From hans.andersen at phulse.com  Sun Jul  1 05:09:39 2012
From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen)
Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2012 03:09:39 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Cheap windows
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I assumed we could  :)  what's the problem?

Best regards,
Hans-Christian Andersen


On 30 Jun 2012, at 13:26, jwcolby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:

> >when you can have a full, server and desktop grade operating system for completely free.
> 
> Which runs 3rd party windows apps?  I assume we are not talking Linux here?
> 
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
> 
> Reality is what refuses to go away
> when you do not believe in it
> 
> 
> On 6/30/2012 3:59 PM, Hans-Christian Andersen wrote:
>> when you can have a full, server and desktop grade operating system for completely free.
> 
> 
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sun Jul  1 06:44:35 2012
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Sun, 01 Jul 2012 07:44:35 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Cheap windows
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 > I assumed we could  :)  what's the problem?

I'm confused.

I need virtual machines which run a Foxpro for Windows application purchased from a vendor.  I 
purchased these $30 licenses for Windows to run in those virtual machines.  I already have one of 
the VMs up and running one of these cheap licenses.

 >>> when you can have a full, server and desktop grade operating system for completely free.

If you are talking about Linux, then free isn't exactly free since I have to spend dozens if not 
hundreds of hours getting myself up to speed on something I don't use, then getting them to run 
(running Linux in Hyper-V was non-trivial, I have tried), then getting something like Wine to 
emulate windows then dealing with any headaches of incompatibility...

A $30 license for the real thing (Windows) looks mighty fine to me!

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it


On 7/1/2012 6:09 AM, Hans-Christian Andersen wrote:
> I assumed we could  :)  what's the problem?
>
> Best regards,
> Hans-Christian Andersen
>
>
> On 30 Jun 2012, at 13:26, jwcolby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
>
>>> when you can have a full, server and desktop grade operating system for completely free.
>>
>> Which runs 3rd party windows apps?  I assume we are not talking Linux here?
>>
>> John W. Colby
>> Colby Consulting
>>
>> Reality is what refuses to go away
>> when you do not believe in it
>>
>>
>> On 6/30/2012 3:59 PM, Hans-Christian Andersen wrote:
>>> when you can have a full, server and desktop grade operating system for completely free.
>>
>>
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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Sun Jul  1 09:40:36 2012
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2012 10:40:36 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Can I migrate the boot disk?
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Acronis TrueImage might do the trick for you.

On Sat, Jun 30, 2012 at 12:24 AM, jwcolby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>wrote:

> I have a server which boots off of an old 500g disk.  I bought a pair of
> 500K seagate Momentus XT disks which I want to Raid1, make bootable, then
> migrate the boot disk to that new raid1 volume.  Is this possible at all?
>
>
> --
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>
> Reality is what refuses to go away
> when you do not believe in it
>
>
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>



-- 
Arthur
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Prediction is difficult, especially of the future.
  -- Niels Bohr

From tinanfields at torchlake.com  Sun Jul  1 12:27:49 2012
From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields)
Date: Sun, 01 Jul 2012 13:27:49 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Raspberry PI
In-Reply-To: <4FEF431F.8090407@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <CAEPJO1iLtSbe-RY+hrZdTr=+FRDRRjhpE+-f80Vfp0nc5=jBow@mail.gmail.com><44B21A90D0F14610808D447F63BA8BB1@creativesystemdesigns.com><CAEPJO1iFpBTq_pRF7Vu3Myq7jX7WMTuaONZUPtR5zzUJwHcY5w@mail.gmail.com><17781B3C51374A72B55864E9C9BEC176@creativesystemdesigns.com><6BFE9A58-E9A8-4AE8-80F5-830E4B70AB13@phulse.com><66E84EF8B7A044F992C15CA2F2A1D468@creativesystemdesigns.com><24E21CF8-C14C-4F6E-9C59-FABBC5B33F52@phulse.com><2D37FEFE7132478381A1D117ED5CFCA5@creativesystemdesigns.com><5546B40F-F912-461C-9412-F4614DC9DA95@phulse.com><575ABE5AA8A94530B68D9E82E037406D@creativesystemdesigns.com>
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Hi John,

Well, I got my order placed and paid for.  The store site and checkout 
said the order would be dispatched in 12 weeks - so, I'm looking for 
mine the end of September.

T

Tina Norris Fields
tinanfields at torchlake.com
231-322-2787

On 6/30/2012 2:19 PM, jwcolby wrote:
> Does anyone in the group have one yet.  Mine is supposedly shipping 
> but I have never received anything like a date I will have it.
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
>
> Reality is what refuses to go away
> when you do not believe in it
>
>
> On 6/28/2012 9:17 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote:
>> So what can you do with your new $40.00 Raspberry PI?
>>
>> The link below says just about anything.
>>
>> http://www.techrepublic.com/photos/anyone-for-pi-mods-and-hacks-for-the-rasp 
>>
>> berry-pi/6371651?tag=nl.e099
>>
>> Jim
>>
>
>



From tinanfields at torchlake.com  Sun Jul  1 12:48:59 2012
From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields)
Date: Sun, 01 Jul 2012 13:48:59 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] You Guys make Me Sick
In-Reply-To: <2B8223C1270F4CB78BAF5A5882FD4CB1@HAL9007>
References: <AED88903598F47B688B8A9575128EE9D@TonySeptav><9C6D0C64280048F493FA0E61D1A0FA32@SusanHarkins><014001cd506f$8949cec0$9bdd6c40$@net><4FE48509.7020803@colbyconsulting.com><4FE48884.9050808@torchlake.com><211404D13EA34407A85D4E85672A16E0@SusanHarkins><E626F177719B48019FA59726F3E1469A@HAL9007>
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Pretty much what I am doing - teaching people how to make things work on 
the computer - especially the Microsoft Office Suite - teaching online 
courses such as the Kirkpatrick Signature Series course cluster I teach 
at Bellevue - taking part in my local government - playing the piano - 
messing with gadgets of all kinds - singing with my friends - walking in 
the woods - tutoring kids in math and reading - writing.  Well, I'd also 
study more languages and do a bunch more traveling - there are a lot of 
places I haven't visited, yet in this world - and I'd do the research 
I've been thinking about on the disconnect between American citizens and 
their government (the one that is supposed to be of, by, and for them).  
See, everything fascinates me.  I have this never-ending curiosity about 
everything.
T

Tina Norris Fields
tinanfields at torchlake.com
231-322-2787

On 6/28/2012 10:07 AM, Rocky Smolin wrote:
> No worries.  You've got time.  :) What would you do if you didn't need the
> income?
>
> R
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina Norris
> Fields
> Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2012 5:31 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] You Guys make Me Sick
>
> Well, I'd like to be a concert pianist.  Give me another twenty years of
> practicing every day and I might make it.  Imagine that!  A little old lady
> making her Carnegie Hall debut!  Hmmm - maybe not.  But, I still like to
> figure out the logic behind things and make things work, so, I'm not ready
> to give up on development.  Mostly, I love to teach, to share knowledge, and
> to watch other people have that "Aha!" moment.  Gee, Rocky, I'm not really
> sure what I want to be when I grow up.
> T
>
> Tina Norris Fields
> tinanfields at torchlake.com
> 231-322-2787
>
> On 6/22/2012 11:29 AM, Rocky Smolin wrote:
>> We need to redefine yourselves for this stage of life.  Who wants to
>> be a programmer right up to the last day?
>>
>> You're going to be a horticulturist and wild life specialist.   I'm going
> to
>> be a jazz bassist.   Tina?
>>
>> Rocky
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan
>> Harkins
>> Sent: Friday, June 22, 2012 8:26 AM
>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] You Guys make Me Sick
>>
>> Well, I only work two days a week now -- I can't expect to make as
>> much as I use to, but the work dwindled before I decided to
>> semi-retire. Now that Apple has decided to make the Internet obsolete
>> (no clue what they're talking about) who knows where we'll all end up.
>>
>> Susan H.
>>
>>
>>> Well, I guess that says it all - we just have to switch development
> tools.
>>> Thanks, John, for the confirmation - 'cause right now, I'm with Mark
>>> and Susan - much lower income than I was pulling in twenty years ago.
>> Dang!
>>> T
>>>
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sun Jul  1 13:15:27 2012
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Sun, 01 Jul 2012 14:15:27 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Raspberry PI
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Likewise ordered and paid for.  I don't recall a promised date.  I just figure I will be pleasantly 
surprised when it arrives.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it


On 7/1/2012 1:27 PM, Tina Norris Fields wrote:
> Hi John,
>
> Well, I got my order placed and paid for.  The store site and checkout said the order would be
> dispatched in 12 weeks - so, I'm looking for mine the end of September.
>
> T
>
> Tina Norris Fields
> tinanfields at torchlake.com
> 231-322-2787
>
> On 6/30/2012 2:19 PM, jwcolby wrote:
>> Does anyone in the group have one yet.  Mine is supposedly shipping but I have never received
>> anything like a date I will have it.
>>
>> John W. Colby
>> Colby Consulting
>>
>> Reality is what refuses to go away
>> when you do not believe in it
>>
>>
>> On 6/28/2012 9:17 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote:
>>> So what can you do with your new $40.00 Raspberry PI?
>>>
>>> The link below says just about anything.
>>>
>>> http://www.techrepublic.com/photos/anyone-for-pi-mods-and-hacks-for-the-rasp
>>> berry-pi/6371651?tag=nl.e099
>>>
>>> Jim
>>>
>>
>>
>
>



From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au  Sun Jul  1 19:09:47 2012
From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins)
Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2012 00:09:47 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] OT (kinda) - 2nd time in as many days.
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" It's really your own fault for being indecisive."

Hahahaha, that is an outstanding reply and makes perfect sense.  It completely explains so many of the bugs and issues I have come across over the years!! : )  

Nice one Andy!
Cheers
Darryl.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andy Lacey
Sent: Sunday, 1 July 2012 4:36 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT (kinda) - 2nd time in as many days.

Actually Arthur it's a new feature called predictive page numbering. I think you'll find that at some point you THOUGHT of typing a 3rd page, Word picked up on this but the software has a bug that fails to detect a last minute change of mind. It's really your own fault for being indecisive.

Andy

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: 30 June 2012 18:15
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT (kinda) - 2nd time in as many days.


Listen baby, I got this printout from Word -- you would think that a few testers have shaken her stirrups, so to speak. But this escaped from Word 2010.

Page footer:
Page 3 of 2.

I cannot explain this. One would assume that about 100K testers were at work upon this product, so how did this escape them all? Perhaps it demands that you actually print a document that comprises at least 3 pages, which I can in the interest of trees, forgive. Pixels on the other hand are recyclable, and hence one might read and then re-read an article, and then click Next on the preview page, only to discover that there is no Page 3 of 2. And than what shall I tell my grandmother? It's all the fault of (enough slagging of Bill Gates, it's Ron Allen's time! Despite his Jimi Hendrix museum -- and I am probably the most devoted subject to the memory of Jimi.

I digress. How did "Page 3 of 2" escape the millions of beta testers of Word? I cannot even begin to guess how this happened. Possibly they (the beta testers) were born on another planet. That's my best guess.

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From hans.andersen at phulse.com  Sun Jul  1 22:47:17 2012
From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen)
Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2012 20:47:17 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Cheap windows
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> I need virtual machines which run a Foxpro for Windows application purchased from a vendor.  I purchased these $30 licenses for Windows to run in those virtual machines.  I already have one of the VMs up and running one of these cheap licenses.

Well, you have options.  FoxPro for Windows can run fine under Wine + Linux/FreeBSD. Also, FoxPro 2.6 for Unix can be installed on Linux and FreeBSD using the Intel Binary Compatibility Standard (ibcs2) support library.

> If you are talking about Linux, then free isn't exactly free since I have to spend dozens if not hundreds of hours getting myself up to speed on something I don't use, then getting them to run (running Linux in Hyper-V was non-trivial, I have tried), then getting something like Wine to emulate windows then dealing with any headaches of incompatibility...

We could be talking about FreeBSD as well and, yes, they are both truly free in every sense of the word. If you haven't got the spare time to learn something new or your specifications are too restricting, then this is obviously going to have to be a problem you throw money at. Also, I certainly can't speak about HyperV - it is a Microsoft technology, so we know who is at issue if other operating systems are unable to run under it. :) There are plenty of other options you could choose to go with instead (VirtualBox, VMWare, etc).

Regarding Wine, the great thing about free is that it only takes 10-15 minutes of your time to actually try it to find out if there are any incompatibility issues (but, imo, I'm 99.9% certain you won't have any issues).

In any event, $120 may have worth it to you and it may be cheap compared to what you are used to paying, but it's still not cheap overall. To put things into perspective, $30 is the same price Apple charges for their entire operating system without limitations and Apple users are the ones we normally associate with spending too much money on things.

I'm not recommending you do anything differently, I just think it's a shame you have to spend that much money on something that is a product with deliberate limitations just to run a single application on each, when there are free alternatives out there which are just as good (or better, depending on who you ask).

Hans


On 2012-07-01, at 4:44 AM, jwcolby wrote:

> > I assumed we could  :)  what's the problem?
> 
> I'm confused.
> 
> I need virtual machines which run a Foxpro for Windows application purchased from a vendor.  I purchased these $30 licenses for Windows to run in those virtual machines.  I already have one of the VMs up and running one of these cheap licenses.
> 
> >>> when you can have a full, server and desktop grade operating system for completely free.
> 
> If you are talking about Linux, then free isn't exactly free since I have to spend dozens if not hundreds of hours getting myself up to speed on something I don't use, then getting them to run (running Linux in Hyper-V was non-trivial, I have tried), then getting something like Wine to emulate windows then dealing with any headaches of incompatibility...
> 
> A $30 license for the real thing (Windows) looks mighty fine to me!
> 
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
> 
> Reality is what refuses to go away
> when you do not believe in it
> 
> 
> On 7/1/2012 6:09 AM, Hans-Christian Andersen wrote:
>> I assumed we could  :)  what's the problem?
>> 
>> Best regards,
>> Hans-Christian Andersen
>> 
>> 
>> On 30 Jun 2012, at 13:26, jwcolby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
>> 
>>>> when you can have a full, server and desktop grade operating system for completely free.
>>> 
>>> Which runs 3rd party windows apps?  I assume we are not talking Linux here?
>>> 
>>> John W. Colby
>>> Colby Consulting
>>> 
>>> Reality is what refuses to go away
>>> when you do not believe in it
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 6/30/2012 3:59 PM, Hans-Christian Andersen wrote:
>>>> when you can have a full, server and desktop grade operating system for completely free.
>>> 
>>> 
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>> 
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sun Jul  1 23:49:42 2012
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2012 00:49:42 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Cheap windows
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Yep, for a shop already familiar with Linux what you say makes absolute sense.  For me it makes no 
sense at all, believe me.

It takes a mere 2 hours of my time spent trying to do the Linux thing to pay for the 4 copies of 
Windows I purchased.  About two years ago I spent waaaay more than that trying to get any version of 
Linux installed under Hyper-V and failed.

In the end, it simply doesn't matter that Microsoft makes no effort to get Linux running under 
Hyper-V, what matters is that I know and can do Hyper-V Windows XYZ VMs in a matter of minutes, 
whereas Linux would be a huge time suck which I can ill afford.

Emulators are wonderful things.  I am constantly amazed that VMs work at all.  But to run a linux vm 
and then run Wine in that to try and avoid paying $30 (or $120) doesn't make any sense to me.  I 
cannot imagine that I could get Linux machines running and then get wine running in that and then 
get my app running in that in less than a week, and it could stretch into many weeks given I know 
absolutely nothing about Linux.

I already have Hyper-V running, have learned how to make it work, and have used it for several 
years.  I already have VMs running for my dev machine running C# and SQL Server, where I do my coding.

Since all of my business is with clients running Microsoft software, and since I have spent 30 years 
learning Microsoft software, and the last 5 years learning SQL Server and C#, what is the point?

I understand that those who have a business reason to go with Linux are distraught that the rest of 
the world blindly continues to run MS products but that is the world my clients live in and thus the 
world I live in.  I will never convince my clients to stop using their sql server and Office and it 
is not my business to even try to do so.

So when I found a license for a stripped down Windows 2008 for $30 I jumped on it.  I don't think I 
have ever seen a license for ANY version of windows for $30!  It certainly appears to do what I 
need.  We shall see.

 > Well, you have options.  FoxPro for Windows can run fine under Wine + Linux/FreeBSD. Also, FoxPro 
2.6 for Unix can be installed on Linux and FreeBSD using the Intel Binary Compatibility Standard 
(ibcs2) support library.

Do you have any idea what that sounds like to me?  Are you even speaking English?  It sounds like 
you are coughing up a tarball.  ;)  (tarball is about as much as I know about Linux!)

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it


On 7/1/2012 11:47 PM, Hans-Christian Andersen wrote:
>
>> I need virtual machines which run a Foxpro for Windows application purchased from a vendor.  I purchased these $30 licenses for Windows to run in those virtual machines.  I already have one of the VMs up and running one of these cheap licenses.
>
> Well, you have options.  FoxPro for Windows can run fine under Wine + Linux/FreeBSD. Also, FoxPro 2.6 for Unix can be installed on Linux and FreeBSD using the Intel Binary Compatibility Standard (ibcs2) support library.
>
>> If you are talking about Linux, then free isn't exactly free since I have to spend dozens if not hundreds of hours getting myself up to speed on something I don't use, then getting them to run (running Linux in Hyper-V was non-trivial, I have tried), then getting something like Wine to emulate windows then dealing with any headaches of incompatibility...
>
> We could be talking about FreeBSD as well and, yes, they are both truly free in every sense of the word. If you haven't got the spare time to learn something new or your specifications are too restricting, then this is obviously going to have to be a problem you throw money at. Also, I certainly can't speak about HyperV - it is a Microsoft technology, so we know who is at issue if other operating systems are unable to run under it. :) There are plenty of other options you could choose to go with instead (VirtualBox, VMWare, etc).
>
> Regarding Wine, the great thing about free is that it only takes 10-15 minutes of your time to actually try it to find out if there are any incompatibility issues (but, imo, I'm 99.9% certain you won't have any issues).
>
> In any event, $120 may have worth it to you and it may be cheap compared to what you are used to paying, but it's still not cheap overall. To put things into perspective, $30 is the same price Apple charges for their entire operating system without limitations and Apple users are the ones we normally associate with spending too much money on things.
>
> I'm not recommending you do anything differently, I just think it's a shame you have to spend that much money on something that is a product with deliberate limitations just to run a single application on each, when there are free alternatives out there which are just as good (or better, depending on who you ask).
>
> Hans


From vbacreations at gmail.com  Mon Jul  2 01:19:40 2012
From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson)
Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2012 02:19:40 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] You Guys make Me Sick
In-Reply-To: <4FF08D8B.9040907@torchlake.com>
References: <AED88903598F47B688B8A9575128EE9D@TonySeptav>
	<9C6D0C64280048F493FA0E61D1A0FA32@SusanHarkins>
	<014001cd506f$8949cec0$9bdd6c40$@net>
	<4FE48509.7020803@colbyconsulting.com>
	<4FE48884.9050808@torchlake.com>
	<211404D13EA34407A85D4E85672A16E0@SusanHarkins>
	<E626F177719B48019FA59726F3E1469A@HAL9007>
	<4FEC4E6B.50200@torchlake.com>
	<2B8223C1270F4CB78BAF5A5882FD4CB1@HAL9007>
	<4FF08D8B.9040907@torchlake.com>
Message-ID: <CAGuQ9V7imnagg89dM_aWtECFO56u2k01jakdkUz8W1HV67cP5A@mail.gmail.com>

Everyone wants government of by and for the people..
  until the people is against them .

For my reference, I cite night of the living dead And other very important
movies.
On Jul 1, 2012 1:50 PM, "Tina Norris Fields" <tinanfields at torchlake.com>
wrote:

> Pretty much what I am doing - teaching people how to make things work on
> the computer - especially the Microsoft Office Suite - teaching online
> courses such as the Kirkpatrick Signature Series course cluster I teach at
> Bellevue - taking part in my local government - playing the piano - messing
> with gadgets of all kinds - singing with my friends - walking in the woods
> - tutoring kids in math and reading - writing.  Well, I'd also study more
> languages and do a bunch more traveling - there are a lot of places I
> haven't visited, yet in this world - and I'd do the research I've been
> thinking about on the disconnect between American citizens and their
> government (the one that is supposed to be of, by, and for them).  See,
> everything fascinates me.  I have this never-ending curiosity about
> everything.
> T
>
> Tina Norris Fields
> tinanfields at torchlake.com
> 231-322-2787
>
> On 6/28/2012 10:07 AM, Rocky Smolin wrote:
>
>> No worries.  You've got time.  :) What would you do if you didn't need the
>> income?
>>
>> R
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces@**databaseadvisors.com<accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com>
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces@**databaseadvisors.com<accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com>]
>> On Behalf Of Tina Norris
>> Fields
>> Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2012 5:31 AM
>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] You Guys make Me Sick
>>
>> Well, I'd like to be a concert pianist.  Give me another twenty years of
>> practicing every day and I might make it.  Imagine that!  A little old
>> lady
>> making her Carnegie Hall debut!  Hmmm - maybe not.  But, I still like to
>> figure out the logic behind things and make things work, so, I'm not ready
>> to give up on development.  Mostly, I love to teach, to share knowledge,
>> and
>> to watch other people have that "Aha!" moment.  Gee, Rocky, I'm not really
>> sure what I want to be when I grow up.
>> T
>>
>> Tina Norris Fields
>> tinanfields at torchlake.com
>> 231-322-2787
>>
>> On 6/22/2012 11:29 AM, Rocky Smolin wrote:
>>
>>> We need to redefine yourselves for this stage of life.  Who wants to
>>> be a programmer right up to the last day?
>>>
>>> You're going to be a horticulturist and wild life specialist.   I'm going
>>>
>> to
>>
>>> be a jazz bassist.   Tina?
>>>
>>> Rocky
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: accessd-bounces@**databaseadvisors.com<accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com>
>>> [mailto:accessd-bounces@**databaseadvisors.com<accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com>]
>>> On Behalf Of Susan
>>> Harkins
>>> Sent: Friday, June 22, 2012 8:26 AM
>>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] You Guys make Me Sick
>>>
>>> Well, I only work two days a week now -- I can't expect to make as
>>> much as I use to, but the work dwindled before I decided to
>>> semi-retire. Now that Apple has decided to make the Internet obsolete
>>> (no clue what they're talking about) who knows where we'll all end up.
>>>
>>> Susan H.
>>>
>>>
>>>  Well, I guess that says it all - we just have to switch development
>>>>
>>> tools.
>>
>>> Thanks, John, for the confirmation - 'cause right now, I'm with Mark
>>>> and Susan - much lower income than I was pulling in twenty years ago.
>>>>
>>> Dang!
>>>
>>>> T
>>>>
>>>>  --
>>> AccessD mailing list
>>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/accessd<http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd>
>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.**com<http://www.databaseadvisors.com>
>>>
>>>
>> --
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>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>> http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/accessd<http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd>
>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.**com<http://www.databaseadvisors.com>
>>
>>
>
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/accessd<http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd>
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.**com<http://www.databaseadvisors.com>
>

From hans.andersen at phulse.com  Mon Jul  2 01:49:55 2012
From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen)
Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2012 23:49:55 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Cheap windows
In-Reply-To: <4FF12866.5050800@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4FEF40AD.6050208@colbyconsulting.com>
	<2841E96E-F8B3-4452-91F3-F10746A51C7D@phulse.com>
	<4FEF60FE.7050700@colbyconsulting.com>
	<4E66061C-6DBB-4B18-A102-DF4854A65712@phulse.com>
	<4FF03823.3030903@colbyconsulting.com>
	<D9140A2D-AF68-42E8-B067-A6499491B1C5@phulse.com>
	<4FF12866.5050800@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <563C9F9F-20E5-4522-9595-1BBE0BC17558@phulse.com>


Fair enough. However, given my experience, a lot of my answers are going to involve Linux (which I suppose isn't exactly helpful for an 'Access Developers' mailing list :-| ).

> Do you have any idea what that sounds like to me?  Are you even speaking English?  It sounds like you are coughing up a tarball.  ;)  (tarball is about as much as I know about Linux!)

Lol! That reminds me of the old joke about Unix commands, but it might perhaps be a little too explicit for this mailing list (considering that our email exchanges are publicly published).

Hans



On 2012-07-01, at 9:49 PM, jwcolby wrote:

> Yep, for a shop already familiar with Linux what you say makes absolute sense.  For me it makes no sense at all, believe me.
> 
> It takes a mere 2 hours of my time spent trying to do the Linux thing to pay for the 4 copies of Windows I purchased.  About two years ago I spent waaaay more than that trying to get any version of Linux installed under Hyper-V and failed.
> 
> In the end, it simply doesn't matter that Microsoft makes no effort to get Linux running under Hyper-V, what matters is that I know and can do Hyper-V Windows XYZ VMs in a matter of minutes, whereas Linux would be a huge time suck which I can ill afford.
> 
> Emulators are wonderful things.  I am constantly amazed that VMs work at all.  But to run a linux vm and then run Wine in that to try and avoid paying $30 (or $120) doesn't make any sense to me.  I cannot imagine that I could get Linux machines running and then get wine running in that and then get my app running in that in less than a week, and it could stretch into many weeks given I know absolutely nothing about Linux.
> 
> I already have Hyper-V running, have learned how to make it work, and have used it for several years.  I already have VMs running for my dev machine running C# and SQL Server, where I do my coding.
> 
> Since all of my business is with clients running Microsoft software, and since I have spent 30 years learning Microsoft software, and the last 5 years learning SQL Server and C#, what is the point?
> 
> I understand that those who have a business reason to go with Linux are distraught that the rest of the world blindly continues to run MS products but that is the world my clients live in and thus the world I live in.  I will never convince my clients to stop using their sql server and Office and it is not my business to even try to do so.
> 
> So when I found a license for a stripped down Windows 2008 for $30 I jumped on it.  I don't think I have ever seen a license for ANY version of windows for $30!  It certainly appears to do what I need.  We shall see.
> 
> > Well, you have options.  FoxPro for Windows can run fine under Wine + Linux/FreeBSD. Also, FoxPro 2.6 for Unix can be installed on Linux and FreeBSD using the Intel Binary Compatibility Standard (ibcs2) support library.
> 
> Do you have any idea what that sounds like to me?  Are you even speaking English?  It sounds like you are coughing up a tarball.  ;)  (tarball is about as much as I know about Linux!)
> 
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
> 
> Reality is what refuses to go away
> when you do not believe in it
> 
> 
> On 7/1/2012 11:47 PM, Hans-Christian Andersen wrote:
>> 
>>> I need virtual machines which run a Foxpro for Windows application purchased from a vendor.  I purchased these $30 licenses for Windows to run in those virtual machines.  I already have one of the VMs up and running one of these cheap licenses.
>> 
>> Well, you have options.  FoxPro for Windows can run fine under Wine + Linux/FreeBSD. Also, FoxPro 2.6 for Unix can be installed on Linux and FreeBSD using the Intel Binary Compatibility Standard (ibcs2) support library.
>> 
>>> If you are talking about Linux, then free isn't exactly free since I have to spend dozens if not hundreds of hours getting myself up to speed on something I don't use, then getting them to run (running Linux in Hyper-V was non-trivial, I have tried), then getting something like Wine to emulate windows then dealing with any headaches of incompatibility...
>> 
>> We could be talking about FreeBSD as well and, yes, they are both truly free in every sense of the word. If you haven't got the spare time to learn something new or your specifications are too restricting, then this is obviously going to have to be a problem you throw money at. Also, I certainly can't speak about HyperV - it is a Microsoft technology, so we know who is at issue if other operating systems are unable to run under it. :) There are plenty of other options you could choose to go with instead (VirtualBox, VMWare, etc).
>> 
>> Regarding Wine, the great thing about free is that it only takes 10-15 minutes of your time to actually try it to find out if there are any incompatibility issues (but, imo, I'm 99.9% certain you won't have any issues).
>> 
>> In any event, $120 may have worth it to you and it may be cheap compared to what you are used to paying, but it's still not cheap overall. To put things into perspective, $30 is the same price Apple charges for their entire operating system without limitations and Apple users are the ones we normally associate with spending too much money on things.
>> 
>> I'm not recommending you do anything differently, I just think it's a shame you have to spend that much money on something that is a product with deliberate limitations just to run a single application on each, when there are free alternatives out there which are just as good (or better, depending on who you ask).
>> 
>> Hans
> 
> -- 
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com



From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Mon Jul  2 09:00:32 2012
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (rockysmolin at bchacc.com)
Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2012 07:00:32 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] [FWD: Windows on a Mac]
Message-ID: <20120702070032.86c3debdd1c3983866efe200e2feb95f.a0e3bef48a.wbe@email18.secureserver.net>




-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Windows on a Mac
From: <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
Date: Sun, July 01, 2012 9:35 pm
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>

I have inherited an iMac.  It's beautiful and I'd love to use it but
everything I do is, of course, Windows based.  


Is Parallels the best way to run Windows apps on an iMac? 


TIA


Rocky



From dbdoug at gmail.com  Mon Jul  2 09:10:26 2012
From: dbdoug at gmail.com (Doug Steele)
Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2012 07:10:26 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] [FWD: Windows on a Mac]
In-Reply-To: <20120702070032.86c3debdd1c3983866efe200e2feb95f.a0e3bef48a.wbe@email18.secureserver.net>
References: <20120702070032.86c3debdd1c3983866efe200e2feb95f.a0e3bef48a.wbe@email18.secureserver.net>
Message-ID: <CAFa8Nkjq8F=0i1HGqvQGZ=y-px9v8tbX5UUHkRRQa6EQra+SdA@mail.gmail.com>

I've had no problems running Parallels.

You can also use Boot Camp, where you set up a Windows partition on your HD
and Windows runs natively.  This should be faster than Parallels.  The
advantage of Parallels is the same as other VM software - you can have
multiple independent configurations.  The advantage of Boot Camp is that
you can have a big Windows installation with all your normal working
software.

I use Boot Camp for 'production' Access 2003 development and Parallels for
occasional other version development.

Doug

On Mon, Jul 2, 2012 at 7:00 AM, <rockysmolin at bchacc.com> wrote:

>
>
>
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: Windows on a Mac
> From: <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
> Date: Sun, July 01, 2012 9:35 pm
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>
> I have inherited an iMac.  It's beautiful and I'd love to use it but
> everything I do is, of course, Windows based.
>
>
> Is Parallels the best way to run Windows apps on an iMac?
>
>
> TIA
>
>
> Rocky
>
>
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>

From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Jul  2 09:54:30 2012
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2012 10:54:30 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] [FWD: Windows on a Mac]
In-Reply-To: <20120702070032.86c3debdd1c3983866efe200e2feb95f.a0e3bef48a.wbe@email18.secureserver.net>
References: <20120702070032.86c3debdd1c3983866efe200e2feb95f.a0e3bef48a.wbe@email18.secureserver.net>
Message-ID: <4FF1B626.3030204@colbyconsulting.com>

 > I have inherited an iMac.  It's beautiful and I'd love to use it ...

The beginning of the end of Rocky as we knew him... ;)  May he rest in peace.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it


On 7/2/2012 10:00 AM, rockysmolin at bchacc.com wrote:
>
>
>
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: Windows on a Mac
> From: <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
> Date: Sun, July 01, 2012 9:35 pm
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>
> I have inherited an iMac.  It's beautiful and I'd love to use it but
> everything I do is, of course, Windows based.
>
>
> Is Parallels the best way to run Windows apps on an iMac?
>
>
> TIA
>
>
> Rocky
>
>



From tinanfields at torchlake.com  Mon Jul  2 10:10:34 2012
From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields)
Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2012 11:10:34 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] You Guys make Me Sick
In-Reply-To: <CAGuQ9V7imnagg89dM_aWtECFO56u2k01jakdkUz8W1HV67cP5A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AED88903598F47B688B8A9575128EE9D@TonySeptav>
	<9C6D0C64280048F493FA0E61D1A0FA32@SusanHarkins>
	<014001cd506f$8949cec0$9bdd6c40$@net>
	<4FE48509.7020803@colbyconsulting.com>
	<4FE48884.9050808@torchlake.com>
	<211404D13EA34407A85D4E85672A16E0@SusanHarkins>
	<E626F177719B48019FA59726F3E1469A@HAL9007>
	<4FEC4E6B.50200@torchlake.com>
	<2B8223C1270F4CB78BAF5A5882FD4CB1@HAL9007>
	<4FF08D8B.9040907@torchlake.com>
	<CAGuQ9V7imnagg89dM_aWtECFO56u2k01jakdkUz8W1HV67cP5A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4FF1B9EA.4010804@torchlake.com>

You could well be right.  However, in all my innocence I am still 
campaigning for American citizens to to take part in their local 
government, which as I understand it truly is our responsibility as 
citizens.  I'll try not to jump up on my soapbox here, but suffice it to 
say that I believe it is my duty to hold my government accountable, and 
I can do that effectively only at the local level.
Best,
T

Tina Norris Fields
tinanfields at torchlake.com
231-322-2787

On 7/2/2012 2:19 AM, William Benson wrote:
> Everyone wants government of by and for the people..
>    until the people is against them .
>
> For my reference, I cite night of the living dead And other very important
> movies.
> On Jul 1, 2012 1:50 PM, "Tina Norris Fields" <tinanfields at torchlake.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Pretty much what I am doing - teaching people how to make things work on
>> the computer - especially the Microsoft Office Suite - teaching online
>> courses such as the Kirkpatrick Signature Series course cluster I teach at
>> Bellevue - taking part in my local government - playing the piano - messing
>> with gadgets of all kinds - singing with my friends - walking in the woods
>> - tutoring kids in math and reading - writing.  Well, I'd also study more
>> languages and do a bunch more traveling - there are a lot of places I
>> haven't visited, yet in this world - and I'd do the research I've been
>> thinking about on the disconnect between American citizens and their
>> government (the one that is supposed to be of, by, and for them).  See,
>> everything fascinates me.  I have this never-ending curiosity about
>> everything.
>> T
>>
>> Tina Norris Fields
>> tinanfields at torchlake.com
>> 231-322-2787
>>
>> On 6/28/2012 10:07 AM, Rocky Smolin wrote:
>>
>>> No worries.  You've got time.  :) What would you do if you didn't need the
>>> income?
>>>
>>> R
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: accessd-bounces@**databaseadvisors.com<accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com>
>>> [mailto:accessd-bounces@**databaseadvisors.com<accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com>]
>>> On Behalf Of Tina Norris
>>> Fields
>>> Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2012 5:31 AM
>>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] You Guys make Me Sick
>>>
>>> Well, I'd like to be a concert pianist.  Give me another twenty years of
>>> practicing every day and I might make it.  Imagine that!  A little old
>>> lady
>>> making her Carnegie Hall debut!  Hmmm - maybe not.  But, I still like to
>>> figure out the logic behind things and make things work, so, I'm not ready
>>> to give up on development.  Mostly, I love to teach, to share knowledge,
>>> and
>>> to watch other people have that "Aha!" moment.  Gee, Rocky, I'm not really
>>> sure what I want to be when I grow up.
>>> T
>>>
>>> Tina Norris Fields
>>> tinanfields at torchlake.com
>>> 231-322-2787
>>>
>>> On 6/22/2012 11:29 AM, Rocky Smolin wrote:
>>>
>>>> We need to redefine yourselves for this stage of life.  Who wants to
>>>> be a programmer right up to the last day?
>>>>
>>>> You're going to be a horticulturist and wild life specialist.   I'm going
>>>>
>>> to
>>>
>>>> be a jazz bassist.   Tina?
>>>>
>>>> Rocky
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: accessd-bounces@**databaseadvisors.com<accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com>
>>>> [mailto:accessd-bounces@**databaseadvisors.com<accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com>]
>>>> On Behalf Of Susan
>>>> Harkins
>>>> Sent: Friday, June 22, 2012 8:26 AM
>>>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>>>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] You Guys make Me Sick
>>>>
>>>> Well, I only work two days a week now -- I can't expect to make as
>>>> much as I use to, but the work dwindled before I decided to
>>>> semi-retire. Now that Apple has decided to make the Internet obsolete
>>>> (no clue what they're talking about) who knows where we'll all end up.
>>>>
>>>> Susan H.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>   Well, I guess that says it all - we just have to switch development
>>>> tools.
>>>> Thanks, John, for the confirmation - 'cause right now, I'm with Mark
>>>>> and Susan - much lower income than I was pulling in twenty years ago.
>>>>>
>>>> Dang!
>>>>
>>>>> T
>>>>>
>>>>>   --
>>>> AccessD mailing list
>>>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/accessd<http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd>
>>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.**com<http://www.databaseadvisors.com>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> --
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>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/accessd<http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd>
>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.**com<http://www.databaseadvisors.com>
>>>
>>>
>> --
>> AccessD mailing list
>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>> http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/accessd<http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd>
>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.**com<http://www.databaseadvisors.com>
>>



From jimdettman at verizon.net  Mon Jul  2 10:19:29 2012
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2012 11:19:29 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] [FWD: Windows on a Mac]
In-Reply-To: <4FF1B626.3030204@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <20120702070032.86c3debdd1c3983866efe200e2feb95f.a0e3bef48a.wbe@email18.secureserver.net>
	<4FF1B626.3030204@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <3FCC93288AB04CD5B20741C7DB6234FC@XPS>


 I'm afraid to try it; if it's anything like my iPhone, I'll never end up
using a Windows based PC again<g>

Jim. 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Monday, July 02, 2012 10:55 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] [FWD: Windows on a Mac]

 > I have inherited an iMac.  It's beautiful and I'd love to use it ...

The beginning of the end of Rocky as we knew him... ;)  May he rest in
peace.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it


On 7/2/2012 10:00 AM, rockysmolin at bchacc.com wrote:
>
>
>
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: Windows on a Mac
> From: <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
> Date: Sun, July 01, 2012 9:35 pm
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>
> I have inherited an iMac.  It's beautiful and I'd love to use it but
> everything I do is, of course, Windows based.
>
>
> Is Parallels the best way to run Windows apps on an iMac?
>
>
> TIA
>
>
> Rocky
>
>


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From edzedz at comcast.net  Mon Jul  2 10:31:13 2012
From: edzedz at comcast.net (Edward Zuris)
Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2012 09:31:13 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] You Guys make Me Sick
In-Reply-To: <4FF1B9EA.4010804@torchlake.com>
References: <AED88903598F47B688B8A9575128EE9D@TonySeptav><9C6D0C64280048F493FA0E61D1A0FA32@SusanHarkins><014001cd506f$8949cec0$9bdd6c40$@net><4FE48509.7020803@colbyconsulting.com><4FE48884.9050808@torchlake.com><211404D13EA34407A85D4E85672A16E0@SusanHarkins><E626F177719B48019FA59726F3E1469A@HAL9007><4FEC4E6B.50200@torchlake.com><2B8223C1270F4CB78BAF5A5882FD4CB1@HAL9007><4FF08D8B.9040907@torchlake.com><CAGuQ9V7imnagg89dM_aWtECFO56u2k01jakdkUz8W1HV67cP5A@mail.gmail.com>
	<4FF1B9EA.4010804@torchlake.com>
Message-ID: <FCB24BEA8DC24D739234084FACB42371@EDZ1>



 Good for you Tina!


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina Norris
Fields
Sent: Monday, July 02, 2012 9:11 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] You Guys make Me Sick

You could well be right.  However, in all my innocence I am still 
campaigning for American citizens to to take part in their local 
government, which as I understand it truly is our responsibility as 
citizens.  I'll try not to jump up on my soapbox here, but suffice it to 
say that I believe it is my duty to hold my government accountable, and 
I can do that effectively only at the local level.
Best,
T

Tina Norris Fields
tinanfields at torchlake.com
231-322-2787

On 7/2/2012 2:19 AM, William Benson wrote:
> Everyone wants government of by and for the people..
>    until the people is against them .
>
> For my reference, I cite night of the living dead And other very important
> movies.
> On Jul 1, 2012 1:50 PM, "Tina Norris Fields" <tinanfields at torchlake.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Pretty much what I am doing - teaching people how to make things work on
>> the computer - especially the Microsoft Office Suite - teaching online
>> courses such as the Kirkpatrick Signature Series course cluster I teach
at
>> Bellevue - taking part in my local government - playing the piano -
messing
>> with gadgets of all kinds - singing with my friends - walking in the
woods
>> - tutoring kids in math and reading - writing.  Well, I'd also study more
>> languages and do a bunch more traveling - there are a lot of places I
>> haven't visited, yet in this world - and I'd do the research I've been
>> thinking about on the disconnect between American citizens and their
>> government (the one that is supposed to be of, by, and for them).  See,
>> everything fascinates me.  I have this never-ending curiosity about
>> everything.
>> T
>>
>> Tina Norris Fields
>> tinanfields at torchlake.com
>> 231-322-2787
>>
>> On 6/28/2012 10:07 AM, Rocky Smolin wrote:
>>
>>> No worries.  You've got time.  :) What would you do if you didn't need
the
>>> income?
>>>
>>> R
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From:
accessd-bounces@**databaseadvisors.com<accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com>
>>>
[mailto:accessd-bounces@**databaseadvisors.com<accessd-bounces at databaseadvis
ors.com>]
>>> On Behalf Of Tina Norris
>>> Fields
>>> Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2012 5:31 AM
>>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] You Guys make Me Sick
>>>
>>> Well, I'd like to be a concert pianist.  Give me another twenty years of
>>> practicing every day and I might make it.  Imagine that!  A little old
>>> lady
>>> making her Carnegie Hall debut!  Hmmm - maybe not.  But, I still like to
>>> figure out the logic behind things and make things work, so, I'm not
ready
>>> to give up on development.  Mostly, I love to teach, to share knowledge,
>>> and
>>> to watch other people have that "Aha!" moment.  Gee, Rocky, I'm not
really
>>> sure what I want to be when I grow up.
>>> T
>>>
>>> Tina Norris Fields
>>> tinanfields at torchlake.com
>>> 231-322-2787
>>>
>>> On 6/22/2012 11:29 AM, Rocky Smolin wrote:
>>>
>>>> We need to redefine yourselves for this stage of life.  Who wants to
>>>> be a programmer right up to the last day?
>>>>
>>>> You're going to be a horticulturist and wild life specialist.   I'm
going
>>>>
>>> to
>>>
>>>> be a jazz bassist.   Tina?
>>>>
>>>> Rocky
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From:
accessd-bounces@**databaseadvisors.com<accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com>
>>>>
[mailto:accessd-bounces@**databaseadvisors.com<accessd-bounces at databaseadvis
ors.com>]
>>>> On Behalf Of Susan
>>>> Harkins
>>>> Sent: Friday, June 22, 2012 8:26 AM
>>>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>>>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] You Guys make Me Sick
>>>>
>>>> Well, I only work two days a week now -- I can't expect to make as
>>>> much as I use to, but the work dwindled before I decided to
>>>> semi-retire. Now that Apple has decided to make the Internet obsolete
>>>> (no clue what they're talking about) who knows where we'll all end up.
>>>>
>>>> Susan H.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>   Well, I guess that says it all - we just have to switch development
>>>> tools.
>>>> Thanks, John, for the confirmation - 'cause right now, I'm with Mark
>>>>> and Susan - much lower income than I was pulling in twenty years ago.
>>>>>
>>>> Dang!
>>>>
>>>>> T
>>>>>
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Mon Jul  2 10:33:10 2012
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (rockysmolin at bchacc.com)
Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2012 08:33:10 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] [FWD: Windows on a Mac]
Message-ID: <20120702083310.86c3debdd1c3983866efe200e2feb95f.0d18c1f51a.wbe@email18.secureserver.net>

But...but..the machine is just so awesomely beautiful.  I actually have
two of them.

r

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: [AccessD] [FWD: Windows on a Mac]
From: jwcolby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
Date: Mon, July 02, 2012 7:54 am
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>

 > I have inherited an iMac. It's beautiful and I'd love to use it ...

The beginning of the end of Rocky as we knew him... ;) May he rest in
peace.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it


On 7/2/2012 10:00 AM, rockysmolin at bchacc.com wrote:
>
>
>
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: Windows on a Mac
> From: <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
> Date: Sun, July 01, 2012 9:35 pm
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>
> I have inherited an iMac. It's beautiful and I'd love to use it but
> everything I do is, of course, Windows based.
>
>
> Is Parallels the best way to run Windows apps on an iMac?
>
>
> TIA
>
>
> Rocky
>
>


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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Mon Jul  2 10:33:48 2012
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (rockysmolin at bchacc.com)
Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2012 08:33:48 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] [FWD: Windows on a Mac]
Message-ID: <20120702083348.86c3debdd1c3983866efe200e2feb95f.b358eba032.wbe@email18.secureserver.net>

I tried it.  It's seductive.

R

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: [AccessD] [FWD: Windows on a Mac]
From: "Jim Dettman" <jimdettman at verizon.net>
Date: Mon, July 02, 2012 8:19 am
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>


 I'm afraid to try it; if it's anything like my iPhone, I'll never end
up
using a Windows based PC again<g>

Jim. 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Monday, July 02, 2012 10:55 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] [FWD: Windows on a Mac]

 > I have inherited an iMac. It's beautiful and I'd love to use it ...

The beginning of the end of Rocky as we knew him... ;) May he rest in
peace.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it


On 7/2/2012 10:00 AM, rockysmolin at bchacc.com wrote:
>
>
>
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: Windows on a Mac
> From: <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
> Date: Sun, July 01, 2012 9:35 pm
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>
> I have inherited an iMac. It's beautiful and I'd love to use it but
> everything I do is, of course, Windows based.
>
>
> Is Parallels the best way to run Windows apps on an iMac?
>
>
> TIA
>
>
> Rocky
>
>


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From dw-murphy at cox.net  Mon Jul  2 11:22:13 2012
From: dw-murphy at cox.net (Doug Murphy)
Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2012 09:22:13 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] [FWD: Windows on a Mac]
In-Reply-To: <20120702083310.86c3debdd1c3983866efe200e2feb95f.0d18c1f51a.wbe@email18.secureserver.net>
References: <20120702083310.86c3debdd1c3983866efe200e2feb95f.0d18c1f51a.wbe@email18.secureserver.net>
Message-ID: <003901cd586e$d6e10390$84a30ab0$@cox.net>

You would be surprised how many Windows developers use Macs and work on
Parallels VMs. 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
rockysmolin at bchacc.com
Sent: Monday, July 02, 2012 8:33 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] [FWD: Windows on a Mac]

But...but..the machine is just so awesomely beautiful.  I actually have two
of them.

r

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: [AccessD] [FWD: Windows on a Mac]
From: jwcolby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
Date: Mon, July 02, 2012 7:54 am
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>

 > I have inherited an iMac. It's beautiful and I'd love to use it ...

The beginning of the end of Rocky as we knew him... ;) May he rest in peace.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it


On 7/2/2012 10:00 AM, rockysmolin at bchacc.com wrote:
>
>
>
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: Windows on a Mac
> From: <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
> Date: Sun, July 01, 2012 9:35 pm
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>
> I have inherited an iMac. It's beautiful and I'd love to use it but 
> everything I do is, of course, Windows based.
>
>
> Is Parallels the best way to run Windows apps on an iMac?
>
>
> TIA
>
>
> Rocky
>
>


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From accessd at shaw.ca  Mon Jul  2 15:51:57 2012
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2012 13:51:57 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] You Guys make Me Sick
In-Reply-To: <4FF1B9EA.4010804@torchlake.com>
References: <AED88903598F47B688B8A9575128EE9D@TonySeptav><9C6D0C64280048F493FA0E61D1A0FA32@SusanHarkins><014001cd506f$8949cec0$9bdd6c40$@net><4FE48509.7020803@colbyconsulting.com><4FE48884.9050808@torchlake.com><211404D13EA34407A85D4E85672A16E0@SusanHarkins><E626F177719B48019FA59726F3E1469A@HAL9007><4FEC4E6B.50200@torchlake.com><2B8223C1270F4CB78BAF5A5882FD4CB1@HAL9007><4FF08D8B.9040907@torchlake.com><CAGuQ9V7imnagg89dM_aWtECFO56u2k01jakdkUz8W1HV67cP5A@mail.gmail.com>
	<4FF1B9EA.4010804@torchlake.com>
Message-ID: <A22818FA0622490C976811DA5E016B15@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Good for you Tina. :-) 

People who don't take active part in their government and politics, by their
very action or in-actions have negated their right to complaint. 

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina Norris
Fields
Sent: Monday, July 02, 2012 8:11 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] You Guys make Me Sick

You could well be right.  However, in all my innocence I am still 
campaigning for American citizens to to take part in their local 
government, which as I understand it truly is our responsibility as 
citizens.  I'll try not to jump up on my soapbox here, but suffice it to 
say that I believe it is my duty to hold my government accountable, and 
I can do that effectively only at the local level.
Best,
T

Tina Norris Fields
tinanfields at torchlake.com
231-322-2787

On 7/2/2012 2:19 AM, William Benson wrote:
> Everyone wants government of by and for the people..
>    until the people is against them .
>
> For my reference, I cite night of the living dead And other very important
> movies.
> On Jul 1, 2012 1:50 PM, "Tina Norris Fields" <tinanfields at torchlake.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Pretty much what I am doing - teaching people how to make things work on
>> the computer - especially the Microsoft Office Suite - teaching online
>> courses such as the Kirkpatrick Signature Series course cluster I teach
at
>> Bellevue - taking part in my local government - playing the piano -
messing
>> with gadgets of all kinds - singing with my friends - walking in the
woods
>> - tutoring kids in math and reading - writing.  Well, I'd also study more
>> languages and do a bunch more traveling - there are a lot of places I
>> haven't visited, yet in this world - and I'd do the research I've been
>> thinking about on the disconnect between American citizens and their
>> government (the one that is supposed to be of, by, and for them).  See,
>> everything fascinates me.  I have this never-ending curiosity about
>> everything.
>> T
>>
>> Tina Norris Fields
>> tinanfields at torchlake.com
>> 231-322-2787
>>
>> On 6/28/2012 10:07 AM, Rocky Smolin wrote:
>>
>>> No worries.  You've got time.  :) What would you do if you didn't need
the
>>> income?
>>>
>>> R
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From:
accessd-bounces@**databaseadvisors.com<accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com>
>>>
[mailto:accessd-bounces@**databaseadvisors.com<accessd-bounces at databaseadvis
ors.com>]
>>> On Behalf Of Tina Norris
>>> Fields
>>> Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2012 5:31 AM
>>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] You Guys make Me Sick
>>>
>>> Well, I'd like to be a concert pianist.  Give me another twenty years of
>>> practicing every day and I might make it.  Imagine that!  A little old
>>> lady
>>> making her Carnegie Hall debut!  Hmmm - maybe not.  But, I still like to
>>> figure out the logic behind things and make things work, so, I'm not
ready
>>> to give up on development.  Mostly, I love to teach, to share knowledge,
>>> and
>>> to watch other people have that "Aha!" moment.  Gee, Rocky, I'm not
really
>>> sure what I want to be when I grow up.
>>> T
>>>
>>> Tina Norris Fields
>>> tinanfields at torchlake.com
>>> 231-322-2787
>>>
>>> On 6/22/2012 11:29 AM, Rocky Smolin wrote:
>>>
>>>> We need to redefine yourselves for this stage of life.  Who wants to
>>>> be a programmer right up to the last day?
>>>>
>>>> You're going to be a horticulturist and wild life specialist.   I'm
going
>>>>
>>> to
>>>
>>>> be a jazz bassist.   Tina?
>>>>
>>>> Rocky
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From:
accessd-bounces@**databaseadvisors.com<accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com>
>>>>
[mailto:accessd-bounces@**databaseadvisors.com<accessd-bounces at databaseadvis
ors.com>]
>>>> On Behalf Of Susan
>>>> Harkins
>>>> Sent: Friday, June 22, 2012 8:26 AM
>>>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>>>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] You Guys make Me Sick
>>>>
>>>> Well, I only work two days a week now -- I can't expect to make as
>>>> much as I use to, but the work dwindled before I decided to
>>>> semi-retire. Now that Apple has decided to make the Internet obsolete
>>>> (no clue what they're talking about) who knows where we'll all end up.
>>>>
>>>> Susan H.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>   Well, I guess that says it all - we just have to switch development
>>>> tools.
>>>> Thanks, John, for the confirmation - 'cause right now, I'm with Mark
>>>>> and Susan - much lower income than I was pulling in twenty years ago.
>>>>>
>>>> Dang!
>>>>
>>>>> T
>>>>>
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From dbdoug at gmail.com  Mon Jul  2 22:12:44 2012
From: dbdoug at gmail.com (Doug Steele)
Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2012 20:12:44 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Cheap windows
In-Reply-To: <563C9F9F-20E5-4522-9595-1BBE0BC17558@phulse.com>
References: <4FEF40AD.6050208@colbyconsulting.com>
	<2841E96E-F8B3-4452-91F3-F10746A51C7D@phulse.com>
	<4FEF60FE.7050700@colbyconsulting.com>
	<4E66061C-6DBB-4B18-A102-DF4854A65712@phulse.com>
	<4FF03823.3030903@colbyconsulting.com>
	<D9140A2D-AF68-42E8-B067-A6499491B1C5@phulse.com>
	<4FF12866.5050800@colbyconsulting.com>
	<563C9F9F-20E5-4522-9595-1BBE0BC17558@phulse.com>
Message-ID: <CAFa8Nkhd9eTHpUVTx25mrprmNuTkwsnTEAhhd_o0LQJy9VLyaA@mail.gmail.com>

Here you go, John. Windows 8 (officially!) for $40.  You can be the guinea
pig.  Let us know how it works out :)

http://windowsteamblog.com/windows/b/bloggingwindows/archive/2012/07/02/upgrade-to-windows-8-pro-for-39-99.aspx?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter


Doug

On Sun, Jul 1, 2012 at 11:49 PM, Hans-Christian Andersen <
hans.andersen at phulse.com> wrote:

>
> Fair enough. However, given my experience, a lot of my answers are going
> to involve Linux (which I suppose isn't exactly helpful for an 'Access
> Developers' mailing list :-| ).
>
> > Do you have any idea what that sounds like to me?  Are you even speaking
> English?  It sounds like you are coughing up a tarball.  ;)  (tarball is
> about as much as I know about Linux!)
>
> Lol! That reminds me of the old joke about Unix commands, but it might
> perhaps be a little too explicit for this mailing list (considering that
> our email exchanges are publicly published).
>
> Hans
>
>
>
> On 2012-07-01, at 9:49 PM, jwcolby wrote:
>
> > Yep, for a shop already familiar with Linux what you say makes absolute
> sense.  For me it makes no sense at all, believe me.
> >
> > It takes a mere 2 hours of my time spent trying to do the Linux thing to
> pay for the 4 copies of Windows I purchased.  About two years ago I spent
> waaaay more than that trying to get any version of Linux installed under
> Hyper-V and failed.
> >
> > In the end, it simply doesn't matter that Microsoft makes no effort to
> get Linux running under Hyper-V, what matters is that I know and can do
> Hyper-V Windows XYZ VMs in a matter of minutes, whereas Linux would be a
> huge time suck which I can ill afford.
> >
> > Emulators are wonderful things.  I am constantly amazed that VMs work at
> all.  But to run a linux vm and then run Wine in that to try and avoid
> paying $30 (or $120) doesn't make any sense to me.  I cannot imagine that I
> could get Linux machines running and then get wine running in that and then
> get my app running in that in less than a week, and it could stretch into
> many weeks given I know absolutely nothing about Linux.
> >
> > I already have Hyper-V running, have learned how to make it work, and
> have used it for several years.  I already have VMs running for my dev
> machine running C# and SQL Server, where I do my coding.
> >
> > Since all of my business is with clients running Microsoft software, and
> since I have spent 30 years learning Microsoft software, and the last 5
> years learning SQL Server and C#, what is the point?
> >
> > I understand that those who have a business reason to go with Linux are
> distraught that the rest of the world blindly continues to run MS products
> but that is the world my clients live in and thus the world I live in.  I
> will never convince my clients to stop using their sql server and Office
> and it is not my business to even try to do so.
> >
> > So when I found a license for a stripped down Windows 2008 for $30 I
> jumped on it.  I don't think I have ever seen a license for ANY version of
> windows for $30!  It certainly appears to do what I need.  We shall see.
> >
> > > Well, you have options.  FoxPro for Windows can run fine under Wine +
> Linux/FreeBSD. Also, FoxPro 2.6 for Unix can be installed on Linux and
> FreeBSD using the Intel Binary Compatibility Standard (ibcs2) support
> library.
> >
> > Do you have any idea what that sounds like to me?  Are you even speaking
> English?  It sounds like you are coughing up a tarball.  ;)  (tarball is
> about as much as I know about Linux!)
> >
> > John W. Colby
> > Colby Consulting
> >
> > Reality is what refuses to go away
> > when you do not believe in it
> >
> >
> > On 7/1/2012 11:47 PM, Hans-Christian Andersen wrote:
> >>
> >>> I need virtual machines which run a Foxpro for Windows application
> purchased from a vendor.  I purchased these $30 licenses for Windows to run
> in those virtual machines.  I already have one of the VMs up and running
> one of these cheap licenses.
> >>
> >> Well, you have options.  FoxPro for Windows can run fine under Wine +
> Linux/FreeBSD. Also, FoxPro 2.6 for Unix can be installed on Linux and
> FreeBSD using the Intel Binary Compatibility Standard (ibcs2) support
> library.
> >>
> >>> If you are talking about Linux, then free isn't exactly free since I
> have to spend dozens if not hundreds of hours getting myself up to speed on
> something I don't use, then getting them to run (running Linux in Hyper-V
> was non-trivial, I have tried), then getting something like Wine to emulate
> windows then dealing with any headaches of incompatibility...
> >>
> >> We could be talking about FreeBSD as well and, yes, they are both truly
> free in every sense of the word. If you haven't got the spare time to learn
> something new or your specifications are too restricting, then this is
> obviously going to have to be a problem you throw money at. Also, I
> certainly can't speak about HyperV - it is a Microsoft technology, so we
> know who is at issue if other operating systems are unable to run under it.
> :) There are plenty of other options you could choose to go with instead
> (VirtualBox, VMWare, etc).
> >>
> >> Regarding Wine, the great thing about free is that it only takes 10-15
> minutes of your time to actually try it to find out if there are any
> incompatibility issues (but, imo, I'm 99.9% certain you won't have any
> issues).
> >>
> >> In any event, $120 may have worth it to you and it may be cheap
> compared to what you are used to paying, but it's still not cheap overall.
> To put things into perspective, $30 is the same price Apple charges for
> their entire operating system without limitations and Apple users are the
> ones we normally associate with spending too much money on things.
> >>
> >> I'm not recommending you do anything differently, I just think it's a
> shame you have to spend that much money on something that is a product with
> deliberate limitations just to run a single application on each, when there
> are free alternatives out there which are just as good (or better,
> depending on who you ask).
> >>
> >> Hans
> >
> > --
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From carbonnb at gmail.com  Tue Jul  3 08:55:40 2012
From: carbonnb at gmail.com (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2012 09:55:40 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] [FWD: Windows on a Mac]
In-Reply-To: <20120702070032.86c3debdd1c3983866efe200e2feb95f.a0e3bef48a.wbe@email18.secureserver.net>
References: <20120702070032.86c3debdd1c3983866efe200e2feb95f.a0e3bef48a.wbe@email18.secureserver.net>
Message-ID: <CAAZtbWHg_AT6kFD101TemPHnEc_g_n=juRSsj1vNf37MDBW-jA@mail.gmail.com>

There are several ways you can run Windows on a Mac.

1) Virtualization software. Parallels, VMWare Fusion or Oracle VirtualBox
2) Dual Boot with Bootcamp
3) Wipe OS X and just install Windows.

I personally use Fusion to run Windows on my Macbook.

Virtualization software is the best way to go, IMO.

Bryan

On Mon, Jul 2, 2012 at 10:00 AM,  <rockysmolin at bchacc.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: Windows on a Mac
> From: <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
> Date: Sun, July 01, 2012 9:35 pm
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>
> I have inherited an iMac.  It's beautiful and I'd love to use it but
> everything I do is, of course, Windows based.
>
>
> Is Parallels the best way to run Windows apps on an iMac?
>
>
> TIA
>
>
> Rocky
>
>
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-- 
Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com
Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well
preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out,
shouting "What a great ride!"

From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue Jul  3 09:28:30 2012
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2012 10:28:30 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] RasPi available for open order?
Message-ID: <4FF3018E.9010105@colbyconsulting.com>


http://www.alliedelec.com/lp/120626raso/?utm_source=seg&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=120703_raspi_invite_email

They have two cute boxes to hold them as well.
-- 
John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it



From darren at activebilling.com.au  Thu Jul  5 21:51:15 2012
From: darren at activebilling.com.au (Darren)
Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2012 12:51:15 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] A2003: Deleting Open Files on a Remote Computer
Message-ID: <06a201cd5b22$38f15c50$aad414f0$@activebilling.com.au>

Hi team,

We have a server that remote users have access to where they can see files.

Mostly XLS, PDF, XML and a few proprietary ones too.

And of course they can open and view these files.

We regularly fill (by writing to) and empty (by deleting) the file contents
of some of these folders.

>From time to time a client may have a PDF or XLS etc. DOC open when we need
to do one of these flushes.

We see this when we manually delete the contents of a folder there may be
one or 2 that can't be deleted.

And then off we go to the Computer Management snap in to find and manually
close the file. We then delete it from the folder.

Is there some way to delete all files in a folder and then go back and do a
(brute) forced delete on the ones that didn't delete on first round?

Or is there some better logic and methodology you blokes use?

Don't be bothered about filling and deleing files opened by another user,
it's a regular thing as we update files (with the same file name) many times
per month.

Many thanks in advance.

Darren.


From gustav at cactus.dk  Fri Jul  6 02:18:47 2012
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2012 09:18:47 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] A2003: Deleting Open Files on a Remote Computer
Message-ID: <sff6ad8a.006@cactus.dk>

Hi Darren

I think you will need to logout those users to release the files.
This can be done remotely as well.

/gustav


>>> darren at activebilling.com.au 06-07-12 4:51 >>>
Hi team,

We have a server that remote users have access to where they can see files.

Mostly XLS, PDF, XML and a few proprietary ones too.

And of course they can open and view these files.

We regularly fill (by writing to) and empty (by deleting) the file contents
of some of these folders.

>From time to time a client may have a PDF or XLS etc. DOC open when we need
to do one of these flushes.

We see this when we manually delete the contents of a folder there may be
one or 2 that can't be deleted.

And then off we go to the Computer Management snap in to find and manually
close the file. We then delete it from the folder.

Is there some way to delete all files in a folder and then go back and do a
(brute) forced delete on the ones that didn't delete on first round?

Or is there some better logic and methodology you blokes use?

Don't be bothered about filling and deleing files opened by another user,
it's a regular thing as we update files (with the same file name) many times
per month.

Many thanks in advance.

Darren.



From paul.hartland at googlemail.com  Fri Jul  6 07:46:58 2012
From: paul.hartland at googlemail.com (Paul Hartland)
Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2012 13:46:58 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Access 97 backend database with Access 2007 frontend
Message-ID: <CALGJE97PH2DEf2rdXQxNgoL90OPmXBSOeq6iRew41q0Jv-OqXw@mail.gmail.com>

To all,

I am leaving my current company soon to start with another company, at the
interview they gave me a demonstration of their current database, they
estimated in total there were probably less than 10,000 records on the
whole database.  They acknowledged (which was obvious anyway) that the
database is slow, now without getting to look at the underlying
tables/queries etc before I start, I was wondering if there are any common
issues with speed that other users on here may of come across.  The backend
database is in access 97 and the frontend in Access 2007, are there any
common problems with this ?

Thanks in advance for any help or pointers on this.

-- 
Paul Hartland
paul.hartland at googlemail.com

From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Fri Jul  6 08:00:51 2012
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2012 23:00:51 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Access 97 backend database with Access 2007 frontend
In-Reply-To: <CALGJE97PH2DEf2rdXQxNgoL90OPmXBSOeq6iRew41q0Jv-OqXw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CALGJE97PH2DEf2rdXQxNgoL90OPmXBSOeq6iRew41q0Jv-OqXw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4FF6E183.27330.2254100@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

I've got one site where all the BEs are still 97 and have not experienced any issues, speed or 
otherwise using FE in all more recent versions of Access.  Some of them being regularly hit 
by 20-30 users.

First thing I'd look at is indexing, with that few records, lots of indexes including multi-field 
ones should not be a problem.

-- 
Stuart

On 6 Jul 2012 at 13:46, Paul Hartland wrote:

> To all,
> 
> I am leaving my current company soon to start with another company, at the
> interview they gave me a demonstration of their current database, they
> estimated in total there were probably less than 10,000 records on the
> whole database.  They acknowledged (which was obvious anyway) that the
> database is slow, now without getting to look at the underlying
> tables/queries etc before I start, I was wondering if there are any common
> issues with speed that other users on here may of come across.  The backend
> database is in access 97 and the frontend in Access 2007, are there any
> common problems with this ?
> 
> Thanks in advance for any help or pointers on this.
> 
> -- 
> Paul Hartland
> paul.hartland at googlemail.com
> -- 
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> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
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> 



From paul.hartland at googlemail.com  Fri Jul  6 08:05:04 2012
From: paul.hartland at googlemail.com (Paul Hartland)
Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2012 14:05:04 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Access 97 backend database with Access 2007 frontend
In-Reply-To: <4FF6E183.27330.2254100@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <CALGJE97PH2DEf2rdXQxNgoL90OPmXBSOeq6iRew41q0Jv-OqXw@mail.gmail.com>
	<4FF6E183.27330.2254100@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <CALGJE96N1e3-sK1kWrmhafSEAWB9uFwNFAf1u-vgeQ3HqWF1Tg@mail.gmail.com>

Stuart,

Thanks for the reply, first thing I was going to do was look at the
indexing and primary keys etc, good to know that the backend frontend
shouldn't be a problem though, they did mention that their network guys are
pretty strict on access etc, so that's another thing I will be looking at.

Paul

On 6 July 2012 14:00, Stuart McLachlan <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg> wrote:

> I've got one site where all the BEs are still 97 and have not experienced
> any issues, speed or
> otherwise using FE in all more recent versions of Access.  Some of them
> being regularly hit
> by 20-30 users.
>
> First thing I'd look at is indexing, with that few records, lots of
> indexes including multi-field
> ones should not be a problem.
>
> --
> Stuart
>
> On 6 Jul 2012 at 13:46, Paul Hartland wrote:
>
> > To all,
> >
> > I am leaving my current company soon to start with another company, at
> the
> > interview they gave me a demonstration of their current database, they
> > estimated in total there were probably less than 10,000 records on the
> > whole database.  They acknowledged (which was obvious anyway) that the
> > database is slow, now without getting to look at the underlying
> > tables/queries etc before I start, I was wondering if there are any
> common
> > issues with speed that other users on here may of come across.  The
> backend
> > database is in access 97 and the frontend in Access 2007, are there any
> > common problems with this ?
> >
> > Thanks in advance for any help or pointers on this.
> >
> > --
> > Paul Hartland
> > paul.hartland at googlemail.com
> > --
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
>
>
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>



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From tinanfields at torchlake.com  Fri Jul  6 08:18:12 2012
From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields)
Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2012 09:18:12 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] RasPi available for open order?
In-Reply-To: <4FF3018E.9010105@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4FF3018E.9010105@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <4FF6E594.4010106@torchlake.com>

Cool - I did add the clear box for my Raspberry Pi when I placed my 
order by invitation - the one that should arrive sometime around the end 
of September.  I'm eager to get it and start playing with it.
T

Tina Norris Fields
tinanfields at torchlake.com
231-322-2787

On 7/3/2012 10:28 AM, jwcolby wrote:
>
> http://www.alliedelec.com/lp/120626raso/?utm_source=seg&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=120703_raspi_invite_email 
>
>
> They have two cute boxes to hold them as well.



From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Jul  6 09:06:33 2012
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2012 10:06:33 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] RasPi available for open order?
In-Reply-To: <4FF6E594.4010106@torchlake.com>
References: <4FF3018E.9010105@colbyconsulting.com>
	<4FF6E594.4010106@torchlake.com>
Message-ID: <4FF6F0E9.1040705@colbyconsulting.com>

I ordered from the other company and the box wasn't available through them.  I may buy just the box.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it


On 7/6/2012 9:18 AM, Tina Norris Fields wrote:
> Cool - I did add the clear box for my Raspberry Pi when I placed my order by invitation - the one
> that should arrive sometime around the end of September.  I'm eager to get it and start playing with
> it.
> T
>
> Tina Norris Fields
> tinanfields at torchlake.com
> 231-322-2787
>
> On 7/3/2012 10:28 AM, jwcolby wrote:
>>
>> http://www.alliedelec.com/lp/120626raso/?utm_source=seg&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=120703_raspi_invite_email
>>
>>
>> They have two cute boxes to hold them as well.
>
>



From dkalsow at yahoo.com  Fri Jul  6 11:10:02 2012
From: dkalsow at yahoo.com (Dale Kalsow)
Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2012 09:10:02 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [AccessD] RowSource Question
In-Reply-To: <4FED1EBE.8020301@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4FED1EBE.8020301@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <1341591002.3964.YahooMailNeo@web130103.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Good Morning,
?
I have the following code.? My program is running it without any errors but the it does not actually update the combo box.? What do I need to do refresh the combo box?
?
Thanks!
?
Dale

Me.cboSecRoleKey.RowSource = "0;'Administrator MN';1;'Administrator NY';2;'View Only'" 

From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Fri Jul  6 11:27:31 2012
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Sat, 07 Jul 2012 02:27:31 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] RowSource Question
In-Reply-To: <1341591002.3964.YahooMailNeo@web130103.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <4FED1EBE.8020301@colbyconsulting.com>,
	<1341591002.3964.YahooMailNeo@web130103.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4FF711F3.11074.2E2775F@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

Have you set RowSourceType to "Value List" and ColumnCount to 2 ?

On 6 Jul 2012 at 9:10, Dale Kalsow wrote:

> Good Morning,
> ?
> I have the following code.? My program is running it without any errors but the it does not actually update the combo box.? What do I need to do refresh the combo box?
> ?
> Thanks!
> ?
> Dale
> 
> Me.cboSecRoleKey.RowSource = "0;'Administrator MN';1;'Administrator NY';2;'View Only'" 
> -- 
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> 




From dkalsow at yahoo.com  Fri Jul  6 11:33:42 2012
From: dkalsow at yahoo.com (Dale Kalsow)
Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2012 09:33:42 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [AccessD] RowSource Question
In-Reply-To: <4FF711F3.11074.2E2775F@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <4FED1EBE.8020301@colbyconsulting.com>,
	<1341591002.3964.YahooMailNeo@web130103.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<4FF711F3.11074.2E2775F@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <1341592422.89162.YahooMailNeo@web130102.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Yes I do

 

________________________________
 From: Stuart McLachlan <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg>
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving <accessd at databaseadvisors.com> 
Sent: Friday, July 6, 2012 11:27 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] RowSource Question
  
Have you set RowSourceType to "Value List" and ColumnCount to 2 ?

On 6 Jul 2012 at 9:10, Dale Kalsow wrote:

> Good Morning,
> ?
> I have the following code.? My program is running it without any errors but the it does not actually update the combo box.? What do I need to do refresh the combo box?
> ?
> Thanks!
> ?
> Dale
> 
> Me.cboSecRoleKey.RowSource = "0;'Administrator MN';1;'Administrator NY';2;'View Only'" 
> -- 
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> 



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From jackandpat.d at gmail.com  Fri Jul  6 11:56:31 2012
From: jackandpat.d at gmail.com (jack drawbridge)
Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2012 12:56:31 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] RowSource Question
In-Reply-To: <1341592422.89162.YahooMailNeo@web130102.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <4FED1EBE.8020301@colbyconsulting.com>
	<1341591002.3964.YahooMailNeo@web130103.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<4FF711F3.11074.2E2775F@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<1341592422.89162.YahooMailNeo@web130102.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CAKvidAt+bY3Vx7Qzq98k6RgHGum+QvOnbCNRzDsERBXv0jc-+g@mail.gmail.com>

I suggest you remove all the quotes from your value list.

Good luck

On Fri, Jul 6, 2012 at 12:33 PM, Dale Kalsow <dkalsow at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Yes I do
>
>
>
> ________________________________
>  From: Stuart McLachlan <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg>
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving <
> accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Friday, July 6, 2012 11:27 AM
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] RowSource Question
>
> Have you set RowSourceType to "Value List" and ColumnCount to 2 ?
>
> On 6 Jul 2012 at 9:10, Dale Kalsow wrote:
>
> > Good Morning,
> >
> > I have the following code.  My program is running it without any errors
> but the it does not actually update the combo box.  What do I need to do
> refresh the combo box?
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
> > Dale
> >
> > Me.cboSecRoleKey.RowSource = "0;'Administrator MN';1;'Administrator
> NY';2;'View Only'"
> > --
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> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
>
>
>
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Fri Jul  6 16:30:12 2012
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Sat, 07 Jul 2012 07:30:12 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] RowSource Question
In-Reply-To: <1341592422.89162.YahooMailNeo@web130102.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <4FED1EBE.8020301@colbyconsulting.com>,
	<4FF711F3.11074.2E2775F@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>,
	<1341592422.89162.YahooMailNeo@web130102.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4FF758E4.22068.3F7961B@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

What event proc/ function do you currently have the "Me.cboSecRoleKey.RowSource ="  in? 
How are you invoking it?

-- 
Stuart



On 6 Jul 2012 at 9:33, Dale Kalsow wrote:

> Yes I do
> 
>  
> cpd in.
> ________________________________
>  From: Stuart McLachlan <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg>
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving <accessd at databaseadvisors.com> 
> Sent: Friday, July 6, 2012 11:27 AM
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] RowSource Question
>   
> Have you set RowSourceType to "Value List" and ColumnCount to 2 ?
> 
> On 6 Jul 2012 at 9:10, Dale Kalsow wrote:
> 
> > Good Morning,
> > ?
> > I have the following code.? My program is running it without any errors but the it does not actually update the combo box.? What do I need to do refresh the combo box?
> > ?
> > Thanks!
> > ?
> > Dale
> > 
> > Me.cboSecRoleKey.RowSource = "0;'Administrator MN';1;'Administrator NY';2;'View Only'" 
> > -- 
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> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > 
> 
> 
> 
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From darren at activebilling.com.au  Sat Jul  7 09:38:21 2012
From: darren at activebilling.com.au (Darren)
Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2012 00:38:21 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] A2003: Deleting Open Files on a Remote Computer
In-Reply-To: <sff6ad8a.006@cactus.dk>
References: <sff6ad8a.006@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <082301cd5c4e$2a3f2c00$7ebd8400$@activebilling.com.au>

Hi Gustav,
Many thanks for the reply.
I'm not sure I can do that - As 'logging them out' will also kill their VPN
connection(s) to our systems (This is critical so they can run our
software).
But forcing them to drop a file or deleting the file is acceptable, as part
of a 'flush'.
When we do these 'flushes' we immediately fill the same folder with updated
versions of the same files (Same file names and everything).
But it's important they maintain their dB connectivity via our software and
the VPN though.
Any other suggestions :-)?
Many thanks in advance
D

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Friday, 6 July 2012 5:19 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2003: Deleting Open Files on a Remote Computer

Hi Darren

I think you will need to logout those users to release the files.
This can be done remotely as well.

/gustav


>>> darren at activebilling.com.au 06-07-12 4:51 >>>
Hi team,

We have a server that remote users have access to where they can see files.

Mostly XLS, PDF, XML and a few proprietary ones too.

And of course they can open and view these files.

We regularly fill (by writing to) and empty (by deleting) the file contents
of some of these folders.

>From time to time a client may have a PDF or XLS etc. DOC open when we need
to do one of these flushes.

We see this when we manually delete the contents of a folder there may be
one or 2 that can't be deleted.

And then off we go to the Computer Management snap in to find and manually
close the file. We then delete it from the folder.

Is there some way to delete all files in a folder and then go back and do a
(brute) forced delete on the ones that didn't delete on first round?

Or is there some better logic and methodology you blokes use?

Don't be bothered about filling and deleing files opened by another user,
it's a regular thing as we update files (with the same file name) many times
per month.

Many thanks in advance.

Darren.


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From darren at activebilling.com.au  Sat Jul  7 09:42:36 2012
From: darren at activebilling.com.au (Darren)
Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2012 00:42:36 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] RowSource Question
In-Reply-To: <4FF758E4.22068.3F7961B@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <4FED1EBE.8020301@colbyconsulting.com>,
	<4FF711F3.11074.2E2775F@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>,
	<1341592422.89162.YahooMailNeo@web130102.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<4FF758E4.22068.3F7961B@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <082401cd5c4e$c2064e10$4612ea30$@activebilling.com.au>

Hi Dale
Once you have 'run' the Me.cboSecRoleKey.RowSource = something code, perhaps
a Me.cboSecRoleKey.Requery is needed.
Though when I tested it - I attached the population of the row source to a
button click, and it worked without a requery

Private Sub Command2_Click()
Me.cboSecRoleKey.RowSource = "0;'Administrator MN';1;'Administrator
NY';2;'View Only'"
End Sub

As Stuart mentions - Are we able to see how you are 'calling' the population
of the combo? What code is invoking it?
D

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
Sent: Saturday, 7 July 2012 7:30 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] RowSource Question

What event proc/ function do you currently have the
"Me.cboSecRoleKey.RowSource ="  in? 
How are you invoking it?

-- 
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On 6 Jul 2012 at 9:33, Dale Kalsow wrote:

> Yes I do
> 
>  
> cpd in.
> ________________________________
>  From: Stuart McLachlan <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg>
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com> 
> Sent: Friday, July 6, 2012 11:27 AM
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] RowSource Question
>   
> Have you set RowSourceType to "Value List" and ColumnCount to 2 ?
> 
> On 6 Jul 2012 at 9:10, Dale Kalsow wrote:
> 
> > Good Morning,
> > ?
> > I have the following code.? My program is running it without any errors
but the it does not actually update the combo box.? What do I need to do
refresh the combo box?
> > ?
> > Thanks!
> > ?
> > Dale
> > 
> > Me.cboSecRoleKey.RowSource = "0;'Administrator MN';1;'Administrator
NY';2;'View Only'" 
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Sat Jul  7 10:12:25 2012
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sat, 07 Jul 2012 17:12:25 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] A2003: Deleting Open Files on a Remote Computer
Message-ID: <sff86e1a.020@cactus.dk>

Hi Darren

But wouldn't the user have the VPN connections reestablished automatically when he/she logs in again?

Or you could make the files (or the folder(s) holding them) read-only for the users?

/gustav


>>> darren at activebilling.com.au 07-07-12 16:38 >>>
Hi Gustav,
Many thanks for the reply.
I'm not sure I can do that - As 'logging them out' will also kill their VPN
connection(s) to our systems (This is critical so they can run our
software).
But forcing them to drop a file or deleting the file is acceptable, as part
of a 'flush'.
When we do these 'flushes' we immediately fill the same folder with updated
versions of the same files (Same file names and everything).
But it's important they maintain their dB connectivity via our software and
the VPN though.
Any other suggestions :-)?
Many thanks in advance
D

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Friday, 6 July 2012 5:19 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2003: Deleting Open Files on a Remote Computer

Hi Darren

I think you will need to logout those users to release the files.
This can be done remotely as well.

/gustav


>>> darren at activebilling.com.au 06-07-12 4:51 >>>
Hi team,

We have a server that remote users have access to where they can see files.

Mostly XLS, PDF, XML and a few proprietary ones too.

And of course they can open and view these files.

We regularly fill (by writing to) and empty (by deleting) the file contents
of some of these folders.

>From time to time a client may have a PDF or XLS etc. DOC open when we need
to do one of these flushes.

We see this when we manually delete the contents of a folder there may be
one or 2 that can't be deleted.

And then off we go to the Computer Management snap in to find and manually
close the file. We then delete it from the folder.

Is there some way to delete all files in a folder and then go back and do a
(brute) forced delete on the ones that didn't delete on first round?

Or is there some better logic and methodology you blokes use?

Don't be bothered about filling and deleing files opened by another user,
it's a regular thing as we update files (with the same file name) many times
per month.

Many thanks in advance.

Darren.


From BradM at blackforestltd.com  Sat Jul  7 09:57:12 2012
From: BradM at blackforestltd.com (Brad Marks)
Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2012 09:57:12 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Need for a Map (Image) with Multiple Hot Spots (In the
	Shape of Countries)
References: <4FED1EBE.8020301@colbyconsulting.com><1341591002.3964.YahooMailNeo@web130103.mail.mud.yahoo.com><4FF711F3.11074.2E2775F@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg><1341592422.89162.YahooMailNeo@web130102.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<CAKvidAt+bY3Vx7Qzq98k6RgHGum+QvOnbCNRzDsERBXv0jc-+g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C59FEB7E@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>

All,

I have been experimenting with an embedded image on a Form.  

I have added labels on top of the image to act as ?Hot Spots?.

When selected, these labels will be used to ?Drill Down? into more details.
This all works very nicely.

My next step is to build a map with ?Hot Spots? for Drill Downs.

I would like to start with a world map and add a number of Hot Spots that will enable a user to Drill Down for more details for various countries.

The catch is that Access labels only work nicely for Hot Spots that are rectangles. 

It would be ideal if the shape was flexible so that the hot spot could be the shape of a country or group of countries.

Is there a way to do this with Access?

Thanks,
Brad 

From gustav at cactus.dk  Sat Jul  7 10:30:57 2012
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sat, 07 Jul 2012 17:30:57 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Need for a Map (Image) with Multiple Hot Spots	(In
	the Shape of Countries)
Message-ID: <sff87271.021@cactus.dk>

Hi Brad

I don't think there is a method for that. But you could juxtapose or superpose two or more smaller labels calling the same details. For example, New Zealand could be covered by 3 to 5 rectangles while Laos would require a dozen or so.

/gustav


>>> BradM at blackforestltd.com 07-07-12 16:57 >>>
All,

I have been experimenting with an embedded image on a Form.  

I have added labels on top of the image to act as "Hot Spots".

When selected, these labels will be used to "Drill Down" into more details.
This all works very nicely.

My next step is to build a map with "Hot Spots" for Drill Downs.

I would like to start with a world map and add a number of Hot Spots that will enable a user to Drill Down for more details for various countries.

The catch is that Access labels only work nicely for Hot Spots that are rectangles. 

It would be ideal if the shape was flexible so that the hot spot could be the shape of a country or group of countries.

Is there a way to do this with Access?

Thanks,
Brad 



From accessd at shaw.ca  Sat Jul  7 12:05:42 2012
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2012 10:05:42 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Need for a Map (Image) with Multiple Hot Spots (In
	theShape of Countries)
In-Reply-To: <E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C59FEB7E@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
References: <4FED1EBE.8020301@colbyconsulting.com><1341591002.3964.YahooMailNeo@web130103.mail.mud.yahoo.com><4FF711F3.11074.2E2775F@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg><1341592422.89162.YahooMailNeo@web130102.mail.mud.yahoo.com><CAKvidAt+bY3Vx7Qzq98k6RgHGum+QvOnbCNRzDsERBXv0jc-+g@mail.gmail.com>
	<E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C59FEB7E@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
Message-ID: <D91227A49D394ED08199F686B6DCA1C1@creativesystemdesigns.com>

You may wish to go to a web based solution to get that capability but you
can create a web window within an Access form.

Private Sub Form_Current()
'Navigate to a web page
    
    If Len(MyWebSite) > 0 Then 'You have a local webserver and webpages
            MyWebsite.Navigate URL:="MyNewPage1.html"
        Else ' You have a website you can access.
            MyWebsite.Navigate URL:="www.mywebsite.com/MyNewPage1.html"
    End If
End Sub

On any page you can use a number of maps and shape coordinants around
various object you wish to allow selected.
<map name="name">
<area shape="MyShape1" coords="0,0,10,15" href="MyNewPage1.html
<area shape="MyShape2" coords="15,20,10,15" href="MyNewPage2.html
<area shape="MyShape3" coords="20,20,10,15" href="MyNewPage3.html
</map>

The shapes can be of many types from boxes, as shown, to circles or form any
irregular object on an image. To do the complex shape stuff you will need
(like much more than doing manual labour) a map editor. There are a few
stand alone editors but these editors come with every web page-maker.

For very precise positioning, detection and more sophisticated management
you may want to use JavaScript events which can allow the detection of even
a single pixel.

HTH
Jim   

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brad Marks
Sent: Saturday, July 07, 2012 7:57 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Need for a Map (Image) with Multiple Hot Spots (In
theShape of Countries)

All,

I have been experimenting with an embedded image on a Form.  

I have added labels on top of the image to act as "Hot Spots".

When selected, these labels will be used to "Drill Down" into more details.
This all works very nicely.

My next step is to build a map with "Hot Spots" for Drill Downs.

I would like to start with a world map and add a number of Hot Spots that
will enable a user to Drill Down for more details for various countries.

The catch is that Access labels only work nicely for Hot Spots that are
rectangles. 

It would be ideal if the shape was flexible so that the hot spot could be
the shape of a country or group of countries.

Is there a way to do this with Access?

Thanks,
Brad 


From marksimms at verizon.net  Sat Jul  7 13:05:59 2012
From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms)
Date: Sat, 07 Jul 2012 14:05:59 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Need for a Map (Image) with Multiple Hot Spots (In
	the	Shape of Countries)
In-Reply-To: <E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C59FEB7E@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
References: <4FED1EBE.8020301@colbyconsulting.com><1341591002.3964.YahooMailNeo@web130103.mail.mud.yahoo.com><4FF711F3.11074.2E2775F@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg><1341592422.89162.YahooMailNeo@web130102.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<CAKvidAt+bY3Vx7Qzq98k6RgHGum+QvOnbCNRzDsERBXv0jc-+g@mail.gmail.com>
	<E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C59FEB7E@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
Message-ID: <008101cd5c6b$2a004810$7e00d830$@net>

Very cool approach.
Have you considered using many tiny labels that conform to the underlying
image in a pixel sort of fashion ?
You'll have to encapsulate them in a class so you can have your action fire
from a single event handler.




From accessd at shaw.ca  Sat Jul  7 19:42:02 2012
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2012 17:42:02 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Need for a Map (Image) with Multiple Hot Spots
	(Inthe	Shape of Countries)
In-Reply-To: <008101cd5c6b$2a004810$7e00d830$@net>
References: <4FED1EBE.8020301@colbyconsulting.com><1341591002.3964.YahooMailNeo@web130103.mail.mud.yahoo.com><4FF711F3.11074.2E2775F@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg><1341592422.89162.YahooMailNeo@web130102.mail.mud.yahoo.com><CAKvidAt+bY3Vx7Qzq98k6RgHGum+QvOnbCNRzDsERBXv0jc-+g@mail.gmail.com><E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C59FEB7E@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
	<008101cd5c6b$2a004810$7e00d830$@net>
Message-ID: <BCC8912E2BE34518B0DABF3FD9EB3B8E@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Mark:

You can extend that capability by having you access application re-write
various web pages and then call them.

In a number of POS systems, I do that with personalized invoices or sales
brochures and so on. You just open the web page, within Access, re-write it,
then call it and/or just mail it. By picking from a set of pre-design page,
modifying the variables the page can be made to look like anything; add all
the graphics/header/footers you want, even embed links to your web site or
add movies and sounds.

All this can leverage a vanilla Access package further than just a local PC
app to a full web based control center and you don't have to be a web-guru
to do it...just understand the basics of a web page.

