report to a PDF file.
>
> Other reports are successfully exported to PDF files by this same
> application.  The one report that doesn't work is the only report with
> Sub-Reports, so I believe that the Sub-Reports are somehow related to
> the problem.
>
> I am curious if anyone else has seen a problem with exporting an Access
> 2010 report (with sub-reports) to a PDF file.
>
> Thanks,
> Brad



From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Sat Apr 21 23:49:51 2012
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2012 21:49:51 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Access 2010 Problem ? Exporting a
	Report(with	Sub-Reports) to a PDF file
In-Reply-To: <001d01cd2024$c0c156a0$424403e0$@net>
References: <1CF20DB644BE124083B31638E5D5C023DA1F47@exch2.Onappsad.net><E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C59FEB15@blkltd.blkfst2003.local><005601cd1d09$a0594ad0$e10be070$@gmail.com><E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C59FEB16@blkltd.blkfst2003.local><1CF20DB644BE124083B31638E5D5C023DA1F4B@exch2.Onappsad.net><E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C59FEB17@blkltd.blkfst2003.local><CAGuQ9V4ToJxiVgWuVz_nOE188+0+BjWfkvpN79-FOw9M3bPoSg@mail.gmail.com><E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C59FEB22@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
	<001d01cd2024$c0c156a0$424403e0$@net>
Message-ID: <FFEB5895F14346338FB81873A84E6880@HAL9007>

Brad:

How are you creating your run-time in A2010?

Rocky



> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd- 
> bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brad Marks
> Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2012 7:50 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] Access 2010 Problem ? Exporting a Report (with Sub-
> Reports) to a PDF file
>
> All,
>
> We have started to experiment with Access 2010 (Runtime) and have hit 
> a strange problem.
>
> We have an Access 2007 reporting application that runs nicely (both 
> "On Demand" reports via an Access form and "Automated Reports" that 
> are scheduled and are pushed out via PDF files attached to e-mails).
>
> When the report is run (automated via Windows Scheduler) Access 2010 
> crashes.  The message we receive is "Microsoft Access had encountered 
> a problem and needs to close.  We are sorry for the inconvenience. 
> etc.)
>
> The application was developed with Access 2007 and is being run with 
> Access 2010 Runtime.
>
> It seems to die when trying to export the report to a PDF file.
>
> Other reports are successfully exported to PDF files by this same 
> application.  The one report that doesn't work is the only report with 
> Sub-Reports, so I believe that the Sub-Reports are somehow related to 
> the problem.
>
> I am curious if anyone else has seen a problem with exporting an 
> Access 2010 report (with sub-reports) to a PDF file.
>
> Thanks,
> Brad


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From BradM at blackforestltd.com  Sun Apr 22 07:01:18 2012
From: BradM at blackforestltd.com (Brad Marks)
Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2012 07:01:18 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Access 2010 Problem - Exporting a Report (with
	Sub-Reports) to a PDF file
References: <1CF20DB644BE124083B31638E5D5C023DA1F47@exch2.Onappsad.net><E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C59FEB15@blkltd.blkfst2003.local><005601cd1d09$a0594ad0$e10be070$@gmail.com><E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C59FEB16@blkltd.blkfst2003.local><1CF20DB644BE124083B31638E5D5C023DA1F4B@exch2.Onappsad.net><E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C59FEB17@blkltd.blkfst2003.local><CAGuQ9V4ToJxiVgWuVz_nOE188+0+BjWfkvpN79-FOw9M3bPoSg@mail.gmail.com><E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C59FEB22@blkltd.blkfst2003.local><001d01cd2024$c0c156a0$424403e0$@net>
	<FFEB5895F14346338FB81873A84E6880@HAL9007>
Message-ID: <E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C59FEB23@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>

Rocky,

Thanks for the help.

In your post, you asked "How are you creating your run-time in A2010?"

We only have Access 2007 for development.  

We rename the accdb file to accdr and then open the accdr via Access 2010 Runtime.

I thought that this would work, and it does work fine except for one single report
(The only report with sub-reports).  This report is generated fine.  It appears to cause Access 2010 to crash when we try to export the report to a PDF file.

All of the other reports work nicely, as far as I know.

Thanks again,

Brad





-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com on behalf of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Sat 4/21/2012 11:49 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access 2010 Problem ? Exporting aReport(with	Sub-Reports) to a PDF file
 
Brad:

How are you creating your run-time in A2010?

Rocky



> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd- 
> bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brad Marks
> Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2012 7:50 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] Access 2010 Problem ? Exporting a Report (with Sub-
> Reports) to a PDF file
>
> All,
>
> We have started to experiment with Access 2010 (Runtime) and have hit 
> a strange problem.
>
> We have an Access 2007 reporting application that runs nicely (both 
> "On Demand" reports via an Access form and "Automated Reports" that 
> are scheduled and are pushed out via PDF files attached to e-mails).
>
> When the report is run (automated via Windows Scheduler) Access 2010 
> crashes.  The message we receive is "Microsoft Access had encountered 
> a problem and needs to close.  We are sorry for the inconvenience. 
> etc.)
>
> The application was developed with Access 2007 and is being run with 
> Access 2010 Runtime.
>
> It seems to die when trying to export the report to a PDF file.
>
> Other reports are successfully exported to PDF files by this same 
> application.  The one report that doesn't work is the only report with 
> Sub-Reports, so I believe that the Sub-Reports are somehow related to 
> the problem.
>
> I am curious if anyone else has seen a problem with exporting an 
> Access 2010 report (with sub-reports) to a PDF file.
>
> Thanks,
> Brad


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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Sun Apr 22 07:20:55 2012
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2012 05:20:55 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Access 2010 Problem - Exporting a Report
	(withSub-Reports) to a PDF file
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I guess it was the Access 2010 runtime I was interested in figuring out how
to do.  I'm still struggling with this jumping screen problem.  I have been
using the 2003 the Wise/Sagekey combo but if I can deploy a 2010 runtime I
think that would solve the problem.  I don't get the jumping in 2010.

I could save the mdb as a accdb or whatever 2010 uses, create the runtime,
and distribute that.  

Does anyone know if there's a link to a white paper or something that
describes the process?

MTIA

Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
858-259-4334
www.bchacc.com
www.e-z-mrp.com
Skype: rocky.smolin
 


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brad Marks
Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2012 5:01 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access 2010 Problem - Exporting a Report
(withSub-Reports) to a PDF file

Rocky,

Thanks for the help.

In your post, you asked "How are you creating your run-time in A2010?"

We only have Access 2007 for development.  

We rename the accdb file to accdr and then open the accdr via Access 2010
Runtime.

I thought that this would work, and it does work fine except for one single
report (The only report with sub-reports).  This report is generated fine.
It appears to cause Access 2010 to crash when we try to export the report to
a PDF file.

All of the other reports work nicely, as far as I know.

Thanks again,

Brad





-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com on behalf of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Sat 4/21/2012 11:49 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access 2010 Problem ? Exporting aReport(with
Sub-Reports) to a PDF file
 
Brad:

How are you creating your run-time in A2010?

Rocky



> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd- 
> bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brad Marks
> Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2012 7:50 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] Access 2010 Problem ? Exporting a Report (with Sub-
> Reports) to a PDF file
>
> All,
>
> We have started to experiment with Access 2010 (Runtime) and have hit 
> a strange problem.
>
> We have an Access 2007 reporting application that runs nicely (both 
> "On Demand" reports via an Access form and "Automated Reports" that 
> are scheduled and are pushed out via PDF files attached to e-mails).
>
> When the report is run (automated via Windows Scheduler) Access 2010 
> crashes.  The message we receive is "Microsoft Access had encountered 
> a problem and needs to close.  We are sorry for the inconvenience.
> etc.)
>
> The application was developed with Access 2007 and is being run with 
> Access 2010 Runtime.
>
> It seems to die when trying to export the report to a PDF file.
>
> Other reports are successfully exported to PDF files by this same 
> application.  The one report that doesn't work is the only report with 
> Sub-Reports, so I believe that the Sub-Reports are somehow related to 
> the problem.
>
> I am curious if anyone else has seen a problem with exporting an 
> Access 2010 report (with sub-reports) to a PDF file.
>
> Thanks,
> Brad


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From hans.andersen at phulse.com  Sun Apr 22 12:45:08 2012
From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen)
Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2012 10:45:08 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] The coming in-memory database tipping point. - SQL
	Server Team Blog - Site Home - TechNet Blogs
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> Evolution promises to give all desirable traits, then doesn't deliver.

This is not completely accurate. Evolution, in the basic sense, is the process whereby a species is able to adapt in order to survive and fight another day. Evolution is a description of the mechanism behind that process. It is not an actual guiding entity or force.

Think of it as programming code. Not all your code is going to be perfectly clean and ideal. When times are good, you will probably get a bit lazy and output code that is not exactly optimal (but it works). However, some sort of selective pressure occurs and the market suddenly decides that it really needs X feature. While many companies are losing money, because they aren't able to quickly adapt to this new reality, your code, while not optimal, happens to be well positioned to adapt to this with a few tweaks. It's a fluke, but such is life - a grand game of roulette.

With any game of chance, the winners always have the impression that they were somehow in control and this was predetermined, but that is an illusion.

History is written by the victors, after all. There is no promise, so to speak.

Hans




On 2012-04-17, at 6:49 AM, Michael Mattys wrote:

> Viruses, however, are not living entities; they do not have life.
> Neither do we for that matter, we have temporary chemical existence based
> upon life.
> Neither 'germs' nor viruses 'evolve,' they mutate and adapt in programmatic
> precision. 
> Evolution promises to give all desirable traits, then doesn't deliver.
> 
> Michael R Mattys
> Mattys Consulting, LLC
> www.mattysconsulting.com
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
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> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
> Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 9:02 AM
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> Subject: Re: [AccessD] FW: The coming in-memory database tipping point. -
> SQL Server Team Blog - Site Home - TechNet Blogs
> 
> Interesting article BTW.  Quite obvious once digested.
> 
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
> 
> Reality is what refuses to go away
> when you do not believe in it
> 
> On 4/16/2012 12:47 PM, Michael Mattys wrote:
>> In the Matrix, 1999, Morpheus says:
>> If real is what you can feel, smell, taste and see, then 'real' is 
>> simply electrical signals interpreted by your brain.
>> And, course, Agent Smith's speech about humans being a virus
>> 
>> Here's an interesting article: 'Evolution from a virus's view'
>> http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrary/news/071201_adenovirus
>> 
>> Michael R Mattys
>> Mattys Consulting, LLC
>> www.mattysconsulting.com
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From hans.andersen at phulse.com  Sun Apr 22 13:10:38 2012
From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen)
Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2012 11:10:38 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] The coming in-memory database tipping point. - SQL
	Server Team Blog - Site Home - TechNet Blogs
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I guess you could say that, but I'd characterise it more like that Einsteins theories were more of a refinement of Netwons, while M theory (or more popularly known as string theory) is more like an attempt to describe everything that we currently know and fusing/combining many different branches of modern physics that have, up to this point, seemed impossible (having a unified theory that describes the very small (ie. quantum physics and subatomic forces) together with great but weak forces (such as gravity and space time)).

It's a lot more ambitious, at any rate. We know that Einstein is correct and we know that the standard model keeps on delivering time and time again, so the idea is to try to describe everything knowing what we currently know.

Hans



On 2012-04-16, at 5:13 PM, Stuart McLachlan wrote:

> In this case, I don't think that "flawed" is the right word.  "Simplistic" would be better.
> 
> Newton's approach is a simplified model of reality,  which matches  observations  within 
> certain constraints.   It is only beyond those constraints that newtonian laws break down.
> 
> Einsteins approach is a more complex model, which widens those constraints.  Current 
> string/multiverse/brane approaches are more complex again and further widen those 
> constraints.  
> 
> Each appears to be getting closer to reality, but whether we will ever get there is another 
> matter.
> 
> -- 
> Stuart 
> 
> On 16 Apr 2012 at 23:59, Darryl Collins wrote:
> 
>> *shrugs*....  I have to agree with you.  Actually we already know this
>> from Physics.  Newton's approach to time, space and gravity 'seems'
>> right to us as it is so much more intuitive, and indeed even works -
>> we still use it today, but Einstein showed it is flawed and reality is
>> nothing like we 'believe' it to be.  
>> 
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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Sun Apr 22 14:20:33 2012
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2012 15:20:33 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] The coming in-memory database tipping point. - SQL
 Server Team Blog - Site Home - TechNet Blogs
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I don't think that your description of evolution is correct. It is a
process by which a species adapts, but those adaptations are by and large
random changes. Some of them survive and procreate, others do not.
"Survival of the fittest" has been co-opted by various political segments,
mostly on the right wing, from Ayn Rand onwards, and misconstrued to mean
fittest as in the sense of physical or even mental fitness, but that's not
what it means, strictly speaking. It means survival in the face of
sometimes cataclysmic changes such as an Ice Age, global warming, or the
disappearance of species such as the shark and tuna, now decimated by
over-fishing (90% of the world's tuna have been killed in the last 30
years, with who knows what consequences).

If Stephen Jay Gould's model of Punctuated Equilibrium proves accurate,
evolution is gradual but also punctuated by sudden and dramatic shifts, as
evinced by the astonishing finds at the Burgess Shale. At the time those
fossils were formed, there were 20 phyla on earth. Now there are only 5. A
period of wild experimentation led mostly to literally dead ends, and a few
survived, not because they wanted to or adapted in some intelligent
fashion, but because their adaptations proved to be useful in the changing
environment.

As for the evolution of scientific thought, I agree with you. Occasionally
the paradigm does shift dramatically, but most of the time it's a process
of gradual refinement and refutation.

A.

On Sun, Apr 22, 2012 at 2:10 PM, Hans-Christian Andersen <
hans.andersen at phulse.com> wrote:

>
> I guess you could say that, but I'd characterise it more like that
> Einsteins theories were more of a refinement of Netwons, while M theory (or
> more popularly known as string theory) is more like an attempt to describe
> everything that we currently know and fusing/combining many different
> branches of modern physics that have, up to this point, seemed impossible
> (having a unified theory that describes the very small (ie. quantum physics
> and subatomic forces) together with great but weak forces (such as gravity
> and space time)).
>
> It's a lot more ambitious, at any rate. We know that Einstein is correct
> and we know that the standard model keeps on delivering time and time
> again, so the idea is to try to describe everything knowing what we
> currently know.
>
> Hans
>
>
>

From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Sun Apr 22 16:38:45 2012
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 07:38:45 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] The coming in-memory database tipping point. - SQL
	Server Team Blog - Site Home - TechNet Blogs
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References: <4F8B8CF4.8030804@colbyconsulting.com>,
	<94F2042E-A748-4DCE-904F-AC144C874784@phulse.com>,
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It's even more nuanced that that.

If a random mutation is favourable within the existing environmental conditions, those 
possessing the mutation will either survive to breed longer or breed more successfully that 
those without it.  In either case they will have above average numbers of offspring, even if 
only marginally.   Over time that above average number of offspring will mean that more and 
more of the population contain the mutation, eventually completely displacing those without it.

The converse applied to disadvantageous mutations.

It is also worth noting that a change in environmental conditions can turn a "bad" mutation ito 
a "good" one and vice versa (or turn a "good" or "bad" mutation into a neutral one).


-- 
Stuart

On 22 Apr 2012 at 15:20, Arthur Fuller wrote:

> I don't think that your description of evolution is correct. It is a
> process by which a species adapts, but those adaptations are by and large
> random changes. Some of them survive and procreate, others do not.


From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au  Sun Apr 22 18:41:54 2012
From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins)
Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2012 23:41:54 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] The coming in-memory database tipping point. -
	SQL	Server Team Blog - Site Home - TechNet Blogs
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Excellent thread, albeit wildly OT - I am still enjoying it.

I will also add that these changes take time usually over enormous periods of time.  I always get a laugh from folks who say that evolution is not real as they cannot see it happening, or if it were real then global warming would not be a problem as life would adapt.  They don't understand that the speed of the change plays a major role too - Hell if the dinosaurs could have only adapted faster to that impact, well thinks might be different around here. 

Usually when we are talking 'speed' on these sort of time scales it might be hundreds of years, rather than tens of thousands.  Some folks seem to think it means next week....

Oh well...  Can lead them to knowledge, can't make 'em think...



-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Monday, 23 April 2012 7:39 AM
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Subject: Re: [AccessD] The coming in-memory database tipping point. - SQL Server Team Blog - Site Home - TechNet Blogs

It's even more nuanced that that.

If a random mutation is favourable within the existing environmental conditions, those possessing the mutation will either survive to breed longer or breed more successfully that those without it.  In either case they will have above average numbers of offspring, even if 
only marginally.   Over time that above average number of offspring will mean that more and 
more of the population contain the mutation, eventually completely displacing those without it.

The converse applied to disadvantageous mutations.

It is also worth noting that a change in environmental conditions can turn a "bad" mutation ito a "good" one and vice versa (or turn a "good" or "bad" mutation into a neutral one).


-- 
Stuart

On 22 Apr 2012 at 15:20, Arthur Fuller wrote:

> I don't think that your description of evolution is correct. It is a
> process by which a species adapts, but those adaptations are by and large
> random changes. Some of them survive and procreate, others do not.

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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Sun Apr 22 19:07:19 2012
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2012 20:07:19 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] The coming in-memory database tipping point. - SQL
 Server Team Blog - Site Home - TechNet Blogs
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References: <4F8B8CF4.8030804@colbyconsulting.com>
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Since we're wildly off topic, you reminded me of one of the best puns I've
ever encountered, with three layers:

"You can lead a whore to culture, but you can't make her think."
A.

