From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Fri Jun  1 02:06:06 2012
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andrew Lacey)
Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2012 08:06:06 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [AccessD] OLEDB connection string
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Morning all



I know I'm late to this but I'm trying to setup an OLEDB connection string to
SQL Server. I've found info on the web for this but I'm not having any joy. This
is a code snippet of what I have.



strConnect = "Provider=SQLOLEDB;Data Source=FRGRAAPP02;Initial
Catalog=TALEG_CI;IntegratedSecurity=SSPI;"

tdf.Connect = strConnect



where tdf is defined as DAO.Tabledef and is sitting on a table definition of a
table currently linked to an MDB. The code fails, however, with "Error Attaching
tablename". Can anyone see what I'm doing wrong? The Data Source is the server
name and TALEG_CI is the SQL Database which has no security on it. We're wanting
to use Windows authentication.



Help please. I really need this.







Cheers



Andy

From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Fri Jun  1 02:17:12 2012
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andrew Lacey)
Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2012 08:17:12 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [AccessD] OLEDB connection string
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Sorry, the error I'm getting is actually "Could not find installable ISAM".

Andy


On 01 June 2012 at 08:06 Andrew Lacey <andy at minstersystems.co.uk> wrote:

> Morning all
>
>
>
> I know I'm late to this but I'm trying to setup an OLEDB connection string to
> SQL Server. I've found info on the web for this but I'm not having any joy.
> This
> is a code snippet of what I have.
>
>
>
> strConnect = "Provider=SQLOLEDB;Data Source=FRGRAAPP02;Initial
> Catalog=TALEG_CI;IntegratedSecurity=SSPI;"
>
> tdf.Connect = strConnect
>
>
>
> where tdf is defined as DAO.Tabledef and is sitting on a table definition of a
> table currently linked to an MDB. The code fails, however, with "Error
> Attaching
> tablename". Can anyone see what I'm doing wrong? The Data Source is the server
> name and TALEG_CI is the SQL Database which has no security on it. We're
> wanting
> to use Windows authentication.
>
>
>
> Help please. I really need this.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Cheers
>
>
>
> Andy
> --
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From hans.andersen at phulse.com  Fri Jun  1 02:31:40 2012
From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen)
Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2012 00:31:40 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Chaos in corporate IT departments
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I'm not disputing your experience. However, in my experience, I found that there is often a disconnect between the core business and IT and the lack of involvement of IT in the financial burdens & rewards that causes this insulation from the users. IMO, IT should be involved in sales to some extent, otherwise they are just simply holding up the fort and doing whatever management and executives ask them to do. There is no connection to the product or involvement in the direction of the business. If you are just as involved in nurturing the business, you will care more about it.

Bureaucracy, IMO, comes from job security and boredom.



On 2012-05-31, at 6:45 PM, Mark Simms wrote:

> Hans - Sorry to disagree. IT departments create their own fiefdoms and thus
> insulate themselves from the users....and put-up a huge barricade of IT
> protocol and bureaucracy.
>> 
>> In my experience, this is more because the CEOs of such companies don't
>> give the IT departments more autonomy and share of the business and
>> business decisions. So they end up creating the conditions for such a
>> result.
> 
> 
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From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Fri Jun  1 07:32:02 2012
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andrew Lacey)
Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2012 13:32:02 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [AccessD] OLEDB connection string - Help please
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Heeeeellllllpppp please


On 01 June 2012 at 08:17 Andrew Lacey <andy at minstersystems.co.uk> wrote:

> Sorry, the error I'm getting is actually "Could not find installable ISAM".
>
> Andy
>
>
> On 01 June 2012 at 08:06 Andrew Lacey <andy at minstersystems.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > Morning all
> >
> >
> >
> > I know I'm late to this but I'm trying to setup an OLEDB connection string
> > to
> > SQL Server. I've found info on the web for this but I'm not having any joy.
> > This
> > is a code snippet of what I have.
> >
> >
> >
> > strConnect = "Provider=SQLOLEDB;Data Source=FRGRAAPP02;Initial
> > Catalog=TALEG_CI;IntegratedSecurity=SSPI;"
> >
> > tdf.Connect = strConnect
> >
> >
> >
> > where tdf is defined as DAO.Tabledef and is sitting on a table definition of
> > a
> > table currently linked to an MDB. The code fails, however, with "Error
> > Attaching
> > tablename". Can anyone see what I'm doing wrong? The Data Source is the
> > server
> > name and TALEG_CI is the SQL Database which has no security on it. We're
> > wanting
> > to use Windows authentication.
> >
> >
> >
> > Help please. I really need this.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> >
> >
> > Andy
> > --
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> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
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From michael at mattysconsulting.com  Fri Jun  1 08:11:41 2012
From: michael at mattysconsulting.com (Michael Mattys)
Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2012 09:11:41 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OLEDB connection string - Help please
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Andy,

Can you type in the Immediate Window 
Currentdb.TableDefs("TableName").Connect?

Are you using Management Studio?
Someone on the web suggested restarting the service, if that's possible for
you.

Michael R Mattys
Mattys Consulting, LLC
www.mattysconsulting.com


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andrew Lacey
Sent: Friday, June 01, 2012 8:32 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OLEDB connection string - Help please

Heeeeellllllpppp please


On 01 June 2012 at 08:17 Andrew Lacey <andy at minstersystems.co.uk> wrote:

> Sorry, the error I'm getting is actually "Could not find installable
ISAM".
>
> Andy
>
>
> On 01 June 2012 at 08:06 Andrew Lacey <andy at minstersystems.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > Morning all
> >
> >
> >
> > I know I'm late to this but I'm trying to setup an OLEDB connection 
> > string to SQL Server. I've found info on the web for this but I'm 
> > not having any joy.
> > This
> > is a code snippet of what I have.
> >
> >
> >
> > strConnect = "Provider=SQLOLEDB;Data Source=FRGRAAPP02;Initial 
> > Catalog=TALEG_CI;IntegratedSecurity=SSPI;"
> >
> > tdf.Connect = strConnect
> >
> >
> >
> > where tdf is defined as DAO.Tabledef and is sitting on a table 
> > definition of a table currently linked to an MDB. The code fails, 
> > however, with "Error Attaching tablename". Can anyone see what I'm 
> > doing wrong? The Data Source is the server name and TALEG_CI is the 
> > SQL Database which has no security on it. We're wanting to use 
> > Windows authentication.
> >
> >
> >
> > Help please. I really need this.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> >
> >
> > Andy
> > --
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> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
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From df.waters at comcast.net  Fri Jun  1 08:51:32 2012
From: df.waters at comcast.net (Dan Waters)
Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2012 08:51:32 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Chaos in corporate IT departments
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This is what I also see at two of the larger customers I have.

Dan

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Simms
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2012 8:46 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Chaos in corporate IT departments

Hans - Sorry to disagree. IT departments create their own fiefdoms and thus
insulate themselves from the users....and put-up a huge barricade of IT
protocol and bureaucracy.
>
> In my experience, this is more because the CEOs of such companies 
> don't give the IT departments more autonomy and share of the business 
> and business decisions. So they end up creating the conditions for 
> such a result.


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From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Fri Jun  1 09:10:55 2012
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andrew Lacey)
Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2012 15:10:55 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [AccessD] OLEDB connection string - Help please
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Hi Michael
thanks for responding. Yes I can get the connect string in the immediate window.
It's currently using ODBC but I'm desperately trying to switch to OLEDB in order
to avoid all of the ODBC setup. It's the .refreshLink after the .Connect = which
gives the "Could not find installable ISAM" error. I don't know how to cure
that. Google found an MS rpage which said a registry ntry was wrong but the
correct one is exactly what I already have.

Andy


On 01 June 2012 at 14:11 Michael Mattys <michael at mattysconsulting.com> wrote:

> Andy,
>
> Can you type in the Immediate Window
> Currentdb.TableDefs("TableName").Connect?
>
> Are you using Management Studio?
> Someone on the web suggested restarting the service, if that's possible for
> you.
>
> Michael R Mattys
> Mattys Consulting, LLC
> www.mattysconsulting.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andrew Lacey
> Sent: Friday, June 01, 2012 8:32 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OLEDB connection string - Help please
>
> Heeeeellllllpppp please
>
>
> On 01 June 2012 at 08:17 Andrew Lacey <andy at minstersystems.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > Sorry, the error I'm getting is actually "Could not find installable
> ISAM".
> >
> > Andy
> >
> >
> > On 01 June 2012 at 08:06 Andrew Lacey <andy at minstersystems.co.uk> wrote:
> >
> > > Morning all
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I know I'm late to this but I'm trying to setup an OLEDB connection
> > > string to SQL Server. I've found info on the web for this but I'm
> > > not having any joy.
> > > This
> > > is a code snippet of what I have.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > strConnect = "Provider=SQLOLEDB;Data Source=FRGRAAPP02;Initial
> > > Catalog=TALEG_CI;IntegratedSecurity=SSPI;"
> > >
> > > tdf.Connect = strConnect
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > where tdf is defined as DAO.Tabledef and is sitting on a table
> > > definition of a table currently linked to an MDB. The code fails,
> > > however, with "Error Attaching tablename". Can anyone see what I'm
> > > doing wrong? The Data Source is the server name and TALEG_CI is the
> > > SQL Database which has no security on it. We're wanting to use
> > > Windows authentication.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Help please. I really need this.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Cheers
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Andy
> > > --
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> > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Fri Jun  1 09:35:14 2012
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2012 07:35:14 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OLEDB connection string
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Hi Andrew:

Check out this site/page for examples: http://www.connectionstrings.com/

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andrew Lacey
Sent: Friday, June 01, 2012 12:06 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] OLEDB connection string

Morning all



I know I'm late to this but I'm trying to setup an OLEDB connection string
to
SQL Server. I've found info on the web for this but I'm not having any joy.
This
is a code snippet of what I have.



strConnect = "Provider=SQLOLEDB;Data Source=FRGRAAPP02;Initial
Catalog=TALEG_CI;IntegratedSecurity=SSPI;"

tdf.Connect = strConnect



where tdf is defined as DAO.Tabledef and is sitting on a table definition of
a
table currently linked to an MDB. The code fails, however, with "Error
Attaching
tablename". Can anyone see what I'm doing wrong? The Data Source is the
server
name and TALEG_CI is the SQL Database which has no security on it. We're
wanting
to use Windows authentication.



Help please. I really need this.







Cheers



Andy
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From michael at mattysconsulting.com  Fri Jun  1 09:43:09 2012
From: michael at mattysconsulting.com (Michael Mattys)
Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2012 10:43:09 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OLEDB connection string - Help please
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I don't know, but I've found that sqlncli.msi helps sometimes.
http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/details.aspx?id=16177

Michael R Mattys
Mattys Consulting, LLC
www.mattysconsulting.com


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andrew Lacey
Sent: Friday, June 01, 2012 10:11 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OLEDB connection string - Help please

Hi Michael
thanks for responding. Yes I can get the connect string in the immediate
window.
It's currently using ODBC but I'm desperately trying to switch to OLEDB in
order to avoid all of the ODBC setup. It's the .refreshLink after the
.Connect = which gives the "Could not find installable ISAM" error. I don't
know how to cure that. Google found an MS rpage which said a registry ntry
was wrong but the correct one is exactly what I already have.

Andy


On 01 June 2012 at 14:11 Michael Mattys <michael at mattysconsulting.com>
wrote:

> Andy,
>
> Can you type in the Immediate Window
> Currentdb.TableDefs("TableName").Connect?
>
> Are you using Management Studio?
> Someone on the web suggested restarting the service, if that's 
> possible for you.
>
> Michael R Mattys
> Mattys Consulting, LLC
> www.mattysconsulting.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andrew 
> Lacey
> Sent: Friday, June 01, 2012 8:32 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OLEDB connection string - Help please
>
> Heeeeellllllpppp please
>
>
> On 01 June 2012 at 08:17 Andrew Lacey <andy at minstersystems.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > Sorry, the error I'm getting is actually "Could not find installable
> ISAM".
> >
> > Andy
> >
> >
> > On 01 June 2012 at 08:06 Andrew Lacey <andy at minstersystems.co.uk> wrote:
> >
> > > Morning all
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I know I'm late to this but I'm trying to setup an OLEDB 
> > > connection string to SQL Server. I've found info on the web for 
> > > this but I'm not having any joy.
> > > This
> > > is a code snippet of what I have.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > strConnect = "Provider=SQLOLEDB;Data Source=FRGRAAPP02;Initial 
> > > Catalog=TALEG_CI;IntegratedSecurity=SSPI;"
> > >
> > > tdf.Connect = strConnect
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > where tdf is defined as DAO.Tabledef and is sitting on a table 
> > > definition of a table currently linked to an MDB. The code fails, 
> > > however, with "Error Attaching tablename". Can anyone see what I'm 
> > > doing wrong? The Data Source is the server name and TALEG_CI is 
> > > the SQL Database which has no security on it. We're wanting to use 
> > > Windows authentication.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Help please. I really need this.
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Fri Jun  1 09:49:10 2012
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2012 07:49:10 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OLEDB connection string - Help please
In-Reply-To: <2035975388.78952.1338553922210.JavaMail.open-xchange@email.1and1.co.uk>
References: <4FC7CAF5.3010403@colbyconsulting.com><CAMhYZWbx2NGNPNBTpxVKxvyBqANnZrU9eiiOtcVvM9SQqWPZBQ@mail.gmail.com><4FC7E757.903@colbyconsulting.com><CAMhYZWb_gVmdCGCOAF6PjSjWjdBWAorr1wbyZSsDC8zXAA4oWQ@mail.gmail.com><4FC826EA.8040609@colbyconsulting.com><CAMhYZWadTyJa3tO=ubqP8NuP50-fsi1x_mAke1Vce+PdR5tVKw@mail.gmail.com><1458778720.56151.1338534366094.JavaMail.open-xchange@email.1and1.co.uk><1217924785.56619.1338535032372.JavaMail.open-xchange@email.1and1.co.uk>
	<2035975388.78952.1338553922210.JavaMail.open-xchange@email.1and1.co.uk>
Message-ID: <ADDC5E565243433C9447A45129A0C8DC@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Hi Andy:

Have you gone through all the basics? Sometimes the connection strings are
not wrong and it could just be that the connection is not working.

Have you tried to "ping" or "net" the connector via IP address and name, at
the command prompt?

ping 24.123.456.5 or ping mydatabase.com
...and...
net view and net use t: \\MyServer\MyShare 
...and...
net use s: \\MyServer\MyShare\ MyPassword /user:MyUsername /persistent:no 
...or...
net use s: \\192.168.199.210\MyShare\ MyPassword /user:MyUsername
/persistent:no

To remove test: net use s: /delete

Once you are sure you can see and connect on a basic level then you will
feel more confident that you know you DB BE is there.

HTH
Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andrew Lacey
Sent: Friday, June 01, 2012 5:32 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OLEDB connection string - Help please

Heeeeellllllpppp please


On 01 June 2012 at 08:17 Andrew Lacey <andy at minstersystems.co.uk> wrote:

> Sorry, the error I'm getting is actually "Could not find installable
ISAM".
>
> Andy
>
>
> On 01 June 2012 at 08:06 Andrew Lacey <andy at minstersystems.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > Morning all
> >
> >
> >
> > I know I'm late to this but I'm trying to setup an OLEDB connection
string
> > to
> > SQL Server. I've found info on the web for this but I'm not having any
joy.
> > This
> > is a code snippet of what I have.
> >
> >
> >
> > strConnect = "Provider=SQLOLEDB;Data Source=FRGRAAPP02;Initial
> > Catalog=TALEG_CI;IntegratedSecurity=SSPI;"
> >
> > tdf.Connect = strConnect
> >
> >
> >
> > where tdf is defined as DAO.Tabledef and is sitting on a table
definition of
> > a
> > table currently linked to an MDB. The code fails, however, with "Error
> > Attaching
> > tablename". Can anyone see what I'm doing wrong? The Data Source is the
> > server
> > name and TALEG_CI is the SQL Database which has no security on it. We're
> > wanting
> > to use Windows authentication.
> >
> >
> >
> > Help please. I really need this.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> >
> >
> > Andy
> > --
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From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Fri Jun  1 10:06:04 2012
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andrew Lacey)
Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2012 16:06:04 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [AccessD] OLEDB connection string - Help please
In-Reply-To: <ADDC5E565243433C9447A45129A0C8DC@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <4FC7CAF5.3010403@colbyconsulting.com><CAMhYZWbx2NGNPNBTpxVKxvyBqANnZrU9eiiOtcVvM9SQqWPZBQ@mail.gmail.com><4FC7E757.903@colbyconsulting.com><CAMhYZWb_gVmdCGCOAF6PjSjWjdBWAorr1wbyZSsDC8zXAA4oWQ@mail.gmail.com><4FC826EA.8040609@colbyconsulting.com><CAMhYZWadTyJa3tO=ubqP8NuP50-fsi1x_mAke1Vce+PdR5tVKw@mail.gmail.com><1458778720.56151.1338534366094.JavaMail.open-xchange@email.1and1.co.uk><1217924785.56619.1338535032372.JavaMail.open-xchange@email.1and1.co.uk>
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Oh it's there alright. I'm working with it fine using ODBC. Just want to switch
to OLEDB.

Andy


On 01 June 2012 at 15:49 Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:

> Hi Andy:
>
> Have you gone through all the basics? Sometimes the connection strings are
> not wrong and it could just be that the connection is not working.
>
> Have you tried to "ping" or "net" the connector via IP address and name, at
> the command prompt?
>
> ping 24.123.456.5 or ping mydatabase.com
> ...and...
> net view and net use t: \\MyServer\MyShare
> ...and...
> net use s: \\MyServer\MyShare\ MyPassword /user:MyUsername /persistent:no
> ...or...
> net use s: \\192.168.199.210\MyShare\ MyPassword /user:MyUsername
> /persistent:no
>
> To remove test: net use s: /delete
>
> Once you are sure you can see and connect on a basic level then you will
> feel more confident that you know you DB BE is there.
>
> HTH
> Jim
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andrew Lacey
> Sent: Friday, June 01, 2012 5:32 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OLEDB connection string - Help please
>
> Heeeeellllllpppp please
>
>
> On 01 June 2012 at 08:17 Andrew Lacey <andy at minstersystems.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > Sorry, the error I'm getting is actually "Could not find installable
> ISAM".
> >
> > Andy
> >
> >
> > On 01 June 2012 at 08:06 Andrew Lacey <andy at minstersystems.co.uk> wrote:
> >
> > > Morning all
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I know I'm late to this but I'm trying to setup an OLEDB connection
> string
> > > to
> > > SQL Server. I've found info on the web for this but I'm not having any
> joy.
> > > This
> > > is a code snippet of what I have.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > strConnect = "Provider=SQLOLEDB;Data Source=FRGRAAPP02;Initial
> > > Catalog=TALEG_CI;IntegratedSecurity=SSPI;"
> > >
> > > tdf.Connect = strConnect
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > where tdf is defined as DAO.Tabledef and is sitting on a table
> definition of
> > > a
> > > table currently linked to an MDB. The code fails, however, with "Error
> > > Attaching
> > > tablename". Can anyone see what I'm doing wrong? The Data Source is the
> > > server
> > > name and TALEG_CI is the SQL Database which has no security on it. We're
> > > wanting
> > > to use Windows authentication.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Help please. I really need this.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Cheers
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Andy
> > > --
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> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
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From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Fri Jun  1 10:07:11 2012
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andrew Lacey)
Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2012 16:07:11 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [AccessD] OLEDB connection string
In-Reply-To: <4B6A8FDC89C6470DBE4AFE991BBCC980@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <4FC7CAF5.3010403@colbyconsulting.com><CAMhYZWbx2NGNPNBTpxVKxvyBqANnZrU9eiiOtcVvM9SQqWPZBQ@mail.gmail.com><4FC7E757.903@colbyconsulting.com><CAMhYZWb_gVmdCGCOAF6PjSjWjdBWAorr1wbyZSsDC8zXAA4oWQ@mail.gmail.com><4FC826EA.8040609@colbyconsulting.com><CAMhYZWadTyJa3tO=ubqP8NuP50-fsi1x_mAke1Vce+PdR5tVKw@mail.gmail.com>
	<1458778720.56151.1338534366094.JavaMail.open-xchange@email.1and1.co.uk>
	<4B6A8FDC89C6470DBE4AFE991BBCC980@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <1566120714.88048.1338563231655.JavaMail.open-xchange@email.1and1.co.uk>

Funnily enough it's where I got the original string from. But this "installable
ISAM" error is stopping me

Andy


On 01 June 2012 at 15:35 Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:

> Hi Andrew:
>
> Check out this site/page for examples: http://www.connectionstrings.com/
>
> Jim
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andrew Lacey
> Sent: Friday, June 01, 2012 12:06 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] OLEDB connection string
>
> Morning all
>
>
>
> I know I'm late to this but I'm trying to setup an OLEDB connection string
> to
> SQL Server. I've found info on the web for this but I'm not having any joy.
> This
> is a code snippet of what I have.
>
>
>
> strConnect = "Provider=SQLOLEDB;Data Source=FRGRAAPP02;Initial
> Catalog=TALEG_CI;IntegratedSecurity=SSPI;"
>
> tdf.Connect = strConnect
>
>
>
> where tdf is defined as DAO.Tabledef and is sitting on a table definition of
> a
> table currently linked to an MDB. The code fails, however, with "Error
> Attaching
> tablename". Can anyone see what I'm doing wrong? The Data Source is the
> server
> name and TALEG_CI is the SQL Database which has no security on it. We're
> wanting
> to use Windows authentication.
>
>
>
> Help please. I really need this.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Cheers
>
>
>
> Andy
> --
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From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Fri Jun  1 10:08:15 2012
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andrew Lacey)
Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2012 16:08:15 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [AccessD] OLEDB connection string - Help please
In-Reply-To: <022801cd4004$ddb5d2e0$992178a0$@mattysconsulting.com>
References: <4FC7CAF5.3010403@colbyconsulting.com>	<CAMhYZWbx2NGNPNBTpxVKxvyBqANnZrU9eiiOtcVvM9SQqWPZBQ@mail.gmail.com>	<4FC7E757.903@colbyconsulting.com>	<CAMhYZWb_gVmdCGCOAF6PjSjWjdBWAorr1wbyZSsDC8zXAA4oWQ@mail.gmail.com>	<4FC826EA.8040609@colbyconsulting.com>	<CAMhYZWadTyJa3tO=ubqP8NuP50-fsi1x_mAke1Vce+PdR5tVKw@mail.gmail.com>	<1458778720.56151.1338534366094.JavaMail.open-xchange@email.1and1.co.uk>	<1217924785.56619.1338535032372.JavaMail.open-xchange@email.1and1.co.uk>	<2035975388.78952.1338553922210.JavaMail.open-xchange@email.1and1.co.uk>	<020f01cd3ff8$16f69330$44e3b990$@mattysconsulting.com>
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Thansk michael, will play with that over the weekend

Andy


On 01 June 2012 at 15:43 Michael Mattys <michael at mattysconsulting.com> wrote:

> I don't know, but I've found that sqlncli.msi helps sometimes.
> http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/details.aspx?id=16177
>
> Michael R Mattys
> Mattys Consulting, LLC
> www.mattysconsulting.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andrew Lacey
> Sent: Friday, June 01, 2012 10:11 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OLEDB connection string - Help please
>
> Hi Michael
> thanks for responding. Yes I can get the connect string in the immediate
> window.
> It's currently using ODBC but I'm desperately trying to switch to OLEDB in
> order to avoid all of the ODBC setup. It's the .refreshLink after the
> .Connect = which gives the "Could not find installable ISAM" error. I don't
> know how to cure that. Google found an MS rpage which said a registry ntry
> was wrong but the correct one is exactly what I already have.
>
> Andy
>
>
> On 01 June 2012 at 14:11 Michael Mattys <michael at mattysconsulting.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Andy,
> >
> > Can you type in the Immediate Window
> > Currentdb.TableDefs("TableName").Connect?
> >
> > Are you using Management Studio?
> > Someone on the web suggested restarting the service, if that's
> > possible for you.
> >
> > Michael R Mattys
> > Mattys Consulting, LLC
> > www.mattysconsulting.com
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andrew
> > Lacey
> > Sent: Friday, June 01, 2012 8:32 AM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] OLEDB connection string - Help please
> >
> > Heeeeellllllpppp please
> >
> >
> > On 01 June 2012 at 08:17 Andrew Lacey <andy at minstersystems.co.uk> wrote:
> >
> > > Sorry, the error I'm getting is actually "Could not find installable
> > ISAM".
> > >
> > > Andy
> > >
> > >
> > > On 01 June 2012 at 08:06 Andrew Lacey <andy at minstersystems.co.uk> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Morning all
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I know I'm late to this but I'm trying to setup an OLEDB
> > > > connection string to SQL Server. I've found info on the web for
> > > > this but I'm not having any joy.
> > > > This
> > > > is a code snippet of what I have.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > strConnect = "Provider=SQLOLEDB;Data Source=FRGRAAPP02;Initial
> > > > Catalog=TALEG_CI;IntegratedSecurity=SSPI;"
> > > >
> > > > tdf.Connect = strConnect
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > where tdf is defined as DAO.Tabledef and is sitting on a table
> > > > definition of a table currently linked to an MDB. The code fails,
> > > > however, with "Error Attaching tablename". Can anyone see what I'm
> > > > doing wrong? The Data Source is the server name and TALEG_CI is
> > > > the SQL Database which has no security on it. We're wanting to use
> > > > Windows authentication.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Help please. I really need this.
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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Fri Jun  1 10:58:32 2012
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2012 11:58:32 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Jet SP8 for Windows 7-64
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1gpky4XZpMK9=bky6a3QowTMoAPKPR8KLr-qc93SPrLCg@mail.gmail.com>

I'm having no luck locating a version of Jet Service Pack 8 to install on
Windows 7-64 bit. Actually I run a dual boot setup, with two instances of
Windows 7-64. one of which contains Office 2007 and the other contains
Office 2003 (so I can do some work on an old app written in that). Does
anybody know where to get it, or have a copy you could send off-list to me?

TIA,

-- 
Arthur
Cell: 647.710.1314

Prediction is difficult, especially of the future.
  -- Niels Bohr

From davidmcafee at gmail.com  Fri Jun  1 10:59:17 2012
From: davidmcafee at gmail.com (David McAfee)
Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2012 08:59:17 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OLEDB connection string
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References: <4FC7CAF5.3010403@colbyconsulting.com>
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	<4FC7E757.903@colbyconsulting.com>
	<CAMhYZWb_gVmdCGCOAF6PjSjWjdBWAorr1wbyZSsDC8zXAA4oWQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<4FC826EA.8040609@colbyconsulting.com>
	<CAMhYZWadTyJa3tO=ubqP8NuP50-fsi1x_mAke1Vce+PdR5tVKw@mail.gmail.com>
	<1458778720.56151.1338534366094.JavaMail.open-xchange@email.1and1.co.uk>
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Right click on your desktop.
Choose New->text document

Rename the file something like test.udl (removing the .txt suffix)

Confirm the change of file extension

Double click the test.udl file you just created.

The connection tab should already be chosen, choose the server in the top
drop down.
Enter the username and password (up to you if you want to check the save
password box)

Choose the database in the bottom drop down.

Test connection.

Press OK.

Open the UDL file in Notepad to see your connection string.


HTH
David


On Fri, Jun 1, 2012 at 12:06 AM, Andrew Lacey <andy at minstersystems.co.uk>wrote:

> Morning all
>
>
>
> I know I'm late to this but I'm trying to setup an OLEDB connection string
> to
> SQL Server. I've found info on the web for this but I'm not having any
> joy. This
> is a code snippet of what I have.
>
>
>
> strConnect = "Provider=SQLOLEDB;Data Source=FRGRAAPP02;Initial
> Catalog=TALEG_CI;IntegratedSecurity=SSPI;"
>
> tdf.Connect = strConnect
>
>
>
> where tdf is defined as DAO.Tabledef and is sitting on a table definition
> of a
> table currently linked to an MDB. The code fails, however, with "Error
> Attaching
> tablename". Can anyone see what I'm doing wrong? The Data Source is the
> server
> name and TALEG_CI is the SQL Database which has no security on it. We're
> wanting
> to use Windows authentication.
>
>
>
> Help please. I really need this.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Cheers
>
>
>
> Andy
> --
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> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>

From dbdoug at gmail.com  Fri Jun  1 11:22:41 2012
From: dbdoug at gmail.com (Doug Steele)
Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2012 09:22:41 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Jet SP8 for Windows 7-64
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1gpky4XZpMK9=bky6a3QowTMoAPKPR8KLr-qc93SPrLCg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1gpky4XZpMK9=bky6a3QowTMoAPKPR8KLr-qc93SPrLCg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAFa8NkjG6a0kCRwZjSRiy=-GEHognXPCFbTfFFxLJtUUMmyDSQ@mail.gmail.com>

I'm curious as to why you want it.  According to Microsoft,
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/239114, it is quite out of date:

"If you are running Windows Vista, you have a later version of Jet 4.0 than
the version that is included with Jet 4.0 SP8."

I checked the version of msjet40.dll that I have installed on a Windows
7/64 VM and it is 4.00.9756.0.  The SP8 version is 4.0.8015

Doug


On Fri, Jun 1, 2012 at 8:58 AM, Arthur Fuller <fuller.artful at gmail.com>wrote:

> I'm having no luck locating a version of Jet Service Pack 8 to install on
> Windows 7-64 bit. Actually I run a dual boot setup, with two instances of
> Windows 7-64. one of which contains Office 2007 and the other contains
> Office 2003 (so I can do some work on an old app written in that). Does
> anybody know where to get it, or have a copy you could send off-list to me?
>
> TIA,
>
> --
> Arthur
> Cell: 647.710.1314
>
> Prediction is difficult, especially of the future.
>  -- Niels Bohr
> --
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>

From accessd at shaw.ca  Fri Jun  1 11:40:25 2012
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2012 09:40:25 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OLEDB connection string - Help please
In-Reply-To: <372797716.87994.1338563164605.JavaMail.open-xchange@email.1and1.co.uk>
References: <4FC7CAF5.3010403@colbyconsulting.com><CAMhYZWbx2NGNPNBTpxVKxvyBqANnZrU9eiiOtcVvM9SQqWPZBQ@mail.gmail.com><4FC7E757.903@colbyconsulting.com><CAMhYZWb_gVmdCGCOAF6PjSjWjdBWAorr1wbyZSsDC8zXAA4oWQ@mail.gmail.com><4FC826EA.8040609@colbyconsulting.com><CAMhYZWadTyJa3tO=ubqP8NuP50-fsi1x_mAke1Vce+PdR5tVKw@mail.gmail.com><1458778720.56151.1338534366094.JavaMail.open-xchange@email.1and1.co.uk><1217924785.56619.1338535032372.JavaMail.open-xchange@email.1and1.co.uk><2035975388.78952.1338553922210.JavaMail.open-xchange@email.1and1.co.uk><ADDC5E565243433C9447A45129A0C8DC@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<372797716.87994.1338563164605.JavaMail.open-xchange@email.1and1.co.uk>
Message-ID: <3B431F0D81BA40FF908F5DFA1F6C34D4@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Hi Andy:

Your ODBC file component, that you created and connected via your ODBC data
source administrator, should have a UDL extension. To expose the actual
connection string, that can be used, with the subsequent OLEDB connection,
either read the file with Notepad or change the extension to TXT.

Jim 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andrew Lacey
Sent: Friday, June 01, 2012 8:06 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OLEDB connection string - Help please

Oh it's there alright. I'm working with it fine using ODBC. Just want to
switch
to OLEDB.

Andy


On 01 June 2012 at 15:49 Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:

> Hi Andy:
>
> Have you gone through all the basics? Sometimes the connection strings are
> not wrong and it could just be that the connection is not working.
>
> Have you tried to "ping" or "net" the connector via IP address and name,
at
> the command prompt?
>
> ping 24.123.456.5 or ping mydatabase.com
> ...and...
> net view and net use t: \\MyServer\MyShare
> ...and...
> net use s: \\MyServer\MyShare\ MyPassword /user:MyUsername /persistent:no
> ...or...
> net use s: \\192.168.199.210\MyShare\ MyPassword /user:MyUsername
> /persistent:no
>
> To remove test: net use s: /delete
>
> Once you are sure you can see and connect on a basic level then you will
> feel more confident that you know you DB BE is there.
>
> HTH
> Jim
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andrew Lacey
> Sent: Friday, June 01, 2012 5:32 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OLEDB connection string - Help please
>
> Heeeeellllllpppp please
>
>
> On 01 June 2012 at 08:17 Andrew Lacey <andy at minstersystems.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > Sorry, the error I'm getting is actually "Could not find installable
> ISAM".
> >
> > Andy
> >
> >
> > On 01 June 2012 at 08:06 Andrew Lacey <andy at minstersystems.co.uk> wrote:
> >
> > > Morning all
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I know I'm late to this but I'm trying to setup an OLEDB connection
> string
> > > to
> > > SQL Server. I've found info on the web for this but I'm not having any
> joy.
> > > This
> > > is a code snippet of what I have.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > strConnect = "Provider=SQLOLEDB;Data Source=FRGRAAPP02;Initial
> > > Catalog=TALEG_CI;IntegratedSecurity=SSPI;"
> > >
> > > tdf.Connect = strConnect
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > where tdf is defined as DAO.Tabledef and is sitting on a table
> definition of
> > > a
> > > table currently linked to an MDB. The code fails, however, with "Error
> > > Attaching
> > > tablename". Can anyone see what I'm doing wrong? The Data Source is
the
> > > server
> > > name and TALEG_CI is the SQL Database which has no security on it.
We're
> > > wanting
> > > to use Windows authentication.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Help please. I really need this.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Cheers
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Andy
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From jimdettman at verizon.net  Fri Jun  1 13:01:55 2012
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2012 14:01:55 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Jet SP8 for Windows 7-64
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1gpky4XZpMK9=bky6a3QowTMoAPKPR8KLr-qc93SPrLCg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1gpky4XZpMK9=bky6a3QowTMoAPKPR8KLr-qc93SPrLCg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9746DB8F83AD4E4A834DBB9266AA8906@XPS>


 There will be no 64 bit version of JET nor drivers for it, although I'm
trying to remember; I think someone found a back-handed way of getting 64
bit ODBC drivers for JET.

 ACE will be it though on 64 bit as far as Microsoft is concerned.

Jim.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Friday, June 01, 2012 11:59 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Jet SP8 for Windows 7-64

I'm having no luck locating a version of Jet Service Pack 8 to install on
Windows 7-64 bit. Actually I run a dual boot setup, with two instances of
Windows 7-64. one of which contains Office 2007 and the other contains
Office 2003 (so I can do some work on an old app written in that). Does
anybody know where to get it, or have a copy you could send off-list to me?

TIA,

-- 
Arthur
Cell: 647.710.1314

Prediction is difficult, especially of the future.
  -- Niels Bohr
-- 
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From jimdettman at verizon.net  Fri Jun  1 13:02:59 2012
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2012 14:02:59 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Jet SP8 for Windows 7-64
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1gpky4XZpMK9=bky6a3QowTMoAPKPR8KLr-qc93SPrLCg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1gpky4XZpMK9=bky6a3QowTMoAPKPR8KLr-qc93SPrLCg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <EB733BD3939C4322881D7FF5B310DB71@XPS>


 BTW, as long as you stick with 32 bit Office, your fine under a 64 bit OS.
Your only SOL if you use 64 bit Office.

Jim. 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Friday, June 01, 2012 11:59 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Jet SP8 for Windows 7-64

I'm having no luck locating a version of Jet Service Pack 8 to install on
Windows 7-64 bit. Actually I run a dual boot setup, with two instances of
Windows 7-64. one of which contains Office 2007 and the other contains
Office 2003 (so I can do some work on an old app written in that). Does
anybody know where to get it, or have a copy you could send off-list to me?

TIA,

-- 
Arthur
Cell: 647.710.1314

Prediction is difficult, especially of the future.
  -- Niels Bohr
-- 
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From Benson at ge.com  Fri Jun  1 13:13:12 2012
From: Benson at ge.com (Benson, William (GE Global Research, consultant))
Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2012 18:13:12 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Urgent query help needed
Message-ID: <93D10F008B998B4A83BCA855A33EEF372C7FA16F@CINMBCNA01.e2k.ad.ge.com>

Urgently need some help reforming this query. The error message I am getting is that this operation is not allowed in subqueries.



select * 
from CMF 
WHERE  DUNS_NUMBER in 
                ('CAT280669','CAT267663','969801062','832747997','832747997',
          '832747997','832747997','824603229','808109941','600010862','338329211',
          '338329211','325550361','325550361','089506492','081735875',
          '059006937','059006937','059006937','024745853','006901995')

union 

Select * 
from CMF 
Where DUNS_NUMBER in
        (SELECT CHILD_CUSTOMER_DUNS 
                  FROM  customer_hierarchy 
                  where parent_customer_duns in 
                ('CAT280669','CAT267663','969801062','832747997','832747997',
          '832747997','832747997','824603229','808109941','600010862','338329211',
          '338329211','325550361','325550361','089506492','081735875',
          '059006937','059006937','059006937','024745853','006901995')
         UNION 
                 SELECT parent_customer_duns 
         FROM  customer_hierarchy 
                 where CHILD_CUSTOMER_DUNS in 
                ('CAT280669','CAT267663','969801062','832747997','832747997',
          '832747997','832747997','824603229','808109941','600010862','338329211',
          '338329211','325550361','325550361','089506492','081735875',
          '059006937','059006937','059006937','024745853','006901995')
)


From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Fri Jun  1 13:59:42 2012
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2012 14:59:42 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Jet SP8 for Windows 7-64
In-Reply-To: <EB733BD3939C4322881D7FF5B310DB71@XPS>
References: <CAEPJO1gpky4XZpMK9=bky6a3QowTMoAPKPR8KLr-qc93SPrLCg@mail.gmail.com>
	<EB733BD3939C4322881D7FF5B310DB71@XPS>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1jD9sWFAyZGXG0_QNZ+Av=0VACuOPDeOutMHbg-090ctg@mail.gmail.com>

Ok, I'm way behind on this loop. I've been spending more and more time
exploring Mint Linux and less and less time in various versions of Windows.
What I can tell you is this:

1. I made a dual-boot system, both boots = Windows 7-64 bit.
2. The second of these has only Office 2003 installed, so I can develop
against that version.
3. Every time I open any MDB on this boot, I get a sequence of messages.
Apparently I can ignore all of these, and proceed into the MDB and thence
continue developing.
4. It would be preferable to make these messages go away forever, and
instead just come in clean without messages etc.

A.

On Fri, Jun 1, 2012 at 2:02 PM, Jim Dettman <jimdettman at verizon.net> wrote:

>
>  BTW, as long as you stick with 32 bit Office, your fine under a 64 bit OS.
> Your only SOL if you use 64 bit Office.
>
> Jim.
>
>

From jimdettman at verizon.net  Fri Jun  1 14:06:52 2012
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2012 15:06:52 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Jet SP8 for Windows 7-64
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1jD9sWFAyZGXG0_QNZ+Av=0VACuOPDeOutMHbg-090ctg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1gpky4XZpMK9=bky6a3QowTMoAPKPR8KLr-qc93SPrLCg@mail.gmail.com>
	<EB733BD3939C4322881D7FF5B310DB71@XPS>
	<CAEPJO1jD9sWFAyZGXG0_QNZ+Av=0VACuOPDeOutMHbg-090ctg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <DC7E9E5411DE4D3DB938AB4BC005BADF@XPS>

 <<4. It would be preferable to make these messages go away forever, and
instead just come in clean without messages etc.>>

 and the message(s) is?  Should work fine with no messages.

Jim.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Friday, June 01, 2012 03:00 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Jet SP8 for Windows 7-64

Ok, I'm way behind on this loop. I've been spending more and more time
exploring Mint Linux and less and less time in various versions of Windows.
What I can tell you is this:

1. I made a dual-boot system, both boots = Windows 7-64 bit.
2. The second of these has only Office 2003 installed, so I can develop
against that version.
3. Every time I open any MDB on this boot, I get a sequence of messages.
Apparently I can ignore all of these, and proceed into the MDB and thence
continue developing.
4. It would be preferable to make these messages go away forever, and
instead just come in clean without messages etc.

A.

On Fri, Jun 1, 2012 at 2:02 PM, Jim Dettman <jimdettman at verizon.net> wrote:

>
>  BTW, as long as you stick with 32 bit Office, your fine under a 64 bit
OS.
> Your only SOL if you use 64 bit Office.
>
> Jim.
>
>
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From mcp2004 at mail.ru  Fri Jun  1 14:12:35 2012
From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=)
Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2012 23:12:35 +0400
Subject: [AccessD] =?utf-8?q?Urgent_query_help_needed?=
In-Reply-To: <93D10F008B998B4A83BCA855A33EEF372C7FA16F@CINMBCNA01.e2k.ad.ge.com>
References: <93D10F008B998B4A83BCA855A33EEF372C7FA16F@CINMBCNA01.e2k.ad.ge.com>
Message-ID: <E1SaXH1-000506-OS.mcp2004-mail-ru@f214.mail.ru>

Hi William --

You have UNION in subquery, I guess it's not allowed (I have never used it like that).

Why not use OR instead of UNION?:

...
Where DUNS_NUMBER in
        (SELECT CHILD_CUSTOMER_DUNS 
...
OR
     DUNS_NUMBER in
      (SELECT parent_customer_duns 
          FROM  customer_hierarchy 
...

HTH,

-- Shamil


Fri, 1 Jun 2012 18:13:12 +0000 ?? "Benson, William (GE Global Research, consultant)" <Benson at ge.com>:
> Urgently need some help reforming this query. The error message I am getting is that this operation is not allowed in subqueries.
> 
> 
> 
> select * 
> from CMF 
> WHERE  DUNS_NUMBER in 
>                 ('CAT280669','CAT267663','969801062','832747997','832747997',
>           '832747997','832747997','824603229','808109941','600010862','338329211',
>           '338329211','325550361','325550361','089506492','081735875',
>           '059006937','059006937','059006937','024745853','006901995')
> 
> union 
> 
> Select * 
> from CMF 
> Where DUNS_NUMBER in
>         (SELECT CHILD_CUSTOMER_DUNS 
>                   FROM  customer_hierarchy 
>                   where parent_customer_duns in 
>                 ('CAT280669','CAT267663','969801062','832747997','832747997',
>           '832747997','832747997','824603229','808109941','600010862','338329211',
>           '338329211','325550361','325550361','089506492','081735875',
>           '059006937','059006937','059006937','024745853','006901995')
>          UNION 
>                  SELECT parent_customer_duns 
>          FROM  customer_hierarchy 
>                  where CHILD_CUSTOMER_DUNS in 
>                 ('CAT280669','CAT267663','969801062','832747997','832747997',
>           '832747997','832747997','824603229','808109941','600010862','338329211',
>           '338329211','325550361','325550361','089506492','081735875',
>           '059006937','059006937','059006937','024745853','006901995')
> )
> 
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> 


From garykjos at gmail.com  Fri Jun  1 14:40:14 2012
From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos)
Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2012 14:40:14 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Jet SP8 for Windows 7-64
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1jD9sWFAyZGXG0_QNZ+Av=0VACuOPDeOutMHbg-090ctg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1gpky4XZpMK9=bky6a3QowTMoAPKPR8KLr-qc93SPrLCg@mail.gmail.com>
	<EB733BD3939C4322881D7FF5B310DB71@XPS>
	<CAEPJO1jD9sWFAyZGXG0_QNZ+Av=0VACuOPDeOutMHbg-090ctg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAJ2R_pKvkXTbXWdH-GQMG+pk8Ep55To8J21YXWQjx4QYschkjw@mail.gmail.com>

In Access 2003 to get rid of the startup message warning you of
impending doom if you continue,

Try going to

Tools/Macros/Security/Security Level

and select LOW.

GK

On Fri, Jun 1, 2012 at 1:59 PM, Arthur Fuller <fuller.artful at gmail.com> wrote:
> Ok, I'm way behind on this loop. I've been spending more and more time
> exploring Mint Linux and less and less time in various versions of Windows.
> What I can tell you is this:
>
> 1. I made a dual-boot system, both boots = Windows 7-64 bit.
> 2. The second of these has only Office 2003 installed, so I can develop
> against that version.
> 3. Every time I open any MDB on this boot, I get a sequence of messages.
> Apparently I can ignore all of these, and proceed into the MDB and thence
> continue developing.
> 4. It would be preferable to make these messages go away forever, and
> instead just come in clean without messages etc.
>
> A.
>
> On Fri, Jun 1, 2012 at 2:02 PM, Jim Dettman <jimdettman at verizon.net> wrote:
>
>>
>> ?BTW, as long as you stick with 32 bit Office, your fine under a 64 bit OS.
>> Your only SOL if you use 64 bit Office.
>>
>> Jim.
>>
>>
> --
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> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com



-- 
Gary Kjos
garykjos at gmail.com


From Benson at ge.com  Fri Jun  1 14:42:33 2012
From: Benson at ge.com (Benson, William (GE Global Research, consultant))
Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2012 19:42:33 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Urgent query help needed
In-Reply-To: <E1SaXH1-000506-OS.mcp2004-mail-ru@f214.mail.ru>
References: <93D10F008B998B4A83BCA855A33EEF372C7FA16F@CINMBCNA01.e2k.ad.ge.com>
	<E1SaXH1-000506-OS.mcp2004-mail-ru@f214.mail.ru>
Message-ID: <93D10F008B998B4A83BCA855A33EEF372C7FA294@CINMBCNA01.e2k.ad.ge.com>

Worked!! Thank you so much!

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Salakhetdinov Shamil
Sent: Friday, June 01, 2012 3:13 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Urgent query help needed

Hi William --

You have UNION in subquery, I guess it's not allowed (I have never used it like that).

Why not use OR instead of UNION?:

...
Where DUNS_NUMBER in
        (SELECT CHILD_CUSTOMER_DUNS 
...
OR
     DUNS_NUMBER in
      (SELECT parent_customer_duns 
          FROM  customer_hierarchy 
...

HTH,

-- Shamil


Fri, 1 Jun 2012 18:13:12 +0000 ?? "Benson, William (GE Global Research, consultant)" <Benson at ge.com>:
> Urgently need some help reforming this query. The error message I am getting is that this operation is not allowed in subqueries.
> 
> 
> 
> select * 
> from CMF 
> WHERE  DUNS_NUMBER in 
>                 ('CAT280669','CAT267663','969801062','832747997','832747997',
>           '832747997','832747997','824603229','808109941','600010862','338329211',
>           '338329211','325550361','325550361','089506492','081735875',
>           '059006937','059006937','059006937','024745853','006901995')
> 
> union 
> 
> Select * 
> from CMF 
> Where DUNS_NUMBER in
>         (SELECT CHILD_CUSTOMER_DUNS 
>                   FROM  customer_hierarchy 
>                   where parent_customer_duns in 
>                 ('CAT280669','CAT267663','969801062','832747997','832747997',
>           '832747997','832747997','824603229','808109941','600010862','338329211',
>           '338329211','325550361','325550361','089506492','081735875',
>           '059006937','059006937','059006937','024745853','006901995')
>          UNION 
>                  SELECT parent_customer_duns 
>          FROM  customer_hierarchy 
>                  where CHILD_CUSTOMER_DUNS in 
>                 ('CAT280669','CAT267663','969801062','832747997','832747997',
>           '832747997','832747997','824603229','808109941','600010862','338329211',
>           '338329211','325550361','325550361','089506492','081735875',
>           '059006937','059006937','059006937','024745853','006901995')
> )
> 
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Fri Jun  1 14:51:32 2012
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2012 12:51:32 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] The wonderful thing about Linux...
In-Reply-To: <7C6666C0-82E0-4509-90A4-45D8AC6B8374@phulse.com>
References: <CAEPJO1gPgjgYPaNjU023GShZxUoDnzDr5_S5-4jR_PkQTQdZoQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<7C6666C0-82E0-4509-90A4-45D8AC6B8374@phulse.com>
Message-ID: <3452E8D9E2FE463F8C4FCEA2378ADF51@creativesystemdesigns.com>

With the arrival of these new little Linux Raspberry PI, options to tinker
play and automate everything in and around your house or even business is a
possibilty.

You are going to have to learn how to use Python
(http://wiki.python.org/moin/BeginnersGuide/NonProgrammers), and that will
take a couple of weeks to master or at least become dangerious with.

http://www.linuxinsider.com/rsstory/75259.html

With the new Raspberry PIs, on there way we can all become kids again. ;-)

Jim 


From tinanfields at torchlake.com  Fri Jun  1 14:53:57 2012
From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields)
Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2012 15:53:57 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] RasperryPi on order
In-Reply-To: <4FC826EA.8040609@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4FC7CAF5.3010403@colbyconsulting.com>
	<CAMhYZWbx2NGNPNBTpxVKxvyBqANnZrU9eiiOtcVvM9SQqWPZBQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<4FC7E757.903@colbyconsulting.com>
	<CAMhYZWb_gVmdCGCOAF6PjSjWjdBWAorr1wbyZSsDC8zXAA4oWQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<4FC826EA.8040609@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <4FC91DD5.4000505@torchlake.com>

Well, I thought I was already on their registration list, but I have 
heard nothing for the longest time.  So, I used your link and registered 
- possibly again - I got back a confirmation of my registration, so 
perhaps all is well.  I'll be interested to know about your experience 
with the Pi, so please be sure to post.
Best,
T

Tina Norris Fields
tinanfields at torchlake.com
231-322-2787


On 5/31/2012 10:20 PM, jwcolby wrote:
> http://www.raspberrypi.org/faqs
>
> http://uk.rs-online.com/web/generalDisplay.html?id=raspberrypi
>
> I got mine through RS Components.  You basically get on a waiting 
> list.  They seem to be getting lots of about 10K boards and selling 
> them through to the next 10K people on the list.
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
>
> Reality is what refuses to go away
> when you do not believe in it
>
> On 5/31/2012 7:37 PM, David McAfee wrote:
>> I know you've posted the link before, but can you post it again?
>>
>> I went to http://www.raspberrypi.org but I didn't see any ordering info.
>>
>> I've been recently playing with parallax Basic stamps and looking at 
>> their
>> propeller series.
>>
>> http://www.parallax.com/ProductInfo/Microcontrollers/tabid/121/Default.aspx 
>>
>>
>> The pi looks much more powerful for some of the projects that I am 
>> planning.
>>
>> D
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 2:49 PM, 
>> jwcolby<jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>wrote:
>>
>>>>> $6 after taxes for the Pi and a 4 gb flash with the software
>>> preinstalled.
>>>
>>> LOL, I wish.  ~$60.  $35 (plus tax) for the Pi and $15 (plus tax) 
>>> for the
>>> flash card, plus shipping.
>>>
>>> Got some hearts a fluttering out there eh?
>>>
>>>
>>> John W. Colby
>>> Colby Consulting
>>>
>>> Reality is what refuses to go away
>>> when you do not believe in it
>>>
>>> On 5/31/2012 3:53 PM, David McAfee wrote:
>>>
>>>> $6?
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 12:48 PM, 
>>>> jwcolby<jwcolby@**colbyconsulting.com<jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>   I got my invite to order today.  $6 after taxes for the Pi and a 
>>>> 4 gb
>>>>> flash with the software preinstalled.  "ships in 6 weeks", from 
>>>>> England,
>>>>> standard post.
>>>>>
>>>>> I should see it end of summer sometime.
>>>>>
>>>>> -- 
>>>>> John W. Colby
>>>>> Colby Consulting
>>>>>
>>>>> Reality is what refuses to go away
>>>>> when you do not believe in it
>>>>>
>>>>> -- 
>>>>> AccessD mailing list
>>>>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>>>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/****mailman/listinfo/accessd<http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/accessd> 
>>>>>
>>>>> <http:**//databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/accessd<http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd> 
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.****com<http://www.**
>>>>> databaseadvisors.com<http://www.databaseadvisors.com>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>

From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Fri Jun  1 15:53:33 2012
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2012 16:53:33 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Jet SP8 for Windows 7-64
In-Reply-To: <CAJ2R_pKvkXTbXWdH-GQMG+pk8Ep55To8J21YXWQjx4QYschkjw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1gpky4XZpMK9=bky6a3QowTMoAPKPR8KLr-qc93SPrLCg@mail.gmail.com>
	<EB733BD3939C4322881D7FF5B310DB71@XPS>
	<CAEPJO1jD9sWFAyZGXG0_QNZ+Av=0VACuOPDeOutMHbg-090ctg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAJ2R_pKvkXTbXWdH-GQMG+pk8Ep55To8J21YXWQjx4QYschkjw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1hWWamC7uV0XY3HKAaFw2HzyCCuN7+Xv4AbU2AiiwoYEQ@mail.gmail.com>

That worked. Thanks! Since I am the only user on this box, and the firewall
is up, I guess that it's relatively safe.

On Fri, Jun 1, 2012 at 3:40 PM, Gary Kjos <garykjos at gmail.com> wrote:

> In Access 2003 to get rid of the startup message warning you of
> impending doom if you continue,
>
> Try going to
>
> Tools/Macros/Security/Security Level
>
> and select LOW.
>
> GK
>
>

From marksimms at verizon.net  Fri Jun  1 18:57:46 2012
From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms)
Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2012 19:57:46 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Dvorak's rant on Windows 8
Message-ID: <009701cd4052$581835d0$0848a170$@net>

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/microsoft-reinvents-the-wheel-with-windows-
8-2012-06-01?dist=afterbell

 

He's usually correct.

Hard to believe Balmer and company are about to blow it again.


From davidmcafee at gmail.com  Fri Jun  1 19:04:26 2012
From: davidmcafee at gmail.com (David McAfee)
Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2012 17:04:26 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Dvorak's rant on Windows 8
In-Reply-To: <009701cd4052$581835d0$0848a170$@net>
References: <009701cd4052$581835d0$0848a170$@net>
Message-ID: <CAMhYZWa3iQzc=-xJzMXurStLTdfiLde-_2zB6dKXFUfxjdqJLA@mail.gmail.com>

Wow, pretty my my same feelings.




On Fri, Jun 1, 2012 at 4:57 PM, Mark Simms <marksimms at verizon.net> wrote:

>
> http://www.marketwatch.com/story/microsoft-reinvents-the-wheel-with-windows-
> 8-2012-06-01?dist=afterbell
>
>
>
> He's usually correct.
>
> Hard to believe Balmer and company are about to blow it again.
>
> --
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> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>

From accessd at shaw.ca  Fri Jun  1 19:50:26 2012
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2012 17:50:26 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Dvorak's rant on Windows 8
In-Reply-To: <009701cd4052$581835d0$0848a170$@net>
References: <009701cd4052$581835d0$0848a170$@net>
Message-ID: <072C9067187B46A9A8D642B22AADF10E@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Well, that is about as ruthless of a rant as I have heard against W8.

Jim 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Simms
Sent: Friday, June 01, 2012 4:58 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Dvorak's rant on Windows 8

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/microsoft-reinvents-the-wheel-with-windows-
8-2012-06-01?dist=afterbell

 

He's usually correct.

Hard to believe Balmer and company are about to blow it again.

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From hans.andersen at phulse.com  Fri Jun  1 20:04:50 2012
From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen)
Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2012 18:04:50 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Dvorak's rant on Windows 8
In-Reply-To: <072C9067187B46A9A8D642B22AADF10E@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <009701cd4052$581835d0$0848a170$@net>
	<072C9067187B46A9A8D642B22AADF10E@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <42408D60-3501-4987-941D-C67EFC6E4CA2@phulse.com>

What? Worse than mine? ;)

- Hans

Sent from my iPhone

On 2012-06-01, at 5:50 PM, "Jim Lawrence" <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:

> Well, that is about as ruthless of a rant as I have heard against W8.
> 
> Jim 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Simms
> Sent: Friday, June 01, 2012 4:58 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: [AccessD] Dvorak's rant on Windows 8
> 
> http://www.marketwatch.com/story/microsoft-reinvents-the-wheel-with-windows-
> 8-2012-06-01?dist=afterbell
> 
> 
> 
> He's usually correct.
> 
> Hard to believe Balmer and company are about to blow it again.
> 
> -- 
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> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
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> 
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> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com


From accessd at shaw.ca  Fri Jun  1 20:30:53 2012
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2012 18:30:53 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Dvorak's rant on Windows 8
In-Reply-To: <42408D60-3501-4987-941D-C67EFC6E4CA2@phulse.com>
References: <009701cd4052$581835d0$0848a170$@net><072C9067187B46A9A8D642B22AADF10E@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<42408D60-3501-4987-941D-C67EFC6E4CA2@phulse.com>
Message-ID: <4346E5416E76439B95304B099E2B2B13@creativesystemdesigns.com>

He's being paid to rant and you're not; He's been a recent advocate of
Microsoft and you haven't been for years. ;-)

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Hans-Christian
Andersen
Sent: Friday, June 01, 2012 6:05 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Dvorak's rant on Windows 8

What? Worse than mine? ;)

- Hans

Sent from my iPhone

On 2012-06-01, at 5:50 PM, "Jim Lawrence" <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:

> Well, that is about as ruthless of a rant as I have heard against W8.
> 
> Jim 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Simms
> Sent: Friday, June 01, 2012 4:58 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: [AccessD] Dvorak's rant on Windows 8
> 
>
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/microsoft-reinvents-the-wheel-with-windows-
> 8-2012-06-01?dist=afterbell
> 
> 
> 
> He's usually correct.
> 
> Hard to believe Balmer and company are about to blow it again.
> 
> -- 
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> 
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From hans.andersen at phulse.com  Fri Jun  1 21:29:43 2012
From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen)
Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2012 19:29:43 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Dvorak's rant on Windows 8
In-Reply-To: <4346E5416E76439B95304B099E2B2B13@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <009701cd4052$581835d0$0848a170$@net>
	<072C9067187B46A9A8D642B22AADF10E@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<42408D60-3501-4987-941D-C67EFC6E4CA2@phulse.com>
	<4346E5416E76439B95304B099E2B2B13@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <7EE116D5-1094-4B81-9439-EFF9E00AFA00@phulse.com>

That's not true.

I had plenty of nice things to say about Windows 7 (the best version of Windows Microsoft has managed to push to date) and SQL Server 2008 R2 (very fast).

And just because I'm not paid to publish my opinions about things, doesn't make them any less valid. :) I was way ahead of him, as you well remember ;)


- Hans

Sent from my iPhone

On 2012-06-01, at 6:30 PM, "Jim Lawrence" <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:

> He's being paid to rant and you're not; He's been a recent advocate of
> Microsoft and you haven't been for years. ;-)
> 
> Jim
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Hans-Christian
> Andersen
> Sent: Friday, June 01, 2012 6:05 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Dvorak's rant on Windows 8
> 
> What? Worse than mine? ;)
> 
> - Hans
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On 2012-06-01, at 5:50 PM, "Jim Lawrence" <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:
> 
>> Well, that is about as ruthless of a rant as I have heard against W8.
>> 
>> Jim 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Simms
>> Sent: Friday, June 01, 2012 4:58 PM
>> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>> Subject: [AccessD] Dvorak's rant on Windows 8
>> 
>> 
> http://www.marketwatch.com/story/microsoft-reinvents-the-wheel-with-windows-
>> 8-2012-06-01?dist=afterbell
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> He's usually correct.
>> 
>> Hard to believe Balmer and company are about to blow it again.
>> 
>> -- 
>> AccessD mailing list
>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>> 
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>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 
> -- 
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From charlotte.foust at gmail.com  Fri Jun  1 21:33:24 2012
From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2012 19:33:24 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Dvorak's rant on Windows 8
In-Reply-To: <009701cd4052$581835d0$0848a170$@net>
References: <009701cd4052$581835d0$0848a170$@net>
Message-ID: <CAH+Met9dv+EcQ7+WDctvwuXsq4TNJ8oZ_7FEH+0QGA60Jv1ytQ@mail.gmail.com>

My own experience with an android tablet suggests to me that I keep far
away from Windows 8.  I love my smartphone (android gingerbread) but I
definitely don't love the honeycomb OS on my tablet.  I can't find things,
I can't put things where I want them, and I have to go through layers of
pretty to get to anything.  As for usability, I can take notes and compose
documents on my phone, but my tablet jumps erractically from one place to
another and I'm suddenly trying to type in another location!  Trying to
select a block of text is beyond frustration, it's absurd.

Thanks guys, but I think I'll pass on metro in all its various
presentations.

Charlotte Foust

On Fri, Jun 1, 2012 at 4:57 PM, Mark Simms <marksimms at verizon.net> wrote:

>
> http://www.marketwatch.com/story/microsoft-reinvents-the-wheel-with-windows-
> 8-2012-06-01?dist=afterbell<http://www.marketwatch.com/story/microsoft-reinvents-the-wheel-with-windows-8-2012-06-01?dist=afterbell>
>
>
>
>
>
> He's usually correct.
>
> Hard to believe Balmer and company are about to blow it again.
>
> --
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> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>
>
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>
>

From accessd at shaw.ca  Fri Jun  1 22:08:51 2012
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2012 20:08:51 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Dvorak's rant on Windows 8
In-Reply-To: <7EE116D5-1094-4B81-9439-EFF9E00AFA00@phulse.com>
References: <009701cd4052$581835d0$0848a170$@net><072C9067187B46A9A8D642B22AADF10E@creativesystemdesigns.com><42408D60-3501-4987-941D-C67EFC6E4CA2@phulse.com><4346E5416E76439B95304B099E2B2B13@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<7EE116D5-1094-4B81-9439-EFF9E00AFA00@phulse.com>
Message-ID: <FD71B67AA4CB496D979AEBF13254345F@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Ha ha ha.... ;-)

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Hans-Christian
Andersen
Sent: Friday, June 01, 2012 7:30 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Dvorak's rant on Windows 8

That's not true.

I had plenty of nice things to say about Windows 7 (the best version of
Windows Microsoft has managed to push to date) and SQL Server 2008 R2 (very
fast).

And just because I'm not paid to publish my opinions about things, doesn't
make them any less valid. :) I was way ahead of him, as you well remember ;)


- Hans

Sent from my iPhone

On 2012-06-01, at 6:30 PM, "Jim Lawrence" <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:

> He's being paid to rant and you're not; He's been a recent advocate of
> Microsoft and you haven't been for years. ;-)
> 
> Jim
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Hans-Christian
> Andersen
> Sent: Friday, June 01, 2012 6:05 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Dvorak's rant on Windows 8
> 
> What? Worse than mine? ;)
> 
> - Hans
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On 2012-06-01, at 5:50 PM, "Jim Lawrence" <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:
> 
>> Well, that is about as ruthless of a rant as I have heard against W8.
>> 
>> Jim 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Simms
>> Sent: Friday, June 01, 2012 4:58 PM
>> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>> Subject: [AccessD] Dvorak's rant on Windows 8
>> 
>> 
>
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/microsoft-reinvents-the-wheel-with-windows-
>> 8-2012-06-01?dist=afterbell
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> He's usually correct.
>> 
>> Hard to believe Balmer and company are about to blow it again.
>> 
>> -- 
>> AccessD mailing list
>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>> 
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> 
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From mcp2004 at mail.ru  Sat Jun  2 04:01:34 2012
From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=)
Date: Sat, 02 Jun 2012 13:01:34 +0400
Subject: [AccessD] =?utf-8?q?Dvorak=27s_rant_on_Windows_8?=
In-Reply-To: <009701cd4052$581835d0$0848a170$@net>
References: <009701cd4052$581835d0$0848a170$@net>
Message-ID: <E1SakDG-0001Wj-Jk.mcp2004-mail-ru@f150.mail.ru>

Hi Mark --

I suppose Mr. Dvorak is wrong. I base my supposition on my experience of using Windows Phone 7 for half a year+ - it was not that easy to adapt but I like it now, and it flies in "experienced hands". I haven't had opportunity to touch (:)) Win8 but I'd expect it should be a success for MS, on three platforms now: smart-phones, internet pads and desktops. We will see.

Thank you.

-- Shamil

P.S. My son have Android with gingerbread etc. - good, powerful, useful smart-phone but its interface looks now obsolete for me. The "battle" is only starting now...


Fri, 01 Jun 2012 19:57:46 -0400 ?? "Mark Simms" <marksimms at verizon.net>:
> http://www.marketwatch.com/story/microsoft-reinvents-the-wheel-with-windows-
> 8-2012-06-01?dist=afterbell
> 
>  
> 
> He's usually correct.
> 
> Hard to believe Balmer and company are about to blow it again.
> 
> -- 
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 


From hans.andersen at phulse.com  Sat Jun  2 05:00:03 2012
From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen)
Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2012 03:00:03 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Dvorak's rant on Windows 8
In-Reply-To: <E1SakDG-0001Wj-Jk.mcp2004-mail-ru@f150.mail.ru>
References: <009701cd4052$581835d0$0848a170$@net>
	<E1SakDG-0001Wj-Jk.mcp2004-mail-ru@f150.mail.ru>
Message-ID: <2A16EBA3-8E7A-4795-888A-2EFEF016133C@phulse.com>

Try it before you buy it!

Best regards,
Hans-Christian Andersen


On 2 Jun 2012, at 02:01, Salakhetdinov Shamil <mcp2004 at mail.ru> wrote:

> Hi Mark --
> 
> I suppose Mr. Dvorak is wrong. I base my supposition on my experience of using Windows Phone 7 for half a year+ - it was not that easy to adapt but I like it now, and it flies in "experienced hands". I haven't had opportunity to touch (:)) Win8 but I'd expect it should be a success for MS, on three platforms now: smart-phones, internet pads and desktops. We will see.
> 
> Thank you.
> 
> -- Shamil
> 
> P.S. My son have Android with gingerbread etc. - good, powerful, useful smart-phone but its interface looks now obsolete for me. The "battle" is only starting now...
> 
> 
> Fri, 01 Jun 2012 19:57:46 -0400 ?? "Mark Simms" <marksimms at verizon.net>:
>> http://www.marketwatch.com/story/microsoft-reinvents-the-wheel-with-windows-
>> 8-2012-06-01?dist=afterbell
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> He's usually correct.
>> 
>> Hard to believe Balmer and company are about to blow it again.
>> 
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From ab-mi at post3.tele.dk  Sat Jun  2 05:47:25 2012
From: ab-mi at post3.tele.dk (Asger Blond)
Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2012 12:47:25 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] The wonderful thing about Linux...
In-Reply-To: <3452E8D9E2FE463F8C4FCEA2378ADF51@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <CAEPJO1gPgjgYPaNjU023GShZxUoDnzDr5_S5-4jR_PkQTQdZoQ@mail.gmail.com><7C6666C0-82E0-4509-90A4-45D8AC6B8374@phulse.com>
	<3452E8D9E2FE463F8C4FCEA2378ADF51@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <A1AA78940921437EB7B697E99056D5BD@abpc>

For those of you using SqueezeBox Server to play music this might be of interest:

http://squeezeplug.de/

Just 10 days ago I bought a Sheeva Multi Boot plug computer from NewIT (size 110mm x 69.5 mm x 48.5 mm) to run my SqueezeBox server. 

Works fine: I can select my music from an iPad without a noisy and power consuming computer or NAS turned on. The plug is absolutely noiseless and consumes about 5 watt/hour.

But had I waited just a few more days I could have used the above link to install the server on Raspberry PI (size of a credit card)...

Now I have to put up with a devise which already seems old and clumsy...

 

Only consolation: maybe the grapes are sour, said

Asger

 

 

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Jim Lawrence
Sendt: 1. juni 2012 21:52
Til: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'; 'Off Topic'; 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Emne: [AccessD] The wonderful thing about Linux...

 

With the arrival of these new little Linux Raspberry PI, options to tinker

play and automate everything in and around your house or even business is a

possibilty.

 

You are going to have to learn how to use Python

(http://wiki.python.org/moin/BeginnersGuide/NonProgrammers), and that will

take a couple of weeks to master or at least become dangerious with.

 

http://www.linuxinsider.com/rsstory/75259.html

 

With the new Raspberry PIs, on there way we can all become kids again. ;-)

 

Jim 

 

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From BradM at blackforestltd.com  Sat Jun  2 08:47:16 2012
From: BradM at blackforestltd.com (Brad Marks)
Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2012 08:47:16 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Extra Page of Access Report Always Printed on Just One PC
References: <CAEPJO1gPgjgYPaNjU023GShZxUoDnzDr5_S5-4jR_PkQTQdZoQ@mail.gmail.com><7C6666C0-82E0-4509-90A4-45D8AC6B8374@phulse.com>
	<3452E8D9E2FE463F8C4FCEA2378ADF51@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C59FEB58@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>

All,

We have a strange problem that I cannot resolve even  after spending several hours working on it.

We have an Access 2007 application that prints a small report that is usually 1 page.  On one PC, an extra page is *always* printed.  I have connected a alternative printer and it still prints the extra page.

I have trimmed the report down a great deal (less than 7 inches wide) and it still prints the extra page. 

The version of the application is the same on all PCs.

Does anyone have ideas on how to debug this problem?

Thanks,
Brad

From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sat Jun  2 09:10:18 2012
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Sat, 02 Jun 2012 10:10:18 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Raspberry Pi
In-Reply-To: <A1AA78940921437EB7B697E99056D5BD@abpc>
References: <CAEPJO1gPgjgYPaNjU023GShZxUoDnzDr5_S5-4jR_PkQTQdZoQ@mail.gmail.com><7C6666C0-82E0-4509-90A4-45D8AC6B8374@phulse.com>
	<3452E8D9E2FE463F8C4FCEA2378ADF51@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<A1AA78940921437EB7B697E99056D5BD@abpc>
Message-ID: <4FCA1ECA.80903@colbyconsulting.com>

I have read a lot of "it's too slow" comments from the (PC using) press, and I expect that is true. 
  The general consensus is that it is the equivalent of a 1995 PC, in terms of processing power and 
memory.  However it has an outsized video processor.  If that video processor can be put to work as 
a general processor then we could have some awesome applications.  Likewise, throw a small SSD on a 
usb port and you have an instant, pretty fast, pretty large storage.

What I expect to really happen is the Linux community to rally and bring back the tightly coded apps 
that used to be so common on Linux.  This thing only has 256 Megs of RAM with no RAM expansion 
possible so what ya get is what ya get.  However there is a huge community building as we speak.  My 
hope is that something like the old Commodore 64 happens - huge sales, rabid fan base, lots of apps, 
lots of fun.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it


From paul.hartland at googlemail.com  Sat Jun  2 09:33:02 2012
From: paul.hartland at googlemail.com (Paul Hartland)
Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2012 15:33:02 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Extra Page of Access Report Always Printed on Just
	One PC
In-Reply-To: <E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C59FEB58@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
References: <CAEPJO1gPgjgYPaNjU023GShZxUoDnzDr5_S5-4jR_PkQTQdZoQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<7C6666C0-82E0-4509-90A4-45D8AC6B8374@phulse.com>
	<3452E8D9E2FE463F8C4FCEA2378ADF51@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C59FEB58@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
Message-ID: <CALGJE94xRSXLffF3FFw73BQ5u4kv99O0LNjsjKDwksHqh8NyuQ@mail.gmail.com>

Just a thought, and I assume you have done this.  Have you checked the
printer settings on the PC to ensure they are exactly the same as the
printer settings on the other pc's that work just fine ?

Paul

On 2 June 2012 14:47, Brad Marks <BradM at blackforestltd.com> wrote:

> All,
>
> We have a strange problem that I cannot resolve even  after spending
> several hours working on it.
>
> We have an Access 2007 application that prints a small report that is
> usually 1 page.  On one PC, an extra page is *always* printed.  I have
> connected a alternative printer and it still prints the extra page.
>
> I have trimmed the report down a great deal (less than 7 inches wide) and
> it still prints the extra page.
>
> The version of the application is the same on all PCs.
>
> Does anyone have ideas on how to debug this problem?
>
> Thanks,
> Brad
>
> --
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> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>


-- 
Paul Hartland
paul.hartland at googlemail.com

From accessd at shaw.ca  Sat Jun  2 12:37:59 2012
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2012 10:37:59 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] The wonderful thing about Linux...
In-Reply-To: <A1AA78940921437EB7B697E99056D5BD@abpc>
References: <CAEPJO1gPgjgYPaNjU023GShZxUoDnzDr5_S5-4jR_PkQTQdZoQ@mail.gmail.com><7C6666C0-82E0-4509-90A4-45D8AC6B8374@phulse.com><3452E8D9E2FE463F8C4FCEA2378ADF51@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<A1AA78940921437EB7B697E99056D5BD@abpc>
Message-ID: <14352B027524483CB587B33182969966@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Very interesting...will tag this. 

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Asger Blond
Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2012 3:47 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] The wonderful thing about Linux...

For those of you using SqueezeBox Server to play music this might be of
interest:

http://squeezeplug.de/

Just 10 days ago I bought a Sheeva Multi Boot plug computer from NewIT (size
110mm x 69.5 mm x 48.5 mm) to run my SqueezeBox server. 

Works fine: I can select my music from an iPad without a noisy and power
consuming computer or NAS turned on. The plug is absolutely noiseless and
consumes about 5 watt/hour.

But had I waited just a few more days I could have used the above link to
install the server on Raspberry PI (size of a credit card)...

Now I have to put up with a devise which already seems old and clumsy...

 

Only consolation: maybe the grapes are sour, said

Asger

 

 

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Jim Lawrence
Sendt: 1. juni 2012 21:52
Til: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'; 'Off Topic'; 'Access
Developers discussion and problem solving'
Emne: [AccessD] The wonderful thing about Linux...

 

With the arrival of these new little Linux Raspberry PI, options to tinker

play and automate everything in and around your house or even business is a

possibilty.

 

You are going to have to learn how to use Python

(http://wiki.python.org/moin/BeginnersGuide/NonProgrammers), and that will

take a couple of weeks to master or at least become dangerious with.

 

http://www.linuxinsider.com/rsstory/75259.html

 

With the new Raspberry PIs, on there way we can all become kids again. ;-)

 

Jim 

 

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From accessd at shaw.ca  Sat Jun  2 12:45:26 2012
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2012 10:45:26 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Raspberry Pi
In-Reply-To: <4FCA1ECA.80903@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <CAEPJO1gPgjgYPaNjU023GShZxUoDnzDr5_S5-4jR_PkQTQdZoQ@mail.gmail.com><7C6666C0-82E0-4509-90A4-45D8AC6B8374@phulse.com><3452E8D9E2FE463F8C4FCEA2378ADF51@creativesystemdesigns.com><A1AA78940921437EB7B697E99056D5BD@abpc>
	<4FCA1ECA.80903@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <C72D4B4100654FE2965802D732FC7D31@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Hi John:

Note, that Python is the language that is built in to the compile OS on the
Raspberry PI. That is the same language that our list are built on, via the
work of Bryan Carbonnell...the language is very powerful.

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2012 7:10 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Raspberry Pi

I have read a lot of "it's too slow" comments from the (PC using) press, and
I expect that is true. 
  The general consensus is that it is the equivalent of a 1995 PC, in terms
of processing power and 
memory.  However it has an outsized video processor.  If that video
processor can be put to work as 
a general processor then we could have some awesome applications.  Likewise,
throw a small SSD on a 
usb port and you have an instant, pretty fast, pretty large storage.

What I expect to really happen is the Linux community to rally and bring
back the tightly coded apps 
that used to be so common on Linux.  This thing only has 256 Megs of RAM
with no RAM expansion 
possible so what ya get is what ya get.  However there is a huge community
building as we speak.  My 
hope is that something like the old Commodore 64 happens - huge sales, rabid
fan base, lots of apps, 
lots of fun.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

-- 
AccessD mailing list
AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com


From hans.andersen at phulse.com  Sat Jun  2 13:26:49 2012
From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen)
Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2012 11:26:49 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] The wonderful thing about Linux...
In-Reply-To: <14352B027524483CB587B33182969966@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <CAEPJO1gPgjgYPaNjU023GShZxUoDnzDr5_S5-4jR_PkQTQdZoQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<7C6666C0-82E0-4509-90A4-45D8AC6B8374@phulse.com>
	<3452E8D9E2FE463F8C4FCEA2378ADF51@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<A1AA78940921437EB7B697E99056D5BD@abpc>
	<14352B027524483CB587B33182969966@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <CAFj0BAxas5rjnzaM3SP1MEnJ44dCa3CN4o20pZX1o8MZ-ex4ig@mail.gmail.com>

Very cool. I used to have to set this up manually on my old pogoplug and
can take a bit of fiddling with to get right. want a RasPI !

Hans
*

*


On 2 June 2012 10:37, Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:

> Very interesting...will tag this.
>
> Jim
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Asger Blond
> Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2012 3:47 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] The wonderful thing about Linux...
>
> For those of you using SqueezeBox Server to play music this might be of
> interest:
>
> http://squeezeplug.de/
>
> Just 10 days ago I bought a Sheeva Multi Boot plug computer from NewIT
> (size
> 110mm x 69.5 mm x 48.5 mm) to run my SqueezeBox server.
>
> Works fine: I can select my music from an iPad without a noisy and power
> consuming computer or NAS turned on. The plug is absolutely noiseless and
> consumes about 5 watt/hour.
>
> But had I waited just a few more days I could have used the above link to
> install the server on Raspberry PI (size of a credit card)...
>
> Now I have to put up with a devise which already seems old and clumsy...
>
>
>
> Only consolation: maybe the grapes are sour, said
>
> Asger
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
> Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Jim Lawrence
> Sendt: 1. juni 2012 21:52
> Til: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'; 'Off Topic'; 'Access
> Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Emne: [AccessD] The wonderful thing about Linux...
>
>
>
> With the arrival of these new little Linux Raspberry PI, options to tinker
>
> play and automate everything in and around your house or even business is a
>
> possibilty.
>
>
>
> You are going to have to learn how to use Python
>
> (http://wiki.python.org/moin/BeginnersGuide/NonProgrammers), and that will
>
> take a couple of weeks to master or at least become dangerious with.
>
>
>
> http://www.linuxinsider.com/rsstory/75259.html
>
>
>
> With the new Raspberry PIs, on there way we can all become kids again. ;-)
>
>
>
> Jim
>
>
>
> --
>
> AccessD mailing list
>
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>
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> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>

From hans.andersen at phulse.com  Sat Jun  2 15:03:27 2012
From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen)
Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2012 13:03:27 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Raspberry Pi
In-Reply-To: <4FCA1ECA.80903@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <CAEPJO1gPgjgYPaNjU023GShZxUoDnzDr5_S5-4jR_PkQTQdZoQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<7C6666C0-82E0-4509-90A4-45D8AC6B8374@phulse.com>
	<3452E8D9E2FE463F8C4FCEA2378ADF51@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<A1AA78940921437EB7B697E99056D5BD@abpc>
	<4FCA1ECA.80903@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <CAFj0BAwmVdBe2iCPotQgwcoQet1kCXaFEWF50ajE+m0VfkdJbw@mail.gmail.com>

I've been running a server with far less CPU power and the same amount of
memory just fine for all my home needs. Media server, file server, web
server, time server, etc. The essential linux apps are tightly coded. Linux
is very lean and fast in of itself. It's when you are dealing with desktop
applications that you start to see bloat. I would not suggest installing a
desktop on the RasPI, unless you go for something very minimalist like XFCE
or OpenBox or, even better, Xmonad. (I really wish the Crunchbang distro
would run on ARM!)

But, personally, I would avoid all that GUI stuff. Using a command line is
far superior anyhow.

Hans


On 2 June 2012 07:10, jwcolby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:

> I have read a lot of "it's too slow" comments from the (PC using) press,
> and I expect that is true.  The general consensus is that it is the
> equivalent of a 1995 PC, in terms of processing power and memory.  However
> it has an outsized video processor.  If that video processor can be put to
> work as a general processor then we could have some awesome applications.
>  Likewise, throw a small SSD on a usb port and you have an instant, pretty
> fast, pretty large storage.
>
> What I expect to really happen is the Linux community to rally and bring
> back the tightly coded apps that used to be so common on Linux.  This thing
> only has 256 Megs of RAM with no RAM expansion possible so what ya get is
> what ya get.  However there is a huge community building as we speak.  My
> hope is that something like the old Commodore 64 happens - huge sales,
> rabid fan base, lots of apps, lots of fun.
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
>
> Reality is what refuses to go away
> when you do not believe in it
>
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/accessd<http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd>
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.**com<http://www.databaseadvisors.com>
>

From hans.andersen at phulse.com  Sat Jun  2 15:11:51 2012
From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen)
Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2012 13:11:51 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Raspberry Pi
In-Reply-To: <CAFj0BAwmVdBe2iCPotQgwcoQet1kCXaFEWF50ajE+m0VfkdJbw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1gPgjgYPaNjU023GShZxUoDnzDr5_S5-4jR_PkQTQdZoQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<7C6666C0-82E0-4509-90A4-45D8AC6B8374@phulse.com>
	<3452E8D9E2FE463F8C4FCEA2378ADF51@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<A1AA78940921437EB7B697E99056D5BD@abpc>
	<4FCA1ECA.80903@colbyconsulting.com>
	<CAFj0BAwmVdBe2iCPotQgwcoQet1kCXaFEWF50ajE+m0VfkdJbw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAFj0BAxnR8L83CUZ3AMV-Xn0sP8-8AkP06jPKqHqx1EYKnQ2=A@mail.gmail.com>

Btw, the server I mentioned I was using is a Pogoplug (v2) with an ARMv5te
(ARM9) cpu and 256 mb ram, whereas RasPi has an ARM11 cpu. Plus it also
does video output, while the pogoplug is just a box with usb ports and an
ethernet port. It's quite easy to brick, I found.

Hans





On 2 June 2012 13:03, Hans-Christian Andersen <hans.andersen at phulse.com>wrote:

>
> I've been running a server with far less CPU power and the same amount of
> memory just fine for all my home needs. Media server, file server, web
> server, time server, etc. The essential linux apps are tightly coded. Linux
> is very lean and fast in of itself. It's when you are dealing with desktop
> applications that you start to see bloat. I would not suggest installing a
> desktop on the RasPI, unless you go for something very minimalist like XFCE
> or OpenBox or, even better, Xmonad. (I really wish the Crunchbang distro
> would run on ARM!)
>
> But, personally, I would avoid all that GUI stuff. Using a command line is
> far superior anyhow.
>
> Hans
>
>
>
> On 2 June 2012 07:10, jwcolby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
>
>> I have read a lot of "it's too slow" comments from the (PC using) press,
>> and I expect that is true.  The general consensus is that it is the
>> equivalent of a 1995 PC, in terms of processing power and memory.  However
>> it has an outsized video processor.  If that video processor can be put to
>> work as a general processor then we could have some awesome applications.
>>  Likewise, throw a small SSD on a usb port and you have an instant, pretty
>> fast, pretty large storage.
>>
>> What I expect to really happen is the Linux community to rally and bring
>> back the tightly coded apps that used to be so common on Linux.  This thing
>> only has 256 Megs of RAM with no RAM expansion possible so what ya get is
>> what ya get.  However there is a huge community building as we speak.  My
>> hope is that something like the old Commodore 64 happens - huge sales,
>> rabid fan base, lots of apps, lots of fun.
>>
>> John W. Colby
>> Colby Consulting
>>
>> Reality is what refuses to go away
>> when you do not believe in it
>>
>> --
>> AccessD mailing list
>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>> http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/accessd<http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd>
>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.**com<http://www.databaseadvisors.com>
>>
>
>

From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sat Jun  2 18:44:05 2012
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Sat, 02 Jun 2012 19:44:05 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Raspberry Pi
In-Reply-To: <CAFj0BAxnR8L83CUZ3AMV-Xn0sP8-8AkP06jPKqHqx1EYKnQ2=A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1gPgjgYPaNjU023GShZxUoDnzDr5_S5-4jR_PkQTQdZoQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<7C6666C0-82E0-4509-90A4-45D8AC6B8374@phulse.com>
	<3452E8D9E2FE463F8C4FCEA2378ADF51@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<A1AA78940921437EB7B697E99056D5BD@abpc>
	<4FCA1ECA.80903@colbyconsulting.com>
	<CAFj0BAwmVdBe2iCPotQgwcoQet1kCXaFEWF50ajE+m0VfkdJbw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAFj0BAxnR8L83CUZ3AMV-Xn0sP8-8AkP06jPKqHqx1EYKnQ2=A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4FCAA545.5010301@colbyconsulting.com>

 >>It's quite easy to brick, I found.

That will be a Pi advantage, impossible to brick.



John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 6/2/2012 4:11 PM, Hans-Christian Andersen wrote:
> Btw, the server I mentioned I was using is a Pogoplug (v2) with an ARMv5te
> (ARM9) cpu and 256 mb ram, whereas RasPi has an ARM11 cpu. Plus it also
> does video output, while the pogoplug is just a box with usb ports and an
> ethernet port. It's quite easy to brick, I found.
>
> Hans
>
>
>
>
>
> On 2 June 2012 13:03, Hans-Christian Andersen<hans.andersen at phulse.com>wrote:
>
>>
>> I've been running a server with far less CPU power and the same amount of
>> memory just fine for all my home needs. Media server, file server, web
>> server, time server, etc. The essential linux apps are tightly coded. Linux
>> is very lean and fast in of itself. It's when you are dealing with desktop
>> applications that you start to see bloat. I would not suggest installing a
>> desktop on the RasPI, unless you go for something very minimalist like XFCE
>> or OpenBox or, even better, Xmonad. (I really wish the Crunchbang distro
>> would run on ARM!)
>>
>> But, personally, I would avoid all that GUI stuff. Using a command line is
>> far superior anyhow.
>>
>> Hans
>>
>>
>>
>> On 2 June 2012 07:10, jwcolby<jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>  wrote:
>>
>>> I have read a lot of "it's too slow" comments from the (PC using) press,
>>> and I expect that is true.  The general consensus is that it is the
>>> equivalent of a 1995 PC, in terms of processing power and memory.  However
>>> it has an outsized video processor.  If that video processor can be put to
>>> work as a general processor then we could have some awesome applications.
>>>   Likewise, throw a small SSD on a usb port and you have an instant, pretty
>>> fast, pretty large storage.
>>>
>>> What I expect to really happen is the Linux community to rally and bring
>>> back the tightly coded apps that used to be so common on Linux.  This thing
>>> only has 256 Megs of RAM with no RAM expansion possible so what ya get is
>>> what ya get.  However there is a huge community building as we speak.  My
>>> hope is that something like the old Commodore 64 happens - huge sales,
>>> rabid fan base, lots of apps, lots of fun.
>>>
>>> John W. Colby
>>> Colby Consulting
>>>
>>> Reality is what refuses to go away
>>> when you do not believe in it
>>>
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>>>
>>
>>


From hans.andersen at phulse.com  Sat Jun  2 22:54:42 2012
From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen)
Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2012 20:54:42 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Raspberry Pi
In-Reply-To: <4FCAA545.5010301@colbyconsulting.com>
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	<3452E8D9E2FE463F8C4FCEA2378ADF51@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<A1AA78940921437EB7B697E99056D5BD@abpc>
	<4FCA1ECA.80903@colbyconsulting.com>
	<CAFj0BAwmVdBe2iCPotQgwcoQet1kCXaFEWF50ajE+m0VfkdJbw@mail.gmail.com>
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Absolutely, which is why I'm longing for one so I can switch to an open device. Other (open) plug machines are great, but all pricier than RasPI. I just happened to get the pogo plug for $40 at a sale, so i bought a few, but now I've bricked one and the remaining one I'll be reverting to its former closed firmware, turning it back into a simple private cloud storage device, which is still really cool.

Hans


On 2012-06-02, at 4:44 PM, jwcolby wrote:

> >>It's quite easy to brick, I found.
> 
> That will be a Pi advantage, impossible to brick.
> 
> 
> 
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
> 
> Reality is what refuses to go away
> when you do not believe in it
> 
> On 6/2/2012 4:11 PM, Hans-Christian Andersen wrote:
>> Btw, the server I mentioned I was using is a Pogoplug (v2) with an ARMv5te
>> (ARM9) cpu and 256 mb ram, whereas RasPi has an ARM11 cpu. Plus it also
>> does video output, while the pogoplug is just a box with usb ports and an
>> ethernet port. It's quite easy to brick, I found.
>> 
>> Hans
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 2 June 2012 13:03, Hans-Christian Andersen<hans.andersen at phulse.com>wrote:
>> 
>>> 
>>> I've been running a server with far less CPU power and the same amount of
>>> memory just fine for all my home needs. Media server, file server, web
>>> server, time server, etc. The essential linux apps are tightly coded. Linux
>>> is very lean and fast in of itself. It's when you are dealing with desktop
>>> applications that you start to see bloat. I would not suggest installing a
>>> desktop on the RasPI, unless you go for something very minimalist like XFCE
>>> or OpenBox or, even better, Xmonad. (I really wish the Crunchbang distro
>>> would run on ARM!)
>>> 
>>> But, personally, I would avoid all that GUI stuff. Using a command line is
>>> far superior anyhow.
>>> 
>>> Hans
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 2 June 2012 07:10, jwcolby<jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>  wrote:
>>> 
>>>> I have read a lot of "it's too slow" comments from the (PC using) press,
>>>> and I expect that is true.  The general consensus is that it is the
>>>> equivalent of a 1995 PC, in terms of processing power and memory.  However
>>>> it has an outsized video processor.  If that video processor can be put to
>>>> work as a general processor then we could have some awesome applications.
>>>>  Likewise, throw a small SSD on a usb port and you have an instant, pretty
>>>> fast, pretty large storage.
>>>> 
>>>> What I expect to really happen is the Linux community to rally and bring
>>>> back the tightly coded apps that used to be so common on Linux.  This thing
>>>> only has 256 Megs of RAM with no RAM expansion possible so what ya get is
>>>> what ya get.  However there is a huge community building as we speak.  My
>>>> hope is that something like the old Commodore 64 happens - huge sales,
>>>> rabid fan base, lots of apps, lots of fun.
>>>> 
>>>> John W. Colby
>>>> Colby Consulting
>>>> 
>>>> Reality is what refuses to go away
>>>> when you do not believe in it
>>>> 
>>>> --
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>>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.**com<http://www.databaseadvisors.com>
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
> 
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From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Sun Jun  3 06:00:30 2012
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2012 12:00:30 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] OLEDB connection string
In-Reply-To: <CAMhYZWb8zOYDRUF2Ejvr9HtgH2EfkcjeMd6mX5J0n1GHUkpe2w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AD17071425F8414794F9AB20B5DBEF2C@MINSTER>

Hi David
Yes I tried that method. I'm sterting to think the connection string is fine
but this "Installable ISAM..." error is preventing me applying it for some
reason. 

Thanks anyway. Appreciate the help.

Andy

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of David McAfee
Sent: 01 June 2012 16:59
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OLEDB connection string


Right click on your desktop.
Choose New->text document

Rename the file something like test.udl (removing the .txt suffix)

Confirm the change of file extension

Double click the test.udl file you just created.

The connection tab should already be chosen, choose the server in the top
drop down.
Enter the username and password (up to you if you want to check the save
password box)

Choose the database in the bottom drop down.

Test connection.

Press OK.

Open the UDL file in Notepad to see your connection string.


HTH
David


On Fri, Jun 1, 2012 at 12:06 AM, Andrew Lacey
<andy at minstersystems.co.uk>wrote:

> Morning all
>
>
>
> I know I'm late to this but I'm trying to setup an OLEDB connection string
> to
> SQL Server. I've found info on the web for this but I'm not having any
> joy. This
> is a code snippet of what I have.
>
>
>
> strConnect = "Provider=SQLOLEDB;Data Source=FRGRAAPP02;Initial
> Catalog=TALEG_CI;IntegratedSecurity=SSPI;"
>
> tdf.Connect = strConnect
>
>
>
> where tdf is defined as DAO.Tabledef and is sitting on a table definition
> of a
> table currently linked to an MDB. The code fails, however, with "Error
> Attaching
> tablename". Can anyone see what I'm doing wrong? The Data Source is the
> server
> name and TALEG_CI is the SQL Database which has no security on it. We're
> wanting
> to use Windows authentication.
>
>
>
> Help please. I really need this.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Cheers
>
>
>
> Andy
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From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Sun Jun  3 06:00:30 2012
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2012 12:00:30 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] OLEDB connection string - Help please
In-Reply-To: <3B431F0D81BA40FF908F5DFA1F6C34D4@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <F2E0AB163EF245519BC03E97E1AF23C1@MINSTER>

Is there any way of applying an OLEDB connection except through code?

Andy

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: 01 June 2012 17:40
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OLEDB connection string - Help please


Hi Andy:

Your ODBC file component, that you created and connected via your ODBC data
source administrator, should have a UDL extension. To expose the actual
connection string, that can be used, with the subsequent OLEDB connection,
either read the file with Notepad or change the extension to TXT.

Jim 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andrew Lacey
Sent: Friday, June 01, 2012 8:06 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OLEDB connection string - Help please

Oh it's there alright. I'm working with it fine using ODBC. Just want to
switch
to OLEDB.