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Simms
Sent: Saturday, July 07, 2012 11:06 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Need for a Map (Image) with Multiple Hot Spots (Inthe
Shape of Countries)

Very cool approach.
Have you considered using many tiny labels that conform to the underlying
image in a pixel sort of fashion ?
You'll have to encapsulate them in a class so you can have your action fire
from a single event handler.



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From marksimms at verizon.net  Sun Jul  8 10:58:48 2012
From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms)
Date: Sun, 08 Jul 2012 11:58:48 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Need for a Map (Image) with Multiple Hot
	Spots	(Inthe	Shape of Countries)
In-Reply-To: <BCC8912E2BE34518B0DABF3FD9EB3B8E@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <4FED1EBE.8020301@colbyconsulting.com><1341591002.3964.YahooMailNeo@web130103.mail.mud.yahoo.com><4FF711F3.11074.2E2775F@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg><1341592422.89162.YahooMailNeo@web130102.mail.mud.yahoo.com><CAKvidAt+bY3Vx7Qzq98k6RgHGum+QvOnbCNRzDsERBXv0jc-+g@mail.gmail.com><E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C59FEB7E@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
	<008101cd5c6b$2a004810$7e00d830$@net>
	<BCC8912E2BE34518B0DABF3FD9EB3B8E@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <004b01cd5d22$900ee960$b02cbc20$@net>

Thanks Jim - I never explored that webpage feature.
Does Javascript function properly under Access ?





From accessd at shaw.ca  Sun Jul  8 11:06:51 2012
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2012 09:06:51 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Need for a Map (Image) with Multiple
	HotSpots	(Inthe	Shape of Countries)
In-Reply-To: <004b01cd5d22$900ee960$b02cbc20$@net>
References: <4FED1EBE.8020301@colbyconsulting.com><1341591002.3964.YahooMailNeo@web130103.mail.mud.yahoo.com><4FF711F3.11074.2E2775F@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg><1341592422.89162.YahooMailNeo@web130102.mail.mud.yahoo.com><CAKvidAt+bY3Vx7Qzq98k6RgHGum+QvOnbCNRzDsERBXv0jc-+g@mail.gmail.com><E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C59FEB7E@blkltd.blkfst2003.local><008101cd5c6b$2a004810$7e00d830$@net><BCC8912E2BE34518B0DABF3FD9EB3B8E@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<004b01cd5d22$900ee960$b02cbc20$@net>
Message-ID: <BD0F7B19E48A40D48385F794AB42B022@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Of course Mark. The web page itself is unaware of Access.

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Simms
Sent: Sunday, July 08, 2012 8:59 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Need for a Map (Image) with Multiple HotSpots (Inthe
Shape of Countries)

Thanks Jim - I never explored that webpage feature.
Does Javascript function properly under Access ?




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From marksimms at verizon.net  Tue Jul 10 18:41:55 2012
From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms)
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2012 19:41:55 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] No messages for 2 days ?
In-Reply-To: <BD0F7B19E48A40D48385F794AB42B022@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <4FED1EBE.8020301@colbyconsulting.com><1341591002.3964.YahooMailNeo@web130103.mail.mud.yahoo.com><4FF711F3.11074.2E2775F@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg><1341592422.89162.YahooMailNeo@web130102.mail.mud.yahoo.com><CAKvidAt+bY3Vx7Qzq98k6RgHGum+QvOnbCNRzDsERBXv0jc-+g@mail.gmail.com><E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C59FEB7E@blkltd.blkfst2003.local><008101cd5c6b$2a004810$7e00d830$@net><BCC8912E2BE34518B0DABF3FD9EB3B8E@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<004b01cd5d22$900ee960$b02cbc20$@net>
	<BD0F7B19E48A40D48385F794AB42B022@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <012e01cd5ef5$976c2d60$c6448820$@net>

Technical problems ?



From dbdoug at gmail.com  Tue Jul 10 19:01:44 2012
From: dbdoug at gmail.com (Doug Steele)
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2012 17:01:44 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] No messages for 2 days ?
In-Reply-To: <012e01cd5ef5$976c2d60$c6448820$@net>
References: <4FED1EBE.8020301@colbyconsulting.com>
	<1341591002.3964.YahooMailNeo@web130103.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<4FF711F3.11074.2E2775F@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<1341592422.89162.YahooMailNeo@web130102.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<CAKvidAt+bY3Vx7Qzq98k6RgHGum+QvOnbCNRzDsERBXv0jc-+g@mail.gmail.com>
	<E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C59FEB7E@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
	<008101cd5c6b$2a004810$7e00d830$@net>
	<BCC8912E2BE34518B0DABF3FD9EB3B8E@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<004b01cd5d22$900ee960$b02cbc20$@net>
	<BD0F7B19E48A40D48385F794AB42B022@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<012e01cd5ef5$976c2d60$c6448820$@net>
Message-ID: <CAFa8NkgjwoaCrJ1eCqDx3WnGUc8_uhVNWoeRHY31yTbuhj0QPw@mail.gmail.com>

Summer heat?

On Tue, Jul 10, 2012 at 4:41 PM, Mark Simms <marksimms at verizon.net> wrote:
> Technical problems ?
>
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From BradM at blackforestltd.com  Tue Jul 10 19:02:26 2012
From: BradM at blackforestltd.com (Brad Marks)
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2012 19:02:26 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Access 2007 Report Application ? SQL Server via ODBC ?
	Deadlock Issue
References: <4FED1EBE.8020301@colbyconsulting.com><1341591002.3964.YahooMailNeo@web130103.mail.mud.yahoo.com><4FF711F3.11074.2E2775F@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg><1341592422.89162.YahooMailNeo@web130102.mail.mud.yahoo.com><CAKvidAt+bY3Vx7Qzq98k6RgHGum+QvOnbCNRzDsERBXv0jc-+g@mail.gmail.com><E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C59FEB7E@blkltd.blkfst2003.local><008101cd5c6b$2a004810$7e00d830$@net><BCC8912E2BE34518B0DABF3FD9EB3B8E@creativesystemdesigns.com><004b01cd5d22$900ee960$b02cbc20$@net><BD0F7B19E48A40D48385F794AB42B022@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<012e01cd5ef5$976c2d60$c6448820$@net>
Message-ID: <E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C59FEB80@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>

All,

We have a small Access 2007 reporting application that obtains data from SQL Server via ODBC.

This application updates no data.

Recently an ODBC error occurred because of a ?Deadlock?

The ?Record Locks? property for the query is set up ?No Locks?

Is there a way to tell SQL Server to not set any locks for such an application.

Thanks,
Brad      



From darren at activebilling.com.au  Tue Jul 10 19:48:23 2012
From: darren at activebilling.com.au (Darren)
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2012 10:48:23 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] No messages for 2 days ?
In-Reply-To: <CAFa8NkgjwoaCrJ1eCqDx3WnGUc8_uhVNWoeRHY31yTbuhj0QPw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4FED1EBE.8020301@colbyconsulting.com>	<1341591002.3964.YahooMailNeo@web130103.mail.mud.yahoo.com>	<4FF711F3.11074.2E2775F@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>	<1341592422.89162.YahooMailNeo@web130102.mail.mud.yahoo.com>	<CAKvidAt+bY3Vx7Qzq98k6RgHGum+QvOnbCNRzDsERBXv0jc-+g@mail.gmail.com>	<E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C59FEB7E@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>	<008101cd5c6b$2a004810$7e00d830$@net>	<BCC8912E2BE34518B0DABF3FD9EB3B8E@creativesystemdesigns.com>	<004b01cd5d22$900ee960$b02cbc20$@net>	<BD0F7B19E48A40D48385F794AB42B022@creativesystemdesigns.com>	<012e01cd5ef5$976c2d60$c6448820$@net>
	<CAFa8NkgjwoaCrJ1eCqDx3WnGUc8_uhVNWoeRHY31yTbuhj0QPw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <0c0a01cd5efe$e1e640c0$a5b2c240$@activebilling.com.au>

Winter freezing here in the Southern Hemisphere

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Doug Steele
Sent: Wednesday, 11 July 2012 10:02 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] No messages for 2 days ?

Summer heat?

On Tue, Jul 10, 2012 at 4:41 PM, Mark Simms <marksimms at verizon.net> wrote:
> Technical problems ?
>
>
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
-- 
AccessD mailing list
AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com


From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Tue Jul 10 20:01:32 2012
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2012 11:01:32 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] No messages for 2 days ?
In-Reply-To: <0c0a01cd5efe$e1e640c0$a5b2c240$@activebilling.com.au>
References: <4FED1EBE.8020301@colbyconsulting.com>,
	<CAFa8NkgjwoaCrJ1eCqDx3WnGUc8_uhVNWoeRHY31yTbuhj0QPw@mail.gmail.com>,
	<0c0a01cd5efe$e1e640c0$a5b2c240$@activebilling.com.au>
Message-ID: <4FFCD06C.1172.1952767B@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

Not freezing here in the Southern Hemisphere - and I'm a full  9.5 degrees south of the 
equator :-)

-- 
Stuart

On 11 Jul 2012 at 10:48, Darren wrote:

> Winter freezing here in the Southern Hemisphere
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Doug Steele
> Sent: Wednesday, 11 July 2012 10:02 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] No messages for 2 days ?
> 
> Summer heat?
> 
> On Tue, Jul 10, 2012 at 4:41 PM, Mark Simms <marksimms at verizon.net> wrote:
> > Technical problems ?
> >
> >
> > --
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> -- 
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 
> -- 
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 


--
Stuart McLachlan


Domain Hosting for Papua New Guiinea

Ph:    +675 7153 9238
Mob: +675 7100 2028
Web: http://www.hostingpng.com



From accessd at shaw.ca  Tue Jul 10 20:39:58 2012
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2012 18:39:58 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] No messages for 2 days ?
In-Reply-To: <CAFa8NkgjwoaCrJ1eCqDx3WnGUc8_uhVNWoeRHY31yTbuhj0QPw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4FED1EBE.8020301@colbyconsulting.com><1341591002.3964.YahooMailNeo@web130103.mail.mud.yahoo.com><4FF711F3.11074.2E2775F@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg><1341592422.89162.YahooMailNeo@web130102.mail.mud.yahoo.com><CAKvidAt+bY3Vx7Qzq98k6RgHGum+QvOnbCNRzDsERBXv0jc-+g@mail.gmail.com><E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C59FEB7E@blkltd.blkfst2003.local><008101cd5c6b$2a004810$7e00d830$@net><BCC8912E2BE34518B0DABF3FD9EB3B8E@creativesystemdesigns.com><004b01cd5d22$900ee960$b02cbc20$@net><BD0F7B19E48A40D48385F794AB42B022@creativesystemdesigns.com><012e01cd5ef5$976c2d60$c6448820$@net>
	<CAFa8NkgjwoaCrJ1eCqDx3WnGUc8_uhVNWoeRHY31yTbuhj0QPw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <0E765C042632415B8BFBE2FE0CE22C5C@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Do you mean unusual summer heat?

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Doug Steele
Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2012 5:02 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] No messages for 2 days ?

Summer heat?

On Tue, Jul 10, 2012 at 4:41 PM, Mark Simms <marksimms at verizon.net> wrote:
> Technical problems ?
>
>
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
-- 
AccessD mailing list
AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com


From accessd at shaw.ca  Tue Jul 10 20:41:46 2012
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2012 18:41:46 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Access 2007 Report Application ? SQL Server via ODBC
	?Deadlock Issue
In-Reply-To: <E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C59FEB80@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
References: <4FED1EBE.8020301@colbyconsulting.com><1341591002.3964.YahooMailNeo@web130103.mail.mud.yahoo.com><4FF711F3.11074.2E2775F@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg><1341592422.89162.YahooMailNeo@web130102.mail.mud.yahoo.com><CAKvidAt+bY3Vx7Qzq98k6RgHGum+QvOnbCNRzDsERBXv0jc-+g@mail.gmail.com><E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C59FEB7E@blkltd.blkfst2003.local><008101cd5c6b$2a004810$7e00d830$@net><BCC8912E2BE34518B0DABF3FD9EB3B8E@creativesystemdesigns.com><004b01cd5d22$900ee960$b02cbc20$@net><BD0F7B19E48A40D48385F794AB42B022@creativesystemdesigns.com><012e01cd5ef5$976c2d60$c6448820$@net>
	<E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C59FEB80@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
Message-ID: <CEB8265D1E534EEF830324EDD8AA2001@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Don't you do that when you call the recordsets; static and forward-only?

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brad Marks
Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2012 5:02 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Access 2007 Report Application ? SQL Server via ODBC
?Deadlock Issue

All,

We have a small Access 2007 reporting application that obtains data from SQL
Server via ODBC.

This application updates no data.

Recently an ODBC error occurred because of a "Deadlock"

The "Record Locks" property for the query is set up "No Locks"

Is there a way to tell SQL Server to not set any locks for such an
application.

Thanks,
Brad      




From accessd at shaw.ca  Tue Jul 10 20:43:41 2012
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2012 18:43:41 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] No messages for 2 days ?
In-Reply-To: <0c0a01cd5efe$e1e640c0$a5b2c240$@activebilling.com.au>
References: <4FED1EBE.8020301@colbyconsulting.com>	<1341591002.3964.YahooMailNeo@web130103.mail.mud.yahoo.com>	<4FF711F3.11074.2E2775F@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>	<1341592422.89162.YahooMailNeo@web130102.mail.mud.yahoo.com>	<CAKvidAt+bY3Vx7Qzq98k6RgHGum+QvOnbCNRzDsERBXv0jc-+g@mail.gmail.com>	<E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C59FEB7E@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>	<008101cd5c6b$2a004810$7e00d830$@net>	<BCC8912E2BE34518B0DABF3FD9EB3B8E@creativesystemdesigns.com>	<004b01cd5d22$900ee960$b02cbc20$@net>	<BD0F7B19E48A40D48385F794AB42B022@creativesystemdesigns.com>	<012e01cd5ef5$976c2d60$c6448820$@net><CAFa8NkgjwoaCrJ1eCqDx3WnGUc8_uhVNWoeRHY31yTbuhj0QPw@mail.gmail.com>
	<0c0a01cd5efe$e1e640c0$a5b2c240$@activebilling.com.au>
Message-ID: <3FDF78F4548B4879926D9EBD1DD5F83D@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Oh yes the bottom half of the planet. ;-)

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darren
Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2012 5:48 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] No messages for 2 days ?

Winter freezing here in the Southern Hemisphere

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Doug Steele
Sent: Wednesday, 11 July 2012 10:02 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] No messages for 2 days ?

Summer heat?

On Tue, Jul 10, 2012 at 4:41 PM, Mark Simms <marksimms at verizon.net> wrote:
> Technical problems ?
>
>
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
-- 
AccessD mailing list
AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com

-- 
AccessD mailing list
AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com


From vbacreations at gmail.com  Tue Jul 10 20:43:48 2012
From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson)
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2012 21:43:48 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] No messages for 2 days ?
In-Reply-To: <012e01cd5ef5$976c2d60$c6448820$@net>
References: <4FED1EBE.8020301@colbyconsulting.com>
	<1341591002.3964.YahooMailNeo@web130103.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<4FF711F3.11074.2E2775F@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<1341592422.89162.YahooMailNeo@web130102.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<CAKvidAt+bY3Vx7Qzq98k6RgHGum+QvOnbCNRzDsERBXv0jc-+g@mail.gmail.com>
	<E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C59FEB7E@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
	<008101cd5c6b$2a004810$7e00d830$@net>
	<BCC8912E2BE34518B0DABF3FD9EB3B8E@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<004b01cd5d22$900ee960$b02cbc20$@net>
	<BD0F7B19E48A40D48385F794AB42B022@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<012e01cd5ef5$976c2d60$c6448820$@net>
Message-ID: <CAGuQ9V5-9NduOxme82is=oixLq+TDu528hRD=PBVSOHr235faQ@mail.gmail.com>

My funding has run out. Clien.   t-wise.

Technically that's a problem

And it's a problem in every other way also.
On Jul 10, 2012 7:43 PM, "Mark Simms" <marksimms at verizon.net> wrote:

> Technical problems ?
>
>
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>

From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Tue Jul 10 20:53:35 2012
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2012 11:53:35 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] No messages for 2 days ?
In-Reply-To: <3FDF78F4548B4879926D9EBD1DD5F83D@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <4FED1EBE.8020301@colbyconsulting.com>,
	<0c0a01cd5efe$e1e640c0$a5b2c240$@activebilling.com.au>,
	<3FDF78F4548B4879926D9EBD1DD5F83D@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <4FFCDC9F.22391.19821E6E@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

It all depends on how you look at it:

http://flourish.org/upsidedownmap/hobodyer-large.jpg

:-)

-- 
Stuart

On 10 Jul 2012 at 18:43, Jim Lawrence wrote:

> Oh yes the bottom half of the planet. ;-)
> 
> Jim
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darren
> Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2012 5:48 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] No messages for 2 days ?
> 
> Winter freezing here in the Southern Hemisphere
> 



From accessd at shaw.ca  Tue Jul 10 21:08:27 2012
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2012 19:08:27 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] No messages for 2 days ?
In-Reply-To: <CAGuQ9V5-9NduOxme82is=oixLq+TDu528hRD=PBVSOHr235faQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4FED1EBE.8020301@colbyconsulting.com><1341591002.3964.YahooMailNeo@web130103.mail.mud.yahoo.com><4FF711F3.11074.2E2775F@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg><1341592422.89162.YahooMailNeo@web130102.mail.mud.yahoo.com><CAKvidAt+bY3Vx7Qzq98k6RgHGum+QvOnbCNRzDsERBXv0jc-+g@mail.gmail.com><E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C59FEB7E@blkltd.blkfst2003.local><008101cd5c6b$2a004810$7e00d830$@net><BCC8912E2BE34518B0DABF3FD9EB3B8E@creativesystemdesigns.com><004b01cd5d22$900ee960$b02cbc20$@net><BD0F7B19E48A40D48385F794AB42B022@creativesystemdesigns.com><012e01cd5ef5$976c2d60$c6448820$@net>
	<CAGuQ9V5-9NduOxme82is=oixLq+TDu528hRD=PBVSOHr235faQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <EAE4E32C87CD484FAD95F8FD30F50670@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Can relate.

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Benson
Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2012 6:44 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] No messages for 2 days ?

My funding has run out. Clien.   t-wise.

Technically that's a problem

And it's a problem in every other way also.
On Jul 10, 2012 7:43 PM, "Mark Simms" <marksimms at verizon.net> wrote:

> Technical problems ?
>
>
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
-- 
AccessD mailing list
AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com


From accessd at shaw.ca  Tue Jul 10 21:09:54 2012
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2012 19:09:54 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] No messages for 2 days ?
In-Reply-To: <4FFCDC9F.22391.19821E6E@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <4FED1EBE.8020301@colbyconsulting.com>,
	<0c0a01cd5efe$e1e640c0$a5b2c240$@activebilling.com.au>,
	<3FDF78F4548B4879926D9EBD1DD5F83D@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<4FFCDC9F.22391.19821E6E@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <CE4DC96FAA054C1B92D414385A61D516@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Wow what planet is that...everyone is going to fall off. 

(I like the map)

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2012 6:54 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] No messages for 2 days ?

It all depends on how you look at it:

http://flourish.org/upsidedownmap/hobodyer-large.jpg

:-)

-- 
Stuart

On 10 Jul 2012 at 18:43, Jim Lawrence wrote:

> Oh yes the bottom half of the planet. ;-)
> 
> Jim
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darren
> Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2012 5:48 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] No messages for 2 days ?
> 
> Winter freezing here in the Southern Hemisphere
> 


-- 
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Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com


From marksimms at verizon.net  Wed Jul 11 07:04:23 2012
From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms)
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2012 08:04:23 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] No messages for 2 days ?
In-Reply-To: <CAGuQ9V5-9NduOxme82is=oixLq+TDu528hRD=PBVSOHr235faQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4FED1EBE.8020301@colbyconsulting.com>
	<1341591002.3964.YahooMailNeo@web130103.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<4FF711F3.11074.2E2775F@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<1341592422.89162.YahooMailNeo@web130102.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<CAKvidAt+bY3Vx7Qzq98k6RgHGum+QvOnbCNRzDsERBXv0jc-+g@mail.gmail.com>
	<E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C59FEB7E@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
	<008101cd5c6b$2a004810$7e00d830$@net>
	<BCC8912E2BE34518B0DABF3FD9EB3B8E@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<004b01cd5d22$900ee960$b02cbc20$@net>
	<BD0F7B19E48A40D48385F794AB42B022@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<012e01cd5ef5$976c2d60$c6448820$@net>
	<CAGuQ9V5-9NduOxme82is=oixLq+TDu528hRD=PBVSOHr235faQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <002901cd5f5d$504b93e0$f0e2bba0$@net>

Got it and I'm constantly in/out of active work.
Luckily I'm "in" right now.
But....As usual, no long term gigs in sight.

Interestingly, since the Supreme Court decision, a lot of new gigs have
begun in my area...
Mostly healthcare and biotech and pharma.


> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-
> bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Benson
> Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2012 9:44 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] No messages for 2 days ?
>
> My funding has run out. Clien.   t-wise.
>
> Technically that's a problem
>
> And it's a problem in every other way also.
> On Jul 10, 2012 7:43 PM, "Mark Simms" <marksimms at verizon.net> wrote:
>
> > Technical problems ?
> >
> >
> > --
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com



From gustav at cactus.dk  Wed Jul 11 07:51:25 2012
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2012 14:51:25 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Where to publish stuff
Message-ID: <sffd9308.092@cactus.dk>

Hi all

I'm currently coworking on a large project which for a moment holds me back from Visual Studio and C# and forces me to dust off the Access stuff (and as this A2010 many things are new to me).

This may generate a couple of spin-off articles but where to publish these? I haven't actively searched Access stuff for the last five years, so I feel a little lost.

Our own site seems not active in this area, DevX has ceased the database area years ago, TechRepublic focus on the limited 10-steps-to-something, UtterAccess seems to anonymise articles, Expert-Exchange requires a log-in, DatabaseJournal doesn't cover Access, CodePlex is focusing on .Net, and so on and so forth.

On top of this Susan (Harkins) - who seemed to be able to open any door - has retired.

Any suggestions?

/gustav


From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Wed Jul 11 07:47:45 2012
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2012 13:47:45 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [AccessD] No messages for 2 days ?
In-Reply-To: <002901cd5f5d$504b93e0$f0e2bba0$@net>
References: <4FED1EBE.8020301@colbyconsulting.com>
	<1341591002.3964.YahooMailNeo@web130103.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<4FF711F3.11074.2E2775F@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<1341592422.89162.YahooMailNeo@web130102.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<CAKvidAt+bY3Vx7Qzq98k6RgHGum+QvOnbCNRzDsERBXv0jc-+g@mail.gmail.com>
	<E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C59FEB7E@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
	<008101cd5c6b$2a004810$7e00d830$@net>
	<BCC8912E2BE34518B0DABF3FD9EB3B8E@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<004b01cd5d22$900ee960$b02cbc20$@net>
	<BD0F7B19E48A40D48385F794AB42B022@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<012e01cd5ef5$976c2d60$c6448820$@net>
	<CAGuQ9V5-9NduOxme82is=oixLq+TDu528hRD=PBVSOHr235faQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<002901cd5f5d$504b93e0$f0e2bba0$@net>
Message-ID: <1757110958.276621.1342010865166.JavaMail.open-xchange@email.1and1.co.uk>

Hi Mark

For those of us outside the US can you explain the Supreme Court reference? Just
curious.

Andy


On 11 July 2012 at 13:04 Mark Simms <marksimms at verizon.net> wrote:

> Got it and I'm constantly in/out of active work.
> Luckily I'm "in" right now.
> But....As usual, no long term gigs in sight.
>
> Interestingly, since the Supreme Court decision, a lot of new gigs have
> begun in my area...
> Mostly healthcare and biotech and pharma.
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-
> > bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Benson
> > Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2012 9:44 PM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] No messages for 2 days ?
> >
> > My funding has run out. Clien.   t-wise.
> >
> > Technically that's a problem
> >
> > And it's a problem in every other way also.
> > On Jul 10, 2012 7:43 PM, "Mark Simms" <marksimms at verizon.net> wrote:
> >
> > > Technical problems ?
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > AccessD mailing list
> > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > >
> > --
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com

From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Wed Jul 11 07:48:27 2012
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2012 13:48:27 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [AccessD] No messages for 2 days ?
In-Reply-To: <002901cd5f5d$504b93e0$f0e2bba0$@net>
References: <4FED1EBE.8020301@colbyconsulting.com>
	<1341591002.3964.YahooMailNeo@web130103.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<4FF711F3.11074.2E2775F@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<1341592422.89162.YahooMailNeo@web130102.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<CAKvidAt+bY3Vx7Qzq98k6RgHGum+QvOnbCNRzDsERBXv0jc-+g@mail.gmail.com>
	<E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C59FEB7E@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
	<008101cd5c6b$2a004810$7e00d830$@net>
	<BCC8912E2BE34518B0DABF3FD9EB3B8E@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<004b01cd5d22$900ee960$b02cbc20$@net>
	<BD0F7B19E48A40D48385F794AB42B022@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<012e01cd5ef5$976c2d60$c6448820$@net>
	<CAGuQ9V5-9NduOxme82is=oixLq+TDu528hRD=PBVSOHr235faQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<002901cd5f5d$504b93e0$f0e2bba0$@net>
Message-ID: <855027489.276685.1342010907288.JavaMail.open-xchange@email.1and1.co.uk>

Doh, just realised you mean the Healthcare decision. Sorry.

Andy


On 11 July 2012 at 13:04 Mark Simms <marksimms at verizon.net> wrote:

> Got it and I'm constantly in/out of active work.
> Luckily I'm "in" right now.
> But....As usual, no long term gigs in sight.
>
> Interestingly, since the Supreme Court decision, a lot of new gigs have
> begun in my area...
> Mostly healthcare and biotech and pharma.
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-
> > bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Benson
> > Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2012 9:44 PM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] No messages for 2 days ?
> >
> > My funding has run out. Clien.   t-wise.
> >
> > Technically that's a problem
> >
> > And it's a problem in every other way also.
> > On Jul 10, 2012 7:43 PM, "Mark Simms" <marksimms at verizon.net> wrote:
> >
> > > Technical problems ?
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > AccessD mailing list
> > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > >
> > --
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com

From gustav at cactus.dk  Wed Jul 11 08:14:23 2012
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2012 15:14:23 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Svar: What to do? (was: Just Another Old Boys Club)
Message-ID: <sffd986d.094@cactus.dk>

Hi all

The "No messages for 2 days" post reminded me of this thread 2 years ago.
Since then nothing has changed.

The main issue I see, is that mail lists are quite bad at attracting new members. You cannot just drop in and see what's going on, nor can you attach screenshots or code files, you can't even link to a message except if you are able to find it in the archive.

The forum-style seems to me to be answer though I'm aware of the weak sides. First of all some moderator time to keep spam and trolls out. Also the cost to run it which forces some to include adds.

However, except for these thoughts, I have no "solution".
What do you think?

/gustav


>>> DWUTKA at marlow.com 08-07-10 23:56 >>>
Tony, I have to agree with Gary here.  There has been a lot of chit chat
on here, because the list has gotten much less help requests.  Not that
we don't get any.  We do.  I must admit I don't answer every question
posted on here, but that's not the intent of the list anyways.  I do
answer ones that I can readily answer.  Questions about Access 2007 and
soon 2010 are just not ones I can personally deal with, simply because I
don't use those.  I answer SQL stuff still, and the rare VBA question,
because I am still familiar with such things.

But Access is dying.  I think we all realize that.  It's like if we were
a Windows 9x forum...by now, the questions would have stopped flowing
completely. Access has changed, and new things have come to pass which
have sidelined mainstream Access development.  Access is a wonderful
tool, but it has seen it's better days.

Maybe Access will spark again, who knows.  

I'm posting this, however, to ask what you think we should do
differently?  Keep the list quiet, and discuss nothing but Access?  That
would just let the list die off right now.  We've debated things left
and right, not a lot to discuss anymore, we can only field the questions
that are asked, and in the middle of that, chit chat about other
technologies.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tony Septav
Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2010 3:55 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Just ANother Old Boys Club

My Friend
You insult me.
This is no longer a user group, no matter what you have to say.  This 
was  one of the most vibrant groups I have ever dealt with. A community 
willing to express their opions on every topic. It has gotten to be just

the old boys,  disussing topics of no relevance to ACCESS programmng.  I

think it is indicating a demise of the  Access community.


Gary Kjos wrote:

>And most of us have kind of moved on from straight Access Development
>like we did years ago. But we do still answer them when they are asked
>most of the time. You might have to wait a day or two sometimes.
>
>I kind of do take exception to your attempt to put some guilt on list
>members for not doing..... not sure what.
>
>I have a real job. I have a life. I give my time to the list as an
>administrator. I answer the questions when I can. I'm not sure what
>more you expect Tony. I think the number of new users of Access is
>probably a lot less than it used to be, especially as Excel has had
>it's limits raised over the most recent releases. Used to be that
>people were forced to use Access for things when they hit the 65K row
>limit in an Excel file. Now that bar is raised over a million rows so
>the user community sticks with Excel for those things.
>
>Sorry you feel like we aren't living up to your expectations but we
>are doing what we can.
>
>
>GK


From jimdettman at verizon.net  Wed Jul 11 08:24:05 2012
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2012 09:24:05 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Where to publish stuff
In-Reply-To: <sffd9308.092@cactus.dk>
References: <sffd9308.092@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <FF26DB6E928345CF8D783157F835E37D@XPS>

<<Expert-Exchange requires a log-in>>

 Just as an FYI, EE doesn't require a login to view articles. Quite a bit
has changed in the last couple of years. 

Jim.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2012 08:51 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Where to publish stuff

Hi all

I'm currently coworking on a large project which for a moment holds me back
from Visual Studio and C# and forces me to dust off the Access stuff (and as
this A2010 many things are new to me).

This may generate a couple of spin-off articles but where to publish these?
I haven't actively searched Access stuff for the last five years, so I feel
a little lost.

Our own site seems not active in this area, DevX has ceased the database
area years ago, TechRepublic focus on the limited 10-steps-to-something,
UtterAccess seems to anonymise articles, Expert-Exchange requires a log-in,
DatabaseJournal doesn't cover Access, CodePlex is focusing on .Net, and so
on and so forth.

On top of this Susan (Harkins) - who seemed to be able to open any door -
has retired.

Any suggestions?

/gustav

-- 
AccessD mailing list
AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com


From garykjos at gmail.com  Wed Jul 11 09:36:51 2012
From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos)
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2012 09:36:51 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Svar: What to do? (was: Just Another Old Boys Club)
In-Reply-To: <sffd986d.094@cactus.dk>
References: <sffd986d.094@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <CAJ2R_p+z5hAcnO=_qxLhJ_t78cEXFq2mytNWXrQFCE-6DuCNwg@mail.gmail.com>

I miss Drew. May he Rest In Peace.

GK

On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 8:14 AM, Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:

> Hi all
>
> The "No messages for 2 days" post reminded me of this thread 2 years ago.
> Since then nothing has changed.
>
> The main issue I see, is that mail lists are quite bad at attracting new
> members. You cannot just drop in and see what's going on, nor can you
> attach screenshots or code files, you can't even link to a message except
> if you are able to find it in the archive.
>
> The forum-style seems to me to be answer though I'm aware of the weak
> sides. First of all some moderator time to keep spam and trolls out. Also
> the cost to run it which forces some to include adds.
>
> However, except for these thoughts, I have no "solution".
> What do you think?
>
> /gustav
>
>
> >>> DWUTKA at marlow.com 08-07-10 23:56 >>>
> Tony, I have to agree with Gary here.  There has been a lot of chit chat
> on here, because the list has gotten much less help requests.  Not that
> we don't get any.  We do.  I must admit I don't answer every question
> posted on here, but that's not the intent of the list anyways.  I do
> answer ones that I can readily answer.  Questions about Access 2007 and
> soon 2010 are just not ones I can personally deal with, simply because I
> don't use those.  I answer SQL stuff still, and the rare VBA question,
> because I am still familiar with such things.
>
> But Access is dying.  I think we all realize that.  It's like if we were
> a Windows 9x forum...by now, the questions would have stopped flowing
> completely. Access has changed, and new things have come to pass which
> have sidelined mainstream Access development.  Access is a wonderful
> tool, but it has seen it's better days.
>
> Maybe Access will spark again, who knows.
>
> I'm posting this, however, to ask what you think we should do
> differently?  Keep the list quiet, and discuss nothing but Access?  That
> would just let the list die off right now.  We've debated things left
> and right, not a lot to discuss anymore, we can only field the questions
> that are asked, and in the middle of that, chit chat about other
> technologies.
>
> Drew
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tony Septav
> Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2010 3:55 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Just ANother Old Boys Club
>
> My Friend
> You insult me.
> This is no longer a user group, no matter what you have to say.  This
> was  one of the most vibrant groups I have ever dealt with. A community
> willing to express their opions on every topic. It has gotten to be just
>
> the old boys,  disussing topics of no relevance to ACCESS programmng.  I
>
> think it is indicating a demise of the  Access community.
>
>
> Gary Kjos wrote:
>
> >And most of us have kind of moved on from straight Access Development
> >like we did years ago. But we do still answer them when they are asked
> >most of the time. You might have to wait a day or two sometimes.
> >
> >I kind of do take exception to your attempt to put some guilt on list
> >members for not doing..... not sure what.
> >
> >I have a real job. I have a life. I give my time to the list as an
> >administrator. I answer the questions when I can. I'm not sure what
> >more you expect Tony. I think the number of new users of Access is
> >probably a lot less than it used to be, especially as Excel has had
> >it's limits raised over the most recent releases. Used to be that
> >people were forced to use Access for things when they hit the 65K row
> >limit in an Excel file. Now that bar is raised over a million rows so
> >the user community sticks with Excel for those things.
> >
> >Sorry you feel like we aren't living up to your expectations but we
> >are doing what we can.
> >
> >
> >GK
>
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>



-- 
Gary Kjos
garykjos at gmail.com

From charlotte.foust at gmail.com  Wed Jul 11 09:45:07 2012
From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2012 07:45:07 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Svar: What to do? (was: Just Another Old Boys Club)
In-Reply-To: <sffd986d.094@cactus.dk>
References: <sffd986d.094@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <CAH+Met8Z3qy3rk2baw40tXr4Ror2T7=k_rzUMgQ2fhduXk_U1A@mail.gmail.com>

Facebook, maybe?

I saw the consumer demo of Windows 8 last night and kept wondering where it
left business clients.  If it looks like Android/Apple, behaves like them
and is as much of a toy, why bother with windows at all?  There's a huge
amount of collected wisdom in this group, and business clients actually
need our knowledge.  Unfortunately, Microsoft seems to have decided that
their future market belongs to social networks and not to businesses.  When
new PCs all come with Win8, people may have to resort to either not
upgrading or just using their smart phones.

Personally, I find the Android/Apple interface fine for smartphones, but I
don't like it on tablets and  I won't go there on PCs.  Guess that means
I'll have to stick with working for companies that live in the past.

Charlotte

On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 6:14 AM, Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:

> Hi all
>
> The "No messages for 2 days" post reminded me of this thread 2 years ago.
> Since then nothing has changed.
>
> The main issue I see, is that mail lists are quite bad at attracting new
> members. You cannot just drop in and see what's going on, nor can you
> attach screenshots or code files, you can't even link to a message except
> if you are able to find it in the archive.
>
> The forum-style seems to me to be answer though I'm aware of the weak
> sides. First of all some moderator time to keep spam and trolls out. Also
> the cost to run it which forces some to include adds.
>
> However, except for these thoughts, I have no "solution".
> What do you think?
>
> /gustav
> <snip>
>
>

From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed Jul 11 10:17:10 2012
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2012 11:17:10 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Svar: What to do? (was: Just Another Old Boys Club)
In-Reply-To: <sffd986d.094@cactus.dk>
References: <sffd986d.094@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <4FFD98F6.50001@colbyconsulting.com>

LOL, and all the "old boys" are another 2 years older.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it


On 7/11/2012 9:14 AM, Gustav Brock wrote:
> Hi all
>
> The "No messages for 2 days" post reminded me of this thread 2 years ago.
> Since then nothing has changed.
>
> The main issue I see, is that mail lists are quite bad at attracting new members. You cannot just drop in and see what's going on, nor can you attach screenshots or code files, you can't even link to a message except if you are able to find it in the archive.
>
> The forum-style seems to me to be answer though I'm aware of the weak sides. First of all some moderator time to keep spam and trolls out. Also the cost to run it which forces some to include adds.
>
> However, except for these thoughts, I have no "solution".
> What do you think?
>
> /gustav
>
>
>>>> DWUTKA at marlow.com 08-07-10 23:56 >>>
> Tony, I have to agree with Gary here.  There has been a lot of chit chat
> on here, because the list has gotten much less help requests.  Not that
> we don't get any.  We do.  I must admit I don't answer every question
> posted on here, but that's not the intent of the list anyways.  I do
> answer ones that I can readily answer.  Questions about Access 2007 and
> soon 2010 are just not ones I can personally deal with, simply because I
> don't use those.  I answer SQL stuff still, and the rare VBA question,
> because I am still familiar with such things.
>
> But Access is dying.  I think we all realize that.  It's like if we were
> a Windows 9x forum...by now, the questions would have stopped flowing
> completely. Access has changed, and new things have come to pass which
> have sidelined mainstream Access development.  Access is a wonderful
> tool, but it has seen it's better days.
>
> Maybe Access will spark again, who knows.
>
> I'm posting this, however, to ask what you think we should do
> differently?  Keep the list quiet, and discuss nothing but Access?  That
> would just let the list die off right now.  We've debated things left
> and right, not a lot to discuss anymore, we can only field the questions
> that are asked, and in the middle of that, chit chat about other
> technologies.
>
> Drew
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tony Septav
> Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2010 3:55 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Just ANother Old Boys Club
>
> My Friend
> You insult me.
> This is no longer a user group, no matter what you have to say.  This
> was  one of the most vibrant groups I have ever dealt with. A community
> willing to express their opions on every topic. It has gotten to be just
>
> the old boys,  disussing topics of no relevance to ACCESS programmng.  I
>
> think it is indicating a demise of the  Access community.
>
>
> Gary Kjos wrote:
>
>> And most of us have kind of moved on from straight Access Development
>> like we did years ago. But we do still answer them when they are asked
>> most of the time. You might have to wait a day or two sometimes.
>>
>> I kind of do take exception to your attempt to put some guilt on list
>> members for not doing..... not sure what.
>>
>> I have a real job. I have a life. I give my time to the list as an
>> administrator. I answer the questions when I can. I'm not sure what
>> more you expect Tony. I think the number of new users of Access is
>> probably a lot less than it used to be, especially as Excel has had
>> it's limits raised over the most recent releases. Used to be that
>> people were forced to use Access for things when they hit the 65K row
>> limit in an Excel file. Now that bar is raised over a million rows so
>> the user community sticks with Excel for those things.
>>
>> Sorry you feel like we aren't living up to your expectations but we
>> are doing what we can.
>>
>>
>> GK
>



From dw-murphy at cox.net  Wed Jul 11 10:29:38 2012
From: dw-murphy at cox.net (Doug Murphy)
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2012 08:29:38 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Where to publish stuff
In-Reply-To: <sffd9308.092@cactus.dk>
References: <sffd9308.092@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <002e01cd5f79$fc213a50$f463aef0$@cox.net>

Gustav,

I like Code Project http://www.codeproject.com. I get a lot of great stuff
from the articles that are generously posted there.

Doug

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2012 5:51 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Where to publish stuff

Hi all

I'm currently coworking on a large project which for a moment holds me back
from Visual Studio and C# and forces me to dust off the Access stuff (and as
this A2010 many things are new to me).

This may generate a couple of spin-off articles but where to publish these?
I haven't actively searched Access stuff for the last five years, so I feel
a little lost.

Our own site seems not active in this area, DevX has ceased the database
area years ago, TechRepublic focus on the limited 10-steps-to-something,
UtterAccess seems to anonymise articles, Expert-Exchange requires a log-in,
DatabaseJournal doesn't cover Access, CodePlex is focusing on .Net, and so
on and so forth.

On top of this Susan (Harkins) - who seemed to be able to open any door -
has retired.

Any suggestions?

/gustav

-- 
AccessD mailing list
AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com


From davidmcafee at gmail.com  Wed Jul 11 10:58:53 2012
From: davidmcafee at gmail.com (David McAfee)
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2012 08:58:53 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Where to publish stuff
In-Reply-To: <002e01cd5f79$fc213a50$f463aef0$@cox.net>
References: <sffd9308.092@cactus.dk> <002e01cd5f79$fc213a50$f463aef0$@cox.net>
Message-ID: <CAMhYZWZRYs_3A4k8BT9WLNsEfS6ZXLKczFpSO_-qURo+uv=8Zw@mail.gmail.com>

Google?

On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 8:29 AM, Doug Murphy <dw-murphy at cox.net> wrote:

> Gustav,
>
> I like Code Project http://www.codeproject.com. I get a lot of great stuff
> from the articles that are generously posted there.
>
> Doug
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
> Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2012 5:51 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] Where to publish stuff
>
> Hi all
>
> I'm currently coworking on a large project which for a moment holds me back
> from Visual Studio and C# and forces me to dust off the Access stuff (and
> as
> this A2010 many things are new to me).
>
> This may generate a couple of spin-off articles but where to publish these?
> I haven't actively searched Access stuff for the last five years, so I feel
> a little lost.
>
> Our own site seems not active in this area, DevX has ceased the database
> area years ago, TechRepublic focus on the limited 10-steps-to-something,
> UtterAccess seems to anonymise articles, Expert-Exchange requires a log-in,
> DatabaseJournal doesn't cover Access, CodePlex is focusing on .Net, and so
> on and so forth.
>
> On top of this Susan (Harkins) - who seemed to be able to open any door -
> has retired.
>
> Any suggestions?
>
> /gustav
>
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>

From rusty.hammond at cpiqpc.com  Wed Jul 11 11:13:53 2012
From: rusty.hammond at cpiqpc.com (Rusty Hammond)
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2012 11:13:53 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Where to publish stuff
In-Reply-To: <CAMhYZWZRYs_3A4k8BT9WLNsEfS6ZXLKczFpSO_-qURo+uv=8Zw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <sffd9308.092@cactus.dk> <002e01cd5f79$fc213a50$f463aef0$@cox.net>
	<CAMhYZWZRYs_3A4k8BT9WLNsEfS6ZXLKczFpSO_-qURo+uv=8Zw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <49A286ABF515E94A8505CD14DEB721701744AB98@CPIEMAIL-EVS1.CPIQPC.NET>

How about linkedin?

Rusty 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of David McAfee
Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2012 10:59 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Where to publish stuff

Google?

On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 8:29 AM, Doug Murphy <dw-murphy at cox.net> wrote:

> Gustav,
>
> I like Code Project http://www.codeproject.com. I get a lot of great 
> stuff from the articles that are generously posted there.
>
> Doug
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav 
> Brock
> Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2012 5:51 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] Where to publish stuff
>
> Hi all
>
> I'm currently coworking on a large project which for a moment holds me

> back from Visual Studio and C# and forces me to dust off the Access 
> stuff (and as this A2010 many things are new to me).
>
> This may generate a couple of spin-off articles but where to publish
these?
> I haven't actively searched Access stuff for the last five years, so I

> feel a little lost.
>
> Our own site seems not active in this area, DevX has ceased the 
> database area years ago, TechRepublic focus on the limited 
> 10-steps-to-something, UtterAccess seems to anonymise articles, 
> Expert-Exchange requires a log-in, DatabaseJournal doesn't cover 
> Access, CodePlex is focusing on .Net, and so on and so forth.
>
> On top of this Susan (Harkins) - who seemed to be able to open any 
> door - has retired.
>
> Any suggestions?
>
> /gustav
>
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From davidmcafee at gmail.com  Wed Jul 11 11:22:40 2012
From: davidmcafee at gmail.com (David McAfee)
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2012 09:22:40 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Where to publish stuff
In-Reply-To: <002e01cd5f79$fc213a50$f463aef0$@cox.net>
References: <sffd9308.092@cactus.dk> <002e01cd5f79$fc213a50$f463aef0$@cox.net>
Message-ID: <CAMhYZWYT+fcvDa=7URQ=RGpjYrZXUXv_rCx3g1uTVcrpY3z0Cw@mail.gmail.com>

I also like code project.

What about creating your own blog?

RogersAccessLibrary has tons of samples, rather than articles, from people
on both Access-L and AccessD.


D

On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 8:29 AM, Doug Murphy <dw-murphy at cox.net> wrote:

> Gustav,
>
> I like Code Project http://www.codeproject.com. I get a lot of great stuff
> from the articles that are generously posted there.
>
> Doug
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
> Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2012 5:51 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] Where to publish stuff
>
> Hi all
>
> I'm currently coworking on a large project which for a moment holds me back
> from Visual Studio and C# and forces me to dust off the Access stuff (and
> as
> this A2010 many things are new to me).
>
> This may generate a couple of spin-off articles but where to publish these?
> I haven't actively searched Access stuff for the last five years, so I feel
> a little lost.
>
> Our own site seems not active in this area, DevX has ceased the database
> area years ago, TechRepublic focus on the limited 10-steps-to-something,
> UtterAccess seems to anonymise articles, Expert-Exchange requires a log-in,
> DatabaseJournal doesn't cover Access, CodePlex is focusing on .Net, and so
> on and so forth.
>
> On top of this Susan (Harkins) - who seemed to be able to open any door -
> has retired.
>
> Any suggestions?
>
> /gustav
>
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
> --
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>

From accessd at shaw.ca  Wed Jul 11 12:20:22 2012
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2012 10:20:22 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Svar: What to do? (was: Just Another Old Boys Club)
In-Reply-To: <sffd986d.094@cactus.dk>
References: <sffd986d.094@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <49204B3FF8F94811AFFAC7D5442E6F8F@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Hi Gustav:

I have been thinking of that for some time and made a number of related
proposals a few years back but nothing proceeded from there. It may be the
time to move forward though such an event would take a fair commitment.

We do have enough expertise here to put something in place.

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2012 6:14 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Svar: What to do? (was: Just Another Old Boys Club)

Hi all

The "No messages for 2 days" post reminded me of this thread 2 years ago.
Since then nothing has changed.

The main issue I see, is that mail lists are quite bad at attracting new
members. You cannot just drop in and see what's going on, nor can you attach
screenshots or code files, you can't even link to a message except if you
are able to find it in the archive.

The forum-style seems to me to be answer though I'm aware of the weak sides.
First of all some moderator time to keep spam and trolls out. Also the cost
to run it which forces some to include adds.

However, except for these thoughts, I have no "solution".
What do you think?

/gustav


>>> DWUTKA at marlow.com 08-07-10 23:56 >>>
Tony, I have to agree with Gary here.  There has been a lot of chit chat
on here, because the list has gotten much less help requests.  Not that
we don't get any.  We do.  I must admit I don't answer every question
posted on here, but that's not the intent of the list anyways.  I do
answer ones that I can readily answer.  Questions about Access 2007 and
soon 2010 are just not ones I can personally deal with, simply because I
don't use those.  I answer SQL stuff still, and the rare VBA question,
because I am still familiar with such things.

But Access is dying.  I think we all realize that.  It's like if we were
a Windows 9x forum...by now, the questions would have stopped flowing
completely. Access has changed, and new things have come to pass which
have sidelined mainstream Access development.  Access is a wonderful
tool, but it has seen it's better days.

Maybe Access will spark again, who knows.  

I'm posting this, however, to ask what you think we should do
differently?  Keep the list quiet, and discuss nothing but Access?  That
would just let the list die off right now.  We've debated things left
and right, not a lot to discuss anymore, we can only field the questions
that are asked, and in the middle of that, chit chat about other
technologies.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tony Septav
Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2010 3:55 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Just ANother Old Boys Club

My Friend
You insult me.
This is no longer a user group, no matter what you have to say.  This 
was  one of the most vibrant groups I have ever dealt with. A community 
willing to express their opions on every topic. It has gotten to be just

the old boys,  disussing topics of no relevance to ACCESS programmng.  I

think it is indicating a demise of the  Access community.


Gary Kjos wrote:

>And most of us have kind of moved on from straight Access Development
>like we did years ago. But we do still answer them when they are asked
>most of the time. You might have to wait a day or two sometimes.
>
>I kind of do take exception to your attempt to put some guilt on list
>members for not doing..... not sure what.
>
>I have a real job. I have a life. I give my time to the list as an
>administrator. I answer the questions when I can. I'm not sure what
>more you expect Tony. I think the number of new users of Access is
>probably a lot less than it used to be, especially as Excel has had
>it's limits raised over the most recent releases. Used to be that
>people were forced to use Access for things when they hit the 65K row
>limit in an Excel file. Now that bar is raised over a million rows so
>the user community sticks with Excel for those things.
>
>Sorry you feel like we aren't living up to your expectations but we
>are doing what we can.
>
>
>GK

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From accessd at shaw.ca  Wed Jul 11 12:45:08 2012
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2012 10:45:08 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Svar: What to do? (was: Just Another Old Boys Club)
In-Reply-To: <CAJ2R_p+z5hAcnO=_qxLhJ_t78cEXFq2mytNWXrQFCE-6DuCNwg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <sffd986d.094@cactus.dk>
	<CAJ2R_p+z5hAcnO=_qxLhJ_t78cEXFq2mytNWXrQFCE-6DuCNwg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <A86115E194A044D1BD32D1CBEDDA2245@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Yes, his knowledge with Access issues was stellar and his understanding of
the whole computer field was outstanding.

The truth is that knowledge of Access as a developer's package is
disappearing. There is no longer training in it and Access is moving from VB
to macros/cloud and not to .Net where it should be going. The industry is
also moving to the web in a big way and a lot of PC development is going
there.

I still do upgrades and support work for Access application but I have not
worked on a new Access site in about eight(?) years.

I do wish there was a web Access development platform as sophisticated as
Access was for the PC. There are a lot of frame-works out there but they all
have weaknesses in one area or another. 

I am sure at one point someone will complete a web application package with
the power and functionality of PC Access but not yet. To get a client's
attention you have to be able to diagram an app in a few hours before they
will commit to a large project. 

The bottom-line is we need to expand our lists to cover the new technologies
and improve the lists functionality.

Jim


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos
Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2012 7:37 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Svar: What to do? (was: Just Another Old Boys Club)

I miss Drew. May he Rest In Peace.

GK

On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 8:14 AM, Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:

> Hi all
>
> The "No messages for 2 days" post reminded me of this thread 2 years ago.
> Since then nothing has changed.
>
> The main issue I see, is that mail lists are quite bad at attracting new
> members. You cannot just drop in and see what's going on, nor can you
> attach screenshots or code files, you can't even link to a message except
> if you are able to find it in the archive.
>
> The forum-style seems to me to be answer though I'm aware of the weak
> sides. First of all some moderator time to keep spam and trolls out. Also
> the cost to run it which forces some to include adds.
>
> However, except for these thoughts, I have no "solution".
> What do you think?
>
> /gustav
>
>
> >>> DWUTKA at marlow.com 08-07-10 23:56 >>>
> Tony, I have to agree with Gary here.  There has been a lot of chit chat
> on here, because the list has gotten much less help requests.  Not that
> we don't get any.  We do.  I must admit I don't answer every question
> posted on here, but that's not the intent of the list anyways.  I do
> answer ones that I can readily answer.  Questions about Access 2007 and
> soon 2010 are just not ones I can personally deal with, simply because I
> don't use those.  I answer SQL stuff still, and the rare VBA question,
> because I am still familiar with such things.
>
> But Access is dying.  I think we all realize that.  It's like if we were
> a Windows 9x forum...by now, the questions would have stopped flowing
> completely. Access has changed, and new things have come to pass which
> have sidelined mainstream Access development.  Access is a wonderful
> tool, but it has seen it's better days.
>
> Maybe Access will spark again, who knows.
>
> I'm posting this, however, to ask what you think we should do
> differently?  Keep the list quiet, and discuss nothing but Access?  That
> would just let the list die off right now.  We've debated things left
> and right, not a lot to discuss anymore, we can only field the questions
> that are asked, and in the middle of that, chit chat about other
> technologies.
>
> Drew
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tony Septav
> Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2010 3:55 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Just ANother Old Boys Club
>
> My Friend
> You insult me.
> This is no longer a user group, no matter what you have to say.  This
> was  one of the most vibrant groups I have ever dealt with. A community
> willing to express their opions on every topic. It has gotten to be just
>
> the old boys,  disussing topics of no relevance to ACCESS programmng.  I
>
> think it is indicating a demise of the  Access community.
>
>
> Gary Kjos wrote:
>
> >And most of us have kind of moved on from straight Access Development
> >like we did years ago. But we do still answer them when they are asked
> >most of the time. You might have to wait a day or two sometimes.
> >
> >I kind of do take exception to your attempt to put some guilt on list
> >members for not doing..... not sure what.
> >
> >I have a real job. I have a life. I give my time to the list as an
> >administrator. I answer the questions when I can. I'm not sure what
> >more you expect Tony. I think the number of new users of Access is
> >probably a lot less than it used to be, especially as Excel has had
> >it's limits raised over the most recent releases. Used to be that
> >people were forced to use Access for things when they hit the 65K row
> >limit in an Excel file. Now that bar is raised over a million rows so
> >the user community sticks with Excel for those things.
> >
> >Sorry you feel like we aren't living up to your expectations but we
> >are doing what we can.
> >
> >
> >GK
>
> --
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> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>



-- 
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From tinanfields at torchlake.com  Wed Jul 11 13:59:26 2012
From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields)
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2012 14:59:26 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] No messages for 2 days ?
In-Reply-To: <4FFCDC9F.22391.19821E6E@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <4FED1EBE.8020301@colbyconsulting.com>,
	<0c0a01cd5efe$e1e640c0$a5b2c240$@activebilling.com.au>,
	<3FDF78F4548B4879926D9EBD1DD5F83D@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<4FFCDC9F.22391.19821E6E@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <4FFDCD0E.30702@torchlake.com>

Nice! :-)
T

Tina Norris Fields
tinanfields at torchlake.com
231-322-2787

On 7/10/2012 9:53 PM, Stuart McLachlan wrote:
> It all depends on how you look at it:
>
> http://flourish.org/upsidedownmap/hobodyer-large.jpg
>
> :-)
>



From ssharkins at gmail.com  Wed Jul 11 14:06:45 2012
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2012 15:06:45 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] No messages for 2 days ?
References: <4FED1EBE.8020301@colbyconsulting.com>,
	<0c0a01cd5efe$e1e640c0$a5b2c240$@activebilling.com.au>,
	<3FDF78F4548B4879926D9EBD1DD5F83D@creativesystemdesigns.com><4FFCDC9F.22391.19821E6E@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<4FFDCD0E.30702@torchlake.com>
Message-ID: <ED51D41ACBC7474F8B39062F5076BA1E@SusanHarkins>

Good thing that's not real or we'd all be standing on our heads! BTW, I 
don't think Stuart actually works... :)

Susan H.


> Nice! :-)
> T
>
> On 7/10/2012 9:53 PM, Stuart McLachlan wrote:
>> It all depends on how you look at it:
>>
>> http://flourish.org/upsidedownmap/hobodyer-large.jpg
>>
>> :-)


From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Wed Jul 11 14:15:40 2012
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2012 05:15:40 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] No messages for 2 days ?
In-Reply-To: <ED51D41ACBC7474F8B39062F5076BA1E@SusanHarkins>
References: <4FED1EBE.8020301@colbyconsulting.com>,
	<ED51D41ACBC7474F8B39062F5076BA1E@SusanHarkins>
Message-ID: <4FFDD0DC.29887.1D3C2ED6@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

No, I just run two businesses single handed. 

And the last couple of months I've been working almost full time on developing/ enhancing 
systems for the PNG Electoral Commission - we are in the middle of the 5 yearly National 
Parliamentary Elections again.

-- 
Stuart 

On 11 Jul 2012 at 15:06, Susan Harkins wrote:

> Good thing that's not real or we'd all be standing on our heads! BTW, I 
> don't think Stuart actually works... :)
> 
> Susan H.
> 
> 
> > Nice! :-)
> > T
> >
> > On 7/10/2012 9:53 PM, Stuart McLachlan wrote:
> >> It all depends on how you look at it:
> >>
> >> http://flourish.org/upsidedownmap/hobodyer-large.jpg
> >>
> >> :-)
> 
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> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 



From accessd at shaw.ca  Wed Jul 11 14:57:15 2012
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2012 12:57:15 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Svar: What to do? (was: Just Another Old Boys Club)
In-Reply-To: <CAH+Met8Z3qy3rk2baw40tXr4Ror2T7=k_rzUMgQ2fhduXk_U1A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <sffd986d.094@cactus.dk>
	<CAH+Met8Z3qy3rk2baw40tXr4Ror2T7=k_rzUMgQ2fhduXk_U1A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AA230C0B47624056850C6FF1BB7D0580@creativesystemdesigns.com>

There is a realization that the selling of applications is not the market
but the selling of services is. 

If you are in an urban setting and most people are, then the process
separates into two very distinct groups; the consumers and the producers,
that's us. Being in that urban setting predisposes your preferred interface
to an app that's web based.

Apple has made a business on building strictly consumer machines. I do not
know how much percentage that covers but I would bet it is about 80.
Microsoft wants to get into that lucrative market and is all in now. MS
knows the business market will do just fine using Win7, using their servers.


Businesses and governments are usually well behind the curve and are very
conservative. Most banks and governments are still using XP, Microsoft PC
Office. One government office announced they had just adopted IE7 and do not
trust JavaScript usage so the chances of them moving into the new service
era is almost zero. For the next fore-seeable future, in business, the PC
will remain king...probably for another ten to fifteen years.

I think there will always be plenty of work on the old systems. That is my
prediction.

Jim 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2012 7:45 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Svar: What to do? (was: Just Another Old Boys Club)

Facebook, maybe?

I saw the consumer demo of Windows 8 last night and kept wondering where it
left business clients.  If it looks like Android/Apple, behaves like them
and is as much of a toy, why bother with windows at all?  There's a huge
amount of collected wisdom in this group, and business clients actually
need our knowledge.  Unfortunately, Microsoft seems to have decided that
their future market belongs to social networks and not to businesses.  When
new PCs all come with Win8, people may have to resort to either not
upgrading or just using their smart phones.

Personally, I find the Android/Apple interface fine for smartphones, but I
don't like it on tablets and  I won't go there on PCs.  Guess that means
I'll have to stick with working for companies that live in the past.

Charlotte

On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 6:14 AM, Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:

> Hi all
>
> The "No messages for 2 days" post reminded me of this thread 2 years ago.
> Since then nothing has changed.
>
> The main issue I see, is that mail lists are quite bad at attracting new
> members. You cannot just drop in and see what's going on, nor can you
> attach screenshots or code files, you can't even link to a message except
> if you are able to find it in the archive.
>
> The forum-style seems to me to be answer though I'm aware of the weak
> sides. First of all some moderator time to keep spam and trolls out. Also
> the cost to run it which forces some to include adds.
>
> However, except for these thoughts, I have no "solution".
> What do you think?
>
> /gustav
> <snip>
>
>
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Wed Jul 11 16:14:17 2012
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2012 23:14:17 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Where to publish stuff
Message-ID: <sffe08e7.002@cactus.dk>

Hi Jim

Thanks, I wasn't aware of that.
One big advantage of EE is the lack of adds.

/gustav


>>> jimdettman at verizon.net 11-07-12 15:24 >>>
<<Expert-Exchange requires a log-in>>

 Just as an FYI, EE doesn't require a login to view articles. Quite a bit
has changed in the last couple of years. 

Jim.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2012 08:51 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Where to publish stuff

Hi all

I'm currently coworking on a large project which for a moment holds me back
from Visual Studio and C# and forces me to dust off the Access stuff (and as
this A2010 many things are new to me).

This may generate a couple of spin-off articles but where to publish these?
I haven't actively searched Access stuff for the last five years, so I feel
a little lost.

Our own site seems not active in this area, DevX has ceased the database
area years ago, TechRepublic focus on the limited 10-steps-to-something,
UtterAccess seems to anonymise articles, Expert-Exchange requires a log-in,
DatabaseJournal doesn't cover Access, CodePlex is focusing on .Net, and so
on and so forth.

On top of this Susan (Harkins) - who seemed to be able to open any door -
has retired.

Any suggestions?

/gustav


From gustav at cactus.dk  Wed Jul 11 16:21:11 2012
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2012 23:21:11 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Svar: What to do? (was: Just Another Old Boys	Club)
Message-ID: <sffe0a6e.003@cactus.dk>

Hi Charlotte

Wow! That was an alternative suggestion.

However, as many, I refrain from FB. I have only a lurker account (can't even recall the password) which I use when some important link reaches me once or twice a year.

Thus, I found out that an Access area does exist:

http://www.facebook.com/MicrosoftAccess

but, as you can see, it is mostly chit-chat related to Access as a part of Office and a replacement for Excel. Very little developer stuff.

/gustav


>>> charlotte.foust at gmail.com 11-07-12 16:45 >>>
Facebook, maybe?

I saw the consumer demo of Windows 8 last night and kept wondering where it
left business clients.  If it looks like Android/Apple, behaves like them
and is as much of a toy, why bother with windows at all?  There's a huge
amount of collected wisdom in this group, and business clients actually
need our knowledge.  Unfortunately, Microsoft seems to have decided that
their future market belongs to social networks and not to businesses.  When
new PCs all come with Win8, people may have to resort to either not
upgrading or just using their smart phones.

Personally, I find the Android/Apple interface fine for smartphones, but I
don't like it on tablets and  I won't go there on PCs.  Guess that means
I'll have to stick with working for companies that live in the past.

Charlotte

On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 6:14 AM, Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:

> Hi all
>
> The "No messages for 2 days" post reminded me of this thread 2 years ago.
> Since then nothing has changed.
>
> The main issue I see, is that mail lists are quite bad at attracting new
> members. You cannot just drop in and see what's going on, nor can you
> attach screenshots or code files, you can't even link to a message except
> if you are able to find it in the archive.
>
> The forum-style seems to me to be answer though I'm aware of the weak
> sides. First of all some moderator time to keep spam and trolls out. Also
> the cost to run it which forces some to include adds.
>
> However, except for these thoughts, I have no "solution".
> What do you think?
>
> /gustav



From gustav at cactus.dk  Wed Jul 11 16:23:25 2012
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2012 23:23:25 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Svar: What to do? (was: Just Another Old Boys	Club)
Message-ID: <sffe0b05.004@cactus.dk>

Hi John

So true. Perhaps the list will run until the second last member retires.

/gustav

>>> jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com 11-07-12 17:17 >>>
LOL, and all the "old boys" are another 2 years older.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it


On 7/11/2012 9:14 AM, Gustav Brock wrote:
> Hi all
>
> The "No messages for 2 days" post reminded me of this thread 2 years ago.
> Since then nothing has changed.
>
> The main issue I see, is that mail lists are quite bad at attracting new members. You cannot just drop in and see what's going on, nor can you attach screenshots or code files, you can't even link to a message except if you are able to find it in the archive.
>
> The forum-style seems to me to be answer though I'm aware of the weak sides. First of all some moderator time to keep spam and trolls out. Also the cost to run it which forces some to include adds.
>
> However, except for these thoughts, I have no "solution".
> What do you think?
>
> /gustav


From gustav at cactus.dk  Wed Jul 11 16:26:21 2012
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2012 23:26:21 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Where to publish stuff
Message-ID: <sffe0bb9.005@cactus.dk>

Hi Doug

Yes, that's one of my favourites and the site I actually meant when I wrote CodePlex (which is a host for open-source projects).

The material on the site related to Access is very limited.

/gustav


>>> dw-murphy at cox.net 11-07-12 17:29 >>>
Gustav,

I like Code Project http://www.codeproject.com. I get a lot of great stuff
from the articles that are generously posted there.

Doug

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2012 5:51 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Where to publish stuff

Hi all

I'm currently coworking on a large project which for a moment holds me back
from Visual Studio and C# and forces me to dust off the Access stuff (and as
this A2010 many things are new to me).

This may generate a couple of spin-off articles but where to publish these?
I haven't actively searched Access stuff for the last five years, so I feel
a little lost.

Our own site seems not active in this area, DevX has ceased the database
area years ago, TechRepublic focus on the limited 10-steps-to-something,
UtterAccess seems to anonymise articles, Expert-Exchange requires a log-in,
DatabaseJournal doesn't cover Access, CodePlex is focusing on .Net, and so
on and so forth.

On top of this Susan (Harkins) - who seemed to be able to open any door -
has retired.

Any suggestions?

/gustav


From gustav at cactus.dk  Wed Jul 11 16:28:00 2012
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2012 23:28:00 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Where to publish stuff
Message-ID: <sffe0c14.006@cactus.dk>

Hi David

Where at Google? Some group? Never thought of Google in this context.

/gustav


>>> davidmcafee at gmail.com 11-07-12 17:58 >>>
Google?

On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 8:29 AM, Doug Murphy <dw-murphy at cox.net> wrote:

> Gustav,
>
> I like Code Project http://www.codeproject.com. I get a lot of great stuff
> from the articles that are generously posted there.
>
> Doug
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
> Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2012 5:51 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] Where to publish stuff
>
> Hi all
>
> I'm currently coworking on a large project which for a moment holds me back
> from Visual Studio and C# and forces me to dust off the Access stuff (and
> as
> this A2010 many things are new to me).
>
> This may generate a couple of spin-off articles but where to publish these?
> I haven't actively searched Access stuff for the last five years, so I feel
> a little lost.
>
> Our own site seems not active in this area, DevX has ceased the database
> area years ago, TechRepublic focus on the limited 10-steps-to-something,
> UtterAccess seems to anonymise articles, Expert-Exchange requires a log-in,
> DatabaseJournal doesn't cover Access, CodePlex is focusing on .Net, and so
> on and so forth.
>
> On top of this Susan (Harkins) - who seemed to be able to open any door -
> has retired.
>
> Any suggestions?
>
> /gustav


From gustav at cactus.dk  Wed Jul 11 16:31:11 2012
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2012 23:31:11 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Svar: What to do? (was: Just Another Old Boys	Club)
Message-ID: <sffe0cc9.007@cactus.dk>

Hi Jim

We certainly do. But I think someone with amble spare time (and that is not me) would have to take the lead to obtain a constructive discussion and a realistic goal.

/gustav

>>> accessd at shaw.ca 11-07-12 19:20 >>>
Hi Gustav:

I have been thinking of that for some time and made a number of related
proposals a few years back but nothing proceeded from there. It may be the
time to move forward though such an event would take a fair commitment.

We do have enough expertise here to put something in place.

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2012 6:14 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Svar: What to do? (was: Just Another Old Boys Club)

Hi all

The "No messages for 2 days" post reminded me of this thread 2 years ago.
Since then nothing has changed.

The main issue I see, is that mail lists are quite bad at attracting new
members. You cannot just drop in and see what's going on, nor can you attach
screenshots or code files, you can't even link to a message except if you
are able to find it in the archive.

The forum-style seems to me to be answer though I'm aware of the weak sides.
First of all some moderator time to keep spam and trolls out. Also the cost
to run it which forces some to include adds.

However, except for these thoughts, I have no "solution".
What do you think?

/gustav


From davidmcafee at gmail.com  Wed Jul 11 16:28:05 2012
From: davidmcafee at gmail.com (David McAfee)
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2012 14:28:05 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Where to publish stuff
In-Reply-To: <sffe0c14.006@cactus.dk>
References: <sffe0c14.006@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <CAMhYZWZ8A0GGk4zcca2OYErwL4WhikcLA+Rosn_sXX6pV0CXiw@mail.gmail.com>

Google +, Blogspot, Google Scholar

Has anyone mentioned DevX or Stack Overflow?

D


On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 2:28 PM, Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:

> Hi David
>
> Where at Google? Some group? Never thought of Google in this context.
>
> /gustav
>
>
> >>> davidmcafee at gmail.com 11-07-12 17:58 >>>
> Google?
>
> On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 8:29 AM, Doug Murphy <dw-murphy at cox.net> wrote:
>
> > Gustav,
> >
> > I like Code Project http://www.codeproject.com. I get a lot of great
> stuff
> > from the articles that are generously posted there.
> >
> > Doug
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
> > Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2012 5:51 AM
> > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > Subject: [AccessD] Where to publish stuff
> >
> > Hi all
> >
> > I'm currently coworking on a large project which for a moment holds me
> back
> > from Visual Studio and C# and forces me to dust off the Access stuff (and
> > as
> > this A2010 many things are new to me).
> >
> > This may generate a couple of spin-off articles but where to publish
> these?
> > I haven't actively searched Access stuff for the last five years, so I
> feel
> > a little lost.
> >
> > Our own site seems not active in this area, DevX has ceased the database
> > area years ago, TechRepublic focus on the limited 10-steps-to-something,
> > UtterAccess seems to anonymise articles, Expert-Exchange requires a
> log-in,
> > DatabaseJournal doesn't cover Access, CodePlex is focusing on .Net, and
> so
> > on and so forth.
> >
> > On top of this Susan (Harkins) - who seemed to be able to open any door -
> > has retired.
> >
> > Any suggestions?
> >
> > /gustav
>
> --
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>

From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au  Wed Jul 11 18:13:38 2012
From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins)
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2012 23:13:38 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] No messages for 2 days ?
In-Reply-To: <4FFDD0DC.29887.1D3C2ED6@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <4FED1EBE.8020301@colbyconsulting.com>,
	<ED51D41ACBC7474F8B39062F5076BA1E@SusanHarkins>
	<4FFDD0DC.29887.1D3C2ED6@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B524FCC959@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>

Heh... the politics out your way have been rather, ummm, invigorating for the want of a better word, of late.  Lots of scandals, court challenges and, errr, weapons.  Be interesting work if nothing else...



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
Sent: Thursday, 12 July 2012 5:16 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] No messages for 2 days ?

No, I just run two businesses single handed. 

And the last couple of months I've been working almost full time on developing/ enhancing systems for the PNG Electoral Commission - we are in the middle of the 5 yearly National Parliamentary Elections again.

--
Stuart 

On 11 Jul 2012 at 15:06, Susan Harkins wrote:

> Good thing that's not real or we'd all be standing on our heads! BTW, 
> I don't think Stuart actually works... :)
> 
> Susan H.
> 
> 
> > Nice! :-)
> > T
> >
> > On 7/10/2012 9:53 PM, Stuart McLachlan wrote:
> >> It all depends on how you look at it:
> >>
> >> http://flourish.org/upsidedownmap/hobodyer-large.jpg
> >>
> >> :-)
> 
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> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 


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From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au  Wed Jul 11 18:18:05 2012
From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins)
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2012 23:18:05 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Svar: What to do? (was: Just Another Old Boys Club)
In-Reply-To: <AA230C0B47624056850C6FF1BB7D0580@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <sffd986d.094@cactus.dk>
	<CAH+Met8Z3qy3rk2baw40tXr4Ror2T7=k_rzUMgQ2fhduXk_U1A@mail.gmail.com>
	<AA230C0B47624056850C6FF1BB7D0580@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B524FCC969@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>

Agreed.  I get a bit puzzled myself - there are two markets for sure.  The consumer /domestic market where most folks want something 'that just works', don't care less about looking under the hood and really only use their devices for consuming media, services or information.  For these people the iPad / Windows 8 solution should be magic.  However for Business or those who develop or produce stuff off their systems this obsession with full sized apps, touch screens and swiping around to make things move really does seem a good solution....




-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Thursday, 12 July 2012 5:57 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Svar: What to do? (was: Just Another Old Boys Club)

There is a realization that the selling of applications is not the market but the selling of services is. 

If you are in an urban setting and most people are, then the process separates into two very distinct groups; the consumers and the producers, that's us. Being in that urban setting predisposes your preferred interface to an app that's web based.

Apple has made a business on building strictly consumer machines. I do not know how much percentage that covers but I would bet it is about 80.
Microsoft wants to get into that lucrative market and is all in now. MS knows the business market will do just fine using Win7, using their servers.


Businesses and governments are usually well behind the curve and are very conservative. Most banks and governments are still using XP, Microsoft PC Office. One government office announced they had just adopted IE7 and do not trust JavaScript usage so the chances of them moving into the new service era is almost zero. For the next fore-seeable future, in business, the PC will remain king...probably for another ten to fifteen years.

I think there will always be plenty of work on the old systems. That is my prediction.

Jim 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2012 7:45 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Svar: What to do? (was: Just Another Old Boys Club)

Facebook, maybe?

I saw the consumer demo of Windows 8 last night and kept wondering where it left business clients.  If it looks like Android/Apple, behaves like them and is as much of a toy, why bother with windows at all?  There's a huge amount of collected wisdom in this group, and business clients actually need our knowledge.  Unfortunately, Microsoft seems to have decided that their future market belongs to social networks and not to businesses.  When new PCs all come with Win8, people may have to resort to either not upgrading or just using their smart phones.

Personally, I find the Android/Apple interface fine for smartphones, but I don't like it on tablets and  I won't go there on PCs.  Guess that means I'll have to stick with working for companies that live in the past.

Charlotte

On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 6:14 AM, Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:

> Hi all
>
> The "No messages for 2 days" post reminded me of this thread 2 years ago.
> Since then nothing has changed.
>
> The main issue I see, is that mail lists are quite bad at attracting 
> new members. You cannot just drop in and see what's going on, nor can 
> you attach screenshots or code files, you can't even link to a message 
> except if you are able to find it in the archive.
>
> The forum-style seems to me to be answer though I'm aware of the weak 
> sides. First of all some moderator time to keep spam and trolls out. 
> Also the cost to run it which forces some to include adds.
>
> However, except for these thoughts, I have no "solution".
> What do you think?
>
> /gustav
> <snip>
>
>
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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Wed Jul 11 20:15:25 2012
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2012 21:15:25 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] No messages for 2 days ?
In-Reply-To: <ED51D41ACBC7474F8B39062F5076BA1E@SusanHarkins>
References: <4FED1EBE.8020301@colbyconsulting.com>
	<0c0a01cd5efe$e1e640c0$a5b2c240$@activebilling.com.au>
	<3FDF78F4548B4879926D9EBD1DD5F83D@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<4FFCDC9F.22391.19821E6E@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<4FFDCD0E.30702@torchlake.com>
	<ED51D41ACBC7474F8B39062F5076BA1E@SusanHarkins>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1gJNRykLwdRzTvHGMSbn=WSn8KfBQ5F9uPEqyiUg1AeNA@mail.gmail.com>

Gigs remain in Access. Granted, it takes work to find them, but they are
there to be found and exploited. Thumbnail = Government + NGO + Stodgy
Corps. That describes the fertile fields for Access apps.

I ween it unlikely that one can find a brand-new gig in Access, currently,
for two reasons:

1. The entire market is moving away from desktops and toward
tablets/webs/phones; Desktop apps are an afterthought, currently.

2. The developer-tool of choice would render almost transparent the
distinction between phone and tab and desktop apps, allowing us developers
to design once and deploy many  times on many platforms. The only Dev Tool
I can think of that does this is Alpha Five v.11+.

I own no shares in said company (it's privately held), and have no vested
interest in the success or failure of Alpha Five. I love their deliverables
and I am prepared to make a serious commitment to the A5 vision of how
these things ought to work.

These guys are Good at what they do. I'm still learning their offering, but
so far I am totally Wowed by it. I've been converting a few aged Access
apps to webified A5v11 apps, and so far, everything is working out. I've
yet to complete a single one, but the ease of transition is truly
remarkable.

-- 
Arthur
Cell: 647.710.1314

If real is what you can feel, smell, taste and see, then 'real' is simply
electrical signals interpreted by your brain.

   - Morpheus, in The Matrix.

From ssharkins at gmail.com  Wed Jul 11 20:31:25 2012
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2012 21:31:25 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] No messages for 2 days ?
References: <4FED1EBE.8020301@colbyconsulting.com><0c0a01cd5efe$e1e640c0$a5b2c240$@activebilling.com.au><3FDF78F4548B4879926D9EBD1DD5F83D@creativesystemdesigns.com><4FFCDC9F.22391.19821E6E@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg><4FFDCD0E.30702@torchlake.com><ED51D41ACBC7474F8B39062F5076BA1E@SusanHarkins>
	<CAEPJO1gJNRykLwdRzTvHGMSbn=WSn8KfBQ5F9uPEqyiUg1AeNA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4C9C7E7E343F4C04B1FFCC30442A5841@SusanHarkins>

I don't recommend writing books anymore for the money, but you might have a 
decent book idea there Arthur -- converting desktop apps to Alpha Five... 
just a thought.

Susan H.
> These guys are Good at what they do. I'm still learning their offering, 
> but
> so far I am totally Wowed by it. I've been converting a few aged Access
> apps to webified A5v11 apps, and so far, everything is working out. I've
> yet to complete a single one, but the ease of transition is truly
> remarkable.
>


From charlotte.foust at gmail.com  Wed Jul 11 21:13:02 2012
From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2012 19:13:02 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Svar: What to do? (was: Just Another Old Boys Club)
In-Reply-To: <49204B3FF8F94811AFFAC7D5442E6F8F@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <sffd986d.094@cactus.dk>
	<49204B3FF8F94811AFFAC7D5442E6F8F@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <CAH+Met_+VwUFFmYVs3Vds9dQXvyOeGgUHO1hiLUk1BMQCBZkRw@mail.gmail.com>

The Ex-Admins from Windows Secrets Lounge, nee Woody's Lounge, did that and
created Eileen's Lounge.  It runs on a host in the UK, the PPHbb is
maintained from New Jersey, and most of the admin/moderation is done by 4
guys in the UK (2), Australia (1), and the Netherlands (1 with 12
fingers!). I'm a gray emminence there these days, but I drop in
occassionally.

But seriously, moving to Facebook or Google Plus or some other social
network, or to WordPress, would be a viable alternative for a broader
spectrum list without the heavy duty overhead.  It would still involve a
certain amount of admin and moderation, but that could be handled using the
available tools in the host format.  It might be a way to get a search
function that actually finds stuff too!  There would have to be a plan to
manage downloads (and moderation and limits on uploads), but if it were
sharing problems we've solved, or neat tricks with demos, etc., I think it
would attract some of the people who enjoy dragging colored rectangles
around on their tablets as well as mossybacks like us.  Have you tried to
find help on Access lately?  I'm glad I still have my library to fall back
on.

Charlotte
On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 10:20 AM, Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:

> Hi Gustav:
>
> I have been thinking of that for some time and made a number of related
> proposals a few years back but nothing proceeded from there. It may be the
> time to move forward though such an event would take a fair commitment.
>
> We do have enough expertise here to put something in place.
>
> Jim
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
> Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2012 6:14 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] Svar: What to do? (was: Just Another Old Boys Club)
>
> Hi all
>
> The "No messages for 2 days" post reminded me of this thread 2 years ago.
> Since then nothing has changed.
>
> The main issue I see, is that mail lists are quite bad at attracting new
> members. You cannot just drop in and see what's going on, nor can you
> attach
> screenshots or code files, you can't even link to a message except if you
> are able to find it in the archive.
>
> The forum-style seems to me to be answer though I'm aware of the weak
> sides.
> First of all some moderator time to keep spam and trolls out. Also the cost
> to run it which forces some to include adds.
>
> However, except for these thoughts, I have no "solution".
> What do you think?
>
> /gustav
>
>
>

From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Wed Jul 11 23:07:17 2012
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2012 00:07:17 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] No messages for 2 days ?
In-Reply-To: <4C9C7E7E343F4C04B1FFCC30442A5841@SusanHarkins>
References: <4FED1EBE.8020301@colbyconsulting.com>
	<0c0a01cd5efe$e1e640c0$a5b2c240$@activebilling.com.au>
	<3FDF78F4548B4879926D9EBD1DD5F83D@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<4FFCDC9F.22391.19821E6E@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<4FFDCD0E.30702@torchlake.com>
	<ED51D41ACBC7474F8B39062F5076BA1E@SusanHarkins>
	<CAEPJO1gJNRykLwdRzTvHGMSbn=WSn8KfBQ5F9uPEqyiUg1AeNA@mail.gmail.com>
	<4C9C7E7E343F4C04B1FFCC30442A5841@SusanHarkins>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1i5BhZ-NV7Xw0-OfWk=kHKq-TfifWxN_B9tJvrqFkOiFA@mail.gmail.com>

Already on it, Susan. In fact, I have an inside track on this, but I'm
under an NDA so cannot say much more, other than a tool is in the works
that promises to convert Access forms to their A5 equivalents.

I really love A5 and I think it's the way to go for us Access Developers
that have been ditched by MS.

As to your wisdom on the writing of books, I'm quite prepared to donate any
and all future contributions to the Public Domain. This is made possible
due to a) my willingness to Give Back and b) the Canadian Pension Plan
(CPP). I didn't save enough or plan well enough, but I shall survive,
somehow. No trips to Paris or Barcelona or Mumbai on the horizon, and that
is sad, but I shall survive.

A.

On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 9:31 PM, Susan Harkins <ssharkins at gmail.com> wrote:

> I don't recommend writing books anymore for the money, but you might have
> a decent book idea there Arthur -- converting desktop apps to Alpha Five...
> just a thought.
>
> Susan H.
>
>
>>

From gustav at cactus.dk  Thu Jul 12 02:41:34 2012
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2012 09:41:34 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Svar: What to do? (was: Just Another Old Boys	Club)
Message-ID: <sffe9bd8.011@cactus.dk>

Hi Darryl

The great thing with Windows 8 is that you have both worlds: The desktop which business and "the old boys" will continue to use for years, and the Metro interface which is superior to other "pad" interfaces. And - when you need it - you can switch between with a single keystroke/mouseclick.

/gustav


>>> darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au 12-07-12 1:18 >>>
Agreed.  I get a bit puzzled myself - there are two markets for sure.  The consumer /domestic market where most folks want something 'that just works', don't care less about looking under the hood and really only use their devices for consuming media, services or information.  For these people the iPad / Windows 8 solution should be magic.  However for Business or those who develop or produce stuff off their systems this obsession with full sized apps, touch screens and swiping around to make things move really does seem a good solution....




-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Thursday, 12 July 2012 5:57 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Svar: What to do? (was: Just Another Old Boys Club)

There is a realization that the selling of applications is not the market but the selling of services is. 

If you are in an urban setting and most people are, then the process separates into two very distinct groups; the consumers and the producers, that's us. Being in that urban setting predisposes your preferred interface to an app that's web based.

Apple has made a business on building strictly consumer machines. I do not know how much percentage that covers but I would bet it is about 80.
Microsoft wants to get into that lucrative market and is all in now. MS knows the business market will do just fine using Win7, using their servers.


Businesses and governments are usually well behind the curve and are very conservative. Most banks and governments are still using XP, Microsoft PC Office. One government office announced they had just adopted IE7 and do not trust JavaScript usage so the chances of them moving into the new service era is almost zero. For the next fore-seeable future, in business, the PC will remain king...probably for another ten to fifteen years.

I think there will always be plenty of work on the old systems. That is my prediction.

Jim 


From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Thu Jul 12 02:42:33 2012
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2012 17:42:33 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Svar: What to do? (was: Just Another Old Boys Club)
In-Reply-To: <sffe9bd8.011@cactus.dk>
References: <sffe9bd8.011@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <4FFE7FE9.28606.1FE7F80B@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

As the man with the wooden leg said - "That's a matter of a pinion."

-- 
Stuart

On 12 Jul 2012 at 9:41, Gustav Brock wrote:

> years, and the Metro interface which is superior to other "pad"
> interfaces. 


From gustav at cactus.dk  Thu Jul 12 04:37:15 2012
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2012 11:37:15 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Where to publish stuff
Message-ID: <sffeb712.014@cactus.dk>

Hi David

Hmm ... thanks, but:

Google+ seems like "just another social media" without any focus.
Blogspot seems like a mess will all sorts of inputs related to Google only.
Google Scholar is some sort of search engine.

Or am I missing something?

/gustav


>>> davidmcafee at gmail.com 11-07-12 23:28 >>>
Google +, Blogspot, Google Scholar

Has anyone mentioned DevX or Stack Overflow?

D


On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 2:28 PM, Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:

> Hi David
>
> Where at Google? Some group? Never thought of Google in this context.
>
> /gustav
>
>
> >>> davidmcafee at gmail.com 11-07-12 17:58 >>>
> Google?
>
> On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 8:29 AM, Doug Murphy <dw-murphy at cox.net> wrote:
>
> > Gustav,
> >
> > I like Code Project http://www.codeproject.com. I get a lot of great stuff
> > from the articles that are generously posted there.
> >
> > Doug
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
> > Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2012 5:51 AM
> > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > Subject: [AccessD] Where to publish stuff
> >
> > Hi all
> >
> > I'm currently coworking on a large project which for a moment holds me back
> > from Visual Studio and C# and forces me to dust off the Access stuff (and
> > as
> > this A2010 many things are new to me).
> >
> > This may generate a couple of spin-off articles but where to publish these?
> > I haven't actively searched Access stuff for the last five years, so I feel
> > a little lost.
> >
> > Our own site seems not active in this area, DevX has ceased the database
> > area years ago, TechRepublic focus on the limited 10-steps-to-something,
> > UtterAccess seems to anonymise articles, Expert-Exchange requires a log-in,
> > DatabaseJournal doesn't cover Access, CodePlex is focusing on .Net, and so
> > on and so forth.
> >
> > On top of this Susan (Harkins) - who seemed to be able to open any door -
> > has retired.
> >
> > Any suggestions?
> >
> > /gustav


From ssharkins at gmail.com  Thu Jul 12 05:33:25 2012
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2012 06:33:25 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] No messages for 2 days ?
References: <4FED1EBE.8020301@colbyconsulting.com><0c0a01cd5efe$e1e640c0$a5b2c240$@activebilling.com.au><3FDF78F4548B4879926D9EBD1DD5F83D@creativesystemdesigns.com><4FFCDC9F.22391.19821E6E@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg><4FFDCD0E.30702@torchlake.com><ED51D41ACBC7474F8B39062F5076BA1E@SusanHarkins><CAEPJO1gJNRykLwdRzTvHGMSbn=WSn8KfBQ5F9uPEqyiUg1AeNA@mail.gmail.com><4C9C7E7E343F4C04B1FFCC30442A5841@SusanHarkins>
	<CAEPJO1i5BhZ-NV7Xw0-OfWk=kHKq-TfifWxN_B9tJvrqFkOiFA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <80F1026594994EB4BDD1DECE3392A0AC@SusanHarkins>

> Already on it, Susan. In fact, I have an inside track on this, but I'm
> under an NDA so cannot say much more, other than a tool is in the works
> that promises to convert Access forms to their A5 equivalents.

=========Well, if you're under NDA, you probably already have a contract,
but if you don't, and you'd like to pitch the idea to another publisher, let 
me know.

Susan H.


From jimdettman at verizon.net  Thu Jul 12 08:30:43 2012
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2012 09:30:43 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] No messages for 2 days ?
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1i5BhZ-NV7Xw0-OfWk=kHKq-TfifWxN_B9tJvrqFkOiFA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4FED1EBE.8020301@colbyconsulting.com>
	<0c0a01cd5efe$e1e640c0$a5b2c240$@activebilling.com.au>
	<3FDF78F4548B4879926D9EBD1DD5F83D@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<4FFCDC9F.22391.19821E6E@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<4FFDCD0E.30702@torchlake.com>	<ED51D41ACBC7474F8B39062F5076BA1E@SusanHarkins>
	<CAEPJO1gJNRykLwdRzTvHGMSbn=WSn8KfBQ5F9uPEqyiUg1AeNA@mail.gmail.com>
	<4C9C7E7E343F4C04B1FFCC30442A5841@SusanHarkins>
	<CAEPJO1i5BhZ-NV7Xw0-OfWk=kHKq-TfifWxN_B9tJvrqFkOiFA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <E4A46F6A469E41678DC49EC7BF8212F4@XPS>

Arthur,

  But here's the thing and to me it's the biggest rub of all; none of you
code logic is portable.