On Sun, Apr 22, 2012 at 7:41 PM, Darryl Collins <
darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au> wrote:

> Oh well...  Can lead them to knowledge, can't make 'em think...
>
>
>

From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Sun Apr 22 19:20:35 2012
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 10:20:35 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] The coming in-memory database tipping point. - SQL
	Server Team Blog - Site Home - TechNet Blogs
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References: <4F8B8CF4.8030804@colbyconsulting.com>,
	<4F947A65.32416.373FF104@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>,
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Message-ID: <4F94A053.12915.37D418A3@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

Tell them to look at domestic and farm animal breeds (especially dogs) if they want to see 
evolution in action.

On 22 Apr 2012 at 23:41, Darryl Collins wrote:

> 
> I will also add that these changes take time usually over enormous
> periods of time.  I always get a laugh from folks who say that
> evolution is not real as they cannot see it happening, or if it were
> real then global warming would not be a problem as life would adapt. 
> They don't understand that the speed of the change plays a major role
> too - Hell if the dinosaurs could have only adapted faster to that
> impact, well thinks might be different around here. 
> 


From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au  Sun Apr 22 19:48:31 2012
From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins)
Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 00:48:31 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] The coming in-memory database tipping point. - SQL
 Server Team Blog - Site Home - TechNet Blogs
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1j1z8-8mGBD8a9066n7S5joHJ6cXzRLpUpDD8TNR9zLsw@mail.gmail.com>
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	<4F947A65.32416.373FF104@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
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Heh,... Yeah, I think that was actually a play on words - might have been May West(?) originally.  

I recall the line was along the lines of :

"Can you use the word Horticulture in a sentence MS West?"

And she replied "Yes - try 'You can lead a whore to culture, but you cannot make her think'...".
That was the gist of it anyway.
I guess Wikipedia can clear up any errors or Memory I have made :)

Even so - I do like that line a lot - most entertaining!
Cheers
Darryl.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Monday, 23 April 2012 10:07 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] The coming in-memory database tipping point. - SQL Server Team Blog - Site Home - TechNet Blogs

Since we're wildly off topic, you reminded me of one of the best puns I've ever encountered, with three layers:

"You can lead a whore to culture, but you can't make her think."
A.

On Sun, Apr 22, 2012 at 7:41 PM, Darryl Collins < darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au> wrote:

> Oh well...  Can lead them to knowledge, can't make 'em think...
>
>
>
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Sun Apr 22 20:15:29 2012
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2012 18:15:29 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Access 2010 Runtime
Message-ID: <B864E2BF6B304780BD2AA35115E5B30C@HAL9007>

If I download and use the Access 2010 Runtime to deploy an app and the user
installs it on a machine with Access 2003 or 2007, will this cause a
problem?
 
MTIA
 
Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
858-259-4334
www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> 
www.e-z-mrp.com <http://www.e-z-mrp.com/> 
Skype: rocky.smolin
 

From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sun Apr 22 20:43:18 2012
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2012 21:43:18 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] The coming in-memory database tipping point. - SQL
 Server Team Blog - Site Home - TechNet Blogs
In-Reply-To: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B50D8E7D8A@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
References: <4F8B8CF4.8030804@colbyconsulting.com>,
	<94F2042E-A748-4DCE-904F-AC144C874784@phulse.com>,
	<CAEPJO1hqLXnHz2ijRu+F4nLZ6DknL2dSFAjq1bqD-XoJ+mCRvQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<4F947A65.32416.373FF104@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B50D8E7D8A@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <4F94B3B6.3070003@colbyconsulting.com>

While we generally think of evolution time scales in thousands or millions of years, in fact all 
there is is now and evolution operates on a second by second basis.  Speed of reproduction rather 
than time span per se is really the determining factor for the speed of evolution.  IOW the number 
of offspring per unit of time.  Rabbits, who breed like ... well.. rabbits will evolve faster (adapt 
to changes) that some animal that has one offspring every few years (Elephants?).  Which is why 
insects and microorganisms adapt in the span of months or years to pesticides or house hold cleaners.

And mutations do not necessarily completely displace the original, or necessarily die off.  Blue 
eyes in humans for example are a mutation:

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/01/080130170343.htm

which shows no sign of dying out, nor taking over.  Given that the mutation occurred a mere 10,000 
years ago it could be argued that it will eventually (in a million years) prove to be a hindrance or 
assistance and affect survivability but that seems unlikely.

Did you know that there is now a laser treatment which can turn brown eyes blue?

http://www.popsci.com/technology/article/2011-11/laser-treatment-turns-your-eyes-brown-blue
http://www.usatoday.com/news/health/medical/health/medical/story/2011-11-08/Laser-treatment-may-turn-brown-eyes-blue/51126590/1

The things people will do...

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 4/22/2012 7:41 PM, Darryl Collins wrote:
> Excellent thread, albeit wildly OT - I am still enjoying it.
>
> I will also add that these changes take time usually over enormous periods of time.  I always get a laugh from folks who say that evolution is not real as they cannot see it happening, or if it were real then global warming would not be a problem as life would adapt.  They don't understand that the speed of the change plays a major role too - Hell if the dinosaurs could have only adapted faster to that impact, well thinks might be different around here.
>
> Usually when we are talking 'speed' on these sort of time scales it might be hundreds of years, rather than tens of thousands.  Some folks seem to think it means next week....
>
> Oh well...  Can lead them to knowledge, can't make 'em think...
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
> Sent: Monday, 23 April 2012 7:39 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] The coming in-memory database tipping point. - SQL Server Team Blog - Site Home - TechNet Blogs
>
> It's even more nuanced that that.
>
> If a random mutation is favourable within the existing environmental conditions, those possessing the mutation will either survive to breed longer or breed more successfully that those without it.  In either case they will have above average numbers of offspring, even if
> only marginally.   Over time that above average number of offspring will mean that more and
> more of the population contain the mutation, eventually completely displacing those without it.
>
> The converse applied to disadvantageous mutations.
>
> It is also worth noting that a change in environmental conditions can turn a "bad" mutation ito a "good" one and vice versa (or turn a "good" or "bad" mutation into a neutral one).
>
>


From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au  Sun Apr 22 21:55:39 2012
From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins)
Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 02:55:39 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] The coming in-memory database tipping point. - SQL
 Server Team Blog - Site Home - TechNet Blogs
In-Reply-To: <4F94B3B6.3070003@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4F8B8CF4.8030804@colbyconsulting.com>,
	<94F2042E-A748-4DCE-904F-AC144C874784@phulse.com>,
	<CAEPJO1hqLXnHz2ijRu+F4nLZ6DknL2dSFAjq1bqD-XoJ+mCRvQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<4F947A65.32416.373FF104@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B50D8E7D8A@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
	<4F94B3B6.3070003@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B50D8E7EA8@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>

Yeah, that is the funny thing, it is happening right now, every day, just slowly though.  Today the moon is still slowing drifting away from the Earth, the continents drifting around the surface of the planet, that stars galaxies are moving apart.  All life is a fully dynamic system - it is changing right now.  This is a bit of a weakness with the term "Climate Change" IMHO.  The climate is changing away - always has, always will - the question is "Is human activity impacting that change?".  But I guess in our throwaway news media we have today there is little time and space for actually asking the right question, especially if that question is complex.



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Monday, 23 April 2012 11:43 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] The coming in-memory database tipping point. - SQL Server Team Blog - Site Home - TechNet Blogs

While we generally think of evolution time scales in thousands or millions of years, in fact all there is is now and evolution operates on a second by second basis.  Speed of reproduction rather than time span per se is really the determining factor for the speed of evolution.  IOW the number of offspring per unit of time.  Rabbits, who breed like ... well.. rabbits will evolve faster (adapt to changes) that some animal that has one offspring every few years (Elephants?).  Which is why insects and microorganisms adapt in the span of months or years to pesticides or house hold cleaners.

And mutations do not necessarily completely displace the original, or necessarily die off.  Blue eyes in humans for example are a mutation:

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/01/080130170343.htm

which shows no sign of dying out, nor taking over.  Given that the mutation occurred a mere 10,000 years ago it could be argued that it will eventually (in a million years) prove to be a hindrance or assistance and affect survivability but that seems unlikely.

Did you know that there is now a laser treatment which can turn brown eyes blue?

http://www.popsci.com/technology/article/2011-11/laser-treatment-turns-your-eyes-brown-blue
http://www.usatoday.com/news/health/medical/health/medical/story/2011-11-08/Laser-treatment-may-turn-brown-eyes-blue/51126590/1

The things people will do...

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 4/22/2012 7:41 PM, Darryl Collins wrote:
> Excellent thread, albeit wildly OT - I am still enjoying it.
>
> I will also add that these changes take time usually over enormous periods of time.  I always get a laugh from folks who say that evolution is not real as they cannot see it happening, or if it were real then global warming would not be a problem as life would adapt.  They don't understand that the speed of the change plays a major role too - Hell if the dinosaurs could have only adapted faster to that impact, well thinks might be different around here.
>
> Usually when we are talking 'speed' on these sort of time scales it might be hundreds of years, rather than tens of thousands.  Some folks seem to think it means next week....
>
> Oh well...  Can lead them to knowledge, can't make 'em think...
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart 
> McLachlan
> Sent: Monday, 23 April 2012 7:39 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] The coming in-memory database tipping point. - 
> SQL Server Team Blog - Site Home - TechNet Blogs
>
> It's even more nuanced that that.
>
> If a random mutation is favourable within the existing environmental conditions, those possessing the mutation will either survive to breed longer or breed more successfully that those without it.  In either case they will have above average numbers of offspring, even if
> only marginally.   Over time that above average number of offspring will mean that more and
> more of the population contain the mutation, eventually completely displacing those without it.
>
> The converse applied to disadvantageous mutations.
>
> It is also worth noting that a change in environmental conditions can turn a "bad" mutation ito a "good" one and vice versa (or turn a "good" or "bad" mutation into a neutral one).
>
>

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From vbacreations at gmail.com  Sun Apr 22 22:02:17 2012
From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson (VBACreations.Com))
Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2012 23:02:17 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] The coming in-memory database tipping point. -
	SQL	Server Team Blog - Site Home - TechNet Blogs
In-Reply-To: <4F94A053.12915.37D418A3@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <4F8B8CF4.8030804@colbyconsulting.com>,
	<4F947A65.32416.373FF104@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>,
	<56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B50D8E7D8A@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
	<4F94A053.12915.37D418A3@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <004001cd20fd$7e69f3a0$7b3ddae0$@gmail.com>

I certainly can't agree with that at all, Stuart.

Unless you can extinguish (or at least sterilize) all other animals outside
those breeding environments, and unless you can guarantee all the offspring
and the offspring's offspring of those breeding subjects live up to or
beyond your definition of evolutionary scale ... then you cannot call that
evolution in action. As otherwise, there is no guarantee that either they
will breed on into the future rather than some massive infection (such as
based on human water supply) kills off the people and those domesticated
animals die off as a result, and all the ones in the wild continue the
evolution instead.

Evolution is about winners, not contenders. 

As a matter of fact, I think evolution (which I believe is morphing of
species, not among species) is nonsense anyway.

;-)
 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2012 8:21 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] The coming in-memory database tipping point. - SQL
Server Team Blog - Site Home - TechNet Blogs

Tell them to look at domestic and farm animal breeds (especially dogs) if
they want to see 
evolution in action.

On 22 Apr 2012 at 23:41, Darryl Collins wrote:

> 
> I will also add that these changes take time usually over enormous
> periods of time.  I always get a laugh from folks who say that
> evolution is not real as they cannot see it happening, or if it were
> real then global warming would not be a problem as life would adapt. 
> They don't understand that the speed of the change plays a major role
> too - Hell if the dinosaurs could have only adapted faster to that
> impact, well thinks might be different around here. 
> 

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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Mon Apr 23 08:40:05 2012
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 06:40:05 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] A2010 Deployment
Message-ID: <7E9AC5D662994FDA8DBB7C33EF89AF5A@HAL9007>

Dear List:
 
I saved my mdb to an accdb in A2010, compiled it to an accde, and used the
packaging wizard to create a run time.  
 
I copied the folder it created to a test be d box with no Office and ran it.
It installed OK but when I launch the app I get a message which starts "The
database cannot be opened because the VBA project contained in it cannot be
read."
 
I couldn't find anything helpful about this on the web except to check
references.
 
I checked my references - everything that has to reference Office 14  except
for 2:
 
1) Visual Basic for Applications - there are four references to this in the
reference list beside the one that is checked (- each points to a different
file
- VBAEN32.OLB
- MSVBM60.DLL
- VBAEND32.OLB
- VEN2232.OLB
 
2) Microsoft Visual Basic for Applications Extensibility 5.3 (no other
references in my list)
 
Does anyone know what that error message means and how to get this run-time
thing working?
 
MTIA
 
Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
858-259-4334
www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> 
www.e-z-mrp.com <http://www.e-z-mrp.com/> 
Skype: rocky.smolin
 

From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Mon Apr 23 08:42:43 2012
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 06:42:43 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] A2010 Deployment
In-Reply-To: <7E9AC5D662994FDA8DBB7C33EF89AF5A@HAL9007>
References: <7E9AC5D662994FDA8DBB7C33EF89AF5A@HAL9007>
Message-ID: <50EE707BBC97448D83B7D6A557DD95CB@HAL9007>

P.S.  On my A2010 box the accde runs jut fine.

R 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2012 6:40 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] A2010 Deployment

Dear List:
 
I saved my mdb to an accdb in A2010, compiled it to an accde, and used the
packaging wizard to create a run time.  
 
I copied the folder it created to a test be d box with no Office and ran it.
It installed OK but when I launch the app I get a message which starts "The
database cannot be opened because the VBA project contained in it cannot be
read."
 
I couldn't find anything helpful about this on the web except to check
references.
 
I checked my references - everything that has to reference Office 14  except
for 2:
 
1) Visual Basic for Applications - there are four references to this in the
reference list beside the one that is checked (- each points to a different
file
- VBAEN32.OLB
- MSVBM60.DLL
- VBAEND32.OLB
- VEN2232.OLB
 
2) Microsoft Visual Basic for Applications Extensibility 5.3 (no other
references in my list)
 
Does anyone know what that error message means and how to get this run-time
thing working?
 
MTIA
 
Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
858-259-4334
www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> www.e-z-mrp.com
<http://www.e-z-mrp.com/>
Skype: rocky.smolin
 


From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk  Mon Apr 23 08:52:44 2012
From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid)
Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 14:52:44 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] A2010 Deployment
In-Reply-To: <7E9AC5D662994FDA8DBB7C33EF89AF5A@HAL9007>
References: <7E9AC5D662994FDA8DBB7C33EF89AF5A@HAL9007>
Message-ID: <631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB082957BBB318BF6@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk>

Rocky
Is this helpful

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/2533794


versions of vbE7.dll may be different on the two systems?

Martin


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: 23 April 2012 14:40
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] A2010 Deployment

Dear List:
 
I saved my mdb to an accdb in A2010, compiled it to an accde, and used the packaging wizard to create a run time.  
 
I copied the folder it created to a test be d box with no Office and ran it.
It installed OK but when I launch the app I get a message which starts "The database cannot be opened because the VBA project contained in it cannot be read."
 
I couldn't find anything helpful about this on the web except to check references.
 
I checked my references - everything that has to reference Office 14  except for 2:
 
1) Visual Basic for Applications - there are four references to this in the reference list beside the one that is checked (- each points to a different file
- VBAEN32.OLB
- MSVBM60.DLL
- VBAEND32.OLB
- VEN2232.OLB
 
2) Microsoft Visual Basic for Applications Extensibility 5.3 (no other references in my list)
 
Does anyone know what that error message means and how to get this run-time thing working?
 
MTIA
 
Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
858-259-4334
www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> www.e-z-mrp.com <http://www.e-z-mrp.com/>
Skype: rocky.smolin
 


From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Mon Apr 23 09:16:10 2012
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 07:16:10 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] A2010 Deployment
In-Reply-To: <631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB082957BBB318BF6@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk>
References: <7E9AC5D662994FDA8DBB7C33EF89AF5A@HAL9007>
	<631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB082957BBB318BF6@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <4A604181F3274616B5E223BD49545DC9@HAL9007>

Some possibilities there.  Thanks.

Rocky
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Martin Reid
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2012 6:53 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2010 Deployment

Rocky
Is this helpful

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/2533794


versions of vbE7.dll may be different on the two systems?

Martin


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: 23 April 2012 14:40
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] A2010 Deployment

Dear List:
 
I saved my mdb to an accdb in A2010, compiled it to an accde, and used the
packaging wizard to create a run time.  
 
I copied the folder it created to a test be d box with no Office and ran it.
It installed OK but when I launch the app I get a message which starts "The
database cannot be opened because the VBA project contained in it cannot be
read."
 
I couldn't find anything helpful about this on the web except to check
references.
 
I checked my references - everything that has to reference Office 14  except
for 2:
 
1) Visual Basic for Applications - there are four references to this in the
reference list beside the one that is checked (- each points to a different
file
- VBAEN32.OLB
- MSVBM60.DLL
- VBAEND32.OLB
- VEN2232.OLB
 
2) Microsoft Visual Basic for Applications Extensibility 5.3 (no other
references in my list)
 
Does anyone know what that error message means and how to get this run-time
thing working?
 
MTIA
 
Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
858-259-4334
www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> www.e-z-mrp.com
<http://www.e-z-mrp.com/>
Skype: rocky.smolin
 

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From BradM at blackforestltd.com  Mon Apr 23 09:43:11 2012
From: BradM at blackforestltd.com (Brad Marks)
Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 09:43:11 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] A2010 Deployment
References: <7E9AC5D662994FDA8DBB7C33EF89AF5A@HAL9007><631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB082957BBB318BF6@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk>
	<4A604181F3274616B5E223BD49545DC9@HAL9007>
Message-ID: <E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C59FEB25@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>

All,

As I understand things...