Andy


On 01 June 2012 at 15:49 Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:

> Hi Andy:
>
> Have you gone through all the basics? Sometimes the connection strings are
> not wrong and it could just be that the connection is not working.
>
> Have you tried to "ping" or "net" the connector via IP address and name,
at
> the command prompt?
>
> ping 24.123.456.5 or ping mydatabase.com
> ...and...
> net view and net use t: \\MyServer\MyShare
> ...and...
> net use s: \\MyServer\MyShare\ MyPassword /user:MyUsername /persistent:no
> ...or...
> net use s: \\192.168.199.210\MyShare\ MyPassword /user:MyUsername
> /persistent:no
>
> To remove test: net use s: /delete
>
> Once you are sure you can see and connect on a basic level then you will
> feel more confident that you know you DB BE is there.
>
> HTH
> Jim
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andrew Lacey
> Sent: Friday, June 01, 2012 5:32 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OLEDB connection string - Help please
>
> Heeeeellllllpppp please
>
>
> On 01 June 2012 at 08:17 Andrew Lacey <andy at minstersystems.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > Sorry, the error I'm getting is actually "Could not find installable
> ISAM".
> >
> > Andy
> >
> >
> > On 01 June 2012 at 08:06 Andrew Lacey <andy at minstersystems.co.uk> wrote:
> >
> > > Morning all
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I know I'm late to this but I'm trying to setup an OLEDB connection
> string
> > > to
> > > SQL Server. I've found info on the web for this but I'm not having any
> joy.
> > > This
> > > is a code snippet of what I have.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > strConnect = "Provider=SQLOLEDB;Data Source=FRGRAAPP02;Initial
> > > Catalog=TALEG_CI;IntegratedSecurity=SSPI;"
> > >
> > > tdf.Connect = strConnect
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > where tdf is defined as DAO.Tabledef and is sitting on a table
> definition of
> > > a
> > > table currently linked to an MDB. The code fails, however, with "Error
> > > Attaching
> > > tablename". Can anyone see what I'm doing wrong? The Data Source is
the
> > > server
> > > name and TALEG_CI is the SQL Database which has no security on it.
We're
> > > wanting
> > > to use Windows authentication.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Help please. I really need this.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Cheers
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Andy
> > > --
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From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Sun Jun  3 06:00:30 2012
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2012 12:00:30 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] OLEDB connection string - Help please
In-Reply-To: <3B431F0D81BA40FF908F5DFA1F6C34D4@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <9C81AD9F655C4CAFA977AC0CFFE5A86A@MINSTER>

Ok, thanks Jim. Another to try.

Andy

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: 01 June 2012 17:40
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OLEDB connection string - Help please


Hi Andy:

Your ODBC file component, that you created and connected via your ODBC data
source administrator, should have a UDL extension. To expose the actual
connection string, that can be used, with the subsequent OLEDB connection,
either read the file with Notepad or change the extension to TXT.

Jim 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andrew Lacey
Sent: Friday, June 01, 2012 8:06 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OLEDB connection string - Help please

Oh it's there alright. I'm working with it fine using ODBC. Just want to
switch
to OLEDB.

Andy


On 01 June 2012 at 15:49 Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:

> Hi Andy:
>
> Have you gone through all the basics? Sometimes the connection strings are
> not wrong and it could just be that the connection is not working.
>
> Have you tried to "ping" or "net" the connector via IP address and name,
at
> the command prompt?
>
> ping 24.123.456.5 or ping mydatabase.com
> ...and...
> net view and net use t: \\MyServer\MyShare
> ...and...
> net use s: \\MyServer\MyShare\ MyPassword /user:MyUsername /persistent:no
> ...or...
> net use s: \\192.168.199.210\MyShare\ MyPassword /user:MyUsername
> /persistent:no
>
> To remove test: net use s: /delete
>
> Once you are sure you can see and connect on a basic level then you will
> feel more confident that you know you DB BE is there.
>
> HTH
> Jim
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andrew Lacey
> Sent: Friday, June 01, 2012 5:32 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OLEDB connection string - Help please
>
> Heeeeellllllpppp please
>
>
> On 01 June 2012 at 08:17 Andrew Lacey <andy at minstersystems.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > Sorry, the error I'm getting is actually "Could not find installable
> ISAM".
> >
> > Andy
> >
> >
> > On 01 June 2012 at 08:06 Andrew Lacey <andy at minstersystems.co.uk> wrote:
> >
> > > Morning all
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I know I'm late to this but I'm trying to setup an OLEDB connection
> string
> > > to
> > > SQL Server. I've found info on the web for this but I'm not having any
> joy.
> > > This
> > > is a code snippet of what I have.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > strConnect = "Provider=SQLOLEDB;Data Source=FRGRAAPP02;Initial
> > > Catalog=TALEG_CI;IntegratedSecurity=SSPI;"
> > >
> > > tdf.Connect = strConnect
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > where tdf is defined as DAO.Tabledef and is sitting on a table
> definition of
> > > a
> > > table currently linked to an MDB. The code fails, however, with "Error
> > > Attaching
> > > tablename". Can anyone see what I'm doing wrong? The Data Source is
the
> > > server
> > > name and TALEG_CI is the SQL Database which has no security on it.
We're
> > > wanting
> > > to use Windows authentication.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Help please. I really need this.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Cheers
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Andy
> > > --
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Sun Jun  3 12:17:19 2012
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2012 10:17:19 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OLEDB connection string - Help please
In-Reply-To: <F2E0AB163EF245519BC03E97E1AF23C1@MINSTER>
References: <3B431F0D81BA40FF908F5DFA1F6C34D4@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<F2E0AB163EF245519BC03E97E1AF23C1@MINSTER>
Message-ID: <0EF0713A8A0B48DB829F5552CDDC5A4A@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Hi Andy:

First you can not run OLE until you have appropriate ADO drivers. They
usually look like MSADOxx.DLL and all the components will be found in a
directory like: 
C:\Program Files\Common Files\System\ado. If you find the ancient help file,
ADODC98.CHM you know you are getting warm.
...or... the ADO.Net drivers are usually built into the .Net libraries. I am
not as familiar with this as the process is usually totally automated within
VS and I am hardly a .Net guru like some of the people on this list are. 

It should be able to be run from either any version of Access or .Net. I do
not know how to test such an connection without code other than testing the
connection using the ODBC Data Source Administrator...which is site
dependant.

Have you been able to establish a connection through the ODSA? 

Once that is done, it should be really easy to do the rest. If you are
trying to get a data stream connection to, for example your latest MS SQL
server 2008, you have to make sure that MSSQL is set to accept connections
and allow access to its databases and tables...it took me over an hour, one
time to find the check boxes, through the SQL Management studio. Nothing
like that? What are you trying to connect to?

Sorry that I can not be of more help. Maybe if I know exactly what you are
trying to do, with which application, which what data server, on which OS,
in what type of environment, that might help.

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andy Lacey
Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2012 4:01 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OLEDB connection string - Help please

Is there any way of applying an OLEDB connection except through code?

Andy

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: 01 June 2012 17:40
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OLEDB connection string - Help please


Hi Andy:

Your ODBC file component, that you created and connected via your ODBC data
source administrator, should have a UDL extension. To expose the actual
connection string, that can be used, with the subsequent OLEDB connection,
either read the file with Notepad or change the extension to TXT.

Jim 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andrew Lacey
Sent: Friday, June 01, 2012 8:06 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OLEDB connection string - Help please

Oh it's there alright. I'm working with it fine using ODBC. Just want to
switch
to OLEDB.

Andy


On 01 June 2012 at 15:49 Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:

> Hi Andy:
>
> Have you gone through all the basics? Sometimes the connection strings are
> not wrong and it could just be that the connection is not working.
>
> Have you tried to "ping" or "net" the connector via IP address and name,
at
> the command prompt?
>
> ping 24.123.456.5 or ping mydatabase.com
> ...and...
> net view and net use t: \\MyServer\MyShare
> ...and...
> net use s: \\MyServer\MyShare\ MyPassword /user:MyUsername /persistent:no
> ...or...
> net use s: \\192.168.199.210\MyShare\ MyPassword /user:MyUsername
> /persistent:no
>
> To remove test: net use s: /delete
>
> Once you are sure you can see and connect on a basic level then you will
> feel more confident that you know you DB BE is there.
>
> HTH
> Jim
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andrew Lacey
> Sent: Friday, June 01, 2012 5:32 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OLEDB connection string - Help please
>
> Heeeeellllllpppp please
>
>
> On 01 June 2012 at 08:17 Andrew Lacey <andy at minstersystems.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > Sorry, the error I'm getting is actually "Could not find installable
> ISAM".
> >
> > Andy
> >
> >
> > On 01 June 2012 at 08:06 Andrew Lacey <andy at minstersystems.co.uk> wrote:
> >
> > > Morning all
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I know I'm late to this but I'm trying to setup an OLEDB connection
> string
> > > to
> > > SQL Server. I've found info on the web for this but I'm not having any
> joy.
> > > This
> > > is a code snippet of what I have.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > strConnect = "Provider=SQLOLEDB;Data Source=FRGRAAPP02;Initial
> > > Catalog=TALEG_CI;IntegratedSecurity=SSPI;"
> > >
> > > tdf.Connect = strConnect
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > where tdf is defined as DAO.Tabledef and is sitting on a table
> definition of
> > > a
> > > table currently linked to an MDB. The code fails, however, with "Error
> > > Attaching
> > > tablename". Can anyone see what I'm doing wrong? The Data Source is
the
> > > server
> > > name and TALEG_CI is the SQL Database which has no security on it.
We're
> > > wanting
> > > to use Windows authentication.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Help please. I really need this.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Cheers
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Andy
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From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Sun Jun  3 16:59:35 2012
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2012 22:59:35 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] OLEDB connection string - Help please
In-Reply-To: <0EF0713A8A0B48DB829F5552CDDC5A4A@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <C9DBE5118F814CE498DEBF26035B6CCA@MINSTER>

Aaargh! This is driving me nuts. I've moved on and I won't bore you with the
steps and missteps but this is where I am:

1.The SQL Server db exists and I can connect to it and open tables and see
data:
- via Access with an ODBC link
- via SQL Server Management Studio

2.In both cases I can connect to the db using Windows authentication and can
open tables without being asked for any further credentials.

3.I have now got an OLEDB connection string into Access.

4.I used the .UDL method to create a connection string and put that into the
VBA code to set the connection string as "Provider=SQLOLEDB;Integrated
Security=SSPI;Persist Security Info=False;Initial Catalog=TALEG_CI;Data
Source=FRxxxxxxx" where TALEG_CI is the db and FRxxxxxxx the server.

5.The Test Connection works fine on this connection.


BUT
---
6.When I look at the properties of the table in Access design mode it shows
the connection string as 3 above but with "ODBC;" added to the start of it
which is not in the string in my code (it really, really isn't). Is this
normal? Where's it coming from? Why is Access doing this? Because I suspect
this is why point 7 occurs (although I'm happy to be told otherwise).

7.When I attempt to open any of the tables up pops  a "Select Data Source"
dialog inviting me to select an ODBC source!!!!! 



I seem to be doing everything that everyone's suggested but I cannot get
this to work and am now under pressure.

Hope someone can help me crack this.

Andy













-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: 03 June 2012 18:17
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OLEDB connection string - Help please


Hi Andy:

First you can not run OLE until you have appropriate ADO drivers. They
usually look like MSADOxx.DLL and all the components will be found in a
directory like: 
C:\Program Files\Common Files\System\ado. If you find the ancient help file,
ADODC98.CHM you know you are getting warm.
...or... the ADO.Net drivers are usually built into the .Net libraries. I am
not as familiar with this as the process is usually totally automated within
VS and I am hardly a .Net guru like some of the people on this list are. 

It should be able to be run from either any version of Access or .Net. I do
not know how to test such an connection without code other than testing the
connection using the ODBC Data Source Administrator...which is site
dependant.

Have you been able to establish a connection through the ODSA? 

Once that is done, it should be really easy to do the rest. If you are
trying to get a data stream connection to, for example your latest MS SQL
server 2008, you have to make sure that MSSQL is set to accept connections
and allow access to its databases and tables...it took me over an hour, one
time to find the check boxes, through the SQL Management studio. Nothing
like that? What are you trying to connect to?

Sorry that I can not be of more help. Maybe if I know exactly what you are
trying to do, with which application, which what data server, on which OS,
in what type of environment, that might help.

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andy Lacey
Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2012 4:01 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OLEDB connection string - Help please

Is there any way of applying an OLEDB connection except through code?

Andy

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: 01 June 2012 17:40
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OLEDB connection string - Help please


Hi Andy:

Your ODBC file component, that you created and connected via your ODBC data
source administrator, should have a UDL extension. To expose the actual
connection string, that can be used, with the subsequent OLEDB connection,
either read the file with Notepad or change the extension to TXT.

Jim 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andrew Lacey
Sent: Friday, June 01, 2012 8:06 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OLEDB connection string - Help please

Oh it's there alright. I'm working with it fine using ODBC. Just want to
switch
to OLEDB.

Andy


On 01 June 2012 at 15:49 Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:

> Hi Andy:
>
> Have you gone through all the basics? Sometimes the connection strings are
> not wrong and it could just be that the connection is not working.
>
> Have you tried to "ping" or "net" the connector via IP address and name,
at
> the command prompt?
>
> ping 24.123.456.5 or ping mydatabase.com
> ...and...
> net view and net use t: \\MyServer\MyShare
> ...and...
> net use s: \\MyServer\MyShare\ MyPassword /user:MyUsername /persistent:no
> ...or...
> net use s: \\192.168.199.210\MyShare\ MyPassword /user:MyUsername
> /persistent:no
>
> To remove test: net use s: /delete
>
> Once you are sure you can see and connect on a basic level then you will
> feel more confident that you know you DB BE is there.
>
> HTH
> Jim
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andrew Lacey
> Sent: Friday, June 01, 2012 5:32 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OLEDB connection string - Help please
>
> Heeeeellllllpppp please
>
>
> On 01 June 2012 at 08:17 Andrew Lacey <andy at minstersystems.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > Sorry, the error I'm getting is actually "Could not find installable
> ISAM".
> >
> > Andy
> >
> >
> > On 01 June 2012 at 08:06 Andrew Lacey <andy at minstersystems.co.uk> wrote:
> >
> > > Morning all
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I know I'm late to this but I'm trying to setup an OLEDB connection
> string
> > > to
> > > SQL Server. I've found info on the web for this but I'm not having any
> joy.
> > > This
> > > is a code snippet of what I have.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > strConnect = "Provider=SQLOLEDB;Data Source=FRGRAAPP02;Initial
> > > Catalog=TALEG_CI;IntegratedSecurity=SSPI;"
> > >
> > > tdf.Connect = strConnect
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > where tdf is defined as DAO.Tabledef and is sitting on a table
> definition of
> > > a
> > > table currently linked to an MDB. The code fails, however, with "Error
> > > Attaching
> > > tablename". Can anyone see what I'm doing wrong? The Data Source is
the
> > > server
> > > name and TALEG_CI is the SQL Database which has no security on it.
We're
> > > wanting
> > > to use Windows authentication.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Help please. I really need this.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Cheers
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Andy
> > > --
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From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Sun Jun  3 17:06:25 2012
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2012 23:06:25 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] OLEDB connection string - Help please
In-Reply-To: <C9DBE5118F814CE498DEBF26035B6CCA@MINSTER>
Message-ID: <FB09B94B705542DFBE387125A3073468@MINSTER>

Does the .Attributes property come into this? Does that have to be changed
to switch from ODBC to OLEDB?

Andy



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andy Lacey
Sent: 03 June 2012 23:00
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OLEDB connection string - Help please


Aaargh! This is driving me nuts. I've moved on and I won't bore you with the
steps and missteps but this is where I am:

1.The SQL Server db exists and I can connect to it and open tables and see
data:
- via Access with an ODBC link
- via SQL Server Management Studio

2.In both cases I can connect to the db using Windows authentication and can
open tables without being asked for any further credentials.

3.I have now got an OLEDB connection string into Access.

4.I used the .UDL method to create a connection string and put that into the
VBA code to set the connection string as "Provider=SQLOLEDB;Integrated
Security=SSPI;Persist Security Info=False;Initial Catalog=TALEG_CI;Data
Source=FRxxxxxxx" where TALEG_CI is the db and FRxxxxxxx the server.

5.The Test Connection works fine on this connection.


BUT
---
6.When I look at the properties of the table in Access design mode it shows
the connection string as 3 above but with "ODBC;" added to the start of it
which is not in the string in my code (it really, really isn't). Is this
normal? Where's it coming from? Why is Access doing this? Because I suspect
this is why point 7 occurs (although I'm happy to be told otherwise).

7.When I attempt to open any of the tables up pops  a "Select Data Source"
dialog inviting me to select an ODBC source!!!!! 



I seem to be doing everything that everyone's suggested but I cannot get
this to work and am now under pressure.

Hope someone can help me crack this.

Andy













-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: 03 June 2012 18:17
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OLEDB connection string - Help please


Hi Andy:

First you can not run OLE until you have appropriate ADO drivers. They
usually look like MSADOxx.DLL and all the components will be found in a
directory like: 
C:\Program Files\Common Files\System\ado. If you find the ancient help file,
ADODC98.CHM you know you are getting warm.
...or... the ADO.Net drivers are usually built into the .Net libraries. I am
not as familiar with this as the process is usually totally automated within
VS and I am hardly a .Net guru like some of the people on this list are. 

It should be able to be run from either any version of Access or .Net. I do
not know how to test such an connection without code other than testing the
connection using the ODBC Data Source Administrator...which is site
dependant.

Have you been able to establish a connection through the ODSA? 

Once that is done, it should be really easy to do the rest. If you are
trying to get a data stream connection to, for example your latest MS SQL
server 2008, you have to make sure that MSSQL is set to accept connections
and allow access to its databases and tables...it took me over an hour, one
time to find the check boxes, through the SQL Management studio. Nothing
like that? What are you trying to connect to?

Sorry that I can not be of more help. Maybe if I know exactly what you are
trying to do, with which application, which what data server, on which OS,
in what type of environment, that might help.

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andy Lacey
Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2012 4:01 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OLEDB connection string - Help please

Is there any way of applying an OLEDB connection except through code?

Andy

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: 01 June 2012 17:40
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OLEDB connection string - Help please


Hi Andy:

Your ODBC file component, that you created and connected via your ODBC data
source administrator, should have a UDL extension. To expose the actual
connection string, that can be used, with the subsequent OLEDB connection,
either read the file with Notepad or change the extension to TXT.

Jim 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andrew Lacey
Sent: Friday, June 01, 2012 8:06 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OLEDB connection string - Help please

Oh it's there alright. I'm working with it fine using ODBC. Just want to
switch
to OLEDB.

Andy


On 01 June 2012 at 15:49 Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:

> Hi Andy:
>
> Have you gone through all the basics? Sometimes the connection strings are
> not wrong and it could just be that the connection is not working.
>
> Have you tried to "ping" or "net" the connector via IP address and name,
at
> the command prompt?
>
> ping 24.123.456.5 or ping mydatabase.com
> ...and...
> net view and net use t: \\MyServer\MyShare
> ...and...
> net use s: \\MyServer\MyShare\ MyPassword /user:MyUsername /persistent:no
> ...or...
> net use s: \\192.168.199.210\MyShare\ MyPassword /user:MyUsername
> /persistent:no
>
> To remove test: net use s: /delete
>
> Once you are sure you can see and connect on a basic level then you will
> feel more confident that you know you DB BE is there.
>
> HTH
> Jim
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andrew Lacey
> Sent: Friday, June 01, 2012 5:32 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OLEDB connection string - Help please
>
> Heeeeellllllpppp please
>
>
> On 01 June 2012 at 08:17 Andrew Lacey <andy at minstersystems.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > Sorry, the error I'm getting is actually "Could not find installable
> ISAM".
> >
> > Andy
> >
> >
> > On 01 June 2012 at 08:06 Andrew Lacey <andy at minstersystems.co.uk> wrote:
> >
> > > Morning all
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I know I'm late to this but I'm trying to setup an OLEDB connection
> string
> > > to
> > > SQL Server. I've found info on the web for this but I'm not having any
> joy.
> > > This
> > > is a code snippet of what I have.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > strConnect = "Provider=SQLOLEDB;Data Source=FRGRAAPP02;Initial
> > > Catalog=TALEG_CI;IntegratedSecurity=SSPI;"
> > >
> > > tdf.Connect = strConnect
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > where tdf is defined as DAO.Tabledef and is sitting on a table
> definition of
> > > a
> > > table currently linked to an MDB. The code fails, however, with "Error
> > > Attaching
> > > tablename". Can anyone see what I'm doing wrong? The Data Source is
the
> > > server
> > > name and TALEG_CI is the SQL Database which has no security on it.
We're
> > > wanting
> > > to use Windows authentication.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Help please. I really need this.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Cheers
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Andy
> > > --
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From michael at mattysconsulting.com  Sun Jun  3 20:49:11 2012
From: michael at mattysconsulting.com (Michael Mattys)
Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2012 21:49:11 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OLEDB connection string - Help please
In-Reply-To: <C9DBE5118F814CE498DEBF26035B6CCA@MINSTER>
References: <0EF0713A8A0B48DB829F5552CDDC5A4A@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<C9DBE5118F814CE498DEBF26035B6CCA@MINSTER>
Message-ID: <003701cd41f4$3e1d5db0$ba581910$@mattysconsulting.com>

Andy,

Have you seen linked tables in Access that don't use ODBC?

Michael R Mattys
Mattys Consulting, LLC
www.mattysconsulting.com


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andy Lacey
Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2012 6:00 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OLEDB connection string - Help please

Aaargh! This is driving me nuts. I've moved on and I won't bore you with the
steps and missteps but this is where I am:

1.The SQL Server db exists and I can connect to it and open tables and see
data:
- via Access with an ODBC link
- via SQL Server Management Studio

2.In both cases I can connect to the db using Windows authentication and can
open tables without being asked for any further credentials.

3.I have now got an OLEDB connection string into Access.

4.I used the .UDL method to create a connection string and put that into the
VBA code to set the connection string as "Provider=SQLOLEDB;Integrated
Security=SSPI;Persist Security Info=False;Initial Catalog=TALEG_CI;Data
Source=FRxxxxxxx" where TALEG_CI is the db and FRxxxxxxx the server.

5.The Test Connection works fine on this connection.


BUT
---
6.When I look at the properties of the table in Access design mode it shows
the connection string as 3 above but with "ODBC;" added to the start of it
which is not in the string in my code (it really, really isn't). Is this
normal? Where's it coming from? Why is Access doing this? Because I suspect
this is why point 7 occurs (although I'm happy to be told otherwise).

7.When I attempt to open any of the tables up pops  a "Select Data Source"
dialog inviting me to select an ODBC source!!!!! 



I seem to be doing everything that everyone's suggested but I cannot get
this to work and am now under pressure.

Hope someone can help me crack this.

Andy













-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: 03 June 2012 18:17
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OLEDB connection string - Help please


Hi Andy:

First you can not run OLE until you have appropriate ADO drivers. They
usually look like MSADOxx.DLL and all the components will be found in a
directory like: 
C:\Program Files\Common Files\System\ado. If you find the ancient help file,
ADODC98.CHM you know you are getting warm.
...or... the ADO.Net drivers are usually built into the .Net libraries. I am
not as familiar with this as the process is usually totally automated within
VS and I am hardly a .Net guru like some of the people on this list are. 

It should be able to be run from either any version of Access or .Net. I do
not know how to test such an connection without code other than testing the
connection using the ODBC Data Source Administrator...which is site
dependant.

Have you been able to establish a connection through the ODSA? 

Once that is done, it should be really easy to do the rest. If you are
trying to get a data stream connection to, for example your latest MS SQL
server 2008, you have to make sure that MSSQL is set to accept connections
and allow access to its databases and tables...it took me over an hour, one
time to find the check boxes, through the SQL Management studio. Nothing
like that? What are you trying to connect to?

Sorry that I can not be of more help. Maybe if I know exactly what you are
trying to do, with which application, which what data server, on which OS,
in what type of environment, that might help.

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andy Lacey
Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2012 4:01 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OLEDB connection string - Help please

Is there any way of applying an OLEDB connection except through code?

Andy

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: 01 June 2012 17:40
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OLEDB connection string - Help please


Hi Andy:

Your ODBC file component, that you created and connected via your ODBC data
source administrator, should have a UDL extension. To expose the actual
connection string, that can be used, with the subsequent OLEDB connection,
either read the file with Notepad or change the extension to TXT.

Jim 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andrew Lacey
Sent: Friday, June 01, 2012 8:06 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OLEDB connection string - Help please

Oh it's there alright. I'm working with it fine using ODBC. Just want to
switch to OLEDB.

Andy


On 01 June 2012 at 15:49 Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:

> Hi Andy:
>
> Have you gone through all the basics? Sometimes the connection strings 
> are not wrong and it could just be that the connection is not working.
>
> Have you tried to "ping" or "net" the connector via IP address and 
> name,
at
> the command prompt?
>
> ping 24.123.456.5 or ping mydatabase.com ...and...
> net view and net use t: \\MyServer\MyShare ...and...
> net use s: \\MyServer\MyShare\ MyPassword /user:MyUsername 
> /persistent:no ...or...
> net use s: \\192.168.199.210\MyShare\ MyPassword /user:MyUsername 
> /persistent:no
>
> To remove test: net use s: /delete
>
> Once you are sure you can see and connect on a basic level then you 
> will feel more confident that you know you DB BE is there.
>
> HTH
> Jim
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andrew 
> Lacey
> Sent: Friday, June 01, 2012 5:32 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OLEDB connection string - Help please
>
> Heeeeellllllpppp please
>
>
> On 01 June 2012 at 08:17 Andrew Lacey <andy at minstersystems.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > Sorry, the error I'm getting is actually "Could not find installable
> ISAM".
> >
> > Andy
> >
> >
> > On 01 June 2012 at 08:06 Andrew Lacey <andy at minstersystems.co.uk> wrote:
> >
> > > Morning all
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I know I'm late to this but I'm trying to setup an OLEDB 
> > > connection
> string
> > > to
> > > SQL Server. I've found info on the web for this but I'm not having 
> > > any
> joy.
> > > This
> > > is a code snippet of what I have.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > strConnect = "Provider=SQLOLEDB;Data Source=FRGRAAPP02;Initial 
> > > Catalog=TALEG_CI;IntegratedSecurity=SSPI;"
> > >
> > > tdf.Connect = strConnect
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > where tdf is defined as DAO.Tabledef and is sitting on a table
> definition of
> > > a
> > > table currently linked to an MDB. The code fails, however, with 
> > > "Error Attaching tablename". Can anyone see what I'm doing wrong? 
> > > The Data Source is
the
> > > server
> > > name and TALEG_CI is the SQL Database which has no security on it.
We're
> > > wanting
> > > to use Windows authentication.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Help please. I really need this.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Cheers
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Andy
> > > --
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Sun Jun  3 21:01:56 2012
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2012 19:01:56 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OLEDB connection string - Help please
In-Reply-To: <FB09B94B705542DFBE387125A3073468@MINSTER>
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	<FB09B94B705542DFBE387125A3073468@MINSTER>
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Hi Andy:

The first question I would ask is do you have ADO installed? Without ADOs
OLEDB will not work. Which version of Access are you using? I have never had
any problems connection to a MS SQL server but then I have never made a
major Access application above A2003 so there may be other issues that I am
unaware of.

The connection strings I tend to use...similar:
"Provider=SQLOLEDB;Initial Catalog=TheClientsDatabase;Data
Source=TheClientsServer;Integrated Security=SSPI"

"Provider=SQLOLEDB;Initial Catalog=TALEG_CI;Data Source=FRxxxxxxx";
Integrated Security=SSPI;Persist Security Info=False;

The client's username and password, were already established when they
logged in and MS SQL server recognizes their access. Can ping the servers
1433 port. Does your application ask for a MS SQL server U and P at one
point or are you just using Windows integration?
  
Jim 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andy Lacey
Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2012 3:06 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OLEDB connection string - Help please

Does the .Attributes property come into this? Does that have to be changed
to switch from ODBC to OLEDB?

Andy



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andy Lacey
Sent: 03 June 2012 23:00
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OLEDB connection string - Help please


Aaargh! This is driving me nuts. I've moved on and I won't bore you with the
steps and missteps but this is where I am:

1.The SQL Server db exists and I can connect to it and open tables and see
data:
- via Access with an ODBC link
- via SQL Server Management Studio

2.In both cases I can connect to the db using Windows authentication and can
open tables without being asked for any further credentials.

3.I have now got an OLEDB connection string into Access.

4.I used the .UDL method to create a connection string and put that into the
VBA code to set the connection string as "Provider=SQLOLEDB;Integrated
Security=SSPI;Persist Security Info=False;Initial Catalog=TALEG_CI;Data
Source=FRxxxxxxx" where TALEG_CI is the db and FRxxxxxxx the server.

5.The Test Connection works fine on this connection.


BUT
---
6.When I look at the properties of the table in Access design mode it shows
the connection string as 3 above but with "ODBC;" added to the start of it
which is not in the string in my code (it really, really isn't). Is this
normal? Where's it coming from? Why is Access doing this? Because I suspect
this is why point 7 occurs (although I'm happy to be told otherwise).

7.When I attempt to open any of the tables up pops  a "Select Data Source"
dialog inviting me to select an ODBC source!!!!! 



I seem to be doing everything that everyone's suggested but I cannot get
this to work and am now under pressure.

Hope someone can help me crack this.

Andy













-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: 03 June 2012 18:17
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OLEDB connection string - Help please


Hi Andy:

First you can not run OLE until you have appropriate ADO drivers. They
usually look like MSADOxx.DLL and all the components will be found in a
directory like: 
C:\Program Files\Common Files\System\ado. If you find the ancient help file,
ADODC98.CHM you know you are getting warm.
...or... the ADO.Net drivers are usually built into the .Net libraries. I am
not as familiar with this as the process is usually totally automated within
VS and I am hardly a .Net guru like some of the people on this list are. 

It should be able to be run from either any version of Access or .Net. I do
not know how to test such an connection without code other than testing the
connection using the ODBC Data Source Administrator...which is site
dependant.

Have you been able to establish a connection through the ODSA? 

Once that is done, it should be really easy to do the rest. If you are
trying to get a data stream connection to, for example your latest MS SQL
server 2008, you have to make sure that MSSQL is set to accept connections
and allow access to its databases and tables...it took me over an hour, one
time to find the check boxes, through the SQL Management studio. Nothing
like that? What are you trying to connect to?

Sorry that I can not be of more help. Maybe if I know exactly what you are
trying to do, with which application, which what data server, on which OS,
in what type of environment, that might help.

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andy Lacey
Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2012 4:01 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OLEDB connection string - Help please

Is there any way of applying an OLEDB connection except through code?

Andy

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: 01 June 2012 17:40
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OLEDB connection string - Help please


Hi Andy:

Your ODBC file component, that you created and connected via your ODBC data
source administrator, should have a UDL extension. To expose the actual
connection string, that can be used, with the subsequent OLEDB connection,
either read the file with Notepad or change the extension to TXT.

Jim 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andrew Lacey
Sent: Friday, June 01, 2012 8:06 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OLEDB connection string - Help please

Oh it's there alright. I'm working with it fine using ODBC. Just want to
switch
to OLEDB.

Andy


On 01 June 2012 at 15:49 Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:

> Hi Andy:
>
> Have you gone through all the basics? Sometimes the connection strings are
> not wrong and it could just be that the connection is not working.
>
> Have you tried to "ping" or "net" the connector via IP address and name,
at
> the command prompt?
>
> ping 24.123.456.5 or ping mydatabase.com
> ...and...
> net view and net use t: \\MyServer\MyShare
> ...and...
> net use s: \\MyServer\MyShare\ MyPassword /user:MyUsername /persistent:no
> ...or...
> net use s: \\192.168.199.210\MyShare\ MyPassword /user:MyUsername
> /persistent:no
>
> To remove test: net use s: /delete
>
> Once you are sure you can see and connect on a basic level then you will
> feel more confident that you know you DB BE is there.
>
> HTH
> Jim
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andrew Lacey
> Sent: Friday, June 01, 2012 5:32 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OLEDB connection string - Help please
>
> Heeeeellllllpppp please
>
>
> On 01 June 2012 at 08:17 Andrew Lacey <andy at minstersystems.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > Sorry, the error I'm getting is actually "Could not find installable
> ISAM".
> >
> > Andy
> >
> >
> > On 01 June 2012 at 08:06 Andrew Lacey <andy at minstersystems.co.uk> wrote:
> >
> > > Morning all
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I know I'm late to this but I'm trying to setup an OLEDB connection
> string
> > > to
> > > SQL Server. I've found info on the web for this but I'm not having any
> joy.
> > > This
> > > is a code snippet of what I have.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > strConnect = "Provider=SQLOLEDB;Data Source=FRGRAAPP02;Initial
> > > Catalog=TALEG_CI;IntegratedSecurity=SSPI;"
> > >
> > > tdf.Connect = strConnect
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > where tdf is defined as DAO.Tabledef and is sitting on a table
> definition of
> > > a
> > > table currently linked to an MDB. The code fails, however, with "Error
> > > Attaching
> > > tablename". Can anyone see what I'm doing wrong? The Data Source is
the
> > > server
> > > name and TALEG_CI is the SQL Database which has no security on it.
We're
> > > wanting
> > > to use Windows authentication.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Help please. I really need this.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Cheers
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Andy
> > > --
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From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au  Sun Jun  3 21:13:12 2012
From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins)
Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2012 02:13:12 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] OLEDB connection string - Help please
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	<C9DBE5118F814CE498DEBF26035B6CCA@MINSTER>
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Hi Andy,

I have had this issue before - there are a few reasons for it (I am sure you have done Google to death), however this maybe worth a look

<< http://forums.codeguru.com/showthread.php?t=520619>>

Good luck - it is bloody annoying, that much I can remember!
Cheers
Darryl.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andy Lacey
Sent: Monday, 4 June 2012 8:00 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OLEDB connection string - Help please

Aaargh! This is driving me nuts. I've moved on and I won't bore you with the steps and missteps but this is where I am:

1.The SQL Server db exists and I can connect to it and open tables and see
data:
- via Access with an ODBC link
- via SQL Server Management Studio

2.In both cases I can connect to the db using Windows authentication and can open tables without being asked for any further credentials.

3.I have now got an OLEDB connection string into Access.

4.I used the .UDL method to create a connection string and put that into the VBA code to set the connection string as "Provider=SQLOLEDB;Integrated Security=SSPI;Persist Security Info=False;Initial Catalog=TALEG_CI;Data Source=FRxxxxxxx" where TALEG_CI is the db and FRxxxxxxx the server.

5.The Test Connection works fine on this connection.


BUT
---
6.When I look at the properties of the table in Access design mode it shows the connection string as 3 above but with "ODBC;" added to the start of it which is not in the string in my code (it really, really isn't). Is this normal? Where's it coming from? Why is Access doing this? Because I suspect this is why point 7 occurs (although I'm happy to be told otherwise).

7.When I attempt to open any of the tables up pops  a "Select Data Source"
dialog inviting me to select an ODBC source!!!!! 



I seem to be doing everything that everyone's suggested but I cannot get this to work and am now under pressure.

Hope someone can help me crack this.

Andy













-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: 03 June 2012 18:17
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OLEDB connection string - Help please


Hi Andy:

First you can not run OLE until you have appropriate ADO drivers. They usually look like MSADOxx.DLL and all the components will be found in a directory like: 
C:\Program Files\Common Files\System\ado. If you find the ancient help file, ADODC98.CHM you know you are getting warm.
...or... the ADO.Net drivers are usually built into the .Net libraries. I am not as familiar with this as the process is usually totally automated within VS and I am hardly a .Net guru like some of the people on this list are. 

It should be able to be run from either any version of Access or .Net. I do not know how to test such an connection without code other than testing the connection using the ODBC Data Source Administrator...which is site dependant.

Have you been able to establish a connection through the ODSA? 

Once that is done, it should be really easy to do the rest. If you are trying to get a data stream connection to, for example your latest MS SQL server 2008, you have to make sure that MSSQL is set to accept connections and allow access to its databases and tables...it took me over an hour, one time to find the check boxes, through the SQL Management studio. Nothing like that? What are you trying to connect to?

Sorry that I can not be of more help. Maybe if I know exactly what you are trying to do, with which application, which what data server, on which OS, in what type of environment, that might help.

Jim

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andy Lacey
Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2012 4:01 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OLEDB connection string - Help please

Is there any way of applying an OLEDB connection except through code?

Andy

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: 01 June 2012 17:40
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OLEDB connection string - Help please


Hi Andy:

Your ODBC file component, that you created and connected via your ODBC data source administrator, should have a UDL extension. To expose the actual connection string, that can be used, with the subsequent OLEDB connection, either read the file with Notepad or change the extension to TXT.

Jim 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andrew Lacey
Sent: Friday, June 01, 2012 8:06 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OLEDB connection string - Help please

Oh it's there alright. I'm working with it fine using ODBC. Just want to switch to OLEDB.

Andy


On 01 June 2012 at 15:49 Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:

> Hi Andy:
>
> Have you gone through all the basics? Sometimes the connection strings 
> are not wrong and it could just be that the connection is not working.
>
> Have you tried to "ping" or "net" the connector via IP address and 
> name,
at
> the command prompt?
>
> ping 24.123.456.5 or ping mydatabase.com ...and...
> net view and net use t: \\MyServer\MyShare ...and...
> net use s: \\MyServer\MyShare\ MyPassword /user:MyUsername 
> /persistent:no ...or...
> net use s: \\192.168.199.210\MyShare\ MyPassword /user:MyUsername 
> /persistent:no
>
> To remove test: net use s: /delete
>
> Once you are sure you can see and connect on a basic level then you 
> will feel more confident that you know you DB BE is there.
>
> HTH
> Jim
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andrew 
> Lacey
> Sent: Friday, June 01, 2012 5:32 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OLEDB connection string - Help please
>
> Heeeeellllllpppp please
>
>
> On 01 June 2012 at 08:17 Andrew Lacey <andy at minstersystems.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > Sorry, the error I'm getting is actually "Could not find installable
> ISAM".
> >
> > Andy
> >
> >
> > On 01 June 2012 at 08:06 Andrew Lacey <andy at minstersystems.co.uk> wrote:
> >
> > > Morning all
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I know I'm late to this but I'm trying to setup an OLEDB 
> > > connection
> string
> > > to
> > > SQL Server. I've found info on the web for this but I'm not having 
> > > any
> joy.
> > > This
> > > is a code snippet of what I have.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > strConnect = "Provider=SQLOLEDB;Data Source=FRGRAAPP02;Initial 
> > > Catalog=TALEG_CI;IntegratedSecurity=SSPI;"
> > >
> > > tdf.Connect = strConnect
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > where tdf is defined as DAO.Tabledef and is sitting on a table
> definition of
> > > a
> > > table currently linked to an MDB. The code fails, however, with 
> > > "Error Attaching tablename". Can anyone see what I'm doing wrong? 
> > > The Data Source is
the
> > > server
> > > name and TALEG_CI is the SQL Database which has no security on it.
We're
> > > wanting
> > > to use Windows authentication.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Help please. I really need this.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Cheers
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Andy
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From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au  Sun Jun  3 21:38:08 2012
From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins)
Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2012 02:38:08 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] OLEDB connection string - Help please
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This may also be of some use, although it is rather old now..

<< http://www.aspfaq.com/downloads/aspfaq-2005-10-05.pdf>>



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Sent: Monday, 4 June 2012 12:13 PM
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Subject: Re: [AccessD] OLEDB connection string - Help please

Hi Andy,

I have had this issue before - there are a few reasons for it (I am sure you have done Google to death), however this maybe worth a look

<< http://forums.codeguru.com/showthread.php?t=520619>>

Good luck - it is bloody annoying, that much I can remember!
Cheers
Darryl.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andy Lacey
Sent: Monday, 4 June 2012 8:00 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OLEDB connection string - Help please

Aaargh! This is driving me nuts. I've moved on and I won't bore you with the steps and missteps but this is where I am:

1.The SQL Server db exists and I can connect to it and open tables and see
data:
- via Access with an ODBC link
- via SQL Server Management Studio

2.In both cases I can connect to the db using Windows authentication and can open tables without being asked for any further credentials.

3.I have now got an OLEDB connection string into Access.

4.I used the .UDL method to create a connection string and put that into the VBA code to set the connection string as "Provider=SQLOLEDB;Integrated Security=SSPI;Persist Security Info=False;Initial Catalog=TALEG_CI;Data Source=FRxxxxxxx" where TALEG_CI is the db and FRxxxxxxx the server.

5.The Test Connection works fine on this connection.


BUT
---
6.When I look at the properties of the table in Access design mode it shows the connection string as 3 above but with "ODBC;" added to the start of it which is not in the string in my code (it really, really isn't). Is this normal? Where's it coming from? Why is Access doing this? Because I suspect this is why point 7 occurs (although I'm happy to be told otherwise).

7.When I attempt to open any of the tables up pops  a "Select Data Source"
dialog inviting me to select an ODBC source!!!!! 



I seem to be doing everything that everyone's suggested but I cannot get this to work and am now under pressure.

Hope someone can help me crack this.

Andy













-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: 03 June 2012 18:17
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OLEDB connection string - Help please


Hi Andy:

First you can not run OLE until you have appropriate ADO drivers. They usually look like MSADOxx.DLL and all the components will be found in a directory like: 
C:\Program Files\Common Files\System\ado. If you find the ancient help file, ADODC98.CHM you know you are getting warm.
...or... the ADO.Net drivers are usually built into the .Net libraries. I am not as familiar with this as the process is usually totally automated within VS and I am hardly a .Net guru like some of the people on this list are. 

It should be able to be run from either any version of Access or .Net. I do not know how to test such an connection without code other than testing the connection using the ODBC Data Source Administrator...which is site dependant.

Have you been able to establish a connection through the ODSA? 

Once that is done, it should be really easy to do the rest. If you are trying to get a data stream connection to, for example your latest MS SQL server 2008, you have to make sure that MSSQL is set to accept connections and allow access to its databases and tables...it took me over an hour, one time to find the check boxes, through the SQL Management studio. Nothing like that? What are you trying to connect to?

Sorry that I can not be of more help. Maybe if I know exactly what you are trying to do, with which application, which what data server, on which OS, in what type of environment, that might help.

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andy Lacey
Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2012 4:01 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OLEDB connection string - Help please

Is there any way of applying an OLEDB connection except through code?

Andy

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: 01 June 2012 17:40
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OLEDB connection string - Help please


Hi Andy:

Your ODBC file component, that you created and connected via your ODBC data source administrator, should have a UDL extension. To expose the actual connection string, that can be used, with the subsequent OLEDB connection, either read the file with Notepad or change the extension to TXT.

Jim 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andrew Lacey
Sent: Friday, June 01, 2012 8:06 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OLEDB connection string - Help please

Oh it's there alright. I'm working with it fine using ODBC. Just want to switch to OLEDB.

Andy


On 01 June 2012 at 15:49 Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:

> Hi Andy:
>
> Have you gone through all the basics? Sometimes the connection strings 
> are not wrong and it could just be that the connection is not working.
>
> Have you tried to "ping" or "net" the connector via IP address and 
> name,
at
> the command prompt?
>
> ping 24.123.456.5 or ping mydatabase.com ...and...
> net view and net use t: \\MyServer\MyShare ...and...
> net use s: \\MyServer\MyShare\ MyPassword /user:MyUsername 
> /persistent:no ...or...
> net use s: \\192.168.199.210\MyShare\ MyPassword /user:MyUsername 
> /persistent:no
>
> To remove test: net use s: /delete
>
> Once you are sure you can see and connect on a basic level then you 
> will feel more confident that you know you DB BE is there.
>
> HTH
> Jim
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andrew 
> Lacey
> Sent: Friday, June 01, 2012 5:32 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OLEDB connection string - Help please
>
> Heeeeellllllpppp please
>
>
> On 01 June 2012 at 08:17 Andrew Lacey <andy at minstersystems.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > Sorry, the error I'm getting is actually "Could not find installable
> ISAM".
> >
> > Andy
> >
> >
> > On 01 June 2012 at 08:06 Andrew Lacey <andy at minstersystems.co.uk> wrote:
> >
> > > Morning all
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I know I'm late to this but I'm trying to setup an OLEDB 
> > > connection
> string
> > > to
> > > SQL Server. I've found info on the web for this but I'm not having 
> > > any
> joy.
> > > This
> > > is a code snippet of what I have.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > strConnect = "Provider=SQLOLEDB;Data Source=FRGRAAPP02;Initial 
> > > Catalog=TALEG_CI;IntegratedSecurity=SSPI;"
> > >
> > > tdf.Connect = strConnect
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > where tdf is defined as DAO.Tabledef and is sitting on a table
> definition of
> > > a
> > > table currently linked to an MDB. The code fails, however, with 
> > > "Error Attaching tablename". Can anyone see what I'm doing wrong?
> > > The Data Source is
the
> > > server
> > > name and TALEG_CI is the SQL Database which has no security on it.
We're
> > > wanting
> > > to use Windows authentication.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Help please. I really need this.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Cheers
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Andy
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sun Jun  3 22:06:33 2012
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Sun, 03 Jun 2012 23:06:33 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] VPN
Message-ID: <4FCC2639.1070400@colbyconsulting.com>

I have used Hamachi since forever.  Recently they limited the number of users on any given (free) 
network to 5, which is pretty much useless.

So I am on the hunt.

My situation is as follows.  I have several different SQL Server databases, all running on a server 
here at my office.  These are low traffic DBs but they are for entirely different clients.  Using 
Hamachi I built a VPN for each client, different LAN name, different password, only the people I 
allowed could join the networks.  The Hamachi software allowed me to set up "types" of networks 
including mesh (everything could see everything), and hub and spoke where everything could see the 
hub but the spokes could not see each other.  That is really what I need.  In my case the spokes are 
individual's computers in "virtual companies" and nobody wants other people seeing / accessing their 
computers.

What I am hoping to accomplish is to get some Linux widget being my VPN "server", allowing me to do 
the same kind of thing.  As I said I have always used Hamachi and it was slick and worked (mostly) 
but I cannot afford to buy the new Hamachi licenses, these are non-profits and I do not charge them 
for what I am doing.

So does anyone know of an "equivalent" to what Hamachi does?  I am even willing to go buy an (under 
$200) "router" box to do this, however whatever it is needs to be easy to set up.  There is the 
potential to have dozens of users that I have to manage access for and I really don't want to get 
bogged down in that job.

What would be ideal would be a VM on Hyper-V running Linux running MySQL and an easy to manage 
firewall app for setting this stuff up.

What I have figured out how to do is a VM on Hyper-V running Windows 2003 X32 running SQL Server and 
Hamachi, which was working just fine until a couple of months ago when LogMeIn decided to play 
nasty.  Sigh.

-- 
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Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it


From hans.andersen at phulse.com  Sun Jun  3 22:37:52 2012
From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen)
Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2012 20:37:52 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] VPN
In-Reply-To: <4FCC2639.1070400@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4FCC2639.1070400@colbyconsulting.com>
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John,

Is something like a regular VPN out of question? I'm running an OpenVPN server and it works great. Otherwise, I've got a spare Netgear router (model WNR3500L), which can have DDR-WRT firmware installed on it, which includes the ability to set up an L2TP VPN, which also works great and stable.

If you are able to virtualize on your client end, I think I could cook up a Virtual Box image, which is a barebones OpenVPN server (been planning to do this anyhow), but it would of course require you open up a port on their firewall and do some configuration. And it would require that you assume some amount of responsibility for it.

Nothing is cheaper than free though!

Hans



On 2012-06-03, at 8:06 PM, jwcolby wrote:

> I have used Hamachi since forever.  Recently they limited the number of users on any given (free) network to 5, which is pretty much useless.
> 
> So I am on the hunt.
> 
> My situation is as follows.  I have several different SQL Server databases, all running on a server here at my office.  These are low traffic DBs but they are for entirely different clients.  Using Hamachi I built a VPN for each client, different LAN name, different password, only the people I allowed could join the networks.  The Hamachi software allowed me to set up "types" of networks including mesh (everything could see everything), and hub and spoke where everything could see the hub but the spokes could not see each other.  That is really what I need.  In my case the spokes are individual's computers in "virtual companies" and nobody wants other people seeing / accessing their computers.
> 
> What I am hoping to accomplish is to get some Linux widget being my VPN "server", allowing me to do the same kind of thing.  As I said I have always used Hamachi and it was slick and worked (mostly) but I cannot afford to buy the new Hamachi licenses, these are non-profits and I do not charge them for what I am doing.
> 
> So does anyone know of an "equivalent" to what Hamachi does?  I am even willing to go buy an (under $200) "router" box to do this, however whatever it is needs to be easy to set up.  There is the potential to have dozens of users that I have to manage access for and I really don't want to get bogged down in that job.
> 
> What would be ideal would be a VM on Hyper-V running Linux running MySQL and an easy to manage firewall app for setting this stuff up.
> 
> What I have figured out how to do is a VM on Hyper-V running Windows 2003 X32 running SQL Server and Hamachi, which was working just fine until a couple of months ago when LogMeIn decided to play nasty.  Sigh.
> 
> -- 
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> 
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From darren at activebilling.com.au  Sun Jun  3 23:50:48 2012
From: darren at activebilling.com.au (Darren)
Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2012 14:50:48 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] OLEDB connection string - Help please
Message-ID: <02f701cd420d$9e9cb2d0$dbd61870$@activebilling.com.au>

Hi Andy
Play with the "Trusted Connection" value in the connection string.
I have had this issue in the past where this annoying credential popup
appears.
I pass the UserName and the Password in the ConnString and have started to
totally ignore the "TrustedConnection" setting.

Sample linking string below - watch for line wrap:
strODBCConn = "ODBC;Description=Test Connection;DRIVER=SQL Server;SERVER=" &
strServerIPAddress & ";APP=Microsoft Data Access Components;DATABASE=" &
strDBName & ";UID=" & strUserID & ";PWD=" & strPassword ' '&
";Trusted_Connection=yes"

...and then this to perform the link:
DoCmd.TransferDatabase acLink, "ODBC Database", strODBCConn, acTable,
"SomeTableInSQLServer", "tbl_TheTableNameAsIwantItInAccess", False

Also - I'll send over a sample DB I created ages ago that show these things
in action (If I can find it).
D

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andy Lacey
Sent: Monday, 4 June 2012 8:00 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OLEDB connection string - Help please

Aaargh! This is driving me nuts. I've moved on and I won't bore you with the
steps and missteps but this is where I am:

1.The SQL Server db exists and I can connect to it and open tables and see
data:
- via Access with an ODBC link
- via SQL Server Management Studio

2.In both cases I can connect to the db using Windows authentication and can
open tables without being asked for any further credentials.

3.I have now got an OLEDB connection string into Access.

4.I used the .UDL method to create a connection string and put that into the
VBA code to set the connection string as "Provider=SQLOLEDB;Integrated
Security=SSPI;Persist Security Info=False;Initial Catalog=TALEG_CI;Data
Source=FRxxxxxxx" where TALEG_CI is the db and FRxxxxxxx the server.

5.The Test Connection works fine on this connection.


BUT
---
6.When I look at the properties of the table in Access design mode it shows
the connection string as 3 above but with "ODBC;" added to the start of it
which is not in the string in my code (it really, really isn't). Is this
normal? Where's it coming from? Why is Access doing this? Because I suspect
this is why point 7 occurs (although I'm happy to be told otherwise).

7.When I attempt to open any of the tables up pops  a "Select Data Source"
dialog inviting me to select an ODBC source!!!!! 



I seem to be doing everything that everyone's suggested but I cannot get
this to work and am now under pressure.

Hope someone can help me crack this.

Andy













-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: 03 June 2012 18:17
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OLEDB connection string - Help please


Hi Andy:

First you can not run OLE until you have appropriate ADO drivers. They
usually look like MSADOxx.DLL and all the components will be found in a
directory like: 
C:\Program Files\Common Files\System\ado. If you find the ancient help file,
ADODC98.CHM you know you are getting warm.
...or... the ADO.Net drivers are usually built into the .Net libraries. I am
not as familiar with this as the process is usually totally automated within
VS and I am hardly a .Net guru like some of the people on this list are. 

It should be able to be run from either any version of Access or .Net. I do
not know how to test such an connection without code other than testing the
connection using the ODBC Data Source Administrator...which is site
dependant.

Have you been able to establish a connection through the ODSA? 

Once that is done, it should be really easy to do the rest. If you are
trying to get a data stream connection to, for example your latest MS SQL
server 2008, you have to make sure that MSSQL is set to accept connections
and allow access to its databases and tables...it took me over an hour, one
time to find the check boxes, through the SQL Management studio. Nothing
like that? What are you trying to connect to?

Sorry that I can not be of more help. Maybe if I know exactly what you are
trying to do, with which application, which what data server, on which OS,
in what type of environment, that might help.

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andy Lacey
Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2012 4:01 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OLEDB connection string - Help please

Is there any way of applying an OLEDB connection except through code?

Andy

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: 01 June 2012 17:40
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OLEDB connection string - Help please


Hi Andy:

Your ODBC file component, that you created and connected via your ODBC data
source administrator, should have a UDL extension. To expose the actual
connection string, that can be used, with the subsequent OLEDB connection,
either read the file with Notepad or change the extension to TXT.

Jim 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andrew Lacey
Sent: Friday, June 01, 2012 8:06 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OLEDB connection string - Help please

Oh it's there alright. I'm working with it fine using ODBC. Just want to
switch to OLEDB.

Andy


On 01 June 2012 at 15:49 Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:

> Hi Andy:
>
> Have you gone through all the basics? Sometimes the connection strings 
> are not wrong and it could just be that the connection is not working.
>
> Have you tried to "ping" or "net" the connector via IP address and 
> name,
at
> the command prompt?
>
> ping 24.123.456.5 or ping mydatabase.com ...and...
> net view and net use t: \\MyServer\MyShare ...and...
> net use s: \\MyServer\MyShare\ MyPassword /user:MyUsername 
> /persistent:no ...or...
> net use s: \\192.168.199.210\MyShare\ MyPassword /user:MyUsername 
> /persistent:no
>
> To remove test: net use s: /delete
>
> Once you are sure you can see and connect on a basic level then you 
> will feel more confident that you know you DB BE is there.
>
> HTH
> Jim
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andrew 
> Lacey
> Sent: Friday, June 01, 2012 5:32 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OLEDB connection string - Help please
>
> Heeeeellllllpppp please
>
>
> On 01 June 2012 at 08:17 Andrew Lacey <andy at minstersystems.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > Sorry, the error I'm getting is actually "Could not find installable
> ISAM".
> >
> > Andy
> >
> >
> > On 01 June 2012 at 08:06 Andrew Lacey <andy at minstersystems.co.uk> wrote:
> >
> > > Morning all
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I know I'm late to this but I'm trying to setup an OLEDB 
> > > connection
> string
> > > to
> > > SQL Server. I've found info on the web for this but I'm not having 
> > > any
> joy.
> > > This
> > > is a code snippet of what I have.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > strConnect = "Provider=SQLOLEDB;Data Source=FRGRAAPP02;Initial 
> > > Catalog=TALEG_CI;IntegratedSecurity=SSPI;"
> > >
> > > tdf.Connect = strConnect
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > where tdf is defined as DAO.Tabledef and is sitting on a table
> definition of
> > > a
> > > table currently linked to an MDB. The code fails, however, with 
> > > "Error Attaching tablename". Can anyone see what I'm doing wrong? 
> > > The Data Source is
the
> > > server
> > > name and TALEG_CI is the SQL Database which has no security on it.
We're
> > > wanting
> > > to use Windows authentication.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Help please. I really need this.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Cheers
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Andy
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From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Mon Jun  4 02:25:02 2012
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2012 08:25:02 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] OLEDB connection string - Help please
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Thanks so much to those trying to help me.

Version-wise I'm running A2000 under wXP. I'm going to try A2010 in a minute
but I don't expect much to change.

To summarise,because I don't want to waste anyone's time, the links to SQL
Server work fine when I use ODBC. I'm trying to use code to change the links
to OLEDB so that the app is more easily distributable. The code works and
kind of does the change but Access mysteriously adds "ODBC;" at the
beginning of the connection string. When I try to open a table I get a
"Select Data Source" popup asking for an ODBC source. Below is the full
version.

Andy

===============

Aaargh! This is driving me nuts. I've moved on and I won't bore you with the
steps and missteps but this is where I am:

1.The SQL Server db exists and I can connect to it and open tables and see
data:
- via Access with an ODBC link
- via SQL Server Management Studio

2.In both cases I can connect to the db using Windows authentication and can
open tables without being asked for any further credentials.

3.I have now got an OLEDB connection string into Access.

4.I used the .UDL method to create a connection string and put that into the
VBA code to set the connection string as "Provider=SQLOLEDB;Integrated
Security=SSPI;Persist Security Info=False;Initial Catalog=TALEG_CI;Data
Source=FRxxxxxxx" where TALEG_CI is the db and FRxxxxxxx the server.

5.The Test Connection works fine on this connection.


BUT
---
6.When I look at the properties of the table in Access design mode it shows
the connection string as 3 above but with "ODBC;" added to the start of it
which is not in the string in my code (it really, really isn't). Is this
normal? Where's it coming from? Why is Access doing this? Because I suspect
this is why point 7 occurs (although I'm happy to be told otherwise).

7.When I attempt to open any of the tables up pops  a "Select Data Source"
dialog inviting me to select an ODBC source!!!!! 



I seem to be doing everything that everyone's suggested but I cannot get
this to work and am now under pressure.

Hope someone can help me crack this.

Andy













-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: 03 June 2012 18:17
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OLEDB connection string - Help please


Hi Andy:

First you can not run OLE until you have appropriate ADO drivers. They
usually look like MSADOxx.DLL and all the components will be found in a
directory like: 
C:\Program Files\Common Files\System\ado. If you find the ancient help file,
ADODC98.CHM you know you are getting warm.
...or... the ADO.Net drivers are usually built into the .Net libraries. I am
not as familiar with this as the process is usually totally automated within
VS and I am hardly a .Net guru like some of the people on this list are. 

It should be able to be run from either any version of Access or .Net. I do
not know how to test such an connection without code other than testing the
connection using the ODBC Data Source Administrator...which is site
dependant.

Have you been able to establish a connection through the ODSA? 

Once that is done, it should be really easy to do the rest. If you are
trying to get a data stream connection to, for example your latest MS SQL
server 2008, you have to make sure that MSSQL is set to accept connections
and allow access to its databases and tables...it took me over an hour, one
time to find the check boxes, through the SQL Management studio. Nothing
like that? What are you trying to connect to?

Sorry that I can not be of more help. Maybe if I know exactly what you are
trying to do, with which application, which what data server, on which OS,
in what type of environment, that might help.

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andy Lacey
Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2012 4:01 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OLEDB connection string - Help please

Is there any way of applying an OLEDB connection except through code?

Andy

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: 01 June 2012 17:40
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OLEDB connection string - Help please


Hi Andy:

Your ODBC file component, that you created and connected via your ODBC data
source administrator, should have a UDL extension. To expose the actual
connection string, that can be used, with the subsequent OLEDB connection,
either read the file with Notepad or change the extension to TXT.

Jim 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andrew Lacey
Sent: Friday, June 01, 2012 8:06 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OLEDB connection string - Help please

Oh it's there alright. I'm working with it fine using ODBC. Just want to
switch to OLEDB.

Andy


On 01 June 2012 at 15:49 Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:

> Hi Andy:
>
> Have you gone through all the basics? Sometimes the connection strings 
> are not wrong and it could just be that the connection is not working.
>
> Have you tried to "ping" or "net" the connector via IP address and 
> name,
at
> the command prompt?
>
> ping 24.123.456.5 or ping mydatabase.com ...and...
> net view and net use t: \\MyServer\MyShare ...and...
> net use s: \\MyServer\MyShare\ MyPassword /user:MyUsername 
> /persistent:no ...or...
> net use s: \\192.168.199.210\MyShare\ MyPassword /user:MyUsername 
> /persistent:no
>
> To remove test: net use s: /delete
>
> Once you are sure you can see and connect on a basic level then you 
> will feel more confident that you know you DB BE is there.
>
> HTH
> Jim
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andrew 
> Lacey
> Sent: Friday, June 01, 2012 5:32 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OLEDB connection string - Help please
>
> Heeeeellllllpppp please
>
>
> On 01 June 2012 at 08:17 Andrew Lacey <andy at minstersystems.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > Sorry, the error I'm getting is actually "Could not find installable
> ISAM".
> >
> > Andy
> >
> >
> > On 01 June 2012 at 08:06 Andrew Lacey <andy at minstersystems.co.uk> wrote:
> >
> > > Morning all
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I know I'm late to this but I'm trying to setup an OLEDB 
> > > connection
> string
> > > to
> > > SQL Server. I've found info on the web for this but I'm not having 
> > > any
> joy.
> > > This
> > > is a code snippet of what I have.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > strConnect = "Provider=SQLOLEDB;Data Source=FRGRAAPP02;Initial 
> > > Catalog=TALEG_CI;IntegratedSecurity=SSPI;"
> > >
> > > tdf.Connect = strConnect
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > where tdf is defined as DAO.Tabledef and is sitting on a table
> definition of
> > > a
> > > table currently linked to an MDB. The code fails, however, with 
> > > "Error Attaching tablename". Can anyone see what I'm doing wrong?
> > > The Data Source is
the
> > > server
> > > name and TALEG_CI is the SQL Database which has no security on it.
We're
> > > wanting
> > > to use Windows authentication.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Help please. I really need this.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Cheers
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Andy
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From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Mon Jun  4 02:25:02 2012
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2012 08:25:02 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] OLEDB connection string - Help please
In-Reply-To: <003701cd41f4$3e1d5db0$ba581910$@mattysconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <FB7F2653ADB34BA0BA151C51B5859665@MINSTER>

Yea, just using MDB's do you mean? Thousands. Not sure if that's what you
mean Michael.

Andy

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Michael Mattys
Sent: 04 June 2012 02:49
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OLEDB connection string - Help please


Andy,

Have you seen linked tables in Access that don't use ODBC?

Michael R Mattys
Mattys Consulting, LLC
www.mattysconsulting.com


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andy Lacey
Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2012 6:00 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OLEDB connection string - Help please

Aaargh! This is driving me nuts. I've moved on and I won't bore you with the
steps and missteps but this is where I am:

1.The SQL Server db exists and I can connect to it and open tables and see
data:
- via Access with an ODBC link
- via SQL Server Management Studio

2.In both cases I can connect to the db using Windows authentication and can
open tables without being asked for any further credentials.

3.I have now got an OLEDB connection string into Access.

4.I used the .UDL method to create a connection string and put that into the
VBA code to set the connection string as "Provider=SQLOLEDB;Integrated
Security=SSPI;Persist Security Info=False;Initial Catalog=TALEG_CI;Data
Source=FRxxxxxxx" where TALEG_CI is the db and FRxxxxxxx the server.

5.The Test Connection works fine on this connection.


BUT
---
6.When I look at the properties of the table in Access design mode it shows
the connection string as 3 above but with "ODBC;" added to the start of it
which is not in the string in my code (it really, really isn't). Is this
normal? Where's it coming from? Why is Access doing this? Because I suspect
this is why point 7 occurs (although I'm happy to be told otherwise).

7.When I attempt to open any of the tables up pops  a "Select Data Source"
dialog inviting me to select an ODBC source!!!!! 



I seem to be doing everything that everyone's suggested but I cannot get
this to work and am now under pressure.

Hope someone can help me crack this.

Andy













-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: 03 June 2012 18:17
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OLEDB connection string - Help please


Hi Andy:

First you can not run OLE until you have appropriate ADO drivers. They
usually look like MSADOxx.DLL and all the components will be found in a
directory like: 
C:\Program Files\Common Files\System\ado. If you find the ancient help file,
ADODC98.CHM you know you are getting warm.
...or... the ADO.Net drivers are usually built into the .Net libraries. I am
not as familiar with this as the process is usually totally automated within
VS and I am hardly a .Net guru like some of the people on this list are. 

It should be able to be run from either any version of Access or .Net. I do
not know how to test such an connection without code other than testing the
connection using the ODBC Data Source Administrator...which is site
dependant.

Have you been able to establish a connection through the ODSA? 

Once that is done, it should be really easy to do the rest. If you are
trying to get a data stream connection to, for example your latest MS SQL
server 2008, you have to make sure that MSSQL is set to accept connections
and allow access to its databases and tables...it took me over an hour, one
time to find the check boxes, through the SQL Management studio. Nothing
like that? What are you trying to connect to?

Sorry that I can not be of more help. Maybe if I know exactly what you are
trying to do, with which application, which what data server, on which OS,
in what type of environment, that might help.

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andy Lacey
Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2012 4:01 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OLEDB connection string - Help please

Is there any way of applying an OLEDB connection except through code?

Andy

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: 01 June 2012 17:40
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OLEDB connection string - Help please


Hi Andy:

Your ODBC file component, that you created and connected via your ODBC data
source administrator, should have a UDL extension. To expose the actual
connection string, that can be used, with the subsequent OLEDB connection,
either read the file with Notepad or change the extension to TXT.

Jim 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andrew Lacey
Sent: Friday, June 01, 2012 8:06 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OLEDB connection string - Help please

Oh it's there alright. I'm working with it fine using ODBC. Just want to
switch to OLEDB.

Andy


On 01 June 2012 at 15:49 Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:

> Hi Andy:
>
> Have you gone through all the basics? Sometimes the connection strings 
> are not wrong and it could just be that the connection is not working.
>
> Have you tried to "ping" or "net" the connector via IP address and 
> name,
at
> the command prompt?
>
> ping 24.123.456.5 or ping mydatabase.com ...and...
> net view and net use t: \\MyServer\MyShare ...and...
> net use s: \\MyServer\MyShare\ MyPassword /user:MyUsername 
> /persistent:no ...or...
> net use s: \\192.168.199.210\MyShare\ MyPassword /user:MyUsername 
> /persistent:no
>
> To remove test: net use s: /delete
>
> Once you are sure you can see and connect on a basic level then you 
> will feel more confident that you know you DB BE is there.
>
> HTH
> Jim
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andrew 
> Lacey
> Sent: Friday, June 01, 2012 5:32 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OLEDB connection string - Help please
>
> Heeeeellllllpppp please
>
>
> On 01 June 2012 at 08:17 Andrew Lacey <andy at minstersystems.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > Sorry, the error I'm getting is actually "Could not find installable
> ISAM".
> >
> > Andy
> >
> >
> > On 01 June 2012 at 08:06 Andrew Lacey <andy at minstersystems.co.uk> wrote:
> >
> > > Morning all
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I know I'm late to this but I'm trying to setup an OLEDB 
> > > connection
> string
> > > to
> > > SQL Server. I've found info on the web for this but I'm not having 
> > > any
> joy.
> > > This
> > > is a code snippet of what I have.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > strConnect = "Provider=SQLOLEDB;Data Source=FRGRAAPP02;Initial 
> > > Catalog=TALEG_CI;IntegratedSecurity=SSPI;"
> > >
> > > tdf.Connect = strConnect
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > where tdf is defined as DAO.Tabledef and is sitting on a table
> definition of
> > > a
> > > table currently linked to an MDB. The code fails, however, with 
> > > "Error Attaching tablename". Can anyone see what I'm doing wrong? 
> > > The Data Source is
the
> > > server
> > > name and TALEG_CI is the SQL Database which has no security on it.
We're
> > > wanting
> > > to use Windows authentication.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Help please. I really need this.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Cheers
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Andy
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From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Mon Jun  4 02:25:02 2012
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2012 08:25:02 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] OLEDB connection string - Help please
In-Reply-To: <02f701cd420d$9e9cb2d0$dbd61870$@activebilling.com.au>
Message-ID: <F0034B560AFC41C7A6AF18A704BD7F26@MINSTER>

Hi D, how you doing?

Thanks but do bear in mind that my whole problem is trying to move from ODBC
to OLEDB in order to avoid an ODBC link having to be installed on 85 user
machines. I already have it working fine in ODBC.

Cheers

Andy

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darren
Sent: 04 June 2012 05:51
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OLEDB connection string - Help please


Hi Andy
Play with the "Trusted Connection" value in the connection string.
I have had this issue in the past where this annoying credential popup
appears.
I pass the UserName and the Password in the ConnString and have started to
totally ignore the "TrustedConnection" setting.

Sample linking string below - watch for line wrap:
strODBCConn = "ODBC;Description=Test Connection;DRIVER=SQL Server;SERVER=" &
strServerIPAddress & ";APP=Microsoft Data Access Components;DATABASE=" &
strDBName & ";UID=" & strUserID & ";PWD=" & strPassword ' '&
";Trusted_Connection=yes"

...and then this to perform the link:
DoCmd.TransferDatabase acLink, "ODBC Database", strODBCConn, acTable,
"SomeTableInSQLServer", "tbl_TheTableNameAsIwantItInAccess", False

Also - I'll send over a sample DB I created ages ago that show these things
in action (If I can find it).
D

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andy Lacey
Sent: Monday, 4 June 2012 8:00 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OLEDB connection string - Help please

Aaargh! This is driving me nuts. I've moved on and I won't bore you with the
steps and missteps but this is where I am:

1.The SQL Server db exists and I can connect to it and open tables and see
data:
- via Access with an ODBC link
- via SQL Server Management Studio

2.In both cases I can connect to the db using Windows authentication and can
open tables without being asked for any further credentials.

3.I have now got an OLEDB connection string into Access.

4.I used the .UDL method to create a connection string and put that into the
VBA code to set the connection string as "Provider=SQLOLEDB;Integrated
Security=SSPI;Persist Security Info=False;Initial Catalog=TALEG_CI;Data
Source=FRxxxxxxx" where TALEG_CI is the db and FRxxxxxxx the server.

5.The Test Connection works fine on this connection.


BUT
---
6.When I look at the properties of the table in Access design mode it shows
the connection string as 3 above but with "ODBC;" added to the start of it
which is not in the string in my code (it really, really isn't). Is this
normal? Where's it coming from? Why is Access doing this? Because I suspect
this is why point 7 occurs (although I'm happy to be told otherwise).

7.When I attempt to open any of the tables up pops  a "Select Data Source"
dialog inviting me to select an ODBC source!!!!! 



I seem to be doing everything that everyone's suggested but I cannot get
this to work and am now under pressure.

Hope someone can help me crack this.

Andy













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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: 03 June 2012 18:17
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OLEDB connection string - Help please


Hi Andy:

First you can not run OLE until you have appropriate ADO drivers. They
usually look like MSADOxx.DLL and all the components will be found in a
directory like: 
C:\Program Files\Common Files\System\ado. If you find the ancient help file,
ADODC98.CHM you know you are getting warm.
...or... the ADO.Net drivers are usually built into the .Net libraries. I am
not as familiar with this as the process is usually totally automated within
VS and I am hardly a .Net guru like some of the people on this list are. 

It should be able to be run from either any version of Access or .Net. I do
not know how to test such an connection without code other than testing the
connection using the ODBC Data Source Administrator...which is site
dependant.

Have you been able to establish a connection through the ODSA? 

Once that is done, it should be really easy to do the rest. If you are
trying to get a data stream connection to, for example your latest MS SQL
server 2008, you have to make sure that MSSQL is set to accept connections
and allow access to its databases and tables...it took me over an hour, one
time to find the check boxes, through the SQL Management studio. Nothing
like that? What are you trying to connect to?

Sorry that I can not be of more help. Maybe if I know exactly what you are
trying to do, with which application, which what data server, on which OS,
in what type of environment, that might help.

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andy Lacey
Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2012 4:01 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OLEDB connection string - Help please

Is there any way of applying an OLEDB connection except through code?

Andy

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: 01 June 2012 17:40
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OLEDB connection string - Help please


Hi Andy:

Your ODBC file component, that you created and connected via your ODBC data
source administrator, should have a UDL extension. To expose the actual
connection string, that can be used, with the subsequent OLEDB connection,
either read the file with Notepad or change the extension to TXT.

Jim 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andrew Lacey
Sent: Friday, June 01, 2012 8:06 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OLEDB connection string - Help please

Oh it's there alright. I'm working with it fine using ODBC. Just want to
switch to OLEDB.

Andy


On 01 June 2012 at 15:49 Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:

> Hi Andy:
>
> Have you gone through all the basics? Sometimes the connection strings 
> are not wrong and it could just be that the connection is not working.
>
> Have you tried to "ping" or "net" the connector via IP address and 
> name,
at
> the command prompt?
>
> ping 24.123.456.5 or ping mydatabase.com ...and...
> net view and net use t: \\MyServer\MyShare ...and...
> net use s: \\MyServer\MyShare\ MyPassword /user:MyUsername 
> /persistent:no ...or...
> net use s: \\192.168.199.210\MyShare\ MyPassword /user:MyUsername 
> /persistent:no
>
> To remove test: net use s: /delete
>
> Once you are sure you can see and connect on a basic level then you 
> will feel more confident that you know you DB BE is there.
>
> HTH
> Jim
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andrew 
> Lacey
> Sent: Friday, June 01, 2012 5:32 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OLEDB connection string - Help please
>
> Heeeeellllllpppp please
>
>
> On 01 June 2012 at 08:17 Andrew Lacey <andy at minstersystems.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > Sorry, the error I'm getting is actually "Could not find installable
> ISAM".
> >
> > Andy
> >
> >
> > On 01 June 2012 at 08:06 Andrew Lacey <andy at minstersystems.co.uk> wrote:
> >
> > > Morning all
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I know I'm late to this but I'm trying to setup an OLEDB 
> > > connection
> string
> > > to
> > > SQL Server. I've found info on the web for this but I'm not having 
> > > any
> joy.
> > > This
> > > is a code snippet of what I have.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > strConnect = "Provider=SQLOLEDB;Data Source=FRGRAAPP02;Initial 
> > > Catalog=TALEG_CI;IntegratedSecurity=SSPI;"
> > >
> > > tdf.Connect = strConnect
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > where tdf is defined as DAO.Tabledef and is sitting on a table
> definition of
> > > a
> > > table currently linked to an MDB. The code fails, however, with 
> > > "Error Attaching tablename". Can anyone see what I'm doing wrong? 
> > > The Data Source is
the
> > > server
> > > name and TALEG_CI is the SQL Database which has no security on it.
We're
> > > wanting
> > > to use Windows authentication.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Help please. I really need this.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Cheers
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Andy
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From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Mon Jun  4 02:25:02 2012
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2012 08:25:02 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] OLEDB connection string - Help please
In-Reply-To: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B524F97401@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <5DFEAD3D9E59432FAAC4C8D57764B7FD@MINSTER>

Hi Darryl

That's the installable ISAM problem isn't it? I'm actually beyond that. That
occurred because I was trying to take tables linked to an MDB and switch
them via code to OLEDB (just to try to get the OLEDB to work. When I deleted
those links and attached SQL server tables via ODBC and then ran the code to
xsswitch to OLEDB the 'installable ISAM' error stopped. So there's a tip for
everyone.

Thanks anyway

Andy

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darryl Collins
Sent: 04 June 2012 03:13
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OLEDB connection string - Help please


Hi Andy,

I have had this issue before - there are a few reasons for it (I am sure you
have done Google to death), however this maybe worth a look

<< http://forums.codeguru.com/showthread.php?t=520619>>

Good luck - it is bloody annoying, that much I can remember!
Cheers
Darryl.

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andy Lacey
Sent: Monday, 4 June 2012 8:00 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OLEDB connection string - Help please

Aaargh! This is driving me nuts. I've moved on and I won't bore you with the
steps and missteps but this is where I am:

1.The SQL Server db exists and I can connect to it and open tables and see
data:
- via Access with an ODBC link
- via SQL Server Management Studio

2.In both cases I can connect to the db using Windows authentication and can
open tables without being asked for any further credentials.

3.I have now got an OLEDB connection string into Access.

4.I used the .UDL method to create a connection string and put that into the
VBA code to set the connection string as "Provider=SQLOLEDB;Integrated
Security=SSPI;Persist Security Info=False;Initial Catalog=TALEG_CI;Data
Source=FRxxxxxxx" where TALEG_CI is the db and FRxxxxxxx the server.

5.The Test Connection works fine on this connection.


BUT
---
6.When I look at the properties of the table in Access design mode it shows
the connection string as 3 above but with "ODBC;" added to the start of it
which is not in the string in my code (it really, really isn't). Is this
normal? Where's it coming from? Why is Access doing this? Because I suspect
this is why point 7 occurs (although I'm happy to be told otherwise).

7.When I attempt to open any of the tables up pops  a "Select Data Source"
dialog inviting me to select an ODBC source!!!!! 



I seem to be doing everything that everyone's suggested but I cannot get
this to work and am now under pressure.

Hope someone can help me crack this.

Andy













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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: 03 June 2012 18:17
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OLEDB connection string - Help please


Hi Andy:

First you can not run OLE until you have appropriate ADO drivers. They
usually look like MSADOxx.DLL and all the components will be found in a
directory like: 
C:\Program Files\Common Files\System\ado. If you find the ancient help file,
ADODC98.CHM you know you are getting warm.
...or... the ADO.Net drivers are usually built into the .Net libraries. I am
not as familiar with this as the process is usually totally automated within
VS and I am hardly a .Net guru like some of the people on this list are. 

It should be able to be run from either any version of Access or .Net. I do
not know how to test such an connection without code other than testing the
connection using the ODBC Data Source Administrator...which is site
dependant.

Have you been able to establish a connection through the ODSA? 

Once that is done, it should be really easy to do the rest. If you are
trying to get a data stream connection to, for example your latest MS SQL
server 2008, you have to make sure that MSSQL is set to accept connections
and allow access to its databases and tables...it took me over an hour, one
time to find the check boxes, through the SQL Management studio. Nothing
like that? What are you trying to connect to?

Sorry that I can not be of more help. Maybe if I know exactly what you are
trying to do, with which application, which what data server, on which OS,
in what type of environment, that might help.

Jim

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andy Lacey
Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2012 4:01 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OLEDB connection string - Help please

Is there any way of applying an OLEDB connection except through code?

Andy

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: 01 June 2012 17:40
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OLEDB connection string - Help please


Hi Andy:

Your ODBC file component, that you created and connected via your ODBC data
source administrator, should have a UDL extension. To expose the actual
connection string, that can be used, with the subsequent OLEDB connection,
either read the file with Notepad or change the extension to TXT.

Jim 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andrew Lacey
Sent: Friday, June 01, 2012 8:06 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OLEDB connection string - Help please

Oh it's there alright. I'm working with it fine using ODBC. Just want to
switch to OLEDB.

Andy


On 01 June 2012 at 15:49 Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:

> Hi Andy:
>
> Have you gone through all the basics? Sometimes the connection strings 
> are not wrong and it could just be that the connection is not working.
>
> Have you tried to "ping" or "net" the connector via IP address and 
> name,
at
> the command prompt?
>
> ping 24.123.456.5 or ping mydatabase.com ...and...
> net view and net use t: \\MyServer\MyShare ...and...
> net use s: \\MyServer\MyShare\ MyPassword /user:MyUsername 
> /persistent:no ...or...
> net use s: \\192.168.199.210\MyShare\ MyPassword /user:MyUsername 
> /persistent:no
>
> To remove test: net use s: /delete
>
> Once you are sure you can see and connect on a basic level then you 
> will feel more confident that you know you DB BE is there.
>
> HTH
> Jim
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andrew 
> Lacey
> Sent: Friday, June 01, 2012 5:32 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OLEDB connection string - Help please
>
> Heeeeellllllpppp please
>
>
> On 01 June 2012 at 08:17 Andrew Lacey <andy at minstersystems.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > Sorry, the error I'm getting is actually "Could not find installable
> ISAM".
> >
> > Andy
> >
> >
> > On 01 June 2012 at 08:06 Andrew Lacey <andy at minstersystems.co.uk> wrote:
> >
> > > Morning all
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I know I'm late to this but I'm trying to setup an OLEDB 
> > > connection
> string
> > > to
> > > SQL Server. I've found info on the web for this but I'm not having 
> > > any
> joy.
> > > This
> > > is a code snippet of what I have.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > strConnect = "Provider=SQLOLEDB;Data Source=FRGRAAPP02;Initial 
> > > Catalog=TALEG_CI;IntegratedSecurity=SSPI;"
> > >
> > > tdf.Connect = strConnect
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > where tdf is defined as DAO.Tabledef and is sitting on a table
> definition of
> > > a
> > > table currently linked to an MDB. The code fails, however, with 
> > > "Error Attaching tablename". Can anyone see what I'm doing wrong? 
> > > The Data Source is
the
> > > server
> > > name and TALEG_CI is the SQL Database which has no security on it.
We're
> > > wanting
> > > to use Windows authentication.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Help please. I really need this.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Cheers
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Andy
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From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Mon Jun  4 02:25:02 2012
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2012 08:25:02 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] OLEDB connection string - Help please
In-Reply-To: <1CD0332793934A70AE141E18CAC4D885@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <C4BBFD0A52E647118D8F71F28CFDD8EB@MINSTER>

Hi Jim
I have the ado folder you describe and in there I have:

Mdacreadme.htm
Adojavas.inc
Adovbs.inc
msadox.dll
Msado15.dll
Msader15.dll
Msadomd.dll
Msador15.dll
Msadrh15.dll
Msjro.dll
And a few tlb files

Does that sound ok?

Andy



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: 04 June 2012 03:02
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OLEDB connection string - Help please


Hi Andy:

The first question I would ask is do you have ADO installed? Without ADOs
OLEDB will not work. Which version of Access are you using? I have never had
any problems connection to a MS SQL server but then I have never made a
major Access application above A2003 so there may be other issues that I am
unaware of.

The connection strings I tend to use...similar:
"Provider=SQLOLEDB;Initial Catalog=TheClientsDatabase;Data
Source=TheClientsServer;Integrated Security=SSPI"

"Provider=SQLOLEDB;Initial Catalog=TALEG_CI;Data Source=FRxxxxxxx";
Integrated Security=SSPI;Persist Security Info=False;

The client's username and password, were already established when they
logged in and MS SQL server recognizes their access. Can ping the servers
1433 port. Does your application ask for a MS SQL server U and P at one
point or are you just using Windows integration?
  
Jim 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andy Lacey
Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2012 3:06 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OLEDB connection string - Help please

Does the .Attributes property come into this? Does that have to be changed
to switch from ODBC to OLEDB?

Andy



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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andy Lacey
Sent: 03 June 2012 23:00
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OLEDB connection string - Help please


Aaargh! This is driving me nuts. I've moved on and I won't bore you with the
steps and missteps but this is where I am:

1.The SQL Server db exists and I can connect to it and open tables and see
data:
- via Access with an ODBC link
- via SQL Server Management Studio

2.In both cases I can connect to the db using Windows authentication and can
open tables without being asked for any further credentials.

3.I have now got an OLEDB connection string into Access.

4.I used the .UDL method to create a connection string and put that into the
VBA code to set the connection string as "Provider=SQLOLEDB;Integrated
Security=SSPI;Persist Security Info=False;Initial Catalog=TALEG_CI;Data
Source=FRxxxxxxx" where TALEG_CI is the db and FRxxxxxxx the server.

5.The Test Connection works fine on this connection.


BUT
---
6.When I look at the properties of the table in Access design mode it shows
the connection string as 3 above but with "ODBC;" added to the start of it
which is not in the string in my code (it really, really isn't). Is this
normal? Where's it coming from? Why is Access doing this? Because I suspect
this is why point 7 occurs (although I'm happy to be told otherwise).

7.When I attempt to open any of the tables up pops  a "Select Data Source"
dialog inviting me to select an ODBC source!!!!! 



I seem to be doing everything that everyone's suggested but I cannot get
this to work and am now under pressure.

Hope someone can help me crack this.

Andy













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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: 03 June 2012 18:17
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OLEDB connection string - Help please


Hi Andy:

First you can not run OLE until you have appropriate ADO drivers. They
usually look like MSADOxx.DLL and all the components will be found in a
directory like: 
C:\Program Files\Common Files\System\ado. If you find the ancient help file,
ADODC98.CHM you know you are getting warm.
...or... the ADO.Net drivers are usually built into the .Net libraries. I am
not as familiar with this as the process is usually totally automated within
VS and I am hardly a .Net guru like some of the people on this list are. 

It should be able to be run from either any version of Access or .Net. I do
not know how to test such an connection without code other than testing the
connection using the ODBC Data Source Administrator...which is site
dependant.

Have you been able to establish a connection through the ODSA? 

Once that is done, it should be really easy to do the rest. If you are
trying to get a data stream connection to, for example your latest MS SQL
server 2008, you have to make sure that MSSQL is set to accept connections
and allow access to its databases and tables...it took me over an hour, one
time to find the check boxes, through the SQL Management studio. Nothing
like that? What are you trying to connect to?

Sorry that I can not be of more help. Maybe if I know exactly what you are
trying to do, with which application, which what data server, on which OS,
in what type of environment, that might help.

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andy Lacey
Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2012 4:01 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OLEDB connection string - Help please

Is there any way of applying an OLEDB connection except through code?

Andy

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: 01 June 2012 17:40
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OLEDB connection string - Help please


Hi Andy:

Your ODBC file component, that you created and connected via your ODBC data
source administrator, should have a UDL extension. To expose the actual
connection string, that can be used, with the subsequent OLEDB connection,
either read the file with Notepad or change the extension to TXT.

Jim 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andrew Lacey
Sent: Friday, June 01, 2012 8:06 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OLEDB connection string - Help please

Oh it's there alright. I'm working with it fine using ODBC. Just want to
switch
to OLEDB.

Andy


On 01 June 2012 at 15:49 Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:

> Hi Andy:
>
> Have you gone through all the basics? Sometimes the connection strings are
> not wrong and it could just be that the connection is not working.
>
> Have you tried to "ping" or "net" the connector via IP address and name,
at
> the command prompt?
>
> ping 24.123.456.5 or ping mydatabase.com
> ...and...
> net view and net use t: \\MyServer\MyShare
> ...and...
> net use s: \\MyServer\MyShare\ MyPassword /user:MyUsername /persistent:no
> ...or...
> net use s: \\192.168.199.210\MyShare\ MyPassword /user:MyUsername
> /persistent:no
>
> To remove test: net use s: /delete
>
> Once you are sure you can see and connect on a basic level then you will
> feel more confident that you know you DB BE is there.
>
> HTH
> Jim
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andrew Lacey
> Sent: Friday, June 01, 2012 5:32 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OLEDB connection string - Help please
>
> Heeeeellllllpppp please
>
>
> On 01 June 2012 at 08:17 Andrew Lacey <andy at minstersystems.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > Sorry, the error I'm getting is actually "Could not find installable
> ISAM".
> >
> > Andy
> >
> >
> > On 01 June 2012 at 08:06 Andrew Lacey <andy at minstersystems.co.uk> wrote:
> >
> > > Morning all
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I know I'm late to this but I'm trying to setup an OLEDB connection
> string
> > > to
> > > SQL Server. I've found info on the web for this but I'm not having any
> joy.
> > > This
> > > is a code snippet of what I have.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > strConnect = "Provider=SQLOLEDB;Data Source=FRGRAAPP02;Initial
> > > Catalog=TALEG_CI;IntegratedSecurity=SSPI;"
> > >
> > > tdf.Connect = strConnect
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > where tdf is defined as DAO.Tabledef and is sitting on a table
> definition of
> > > a
> > > table currently linked to an MDB. The code fails, however, with "Error
> > > Attaching
> > > tablename". Can anyone see what I'm doing wrong? The Data Source is
the
> > > server
> > > name and TALEG_CI is the SQL Database which has no security on it.
We're
> > > wanting
> > > to use Windows authentication.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Help please. I really need this.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Cheers
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Andy
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Mon Jun  4 03:03:39 2012
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2012 10:03:39 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Dvorak's rant on Windows 8
Message-ID: <sfcc8808.008@cactus.dk>

Hi Mark et al

Correct or not, he hasn't seen the light, he hasn't even bothered exploring what he has installed to an extent that you may think he hasn't installed it at all, only watched Windows 8 somewhere. It's amazing that a person of his said capabilities hasn't noticed that a Windows 7 styled desktop is 1 (one!) click away.

It's interesting to watch that for once Microsoft is on par with first-movers and far ahead of the general public - in fact with such a distance that most haven't caught what is going on. Dvorak's "review" is just one example more.

The Metro design and interface is a masterpiece which will allow Microsoft to create interfaces for all current devices - from a 2- or 4-tile sized light switch-style control unit in your living room, via Windows Phone and a tablet (the main target for Metro of Windows 8), touch operated POS systems and other desktop sized units, touchable TV sets, to large sized board and table interfaces - an beyond, like Kinect operated video projectors or laser pointer operated cinema screens - to two of the near-future giant areas: interfaces for cars and home appliances where small touch operated displays is what we can expect and nothing beats Metro here.

To me the goal is clear. Microsoft wants to be everywhere you touch anything that is computer related and - when you do so - you will feel Windows wether you pay notice or not.

Also, and this is very important, don't forget all the humans not that (or at all) familiar with computers. These - very young, old, or just inexperienced - can touch with a finger even if they can't read. With Metro you have a solid foundation to create interfaces for most special areas. 

When you have used Metro for a while, other interfaces look outdated. Worst of all is the Mac desktop where the icons at the bottom bar are zoomed up as if you were an idiot, and windows don't get minimized - they get sucked away! It is so ugly to view and serves no other purpose than showing it can done.

/gustav


>>> marksimms at verizon.net 02-06-12 1:57 >>>
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/microsoft-reinvents-the-wheel-with-windows-8-2012-06-01?dist=afterbell

 

He's usually correct.

Hard to believe Balmer and company are about to blow it again.


From gustav at cactus.dk  Mon Jun  4 03:39:25 2012
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2012 10:39:25 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] VPN
Message-ID: <sfcc9079.011@cactus.dk>

Hi John

Gbridge:

http://www.gbridge.com/

Authenticates each peer with a Gtalk account.

/gustav


>>> jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com 04-06-12 5:06 >>>
I have used Hamachi since forever.  Recently they limited the number of users on any given (free) 
network to 5, which is pretty much useless.

So I am on the hunt.

My situation is as follows.  I have several different SQL Server databases, all running on a server 
here at my office.  These are low traffic DBs but they are for entirely different clients.  Using 
Hamachi I built a VPN for each client, different LAN name, different password, only the people I 
allowed could join the networks.  The Hamachi software allowed me to set up "types" of networks 
including mesh (everything could see everything), and hub and spoke where everything could see the 
hub but the spokes could not see each other.  That is really what I need.  In my case the spokes are 
individual's computers in "virtual companies" and nobody wants other people seeing / accessing their 
computers.

What I am hoping to accomplish is to get some Linux widget being my VPN "server", allowing me to do 
the same kind of thing.  As I said I have always used Hamachi and it was slick and worked (mostly) 
but I cannot afford to buy the new Hamachi licenses, these are non-profits and I do not charge them 
for what I am doing.

So does anyone know of an "equivalent" to what Hamachi does?  I am even willing to go buy an (under 
$200) "router" box to do this, however whatever it is needs to be easy to set up.  There is the 
potential to have dozens of users that I have to manage access for and I really don't want to get 
bogged down in that job.

What would be ideal would be a VM on Hyper-V running Linux running MySQL and an easy to manage 
firewall app for setting this stuff up.

What I have figured out how to do is a VM on Hyper-V running Windows 2003 X32 running SQL Server and 
Hamachi, which was working just fine until a couple of months ago when LogMeIn decided to play 
nasty.  Sigh.

-- 
John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it


From hans.andersen at phulse.com  Mon Jun  4 03:54:05 2012
From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen)
Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2012 01:54:05 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Dvorak's rant on Windows 8
In-Reply-To: <sfcc8808.008@cactus.dk>
References: <sfcc8808.008@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <B7E928BD-D5EF-4B41-AAB4-BC53FB28276E@phulse.com>



Just so you know, the icons on the bottom of a Mac do not zoom by default. You actually have to turn on that feature. Secondly, I'm not sure how you can say that an animation of a shrinking applications are a bad thing when you compare it to the multiple magical corners of a screen that you need to access in order to even launch an application or shut down a machine. Surely an animation is a harmless little feature that adds to the user interface (after all, Windows Vista/7 does very much the same thing, just slightly different, including the ALT-TAB flipping of applications), which does not obscure the operation of that computer, while the operation of Windows 8 is much less intuitive and requires learning and remembering.

Hans


On 2012-06-04, at 1:03 AM, Gustav Brock wrote:

> Hi Mark et al
> 
> Correct or not, he hasn't seen the light, he hasn't even bothered exploring what he has installed to an extent that you may think he hasn't installed it at all, only watched Windows 8 somewhere. It's amazing that a person of his said capabilities hasn't noticed that a Windows 7 styled desktop is 1 (one!) click away.
> 
> It's interesting to watch that for once Microsoft is on par with first-movers and far ahead of the general public - in fact with such a distance that most haven't caught what is going on. Dvorak's "review" is just one example more.
> 
> The Metro design and interface is a masterpiece which will allow Microsoft to create interfaces for all current devices - from a 2- or 4-tile sized light switch-style control unit in your living room, via Windows Phone and a tablet (the main target for Metro of Windows 8), touch operated POS systems and other desktop sized units, touchable TV sets, to large sized board and table interfaces - an beyond, like Kinect operated video projectors or laser pointer operated cinema screens - to two of the near-future giant areas: interfaces for cars and home appliances where small touch operated displays is what we can expect and nothing beats Metro here.
> 
> To me the goal is clear. Microsoft wants to be everywhere you touch anything that is computer related and - when you do so - you will feel Windows wether you pay notice or not.
> 
> Also, and this is very important, don't forget all the humans not that (or at all) familiar with computers. These - very young, old, or just inexperienced - can touch with a finger even if they can't read. With Metro you have a solid foundation to create interfaces for most special areas. 
> 
> When you have used Metro for a while, other interfaces look outdated. Worst of all is the Mac desktop where the icons at the bottom bar are zoomed up as if you were an idiot, and windows don't get minimized - they get sucked away! It is so ugly to view and serves no other purpose than showing it can done.
> 
> /gustav
> 
> 
>>>> marksimms at verizon.net 02-06-12 1:57 >>>
> http://www.marketwatch.com/story/microsoft-reinvents-the-wheel-with-windows-8-2012-06-01?dist=afterbell
> 
> 
> 
> He's usually correct.
> 
> Hard to believe Balmer and company are about to blow it again.
> 
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From mcp2004 at mail.ru  Mon Jun  4 03:58:02 2012
From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=)
Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2012 12:58:02 +0400
Subject: [AccessD] =?utf-8?q?Dvorak=27s_rant_on_Windows_8?=
In-Reply-To: <sfcc8808.008@cactus.dk>
References: <sfcc8808.008@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <E1SbT6w-0001uE-6a.mcp2004-mail-ru@f126.mail.ru>

Hi Gustav --

Thank you for your detailed note on Windows 8  and Metro style.