  Even with Alpha 5, for which I just downloaded the whitepaper and ran
though, talks about nothing more then moving *data* to the web.  It doesn't
address anything with your VBA logic.  Maybe I'm missing the point in
getting to the web and it just works differently, but from a client's
perspective, when they have 10+ years of development in an app and the logic
it contains, the last thing they want to hear is "re-write".

  Everything I've seen so far in regards to Access whether Alpha 5 or
Microsoft is never anything more then CRUD operations; to me, that's not an
"app"

  Given that n-tier design has never been doable with Access, there may
never be a solution to that, but that's what clients want; be able to take a
DB as is and without significant effort, move it to the web.

  I don't see that in Alpha 5.

Jim.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2012 12:07 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] No messages for 2 days ?

Already on it, Susan. In fact, I have an inside track on this, but I'm
under an NDA so cannot say much more, other than a tool is in the works
that promises to convert Access forms to their A5 equivalents.

I really love A5 and I think it's the way to go for us Access Developers
that have been ditched by MS.

As to your wisdom on the writing of books, I'm quite prepared to donate any
and all future contributions to the Public Domain. This is made possible
due to a) my willingness to Give Back and b) the Canadian Pension Plan
(CPP). I didn't save enough or plan well enough, but I shall survive,
somehow. No trips to Paris or Barcelona or Mumbai on the horizon, and that
is sad, but I shall survive.

A.

On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 9:31 PM, Susan Harkins <ssharkins at gmail.com> wrote:

> I don't recommend writing books anymore for the money, but you might have
> a decent book idea there Arthur -- converting desktop apps to Alpha
Five...
> just a thought.
>
> Susan H.
>
>
>>
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From rusty.hammond at cpiqpc.com  Thu Jul 12 09:21:09 2012
From: rusty.hammond at cpiqpc.com (Rusty Hammond)
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2012 09:21:09 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Svar: What to do? (was: Just Another Old Boys	Club)
In-Reply-To: <sffe9bd8.011@cactus.dk>
References: <sffe9bd8.011@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <49A286ABF515E94A8505CD14DEB721701744ABA2@CPIEMAIL-EVS1.CPIQPC.NET>

Anyone looking forward to the upcoming new Microsoft Surface tablet that
will run Windows 8 thus the ability to run Access on a tablet?

Rusty


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2012 2:42 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Svar: What to do? (was: Just Another Old Boys
Club)

Hi Darryl

The great thing with Windows 8 is that you have both worlds: The desktop
which business and "the old boys" will continue to use for years, and
the Metro interface which is superior to other "pad" interfaces. And -
when you need it - you can switch between with a single
keystroke/mouseclick.

/gustav


>>> darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au 12-07-12 1:18 >>>
Agreed.  I get a bit puzzled myself - there are two markets for sure.
The consumer /domestic market where most folks want something 'that just
works', don't care less about looking under the hood and really only use
their devices for consuming media, services or information.  For these
people the iPad / Windows 8 solution should be magic.  However for
Business or those who develop or produce stuff off their systems this
obsession with full sized apps, touch screens and swiping around to make
things move really does seem a good solution....




-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Thursday, 12 July 2012 5:57 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Svar: What to do? (was: Just Another Old Boys
Club)

There is a realization that the selling of applications is not the
market but the selling of services is. 

If you are in an urban setting and most people are, then the process
separates into two very distinct groups; the consumers and the
producers, that's us. Being in that urban setting predisposes your
preferred interface to an app that's web based.

Apple has made a business on building strictly consumer machines. I do
not know how much percentage that covers but I would bet it is about 80.
Microsoft wants to get into that lucrative market and is all in now. MS
knows the business market will do just fine using Win7, using their
servers.


Businesses and governments are usually well behind the curve and are
very conservative. Most banks and governments are still using XP,
Microsoft PC Office. One government office announced they had just
adopted IE7 and do not trust JavaScript usage so the chances of them
moving into the new service era is almost zero. For the next
fore-seeable future, in business, the PC will remain king...probably for
another ten to fifteen years.

I think there will always be plenty of work on the old systems. That is
my prediction.

Jim 

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From rusty.hammond at cpiqpc.com  Thu Jul 12 09:24:12 2012
From: rusty.hammond at cpiqpc.com (Rusty Hammond)
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2012 09:24:12 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Where to publish stuff
In-Reply-To: <sffeb712.014@cactus.dk>
References: <sffeb712.014@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <49A286ABF515E94A8505CD14DEB721701744ABA3@CPIEMAIL-EVS1.CPIQPC.NET>

Anyone else using LinkedIn?  I'm subscribed to an Access group there and
it seems to work pretty well for this kind of stuff.  Ability to assign
moderators, comments posted to each question, ability to search, etc...
It's like facebook but for business and without all the junk that comes
with facebook (games, etc...).

Just a thought.

Rusty 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2012 4:37 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Where to publish stuff

Hi David

Hmm ... thanks, but:

Google+ seems like "just another social media" without any focus.
Blogspot seems like a mess will all sorts of inputs related to Google
only.
Google Scholar is some sort of search engine.

Or am I missing something?

/gustav


>>> davidmcafee at gmail.com 11-07-12 23:28 >>>
Google +, Blogspot, Google Scholar

Has anyone mentioned DevX or Stack Overflow?

D


On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 2:28 PM, Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:

> Hi David
>
> Where at Google? Some group? Never thought of Google in this context.
>
> /gustav
>
>
> >>> davidmcafee at gmail.com 11-07-12 17:58 >>>
> Google?
>
> On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 8:29 AM, Doug Murphy <dw-murphy at cox.net>
wrote:
>
> > Gustav,
> >
> > I like Code Project http://www.codeproject.com. I get a lot of great

> > stuff from the articles that are generously posted there.
> >
> > Doug
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav 
> > Brock
> > Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2012 5:51 AM
> > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > Subject: [AccessD] Where to publish stuff
> >
> > Hi all
> >
> > I'm currently coworking on a large project which for a moment holds 
> > me back from Visual Studio and C# and forces me to dust off the 
> > Access stuff (and as this A2010 many things are new to me).
> >
> > This may generate a couple of spin-off articles but where to publish
these?
> > I haven't actively searched Access stuff for the last five years, so

> > I feel a little lost.
> >
> > Our own site seems not active in this area, DevX has ceased the 
> > database area years ago, TechRepublic focus on the limited 
> > 10-steps-to-something, UtterAccess seems to anonymise articles, 
> > Expert-Exchange requires a log-in, DatabaseJournal doesn't cover 
> > Access, CodePlex is focusing on .Net, and so on and so forth.
> >
> > On top of this Susan (Harkins) - who seemed to be able to open any 
> > door - has retired.
> >
> > Any suggestions?
> >
> > /gustav

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From accessd at shaw.ca  Thu Jul 12 09:30:29 2012
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2012 07:30:29 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Svar: What to do? (was: Just Another Old Boys	Club)
In-Reply-To: <sffe9bd8.011@cactus.dk>
References: <sffe9bd8.011@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <BB4B10D0C6814EA1A84CD36CA6D513A5@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Hi Gustav:

Maybe at your end of the country the businesses are a little more
progressive but here these guys are ultra conservative. Most have not even
moved off XP (sad), some that have are using Win7 but only in specific
places and even if Win8 was another XP clone it would take at least five
years for management to take the package seriously. Some managers have moved
to an Apple product; like owning BMW. Unfortunately, Apple stations are
priced out of the market and there still are very few people who can fix
them.

The one thing that Win8 has going for it is that its new price-point looks
very good...it is about time, as Linux is poised to scoop the desktop
market...but what sort of hardware will be the realist minimum? 

Jim  

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2012 12:42 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Svar: What to do? (was: Just Another Old Boys Club)

Hi Darryl

The great thing with Windows 8 is that you have both worlds: The desktop
which business and "the old boys" will continue to use for years, and the
Metro interface which is superior to other "pad" interfaces. And - when you
need it - you can switch between with a single keystroke/mouseclick.

/gustav


>>> darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au 12-07-12 1:18 >>>
Agreed.  I get a bit puzzled myself - there are two markets for sure.  The
consumer /domestic market where most folks want something 'that just works',
don't care less about looking under the hood and really only use their
devices for consuming media, services or information.  For these people the
iPad / Windows 8 solution should be magic.  However for Business or those
who develop or produce stuff off their systems this obsession with full
sized apps, touch screens and swiping around to make things move really does
seem a good solution....




-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Thursday, 12 July 2012 5:57 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Svar: What to do? (was: Just Another Old Boys Club)

There is a realization that the selling of applications is not the market
but the selling of services is. 

If you are in an urban setting and most people are, then the process
separates into two very distinct groups; the consumers and the producers,
that's us. Being in that urban setting predisposes your preferred interface
to an app that's web based.

Apple has made a business on building strictly consumer machines. I do not
know how much percentage that covers but I would bet it is about 80.
Microsoft wants to get into that lucrative market and is all in now. MS
knows the business market will do just fine using Win7, using their servers.


Businesses and governments are usually well behind the curve and are very
conservative. Most banks and governments are still using XP, Microsoft PC
Office. One government office announced they had just adopted IE7 and do not
trust JavaScript usage so the chances of them moving into the new service
era is almost zero. For the next fore-seeable future, in business, the PC
will remain king...probably for another ten to fifteen years.

I think there will always be plenty of work on the old systems. That is my
prediction.

Jim 

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From accessd at shaw.ca  Thu Jul 12 09:34:47 2012
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2012 07:34:47 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Where to publish stuff
In-Reply-To: <49A286ABF515E94A8505CD14DEB721701744ABA3@CPIEMAIL-EVS1.CPIQPC.NET>
References: <sffeb712.014@cactus.dk>
	<49A286ABF515E94A8505CD14DEB721701744ABA3@CPIEMAIL-EVS1.CPIQPC.NET>
Message-ID: <988DC62BE5A14BAFA8B859664A7B4D2A@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Hi Rusty:

I think you have hit on the best option of the bunch. Does LinkedIn have the
ability to define nearly autonomous groups defined by subjects and login?
 
Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rusty Hammond
Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2012 7:24 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Where to publish stuff

Anyone else using LinkedIn?  I'm subscribed to an Access group there and
it seems to work pretty well for this kind of stuff.  Ability to assign
moderators, comments posted to each question, ability to search, etc...
It's like facebook but for business and without all the junk that comes
with facebook (games, etc...).

Just a thought.

Rusty 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2012 4:37 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Where to publish stuff

Hi David

Hmm ... thanks, but:

Google+ seems like "just another social media" without any focus.
Blogspot seems like a mess will all sorts of inputs related to Google
only.
Google Scholar is some sort of search engine.

Or am I missing something?

/gustav


>>> davidmcafee at gmail.com 11-07-12 23:28 >>>
Google +, Blogspot, Google Scholar

Has anyone mentioned DevX or Stack Overflow?

D


On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 2:28 PM, Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:

> Hi David
>
> Where at Google? Some group? Never thought of Google in this context.
>
> /gustav
>
>
> >>> davidmcafee at gmail.com 11-07-12 17:58 >>>
> Google?
>
> On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 8:29 AM, Doug Murphy <dw-murphy at cox.net>
wrote:
>
> > Gustav,
> >
> > I like Code Project http://www.codeproject.com. I get a lot of great

> > stuff from the articles that are generously posted there.
> >
> > Doug
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav 
> > Brock
> > Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2012 5:51 AM
> > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > Subject: [AccessD] Where to publish stuff
> >
> > Hi all
> >
> > I'm currently coworking on a large project which for a moment holds 
> > me back from Visual Studio and C# and forces me to dust off the 
> > Access stuff (and as this A2010 many things are new to me).
> >
> > This may generate a couple of spin-off articles but where to publish
these?
> > I haven't actively searched Access stuff for the last five years, so

> > I feel a little lost.
> >
> > Our own site seems not active in this area, DevX has ceased the 
> > database area years ago, TechRepublic focus on the limited 
> > 10-steps-to-something, UtterAccess seems to anonymise articles, 
> > Expert-Exchange requires a log-in, DatabaseJournal doesn't cover 
> > Access, CodePlex is focusing on .Net, and so on and so forth.
> >
> > On top of this Susan (Harkins) - who seemed to be able to open any 
> > door - has retired.
> >
> > Any suggestions?
> >
> > /gustav

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From rusty.hammond at cpiqpc.com  Thu Jul 12 09:50:17 2012
From: rusty.hammond at cpiqpc.com (Rusty Hammond)
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2012 09:50:17 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Where to publish stuff
In-Reply-To: <988DC62BE5A14BAFA8B859664A7B4D2A@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <sffeb712.014@cactus.dk><49A286ABF515E94A8505CD14DEB721701744ABA3@CPIEMAIL-EVS1.CPIQPC.NET>
	<988DC62BE5A14BAFA8B859664A7B4D2A@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <49A286ABF515E94A8505CD14DEB721701744ABA4@CPIEMAIL-EVS1.CPIQPC.NET>

Nearly autonomous and defined by subject, yes.  You create an account on
LinkedIn, then subscribe to whatever groups you want.  An AccessD or
DatabaseAdvisors group would have to be setup and LinkedIn users would
subscribe to that group.  The moderators can decide whether to allow
anyone to join or they may choose to review any requests to join and
allow or disallow as they see fit.  For the Access group I've joined,
they are fairly rigid in making sure you are serious about Access
development before allowing you into the group.  I had to update my
profile to include my level of experience and/or interest in Access
before I was allowed to join.

Rusty 


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2012 9:35 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Where to publish stuff

Hi Rusty:

I think you have hit on the best option of the bunch. Does LinkedIn have
the ability to define nearly autonomous groups defined by subjects and
login?
 
Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rusty Hammond
Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2012 7:24 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Where to publish stuff

Anyone else using LinkedIn?  I'm subscribed to an Access group there and
it seems to work pretty well for this kind of stuff.  Ability to assign
moderators, comments posted to each question, ability to search, etc...
It's like facebook but for business and without all the junk that comes
with facebook (games, etc...).

Just a thought.

Rusty 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2012 4:37 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Where to publish stuff

Hi David

Hmm ... thanks, but:

Google+ seems like "just another social media" without any focus.
Blogspot seems like a mess will all sorts of inputs related to Google
only.
Google Scholar is some sort of search engine.

Or am I missing something?

/gustav


>>> davidmcafee at gmail.com 11-07-12 23:28 >>>
Google +, Blogspot, Google Scholar

Has anyone mentioned DevX or Stack Overflow?

D


On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 2:28 PM, Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:

> Hi David
>
> Where at Google? Some group? Never thought of Google in this context.
>
> /gustav
>
>
> >>> davidmcafee at gmail.com 11-07-12 17:58 >>>
> Google?
>
> On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 8:29 AM, Doug Murphy <dw-murphy at cox.net>
wrote:
>
> > Gustav,
> >
> > I like Code Project http://www.codeproject.com. I get a lot of great

> > stuff from the articles that are generously posted there.
> >
> > Doug
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav 
> > Brock
> > Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2012 5:51 AM
> > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > Subject: [AccessD] Where to publish stuff
> >
> > Hi all
> >
> > I'm currently coworking on a large project which for a moment holds 
> > me back from Visual Studio and C# and forces me to dust off the 
> > Access stuff (and as this A2010 many things are new to me).
> >
> > This may generate a couple of spin-off articles but where to publish
these?
> > I haven't actively searched Access stuff for the last five years, so

> > I feel a little lost.
> >
> > Our own site seems not active in this area, DevX has ceased the 
> > database area years ago, TechRepublic focus on the limited 
> > 10-steps-to-something, UtterAccess seems to anonymise articles, 
> > Expert-Exchange requires a log-in, DatabaseJournal doesn't cover 
> > Access, CodePlex is focusing on .Net, and so on and so forth.
> >
> > On top of this Susan (Harkins) - who seemed to be able to open any 
> > door - has retired.
> >
> > Any suggestions?
> >
> > /gustav

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From rusty.hammond at cpiqpc.com  Thu Jul 12 09:53:25 2012
From: rusty.hammond at cpiqpc.com (Rusty Hammond)
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2012 09:53:25 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Where to publish stuff
In-Reply-To: <49A286ABF515E94A8505CD14DEB721701744ABA4@CPIEMAIL-EVS1.CPIQPC.NET>
References: <sffeb712.014@cactus.dk><49A286ABF515E94A8505CD14DEB721701744ABA3@CPIEMAIL-EVS1.CPIQPC.NET>
	<988DC62BE5A14BAFA8B859664A7B4D2A@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<49A286ABF515E94A8505CD14DEB721701744ABA4@CPIEMAIL-EVS1.CPIQPC.NET>
Message-ID: <49A286ABF515E94A8505CD14DEB721701744ABA5@CPIEMAIL-EVS1.CPIQPC.NET>

 
Forgot to add, another feature I kind of like is a daily e-mail from
linkedin for each group I'm in.  It gives a list of the most active
conversations in the group and hyperlinks to them.  You have the ability
to turn these e-mails off if you don't want them.

Rusty


-----Original Message-----
From: Rusty Hammond 
Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2012 9:50 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Where to publish stuff

Nearly autonomous and defined by subject, yes.  You create an account on
LinkedIn, then subscribe to whatever groups you want.  An AccessD or
DatabaseAdvisors group would have to be setup and LinkedIn users would
subscribe to that group.  The moderators can decide whether to allow
anyone to join or they may choose to review any requests to join and
allow or disallow as they see fit.  For the Access group I've joined,
they are fairly rigid in making sure you are serious about Access
development before allowing you into the group.  I had to update my
profile to include my level of experience and/or interest in Access
before I was allowed to join.

Rusty 


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2012 9:35 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Where to publish stuff

Hi Rusty:

I think you have hit on the best option of the bunch. Does LinkedIn have
the ability to define nearly autonomous groups defined by subjects and
login?
 
Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rusty Hammond
Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2012 7:24 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Where to publish stuff

Anyone else using LinkedIn?  I'm subscribed to an Access group there and
it seems to work pretty well for this kind of stuff.  Ability to assign
moderators, comments posted to each question, ability to search, etc...
It's like facebook but for business and without all the junk that comes
with facebook (games, etc...).

Just a thought.

Rusty 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2012 4:37 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Where to publish stuff

Hi David

Hmm ... thanks, but:

Google+ seems like "just another social media" without any focus.
Blogspot seems like a mess will all sorts of inputs related to Google
only.
Google Scholar is some sort of search engine.

Or am I missing something?

/gustav


>>> davidmcafee at gmail.com 11-07-12 23:28 >>>
Google +, Blogspot, Google Scholar

Has anyone mentioned DevX or Stack Overflow?

D


On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 2:28 PM, Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:

> Hi David
>
> Where at Google? Some group? Never thought of Google in this context.
>
> /gustav
>
>
> >>> davidmcafee at gmail.com 11-07-12 17:58 >>>
> Google?
>
> On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 8:29 AM, Doug Murphy <dw-murphy at cox.net>
wrote:
>
> > Gustav,
> >
> > I like Code Project http://www.codeproject.com. I get a lot of great

> > stuff from the articles that are generously posted there.
> >
> > Doug
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav 
> > Brock
> > Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2012 5:51 AM
> > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > Subject: [AccessD] Where to publish stuff
> >
> > Hi all
> >
> > I'm currently coworking on a large project which for a moment holds 
> > me back from Visual Studio and C# and forces me to dust off the 
> > Access stuff (and as this A2010 many things are new to me).
> >
> > This may generate a couple of spin-off articles but where to publish
these?
> > I haven't actively searched Access stuff for the last five years, so

> > I feel a little lost.
> >
> > Our own site seems not active in this area, DevX has ceased the 
> > database area years ago, TechRepublic focus on the limited 
> > 10-steps-to-something, UtterAccess seems to anonymise articles, 
> > Expert-Exchange requires a log-in, DatabaseJournal doesn't cover 
> > Access, CodePlex is focusing on .Net, and so on and so forth.
> >
> > On top of this Susan (Harkins) - who seemed to be able to open any 
> > door - has retired.
> >
> > Any suggestions?
> >
> > /gustav

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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Thu Jul 12 10:20:28 2012
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2012 11:20:28 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Svar: What to do? (was: Just Another Old Boys Club)
In-Reply-To: <BB4B10D0C6814EA1A84CD36CA6D513A5@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <sffe9bd8.011@cactus.dk>
	<BB4B10D0C6814EA1A84CD36CA6D513A5@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1ifZGqqckqX5oeqr7W5ob7SdAWkG5MkoR5By0+7J=_Uyw@mail.gmail.com>

I have one client that would die for this technology. He's been a client on
and off for about 5 years. He's what is called a Safety Assessment
Engineer, which means that he visits factories and looks at the machines
(drills, presses, robots, etc.) and takes measurements to ensure their
compliance with provincial standards. Currently he records these
measurements by lugging his laptop from workstation to workstation. Then
when he gets back to the home/office, he prints reports to PDF format
(these IMO are very slick; they're not Access reports but Word documents
into which large amounts of data and photos of the workstations are
plonked).

I won't suggest that he buy a Surface until it's been demonstrated that an
Access app will run on such a baby, but he would die for that ability. And
he might just give me a justification to purchase one for myself, too.

A.

On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 10:30 AM, Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:

> Hi Gustav:
>
> Maybe at your end of the country the businesses are a little more
> progressive but here these guys are ultra conservative. Most have not even
> moved off XP (sad), some that have are using Win7 but only in specific
> places and even if Win8 was another XP clone it would take at least five
> years for management to take the package seriously. Some managers have
> moved
> to an Apple product; like owning BMW. Unfortunately, Apple stations are
> priced out of the market and there still are very few people who can fix
> them.
>
> The one thing that Win8 has going for it is that its new price-point looks
> very good...it is about time, as Linux is poised to scoop the desktop
> market...but what sort of hardware will be the realist minimum?
>
> Jim
>
>

From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Jul 12 10:18:17 2012
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2012 11:18:17 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Turn off IE security
Message-ID: <4FFEEAB9.5010100@colbyconsulting.com>

IE is blocking EVERYTHING.  I do not want to go into IE for every damned site I want to do something 
on and add an exception, that is just NUTS!  And yet even third party tools that use IE are blocked. 
  This is NUTS.

For some reason the main security tab is entirely grayed out, I cannot just slide the slider down to 
turn of IE security.

I am Googling and everything says to add to that stupid list.  That is NUTS!  There are half a 
billion web sites!

I found http://windowsxp.mvps.org/ie/flags.htm and mucked with the registry, essentially setting 
Zone3 Flags to a 3 but that did not help.


How do I tell IE to leave me alone?

-- 
John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it



From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Thu Jul 12 10:24:11 2012
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2012 11:24:11 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Where to publish stuff
In-Reply-To: <49A286ABF515E94A8505CD14DEB721701744ABA5@CPIEMAIL-EVS1.CPIQPC.NET>
References: <sffeb712.014@cactus.dk>
	<49A286ABF515E94A8505CD14DEB721701744ABA3@CPIEMAIL-EVS1.CPIQPC.NET>
	<988DC62BE5A14BAFA8B859664A7B4D2A@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<49A286ABF515E94A8505CD14DEB721701744ABA4@CPIEMAIL-EVS1.CPIQPC.NET>
	<49A286ABF515E94A8505CD14DEB721701744ABA5@CPIEMAIL-EVS1.CPIQPC.NET>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1gN7=XfFYT08O3Ba0CtY+bWJaFKy_AmqCDfdphseB-ZLQ@mail.gmail.com>

I belong to several groups on LinkedIn. I like it a lot, except for one
thing: too many senders are head-hunters looking for developers in regions
that I don't care about. Not that I have anything against Atlanta or Oslo,
but I live in Canada and the visa thing is too much hassle. Other than
that, though, I think LinkedIn is a pretty good place.

A.

On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 10:53 AM, Rusty Hammond <rusty.hammond at cpiqpc.com>wrote:

>
> Forgot to add, another feature I kind of like is a daily e-mail from
> linkedin for each group I'm in.  It gives a list of the most active
> conversations in the group and hyperlinks to them.  You have the ability
> to turn these e-mails off if you don't want them.
>
> Rusty
>
>

From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Thu Jul 12 10:28:06 2012
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2012 11:28:06 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Turn off IE security
In-Reply-To: <4FFEEAB9.5010100@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4FFEEAB9.5010100@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1i7XG+OzPWZtR5C-pcyhL_mKkUYoFi-6hN-o5mLFkZepA@mail.gmail.com>

Ummm, use Chrome?

From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Thu Jul 12 10:32:13 2012
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2012 08:32:13 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Turn off IE security
In-Reply-To: <4FFEEAB9.5010100@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4FFEEAB9.5010100@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <20A4D07A37254EC2930FDF056B27A46B@HAL9007>

Go to Chrome? Or Firefox?  

R

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2012 8:18 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Turn off IE security

IE is blocking EVERYTHING.  I do not want to go into IE for every damned
site I want to do something on and add an exception, that is just NUTS!  And
yet even third party tools that use IE are blocked. 
  This is NUTS.

For some reason the main security tab is entirely grayed out, I cannot just
slide the slider down to turn of IE security.

I am Googling and everything says to add to that stupid list.  That is NUTS!
There are half a billion web sites!

I found http://windowsxp.mvps.org/ie/flags.htm and mucked with the registry,
essentially setting
Zone3 Flags to a 3 but that did not help.


How do I tell IE to leave me alone?

-- 
John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it


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From rusty.hammond at cpiqpc.com  Thu Jul 12 10:47:19 2012
From: rusty.hammond at cpiqpc.com (Rusty Hammond)
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2012 10:47:19 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Svar: What to do? (was: Just Another Old Boys Club)
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1ifZGqqckqX5oeqr7W5ob7SdAWkG5MkoR5By0+7J=_Uyw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <sffe9bd8.011@cactus.dk><BB4B10D0C6814EA1A84CD36CA6D513A5@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<CAEPJO1ifZGqqckqX5oeqr7W5ob7SdAWkG5MkoR5By0+7J=_Uyw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <49A286ABF515E94A8505CD14DEB721701744ABA9@CPIEMAIL-EVS1.CPIQPC.NET>

I haven't had a chance to play with it yet, but apparently if you used
linked tables in an Access front end to Sharepoint lists (tables), you
can run them disconnected, then when you get hooked back up to the
Sharepoint server, the data is synced back to the Sharepoint list.  I
could see this being pretty useful when you have more than one person
out in the field or just want a way to automatically backup your data,
and if the Surface tablet works out you aren't lugging around a laptop
anymore but have the same capability.

Then there's the ability to show that data on a Sharepoint site on the
web.  Assign customer logins to that site, and allow them to see their
data, export it to Excel, etc...  Lots of possibilities here.

Pretty cool stuff, IMO.

Rusty


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2012 10:20 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Svar: What to do? (was: Just Another Old Boys
Club)

I have one client that would die for this technology. He's been a client
on and off for about 5 years. He's what is called a Safety Assessment
Engineer, which means that he visits factories and looks at the machines
(drills, presses, robots, etc.) and takes measurements to ensure their
compliance with provincial standards. Currently he records these
measurements by lugging his laptop from workstation to workstation. Then
when he gets back to the home/office, he prints reports to PDF format
(these IMO are very slick; they're not Access reports but Word documents
into which large amounts of data and photos of the workstations are
plonked).

I won't suggest that he buy a Surface until it's been demonstrated that
an Access app will run on such a baby, but he would die for that
ability. And he might just give me a justification to purchase one for
myself, too.

A.

On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 10:30 AM, Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:

> Hi Gustav:
>
> Maybe at your end of the country the businesses are a little more 
> progressive but here these guys are ultra conservative. Most have not 
> even moved off XP (sad), some that have are using Win7 but only in 
> specific places and even if Win8 was another XP clone it would take at

> least five years for management to take the package seriously. Some 
> managers have moved to an Apple product; like owning BMW. 
> Unfortunately, Apple stations are priced out of the market and there 
> still are very few people who can fix them.
>
> The one thing that Win8 has going for it is that its new price-point 
> looks very good...it is about time, as Linux is poised to scoop the 
> desktop market...but what sort of hardware will be the realist
minimum?
>
> Jim
>
>
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From charlotte.foust at gmail.com  Thu Jul 12 11:08:21 2012
From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2012 09:08:21 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Where to publish stuff
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1gN7=XfFYT08O3Ba0CtY+bWJaFKy_AmqCDfdphseB-ZLQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <sffeb712.014@cactus.dk>
	<49A286ABF515E94A8505CD14DEB721701744ABA3@CPIEMAIL-EVS1.CPIQPC.NET>
	<988DC62BE5A14BAFA8B859664A7B4D2A@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<49A286ABF515E94A8505CD14DEB721701744ABA4@CPIEMAIL-EVS1.CPIQPC.NET>
	<49A286ABF515E94A8505CD14DEB721701744ABA5@CPIEMAIL-EVS1.CPIQPC.NET>
	<CAEPJO1gN7=XfFYT08O3Ba0CtY+bWJaFKy_AmqCDfdphseB-ZLQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAH+Met-miY8iyuYunBe7OZP20w5L8vzLYLYNVHhS0f4Wdn+bgw@mail.gmail.com>

That's where the moderation comes in.  Somebody, including the members of
the group can flag items for review (which moves them out of the
discussion) and you can report repeat offenders to the group owner(s).
Extreme cases can be reported to LinkedIn with documentation and the user
will be banned.  Sooner or later they move on.

Charlotte

On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 8:24 AM, Arthur Fuller <fuller.artful at gmail.com>wrote:

> I belong to several groups on LinkedIn. I like it a lot, except for one
> thing: too many senders are head-hunters looking for developers in regions
> that I don't care about. Not that I have anything against Atlanta or Oslo,
> but I live in Canada and the visa thing is too much hassle. Other than
> that, though, I think LinkedIn is a pretty good place.
>
> A.
>
> On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 10:53 AM, Rusty Hammond <rusty.hammond at cpiqpc.com
> >wrote:
>
> >
> > Forgot to add, another feature I kind of like is a daily e-mail from
> > linkedin for each group I'm in.  It gives a list of the most active
> > conversations in the group and hyperlinks to them.  You have the ability
> > to turn these e-mails off if you don't want them.
> >
> > Rusty
> >
> >
> --
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> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>
>
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>
>

From john at winhaven.net  Thu Jul 12 11:31:31 2012
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2012 11:31:31 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Turn off IE security
In-Reply-To: <4FFEEAB9.5010100@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4FFEEAB9.5010100@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <024301cd604b$cbd303b0$63790b10$@winhaven.net>

It shouldn't be doing that. 

If the security tab is grayed out then I think you have bigger issues. Find
out why it is grayed out. Is your security software doing that? (That's my
guess.) Or maybe an add-in of some kind.

Go into the settings and on the last tab [Advanced] click Reset. Then go
through each tab and make sure you have access to the settings. If that
doesn't work open it in IE "Safe Mode' and see what happens.


From dnod at aol.com  Thu Jul 12 11:34:56 2012
From: dnod at aol.com (Dean Davids)
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2012 12:34:56 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Turn off IE security
In-Reply-To: <024301cd604b$cbd303b0$63790b10$@winhaven.net>
References: <4FFEEAB9.5010100@colbyconsulting.com>
	<024301cd604b$cbd303b0$63790b10$@winhaven.net>
Message-ID: <00349E9D-89C5-4EF2-9789-93D9FD265461@aol.com>

I was thinking it may be the result of a group policy in Active Directory if your machine is on a managed Domain. 


Dean S. Davids
www.cmbscorp.com
954-868-4421

On Jul 12, 2012, at 12:31 PM, "John Bartow" <john at winhaven.net> wrote:

> It shouldn't be doing that. 
> 
> If the security tab is grayed out then I think you have bigger issues. Find
> out why it is grayed out. Is your security software doing that? (That's my
> guess.) Or maybe an add-in of some kind.
> 
> Go into the settings and on the last tab [Advanced] click Reset. Then go
> through each tab and make sure you have access to the settings. If that
> doesn't work open it in IE "Safe Mode' and see what happens.
> 
> -- 
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com


From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Jul 12 11:38:20 2012
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2012 12:38:20 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Turn off IE security
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1i7XG+OzPWZtR5C-pcyhL_mKkUYoFi-6hN-o5mLFkZepA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4FFEEAB9.5010100@colbyconsulting.com>
	<CAEPJO1i7XG+OzPWZtR5C-pcyhL_mKkUYoFi-6hN-o5mLFkZepA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4FFEFD7C.7070504@colbyconsulting.com>

LOL!  I use FireFox as a matter of fact, but all the idiot apps out there use IE internal to go web 
browsing.  Thus they also do not work!

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it


On 7/12/2012 11:28 AM, Arthur Fuller wrote:
> Ummm, use Chrome?
>



From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Jul 12 12:13:00 2012
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2012 13:13:00 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Turn off IE security
In-Reply-To: <00349E9D-89C5-4EF2-9789-93D9FD265461@aol.com>
References: <4FFEEAB9.5010100@colbyconsulting.com>
	<024301cd604b$cbd303b0$63790b10$@winhaven.net>
	<00349E9D-89C5-4EF2-9789-93D9FD265461@aol.com>
Message-ID: <4FFF059C.9060609@colbyconsulting.com>

Workgroups - Although this is on Windows 2008.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it


On 7/12/2012 12:34 PM, Dean Davids wrote:
> I was thinking it may be the result of a group policy in Active Directory if your machine is on a managed Domain.
>
>
> Dean S. Davids
> www.cmbscorp.com
> 954-868-4421
>
> On Jul 12, 2012, at 12:31 PM, "John Bartow" <john at winhaven.net> wrote:
>
>> It shouldn't be doing that.
>>
>> If the security tab is grayed out then I think you have bigger issues. Find
>> out why it is grayed out. Is your security software doing that? (That's my
>> guess.) Or maybe an add-in of some kind.
>>
>> Go into the settings and on the last tab [Advanced] click Reset. Then go
>> through each tab and make sure you have access to the settings. If that
>> doesn't work open it in IE "Safe Mode' and see what happens.
>>
>> --
>> AccessD mailing list
>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>



From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Jul 12 12:12:27 2012
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2012 13:12:27 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Turn off IE security
In-Reply-To: <00349E9D-89C5-4EF2-9789-93D9FD265461@aol.com>
References: <4FFEEAB9.5010100@colbyconsulting.com>
	<024301cd604b$cbd303b0$63790b10$@winhaven.net>
	<00349E9D-89C5-4EF2-9789-93D9FD265461@aol.com>
Message-ID: <4FFF057B.9030206@colbyconsulting.com>

Nope, workgroups

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it


On 7/12/2012 12:34 PM, Dean Davids wrote:
> I was thinking it may be the result of a group policy in Active Directory if your machine is on a managed Domain.
>
>
> Dean S. Davids
> www.cmbscorp.com
> 954-868-4421
>
> On Jul 12, 2012, at 12:31 PM, "John Bartow" <john at winhaven.net> wrote:
>
>> It shouldn't be doing that.
>>
>> If the security tab is grayed out then I think you have bigger issues. Find
>> out why it is grayed out. Is your security software doing that? (That's my
>> guess.) Or maybe an add-in of some kind.
>>
>> Go into the settings and on the last tab [Advanced] click Reset. Then go
>> through each tab and make sure you have access to the settings. If that
>> doesn't work open it in IE "Safe Mode' and see what happens.
>>
>> --
>> AccessD mailing list
>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>



From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Jul 12 12:13:39 2012
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2012 13:13:39 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Turn off IE security
In-Reply-To: <024301cd604b$cbd303b0$63790b10$@winhaven.net>
References: <4FFEEAB9.5010100@colbyconsulting.com>
	<024301cd604b$cbd303b0$63790b10$@winhaven.net>
Message-ID: <4FFF05C3.5000405@colbyconsulting.com>

The tab itself is not grayed out, just the ability to slide the slider down to decreate the security 
level.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it


On 7/12/2012 12:31 PM, John Bartow wrote:
> It shouldn't be doing that.
>
> If the security tab is grayed out then I think you have bigger issues. Find
> out why it is grayed out. Is your security software doing that? (That's my
> guess.) Or maybe an add-in of some kind.
>
> Go into the settings and on the last tab [Advanced] click Reset. Then go
> through each tab and make sure you have access to the settings. If that
> doesn't work open it in IE "Safe Mode' and see what happens.
>



From davidmcafee at gmail.com  Thu Jul 12 12:28:27 2012
From: davidmcafee at gmail.com (David McAfee)
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2012 10:28:27 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Svar: What to do? (was: Just Another Old Boys Club)
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1ifZGqqckqX5oeqr7W5ob7SdAWkG5MkoR5By0+7J=_Uyw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <sffe9bd8.011@cactus.dk>
	<BB4B10D0C6814EA1A84CD36CA6D513A5@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<CAEPJO1ifZGqqckqX5oeqr7W5ob7SdAWkG5MkoR5By0+7J=_Uyw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAMhYZWYS3mne9yx1_k4pQ96Vg0uL0FccZdX_F4vS0_6asSuC7A@mail.gmail.com>

Tablets have been out for a long time.

We were using them 8 yrs ago, running XP and office.
Their only problem was that they were expensive.

Another thing we've used even longer are iPAQs.
It's said that they're no longer being made because of smart phones.

early iPAQs used cdb (compact database) , later ones used SQLCE.

Very simple for you client to use.



On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 8:20 AM, Arthur Fuller <fuller.artful at gmail.com>wrote:

> I have one client that would die for this technology. He's been a client on
> and off for about 5 years. He's what is called a Safety Assessment
> Engineer, which means that he visits factories and looks at the machines
> (drills, presses, robots, etc.) and takes measurements to ensure their
> compliance with provincial standards. Currently he records these
> measurements by lugging his laptop from workstation to workstation. Then
> when he gets back to the home/office, he prints reports to PDF format
> (these IMO are very slick; they're not Access reports but Word documents
> into which large amounts of data and photos of the workstations are
> plonked).
>
> I won't suggest that he buy a Surface until it's been demonstrated that an
> Access app will run on such a baby, but he would die for that ability. And
> he might just give me a justification to purchase one for myself, too.
>
> A.
>
> On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 10:30 AM, Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:
>
> > Hi Gustav:
> >
> > Maybe at your end of the country the businesses are a little more
> > progressive but here these guys are ultra conservative. Most have not
> even
> > moved off XP (sad), some that have are using Win7 but only in specific
> > places and even if Win8 was another XP clone it would take at least five
> > years for management to take the package seriously. Some managers have
> > moved
> > to an Apple product; like owning BMW. Unfortunately, Apple stations are
> > priced out of the market and there still are very few people who can fix
> > them.
> >
> > The one thing that Win8 has going for it is that its new price-point
> looks
> > very good...it is about time, as Linux is poised to scoop the desktop
> > market...but what sort of hardware will be the realist minimum?
> >
> > Jim
> >
> >
> --
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> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>

From Lambert.Heenan at chartisinsurance.com  Thu Jul 12 14:23:05 2012
From: Lambert.Heenan at chartisinsurance.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2012 15:23:05 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Turn off IE security
In-Reply-To: <4FFF05C3.5000405@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4FFEEAB9.5010100@colbyconsulting.com>
	<024301cd604b$cbd303b0$63790b10$@winhaven.net>
	<4FFF05C3.5000405@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <F5B2E2ECEE84F142883A2E6DCA867F9850C78384@LIVP3MMBX10.mail.aig.net>

Maybe this will fix it...
http://windowsxp.mvps.org/ie/secchangesettings.htm

Lambert 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2012 1:14 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Turn off IE security

The tab itself is not grayed out, just the ability to slide the slider down to decreate the security level.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it


On 7/12/2012 12:31 PM, John Bartow wrote:
> It shouldn't be doing that.
>
> If the security tab is grayed out then I think you have bigger issues. 
> Find out why it is grayed out. Is your security software doing that? 
> (That's my
> guess.) Or maybe an add-in of some kind.
>
> Go into the settings and on the last tab [Advanced] click Reset. Then 
> go through each tab and make sure you have access to the settings. If 
> that doesn't work open it in IE "Safe Mode' and see what happens.
>


--
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Jul 12 14:42:20 2012
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2012 15:42:20 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Turn off IE security
In-Reply-To: <F5B2E2ECEE84F142883A2E6DCA867F9850C78384@LIVP3MMBX10.mail.aig.net>
References: <4FFEEAB9.5010100@colbyconsulting.com>
	<024301cd604b$cbd303b0$63790b10$@winhaven.net>
	<4FFF05C3.5000405@colbyconsulting.com>
	<F5B2E2ECEE84F142883A2E6DCA867F9850C78384@LIVP3MMBX10.mail.aig.net>
Message-ID: <4FFF289C.1020605@colbyconsulting.com>

Interesting but none of those locations exist in the registry on this machine.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it


On 7/12/2012 3:23 PM, Heenan, Lambert wrote:
> Maybe this will fix it...
> http://windowsxp.mvps.org/ie/secchangesettings.htm
>
> Lambert
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
> Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2012 1:14 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Turn off IE security
>
> The tab itself is not grayed out, just the ability to slide the slider down to decreate the security level.
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
>
> Reality is what refuses to go away
> when you do not believe in it
>
>
> On 7/12/2012 12:31 PM, John Bartow wrote:
>> It shouldn't be doing that.
>>
>> If the security tab is grayed out then I think you have bigger issues.
>> Find out why it is grayed out. Is your security software doing that?
>> (That's my
>> guess.) Or maybe an add-in of some kind.
>>
>> Go into the settings and on the last tab [Advanced] click Reset. Then
>> go through each tab and make sure you have access to the settings. If
>> that doesn't work open it in IE "Safe Mode' and see what happens.
>>
>
>
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>



From gustav at cactus.dk  Thu Jul 12 15:29:07 2012
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2012 22:29:07 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Svar: What to do? (was: Just Another Old	Boys	Club)
Message-ID: <sfff4fd7.022@cactus.dk>

Hi Rusty (and Arthur)

My wife Rita has ordered one. She loves her Windows Phone 7?. She's intelligent but absolutely not a gadget-type, thus she is on par with the no-nonsense Metro interface. 

For some time she has talked about obtaining a pad type machine for those situations where a normal laptop is too clumsy. When I showed her the pictures of the Surface models including the neat keyboard (like me, she does 10-finger typing very fast) and the well-known Metro tiles, she was sold instantly.

And Access will run on this. You flip between the Metro interface and a Windows 7 style Desktop with one keystroke, the Windows key.

/gustav


>>> rusty.hammond at cpiqpc.com 12-07-12 16:21 >>>
Anyone looking forward to the upcoming new Microsoft Surface tablet that
will run Windows 8 thus the ability to run Access on a tablet?

Rusty


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2012 2:42 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Svar: What to do? (was: Just Another Old Boys
Club)

Hi Darryl

The great thing with Windows 8 is that you have both worlds: The desktop
which business and "the old boys" will continue to use for years, and
the Metro interface which is superior to other "pad" interfaces. And -
when you need it - you can switch between with a single
keystroke/mouseclick.

/gustav


>>> darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au 12-07-12 1:18 >>>
Agreed.  I get a bit puzzled myself - there are two markets for sure.
The consumer /domestic market where most folks want something 'that just
works', don't care less about looking under the hood and really only use
their devices for consuming media, services or information.  For these
people the iPad / Windows 8 solution should be magic.  However for
Business or those who develop or produce stuff off their systems this
obsession with full sized apps, touch screens and swiping around to make
things move really does seem a good solution....



From gustav at cactus.dk  Thu Jul 12 15:29:08 2012
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2012 22:29:08 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Svar: What to do? (was: Just Another Old	Boys	Club)
Message-ID: <sfff4fd7.025@cactus.dk>

Hi Rusty (and Arthur)

My wife Rita has ordered one. She loves her Windows Phone 7?. She's intelligent but absolutely not a gadget-type, thus she is on par with the no-nonsense Metro interface. 

For some time she has talked about obtaining a pad type machine for those situations where a normal laptop is too clumsy. When I showed her the pictures of the Surface models including the neat keyboard (like me, she does 10-finger typing very fast) and the well-known Metro tiles, she was sold instantly.

And Access will run on this. You flip between the Metro interface and a Windows 7 style Desktop with one keystroke, the Windows key.

/gustav


>>> rusty.hammond at cpiqpc.com 12-07-12 16:21 >>>
Anyone looking forward to the upcoming new Microsoft Surface tablet that
will run Windows 8 thus the ability to run Access on a tablet?

Rusty


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2012 2:42 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Svar: What to do? (was: Just Another Old Boys
Club)

Hi Darryl

The great thing with Windows 8 is that you have both worlds: The desktop
which business and "the old boys" will continue to use for years, and
the Metro interface which is superior to other "pad" interfaces. And -
when you need it - you can switch between with a single
keystroke/mouseclick.

/gustav


>>> darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au 12-07-12 1:18 >>>
Agreed.  I get a bit puzzled myself - there are two markets for sure.
The consumer /domestic market where most folks want something 'that just
works', don't care less about looking under the hood and really only use
their devices for consuming media, services or information.  For these
people the iPad / Windows 8 solution should be magic.  However for
Business or those who develop or produce stuff off their systems this
obsession with full sized apps, touch screens and swiping around to make
things move really does seem a good solution....



From gustav at cactus.dk  Thu Jul 12 15:29:08 2012
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2012 22:29:08 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Svar: What to do? (was: Just Another Old	Boys	Club)
Message-ID: <sfff4fd7.023@cactus.dk>

Hi Rusty (and Arthur)

My wife Rita has ordered one. She loves her Windows Phone 7?. She's intelligent but absolutely not a gadget-type, thus she is on par with the no-nonsense Metro interface. 

For some time she has talked about obtaining a pad type machine for those situations where a normal laptop is too clumsy. When I showed her the pictures of the Surface models including the neat keyboard (like me, she does 10-finger typing very fast) and the well-known Metro tiles, she was sold instantly.

And Access will run on this. You flip between the Metro interface and a Windows 7 style Desktop with one keystroke, the Windows key.

/gustav


>>> rusty.hammond at cpiqpc.com 12-07-12 16:21 >>>
Anyone looking forward to the upcoming new Microsoft Surface tablet that
will run Windows 8 thus the ability to run Access on a tablet?

Rusty


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2012 2:42 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Svar: What to do? (was: Just Another Old Boys
Club)

Hi Darryl

The great thing with Windows 8 is that you have both worlds: The desktop
which business and "the old boys" will continue to use for years, and
the Metro interface which is superior to other "pad" interfaces. And -
when you need it - you can switch between with a single
keystroke/mouseclick.

/gustav


>>> darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au 12-07-12 1:18 >>>
Agreed.  I get a bit puzzled myself - there are two markets for sure.
The consumer /domestic market where most folks want something 'that just
works', don't care less about looking under the hood and really only use
their devices for consuming media, services or information.  For these
people the iPad / Windows 8 solution should be magic.  However for
Business or those who develop or produce stuff off their systems this
obsession with full sized apps, touch screens and swiping around to make
things move really does seem a good solution....



From gustav at cactus.dk  Thu Jul 12 15:29:08 2012
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2012 22:29:08 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Svar: What to do? (was: Just Another Old	Boys	Club)
Message-ID: <sfff4fd7.024@cactus.dk>

Hi Rusty (and Arthur)

My wife Rita has ordered one. She loves her Windows Phone 7?. She's intelligent but absolutely not a gadget-type, thus she is on par with the no-nonsense Metro interface. 

For some time she has talked about obtaining a pad type machine for those situations where a normal laptop is too clumsy. When I showed her the pictures of the Surface models including the neat keyboard (like me, she does 10-finger typing very fast) and the well-known Metro tiles, she was sold instantly.

And Access will run on this. You flip between the Metro interface and a Windows 7 style Desktop with one keystroke, the Windows key.

/gustav


>>> rusty.hammond at cpiqpc.com 12-07-12 16:21 >>>
Anyone looking forward to the upcoming new Microsoft Surface tablet that
will run Windows 8 thus the ability to run Access on a tablet?

Rusty


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2012 2:42 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Svar: What to do? (was: Just Another Old Boys
Club)

Hi Darryl

The great thing with Windows 8 is that you have both worlds: The desktop
which business and "the old boys" will continue to use for years, and
the Metro interface which is superior to other "pad" interfaces. And -
when you need it - you can switch between with a single
keystroke/mouseclick.

/gustav


>>> darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au 12-07-12 1:18 >>>
Agreed.  I get a bit puzzled myself - there are two markets for sure.
The consumer /domestic market where most folks want something 'that just
works', don't care less about looking under the hood and really only use
their devices for consuming media, services or information.  For these
people the iPad / Windows 8 solution should be magic.  However for
Business or those who develop or produce stuff off their systems this
obsession with full sized apps, touch screens and swiping around to make
things move really does seem a good solution....



From gustav at cactus.dk  Thu Jul 12 15:29:07 2012
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2012 22:29:07 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Svar: What to do? (was: Just Another Old	Boys	Club)
Message-ID: <sfff4fd7.020@cactus.dk>

Hi Rusty (and Arthur)

My wife Rita has ordered one. She loves her Windows Phone 7?. She's intelligent but absolutely not a gadget-type, thus she is on par with the no-nonsense Metro interface. 

For some time she has talked about obtaining a pad type machine for those situations where a normal laptop is too clumsy. When I showed her the pictures of the Surface models including the neat keyboard (like me, she does 10-finger typing very fast) and the well-known Metro tiles, she was sold instantly.

And Access will run on this. You flip between the Metro interface and a Windows 7 style Desktop with one keystroke, the Windows key.

/gustav


>>> rusty.hammond at cpiqpc.com 12-07-12 16:21 >>>
Anyone looking forward to the upcoming new Microsoft Surface tablet that
will run Windows 8 thus the ability to run Access on a tablet?

Rusty


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2012 2:42 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Svar: What to do? (was: Just Another Old Boys
Club)

Hi Darryl

The great thing with Windows 8 is that you have both worlds: The desktop
which business and "the old boys" will continue to use for years, and
the Metro interface which is superior to other "pad" interfaces. And -
when you need it - you can switch between with a single
keystroke/mouseclick.

/gustav


>>> darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au 12-07-12 1:18 >>>
Agreed.  I get a bit puzzled myself - there are two markets for sure.
The consumer /domestic market where most folks want something 'that just
works', don't care less about looking under the hood and really only use
their devices for consuming media, services or information.  For these
people the iPad / Windows 8 solution should be magic.  However for
Business or those who develop or produce stuff off their systems this
obsession with full sized apps, touch screens and swiping around to make
things move really does seem a good solution....



From gustav at cactus.dk  Thu Jul 12 15:29:07 2012
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2012 22:29:07 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Svar: What to do? (was: Just Another Old	Boys	Club)
Message-ID: <sfff4fd7.021@cactus.dk>

Hi Rusty (and Arthur)

My wife Rita has ordered one. She loves her Windows Phone 7?. She's intelligent but absolutely not a gadget-type, thus she is on par with the no-nonsense Metro interface. 

For some time she has talked about obtaining a pad type machine for those situations where a normal laptop is too clumsy. When I showed her the pictures of the Surface models including the neat keyboard (like me, she does 10-finger typing very fast) and the well-known Metro tiles, she was sold instantly.

And Access will run on this. You flip between the Metro interface and a Windows 7 style Desktop with one keystroke, the Windows key.

/gustav


>>> rusty.hammond at cpiqpc.com 12-07-12 16:21 >>>
Anyone looking forward to the upcoming new Microsoft Surface tablet that
will run Windows 8 thus the ability to run Access on a tablet?

Rusty


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2012 2:42 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Svar: What to do? (was: Just Another Old Boys
Club)

Hi Darryl

The great thing with Windows 8 is that you have both worlds: The desktop
which business and "the old boys" will continue to use for years, and
the Metro interface which is superior to other "pad" interfaces. And -
when you need it - you can switch between with a single
keystroke/mouseclick.

/gustav


>>> darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au 12-07-12 1:18 >>>
Agreed.  I get a bit puzzled myself - there are two markets for sure.
The consumer /domestic market where most folks want something 'that just
works', don't care less about looking under the hood and really only use
their devices for consuming media, services or information.  For these
people the iPad / Windows 8 solution should be magic.  However for
Business or those who develop or produce stuff off their systems this
obsession with full sized apps, touch screens and swiping around to make
things move really does seem a good solution....



From Lambert.Heenan at chartisinsurance.com  Thu Jul 12 15:27:50 2012
From: Lambert.Heenan at chartisinsurance.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2012 16:27:50 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Turn off IE security
In-Reply-To: <4FFF289C.1020605@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4FFEEAB9.5010100@colbyconsulting.com>
	<024301cd604b$cbd303b0$63790b10$@winhaven.net>
	<4FFF05C3.5000405@colbyconsulting.com>
	<F5B2E2ECEE84F142883A2E6DCA867F9850C78384@LIVP3MMBX10.mail.aig.net>
	<4FFF289C.1020605@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <F5B2E2ECEE84F142883A2E6DCA867F9850C783AD@LIVP3MMBX10.mail.aig.net>

Too old an article.  But what about this one, specific to Windows 2008 server?

http://imak47.wordpress.com/2011/01/25/how-to-change-the-internet-zone-security-level-from-high-to-medium-low-in-windows-server-2008/
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2012 3:42 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Turn off IE security

Interesting but none of those locations exist in the registry on this machine.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it


On 7/12/2012 3:23 PM, Heenan, Lambert wrote:
> Maybe this will fix it...
> http://windowsxp.mvps.org/ie/secchangesettings.htm
>
> Lambert
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
> Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2012 1:14 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Turn off IE security
>
> The tab itself is not grayed out, just the ability to slide the slider down to decreate the security level.
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
>
> Reality is what refuses to go away
> when you do not believe in it
>
>
> On 7/12/2012 12:31 PM, John Bartow wrote:
>> It shouldn't be doing that.
>>
>> If the security tab is grayed out then I think you have bigger issues.
>> Find out why it is grayed out. Is your security software doing that?
>> (That's my
>> guess.) Or maybe an add-in of some kind.
>>
>> Go into the settings and on the last tab [Advanced] click Reset. Then 
>> go through each tab and make sure you have access to the settings. If 
>> that doesn't work open it in IE "Safe Mode' and see what happens.
>>
>
>
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Jul 12 16:05:48 2012
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2012 17:05:48 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Turn off IE security
In-Reply-To: <F5B2E2ECEE84F142883A2E6DCA867F9850C783AD@LIVP3MMBX10.mail.aig.net>
References: <4FFEEAB9.5010100@colbyconsulting.com>
	<024301cd604b$cbd303b0$63790b10$@winhaven.net>
	<4FFF05C3.5000405@colbyconsulting.com>
	<F5B2E2ECEE84F142883A2E6DCA867F9850C78384@LIVP3MMBX10.mail.aig.net>
	<4FFF289C.1020605@colbyconsulting.com>
	<F5B2E2ECEE84F142883A2E6DCA867F9850C783AD@LIVP3MMBX10.mail.aig.net>
Message-ID: <4FFF3C2C.5090802@colbyconsulting.com>

That one did it!

Thanks.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it


On 7/12/2012 4:27 PM, Heenan, Lambert wrote:
> Too old an article.  But what about this one, specific to Windows 2008 server?
>
> http://imak47.wordpress.com/2011/01/25/how-to-change-the-internet-zone-security-level-from-high-to-medium-low-in-windows-server-2008/
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
> Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2012 3:42 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Turn off IE security
>
> Interesting but none of those locations exist in the registry on this machine.
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
>
> Reality is what refuses to go away
> when you do not believe in it
>
>
> On 7/12/2012 3:23 PM, Heenan, Lambert wrote:
>> Maybe this will fix it...
>> http://windowsxp.mvps.org/ie/secchangesettings.htm
>>
>> Lambert
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
>> Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2012 1:14 PM
>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Turn off IE security
>>
>> The tab itself is not grayed out, just the ability to slide the slider down to decreate the security level.
>>
>> John W. Colby
>> Colby Consulting
>>
>> Reality is what refuses to go away
>> when you do not believe in it
>>
>>
>> On 7/12/2012 12:31 PM, John Bartow wrote:
>>> It shouldn't be doing that.
>>>
>>> If the security tab is grayed out then I think you have bigger issues.
>>> Find out why it is grayed out. Is your security software doing that?
>>> (That's my
>>> guess.) Or maybe an add-in of some kind.
>>>
>>> Go into the settings and on the last tab [Advanced] click Reset. Then
>>> go through each tab and make sure you have access to the settings. If
>>> that doesn't work open it in IE "Safe Mode' and see what happens.
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
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>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>
>
>
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Thu Jul 12 16:40:44 2012
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2012 07:40:44 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Where to publish stuff
In-Reply-To: <49A286ABF515E94A8505CD14DEB721701744ABA3@CPIEMAIL-EVS1.CPIQPC.NET>
References: <sffeb712.014@cactus.dk>,
	<49A286ABF515E94A8505CD14DEB721701744ABA3@CPIEMAIL-EVS1.CPIQPC.NET>
Message-ID: <4FFF445C.14901.22E759AB@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

I'm on two.

Professional Microsoft Access Developers' Network
and
Microsoft Access Gurus.

Neither of them feel like family the way DBA lists do  though :-)

-- 
Stuart

On 12 Jul 2012 at 9:24, Rusty Hammond wrote:

> Anyone else using LinkedIn?  I'm subscribed to an Access group there and
> it seems to work pretty well for this kind of stuff.  Ability to assign
> moderators, comments posted to each question, ability to search, etc...
> It's like facebook but for business and without all the junk that comes
> with facebook (games, etc...).
> 
> Just a thought.
> 
> Rusty 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
> Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2012 4:37 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Where to publish stuff
> 
> Hi David
> 
> Hmm ... thanks, but:
> 
> Google+ seems like "just another social media" without any focus.
> Blogspot seems like a mess will all sorts of inputs related to Google
> only.
> Google Scholar is some sort of search engine.
> 
> Or am I missing something?
> 
> /gustav
> 
> 
> >>> davidmcafee at gmail.com 11-07-12 23:28 >>>
> Google +, Blogspot, Google Scholar
> 
> Has anyone mentioned DevX or Stack Overflow?
> 
> D
> 
> 
> On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 2:28 PM, Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:
> 
> > Hi David
> >
> > Where at Google? Some group? Never thought of Google in this context.
> >
> > /gustav
> >
> >
> > >>> davidmcafee at gmail.com 11-07-12 17:58 >>>
> > Google?
> >
> > On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 8:29 AM, Doug Murphy <dw-murphy at cox.net>
> wrote:
> >
> > > Gustav,
> > >
> > > I like Code Project http://www.codeproject.com. I get a lot of great
> 
> > > stuff from the articles that are generously posted there.
> > >
> > > Doug
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav 
> > > Brock
> > > Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2012 5:51 AM
> > > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > > Subject: [AccessD] Where to publish stuff
> > >
> > > Hi all
> > >
> > > I'm currently coworking on a large project which for a moment holds 
> > > me back from Visual Studio and C# and forces me to dust off the 
> > > Access stuff (and as this A2010 many things are new to me).
> > >
> > > This may generate a couple of spin-off articles but where to publish
> these?
> > > I haven't actively searched Access stuff for the last five years, so
> 
> > > I feel a little lost.
> > >
> > > Our own site seems not active in this area, DevX has ceased the 
> > > database area years ago, TechRepublic focus on the limited 
> > > 10-steps-to-something, UtterAccess seems to anonymise articles, 
> > > Expert-Exchange requires a log-in, DatabaseJournal doesn't cover 
> > > Access, CodePlex is focusing on .Net, and so on and so forth.
> > >
> > > On top of this Susan (Harkins) - who seemed to be able to open any 
> > > door - has retired.
> > >
> > > Any suggestions?
> > >
> > > /gustav
> 
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From charlotte.foust at gmail.com  Thu Jul 12 21:20:03 2012
From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2012 19:20:03 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Where to publish stuff
In-Reply-To: <4FFF445C.14901.22E759AB@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <sffeb712.014@cactus.dk>
	<49A286ABF515E94A8505CD14DEB721701744ABA3@CPIEMAIL-EVS1.CPIQPC.NET>
	<4FFF445C.14901.22E759AB@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <CAH+Met_=6aGt+3hnYZaio7K-6tyyfC9uMeTsgz=Sf1xN0m_YVw@mail.gmail.com>

We could start our own--Database Advisors Group!

On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 2:40 PM, Stuart McLachlan <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg>wrote:

> I'm on two.
>
> Professional Microsoft Access Developers' Network
> and
> Microsoft Access Gurus.
>
> Neither of them feel like family the way DBA lists do  though :-)
>
> --
> Stuart
>
> On 12 Jul 2012 at 9:24, Rusty Hammond wrote:
>
> > Anyone else using LinkedIn?  I'm subscribed to an Access group there and
> > it seems to work pretty well for this kind of stuff.  Ability to assign
> > moderators, comments posted to each question, ability to search, etc...
> > It's like facebook but for business and without all the junk that comes
> > with facebook (games, etc...).
> >
> > Just a thought.
> >
> > Rusty
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
> > Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2012 4:37 AM
> > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Where to publish stuff
> >
> > Hi David
> >
> > Hmm ... thanks, but:
> >
> > Google+ seems like "just another social media" without any focus.
> > Blogspot seems like a mess will all sorts of inputs related to Google
> > only.
> > Google Scholar is some sort of search engine.
> >
> > Or am I missing something?
> >
> > /gustav
> >
> >
> > >>> davidmcafee at gmail.com 11-07-12 23:28 >>>
> > Google +, Blogspot, Google Scholar
> >
> > Has anyone mentioned DevX or Stack Overflow?
> >
> > D
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 2:28 PM, Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:
> >
> > > Hi David
> > >
> > > Where at Google? Some group? Never thought of Google in this context.
> > >
> > > /gustav
> > >
> > >
> > > >>> davidmcafee at gmail.com 11-07-12 17:58 >>>
> > > Google?
> > >
> > > On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 8:29 AM, Doug Murphy <dw-murphy at cox.net>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Gustav,
> > > >
> > > > I like Code Project http://www.codeproject.com
>
> . I get a lot of great
> >
> > > > stuff from the articles that are generously posted there.
> > > >
> > > > Doug
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav
> > > > Brock
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2012 5:51 AM
> > > > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > Subject: [AccessD] Where to publish stuff
> > > >
> > > > Hi all
> > > >
> > > > I'm currently coworking on a large project which for a moment holds
> > > > me back from Visual Studio and C# and forces me to dust off the
> > > > Access stuff (and as this A2010 many things are new to me).
> > > >
> > > > This may generate a couple of spin-off articles but where to publish
> > these?
> > > > I haven't actively searched Access stuff for the last five years, so
> >
> > > > I feel a little lost.
> > > >
> > > > Our own site seems not active in this area, DevX has ceased the
> > > > database area years ago, TechRepublic focus on the limited
> > > > 10-steps-to-something, UtterAccess seems to anonymise articles,
> > > > Expert-Exchange requires a log-in, DatabaseJournal doesn't cover
> > > > Access, CodePlex is focusing on .Net, and so on and so forth.
> > > >
> > > > On top of this Susan (Harkins) - who seemed to be able to open any
> > > > door - has retired.
> > > >
> > > > Any suggestions?
> > > >
> > > > /gustav
> >
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From marksimms at verizon.net  Thu Jul 12 21:50:52 2012
From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms)
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2012 22:50:52 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Svar: What to do? (was: Just Another Old	Boys	Club)
In-Reply-To: <sfff4fd7.021@cactus.dk>
References: <sfff4fd7.021@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <00d001cd60a2$519af290$f4d0d7b0$@net>

Windows 7 Phone:
Sorry, nothing but the same...bugs, bugs, bugs.
Incredibly, after 1 year of waiting...and I FINALLY got a notice to update
my Win 7 Phone OS.
45 minutes later....it was still running.
Next day: a new notice to upgrade appeared (again) !!!
Apparently, the update process has bugs.

My huge miff: the Voice recognition dictionary has missed common words...
So when I try to text message via my super high tech noise cancelling
Bluetooth earpiece and headset....
It fails to understand: "I am here". "Here" is not in the dictionary or not
available in that context,
so it produces garbage on the screen.
Very frustrating...and even dangerous in a car.

Oh, BTW: that's my THIRD Bluetooth earpiece device...all of the others were
garbage.
Welcome to the world of "failed technology".





From accessd at shaw.ca  Thu Jul 12 23:43:46 2012
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2012 21:43:46 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Turn off IE security
In-Reply-To: <4FFEEAB9.5010100@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4FFEEAB9.5010100@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <21AEB198A0524BA7AC8FE5CC54F28A0F@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Hi John:

The only way I have found to work around older versions of IE is not to use
them. Some of my websites politely ask the client to update to a newer
version and suggest alternative, with links to Firefox and Chrome or IE9.

There is no way to automate the process that I know of or there would be no
security.

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2012 8:18 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Turn off IE security

IE is blocking EVERYTHING.  I do not want to go into IE for every damned
site I want to do something 
on and add an exception, that is just NUTS!  And yet even third party tools
that use IE are blocked. 
  This is NUTS.

For some reason the main security tab is entirely grayed out, I cannot just
slide the slider down to 
turn of IE security.

I am Googling and everything says to add to that stupid list.  That is NUTS!
There are half a 
billion web sites!

I found http://windowsxp.mvps.org/ie/flags.htm and mucked with the registry,
essentially setting 
Zone3 Flags to a 3 but that did not help.


How do I tell IE to leave me alone?

-- 
John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it


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From mcp2004 at mail.ru  Fri Jul 13 06:26:09 2012
From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=)
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2012 15:26:09 +0400
Subject: [AccessD]
 =?utf-8?q?Svar=3A_What_to_do=3F_=28was=3A_Just_Another_?=
 =?utf-8?q?Old=09Boys=09Club=29?=
In-Reply-To: <00d001cd60a2$519af290$f4d0d7b0$@net>
References: <sfff4fd7.021@cactus.dk> <00d001cd60a2$519af290$f4d0d7b0$@net>
Message-ID: <1342178769.944420877@f3.mail.ru>

Hi Mark --

I've got upgraded my WinPhone 7.5 OS (Nokia Lumia 800) three ?times since last December when I have got purchased it - the upgrade did never fail.

"Voice recognition" - it's far from being perfect/widely applicable (e.g. to "voice type" notes or texting) yet but it understands even my English with Russian accent to dial phone numbers and to start texting using my contacts' list nicknames... (Unfortunately there is no "Russian voice recognition" option for my WinPhone 7.5 so I have had to set it using English UI...)?

Well, a "piece of salt": I'm just back from ?a short vacation trip from Finland and my Nokia Lumia 800 (designed by Nokia - Finnish Company as you know) failed to connect to the hotel, where I stayed, Wi-Fi hot-spot while my son Acer Iconia Tab A01 did connect to the same hot-spot without any issues (that could have been I was just not experienced enough to connect to Wi-Fi hot-spot ?using WinPhone 7.5 where my 11 years old son did connect via Acer Iconia Tab ?A101 without any issue but it shows(?) that MS has quite some work to do to make their WinPhones working as smoothly as their competitors devices do)...

Thank you.

-- Shamil


Thu, 12 Jul 2012 22:50:52 -0400 ?? "Mark Simms" <marksimms at verizon.net>:
 
  
  
Windows 7 Phone:
Sorry, nothing but the same...bugs, bugs, bugs.
Incredibly, after 1 year of waiting...and I FINALLY got a notice to update
my Win 7 Phone OS.
45 minutes later....it was still running.
Next day: a new notice to upgrade appeared (again) !!!
Apparently, the update process has bugs.

My huge miff: the Voice recognition dictionary has missed common words...
So when I try to text message via my super high tech noise cancelling
Bluetooth earpiece and headset....
It fails to understand: "I am here". "Here" is not in the dictionary or not
available in that context,
so it produces garbage on the screen.
Very frustrating...and even dangerous in a car.

Oh, BTW: that's my THIRD Bluetooth earpiece device...all of the others were
garbage.
Welcome to the world of "failed technology".




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Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
    

From gustav at cactus.dk  Fri Jul 13 07:12:08 2012
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2012 14:12:08 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Where to publish stuff
Message-ID: <s0002cc5.038@cactus.dk>

Hi Charlotte

Yes, why not? I felt tempted just to do it but realised that it wouldn't be right; someone from our board should be the originator for such a group.

/gustav

>>> charlotte.foust at gmail.com 13-07-12 4:20 >>>
We could start our own--Database Advisors Group!

On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 2:40 PM, Stuart McLachlan <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg>wrote:

> I'm on two.
>
> Professional Microsoft Access Developers' Network
> and
> Microsoft Access Gurus.
>
> Neither of them feel like family the way DBA lists do  though :-)
>
> --
> Stuart
>
> On 12 Jul 2012 at 9:24, Rusty Hammond wrote:
>
> > Anyone else using LinkedIn?  I'm subscribed to an Access group there and
> > it seems to work pretty well for this kind of stuff.  Ability to assign
> > moderators, comments posted to each question, ability to search, etc...
> > It's like facebook but for business and without all the junk that comes
> > with facebook (games, etc...).
> >
> > Just a thought.
> >
> > Rusty


From gustav at cactus.dk  Fri Jul 13 07:31:38 2012
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2012 14:31:38 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Svar: What to do? (was: Just Another	Old	Boys	Club)
Message-ID: <s0003158.040@cactus.dk>

Oops, sorry for the multiplied postings - our local transformer across the road had to be shut down to allow for an urgent repair of a high-voltage cable harmed by a strike hitting the neighbour farm. The mail client was not responsive, so I clicked send several times right before power cut-off.

/gustav


>>> gustav at cactus.dk 12-07-12 22:29 >>>
Hi Rusty (and Arthur)

My wife Rita has ordered one. She loves her Windows Phone 7?. She's intelligent but absolutely not a gadget-type, thus she is on par with the no-nonsense Metro interface. 


From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Jul 13 07:50:52 2012
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2012 08:50:52 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] My Pi is shipping!
Message-ID: <500019AC.3050405@colbyconsulting.com>

I just got a DHL shipping notification that it is shipping - from England.  So I should get it 
sometime...

-- 
John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it



From mcp2004 at mail.ru  Fri Jul 13 08:12:21 2012
From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=)
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2012 17:12:21 +0400
Subject: [AccessD] =?utf-8?q?Where_to_publish_stuff?=
In-Reply-To: <s0002cc5.038@cactus.dk>
References: <s0002cc5.038@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <1342185141.306187141@f3.mail.ru>

Hi Gustav --

A "Database Advisors" linked-in Group? What ?then about this Access-D and dba-VB and other of Database Advisors discussion lists?

I'm for several years in MS Access-related and other Linked-in groups, mainly "lurking" because the level on discussions/feedback isn't looking satisfactory - a lot of "noise" ?(IMO) coming from non-OT Linked-in postings (and OT messages (except job postings) are not welcomed there)...

Here in Access-D we have quite a few of off-topic threads (and I'm sorry being the one who started some off-topic threads here and participated/participating in other) still this group is the best for me concerning MS Access related stuff, and the "feeling of family" we have here is unique as Charlotte noted?...

Another very good MS Access-related list is Access-L...?

What kind of articles do you plan to publish?
Can you split them into several small parts?
I missed the beginning of this thread - did you consider using Code Project (http://www.codeproject.com/) to post your artilces?

StackOverflow is a source where IMO you can always get a qualified answer on your questions, sometimes very detailed answer comes in minutes, but StackOverflow isn't looking as a right place to post long articles/questions...

What about "Forum: Access for Developers" http://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/accessdev/threads?at MSDN's Access Developer Center -?http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/office/aa905400.aspx?? (I have never participated in it - anybody? - it could be now what were in the past ?UseNet's?microsoft.public.access.* newsgroups?)

And comp.databases.ms-access - does anybody here is (still) participating in it/using it? It was always very active and responsive especially in the first part of 90-ies when MS Access was in big favor everywhere and "everything was new with using MS Access in application development"... ( I have just found one of my postings from this group from Nov 1994 -?https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!topic/comp.databases.ms-access/jnPyljxvdjc?:) )

Thank you.

-- Shamil


Fri, 13 Jul 2012 14:12:08 +0200 ?? "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>:
 
  
  
Hi Charlotte

Yes, why not? I felt tempted just to do it but realised that it wouldn't be right; someone from our board should be the originator for such a group.

/gustav

>>> charlotte.foust at gmail.com 13-07-12 4:20 >>>
We could start our own--Database Advisors Group!

On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 2:40 PM, Stuart McLachlan <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg>wrote:

> I'm on two.
>
> Professional Microsoft Access Developers' Network
> and
> Microsoft Access Gurus.
>
> Neither of them feel like family the way DBA lists do though :-)
>
> --
> Stuart
>
> On 12 Jul 2012 at 9:24, Rusty Hammond wrote:
>
> > Anyone else using LinkedIn? I'm subscribed to an Access group there and
> > it seems to work pretty well for this kind of stuff. Ability to assign
> > moderators, comments posted to each question, ability to search, etc...
> > It's like facebook but for business and without all the junk that comes
> > with facebook (games, etc...).
> >
> > Just a thought.
> >
> > Rusty

-- 
AccessD mailing list
AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
    

From gustav at cactus.dk  Fri Jul 13 08:55:47 2012
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2012 15:55:47 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Svar: Re:  Where to publish stuff
Message-ID: <s000450d.042@cactus.dk>

Hi Shamil

There are two threads:

One on what to do to raise member count and message count on this list?
Should we move/transform the mailing list to a forum-style or group-style and how to handle the battle with noise, spam, trolls, and adds - to keep the good spirit we are used to here.
To create "an arm" of AccessD on LinkedId was a proposal.

Another about where to publish small articles of the "How to something .." style including code.
CodeProject is not dealing with Access stuff.

/gustav 

>>> mcp2004 at mail.ru 13-07-12 15:12 >>>
Hi Gustav --

A "Database Advisors" linked-in Group? What *then about this Access-D and dba-VB and other of Database Advisors discussion lists?

I'm for several years in MS Access-related and other Linked-in groups, mainly "lurking" because the level on discussions/feedback isn't looking satisfactory - a lot of "noise" *(IMO) coming from non-OT Linked-in postings (and OT messages (except job postings) are not welcomed there)...

Here in Access-D we have quite a few of off-topic threads (and I'm sorry being the one who started some off-topic threads here and participated/participating in other) still this group is the best for me concerning MS Access related stuff, and the "feeling of family" we have here is unique as Charlotte noted*...

Another very good MS Access-related list is Access-L...*

What kind of articles do you plan to publish?
Can you split them into several small parts?
I missed the beginning of this thread - did you consider using Code Project (http://www.codeproject.com/) to post your artilces?

StackOverflow is a source where IMO you can always get a qualified answer on your questions, sometimes very detailed answer comes in minutes, but StackOverflow isn't looking as a right place to post long articles/questions...

What about "Forum: Access for Developers" http://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/accessdev/threads*at MSDN's Access Developer Center -*http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/office/aa905400.aspx*? (I have never participated in it - anybody? - it could be now what were in the past *UseNet's*microsoft.public.access.* newsgroups?)

And comp.databases.ms-access - does anybody here is (still) participating in it/using it? It was always very active and responsive especially in the first part of 90-ies when MS Access was in big favor everywhere and "everything was new with using MS Access in application development"... ( I have just found one of my postings from this group from Nov 1994 -*https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!topic/comp.databases.ms-access/jnPyljxvdjc*:) )

Thank you.

-- Shamil


Fri, 13 Jul 2012 14:12:08 +0200 ?? "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>:
 
  
  
Hi Charlotte

Yes, why not? I felt tempted just to do it but realised that it wouldn't be right; someone from our board should be the originator for such a group.

/gustav

>>> charlotte.foust at gmail.com 13-07-12 4:20 >>>
We could start our own--Database Advisors Group!

On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 2:40 PM, Stuart McLachlan <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg>wrote:

> I'm on two.
>
> Professional Microsoft Access Developers' Network
> and
> Microsoft Access Gurus.
>
> Neither of them feel like family the way DBA lists do though :-)
>
> --
> Stuart
>
> On 12 Jul 2012 at 9:24, Rusty Hammond wrote:
>
> > Anyone else using LinkedIn? I'm subscribed to an Access group there and
> > it seems to work pretty well for this kind of stuff. Ability to assign
> > moderators, comments posted to each question, ability to search, etc...
> > It's like facebook but for business and without all the junk that comes
> > with facebook (games, etc...).
> >
> > Just a thought.
> >
> > Rusty


From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Jul 13 09:34:26 2012
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2012 10:34:26 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Rebuilding AccessD - was Re: Svar: Re: Where to publish
 stuff
In-Reply-To: <s000450d.042@cactus.dk>
References: <s000450d.042@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <500031F2.2030009@colbyconsulting.com>

We already have a web site / domain.  I think we should look at expanding our site.  With a 
DotnetNuke or similar system we could add modules for blogs, forums and so forth without going 
outside the company.  Keep the email list but add a forum, plus look at a more organized way to 
actually post articles and code.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it


On 7/13/2012 9:55 AM, Gustav Brock wrote:
> Hi Shamil
>
> There are two threads:
>
> One on what to do to raise member count and message count on this list?
> Should we move/transform the mailing list to a forum-style or group-style and how to handle the battle with noise, spam, trolls, and adds - to keep the good spirit we are used to here.
> To create "an arm" of AccessD on LinkedId was a proposal.
>
> Another about where to publish small articles of the "How to something .." style including code.
> CodeProject is not dealing with Access stuff.
>
> /gustav
>
>>>> mcp2004 at mail.ru 13-07-12 15:12 >>>
> Hi Gustav --
>
> A "Database Advisors" linked-in Group? What *then about this Access-D and dba-VB and other of Database Advisors discussion lists?
>
> I'm for several years in MS Access-related and other Linked-in groups, mainly "lurking" because the level on discussions/feedback isn't looking satisfactory - a lot of "noise" *(IMO) coming from non-OT Linked-in postings (and OT messages (except job postings) are not welcomed there)...
>
> Here in Access-D we have quite a few of off-topic threads (and I'm sorry being the one who started some off-topic threads here and participated/participating in other) still this group is the best for me concerning MS Access related stuff, and the "feeling of family" we have here is unique as Charlotte noted*...
>
> Another very good MS Access-related list is Access-L...*
>
> What kind of articles do you plan to publish?
> Can you split them into several small parts?
> I missed the beginning of this thread - did you consider using Code Project (http://www.codeproject.com/) to post your artilces?
>
> StackOverflow is a source where IMO you can always get a qualified answer on your questions, sometimes very detailed answer comes in minutes, but StackOverflow isn't looking as a right place to post long articles/questions...
>
> What about "Forum: Access for Developers" http://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/accessdev/threads*at MSDN's Access Developer Center -*http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/office/aa905400.aspx*? (I have never participated in it - anybody? - it could be now what were in the past *UseNet's*microsoft.public.access.* newsgroups?)
>
> And comp.databases.ms-access - does anybody here is (still) participating in it/using it? It was always very active and responsive especially in the first part of 90-ies when MS Access was in big favor everywhere and "everything was new with using MS Access in application development"... ( I have just found one of my postings from this group from Nov 1994 -*https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!topic/comp.databases.ms-access/jnPyljxvdjc*:) )
>
> Thank you.
>
> -- Shamil
>
>
> Fri, 13 Jul 2012 14:12:08 +0200 ?? "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>:
>
>
>
> Hi Charlotte
>
> Yes, why not? I felt tempted just to do it but realised that it wouldn't be right; someone from our board should be the originator for such a group.
>
> /gustav
>
>>>> charlotte.foust at gmail.com 13-07-12 4:20 >>>
> We could start our own--Database Advisors Group!
>
> On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 2:40 PM, Stuart McLachlan <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg>wrote:
>
>> I'm on two.
>>
>> Professional Microsoft Access Developers' Network
>> and
>> Microsoft Access Gurus.
>>
>> Neither of them feel like family the way DBA lists do though :-)
>>
>> --
>> Stuart
>>
>> On 12 Jul 2012 at 9:24, Rusty Hammond wrote:
>>
>>> Anyone else using LinkedIn? I'm subscribed to an Access group there and
>>> it seems to work pretty well for this kind of stuff. Ability to assign
>>> moderators, comments posted to each question, ability to search, etc...
>>> It's like facebook but for business and without all the junk that comes
>>> with facebook (games, etc...).
>>>
>>> Just a thought.
>>>
>>> Rusty
>



From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Fri Jul 13 09:46:17 2012
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2012 07:46:17 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Security Restriction Problem
Message-ID: <D285A67DD001438B881C8A036F73F51D@HAL9007>

Dear List:
 
I sent a prospect my system using Wise/Sagekey to make a run-time install.
They do not have Access, although the machine they are running it on has
Office Standard - no Access.  It ran fine being launched from the startup
icon on the desktop.
 
They then bought the system.  I sent them the .mde file of the full system,
to replace the one they were running.  The user changed the target of the
shortcut installed by the original run-time install to point to the new mde
file.  So he is still launching it from the shortcut installed by the Wise
script but with an altered target.
 
And now they get an error when they try to open it:
 
"Cannot open (path and file name here) due to security restrictions."
 
Security settings restrict access to the file because it is not digitally
signed.
 
Is there a way to get around this problem without getting a digital
signature?  I don't have time to do that right now - gotta get this guy up
and running ASAP.
 
MTIA
 
Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
858-259-4334
www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> 
www.e-z-mrp.com <http://www.e-z-mrp.com/> 
Skype: rocky.smolin
 

From charlotte.foust at gmail.com  Fri Jul 13 09:53:43 2012
From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2012 07:53:43 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Security Restriction Problem
In-Reply-To: <D285A67DD001438B881C8A036F73F51D@HAL9007>
References: <D285A67DD001438B881C8A036F73F51D@HAL9007>
Message-ID: <CAH+Met8iHn-39jQOrOEJg1k+w5o=eFNgMJG4eSm0NwoG11FOFA@mail.gmail.com>

Have him put it in the original location, fix the shortcut and see if it
runs.  Did you send him an installer with the mde?  If not, depending on
the version of windows he's running and the security settings his system
might now allow him to open anything that wasn't "installed".

Charlotte

On Fri, Jul 13, 2012 at 7:46 AM, Rocky Smolin <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>wrote:

> Dear List:
>
> I sent a prospect my system using Wise/Sagekey to make a run-time install.
> They do not have Access, although the machine they are running it on has
> Office Standard - no Access.  It ran fine being launched from the startup
> icon on the desktop.
>
> They then bought the system.  I sent them the .mde file of the full system,
> to replace the one they were running.  The user changed the target of the
> shortcut installed by the original run-time install to point to the new mde
> file.  So he is still launching it from the shortcut installed by the Wise
> script but with an altered target.
>
> And now they get an error when they try to open it:
>
> "Cannot open (path and file name here) due to security restrictions."
>
> Security settings restrict access to the file because it is not digitally
> signed.
>
> Is there a way to get around this problem without getting a digital
> signature?  I don't have time to do that right now - gotta get this guy up
> and running ASAP.
>
> MTIA
>
> Rocky Smolin
> Beach Access Software
> 858-259-4334
> www.bchacc.com
>
> <http://www.bchacc.com/
>
> >
> www.e-z-mrp.com
>
> <http://www.e-z-mrp.com/
>
> >
> Skype: rocky.smolin
>
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>
>
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>
>

From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Fri Jul 13 10:02:19 2012
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2012 08:02:19 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Security Restriction Problem
In-Reply-To: <CAH+Met8iHn-39jQOrOEJg1k+w5o=eFNgMJG4eSm0NwoG11FOFA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <D285A67DD001438B881C8A036F73F51D@HAL9007>
	<CAH+Met8iHn-39jQOrOEJg1k+w5o=eFNgMJG4eSm0NwoG11FOFA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <EBF240C890654D308288BA639CABAF3D@HAL9007>

He did copy the new mde into the same folder where the original install was
and changed the shortcut to point to the new file.  SO you think the
solution would be to uninstall the current install and for me to send his a
new .exe install scripted for the new mde.? 

Rocky


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Friday, July 13, 2012 7:54 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Security Restriction Problem

Have him put it in the original location, fix the shortcut and see if it
runs.  Did you send him an installer with the mde?  If not, depending on the
version of windows he's running and the security settings his system might
now allow him to open anything that wasn't "installed".

Charlotte

On Fri, Jul 13, 2012 at 7:46 AM, Rocky Smolin <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>wrote:

> Dear List:
>
> I sent a prospect my system using Wise/Sagekey to make a run-time install.
> They do not have Access, although the machine they are running it on 
> has Office Standard - no Access.  It ran fine being launched from the 
> startup icon on the desktop.
>
> They then bought the system.  I sent them the .mde file of the full 
> system, to replace the one they were running.  The user changed the 
> target of the shortcut installed by the original run-time install to 
> point to the new mde file.  So he is still launching it from the 
> shortcut installed by the Wise script but with an altered target.
>
> And now they get an error when they try to open it:
>
> "Cannot open (path and file name here) due to security restrictions."
>
> Security settings restrict access to the file because it is not 
> digitally signed.
>
> Is there a way to get around this problem without getting a digital 
> signature?  I don't have time to do that right now - gotta get this 
> guy up and running ASAP.
>
> MTIA
>
> Rocky Smolin
> Beach Access Software
> 858-259-4334
> www.bchacc.com
>
> <http://www.bchacc.com/
>
> >
> www.e-z-mrp.com
>
> <http://www.e-z-mrp.com/
>
> >
> Skype: rocky.smolin
>
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>
>
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>
>
--
AccessD mailing list
AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com


From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Fri Jul 13 10:08:54 2012
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2012 11:08:54 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Rebuilding AccessD - was Re: Svar: Re: Where to
	publish stuff
In-Reply-To: <500031F2.2030009@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <s000450d.042@cactus.dk>
	<500031F2.2030009@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1iLPVHmGJD9Ug8Xbs0fDpkoQTrOXvYX8DD22GP=F_aUUg@mail.gmail.com>

IMO we don't need to look to new hosts for our family project. Rather, we
need to figure out how to attract new members. Not that I have any
brilliant ideas in that regard, but I think identifying the problem is a
good beginning.

Perhaps a posting along these lines, posted in various places, might help:

"Data-Based Advisors is a site devoted to several technologies, including
MS Access, ,NET, Office VBA and MS-SQL Server. We have been in existence
for a decade or more, and our family comprises experts, intermediates and
novices.

"Many of our members are eager to provide answers to questions such as 'How
do I...?'

"We encourage you to drop in and peruse the emails (questions and their
answers). To do so, please visit http://databaseadvisors.com/ ". From
there, you can join various sub-groups and begin posting your questions and
providing answers, should you feel so inclined.

"Unlike similar sites, DataBaseAdvisors has developed, over the years of
its existence, a genuine sense of family. You will see interchanges between
colleagues who have obviously known each other for years; but that is not
an elitist thing, not at all. We are a friendly crew and most willing to
invite new people into our family, and to share insights, solutions, and
problems."

Where to post such a message remains a question. I will volunteer to post
it on the Google+ Access Gurus space, once at least a second pair of eyes
has visited the proposed content and vetted/corrected it. I will also add a
post to my blogspot concerning same. I only have a few subscribers, but
many more visits.

One final thing: I am in transition regarding my internet provider.
Hopefully, by the end of next week the transition will be complete, at
which point I shall have the ability to host a web site, and I'm
considering devoting some portion of it to the task of providing a place
for articles on Access and various other technologies.