1. An application developed with Access 2007 should run under Access 2010 (either Full or Runtime).

2. An application developed with Access 2010 will run under Access 2007 if none of the new "2010 features" are used.

Are both of these correct?


Thanks,
Brad 



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com on behalf of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Mon 4/23/2012 9:16 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2010 Deployment
 
Some possibilities there.  Thanks.

Rocky
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Martin Reid
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2012 6:53 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2010 Deployment

Rocky
Is this helpful

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/2533794


versions of vbE7.dll may be different on the two systems?

Martin


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: 23 April 2012 14:40
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] A2010 Deployment

Dear List:
 
I saved my mdb to an accdb in A2010, compiled it to an accde, and used the
packaging wizard to create a run time.  
 
I copied the folder it created to a test be d box with no Office and ran it.
It installed OK but when I launch the app I get a message which starts "The
database cannot be opened because the VBA project contained in it cannot be
read."
 
I couldn't find anything helpful about this on the web except to check
references.
 
I checked my references - everything that has to reference Office 14  except
for 2:
 
1) Visual Basic for Applications - there are four references to this in the
reference list beside the one that is checked (- each points to a different
file
- VBAEN32.OLB
- MSVBM60.DLL
- VBAEND32.OLB
- VEN2232.OLB
 
2) Microsoft Visual Basic for Applications Extensibility 5.3 (no other
references in my list)
 
Does anyone know what that error message means and how to get this run-time
thing working?
 
MTIA
 
Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
858-259-4334
www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> www.e-z-mrp.com
<http://www.e-z-mrp.com/>
Skype: rocky.smolin
 

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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Mon Apr 23 10:02:27 2012
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 08:02:27 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] A2010 Deployment
In-Reply-To: <631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB082957BBB318BF6@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk>
References: <7E9AC5D662994FDA8DBB7C33EF89AF5A@HAL9007>
	<631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB082957BBB318BF6@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <695557C457B5480CB95D540F6BB801C7@HAL9007>

For a test I ran the packaging with the accdb and put it on the test bed
box.  I have references to both Outlook and Excel in this app and the
run-time does not include them.  So when I started the deployed app I got a
broken reference problem. 

What's the workaround for that?  Anything easier than rewriting the system
for late binding?

TIA

Rocky


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Martin Reid
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2012 6:53 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2010 Deployment

Rocky
Is this helpful

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/2533794


versions of vbE7.dll may be different on the two systems?

Martin


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: 23 April 2012 14:40
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] A2010 Deployment

Dear List:
 
I saved my mdb to an accdb in A2010, compiled it to an accde, and used the
packaging wizard to create a run time.  
 
I copied the folder it created to a test be d box with no Office and ran it.
It installed OK but when I launch the app I get a message which starts "The
database cannot be opened because the VBA project contained in it cannot be
read."
 
I couldn't find anything helpful about this on the web except to check
references.
 
I checked my references - everything that has to reference Office 14  except
for 2:
 
1) Visual Basic for Applications - there are four references to this in the
reference list beside the one that is checked (- each points to a different
file
- VBAEN32.OLB
- MSVBM60.DLL
- VBAEND32.OLB
- VEN2232.OLB
 
2) Microsoft Visual Basic for Applications Extensibility 5.3 (no other
references in my list)
 
Does anyone know what that error message means and how to get this run-time
thing working?
 
MTIA
 
Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
858-259-4334
www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> www.e-z-mrp.com
<http://www.e-z-mrp.com/>
Skype: rocky.smolin
 

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From kismert at gmail.com  Mon Apr 23 10:42:29 2012
From: kismert at gmail.com (Kenneth Ismert)
Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 10:42:29 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] The coming in-memory database tipping point. - SQL
 Server Team Blog - Site Home - TechNet Blogs
Message-ID: <CAMEw5yV6Y62yT4ttvf=WCv08w6D-64rUJ6e3+dSvPMdRzBN8_g@mail.gmail.com>

>
> William Benson:
>
> ... unless you can guarantee all the offspring ... live up to or beyond

your definition of evolutionary scale ... then you cannot call that
> evolution in action.


There are no guarantees of survival in evolution ... that is one of its
principal points. What is inarguable is that change is constantly
happening, in environment, expression of certain genes, suppression of
others, and mutations.

Evolution is about winners, not contenders.
>

I would say that that if you are a contender, you are a winner -- at least
for now. You have a chit in the game, and are succeeding in your niche. If
your survival strategy continues to work, your species/particular genetic
expression/mutation flourishes; if not, you diminish.

Besides, at a large enough time scale, everybody loses. All species go
extinct. Mankind has a shockingly high chance of offing itself in the next
100 years, perhaps as much as 1 in 10.

-Ken

From dbdoug at gmail.com  Mon Apr 23 10:58:24 2012
From: dbdoug at gmail.com (Doug Steele)
Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 08:58:24 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Windows Azure workshops - Canada
Message-ID: <CAFa8NkjhmB15XEiQH9TkFskQYu94vrzQ=n6Z2+atLSMU7GQNqA@mail.gmail.com>

For anyone in Canada who is interested, MS is putting on free introductory
workshops for working with Azure.  Free lunch as well!

http://www.microsoft.com/canada/azureworkshops/home.aspx

Doug

From vbacreations at gmail.com  Mon Apr 23 12:52:16 2012
From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson (VBACreations.Com))
Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 13:52:16 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] The coming in-memory database tipping point. - SQL
	Server Team Blog - Site Home - TechNet Blogs
In-Reply-To: <CAMEw5yV6Y62yT4ttvf=WCv08w6D-64rUJ6e3+dSvPMdRzBN8_g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAMEw5yV6Y62yT4ttvf=WCv08w6D-64rUJ6e3+dSvPMdRzBN8_g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <006301cd2179$d2b4dc00$781e9400$@gmail.com>

>>> All species go extinct

Checked in with the cockroach lately?

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kenneth Ismert
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2012 11:42 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] The coming in-memory database tipping point. - SQL
Server Team Blog - Site Home - TechNet Blogs

>
> William Benson:
>
> ... unless you can guarantee all the offspring ... live up to or beyond

your definition of evolutionary scale ... then you cannot call that
> evolution in action.


There are no guarantees of survival in evolution ... that is one of its
principal points. What is inarguable is that change is constantly
happening, in environment, expression of certain genes, suppression of
others, and mutations.

Evolution is about winners, not contenders.
>

I would say that that if you are a contender, you are a winner -- at least
for now. You have a chit in the game, and are succeeding in your niche. If
your survival strategy continues to work, your species/particular genetic
expression/mutation flourishes; if not, you diminish.

Besides, at a large enough time scale, everybody loses. All species go
extinct. Mankind has a shockingly high chance of offing itself in the next
100 years, perhaps as much as 1 in 10.

-Ken
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From vbacreations at gmail.com  Mon Apr 23 12:55:34 2012
From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson (VBACreations.Com))
Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 13:55:34 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] The coming in-memory database tipping point. - SQL
	Server Team Blog - Site Home - TechNet Blogs
References: <CAMEw5yV6Y62yT4ttvf=WCv08w6D-64rUJ6e3+dSvPMdRzBN8_g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <006401cd217a$489b33b0$d9d19b10$@gmail.com>

And don't try to tell me that they won't escape this solar system when the
sun is ready to go nova, nor the galaxy when it sinks into the black hole at
its center... you and I both know they could teleport wherever they wanted
to, when the time comes.

-----Original Message-----
From: William Benson (VBACreations.Com) [mailto:vbacreations at gmail.com] 
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2012 1:52 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] The coming in-memory database tipping point. - SQL
Server Team Blog - Site Home - TechNet Blogs

>>> All species go extinct

Checked in with the cockroach lately?

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kenneth Ismert
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2012 11:42 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] The coming in-memory database tipping point. - SQL
Server Team Blog - Site Home - TechNet Blogs

>
> William Benson:
>
> ... unless you can guarantee all the offspring ... live up to or beyond

your definition of evolutionary scale ... then you cannot call that
> evolution in action.


There are no guarantees of survival in evolution ... that is one of its
principal points. What is inarguable is that change is constantly
happening, in environment, expression of certain genes, suppression of
others, and mutations.

Evolution is about winners, not contenders.
>

I would say that that if you are a contender, you are a winner -- at least
for now. You have a chit in the game, and are succeeding in your niche. If
your survival strategy continues to work, your species/particular genetic
expression/mutation flourishes; if not, you diminish.

Besides, at a large enough time scale, everybody loses. All species go
extinct. Mankind has a shockingly high chance of offing itself in the next
100 years, perhaps as much as 1 in 10.

-Ken
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From michael at mattysconsulting.com  Mon Apr 23 13:20:58 2012
From: michael at mattysconsulting.com (Michael Mattys)
Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 14:20:58 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] The coming in-memory database tipping point. -
	SQL	Server Team Blog - Site Home - TechNet Blogs
In-Reply-To: <006401cd217a$489b33b0$d9d19b10$@gmail.com>
References: <CAMEw5yV6Y62yT4ttvf=WCv08w6D-64rUJ6e3+dSvPMdRzBN8_g@mail.gmail.com>
	<006401cd217a$489b33b0$d9d19b10$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <005701cd217d$d5a23b20$80e6b160$@mattysconsulting.com>

LOL. I see two roaches with flip communicators.
"Bugs!" says Agent K.

Michael R Mattys
Mattys Consulting, LLC
www.mattysconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Benson
(VBACreations.Com)
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2012 1:56 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] The coming in-memory database tipping point. - SQL
Server Team Blog - Site Home - TechNet Blogs

And don't try to tell me that they won't escape this solar system when the
sun is ready to go nova, nor the galaxy when it sinks into the black hole at
its center... you and I both know they could teleport wherever they wanted
to, when the time comes.

-----Original Message-----
From: William Benson (VBACreations.Com) [mailto:vbacreations at gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2012 1:52 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] The coming in-memory database tipping point. - SQL
Server Team Blog - Site Home - TechNet Blogs

>>> All species go extinct

Checked in with the cockroach lately?

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kenneth Ismert
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2012 11:42 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] The coming in-memory database tipping point. - SQL
Server Team Blog - Site Home - TechNet Blogs

>
> William Benson:
>
> ... unless you can guarantee all the offspring ... live up to or 
> beyond

your definition of evolutionary scale ... then you cannot call that
> evolution in action.


There are no guarantees of survival in evolution ... that is one of its
principal points. What is inarguable is that change is constantly happening,
in environment, expression of certain genes, suppression of others, and
mutations.

Evolution is about winners, not contenders.
>

I would say that that if you are a contender, you are a winner -- at least
for now. You have a chit in the game, and are succeeding in your niche. If
your survival strategy continues to work, your species/particular genetic
expression/mutation flourishes; if not, you diminish.

Besides, at a large enough time scale, everybody loses. All species go
extinct. Mankind has a shockingly high chance of offing itself in the next
100 years, perhaps as much as 1 in 10.

-Ken
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Mon Apr 23 16:15:22 2012
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2012 07:15:22 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] The coming in-memory database tipping point. - SQL
	Server Team Blog - Site Home - TechNet Blogs
In-Reply-To: <006301cd2179$d2b4dc00$781e9400$@gmail.com>
References: <CAMEw5yV6Y62yT4ttvf=WCv08w6D-64rUJ6e3+dSvPMdRzBN8_g@mail.gmail.com>,
	<006301cd2179$d2b4dc00$781e9400$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4F95C66A.27963.3C50E645@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

Same could be said of any species which is still surviving.

And cockroachs are NOT a single species.

-- 
Stuart

On 23 Apr 2012 at 13:52, William Benson (VBACreations. wrote:

> >>> All species go extinct
> 
> Checked in with the cockroach lately?
> 


From vbacreations at gmail.com  Mon Apr 23 16:50:17 2012
From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson (VBACreations.Com))
Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 17:50:17 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] The coming in-memory database tipping point. -
	SQL	Server Team Blog - Site Home - TechNet Blogs
In-Reply-To: <4F95C66A.27963.3C50E645@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <CAMEw5yV6Y62yT4ttvf=WCv08w6D-64rUJ6e3+dSvPMdRzBN8_g@mail.gmail.com>,
	<006301cd2179$d2b4dc00$781e9400$@gmail.com>
	<4F95C66A.27963.3C50E645@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <008501cd219b$12be95e0$383bc1a0$@gmail.com>

They told me they are and I believed them. That'll teach me.


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2012 5:15 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] The coming in-memory database tipping point. - SQL
Server Team Blog - Site Home - TechNet Blogs

Same could be said of any species which is still surviving.

And cockroachs are NOT a single species.

-- 
Stuart

On 23 Apr 2012 at 13:52, William Benson (VBACreations. wrote:

> >>> All species go extinct
> 
> Checked in with the cockroach lately?
> 

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From accessd at shaw.ca  Mon Apr 23 17:19:09 2012
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 15:19:09 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] The coming in-memory database tipping point. -
	SQLServer Team Blog - Site Home - TechNet Blogs
In-Reply-To: <4F95C66A.27963.3C50E645@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <CAMEw5yV6Y62yT4ttvf=WCv08w6D-64rUJ6e3+dSvPMdRzBN8_g@mail.gmail.com>,
	<006301cd2179$d2b4dc00$781e9400$@gmail.com>
	<4F95C66A.27963.3C50E645@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <C04496B3F919426E88BF6E061A244B4B@creativesystemdesigns.com>

You are correct.

There are a number of human species that have the same characteristics.

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2012 2:15 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] The coming in-memory database tipping point. -
SQLServer Team Blog - Site Home - TechNet Blogs

Same could be said of any species which is still surviving.

And cockroachs are NOT a single species.

-- 
Stuart

On 23 Apr 2012 at 13:52, William Benson (VBACreations. wrote:

> >>> All species go extinct
> 
> Checked in with the cockroach lately?
> 

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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Mon Apr 23 17:20:02 2012
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 18:20:02 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] The Access Developer's Dilemma
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1jQEfmuoL-5LJG0XhbB06zCbf1Y0EgDv2kk9Sxv_5o=NQ@mail.gmail.com>

Just wanted to let you all know that I have posted a piece on my blog, in
which I try to describe the frustrations some (perhaps most) of us feel
about the future direction of Access. I invite you to visit
http://artfulopinions.blogspot.ca/ and to comment either there or here.
Should you visit, please feel free to browse the other pieces, too.

-- 
Arthur
Cell: 647.710.1314

The most likely way for the world to be destroyed, most experts agree, is
by accident. That's where we come in; we're computer professionals. We
cause accidents.

-Nathaniel Borenstein<http://www.quoteland.com/author/Nathaniel-Borenstein-Quotes/63/>

From davidmcafee at gmail.com  Mon Apr 23 17:59:23 2012
From: davidmcafee at gmail.com (David McAfee)
Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 15:59:23 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] The Access Developer's Dilemma
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1jQEfmuoL-5LJG0XhbB06zCbf1Y0EgDv2kk9Sxv_5o=NQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1jQEfmuoL-5LJG0XhbB06zCbf1Y0EgDv2kk9Sxv_5o=NQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAMhYZWbkT7nFKepuagkynHTKKH9L2qybNwZC=hsT8sMRwJcFrw@mail.gmail.com>

I love it!

Great Post Arthur!

I'd also like to mention that A2010 SP1 broke some of my existing ADPs.
Luckily I was able to figure out what was going on and put out an update
pretty quick.

D






On Mon, Apr 23, 2012 at 3:20 PM, Arthur Fuller <fuller.artful at gmail.com>wrote:

> Just wanted to let you all know that I have posted a piece on my blog, in
> which I try to describe the frustrations some (perhaps most) of us feel
> about the future direction of Access. I invite you to visit
> http://artfulopinions.blogspot.ca/ and to comment either there or here.
> Should you visit, please feel free to browse the other pieces, too.
>
> --
> Arthur
> Cell: 647.710.1314
>
> The most likely way for the world to be destroyed, most experts agree, is
> by accident. That's where we come in; we're computer professionals. We
> cause accidents.
>
> -Nathaniel Borenstein<
> http://www.quoteland.com/author/Nathaniel-Borenstein-Quotes/63/>
> --
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> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>

From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au  Mon Apr 23 18:30:50 2012
From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins)
Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 23:30:50 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] The Access Developer's Dilemma
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1jQEfmuoL-5LJG0XhbB06zCbf1Y0EgDv2kk9Sxv_5o=NQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1jQEfmuoL-5LJG0XhbB06zCbf1Y0EgDv2kk9Sxv_5o=NQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B50D8E8C94@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>

Excellent Post Arthur - Well worth a read.

Cheers
Darryl.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Tuesday, 24 April 2012 8:20 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] The Access Developer's Dilemma

Just wanted to let you all know that I have posted a piece on my blog, in which I try to describe the frustrations some (perhaps most) of us feel about the future direction of Access. I invite you to visit http://artfulopinions.blogspot.ca/ and to comment either there or here.
Should you visit, please feel free to browse the other pieces, too.

--
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Cell: 647.710.1314

The most likely way for the world to be destroyed, most experts agree, is by accident. That's where we come in; we're computer professionals. We cause accidents.