> When you have used Metro for a while, other interfaces look outdated. 
Yes, this is my perception too as I have already noted here - and  I have only used Windows Phone 7 for half+ year...

> These - very young, old, or just inexperienced - can touch with a finger even if they can't read. 
Yes... a few days ago I have got "captured"myself that I wanted to touch-click an [OK] button on a MS Windows 7 system popup dialog window of my desktop system, which isn't touch enabled. That was funny: my finger did get very close to the display surface before I realized that what I'm going to do (touch-click) will not work on that device.... :)

I guess another Windows 8 feature to attract many users will be SkyDrive synchronization of all devices running Windows 8 - and as most of desktop systems worldwide are currently mainly running Windows then it will be natural to users to get Windows Phone 8 smart-phones or Internet pads, and Android and iPhones will have to provide SkyDrive synchronization features too to keep their users not moving to WinPhones/WinPads...

...

Thank you.

-- Shamil

Mon, 04 Jun 2012 10:03:39 +0200 ?? "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>:
> Hi Mark et al
> 
> Correct or not, he hasn't seen the light, he hasn't even bothered exploring what he has installed to an extent that you may think he hasn't installed it at all, only watched Windows 8 somewhere. It's amazing that a person of his said capabilities hasn't noticed that a Windows 7 styled desktop is 1 (one!) click away.
> 
> It's interesting to watch that for once Microsoft is on par with first-movers and far ahead of the general public - in fact with such a distance that most haven't caught what is going on. Dvorak's "review" is just one example more.
> 
> The Metro design and interface is a masterpiece which will allow Microsoft to create interfaces for all current devices - from a 2- or 4-tile sized light switch-style control unit in your living room, via Windows Phone and a tablet (the main target for Metro of Windows 8), touch operated POS systems and other desktop sized units, touchable TV sets, to large sized board and table interfaces - an beyond, like Kinect operated video projectors or laser pointer operated cinema screens - to two of the near-future giant areas: interfaces for cars and home appliances where small touch operated displays is what we can expect and nothing beats Metro here.
> 
> To me the goal is clear. Microsoft wants to be everywhere you touch anything that is computer related and - when you do so - you will feel Windows wether you pay notice or not.
> 
> Also, and this is very important, don't forget all the humans not that (or at all) familiar with computers. These - very young, old, or just inexperienced - can touch with a finger even if they can't read. With Metro you have a solid foundation to create interfaces for most special areas. 
> 
> When you have used Metro for a while, other interfaces look outdated. Worst of all is the Mac desktop where the icons at the bottom bar are zoomed up as if you were an idiot, and windows don't get minimized - they get sucked away! It is so ugly to view and serves no other purpose than showing it can done.
> 
> /gustav
> 
> 
> >>> marksimms at verizon.net 02-06-12 1:57 >>>
> http://www.marketwatch.com/story/microsoft-reinvents-the-wheel-with-windows-8-2012-06-01?dist=afterbell
> 
>  
> 
> He's usually correct.
> 
> Hard to believe Balmer and company are about to blow it again.
> 
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> 


From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Mon Jun  4 04:25:58 2012
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2012 10:25:58 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] OLEDB connection string - Help please
In-Reply-To: <02f701cd420d$9e9cb2d0$dbd61870$@activebilling.com.au>
Message-ID: <E57A0E30222E4C30BCF5246CF68D0CE8@MINSTER>

Darren, I'm intrigued by the DoCmd.TransferDatabase acLink you use. I've
never created a link this way. Does this create a link or refresh an
existing one? IOW should I already link the table before running this or
not? I'm guessing not.

Disappointingly when I run this I'm getting a message that Jet cannot find
the SQL table so I'm doing something wrong because the table's spelt right.

Doing it this way do you avoid the user pc's having to have an ODBC data
source setup? That's what I'm trying to avoid. I don't see any mention in
your connection string of a data source so I'm hoping this avoids that step
by embedding everything needed in that connection string. If only I could
get it to work!!

Can you see anything wrong with this? I've discovered that I have to use SQL
authentication not Windows because users are in different domains from the
db. The user and pw are as supplied and do work when I connect manually. To
save any risk I've replaced the server with xxxxx and the db itself with
yyyyy. As I say this gives that Jet error saying it cannot "find the object
dbo_FXEBCLIE".

---------------------
Function NewTest() 
Dim strConn As String 

strConn = "ODBC;Description=NewFDB;Driver=SQL
Server;SERVER=xxxxxx;APP=Microsoft Access Data
Components;DATABASE=yyyyy;UID=FDB_GRASSE;PWD=F3d3r4l_DB;TRUSTED_CONNECTION=y
es" 

DoCmd.TransferDatabase acLink, "ODBC Database", strConn, acTable,
"dbo_FXEBCLIE", "tblFXEBCLIE", False, True 

End Function 

---------------


Andy

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darren
Sent: 04 June 2012 05:51
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OLEDB connection string - Help please


Hi Andy
Play with the "Trusted Connection" value in the connection string.
I have had this issue in the past where this annoying credential popup
appears.
I pass the UserName and the Password in the ConnString and have started to
totally ignore the "TrustedConnection" setting.

Sample linking string below - watch for line wrap:
strODBCConn = "ODBC;Description=Test Connection;DRIVER=SQL Server;SERVER=" &
strServerIPAddress & ";APP=Microsoft Data Access Components;DATABASE=" &
strDBName & ";UID=" & strUserID & ";PWD=" & strPassword ' '&
";Trusted_Connection=yes"

...and then this to perform the link:
DoCmd.TransferDatabase acLink, "ODBC Database", strODBCConn, acTable,
"SomeTableInSQLServer", "tbl_TheTableNameAsIwantItInAccess", False

Also - I'll send over a sample DB I created ages ago that show these things
in action (If I can find it).
D

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andy Lacey
Sent: Monday, 4 June 2012 8:00 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OLEDB connection string - Help please

Aaargh! This is driving me nuts. I've moved on and I won't bore you with the
steps and missteps but this is where I am:

1.The SQL Server db exists and I can connect to it and open tables and see
data:
- via Access with an ODBC link
- via SQL Server Management Studio

2.In both cases I can connect to the db using Windows authentication and can
open tables without being asked for any further credentials.

3.I have now got an OLEDB connection string into Access.

4.I used the .UDL method to create a connection string and put that into the
VBA code to set the connection string as "Provider=SQLOLEDB;Integrated
Security=SSPI;Persist Security Info=False;Initial Catalog=TALEG_CI;Data
Source=FRxxxxxxx" where TALEG_CI is the db and FRxxxxxxx the server.

5.The Test Connection works fine on this connection.


BUT
---
6.When I look at the properties of the table in Access design mode it shows
the connection string as 3 above but with "ODBC;" added to the start of it
which is not in the string in my code (it really, really isn't). Is this
normal? Where's it coming from? Why is Access doing this? Because I suspect
this is why point 7 occurs (although I'm happy to be told otherwise).

7.When I attempt to open any of the tables up pops  a "Select Data Source"
dialog inviting me to select an ODBC source!!!!! 



I seem to be doing everything that everyone's suggested but I cannot get
this to work and am now under pressure.

Hope someone can help me crack this.

Andy













-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: 03 June 2012 18:17
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OLEDB connection string - Help please


Hi Andy:

First you can not run OLE until you have appropriate ADO drivers. They
usually look like MSADOxx.DLL and all the components will be found in a
directory like: 
C:\Program Files\Common Files\System\ado. If you find the ancient help file,
ADODC98.CHM you know you are getting warm.
...or... the ADO.Net drivers are usually built into the .Net libraries. I am
not as familiar with this as the process is usually totally automated within
VS and I am hardly a .Net guru like some of the people on this list are. 

It should be able to be run from either any version of Access or .Net. I do
not know how to test such an connection without code other than testing the
connection using the ODBC Data Source Administrator...which is site
dependant.

Have you been able to establish a connection through the ODSA? 

Once that is done, it should be really easy to do the rest. If you are
trying to get a data stream connection to, for example your latest MS SQL
server 2008, you have to make sure that MSSQL is set to accept connections
and allow access to its databases and tables...it took me over an hour, one
time to find the check boxes, through the SQL Management studio. Nothing
like that? What are you trying to connect to?

Sorry that I can not be of more help. Maybe if I know exactly what you are
trying to do, with which application, which what data server, on which OS,
in what type of environment, that might help.

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andy Lacey
Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2012 4:01 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OLEDB connection string - Help please

Is there any way of applying an OLEDB connection except through code?

Andy

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: 01 June 2012 17:40
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OLEDB connection string - Help please


Hi Andy:

Your ODBC file component, that you created and connected via your ODBC data
source administrator, should have a UDL extension. To expose the actual
connection string, that can be used, with the subsequent OLEDB connection,
either read the file with Notepad or change the extension to TXT.

Jim 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andrew Lacey
Sent: Friday, June 01, 2012 8:06 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OLEDB connection string - Help please

Oh it's there alright. I'm working with it fine using ODBC. Just want to
switch to OLEDB.

Andy


On 01 June 2012 at 15:49 Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:

> Hi Andy:
>
> Have you gone through all the basics? Sometimes the connection strings 
> are not wrong and it could just be that the connection is not working.
>
> Have you tried to "ping" or "net" the connector via IP address and 
> name,
at
> the command prompt?
>
> ping 24.123.456.5 or ping mydatabase.com ...and...
> net view and net use t: \\MyServer\MyShare ...and...
> net use s: \\MyServer\MyShare\ MyPassword /user:MyUsername 
> /persistent:no ...or...
> net use s: \\192.168.199.210\MyShare\ MyPassword /user:MyUsername 
> /persistent:no
>
> To remove test: net use s: /delete
>
> Once you are sure you can see and connect on a basic level then you 
> will feel more confident that you know you DB BE is there.
>
> HTH
> Jim
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andrew 
> Lacey
> Sent: Friday, June 01, 2012 5:32 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OLEDB connection string - Help please
>
> Heeeeellllllpppp please
>
>
> On 01 June 2012 at 08:17 Andrew Lacey <andy at minstersystems.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > Sorry, the error I'm getting is actually "Could not find installable
> ISAM".
> >
> > Andy
> >
> >
> > On 01 June 2012 at 08:06 Andrew Lacey <andy at minstersystems.co.uk> wrote:
> >
> > > Morning all
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I know I'm late to this but I'm trying to setup an OLEDB 
> > > connection
> string
> > > to
> > > SQL Server. I've found info on the web for this but I'm not having 
> > > any
> joy.
> > > This
> > > is a code snippet of what I have.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > strConnect = "Provider=SQLOLEDB;Data Source=FRGRAAPP02;Initial 
> > > Catalog=TALEG_CI;IntegratedSecurity=SSPI;"
> > >
> > > tdf.Connect = strConnect
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > where tdf is defined as DAO.Tabledef and is sitting on a table
> definition of
> > > a
> > > table currently linked to an MDB. The code fails, however, with 
> > > "Error Attaching tablename". Can anyone see what I'm doing wrong? 
> > > The Data Source is
the
> > > server
> > > name and TALEG_CI is the SQL Database which has no security on it.
We're
> > > wanting
> > > to use Windows authentication.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Help please. I really need this.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Cheers
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Andy
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Mon Jun  4 05:38:55 2012
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2012 20:38:55 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] OLEDB connection string - Help please
In-Reply-To: <E57A0E30222E4C30BCF5246CF68D0CE8@MINSTER>
References: <02f701cd420d$9e9cb2d0$dbd61870$@activebilling.com.au>,
	<E57A0E30222E4C30BCF5246CF68D0CE8@MINSTER>
Message-ID: <4FCC903F.16285.1B475BA5@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

I use the Do cmd.TransferDatabase in a lot of applications.

Try

DoCmd.TransferDatabase acLink, "ODBC Database", strConn, acTable,
"FXEBCLIE", "tblFXEBCLIE", False, True 

without the dbo_

That one has bitten me a few times - Access renames the fully qualified dbo.TABLENAME to 
dbo_TABLENAME when you create a link directly using the linked table manager.  This then 
causes problems when you automate the process.  Now I always rename dbo_TABLENAME 
to just TABLENAME in the FE  after linking manually.


-- 
Stuart



On 4 Jun 2012 at 10:25, Andy Lacey wrote:

> Darren, I'm intrigued by the DoCmd.TransferDatabase acLink you use. I've
> never created a link this way. Does this create a link or refresh an
> existing one? IOW should I already link the table before running this or
> not? I'm guessing not.
> 
> Disappointingly when I run this I'm getting a message that Jet cannot find
> the SQL table so I'm doing something wrong because the table's spelt right.
> 
> Doing it this way do you avoid the user pc's having to have an ODBC data
> source setup? That's what I'm trying to avoid. I don't see any mention in
> your connection string of a data source so I'm hoping this avoids that step
> by embedding everything needed in that connection string. If only I could
> get it to work!!
> 
> Can you see anything wrong with this? I've discovered that I have to use SQL
> authentication not Windows because users are in different domains from the
> db. The user and pw are as supplied and do work when I connect manually. To
> save any risk I've replaced the server with xxxxx and the db itself with
> yyyyy. As I say this gives that Jet error saying it cannot "find the object
> dbo_FXEBCLIE".
> 
> ---------------------
> Function NewTest() 
> Dim strConn As String 
> 
> strConn = "ODBC;Description=NewFDB;Driver=SQL
> Server;SERVER=xxxxxx;APP=Microsoft Access Data
> Components;DATABASE=yyyyy;UID=FDB_GRASSE;PWD=F3d3r4l_DB;TRUSTED_CONNECTION=y
> es" 
> 
> DoCmd.TransferDatabase acLink, "ODBC Database", strConn, acTable,
> "dbo_FXEBCLIE", "tblFXEBCLIE", False, True 
> 
> End Function 
> 
> ---------------
> 
> 
> Andy
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darren
> Sent: 04 June 2012 05:51
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OLEDB connection string - Help please
> 
> 
> Hi Andy
> Play with the "Trusted Connection" value in the connection string.
> I have had this issue in the past where this annoying credential popup
> appears.
> I pass the UserName and the Password in the ConnString and have started to
> totally ignore the "TrustedConnection" setting.
> 
> Sample linking string below - watch for line wrap:
> strODBCConn = "ODBC;Description=Test Connection;DRIVER=SQL Server;SERVER=" &
> strServerIPAddress & ";APP=Microsoft Data Access Components;DATABASE=" &
> strDBName & ";UID=" & strUserID & ";PWD=" & strPassword ' '&
> ";Trusted_Connection=yes"
> 
> ...and then this to perform the link:
> DoCmd.TransferDatabase acLink, "ODBC Database", strODBCConn, acTable,
> "SomeTableInSQLServer", "tbl_TheTableNameAsIwantItInAccess", False
> 
> Also - I'll send over a sample DB I created ages ago that show these things
> in action (If I can find it).
> D
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andy Lacey
> Sent: Monday, 4 June 2012 8:00 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OLEDB connection string - Help please
> 
> Aaargh! This is driving me nuts. I've moved on and I won't bore you with the
> steps and missteps but this is where I am:
> 
> 1.The SQL Server db exists and I can connect to it and open tables and see
> data:
> - via Access with an ODBC link
> - via SQL Server Management Studio
> 
> 2.In both cases I can connect to the db using Windows authentication and can
> open tables without being asked for any further credentials.
> 
> 3.I have now got an OLEDB connection string into Access.
> 
> 4.I used the .UDL method to create a connection string and put that into the
> VBA code to set the connection string as "Provider=SQLOLEDB;Integrated
> Security=SSPI;Persist Security Info=False;Initial Catalog=TALEG_CI;Data
> Source=FRxxxxxxx" where TALEG_CI is the db and FRxxxxxxx the server.
> 
> 5.The Test Connection works fine on this connection.
> 
> 
> BUT
> ---
> 6.When I look at the properties of the table in Access design mode it shows
> the connection string as 3 above but with "ODBC;" added to the start of it
> which is not in the string in my code (it really, really isn't). Is this
> normal? Where's it coming from? Why is Access doing this? Because I suspect
> this is why point 7 occurs (although I'm happy to be told otherwise).
> 
> 7.When I attempt to open any of the tables up pops  a "Select Data Source"
> dialog inviting me to select an ODBC source!!!!! 
> 
> 
> 
> I seem to be doing everything that everyone's suggested but I cannot get
> this to work and am now under pressure.
> 
> Hope someone can help me crack this.
> 
> Andy
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
> Sent: 03 June 2012 18:17
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OLEDB connection string - Help please
> 
> 
> Hi Andy:
> 
> First you can not run OLE until you have appropriate ADO drivers. They
> usually look like MSADOxx.DLL and all the components will be found in a
> directory like: 
> C:\Program Files\Common Files\System\ado. If you find the ancient help file,
> ADODC98.CHM you know you are getting warm.
> ...or... the ADO.Net drivers are usually built into the .Net libraries. I am
> not as familiar with this as the process is usually totally automated within
> VS and I am hardly a .Net guru like some of the people on this list are. 
> 
> It should be able to be run from either any version of Access or .Net. I do
> not know how to test such an connection without code other than testing the
> connection using the ODBC Data Source Administrator...which is site
> dependant.
> 
> Have you been able to establish a connection through the ODSA? 
> 
> Once that is done, it should be really easy to do the rest. If you are
> trying to get a data stream connection to, for example your latest MS SQL
> server 2008, you have to make sure that MSSQL is set to accept connections
> and allow access to its databases and tables...it took me over an hour, one
> time to find the check boxes, through the SQL Management studio. Nothing
> like that? What are you trying to connect to?
> 
> Sorry that I can not be of more help. Maybe if I know exactly what you are
> trying to do, with which application, which what data server, on which OS,
> in what type of environment, that might help.
> 
> Jim
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andy Lacey
> Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2012 4:01 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OLEDB connection string - Help please
> 
> Is there any way of applying an OLEDB connection except through code?
> 
> Andy
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
> Sent: 01 June 2012 17:40
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OLEDB connection string - Help please
> 
> 
> Hi Andy:
> 
> Your ODBC file component, that you created and connected via your ODBC data
> source administrator, should have a UDL extension. To expose the actual
> connection string, that can be used, with the subsequent OLEDB connection,
> either read the file with Notepad or change the extension to TXT.
> 
> Jim 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andrew Lacey
> Sent: Friday, June 01, 2012 8:06 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OLEDB connection string - Help please
> 
> Oh it's there alright. I'm working with it fine using ODBC. Just want to
> switch to OLEDB.
> 
> Andy
> 
> 
> On 01 June 2012 at 15:49 Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:
> 
> > Hi Andy:
> >
> > Have you gone through all the basics? Sometimes the connection strings 
> > are not wrong and it could just be that the connection is not working.
> >
> > Have you tried to "ping" or "net" the connector via IP address and 
> > name,
> at
> > the command prompt?
> >
> > ping 24.123.456.5 or ping mydatabase.com ...and...
> > net view and net use t: \\MyServer\MyShare ...and...
> > net use s: \\MyServer\MyShare\ MyPassword /user:MyUsername 
> > /persistent:no ...or...
> > net use s: \\192.168.199.210\MyShare\ MyPassword /user:MyUsername 
> > /persistent:no
> >
> > To remove test: net use s: /delete
> >
> > Once you are sure you can see and connect on a basic level then you 
> > will feel more confident that you know you DB BE is there.
> >
> > HTH
> > Jim
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andrew 
> > Lacey
> > Sent: Friday, June 01, 2012 5:32 AM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] OLEDB connection string - Help please
> >
> > Heeeeellllllpppp please
> >
> >
> > On 01 June 2012 at 08:17 Andrew Lacey <andy at minstersystems.co.uk> wrote:
> >
> > > Sorry, the error I'm getting is actually "Could not find installable
> > ISAM".
> > >
> > > Andy
> > >
> > >
> > > On 01 June 2012 at 08:06 Andrew Lacey <andy at minstersystems.co.uk> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Morning all
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I know I'm late to this but I'm trying to setup an OLEDB 
> > > > connection
> > string
> > > > to
> > > > SQL Server. I've found info on the web for this but I'm not having 
> > > > any
> > joy.
> > > > This
> > > > is a code snippet of what I have.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > strConnect = "Provider=SQLOLEDB;Data Source=FRGRAAPP02;Initial 
> > > > Catalog=TALEG_CI;IntegratedSecurity=SSPI;"
> > > >
> > > > tdf.Connect = strConnect
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > where tdf is defined as DAO.Tabledef and is sitting on a table
> > definition of
> > > > a
> > > > table currently linked to an MDB. The code fails, however, with 
> > > > "Error Attaching tablename". Can anyone see what I'm doing wrong? 
> > > > The Data Source is
> the
> > > > server
> > > > name and TALEG_CI is the SQL Database which has no security on it.
> We're
> > > > wanting
> > > > to use Windows authentication.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Help please. I really need this.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Cheers
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Andy
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Jun  4 06:37:56 2012
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2012 07:37:56 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] VPN
In-Reply-To: <sfcc9079.011@cactus.dk>
References: <sfcc9079.011@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <4FCC9E14.9090908@colbyconsulting.com>

Have you used it?

Remember I need a business VPN where clients see a server but not each other.  This really sounds 
like a "friends" VPN for allowing a bunch of "friends" to see each other, exactly the opposite of 
what I need.

However I haven't explored beyond their description page.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 6/4/2012 4:39 AM, Gustav Brock wrote:
> Hi John
>
> Gbridge:
>
> http://www.gbridge.com/
>
> Authenticates each peer with a Gtalk account.
>
> /gustav
>
>
>>>> jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com 04-06-12 5:06>>>
> I have used Hamachi since forever.  Recently they limited the number of users on any given (free)
> network to 5, which is pretty much useless.
>
> So I am on the hunt.
>
> My situation is as follows.  I have several different SQL Server databases, all running on a server
> here at my office.  These are low traffic DBs but they are for entirely different clients.  Using
> Hamachi I built a VPN for each client, different LAN name, different password, only the people I
> allowed could join the networks.  The Hamachi software allowed me to set up "types" of networks
> including mesh (everything could see everything), and hub and spoke where everything could see the
> hub but the spokes could not see each other.  That is really what I need.  In my case the spokes are
> individual's computers in "virtual companies" and nobody wants other people seeing / accessing their
> computers.
>
> What I am hoping to accomplish is to get some Linux widget being my VPN "server", allowing me to do
> the same kind of thing.  As I said I have always used Hamachi and it was slick and worked (mostly)
> but I cannot afford to buy the new Hamachi licenses, these are non-profits and I do not charge them
> for what I am doing.
>
> So does anyone know of an "equivalent" to what Hamachi does?  I am even willing to go buy an (under
> $200) "router" box to do this, however whatever it is needs to be easy to set up.  There is the
> potential to have dozens of users that I have to manage access for and I really don't want to get
> bogged down in that job.
>
> What would be ideal would be a VM on Hyper-V running Linux running MySQL and an easy to manage
> firewall app for setting this stuff up.
>
> What I have figured out how to do is a VM on Hyper-V running Windows 2003 X32 running SQL Server and
> Hamachi, which was working just fine until a couple of months ago when LogMeIn decided to play
> nasty.  Sigh.
>


From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Jun  4 06:43:39 2012
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2012 07:43:39 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] VPN
In-Reply-To: <sfcc9079.011@cactus.dk>
References: <sfcc9079.011@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <4FCC9F6B.30308@colbyconsulting.com>

 From reading the FAQs this looks like a slick thing, though not what I need for allowing access to 
my SQL Servers.  I see it being cool for helping relatives to do things, sharing files and stuff 
like that.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 6/4/2012 4:39 AM, Gustav Brock wrote:
> Hi John
>
> Gbridge:
>
> http://www.gbridge.com/
>
> Authenticates each peer with a Gtalk account.
>
> /gustav
>
>
>>>> jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com 04-06-12 5:06>>>
> I have used Hamachi since forever.  Recently they limited the number of users on any given (free)
> network to 5, which is pretty much useless.
>
> So I am on the hunt.
>
> My situation is as follows.  I have several different SQL Server databases, all running on a server
> here at my office.  These are low traffic DBs but they are for entirely different clients.  Using
> Hamachi I built a VPN for each client, different LAN name, different password, only the people I
> allowed could join the networks.  The Hamachi software allowed me to set up "types" of networks
> including mesh (everything could see everything), and hub and spoke where everything could see the
> hub but the spokes could not see each other.  That is really what I need.  In my case the spokes are
> individual's computers in "virtual companies" and nobody wants other people seeing / accessing their
> computers.
>
> What I am hoping to accomplish is to get some Linux widget being my VPN "server", allowing me to do
> the same kind of thing.  As I said I have always used Hamachi and it was slick and worked (mostly)
> but I cannot afford to buy the new Hamachi licenses, these are non-profits and I do not charge them
> for what I am doing.
>
> So does anyone know of an "equivalent" to what Hamachi does?  I am even willing to go buy an (under
> $200) "router" box to do this, however whatever it is needs to be easy to set up.  There is the
> potential to have dozens of users that I have to manage access for and I really don't want to get
> bogged down in that job.
>
> What would be ideal would be a VM on Hyper-V running Linux running MySQL and an easy to manage
> firewall app for setting this stuff up.
>
> What I have figured out how to do is a VM on Hyper-V running Windows 2003 X32 running SQL Server and
> Hamachi, which was working just fine until a couple of months ago when LogMeIn decided to play
> nasty.  Sigh.
>


From gustav at cactus.dk  Mon Jun  4 07:06:21 2012
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2012 14:06:21 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] VPN
Message-ID: <sfccc0f8.025@cactus.dk>

Hi John

Yes, I've used it. It worked extremely reliable.
That was for sharing drives to exchange files between our two geographic locations. However, you can cut off all the fun stuff down to the basic VPN driver (giving you addresses in the 80.x.x.x range if I recall correctly).

I left it when we established our two sites' AD domain using a private VPN between a secondary router at each site.

/gustav


>>> jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com 04-06-12 13:43 >>>
 From reading the FAQs this looks like a slick thing, though not what I need for allowing access to 
my SQL Servers.  I see it being cool for helping relatives to do things, sharing files and stuff 
like that.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 6/4/2012 4:39 AM, Gustav Brock wrote:
> Hi John
>
> Gbridge:
>
> http://www.gbridge.com/
>
> Authenticates each peer with a Gtalk account.
>
> /gustav


From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Jun  4 07:03:42 2012
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2012 08:03:42 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] VPN
In-Reply-To: <0E414DB3-0D83-4209-8A13-FF936AF12ABC@phulse.com>
References: <4FCC2639.1070400@colbyconsulting.com>
	<0E414DB3-0D83-4209-8A13-FF936AF12ABC@phulse.com>
Message-ID: <4FCCA41E.2070403@colbyconsulting.com>

 > If you are able to virtualize on your client end.

I don't know what this means.  In all cases (ATM) I have an application that comes in to a fixed IP 
address which is my SQL Server instance at one end of a VPN - (port 1433 but that is adjustable). 
So my app running on a client machine "talks" to the server through the VPN to my SQL Server running 
here at my office.  If I ever need to I can push the app to the web and have a hosted SQL Server and 
do the same thing, although I don't know the implications in regards to using an actual VPN should I 
do that (since I haven't done it yet).

I'm also confused about licensing though.

http://openvpn.net/index.php/access-server/pricing.html

Is it free?  Is it paid license per user?

Some of my users work for real companies but others are just volunteers using my database and I 
don't want to be in the middle of licensing.

This certainly looks like an alternative.

As for the netgear (tomato) router, I have a SOHO with internet through the local cable company on 
the same connection as my home systems, and they provide a "unified" cable modem / router with 
wireless.

I could of course go get a business cable connection but I would guess that would open a can o' worms.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 6/3/2012 11:37 PM, Hans-Christian Andersen wrote:
>
>
> John,
>
> Is something like a regular VPN out of question? I'm running an OpenVPN server and it works great. Otherwise, I've got a spare Netgear router (model WNR3500L), which can have DDR-WRT firmware installed on it, which includes the ability to set up an L2TP VPN, which also works great and stable.
>
> If you are able to virtualize on your client end, I think I could cook up a Virtual Box image, which is a barebones OpenVPN server (been planning to do this anyhow), but it would of course require you open up a port on their firewall and do some configuration. And it would require that you assume some amount of responsibility for it.
>
> Nothing is cheaper than free though!
>
> Hans
>
>
>
> On 2012-06-03, at 8:06 PM, jwcolby wrote:
>
>> I have used Hamachi since forever.  Recently they limited the number of users on any given (free) network to 5, which is pretty much useless.
>>
>> So I am on the hunt.
>>
>> My situation is as follows.  I have several different SQL Server databases, all running on a server here at my office.  These are low traffic DBs but they are for entirely different clients.  Using Hamachi I built a VPN for each client, different LAN name, different password, only the people I allowed could join the networks.  The Hamachi software allowed me to set up "types" of networks including mesh (everything could see everything), and hub and spoke where everything could see the hub but the spokes could not see each other.  That is really what I need.  In my case the spokes are individual's computers in "virtual companies" and nobody wants other people seeing / accessing their computers.
>>
>> What I am hoping to accomplish is to get some Linux widget being my VPN "server", allowing me to do the same kind of thing.  As I said I have always used Hamachi and it was slick and worked (mostly) but I cannot afford to buy the new Hamachi licenses, these are non-profits and I do not charge them for what I am doing.
>>
>> So does anyone know of an "equivalent" to what Hamachi does?  I am even willing to go buy an (under $200) "router" box to do this, however whatever it is needs to be easy to set up.  There is the potential to have dozens of users that I have to manage access for and I really don't want to get bogged down in that job.
>>
>> What would be ideal would be a VM on Hyper-V running Linux running MySQL and an easy to manage firewall app for setting this stuff up.
>>
>> What I have figured out how to do is a VM on Hyper-V running Windows 2003 X32 running SQL Server and Hamachi, which was working just fine until a couple of months ago when LogMeIn decided to play nasty.  Sigh.
>>
>> --
>> John W. Colby
>> Colby Consulting
>>
>> Reality is what refuses to go away
>> when you do not believe in it
>>
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>
>


From darren at activebilling.com.au  Mon Jun  4 09:46:17 2012
From: darren at activebilling.com.au (Darren)
Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2012 00:46:17 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] OLEDB connection string - Help please
In-Reply-To: <E57A0E30222E4C30BCF5246CF68D0CE8@MINSTER>
References: <02f701cd420d$9e9cb2d0$dbd61870$@activebilling.com.au>
	<E57A0E30222E4C30BCF5246CF68D0CE8@MINSTER>
Message-ID: <001401cd4260$ce2f1c60$6a8d5520$@activebilling.com.au>

Hi Andy

Howdy - things are good here - Life in paradise is always good.
It was actually Stuart who turned me onto this method a very long time ago.
I have sent a sample dB off line that allows for some SQL server
connections.
It's not actually what you need seeing as you are looking at OLEDB, but it
may trigger something.
Having said that the samples in the Demo dB are all 'DSNless'.
The connections are all in the code.

D

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andy Lacey
Sent: Monday, 4 June 2012 7:26 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OLEDB connection string - Help please

Darren, I'm intrigued by the DoCmd.TransferDatabase acLink you use. I've
never created a link this way. Does this create a link or refresh an
existing one? IOW should I already link the table before running this or
not? I'm guessing not.

Disappointingly when I run this I'm getting a message that Jet cannot find
the SQL table so I'm doing something wrong because the table's spelt right.

Doing it this way do you avoid the user pc's having to have an ODBC data
source setup? That's what I'm trying to avoid. I don't see any mention in
your connection string of a data source so I'm hoping this avoids that step
by embedding everything needed in that connection string. If only I could
get it to work!!

Can you see anything wrong with this? I've discovered that I have to use SQL
authentication not Windows because users are in different domains from the
db. The user and pw are as supplied and do work when I connect manually. To
save any risk I've replaced the server with xxxxx and the db itself with
yyyyy. As I say this gives that Jet error saying it cannot "find the object
dbo_FXEBCLIE".

---------------------
Function NewTest()
Dim strConn As String 

strConn = "ODBC;Description=NewFDB;Driver=SQL
Server;SERVER=xxxxxx;APP=Microsoft Access Data
Components;DATABASE=yyyyy;UID=FDB_GRASSE;PWD=F3d3r4l_DB;TRUSTED_CONNECTION=y
es" 

DoCmd.TransferDatabase acLink, "ODBC Database", strConn, acTable,
"dbo_FXEBCLIE", "tblFXEBCLIE", False, True 

End Function 

---------------


Andy

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darren
Sent: 04 June 2012 05:51
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OLEDB connection string - Help please


Hi Andy
Play with the "Trusted Connection" value in the connection string.
I have had this issue in the past where this annoying credential popup
appears.
I pass the UserName and the Password in the ConnString and have started to
totally ignore the "TrustedConnection" setting.

Sample linking string below - watch for line wrap:
strODBCConn = "ODBC;Description=Test Connection;DRIVER=SQL Server;SERVER=" &
strServerIPAddress & ";APP=Microsoft Data Access Components;DATABASE=" &
strDBName & ";UID=" & strUserID & ";PWD=" & strPassword ' '&
";Trusted_Connection=yes"

...and then this to perform the link:
DoCmd.TransferDatabase acLink, "ODBC Database", strODBCConn, acTable,
"SomeTableInSQLServer", "tbl_TheTableNameAsIwantItInAccess", False

Also - I'll send over a sample DB I created ages ago that show these things
in action (If I can find it).
D

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andy Lacey
Sent: Monday, 4 June 2012 8:00 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OLEDB connection string - Help please

Aaargh! This is driving me nuts. I've moved on and I won't bore you with the
steps and missteps but this is where I am:

1.The SQL Server db exists and I can connect to it and open tables and see
data:
- via Access with an ODBC link
- via SQL Server Management Studio

2.In both cases I can connect to the db using Windows authentication and can
open tables without being asked for any further credentials.

3.I have now got an OLEDB connection string into Access.

4.I used the .UDL method to create a connection string and put that into the
VBA code to set the connection string as "Provider=SQLOLEDB;Integrated
Security=SSPI;Persist Security Info=False;Initial Catalog=TALEG_CI;Data
Source=FRxxxxxxx" where TALEG_CI is the db and FRxxxxxxx the server.

5.The Test Connection works fine on this connection.


BUT
---
6.When I look at the properties of the table in Access design mode it shows
the connection string as 3 above but with "ODBC;" added to the start of it
which is not in the string in my code (it really, really isn't). Is this
normal? Where's it coming from? Why is Access doing this? Because I suspect
this is why point 7 occurs (although I'm happy to be told otherwise).

7.When I attempt to open any of the tables up pops  a "Select Data Source"
dialog inviting me to select an ODBC source!!!!! 



I seem to be doing everything that everyone's suggested but I cannot get
this to work and am now under pressure.

Hope someone can help me crack this.

Andy













-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: 03 June 2012 18:17
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OLEDB connection string - Help please


Hi Andy:

First you can not run OLE until you have appropriate ADO drivers. They
usually look like MSADOxx.DLL and all the components will be found in a
directory like: 
C:\Program Files\Common Files\System\ado. If you find the ancient help file,
ADODC98.CHM you know you are getting warm.
...or... the ADO.Net drivers are usually built into the .Net libraries. I am
not as familiar with this as the process is usually totally automated within
VS and I am hardly a .Net guru like some of the people on this list are. 

It should be able to be run from either any version of Access or .Net. I do
not know how to test such an connection without code other than testing the
connection using the ODBC Data Source Administrator...which is site
dependant.

Have you been able to establish a connection through the ODSA? 

Once that is done, it should be really easy to do the rest. If you are
trying to get a data stream connection to, for example your latest MS SQL
server 2008, you have to make sure that MSSQL is set to accept connections
and allow access to its databases and tables...it took me over an hour, one
time to find the check boxes, through the SQL Management studio. Nothing
like that? What are you trying to connect to?

Sorry that I can not be of more help. Maybe if I know exactly what you are
trying to do, with which application, which what data server, on which OS,
in what type of environment, that might help.

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andy Lacey
Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2012 4:01 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OLEDB connection string - Help please

Is there any way of applying an OLEDB connection except through code?

Andy

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: 01 June 2012 17:40
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OLEDB connection string - Help please


Hi Andy:

Your ODBC file component, that you created and connected via your ODBC data
source administrator, should have a UDL extension. To expose the actual
connection string, that can be used, with the subsequent OLEDB connection,
either read the file with Notepad or change the extension to TXT.

Jim 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andrew Lacey
Sent: Friday, June 01, 2012 8:06 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OLEDB connection string - Help please

Oh it's there alright. I'm working with it fine using ODBC. Just want to
switch to OLEDB.

Andy


On 01 June 2012 at 15:49 Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:

> Hi Andy:
>
> Have you gone through all the basics? Sometimes the connection strings 
> are not wrong and it could just be that the connection is not working.
>
> Have you tried to "ping" or "net" the connector via IP address and 
> name,
at
> the command prompt?
>
> ping 24.123.456.5 or ping mydatabase.com ...and...
> net view and net use t: \\MyServer\MyShare ...and...
> net use s: \\MyServer\MyShare\ MyPassword /user:MyUsername 
> /persistent:no ...or...
> net use s: \\192.168.199.210\MyShare\ MyPassword /user:MyUsername 
> /persistent:no
>
> To remove test: net use s: /delete
>
> Once you are sure you can see and connect on a basic level then you 
> will feel more confident that you know you DB BE is there.
>
> HTH
> Jim
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andrew 
> Lacey
> Sent: Friday, June 01, 2012 5:32 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OLEDB connection string - Help please
>
> Heeeeellllllpppp please
>
>
> On 01 June 2012 at 08:17 Andrew Lacey <andy at minstersystems.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > Sorry, the error I'm getting is actually "Could not find installable
> ISAM".
> >
> > Andy
> >
> >
> > On 01 June 2012 at 08:06 Andrew Lacey <andy at minstersystems.co.uk> wrote:
> >
> > > Morning all
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I know I'm late to this but I'm trying to setup an OLEDB 
> > > connection
> string
> > > to
> > > SQL Server. I've found info on the web for this but I'm not having 
> > > any
> joy.
> > > This
> > > is a code snippet of what I have.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > strConnect = "Provider=SQLOLEDB;Data Source=FRGRAAPP02;Initial 
> > > Catalog=TALEG_CI;IntegratedSecurity=SSPI;"
> > >
> > > tdf.Connect = strConnect
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > where tdf is defined as DAO.Tabledef and is sitting on a table
> definition of
> > > a
> > > table currently linked to an MDB. The code fails, however, with 
> > > "Error Attaching tablename". Can anyone see what I'm doing wrong?
> > > The Data Source is
the
> > > server
> > > name and TALEG_CI is the SQL Database which has no security on it.
We're
> > > wanting
> > > to use Windows authentication.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Help please. I really need this.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Cheers
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Andy
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From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Mon Jun  4 11:02:43 2012
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2012 17:02:43 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] OLEDB connection string - Help please
In-Reply-To: <4FCC903F.16285.1B475BA5@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <F6CB27BD4EF44614870672E93868E170@MINSTER>

Stuart, I could kiss you (it's ok I won't). That's it. Hallelujah.

So, I've still failed to get OLEDB to work but I think I have an ODBC
connection which does not require an ODBC Data Source defining on the pc. Is
that right? One thing, if I open the table in design view and look at the
connection string it has a WSID parameter with my pc's name in it. Is that
going to bite me when this is distributed?

Andy 




-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
Sent: 04 June 2012 11:39
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OLEDB connection string - Help please


I use the Do cmd.TransferDatabase in a lot of applications.

Try

DoCmd.TransferDatabase acLink, "ODBC Database", strConn, acTable,
"FXEBCLIE", "tblFXEBCLIE", False, True 

without the dbo_

That one has bitten me a few times - Access renames the fully qualified
dbo.TABLENAME to 
dbo_TABLENAME when you create a link directly using the linked table
manager.  This then 
causes problems when you automate the process.  Now I always rename
dbo_TABLENAME 
to just TABLENAME in the FE  after linking manually.


-- 
Stuart



On 4 Jun 2012 at 10:25, Andy Lacey wrote:

> Darren, I'm intrigued by the DoCmd.TransferDatabase acLink you use. I've
> never created a link this way. Does this create a link or refresh an
> existing one? IOW should I already link the table before running this or
> not? I'm guessing not.
> 
> Disappointingly when I run this I'm getting a message that Jet cannot find
> the SQL table so I'm doing something wrong because the table's spelt
right.
> 
> Doing it this way do you avoid the user pc's having to have an ODBC data
> source setup? That's what I'm trying to avoid. I don't see any mention in
> your connection string of a data source so I'm hoping this avoids that
step
> by embedding everything needed in that connection string. If only I could
> get it to work!!
> 
> Can you see anything wrong with this? I've discovered that I have to use
SQL
> authentication not Windows because users are in different domains from the
> db. The user and pw are as supplied and do work when I connect manually.
To
> save any risk I've replaced the server with xxxxx and the db itself with
> yyyyy. As I say this gives that Jet error saying it cannot "find the
object
> dbo_FXEBCLIE".
> 
> ---------------------
> Function NewTest() 
> Dim strConn As String 
> 
> strConn = "ODBC;Description=NewFDB;Driver=SQL
> Server;SERVER=xxxxxx;APP=Microsoft Access Data
>
Components;DATABASE=yyyyy;UID=FDB_GRASSE;PWD=F3d3r4l_DB;TRUSTED_CONNECTION=y
> es" 
> 
> DoCmd.TransferDatabase acLink, "ODBC Database", strConn, acTable,
> "dbo_FXEBCLIE", "tblFXEBCLIE", False, True 
> 
> End Function 
> 
> ---------------
> 
> 
> Andy
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darren
> Sent: 04 June 2012 05:51
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OLEDB connection string - Help please
> 
> 
> Hi Andy
> Play with the "Trusted Connection" value in the connection string.
> I have had this issue in the past where this annoying credential popup
> appears.
> I pass the UserName and the Password in the ConnString and have started to
> totally ignore the "TrustedConnection" setting.
> 
> Sample linking string below - watch for line wrap:
> strODBCConn = "ODBC;Description=Test Connection;DRIVER=SQL Server;SERVER="
&
> strServerIPAddress & ";APP=Microsoft Data Access Components;DATABASE=" &
> strDBName & ";UID=" & strUserID & ";PWD=" & strPassword ' '&
> ";Trusted_Connection=yes"
> 
> ...and then this to perform the link:
> DoCmd.TransferDatabase acLink, "ODBC Database", strODBCConn, acTable,
> "SomeTableInSQLServer", "tbl_TheTableNameAsIwantItInAccess", False
> 
> Also - I'll send over a sample DB I created ages ago that show these
things
> in action (If I can find it).
> D
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andy Lacey
> Sent: Monday, 4 June 2012 8:00 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OLEDB connection string - Help please
> 
> Aaargh! This is driving me nuts. I've moved on and I won't bore you with
the
> steps and missteps but this is where I am:
> 
> 1.The SQL Server db exists and I can connect to it and open tables and see
> data:
> - via Access with an ODBC link
> - via SQL Server Management Studio
> 
> 2.In both cases I can connect to the db using Windows authentication and
can
> open tables without being asked for any further credentials.
> 
> 3.I have now got an OLEDB connection string into Access.
> 
> 4.I used the .UDL method to create a connection string and put that into
the
> VBA code to set the connection string as "Provider=SQLOLEDB;Integrated
> Security=SSPI;Persist Security Info=False;Initial Catalog=TALEG_CI;Data
> Source=FRxxxxxxx" where TALEG_CI is the db and FRxxxxxxx the server.
> 
> 5.The Test Connection works fine on this connection.
> 
> 
> BUT
> ---
> 6.When I look at the properties of the table in Access design mode it
shows
> the connection string as 3 above but with "ODBC;" added to the start of it
> which is not in the string in my code (it really, really isn't). Is this
> normal? Where's it coming from? Why is Access doing this? Because I
suspect
> this is why point 7 occurs (although I'm happy to be told otherwise).
> 
> 7.When I attempt to open any of the tables up pops  a "Select Data Source"
> dialog inviting me to select an ODBC source!!!!! 
> 
> 
> 
> I seem to be doing everything that everyone's suggested but I cannot get
> this to work and am now under pressure.
> 
> Hope someone can help me crack this.
> 
> Andy
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
> Sent: 03 June 2012 18:17
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OLEDB connection string - Help please
> 
> 
> Hi Andy:
> 
> First you can not run OLE until you have appropriate ADO drivers. They
> usually look like MSADOxx.DLL and all the components will be found in a
> directory like: 
> C:\Program Files\Common Files\System\ado. If you find the ancient help
file,
> ADODC98.CHM you know you are getting warm.
> ...or... the ADO.Net drivers are usually built into the .Net libraries. I
am
> not as familiar with this as the process is usually totally automated
within
> VS and I am hardly a .Net guru like some of the people on this list are. 
> 
> It should be able to be run from either any version of Access or .Net. I
do
> not know how to test such an connection without code other than testing
the
> connection using the ODBC Data Source Administrator...which is site
> dependant.
> 
> Have you been able to establish a connection through the ODSA? 
> 
> Once that is done, it should be really easy to do the rest. If you are
> trying to get a data stream connection to, for example your latest MS SQL
> server 2008, you have to make sure that MSSQL is set to accept connections
> and allow access to its databases and tables...it took me over an hour,
one
> time to find the check boxes, through the SQL Management studio. Nothing
> like that? What are you trying to connect to?
> 
> Sorry that I can not be of more help. Maybe if I know exactly what you are
> trying to do, with which application, which what data server, on which OS,
> in what type of environment, that might help.
> 
> Jim
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andy Lacey
> Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2012 4:01 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OLEDB connection string - Help please
> 
> Is there any way of applying an OLEDB connection except through code?
> 
> Andy
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
> Sent: 01 June 2012 17:40
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OLEDB connection string - Help please
> 
> 
> Hi Andy:
> 
> Your ODBC file component, that you created and connected via your ODBC
data
> source administrator, should have a UDL extension. To expose the actual
> connection string, that can be used, with the subsequent OLEDB connection,
> either read the file with Notepad or change the extension to TXT.
> 
> Jim 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andrew Lacey
> Sent: Friday, June 01, 2012 8:06 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OLEDB connection string - Help please
> 
> Oh it's there alright. I'm working with it fine using ODBC. Just want to
> switch to OLEDB.
> 
> Andy
> 
> 
> On 01 June 2012 at 15:49 Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:
> 
> > Hi Andy:
> >
> > Have you gone through all the basics? Sometimes the connection strings 
> > are not wrong and it could just be that the connection is not working.
> >
> > Have you tried to "ping" or "net" the connector via IP address and 
> > name,
> at
> > the command prompt?
> >
> > ping 24.123.456.5 or ping mydatabase.com ...and...
> > net view and net use t: \\MyServer\MyShare ...and...
> > net use s: \\MyServer\MyShare\ MyPassword /user:MyUsername 
> > /persistent:no ...or...
> > net use s: \\192.168.199.210\MyShare\ MyPassword /user:MyUsername 
> > /persistent:no
> >
> > To remove test: net use s: /delete
> >
> > Once you are sure you can see and connect on a basic level then you 
> > will feel more confident that you know you DB BE is there.
> >
> > HTH
> > Jim
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andrew 
> > Lacey
> > Sent: Friday, June 01, 2012 5:32 AM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] OLEDB connection string - Help please
> >
> > Heeeeellllllpppp please
> >
> >
> > On 01 June 2012 at 08:17 Andrew Lacey <andy at minstersystems.co.uk> wrote:
> >
> > > Sorry, the error I'm getting is actually "Could not find installable
> > ISAM".
> > >
> > > Andy
> > >
> > >
> > > On 01 June 2012 at 08:06 Andrew Lacey <andy at minstersystems.co.uk>
wrote:
> > >
> > > > Morning all
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I know I'm late to this but I'm trying to setup an OLEDB 
> > > > connection
> > string
> > > > to
> > > > SQL Server. I've found info on the web for this but I'm not having 
> > > > any
> > joy.
> > > > This
> > > > is a code snippet of what I have.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > strConnect = "Provider=SQLOLEDB;Data Source=FRGRAAPP02;Initial 
> > > > Catalog=TALEG_CI;IntegratedSecurity=SSPI;"
> > > >
> > > > tdf.Connect = strConnect
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > where tdf is defined as DAO.Tabledef and is sitting on a table
> > definition of
> > > > a
> > > > table currently linked to an MDB. The code fails, however, with 
> > > > "Error Attaching tablename". Can anyone see what I'm doing wrong? 
> > > > The Data Source is
> the
> > > > server
> > > > name and TALEG_CI is the SQL Database which has no security on it.
> We're
> > > > wanting
> > > > to use Windows authentication.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Help please. I really need this.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Cheers
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Andy
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Mon Jun  4 15:15:08 2012
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2012 06:15:08 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] OLEDB connection string - Help please
In-Reply-To: <F6CB27BD4EF44614870672E93868E170@MINSTER>
References: <4FCC903F.16285.1B475BA5@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>,
	<F6CB27BD4EF44614870672E93868E170@MINSTER>
Message-ID: <4FCD174C.10408.1D56E92F@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

You are correct, you won't need an ODBC data source definition on each pc.

Don't worry about the WorkStation ID, it is not needed.  Just don't put it in the connection 
when  linking through code.

Just for illustration, here's some code which lete you switch Back Ends easily between a local 
Access BE and  networked Access and SQL Server BEs:   It relies on all linked tables having 
a standard prefix  of "tbl"


Const strBEName = "NECDecision_BE.mdb"
Const strServerBEDir = "\\DotSQL\DataApps"
Const strSQLConnect = "ODBC;DRIVER=SQL 
Server;SERVER=DOTSQL;DATABASE=DoTPolicy;Trusted_Connection=Yes"
  
Function ConnectSQL() As Long
Dim tdf As TableDef
For Each tdf In CurrentDb.TableDefs
    If Left$(tdf.Name, 3) = "tbl" Then
         renewlink tdf.Name, strSQLConnect, False
    End If
Next
ConnectSQL = True
End Function

Function ConnectBELocal() As Boolean
Dim tdf As TableDef
If Dir$(CurrentProject.Path & "\" & strBENAme") < " " Then
     MsgBox "Data file " & strBEName & " missing! It must be in the same directory as this 
application file.", vbCritical, "ConnectBELocal Failed!"
     ConnectBELocal = False
     Exit Function
 End If
For Each tdf In CurrentDb.TableDefs
    If Left$(tdf.Name, 3) = "tbl" Then
         renewlink tdf.Name, CurrentProject.Path & "\" & strBEName, True
    End If
Next
ConnectBELocal = True
End Function

Function ConnectServerBE() As Long
Dim tdf As TableDef
If Dir$(strServerBEDir & "\" & strBEName) < " " Then
     MsgBox "Data file " & strBEName & " missing! It must be in the " & strServerBEDir & ".", 
vbCritical, "ConnectBELocal Failed!"
     ConnectServerBE = False
     Exit Function
 End If
For Each tdf In CurrentDb.TableDefs
    If Left$(tdf.Name, 3) = "tbl" Then
         renewlink tdf.Name, strServerBEDir & "\" & strBEName, True
    End If
Next
ConnectServerBE = True
End Function

Function renewlink(tablename As String, datafile As String, AccessDb As Boolean) As Long
On Error Resume Next
DoCmd.DeleteObject acTable, tablename
On Error GoTo 0
Select Case AccessDb
Case True
DoCmd.TransferDatabase acLink, "Microsoft Access", datafile, acTable, tablename, 
tablename, False
Case False
DoCmd.TransferDatabase acLink, "ODBC Database", datafile, acTable, tablename, 
tablename, False
End Select
End Function
 

-- 
Stuart


On 4 Jun 2012 at 17:02, Andy Lacey wrote:

> Stuart, I could kiss you (it's ok I won't). That's it. Hallelujah.
> 
> So, I've still failed to get OLEDB to work but I think I have an ODBC
> connection which does not require an ODBC Data Source defining on the pc. Is
> that right? One thing, if I open the table in design view and look at the
> connection string it has a WSID parameter with my pc's name in it. Is that
> going to bite me when this is distributed?
> 
> Andy 
> 
> 

--
Stuart McLachlan

Ph:    +675 340 4392 
Mob: +675 7100 2028
Web: http://www.lexacorp.com.pg


From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Tue Jun  5 03:30:20 2012
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2012 09:30:20 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] OLEDB connection string - Help please
In-Reply-To: <4FCD174C.10408.1D56E92F@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <E65E7D5335CD4DD5A4837C09233BF571@MINSTER>

Thanks Stuart, great stuff. One last thing though. I didn't put the WSID in
the connection string in mycode but it's there when I look at the connection
property in design view. Will it just be ignored when it's distributed?

Andy

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
Sent: 04 June 2012 21:15
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OLEDB connection string - Help please


You are correct, you won't need an ODBC data source definition on each pc.

Don't worry about the WorkStation ID, it is not needed.  Just don't put it
in the connection 
when  linking through code.

Just for illustration, here's some code which lete you switch Back Ends
easily between a local 
Access BE and  networked Access and SQL Server BEs:   It relies on all
linked tables having 
a standard prefix  of "tbl"


Const strBEName = "NECDecision_BE.mdb"
Const strServerBEDir = "\\DotSQL\DataApps"
Const strSQLConnect = "ODBC;DRIVER=SQL 
Server;SERVER=DOTSQL;DATABASE=DoTPolicy;Trusted_Connection=Yes"
  
Function ConnectSQL() As Long
Dim tdf As TableDef
For Each tdf In CurrentDb.TableDefs
    If Left$(tdf.Name, 3) = "tbl" Then
         renewlink tdf.Name, strSQLConnect, False
    End If
Next
ConnectSQL = True
End Function

Function ConnectBELocal() As Boolean
Dim tdf As TableDef
If Dir$(CurrentProject.Path & "\" & strBENAme") < " " Then
     MsgBox "Data file " & strBEName & " missing! It must be in the same
directory as this 
application file.", vbCritical, "ConnectBELocal Failed!"
     ConnectBELocal = False
     Exit Function
 End If
For Each tdf In CurrentDb.TableDefs
    If Left$(tdf.Name, 3) = "tbl" Then
         renewlink tdf.Name, CurrentProject.Path & "\" & strBEName, True
    End If
Next
ConnectBELocal = True
End Function

Function ConnectServerBE() As Long
Dim tdf As TableDef
If Dir$(strServerBEDir & "\" & strBEName) < " " Then
     MsgBox "Data file " & strBEName & " missing! It must be in the " &
strServerBEDir & ".", 
vbCritical, "ConnectBELocal Failed!"
     ConnectServerBE = False
     Exit Function
 End If
For Each tdf In CurrentDb.TableDefs
    If Left$(tdf.Name, 3) = "tbl" Then
         renewlink tdf.Name, strServerBEDir & "\" & strBEName, True
    End If
Next
ConnectServerBE = True
End Function

Function renewlink(tablename As String, datafile As String, AccessDb As
Boolean) As Long
On Error Resume Next
DoCmd.DeleteObject acTable, tablename
On Error GoTo 0
Select Case AccessDb
Case True
DoCmd.TransferDatabase acLink, "Microsoft Access", datafile, acTable,
tablename, 
tablename, False
Case False
DoCmd.TransferDatabase acLink, "ODBC Database", datafile, acTable,
tablename, 
tablename, False
End Select
End Function
 

-- 
Stuart


On 4 Jun 2012 at 17:02, Andy Lacey wrote:

> Stuart, I could kiss you (it's ok I won't). That's it. Hallelujah.
> 
> So, I've still failed to get OLEDB to work but I think I have an ODBC
> connection which does not require an ODBC Data Source defining on the pc.
Is
> that right? One thing, if I open the table in design view and look at the
> connection string it has a WSID parameter with my pc's name in it. Is that
> going to bite me when this is distributed?
> 
> Andy 
> 
> 

--
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Ph:    +675 340 4392 
Mob: +675 7100 2028
Web: http://www.lexacorp.com.pg

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From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Tue Jun  5 03:34:48 2012
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2012 09:34:48 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] OLEDB connection string - Thanks
In-Reply-To: <4FCD174C.10408.1D56E92F@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <1DF13481836E424BA0840E703F9A81F2@MINSTER>

Thanks to everyone who offered their suggestions and advice. The outcome is
that I never did get SQLOLEDB working, and I don't know why. I may come back
to that and take another look. The imperative though was to have something
distributable without hassle and the ODBC connection using the
TransferDatabase method has sorted that. Many, many thanks to both Darren
and Stuart for that.

AccessD rides to the rescue again.

Cheers

Andy

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
Sent: 04 June 2012 21:15
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OLEDB connection string - Help please


You are correct, you won't need an ODBC data source definition on each pc.

Don't worry about the WorkStation ID, it is not needed.  Just don't put it
in the connection 
when  linking through code.

Just for illustration, here's some code which lete you switch Back Ends
easily between a local 
Access BE and  networked Access and SQL Server BEs:   It relies on all
linked tables having 
a standard prefix  of "tbl"


Const strBEName = "NECDecision_BE.mdb"
Const strServerBEDir = "\\DotSQL\DataApps"
Const strSQLConnect = "ODBC;DRIVER=SQL 
Server;SERVER=DOTSQL;DATABASE=DoTPolicy;Trusted_Connection=Yes"
  
Function ConnectSQL() As Long
Dim tdf As TableDef
For Each tdf In CurrentDb.TableDefs
    If Left$(tdf.Name, 3) = "tbl" Then
         renewlink tdf.Name, strSQLConnect, False
    End If
Next
ConnectSQL = True
End Function

Function ConnectBELocal() As Boolean
Dim tdf As TableDef
If Dir$(CurrentProject.Path & "\" & strBENAme") < " " Then
     MsgBox "Data file " & strBEName & " missing! It must be in the same
directory as this 
application file.", vbCritical, "ConnectBELocal Failed!"
     ConnectBELocal = False
     Exit Function
 End If
For Each tdf In CurrentDb.TableDefs
    If Left$(tdf.Name, 3) = "tbl" Then
         renewlink tdf.Name, CurrentProject.Path & "\" & strBEName, True
    End If
Next
ConnectBELocal = True
End Function

Function ConnectServerBE() As Long
Dim tdf As TableDef
If Dir$(strServerBEDir & "\" & strBEName) < " " Then
     MsgBox "Data file " & strBEName & " missing! It must be in the " &
strServerBEDir & ".", 
vbCritical, "ConnectBELocal Failed!"
     ConnectServerBE = False
     Exit Function
 End If
For Each tdf In CurrentDb.TableDefs
    If Left$(tdf.Name, 3) = "tbl" Then
         renewlink tdf.Name, strServerBEDir & "\" & strBEName, True
    End If
Next
ConnectServerBE = True
End Function

Function renewlink(tablename As String, datafile As String, AccessDb As
Boolean) As Long
On Error Resume Next
DoCmd.DeleteObject acTable, tablename
On Error GoTo 0
Select Case AccessDb
Case True
DoCmd.TransferDatabase acLink, "Microsoft Access", datafile, acTable,
tablename, 
tablename, False
Case False
DoCmd.TransferDatabase acLink, "ODBC Database", datafile, acTable,
tablename, 
tablename, False
End Select
End Function
 

-- 
Stuart


On 4 Jun 2012 at 17:02, Andy Lacey wrote:

> Stuart, I could kiss you (it's ok I won't). That's it. Hallelujah.
> 
> So, I've still failed to get OLEDB to work but I think I have an ODBC
> connection which does not require an ODBC Data Source defining on the pc.
Is
> that right? One thing, if I open the table in design view and look at the
> connection string it has a WSID parameter with my pc's name in it. Is that
> going to bite me when this is distributed?
> 
> Andy 
> 
> 

--
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Ph:    +675 340 4392 
Mob: +675 7100 2028
Web: http://www.lexacorp.com.pg

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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue Jun  5 06:01:19 2012
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2012 07:01:19 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OLEDB connection string - Thanks
In-Reply-To: <1DF13481836E424BA0840E703F9A81F2@MINSTER>
References: <1DF13481836E424BA0840E703F9A81F2@MINSTER>
Message-ID: <4FCDE6FF.6030207@colbyconsulting.com>

Andy,

I had the same outcome, the OLEODBC never worked reliably but the ODBC did.  Like yourself I gave up 
and just used ODBC.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 6/5/2012 4:34 AM, Andy Lacey wrote:
> Thanks to everyone who offered their suggestions and advice. The outcome is
> that I never did get SQLOLEDB working, and I don't know why. I may come back
> to that and take another look. The imperative though was to have something
> distributable without hassle and the ODBC connection using the
> TransferDatabase method has sorted that. Many, many thanks to both Darren
> and Stuart for that.
>
> AccessD rides to the rescue again.
>
> Cheers
>
> Andy
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
> Sent: 04 June 2012 21:15
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OLEDB connection string - Help please
>
>
> You are correct, you won't need an ODBC data source definition on each pc.
>
> Don't worry about the WorkStation ID, it is not needed.  Just don't put it
> in the connection
> when  linking through code.
>
> Just for illustration, here's some code which lete you switch Back Ends
> easily between a local
> Access BE and  networked Access and SQL Server BEs:   It relies on all
> linked tables having
> a standard prefix  of "tbl"
>
>
> Const strBEName = "NECDecision_BE.mdb"
> Const strServerBEDir = "\\DotSQL\DataApps"
> Const strSQLConnect = "ODBC;DRIVER=SQL
> Server;SERVER=DOTSQL;DATABASE=DoTPolicy;Trusted_Connection=Yes"
>
> Function ConnectSQL() As Long
> Dim tdf As TableDef
> For Each tdf In CurrentDb.TableDefs
>      If Left$(tdf.Name, 3) = "tbl" Then
>           renewlink tdf.Name, strSQLConnect, False
>      End If
> Next
> ConnectSQL = True
> End Function
>
> Function ConnectBELocal() As Boolean
> Dim tdf As TableDef
> If Dir$(CurrentProject.Path&  "\"&  strBENAme")<  " " Then
>       MsgBox "Data file "&  strBEName&  " missing! It must be in the same
> directory as this
> application file.", vbCritical, "ConnectBELocal Failed!"
>       ConnectBELocal = False
>       Exit Function
>   End If
> For Each tdf In CurrentDb.TableDefs
>      If Left$(tdf.Name, 3) = "tbl" Then
>           renewlink tdf.Name, CurrentProject.Path&  "\"&  strBEName, True
>      End If
> Next
> ConnectBELocal = True
> End Function
>
> Function ConnectServerBE() As Long
> Dim tdf As TableDef
> If Dir$(strServerBEDir&  "\"&  strBEName)<  " " Then
>       MsgBox "Data file "&  strBEName&  " missing! It must be in the "&
> strServerBEDir&  ".",
> vbCritical, "ConnectBELocal Failed!"
>       ConnectServerBE = False
>       Exit Function
>   End If
> For Each tdf In CurrentDb.TableDefs
>      If Left$(tdf.Name, 3) = "tbl" Then
>           renewlink tdf.Name, strServerBEDir&  "\"&  strBEName, True
>      End If
> Next
> ConnectServerBE = True
> End Function
>
> Function renewlink(tablename As String, datafile As String, AccessDb As
> Boolean) As Long
> On Error Resume Next
> DoCmd.DeleteObject acTable, tablename
> On Error GoTo 0
> Select Case AccessDb
> Case True
> DoCmd.TransferDatabase acLink, "Microsoft Access", datafile, acTable,
> tablename,
> tablename, False
> Case False
> DoCmd.TransferDatabase acLink, "ODBC Database", datafile, acTable,
> tablename,
> tablename, False
> End Select
> End Function
>
>


From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Tue Jun  5 06:14:52 2012
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2012 12:14:52 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] OLEDB connection string - Thanks
In-Reply-To: <4FCDE6FF.6030207@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <1D23B38FCBEA4B4D9627F97042BFC074@MINSTER>

Hi JC

Thanks for that. It'll save me some frustrating time. If you didn't get it
working what chance do I stand so I'll leave it at that.

Cheers
Andy

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: 05 June 2012 12:01
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OLEDB connection string - Thanks


Andy,

I had the same outcome, the OLEODBC never worked reliably but the ODBC did.
Like yourself I gave up 
and just used ODBC.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 6/5/2012 4:34 AM, Andy Lacey wrote:
> Thanks to everyone who offered their suggestions and advice. The outcome
is
> that I never did get SQLOLEDB working, and I don't know why. I may come
back
> to that and take another look. The imperative though was to have something
> distributable without hassle and the ODBC connection using the
> TransferDatabase method has sorted that. Many, many thanks to both Darren
> and Stuart for that.
>
> AccessD rides to the rescue again.
>
> Cheers
>
> Andy
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart
McLachlan
> Sent: 04 June 2012 21:15
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OLEDB connection string - Help please
>
>
> You are correct, you won't need an ODBC data source definition on each pc.
>
> Don't worry about the WorkStation ID, it is not needed.  Just don't put it
> in the connection
> when  linking through code.
>
> Just for illustration, here's some code which lete you switch Back Ends
> easily between a local
> Access BE and  networked Access and SQL Server BEs:   It relies on all
> linked tables having
> a standard prefix  of "tbl"
>
>
> Const strBEName = "NECDecision_BE.mdb"
> Const strServerBEDir = "\\DotSQL\DataApps"
> Const strSQLConnect = "ODBC;DRIVER=SQL
> Server;SERVER=DOTSQL;DATABASE=DoTPolicy;Trusted_Connection=Yes"
>
> Function ConnectSQL() As Long
> Dim tdf As TableDef
> For Each tdf In CurrentDb.TableDefs
>      If Left$(tdf.Name, 3) = "tbl" Then
>           renewlink tdf.Name, strSQLConnect, False
>      End If
> Next
> ConnectSQL = True
> End Function
>
> Function ConnectBELocal() As Boolean
> Dim tdf As TableDef
> If Dir$(CurrentProject.Path&  "\"&  strBENAme")<  " " Then
>       MsgBox "Data file "&  strBEName&  " missing! It must be in the same
> directory as this
> application file.", vbCritical, "ConnectBELocal Failed!"
>       ConnectBELocal = False
>       Exit Function
>   End If
> For Each tdf In CurrentDb.TableDefs
>      If Left$(tdf.Name, 3) = "tbl" Then
>           renewlink tdf.Name, CurrentProject.Path&  "\"&  strBEName, True
>      End If
> Next
> ConnectBELocal = True
> End Function
>
> Function ConnectServerBE() As Long
> Dim tdf As TableDef
> If Dir$(strServerBEDir&  "\"&  strBEName)<  " " Then
>       MsgBox "Data file "&  strBEName&  " missing! It must be in the "&
> strServerBEDir&  ".",
> vbCritical, "ConnectBELocal Failed!"
>       ConnectServerBE = False
>       Exit Function
>   End If
> For Each tdf In CurrentDb.TableDefs
>      If Left$(tdf.Name, 3) = "tbl" Then
>           renewlink tdf.Name, strServerBEDir&  "\"&  strBEName, True
>      End If
> Next
> ConnectServerBE = True
> End Function
>
> Function renewlink(tablename As String, datafile As String, AccessDb As
> Boolean) As Long
> On Error Resume Next
> DoCmd.DeleteObject acTable, tablename
> On Error GoTo 0
> Select Case AccessDb
> Case True
> DoCmd.TransferDatabase acLink, "Microsoft Access", datafile, acTable,
> tablename,
> tablename, False
> Case False
> DoCmd.TransferDatabase acLink, "ODBC Database", datafile, acTable,
> tablename,
> tablename, False
> End Select
> End Function
>
>

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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue Jun  5 06:36:22 2012
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2012 07:36:22 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: SAS / SATA standards explanation
Message-ID: <4FCDEF36.6020403@colbyconsulting.com>

This is a good read if you have always wondered...

http://www.ioisas.com/about-sas.htm

-- 
John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it


From darren at activebilling.com.au  Tue Jun  5 08:58:47 2012
From: darren at activebilling.com.au (Darren)
Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2012 23:58:47 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] OLEDB connection string - Thanks
Message-ID: <000901cd4323$565d3dc0$0317b940$@activebilling.com.au>

Andy - I forgot to mention this when we were skyping tonight.
OLEDB is to be deprecated by MSoft anyway - though you have a few years :-)

http://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/sqldataaccess/thread/e696d0ac-
f8e2-4b19-8a08-7a357d3d780f

see ya from the antipodes

D

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andy Lacey
Sent: Tuesday, 5 June 2012 9:15 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OLEDB connection string - Thanks

Hi JC

Thanks for that. It'll save me some frustrating time. If you didn't get it
working what chance do I stand so I'll leave it at that.

Cheers
Andy

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: 05 June 2012 12:01
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OLEDB connection string - Thanks


Andy,

I had the same outcome, the OLEODBC never worked reliably but the ODBC did.
Like yourself I gave up
and just used ODBC.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 6/5/2012 4:34 AM, Andy Lacey wrote:
> Thanks to everyone who offered their suggestions and advice. The 
> outcome
is
> that I never did get SQLOLEDB working, and I don't know why. I may 
> come
back
> to that and take another look. The imperative though was to have 
> something distributable without hassle and the ODBC connection using 
> the TransferDatabase method has sorted that. Many, many thanks to both 
> Darren and Stuart for that.
>
> AccessD rides to the rescue again.
>
> Cheers
>
> Andy
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart
McLachlan
> Sent: 04 June 2012 21:15
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OLEDB connection string - Help please
>
>
> You are correct, you won't need an ODBC data source definition on each pc.
>
> Don't worry about the WorkStation ID, it is not needed.  Just don't 
> put it in the connection when  linking through code.
>
> Just for illustration, here's some code which lete you switch Back 
> Ends easily between a local
> Access BE and  networked Access and SQL Server BEs:   It relies on all
> linked tables having
> a standard prefix  of "tbl"
>
>
> Const strBEName = "NECDecision_BE.mdb"
> Const strServerBEDir = "\\DotSQL\DataApps"
> Const strSQLConnect = "ODBC;DRIVER=SQL 
> Server;SERVER=DOTSQL;DATABASE=DoTPolicy;Trusted_Connection=Yes"
>
> Function ConnectSQL() As Long
> Dim tdf As TableDef
> For Each tdf In CurrentDb.TableDefs
>      If Left$(tdf.Name, 3) = "tbl" Then
>           renewlink tdf.Name, strSQLConnect, False
>      End If
> Next
> ConnectSQL = True
> End Function
>
> Function ConnectBELocal() As Boolean
> Dim tdf As TableDef
> If Dir$(CurrentProject.Path&  "\"&  strBENAme")<  " " Then
>       MsgBox "Data file "&  strBEName&  " missing! It must be in the 
> same directory as this application file.", vbCritical, "ConnectBELocal 
> Failed!"
>       ConnectBELocal = False
>       Exit Function
>   End If
> For Each tdf In CurrentDb.TableDefs
>      If Left$(tdf.Name, 3) = "tbl" Then
>           renewlink tdf.Name, CurrentProject.Path&  "\"&  strBEName, True
>      End If
> Next
> ConnectBELocal = True
> End Function
>
> Function ConnectServerBE() As Long
> Dim tdf As TableDef
> If Dir$(strServerBEDir&  "\"&  strBEName)<  " " Then
>       MsgBox "Data file "&  strBEName&  " missing! It must be in the 
> "& strServerBEDir&  ".", vbCritical, "ConnectBELocal Failed!"
>       ConnectServerBE = False
>       Exit Function
>   End If
> For Each tdf In CurrentDb.TableDefs
>      If Left$(tdf.Name, 3) = "tbl" Then
>           renewlink tdf.Name, strServerBEDir&  "\"&  strBEName, True
>      End If
> Next
> ConnectServerBE = True
> End Function
>
> Function renewlink(tablename As String, datafile As String, AccessDb 
> As
> Boolean) As Long
> On Error Resume Next
> DoCmd.DeleteObject acTable, tablename
> On Error GoTo 0
> Select Case AccessDb
> Case True
> DoCmd.TransferDatabase acLink, "Microsoft Access", datafile, acTable, 
> tablename, tablename, False Case False DoCmd.TransferDatabase acLink, 
> "ODBC Database", datafile, acTable, tablename, tablename, False End 
> Select End Function
>
>

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From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Tue Jun  5 09:21:30 2012
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2012 15:21:30 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] OLEDB connection string - Thanks
In-Reply-To: <000901cd4323$565d3dc0$0317b940$@activebilling.com.au>
Message-ID: <34F0FBFA181C44658BD49E4CBA6EC1F6@MINSTER>

Good info matey cos someone might question my use of ODBC over OLEDB. Plus
it gives me all the excuse I need not to waste my time chasing down the
OLEDB problem.

Catch you soon.

Andy

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darren
Sent: 05 June 2012 14:59
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OLEDB connection string - Thanks


Andy - I forgot to mention this when we were skyping tonight.
OLEDB is to be deprecated by MSoft anyway - though you have a few years :-)

http://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/sqldataaccess/thread/e696d0ac-
f8e2-4b19-8a08-7a357d3d780f

see ya from the antipodes

D

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andy Lacey
Sent: Tuesday, 5 June 2012 9:15 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OLEDB connection string - Thanks

Hi JC

Thanks for that. It'll save me some frustrating time. If you didn't get it
working what chance do I stand so I'll leave it at that.

Cheers
Andy

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: 05 June 2012 12:01
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OLEDB connection string - Thanks


Andy,

I had the same outcome, the OLEODBC never worked reliably but the ODBC did.
Like yourself I gave up
and just used ODBC.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 6/5/2012 4:34 AM, Andy Lacey wrote:
> Thanks to everyone who offered their suggestions and advice. The 
> outcome
is
> that I never did get SQLOLEDB working, and I don't know why. I may 
> come
back
> to that and take another look. The imperative though was to have 
> something distributable without hassle and the ODBC connection using 
> the TransferDatabase method has sorted that. Many, many thanks to both 
> Darren and Stuart for that.
>
> AccessD rides to the rescue again.
>
> Cheers
>
> Andy
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart
McLachlan
> Sent: 04 June 2012 21:15
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OLEDB connection string - Help please
>
>
> You are correct, you won't need an ODBC data source definition on each pc.
>
> Don't worry about the WorkStation ID, it is not needed.  Just don't 
> put it in the connection when  linking through code.
>
> Just for illustration, here's some code which lete you switch Back 
> Ends easily between a local
> Access BE and  networked Access and SQL Server BEs:   It relies on all
> linked tables having
> a standard prefix  of "tbl"
>
>
> Const strBEName = "NECDecision_BE.mdb"
> Const strServerBEDir = "\\DotSQL\DataApps"
> Const strSQLConnect = "ODBC;DRIVER=SQL 
> Server;SERVER=DOTSQL;DATABASE=DoTPolicy;Trusted_Connection=Yes"
>
> Function ConnectSQL() As Long
> Dim tdf As TableDef
> For Each tdf In CurrentDb.TableDefs
>      If Left$(tdf.Name, 3) = "tbl" Then
>           renewlink tdf.Name, strSQLConnect, False
>      End If
> Next
> ConnectSQL = True
> End Function
>
> Function ConnectBELocal() As Boolean
> Dim tdf As TableDef
> If Dir$(CurrentProject.Path&  "\"&  strBENAme")<  " " Then
>       MsgBox "Data file "&  strBEName&  " missing! It must be in the 
> same directory as this application file.", vbCritical, "ConnectBELocal 
> Failed!"
>       ConnectBELocal = False
>       Exit Function
>   End If
> For Each tdf In CurrentDb.TableDefs
>      If Left$(tdf.Name, 3) = "tbl" Then
>           renewlink tdf.Name, CurrentProject.Path&  "\"&  strBEName, True
>      End If
> Next
> ConnectBELocal = True
> End Function
>
> Function ConnectServerBE() As Long
> Dim tdf As TableDef
> If Dir$(strServerBEDir&  "\"&  strBEName)<  " " Then
>       MsgBox "Data file "&  strBEName&  " missing! It must be in the 
> "& strServerBEDir&  ".", vbCritical, "ConnectBELocal Failed!"
>       ConnectServerBE = False
>       Exit Function
>   End If
> For Each tdf In CurrentDb.TableDefs
>      If Left$(tdf.Name, 3) = "tbl" Then
>           renewlink tdf.Name, strServerBEDir&  "\"&  strBEName, True
>      End If
> Next
> ConnectServerBE = True
> End Function
>
> Function renewlink(tablename As String, datafile As String, AccessDb 
> As
> Boolean) As Long
> On Error Resume Next
> DoCmd.DeleteObject acTable, tablename
> On Error GoTo 0
> Select Case AccessDb
> Case True
> DoCmd.TransferDatabase acLink, "Microsoft Access", datafile, acTable, 
> tablename, tablename, False Case False DoCmd.TransferDatabase acLink, 
> "ODBC Database", datafile, acTable, tablename, tablename, False End 
> Select End Function
>
>

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From marksimms at verizon.net  Tue Jun  5 09:23:10 2012
From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms)
Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2012 10:23:10 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OLEDB connection string - Thanks
In-Reply-To: <000901cd4323$565d3dc0$0317b940$@activebilling.com.au>
References: <000901cd4323$565d3dc0$0317b940$@activebilling.com.au>
Message-ID: <00ae01cd4326$bcc97530$365c5f90$@net>

This just becomes more and more confusing.
I just implemented an Excel/Access application using OLEDB connections.
Seems to work fine. What would happen if I moved these to ODBC connections ?




From michael at mattysconsulting.com  Tue Jun  5 09:37:49 2012
From: michael at mattysconsulting.com (Michael Mattys)
Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2012 10:37:49 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OLEDB connection string - Thanks
In-Reply-To: <00ae01cd4326$bcc97530$365c5f90$@net>
References: <000901cd4323$565d3dc0$0317b940$@activebilling.com.au>
	<00ae01cd4326$bcc97530$365c5f90$@net>
Message-ID: <00eb01cd4328$c8fa92b0$5aefb810$@mattysconsulting.com>

Mark,

These are just in code, right? 
I mean, you don't actually see OLEDB connections in the Database Window
under Tables?

Michael R Mattys
Mattys Consulting, LLC
www.mattysconsulting.com


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Simms
Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2012 10:23 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OLEDB connection string - Thanks

This just becomes more and more confusing.
I just implemented an Excel/Access application using OLEDB connections.
Seems to work fine. What would happen if I moved these to ODBC connections ?



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From marksimms at verizon.net  Tue Jun  5 10:51:43 2012
From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms)
Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2012 11:51:43 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OLEDB connection string - Thanks
In-Reply-To: <00eb01cd4328$c8fa92b0$5aefb810$@mattysconsulting.com>
References: <000901cd4323$565d3dc0$0317b940$@activebilling.com.au>
	<00ae01cd4326$bcc97530$365c5f90$@net>
	<00eb01cd4328$c8fa92b0$5aefb810$@mattysconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <00f401cd4333$1b2bf0b0$5183d210$@net>

No, they are static connection objects within Excel.....referencing queries
or tables in Access.

>
> These are just in code, right?
> I mean, you don't actually see OLEDB connections in the Database Window
> under Tables?
>



From BradM at blackforestltd.com  Tue Jun  5 15:26:52 2012
From: BradM at blackforestltd.com (Brad Marks)
Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2012 15:26:52 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Access Report - Colored Page Heading - Printing Problem
References: <4FCC903F.16285.1B475BA5@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>,
	<F6CB27BD4EF44614870672E93868E170@MINSTER>
	<4FCD174C.10408.1D56E92F@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C5015BBABF@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>

All,

This is really a strange one.

We have an Access 2007 application that prints a one-page document.  For
internal purposes, the users wanted the header at the top of page to be
printed with a blue background.  This has worked fine for the past two
months.

Now, for some strange reason, the printer is losing the setting to print
in color and reverts back to printing in black.

Temporarily, the users are opening up the printer properties and
selecting "color" each time they print.

I am really puzzled why this problem started to happen after two months
of color printing.

Is there some way to programmatically (from Access) change the printer
setting to "color".  This would eliminate the need for our users to do
so manually.

Thanks,
Brad




From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue Jun  5 20:38:12 2012
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2012 21:38:12 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Displaying SQL Server Time(7) in Access
Message-ID: <4FCEB484.4080806@colbyconsulting.com>

I am stumped on how to display a SQL Server time value in an Access form while leaving it editable. 
  If I look directly in the table in SQL Server a time is displayed like this: 08:45:00.0000000. 
Likewise it is displayed in the Access form in that manner which of course is a major annoyance.

Access input masks work correctly for stuffing the times in but "formats" such as Short time etc 
have no apparent effect at all.  For reporting I can simply do a left(SomeTime,5) to get HH:MM 
format but of course I can't do that in the form's text field.

So how the heck do I do this format in the form to display just the hour and minute?

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when you do not believe in it


From charlotte.foust at gmail.com  Tue Jun  5 21:11:14 2012
From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2012 19:11:14 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Displaying SQL Server Time(7) in Access
In-Reply-To: <4FCEB484.4080806@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4FCEB484.4080806@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <CAH+Met94FRXmLvSGqEnDTwGwbAq-p3i=YFrai9L291Wmvo5QJw@mail.gmail.com>

I don't think you can and leave it editable.  SQL Server date/time is a
higher precision that Access's version.  You could fake it by displaying
the time in a label and putting a transparent, unbound textbox on top of
the label.  Then use code to parse out the value and modify the SQL Server
field.


Charlotte Foust

On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 6:38 PM, jwcolby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:

> I am stumped on how to display a SQL Server time value in an Access form
> while leaving it editable.  If I look directly in the table in SQL Server a
> time is displayed like this: 08:45:00.0000000. Likewise it is displayed in
> the Access form in that manner which of course is a major annoyance.
>
> Access input masks work correctly for stuffing the times in but "formats"
> such as Short time etc have no apparent effect at all.  For reporting I can
> simply do a left(SomeTime,5) to get HH:MM format but of course I can't do
> that in the form's text field.
>
> So how the heck do I do this format in the form to display just the hour
> and minute?
>
> --
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
>
> Reality is what refuses to go away
> when you do not believe in it
>
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue Jun  5 21:14:06 2012
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2012 22:14:06 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] [dba-SQLServer] Displaying SQL Server Time(7) in
	Access
In-Reply-To: <4FCEB484.4080806@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4FCEB484.4080806@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <4FCEBCEE.3050204@colbyconsulting.com>

Ahh I figured it out.  I had this working in the past.  The key seems to be not using the time() 
format but rather using the DateTime format in SQL Server.

Sorry for the ring.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 6/5/2012 9:38 PM, jwcolby wrote:
> I am stumped on how to display a SQL Server time value in an Access form while leaving it editable.
> If I look directly in the table in SQL Server a time is displayed like this: 08:45:00.0000000.
> Likewise it is displayed in the Access form in that manner which of course is a major annoyance.
>
> Access input masks work correctly for stuffing the times in but "formats" such as Short time etc
> have no apparent effect at all. For reporting I can simply do a left(SomeTime,5) to get HH:MM format
> but of course I can't do that in the form's text field.
>
> So how the heck do I do this format in the form to display just the hour and minute?
>


From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Tue Jun  5 22:15:24 2012
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2012 13:15:24 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] [dba-SQLServer] Displaying SQL Server Time(7) in
	Access
In-Reply-To: <4FCEBCEE.3050204@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4FCEB484.4080806@colbyconsulting.com>,
	<4FCEBCEE.3050204@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <4FCECB4C.21719.23FE0BCF@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

I seem to recall having the same discussion about a year ago where we identified the 
problem with the new SQL Server Date and Time types and ODBC returning them as strings 
:-)

-- 
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On 5 Jun 2012 at 22:14, jwcolby wrote:

> Ahh I figured it out.  I had this working in the past.  The key seems to be not using the time() 
> format but rather using the DateTime format in SQL Server.
> 
> Sorry for the ring.
> 
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
> 
> Reality is what refuses to go away
> when you do not believe in it
> 
> On 6/5/2012 9:38 PM, jwcolby wrote:
> > I am stumped on how to display a SQL Server time value in an Access form while leaving it editable.
> > If I look directly in the table in SQL Server a time is displayed like this: 08:45:00.0000000.
> > Likewise it is displayed in the Access form in that manner which of course is a major annoyance.
> >
> > Access input masks work correctly for stuffing the times in but "formats" such as Short time etc
> > have no apparent effect at all. For reporting I can simply do a left(SomeTime,5) to get HH:MM format
> > but of course I can't do that in the form's text field.
> >
> > So how the heck do I do this format in the form to display just the hour and minute?
> >
> 
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From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Wed Jun  6 11:31:13 2012
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2012 17:31:13 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Multi-select listbox - Solved
In-Reply-To: <EC93A3FA369B47C2BF26176F52B771B6@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <ADED2CC225A947AC8AE56B2F8F35D1DE@MINSTER>

I asked a question recently about searching a multi-select list  control to
position yourself at a point in the list. Here's the code I used in the
end. It uses the list control's own .recordset which I didn't know it had
until now. It's a little flakey in that if you run it immediately on opening
the form sometimes it finds the record and sometimes not, but it always
works if the list control has been selected by the user first and then this
is run (rather than run immediately on load of form for example). Really
odd. If anyone can come up with a 100% solution that'd be great.


For CurrentRow = 0 To Me!lstOptions.ListCount - 1
      If Left(Me!lstOptions.Column(1, CurrentRow), intL) = strSearch Then
          Me!lstOptions.Selected(CurrentRow) = True
          With Me!lstOptions.Recordset
               .FindFirst "KeyField = '" &
Me!lstOptions.Column(0,CurrentRow) & "'"
           End With
           Exit For
      End If
  Next CurrentRow


This presumes:
- strSearch is search string
- column(0) of list is unique id
- column(1) of list is descriptor you're searching on
- replace KeyField with field name of your unique id


Hope it's useful to someone.

Regards

Andy

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: 29 May 2012 16:18
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Multi-select listbox - Solved


...And the answer is.......? ;-)

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andrew Lacey
Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 8:05 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Multi-select listbox - Solved

It's ok I've solved it myself

Andy


On 29 May 2012 at 14:46 Andrew Lacey <andy at minstersystems.co.uk> wrote:

> Hey all, here's a rarity, an actual Access question.
>
>
>
> Given a multi-select listbox what I want to achieve is this:
>
> - user types a search value in a textbox
>
> - routine searches for the first occurrence of search value in the list
>
> - that first occurrence is selected
>
>
>
> I have all of that working BUT if the first occurrence is above or below
> what's visible on-screen the entry is selected but can't be seen without
> scrolling. What I want to do is reposition the list so the user can see
the
> entry that has been found and selected. I reckon if it wasn't
multi-select
> then setting the listbox's Value property would probably work but that's
no
> use on a multi-select. Anyone know how to achieve this?
>
>
>
> Cheers
>
>
>
> Andy
>
>
>
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From jerbach at gmail.com  Wed Jun  6 11:43:51 2012
From: jerbach at gmail.com (Janet Erbach)
Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2012 11:43:51 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Multi-select listbox - Solved
In-Reply-To: <ADED2CC225A947AC8AE56B2F8F35D1DE@MINSTER>
References: <EC93A3FA369B47C2BF26176F52B771B6@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<ADED2CC225A947AC8AE56B2F8F35D1DE@MINSTER>
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Andy -

Thanks for posting this.  I'm going to try using it myself.

Janet Erbach

On Wed, Jun 6, 2012 at 11:31 AM, Andy Lacey <andy at minstersystems.co.uk>wrote:

> I asked a question recently about searching a multi-select list  control to
> position yourself at a point in the list. Here's the code I used in the
> end. It uses the list control's own .recordset which I didn't know it had
> until now. It's a little flakey in that if you run it immediately on
> opening
> the form sometimes it finds the record and sometimes not, but it always
> works if the list control has been selected by the user first and then this
> is run (rather than run immediately on load of form for example). Really
> odd. If anyone can come up with a 100% solution that'd be great.
>
>
> For CurrentRow = 0 To Me!lstOptions.ListCount - 1
>      If Left(Me!lstOptions.Column(1, CurrentRow), intL) = strSearch Then
>          Me!lstOptions.Selected(CurrentRow) = True
>          With Me!lstOptions.Recordset
>               .FindFirst "KeyField = '" &
> Me!lstOptions.Column(0,CurrentRow) & "'"
>           End With
>           Exit For
>      End If
>  Next CurrentRow
>
>
> This presumes:
> - strSearch is search string
> - column(0) of list is unique id
> - column(1) of list is descriptor you're searching on
> - replace KeyField with field name of your unique id
>
>
> Hope it's useful to someone.
>
> Regards
>
> Andy
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
> Sent: 29 May 2012 16:18
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Multi-select listbox - Solved
>
>
> ...And the answer is.......? ;-)
>
> Jim
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andrew Lacey
> Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 8:05 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Multi-select listbox - Solved
>
> It's ok I've solved it myself
>
> Andy
>
>
> On 29 May 2012 at 14:46 Andrew Lacey <andy at minstersystems.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > Hey all, here's a rarity, an actual Access question.
> >
> >
> >
> > Given a multi-select listbox what I want to achieve is this:
> >
> > - user types a search value in a textbox
> >
> > - routine searches for the first occurrence of search value in the list
> >
> > - that first occurrence is selected
> >
> >
> >
> > I have all of that working BUT if the first occurrence is above or below
> > what's visible on-screen the entry is selected but can't be seen without
> > scrolling. What I want to do is reposition the list so the user can see
> the
> > entry that has been found and selected. I reckon if it wasn't
> multi-select
> > then setting the listbox's Value property would probably work but that's
> no
> > use on a multi-select. Anyone know how to achieve this?
> >
> >
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> >
> >
> > Andy
> >
> >
> >
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed Jun  6 12:08:42 2012
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2012 13:08:42 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] SQL Server Encrypted field
Message-ID: <4FCF8E9A.8060201@colbyconsulting.com>

I need to store sensitive data in specific fields of specific tables.  I find things like:

http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms179331.aspx

Which discusses creating a certificate etc.  Hmm... what happens if the database is backed up?  What 
happens if I need to move the database?

And of course my favorite SQL guy (Pinal Dave):

http://blog.sqlauthority.com/2009/04/28/sql-server-introduction-to-sql-server-encryption-and-symmetric-key-encryption-tutorial-with-script/

In the end however what I want do (in this case) is to allow specific information to be encrypted / 
decrypted on a user specific basis, i.e. based on something user specific.

Assume that users need to store their own Email Address, username and password in my database and 
then use that to send email "on their behalf" from my system.  The database is used for generating 
Community Volunteer passes, and when the pass is created it is printed to PDF, attached to an email 
and mailed to one or more email address at a specific prison.  I have created a new GMail account 
with a username and password but it would be nice to allow each user to enter their own email 
address / username / password to send from so that if there are issues and the prison replies to the 
email, it gets back to them directly.  Using my current system it would come back to my general 
address.  Of course I can do a "do not respond to this email" kind of thing but I have already been 
asked if they can get responses.

Obviously if I am going to store a user's email address, username and password it has to be 
encrypted, but furthermore it has to be retrievable only by that user.

-- 
John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it


From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Wed Jun  6 14:24:02 2012
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2012 20:24:02 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Multi-select listbox - Solved
In-Reply-To: <CAKhUvEX=hHRWonQ9w04skDpCPW_fZWch206M1FPdophnQNKUuA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2CF550FDAAD94297992232857506A2D7@MINSTER>

Hi Janet
If you manage to improve on it please let me know.
Cheers
Andy

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: 06 June 2012 17:44
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Multi-select listbox - Solved


Andy -

Thanks for posting this.  I'm going to try using it myself.

Janet Erbach

On Wed, Jun 6, 2012 at 11:31 AM, Andy Lacey
<andy at minstersystems.co.uk>wrote:

> I asked a question recently about searching a multi-select list  control
to
> position yourself at a point in the list. Here's the code I used in the
> end. It uses the list control's own .recordset which I didn't know it had
> until now. It's a little flakey in that if you run it immediately on
> opening
> the form sometimes it finds the record and sometimes not, but it always
> works if the list control has been selected by the user first and then
this
> is run (rather than run immediately on load of form for example). Really
> odd. If anyone can come up with a 100% solution that'd be great.
>
>
> For CurrentRow = 0 To Me!lstOptions.ListCount - 1
>      If Left(Me!lstOptions.Column(1, CurrentRow), intL) = strSearch Then
>          Me!lstOptions.Selected(CurrentRow) = True
>          With Me!lstOptions.Recordset
>               .FindFirst "KeyField = '" &
> Me!lstOptions.Column(0,CurrentRow) & "'"
>           End With
>           Exit For
>      End If
>  Next CurrentRow
>
>
> This presumes:
> - strSearch is search string
> - column(0) of list is unique id
> - column(1) of list is descriptor you're searching on
> - replace KeyField with field name of your unique id
>
>
> Hope it's useful to someone.
>
> Regards
>
> Andy
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
> Sent: 29 May 2012 16:18
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Multi-select listbox - Solved
>
>
> ...And the answer is.......? ;-)
>
> Jim
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andrew Lacey
> Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 8:05 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Multi-select listbox - Solved
>
> It's ok I've solved it myself
>
> Andy
>
>
> On 29 May 2012 at 14:46 Andrew Lacey <andy at minstersystems.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > Hey all, here's a rarity, an actual Access question.
> >
> >
> >
> > Given a multi-select listbox what I want to achieve is this:
> >
> > - user types a search value in a textbox
> >
> > - routine searches for the first occurrence of search value in the list
> >
> > - that first occurrence is selected
> >
> >
> >
> > I have all of that working BUT if the first occurrence is above or below
> > what's visible on-screen the entry is selected but can't be seen without
> > scrolling. What I want to do is reposition the list so the user can see
> the
> > entry that has been found and selected. I reckon if it wasn't
> multi-select
> > then setting the listbox's Value property would probably work but that's
> no
> > use on a multi-select. Anyone know how to achieve this?
> >
> >
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> >
> >
> > Andy
> >
> >
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Wed Jun  6 14:55:56 2012
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2012 12:55:56 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] FW: E-Z-MRP(tm) Error Report
Message-ID: <05B9057FE34841489913597B6D28684E@HAL9007>

How could an mde generate this error on the line of code:

DoCmd.GoToRecord , , acLast

MTIA

Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
858-259-4334
www.bchacc.com
www.e-z-mrp.com
Skype: rocky.smolin
 
 

-----Original Message-----
From: Victor Garcia [mailto:victor.hugo.garcia at prometalmexico.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2012 10:03 AM
To: rockysmolin at bchacc.com
Subject: E-Z-MRP(tm) Error Report

Error: 2499 - You can't use the GoToRecord action or method on an object in
Design view.
In: frmSOPackingList.Form_Open




From dbdoug at gmail.com  Wed Jun  6 15:09:17 2012
From: dbdoug at gmail.com (Doug Steele)
Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2012 13:09:17 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] FW: E-Z-MRP(tm) Error Report
In-Reply-To: <05B9057FE34841489913597B6D28684E@HAL9007>
References: <05B9057FE34841489913597B6D28684E@HAL9007>
Message-ID: <CAFa8NkjN1tx+dzEF=1pFG3WrpvfDys8JXBjmrtXR-0MMot5WXw@mail.gmail.com>

Empty record set?