-- 
Arthur
Cell: 647.710.1314

Beauty has no obvious use; nor is there any clear cultural necessity for
it. Yet civilization could not do without it.

-- SIGMUND FREUD, Civilization and Its Discontents

From mcp2004 at mail.ru  Fri Jul 13 10:14:39 2012
From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=)
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2012 19:14:39 +0400
Subject: [AccessD] =?utf-8?q?Svar=3A_Re=3A__Where_to_publish_stuff?=
In-Reply-To: <s000450d.042@cactus.dk>
References: <s000450d.042@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <1342192479.549142689@f326.mail.ru>

Hi Gustav --

Sorry I missed the beginning of this discussion thread.

1st thread:

As I noted I'm a bit?skeptical?about Linked-In...

As far as I see "Forum: Access for Developers" (http://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/accessdev/threads?sort=firstpostdesc) ?from MSDN is looking rather active - ?just an idea - if possible I'd automatically watch for and relay that forum's questions into (a new) "Access-D(-MSDN)" list to discuss them here to collectively find the best reply/solution and then to "charge" the author of that best reply to post an answer on MSDN forum with the link to Access-D original or just with the note in reply signature:

"(put your signature here)" ?- Access-D member

2nd thread:

I'd still post "How to something..." on Access-D site, or on MSDN blog (blogs.msdn.com) or on your own site...

The latter option seems to be preferable, and you can publish the same "How to..." articles on both MSDN blog and Access-D site.

Thank you.

-- Shamil


Fri, 13 Jul 2012 15:55:47 +0200 ?? "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>:
 
  
  
Hi Shamil

There are two threads:

One on what to do to raise member count and message count on this list?
Should we move/transform the mailing list to a forum-style or group-style and how to handle the battle with noise, spam, trolls, and adds - to keep the good spirit we are used to here.
To create "an arm" of AccessD on LinkedId was a proposal.

Another about where to publish small articles of the "How to something .." style including code.
CodeProject is not dealing with Access stuff.

/gustav 

>>> mcp2004 at mail.ru 13-07-12 15:12 >>>
Hi Gustav --

A "Database Advisors" linked-in Group? What *then about this Access-D and dba-VB and other of Database Advisors discussion lists?

I'm for several years in MS Access-related and other Linked-in groups, mainly "lurking" because the level on discussions/feedback isn't looking satisfactory - a lot of "noise" *(IMO) coming from non-OT Linked-in postings (and OT messages (except job postings) are not welcomed there)...

Here in Access-D we have quite a few of off-topic threads (and I'm sorry being the one who started some off-topic threads here and participated/participating in other) still this group is the best for me concerning MS Access related stuff, and the "feeling of family" we have here is unique as Charlotte noted*...

Another very good MS Access-related list is Access-L...*

What kind of articles do you plan to publish?
Can you split them into several small parts?
I missed the beginning of this thread - did you consider using Code Project (http://www.codeproject.com/) to post your artilces?

StackOverflow is a source where IMO you can always get a qualified answer on your questions, sometimes very detailed answer comes in minutes, but StackOverflow isn't looking as a right place to post long articles/questions...

What about "Forum: Access for Developers" http://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/accessdev/threads*at MSDN's Access Developer Center -*http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/office/aa905400.aspx*? (I have never participated in it - anybody? - it could be now what were in the past *UseNet's*microsoft.public.access.* newsgroups?)

And comp.databases.ms-access - does anybody here is (still) participating in it/using it? It was always very active and responsive especially in the first part of 90-ies when MS Access was in big favor everywhere and "everything was new with using MS Access in application development"... ( I have just found one of my postings from this group from Nov 1994 -*https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!topic/comp.databases.ms-access/jnPyljxvdjc*:) )

Thank you.

-- Shamil


Fri, 13 Jul 2012 14:12:08 +0200 ?? "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>:
?
??
??
Hi Charlotte

Yes, why not? I felt tempted just to do it but realised that it wouldn't be right; someone from our board should be the originator for such a group.

/gustav

>>> charlotte.foust at gmail.com 13-07-12 4:20 >>>
We could start our own--Database Advisors Group!

On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 2:40 PM, Stuart McLachlan <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg>wrote:

> I'm on two.
>
> Professional Microsoft Access Developers' Network
> and
> Microsoft Access Gurus.
>
> Neither of them feel like family the way DBA lists do though :-)
>
> --
> Stuart
>
> On 12 Jul 2012 at 9:24, Rusty Hammond wrote:
>
> > Anyone else using LinkedIn? I'm subscribed to an Access group there and
> > it seems to work pretty well for this kind of stuff. Ability to assign
> > moderators, comments posted to each question, ability to search, etc...
> > It's like facebook but for business and without all the junk that comes
> > with facebook (games, etc...).
> >
> > Just a thought.
> >
> > Rusty

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From delam at zyterra.com  Fri Jul 13 10:37:45 2012
From: delam at zyterra.com (Debbie)
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2012 10:37:45 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Where to publish stuff
In-Reply-To: <1342185141.306187141@f3.mail.ru>
References: <s0002cc5.038@cactus.dk> <1342185141.306187141@f3.mail.ru>
Message-ID: <DAF18318-9D9E-45E3-B281-093E9E23BD9A@zyterra.com>

Sadly, if we switched formats, I would probably rarely visit. The email format works for me, the list format does not except for specific questions. 

Without the regular updates via email, I will probably loose touch with the people behind the answers which is something I like a lot about access D. 

Debbie

Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 13, 2012, at 8:12 AM, Salakhetdinov Shamil <mcp2004 at mail.ru> wrote:

> Hi Gustav --
> 
> A "Database Advisors" linked-in Group? What  then about this Access-D and dba-VB and other of Database Advisors discussion lists?
> 
> I'm for several years in MS Access-related and other Linked-in groups, mainly "lurking" because the level on discussions/feedback isn't looking satisfactory - a lot of "noise"  (IMO) coming from non-OT Linked-in postings (and OT messages (except job postings) are not welcomed there)...
> 
> Here in Access-D we have quite a few of off-topic threads (and I'm sorry being the one who started some off-topic threads here and participated/participating in other) still this group is the best for me concerning MS Access related stuff, and the "feeling of family" we have here is unique as Charlotte noted ...
> 
> Another very good MS Access-related list is Access-L... 
> 
> What kind of articles do you plan to publish?
> Can you split them into several small parts?
> I missed the beginning of this thread - did you consider using Code Project (http://www.codeproject.com/) to post your artilces?
> 
> StackOverflow is a source where IMO you can always get a qualified answer on your questions, sometimes very detailed answer comes in minutes, but StackOverflow isn't looking as a right place to post long articles/questions...
> 
> What about "Forum: Access for Developers" http://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/accessdev/threads at MSDN's Access Developer Center - http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/office/aa905400.aspx ? (I have never participated in it - anybody? - it could be now what were in the past  UseNet's microsoft.public.access.* newsgroups?)
> 
> And comp.databases.ms-access - does anybody here is (still) participating in it/using it? It was always very active and responsive especially in the first part of 90-ies when MS Access was in big favor everywhere and "everything was new with using MS Access in application development"... ( I have just found one of my postings from this group from Nov 1994 - https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!topic/comp.databases.ms-access/jnPyljxvdjc :) )
> 
> Thank you.
> 
> -- Shamil
> 
> 
> Fri, 13 Jul 2012 14:12:08 +0200 ?? "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>:
> 
> 
> 
> Hi Charlotte
> 
> Yes, why not? I felt tempted just to do it but realised that it wouldn't be right; someone from our board should be the originator for such a group.
> 
> /gustav
> 
>>>> charlotte.foust at gmail.com 13-07-12 4:20 >>>
> We could start our own--Database Advisors Group!
> 
> On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 2:40 PM, Stuart McLachlan <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg>wrote:
> 
>> I'm on two.
>> 
>> Professional Microsoft Access Developers' Network
>> and
>> Microsoft Access Gurus.
>> 
>> Neither of them feel like family the way DBA lists do though :-)
>> 
>> --
>> Stuart
>> 
>> On 12 Jul 2012 at 9:24, Rusty Hammond wrote:
>> 
>>> Anyone else using LinkedIn? I'm subscribed to an Access group there and
>>> it seems to work pretty well for this kind of stuff. Ability to assign
>>> moderators, comments posted to each question, ability to search, etc...
>>> It's like facebook but for business and without all the junk that comes
>>> with facebook (games, etc...).
>>> 
>>> Just a thought.
>>> 
>>> Rusty
> 
> -- 
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 
> -- 
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com


From Elizabeth.J.Doering at wellsfargo.com  Fri Jul 13 10:57:56 2012
From: Elizabeth.J.Doering at wellsfargo.com (Elizabeth.J.Doering at wellsfargo.com)
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2012 10:57:56 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Where to publish stuff
In-Reply-To: <DAF18318-9D9E-45E3-B281-093E9E23BD9A@zyterra.com>
References: <s0002cc5.038@cactus.dk> <1342185141.306187141@f3.mail.ru>
	<DAF18318-9D9E-45E3-B281-093E9E23BD9A@zyterra.com>
Message-ID: <4838EC790FF778449985FC3B8A47F8715C070BE929@MSGCMSV21011.ent.wfb.bank.corp>

I concur.  

I haven't contributed as much as I would have liked over the years, usually because someone had a smarter answer while I was still scratching my head.  But I doubt I would seek out a website to visit regularly, and I love having the ongoing conversations arrive in my email.

Thanks, 
       
Liz



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Debbie
Sent: Friday, July 13, 2012 10:38 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Where to publish stuff

Sadly, if we switched formats, I would probably rarely visit. The email format works for me, the list format does not except for specific questions. 

Without the regular updates via email, I will probably loose touch with the people behind the answers which is something I like a lot about access D. 

Debbie

Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 13, 2012, at 8:12 AM, Salakhetdinov Shamil <mcp2004 at mail.ru> wrote:

> Hi Gustav --
> 
> A "Database Advisors" linked-in Group? What  then about this Access-D and dba-VB and other of Database Advisors discussion lists?
> 
> I'm for several years in MS Access-related and other Linked-in groups, mainly "lurking" because the level on discussions/feedback isn't looking satisfactory - a lot of "noise"  (IMO) coming from non-OT Linked-in postings (and OT messages (except job postings) are not welcomed there)...
> 
> Here in Access-D we have quite a few of off-topic threads (and I'm sorry being the one who started some off-topic threads here and participated/participating in other) still this group is the best for me concerning MS Access related stuff, and the "feeling of family" we have here is unique as Charlotte noted ...
> 
> Another very good MS Access-related list is Access-L... 
> 
> What kind of articles do you plan to publish?
> Can you split them into several small parts?
> I missed the beginning of this thread - did you consider using Code Project (http://www.codeproject.com/) to post your artilces?
> 
> StackOverflow is a source where IMO you can always get a qualified answer on your questions, sometimes very detailed answer comes in minutes, but StackOverflow isn't looking as a right place to post long articles/questions...
> 
> What about "Forum: Access for Developers" http://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/accessdev/threads at MSDN's Access Developer Center - http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/office/aa905400.aspx ? (I have never participated in it - anybody? - it could be now what were in the past  UseNet's microsoft.public.access.* newsgroups?)
> 
> And comp.databases.ms-access - does anybody here is (still) participating in it/using it? It was always very active and responsive especially in the first part of 90-ies when MS Access was in big favor everywhere and "everything was new with using MS Access in application development"... ( I have just found one of my postings from this group from Nov 1994 - https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!topic/comp.databases.ms-access/jnPyljxvdjc :) )
> 
> Thank you.
> 
> -- Shamil
> 
> 
> Fri, 13 Jul 2012 14:12:08 +0200 ?? "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>:
> 
> 
> 
> Hi Charlotte
> 
> Yes, why not? I felt tempted just to do it but realised that it wouldn't be right; someone from our board should be the originator for such a group.
> 
> /gustav
> 
>>>> charlotte.foust at gmail.com 13-07-12 4:20 >>>
> We could start our own--Database Advisors Group!
> 
> On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 2:40 PM, Stuart McLachlan <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg>wrote:
> 
>> I'm on two.
>> 
>> Professional Microsoft Access Developers' Network
>> and
>> Microsoft Access Gurus.
>> 
>> Neither of them feel like family the way DBA lists do though :-)
>> 
>> --
>> Stuart
>> 
>> On 12 Jul 2012 at 9:24, Rusty Hammond wrote:
>> 
>>> Anyone else using LinkedIn? I'm subscribed to an Access group there and
>>> it seems to work pretty well for this kind of stuff. Ability to assign
>>> moderators, comments posted to each question, ability to search, etc...
>>> It's like facebook but for business and without all the junk that comes
>>> with facebook (games, etc...).
>>> 
>>> Just a thought.
>>> 
>>> Rusty
> 
> -- 


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From gustav at cactus.dk  Fri Jul 13 11:21:19 2012
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2012 18:21:19 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Where to publish stuff
Message-ID: <s0006742.051@cactus.dk>

Hi all

Now who would have believed that? Debbie and Elizabeth, still lurking.
Nice to hear from you!

I think we see the message. The daily e-mails pop in and you can leave them or read them just like that without going to a website, log in and so on. Very efficient. I like that too.

But don't some forum software have the option to e-mail you all postings? Thus doubling as a mail list. Could be the best of both worlds.

/gustav


>>> Elizabeth.J.Doering at wellsfargo.com 13-07-12 17:57 >>>
I concur.  

I haven't contributed as much as I would have liked over the years, usually because someone had a smarter answer while I was still scratching my head.  But I doubt I would seek out a website to visit regularly, and I love having the ongoing conversations arrive in my email.

Thanks, 
       
Liz



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Debbie
Sent: Friday, July 13, 2012 10:38 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Where to publish stuff

Sadly, if we switched formats, I would probably rarely visit. The email format works for me, the list format does not except for specific questions. 

Without the regular updates via email, I will probably loose touch with the people behind the answers which is something I like a lot about access D. 

Debbie


From accessd at shaw.ca  Fri Jul 13 12:04:50 2012
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2012 10:04:50 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Where to publish stuff
In-Reply-To: <4838EC790FF778449985FC3B8A47F8715C070BE929@MSGCMSV21011.ent.wfb.bank.corp>
References: <s0002cc5.038@cactus.dk>
	<1342185141.306187141@f3.mail.ru><DAF18318-9D9E-45E3-B281-093E9E23BD9A@zyterra.com>
	<4838EC790FF778449985FC3B8A47F8715C070BE929@MSGCMSV21011.ent.wfb.bank.corp>
Message-ID: <3A103116BC4E46008CA1CCA6343BF938@creativesystemdesigns.com>

I agree.

I like the way the email system works. 

I do not think there is any easy fix, like migrating to one social site or
another. Each poses their own series of issues and their issues are not ones
we can resolve; after all these sites are designed to make money. I am not
sure I want to become a product for a large corporation. I have been running
my own company for too many years to go working for someone else. 

The DatabaseAdvisors domain name is at the top of many Google searches as it
have been available for so many years. But the web site, has not been
updated or additional content added in years as keeping the site fresh can
be a full time job, especially for a single person and the amount of work to
rebuild the site is a little daunting to say the least. 

IMHO, there are three points that should to be addressed. 

1. Design a fresh face to the DBA website; make it look like the new Win8,
if you like...even add tablet features. The following link does not suggest
a preference to "Ford" products but it does suggest a sample of what a new
site could look like:

http://www.ford.com/technology/sync/
 
2. Add additional material to the site and keep the current material fresh.
There have been many great collections of "How to" posts added in the past
and even recently. Some of the best could be used as articles?... There are
so many new technologies and articles that can be added. The site could be
broken up similar to our list along with a few additions.
 
3. Build a easier interface so new users can join, without going through the
IKEA assembly challenge.

The downside is that it is going to take work and there is so much to clean
up. Renovating a historical website, like a house of similar ilk will not be
without challenges 

OTOH, IMO, if these issues are addressed and resolved, membership will not
be a problem.

Any other thoughts or ideas?

Jim
 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Elizabeth.J.Doering at wellsfargo.com
Sent: Friday, July 13, 2012 8:58 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Where to publish stuff

I concur.  

I haven't contributed as much as I would have liked over the years, usually
because someone had a smarter answer while I was still scratching my head.
But I doubt I would seek out a website to visit regularly, and I love having
the ongoing conversations arrive in my email.

Thanks, 
       
Liz



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Debbie
Sent: Friday, July 13, 2012 10:38 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Where to publish stuff

Sadly, if we switched formats, I would probably rarely visit. The email
format works for me, the list format does not except for specific questions.


Without the regular updates via email, I will probably loose touch with the
people behind the answers which is something I like a lot about access D. 

Debbie

Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 13, 2012, at 8:12 AM, Salakhetdinov Shamil <mcp2004 at mail.ru> wrote:

> Hi Gustav --
> 
> A "Database Advisors" linked-in Group? What  then about this Access-D and
dba-VB and other of Database Advisors discussion lists?
> 
> I'm for several years in MS Access-related and other Linked-in groups,
mainly "lurking" because the level on discussions/feedback isn't looking
satisfactory - a lot of "noise"  (IMO) coming from non-OT Linked-in postings
(and OT messages (except job postings) are not welcomed there)...
> 
> Here in Access-D we have quite a few of off-topic threads (and I'm sorry
being the one who started some off-topic threads here and
participated/participating in other) still this group is the best for me
concerning MS Access related stuff, and the "feeling of family" we have here
is unique as Charlotte noted ...
> 
> Another very good MS Access-related list is Access-L... 
> 
> What kind of articles do you plan to publish?
> Can you split them into several small parts?
> I missed the beginning of this thread - did you consider using Code
Project (http://www.codeproject.com/) to post your artilces?
> 
> StackOverflow is a source where IMO you can always get a qualified answer
on your questions, sometimes very detailed answer comes in minutes, but
StackOverflow isn't looking as a right place to post long
articles/questions...
> 
> What about "Forum: Access for Developers"
http://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/accessdev/threads at MSDN's
Access Developer Center -
http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/office/aa905400.aspx ? (I have never
participated in it - anybody? - it could be now what were in the past
UseNet's microsoft.public.access.* newsgroups?)
> 
> And comp.databases.ms-access - does anybody here is (still) participating
in it/using it? It was always very active and responsive especially in the
first part of 90-ies when MS Access was in big favor everywhere and
"everything was new with using MS Access in application development"... ( I
have just found one of my postings from this group from Nov 1994 -
https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!topic/comp.databases.ms-access/
jnPyljxvdjc :) )
> 
> Thank you.
> 
> -- Shamil
> 
> 
> Fri, 13 Jul 2012 14:12:08 +0200 ?? "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>:
> 
> 
> 
> Hi Charlotte
> 
> Yes, why not? I felt tempted just to do it but realised that it wouldn't
be right; someone from our board should be the originator for such a group.
> 
> /gustav
> 
>>>> charlotte.foust at gmail.com 13-07-12 4:20 >>>
> We could start our own--Database Advisors Group!
> 
> On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 2:40 PM, Stuart McLachlan
<stuart at lexacorp.com.pg>wrote:
> 
>> I'm on two.
>> 
>> Professional Microsoft Access Developers' Network
>> and
>> Microsoft Access Gurus.
>> 
>> Neither of them feel like family the way DBA lists do though :-)
>> 
>> --
>> Stuart
>> 
>> On 12 Jul 2012 at 9:24, Rusty Hammond wrote:
>> 
>>> Anyone else using LinkedIn? I'm subscribed to an Access group there and
>>> it seems to work pretty well for this kind of stuff. Ability to assign
>>> moderators, comments posted to each question, ability to search, etc...
>>> It's like facebook but for business and without all the junk that comes
>>> with facebook (games, etc...).
>>> 
>>> Just a thought.
>>> 
>>> Rusty
> 
> -- 


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From michael at mattysconsulting.com  Fri Jul 13 12:05:35 2012
From: michael at mattysconsulting.com (Michael Mattys)
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2012 13:05:35 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Where to publish stuff
In-Reply-To: <s0006742.051@cactus.dk>
References: <s0006742.051@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <00d501cd6119$b904f940$2b0eebc0$@mattysconsulting.com>

I've signed up for some Linked-In sites and they send regular email all day
long.
Shamil has already very kindly stated the same reservations I have.

We'd need some people to remove spam, people who know our participants and
can distinguish between "unwanted" and "Off-Key/OT."
I just might volunteer for that position.

Michael R Mattys
Mattys Consulting, LLC
www.mattysconsulting.com



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Friday, July 13, 2012 12:21 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Where to publish stuff

Hi all

Now who would have believed that? Debbie and Elizabeth, still lurking.
Nice to hear from you!

I think we see the message. The daily e-mails pop in and you can leave them
or read them just like that without going to a website, log in and so on.
Very efficient. I like that too.

But don't some forum software have the option to e-mail you all postings?
Thus doubling as a mail list. Could be the best of both worlds.

/gustav


>>> Elizabeth.J.Doering at wellsfargo.com 13-07-12 17:57 >>>
I concur.  

I haven't contributed as much as I would have liked over the years, usually
because someone had a smarter answer while I was still scratching my head.
But I doubt I would seek out a website to visit regularly, and I love having
the ongoing conversations arrive in my email.

Thanks, 
       
Liz



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Debbie
Sent: Friday, July 13, 2012 10:38 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Where to publish stuff

Sadly, if we switched formats, I would probably rarely visit. The email
format works for me, the list format does not except for specific questions.


Without the regular updates via email, I will probably loose touch with the
people behind the answers which is something I like a lot about access D. 

Debbie

-- 
AccessD mailing list
AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com


From mcp2004 at mail.ru  Fri Jul 13 15:14:59 2012
From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=)
Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2012 00:14:59 +0400
Subject: [AccessD] =?utf-8?q?Where_to_publish_stuff?=
In-Reply-To: <3A103116BC4E46008CA1CCA6343BF938@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <s0002cc5.038@cactus.dk>
	<4838EC790FF778449985FC3B8A47F8715C070BE929@MSGCMSV21011.ent.wfb.bank.corp>
	<3A103116BC4E46008CA1CCA6343BF938@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <1342210499.188628686@f113.mail.ru>

HI Jim and All --

I like the way email systems work too.

As for the DatabaseAdvisors discussions lists/forums/blogs/articles/... new engine - here DotNetNuke (http://www.dotnetnuke.com) could be used IMO - it has many useful advanced CMS features free (from its community edition) out-of-the-box. It has mobile UI /skin automatic switching feature but is it available for free or not - that have to be checked. Being an ASP.NET-driven CMS engine and built using modular principle DNN looks like being ready to get its web sites shaped in tablet/Metro-style friendly skins...?

And as we all here seems to be getting more and more busy with our businesses having left less and less time with doing "free stuff" I'd propose to find a DNN skins designer to make the new DatabaseAdvisor site skin and pay for that work together whatever sum an Access-D member can afford - when that DNN skin is ready then DotNetNuke setup on a hosting site as e.g. PowerDNN is as well as?moving old DatabaseAdvisors site stuff to the new one wouldn't be a very time consuming issue...

DNN forums do have a feature to e-mail new posts as well as replies of the threads you've got interested/participated in etc.?

I cannot say I consider DNN a perfect solution but it looks like an "optimal solution" in DatabaseAdvisors group current context.

Thank you.

-- Shamil


Fri, 13 Jul 2012 10:04:50 -0700 ?? "Jim Lawrence" <accessd at shaw.ca>:
I agree.

I like the way the email system works. 

I do not think there is any easy fix, like migrating to one social site or
another. Each poses their own series of issues and their issues are not ones
we can resolve; after all these sites are designed to make money. I am not
sure I want to become a product for a large corporation. I have been running
my own company for too many years to go working for someone else. 

The DatabaseAdvisors domain name is at the top of many Google searches as it
have been available for so many years. But the web site, has not been
updated or additional content added in years as keeping the site fresh can
be a full time job, especially for a single person and the amount of work to
rebuild the site is a little daunting to say the least. 

IMHO, there are three points that should to be addressed. 

1. Design a fresh face to the DBA website; make it look like the new Win8,
if you like...even add tablet features. The following link does not suggest
a preference to "Ford" products but it does suggest a sample of what a new
site could look like:

http://www.ford.com/technology/sync/

2. Add additional material to the site and keep the current material fresh.
There have been many great collections of "How to" posts added in the past
and even recently. Some of the best could be used as articles?... There are
so many new technologies and articles that can be added. The site could be
broken up similar to our list along with a few additions.

3. Build a easier interface so new users can join, without going through the
IKEA assembly challenge.

The downside is that it is going to take work and there is so much to clean
up. Renovating a historical website, like a house of similar ilk will not be
without challenges 

OTOH, IMO, if these issues are addressed and resolved, membership will not
be a problem.

Any other thoughts or ideas?

Jim
<<< skipped >>>


From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Jul 13 15:56:08 2012
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2012 16:56:08 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] And we believe in the stock market?
Message-ID: <50008B68.6090407@colbyconsulting.com>

MSNBC Headline:

Don't look to China to save the economy this time

Analysis: China's rapid-fire economy is slowing down, at a bad time: Europe is in recession and the 
U.S. recovery is stalling.

IMMEDIATELY UNDERNEATH THIS HEADLINE:

Ghost towns show China's downturn

AND

Dow surges 204 on economic optimism


Does anyone out there want some shares in a solid gold bridge in San Francisco?

;)

-- 
John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it



From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Fri Jul 13 16:01:33 2012
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2012 17:01:33 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Where to publish stuff
In-Reply-To: <1342210499.188628686@f113.mail.ru>
References: <s0002cc5.038@cactus.dk>
	<4838EC790FF778449985FC3B8A47F8715C070BE929@MSGCMSV21011.ent.wfb.bank.corp>
	<3A103116BC4E46008CA1CCA6343BF938@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<1342210499.188628686@f113.mail.ru>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1gRQWNZR_Wp6UO47hiY8zi1NpgwpMNR_-mA9hBtgzGYbw@mail.gmail.com>

I'd be interested in seeing this happen, if only because I have never
figured out despite several attempts how to make DNN work.

A.

On Fri, Jul 13, 2012 at 4:14 PM, Salakhetdinov Shamil <mcp2004 at mail.ru>wrote:

> HI Jim and All --
>
> I like the way email systems work too.
>
> As for the DatabaseAdvisors discussions lists/forums/blogs/articles/...
> new engine - here DotNetNuke (http://www.dotnetnuke.com) could be used
> IMO - it has many useful advanced CMS features free (from its community
> edition) out-of-the-box. It has mobile UI /skin automatic switching feature
> but is it available for free or not - that have to be checked. Being an
> ASP.NET-driven CMS engine and built using modular principle DNN looks like
> being ready to get its web sites shaped in tablet/Metro-style friendly
> skins...
>
> And as we all here seems to be getting more and more busy with our
> businesses having left less and less time with doing "free stuff" I'd
> propose to find a DNN skins designer to make the new DatabaseAdvisor site
> skin and pay for that work together whatever sum an Access-D member can
> afford - when that DNN skin is ready then DotNetNuke setup on a hosting
> site as e.g. PowerDNN is as well as moving old DatabaseAdvisors site stuff
> to the new one wouldn't be a very time consuming issue...
>
> DNN forums do have a feature to e-mail new posts as well as replies of the
> threads you've got interested/participated in etc.
>
> I cannot say I consider DNN a perfect solution but it looks like an
> "optimal solution" in DatabaseAdvisors group current context.
>
> Thank you.
>
> -- Shamil
>
>
>

From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Fri Jul 13 16:15:30 2012
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2012 17:15:30 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] And we believe in the stock market?
In-Reply-To: <50008B68.6090407@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <50008B68.6090407@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1jF7JY7v3hfuRJNrry+KFuBPy=TDRP6J_vywjnuW4Ea1Q@mail.gmail.com>

I could launch off on several different sub-threads here, drawing insights
from Soros, Krugman, Chomsky, and even, going way back, Adam Smith.

Let's suffice for the moment with this:

There is no such institution as "Too Big to Fail." The essence of
capitalism is "Fork You if You Fail." If we want a capitalist economy, then
NO bailouts. End of story. To invest is to take risks. Suffer the
consequences for your bad decisions. Don't expect mom 'n' pop to bail you
out.

Go ahead: export all the US jobs to China or Mexico, and then belly-ache
because the unemployment rate is so high that no one can afford these
imported goods.

It's time for a revolution, and I think that the USA is growing ripe for
just such an overthrow of the status quo. (Canada's concentration of wealth
is even more concentrated, but we are wimps and less likely to take the
obvious actions.)

I'm not against free trade, but on the other hand I think that it's time
the unions went multi-national too, in parallel with their masters, the
multinational corporations. To wit, everyone in every country working the
same job should be paid identical wages, so there would be no point in
exporting jobs to China or Mexico or wherever. Then, and only then, we
might get somewhere in our battle to prevent the corporations from
exporting jobs to the Third World.

A.

From marksimms at verizon.net  Fri Jul 13 16:38:08 2012
From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms)
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2012 17:38:08 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] And we believe in the stock market?
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1jF7JY7v3hfuRJNrry+KFuBPy=TDRP6J_vywjnuW4Ea1Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <50008B68.6090407@colbyconsulting.com>
	<CAEPJO1jF7JY7v3hfuRJNrry+KFuBPy=TDRP6J_vywjnuW4Ea1Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <01b001cd613f$cbd4b080$637e1180$@net>

Tech outsourcing is corporate America's "Dirty Little Secret".

John - that's why the market is going up....THEY are making great
profits....at OUR expense.




From dw-murphy at cox.net  Fri Jul 13 16:42:27 2012
From: dw-murphy at cox.net (Doug Murphy)
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2012 14:42:27 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Security Restriction Problem
In-Reply-To: <D285A67DD001438B881C8A036F73F51D@HAL9007>
References: <D285A67DD001438B881C8A036F73F51D@HAL9007>
Message-ID: <00d601cd6140$6beabec0$43c03c40$@cox.net>

Rocky,

The Sagekey scripts use an intermediate file called runaccess.exe to open
your actual access file. If you change the extension then runacces.exe.
RunAccess.exe requires the full path to the access runtime that sagekey
scripts install and your file. RunAccess.exe takes care of setting the
registry so access doesn't try to open in your version the next time they
open an access file and other little features that MS so kindly added.

Doug

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Friday, July 13, 2012 7:46 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Security Restriction Problem

Dear List:
 
I sent a prospect my system using Wise/Sagekey to make a run-time install.
They do not have Access, although the machine they are running it on has
Office Standard - no Access.  It ran fine being launched from the startup
icon on the desktop.
 
They then bought the system.  I sent them the .mde file of the full system,
to replace the one they were running.  The user changed the target of the
shortcut installed by the original run-time install to point to the new mde
file.  So he is still launching it from the shortcut installed by the Wise
script but with an altered target.
 
And now they get an error when they try to open it:
 
"Cannot open (path and file name here) due to security restrictions."
 
Security settings restrict access to the file because it is not digitally
signed.
 
Is there a way to get around this problem without getting a digital
signature?  I don't have time to do that right now - gotta get this guy up
and running ASAP.
 
MTIA
 
Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
858-259-4334
www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> www.e-z-mrp.com
<http://www.e-z-mrp.com/>
Skype: rocky.smolin
 
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From jimdettman at verizon.net  Fri Jul 13 16:47:38 2012
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2012 17:47:38 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT - And we believe in the stock market?
In-Reply-To: <50008B68.6090407@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <50008B68.6090407@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <A3A6C775CB624828A53D66C8FEA05CB0@XPS>


 Don't you love it<g>

  Better yet, all the senators and congressmen getting on their high horses
about how the Olympic committee should be ashamed because they bought
uniforms mfg in China.

  Ah wake up senators and congressmen, but just about everything is made in
Asia these days and the textile and garment industries moved out of the US
decades ago.  I bet if you asked them to check their labels, you'd be hard
pressed to find anyone in the room wearing "Made in USA".

  But that wasn't even the most ironic; one of the statements was "The
Olympic team should be supporting their country".   The response from the
Olympic Committee?

"Unlike most Olympic teams around the world, the U.S. Olympic Team is
*privately* funded and we're grateful for the support of our sponsors. We're
proud of our partnership with Ralph Lauren, an iconic American company, and
excited to watch America's finest athletes compete at the upcoming Games in
London."

  They should support us but the USA doesn't support its own Olympic team?
I loved it!

  What idiots.  No wonder the country is in such a mess.

Jim.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Friday, July 13, 2012 04:56 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] And we believe in the stock market?

MSNBC Headline:

Don't look to China to save the economy this time

Analysis: China's rapid-fire economy is slowing down, at a bad time: Europe
is in recession and the 
U.S. recovery is stalling.

IMMEDIATELY UNDERNEATH THIS HEADLINE:

Ghost towns show China's downturn

AND

Dow surges 204 on economic optimism


Does anyone out there want some shares in a solid gold bridge in San
Francisco?

;)

-- 
John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it


-- 
AccessD mailing list
AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com


From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Fri Jul 13 17:18:47 2012
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2012 08:18:47 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Where to publish stuff
In-Reply-To: <DAF18318-9D9E-45E3-B281-093E9E23BD9A@zyterra.com>
References: <s0002cc5.038@cactus.dk>, <1342185141.306187141@f3.mail.ru>,
	<DAF18318-9D9E-45E3-B281-093E9E23BD9A@zyterra.com>
Message-ID: <50009EC7.2850.28308D44@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

I agree.  I still like this format.

-- 
Stuart

On 13 Jul 2012 at 10:37, Debbie wrote:

> Sadly, if we switched formats, I would probably rarely visit. The email format works for me, the list format does not except for specific questions. 
> 
> Without the regular updates via email, I will probably loose touch with the people behind the answers which is something I like a lot about access D. 
> 
> Debbie
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Jul 13, 2012, at 8:12 AM, Salakhetdinov Shamil <mcp2004 at mail.ru> wrote:
> 
> > Hi Gustav --
> > 
> > A "Database Advisors" linked-in Group? What  then about this Access-D and dba-VB and other of Database Advisors discussion lists?
> > 
> > I'm for several years in MS Access-related and other Linked-in groups, mainly "lurking" because the level on discussions/feedback isn't looking satisfactory - a lot of "noise"  (IMO) coming from non-OT Linked-in postings (and OT messages (except job postings) are not welcomed there)...
> > 
> > Here in Access-D we have quite a few of off-topic threads (and I'm sorry being the one who started some off-topic threads here and participated/participating in other) still this group is the best for me concerning MS Access related stuff, and the "feeling of family" we have here is unique as Charlotte noted ...
> > 
> > Another very good MS Access-related list is Access-L... 
> > 
> > What kind of articles do you plan to publish?
> > Can you split them into several small parts?
> > I missed the beginning of this thread - did you consider using Code Project (http://www.codeproject.com/) to post your artilces?
> > 
> > StackOverflow is a source where IMO you can always get a qualified answer on your questions, sometimes very detailed answer comes in minutes, but StackOverflow isn't looking as a right place to post long articles/questions...
> > 
> > What about "Forum: Access for Developers" http://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/accessdev/threads at MSDN's Access Developer Center - http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/office/aa905400.aspx ? (I have never participated in it - anybody? - it could be now what were in the past  UseNet's microsoft.public.access.* newsgroups?)
> > 
> > And comp.databases.ms-access - does anybody here is (still) participating in it/using it? It was always very active and responsive especially in the first part of 90-ies when MS Access was in big favor everywhere and "everything was new with using MS Access in application development"... ( I have just found one of my postings from this group from Nov 1994 - https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!topic/comp.databases.ms-access/jnPyljxvdjc :) )
> > 
> > Thank you.
> > 
> > -- Shamil
> > 
> > 
> > Fri, 13 Jul 2012 14:12:08 +0200  "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>:
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Hi Charlotte
> > 
> > Yes, why not? I felt tempted just to do it but realised that it wouldn't be right; someone from our board should be the originator for such a group.
> > 
> > /gustav
> > 
> >>>> charlotte.foust at gmail.com 13-07-12 4:20 >>>
> > We could start our own--Database Advisors Group!
> > 
> > On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 2:40 PM, Stuart McLachlan <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg>wrote:
> > 
> >> I'm on two.
> >> 
> >> Professional Microsoft Access Developers' Network
> >> and
> >> Microsoft Access Gurus.
> >> 
> >> Neither of them feel like family the way DBA lists do though :-)
> >> 
> >> --
> >> Stuart
> >> 
> >> On 12 Jul 2012 at 9:24, Rusty Hammond wrote:
> >> 
> >>> Anyone else using LinkedIn? I'm subscribed to an Access group there and
> >>> it seems to work pretty well for this kind of stuff. Ability to assign
> >>> moderators, comments posted to each question, ability to search, etc...
> >>> It's like facebook but for business and without all the junk that comes
> >>> with facebook (games, etc...).
> >>> 
> >>> Just a thought.
> >>> 
> >>> Rusty
> > 
> > -- 
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > 
> > -- 
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 
> -- 
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com




From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Fri Jul 13 17:22:12 2012
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2012 08:22:12 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Where to publish stuff
In-Reply-To: <1342210499.188628686@f113.mail.ru>
References: <s0002cc5.038@cactus.dk>,
	<3A103116BC4E46008CA1CCA6343BF938@creativesystemdesigns.com>,
	<1342210499.188628686@f113.mail.ru>
Message-ID: <50009F94.586.2833ABFA@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

If we did go over to  new site format, I'd opt for a paltform independent CMS such as Joomla, 
Drupal, Concrete5,Wordpress etc rather than Windows DotnetNuke.

-- 
Stuart

On 14 Jul 2012 at 0:14, Salakhetdinov Shamil wrote:

> HI Jim and All --
> 
> I like the way email systems work too.
> 
> As for the DatabaseAdvisors discussions
> lists/forums/blogs/articles/... new engine - here DotNetNuke
> (http://www.dotnetnuke.com) could be used IMO - it has many useful
> advanced CMS features free (from its community edition)
> out-of-the-box. It has mobile UI /skin automatic switching feature but
> is it available for free or not - that have to be checked. Being an
> ASP.NET-driven CMS engine and built using modular principle DNN looks
> like being ready to get its web sites shaped in tablet/Metro-style
> friendly skins...? 



From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Fri Jul 13 17:23:01 2012
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2012 15:23:01 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Security Restriction Problem
In-Reply-To: <00d601cd6140$6beabec0$43c03c40$@cox.net>
References: <D285A67DD001438B881C8A036F73F51D@HAL9007>
	<00d601cd6140$6beabec0$43c03c40$@cox.net>
Message-ID: <8248137F4D6B4564B4E3FAD7399A7E64@HAL9007>

So I sent the customer a fresh .exe with their new .mde and it worked!

Rocky
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Doug Murphy
Sent: Friday, July 13, 2012 2:42 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Security Restriction Problem

Rocky,

The Sagekey scripts use an intermediate file called runaccess.exe to open
your actual access file. If you change the extension then runacces.exe.
RunAccess.exe requires the full path to the access runtime that sagekey
scripts install and your file. RunAccess.exe takes care of setting the
registry so access doesn't try to open in your version the next time they
open an access file and other little features that MS so kindly added.

Doug

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Friday, July 13, 2012 7:46 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Security Restriction Problem

Dear List:
 
I sent a prospect my system using Wise/Sagekey to make a run-time install.
They do not have Access, although the machine they are running it on has
Office Standard - no Access.  It ran fine being launched from the startup
icon on the desktop.
 
They then bought the system.  I sent them the .mde file of the full system,
to replace the one they were running.  The user changed the target of the
shortcut installed by the original run-time install to point to the new mde
file.  So he is still launching it from the shortcut installed by the Wise
script but with an altered target.
 
And now they get an error when they try to open it:
 
"Cannot open (path and file name here) due to security restrictions."
 
Security settings restrict access to the file because it is not digitally
signed.
 
Is there a way to get around this problem without getting a digital
signature?  I don't have time to do that right now - gotta get this guy up
and running ASAP.
 
MTIA
 
Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
858-259-4334
www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> www.e-z-mrp.com
<http://www.e-z-mrp.com/>
Skype: rocky.smolin
 
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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Fri Jul 13 18:22:40 2012
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2012 19:22:40 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] And we believe in the stock market?
In-Reply-To: <01b001cd613f$cbd4b080$637e1180$@net>
References: <50008B68.6090407@colbyconsulting.com>
	<CAEPJO1jF7JY7v3hfuRJNrry+KFuBPy=TDRP6J_vywjnuW4Ea1Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<01b001cd613f$cbd4b080$637e1180$@net>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1iFdSmAFzRJstz038nzhYjxH-sX3Vd_MqTA8Z9MGhyO6Q@mail.gmail.com>

Yup. And the only cure for this disease that I can see is to
internationalize the unions and insist that workers in China be paid
exactly the same amount as workers in Detroit or Windsor or Silicon Valley,
thus de-incentivizing the move of jobs from here to there. Let
transportation costs be the mitigating factor, not wages. No need for
import-tariffs etc. when all wages for all equivalent jobs around the world
are the same.

A.

On Fri, Jul 13, 2012 at 5:38 PM, Mark Simms <marksimms at verizon.net> wrote:

> Tech outsourcing is corporate America's "Dirty Little Secret".
>
> John - that's why the market is going up....THEY are making great
> profits....at OUR expense.
>
>
>

From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Fri Jul 13 18:25:43 2012
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2012 19:25:43 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Where to publish stuff
In-Reply-To: <50009F94.586.2833ABFA@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <s0002cc5.038@cactus.dk>
	<3A103116BC4E46008CA1CCA6343BF938@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<1342210499.188628686@f113.mail.ru>
	<50009F94.586.2833ABFA@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1iTPRi=ccY=Bud0n8o_qf5btLUhQCgq+bOf1n00+tSjBA@mail.gmail.com>

I agree, Stuart. Any of these platforms would be preferable to having MS
sink her teeth even further into us, even though this thread is mainly
about MS products.

On Fri, Jul 13, 2012 at 6:22 PM, Stuart McLachlan <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg>wrote:

> If we did go over to  new site format, I'd opt for a paltform independent
> CMS such as Joomla,
> Drupal, Concrete5,Wordpress etc rather than Windows DotnetNuke.
>
> --
> Stuart
>
>

From delam at zyterra.com  Fri Jul 13 18:25:55 2012
From: delam at zyterra.com (Debbie)
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2012 18:25:55 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Where to publish stuff
In-Reply-To: <s0006742.051@cactus.dk>
References: <s0006742.051@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <016F67AA-F2FE-47A3-B552-81A0555A1ECE@zyterra.com>

I have one linked in forum I am a member of. I get emails there are new messages, but I rarely go to the site to look at them. Is there a better option?

Debbie

Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 13, 2012, at 11:21 AM, "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:

> Hi all
> 
> Now who would have believed that? Debbie and Elizabeth, still lurking.
> Nice to hear from you!
> 
> I think we see the message. The daily e-mails pop in and you can leave them or read them just like that without going to a website, log in and so on. Very efficient. I like that too.
> 
> But don't some forum software have the option to e-mail you all postings? Thus doubling as a mail list. Could be the best of both worlds.
> 
> /gustav
> 
> 
>>>> Elizabeth.J.Doering at wellsfargo.com 13-07-12 17:57 >>>
> I concur.  
> 
> I haven't contributed as much as I would have liked over the years, usually because someone had a smarter answer while I was still scratching my head.  But I doubt I would seek out a website to visit regularly, and I love having the ongoing conversations arrive in my email.
> 
> Thanks, 
> 
> Liz
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Debbie
> Sent: Friday, July 13, 2012 10:38 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Where to publish stuff
> 
> Sadly, if we switched formats, I would probably rarely visit. The email format works for me, the list format does not except for specific questions. 
> 
> Without the regular updates via email, I will probably loose touch with the people behind the answers which is something I like a lot about access D. 
> 
> Debbie
> 
> -- 
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 


From marksimms at verizon.net  Fri Jul 13 19:28:01 2012
From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms)
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2012 20:28:01 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT - And we believe in the stock market?
In-Reply-To: <A3A6C775CB624828A53D66C8FEA05CB0@XPS>
References: <50008B68.6090407@colbyconsulting.com>
	<A3A6C775CB624828A53D66C8FEA05CB0@XPS>
Message-ID: <001301cd6157$878e4770$96aad650$@net>

Re: "idiots.  No wonder the country is in such a mess."

Thanks to all of those lawyers.




From marksimms at verizon.net  Fri Jul 13 19:38:50 2012
From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms)
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2012 20:38:50 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Access Runing via Win Server Task scheduler
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1iFdSmAFzRJstz038nzhYjxH-sX3Vd_MqTA8Z9MGhyO6Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <50008B68.6090407@colbyconsulting.com>
	<CAEPJO1jF7JY7v3hfuRJNrry+KFuBPy=TDRP6J_vywjnuW4Ea1Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<01b001cd613f$cbd4b080$637e1180$@net>
	<CAEPJO1iFdSmAFzRJstz038nzhYjxH-sX3Vd_MqTA8Z9MGhyO6Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <001401cd6159$0a533020$1ef99060$@net>

I have created a nightly task that runs Access using the CMD/ command line
parameter.

All is well with one problems:
I can't "see" the console output

How do I set this up to see what I would see in an interactive environment
in this "batch" environment ?
BTW: the error codes do return fine.





From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Jul 13 23:25:37 2012
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2012 00:25:37 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Seagate Satellite
Message-ID: <5000F4C1.7000906@colbyconsulting.com>

I bought a Seagate Satellite to pack with videos to stream to tablets / phones for the kids on the 
vacation this summer.

http://www.amazon.com/Seagate-Satellite-Wireless-External-STBF500101/dp/B004Z0S7K6

It works though the interface is pretty stone-age.  I am using DVD Catalyst to convert the movies on 
my server at the house to MP4s which can be played by the droids.  So far I have converted and 
pushed 73 movies at about 80 gigabytes total.

This beast basically creates a wireless network which any wireless capable device can request data 
from.  Using the Kindle fire, I open the Dolphin browser, go to 192.168.0.1 and hit the wireless 
created by the Satellite.  Select Videos and it displays a alpha list of every video that it found 
on the disk, sorted in alpha order.  Double click on any .MP4 and it starts to play the video.

Likewise with my Droid II or Droid Razor smart phones.

The Satellite can (theoretically) stream to three different devices independently - different movies 
etc.  In fact with the latest software, possibly as many as 7 devices.  Of course that all depends 
on the bandwidth each device requires.

It does in fact work.  I have simultaneously streamed two different videos to two devices (the 
Kindle Fire and my Droid II phone).

In years past we have used the typical DVD player with multiple display heads, with all the 
attendant "It's my turn to pick the movie" whiney stuff that kids are famous for.

If this works...
100 or so videos to select from...
A private WiFi right inside the car...
A private WiFi in the hotel...
A private WiFi at Aunt Janices house...

Plus the Kindle at least can play a ton of games.

-- 
John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it



From mcp2004 at mail.ru  Sat Jul 14 04:55:10 2012
From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=)
Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2012 13:55:10 +0400
Subject: [AccessD] =?utf-8?q?Where_to_publish_stuff?=
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1iTPRiccY=Bud0n8o_qf5btLUhQCgq+bOf1n00+tSjBA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <50009F94.586.2833ABFA@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<s0002cc5.038@cactus.dk>
	<CAEPJO1iTPRiccY=Bud0n8o_qf5btLUhQCgq+bOf1n00+tSjBA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1342259710.779765778@f90.mail.ru>

Hi Arthur and Stuart --

Here is a test DNN setup I have made for you and All to try it:

http://shamils-42.hosting.parking.ru/GettingStarted.aspx

FYI: Setup took less than half an hour, that was a Typical setup. ?It's not that I'm doing DNN setups every day - last one I did several months ago for DNN v.5.4.x
Website is running on parking.ru shared virtual host with shared SQL Server having many other hosting users databases - that's a typical ASP.NET hosting you can find everywhere nowadays;

You can find test web site to be a bit slow at start-up but when used constantly, without ASP.NET engine putting web site in a sleep mode because of its inactivity, then DNN web sites with proper skins fly.

I suppose that if the goal of making DatabaseAdvisors ?group more "populated" and popular then using MS web platforms/tools based web site engine is?preferable?- it's just illogical IMO to use other platforms.
There are several ASP.NET CMS - here is the list:

http://www.codeplex.com/site/search?query=cms&stableOnly=true&sortBy=Relevance&licenses=|&ac=8

As I have already noted using DNN in the current DatabaseAdvisors group context could be preferable IMO as it's:

- widely used and has very active community;
- inexpensive;
- not time consuming to setup and to support;
- open for extensions;
- mobile platforms friendly(?);
- ...

Thank you.

-- Shamil

P.S. I didn't configure sample web site to have proper e-mail accounts - you can register but you'll not get any notification e-mails.


Fri, 13 Jul 2012 19:25:43 -0400 ?? Arthur Fuller <fuller.artful at gmail.com>:
 
  
  
I agree, Stuart. Any of these platforms would be preferable to having MS
sink her teeth even further into us, even though this thread is mainly
about MS products.

On Fri, Jul 13, 2012 at 6:22 PM, Stuart McLachlan <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg>wrote:

> If we did go over to new site format, I'd opt for a paltform independent
> CMS such as Joomla,
> Drupal, Concrete5,Wordpress etc rather than Windows DotnetNuke.
>
> --
> Stuart
>
>
-- 
AccessD mailing list
AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
    

From tinanfields at torchlake.com  Sat Jul 14 07:15:41 2012
From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields)
Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2012 08:15:41 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Seagate Satellite
In-Reply-To: <5000F4C1.7000906@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <5000F4C1.7000906@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <500162ED.3000806@torchlake.com>

John,

One word:  WOW!

T

Tina Norris Fields
tinanfields at torchlake.com
231-322-2787

On 7/14/2012 12:25 AM, jwcolby wrote:
> I bought a Seagate Satellite to pack with videos to stream to tablets 
> / phones for the kids on the vacation this summer.
>
> http://www.amazon.com/Seagate-Satellite-Wireless-External-STBF500101/dp/B004Z0S7K6 
>
>
> It works though the interface is pretty stone-age.  I am using DVD 
> Catalyst to convert the movies on my server at the house to MP4s which 
> can be played by the droids.  So far I have converted and pushed 73 
> movies at about 80 gigabytes total.
>
> This beast basically creates a wireless network which any wireless 
> capable device can request data from.  Using the Kindle fire, I open 
> the Dolphin browser, go to 192.168.0.1 and hit the wireless created by 
> the Satellite.  Select Videos and it displays a alpha list of every 
> video that it found on the disk, sorted in alpha order.  Double click 
> on any .MP4 and it starts to play the video.
>
> Likewise with my Droid II or Droid Razor smart phones.
>
> The Satellite can (theoretically) stream to three different devices 
> independently - different movies etc.  In fact with the latest 
> software, possibly as many as 7 devices.  Of course that all depends 
> on the bandwidth each device requires.
>
> It does in fact work.  I have simultaneously streamed two different 
> videos to two devices (the Kindle Fire and my Droid II phone).
>
> In years past we have used the typical DVD player with multiple 
> display heads, with all the attendant "It's my turn to pick the movie" 
> whiney stuff that kids are famous for.
>
> If this works...
> 100 or so videos to select from...
> A private WiFi right inside the car...
> A private WiFi in the hotel...
> A private WiFi at Aunt Janices house...
>
> Plus the Kindle at least can play a ton of games.
>



From jimdettman at verizon.net  Sat Jul 14 09:02:52 2012
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2012 10:02:52 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Access Runing via Win Server Task scheduler
In-Reply-To: <001401cd6159$0a533020$1ef99060$@net>
References: <50008B68.6090407@colbyconsulting.com>
	<CAEPJO1jF7JY7v3hfuRJNrry+KFuBPy=TDRP6J_vywjnuW4Ea1Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<01b001cd613f$cbd4b080$637e1180$@net>
	<CAEPJO1iFdSmAFzRJstz038nzhYjxH-sX3Vd_MqTA8Z9MGhyO6Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<001401cd6159$0a533020$1ef99060$@net>
Message-ID: <57761D94C0634D92BB8280F5D65933DA@XPS>


  Not quite sure I'm understanding the question, but your not going to see
anything unless your on the console session and logged in as the user
running the job.

Jim. 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Simms
Sent: Friday, July 13, 2012 08:39 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Access Runing via Win Server Task scheduler

I have created a nightly task that runs Access using the CMD/ command line
parameter.

All is well with one problems:
I can't "see" the console output

How do I set this up to see what I would see in an interactive environment
in this "batch" environment ?
BTW: the error codes do return fine.




-- 
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http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com


From marksimms at verizon.net  Sat Jul 14 09:11:07 2012
From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms)
Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2012 10:11:07 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Seagate Satellite
In-Reply-To: <5000F4C1.7000906@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <5000F4C1.7000906@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <005101cd61ca$83dbf190$8b93d4b0$@net>

Very cool John...thanks for that.




From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Sat Jul 14 09:11:07 2012
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2012 00:11:07 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Seagate Satellite
In-Reply-To: <500162ED.3000806@torchlake.com>
References: <5000F4C1.7000906@colbyconsulting.com>,
	<500162ED.3000806@torchlake.com>
Message-ID: <50017DFB.5806.2B986DA5@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

Talking of new toys...

I've just bought myself a Motorola Xoom.

We've been using them for recording and emailing results for the PNG National Elections.  
Some else wrote the application to do that and I've written a system in PowerBasic/Access to 
automagically collect the emails, strip out the results, store them in the database, print out a 
copy on receipt and send updates to the website at http://results.pngec.gov.pg.   The Access 
app also generated various printouts/reports.

Having seen what the tablets can do, I decided that I really had to learn to program  them.
I've found a neat tool called Basic4Android and installed all the necessary bits but haven't 
really started learning to use it yet.  It looks like a great way to develop Android apps for 
anyone with VBA/PB etc skills.

I've spent the last couple of days playing with the Xoom and downloading various free 
tools/apps. 

All I can say is - WOW!     I love it.   MS are really going to have to work to make a dent with 
Win8 for tablets. 

-- 
Stuart

On 14 Jul 2012 at 8:15, Tina Norris Fields wrote:

> John,
> 
> One word:  WOW!
> 
> T
> 
> Tina Norris Fields
> tinanfields at torchlake.com
> 231-322-2787
> 
> On 7/14/2012 12:25 AM, jwcolby wrote:
> > I bought a Seagate Satellite to pack with videos to stream to tablets 
> > / phones for the kids on the vacation this summer.
> >
> > http://www.amazon.com/Seagate-Satellite-Wireless-External-STBF500101/dp/B004Z0S7K6 
> >
> >
> > It works though the interface is pretty stone-age.  I am using DVD 
> > Catalyst to convert the movies on my server at the house to MP4s which 
> > can be played by the droids.  So far I have converted and pushed 73 
> > movies at about 80 gigabytes total.
> >
> > This beast basically creates a wireless network which any wireless 
> > capable device can request data from.  Using the Kindle fire, I open 
> > the Dolphin browser, go to 192.168.0.1 and hit the wireless created by 
> > the Satellite.  Select Videos and it displays a alpha list of every 
> > video that it found on the disk, sorted in alpha order.  Double click 
> > on any .MP4 and it starts to play the video.
> >
> > Likewise with my Droid II or Droid Razor smart phones.
> >
> > The Satellite can (theoretically) stream to three different devices 
> > independently - different movies etc.  In fact with the latest 
> > software, possibly as many as 7 devices.  Of course that all depends 
> > on the bandwidth each device requires.
> >
> > It does in fact work.  I have simultaneously streamed two different 
> > videos to two devices (the Kindle Fire and my Droid II phone).
> >
> > In years past we have used the typical DVD player with multiple 
> > display heads, with all the attendant "It's my turn to pick the movie" 
> > whiney stuff that kids are famous for.
> >
> > If this works...
> > 100 or so videos to select from...
> > A private WiFi right inside the car...
> > A private WiFi in the hotel...
> > A private WiFi at Aunt Janices house...
> >
> > Plus the Kindle at least can play a ton of games.
> >
> 
> 
> -- 
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 



From gustav at cactus.dk  Sat Jul 14 09:50:48 2012
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2012 16:50:48 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Where to publish stuff
Message-ID: <s001a374.055@cactus.dk>

Hi Shamil

To me that certainly looks like a route to follow. And why abandon DNN because it runs on Microsoft software? That would not be logical to me.

But what about hosting costs? We have very little resources, and I would prefer not to be bothered with adds.

/gustav


>>> mcp2004 at mail.ru 14-07-12 11:55 >>>
Hi Arthur and Stuart --

Here is a test DNN setup I have made for you and All to try it:

http://shamils-42.hosting.parking.ru/GettingStarted.aspx

FYI: Setup took less than half an hour, that was a Typical setup. *It's not that I'm doing DNN setups every day - last one I did several months ago for DNN v.5.4.x
Website is running on parking.ru shared virtual host with shared SQL Server having many other hosting users databases - that's a typical ASP.NET hosting you can find everywhere nowadays;

You can find test web site to be a bit slow at start-up but when used constantly, without ASP.NET engine putting web site in a sleep mode because of its inactivity, then DNN web sites with proper skins fly.

I suppose that if the goal of making DatabaseAdvisors *group more "populated" and popular then using MS web platforms/tools based web site engine is*preferable*- it's just illogical IMO to use other platforms.
There are several ASP.NET CMS - here is the list:

http://www.codeplex.com/site/search?query=cms&stableOnly=true&sortBy=Relevance&licenses=|&ac=8

As I have already noted using DNN in the current DatabaseAdvisors group context could be preferable IMO as it's:

- widely used and has very active community;
- inexpensive;
- not time consuming to setup and to support;
- open for extensions;
- mobile platforms friendly(?);
- ...

Thank you.

-- Shamil

P.S. I didn't configure sample web site to have proper e-mail accounts - you can register but you'll not get any notification e-mails.


Fri, 13 Jul 2012 19:25:43 -0400 ?? Arthur Fuller <fuller.artful at gmail.com>:
 
  
  
I agree, Stuart. Any of these platforms would be preferable to having MS
sink her teeth even further into us, even though this thread is mainly
about MS products.

On Fri, Jul 13, 2012 at 6:22 PM, Stuart McLachlan <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg>wrote:

> If we did go over to new site format, I'd opt for a paltform independent
> CMS such as Joomla,
> Drupal, Concrete5,Wordpress etc rather than Windows DotnetNuke.
>
> --
> Stuart


From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sat Jul 14 09:57:23 2012
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2012 10:57:23 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Seagate Satellite
In-Reply-To: <50017DFB.5806.2B986DA5@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <5000F4C1.7000906@colbyconsulting.com>,
	<500162ED.3000806@torchlake.com>
	<50017DFB.5806.2B986DA5@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <500188D3.7090707@colbyconsulting.com>

Stuart,

I also want to get into Android development of custom apps for myself / my clients (work), and my 
daughter.

I am looking at buying one of the new Nexus 7 tablets.  While it does not have the surface area of a 
larger tablet it is within my price range.  I am also looking to develop educational applications 
for my daughter who is developmentally delayed / intellectually disabled.  She loves the Kindle Fire 
but it is trapped in an Amazon skin.  Yes I actually have rooted it but I like having an Amazon Skin 
on that, the kids play all kinds of games from the Amazon store.

I think the Nexus would give me the latest android OS and tons of power for programming, plus a form 
factor that is kid friendly.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it


On 7/14/2012 10:11 AM, Stuart McLachlan wrote:
> Talking of new toys...
>
> I've just bought myself a Motorola Xoom.
>
> We've been using them for recording and emailing results for the PNG National Elections.
> Some else wrote the application to do that and I've written a system in PowerBasic/Access to
> automagically collect the emails, strip out the results, store them in the database, print out a
> copy on receipt and send updates to the website at http://results.pngec.gov.pg.   The Access
> app also generated various printouts/reports.
>
> Having seen what the tablets can do, I decided that I really had to learn to program  them.
> I've found a neat tool called Basic4Android and installed all the necessary bits but haven't
> really started learning to use it yet.  It looks like a great way to develop Android apps for
> anyone with VBA/PB etc skills.
>
> I've spent the last couple of days playing with the Xoom and downloading various free
> tools/apps.
>
> All I can say is - WOW!     I love it.   MS are really going to have to work to make a dent with
> Win8 for tablets.
>



From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sat Jul 14 10:28:49 2012
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2012 11:28:49 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Seagate Satellite
In-Reply-To: <50017DFB.5806.2B986DA5@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <5000F4C1.7000906@colbyconsulting.com>,
	<500162ED.3000806@torchlake.com>
	<50017DFB.5806.2B986DA5@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <50019031.2020202@colbyconsulting.com>

Nice tablet!

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it


On 7/14/2012 10:11 AM, Stuart McLachlan wrote:
> Talking of new toys...
>
> I've just bought myself a Motorola Xoom.
>
> We've been using them for recording and emailing results for the PNG National Elections.
> Some else wrote the application to do that and I've written a system in PowerBasic/Access to
> automagically collect the emails, strip out the results, store them in the database, print out a
> copy on receipt and send updates to the website at http://results.pngec.gov.pg.   The Access
> app also generated various printouts/reports.
>
> Having seen what the tablets can do, I decided that I really had to learn to program  them.
> I've found a neat tool called Basic4Android and installed all the necessary bits but haven't
> really started learning to use it yet.  It looks like a great way to develop Android apps for
> anyone with VBA/PB etc skills.
>
> I've spent the last couple of days playing with the Xoom and downloading various free
> tools/apps.
>
> All I can say is - WOW!     I love it.   MS are really going to have to work to make a dent with
> Win8 for tablets.
>



From mcp2004 at mail.ru  Sat Jul 14 10:45:03 2012
From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=)
Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2012 19:45:03 +0400
Subject: [AccessD] =?utf-8?q?Where_to_publish_stuff?=
In-Reply-To: <s001a374.055@cactus.dk>
References: <s001a374.055@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <1342280702.574639873@f322.mail.ru>

Hi Gustav --

I doubt DatabaseAdvisors web site will be placed here in Russia, in Moscow where parking.ru hosting is located - anyway here is a middle shared virtual hosting plan I did use for sample DNN setup:

http://parking.ru/shared/win/

5GB total storage, 5 web sites, 5 MS SQL databases, 5 MySQL databases, unlimited traffic, everyday backup etc. - ~9 USD/month (250 RUB/month)

and here are PowerDNN hosting plans for comparison:

http://www.powerdnn.com/Hosting/CreateaNewSite/ChooseaPlan/tabid/292/Default.aspx

<<<
And why abandon DNN because it runs on Microsoft software? 
That would not be logical to me.
>>>
Sorry, Gustav, is that a question for me? I have noted in my prev. posting that it would be illogical IMO to run DatabaseAdvisors new site on non-MS platform if DatabaseAdvisors group developers (ourselves) are working mainly with MS software...
I have also noted that DNN web sites are known to have relatively slow start-up but the sample site I have setup seems to be starting in about three seconds and then "just flies" - try it.

BTW, the contents of DNN web site pages' modules can be exported in XML/HTML format so in theory porting DNN web site to another platform (if that will be ever needed in the future) isn't that a big issue provided DNN web site custom contents are mainly presented in HTML modules.
As well as pages modules' contents import feature can be used to port existing web site HTML into a draft version of the new DNN web site....

Thank you.

-- Shamil

Sat, 14 Jul 2012 16:50:48 +0200 ?? "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>:
 
  
  
Hi Shamil

To me that certainly looks like a route to follow. And why abandon DNN because it runs on Microsoft software? That would not be logical to me.

But what about hosting costs? We have very little resources, and I would prefer not to be bothered with adds.

/gustav


>>> mcp2004 at mail.ru 14-07-12 11:55 >>>
Hi Arthur and Stuart --

Here is a test DNN setup I have made for you and All to try it:

http://shamils-42.hosting.parking.ru/GettingStarted.aspx

FYI: Setup took less than half an hour, that was a Typical setup. *It's not that I'm doing DNN setups every day - last one I did several months ago for DNN v.5.4.x
Website is running on parking.ru shared virtual host with shared SQL Server having many other hosting users databases - that's a typical ASP.NET hosting you can find everywhere nowadays;

You can find test web site to be a bit slow at start-up but when used constantly, without ASP.NET engine putting web site in a sleep mode because of its inactivity, then DNN web sites with proper skins fly.

I suppose that if the goal of making DatabaseAdvisors *group more "populated" and popular then using MS web platforms/tools based web site engine is*preferable*- it's just illogical IMO to use other platforms.
There are several ASP.NET CMS - here is the list:

http://www.codeplex.com/site/search?query=cms&stableOnly=true&sortBy=Relevance&licenses=|&ac=8

As I have already noted using DNN in the current DatabaseAdvisors group context could be preferable IMO as it's:

- widely used and has very active community;
- inexpensive;
- not time consuming to setup and to support;
- open for extensions;
- mobile platforms friendly(?);
- ...

Thank you.

-- Shamil

P.S. I didn't configure sample web site to have proper e-mail accounts - you can register but you'll not get any notification e-mails.


Fri, 13 Jul 2012 19:25:43 -0400 ?? Arthur Fuller <fuller.artful at gmail.com>:
?
??
??
I agree, Stuart. Any of these platforms would be preferable to having MS
sink her teeth even further into us, even though this thread is mainly
about MS products.

On Fri, Jul 13, 2012 at 6:22 PM, Stuart McLachlan <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg>wrote:

> If we did go over to new site format, I'd opt for a paltform independent
> CMS such as Joomla,
> Drupal, Concrete5,Wordpress etc rather than Windows DotnetNuke.
>
> --
> Stuart

-- 
AccessD mailing list
AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
    

From gustav at cactus.dk  Sat Jul 14 11:58:13 2012
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2012 18:58:13 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Where to publish stuff
Message-ID: <s001c159.058@cactus.dk>

Hi Shamil

Thanks.

No, it wasn't you but someone else who advocated the use of a non-MS CMS or forum software.

/gustav


>>> mcp2004 at mail.ru 14-07-12 17:45 >>>
Hi Gustav --

I doubt DatabaseAdvisors web site will be placed here in Russia, in Moscow where parking.ru hosting is located - anyway here is a middle shared virtual hosting plan I did use for sample DNN setup:

http://parking.ru/shared/win/

5GB total storage, 5 web sites, 5 MS SQL databases, 5 MySQL databases, unlimited traffic, everyday backup etc. - ~9 USD/month (250 RUB/month)

and here are PowerDNN hosting plans for comparison:

http://www.powerdnn.com/Hosting/CreateaNewSite/ChooseaPlan/tabid/292/Default.aspx

<<<
And why abandon DNN because it runs on Microsoft software? 
That would not be logical to me.
>>>
Sorry, Gustav, is that a question for me? I have noted in my prev. posting that it would be illogical IMO to run DatabaseAdvisors new site on non-MS platform if DatabaseAdvisors group developers (ourselves) are working mainly with MS software...
<snip>


From accessd at shaw.ca  Sat Jul 14 12:26:48 2012
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2012 10:26:48 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Seagate Satellite
In-Reply-To: <50017DFB.5806.2B986DA5@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <5000F4C1.7000906@colbyconsulting.com>,
	<500162ED.3000806@torchlake.com>
	<50017DFB.5806.2B986DA5@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <6F151E7EBA154E2FB760FB6EF2C2BEF6@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Hi Stuart:

Looks very nice and obviously, from your comments runs nice as well. 

Your elecetion app seems to do the trick as well. So which of the dozen
parties are you supporting?

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2012 7:11 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Seagate Satellite

Talking of new toys...

I've just bought myself a Motorola Xoom.

We've been using them for recording and emailing results for the PNG
National Elections.  
Some else wrote the application to do that and I've written a system in
PowerBasic/Access to 
automagically collect the emails, strip out the results, store them in the
database, print out a 
copy on receipt and send updates to the website at
http://results.pngec.gov.pg.   The Access 
app also generated various printouts/reports.

Having seen what the tablets can do, I decided that I really had to learn to
program  them.
I've found a neat tool called Basic4Android and installed all the necessary
bits but haven't 
really started learning to use it yet.  It looks like a great way to develop
Android apps for 
anyone with VBA/PB etc skills.

I've spent the last couple of days playing with the Xoom and downloading
various free 
tools/apps. 

All I can say is - WOW!     I love it.   MS are really going to have to work
to make a dent with 
Win8 for tablets. 

-- 
Stuart

On 14 Jul 2012 at 8:15, Tina Norris Fields wrote:

> John,
> 
> One word:  WOW!
> 
> T
> 
> Tina Norris Fields
> tinanfields at torchlake.com
> 231-322-2787
> 
> On 7/14/2012 12:25 AM, jwcolby wrote:
> > I bought a Seagate Satellite to pack with videos to stream to tablets 
> > / phones for the kids on the vacation this summer.
> >
> >
http://www.amazon.com/Seagate-Satellite-Wireless-External-STBF500101/dp/B004
Z0S7K6 
> >
> >
> > It works though the interface is pretty stone-age.  I am using DVD 
> > Catalyst to convert the movies on my server at the house to MP4s which 
> > can be played by the droids.  So far I have converted and pushed 73 
> > movies at about 80 gigabytes total.
> >
> > This beast basically creates a wireless network which any wireless 
> > capable device can request data from.  Using the Kindle fire, I open 
> > the Dolphin browser, go to 192.168.0.1 and hit the wireless created by 
> > the Satellite.  Select Videos and it displays a alpha list of every 
> > video that it found on the disk, sorted in alpha order.  Double click 
> > on any .MP4 and it starts to play the video.
> >
> > Likewise with my Droid II or Droid Razor smart phones.
> >
> > The Satellite can (theoretically) stream to three different devices 
> > independently - different movies etc.  In fact with the latest 
> > software, possibly as many as 7 devices.  Of course that all depends 
> > on the bandwidth each device requires.
> >
> > It does in fact work.  I have simultaneously streamed two different 
> > videos to two devices (the Kindle Fire and my Droid II phone).
> >
> > In years past we have used the typical DVD player with multiple 
> > display heads, with all the attendant "It's my turn to pick the movie" 
> > whiney stuff that kids are famous for.
> >
> > If this works...
> > 100 or so videos to select from...
> > A private WiFi right inside the car...
> > A private WiFi in the hotel...
> > A private WiFi at Aunt Janices house...
> >
> > Plus the Kindle at least can play a ton of games.
> >
> 
> 
> -- 
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 


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From accessd at shaw.ca  Sat Jul 14 13:10:32 2012
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2012 11:10:32 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Where to publish stuff
In-Reply-To: <s001a374.055@cactus.dk>
References: <s001a374.055@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <4286DDAEC0F3433695115EF23EDE222D@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Hi Gustav/Shamil:

There are none. It is running off a friend's servers and I am allowed
everything I would like... We have IIS but may be going for the Ingnx server
just for speed. I think we have MS SQL server 8.

I would like to do something with the DNN FE as it is the ultimate resource
pig. Get a few hundred instances going and you can bring any server and
database to its knees as there is no other package that does more round
trips.

My experiences with NDD have been fairly frustrating. This same friend
updated his version of NDD and SQL version and all his websites shut-down.
It took us over a month to get the site running again after I had deleted
thousand of lines of what I thought were convoluted useless code...classes
calling classes calling classes (I.e. 758 lines with resource files, were
replaced with 8 lines of code). That type of job should have taken an
afternoon to get it working, tops. It stores everything in the database! The
site is still has little issues and needs another week or two to completely
clean up but the pages loads in a tenth of the time and now it run
rock-solid.

That said maybe NDD should be used to get a demonstration package
boiler-plated together and up and running.

Jim      

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2012 7:51 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Where to publish stuff

Hi Shamil

To me that certainly looks like a route to follow. And why abandon DNN
because it runs on Microsoft software? That would not be logical to me.

But what about hosting costs? We have very little resources, and I would
prefer not to be bothered with adds.

/gustav


>>> mcp2004 at mail.ru 14-07-12 11:55 >>>
Hi Arthur and Stuart --

Here is a test DNN setup I have made for you and All to try it:

http://shamils-42.hosting.parking.ru/GettingStarted.aspx

FYI: Setup took less than half an hour, that was a Typical setup. *It's not
that I'm doing DNN setups every day - last one I did several months ago for
DNN v.5.4.x
Website is running on parking.ru shared virtual host with shared SQL Server
having many other hosting users databases - that's a typical ASP.NET hosting
you can find everywhere nowadays;

You can find test web site to be a bit slow at start-up but when used
constantly, without ASP.NET engine putting web site in a sleep mode because
of its inactivity, then DNN web sites with proper skins fly.

I suppose that if the goal of making DatabaseAdvisors *group more
"populated" and popular then using MS web platforms/tools based web site
engine is*preferable*- it's just illogical IMO to use other platforms.
There are several ASP.NET CMS - here is the list:

http://www.codeplex.com/site/search?query=cms&stableOnly=true&sortBy=Relevan
ce&licenses=|&ac=8

As I have already noted using DNN in the current DatabaseAdvisors group
context could be preferable IMO as it's:

- widely used and has very active community;
- inexpensive;
- not time consuming to setup and to support;
- open for extensions;
- mobile platforms friendly(?);
- ...

Thank you.

-- Shamil

P.S. I didn't configure sample web site to have proper e-mail accounts - you
can register but you'll not get any notification e-mails.


Fri, 13 Jul 2012 19:25:43 -0400 ?? Arthur Fuller <fuller.artful at gmail.com>:
 
  
  
I agree, Stuart. Any of these platforms would be preferable to having MS
sink her teeth even further into us, even though this thread is mainly
about MS products.

On Fri, Jul 13, 2012 at 6:22 PM, Stuart McLachlan
<stuart at lexacorp.com.pg>wrote:

> If we did go over to new site format, I'd opt for a paltform independent
> CMS such as Joomla,
> Drupal, Concrete5,Wordpress etc rather than Windows DotnetNuke.
>
> --
> Stuart

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From mcp2004 at mail.ru  Sat Jul 14 16:13:41 2012
From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=)
Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2012 01:13:41 +0400
Subject: [AccessD] =?utf-8?q?Where_to_publish_stuff?=
In-Reply-To: <4286DDAEC0F3433695115EF23EDE222D@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <s001a374.055@cactus.dk>
	<4286DDAEC0F3433695115EF23EDE222D@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <1342300421.180390786@f67.mail.ru>

Hi Jim --

What DNN version did you use there?
AFAIS current DNN version (6.2.1), which is installed with default 'Typical' setup option runs on my sample site is running much quicker than DNN v.5.x and especially DNN v. 4.x and ?is producing smaller/cleaner HTML output.?

Upgrading DNN web site should never be done without first making full backup of the current setup.

I'd not try to tune DNN by cleaning its sources - I suppose DNN currently runs very well by default.
DNN also has caching feature, which can be used to cache static and rarely changing dynamic content etc.

We can immediately test sample DNN site response time by attacking it form our PCs by using a C# script I'm posting in P.S. of this message. That C# script can be run from LINQPad (linqpad.net) - free version:

Here are the test results I have got by running the test C# script from my PC:

Started at: 15.07.2012 0:48:27
Completed at: 15.07.2012 0:48:37, elapsed time = 9.621s
Completed tasks count = 50
Downloaded html total length = 1141600
Downloaded html pages count = 50
Download speed: 5.197 pages/s, 118662.651 bytes/s

We can set the "time X" to run this script from our systems to try to put sample DNN web site down, or I can write a simple WinForms utility program, which can be run from our systems "attacking" sample site in the same UTC moments and sending stats to a web service...

When we will get that test results then we will see is there any need to tune default DNN 6.2.x setup or it's running well enough even on a shared virtual hosting located somewhere in Moscow, Russia...

What about this first step plan?

Thank you.

-- Shamil

P.S. Sample web site "attacking" C# script - quick & dirty:

/ /* using statements should be commented in LINQPad and
/ /* additional namespeaces (F4) set instead
//using System.Threading.Tasks
//using System.Net
void Main()
{
 const int CYCLES_COUNT = 10;
 
 DateTime startTime = DateTime.Now; 
 System.Console.WriteLine("Started at: {0}", startTime);
int completedTasksCount = 0;
 PageDownloader.DownloadedHtmlTotalLength = 0;
 PageDownloader.DownloadedPagesCount = 0;
 
 foreach (int i in Enumerable.Range(1, CYCLES_COUNT))
 {
 Parallel.Invoke ( 
 () => Interlocked.Add(ref completedTasksCount, new PageDownloader("GettingStarted.aspx").Run())
 ,() => Interlocked.Add(ref completedTasksCount, new PageDownloader("Home.aspx").Run()) 
 ,() => Interlocked.Add(ref completedTasksCount, new PageDownloader("AboutUs.aspx").Run())
 ,() => Interlocked.Add(ref completedTasksCount, new PageDownloader("OurServices.aspx").Run()) 
 ,() => Interlocked.Add(ref completedTasksCount, new PageDownloader("NewsPromotions.aspx").Run())
 );
 }
 
 while (completedTasksCount < 5) System.Threading.Thread.Sleep(500);
 
 DateTime endTime = DateTime.Now; 
 decimal elapsedTimeInSeconds = (decimal) (endTime - startTime).TotalSeconds;
System.Console.WriteLine("Completed at: {0}, elapsed time = {1:#0.000}s", endTime, elapsedTimeInSeconds); 
 
 System.Console.WriteLine("Completed tasks count = {0}", completedTasksCount); 
 System.Console.WriteLine("Downloaded html total length = {0}", PageDownloader.DownloadedHtmlTotalLength); 
 System.Console.WriteLine("Downloaded html pages count = {0}", PageDownloader.DownloadedPagesCount); 
 
 System.Console.WriteLine("Download speed: {0:#0.000} pages/s, {1:#0.000} bytes/s", 
 PageDownloader.DownloadedPagesCount/elapsedTimeInSeconds,
 PageDownloader.DownloadedHtmlTotalLength/elapsedTimeInSeconds); 
 
 
}
public class PageDownloader
{
 public static int DownloadedHtmlTotalLength;
 public static int DownloadedPagesCount;
private string _pageUrl;
 public PageDownloader(string pageFileName)
 {
 string httpPrefix = "http://shamils-42.hosting.parking.ru/";
 _pageUrl = httpPrefix + pageFileName; 
 }
 
 public int Run()
 {
 try
 {
 string html = new WebClient().DownloadString(_pageUrl);
 
 Interlocked.Add(ref PageDownloader.DownloadedHtmlTotalLength, html.Length);
 Interlocked.Increment(ref PageDownloader.DownloadedPagesCount); 
 
 }
 catch (Exception ex)
 {
 System.Console.WriteLine("Downloading failed for '{0}'", _pageUrl); 
 }
 
 return 1;
 }
}



Sat, 14 Jul 2012 11:10:32 -0700 ?? "Jim Lawrence" <accessd at shaw.ca>:
 
  
  
Hi Gustav/Shamil:

There are none. It is running off a friend's servers and I am allowed
everything I would like... We have IIS but may be going for the Ingnx server
just for speed. I think we have MS SQL server 8.

I would like to do something with the DNN FE as it is the ultimate resource
pig. Get a few hundred instances going and you can bring any server and
database to its knees as there is no other package that does more round
trips.

My experiences with NDD have been fairly frustrating. This same friend
updated his version of NDD and SQL version and all his websites shut-down.
It took us over a month to get the site running again after I had deleted
thousand of lines of what I thought were convoluted useless code...classes
calling classes calling classes (I.e. 758 lines with resource files, were
replaced with 8 lines of code). That type of job should have taken an
afternoon to get it working, tops. It stores everything in the database! The
site is still has little issues and needs another week or two to completely
clean up but the pages loads in a tenth of the time and now it run
rock-solid.

That said maybe NDD should be used to get a demonstration package
boiler-plated together and up and running.

Jim 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2012 7:51 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Where to publish stuff

Hi Shamil

To me that certainly looks like a route to follow. And why abandon DNN
because it runs on Microsoft software? That would not be logical to me.

But what about hosting costs? We have very little resources, and I would
prefer not to be bothered with adds.

/gustav

<<< snip >>>

From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Sat Jul 14 16:20:20 2012
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2012 07:20:20 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Seagate Satellite
In-Reply-To: <6F151E7EBA154E2FB760FB6EF2C2BEF6@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <5000F4C1.7000906@colbyconsulting.com>,
	<50017DFB.5806.2B986DA5@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>,
	<6F151E7EBA154E2FB760FB6EF2C2BEF6@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <5001E294.5253.2D216563@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

As a non-citizen, I'm supposed to be non-political.

But I will say that Peter O'Neil - the leader of PNC (and current PM) just happens to be my 
brother in law.  :-)

-- 
Stuart

On 14 Jul 2012 at 10:26, Jim Lawrence wrote:

> Hi Stuart:
> 
> Looks very nice and obviously, from your comments runs nice as well. 
> 
> Your elecetion app seems to do the trick as well. So which of the dozen
> parties are you supporting?
> 
> Jim
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
> Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2012 7:11 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Seagate Satellite
> 
> Talking of new toys...
> 
> I've just bought myself a Motorola Xoom.
> 
> We've been using them for recording and emailing results for the PNG
> National Elections.  
> Some else wrote the application to do that and I've written a system in
> PowerBasic/Access to 
> automagically collect the emails, strip out the results, store them in the
> database, print out a 
> copy on receipt and send updates to the website at
> http://results.pngec.gov.pg.   The Access 
> app also generated various printouts/reports.
> 
> Having seen what the tablets can do, I decided that I really had to learn to
> program  them.
> I've found a neat tool called Basic4Android and installed all the necessary
> bits but haven't 
> really started learning to use it yet.  It looks like a great way to develop
> Android apps for 
> anyone with VBA/PB etc skills.
> 
> I've spent the last couple of days playing with the Xoom and downloading
> various free 
> tools/apps. 
> 
> All I can say is - WOW!     I love it.   MS are really going to have to work
> to make a dent with 
> Win8 for tablets. 
> 
> -- 
> Stuart
> 
> On 14 Jul 2012 at 8:15, Tina Norris Fields wrote:
> 
> > John,
> > 
> > One word:  WOW!
> > 
> > T
> > 
> > Tina Norris Fields
> > tinanfields at torchlake.com
> > 231-322-2787
> > 
> > On 7/14/2012 12:25 AM, jwcolby wrote:
> > > I bought a Seagate Satellite to pack with videos to stream to tablets 
> > > / phones for the kids on the vacation this summer.
> > >
> > >
> http://www.amazon.com/Seagate-Satellite-Wireless-External-STBF500101/dp/B004
> Z0S7K6 
> > >
> > >
> > > It works though the interface is pretty stone-age.  I am using DVD 
> > > Catalyst to convert the movies on my server at the house to MP4s which 
> > > can be played by the droids.  So far I have converted and pushed 73 
> > > movies at about 80 gigabytes total.
> > >
> > > This beast basically creates a wireless network which any wireless 
> > > capable device can request data from.  Using the Kindle fire, I open 
> > > the Dolphin browser, go to 192.168.0.1 and hit the wireless created by 
> > > the Satellite.  Select Videos and it displays a alpha list of every 
> > > video that it found on the disk, sorted in alpha order.  Double click 
> > > on any .MP4 and it starts to play the video.
> > >
> > > Likewise with my Droid II or Droid Razor smart phones.
> > >
> > > The Satellite can (theoretically) stream to three different devices 
> > > independently - different movies etc.  In fact with the latest 
> > > software, possibly as many as 7 devices.  Of course that all depends 
> > > on the bandwidth each device requires.
> > >
> > > It does in fact work.  I have simultaneously streamed two different 
> > > videos to two devices (the Kindle Fire and my Droid II phone).
> > >
> > > In years past we have used the typical DVD player with multiple 
> > > display heads, with all the attendant "It's my turn to pick the movie" 
> > > whiney stuff that kids are famous for.
> > >
> > > If this works...
> > > 100 or so videos to select from...
> > > A private WiFi right inside the car...
> > > A private WiFi in the hotel...
> > > A private WiFi at Aunt Janices house...
> > >
> > > Plus the Kindle at least can play a ton of games.
> > >
> > 
> > 
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> > 
> 
> 
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Sat Jul 14 16:24:02 2012
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2012 07:24:02 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Seagate Satellite
In-Reply-To: <6F151E7EBA154E2FB760FB6EF2C2BEF6@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <5000F4C1.7000906@colbyconsulting.com>,
	<50017DFB.5806.2B986DA5@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>,
	<6F151E7EBA154E2FB760FB6EF2C2BEF6@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <5001E372.2702.2D24C889@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

The results site was hosted by one of PNG's biggest IT companies, they charges the PNGEC 
an arm and a leg to develop and host an  Oracle based CMS for the results and it fell over 
completely - it couldn't handle the load.  

So I  wrote something in 24 hours to dump plain HTML files to  a server and we moved it 
over to  HostingPNG.  It's running fast and  flawlessly with about 1/4 million page views per 
day :-)

-- 
Stuart

On 14 Jul 2012 at 10:26, Jim Lawrence wrote:

> Hi Stuart:
> 
> Looks very nice and obviously, from your comments runs nice as well. 
> 
> Your elecetion app seems to do the trick as well. So which of the dozen
> parties are you supporting?
> 
> Jim
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
> Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2012 7:11 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Seagate Satellite
> 
> Talking of new toys...
> 
> I've just bought myself a Motorola Xoom.
> 
> We've been using them for recording and emailing results for the PNG
> National Elections.  
> Some else wrote the application to do that and I've written a system in
> PowerBasic/Access to 
> automagically collect the emails, strip out the results, store them in the
> database, print out a 
> copy on receipt and send updates to the website at
> http://results.pngec.gov.pg.   The Access 
> app also generated various printouts/reports.
> 
> Having seen what the tablets can do, I decided that I really had to learn to
> program  them.
> I've found a neat tool called Basic4Android and installed all the necessary
> bits but haven't 
> really started learning to use it yet.  It looks like a great way to develop
> Android apps for 
> anyone with VBA/PB etc skills.
> 
> I've spent the last couple of days playing with the Xoom and downloading
> various free 
> tools/apps. 
> 
> All I can say is - WOW!     I love it.   MS are really going to have to work
> to make a dent with 
> Win8 for tablets. 
> 
> -- 
> Stuart
> 
> On 14 Jul 2012 at 8:15, Tina Norris Fields wrote:
> 
> > John,
> > 
> > One word:  WOW!
> > 
> > T
> > 
> > Tina Norris Fields
> > tinanfields at torchlake.com
> > 231-322-2787
> > 
> > On 7/14/2012 12:25 AM, jwcolby wrote:
> > > I bought a Seagate Satellite to pack with videos to stream to tablets 
> > > / phones for the kids on the vacation this summer.
> > >
> > >
> http://www.amazon.com/Seagate-Satellite-Wireless-External-STBF500101/dp/B004
> Z0S7K6 
> > >
> > >
> > > It works though the interface is pretty stone-age.  I am using DVD 
> > > Catalyst to convert the movies on my server at the house to MP4s which 
> > > can be played by the droids.  So far I have converted and pushed 73 
> > > movies at about 80 gigabytes total.
> > >
> > > This beast basically creates a wireless network which any wireless 
> > > capable device can request data from.  Using the Kindle fire, I open 
> > > the Dolphin browser, go to 192.168.0.1 and hit the wireless created by 
> > > the Satellite.  Select Videos and it displays a alpha list of every 
> > > video that it found on the disk, sorted in alpha order.  Double click 
> > > on any .MP4 and it starts to play the video.
> > >
> > > Likewise with my Droid II or Droid Razor smart phones.
> > >
> > > The Satellite can (theoretically) stream to three different devices 
> > > independently - different movies etc.  In fact with the latest 
> > > software, possibly as many as 7 devices.  Of course that all depends 
> > > on the bandwidth each device requires.
> > >
> > > It does in fact work.  I have simultaneously streamed two different 
> > > videos to two devices (the Kindle Fire and my Droid II phone).
> > >
> > > In years past we have used the typical DVD player with multiple 
> > > display heads, with all the attendant "It's my turn to pick the movie" 
> > > whiney stuff that kids are famous for.
> > >
> > > If this works...
> > > 100 or so videos to select from...
> > > A private WiFi right inside the car...
> > > A private WiFi in the hotel...
> > > A private WiFi at Aunt Janices house...
> > >
> > > Plus the Kindle at least can play a ton of games.
> > >
> > 
> > 
> > -- 
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > 
> 
> 
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Sat Jul 14 22:11:53 2012
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2012 20:11:53 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Where to publish stuff
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	<1342300421.180390786@f67.mail.ru>
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Hi Shamil:

The original site was DNN 5.x which had been migrated from 4.x a year or so
ago. There were a number of third-party apps installed with their own custom
skins/features. Looking back we should have known or suspected that an
upgrade to 6.x was going to be a problem.