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From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au  Mon Apr 23 18:33:06 2012
From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins)
Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 23:33:06 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] The Access Developer's Dilemma
In-Reply-To: <CAMhYZWbkT7nFKepuagkynHTKKH9L2qybNwZC=hsT8sMRwJcFrw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1jQEfmuoL-5LJG0XhbB06zCbf1Y0EgDv2kk9Sxv_5o=NQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAMhYZWbkT7nFKepuagkynHTKKH9L2qybNwZC=hsT8sMRwJcFrw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B50D8E8CA6@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>

"Luckily I was able to figure out what was going on and put out an update pretty quick"

This sums up much of the upgrading existing apps to Office 2010 experience.  I pity the poor users in a corporate environment whose apps just stop working after years of flawless performance.  Must happen a lot.  A least many of us have the skills and or knowledge on how to fix this stuff (or where to look to find possible solutions).  For some users it really must be a struggle.

Cheers
Darryl.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of David McAfee
Sent: Tuesday, 24 April 2012 8:59 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] The Access Developer's Dilemma

I love it!

Great Post Arthur!

I'd also like to mention that A2010 SP1 broke some of my existing ADPs.
Luckily I was able to figure out what was going on and put out an update pretty quick.

D






On Mon, Apr 23, 2012 at 3:20 PM, Arthur Fuller <fuller.artful at gmail.com>wrote:

> Just wanted to let you all know that I have posted a piece on my blog, 
> in which I try to describe the frustrations some (perhaps most) of us 
> feel about the future direction of Access. I invite you to visit 
> http://artfulopinions.blogspot.ca/ and to comment either there or here.
> Should you visit, please feel free to browse the other pieces, too.
>
> --
> Arthur
> Cell: 647.710.1314
>
> The most likely way for the world to be destroyed, most experts agree, 
> is by accident. That's where we come in; we're computer professionals. 
> We cause accidents.
>
> -Nathaniel Borenstein<
> http://www.quoteland.com/author/Nathaniel-Borenstein-Quotes/63/>
> --
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> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
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From vbacreations at gmail.com  Mon Apr 23 18:42:55 2012
From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson)
Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 19:42:55 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] The Access Developer's Dilemma
In-Reply-To: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B50D8E8CA6@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
References: <CAEPJO1jQEfmuoL-5LJG0XhbB06zCbf1Y0EgDv2kk9Sxv_5o=NQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAMhYZWbkT7nFKepuagkynHTKKH9L2qybNwZC=hsT8sMRwJcFrw@mail.gmail.com>
	<56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B50D8E8CA6@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <CAGuQ9V7a7mkpJeiiWmrTFmErO_N8VbZ6cg=M9BF1KXSnG0tBzw@mail.gmail.com>

The world is pretty connected nowadays. The knowledge how to fix stuff is
out there. But having to research and implement it and test it is a
productivity killer for no benefit.

As Lewis Carroll said have to run faster and faster just to remain where
you are.
On Apr 23, 2012 7:34 PM, "Darryl Collins" <darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au>
wrote:

> "Luckily I was able to figure out what was going on and put out an update
> pretty quick"
>
> This sums up much of the upgrading existing apps to Office 2010
> experience.  I pity the poor users in a corporate environment whose apps
> just stop working after years of flawless performance.  Must happen a lot.
>  A least many of us have the skills and or knowledge on how to fix this
> stuff (or where to look to find possible solutions).  For some users it
> really must be a struggle.
>
> Cheers
> Darryl.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:
> accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of David McAfee
> Sent: Tuesday, 24 April 2012 8:59 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] The Access Developer's Dilemma
>
> I love it!
>
> Great Post Arthur!
>
> I'd also like to mention that A2010 SP1 broke some of my existing ADPs.
> Luckily I was able to figure out what was going on and put out an update
> pretty quick.
>
> D
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 23, 2012 at 3:20 PM, Arthur Fuller <fuller.artful at gmail.com
> >wrote:
>
> > Just wanted to let you all know that I have posted a piece on my blog,
> > in which I try to describe the frustrations some (perhaps most) of us
> > feel about the future direction of Access. I invite you to visit
> > http://artfulopinions.blogspot.ca/ and to comment either there or here.
> > Should you visit, please feel free to browse the other pieces, too.
> >
> > --
> > Arthur
> > Cell: 647.710.1314
> >
> > The most likely way for the world to be destroyed, most experts agree,
> > is by accident. That's where we come in; we're computer professionals.
> > We cause accidents.
> >
> > -Nathaniel Borenstein<
> > http://www.quoteland.com/author/Nathaniel-Borenstein-Quotes/63/>
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Mon Apr 23 18:47:23 2012
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2012 09:47:23 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] The Access Developer's Dilemma
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1jQEfmuoL-5LJG0XhbB06zCbf1Y0EgDv2kk9Sxv_5o=NQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1jQEfmuoL-5LJG0XhbB06zCbf1Y0EgDv2kk9Sxv_5o=NQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4F95EA0B.7970.3CDC162E@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

Great post, you've put my feelings into words for me.

Just one point:

"Mr. Rabins approached me, I guess, because thanks to my numerous postings on various 
Access newsgroups, I have acquired something of a reputation as a seasoned Access+SQL 
developer. He offered me a free license to Alpha Five v.11, which I accepted. "

They've been offering those licences all over the place.  I've got one too.

-- 
Stuart

On 23 Apr 2012 at 18:20, Arthur Fuller wrote:

> Just wanted to let you all know that I have posted a piece on my blog, in
> which I try to describe the frustrations some (perhaps most) of us feel
> about the future direction of Access. I invite you to visit
> http://artfulopinions.blogspot.ca/ and to comment either there or here.
> Should you visit, please feel free to browse the other pieces, too.
> 
> -- 
> Arthur
> Cell: 647.710.1314
> 
> The most likely way for the world to be destroyed, most experts agree, is
> by accident. That's where we come in; we're computer professionals. We
> cause accidents.
> 
> -Nathaniel Borenstein<http://www.quoteland.com/author/Nathaniel-Borenstein-Quotes/63/>
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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Mon Apr 23 18:48:56 2012
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 19:48:56 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] The Access Developer's Dilemma
In-Reply-To: <CAGuQ9V7a7mkpJeiiWmrTFmErO_N8VbZ6cg=M9BF1KXSnG0tBzw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1jQEfmuoL-5LJG0XhbB06zCbf1Y0EgDv2kk9Sxv_5o=NQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAMhYZWbkT7nFKepuagkynHTKKH9L2qybNwZC=hsT8sMRwJcFrw@mail.gmail.com>
	<56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B50D8E8CA6@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
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Thanks, Darryl and David. Appreciated.
A.

From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Mon Apr 23 18:49:50 2012
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 19:49:50 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] The Access Developer's Dilemma
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1i_hvr5X-fFMC1q4DVNcnm5m9k7MBJ3hgrDAawYcCfbOg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1jQEfmuoL-5LJG0XhbB06zCbf1Y0EgDv2kk9Sxv_5o=NQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAMhYZWbkT7nFKepuagkynHTKKH9L2qybNwZC=hsT8sMRwJcFrw@mail.gmail.com>
	<56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B50D8E8CA6@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
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	<CAEPJO1i_hvr5X-fFMC1q4DVNcnm5m9k7MBJ3hgrDAawYcCfbOg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1iDFqoiCvk4GC=kwR3CJifa3+q6nZoVRX86qg1WpdPXkQ@mail.gmail.com>

LOL proves my point: so have you acquired a rep.

From jimdettman at verizon.net  Mon Apr 23 18:53:33 2012
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 19:53:33 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] A2010 Deployment
In-Reply-To: <E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C59FEB25@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
References: <7E9AC5D662994FDA8DBB7C33EF89AF5A@HAL9007><631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB082957BBB318BF6@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk>
	<4A604181F3274616B5E223BD49545DC9@HAL9007>
	<E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C59FEB25@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
Message-ID: <27FB96A2AA594D9BAC65857F65831F4C@XPS>


 Both are correct, but I would not count on #2.

Jim. 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brad Marks
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2012 10:43 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2010 Deployment

All,

As I understand things...

1. An application developed with Access 2007 should run under Access 2010
(either Full or Runtime).

2. An application developed with Access 2010 will run under Access 2007 if
none of the new "2010 features" are used.

Are both of these correct?


Thanks,
Brad 



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com on behalf of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Mon 4/23/2012 9:16 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2010 Deployment
 
Some possibilities there.  Thanks.

Rocky
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Martin Reid
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2012 6:53 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2010 Deployment

Rocky
Is this helpful

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/2533794


versions of vbE7.dll may be different on the two systems?

Martin


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: 23 April 2012 14:40
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] A2010 Deployment

Dear List:
 
I saved my mdb to an accdb in A2010, compiled it to an accde, and used the
packaging wizard to create a run time.  
 
I copied the folder it created to a test be d box with no Office and ran it.
It installed OK but when I launch the app I get a message which starts "The
database cannot be opened because the VBA project contained in it cannot be
read."
 
I couldn't find anything helpful about this on the web except to check
references.
 
I checked my references - everything that has to reference Office 14  except
for 2:
 
1) Visual Basic for Applications - there are four references to this in the
reference list beside the one that is checked (- each points to a different
file
- VBAEN32.OLB
- MSVBM60.DLL
- VBAEND32.OLB
- VEN2232.OLB
 
2) Microsoft Visual Basic for Applications Extensibility 5.3 (no other
references in my list)
 
Does anyone know what that error message means and how to get this run-time
thing working?
 
MTIA
 
Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
858-259-4334
www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> www.e-z-mrp.com
<http://www.e-z-mrp.com/>
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From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au  Mon Apr 23 19:03:52 2012
From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins)
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2012 00:03:52 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] A2010 Deployment
In-Reply-To: <27FB96A2AA594D9BAC65857F65831F4C@XPS>
References: <7E9AC5D662994FDA8DBB7C33EF89AF5A@HAL9007><631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB082957BBB318BF6@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk>
	<4A604181F3274616B5E223BD49545DC9@HAL9007>
	<E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C59FEB25@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
	<27FB96A2AA594D9BAC65857F65831F4C@XPS>
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Agreed with Jim on Point 2.  Some things you can get away with (such as using Office 2010 ribbons images).  The ribbon will still work in A2007 but the images do not display - looks a bit ugly but hardly critical.  Other stuff will be more flakey - I have had a few things go "Plurk", but I cannot recall exactly what they were - and now we are all on Office 2010 those issues are gone anyway for me...


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Tuesday, 24 April 2012 9:54 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2010 Deployment


 Both are correct, but I would not count on #2.

Jim. 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brad Marks
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2012 10:43 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2010 Deployment

All,

As I understand things...

1. An application developed with Access 2007 should run under Access 2010 (either Full or Runtime).

2. An application developed with Access 2010 will run under Access 2007 if none of the new "2010 features" are used.

Are both of these correct?


Thanks,
Brad 



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com on behalf of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Mon 4/23/2012 9:16 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2010 Deployment
 
Some possibilities there.  Thanks.

Rocky
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Martin Reid
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2012 6:53 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2010 Deployment

Rocky
Is this helpful

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/2533794


versions of vbE7.dll may be different on the two systems?

Martin


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: 23 April 2012 14:40
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] A2010 Deployment

Dear List:
 
I saved my mdb to an accdb in A2010, compiled it to an accde, and used the packaging wizard to create a run time.  
 
I copied the folder it created to a test be d box with no Office and ran it.
It installed OK but when I launch the app I get a message which starts "The database cannot be opened because the VBA project contained in it cannot be read."
 
I couldn't find anything helpful about this on the web except to check references.
 
I checked my references - everything that has to reference Office 14  except for 2:
 
1) Visual Basic for Applications - there are four references to this in the reference list beside the one that is checked (- each points to a different file
- VBAEN32.OLB
- MSVBM60.DLL
- VBAEND32.OLB
- VEN2232.OLB
 
2) Microsoft Visual Basic for Applications Extensibility 5.3 (no other references in my list)
 
Does anyone know what that error message means and how to get this run-time thing working?
 
MTIA
 
Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
858-259-4334
www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> www.e-z-mrp.com <http://www.e-z-mrp.com/>
Skype: rocky.smolin
 

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From kismert at gmail.com  Mon Apr 23 19:49:41 2012
From: kismert at gmail.com (Kenneth Ismert)
Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 19:49:41 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] AccessD Digest, Vol 110, Issue 12
In-Reply-To: <mailman.829.1335225848.15415.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>
References: <mailman.829.1335225848.15415.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>
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 <vbacreations at gmail.com>
>
> William Benson:
>
> >>> All species go extinct
>
> Checked in with the cockroach lately?
>
..
> And don't try to tell me that they won't escape this solar system when the
> sun is ready to go nova, nor the galaxy when it sinks into the black hole
> at
> its center... you and I both know they could teleport wherever they wanted
> to, when the time comes.
>

Cockroaches are not eternal. They've been around for roughly 300 million
years, a long time, but still only 1/10 the span of life on earth.

Also, the sun will not go nova. It is too small. It will slowly heat up,
expand into a red giant (exceeding the diameter of earth's orbit), and
collapse into a white dwarf.

So, cockroaches will have something like 3 billion years to evolve
intelligence and develop teleportation technology before earth becomes
completely uninhabitable.

Their chances of doing this are certainly better than ours.

-Ken

From accessd at shaw.ca  Mon Apr 23 21:47:26 2012
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 19:47:26 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] The Access Developer's Dilemma
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1jQEfmuoL-5LJG0XhbB06zCbf1Y0EgDv2kk9Sxv_5o=NQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1jQEfmuoL-5LJG0XhbB06zCbf1Y0EgDv2kk9Sxv_5o=NQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <EDBA2A3B9F4847EB9DECA8CB71AC7460@creativesystemdesigns.com>

I concur Arthur... 

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2012 3:20 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] The Access Developer's Dilemma

Just wanted to let you all know that I have posted a piece on my blog, in
which I try to describe the frustrations some (perhaps most) of us feel
about the future direction of Access. I invite you to visit
http://artfulopinions.blogspot.ca/ and to comment either there or here.
Should you visit, please feel free to browse the other pieces, too.

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The most likely way for the world to be destroyed, most experts agree, is
by accident. That's where we come in; we're computer professionals. We
cause accidents.

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From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au  Tue Apr 24 01:22:19 2012
From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins)
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2012 06:22:19 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] What is a site handle?
In-Reply-To: <21913810.1831335248101235.JavaMail.defaultUser@defaultHost>
References: <21913810.1831335248101235.JavaMail.defaultUser@defaultHost>
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The only thing I have dug up which seems vaguely relevant is this from Sybase...

<< http://infocenter.sybase.com/help/index.jsp?topic=/com.sybase.infocenter.dc32702.1502/html/omni_ug/omni_ug69.htm>>

I guess the question you could ask if they are running Sybase or not?

Dunno, it is a tricky one, although the fact bugger all comes up on Google suggest to me it would be worth asking them for more details.

Good luck
Cheers
Darryl.



-----Original Message-----
From: henrik.carlstrom at comhem.se [mailto:henrik.carlstrom at comhem.se] 
Sent: Tuesday, 24 April 2012 4:15 PM
To: Darryl Collins
Subject: Ang: RE: Re: What is a site handle?

Thankyou

I guess a site handler is some webadministration meaning ASP (Active Server
Pages) running VB-scripts in reponse to user requests on the web, These scripts retrieves data from some database and outputs data to Excel sheets. This process is some administration of userrequests on the web. That is administration on the site. Thats could be called site handler?

BR
Henke

>----Ursprungligt meddelande----
>Fr?n: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au
>Datum: 2012/04/24 01:39
>Till: "henrik.carlstrom at comhem.se"<henrik.carlstrom at comhem.se>
>?rende: RE: Re: What is a site handle?
>
>It might be the advert is wrong.  I have seen a lot of job adds that 
>have
obvious errors in them as the person writing down the details isn't a tech person and get stuff wrong.  Their database sounds like it is called the "Site Handler" - Lord knows what it actually is?  SQL Server, Access, Oracle?  
Usually the front end staff have no idea or the engine doing the grunt work and they just call the system a name - Plenty of SAP databases are called what they do, rather than what they are.  Actually there were plenty of systems called "Darryl's Database" too at places I have worked.  I am sure that name was dropped after I left, but hey....
>
>I would call them and ask them to clarify.  No harm in that, if 
>anything it
shows them you have initiative and are proactive in solving problems.
>
>A couple of examples I have seen is "Any C" rather than "NEC".  "Use 
>and
Access the Database" rather than" Use an Access Database" etc.  Oh there have been plenty of others as well....
>
>Cheers
>Darryl.
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: MS Excel General Q & A List [mailto:EXCEL-G at PEACH.EASE.LSOFT.COM] 
>On
Behalf Of henrik.carlstrom at comhem.se
>Sent: Monday, 23 April 2012 8:23 PM
>To: EXCEL-G at PEACH.EASE.LSOFT.COM
>Subject: Ang: Re: What is a site handle?
>
>No the job decription was in english from the beginning for me. But 
>someone
before me might have translated wrong.
>
>I googled on site handler byt found no meaningful answer. I also tried 
>web
place handler.
>
>From before I know there are code within some webpages that can do 
>things like
fetch a record from a database and display it on a new webpage.
>
>//Henke
>
>>----Ursprungligt meddelande----
>>Fr?n: bob.phillips at DSL.PIPEX.COM
>>Datum: 2012/04/23 11:31
>>Till: <EXCEL-G at PEACH.EASE.LSOFT.COM>
>>?rende: Re: What is a site handle?
>>
>>Sounds like that is just the name of the database, the ne you will query.
>>Are you sure something hasn't been lost in the translation?
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: MS Excel General Q & A List 
>>[mailto:EXCEL-G at PEACH.EASE.LSOFT.COM]
>>On Behalf Of henrik.carlstrom at comhem.se
>>Sent: 23 April 2012 09:14
>>To: EXCEL-G at PEACH.EASE.LSOFT.COM
>>Subject: What is a site handle?
>>
>>Hi all
>>
>>I am to apply for an Excel job that deals with a site handler.
>>What is a site handle?
>>
>>My understanding so far is that a sitehandler administrates a website 
>>direct to underlying webserver where the database or Excel files 
>>resides. But is the sitehandler just a function within another tool 
>>like Dreamweaver or is it a tool itself?
>>
>>Job description is
>>We are looking for two administrators that speak Swedish and are "gurus" 
>>(experts) in Excel. The client needs help to update Site handler (a 
>>database), take out reports and run scripts. Help the client to 
>>prepare status reports and change orders. Coordinate the ASP 
>>engineers, answer calls from them when they arrive to site and provide them with integrators.
>>
>>tia
>>Henrik
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From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Tue Apr 24 02:39:42 2012
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2012 08:39:42 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] The Access Developer's Dilemma
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1jQEfmuoL-5LJG0XhbB06zCbf1Y0EgDv2kk9Sxv_5o=NQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <91D149C3CB7D4BE0ACD2469727762FD0@MINSTER>

Great article Arthur. Nostalgic reading about dBase, Clipper and early
Access. Been there with you.