Doug

On Wed, Jun 6, 2012 at 12:55 PM, Rocky Smolin <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>wrote:

> How could an mde generate this error on the line of code:
>
> DoCmd.GoToRecord , , acLast
>
> MTIA
>
> Rocky Smolin
> Beach Access Software
> 858-259-4334
> www.bchacc.com
> www.e-z-mrp.com
> Skype: rocky.smolin
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Victor Garcia [mailto:victor.hugo.garcia at prometalmexico.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2012 10:03 AM
> To: rockysmolin at bchacc.com
> Subject: E-Z-MRP(tm) Error Report
>
> Error: 2499 - You can't use the GoToRecord action or method on an object in
> Design view.
> In: frmSOPackingList.Form_Open
>
>
>
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From dbdoug at gmail.com  Wed Jun  6 15:11:39 2012
From: dbdoug at gmail.com (Doug Steele)
Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2012 13:11:39 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] FW: E-Z-MRP(tm) Error Report
In-Reply-To: <05B9057FE34841489913597B6D28684E@HAL9007>
References: <05B9057FE34841489913597B6D28684E@HAL9007>
Message-ID: <CAFa8Nkg+OEVttxgx6m4ATuqa6mFd=AgeUYPjZ49wSGu3Atk39A@mail.gmail.com>

Oops, I hit 'send' too early.  I meant to add:

If you are working with a recordset and you issue the command

  rs.movelast

you will get an error if the record count is zero.

Doug

On Wed, Jun 6, 2012 at 12:55 PM, Rocky Smolin <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>wrote:

> How could an mde generate this error on the line of code:
>
> DoCmd.GoToRecord , , acLast
>
> MTIA
>
> Rocky Smolin
> Beach Access Software
> 858-259-4334
> www.bchacc.com
> www.e-z-mrp.com
> Skype: rocky.smolin
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Victor Garcia [mailto:victor.hugo.garcia at prometalmexico.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2012 10:03 AM
> To: rockysmolin at bchacc.com
> Subject: E-Z-MRP(tm) Error Report
>
> Error: 2499 - You can't use the GoToRecord action or method on an object in
> Design view.
> In: frmSOPackingList.Form_Open
>
>
>
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Wed Jun  6 16:21:44 2012
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2012 14:21:44 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] FW: E-Z-MRP(tm) Error Report
In-Reply-To: <CAFa8NkjN1tx+dzEF=1pFG3WrpvfDys8JXBjmrtXR-0MMot5WXw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <05B9057FE34841489913597B6D28684E@HAL9007>
	<CAFa8NkjN1tx+dzEF=1pFG3WrpvfDys8JXBjmrtXR-0MMot5WXw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <10D33A79F8534D679D958C8C0E542E90@HAL9007>

That was my first thought, but no - there's records there.

R 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Doug Steele
Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2012 1:09 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] FW: E-Z-MRP(tm) Error Report

Empty record set?

Doug

On Wed, Jun 6, 2012 at 12:55 PM, Rocky Smolin <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>wrote:

> How could an mde generate this error on the line of code:
>
> DoCmd.GoToRecord , , acLast
>
> MTIA
>
> Rocky Smolin
> Beach Access Software
> 858-259-4334
> www.bchacc.com
> www.e-z-mrp.com
> Skype: rocky.smolin
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Victor Garcia [mailto:victor.hugo.garcia at prometalmexico.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2012 10:03 AM
> To: rockysmolin at bchacc.com
> Subject: E-Z-MRP(tm) Error Report
>
> Error: 2499 - You can't use the GoToRecord action or method on an 
> object in Design view.
> In: frmSOPackingList.Form_Open
>
>
>
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Wed Jun  6 16:28:18 2012
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2012 14:28:18 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] FW: E-Z-MRP(tm) Error Report
In-Reply-To: <10D33A79F8534D679D958C8C0E542E90@HAL9007>
References: <05B9057FE34841489913597B6D28684E@HAL9007><CAFa8NkjN1tx+dzEF=1pFG3WrpvfDys8JXBjmrtXR-0MMot5WXw@mail.gmail.com>
	<10D33A79F8534D679D958C8C0E542E90@HAL9007>
Message-ID: <9101C907C4C14AB58D3B8AB43ECD1B13@HAL9007>

This is the real mysterious part "in Design view." - that should never come
out of an mde should it?  Not the most obscure Access message I've seen in
the last 12 years.  But it's up there in the top 10.

R 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2012 2:22 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] FW: E-Z-MRP(tm) Error Report

That was my first thought, but no - there's records there.

R 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Doug Steele
Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2012 1:09 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] FW: E-Z-MRP(tm) Error Report

Empty record set?

Doug

On Wed, Jun 6, 2012 at 12:55 PM, Rocky Smolin <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>wrote:

> How could an mde generate this error on the line of code:
>
> DoCmd.GoToRecord , , acLast
>
> MTIA
>
> Rocky Smolin
> Beach Access Software
> 858-259-4334
> www.bchacc.com
> www.e-z-mrp.com
> Skype: rocky.smolin
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Victor Garcia [mailto:victor.hugo.garcia at prometalmexico.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2012 10:03 AM
> To: rockysmolin at bchacc.com
> Subject: E-Z-MRP(tm) Error Report
>
> Error: 2499 - You can't use the GoToRecord action or method on an 
> object in Design view.
> In: frmSOPackingList.Form_Open
>
>
>
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Wed Jun  6 17:36:34 2012
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2012 15:36:34 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] FW: E-Z-MRP(tm) Error Report
In-Reply-To: <9101C907C4C14AB58D3B8AB43ECD1B13@HAL9007>
References: <05B9057FE34841489913597B6D28684E@HAL9007><CAFa8NkjN1tx+dzEF=1pFG3WrpvfDys8JXBjmrtXR-0MMot5WXw@mail.gmail.com><10D33A79F8534D679D958C8C0E542E90@HAL9007>
	<9101C907C4C14AB58D3B8AB43ECD1B13@HAL9007>
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Hi Rocky:

After I would have just opened a recordset, the first command would be
something like:

With rsMyRecordset
	If .BOF = False Or .EOF = False Then
		.MoveLast
		...
	Else
		glEmployeeNumber = 0 'M/T
	End if
End With 

I always validate first with .BOF and .EOF or a movement within a M/T
recordset will produce an error.

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2012 2:28 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] FW: E-Z-MRP(tm) Error Report

This is the real mysterious part "in Design view." - that should never come
out of an mde should it?  Not the most obscure Access message I've seen in
the last 12 years.  But it's up there in the top 10.

R 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2012 2:22 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] FW: E-Z-MRP(tm) Error Report

That was my first thought, but no - there's records there.

R 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Doug Steele
Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2012 1:09 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] FW: E-Z-MRP(tm) Error Report

Empty record set?

Doug

On Wed, Jun 6, 2012 at 12:55 PM, Rocky Smolin <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>wrote:

> How could an mde generate this error on the line of code:
>
> DoCmd.GoToRecord , , acLast
>
> MTIA
>
> Rocky Smolin
> Beach Access Software
> 858-259-4334
> www.bchacc.com
> www.e-z-mrp.com
> Skype: rocky.smolin
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Victor Garcia [mailto:victor.hugo.garcia at prometalmexico.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2012 10:03 AM
> To: rockysmolin at bchacc.com
> Subject: E-Z-MRP(tm) Error Report
>
> Error: 2499 - You can't use the GoToRecord action or method on an 
> object in Design view.
> In: frmSOPackingList.Form_Open
>
>
>
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From jm.hwsn at gmail.com  Wed Jun  6 18:53:02 2012
From: jm.hwsn at gmail.com (jm.hwsn)
Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2012 18:53:02 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] FW: E-Z-MRP(tm) Error Report
In-Reply-To: <8C1E3BD362F64EFC9150D8AEDBCA70B3@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <05B9057FE34841489913597B6D28684E@HAL9007><CAFa8NkjN1tx+dzEF=1pFG3WrpvfDys8JXBjmrtXR-0MMot5WXw@mail.gmail.com><10D33A79F8534D679D958C8C0E542E90@HAL9007><9101C907C4C14AB58D3B8AB43ECD1B13@HAL9007>
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I have a similar problem with .MoveNext

The database crashes (shuts down) at the .MoveNext line.

What is strange to me, is that the form works... including the .MoveNext 
line IF the form is opened using the Navigation Pane. But, if the form is 
opened from a command button on another form it crashes.

Will this fix that problem also?

Thanks,
Jim

-----Original Message----- 
From: Jim Lawrence
Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2012 5:36 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] FW: E-Z-MRP(tm) Error Report

Hi Rocky:

After I would have just opened a recordset, the first command would be
something like:

With rsMyRecordset
If .BOF = False Or .EOF = False Then
.MoveLast
...
Else
glEmployeeNumber = 0 'M/T
End if
End With

I always validate first with .BOF and .EOF or a movement within a M/T
recordset will produce an error.

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2012 2:28 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] FW: E-Z-MRP(tm) Error Report

This is the real mysterious part "in Design view." - that should never come
out of an mde should it?  Not the most obscure Access message I've seen in
the last 12 years.  But it's up there in the top 10.

R

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2012 2:22 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] FW: E-Z-MRP(tm) Error Report

That was my first thought, but no - there's records there.

R

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Doug Steele
Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2012 1:09 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] FW: E-Z-MRP(tm) Error Report

Empty record set?

Doug

On Wed, Jun 6, 2012 at 12:55 PM, Rocky Smolin <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>wrote:

> How could an mde generate this error on the line of code:
>
> DoCmd.GoToRecord , , acLast
>
> MTIA
>
> Rocky Smolin
> Beach Access Software
> 858-259-4334
> www.bchacc.com
> www.e-z-mrp.com
> Skype: rocky.smolin
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Victor Garcia [mailto:victor.hugo.garcia at prometalmexico.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2012 10:03 AM
> To: rockysmolin at bchacc.com
> Subject: E-Z-MRP(tm) Error Report
>
> Error: 2499 - You can't use the GoToRecord action or method on an
> object in Design view.
> In: frmSOPackingList.Form_Open
>
>
>
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Wed Jun  6 19:53:01 2012
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2012 17:53:01 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] FW: E-Z-MRP(tm) Error Report
In-Reply-To: <1B12CB6251BA417DA7A5F413353A8A0B@HomePC>
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Hi Jim:

I do not know, but it is always best practice to test for a potential error
and avoid it rather than catching an error and handling it. As you have
found out some systems don't handle errors well. Avoidance is always the
best policy.

If you have ever worked with "C", one such error will bring an application
down in a split second or worse, it just bleeds to death, eventually
bringing your whole system down as well. The error handlers in Access,
especially in the latest versions are not the best...apparently....and most
of Access is still probably just a series of old "C" libraries, written in
the late nineties. The latest versions, I could swear are just being managed
by co-op students. ;-)
  
Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jm.hwsn
Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2012 4:53 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] FW: E-Z-MRP(tm) Error Report

I have a similar problem with .MoveNext

The database crashes (shuts down) at the .MoveNext line.

What is strange to me, is that the form works... including the .MoveNext 
line IF the form is opened using the Navigation Pane. But, if the form is 
opened from a command button on another form it crashes.

Will this fix that problem also?

Thanks,
Jim

-----Original Message----- 
From: Jim Lawrence
Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2012 5:36 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] FW: E-Z-MRP(tm) Error Report

Hi Rocky:

After I would have just opened a recordset, the first command would be
something like:

With rsMyRecordset
If .BOF = False Or .EOF = False Then
.MoveLast
...
Else
glEmployeeNumber = 0 'M/T
End if
End With

I always validate first with .BOF and .EOF or a movement within a M/T
recordset will produce an error.

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2012 2:28 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] FW: E-Z-MRP(tm) Error Report

This is the real mysterious part "in Design view." - that should never come
out of an mde should it?  Not the most obscure Access message I've seen in
the last 12 years.  But it's up there in the top 10.

R

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2012 2:22 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] FW: E-Z-MRP(tm) Error Report

That was my first thought, but no - there's records there.

R

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Doug Steele
Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2012 1:09 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] FW: E-Z-MRP(tm) Error Report

Empty record set?

Doug

On Wed, Jun 6, 2012 at 12:55 PM, Rocky Smolin <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>wrote:

> How could an mde generate this error on the line of code:
>
> DoCmd.GoToRecord , , acLast
>
> MTIA
>
> Rocky Smolin
> Beach Access Software
> 858-259-4334
> www.bchacc.com
> www.e-z-mrp.com
> Skype: rocky.smolin
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Victor Garcia [mailto:victor.hugo.garcia at prometalmexico.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2012 10:03 AM
> To: rockysmolin at bchacc.com
> Subject: E-Z-MRP(tm) Error Report
>
> Error: 2499 - You can't use the GoToRecord action or method on an
> object in Design view.
> In: frmSOPackingList.Form_Open
>
>
>
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From jm.hwsn at gmail.com  Wed Jun  6 20:16:29 2012
From: jm.hwsn at gmail.com (jm.hwsn)
Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2012 20:16:29 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] FW: E-Z-MRP(tm) Error Report
In-Reply-To: <E348CE007854455C84447514404F1B6F@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <05B9057FE34841489913597B6D28684E@HAL9007><CAFa8NkjN1tx+dzEF=1pFG3WrpvfDys8JXBjmrtXR-0MMot5WXw@mail.gmail.com><10D33A79F8534D679D958C8C0E542E90@HAL9007><9101C907C4C14AB58D3B8AB43ECD1B13@HAL9007><8C1E3BD362F64EFC9150D8AEDBCA70B3@creativesystemdesigns.com><1B12CB6251BA417DA7A5F413353A8A0B@HomePC>
	<E348CE007854455C84447514404F1B6F@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <53BE35C71FC24399B730273541E925EA@HomePC>

Thanks, I appreciate the response.
I'll try it tomorrow when I get to work.
Thanks again.
Jim

-----Original Message----- 
From: Jim Lawrence
Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2012 7:53 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] FW: E-Z-MRP(tm) Error Report

Hi Jim:

I do not know, but it is always best practice to test for a potential error
and avoid it rather than catching an error and handling it. As you have
found out some systems don't handle errors well. Avoidance is always the
best policy.

If you have ever worked with "C", one such error will bring an application
down in a split second or worse, it just bleeds to death, eventually
bringing your whole system down as well. The error handlers in Access,
especially in the latest versions are not the best...apparently....and most
of Access is still probably just a series of old "C" libraries, written in
the late nineties. The latest versions, I could swear are just being managed
by co-op students. ;-)

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jm.hwsn
Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2012 4:53 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] FW: E-Z-MRP(tm) Error Report

I have a similar problem with .MoveNext

The database crashes (shuts down) at the .MoveNext line.

What is strange to me, is that the form works... including the .MoveNext
line IF the form is opened using the Navigation Pane. But, if the form is
opened from a command button on another form it crashes.

Will this fix that problem also?

Thanks,
Jim

-----Original Message----- 
From: Jim Lawrence
Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2012 5:36 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] FW: E-Z-MRP(tm) Error Report

Hi Rocky:

After I would have just opened a recordset, the first command would be
something like:

With rsMyRecordset
If .BOF = False Or .EOF = False Then
.MoveLast
...
Else
glEmployeeNumber = 0 'M/T
End if
End With

I always validate first with .BOF and .EOF or a movement within a M/T
recordset will produce an error.

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2012 2:28 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] FW: E-Z-MRP(tm) Error Report

This is the real mysterious part "in Design view." - that should never come
out of an mde should it?  Not the most obscure Access message I've seen in
the last 12 years.  But it's up there in the top 10.

R

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2012 2:22 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] FW: E-Z-MRP(tm) Error Report

That was my first thought, but no - there's records there.

R

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Doug Steele
Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2012 1:09 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] FW: E-Z-MRP(tm) Error Report

Empty record set?

Doug

On Wed, Jun 6, 2012 at 12:55 PM, Rocky Smolin <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>wrote:

> How could an mde generate this error on the line of code:
>
> DoCmd.GoToRecord , , acLast
>
> MTIA
>
> Rocky Smolin
> Beach Access Software
> 858-259-4334
> www.bchacc.com
> www.e-z-mrp.com
> Skype: rocky.smolin
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Victor Garcia [mailto:victor.hugo.garcia at prometalmexico.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2012 10:03 AM
> To: rockysmolin at bchacc.com
> Subject: E-Z-MRP(tm) Error Report
>
> Error: 2499 - You can't use the GoToRecord action or method on an
> object in Design view.
> In: frmSOPackingList.Form_Open
>
>
>
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From marksimms at verizon.net  Wed Jun  6 20:56:01 2012
From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms)
Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2012 21:56:01 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] FW: E-Z-MRP(tm) Error Report
In-Reply-To: <E348CE007854455C84447514404F1B6F@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <05B9057FE34841489913597B6D28684E@HAL9007><CAFa8NkjN1tx+dzEF=1pFG3WrpvfDys8JXBjmrtXR-0MMot5WXw@mail.gmail.com><10D33A79F8534D679D958C8C0E542E90@HAL9007><9101C907C4C14AB58D3B8AB43ECD1B13@HAL9007><8C1E3BD362F64EFC9150D8AEDBCA70B3@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<1B12CB6251BA417DA7A5F413353A8A0B@HomePC>
	<E348CE007854455C84447514404F1B6F@creativesystemdesigns.com>
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..or foreign outsourcers.

> The latest versions, I could swear are just being managed
> by co-op students. ;-)
>
> Jim



From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Wed Jun  6 21:02:38 2012
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2012 19:02:38 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] FW: E-Z-MRP(tm) Error Report
In-Reply-To: <8C1E3BD362F64EFC9150D8AEDBCA70B3@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <05B9057FE34841489913597B6D28684E@HAL9007><CAFa8NkjN1tx+dzEF=1pFG3WrpvfDys8JXBjmrtXR-0MMot5WXw@mail.gmail.com><10D33A79F8534D679D958C8C0E542E90@HAL9007><9101C907C4C14AB58D3B8AB43ECD1B13@HAL9007>
	<8C1E3BD362F64EFC9150D8AEDBCA70B3@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <288CFF46F4C347C7A26DD87CBD9317F2@HAL9007>

True dat.  But this recordset is not empty.

R 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2012 3:37 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] FW: E-Z-MRP(tm) Error Report

Hi Rocky:

After I would have just opened a recordset, the first command would be
something like:

With rsMyRecordset
	If .BOF = False Or .EOF = False Then
		.MoveLast
		...
	Else
		glEmployeeNumber = 0 'M/T
	End if
End With 

I always validate first with .BOF and .EOF or a movement within a M/T
recordset will produce an error.

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2012 2:28 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] FW: E-Z-MRP(tm) Error Report

This is the real mysterious part "in Design view." - that should never come
out of an mde should it?  Not the most obscure Access message I've seen in
the last 12 years.  But it's up there in the top 10.

R 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2012 2:22 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] FW: E-Z-MRP(tm) Error Report

That was my first thought, but no - there's records there.

R 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Doug Steele
Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2012 1:09 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] FW: E-Z-MRP(tm) Error Report

Empty record set?

Doug

On Wed, Jun 6, 2012 at 12:55 PM, Rocky Smolin <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>wrote:

> How could an mde generate this error on the line of code:
>
> DoCmd.GoToRecord , , acLast
>
> MTIA
>
> Rocky Smolin
> Beach Access Software
> 858-259-4334
> www.bchacc.com
> www.e-z-mrp.com
> Skype: rocky.smolin
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Victor Garcia [mailto:victor.hugo.garcia at prometalmexico.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2012 10:03 AM
> To: rockysmolin at bchacc.com
> Subject: E-Z-MRP(tm) Error Report
>
> Error: 2499 - You can't use the GoToRecord action or method on an 
> object in Design view.
> In: frmSOPackingList.Form_Open
>
>
>
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Wed Jun  6 22:48:15 2012
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2012 20:48:15 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] FW: E-Z-MRP(tm) Error Report
In-Reply-To: <000c01cd4450$b0f94110$12ebc330$@net>
References: <05B9057FE34841489913597B6D28684E@HAL9007><CAFa8NkjN1tx+dzEF=1pFG3WrpvfDys8JXBjmrtXR-0MMot5WXw@mail.gmail.com><10D33A79F8534D679D958C8C0E542E90@HAL9007><9101C907C4C14AB58D3B8AB43ECD1B13@HAL9007><8C1E3BD362F64EFC9150D8AEDBCA70B3@creativesystemdesigns.com><1B12CB6251BA417DA7A5F413353A8A0B@HomePC><E348CE007854455C84447514404F1B6F@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<000c01cd4450$b0f94110$12ebc330$@net>
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..or foreign outsourced co-op students. ;-)

Jim

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Simms
Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2012 6:56 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] FW: E-Z-MRP(tm) Error Report

..or foreign outsourcers.

> The latest versions, I could swear are just being managed
> by co-op students. ;-)
>
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Wed Jun  6 22:50:36 2012
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2012 20:50:36 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] FW: E-Z-MRP(tm) Error Report
In-Reply-To: <288CFF46F4C347C7A26DD87CBD9317F2@HAL9007>
References: <05B9057FE34841489913597B6D28684E@HAL9007><CAFa8NkjN1tx+dzEF=1pFG3WrpvfDys8JXBjmrtXR-0MMot5WXw@mail.gmail.com><10D33A79F8534D679D958C8C0E542E90@HAL9007><9101C907C4C14AB58D3B8AB43ECD1B13@HAL9007><8C1E3BD362F64EFC9150D8AEDBCA70B3@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<288CFF46F4C347C7A26DD87CBD9317F2@HAL9007>
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Then it must be a broken table or keys...try exporting and re-importing the
table.

Jim

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2012 7:03 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] FW: E-Z-MRP(tm) Error Report

True dat.  But this recordset is not empty.

R 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2012 3:37 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] FW: E-Z-MRP(tm) Error Report

Hi Rocky:

After I would have just opened a recordset, the first command would be
something like:

With rsMyRecordset
	If .BOF = False Or .EOF = False Then
		.MoveLast
		...
	Else
		glEmployeeNumber = 0 'M/T
	End if
End With 

I always validate first with .BOF and .EOF or a movement within a M/T
recordset will produce an error.

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2012 2:28 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] FW: E-Z-MRP(tm) Error Report

This is the real mysterious part "in Design view." - that should never come
out of an mde should it?  Not the most obscure Access message I've seen in
the last 12 years.  But it's up there in the top 10.

R 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2012 2:22 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] FW: E-Z-MRP(tm) Error Report

That was my first thought, but no - there's records there.

R 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Doug Steele
Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2012 1:09 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] FW: E-Z-MRP(tm) Error Report

Empty record set?

Doug

On Wed, Jun 6, 2012 at 12:55 PM, Rocky Smolin <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>wrote:

> How could an mde generate this error on the line of code:
>
> DoCmd.GoToRecord , , acLast
>
> MTIA
>
> Rocky Smolin
> Beach Access Software
> 858-259-4334
> www.bchacc.com
> www.e-z-mrp.com
> Skype: rocky.smolin
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Victor Garcia [mailto:victor.hugo.garcia at prometalmexico.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2012 10:03 AM
> To: rockysmolin at bchacc.com
> Subject: E-Z-MRP(tm) Error Report
>
> Error: 2499 - You can't use the GoToRecord action or method on an 
> object in Design view.
> In: frmSOPackingList.Form_Open
>
>
>
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From charlotte.foust at gmail.com  Wed Jun  6 23:08:39 2012
From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2012 21:08:39 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] FW: E-Z-MRP(tm) Error Report
In-Reply-To: <05B9057FE34841489913597B6D28684E@HAL9007>
References: <05B9057FE34841489913597B6D28684E@HAL9007>
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Can you even use that command in the Form_Open event?  I didn't think the
recordset was loaded at that point.  Thought you had to wait for the Load
event.

Charlotte Foust

On Wed, Jun 6, 2012 at 12:55 PM, Rocky Smolin <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>wrote:

> How could an mde generate this error on the line of code:
>
> DoCmd.GoToRecord , , acLast
>
> MTIA
>
> Rocky Smolin
> Beach Access Software
> 858-259-4334
> www.bchacc.com
>
>
> www.e-z-mrp.com
>
>
> Skype: rocky.smolin
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Victor Garcia [mailto:victor.hugo.garcia at prometalmexico.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2012 10:03 AM
> To: rockysmolin at bchacc.com
> Subject: E-Z-MRP(tm) Error Report
>
> Error: 2499 - You can't use the GoToRecord action or method on an object in
> Design view.
> In: frmSOPackingList.Form_Open
>
>
>
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>
>

From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Wed Jun  6 23:17:10 2012
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2012 21:17:10 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] FW: E-Z-MRP(tm) Error Report
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Well, there's a theory.  In the open if there's an openarg (a PK passed by a
calling program) I do a find first else I just move to the last record.

I could move the whole shebang from the open event to the Load event.

R 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2012 9:09 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] FW: E-Z-MRP(tm) Error Report

Can you even use that command in the Form_Open event?  I didn't think the
recordset was loaded at that point.  Thought you had to wait for the Load
event.

Charlotte Foust

On Wed, Jun 6, 2012 at 12:55 PM, Rocky Smolin <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>wrote:

> How could an mde generate this error on the line of code:
>
> DoCmd.GoToRecord , , acLast
>
> MTIA
>
> Rocky Smolin
> Beach Access Software
> 858-259-4334
> www.bchacc.com
>
>
> www.e-z-mrp.com
>
>
> Skype: rocky.smolin
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Victor Garcia [mailto:victor.hugo.garcia at prometalmexico.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2012 10:03 AM
> To: rockysmolin at bchacc.com
> Subject: E-Z-MRP(tm) Error Report
>
> Error: 2499 - You can't use the GoToRecord action or method on an 
> object in Design view.
> In: frmSOPackingList.Form_Open
>
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From charlotte.foust at gmail.com  Wed Jun  6 23:20:35 2012
From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2012 21:20:35 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] FW: E-Z-MRP(tm) Error Report
In-Reply-To: <A5D20720FF3F44B18F7B41A69081598E@HAL9007>
References: <05B9057FE34841489913597B6D28684E@HAL9007>
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You might have to store the OpenArgs value to a module level variable.
I've had instances of it evaporating otherwise.

Charlotte Foust

On Wed, Jun 6, 2012 at 9:17 PM, Rocky Smolin <rockysmolin at bchacc.com> wrote:

> Well, there's a theory.  In the open if there's an openarg (a PK passed by
> a
> calling program) I do a find first else I just move to the last record.
>
> I could move the whole shebang from the open event to the Load event.
>
> R
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
> Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2012 9:09 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] FW: E-Z-MRP(tm) Error Report
>
> Can you even use that command in the Form_Open event?  I didn't think the
> recordset was loaded at that point.  Thought you had to wait for the Load
> event.
>
> Charlotte Foust
>
> On Wed, Jun 6, 2012 at 12:55 PM, Rocky Smolin <rockysmolin at bchacc.com
> >wrote:
>
> > How could an mde generate this error on the line of code:
> >
> > DoCmd.GoToRecord , , acLast
> >
> > MTIA
> >
> > Rocky Smolin
> > Beach Access Software
> > 858-259-4334
> > www.bchacc.com
>
>
> >
> >
> > www.e-z-mrp.com
>
>
> >
> >
> > Skype: rocky.smolin
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Victor Garcia [mailto:victor.hugo.garcia at prometalmexico.com]
> > Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2012 10:03 AM
> > To: rockysmolin at bchacc.com
> > Subject: E-Z-MRP(tm) Error Report
> >
> > Error: 2499 - You can't use the GoToRecord action or method on an
> > object in Design view.
> > In: frmSOPackingList.Form_Open
> >
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Wed Jun  6 23:52:13 2012
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2012 21:52:13 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] FW: E-Z-MRP(tm) Error Report
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Ooh, good catch.  It doesn't persist then past the Open event?

R 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2012 9:21 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] FW: E-Z-MRP(tm) Error Report

You might have to store the OpenArgs value to a module level variable.
I've had instances of it evaporating otherwise.

Charlotte Foust

On Wed, Jun 6, 2012 at 9:17 PM, Rocky Smolin <rockysmolin at bchacc.com> wrote:

> Well, there's a theory.  In the open if there's an openarg (a PK 
> passed by a calling program) I do a find first else I just move to the 
> last record.
>
> I could move the whole shebang from the open event to the Load event.
>
> R
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte 
> Foust
> Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2012 9:09 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] FW: E-Z-MRP(tm) Error Report
>
> Can you even use that command in the Form_Open event?  I didn't think 
> the recordset was loaded at that point.  Thought you had to wait for 
> the Load event.
>
> Charlotte Foust
>
> On Wed, Jun 6, 2012 at 12:55 PM, Rocky Smolin <rockysmolin at bchacc.com
> >wrote:
>
> > How could an mde generate this error on the line of code:
> >
> > DoCmd.GoToRecord , , acLast
> >
> > MTIA
> >
> > Rocky Smolin
> > Beach Access Software
> > 858-259-4334
> > www.bchacc.com
>
>
> >
> >
> > www.e-z-mrp.com
>
>
> >
> >
> > Skype: rocky.smolin
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Victor Garcia [mailto:victor.hugo.garcia at prometalmexico.com]
> > Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2012 10:03 AM
> > To: rockysmolin at bchacc.com
> > Subject: E-Z-MRP(tm) Error Report
> >
> > Error: 2499 - You can't use the GoToRecord action or method on an 
> > object in Design view.
> > In: frmSOPackingList.Form_Open
> >
> >
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From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Thu Jun  7 03:36:24 2012
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andrew Lacey)
Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2012 09:36:24 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [AccessD] Help with Macro Security Level, Trusted Locations,
	Signatures et al
Message-ID: <211222755.5689.1339058184168.JavaMail.open-xchange@email.1and1.co.uk>

Ok so you deliver a working MDB and the first thing the user sees when they open
it is a series of popups warning about stopping running macros and then allowing
them to run this one. The Medium-level Access macro security stuff. All very
messy. Site won't permit setting Low security because of risk from other Access
apps. Reading the MS literature it looks to me as if the easiest solution is to
create a trusted location but as I plan to roll this out using Access 2010
Runtime I suspect the end-user pc's won't have the tools tto cereate a trustred
location (or am I wrong?). What do you guys do? Am looking for simplest
solution.

Cheers

Andy

From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Jun  7 05:46:32 2012
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2012 06:46:32 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Help with Macro Security Level, Trusted Locations,
 Signatures et al
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I use a third party app which creates a trusted location.  However it does so with registry writes 
which may not work in your case.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 6/7/2012 4:36 AM, Andrew Lacey wrote:
> Ok so you deliver a working MDB and the first thing the user sees when they open
> it is a series of popups warning about stopping running macros and then allowing
> them to run this one. The Medium-level Access macro security stuff. All very
> messy. Site won't permit setting Low security because of risk from other Access
> apps. Reading the MS literature it looks to me as if the easiest solution is to
> create a trusted location but as I plan to roll this out using Access 2010
> Runtime I suspect the end-user pc's won't have the tools tto cereate a trustred
> location (or am I wrong?). What do you guys do? Am looking for simplest
> solution.
>
> Cheers
>
> Andy


From jm.hwsn at gmail.com  Thu Jun  7 07:40:20 2012
From: jm.hwsn at gmail.com (Jim Hewson)
Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2012 07:40:20 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Help with Macro Security Level, Trusted Locations,
 Signatures et al
In-Reply-To: <4FD08688.1000801@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <211222755.5689.1339058184168.JavaMail.open-xchange@email.1and1.co.uk>
	<4FD08688.1000801@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <CACbV_8OqoKyTBFghxesxuAAcGa4xsdCN1GW_r=tnEY+ABYdseA@mail.gmail.com>

I am a contractor for a government agency.  They have implemented group
policy to disable macros and trusted locations.  I've tried a registry hack
and all sorts of things to by-pass the messages that come up to no avail.
The best that I can do is to train the user what the messages mean and what
to do.  I've also learned that since I'm using Access 2007, if I change the
extension to ACCDR (runtime) only one message appears.
Jim
On Thu, Jun 7, 2012 at 5:46 AM, jwcolby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:

> I use a third party app which creates a trusted location.  However it does
> so with registry writes which may not work in your case.
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
>
> Reality is what refuses to go away
> when you do not believe in it
>
> On 6/7/2012 4:36 AM, Andrew Lacey wrote:
>
>> Ok so you deliver a working MDB and the first thing the user sees when
>> they open
>> it is a series of popups warning about stopping running macros and then
>> allowing
>> them to run this one. The Medium-level Access macro security stuff. All
>> very
>> messy. Site won't permit setting Low security because of risk from other
>> Access
>> apps. Reading the MS literature it looks to me as if the easiest solution
>> is to
>> create a trusted location but as I plan to roll this out using Access 2010
>> Runtime I suspect the end-user pc's won't have the tools tto cereate a
>> trustred
>> location (or am I wrong?). What do you guys do? Am looking for simplest
>> solution.
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> Andy
>>
>
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From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Thu Jun  7 07:52:16 2012
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andrew Lacey)
Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2012 13:52:16 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [AccessD] Help with Macro Security Level, Trusted Locations,
 Signatures et al
In-Reply-To: <CACbV_8OqoKyTBFghxesxuAAcGa4xsdCN1GW_r=tnEY+ABYdseA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <211222755.5689.1339058184168.JavaMail.open-xchange@email.1and1.co.uk>
	<4FD08688.1000801@colbyconsulting.com>
	<CACbV_8OqoKyTBFghxesxuAAcGa4xsdCN1GW_r=tnEY+ABYdseA@mail.gmail.com>
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Thanks Jim, don't think I've a problem using trusted locations, as long as I can
create one.

JC, do you know what the registry update is? I've found this on-line:

[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Office\14.0\Access\Security]
"VBAWarnings"=dword:00000001
[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Office\14.0\Access\Security\Trusted
Locations\Location3]
"Path"="C:\Database"
"Description"=""
"Date"="6/7/201209 4:00 PM"

but when I run the .Reg file I get the message saying "Are you sure you want to
update the registry" but then it can't be imported because it's not a registry
script. Any ideas?

Andy



On 07 June 2012 at 13:40 Jim Hewson <jm.hwsn at gmail.com> wrote:

> I am a contractor for a government agency.  They have implemented group
> policy to disable macros and trusted locations.  I've tried a registry hack
> and all sorts of things to by-pass the messages that come up to no avail.
> The best that I can do is to train the user what the messages mean and what
> to do.  I've also learned that since I'm using Access 2007, if I change the
> extension to ACCDR (runtime) only one message appears.
> Jim
> On Thu, Jun 7, 2012 at 5:46 AM, jwcolby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
>
> > I use a third party app which creates a trusted location.  However it does
> > so with registry writes which may not work in your case.
> >
> > John W. Colby
> > Colby Consulting
> >
> > Reality is what refuses to go away
> > when you do not believe in it
> >
> > On 6/7/2012 4:36 AM, Andrew Lacey wrote:
> >
> >> Ok so you deliver a working MDB and the first thing the user sees when
> >> they open
> >> it is a series of popups warning about stopping running macros and then
> >> allowing
> >> them to run this one. The Medium-level Access macro security stuff. All
> >> very
> >> messy. Site won't permit setting Low security because of risk from other
> >> Access
> >> apps. Reading the MS literature it looks to me as if the easiest solution
> >> is to
> >> create a trusted location but as I plan to roll this out using Access 2010
> >> Runtime I suspect the end-user pc's won't have the tools tto cereate a
> >> trustred
> >> location (or am I wrong?). What do you guys do? Am looking for simplest
> >> solution.
> >>
> >> Cheers
> >>
> >> Andy
> >>
> >
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From jimdettman at verizon.net  Thu Jun  7 07:56:46 2012
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2012 08:56:46 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] FW: E-Z-MRP(tm) Error Report
In-Reply-To: <A5D20720FF3F44B18F7B41A69081598E@HAL9007>
References: <05B9057FE34841489913597B6D28684E@HAL9007>
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	<A5D20720FF3F44B18F7B41A69081598E@HAL9007>
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 That's the ticket... A forms record set may or may not be there yet in the
open event.  

 Your not guaranteed it's available until the OnLoad.

 Everyone likes to put stuff in OnOpen because it's cancelable, where as
OnLoad is not.  But the form is really not up and running yet.  Its simply
started to open and it's still getting itself together through that event.

Jim. 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2012 12:17 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] FW: E-Z-MRP(tm) Error Report

Well, there's a theory.  In the open if there's an openarg (a PK passed by a
calling program) I do a find first else I just move to the last record.

I could move the whole shebang from the open event to the Load event.

R 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2012 9:09 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] FW: E-Z-MRP(tm) Error Report

Can you even use that command in the Form_Open event?  I didn't think the
recordset was loaded at that point.  Thought you had to wait for the Load
event.

Charlotte Foust

On Wed, Jun 6, 2012 at 12:55 PM, Rocky Smolin <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>wrote:

> How could an mde generate this error on the line of code:
>
> DoCmd.GoToRecord , , acLast
>
> MTIA
>
> Rocky Smolin
> Beach Access Software
> 858-259-4334
> www.bchacc.com
>
>
> www.e-z-mrp.com
>
>
> Skype: rocky.smolin
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Victor Garcia [mailto:victor.hugo.garcia at prometalmexico.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2012 10:03 AM
> To: rockysmolin at bchacc.com
> Subject: E-Z-MRP(tm) Error Report
>
> Error: 2499 - You can't use the GoToRecord action or method on an 
> object in Design view.
> In: frmSOPackingList.Form_Open
>
>
>
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From jimdettman at verizon.net  Thu Jun  7 08:03:37 2012
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2012 09:03:37 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Help with Macro Security Level, Trusted Locations,
 Signatures et al
In-Reply-To: <211222755.5689.1339058184168.JavaMail.open-xchange@email.1and1.co.uk>
References: <211222755.5689.1339058184168.JavaMail.open-xchange@email.1and1.co.uk>
Message-ID: <5780AD6A6F534770A5A0398877506C65@XPS>


 The simplest is adding a trusted location.  The other option is to
digitally sign your app:

http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/access-help/show-trust-by-adding-a-digital
-signature-HA010342008.aspx

 I've always gone the registry route when needed. 

Jim.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andrew Lacey
Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2012 04:36 AM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Help with Macro Security Level, Trusted
Locations,Signatures et al

Ok so you deliver a working MDB and the first thing the user sees when they
open
it is a series of popups warning about stopping running macros and then
allowing
them to run this one. The Medium-level Access macro security stuff. All very
messy. Site won't permit setting Low security because of risk from other
Access
apps. Reading the MS literature it looks to me as if the easiest solution is
to
create a trusted location but as I plan to roll this out using Access 2010
Runtime I suspect the end-user pc's won't have the tools tto cereate a
trustred
location (or am I wrong?). What do you guys do? Am looking for simplest
solution.

Cheers

Andy
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Jun  7 08:14:13 2012
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2012 09:14:13 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Help with Macro Security Level, Trusted Locations,
 Signatures et al
In-Reply-To: <224453814.20098.1339073536535.JavaMail.open-xchange@email.1and1.co.uk>
References: <211222755.5689.1339058184168.JavaMail.open-xchange@email.1and1.co.uk>
	<4FD08688.1000801@colbyconsulting.com>
	<CACbV_8OqoKyTBFghxesxuAAcGa4xsdCN1GW_r=tnEY+ABYdseA@mail.gmail.com>
	<224453814.20098.1339073536535.JavaMail.open-xchange@email.1and1.co.uk>
Message-ID: <4FD0A925.2080605@colbyconsulting.com>

I use the following.  I place it in my Dev directory under which are all of my access projects and 
run it.  Everything in that location and below are suddenly trusted.  The only problem is that it is 
written in German but just click OK and you are done.

Google AddPath.exe

http://alexeilebedev.blogspot.com/2007/10/addpathexe.html
http://www.pcreview.co.uk/forums/access-2007-trusted-location-t3994021.html

John W. Colby
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On 6/7/2012 8:52 AM, Andrew Lacey wrote:
> Thanks Jim, don't think I've a problem using trusted locations, as long as I can
> create one.
>
> JC, do you know what the registry update is? I've found this on-line:
>
> [HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Office\14.0\Access\Security]
> "VBAWarnings"=dword:00000001
> [HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Office\14.0\Access\Security\Trusted
> Locations\Location3]
> "Path"="C:\Database"
> "Description"=""
> "Date"="6/7/201209 4:00 PM"
>
> but when I run the .Reg file I get the message saying "Are you sure you want to
> update the registry" but then it can't be imported because it's not a registry
> script. Any ideas?
>
> Andy
>
>
>
> On 07 June 2012 at 13:40 Jim Hewson<jm.hwsn at gmail.com>  wrote:
>
>> I am a contractor for a government agency.  They have implemented group
>> policy to disable macros and trusted locations.  I've tried a registry hack
>> and all sorts of things to by-pass the messages that come up to no avail.
>> The best that I can do is to train the user what the messages mean and what
>> to do.  I've also learned that since I'm using Access 2007, if I change the
>> extension to ACCDR (runtime) only one message appears.
>> Jim
>> On Thu, Jun 7, 2012 at 5:46 AM, jwcolby<jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>  wrote:
>>
>>> I use a third party app which creates a trusted location.  However it does
>>> so with registry writes which may not work in your case.
>>>
>>> John W. Colby
>>> Colby Consulting
>>>
>>> Reality is what refuses to go away
>>> when you do not believe in it
>>>
>>> On 6/7/2012 4:36 AM, Andrew Lacey wrote:


From jm.hwsn at gmail.com  Thu Jun  7 08:26:48 2012
From: jm.hwsn at gmail.com (Jim Hewson)
Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2012 08:26:48 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Help with Macro Security Level, Trusted Locations,
 Signatures et al
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That's the point.
With a group policy in place Registry changes will not work.
Even using regedit does not work. I've tried it.

Let me define group policy...  Group Policy is a MS feature for Windows 7.
This means the IT department can dictate what ALL users can do on their
machines.
In my case ALL macros (read code) are disabled and Trusted Locations are
NOT allowed.
With a group policy in place, changes to the visible registry are not
effective.

I suggest that before you go down the primrose path... talk with the IT
departmart to ensure group policy is not in place.

Jim
On Thu, Jun 7, 2012 at 7:52 AM, Andrew Lacey <andy at minstersystems.co.uk>wrote:

> Thanks Jim, don't think I've a problem using trusted locations, as long as
> I can
> create one.
>
> JC, do you know what the registry update is? I've found this on-line:
>
> [HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Office\14.0\Access\Security]
> "VBAWarnings"=dword:00000001
> [HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Office\14.0\Access\Security\Trusted
> Locations\Location3]
> "Path"="C:\Database"
> "Description"=""
> "Date"="6/7/201209 4:00 PM"
>
> but when I run the .Reg file I get the message saying "Are you sure you
> want to
> update the registry" but then it can't be imported because it's not a
> registry
> script. Any ideas?
>
> Andy
>
>
>
> On 07 June 2012 at 13:40 Jim Hewson <jm.hwsn at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I am a contractor for a government agency.  They have implemented group
> > policy to disable macros and trusted locations.  I've tried a registry
> hack
> > and all sorts of things to by-pass the messages that come up to no avail.
> > The best that I can do is to train the user what the messages mean and
> what
> > to do.  I've also learned that since I'm using Access 2007, if I change
> the
> > extension to ACCDR (runtime) only one message appears.
> > Jim
> > On Thu, Jun 7, 2012 at 5:46 AM, jwcolby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > > I use a third party app which creates a trusted location.  However it
> does
> > > so with registry writes which may not work in your case.
> > >
> > > John W. Colby
> > > Colby Consulting
> > >
> > > Reality is what refuses to go away
> > > when you do not believe in it
> > >
> > > On 6/7/2012 4:36 AM, Andrew Lacey wrote:
> > >
> > >> Ok so you deliver a working MDB and the first thing the user sees when
> > >> they open
> > >> it is a series of popups warning about stopping running macros and
> then
> > >> allowing
> > >> them to run this one. The Medium-level Access macro security stuff.
> All
> > >> very
> > >> messy. Site won't permit setting Low security because of risk from
> other
> > >> Access
> > >> apps. Reading the MS literature it looks to me as if the easiest
> solution
> > >> is to
> > >> create a trusted location but as I plan to roll this out using Access
> 2010
> > >> Runtime I suspect the end-user pc's won't have the tools tto cereate a
> > >> trustred
> > >> location (or am I wrong?). What do you guys do? Am looking for
> simplest
> > >> solution.
> > >>
> > >> Cheers
> > >>
> > >> Andy
> > >>
> > >
> > > --
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> http://www.databaseadvisors.com>
> > >
> > --
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> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
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From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Thu Jun  7 08:36:24 2012
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andrew Lacey)
Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2012 14:36:24 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [AccessD] Help with Macro Security Level, Trusted Locations,
 Signatures et al
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Hi Jim

Group policy mustn't be because the Addpath exe that JC pointed me to has
worked. Thanks for advice anyway.

Andy


On 07 June 2012 at 14:26 Jim Hewson <jm.hwsn at gmail.com> wrote:

> That's the point.
> With a group policy in place Registry changes will not work.
> Even using regedit does not work. I've tried it.
>
> Let me define group policy...  Group Policy is a MS feature for Windows 7.
> This means the IT department can dictate what ALL users can do on their
> machines.
> In my case ALL macros (read code) are disabled and Trusted Locations are
> NOT allowed.
> With a group policy in place, changes to the visible registry are not
> effective.
>
> I suggest that before you go down the primrose path... talk with the IT
> departmart to ensure group policy is not in place.
>
> Jim
> On Thu, Jun 7, 2012 at 7:52 AM, Andrew Lacey <andy at minstersystems.co.uk>wrote:
>
> > Thanks Jim, don't think I've a problem using trusted locations, as long as
> > I can
> > create one.
> >
> > JC, do you know what the registry update is? I've found this on-line:
> >
> > [HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Office\14.0\Access\Security]
> > "VBAWarnings"=dword:00000001
> > [HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Office\14.0\Access\Security\Trusted
> > Locations\Location3]
> > "Path"="C:\Database"
> > "Description"=""
> > "Date"="6/7/201209 4:00 PM"
> >
> > but when I run the .Reg file I get the message saying "Are you sure you
> > want to
> > update the registry" but then it can't be imported because it's not a
> > registry
> > script. Any ideas?
> >
> > Andy
> >
> >
> >
> > On 07 June 2012 at 13:40 Jim Hewson <jm.hwsn at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > I am a contractor for a government agency.  They have implemented group
> > > policy to disable macros and trusted locations.  I've tried a registry
> > hack
> > > and all sorts of things to by-pass the messages that come up to no avail.
> > > The best that I can do is to train the user what the messages mean and
> > what
> > > to do.  I've also learned that since I'm using Access 2007, if I change
> > the
> > > extension to ACCDR (runtime) only one message appears.
> > > Jim
> > > On Thu, Jun 7, 2012 at 5:46 AM, jwcolby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > > I use a third party app which creates a trusted location.  However it
> > does
> > > > so with registry writes which may not work in your case.
> > > >
> > > > John W. Colby
> > > > Colby Consulting
> > > >
> > > > Reality is what refuses to go away
> > > > when you do not believe in it
> > > >
> > > > On 6/7/2012 4:36 AM, Andrew Lacey wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> Ok so you deliver a working MDB and the first thing the user sees when
> > > >> they open
> > > >> it is a series of popups warning about stopping running macros and
> > then
> > > >> allowing
> > > >> them to run this one. The Medium-level Access macro security stuff.
> > All
> > > >> very
> > > >> messy. Site won't permit setting Low security because of risk from
> > other
> > > >> Access
> > > >> apps. Reading the MS literature it looks to me as if the easiest
> > solution
> > > >> is to
> > > >> create a trusted location but as I plan to roll this out using Access
> > 2010
> > > >> Runtime I suspect the end-user pc's won't have the tools tto cereate a
> > > >> trustred
> > > >> location (or am I wrong?). What do you guys do? Am looking for
> > simplest
> > > >> solution.
> > > >>
> > > >> Cheers
> > > >>
> > > >> Andy
> > > >>
> > > >
> > > > --
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> > > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/accessd<
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd>
> > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.**com<
> > http://www.databaseadvisors.com>
> > > >
> > > --
> > > AccessD mailing list
> > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
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From jm.hwsn at gmail.com  Thu Jun  7 08:42:43 2012
From: jm.hwsn at gmail.com (Jim Hewson)
Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2012 08:42:43 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Help with Macro Security Level, Trusted Locations,
 Signatures et al
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Great! I'm glad it worked for you.
Jim
On Thu, Jun 7, 2012 at 8:36 AM, Andrew Lacey <andy at minstersystems.co.uk>wrote:

> Hi Jim
>
> Group policy mustn't be because the Addpath exe that JC pointed me to has
> worked. Thanks for advice anyway.
>
> Andy
>
>
> On 07 June 2012 at 14:26 Jim Hewson <jm.hwsn at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > That's the point.
> > With a group policy in place Registry changes will not work.
> > Even using regedit does not work. I've tried it.
> >
> > Let me define group policy...  Group Policy is a MS feature for Windows
> 7.
> > This means the IT department can dictate what ALL users can do on their
> > machines.
> > In my case ALL macros (read code) are disabled and Trusted Locations are
> > NOT allowed.
> > With a group policy in place, changes to the visible registry are not
> > effective.
> >
> > I suggest that before you go down the primrose path... talk with the IT
> > departmart to ensure group policy is not in place.
> >
> > Jim
> > On Thu, Jun 7, 2012 at 7:52 AM, Andrew Lacey <andy at minstersystems.co.uk
> >wrote:
> >
> > > Thanks Jim, don't think I've a problem using trusted locations, as
> long as
> > > I can
> > > create one.
> > >
> > > JC, do you know what the registry update is? I've found this on-line:
> > >
> > > [HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Office\14.0\Access\Security]
> > > "VBAWarnings"=dword:00000001
> > >
> [HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Office\14.0\Access\Security\Trusted
> > > Locations\Location3]
> > > "Path"="C:\Database"
> > > "Description"=""
> > > "Date"="6/7/201209 4:00 PM"
> > >
> > > but when I run the .Reg file I get the message saying "Are you sure you
> > > want to
> > > update the registry" but then it can't be imported because it's not a
> > > registry
> > > script. Any ideas?
> > >
> > > Andy
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On 07 June 2012 at 13:40 Jim Hewson <jm.hwsn at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > I am a contractor for a government agency.  They have implemented
> group
> > > > policy to disable macros and trusted locations.  I've tried a
> registry
> > > hack
> > > > and all sorts of things to by-pass the messages that come up to no
> avail.
> > > > The best that I can do is to train the user what the messages mean
> and
> > > what
> > > > to do.  I've also learned that since I'm using Access 2007, if I
> change
> > > the
> > > > extension to ACCDR (runtime) only one message appears.
> > > > Jim
> > > > On Thu, Jun 7, 2012 at 5:46 AM, jwcolby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com
> >
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > I use a third party app which creates a trusted location.  However
> it
> > > does
> > > > > so with registry writes which may not work in your case.
> > > > >
> > > > > John W. Colby
> > > > > Colby Consulting
> > > > >
> > > > > Reality is what refuses to go away
> > > > > when you do not believe in it
> > > > >
> > > > > On 6/7/2012 4:36 AM, Andrew Lacey wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >> Ok so you deliver a working MDB and the first thing the user sees
> when
> > > > >> they open
> > > > >> it is a series of popups warning about stopping running macros and
> > > then
> > > > >> allowing
> > > > >> them to run this one. The Medium-level Access macro security
> stuff.
> > > All
> > > > >> very
> > > > >> messy. Site won't permit setting Low security because of risk from
> > > other
> > > > >> Access
> > > > >> apps. Reading the MS literature it looks to me as if the easiest
> > > solution
> > > > >> is to
> > > > >> create a trusted location but as I plan to roll this out using
> Access
> > > 2010
> > > > >> Runtime I suspect the end-user pc's won't have the tools tto
> cereate a
> > > > >> trustred
> > > > >> location (or am I wrong?). What do you guys do? Am looking for
> > > simplest
> > > > >> solution.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Cheers
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Andy
> > > > >>
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > AccessD mailing list
> > > > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/accessd<
> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd>
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> > > http://www.databaseadvisors.com>
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From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Thu Jun  7 08:51:04 2012
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andrew Lacey)
Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2012 14:51:04 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [AccessD] Access 2010 Package Deployment error
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Jeez, the Access gods are really out to get me on this project.

Downloaded A2010 Runtime. Running A2010 as admin and doing the Package Solution
wizard. All goes fine until the end of the 4th screen (General Properties,
Feature Information, etc). Click OK, save the settings and !^&*(*&*@@ I get "An
unexpected error has occurred". Really, really helpful MS. I assume if it was
expected you wouldn't have errored!!!

Has anyone had this and have a solution? I've Googled and found a Hotfix for
this happenning when additional files are added but a) I'm not adding any and b)
I tried it anyway and it hasn't helped. I've varied the parameters you type in
and still get it every time.

Stymied at every turn here. I want go back to my lovely old A97 :-(

Andy

From charlotte.foust at gmail.com  Thu Jun  7 08:54:59 2012
From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2012 06:54:59 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] SQL Server Encrypted field
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So do you want to discuss how to do this using the built in SQL Server
features or through encryption/decription at the UI level?

Charlotte Foust
On Wed, Jun 6, 2012 at 10:08 AM, jwcolby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>wrote:

> I need to store sensitive data in specific fields of specific tables.  I
> find things like:
>
> http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-**us/library/ms179331.aspx<http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms179331.aspx>
>
>
>
> Which discusses creating a certificate etc.  Hmm... what happens if the
> database is backed up?  What happens if I need to move the database?
>
> And of course my favorite SQL guy (Pinal Dave):
>
> http://blog.sqlauthority.com/**2009/04/28/sql-server-**
> introduction-to-sql-server-**encryption-and-symmetric-key-**
> encryption-tutorial-with-**script/<http://blog.sqlauthority.com/2009/04/28/sql-server-introduction-to-sql-server-encryption-and-symmetric-key-encryption-tutorial-with-script/>
>
>
>
> In the end however what I want do (in this case) is to allow specific
> information to be encrypted / decrypted on a user specific basis, i.e.
> based on something user specific.
>
> Assume that users need to store their own Email Address, username and
> password in my database and then use that to send email "on their behalf"
> from my system.  The database is used for generating Community Volunteer
> passes, and when the pass is created it is printed to PDF, attached to an
> email and mailed to one or more email address at a specific prison.  I have
> created a new GMail account with a username and password but it would be
> nice to allow each user to enter their own email address / username /
> password to send from so that if there are issues and the prison replies to
> the email, it gets back to them directly.  Using my current system it would
> come back to my general address.  Of course I can do a "do not respond to
> this email" kind of thing but I have already been asked if they can get
> responses.
>
> Obviously if I am going to store a user's email address, username and
> password it has to be encrypted, but furthermore it has to be retrievable
> only by that user.
>
> --
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
>
> Reality is what refuses to go away
> when you do not believe in it
>
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>
>
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>
>
>

From charlotte.foust at gmail.com  Thu Jun  7 08:57:37 2012
From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2012 06:57:37 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Access 2010 Package Deployment error
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Message-ID: <CAH+Met_vsGuLsqU4DEs155_jmM8t9cv51Re5xmaNBj2p3C5fJA@mail.gmail.com>

Andy,

You're in the twilight zone that long ago led most of us to abandon the
Microsoft-built options and use Wise or InstallShield to package Access
apps (yes, even in A97).  You have my deepest sympathy. ;-)

Charlotte Foust

On Thu, Jun 7, 2012 at 6:51 AM, Andrew Lacey <andy at minstersystems.co.uk>wrote:

> Jeez, the Access gods are really out to get me on this project.
>
> Downloaded A2010 Runtime. Running A2010 as admin and doing the Package
> Solution
> wizard. All goes fine until the end of the 4th screen (General Properties,
> Feature Information, etc). Click OK, save the settings and !^&*(*&*@@ I
> get "An
> unexpected error has occurred". Really, really helpful MS. I assume if it
> was
> expected you wouldn't have errored!!!
>
> Has anyone had this and have a solution? I've Googled and found a Hotfix
> for
> this happenning when additional files are added but a) I'm not adding any
> and b)
> I tried it anyway and it hasn't helped. I've varied the parameters you
> type in
> and still get it every time.
>
> Stymied at every turn here. I want go back to my lovely old A97 :-(
>
> Andy
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>
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>
>
>

From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Thu Jun  7 09:16:05 2012
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andrew Lacey)
Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2012 15:16:05 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [AccessD] Access 2010 Package Deployment error
In-Reply-To: <CAH+Met_vsGuLsqU4DEs155_jmM8t9cv51Re5xmaNBj2p3C5fJA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <211222755.5689.1339058184168.JavaMail.open-xchange@email.1and1.co.uk>
	<4FD08688.1000801@colbyconsulting.com>
	<CACbV_8OqoKyTBFghxesxuAAcGa4xsdCN1GW_r=tnEY+ABYdseA@mail.gmail.com>
	<224453814.20098.1339073536535.JavaMail.open-xchange@email.1and1.co.uk>
	<CACbV_8MB+L5VkwetdM1Bta-ifFmjVKr4Yoy19ZW-t7btxR7PHw@mail.gmail.com>
	<938616515.22488.1339076184503.JavaMail.open-xchange@email.1and1.co.uk>
	<519197466.23262.1339077064788.JavaMail.open-xchange@email.1and1.co.uk>
	<CAH+Met_vsGuLsqU4DEs155_jmM8t9cv51Re5xmaNBj2p3C5fJA@mail.gmail.com>
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Hi Charlotte

I appreciate your kind words. I think I'll go and find a corner in a darkened
room, pull a blanket over me and go to sleep. When I wake up it'll perhasp all
have been a bad dream.

I know MS provide the tools with which I earn a living but aaaargghh anyway.

Andy


On 07 June 2012 at 14:57 Charlotte Foust <charlotte.foust at gmail.com> wrote:

> Andy,
>
> You're in the twilight zone that long ago led most of us to abandon the
> Microsoft-built options and use Wise or InstallShield to package Access
> apps (yes, even in A97).  You have my deepest sympathy. ;-)
>
> Charlotte Foust
>
> On Thu, Jun 7, 2012 at 6:51 AM, Andrew Lacey <andy at minstersystems.co.uk>wrote:
>
> > Jeez, the Access gods are really out to get me on this project.
> >
> > Downloaded A2010 Runtime. Running A2010 as admin and doing the Package
> > Solution
> > wizard. All goes fine until the end of the 4th screen (General Properties,
> > Feature Information, etc). Click OK, save the settings and !^&*(*&*@@ I
> > get "An
> > unexpected error has occurred". Really, really helpful MS. I assume if it
> > was
> > expected you wouldn't have errored!!!
> >
> > Has anyone had this and have a solution? I've Googled and found a Hotfix
> > for
> > this happenning when additional files are added but a) I'm not adding any
> > and b)
> > I tried it anyway and it hasn't helped. I've varied the parameters you
> > type in
> > and still get it every time.
> >
> > Stymied at every turn here. I want go back to my lovely old A97 :-(
> >
> > Andy
> > --
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> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> >
> >
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> >
> >
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From BradM at blackforestltd.com  Thu Jun  7 15:54:49 2012
From: BradM at blackforestltd.com (Brad Marks)
Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2012 15:54:49 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Need to Push a Field from a Report Detail Line to the
	Windows Clipboard
References: <211222755.5689.1339058184168.JavaMail.open-xchange@email.1and1.co.uk><4FD08688.1000801@colbyconsulting.com><CACbV_8OqoKyTBFghxesxuAAcGa4xsdCN1GW_r=tnEY+ABYdseA@mail.gmail.com><224453814.20098.1339073536535.JavaMail.open-xchange@email.1and1.co.uk><CACbV_8MB+L5VkwetdM1Bta-ifFmjVKr4Yoy19ZW-t7btxR7PHw@mail.gmail.com><938616515.22488.1339076184503.JavaMail.open-xchange@email.1and1.co.uk><519197466.23262.1339077064788.JavaMail.open-xchange@email.1and1.co.uk><CAH+Met_vsGuLsqU4DEs155_jmM8t9cv51Re5xmaNBj2p3C5fJA@mail.gmail.com>
	<581925976.24602.1339078565445.JavaMail.open-xchange@email.1and1.co.uk>
Message-ID: <E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C5015E5551@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>

All,

Our users would like to have a feature on an Access 2007 report to push
data from one of the report's detail lines to the Windows Clipboard
(Report View).

I have experimented with other fields on the report that are not on the
detail lines.  These work nicely with something like this

~~~
Me!Field1.SetFocus
 DoCmd.RunCommand acCmdCopy 
~~~

I can't seem to find a way to do this with a field on the detail line of
the report, however.

Is this possible?

Thanks
Brad


From BradM at blackforestltd.com  Thu Jun  7 19:06:00 2012
From: BradM at blackforestltd.com (Brad Marks)
Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2012 19:06:00 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Need to Push a Field from a Report Detail Line to
	theWindows Clipboard
References: <211222755.5689.1339058184168.JavaMail.open-xchange@email.1and1.co.uk><4FD08688.1000801@colbyconsulting.com><CACbV_8OqoKyTBFghxesxuAAcGa4xsdCN1GW_r=tnEY+ABYdseA@mail.gmail.com><224453814.20098.1339073536535.JavaMail.open-xchange@email.1and1.co.uk><CACbV_8MB+L5VkwetdM1Bta-ifFmjVKr4Yoy19ZW-t7btxR7PHw@mail.gmail.com><938616515.22488.1339076184503.JavaMail.open-xchange@email.1and1.co.uk><519197466.23262.1339077064788.JavaMail.open-xchange@email.1and1.co.uk><CAH+Met_vsGuLsqU4DEs155_jmM8t9cv51Re5xmaNBj2p3C5fJA@mail.gmail.com><581925976.24602.1339078565445.JavaMail.open-xchange@email.1and1.co.uk>
	<E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C5015E5551@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
Message-ID: <E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C59FEB61@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>

All,

I think I have figured out a solution.  I set up a new text box in the report header.
A Click on the field in the detail line stows the value of this field in the new text box.
Next focus is set to the new text box which is then followed by the "DoCmd.RunCommand acCmdCopy"

Brad


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com on behalf of Brad Marks
Sent: Thu 6/7/2012 3:54 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Need to Push a Field from a Report Detail Line to theWindows Clipboard
 
All,

Our users would like to have a feature on an Access 2007 report to push
data from one of the report's detail lines to the Windows Clipboard
(Report View).

I have experimented with other fields on the report that are not on the
detail lines.  These work nicely with something like this

~~~
Me!Field1.SetFocus
 DoCmd.RunCommand acCmdCopy 
~~~

I can't seem to find a way to do this with a field on the detail line of
the report, however.

Is this possible?

Thanks
Brad

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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Jun  7 23:53:51 2012
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2012 00:53:51 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] SQL Server Encrypted field
In-Reply-To: <CAH+Met8OP7URrb=P=61tQ+SRGmjp5uQETKD0+iPgBdN-xoBaiw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4FCF8E9A.8060201@colbyconsulting.com>
	<CAH+Met8OP7URrb=P=61tQ+SRGmjp5uQETKD0+iPgBdN-xoBaiw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4FD1855F.1020507@colbyconsulting.com>

I just want to discuss ideas of how to do this at all.  The built-in SQL Server methods appear to be 
aimed at entire tables or columns.  Obviously for what I want to do I need to encrypt each field of 
a specific column.  Fairly different.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 6/7/2012 9:54 AM, Charlotte Foust wrote:
> So do you want to discuss how to do this using the built in SQL Server
> features or through encryption/decription at the UI level?
>
> Charlotte Foust
> On Wed, Jun 6, 2012 at 10:08 AM, jwcolby<jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>wrote:
>
>> I need to store sensitive data in specific fields of specific tables.  I
>> find things like:
>>
>> http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-**us/library/ms179331.aspx<http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms179331.aspx>
>>
>>
>>
>> Which discusses creating a certificate etc.  Hmm... what happens if the
>> database is backed up?  What happens if I need to move the database?
>>
>> And of course my favorite SQL guy (Pinal Dave):
>>
>> http://blog.sqlauthority.com/**2009/04/28/sql-server-**
>> introduction-to-sql-server-**encryption-and-symmetric-key-**
>> encryption-tutorial-with-**script/<http://blog.sqlauthority.com/2009/04/28/sql-server-introduction-to-sql-server-encryption-and-symmetric-key-encryption-tutorial-with-script/>
>>
>>
>>
>> In the end however what I want do (in this case) is to allow specific
>> information to be encrypted / decrypted on a user specific basis, i.e.
>> based on something user specific.
>>
>> Assume that users need to store their own Email Address, username and
>> password in my database and then use that to send email "on their behalf"
>> from my system.  The database is used for generating Community Volunteer
>> passes, and when the pass is created it is printed to PDF, attached to an
>> email and mailed to one or more email address at a specific prison.  I have
>> created a new GMail account with a username and password but it would be
>> nice to allow each user to enter their own email address / username /
>> password to send from so that if there are issues and the prison replies to
>> the email, it gets back to them directly.  Using my current system it would
>> come back to my general address.  Of course I can do a "do not respond to
>> this email" kind of thing but I have already been asked if they can get
>> responses.
>>
>> Obviously if I am going to store a user's email address, username and
>> password it has to be encrypted, but furthermore it has to be retrievable
>> only by that user.
>>
>> --
>> John W. Colby
>> Colby Consulting
>>
>> Reality is what refuses to go away
>> when you do not believe in it
>>
>> --
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>>
>>
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>>
>>
>>


From jimdettman at verizon.net  Fri Jun  8 06:50:06 2012
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2012 07:50:06 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] SQL Server Encrypted field
In-Reply-To: <4FD1855F.1020507@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4FCF8E9A.8060201@colbyconsulting.com>
	<CAH+Met8OP7URrb=P=61tQ+SRGmjp5uQETKD0+iPgBdN-xoBaiw@mail.gmail.com>
	<4FD1855F.1020507@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <055D716F84704A6F92CBCCB2E2065E5D@XPS>


 I don't understand why you wouldn't want to do an entire column and just be
done with it.

 Encrypting on a record by record basis for one column as needed seems more
trouble then it's worth.

Jim. 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Friday, June 08, 2012 12:54 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] SQL Server Encrypted field

I just want to discuss ideas of how to do this at all.  The built-in SQL
Server methods appear to be 
aimed at entire tables or columns.  Obviously for what I want to do I need
to encrypt each field of 
a specific column.  Fairly different.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 6/7/2012 9:54 AM, Charlotte Foust wrote:
> So do you want to discuss how to do this using the built in SQL Server
> features or through encryption/decription at the UI level?
>
> Charlotte Foust
> On Wed, Jun 6, 2012 at 10:08 AM,
jwcolby<jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>wrote:
>
>> I need to store sensitive data in specific fields of specific tables.  I
>> find things like:
>>
>>
http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-**us/library/ms179331.aspx<http://msdn.microsof
t.com/en-us/library/ms179331.aspx>
>>
>>
>>
>> Which discusses creating a certificate etc.  Hmm... what happens if the
>> database is backed up?  What happens if I need to move the database?
>>
>> And of course my favorite SQL guy (Pinal Dave):
>>
>> http://blog.sqlauthority.com/**2009/04/28/sql-server-**
>> introduction-to-sql-server-**encryption-and-symmetric-key-**
>>
encryption-tutorial-with-**script/<http://blog.sqlauthority.com/2009/04/28/s
ql-server-introduction-to-sql-server-encryption-and-symmetric-key-encryption
-tutorial-with-script/>
>>
>>
>>
>> In the end however what I want do (in this case) is to allow specific
>> information to be encrypted / decrypted on a user specific basis, i.e.
>> based on something user specific.
>>
>> Assume that users need to store their own Email Address, username and
>> password in my database and then use that to send email "on their behalf"
>> from my system.  The database is used for generating Community Volunteer
>> passes, and when the pass is created it is printed to PDF, attached to an
>> email and mailed to one or more email address at a specific prison.  I
have
>> created a new GMail account with a username and password but it would be
>> nice to allow each user to enter their own email address / username /
>> password to send from so that if there are issues and the prison replies
to
>> the email, it gets back to them directly.  Using my current system it
would
>> come back to my general address.  Of course I can do a "do not respond to
>> this email" kind of thing but I have already been asked if they can get
>> responses.
>>
>> Obviously if I am going to store a user's email address, username and
>> password it has to be encrypted, but furthermore it has to be retrievable
>> only by that user.
>>
>> --
>> John W. Colby
>> Colby Consulting
>>
>> Reality is what refuses to go away
>> when you do not believe in it
>>
>> --
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>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>>
http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/accessd<http://databaseadviso
rs.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd>
>>
>>
>> Website:
http://www.databaseadvisors.**com<http://www.databaseadvisors.com>
>>
>>
>>

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From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk  Fri Jun  8 06:58:32 2012
From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid)
Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2012 12:58:32 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] SQL Server Encrypted field
In-Reply-To: <055D716F84704A6F92CBCCB2E2065E5D@XPS>
References: <4FCF8E9A.8060201@colbyconsulting.com>
	<CAH+Met8OP7URrb=P=61tQ+SRGmjp5uQETKD0+iPgBdN-xoBaiw@mail.gmail.com>
	<4FD1855F.1020507@colbyconsulting.com>
	<055D716F84704A6F92CBCCB2E2065E5D@XPS>
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John

Just reading this on the web

The business logic which I used is that, when a user is added through my web application, on form submit event, I first get the user's information from the form fields, encrypt the employee's password and then submit the entire information into the user registration table. The password information is encrypted in the user registration table. Now, when the user enter into the application, provides userid and password, I just encrypt the user provided password and match it with the employee table's password, so I don't need to decrypt the database stored password again and again.




-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: 08 June 2012 12:50
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] SQL Server Encrypted field


 I don't understand why you wouldn't want to do an entire column and just be done with it.

 Encrypting on a record by record basis for one column as needed seems more trouble then it's worth.

Jim. 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Friday, June 08, 2012 12:54 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] SQL Server Encrypted field

I just want to discuss ideas of how to do this at all.  The built-in SQL Server methods appear to be aimed at entire tables or columns.  Obviously for what I want to do I need to encrypt each field of a specific column.  Fairly different.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 6/7/2012 9:54 AM, Charlotte Foust wrote:
> So do you want to discuss how to do this using the built in SQL Server 
> features or through encryption/decription at the UI level?
>
> Charlotte Foust
> On Wed, Jun 6, 2012 at 10:08 AM,
jwcolby<jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>wrote:
>
>> I need to store sensitive data in specific fields of specific tables.  
>> I find things like:
>>
>>
http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-**us/library/ms179331.aspx<http://msdn.microsof
t.com/en-us/library/ms179331.aspx>
>>
>>
>>
>> Which discusses creating a certificate etc.  Hmm... what happens if 
>> the database is backed up?  What happens if I need to move the database?
>>
>> And of course my favorite SQL guy (Pinal Dave):
>>
>> http://blog.sqlauthority.com/**2009/04/28/sql-server-**
>> introduction-to-sql-server-**encryption-and-symmetric-key-**
>>
encryption-tutorial-with-**script/<http://blog.sqlauthority.com/2009/04/28/s
ql-server-introduction-to-sql-server-encryption-and-symmetric-key-encryption
-tutorial-with-script/>
>>
>>
>>
>> In the end however what I want do (in this case) is to allow specific 
>> information to be encrypted / decrypted on a user specific basis, i.e.
>> based on something user specific.
>>
>> Assume that users need to store their own Email Address, username and 
>> password in my database and then use that to send email "on their behalf"
>> from my system.  The database is used for generating Community 
>> Volunteer passes, and when the pass is created it is printed to PDF, 
>> attached to an email and mailed to one or more email address at a 
>> specific prison.  I
have
>> created a new GMail account with a username and password but it would 
>> be nice to allow each user to enter their own email address / 
>> username / password to send from so that if there are issues and the 
>> prison replies
to
>> the email, it gets back to them directly.  Using my current system it
would
>> come back to my general address.  Of course I can do a "do not 
>> respond to this email" kind of thing but I have already been asked if 
>> they can get responses.
>>
>> Obviously if I am going to store a user's email address, username and 
>> password it has to be encrypted, but furthermore it has to be 
>> retrievable only by that user.
>>
>> --
>> John W. Colby
>> Colby Consulting
>>
>> Reality is what refuses to go away
>> when you do not believe in it
>>
>> --
>> AccessD mailing list
>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>>
http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/accessd<http://databaseadviso
rs.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd>
>>
>>
>> Website:
http://www.databaseadvisors.**com<http://www.databaseadvisors.com>
>>
>>
>>

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From jm.hwsn at gmail.com  Fri Jun  8 09:14:54 2012
From: jm.hwsn at gmail.com (Jim Hewson)
Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2012 09:14:54 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Problem with printing multiple reports
Message-ID: <CACbV_8NdoQd0O15FLgJATHdzNimLGPac9T1rP+9yUAZFuxzwqg@mail.gmail.com>

Warning - this is rather long.

Windows 7, Access 2007 -- This database has always been in A2007 - so it
was never upgraded to a newer version.

What I'm trying to do is print several reports using a button on a pop up
(modal) form.  The form is opened from a button on another form.  Behind
that form is a master form that stores pertinent data for doing several
things and is kept open during the entire session.

The database is used as a survey questionnaire.  The researcher can can
change questions (text, responses, order, question type, etc.), assign
questions to sections (max 25), assign variables and question coding .
Sections can be ordered in any way the researcher deems necessary.

The reason I want to print multiple reports is that each section is a
separate report and I want to print the entire questionnaire instead of
printing one section at a time.  The current questionnaire has 18 sections
and therefore has 18 reports to be printed.  All reports have sub-reports.
Some have sub or sub-sub-reports - depending on the section critieria.

The print questionnaire form works -- IF it is opened from the navigation
pane.  If it is opened by the button on the form - it crashes Access and
closes the file. The message I get is "Microsoft Office Access has stopped
working  Window can try to recover your information and restart the
program"  My one choice is to "Restart the program".  It prints the first
section.

The original code had a DAO recordset that used a query as a record
source.  With the recordset, I had a Do While ... Loop to find the specific
section and report that needed to be printed in order.  I used a DLookup
function to find the report needed and then a select Case to find the
specific report name.  The where clause was in the Loop because it changed
for each report.  At the end just before the Loop, I had a rsPrint.MoveNext.

It appeared that the .MoveNext was the issue because that's where it would
crash.

So... I read somewhere that maybe the .MoveNext might be culprit and that
maybe changing the order of events might work... it didn't.  I also read
somewhere that maybe I need to put in .MoveFirst and .MoveLast at the
beginning... didn't work... either before the With rsPrint statement or
after the statement and before the Loop... didn't work.  On this forum, I
read that maybe I need to validate .BOF = False Or .EOF = False in an If
statement and them go on with the Loop.... didn't work.

I read that maybe the entire Loop thing was the problem... or even the
Select Case was the issue... or the domain funtions... eliminated them...
didn't work.

I redid the form... it had hidden fields which populated on loading that
had the criteria for the where clause and the specific report needed.  So
all I needed to do was call the field for the Where clause and the
report... didn't work.

I thought maybe it might be the pop up or modal status was the issue...
nope, still crashed.

After everything I've done.... I finally come to conclusion that it's
crashing just after DoCmd.OpenReport statement... the first report prints
but it ALWAYS crashes and doesn't get to the next line.

Where can I go from here?  Am I stuck telling my users that they can only
print one section at a time?

Thanks in advance for any insight you have.

Jim

From jm.hwsn at gmail.com  Fri Jun  8 09:36:46 2012
From: jm.hwsn at gmail.com (Jim Hewson)
Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2012 09:36:46 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Problem with printing multiple reports
In-Reply-To: <CACbV_8NdoQd0O15FLgJATHdzNimLGPac9T1rP+9yUAZFuxzwqg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CACbV_8NdoQd0O15FLgJATHdzNimLGPac9T1rP+9yUAZFuxzwqg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CACbV_8PvS03vZTGDyfhbEgK3x+NsArVgkz7Pf-6FV51b8UDbnA@mail.gmail.com>

Well - how about that!
I think I found the problem...
Kb 927536 says it's a "feature"... "Access 2007 may close unexpectedly when
you try to change the Control Source property for a control that is on a
report or on a form in Layout view"
That's exactly what I'm trying to do... and if the report is the same one
that will be reprinted for the second time with a different control
source... Access does indeed crash.
The workaround according to the KB.... "change the *Control
Source*property for a control when the report or the form is in Design
view."
How is that helpful?

Gotta love it...

Sorry - I wasted your time.

Jim

On Fri, Jun 8, 2012 at 9:14 AM, Jim Hewson <jm.hwsn at gmail.com> wrote:

> Warning - this is rather long.
>
> Windows 7, Access 2007 -- This database has always been in A2007 - so it
> was never upgraded to a newer version.
>
> What I'm trying to do is print several reports using a button on a pop up
> (modal) form.  The form is opened from a button on another form.  Behind
> that form is a master form that stores pertinent data for doing several
> things and is kept open during the entire session.
>
> The database is used as a survey questionnaire.  The researcher can can
> change questions (text, responses, order, question type, etc.), assign
> questions to sections (max 25), assign variables and question coding .
> Sections can be ordered in any way the researcher deems necessary.
>
> The reason I want to print multiple reports is that each section is a
> separate report and I want to print the entire questionnaire instead of
> printing one section at a time.  The current questionnaire has 18 sections
> and therefore has 18 reports to be printed.  All reports have sub-reports.
> Some have sub or sub-sub-reports - depending on the section critieria.
>
> The print questionnaire form works -- IF it is opened from the navigation
> pane.  If it is opened by the button on the form - it crashes Access and
> closes the file. The message I get is "Microsoft Office Access has stopped
> working  Window can try to recover your information and restart the
> program"  My one choice is to "Restart the program".  It prints the first
> section.
>
> The original code had a DAO recordset that used a query as a record
> source.  With the recordset, I had a Do While ... Loop to find the specific
> section and report that needed to be printed in order.  I used a DLookup
> function to find the report needed and then a select Case to find the
> specific report name.  The where clause was in the Loop because it changed
> for each report.  At the end just before the Loop, I had a rsPrint.MoveNext.
>
> It appeared that the .MoveNext was the issue because that's where it would
> crash.
>
> So... I read somewhere that maybe the .MoveNext might be culprit and that
> maybe changing the order of events might work... it didn't.  I also read
> somewhere that maybe I need to put in .MoveFirst and .MoveLast at the
> beginning... didn't work... either before the With rsPrint statement or
> after the statement and before the Loop... didn't work.  On this forum, I
> read that maybe I need to validate .BOF = False Or .EOF = False in an If
> statement and them go on with the Loop.... didn't work.
>
> I read that maybe the entire Loop thing was the problem... or even the
> Select Case was the issue... or the domain funtions... eliminated them...
> didn't work.
>
> I redid the form... it had hidden fields which populated on loading that
> had the criteria for the where clause and the specific report needed.  So
> all I needed to do was call the field for the Where clause and the
> report... didn't work.
>
> I thought maybe it might be the pop up or modal status was the issue...
> nope, still crashed.
>
> After everything I've done.... I finally come to conclusion that it's
> crashing just after DoCmd.OpenReport statement... the first report prints
> but it ALWAYS crashes and doesn't get to the next line.
>
> Where can I go from here?  Am I stuck telling my users that they can only
> print one section at a time?
>
> Thanks in advance for any insight you have.
>
> Jim
>
>

From jimdettman at verizon.net  Fri Jun  8 09:48:53 2012
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2012 10:48:53 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Problem with printing multiple reports
In-Reply-To: <CACbV_8PvS03vZTGDyfhbEgK3x+NsArVgkz7Pf-6FV51b8UDbnA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CACbV_8NdoQd0O15FLgJATHdzNimLGPac9T1rP+9yUAZFuxzwqg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CACbV_8PvS03vZTGDyfhbEgK3x+NsArVgkz7Pf-6FV51b8UDbnA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BC4849627E464917BA9288177FE10551@XPS>

<<Kb 927536 says it's a "feature"... >>

 I don't see where it referred to that problem as "a feature".

 All it does is confirm that it is a problem, and says don't do it.

Jim.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Hewson
Sent: Friday, June 08, 2012 10:37 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Problem with printing multiple reports

Well - how about that!
I think I found the problem...
Kb 927536 says it's a "feature"... "Access 2007 may close unexpectedly when
you try to change the Control Source property for a control that is on a
report or on a form in Layout view"
That's exactly what I'm trying to do... and if the report is the same one
that will be reprinted for the second time with a different control
source... Access does indeed crash.
The workaround according to the KB.... "change the *Control
Source*property for a control when the report or the form is in Design
view."
How is that helpful?

Gotta love it...

Sorry - I wasted your time.

Jim

On Fri, Jun 8, 2012 at 9:14 AM, Jim Hewson <jm.hwsn at gmail.com> wrote:

> Warning - this is rather long.
>
> Windows 7, Access 2007 -- This database has always been in A2007 - so it
> was never upgraded to a newer version.
>
> What I'm trying to do is print several reports using a button on a pop up
> (modal) form.  The form is opened from a button on another form.  Behind
> that form is a master form that stores pertinent data for doing several
> things and is kept open during the entire session.
>
> The database is used as a survey questionnaire.  The researcher can can
> change questions (text, responses, order, question type, etc.), assign
> questions to sections (max 25), assign variables and question coding .
> Sections can be ordered in any way the researcher deems necessary.
>
> The reason I want to print multiple reports is that each section is a
> separate report and I want to print the entire questionnaire instead of
> printing one section at a time.  The current questionnaire has 18 sections
> and therefore has 18 reports to be printed.  All reports have sub-reports.
> Some have sub or sub-sub-reports - depending on the section critieria.
>
> The print questionnaire form works -- IF it is opened from the navigation
> pane.  If it is opened by the button on the form - it crashes Access and
> closes the file. The message I get is "Microsoft Office Access has stopped
> working  Window can try to recover your information and restart the
> program"  My one choice is to "Restart the program".  It prints the first
> section.
>
> The original code had a DAO recordset that used a query as a record
> source.  With the recordset, I had a Do While ... Loop to find the
specific
> section and report that needed to be printed in order.  I used a DLookup
> function to find the report needed and then a select Case to find the
> specific report name.  The where clause was in the Loop because it changed
> for each report.  At the end just before the Loop, I had a
rsPrint.MoveNext.
>
> It appeared that the .MoveNext was the issue because that's where it would
> crash.
>
> So... I read somewhere that maybe the .MoveNext might be culprit and that
> maybe changing the order of events might work... it didn't.  I also read
> somewhere that maybe I need to put in .MoveFirst and .MoveLast at the
> beginning... didn't work... either before the With rsPrint statement or
> after the statement and before the Loop... didn't work.  On this forum, I
> read that maybe I need to validate .BOF = False Or .EOF = False in an If
> statement and them go on with the Loop.... didn't work.
>
> I read that maybe the entire Loop thing was the problem... or even the
> Select Case was the issue... or the domain funtions... eliminated them...
> didn't work.
>
> I redid the form... it had hidden fields which populated on loading that
> had the criteria for the where clause and the specific report needed.  So
> all I needed to do was call the field for the Where clause and the
> report... didn't work.
>
> I thought maybe it might be the pop up or modal status was the issue...
> nope, still crashed.
>
> After everything I've done.... I finally come to conclusion that it's
> crashing just after DoCmd.OpenReport statement... the first report prints
> but it ALWAYS crashes and doesn't get to the next line.
>
> Where can I go from here?  Am I stuck telling my users that they can only
> print one section at a time?
>
> Thanks in advance for any insight you have.
>
> Jim
>
>
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From jm.hwsn at gmail.com  Fri Jun  8 09:56:40 2012
From: jm.hwsn at gmail.com (Jim Hewson)
Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2012 09:56:40 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Problem with printing multiple reports
In-Reply-To: <BC4849627E464917BA9288177FE10551@XPS>
References: <CACbV_8NdoQd0O15FLgJATHdzNimLGPac9T1rP+9yUAZFuxzwqg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CACbV_8PvS03vZTGDyfhbEgK3x+NsArVgkz7Pf-6FV51b8UDbnA@mail.gmail.com>
	<BC4849627E464917BA9288177FE10551@XPS>
Message-ID: <CACbV_8OkBfc1ou=BWvLrhvDi0tJ+x9kwBLSt2iPNQQbiUYeXgQ@mail.gmail.com>

Sorry, I was being facetious.

Jim
On Fri, Jun 8, 2012 at 9:48 AM, Jim Dettman <jimdettman at verizon.net> wrote:

> <<Kb 927536 says it's a "feature"... >>
>
>  I don't see where it referred to that problem as "a feature".
>
>  All it does is confirm that it is a problem, and says don't do it.
>
> Jim.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Hewson
> Sent: Friday, June 08, 2012 10:37 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Problem with printing multiple reports
>
> Well - how about that!
> I think I found the problem...
> Kb 927536 says it's a "feature"... "Access 2007 may close unexpectedly when
> you try to change the Control Source property for a control that is on a
> report or on a form in Layout view"
> That's exactly what I'm trying to do... and if the report is the same one
> that will be reprinted for the second time with a different control
> source... Access does indeed crash.
> The workaround according to the KB.... "change the *Control
> Source*property for a control when the report or the form is in Design
> view."
> How is that helpful?
>
> Gotta love it...
>
> Sorry - I wasted your time.
>
> Jim
>
> On Fri, Jun 8, 2012 at 9:14 AM, Jim Hewson <jm.hwsn at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Warning - this is rather long.
> >
> > Windows 7, Access 2007 -- This database has always been in A2007 - so it
> > was never upgraded to a newer version.
> >
> > What I'm trying to do is print several reports using a button on a pop up
> > (modal) form.  The form is opened from a button on another form.  Behind
> > that form is a master form that stores pertinent data for doing several
> > things and is kept open during the entire session.
> >
> > The database is used as a survey questionnaire.  The researcher can can
> > change questions (text, responses, order, question type, etc.), assign
> > questions to sections (max 25), assign variables and question coding .
> > Sections can be ordered in any way the researcher deems necessary.
> >
> > The reason I want to print multiple reports is that each section is a
> > separate report and I want to print the entire questionnaire instead of
> > printing one section at a time.  The current questionnaire has 18
> sections
> > and therefore has 18 reports to be printed.  All reports have
> sub-reports.
> > Some have sub or sub-sub-reports - depending on the section critieria.
> >
> > The print questionnaire form works -- IF it is opened from the navigation
> > pane.  If it is opened by the button on the form - it crashes Access and
> > closes the file. The message I get is "Microsoft Office Access has
> stopped
> > working  Window can try to recover your information and restart the
> > program"  My one choice is to "Restart the program".  It prints the first
> > section.
> >
> > The original code had a DAO recordset that used a query as a record
> > source.  With the recordset, I had a Do While ... Loop to find the
> specific
> > section and report that needed to be printed in order.  I used a DLookup
> > function to find the report needed and then a select Case to find the
> > specific report name.  The where clause was in the Loop because it
> changed
> > for each report.  At the end just before the Loop, I had a
> rsPrint.MoveNext.
> >
> > It appeared that the .MoveNext was the issue because that's where it
> would
> > crash.
> >
> > So... I read somewhere that maybe the .MoveNext might be culprit and that
> > maybe changing the order of events might work... it didn't.  I also read
> > somewhere that maybe I need to put in .MoveFirst and .MoveLast at the
> > beginning... didn't work... either before the With rsPrint statement or
> > after the statement and before the Loop... didn't work.  On this forum, I
> > read that maybe I need to validate .BOF = False Or .EOF = False in an If
> > statement and them go on with the Loop.... didn't work.
> >
> > I read that maybe the entire Loop thing was the problem... or even the
> > Select Case was the issue... or the domain funtions... eliminated them...
> > didn't work.
> >
> > I redid the form... it had hidden fields which populated on loading that
> > had the criteria for the where clause and the specific report needed.  So
> > all I needed to do was call the field for the Where clause and the
> > report... didn't work.
> >
> > I thought maybe it might be the pop up or modal status was the issue...
> > nope, still crashed.
> >
> > After everything I've done.... I finally come to conclusion that it's
> > crashing just after DoCmd.OpenReport statement... the first report prints
> > but it ALWAYS crashes and doesn't get to the next line.
> >
> > Where can I go from here?  Am I stuck telling my users that they can only
> > print one section at a time?
> >
> > Thanks in advance for any insight you have.
> >
> > Jim
> >
> >
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Fri Jun  8 10:34:31 2012
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2012 08:34:31 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Problem with printing multiple reports
In-Reply-To: <CACbV_8NdoQd0O15FLgJATHdzNimLGPac9T1rP+9yUAZFuxzwqg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CACbV_8NdoQd0O15FLgJATHdzNimLGPac9T1rP+9yUAZFuxzwqg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <DA7897DE1C4D49A788D46016101748A9@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Hi Jim:

It sounds very complex. 

I do not have an answer specifically to your situation as there is no way to
guess at all the details without the same report sitting right in front of
me.

That said, I have ran into some similarly complex reporting issues and have
found a few of methods which have always worked reliably.

1. I always run complex reports from calls to external code through the
Report_Open event. In the external code the report source data can be easily
modified then printed, then modified again and printed again etc.

2. Sometimes another report can be run from the initial report within the
external code but it must be through the setting of a flag and running the
DoEvent command and then on to the next report.

3. Of course one report can be daisy-chained to another all under program
control within each report.

4. Another more risky report method is to turn off and on over-lapping,
hidden and unhidden section details. These reports will work fine but get
too tricky and the report may just crash and never be able to be edited
again.

5. I do not trust the DLookup command. It has done weird things in the past.
I always just make a call and run a query get the data needs. It is just
about as fast but never fails or returns invalid info. There are times when
there are multiple matches and it is beyond Dlookup to resolve.   

6. It that does not work you can always roll your own. Back in A97 days, I
hand coded a Access report. It was just about as pretty, just about as fast
but it was very versatile. The output was written in Postscript and pushed
directly to the printer port. For some clients, I do the same but instead I
write the report in HTML and you can do anything in this type of report even
add fancy fonts, calls to multiple data sources, add curves, circles, icons,
insert pictures and so on. ;-)

In summary I would suggest you take a look at the DoEvent command as it has
solved more than one issue for me.

Hope something here helps.

Jim  

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Hewson
Sent: Friday, June 08, 2012 7:15 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Problem with printing multiple reports

Warning - this is rather long.

Windows 7, Access 2007 -- This database has always been in A2007 - so it
was never upgraded to a newer version.

What I'm trying to do is print several reports using a button on a pop up
(modal) form.  The form is opened from a button on another form.  Behind
that form is a master form that stores pertinent data for doing several
things and is kept open during the entire session.

The database is used as a survey questionnaire.  The researcher can can
change questions (text, responses, order, question type, etc.), assign
questions to sections (max 25), assign variables and question coding .
Sections can be ordered in any way the researcher deems necessary.

The reason I want to print multiple reports is that each section is a
separate report and I want to print the entire questionnaire instead of
printing one section at a time.  The current questionnaire has 18 sections
and therefore has 18 reports to be printed.  All reports have sub-reports.
Some have sub or sub-sub-reports - depending on the section critieria.

The print questionnaire form works -- IF it is opened from the navigation
pane.  If it is opened by the button on the form - it crashes Access and
closes the file. The message I get is "Microsoft Office Access has stopped
working  Window can try to recover your information and restart the
program"  My one choice is to "Restart the program".  It prints the first
section.

The original code had a DAO recordset that used a query as a record
source.  With the recordset, I had a Do While ... Loop to find the specific
section and report that needed to be printed in order.  I used a DLookup
function to find the report needed and then a select Case to find the
specific report name.  The where clause was in the Loop because it changed
for each report.  At the end just before the Loop, I had a rsPrint.MoveNext.

It appeared that the .MoveNext was the issue because that's where it would
crash.

So... I read somewhere that maybe the .MoveNext might be culprit and that
maybe changing the order of events might work... it didn't.  I also read
somewhere that maybe I need to put in .MoveFirst and .MoveLast at the
beginning... didn't work... either before the With rsPrint statement or
after the statement and before the Loop... didn't work.  On this forum, I
read that maybe I need to validate .BOF = False Or .EOF = False in an If
statement and them go on with the Loop.... didn't work.

I read that maybe the entire Loop thing was the problem... or even the
Select Case was the issue... or the domain funtions... eliminated them...
didn't work.

I redid the form... it had hidden fields which populated on loading that
had the criteria for the where clause and the specific report needed.  So
all I needed to do was call the field for the Where clause and the
report... didn't work.

I thought maybe it might be the pop up or modal status was the issue...
nope, still crashed.

After everything I've done.... I finally come to conclusion that it's
crashing just after DoCmd.OpenReport statement... the first report prints
but it ALWAYS crashes and doesn't get to the next line.

Where can I go from here?  Am I stuck telling my users that they can only
print one section at a time?

Thanks in advance for any insight you have.