Unfortunately, if the upgrade was just a mater of backing up the application
or maybe just clearing out the old application, all together, it would have
been easy to isolate the problems. The program though is tightly integrated
with the MS SQL server for not only its data but also its entire layout and
control.

It turns out that many of the third-party extensions were not compatible, no
longer worked the same, some cost a fair amount to upgrade and had
integrated themselves directly in with the DNN's MS SQL source control data.
They caused all sorts of errors and issues. Additionally, many features,
stored within the data are location dependant and do not easily migrate.

Looking back we should have just set up a new independent server, with the
new MS SQL, installed the latest DNN and slowly added in feature by feature.
When all things were running perfectly then we should have gone on line. My
friend probably rushed ahead as all that he had read, said that the upgrade
would be trivial. 

Maybe this time will be easy as we are starting from an absolutely clean
install.

Jim 


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Salakhetdinov
Shamil
Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2012 2:14 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Where to publish stuff

Hi Jim --

What DNN version did you use there?
AFAIS current DNN version (6.2.1), which is installed with default 'Typical'
setup option runs on my sample site is running much quicker than DNN v.5.x
and especially DNN v. 4.x and ?is producing smaller/cleaner HTML output.?

Upgrading DNN web site should never be done without first making full backup
of the current setup.

I'd not try to tune DNN by cleaning its sources - I suppose DNN currently
runs very well by default.
DNN also has caching feature, which can be used to cache static and rarely
changing dynamic content etc.

We can immediately test sample DNN site response time by attacking it form
our PCs by using a C# script I'm posting in P.S. of this message. That C#
script can be run from LINQPad (linqpad.net) - free version:

Here are the test results I have got by running the test C# script from my
PC:

Started at: 15.07.2012 0:48:27
Completed at: 15.07.2012 0:48:37, elapsed time = 9.621s
Completed tasks count = 50
Downloaded html total length = 1141600
Downloaded html pages count = 50
Download speed: 5.197 pages/s, 118662.651 bytes/s

We can set the "time X" to run this script from our systems to try to put
sample DNN web site down, or I can write a simple WinForms utility program,
which can be run from our systems "attacking" sample site in the same UTC
moments and sending stats to a web service...

When we will get that test results then we will see is there any need to
tune default DNN 6.2.x setup or it's running well enough even on a shared
virtual hosting located somewhere in Moscow, Russia...

What about this first step plan?

Thank you.

-- Shamil

P.S. Sample web site "attacking" C# script - quick & dirty:

/ /* using statements should be commented in LINQPad and
/ /* additional namespeaces (F4) set instead
//using System.Threading.Tasks
//using System.Net
void Main()
{
 const int CYCLES_COUNT = 10;
 
 DateTime startTime = DateTime.Now; 
 System.Console.WriteLine("Started at: {0}", startTime);
int completedTasksCount = 0;
 PageDownloader.DownloadedHtmlTotalLength = 0;
 PageDownloader.DownloadedPagesCount = 0;
 
 foreach (int i in Enumerable.Range(1, CYCLES_COUNT))
 {
 Parallel.Invoke ( 
 () => Interlocked.Add(ref completedTasksCount, new
PageDownloader("GettingStarted.aspx").Run())
 ,() => Interlocked.Add(ref completedTasksCount, new
PageDownloader("Home.aspx").Run()) 
 ,() => Interlocked.Add(ref completedTasksCount, new
PageDownloader("AboutUs.aspx").Run())
 ,() => Interlocked.Add(ref completedTasksCount, new
PageDownloader("OurServices.aspx").Run()) 
 ,() => Interlocked.Add(ref completedTasksCount, new
PageDownloader("NewsPromotions.aspx").Run())
 );
 }
 
 while (completedTasksCount < 5) System.Threading.Thread.Sleep(500);
 
 DateTime endTime = DateTime.Now; 
 decimal elapsedTimeInSeconds = (decimal) (endTime -
startTime).TotalSeconds;
System.Console.WriteLine("Completed at: {0}, elapsed time = {1:#0.000}s",
endTime, elapsedTimeInSeconds); 
 
 System.Console.WriteLine("Completed tasks count = {0}",
completedTasksCount); 
 System.Console.WriteLine("Downloaded html total length = {0}",
PageDownloader.DownloadedHtmlTotalLength); 
 System.Console.WriteLine("Downloaded html pages count = {0}",
PageDownloader.DownloadedPagesCount); 
 
 System.Console.WriteLine("Download speed: {0:#0.000} pages/s, {1:#0.000}
bytes/s", 
 PageDownloader.DownloadedPagesCount/elapsedTimeInSeconds,
 PageDownloader.DownloadedHtmlTotalLength/elapsedTimeInSeconds); 
 
 
}
public class PageDownloader
{
 public static int DownloadedHtmlTotalLength;
 public static int DownloadedPagesCount;
private string _pageUrl;
 public PageDownloader(string pageFileName)
 {
 string httpPrefix = "http://shamils-42.hosting.parking.ru/";
 _pageUrl = httpPrefix + pageFileName; 
 }
 
 public int Run()
 {
 try
 {
 string html = new WebClient().DownloadString(_pageUrl);
 
 Interlocked.Add(ref PageDownloader.DownloadedHtmlTotalLength, html.Length);
 Interlocked.Increment(ref PageDownloader.DownloadedPagesCount); 
 
 }
 catch (Exception ex)
 {
 System.Console.WriteLine("Downloading failed for '{0}'", _pageUrl); 
 }
 
 return 1;
 }
}



Sat, 14 Jul 2012 11:10:32 -0700 ?? "Jim Lawrence" <accessd at shaw.ca>:
 
  
  
Hi Gustav/Shamil:

There are none. It is running off a friend's servers and I am allowed
everything I would like... We have IIS but may be going for the Ingnx server
just for speed. I think we have MS SQL server 8.

I would like to do something with the DNN FE as it is the ultimate resource
pig. Get a few hundred instances going and you can bring any server and
database to its knees as there is no other package that does more round
trips.

My experiences with NDD have been fairly frustrating. This same friend
updated his version of NDD and SQL version and all his websites shut-down.
It took us over a month to get the site running again after I had deleted
thousand of lines of what I thought were convoluted useless code...classes
calling classes calling classes (I.e. 758 lines with resource files, were
replaced with 8 lines of code). That type of job should have taken an
afternoon to get it working, tops. It stores everything in the database! The
site is still has little issues and needs another week or two to completely
clean up but the pages loads in a tenth of the time and now it run
rock-solid.

That said maybe NDD should be used to get a demonstration package
boiler-plated together and up and running.

Jim 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2012 7:51 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Where to publish stuff

Hi Shamil

To me that certainly looks like a route to follow. And why abandon DNN
because it runs on Microsoft software? That would not be logical to me.

But what about hosting costs? We have very little resources, and I would
prefer not to be bothered with adds.

/gustav

<<< snip >>>
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Sat Jul 14 22:28:37 2012
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2012 20:28:37 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Seagate Satellite
In-Reply-To: <5001E372.2702.2D24C889@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <5000F4C1.7000906@colbyconsulting.com>,
	<50017DFB.5806.2B986DA5@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>,
	<6F151E7EBA154E2FB760FB6EF2C2BEF6@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<5001E372.2702.2D24C889@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <E3B44192263F469FA7779A9C826B2FFF@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Hi Stuart:

That is just great and a story I have heard and been involved in a number of
times. 

It is also particularly good that you managed to hack together an adequate
replacement in so short of time. A word of warning, that IT company wouldn't
like you for it, they have long memories and too much influence. 

I have found that many times such huge applications, running such heavy duty
equipment, suffer from so many layers of code that they just fall over under
full load. The solution is to always re-code, buy more equipment and pay out
a lot more money...in a couple of year, a few million dollar later and
everything will work just fine.

Your story is a true David and Galiath tale...wish I had some place to post
it. Good for you!

Jim

PS The PMs BiL, good planning. ;-) 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2012 2:24 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Seagate Satellite

The results site was hosted by one of PNG's biggest IT companies, they
charges the PNGEC 
an arm and a leg to develop and host an  Oracle based CMS for the results
and it fell over 
completely - it couldn't handle the load.  

So I  wrote something in 24 hours to dump plain HTML files to  a server and
we moved it 
over to  HostingPNG.  It's running fast and  flawlessly with about 1/4
million page views per 
day :-)

-- 
Stuart

On 14 Jul 2012 at 10:26, Jim Lawrence wrote:

> Hi Stuart:
> 
> Looks very nice and obviously, from your comments runs nice as well. 
> 
> Your elecetion app seems to do the trick as well. So which of the dozen
> parties are you supporting?
> 
> Jim
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart
McLachlan
> Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2012 7:11 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Seagate Satellite
> 
> Talking of new toys...
> 
> I've just bought myself a Motorola Xoom.
> 
> We've been using them for recording and emailing results for the PNG
> National Elections.  
> Some else wrote the application to do that and I've written a system in
> PowerBasic/Access to 
> automagically collect the emails, strip out the results, store them in the
> database, print out a 
> copy on receipt and send updates to the website at
> http://results.pngec.gov.pg.   The Access 
> app also generated various printouts/reports.
> 
> Having seen what the tablets can do, I decided that I really had to learn
to
> program  them.
> I've found a neat tool called Basic4Android and installed all the
necessary
> bits but haven't 
> really started learning to use it yet.  It looks like a great way to
develop
> Android apps for 
> anyone with VBA/PB etc skills.
> 
> I've spent the last couple of days playing with the Xoom and downloading
> various free 
> tools/apps. 
> 
> All I can say is - WOW!     I love it.   MS are really going to have to
work
> to make a dent with 
> Win8 for tablets. 
> 
> -- 
> Stuart
> 
> On 14 Jul 2012 at 8:15, Tina Norris Fields wrote:
> 
> > John,
> > 
> > One word:  WOW!
> > 
> > T
> > 
> > Tina Norris Fields
> > tinanfields at torchlake.com
> > 231-322-2787
> > 
> > On 7/14/2012 12:25 AM, jwcolby wrote:
> > > I bought a Seagate Satellite to pack with videos to stream to tablets 
> > > / phones for the kids on the vacation this summer.
> > >
> > >
>
http://www.amazon.com/Seagate-Satellite-Wireless-External-STBF500101/dp/B004
> Z0S7K6 
> > >
> > >
> > > It works though the interface is pretty stone-age.  I am using DVD 
> > > Catalyst to convert the movies on my server at the house to MP4s which

> > > can be played by the droids.  So far I have converted and pushed 73 
> > > movies at about 80 gigabytes total.
> > >
> > > This beast basically creates a wireless network which any wireless 
> > > capable device can request data from.  Using the Kindle fire, I open 
> > > the Dolphin browser, go to 192.168.0.1 and hit the wireless created by

> > > the Satellite.  Select Videos and it displays a alpha list of every 
> > > video that it found on the disk, sorted in alpha order.  Double click 
> > > on any .MP4 and it starts to play the video.
> > >
> > > Likewise with my Droid II or Droid Razor smart phones.
> > >
> > > The Satellite can (theoretically) stream to three different devices 
> > > independently - different movies etc.  In fact with the latest 
> > > software, possibly as many as 7 devices.  Of course that all depends 
> > > on the bandwidth each device requires.
> > >
> > > It does in fact work.  I have simultaneously streamed two different 
> > > videos to two devices (the Kindle Fire and my Droid II phone).
> > >
> > > In years past we have used the typical DVD player with multiple 
> > > display heads, with all the attendant "It's my turn to pick the movie"

> > > whiney stuff that kids are famous for.
> > >
> > > If this works...
> > > 100 or so videos to select from...
> > > A private WiFi right inside the car...
> > > A private WiFi in the hotel...
> > > A private WiFi at Aunt Janices house...
> > >
> > > Plus the Kindle at least can play a ton of games.
> > >
> > 
> > 
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> > 
> 
> 
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From hans.andersen at phulse.com  Sun Jul 15 01:50:05 2012
From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen)
Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2012 23:50:05 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] =?windows-1252?q?Windows_8_Mail_Leaves_Users_Pining_For?=
 =?windows-1252?q?_the_Desktop_=97_or_Even_Their_Phones?=
In-Reply-To: <E3B44192263F469FA7779A9C826B2FFF@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <5000F4C1.7000906@colbyconsulting.com>,
	<50017DFB.5806.2B986DA5@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>,
	<6F151E7EBA154E2FB760FB6EF2C2BEF6@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<5001E372.2702.2D24C889@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<E3B44192263F469FA7779A9C826B2FFF@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <F42CC738-EB38-4181-94D3-A30B1D1F3933@phulse.com>

http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2012/07/windows-8-mail-leaves-users-pining-for-the-desktop-or-even-their-phones/

-- snip --

"The e-mail client in Windows 8 is the shell of a potentially good application ? but Microsoft hasn't given it the proper care it deserves. With less than a month before Windows 8 hits RTM, Mail is a mess that doesn't support IMAP, can't connect to servers with self-signed certificates, and lacks basic features like flagging messages for followup. Metro Mail is feature-deficient compared not just to other desktop and tablet apps ? it's behind Microsoft's own phone platform. Whether used on a tablet or desktop, this in-depth look concludes that Metro Mail in its current form will have users pining for a real desktop application."

-- snip --

From mcp2004 at mail.ru  Sun Jul 15 06:03:32 2012
From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=)
Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2012 15:03:32 +0400
Subject: [AccessD] =?utf-8?q?Where_to_publish_stuff?=
In-Reply-To: <A7856A3A196F4287800BEE5B504E80A3@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <s001a374.055@cactus.dk><4286DDAEC0F3433695115EF23EDE222D@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<1342300421.180390786@f67.mail.ru>
	<A7856A3A196F4287800BEE5B504E80A3@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <1342350212.450485652@f251.mail.ru>

Hi Jim --

Yes, DNN is known to have uneasy route when upgrading DNN-driven web sites from version to version 3.x -> 4.x, ?4.x->5.x but 5.x -> 6.x transition is working much better AFAIHH.

And as I have noted previously if DatabaseAdvisors web site will be ever moved to DNN platform then it will be mainly using HTML and other DNN modules, which shouldn't be an issue to upgrade (will that upgrade be needed at all? - DNN v.6.x looks "perfect"): at least there always be export/import modules contents manual or automated upgrade route/option to apply...

As for hosting - PowerDNN (http://www.powerdnn.com/Hosting/CreateaNewSite/ChooseaPlan/tabid/292/Default.aspx) (or similar options) looks good for me - their start-up plan (USD50/month) - does it look affordable for DatabaseAdvisors? I personally would not mind to Paypal 50-100 USD if there will be made a decision within DatabaseAdvisors group/boards of directors to move to DNN platform. When the new site will be up&running and when/if it will attract more traffic it could be possible to try to monetize it using AdWords etc. to try to earn money for PowerDNN "Small Business" hosting plan - USD100/months. Of course it's easy to say but not easy to do...

Another up-front spending would be a custom DNN skin for DatabaseAdvisors site - it would cost around USD1000 for good professional skin with not that much graphics AFAIK - here again I'd not mind to PayPal some money to collect the whole sum together than try to do that skin design by ourselves as this work requires knowing DNN skinning "tricky" details which I personally don't know...

As for porting current DatabaseAdvisors contents to a DNN site - we can share that work - as you proposed we can first make prototype site and then move it to a hosting site...

But please the will to move to DNN shouldn't be just mine, Gustav's, yours - the initiative/support/participating group should be (much) larger - everybody is busy with their own business ...

Thank you.

-- Shamil

Sat, 14 Jul 2012 20:11:53 -0700 ?? "Jim Lawrence" <accessd at shaw.ca>:
Hi Shamil:

The original site was DNN 5.x which had been migrated from 4.x a year or so
ago. There were a number of third-party apps installed with their own custom
skins/features. Looking back we should have known or suspected that an
upgrade to 6.x was going to be a problem.

Unfortunately, if the upgrade was just a mater of backing up the application
or maybe just clearing out the old application, all together, it would have
been easy to isolate the problems. The program though is tightly integrated
with the MS SQL server for not only its data but also its entire layout and
control.

It turns out that many of the third-party extensions were not compatible, no
longer worked the same, some cost a fair amount to upgrade and had
integrated themselves directly in with the DNN's MS SQL source control data.
They caused all sorts of errors and issues. Additionally, many features,
stored within the data are location dependant and do not easily migrate.

Looking back we should have just set up a new independent server, with the
new MS SQL, installed the latest DNN and slowly added in feature by feature.
When all things were running perfectly then we should have gone on line. My
friend probably rushed ahead as all that he had read, said that the upgrade
would be trivial. 

Maybe this time will be easy as we are starting from an absolutely clean
install.

Jim 
<<< snip >>>


From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Sun Jul 15 06:56:40 2012
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2012 21:56:40 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Where to publish stuff
In-Reply-To: <1342350212.450485652@f251.mail.ru>
References: <s001a374.055@cactus.dk>,
	<A7856A3A196F4287800BEE5B504E80A3@creativesystemdesigns.com>,
	<1342350212.450485652@f251.mail.ru>
Message-ID: <5002AFF8.30368.3043B2A9@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

That's very expensive.  

That's twice what I charge here in PNG for a basic hosting plan (200MB of disk space and 
2GB monthly traffic) and my prices are a lot higher than US/Aus etc hosting. (my customers 
are happy to pay the extra for the local support and hand holding).



On 15 Jul 2012 at 15:03, Salakhetdinov Shamil wrote:

> As for hosting - PowerDNN
> (http://www.powerdnn.com/Hosting/CreateaNewSite/ChooseaPlan/tabid/292/D
> efault.aspx) (or similar options) looks good for me - their start-up
> plan (USD50/month) - does it look affordable for DatabaseAdvisors? I


From mcp2004 at mail.ru  Sun Jul 15 07:32:14 2012
From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=)
Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2012 16:32:14 +0400
Subject: [AccessD] =?utf-8?q?Where_to_publish_stuff?=
In-Reply-To: <5002AFF8.30368.3043B2A9@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <1342350212.450485652@f251.mail.ru> <s001a374.055@cactus.dk>,
	<5002AFF8.30368.3043B2A9@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <1342355534.137924755@f265.mail.ru>

Hi Stuart --

Please check:?http://www.powerdnn.com/Hosting/CreateaNewSite/ChooseaPlan/tabid/292/Default.aspx

that's:

- up to 30GB for web site files + 
- up to 30GB for MS SQL backend + 
- unlimited traffic + 
- many other DNN specific and other hosting options.

What would that hosting space cost on your site?

Any constructive remarks/proposals anybody?

Should I stop my "preaching for moving on a DNN hosting"?

Thank you.

-- Shamil


Sun, 15 Jul 2012 21:56:40 +1000 ?? "Stuart McLachlan" <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg>:
 
  
  
That's very expensive. 

That's twice what I charge here in PNG for a basic hosting plan (200MB of disk space and 
2GB monthly traffic) and my prices are a lot higher than US/Aus etc hosting. (my customers 
are happy to pay the extra for the local support and hand holding).



On 15 Jul 2012 at 15:03, Salakhetdinov Shamil wrote:

> As for hosting - PowerDNN
> (http://www.powerdnn.com/Hosting/CreateaNewSite/ChooseaPlan/tabid/292/D
> efault.aspx) (or similar options) looks good for me - their start-up
> plan (USD50/month) - does it look affordable for DatabaseAdvisors? I

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From marksimms at verizon.net  Sun Jul 15 09:41:19 2012
From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms)
Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2012 10:41:19 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Access Runing via Win Server Task scheduler
In-Reply-To: <57761D94C0634D92BB8280F5D65933DA@XPS>
References: <50008B68.6090407@colbyconsulting.com>
	<CAEPJO1jF7JY7v3hfuRJNrry+KFuBPy=TDRP6J_vywjnuW4Ea1Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<01b001cd613f$cbd4b080$637e1180$@net>
	<CAEPJO1iFdSmAFzRJstz038nzhYjxH-sX3Vd_MqTA8Z9MGhyO6Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<001401cd6159$0a533020$1ef99060$@net>
	<57761D94C0634D92BB8280F5D65933DA@XPS>
Message-ID: <004b01cd6297$e6653ab0$b32fb010$@net>

You are right.
I think the solution is to create a logging table, insert status messages to
it, and then write a report and output it to a PDF file...
And email it to the developer.
Perfect.

>   Not quite sure I'm understanding the question, but your not going to
> see
> anything unless your on the console session and logged in as the user
> running the job.
>
> Jim.



From marksimms at verizon.net  Sun Jul 15 09:45:00 2012
From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms)
Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2012 10:45:00 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Seagate Satellite
In-Reply-To: <E3B44192263F469FA7779A9C826B2FFF@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <5000F4C1.7000906@colbyconsulting.com>,
	<50017DFB.5806.2B986DA5@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>,
	<6F151E7EBA154E2FB760FB6EF2C2BEF6@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<5001E372.2702.2D24C889@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<E3B44192263F469FA7779A9C826B2FFF@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <004c01cd6298$6a2fc900$3e8f5b00$@net>

Interestingly Java's J2EE was supposed to solve this problem.
I don't' think it ever got that much traction due to it's complexity.

> Hi Stuart:
>
> That is just great and a story I have heard and been involved in a
> number of
> times.
>
> It is also particularly good that you managed to hack together an
> adequate
> replacement in so short of time. A word of warning, that IT company
> wouldn't
> like you for it, they have long memories and too much influence.
>
> I have found that many times such huge applications, running such heavy
> duty
> equipment, suffer from so many layers of code that they just fall over
> under
> full load. The solution is to always re-code, buy more equipment and
> pay out
> a lot more money...in a couple of year, a few million dollar later and
> everything will work just fine.
>
> Your story is a true David and Galiath tale...wish I had some place to
> post
> it. Good for you!
>
> Jim



From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sun Jul 15 11:57:18 2012
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2012 12:57:18 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Where to publish stuff
In-Reply-To: <1342355534.137924755@f265.mail.ru>
References: <1342350212.450485652@f251.mail.ru> <s001a374.055@cactus.dk>,
	<5002AFF8.30368.3043B2A9@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<1342355534.137924755@f265.mail.ru>
Message-ID: <5002F66E.4050203@colbyconsulting.com>

 > Should I stop my "preaching for moving on a DNN hosting"?

I don't think so.  There are lots of opinions.  I thik DNN is a fine platform, others don't like it. 
  A discussion is good.  I do think that $10-20 / month is more likely to fly given our volunteer 
nature.  If we could attract advertisers then that is another story, then we would have income to 
spend on the hosting.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it


On 7/15/2012 8:32 AM, Salakhetdinov Shamil wrote:
> Hi Stuart --
>
> Please check: http://www.powerdnn.com/Hosting/CreateaNewSite/ChooseaPlan/tabid/292/Default.aspx
>
> that's:
>
> - up to 30GB for web site files +
> - up to 30GB for MS SQL backend +
> - unlimited traffic +
> - many other DNN specific and other hosting options.
>
> What would that hosting space cost on your site?
>
> Any constructive remarks/proposals anybody?
>
> Should I stop my "preaching for moving on a DNN hosting"?
>
> Thank you.
>
> -- Shamil
>
>
> Sun, 15 Jul 2012 21:56:40 +1000 ?? "Stuart McLachlan" <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg>:
>
>
>
> That's very expensive.
>
> That's twice what I charge here in PNG for a basic hosting plan (200MB of disk space and
> 2GB monthly traffic) and my prices are a lot higher than US/Aus etc hosting. (my customers
> are happy to pay the extra for the local support and hand holding).
>
>
>
> On 15 Jul 2012 at 15:03, Salakhetdinov Shamil wrote:
>
>> As for hosting - PowerDNN
>> (http://www.powerdnn.com/Hosting/CreateaNewSite/ChooseaPlan/tabid/292/D
>> efault.aspx) (or similar options) looks good for me - their start-up
>> plan (USD50/month) - does it look affordable for DatabaseAdvisors? I
>



From accessd at shaw.ca  Sun Jul 15 13:50:20 2012
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2012 11:50:20 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Windows 8 Mail Leaves Users Pining For the Desktop -
	or Even Their Phones
In-Reply-To: <F42CC738-EB38-4181-94D3-A30B1D1F3933@phulse.com>
References: <5000F4C1.7000906@colbyconsulting.com>,
	<50017DFB.5806.2B986DA5@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>,
	<6F151E7EBA154E2FB760FB6EF2C2BEF6@creativesystemdesigns.com><5001E372.2702.2D24C889@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg><E3B44192263F469FA7779A9C826B2FFF@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<F42CC738-EB38-4181-94D3-A30B1D1F3933@phulse.com>
Message-ID: <8061E49E5CAE4418BDDC68579ED2AF9A@creativesystemdesigns.com>

I guess users will just have to learn how to make better usage out of Google
Mail, unfortunately they will have to figure how to do that with only the IE
browser available.

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Hans-Christian
Andersen
Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2012 11:50 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Windows 8 Mail Leaves Users Pining For the Desktop - or
Even Their Phones

http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2012/07/windows-8-mail-leaves-
users-pining-for-the-desktop-or-even-their-phones/

-- snip --

"The e-mail client in Windows 8 is the shell of a potentially good
application - but Microsoft hasn't given it the proper care it deserves.
With less than a month before Windows 8 hits RTM, Mail is a mess that
doesn't support IMAP, can't connect to servers with self-signed
certificates, and lacks basic features like flagging messages for followup.
Metro Mail is feature-deficient compared not just to other desktop and
tablet apps - it's behind Microsoft's own phone platform. Whether used on a
tablet or desktop, this in-depth look concludes that Metro Mail in its
current form will have users pining for a real desktop application."

-- snip --
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Sun Jul 15 14:31:21 2012
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2012 12:31:21 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Where to publish stuff
In-Reply-To: <1342350212.450485652@f251.mail.ru>
References: <s001a374.055@cactus.dk><4286DDAEC0F3433695115EF23EDE222D@creativesystemdesigns.com><1342300421.180390786@f67.mail.ru><A7856A3A196F4287800BEE5B504E80A3@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<1342350212.450485652@f251.mail.ru>
Message-ID: <C45BBE792E91465B922DD3247A7A1744@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Hi Shamil:

Currently, we have such a hosting site. We just haven't utilized any of the
features at our disposal. 

I believe the current rate is about $10.00 a month. Given that we have
access to a MS SQL BE, can install our own DNN and have (virtually)
unlimited GBs we should/would probably be paying a lot more if I hadn't
appealed to my friend's good-nature and wiliness to help out a non profit
organization.  

Our needs for functionality, for a DNN site are minimal, to say the
least...currently we are little more than a large brochure/social site with
little or no business requirements. We could probably get away with just a
base DNN install. 

Graphics, design and layout is my forte. Everyone judges a site by it looks
and not necessarily by its functionality...such is human nature. ;-)

If many people would contribute a little bit it could easily become a
reality. If many people would follow up by contributing to the sites content
there is no limit to how far it could grow.

Just a Note: Where a company hosts its site has nothing or very little to do
with its traffic volume. That all has to do with its branding, the
visibility of the web site name (on Google), which is all driven by the
site's content.

If people are in general agreement we could proceed towards a executive
agreement.

Jim
 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Salakhetdinov
Shamil
Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2012 4:04 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Where to publish stuff

Hi Jim --

Yes, DNN is known to have uneasy route when upgrading DNN-driven web sites
from version to version 3.x -> 4.x, ?4.x->5.x but 5.x -> 6.x transition is
working much better AFAIHH.

And as I have noted previously if DatabaseAdvisors web site will be ever
moved to DNN platform then it will be mainly using HTML and other DNN
modules, which shouldn't be an issue to upgrade (will that upgrade be needed
at all? - DNN v.6.x looks "perfect"): at least there always be export/import
modules contents manual or automated upgrade route/option to apply...

As for hosting - PowerDNN
(http://www.powerdnn.com/Hosting/CreateaNewSite/ChooseaPlan/tabid/292/Defaul
t.aspx) (or similar options) looks good for me - their start-up plan
(USD50/month) - does it look affordable for DatabaseAdvisors? I personally
would not mind to Paypal 50-100 USD if there will be made a decision within
DatabaseAdvisors group/boards of directors to move to DNN platform. When the
new site will be up&running and when/if it will attract more traffic it
could be possible to try to monetize it using AdWords etc. to try to earn
money for PowerDNN "Small Business" hosting plan - USD100/months. Of course
it's easy to say but not easy to do...

Another up-front spending would be a custom DNN skin for DatabaseAdvisors
site - it would cost around USD1000 for good professional skin with not that
much graphics AFAIK - here again I'd not mind to PayPal some money to
collect the whole sum together than try to do that skin design by ourselves
as this work requires knowing DNN skinning "tricky" details which I
personally don't know...

As for porting current DatabaseAdvisors contents to a DNN site - we can
share that work - as you proposed we can first make prototype site and then
move it to a hosting site...

But please the will to move to DNN shouldn't be just mine, Gustav's, yours -
the initiative/support/participating group should be (much) larger -
everybody is busy with their own business ...

Thank you.

-- Shamil

Sat, 14 Jul 2012 20:11:53 -0700 ?? "Jim Lawrence" <accessd at shaw.ca>:
Hi Shamil:

The original site was DNN 5.x which had been migrated from 4.x a year or so
ago. There were a number of third-party apps installed with their own custom
skins/features. Looking back we should have known or suspected that an
upgrade to 6.x was going to be a problem.

Unfortunately, if the upgrade was just a mater of backing up the application
or maybe just clearing out the old application, all together, it would have
been easy to isolate the problems. The program though is tightly integrated
with the MS SQL server for not only its data but also its entire layout and
control.

It turns out that many of the third-party extensions were not compatible, no
longer worked the same, some cost a fair amount to upgrade and had
integrated themselves directly in with the DNN's MS SQL source control data.
They caused all sorts of errors and issues. Additionally, many features,
stored within the data are location dependant and do not easily migrate.

Looking back we should have just set up a new independent server, with the
new MS SQL, installed the latest DNN and slowly added in feature by feature.
When all things were running perfectly then we should have gone on line. My
friend probably rushed ahead as all that he had read, said that the upgrade
would be trivial. 

Maybe this time will be easy as we are starting from an absolutely clean
install.

Jim 
<<< snip >>>

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From accessd at shaw.ca  Sun Jul 15 14:41:57 2012
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2012 12:41:57 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Seagate Satellite
In-Reply-To: <004c01cd6298$6a2fc900$3e8f5b00$@net>
References: <5000F4C1.7000906@colbyconsulting.com>,
	<50017DFB.5806.2B986DA5@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>,
	<6F151E7EBA154E2FB760FB6EF2C2BEF6@creativesystemdesigns.com><5001E372.2702.2D24C889@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg><E3B44192263F469FA7779A9C826B2FFF@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<004c01cd6298$6a2fc900$3e8f5b00$@net>
Message-ID: <3692A3FD2FC148E08C66CFE991D557FD@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Just a note: Java is still one of the largest language bases and one of the
most used programs out there. Google, Amazon, Facebook, Oracle and on and
on. Even Microsoft's .Net languages owe much of their design to Java.

Check out the following: http://langpop.com/

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Simms
Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2012 7:45 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Seagate Satellite

Interestingly Java's J2EE was supposed to solve this problem.
I don't' think it ever got that much traction due to it's complexity.

> Hi Stuart:
>
> That is just great and a story I have heard and been involved in a
> number of
> times.
>
> It is also particularly good that you managed to hack together an
> adequate
> replacement in so short of time. A word of warning, that IT company
> wouldn't
> like you for it, they have long memories and too much influence.
>
> I have found that many times such huge applications, running such heavy
> duty
> equipment, suffer from so many layers of code that they just fall over
> under
> full load. The solution is to always re-code, buy more equipment and
> pay out
> a lot more money...in a couple of year, a few million dollar later and
> everything will work just fine.
>
> Your story is a true David and Galiath tale...wish I had some place to
> post
> it. Good for you!
>
> Jim


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From marksimms at verizon.net  Sun Jul 15 15:52:52 2012
From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms)
Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2012 16:52:52 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Java
In-Reply-To: <3692A3FD2FC148E08C66CFE991D557FD@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <5000F4C1.7000906@colbyconsulting.com>,
	<50017DFB.5806.2B986DA5@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>,
	<6F151E7EBA154E2FB760FB6EF2C2BEF6@creativesystemdesigns.com><5001E372.2702.2D24C889@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg><E3B44192263F469FA7779A9C826B2FFF@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<004c01cd6298$6a2fc900$3e8f5b00$@net>
	<3692A3FD2FC148E08C66CFE991D557FD@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <002e01cd62cb$cd871e80$68955b80$@net>

Jim - I am aware of that. I was specifically referring to the J2EE
framework.

I think it fell into the "Too Big To Succeed" category.



From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Sun Jul 15 16:11:01 2012
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2012 07:11:01 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Where to publish stuff
In-Reply-To: <5002F66E.4050203@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <1342350212.450485652@f251.mail.ru>,
	<1342355534.137924755@f265.mail.ru>,
	<5002F66E.4050203@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <500331E5.2045.323F1AA9@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

Do we need 30GB of storage and unlimited traffic?

-- 
Stuart

On 15 Jul 2012 at 12:57, jwcolby wrote:

>  > Should I stop my "preaching for moving on a DNN hosting"?
> 
> I don't think so.  There are lots of opinions.  I thik DNN is a fine platform, others don't like it. 
>   A discussion is good.  I do think that $10-20 / month is more likely to fly given our volunteer 
> nature.  If we could attract advertisers then that is another story, then we would have income to 
> spend on the hosting.
> 
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
> 
> Reality is what refuses to go away
> when you do not believe in it
> 
> 
> On 7/15/2012 8:32 AM, Salakhetdinov Shamil wrote:
> > Hi Stuart --
> >
> > Please check: http://www.powerdnn.com/Hosting/CreateaNewSite/ChooseaPlan/tabid/292/Default.aspx
> >
> > that's:
> >
> > - up to 30GB for web site files +
> > - up to 30GB for MS SQL backend +
> > - unlimited traffic +
> > - many other DNN specific and other hosting options.
> >
> > What would that hosting space cost on your site?
> >
> > Any constructive remarks/proposals anybody?
> >
> > Should I stop my "preaching for moving on a DNN hosting"?
> >
> > Thank you.
> >
> > -- Shamil
> >
> >
> > Sun, 15 Jul 2012 21:56:40 +1000  "Stuart McLachlan" <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg>:
> >
> >
> >
> > That's very expensive.
> >
> > That's twice what I charge here in PNG for a basic hosting plan (200MB of disk space and
> > 2GB monthly traffic) and my prices are a lot higher than US/Aus etc hosting. (my customers
> > are happy to pay the extra for the local support and hand holding).
> >
> >
> >
> > On 15 Jul 2012 at 15:03, Salakhetdinov Shamil wrote:
> >
> >> As for hosting - PowerDNN
> >> (http://www.powerdnn.com/Hosting/CreateaNewSite/ChooseaPlan/tabid/292/D
> >> efault.aspx) (or similar options) looks good for me - their start-up
> >> plan (USD50/month) - does it look affordable for DatabaseAdvisors? I
> >
> 
> 
> -- 
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> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com




From hans.andersen at phulse.com  Sun Jul 15 16:59:22 2012
From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen)
Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2012 14:59:22 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Windows 8 Mail Leaves Users Pining For the Desktop -
	or Even Their Phones
In-Reply-To: <8061E49E5CAE4418BDDC68579ED2AF9A@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <5000F4C1.7000906@colbyconsulting.com>
	<50017DFB.5806.2B986DA5@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<6F151E7EBA154E2FB760FB6EF2C2BEF6@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<5001E372.2702.2D24C889@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<E3B44192263F469FA7779A9C826B2FFF@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<F42CC738-EB38-4181-94D3-A30B1D1F3933@phulse.com>
	<8061E49E5CAE4418BDDC68579ED2AF9A@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <AD06A2D6-B7BF-472C-809D-C9FBF82CBCC7@phulse.com>

The big push is to get everyone to love Metro though. A lack of support for something as basic as IMAP is quite surprising.

Best regards,
Hans-Christian Andersen


On 15 Jul 2012, at 11:50, "Jim Lawrence" <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:

> I guess users will just have to learn how to make better usage out of Google
> Mail, unfortunately they will have to figure how to do that with only the IE
> browser available.
> 
> Jim
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Hans-Christian
> Andersen
> Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2012 11:50 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] Windows 8 Mail Leaves Users Pining For the Desktop - or
> Even Their Phones
> 
> http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2012/07/windows-8-mail-leaves-
> users-pining-for-the-desktop-or-even-their-phones/
> 
> -- snip --
> 
> "The e-mail client in Windows 8 is the shell of a potentially good
> application - but Microsoft hasn't given it the proper care it deserves.
> With less than a month before Windows 8 hits RTM, Mail is a mess that
> doesn't support IMAP, can't connect to servers with self-signed
> certificates, and lacks basic features like flagging messages for followup.
> Metro Mail is feature-deficient compared not just to other desktop and
> tablet apps - it's behind Microsoft's own phone platform. Whether used on a
> tablet or desktop, this in-depth look concludes that Metro Mail in its
> current form will have users pining for a real desktop application."
> 
> -- snip --
> -- 
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 
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> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
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From dw-murphy at cox.net  Sun Jul 15 17:53:48 2012
From: dw-murphy at cox.net (Doug Murphy)
Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2012 15:53:48 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Where to publish stuff
In-Reply-To: <C45BBE792E91465B922DD3247A7A1744@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <s001a374.055@cactus.dk><4286DDAEC0F3433695115EF23EDE222D@creativesystemdesigns.com><1342300421.180390786@f67.mail.ru><A7856A3A196F4287800BEE5B504E80A3@creativesystemdesigns.com>	<1342350212.450485652@f251.mail.ru>
	<C45BBE792E91465B922DD3247A7A1744@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <002701cd62dc$b25f7560$171e6020$@cox.net>

We currently host our user group DNN site at Arvixe.com. $120 for two years
with unlimited traffic, multiple sql server databases, etc. Check it out.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2012 12:31 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Where to publish stuff

Hi Shamil:

Currently, we have such a hosting site. We just haven't utilized any of the
features at our disposal. 

I believe the current rate is about $10.00 a month. Given that we have
access to a MS SQL BE, can install our own DNN and have (virtually)
unlimited GBs we should/would probably be paying a lot more if I hadn't
appealed to my friend's good-nature and wiliness to help out a non profit
organization.  

Our needs for functionality, for a DNN site are minimal, to say the
least...currently we are little more than a large brochure/social site with
little or no business requirements. We could probably get away with just a
base DNN install. 

Graphics, design and layout is my forte. Everyone judges a site by it looks
and not necessarily by its functionality...such is human nature. ;-)

If many people would contribute a little bit it could easily become a
reality. If many people would follow up by contributing to the sites content
there is no limit to how far it could grow.

Just a Note: Where a company hosts its site has nothing or very little to do
with its traffic volume. That all has to do with its branding, the
visibility of the web site name (on Google), which is all driven by the
site's content.

If people are in general agreement we could proceed towards a executive
agreement.

Jim
 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Salakhetdinov
Shamil
Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2012 4:04 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Where to publish stuff

Hi Jim --

Yes, DNN is known to have uneasy route when upgrading DNN-driven web sites
from version to version 3.x -> 4.x, ?4.x->5.x but 5.x -> 6.x transition is
working much better AFAIHH.

And as I have noted previously if DatabaseAdvisors web site will be ever
moved to DNN platform then it will be mainly using HTML and other DNN
modules, which shouldn't be an issue to upgrade (will that upgrade be needed
at all? - DNN v.6.x looks "perfect"): at least there always be export/import
modules contents manual or automated upgrade route/option to apply...

As for hosting - PowerDNN
(http://www.powerdnn.com/Hosting/CreateaNewSite/ChooseaPlan/tabid/292/Defaul
t.aspx) (or similar options) looks good for me - their start-up plan
(USD50/month) - does it look affordable for DatabaseAdvisors? I personally
would not mind to Paypal 50-100 USD if there will be made a decision within
DatabaseAdvisors group/boards of directors to move to DNN platform. When the
new site will be up&running and when/if it will attract more traffic it
could be possible to try to monetize it using AdWords etc. to try to earn
money for PowerDNN "Small Business" hosting plan - USD100/months. Of course
it's easy to say but not easy to do...

Another up-front spending would be a custom DNN skin for DatabaseAdvisors
site - it would cost around USD1000 for good professional skin with not that
much graphics AFAIK - here again I'd not mind to PayPal some money to
collect the whole sum together than try to do that skin design by ourselves
as this work requires knowing DNN skinning "tricky" details which I
personally don't know...

As for porting current DatabaseAdvisors contents to a DNN site - we can
share that work - as you proposed we can first make prototype site and then
move it to a hosting site...

But please the will to move to DNN shouldn't be just mine, Gustav's, yours -
the initiative/support/participating group should be (much) larger -
everybody is busy with their own business ...

Thank you.

-- Shamil

Sat, 14 Jul 2012 20:11:53 -0700 ?? "Jim Lawrence" <accessd at shaw.ca>:
Hi Shamil:

The original site was DNN 5.x which had been migrated from 4.x a year or so
ago. There were a number of third-party apps installed with their own custom
skins/features. Looking back we should have known or suspected that an
upgrade to 6.x was going to be a problem.

Unfortunately, if the upgrade was just a mater of backing up the application
or maybe just clearing out the old application, all together, it would have
been easy to isolate the problems. The program though is tightly integrated
with the MS SQL server for not only its data but also its entire layout and
control.

It turns out that many of the third-party extensions were not compatible, no
longer worked the same, some cost a fair amount to upgrade and had
integrated themselves directly in with the DNN's MS SQL source control data.
They caused all sorts of errors and issues. Additionally, many features,
stored within the data are location dependant and do not easily migrate.

Looking back we should have just set up a new independent server, with the
new MS SQL, installed the latest DNN and slowly added in feature by feature.
When all things were running perfectly then we should have gone on line. My
friend probably rushed ahead as all that he had read, said that the upgrade
would be trivial. 

Maybe this time will be easy as we are starting from an absolutely clean
install.

Jim
<<< snip >>>

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From accessd at shaw.ca  Sun Jul 15 18:28:17 2012
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2012 16:28:17 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Windows 8 Mail Leaves Users Pining For the Desktop
	-or Even Their Phones
In-Reply-To: <AD06A2D6-B7BF-472C-809D-C9FBF82CBCC7@phulse.com>
References: <5000F4C1.7000906@colbyconsulting.com><50017DFB.5806.2B986DA5@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg><6F151E7EBA154E2FB760FB6EF2C2BEF6@creativesystemdesigns.com><5001E372.2702.2D24C889@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg><E3B44192263F469FA7779A9C826B2FFF@creativesystemdesigns.com><F42CC738-EB38-4181-94D3-A30B1D1F3933@phulse.com><8061E49E5CAE4418BDDC68579ED2AF9A@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<AD06A2D6-B7BF-472C-809D-C9FBF82CBCC7@phulse.com>
Message-ID: <5541AD2238714480A68AB3044AFB82C1@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Hi Hans:

I was reading an article going on a couple of weeks ago explaining our three
protocols we use for all emailing. 

http://signinx.com/difference-between-pop3-imap-smtp/

How Microsoft would be able to have any emailing without the use of one of
the protocols is beyond me. 

Upon closer reading of the posted article it seems that Microsoft hasn't
completed an appropriate email client; yet and there are no real
alternatives for computers, with use the new Arm chip set. Building an email
client would seem a no-brainer as currently it would put on the level with
that of the iPad, which the writer said had to be "jail-broken", to make it
fully functional or Apple's email version which he described as just
plain-buggy. Everything at the moment depends on a completed version of the
new office which will be an additional expense (Very expensive?).

According to another article, I can't seem to find now, it appears that
Microsoft is attempting to move that functionality to the Cloud; its own
Cloud. So it will be just like the new Win8 product, only supporting the IE
browser. IMHO, MS is trying to become more Apple than Apple, in
shutting-down and locking out all competition within their private preserve.

Of course there are still a few months before everything goes on sale and
becomes official. I will be concerned at that point if no movement has been
made on any mail client.

Jim 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Hans-Christian
Andersen
Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2012 2:59 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Windows 8 Mail Leaves Users Pining For the Desktop
-or Even Their Phones

The big push is to get everyone to love Metro though. A lack of support for
something as basic as IMAP is quite surprising.

Best regards,
Hans-Christian Andersen


On 15 Jul 2012, at 11:50, "Jim Lawrence" <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:

> I guess users will just have to learn how to make better usage out of
Google
> Mail, unfortunately they will have to figure how to do that with only the
IE
> browser available.
> 
> Jim
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Hans-Christian
> Andersen
> Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2012 11:50 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] Windows 8 Mail Leaves Users Pining For the Desktop - or
> Even Their Phones
> 
>
http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2012/07/windows-8-mail-leaves-
> users-pining-for-the-desktop-or-even-their-phones/
> 
> -- snip --
> 
> "The e-mail client in Windows 8 is the shell of a potentially good
> application - but Microsoft hasn't given it the proper care it deserves.
> With less than a month before Windows 8 hits RTM, Mail is a mess that
> doesn't support IMAP, can't connect to servers with self-signed
> certificates, and lacks basic features like flagging messages for
followup.
> Metro Mail is feature-deficient compared not just to other desktop and
> tablet apps - it's behind Microsoft's own phone platform. Whether used on
a
> tablet or desktop, this in-depth look concludes that Metro Mail in its
> current form will have users pining for a real desktop application."
> 
> -- snip --
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From marksimms at verizon.net  Sun Jul 15 18:57:49 2012
From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms)
Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2012 19:57:49 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Windows 8 Mail Leaves Users Pining For the Desktop
 -	or Even Their Phones
In-Reply-To: <AD06A2D6-B7BF-472C-809D-C9FBF82CBCC7@phulse.com>
References: <5000F4C1.7000906@colbyconsulting.com>
	<50017DFB.5806.2B986DA5@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<6F151E7EBA154E2FB760FB6EF2C2BEF6@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<5001E372.2702.2D24C889@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<E3B44192263F469FA7779A9C826B2FFF@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<F42CC738-EB38-4181-94D3-A30B1D1F3933@phulse.com>
	<8061E49E5CAE4418BDDC68579ED2AF9A@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<AD06A2D6-B7BF-472C-809D-C9FBF82CBCC7@phulse.com>
Message-ID: <001c01cd62e5$a3be6850$eb3b38f0$@net>

Hans - Why should there be a PUSH ? Shouldn't it just be "natural" ?

> The big push is to get everyone to love Metro though. A lack of support
> for something as basic as IMAP is quite surprising.
>
> Best regards,
> Hans-Christian Andersen



From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sun Jul 15 19:45:21 2012
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2012 20:45:21 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Where to publish stuff
In-Reply-To: <500331E5.2045.323F1AA9@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <1342350212.450485652@f251.mail.ru>,
	<1342355534.137924755@f265.mail.ru>,
	<5002F66E.4050203@colbyconsulting.com>
	<500331E5.2045.323F1AA9@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <50036421.1050607@colbyconsulting.com>

 > Do we need 30GB of storage and unlimited traffic?

Not in my book.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it


On 7/15/2012 5:11 PM, Stuart McLachlan wrote:
> Do we need 30GB of storage and unlimited traffic?
>



From marksimms at verizon.net  Mon Jul 16 08:40:23 2012
From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms)
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2012 09:40:23 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Icon Developer
In-Reply-To: <50036421.1050607@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <1342350212.450485652@f251.mail.ru>,
	<1342355534.137924755@f265.mail.ru>,
	<5002F66E.4050203@colbyconsulting.com>	<500331E5.2045.323F1AA9@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<50036421.1050607@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <002e01cd6358$8d431cb0$a7c95610$@net>

Per the recommendations from members on this group,
I purchased this and gave it a whirl.
For $20, it did a nice job of converting some JPG images to ICON format.
However, the size of the icon files surprised me...almost 10x the size of
the original !
For Windows 256x256 icons, the images were very nice.
However, it would be impractical to use these files as custom Ribbon images,
wouldn't it ?
I think I should probably convert the JPG to PNG format.



From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Mon Jul 16 09:21:10 2012
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2012 00:21:10 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Icon Developer
In-Reply-To: <002e01cd6358$8d431cb0$a7c95610$@net>
References: <1342350212.450485652@f251.mail.ru>,
	<50036421.1050607@colbyconsulting.com>,
	<002e01cd6358$8d431cb0$a7c95610$@net>
Message-ID: <50042356.15463.35EE3C5F@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

Converting the initial image won't change the final size. Icons are essentially .bmps.  They're 
probably saved as 32bit colour.  Can you change then to 256 colour?

-- 
Stuart

On 16 Jul 2012 at 9:40, Mark Simms wrote:

> Per the recommendations from members on this group,
> I purchased this and gave it a whirl.
> For $20, it did a nice job of converting some JPG images to ICON format.
> However, the size of the icon files surprised me...almost 10x the size of
> the original !
> For Windows 256x256 icons, the images were very nice.
> However, it would be impractical to use these files as custom Ribbon images,
> wouldn't it ?
> I think I should probably convert the JPG to PNG format.
> 
> 
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From steve at goodhall.info  Mon Jul 16 09:31:50 2012
From: steve at goodhall.info (Steve Goodhall)
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2012 10:31:50 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Icon Developer
In-Reply-To: <50042356.15463.35EE3C5F@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <1342350212.450485652@f251.mail.ru>,
	<50036421.1050607@colbyconsulting.com>,
	<002e01cd6358$8d431cb0$a7c95610$@net>
	<50042356.15463.35EE3C5F@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <9f8e89a0-6eef-45d9-ae4b-8862a4737d6e@blur>

Icon files support multiple images of different sizes.  Starting with Vista  
png format is supported.  Wikipedia has a decent article.

Steve Goodhall, MSCS, PMP

-----Original message-----
From: Stuart McLachlan <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg>
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving  
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Mon, Jul 16, 2012 14:22:34 GMT+00:00
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Icon Developer

Converting the initial image won't change the final size. Icons are  
essentially .bmps.  They're 
probably saved as 32bit colour.  Can you change then to 256 colour?

-- 
Stuart

On 16 Jul 2012 at 9:40, Mark Simms wrote:

> Per the recommendations from members on this group,
> I purchased this and gave it a whirl.
> For $20, it did a nice job of converting some JPG images to ICON format.
> However, the size of the icon files surprised me...almost 10x the size of
> the original !
> For Windows 256x256 icons, the images were very nice.
> However, it would be impractical to use these files as custom Ribbon  
images,
> wouldn't it ?
> I think I should probably convert the JPG to PNG format.
> 
> 
> -- 
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> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 


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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Mon Jul 16 11:38:10 2012
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2012 02:38:10 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Icon Developer
In-Reply-To: <9f8e89a0-6eef-45d9-ae4b-8862a4737d6e@blur>
References: <1342350212.450485652@f251.mail.ru>,
	<50042356.15463.35EE3C5F@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>,
	<9f8e89a0-6eef-45d9-ae4b-8862a4737d6e@blur>
Message-ID: <50044372.20210.366BA9B4@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

I stand corrected. I missed the change in Vista to support PNG format icons.

Thanks for that info.

-- 
Stuart

On 16 Jul 2012 at 10:31, Steve Goodhall wrote:

> Icon files support multiple images of different sizes.  Starting with Vista  
> png format is supported.  Wikipedia has a decent article.
> 
> Steve Goodhall, MSCS, PMP
> 
> -----Original message-----
> From: Stuart McLachlan <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg>
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving  
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Mon, Jul 16, 2012 14:22:34 GMT+00:00
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Icon Developer
> 
> Converting the initial image won't change the final size. Icons are  
> essentially .bmps.  They're 
> probably saved as 32bit colour.  Can you change then to 256 colour?
> 
> -- 
> Stuart
> 
> On 16 Jul 2012 at 9:40, Mark Simms wrote:
> 
> > Per the recommendations from members on this group,
> > I purchased this and gave it a whirl.
> > For $20, it did a nice job of converting some JPG images to ICON format.
> > However, the size of the icon files surprised me...almost 10x the size of
> > the original !
> > For Windows 256x256 icons, the images were very nice.
> > However, it would be impractical to use these files as custom Ribbon  
> images,
> > wouldn't it ?
> > I think I should probably convert the JPG to PNG format.
> > 
> > 
> > -- 
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> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > 
> 
> 
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> 



From marksimms at verizon.net  Mon Jul 16 21:32:01 2012
From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms)
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2012 22:32:01 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] New Microsoft Office
In-Reply-To: <50044372.20210.366BA9B4@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <1342350212.450485652@f251.mail.ru>,
	<50042356.15463.35EE3C5F@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>,
	<9f8e89a0-6eef-45d9-ae4b-8862a4737d6e@blur>
	<50044372.20210.366BA9B4@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <007701cd63c4$590c71a0$0b2554e0$@net>

http://www.zdnet.com/a-new-microsoft-office-a-new-microsoft-office-division-
7000000978/

They forgot to also mention: "New Microsoft CEO".
More Badly needed IMHO.




From dbdoug at gmail.com  Mon Jul 16 22:09:25 2012
From: dbdoug at gmail.com (Doug Steele)
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2012 20:09:25 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] New Microsoft Office
In-Reply-To: <007701cd63c4$590c71a0$0b2554e0$@net>
References: <1342350212.450485652@f251.mail.ru>
	<50042356.15463.35EE3C5F@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<9f8e89a0-6eef-45d9-ae4b-8862a4737d6e@blur>
	<50044372.20210.366BA9B4@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<007701cd63c4$590c71a0$0b2554e0$@net>
Message-ID: <CAFa8NkiCoh-L=wwDTFkXhR5kztsSc5-ce_xku6Q4Zni82Boaiw@mail.gmail.com>

I didn't see any mention of Access in the articles published today
about Office 2013.  Anyone see anything?

Doug

On Mon, Jul 16, 2012 at 7:32 PM, Mark Simms <marksimms at verizon.net> wrote:
> http://www.zdnet.com/a-new-microsoft-office-a-new-microsoft-office-division-
> 7000000978/
>
> They forgot to also mention: "New Microsoft CEO".
> More Badly needed IMHO.
>
>
>
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Jul 16 23:15:26 2012
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2012 00:15:26 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] My Pi came today.
Message-ID: <5004E6DE.6040704@colbyconsulting.com>

Of course I have no HDMI cable that adapts to my flat panel displays.  I ordered one tonight.
-- 
John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it



From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au  Mon Jul 16 23:17:57 2012
From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins)
Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2012 04:17:57 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] New Microsoft Office
In-Reply-To: <CAFa8NkiCoh-L=wwDTFkXhR5kztsSc5-ce_xku6Q4Zni82Boaiw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1342350212.450485652@f251.mail.ru>
	<50042356.15463.35EE3C5F@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<9f8e89a0-6eef-45d9-ae4b-8862a4737d6e@blur>
	<50044372.20210.366BA9B4@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<007701cd63c4$590c71a0$0b2554e0$@net>
	<CAFa8NkiCoh-L=wwDTFkXhR5kztsSc5-ce_xku6Q4Zni82Boaiw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B524FCD9FD@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>

I can see an Icon for Access here, but info is thin to find right now...

<<http://mashable.com/2012/07/16/microsoft-office-15-review/>>



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Doug Steele
Sent: Tuesday, 17 July 2012 1:09 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] New Microsoft Office

I didn't see any mention of Access in the articles published today about Office 2013.  Anyone see anything?

Doug

On Mon, Jul 16, 2012 at 7:32 PM, Mark Simms <marksimms at verizon.net> wrote:
> http://www.zdnet.com/a-new-microsoft-office-a-new-microsoft-office-div
> ision-
> 7000000978/
>
> They forgot to also mention: "New Microsoft CEO".
> More Badly needed IMHO.
>
>
>
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From marksimms at verizon.net  Tue Jul 17 07:48:34 2012
From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms)
Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2012 08:48:34 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] New Microsoft Office
In-Reply-To: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B524FCD9FD@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
References: <1342350212.450485652@f251.mail.ru>
	<50042356.15463.35EE3C5F@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<9f8e89a0-6eef-45d9-ae4b-8862a4737d6e@blur>
	<50044372.20210.366BA9B4@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<007701cd63c4$590c71a0$0b2554e0$@net>
	<CAFa8NkiCoh-L=wwDTFkXhR5kztsSc5-ce_xku6Q4Zni82Boaiw@mail.gmail.com>
	<56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B524FCD9FD@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <007401cd641a$7ab4d0d0$701e7270$@net>

I am sure all VBA will have to be rewritten into a new scripting language.
Opportunity ? Could be...
>
> I can see an Icon for Access here, but info is thin to find right
> now...
>
> <<http://mashable.com/2012/07/16/microsoft-office-15-review/>>
>



From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue Jul 17 07:59:20 2012
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2012 08:59:20 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] New Microsoft Office
In-Reply-To: <007401cd641a$7ab4d0d0$701e7270$@net>
References: <1342350212.450485652@f251.mail.ru>
	<50042356.15463.35EE3C5F@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<9f8e89a0-6eef-45d9-ae4b-8862a4737d6e@blur>
	<50044372.20210.366BA9B4@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<007701cd63c4$590c71a0$0b2554e0$@net>
	<CAFa8NkiCoh-L=wwDTFkXhR5kztsSc5-ce_xku6Q4Zni82Boaiw@mail.gmail.com>
	<56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B524FCD9FD@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
	<007401cd641a$7ab4d0d0$701e7270$@net>
Message-ID: <500561A8.7020100@colbyconsulting.com>

 > Opportunity ? Could be...

LOL.  Not the kind of opportunity I am looking for.  My FEs use classes, raise and sink events and 
so forth.  I am going to convert that to scripting language?

Personally I will continue to develop in 2003 as long as I have any maintenance work and all new 
development is done elsewhere.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it


On 7/17/2012 8:48 AM, Mark Simms wrote:
> I am sure all VBA will have to be rewritten into a new scripting language.
> Opportunity ? Could be...
>>
>> I can see an Icon for Access here, but info is thin to find right
>> now...
>>
>> <<http://mashable.com/2012/07/16/microsoft-office-15-review/>>
>>
>
>



From ssharkins at gmail.com  Tue Jul 17 08:14:42 2012
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2012 09:14:42 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] New Microsoft Office
References: <1342350212.450485652@f251.mail.ru><50042356.15463.35EE3C5F@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg><9f8e89a0-6eef-45d9-ae4b-8862a4737d6e@blur><50044372.20210.366BA9B4@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg><007701cd63c4$590c71a0$0b2554e0$@net><CAFa8NkiCoh-L=wwDTFkXhR5kztsSc5-ce_xku6Q4Zni82Boaiw@mail.gmail.com><56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B524FCD9FD@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com><007401cd641a$7ab4d0d0$701e7270$@net>
	<500561A8.7020100@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <75CE4B0AE21E43AAB8E4E577FA622785@SusanHarkins>

I'm going to see if I can sell a "10 developers respond to the Office 15 
public preview" -- stay tuned -- I'll be picking your brains.

Susan H.


> > Opportunity ? Could be...
>
> LOL.  Not the kind of opportunity I am looking for.  My FEs use classes, 
> raise and sink events and so forth.  I am going to convert that to 
> scripting language?
>
> Personally I will continue to develop in 2003 as long as I have any 
> maintenance work and all new development is done elsewhere.
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting


From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk  Tue Jul 17 13:59:49 2012
From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid)
Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2012 19:59:49 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Office 2013
In-Reply-To: <2CF550FDAAD94297992232857506A2D7@MINSTER>
References: <CAKhUvEX=hHRWonQ9w04skDpCPW_fZWch206M1FPdophnQNKUuA@mail.gmail.com>,
	<2CF550FDAAD94297992232857506A2D7@MINSTER>
Message-ID: <631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB082957BD7A4BC8F@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk>

For those interested

Sharepoint 2013 preview has been released and some of the office 13 bits. You can an also sign up for an online preview

http://technet.microsoft.com/en-US/evalcenter/hh973397.aspx?wt.mc_id=TEC_121_1_33

Martin


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Tel : 02890976174
Email : mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk
Sharepoint Training Portal

From BradM at blackforestltd.com  Tue Jul 17 18:56:22 2012
From: BradM at blackforestltd.com (Brad Marks)
Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2012 18:56:22 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Which Process is Holding a Flat File?
References: <CAKhUvEX=hHRWonQ9w04skDpCPW_fZWch206M1FPdophnQNKUuA@mail.gmail.com>,
	<2CF550FDAAD94297992232857506A2D7@MINSTER>
	<631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB082957BD7A4BC8F@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C50163B234@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>

All,

We have an Access application that is set up in the Windows Scheduler to run every night.  This has worked nicely for many months.  One of the outputs of this application is a simple flat file.

Earlier this week, this automated process failed.

We then re-ran it and received this error message 
?The Microsoft Access database engine cannot open or write to the file. It is already opened exclusively by another user, or you need permission to view and write its data.?

With some digging, we found the process that had opened the file and we cancelled it.

Here is my question.

Is there an easy way to discern which process is holding a specific file?

Thanks,
Brad  

From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Tue Jul 17 22:42:13 2012
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2012 13:42:13 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Which Process is Holding a Flat File?
In-Reply-To: <E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C50163B234@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
References: <CAKhUvEX=hHRWonQ9w04skDpCPW_fZWch206M1FPdophnQNKUuA@mail.gmail.com>,
	<E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C50163B234@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
Message-ID: <50063095.29992.3DF1FB73@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

Lockhunter:  http://lockhunter.com/


On 17 Jul 2012 at 18:56, Brad Marks wrote:

> All,
> 
> We have an Access application that is set up in the Windows Scheduler to run every night.  This has worked nicely for many months.  One of the outputs of this application is a simple flat file.
> 
> Earlier this week, this automated process failed.
> 
> We then re-ran it and received this error message 
> "The Microsoft Access database engine cannot open or write to the file. It is already opened exclusively by another user, or you need permission to view and write its data."
> 
> With some digging, we found the process that had opened the file and we cancelled it.
> 
> Here is my question.
> 
> Is there an easy way to discern which process is holding a specific file?
> 
> Thanks,
> Brad  
> 




From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue Jul 17 23:21:35 2012
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2012 00:21:35 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Everything You Need to Know About Near Field
 Communication | Popular Science
Message-ID: <500639CF.9020907@colbyconsulting.com>

Fascinating stuff at a smart phone near you.

-- 
John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

http://www.popsci.com/gadgets/article/2011-02/near-field-communication-helping-your-smartphone-replace-your-wallet-2010/


From darren at activebilling.com.au  Tue Jul 17 23:42:21 2012
From: darren at activebilling.com.au (Darren)
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2012 14:42:21 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Reporting Services Jump to URL Question
Message-ID: <125101cd649f$ba759c60$2f60d520$@activebilling.com.au>

Hi All

Brains trust Q.

Sorry for the WAY OT post. This is killing me and is wasting too much time

I have a reporting services report.

One field on this report displays a proper and working UNC path to a file
(It's a link to a pdf file).

Something like: \\SomeServer\SomeShare\SomeFolder\SomeFile.pdf
<file:///\\SomeServer\SomeShare\SomeFolder\SomeFile.pdf> 

All good. 

If I set the "Jump to URL" property of this field to the UNC value it does
not work.

Not in the report designer nor in rep Services HTTP.

BUT!!! If I export the report to Excel the hyperlink portion works fine.

The UNC path is qualified - I can copy and paste it into START | RUN and
have it open the PDF.

But in the report.no joy.

 

I have googled and many have suggested adding file:// <file:///\\>  before
the actual path. Tried this in various permutations. No joy

Others have said things akin to adding window.open() to get it to open in a
browser. No joy.

Some has suggested Javascript.void() as well. No joy.

Nothing has worked and I've wasted way too many hours on something that
should be relatively straight forward.

Great unhappiness L

 

I have even tried "hard coding" a path such as =C:\Test.txt - (And this file
does exist) but all with no joy.

Need help - Signed a frustrated fat man.

Many thanks in advance.

Darren.

 


From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Wed Jul 18 05:53:53 2012
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2012 06:53:53 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Everything You Need to Know About Near Field
 Communication | Popular Science
In-Reply-To: <500639CF.9020907@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <500639CF.9020907@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1hmuHdqxo=nBGDnujcjmp2AByEs2wNQ1phStritaUr7OA@mail.gmail.com>

What's the URL?

On Wed, Jul 18, 2012 at 12:21 AM, jwcolby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>wrote:

> Fascinating stuff at a smart phone near you.
>
> Arthur

From BradM at blackforestltd.com  Wed Jul 18 07:54:34 2012
From: BradM at blackforestltd.com (Brad Marks)
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2012 07:54:34 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] How to Obtain the ?Date Modified? attribute of an
	External Excel File
References: <500639CF.9020907@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C50163B237@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>

All,

I have an Access 2007 application that obtains data from several Excel Files (Using both Linked Tables and Windows Automation).

I would like to be able to obtain the Excel files? ?Data Modified? field in order to place this date-time on an Access Report.

Is it possible to obtain this info?

Thanks,
Brad 


From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed Jul 18 07:59:28 2012
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2012 08:59:28 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Everything You Need to Know About Near Field
 Communication | Popular Science
Message-ID: <5006B330.6080704@colbyconsulting.com>

Sadly I lost the one link I found so intriguing.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Near_field_communication
http://www.popsci.com/gadgets/article/2011-02/near-field-communication-helping-your-smartphone-replace-your-wallet-2010/

-- 
John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it



From accessd at shaw.ca  Wed Jul 18 08:03:01 2012
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2012 06:03:01 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Everything You Need to Know About Near Field
	Communication | Popular Science
In-Reply-To: <500639CF.9020907@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <500639CF.9020907@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <1C72F85E27B04B2E863E7E810A9CDC79@creativesystemdesigns.com>

More goodies coming down the pipe.

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2012 9:22 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Everything You Need to Know About Near Field
Communication | Popular Science

Fascinating stuff at a smart phone near you.

-- 
John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

http://www.popsci.com/gadgets/article/2011-02/near-field-communication-helpi
ng-your-smartphone-replace-your-wallet-2010/

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From steve at goodhall.info  Wed Jul 18 08:04:46 2012
From: steve at goodhall.info (Steve Goodhall)
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2012 09:04:46 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] How to Obtain the ?Date Modified? attribute of an
	External Excel File
In-Reply-To: <E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C50163B237@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
Message-ID: <41315a634c549b0809c4b89a1794918322186518@sitemail.gate.com>

Yes.? You? need to use the scripting.filesystem object.? If you
can't find enough information by Googling, e-mail me off list and I
will send some samples tonight. 

	Regards,?

	Steve Goodhall, MSCS, PMP 
248-505-5204 

----- Original Message -----
From: Access Developers discussion and problem solving 
To:"Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
Cc:
Sent:Wed, 18 Jul 2012 07:54:34 -0500
Subject:[AccessD] How to Obtain the ?Date Modified? attribute of an
External Excel File

 All,

 I have an Access 2007 application that obtains data from several
Excel Files (Using both Linked Tables and Windows Automation).

 I would like to be able to obtain the Excel files Data Modified
field in order to place this date-time on an Access Report.

 Is it possible to obtain this info?

 Thanks,
 Brad 



From gustav at cactus.dk  Wed Jul 18 08:37:47 2012
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2012 15:37:47 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] How to Obtain the ?Date Modified? attribute
	of	anExternal Excel File
Message-ID: <s006d86b.012@cactus.dk>

Hi Brad

I thing FileDateTime could be used:

datFileDate = FileDateTime("d:\folder\yourfile.xlsx")

/gustav


----- Original Message -----
From: Access Developers discussion and problem solving 
To:"Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
Cc:
Sent:Wed, 18 Jul 2012 07:54:34 -0500
Subject:[AccessD] How to Obtain the ?Date Modified? attribute of an
External Excel File

 All,

 I have an Access 2007 application that obtains data from several
Excel Files (Using both Linked Tables and Windows Automation).

 I would like to be able to obtain the Excel files Data Modified
field in order to place this date-time on an Access Report.

 Is it possible to obtain this info?

 Thanks,
 Brad 


From BradM at blackforestltd.com  Wed Jul 18 08:58:46 2012
From: BradM at blackforestltd.com (Brad Marks)
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2012 08:58:46 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] How to Obtain the Date Modified attribute of	an
	External Excel File
References: <s006d86b.012@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C50163B238@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>

Steve and Gustav,

Thanks for the help, I really appreciate it.

Both methods work nicely.

I owe you both a beer  :-)

Brad


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com on behalf of Gustav Brock
Sent: Wed 7/18/2012 8:37 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] How to Obtain the ?Date Modified? attributeof	anExternal Excel File
 
Hi Brad

I thing FileDateTime could be used:

datFileDate = FileDateTime("d:\folder\yourfile.xlsx")

/gustav


----- Original Message -----
From: Access Developers discussion and problem solving 
To:"Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
Cc:
Sent:Wed, 18 Jul 2012 07:54:34 -0500
Subject:[AccessD] How to Obtain the ?Date Modified? attribute of an
External Excel File

 All,

 I have an Access 2007 application that obtains data from several
Excel Files (Using both Linked Tables and Windows Automation).

 I would like to be able to obtain the Excel files Data Modified
field in order to place this date-time on an Access Report.

 Is it possible to obtain this info?

 Thanks,
 Brad 

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From gustav at cactus.dk  Thu Jul 19 08:19:36 2012
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2012 15:19:36 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] What's New in Access 2013?
Message-ID: <s008259e.034@cactus.dk>

Hi all

Not much except for the cleaner Metro styled UI:

<quote>
In a word, apps.
>/quote>

http://officepreview.microsoft.com/en-us/support/what-s-new-in-access-2013-HA102809500.aspx

These apps are macro driven (ouch!) and requires SharePoint or Office 365 as the "backend" (= no database but "lists" only).

Would have loved a C#A!

/gustav


From jimdettman at verizon.net  Thu Jul 19 08:35:27 2012
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2012 09:35:27 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] What's New in Access 2013?
In-Reply-To: <s008259e.034@cactus.dk>
References: <s008259e.034@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <0C9FC801C5F34591BC6787F9EDCDB3E9@XPS>


 Access is clearly moving to the web and VBA is not going with it...

Jim. 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2012 09:20 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] What's New in Access 2013?

Hi all

Not much except for the cleaner Metro styled UI:

<quote>
In a word, apps.
>/quote>

http://officepreview.microsoft.com/en-us/support/what-s-new-in-access-2013-H
A102809500.aspx

These apps are macro driven (ouch!) and requires SharePoint or Office 365 as
the "backend" (= no database but "lists" only).

Would have loved a C#A!

/gustav

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From marksimms at verizon.net  Thu Jul 19 09:05:25 2012
From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms)
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2012 10:05:25 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] What's New in Access 2013?
In-Reply-To: <0C9FC801C5F34591BC6787F9EDCDB3E9@XPS>
References: <s008259e.034@cactus.dk> <0C9FC801C5F34591BC6787F9EDCDB3E9@XPS>
Message-ID: <006a01cd65b7$8c1947e0$a44bd7a0$@net>

Is a conversion tool a feasible solution ?
If the new scripting language is all GUI-driven, then this would not be
possible.....
Unless the internals of the new scripting language is made available.
Doubtful.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-
> bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
> Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2012 9:35 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] What's New in Access 2013?
>
>
>  Access is clearly moving to the web and VBA is not going with it...
>
> Jim.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
> Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2012 09:20 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] What's New in Access 2013?
>
> Hi all
>
> Not much except for the cleaner Metro styled UI:
>
> <quote>
> In a word, apps.
> >/quote>
>
> http://officepreview.microsoft.com/en-us/support/what-s-new-in-access-
> 2013-H
> A102809500.aspx
>
> These apps are macro driven (ouch!) and requires SharePoint or Office
> 365 as
> the "backend" (= no database but "lists" only).
>
> Would have loved a C#A!
>
> /gustav
>
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From jimdettman at verizon.net  Thu Jul 19 09:20:12 2012
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2012 10:20:12 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] What's New in Access 2013?
In-Reply-To: <006a01cd65b7$8c1947e0$a44bd7a0$@net>
References: <s008259e.034@cactus.dk> <0C9FC801C5F34591BC6787F9EDCDB3E9@XPS>
	<006a01cd65b7$8c1947e0$a44bd7a0$@net>
Message-ID: <959267AFB05145C0A5F88D91EBCB4B27@XPS>

Mark,

 If you look at 2010 and the macro editor, it looks like it is based on an
XML file, but nothing's been documented, so that's pure conjecture on my
part. 

 Frankly, if a converter was possible, I would have thought that would have
shown up in 2010, but I guess they were too focused on just getting the web
part right without having enough time to worry about getting existing apps
ported (2007 was a pre-beta attempt at the web as far as I'm concerned).

  But I'm not even sure existing apps getting ported is a priority or even
feasible.  As we've discussed here, the web works differently then a
standard desktop app.  Even within A2010, there are fundamental differences
between a web and standard DB, so would a converter even be worth it since
most of the code may no longer apply?  Most likely not.

  Think anyone what wants to take an existing app to the web with Access is
going to be in for a re-write and with significant loss in functionality.

Jim.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Simms
Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2012 10:05 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] What's New in Access 2013?

Is a conversion tool a feasible solution ?
If the new scripting language is all GUI-driven, then this would not be
possible.....
Unless the internals of the new scripting language is made available.
Doubtful.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-
> bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
> Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2012 9:35 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] What's New in Access 2013?
>
>
>  Access is clearly moving to the web and VBA is not going with it...
>
> Jim.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
> Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2012 09:20 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] What's New in Access 2013?
>
> Hi all
>
> Not much except for the cleaner Metro styled UI:
>
> <quote>
> In a word, apps.
> >/quote>
>
> http://officepreview.microsoft.com/en-us/support/what-s-new-in-access-
> 2013-H
> A102809500.aspx
>
> These apps are macro driven (ouch!) and requires SharePoint or Office
> 365 as
> the "backend" (= no database but "lists" only).
>
> Would have loved a C#A!
>
> /gustav
>
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From marksimms at verizon.net  Thu Jul 19 10:33:22 2012
From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms)
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2012 11:33:22 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] What's New in Access 2013?
In-Reply-To: <959267AFB05145C0A5F88D91EBCB4B27@XPS>
References: <s008259e.034@cactus.dk> <0C9FC801C5F34591BC6787F9EDCDB3E9@XPS>
	<006a01cd65b7$8c1947e0$a44bd7a0$@net>
	<959267AFB05145C0A5F88D91EBCB4B27@XPS>
Message-ID: <003701cd65c3$d514f140$7f3ed3c0$@net>

Jim - with the advent of Web 2.0 and HTML 5, many web apps become very close
in GUI functionality to desktop apps.
Outlook 2010 Web is a perfect example.
Not exactly the same, but very close.

Old web apps are "clunky" at best.
I'd say 80% of websites needs to be rewritten.
But "in this economy", it ain't happening.
So the web is likely to remain a hodge-podge mix of clunkers and cool, rich
user interface sites.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-
> bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
> Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2012 10:20 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] What's New in Access 2013?
>
> Mark,
>
>  If you look at 2010 and the macro editor, it looks like it is based on
> an
> XML file, but nothing's been documented, so that's pure conjecture on
> my
> part.
>
>  Frankly, if a converter was possible, I would have thought that would
> have
> shown up in 2010, but I guess they were too focused on just getting the
> web
> part right without having enough time to worry about getting existing
> apps
> ported (2007 was a pre-beta attempt at the web as far as I'm
> concerned).
>
>   But I'm not even sure existing apps getting ported is a priority or
> even
> feasible.  As we've discussed here, the web works differently then a
> standard desktop app.  Even within A2010, there are fundamental
> differences
> between a web and standard DB, so would a converter even be worth it
> since
> most of the code may no longer apply?  Most likely not.
>
>   Think anyone what wants to take an existing app to the web with
> Access is
> going to be in for a re-write and with significant loss in
> functionality.
>
> Jim.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Simms
> Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2012 10:05 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] What's New in Access 2013?
>
> Is a conversion tool a feasible solution ?
> If the new scripting language is all GUI-driven, then this would not be
> possible.....
> Unless the internals of the new scripting language is made available.
> Doubtful.
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-
> > bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
> > Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2012 9:35 AM
> > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] What's New in Access 2013?
> >
> >
> >  Access is clearly moving to the web and VBA is not going with it...
> >
> > Jim.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav
> Brock
> > Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2012 09:20 AM
> > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > Subject: [AccessD] What's New in Access 2013?
> >
> > Hi all
> >
> > Not much except for the cleaner Metro styled UI:
> >
> > <quote>
> > In a word, apps.
> > >/quote>
> >
> > http://officepreview.microsoft.com/en-us/support/what-s-new-in-
> access-
> > 2013-H
> > A102809500.aspx
> >
> > These apps are macro driven (ouch!) and requires SharePoint or Office
> > 365 as
> > the "backend" (= no database but "lists" only).
> >
> > Would have loved a C#A!
> >
> > /gustav
> >
> > --
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> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
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> >
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> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com



From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Jul 19 10:58:31 2012
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2012 11:58:31 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] What's New in Access 2013?
In-Reply-To: <959267AFB05145C0A5F88D91EBCB4B27@XPS>
References: <s008259e.034@cactus.dk> <0C9FC801C5F34591BC6787F9EDCDB3E9@XPS>
	<006a01cd65b7$8c1947e0$a44bd7a0$@net>
	<959267AFB05145C0A5F88D91EBCB4B27@XPS>
Message-ID: <50082EA7.5050501@colbyconsulting.com>

I put the entire Access FE in a runtime on the client's computer, hitting SQL Server over the web as 
the back end.  Of course it doesn't run in a browser and so there are install issues but browsers 
reaaaaally suck for more than casual stuff.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 7/19/2012 10:20 AM, Jim Dettman wrote:
> Mark,
>
>   If you look at 2010 and the macro editor, it looks like it is based on an
> XML file, but nothing's been documented, so that's pure conjecture on my
> part.
>
>   Frankly, if a converter was possible, I would have thought that would have
> shown up in 2010, but I guess they were too focused on just getting the web
> part right without having enough time to worry about getting existing apps
> ported (2007 was a pre-beta attempt at the web as far as I'm concerned).
>
>    But I'm not even sure existing apps getting ported is a priority or even
> feasible.  As we've discussed here, the web works differently then a
> standard desktop app.  Even within A2010, there are fundamental differences
> between a web and standard DB, so would a converter even be worth it since
> most of the code may no longer apply?  Most likely not.
>
>    Think anyone what wants to take an existing app to the web with Access is
> going to be in for a re-write and with significant loss in functionality.
>
> Jim.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Simms
> Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2012 10:05 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] What's New in Access 2013?
>
> Is a conversion tool a feasible solution ?
> If the new scripting language is all GUI-driven, then this would not be
> possible.....
> Unless the internals of the new scripting language is made available.
> Doubtful.
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-
>> bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
>> Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2012 9:35 AM
>> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] What's New in Access 2013?
>>
>>
>>   Access is clearly moving to the web and VBA is not going with it...
>>
>> Jim.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
>> Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2012 09:20 AM
>> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>> Subject: [AccessD] What's New in Access 2013?
>>
>> Hi all
>>
>> Not much except for the cleaner Metro styled UI:
>>
>> <quote>
>> In a word, apps.
>>> /quote>
>>
>> http://officepreview.microsoft.com/en-us/support/what-s-new-in-access-
>> 2013-H
>> A102809500.aspx
>>
>> These apps are macro driven (ouch!) and requires SharePoint or Office
>> 365 as
>> the "backend" (= no database but "lists" only).
>>
>> Would have loved a C#A!
>>
>> /gustav
>>
>> --
>> AccessD mailing list
>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>
>> --
>> AccessD mailing list
>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>


From dkalsow at yahoo.com  Thu Jul 19 11:55:56 2012
From: dkalsow at yahoo.com (Dale Kalsow)
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2012 09:55:56 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [AccessD] referenceing a subfrom field
In-Reply-To: <50082EA7.5050501@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <s008259e.034@cactus.dk> <0C9FC801C5F34591BC6787F9EDCDB3E9@XPS>
	<006a01cd65b7$8c1947e0$a44bd7a0$@net>
	<959267AFB05145C0A5F88D91EBCB4B27@XPS>
	<50082EA7.5050501@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <1342716956.40937.YahooMailNeo@web130104.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Good Morning,
?
I am trying to refrence a field from a subform of a subform is this possible?? I usually use the expression builder, but it only goes one level deep.
?
Thanks!
?
Dale

From jackandpat.d at gmail.com  Thu Jul 19 12:35:11 2012
From: jackandpat.d at gmail.com (jack drawbridge)
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2012 13:35:11 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] referenceing a subfrom field
In-Reply-To: <1342716956.40937.YahooMailNeo@web130104.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <s008259e.034@cactus.dk> <0C9FC801C5F34591BC6787F9EDCDB3E9@XPS>
	<006a01cd65b7$8c1947e0$a44bd7a0$@net>
	<959267AFB05145C0A5F88D91EBCB4B27@XPS>
	<50082EA7.5050501@colbyconsulting.com>
	<1342716956.40937.YahooMailNeo@web130104.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CAKvidAss3mVF+sXrAPu=y-+KxKLa0k1UNZJjK7KnyAUhP_o2Rw@mail.gmail.com>

This is the reference that I'm aware of:
http://access.mvps.org/access/forms/frm0031.htm

On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 12:55 PM, Dale Kalsow <dkalsow at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Good Morning,
>
> I am trying to refrence a field from a subform of a subform is this
> possible?  I usually use the expression builder, but it only goes one level
> deep.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Dale
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>

From marksimms at verizon.net  Thu Jul 19 12:44:32 2012
From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms)
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2012 13:44:32 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Windows 8 Mail Leaves Users Pining For the Desktop
 -	or Even Their Phones
In-Reply-To: <001c01cd62e5$a3be6850$eb3b38f0$@net>
References: <5000F4C1.7000906@colbyconsulting.com>
	<50017DFB.5806.2B986DA5@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<6F151E7EBA154E2FB760FB6EF2C2BEF6@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<5001E372.2702.2D24C889@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<E3B44192263F469FA7779A9C826B2FFF@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<F42CC738-EB38-4181-94D3-A30B1D1F3933@phulse.com>
	<8061E49E5CAE4418BDDC68579ED2AF9A@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<AD06A2D6-B7BF-472C-809D-C9FBF82CBCC7@phulse.com>
	<001c01cd62e5$a3be6850$eb3b38f0$@net>
Message-ID: <004501cd65d6$280a9000$781fb000$@net>

http://www.samsung.com/us/article/galaxy-s-iii-designed-to-make-life-easier?
MKM_RID=0117661573&MKM_MID=1108749&CID=eml-mb-cp-0712-163

Samsung's great new competitive offering to the iPhone has MOVED to Android
O/S.
I wonder why ? ;)

p.s.: HTC hot new phone also embraced Android.
http://www.htc.com/us/smartphones/htc-one-x-att/

new Redmond zinger (chant several times):
Windows 8 ? TOO Late!!
Windows 8 ? TOO Late!!
Windows 8 ? TOO Late!!

Microsoft's only chance of survival now:
1) Windows 8 has got to come-out of the box flawless.
2) App development has got to be super-easy in Visual Studio 2012....I mean
like "push button".
I've got to be able to develop Win8 phone apps in half the time of Android
or Apple's IOS 6 (not 5).



From accessd at shaw.ca  Thu Jul 19 13:11:54 2012
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2012 11:11:54 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] What's New in Access 2013?
In-Reply-To: <50082EA7.5050501@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <s008259e.034@cactus.dk>
	<0C9FC801C5F34591BC6787F9EDCDB3E9@XPS><006a01cd65b7$8c1947e0$a44bd7a0$@net><959267AFB05145C0A5F88D91EBCB4B27@XPS>
	<50082EA7.5050501@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <0B227E04AD094E8AA909ABC5D348A527@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Hi John:

Actually you can do anything with a browser but it just takes a whole
different way of thinking. 

Many awesome database systems have been designed to run through the web and
they support thousands of users quickly and efficiently. Check out all the
banks, insurance companies and every franchises POS system...they are all
web based...with very minor exceptions like the hybrids which are rapidly
disappearing. 

I have built a couple of proprietary, in-house, intranet browser interface
applications. They are not nearly as pretty as I could make today. All you
need is a server with a web server installed like IIS or Apache. (I have
used Apache a few times but am hardly more than a novice.) Fortunately, the
price is right for either.

I have recently been approached to write a web based application that has
the same appearance and feel of an Access DB application. It will take about
a year but the new client pays me a monthly amount so there is no super
rush...but it is very possible. In fact I can add features that Access could
never supply or just simple features that would take a good VB programmer a
week to write but on a web site would take just minutes to install. There is
of course years of code that have re-written and abandoned.

In the web-based field there are some really incredible innovations going on
and here is just something to wet your appetite with the development of
HTML5.

http://html5demos.com/

(Unfortunately, for the most part IE has refused to play but really who
cares anymore?)

Jim  

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2012 8:59 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] What's New in Access 2013?

I put the entire Access FE in a runtime on the client's computer, hitting
SQL Server over the web as 
the back end.  Of course it doesn't run in a browser and so there are
install issues but browsers 
reaaaaally suck for more than casual stuff.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 7/19/2012 10:20 AM, Jim Dettman wrote:
> Mark,
>
>   If you look at 2010 and the macro editor, it looks like it is based on
an
> XML file, but nothing's been documented, so that's pure conjecture on my
> part.
>
>   Frankly, if a converter was possible, I would have thought that would
have
> shown up in 2010, but I guess they were too focused on just getting the
web
> part right without having enough time to worry about getting existing apps
> ported (2007 was a pre-beta attempt at the web as far as I'm concerned).
>
>    But I'm not even sure existing apps getting ported is a priority or
even
> feasible.  As we've discussed here, the web works differently then a
> standard desktop app.  Even within A2010, there are fundamental
differences
> between a web and standard DB, so would a converter even be worth it since
> most of the code may no longer apply?  Most likely not.
>
>    Think anyone what wants to take an existing app to the web with Access
is
> going to be in for a re-write and with significant loss in functionality.
>
> Jim.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Simms
> Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2012 10:05 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] What's New in Access 2013?
>
> Is a conversion tool a feasible solution ?
> If the new scripting language is all GUI-driven, then this would not be
> possible.....
> Unless the internals of the new scripting language is made available.
> Doubtful.
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-
>> bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
>> Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2012 9:35 AM
>> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] What's New in Access 2013?
>>
>>
>>   Access is clearly moving to the web and VBA is not going with it...
>>
>> Jim.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
>> Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2012 09:20 AM
>> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>> Subject: [AccessD] What's New in Access 2013?
>>
>> Hi all
>>
>> Not much except for the cleaner Metro styled UI:
>>
>> <quote>
>> In a word, apps.
>>> /quote>
>>
>> http://officepreview.microsoft.com/en-us/support/what-s-new-in-access-
>> 2013-H
>> A102809500.aspx
>>
>> These apps are macro driven (ouch!) and requires SharePoint or Office
>> 365 as
>> the "backend" (= no database but "lists" only).
>>
>> Would have loved a C#A!
>>
>> /gustav
>>
>> --
>> AccessD mailing list
>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>
>> --
>> AccessD mailing list
>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>

-- 
AccessD mailing list
AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com


From charlotte.foust at gmail.com  Thu Jul 19 16:46:23 2012
From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2012 14:46:23 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Am I nuts?
Message-ID: <CAH+Met_WpcwT86ie8ZT4ieCjqF_VsCUwttqx3G5B7v2oH8B30Q@mail.gmail.com>

I can remember opening forms modal using the acDialog constant and then
hiding them to return the focus to the calling form.  When I try that in
A2k7 using the 2002-2003 file format, the SysCmd action
acSysCmdGetObjectState says it's still open, but when I try to address that
form in code, I get and error that the application can't find the form,  Is
this a "feature" of 2007?  All I need to do is read a value off the hidden
form, but I can't make it work.