My only concern for you (I'll be retiring just in time to avoid "the
change") is whether there's demand. I recall choosing dBase, Clipper and
Access over other products whose name I've now forgotten not because they
were necessarily the best around (of those Clipper was probably the only one
that was) but because they were market-leaders, therefore there was demand
for projects and therefore skills. Alpha Five may be the best thing since
sliced bread - I'm happy to take your word for it - but does it have a
presence? Does it have a monster marketing budget to get its name out there?
Are you being approached by companies to write them systems in Alpha Five?
Trying to convince a commissioning manager that he should invest his bucks
not just in you but in a development product he's never heard of will be
like pushing water uphill. He'll be afraid that his investment will go down
the pan if Alpha Five's no longer around when he wants support &
development.

Sorry, I don't want to throw cold water over this, just be careful. I
really, really hope that in a couple of years or even sooner you're saying I
was wrong to be so cautious and you're turning out Alpha Five projects by
the dozen.

Best of luck

Andy

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: 23 April 2012 23:20
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] The Access Developer's Dilemma


Just wanted to let you all know that I have posted a piece on my blog, in
which I try to describe the frustrations some (perhaps most) of us feel
about the future direction of Access. I invite you to visit
http://artfulopinions.blogspot.ca/ and to comment either there or here.
Should you visit, please feel free to browse the other pieces, too.

-- 
Arthur
Cell: 647.710.1314

The most likely way for the world to be destroyed, most experts agree, is
by accident. That's where we come in; we're computer professionals. We
cause accidents.

-Nathaniel
Borenstein<http://www.quoteland.com/author/Nathaniel-Borenstein-Quotes/63/>
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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Tue Apr 24 06:56:56 2012
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2012 07:56:56 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] The Access Developer's Dilemma
In-Reply-To: <91D149C3CB7D4BE0ACD2469727762FD0@MINSTER>
References: <CAEPJO1jQEfmuoL-5LJG0XhbB06zCbf1Y0EgDv2kk9Sxv_5o=NQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<91D149C3CB7D4BE0ACD2469727762FD0@MINSTER>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1gT4pkDAkJkVXzuPTJvcfje3qCQ+zqSf7Wiv1GYKumc2w@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks for the kind words, guys, and the note of caution, Andy. You are
quite right in expressing that. I can't give you precise numbers, but Alpha
has sold to a few hundred thousand developers and is in use by some large
firms such as Ford. You can visit their web site to see who is using it.

A.

From davidmcafee at gmail.com  Tue Apr 24 11:12:13 2012
From: davidmcafee at gmail.com (David McAfee)
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2012 09:12:13 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] The Access Developer's Dilemma
In-Reply-To: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B50D8E8CA6@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
References: <CAEPJO1jQEfmuoL-5LJG0XhbB06zCbf1Y0EgDv2kk9Sxv_5o=NQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAMhYZWbkT7nFKepuagkynHTKKH9L2qybNwZC=hsT8sMRwJcFrw@mail.gmail.com>
	<56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B50D8E8CA6@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <CAMhYZWY0hifEdBPN6b0TUKp85Whv2=P8LiQVFZdD9ycMK7ZTQA@mail.gmail.com>

MS has done it to us too many times, especially on the mobile side.

Which is why when WM7 came out, we dropped support for them and switched to
Android.



On Mon, Apr 23, 2012 at 4:33 PM, Darryl Collins <
darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au> wrote:

> "Luckily I was able to figure out what was going on and put out an update
> pretty quick"
>
> This sums up much of the upgrading existing apps to Office 2010
> experience.  I pity the poor users in a corporate environment whose apps
> just stop working after years of flawless performance.  Must happen a lot.
>  A least many of us have the skills and or knowledge on how to fix this
> stuff (or where to look to find possible solutions).  For some users it
> really must be a struggle.
>
> Cheers
> Darryl.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:
> accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of David McAfee
> Sent: Tuesday, 24 April 2012 8:59 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] The Access Developer's Dilemma
>
> I love it!
>
> Great Post Arthur!
>
> I'd also like to mention that A2010 SP1 broke some of my existing ADPs.
> Luckily I was able to figure out what was going on and put out an update
> pretty quick.
>
> D
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 23, 2012 at 3:20 PM, Arthur Fuller <fuller.artful at gmail.com
> >wrote:
>
> > Just wanted to let you all know that I have posted a piece on my blog,
> > in which I try to describe the frustrations some (perhaps most) of us
> > feel about the future direction of Access. I invite you to visit
> > http://artfulopinions.blogspot.ca/ and to comment either there or here.
> > Should you visit, please feel free to browse the other pieces, too.
> >
> > --
> > Arthur
> > Cell: 647.710.1314
> >
> > The most likely way for the world to be destroyed, most experts agree,
> > is by accident. That's where we come in; we're computer professionals.
> > We cause accidents.
> >
> > -Nathaniel Borenstein<
> > http://www.quoteland.com/author/Nathaniel-Borenstein-Quotes/63/>
> > --
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> --
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>

From accessd at shaw.ca  Tue Apr 24 11:38:30 2012
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2012 09:38:30 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] The Access Developer's Dilemma
In-Reply-To: <CAMhYZWY0hifEdBPN6b0TUKp85Whv2=P8LiQVFZdD9ycMK7ZTQA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1jQEfmuoL-5LJG0XhbB06zCbf1Y0EgDv2kk9Sxv_5o=NQ@mail.gmail.com><CAMhYZWbkT7nFKepuagkynHTKKH9L2qybNwZC=hsT8sMRwJcFrw@mail.gmail.com><56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B50D8E8CA6@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
	<CAMhYZWY0hifEdBPN6b0TUKp85Whv2=P8LiQVFZdD9ycMK7ZTQA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <F06BD6845B7C4D548E9761EC1A6654D8@creativesystemdesigns.com>

It is sad to see.

Microsoft had so many "At A Boyz" supporting their every product, installing
and recommending them in every shop and business. Somewhere, somehow, at
Redmond, everything went wrong. The direction just went off the rails and
the management forgot who their friends and supporters were. What MS has
lost can never be recovered and it is truly sad.

Jim  

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of David McAfee
Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2012 9:12 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] The Access Developer's Dilemma

MS has done it to us too many times, especially on the mobile side.

Which is why when WM7 came out, we dropped support for them and switched to
Android.



On Mon, Apr 23, 2012 at 4:33 PM, Darryl Collins <
darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au> wrote:

> "Luckily I was able to figure out what was going on and put out an update
> pretty quick"
>
> This sums up much of the upgrading existing apps to Office 2010
> experience.  I pity the poor users in a corporate environment whose apps
> just stop working after years of flawless performance.  Must happen a lot.
>  A least many of us have the skills and or knowledge on how to fix this
> stuff (or where to look to find possible solutions).  For some users it
> really must be a struggle.
>
> Cheers
> Darryl.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:
> accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of David McAfee
> Sent: Tuesday, 24 April 2012 8:59 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] The Access Developer's Dilemma
>
> I love it!
>
> Great Post Arthur!
>
> I'd also like to mention that A2010 SP1 broke some of my existing ADPs.
> Luckily I was able to figure out what was going on and put out an update
> pretty quick.
>
> D
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 23, 2012 at 3:20 PM, Arthur Fuller <fuller.artful at gmail.com
> >wrote:
>
> > Just wanted to let you all know that I have posted a piece on my blog,
> > in which I try to describe the frustrations some (perhaps most) of us
> > feel about the future direction of Access. I invite you to visit
> > http://artfulopinions.blogspot.ca/ and to comment either there or here.
> > Should you visit, please feel free to browse the other pieces, too.
> >
> > --
> > Arthur
> > Cell: 647.710.1314
> >
> > The most likely way for the world to be destroyed, most experts agree,
> > is by accident. That's where we come in; we're computer professionals.
> > We cause accidents.
> >
> > -Nathaniel Borenstein<
> > http://www.quoteland.com/author/Nathaniel-Borenstein-Quotes/63/>
> > --
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> --
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>
>
>
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Tue Apr 24 13:21:33 2012
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2012 11:21:33 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] SageKey 2010 runtime
Message-ID: <1F506CB713424ECBBDCD707E71FA9BCB@HAL9007>

Is anyone using the Sagekey Access2010 runtime packager?  If so, pros and
cons?
 
MTIA
 
Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
858-259-4334
www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> 
www.e-z-mrp.com <http://www.e-z-mrp.com/> 
Skype: rocky.smolin
 
 
 

From marksimms at verizon.net  Tue Apr 24 13:52:09 2012
From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms)
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2012 14:52:09 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] The Access Developer's Dilemma
In-Reply-To: <F06BD6845B7C4D548E9761EC1A6654D8@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <CAEPJO1jQEfmuoL-5LJG0XhbB06zCbf1Y0EgDv2kk9Sxv_5o=NQ@mail.gmail.com><CAMhYZWbkT7nFKepuagkynHTKKH9L2qybNwZC=hsT8sMRwJcFrw@mail.gmail.com><56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B50D8E8CA6@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
	<CAMhYZWY0hifEdBPN6b0TUKp85Whv2=P8LiQVFZdD9ycMK7ZTQA@mail.gmail.com>
	<F06BD6845B7C4D548E9761EC1A6654D8@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <011101cd224b$5ae178f0$10a46ad0$@net>

The "know it all" attitude at MSFT comes from the top.
I've tried contacting a higher level manager at MSFT about the Excel 2010
VBA7.DLL problem....
And he refuses to even respond.


> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-
> bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
> Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2012 12:39 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] The Access Developer's Dilemma
>
> It is sad to see.
>
> Microsoft had so many "At A Boyz" supporting their every product,
> installing
> and recommending them in every shop and business. Somewhere, somehow,
> at
> Redmond, everything went wrong. The direction just went off the rails
> and
> the management forgot who their friends and supporters were. What MS
> has
> lost can never be recovered and it is truly sad.
>
> Jim
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of David McAfee
> Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2012 9:12 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] The Access Developer's Dilemma
>
> MS has done it to us too many times, especially on the mobile side.
>
> Which is why when WM7 came out, we dropped support for them and
> switched to
> Android.
>
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 23, 2012 at 4:33 PM, Darryl Collins <
> darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au> wrote:
>
> > "Luckily I was able to figure out what was going on and put out an
> update
> > pretty quick"
> >
> > This sums up much of the upgrading existing apps to Office 2010
> > experience.  I pity the poor users in a corporate environment whose
> apps
> > just stop working after years of flawless performance.  Must happen a
> lot.
> >  A least many of us have the skills and or knowledge on how to fix
> this
> > stuff (or where to look to find possible solutions).  For some users
> it
> > really must be a struggle.
> >
> > Cheers
> > Darryl.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:
> > accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of David McAfee
> > Sent: Tuesday, 24 April 2012 8:59 AM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] The Access Developer's Dilemma
> >
> > I love it!
> >
> > Great Post Arthur!
> >
> > I'd also like to mention that A2010 SP1 broke some of my existing
> ADPs.
> > Luckily I was able to figure out what was going on and put out an
> update
> > pretty quick.
> >
> > D
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Apr 23, 2012 at 3:20 PM, Arthur Fuller
> <fuller.artful at gmail.com
> > >wrote:
> >
> > > Just wanted to let you all know that I have posted a piece on my
> blog,
> > > in which I try to describe the frustrations some (perhaps most) of
> us
> > > feel about the future direction of Access. I invite you to visit
> > > http://artfulopinions.blogspot.ca/ and to comment either there or
> here.
> > > Should you visit, please feel free to browse the other pieces, too.
> > >
> > > --
> > > Arthur
> > > Cell: 647.710.1314
> > >
> > > The most likely way for the world to be destroyed, most experts
> agree,
> > > is by accident. That's where we come in; we're computer
> professionals.
> > > We cause accidents.
> > >
> > > -Nathaniel Borenstein<
> > > http://www.quoteland.com/author/Nathaniel-Borenstein-Quotes/63/>
> > > --
> > > AccessD mailing list
> > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > >
> > --
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> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> >
> >
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> >
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From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au  Tue Apr 24 19:28:26 2012
From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins)
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 00:28:26 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Strange happenings (Rather OT, but Advice is appreciated)
Message-ID: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B50D8E9064@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>

(xposted with Excel-L)

Wow...

I have a trusty HP desktop, which has worked flawlessly for about 4 years now out of the box.  This machine is on for most of the day and night, most days and nights. 

It is basically the family PC in the lounge room.  Last night I was at home listening to music on iTunes thru the headphones when I noticed some of the tracks in the list started to flag themselves as unavailable - What the???

Went to the desktop so I could check the folder and stacks of Icons are now missing, - there were there not 10 mins ago. I check the folders - stacks of files were missing.

I immediately shut down the whole system, rebooted and the icons and files were still missing.  Ran a system restore which got back the programs and their icons, but gobs of data had been deleted.

Luckily I have pretty good backups of my data, and I have also found some software that seems to be able to restore most (if not all of the) deleted data from the existing drive.

My question is WTF happened.  It was almost like one of those virus's from the mid 90's that kids used to write - You know "Delete all jpgs and mp3".

Actually it was wiping a whole stack of stuff.

I am pretty tempted to wipe the drive and reinstall from scratch.  First I will see if I can recover the system.
It is weird.  Bookmarks from the brower, shortcut buttons etc were also all wiped.

Never seen anything like it...  
Anyone got any suggestions?

Cheers
Darryl.


From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Tue Apr 24 19:36:03 2012
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2012 20:36:03 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Strange happenings (Rather OT,
	but Advice is appreciated)
In-Reply-To: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B50D8E9064@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
References: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B50D8E9064@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1iuJW4pqp9fwHtQVZ7Q-EeFXucGbLitcvFa_qnup-O7Hg@mail.gmail.com>

This sounds like a rootkit. Presumably you have run various anti-virus
programs with no detection or success?

If I were you I would wipe the drive and then restore from the most recent
backup where the files were intact; You may lose some documents, of course.

My sympathies.
Arthur

From dw-murphy at cox.net  Tue Apr 24 21:01:59 2012
From: dw-murphy at cox.net (Doug Murphy)
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2012 19:01:59 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Strange happenings (Rather OT,
	but Advice is appreciated)
In-Reply-To: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B50D8E9064@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
References: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B50D8E9064@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <009c01cd2287$6634d440$329e7cc0$@cox.net>

It could be a rootkit, or a hardware problem. Before spending a lot of time
on rebuilding on that drive I'd check it. According to Steve Gibson,
http://www.grc.com/intro.htm, it isn't unusual for drives to start losing
sectors. I am far from a hardware expert by any means, but drives are cheap
enough so why rebuild on one that might have problems.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darryl Collins
Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2012 5:28 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Strange happenings (Rather OT, but Advice is appreciated)

(xposted with Excel-L)

Wow...

I have a trusty HP desktop, which has worked flawlessly for about 4 years
now out of the box.  This machine is on for most of the day and night, most
days and nights. 

It is basically the family PC in the lounge room.  Last night I was at home
listening to music on iTunes thru the headphones when I noticed some of the
tracks in the list started to flag themselves as unavailable - What the???

Went to the desktop so I could check the folder and stacks of Icons are now
missing, - there were there not 10 mins ago. I check the folders - stacks of
files were missing.

I immediately shut down the whole system, rebooted and the icons and files
were still missing.  Ran a system restore which got back the programs and
their icons, but gobs of data had been deleted.

Luckily I have pretty good backups of my data, and I have also found some
software that seems to be able to restore most (if not all of the) deleted
data from the existing drive.

My question is WTF happened.  It was almost like one of those virus's from
the mid 90's that kids used to write - You know "Delete all jpgs and mp3".

Actually it was wiping a whole stack of stuff.

I am pretty tempted to wipe the drive and reinstall from scratch.  First I
will see if I can recover the system.
It is weird.  Bookmarks from the brower, shortcut buttons etc were also all
wiped.

Never seen anything like it...  
Anyone got any suggestions?

Cheers
Darryl.

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From john at winhaven.net  Tue Apr 24 23:00:24 2012
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2012 23:00:24 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Strange happenings (Rather OT,
	but Advice is appreciated)
In-Reply-To: <009c01cd2287$6634d440$329e7cc0$@cox.net>
References: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B50D8E9064@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
	<009c01cd2287$6634d440$329e7cc0$@cox.net>
Message-ID: <03c201cd2297$f14a0ae0$d3de20a0$@winhaven.net>

I'd agree with that Doug. Most likely a hard drive issue. Better to replace
it.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Doug Murphy
Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2012 9:02 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Strange happenings (Rather OT, but Advice is
appreciated)

It could be a rootkit, or a hardware problem. Before spending a lot of time
on rebuilding on that drive I'd check it. According to Steve Gibson,
http://www.grc.com/intro.htm, it isn't unusual for drives to start losing
sectors. I am far from a hardware expert by any means, but drives are cheap
enough so why rebuild on one that might have problems.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darryl Collins
Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2012 5:28 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Strange happenings (Rather OT, but Advice is appreciated)

(xposted with Excel-L)

Wow...