Jim
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Jun  8 10:32:07 2012
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2012 11:32:07 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] SQL Server Encrypted field
In-Reply-To: <631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB082957BD0D837FA@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk>
References: <4FCF8E9A.8060201@colbyconsulting.com>
	<CAH+Met8OP7URrb=P=61tQ+SRGmjp5uQETKD0+iPgBdN-xoBaiw@mail.gmail.com>
	<4FD1855F.1020507@colbyconsulting.com>
	<055D716F84704A6F92CBCCB2E2065E5D@XPS>
	<631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB082957BD0D837FA@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <4FD21AF7.7000303@colbyconsulting.com>

And that is the general concept of what I am trying to do.  The user's email password will probably 
be different from the account password for the user record in my database, and of course either 
password could change at any time, and independently of the other password.  It's almost as if I 
need to use the database password to encrypt the email password.  If the user changes either 
password then the email password needs to be encrypted with the then current database password.

My bigger problem is that to this point I never stored passwords at all, I just stored a hash.  That 
won't work here since I need the actual password to send the email.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 6/8/2012 7:58 AM, Martin Reid wrote:
> John
>
> Just reading this on the web
>
> The business logic which I used is that, when a user is added through my web application, on form submit event, I first get the user's information from the form fields, encrypt the employee's password and then submit the entire information into the user registration table. The password information is encrypted in the user registration table. Now, when the user enter into the application, provides userid and password, I just encrypt the user provided password and match it with the employee table's password, so I don't need to decrypt the database stored password again and again.
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
> Sent: 08 June 2012 12:50
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] SQL Server Encrypted field
>
>
>   I don't understand why you wouldn't want to do an entire column and just be done with it.
>
>   Encrypting on a record by record basis for one column as needed seems more trouble then it's worth.
>
> Jim.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
> Sent: Friday, June 08, 2012 12:54 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] SQL Server Encrypted field
>
> I just want to discuss ideas of how to do this at all.  The built-in SQL Server methods appear to be aimed at entire tables or columns.  Obviously for what I want to do I need to encrypt each field of a specific column.  Fairly different.
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
>
> Reality is what refuses to go away
> when you do not believe in it
>
> On 6/7/2012 9:54 AM, Charlotte Foust wrote:
>> So do you want to discuss how to do this using the built in SQL Server
>> features or through encryption/decription at the UI level?
>>
>> Charlotte Foust
>> On Wed, Jun 6, 2012 at 10:08 AM,
> jwcolby<jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>wrote:
>>
>>> I need to store sensitive data in specific fields of specific tables.
>>> I find things like:
>>>
>>>
> http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-**us/library/ms179331.aspx<http://msdn.microsof
> t.com/en-us/library/ms179331.aspx>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Which discusses creating a certificate etc.  Hmm... what happens if
>>> the database is backed up?  What happens if I need to move the database?
>>>
>>> And of course my favorite SQL guy (Pinal Dave):
>>>
>>> http://blog.sqlauthority.com/**2009/04/28/sql-server-**
>>> introduction-to-sql-server-**encryption-and-symmetric-key-**
>>>
> encryption-tutorial-with-**script/<http://blog.sqlauthority.com/2009/04/28/s
> ql-server-introduction-to-sql-server-encryption-and-symmetric-key-encryption
> -tutorial-with-script/>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> In the end however what I want do (in this case) is to allow specific
>>> information to be encrypted / decrypted on a user specific basis, i.e.
>>> based on something user specific.
>>>
>>> Assume that users need to store their own Email Address, username and
>>> password in my database and then use that to send email "on their behalf"
>>> from my system.  The database is used for generating Community
>>> Volunteer passes, and when the pass is created it is printed to PDF,
>>> attached to an email and mailed to one or more email address at a
>>> specific prison.  I
> have
>>> created a new GMail account with a username and password but it would
>>> be nice to allow each user to enter their own email address /
>>> username / password to send from so that if there are issues and the
>>> prison replies
> to
>>> the email, it gets back to them directly.  Using my current system it
> would
>>> come back to my general address.  Of course I can do a "do not
>>> respond to this email" kind of thing but I have already been asked if
>>> they can get responses.
>>>
>>> Obviously if I am going to store a user's email address, username and
>>> password it has to be encrypted, but furthermore it has to be
>>> retrievable only by that user.
>>>
>>> --
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>>> Colby Consulting
>>>
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>>> when you do not believe in it
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From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk  Fri Jun  8 10:51:09 2012
From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid)
Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2012 16:51:09 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] SQL Server Encrypted field
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John

My guys here say you should not be doing that. You should send an email with the appropriate reply to address etc set by your system.

There is no valid reason for you to store their email account passwords.

Martin

PS Don't shoot the messanger!!

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: 08 June 2012 16:32
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] SQL Server Encrypted field

And that is the general concept of what I am trying to do.  The user's email password will probably be different from the account password for the user record in my database, and of course either password could change at any time, and independently of the other password.  It's almost as if I need to use the database password to encrypt the email password.  If the user changes either password then the email password needs to be encrypted with the then current database password.

My bigger problem is that to this point I never stored passwords at all, I just stored a hash.  That won't work here since I need the actual password to send the email.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 6/8/2012 7:58 AM, Martin Reid wrote:
> John
>
> Just reading this on the web
>
> The business logic which I used is that, when a user is added through my web application, on form submit event, I first get the user's information from the form fields, encrypt the employee's password and then submit the entire information into the user registration table. The password information is encrypted in the user registration table. Now, when the user enter into the application, provides userid and password, I just encrypt the user provided password and match it with the employee table's password, so I don't need to decrypt the database stored password again and again.
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
> Sent: 08 June 2012 12:50
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] SQL Server Encrypted field
>
>
>   I don't understand why you wouldn't want to do an entire column and just be done with it.
>
>   Encrypting on a record by record basis for one column as needed seems more trouble then it's worth.
>
> Jim.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
> Sent: Friday, June 08, 2012 12:54 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] SQL Server Encrypted field
>
> I just want to discuss ideas of how to do this at all.  The built-in SQL Server methods appear to be aimed at entire tables or columns.  Obviously for what I want to do I need to encrypt each field of a specific column.  Fairly different.
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
>
> Reality is what refuses to go away
> when you do not believe in it
>
> On 6/7/2012 9:54 AM, Charlotte Foust wrote:
>> So do you want to discuss how to do this using the built in SQL 
>> Server features or through encryption/decription at the UI level?
>>
>> Charlotte Foust
>> On Wed, Jun 6, 2012 at 10:08 AM,
> jwcolby<jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>wrote:
>>
>>> I need to store sensitive data in specific fields of specific tables.
>>> I find things like:
>>>
>>>
> http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-**us/library/ms179331.aspx<http://msdn.mi
> crosof
> t.com/en-us/library/ms179331.aspx>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Which discusses creating a certificate etc.  Hmm... what happens if 
>>> the database is backed up?  What happens if I need to move the database?
>>>
>>> And of course my favorite SQL guy (Pinal Dave):
>>>
>>> http://blog.sqlauthority.com/**2009/04/28/sql-server-**
>>> introduction-to-sql-server-**encryption-and-symmetric-key-**
>>>
> encryption-tutorial-with-**script/<http://blog.sqlauthority.com/2009/0
> 4/28/s 
> ql-server-introduction-to-sql-server-encryption-and-symmetric-key-encr
> yption
> -tutorial-with-script/>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> In the end however what I want do (in this case) is to allow 
>>> specific information to be encrypted / decrypted on a user specific basis, i.e.
>>> based on something user specific.
>>>
>>> Assume that users need to store their own Email Address, username 
>>> and password in my database and then use that to send email "on their behalf"
>>> from my system.  The database is used for generating Community 
>>> Volunteer passes, and when the pass is created it is printed to PDF, 
>>> attached to an email and mailed to one or more email address at a 
>>> specific prison.  I
> have
>>> created a new GMail account with a username and password but it 
>>> would be nice to allow each user to enter their own email address / 
>>> username / password to send from so that if there are issues and the 
>>> prison replies
> to
>>> the email, it gets back to them directly.  Using my current system 
>>> it
> would
>>> come back to my general address.  Of course I can do a "do not 
>>> respond to this email" kind of thing but I have already been asked 
>>> if they can get responses.
>>>
>>> Obviously if I am going to store a user's email address, username 
>>> and password it has to be encrypted, but furthermore it has to be 
>>> retrievable only by that user.
>>>
>>> --
>>> John W. Colby
>>> Colby Consulting
>>>
>>> Reality is what refuses to go away
>>> when you do not believe in it
>>>
>>> --
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> rs.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd>
>>>
>>>
>>> Website:
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>>>
>>>
>>>
>
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From jimdettman at verizon.net  Fri Jun  8 12:28:05 2012
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2012 13:28:05 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] SQL Server Encrypted field
In-Reply-To: <4FD21AF7.7000303@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4FCF8E9A.8060201@colbyconsulting.com>
	<CAH+Met8OP7URrb=P=61tQ+SRGmjp5uQETKD0+iPgBdN-xoBaiw@mail.gmail.com>
	<4FD1855F.1020507@colbyconsulting.com>	<055D716F84704A6F92CBCCB2E2065E5D@XPS>
	<631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB082957BD0D837FA@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk>
	<4FD21AF7.7000303@colbyconsulting.com>
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John,

 May not be understanding the requirements correctly, but couldn't you do
what Craig's list does, which sends/receives e-mails through it's service on
the behalf of the user and makes them anonymous at the same time?

Jim. 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Friday, June 08, 2012 11:32 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] SQL Server Encrypted field

And that is the general concept of what I am trying to do.  The user's email
password will probably 
be different from the account password for the user record in my database,
and of course either 
password could change at any time, and independently of the other password.
It's almost as if I 
need to use the database password to encrypt the email password.  If the
user changes either 
password then the email password needs to be encrypted with the then current
database password.

My bigger problem is that to this point I never stored passwords at all, I
just stored a hash.  That 
won't work here since I need the actual password to send the email.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 6/8/2012 7:58 AM, Martin Reid wrote:
> John
>
> Just reading this on the web
>
> The business logic which I used is that, when a user is added through my
web application, on form submit event, I first get the user's information
from the form fields, encrypt the employee's password and then submit the
entire information into the user registration table. The password
information is encrypted in the user registration table. Now, when the user
enter into the application, provides userid and password, I just encrypt the
user provided password and match it with the employee table's password, so I
don't need to decrypt the database stored password again and again.
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
> Sent: 08 June 2012 12:50
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] SQL Server Encrypted field
>
>
>   I don't understand why you wouldn't want to do an entire column and just
be done with it.
>
>   Encrypting on a record by record basis for one column as needed seems
more trouble then it's worth.
>
> Jim.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
> Sent: Friday, June 08, 2012 12:54 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] SQL Server Encrypted field
>
> I just want to discuss ideas of how to do this at all.  The built-in SQL
Server methods appear to be aimed at entire tables or columns.  Obviously
for what I want to do I need to encrypt each field of a specific column.
Fairly different.
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
>
> Reality is what refuses to go away
> when you do not believe in it
>
> On 6/7/2012 9:54 AM, Charlotte Foust wrote:
>> So do you want to discuss how to do this using the built in SQL Server
>> features or through encryption/decription at the UI level?
>>
>> Charlotte Foust
>> On Wed, Jun 6, 2012 at 10:08 AM,
> jwcolby<jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>wrote:
>>
>>> I need to store sensitive data in specific fields of specific tables.
>>> I find things like:
>>>
>>>
>
http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-**us/library/ms179331.aspx<http://msdn.microsof
> t.com/en-us/library/ms179331.aspx>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Which discusses creating a certificate etc.  Hmm... what happens if
>>> the database is backed up?  What happens if I need to move the database?
>>>
>>> And of course my favorite SQL guy (Pinal Dave):
>>>
>>> http://blog.sqlauthority.com/**2009/04/28/sql-server-**
>>> introduction-to-sql-server-**encryption-and-symmetric-key-**
>>>
>
encryption-tutorial-with-**script/<http://blog.sqlauthority.com/2009/04/28/s
>
ql-server-introduction-to-sql-server-encryption-and-symmetric-key-encryption
> -tutorial-with-script/>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> In the end however what I want do (in this case) is to allow specific
>>> information to be encrypted / decrypted on a user specific basis, i.e.
>>> based on something user specific.
>>>
>>> Assume that users need to store their own Email Address, username and
>>> password in my database and then use that to send email "on their
behalf"
>>> from my system.  The database is used for generating Community
>>> Volunteer passes, and when the pass is created it is printed to PDF,
>>> attached to an email and mailed to one or more email address at a
>>> specific prison.  I
> have
>>> created a new GMail account with a username and password but it would
>>> be nice to allow each user to enter their own email address /
>>> username / password to send from so that if there are issues and the
>>> prison replies
> to
>>> the email, it gets back to them directly.  Using my current system it
> would
>>> come back to my general address.  Of course I can do a "do not
>>> respond to this email" kind of thing but I have already been asked if
>>> they can get responses.
>>>
>>> Obviously if I am going to store a user's email address, username and
>>> password it has to be encrypted, but furthermore it has to be
>>> retrievable only by that user.
>>>
>>> --
>>> John W. Colby
>>> Colby Consulting
>>>
>>> Reality is what refuses to go away
>>> when you do not believe in it
>>>
>>> --
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>>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>>>
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> rs.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd>
>>>
>>>
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>>>
>>>
>>>
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From jm.hwsn at gmail.com  Fri Jun  8 12:29:48 2012
From: jm.hwsn at gmail.com (Jim Hewson)
Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2012 12:29:48 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Problem with printing multiple reports
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These are new ideas, I haven't tried them.
I'll try them and see what happens.
Thanks,
Jim
On Fri, Jun 8, 2012 at 10:34 AM, Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:

> Hi Jim:
>
> It sounds very complex.
>
> I do not have an answer specifically to your situation as there is no way
> to
> guess at all the details without the same report sitting right in front of
> me.
>
> That said, I have ran into some similarly complex reporting issues and have
> found a few of methods which have always worked reliably.
>
> 1. I always run complex reports from calls to external code through the
> Report_Open event. In the external code the report source data can be
> easily
> modified then printed, then modified again and printed again etc.
>
> 2. Sometimes another report can be run from the initial report within the
> external code but it must be through the setting of a flag and running the
> DoEvent command and then on to the next report.
>
> 3. Of course one report can be daisy-chained to another all under program
> control within each report.
>
> 4. Another more risky report method is to turn off and on over-lapping,
> hidden and unhidden section details. These reports will work fine but get
> too tricky and the report may just crash and never be able to be edited
> again.
>
> 5. I do not trust the DLookup command. It has done weird things in the
> past.
> I always just make a call and run a query get the data needs. It is just
> about as fast but never fails or returns invalid info. There are times when
> there are multiple matches and it is beyond Dlookup to resolve.
>
> 6. It that does not work you can always roll your own. Back in A97 days, I
> hand coded a Access report. It was just about as pretty, just about as fast
> but it was very versatile. The output was written in Postscript and pushed
> directly to the printer port. For some clients, I do the same but instead I
> write the report in HTML and you can do anything in this type of report
> even
> add fancy fonts, calls to multiple data sources, add curves, circles,
> icons,
> insert pictures and so on. ;-)
>
> In summary I would suggest you take a look at the DoEvent command as it has
> solved more than one issue for me.
>
> Hope something here helps.
>
> Jim
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Hewson
> Sent: Friday, June 08, 2012 7:15 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] Problem with printing multiple reports
>
> Warning - this is rather long.
>
> Windows 7, Access 2007 -- This database has always been in A2007 - so it
> was never upgraded to a newer version.
>
> What I'm trying to do is print several reports using a button on a pop up
> (modal) form.  The form is opened from a button on another form.  Behind
> that form is a master form that stores pertinent data for doing several
> things and is kept open during the entire session.
>
> The database is used as a survey questionnaire.  The researcher can can
> change questions (text, responses, order, question type, etc.), assign
> questions to sections (max 25), assign variables and question coding .
> Sections can be ordered in any way the researcher deems necessary.
>
> The reason I want to print multiple reports is that each section is a
> separate report and I want to print the entire questionnaire instead of
> printing one section at a time.  The current questionnaire has 18 sections
> and therefore has 18 reports to be printed.  All reports have sub-reports.
> Some have sub or sub-sub-reports - depending on the section critieria.
>
> The print questionnaire form works -- IF it is opened from the navigation
> pane.  If it is opened by the button on the form - it crashes Access and
> closes the file. The message I get is "Microsoft Office Access has stopped
> working  Window can try to recover your information and restart the
> program"  My one choice is to "Restart the program".  It prints the first
> section.
>
> The original code had a DAO recordset that used a query as a record
> source.  With the recordset, I had a Do While ... Loop to find the specific
> section and report that needed to be printed in order.  I used a DLookup
> function to find the report needed and then a select Case to find the
> specific report name.  The where clause was in the Loop because it changed
> for each report.  At the end just before the Loop, I had a
> rsPrint.MoveNext.
>
> It appeared that the .MoveNext was the issue because that's where it would
> crash.
>
> So... I read somewhere that maybe the .MoveNext might be culprit and that
> maybe changing the order of events might work... it didn't.  I also read
> somewhere that maybe I need to put in .MoveFirst and .MoveLast at the
> beginning... didn't work... either before the With rsPrint statement or
> after the statement and before the Loop... didn't work.  On this forum, I
> read that maybe I need to validate .BOF = False Or .EOF = False in an If
> statement and them go on with the Loop.... didn't work.
>
> I read that maybe the entire Loop thing was the problem... or even the
> Select Case was the issue... or the domain funtions... eliminated them...
> didn't work.
>
> I redid the form... it had hidden fields which populated on loading that
> had the criteria for the where clause and the specific report needed.  So
> all I needed to do was call the field for the Where clause and the
> report... didn't work.
>
> I thought maybe it might be the pop up or modal status was the issue...
> nope, still crashed.
>
> After everything I've done.... I finally come to conclusion that it's
> crashing just after DoCmd.OpenReport statement... the first report prints
> but it ALWAYS crashes and doesn't get to the next line.
>
> Where can I go from here?  Am I stuck telling my users that they can only
> print one section at a time?
>
> Thanks in advance for any insight you have.
>
> Jim
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From mcp2004 at mail.ru  Fri Jun  8 12:58:04 2012
From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=)
Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2012 21:58:04 +0400
Subject: [AccessD] =?utf-8?q?Dvorak=27s_rant_on_Windows_8?=
In-Reply-To: <2A16EBA3-8E7A-4795-888A-2EFEF016133C@phulse.com>
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	<E1SakDG-0001Wj-Jk.mcp2004-mail-ru@f150.mail.ru>
	<2A16EBA3-8E7A-4795-888A-2EFEF016133C@phulse.com>
Message-ID: <1339178284.328847666@f152.mail.ru>

Hi All --

Here is an interesting blog posting:

"Microsoft, Windows 8, and the Innovator?s Dilemma (or, why you hate Windows 8)"
http://www.itwriting.com/blog/5875-microsoft-windows-8-and-the-innovators-dilemma-or-why-you-hate-windows-8.html

Thank you.

-- Shamil


Sat, 2 Jun 2012 03:00:03 -0700 ?? Hans-Christian Andersen <hans.andersen at phulse.com>:
> Try it before you buy it!
> 
> Best regards,
> Hans-Christian Andersen
> 
> 
> On 2 Jun 2012, at 02:01, Salakhetdinov Shamil <mcp2004 at mail.ru> wrote:
> 
> > Hi Mark --
> > 
> > I suppose Mr. Dvorak is wrong. I base my supposition on my experience of using Windows Phone 7 for half a year+ - it was not that easy to adapt but I like it now, and it flies in "experienced hands". I haven't had opportunity to touch (:)) Win8 but I'd expect it should be a success for MS, on three platforms now: smart-phones, internet pads and desktops. We will see.
> > 
> > Thank you.
> > 
> > -- Shamil
> > 
> > P.S. My son have Android with gingerbread etc. - good, powerful, useful smart-phone but its interface looks now obsolete for me. The "battle" is only starting now...
> > 
> > 
> > Fri, 01 Jun 2012 19:57:46 -0400 ?? "Mark Simms" <marksimms at verizon.net>:
> >> http://www.marketwatch.com/story/microsoft-reinvents-the-wheel-with-windows-
> >> 8-2012-06-01?dist=afterbell
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> He's usually correct.
> >> 
> >> Hard to believe Balmer and company are about to blow it again.
> >> 
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Fri Jun  8 13:23:56 2012
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2012 11:23:56 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Dvorak's rant on Windows 8
In-Reply-To: <1339178284.328847666@f152.mail.ru>
References: <009701cd4052$581835d0$0848a170$@net><E1SakDG-0001Wj-Jk.mcp2004-mail-ru@f150.mail.ru><2A16EBA3-8E7A-4795-888A-2EFEF016133C@phulse.com>
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A good article.

Jim

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Salakhetdinov
Shamil
Sent: Friday, June 08, 2012 10:58 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Dvorak's rant on Windows 8

Hi All --

Here is an interesting blog posting:

"Microsoft, Windows 8, and the Innovator's Dilemma (or, why you hate Windows
8)"
http://www.itwriting.com/blog/5875-microsoft-windows-8-and-the-innovators-di
lemma-or-why-you-hate-windows-8.html

Thank you.

-- Shamil


Sat, 2 Jun 2012 03:00:03 -0700 ?? Hans-Christian Andersen
<hans.andersen at phulse.com>:
> Try it before you buy it!
> 
> Best regards,
> Hans-Christian Andersen
> 
> 
> On 2 Jun 2012, at 02:01, Salakhetdinov Shamil <mcp2004 at mail.ru> wrote:
> 
> > Hi Mark --
> > 
> > I suppose Mr. Dvorak is wrong. I base my supposition on my experience of
using Windows Phone 7 for half a year+ - it was not that easy to adapt but I
like it now, and it flies in "experienced hands". I haven't had opportunity
to touch (:)) Win8 but I'd expect it should be a success for MS, on three
platforms now: smart-phones, internet pads and desktops. We will see.
> > 
> > Thank you.
> > 
> > -- Shamil
> > 
> > P.S. My son have Android with gingerbread etc. - good, powerful, useful
smart-phone but its interface looks now obsolete for me. The "battle" is
only starting now...
> > 
> > 
> > Fri, 01 Jun 2012 19:57:46 -0400 ?? "Mark Simms" <marksimms at verizon.net>:
> >>
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/microsoft-reinvents-the-wheel-with-windows-
> >> 8-2012-06-01?dist=afterbell
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> He's usually correct.
> >> 
> >> Hard to believe Balmer and company are about to blow it again.
> >> 
> >> -- 
> >> AccessD mailing list
> >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
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> >> 
> > 
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From mcp2004 at mail.ru  Fri Jun  8 13:33:16 2012
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Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2012 22:33:16 +0400
Subject: [AccessD] =?utf-8?q?Dvorak=27s_rant_on_Windows_8?=
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Hi Jim --

Yes, and I should have noted that comments to it are also interesting to read....

Thank you.

-- Shamil


Fri, 8 Jun 2012 11:23:56 -0700 ?? "Jim Lawrence" <accessd at shaw.ca>:
> A good article.
> 
> Jim
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Salakhetdinov
> Shamil
> Sent: Friday, June 08, 2012 10:58 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Dvorak's rant on Windows 8
> 
> Hi All --
> 
> Here is an interesting blog posting:
> 
> "Microsoft, Windows 8, and the Innovator's Dilemma (or, why you hate Windows
> 8)"
> http://www.itwriting.com/blog/5875-microsoft-windows-8-and-the-innovators-di
> lemma-or-why-you-hate-windows-8.html
> 
> Thank you.
> 
> -- Shamil
> 
> 
> Sat, 2 Jun 2012 03:00:03 -0700 ?? Hans-Christian Andersen
> <hans.andersen at phulse.com>:
> > Try it before you buy it!
> > 
> > Best regards,
> > Hans-Christian Andersen
> > 
> > 
> > On 2 Jun 2012, at 02:01, Salakhetdinov Shamil <mcp2004 at mail.ru> wrote:
> > 
> > > Hi Mark --
> > > 
> > > I suppose Mr. Dvorak is wrong. I base my supposition on my experience of
> using Windows Phone 7 for half a year+ - it was not that easy to adapt but I
> like it now, and it flies in "experienced hands". I haven't had opportunity
> to touch (:)) Win8 but I'd expect it should be a success for MS, on three
> platforms now: smart-phones, internet pads and desktops. We will see.
> > > 
> > > Thank you.
> > > 
> > > -- Shamil
> > > 
> > > P.S. My son have Android with gingerbread etc. - good, powerful, useful
> smart-phone but its interface looks now obsolete for me. The "battle" is
> only starting now...
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Fri, 01 Jun 2012 19:57:46 -0400 ?? "Mark Simms" <marksimms at verizon.net>:
> > >>
> http://www.marketwatch.com/story/microsoft-reinvents-the-wheel-with-windows-
> > >> 8-2012-06-01?dist=afterbell
> > >> 
> > >> 
> > >> 
> > >> He's usually correct.
> > >> 
> > >> Hard to believe Balmer and company are about to blow it again.
> > >> 
> > >> -- 
> > >> AccessD mailing list
> > >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > >> 
> > > 
> > > -- 
> > > AccessD mailing list
> > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > 
> > -- 
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > 
> 
> -- 
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 
> 
> -- 
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> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 


From hans.andersen at phulse.com  Fri Jun  8 13:46:55 2012
From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen)
Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2012 11:46:55 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Dvorak's rant on Windows 8
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"... Microsoft was incapable of making the radical changes to Windows that would make it work until it was too late."

I don't understand why every assumes that porting Windows to a tablet is a good idea (even if it has a tablet UI on top of it - aka Metro). iOS is not a port of OS X and Android is not a port of desktop Linux.

Hans


On 2012-06-08, at 11:33 AM, Salakhetdinov Shamil wrote:

> Hi Jim --
> 
> Yes, and I should have noted that comments to it are also interesting to read....
> 
> Thank you.
> 
> -- Shamil
> 
> 
> Fri, 8 Jun 2012 11:23:56 -0700 ?? "Jim Lawrence" <accessd at shaw.ca>:
>> A good article.
>> 
>> Jim
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Salakhetdinov
>> Shamil
>> Sent: Friday, June 08, 2012 10:58 AM
>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Dvorak's rant on Windows 8
>> 
>> Hi All --
>> 
>> Here is an interesting blog posting:
>> 
>> "Microsoft, Windows 8, and the Innovator's Dilemma (or, why you hate Windows
>> 8)"
>> http://www.itwriting.com/blog/5875-microsoft-windows-8-and-the-innovators-di
>> lemma-or-why-you-hate-windows-8.html
>> 
>> Thank you.
>> 
>> -- Shamil
>> 
>> 
>> Sat, 2 Jun 2012 03:00:03 -0700 ?? Hans-Christian Andersen
>> <hans.andersen at phulse.com>:
>>> Try it before you buy it!
>>> 
>>> Best regards,
>>> Hans-Christian Andersen
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 2 Jun 2012, at 02:01, Salakhetdinov Shamil <mcp2004 at mail.ru> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Hi Mark --
>>>> 
>>>> I suppose Mr. Dvorak is wrong. I base my supposition on my experience of
>> using Windows Phone 7 for half a year+ - it was not that easy to adapt but I
>> like it now, and it flies in "experienced hands". I haven't had opportunity
>> to touch (:)) Win8 but I'd expect it should be a success for MS, on three
>> platforms now: smart-phones, internet pads and desktops. We will see.
>>>> 
>>>> Thank you.
>>>> 
>>>> -- Shamil
>>>> 
>>>> P.S. My son have Android with gingerbread etc. - good, powerful, useful
>> smart-phone but its interface looks now obsolete for me. The "battle" is
>> only starting now...
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Fri, 01 Jun 2012 19:57:46 -0400 ?? "Mark Simms" <marksimms at verizon.net>:
>>>>> 
>> http://www.marketwatch.com/story/microsoft-reinvents-the-wheel-with-windows-
>>>>> 8-2012-06-01?dist=afterbell
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> He's usually correct.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hard to believe Balmer and company are about to blow it again.
>>>>> 
>>>>> -- 
>>>>> AccessD mailing list
>>>>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>>>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>>>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> -- 
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>>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>> 
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>> 
>> -- 
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>> 
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> 
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From mcp2004 at mail.ru  Fri Jun  8 14:32:43 2012
From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=)
Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2012 23:32:43 +0400
Subject: [AccessD] =?utf-8?q?Dvorak=27s_rant_on_Windows_8?=
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Hi Hans --

AFAIU the most attractive feature is that a Win8 tablet will be in synch  with Win7/8 desktop/laptop/phone/... via SkyDrive/Office365/Windows Azure... - read comment from mtcoder, June 8, 2012 at 1:41 pm...

Thank you.

-- Shamil

Fri, 8 Jun 2012 11:46:55 -0700 ?? Hans-Christian Andersen <hans.andersen at phulse.com>:
> 
> "... Microsoft was incapable of making the radical changes to Windows that would make it work until it was too late."
> 
> I don't understand why every assumes that porting Windows to a tablet is a good idea (even if it has a tablet UI on top of it - aka Metro). iOS is not a port of OS X and Android is not a port of desktop Linux.
> 
> Hans
> 
> 
> On 2012-06-08, at 11:33 AM, Salakhetdinov Shamil wrote:
> 
> > Hi Jim --
> > 
> > Yes, and I should have noted that comments to it are also interesting to read....
> > 
> > Thank you.
> > 
> > -- Shamil
> > 
> > 
> > Fri, 8 Jun 2012 11:23:56 -0700 ?? "Jim Lawrence" <accessd at shaw.ca>:
> >> A good article.
> >> 
> >> Jim
> >> 
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> >> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Salakhetdinov
> >> Shamil
> >> Sent: Friday, June 08, 2012 10:58 AM
> >> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> >> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Dvorak's rant on Windows 8
> >> 
> >> Hi All --
> >> 
> >> Here is an interesting blog posting:
> >> 
> >> "Microsoft, Windows 8, and the Innovator's Dilemma (or, why you hate Windows
> >> 8)"
> >> http://www.itwriting.com/blog/5875-microsoft-windows-8-and-the-innovators-di
> >> lemma-or-why-you-hate-windows-8.html
> >> 
> >> Thank you.
> >> 
> >> -- Shamil
> >> 
<<< skipped >>> 


From hans.andersen at phulse.com  Fri Jun  8 14:48:56 2012
From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen)
Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2012 12:48:56 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Dvorak's rant on Windows 8
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That is an attractive feature. I've been enjoying that in iTunes for a number of years and now iCloud.

However, I was speaking about the interface and the underlying OS.

Hans 


On 2012-06-08, at 12:32 PM, Salakhetdinov Shamil wrote:

> Hi Hans --
> 
> AFAIU the most attractive feature is that a Win8 tablet will be in synch  with Win7/8 desktop/laptop/phone/... via SkyDrive/Office365/Windows Azure... - read comment from mtcoder, June 8, 2012 at 1:41 pm...
> 
> Thank you.
> 
> -- Shamil
> 
> Fri, 8 Jun 2012 11:46:55 -0700 ?? Hans-Christian Andersen <hans.andersen at phulse.com>:
>> 
>> "... Microsoft was incapable of making the radical changes to Windows that would make it work until it was too late."
>> 
>> I don't understand why every assumes that porting Windows to a tablet is a good idea (even if it has a tablet UI on top of it - aka Metro). iOS is not a port of OS X and Android is not a port of desktop Linux.
>> 
>> Hans
>> 
>> 
>> On 2012-06-08, at 11:33 AM, Salakhetdinov Shamil wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Jim --
>>> 
>>> Yes, and I should have noted that comments to it are also interesting to read....
>>> 
>>> Thank you.
>>> 
>>> -- Shamil
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Fri, 8 Jun 2012 11:23:56 -0700 ?? "Jim Lawrence" <accessd at shaw.ca>:
>>>> A good article.
>>>> 
>>>> Jim
>>>> 
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Salakhetdinov
>>>> Shamil
>>>> Sent: Friday, June 08, 2012 10:58 AM
>>>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>>>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Dvorak's rant on Windows 8
>>>> 
>>>> Hi All --
>>>> 
>>>> Here is an interesting blog posting:
>>>> 
>>>> "Microsoft, Windows 8, and the Innovator's Dilemma (or, why you hate Windows
>>>> 8)"
>>>> http://www.itwriting.com/blog/5875-microsoft-windows-8-and-the-innovators-di
>>>> lemma-or-why-you-hate-windows-8.html
>>>> 
>>>> Thank you.
>>>> 
>>>> -- Shamil
>>>> 
> <<< skipped >>> 
> 
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From jm.hwsn at gmail.com  Fri Jun  8 15:01:40 2012
From: jm.hwsn at gmail.com (Jim Hewson)
Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2012 15:01:40 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Problem with printing multiple reports
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As I was going through the ideas expressed by Jim below, I was bombarded
with different opinions on using DoEvent.
Most stated it would top out the CPU if used in Access and it was not a
good idea to use it.
One obscure site recommended a solution in passing talking about something
else.

It said to open the report in Preview, print it, close it and then go to
the next report.
It actually works!  When printing the entire questionnaire, it appears that
there is a blank sheet of paper behind the form...
I can live with that.

Thanks, Jim for your suggestions. Without them I would not have found the
solution.

Jim


On Fri, Jun 8, 2012 at 12:29 PM, Jim Hewson <jm.hwsn at gmail.com> wrote:

> These are new ideas, I haven't tried them.
> I'll try them and see what happens.
> Thanks,
> Jim
> On Fri, Jun 8, 2012 at 10:34 AM, Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:
>
>> Hi Jim:
>>
>> It sounds very complex.
>>
>> I do not have an answer specifically to your situation as there is no way
>> to
>> guess at all the details without the same report sitting right in front of
>> me.
>>
>> That said, I have ran into some similarly complex reporting issues and
>> have
>> found a few of methods which have always worked reliably.
>>
>> 1. I always run complex reports from calls to external code through the
>> Report_Open event. In the external code the report source data can be
>> easily
>> modified then printed, then modified again and printed again etc.
>>
>> 2. Sometimes another report can be run from the initial report within the
>> external code but it must be through the setting of a flag and running the
>> DoEvent command and then on to the next report.
>>
>> 3. Of course one report can be daisy-chained to another all under program
>> control within each report.
>>
>> 4. Another more risky report method is to turn off and on over-lapping,
>> hidden and unhidden section details. These reports will work fine but get
>> too tricky and the report may just crash and never be able to be edited
>> again.
>>
>> 5. I do not trust the DLookup command. It has done weird things in the
>> past.
>> I always just make a call and run a query get the data needs. It is just
>> about as fast but never fails or returns invalid info. There are times
>> when
>> there are multiple matches and it is beyond Dlookup to resolve.
>>
>> 6. It that does not work you can always roll your own. Back in A97 days, I
>> hand coded a Access report. It was just about as pretty, just about as
>> fast
>> but it was very versatile. The output was written in Postscript and pushed
>> directly to the printer port. For some clients, I do the same but instead
>> I
>> write the report in HTML and you can do anything in this type of report
>> even
>> add fancy fonts, calls to multiple data sources, add curves, circles,
>> icons,
>> insert pictures and so on. ;-)
>>
>> In summary I would suggest you take a look at the DoEvent command as it
>> has
>> solved more than one issue for me.
>>
>> Hope something here helps.
>>
>> Jim
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Hewson
>> Sent: Friday, June 08, 2012 7:15 AM
>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>> Subject: [AccessD] Problem with printing multiple reports
>>
>> Warning - this is rather long.
>>
>> Windows 7, Access 2007 -- This database has always been in A2007 - so it
>> was never upgraded to a newer version.
>>
>> What I'm trying to do is print several reports using a button on a pop up
>> (modal) form.  The form is opened from a button on another form.  Behind
>> that form is a master form that stores pertinent data for doing several
>> things and is kept open during the entire session.
>>
>> The database is used as a survey questionnaire.  The researcher can can
>> change questions (text, responses, order, question type, etc.), assign
>> questions to sections (max 25), assign variables and question coding .
>> Sections can be ordered in any way the researcher deems necessary.
>>
>> The reason I want to print multiple reports is that each section is a
>> separate report and I want to print the entire questionnaire instead of
>> printing one section at a time.  The current questionnaire has 18 sections
>> and therefore has 18 reports to be printed.  All reports have sub-reports.
>> Some have sub or sub-sub-reports - depending on the section critieria.
>>
>> The print questionnaire form works -- IF it is opened from the navigation
>> pane.  If it is opened by the button on the form - it crashes Access and
>> closes the file. The message I get is "Microsoft Office Access has stopped
>> working  Window can try to recover your information and restart the
>> program"  My one choice is to "Restart the program".  It prints the first
>> section.
>>
>> The original code had a DAO recordset that used a query as a record
>> source.  With the recordset, I had a Do While ... Loop to find the
>> specific
>> section and report that needed to be printed in order.  I used a DLookup
>> function to find the report needed and then a select Case to find the
>> specific report name.  The where clause was in the Loop because it changed
>> for each report.  At the end just before the Loop, I had a
>> rsPrint.MoveNext.
>>
>> It appeared that the .MoveNext was the issue because that's where it would
>> crash.
>>
>> So... I read somewhere that maybe the .MoveNext might be culprit and that
>> maybe changing the order of events might work... it didn't.  I also read
>> somewhere that maybe I need to put in .MoveFirst and .MoveLast at the
>> beginning... didn't work... either before the With rsPrint statement or
>> after the statement and before the Loop... didn't work.  On this forum, I
>> read that maybe I need to validate .BOF = False Or .EOF = False in an If
>> statement and them go on with the Loop.... didn't work.
>>
>> I read that maybe the entire Loop thing was the problem... or even the
>> Select Case was the issue... or the domain funtions... eliminated them...
>> didn't work.
>>
>> I redid the form... it had hidden fields which populated on loading that
>> had the criteria for the where clause and the specific report needed.  So
>> all I needed to do was call the field for the Where clause and the
>> report... didn't work.
>>
>> I thought maybe it might be the pop up or modal status was the issue...
>> nope, still crashed.
>>
>> After everything I've done.... I finally come to conclusion that it's
>> crashing just after DoCmd.OpenReport statement... the first report prints
>> but it ALWAYS crashes and doesn't get to the next line.
>>
>> Where can I go from here?  Am I stuck telling my users that they can only
>> print one section at a time?
>>
>> Thanks in advance for any insight you have.
>>
>> Jim
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>

From accessd at shaw.ca  Fri Jun  8 19:26:12 2012
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2012 17:26:12 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Problem with printing multiple reports
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Hi Jim:

I have been using DoEvent for years and as far as I know it have never
crashed a system because of its use...I have never tried to see just far I
could push things or did multiple levels DoEvents though.

That said, I am glad to hear that you have a workable solution.

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Hewson
Sent: Friday, June 08, 2012 1:02 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Problem with printing multiple reports

As I was going through the ideas expressed by Jim below, I was bombarded
with different opinions on using DoEvent.
Most stated it would top out the CPU if used in Access and it was not a
good idea to use it.
One obscure site recommended a solution in passing talking about something
else.

It said to open the report in Preview, print it, close it and then go to
the next report.
It actually works!  When printing the entire questionnaire, it appears that
there is a blank sheet of paper behind the form...
I can live with that.

Thanks, Jim for your suggestions. Without them I would not have found the
solution.

Jim


On Fri, Jun 8, 2012 at 12:29 PM, Jim Hewson <jm.hwsn at gmail.com> wrote:

> These are new ideas, I haven't tried them.
> I'll try them and see what happens.
> Thanks,
> Jim
> On Fri, Jun 8, 2012 at 10:34 AM, Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:
>
>> Hi Jim:
>>
>> It sounds very complex.
>>
>> I do not have an answer specifically to your situation as there is no way
>> to
>> guess at all the details without the same report sitting right in front
of
>> me.
>>
>> That said, I have ran into some similarly complex reporting issues and
>> have
>> found a few of methods which have always worked reliably.
>>
>> 1. I always run complex reports from calls to external code through the
>> Report_Open event. In the external code the report source data can be
>> easily
>> modified then printed, then modified again and printed again etc.
>>
>> 2. Sometimes another report can be run from the initial report within the
>> external code but it must be through the setting of a flag and running
the
>> DoEvent command and then on to the next report.
>>
>> 3. Of course one report can be daisy-chained to another all under program
>> control within each report.
>>
>> 4. Another more risky report method is to turn off and on over-lapping,
>> hidden and unhidden section details. These reports will work fine but get
>> too tricky and the report may just crash and never be able to be edited
>> again.
>>
>> 5. I do not trust the DLookup command. It has done weird things in the
>> past.
>> I always just make a call and run a query get the data needs. It is just
>> about as fast but never fails or returns invalid info. There are times
>> when
>> there are multiple matches and it is beyond Dlookup to resolve.
>>
>> 6. It that does not work you can always roll your own. Back in A97 days,
I
>> hand coded a Access report. It was just about as pretty, just about as
>> fast
>> but it was very versatile. The output was written in Postscript and
pushed
>> directly to the printer port. For some clients, I do the same but instead
>> I
>> write the report in HTML and you can do anything in this type of report
>> even
>> add fancy fonts, calls to multiple data sources, add curves, circles,
>> icons,
>> insert pictures and so on. ;-)
>>
>> In summary I would suggest you take a look at the DoEvent command as it
>> has
>> solved more than one issue for me.
>>
>> Hope something here helps.
>>
>> Jim
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Hewson
>> Sent: Friday, June 08, 2012 7:15 AM
>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>> Subject: [AccessD] Problem with printing multiple reports
>>
>> Warning - this is rather long.
>>
>> Windows 7, Access 2007 -- This database has always been in A2007 - so it
>> was never upgraded to a newer version.
>>
>> What I'm trying to do is print several reports using a button on a pop up
>> (modal) form.  The form is opened from a button on another form.  Behind
>> that form is a master form that stores pertinent data for doing several
>> things and is kept open during the entire session.
>>
>> The database is used as a survey questionnaire.  The researcher can can
>> change questions (text, responses, order, question type, etc.), assign
>> questions to sections (max 25), assign variables and question coding .
>> Sections can be ordered in any way the researcher deems necessary.
>>
>> The reason I want to print multiple reports is that each section is a
>> separate report and I want to print the entire questionnaire instead of
>> printing one section at a time.  The current questionnaire has 18
sections
>> and therefore has 18 reports to be printed.  All reports have
sub-reports.
>> Some have sub or sub-sub-reports - depending on the section critieria.
>>
>> The print questionnaire form works -- IF it is opened from the navigation
>> pane.  If it is opened by the button on the form - it crashes Access and
>> closes the file. The message I get is "Microsoft Office Access has
stopped
>> working  Window can try to recover your information and restart the
>> program"  My one choice is to "Restart the program".  It prints the first
>> section.
>>
>> The original code had a DAO recordset that used a query as a record
>> source.  With the recordset, I had a Do While ... Loop to find the
>> specific
>> section and report that needed to be printed in order.  I used a DLookup
>> function to find the report needed and then a select Case to find the
>> specific report name.  The where clause was in the Loop because it
changed
>> for each report.  At the end just before the Loop, I had a
>> rsPrint.MoveNext.
>>
>> It appeared that the .MoveNext was the issue because that's where it
would
>> crash.
>>
>> So... I read somewhere that maybe the .MoveNext might be culprit and that
>> maybe changing the order of events might work... it didn't.  I also read
>> somewhere that maybe I need to put in .MoveFirst and .MoveLast at the
>> beginning... didn't work... either before the With rsPrint statement or
>> after the statement and before the Loop... didn't work.  On this forum, I
>> read that maybe I need to validate .BOF = False Or .EOF = False in an If
>> statement and them go on with the Loop.... didn't work.
>>
>> I read that maybe the entire Loop thing was the problem... or even the
>> Select Case was the issue... or the domain funtions... eliminated them...
>> didn't work.
>>
>> I redid the form... it had hidden fields which populated on loading that
>> had the criteria for the where clause and the specific report needed.  So
>> all I needed to do was call the field for the Where clause and the
>> report... didn't work.
>>
>> I thought maybe it might be the pop up or modal status was the issue...
>> nope, still crashed.
>>
>> After everything I've done.... I finally come to conclusion that it's
>> crashing just after DoCmd.OpenReport statement... the first report prints
>> but it ALWAYS crashes and doesn't get to the next line.
>>
>> Where can I go from here?  Am I stuck telling my users that they can only
>> print one section at a time?
>>
>> Thanks in advance for any insight you have.
>>
>> Jim
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From vbacreations at gmail.com  Fri Jun  8 20:26:15 2012
From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson)
Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2012 21:26:15 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Dvorak's rant on Windows 8
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I really need mobiles smd portables to run office vba with full MS Office
object model... will they ever?
On Jun 8, 2012 3:34 PM, "Salakhetdinov Shamil" <mcp2004 at mail.ru> wrote:

> Hi Hans --
>
> AFAIU the most attractive feature is that a Win8 tablet will be in synch
>  with Win7/8 desktop/laptop/phone/... via SkyDrive/Office365/Windows
> Azure... - read comment from mtcoder, June 8, 2012 at 1:41 pm...
>
> Thank you.
>
> -- Shamil
>
> Fri, 8 Jun 2012 11:46:55 -0700 ?? Hans-Christian Andersen <
> hans.andersen at phulse.com>:
> >
> > "... Microsoft was incapable of making the radical changes to Windows
> that would make it work until it was too late."
> >
> > I don't understand why every assumes that porting Windows to a tablet is
> a good idea (even if it has a tablet UI on top of it - aka Metro). iOS is
> not a port of OS X and Android is not a port of desktop Linux.
> >
> > Hans
> >
> >
> > On 2012-06-08, at 11:33 AM, Salakhetdinov Shamil wrote:
> >
> > > Hi Jim --
> > >
> > > Yes, and I should have noted that comments to it are also interesting
> to read....
> > >
> > > Thank you.
> > >
> > > -- Shamil
> > >
> > >
> > > Fri, 8 Jun 2012 11:23:56 -0700 ?? "Jim Lawrence" <accessd at shaw.ca>:
> > >> A good article.
> > >>
> > >> Jim
> > >>
> > >> -----Original Message-----
> > >> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > >> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> Salakhetdinov
> > >> Shamil
> > >> Sent: Friday, June 08, 2012 10:58 AM
> > >> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > >> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Dvorak's rant on Windows 8
> > >>
> > >> Hi All --
> > >>
> > >> Here is an interesting blog posting:
> > >>
> > >> "Microsoft, Windows 8, and the Innovator's Dilemma (or, why you hate
> Windows
> > >> 8)"
> > >>
> http://www.itwriting.com/blog/5875-microsoft-windows-8-and-the-innovators-di
> > >> lemma-or-why-you-hate-windows-8.html
> > >>
> > >> Thank you.
> > >>
> > >> -- Shamil
> > >>
> <<< skipped >>>
>
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From hans.andersen at phulse.com  Fri Jun  8 20:33:10 2012
From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen)
Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2012 18:33:10 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Dvorak's rant on Windows 8
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What ever happened to Active Sync anyways? Last stable release was in 2007?

- Hans

Sent from my iPhone

On 2012-06-08, at 12:32 PM, Salakhetdinov Shamil <mcp2004 at mail.ru> wrote:

> Hi Hans --
> 
> AFAIU the most attractive feature is that a Win8 tablet will be in synch  with Win7/8 desktop/laptop/phone/... via SkyDrive/Office365/Windows Azure... - read comment from mtcoder, June 8, 2012 at 1:41 pm...
> 
> Thank you.
> 
> -- Shamil
> 
> Fri, 8 Jun 2012 11:46:55 -0700 ?? Hans-Christian Andersen <hans.andersen at phulse.com>:
>> 
>> "... Microsoft was incapable of making the radical changes to Windows that would make it work until it was too late."
>> 
>> I don't understand why every assumes that porting Windows to a tablet is a good idea (even if it has a tablet UI on top of it - aka Metro). iOS is not a port of OS X and Android is not a port of desktop Linux.
>> 
>> Hans
>> 
>> 
>> On 2012-06-08, at 11:33 AM, Salakhetdinov Shamil wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Jim --
>>> 
>>> Yes, and I should have noted that comments to it are also interesting to read....
>>> 
>>> Thank you.
>>> 
>>> -- Shamil
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Fri, 8 Jun 2012 11:23:56 -0700 ?? "Jim Lawrence" <accessd at shaw.ca>:
>>>> A good article.
>>>> 
>>>> Jim
>>>> 
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Salakhetdinov
>>>> Shamil
>>>> Sent: Friday, June 08, 2012 10:58 AM
>>>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>>>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Dvorak's rant on Windows 8
>>>> 
>>>> Hi All --
>>>> 
>>>> Here is an interesting blog posting:
>>>> 
>>>> "Microsoft, Windows 8, and the Innovator's Dilemma (or, why you hate Windows
>>>> 8)"
>>>> http://www.itwriting.com/blog/5875-microsoft-windows-8-and-the-innovators-di
>>>> lemma-or-why-you-hate-windows-8.html
>>>> 
>>>> Thank you.
>>>> 
>>>> -- Shamil
>>>> 
> <<< skipped >>> 
> 
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Jun  8 22:05:57 2012
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2012 23:05:57 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] SQL Server Encrypted field
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I hear ya.  This system allows users to send Community Volunteer pass requests in to the prison 
system on behalf of the Community Volunteer.  IOW the CV puts the db on their system, fills out a 
pass, and the database emails it off to the prison.

I went out and created a generic GMail account for the program to use and so the way it works now is 
that they fill out the pass and the program uses this generic gmail account to send to the prison. 
This works fine except that the prison cannot reply to the email because it goes back to my generic 
email account which I do not monitor.

I guess this is the way this is generally handled and I am fine with that.  It is possible though 
unlikely that there could be hundreds or even thousands of users of this database located across the 
state of North Carolina.  If that were to ever happen I would need to do something else because 
GMail has limits like 500 emails per day.

My first user asked if he could receive replies to the email.  The answer obviously is no, unless he 
gives me an Gmail account of his own to use to send the emails.  Then my program could send using 
his account.  I could of course just store it (the email / username / password) local on his copy of 
the database too.

I have set up GMail code that I just pulled off the web to do this stuff.  I have no idea whether 
the same kind of thing could be used for other types of email addresses but I really don't want to 
get into the business of holding users hands getting their email set up in my program.

Oh well.  What I have works.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 6/8/2012 11:51 AM, Martin Reid wrote:
> John
>
> My guys here say you should not be doing that. You should send an email with the appropriate reply to address etc set by your system.
>
> There is no valid reason for you to store their email account passwords.
>
> Martin
>
> PS Don't shoot the messanger!!


From davidmcafee at gmail.com  Fri Jun  8 23:42:30 2012
From: davidmcafee at gmail.com (David McAfee)
Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2012 21:42:30 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Dvorak's rant on Windows 8
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It was replaced by windows mobile device center.  I preferred active sync
too.

Sent from my Droid phone.
On Jun 8, 2012 7:34 PM, "Hans-Christian Andersen" <hans.andersen at phulse.com>
wrote:

> What ever happened to Active Sync anyways? Last stable release was in 2007?
>
> - Hans
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On 2012-06-08, at 12:32 PM, Salakhetdinov Shamil <mcp2004 at mail.ru> wrote:
>
> > Hi Hans --
> >
> > AFAIU the most attractive feature is that a Win8 tablet will be in synch
>  with Win7/8 desktop/laptop/phone/... via SkyDrive/Office365/Windows
> Azure... - read comment from mtcoder, June 8, 2012 at 1:41 pm...
> >
> > Thank you.
> >
> > -- Shamil
> >
> > Fri, 8 Jun 2012 11:46:55 -0700 ?? Hans-Christian Andersen <
> hans.andersen at phulse.com>:
> >>
> >> "... Microsoft was incapable of making the radical changes to Windows
> that would make it work until it was too late."
> >>
> >> I don't understand why every assumes that porting Windows to a tablet
> is a good idea (even if it has a tablet UI on top of it - aka Metro). iOS
> is not a port of OS X and Android is not a port of desktop Linux.
> >>
> >> Hans
> >>
> >>
> >> On 2012-06-08, at 11:33 AM, Salakhetdinov Shamil wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hi Jim --
> >>>
> >>> Yes, and I should have noted that comments to it are also interesting
> to read....
> >>>
> >>> Thank you.
> >>>
> >>> -- Shamil
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Fri, 8 Jun 2012 11:23:56 -0700 ?? "Jim Lawrence" <accessd at shaw.ca>:
> >>>> A good article.
> >>>>
> >>>> Jim
> >>>>
> >>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> >>>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> Salakhetdinov
> >>>> Shamil
> >>>> Sent: Friday, June 08, 2012 10:58 AM
> >>>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> >>>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Dvorak's rant on Windows 8
> >>>>
> >>>> Hi All --
> >>>>
> >>>> Here is an interesting blog posting:
> >>>>
> >>>> "Microsoft, Windows 8, and the Innovator's Dilemma (or, why you hate
> Windows
> >>>> 8)"
> >>>>
> http://www.itwriting.com/blog/5875-microsoft-windows-8-and-the-innovators-di
> >>>> lemma-or-why-you-hate-windows-8.html
> >>>>
> >>>> Thank you.
> >>>>
> >>>> -- Shamil
> >>>>
> > <<< skipped >>>
> >
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From mcp2004 at mail.ru  Sat Jun  9 03:02:31 2012
From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=)
Date: Sat, 09 Jun 2012 12:02:31 +0400
Subject: [AccessD] =?utf-8?q?Dvorak=27s_rant_on_Windows_8?=
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Hi Hans --

Please note that a blog post I recently referred here has many "anti-Win8" comments...

I'm not arguing/trying to say Win8 is better for tablets than iOs or Android, I'm just saying that I like Metro style UI:  I'm using it with WinPhone7 and I accustomed to use WinPhone7 via Metro-style UI and so I expect that Win8 tablet would be a joy for me to work with.  I'm finding Metro UI fluent and user-friendly. Of course there is still a lot to do for WinPhone 7/8 apps to make them  even more user-friendly and useful...

As for Win8 synchronization feature I guess it will be more than just "active sync" of files - it will be also synchronizing running application contexts/states...

> However, I was speaking about the interface and the underlying OS.
I missed that - could you please repeat what issues do you (fore)see with Win8 Metro style UI/underlying OS? Did you try to use them?

Thank you.

-- Shamil


Fri, 8 Jun 2012 12:48:56 -0700 ?? Hans-Christian Andersen <hans.andersen at phulse.com>:
> 
> 
> That is an attractive feature. I've been enjoying that in iTunes for a number of years and now iCloud.
> 
> However, I was speaking about the interface and the underlying OS.
> 
> Hans 
> 
> 
> On 2012-06-08, at 12:32 PM, Salakhetdinov Shamil wrote:
> 
> > Hi Hans --
> > 
> > AFAIU the most attractive feature is that a Win8 tablet will be in synch  with Win7/8 desktop/laptop/phone/... via SkyDrive/Office365/Windows Azure... - read comment from mtcoder, June 8, 2012 at 1:41 pm...
> > 
> > Thank you.
> > 
> > -- Shamil
> > 
> > Fri, 8 Jun 2012 11:46:55 -0700 ?? Hans-Christian Andersen <hans.andersen at phulse.com>:
> >> 
> >> "... Microsoft was incapable of making the radical changes to Windows that would make it work until it was too late."
> >> 
> >> I don't understand why every assumes that porting Windows to a tablet is a good idea (even if it has a tablet UI on top of it - aka Metro). iOS is not a port of OS X and Android is not a port of desktop Linux.
> >> 
> >> Hans
> >> 
> >> 
> >> On 2012-06-08, at 11:33 AM, Salakhetdinov Shamil wrote:
> >> 
> >>> Hi Jim --
> >>> 
> >>> Yes, and I should have noted that comments to it are also interesting to read....
> >>> 
> >>> Thank you.
> >>> 
> >>> -- Shamil
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>> Fri, 8 Jun 2012 11:23:56 -0700 ?? "Jim Lawrence" <accessd at shaw.ca>:
> >>>> A good article.
> >>>> 
> >>>> Jim
> >>>> 
> >>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> >>>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Salakhetdinov
> >>>> Shamil
> >>>> Sent: Friday, June 08, 2012 10:58 AM
> >>>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> >>>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Dvorak's rant on Windows 8
> >>>> 
> >>>> Hi All --
> >>>> 
> >>>> Here is an interesting blog posting:
> >>>> 
> >>>> "Microsoft, Windows 8, and the Innovator's Dilemma (or, why you hate Windows
> >>>> 8)"
> >>>> http://www.itwriting.com/blog/5875-microsoft-windows-8-and-the-innovators-di
> >>>> lemma-or-why-you-hate-windows-8.html
> >>>> 
> >>>> Thank you.
> >>>> 
> >>>> -- Shamil
> >>>> 
> > <<< skipped >>> 
> > 
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From vbacreations at gmail.com  Sat Jun  9 03:43:09 2012
From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson)
Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2012 04:43:09 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] SQL Server Encrypted field
In-Reply-To: <4FD1855F.1020507@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4FCF8E9A.8060201@colbyconsulting.com>
	<CAH+Met8OP7URrb=P=61tQ+SRGmjp5uQETKD0+iPgBdN-xoBaiw@mail.gmail.com>
	<4FD1855F.1020507@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <CAGuQ9V58Gu=nXaZU_JdCFZfoaNuLGo8f49+rwaDNDcVO484gmQ@mail.gmail.com>

Surely you can create a table per user without difficulty?
On Jun 8, 2012 12:56 AM, "jwcolby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:

> I just want to discuss ideas of how to do this at all.  The built-in SQL
> Server methods appear to be aimed at entire tables or columns.  Obviously
> for what I want to do I need to encrypt each field of a specific column.
>  Fairly different.
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
>
> Reality is what refuses to go away
> when you do not believe in it
>
> On 6/7/2012 9:54 AM, Charlotte Foust wrote:
>
>> So do you want to discuss how to do this using the built in SQL Server
>> features or through encryption/decription at the UI level?
>>
>> Charlotte Foust
>> On Wed, Jun 6, 2012 at 10:08 AM, jwcolby<jwcolby@**colbyconsulting.com<jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
>> >wrote:
>>
>>  I need to store sensitive data in specific fields of specific tables.  I
>>> find things like:
>>>
>>> http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-****us/library/ms179331.aspx<http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-**us/library/ms179331.aspx>
>>> <http**://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/**library/ms179331.aspx<http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms179331.aspx>
>>> >
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Which discusses creating a certificate etc.  Hmm... what happens if the
>>> database is backed up?  What happens if I need to move the database?
>>>
>>> And of course my favorite SQL guy (Pinal Dave):
>>>
>>> http://blog.sqlauthority.com/****2009/04/28/sql-server-**<http://blog.sqlauthority.com/**2009/04/28/sql-server-**>
>>> introduction-to-sql-server-****encryption-and-symmetric-key-****
>>> encryption-tutorial-with-****script/<http://blog.**
>>> sqlauthority.com/2009/04/28/**sql-server-introduction-to-**
>>> sql-server-encryption-and-**symmetric-key-encryption-**
>>> tutorial-with-script/<http://blog.sqlauthority.com/2009/04/28/sql-server-introduction-to-sql-server-encryption-and-symmetric-key-encryption-tutorial-with-script/>
>>> >
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> In the end however what I want do (in this case) is to allow specific
>>> information to be encrypted / decrypted on a user specific basis, i.e.
>>> based on something user specific.
>>>
>>> Assume that users need to store their own Email Address, username and
>>> password in my database and then use that to send email "on their behalf"
>>> from my system.  The database is used for generating Community Volunteer
>>> passes, and when the pass is created it is printed to PDF, attached to an
>>> email and mailed to one or more email address at a specific prison.  I
>>> have
>>> created a new GMail account with a username and password but it would be
>>> nice to allow each user to enter their own email address / username /
>>> password to send from so that if there are issues and the prison replies
>>> to
>>> the email, it gets back to them directly.  Using my current system it
>>> would
>>> come back to my general address.  Of course I can do a "do not respond to
>>> this email" kind of thing but I have already been asked if they can get
>>> responses.
>>>
>>> Obviously if I am going to store a user's email address, username and
>>> password it has to be encrypted, but furthermore it has to be retrievable
>>> only by that user.
>>>
>>> --
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>>> Colby Consulting
>>>
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>>> when you do not believe in it
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>>> >
>>>
>>>
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>>> databaseadvisors.com <http://www.databaseadvisors.com>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Sat Jun  9 06:42:24 2012
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (rockysmolin at bchacc.com)
Date: Sat, 09 Jun 2012 04:42:24 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] New Computer Gives Error
Message-ID: <20120609044224.86c3debdd1c3983866efe200e2feb95f.159b9b34d5.wbe@email18.secureserver.net>

Dear List:

I am out of town until the 17th so figuring out what's wrong with an app
that has been running fine and now doesn't is awkward.  

The user got a new computer with (I think) W7 and new Office (but he
doesn't know which version) and sent me the screen shot he gets when he
tries to open the app.  

The error reads:"The expression you entered as the event property
setting produced the following error code: the code in this project must
be updated for use on 64-bit systems. Please review and update Declare
statements and then mark them with the PtrSafe attribute."

Is he running the 64-bit Office and needs to load 32-bit version
instead?  

MTIA,

Rocky



From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Sat Jun  9 07:01:58 2012
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (rockysmolin at bchacc.com)
Date: Sat, 09 Jun 2012 05:01:58 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] New Computer Gives Error
Message-ID: <20120609050158.86c3debdd1c3983866efe200e2feb95f.40e50b1ea0.wbe@email18.secureserver.net>

forgot to send plain text.

R



-------- Original Message --------
Subject: RE: [AccessD] New Computer Gives Error
From: <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
Date: Sat, June 09, 2012 5:01 am
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>

Further here are the Declares in the app - most are from the ADH 2003. 
Adding PtrSafe creates a compile error - So I'm thinking that's an
Access 2010 reserved word.


Declare Function adh_apiGetOpenFileName Lib "comdlg32.dll" _
 Alias "GetOpenFileNameA" (ofn As tagOPENFILENAME) As Boolean

Declare Function adh_apiGetSaveFileName Lib "comdlg32.dll" _
 Alias "GetSaveFileNameA" (ofn As tagOPENFILENAME) As Boolean


Declare Function ShellExecute Lib "shell32.dll" Alias _
   "ShellExecuteA" (ByVal hWnd As Long, ByVal lpOperation _
   As String, ByVal lpFile As String, ByVal lpParameters _
   As String, ByVal lpDirectory As String, ByVal nShowCmd _
   As Long) As Long
   

Private Declare Function ts_apiGetOpenFileName Lib "comdlg32.dll" _
 Alias "GetOpenFileNameA" (tsFN As tsFileName) As Boolean

Private Declare Function ts_apiGetSaveFileName Lib "comdlg32.dll" _
 Alias "GetSaveFileNameA" (tsFN As tsFileName) As Boolean

Private Declare Function CommDlgExtendedError Lib "comdlg32.dll" () As
Long


Private Declare Function SHGetPathFromIDList Lib "shell32.dll" _
 Alias "SHGetPathFromIDListA" (ByVal pidl As Long, _
 ByVal pszPath As String) As Long

Private Declare Function SHGetSpecialFolderLocation Lib "shell32.dll" _
 (ByVal hwndOwner As Long, ByVal nFolder As Long, _
 pidl As ITEMIDLIST) As Long

Private Declare Function SHBrowseForFolder Lib "shell32.dll" Alias _
 "SHBrowseForFolderA" (lpBrowseInfo As BROWSEINFO) As Long


Declare Function adh_apiDeleteDC Lib "gdi32" _
 Alias "DeleteDC" (ByVal hdc As Long) As Long
Declare Function adh_apiGetDeviceCaps Lib "gdi32" _
 Alias "GetDeviceCaps" (ByVal hdc As Long, _
 ByVal nIndex As Long) As Long
Declare Function adh_apiGetClientRect Lib "USER32" _
 Alias "GetClientRect" (ByVal hWnd As Long, _
 lpRect As adhTypeRect) As Long
Declare Function adh_apiIsIconic Lib "USER32" _
 Alias "IsIconic" (ByVal hWnd As Long) As Long
Declare Function adh_apiMoveWindow Lib "USER32" _
 Alias "MoveWindow" (ByVal hWnd As Long, _
 ByVal X As Long, ByVal Y As Long, ByVal nWidth As Long, _
 ByVal nHeight As Long, ByVal bRepaint As Long) As Long
Declare Function adh_apiGetSystemMetrics Lib "USER32" _
 Alias "GetSystemMetrics" (ByVal nIndex As Long) As Long
Declare Function adh_apiCreateIC Lib "gdi32" _
 Alias "CreateICA" (ByVal lpDriverName As String, _
 ByVal lpDeviceName As String, ByVal lpOutput As String, _
 lpInitData As Any) As Long
Declare Function adh_apiGetWindowRect Lib "USER32" _
 Alias "GetWindowRect" (ByVal hWnd As Long, _
 lpRect As adhTypeRect) As Long
Declare Function adh_apiGetParent Lib "USER32" _
 Alias "GetParent" (ByVal hWnd As Long) As Long
Declare Function adh_apiGetOpenFileName Lib "comdlg32.dll" _
 Alias "GetOpenFileNameA" (ofn As tagOPENFILENAME) As Boolean
Declare Function adh_apiGetSaveFileName Lib "comdlg32.dll" _
 Alias "GetSaveFileNameA" (ofn As tagOPENFILENAME) As Boolean
Declare Function CommDlgExtendedError Lib "comdlg32.dll" () As Long
Declare Function adhChooseCOlor Lib "msaccess.exe" _
 Alias "#53" (ByVal hWnd As Long, RGB As Long) As Long
 
Private Declare Function apiMessageBoxW Lib "user32.dll" Alias
"MessageBoxW" _
       (ByVal hWnd As Long, ByVal Txt As String, _
       ByVal Caption As String, ByVal Typ As Integer) As Integer


  -------- Original Message --------
 Subject: [AccessD] New Computer Gives Error
 From: <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
 Date: Sat, June 09, 2012 4:42 am
 To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
 <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
 
 Dear List:
 
 I am out of town until the 17th so figuring out what's wrong with an
app
 that has been running fine and now doesn't is awkward. 
 
 The user got a new computer with (I think) W7 and new Office (but he
 doesn't know which version) and sent me the screen shot he gets when he
 tries to open the app. 
 
 The error reads:"The expression you entered as the event property
 setting produced the following error code: the code in this project
must
 be updated for use on 64-bit systems. Please review and update Declare
 statements and then mark them with the PtrSafe attribute."
 
 Is he running the 64-bit Office and needs to load 32-bit version
 instead? 
 
 MTIA,
 
 Rocky
 
 
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 AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
 http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
 Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com



From djkr at msn.com  Sat Jun  9 07:13:32 2012
From: djkr at msn.com (DJK (John) Robinson)
Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2012 13:13:32 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] New Computer Gives Error
In-Reply-To: <20120609050158.86c3debdd1c3983866efe200e2feb95f.40e50b1ea0.wbe@email18.secureserver.net>
Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP1224D78DC7E5CD405F447E6D2F10@phx.gbl>

Rocky

I'm sure your analysis is correct - he's running 64-bit Office2010.  I've avoided it like the plague so can't guarantee
it.  But there's a couple of MSDN articles in this area:

http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ee691831.aspx
and
http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/gg278832.aspx

HTH
John


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
rockysmolin at bchacc.com
Sent: 09 June 2012 13:02
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] New Computer Gives Error


forgot to send plain text.

R



-------- Original Message --------
Subject: RE: [AccessD] New Computer Gives Error
From: <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
Date: Sat, June 09, 2012 5:01 am
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>

Further here are the Declares in the app - most are from the ADH 2003. 
Adding PtrSafe creates a compile error - So I'm thinking that's an Access 2010 reserved word.


Declare Function adh_apiGetOpenFileName Lib "comdlg32.dll" _  Alias "GetOpenFileNameA" (ofn As tagOPENFILENAME) As
Boolean

Declare Function adh_apiGetSaveFileName Lib "comdlg32.dll" _  Alias "GetSaveFileNameA" (ofn As tagOPENFILENAME) As
Boolean


Declare Function ShellExecute Lib "shell32.dll" Alias _
   "ShellExecuteA" (ByVal hWnd As Long, ByVal lpOperation _
   As String, ByVal lpFile As String, ByVal lpParameters _
   As String, ByVal lpDirectory As String, ByVal nShowCmd _
   As Long) As Long
   

Private Declare Function ts_apiGetOpenFileName Lib "comdlg32.dll" _  Alias "GetOpenFileNameA" (tsFN As tsFileName) As
Boolean

Private Declare Function ts_apiGetSaveFileName Lib "comdlg32.dll" _  Alias "GetSaveFileNameA" (tsFN As tsFileName) As
Boolean

Private Declare Function CommDlgExtendedError Lib "comdlg32.dll" () As Long


Private Declare Function SHGetPathFromIDList Lib "shell32.dll" _  Alias "SHGetPathFromIDListA" (ByVal pidl As Long, _
ByVal pszPath As String) As Long

Private Declare Function SHGetSpecialFolderLocation Lib "shell32.dll" _  (ByVal hwndOwner As Long, ByVal nFolder As
Long, _  pidl As ITEMIDLIST) As Long

Private Declare Function SHBrowseForFolder Lib "shell32.dll" Alias _  "SHBrowseForFolderA" (lpBrowseInfo As BROWSEINFO)
As Long


Declare Function adh_apiDeleteDC Lib "gdi32" _
 Alias "DeleteDC" (ByVal hdc As Long) As Long
Declare Function adh_apiGetDeviceCaps Lib "gdi32" _
 Alias "GetDeviceCaps" (ByVal hdc As Long, _
 ByVal nIndex As Long) As Long
Declare Function adh_apiGetClientRect Lib "USER32" _
 Alias "GetClientRect" (ByVal hWnd As Long, _
 lpRect As adhTypeRect) As Long
Declare Function adh_apiIsIconic Lib "USER32" _
 Alias "IsIconic" (ByVal hWnd As Long) As Long
Declare Function adh_apiMoveWindow Lib "USER32" _
 Alias "MoveWindow" (ByVal hWnd As Long, _
 ByVal X As Long, ByVal Y As Long, ByVal nWidth As Long, _  ByVal nHeight As Long, ByVal bRepaint As Long) As Long
Declare Function adh_apiGetSystemMetrics Lib "USER32" _  Alias "GetSystemMetrics" (ByVal nIndex As Long) As Long Declare
Function adh_apiCreateIC Lib "gdi32" _  Alias "CreateICA" (ByVal lpDriverName As String, _  ByVal lpDeviceName As
String, ByVal lpOutput As String, _  lpInitData As Any) As Long Declare Function adh_apiGetWindowRect Lib "USER32" _
Alias "GetWindowRect" (ByVal hWnd As Long, _  lpRect As adhTypeRect) As Long Declare Function adh_apiGetParent Lib
"USER32" _  Alias "GetParent" (ByVal hWnd As Long) As Long Declare Function adh_apiGetOpenFileName Lib "comdlg32.dll" _
Alias "GetOpenFileNameA" (ofn As tagOPENFILENAME) As Boolean Declare Function adh_apiGetSaveFileName Lib "comdlg32.dll"
_  Alias "GetSaveFileNameA" (ofn As tagOPENFILENAME) As Boolean Declare Function CommDlgExtendedError Lib "comdlg32.dll"
() As Long Declare Function adhChooseCOlor Lib "msaccess.exe" _  Alias "#53" (ByVal hWnd As Long, RGB As Long) As Long
 
Private Declare Function apiMessageBoxW Lib "user32.dll" Alias "MessageBoxW" _
       (ByVal hWnd As Long, ByVal Txt As String, _
       ByVal Caption As String, ByVal Typ As Integer) As Integer


  -------- Original Message --------
 Subject: [AccessD] New Computer Gives Error
 From: <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
 Date: Sat, June 09, 2012 4:42 am
 To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"  <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
 
 Dear List:
 
 I am out of town until the 17th so figuring out what's wrong with an app  that has been running fine and now doesn't is
awkward. 
 
 The user got a new computer with (I think) W7 and new Office (but he  doesn't know which version) and sent me the
screen shot he gets when he  tries to open the app. 
 
 The error reads:"The expression you entered as the event property  setting produced the following error code: the code
in this project must  be updated for use on 64-bit systems. Please review and update Declare  statements and then mark
them with the PtrSafe attribute."
 
 Is he running the 64-bit Office and needs to load 32-bit version  instead? 
 
 MTIA,
 
 Rocky
 
 
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 AccessD at databaseadvisors.com  http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
 Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com


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From vbacreations at gmail.com  Sat Jun  9 07:19:08 2012
From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson)
Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2012 08:19:08 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] New Computer Gives Error
In-Reply-To: <BLU0-SMTP1224D78DC7E5CD405F447E6D2F10@phx.gbl>
References: <20120609050158.86c3debdd1c3983866efe200e2feb95f.40e50b1ea0.wbe@email18.secureserver.net>
	<BLU0-SMTP1224D78DC7E5CD405F447E6D2F10@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <CAGuQ9V7MpZASmAGVH-=3ND5PvtGu3f0adQVa4F0_M5sYPah2Ow@mail.gmail.com>

Hard to comprehend MS has not built an interpreter that applies to 32 bit
or 64 bit. When I hear these stories I shake my head in disbelief.
On Jun 9, 2012 8:15 AM, "DJK (John) Robinson" <djkr at msn.com> wrote:

> Rocky
>
> I'm sure your analysis is correct - he's running 64-bit Office2010.  I've
> avoided it like the plague so can't guarantee
> it.  But there's a couple of MSDN articles in this area:
>
> http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ee691831.aspx
> and
> http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/gg278832.aspx
>
> HTH
> John
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:
> accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> rockysmolin at bchacc.com
> Sent: 09 June 2012 13:02
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] New Computer Gives Error
>
>
> forgot to send plain text.
>
> R
>
>
>
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] New Computer Gives Error
> From: <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
> Date: Sat, June 09, 2012 5:01 am
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" <
> accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>
> Further here are the Declares in the app - most are from the ADH 2003.
> Adding PtrSafe creates a compile error - So I'm thinking that's an Access
> 2010 reserved word.
>
>
> Declare Function adh_apiGetOpenFileName Lib "comdlg32.dll" _  Alias
> "GetOpenFileNameA" (ofn As tagOPENFILENAME) As
> Boolean
>
> Declare Function adh_apiGetSaveFileName Lib "comdlg32.dll" _  Alias
> "GetSaveFileNameA" (ofn As tagOPENFILENAME) As
> Boolean
>
>
> Declare Function ShellExecute Lib "shell32.dll" Alias _
>   "ShellExecuteA" (ByVal hWnd As Long, ByVal lpOperation _
>   As String, ByVal lpFile As String, ByVal lpParameters _
>   As String, ByVal lpDirectory As String, ByVal nShowCmd _
>   As Long) As Long
>
>
> Private Declare Function ts_apiGetOpenFileName Lib "comdlg32.dll" _  Alias
> "GetOpenFileNameA" (tsFN As tsFileName) As
> Boolean
>
> Private Declare Function ts_apiGetSaveFileName Lib "comdlg32.dll" _  Alias
> "GetSaveFileNameA" (tsFN As tsFileName) As
> Boolean
>
> Private Declare Function CommDlgExtendedError Lib "comdlg32.dll" () As Long
>
>
> Private Declare Function SHGetPathFromIDList Lib "shell32.dll" _  Alias
> "SHGetPathFromIDListA" (ByVal pidl As Long, _
> ByVal pszPath As String) As Long
>
> Private Declare Function SHGetSpecialFolderLocation Lib "shell32.dll" _
>  (ByVal hwndOwner As Long, ByVal nFolder As
> Long, _  pidl As ITEMIDLIST) As Long
>
> Private Declare Function SHBrowseForFolder Lib "shell32.dll" Alias _
>  "SHBrowseForFolderA" (lpBrowseInfo As BROWSEINFO)
> As Long
>
>
> Declare Function adh_apiDeleteDC Lib "gdi32" _
>  Alias "DeleteDC" (ByVal hdc As Long) As Long
> Declare Function adh_apiGetDeviceCaps Lib "gdi32" _
>  Alias "GetDeviceCaps" (ByVal hdc As Long, _
>  ByVal nIndex As Long) As Long
> Declare Function adh_apiGetClientRect Lib "USER32" _
>  Alias "GetClientRect" (ByVal hWnd As Long, _
>  lpRect As adhTypeRect) As Long
> Declare Function adh_apiIsIconic Lib "USER32" _
>  Alias "IsIconic" (ByVal hWnd As Long) As Long
> Declare Function adh_apiMoveWindow Lib "USER32" _
>  Alias "MoveWindow" (ByVal hWnd As Long, _
>  ByVal X As Long, ByVal Y As Long, ByVal nWidth As Long, _  ByVal nHeight
> As Long, ByVal bRepaint As Long) As Long
> Declare Function adh_apiGetSystemMetrics Lib "USER32" _  Alias
> "GetSystemMetrics" (ByVal nIndex As Long) As Long Declare
> Function adh_apiCreateIC Lib "gdi32" _  Alias "CreateICA" (ByVal
> lpDriverName As String, _  ByVal lpDeviceName As
> String, ByVal lpOutput As String, _  lpInitData As Any) As Long Declare
> Function adh_apiGetWindowRect Lib "USER32" _
> Alias "GetWindowRect" (ByVal hWnd As Long, _  lpRect As adhTypeRect) As
> Long Declare Function adh_apiGetParent Lib
> "USER32" _  Alias "GetParent" (ByVal hWnd As Long) As Long Declare
> Function adh_apiGetOpenFileName Lib "comdlg32.dll" _
> Alias "GetOpenFileNameA" (ofn As tagOPENFILENAME) As Boolean Declare
> Function adh_apiGetSaveFileName Lib "comdlg32.dll"
> _  Alias "GetSaveFileNameA" (ofn As tagOPENFILENAME) As Boolean Declare
> Function CommDlgExtendedError Lib "comdlg32.dll"
> () As Long Declare Function adhChooseCOlor Lib "msaccess.exe" _  Alias
> "#53" (ByVal hWnd As Long, RGB As Long) As Long
>
> Private Declare Function apiMessageBoxW Lib "user32.dll" Alias
> "MessageBoxW" _
>       (ByVal hWnd As Long, ByVal Txt As String, _
>       ByVal Caption As String, ByVal Typ As Integer) As Integer
>
>
>  -------- Original Message --------
>  Subject: [AccessD] New Computer Gives Error
>  From: <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
>  Date: Sat, June 09, 2012 4:42 am
>  To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"  <
> accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>
>  Dear List:
>
>  I am out of town until the 17th so figuring out what's wrong with an app
>  that has been running fine and now doesn't is
> awkward.
>
>  The user got a new computer with (I think) W7 and new Office (but he
>  doesn't know which version) and sent me the
> screen shot he gets when he  tries to open the app.
>
>  The error reads:"The expression you entered as the event property
>  setting produced the following error code: the code
> in this project must  be updated for use on 64-bit systems. Please review
> and update Declare  statements and then mark
> them with the PtrSafe attribute."
>
>  Is he running the 64-bit Office and needs to load 32-bit version  instead?
>
>  MTIA,
>
>  Rocky
>
>
>  --
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>
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sat Jun  9 08:13:17 2012
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Sat, 09 Jun 2012 09:13:17 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Good price on disk
Message-ID: <4FD34BED.7040300@colbyconsulting.com>

The 2 gb models are finally arriving.  I found this one with a $20 coupon good for another week 
which makes it $110.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822145369.

I have ordered 4 of them for a raid 5 array for my MV server.  We'll see how long they last.

-- 
John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it


From marksimms at verizon.net  Sat Jun  9 08:25:28 2012
From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms)
Date: Sat, 09 Jun 2012 09:25:28 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] New Computer Gives Error
In-Reply-To: <CAGuQ9V7MpZASmAGVH-=3ND5PvtGu3f0adQVa4F0_M5sYPah2Ow@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20120609050158.86c3debdd1c3983866efe200e2feb95f.40e50b1ea0.wbe@email18.secureserver.net>
	<BLU0-SMTP1224D78DC7E5CD405F447E6D2F10@phx.gbl>
	<CAGuQ9V7MpZASmAGVH-=3ND5PvtGu3f0adQVa4F0_M5sYPah2Ow@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <004a01cd4643$5693eaa0$03bbbfe0$@net>

Not surprising with Balmer running things up there.

>
> Hard to comprehend MS has not built an interpreter that applies to 32
> bit
> or 64 bit. When I hear these stories I shake my head in disbelief.
> On Jun 9, 2012 8:15 AM, "DJK (John) Robinson" <djkr at msn.com> wrote:



From marksimms at verizon.net  Sat Jun  9 08:44:46 2012
From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms)
Date: Sat, 09 Jun 2012 09:44:46 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Dvorak's rant on Windows 8
In-Reply-To: <CAGuQ9V78YDSt5N=A7S6u3h1OBpiwxCcGf1gWkXt54Rau1N3E5Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1339180396.342687334@f275.mail.ru>
	<009701cd4052$581835d0$0848a170$@net>
	<E1SakDG-0001Wj-Jk.mcp2004-mail-ru@f150.mail.ru>
	<2A16EBA3-8E7A-4795-888A-2EFEF016133C@phulse.com>
	<501C259E-E9EB-49D5-B8F5-F8A856FC98FD@phulse.com>
	<1339183962.472592226@f300.mail.ru>
	<CAGuQ9V78YDSt5N=A7S6u3h1OBpiwxCcGf1gWkXt54Rau1N3E5Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <004b01cd4646$090aa500$1b1fef00$@net>

With the lack of any VBA enhancements in years other than the 64 bit support, 
this is very, very doubtful IMHO.

> I really need mobiles smd portables to run office vba with full MS
> Office object model... will they ever?



From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Sat Jun  9 09:32:13 2012
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (rockysmolin at bchacc.com)
Date: Sat, 09 Jun 2012 07:32:13 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] New Computer Gives Error
Message-ID: <20120609073213.86c3debdd1c3983866efe200e2feb95f.39e960ec0f.wbe@email18.secureserver.net>

Thanks John.  Will Forward.

Rocky

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: [AccessD] New Computer Gives Error
From: "DJK (John) Robinson" <djkr at msn.com>
Date: Sat, June 09, 2012 5:13 am
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>

Rocky

I'm sure your analysis is correct - he's running 64-bit Office2010. I've
avoided it like the plague so can't guarantee
it. But there's a couple of MSDN articles in this area:

http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ee691831.aspx
and
http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/gg278832.aspx

HTH
John


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
rockysmolin at bchacc.com
Sent: 09 June 2012 13:02
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] New Computer Gives Error


forgot to send plain text.

R



-------- Original Message --------
Subject: RE: [AccessD] New Computer Gives Error
From: <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
Date: Sat, June 09, 2012 5:01 am
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>

Further here are the Declares in the app - most are from the ADH 2003. 
Adding PtrSafe creates a compile error - So I'm thinking that's an
Access 2010 reserved word.


Declare Function adh_apiGetOpenFileName Lib "comdlg32.dll" _ Alias
"GetOpenFileNameA" (ofn As tagOPENFILENAME) As
Boolean

Declare Function adh_apiGetSaveFileName Lib "comdlg32.dll" _ Alias
"GetSaveFileNameA" (ofn As tagOPENFILENAME) As
Boolean


Declare Function ShellExecute Lib "shell32.dll" Alias _
 "ShellExecuteA" (ByVal hWnd As Long, ByVal lpOperation _
 As String, ByVal lpFile As String, ByVal lpParameters _
 As String, ByVal lpDirectory As String, ByVal nShowCmd _
 As Long) As Long
 

Private Declare Function ts_apiGetOpenFileName Lib "comdlg32.dll" _
Alias "GetOpenFileNameA" (tsFN As tsFileName) As
Boolean

Private Declare Function ts_apiGetSaveFileName Lib "comdlg32.dll" _
Alias "GetSaveFileNameA" (tsFN As tsFileName) As
Boolean

Private Declare Function CommDlgExtendedError Lib "comdlg32.dll" () As
Long


Private Declare Function SHGetPathFromIDList Lib "shell32.dll" _ Alias
"SHGetPathFromIDListA" (ByVal pidl As Long, _
ByVal pszPath As String) As Long

Private Declare Function SHGetSpecialFolderLocation Lib "shell32.dll" _
(ByVal hwndOwner As Long, ByVal nFolder As
Long, _ pidl As ITEMIDLIST) As Long

Private Declare Function SHBrowseForFolder Lib "shell32.dll" Alias _
"SHBrowseForFolderA" (lpBrowseInfo As BROWSEINFO)
As Long


Declare Function adh_apiDeleteDC Lib "gdi32" _
 Alias "DeleteDC" (ByVal hdc As Long) As Long
Declare Function adh_apiGetDeviceCaps Lib "gdi32" _
 Alias "GetDeviceCaps" (ByVal hdc As Long, _
 ByVal nIndex As Long) As Long
Declare Function adh_apiGetClientRect Lib "USER32" _
 Alias "GetClientRect" (ByVal hWnd As Long, _
 lpRect As adhTypeRect) As Long
Declare Function adh_apiIsIconic Lib "USER32" _
 Alias "IsIconic" (ByVal hWnd As Long) As Long
Declare Function adh_apiMoveWindow Lib "USER32" _
 Alias "MoveWindow" (ByVal hWnd As Long, _
 ByVal X As Long, ByVal Y As Long, ByVal nWidth As Long, _ ByVal nHeight
As Long, ByVal bRepaint As Long) As Long
Declare Function adh_apiGetSystemMetrics Lib "USER32" _ Alias
"GetSystemMetrics" (ByVal nIndex As Long) As Long Declare
Function adh_apiCreateIC Lib "gdi32" _ Alias "CreateICA" (ByVal
lpDriverName As String, _ ByVal lpDeviceName As
String, ByVal lpOutput As String, _ lpInitData As Any) As Long Declare
Function adh_apiGetWindowRect Lib "USER32" _
Alias "GetWindowRect" (ByVal hWnd As Long, _ lpRect As adhTypeRect) As
Long Declare Function adh_apiGetParent Lib
"USER32" _ Alias "GetParent" (ByVal hWnd As Long) As Long Declare
Function adh_apiGetOpenFileName Lib "comdlg32.dll" _
Alias "GetOpenFileNameA" (ofn As tagOPENFILENAME) As Boolean Declare
Function adh_apiGetSaveFileName Lib "comdlg32.dll"
_ Alias "GetSaveFileNameA" (ofn As tagOPENFILENAME) As Boolean Declare
Function CommDlgExtendedError Lib "comdlg32.dll"
() As Long Declare Function adhChooseCOlor Lib "msaccess.exe" _ Alias
"#53" (ByVal hWnd As Long, RGB As Long) As Long
 
Private Declare Function apiMessageBoxW Lib "user32.dll" Alias
"MessageBoxW" _
 (ByVal hWnd As Long, ByVal Txt As String, _
 ByVal Caption As String, ByVal Typ As Integer) As Integer


 -------- Original Message --------
 Subject: [AccessD] New Computer Gives Error
 From: <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
 Date: Sat, June 09, 2012 4:42 am
 To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
 
 Dear List:
 
 I am out of town until the 17th so figuring out what's wrong with an
app that has been running fine and now doesn't is
awkward. 
 
 The user got a new computer with (I think) W7 and new Office (but he
doesn't know which version) and sent me the
screen shot he gets when he tries to open the app. 
 
 The error reads:"The expression you entered as the event property
setting produced the following error code: the code
in this project must be updated for use on 64-bit systems. Please review
and update Declare statements and then mark
them with the PtrSafe attribute."
 
 Is he running the 64-bit Office and needs to load 32-bit version
instead? 
 
 MTIA,
 
 Rocky
 
 
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Sat Jun  9 12:52:31 2012
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2012 10:52:31 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] New Computer Gives Error
In-Reply-To: <20120609044224.86c3debdd1c3983866efe200e2feb95f.159b9b34d5.wbe@email18.secureserver.net>
References: <20120609044224.86c3debdd1c3983866efe200e2feb95f.159b9b34d5.wbe@email18.secureserver.net>
Message-ID: <0E00537083E84B88AC6AB32902852BF0@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Hi Rocky:

Off the top Rocky, it sounds like he has installed the barebones Windows7
version, on to a 64 bit piece of hardware. 

The low end Windows 64bit products do not have backward capability for 32bit
software when they are running in 64bit mode. He should upgrade to Premium
minimum or/and then there is a Microsoft patch at:
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/virtual-pc/download.aspx

Note: Your version of Access may also be incompatible with the latest
versions of Office.
  
Good luck
Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
rockysmolin at bchacc.com
Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2012 4:42 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] New Computer Gives Error

Dear List:

I am out of town until the 17th so figuring out what's wrong with an app
that has been running fine and now doesn't is awkward.  

The user got a new computer with (I think) W7 and new Office (but he
doesn't know which version) and sent me the screen shot he gets when he
tries to open the app.  

The error reads:"The expression you entered as the event property
setting produced the following error code: the code in this project must
be updated for use on 64-bit systems. Please review and update Declare
statements and then mark them with the PtrSafe attribute."

Is he running the 64-bit Office and needs to load 32-bit version
instead?  

MTIA,

Rocky


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From accessd at shaw.ca  Sat Jun  9 12:54:28 2012
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2012 10:54:28 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Good price on disk
In-Reply-To: <4FD34BED.7040300@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4FD34BED.7040300@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <8B2F9BBB7B7A4673B470EBA09B31D24D@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Hi John:

What makes these HDs better?

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2012 6:13 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Good price on disk

The 2 gb models are finally arriving.  I found this one with a $20 coupon
good for another week 
which makes it $110.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822145369.

I have ordered 4 of them for a raid 5 array for my MV server.  We'll see how
long they last.

-- 
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Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

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From accessd at shaw.ca  Sat Jun  9 12:59:56 2012
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2012 10:59:56 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] New Computer Gives Error
In-Reply-To: <004a01cd4643$5693eaa0$03bbbfe0$@net>
References: <20120609050158.86c3debdd1c3983866efe200e2feb95f.40e50b1ea0.wbe@email18.secureserver.net><BLU0-SMTP1224D78DC7E5CD405F447E6D2F10@phx.gbl><CAGuQ9V7MpZASmAGVH-=3ND5PvtGu3f0adQVa4F0_M5sYPah2Ow@mail.gmail.com>
	<004a01cd4643$5693eaa0$03bbbfe0$@net>
Message-ID: <8D898EC512E74D1F8E32E2C38E868B96@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Microsoft really wants to break with supporting backward compatibles. 

It is time for us to step up buy new hardware, new software (or in our cases
re-write it) and buy a new OS, like Win8. They are tired of supporting all
these dead-beats, still running XP stuff and anyway they need the money.

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Simms
Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2012 6:25 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] New Computer Gives Error

Not surprising with Balmer running things up there.

>
> Hard to comprehend MS has not built an interpreter that applies to 32
> bit
> or 64 bit. When I hear these stories I shake my head in disbelief.
> On Jun 9, 2012 8:15 AM, "DJK (John) Robinson" <djkr at msn.com> wrote:


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From df.waters at comcast.net  Sat Jun  9 14:12:48 2012
From: df.waters at comcast.net (Dan Waters)
Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2012 14:12:48 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Good price on disk
In-Reply-To: <4FD34BED.7040300@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4FD34BED.7040300@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <002701cd4673$dbc449b0$934cdd10$@comcast.net>

These are 3 Gb/sec drives.  For your large data handling, you may want a 6
Gb/sec drive instead.

Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2012 8:13 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Good price on disk

The 2 gb models are finally arriving.  I found this one with a $20 coupon
good for another week which makes it $110.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822145369.

I have ordered 4 of them for a raid 5 array for my MV server.  We'll see how
long they last.

--
John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Sat Jun  9 16:35:08 2012
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2012 07:35:08 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] New Computer Gives Error
In-Reply-To: <20120609050158.86c3debdd1c3983866efe200e2feb95f.40e50b1ea0.wbe@email18.secureserver.net>
References: <20120609050158.86c3debdd1c3983866efe200e2feb95f.40e50b1ea0.wbe@email18.secureserver.net>
Message-ID: <4FD3C18C.25019.375FF652@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

Yep, 64bit Office with calls toi 32bit API functions is the problem.

The fix is fairly simple.  Here's a example of what you need to do (from one of my apps using 
similar functions).