I would swear I used to do this all the time, but I'm trying to keep the
dot net programming memories separate from the Access VBA memories, and the
old gal ain't what she used to be!

Any suggestions or ideas?

Charlotte

From charlotte.foust at gmail.com  Thu Jul 19 16:52:59 2012
From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2012 14:52:59 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Windows 8 Mail Leaves Users Pining For the Desktop -
 or Even Their Phones
In-Reply-To: <004501cd65d6$280a9000$781fb000$@net>
References: <5000F4C1.7000906@colbyconsulting.com>
	<50017DFB.5806.2B986DA5@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<6F151E7EBA154E2FB760FB6EF2C2BEF6@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<5001E372.2702.2D24C889@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<E3B44192263F469FA7779A9C826B2FFF@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<F42CC738-EB38-4181-94D3-A30B1D1F3933@phulse.com>
	<8061E49E5CAE4418BDDC68579ED2AF9A@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<AD06A2D6-B7BF-472C-809D-C9FBF82CBCC7@phulse.com>
	<001c01cd62e5$a3be6850$eb3b38f0$@net>
	<004501cd65d6$280a9000$781fb000$@net>
Message-ID: <CAH+Met-W8tBZw7uh_ijdrf-u25hFWpiuWS6vRxB7hU=+41ya5w@mail.gmail.com>

That isn't eactly new, Mark.  I had a Galaxy S and now have a Galaxy S II,
both of which were/are android.  The main difference is the verison of
android them run, and the GS II has been upgraded to the latest Ice Cream
Sandwich build to keep up with the GS III,  I really like the latest OS
features, BTW.  Who the heck needs to bother with Win8 on a phone?

Charlotte

On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 10:44 AM, Mark Simms <marksimms at verizon.net> wrote:

>
> http://www.samsung.com/us/article/galaxy-s-iii-designed-to-make-life-easier?
> MKM_RID=0117661573&MKM_MID=1108749&CID=eml-mb-cp-0712-163<http://www.samsung.com/us/article/galaxy-s-iii-designed-to-make-life-easier?MKM_RID=0117661573&MKM_MID=1108749&CID=eml-mb-cp-0712-163>
>
> Samsung's great new competitive offering to the iPhone has MOVED to Android
> O/S.
> I wonder why ? ;)
>
>

From davidmcafee at gmail.com  Thu Jul 19 16:58:14 2012
From: davidmcafee at gmail.com (David McAfee)
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2012 14:58:14 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Am I nuts?
In-Reply-To: <CAH+Met_WpcwT86ie8ZT4ieCjqF_VsCUwttqx3G5B7v2oH8B30Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAH+Met_WpcwT86ie8ZT4ieCjqF_VsCUwttqx3G5B7v2oH8B30Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAMhYZWZLPWBkOz4gmkKkgqSBf+X+oQf=XYBq6C7PxC4foxpebg@mail.gmail.com>

I still open forms in hidden mode in 2007, but I don't open them modal or
acdialog.

I would think AcDialog and wouldn't be allowed.

David

On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 2:46 PM, Charlotte Foust
<charlotte.foust at gmail.com>wrote:

> I can remember opening forms modal using the acDialog constant and then
> hiding them to return the focus to the calling form.  When I try that in
> A2k7 using the 2002-2003 file format, the SysCmd action
> acSysCmdGetObjectState says it's still open, but when I try to address that
> form in code, I get and error that the application can't find the form,  Is
> this a "feature" of 2007?  All I need to do is read a value off the hidden
> form, but I can't make it work.
>
> I would swear I used to do this all the time, but I'm trying to keep the
> dot net programming memories separate from the Access VBA memories, and the
> old gal ain't what she used to be!
>
> Any suggestions or ideas?
>
> Charlotte
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>

From marksimms at verizon.net  Thu Jul 19 17:40:43 2012
From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms)
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2012 18:40:43 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Windows 8 Mail Leaves Users Pining For the Desktop -
 or Even Their Phones
In-Reply-To: <CAH+Met-W8tBZw7uh_ijdrf-u25hFWpiuWS6vRxB7hU=+41ya5w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <5000F4C1.7000906@colbyconsulting.com>
	<50017DFB.5806.2B986DA5@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<6F151E7EBA154E2FB760FB6EF2C2BEF6@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<5001E372.2702.2D24C889@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<E3B44192263F469FA7779A9C826B2FFF@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<F42CC738-EB38-4181-94D3-A30B1D1F3933@phulse.com>
	<8061E49E5CAE4418BDDC68579ED2AF9A@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<AD06A2D6-B7BF-472C-809D-C9FBF82CBCC7@phulse.com>
	<001c01cd62e5$a3be6850$eb3b38f0$@net>	<004501cd65d6$280a9000$781fb000$@net>
	<CAH+Met-W8tBZw7uh_ijdrf-u25hFWpiuWS6vRxB7hU=+41ya5w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <006f01cd65ff$88777b50$996671f0$@net>

Re: " Who the heck needs to bother with Win8 on a phone?"
If you want to leverage your knowledge and make a buck...you do.
Can you imagine the time investment required to learn a new OS and it's API
?
Staggering....



From davidmcafee at gmail.com  Thu Jul 19 18:12:27 2012
From: davidmcafee at gmail.com (David McAfee)
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2012 16:12:27 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Windows 8 Mail Leaves Users Pining For the Desktop -
 or Even Their Phones
In-Reply-To: <006f01cd65ff$88777b50$996671f0$@net>
References: <5000F4C1.7000906@colbyconsulting.com>
	<50017DFB.5806.2B986DA5@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<6F151E7EBA154E2FB760FB6EF2C2BEF6@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<5001E372.2702.2D24C889@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<E3B44192263F469FA7779A9C826B2FFF@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<F42CC738-EB38-4181-94D3-A30B1D1F3933@phulse.com>
	<8061E49E5CAE4418BDDC68579ED2AF9A@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<AD06A2D6-B7BF-472C-809D-C9FBF82CBCC7@phulse.com>
	<001c01cd62e5$a3be6850$eb3b38f0$@net>
	<004501cd65d6$280a9000$781fb000$@net>
	<CAH+Met-W8tBZw7uh_ijdrf-u25hFWpiuWS6vRxB7hU=+41ya5w@mail.gmail.com>
	<006f01cd65ff$88777b50$996671f0$@net>
Message-ID: <CAMhYZWY011LLP_VZF-YMDU0PCEHYUTqevPnLV7LNWhL5a92X8A@mail.gmail.com>

Which is what they are making us do.... again....

On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 3:40 PM, Mark Simms <marksimms at verizon.net> wrote:

> Re: " Who the heck needs to bother with Win8 on a phone?"
> If you want to leverage your knowledge and make a buck...you do.
> Can you imagine the time investment required to learn a new OS and it's API
> ?
> Staggering....
>
>
> --
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> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>

From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Thu Jul 19 18:22:38 2012
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2012 09:22:38 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Windows 8 Mail Leaves Users Pining For the Desktop -
	or Even Their Phones
In-Reply-To: <006f01cd65ff$88777b50$996671f0$@net>
References: <5000F4C1.7000906@colbyconsulting.com>,
	<CAH+Met-W8tBZw7uh_ijdrf-u25hFWpiuWS6vRxB7hU=+41ya5w@mail.gmail.com>,
	<006f01cd65ff$88777b50$996671f0$@net>
Message-ID: <500896BE.14458.47510B3D@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

Yes.  But you have to do it whichever way you go now.

The choice is whether to learn the WinARM API or the Android API.

I know which way I'm going - with the proven, widely adopted mobile platform OS.

-- 
Stuart

On 19 Jul 2012 at 18:40, Mark Simms wrote:

> Re: " Who the heck needs to bother with Win8 on a phone?"
> If you want to leverage your knowledge and make a buck...you do.
> Can you imagine the time investment required to learn a new OS and it's API
> ?
> Staggering....
> 
> 
> -- 
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 



From davidmcafee at gmail.com  Thu Jul 19 18:27:40 2012
From: davidmcafee at gmail.com (David McAfee)
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2012 16:27:40 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Windows 8 Mail Leaves Users Pining For the Desktop -
 or Even Their Phones
In-Reply-To: <500896BE.14458.47510B3D@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <5000F4C1.7000906@colbyconsulting.com>
	<CAH+Met-W8tBZw7uh_ijdrf-u25hFWpiuWS6vRxB7hU=+41ya5w@mail.gmail.com>
	<006f01cd65ff$88777b50$996671f0$@net>
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There's always HTML5 + JQueryMobile + PhoneGap. :)

On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 4:22 PM, Stuart McLachlan <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg>wrote:

> Yes.  But you have to do it whichever way you go now.
>
> The choice is whether to learn the WinARM API or the Android API.
>
> I know which way I'm going - with the proven, widely adopted mobile
> platform OS.
>
> --
> Stuart
>
> On 19 Jul 2012 at 18:40, Mark Simms wrote:
>
> > Re: " Who the heck needs to bother with Win8 on a phone?"
> > If you want to leverage your knowledge and make a buck...you do.
> > Can you imagine the time investment required to learn a new OS and it's
> API
> > ?
> > Staggering....
> >
> >
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From hans.andersen at phulse.com  Thu Jul 19 18:47:03 2012
From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen)
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2012 16:47:03 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Windows 8 Mail Leaves Users Pining For the Desktop
	-or Even Their Phones
In-Reply-To: <5541AD2238714480A68AB3044AFB82C1@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <5000F4C1.7000906@colbyconsulting.com>
	<50017DFB.5806.2B986DA5@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<6F151E7EBA154E2FB760FB6EF2C2BEF6@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<5001E372.2702.2D24C889@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<E3B44192263F469FA7779A9C826B2FFF@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<F42CC738-EB38-4181-94D3-A30B1D1F3933@phulse.com>
	<8061E49E5CAE4418BDDC68579ED2AF9A@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<AD06A2D6-B7BF-472C-809D-C9FBF82CBCC7@phulse.com>
	<5541AD2238714480A68AB3044AFB82C1@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <970BA0EE-A4EC-403D-B742-73AE5633E8AE@phulse.com>

My main concern with regards to this isn't all the fancy non-standard enterprise features that Microsoft introduced with their Exchange product. Of course it's a challenge for others to support those features perfectly when it's designed by MS and patented by them too.

But something as basic as IMAP is something everyone does properly. And it is a very basic protocol that has been out for a long time (since 2003) and has a clearly defined RFC.

- Hans

Sent from my iPhone

On 2012-07-15, at 4:28 PM, "Jim Lawrence" <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:

> Hi Hans:
> 
> I was reading an article going on a couple of weeks ago explaining our three
> protocols we use for all emailing. 
> 
> http://signinx.com/difference-between-pop3-imap-smtp/
> 
> How Microsoft would be able to have any emailing without the use of one of
> the protocols is beyond me. 
> 
> Upon closer reading of the posted article it seems that Microsoft hasn't
> completed an appropriate email client; yet and there are no real
> alternatives for computers, with use the new Arm chip set. Building an email
> client would seem a no-brainer as currently it would put on the level with
> that of the iPad, which the writer said had to be "jail-broken", to make it
> fully functional or Apple's email version which he described as just
> plain-buggy. Everything at the moment depends on a completed version of the
> new office which will be an additional expense (Very expensive?).
> 
> According to another article, I can't seem to find now, it appears that
> Microsoft is attempting to move that functionality to the Cloud; its own
> Cloud. So it will be just like the new Win8 product, only supporting the IE
> browser. IMHO, MS is trying to become more Apple than Apple, in
> shutting-down and locking out all competition within their private preserve.
> 
> Of course there are still a few months before everything goes on sale and
> becomes official. I will be concerned at that point if no movement has been
> made on any mail client.
> 
> Jim 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Hans-Christian
> Andersen
> Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2012 2:59 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Windows 8 Mail Leaves Users Pining For the Desktop
> -or Even Their Phones
> 
> The big push is to get everyone to love Metro though. A lack of support for
> something as basic as IMAP is quite surprising.
> 
> Best regards,
> Hans-Christian Andersen
> 
> 
> On 15 Jul 2012, at 11:50, "Jim Lawrence" <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:
> 
>> I guess users will just have to learn how to make better usage out of
> Google
>> Mail, unfortunately they will have to figure how to do that with only the
> IE
>> browser available.
>> 
>> Jim
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Hans-Christian
>> Andersen
>> Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2012 11:50 PM
>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>> Subject: [AccessD] Windows 8 Mail Leaves Users Pining For the Desktop - or
>> Even Their Phones
>> 
>> 
> http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2012/07/windows-8-mail-leaves-
>> users-pining-for-the-desktop-or-even-their-phones/
>> 
>> -- snip --
>> 
>> "The e-mail client in Windows 8 is the shell of a potentially good
>> application - but Microsoft hasn't given it the proper care it deserves.
>> With less than a month before Windows 8 hits RTM, Mail is a mess that
>> doesn't support IMAP, can't connect to servers with self-signed
>> certificates, and lacks basic features like flagging messages for
> followup.
>> Metro Mail is feature-deficient compared not just to other desktop and
>> tablet apps - it's behind Microsoft's own phone platform. Whether used on
> a
>> tablet or desktop, this in-depth look concludes that Metro Mail in its
>> current form will have users pining for a real desktop application."
>> 
>> -- snip --
>> -- 
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From hans.andersen at phulse.com  Thu Jul 19 18:48:11 2012
From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen)
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2012 16:48:11 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Windows 8 Mail Leaves Users Pining For the Desktop
	-	or Even Their Phones
In-Reply-To: <001c01cd62e5$a3be6850$eb3b38f0$@net>
References: <5000F4C1.7000906@colbyconsulting.com>
	<50017DFB.5806.2B986DA5@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<6F151E7EBA154E2FB760FB6EF2C2BEF6@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<5001E372.2702.2D24C889@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<E3B44192263F469FA7779A9C826B2FFF@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<F42CC738-EB38-4181-94D3-A30B1D1F3933@phulse.com>
	<8061E49E5CAE4418BDDC68579ED2AF9A@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<AD06A2D6-B7BF-472C-809D-C9FBF82CBCC7@phulse.com>
	<001c01cd62e5$a3be6850$eb3b38f0$@net>
Message-ID: <B8492AB2-013A-4B93-8AEC-1432E6B304A8@phulse.com>

I haven't heard many express much love for Metro outside AccessD, I'm afraid to say.

- Hans

Sent from my iPhone

On 2012-07-15, at 4:57 PM, "Mark Simms" <marksimms at verizon.net> wrote:

> Hans - Why should there be a PUSH ? Shouldn't it just be "natural" ?
> 
>> The big push is to get everyone to love Metro though. A lack of support
>> for something as basic as IMAP is quite surprising.
>> 
>> Best regards,
>> Hans-Christian Andersen
> 
> 
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From marksimms at verizon.net  Thu Jul 19 20:07:16 2012
From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms)
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2012 21:07:16 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Windows 8 Mail Leaves Users Pining For the
 Desktop	-	or Even Their Phones
In-Reply-To: <B8492AB2-013A-4B93-8AEC-1432E6B304A8@phulse.com>
References: <5000F4C1.7000906@colbyconsulting.com>
	<50017DFB.5806.2B986DA5@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<6F151E7EBA154E2FB760FB6EF2C2BEF6@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<5001E372.2702.2D24C889@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<E3B44192263F469FA7779A9C826B2FFF@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<F42CC738-EB38-4181-94D3-A30B1D1F3933@phulse.com>
	<8061E49E5CAE4418BDDC68579ED2AF9A@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<AD06A2D6-B7BF-472C-809D-C9FBF82CBCC7@phulse.com>
	<001c01cd62e5$a3be6850$eb3b38f0$@net>
	<B8492AB2-013A-4B93-8AEC-1432E6B304A8@phulse.com>
Message-ID: <000501cd6614$0383c9c0$0a8b5d40$@net>

Re: "I haven't heard many express much love for Metro outside AccessD, I'm
afraid to say."

KOD: Kiss Of Death.

Can we please have a moment of silence for the death of Microsoft at the
hands of Steve Balmer ?
I know this is early, but this also happened to IPIX which was at the top of
the security software game in 2002.
They died in 2006.


> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-
> bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Hans-Christian Andersen
> Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2012 7:48 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Windows 8 Mail Leaves Users Pining For the
> Desktop - or Even Their Phones
>
> I haven't heard many express much love for Metro outside AccessD, I'm
> afraid to say.
>
> - Hans
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On 2012-07-15, at 4:57 PM, "Mark Simms" <marksimms at verizon.net> wrote:
>
> > Hans - Why should there be a PUSH ? Shouldn't it just be "natural" ?
> >
> >> The big push is to get everyone to love Metro though. A lack of
> support
> >> for something as basic as IMAP is quite surprising.
> >>
> >> Best regards,
> >> Hans-Christian Andersen
> >
> >
> > --
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Thu Jul 19 20:52:52 2012
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2012 11:52:52 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Windows 8 Mail Leaves Users Pining For the Desktop
	-or Even Their Phones
In-Reply-To: <970BA0EE-A4EC-403D-B742-73AE5633E8AE@phulse.com>
References: <5000F4C1.7000906@colbyconsulting.com>,
	<5541AD2238714480A68AB3044AFB82C1@creativesystemdesigns.com>,
	<970BA0EE-A4EC-403D-B742-73AE5633E8AE@phulse.com>
Message-ID: <5008B9F4.29111.47DA971A@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

It's been around a lot longer than that.

RFC 1730 - December 1994 -  IMAP4.

Or if you want to go back even further:

RFC 1064 - July 1988 -  IMAP2

-- 
Stuart

On 19 Jul 2012 at 16:47, Hans-Christian Andersen wrote:

> 
> But something as basic as IMAP is something everyone does properly.
> And it is a very basic protocol that has been out for a long time
> (since 2003) and has a clearly defined RFC. 
> 


From charlotte.foust at gmail.com  Thu Jul 19 21:02:41 2012
From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2012 19:02:41 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Am I nuts?
In-Reply-To: <CAMhYZWZLPWBkOz4gmkKkgqSBf+X+oQf=XYBq6C7PxC4foxpebg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAH+Met_WpcwT86ie8ZT4ieCjqF_VsCUwttqx3G5B7v2oH8B30Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAMhYZWZLPWBkOz4gmkKkgqSBf+X+oQf=XYBq6C7PxC4foxpebg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAH+Met_MdJp_f=ztPJx+2Vfe+O55UMUpu_ZFpE9nXghLLJRSgw@mail.gmail.com>

No, I was opening it acDialog and then hiding it after stuff had been done
so that other objects could read values from it.  Instead,  I'm
now  passing a value to a navigation form to handle broadcasting the change
and closing the search form when its job is done.   I finally tracked down
the conflicts between the custom forms class and the forms it mirrors, as
well as remembering that a form with DataEntry - True is never going to
show existing records!  DOH!

It's maddening to try and remember how I did things over 10 years ago in
Access, when I've overlaid the memories with  dot net techniques. <sigh>

Charlotte
On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 2:58 PM, David McAfee <davidmcafee at gmail.com> wrote:

> I still open forms in hidden mode in 2007, but I don't open them modal or
> acdialog.
>
> I would think AcDialog and wouldn't be allowed.
>
> David
>
> On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 2:46 PM, Charlotte Foust
> <charlotte.foust at gmail.com>wrote:
>
> > I can remember opening forms modal using the acDialog constant and then
> > hiding them to return the focus to the calling form.  When I try that in
> > A2k7 using the 2002-2003 file format, the SysCmd action
> > acSysCmdGetObjectState says it's still open, but when I try to address
> that
> > form in code, I get and error that the application can't find the form,
>  Is
> > this a "feature" of 2007?  All I need to do is read a value off the
> hidden
> > form, but I can't make it work.
> >
> > I would swear I used to do this all the time, but I'm trying to keep the
> > dot net programming memories separate from the Access VBA memories, and
> the
> > old gal ain't what she used to be!
> >
> > Any suggestions or ideas?
> >
> > Charlotte
> > --
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> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>
>
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>
> >
> --
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> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>
>
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>
>

From TSeptav at Uniserve.com  Thu Jul 19 19:21:59 2012
From: TSeptav at Uniserve.com (Tony Septav)
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2012 19:21:59 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Am I nuts?
In-Reply-To: <CAH+Met_MdJp_f=ztPJx+2Vfe+O55UMUpu_ZFpE9nXghLLJRSgw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <201207200222.q6K2MAom028041@databaseadvisors.com>

Hey Charlotte
Hate to say it, but I think we are all showing our age.  Now where did I put
that weeny wagon.

Tony Septav
Nanaimo, BC
Canada

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: July-19-12 9:03 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Am I nuts?

No, I was opening it acDialog and then hiding it after stuff had been done
so that other objects could read values from it.  Instead,  I'm
now  passing a value to a navigation form to handle broadcasting the change
and closing the search form when its job is done.   I finally tracked down
the conflicts between the custom forms class and the forms it mirrors, as
well as remembering that a form with DataEntry - True is never going to
show existing records!  DOH!

It's maddening to try and remember how I did things over 10 years ago in
Access, when I've overlaid the memories with  dot net techniques. <sigh>

Charlotte
On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 2:58 PM, David McAfee <davidmcafee at gmail.com> wrote:

> I still open forms in hidden mode in 2007, but I don't open them modal or
> acdialog.
>
> I would think AcDialog and wouldn't be allowed.
>
> David
>
> On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 2:46 PM, Charlotte Foust
> <charlotte.foust at gmail.com>wrote:
>
> > I can remember opening forms modal using the acDialog constant and then
> > hiding them to return the focus to the calling form.  When I try that in
> > A2k7 using the 2002-2003 file format, the SysCmd action
> > acSysCmdGetObjectState says it's still open, but when I try to address
> that
> > form in code, I get and error that the application can't find the form,
>  Is
> > this a "feature" of 2007?  All I need to do is read a value off the
> hidden
> > form, but I can't make it work.
> >
> > I would swear I used to do this all the time, but I'm trying to keep the
> > dot net programming memories separate from the Access VBA memories, and
> the
> > old gal ain't what she used to be!
> >
> > Any suggestions or ideas?
> >
> > Charlotte
> > --
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>
>
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>
> >
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>
>
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>
>
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http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Jul 19 21:47:12 2012
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2012 22:47:12 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Fun and games in web design
In-Reply-To: <0B227E04AD094E8AA909ABC5D348A527@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <s008259e.034@cactus.dk>
	<0C9FC801C5F34591BC6787F9EDCDB3E9@XPS><006a01cd65b7$8c1947e0$a44bd7a0$@net><959267AFB05145C0A5F88D91EBCB4B27@XPS>
	<50082EA7.5050501@colbyconsulting.com>
	<0B227E04AD094E8AA909ABC5D348A527@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <5008C6B0.9030805@colbyconsulting.com>

I hope and pray that the HTML5 thing does what it promises.  However I have to tell you that to this 
point I have not seen anything approaching a real database *anywhere* on the web that didn't 
positively suck to use.

My call center app, at the client's request has about 14 tabs.  The client looks up a claim and 
opens this form and has access to each and every part of the claim just by clicking on the 
appropriate tab.  They love it.

Maybe it is just me but I cannot see that happening in a browser.  First of all there is crosstalk 
between subforms, pulling data from one part of the claim to allow / prevent other parts from doing 
things etc.

Anyway, let me just say "I'll believe it if I ever see it."  In the meantime, I have browsed a baout 
a bajillion web sites and they pretty much all suck.  Which doesn't mean they don't work, just that 
they suck to try and manuever around.  Just try to find anything in Lowes builder for example.  Holy 
cow.  Ask for lumber and get about 16 thousand hits for everything from nails to boards to wire to 
... With silly circular sub menus off to the side which are supposed to get me closer to what I want.

Amazon is the same way.  Ask for anything, ANYTHING and watch what you get, from baby crap to books 
to dvds.

No idea how they decide what to return but it is not easy or intuitive.

And I have to say, most banks terminals look like they are legacy systems from the 70s.  And 
probably are!  ;)  It may play well over the web but that doesn't make it cool or easy to use.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 7/19/2012 2:11 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote:
> Hi John:
>
> Actually you can do anything with a browser but it just takes a whole
> different way of thinking.
>
> Many awesome database systems have been designed to run through the web and
> they support thousands of users quickly and efficiently. Check out all the
> banks, insurance companies and every franchises POS system...they are all
> web based...with very minor exceptions like the hybrids which are rapidly
> disappearing.
>
> I have built a couple of proprietary, in-house, intranet browser interface
> applications. They are not nearly as pretty as I could make today. All you
> need is a server with a web server installed like IIS or Apache. (I have
> used Apache a few times but am hardly more than a novice.) Fortunately, the
> price is right for either.
>
> I have recently been approached to write a web based application that has
> the same appearance and feel of an Access DB application. It will take about
> a year but the new client pays me a monthly amount so there is no super
> rush...but it is very possible. In fact I can add features that Access could
> never supply or just simple features that would take a good VB programmer a
> week to write but on a web site would take just minutes to install. There is
> of course years of code that have re-written and abandoned.
>
> In the web-based field there are some really incredible innovations going on
> and here is just something to wet your appetite with the development of
> HTML5.
>
> http://html5demos.com/
>
> (Unfortunately, for the most part IE has refused to play but really who
> cares anymore?)
>
> Jim


From charlotte.foust at gmail.com  Thu Jul 19 22:42:21 2012
From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2012 20:42:21 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Am I nuts?
In-Reply-To: <201207200222.q6K2MAom028041@databaseadvisors.com>
References: <CAH+Met_MdJp_f=ztPJx+2Vfe+O55UMUpu_ZFpE9nXghLLJRSgw@mail.gmail.com>
	<201207200222.q6K2MAom028041@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <CAH+Met-GvR3yG_zfbmUFnow1b2e1OOOXFrJ-r854o6FTHcaKFw@mail.gmail.com>

Speak for yourself, Tony!  I resemble that remark! ;-)

Charlotte

On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 5:21 PM, Tony Septav <TSeptav at uniserve.com> wrote:

> Hey Charlotte
> Hate to say it, but I think we are all showing our age.  Now where did I
> put
> that weeny wagon.
>
> Tony Septav
> Nanaimo, BC
> Canada
>
>
>
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>
>

From hans.andersen at phulse.com  Thu Jul 19 23:08:33 2012
From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen)
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2012 21:08:33 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Windows 8 Mail Leaves Users Pining For the Desktop -
 or Even Their Phones
In-Reply-To: <000501cd6614$0383c9c0$0a8b5d40$@net>
References: <5000F4C1.7000906@colbyconsulting.com>
	<50017DFB.5806.2B986DA5@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<6F151E7EBA154E2FB760FB6EF2C2BEF6@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<5001E372.2702.2D24C889@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<E3B44192263F469FA7779A9C826B2FFF@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<F42CC738-EB38-4181-94D3-A30B1D1F3933@phulse.com>
	<8061E49E5CAE4418BDDC68579ED2AF9A@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<AD06A2D6-B7BF-472C-809D-C9FBF82CBCC7@phulse.com>
	<001c01cd62e5$a3be6850$eb3b38f0$@net>
	<B8492AB2-013A-4B93-8AEC-1432E6B304A8@phulse.com>
	<000501cd6614$0383c9c0$0a8b5d40$@net>
Message-ID: <CAFj0BAxQRj9aNsQR_HQ0pQD-avnwkLMX5mH3Q6EWo6n58Fgrsw@mail.gmail.com>

If I envision a post-Windows world, it is a world where Microsoft focuses
entirely on selling productivity software, software development
platforms/databases and enterprise applications that run on many platforms.

Imagine that... if Microsoft actually focused on the stuff they excel at,
how cool would that be? Everyone would benefit, Microsoft especially.

Hans



On 19 July 2012 18:07, Mark Simms <marksimms at verizon.net> wrote:

> Re: "I haven't heard many express much love for Metro outside AccessD, I'm
> afraid to say."
>
> KOD: Kiss Of Death.
>
> Can we please have a moment of silence for the death of Microsoft at the
> hands of Steve Balmer ?
> I know this is early, but this also happened to IPIX which was at the top
> of
> the security software game in 2002.
> They died in 2006.
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-
> > bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Hans-Christian Andersen
> > Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2012 7:48 PM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Windows 8 Mail Leaves Users Pining For the
> > Desktop - or Even Their Phones
> >
> > I haven't heard many express much love for Metro outside AccessD, I'm
> > afraid to say.
> >
> > - Hans
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > On 2012-07-15, at 4:57 PM, "Mark Simms" <marksimms at verizon.net> wrote:
> >
> > > Hans - Why should there be a PUSH ? Shouldn't it just be "natural" ?
> > >
> > >> The big push is to get everyone to love Metro though. A lack of
> > support
> > >> for something as basic as IMAP is quite surprising.
> > >>
> > >> Best regards,
> > >> Hans-Christian Andersen
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > AccessD mailing list
> > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> > --
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>

From marksimms at verizon.net  Fri Jul 20 05:07:24 2012
From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms)
Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2012 06:07:24 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Fun and games in web design
In-Reply-To: <5008C6B0.9030805@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <s008259e.034@cactus.dk>
	<0C9FC801C5F34591BC6787F9EDCDB3E9@XPS><006a01cd65b7$8c1947e0$a44bd7a0$@net><959267AFB05145C0A5F88D91EBCB4B27@XPS>
	<50082EA7.5050501@colbyconsulting.com>
	<0B227E04AD094E8AA909ABC5D348A527@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<5008C6B0.9030805@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <000001cd665f$75dc23a0$61946ae0$@net>

John - your points are well taken. A tabbed interface can be emulated via
HTML web form.
Why it isn't used more often ? Dunno.

The other issue is search which is a tough one.
If you want to see the best of search, check out www.grainger.com
Of significance:
1) search within search.
2) category assignments and selection

I don't know about Lowesbuilder, but www.lowes.com has a nice search
facility with category breakdown as well as high-lighted popular categories
which is probably assigned based on statistical average of hits.
Very nice.



From marksimms at verizon.net  Fri Jul 20 05:24:13 2012
From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms)
Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2012 06:24:13 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Windows 8 Mail Leaves Users Pining For the Desktop -
 or Even Their Phones
In-Reply-To: <CAFj0BAxQRj9aNsQR_HQ0pQD-avnwkLMX5mH3Q6EWo6n58Fgrsw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <5000F4C1.7000906@colbyconsulting.com>
	<50017DFB.5806.2B986DA5@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<6F151E7EBA154E2FB760FB6EF2C2BEF6@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<5001E372.2702.2D24C889@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<E3B44192263F469FA7779A9C826B2FFF@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<F42CC738-EB38-4181-94D3-A30B1D1F3933@phulse.com>
	<8061E49E5CAE4418BDDC68579ED2AF9A@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<AD06A2D6-B7BF-472C-809D-C9FBF82CBCC7@phulse.com>
	<001c01cd62e5$a3be6850$eb3b38f0$@net>
	<B8492AB2-013A-4B93-8AEC-1432E6B304A8@phulse.com>
	<000501cd6614$0383c9c0$0a8b5d40$@net>
	<CAFj0BAxQRj9aNsQR_HQ0pQD-avnwkLMX5mH3Q6EWo6n58Fgrsw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <000101cd6661$cfee8a70$6fcb9f50$@net>

Hans, that's a great mission statement. However, you'll never see Balmer
embracing it.
Microsoft cannot support what they already have.
1) My client's site has Server 2008 running and we cannot get our task
scheduled Access process to email an alert if it fails. This was in Linux
years ago.
2) Office 2010 has a beautiful fa?ade, but if you start to automate it with
VBA, you'll discover it's putrid - just a completely bug-ridden mess. So
much so, that MSFT has not been able to issue any service packs past SP1.
They've just been cobbling a punch of hot-fixes that get secretly issued.

3) This says it all: 1st loss since 1986. Ominous (remember RIMM ?).
http://wallstcheatsheet.com/stocks/can-microsoft-bounce-back-from-this-loss.
html/


> If I envision a post-Windows world, it is a world where Microsoft
> focuses
> entirely on selling productivity software, software development
> platforms/databases and enterprise applications that run on many
> platforms.
>
> Imagine that... if Microsoft actually focused on the stuff they excel
> at,
> how cool would that be? Everyone would benefit, Microsoft especially.
>
> Hans



From ssharkins at gmail.com  Fri Jul 20 05:39:29 2012
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2012 06:39:29 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Am I nuts?
References: <201207200222.q6K2MAom028041@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <5A4258709363479FA9E8A49979D961EA@SusanHarkins>

What's Access?

Susan H.


> Hey Charlotte
> Hate to say it, but I think we are all showing our age.  Now where did I 
> put
> that weeny wagon.
>
>
> It's maddening to try and remember how I did things over 10 years ago in
> Access, when I've overlaid the memories with  dot net techniques. <sigh>
>
> Charlotte


From gustav at cactus.dk  Fri Jul 20 07:10:54 2012
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2012 14:10:54 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Windows 8 Mail Leaves Users Pining For the	Desktop -
	or Even Their Phones
Message-ID: <s00966fe.047@cactus.dk>

Hi Mark

> 3) This says it all: 1st loss since 1986. Ominous (remember RIMM ?).

No it doesn't. Please read in full:

<quote>
Shares of Microsoft (NASDAQ:MSFT) popped 2.49 percent in late afternoon hours. However, the company reported a net loss of $492 million (6 cents per share), compared to a net gain of $5.87 billion (69 cents per share) a year earlier. It was the first net loss the Windows-maker since going public in 1986. Excluding the massive write down for aQuantive, the company earned 67 cents per share, topping analyst estimates of 62 cents per share.
</quote>

The write down of aQuantive is truly massive: USD 6.2 billion.

/gustav


From jimdettman at verizon.net  Fri Jul 20 07:14:03 2012
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2012 08:14:03 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Am I nuts?
In-Reply-To: <5A4258709363479FA9E8A49979D961EA@SusanHarkins>
References: <201207200222.q6K2MAom028041@databaseadvisors.com>
	<5A4258709363479FA9E8A49979D961EA@SusanHarkins>
Message-ID: <005AA6A0FA08407BAC53E38CCC2CD818@XPS>


 She's says in jest...

Jim. 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: Friday, July 20, 2012 06:39 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Am I nuts?

What's Access?

Susan H.


> Hey Charlotte
> Hate to say it, but I think we are all showing our age.  Now where did I 
> put
> that weeny wagon.
>
>
> It's maddening to try and remember how I did things over 10 years ago in
> Access, when I've overlaid the memories with  dot net techniques. <sigh>
>
> Charlotte

-- 
AccessD mailing list
AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com


From BradM at blackforestltd.com  Fri Jul 20 09:44:02 2012
From: BradM at blackforestltd.com (Brad Marks)
Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2012 09:44:02 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Remote Support for Access 2007 Applications ? Very Slow
	Response Time During the Day
References: <CAKhUvEX=hHRWonQ9w04skDpCPW_fZWch206M1FPdophnQNKUuA@mail.gmail.com>,
	<E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C50163B234@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
	<50063095.29992.3DF1FB73@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C50163B23B@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>

All,

I know that this is more of a network question than an Access question.

I support several Access 2007 applications for a small firm.  I am onsite most of the time and response time is very good.

Currently, I am trying to support these applications remotely via LogMeIn as I am temporarily located about 250 miles away.

Response time is quite good from 5:00 PM until 8:00 AM.  However, during normal business hours (8:00 AM to 5:00 PM) the response time that I have via LogMeIn, is VERY VERY Slow.  Sometimes it takes over a minute to ?paint? a single screen.

No one in the office is seeing poor response time during business hours (they are all working ?locally?).

My background is in database administration and application development.  I only know enough about Network issues to be dangerous.

A number of employees (maybe 5-10) stream music and occasionally some videos over the internet during the day.  

It is my theory that this streaming of music and videos is causing my response time to be very poor during the day.

The catch is I do not know how to scientifically prove this.  I work for a small firm and there currently are no tools to monitor the network.


Here are my questions


Is it likely that the streaming of music and videos is having a big impact on my remote response time? 

Are there any free or inexpensive network monitoring tools available that would confirm this theory.  I would like to find a network tool that could show how much of the bandwidth is being used by the streaming of music and videos.

Is there something else that I should be looking at?

Thanks,
Brad  
    

From accessd at shaw.ca  Fri Jul 20 10:20:03 2012
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2012 08:20:03 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Fun and games in web design
In-Reply-To: <5008C6B0.9030805@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <s008259e.034@cactus.dk><0C9FC801C5F34591BC6787F9EDCDB3E9@XPS><006a01cd65b7$8c1947e0$a44bd7a0$@net><959267AFB05145C0A5F88D91EBCB4B27@XPS><50082EA7.5050501@colbyconsulting.com><0B227E04AD094E8AA909ABC5D348A527@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<5008C6B0.9030805@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <A1A5D8E99AE6418698DCB0F0F1C587A1@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Hi John:

Comparing a large browser based internet site and comparing a relatively
small custom built site is not a true comparison.

A site like Lowes, for example, may have 5000 plus customers at any one
moment or be able to sustain 50K hits 24x7. Sites like these cater to the
lowest denominator. The lowest denominator is browser dependant and that
would mean that a user may be using an IE browser (shudder) and have their
JavaScript turned off (the fear originated from some IE error dating back to
the late nineties and now it is can be described as a mythic superstition).

The advances in the web, unlike a standard company product say like Access,
is not limping along, with feature being dumped or morphed irrespective of
its developer and users...growth and development in this field is explosive.
What ever feature is not available now...just wait a few days. Once you are
comfortable working in this area your opportunities will never diminish.
This is the field where probably 90 percent of all the new programming jobs
are and will be.

Below is a link to piece of code I put together over seven years ago,
ancient by today's standards. It is running on a very old and flakey server,
which is over 10 years old, single core, 1 GB RAM, with a modest home
business ISP connection. When I say piece of code, it means that it is not
completed as I worked on it in my spare time until someone hired me to
program seriously. One day I will complete it and add all the new feature
but not today. So after a long series of excuses, here is the link:

www.creativesystemdesigns.com/projects/programming.asp

I could link you to much better code but that is in private client Intranet
sites with their own VPNs. Today the above code would be a 2 or 3 hour
trifle but I think you can see some of the potential given that the data is
acquired and displayed in real time and the application can run anywhere in
the world irrespective of client or location. No more modification on a
client's station; code it once and its done. It is an easy way to do a small
client site of say a hundred users. You can put any DB you want MDB, MS SQL
xx, MySQL, Postgres, any NoSQL SQL DB etc. Any middle tier language,
JavaScript, ASP, ASP.Net, RoR, Python, PHP, Java etc. The sample above uses
a MS SQL 2005 server with a very old version of ASP.

Jim 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2012 7:47 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Fun and games in web design

I hope and pray that the HTML5 thing does what it promises.  However I have
to tell you that to this 
point I have not seen anything approaching a real database *anywhere* on the
web that didn't 
positively suck to use.

My call center app, at the client's request has about 14 tabs.  The client
looks up a claim and 
opens this form and has access to each and every part of the claim just by
clicking on the 
appropriate tab.  They love it.

Maybe it is just me but I cannot see that happening in a browser.  First of
all there is crosstalk 
between subforms, pulling data from one part of the claim to allow / prevent
other parts from doing 
things etc.

Anyway, let me just say "I'll believe it if I ever see it."  In the
meantime, I have browsed a baout 
a bajillion web sites and they pretty much all suck.  Which doesn't mean
they don't work, just that 
they suck to try and manuever around.  Just try to find anything in Lowes
builder for example.  Holy 
cow.  Ask for lumber and get about 16 thousand hits for everything from
nails to boards to wire to 
... With silly circular sub menus off to the side which are supposed to get
me closer to what I want.

Amazon is the same way.  Ask for anything, ANYTHING and watch what you get,
from baby crap to books 
to dvds.

No idea how they decide what to return but it is not easy or intuitive.

And I have to say, most banks terminals look like they are legacy systems
from the 70s.  And 
probably are!  ;)  It may play well over the web but that doesn't make it
cool or easy to use.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it


From dw-murphy at cox.net  Fri Jul 20 10:32:43 2012
From: dw-murphy at cox.net (Doug Murphy)
Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2012 08:32:43 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Remote Support for Access 2007 Applications ? Very
	Slow	Response Time During the Day
In-Reply-To: <E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C50163B23B@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
References: <CAKhUvEX=hHRWonQ9w04skDpCPW_fZWch206M1FPdophnQNKUuA@mail.gmail.com>,
	<E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C50163B234@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>	<50063095.29992.3DF1FB73@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C50163B23B@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
Message-ID: <005401cd668c$ee981010$cbc83030$@cox.net>

I have a client that does public service work and has computers for their
customers, so some play videos and music. I can tell you anecdotally that it
really slows their network. Don't know how to measure network load but it
does slow.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brad Marks
Sent: Friday, July 20, 2012 7:44 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Remote Support for Access 2007 Applications ? Very Slow
Response Time During the Day

All,

I know that this is more of a network question than an Access question.

I support several Access 2007 applications for a small firm.  I am onsite
most of the time and response time is very good.

Currently, I am trying to support these applications remotely via LogMeIn as
I am temporarily located about 250 miles away.

Response time is quite good from 5:00 PM until 8:00 AM.  However, during
normal business hours (8:00 AM to 5:00 PM) the response time that I have via
LogMeIn, is VERY VERY Slow.  Sometimes it takes over a minute to "paint" a
single screen.

No one in the office is seeing poor response time during business hours
(they are all working "locally").

My background is in database administration and application development.  I
only know enough about Network issues to be dangerous.

A number of employees (maybe 5-10) stream music and occasionally some videos
over the internet during the day.  

It is my theory that this streaming of music and videos is causing my
response time to be very poor during the day.

The catch is I do not know how to scientifically prove this.  I work for a
small firm and there currently are no tools to monitor the network.


Here are my questions.

Is it likely that the streaming of music and videos is having a big impact
on my remote response time? 

Are there any free or inexpensive network monitoring tools available that
would confirm this theory.  I would like to find a network tool that could
show how much of the bandwidth is being used by the streaming of music and
videos.

Is there something else that I should be looking at?

Thanks,
Brad  
    


From gustav at cactus.dk  Fri Jul 20 10:50:57 2012
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2012 17:50:57 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Remote Support for Access 2007 Applications ?	Very
	Slow Response Time During the Day
Message-ID: <s0099aa2.050@cactus.dk>

Hi Brad

You are on the right track. Response times as you describe them indicates sustained network traffic. We use LogMeIn a lot, and I've never had reports on issues similar to yours.

One tool for monitoring (and a lot more) is Spiceworks:

http://www.spiceworks.com/

I've used the previous version and it was a resource hog. The present version should be better but I would recommend to install it on a dedicated admin machine.

/gustav


>>> BradM at blackforestltd.com 20-07-12 16:44 >>>
All,

I know that this is more of a network question than an Access question.

I support several Access 2007 applications for a small firm.  I am onsite most of the time and response time is very good.

Currently, I am trying to support these applications remotely via LogMeIn as I am temporarily located about 250 miles away.

Response time is quite good from 5:00 PM until 8:00 AM.  However, during normal business hours (8:00 AM to 5:00 PM) the response time that I have via LogMeIn, is VERY VERY Slow.  Sometimes it takes over a minute to "paint" a single screen.

No one in the office is seeing poor response time during business hours (they are all working "locally").

My background is in database administration and application development.  I only know enough about Network issues to be dangerous.

A number of employees (maybe 5-10) stream music and occasionally some videos over the internet during the day.  

It is my theory that this streaming of music and videos is causing my response time to be very poor during the day.

The catch is I do not know how to scientifically prove this.  I work for a small firm and there currently are no tools to monitor the network.


Here are my questions*

Is it likely that the streaming of music and videos is having a big impact on my remote response time? 

Are there any free or inexpensive network monitoring tools available that would confirm this theory.  I would like to find a network tool that could show how much of the bandwidth is being used by the streaming of music and videos.

Is there something else that I should be looking at?

Thanks,
Brad  
    



From accessd at shaw.ca  Fri Jul 20 11:11:30 2012
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2012 09:11:30 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Windows 8 Mail Leaves Users Pining For the Desktop -
	or Even Their Phones
In-Reply-To: <000101cd6661$cfee8a70$6fcb9f50$@net>
References: <5000F4C1.7000906@colbyconsulting.com><50017DFB.5806.2B986DA5@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg><6F151E7EBA154E2FB760FB6EF2C2BEF6@creativesystemdesigns.com><5001E372.2702.2D24C889@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg><E3B44192263F469FA7779A9C826B2FFF@creativesystemdesigns.com><F42CC738-EB38-4181-94D3-A30B1D1F3933@phulse.com><8061E49E5CAE4418BDDC68579ED2AF9A@creativesystemdesigns.com><AD06A2D6-B7BF-472C-809D-C9FBF82CBCC7@phulse.com><001c01cd62e5$a3be6850$eb3b38f0$@net><B8492AB2-013A-4B93-8AEC-1432E6B304A8@phulse.com><000501cd6614$0383c9c0$0a8b5d40$@net><CAFj0BAxQRj9aNsQR_HQ0pQD-avnwkLMX5mH3Q6EWo6n58Fgrsw@mail.gmail.com>
	<000101cd6661$cfee8a70$6fcb9f50$@net>
Message-ID: <7B74DCEE8C7D4EC09BA19112D6647EFC@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Mark:

Come on you can even do a Command prompt scheduled process that will mail
you if something fails... I have such code implemented on four client sites
as its brain-dead easy. Never trust something too complex... Schedule via
the AT command then when the process batch(es) run... 

...
:::: Run your overnight application...off the top...
C:\local\overnight_process\MyAccess.bat > c:\temp\error.log
If errorlevel > 0 goto err
for %%A in (%c:\temp\error.log%) do if %%~zA>0 goto err
Goto continue

:err
blat -install MyMail.ISP.net  5 > temp.txt
blat c:\temp\bkupfail5.html -attach c:\temp\error.log -to mark at home.com	
goto end
...

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Simms
Sent: Friday, July 20, 2012 3:24 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Windows 8 Mail Leaves Users Pining For the Desktop -
or Even Their Phones

Hans, that's a great mission statement. However, you'll never see Balmer
embracing it.
Microsoft cannot support what they already have.
1) My client's site has Server 2008 running and we cannot get our task
scheduled Access process to email an alert if it fails. This was in Linux
years ago.
2) Office 2010 has a beautiful fagade, but if you start to automate it with
VBA, you'll discover it's putrid - just a completely bug-ridden mess. So
much so, that MSFT has not been able to issue any service packs past SP1.
They've just been cobbling a punch of hot-fixes that get secretly issued.

3) This says it all: 1st loss since 1986. Ominous (remember RIMM ?).
http://wallstcheatsheet.com/stocks/can-microsoft-bounce-back-from-this-loss.
html/


> If I envision a post-Windows world, it is a world where Microsoft
> focuses
> entirely on selling productivity software, software development
> platforms/databases and enterprise applications that run on many
> platforms.
>
> Imagine that... if Microsoft actually focused on the stuff they excel
> at,
> how cool would that be? Everyone would benefit, Microsoft especially.
>
> Hans




From accessd at shaw.ca  Fri Jul 20 11:50:15 2012
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2012 09:50:15 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Remote Support for Access 2007 Applications ? Very
	SlowResponse Time During the Day
In-Reply-To: <E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C50163B23B@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
References: <CAKhUvEX=hHRWonQ9w04skDpCPW_fZWch206M1FPdophnQNKUuA@mail.gmail.com>,
	<E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C50163B234@blkltd.blkfst2003.local><50063095.29992.3DF1FB73@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C50163B23B@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
Message-ID: <5FCC152FBA08427688876ACBE3CCE1F2@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Hi Brad:

Depending on the client's router you can monitor site activity and bandwidth
usage. Some routers have monitoring apps built-in. The advantage of this is
that there is no performance loss across the site.

Business class Cisco (only ones that I am familiar with but I am sure all
business class routers have these features) routers and switches have
software built-in. If you set up their router so you can remotely log-in
they can be monitored. Also you can have the router logs forwarded to you
once a day, automatically.  

Another app you can use runs on all Windows computers, takes no additional
resourses as it is always running and you can monitor virtually any
server/workstation resource activity and that is the "typeperf" command.
Check it out: just go to the command prompt on the respective computer and
enter: typeperf /? ...lots of options.

HTH
Jim
  
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brad Marks
Sent: Friday, July 20, 2012 7:44 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Remote Support for Access 2007 Applications ? Very
SlowResponse Time During the Day

All,

I know that this is more of a network question than an Access question.

I support several Access 2007 applications for a small firm.  I am onsite
most of the time and response time is very good.

Currently, I am trying to support these applications remotely via LogMeIn as
I am temporarily located about 250 miles away.

Response time is quite good from 5:00 PM until 8:00 AM.  However, during
normal business hours (8:00 AM to 5:00 PM) the response time that I have via
LogMeIn, is VERY VERY Slow.  Sometimes it takes over a minute to "paint" a
single screen.

No one in the office is seeing poor response time during business hours
(they are all working "locally").

My background is in database administration and application development.  I
only know enough about Network issues to be dangerous.

A number of employees (maybe 5-10) stream music and occasionally some videos
over the internet during the day.  

It is my theory that this streaming of music and videos is causing my
response time to be very poor during the day.

The catch is I do not know how to scientifically prove this.  I work for a
small firm and there currently are no tools to monitor the network.


Here are my questions.

Is it likely that the streaming of music and videos is having a big impact
on my remote response time? 

Are there any free or inexpensive network monitoring tools available that
would confirm this theory.  I would like to find a network tool that could
show how much of the bandwidth is being used by the streaming of music and
videos.

Is there something else that I should be looking at?

Thanks,
Brad  
    


From jimdettman at verizon.net  Fri Jul 20 12:02:30 2012
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2012 13:02:30 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Remote Support for Access 2007 Applications ? Very
 SlowResponse Time During the Day
In-Reply-To: <E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C50163B23B@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
References: <CAKhUvEX=hHRWonQ9w04skDpCPW_fZWch206M1FPdophnQNKUuA@mail.gmail.com>,
	<E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C50163B234@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
	<50063095.29992.3DF1FB73@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C50163B23B@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
Message-ID: <BE3F9D82ED1E40BC974DD6555B0D8208@XPS>

 Brad,

<<Is it likely that the streaming of music and videos is having a big impact
on my remote response time? >>

  Depends on how wide of a pipe they have into the office.  If only 2 or 3
MB/sec, then yes.  But 1 minute screen refreshes are excessive.  I would
double check logmein settings.  Most remote control apps have things like:

1. Should sound carry over?
2. Should I disable wall paper?
3. Bandwidth connection setting (low/med/high)

Etc.

 If your set for the wrong type of connection, it would be slow.

<<Are there any free or inexpensive network monitoring tools available that
would confirm this theory.  I would like to find a network tool that could
show how much of the bandwidth is being used by the streaming of music and
videos.>>

 Can't think of any off-hand; I block everything<g>

<<is there something else that I should be looking at?>>

 I would try a simple speed test on one of the internet sites when your
remoted in.  If you get a low result, then you have part of the answer.

 Also if you can get into the router, most have means of measuring bandwidth
being used.

Jim.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brad Marks
Sent: Friday, July 20, 2012 10:44 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Remote Support for Access 2007 Applications ? Very
SlowResponse Time During the Day

All,

I know that this is more of a network question than an Access question.

I support several Access 2007 applications for a small firm.  I am onsite
most of the time and response time is very good.

Currently, I am trying to support these applications remotely via LogMeIn as
I am temporarily located about 250 miles away.

Response time is quite good from 5:00 PM until 8:00 AM.  However, during
normal business hours (8:00 AM to 5:00 PM) the response time that I have via
LogMeIn, is VERY VERY Slow.  Sometimes it takes over a minute to "paint" a
single screen.

No one in the office is seeing poor response time during business hours
(they are all working "locally").

My background is in database administration and application development.  I
only know enough about Network issues to be dangerous.

A number of employees (maybe 5-10) stream music and occasionally some videos
over the internet during the day.  

It is my theory that this streaming of music and videos is causing my
response time to be very poor during the day.

The catch is I do not know how to scientifically prove this.  I work for a
small firm and there currently are no tools to monitor the network.


Here are my questions.

Is it likely that the streaming of music and videos is having a big impact
on my remote response time? 

Are there any free or inexpensive network monitoring tools available that
would confirm this theory.  I would like to find a network tool that could
show how much of the bandwidth is being used by the streaming of music and
videos.

Is there something else that I should be looking at?

Thanks,
Brad  
    


From BradM at blackforestltd.com  Fri Jul 20 15:24:03 2012
From: BradM at blackforestltd.com (Brad Marks)
Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2012 15:24:03 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Remote Support for Access 2007 Applications ? Very
	SlowResponse Time During the Day
References: <CAKhUvEX=hHRWonQ9w04skDpCPW_fZWch206M1FPdophnQNKUuA@mail.gmail.com>,
	<E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C50163B234@blkltd.blkfst2003.local><50063095.29992.3DF1FB73@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg><E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C50163B23B@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
	<BE3F9D82ED1E40BC974DD6555B0D8208@XPS>
Message-ID: <E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C50163B23D@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>

Doug, Gustav, Jim, and Jim,

Thanks for your help/insights on this issue.

You have pretty much confirmed my theories.

Brad


  


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com on behalf of Jim Dettman
Sent: Fri 7/20/2012 12:02 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Remote Support for Access 2007 Applications ? Very SlowResponse Time During the Day
 
 Brad,

<<Is it likely that the streaming of music and videos is having a big impact
on my remote response time? >>

  Depends on how wide of a pipe they have into the office.  If only 2 or 3
MB/sec, then yes.  But 1 minute screen refreshes are excessive.  I would
double check logmein settings.  Most remote control apps have things like:

1. Should sound carry over?
2. Should I disable wall paper?
3. Bandwidth connection setting (low/med/high)

Etc.

 If your set for the wrong type of connection, it would be slow.

<<Are there any free or inexpensive network monitoring tools available that
would confirm this theory.  I would like to find a network tool that could
show how much of the bandwidth is being used by the streaming of music and
videos.>>

 Can't think of any off-hand; I block everything<g>

<<is there something else that I should be looking at?>>

 I would try a simple speed test on one of the internet sites when your
remoted in.  If you get a low result, then you have part of the answer.

 Also if you can get into the router, most have means of measuring bandwidth
being used.

Jim.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brad Marks
Sent: Friday, July 20, 2012 10:44 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Remote Support for Access 2007 Applications ? Very
SlowResponse Time During the Day

All,

I know that this is more of a network question than an Access question.

I support several Access 2007 applications for a small firm.  I am onsite
most of the time and response time is very good.

Currently, I am trying to support these applications remotely via LogMeIn as
I am temporarily located about 250 miles away.

Response time is quite good from 5:00 PM until 8:00 AM.  However, during
normal business hours (8:00 AM to 5:00 PM) the response time that I have via
LogMeIn, is VERY VERY Slow.  Sometimes it takes over a minute to "paint" a
single screen.

No one in the office is seeing poor response time during business hours
(they are all working "locally").

My background is in database administration and application development.  I
only know enough about Network issues to be dangerous.

A number of employees (maybe 5-10) stream music and occasionally some videos
over the internet during the day.  

It is my theory that this streaming of music and videos is causing my
response time to be very poor during the day.

The catch is I do not know how to scientifically prove this.  I work for a
small firm and there currently are no tools to monitor the network.


Here are my questions.

Is it likely that the streaming of music and videos is having a big impact
on my remote response time? 

Are there any free or inexpensive network monitoring tools available that
would confirm this theory.  I would like to find a network tool that could
show how much of the bandwidth is being used by the streaming of music and
videos.

Is there something else that I should be looking at?

Thanks,
Brad  
    

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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Fri Jul 20 17:59:19 2012
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2012 18:59:19 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Fun and games in web design
In-Reply-To: <A1A5D8E99AE6418698DCB0F0F1C587A1@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <s008259e.034@cactus.dk> <0C9FC801C5F34591BC6787F9EDCDB3E9@XPS>
	<006a01cd65b7$8c1947e0$a44bd7a0$@net>
	<959267AFB05145C0A5F88D91EBCB4B27@XPS>
	<50082EA7.5050501@colbyconsulting.com>
	<0B227E04AD094E8AA909ABC5D348A527@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<5008C6B0.9030805@colbyconsulting.com>
	<A1A5D8E99AE6418698DCB0F0F1C587A1@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1hxPMQvhDuiTk98S5vp2qe7+oWzpzZa9vFVXsPyZtyntA@mail.gmail.com>

JC,
I assume that you use (or have used) Google, Amazon, and eBay. In what
sense are they not "real" databases? Certainly not in any sense that I use
the word. I envy their response times, which are faster than anything I've
ever written against any back end, containing at best about a millionth of
their data volume.

Arthur

From accessd at shaw.ca  Fri Jul 20 18:24:04 2012
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2012 16:24:04 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Fun and games in web design
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1hxPMQvhDuiTk98S5vp2qe7+oWzpzZa9vFVXsPyZtyntA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <s008259e.034@cactus.dk>
	<0C9FC801C5F34591BC6787F9EDCDB3E9@XPS><006a01cd65b7$8c1947e0$a44bd7a0$@net><959267AFB05145C0A5F88D91EBCB4B27@XPS><50082EA7.5050501@colbyconsulting.com><0B227E04AD094E8AA909ABC5D348A527@creativesystemdesigns.com><5008C6B0.9030805@colbyconsulting.com><A1A5D8E99AE6418698DCB0F0F1C587A1@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<CAEPJO1hxPMQvhDuiTk98S5vp2qe7+oWzpzZa9vFVXsPyZtyntA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <F97C2BA35A7F4B5A855032D2D065D0D0@creativesystemdesigns.com>

One word described those databases: NoSQL

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Friday, July 20, 2012 3:59 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Fun and games in web design

JC,
I assume that you use (or have used) Google, Amazon, and eBay. In what
sense are they not "real" databases? Certainly not in any sense that I use
the word. I envy their response times, which are faster than anything I've
ever written against any back end, containing at best about a millionth of
their data volume.

Arthur
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From marksimms at verizon.net  Fri Jul 20 18:59:39 2012
From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms)
Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2012 19:59:39 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Windows 8 Mail Leaves Users Pining For the Desktop
 -	or Even Their Phones
In-Reply-To: <7B74DCEE8C7D4EC09BA19112D6647EFC@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <5000F4C1.7000906@colbyconsulting.com><50017DFB.5806.2B986DA5@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg><6F151E7EBA154E2FB760FB6EF2C2BEF6@creativesystemdesigns.com><5001E372.2702.2D24C889@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg><E3B44192263F469FA7779A9C826B2FFF@creativesystemdesigns.com><F42CC738-EB38-4181-94D3-A30B1D1F3933@phulse.com><8061E49E5CAE4418BDDC68579ED2AF9A@creativesystemdesigns.com><AD06A2D6-B7BF-472C-809D-C9FBF82CBCC7@phulse.com><001c01cd62e5$a3be6850$eb3b38f0$@net><B8492AB2-013A-4B93-8AEC-1432E6B304A8@phulse.com><000501cd6614$0383c9c0$0a8b5d40$@net><CAFj0BAxQRj9aNsQR_HQ0pQD-avnwkLMX5mH3Q6EWo6n58Fgrsw@mail.gmail.com>
	<000101cd6661$cfee8a70$6fcb9f50$@net>
	<7B74DCEE8C7D4EC09BA19112D6647EFC@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <00fe01cd66d3$b9cb1840$2d6148c0$@net>

Jim - the best solution was simple and elegant.
Wrap the whole thing in a Powershell script.
Perfect.

Sends-out Emails on a non-zero return code. Just what the doctor ordered.




From marksimms at verizon.net  Fri Jul 20 19:13:59 2012
From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms)
Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2012 20:13:59 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Fun and games in web design
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1hxPMQvhDuiTk98S5vp2qe7+oWzpzZa9vFVXsPyZtyntA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <s008259e.034@cactus.dk> <0C9FC801C5F34591BC6787F9EDCDB3E9@XPS>
	<006a01cd65b7$8c1947e0$a44bd7a0$@net>	<959267AFB05145C0A5F88D91EBCB4B27@XPS>
	<50082EA7.5050501@colbyconsulting.com>
	<0B227E04AD094E8AA909ABC5D348A527@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<5008C6B0.9030805@colbyconsulting.com>
	<A1A5D8E99AE6418698DCB0F0F1C587A1@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<CAEPJO1hxPMQvhDuiTk98S5vp2qe7+oWzpzZa9vFVXsPyZtyntA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <00ff01cd66d5$b9fbb340$2df319c0$@net>

Yeah, Art...but do you have any idea of the magnitude of powerful server
farms supporting them
It's phenomenal.


> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-
> bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
> Sent: Friday, July 20, 2012 6:59 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Fun and games in web design
>
> JC,
> I assume that you use (or have used) Google, Amazon, and eBay. In what
> sense are they not "real" databases? Certainly not in any sense that I
> use
> the word. I envy their response times, which are faster than anything
> I've
> ever written against any back end, containing at best about a millionth
> of
> their data volume.
>
> Arthur
> --
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Fri Jul 20 20:16:49 2012
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2012 11:16:49 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Fun and games in web design
In-Reply-To: <F97C2BA35A7F4B5A855032D2D065D0D0@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <s008259e.034@cactus.dk>,
	<CAEPJO1hxPMQvhDuiTk98S5vp2qe7+oWzpzZa9vFVXsPyZtyntA@mail.gmail.com>,
	<F97C2BA35A7F4B5A855032D2D065D0D0@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <500A0301.4048.4FAE079@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

AFAIK, both Amazon and EBay use Oracle.

-- 
Stuart

On 20 Jul 2012 at 16:24, Jim Lawrence wrote:

> One word described those databases: NoSQL
> 
> Jim
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
> Sent: Friday, July 20, 2012 3:59 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Fun and games in web design
> 
> JC,
> I assume that you use (or have used) Google, Amazon, and eBay. In what
> sense are they not "real" databases? Certainly not in any sense that I use
> the word. I envy their response times, which are faster than anything I've
> ever written against any back end, containing at best about a millionth of
> their data volume.
> 
> Arthur
> -- 
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 
> -- 
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> 



From accessd at shaw.ca  Fri Jul 20 20:47:05 2012
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2012 18:47:05 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Windows 8 Mail Leaves Users Pining For the Desktop
	-	or Even Their Phones
In-Reply-To: <00fe01cd66d3$b9cb1840$2d6148c0$@net>
References: <5000F4C1.7000906@colbyconsulting.com><50017DFB.5806.2B986DA5@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg><6F151E7EBA154E2FB760FB6EF2C2BEF6@creativesystemdesigns.com><5001E372.2702.2D24C889@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg><E3B44192263F469FA7779A9C826B2FFF@creativesystemdesigns.com><F42CC738-EB38-4181-94D3-A30B1D1F3933@phulse.com><8061E49E5CAE4418BDDC68579ED2AF9A@creativesystemdesigns.com><AD06A2D6-B7BF-472C-809D-C9FBF82CBCC7@phulse.com><001c01cd62e5$a3be6850$eb3b38f0$@net><B8492AB2-013A-4B93-8AEC-1432E6B304A8@phulse.com><000501cd6614$0383c9c0$0a8b5d40$@net><CAFj0BAxQRj9aNsQR_HQ0pQD-avnwkLMX5mH3Q6EWo6n58Fgrsw@mail.gmail.com><000101cd6661$cfee8a70$6fcb9f50$@net><7B74DCEE8C7D4EC09BA19112D6647EFC@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<00fe01cd66d3$b9cb1840$2d6148c0$@net>
Message-ID: <9E13482A13D744A099E4E207A9385DB8@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Perfect. Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Simms
Sent: Friday, July 20, 2012 5:00 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Windows 8 Mail Leaves Users Pining For the Desktop -
or Even Their Phones

Jim - the best solution was simple and elegant.
Wrap the whole thing in a Powershell script.
Perfect.

Sends-out Emails on a non-zero return code. Just what the doctor ordered.



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From accessd at shaw.ca  Fri Jul 20 20:51:04 2012
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2012 18:51:04 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Fun and games in web design
In-Reply-To: <500A0301.4048.4FAE079@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <s008259e.034@cactus.dk>,
	<CAEPJO1hxPMQvhDuiTk98S5vp2qe7+oWzpzZa9vFVXsPyZtyntA@mail.gmail.com>,
	<F97C2BA35A7F4B5A855032D2D065D0D0@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<500A0301.4048.4FAE079@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <E46A0399F4B24BD28D3F2ED5E462ED3C@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Facebook and Google use NoSQL or RM

Both Oracle and MS are heavily into supporting various NoSQL development
projects. Most big systems are not just MS SQL or Oracle but hybrids.

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
Sent: Friday, July 20, 2012 6:17 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Fun and games in web design

AFAIK, both Amazon and EBay use Oracle.

-- 
Stuart

On 20 Jul 2012 at 16:24, Jim Lawrence wrote:

> One word described those databases: NoSQL
> 
> Jim
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
> Sent: Friday, July 20, 2012 3:59 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Fun and games in web design
> 
> JC,
> I assume that you use (or have used) Google, Amazon, and eBay. In what
> sense are they not "real" databases? Certainly not in any sense that I use
> the word. I envy their response times, which are faster than anything I've
> ever written against any back end, containing at best about a millionth of
> their data volume.
> 
> Arthur
> -- 
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 
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From mcp2004 at mail.ru  Sat Jul 21 04:57:34 2012
From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=)
Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2012 13:57:34 +0400
Subject: [AccessD] =?utf-8?q?Fun_and_games_in_web_design?=
In-Reply-To: <E46A0399F4B24BD28D3F2ED5E462ED3C@creativesystemdesigns.com>
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	<E46A0399F4B24BD28D3F2ED5E462ED3C@creativesystemdesigns.com>
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Hi Jim --

Have a look:

"Facebook trapped in MySQL ?fate worse than?death?"
http://gigaom.com/cloud/facebook-trapped-in-mysql-fate-worse-than-death/

"What database does Facebook use?"http://stackoverflow.com/questions/3479720/what-database-does-facebook-use


Just facts, no criticism - anyway - Facebook is a great social web site, and as Arthur I do envy the engineers who are keeping such an?immense?set of SQL and NoSQL databases and media files up & running so smoothly...

Thank you.

-- Shamil

Fri, 20 Jul 2012 18:51:04 -0700 ?? "Jim Lawrence" <accessd at shaw.ca>:
 
  
  
Facebook and Google use NoSQL or RM

Both Oracle and MS are heavily into supporting various NoSQL development
projects. Most big systems are not just MS SQL or Oracle but hybrids.

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
Sent: Friday, July 20, 2012 6:17 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Fun and games in web design

AFAIK, both Amazon and EBay use Oracle.

-- 
Stuart

On 20 Jul 2012 at 16:24, Jim Lawrence wrote:

> One word described those databases: NoSQL
> 
> Jim
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
> Sent: Friday, July 20, 2012 3:59 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Fun and games in web design
> 
> JC,
> I assume that you use (or have used) Google, Amazon, and eBay. In what
> sense are they not "real" databases? Certainly not in any sense that I use
> the word. I envy their response times, which are faster than anything I've
> ever written against any back end, containing at best about a millionth of
> their data volume.
> 
> Arthur
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Sat Jul 21 05:46:11 2012
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2012 12:46:11 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] NewSQL (was: Fun and games in web design)
Message-ID: <s00aa4bf.051@cactus.dk>

Hi all

Has any of you used/tested one of the NewSQL database engines mentioned in the link below?

I noticed that NimbusDB has become NuoDB. One of the founders is Jim Starkey, the man behind InterBase -> FireBird and later the Falcon engine for MySQL. In other words, nothing fancy here but a true understanding of SQL and ACID.

/gustav


>>> mcp2004 at mail.ru 21-07-12 11:57 >>>
Hi Jim --

Have a look:

"Facebook trapped in MySQL 'fate worse than*death'"
http://gigaom.com/cloud/facebook-trapped-in-mysql-fate-worse-than-death/

"What database does Facebook use?"http://stackoverflow.com/questions/3479720/what-database-does-facebook-use


Just facts, no criticism - anyway - Facebook is a great social web site, and as Arthur I do envy the engineers who are keeping such an*immense*set of SQL and NoSQL databases and media files up & running so smoothly...

Thank you.

-- Shamil


From accessd at shaw.ca  Sat Jul 21 12:04:19 2012
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2012 10:04:19 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Fun and games in web design
In-Reply-To: <1342864654.861898135@f261.mail.ru>
References: <s008259e.034@cactus.dk>,
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	<1342864654.861898135@f261.mail.ru>
Message-ID: <1E6FDA8C261F4B29B59E0C666905B3C1@creativesystemdesigns.com>

MySQL...they are mad. (They are actually using HiveDB in combination with
MySQL or they would never be able to keep the thing together otherwise.)

I assumed because Facebook had donated so much time and money into the
ongoing development of Hadoop, they would be associated with it. Apparently,
they are not looking at how to improve their system but looking for a
life-boat.

It will be interesting to see which way Facebook finally migrates as we know
they must.

The author sighted NewSQL as the next logical step but all are in their
infancy...many are cloud based and the products he quoted were not OSS,
which means no Start-up company, the next big thing, will ever be able to
afford to use them. In the OSS world VoltDB, H-Store, HyperSQL, Drizzle
(refactored MySQL) and of course the new version one Postgres-XC.

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Salakhetdinov
Shamil
Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2012 2:58 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Fun and games in web design

Hi Jim --

Have a look:

"Facebook trapped in MySQL 'fate worse than?death'"
http://gigaom.com/cloud/facebook-trapped-in-mysql-fate-worse-than-death/

"What database does Facebook
use?"http://stackoverflow.com/questions/3479720/what-database-does-facebook-
use


Just facts, no criticism - anyway - Facebook is a great social web site, and
as Arthur I do envy the engineers who are keeping such an?immense?set of SQL
and NoSQL databases and media files up & running so smoothly...

Thank you.

-- Shamil

Fri, 20 Jul 2012 18:51:04 -0700 ?? "Jim Lawrence" <accessd at shaw.ca>:
 
  
  
Facebook and Google use NoSQL or RM

Both Oracle and MS are heavily into supporting various NoSQL development
projects. Most big systems are not just MS SQL or Oracle but hybrids.

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
Sent: Friday, July 20, 2012 6:17 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Fun and games in web design

AFAIK, both Amazon and EBay use Oracle.

-- 
Stuart

On 20 Jul 2012 at 16:24, Jim Lawrence wrote:

> One word described those databases: NoSQL
> 
> Jim
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
> Sent: Friday, July 20, 2012 3:59 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Fun and games in web design
> 
> JC,
> I assume that you use (or have used) Google, Amazon, and eBay. In what
> sense are they not "real" databases? Certainly not in any sense that I use
> the word. I envy their response times, which are faster than anything I've
> ever written against any back end, containing at best about a millionth of
> their data volume.
> 
> Arthur
> -- 
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Sat Jul 21 12:25:29 2012
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2012 10:25:29 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] NewSQL (was: Fun and games in web design)
In-Reply-To: <s00aa4bf.051@cactus.dk>
References: <s00aa4bf.051@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <14EB5A0CACA24EFCA4106EB575C7F591@creativesystemdesigns.com>

I have not yet but have planned to look serious at VoltDB as it has clients
for both Node.js and .Net (c#). http://voltdb.com

If I can not talk a client into having me do some designing it will have to
be a winter project.

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2012 3:46 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] NewSQL (was: Fun and games in web design)

Hi all

Has any of you used/tested one of the NewSQL database engines mentioned in
the link below?

I noticed that NimbusDB has become NuoDB. One of the founders is Jim
Starkey, the man behind InterBase -> FireBird and later the Falcon engine
for MySQL. In other words, nothing fancy here but a true understanding of
SQL and ACID.

/gustav


>>> mcp2004 at mail.ru 21-07-12 11:57 >>>
Hi Jim --

Have a look:

"Facebook trapped in MySQL 'fate worse than*death'"
http://gigaom.com/cloud/facebook-trapped-in-mysql-fate-worse-than-death/

"What database does Facebook
use?"http://stackoverflow.com/questions/3479720/what-database-does-facebook-
use


Just facts, no criticism - anyway - Facebook is a great social web site, and
as Arthur I do envy the engineers who are keeping such an*immense*set of SQL
and NoSQL databases and media files up & running so smoothly...

Thank you.

-- Shamil

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From hans.andersen at phulse.com  Sat Jul 21 22:29:27 2012
From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen)
Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2012 20:29:27 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] NewSQL (was: Fun and games in web design)
In-Reply-To: <14EB5A0CACA24EFCA4106EB575C7F591@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <s00aa4bf.051@cactus.dk>
	<14EB5A0CACA24EFCA4106EB575C7F591@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <2D771208-0923-43CF-BA6A-404BA1C8E2BC@phulse.com>

MySQL is obviously not a perfect database and there is no one database for all types of applications. But I wonder why people so often forget about Postgres. It's a stunning database - much better than MySQL in all things that matter and can certain compete head to head against these NewSQL dbs.

It's strange.

- Hans

Sent from my iPhone

On 2012-07-21, at 10:25 AM, "Jim Lawrence" <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:

> I have not yet but have planned to look serious at VoltDB as it has clients
> for both Node.js and .Net (c#). http://voltdb.com
> 
> If I can not talk a client into having me do some designing it will have to
> be a winter project.
> 
> Jim
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
> Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2012 3:46 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] NewSQL (was: Fun and games in web design)
> 
> Hi all
> 
> Has any of you used/tested one of the NewSQL database engines mentioned in
> the link below?
> 
> I noticed that NimbusDB has become NuoDB. One of the founders is Jim
> Starkey, the man behind InterBase -> FireBird and later the Falcon engine
> for MySQL. In other words, nothing fancy here but a true understanding of
> SQL and ACID.
> 
> /gustav
> 
> 
>>>> mcp2004 at mail.ru 21-07-12 11:57 >>>
> Hi Jim --
> 
> Have a look:
> 
> "Facebook trapped in MySQL 'fate worse than*death'"
> http://gigaom.com/cloud/facebook-trapped-in-mysql-fate-worse-than-death/
> 
> "What database does Facebook
> use?"http://stackoverflow.com/questions/3479720/what-database-does-facebook-
> use
> 
> 
> Just facts, no criticism - anyway - Facebook is a great social web site, and
> as Arthur I do envy the engineers who are keeping such an*immense*set of SQL
> and NoSQL databases and media files up & running so smoothly...
> 
> Thank you.
> 
> -- Shamil
> 
> -- 
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Sun Jul 22 02:11:57 2012
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2012 00:11:57 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] NewSQL (was: Fun and games in web design)
In-Reply-To: <2D771208-0923-43CF-BA6A-404BA1C8E2BC@phulse.com>
References: <s00aa4bf.051@cactus.dk><14EB5A0CACA24EFCA4106EB575C7F591@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<2D771208-0923-43CF-BA6A-404BA1C8E2BC@phulse.com>
Message-ID: <B99FE321DE654611A67D1C819EB3B080@creativesystemdesigns.com>

I think I did mention the new Postgres-XC which does fall in the category of
NewSQL. So what FE clients can it use?

ASP.Net, Node.js, PHP, Python...?
  
Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Hans-Christian
Andersen
Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2012 8:29 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] NewSQL (was: Fun and games in web design)

MySQL is obviously not a perfect database and there is no one database for
all types of applications. But I wonder why people so often forget about
Postgres. It's a stunning database - much better than MySQL in all things
that matter and can certain compete head to head against these NewSQL dbs.

It's strange.

- Hans

Sent from my iPhone

On 2012-07-21, at 10:25 AM, "Jim Lawrence" <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:

> I have not yet but have planned to look serious at VoltDB as it has
clients
> for both Node.js and .Net (c#). http://voltdb.com
> 
> If I can not talk a client into having me do some designing it will have
to
> be a winter project.
> 
> Jim
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
> Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2012 3:46 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] NewSQL (was: Fun and games in web design)
> 
> Hi all
> 
> Has any of you used/tested one of the NewSQL database engines mentioned in
> the link below?
> 
> I noticed that NimbusDB has become NuoDB. One of the founders is Jim
> Starkey, the man behind InterBase -> FireBird and later the Falcon engine
> for MySQL. In other words, nothing fancy here but a true understanding of
> SQL and ACID.
> 
> /gustav
> 
> 
>>>> mcp2004 at mail.ru 21-07-12 11:57 >>>
> Hi Jim --
> 
> Have a look:
> 
> "Facebook trapped in MySQL 'fate worse than*death'"
> http://gigaom.com/cloud/facebook-trapped-in-mysql-fate-worse-than-death/
> 
> "What database does Facebook
>
use?"http://stackoverflow.com/questions/3479720/what-database-does-facebook-
> use
> 
> 
> Just facts, no criticism - anyway - Facebook is a great social web site,
and
> as Arthur I do envy the engineers who are keeping such an*immense*set of
SQL
> and NoSQL databases and media files up & running so smoothly...
> 
> Thank you.
> 
> -- Shamil
> 
> -- 
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> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
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From hans.andersen at phulse.com  Sun Jul 22 03:45:50 2012
From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen)
Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2012 01:45:50 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] NewSQL (was: Fun and games in web design)
In-Reply-To: <B99FE321DE654611A67D1C819EB3B080@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <s00aa4bf.051@cactus.dk>
	<14EB5A0CACA24EFCA4106EB575C7F591@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<2D771208-0923-43CF-BA6A-404BA1C8E2BC@phulse.com>
	<B99FE321DE654611A67D1C819EB3B080@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <789E86A7-6C04-4B1B-A5D6-210CC2664F71@phulse.com>

I can only speak to languages I've used for web development. PHP, Python and Ruby definitely have db adapters for Postgres. As for node.js and ASP.net, you would have to google it, but I wouldn't be surprised if they did exist.

- Hans

Sent from my iPhone

On 2012-07-22, at 12:11 AM, "Jim Lawrence" <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:

> I think I did mention the new Postgres-XC which does fall in the category of
> NewSQL. So what FE clients can it use?
> 
> ASP.Net, Node.js, PHP, Python...?
> 
> Jim
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Hans-Christian
> Andersen
> Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2012 8:29 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] NewSQL (was: Fun and games in web design)
> 
> MySQL is obviously not a perfect database and there is no one database for
> all types of applications. But I wonder why people so often forget about
> Postgres. It's a stunning database - much better than MySQL in all things
> that matter and can certain compete head to head against these NewSQL dbs.
> 
> It's strange.
> 
> - Hans
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On 2012-07-21, at 10:25 AM, "Jim Lawrence" <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:
> 
>> I have not yet but have planned to look serious at VoltDB as it has
> clients
>> for both Node.js and .Net (c#). http://voltdb.com
>> 
>> If I can not talk a client into having me do some designing it will have
> to
>> be a winter project.
>> 
>> Jim
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
>> Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2012 3:46 AM
>> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] NewSQL (was: Fun and games in web design)
>> 
>> Hi all
>> 
>> Has any of you used/tested one of the NewSQL database engines mentioned in
>> the link below?
>> 
>> I noticed that NimbusDB has become NuoDB. One of the founders is Jim
>> Starkey, the man behind InterBase -> FireBird and later the Falcon engine
>> for MySQL. In other words, nothing fancy here but a true understanding of
>> SQL and ACID.
>> 
>> /gustav
>> 
>> 
>>>>> mcp2004 at mail.ru 21-07-12 11:57 >>>
>> Hi Jim --
>> 
>> Have a look:
>> 
>> "Facebook trapped in MySQL 'fate worse than*death'"
>> http://gigaom.com/cloud/facebook-trapped-in-mysql-fate-worse-than-death/
>> 
>> "What database does Facebook
>> 
> use?"http://stackoverflow.com/questions/3479720/what-database-does-facebook-
>> use
>> 
>> 
>> Just facts, no criticism - anyway - Facebook is a great social web site,
> and
>> as Arthur I do envy the engineers who are keeping such an*immense*set of
> SQL
>> and NoSQL databases and media files up & running so smoothly...
>> 
>> Thank you.
>> 
>> -- Shamil
>> 
>> -- 
>> AccessD mailing list
>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>> 
>> -- 
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>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Sun Jul 22 10:23:57 2012
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2012 11:23:57 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Access 2013 -- MDB Back Ends Dead?
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1hnrSMPmNRn-18gXH4qgbqNWToaCQTABHKgy_cub06PWw@mail.gmail.com>

I just picked up this from the Google+ Access Gurus group, posted by Armen
Stein, one of the MVPs there:

"Speed is a whole different ballgame now. Since 2013 now uses SQL Server to
store the data, speed is much better, even over larger recordsets. Also,
aggregrate queries are supported again. Overall from what I've seen,
database size and speed are not concerns anymore."

Looks like my abandonment of the MDB format and serious investment in SQL
Server (both alone and as a BE for Access projects) is going to pay off
big-time.

-- 
Arthur
Cell: 647.710.1314

It's a fallacy to assume that because science can't explain something, that
therefore something else can, for example religion.

-- Richard Dawkins

From TSeptav at Uniserve.com  Sun Jul 22 10:25:59 2012
From: TSeptav at Uniserve.com (Tony Septav)
Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2012 10:25:59 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Where to go from here.
Message-ID: <201207221726.q6MHQBIo024283@databaseadvisors.com>

Hey All

Access is not dead yet but...... I am thinking at looking at voice
recognition as it applies to database applications. It has fascinated me for
years. Especially now that most of the telephone companies have a recorded
message that uses VR to direct you to your account and then walks  you
through to verbally complete your payment. To me that is really an unique
and logical way to deal with your collected data.  Any thoughts on this
would be appreciated.

 

Tony Septav

Nanaimo, BC

Canada


From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sun Jul 22 12:27:49 2012
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2012 13:27:49 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Access 2013 -- MDB Back Ends Dead?
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1hnrSMPmNRn-18gXH4qgbqNWToaCQTABHKgy_cub06PWw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1hnrSMPmNRn-18gXH4qgbqNWToaCQTABHKgy_cub06PWw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <500C3815.8090801@colbyconsulting.com>

 >> Looks like my abandonment of the MDB format and serious investment in SQL Server (both alone and 
as a BE for Access projects) is going to pay off big-time.

Yep.  Access FEs play nice even across the internet.  Win-Win.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 7/22/2012 11:23 AM, Arthur Fuller wrote:
> I just picked up this from the Google+ Access Gurus group, posted by Armen
> Stein, one of the MVPs there:
>
> "Speed is a whole different ballgame now. Since 2013 now uses SQL Server to
> store the data, speed is much better, even over larger recordsets. Also,
> aggregrate queries are supported again. Overall from what I've seen,
> database size and speed are not concerns anymore."
>
> Looks like my abandonment of the MDB format and serious investment in SQL
> Server (both alone and as a BE for Access projects) is going to pay off
> big-time.
>


From df.waters at comcast.net  Sun Jul 22 13:53:23 2012
From: df.waters at comcast.net (Dan Waters)
Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2012 13:53:23 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Access 2013 -- MDB Back Ends Dead?
In-Reply-To: <500C3815.8090801@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <CAEPJO1hnrSMPmNRn-18gXH4qgbqNWToaCQTABHKgy_cub06PWw@mail.gmail.com>
	<500C3815.8090801@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <000601cd683b$45276020$cf762060$@comcast.net>

John - what does 'Access FEs play nice even across the internet.' mean?

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2012 12:28 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access 2013 -- MDB Back Ends Dead?

 >> Looks like my abandonment of the MDB format and serious investment in
SQL Server (both alone and as a BE for Access projects) is going to pay off
big-time.

Yep.  Access FEs play nice even across the internet.  Win-Win.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 7/22/2012 11:23 AM, Arthur Fuller wrote:
> I just picked up this from the Google+ Access Gurus group, posted by 
> Armen Stein, one of the MVPs there:
>
> "Speed is a whole different ballgame now. Since 2013 now uses SQL 
> Server to store the data, speed is much better, even over larger 
> recordsets. Also, aggregrate queries are supported again. Overall from 
> what I've seen, database size and speed are not concerns anymore."
>
> Looks like my abandonment of the MDB format and serious investment in 
> SQL Server (both alone and as a BE for Access projects) is going to 
> pay off big-time.
>

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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Sun Jul 22 14:16:10 2012
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2012 15:16:10 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Where to go from here.
In-Reply-To: <201207221726.q6MHQBIo024283@databaseadvisors.com>
References: <201207221726.q6MHQBIo024283@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1gemz8_87C6D-6VObq53VcQPjxQKJ_XTkMoF58yHtQZwg@mail.gmail.com>

If you wish to back up your database, press 1.
If you wish compact and repair your database, press 2.
If you're feeling depressed and want to lash out, press 3 to reformat your
hard disk.

LOL.
A.

It's a fallacy to assume that because science can't explain something, that
therefore something else can, for example religion.

-- Richard Dawkins

From marksimms at verizon.net  Sun Jul 22 14:35:01 2012
From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms)
Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2012 15:35:01 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Access 2013 -- MDB Back Ends Dead?
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1hnrSMPmNRn-18gXH4qgbqNWToaCQTABHKgy_cub06PWw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1hnrSMPmNRn-18gXH4qgbqNWToaCQTABHKgy_cub06PWw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <006f01cd6841$16801c70$43805550$@net>

Re: " speed is much better "....Sniff, sniff..boy, do I smell something.
My last benchmarks with Access with SQL Server backend had great speed For
RETRIEVALS (4x faster). Horrible speed for inserts (10x slower).

This was back in the SQL Server 2000/2005 days. Naturally, this could have
changed with 2008.


> "Speed is a whole different ballgame now. Since 2013 now uses SQL
> Server to
> store the data, speed is much better, even over larger recordsets.
> Also,
> aggregrate queries are supported again. Overall from what I've seen,
> database size and speed are not concerns anymore."



From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Sun Jul 22 15:01:14 2012
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2012 16:01:14 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Access 2013 -- MDB Back Ends Dead?
In-Reply-To: <006f01cd6841$16801c70$43805550$@net>
References: <CAEPJO1hnrSMPmNRn-18gXH4qgbqNWToaCQTABHKgy_cub06PWw@mail.gmail.com>
	<006f01cd6841$16801c70$43805550$@net>
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Were you using ODBC? ADP project format? Passing parameters to Insert
stored procedures?
IME, I have developed some pretty large apps using ADP format and stored
procedures, and never experienced slow inserts, even with upwards of 75
simultaneous users.

Arthur

On Sun, Jul 22, 2012 at 3:35 PM, Mark Simms <marksimms at verizon.net> wrote:

> Re: " speed is much better "....Sniff, sniff..boy, do I smell something.
> My last benchmarks with Access with SQL Server backend had great speed For
> RETRIEVALS (4x faster). Horrible speed for inserts (10x slower).
>
> This was back in the SQL Server 2000/2005 days. Naturally, this could have
> changed with 2008.
>
>
>

From hans.andersen at phulse.com  Sun Jul 22 15:29:50 2012
From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen)
Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2012 13:29:50 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Fun and games in web design
In-Reply-To: <1E6FDA8C261F4B29B59E0C666905B3C1@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <s008259e.034@cactus.dk>
	<500A0301.4048.4FAE079@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<E46A0399F4B24BD28D3F2ED5E462ED3C@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<1342864654.861898135@f261.mail.ru>
	<1E6FDA8C261F4B29B59E0C666905B3C1@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <BEF51058-87D2-47E0-9978-F9030C123C80@phulse.com>

Actually, my understanding is that FB uses Hbase for their chat and messaging subsystem. Everything else uses MySQL, but it's possible they will or have been migrating more stuff over. For the most part, they still rely on MySQL heavily with lots of caching.