I have a trusty HP desktop, which has worked flawlessly for about 4 years
now out of the box.  This machine is on for most of the day and night, most
days and nights. 

It is basically the family PC in the lounge room.  Last night I was at home
listening to music on iTunes thru the headphones when I noticed some of the
tracks in the list started to flag themselves as unavailable - What the???

Went to the desktop so I could check the folder and stacks of Icons are now
missing, - there were there not 10 mins ago. I check the folders - stacks of
files were missing.

I immediately shut down the whole system, rebooted and the icons and files
were still missing.  Ran a system restore which got back the programs and
their icons, but gobs of data had been deleted.

Luckily I have pretty good backups of my data, and I have also found some
software that seems to be able to restore most (if not all of the) deleted
data from the existing drive.

My question is WTF happened.  It was almost like one of those virus's from
the mid 90's that kids used to write - You know "Delete all jpgs and mp3".

Actually it was wiping a whole stack of stuff.

I am pretty tempted to wipe the drive and reinstall from scratch.  First I
will see if I can recover the system.
It is weird.  Bookmarks from the brower, shortcut buttons etc were also all
wiped.

Never seen anything like it...  
Anyone got any suggestions?

Cheers
Darryl.

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From hans.andersen at phulse.com  Wed Apr 25 00:41:19 2012
From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen)
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2012 22:41:19 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Strange happenings (Rather OT,
	but Advice is appreciated)
In-Reply-To: <009c01cd2287$6634d440$329e7cc0$@cox.net>
References: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B50D8E9064@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
	<009c01cd2287$6634d440$329e7cc0$@cox.net>
Message-ID: <5455C3C3-D692-4C82-974B-E42D9F8E17BD@phulse.com>

It could possibly be hardware failure, but you normally wouldn't see files just disappearing, because that would mean the hardware problem is affecting the file system table, which would most likely render your system unbootable.

Saying that, anything is possible, but I think it's more likely to be an NTFS MFT corruption caused by the operating system. This happened to me once - Windows is not bug free. Windows had nuked the MFT and all backup copies of it on the drive and I had to buy expensive recovery software to deep scan the drive for hints of any file it could find (which I luckily succeeded in).

It could also be a virus/root kit, but whatever the case, you should definitely wipe the drive after backing up/recovering data before trusting it any further. It would also be best you do a proper scan of the disk using GRCs SpinRite or one of the many Linux distros that have utilities that scan your hd for defects before you trust it to store your data any further.

If anything, I recommend you first boot your system into an Ubuntu live cd and check the HD file system to see if the files are still missing before proceeding with anything else.

Best of luck

- Hans

Sent from my iPhone

On 2012-04-24, at 7:01 PM, "Doug Murphy" <dw-murphy at cox.net> wrote:

> It could be a rootkit, or a hardware problem. Before spending a lot of time
> on rebuilding on that drive I'd check it. According to Steve Gibson,
> http://www.grc.com/intro.htm, it isn't unusual for drives to start losing
> sectors. I am far from a hardware expert by any means, but drives are cheap
> enough so why rebuild on one that might have problems.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darryl Collins
> Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2012 5:28 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] Strange happenings (Rather OT, but Advice is appreciated)
> 
> (xposted with Excel-L)
> 
> Wow...
> 
> I have a trusty HP desktop, which has worked flawlessly for about 4 years
> now out of the box.  This machine is on for most of the day and night, most
> days and nights. 
> 
> It is basically the family PC in the lounge room.  Last night I was at home
> listening to music on iTunes thru the headphones when I noticed some of the
> tracks in the list started to flag themselves as unavailable - What the???
> 
> Went to the desktop so I could check the folder and stacks of Icons are now
> missing, - there were there not 10 mins ago. I check the folders - stacks of
> files were missing.
> 
> I immediately shut down the whole system, rebooted and the icons and files
> were still missing.  Ran a system restore which got back the programs and
> their icons, but gobs of data had been deleted.
> 
> Luckily I have pretty good backups of my data, and I have also found some
> software that seems to be able to restore most (if not all of the) deleted
> data from the existing drive.
> 
> My question is WTF happened.  It was almost like one of those virus's from
> the mid 90's that kids used to write - You know "Delete all jpgs and mp3".
> 
> Actually it was wiping a whole stack of stuff.
> 
> I am pretty tempted to wipe the drive and reinstall from scratch.  First I
> will see if I can recover the system.
> It is weird.  Bookmarks from the brower, shortcut buttons etc were also all
> wiped.
> 
> Never seen anything like it...  
> Anyone got any suggestions?
> 
> Cheers
> Darryl.
> 
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From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au  Wed Apr 25 02:46:33 2012
From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins)
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 07:46:33 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Strange happenings (Rather OT,
 but Advice is appreciated)
In-Reply-To: <5455C3C3-D692-4C82-974B-E42D9F8E17BD@phulse.com>
References: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B50D8E9064@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
	<009c01cd2287$6634d440$329e7cc0$@cox.net>,
	<5455C3C3-D692-4C82-974B-E42D9F8E17BD@phulse.com>
Message-ID: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B50D8E90C6@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>

Thanks Guys,

Yep, I do have current and active AV software, firewall etc, but of course it is possible wifey or me have downloaded something dumb by accident which has caused the issue.

I downloaded some recovery software and the trial version looks promising - I have had to fly to another city today so not been able to do much.  Hopefully tonight (oz time) I will be able to focus on the issue.

If this software can recovery the files (and it looks like it can) I will fork up the mulla and restore it.

Then back up all the current files, wipe the drive and do a clean install.

I have loaded up my luggage allowance with backup drives, software disks and all that paraphernalia.

Let you know how it goes.
Cheers
Darryl.


Darryl Collins
Whittle Consulting Pty Ltd
Suite 8, 660 Canterbury Rd
Surrey Hills, VIC, 3127

p: +61 3 9898 3242
m: +61 418 381 548
f: +61 3 9898 1855
e: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au
w: www.whittleconsulting.com.au

________________________________________
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] on behalf of Hans-Christian Andersen [hans.andersen at phulse.com]
Sent: Wednesday, 25 April 2012 3:41 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Strange happenings (Rather OT,   but Advice is appreciated)

It could possibly be hardware failure, but you normally wouldn't see files just disappearing, because that would mean the hardware problem is affecting the file system table, which would most likely render your system unbootable.

Saying that, anything is possible, but I think it's more likely to be an NTFS MFT corruption caused by the operating system. This happened to me once - Windows is not bug free. Windows had nuked the MFT and all backup copies of it on the drive and I had to buy expensive recovery software to deep scan the drive for hints of any file it could find (which I luckily succeeded in).

It could also be a virus/root kit, but whatever the case, you should definitely wipe the drive after backing up/recovering data before trusting it any further. It would also be best you do a proper scan of the disk using GRCs SpinRite or one of the many Linux distros that have utilities that scan your hd for defects before you trust it to store your data any further.

If anything, I recommend you first boot your system into an Ubuntu live cd and check the HD file system to see if the files are still missing before proceeding with anything else.

Best of luck

- Hans

Sent from my iPhone

On 2012-04-24, at 7:01 PM, "Doug Murphy" <dw-murphy at cox.net> wrote:

> It could be a rootkit, or a hardware problem. Before spending a lot of time
> on rebuilding on that drive I'd check it. According to Steve Gibson,
> http://www.grc.com/intro.htm, it isn't unusual for drives to start losing
> sectors. I am far from a hardware expert by any means, but drives are cheap
> enough so why rebuild on one that might have problems.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darryl Collins
> Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2012 5:28 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] Strange happenings (Rather OT, but Advice is appreciated)
>
> (xposted with Excel-L)
>
> Wow...
>
> I have a trusty HP desktop, which has worked flawlessly for about 4 years
> now out of the box.  This machine is on for most of the day and night, most
> days and nights.
>
> It is basically the family PC in the lounge room.  Last night I was at home
> listening to music on iTunes thru the headphones when I noticed some of the
> tracks in the list started to flag themselves as unavailable - What the???
>
> Went to the desktop so I could check the folder and stacks of Icons are now
> missing, - there were there not 10 mins ago. I check the folders - stacks of
> files were missing.
>
> I immediately shut down the whole system, rebooted and the icons and files
> were still missing.  Ran a system restore which got back the programs and
> their icons, but gobs of data had been deleted.
>
> Luckily I have pretty good backups of my data, and I have also found some
> software that seems to be able to restore most (if not all of the) deleted
> data from the existing drive.
>
> My question is WTF happened.  It was almost like one of those virus's from
> the mid 90's that kids used to write - You know "Delete all jpgs and mp3".
>
> Actually it was wiping a whole stack of stuff.
>
> I am pretty tempted to wipe the drive and reinstall from scratch.  First I
> will see if I can recover the system.
> It is weird.  Bookmarks from the brower, shortcut buttons etc were also all
> wiped.
>
> Never seen anything like it...
> Anyone got any suggestions?
>
> Cheers
> Darryl.
>
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From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au  Wed Apr 25 02:58:41 2012
From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins)
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 07:58:41 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Strange happenings (Rather OT,
 but Advice is appreciated)
In-Reply-To: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B50D8E90C6@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
References: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B50D8E9064@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
	<009c01cd2287$6634d440$329e7cc0$@cox.net>,
	<5455C3C3-D692-4C82-974B-E42D9F8E17BD@phulse.com>,
	<56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B50D8E90C6@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B50D8E90E0@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>

I should add I will check the drive for integrity - after reading your comments here drive failure is the leading suspect in this - and given this PC works pretty hard it is also quite possible - More likely than the virus angle at this point.

cheers
darryl


Darryl Collins
Whittle Consulting Pty Ltd
Suite 8, 660 Canterbury Rd
Surrey Hills, VIC, 3127

p: +61 3 9898 3242
m: +61 418 381 548
f: +61 3 9898 1855
e: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au
w: www.whittleconsulting.com.au

________________________________________
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] on behalf of Darryl Collins [darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au]
Sent: Wednesday, 25 April 2012 5:46 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Strange happenings (Rather OT, but Advice is appreciated)

Thanks Guys,

Yep, I do have current and active AV software, firewall etc, but of course it is possible wifey or me have downloaded something dumb by accident which has caused the issue.

I downloaded some recovery software and the trial version looks promising - I have had to fly to another city today so not been able to do much.  Hopefully tonight (oz time) I will be able to focus on the issue.

If this software can recovery the files (and it looks like it can) I will fork up the mulla and restore it.

Then back up all the current files, wipe the drive and do a clean install.

I have loaded up my luggage allowance with backup drives, software disks and all that paraphernalia.

Let you know how it goes.
Cheers
Darryl.


Darryl Collins
Whittle Consulting Pty Ltd
Suite 8, 660 Canterbury Rd
Surrey Hills, VIC, 3127

p: +61 3 9898 3242
m: +61 418 381 548
f: +61 3 9898 1855
e: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au
w: www.whittleconsulting.com.au

________________________________________
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] on behalf of Hans-Christian Andersen [hans.andersen at phulse.com]
Sent: Wednesday, 25 April 2012 3:41 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Strange happenings (Rather OT,   but Advice is appreciated)

It could possibly be hardware failure, but you normally wouldn't see files just disappearing, because that would mean the hardware problem is affecting the file system table, which would most likely render your system unbootable.

Saying that, anything is possible, but I think it's more likely to be an NTFS MFT corruption caused by the operating system. This happened to me once - Windows is not bug free. Windows had nuked the MFT and all backup copies of it on the drive and I had to buy expensive recovery software to deep scan the drive for hints of any file it could find (which I luckily succeeded in).

It could also be a virus/root kit, but whatever the case, you should definitely wipe the drive after backing up/recovering data before trusting it any further. It would also be best you do a proper scan of the disk using GRCs SpinRite or one of the many Linux distros that have utilities that scan your hd for defects before you trust it to store your data any further.

If anything, I recommend you first boot your system into an Ubuntu live cd and check the HD file system to see if the files are still missing before proceeding with anything else.

Best of luck

- Hans

Sent from my iPhone

On 2012-04-24, at 7:01 PM, "Doug Murphy" <dw-murphy at cox.net> wrote:

> It could be a rootkit, or a hardware problem. Before spending a lot of time
> on rebuilding on that drive I'd check it. According to Steve Gibson,
> http://www.grc.com/intro.htm, it isn't unusual for drives to start losing
> sectors. I am far from a hardware expert by any means, but drives are cheap
> enough so why rebuild on one that might have problems.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darryl Collins
> Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2012 5:28 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] Strange happenings (Rather OT, but Advice is appreciated)
>
> (xposted with Excel-L)
>
> Wow...
>
> I have a trusty HP desktop, which has worked flawlessly for about 4 years
> now out of the box.  This machine is on for most of the day and night, most
> days and nights.
>
> It is basically the family PC in the lounge room.  Last night I was at home
> listening to music on iTunes thru the headphones when I noticed some of the
> tracks in the list started to flag themselves as unavailable - What the???
>
> Went to the desktop so I could check the folder and stacks of Icons are now
> missing, - there were there not 10 mins ago. I check the folders - stacks of
> files were missing.
>
> I immediately shut down the whole system, rebooted and the icons and files
> were still missing.  Ran a system restore which got back the programs and
> their icons, but gobs of data had been deleted.
>
> Luckily I have pretty good backups of my data, and I have also found some
> software that seems to be able to restore most (if not all of the) deleted
> data from the existing drive.
>
> My question is WTF happened.  It was almost like one of those virus's from
> the mid 90's that kids used to write - You know "Delete all jpgs and mp3".
>
> Actually it was wiping a whole stack of stuff.
>
> I am pretty tempted to wipe the drive and reinstall from scratch.  First I
> will see if I can recover the system.
> It is weird.  Bookmarks from the brower, shortcut buttons etc were also all
> wiped.
>
> Never seen anything like it...
> Anyone got any suggestions?
>
> Cheers
> Darryl.
>
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From jimdettman at verizon.net  Wed Apr 25 07:34:41 2012
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 08:34:41 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Strange happenings (Rather OT,
	but Advice is appreciated)
In-Reply-To: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B50D8E9064@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
References: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B50D8E9064@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <B9E405DD5F524899A2876C7FC116CFB3@XPS>


 Couple of the popular rootkit's/viruses making the rounds right now are
doing this.  They actually don't delete the files, but mark them as hidden
so you think their gone.

 You then get warnings that your having a hard drive failure and a "Click
here" to repair.

 Bleeping computer has an unhide utility that works well:

http://www.bleepingcomputer.com/download/anti-virus/unhide

  I would before doing anything else make sure the options in explorer are
set to show all files and then look and see if the files are really there or
not.  Also a quick check disk to verify that your really not having a hard
drive problem (with a 4 year old machine, you are getting to the point where
HD failure is a distinct possibility).

  If you do have the files and they were hidden, then I'd get TDS Killer to
check for root kits and Rkill to check for anything in memory.

  But if you have a recent backup, you may find it easier just to wipe the
drive and start fresh.  If you haven't done that ever, then with a 4 year
old system it's a good idea anyway.

Jim. 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darryl Collins
Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2012 08:28 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Strange happenings (Rather OT, but Advice is appreciated)

(xposted with Excel-L)

Wow...

I have a trusty HP desktop, which has worked flawlessly for about 4 years
now out of the box.  This machine is on for most of the day and night, most
days and nights. 

It is basically the family PC in the lounge room.  Last night I was at home
listening to music on iTunes thru the headphones when I noticed some of the
tracks in the list started to flag themselves as unavailable - What the???

Went to the desktop so I could check the folder and stacks of Icons are now
missing, - there were there not 10 mins ago. I check the folders - stacks of
files were missing.

I immediately shut down the whole system, rebooted and the icons and files
were still missing.  Ran a system restore which got back the programs and
their icons, but gobs of data had been deleted.

Luckily I have pretty good backups of my data, and I have also found some
software that seems to be able to restore most (if not all of the) deleted
data from the existing drive.

My question is WTF happened.  It was almost like one of those virus's from
the mid 90's that kids used to write - You know "Delete all jpgs and mp3".

Actually it was wiping a whole stack of stuff.

I am pretty tempted to wipe the drive and reinstall from scratch.  First I
will see if I can recover the system.
It is weird.  Bookmarks from the brower, shortcut buttons etc were also all
wiped.

Never seen anything like it...  
Anyone got any suggestions?

Cheers
Darryl.

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From BradM at blackforestltd.com  Wed Apr 25 07:42:08 2012
From: BradM at blackforestltd.com (Brad Marks)
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 07:42:08 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Accessing a Firebird Database with Access 2007
References: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B50D8E9064@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
	<B9E405DD5F524899A2876C7FC116CFB3@XPS>
Message-ID: <E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C59FEB26@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>

All,

I am building an Inquiry and Reporting application with Access 2007 that will pull data from a Firebird Database via ODBC.

Has anyone worked with this Open-Source database?

I am trying to figure out how to ensure READ-ONLY access for the new Inquiry and Reporting Application.

Thanks,
Brad
   

From marksimms at verizon.net  Wed Apr 25 09:53:48 2012
From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms)
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 10:53:48 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Accessing a Firebird Database with Access 2007
In-Reply-To: <E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C59FEB26@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
References: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B50D8E9064@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
	<B9E405DD5F524899A2876C7FC116CFB3@XPS>
	<E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C59FEB26@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
Message-ID: <00a601cd22f3$39560b30$ac022190$@net>

Make sure the Mode is set to Read in the Connection string.