#If VBA7 Then

Private Declare PtrSafe Function GetTempPath Lib "kernel32" Alias "GetTempPathA" _
        (ByVal nBufferLength As Long, ByVal lpBuffer As String) As Long

Declare PtrSafe Function GetOpenFileName Lib "comdlg32.dll" Alias _
        "GetOpenFileNameA" (pOpenfilename As OPENFILENAME) As Long

Private Declare PtrSafe Function apiGetUserName Lib "advapi32.dll" Alias _
        "GetUserNameA" (ByVal lpBuffer As String, nSize As Long) As Long

Public Declare PtrSafe Function ShellExecute Lib "SHELL32.DLL" Alias _
     "ShellExecuteA" (ByVal hwnd As Long, ByVal lpOperation As String, _
    ByVal lpFile As String, ByVal lpParameters As String, ByVal lpDirectory As String, ByVal 
nShowCmd As Long) As Long

#Else

Declare Function GetOpenFileName Lib "comdlg32.dll" Alias _
    GetOpenFileNameA" (pOpenfilename As OPENFILENAME) As Long

Private Declare Function apiGetUserName Lib "advapi32.dll" Alias _
    "GetUserNameA" (ByVal lpBuffer As String, nSize As Long) As Long

Public Declare Function ShellExecute Lib "SHELL32.DLL" Alias _
    "ShellExecuteA" (ByVal hwnd As Long, ByVal lpOperation As String, _
     ByVal lpFile As String, ByVal lpParameters As String, ByVal lpDirectory As String, ByVal 
nShowCmd As Long) As Long  

#End If




On 9 Jun 2012 at 5:01, rockysmolin at bchacc.com wrote:

> forgot to send plain text.
> 
> R
> 
> 
> 
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] New Computer Gives Error
> From: <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
> Date: Sat, June 09, 2012 5:01 am
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> 
> Further here are the Declares in the app - most are from the ADH 2003. 
> Adding PtrSafe creates a compile error - So I'm thinking that's an
> Access 2010 reserved word.
> 
> 
> Declare Function adh_apiGetOpenFileName Lib "comdlg32.dll" _
>  Alias "GetOpenFileNameA" (ofn As tagOPENFILENAME) As Boolean
> 
> Declare Function adh_apiGetSaveFileName Lib "comdlg32.dll" _
>  Alias "GetSaveFileNameA" (ofn As tagOPENFILENAME) As Boolean
> 
> 
> Declare Function ShellExecute Lib "shell32.dll" Alias _
>    "ShellExecuteA" (ByVal hWnd As Long, ByVal lpOperation _
>    As String, ByVal lpFile As String, ByVal lpParameters _
>    As String, ByVal lpDirectory As String, ByVal nShowCmd _
>    As Long) As Long
>    
> 
> Private Declare Function ts_apiGetOpenFileName Lib "comdlg32.dll" _
>  Alias "GetOpenFileNameA" (tsFN As tsFileName) As Boolean
> 
> Private Declare Function ts_apiGetSaveFileName Lib "comdlg32.dll" _
>  Alias "GetSaveFileNameA" (tsFN As tsFileName) As Boolean
> 
> Private Declare Function CommDlgExtendedError Lib "comdlg32.dll" () As
> Long
> 
> 
> Private Declare Function SHGetPathFromIDList Lib "shell32.dll" _
>  Alias "SHGetPathFromIDListA" (ByVal pidl As Long, _
>  ByVal pszPath As String) As Long
> 
> Private Declare Function SHGetSpecialFolderLocation Lib "shell32.dll" _
>  (ByVal hwndOwner As Long, ByVal nFolder As Long, _
>  pidl As ITEMIDLIST) As Long
> 
> Private Declare Function SHBrowseForFolder Lib "shell32.dll" Alias _
>  "SHBrowseForFolderA" (lpBrowseInfo As BROWSEINFO) As Long
> 
> 
> Declare Function adh_apiDeleteDC Lib "gdi32" _
>  Alias "DeleteDC" (ByVal hdc As Long) As Long
> Declare Function adh_apiGetDeviceCaps Lib "gdi32" _
>  Alias "GetDeviceCaps" (ByVal hdc As Long, _
>  ByVal nIndex As Long) As Long
> Declare Function adh_apiGetClientRect Lib "USER32" _
>  Alias "GetClientRect" (ByVal hWnd As Long, _
>  lpRect As adhTypeRect) As Long
> Declare Function adh_apiIsIconic Lib "USER32" _
>  Alias "IsIconic" (ByVal hWnd As Long) As Long
> Declare Function adh_apiMoveWindow Lib "USER32" _
>  Alias "MoveWindow" (ByVal hWnd As Long, _
>  ByVal X As Long, ByVal Y As Long, ByVal nWidth As Long, _
>  ByVal nHeight As Long, ByVal bRepaint As Long) As Long
> Declare Function adh_apiGetSystemMetrics Lib "USER32" _
>  Alias "GetSystemMetrics" (ByVal nIndex As Long) As Long
> Declare Function adh_apiCreateIC Lib "gdi32" _
>  Alias "CreateICA" (ByVal lpDriverName As String, _
>  ByVal lpDeviceName As String, ByVal lpOutput As String, _
>  lpInitData As Any) As Long
> Declare Function adh_apiGetWindowRect Lib "USER32" _
>  Alias "GetWindowRect" (ByVal hWnd As Long, _
>  lpRect As adhTypeRect) As Long
> Declare Function adh_apiGetParent Lib "USER32" _
>  Alias "GetParent" (ByVal hWnd As Long) As Long
> Declare Function adh_apiGetOpenFileName Lib "comdlg32.dll" _
>  Alias "GetOpenFileNameA" (ofn As tagOPENFILENAME) As Boolean
> Declare Function adh_apiGetSaveFileName Lib "comdlg32.dll" _
>  Alias "GetSaveFileNameA" (ofn As tagOPENFILENAME) As Boolean
> Declare Function CommDlgExtendedError Lib "comdlg32.dll" () As Long
> Declare Function adhChooseCOlor Lib "msaccess.exe" _
>  Alias "#53" (ByVal hWnd As Long, RGB As Long) As Long
>  
> Private Declare Function apiMessageBoxW Lib "user32.dll" Alias
> "MessageBoxW" _
>        (ByVal hWnd As Long, ByVal Txt As String, _
>        ByVal Caption As String, ByVal Typ As Integer) As Integer
> 
> 
>   -------- Original Message --------
>  Subject: [AccessD] New Computer Gives Error
>  From: <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
>  Date: Sat, June 09, 2012 4:42 am
>  To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
>  <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>  
>  Dear List:
>  
>  I am out of town until the 17th so figuring out what's wrong with an
> app
>  that has been running fine and now doesn't is awkward. 
>  
>  The user got a new computer with (I think) W7 and new Office (but he
>  doesn't know which version) and sent me the screen shot he gets when he
>  tries to open the app. 
>  
>  The error reads:"The expression you entered as the event property
>  setting produced the following error code: the code in this project
> must
>  be updated for use on 64-bit systems. Please review and update Declare
>  statements and then mark them with the PtrSafe attribute."
>  
>  Is he running the 64-bit Office and needs to load 32-bit version
>  instead? 
>  
>  MTIA,
>  
>  Rocky
>  
>  
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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Sat Jun  9 19:00:21 2012
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2012 20:00:21 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] New Computer Gives Error
In-Reply-To: <4FD3C18C.25019.375FF652@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <20120609050158.86c3debdd1c3983866efe200e2feb95f.40e50b1ea0.wbe@email18.secureserver.net>
	<4FD3C18C.25019.375FF652@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1j1iccMxykwQenUBt1Lpd=GhzYghTYBXsNrQj5Pd8qiyg@mail.gmail.com>

Stuart, you are clearly a smart guy and I am not, so please forgive my
stupid question. Here is what I am trying to, so far without success.
Within Access, I open a report (could be in Excel or Word) and then I want
to bring up the FileSaveAs dialog. I have tried about 108 variations on the
code, and still no joy. You are the sharp knife in the drawer, please tell
me how to do this. Here's the scenario. I create an Excel object and add
stuff to it, all piped from Access. That part is cool, works perfectly. But
then I need to offer the user the chance to save said XLS file to anywhere
she wishes. I am flummoxed. I've looked at various snips from ADH etc.
without enlightenment. If you can tell me how to do this, I would be most
grateful.

A.

From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Sat Jun  9 19:21:02 2012
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2012 10:21:02 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] New Computer Gives Error
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Hi Arthur,


Not sure what you meann by " Within Access, I open a report (could be in Excel or Word) "

Can you send me (off-list) a copy of  a module where you are creating and populating an 
Excel object?


-- 
Stuart

On 9 Jun 2012 at 20:00, Arthur Fuller wrote:

> Stuart, you are clearly a smart guy and I am not, so please forgive my
> stupid question. Here is what I am trying to, so far without success.
> Within Access, I open a report (could be in Excel or Word) and then I want
> to bring up the FileSaveAs dialog. I have tried about 108 variations on the
> code, and still no joy. You are the sharp knife in the drawer, please tell
> me how to do this. Here's the scenario. I create an Excel object and add
> stuff to it, all piped from Access. That part is cool, works perfectly. But
> then I need to offer the user the chance to save said XLS file to anywhere
> she wishes. I am flummoxed. I've looked at various snips from ADH etc.
> without enlightenment. If you can tell me how to do this, I would be most
> grateful.
> 
> A.
> -- 
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> 

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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Sat Jun  9 19:29:13 2012
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2012 20:29:13 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Dvorak's rant on Windows 8
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Obviously I am far and away out of my league in this discussion, so I think
the best policy is to shut up and watch the intelligentsia wage their wars.
I can't afford lunch tomorrow, let alone another computer. I'm happy for
you people who can, seriously. I am not suffering techno-envy, my stupid
little two boxes one running Mint and the other WIndows 7 Ultimate, that's
all I have and it shall suffice. I read stuff from JWC and he's got more
boxes and RAM on them all than I could ever dream of, but that's ok. He
works hard and makes money and all that is totally OK. Not a problem in the
world with his doing well. I mean, if anyone in this community has given
back, it's JWC! He has done more for this community than pretty much anyone
else I could name.

All that said, I have only two boxes, one dedicated to Mint 11 and the
other to Windows 7 64-bit. with a mere 4 gigs of RAM in both. This is the
sad story of my life. Oh, I forgot. I have a KVM that enables me to swap
from this box to that, since I cannot afford separate keyboards, mice and
monitors. so I have to swap among them, but hey, KVM is pretty cool, given
my extremely limited resources. I'm about to purchase a third box, and my
KVM can actually support that new baby and two more. And the best thing is
that my heating bill is included in my rent, so in theory I could have 100
computers here, and not pay even a nickel extra in rent or hydro bills. Woo
hoo! In addition, I'm probably not going to live even 24 more years, so
that's that. Call me Toast. I'll be off this planet soon.

A.

From df.waters at comcast.net  Sat Jun  9 22:44:12 2012
From: df.waters at comcast.net (Dan Waters)
Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2012 22:44:12 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] New Computer Gives Error
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Hi Arthur,

This might help.  I got this code from somewhere long ago and it works well.
This will cause the user to select a folder, which will give you the full
path to that folder, which you can then use to save a file.

Good Luck!
Dan 

'----------------

Private CallingProcedure()

    Dim stgFullPath

    stgFullPath = GetFolder

    '-- Now you can save a spreadsheet to the user-selected folder using
DoCmd.TransferSpreadsheet

End Sub

'----------------
Public Declare Function SHBrowseForFolder Lib "shell32.dll" Alias
"SHBrowseForFolderA" (lpBrowseInfo As BROWSEINFO) As Long

Public Declare Function SHGetPathFromIDList Lib "shell32.dll" Alias
"SHGetPathFromIDListA" (ByVal pidl As Long, ByVal pszPath As String) As Long
    
Public Declare Sub CoTaskMemFree Lib "ole32.dll" (ByVal pv As Long)

Public Type BROWSEINFO    'BI
    hOwner As Long
    pidlRoot As Long
    pszDisplayName As String
    lpszTitle As String
    ulFlags As Long
    lpfn As Long
    lParam As Long
    iImage As Long
End Type

Public Function GetFolder() As String

    Dim lngPidl As Long
    Dim BI As BROWSEINFO
    Dim stgPath As String
    Dim intPos As Integer
    Dim stgGetFolder As String
    
    '-- Fill BROWSEINFO structure data
    With BI
        .hOwner = 0
        .pidlRoot = 0
        .lpszTitle = "Browsing"
        .ulFlags = 1
        .pszDisplayName = Space$(260)
    End With
    
    '-- show dialog returning pidl to selected item
    lngPidl = SHBrowseForFolder(BI)
    
    '-- if pidl is valid, parse & return the user's selection
    stgPath = Space$(260)
    
    If SHGetPathFromIDList(ByVal lngPidl, ByVal stgPath) Then
    
        '-- SHGetPathFromIDList returns the absolute path to the selected
item. No path is returned for virtual folders.
        intPos = InStr(stgPath, Chr$(0))
        If intPos Then stgGetFolder = Left(stgPath, intPos - 1)
    
        '-- If a drive is selected then '\' is included in the string, but
if a folder is selected then '\' is not included.
        If InStrRev(stgGetFolder, "\") <> Len(stgGetFolder) Then
            stgGetFolder = stgGetFolder & "\"
        End If
    
    Else
    
        stgGetFolder = ""
        
    End If
    
    GetFolder = stgGetFolder
    
    '-- free the pidl
    Call CoTaskMemFree(lngPidl)
   
End Function
'--------------------

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2012 7:00 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] New Computer Gives Error

Stuart, you are clearly a smart guy and I am not, so please forgive my
stupid question. Here is what I am trying to, so far without success.
Within Access, I open a report (could be in Excel or Word) and then I want
to bring up the FileSaveAs dialog. I have tried about 108 variations on the
code, and still no joy. You are the sharp knife in the drawer, please tell
me how to do this. Here's the scenario. I create an Excel object and add
stuff to it, all piped from Access. That part is cool, works perfectly. But
then I need to offer the user the chance to save said XLS file to anywhere
she wishes. I am flummoxed. I've looked at various snips from ADH etc.
without enlightenment. If you can tell me how to do this, I would be most
grateful.

A.
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Sat Jun  9 22:49:56 2012
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (rockysmolin at bchacc.com)
Date: Sat, 09 Jun 2012 20:49:56 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] New Computer Gives Error
Message-ID: <20120609204956.86c3debdd1c3983866efe200e2feb95f.83818a9f8b.wbe@email18.secureserver.net>

Thanks Stuart.  I guess I'll have to build an Office 64 box for testing,
though.
Rocky



-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: [AccessD] New Computer Gives Error
From: "Stuart McLachlan" <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg>
Date: Sat, June 09, 2012 2:35 pm
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>

Yep, 64bit Office with calls toi 32bit API functions is the problem.

The fix is fairly simple. Here's a example of what you need to do (from
one of my apps using 
similar functions).

#If VBA7 Then

Private Declare PtrSafe Function GetTempPath Lib "kernel32" Alias
"GetTempPathA" _
 (ByVal nBufferLength As Long, ByVal lpBuffer As String) As Long

Declare PtrSafe Function GetOpenFileName Lib "comdlg32.dll" Alias _
 "GetOpenFileNameA" (pOpenfilename As OPENFILENAME) As Long

Private Declare PtrSafe Function apiGetUserName Lib "advapi32.dll" Alias
_
 "GetUserNameA" (ByVal lpBuffer As String, nSize As Long) As Long

Public Declare PtrSafe Function ShellExecute Lib "SHELL32.DLL" Alias _
 "ShellExecuteA" (ByVal hwnd As Long, ByVal lpOperation As String, _
 ByVal lpFile As String, ByVal lpParameters As String, ByVal lpDirectory
As String, ByVal 
nShowCmd As Long) As Long

#Else

Declare Function GetOpenFileName Lib "comdlg32.dll" Alias _
 GetOpenFileNameA" (pOpenfilename As OPENFILENAME) As Long

Private Declare Function apiGetUserName Lib "advapi32.dll" Alias _
 "GetUserNameA" (ByVal lpBuffer As String, nSize As Long) As Long

Public Declare Function ShellExecute Lib "SHELL32.DLL" Alias _
 "ShellExecuteA" (ByVal hwnd As Long, ByVal lpOperation As String, _
 ByVal lpFile As String, ByVal lpParameters As String, ByVal lpDirectory
As String, ByVal 
nShowCmd As Long) As Long 

#End If




On 9 Jun 2012 at 5:01, rockysmolin at bchacc.com wrote:

> forgot to send plain text.
> 
> R
> 
> 
> 
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] New Computer Gives Error
> From: <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
> Date: Sat, June 09, 2012 5:01 am
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> 
> Further here are the Declares in the app - most are from the ADH 2003. 
> Adding PtrSafe creates a compile error - So I'm thinking that's an
> Access 2010 reserved word.
> 
> 
> Declare Function adh_apiGetOpenFileName Lib "comdlg32.dll" _
> Alias "GetOpenFileNameA" (ofn As tagOPENFILENAME) As Boolean
> 
> Declare Function adh_apiGetSaveFileName Lib "comdlg32.dll" _
> Alias "GetSaveFileNameA" (ofn As tagOPENFILENAME) As Boolean
> 
> 
> Declare Function ShellExecute Lib "shell32.dll" Alias _
> "ShellExecuteA" (ByVal hWnd As Long, ByVal lpOperation _
> As String, ByVal lpFile As String, ByVal lpParameters _
> As String, ByVal lpDirectory As String, ByVal nShowCmd _
> As Long) As Long
> 
> 
> Private Declare Function ts_apiGetOpenFileName Lib "comdlg32.dll" _
> Alias "GetOpenFileNameA" (tsFN As tsFileName) As Boolean
> 
> Private Declare Function ts_apiGetSaveFileName Lib "comdlg32.dll" _
> Alias "GetSaveFileNameA" (tsFN As tsFileName) As Boolean
> 
> Private Declare Function CommDlgExtendedError Lib "comdlg32.dll" () As
> Long
> 
> 
> Private Declare Function SHGetPathFromIDList Lib "shell32.dll" _
> Alias "SHGetPathFromIDListA" (ByVal pidl As Long, _
> ByVal pszPath As String) As Long
> 
> Private Declare Function SHGetSpecialFolderLocation Lib "shell32.dll" _
> (ByVal hwndOwner As Long, ByVal nFolder As Long, _
> pidl As ITEMIDLIST) As Long
> 
> Private Declare Function SHBrowseForFolder Lib "shell32.dll" Alias _
> "SHBrowseForFolderA" (lpBrowseInfo As BROWSEINFO) As Long
> 
> 
> Declare Function adh_apiDeleteDC Lib "gdi32" _
> Alias "DeleteDC" (ByVal hdc As Long) As Long
> Declare Function adh_apiGetDeviceCaps Lib "gdi32" _
> Alias "GetDeviceCaps" (ByVal hdc As Long, _
> ByVal nIndex As Long) As Long
> Declare Function adh_apiGetClientRect Lib "USER32" _
> Alias "GetClientRect" (ByVal hWnd As Long, _
> lpRect As adhTypeRect) As Long
> Declare Function adh_apiIsIconic Lib "USER32" _
> Alias "IsIconic" (ByVal hWnd As Long) As Long
> Declare Function adh_apiMoveWindow Lib "USER32" _
> Alias "MoveWindow" (ByVal hWnd As Long, _
> ByVal X As Long, ByVal Y As Long, ByVal nWidth As Long, _
> ByVal nHeight As Long, ByVal bRepaint As Long) As Long
> Declare Function adh_apiGetSystemMetrics Lib "USER32" _
> Alias "GetSystemMetrics" (ByVal nIndex As Long) As Long
> Declare Function adh_apiCreateIC Lib "gdi32" _
> Alias "CreateICA" (ByVal lpDriverName As String, _
> ByVal lpDeviceName As String, ByVal lpOutput As String, _
> lpInitData As Any) As Long
> Declare Function adh_apiGetWindowRect Lib "USER32" _
> Alias "GetWindowRect" (ByVal hWnd As Long, _
> lpRect As adhTypeRect) As Long
> Declare Function adh_apiGetParent Lib "USER32" _
> Alias "GetParent" (ByVal hWnd As Long) As Long
> Declare Function adh_apiGetOpenFileName Lib "comdlg32.dll" _
> Alias "GetOpenFileNameA" (ofn As tagOPENFILENAME) As Boolean
> Declare Function adh_apiGetSaveFileName Lib "comdlg32.dll" _
> Alias "GetSaveFileNameA" (ofn As tagOPENFILENAME) As Boolean
> Declare Function CommDlgExtendedError Lib "comdlg32.dll" () As Long
> Declare Function adhChooseCOlor Lib "msaccess.exe" _
> Alias "#53" (ByVal hWnd As Long, RGB As Long) As Long
> 
> Private Declare Function apiMessageBoxW Lib "user32.dll" Alias
> "MessageBoxW" _
> (ByVal hWnd As Long, ByVal Txt As String, _
> ByVal Caption As String, ByVal Typ As Integer) As Integer
> 
> 
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: [AccessD] New Computer Gives Error
> From: <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
> Date: Sat, June 09, 2012 4:42 am
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> 
> Dear List:
> 
> I am out of town until the 17th so figuring out what's wrong with an
> app
> that has been running fine and now doesn't is awkward. 
> 
> The user got a new computer with (I think) W7 and new Office (but he
> doesn't know which version) and sent me the screen shot he gets when he
> tries to open the app. 
> 
> The error reads:"The expression you entered as the event property
> setting produced the following error code: the code in this project
> must
> be updated for use on 64-bit systems. Please review and update Declare
> statements and then mark them with the PtrSafe attribute."
> 
> Is he running the 64-bit Office and needs to load 32-bit version
> instead? 
> 
> MTIA,
> 
> Rocky
> 
> 
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From mcp2004 at mail.ru  Sun Jun 10 02:02:34 2012
From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=)
Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2012 11:02:34 +0400
Subject: [AccessD] =?utf-8?q?Dvorak=27s_rant_on_Windows_8?=
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Hi Hans --

Here Steven Sinofsky  explains the reasoning of Win8 start screen UI design: 

"Designing the Start screen"
http://blogs.msdn.com/b/b8/archive/2011/10/04/designing-the-start-screen.aspx

Don't miss to read comments but the best would be to try Win8 Preview, did you? (I didn't yet)

-- Shamil

P.S. The above link is a part of Steven Sinofsky'S blog titled: 

"Building Windows 8: An inside look from the Windows engineering team"

http://blogs.msdn.com/b/b8/


Fri, 8 Jun 2012 12:48:56 -0700 ?? Hans-Christian Andersen <hans.andersen at phulse.com>:
> 
> 
> That is an attractive feature. I've been enjoying that in iTunes for a number of years and now iCloud.
> 
> However, I was speaking about the interface and the underlying OS.
> 
> Hans 
> 
> 
> On 2012-06-08, at 12:32 PM, Salakhetdinov Shamil wrote:
> 
> > Hi Hans --
> > 
> > AFAIU the most attractive feature is that a Win8 tablet will be in synch  with Win7/8 desktop/laptop/phone/... via SkyDrive/Office365/Windows Azure... - read comment from mtcoder, June 8, 2012 at 1:41 pm...
> > 
> > Thank you.
> > 
> > -- Shamil

<<< skipped >>>


From mcp2004 at mail.ru  Sun Jun 10 02:55:26 2012
From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=)
Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2012 11:55:26 +0400
Subject: [AccessD] =?utf-8?q?Dvorak=27s_rant_on_Windows_8?=
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Hi Arthur --

You sound a bit depressing, don't give up!

In fact (if you believe MS) Win8 should run just fine on 1GB box:

Have a look "Reducing runtime memory in Windows 8"
http://blogs.msdn.com/b/b8/archive/2011/10/07/reducing-runtime-memory-in-windows-8.aspx

Yes, JWC has a great hardware environment but is it a must have for every developer to be competitive these days?
I suppose it's not. For example, I'm staying currently outside St.Petersburg city, in a village and I'm using here a mere mortals DELL Inspiron 9400 with Win7 Ultimate 32bit, 3GB RAM, 300GB HDD, a GSM modem and a 850GB backup HDD connected via USB2.
That's it. And I feel rather comfortable developing .NET Framework and MS Office apps running all over the world.
I usually have three VS instances running keeping opened solutions with multiple projects as well as MS Access, MS Excel, MS Word, dozen Google Chrome tabs and some other software...
And I'm using such a "poor man" system for almost a year now - trying to get the highest ROI from hardware investment possible :)
I have other hardware but I have found I don't need it for my current customers projects. Yes, keeping a couple of displays connected to one development box would help to speed-up a bit, and I'm planning to get them connected but again, that's it: that's all a developer using MS modern development tools would need to work efficiently on a broad range of application software project types. Not all of course: I can't develop SharePoint projects on my system, nor can I develop games for WinPhone7...
But on my 32bit system I'm developing software, which runs fine on customers' 64bit systems...

Yes, I do plan to get  purchased i7-driven box this fall but just because my DELL Inspiron 9400 is getting a bit old - it's 5 years old currently...

Once again, don't give up Arthur!

Thank you.

-- Shamil

P.S. BTW, the Euro 2012 Football championship started a couple of days ago, and you're a football fun AFAIK. Did you see Denmark football team did win The Netherlands' one - first time in the last 50 years? (Congrats to Gustav! :) 

Sat, 9 Jun 2012 20:29:13 -0400 ?? Arthur Fuller <fuller.artful at gmail.com>:
> Obviously I am far and away out of my league in this discussion, so I think
> the best policy is to shut up and watch the intelligentsia wage their wars.
> I can't afford lunch tomorrow, let alone another computer. I'm happy for
> you people who can, seriously. I am not suffering techno-envy, my stupid
> little two boxes one running Mint and the other WIndows 7 Ultimate, that's
> all I have and it shall suffice. I read stuff from JWC and he's got more
> boxes and RAM on them all than I could ever dream of, but that's ok. He
> works hard and makes money and all that is totally OK. Not a problem in the
> world with his doing well. I mean, if anyone in this community has given
> back, it's JWC! He has done more for this community than pretty much anyone
> else I could name.
> 
> All that said, I have only two boxes, one dedicated to Mint 11 and the
> other to Windows 7 64-bit. with a mere 4 gigs of RAM in both. This is the
> sad story of my life. Oh, I forgot. I have a KVM that enables me to swap
> from this box to that, since I cannot afford separate keyboards, mice and
> monitors. so I have to swap among them, but hey, KVM is pretty cool, given
> my extremely limited resources. I'm about to purchase a third box, and my
> KVM can actually support that new baby and two more. And the best thing is
> that my heating bill is included in my rent, so in theory I could have 100
> computers here, and not pay even a nickel extra in rent or hydro bills. Woo
> hoo! In addition, I'm probably not going to live even 24 more years, so
> that's that. Call me Toast. I'll be off this planet soon.
> 
> A.
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From hans.andersen at phulse.com  Sun Jun 10 04:15:55 2012
From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen)
Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2012 02:15:55 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Dvorak's rant on Windows 8
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Hi Shamil,

I did indeed try the Win8 preview. Despite all the reasoning, which I applaud Microsoft for making an effort to come up with a creative solution to the problem, I still feel like they came up with a solution which is jarring to even the most seasoned user. Personally, I much prefer the Linux way of being able to bring up a small console that allows you to type in the application name. This is something even Apple OS X has copied, while, on Windows 7, almost sort of existed in the start menu. But, even if you are a complete beginner, you are able to figure out how to get to your applications. On Windows 8, finding your applications is a bit of a nuisance because you are forced into the Metro interface just to launch something as simple as notepad. There is no quick method, nor anything familiar for a previous Windows user. For myself, a tech professional, it actually took me a bit of time to figure out how to even get to my applications. Something about this just seems wrong. Please tell me there is a better way than having to exit the desktop and go back into Metro and then jump to the applications section of Metro in order to launch an application. Because, if so, it really wasn't all that obvious to me. Your applications should only be one or two clicks away at most.

Hans


On 2012-06-10, at 12:02 AM, Salakhetdinov Shamil wrote:

> Hi Hans --
> 
> Here Steven Sinofsky  explains the reasoning of Win8 start screen UI design: 
> 
> "Designing the Start screen"
> http://blogs.msdn.com/b/b8/archive/2011/10/04/designing-the-start-screen.aspx
> 
> Don't miss to read comments but the best would be to try Win8 Preview, did you? (I didn't yet)
> 
> -- Shamil
> 
> P.S. The above link is a part of Steven Sinofsky'S blog titled: 
> 
> "Building Windows 8: An inside look from the Windows engineering team"
> 
> http://blogs.msdn.com/b/b8/
> 
> 
> Fri, 8 Jun 2012 12:48:56 -0700 ?? Hans-Christian Andersen <hans.andersen at phulse.com>:
>> 
>> 
>> That is an attractive feature. I've been enjoying that in iTunes for a number of years and now iCloud.
>> 
>> However, I was speaking about the interface and the underlying OS.
>> 
>> Hans 
>> 
>> 
>> On 2012-06-08, at 12:32 PM, Salakhetdinov Shamil wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Hans --
>>> 
>>> AFAIU the most attractive feature is that a Win8 tablet will be in synch  with Win7/8 desktop/laptop/phone/... via SkyDrive/Office365/Windows Azure... - read comment from mtcoder, June 8, 2012 at 1:41 pm...
>>> 
>>> Thank you.
>>> 
>>> -- Shamil
> 
> <<< skipped >>>
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From hans.andersen at phulse.com  Sun Jun 10 04:17:53 2012
From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen)
Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2012 02:17:53 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Dvorak's rant on Windows 8
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There's another proud Dane here, FYI :)

Hans


On 2012-06-10, at 12:55 AM, Salakhetdinov Shamil wrote:

> Hi Arthur --
> 
> You sound a bit depressing, don't give up!
> 
> In fact (if you believe MS) Win8 should run just fine on 1GB box:
> 
> Have a look "Reducing runtime memory in Windows 8"
> http://blogs.msdn.com/b/b8/archive/2011/10/07/reducing-runtime-memory-in-windows-8.aspx
> 
> Yes, JWC has a great hardware environment but is it a must have for every developer to be competitive these days?
> I suppose it's not. For example, I'm staying currently outside St.Petersburg city, in a village and I'm using here a mere mortals DELL Inspiron 9400 with Win7 Ultimate 32bit, 3GB RAM, 300GB HDD, a GSM modem and a 850GB backup HDD connected via USB2.
> That's it. And I feel rather comfortable developing .NET Framework and MS Office apps running all over the world.
> I usually have three VS instances running keeping opened solutions with multiple projects as well as MS Access, MS Excel, MS Word, dozen Google Chrome tabs and some other software...
> And I'm using such a "poor man" system for almost a year now - trying to get the highest ROI from hardware investment possible :)
> I have other hardware but I have found I don't need it for my current customers projects. Yes, keeping a couple of displays connected to one development box would help to speed-up a bit, and I'm planning to get them connected but again, that's it: that's all a developer using MS modern development tools would need to work efficiently on a broad range of application software project types. Not all of course: I can't develop SharePoint projects on my system, nor can I develop games for WinPhone7...
> But on my 32bit system I'm developing software, which runs fine on customers' 64bit systems...
> 
> Yes, I do plan to get  purchased i7-driven box this fall but just because my DELL Inspiron 9400 is getting a bit old - it's 5 years old currently...
> 
> Once again, don't give up Arthur!
> 
> Thank you.
> 
> -- Shamil
> 
> P.S. BTW, the Euro 2012 Football championship started a couple of days ago, and you're a football fun AFAIK. Did you see Denmark football team did win The Netherlands' one - first time in the last 50 years? (Congrats to Gustav! :) 
> 
> Sat, 9 Jun 2012 20:29:13 -0400 ?? Arthur Fuller <fuller.artful at gmail.com>:
>> Obviously I am far and away out of my league in this discussion, so I think
>> the best policy is to shut up and watch the intelligentsia wage their wars.
>> I can't afford lunch tomorrow, let alone another computer. I'm happy for
>> you people who can, seriously. I am not suffering techno-envy, my stupid
>> little two boxes one running Mint and the other WIndows 7 Ultimate, that's
>> all I have and it shall suffice. I read stuff from JWC and he's got more
>> boxes and RAM on them all than I could ever dream of, but that's ok. He
>> works hard and makes money and all that is totally OK. Not a problem in the
>> world with his doing well. I mean, if anyone in this community has given
>> back, it's JWC! He has done more for this community than pretty much anyone
>> else I could name.
>> 
>> All that said, I have only two boxes, one dedicated to Mint 11 and the
>> other to Windows 7 64-bit. with a mere 4 gigs of RAM in both. This is the
>> sad story of my life. Oh, I forgot. I have a KVM that enables me to swap
>> from this box to that, since I cannot afford separate keyboards, mice and
>> monitors. so I have to swap among them, but hey, KVM is pretty cool, given
>> my extremely limited resources. I'm about to purchase a third box, and my
>> KVM can actually support that new baby and two more. And the best thing is
>> that my heating bill is included in my rent, so in theory I could have 100
>> computers here, and not pay even a nickel extra in rent or hydro bills. Woo
>> hoo! In addition, I'm probably not going to live even 24 more years, so
>> that's that. Call me Toast. I'll be off this planet soon.
>> 
>> A.
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From mcp2004 at mail.ru  Sun Jun 10 14:57:13 2012
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Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2012 23:57:13 +0400
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Hi Hans --

As I noted I haven't used Win8 yet.
Does it have [Windows Key] + R disabled?
They say one can use search feature to search for and to run apps - isn't that feature screen/dialog made visible/pops-up by using some hot keys ([Windows Key] + S]? Or even if it has a key it isn't so useful because it's slow in searching for programs to run or because ...?

Thank you.

-- Shamil

Sun, 10 Jun 2012 02:15:55 -0700 ?? Hans-Christian Andersen <hans.andersen at phulse.com>:
> 
> Hi Shamil,
> 
> I did indeed try the Win8 preview. Despite all the reasoning, which I applaud Microsoft for making an effort to come up with a creative solution to the problem, I still feel like they came up with a solution which is jarring to even the most seasoned user. Personally, I much prefer the Linux way of being able to bring up a small console that allows you to type in the application name. This is something even Apple OS X has copied, while, on Windows 7, almost sort of existed in the start menu. But, even if you are a complete beginner, you are able to figure out how to get to your applications. On Windows 8, finding your applications is a bit of a nuisance because you are forced into the Metro interface just to launch something as simple as notepad. There is no quick method, nor anything familiar for a previous Windows user. For myself, a tech professional, it actually took me a bit of time to figure out how to even get to my applications. Something about this just seems wrong. Please tell me there is a better way than having to exit the desktop and go back into Metro and then jump to the applications section of Metro in order to launch an application. Because, if so, it really wasn't all that obvious to me. Your applications should only be one or two clicks away at most.
> 
> Hans
> 
> 
> On 2012-06-10, at 12:02 AM, Salakhetdinov Shamil wrote:
> 
> > Hi Hans --
> > 
> > Here Steven Sinofsky  explains the reasoning of Win8 start screen UI design: 
> > 
> > "Designing the Start screen"
> > http://blogs.msdn.com/b/b8/archive/2011/10/04/designing-the-start-screen.aspx
> > 
> > Don't miss to read comments but the best would be to try Win8 Preview, did you? (I didn't yet)
> > 
> > -- Shamil
> > 
> > P.S. The above link is a part of Steven Sinofsky'S blog titled: 
> > 
> > "Building Windows 8: An inside look from the Windows engineering team"
> > 
> > http://blogs.msdn.com/b/b8/
> > 
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Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2012 00:28:39 +0400
Subject: [AccessD] =?utf-8?q?Dvorak=27s_rant_on_Windows_8?=
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Sorry, Hans, I missed to congratulate you with Denmark winning over the Netherlands in Euro 2012 Football Championship.
I should have mentioned Asger too.
My congratulations Gustav, Hans and Asger! :) (missed somebody else from Denmark?)

Thank you.

-- Shamil

P.S. From my childhood Hans-Christian Andersen (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hans_Christian_Andersen) your Hans full namesake got somehow associated in my braincells with Sweden not with Denmark. I have been to Denmark, Copenhagen, and I have seen the monument to Hans-Christian Andersen there still I didn't get wrong link to Sweden destroyed :)
And Denmark was always associated for me with Hamlet (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamlet), from my very early childhood  ages- we all study "Hamlet" here in kindergarten you know :) - just kidding but AFAIKR I first watched this film (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamlet_(1964_film)) when a kid - since that time Denmark and Hamlet are tightly linked for me: when in Denmark I have been to Elsinore, everything was there as I have got it in my very early age from the Soviet movie...

Sun, 10 Jun 2012 02:17:53 -0700 ?? Hans-Christian Andersen <hans.andersen at phulse.com>:
> 
> 
> There's another proud Dane here, FYI :)
> 
> Hans
> 
> 
> On 2012-06-10, at 12:55 AM, Salakhetdinov Shamil wrote:
> 
> > Hi Arthur --
> > 
> > You sound a bit depressing, don't give up!
> > 
> > In fact (if you believe MS) Win8 should run just fine on 1GB box:
> > 
> > Have a look "Reducing runtime memory in Windows 8"
> > http://blogs.msdn.com/b/b8/archive/2011/10/07/reducing-runtime-memory-in-windows-8.aspx
> > 
> > Yes, JWC has a great hardware environment but is it a must have for every developer to be competitive these days?
> > I suppose it's not. For example, I'm staying currently outside St.Petersburg city, in a village and I'm using here a mere mortals DELL Inspiron 9400 with Win7 Ultimate 32bit, 3GB RAM, 300GB HDD, a GSM modem and a 850GB backup HDD connected via USB2.
> > That's it. And I feel rather comfortable developing .NET Framework and MS Office apps running all over the world.
> > I usually have three VS instances running keeping opened solutions with multiple projects as well as MS Access, MS Excel, MS Word, dozen Google Chrome tabs and some other software...
> > And I'm using such a "poor man" system for almost a year now - trying to get the highest ROI from hardware investment possible :)
> > I have other hardware but I have found I don't need it for my current customers projects. Yes, keeping a couple of displays connected to one development box would help to speed-up a bit, and I'm planning to get them connected but again, that's it: that's all a developer using MS modern development tools would need to work efficiently on a broad range of application software project types. Not all of course: I can't develop SharePoint projects on my system, nor can I develop games for WinPhone7...
> > But on my 32bit system I'm developing software, which runs fine on customers' 64bit systems...
> > 
> > Yes, I do plan to get  purchased i7-driven box this fall but just because my DELL Inspiron 9400 is getting a bit old - it's 5 years old currently...
> > 
> > Once again, don't give up Arthur!
> > 
> > Thank you.
> > 
> > -- Shamil
> > 
> > P.S. BTW, the Euro 2012 Football championship started a couple of days ago, and you're a football fun AFAIK. Did you see Denmark football team did win The Netherlands' one - first time in the last 50 years? (Congrats to Gustav! :) 
> > 
<<< snip >>>


From ab-mi at post3.tele.dk  Sun Jun 10 15:34:41 2012
From: ab-mi at post3.tele.dk (Asger Blond)
Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2012 22:34:41 +0200
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Thanks Shamil :) Asger
----- Original meddelelse -----

> Fra: Salakhetdinov Shamil <mcp2004 at mail.ru>
> Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Dato: S?n, 10. jun 2012 22:28
> Emne: Re: [AccessD] Dvorak's rant on Windows 8
> 
> Sorry, Hans, I missed to congratulate you with Denmark winning over
> the Netherlands in Euro 2012 Football Championship.
> I should have mentioned Asger too.
> My congratulations Gustav, Hans and Asger! :) (missed somebody else
> from Denmark?)
> 
> Thank you.
> 
> -- Shamil
> 
> P.S. From my childhood Hans-Christian Andersen
> (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hans_Christian_Andersen) your Hans full
> namesake got somehow associated in my braincells with Sweden not with
> Denmark. I have been to Denmark, Copenhagen, and I have seen the
> monument to Hans-Christian Andersen there still I didn't get wrong
> link to Sweden destroyed :)
> And Denmark was always associated for me with Hamlet
> (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamlet), from my very early childhood
> ages- we all study "Hamlet" here in kindergarten you know :) - just
> kidding but AFAIKR I first watched this film
> (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamlet_(1964_film)) when a kid - since
> that time Denmark and Hamlet are tightly linked for me: when in
> Denmark I have been to Elsinore, everything was there as I have got
> it in my very early age from the Soviet movie...
> 
> Sun, 10 Jun 2012 02:17:53 -0700 ?? Hans-Christian Andersen
> <hans.andersen at phulse.com>:
> >
> >
> > There's another proud Dane here, FYI :)
> >
> > Hans
> >
> >
> > On 2012-06-10, at 12:55 AM, Salakhetdinov Shamil wrote:
> >
> > > Hi Arthur --
> > >
> > > You sound a bit depressing, don't give up!
> > >
> > > In fact (if you believe MS) Win8 should run just fine on 1GB box:
> > >
> > > Have a look "Reducing runtime memory in Windows 8"
> > >
> http://blogs.msdn.com/b/b8/archive/2011/10/07/reducing-runtime-memory-in-windows-8.aspx
> > >
> > > Yes, JWC has a great hardware environment but is it a must have
> for every developer to be competitive these days?
> > > I suppose it's not. For example, I'm staying currently outside
> St.Petersburg city, in a village and I'm using here a mere mortals
> DELL Inspiron 9400 with Win7 Ultimate 32bit, 3GB RAM, 300GB HDD, a
> GSM modem and a 850GB backup HDD connected via USB2.
> > > That's it. And I feel rather comfortable developing .NET
> Framework and MS Office apps running all over the world.
> > > I usually have three VS instances running keeping opened
> solutions with multiple projects as well as MS Access, MS Excel, MS
> Word, dozen Google Chrome tabs and some other software...
> > > And I'm using such a "poor man" system for almost a year now -
> trying to get the highest ROI from hardware investment possible :)
> > > I have other hardware but I have found I don't need it for my
> current customers projects. Yes, keeping a couple of displays
> connected to one development box would help to speed-up a bit, and
> I'm planning to get them connected but again, that's it: that's all a
> developer using MS modern development tools would need to work
> efficiently on a broad range of application software project types.
> Not all of course: I can't develop SharePoint projects on my system,
> nor can I develop games for WinPhone7...
> > > But on my 32bit system I'm developing software, which runs fine
> on customers' 64bit systems...
> > >
> > > Yes, I do plan to get purchased i7-driven box this fall but just
> because my DELL Inspiron 9400 is getting a bit old - it's 5 years old
> currently...
> > >
> > > Once again, don't give up Arthur!
> > >
> > > Thank you.
> > >
> > > -- Shamil
> > >
> > > P.S. BTW, the Euro 2012 Football championship started a couple of
> days ago, and you're a football fun AFAIK. Did you see Denmark
> football team did win The Netherlands' one - first time in the last
> 50 years? (Congrats to Gustav! :)
> > >
> <<< snip >>>
> 
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From hans.andersen at phulse.com  Sun Jun 10 17:15:21 2012
From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen)
Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2012 15:15:21 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Dvorak's rant on Windows 8
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Hi Shamil,

I don't know. Good question. If there is a shortcut, MS will definitely have to highlight it, as going about it the normal way isn't very practical. I'll have to test it out the next time I come across it.

- Hans

Sent from my iPhone

On 2012-06-10, at 12:57 PM, Salakhetdinov Shamil <mcp2004 at mail.ru> wrote:

> Hi Hans --
> 
> As I noted I haven't used Win8 yet.
> Does it have [Windows Key] + R disabled?
> They say one can use search feature to search for and to run apps - isn't that feature screen/dialog made visible/pops-up by using some hot keys ([Windows Key] + S]? Or even if it has a key it isn't so useful because it's slow in searching for programs to run or because ...?
> 
> Thank you.
> 
> -- Shamil
> 
> Sun, 10 Jun 2012 02:15:55 -0700 ?? Hans-Christian Andersen <hans.andersen at phulse.com>:
>> 
>> Hi Shamil,
>> 
>> I did indeed try the Win8 preview. Despite all the reasoning, which I applaud Microsoft for making an effort to come up with a creative solution to the problem, I still feel like they came up with a solution which is jarring to even the most seasoned user. Personally, I much prefer the Linux way of being able to bring up a small console that allows you to type in the application name. This is something even Apple OS X has copied, while, on Windows 7, almost sort of existed in the start menu. But, even if you are a complete beginner, you are able to figure out how to get to your applications. On Windows 8, finding your applications is a bit of a nuisance because you are forced into the Metro interface just to launch something as simple as notepad. There is no quick method, nor anything familiar for a previous Windows user. For myself, a tech professional, it actually took me a bit of time to figure out how to even get to my applications. Something about this just seems wrong. Please tell me there is a better way than having to exit the desktop and go back into Metro and then jump to the applications section of Metro in order to launch an application. Because, if so, it really wasn't all that obvious to me. Your applications should only be one or two clicks away at most.
>> 
>> Hans
>> 
>> 
>> On 2012-06-10, at 12:02 AM, Salakhetdinov Shamil wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Hans --
>>> 
>>> Here Steven Sinofsky  explains the reasoning of Win8 start screen UI design: 
>>> 
>>> "Designing the Start screen"
>>> http://blogs.msdn.com/b/b8/archive/2011/10/04/designing-the-start-screen.aspx
>>> 
>>> Don't miss to read comments but the best would be to try Win8 Preview, did you? (I didn't yet)
>>> 
>>> -- Shamil
>>> 
>>> P.S. The above link is a part of Steven Sinofsky'S blog titled: 
>>> 
>>> "Building Windows 8: An inside look from the Windows engineering team"
>>> 
>>> http://blogs.msdn.com/b/b8/
>>> 
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From hans.andersen at phulse.com  Sun Jun 10 17:45:00 2012
From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen)
Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2012 15:45:00 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Dvorak's rant on Windows 8
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Hehe. Thanks. :) Here's hoping we will fare well against Portugal, which is going to be as much of a challenge, if not more so, as their playing style is very different.

I've never really been to Russia, I'm afraid... Apart from staying a night in a hotel near the airport in Moscow while in transit. I would very much like to see St Petersburg, as it is a stunning city. I'm also starting to appreciate history as I age and there is so much of it in Russia. But now I live all the way over here in BC Canada, so it's a rather long trip to plan for. Some day soon I hope.

- Hans

Sent from my iPhone

On 2012-06-10, at 1:28 PM, Salakhetdinov Shamil <mcp2004 at mail.ru> wrote:

> Sorry, Hans, I missed to congratulate you with Denmark winning over the Netherlands in Euro 2012 Football Championship.
> I should have mentioned Asger too.
> My congratulations Gustav, Hans and Asger! :) (missed somebody else from Denmark?)
> 
> Thank you.
> 
> -- Shamil
> 
> P.S. From my childhood Hans-Christian Andersen (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hans_Christian_Andersen) your Hans full namesake got somehow associated in my braincells with Sweden not with Denmark. I have been to Denmark, Copenhagen, and I have seen the monument to Hans-Christian Andersen there still I didn't get wrong link to Sweden destroyed :)
> And Denmark was always associated for me with Hamlet (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamlet), from my very early childhood  ages- we all study "Hamlet" here in kindergarten you know :) - just kidding but AFAIKR I first watched this film (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamlet_(1964_film)) when a kid - since that time Denmark and Hamlet are tightly linked for me: when in Denmark I have been to Elsinore, everything was there as I have got it in my very early age from the Soviet movie...
> 
> Sun, 10 Jun 2012 02:17:53 -0700 ?? Hans-Christian Andersen <hans.andersen at phulse.com>:
>> 
>> 
>> There's another proud Dane here, FYI :)
>> 
>> Hans
>> 
>> 
>> On 2012-06-10, at 12:55 AM, Salakhetdinov Shamil wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Arthur --
>>> 
>>> You sound a bit depressing, don't give up!
>>> 
>>> In fact (if you believe MS) Win8 should run just fine on 1GB box:
>>> 
>>> Have a look "Reducing runtime memory in Windows 8"
>>> http://blogs.msdn.com/b/b8/archive/2011/10/07/reducing-runtime-memory-in-windows-8.aspx
>>> 
>>> Yes, JWC has a great hardware environment but is it a must have for every developer to be competitive these days?
>>> I suppose it's not. For example, I'm staying currently outside St.Petersburg city, in a village and I'm using here a mere mortals DELL Inspiron 9400 with Win7 Ultimate 32bit, 3GB RAM, 300GB HDD, a GSM modem and a 850GB backup HDD connected via USB2.
>>> That's it. And I feel rather comfortable developing .NET Framework and MS Office apps running all over the world.
>>> I usually have three VS instances running keeping opened solutions with multiple projects as well as MS Access, MS Excel, MS Word, dozen Google Chrome tabs and some other software...
>>> And I'm using such a "poor man" system for almost a year now - trying to get the highest ROI from hardware investment possible :)
>>> I have other hardware but I have found I don't need it for my current customers projects. Yes, keeping a couple of displays connected to one development box would help to speed-up a bit, and I'm planning to get them connected but again, that's it: that's all a developer using MS modern development tools would need to work efficiently on a broad range of application software project types. Not all of course: I can't develop SharePoint projects on my system, nor can I develop games for WinPhone7...
>>> But on my 32bit system I'm developing software, which runs fine on customers' 64bit systems...
>>> 
>>> Yes, I do plan to get  purchased i7-driven box this fall but just because my DELL Inspiron 9400 is getting a bit old - it's 5 years old currently...
>>> 
>>> Once again, don't give up Arthur!
>>> 
>>> Thank you.
>>> 
>>> -- Shamil
>>> 
>>> P.S. BTW, the Euro 2012 Football championship started a couple of days ago, and you're a football fun AFAIK. Did you see Denmark football team did win The Netherlands' one - first time in the last 50 years? (Congrats to Gustav! :) 
>>> 
> <<< snip >>>
> 
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> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com


From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sun Jun 10 19:35:58 2012
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2012 20:35:58 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Good price on disk
In-Reply-To: <8B2F9BBB7B7A4673B470EBA09B31D24D@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <4FD34BED.7040300@colbyconsulting.com>
	<8B2F9BBB7B7A4673B470EBA09B31D24D@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <4FD53D6E.1050907@colbyconsulting.com>

 > What makes these HDs better?

Nothing.  They get a pretty good rating, much better than the Seagate version.  The price is good, 2 
gigs for a hundred ten.

I need storage and have been waiting for the prices to drop from "tsunami levels".

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 6/9/2012 1:54 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote:
> Hi John:
>
> What makes these HDs better?
>
> Jim
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
> Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2012 6:13 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] Good price on disk
>
> The 2 gb models are finally arriving.  I found this one with a $20 coupon
> good for another week
> which makes it $110.
>
> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822145369.
>
> I have ordered 4 of them for a raid 5 array for my MV server.  We'll see how
> long they last.
>


From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sun Jun 10 19:44:23 2012
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2012 20:44:23 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Good price on disk
In-Reply-To: <002701cd4673$dbc449b0$934cdd10$@comcast.net>
References: <4FD34BED.7040300@colbyconsulting.com>
	<002701cd4673$dbc449b0$934cdd10$@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <4FD53F67.8030408@colbyconsulting.com>

The description says 6gb interface.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822145369

In the end no mechanical disk can saturate even the 3gb interface, although for a little while the 
cache probably could.  In addition I am still going to be using some 5 year old Areca RAID controllers.

I have been working on off 300g and 500g drives using many to eke out a couple of gigs of raid 
storage.  Four of these should make it work, getting rid of all those old drives and freeing up 
slots, power etc in the process.

This is for my VM server.

I will be going back to the well for a bunch of SSDs.  Those will be 6g interfaces and I will be 
using a new 6g RAID card as well.  That will be used for pushing the I/O of the VMs as high as possible.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 6/9/2012 3:12 PM, Dan Waters wrote:
> These are 3 Gb/sec drives.  For your large data handling, you may want a 6
> Gb/sec drive instead.
>
> Dan
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
> Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2012 8:13 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] Good price on disk
>
> The 2 gb models are finally arriving.  I found this one with a $20 coupon
> good for another week which makes it $110.
>
> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822145369.
>
> I have ordered 4 of them for a raid 5 array for my MV server.  We'll see how
> long they last.
>
> --
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
>
> Reality is what refuses to go away
> when you do not believe in it
>
> --
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sun Jun 10 19:47:16 2012
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2012 20:47:16 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Dvorak's rant on Windows 8
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1hJqwf5wmiWeOa4Ok3y0oai5a9LZedEX6UMJp0pw1doQw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1339180396.342687334@f275.mail.ru>
	<009701cd4052$581835d0$0848a170$@net>
	<E1SakDG-0001Wj-Jk.mcp2004-mail-ru@f150.mail.ru>
	<2A16EBA3-8E7A-4795-888A-2EFEF016133C@phulse.com>
	<501C259E-E9EB-49D5-B8F5-F8A856FC98FD@phulse.com>
	<1339183962.472592226@f300.mail.ru>
	<CAGuQ9V78YDSt5N=A7S6u3h1OBpiwxCcGf1gWkXt54Rau1N3E5Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<004b01cd4646$090aa500$1b1fef00$@net>
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Message-ID: <4FD54014.7070102@colbyconsulting.com>

I mean, if anyone in this community has given back, it's JWC! He has done more for this community 
than pretty much anyone else I could name.

LOL, thanks Arthur but I don't think so.  We have a very talented community here.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 6/9/2012 8:29 PM, Arthur Fuller wrote:
> I mean, if anyone in this community has given
> back, it's JWC! He has done more for this community than pretty much anyone
> else I could name.


From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sun Jun 10 19:54:41 2012
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2012 20:54:41 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Dvorak's rant on Windows 8
In-Reply-To: <1339314926.367780715@f250.mail.ru>
References: <004b01cd4646$090aa500$1b1fef00$@net>
	<1339180396.342687334@f275.mail.ru>
	<CAEPJO1hJqwf5wmiWeOa4Ok3y0oai5a9LZedEX6UMJp0pw1doQw@mail.gmail.com>
	<1339314926.367780715@f250.mail.ru>
Message-ID: <4FD541D1.7030503@colbyconsulting.com>

 > Yes, JWC has a great hardware environment but is it a must have for every developer to be 
competitive these days? I suppose it's not.

It absolutely is not.  It is necessary for handling the volumes of data I have.  I have almost 700 
million records now that I am pushing out of my SQL Server databases every month, running through 
Address validation and pulling them back in.  I use 4 VMs to simultaneously run the third party 
software, and a 5th VM to run my custom app to perform the magic.

For development I actually run a VM with Windows 2003 X32.  Why?  Because Visual Studio Edit and 
Continue doesn't run on X64, and X64 is actually slower in most cases (in the dev environment).

So I use a lowly X32 VM with 4 gigs of RAM for my app running directly in Visual Studio as I debug 
and work my app.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 6/10/2012 3:55 AM, Salakhetdinov Shamil wrote:
> Hi Arthur --
>
> You sound a bit depressing, don't give up!
>
> In fact (if you believe MS) Win8 should run just fine on 1GB box:
>
> Have a look "Reducing runtime memory in Windows 8"
> http://blogs.msdn.com/b/b8/archive/2011/10/07/reducing-runtime-memory-in-windows-8.aspx
>
> Yes, JWC has a great hardware environment but is it a must have for every developer to be competitive these days?
> I suppose it's not. For example, I'm staying currently outside St.Petersburg city, in a village and I'm using here a mere mortals DELL Inspiron 9400 with Win7 Ultimate 32bit, 3GB RAM, 300GB HDD, a GSM modem and a 850GB backup HDD connected via USB2.
> That's it. And I feel rather comfortable developing .NET Framework and MS Office apps running all over the world.
> I usually have three VS instances running keeping opened solutions with multiple projects as well as MS Access, MS Excel, MS Word, dozen Google Chrome tabs and some other software...
> And I'm using such a "poor man" system for almost a year now - trying to get the highest ROI from hardware investment possible :)
> I have other hardware but I have found I don't need it for my current customers projects. Yes, keeping a couple of displays connected to one development box would help to speed-up a bit, and I'm planning to get them connected but again, that's it: that's all a developer using MS modern development tools would need to work efficiently on a broad range of application software project types. Not all of course: I can't develop SharePoint projects on my system, nor can I develop games for WinPhone7...
> But on my 32bit system I'm developing software, which runs fine on customers' 64bit systems...
>
> Yes, I do plan to get  purchased i7-driven box this fall but just because my DELL Inspiron 9400 is getting a bit old - it's 5 years old currently...
>
> Once again, don't give up Arthur!
>
> Thank you.
>
> -- Shamil
>
> P.S. BTW, the Euro 2012 Football championship started a couple of days ago, and you're a football fun AFAIK. Did you see Denmark football team did win The Netherlands' one - first time in the last 50 years? (Congrats to Gustav! :)


From marksimms at verizon.net  Sun Jun 10 20:23:12 2012
From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms)
Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2012 21:23:12 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Dvorak's rant on Windows 8
In-Reply-To: <4FD541D1.7030503@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <004b01cd4646$090aa500$1b1fef00$@net>
	<1339180396.342687334@f275.mail.ru>
	<CAEPJO1hJqwf5wmiWeOa4Ok3y0oai5a9LZedEX6UMJp0pw1doQw@mail.gmail.com>
	<1339314926.367780715@f250.mail.ru>
	<4FD541D1.7030503@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <00b601cd4770$c52c0c80$4f842580$@net>

So much for 64 bit windows being all that great.

and X64 is actually slower in most cases
> (in the dev environment).
>
> So I use a lowly X32 VM with 4 gigs of RAM for my app running directly
> in Visual Studio as I debug
> and work my app.
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting



From df.waters at comcast.net  Sun Jun 10 20:23:53 2012
From: df.waters at comcast.net (Dan Waters)
Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2012 20:23:53 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Good price on disk
In-Reply-To: <4FD53F67.8030408@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4FD34BED.7040300@colbyconsulting.com>	<002701cd4673$dbc449b0$934cdd10$@comcast.net>
	<4FD53F67.8030408@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <000e01cd4770$dd3ffd40$97bff7c0$@comcast.net>

What I was reading was further down the page under Overview.  It does say
SATA 3.0 GB/S INTERFACE.  Hopefully the manufacturer's website will be
correct.

Good Luck!
Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2012 7:44 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Good price on disk

The description says 6gb interface.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822145369

In the end no mechanical disk can saturate even the 3gb interface, although
for a little while the cache probably could.  In addition I am still going
to be using some 5 year old Areca RAID controllers.

I have been working on off 300g and 500g drives using many to eke out a
couple of gigs of raid storage.  Four of these should make it work, getting
rid of all those old drives and freeing up slots, power etc in the process.

This is for my VM server.

I will be going back to the well for a bunch of SSDs.  Those will be 6g
interfaces and I will be using a new 6g RAID card as well.  That will be
used for pushing the I/O of the VMs as high as possible.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 6/9/2012 3:12 PM, Dan Waters wrote:
> These are 3 Gb/sec drives.  For your large data handling, you may want 
> a 6 Gb/sec drive instead.
>
> Dan
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
> Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2012 8:13 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] Good price on disk
>
> The 2 gb models are finally arriving.  I found this one with a $20 
> coupon good for another week which makes it $110.
>
> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822145369.
>
> I have ordered 4 of them for a raid 5 array for my MV server.  We'll 
> see how long they last.
>
> --
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
>
> Reality is what refuses to go away
> when you do not believe in it
>
> --
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> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
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>

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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sun Jun 10 22:50:55 2012
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2012 23:50:55 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Dvorak's rant on Windows 8
In-Reply-To: <00b601cd4770$c52c0c80$4f842580$@net>
References: <004b01cd4646$090aa500$1b1fef00$@net>
	<1339180396.342687334@f275.mail.ru>
	<CAEPJO1hJqwf5wmiWeOa4Ok3y0oai5a9LZedEX6UMJp0pw1doQw@mail.gmail.com>
	<1339314926.367780715@f250.mail.ru>
	<4FD541D1.7030503@colbyconsulting.com>
	<00b601cd4770$c52c0c80$4f842580$@net>
Message-ID: <4FD56B1F.5050305@colbyconsulting.com>

Well, it all depends on what you need and are doing.  I am running SQL Server with 64 gigs of RAM, 
16 cores and compression, fitting most of a huge database directly in memory.  Not a job for X32.

That said, MS has never fixed the Edit and continue on X64.  So for development that throws a monkey 
wrench into using the X64 environment.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 6/10/2012 9:23 PM, Mark Simms wrote:
> So much for 64 bit windows being all that great.
>
> and X64 is actually slower in most cases
>> (in the dev environment).
>>
>> So I use a lowly X32 VM with 4 gigs of RAM for my app running directly
>> in Visual Studio as I debug
>> and work my app.
>>
>> John W. Colby
>> Colby Consulting
>
>


From accessd at shaw.ca  Mon Jun 11 00:20:50 2012
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2012 22:20:50 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Good price on disk
In-Reply-To: <4FD53D6E.1050907@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4FD34BED.7040300@colbyconsulting.com><8B2F9BBB7B7A4673B470EBA09B31D24D@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<4FD53D6E.1050907@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <418A129B79EB4A0EBE8E5A82D2A568B1@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Last summer I picked up six two TB drives for $89.00 each. Is this a better
deal?

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2012 5:36 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Good price on disk

 > What makes these HDs better?

Nothing.  They get a pretty good rating, much better than the Seagate
version.  The price is good, 2 
gigs for a hundred ten.

I need storage and have been waiting for the prices to drop from "tsunami
levels".

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 6/9/2012 1:54 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote:
> Hi John:
>
> What makes these HDs better?
>
> Jim
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
> Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2012 6:13 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] Good price on disk
>
> The 2 gb models are finally arriving.  I found this one with a $20 coupon
> good for another week
> which makes it $110.
>
> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822145369.
>
> I have ordered 4 of them for a raid 5 array for my MV server.  We'll see
how
> long they last.
>

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From gustav at cactus.dk  Mon Jun 11 05:21:19 2012
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2012 12:21:19 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Football and Hamlet (was: Dvorak's rant on Windows 8)
Message-ID: <sfd5e2dc.092@cactus.dk>

Hi Shamil

Thanks! Though football is an area that range far, far down on my priority list. I have, however, learned some of the terms of the sport and by throwing these in, I can often mess up a discussion between beer drinking pub-style "experts". Great fun.

The old Hamlet movie from '64 is, by the way, by many - including me - considered the best Hamlet movie ever made. Not that more recent interpretations are bad, but this one stands out.

/gustav


>>> mcp2004 at mail.ru 10-06-12 22:28 >>>
Sorry, Hans, I missed to congratulate you with Denmark winning over the Netherlands in Euro 2012 Football Championship.
I should have mentioned Asger too.
My congratulations Gustav, Hans and Asger! :) (missed somebody else from Denmark?)

Thank you.

-- Shamil

P.S. From my childhood Hans-Christian Andersen (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hans_Christian_Andersen) your Hans full namesake got somehow associated in my braincells with Sweden not with Denmark. I have been to Denmark, Copenhagen, and I have seen the monument to Hans-Christian Andersen there still I didn't get wrong link to Sweden destroyed :)
And Denmark was always associated for me with Hamlet (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamlet), from my very early childhood  ages- we all study "Hamlet" here in kindergarten you know :) - just kidding but AFAIKR I first watched this film (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamlet_(1964_film)) when a kid - since that time Denmark and Hamlet are tightly linked for me: when in Denmark I have been to Elsinore, everything was there as I have got it in my very early age from the Soviet movie...

Sun, 10 Jun 2012 02:17:53 -0700 ?? Hans-Christian Andersen <hans.andersen at phulse.com>:
> 
> 
> There's another proud Dane here, FYI :)
> 
> Hans


From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Jun 11 07:37:58 2012
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2012 08:37:58 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Good price on disk
In-Reply-To: <418A129B79EB4A0EBE8E5A82D2A568B1@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <4FD34BED.7040300@colbyconsulting.com><8B2F9BBB7B7A4673B470EBA09B31D24D@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<4FD53D6E.1050907@colbyconsulting.com>
	<418A129B79EB4A0EBE8E5A82D2A568B1@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <4FD5E6A6.6010607@colbyconsulting.com>

Last summer was before the Thai floods.  A deal is only relative to current prices.

Rotating media prices are dropping again so if you don't need storage *now* then you should wait.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 6/11/2012 1:20 AM, Jim Lawrence wrote:
> Last summer I picked up six two TB drives for $89.00 each. Is this a better
> deal?
>
> Jim
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
> Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2012 5:36 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Good price on disk
>
>   >  What makes these HDs better?
>
> Nothing.  They get a pretty good rating, much better than the Seagate
> version.  The price is good, 2
> gigs for a hundred ten.
>
> I need storage and have been waiting for the prices to drop from "tsunami
> levels".
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
>
> Reality is what refuses to go away
> when you do not believe in it
>
> On 6/9/2012 1:54 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote:
>> Hi John:
>>
>> What makes these HDs better?
>>
>> Jim
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
>> Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2012 6:13 AM
>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>> Subject: [AccessD] Good price on disk
>>
>> The 2 gb models are finally arriving.  I found this one with a $20 coupon
>> good for another week
>> which makes it $110.
>>
>> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822145369.
>>
>> I have ordered 4 of them for a raid 5 array for my MV server.  We'll see
> how
>> long they last.
>>
>


From accessd at shaw.ca  Mon Jun 11 13:14:16 2012
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2012 11:14:16 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Good price on disk
In-Reply-To: <4FD5E6A6.6010607@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4FD34BED.7040300@colbyconsulting.com><8B2F9BBB7B7A4673B470EBA09B31D24D@creativesystemdesigns.com><4FD53D6E.1050907@colbyconsulting.com><418A129B79EB4A0EBE8E5A82D2A568B1@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<4FD5E6A6.6010607@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <820493D4110A4D3D85AD41FF8DBFA33B@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Hi John:

I am good to go for now. Am waiting on the new Peta-byte drive....with
everyone (consumers only) going cloud and internet based, it is a good time
for us providers to pick up the slack.

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Monday, June 11, 2012 5:38 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Good price on disk

Last summer was before the Thai floods.  A deal is only relative to current
prices.

Rotating media prices are dropping again so if you don't need storage *now*
then you should wait.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 6/11/2012 1:20 AM, Jim Lawrence wrote:
> Last summer I picked up six two TB drives for $89.00 each. Is this a
better
> deal?
>
> Jim
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
> Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2012 5:36 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Good price on disk
>
>   >  What makes these HDs better?
>
> Nothing.  They get a pretty good rating, much better than the Seagate
> version.  The price is good, 2
> gigs for a hundred ten.
>
> I need storage and have been waiting for the prices to drop from "tsunami
> levels".
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
>
> Reality is what refuses to go away
> when you do not believe in it
>
> On 6/9/2012 1:54 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote:
>> Hi John:
>>
>> What makes these HDs better?
>>
>> Jim
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
>> Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2012 6:13 AM
>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>> Subject: [AccessD] Good price on disk
>>
>> The 2 gb models are finally arriving.  I found this one with a $20 coupon
>> good for another week
>> which makes it $110.
>>
>> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822145369.
>>
>> I have ordered 4 of them for a raid 5 array for my MV server.  We'll see
> how
>> long they last.
>>
>

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From mcp2004 at mail.ru  Mon Jun 11 14:37:49 2012
From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=)
Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2012 23:37:49 +0400
Subject: [AccessD] =?utf-8?q?Dvorak=27s_rant_on_Windows_8?=
In-Reply-To: <AE34A801-617D-43F4-8825-72CB58E380F6@phulse.com>
References: <1339314926.367780715@f250.mail.ru>
	<1339360119.781482581@f123.mail.ru>
	<AE34A801-617D-43F4-8825-72CB58E380F6@phulse.com>
Message-ID: <1339443469.973398459@f140.mail.ru>

Hi Hans --

I wish Denmark football team won Portugal...

> Some day soon I hope.
You're welcome, give me a call when you'll start your trip here...

> I've never really been to Russia, I'm afraid...
It's not that dangerous, I mean that. You'll see many similarities to Copenhagen in St.Petersburg... and many differences...
At least the weather and nature are very similar here summer time: I have been with family to Copenhagen in June a couple of years ago and then we have got rented a car and went to Billund (LEGOLand) so we traversed your native country from East to West (and before that we came from Finland and Sweden) - all three Scandinavian countries' (Finland, Sweden and Denmark) nature look very similar to North-West Russian one: I have even got brought from Billund area several sprouting acorns and they are growing here now in the garden as small oaks having survived two Russian winters...

Thank you.

-- Shamil


Sun, 10 Jun 2012 15:45:00 -0700 ?? Hans-Christian Andersen <hans.andersen at phulse.com>:
> Hehe. Thanks. :) Here's hoping we will fare well against Portugal, which is going to be as much of a challenge, if not more so, as their playing style is very different.
> 
> I've never really been to Russia, I'm afraid... Apart from staying a night in a hotel near the airport in Moscow while in transit. I would very much like to see St Petersburg, as it is a stunning city. I'm also starting to appreciate history as I age and there is so much of it in Russia. But now I live all the way over here in BC Canada, so it's a rather long trip to plan for. Some day soon I hope.
> 
> - Hans
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On 2012-06-10, at 1:28 PM, Salakhetdinov Shamil <mcp2004 at mail.ru> wrote:
> 
> > Sorry, Hans, I missed to congratulate you with Denmark winning over the Netherlands in Euro 2012 Football Championship.
> > I should have mentioned Asger too.
> > My congratulations Gustav, Hans and Asger! :) (missed somebody else from Denmark?)
> > 
> > Thank you.
> > 
> > -- Shamil
> > 
> > P.S. From my childhood Hans-Christian Andersen (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hans_Christian_Andersen) your Hans full namesake got somehow associated in my braincells with Sweden not with Denmark. I have been to Denmark, Copenhagen, and I have seen the monument to Hans-Christian Andersen there still I didn't get wrong link to Sweden destroyed :)
> > And Denmark was always associated for me with Hamlet (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamlet), from my very early childhood  ages- we all study "Hamlet" here in kindergarten you know :) - just kidding but AFAIKR I first watched this film (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamlet_(1964_film)) when a kid - since that time Denmark and Hamlet are tightly linked for me: when in Denmark I have been to Elsinore, everything was there as I have got it in my very early age from the Soviet movie...
> > 
<<< snip >>>


From mcp2004 at mail.ru  Mon Jun 11 14:51:51 2012
From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=)
Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2012 23:51:51 +0400
Subject: [AccessD]
 =?utf-8?q?OT=3A_Football_and_Hamlet_=28was=3A_Dvorak=27?=
 =?utf-8?q?s_rant_on_Windows_8=29?=
In-Reply-To: <sfd5e2dc.092@cactus.dk>
References: <sfd5e2dc.092@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <1339444311.310805475@f105.mail.ru>

Hi Gustav --

That Hamlet movie is great thanks to direction of  Grigori Kozintsev (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grigori_Kozintsev) and star play of Innokenty Smoktunovsky  (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Innokenty_Smoktunovsky) and other actors,
If you liked it you can also try to get and watch King Lear ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_Lear_(1971_USSR_film)) and maybe even  Don Quixote (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Don_Quixote_(1957_film)).

Have you seen Solaris (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solaris_(1972_film)) by Andrei  Tarkovsky (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrei_Tarkovsky)?

Thank you.

-- Shamil

Mon, 11 Jun 2012 12:21:19 +0200 ?? "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>:
> Hi Shamil
> 
> Thanks! Though football is an area that range far, far down on my priority list. I have, however, learned some of the terms of the sport and by throwing these in, I can often mess up a discussion between beer drinking pub-style "experts". Great fun.
> 
> The old Hamlet movie from '64 is, by the way, by many - including me - considered the best Hamlet movie ever made. Not that more recent interpretations are bad, but this one stands out.
> 
> /gustav
> 
> 
> >>> mcp2004 at mail.ru 10-06-12 22:28 >>>
> Sorry, Hans, I missed to congratulate you with Denmark winning over the Netherlands in Euro 2012 Football Championship.
> I should have mentioned Asger too.
> My congratulations Gustav, Hans and Asger! :) (missed somebody else from Denmark?)
> 
> Thank you.
> 
> -- Shamil
> 
> P.S. From my childhood Hans-Christian Andersen (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hans_Christian_Andersen) your Hans full namesake got somehow associated in my braincells with Sweden not with Denmark. I have been to Denmark, Copenhagen, and I have seen the monument to Hans-Christian Andersen there still I didn't get wrong link to Sweden destroyed :)
> And Denmark was always associated for me with Hamlet (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamlet), from my very early childhood  ages- we all study "Hamlet" here in kindergarten you know :) - just kidding but AFAIKR I first watched this film (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamlet_(1964_film)) when a kid - since that time Denmark and Hamlet are tightly linked for me: when in Denmark I have been to Elsinore, everything was there as I have got it in my very early age from the Soviet movie...
> 
> Sun, 10 Jun 2012 02:17:53 -0700 ?? Hans-Christian Andersen <hans.andersen at phulse.com>:
> > 
> > 
> > There's another proud Dane here, FYI :)
> > 
> > Hans
> 
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Mon Jun 11 16:43:31 2012
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2012 14:43:31 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Dvorak's rant on Windows 8
In-Reply-To: <1339443469.973398459@f140.mail.ru>
References: <1339314926.367780715@f250.mail.ru><1339360119.781482581@f123.mail.ru><AE34A801-617D-43F4-8825-72CB58E380F6@phulse.com>
	<1339443469.973398459@f140.mail.ru>
Message-ID: <EEB17274752A40AA82900AAAB95B45E5@creativesystemdesigns.com>

I am of two minds on that subject. ;-)

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Salakhetdinov
Shamil
Sent: Monday, June 11, 2012 12:38 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Dvorak's rant on Windows 8

Hi Hans --

I wish Denmark football team won Portugal...

> Some day soon I hope.
You're welcome, give me a call when you'll start your trip here...

> I've never really been to Russia, I'm afraid...
It's not that dangerous, I mean that. You'll see many similarities to
Copenhagen in St.Petersburg... and many differences...
At least the weather and nature are very similar here summer time: I have
been with family to Copenhagen in June a couple of years ago and then we
have got rented a car and went to Billund (LEGOLand) so we traversed your
native country from East to West (and before that we came from Finland and
Sweden) - all three Scandinavian countries' (Finland, Sweden and Denmark)
nature look very similar to North-West Russian one: I have even got brought
from Billund area several sprouting acorns and they are growing here now in
the garden as small oaks having survived two Russian winters...

Thank you.

-- Shamil


Sun, 10 Jun 2012 15:45:00 -0700 ?? Hans-Christian Andersen
<hans.andersen at phulse.com>:
> Hehe. Thanks. :) Here's hoping we will fare well against Portugal, which
is going to be as much of a challenge, if not more so, as their playing
style is very different.
> 
> I've never really been to Russia, I'm afraid... Apart from staying a night
in a hotel near the airport in Moscow while in transit. I would very much
like to see St Petersburg, as it is a stunning city. I'm also starting to
appreciate history as I age and there is so much of it in Russia. But now I
live all the way over here in BC Canada, so it's a rather long trip to plan
for. Some day soon I hope.
> 
> - Hans
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On 2012-06-10, at 1:28 PM, Salakhetdinov Shamil <mcp2004 at mail.ru> wrote:
> 
> > Sorry, Hans, I missed to congratulate you with Denmark winning over the
Netherlands in Euro 2012 Football Championship.
> > I should have mentioned Asger too.
> > My congratulations Gustav, Hans and Asger! :) (missed somebody else from
Denmark?)
> > 
> > Thank you.
> > 
> > -- Shamil
> > 
> > P.S. From my childhood Hans-Christian Andersen
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hans_Christian_Andersen) your Hans full
namesake got somehow associated in my braincells with Sweden not with
Denmark. I have been to Denmark, Copenhagen, and I have seen the monument to
Hans-Christian Andersen there still I didn't get wrong link to Sweden
destroyed :)
> > And Denmark was always associated for me with Hamlet
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamlet), from my very early childhood  ages-
we all study "Hamlet" here in kindergarten you know :) - just kidding but
AFAIKR I first watched this film
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamlet_(1964_film)) when a kid - since that
time Denmark and Hamlet are tightly linked for me: when in Denmark I have
been to Elsinore, everything was there as I have got it in my very early age
from the Soviet movie...
> > 
<<< snip >>>

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From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au  Mon Jun 11 19:19:12 2012
From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins)
Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2012 00:19:12 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Whilst on Windows 8
Message-ID: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B524F9C261@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>

Hi folks,

I found these on the weekend and had a read.  It is rather long, but I found it was well worth a read - however you will need more than a spare 5 minutes though.

<http://www.mobileopportunity.blogspot.com.au/2012/05/fear-and-loathing-and-windows-8.html>

The following quote (taken from the link above) really raises my concerns and fears about this whole iPad tablet craze..

"People, not files, are the center of activity.  There has been a marked change in the kinds of activities people spend time doing on the PC. In balance to "traditional" PC activities such as writing and creating, people are increasingly reading and socializing, keeping up with people and their pictures and their thoughts, and communicating with them in short, frequent bursts. Life online is moving faster and faster, and people are progressively using their PCs to keep up with and participate in that. And much of this activity and excitement is happening inside the web browser, in experiences built using HTML and other web technologies."

Let me <<the author, not Darryl>> translate that for you: "We're optimizing Windows for using Facebook and YouTube at the expense of performing productivity tasks."

Yeah, that maybe great for web surfing and Joe and Joette Bogan on the daily train commute, but if you actually want to do the sort of productive work that we (and most of the corporate world does) then I think MS are out of their heads.  They seem to be so desperate and focussed on getting a foothold in Mobile (and tablet) that they are risking killing the golden goose (namely the whole corporate productivity 'Office' market).

File management, or the lack of it, also freaks me out.  Actually after reading the way the iPad handles file management (which to me seems highly inefficient) it has really put me off the idea of one for anything but media consumption.  W8 doesn't seem to be much better, but I guess it is early days still.

<http://windowssecrets.com/newsletter/how-to-transfer-files-from-windows-to-the-ipad/?u=darklydrawl at yahoo.com.au&r=16913-15810>

Anyway... I found both of these interesting.

You may find some value too.

Cheers
Darryl


From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Mon Jun 11 20:08:25 2012
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2012 11:08:25 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Whilst on Windows 8
In-Reply-To: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B524F9C261@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
References: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B524F9C261@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <4FD69689.635.532D88E@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

Yep, it seems farily clear to me that MS are pursuing  the "social media" market and hoping 
that their captive business market will put up with the inconvenience.

I doubt that it will end well for them


On 12 Jun 2012 at 0:19, Darryl Collins wrote:

> 
> "People, not files, are the center of activity.  There has been a
> marked change in the kinds of activities people spend time doing on
> the PC. In balance to "traditional" PC activities such as writing and
> creating, people are increasingly reading and socializing, keeping up
> with people and their pictures and their thoughts, and communicating
> with them in short, frequent bursts. Life online is moving faster and
> faster, and people are progressively using their PCs to keep up with
> and participate in that. And much of this activity and excitement is
> happening inside the web browser, in experiences built using HTML and
> other web technologies." 
> 
> Let me <<the author, not Darryl>> translate that for you: "We're
> optimizing Windows for using Facebook and YouTube at the expense of
> performing productivity tasks." 
> 
> Yeah, that maybe great for web surfing and Joe and Joette Bogan on the
> daily train commute, but if you actually want to do the sort of
> productive work that we (and most of the corporate world does) then I
> think MS are out of their heads.  They seem to be so desperate and
> focussed on getting a foothold in Mobile (and tablet) that they are
> risking killing the golden goose (namely the whole corporate
> productivity 'Office' market). 
> 
--
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Mob: +675 7100 2028
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Mon Jun 11 21:00:21 2012
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2012 19:00:21 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Whilst on Windows 8
In-Reply-To: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B524F9C261@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
References: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B524F9C261@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <32A9580E26EF45728161BDB84DCD4954@creativesystemdesigns.com>

My thoughts on why Windows 8. 

Everyone or at least most are saying the Microsoft is killing themselves but
not really. They are just trying to resolve a number of problems and W8 is
the ticket. For years they have provided a cheap OS on every PC but have
reaped little in benefits (no as much as they would like) and now is the
chance to turn things around. They are going for the long pass.

1. Their new system will not support other browsers than IE. No more
challengers. Now they will have complete control of not only IE development
but all other products running through their system. Bing will be the
default search engine of course and MS will have undivided sales revenues.

2. Google would be not be gone of course but it dominance on the MS
platforms will be dramatically reduced. One enemy slowed.

3. Backward compatibility is always been an expensive issue and takes lots
of additional programming to support with no apparent reaping of benefits.
W8 clients, if they want application will have to buy new MS
applications...more profit.

4. All application that will go on the system will have to be vetted through
Microsoft. Rest assured applications that are competing with MS applications
will have a hard time finding a good place and they will have to adhere to
very strict MS policies. More chances that clients will just purchase or
lease through the cloud, MS products.

5. Far less chances for viruses as Microsoft will control all internet
access and that's good for business.

6. Another thorn in their side has been the Open Source community and with a
combination of the new extended BIOS and careful vigilance their impact can
be slowed and maybe even halted. This will mean stopping defectors and that
mean more sales of MS products.

7. Being able to easily detect and eliminate any installed products suspect
of a patent violation or writes infringements now can be easily detected and
crippled. Of course if you anti-up those issues can be solved.

8. By limiting the number of developers on their new platforms a greater
profit can be made from those and by those adding extra features. Much like
Oracle who only provide support to their certified techs...certification
that costs a fair dollar.

9. Of course any applications will be able to run on the system but only
when installed in a virtual PC interface. Then the new applications will not
perform as well as they are not running in native mode. Such abominations as
VirtulBox will have to find another home of course.

10. Goodbye VB and any direct support of it. Time for all programmers to
learn .Net products and pay for the development tools instead getting them
for free. 

There are probably many other good business reasons for Microsoft to move to
W8 but these are high-lights. 

Will MS loss many customers? Yes and no. Most customers will have to just
languish using Windows 7 as slowly over a few years, like XP it will be
phased out. By then the fear of W8 will be over and they will have little
choice but to migrate as all new PCs will come with W8 on them. (I am sure
there will be some great migration tools available by then and they will be
very reasonabily priced) In the meantime, all users that have moved will
have paid a handsome amount in purchasing and supporting new MS
software....not all at once but slowly and steadily. Most of the riffraff
developer will have gone, Google, FF etc revenue streams will be
dramatically down and the Open Source world will have to find other OSs on
which to run their evil products. 

Will there be a mass movement to such systems like Apple or Linux or even
some new Android platform? Not likely, as few businesses have the resources
to go Apple, there are too few Apple techs to do any major migrations or
have the skills needed to attach to backend servers, most users are totally
freaked with Linux distros and no other Operating systems are there yet to
challenge.

In summary, Microsoft has placed a bold new plan in place which allow them
to regain virtually absolute control of the market and they might just as
likely succeed. Their profits may be dramatically down but in the next five
years they may again rival those of Apple.

Resistance is futile.

Jim 


From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au  Mon Jun 11 23:05:01 2012
From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins)
Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2012 04:05:01 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Whilst on Windows 8
In-Reply-To: <32A9580E26EF45728161BDB84DCD4954@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B524F9C261@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
	<32A9580E26EF45728161BDB84DCD4954@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B524F9C4F5@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>

Thanks Jim,

That was a good and interesting read and puts a nice focus on MS reasoning at least.

I think you sum it up best with "Resistance is futile."

Guess we will wait and see what the future brings in this area.  Most of us are just going to have to suck it up.  Hopefully by the time that day comes they will have figured out the worst of the productivity killers in the UI.

Cheers
Darryl.


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Tuesday, 12 June 2012 12:00 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'; dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Whilst on Windows 8

My thoughts on why Windows 8. 

Everyone or at least most are saying the Microsoft is killing themselves but not really. They are just trying to resolve a number of problems and W8 is the ticket. For years they have provided a cheap OS on every PC but have reaped little in benefits (no as much as they would like) and now is the chance to turn things around. They are going for the long pass.


<<Snip>> 




From hans.andersen at phulse.com  Mon Jun 11 23:41:55 2012
From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen)
Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2012 21:41:55 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Whilst on Windows 8
In-Reply-To: <32A9580E26EF45728161BDB84DCD4954@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B524F9C261@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
	<32A9580E26EF45728161BDB84DCD4954@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <17FFFCCE-CA61-4398-A102-AF51C0E2078D@phulse.com>

The only problem with your forecast is that Microsoft is playing long term and anything can happen in the next 5 years, so their strategy can fail easily. Things change very quickly these days.

Perhaps users are scared of Linux now and Apple may be a bit more costly than businesses are willing to pay for, but I am certain somebody is going to see a gap in the market and come out with a product. Microsoft is shooting themselves in the foot. Monopolies never last.

Imagine if Google released their own Linux distro (and I don't mean chrome os)? Just their brand recognition would be enough to cause a shift, but this is an assumption. What's more likely is that people will start ditching desktops and laptops in favour of devices like tablets and Microsoft is in serious trouble if that happens, because they will have no credibility if they are willing to upset their users like this.

Windows 8 is the mark of an end of an era, where MS was a complete monopoly. We are now going back to a world with different fiefdoms and a bit of uncertainty.

- Hans


On 2012-06-11, at 7:00 PM, "Jim Lawrence" <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:

> My thoughts on why Windows 8. 
> 
> Everyone or at least most are saying the Microsoft is killing themselves but
> not really. They are just trying to resolve a number of problems and W8 is
> the ticket. For years they have provided a cheap OS on every PC but have
> reaped little in benefits (no as much as they would like) and now is the
> chance to turn things around. They are going for the long pass.
> 
> 1. Their new system will not support other browsers than IE. No more
> challengers. Now they will have complete control of not only IE development
> but all other products running through their system. Bing will be the
> default search engine of course and MS will have undivided sales revenues.
> 
> 2. Google would be not be gone of course but it dominance on the MS
> platforms will be dramatically reduced. One enemy slowed.
> 
> 3. Backward compatibility is always been an expensive issue and takes lots
> of additional programming to support with no apparent reaping of benefits.
> W8 clients, if they want application will have to buy new MS
> applications...more profit.
> 
> 4. All application that will go on the system will have to be vetted through
> Microsoft. Rest assured applications that are competing with MS applications
> will have a hard time finding a good place and they will have to adhere to
> very strict MS policies. More chances that clients will just purchase or
> lease through the cloud, MS products.
> 
> 5. Far less chances for viruses as Microsoft will control all internet
> access and that's good for business.
> 
> 6. Another thorn in their side has been the Open Source community and with a
> combination of the new extended BIOS and careful vigilance their impact can
> be slowed and maybe even halted. This will mean stopping defectors and that
> mean more sales of MS products.
> 
> 7. Being able to easily detect and eliminate any installed products suspect
> of a patent violation or writes infringements now can be easily detected and
> crippled. Of course if you anti-up those issues can be solved.
> 
> 8. By limiting the number of developers on their new platforms a greater
> profit can be made from those and by those adding extra features. Much like
> Oracle who only provide support to their certified techs...certification
> that costs a fair dollar.
> 
> 9. Of course any applications will be able to run on the system but only
> when installed in a virtual PC interface. Then the new applications will not
> perform as well as they are not running in native mode. Such abominations as
> VirtulBox will have to find another home of course.
> 
> 10. Goodbye VB and any direct support of it. Time for all programmers to
> learn .Net products and pay for the development tools instead getting them
> for free. 
> 
> There are probably many other good business reasons for Microsoft to move to
> W8 but these are high-lights. 
> 
> Will MS loss many customers? Yes and no. Most customers will have to just
> languish using Windows 7 as slowly over a few years, like XP it will be
> phased out. By then the fear of W8 will be over and they will have little
> choice but to migrate as all new PCs will come with W8 on them. (I am sure
> there will be some great migration tools available by then and they will be
> very reasonabily priced) In the meantime, all users that have moved will
> have paid a handsome amount in purchasing and supporting new MS
> software....not all at once but slowly and steadily. Most of the riffraff
> developer will have gone, Google, FF etc revenue streams will be
> dramatically down and the Open Source world will have to find other OSs on
> which to run their evil products. 
> 
> Will there be a mass movement to such systems like Apple or Linux or even
> some new Android platform? Not likely, as few businesses have the resources
> to go Apple, there are too few Apple techs to do any major migrations or
> have the skills needed to attach to backend servers, most users are totally
> freaked with Linux distros and no other Operating systems are there yet to
> challenge.
> 
> In summary, Microsoft has placed a bold new plan in place which allow them
> to regain virtually absolute control of the market and they might just as
> likely succeed. Their profits may be dramatically down but in the next five
> years they may again rival those of Apple.
> 
> Resistance is futile.
> 
> Jim 
> 
> -- 
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> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
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From Benson at ge.com  Tue Jun 12 00:06:05 2012
From: Benson at ge.com (Benson, William (GE Global Research, consultant))
Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2012 05:06:05 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Oracle Pass Thru
Message-ID: <93D10F008B998B4A83BCA855A33EEF372C7FF01C@CINMBCNA01.e2k.ad.ge.com>

I am a little ashamed at asking so many Oracle query syntax questions, I hope to be out of the woods soon. I would like either to make the non-pass thru query run faster or solve the syntax problem with the pass thru.


Non-pass-thru:
The following query, with linked tables Solarconnect_SID_consolidated_gib_view  and SOLARCONNECT_GIBIX_CUSTOMER_HIERARCHY seems to run, but it takes a long time. Presumably because they are odbc linked tables, but possibly also by poor query construction.


UPDATE Solarconnect_SID_consolidated_gib_view AS A 
INNER JOIN 
	(SELECT
		 SOLARCONNECT_SID_CONSOLIDATED_GIB_VIEW.SITE_DUNS_NO, 
		DOM.PARENT_CUSTOMER_DUNS
	FROM 	
		SOLARCONNECT_SID_CONSOLIDATED_GIB_VIEW 
	INNER JOIN 
		SOLARCONNECT_GIBIX_CUSTOMER_HIERARCHY AS DOM 
	ON 
		SOLARCONNECT_SID_CONSOLIDATED_GIB_VIEW.SITE_DUNS_NO = DOM.CHILD_CUSTOMER_DUNS
	WHERE 
			DOM.PARENT_CUSTOMER_TYPE="DOM" 
		AND 
			DOM.CHILD_CUSTOMER_TYPE="STE"
	)  AS B 

ON 

	A.Site_duns_no = B.Site_duns_no 
SET	 A.dom_customer_duns_no = B.parent_customer_duns;


I tried making it a pass thru, but then the syntax was rejected (note that when a passthru, the SOLARCONNECT prefix is not needed, that is only for linked tables):


UPDATE SID_consolidated_gib_view A 
INNER JOIN 
(
SELECT X.SITE_DUNS_NO, DOM.PARENT_CUSTOMER_DUNS
FROM 
SID_CONSOLIDATED_GIB_VIEW X
LEFT OUTER JOIN 
GIBIX_CUSTOMER_HIERARCHY DOM 
ON
X.SITE_DUNS_NO = DOM.CHILD_CUSTOMER_DUNS
WHERE 
DOM.CHILD_CUSTOMER_TYPE='STE'
AND
DOM.PARENT_CUSTOMER_TYPE='DOM'

)  B 



ON A.Site_duns_no = B.Site_duns_no 

SET A.dom_customer_duns_no = B.parent_customer_duns;


From Benson at ge.com  Tue Jun 12 00:29:32 2012
From: Benson at ge.com (Benson, William (GE Global Research, consultant))
Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2012 05:29:32 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Oracle Pass Thru
In-Reply-To: <93D10F008B998B4A83BCA855A33EEF372C7FF01C@CINMBCNA01.e2k.ad.ge.com>
References: <93D10F008B998B4A83BCA855A33EEF372C7FF01C@CINMBCNA01.e2k.ad.ge.com>
Message-ID: <93D10F008B998B4A83BCA855A33EEF372C7FF094@CINMBCNA01.e2k.ad.ge.com>

By the bye, when the first query finished, even through there were only 139 rows in the table being update, Access said that 8089 rows were going to be updated. I have often run into this with update queries.


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Benson, William (GE Global Research, consultant)
Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2012 1:06 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Oracle Pass Thru

I am a little ashamed at asking so many Oracle query syntax questions, I hope to be out of the woods soon. I would like either to make the non-pass thru query run faster or solve the syntax problem with the pass thru.


Non-pass-thru:
The following query, with linked tables Solarconnect_SID_consolidated_gib_view  and SOLARCONNECT_GIBIX_CUSTOMER_HIERARCHY seems to run, but it takes a long time. Presumably because they are odbc linked tables, but possibly also by poor query construction.



UPDATE Solarconnect_SID_consolidated_gib_view AS A INNER JOIN 
	(SELECT
		 SOLARCONNECT_SID_CONSOLIDATED_GIB_VIEW.SITE_DUNS_NO, 
		DOM.PARENT_CUSTOMER_DUNS
	FROM 	
		SOLARCONNECT_SID_CONSOLIDATED_GIB_VIEW 
	INNER JOIN 
		SOLARCONNECT_GIBIX_CUSTOMER_HIERARCHY AS DOM 
	ON 
		SOLARCONNECT_SID_CONSOLIDATED_GIB_VIEW.SITE_DUNS_NO = DOM.CHILD_CUSTOMER_DUNS
	WHERE 
			DOM.PARENT_CUSTOMER_TYPE="DOM" 
		AND 
			DOM.CHILD_CUSTOMER_TYPE="STE"
	)  AS B 

ON 

	A.Site_duns_no = B.Site_duns_no 
SET	 A.dom_customer_duns_no = B.parent_customer_duns;


I tried making it a pass thru, but then the syntax was rejected (note that when a passthru, the SOLARCONNECT prefix is not needed, that is only for linked tables):


UPDATE SID_consolidated_gib_view A
INNER JOIN
(
SELECT X.SITE_DUNS_NO, DOM.PARENT_CUSTOMER_DUNS FROM SID_CONSOLIDATED_GIB_VIEW X LEFT OUTER JOIN GIBIX_CUSTOMER_HIERARCHY DOM ON X.SITE_DUNS_NO = DOM.CHILD_CUSTOMER_DUNS WHERE DOM.CHILD_CUSTOMER_TYPE='STE'
AND
DOM.PARENT_CUSTOMER_TYPE='DOM'

)  B 



ON A.Site_duns_no = B.Site_duns_no 

SET A.dom_customer_duns_no = B.parent_customer_duns;

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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Tue Jun 12 00:59:57 2012
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2012 15:59:57 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Oracle Pass Thru
In-Reply-To: <93D10F008B998B4A83BCA855A33EEF372C7FF094@CINMBCNA01.e2k.ad.ge.com>
References: <93D10F008B998B4A83BCA855A33EEF372C7FF01C@CINMBCNA01.e2k.ad.ge.com>,
	<93D10F008B998B4A83BCA855A33EEF372C7FF094@CINMBCNA01.e2k.ad.ge.com>
Message-ID: <4FD6DADD.7324.63DC062@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

I would guess that your (SELECT ... ) AS B has on average about 58 records for each record 
in your  view A.