Best regards,
Hans-Christian Andersen


On 21 Jul 2012, at 10:04, "Jim Lawrence" <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:

> MySQL...they are mad. (They are actually using HiveDB in combination with
> MySQL or they would never be able to keep the thing together otherwise.)
> 
> I assumed because Facebook had donated so much time and money into the
> ongoing development of Hadoop, they would be associated with it. Apparently,
> they are not looking at how to improve their system but looking for a
> life-boat.
> 
> It will be interesting to see which way Facebook finally migrates as we know
> they must.
> 
> The author sighted NewSQL as the next logical step but all are in their
> infancy...many are cloud based and the products he quoted were not OSS,
> which means no Start-up company, the next big thing, will ever be able to
> afford to use them. In the OSS world VoltDB, H-Store, HyperSQL, Drizzle
> (refactored MySQL) and of course the new version one Postgres-X
> Jim
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Salakhetdinov
> Shamil
> Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2012 2:58 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Fun and games in web design
> 
> Hi Jim --
> 
> Have a look:
> 
> "Facebook trapped in MySQL 'fate worse than death'"
> http://gigaom.com/cloud/facebook-trapped-in-mysql-fate-worse-than-death/
> 
> "What database does Facebook
> use?"http://stackoverflow.com/questions/3479720/what-database-does-facebook-
> use
> 
> 
> Just facts, no criticism - anyway - Facebook is a great social web site, and
> as Arthur I do envy the engineers who are keeping such an immense set of SQL
> and NoSQL databases and media files up & running so smoothly...
> 
> Thank you.
> 
> -- Shamil
> 
> Fri, 20 Jul 2012 18:51:04 -0700 ?? "Jim Lawrence" <accessd at shaw.ca>:
> 
> 
> 
> Facebook and Google use NoSQL or RM
> 
> Both Oracle and MS are heavily into supporting various NoSQL development
> projects. Most big systems are not just MS SQL or Oracle but hybrids.
> 
> Jim
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
> Sent: Friday, July 20, 2012 6:17 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Fun and games in web design
> 
> AFAIK, both Amazon and EBay use Oracle.
> 
> -- 
> Stuart
> 
> On 20 Jul 2012 at 16:24, Jim Lawrence wrote:
> 
>> One word described those databases: NoSQL
>> 
>> Jim
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
>> Sent: Friday, July 20, 2012 3:59 PM
>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Fun and games in web design
>> 
>> JC,
>> I assume that you use (or have used) Google, Amazon, and eBay. In what
>> sense are they not "real" databases? Certainly not in any sense that I use
>> the word. I envy their response times, which are faster than anything I've
>> ever written against any back end, containing at best about a millionth of
>> their data volume.
>> 
>> Arthur
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From vbacreations at gmail.com  Sun Jul 22 15:57:28 2012
From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson)
Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2012 16:57:28 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Access 2013 -- MDB Back Ends Dead?
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1i9Yc5K4b2u4uRGhvZP6Af_k9eUB+RwT1QMf6CSwhAZ2w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1hnrSMPmNRn-18gXH4qgbqNWToaCQTABHKgy_cub06PWw@mail.gmail.com>
	<006f01cd6841$16801c70$43805550$@net>
	<CAEPJO1i9Yc5K4b2u4uRGhvZP6Af_k9eUB+RwT1QMf6CSwhAZ2w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAGuQ9V62tJ-RT_xvGyntOTcSLACMTLNqn1NqP1YJ=02fA6CY3Q@mail.gmail.com>

Ride on, these blanket statements can be potentially  misleading. Let's get
some specifics before we talk about horrible performance! Thank you
On Jul 22, 2012 4:02 PM, "Arthur Fuller" <fuller.artful at gmail.com> wrote:

> Were you using ODBC? ADP project format? Passing parameters to Insert
> stored procedures?
> IME, I have developed some pretty large apps using ADP format and stored
> procedures, and never experienced slow inserts, even with upwards of 75
> simultaneous users.
>
> Arthur
>
> On Sun, Jul 22, 2012 at 3:35 PM, Mark Simms <marksimms at verizon.net> wrote:
>
> > Re: " speed is much better "....Sniff, sniff..boy, do I smell something.
> > My last benchmarks with Access with SQL Server backend had great speed
> For
> > RETRIEVALS (4x faster). Horrible speed for inserts (10x slower).
> >
> > This was back in the SQL Server 2000/2005 days. Naturally, this could
> have
> > changed with 2008.
> >
> >
> >
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Sun Jul 22 16:27:10 2012
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2012 07:27:10 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Where to go from here.
In-Reply-To: <201207221726.q6MHQBIo024283@databaseadvisors.com>
References: <201207221726.q6MHQBIo024283@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <500C702E.26400.289B9BA@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

I'm amazed at how good the VR is on my Xoom tablet.  I can dictate paragraphs without a 
single error.

The technology has certainly come a long way in the last few years. Combining it with the sort 
of natural language queries that we used to have with Q&A (who remembers that one?)  
would be great.

-- 
Stuart


On 22 Jul 2012 at 10:25, Tony Septav wrote:

> Hey All
> 
> Access is not dead yet but...... I am thinking at looking at voice
> recognition as it applies to database applications. It has fascinated me for
> years. Especially now that most of the telephone companies have a recorded
> message that uses VR to direct you to your account and then walks  you
> through to verbally complete your payment. To me that is really an unique
> and logical way to deal with your collected data.  Any thoughts on this
> would be appreciated.
> 
>  
> 
> Tony Septav
> 
> Nanaimo, BC
> 
> Canada
> 
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> 



From marksimms at verizon.net  Sun Jul 22 16:31:38 2012
From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms)
Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2012 17:31:38 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Access 2013 -- MDB Back Ends Dead?
In-Reply-To: <CAGuQ9V62tJ-RT_xvGyntOTcSLACMTLNqn1NqP1YJ=02fA6CY3Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1hnrSMPmNRn-18gXH4qgbqNWToaCQTABHKgy_cub06PWw@mail.gmail.com>
	<006f01cd6841$16801c70$43805550$@net>
	<CAEPJO1i9Yc5K4b2u4uRGhvZP6Af_k9eUB+RwT1QMf6CSwhAZ2w@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAGuQ9V62tJ-RT_xvGyntOTcSLACMTLNqn1NqP1YJ=02fA6CY3Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <007e01cd6851$60dc4360$2294ca20$@net>

Of course I was talking the standard ODBC connection when you connect to an
SQL Server table.

But I don't consider using stored procedures to be classified as "Access".
That's really SQL Server development ;)

I do not question that using stored procs for the inserts could be fast.
However, the implementation is a bit dirty isn't it ?
You have to iterate thru a recordset and pass each column as a parameter, no
?
I'd like to see how everyone has coded their stored procs to do these
inserts.


> Ride on, these blanket statements can be potentially  misleading. Let's
> get some specifics before we talk about horrible performance! Thank you



From accessd at shaw.ca  Sun Jul 22 17:09:49 2012
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2012 15:09:49 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Access 2013 -- MDB Back Ends Dead?
In-Reply-To: <000601cd683b$45276020$cf762060$@comcast.net>
References: <CAEPJO1hnrSMPmNRn-18gXH4qgbqNWToaCQTABHKgy_cub06PWw@mail.gmail.com><500C3815.8090801@colbyconsulting.com>
	<000601cd683b$45276020$cf762060$@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <E94D50EFBBD04E7EBFA81675EBF66F3F@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Hi Dan:

I think what John means is the MS Access's very pretty interface is
unaffected by the internet and if it is connecting to a real SQL server MS
SQL, SQL Express, MySQL etc...; then everything is just fine as you should
expect.

As for a MDB DB connected across the internet, that would be madness. After
a few unexpected disconnects the MDB would be corrupted and after a while,
maybe a few week or two of heavy use the DB would be unrecoverable. Been
there, done that and learned my lesson. (It took two or three times but I
was stubborn...it is sort of like cutting on a table saw with a blind fold.
You may get away with it for a long time, before you loss a finger.)

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2012 11:53 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access 2013 -- MDB Back Ends Dead?

John - what does 'Access FEs play nice even across the internet.' mean?

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2012 12:28 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access 2013 -- MDB Back Ends Dead?

 >> Looks like my abandonment of the MDB format and serious investment in
SQL Server (both alone and as a BE for Access projects) is going to pay off
big-time.

Yep.  Access FEs play nice even across the internet.  Win-Win.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 7/22/2012 11:23 AM, Arthur Fuller wrote:
> I just picked up this from the Google+ Access Gurus group, posted by 
> Armen Stein, one of the MVPs there:
>
> "Speed is a whole different ballgame now. Since 2013 now uses SQL 
> Server to store the data, speed is much better, even over larger 
> recordsets. Also, aggregrate queries are supported again. Overall from 
> what I've seen, database size and speed are not concerns anymore."
>
> Looks like my abandonment of the MDB format and serious investment in 
> SQL Server (both alone and as a BE for Access projects) is going to 
> pay off big-time.
>

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From accessd at shaw.ca  Sun Jul 22 17:12:56 2012
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2012 15:12:56 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Access 2013 -- MDB Back Ends Dead?
In-Reply-To: <006f01cd6841$16801c70$43805550$@net>
References: <CAEPJO1hnrSMPmNRn-18gXH4qgbqNWToaCQTABHKgy_cub06PWw@mail.gmail.com>
	<006f01cd6841$16801c70$43805550$@net>
Message-ID: <064F9F0265DD4B0F862C7E0E9804E32A@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Hi Mark:

Are you using direct OLE-ADO? Are you using SPs? Are you using recordsets?

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Simms
Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2012 12:35 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access 2013 -- MDB Back Ends Dead?

Re: " speed is much better "....Sniff, sniff..boy, do I smell something.
My last benchmarks with Access with SQL Server backend had great speed For
RETRIEVALS (4x faster). Horrible speed for inserts (10x slower).

This was back in the SQL Server 2000/2005 days. Naturally, this could have
changed with 2008.


> "Speed is a whole different ballgame now. Since 2013 now uses SQL
> Server to
> store the data, speed is much better, even over larger recordsets.
> Also,
> aggregrate queries are supported again. Overall from what I've seen,
> database size and speed are not concerns anymore."


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From accessd at shaw.ca  Sun Jul 22 17:39:55 2012
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2012 15:39:55 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Access 2013 -- MDB Back Ends Dead?
In-Reply-To: <007e01cd6851$60dc4360$2294ca20$@net>
References: <CAEPJO1hnrSMPmNRn-18gXH4qgbqNWToaCQTABHKgy_cub06PWw@mail.gmail.com><006f01cd6841$16801c70$43805550$@net><CAEPJO1i9Yc5K4b2u4uRGhvZP6Af_k9eUB+RwT1QMf6CSwhAZ2w@mail.gmail.com><CAGuQ9V62tJ-RT_xvGyntOTcSLACMTLNqn1NqP1YJ=02fA6CY3Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<007e01cd6851$60dc4360$2294ca20$@net>
Message-ID: <670E9F3DB4BA4E4F8E53B52663675898@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Hi Mark:

If you use SPs, you get an immediate performance jump the first-time
through. After that MS SQL compiles and caches the SP and performance boost
is dramatic on subsequent requests. 

Creating Insert statements via SP is definitely not for the faint at heart.
A good days work for sure. There is code out there that will automate much
of the drudgery, leaving you to do the clean up and leave an SP that will
catch any insertion-attacks. The good news is once done its done.

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Simms
Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2012 2:32 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access 2013 -- MDB Back Ends Dead?

Of course I was talking the standard ODBC connection when you connect to an
SQL Server table.

But I don't consider using stored procedures to be classified as "Access".
That's really SQL Server development ;)

I do not question that using stored procs for the inserts could be fast.
However, the implementation is a bit dirty isn't it ?
You have to iterate thru a recordset and pass each column as a parameter, no
?
I'd like to see how everyone has coded their stored procs to do these
inserts.


> Ride on, these blanket statements can be potentially  misleading. Let's
> get some specifics before we talk about horrible performance! Thank you


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From hans.andersen at phulse.com  Sun Jul 22 17:54:53 2012
From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen)
Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2012 15:54:53 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Where to go from here.
In-Reply-To: <500C702E.26400.289B9BA@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <201207221726.q6MHQBIo024283@databaseadvisors.com>
	<500C702E.26400.289B9BA@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <A2082D74-7414-4387-8A75-3E793ACDF97F@phulse.com>

I'm also looking forward to the next OS update from Apple (Mountain Lion), as VR is going to be baked right into the OS itself. Is this something MS is doing in Windows 8 I wonder?

- Hans

Sent from my iPhone

On 2012-07-22, at 2:27 PM, "Stuart McLachlan" <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg> wrote:

> I'm amazed at how good the VR is on my Xoom tablet.  I can dictate paragraphs without a 
> single error.
> 
> The technology has certainly come a long way in the last few years. Combining it with the sort 
> of natural language queries that we used to have with Q&A (who remembers that one?)  
> would be great.
> 
> -- 
> Stuart
> 
> 
> On 22 Jul 2012 at 10:25, Tony Septav wrote:
> 
>> Hey All
>> 
>> Access is not dead yet but...... I am thinking at looking at voice
>> recognition as it applies to database applications. It has fascinated me for
>> years. Especially now that most of the telephone companies have a recorded
>> message that uses VR to direct you to your account and then walks  you
>> through to verbally complete your payment. To me that is really an unique
>> and logical way to deal with your collected data.  Any thoughts on this
>> would be appreciated.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Tony Septav
>> 
>> Nanaimo, BC
>> 
>> Canada
>> 
>> -- 
>> AccessD mailing list
>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>> 
> 
> 
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From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au  Sun Jul 22 18:37:47 2012
From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins)
Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2012 23:37:47 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Remote Support for Access 2007 Applications ? Very
 Slow	Response Time During the Day
In-Reply-To: <E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C50163B23B@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
References: <CAKhUvEX=hHRWonQ9w04skDpCPW_fZWch206M1FPdophnQNKUuA@mail.gmail.com>,
	<E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C50163B234@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
	<50063095.29992.3DF1FB73@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C50163B23B@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
Message-ID: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B524FCE221@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>

Hi Brad,

We have swapped to using Team viewer rather than Log Me In as we were starting to have exactly those performance issues too.  Each have their pros and cons, but Team viewer is certainly more responsive than Log me in and generally works a lot faster.  Worth a look. 

<<http://www.teamviewer.com/en/index.aspx>>

Cheers
Darryl

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brad Marks
Sent: Saturday, 21 July 2012 12:44 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Remote Support for Access 2007 Applications ? Very Slow Response Time During the Day

All,

I know that this is more of a network question than an Access question.

I support several Access 2007 applications for a small firm.  I am onsite most of the time and response time is very good.

Currently, I am trying to support these applications remotely via LogMeIn as I am temporarily located about 250 miles away.

Response time is quite good from 5:00 PM until 8:00 AM.  However, during normal business hours (8:00 AM to 5:00 PM) the response time that I have via LogMeIn, is VERY VERY Slow.  Sometimes it takes over a minute to "paint" a single screen.

No one in the office is seeing poor response time during business hours (they are all working "locally").

My background is in database administration and application development.  I only know enough about Network issues to be dangerous.

A number of employees (maybe 5-10) stream music and occasionally some videos over the internet during the day.  

It is my theory that this streaming of music and videos is causing my response time to be very poor during the day.

The catch is I do not know how to scientifically prove this.  I work for a small firm and there currently are no tools to monitor the network.


Here are my questions...

Is it likely that the streaming of music and videos is having a big impact on my remote response time? 

Are there any free or inexpensive network monitoring tools available that would confirm this theory.  I would like to find a network tool that could show how much of the bandwidth is being used by the streaming of music and videos.

Is there something else that I should be looking at?

Thanks,
Brad  
    



From accessd at shaw.ca  Sun Jul 22 19:10:07 2012
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2012 17:10:07 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Remote Support for Access 2007 Applications ? Very
	Slow	Response Time During the Day
In-Reply-To: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B524FCE221@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
References: <CAKhUvEX=hHRWonQ9w04skDpCPW_fZWch206M1FPdophnQNKUuA@mail.gmail.com>,
	<E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C50163B234@blkltd.blkfst2003.local><50063095.29992.3DF1FB73@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg><E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C50163B23B@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
	<56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B524FCE221@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <2B229D40ACAF4CEF87E543884CCCEABE@creativesystemdesigns.com>

I'll second that.

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darryl Collins
Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2012 4:38 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Remote Support for Access 2007 Applications ? Very
Slow Response Time During the Day

Hi Brad,

We have swapped to using Team viewer rather than Log Me In as we were
starting to have exactly those performance issues too.  Each have their pros
and cons, but Team viewer is certainly more responsive than Log me in and
generally works a lot faster.  Worth a look. 

<<http://www.teamviewer.com/en/index.aspx>>

Cheers
Darryl

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brad Marks
Sent: Saturday, 21 July 2012 12:44 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Remote Support for Access 2007 Applications ? Very Slow
Response Time During the Day

All,

I know that this is more of a network question than an Access question.

I support several Access 2007 applications for a small firm.  I am onsite
most of the time and response time is very good.

Currently, I am trying to support these applications remotely via LogMeIn as
I am temporarily located about 250 miles away.

Response time is quite good from 5:00 PM until 8:00 AM.  However, during
normal business hours (8:00 AM to 5:00 PM) the response time that I have via
LogMeIn, is VERY VERY Slow.  Sometimes it takes over a minute to "paint" a
single screen.

No one in the office is seeing poor response time during business hours
(they are all working "locally").

My background is in database administration and application development.  I
only know enough about Network issues to be dangerous.

A number of employees (maybe 5-10) stream music and occasionally some videos
over the internet during the day.  

It is my theory that this streaming of music and videos is causing my
response time to be very poor during the day.

The catch is I do not know how to scientifically prove this.  I work for a
small firm and there currently are no tools to monitor the network.


Here are my questions...

Is it likely that the streaming of music and videos is having a big impact
on my remote response time? 

Are there any free or inexpensive network monitoring tools available that
would confirm this theory.  I would like to find a network tool that could
show how much of the bandwidth is being used by the streaming of music and
videos.

Is there something else that I should be looking at?

Thanks,
Brad  
    


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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Sun Jul 22 20:36:27 2012
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2012 21:36:27 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Access 2013 -- MDB Back Ends Dead?
In-Reply-To: <670E9F3DB4BA4E4F8E53B52663675898@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <CAEPJO1hnrSMPmNRn-18gXH4qgbqNWToaCQTABHKgy_cub06PWw@mail.gmail.com>
	<006f01cd6841$16801c70$43805550$@net>
	<CAEPJO1i9Yc5K4b2u4uRGhvZP6Af_k9eUB+RwT1QMf6CSwhAZ2w@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAGuQ9V62tJ-RT_xvGyntOTcSLACMTLNqn1NqP1YJ=02fA6CY3Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<007e01cd6851$60dc4360$2294ca20$@net>
	<670E9F3DB4BA4E4F8E53B52663675898@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1hw+T-U895hMmeEa-byS4tiJK=QgPZSeyEPtvf5AU7ORw@mail.gmail.com>

Mark,

Generating the SPs for Inserts a cinch. SSMS does most of the heavy lifting
for you. To create an Insert stored procedure for any given table in the
database of interest, do this:

1. In SSMS, expand the database and its Tables node.
2. Right-click on the table name and select Script Table as | Insert To |
New Query window.

You will get something like this (from the Northwind database):

<sql>
INSERT INTO [Northwind].[dbo].[Categories]
           ([CategoryName]
           ,[Description]
           ,[Picture])
     VALUES
           (<CategoryName, nvarchar(15),>
           ,<Description, ntext,>
           ,<Picture, image,>)
GO
</sql>

I picked a small table so I could save as much space as possible in this
reply, but the same thing happens no matter how many columns your table
has. All you have to do now is replace the toksns with their parameter
equivalents, twice, once in the parameter list area and then again in the
section beneath the VALUES keyword

Parameter List:

           (<CategoryName, nvarchar(15),>
           ,<Description, ntext,>
           ,<Picture, image,>)

VALUES List:

           (@CategoryName
           , at Description
           , at Picture)

Save the script to an SP name. Next Table. How hard is that?

In the Access FE, for each of these generated SPs you'll need to create a
command object and add a parameter for each of the parameters your SP will
accept. Once you've added one parameter, you can copy and past that line
over and over until you've accounted for all the columns. All you'll need
to do then is indicate where the parameter values are coming from (i.e. the
controls on a form, most likely, which in all probability have names almost
identical to the columns from which they derive). One last line to execute
the command object and you're done.

Granted, it would be nice on both sides (Access and SQL) if there were
tools to do what I just outlined. But come on, how difficult is it to do
what I just outlined? If the Access side takes you a minute and the SQL
side takes another minute, and you have 100 tables, in less than two hours
you're all done. And without breaking a sweat.

Arthur

From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Sun Jul 22 20:43:47 2012
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2012 21:43:47 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Remote Support for Access 2007 Applications ? Very
 Slow Response Time During the Day
In-Reply-To: <2B229D40ACAF4CEF87E543884CCCEABE@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <CAKhUvEX=hHRWonQ9w04skDpCPW_fZWch206M1FPdophnQNKUuA@mail.gmail.com>
	<E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C50163B234@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
	<50063095.29992.3DF1FB73@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C50163B23B@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
	<56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B524FCE221@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
	<2B229D40ACAF4CEF87E543884CCCEABE@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1gCFhR5DnGm46fvFN8PuDpxK_97FRN5gBqFPzbYZRg3QQ@mail.gmail.com>

I'll third it. I have only begun to use Team Viewer recently but I love it,
and use it almost every day with my partner in crime, Jim Dettman. What I
really like is that we can take turns at the steering wheel.

Arthur

From df.waters at comcast.net  Sun Jul 22 22:49:26 2012
From: df.waters at comcast.net (Dan Waters)
Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2012 22:49:26 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Access 2013 -- MDB Back Ends Dead?
In-Reply-To: <E94D50EFBBD04E7EBFA81675EBF66F3F@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <CAEPJO1hnrSMPmNRn-18gXH4qgbqNWToaCQTABHKgy_cub06PWw@mail.gmail.com><500C3815.8090801@colbyconsulting.com>	<000601cd683b$45276020$cf762060$@comcast.net>
	<E94D50EFBBD04E7EBFA81675EBF66F3F@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <001301cd6886$27ec33f0$77c49bd0$@comcast.net>

Well - I've connected an Access FE to SQL Server across the internet via VPN
using ODBC table links, and the performance was horrible - about the same as
connecting to an Access file with data tables via Access table links.
However, if you connect using OLEDB technology (like using Access Project),
then performance across the internet via VPN is OK.

I was wondering if something in Access 2013 allowed connecting to SQL Server
using a connection string the same way that Visual Studio does.  But that
would be a violation of MS Law (Never make Access better)!  ;-)

Dan


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2012 5:10 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access 2013 -- MDB Back Ends Dead?

Hi Dan:

I think what John means is the MS Access's very pretty interface is
unaffected by the internet and if it is connecting to a real SQL server MS
SQL, SQL Express, MySQL etc...; then everything is just fine as you should
expect.

As for a MDB DB connected across the internet, that would be madness. After
a few unexpected disconnects the MDB would be corrupted and after a while,
maybe a few week or two of heavy use the DB would be unrecoverable. Been
there, done that and learned my lesson. (It took two or three times but I
was stubborn...it is sort of like cutting on a table saw with a blind fold.
You may get away with it for a long time, before you loss a finger.)

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2012 11:53 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access 2013 -- MDB Back Ends Dead?

John - what does 'Access FEs play nice even across the internet.' mean?

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2012 12:28 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access 2013 -- MDB Back Ends Dead?

 >> Looks like my abandonment of the MDB format and serious investment in
SQL Server (both alone and as a BE for Access projects) is going to pay off
big-time.

Yep.  Access FEs play nice even across the internet.  Win-Win.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 7/22/2012 11:23 AM, Arthur Fuller wrote:
> I just picked up this from the Google+ Access Gurus group, posted by 
> Armen Stein, one of the MVPs there:
>
> "Speed is a whole different ballgame now. Since 2013 now uses SQL 
> Server to store the data, speed is much better, even over larger 
> recordsets. Also, aggregrate queries are supported again. Overall from 
> what I've seen, database size and speed are not concerns anymore."
>
> Looks like my abandonment of the MDB format and serious investment in 
> SQL Server (both alone and as a BE for Access projects) is going to 
> pay off big-time.
>

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From gustav at cactus.dk  Mon Jul 23 01:46:04 2012
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2012 08:46:04 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Remote Support for Access 2007 Applications ?	Very
	Slow Response Time During the Day
Message-ID: <s00d0f59.065@cactus.dk>

Hi Arthur et al

Well, sweet music, but it doesn't come free for commercial use.

/gustav


>>> fuller.artful at gmail.com 23-07-12 3:43 >>>
I'll third it. I have only begun to use Team Viewer recently but I love it,
and use it almost every day with my partner in crime, Jim Dettman. What I
really like is that we can take turns at the steering wheel.

Arthur



From accessd at shaw.ca  Mon Jul 23 02:27:14 2012
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2012 00:27:14 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Remote Support for Access 2007 Applications
	?	VerySlow Response Time During the Day
In-Reply-To: <s00d0f59.065@cactus.dk>
References: <s00d0f59.065@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <091090E0137A4D598DEE63B0881A6CF1@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Actually neither does LogMeIn for that matter...what you get for free is a
crippled product. 

If you do enough business with TeamViewer you reach a commercial level and
the professional costs pays for itself. 

If you are doing a lot of server work there are a couple of free Cytrix
(termServer) administration licenses, that are built in, which allows you to
use RDP from anywhere, from any client.

Personally, I rarely use either LogMeIn or TeamViewer and if it is required
it is best to let the client pick up the cost. I do use Hamachi, though, but
mostly for emergency logins if the client's static IP is inadvertently
changed by the ISP. (It should never happen but it happens all the time.)

In a pinch there is still old NetMeeting which has been the backup remote
connection for over ten years or Telnet which has been around longer. 

Jim   

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2012 11:46 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Remote Support for Access 2007 Applications ?
VerySlow Response Time During the Day

Hi Arthur et al

Well, sweet music, but it doesn't come free for commercial use.

/gustav


>>> fuller.artful at gmail.com 23-07-12 3:43 >>>
I'll third it. I have only begun to use Team Viewer recently but I love it,
and use it almost every day with my partner in crime, Jim Dettman. What I
really like is that we can take turns at the steering wheel.

Arthur


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From gustav at cactus.dk  Mon Jul 23 03:00:01 2012
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2012 10:00:01 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Remote Support for Access 2007
	Applications	?	VerySlow Response Time During the Day
Message-ID: <s00d20b8.069@cactus.dk>

Hi Jim

That is not so. The free LogMeIn is excellent for ad hoc remote tasks. We use it a lot as it allows us when we work at clients (which happens often and routinely) to reach our office workstations at any time even if they are powered off. 

We prefer Remote Desktop to our terminal server for dedicated tasks but, as you know, this often requires adjustment to firewalls at clients which may not be possible.

This you cannot do with TeamViewer without a paid license.

/gustav


>>> accessd at shaw.ca 23-07-12 9:27 >>>
Actually neither does LogMeIn for that matter...what you get for free is a crippled product. 


From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Mon Jul 23 06:02:50 2012
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2012 07:02:50 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Access 2013 -- MDB Back Ends Dead?
In-Reply-To: <001301cd6886$27ec33f0$77c49bd0$@comcast.net>
References: <CAEPJO1hnrSMPmNRn-18gXH4qgbqNWToaCQTABHKgy_cub06PWw@mail.gmail.com>
	<500C3815.8090801@colbyconsulting.com>
	<000601cd683b$45276020$cf762060$@comcast.net>
	<E94D50EFBBD04E7EBFA81675EBF66F3F@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<001301cd6886$27ec33f0$77c49bd0$@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1gQux3PJ7s6sUPrp+nJnf=SzLiZN_-pSBJ0mQtZH-SCUg@mail.gmail.com>

Personally, I wouldn't attempt to connect Access to a remote server, but
instead set up a Terminal Services box in the SQL server's location
(perhaps even on the same box) and install Access + my app there, and have
all the users run it that way. I've done that and performance was insanely
great.

Arthur

From edzedz at comcast.net  Mon Jul 23 16:33:18 2012
From: edzedz at comcast.net (Edward Zuris)
Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2012 15:33:18 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Testing Software for Access 2003
Message-ID: <92DAAB375AA44CDE9E6A5B2DB1813341@EDZ1>

 

 Does our forum have any suggestions for some Testing software for Ms-Access
2003 ?

 

 Thanks.

 

 Ed.

 

 


From marksimms at verizon.net  Mon Jul 23 17:43:19 2012
From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms)
Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2012 18:43:19 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Access 2013 -- MDB Back Ends Dead?
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1hw+T-U895hMmeEa-byS4tiJK=QgPZSeyEPtvf5AU7ORw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1hnrSMPmNRn-18gXH4qgbqNWToaCQTABHKgy_cub06PWw@mail.gmail.com>
	<006f01cd6841$16801c70$43805550$@net>
	<CAEPJO1i9Yc5K4b2u4uRGhvZP6Af_k9eUB+RwT1QMf6CSwhAZ2w@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAGuQ9V62tJ-RT_xvGyntOTcSLACMTLNqn1NqP1YJ=02fA6CY3Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<007e01cd6851$60dc4360$2294ca20$@net>
	<670E9F3DB4BA4E4F8E53B52663675898@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<CAEPJO1hw+T-U895hMmeEa-byS4tiJK=QgPZSeyEPtvf5AU7ORw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <00e601cd6924$8eea95d0$acbfc170$@net>

Art - thanks for that. But for 100 tables, what happens when half of them
change ?
I'd rather have this scripted to be consistent and to accommodate changes
rapidly.



From BradM at blackforestltd.com  Mon Jul 23 18:01:47 2012
From: BradM at blackforestltd.com (Brad Marks)
Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2012 18:01:47 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Testing Software for Access 2003
References: <92DAAB375AA44CDE9E6A5B2DB1813341@EDZ1>
Message-ID: <E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C50163B23F@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>

Ed,

I use a free tool called AutoHotKey.  

It works nicely for the automated testing that I do.

Brad


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com on behalf of Edward Zuris
Sent: Mon 7/23/2012 4:33 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Testing Software for Access 2003
 
 

 Does our forum have any suggestions for some Testing software for Ms-Access
2003 ?

 

 Thanks.

 

 Ed.

 

 

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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Jul 23 20:02:52 2012
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2012 21:02:52 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Access 2013 -- MDB Back Ends Dead?
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1hw+T-U895hMmeEa-byS4tiJK=QgPZSeyEPtvf5AU7ORw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1hnrSMPmNRn-18gXH4qgbqNWToaCQTABHKgy_cub06PWw@mail.gmail.com>
	<006f01cd6841$16801c70$43805550$@net>
	<CAEPJO1i9Yc5K4b2u4uRGhvZP6Af_k9eUB+RwT1QMf6CSwhAZ2w@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAGuQ9V62tJ-RT_xvGyntOTcSLACMTLNqn1NqP1YJ=02fA6CY3Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<007e01cd6851$60dc4360$2294ca20$@net>
	<670E9F3DB4BA4E4F8E53B52663675898@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<CAEPJO1hw+T-U895hMmeEa-byS4tiJK=QgPZSeyEPtvf5AU7ORw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <500DF43C.9020304@colbyconsulting.com>

Don't forget that the SP has to be assigned execute permissions in SQL Server for the user trying to 
execute the SP.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 7/22/2012 9:36 PM, Arthur Fuller wrote:
> Mark,
>
> Generating the SPs for Inserts a cinch. SSMS does most of the heavy lifting
> for you. To create an Insert stored procedure for any given table in the
> database of interest, do this:
>
> 1. In SSMS, expand the database and its Tables node.
> 2. Right-click on the table name and select Script Table as | Insert To |
> New Query window.
>
> You will get something like this (from the Northwind database):
>
> <sql>
> INSERT INTO [Northwind].[dbo].[Categories]
>             ([CategoryName]
>             ,[Description]
>             ,[Picture])
>       VALUES
>             (<CategoryName, nvarchar(15),>
>             ,<Description, ntext,>
>             ,<Picture, image,>)
> GO
> </sql>
>
> I picked a small table so I could save as much space as possible in this
> reply, but the same thing happens no matter how many columns your table
> has. All you have to do now is replace the toksns with their parameter
> equivalents, twice, once in the parameter list area and then again in the
> section beneath the VALUES keyword
>
> Parameter List:
>
>             (<CategoryName, nvarchar(15),>
>             ,<Description, ntext,>
>             ,<Picture, image,>)
>
> VALUES List:
>
>             (@CategoryName
>             , at Description
>             , at Picture)
>
> Save the script to an SP name. Next Table. How hard is that?
>
> In the Access FE, for each of these generated SPs you'll need to create a
> command object and add a parameter for each of the parameters your SP will
> accept. Once you've added one parameter, you can copy and past that line
> over and over until you've accounted for all the columns. All you'll need
> to do then is indicate where the parameter values are coming from (i.e. the
> controls on a form, most likely, which in all probability have names almost
> identical to the columns from which they derive). One last line to execute
> the command object and you're done.
>
> Granted, it would be nice on both sides (Access and SQL) if there were
> tools to do what I just outlined. But come on, how difficult is it to do
> what I just outlined? If the Access side takes you a minute and the SQL
> side takes another minute, and you have 100 tables, in less than two hours
> you're all done. And without breaking a sweat.
>
> Arthur
>


From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Jul 23 20:07:40 2012
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2012 21:07:40 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Access 2013 -- MDB Back Ends Dead?
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Not so fun however when you are giving unknown / barely known users / machines access to your 
business server.  Better to have an Access Fe installed on the user's machine coming in under a 
single SQL Server user / group which is precisely controlled what it is allowed to do.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 7/23/2012 7:02 AM, Arthur Fuller wrote:
> Personally, I wouldn't attempt to connect Access to a remote server, but
> instead set up a Terminal Services box in the SQL server's location
> (perhaps even on the same box) and install Access + my app there, and have
> all the users run it that way. I've done that and performance was insanely
> great.
>
> Arthur
>


From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Tue Jul 24 07:45:09 2012
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2012 08:45:09 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Access 2013 -- MDB Back Ends Dead?
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I think that I disagree on that point, JC. I much prefer to assign users to
Roles on the database level. I have even found that Roles are additive, or
perhaps cumulative is a better word. For example, within a given database,
you could create a Role called Sales, with just enough rights to create new
sales orders and look up existing sales. Above that, you could have another
Role called SalesManager, with all the Sales rights and some additional
ones such as the ability to view the performance reports on all Sales
people. And above that, a SeniorManagement Role that can do everything
Sales and SalesManager can do, plus some additional stuff.

The main reason I like to do it this way is

In a multi-company scenario, Company A's Roles could be restricted
completely to that company's database, and similarly for Companies B and C.

And meanwhile, godlike being that you are, you can do Anything.

A.

On Mon, Jul 23, 2012 at 9:07 PM, jwcolby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>wrote:

> Not so fun however when you are giving unknown / barely known users /
> machines access to your business server.  Better to have an Access Fe
> installed on the user's machine coming in under a single SQL Server user /
> group which is precisely controlled what it is allowed to do.
>
>
>

From accessd at shaw.ca  Tue Jul 24 08:39:57 2012
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2012 06:39:57 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Access 2013 -- MDB Back Ends Dead?
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Hi John:

Pushing code from any client has great risk as the system is now open to
insertion attacks. In the over all scheme of things, parameter passing is
far more secure. 

Think about web sites. The FE is completely exposed to virtual anyone in the
world, the middle tier though isolated can be duplicated, in an attempt to
fool the system, so that leaves your DB BE as your only and best line of
defense. The DB, like MS SQL or MySQL can apply a series of very fine grain
controls and levels of security through passwords, roles, groups and so on 

Jim

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Monday, July 23, 2012 6:03 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access 2013 -- MDB Back Ends Dead?

Don't forget that the SP has to be assigned execute permissions in SQL
Server for the user trying to 
execute the SP.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 7/22/2012 9:36 PM, Arthur Fuller wrote:
> Mark,
>
> Generating the SPs for Inserts a cinch. SSMS does most of the heavy
lifting
> for you. To create an Insert stored procedure for any given table in the
> database of interest, do this:
>
> 1. In SSMS, expand the database and its Tables node.
> 2. Right-click on the table name and select Script Table as | Insert To |
> New Query window.
>
> You will get something like this (from the Northwind database):
>
> <sql>
> INSERT INTO [Northwind].[dbo].[Categories]
>             ([CategoryName]
>             ,[Description]
>             ,[Picture])
>       VALUES
>             (<CategoryName, nvarchar(15),>
>             ,<Description, ntext,>
>             ,<Picture, image,>)
> GO
> </sql>
>
> I picked a small table so I could save as much space as possible in this
> reply, but the same thing happens no matter how many columns your table
> has. All you have to do now is replace the toksns with their parameter
> equivalents, twice, once in the parameter list area and then again in the
> section beneath the VALUES keyword
>
> Parameter List:
>
>             (<CategoryName, nvarchar(15),>
>             ,<Description, ntext,>
>             ,<Picture, image,>)
>
> VALUES List:
>
>             (@CategoryName
>             , at Description
>             , at Picture)
>
> Save the script to an SP name. Next Table. How hard is that?
>
> In the Access FE, for each of these generated SPs you'll need to create a
> command object and add a parameter for each of the parameters your SP will
> accept. Once you've added one parameter, you can copy and past that line
> over and over until you've accounted for all the columns. All you'll need
> to do then is indicate where the parameter values are coming from (i.e.
the
> controls on a form, most likely, which in all probability have names
almost
> identical to the columns from which they derive). One last line to execute
> the command object and you're done.
>
> Granted, it would be nice on both sides (Access and SQL) if there were
> tools to do what I just outlined. But come on, how difficult is it to do
> what I just outlined? If the Access side takes you a minute and the SQL
> side takes another minute, and you have 100 tables, in less than two hours
> you're all done. And without breaking a sweat.
>
> Arthur
>

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From charlotte.foust at gmail.com  Tue Jul 24 08:53:57 2012
From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2012 06:53:57 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Access 2013 -- MDB Back Ends Dead?
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Maybe I'm missing something, but it doesn't seem like the two concepts are
mutually exclusive.  Roles are created on the database side and users log
into those roles through the FE login.  Or is the assumption that the
database roles will be individually assigned based on network login?

Charlotte

On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 5:45 AM, Arthur Fuller <fuller.artful at gmail.com>wrote:

> I think that I disagree on that point, JC. I much prefer to assign users to
> Roles on the database level. I have even found that Roles are additive, or
> perhaps cumulative is a better word. For example, within a given database,
> you could create a Role called Sales, with just enough rights to create new
> sales orders and look up existing sales. Above that, you could have another
> Role called SalesManager, with all the Sales rights and some additional
> ones such as the ability to view the performance reports on all Sales
> people. And above that, a SeniorManagement Role that can do everything
> Sales and SalesManager can do, plus some additional stuff.
>
> The main reason I like to do it this way is
>
> In a multi-company scenario, Company A's Roles could be restricted
> completely to that company's database, and similarly for Companies B and C.
>
> And meanwhile, godlike being that you are, you can do Anything.
>
> A.
>
> On Mon, Jul 23, 2012 at 9:07 PM, jwcolby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com
> >wrote:
>
> > Not so fun however when you are giving unknown / barely known users /
> > machines access to your business server.  Better to have an Access Fe
> > installed on the user's machine coming in under a single SQL Server user
> /
> > group which is precisely controlled what it is allowed to do.
> >
> >
> >
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Tue Jul 24 08:55:52 2012
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2012 06:55:52 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Access 2013 -- MDB Back Ends Dead?
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I agree with you on that one, Arthur.

Jim

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Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2012 5:45 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access 2013 -- MDB Back Ends Dead?

I think that I disagree on that point, JC. I much prefer to assign users to
Roles on the database level. I have even found that Roles are additive, or
perhaps cumulative is a better word. For example, within a given database,
you could create a Role called Sales, with just enough rights to create new
sales orders and look up existing sales. Above that, you could have another
Role called SalesManager, with all the Sales rights and some additional
ones such as the ability to view the performance reports on all Sales
people. And above that, a SeniorManagement Role that can do everything
Sales and SalesManager can do, plus some additional stuff.

The main reason I like to do it this way is

In a multi-company scenario, Company A's Roles could be restricted
completely to that company's database, and similarly for Companies B and C.

And meanwhile, godlike being that you are, you can do Anything.

A.

On Mon, Jul 23, 2012 at 9:07 PM, jwcolby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>wrote:

> Not so fun however when you are giving unknown / barely known users /
> machines access to your business server.  Better to have an Access Fe
> installed on the user's machine coming in under a single SQL Server user /
> group which is precisely controlled what it is allowed to do.
>
>
>
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue Jul 24 09:26:23 2012
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2012 10:26:23 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Access 2013 -- MDB Back Ends Dead?
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I think that again we are talking apples and oranges.  The conversation continues to veer off to 
"look at amazon" when in fact this list is about Access FEs talking to (in this case) SQL Server. 
How I would handle security for an Amazon or an Ebay is just not the same as how I would handle 
working with Access.

I actually do have several databases, different (small) companies coming into SQL Server over the 
internet.  Each one has it's own database and each one can only see it's own db.  This is not a 
theoretical, this is actual practice.  I have another database that isn't a "company" at all, just a 
bunch of users of the database, volunteers who need to get at a database for their use.

We all know that Access is not very secure and the best you can do is the best you can do.  If we 
are going to discuss Access FEs then it is helpful to be realistic.  "Insertion attacks" are not 
generated by hackers stealing a laptop, discovering that there is an access database on it, learning 
enough about Access to figure out how to go attack it and then hacking into that database.  If you 
suspect that the database in question is valuable or high profile enough that someone is going to do 
that then you have no business even discussing an Access FE.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 7/24/2012 9:53 AM, Charlotte Foust wrote:
> Maybe I'm missing something, but it doesn't seem like the two concepts are
> mutually exclusive.  Roles are created on the database side and users log
> into those roles through the FE login.  Or is the assumption that the
> database roles will be individually assigned based on network login?
>
> Charlotte
>
> On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 5:45 AM, Arthur Fuller <fuller.artful at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> I think that I disagree on that point, JC. I much prefer to assign users to
>> Roles on the database level. I have even found that Roles are additive, or
>> perhaps cumulative is a better word. For example, within a given database,
>> you could create a Role called Sales, with just enough rights to create new
>> sales orders and look up existing sales. Above that, you could have another
>> Role called SalesManager, with all the Sales rights and some additional
>> ones such as the ability to view the performance reports on all Sales
>> people. And above that, a SeniorManagement Role that can do everything
>> Sales and SalesManager can do, plus some additional stuff.
>>
>> The main reason I like to do it this way is
>>
>> In a multi-company scenario, Company A's Roles could be restricted
>> completely to that company's database, and similarly for Companies B and C.
>>
>> And meanwhile, godlike being that you are, you can do Anything.
>>
>> A.
>>
>> On Mon, Jul 23, 2012 at 9:07 PM, jwcolby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com
>>> wrote:
>>
>>> Not so fun however when you are giving unknown / barely known users /
>>> machines access to your business server.  Better to have an Access Fe
>>> installed on the user's machine coming in under a single SQL Server user
>> /
>>> group which is precisely controlled what it is allowed to do.
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>>
>>
>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>
>>
>>


From edzedz at comcast.net  Tue Jul 24 09:50:14 2012
From: edzedz at comcast.net (Edward Zuris)
Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2012 08:50:14 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Testing Software for Access 2003
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 Thanks.


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Sent: Monday, July 23, 2012 5:02 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Testing Software for Access 2003

Ed,

I use a free tool called AutoHotKey.  

It works nicely for the automated testing that I do.

Brad


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To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Testing Software for Access 2003
 
 

 Does our forum have any suggestions for some Testing software for Ms-Access
2003 ?

 

 Thanks.

 

 Ed.

 

 

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From accessd at shaw.ca  Tue Jul 24 11:55:48 2012
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2012 09:55:48 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Access 2013 -- MDB Back Ends Dead?
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Talking MS Access; the FE never had security and the MDB BE security was
almost irrelevant. So that makes a real SQL BE to Access the only position
of security. 

Users can not have the ability to administrate their own BE on a server as
they will end up deleting more than they should or just basically screwing
it up. If you are connected to a company like Amazon they couldn't care less
unless you are paying them to do the administration and that same thought
extends to any system. 

Real administration can not be automated and administrator rights can not be
given away as we all know where that ends.

Jim  

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Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2012 7:26 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access 2013 -- MDB Back Ends Dead?

I think that again we are talking apples and oranges.  The conversation
continues to veer off to 
"look at amazon" when in fact this list is about Access FEs talking to (in
this case) SQL Server. 
How I would handle security for an Amazon or an Ebay is just not the same as
how I would handle 
working with Access.

I actually do have several databases, different (small) companies coming
into SQL Server over the 
internet.  Each one has it's own database and each one can only see it's own
db.  This is not a 
theoretical, this is actual practice.  I have another database that isn't a
"company" at all, just a 
bunch of users of the database, volunteers who need to get at a database for
their use.

We all know that Access is not very secure and the best you can do is the
best you can do.  If we 
are going to discuss Access FEs then it is helpful to be realistic.
"Insertion attacks" are not 
generated by hackers stealing a laptop, discovering that there is an access
database on it, learning 
enough about Access to figure out how to go attack it and then hacking into
that database.  If you 
suspect that the database in question is valuable or high profile enough
that someone is going to do 
that then you have no business even discussing an Access FE.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 7/24/2012 9:53 AM, Charlotte Foust wrote:
> Maybe I'm missing something, but it doesn't seem like the two concepts are
> mutually exclusive.  Roles are created on the database side and users log
> into those roles through the FE login.  Or is the assumption that the
> database roles will be individually assigned based on network login?
>
> Charlotte
>
> On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 5:45 AM, Arthur Fuller
<fuller.artful at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> I think that I disagree on that point, JC. I much prefer to assign users
to
>> Roles on the database level. I have even found that Roles are additive,
or
>> perhaps cumulative is a better word. For example, within a given
database,
>> you could create a Role called Sales, with just enough rights to create
new
>> sales orders and look up existing sales. Above that, you could have
another
>> Role called SalesManager, with all the Sales rights and some additional
>> ones such as the ability to view the performance reports on all Sales
>> people. And above that, a SeniorManagement Role that can do everything
>> Sales and SalesManager can do, plus some additional stuff.
>>
>> The main reason I like to do it this way is
>>
>> In a multi-company scenario, Company A's Roles could be restricted
>> completely to that company's database, and similarly for Companies B and
C.
>>
>> And meanwhile, godlike being that you are, you can do Anything.
>>
>> A.
>>
>> On Mon, Jul 23, 2012 at 9:07 PM, jwcolby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com
>>> wrote:
>>
>>> Not so fun however when you are giving unknown / barely known users /
>>> machines access to your business server.  Better to have an Access Fe
>>> installed on the user's machine coming in under a single SQL Server user
>> /
>>> group which is precisely controlled what it is allowed to do.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> --
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>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>>
>>
>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>
>>
>>

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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Tue Jul 24 15:32:51 2012
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2012 16:32:51 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Testing Software for Access 2003
In-Reply-To: <D4AF0702927D43559315A7C81E05FB2A@EDZ1>
References: <92DAAB375AA44CDE9E6A5B2DB1813341@EDZ1>
	<E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C50163B23F@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
	<D4AF0702927D43559315A7C81E05FB2A@EDZ1>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1j1T=OnuuGYzMqYBxEM3_O7CQ_uO9=NN2zuT=kDcZd5RA@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks, Brad. I just downloaded AutoHotKey and am reading the help file.
Looks really useful!
Arthur

From charlotte.foust at gmail.com  Tue Jul 24 21:25:57 2012
From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2012 19:25:57 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Access 2013 -- MDB Back Ends Dead?
In-Reply-To: <8A9FB7561E9B45FDAD73C560F2100683@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <CAEPJO1hnrSMPmNRn-18gXH4qgbqNWToaCQTABHKgy_cub06PWw@mail.gmail.com>
	<500C3815.8090801@colbyconsulting.com>
	<000601cd683b$45276020$cf762060$@comcast.net>
	<E94D50EFBBD04E7EBFA81675EBF66F3F@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<001301cd6886$27ec33f0$77c49bd0$@comcast.net>
	<CAEPJO1gQux3PJ7s6sUPrp+nJnf=SzLiZN_-pSBJ0mQtZH-SCUg@mail.gmail.com>
	<500DF55C.6070403@colbyconsulting.com>
	<CAEPJO1iASZ00A7xQVKNU_aZzmYQ84oN8RzU0mPt_YFg=bLfn5A@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAH+Met93Rhi6xx8hAMQTL+ZKvnoREYApHKR=dGbEP0uQ-dicng@mail.gmail.com>
	<500EB08F.1020800@colbyconsulting.com>
	<8A9FB7561E9B45FDAD73C560F2100683@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <CAH+Met_yOXL8R_zHW8G7YM-i3DypR9hiAKZYv=YSk8KifnHFSg@mail.gmail.com>

Wait a minute!  Who said anything about giving away admin rights?  The
security HAS to be on the server.  But Access is capable of letting people
log into defined and limited roles.  We did that at my previous employer
all over the world and we had NO admin rights on their servers.  Believe
me, drilling contractors and operators operating on a global scale don't
allow playing around with their servers.

Charlotte

On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 9:55 AM, Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:

> Talking MS Access; the FE never had security and the MDB BE security was
> almost irrelevant. So that makes a real SQL BE to Access the only position
> of security.
>
> Users can not have the ability to administrate their own BE on a server as
> they will end up deleting more than they should or just basically screwing
> it up. If you are connected to a company like Amazon they couldn't care
> less
> unless you are paying them to do the administration and that same thought
> extends to any system.
>
> Real administration can not be automated and administrator rights can not
> be
> given away as we all know where that ends.
>
> Jim
>
>
>
>
>
>

From jimdettman at verizon.net  Wed Jul 25 06:47:31 2012
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2012 07:47:31 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Access 2013 -- MDB Back Ends Dead?
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1hnrSMPmNRn-18gXH4qgbqNWToaCQTABHKgy_cub06PWw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1hnrSMPmNRn-18gXH4qgbqNWToaCQTABHKgy_cub06PWw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9ED723E645454ED99EBAD6A4AC2B1138@XPS>



  Without seeing what he wrote, watch these quotes because chances are you
don't have the whole picture.

  MVP's that are on the beta are only allowed to speak about features that
are public and if on the program before that, are not even allowed to say if
their in the program or not.

  Finally, some developers are big on the web side of Access, which is a
different beast entirely, and post from that viewpoint.

  Just as in the past one needed to clearly state if you were working with
an MDB vs an ADP, once moving forward must clearly state if your working
with a web vs a standard DB. 

Jim.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2012 11:24 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Access 2013 -- MDB Back Ends Dead?

I just picked up this from the Google+ Access Gurus group, posted by Armen
Stein, one of the MVPs there:

"Speed is a whole different ballgame now. Since 2013 now uses SQL Server to
store the data, speed is much better, even over larger recordsets. Also,
aggregrate queries are supported again. Overall from what I've seen,
database size and speed are not concerns anymore."

Looks like my abandonment of the MDB format and serious investment in SQL
Server (both alone and as a BE for Access projects) is going to pay off
big-time.

-- 
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therefore something else can, for example religion.

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From accessd at shaw.ca  Wed Jul 25 07:43:11 2012
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2012 05:43:11 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Access 2013 -- MDB Back Ends Dead?
In-Reply-To: <CAH+Met_yOXL8R_zHW8G7YM-i3DypR9hiAKZYv=YSk8KifnHFSg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1hnrSMPmNRn-18gXH4qgbqNWToaCQTABHKgy_cub06PWw@mail.gmail.com><500C3815.8090801@colbyconsulting.com><000601cd683b$45276020$cf762060$@comcast.net><E94D50EFBBD04E7EBFA81675EBF66F3F@creativesystemdesigns.com><001301cd6886$27ec33f0$77c49bd0$@comcast.net><CAEPJO1gQux3PJ7s6sUPrp+nJnf=SzLiZN_-pSBJ0mQtZH-SCUg@mail.gmail.com><500DF55C.6070403@colbyconsulting.com><CAEPJO1iASZ00A7xQVKNU_aZzmYQ84oN8RzU0mPt_YFg=bLfn5A@mail.gmail.com><CAH+Met93Rhi6xx8hAMQTL+ZKvnoREYApHKR=dGbEP0uQ-dicng@mail.gmail.com><500EB08F.1020800@colbyconsulting.com><8A9FB7561E9B45FDAD73C560F2100683@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<CAH+Met_yOXL8R_zHW8G7YM-i3DypR9hiAKZYv=YSk8KifnHFSg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <F8BF0ECE2E2A46F88F8418AC561668C0@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Didn't I say that?

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2012 7:26 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access 2013 -- MDB Back Ends Dead?

Wait a minute!  Who said anything about giving away admin rights?  The
security HAS to be on the server.  But Access is capable of letting people
log into defined and limited roles.  We did that at my previous employer
all over the world and we had NO admin rights on their servers.  Believe
me, drilling contractors and operators operating on a global scale don't
allow playing around with their servers.

Charlotte

On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 9:55 AM, Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:

> Talking MS Access; the FE never had security and the MDB BE security was
> almost irrelevant. So that makes a real SQL BE to Access the only position
> of security.
>
> Users can not have the ability to administrate their own BE on a server as
> they will end up deleting more than they should or just basically screwing
> it up. If you are connected to a company like Amazon they couldn't care
> less
> unless you are paying them to do the administration and that same thought
> extends to any system.
>
> Real administration can not be automated and administrator rights can not
> be
> given away as we all know where that ends.
>
> Jim
>
>
>
>
>
>
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From dbdoug at gmail.com  Thu Jul 26 12:57:11 2012
From: dbdoug at gmail.com (Doug Steele)
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2012 10:57:11 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Page printing problem
Message-ID: <CAFa8NkhKrwGh4Hza10SpQfXez5q6CRv+=Rf5psxnPNv4dH3jkw@mail.gmail.com>

Hello All:

I need to force a report to always print an even number of pages - if
the page count is odd, print a blank page at the end.  I tried putting
a dummy report footer on a new page, and cancelling it if the page
count is even, but cancelling the footer still leaves a blank page
there.

Mr. Google doesn't have any information.  Any suggestions?

Thanks,
Doug

From BradM at blackforestltd.com  Thu Jul 26 13:33:14 2012
From: BradM at blackforestltd.com (Brad Marks)
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2012 13:33:14 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Change to a Different Excel WorkSheet via Access VBA Code
References: <92DAAB375AA44CDE9E6A5B2DB1813341@EDZ1><E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C50163B23F@blkltd.blkfst2003.local><D4AF0702927D43559315A7C81E05FB2A@EDZ1>
	<CAEPJO1j1T=OnuuGYzMqYBxEM3_O7CQ_uO9=NN2zuT=kDcZd5RA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C50163B246@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>

All,

I have an Access application that obtains data from an Excel file as a Linked Table.

There are two worksheets in the Excel file, Sheet1 and Sheet2.

Currently the Access Table Def is pointing at Sheet1.  

Is it possible to use VBA code to change the Table Def to point at Sheet2?

I have VBA code working to change the location of the entire Excel file.  This is working nicely.

I just can?t figure out how to change the Table Def to point at Sheet2 instead of Sheet1 within the Excel file.

Thanks,
Brad  

From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Thu Jul 26 14:01:34 2012
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (rockysmolin at bchacc.com)
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2012 12:01:34 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Change to a Different Excel WorkSheet via Access VBA
	Code
Message-ID: <20120726120134.86c3debdd1c3983866efe200e2feb95f.946930a262.wbe@email18.secureserver.net>

Brad:

Here's a snippet I use to cycle through a workbook with many worksheets:

' Cycle through worksheets - 1 sheet per assembly
    For intI = 1 To xlBook.Worksheets.Count
        Set xlSheet = xlBook.Sheets(intI)
        txtImportData = "Processing BOM Worksheet " & intI & " of " _
            & xlBook.Worksheets.Count & " - " & xlSheet.Name

where 

Dim xlApp As Excel.Application
Dim xlBook As Excel.Workbook
Dim xlsheet As Excel.Worksheet

So you could probably just Set xlSheet = xlBook.Sheets(1) or maybe (2) -
I don't know if it's zero based or one.

HTH

Rocky


-------- Original Message --------
Subject: [AccessD] Change to a Different Excel WorkSheet via Access VBA
Code
From: "Brad Marks" <BradM at blackforestltd.com>
Date: Thu, July 26, 2012 11:33 am
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>

All,

I have an Access application that obtains data from an Excel file as a
Linked Table.

There are two worksheets in the Excel file, Sheet1 and Sheet2.

Currently the Access Table Def is pointing at Sheet1. 

Is it possible to use VBA code to change the Table Def to point at
Sheet2?

I have VBA code working to change the location of the entire Excel file.
This is working nicely.

I just can?t figure out how to change the Table Def to point at Sheet2
instead of Sheet1 within the Excel file.

Thanks,
Brad 
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From jm.hwsn at gmail.com  Thu Jul 26 14:20:48 2012
From: jm.hwsn at gmail.com (Jim Hewson)
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2012 14:20:48 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Change to a Different Excel WorkSheet via Access VBA
	Code
In-Reply-To: <E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C50163B246@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
References: <92DAAB375AA44CDE9E6A5B2DB1813341@EDZ1>
	<E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C50163B23F@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
	<D4AF0702927D43559315A7C81E05FB2A@EDZ1>
	<CAEPJO1j1T=OnuuGYzMqYBxEM3_O7CQ_uO9=NN2zuT=kDcZd5RA@mail.gmail.com>
	<E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C50163B246@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
Message-ID: <CACbV_8PD2AEVwRwyAFAATmiDSU6moig=7h+r0-K9QhaZdKpWzw@mail.gmail.com>

Worksheets in Excel are referenced two ways:  by index or by sheet name

As far as I know when you link to an Excel file it will always connect to
Sheet1.

However, I think you can use creative programming to get what you want.

Open the Excel Workbook via code, move the "Sheet2" before "Sheet1"
     Sheets("Sheet2").Select
     Sheets(Sheet2".Move Before:=Sheets("Sheet1)
Close and save
Link to the Excel Workbook

If you need to, you could reverse the sheets back to where they were.

HTH
Jim


On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 1:33 PM, Brad Marks <BradM at blackforestltd.com>wrote:

> All,
>
> I have an Access application that obtains data from an Excel file as a
> Linked Table.
>
> There are two worksheets in the Excel file, Sheet1 and Sheet2.
>
> Currently the Access Table Def is pointing at Sheet1.
>
> Is it possible to use VBA code to change the Table Def to point at Sheet2?
>
> I have VBA code working to change the location of the entire Excel file.
>  This is working nicely.
>
> I just can?t figure out how to change the Table Def to point at Sheet2
> instead of Sheet1 within the Excel file.
>
> Thanks,
> Brad
>
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From marksimms at verizon.net  Thu Jul 26 19:29:55 2012
From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms)
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2012 20:29:55 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Change to a Different Excel WorkSheet via Access VBA
	Code
In-Reply-To: <E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C50163B246@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
References: <92DAAB375AA44CDE9E6A5B2DB1813341@EDZ1><E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C50163B23F@blkltd.blkfst2003.local><D4AF0702927D43559315A7C81E05FB2A@EDZ1>
	<CAEPJO1j1T=OnuuGYzMqYBxEM3_O7CQ_uO9=NN2zuT=kDcZd5RA@mail.gmail.com>
	<E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C50163B246@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
Message-ID: <024f01cd6b8e$f27b7e40$d7727ac0$@net>

Brad - this is a simple REPLACE operation in the Connection string.

Refresh the link after doing this.



From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au  Thu Jul 26 19:51:08 2012
From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins)
Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2012 00:51:08 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Change to a Different Excel WorkSheet via Access VBA
	Code
In-Reply-To: <E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C50163B246@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
References: <92DAAB375AA44CDE9E6A5B2DB1813341@EDZ1><E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C50163B23F@blkltd.blkfst2003.local><D4AF0702927D43559315A7C81E05FB2A@EDZ1>
	<CAEPJO1j1T=OnuuGYzMqYBxEM3_O7CQ_uO9=NN2zuT=kDcZd5RA@mail.gmail.com>
	<E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C50163B246@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
Message-ID: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B524FD13F2@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>

I always set the object, that way you can control what is going on....

Dim objExcelSheet As Excel.Worksheet
Dim objExcelWB As Excel.Workbook

Set objExcelApp = CreateObject("Excel.Application")
        objExcelApp.Visible = True ' or False if you don't want the user to see it happening.
        
        With objExcelApp
            .Workbooks.Open fileName:=strTargetPathAndName ' Full path and name as a variable here
            Set objExcelWB = objExcelApp.ActiveWorkbook ' Workbook opened is always the active workbook, although you could also use set here
	Set objExcelSheet = objExcelWB.Sheet2 ' Set the sheet

	Or

	Set objExcelSheet = objExcelWB.Worksheets("SheetNameHere")

	'Get Data
	strMyData = objExcelSheet.Range("B1").value

	' or Write Data
	objExcelSheet.Range("B1").value = strMyData

Blah blah blah
	

HTH
Darryl.


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brad Marks
Sent: Friday, 27 July 2012 4:33 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Change to a Different Excel WorkSheet via Access VBA Code

All,

I have an Access application that obtains data from an Excel file as a Linked Table.

There are two worksheets in the Excel file, Sheet1 and Sheet2.

Currently the Access Table Def is pointing at Sheet1.  

Is it possible to use VBA code to change the Table Def to point at Sheet2?

I have VBA code working to change the location of the entire Excel file.  This is working nicely.

I just can't figure out how to change the Table Def to point at Sheet2 instead of Sheet1 within the Excel file.

Thanks,
Brad  



From BradM at blackforestltd.com  Thu Jul 26 20:04:11 2012
From: BradM at blackforestltd.com (Brad Marks)
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2012 20:04:11 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Change to a Different Excel WorkSheet via Access
	VBACode
References: <92DAAB375AA44CDE9E6A5B2DB1813341@EDZ1><E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C50163B23F@blkltd.blkfst2003.local><D4AF0702927D43559315A7C81E05FB2A@EDZ1><CAEPJO1j1T=OnuuGYzMqYBxEM3_O7CQ_uO9=NN2zuT=kDcZd5RA@mail.gmail.com><E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C50163B246@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
	<56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B524FD13F2@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C50163B24A@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>

Rocky, Jim, Mark, Darryl,

Thanks for the assistance.  I don?t think that I explained what I am trying to do very well in my earlier post.

I have a test Access application that has a ?Linked Table? (an Excel file) named ExcelFile.

This Excel file has multiple WorkSheets - Sheet1, Sheet2. (Jan, Feb, Mar, Apr, etc. in the ?real? system)

When I established the Linked Table, I had to tell Access which work-sheet to point at.  I chose Sheet1.

Now, I would like to change this setting from Sheet1 to Sheet2 (Jan to Feb in the real system).

Below is some code that I have that changes the Table Def for the table named ?ExcelFile?.  This code works nicely for changing the name of the entire Excel File (Test1.xlsx to Test2.xlsx for example.)

What I would like to be able to do with such code is to change from Sheet1 to Sheet2 (within Test1.xlsx).

I have done quite a bit of digging and experimenting.  

Is this possible with a Linked Table?  If not, I may need to switch from a Linked Table to using a different approach for obtaining this data.

Thanks,
Brad    


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Sub Update_Table_Def()

Dim db As DAO.Database
Dim tdf As DAO.TableDef

Set db = CurrentDb()
Set tdf = db.TableDefs!ExcelFile

tdf.Connect = "Excel 12.0 Xml;HDR=NO;IMEX=2;ACCDB=YES;DATABASE=C:\Test1.xlsx"

tdf.RefreshLink

Set tdf = Nothing
Set db = Nothing

End Sub
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~






-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com on behalf of Darryl Collins
Sent: Thu 7/26/2012 7:51 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Change to a Different Excel WorkSheet via Access VBACode
 
I always set the object, that way you can control what is going on....

Dim objExcelSheet As Excel.Worksheet
Dim objExcelWB As Excel.Workbook

Set objExcelApp = CreateObject("Excel.Application")
        objExcelApp.Visible = True ' or False if you don't want the user to see it happening.
        
        With objExcelApp
            .Workbooks.Open fileName:=strTargetPathAndName ' Full path and name as a variable here
            Set objExcelWB = objExcelApp.ActiveWorkbook ' Workbook opened is always the active workbook, although you could also use set here
	Set objExcelSheet = objExcelWB.Sheet2 ' Set the sheet

	Or

	Set objExcelSheet = objExcelWB.Worksheets("SheetNameHere")

	'Get Data
	strMyData = objExcelSheet.Range("B1").value

	' or Write Data
	objExcelSheet.Range("B1").value = strMyData

Blah blah blah
	

HTH
Darryl.


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brad Marks
Sent: Friday, 27 July 2012 4:33 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Change to a Different Excel WorkSheet via Access VBA Code

All,

I have an Access application that obtains data from an Excel file as a Linked Table.

There are two worksheets in the Excel file, Sheet1 and Sheet2.

Currently the Access Table Def is pointing at Sheet1.  

Is it possible to use VBA code to change the Table Def to point at Sheet2?

I have VBA code working to change the location of the entire Excel file.  This is working nicely.

I just can't figure out how to change the Table Def to point at Sheet2 instead of Sheet1 within the Excel file.

Thanks,
Brad  


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From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au  Thu Jul 26 20:56:41 2012
From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins)
Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2012 01:56:41 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Change to a Different Excel WorkSheet via
	Access	VBACode
In-Reply-To: <E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C50163B24A@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
References: <92DAAB375AA44CDE9E6A5B2DB1813341@EDZ1><E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C50163B23F@blkltd.blkfst2003.local><D4AF0702927D43559315A7C81E05FB2A@EDZ1><CAEPJO1j1T=OnuuGYzMqYBxEM3_O7CQ_uO9=NN2zuT=kDcZd5RA@mail.gmail.com><E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C50163B246@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
	<56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B524FD13F2@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
	<E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C50163B24A@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
Message-ID: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B524FD14BD@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>

Hi Brad

Try this

tdf.Connect = "[Excel 12.0 Xml;HDR=NO;IMEX=2;ACCDB=YES;DATABASE=C:\Test1.xlsx].[Feb]"

to choose a sheet other than 1.  I would try it with named ranges too, they should work as well.

Cheers
Darryl.




-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brad Marks
Sent: Friday, 27 July 2012 11:04 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Change to a Different Excel WorkSheet via Access VBACode

Rocky, Jim, Mark, Darryl,

Thanks for the assistance.  I don't think that I explained what I am trying to do very well in my earlier post.

I have a test Access application that has a "Linked Table" (an Excel file) named ExcelFile.

This Excel file has multiple WorkSheets - Sheet1, Sheet2. (Jan, Feb, Mar, Apr, etc. in the "real" system)

When I established the Linked Table, I had to tell Access which work-sheet to point at.  I chose Sheet1.

Now, I would like to change this setting from Sheet1 to Sheet2 (Jan to Feb in the real system).

Below is some code that I have that changes the Table Def for the table named "ExcelFile".  This code works nicely for changing the name of the entire Excel File (Test1.xlsx to Test2.xlsx for example.)

What I would like to be able to do with such code is to change from Sheet1 to Sheet2 (within Test1.xlsx).

I have done quite a bit of digging and experimenting.  

Is this possible with a Linked Table?  If not, I may need to switch from a Linked Table to using a different approach for obtaining this data.

Thanks,
Brad    


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Sub Update_Table_Def()

Dim db As DAO.Database
Dim tdf As DAO.TableDef

Set db = CurrentDb()
Set tdf = db.TableDefs!ExcelFile

tdf.Connect = "Excel 12.0 Xml;HDR=NO;IMEX=2;ACCDB=YES;DATABASE=C:\Test1.xlsx"

tdf.RefreshLink

Set tdf = Nothing
Set db = Nothing

End Sub
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~






-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com on behalf of Darryl Collins
Sent: Thu 7/26/2012 7:51 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Change to a Different Excel WorkSheet via Access VBACode
 
I always set the object, that way you can control what is going on....

Dim objExcelSheet As Excel.Worksheet
Dim objExcelWB As Excel.Workbook

Set objExcelApp = CreateObject("Excel.Application")
        objExcelApp.Visible = True ' or False if you don't want the user to see it happening.
        
        With objExcelApp
            .Workbooks.Open fileName:=strTargetPathAndName ' Full path and name as a variable here
            Set objExcelWB = objExcelApp.ActiveWorkbook ' Workbook opened is always the active workbook, although you could also use set here
	Set objExcelSheet = objExcelWB.Sheet2 ' Set the sheet

	Or

	Set objExcelSheet = objExcelWB.Worksheets("SheetNameHere")

	'Get Data
	strMyData = objExcelSheet.Range("B1").value

	' or Write Data
	objExcelSheet.Range("B1").value = strMyData

Blah blah blah
	

HTH
Darryl.


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Sent: Friday, 27 July 2012 4:33 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Change to a Different Excel WorkSheet via Access VBA Code

All,

I have an Access application that obtains data from an Excel file as a Linked Table.

There are two worksheets in the Excel file, Sheet1 and Sheet2.

Currently the Access Table Def is pointing at Sheet1.  

Is it possible to use VBA code to change the Table Def to point at Sheet2?

I have VBA code working to change the location of the entire Excel file.  This is working nicely.

I just can't figure out how to change the Table Def to point at Sheet2 instead of Sheet1 within the Excel file.

Thanks,
Brad  


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From charlotte.foust at gmail.com  Thu Jul 26 21:07:54 2012
From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2012 19:07:54 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Change to a Different Excel WorkSheet via Access
	VBACode
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Named ranges are the easiest way to attach to an excel file.  It can be on
a separate worksheet or the same one.  I'm dealing with a data download
that will come in every month or two in an excel worksheet that has all the
earmarks of summer intern creation.  There are spacer columns between the
data columns and there may be 15000 rows in the thing, so I created a macro
I can run on it that pops formulas into a contiguous range of cells to
reference the data from the "formatted" columns, then names the range the
continguous range so it can be attached for comparison to existing records.

Charlotte
On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 6:56 PM, Darryl Collins <
darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au> wrote:

> Hi Brad
>
> Try this
>
> tdf.Connect = "[Excel 12.0
> Xml;HDR=NO;IMEX=2;ACCDB=YES;DATABASE=C:\Test1.xlsx].[Feb]"
>
> to choose a sheet other than 1.  I would try it with named ranges too,
> they should work as well.
>
> Cheers
> Darryl.
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:
> accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brad Marks
> Sent: Friday, 27 July 2012 11:04 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Change to a Different Excel WorkSheet via Access
> VBACode
>
> Rocky, Jim, Mark, Darryl,
>
> Thanks for the assistance.  I don't think that I explained what I am
> trying to do very well in my earlier post.
>
> I have a test Access application that has a "Linked Table" (an Excel file)
> named ExcelFile.
>
> This Excel file has multiple WorkSheets - Sheet1, Sheet2. (Jan, Feb, Mar,
> Apr, etc. in the "real" system)
>
> When I established the Linked Table, I had to tell Access which work-sheet
> to point at.  I chose Sheet1.
>
> Now, I would like to change this setting from Sheet1 to Sheet2 (Jan to Feb
> in the real system).
>
> Below is some code that I have that changes the Table Def for the table
> named "ExcelFile".  This code works nicely for changing the name of the
> entire Excel File (Test1.xlsx to Test2.xlsx for example.)
>
> What I would like to be able to do with such code is to change from Sheet1
> to Sheet2 (within Test1.xlsx).
>
> I have done quite a bit of digging and experimenting.
>
> Is this possible with a Linked Table?  If not, I may need to switch from a
> Linked Table to using a different approach for obtaining this data.
>
> Thanks,
> Brad
>
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
> Sub Update_Table_Def()
>
> Dim db As DAO.Database
> Dim tdf As DAO.TableDef
>
> Set db = CurrentDb()
> Set tdf = db.TableDefs!ExcelFile
>
> tdf.Connect = "Excel 12.0
> Xml;HDR=NO;IMEX=2;ACCDB=YES;DATABASE=C:\Test1.xlsx"
>
> tdf.RefreshLink
>
> Set tdf = Nothing
> Set db = Nothing
>
> End Sub
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com on behalf of Darryl Collins
> Sent: Thu 7/26/2012 7:51 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Change to a Different Excel WorkSheet via Access
> VBACode
>
> I always set the object, that way you can control what is going on....
>
> Dim objExcelSheet As Excel.Worksheet
> Dim objExcelWB As Excel.Workbook
>
> Set objExcelApp = CreateObject("Excel.Application")
>         objExcelApp.Visible = True ' or False if you don't want the user
> to see it happening.
>
>         With objExcelApp
>             .Workbooks.Open fileName:=strTargetPathAndName ' Full path and
> name as a variable here
>             Set objExcelWB = objExcelApp.ActiveWorkbook ' Workbook opened
> is always the active workbook, although you could also use set here
>         Set objExcelSheet = objExcelWB.Sheet2 ' Set the sheet
>
>         Or
>
>         Set objExcelSheet = objExcelWB.Worksheets("SheetNameHere")
>
>         'Get Data
>         strMyData = objExcelSheet.Range("B1").value
>
>         ' or Write Data
>         objExcelSheet.Range("B1").value = strMyData
>
> Blah blah blah
>
>
> HTH
> Darryl.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:
> accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brad Marks
> Sent: Friday, 27 July 2012 4:33 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] Change to a Different Excel WorkSheet via Access VBA
> Code
>
> All,
>
> I have an Access application that obtains data from an Excel file as a
> Linked Table.
>
> There are two worksheets in the Excel file, Sheet1 and Sheet2.
>
> Currently the Access Table Def is pointing at Sheet1.
>
> Is it possible to use VBA code to change the Table Def to point at Sheet2?
>
> I have VBA code working to change the location of the entire Excel file.
>  This is working nicely.
>
> I just can't figure out how to change the Table Def to point at Sheet2
> instead of Sheet1 within the Excel file.
>
> Thanks,
> Brad
>
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From adtp at airtelmail.in  Thu Jul 26 22:51:54 2012
From: adtp at airtelmail.in (A.D. Tejpal)
Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2012 09:21:54 +0530
Subject: [AccessD] Page printing problem
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Doug,

    You could try the following code in report footer's format event:

' Code in report's module:
'=============================
Private Sub ReportFooter_Format( _
                            Cancel As Integer,  _
                            FormatCount As Integer)
    If Me.Page Mod 2 > 0 Then
        Me.ReportFooter.ForceNewPage = 1
    Else
        Me.ReportFooter.ForceNewPage = 0
    End If
End Sub
'=============================

Best wishes,
A.D. Tejpal
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  From: Doug Steele 
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving 
  Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2012 23:27
  Subject: [AccessD] Page printing problem


  Hello All:

  I need to force a report to always print an even number of pages - if
  the page count is odd, print a blank page at the end.  I tried putting
  a dummy report footer on a new page, and cancelling it if the page
  count is even, but cancelling the footer still leaves a blank page
  there.

  Mr. Google doesn't have any information.  Any suggestions?

  Thanks,
  Doug

From gustav at cactus.dk  Fri Jul 27 04:38:59 2012
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2012 11:38:59 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Change to a Different Excel WorkSheet via
	Access	VBACode
Message-ID: <s0127de6.053@cactus.dk>

Hi Brad

What confuses you is that an Excel file is not a table but a database. Further, as you are not referencing a Named Range (as noted by Charlotte and my favourite feature of Excel to recomend) but a WorkSheet, the table name is the WorkSheet name postfixed a $-sign. 

Thus the example goes:

<code>
Public Sub AttachExcel()

    Dim dbs         As DAO.Database
    Dim tdfLinked   As DAO.TableDef
    Dim strConnect  As String
    Dim strTblName  As String
     
    Set dbs = CurrentDb
    strConnect = "Excel 8.0;DATABASE=" & "d:\folder\file.xls"
    strTblName = "SomeSheetName$"
         
    Set tdfLinked = dbs.CreateTableDef("xlsSomeSheetName")
    tdfLinked.Connect = strConnect
    tdfLinked.SourceTableName = strTblName
    dbs.TableDefs.Append tdfLinked

End Sub
</code>

/gustav


>>> BradM at blackforestltd.com 27-07-12 3:04 >>>
Rocky, Jim, Mark, Darryl,

Thanks for the assistance.  I don't think that I explained what I am trying to do very well in my earlier post.

I have a test Access application that has a "Linked Table" (an Excel file) named ExcelFile.

This Excel file has multiple WorkSheets - Sheet1, Sheet2. (Jan, Feb, Mar, Apr, etc. in the "real" system)

When I established the Linked Table, I had to tell Access which work-sheet to point at.  I chose Sheet1.

Now, I would like to change this setting from Sheet1 to Sheet2 (Jan to Feb in the real system).

Below is some code that I have that changes the Table Def for the table named "ExcelFile".  This code works nicely for changing the name of the entire Excel File (Test1.xlsx to Test2.xlsx for example.)

What I would like to be able to do with such code is to change from Sheet1 to Sheet2 (within Test1.xlsx).

I have done quite a bit of digging and experimenting.  

Is this possible with a Linked Table?  If not, I may need to switch from a Linked Table to using a different approach for obtaining this data.

Thanks,
Brad    


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Sub Update_Table_Def()

Dim db As DAO.Database
Dim tdf As DAO.TableDef

Set db = CurrentDb()
Set tdf = db.TableDefs!ExcelFile

tdf.Connect = "Excel 12.0 Xml;HDR=NO;IMEX=2;ACCDB=YES;DATABASE=C:\Test1.xlsx"

tdf.RefreshLink

Set tdf = Nothing
Set db = Nothing

End Sub
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~



From BradM at blackforestltd.com  Fri Jul 27 09:33:57 2012
From: BradM at blackforestltd.com (Brad Marks)
Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2012 09:33:57 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Change to a Different Excel WorkSheet via Access VBA
	Code
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Gustav,

Thanks for your assistance.

With the sample code that you shared, I now have a method to change the Excel ?Sheet? from Sheet1 to Sheet2 to Sheet3, etc.

This method currently deletes the Linked Table with the old sheet name and then re-adds the Linked Table with the new sheet name.

This works, but I have some concern about using a Delete and Re-add over and over again.

Is there a way to simply change the Sheet name without needing to Delete and Re-add the Linked Table?

Thanks,
Brad 



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com on behalf of Gustav Brock
Sent: Fri 7/27/2012 4:38 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Change to a Different Excel WorkSheet viaAccess	VBACode
 
Hi Brad

What confuses you is that an Excel file is not a table but a database. Further, as you are not referencing a Named Range (as noted by Charlotte and my favourite feature of Excel to recomend) but a WorkSheet, the table name is the WorkSheet name postfixed a $-sign. 

Thus the example goes:

<code>
Public Sub AttachExcel()

    Dim dbs         As DAO.Database
    Dim tdfLinked   As DAO.TableDef
    Dim strConnect  As String
    Dim strTblName  As String
     
    Set dbs = CurrentDb
    strConnect = "Excel 8.0;DATABASE=" & "d:\folder\file.xls"
    strTblName = "SomeSheetName$"
         
    Set tdfLinked = dbs.CreateTableDef("xlsSomeSheetName")
    tdfLinked.Connect = strConnect
    tdfLinked.SourceTableName = strTblName
    dbs.TableDefs.Append tdfLinked

End Sub
</code>

/gustav


>>> BradM at blackforestltd.com 27-07-12 3:04 >>>
Rocky, Jim, Mark, Darryl,

Thanks for the assistance.  I don't think that I explained what I am trying to do very well in my earlier post.

I have a test Access application that has a "Linked Table" (an Excel file) named ExcelFile.

This Excel file has multiple WorkSheets - Sheet1, Sheet2. (Jan, Feb, Mar, Apr, etc. in the "real" system)

When I established the Linked Table, I had to tell Access which work-sheet to point at.  I chose Sheet1.

Now, I would like to change this setting from Sheet1 to Sheet2 (Jan to Feb in the real system).

Below is some code that I have that changes the Table Def for the table named "ExcelFile".  This code works nicely for changing the name of the entire Excel File (Test1.xlsx to Test2.xlsx for example.)

What I would like to be able to do with such code is to change from Sheet1 to Sheet2 (within Test1.xlsx).

I have done quite a bit of digging and experimenting.  

Is this possible with a Linked Table?  If not, I may need to switch from a Linked Table to using a different approach for obtaining this data.

Thanks,
Brad    


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Sub Update_Table_Def()

Dim db As DAO.Database
Dim tdf As DAO.TableDef

Set db = CurrentDb()
Set tdf = db.TableDefs!ExcelFile

tdf.Connect = "Excel 12.0 Xml;HDR=NO;IMEX=2;ACCDB=YES;DATABASE=C:\Test1.xlsx"

tdf.RefreshLink

Set tdf = Nothing
Set db = Nothing

End Sub
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


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From charlotte.foust at gmail.com  Fri Jul 27 09:40:11 2012
From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2012 07:40:11 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Change to a Different Excel WorkSheet via Access VBA
	Code
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Access isn't that flexible.  Links are kind of a special situation where
you have to replace a link, you can't just edit it.

Charlotte

On Fri, Jul 27, 2012 at 7:33 AM, Brad Marks <BradM at blackforestltd.com>wrote:

> Gustav,
>
> Thanks for your assistance.
>
> With the sample code that you shared, I now have a method to change the
> Excel ?Sheet? from Sheet1 to Sheet2 to Sheet3, etc.
>
> This method currently deletes the Linked Table with the old sheet name and
> then re-adds the Linked Table with the new sheet name.
>
> This works, but I have some concern about using a Delete and Re-add over
> and over again.
>
> Is there a way to simply change the Sheet name without needing to Delete
> and Re-add the Linked Table?
>
> Thanks,
> Brad
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com on behalf of Gustav Brock
> Sent: Fri 7/27/2012 4:38 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Change to a Different Excel WorkSheet viaAccess
>  VBACode
>
> Hi Brad
>
> What confuses you is that an Excel file is not a table but a database.
> Further, as you are not referencing a Named Range (as noted by Charlotte
> and my favourite feature of Excel to recomend) but a WorkSheet, the table
> name is the WorkSheet name postfixed a $-sign.
>
> Thus the example goes:
>
> <code>
> Public Sub AttachExcel()
>
>     Dim dbs         As DAO.Database
>     Dim tdfLinked   As DAO.TableDef
>     Dim strConnect  As String
>     Dim strTblName  As String
>
>     Set dbs = CurrentDb
>     strConnect = "Excel 8.0;DATABASE=" & "d:\folder\file.xls"
>     strTblName = "SomeSheetName$"
>
>     Set tdfLinked = dbs.CreateTableDef("xlsSomeSheetName")
>     tdfLinked.Connect = strConnect
>     tdfLinked.SourceTableName = strTblName
>     dbs.TableDefs.Append tdfLinked
>
> End Sub
> </code>
>
> /gustav
>
>
> >>> BradM at blackforestltd.com 27-07-12 3:04 >>>
> Rocky, Jim, Mark, Darryl,
>
> Thanks for the assistance.  I don't think that I explained what I am
> trying to do very well in my earlier post.
>
> I have a test Access application that has a "Linked Table" (an Excel file)
> named ExcelFile.
>
> This Excel file has multiple WorkSheets - Sheet1, Sheet2. (Jan, Feb, Mar,
> Apr, etc. in the "real" system)
>
> When I established the Linked Table, I had to tell Access which work-sheet
> to point at.  I chose Sheet1.
>
> Now, I would like to change this setting from Sheet1 to Sheet2 (Jan to Feb
> in the real system).
>
> Below is some code that I have that changes the Table Def for the table
> named "ExcelFile".  This code works nicely for changing the name of the
> entire Excel File (Test1.xlsx to Test2.xlsx for example.)
>
> What I would like to be able to do with such code is to change from Sheet1
> to Sheet2 (within Test1.xlsx).
>
> I have done quite a bit of digging and experimenting.
>
> Is this possible with a Linked Table?  If not, I may need to switch from a
> Linked Table to using a different approach for obtaining this data.
>
> Thanks,
> Brad
>
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
> Sub Update_Table_Def()
>
> Dim db As DAO.Database
> Dim tdf As DAO.TableDef
>
> Set db = CurrentDb()
> Set tdf = db.TableDefs!ExcelFile
>
> tdf.Connect = "Excel 12.0
> Xml;HDR=NO;IMEX=2;ACCDB=YES;DATABASE=C:\Test1.xlsx"
>
> tdf.RefreshLink
>
> Set tdf = Nothing
> Set db = Nothing
>
> End Sub
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Fri Jul 27 10:00:59 2012
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2012 17:00:59 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Change to a Different Excel WorkSheet via Access	VBA
	Code
Message-ID: <s012c961.068@cactus.dk>

Hi Brad

No, it will not delete a link. If a linked table with that name already exists, an error will be raised.

To adjust the link information of an existing linked table, use the RefreshLink method:

    tdfLinked.Connect = strNewConnect
    tdfLinked.RefreshLink

/gustav


>>> BradM at blackforestltd.com 27-07-12 16:33 >>>
Gustav,

Thanks for your assistance.

With the sample code that you shared, I now have a method to change the Excel "Sheet" from Sheet1 to Sheet2 to Sheet3, etc.

This method currently deletes the Linked Table with the old sheet name and then re-adds the Linked Table with the new sheet name.

This works, but I have some concern about using a Delete and Re-add over and over again.

Is there a way to simply change the Sheet name without needing to Delete and Re-add the Linked Table?

Thanks,
Brad 



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com on behalf of Gustav Brock
Sent: Fri 7/27/2012 4:38 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Change to a Different Excel WorkSheet viaAccess	VBACode
 
Hi Brad

What confuses you is that an Excel file is not a table but a database. Further, as you are not referencing a Named Range (as noted by Charlotte and my favourite feature of Excel to recomend) but a WorkSheet, the table name is the WorkSheet name postfixed a $-sign. 

Thus the example goes:

<code>
Public Sub AttachExcel()

    Dim dbs         As DAO.Database
    Dim tdfLinked   As DAO.TableDef
    Dim strConnect  As String
    Dim strTblName  As String
     
    Set dbs = CurrentDb
    strConnect = "Excel 8.0;DATABASE=" & "d:\folder\file.xls"
    strTblName = "SomeSheetName$"
         
    Set tdfLinked = dbs.CreateTableDef("xlsSomeSheetName")
    tdfLinked.Connect = strConnect
    tdfLinked.SourceTableName = strTblName
    dbs.TableDefs.Append tdfLinked

End Sub
</code>

/gustav


>>> BradM at blackforestltd.com 27-07-12 3:04 >>>
Rocky, Jim, Mark, Darryl,

Thanks for the assistance.  I don't think that I explained what I am trying to do very well in my earlier post.

I have a test Access application that has a "Linked Table" (an Excel file) named ExcelFile.

This Excel file has multiple WorkSheets - Sheet1, Sheet2. (Jan, Feb, Mar, Apr, etc. in the "real" system)

When I established the Linked Table, I had to tell Access which work-sheet to point at.  I chose Sheet1.