>
> I am trying to figure out how to ensure READ-ONLY access for the new
> Inquiry and Reporting Application.
>
> Thanks,
> Brad
>



From mcp2004 at mail.ru  Thu Apr 26 04:41:15 2012
From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=)
Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 13:41:15 +0400
Subject: [AccessD] =?utf-8?q?The_Access_Developer=27s_Dilemma?=
In-Reply-To: <CAMhYZWY0hifEdBPN6b0TUKp85Whv2P8LiQVFZdD9ycMK7ZTQA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B50D8E8CA6@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
	<CAEPJO1jQEfmuoL-5LJG0XhbB06zCbf1Y0EgDv2kk9Sxv_5o=NQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAMhYZWY0hifEdBPN6b0TUKp85Whv2P8LiQVFZdD9ycMK7ZTQA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <E1SNLCN-0005Zq-5V.mcp2004-mail-ru@f83.mail.ru>

> switched to Android
Well, Android  (+WebTop) is about to acquire(?) a big part of desktop market in "post-PC era": 

http://news.cnet.com/8301-1035_3-57417863-94/meet-googles-secret-weapon-for-fighting-apple-and-microsoft/?tag=content;siu-container

but hold - the referred above very interesting and detailed article informs that: "Webtop's biggest champion, Seang Chau, left Motorola... (and) jumped to Microsoft to lead the mobile division of Skype"...

Thank you.

--Shamil

P.S. I have a WinPhone 7.5 here as well as a couple of Android SmartPhones and Android Internet Pad powered by Tegra owned by my son.
I'm looking at WinPhone 7.5 - and I suppose it "feels" as a business device.
I'm looking and Android devices - and  they still "feel" as "powertoys". 
I can be wrong but it's far from "MS to be beaten by Google or Apple" in "post-PC" war.
IMO they will coexist for a long time driving the mobile (and desktop) communication/computing consumer and business markets by high competition - for all businesses and consumers advantage...


Tue, 24 Apr 2012 09:12:13 -0700 ?? David McAfee <davidmcafee at gmail.com>:
> MS has done it to us too many times, especially on the mobile side.
> 
> Which is why when WM7 came out, we dropped support for them and switched to
> Android.
> 
> 
> 
> On Mon, Apr 23, 2012 at 4:33 PM, Darryl Collins <
> darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au> wrote:
> 
> > "Luckily I was able to figure out what was going on and put out an update
> > pretty quick"
> >
> > This sums up much of the upgrading existing apps to Office 2010
> > experience.  I pity the poor users in a corporate environment whose apps
> > just stop working after years of flawless performance.  Must happen a lot.
> >  A least many of us have the skills and or knowledge on how to fix this
> > stuff (or where to look to find possible solutions).  For some users it
> > really must be a struggle.
> >
> > Cheers
> > Darryl.
> >

<<< tail skipped >>>


From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au  Fri Apr 27 18:25:10 2012
From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins)
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 23:25:10 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Strange happenings (Rather OT,
	but Advice is appreciated)
In-Reply-To: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B50D8E9064@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
References: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B50D8E9064@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B50D8E9354@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>


Well, the story so far, between having a decent backup on a portable drive (of my documents and files at least), file recovery software and a few other nuts and bolt I have managed to get the PC back to close to the original condition.   Lost the bookmarks from Mozilla, stored passwords and other profile info - my fault for not backing that up - but in the scheme of things it all recoverable over time, beside, the bookmark list was getting out of hand and needed a clean up anyway :)

I have run some full disk scans and tests, full virus and rootkit scans as well. Nothing has come up on those.

For the moment I am going to update the scope (a few more app data files and the mozilla profiles for example) and frequency of the backups from this PC from weekly to daily.  If I get a repeat performance of this I will completely wipe the drive and see what happens.

Right now I am just thankful that I am experienced and patient enough to take regular backups of my data - Seriously, if I had not I would have lost pretty much all my personal files in this instance.  The software recovery is useful, but it cannot get back all the files intact - plenty of them were just shells with corrupt data in them.





Darryl Collins
Whittle Consulting Pty Ltd
Suite 8, 660 Canterbury Rd
Surrey Hills, VIC, 3127

p: +61 3 9898 3242
m: +61 418 381 548
f: +61 3 9898 1855
e: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au
w: www.whittleconsulting.com.au

________________________________________
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] on behalf of Darryl Collins [darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au]
Sent: Wednesday, 25 April 2012 10:28 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Strange happenings (Rather OT, but Advice is appreciated)

(xposted with Excel-L)

Wow...

I have a trusty HP desktop, which has worked flawlessly for about 4 years now out of the box.  This machine is on for most of the day and night, most days and nights.

It is basically the family PC in the lounge room.  Last night I was at home listening to music on iTunes thru the headphones when I noticed some of the tracks in the list started to flag themselves as unavailable - What the???

Went to the desktop so I could check the folder and stacks of Icons are now missing, - there were there not 10 mins ago. I check the folders - stacks of files were missing.

I immediately shut down the whole system, rebooted and the icons and files were still missing.  Ran a system restore which got back the programs and their icons, but gobs of data had been deleted.

Luckily I have pretty good backups of my data, and I have also found some software that seems to be able to restore most (if not all of the) deleted data from the existing drive.

My question is WTF happened.  It was almost like one of those virus's from the mid 90's that kids used to write - You know "Delete all jpgs and mp3".

Actually it was wiping a whole stack of stuff.

I am pretty tempted to wipe the drive and reinstall from scratch.  First I will see if I can recover the system.
It is weird.  Bookmarks from the brower, shortcut buttons etc were also all wiped.

Never seen anything like it...
Anyone got any suggestions?

Cheers
Darryl.

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From accessd at shaw.ca  Fri Apr 27 21:31:05 2012
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 19:31:05 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Strange happenings (Rather OT,
	but Advice is appreciated)
In-Reply-To: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B50D8E9354@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
References: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B50D8E9064@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
	<56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B50D8E9354@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <63CB8DCA1798421F930163092033ED74@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Hi Darryl:

It seems doubtful that it was a viral type attack that ravished your system.
Even virus attacks will follow some sort of logical pattern. Now a days the
most powerful malware just attempts gain control of your system or capture
some importance personal data.

It would seem you are having a bit of hardware failure. Most times the
problems are related to hard drive failure but it can just as well be hard
drive control or even a motherboard failures. These type of issues are
usually initiated by local electrically problems, low power, lightning
storms and so on...learned from experience. Using a quality UPS/surge
protector can not be over-stated.

IOW, your hardware is most likely failing and it might be a good time to
replace some or all of your computer equipment before re-installing the
software and data. (There are a number of free and open source pieces of
hardware checking software out there if you wish to narrow down the
problem.)

HTH
Jim     

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darryl Collins
Sent: Friday, April 27, 2012 4:25 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Strange happenings (Rather OT,but Advice is
appreciated)

Well, the story so far, between having a decent backup on a portable drive
(of my documents and files at least), file recovery software and a few other
nuts and bolt I have managed to get the PC back to close to the original
condition.   Lost the bookmarks from Mozilla, stored passwords and other
profile info - my fault for not backing that up - but in the scheme of
things it all recoverable over time, beside, the bookmark list was getting
out of hand and needed a clean up anyway :)

I have run some full disk scans and tests, full virus and rootkit scans as
well. Nothing has come up on those.

For the moment I am going to update the scope (a few more app data files and
the mozilla profiles for example) and frequency of the backups from this PC
from weekly to daily.  If I get a repeat performance of this I will
completely wipe the drive and see what happens.

Right now I am just thankful that I am experienced and patient enough to
take regular backups of my data - Seriously, if I had not I would have lost
pretty much all my personal files in this instance.  The software recovery
is useful, but it cannot get back all the files intact - plenty of them were
just shells with corrupt data in them.





Darryl Collins
Whittle Consulting Pty Ltd
Suite 8, 660 Canterbury Rd
Surrey Hills, VIC, 3127

p: +61 3 9898 3242
m: +61 418 381 548
f: +61 3 9898 1855
e: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au
w: www.whittleconsulting.com.au

________________________________________
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] on behalf of Darryl Collins
[darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au]
Sent: Wednesday, 25 April 2012 10:28 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Strange happenings (Rather OT, but Advice is appreciated)

(xposted with Excel-L)

Wow...

I have a trusty HP desktop, which has worked flawlessly for about 4 years
now out of the box.  This machine is on for most of the day and night, most
days and nights.

It is basically the family PC in the lounge room.  Last night I was at home
listening to music on iTunes thru the headphones when I noticed some of the
tracks in the list started to flag themselves as unavailable - What the???

Went to the desktop so I could check the folder and stacks of Icons are now
missing, - there were there not 10 mins ago. I check the folders - stacks of
files were missing.

I immediately shut down the whole system, rebooted and the icons and files
were still missing.  Ran a system restore which got back the programs and
their icons, but gobs of data had been deleted.

Luckily I have pretty good backups of my data, and I have also found some
software that seems to be able to restore most (if not all of the) deleted
data from the existing drive.

My question is WTF happened.  It was almost like one of those virus's from
the mid 90's that kids used to write - You know "Delete all jpgs and mp3".

Actually it was wiping a whole stack of stuff.

I am pretty tempted to wipe the drive and reinstall from scratch.  First I
will see if I can recover the system.
It is weird.  Bookmarks from the brower, shortcut buttons etc were also all
wiped.

Never seen anything like it...
Anyone got any suggestions?

Cheers
Darryl.

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From hans.andersen at phulse.com  Fri Apr 27 22:15:24 2012
From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen)
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 20:15:24 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Strange happenings (Rather OT,
	but Advice is appreciated)
In-Reply-To: <63CB8DCA1798421F930163092033ED74@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B50D8E9064@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
	<56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B50D8E9354@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
	<63CB8DCA1798421F930163092033ED74@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <8086984F-47C6-452B-AF95-91628B8E1EED@phulse.com>

I honestly still don't believe it's a hard drive failure, because of the way the way NTFS structures your partition and file table etc. You wouldn't see files magically missing. If it were that your hard drive was failing, you'd probably still see those files/directories, although opening them would throw an error or the OS would lock up trying to access them.

It could be some other component of your computer is failing, such as the IDE/SATA controller, but such an event would more likely mean your system can't boot at all.

You haven't mentioned any other oddities such as loud clicking noises, slowness or other such weird behaviour, so I still think it is more likely to be a software failure.

This is the software I used to recover my damaged drive and it was a complete success.

http://www.runtime.org/data-recovery-software.htm

It's not free and I dislike their policy of only allowing the registration code to be used a set number of times (make sure you install it under the administrator account on Windows!), but it did the job well and I had no problems with garbled file names or any such thing.

Let us know what the conclusion to your issue is, as this is an interesting case.

- Hans

Sent from my iPhone

On 2012-04-27, at 7:31 PM, "Jim Lawrence" <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:

> Hi Darryl:
> 
> It seems doubtful that it was a viral type attack that ravished your system.
> Even virus attacks will follow some sort of logical pattern. Now a days the
> most powerful malware just attempts gain control of your system or capture
> some importance personal data.
> 
> It would seem you are having a bit of hardware failure. Most times the
> problems are related to hard drive failure but it can just as well be hard
> drive control or even a motherboard failures. These type of issues are
> usually initiated by local electrically problems, low power, lightning
> storms and so on...learned from experience. Using a quality UPS/surge
> protector can not be over-stated.
> 
> IOW, your hardware is most likely failing and it might be a good time to
> replace some or all of your computer equipment before re-installing the
> software and data. (There are a number of free and open source pieces of
> hardware checking software out there if you wish to narrow down the
> problem.)
> 
> HTH
> Jim     
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darryl Collins
> Sent: Friday, April 27, 2012 4:25 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Strange happenings (Rather OT,but Advice is
> appreciated)
> 
> Well, the story so far, between having a decent backup on a portable drive
> (of my documents and files at least), file recovery software and a few other
> nuts and bolt I have managed to get the PC back to close to the original
> condition.   Lost the bookmarks from Mozilla, stored passwords and other
> profile info - my fault for not backing that up - but in the scheme of
> things it all recoverable over time, beside, the bookmark list was getting
> out of hand and needed a clean up anyway :)
> 
> I have run some full disk scans and tests, full virus and rootkit scans as
> well. Nothing has come up on those.
> 
> For the moment I am going to update the scope (a few more app data files and
> the mozilla profiles for example) and frequency of the backups from this PC
> from weekly to daily.  If I get a repeat performance of this I will
> completely wipe the drive and see what happens.
> 
> Right now I am just thankful that I am experienced and patient enough to
> take regular backups of my data - Seriously, if I had not I would have lost
> pretty much all my personal files in this instance.  The software recovery
> is useful, but it cannot get back all the files intact - plenty of them were
> just shells with corrupt data in them.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Darryl Collins
> Whittle Consulting Pty Ltd
> Suite 8, 660 Canterbury Rd
> Surrey Hills, VIC, 3127
> 
> p: +61 3 9898 3242
> m: +61 418 381 548
> f: +61 3 9898 1855
> e: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au
> w: www.whittleconsulting.com.au
> 
> ________________________________________
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] on behalf of Darryl Collins
> [darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au]
> Sent: Wednesday, 25 April 2012 10:28 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] Strange happenings (Rather OT, but Advice is appreciated)
> 
> (xposted with Excel-L)
> 
> Wow...
> 
> I have a trusty HP desktop, which has worked flawlessly for about 4 years
> now out of the box.  This machine is on for most of the day and night, most
> days and nights.
> 
> It is basically the family PC in the lounge room.  Last night I was at home
> listening to music on iTunes thru the headphones when I noticed some of the
> tracks in the list started to flag themselves as unavailable - What the???
> 
> Went to the desktop so I could check the folder and stacks of Icons are now
> missing, - there were there not 10 mins ago. I check the folders - stacks of
> files were missing.
> 
> I immediately shut down the whole system, rebooted and the icons and files
> were still missing.  Ran a system restore which got back the programs and
> their icons, but gobs of data had been deleted.
> 
> Luckily I have pretty good backups of my data, and I have also found some
> software that seems to be able to restore most (if not all of the) deleted
> data from the existing drive.
> 
> My question is WTF happened.  It was almost like one of those virus's from
> the mid 90's that kids used to write - You know "Delete all jpgs and mp3".
> 
> Actually it was wiping a whole stack of stuff.
> 
> I am pretty tempted to wipe the drive and reinstall from scratch.  First I
> will see if I can recover the system.
> It is weird.  Bookmarks from the brower, shortcut buttons etc were also all
> wiped.
> 
> Never seen anything like it...
> Anyone got any suggestions?
> 
> Cheers
> Darryl.
> 
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From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au  Sun Apr 29 18:21:27 2012
From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins)
Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2012 23:21:27 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Strange happenings (Rather OT,
 but Advice is appreciated)
In-Reply-To: <63CB8DCA1798421F930163092033ED74@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B50D8E9064@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
	<56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B50D8E9354@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
	<63CB8DCA1798421F930163092033ED74@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B50D8E940A@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>

Thanks Guys,

Agreed, it doesn't seem to be either disk failure or virus attack based on the tests I have done.  And so far the brute is running beautifully again and is just purring along nicely as before.  But like having an unfaithful girlfriend I am trying to be believe all will be good again, but deep done I am still distrustful.

Now... Jim, I am very curious about your local electrical issues angle.  This is a contender for sure - the area I live in is oddly '2nd world power supply' quality from time to time - especially during stormy weather - I have a basic surge protector, but perhaps something with more grunt and UPS maybe in order here.

Either way I am curious about this - I have heard about folks having this sort of thing (and there is plenty on Google about "The computer eat my files"), but never experienced - or in this case, witnessed it.  I actually saw the files starting to be flagged as missing from iTunes as it was playing tracks.  Freaky!!

Cheers
Darryl.


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Saturday, 28 April 2012 12:31 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Strange happenings (Rather OT, but Advice is appreciated)

Hi Darryl:

It seems doubtful that it was a viral type attack that ravished your system.
Even virus attacks will follow some sort of logical pattern. Now a days the most powerful malware just attempts gain control of your system or capture some importance personal data.

It would seem you are having a bit of hardware failure. Most times the problems are related to hard drive failure but it can just as well be hard drive control or even a motherboard failures. These type of issues are usually initiated by local electrically problems, low power, lightning storms and so on...learned from experience. Using a quality UPS/surge protector can not be over-stated.

IOW, your hardware is most likely failing and it might be a good time to replace some or all of your computer equipment before re-installing the software and data. (There are a number of free and open source pieces of hardware checking software out there if you wish to narrow down the
problem.)

HTH
Jim     

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darryl Collins
Sent: Friday, April 27, 2012 4:25 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Strange happenings (Rather OT,but Advice is
appreciated)

Well, the story so far, between having a decent backup on a portable drive (of my documents and files at least), file recovery software and a few other nuts and bolt I have managed to get the PC back to close to the original
condition.   Lost the bookmarks from Mozilla, stored passwords and other
profile info - my fault for not backing that up - but in the scheme of things it all recoverable over time, beside, the bookmark list was getting out of hand and needed a clean up anyway :)

I have run some full disk scans and tests, full virus and rootkit scans as well. Nothing has come up on those.

For the moment I am going to update the scope (a few more app data files and the mozilla profiles for example) and frequency of the backups from this PC from weekly to daily.  If I get a repeat performance of this I will completely wipe the drive and see what happens.