-- 
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On 12 Jun 2012 at 5:29, Benson, William (GE Global Re wrote:

> By the bye, when the first query finished, even through there were
> only 139 rows in the table being update, Access said that 8089 rows
> were going to be updated. I have often run into this with update
> queries. 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Benson, William (GE Global Research, consultant)
> Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2012 1:06 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] Oracle Pass Thru
> 
> I am a little ashamed at asking so many Oracle query syntax questions, I hope to be out of the woods soon. I would like either to make the non-pass thru query run faster or solve the syntax problem with the pass thru.
> 
> 
> Non-pass-thru: The following query, with linked tables
> Solarconnect_SID_consolidated_gib_view  and
> SOLARCONNECT_GIBIX_CUSTOMER_HIERARCHY seems to run, but it takes a
> long time. Presumably because they are odbc linked tables, but
> possibly also by poor query construction. 
> 
> 
> 
> UPDATE Solarconnect_SID_consolidated_gib_view AS A INNER JOIN 
> 	(SELECT
> 		 SOLARCONNECT_SID_CONSOLIDATED_GIB_VIEW.SITE_DUNS_NO, 
> 		DOM.PARENT_CUSTOMER_DUNS
> 	FROM 	
> 		SOLARCONNECT_SID_CONSOLIDATED_GIB_VIEW 
> 	INNER JOIN 
> 		SOLARCONNECT_GIBIX_CUSTOMER_HIERARCHY AS DOM 
> 	ON 
> 		SOLARCONNECT_SID_CONSOLIDATED_GIB_VIEW.SITE_DUNS_NO = DOM.CHILD_CUSTOMER_DUNS
> 	WHERE 
> 			DOM.PARENT_CUSTOMER_TYPE="DOM" 
> 		AND 
> 			DOM.CHILD_CUSTOMER_TYPE="STE"
> 	)  AS B 
> 
> ON 
> 
> 	A.Site_duns_no = B.Site_duns_no 
> SET	 A.dom_customer_duns_no = B.parent_customer_duns;
> 
> 
> I tried making it a pass thru, but then the syntax was rejected (note that when a passthru, the SOLARCONNECT prefix is not needed, that is only for linked tables):
> 
> 
> UPDATE SID_consolidated_gib_view A
> INNER JOIN
> (
> SELECT X.SITE_DUNS_NO, DOM.PARENT_CUSTOMER_DUNS FROM SID_CONSOLIDATED_GIB_VIEW X LEFT OUTER JOIN GIBIX_CUSTOMER_HIERARCHY DOM ON X.SITE_DUNS_NO = DOM.CHILD_CUSTOMER_DUNS WHERE DOM.CHILD_CUSTOMER_TYPE='STE'
> AND
> DOM.PARENT_CUSTOMER_TYPE='DOM'
> 
> )  B 
> 
> 
> 
> ON A.Site_duns_no = B.Site_duns_no 
> 
> SET A.dom_customer_duns_no = B.parent_customer_duns;
> 
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Tue Jun 12 03:58:02 2012
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2012 10:58:02 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Football and Hamlet (was: Dvorak's rant
	on	Windows 8)
Message-ID: <sfd720d7.031@cactus.dk>

Hi Shamil

Solaris pops up now and then on a TV channel or festival but until now I've been out of luck to attend. One day I will succeed, I hope, or find a DVD copy.

/gustav


>>> mcp2004 at mail.ru 11-06-12 21:51 >>>
Hi Gustav --

That Hamlet movie is great thanks to direction of  Grigori Kozintsev (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grigori_Kozintsev) and star play of Innokenty Smoktunovsky  (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Innokenty_Smoktunovsky) and other actors,
If you liked it you can also try to get and watch King Lear ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_Lear_(1971_USSR_film)) and maybe even  Don Quixote (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Don_Quixote_(1957_film)).

Have you seen Solaris (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solaris_(1972_film)) by Andrei  Tarkovsky (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrei_Tarkovsky)?

Thank you.

-- Shamil

Mon, 11 Jun 2012 12:21:19 +0200 ?? "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>:
> Hi Shamil
> 
> Thanks! Though football is an area that range far, far down on my priority list. I have, however, learned some of the terms of the sport and by throwing these in, I can often mess up a discussion between beer drinking pub-style "experts". Great fun.
> 
> The old Hamlet movie from '64 is, by the way, by many - including me - considered the best Hamlet movie ever made. Not that more recent interpretations are bad, but this one stands out.
> 
> /gustav
> 
> 
> >>> mcp2004 at mail.ru 10-06-12 22:28 >>>
> Sorry, Hans, I missed to congratulate you with Denmark winning over the Netherlands in Euro 2012 Football Championship.
> I should have mentioned Asger too.
> My congratulations Gustav, Hans and Asger! :) (missed somebody else from Denmark?)
> 
> Thank you.
> 
> -- Shamil
> 
> P.S. From my childhood Hans-Christian Andersen (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hans_Christian_Andersen) your Hans full namesake got somehow associated in my braincells with Sweden not with Denmark. I have been to Denmark, Copenhagen, and I have seen the monument to Hans-Christian Andersen there still I didn't get wrong link to Sweden destroyed :)
> And Denmark was always associated for me with Hamlet (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamlet), from my very early childhood  ages- we all study "Hamlet" here in kindergarten you know :) - just kidding but AFAIKR I first watched this film (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamlet_(1964_film)) when a kid - since that time Denmark and Hamlet are tightly linked for me: when in Denmark I have been to Elsinore, everything was there as I have got it in my very early age from the Soviet movie...
> 
> Sun, 10 Jun 2012 02:17:53 -0700 ?? Hans-Christian Andersen <hans.andersen at phulse.com>:
> > 
> > 
> > There's another proud Dane here, FYI :)
> > 
> > Hans



From gustav at cactus.dk  Tue Jun 12 04:12:17 2012
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2012 11:12:17 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Whilst on Windows 8
Message-ID: <sfd72420.032@cactus.dk>

Hi Stuart and Darryl et al

You miss that such a simple thing as a file - not to say the handling of it - still is very abstract to many, even some office workers. Yes, you can learn them "do this and that when you wish this" but the picture of drives, folders, and files - not to say the network - is missing.

Anything that can improve this situation is preferable. One little thing, I've noticed, is that Windows Vista+ lists shared folders as, for example, or primary document folder:

document (\\cactus.dom\cactus data\data)(T:)

"Our document folder" is easier to understand than "drive T:".

/gustav


>>> stuart at lexacorp.com.pg 12-06-12 3:08 >>>
Yep, it seems farily clear to me that MS are pursuing  the "social media" market and hoping 
that their captive business market will put up with the inconvenience.

I doubt that it will end well for them


On 12 Jun 2012 at 0:19, Darryl Collins wrote:

> 
> "People, not files, are the center of activity.  There has been a
> marked change in the kinds of activities people spend time doing on
> the PC. In balance to "traditional" PC activities such as writing and
> creating, people are increasingly reading and socializing, keeping up
> with people and their pictures and their thoughts, and communicating
> with them in short, frequent bursts. Life online is moving faster and
> faster, and people are progressively using their PCs to keep up with
> and participate in that. And much of this activity and excitement is
> happening inside the web browser, in experiences built using HTML and
> other web technologies." 
> 
> Let me <<the author, not Darryl>> translate that for you: "We're
> optimizing Windows for using Facebook and YouTube at the expense of
> performing productivity tasks." 
> 
> Yeah, that maybe great for web surfing and Joe and Joette Bogan on the
> daily train commute, but if you actually want to do the sort of
> productive work that we (and most of the corporate world does) then I
> think MS are out of their heads.  They seem to be so desperate and
> focussed on getting a foothold in Mobile (and tablet) that they are
> risking killing the golden goose (namely the whole corporate
> productivity 'Office' market). 
> 
--
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Mob: +675 7100 2028
Web: http://www.lexacorp.com.pg


From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Tue Jun 12 08:01:49 2012
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (rockysmolin at bchacc.com)
Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2012 06:01:49 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Whilst on Windows 8
Message-ID: <20120612060149.86c3debdd1c3983866efe200e2feb95f.c6d28c10b4.wbe@email18.secureserver.net>


"keeping up with people and their pictures and their thoughts, and
communicating with them in short, frequent bursts. Life online is moving
faster and faster, and people are progressively using their PCs to keep
up with and participate in that."

a good reason too get offline and start talking to real people.  Don't
you see where this is leading?  Isolation with the illusion of human
interaction.

isn't anyone else getting fed up with how much time one feels COMPELLED
to be on line just to be part of this modern culture?

Best geek t-shirt: "I went outside once but the graphics were terrible."

Shoot you cell phone.  Unplug your Cat-5.  Feel the sun on your face.
Actually have coffee with someone instead of both drinking it while on
line.

Or is it because I'm old?

Rocky


-------- Original Message --------
Subject: [AccessD] Whilst on Windows 8
From: Darryl Collins <darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au>
Date: Mon, June 11, 2012 5:19 pm
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving
(accessd at databaseadvisors.com)" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>

Hi folks,

I found these on the weekend and had a read. It is rather long, but I
found it was well worth a read - however you will need more than a spare
5 minutes though.

<http://www.mobileopportunity.blogspot.com.au/2012/05/fear-and-loathing-and-windows-8.html>

The following quote (taken from the link above) really raises my
concerns and fears about this whole iPad tablet craze..

"People, not files, are the center of activity. There has been a marked
change in the kinds of activities people spend time doing on the PC. In
balance to "traditional" PC activities such as writing and creating,
people are increasingly reading and socializing, keeping up with people
and their pictures and their thoughts, and communicating with them in
short, frequent bursts. Life online is moving faster and faster, and
people are progressively using their PCs to keep up with and participate
in that. And much of this activity and excitement is happening inside
the web browser, in experiences built using HTML and other web
technologies."

Let me <<the author, not Darryl>> translate that for you: "We're
optimizing Windows for using Facebook and YouTube at the expense of
performing productivity tasks."

Yeah, that maybe great for web surfing and Joe and Joette Bogan on the
daily train commute, but if you actually want to do the sort of
productive work that we (and most of the corporate world does) then I
think MS are out of their heads. They seem to be so desperate and
focussed on getting a foothold in Mobile (and tablet) that they are
risking killing the golden goose (namely the whole corporate
productivity 'Office' market).

File management, or the lack of it, also freaks me out. Actually after
reading the way the iPad handles file management (which to me seems
highly inefficient) it has really put me off the idea of one for
anything but media consumption. W8 doesn't seem to be much better, but I
guess it is early days still.

<http://windowssecrets.com/newsletter/how-to-transfer-files-from-windows-to-the-ipad/?u=darklydrawl at yahoo.com.au&r=16913-15810>

Anyway... I found both of these interesting.

You may find some value too.

Cheers
Darryl

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From accessd at shaw.ca  Tue Jun 12 10:26:20 2012
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2012 08:26:20 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Whilst on Windows 8
In-Reply-To: <20120612060149.86c3debdd1c3983866efe200e2feb95f.c6d28c10b4.wbe@email18.secureserver.net>
References: <20120612060149.86c3debdd1c3983866efe200e2feb95f.c6d28c10b4.wbe@email18.secureserver.net>
Message-ID: <272475EA454E4693A18D415396B3C618@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Isaac Asimov wrote a Sci-Fi about a distant world, covered with huge
automated farms where the planet's few people met occasionally via a ghostly
3D imagining system (Naked to the Stars). Much of the book dealt with the
inhabitants great fear of real social contact. I think this book was written
in the late 50s...well ahead of its time.

In the book, the great distances between the people made physical contact
difficult. Now a days many people socialize from small adjacent cubicles.

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
rockysmolin at bchacc.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2012 6:02 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Whilst on Windows 8


"keeping up with people and their pictures and their thoughts, and
communicating with them in short, frequent bursts. Life online is moving
faster and faster, and people are progressively using their PCs to keep
up with and participate in that."

a good reason too get offline and start talking to real people.  Don't
you see where this is leading?  Isolation with the illusion of human
interaction.

isn't anyone else getting fed up with how much time one feels COMPELLED
to be on line just to be part of this modern culture?

Best geek t-shirt: "I went outside once but the graphics were terrible."

Shoot you cell phone.  Unplug your Cat-5.  Feel the sun on your face.
Actually have coffee with someone instead of both drinking it while on
line.

Or is it because I'm old?

Rocky


-------- Original Message --------
Subject: [AccessD] Whilst on Windows 8
From: Darryl Collins <darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au>
Date: Mon, June 11, 2012 5:19 pm
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving
(accessd at databaseadvisors.com)" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>

Hi folks,

I found these on the weekend and had a read. It is rather long, but I
found it was well worth a read - however you will need more than a spare
5 minutes though.

<http://www.mobileopportunity.blogspot.com.au/2012/05/fear-and-loathing-and-
windows-8.html>

The following quote (taken from the link above) really raises my
concerns and fears about this whole iPad tablet craze..

"People, not files, are the center of activity. There has been a marked
change in the kinds of activities people spend time doing on the PC. In
balance to "traditional" PC activities such as writing and creating,
people are increasingly reading and socializing, keeping up with people
and their pictures and their thoughts, and communicating with them in
short, frequent bursts. Life online is moving faster and faster, and
people are progressively using their PCs to keep up with and participate
in that. And much of this activity and excitement is happening inside
the web browser, in experiences built using HTML and other web
technologies."

Let me <<the author, not Darryl>> translate that for you: "We're
optimizing Windows for using Facebook and YouTube at the expense of
performing productivity tasks."

Yeah, that maybe great for web surfing and Joe and Joette Bogan on the
daily train commute, but if you actually want to do the sort of
productive work that we (and most of the corporate world does) then I
think MS are out of their heads. They seem to be so desperate and
focussed on getting a foothold in Mobile (and tablet) that they are
risking killing the golden goose (namely the whole corporate
productivity 'Office' market).

File management, or the lack of it, also freaks me out. Actually after
reading the way the iPad handles file management (which to me seems
highly inefficient) it has really put me off the idea of one for
anything but media consumption. W8 doesn't seem to be much better, but I
guess it is early days still.

<http://windowssecrets.com/newsletter/how-to-transfer-files-from-windows-to-
the-ipad/?u=darklydrawl at yahoo.com.au&r=16913-15810>

Anyway... I found both of these interesting.

You may find some value too.

Cheers
Darryl

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From dbdoug at gmail.com  Tue Jun 12 10:34:07 2012
From: dbdoug at gmail.com (Doug Steele)
Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2012 08:34:07 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Whilst on Windows 8
In-Reply-To: <20120612060149.86c3debdd1c3983866efe200e2feb95f.c6d28c10b4.wbe@email18.secureserver.net>
References: <20120612060149.86c3debdd1c3983866efe200e2feb95f.c6d28c10b4.wbe@email18.secureserver.net>
Message-ID: <CAFa8NkgU_ra1wfkxx6g+a9QnMRkPr2wbR4dux3pHAtGcrXb6Mg@mail.gmail.com>

Actually, I find that living online improves communication with my friends
and family.  When I was first married, I lived in England for a year.
 International phone calls were outrageously expensive; handwritten letters
were the only way of talking to my parents.  Last year when my son was in
Europe studying, I could follow him on Facebook, talk to him and SEE him at
the click of a button.    I now live away from the city where I lived for
30 years; again, I can follow and communicate with a group of people that I
probably would seldom phone directly.

Working on line enables me to live near and care for my elderly parents,
allowing them to live where they love, not back in an apartment or home in
a city they hate.

By the way, the deer were nibbling at my kale last night, I fed the pair of
ravens that nest here this morning, and this afternoon I think I'm going to
kayak out to the local islands to look at the sea lions :)

Doug

On Tue, Jun 12, 2012 at 6:01 AM, <rockysmolin at bchacc.com> wrote:

>
> "keeping up with people and their pictures and their thoughts, and
> communicating with them in short, frequent bursts. Life online is moving
> faster and faster, and people are progressively using their PCs to keep
> up with and participate in that."
>
> a good reason too get offline and start talking to real people.  Don't
> you see where this is leading?  Isolation with the illusion of human
> interaction.
>
> isn't anyone else getting fed up with how much time one feels COMPELLED
> to be on line just to be part of this modern culture?
>
> Best geek t-shirt: "I went outside once but the graphics were terrible."
>
> Shoot you cell phone.  Unplug your Cat-5.  Feel the sun on your face.
> Actually have coffee with someone instead of both drinking it while on
> line.
>
> Or is it because I'm old?
>
> Rocky
>
>
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: [AccessD] Whilst on Windows 8
> From: Darryl Collins <darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au>
> Date: Mon, June 11, 2012 5:19 pm
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> (accessd at databaseadvisors.com)" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>
> Hi folks,
>
> I found these on the weekend and had a read. It is rather long, but I
> found it was well worth a read - however you will need more than a spare
> 5 minutes though.
>
> <
> http://www.mobileopportunity.blogspot.com.au/2012/05/fear-and-loathing-and-windows-8.html
> >
>
> The following quote (taken from the link above) really raises my
> concerns and fears about this whole iPad tablet craze..
>
> "People, not files, are the center of activity. There has been a marked
> change in the kinds of activities people spend time doing on the PC. In
> balance to "traditional" PC activities such as writing and creating,
> people are increasingly reading and socializing, keeping up with people
> and their pictures and their thoughts, and communicating with them in
> short, frequent bursts. Life online is moving faster and faster, and
> people are progressively using their PCs to keep up with and participate
> in that. And much of this activity and excitement is happening inside
> the web browser, in experiences built using HTML and other web
> technologies."
>
> Let me <<the author, not Darryl>> translate that for you: "We're
> optimizing Windows for using Facebook and YouTube at the expense of
> performing productivity tasks."
>
> Yeah, that maybe great for web surfing and Joe and Joette Bogan on the
> daily train commute, but if you actually want to do the sort of
> productive work that we (and most of the corporate world does) then I
> think MS are out of their heads. They seem to be so desperate and
> focussed on getting a foothold in Mobile (and tablet) that they are
> risking killing the golden goose (namely the whole corporate
> productivity 'Office' market).
>
> File management, or the lack of it, also freaks me out. Actually after
> reading the way the iPad handles file management (which to me seems
> highly inefficient) it has really put me off the idea of one for
> anything but media consumption. W8 doesn't seem to be much better, but I
> guess it is early days still.
>
> <
> http://windowssecrets.com/newsletter/how-to-transfer-files-from-windows-to-the-ipad/?u=darklydrawl at yahoo.com.au&r=16913-15810
> >
>
> Anyway... I found both of these interesting.
>
> You may find some value too.
>
> Cheers
> Darryl
>
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From michael at mattysconsulting.com  Tue Jun 12 10:44:30 2012
From: michael at mattysconsulting.com (Michael Mattys)
Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2012 11:44:30 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Whilst on Windows 8
In-Reply-To: <272475EA454E4693A18D415396B3C618@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <20120612060149.86c3debdd1c3983866efe200e2feb95f.c6d28c10b4.wbe@email18.secureserver.net>
	<272475EA454E4693A18D415396B3C618@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <02d501cd48b2$42764c40$c762e4c0$@mattysconsulting.com>

<Shrill violins, kettle drums, and striking of anvil>
You tell a scary story, Jim!
Cubicles <<shudder>> Whew!

Michael R Mattys
Mattys Consulting, LLC
www.mattysconsulting.com


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2012 11:26 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Whilst on Windows 8

Isaac Asimov wrote a Sci-Fi about a distant world, covered with huge
automated farms where the planet's few people met occasionally via a ghostly
3D imagining system (Naked to the Stars). Much of the book dealt with the
inhabitants great fear of real social contact. I think this book was written
in the late 50s...well ahead of its time.

In the book, the great distances between the people made physical contact
difficult. Now a days many people socialize from small adjacent cubicles.

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
rockysmolin at bchacc.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2012 6:02 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Whilst on Windows 8


"keeping up with people and their pictures and their thoughts, and
communicating with them in short, frequent bursts. Life online is moving
faster and faster, and people are progressively using their PCs to keep up
with and participate in that."

a good reason too get offline and start talking to real people.  Don't you
see where this is leading?  Isolation with the illusion of human
interaction.

isn't anyone else getting fed up with how much time one feels COMPELLED to
be on line just to be part of this modern culture?

Best geek t-shirt: "I went outside once but the graphics were terrible."

Shoot you cell phone.  Unplug your Cat-5.  Feel the sun on your face.
Actually have coffee with someone instead of both drinking it while on line.

Or is it because I'm old?

Rocky


-------- Original Message --------
Subject: [AccessD] Whilst on Windows 8
From: Darryl Collins <darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au>
Date: Mon, June 11, 2012 5:19 pm
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving
(accessd at databaseadvisors.com)" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>

Hi folks,

I found these on the weekend and had a read. It is rather long, but I found
it was well worth a read - however you will need more than a spare
5 minutes though.

<http://www.mobileopportunity.blogspot.com.au/2012/05/fear-and-loathing-and-
windows-8.html>

The following quote (taken from the link above) really raises my concerns
and fears about this whole iPad tablet craze..

"People, not files, are the center of activity. There has been a marked
change in the kinds of activities people spend time doing on the PC. In
balance to "traditional" PC activities such as writing and creating, people
are increasingly reading and socializing, keeping up with people and their
pictures and their thoughts, and communicating with them in short, frequent
bursts. Life online is moving faster and faster, and people are
progressively using their PCs to keep up with and participate in that. And
much of this activity and excitement is happening inside the web browser, in
experiences built using HTML and other web technologies."

Let me <<the author, not Darryl>> translate that for you: "We're optimizing
Windows for using Facebook and YouTube at the expense of performing
productivity tasks."

Yeah, that maybe great for web surfing and Joe and Joette Bogan on the daily
train commute, but if you actually want to do the sort of productive work
that we (and most of the corporate world does) then I think MS are out of
their heads. They seem to be so desperate and focussed on getting a foothold
in Mobile (and tablet) that they are risking killing the golden goose
(namely the whole corporate productivity 'Office' market).

File management, or the lack of it, also freaks me out. Actually after
reading the way the iPad handles file management (which to me seems highly
inefficient) it has really put me off the idea of one for anything but media
consumption. W8 doesn't seem to be much better, but I guess it is early days
still.

<http://windowssecrets.com/newsletter/how-to-transfer-files-from-windows-to-
the-ipad/?u=darklydrawl at yahoo.com.au&r=16913-15810>

Anyway... I found both of these interesting.

You may find some value too.

Cheers
Darryl

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From dw-murphy at cox.net  Tue Jun 12 10:44:06 2012
From: dw-murphy at cox.net (Doug Murphy)
Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2012 08:44:06 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Whilst on Windows 8
In-Reply-To: <20120612060149.86c3debdd1c3983866efe200e2feb95f.c6d28c10b4.wbe@email18.secureserver.net>
References: <20120612060149.86c3debdd1c3983866efe200e2feb95f.c6d28c10b4.wbe@email18.secureserver.net>
Message-ID: <003201cd48b2$333803e0$99a80ba0$@cox.net>

Think that is a big part of it.



Or is it because I'm old?

Rocky


-------- Original Message --------
Subject: [AccessD] Whilst on Windows 8
From: Darryl Collins <darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au>
Date: Mon, June 11, 2012 5:19 pm
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving
(accessd at databaseadvisors.com)" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>

Hi folks,

I found these on the weekend and had a read. It is rather long, but I found
it was well worth a read - however you will need more than a spare
5 minutes though.

<http://www.mobileopportunity.blogspot.com.au/2012/05/fear-and-loathing-and-
windows-8.html>

The following quote (taken from the link above) really raises my concerns
and fears about this whole iPad tablet craze..

"People, not files, are the center of activity. There has been a marked
change in the kinds of activities people spend time doing on the PC. In
balance to "traditional" PC activities such as writing and creating, people
are increasingly reading and socializing, keeping up with people and their
pictures and their thoughts, and communicating with them in short, frequent
bursts. Life online is moving faster and faster, and people are
progressively using their PCs to keep up with and participate in that. And
much of this activity and excitement is happening inside the web browser, in
experiences built using HTML and other web technologies."

Let me <<the author, not Darryl>> translate that for you: "We're optimizing
Windows for using Facebook and YouTube at the expense of performing
productivity tasks."

Yeah, that maybe great for web surfing and Joe and Joette Bogan on the daily
train commute, but if you actually want to do the sort of productive work
that we (and most of the corporate world does) then I think MS are out of
their heads. They seem to be so desperate and focussed on getting a foothold
in Mobile (and tablet) that they are risking killing the golden goose
(namely the whole corporate productivity 'Office' market).

File management, or the lack of it, also freaks me out. Actually after
reading the way the iPad handles file management (which to me seems highly
inefficient) it has really put me off the idea of one for anything but media
consumption. W8 doesn't seem to be much better, but I guess it is early days
still.

<http://windowssecrets.com/newsletter/how-to-transfer-files-from-windows-to-
the-ipad/?u=darklydrawl at yahoo.com.au&r=16913-15810>

Anyway... I found both of these interesting.

You may find some value too.

Cheers
Darryl

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From gustav at cactus.dk  Tue Jun 12 11:02:21 2012
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2012 18:02:21 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Whilst on Windows 8
Message-ID: <sfd7844f.056@cactus.dk>

Hi Doug et al

Yes, nothing (nearly) is black/white. Any new tool opens options and can be either used or misused.

And don't forget - our list here is a social tool too. A little old and very basic and travelling in the dark, so to say, but still of great value.

/gustav


>>> dbdoug at gmail.com 12-06-12 17:34 >>>
Actually, I find that living online improves communication with my friends
and family.  When I was first married, I lived in England for a year.
 International phone calls were outrageously expensive; handwritten letters
were the only way of talking to my parents.  Last year when my son was in
Europe studying, I could follow him on Facebook, talk to him and SEE him at
the click of a button.    I now live away from the city where I lived for
30 years; again, I can follow and communicate with a group of people that I
probably would seldom phone directly.

Working on line enables me to live near and care for my elderly parents,
allowing them to live where they love, not back in an apartment or home in
a city they hate.

By the way, the deer were nibbling at my kale last night, I fed the pair of
ravens that nest here this morning, and this afternoon I think I'm going to
kayak out to the local islands to look at the sea lions :)

Doug

On Tue, Jun 12, 2012 at 6:01 AM, <rockysmolin at bchacc.com> wrote:

>
> "keeping up with people and their pictures and their thoughts, and
> communicating with them in short, frequent bursts. Life online is moving
> faster and faster, and people are progressively using their PCs to keep
> up with and participate in that."
>
> a good reason too get offline and start talking to real people.  Don't
> you see where this is leading?  Isolation with the illusion of human
> interaction.
>
> isn't anyone else getting fed up with how much time one feels COMPELLED
> to be on line just to be part of this modern culture?
>
> Best geek t-shirt: "I went outside once but the graphics were terrible."
>
> Shoot you cell phone.  Unplug your Cat-5.  Feel the sun on your face.
> Actually have coffee with someone instead of both drinking it while on
> line.
>
> Or is it because I'm old?
>
> Rocky
>
>
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: [AccessD] Whilst on Windows 8
> From: Darryl Collins <darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au>
> Date: Mon, June 11, 2012 5:19 pm
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> (accessd at databaseadvisors.com)" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>
> Hi folks,
>
> I found these on the weekend and had a read. It is rather long, but I
> found it was well worth a read - however you will need more than a spare
> 5 minutes though.
>
> <
> http://www.mobileopportunity.blogspot.com.au/2012/05/fear-and-loathing-and-windows-8.html
> >
>
> The following quote (taken from the link above) really raises my
> concerns and fears about this whole iPad tablet craze..
>
> "People, not files, are the center of activity. There has been a marked
> change in the kinds of activities people spend time doing on the PC. In
> balance to "traditional" PC activities such as writing and creating,
> people are increasingly reading and socializing, keeping up with people
> and their pictures and their thoughts, and communicating with them in
> short, frequent bursts. Life online is moving faster and faster, and
> people are progressively using their PCs to keep up with and participate
> in that. And much of this activity and excitement is happening inside
> the web browser, in experiences built using HTML and other web
> technologies."
>
> Let me <<the author, not Darryl>> translate that for you: "We're
> optimizing Windows for using Facebook and YouTube at the expense of
> performing productivity tasks."
>
> Yeah, that maybe great for web surfing and Joe and Joette Bogan on the
> daily train commute, but if you actually want to do the sort of
> productive work that we (and most of the corporate world does) then I
> think MS are out of their heads. They seem to be so desperate and
> focussed on getting a foothold in Mobile (and tablet) that they are
> risking killing the golden goose (namely the whole corporate
> productivity 'Office' market).
>
> File management, or the lack of it, also freaks me out. Actually after
> reading the way the iPad handles file management (which to me seems
> highly inefficient) it has really put me off the idea of one for
> anything but media consumption. W8 doesn't seem to be much better, but I
> guess it is early days still.
>
> <
> http://windowssecrets.com/newsletter/how-to-transfer-files-from-windows-to-the-ipad/?u=darklydrawl at yahoo.com.au&r=16913-15810
> >
>
> Anyway... I found both of these interesting.
>
> You may find some value too.
>
> Cheers
> Darryl


From steve at goodhall.info  Tue Jun 12 11:02:53 2012
From: steve at goodhall.info (Steve Goodhall)
Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2012 12:02:53 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Whilst on Windows 8
In-Reply-To: <272475EA454E4693A18D415396B3C618@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <9431ba1547dc43dcdee4a86d179bc6a3b5877bfe@sitemail.gate.com>

Not so far ahead of its time as you might think.? You should look at
The Machine Stops by E. M. Forster, November 1909.? It's widely
available on-line including
http://services.exeter.ac.uk/cmit/media/texts/forster/the_machine_stops.pdf.

Also, here's a link to Alone Together, an interesting TED talk by
Sherri Turkle http://www.youtubecom/watch?v=MtLVCpZIiNs

	Regards,?

	Steve Goodhall, MSCS, PMP 

----- Original Message -----
From: Access Developers discussion and problem solving 
To:"Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
Cc:
Sent:Tue, 12 Jun 2012 08:26:20 -0700
Subject:Re: [AccessD] Whilst on Windows 8

 Isaac Asimov wrote a Sci-Fi about a distant world, covered with huge
 automated farms where the planet's few people met occasionally via a
ghostly
 3D imagining system (Naked to the Stars). Much of the book dealt
with the
 inhabitants great fear of real social contact. I think this book was
written
 in the late 50s...well ahead of its time.

 In the book, the great distances between the people made physical
contact
 difficult. Now a days many people socialize from small adjacent
cubicles.

 Jim

 -----Original Message-----
 From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisorscom [1]
 [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [2]] On Behalf Of
rockysmolin at bchacc.com [3]
 Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2012 6:02 AM
 To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
 Subject: Re: [AccessD] Whilst on Windows 8

 "keeping up with people and their pictures and their thoughts, and
 communicating with them in short, frequent bursts. Life online is
moving
 faster and faster, and people are progressively using their PCs to
keep
 up with and participate in that."

 a good reason too get offline and start talking to real people.
Don't
 you see where this is leading? Isolation with the illusion of human
 interaction.

 isn't anyone else getting fed up with how much time one feels
COMPELLED
 to be on line just to be part of this modern culture?

 Best geek t-shirt: "I went outside once but the graphics were
terrible."

 Shoot you cell phone. Unplug your Cat-5. Feel the sun on your face.
 Actually have coffee with someone instead of both drinking it while
on
 line.

 Or is it because I'm old?

 Rocky

 -------- Original Message --------
 Subject: [AccessD] Whilst on Windows 8
 From: Darryl Collins 
 Date: Mon, June 11, 2012 5:19 pm
 To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving
 (accessd at databaseadvisors.com [4])" 

 Hi folks,

 I found these on the weekend and had a read. It is rather long, but
I
 found it was well worth a read - however you will need more than a
spare
 5 minutes though.

windows-8.html> [5]

 The following quote (taken from the link above) really raises my
 concerns and fears about this whole iPad tablet craze..

 "People, not files, are the center of activity. There has been a
marked
 change in the kinds of activities people spend time doing on the PC.
In
 balance to "traditional" PC activities such as writing and creating,
 people are increasingly reading and socializing, keeping up with
people
 and their pictures and their thoughts, and communicating with them
in
 short, frequent bursts. Life online is moving faster and faster, and
 people are progressively using their PCs to keep up with and
participate
 in that. And much of this activity and excitement is happening
inside
 the web browser, in experiences built using HTML and other web
 technologies."

 Let me  translate that for you: "We're
 optimizing Windows for using Facebook and YouTube at the expense of
 performing productivity tasks."

 Yeah, that maybe great for web surfing and Joe and Joette Bogan on
the
 daily train commute, but if you actually want to do the sort of
 productive work that we (and most of the corporate world does) then
I
 think MS are out of their heads. They seem to be so desperate and
 focussed on getting a foothold in Mobile (and tablet) that they are
 risking killing the golden goose (namely the whole corporate
 productivity 'Office' market).

 File management, or the lack of it, also freaks me out. Actually
after
 reading the way the iPad handles file management (which to me seems
 highly inefficient) it has really put me off the idea of one for
 anything but media consumption. W8 doesn't seem to be much better,
but I
 guess it is early days still.

 the-ipad/?u=darklydrawl at yahoo.com.au [6]&r=16913-15810>

 Anyway... I found both of these interesting.

 You may find some value too.

 Cheers
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Tue Jun 12 11:10:00 2012
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2012 09:10:00 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Whilst on Windows 8
In-Reply-To: <CAFa8NkgU_ra1wfkxx6g+a9QnMRkPr2wbR4dux3pHAtGcrXb6Mg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20120612060149.86c3debdd1c3983866efe200e2feb95f.c6d28c10b4.wbe@email18.secureserver.net>
	<CAFa8NkgU_ra1wfkxx6g+a9QnMRkPr2wbR4dux3pHAtGcrXb6Mg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3C57C1A8C6BC482DB84B8C5D27AABA3F@creativesystemdesigns.com>

I see your point but you are of course, living in epitome of Gods country
and too many people would just ruin the scenery :-) Now they can only read,
hear and watch from a distance and dream. ;-)

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Doug Steele
Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2012 8:34 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Whilst on Windows 8

Actually, I find that living online improves communication with my friends
and family.  When I was first married, I lived in England for a year.
 International phone calls were outrageously expensive; handwritten letters
were the only way of talking to my parents.  Last year when my son was in
Europe studying, I could follow him on Facebook, talk to him and SEE him at
the click of a button.    I now live away from the city where I lived for
30 years; again, I can follow and communicate with a group of people that I
probably would seldom phone directly.

Working on line enables me to live near and care for my elderly parents,
allowing them to live where they love, not back in an apartment or home in
a city they hate.

By the way, the deer were nibbling at my kale last night, I fed the pair of
ravens that nest here this morning, and this afternoon I think I'm going to
kayak out to the local islands to look at the sea lions :)

Doug

On Tue, Jun 12, 2012 at 6:01 AM, <rockysmolin at bchacc.com> wrote:

>
> "keeping up with people and their pictures and their thoughts, and
> communicating with them in short, frequent bursts. Life online is moving
> faster and faster, and people are progressively using their PCs to keep
> up with and participate in that."
>
> a good reason too get offline and start talking to real people.  Don't
> you see where this is leading?  Isolation with the illusion of human
> interaction.
>
> isn't anyone else getting fed up with how much time one feels COMPELLED
> to be on line just to be part of this modern culture?
>
> Best geek t-shirt: "I went outside once but the graphics were terrible."
>
> Shoot you cell phone.  Unplug your Cat-5.  Feel the sun on your face.
> Actually have coffee with someone instead of both drinking it while on
> line.
>
> Or is it because I'm old?
>
> Rocky
>
>
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: [AccessD] Whilst on Windows 8
> From: Darryl Collins <darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au>
> Date: Mon, June 11, 2012 5:19 pm
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> (accessd at databaseadvisors.com)" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>
> Hi folks,
>
> I found these on the weekend and had a read. It is rather long, but I
> found it was well worth a read - however you will need more than a spare
> 5 minutes though.
>
> <
>
http://www.mobileopportunity.blogspot.com.au/2012/05/fear-and-loathing-and-w
indows-8.html
> >
>
> The following quote (taken from the link above) really raises my
> concerns and fears about this whole iPad tablet craze..
>
> "People, not files, are the center of activity. There has been a marked
> change in the kinds of activities people spend time doing on the PC. In
> balance to "traditional" PC activities such as writing and creating,
> people are increasingly reading and socializing, keeping up with people
> and their pictures and their thoughts, and communicating with them in
> short, frequent bursts. Life online is moving faster and faster, and
> people are progressively using their PCs to keep up with and participate
> in that. And much of this activity and excitement is happening inside
> the web browser, in experiences built using HTML and other web
> technologies."
>
> Let me <<the author, not Darryl>> translate that for you: "We're
> optimizing Windows for using Facebook and YouTube at the expense of
> performing productivity tasks."
>
> Yeah, that maybe great for web surfing and Joe and Joette Bogan on the
> daily train commute, but if you actually want to do the sort of
> productive work that we (and most of the corporate world does) then I
> think MS are out of their heads. They seem to be so desperate and
> focussed on getting a foothold in Mobile (and tablet) that they are
> risking killing the golden goose (namely the whole corporate
> productivity 'Office' market).
>
> File management, or the lack of it, also freaks me out. Actually after
> reading the way the iPad handles file management (which to me seems
> highly inefficient) it has really put me off the idea of one for
> anything but media consumption. W8 doesn't seem to be much better, but I
> guess it is early days still.
>
> <
>
http://windowssecrets.com/newsletter/how-to-transfer-files-from-windows-to-t
he-ipad/?u=darklydrawl at yahoo.com.au&r=16913-15810
> >
>
> Anyway... I found both of these interesting.
>
> You may find some value too.
>
> Cheers
> Darryl
>
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Tue Jun 12 11:13:18 2012
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2012 09:13:18 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Whilst on Windows 8
In-Reply-To: <003201cd48b2$333803e0$99a80ba0$@cox.net>
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As a friend says, "No you have stayed the same age but the world has just
slide underneath you." ;-)

Jim

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Doug Murphy
Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2012 8:44 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Whilst on Windows 8

Think that is a big part of it.



Or is it because I'm old?

Rocky


-------- Original Message --------
Subject: [AccessD] Whilst on Windows 8
From: Darryl Collins <darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au>
Date: Mon, June 11, 2012 5:19 pm
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving
(accessd at databaseadvisors.com)" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>

Hi folks,

I found these on the weekend and had a read. It is rather long, but I found
it was well worth a read - however you will need more than a spare
5 minutes though.

<http://www.mobileopportunity.blogspot.com.au/2012/05/fear-and-loathing-and-
windows-8.html>

The following quote (taken from the link above) really raises my concerns
and fears about this whole iPad tablet craze..

"People, not files, are the center of activity. There has been a marked
change in the kinds of activities people spend time doing on the PC. In
balance to "traditional" PC activities such as writing and creating, people
are increasingly reading and socializing, keeping up with people and their
pictures and their thoughts, and communicating with them in short, frequent
bursts. Life online is moving faster and faster, and people are
progressively using their PCs to keep up with and participate in that. And
much of this activity and excitement is happening inside the web browser, in
experiences built using HTML and other web technologies."

Let me <<the author, not Darryl>> translate that for you: "We're optimizing
Windows for using Facebook and YouTube at the expense of performing
productivity tasks."

Yeah, that maybe great for web surfing and Joe and Joette Bogan on the daily
train commute, but if you actually want to do the sort of productive work
that we (and most of the corporate world does) then I think MS are out of
their heads. They seem to be so desperate and focussed on getting a foothold
in Mobile (and tablet) that they are risking killing the golden goose
(namely the whole corporate productivity 'Office' market).

File management, or the lack of it, also freaks me out. Actually after
reading the way the iPad handles file management (which to me seems highly
inefficient) it has really put me off the idea of one for anything but media
consumption. W8 doesn't seem to be much better, but I guess it is early days
still.

<http://windowssecrets.com/newsletter/how-to-transfer-files-from-windows-to-
the-ipad/?u=darklydrawl at yahoo.com.au&r=16913-15810>

Anyway... I found both of these interesting.

You may find some value too.

Cheers
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Tue Jun 12 11:26:58 2012
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2012 18:26:58 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Dvorak's rant on Windows 8
Message-ID: <sfd78a0d.057@cactus.dk>

Hi Hans et al

Yep. St. Petersburg is so far from the "dull, grey Soviet city of the cold war" you may have in mind, that it is hard to believe. A true star of the European cities. 
It's not the capital of Russia but could have been, so if you ever have the option to stop by or redirect your journey, don't hesitate.

/gustav


>>> mcp2004 at mail.ru 11-06-12 21:37 >>>
Hi Hans --

I wish Denmark football team won Portugal...

> Some day soon I hope.
You're welcome, give me a call when you'll start your trip here...

> I've never really been to Russia, I'm afraid...
It's not that dangerous, I mean that. You'll see many similarities to Copenhagen in St.Petersburg... and many differences...
At least the weather and nature are very similar here summer time: I have been with family to Copenhagen in June a couple of years ago and then we have got rented a car and went to Billund (LEGOLand) so we traversed your native country from East to West (and before that we came from Finland and Sweden) - all three Scandinavian countries' (Finland, Sweden and Denmark) nature look very similar to North-West Russian one: I have even got brought from Billund area several sprouting acorns and they are growing here now in the garden as small oaks having survived two Russian winters...

Thank you.

-- Shamil


Sun, 10 Jun 2012 15:45:00 -0700 ?? Hans-Christian Andersen <hans.andersen at phulse.com>:
> Hehe. Thanks. :) Here's hoping we will fare well against Portugal, which is going to be as much of a challenge, if not more so, as their playing style is very different.
> 
> I've never really been to Russia, I'm afraid... Apart from staying a night in a hotel near the airport in Moscow while in transit. I would very much like to see St Petersburg, as it is a stunning city. I'm also starting to appreciate history as I age and there is so much of it in Russia. But now I live all the way over here in BC Canada, so it's a rather long trip to plan for. Some day soon I hope.
> 
> - Hans


From accessd at shaw.ca  Tue Jun 12 11:20:54 2012
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2012 09:20:54 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Whilst on Windows 8
In-Reply-To: <9431ba1547dc43dcdee4a86d179bc6a3b5877bfe@sitemail.gate.com>
References: <272475EA454E4693A18D415396B3C618@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<9431ba1547dc43dcdee4a86d179bc6a3b5877bfe@sitemail.gate.com>
Message-ID: <6738CCCEF50F4583943D42154B9F0493@creativesystemdesigns.com>

I like that, Steve. Thanks for the link and I have never heard of E. M.
Forster before...as it appears my educations has been sadly neglected.

The second link does not appear to work.

Jim

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Goodhall
Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2012 9:03 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Whilst on Windows 8

Not so far ahead of its time as you might think.? You should look at
The Machine Stops by E. M. Forster, November 1909.? It's widely
available on-line including
http://services.exeter.ac.uk/cmit/media/texts/forster/the_machine_stops.pdf.

Also, here's a link to Alone Together, an interesting TED talk by
Sherri Turkle http://www.youtubecom/watch?v=MtLVCpZIiNs

	Regards,?

	Steve Goodhall, MSCS, PMP 

----- Original Message -----
From: Access Developers discussion and problem solving 
To:"Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
Cc:
Sent:Tue, 12 Jun 2012 08:26:20 -0700
Subject:Re: [AccessD] Whilst on Windows 8

 Isaac Asimov wrote a Sci-Fi about a distant world, covered with huge
 automated farms where the planet's few people met occasionally via a
ghostly
 3D imagining system (Naked to the Stars). Much of the book dealt
with the
 inhabitants great fear of real social contact. I think this book was
written
 in the late 50s...well ahead of its time.

 In the book, the great distances between the people made physical
contact
 difficult. Now a days many people socialize from small adjacent
cubicles.

 Jim

 -----Original Message-----
 From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisorscom [1]
 [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [2]] On Behalf Of
rockysmolin at bchacc.com [3]
 Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2012 6:02 AM
 To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
 Subject: Re: [AccessD] Whilst on Windows 8

 "keeping up with people and their pictures and their thoughts, and
 communicating with them in short, frequent bursts. Life online is
moving
 faster and faster, and people are progressively using their PCs to
keep
 up with and participate in that."

 a good reason too get offline and start talking to real people.
Don't
 you see where this is leading? Isolation with the illusion of human
 interaction.

 isn't anyone else getting fed up with how much time one feels
COMPELLED
 to be on line just to be part of this modern culture?

 Best geek t-shirt: "I went outside once but the graphics were
terrible."

 Shoot you cell phone. Unplug your Cat-5. Feel the sun on your face.
 Actually have coffee with someone instead of both drinking it while
on
 line.

 Or is it because I'm old?

 Rocky

 -------- Original Message --------
 Subject: [AccessD] Whilst on Windows 8
 From: Darryl Collins 
 Date: Mon, June 11, 2012 5:19 pm
 To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving
 (accessd at databaseadvisors.com [4])" 

 Hi folks,

 I found these on the weekend and had a read. It is rather long, but
I
 found it was well worth a read - however you will need more than a
spare
 5 minutes though.

windows-8.html> [5]

 The following quote (taken from the link above) really raises my
 concerns and fears about this whole iPad tablet craze..

 "People, not files, are the center of activity. There has been a
marked
 change in the kinds of activities people spend time doing on the PC.
In
 balance to "traditional" PC activities such as writing and creating,
 people are increasingly reading and socializing, keeping up with
people
 and their pictures and their thoughts, and communicating with them
in
 short, frequent bursts. Life online is moving faster and faster, and
 people are progressively using their PCs to keep up with and
participate
 in that. And much of this activity and excitement is happening
inside
 the web browser, in experiences built using HTML and other web
 technologies."

 Let me  translate that for you: "We're
 optimizing Windows for using Facebook and YouTube at the expense of
 performing productivity tasks."

 Yeah, that maybe great for web surfing and Joe and Joette Bogan on
the
 daily train commute, but if you actually want to do the sort of
 productive work that we (and most of the corporate world does) then
I
 think MS are out of their heads. They seem to be so desperate and
 focussed on getting a foothold in Mobile (and tablet) that they are
 risking killing the golden goose (namely the whole corporate
 productivity 'Office' market).

 File management, or the lack of it, also freaks me out. Actually
after
 reading the way the iPad handles file management (which to me seems
 highly inefficient) it has really put me off the idea of one for
 anything but media consumption. W8 doesn't seem to be much better,
but I
 guess it is early days still.

 the-ipad/?u=darklydrawl at yahoo.com.au [6]&r=16913-15810>

 Anyway... I found both of these interesting.

 You may find some value too.

 Cheers
 Darryl

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From dw-murphy at cox.net  Tue Jun 12 11:26:35 2012
From: dw-murphy at cox.net (Doug Murphy)
Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2012 09:26:35 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Whilst on Windows 8
In-Reply-To: <D83203705846420D89F8B69E1BE6F7B8@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <20120612060149.86c3debdd1c3983866efe200e2feb95f.c6d28c10b4.wbe@email18.secureserver.net>	<003201cd48b2$333803e0$99a80ba0$@cox.net>
	<D83203705846420D89F8B69E1BE6F7B8@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <004501cd48b8$22c09080$6841b180$@cox.net>

Pretty much the way it works.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2012 9:13 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Whilst on Windows 8

As a friend says, "No you have stayed the same age but the world has just
slide underneath you." ;-)

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Doug Murphy
Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2012 8:44 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Whilst on Windows 8

Think that is a big part of it.



Or is it because I'm old?

Rocky


-------- Original Message --------
Subject: [AccessD] Whilst on Windows 8
From: Darryl Collins <darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au>
Date: Mon, June 11, 2012 5:19 pm
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving
(accessd at databaseadvisors.com)" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>

Hi folks,

I found these on the weekend and had a read. It is rather long, but I found
it was well worth a read - however you will need more than a spare
5 minutes though.

<http://www.mobileopportunity.blogspot.com.au/2012/05/fear-and-loathing-and-
windows-8.html>

The following quote (taken from the link above) really raises my concerns
and fears about this whole iPad tablet craze..

"People, not files, are the center of activity. There has been a marked
change in the kinds of activities people spend time doing on the PC. In
balance to "traditional" PC activities such as writing and creating, people
are increasingly reading and socializing, keeping up with people and their
pictures and their thoughts, and communicating with them in short, frequent
bursts. Life online is moving faster and faster, and people are
progressively using their PCs to keep up with and participate in that. And
much of this activity and excitement is happening inside the web browser, in
experiences built using HTML and other web technologies."

Let me <<the author, not Darryl>> translate that for you: "We're optimizing
Windows for using Facebook and YouTube at the expense of performing
productivity tasks."

Yeah, that maybe great for web surfing and Joe and Joette Bogan on the daily
train commute, but if you actually want to do the sort of productive work
that we (and most of the corporate world does) then I think MS are out of
their heads. They seem to be so desperate and focussed on getting a foothold
in Mobile (and tablet) that they are risking killing the golden goose
(namely the whole corporate productivity 'Office' market).

File management, or the lack of it, also freaks me out. Actually after
reading the way the iPad handles file management (which to me seems highly
inefficient) it has really put me off the idea of one for anything but media
consumption. W8 doesn't seem to be much better, but I guess it is early days
still.

<http://windowssecrets.com/newsletter/how-to-transfer-files-from-windows-to-
the-ipad/?u=darklydrawl at yahoo.com.au&r=16913-15810>

Anyway... I found both of these interesting.

You may find some value too.

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From accessd at shaw.ca  Tue Jun 12 11:52:43 2012
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2012 09:52:43 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Dvorak's rant on Windows 8
In-Reply-To: <sfd78a0d.057@cactus.dk>
References: <sfd78a0d.057@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <F3E94FA4CCC04C48BC65CC648ACD2827@creativesystemdesigns.com>

That is on my todo list.

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2012 9:27 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Dvorak's rant on Windows 8

Hi Hans et al

Yep. St. Petersburg is so far from the "dull, grey Soviet city of the cold
war" you may have in mind, that it is hard to believe. A true star of the
European cities. 
It's not the capital of Russia but could have been, so if you ever have the
option to stop by or redirect your journey, don't hesitate.

/gustav


>>> mcp2004 at mail.ru 11-06-12 21:37 >>>
Hi Hans --

I wish Denmark football team won Portugal...

> Some day soon I hope.
You're welcome, give me a call when you'll start your trip here...

> I've never really been to Russia, I'm afraid...
It's not that dangerous, I mean that. You'll see many similarities to
Copenhagen in St.Petersburg... and many differences...
At least the weather and nature are very similar here summer time: I have
been with family to Copenhagen in June a couple of years ago and then we
have got rented a car and went to Billund (LEGOLand) so we traversed your
native country from East to West (and before that we came from Finland and
Sweden) - all three Scandinavian countries' (Finland, Sweden and Denmark)
nature look very similar to North-West Russian one: I have even got brought
from Billund area several sprouting acorns and they are growing here now in
the garden as small oaks having survived two Russian winters...

Thank you.

-- Shamil


Sun, 10 Jun 2012 15:45:00 -0700 ?? Hans-Christian Andersen
<hans.andersen at phulse.com>:
> Hehe. Thanks. :) Here's hoping we will fare well against Portugal, which
is going to be as much of a challenge, if not more so, as their playing
style is very different.
> 
> I've never really been to Russia, I'm afraid... Apart from staying a night
in a hotel near the airport in Moscow while in transit. I would very much
like to see St Petersburg, as it is a stunning city. I'm also starting to
appreciate history as I age and there is so much of it in Russia. But now I
live all the way over here in BC Canada, so it's a rather long trip to plan
for. Some day soon I hope.
> 
> - Hans

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From steve at goodhall.info  Tue Jun 12 12:49:29 2012
From: steve at goodhall.info (Steve Goodhall)
Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2012 13:49:29 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Whilst on Windows 8
In-Reply-To: <6738CCCEF50F4583943D42154B9F0493@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <e2321ce121acd628b298ccc7dc56acda8c91968f@sitemail.gate.com>

?Forster is best know for 'A Room with a View' which was made into a
movie in 1985.

Try this link for Sherry Turkle.? 

http://video.mit.edu/watch/ted-talks-2012-sherry-turkle-connected-but-alone-10822
[1]

If that doesn't work, try Googling Sherry Turkle TED talk or search
it on YouTube.

	Regards,?

	Steve Goodhall, MSCS, PMP 

----- Original Message -----
From: Access Developers discussion and problem solving 
To:"Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
Cc:
Sent:Tue, 12 Jun 2012 09:20:54 -0700
Subject:Re: [AccessD] Whilst on Windows 8

 I like that, Steve. Thanks for the link and I have never heard of E.
M.
 Forster before...as it appears my educations has been sadly
neglected.

 The second link does not appear to work.

 Jim



Links:
------
[1]
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Tue Jun 12 14:31:56 2012
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (rockysmolin at bchacc.com)
Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2012 12:31:56 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Whilst on Windows 8
Message-ID: <20120612123156.86c3debdd1c3983866efe200e2feb95f.8964dc7b4d.wbe@email18.secureserver.net>

that's the upside...

R


-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Whilst on Windows 8
From: Doug Steele <dbdoug at gmail.com>
Date: Tue, June 12, 2012 8:34 am
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>

Actually, I find that living online improves communication with my
friends
and family. When I was first married, I lived in England for a year.
 International phone calls were outrageously expensive; handwritten
letters
were the only way of talking to my parents. Last year when my son was in
Europe studying, I could follow him on Facebook, talk to him and SEE him
at
the click of a button. I now live away from the city where I lived for
30 years; again, I can follow and communicate with a group of people
that I
probably would seldom phone directly.

Working on line enables me to live near and care for my elderly parents,
allowing them to live where they love, not back in an apartment or home
in
a city they hate.

By the way, the deer were nibbling at my kale last night, I fed the pair
of
ravens that nest here this morning, and this afternoon I think I'm going
to
kayak out to the local islands to look at the sea lions :)

Doug

On Tue, Jun 12, 2012 at 6:01 AM, <rockysmolin at bchacc.com> wrote:

>
> "keeping up with people and their pictures and their thoughts, and
> communicating with them in short, frequent bursts. Life online is moving
> faster and faster, and people are progressively using their PCs to keep
> up with and participate in that."
>
> a good reason too get offline and start talking to real people. Don't
> you see where this is leading? Isolation with the illusion of human
> interaction.
>
> isn't anyone else getting fed up with how much time one feels COMPELLED
> to be on line just to be part of this modern culture?
>
> Best geek t-shirt: "I went outside once but the graphics were terrible."
>
> Shoot you cell phone. Unplug your Cat-5. Feel the sun on your face.
> Actually have coffee with someone instead of both drinking it while on
> line.
>
> Or is it because I'm old?
>
> Rocky
>
>
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: [AccessD] Whilst on Windows 8
> From: Darryl Collins <darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au>
> Date: Mon, June 11, 2012 5:19 pm
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> (accessd at databaseadvisors.com)" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>
> Hi folks,
>
> I found these on the weekend and had a read. It is rather long, but I
> found it was well worth a read - however you will need more than a spare
> 5 minutes though.
>
> <
> http://www.mobileopportunity.blogspot.com.au/2012/05/fear-and-loathing-and-windows-8.html
> >
>
> The following quote (taken from the link above) really raises my
> concerns and fears about this whole iPad tablet craze..
>
> "People, not files, are the center of activity. There has been a marked
> change in the kinds of activities people spend time doing on the PC. In
> balance to "traditional" PC activities such as writing and creating,
> people are increasingly reading and socializing, keeping up with people
> and their pictures and their thoughts, and communicating with them in
> short, frequent bursts. Life online is moving faster and faster, and
> people are progressively using their PCs to keep up with and participate
> in that. And much of this activity and excitement is happening inside
> the web browser, in experiences built using HTML and other web
> technologies."
>
> Let me <<the author, not Darryl>> translate that for you: "We're
> optimizing Windows for using Facebook and YouTube at the expense of
> performing productivity tasks."
>
> Yeah, that maybe great for web surfing and Joe and Joette Bogan on the
> daily train commute, but if you actually want to do the sort of
> productive work that we (and most of the corporate world does) then I
> think MS are out of their heads. They seem to be so desperate and
> focussed on getting a foothold in Mobile (and tablet) that they are
> risking killing the golden goose (namely the whole corporate
> productivity 'Office' market).
>
> File management, or the lack of it, also freaks me out. Actually after
> reading the way the iPad handles file management (which to me seems
> highly inefficient) it has really put me off the idea of one for
> anything but media consumption. W8 doesn't seem to be much better, but I
> guess it is early days still.
>
> <
> http://windowssecrets.com/newsletter/how-to-transfer-files-from-windows-to-the-ipad/?u=darklydrawl at yahoo.com.au&r=16913-15810
> >
>
> Anyway... I found both of these interesting.
>
> You may find some value too.
>
> Cheers
> Darryl
>
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From davidmcafee at gmail.com  Tue Jun 12 14:42:20 2012
From: davidmcafee at gmail.com (David McAfee)
Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2012 12:42:20 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Whilst on Windows 8
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I actually think we're heading back to terminal services / dumb clients.



On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 7:00 PM, Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:

> My thoughts on why Windows 8.
>
> Everyone or at least most are saying the Microsoft is killing themselves
> but
> not really. They are just trying to resolve a number of problems and W8 is
> the ticket. For years they have provided a cheap OS on every PC but have
> reaped little in benefits (no as much as they would like) and now is the
> chance to turn things around. They are going for the long pass.
>
> 1. Their new system will not support other browsers than IE. No more
> challengers. Now they will have complete control of not only IE development
> but all other products running through their system. Bing will be the
> default search engine of course and MS will have undivided sales revenues.
>
> 2. Google would be not be gone of course but it dominance on the MS
> platforms will be dramatically reduced. One enemy slowed.
>
> 3. Backward compatibility is always been an expensive issue and takes lots
> of additional programming to support with no apparent reaping of benefits.
> W8 clients, if they want application will have to buy new MS
> applications...more profit.
>
> 4. All application that will go on the system will have to be vetted
> through
> Microsoft. Rest assured applications that are competing with MS
> applications
> will have a hard time finding a good place and they will have to adhere to
> very strict MS policies. More chances that clients will just purchase or
> lease through the cloud, MS products.
>
> 5. Far less chances for viruses as Microsoft will control all internet
> access and that's good for business.
>
> 6. Another thorn in their side has been the Open Source community and with
> a
> combination of the new extended BIOS and careful vigilance their impact can
> be slowed and maybe even halted. This will mean stopping defectors and that
> mean more sales of MS products.
>
> 7. Being able to easily detect and eliminate any installed products suspect
> of a patent violation or writes infringements now can be easily detected
> and
> crippled. Of course if you anti-up those issues can be solved.
>
> 8. By limiting the number of developers on their new platforms a greater
> profit can be made from those and by those adding extra features. Much like
> Oracle who only provide support to their certified techs...certification
> that costs a fair dollar.
>
> 9. Of course any applications will be able to run on the system but only
> when installed in a virtual PC interface. Then the new applications will
> not
> perform as well as they are not running in native mode. Such abominations
> as
> VirtulBox will have to find another home of course.
>
> 10. Goodbye VB and any direct support of it. Time for all programmers to
> learn .Net products and pay for the development tools instead getting them
> for free.
>
> There are probably many other good business reasons for Microsoft to move
> to
> W8 but these are high-lights.
>
> Will MS loss many customers? Yes and no. Most customers will have to just
> languish using Windows 7 as slowly over a few years, like XP it will be
> phased out. By then the fear of W8 will be over and they will have little
> choice but to migrate as all new PCs will come with W8 on them. (I am sure
> there will be some great migration tools available by then and they will be
> very reasonabily priced) In the meantime, all users that have moved will
> have paid a handsome amount in purchasing and supporting new MS
> software....not all at once but slowly and steadily. Most of the riffraff
> developer will have gone, Google, FF etc revenue streams will be
> dramatically down and the Open Source world will have to find other OSs on
> which to run their evil products.
>
> Will there be a mass movement to such systems like Apple or Linux or even
> some new Android platform? Not likely, as few businesses have the resources
> to go Apple, there are too few Apple techs to do any major migrations or
> have the skills needed to attach to backend servers, most users are totally
> freaked with Linux distros and no other Operating systems are there yet to
> challenge.
>
> In summary, Microsoft has placed a bold new plan in place which allow them
> to regain virtually absolute control of the market and they might just as
> likely succeed. Their profits may be dramatically down but in the next five
> years they may again rival those of Apple.
>
> Resistance is futile.
>
> Jim
>

From Benson at ge.com  Tue Jun 12 17:30:57 2012
From: Benson at ge.com (Benson, William (GE Global Research, consultant))
Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2012 22:30:57 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Whilst on Windows 8
In-Reply-To: <9431ba1547dc43dcdee4a86d179bc6a3b5877bfe@sitemail.gate.com>
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Just started reading it, yes EMF is good.

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Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2012 12:03 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Whilst on Windows 8

Not so far ahead of its time as you might think.? You should look at The Machine Stops by E. M. Forster, November 1909.? It's widely available on-line including http://services.exeter.ac.uk/cmit/media/texts/forster/the_machine_stops.pdf.

Also, here's a link to Alone Together, an interesting TED talk by Sherri Turkle http://www.youtubecom/watch?v=MtLVCpZIiNs

	Regards,?

	Steve Goodhall, MSCS, PMP 

----- Original Message -----
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Subject:Re: [AccessD] Whilst on Windows 8

 Isaac Asimov wrote a Sci-Fi about a distant world, covered with huge  automated farms where the planet's few people met occasionally via a ghostly  3D imagining system (Naked to the Stars). Much of the book dealt with the  inhabitants great fear of real social contact. I think this book was written  in the late 50s...well ahead of its time.

 In the book, the great distances between the people made physical contact  difficult. Now a days many people socialize from small adjacent cubicles.

 Jim

 -----Original Message-----
 From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisorscom [1]  [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [2]] On Behalf Of rockysmolin at bchacc.com [3]
 Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2012 6:02 AM
 To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
 Subject: Re: [AccessD] Whilst on Windows 8

 "keeping up with people and their pictures and their thoughts, and  communicating with them in short, frequent bursts. Life online is moving  faster and faster, and people are progressively using their PCs to keep  up with and participate in that."

 a good reason too get offline and start talking to real people.
Don't
 you see where this is leading? Isolation with the illusion of human  interaction.

 isn't anyone else getting fed up with how much time one feels COMPELLED  to be on line just to be part of this modern culture?

 Best geek t-shirt: "I went outside once but the graphics were terrible."

 Shoot you cell phone. Unplug your Cat-5. Feel the sun on your face.
 Actually have coffee with someone instead of both drinking it while on  line.

 Or is it because I'm old?

 Rocky

 -------- Original Message --------
 Subject: [AccessD] Whilst on Windows 8
 From: Darryl Collins
 Date: Mon, June 11, 2012 5:19 pm
 To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving  (accessd at databaseadvisors.com [4])" 

 Hi folks,

 I found these on the weekend and had a read. It is rather long, but I  found it was well worth a read - however you will need more than a spare
 5 minutes though.

windows-8.html> [5]

 The following quote (taken from the link above) really raises my  concerns and fears about this whole iPad tablet craze..

 "People, not files, are the center of activity. There has been a marked  change in the kinds of activities people spend time doing on the PC.
In
 balance to "traditional" PC activities such as writing and creating,  people are increasingly reading and socializing, keeping up with people  and their pictures and their thoughts, and communicating with them in  short, frequent bursts. Life online is moving faster and faster, and  people are progressively using their PCs to keep up with and participate  in that. And much of this activity and excitement is happening inside  the web browser, in experiences built using HTML and other web  technologies."

 Let me  translate that for you: "We're
 optimizing Windows for using Facebook and YouTube at the expense of  performing productivity tasks."

 Yeah, that maybe great for web surfing and Joe and Joette Bogan on the  daily train commute, but if you actually want to do the sort of  productive work that we (and most of the corporate world does) then I  think MS are out of their heads. They seem to be so desperate and  focussed on getting a foothold in Mobile (and tablet) that they are  risking killing the golden goose (namely the whole corporate  productivity 'Office' market).

 File management, or the lack of it, also freaks me out. Actually after  reading the way the iPad handles file management (which to me seems  highly inefficient) it has really put me off the idea of one for  anything but media consumption. W8 doesn't seem to be much better, but I  guess it is early days still.

 the-ipad/?u=darklydrawl at yahoo.com.au [6]&r=16913-15810>

 Anyway... I found both of these interesting.

 You may find some value too.

 Cheers
 Darryl

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From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au  Tue Jun 12 19:15:07 2012
From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins)
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2012 00:15:07 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Whilst on Windows 8
In-Reply-To: <20120612060149.86c3debdd1c3983866efe200e2feb95f.c6d28c10b4.wbe@email18.secureserver.net>
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Heh... Well I am getting old too Rocky, but more and more I am opting out of this nonsense, rather than in.

I don't have facebook, I don't have any need or desire for it right now, although I dread the day that I may need it to stay in touch.
I don't use twitter, although I can see some use for it, there is too much blabber and not enough good stuff.
I restrict more and more what I put online and lock down the privacy settings as tight as I can on the services I do use.
I am very happy to go for a walk with my kids and turn the phone off so I can focus on them.  Sometimes I even leave it behind (the horror, the horror).
I still have a Nokia 6600 phone - sure it is nearly 9 years old now, but it still works great and the battery last 5 days or so.
I am amazed at how many useless apps there are out there (sure there are some killer ones too) but honestly, most of them are rubbish.
The major killer for me for this 'social' nonsense is the noise to signal ratio is huge.  Sure there are some wonderful things I am missing out on, but it is drowned out in an endless stream of crap.  A bit like looking for a diamond in a sewer.

So many people I see today seem to be crippled by these devices, rather than enhanced.  It makes me laugh when I see a group of folks having drinks/dinner whatever at a bar and they are all stuffing around on their phones more than talking to each other.  Honestly WTF is that about?

As you say, it is probably as I am getting older...

Cheers
Darryl.


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of rockysmolin at bchacc.com
Sent: Tuesday, 12 June 2012 11:02 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Whilst on Windows 8


"keeping up with people and their pictures and their thoughts, and communicating with them in short, frequent bursts. Life online is moving faster and faster, and people are progressively using their PCs to keep up with and participate in that."

a good reason too get offline and start talking to real people.  Don't you see where this is leading?  Isolation with the illusion of human interaction.

isn't anyone else getting fed up with how much time one feels COMPELLED to be on line just to be part of this modern culture?

Best geek t-shirt: "I went outside once but the graphics were terrible."

Shoot you cell phone.  Unplug your Cat-5.  Feel the sun on your face.
Actually have coffee with someone instead of both drinking it while on line.

Or is it because I'm old?

Rocky


-------- Original Message --------
Subject: [AccessD] Whilst on Windows 8
From: Darryl Collins <darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au>
Date: Mon, June 11, 2012 5:19 pm
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving (accessd at databaseadvisors.com)" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>

Hi folks,

I found these on the weekend and had a read. It is rather long, but I found it was well worth a read - however you will need more than a spare
5 minutes though.

<http://www.mobileopportunity.blogspot.com.au/2012/05/fear-and-loathing-and-windows-8.html>

The following quote (taken from the link above) really raises my concerns and fears about this whole iPad tablet craze..

"People, not files, are the center of activity. There has been a marked change in the kinds of activities people spend time doing on the PC. In balance to "traditional" PC activities such as writing and creating, people are increasingly reading and socializing, keeping up with people and their pictures and their thoughts, and communicating with them in short, frequent bursts. Life online is moving faster and faster, and people are progressively using their PCs to keep up with and participate in that. And much of this activity and excitement is happening inside the web browser, in experiences built using HTML and other web technologies."

Let me <<the author, not Darryl>> translate that for you: "We're optimizing Windows for using Facebook and YouTube at the expense of performing productivity tasks."

Yeah, that maybe great for web surfing and Joe and Joette Bogan on the daily train commute, but if you actually want to do the sort of productive work that we (and most of the corporate world does) then I think MS are out of their heads. They seem to be so desperate and focussed on getting a foothold in Mobile (and tablet) that they are risking killing the golden goose (namely the whole corporate productivity 'Office' market).

File management, or the lack of it, also freaks me out. Actually after reading the way the iPad handles file management (which to me seems highly inefficient) it has really put me off the idea of one for anything but media consumption. W8 doesn't seem to be much better, but I guess it is early days still.

<http://windowssecrets.com/newsletter/how-to-transfer-files-from-windows-to-the-ipad/?u=darklydrawl at yahoo.com.au&r=16913-15810>

Anyway... I found both of these interesting.

You may find some value too.

Cheers
Darryl

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From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au  Tue Jun 12 19:17:08 2012
From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins)
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2012 00:17:08 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Whilst on Windows 8
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" The Machine Stops"

OMG...  I used to LOVE this story when I was a kid.  I read it many times and was fascinated by it.  Stoked you have sent the link :)

Cheers
Darryl

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Wednesday, 13 June 2012 2:03 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Whilst on Windows 8

Not so far ahead of its time as you might think.? You should look at The Machine Stops by E. M. Forster, November 1909.? It's widely available on-line including http://services.exeter.ac.uk/cmit/media/texts/forster/the_machine_stops.pdf.

Also, here's a link to Alone Together, an interesting TED talk by Sherri Turkle http://www.youtubecom/watch?v=MtLVCpZIiNs

	Regards,?

	Steve Goodhall, MSCS, PMP 

----- Original Message -----
From: Access Developers discussion and problem solving To:"Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
Cc:
Sent:Tue, 12 Jun 2012 08:26:20 -0700
Subject:Re: [AccessD] Whilst on Windows 8

 Isaac Asimov wrote a Sci-Fi about a distant world, covered with huge  automated farms where the planet's few people met occasionally via a ghostly  3D imagining system (Naked to the Stars). Much of the book dealt with the  inhabitants great fear of real social contact. I think this book was written  in the late 50s...well ahead of its time.

 In the book, the great distances between the people made physical contact  difficult. Now a days many people socialize from small adjacent cubicles.

 Jim

 -----Original Message-----
 From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisorscom [1]  [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [2]] On Behalf Of rockysmolin at bchacc.com [3]
 Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2012 6:02 AM
 To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
 Subject: Re: [AccessD] Whilst on Windows 8

 "keeping up with people and their pictures and their thoughts, and  communicating with them in short, frequent bursts. Life online is moving  faster and faster, and people are progressively using their PCs to keep  up with and participate in that."

 a good reason too get offline and start talking to real people.
Don't
 you see where this is leading? Isolation with the illusion of human  interaction.

 isn't anyone else getting fed up with how much time one feels COMPELLED  to be on line just to be part of this modern culture?

 Best geek t-shirt: "I went outside once but the graphics were terrible."

 Shoot you cell phone. Unplug your Cat-5. Feel the sun on your face.
 Actually have coffee with someone instead of both drinking it while on  line.

 Or is it because I'm old?

 Rocky

 -------- Original Message --------
 Subject: [AccessD] Whilst on Windows 8
 From: Darryl Collins
 Date: Mon, June 11, 2012 5:19 pm
 To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving  (accessd at databaseadvisors.com [4])" 

 Hi folks,

 I found these on the weekend and had a read. It is rather long, but I  found it was well worth a read - however you will need more than a spare
 5 minutes though.

windows-8.html> [5]

 The following quote (taken from the link above) really raises my  concerns and fears about this whole iPad tablet craze..

 "People, not files, are the center of activity. There has been a marked  change in the kinds of activities people spend time doing on the PC.
In
 balance to "traditional" PC activities such as writing and creating,  people are increasingly reading and socializing, keeping up with people  and their pictures and their thoughts, and communicating with them in  short, frequent bursts. Life online is moving faster and faster, and  people are progressively using their PCs to keep up with and participate  in that. And much of this activity and excitement is happening inside  the web browser, in experiences built using HTML and other web  technologies."

 Let me  translate that for you: "We're
 optimizing Windows for using Facebook and YouTube at the expense of  performing productivity tasks."

 Yeah, that maybe great for web surfing and Joe and Joette Bogan on the  daily train commute, but if you actually want to do the sort of  productive work that we (and most of the corporate world does) then I  think MS are out of their heads. They seem to be so desperate and  focussed on getting a foothold in Mobile (and tablet) that they are  risking killing the golden goose (namely the whole corporate  productivity 'Office' market).

 File management, or the lack of it, also freaks me out. Actually after  reading the way the iPad handles file management (which to me seems  highly inefficient) it has really put me off the idea of one for  anything but media consumption. W8 doesn't seem to be much better, but I  guess it is early days still.

 the-ipad/?u=darklydrawl at yahoo.com.au [6]&r=16913-15810>

 Anyway... I found both of these interesting.

 You may find some value too.

 Cheers
 Darryl

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From accessd at shaw.ca  Tue Jun 12 20:32:57 2012
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2012 18:32:57 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Whilst on Windows 8
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Of course! 

I had read the book, "A Room with a View" and listened to a voice recording
of the same book no more than 3 months ago. It was that his other work was
so far out of context I didn't connect the two...how embarrassing.

The was another great TED talk...Connected but alone.

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Goodhall
Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2012 10:49 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Whilst on Windows 8

?Forster is best know for 'A Room with a View' which was made into a
movie in 1985.

Try this link for Sherry Turkle.? 

http://video.mit.edu/watch/ted-talks-2012-sherry-turkle-connected-but-alone-
10822
[1]

If that doesn't work, try Googling Sherry Turkle TED talk or search
it on YouTube.

	Regards,?

	Steve Goodhall, MSCS, PMP 

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Cc:
Sent:Tue, 12 Jun 2012 09:20:54 -0700
Subject:Re: [AccessD] Whilst on Windows 8

 I like that, Steve. Thanks for the link and I have never heard of E.
M.
 Forster before...as it appears my educations has been sadly
neglected.

 The second link does not appear to work.

 Jim



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From accessd at shaw.ca  Tue Jun 12 20:45:37 2012
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2012 18:45:37 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Whilst on Windows 8
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I could not agree with you more.

I don't like dumb terminals. I like to design, for myself and create and not
just consume. I would like to think of myself as more of a artist, a
craftsman than a patron of the arts...but of course we are; we are
developers, by profession and by attitude. 

I think that makes us sort function at cross-purposes to current trends. We
are PC people, the creators and will never accept being force feed. I would
much rather be a hammer than a nail....a provider than a consumer.

Jim  

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of David McAfee
Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2012 12:42 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Whilst on Windows 8

I actually think we're heading back to terminal services / dumb clients.



On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 7:00 PM, Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:

> My thoughts on why Windows 8.
>
> Everyone or at least most are saying the Microsoft is killing themselves
> but
> not really. They are just trying to resolve a number of problems and W8 is
> the ticket. For years they have provided a cheap OS on every PC but have
> reaped little in benefits (no as much as they would like) and now is the
> chance to turn things around. They are going for the long pass.
>
> 1. Their new system will not support other browsers than IE. No more
> challengers. Now they will have complete control of not only IE
development
> but all other products running through their system. Bing will be the
> default search engine of course and MS will have undivided sales revenues.
>
> 2. Google would be not be gone of course but it dominance on the MS
> platforms will be dramatically reduced. One enemy slowed.
>
> 3. Backward compatibility is always been an expensive issue and takes lots
> of additional programming to support with no apparent reaping of benefits.
> W8 clients, if they want application will have to buy new MS
> applications...more profit.
>
> 4. All application that will go on the system will have to be vetted
> through
> Microsoft. Rest assured applications that are competing with MS
> applications
> will have a hard time finding a good place and they will have to adhere to
> very strict MS policies. More chances that clients will just purchase or
> lease through the cloud, MS products.
>
> 5. Far less chances for viruses as Microsoft will control all internet
> access and that's good for business.
>
> 6. Another thorn in their side has been the Open Source community and with
> a
> combination of the new extended BIOS and careful vigilance their impact
can
> be slowed and maybe even halted. This will mean stopping defectors and
that
> mean more sales of MS products.
>
> 7. Being able to easily detect and eliminate any installed products
suspect
> of a patent violation or writes infringements now can be easily detected
> and
> crippled. Of course if you anti-up those issues can be solved.
>
> 8. By limiting the number of developers on their new platforms a greater
> profit can be made from those and by those adding extra features. Much
like
> Oracle who only provide support to their certified techs...certification
> that costs a fair dollar.
>
> 9. Of course any applications will be able to run on the system but only
> when installed in a virtual PC interface. Then the new applications will
> not
> perform as well as they are not running in native mode. Such abominations
> as
> VirtulBox will have to find another home of course.
>
> 10. Goodbye VB and any direct support of it. Time for all programmers to
> learn .Net products and pay for the development tools instead getting them
> for free.
>
> There are probably many other good business reasons for Microsoft to move
> to
> W8 but these are high-lights.
>
> Will MS loss many customers? Yes and no. Most customers will have to just
> languish using Windows 7 as slowly over a few years, like XP it will be
> phased out. By then the fear of W8 will be over and they will have little
> choice but to migrate as all new PCs will come with W8 on them. (I am sure
> there will be some great migration tools available by then and they will
be
> very reasonabily priced) In the meantime, all users that have moved will
> have paid a handsome amount in purchasing and supporting new MS
> software....not all at once but slowly and steadily. Most of the riffraff
> developer will have gone, Google, FF etc revenue streams will be
> dramatically down and the Open Source world will have to find other OSs on
> which to run their evil products.
>
> Will there be a mass movement to such systems like Apple or Linux or even
> some new Android platform? Not likely, as few businesses have the
resources
> to go Apple, there are too few Apple techs to do any major migrations or
> have the skills needed to attach to backend servers, most users are
totally
> freaked with Linux distros and no other Operating systems are there yet to
> challenge.
>
> In summary, Microsoft has placed a bold new plan in place which allow them
> to regain virtually absolute control of the market and they might just as
> likely succeed. Their profits may be dramatically down but in the next
five
> years they may again rival those of Apple.
>
> Resistance is futile.
>
> Jim
>
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Tue Jun 12 21:39:03 2012
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2012 19:39:03 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Whilst on Windows 8
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Once every couple of weeks or so we have a coffee clutch for a bunch of the
old techies. We meet on Tuesday evenings and chat tech until the shop kicks
us out. No Smartphones chatter there, other than to show new stuff. Now
that's the way to do it up right.

Social networking is great but it is supposed to extend your reach not to
isolate you. Just like a drug, once you feel you need it, you are no longer
in control. 

Learning that balance is the important lesson. 

Jim


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darryl Collins
Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2012 5:15 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Whilst on Windows 8

Heh... Well I am getting old too Rocky, but more and more I am opting out of
this nonsense, rather than in.

I don't have facebook, I don't have any need or desire for it right now,
although I dread the day that I may need it to stay in touch.
I don't use twitter, although I can see some use for it, there is too much
blabber and not enough good stuff.
I restrict more and more what I put online and lock down the privacy
settings as tight as I can on the services I do use.
I am very happy to go for a walk with my kids and turn the phone off so I
can focus on them.  Sometimes I even leave it behind (the horror, the
horror).
I still have a Nokia 6600 phone - sure it is nearly 9 years old now, but it
still works great and the battery last 5 days or so.
I am amazed at how many useless apps there are out there (sure there are
some killer ones too) but honestly, most of them are rubbish.
The major killer for me for this 'social' nonsense is the noise to signal
ratio is huge.  Sure there are some wonderful things I am missing out on,
but it is drowned out in an endless stream of crap.  A bit like looking for
a diamond in a sewer.

So many people I see today seem to be crippled by these devices, rather than
enhanced.  It makes me laugh when I see a group of folks having
drinks/dinner whatever at a bar and they are all stuffing around on their
phones more than talking to each other.  Honestly WTF is that about?

As you say, it is probably as I am getting older...

Cheers
Darryl.


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
rockysmolin at bchacc.com
Sent: Tuesday, 12 June 2012 11:02 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Whilst on Windows 8


"keeping up with people and their pictures and their thoughts, and
communicating with them in short, frequent bursts. Life online is moving
faster and faster, and people are progressively using their PCs to keep up
with and participate in that."

a good reason too get offline and start talking to real people.  Don't you
see where this is leading?  Isolation with the illusion of human
interaction.

isn't anyone else getting fed up with how much time one feels COMPELLED to
be on line just to be part of this modern culture?

Best geek t-shirt: "I went outside once but the graphics were terrible."

Shoot you cell phone.  Unplug your Cat-5.  Feel the sun on your face.
Actually have coffee with someone instead of both drinking it while on line.

Or is it because I'm old?

Rocky


-------- Original Message --------
Subject: [AccessD] Whilst on Windows 8
From: Darryl Collins <darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au>
Date: Mon, June 11, 2012 5:19 pm
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving
(accessd at databaseadvisors.com)" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>

Hi folks,

I found these on the weekend and had a read. It is rather long, but I found
it was well worth a read - however you will need more than a spare
5 minutes though.

<http://www.mobileopportunity.blogspot.com.au/2012/05/fear-and-loathing-and-
windows-8.html>

The following quote (taken from the link above) really raises my concerns
and fears about this whole iPad tablet craze..

"People, not files, are the center of activity. There has been a marked
change in the kinds of activities people spend time doing on the PC. In
balance to "traditional" PC activities such as writing and creating, people
are increasingly reading and socializing, keeping up with people and their
pictures and their thoughts, and communicating with them in short, frequent
bursts. Life online is moving faster and faster, and people are
progressively using their PCs to keep up with and participate in that. And
much of this activity and excitement is happening inside the web browser, in
experiences built using HTML and other web technologies."

Let me <<the author, not Darryl>> translate that for you: "We're optimizing
Windows for using Facebook and YouTube at the expense of performing
productivity tasks."

Yeah, that maybe great for web surfing and Joe and Joette Bogan on the daily
train commute, but if you actually want to do the sort of productive work
that we (and most of the corporate world does) then I think MS are out of
their heads. They seem to be so desperate and focussed on getting a foothold
in Mobile (and tablet) that they are risking killing the golden goose
(namely the whole corporate productivity 'Office' market).

File management, or the lack of it, also freaks me out. Actually after
reading the way the iPad handles file management (which to me seems highly
inefficient) it has really put me off the idea of one for anything but media
consumption. W8 doesn't seem to be much better, but I guess it is early days
still.

<http://windowssecrets.com/newsletter/how-to-transfer-files-from-windows-to-
the-ipad/?u=darklydrawl at yahoo.com.au&r=16913-15810>

Anyway... I found both of these interesting.

You may find some value too.

Cheers
Darryl

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From mcp2004 at mail.ru  Wed Jun 13 10:21:12 2012
From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=)
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2012 19:21:12 +0400
Subject: [AccessD] =?utf-8?q?Dvorak=27s_rant_on_Windows_8?=
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Message-ID: <1339600872.626390172@f37.mail.ru>

Hi Jim --

> That is on my todo list.
You're welcome!

Thank you.

-- Shamil


Tue, 12 Jun 2012 09:52:43 -0700 ?? "Jim Lawrence" <accessd at shaw.ca>:
> That is on my todo list.
> 
> Jim
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
> Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2012 9:27 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Dvorak's rant on Windows 8
> 
> Hi Hans et al
> 
> Yep. St. Petersburg is so far from the "dull, grey Soviet city of the cold
> war" you may have in mind, that it is hard to believe. A true star of the
> European cities. 
> It's not the capital of Russia but could have been, so if you ever have the
> option to stop by or redirect your journey, don't hesitate.
> 
> /gustav
> 
> 
<<< skipped >>>


From mcp2004 at mail.ru  Wed Jun 13 10:30:39 2012
From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=)
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2012 19:30:39 +0400
Subject: [AccessD] =?utf-8?q?OT=3A_Win8_Preview_=2832bit=29_on_Oracle_Virt?=
 =?utf-8?q?ual_Box_=2832bit=29_or_VMWare_Workstation_8_=2832bit=29=3F?=
Message-ID: <1339601439.115133010@f156.mail.ru>

Hi All --

Did anybody try to setup and run Win 8 Preview on Oracle Virtual Box or VMWare Workstation 8?

Thank you.

-- Shamil


From accessd at shaw.ca  Wed Jun 13 10:46:03 2012
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2012 08:46:03 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Dvorak's rant on Windows 8
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Thank you, Shamil. 

So if an odd looking couple comes knocking at you door one day you should
not be surprised. ;-)

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Salakhetdinov
Shamil
Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2012 8:21 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Dvorak's rant on Windows 8

Hi Jim --

> That is on my todo list.
You're welcome!

Thank you.

-- Shamil


Tue, 12 Jun 2012 09:52:43 -0700 ?? "Jim Lawrence" <accessd at shaw.ca>:
> That is on my todo list.
> 
> Jim
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
> Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2012 9:27 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Dvorak's rant on Windows 8
> 
> Hi Hans et al
> 
> Yep. St. Petersburg is so far from the "dull, grey Soviet city of the cold
> war" you may have in mind, that it is hard to believe. A true star of the
> European cities. 
> It's not the capital of Russia but could have been, so if you ever have
the
> option to stop by or redirect your journey, don't hesitate.
> 
> /gustav
> 
> 
<<< skipped >>>

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From accessd at shaw.ca  Wed Jun 13 10:59:35 2012
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2012 08:59:35 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Win8 Preview (32bit) on Oracle Virtual Box
	(32bit) or VMWare Workstation 8 (32bit)?
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References: <1339601439.115133010@f156.mail.ru>
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Hi Shamil:

Yes, I did but I had some problems but I believe they were unrelated to the
software involved. The cause was most likely some of the ASUS mother board
software used to initialize a number of the components on the board...a
bleeding edge 64 bit over-clocked unit.

I have another 32bit computer with a VirtualBox on it (which I have been
using to emulate the Raspberry PI) and have been meaning to do the install
for a couple of weeks...as the OS disk is sitting on the edge of my work
table. (Work keeps getting in the way of fun.)

Jim   

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Salakhetdinov
Shamil
Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2012 8:31 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Win8 Preview (32bit) on Oracle Virtual Box (32bit) or
VMWare Workstation 8 (32bit)?

Hi All --

Did anybody try to setup and run Win 8 Preview on Oracle Virtual Box or
VMWare Workstation 8?

Thank you.

-- Shamil

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From mcp2004 at mail.ru  Wed Jun 13 11:34:19 2012
From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=)
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2012 20:34:19 +0400
Subject: [AccessD] =?utf-8?q?Dvorak=27s_rant_on_Windows_8?=
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Message-ID: <1339605259.414772399@f79.mail.ru>

Hi Jim --

No, I will not. In fact several people from AccessD did come here (incognito) and we have had meetings in the local pubs and restaurants :)

You're welcome, just inform me in advance for me to be here in the SPB to meet you.
FYI: in St.Petersburg downtown all the street names and train/metro/public transport stations titles have English translations so it's rather easy to walk around with map/navigator for foreigners even alone. (Some brave people from AccessD did investigate St.Petersburg in the times when everything was only in Cyrillic - and they didn't get lost.). Nowadays there are many new pubs, restaurants, shop/sopping-malls opened here with free wi-fi spots etc....

Thank you.

-- Shamil


Wed, 13 Jun 2012 08:46:03 -0700 ?? "Jim Lawrence" <accessd at shaw.ca>:
> Thank you, Shamil. 
> 
> So if an odd looking couple comes knocking at you door one day you should
> not be surprised. ;-)
> 
> Jim
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Salakhetdinov
> Shamil
> Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2012 8:21 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Dvorak's rant on Windows 8
> 
> Hi Jim --
> 
> > That is on my todo list.
> You're welcome!
> 
> Thank you.
> 
> -- Shamil
> 
> 
> Tue, 12 Jun 2012 09:52:43 -0700 ?? "Jim Lawrence" <accessd at shaw.ca>:
> > That is on my todo list.
> > 
> > Jim
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
> > Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2012 9:27 AM
> > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Dvorak's rant on Windows 8
> > 
> > Hi Hans et al
> > 
> > Yep. St. Petersburg is so far from the "dull, grey Soviet city of the cold
> > war" you may have in mind, that it is hard to believe. A true star of the
> > European cities. 
> > It's not the capital of Russia but could have been, so if you ever have
> the
> > option to stop by or redirect your journey, don't hesitate.
> > 
> > /gustav
> > 
> > 
> <<< skipped >>>
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From mcp2004 at mail.ru  Wed Jun 13 11:36:32 2012
From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=)
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2012 20:36:32 +0400
Subject: [AccessD]
 =?utf-8?q?OT=3A_Win8_Preview_=2832bit=29_on_Oracle_Virt?=
 =?utf-8?q?ual_Box_=2832bit=29_or_VMWare_Workstation_8_=2832bit=29=3F?=
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Message-ID: <1339605392.306564752@f302.mail.ru>

Hi Jim --

Thank you for your information.

I have got Win8 Preview ISO image downloaded - does Oracle Virtual Box have a feature to "mount" that ISO image or I have to burn a physical DVD?

Thank you.

-- Shamil

Wed, 13 Jun 2012 08:59:35 -0700 ?? "Jim Lawrence" <accessd at shaw.ca>:
> Hi Shamil:
> 
> Yes, I did but I had some problems but I believe they were unrelated to the
> software involved. The cause was most likely some of the ASUS mother board
> software used to initialize a number of the components on the board...a
> bleeding edge 64 bit over-clocked unit.
> 
> I have another 32bit computer with a VirtualBox on it (which I have been
> using to emulate the Raspberry PI) and have been meaning to do the install
> for a couple of weeks...as the OS disk is sitting on the edge of my work
> table. (Work keeps getting in the way of fun.)
> 
> Jim   
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Salakhetdinov
> Shamil
> Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2012 8:31 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] OT: Win8 Preview (32bit) on Oracle Virtual Box (32bit) or
> VMWare Workstation 8 (32bit)?
> 
> Hi All --
> 
> Did anybody try to setup and run Win 8 Preview on Oracle Virtual Box or
> VMWare Workstation 8?
> 
> Thank you.
> 
> -- Shamil
> 
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Wed Jun 13 13:07:34 2012
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2012 11:07:34 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Win8 Preview (32bit) on Oracle Virtual Box
	(32bit) or VMWare Workstation 8 (32bit)?
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Yes, you can just connect to the image and install easily. 

http://www.addictivetips.com/windows-tips/how-to-install-windows-8-on-virtua
lbox/

The above link may help.

Note: Make sure your processor supports Virtualization Technology and is
enabled. Windows 8 will not work if your processor does not support
Virtualization Technology. (Most computers have the technology but it is not
necessarily started...You can start it from a setting in your BIOS)

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Salakhetdinov
Shamil
Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2012 9:37 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Win8 Preview (32bit) on Oracle Virtual Box
(32bit) or VMWare Workstation 8 (32bit)?

Hi Jim --

Thank you for your information.

I have got Win8 Preview ISO image downloaded - does Oracle Virtual Box have
a feature to "mount" that ISO image or I have to burn a physical DVD?

Thank you.

-- Shamil

Wed, 13 Jun 2012 08:59:35 -0700 ?? "Jim Lawrence" <accessd at shaw.ca>:
> Hi Shamil:
> 
> Yes, I did but I had some problems but I believe they were unrelated to
the
> software involved. The cause was most likely some of the ASUS mother board
> software used to initialize a number of the components on the board...a
> bleeding edge 64 bit over-clocked unit.
> 
> I have another 32bit computer with a VirtualBox on it (which I have been
> using to emulate the Raspberry PI) and have been meaning to do the install
> for a couple of weeks...as the OS disk is sitting on the edge of my work
> table. (Work keeps getting in the way of fun.)
> 
> Jim   
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Salakhetdinov
> Shamil
> Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2012 8:31 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] OT: Win8 Preview (32bit) on Oracle Virtual Box (32bit)
or
> VMWare Workstation 8 (32bit)?
> 
> Hi All --
> 
> Did anybody try to setup and run Win 8 Preview on Oracle Virtual Box or
> VMWare Workstation 8?
> 
> Thank you.
> 
> -- Shamil
> 
> -- 
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 
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> 

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From gustav at cactus.dk  Wed Jun 13 15:18:59 2012
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2012 22:18:59 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Dvorak's rant on Windows 8
Message-ID: <sfd911eb.089@cactus.dk>

Hi Shamil

English translations? That's cheating!

/gustav


>>> mcp2004 at mail.ru 13-06-12 18:34 >>>
Hi Jim --

No, I will not. In fact several people from AccessD did come here (incognito) and we have had meetings in the local pubs and restaurants :)

You're welcome, just inform me in advance for me to be here in the SPB to meet you.
FYI: in St.Petersburg downtown all the street names and train/metro/public transport stations titles have English translations so it's rather easy to walk around with map/navigator for foreigners even alone. (Some brave people from AccessD did investigate St.Petersburg in the times when everything was only in Cyrillic - and they didn't get lost.). Nowadays there are many new pubs, restaurants, shop/sopping-malls opened here with free wi-fi spots etc....

Thank you.

-- Shamil


Wed, 13 Jun 2012 08:46:03 -0700 ?? "Jim Lawrence" <accessd at shaw.ca>:
> Thank you, Shamil. 
> 
> So if an odd looking couple comes knocking at you door one day you should
> not be surprised. ;-)
> 
> Jim
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Salakhetdinov
> Shamil
> Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2012 8:21 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Dvorak's rant on Windows 8
> 
> Hi Jim --
> 
> > That is on my todo list.
> You're welcome!
> 
> Thank you.
> 
> -- Shamil
> 
> 
> Tue, 12 Jun 2012 09:52:43 -0700 ?? "Jim Lawrence" <accessd at shaw.ca>:
> > That is on my todo list.
> > 
> > Jim
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
> > Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2012 9:27 AM
> > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Dvorak's rant on Windows 8
> > 
> > Hi Hans et al
> > 
> > Yep. St. Petersburg is so far from the "dull, grey Soviet city of the cold
> > war" you may have in mind, that it is hard to believe. A true star of the
> > European cities. 
> > It's not the capital of Russia but could have been, so if you ever have the
> > option to stop by or redirect your journey, don't hesitate.
> > 
> > /gustav


From mcp2004 at mail.ru  Wed Jun 13 15:43:28 2012
From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=)
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2012 00:43:28 +0400
Subject: [AccessD] =?utf-8?q?Dvorak=27s_rant_on_Windows_8?=
In-Reply-To: <sfd911eb.089@cactus.dk>
References: <sfd911eb.089@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <1339620208.223620331@f239.mail.ru>

Hi Gustav --

> English translations? That's cheating!
Yes, it's :)  But one can't avoid it as English text on labels is placed right under Cyrillic original...
And I believe intercity trains and plains departures and arrivals announcements are also duplicated in English (I have to check if that is done for all or only for the main destination ones as e.g. St.Petersburg <-> Moscow.)
And of course you'll find English menus in good restaurants, pubs and cafetieres, which are so many now here...