Now, I would like to change this setting from Sheet1 to Sheet2 (Jan to Feb in the real system).

Below is some code that I have that changes the Table Def for the table named "ExcelFile".  This code works nicely for changing the name of the entire Excel File (Test1.xlsx to Test2.xlsx for example.)

What I would like to be able to do with such code is to change from Sheet1 to Sheet2 (within Test1.xlsx).

I have done quite a bit of digging and experimenting.  

Is this possible with a Linked Table?  If not, I may need to switch from a Linked Table to using a different approach for obtaining this data.

Thanks,
Brad    


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Sub Update_Table_Def()

Dim db As DAO.Database
Dim tdf As DAO.TableDef

Set db = CurrentDb()
Set tdf = db.TableDefs!ExcelFile

tdf.Connect = "Excel 12.0 Xml;HDR=NO;IMEX=2;ACCDB=YES;DATABASE=C:\Test1.xlsx"

tdf.RefreshLink

Set tdf = Nothing
Set db = Nothing

End Sub
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~



From BradM at blackforestltd.com  Fri Jul 27 09:54:24 2012
From: BradM at blackforestltd.com (Brad Marks)
Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2012 09:54:24 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Change to a Different Excel WorkSheet via Access
	VBACode
References: <s0127de6.053@cactus.dk><E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C50163B24D@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
	<CAH+Met8pB5MggY_D-8JH=J-c5X4n-Lp6VH8idBryiVaJSBooZQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C50163B24F@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>

Charlotte,

Thanks for your insights into Access Links.

I do not have the experience with Access that you and the others here on AccessD have.

When I first started working with Access, I believe that I read something about the dangers of deleting and re-adding tables.  I can't remember the details but I have been a bit concerned about this approach.

Maybe there is nothing to worry about when doing this.

Thanks again,
Brad  


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com on behalf of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Fri 7/27/2012 9:40 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Change to a Different Excel WorkSheet via Access VBACode
 
Access isn't that flexible.  Links are kind of a special situation where
you have to replace a link, you can't just edit it.

Charlotte

On Fri, Jul 27, 2012 at 7:33 AM, Brad Marks <BradM at blackforestltd.com>wrote:

> Gustav,
>
> Thanks for your assistance.
>
> With the sample code that you shared, I now have a method to change the
> Excel "Sheet" from Sheet1 to Sheet2 to Sheet3, etc.
>
> This method currently deletes the Linked Table with the old sheet name and
> then re-adds the Linked Table with the new sheet name.
>
> This works, but I have some concern about using a Delete and Re-add over
> and over again.
>
> Is there a way to simply change the Sheet name without needing to Delete
> and Re-add the Linked Table?
>
> Thanks,
> Brad
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com on behalf of Gustav Brock
> Sent: Fri 7/27/2012 4:38 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Change to a Different Excel WorkSheet viaAccess
>  VBACode
>
> Hi Brad
>
> What confuses you is that an Excel file is not a table but a database.
> Further, as you are not referencing a Named Range (as noted by Charlotte
> and my favourite feature of Excel to recomend) but a WorkSheet, the table
> name is the WorkSheet name postfixed a $-sign.
>
> Thus the example goes:
>
> <code>
> Public Sub AttachExcel()
>
>     Dim dbs         As DAO.Database
>     Dim tdfLinked   As DAO.TableDef
>     Dim strConnect  As String
>     Dim strTblName  As String
>
>     Set dbs = CurrentDb
>     strConnect = "Excel 8.0;DATABASE=" & "d:\folder\file.xls"
>     strTblName = "SomeSheetName$"
>
>     Set tdfLinked = dbs.CreateTableDef("xlsSomeSheetName")
>     tdfLinked.Connect = strConnect
>     tdfLinked.SourceTableName = strTblName
>     dbs.TableDefs.Append tdfLinked
>
> End Sub
> </code>
>
> /gustav
>
>
> >>> BradM at blackforestltd.com 27-07-12 3:04 >>>
> Rocky, Jim, Mark, Darryl,
>
> Thanks for the assistance.  I don't think that I explained what I am
> trying to do very well in my earlier post.
>
> I have a test Access application that has a "Linked Table" (an Excel file)
> named ExcelFile.
>
> This Excel file has multiple WorkSheets - Sheet1, Sheet2. (Jan, Feb, Mar,
> Apr, etc. in the "real" system)
>
> When I established the Linked Table, I had to tell Access which work-sheet
> to point at.  I chose Sheet1.
>
> Now, I would like to change this setting from Sheet1 to Sheet2 (Jan to Feb
> in the real system).
>
> Below is some code that I have that changes the Table Def for the table
> named "ExcelFile".  This code works nicely for changing the name of the
> entire Excel File (Test1.xlsx to Test2.xlsx for example.)
>
> What I would like to be able to do with such code is to change from Sheet1
> to Sheet2 (within Test1.xlsx).
>
> I have done quite a bit of digging and experimenting.
>
> Is this possible with a Linked Table?  If not, I may need to switch from a
> Linked Table to using a different approach for obtaining this data.
>
> Thanks,
> Brad
>
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
> Sub Update_Table_Def()
>
> Dim db As DAO.Database
> Dim tdf As DAO.TableDef
>
> Set db = CurrentDb()
> Set tdf = db.TableDefs!ExcelFile
>
> tdf.Connect = "Excel 12.0
> Xml;HDR=NO;IMEX=2;ACCDB=YES;DATABASE=C:\Test1.xlsx"
>
> tdf.RefreshLink
>
> Set tdf = Nothing
> Set db = Nothing
>
> End Sub
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
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From steve at goodhall.info  Fri Jul 27 10:06:42 2012
From: steve at goodhall.info (Steve Goodhall)
Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2012 11:06:42 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Change to a Different Excel WorkSheet via Access VBA
	Code
In-Reply-To: <E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C50163B246@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
References: <92DAAB375AA44CDE9E6A5B2DB1813341@EDZ1><E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C50163B23F@blkltd.blkfst2003.local><D4AF0702927D43559315A7C81E05FB2A@EDZ1>	<CAEPJO1j1T=OnuuGYzMqYBxEM3_O7CQ_uO9=NN2zuT=kDcZd5RA@mail.gmail.com>
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I haven't been tracking this too closely so I may be duplicating what was  
already said.  I would probably do this by using ODBC to define a data  
source.  I think there is sample code on my web site. 

Steve Goodhall, MSCS, PMP

-----Original message-----
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To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving  
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thu, Jul 26, 2012 18:37:15 GMT+00:00
Subject: [AccessD] Change to a Different Excel WorkSheet via Access VBA Code



From dbdoug at gmail.com  Fri Jul 27 11:27:31 2012
From: dbdoug at gmail.com (Doug Steele)
Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2012 09:27:31 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Page printing problem
In-Reply-To: <08629F811B044A1883B5C0146B0F16DE@personal4a8ede>
References: <CAFa8NkhKrwGh4Hza10SpQfXez5q6CRv+=Rf5psxnPNv4dH3jkw@mail.gmail.com>
	<08629F811B044A1883B5C0146B0F16DE@personal4a8ede>
Message-ID: <CAFa8NkiXm2ua-op0E5Ry0tB3mU77Hfk4L+HPM780acao16Memw@mail.gmail.com>

That did it.  Thank you!

On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 8:51 PM, A.D. Tejpal <adtp at airtelmail.in> wrote:
>     If Me.Page Mod 2 > 0 Then
>         Me.ReportFooter.ForceNewPage = 1
>     Else
>         Me.ReportFooter.ForceNewPage = 0
>     End If

From BradM at blackforestltd.com  Fri Jul 27 11:51:56 2012
From: BradM at blackforestltd.com (Brad Marks)
Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2012 11:51:56 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Testing Software for Access 2003
References: <92DAAB375AA44CDE9E6A5B2DB1813341@EDZ1><E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C50163B23F@blkltd.blkfst2003.local><D4AF0702927D43559315A7C81E05FB2A@EDZ1>
	<CAEPJO1j1T=OnuuGYzMqYBxEM3_O7CQ_uO9=NN2zuT=kDcZd5RA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C50163B254@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>

Ed and Arthur,

Feel free to e-mail if you have any questions.

I have found AutoHotKey to be very useful for a wide variety of tasks (and it is free).

I call it my "Swiss Army Knife Software". 

Brad


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Sent: Tue 7/24/2012 3:32 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Testing Software for Access 2003
 
Thanks, Brad. I just downloaded AutoHotKey and am reading the help file.
Looks really useful!
Arthur
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From marksimms at verizon.net  Fri Jul 27 12:47:13 2012
From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms)
Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2012 13:47:13 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Change to a Different Excel WorkSheet via
	Access	VBACode
In-Reply-To: <E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C50163B24F@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
References: <s0127de6.053@cactus.dk><E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C50163B24D@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
	<CAH+Met8pB5MggY_D-8JH=J-c5X4n-Lp6VH8idBryiVaJSBooZQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C50163B24F@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
Message-ID: <030d01cd6c1f$db5529f0$91ff7dd0$@net>

Charlotte is right. Excel links must be removed and re-inserted.
It can all be scripted and I have done it with no side-effects.



From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Jul 27 13:19:14 2012
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2012 14:19:14 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Makes me want to move
Message-ID: <5012DBA2.4000100@colbyconsulting.com>

Google Fiber includes more than 100 networks and costs $120 a month for a package of TV, 1 gigabyte 
per second Internet speeds and 1 terabyte of cloud storage.

From

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/48344993/ns/technology_and_science-tech_and_gadgets/t/google-unveils-ultrafast-internettv-kansas-city/#.UBLavaO8eUk


With a tb of cloud storage and and gigabit connection speed, suddenly cloud backup actually works.

Of course you have to live in Kansas City... ;)

-- 
John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it


From dbdoug at gmail.com  Fri Jul 27 14:06:18 2012
From: dbdoug at gmail.com (Doug Steele)
Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2012 12:06:18 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Makes me want to move
In-Reply-To: <5012DBA2.4000100@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <5012DBA2.4000100@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <CAFa8NkheHfoJFpKq9FALgq7-FRcQ+0zVhG7R9NkJy3JnTLjW9g@mail.gmail.com>

(Insert Wizard of Oz joke here)

Doug

On Fri, Jul 27, 2012 at 11:19 AM, jwcolby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
> Google Fiber includes more than 100 networks and costs $120 a month for a
> package of TV, 1 gigabyte per second Internet speeds and 1 terabyte of cloud
> storage.
>
> From
>
> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/48344993/ns/technology_and_science-tech_and_gadgets/t/google-unveils-ultrafast-internettv-kansas-city/#.UBLavaO8eUk
>
>
> With a tb of cloud storage and and gigabit connection speed, suddenly cloud
> backup actually works.
>
> Of course you have to live in Kansas City... ;)
>
> --
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>
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From charlotte.foust at gmail.com  Fri Jul 27 21:34:44 2012
From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2012 19:34:44 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Change to a Different Excel WorkSheet via Access
	VBACode
In-Reply-To: <E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C50163B24F@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
References: <s0127de6.053@cactus.dk>
	<E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C50163B24D@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
	<CAH+Met8pB5MggY_D-8JH=J-c5X4n-Lp6VH8idBryiVaJSBooZQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C50163B24F@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
Message-ID: <CAH+Met9P=F3AuW2FG-XcfnJJY=wXMSQn42k9diGS521BmomDtg@mail.gmail.com>

Brad,

You're confusing links with local tables.  Deleting and adding local tables
causes bloat, as does running queries, and a bunch of other actions
required along the way.

Charlotte

On Fri, Jul 27, 2012 at 7:54 AM, Brad Marks <BradM at blackforestltd.com>wrote:

> Charlotte,
>
> Thanks for your insights into Access Links.
>
> I do not have the experience with Access that you and the others here on
> AccessD have.
>
> When I first started working with Access, I believe that I read something
> about the dangers of deleting and re-adding tables.  I can't remember the
> details but I have been a bit concerned about this approach.
>
> Maybe there is nothing to worry about when doing this.
>
> Thanks again,
> Brad
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com on behalf of Charlotte Foust
> Sent: Fri 7/27/2012 9:40 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Change to a Different Excel WorkSheet via Access
> VBACode
>
> Access isn't that flexible.  Links are kind of a special situation where
> you have to replace a link, you can't just edit it.
>
> Charlotte
>
> On Fri, Jul 27, 2012 at 7:33 AM, Brad Marks <BradM at blackforestltd.com
> >wrote:
>
> > Gustav,
> >
> > Thanks for your assistance.
> >
> > With the sample code that you shared, I now have a method to change the
> > Excel "Sheet" from Sheet1 to Sheet2 to Sheet3, etc.
> >
> > This method currently deletes the Linked Table with the old sheet name
> and
> > then re-adds the Linked Table with the new sheet name.
> >
> > This works, but I have some concern about using a Delete and Re-add over
> > and over again.
> >
> > Is there a way to simply change the Sheet name without needing to Delete
> > and Re-add the Linked Table?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Brad
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com on behalf of Gustav Brock
> > Sent: Fri 7/27/2012 4:38 AM
> > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Change to a Different Excel WorkSheet viaAccess
> >  VBACode
> >
> > Hi Brad
> >
> > What confuses you is that an Excel file is not a table but a database.
> > Further, as you are not referencing a Named Range (as noted by Charlotte
> > and my favourite feature of Excel to recomend) but a WorkSheet, the table
> > name is the WorkSheet name postfixed a $-sign.
> >
> > Thus the example goes:
> >
> > <code>
> > Public Sub AttachExcel()
> >
> >     Dim dbs         As DAO.Database
> >     Dim tdfLinked   As DAO.TableDef
> >     Dim strConnect  As String
> >     Dim strTblName  As String
> >
> >     Set dbs = CurrentDb
> >     strConnect = "Excel 8.0;DATABASE=" & "d:\folder\file.xls"
> >     strTblName = "SomeSheetName$"
> >
> >     Set tdfLinked = dbs.CreateTableDef("xlsSomeSheetName")
> >     tdfLinked.Connect = strConnect
> >     tdfLinked.SourceTableName = strTblName
> >     dbs.TableDefs.Append tdfLinked
> >
> > End Sub
> > </code>
> >
> > /gustav
> >
> >
> > >>> BradM at blackforestltd.com 27-07-12 3:04 >>>
> > Rocky, Jim, Mark, Darryl,
> >
> > Thanks for the assistance.  I don't think that I explained what I am
> > trying to do very well in my earlier post.
> >
> > I have a test Access application that has a "Linked Table" (an Excel
> file)
> > named ExcelFile.
> >
> > This Excel file has multiple WorkSheets - Sheet1, Sheet2. (Jan, Feb, Mar,
> > Apr, etc. in the "real" system)
> >
> > When I established the Linked Table, I had to tell Access which
> work-sheet
> > to point at.  I chose Sheet1.
> >
> > Now, I would like to change this setting from Sheet1 to Sheet2 (Jan to
> Feb
> > in the real system).
> >
> > Below is some code that I have that changes the Table Def for the table
> > named "ExcelFile".  This code works nicely for changing the name of the
> > entire Excel File (Test1.xlsx to Test2.xlsx for example.)
> >
> > What I would like to be able to do with such code is to change from
> Sheet1
> > to Sheet2 (within Test1.xlsx).
> >
> > I have done quite a bit of digging and experimenting.
> >
> > Is this possible with a Linked Table?  If not, I may need to switch from
> a
> > Linked Table to using a different approach for obtaining this data.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Brad
> >
> >
> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> >
> > Sub Update_Table_Def()
> >
> > Dim db As DAO.Database
> > Dim tdf As DAO.TableDef
> >
> > Set db = CurrentDb()
> > Set tdf = db.TableDefs!ExcelFile
> >
> > tdf.Connect = "Excel 12.0
> > Xml;HDR=NO;IMEX=2;ACCDB=YES;DATABASE=C:\Test1.xlsx"
> >
> > tdf.RefreshLink
> >
> > Set tdf = Nothing
> > Set db = Nothing
> >
> > End Sub
> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> >
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From BradM at blackforestltd.com  Fri Jul 27 21:55:53 2012
From: BradM at blackforestltd.com (Brad Marks)
Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2012 21:55:53 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Change to a Different Excel WorkSheet via Access VBA
	Code
References: <s0127de6.053@cactus.dk><E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C50163B24D@blkltd.blkfst2003.local><CAH+Met8pB5MggY_D-8JH=J-c5X4n-Lp6VH8idBryiVaJSBooZQ@mail.gmail.com><E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C50163B24F@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
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Charlotte,

Thanks for the clarification.

I am still learning things about Access.

It sounds like deleting and re-adding a Link to an Excel file is the easiest way to change the Excel Worksheet Name and that taking this approach should not cause any problems.  

Thanks,
Brad   


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com on behalf of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Fri 7/27/2012 9:34 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Change to a Different Excel WorkSheet via AccessVBACode
 
Brad,

You're confusing links with local tables.  Deleting and adding local tables
causes bloat, as does running queries, and a bunch of other actions
required along the way.

Charlotte

On Fri, Jul 27, 2012 at 7:54 AM, Brad Marks <BradM at blackforestltd.com>wrote:

> Charlotte,
>
> Thanks for your insights into Access Links.
>
> I do not have the experience with Access that you and the others here on
> AccessD have.
>
> When I first started working with Access, I believe that I read something
> about the dangers of deleting and re-adding tables.  I can't remember the
> details but I have been a bit concerned about this approach.
>
> Maybe there is nothing to worry about when doing this.
>
> Thanks again,
> Brad
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com on behalf of Charlotte Foust
> Sent: Fri 7/27/2012 9:40 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Change to a Different Excel WorkSheet via Access
> VBACode
>
> Access isn't that flexible.  Links are kind of a special situation where
> you have to replace a link, you can't just edit it.
>
> Charlotte
>
> On Fri, Jul 27, 2012 at 7:33 AM, Brad Marks <BradM at blackforestltd.com
> >wrote:
>
> > Gustav,
> >
> > Thanks for your assistance.
> >
> > With the sample code that you shared, I now have a method to change the
> > Excel "Sheet" from Sheet1 to Sheet2 to Sheet3, etc.
> >
> > This method currently deletes the Linked Table with the old sheet name
> and
> > then re-adds the Linked Table with the new sheet name.
> >
> > This works, but I have some concern about using a Delete and Re-add over
> > and over again.
> >
> > Is there a way to simply change the Sheet name without needing to Delete
> > and Re-add the Linked Table?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Brad
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com on behalf of Gustav Brock
> > Sent: Fri 7/27/2012 4:38 AM
> > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Change to a Different Excel WorkSheet viaAccess
> >  VBACode
> >
> > Hi Brad
> >
> > What confuses you is that an Excel file is not a table but a database.
> > Further, as you are not referencing a Named Range (as noted by Charlotte
> > and my favourite feature of Excel to recomend) but a WorkSheet, the table
> > name is the WorkSheet name postfixed a $-sign.
> >
> > Thus the example goes:
> >
> > <code>
> > Public Sub AttachExcel()
> >
> >     Dim dbs         As DAO.Database
> >     Dim tdfLinked   As DAO.TableDef
> >     Dim strConnect  As String
> >     Dim strTblName  As String
> >
> >     Set dbs = CurrentDb
> >     strConnect = "Excel 8.0;DATABASE=" & "d:\folder\file.xls"
> >     strTblName = "SomeSheetName$"
> >
> >     Set tdfLinked = dbs.CreateTableDef("xlsSomeSheetName")
> >     tdfLinked.Connect = strConnect
> >     tdfLinked.SourceTableName = strTblName
> >     dbs.TableDefs.Append tdfLinked
> >
> > End Sub
> > </code>
> >
> > /gustav
> >
> >
> > >>> BradM at blackforestltd.com 27-07-12 3:04 >>>
> > Rocky, Jim, Mark, Darryl,
> >
> > Thanks for the assistance.  I don't think that I explained what I am
> > trying to do very well in my earlier post.
> >
> > I have a test Access application that has a "Linked Table" (an Excel
> file)
> > named ExcelFile.
> >
> > This Excel file has multiple WorkSheets - Sheet1, Sheet2. (Jan, Feb, Mar,
> > Apr, etc. in the "real" system)
> >
> > When I established the Linked Table, I had to tell Access which
> work-sheet
> > to point at.  I chose Sheet1.
> >
> > Now, I would like to change this setting from Sheet1 to Sheet2 (Jan to
> Feb
> > in the real system).
> >
> > Below is some code that I have that changes the Table Def for the table
> > named "ExcelFile".  This code works nicely for changing the name of the
> > entire Excel File (Test1.xlsx to Test2.xlsx for example.)
> >
> > What I would like to be able to do with such code is to change from
> Sheet1
> > to Sheet2 (within Test1.xlsx).
> >
> > I have done quite a bit of digging and experimenting.
> >
> > Is this possible with a Linked Table?  If not, I may need to switch from
> a
> > Linked Table to using a different approach for obtaining this data.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Brad
> >
> >
> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> >
> > Sub Update_Table_Def()
> >
> > Dim db As DAO.Database
> > Dim tdf As DAO.TableDef
> >
> > Set db = CurrentDb()
> > Set tdf = db.TableDefs!ExcelFile
> >
> > tdf.Connect = "Excel 12.0
> > Xml;HDR=NO;IMEX=2;ACCDB=YES;DATABASE=C:\Test1.xlsx"
> >
> > tdf.RefreshLink
> >
> > Set tdf = Nothing
> > Set db = Nothing
> >
> > End Sub
> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> >
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From vbacreations at gmail.com  Sat Jul 28 02:54:06 2012
From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson (VBACreations.Com))
Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2012 03:54:06 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT - Data Plans and a solution to high cost of 4GLTE
	video streaming
Message-ID: <00ab01cd6c96$2b4181e0$81c485a0$@gmail.com>

OK, so this is OT but ... we're good at that.

I let my wife use my new smart phone on 4G LTE data connection while she
streamed an episode of Miss Marple - and watched 400MB of my 2GB/month data
plan get used in under  hour. And that was not even HD, and being displayed
on a small screen. The larger US Telecoms want $10 for every 2 GB (let's say
it's 5 hours, being conservative) of streaming. This rate is capped at $50 /
20GB, at which point it becomes almost 3 x that.

So let's say for argument sake this is 50 hours of digital entertainment,
consumed by 3 or 4 persons in a household, sharing a data plan. That can be
used in a week, let alone a month! And no, wireless is not always the
answer, suppose you want to watch the episode in a moving vehicle, or
waiting in a doctor's office, or in a park ... you name it.

The solution, I think, is simple:  download the shows ahead of time, and
watch them later.

Ah, but this is not in accord with the content provider's licensing
arrangements with Hollywood. Agreed, but suppose this could be solved by
creating a new video format- which downloads MOST of the video content but
each frame requires supplementation with some additional (low-volume) bits
or a filter-based decoder... and the "key" bits are only available in
streaming format. The supplemental data could be delivered via a stable
connection and not consume much bandwidth, and the media player would just
have to "blend" the decoded (stored) data with the supplemental bits (or
unlock key, if that is another approach). Naturally, care needs to be taken
that these supplemental bits are regularly changing and are according to an
algorithm which makes them nearly impossible to emulate - but that is just a
little time and money to perfect, I am sure.

Something has to be done to reduce stress on wireless spectrum, it cannot
support the needs of the wireless public. Wireless carriers claim that
phasing out unlimited data plans and these new exorbitant data charges are
the result of too much stress on their fragile networks, which just cannot
meet the demands. So, my idea is, cut back on the demand - and shift the
burden to the rest of the infrastructure - and do it smart, so that it
doesn't invite video piracy.

Any thoughts?


From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Sat Jul 28 04:23:55 2012
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2012 19:23:55 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] OT - Data Plans and a solution to high cost of 4GLTE
	video streaming
In-Reply-To: <00ab01cd6c96$2b4181e0$81c485a0$@gmail.com>
References: <00ab01cd6c96$2b4181e0$81c485a0$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5013AFAB.16149.656E6D6@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

You should try living in the third world. Both my Telco AND my primary ISP want about $200 
for 2GB. I pay the same whether I am on Wifi in my home/office or on the road.

And there is no way I can get 400MB downloaded in under an hour.  :-(

That said, you are possibly onto something there.  If you can come up with something along 
those lines and patent it, you could make a killing.

-- 
Stuart

On 28 Jul 2012 at 3:54, William Benson (VBACreations. wrote:

> OK, so this is OT but ... we're good at that.
> 
> I let my wife use my new smart phone on 4G LTE data connection while she
> streamed an episode of Miss Marple - and watched 400MB of my 2GB/month data
> plan get used in under  hour. And that was not even HD, and being displayed
> on a small screen. The larger US Telecoms want $10 for every 2 GB (let's say
> it's 5 hours, being conservative) of streaming. This rate is capped at $50 /
> 20GB, at which point it becomes almost 3 x that.
> 
> So let's say for argument sake this is 50 hours of digital entertainment,
> consumed by 3 or 4 persons in a household, sharing a data plan. That can be
> used in a week, let alone a month! And no, wireless is not always the
> answer, suppose you want to watch the episode in a moving vehicle, or
> waiting in a doctor's office, or in a park ... you name it.
> 
> The solution, I think, is simple:  download the shows ahead of time, and
> watch them later.
> 
> Ah, but this is not in accord with the content provider's licensing
> arrangements with Hollywood. Agreed, but suppose this could be solved by
> creating a new video format- which downloads MOST of the video content but
> each frame requires supplementation with some additional (low-volume) bits
> or a filter-based decoder... and the "key" bits are only available in
> streaming format. The supplemental data could be delivered via a stable
> connection and not consume much bandwidth, and the media player would just
> have to "blend" the decoded (stored) data with the supplemental bits (or
> unlock key, if that is another approach). Naturally, care needs to be taken
> that these supplemental bits are regularly changing and are according to an
> algorithm which makes them nearly impossible to emulate - but that is just a
> little time and money to perfect, I am sure.
> 
> Something has to be done to reduce stress on wireless spectrum, it cannot
> support the needs of the wireless public. Wireless carriers claim that
> phasing out unlimited data plans and these new exorbitant data charges are
> the result of too much stress on their fragile networks, which just cannot
> meet the demands. So, my idea is, cut back on the demand - and shift the
> burden to the rest of the infrastructure - and do it smart, so that it
> doesn't invite video piracy.
> 
> Any thoughts?
> 
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From hans.andersen at phulse.com  Sun Jul 29 01:33:36 2012
From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen)
Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2012 23:33:36 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OT - Valve and Blizzard Execs Condemn Windows 8 as 'a
	catastrophe'
In-Reply-To: <00ab01cd6c96$2b4181e0$81c485a0$@gmail.com>
References: <00ab01cd6c96$2b4181e0$81c485a0$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <918B6FF0-ABEC-4F41-A45F-92C43503B035@phulse.com>


Anyone who knows anything about video games knows that Valve and Blizzard belong to a handful of highly influential and important gaming companies and publishers out there. Lately they have become vocal about their views on Windows 8 and it has not been positive at all.

> "I think Windows 8 is a catastrophe for everyone in the PC space. I think we'll lose some of the top-tier PC/OEMs, who will exit the market. I think margins will be destroyed for a bunch of people. If that's true, then it will be good to have alternatives to hedge against that eventuality," said Newell according to an AllThingsD report. 

> Now that statement has been backed up by executive vice president of game design at Blizzard Rob Pardo. "nice interview with Gabe Newell - "I think Windows 8 is a catastrophe for everyone in the PC space* - not awesome for Blizzard either,"

Source: http://www.idigitaltimes.com/articles/10481/20120727/windows-8-pending-release-marred-blizzard-valve.htm

The strength of Windows has long been due to video games and MS Office (although I would say video games has been disproportionately more important). If a company like Valve is expending this much effort to bring their platform to Linux, this is surely a clear sign that Windows 8 is in for a bumpy ride - perhaps worse than what was with Vista. Microsoft is burning bridges left and right these days.


- Hans

From mcp2004 at mail.ru  Sun Jul 29 02:13:59 2012
From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=)
Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2012 11:13:59 +0400
Subject: [AccessD]
 =?utf-8?q?OT_-_Valve_and_Blizzard_Execs_Condemn_Windows?=
 =?utf-8?q?_8_as_=27a_catastrophe=27?=
In-Reply-To: <918B6FF0-ABEC-4F41-A45F-92C43503B035@phulse.com>
References: <00ab01cd6c96$2b4181e0$81c485a0$@gmail.com>
	<918B6FF0-ABEC-4F41-A45F-92C43503B035@phulse.com>
Message-ID: <1343546038.43999305@f316.mail.ru>

Hi Hans --

There are good and bad news on coming Windows 8 release:

Microsoft announces super-cheap Windows 8 upgrade promotion
http://www.techradar.com/news/computing/pc/microsoft-announces-super-cheap-windows-8-upgrade-promotion-1087746
Windows 8: the price is FIGHT!
http://www.techradar.com/news/software/windows-8-the-price-is-fight-1087781

--

As I have written here already my personal experience with Windows 8 Preview was positive.
As Gustav noted (and that was confirmed during my playing with Win8 Preview) switching between Win8 'Metro' interface and classic MS Windows Win7 interface can be done by pushing hot-keys...

--

Don't dramatize the future....

Thank you.

-- Shamil


Sat, 28 Jul 2012 23:33:36 -0700 ?? Hans-Christian Andersen <hans.andersen at phulse.com>:
 
  
  

Anyone who knows anything about video games knows that Valve and Blizzard belong to a handful of highly influential and important gaming companies and publishers out there. Lately they have become vocal about their views on Windows 8 and it has not been positive at all.

> "I think Windows 8 is a catastrophe for everyone in the PC space. I think we'll lose some of the top-tier PC/OEMs, who will exit the market. I think margins will be destroyed for a bunch of people. If that's true, then it will be good to have alternatives to hedge against that eventuality," said Newell according to an AllThingsD report. 

> Now that statement has been backed up by executive vice president of game design at Blizzard Rob Pardo. "nice interview with Gabe Newell - "I think Windows 8 is a catastrophe for everyone in the PC space* - not awesome for Blizzard either,"

Source: http://www.idigitaltimes.com/articles/10481/20120727/windows-8-pending-release-marred-blizzard-valve.htm

The strength of Windows has long been due to video games and MS Office (although I would say video games has been disproportionately more important). If a company like Valve is expending this much effort to bring their platform to Linux, this is surely a clear sign that Windows 8 is in for a bumpy ride - perhaps worse than what was with Vista. Microsoft is burning bridges left and right these days.


- Hans
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From hans.andersen at phulse.com  Sun Jul 29 03:32:20 2012
From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen)
Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2012 01:32:20 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OT - Valve and Blizzard Execs Condemn Windows 8 as 'a
	catastrophe'
In-Reply-To: <1343546038.43999305@f316.mail.ru>
References: <00ab01cd6c96$2b4181e0$81c485a0$@gmail.com>
	<918B6FF0-ABEC-4F41-A45F-92C43503B035@phulse.com>
	<1343546038.43999305@f316.mail.ru>
Message-ID: <659BB81C-985A-4405-B1D3-E4BAE2061355@phulse.com>


Hi Shamil

I imagine it is comforting to some that you and Gustav quite enjoy Windows 8, but this issue extends a bit beyond user interface considerations. Rather, it has more to do with that Windows is becoming a locked down platform. Quoting what certain influential executives have to say about it verbatim is not dramatisation in any sense.

Hans


On 2012-07-29, at 12:13 AM, Salakhetdinov Shamil wrote:

> Hi Hans --
> 
> There are good and bad news on coming Windows 8 release:
> 
> Microsoft announces super-cheap Windows 8 upgrade promotion
> http://www.techradar.com/news/computing/pc/microsoft-announces-super-cheap-windows-8-upgrade-promotion-1087746
> Windows 8: the price is FIGHT!
> http://www.techradar.com/news/software/windows-8-the-price-is-fight-1087781
> 
> --
> 
> As I have written here already my personal experience with Windows 8 Preview was positive.
> As Gustav noted (and that was confirmed during my playing with Win8 Preview) switching between Win8 'Metro' interface and classic MS Windows Win7 interface can be done by pushing hot-keys...
> 
> --
> 
> Don't dramatize the future....
> 
> Thank you.
> 
> -- Shamil
> 
> 
> Sat, 28 Jul 2012 23:33:36 -0700 ?? Hans-Christian Andersen <hans.andersen at phulse.com>:
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Anyone who knows anything about video games knows that Valve and Blizzard belong to a handful of highly influential and important gaming companies and publishers out there. Lately they have become vocal about their views on Windows 8 and it has not been positive at all.
> 
>> "I think Windows 8 is a catastrophe for everyone in the PC space. I think we'll lose some of the top-tier PC/OEMs, who will exit the market. I think margins will be destroyed for a bunch of people. If that's true, then it will be good to have alternatives to hedge against that eventuality," said Newell according to an AllThingsD report. 
> 
>> Now that statement has been backed up by executive vice president of game design at Blizzard Rob Pardo. "nice interview with Gabe Newell - "I think Windows 8 is a catastrophe for everyone in the PC space* - not awesome for Blizzard either,"
> 
> Source: http://www.idigitaltimes.com/articles/10481/20120727/windows-8-pending-release-marred-blizzard-valve.htm
> 
> The strength of Windows has long been due to video games and MS Office (although I would say video games has been disproportionately more important). If a company like Valve is expending this much effort to bring their platform to Linux, this is surely a clear sign that Windows 8 is in for a bumpy ride - perhaps worse than what was with Vista. Microsoft is burning bridges left and right these days.
> 
> 
> - Hans
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From mcp2004 at mail.ru  Sun Jul 29 07:22:23 2012
From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=)
Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2012 16:22:23 +0400
Subject: [AccessD]
 =?utf-8?q?OT_-_Valve_and_Blizzard_Execs_Condemn_Windows?=
 =?utf-8?q?_8_as_=27a_catastrophe=27?=
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References: <1343546038.43999305@f316.mail.ru>
	<00ab01cd6c96$2b4181e0$81c485a0$@gmail.com>
	<659BB81C-985A-4405-B1D3-E4BAE2061355@phulse.com>
Message-ID: <1343564543.389861030@m.mail.ru>

Hi Hans --

I have read the article you quoted: they state that gaming companies will have to distribute their software for Win8 via Windows Store, but they don't need to do that if they will continue developing games for the usual Windows desktop not WinRT one?

Thank you.

Shamil

-- Sent from WinPhone right out of the streets of melted by summer sun St.Petersburg, Russia

Sun, 29 Jul 2012 01:32:20 -0700 ?? Hans-Christian Andersen <hans.andersen at phulse.com>:
> 
> Hi Shamil
> 
> I imagine it is comforting to some that you and Gustav quite enjoy Windows 8,
> but this issue extends a bit beyond user interface considerations. Rather, it
> has more to do with that Windows is becoming a locked down platform. Quoting
> what certain influential executives have to say about it verbatim is not
> dramatisation in any sense.
> 
> Hans
> 
> 
> On 2012-07-29, at 12:13 AM, Salakhetdinov Shamil wrote:
> 
> > Hi Hans --
> > 
> > There are good and bad news on coming Windows 8 release:
> > 
> > Microsoft announces super-cheap Windows 8 upgrade promotion
> >
> http://www.techradar.com/news/computing/pc/microsoft-announces-super-cheap-windows-8-upgrade-promotion-1087746
> > Windows 8: the price is FIGHT!
> > http://www.techradar.com/news/software/windows-8-the-price-is-fight-1087781
> > 
> > --
> > 
> > As I have written here already my personal experience with Windows 8 Preview
> was positive.
> > As Gustav noted (and that was confirmed during my playing with Win8 Preview)
> switching between Win8 'Metro' interface and classic MS Windows Win7 interface
> can be done by pushing hot-keys...
> > 
> > --
> > 
> > Don't dramatize the future....
> > 
> > Thank you.
> > 
> > -- Shamil
> > 
> > 
> > Sat, 28 Jul 2012 23:33:36 -0700 ?? Hans-Christian Andersen
> <hans.andersen at phulse.com>:
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Anyone who knows anything about video games knows that Valve and Blizzard
> belong to a handful of highly influential and important gaming companies and
> publishers out there. Lately they have become vocal about their views on
> Windows 8 and it has not been positive at all.
> > 
> >> "I think Windows 8 is a catastrophe for everyone in the PC space. I think
> we'll lose some of the top-tier PC/OEMs, who will exit the market. I think
> margins will be destroyed for a bunch of people. If that's true, then it will
> be good to have alternatives to hedge against that eventuality," said Newell
> according to an AllThingsD report. 
> > 
> >> Now that statement has been backed up by executive vice president of game
> design at Blizzard Rob Pardo. "nice interview with Gabe Newell - "I think
> Windows 8 is a catastrophe for everyone in the PC space* - not awesome for
> Blizzard either,"
> > 
> > Source:
> http://www.idigitaltimes.com/articles/10481/20120727/windows-8-pending-release-marred-blizzard-valve.htm
> > 
> > The strength of Windows has long been due to video games and MS Office
> (although I would say video games has been disproportionately more important).
> If a company like Valve is expending this much effort to bring their platform
> to Linux, this is surely a clear sign that Windows 8 is in for a bumpy ride -
> perhaps worse than what was with Vista. Microsoft is burning bridges left and
> right these days.
> > 
> > 
> > - Hans
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sun Jul 29 11:27:07 2012
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2012 12:27:07 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT - Valve and Blizzard Execs Condemn Windows 8 as 'a
 catastrophe'
In-Reply-To: <918B6FF0-ABEC-4F41-A45F-92C43503B035@phulse.com>
References: <00ab01cd6c96$2b4181e0$81c485a0$@gmail.com>
	<918B6FF0-ABEC-4F41-A45F-92C43503B035@phulse.com>
Message-ID: <5015645B.6070308@colbyconsulting.com>

I have to say the "30% for Apple" mentality is one thing that stops me cold from buying Apple.  When 
it becomes "30% for Microsoft" just to use their store...

Me thinks not.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 7/29/2012 2:33 AM, Hans-Christian Andersen wrote:
>
> Anyone who knows anything about video games knows that Valve and Blizzard belong to a handful of highly influential and important gaming companies and publishers out there. Lately they have become vocal about their views on Windows 8 and it has not been positive at all.
>
>> "I think Windows 8 is a catastrophe for everyone in the PC space. I think we'll lose some of the top-tier PC/OEMs, who will exit the market. I think margins will be destroyed for a bunch of people. If that's true, then it will be good to have alternatives to hedge against that eventuality," said Newell according to an AllThingsD report.
>
>> Now that statement has been backed up by executive vice president of game design at Blizzard Rob Pardo. "nice interview with Gabe Newell - "I think Windows 8 is a catastrophe for everyone in the PC space* - not awesome for Blizzard either,"
>
> Source: http://www.idigitaltimes.com/articles/10481/20120727/windows-8-pending-release-marred-blizzard-valve.htm
>
> The strength of Windows has long been due to video games and MS Office (although I would say video games has been disproportionately more important). If a company like Valve is expending this much effort to bring their platform to Linux, this is surely a clear sign that Windows 8 is in for a bumpy ride - perhaps worse than what was with Vista. Microsoft is burning bridges left and right these days.
>
>
> - Hans
>


From BradM at blackforestltd.com  Mon Jul 30 11:35:03 2012
From: BradM at blackforestltd.com (Brad Marks)
Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2012 11:35:03 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Access Report in jpg format?
References: <s0127de6.053@cactus.dk><E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C50163B24D@blkltd.blkfst2003.local><CAH+Met8pB5MggY_D-8JH=J-c5X4n-Lp6VH8idBryiVaJSBooZQ@mail.gmail.com><E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C50163B24F@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
	<CAH+Met9P=F3AuW2FG-XcfnJJY=wXMSQn42k9diGS521BmomDtg@mail.gmail.com>
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All,

I have a one-page Access report that needs to be in JPG format. (this is part of a process that runs every night)

I am thinking about exporting the report from Access as a PDF file and then finding a utility to convert the PDF file to a JPG file.

Is there a better way to do this?

If I need to convert from PDF to JPG, does anyone have a recommendation on a good utility to do this? (must be ?Command Line? driven as this will be part of an automated, unattended process)

Thanks,
Brad

From Lambert.Heenan at chartisinsurance.com  Mon Jul 30 12:51:27 2012
From: Lambert.Heenan at chartisinsurance.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2012 13:51:27 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Access Report in jpg format?
In-Reply-To: <E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C50163B258@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
References: <s0127de6.053@cactus.dk><E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C50163B24D@blkltd.blkfst2003.local><CAH+Met8pB5MggY_D-8JH=J-c5X4n-Lp6VH8idBryiVaJSBooZQ@mail.gmail.com><E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C50163B24F@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
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IrfanView ver 4.33 http://www.irfanview.com/main_download_engl.htm, *with Ghostscript installed* http://sourceforge.net/projects/ghostscript/files/latest/download?source=directory will do the job of converting from PDF to JPG with the command line...

"C:\Program Files\IrfanView\i_view32.exe" "YourPDF_File.pdf" /convert="YourPDF_File.jpg"

Lambert


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brad Marks
Sent: Monday, July 30, 2012 12:35 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Access Report in jpg format?

All,

I have a one-page Access report that needs to be in JPG format. (this is part of a process that runs every night)

I am thinking about exporting the report from Access as a PDF file and then finding a utility to convert the PDF file to a JPG file.

Is there a better way to do this?

If I need to convert from PDF to JPG, does anyone have a recommendation on a good utility to do this? (must be "Command Line" driven as this will be part of an automated, unattended process)

Thanks,
Brad


From Lambert.Heenan at chartisinsurance.com  Mon Jul 30 12:52:56 2012
From: Lambert.Heenan at chartisinsurance.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2012 13:52:56 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Access Report in jpg format?
References: <s0127de6.053@cactus.dk><E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C50163B24D@blkltd.blkfst2003.local><CAH+Met8pB5MggY_D-8JH=J-c5X4n-Lp6VH8idBryiVaJSBooZQ@mail.gmail.com><E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C50163B24F@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
	<CAH+Met9P=F3AuW2FG-XcfnJJY=wXMSQn42k9diGS521BmomDtg@mail.gmail.com>
	<E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C50163B258@blkltd.blkfst2003.local> 
Message-ID: <F5B2E2ECEE84F142883A2E6DCA867F9850E2C313@LIVP3MMBX10.mail.aig.net>

P.S. As long as it really is a one-page report. The convert process only converts the first page to jpg.

Lambert 

-----Original Message-----
From: Heenan, Lambert 
Sent: Monday, July 30, 2012 1:51 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: Access Report in jpg format?

IrfanView ver 4.33 http://www.irfanview.com/main_download_engl.htm, *with Ghostscript installed* http://sourceforge.net/projects/ghostscript/files/latest/download?source=directory will do the job of converting from PDF to JPG with the command line...

"C:\Program Files\IrfanView\i_view32.exe" "YourPDF_File.pdf" /convert="YourPDF_File.jpg"

Lambert


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brad Marks
Sent: Monday, July 30, 2012 12:35 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Access Report in jpg format?

All,

I have a one-page Access report that needs to be in JPG format. (this is part of a process that runs every night)

I am thinking about exporting the report from Access as a PDF file and then finding a utility to convert the PDF file to a JPG file.

Is there a better way to do this?

If I need to convert from PDF to JPG, does anyone have a recommendation on a good utility to do this? (must be "Command Line" driven as this will be part of an automated, unattended process)

Thanks,
Brad


From BradM at blackforestltd.com  Mon Jul 30 13:24:08 2012
From: BradM at blackforestltd.com (Brad Marks)
Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2012 13:24:08 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Access Report in jpg format?
References: <s0127de6.053@cactus.dk><E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C50163B24D@blkltd.blkfst2003.local><CAH+Met8pB5MggY_D-8JH=J-c5X4n-Lp6VH8idBryiVaJSBooZQ@mail.gmail.com><E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C50163B24F@blkltd.blkfst2003.local><CAH+Met9P=F3AuW2FG-XcfnJJY=wXMSQn42k9diGS521BmomDtg@mail.gmail.com><E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C50163B258@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
	<F5B2E2ECEE84F142883A2E6DCA867F9850E2C313@LIVP3MMBX10.mail.aig.net>
Message-ID: <E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C50163B259@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>

Lambert,

Thanks for the info.  I appreciate it.

Brad 


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com on behalf of Heenan, Lambert
Sent: Mon 7/30/2012 12:52 PM
To: Heenan, Lambert; Access Developersdiscussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access Report in jpg format?
 
P.S. As long as it really is a one-page report. The convert process only converts the first page to jpg.

Lambert 

-----Original Message-----
From: Heenan, Lambert 
Sent: Monday, July 30, 2012 1:51 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: Access Report in jpg format?

IrfanView ver 4.33 http://www.irfanview.com/main_download_engl.htm, *with Ghostscript installed* http://sourceforge.net/projects/ghostscript/files/latest/download?source=directory will do the job of converting from PDF to JPG with the command line...

"C:\Program Files\IrfanView\i_view32.exe" "YourPDF_File.pdf" /convert="YourPDF_File.jpg"

Lambert


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brad Marks
Sent: Monday, July 30, 2012 12:35 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Access Report in jpg format?

All,

I have a one-page Access report that needs to be in JPG format. (this is part of a process that runs every night)

I am thinking about exporting the report from Access as a PDF file and then finding a utility to convert the PDF file to a JPG file.

Is there a better way to do this?

If I need to convert from PDF to JPG, does anyone have a recommendation on a good utility to do this? (must be "Command Line" driven as this will be part of an automated, unattended process)

Thanks,
Brad

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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Mon Jul 30 15:08:04 2012
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2012 06:08:04 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Access Report in jpg format?
In-Reply-To: <E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C50163B258@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
References: <s0127de6.053@cactus.dk>,
	<E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C50163B258@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
Message-ID: <5016E9A4.4421.12F1568B@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

You can print it directly as an image with the appropriate driver.

PDFCreator can print to a number of different formats other that PDF, including JPG,

ALternatively, you can use a dedicated driver such as Imageprinter 
http://sourceforge.net/projects/imageprinter/



On 30 Jul 2012 at 11:35, Brad Marks wrote:

> All,
> 
> I have a one-page Access report that needs to be in JPG format. (this is part of a process that runs every night)
> 
> I am thinking about exporting the report from Access as a PDF file and then finding a utility to convert the PDF file to a JPG file.
> 
> Is there a better way to do this?
> 
> If I need to convert from PDF to JPG, does anyone have a recommendation on a good utility to do this? (must be "Command Line" driven as this will be part of an automated, unattended process)
> 
> Thanks,
> Brad
> 




From hans.andersen at phulse.com  Mon Jul 30 21:54:53 2012
From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen)
Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2012 19:54:53 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OT - Valve and Blizzard Execs Condemn Windows 8 as 'a
	catastrophe'
In-Reply-To: <1343564543.389861030@m.mail.ru>
References: <1343546038.43999305@f316.mail.ru>
	<00ab01cd6c96$2b4181e0$81c485a0$@gmail.com>
	<659BB81C-985A-4405-B1D3-E4BAE2061355@phulse.com>
	<1343564543.389861030@m.mail.ru>
Message-ID: <CAFj0BAz-q2DdOhAa3siNY0FFbsx63ODg_TcYScrZbFyAD=JSxg@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Shamil,

No. I don't think that is what they were saying, but I agree that the
article was a bit thin on the details.

The problem for Steam and Blizzard are a mix of issues with what we know
Windows 8 will deliver and also what they fear Microsoft will do in the
future.

While Windows 8 on Intel will not restrict users from accessing the desktop
and installing their own applications, Windows 8 running on ARM will most
certainly be restricted to the point that Valves' Steam business simply
cannot exist on that platform. It will be the case that games can only be
sold through the Windows store.

This also creates the impression on companies like Valve and Blizzard that
there might very well be a possibility that Microsoft will continue this
trend and eventually be tempted to completely lock down Windows in future
releases (or updates?). After all, Microsoft appears very keen to follow
Apples model for many things and often to an extreme degree. After all,
Microsoft is a public company with a fiduciary responsibility to maximize
profits. Steam could very simply be seen as a middle man that doesn't need
to be there and Microsoft has all the power to kill them off (which isn't
something unusual for Microsoft - "DOS ain't done until Lotus won't run",
right?).

Which brings us to another reason, which is related to the previous one -
an issue of principle, which is that PCs and Windows has always been seen
as an open platform. That Microsoft produces an operating system on an open
platform, which it is a fair playing field for anyone to produce software
and no single entity has preferential treatment (remember when Microsoft
got in trouble for making use of secret undocumented APIs for their own
applications?). With Windows 8, Microsoft is effectively breaking this
perception, which is why companies like Valve and such are now taking a
closer look at Linux. And it is possible they are doing this merely as a
public threat to Microsoft, but the issue is a real concern for many
companies.

Also, my understand is that Gabe Newell is not a big fan of the UI changes
in Windows 8 - ie. Metro and etc, but I'm pretty sure the effect to his
business model is much more important to him.

Hans
*

*
*
*




On 29 July 2012 05:22, Salakhetdinov Shamil <mcp2004 at mail.ru> wrote:

> Hi Hans --
>
> I have read the article you quoted: they state that gaming companies will
> have to distribute their software for Win8 via Windows Store, but they
> don't need to do that if they will continue developing games for the usual
> Windows desktop not WinRT one?
>
> Thank you.
>
> Shamil
>
> -- Sent from WinPhone right out of the streets of melted by summer sun
> St.Petersburg, Russia
>
> Sun, 29 Jul 2012 01:32:20 -0700 ?? Hans-Christian Andersen <
> hans.andersen at phulse.com>:
> >
> > Hi Shamil
> >
> > I imagine it is comforting to some that you and Gustav quite enjoy
> Windows 8,
> > but this issue extends a bit beyond user interface considerations.
> Rather, it
> > has more to do with that Windows is becoming a locked down platform.
> Quoting
> > what certain influential executives have to say about it verbatim is not
> > dramatisation in any sense.
> >
> > Hans
> >
> >
> > On 2012-07-29, at 12:13 AM, Salakhetdinov Shamil wrote:
> >
> > > Hi Hans --
> > >
> > > There are good and bad news on coming Windows 8 release:
> > >
> > > Microsoft announces super-cheap Windows 8 upgrade promotion
> > >
> >
> http://www.techradar.com/news/computing/pc/microsoft-announces-super-cheap-windows-8-upgrade-promotion-1087746
> > > Windows 8: the price is FIGHT!
> > >
> http://www.techradar.com/news/software/windows-8-the-price-is-fight-1087781
> > >
> > > --
> > >
> > > As I have written here already my personal experience with Windows 8
> Preview
> > was positive.
> > > As Gustav noted (and that was confirmed during my playing with Win8
> Preview)
> > switching between Win8 'Metro' interface and classic MS Windows Win7
> interface
> > can be done by pushing hot-keys...
> > >
> > > --
> > >
> > > Don't dramatize the future....
> > >
> > > Thank you.
> > >
> > > -- Shamil
> > >
> > >
> > > Sat, 28 Jul 2012 23:33:36 -0700 ?? Hans-Christian Andersen
> > <hans.andersen at phulse.com>:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Anyone who knows anything about video games knows that Valve and
> Blizzard
> > belong to a handful of highly influential and important gaming companies
> and
> > publishers out there. Lately they have become vocal about their views on
> > Windows 8 and it has not been positive at all.
> > >
> > >> "I think Windows 8 is a catastrophe for everyone in the PC space. I
> think
> > we'll lose some of the top-tier PC/OEMs, who will exit the market. I
> think
> > margins will be destroyed for a bunch of people. If that's true, then it
> will
> > be good to have alternatives to hedge against that eventuality," said
> Newell
> > according to an AllThingsD report.
> > >
> > >> Now that statement has been backed up by executive vice president of
> game
> > design at Blizzard Rob Pardo. "nice interview with Gabe Newell - "I think
> > Windows 8 is a catastrophe for everyone in the PC space* - not awesome
> for
> > Blizzard either,"
> > >
> > > Source:
> >
> http://www.idigitaltimes.com/articles/10481/20120727/windows-8-pending-release-marred-blizzard-valve.htm
> > >
> > > The strength of Windows has long been due to video games and MS Office
> > (although I would say video games has been disproportionately more
> important).
> > If a company like Valve is expending this much effort to bring their
> platform
> > to Linux, this is surely a clear sign that Windows 8 is in for a bumpy
> ride -
> > perhaps worse than what was with Vista. Microsoft is burning bridges
> left and
> > right these days.
> > >
> > >
> > > - Hans
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From darren at activebilling.com.au  Mon Jul 30 23:26:13 2012
From: darren at activebilling.com.au (Darren)
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2012 14:26:13 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Access Report in jpg format?
In-Reply-To: <5016E9A4.4421.12F1568B@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <s0127de6.053@cactus.dk>,
	<E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C50163B258@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
	<5016E9A4.4421.12F1568B@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <01c001cd6ed4$a229e870$e67db950$@activebilling.com.au>

Hey Stuart

How goes the Election from your point of view?
The new 'friendships' are making the news down here a lot.
And are actually getting a positive spin (from the ABC at least)
See ya
D


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
Sent: Tuesday, 31 July 2012 6:08 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access Report in jpg format?

You can print it directly as an image with the appropriate driver.

PDFCreator can print to a number of different formats other that PDF,
including JPG,

ALternatively, you can use a dedicated driver such as Imageprinter
http://sourceforge.net/projects/imageprinter/



On 30 Jul 2012 at 11:35, Brad Marks wrote:

> All,
> 
> I have a one-page Access report that needs to be in JPG format. (this is
part of a process that runs every night)
> 
> I am thinking about exporting the report from Access as a PDF file and
then finding a utility to convert the PDF file to a JPG file.
> 
> Is there a better way to do this?
> 
> If I need to convert from PDF to JPG, does anyone have a recommendation on
a good utility to do this? (must be "Command Line" driven as this will be
part of an automated, unattended process)
> 
> Thanks,
> Brad
> 



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From Benson at ge.com  Mon Jul 30 23:32:17 2012
From: Benson at ge.com (Benson, William (GE Global Research, consultant))
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2012 04:32:17 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Strange append query execution Access to Oracle ODBC
Message-ID: <93D10F008B998B4A83BCA855A33EEF372C810910@CINMBCNA01.e2k.ad.ge.com>

I have an accdb which in which oracle tables are linked using odbc. I was inserting into one of the oracle tables all the records from a local Access table. The query was taking a very long time, for under 10K records, about 10 columns. Strange thing was, I checked the oracle table using SQL Developer early on in the process and it seemed like the data was there lickety-split. I saw the full record count, and did check the actual data, which looked fine. Not sure if it was complete. I don't know how odbc works. I am confused what Access seemed to be waiting for, rather than announcing the query completed. The status bar was very slowly creeping from left to right.

At some point, I hit the Escape Key because I deemed it just wasn't worth the wait, and I figured I could export the access tables as text files, then import them into SQL Developer.

The strange thing is not only that all the records appeared to be in Oracle WAY before the query finished running, but after I hit Escape (which therefore meant I would not get a prompt about whether or not to allow the insert to be done, which one normally gets at the end of query execution), the data really did appear to be in Oracle, with no opportunity to cancel the insert.

Can anyone tell me what might be going on in this situation?

I have since deleted the data in Oracle because I just don't trust this process to have completed successfully.

Thanks


From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Mon Jul 30 23:57:17 2012
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2012 14:57:17 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Access Report in jpg format?
In-Reply-To: <01c001cd6ed4$a229e870$e67db950$@activebilling.com.au>
References: <s0127de6.053@cactus.dk>,
	<5016E9A4.4421.12F1568B@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>,
	<01c001cd6ed4$a229e870$e67db950$@activebilling.com.au>
Message-ID: <501765AD.945.14D5D9E7@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

Going well from my point of view - it's been a nice little earner for me over the last couple 
months.  I'm currently sitting in the PNGEC HQ  writing applications for producing results 
summaries.   Just to keep it on-topic, all the results are currently going in to an Access BE 
and there are a couple of Access FEs to the data.

The O'Neil / Somare "friendship"  was certainly surprising given recent events, but it was 
probably the best way to ensure than Namah stays  out in the cold.   He's dangerous.


-- 
Stuart



On 31 Jul 2012 at 14:26, Darren wrote:

> Hey Stuart
> 
> How goes the Election from your point of view?
> The new 'friendships' are making the news down here a lot.
> And are actually getting a positive spin (from the ABC at least)
> See ya
> D
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
> Sent: Tuesday, 31 July 2012 6:08 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access Report in jpg format?
> 
> You can print it directly as an image with the appropriate driver.
> 
> PDFCreator can print to a number of different formats other that PDF,
> including JPG,
> 
> ALternatively, you can use a dedicated driver such as Imageprinter
> http://sourceforge.net/projects/imageprinter/
> 
> 
> 
> On 30 Jul 2012 at 11:35, Brad Marks wrote:
> 
> > All,
> > 
> > I have a one-page Access report that needs to be in JPG format. (this is
> part of a process that runs every night)
> > 
> > I am thinking about exporting the report from Access as a PDF file and
> then finding a utility to convert the PDF file to a JPG file.
> > 
> > Is there a better way to do this?
> > 
> > If I need to convert from PDF to JPG, does anyone have a recommendation on
> a good utility to do this? (must be "Command Line" driven as this will be
> part of an automated, unattended process)
> > 
> > Thanks,
> > Brad
> > 
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
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> 



From Benson at ge.com  Tue Jul 31 00:01:09 2012
From: Benson at ge.com (Benson, William (GE Global Research, consultant))
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2012 05:01:09 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Strange append query execution Access to Oracle ODBC
In-Reply-To: <93D10F008B998B4A83BCA855A33EEF372C810910@CINMBCNA01.e2k.ad.ge.com>
References: <93D10F008B998B4A83BCA855A33EEF372C810910@CINMBCNA01.e2k.ad.ge.com>
Message-ID: <93D10F008B998B4A83BCA855A33EEF372C810943@CINMBCNA01.e2k.ad.ge.com>

Part 2:  I can only find a way to import text files into SQL developer using the menu - does anyone know if this can be scripted for unattended completion of insertion of several text files' worth of data into corresponding oracle tables?


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Benson, William (GE Global Research, consultant)
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2012 12:32 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving (accessd at databaseadvisors.com)
Subject: [AccessD] Strange append query execution Access to Oracle ODBC

I have an accdb which in which oracle tables are linked using odbc. I was inserting into one of the oracle tables all the records from a local Access table. The query was taking a very long time, for under 10K records, about 10 columns. Strange thing was, I checked the oracle table using SQL Developer early on in the process and it seemed like the data was there lickety-split. I saw the full record count, and did check the actual data, which looked fine. Not sure if it was complete. I don't know how odbc works. I am confused what Access seemed to be waiting for, rather than announcing the query completed. The status bar was very slowly creeping from left to right.

At some point, I hit the Escape Key because I deemed it just wasn't worth the wait, and I figured I could export the access tables as text files, then import them into SQL Developer.

The strange thing is not only that all the records appeared to be in Oracle WAY before the query finished running, but after I hit Escape (which therefore meant I would not get a prompt about whether or not to allow the insert to be done, which one normally gets at the end of query execution), the data really did appear to be in Oracle, with no opportunity to cancel the insert.

Can anyone tell me what might be going on in this situation?

I have since deleted the data in Oracle because I just don't trust this process to have completed successfully.

Thanks

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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Tue Jul 31 00:02:18 2012
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2012 15:02:18 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Strange append query execution Access to Oracle ODBC
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Sounds like it was the transaction file that was taking the time - storing the info needed to roll 
back the insert if required.   Did you explicitly wrap the insert in a single transaction?   I 
suspect not.


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On 31 Jul 2012 at 4:32, Benson, William (GE Global Research, consu[AccessD] Strange 
append query execution Access t wrote:

> I have an accdb which in which oracle tables are linked using odbc. I
> was inserting into one of the oracle tables all the records from a
> local Access table. The query was taking a very long time, for under
> 10K records, about 10 columns. Strange thing was, I checked the oracle
> table using SQL Developer early on in the process and it seemed like
> the data was there lickety-split. I saw the full record count, and did
> check the actual data, which looked fine. Not sure if it was complete.
> I don't know how odbc works. I am confused what Access seemed to be
> waiting for, rather than announcing the query completed. The status
> bar was very slowly creeping from left to right. 
> 
> At some point, I hit the Escape Key because I deemed it just wasn't
> worth the wait, and I figured I could export the access tables as text
> files, then import them into SQL Developer. 
> 
> The strange thing is not only that all the records appeared to be in
> Oracle WAY before the query finished running, but after I hit Escape
> (which therefore meant I would not get a prompt about whether or not
> to allow the insert to be done, which one normally gets at the end of
> query execution), the data really did appear to be in Oracle, with no
> opportunity to cancel the insert. 
> 
> Can anyone tell me what might be going on in this situation?
> 
> I have since deleted the data in Oracle because I just don't trust
> this process to have completed successfully. 
> 
> Thanks
> 
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From Benson at ge.com  Tue Jul 31 00:59:08 2012
From: Benson at ge.com (Benson, William (GE Global Research, consultant))
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2012 05:59:08 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Strange append query execution Access to Oracle ODBC
In-Reply-To: <501766DA.20070.14DA6EC6@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <93D10F008B998B4A83BCA855A33EEF372C810910@CINMBCNA01.e2k.ad.ge.com>
	<501766DA.20070.14DA6EC6@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
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Stuart,

I used this SQL:

INSERT INTO SOLARCONNECT_GIBIX_EMPLOYEE ( USERID, FIRST_NAME, LAST_NAME, MIDDLE_INITIAL, EMAIL_ADDRESS, PHONE_NUMBER, EMPLOYEE_CODE, GESSOUID, PRIVILEGE, CREATED_DT, LASTMODIFIED_BY, LASTMODIFIED_DT, LAST_LOGIN_DT )
SELECT GIBIX_EMPLOYEE.USERID, GIBIX_EMPLOYEE.FIRST_NAME, GIBIX_EMPLOYEE.LAST_NAME, GIBIX_EMPLOYEE.MIDDLE_INITIAL, GIBIX_EMPLOYEE.EMAIL_ADDRESS, GIBIX_EMPLOYEE.PHONE_NUMBER, GIBIX_EMPLOYEE.EMPLOYEE_CODE, GIBIX_EMPLOYEE.GESSOUID, GIBIX_EMPLOYEE.PRIVILEGE, GIBIX_EMPLOYEE.CREATED_DT, GIBIX_EMPLOYEE.LASTMODIFIED_BY, GIBIX_EMPLOYEE.LASTMODIFIED_DT, GIBIX_EMPLOYEE.LAST_LOGIN_DT
FROM GIBIX_EMPLOYEE;


Also, I think it would be better through Access than through importing text files (SQL Developer) for one reason, I have to do it one by one in SSQL Developer unless I want to write control files for SQL LOADER; and for another thing, Access would handle the data conversions for me. When I export to text files, the dates look like   1/1/2010, whereas Oracle is expecting dates to look like 1-Jan-10... When I did this with the import feature, I had to abandon the dates. There is probably a simple way to get around this but I did not really need the few date fields in the data. But if I did, I would be screwed, pardon my French.

So I am still wondering, could I initiate the query, then check the row count in SQL DEVELOPER and if I see an equal rowcount, just hit escape to abort Access's other due diligence?



From mcp2004 at mail.ru  Tue Jul 31 04:40:11 2012
From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=)
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2012 13:40:11 +0400
Subject: [AccessD]
 =?utf-8?q?OT_-_Valve_and_Blizzard_Execs_Condemn_Windows?=
 =?utf-8?q?_8_as_=27a_catastrophe=27?=
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	<CAFj0BAz-q2DdOhAa3siNY0FFbsx63ODg_TcYScrZbFyADJSxg@mail.gmail.com>
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Hi Hans --

Thank you for your detailed reply: I'd still hope that are mainly fears...

Yes, games development for Windows 8 Runtime/tablets will require to learn new technologies:

The future of game development on Microsoft platforms
http://www.billreiss.com/the-future-of-game-development-on-microsoft-platforms/

and Windows 8 RT/tablet Windows Market promise to be "MS owned and driven" but you'd still be able to continue distributing Windows 8 desktop games as you did before for WinxP, Vista, Win7 - so an option to develop games for WinRT platform is a new option, which can only help to expand your business? (after all with a proper game's UI interface abstraction layer it shouldn't be that a big technical challenge to implement Win8 RT UI?)

For "mere mortals" application developers WinRT development wouldn't require to have that much new development concepts to master(?) provided you have a good working experience with .NET, WPF and Silverlight...?How does the new Windows 8 Runtime (WinRT) compare to Silverlight and WPF?
http://stackoverflow.com/questions/7416826/how-does-the-new-windows-8-runtime-winrt-compare-to-silverlight-and-wpf?lq=1
And Windows 8 desktop mode development will remain the same...?
We will see - ( I have here all the three main competitors to compare: Andorid tablet and two Android phones of my son, Android (power HTC) phone and iPad of my sister, my own Windows Phone 7.5 with Metro style interface: I have noted already the latter one seems to be more modern and innovative, I hope I'm not subjective in this my current "technology perception", I can be wrong. We will see...

Thank you.

-- Shamil


Mon, 30 Jul 2012 19:54:53 -0700 ?? Hans-Christian Andersen <hans.andersen at phulse.com>:
 
  
  
Hi Shamil,

No. I don't think that is what they were saying, but I agree that the
article was a bit thin on the details.

The problem for Steam and Blizzard are a mix of issues with what we know
Windows 8 will deliver and also what they fear Microsoft will do in the
future.

While Windows 8 on Intel will not restrict users from accessing the desktop
and installing their own applications, Windows 8 running on ARM will most
certainly be restricted to the point that Valves' Steam business simply
cannot exist on that platform. It will be the case that games can only be
sold through the Windows store.

This also creates the impression on companies like Valve and Blizzard that
there might very well be a possibility that Microsoft will continue this
trend and eventually be tempted to completely lock down Windows in future
releases (or updates?). After all, Microsoft appears very keen to follow
Apples model for many things and often to an extreme degree. After all,
Microsoft is a public company with a fiduciary responsibility to maximize
profits. Steam could very simply be seen as a middle man that doesn't need
to be there and Microsoft has all the power to kill them off (which isn't
something unusual for Microsoft - "DOS ain't done until Lotus won't run",
right?).

Which brings us to another reason, which is related to the previous one -
an issue of principle, which is that PCs and Windows has always been seen
as an open platform. That Microsoft produces an operating system on an open
platform, which it is a fair playing field for anyone to produce software
and no single entity has preferential treatment (remember when Microsoft
got in trouble for making use of secret undocumented APIs for their own
applications?). With Windows 8, Microsoft is effectively breaking this
perception, which is why companies like Valve and such are now taking a
closer look at Linux. And it is possible they are doing this merely as a
public threat to Microsoft, but the issue is a real concern for many
companies.

Also, my understand is that Gabe Newell is not a big fan of the UI changes
in Windows 8 - ie. Metro and etc, but I'm pretty sure the effect to his
business model is much more important to him.

Hans
*
<<<tail text trimmed >>>

From marksimms at verizon.net  Tue Jul 31 05:57:20 2012
From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms)
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2012 06:57:20 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Office 2013
In-Reply-To: <5016E9A4.4421.12F1568B@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <s0127de6.053@cactus.dk>,
	<E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C50163B258@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
	<5016E9A4.4421.12F1568B@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <000001cd6f0b$4302c1f0$c90845d0$@net>

http://www.groovypost.com/review/new-features-office-2013-vs-office-2010/

Note the comment on Office 365.




From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue Jul 31 08:06:59 2012
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2012 09:06:59 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Paul McCartney made how much for his Olympics Opening
 Ceremony show? - msnbc.com Entertainment
Message-ID: <5017D873.10203@colbyconsulting.com>

He's da man!

-- 
John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it
http://entertainment.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/07/31/13049372-paul-mccartney-made-how-much-for-his-olympics-opening-ceremony-show?lite


From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk  Tue Jul 31 08:21:20 2012
From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid)
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2012 14:21:20 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Paul McCartney made how much for his Olympics Opening
 Ceremony show? - msnbc.com Entertainment
In-Reply-To: <5017D873.10203@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <5017D873.10203@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB082958E4DA5E071@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk>

I would not have paid him 50p. He was awful. Getting too old for it now and hasn't the voice

Martin


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Subject: [AccessD] Paul McCartney made how much for his Olympics Opening Ceremony show? - msnbc.com Entertainment

He's da man!

-- 
John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it
http://entertainment.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/07/31/13049372-paul-mccartney-made-how-much-for-his-olympics-opening-ceremony-show?lite

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From jimdettman at verizon.net  Tue Jul 31 08:39:47 2012
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2012 09:39:47 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Paul McCartney made how much for his Olympics Opening
 Ceremony show? - msnbc.com Entertainment
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	<631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB082958E4DA5E071@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <40F9301D0042407E94ABE5529DAD4F8F@XPS>


  I have to agree.  Live always sounds worse then studio recordings, but
even so, it seemed like he just didn't have it.

Jim.

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Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2012 09:21 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Paul McCartney made how much for his Olympics Opening
Ceremony show? - msnbc.com Entertainment

I would not have paid him 50p. He was awful. Getting too old for it now and
hasn't the voice

Martin


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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: 31 July 2012 14:07
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Paul McCartney made how much for his Olympics Opening
Ceremony show? - msnbc.com Entertainment

He's da man!

-- 
John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it
http://entertainment.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/07/31/13049372-paul-mccartney-ma
de-how-much-for-his-olympics-opening-ceremony-show?lite

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From gustav at cactus.dk  Tue Jul 31 09:09:31 2012
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2012 16:09:31 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Paul McCartney made how much for his Olympics	Opening
	Ceremony show? - msnbc.com Entertainment
Message-ID: <s0180342.015@cactus.dk>

Hi Jim

Just like my favourite aversion, Elton John.

No (minutes before John the moderator kicks us out!) the last decent work from Sir Paul was Wings over America - and that was back in the age of vinyl (it is still in my collection).

/gustav


>>> jimdettman at verizon.net 31-07-12 15:39 >>>

  I have to agree.  Live always sounds worse then studio recordings, but even so, it seemed like he just didn't have it.

Jim.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Martin Reid
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2012 09:21 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Paul McCartney made how much for his Olympics Opening
Ceremony show? - msnbc.com Entertainment

I would not have paid him 50p. He was awful. Getting too old for it now and
hasn't the voice

Martin


From Lambert.Heenan at chartisinsurance.com  Tue Jul 31 09:19:24 2012
From: Lambert.Heenan at chartisinsurance.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2012 10:19:24 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Paul McCartney made how much for his
	Olympics	Opening	Ceremony show? - msnbc.com Entertainment
In-Reply-To: <s0180342.015@cactus.dk>
References: <s0180342.015@cactus.dk>
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IMHO the last descent work from McCartney was the final Beatles album, "Let It Be". Wings! Blech.

That said, I thing he did just fine with Hey Jude the other night.

Lambert

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2012 10:10 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Paul McCartney made how much for his Olympics Opening Ceremony show? - msnbc.com Entertainment

Hi Jim

Just like my favourite aversion, Elton John.

No (minutes before John the moderator kicks us out!) the last decent work from Sir Paul was Wings over America - and that was back in the age of vinyl (it is still in my collection).

/gustav


>>> jimdettman at verizon.net 31-07-12 15:39 >>>

  I have to agree.  Live always sounds worse then studio recordings, but even so, it seemed like he just didn't have it.

Jim.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Martin Reid
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2012 09:21 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Paul McCartney made how much for his Olympics Opening Ceremony show? - msnbc.com Entertainment

I would not have paid him 50p. He was awful. Getting too old for it now and hasn't the voice

Martin

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From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Tue Jul 31 09:38:52 2012
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2012 15:38:52 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [AccessD] Paul McCartney made how much for his Olympics	Opening
 Ceremony show? - msnbc.com Entertainment
In-Reply-To: <F5B2E2ECEE84F142883A2E6DCA867F9850E2C42D@LIVP3MMBX10.mail.aig.net>
References: <s0180342.015@cactus.dk>
	<F5B2E2ECEE84F142883A2E6DCA867F9850E2C42D@LIVP3MMBX10.mail.aig.net>
Message-ID: <983291351.1116789.1343745532510.JavaMail.open-xchange@email.1and1.co.uk>

John's away so you're stuck with me moderating and I say....it wasn't just
SuperMac, none of teh bands got any more. He did get some free tickets though
and as they're like gold-dust..

http://entertainment.stv.tv/showbiz/311262-paul-mccartney-paid-1-for-olympics-perfomance/
<http://entertainment.stv.tv/showbiz/311262-paul-mccartney-paid-1-for-olympics-perfomance/>

Now that's enough, behave.

Andy


On 31 July 2012 at 15:19 "Heenan, Lambert" <Lambert.Heenan at chartisinsurance.com>
wrote:

> IMHO the last descent work from McCartney was the final Beatles album, "Let It
> Be". Wings! Blech.
>
> That said, I thing he did just fine with Hey Jude the other night.
>
> Lambert
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
> Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2012 10:10 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Paul McCartney made how much for his Olympics Opening
> Ceremony show? - msnbc.com Entertainment
>
> Hi Jim
>
> Just like my favourite aversion, Elton John.
>
> No (minutes before John the moderator kicks us out!) the last decent work from
> Sir Paul was Wings over America - and that was back in the age of vinyl (it is
> still in my collection).
>
> /gustav
>
>
> >>> jimdettman at verizon.net 31-07-12 15:39 >>>
>
>   I have to agree.  Live always sounds worse then studio recordings, but even
> so, it seemed like he just didn't have it.
>
> Jim.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Martin Reid
> Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2012 09:21 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Paul McCartney made how much for his Olympics Opening
> Ceremony show? - msnbc.com Entertainment
>
> I would not have paid him 50p. He was awful. Getting too old for it now and
> hasn't the voice
>
> Martin
>
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From davidmcafee at gmail.com  Tue Jul 31 09:45:07 2012
From: davidmcafee at gmail.com (David McAfee)
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2012 07:45:07 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Paul McCartney made how much for his Olympics Opening
 Ceremony show? - msnbc.com Entertainment
In-Reply-To: <F5B2E2ECEE84F142883A2E6DCA867F9850E2C42D@LIVP3MMBX10.mail.aig.net>
References: <s0180342.015@cactus.dk>
	<F5B2E2ECEE84F142883A2E6DCA867F9850E2C42D@LIVP3MMBX10.mail.aig.net>
Message-ID: <CAMhYZWZ=ESyaT9i8U3bKjTZAkc_to4va6c7Wz=rx=wZXxyYUuA@mail.gmail.com>

Band on the run and Let 'em in were good wing songs.

:)

Sent from my Droid phone.
On Jul 31, 2012 7:20 AM, "Heenan, Lambert" <
Lambert.Heenan at chartisinsurance.com> wrote:

> IMHO the last descent work from McCartney was the final Beatles album,
> "Let It Be". Wings! Blech.
>
> That said, I thing he did just fine with Hey Jude the other night.
>
> Lambert
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:
> accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
> Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2012 10:10 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Paul McCartney made how much for his Olympics
> Opening Ceremony show? - msnbc.com Entertainment
>
> Hi Jim
>
> Just like my favourite aversion, Elton John.
>
> No (minutes before John the moderator kicks us out!) the last decent work
> from Sir Paul was Wings over America - and that was back in the age of
> vinyl (it is still in my collection).
>
> /gustav
>
>
> >>> jimdettman at verizon.net 31-07-12 15:39 >>>
>
>   I have to agree.  Live always sounds worse then studio recordings, but
> even so, it seemed like he just didn't have it.
>
> Jim.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Martin Reid
> Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2012 09:21 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Paul McCartney made how much for his Olympics
> Opening Ceremony show? - msnbc.com Entertainment
>
> I would not have paid him 50p. He was awful. Getting too old for it now
> and hasn't the voice
>
> Martin
>
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Tue Jul 31 09:51:09 2012
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2012 07:51:09 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Paul McCartney made how much for his Olympics	Opening
	Ceremony show? - msnbc.com Entertainment
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References: <s0180342.015@cactus.dk><F5B2E2ECEE84F142883A2E6DCA867F9850E2C42D@LIVP3MMBX10.mail.aig.net>
	<983291351.1116789.1343745532510.JavaMail.open-xchange@email.1and1.co.uk>
Message-ID: <23C8AEE29C954D508C638DAAF243D815@HAL9007>

I missed it.  Did he do the 34 minute version of Hey Jude or the 52 minute
version? 

R
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andy Lacey
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2012 7:39 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Paul McCartney made how much for his Olympics Opening
Ceremony show? - msnbc.com Entertainment

John's away so you're stuck with me moderating and I say....it wasn't just
SuperMac, none of teh bands got any more. He did get some free tickets
though and as they're like gold-dust..

http://entertainment.stv.tv/showbiz/311262-paul-mccartney-paid-1-for-olympic
s-perfomance/
<http://entertainment.stv.tv/showbiz/311262-paul-mccartney-paid-1-for-olympi
cs-perfomance/>

Now that's enough, behave.

Andy


On 31 July 2012 at 15:19 "Heenan, Lambert"
<Lambert.Heenan at chartisinsurance.com>
wrote:

> IMHO the last descent work from McCartney was the final Beatles album, 
> "Let It Be". Wings! Blech.
>
> That said, I thing he did just fine with Hey Jude the other night.
>
> Lambert
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav 
> Brock
> Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2012 10:10 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Paul McCartney made how much for his Olympics 
> Opening Ceremony show? - msnbc.com Entertainment
>
> Hi Jim
>
> Just like my favourite aversion, Elton John.
>
> No (minutes before John the moderator kicks us out!) the last decent 
> work from Sir Paul was Wings over America - and that was back in the 
> age of vinyl (it is still in my collection).
>
> /gustav
>
>
> >>> jimdettman at verizon.net 31-07-12 15:39 >>>
>
>   I have to agree.  Live always sounds worse then studio recordings, 
> but even so, it seemed like he just didn't have it.
>
> Jim.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Martin Reid
> Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2012 09:21 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Paul McCartney made how much for his Olympics 
> Opening Ceremony show? - msnbc.com Entertainment
>
> I would not have paid him 50p. He was awful. Getting too old for it 
> now and hasn't the voice
>
> Martin
>
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue Jul 31 11:13:18 2012
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2012 12:13:18 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Paul McCartney made how much for his Olympics Opening
 Ceremony show? - msnbc.com Entertainment
In-Reply-To: <631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB082958E4DA5E071@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk>
References: <5017D873.10203@colbyconsulting.com>
	<631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB082958E4DA5E071@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <5018041E.1050207@colbyconsulting.com>

LOL.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 7/31/2012 9:21 AM, Martin Reid wrote:
> I would not have paid him 50p. He was awful. Getting too old for it now and hasn't the voice
>
> Martin
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
> Sent: 31 July 2012 14:07
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] Paul McCartney made how much for his Olympics Opening Ceremony show? - msnbc.com Entertainment
>
> He's da man!
>


From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Tue Jul 31 14:20:50 2012
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2012 12:20:50 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Microsoft Access Has Stopped Working
Message-ID: <7A811FEE3F0342388244EFA9CB843E9D@HAL9007>

Dear List:
 
How I HATE that message.  Suddenly, for no apparent reason and making no
excuses, Access stop working and give you only the curt message 'Microsoft
Access has stopped working." and bails, leaving the ldb files open, as well
as my mouth in disbelief.  Not even a clue why.  But I digress.
 
Yesterday I ran into this twice on an app that HAS been working.  I can go
into the details later if necessary.
 
But the first case I was able to duplicate here - has to do with deleting a
record (SO Header), which cascade deletes child record (SO Detail), and then
displays a MsgBox "Sales Order Deleted" and user clicks OK.  If I wait a
couple of seconds and click OK, no problem.  If I click OK real fast,
Microsoft Access stops working!  I tried inserting a DoEvents before that
last MsgBox - no seegar. Tried a subroutine to delay x milliseconds, it blew
up on the call to that routine.
 
So I think there's some kind of timing problem there.  Maybe.
 
The second case involves a form which displays PO details.  Double-clicking
on the PO Number opens the PO form and displays the whole PO.  Clicking exit
closes the form and you return to the first form.  Works like a champ here.
User says when they click Exit in the Purchase Order form...Microsoft Access
stops working!
 
Does anyone have any insight into this?  Seen it before?  Know how to fix
it?
 
MMTIA
 
Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
858-259-4334
www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> 
www.e-z-mrp.com <http://www.e-z-mrp.com/> 
Skype: rocky.smolin
 

From davidmcafee at gmail.com  Tue Jul 31 14:30:33 2012
From: davidmcafee at gmail.com (David McAfee)
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2012 12:30:33 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Microsoft Access Has Stopped Working
In-Reply-To: <7A811FEE3F0342388244EFA9CB843E9D@HAL9007>
References: <7A811FEE3F0342388244EFA9CB843E9D@HAL9007>
Message-ID: <CAMhYZWa1ew2Q+mmiKXE-Jd=Setfa+T62=FbFLLnvOymO4Jnn1w@mail.gmail.com>

I see it more with Outlook than I do with Access.

Funny thing the problem is with neither on, at least for me.

It's when I am I using Winamp and I hit a custom programmed Back/Forward
Key on my Microsoft Keyboard.
Those keys were originally meant for webpage navigation, but I reassigned
them to next/prev audio track.
 Every now and then if I am in Outlook or Access (Haven't experienced it in
any other Office app yet) and hit that button (or play/pause)
Outlook will pop up that msg and close.

Maybe a memory issue?

I know you probably aren't having the same issue as me, but maybe it isn't
your db and is something else.

David



On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 12:20 PM, Rocky Smolin <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>wrote:

> Dear List:
>
> How I HATE that message.  Suddenly, for no apparent reason and making no
> excuses, Access stop working and give you only the curt message 'Microsoft
> Access has stopped working." and bails, leaving the ldb files open, as well
> as my mouth in disbelief.  Not even a clue why.  But I digress.
>
> Yesterday I ran into this twice on an app that HAS been working.  I can go
> into the details later if necessary.
>
> But the first case I was able to duplicate here - has to do with deleting a
> record (SO Header), which cascade deletes child record (SO Detail), and
> then
> displays a MsgBox "Sales Order Deleted" and user clicks OK.  If I wait a
> couple of seconds and click OK, no problem.  If I click OK real fast,
> Microsoft Access stops working!  I tried inserting a DoEvents before that
> last MsgBox - no seegar. Tried a subroutine to delay x milliseconds, it
> blew
> up on the call to that routine.
>
> So I think there's some kind of timing problem there.  Maybe.
>
> The second case involves a form which displays PO details.  Double-clicking
> on the PO Number opens the PO form and displays the whole PO.  Clicking
> exit
> closes the form and you return to the first form.  Works like a champ here.
> User says when they click Exit in the Purchase Order form...Microsoft
> Access
> stops working!
>
> Does anyone have any insight into this?  Seen it before?  Know how to fix
> it?
>
> MMTIA
>
> Rocky Smolin
> Beach Access Software
> 858-259-4334
> www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/>
> www.e-z-mrp.com <http://www.e-z-mrp.com/>
> Skype: rocky.smolin
>
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Tue Jul 31 14:40:19 2012
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2012 12:40:19 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Microsoft Access Has Stopped Working
In-Reply-To: <CAMhYZWa1ew2Q+mmiKXE-Jd=Setfa+T62=FbFLLnvOymO4Jnn1w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7A811FEE3F0342388244EFA9CB843E9D@HAL9007>
	<CAMhYZWa1ew2Q+mmiKXE-Jd=Setfa+T62=FbFLLnvOymO4Jnn1w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7F31D2C09C9A47D297EB90BDC0AB65C3@HAL9007>

More data:

Both users are running mdes. I was able to reproduce the first problem on
the mdb.  The second one neither the mdb nor the mde.

Rocky
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of David McAfee
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2012 12:31 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Microsoft Access Has Stopped Working

I see it more with Outlook than I do with Access.

Funny thing the problem is with neither on, at least for me.

It's when I am I using Winamp and I hit a custom programmed Back/Forward Key
on my Microsoft Keyboard.
Those keys were originally meant for webpage navigation, but I reassigned
them to next/prev audio track.
 Every now and then if I am in Outlook or Access (Haven't experienced it in
any other Office app yet) and hit that button (or play/pause) Outlook will
pop up that msg and close.

Maybe a memory issue?

I know you probably aren't having the same issue as me, but maybe it isn't
your db and is something else.

David



On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 12:20 PM, Rocky Smolin
<rockysmolin at bchacc.com>wrote:

> Dear List:
>
> How I HATE that message.  Suddenly, for no apparent reason and making 
> no excuses, Access stop working and give you only the curt message 
> 'Microsoft Access has stopped working." and bails, leaving the ldb 
> files open, as well as my mouth in disbelief.  Not even a clue why.  But I
digress.
>
> Yesterday I ran into this twice on an app that HAS been working.  I 
> can go into the details later if necessary.
>
> But the first case I was able to duplicate here - has to do with 
> deleting a record (SO Header), which cascade deletes child record (SO 
> Detail), and then displays a MsgBox "Sales Order Deleted" and user 
> clicks OK.  If I wait a couple of seconds and click OK, no problem.  
> If I click OK real fast, Microsoft Access stops working!  I tried 
> inserting a DoEvents before that last MsgBox - no seegar. Tried a 
> subroutine to delay x milliseconds, it blew up on the call to that 
> routine.
>
> So I think there's some kind of timing problem there.  Maybe.
>
> The second case involves a form which displays PO details.  
> Double-clicking on the PO Number opens the PO form and displays the 
> whole PO.  Clicking exit closes the form and you return to the first 
> form.  Works like a champ here.
> User says when they click Exit in the Purchase Order form...Microsoft 
> Access stops working!
>
> Does anyone have any insight into this?  Seen it before?  Know how to 
> fix it?
>
> MMTIA
>
> Rocky Smolin
> Beach Access Software
> 858-259-4334
> www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> www.e-z-mrp.com 
> <http://www.e-z-mrp.com/>
> Skype: rocky.smolin
>
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Tue Jul 31 15:55:44 2012
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2012 22:55:44 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Microsoft Access Has Stopped Working
Message-ID: <s0186292.017@cactus.dk>

Hi Rocky

I've seen it with A2010 when doing naughty things, repeatable * changed the code and it was gone. And occasionally for "no" reason.
As you suggest - could be a timing issue. But, I think, outside our control.

/gustav


>>> rockysmolin at bchacc.com 31-07-12 21:20 >>>
Dear List:
 
How I HATE that message.  Suddenly, for no apparent reason and making no
excuses, Access stop working and give you only the curt message 'Microsoft
Access has stopped working." and bails, leaving the ldb files open, as well
as my mouth in disbelief.  Not even a clue why.  But I digress.
 
Yesterday I ran into this twice on an app that HAS been working.  I can go
into the details later if necessary.
 
But the first case I was able to duplicate here - has to do with deleting a
record (SO Header), which cascade deletes child record (SO Detail), and then
displays a MsgBox "Sales Order Deleted" and user clicks OK.  If I wait a
couple of seconds and click OK, no problem.  If I click OK real fast,
Microsoft Access stops working!  I tried inserting a DoEvents before that
last MsgBox - no seegar. Tried a subroutine to delay x milliseconds, it blew
up on the call to that routine.
 
So I think there's some kind of timing problem there.  Maybe.
 
The second case involves a form which displays PO details.  Double-clicking
on the PO Number opens the PO form and displays the whole PO.  Clicking exit
closes the form and you return to the first form.  Works like a champ here.
User says when they click Exit in the Purchase Order form...Microsoft Access
stops working!
 
Does anyone have any insight into this?  Seen it before?  Know how to fix
it?
 
MMTIA
 
Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
858-259-4334
www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> 
www.e-z-mrp.com <http://www.e-z-mrp.com/> 
Skype: rocky.smolin