Right now I am just thankful that I am experienced and patient enough to take regular backups of my data - Seriously, if I had not I would have lost pretty much all my personal files in this instance.  The software recovery is useful, but it cannot get back all the files intact - plenty of them were just shells with corrupt data in them.





Darryl Collins
Whittle Consulting Pty Ltd
Suite 8, 660 Canterbury Rd
Surrey Hills, VIC, 3127

p: +61 3 9898 3242
m: +61 418 381 548
f: +61 3 9898 1855
e: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au
w: www.whittleconsulting.com.au

________________________________________
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] on behalf of Darryl Collins [darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au]
Sent: Wednesday, 25 April 2012 10:28 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Strange happenings (Rather OT, but Advice is appreciated)

(xposted with Excel-L)

Wow...

I have a trusty HP desktop, which has worked flawlessly for about 4 years now out of the box.  This machine is on for most of the day and night, most days and nights.

It is basically the family PC in the lounge room.  Last night I was at home listening to music on iTunes thru the headphones when I noticed some of the tracks in the list started to flag themselves as unavailable - What the???

Went to the desktop so I could check the folder and stacks of Icons are now missing, - there were there not 10 mins ago. I check the folders - stacks of files were missing.

I immediately shut down the whole system, rebooted and the icons and files were still missing.  Ran a system restore which got back the programs and their icons, but gobs of data had been deleted.

Luckily I have pretty good backups of my data, and I have also found some software that seems to be able to restore most (if not all of the) deleted data from the existing drive.

My question is WTF happened.  It was almost like one of those virus's from the mid 90's that kids used to write - You know "Delete all jpgs and mp3".

Actually it was wiping a whole stack of stuff.

I am pretty tempted to wipe the drive and reinstall from scratch.  First I will see if I can recover the system.
It is weird.  Bookmarks from the brower, shortcut buttons etc were also all wiped.

Never seen anything like it...
Anyone got any suggestions?

Cheers
Darryl.

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From accessd at shaw.ca  Sun Apr 29 19:41:06 2012
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2012 17:41:06 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Strange happenings (Rather OT,
	but Advice is appreciated)
In-Reply-To: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B50D8E940A@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
References: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B50D8E9064@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com><56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B50D8E9354@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com><63CB8DCA1798421F930163092033ED74@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B50D8E940A@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <AB9A1B81B3A54922B733A5F082D04BDD@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Power issues have been blamed on many things and myself and a few hardware
suppliers agree that, in some cases, there is no other logical reason.

The hardware in a computer is very delicate and can be easily affected but
surges but the worse is brown-outs. Brown-outs are not something that a
surge protector can block, for this you have to have a UPS. 

Had a client who was continually complaining of corrupted files but when we
had attached a UPS to the computer's power supply the problem was solved and
shortly there after the cause was discovered. Every time some one started
the copier the UPS would beep so they moved the copier to another circuit.

I have another client who has a group of computers in a warehouse. Every
couple of years we had to replace the units and they always failed and it
was some weird problem on the mother board. We finally put a UPS on every
new computer and some of the units are now four years old. It turned out
that a large refrigerating unit was drawing huge amounts of power and
hammering the computers.

Now of course this may not be the problem but it is the first place I would
look...especially if the cause is not consistent or apparent.

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darryl Collins
Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2012 4:21 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Strange happenings (Rather OT, but Advice is
appreciated)

Thanks Guys,

Agreed, it doesn't seem to be either disk failure or virus attack based on
the tests I have done.  And so far the brute is running beautifully again
and is just purring along nicely as before.  But like having an unfaithful
girlfriend I am trying to be believe all will be good again, but deep done I
am still distrustful.

Now... Jim, I am very curious about your local electrical issues angle.
This is a contender for sure - the area I live in is oddly '2nd world power
supply' quality from time to time - especially during stormy weather - I
have a basic surge protector, but perhaps something with more grunt and UPS
maybe in order here.

Either way I am curious about this - I have heard about folks having this
sort of thing (and there is plenty on Google about "The computer eat my
files"), but never experienced - or in this case, witnessed it.  I actually
saw the files starting to be flagged as missing from iTunes as it was
playing tracks.  Freaky!!

Cheers
Darryl.


From accessd at shaw.ca  Sun Apr 29 19:47:44 2012
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2012 17:47:44 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Visual Studio and Active Directory
In-Reply-To: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B50D8E940A@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
References: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B50D8E9064@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com><56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B50D8E9354@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com><63CB8DCA1798421F930163092033ED74@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B50D8E940A@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <D7D4FE03638A48EA86210106FE6E9549@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Hi All:

Does any one know how Visual Studio could connect to Active Directory?

TIA
Jim 


From vbacreations at gmail.com  Sun Apr 29 20:11:38 2012
From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson (VBACreations.Com))
Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2012 21:11:38 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Visual Studio and Active Directory
In-Reply-To: <D7D4FE03638A48EA86210106FE6E9549@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B50D8E9064@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com><56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B50D8E9354@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com><63CB8DCA1798421F930163092033ED74@creativesystemdesigns.com>	<56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B50D8E940A@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
	<D7D4FE03638A48EA86210106FE6E9549@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <001a01cd266e$325769e0$97063da0$@gmail.com>

You did not specify .NET, so I hardly know if my search of Google has led to
a relevant lead, but something mentions the DirectoryServices namespace of
the .NET Framework.

http://channel9.msdn.com/Blogs/RobertShelton/Searching-Active-Directory-with
-NET-Visual-Studio-2005


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2012 8:48 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Visual Studio and Active Directory

Hi All:

Does any one know how Visual Studio could connect to Active Directory?

TIA
Jim 

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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Sun Apr 29 22:12:03 2012
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 13:12:03 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Strange happenings (Rather OT,
	but Advice is appreciated)
In-Reply-To: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B50D8E940A@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
References: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B50D8E9064@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>,
	<63CB8DCA1798421F930163092033ED74@creativesystemdesigns.com>,
	<56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B50D8E940A@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <4F9E0303.15133.5C7DAFF3@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

I originally thought that the files were disappearing in Explorer from your description.

If they only disappeared from iTunes, that is a different matter.

If iTunes tried to read the file and couldn't because of a bad sector, it may well have removed 
it from the playlist.

That makes it sound more like disk corruption.  if they disappeared from Explorer, it is more 
likely to be another cause.

-- 
Stuart

On 29 Apr 2012 at 23:21, Darryl Collins wrote:
> 
> Either way I am curious about this - I have heard about folks having
> this sort of thing (and there is plenty on Google about "The computer
> eat my files"), but never experienced - or in this case, witnessed it.
>  I actually saw the files starting to be flagged as missing from
> iTunes as it was playing tracks.  Freaky!! 
> 
> Cheers
> Darryl.
> 


From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au  Sun Apr 29 22:52:53 2012
From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins)
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 03:52:53 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Strange happenings (Rather OT,
 but Advice is appreciated)
In-Reply-To: <4F9E0303.15133.5C7DAFF3@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B50D8E9064@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>,
	<63CB8DCA1798421F930163092033ED74@creativesystemdesigns.com>,
	<56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B50D8E940A@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
	<4F9E0303.15133.5C7DAFF3@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B50D8E963C@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>

Oh no - it wasn't just an iTunes/ mp3 issue, All types of files were being deleted from all over the disk, I only noticed it happening as I was in iTunes at the time, and iTunes started to report the files missing.  The mp3 collection was just a small part of the total GB's of data that got trashed.  It was global.  Program files, system files, all my docs, whatever....  They all got gobbled up.

They disappeared from Explorer all right, I definitely check that first, however once I saw that I pretty much hibernated the PC so I didn't overwrite any more disk sectors flagged for deletion.   I did download a recovery tool and  I could recover much of the deleted data via this specialised recovery software.  Many files had absolutely been deleted.  Damn weird I admit.  Got me very curious this whole thing.

Cheers
Darryl.



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
Sent: Monday, 30 April 2012 1:12 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Strange happenings (Rather OT, but Advice is appreciated)

I originally thought that the files were disappearing in Explorer from your description.

If they only disappeared from iTunes, that is a different matter.

If iTunes tried to read the file and couldn't because of a bad sector, it may well have removed it from the playlist.

That makes it sound more like disk corruption.  if they disappeared from Explorer, it is more likely to be another cause.

--
Stuart

On 29 Apr 2012 at 23:21, Darryl Collins wrote:
> 
> Either way I am curious about this - I have heard about folks having 
> this sort of thing (and there is plenty on Google about "The computer 
> eat my files"), but never experienced - or in this case, witnessed it.
>  I actually saw the files starting to be flagged as missing from 
> iTunes as it was playing tracks.  Freaky!!
> 
> Cheers
> Darryl.
> 

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From accessd at shaw.ca  Mon Apr 30 01:00:48 2012
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2012 23:00:48 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Visual Studio and Active Directory
In-Reply-To: <001a01cd266e$325769e0$97063da0$@gmail.com>
References: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B50D8E9064@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com><56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B50D8E9354@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com><63CB8DCA1798421F930163092033ED74@creativesystemdesigns.com>	<56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B50D8E940A@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com><D7D4FE03638A48EA86210106FE6E9549@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<001a01cd266e$325769e0$97063da0$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <54716FB2E88546EDA0966DE098CDB036@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Thank you William. I will go over this as it looks like a good where to
start vid.

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Benson
(VBACreations.Com)
Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2012 6:12 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Visual Studio and Active Directory

You did not specify .NET, so I hardly know if my search of Google has led to
a relevant lead, but something mentions the DirectoryServices namespace of
the .NET Framework.

http://channel9.msdn.com/Blogs/RobertShelton/Searching-Active-Directory-with
-NET-Visual-Studio-2005


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2012 8:48 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Visual Studio and Active Directory

Hi All:

Does any one know how Visual Studio could connect to Active Directory?

TIA
Jim 

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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Apr 30 08:32:30 2012
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 09:32:30 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Strange happenings (Rather OT,
	but Advice is appreciated)
In-Reply-To: <AB9A1B81B3A54922B733A5F082D04BDD@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B50D8E9064@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com><56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B50D8E9354@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com><63CB8DCA1798421F930163092033ED74@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B50D8E940A@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
	<AB9A1B81B3A54922B733A5F082D04BDD@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <4F9E946E.4020102@colbyconsulting.com>

Electrical motors put enormous spikes (back emf) on the power lines.  It can even be from the 
factory next door or down the road.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Counter-electromotive_force

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 4/29/2012 8:41 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote:
> Power issues have been blamed on many things and myself and a few hardware
> suppliers agree that, in some cases, there is no other logical reason.
>
> The hardware in a computer is very delicate and can be easily affected but
> surges but the worse is brown-outs. Brown-outs are not something that a
> surge protector can block, for this you have to have a UPS.
>
> Had a client who was continually complaining of corrupted files but when we
> had attached a UPS to the computer's power supply the problem was solved and
> shortly there after the cause was discovered. Every time some one started
> the copier the UPS would beep so they moved the copier to another circuit.
>
> I have another client who has a group of computers in a warehouse. Every
> couple of years we had to replace the units and they always failed and it
> was some weird problem on the mother board. We finally put a UPS on every
> new computer and some of the units are now four years old. It turned out
> that a large refrigerating unit was drawing huge amounts of power and
> hammering the computers.
>
> Now of course this may not be the problem but it is the first place I would
> look...especially if the cause is not consistent or apparent.
>
> Jim
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darryl Collins
> Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2012 4:21 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Strange happenings (Rather OT, but Advice is
> appreciated)
>
> Thanks Guys,
>
> Agreed, it doesn't seem to be either disk failure or virus attack based on
> the tests I have done.  And so far the brute is running beautifully again
> and is just purring along nicely as before.  But like having an unfaithful
> girlfriend I am trying to be believe all will be good again, but deep done I
> am still distrustful.
>
> Now... Jim, I am very curious about your local electrical issues angle.
> This is a contender for sure - the area I live in is oddly '2nd world power
> supply' quality from time to time - especially during stormy weather - I
> have a basic surge protector, but perhaps something with more grunt and UPS
> maybe in order here.
>
> Either way I am curious about this - I have heard about folks having this
> sort of thing (and there is plenty on Google about "The computer eat my
> files"), but never experienced - or in this case, witnessed it.  I actually
> saw the files starting to be flagged as missing from iTunes as it was
> playing tracks.  Freaky!!
>
> Cheers
> Darryl.
>


From accessd at shaw.ca  Mon Apr 30 11:16:58 2012
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 09:16:58 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Strange happenings (Rather OT,
	but Advice is appreciated)
In-Reply-To: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B50D8E963C@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
References: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B50D8E9064@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>,
	<63CB8DCA1798421F930163092033ED74@creativesystemdesigns.com>,
	<56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B50D8E940A@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com><4F9E0303.15133.5C7DAFF3@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B50D8E963C@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <48BC27EC7A0B4379927B43FC30828E4B@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Hi Darryl:

One more comment. 

I assume you have tested your computer with a group of virus detection
software. A client just send me a note, this morning saying they had
detected a piece of Malware using Avast virus detection software.
Considering that the infected computer also had Essentials and Vipre
running, it would suggest the malware designers spend as much time avoiding
detection from anti-virus software as they do propagated.

I would assume you have used a host of AV software on the computer in
question?

Jim 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darryl Collins
Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2012 8:53 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Strange happenings (Rather OT, but Advice is
appreciated)

Oh no - it wasn't just an iTunes/ mp3 issue, All types of files were being
deleted from all over the disk, I only noticed it happening as I was in
iTunes at the time, and iTunes started to report the files missing.  The mp3
collection was just a small part of the total GB's of data that got trashed.
It was global.  Program files, system files, all my docs, whatever....  They
all got gobbled up.

They disappeared from Explorer all right, I definitely check that first,
however once I saw that I pretty much hibernated the PC so I didn't
overwrite any more disk sectors flagged for deletion.   I did download a
recovery tool and  I could recover much of the deleted data via this
specialised recovery software.  Many files had absolutely been deleted.
Damn weird I admit.  Got me very curious this whole thing.

Cheers
Darryl.



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
Sent: Monday, 30 April 2012 1:12 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Strange happenings (Rather OT, but Advice is
appreciated)

I originally thought that the files were disappearing in Explorer from your
description.

If they only disappeared from iTunes, that is a different matter.

If iTunes tried to read the file and couldn't because of a bad sector, it
may well have removed it from the playlist.

That makes it sound more like disk corruption.  if they disappeared from
Explorer, it is more likely to be another cause.

--
Stuart

On 29 Apr 2012 at 23:21, Darryl Collins wrote:
> 
> Either way I am curious about this - I have heard about folks having 
> this sort of thing (and there is plenty on Google about "The computer 
> eat my files"), but never experienced - or in this case, witnessed it.
>  I actually saw the files starting to be flagged as missing from 
> iTunes as it was playing tracks.  Freaky!!
> 
> Cheers
> Darryl.
> 

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From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au  Mon Apr 30 19:08:57 2012
From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins)
Date: Tue, 1 May 2012 00:08:57 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Strange happenings (Rather OT,
 but Advice is appreciated)
In-Reply-To: <48BC27EC7A0B4379927B43FC30828E4B@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B50D8E9064@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>,
	<63CB8DCA1798421F930163092033ED74@creativesystemdesigns.com>,
	<56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B50D8E940A@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com><4F9E0303.15133.5C7DAFF3@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B50D8E963C@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
	<48BC27EC7A0B4379927B43FC30828E4B@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B50D8E98C0@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>

Yeah, I have Avast on this unit, but I also ran two separate tests (Sophos & MS Essentials - both using full scans).  That said, I agree with you - I suspect the folks who write this stuff are pretty darn crafty at getting around these systems too.



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Tuesday, 1 May 2012 2:17 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Strange happenings (Rather OT, but Advice is appreciated)

Hi Darryl:

One more comment. 

I assume you have tested your computer with a group of virus detection software. A client just send me a note, this morning saying they had detected a piece of Malware using Avast virus detection software.
Considering that the infected computer also had Essentials and Vipre running, it would suggest the malware designers spend as much time avoiding detection from anti-virus software as they do propagated.

I would assume you have used a host of AV software on the computer in question?

Jim 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darryl Collins
Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2012 8:53 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Strange happenings (Rather OT, but Advice is
appreciated)

Oh no - it wasn't just an iTunes/ mp3 issue, All types of files were being deleted from all over the disk, I only noticed it happening as I was in iTunes at the time, and iTunes started to report the files missing.  The mp3 collection was just a small part of the total GB's of data that got trashed.
It was global.  Program files, system files, all my docs, whatever....  They all got gobbled up.

They disappeared from Explorer all right, I definitely check that first, however once I saw that I pretty much hibernated the PC so I didn't
overwrite any more disk sectors flagged for deletion.   I did download a
recovery tool and  I could recover much of the deleted data via this specialised recovery software.  Many files had absolutely been deleted.
Damn weird I admit.  Got me very curious this whole thing.

Cheers
Darryl.



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
Sent: Monday, 30 April 2012 1:12 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Strange happenings (Rather OT, but Advice is
appreciated)

I originally thought that the files were disappearing in Explorer from your description.

If they only disappeared from iTunes, that is a different matter.

If iTunes tried to read the file and couldn't because of a bad sector, it may well have removed it from the playlist.

That makes it sound more like disk corruption.  if they disappeared from Explorer, it is more likely to be another cause.

--
Stuart

On 29 Apr 2012 at 23:21, Darryl Collins wrote:
> 
> Either way I am curious about this - I have heard about folks having 
> this sort of thing (and there is plenty on Google about "The computer 
> eat my files"), but never experienced - or in this case, witnessed it.
>  I actually saw the files starting to be flagged as missing from 
> iTunes as it was playing tracks.  Freaky!!
> 
> Cheers
> Darryl.
> 

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