---

And returning to this thread subject - special WinPhone UI related discovery for Hans :)   (cross-posted in dba-VB)

Apple Founder Inventor Steve Wozniak: "Why I Love My Windows Phone 7.5 Mango"
http://anewdomain.net/2012/04/26/apple-founder-inventor-steve-wozniak-why-i-love-my-windows-phone-7-5-fan/

"I'm kind of shocked. Every screen is much more beautiful than the same apps on Android and iPhone..."

Thank you.

-- Shamil

Wed, 13 Jun 2012 22:18:59 +0200 ?? "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>:
> Hi Shamil
> 
> English translations? That's cheating!
> 
> /gustav
> 
> 
> >>> mcp2004 at mail.ru 13-06-12 18:34 >>>
> Hi Jim --
> 
> No, I will not. In fact several people from AccessD did come here (incognito) and we have had meetings in the local pubs and restaurants :)
> 
> You're welcome, just inform me in advance for me to be here in the SPB to meet you.
> FYI: in St.Petersburg downtown all the street names and train/metro/public transport stations titles have English translations so it's rather easy to walk around with map/navigator for foreigners even alone. (Some brave people from AccessD did investigate St.Petersburg in the times when everything was only in Cyrillic - and they didn't get lost.). Nowadays there are many new pubs, restaurants, shop/sopping-malls opened here with free wi-fi spots etc....
> 
> Thank you.
> 
> -- Shamil
> 
> 
> Wed, 13 Jun 2012 08:46:03 -0700 ?? "Jim Lawrence" <accessd at shaw.ca>:
> > Thank you, Shamil. 
> > 
> > So if an odd looking couple comes knocking at you door one day you should
> > not be surprised. ;-)
> > 
> > Jim
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Salakhetdinov
> > Shamil
> > Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2012 8:21 AM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Dvorak's rant on Windows 8
> > 
> > Hi Jim --
> > 
> > > That is on my todo list.
> > You're welcome!
> > 
> > Thank you.
> > 
> > -- Shamil
> > 
> > 
> > Tue, 12 Jun 2012 09:52:43 -0700 ?? "Jim Lawrence" <accessd at shaw.ca>:
> > > That is on my todo list.
> > > 
> > > Jim
> > > 
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
> > > Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2012 9:27 AM
> > > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Dvorak's rant on Windows 8
> > > 
> > > Hi Hans et al
> > > 
> > > Yep. St. Petersburg is so far from the "dull, grey Soviet city of the cold
> > > war" you may have in mind, that it is hard to believe. A true star of the
> > > European cities. 
> > > It's not the capital of Russia but could have been, so if you ever have the
> > > option to stop by or redirect your journey, don't hesitate.
> > > 
> > > /gustav
> 
> -- 
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 


From mcp2004 at mail.ru  Wed Jun 13 16:13:35 2012
From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=)
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2012 01:13:35 +0400
Subject: [AccessD]
 =?utf-8?q?OT=3A_Win8_Preview_=2832bit=29_on_Oracle_Virt?=
 =?utf-8?q?ual_Box_=2832bit=29_or_VMWare_Workstation_8_=2832bit=29=3F?=
In-Reply-To: <4BBEEF62B12440B78848B4D9DFCB1310@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <1339601439.115133010@f156.mail.ru><FDE4F93EB2114878883392CCA6C75D5B@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<1339605392.306564752@f302.mail.ru>
	<4BBEEF62B12440B78848B4D9DFCB1310@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <1339622015.926202153@f264.mail.ru>

Thank you, Jim --

I will try to setup Win8 Preview on Oracle Virtual Box next week, hopefully.
I have checked using this utility (http://www.intel.com/support/processors/tools/piu/sb/CS-014921.htm) which I have got from this link (http://www.sysprobs.com/disable-enable-virtualization-technology-bios)  Virtualization Technology is enabled on my laptop box.

Thank you.

-- Shamil


Wed, 13 Jun 2012 11:07:34 -0700 ?? "Jim Lawrence" <accessd at shaw.ca>:
> Yes, you can just connect to the image and install easily. 
> 
> http://www.addictivetips.com/windows-tips/how-to-install-windows-8-on-virtua
> lbox/
> 
> The above link may help.
> 
> Note: Make sure your processor supports Virtualization Technology and is
> enabled. Windows 8 will not work if your processor does not support
> Virtualization Technology. (Most computers have the technology but it is not
> necessarily started...You can start it from a setting in your BIOS)
> 
> Jim
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Salakhetdinov
> Shamil
> Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2012 9:37 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Win8 Preview (32bit) on Oracle Virtual Box
> (32bit) or VMWare Workstation 8 (32bit)?
> 
> Hi Jim --
> 
> Thank you for your information.
> 
> I have got Win8 Preview ISO image downloaded - does Oracle Virtual Box have
> a feature to "mount" that ISO image or I have to burn a physical DVD?
> 
> Thank you.
> 
> -- Shamil
> 
> Wed, 13 Jun 2012 08:59:35 -0700 ?? "Jim Lawrence" <accessd at shaw.ca>:
> > Hi Shamil:
> > 
> > Yes, I did but I had some problems but I believe they were unrelated to
> the
> > software involved. The cause was most likely some of the ASUS mother board
> > software used to initialize a number of the components on the board...a
> > bleeding edge 64 bit over-clocked unit.
> > 
> > I have another 32bit computer with a VirtualBox on it (which I have been
> > using to emulate the Raspberry PI) and have been meaning to do the install
> > for a couple of weeks...as the OS disk is sitting on the edge of my work
> > table. (Work keeps getting in the way of fun.)
> > 
> > Jim   
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Salakhetdinov
> > Shamil
> > Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2012 8:31 AM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: [AccessD] OT: Win8 Preview (32bit) on Oracle Virtual Box (32bit)
> or
> > VMWare Workstation 8 (32bit)?
> > 
> > Hi All --
> > 
> > Did anybody try to setup and run Win 8 Preview on Oracle Virtual Box or
> > VMWare Workstation 8?
> > 
> > Thank you.
> > 
> > -- Shamil
> > 
> > -- 
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > 
> > -- 
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > 
> 
> -- 
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 
> 
> -- 
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> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 


From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Jun 14 08:39:33 2012
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2012 09:39:33 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] The wonderful thing about Linux...
In-Reply-To: <A1AA78940921437EB7B697E99056D5BD@abpc>
References: <CAEPJO1gPgjgYPaNjU023GShZxUoDnzDr5_S5-4jR_PkQTQdZoQ@mail.gmail.com><7C6666C0-82E0-4509-90A4-45D8AC6B8374@phulse.com>
	<3452E8D9E2FE463F8C4FCEA2378ADF51@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<A1AA78940921437EB7B697E99056D5BD@abpc>
Message-ID: <4FD9E995.1080603@colbyconsulting.com>

Do you have your RasPi?  Mine is "on order" though I have not received a ship date email yet.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 6/2/2012 6:47 AM, Asger Blond wrote:
> For those of you using SqueezeBox Server to play music this might be of interest:
>
> http://squeezeplug.de/
>
> Just 10 days ago I bought a Sheeva Multi Boot plug computer from NewIT (size 110mm x 69.5 mm x 48.5 mm) to run my SqueezeBox server.
>
> Works fine: I can select my music from an iPad without a noisy and power consuming computer or NAS turned on. The plug is absolutely noiseless and consumes about 5 watt/hour.
>
> But had I waited just a few more days I could have used the above link to install the server on Raspberry PI (size of a credit card)...
>
> Now I have to put up with a devise which already seems old and clumsy...
>
>
>
> Only consolation: maybe the grapes are sour, said
>
> Asger
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
> Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Jim Lawrence
> Sendt: 1. juni 2012 21:52
> Til: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'; 'Off Topic'; 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Emne: [AccessD] The wonderful thing about Linux...
>
>
>
> With the arrival of these new little Linux Raspberry PI, options to tinker
>
> play and automate everything in and around your house or even business is a
>
> possibilty.
>
>
>
> You are going to have to learn how to use Python
>
> (http://wiki.python.org/moin/BeginnersGuide/NonProgrammers), and that will
>
> take a couple of weeks to master or at least become dangerious with.
>
>
>
> http://www.linuxinsider.com/rsstory/75259.html
>
>
>
> With the new Raspberry PIs, on there way we can all become kids again. ;-)
>
>
>
> Jim
>
>
>


From rusty.hammond at cpiqpc.com  Thu Jun 14 12:02:01 2012
From: rusty.hammond at cpiqpc.com (Rusty Hammond)
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2012 12:02:01 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Tricky query question
Message-ID: <49A286ABF515E94A8505CD14DEB721701744AA60@CPIEMAIL-EVS1.CPIQPC.NET>

I have a table of historical data for our clients.  The data consists of
the ClientID, the ID for the employee responsible for that client and a
date pertaining to the record.  I need to get the latest date the
responsible party changes.  For example with the following dataset:

ClientID		EmpID		RecDate
1111		5498		1/1/2009
1111		1234		1/1/2010
1111		5678		2/15/2012
1111		5678		4/25/2012
2222		1234		6/5/2006
2222		6789		5/1/2007
2222		4567		9/26/2011
2222		4567		1/1/2012

I want the results

ClientID		EmpID		RecDate
1111		5678		2/15/2012
2222		4567		9/26/2011

I can spin through the recordset in code and do this, but can I do this
with a query or queries?

Thanks,

Rusty Hammond
CPI Qualified Plan Consultants, Inc.
rusty.hammond at cpiqpc.com



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From accessd at shaw.ca  Thu Jun 14 12:03:34 2012
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2012 10:03:34 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] The wonderful thing about Linux...
In-Reply-To: <4FD9E995.1080603@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <CAEPJO1gPgjgYPaNjU023GShZxUoDnzDr5_S5-4jR_PkQTQdZoQ@mail.gmail.com><7C6666C0-82E0-4509-90A4-45D8AC6B8374@phulse.com><3452E8D9E2FE463F8C4FCEA2378ADF51@creativesystemdesigns.com><A1AA78940921437EB7B697E99056D5BD@abpc>
	<4FD9E995.1080603@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <C9802752E9B44F4E8148C66998C09A25@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Hi John:

The closest I have to a Raspberry PI is from a series of articles
originating from their site, that instructed how to set up a virtual RPI.
The Debian Linux I have in it is very small, with very limited features but
it is not actually like the highly compiled version you will get on the real
RPI.

I have been using it to try and learn Python. If you do decide to go that
route you will have to increase the recommended size limit as full Python
libraries eat up a lot of room. Below is a series of links I posted on the
DBA Tech list last year.

The following links will instruct you how to emulate a virtual Raspberry:

<comment>
Raspberry PI is launching in just a few week. For those of you who want to
get ready here is a way you can do so. The OS of the Raspberry is a highly
optimized and compiled version of Fedora Linux which is compiled for the
specific hardware and will not work on another device.

But you can setup a virtual drive on your PC, install Debian Linux and
configure it in a very similar method to how the Raspberry PI will run.
Below is a set of tutorials on how to accomplish this and even how to do
some game programming, on the new computer. It is simple, has a very small
foot-print, can install on any PC with a few Megabytes of room. (These
tutorials are very educational and can be used to train further...)

Raspberry Pi Fedora Remix launches
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KoSt1VP5kVY

Raspberry Pi Tutorial 1 - An Introduction to Debian Linux
http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&feature=endscreen&v=28CqDKjtppg

Raspberry Pi Tutorial 2 - Snapshots, VirtualBox Guest Additions & Installing
Packages.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=po0FvGRXPmw&feature=endscreen

Raspberry Pi Tutorial 3 - Hello World, Geany and Python
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&NR=1&v=SXmYIAGwpe4

Raspberry Pi Tutorial 4 - Coding Style and more Python
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NVVLlUb7vhE&feature=endscreen&NR=1

Raspberry Pi Tutorial 5 - An introduction to Game Development, PyGame
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&NR=1&v=UeGzh4zAPyY

Raspberry Pi Tutorial 6 - Your first game with PyGame
http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&feature=endscreen&v=h4jgpsB8EbQ

Raspberry Pi Tutorial 7 - Object Oriented Game Programming with Python and
PyGame http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&NR=1&v=seUxf-AxyzE

Raspberry Pi Tutorial 8 - Finishing off PiShooter
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&v=heZtzABZANU&NR=1

Raspberry Pi Tutorial 9 - Starting Pi Snake
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&NR=1&v=z0cxLJY1Vzo

Raspberry Pi Tutorial 10 - Feeding PiSnake
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hEQublWVxmM&feature=endscreen&NR=1

Raspberry Pi Tutorial 11 - Snake Segments
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6XI-3mwhLtY&feature=related

Raspberry Pi Tutorial 12 - A Moving Snake
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P5PeMTImEkg&feature=related

Raspberry Pi Tutorial 13 - Eating Food
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R18zZkHzDP0&feature=related

Raspberry Pi Tutorial 14 - Snake Collisions
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P6P9ajDOEcM&feature=related
</comment>

Have fun
Jim 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2012 6:40 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] The wonderful thing about Linux...

Do you have your RasPi?  Mine is "on order" though I have not received a
ship date email yet.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 6/2/2012 6:47 AM, Asger Blond wrote:
> For those of you using SqueezeBox Server to play music this might be of
interest:
>
> http://squeezeplug.de/
>
> Just 10 days ago I bought a Sheeva Multi Boot plug computer from NewIT
(size 110mm x 69.5 mm x 48.5 mm) to run my SqueezeBox server.
>
> Works fine: I can select my music from an iPad without a noisy and power
consuming computer or NAS turned on. The plug is absolutely noiseless and
consumes about 5 watt/hour.
>
> But had I waited just a few more days I could have used the above link to
install the server on Raspberry PI (size of a credit card)...
>
> Now I have to put up with a devise which already seems old and clumsy...
>
>
>
> Only consolation: maybe the grapes are sour, said
>
> Asger
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
> Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Jim Lawrence
> Sendt: 1. juni 2012 21:52
> Til: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'; 'Off Topic'; 'Access
Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Emne: [AccessD] The wonderful thing about Linux...
>
>
>
> With the arrival of these new little Linux Raspberry PI, options to tinker
>
> play and automate everything in and around your house or even business is
a
>
> possibilty.
>
>
>
> You are going to have to learn how to use Python
>
> (http://wiki.python.org/moin/BeginnersGuide/NonProgrammers), and that will
>
> take a couple of weeks to master or at least become dangerious with.
>
>
>
> http://www.linuxinsider.com/rsstory/75259.html
>
>
>
> With the new Raspberry PIs, on there way we can all become kids again. ;-)
>
>
>
> Jim
>
>
>

-- 
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From davidmcafee at gmail.com  Thu Jun 14 12:14:51 2012
From: davidmcafee at gmail.com (David McAfee)
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2012 10:14:51 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Tricky query question
In-Reply-To: <49A286ABF515E94A8505CD14DEB721701744AA60@CPIEMAIL-EVS1.CPIQPC.NET>
References: <49A286ABF515E94A8505CD14DEB721701744AA60@CPIEMAIL-EVS1.CPIQPC.NET>
Message-ID: <CAMhYZWZTuEtZGT6F46_J1E=TnWYbovXG1Hc0RMBbCLzEAs_ujA@mail.gmail.com>

SELECT B.ClientID, B.EmpID, B.RecDate
FROM
(SELECT ClientID, Max(RecDate) AS MaxDate FROM SomeTable GROUP BY ClientID)
A
INNER JOIN SomeTable ON A.ClientID = B.ClientID




On Thu, Jun 14, 2012 at 10:02 AM, Rusty Hammond <rusty.hammond at cpiqpc.com>wrote:

> I have a table of historical data for our clients.  The data consists of
> the ClientID, the ID for the employee responsible for that client and a
> date pertaining to the record.  I need to get the latest date the
> responsible party changes.  For example with the following dataset:
>
> ClientID                EmpID           RecDate
> 1111            5498            1/1/2009
> 1111            1234            1/1/2010
> 1111            5678            2/15/2012
> 1111            5678            4/25/2012
> 2222            1234            6/5/2006
> 2222            6789            5/1/2007
> 2222            4567            9/26/2011
> 2222            4567            1/1/2012
>
> I want the results
>
> ClientID                EmpID           RecDate
> 1111            5678            2/15/2012
> 2222            4567            9/26/2011
>
> I can spin through the recordset in code and do this, but can I do this
> with a query or queries?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Rusty Hammond
> CPI Qualified Plan Consultants, Inc.
> rusty.hammond at cpiqpc.com
>
>
>
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From Lambert.Heenan at chartisinsurance.com  Thu Jun 14 13:16:21 2012
From: Lambert.Heenan at chartisinsurance.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2012 14:16:21 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Tricky query question
In-Reply-To: <CAMhYZWZTuEtZGT6F46_J1E=TnWYbovXG1Hc0RMBbCLzEAs_ujA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <49A286ABF515E94A8505CD14DEB721701744AA60@CPIEMAIL-EVS1.CPIQPC.NET>
	<CAMhYZWZTuEtZGT6F46_J1E=TnWYbovXG1Hc0RMBbCLzEAs_ujA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <F5B2E2ECEE84F142883A2E6DCA867F984BFAC898@LIVP3MMBX10.mail.aig.net>

Won't that select the row for each clientID that has the largest date?

i.e.

1111            5678            4/25/2012
2222            4567            1/1/2012
 
which was not the desired result

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of David McAfee
Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2012 1:15 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Tricky query question

SELECT B.ClientID, B.EmpID, B.RecDate
FROM
(SELECT ClientID, Max(RecDate) AS MaxDate FROM SomeTable GROUP BY ClientID) A INNER JOIN SomeTable ON A.ClientID = B.ClientID




On Thu, Jun 14, 2012 at 10:02 AM, Rusty Hammond <rusty.hammond at cpiqpc.com>wrote:

> I have a table of historical data for our clients.  The data consists 
> of the ClientID, the ID for the employee responsible for that client 
> and a date pertaining to the record.  I need to get the latest date 
> the responsible party changes.  For example with the following dataset:
>
> ClientID                EmpID           RecDate
> 1111            5498            1/1/2009
> 1111            1234            1/1/2010
> 1111            5678            2/15/2012
> 1111            5678            4/25/2012
> 2222            1234            6/5/2006
> 2222            6789            5/1/2007
> 2222            4567            9/26/2011
> 2222            4567            1/1/2012
>
> I want the results
>
> ClientID                EmpID           RecDate
> 1111            5678            2/15/2012
> 2222            4567            9/26/2011
>
> I can spin through the recordset in code and do this, but can I do 
> this with a query or queries?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Rusty Hammond
> CPI Qualified Plan Consultants, Inc.
> rusty.hammond at cpiqpc.com
>
>
>
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From rusty.hammond at cpiqpc.com  Thu Jun 14 13:27:45 2012
From: rusty.hammond at cpiqpc.com (Rusty Hammond)
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2012 13:27:45 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Tricky query question
In-Reply-To: <F5B2E2ECEE84F142883A2E6DCA867F984BFAC898@LIVP3MMBX10.mail.aig.net>
References: <49A286ABF515E94A8505CD14DEB721701744AA60@CPIEMAIL-EVS1.CPIQPC.NET><CAMhYZWZTuEtZGT6F46_J1E=TnWYbovXG1Hc0RMBbCLzEAs_ujA@mail.gmail.com>
	<F5B2E2ECEE84F142883A2E6DCA867F984BFAC898@LIVP3MMBX10.mail.aig.net>
Message-ID: <49A286ABF515E94A8505CD14DEB721701744AA64@CPIEMAIL-EVS1.CPIQPC.NET>

Correct, I don't want the largest date for the client, I want the last
time the EmpID changed for that client.

Rusty

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan,
Lambert
Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2012 1:16 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Tricky query question

Won't that select the row for each clientID that has the largest date?

i.e.

1111            5678            4/25/2012
2222            4567            1/1/2012
 
which was not the desired result

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of David McAfee
Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2012 1:15 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Tricky query question

SELECT B.ClientID, B.EmpID, B.RecDate
FROM
(SELECT ClientID, Max(RecDate) AS MaxDate FROM SomeTable GROUP BY
ClientID) A INNER JOIN SomeTable ON A.ClientID = B.ClientID




On Thu, Jun 14, 2012 at 10:02 AM, Rusty Hammond
<rusty.hammond at cpiqpc.com>wrote:

> I have a table of historical data for our clients.  The data consists 
> of the ClientID, the ID for the employee responsible for that client 
> and a date pertaining to the record.  I need to get the latest date 
> the responsible party changes.  For example with the following
dataset:
>
> ClientID                EmpID           RecDate
> 1111            5498            1/1/2009
> 1111            1234            1/1/2010
> 1111            5678            2/15/2012
> 1111            5678            4/25/2012
> 2222            1234            6/5/2006
> 2222            6789            5/1/2007
> 2222            4567            9/26/2011
> 2222            4567            1/1/2012
>
> I want the results
>
> ClientID                EmpID           RecDate
> 1111            5678            2/15/2012
> 2222            4567            9/26/2011
>
> I can spin through the recordset in code and do this, but can I do 
> this with a query or queries?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Rusty Hammond
> CPI Qualified Plan Consultants, Inc.
> rusty.hammond at cpiqpc.com
>
>
>
> **********************************************************************
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From davidmcafee at gmail.com  Thu Jun 14 14:13:48 2012
From: davidmcafee at gmail.com (David McAfee)
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2012 12:13:48 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Tricky query question
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	<CAMhYZWZTuEtZGT6F46_J1E=TnWYbovXG1Hc0RMBbCLzEAs_ujA@mail.gmail.com>
	<F5B2E2ECEE84F142883A2E6DCA867F984BFAC898@LIVP3MMBX10.mail.aig.net>
	<49A286ABF515E94A8505CD14DEB721701744AA64@CPIEMAIL-EVS1.CPIQPC.NET>
Message-ID: <CAMhYZWaRaauXq6_TmsQ-ExxTV78dyLdAf-+Cj+AnTs+j98EprQ@mail.gmail.com>

Sorry, I didn't read that correctly.

This should work:

SELECT B.ClientID, B.EmpID, B.RecDate
FROM
(
SELECT ClientID, Max(MinDate) AS MaxDate FROM
(SELECT ClientID, EmpID, Min(RecDate) AS MinDate FROM SomeTable GROUP BY
ClientID, EmpID) C
GROUP BY ClientID
)A
INNER JOIN SomeTable B ON A.ClientID = B.ClientID AND B.RecDate = A.MaxDate




On Thu, Jun 14, 2012 at 11:27 AM, Rusty Hammond <rusty.hammond at cpiqpc.com>wrote:

> Correct, I don't want the largest date for the client, I want the last
> time the EmpID changed for that client.
>
> Rusty
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan,
> Lambert
> Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2012 1:16 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Tricky query question
>
> Won't that select the row for each clientID that has the largest date?
>
> i.e.
>
> 1111            5678            4/25/2012
> 2222            4567            1/1/2012
>
> which was not the desired result
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of David McAfee
> Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2012 1:15 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Tricky query question
>
> SELECT B.ClientID, B.EmpID, B.RecDate
> FROM
> (SELECT ClientID, Max(RecDate) AS MaxDate FROM SomeTable GROUP BY
> ClientID) A INNER JOIN SomeTable ON A.ClientID = B.ClientID
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 14, 2012 at 10:02 AM, Rusty Hammond
> <rusty.hammond at cpiqpc.com>wrote:
>
> > I have a table of historical data for our clients.  The data consists
> > of the ClientID, the ID for the employee responsible for that client
> > and a date pertaining to the record.  I need to get the latest date
> > the responsible party changes.  For example with the following
> dataset:
> >
> > ClientID                EmpID           RecDate
> > 1111            5498            1/1/2009
> > 1111            1234            1/1/2010
> > 1111            5678            2/15/2012
> > 1111            5678            4/25/2012
> > 2222            1234            6/5/2006
> > 2222            6789            5/1/2007
> > 2222            4567            9/26/2011
> > 2222            4567            1/1/2012
> >
> > I want the results
> >
> > ClientID                EmpID           RecDate
> > 1111            5678            2/15/2012
> > 2222            4567            9/26/2011
> >
> > I can spin through the recordset in code and do this, but can I do
> > this with a query or queries?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Rusty Hammond
> > CPI Qualified Plan Consultants, Inc.
> > rusty.hammond at cpiqpc.com
> >
> >
> >
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From rusty.hammond at cpiqpc.com  Thu Jun 14 14:48:28 2012
From: rusty.hammond at cpiqpc.com (Rusty Hammond)
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2012 14:48:28 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Tricky query question
In-Reply-To: <CAMhYZWaRaauXq6_TmsQ-ExxTV78dyLdAf-+Cj+AnTs+j98EprQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Looks like that's going to work.

Thank you David!

Rusty 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of David McAfee
Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2012 2:14 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Tricky query question

Sorry, I didn't read that correctly.

This should work:

SELECT B.ClientID, B.EmpID, B.RecDate
FROM
(
SELECT ClientID, Max(MinDate) AS MaxDate FROM (SELECT ClientID, EmpID,
Min(RecDate) AS MinDate FROM SomeTable GROUP BY ClientID, EmpID) C GROUP
BY ClientID )A INNER JOIN SomeTable B ON A.ClientID = B.ClientID AND
B.RecDate = A.MaxDate




On Thu, Jun 14, 2012 at 11:27 AM, Rusty Hammond
<rusty.hammond at cpiqpc.com>wrote:

> Correct, I don't want the largest date for the client, I want the last

> time the EmpID changed for that client.
>
> Rusty
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan, 
> Lambert
> Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2012 1:16 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Tricky query question
>
> Won't that select the row for each clientID that has the largest date?
>
> i.e.
>
> 1111            5678            4/25/2012
> 2222            4567            1/1/2012
>
> which was not the desired result
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of David 
> McAfee
> Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2012 1:15 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Tricky query question
>
> SELECT B.ClientID, B.EmpID, B.RecDate
> FROM
> (SELECT ClientID, Max(RecDate) AS MaxDate FROM SomeTable GROUP BY
> ClientID) A INNER JOIN SomeTable ON A.ClientID = B.ClientID
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 14, 2012 at 10:02 AM, Rusty Hammond
> <rusty.hammond at cpiqpc.com>wrote:
>
> > I have a table of historical data for our clients.  The data 
> > consists of the ClientID, the ID for the employee responsible for 
> > that client and a date pertaining to the record.  I need to get the 
> > latest date the responsible party changes.  For example with the 
> > following
> dataset:
> >
> > ClientID                EmpID           RecDate
> > 1111            5498            1/1/2009
> > 1111            1234            1/1/2010
> > 1111            5678            2/15/2012
> > 1111            5678            4/25/2012
> > 2222            1234            6/5/2006
> > 2222            6789            5/1/2007
> > 2222            4567            9/26/2011
> > 2222            4567            1/1/2012
> >
> > I want the results
> >
> > ClientID                EmpID           RecDate
> > 1111            5678            2/15/2012
> > 2222            4567            9/26/2011
> >
> > I can spin through the recordset in code and do this, but can I do 
> > this with a query or queries?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Rusty Hammond
> > CPI Qualified Plan Consultants, Inc.
> > rusty.hammond at cpiqpc.com
> >
> >
> >
> > ********************************************************************
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sat Jun 16 09:53:20 2012
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2012 10:53:20 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] How to troubleshoot a blue screen
Message-ID: <4FDC9DE0.1090306@colbyconsulting.com>

My SQL Server blue screens about once a month or so.  It does not appear to be heat related, or at 
least CPU heat related as I have top flight HSFs which hold the temps below 35 C.  The temps in the 
case stay around that temperature or below.  The blue screens appear to be SQL Server related, as 
they seem to be triggered by my doing something in SSMS.  This last time I started an update query 
and it immediately blue screened, by which I mean I clicked start (the query) and the blue screen 
occurred.

This is an AMD dual cpu server, both CPUs populated.  32 gigs ECC RAM on each side.  Being a server 
there is no overclocking.  There is a lot going on hardware wise however.  I use an Areca 16 port 
RAID controller, RAID 6 arrays built from 1 tb WD black drives.  I am using SSDs to create a Raid1 
array hosting several of my Read Mostly databases.  The specific update that caused the blue screen 
was not on SSD however, it was on the Areca rotating media raid 6.

I am at a loss on how to troubleshoot.  It "feels" like it must be a memory problem, and yet the 
memory is ECC.  Perhaps I have a bad DIMM which just flakes out.

-- 
John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it



From mcp2004 at mail.ru  Sun Jun 17 12:46:37 2012
From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=)
Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2012 21:46:37 +0400
Subject: [AccessD]
 =?utf-8?q?OT=3A_Win8_Preview_=2832bit=29_on_Oracle_Virt?=
 =?utf-8?q?ual_Box_=2832bit=29_or_VMWare_Workstation_8_=2832bit=29=3F?=
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References: <1339601439.115133010@f156.mail.ru><FDE4F93EB2114878883392CCA6C75D5B@creativesystemdesigns.com>
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Message-ID: <1339955197.607093385@f193.mail.ru>

Hi Jim --

> Yes, you can just connect to the image and install easily. 
Are you kidding? :)

Did you get Win8 Preview installed under Oracle Virtual Box 4.1.16 (latest official release)?

I have tried and I have got:

Your PC needs to restart
Please hold down the pwoer button
Error Code: 0x0000005D
Parameters:
0x03060F06
0x756E6547
0x49656E69
ox6C65746E

see: https://forums.virtualbox.org/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=49898

I have also tried to use Virtual PC on Win 7 and I have got:

HAL_INITIALIZATION FAILED

http://techibee.com/windows-8/windows-8-hal_initialization-failed-you-pc-ran-into-a-problem-that-it-couldnt-handle-and-now-it-needs-to-restart/1110

They say (in the above link) that Win8 Preview can be only installed on:

Hyper-V in Windows 8 Developer Preview
Hyper-V in Windows Server 2008 R2
VMware Workstation 8.0 for Windows
VirtualBox 4.1.2 for Windows

But latest official Virtual Box setup has version # 4.1.16.

Should I try to get v.4.1.2 from here?

http://download.virtualbox.org/virtualbox/
http://download.virtualbox.org/virtualbox/4.1.2/

Questions, questions...

Or I should better purchase VMWare Worstation 8.0 license - a bit expensive but it should be a useful software not only to install Win8 Preview but for many other purposes? 

Thank you.

-- Shamil

Wed, 13 Jun 2012 11:07:34 -0700 ?? "Jim Lawrence" <accessd at shaw.ca>:
> Yes, you can just connect to the image and install easily. 
> 
> http://www.addictivetips.com/windows-tips/how-to-install-windows-8-on-virtua
> lbox/
> 
> The above link may help.
> 
> Note: Make sure your processor supports Virtualization Technology and is
> enabled. Windows 8 will not work if your processor does not support
> Virtualization Technology. (Most computers have the technology but it is not
> necessarily started...You can start it from a setting in your BIOS)
> 
> Jim
<<< snip >>>


From accessd at shaw.ca  Sun Jun 17 15:28:13 2012
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2012 13:28:13 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Win8 Preview (32bit) on Oracle Virtual Box
	(32bit) or VMWare Workstation 8 (32bit)?
In-Reply-To: <1339955197.607093385@f193.mail.ru>
References: <1339601439.115133010@f156.mail.ru><FDE4F93EB2114878883392CCA6C75D5B@creativesystemdesigns.com><1339605392.306564752@f302.mail.ru><4BBEEF62B12440B78848B4D9DFCB1310@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<1339955197.607093385@f193.mail.ru>
Message-ID: <18575F0521614848A171228A37D0C68F@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Hi Shamil:

I am sorry to hear that. 

I have read many articles showing how easy it is to do. Unfortunately, I
haven't had the time to do that...maybe this father's day I might get a
chance to test an install.

The only person who I know who got a stable install was Hans and he was
doing it on his Mac.

Before you run out and buy something expensive let me give it a try and see
how it goes.

Jim

PS: Did you make sure the PCs virtualization was turned on as it is not
turned on by default?
http://www.sysprobs.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/virt_bios.gif


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Salakhetdinov
Shamil
Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2012 10:47 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Win8 Preview (32bit) on Oracle Virtual Box
(32bit) or VMWare Workstation 8 (32bit)?

Hi Jim --

> Yes, you can just connect to the image and install easily. 
Are you kidding? :)

Did you get Win8 Preview installed under Oracle Virtual Box 4.1.16 (latest
official release)?

I have tried and I have got:

Your PC needs to restart
Please hold down the pwoer button
Error Code: 0x0000005D
Parameters:
0x03060F06
0x756E6547
0x49656E69
ox6C65746E

see: https://forums.virtualbox.org/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=49898

I have also tried to use Virtual PC on Win 7 and I have got:

HAL_INITIALIZATION FAILED

http://techibee.com/windows-8/windows-8-hal_initialization-failed-you-pc-ran
-into-a-problem-that-it-couldnt-handle-and-now-it-needs-to-restart/1110

They say (in the above link) that Win8 Preview can be only installed on:

Hyper-V in Windows 8 Developer Preview
Hyper-V in Windows Server 2008 R2
VMware Workstation 8.0 for Windows
VirtualBox 4.1.2 for Windows

But latest official Virtual Box setup has version # 4.1.16.

Should I try to get v.4.1.2 from here?

http://download.virtualbox.org/virtualbox/
http://download.virtualbox.org/virtualbox/4.1.2/

Questions, questions...

Or I should better purchase VMWare Worstation 8.0 license - a bit expensive
but it should be a useful software not only to install Win8 Preview but for
many other purposes? 

Thank you.

-- Shamil

Wed, 13 Jun 2012 11:07:34 -0700 ?? "Jim Lawrence" <accessd at shaw.ca>:
> Yes, you can just connect to the image and install easily. 
> 
>
http://www.addictivetips.com/windows-tips/how-to-install-windows-8-on-virtua
> lbox/
> 
> The above link may help.
> 
> Note: Make sure your processor supports Virtualization Technology and is
> enabled. Windows 8 will not work if your processor does not support
> Virtualization Technology. (Most computers have the technology but it is
not
> necessarily started...You can start it from a setting in your BIOS)
> 
> Jim
<<< snip >>>

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From mcp2004 at mail.ru  Sun Jun 17 16:16:49 2012
From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=)
Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2012 01:16:49 +0400
Subject: [AccessD]
 =?utf-8?q?OT=3A_Win8_Preview_=2832bit=29_on_Oracle_Virt?=
 =?utf-8?q?ual_Box_=2832bit=29_or_VMWare_Workstation_8_=2832bit=29=3F?=
In-Reply-To: <18575F0521614848A171228A37D0C68F@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <1339601439.115133010@f156.mail.ru><FDE4F93EB2114878883392CCA6C75D5B@creativesystemdesigns.com><1339605392.306564752@f302.mail.ru><4BBEEF62B12440B78848B4D9DFCB1310@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<1339955197.607093385@f193.mail.ru>
	<18575F0521614848A171228A37D0C68F@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <1339967809.964169822@f228.mail.ru>

Hi Jim --

Thank you, I will wait for your trial Win8 Preview setup.

Yes, I have virtualization enabled on BIOS level:

http://smsconsulting.spb.ru/stest/ve.jpg

still

http://smsconsulting.spb.ru/stest/win8setupnojoy.png

Thank you.

-- Shamil

Sun, 17 Jun 2012 13:28:13 -0700 ?? "Jim Lawrence" <accessd at shaw.ca>:
> Hi Shamil:
> 
> I am sorry to hear that. 
> 
> I have read many articles showing how easy it is to do. Unfortunately, I
> haven't had the time to do that...maybe this father's day I might get a
> chance to test an install.
> 
> The only person who I know who got a stable install was Hans and he was
> doing it on his Mac.
> 
> Before you run out and buy something expensive let me give it a try and see
> how it goes.
> 
> Jim
> 
> PS: Did you make sure the PCs virtualization was turned on as it is not
> turned on by default?
> http://www.sysprobs.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/virt_bios.gif
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Salakhetdinov
> Shamil
> Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2012 10:47 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Win8 Preview (32bit) on Oracle Virtual Box
> (32bit) or VMWare Workstation 8 (32bit)?
> 
> Hi Jim --
> 
> > Yes, you can just connect to the image and install easily. 
> Are you kidding? :)
> 
> Did you get Win8 Preview installed under Oracle Virtual Box 4.1.16 (latest
> official release)?
> 
> I have tried and I have got:
> 
> Your PC needs to restart
> Please hold down the pwoer button
> Error Code: 0x0000005D
> Parameters:
> 0x03060F06
> 0x756E6547
> 0x49656E69
> ox6C65746E
> 
> see: https://forums.virtualbox.org/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=49898
> 
> I have also tried to use Virtual PC on Win 7 and I have got:
> 
> HAL_INITIALIZATION FAILED
> 
> http://techibee.com/windows-8/windows-8-hal_initialization-failed-you-pc-ran
> -into-a-problem-that-it-couldnt-handle-and-now-it-needs-to-restart/1110
> 
> They say (in the above link) that Win8 Preview can be only installed on:
> 
> Hyper-V in Windows 8 Developer Preview
> Hyper-V in Windows Server 2008 R2
> VMware Workstation 8.0 for Windows
> VirtualBox 4.1.2 for Windows
> 
> But latest official Virtual Box setup has version # 4.1.16.
> 
> Should I try to get v.4.1.2 from here?
> 
> http://download.virtualbox.org/virtualbox/
> http://download.virtualbox.org/virtualbox/4.1.2/
> 
> Questions, questions...
> 
> Or I should better purchase VMWare Worstation 8.0 license - a bit expensive
> but it should be a useful software not only to install Win8 Preview but for
> many other purposes? 
> 
> Thank you.
> 
> -- Shamil
> 
> Wed, 13 Jun 2012 11:07:34 -0700 ?? "Jim Lawrence" <accessd at shaw.ca>:
> > Yes, you can just connect to the image and install easily. 
> > 
> >
> http://www.addictivetips.com/windows-tips/how-to-install-windows-8-on-virtua
> > lbox/
> > 
> > The above link may help.
> > 
> > Note: Make sure your processor supports Virtualization Technology and is
> > enabled. Windows 8 will not work if your processor does not support
> > Virtualization Technology. (Most computers have the technology but it is
> not
> > necessarily started...You can start it from a setting in your BIOS)
> > 
> > Jim
> <<< snip >>>
> 
> -- 
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 
> 
> -- 
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From mcp2004 at mail.ru  Sun Jun 17 16:59:51 2012
From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=)
Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2012 01:59:51 +0400
Subject: [AccessD]
 =?utf-8?q?OT=3A_Win8_Preview_=2832bit=29_on_Oracle_Virt?=
 =?utf-8?q?ual_Box_=2832bit=29_or_VMWare_Workstation_8_=2832bit=29=3F?=
In-Reply-To: <1339967809.964169822@f228.mail.ru>
References: <1339601439.115133010@f156.mail.ru><FDE4F93EB2114878883392CCA6C75D5B@creativesystemdesigns.com><1339605392.306564752@f302.mail.ru><4BBEEF62B12440B78848B4D9DFCB1310@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<18575F0521614848A171228A37D0C68F@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<1339967809.964169822@f228.mail.ru>
Message-ID: <1339970391.551717776@f224.mail.ru>

Hi Jim --

I have got some more issues after I have given Win8 Preview setup another try - the issues like one can find described here:

http://dietrichschroff.blogspot.com/2012/06/virtualbox-windows-8-and-error.html

http://dietrichschroff.blogspot.com/2012_06_01_archive.html

It could be that my system CPU

Intel(R) Core(TM)2 CPU  T7200 @ 2.00GHz

is not supported by Win8. It would be strange because it runs Win7 Ultimate just fine and they (MS) say that Win8 doesn't have any specific CPU requirements comparing to Win7?

Thank you.

-- Shamil


Mon, 18 Jun 2012 01:16:49 +0400 ?? Salakhetdinov Shamil <mcp2004 at mail.ru>:
> Hi Jim --
> 
> Thank you, I will wait for your trial Win8 Preview setup.
> 
> Yes, I have virtualization enabled on BIOS level:
> 
> http://smsconsulting.spb.ru/stest/ve.jpg
> 
> still
> 
> http://smsconsulting.spb.ru/stest/win8setupnojoy.png
> 
> Thank you.
> 
> -- Shamil
> 
> Sun, 17 Jun 2012 13:28:13 -0700 ?? "Jim Lawrence" <accessd at shaw.ca>:
> > Hi Shamil:
> > 
> > I am sorry to hear that. 
> > 
> > I have read many articles showing how easy it is to do. Unfortunately, I
> > haven't had the time to do that...maybe this father's day I might get a
> > chance to test an install.
> > 
> > The only person who I know who got a stable install was Hans and he was
> > doing it on his Mac.
> > 
> > Before you run out and buy something expensive let me give it a try and see
> > how it goes.
> > 
> > Jim
> > 
> > PS: Did you make sure the PCs virtualization was turned on as it is not
> > turned on by default?
> > http://www.sysprobs.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/virt_bios.gif
> > 
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Salakhetdinov
> > Shamil
> > Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2012 10:47 AM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Win8 Preview (32bit) on Oracle Virtual Box
> > (32bit) or VMWare Workstation 8 (32bit)?
> > 
> > Hi Jim --
> > 
> > > Yes, you can just connect to the image and install easily. 
> > Are you kidding? :)
> > 
> > Did you get Win8 Preview installed under Oracle Virtual Box 4.1.16 (latest
> > official release)?
> > 
> > I have tried and I have got:
> > 
> > Your PC needs to restart
> > Please hold down the pwoer button
> > Error Code: 0x0000005D
> > Parameters:
> > 0x03060F06
> > 0x756E6547
> > 0x49656E69
> > ox6C65746E
> > 
> > see: https://forums.virtualbox.org/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=49898
> > 
> > I have also tried to use Virtual PC on Win 7 and I have got:
> > 
> > HAL_INITIALIZATION FAILED
> > 
> > http://techibee.com/windows-8/windows-8-hal_initialization-failed-you-pc-ran
> > -into-a-problem-that-it-couldnt-handle-and-now-it-needs-to-restart/1110
> > 
> > They say (in the above link) that Win8 Preview can be only installed on:
> > 
> > Hyper-V in Windows 8 Developer Preview
> > Hyper-V in Windows Server 2008 R2
> > VMware Workstation 8.0 for Windows
> > VirtualBox 4.1.2 for Windows
> > 
> > But latest official Virtual Box setup has version # 4.1.16.
> > 
> > Should I try to get v.4.1.2 from here?
> > 
> > http://download.virtualbox.org/virtualbox/
> > http://download.virtualbox.org/virtualbox/4.1.2/
> > 
> > Questions, questions...
> > 
> > Or I should better purchase VMWare Worstation 8.0 license - a bit expensive
> > but it should be a useful software not only to install Win8 Preview but for
> > many other purposes? 
> > 
> > Thank you.
> > 
> > -- Shamil
> > 
> > Wed, 13 Jun 2012 11:07:34 -0700 ?? "Jim Lawrence" <accessd at shaw.ca>:
> > > Yes, you can just connect to the image and install easily. 
> > > 
> > >
> > http://www.addictivetips.com/windows-tips/how-to-install-windows-8-on-virtua
> > > lbox/
> > > 
> > > The above link may help.
> > > 
> > > Note: Make sure your processor supports Virtualization Technology and is
> > > enabled. Windows 8 will not work if your processor does not support
> > > Virtualization Technology. (Most computers have the technology but it is
> > not
> > > necessarily started...You can start it from a setting in your BIOS)
> > > 
> > > Jim
> > <<< snip >>>
> > 
> > -- 
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > 
> > 
> > -- 
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> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
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> 
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From mcp2004 at mail.ru  Sun Jun 17 19:04:34 2012
From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=)
Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2012 04:04:34 +0400
Subject: [AccessD] =?utf-8?q?OT=3A_Win8_Preview_is_up=26running_here_on_Or?=
 =?utf-8?q?acle_Virtual_Box_4=2E1=2E16=2E=2E=2E?=
Message-ID: <1339977874.780640688@f53.mail.ru>

Hi Jim and all --

I have got Win8 installed on Oracle Virtual Box 4.1.16:

http://smsconsulting.spb.ru/stest/InstallingWin8_07.jpg

One can use [Ctrl]+Esc to switch to desktop mode, and then use [Windows Key] + E to open Windows Explorer and [Windows Key]+R to open command prompt, or just use [Windows Key] + E to immediately switch to desktop mode and run Windows Explorer...

http://smsconsulting.spb.ru/stest/InstallingWin8_09.jpg

...or create custom shortcuts, or to use [Alt]+TAB to switch between running applications.
Start menu is hidden but its folder is present and can be made visible...

http://smsconsulting.spb.ru/stest/InstallingWin8_10.jpg

And Win8 Preview runs smoothly in Oracle Virtual Box 4.1.16 on my test "mere mortals" 5+ years old DELL 9400 Inspiron laptop...

Recap/my expectation from first Win8 use: Win8 has all the standard Windows system features available (except Start menu) and many more new features/apps (to investigate), and it (Win8) promise to be a success for desktops, tablets and smart-phones...

Thank you.

-- Shamil


From accessd at shaw.ca  Sun Jun 17 21:35:13 2012
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2012 19:35:13 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Win8 Preview is up&running here on Oracle Virtual
	Box 4.1.16...
In-Reply-To: <1339977874.780640688@f53.mail.ru>
References: <1339977874.780640688@f53.mail.ru>
Message-ID: <3CF20E672E624BCC845C6B8A5CC10FEA@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Hi Shamil:

I am pleased to hear you finally achieve an successful install. 

Would your conclusion be that Windows8 is more likely to be successful
installed on computers with older style Intel chips and hardware?

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Salakhetdinov
Shamil
Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2012 5:05 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Win8 Preview is up&running here on Oracle Virtual Box
4.1.16...

Hi Jim and all --

I have got Win8 installed on Oracle Virtual Box 4.1.16:

http://smsconsulting.spb.ru/stest/InstallingWin8_07.jpg

One can use [Ctrl]+Esc to switch to desktop mode, and then use [Windows Key]
+ E to open Windows Explorer and [Windows Key]+R to open command prompt, or
just use [Windows Key] + E to immediately switch to desktop mode and run
Windows Explorer...

http://smsconsulting.spb.ru/stest/InstallingWin8_09.jpg

...or create custom shortcuts, or to use [Alt]+TAB to switch between running
applications.
Start menu is hidden but its folder is present and can be made visible...

http://smsconsulting.spb.ru/stest/InstallingWin8_10.jpg

And Win8 Preview runs smoothly in Oracle Virtual Box 4.1.16 on my test "mere
mortals" 5+ years old DELL 9400 Inspiron laptop...

Recap/my expectation from first Win8 use: Win8 has all the standard Windows
system features available (except Start menu) and many more new
features/apps (to investigate), and it (Win8) promise to be a success for
desktops, tablets and smart-phones...

Thank you.

-- Shamil

-- 
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http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Mon Jun 18 04:28:43 2012
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2012 11:28:43 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Win8 Preview is up&running here on Oracle	Virtual
	Box 4.1.16...
Message-ID: <sfdf1111.070@cactus.dk>

Hi Jim

It runs great (real, no virtual) on my 4? year old Lenovo J205 with AMD Athlon 64 X2 4000+ (2.10GHz) and 6 GB ram. 
The single(!) issue I have is, that I can't wake it up from sleep mode; it is as if the USB connection doesn't read mouse or keyboard activity. So I shut it down, but booting is very fast so it doesn't bother me much.

/gustav


>>> accessd at shaw.ca 18-06-12 4:35 >>>
Hi Shamil:

I am pleased to hear you finally achieve an successful install. 

Would your conclusion be that Windows8 is more likely to be successful
installed on computers with older style Intel chips and hardware?

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Salakhetdinov
Shamil
Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2012 5:05 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Win8 Preview is up&running here on Oracle Virtual Box
4.1.16...

Hi Jim and all --

I have got Win8 installed on Oracle Virtual Box 4.1.16:

http://smsconsulting.spb.ru/stest/InstallingWin8_07.jpg

One can use [Ctrl]+Esc to switch to desktop mode, and then use [Windows Key]
+ E to open Windows Explorer and [Windows Key]+R to open command prompt, or
just use [Windows Key] + E to immediately switch to desktop mode and run
Windows Explorer...

http://smsconsulting.spb.ru/stest/InstallingWin8_09.jpg

...or create custom shortcuts, or to use [Alt]+TAB to switch between running
applications.
Start menu is hidden but its folder is present and can be made visible...

http://smsconsulting.spb.ru/stest/InstallingWin8_10.jpg

And Win8 Preview runs smoothly in Oracle Virtual Box 4.1.16 on my test "mere
mortals" 5+ years old DELL 9400 Inspiron laptop...

Recap/my expectation from first Win8 use: Win8 has all the standard Windows
system features available (except Start menu) and many more new
features/apps (to investigate), and it (Win8) promise to be a success for
desktops, tablets and smart-phones...

Thank you.

-- Shamil


From paulrster at gmail.com  Mon Jun 18 04:26:11 2012
From: paulrster at gmail.com (paul)
Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2012 10:26:11 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Win8 Preview is up&running here on Oracle Virtual
 Box 4.1.16...
In-Reply-To: <3CF20E672E624BCC845C6B8A5CC10FEA@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <1339977874.780640688@f53.mail.ru>
	<3CF20E672E624BCC845C6B8A5CC10FEA@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <CAKoNfVve0dq5Kx+F0oEpoSRQS=Tmj7KsQZfGDP=SVhG9a5V5sw@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks, Shamil, for the advice and the useful tips. I suppose we will
all have to have it, in spite of the bad press.
Cheers
paul
www.eBookTrove.com

On 18 June 2012 03:35, Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:
> Hi Shamil:
>
> I am pleased to hear you finally achieve an successful install.
>
> Would your conclusion be that Windows8 is more likely to be successful
> installed on computers with older style Intel chips and hardware?
>
> Jim
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Salakhetdinov
> Shamil
> Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2012 5:05 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] OT: Win8 Preview is up&running here on Oracle Virtual Box
> 4.1.16...
>
> Hi Jim and all --
>
> I have got Win8 installed on Oracle Virtual Box 4.1.16:
>
> http://smsconsulting.spb.ru/stest/InstallingWin8_07.jpg
>
> One can use [Ctrl]+Esc to switch to desktop mode, and then use [Windows Key]
> + E to open Windows Explorer and [Windows Key]+R to open command prompt, or
> just use [Windows Key] + E to immediately switch to desktop mode and run
> Windows Explorer...
>
> http://smsconsulting.spb.ru/stest/InstallingWin8_09.jpg
>
> ...or create custom shortcuts, or to use [Alt]+TAB to switch between running
> applications.
> Start menu is hidden but its folder is present and can be made visible...
>
> http://smsconsulting.spb.ru/stest/InstallingWin8_10.jpg
>
> And Win8 Preview runs smoothly in Oracle Virtual Box 4.1.16 on my test "mere
> mortals" 5+ years old DELL 9400 Inspiron laptop...
>
> Recap/my expectation from first Win8 use: Win8 has all the standard Windows
> system features available (except Start menu) and many more new
> features/apps (to investigate), and it (Win8) promise to be a success for
> desktops, tablets and smart-phones...
>
> Thank you.
>
> -- Shamil
>
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com

From mcp2004 at mail.ru  Mon Jun 18 04:28:22 2012
From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=)
Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2012 13:28:22 +0400
Subject: [AccessD]
 =?utf-8?q?OT=3A_Win8_Preview_is_up=26running_here_on_Or?=
 =?utf-8?q?acle_Virtual_Box_4=2E1=2E16=2E=2E=2E?=
In-Reply-To: <3CF20E672E624BCC845C6B8A5CC10FEA@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <1339977874.780640688@f53.mail.ru>
	<3CF20E672E624BCC845C6B8A5CC10FEA@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <1340011702.638319544@f95.mail.ru>

Hi Jim --

Thank you for your being pleased to hear that I finally achieved a successful install of Windows 8 Preview.  :)

I have no clear idea will Win8 get successfully installed on computer with older style chips and hardware: the issue/cause, which didn't let me to proceed with successful setup AFAIU, was that I used dynamic virtual disk or fixed disk but of smaller than 17GB size (after setup Win8 occupies about 10GB). AFAIS Win8 is an "MS Windows system with two desktops - Win7 (without [Start] button) and Win8 (WinRT)". It should probably run well on all boxes, which currently successfully run Win7 (/Windows Vista) (Please see: http://windows.about.com/od/windowsosversions/a/Windows-8-Installation-Frequently-Asked-Questions.htm and http://www.techstudy.net/2012/05/minimum-system-requirements-for-windows.html)...

And Oracle Virtual Box 4.1.16 runs Win8 in less than 100MB here with IE with two tabs opened...

BTW, you can "Pin to start" any ordinary Windows applications' executables and when you run them from WinRT desktop then they switch to "classic Win7 desktop" and run as usual...

I do not see any reasons to rant on Win8 new "look & feel" - I like it, I could be missing something but I'd expect most WinXP/Vista/Win7 users will like it too - and it should run smoothly on tablets: as I noted I have WinPhone 7, it runs smoothly, and Win8 has even better "touch & watch" UI (http://www.gizbot.com/news/gestures-dominate-windows-8-tablet-ui)...

Thank you.

-- Shamil

Sun, 17 Jun 2012 19:35:13 -0700 ?? "Jim Lawrence" <accessd at shaw.ca>:
> Hi Shamil:
> 
> I am pleased to hear you finally achieve an successful install. 
> 
> Would your conclusion be that Windows8 is more likely to be successful
> installed on computers with older style Intel chips and hardware?
> 
> Jim
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Salakhetdinov
> Shamil
> Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2012 5:05 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] OT: Win8 Preview is up&running here on Oracle Virtual Box
> 4.1.16...
> 
> Hi Jim and all --
> 
> I have got Win8 installed on Oracle Virtual Box 4.1.16:
> 
> http://smsconsulting.spb.ru/stest/InstallingWin8_07.jpg
> 
> One can use [Ctrl]+Esc to switch to desktop mode, and then use [Windows Key]
> + E to open Windows Explorer and [Windows Key]+R to open command prompt, or
> just use [Windows Key] + E to immediately switch to desktop mode and run
> Windows Explorer...
> 
> http://smsconsulting.spb.ru/stest/InstallingWin8_09.jpg
> 
> ...or create custom shortcuts, or to use [Alt]+TAB to switch between running
> applications.
> Start menu is hidden but its folder is present and can be made visible...
> 
> http://smsconsulting.spb.ru/stest/InstallingWin8_10.jpg
> 
> And Win8 Preview runs smoothly in Oracle Virtual Box 4.1.16 on my test "mere
> mortals" 5+ years old DELL 9400 Inspiron laptop...
> 
> Recap/my expectation from first Win8 use: Win8 has all the standard Windows
> system features available (except Start menu) and many more new
> features/apps (to investigate), and it (Win8) promise to be a success for
> desktops, tablets and smart-phones...
> 
> Thank you.
> 
> -- Shamil
> 
> -- 
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 
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> 


From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Jun 18 08:52:39 2012
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2012 09:52:39 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] How to troubleshoot a blue screen
In-Reply-To: <4FDC9DE0.1090306@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4FDC9DE0.1090306@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <4FDF32A7.3080707@colbyconsulting.com>

Well, I got a blue screen today and when I went downstairs to look at the server, an SSD had failed. 
  I could not even detect it nor get past the bios where it was trying to detect SATA ports.  This 
box is stuffed with drives so I started with the SSDs (the most likely culprit) disconnecting all 4 
(I could now boot) and then one at a time until I found the one drive.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it


On 6/16/2012 10:53 AM, jwcolby wrote:
> My SQL Server blue screens about once a month or so.  It does not appear to be heat related, or at
> least CPU heat related as I have top flight HSFs which hold the temps below 35 C.  The temps in the
> case stay around that temperature or below.  The blue screens appear to be SQL Server related, as
> they seem to be triggered by my doing something in SSMS.  This last time I started an update query
> and it immediately blue screened, by which I mean I clicked start (the query) and the blue screen
> occurred.
>
> This is an AMD dual cpu server, both CPUs populated.  32 gigs ECC RAM on each side.  Being a server
> there is no overclocking.  There is a lot going on hardware wise however.  I use an Areca 16 port
> RAID controller, RAID 6 arrays built from 1 tb WD black drives.  I am using SSDs to create a Raid1
> array hosting several of my Read Mostly databases.  The specific update that caused the blue screen
> was not on SSD however, it was on the Areca rotating media raid 6.
>
> I am at a loss on how to troubleshoot.  It "feels" like it must be a memory problem, and yet the
> memory is ECC.  Perhaps I have a bad DIMM which just flakes out.
>



From garykjos at gmail.com  Mon Jun 18 11:29:19 2012
From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos)
Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2012 11:29:19 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] How to troubleshoot a blue screen
In-Reply-To: <4FDF32A7.3080707@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4FDC9DE0.1090306@colbyconsulting.com>
	<4FDF32A7.3080707@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <CAJ2R_pLTW8tN375BQr8xCrrNHOw5z1r+1kQoCS0tPNAzUGbhgw@mail.gmail.com>

Interesting that the Raid wouldn't have reacted to that failure better
than that. I'm not up on my Raid levels but 1 includes mirroring isn't
it?

GK

On Mon, Jun 18, 2012 at 8:52 AM, jwcolby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
> Well, I got a blue screen today and when I went downstairs to look at the
> server, an SSD had failed. ?I could not even detect it nor get past the bios
> where it was trying to detect SATA ports. ?This box is stuffed with drives
> so I started with the SSDs (the most likely culprit) disconnecting all 4 (I
> could now boot) and then one at a time until I found the one drive.
>
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
>
> Reality is what refuses to go away
> when you do not believe in it
>
>
> On 6/16/2012 10:53 AM, jwcolby wrote:
>>
>> My SQL Server blue screens about once a month or so. ?It does not appear
>> to be heat related, or at
>> least CPU heat related as I have top flight HSFs which hold the temps
>> below 35 C. ?The temps in the
>> case stay around that temperature or below. ?The blue screens appear to be
>> SQL Server related, as
>> they seem to be triggered by my doing something in SSMS. ?This last time I
>> started an update query
>> and it immediately blue screened, by which I mean I clicked start (the
>> query) and the blue screen
>> occurred.
>>
>> This is an AMD dual cpu server, both CPUs populated. ?32 gigs ECC RAM on
>> each side. ?Being a server
>> there is no overclocking. ?There is a lot going on hardware wise however.
>> ?I use an Areca 16 port
>> RAID controller, RAID 6 arrays built from 1 tb WD black drives. ?I am
>> using SSDs to create a Raid1
>> array hosting several of my Read Mostly databases. ?The specific update
>> that caused the blue screen
>> was not on SSD however, it was on the Areca rotating media raid 6.
>>
>> I am at a loss on how to troubleshoot. ?It "feels" like it must be a
>> memory problem, and yet the
>> memory is ECC. ?Perhaps I have a bad DIMM which just flakes out.
>>
>
>
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Mon Jun 18 11:35:05 2012
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2012 09:35:05 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Win8 Preview is up&running here on
	Oracle	VirtualBox 4.1.16...
In-Reply-To: <sfdf1111.070@cactus.dk>
References: <sfdf1111.070@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <FC82277BF45340F287FF90D3DA7380F5@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Hi Gustav:

Unfortunately, even though my house has about 10 computers, they are all
being used...virtualization will have to suffice.

With Windows8 having various issues with an array of hardware maybe
Microsoft could help with providing a list of accepted equipment. This all
takes me back to early Windows 3.xx when I had a 300 page book from which to
check for known and potential hardware compatibility issues.

Microsoft does have a checker for whether hardware virtualization is turned
on or not but even that software only supports a limited list of operating
systems on which the product can run. 

What is needed is a piece of software, preferable self-booting from a DVD,
CD, NIC, external HD or flash card, which is capable of scanning, the large
number systems out there to find out which products are fully, partial and
not supported at all, by Win8. 

No one, especially businesses are going to be interested in software which
until they attempt an install, will they know whether there are going to be
compatibility issues.   
 
Jim 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Monday, June 18, 2012 2:29 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Win8 Preview is up&running here on Oracle
VirtualBox 4.1.16...

Hi Jim

It runs great (real, no virtual) on my 4? year old Lenovo J205 with AMD
Athlon 64 X2 4000+ (2.10GHz) and 6 GB ram. 
The single(!) issue I have is, that I can't wake it up from sleep mode; it
is as if the USB connection doesn't read mouse or keyboard activity. So I
shut it down, but booting is very fast so it doesn't bother me much.

/gustav


>>> accessd at shaw.ca 18-06-12 4:35 >>>
Hi Shamil:

I am pleased to hear you finally achieve an successful install. 

Would your conclusion be that Windows8 is more likely to be successful
installed on computers with older style Intel chips and hardware?

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Salakhetdinov
Shamil
Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2012 5:05 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Win8 Preview is up&running here on Oracle Virtual Box
4.1.16...

Hi Jim and all --

I have got Win8 installed on Oracle Virtual Box 4.1.16:

http://smsconsulting.spb.ru/stest/InstallingWin8_07.jpg

One can use [Ctrl]+Esc to switch to desktop mode, and then use [Windows Key]
+ E to open Windows Explorer and [Windows Key]+R to open command prompt, or
just use [Windows Key] + E to immediately switch to desktop mode and run
Windows Explorer...

http://smsconsulting.spb.ru/stest/InstallingWin8_09.jpg

...or create custom shortcuts, or to use [Alt]+TAB to switch between running
applications.
Start menu is hidden but its folder is present and can be made visible...

http://smsconsulting.spb.ru/stest/InstallingWin8_10.jpg

And Win8 Preview runs smoothly in Oracle Virtual Box 4.1.16 on my test "mere
mortals" 5+ years old DELL 9400 Inspiron laptop...

Recap/my expectation from first Win8 use: Win8 has all the standard Windows
system features available (except Start menu) and many more new
features/apps (to investigate), and it (Win8) promise to be a success for
desktops, tablets and smart-phones...

Thank you.

-- Shamil

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From accessd at shaw.ca  Mon Jun 18 11:40:26 2012
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2012 09:40:26 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] How to troubleshoot a blue screen
In-Reply-To: <4FDF32A7.3080707@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4FDC9DE0.1090306@colbyconsulting.com>
	<4FDF32A7.3080707@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <9B98CE183D424418B37EFF64B89FC5B3@creativesystemdesigns.com>

That's good news John. 

I tend to prefer hard down equipment to flaky equipment as problems are
easier to resolve. Will the problems cost much to fix and can everything run
in the interim?

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Monday, June 18, 2012 6:53 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] How to troubleshoot a blue screen

Well, I got a blue screen today and when I went downstairs to look at the
server, an SSD had failed. 
  I could not even detect it nor get past the bios where it was trying to
detect SATA ports.  This 
box is stuffed with drives so I started with the SSDs (the most likely
culprit) disconnecting all 4 
(I could now boot) and then one at a time until I found the one drive.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it


On 6/16/2012 10:53 AM, jwcolby wrote:
> My SQL Server blue screens about once a month or so.  It does not appear
to be heat related, or at
> least CPU heat related as I have top flight HSFs which hold the temps
below 35 C.  The temps in the
> case stay around that temperature or below.  The blue screens appear to be
SQL Server related, as
> they seem to be triggered by my doing something in SSMS.  This last time I
started an update query
> and it immediately blue screened, by which I mean I clicked start (the
query) and the blue screen
> occurred.
>
> This is an AMD dual cpu server, both CPUs populated.  32 gigs ECC RAM on
each side.  Being a server
> there is no overclocking.  There is a lot going on hardware wise however.
I use an Areca 16 port
> RAID controller, RAID 6 arrays built from 1 tb WD black drives.  I am
using SSDs to create a Raid1
> array hosting several of my Read Mostly databases.  The specific update
that caused the blue screen
> was not on SSD however, it was on the Areca rotating media raid 6.
>
> I am at a loss on how to troubleshoot.  It "feels" like it must be a
memory problem, and yet the
> memory is ECC.  Perhaps I have a bad DIMM which just flakes out.
>


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From accessd at shaw.ca  Mon Jun 18 11:44:44 2012
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2012 09:44:44 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Win8 Preview is up&running here on Oracle Virtual
	Box 4.1.16...
In-Reply-To: <1340011702.638319544@f95.mail.ru>
References: <1339977874.780640688@f53.mail.ru><3CF20E672E624BCC845C6B8A5CC10FEA@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<1340011702.638319544@f95.mail.ru>
Message-ID: <FCDA8938644446B18AC0F96E3C2F701A@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Hi Shamil:

Thanks for the information. I will read all of it over carefully before
attempting another virtual install as it appears that getting a good post is
not guaranteed. 

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Salakhetdinov
Shamil
Sent: Monday, June 18, 2012 2:28 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Win8 Preview is up&running here on Oracle Virtual
Box 4.1.16...

Hi Jim --

Thank you for your being pleased to hear that I finally achieved a
successful install of Windows 8 Preview.  :)

I have no clear idea will Win8 get successfully installed on computer with
older style chips and hardware: the issue/cause, which didn't let me to
proceed with successful setup AFAIU, was that I used dynamic virtual disk or
fixed disk but of smaller than 17GB size (after setup Win8 occupies about
10GB). AFAIS Win8 is an "MS Windows system with two desktops - Win7 (without
[Start] button) and Win8 (WinRT)". It should probably run well on all boxes,
which currently successfully run Win7 (/Windows Vista) (Please see:
http://windows.about.com/od/windowsosversions/a/Windows-8-Installation-Frequ
ently-Asked-Questions.htm and
http://www.techstudy.net/2012/05/minimum-system-requirements-for-windows.htm
l)...

And Oracle Virtual Box 4.1.16 runs Win8 in less than 100MB here with IE with
two tabs opened...

BTW, you can "Pin to start" any ordinary Windows applications' executables
and when you run them from WinRT desktop then they switch to "classic Win7
desktop" and run as usual...

I do not see any reasons to rant on Win8 new "look & feel" - I like it, I
could be missing something but I'd expect most WinXP/Vista/Win7 users will
like it too - and it should run smoothly on tablets: as I noted I have
WinPhone 7, it runs smoothly, and Win8 has even better "touch & watch" UI
(http://www.gizbot.com/news/gestures-dominate-windows-8-tablet-ui)...

Thank you.

-- Shamil

Sun, 17 Jun 2012 19:35:13 -0700 ?? "Jim Lawrence" <accessd at shaw.ca>:
> Hi Shamil:
> 
> I am pleased to hear you finally achieve an successful install. 
> 
> Would your conclusion be that Windows8 is more likely to be successful
> installed on computers with older style Intel chips and hardware?
> 
> Jim
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Salakhetdinov
> Shamil
> Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2012 5:05 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] OT: Win8 Preview is up&running here on Oracle Virtual
Box
> 4.1.16...
> 
> Hi Jim and all --
> 
> I have got Win8 installed on Oracle Virtual Box 4.1.16:
> 
> http://smsconsulting.spb.ru/stest/InstallingWin8_07.jpg
> 
> One can use [Ctrl]+Esc to switch to desktop mode, and then use [Windows
Key]
> + E to open Windows Explorer and [Windows Key]+R to open command prompt,
or
> just use [Windows Key] + E to immediately switch to desktop mode and run
> Windows Explorer...
> 
> http://smsconsulting.spb.ru/stest/InstallingWin8_09.jpg
> 
> ...or create custom shortcuts, or to use [Alt]+TAB to switch between
running
> applications.
> Start menu is hidden but its folder is present and can be made visible...
> 
> http://smsconsulting.spb.ru/stest/InstallingWin8_10.jpg
> 
> And Win8 Preview runs smoothly in Oracle Virtual Box 4.1.16 on my test
"mere
> mortals" 5+ years old DELL 9400 Inspiron laptop...
> 
> Recap/my expectation from first Win8 use: Win8 has all the standard
Windows
> system features available (except Start menu) and many more new
> features/apps (to investigate), and it (Win8) promise to be a success for
> desktops, tablets and smart-phones...
> 
> Thank you.
> 
> -- Shamil
> 
> -- 
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 
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From mcp2004 at mail.ru  Mon Jun 18 12:10:03 2012
From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=)
Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2012 21:10:03 +0400
Subject: [AccessD]
 =?utf-8?q?OT=3A_Win8_Preview_is_up=26running_here_on_Or?=
 =?utf-8?q?acle_Virtual_Box_4=2E1=2E16=2E=2E=2E?=
In-Reply-To: <FCDA8938644446B18AC0F96E3C2F701A@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <1339977874.780640688@f53.mail.ru><3CF20E672E624BCC845C6B8A5CC10FEA@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<1340011702.638319544@f95.mail.ru>
	<FCDA8938644446B18AC0F96E3C2F701A@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <1340039403.907121008@f125.mail.ru>

Hi Jim --

I wish your virtual install went smoothly, good luck!

Thank you.

-- Shamil


Mon, 18 Jun 2012 09:44:44 -0700 ?? "Jim Lawrence" <accessd at shaw.ca>:
> Hi Shamil:
> 
> Thanks for the information. I will read all of it over carefully before
> attempting another virtual install as it appears that getting a good post is
> not guaranteed. 
> 
> Jim
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Salakhetdinov
> Shamil
> Sent: Monday, June 18, 2012 2:28 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Win8 Preview is up&running here on Oracle Virtual
> Box 4.1.16...
> 
> Hi Jim --
> 
> Thank you for your being pleased to hear that I finally achieved a
> successful install of Windows 8 Preview.  :)
> 
> I have no clear idea will Win8 get successfully installed on computer with
> older style chips and hardware: the issue/cause, which didn't let me to
> proceed with successful setup AFAIU, was that I used dynamic virtual disk or
> fixed disk but of smaller than 17GB size (after setup Win8 occupies about
> 10GB). AFAIS Win8 is an "MS Windows system with two desktops - Win7 (without
> [Start] button) and Win8 (WinRT)". It should probably run well on all boxes,
> which currently successfully run Win7 (/Windows Vista) (Please see:
> http://windows.about.com/od/windowsosversions/a/Windows-8-Installation-Frequ
> ently-Asked-Questions.htm and
> http://www.techstudy.net/2012/05/minimum-system-requirements-for-windows.htm
> l)...
> 
> And Oracle Virtual Box 4.1.16 runs Win8 in less than 100MB here with IE with
> two tabs opened...
> 
> BTW, you can "Pin to start" any ordinary Windows applications' executables
> and when you run them from WinRT desktop then they switch to "classic Win7
> desktop" and run as usual...
> 
> I do not see any reasons to rant on Win8 new "look & feel" - I like it, I
> could be missing something but I'd expect most WinXP/Vista/Win7 users will
> like it too - and it should run smoothly on tablets: as I noted I have
> WinPhone 7, it runs smoothly, and Win8 has even better "touch & watch" UI
> (http://www.gizbot.com/news/gestures-dominate-windows-8-tablet-ui)...
> 
> Thank you.
> 
> -- Shamil
> 
> Sun, 17 Jun 2012 19:35:13 -0700 ?? "Jim Lawrence" <accessd at shaw.ca>:
> > Hi Shamil:
> > 
> > I am pleased to hear you finally achieve an successful install. 
> > 
> > Would your conclusion be that Windows8 is more likely to be successful
> > installed on computers with older style Intel chips and hardware?
> > 
> > Jim
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Salakhetdinov
> > Shamil
> > Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2012 5:05 PM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: [AccessD] OT: Win8 Preview is up&running here on Oracle Virtual
> Box
> > 4.1.16...
> > 
> > Hi Jim and all --
> > 
> > I have got Win8 installed on Oracle Virtual Box 4.1.16:
> > 
> > http://smsconsulting.spb.ru/stest/InstallingWin8_07.jpg
> > 
> > One can use [Ctrl]+Esc to switch to desktop mode, and then use [Windows
> Key]
> > + E to open Windows Explorer and [Windows Key]+R to open command prompt,
> or
> > just use [Windows Key] + E to immediately switch to desktop mode and run
> > Windows Explorer...
> > 
> > http://smsconsulting.spb.ru/stest/InstallingWin8_09.jpg
> > 
> > ...or create custom shortcuts, or to use [Alt]+TAB to switch between
> running
> > applications.
> > Start menu is hidden but its folder is present and can be made visible...
> > 
> > http://smsconsulting.spb.ru/stest/InstallingWin8_10.jpg
> > 
> > And Win8 Preview runs smoothly in Oracle Virtual Box 4.1.16 on my test
> "mere
> > mortals" 5+ years old DELL 9400 Inspiron laptop...
> > 
> > Recap/my expectation from first Win8 use: Win8 has all the standard
> Windows
> > system features available (except Start menu) and many more new
> > features/apps (to investigate), and it (Win8) promise to be a success for
> > desktops, tablets and smart-phones...
> > 
> > Thank you.
> > 
> > -- Shamil
> > 
> > -- 
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > 
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Jun 18 13:38:10 2012
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2012 14:38:10 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] How to troubleshoot a blue screen
In-Reply-To: <9B98CE183D424418B37EFF64B89FC5B3@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <4FDC9DE0.1090306@colbyconsulting.com>
	<4FDF32A7.3080707@colbyconsulting.com>
	<9B98CE183D424418B37EFF64B89FC5B3@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <4FDF7592.3040200@colbyconsulting.com>

Jim,

 > I tend to prefer hard down equipment to flaky equipment as problems are easier to resolve.

Yes it is good.  This drive was one of 4 in a "software" Raid 0 array on a low end controller.  It 
is interesting to me that the drive flaking out did not cause the controller to degrade gracefully, 
i.e. notify me of a drive failing.  However given that it is Raid 0 ...  This is my only experience 
with Raid 0 so I haven't a clue what would happen on a high end controller.

However it was feeding data to SQL Server, i.e. the SSD had "read mostly" databases on it.

In any event, yes, I had backups and just have to do restores of the databases that were out on that 
array.  I am already mostly back up and running.  I have a single database I had just finished 
merging (last night) which was not backed up (in the merged state) so I have to re-merge that 
database.  Little stuff like that.

 >Will the problems cost much to fix and can everything run in the interim?

None of the missing DBs runs until the backups are restored.  6 of 8 are restored, though of course 
to my raid 6 rotating media database location, not to the SSD Array which is down until further notice.

I really need to somehow do an analysis of whether the SSD helps much.  I started with SSDs back 
when I had 32 gigs of very expensive main memory.  I now have 64 gigs and will probably max out the 
machine (128g) next month.  With all of that memory, and with my databases all compressed, is the 
SSD still critical to my operation?

The SSDs I bought 2 years ago were 2nd generation consumer grade - 120 gb SATA 3g 40K ops/sec.  3rd 
generation have arrived - Sata6G 90k Ops / sec. along with controllers to match.  I have added two 
new databases to the mix, each of which contain more records than all of my previous databases put 
together.  I may not be able to get it all in memory any more.

Decisions, decisions.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it


On 6/18/2012 12:40 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote:
> That's good news John.
>
> I tend to prefer hard down equipment to flaky equipment as problems are
> easier to resolve. Will the problems cost much to fix and can everything run
> in the interim?
>
> Jim
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
> Sent: Monday, June 18, 2012 6:53 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] How to troubleshoot a blue screen
>
> Well, I got a blue screen today and when I went downstairs to look at the
> server, an SSD had failed.
>    I could not even detect it nor get past the bios where it was trying to
> detect SATA ports.  This
> box is stuffed with drives so I started with the SSDs (the most likely
> culprit) disconnecting all 4
> (I could now boot) and then one at a time until I found the one drive.
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
>
> Reality is what refuses to go away
> when you do not believe in it


From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Jun 18 16:05:37 2012
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2012 17:05:37 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Haylp!
Message-ID: <4FDF9821.6040503@colbyconsulting.com>

That's southern.

I have an Areca 1220 controller which works fine.  I have arrays configured and all is well. 
ARCHTTP GUI is supposed to launch the default browser and look at 127.0.0.1:81 for the controller. 
This worked.  I could monitor and manage my raid through the browser page.  I hate managing through 
browsers but hey, it worked.  It appears that the controller is a web server which serves up this 
management software.

I downloaded the latest version of ARCHTTP.exe from Areca and suddenly the application does not find 
the controller any more.  Going straight to 127.0.0.1:81 in Firefox gives me

Unable to connect
Firefox can't establish a connection to the server at 127.0.0.1:81

This is really bad news since I can no longer manage the raid from the (sucky but servicable) 
browser based stuff.

Does anyone have a clue what the problem might be?  It seems that the more modern version of the gui 
exe did something to cause the raid controller web server to cease functioning?

I am digging out my CD for the original software to see if that exe will "see" the controller".

-- 
John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it



From Lambert.Heenan at chartisinsurance.com  Tue Jun 19 07:47:49 2012
From: Lambert.Heenan at chartisinsurance.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2012 08:47:49 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Haylp!
In-Reply-To: <4FDF9821.6040503@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4FDF9821.6040503@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <F5B2E2ECEE84F142883A2E6DCA867F98508C9276@LIVP3MMBX10.mail.aig.net>

?? http://forums.adobe.com/message/3840720 ??
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Monday, June 18, 2012 5:06 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Haylp!

That's southern.

I have an Areca 1220 controller which works fine.  I have arrays configured and all is well. 
ARCHTTP GUI is supposed to launch the default browser and look at 127.0.0.1:81 for the controller. 
This worked.  I could monitor and manage my raid through the browser page.  I hate managing through browsers but hey, it worked.  It appears that the controller is a web server which serves up this management software.

I downloaded the latest version of ARCHTTP.exe from Areca and suddenly the application does not find the controller any more.  Going straight to 127.0.0.1:81 in Firefox gives me

Unable to connect
Firefox can't establish a connection to the server at 127.0.0.1:81

This is really bad news since I can no longer manage the raid from the (sucky but servicable) browser based stuff.

Does anyone have a clue what the problem might be?  It seems that the more modern version of the gui exe did something to cause the raid controller web server to cease functioning?

I am digging out my CD for the original software to see if that exe will "see" the controller".

--
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Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it


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From Benson at ge.com  Tue Jun 19 11:21:46 2012
From: Benson at ge.com (Benson, William (GE Global Research, consultant))
Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2012 16:21:46 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Haylp!
In-Reply-To: <F5B2E2ECEE84F142883A2E6DCA867F98508C9276@LIVP3MMBX10.mail.aig.net>
References: <4FDF9821.6040503@colbyconsulting.com>
	<F5B2E2ECEE84F142883A2E6DCA867F98508C9276@LIVP3MMBX10.mail.aig.net>
Message-ID: <93D10F008B998B4A83BCA855A33EEF372C801018@CINMBCNA01.e2k.ad.ge.com>

Am I misfortunate or just lucky that I understand none of this thread, though I have read it all including link posted!

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan, Lambert
Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2012 8:48 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Haylp!

?? http://forums.adobe.com/message/3840720 ??
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Monday, June 18, 2012 5:06 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Haylp!

That's southern.

I have an Areca 1220 controller which works fine.  I have arrays configured and all is well. 
ARCHTTP GUI is supposed to launch the default browser and look at 127.0.0.1:81 for the controller. 
This worked.  I could monitor and manage my raid through the browser page.  I hate managing through browsers but hey, it worked.  It appears that the controller is a web server which serves up this management software.

I downloaded the latest version of ARCHTTP.exe from Areca and suddenly the application does not find the controller any more.  Going straight to 127.0.0.1:81 in Firefox gives me

Unable to connect
Firefox can't establish a connection to the server at 127.0.0.1:81

This is really bad news since I can no longer manage the raid from the (sucky but servicable) browser based stuff.

Does anyone have a clue what the problem might be?  It seems that the more modern version of the gui exe did something to cause the raid controller web server to cease functioning?

I am digging out my CD for the original software to see if that exe will "see" the controller".

--
John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it


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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue Jun 19 11:53:14 2012
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2012 12:53:14 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Haylp!
In-Reply-To: <F5B2E2ECEE84F142883A2E6DCA867F98508C9276@LIVP3MMBX10.mail.aig.net>
References: <4FDF9821.6040503@colbyconsulting.com>
	<F5B2E2ECEE84F142883A2E6DCA867F98508C9276@LIVP3MMBX10.mail.aig.net>
Message-ID: <4FE0AE7A.60608@colbyconsulting.com>

I actually found this thread.  One of the things that they discuss requires that the software 
actually find a controller.  Mine is not.

I think I will be talking to their tech support.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it


On 6/19/2012 8:47 AM, Heenan, Lambert wrote:
> ?? http://forums.adobe.com/message/3840720 ??
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
> Sent: Monday, June 18, 2012 5:06 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] Haylp!
>
> That's southern.
>
> I have an Areca 1220 controller which works fine.  I have arrays configured and all is well.
> ARCHTTP GUI is supposed to launch the default browser and look at 127.0.0.1:81 for the controller.
> This worked.  I could monitor and manage my raid through the browser page.  I hate managing through browsers but hey, it worked.  It appears that the controller is a web server which serves up this management software.
>
> I downloaded the latest version of ARCHTTP.exe from Areca and suddenly the application does not find the controller any more.  Going straight to 127.0.0.1:81 in Firefox gives me
>
> Unable to connect
> Firefox can't establish a connection to the server at 127.0.0.1:81
>
> This is really bad news since I can no longer manage the raid from the (sucky but servicable) browser based stuff.
>
> Does anyone have a clue what the problem might be?  It seems that the more modern version of the gui exe did something to cause the raid controller web server to cease functioning?
>
> I am digging out my CD for the original software to see if that exe will "see" the controller".
>
> --
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
>
> Reality is what refuses to go away
> when you do not believe in it
>
>
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue Jun 19 13:54:50 2012
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2012 14:54:50 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Re:  How to troubleshoot a blue screen
In-Reply-To: <4FDF7592.3040200@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4FDC9DE0.1090306@colbyconsulting.com>
	<4FDF32A7.3080707@colbyconsulting.com>
	<9B98CE183D424418B37EFF64B89FC5B3@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<4FDF7592.3040200@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <4FE0CAFA.6020202@colbyconsulting.com>

Well it seems it was not the SSD after all.  I had another blue screen this AM.  I discovered that I 
am booting off of an SSD as well.  I fixed up a thumb drive that runs Linux that allows doing an 
offline migration of one drive to another so I cloned the boot disk (Vertex SSD) to a hard disk and 
rebooted into that hard disk and disconnected the Vertex SSD from the motherboard.

We shall see whether that was the problem.  Whatever is happening, I am now getting a boot time hang 
in the bios as it tries to access SATA port 3.  Is it SATA port 3 or something else?  Only time will 
tell.

I am back at work trying to use my SQL Server.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it


On 6/18/2012 2:38 PM, jwcolby wrote:
> Jim,
>
>  > I tend to prefer hard down equipment to flaky equipment as problems are easier to resolve.
>
> Yes it is good.  This drive was one of 4 in a "software" Raid 0 array on a low end controller.  It
> is interesting to me that the drive flaking out did not cause the controller to degrade gracefully,
> i.e. notify me of a drive failing.  However given that it is Raid 0 ...  This is my only experience
> with Raid 0 so I haven't a clue what would happen on a high end controller.
>
> However it was feeding data to SQL Server, i.e. the SSD had "read mostly" databases on it.
>
> In any event, yes, I had backups and just have to do restores of the databases that were out on that
> array.  I am already mostly back up and running.  I have a single database I had just finished
> merging (last night) which was not backed up (in the merged state) so I have to re-merge that
> database.  Little stuff like that.
>
>  >Will the problems cost much to fix and can everything run in the interim?
>
> None of the missing DBs runs until the backups are restored.  6 of 8 are restored, though of course
> to my raid 6 rotating media database location, not to the SSD Array which is down until further notice.
>
> I really need to somehow do an analysis of whether the SSD helps much.  I started with SSDs back
> when I had 32 gigs of very expensive main memory.  I now have 64 gigs and will probably max out the
> machine (128g) next month.  With all of that memory, and with my databases all compressed, is the
> SSD still critical to my operation?
>
> The SSDs I bought 2 years ago were 2nd generation consumer grade - 120 gb SATA 3g 40K ops/sec.  3rd
> generation have arrived - Sata6G 90k Ops / sec. along with controllers to match.  I have added two
> new databases to the mix, each of which contain more records than all of my previous databases put
> together.  I may not be able to get it all in memory any more.
>
> Decisions, decisions.
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
>
> Reality is what refuses to go away
> when you do not believe in it
>
>
> On 6/18/2012 12:40 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote:
>> That's good news John.
>>
>> I tend to prefer hard down equipment to flaky equipment as problems are
>> easier to resolve. Will the problems cost much to fix and can everything run
>> in the interim?
>>
>> Jim
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
>> Sent: Monday, June 18, 2012 6:53 AM
>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] How to troubleshoot a blue screen
>>
>> Well, I got a blue screen today and when I went downstairs to look at the
>> server, an SSD had failed.
>>    I could not even detect it nor get past the bios where it was trying to
>> detect SATA ports.  This
>> box is stuffed with drives so I started with the SSDs (the most likely
>> culprit) disconnecting all 4
>> (I could now boot) and then one at a time until I found the one drive.
>>
>> John W. Colby
>> Colby Consulting
>>
>> Reality is what refuses to go away
>> when you do not believe in it
>



From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue Jun 19 13:38:53 2012
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2012 14:38:53 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Re:  Haylp!
In-Reply-To: <93D10F008B998B4A83BCA855A33EEF372C801018@CINMBCNA01.e2k.ad.ge.com>
References: <4FDF9821.6040503@colbyconsulting.com>
	<F5B2E2ECEE84F142883A2E6DCA867F98508C9276@LIVP3MMBX10.mail.aig.net>
	<93D10F008B998B4A83BCA855A33EEF372C801018@CINMBCNA01.e2k.ad.ge.com>
Message-ID: <4FE0C73D.3050101@colbyconsulting.com>

Lucky I suppose.  This is OT for AccessD, I forgot to put that in my subject line.  I have 3 Areca 
controllers circa 2006 or so which work beautifully.  They provide an application to find and hook 
the controller to a browser somehow so that I can manage my arrays from inside of Windows.  That 
stuff no longer works.  Now I can only manage my arrays from the bios as it boots which is ... 
clumsy at best.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it


On 6/19/2012 12:21 PM, Benson, William (GE Global Research, consultant) wrote:
> Am I misfortunate or just lucky that I understand none of this thread, though I have read it all including link posted!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan, Lambert
> Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2012 8:48 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Haylp!
>
> ?? http://forums.adobe.com/message/3840720 ??
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
> Sent: Monday, June 18, 2012 5:06 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] Haylp!
>
> That's southern.
>
> I have an Areca 1220 controller which works fine.  I have arrays configured and all is well.
> ARCHTTP GUI is supposed to launch the default browser and look at 127.0.0.1:81 for the controller.
> This worked.  I could monitor and manage my raid through the browser page.  I hate managing through browsers but hey, it worked.  It appears that the controller is a web server which serves up this management software.
>
> I downloaded the latest version of ARCHTTP.exe from Areca and suddenly the application does not find the controller any more.  Going straight to 127.0.0.1:81 in Firefox gives me
>
> Unable to connect
> Firefox can't establish a connection to the server at 127.0.0.1:81
>
> This is really bad news since I can no longer manage the raid from the (sucky but servicable) browser based stuff.
>
> Does anyone have a clue what the problem might be?  It seems that the more modern version of the gui exe did something to cause the raid controller web server to cease functioning?
>
> I am digging out my CD for the original software to see if that exe will "see" the controller".
>
> --
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
>
> Reality is what refuses to go away
> when you do not believe in it
>
>
> --
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From Benson at ge.com  Tue Jun 19 16:21:45 2012
From: Benson at ge.com (Benson, William (GE Global Research, consultant))
Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2012 21:21:45 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Re:  Haylp!
In-Reply-To: <4FE0C73D.3050101@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4FDF9821.6040503@colbyconsulting.com>
	<F5B2E2ECEE84F142883A2E6DCA867F98508C9276@LIVP3MMBX10.mail.aig.net>
	<93D10F008B998B4A83BCA855A33EEF372C801018@CINMBCNA01.e2k.ad.ge.com>
	<4FE0C73D.3050101@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <93D10F008B998B4A83BCA855A33EEF372C801249@CINMBCNA01.e2k.ad.ge.com>

If clumsy in boots, gotta be heck in high heels. That's all I know about this topic... but thanks for answering!

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2012 2:39 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Re: Haylp!

Lucky I suppose.  This is OT for AccessD, I forgot to put that in my subject line.  I have 3 Areca controllers circa 2006 or so which work beautifully.  They provide an application to find and hook the controller to a browser somehow so that I can manage my arrays from inside of Windows.  That stuff no longer works.  Now I can only manage my arrays from the bios as it boots which is ... 
clumsy at best.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it


On 6/19/2012 12:21 PM, Benson, William (GE Global Research, consultant) wrote:
> Am I misfortunate or just lucky that I understand none of this thread, though I have read it all including link posted!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan, 
> Lambert
> Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2012 8:48 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Haylp!
>
> ?? http://forums.adobe.com/message/3840720 ??
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
> Sent: Monday, June 18, 2012 5:06 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] Haylp!
>
> That's southern.
>
> I have an Areca 1220 controller which works fine.  I have arrays configured and all is well.
> ARCHTTP GUI is supposed to launch the default browser and look at 127.0.0.1:81 for the controller.
> This worked.  I could monitor and manage my raid through the browser page.  I hate managing through browsers but hey, it worked.  It appears that the controller is a web server which serves up this management software.
>
> I downloaded the latest version of ARCHTTP.exe from Areca and suddenly 
> the application does not find the controller any more.  Going straight 
> to 127.0.0.1:81 in Firefox gives me
>
> Unable to connect
> Firefox can't establish a connection to the server at 127.0.0.1:81
>
> This is really bad news since I can no longer manage the raid from the (sucky but servicable) browser based stuff.
>
> Does anyone have a clue what the problem might be?  It seems that the more modern version of the gui exe did something to cause the raid controller web server to cease functioning?
>
> I am digging out my CD for the original software to see if that exe will "see" the controller".
>
> --
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
>
> Reality is what refuses to go away
> when you do not believe in it
>
>
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> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
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From Benson at ge.com  Tue Jun 19 18:31:02 2012
From: Benson at ge.com (Benson, William (GE Global Research, consultant))
Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2012 23:31:02 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Whilst on Windows 8
In-Reply-To: <93D10F008B998B4A83BCA855A33EEF372C7FF6CA@CINMBCNA01.e2k.ad.ge.com>
References: <272475EA454E4693A18D415396B3C618@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<9431ba1547dc43dcdee4a86d179bc6a3b5877bfe@sitemail.gate.com>
	<93D10F008B998B4A83BCA855A33EEF372C7FF6CA@CINMBCNA01.e2k.ad.ge.com>
Message-ID: <93D10F008B998B4A83BCA855A33EEF372C8012E2@CINMBCNA01.e2k.ad.ge.com>

Hated the ending to TMS. Are the surface dwellers ghosts or not?

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Benson, William (GE Global Research, consultant)
Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2012 6:31 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Whilst on Windows 8

Just started reading it, yes EMF is good.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Goodhall
Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2012 12:03 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Whilst on Windows 8

Not so far ahead of its time as you might think.? You should look at The Machine Stops by E. M. Forster, November 1909.? It's widely available on-line including http://services.exeter.ac.uk/cmit/media/texts/forster/the_machine_stops.pdf.

Also, here's a link to Alone Together, an interesting TED talk by Sherri Turkle http://www.youtubecom/watch?v=MtLVCpZIiNs

	Regards,?

	Steve Goodhall, MSCS, PMP 

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 Isaac Asimov wrote a Sci-Fi about a distant world, covered with huge  automated farms where the planet's few people met occasionally via a ghostly  3D imagining system (Naked to the Stars). Much of the book dealt with the  inhabitants great fear of real social contact. I think this book was written  in the late 50s...well ahead of its time.

 In the book, the great distances between the people made physical contact  difficult. Now a days many people socialize from small adjacent cubicles.

 Jim

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 Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2012 6:02 AM
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 Subject: Re: [AccessD] Whilst on Windows 8

 "keeping up with people and their pictures and their thoughts, and  communicating with them in short, frequent bursts. Life online is moving  faster and faster, and people are progressively using their PCs to keep  up with and participate in that."

 a good reason too get offline and start talking to real people.
Don't
 you see where this is leading? Isolation with the illusion of human  interaction.

 isn't anyone else getting fed up with how much time one feels COMPELLED  to be on line just to be part of this modern culture?

 Best geek t-shirt: "I went outside once but the graphics were terrible."

 Shoot you cell phone. Unplug your Cat-5. Feel the sun on your face.
 Actually have coffee with someone instead of both drinking it while on  line.

 Or is it because I'm old?

 Rocky

 -------- Original Message --------
 Subject: [AccessD] Whilst on Windows 8
 From: Darryl Collins
 Date: Mon, June 11, 2012 5:19 pm
 To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving  (accessd at databaseadvisors.com [4])" 

 Hi folks,

 I found these on the weekend and had a read. It is rather long, but I  found it was well worth a read - however you will need more than a spare
 5 minutes though.

windows-8.html> [5]

 The following quote (taken from the link above) really raises my  concerns and fears about this whole iPad tablet craze..

 "People, not files, are the center of activity. There has been a marked  change in the kinds of activities people spend time doing on the PC.
In
 balance to "traditional" PC activities such as writing and creating,  people are increasingly reading and socializing, keeping up with people  and their pictures and their thoughts, and communicating with them in  short, frequent bursts. Life online is moving faster and faster, and  people are progressively using their PCs to keep up with and participate  in that. And much of this activity and excitement is happening inside  the web browser, in experiences built using HTML and other web  technologies."

 Let me  translate that for you: "We're
 optimizing Windows for using Facebook and YouTube at the expense of  performing productivity tasks."

 Yeah, that maybe great for web surfing and Joe and Joette Bogan on the  daily train commute, but if you actually want to do the sort of  productive work that we (and most of the corporate world does) then I  think MS are out of their heads. They seem to be so desperate and  focussed on getting a foothold in Mobile (and tablet) that they are  risking killing the golden goose (namely the whole corporate  productivity 'Office' market).

 File management, or the lack of it, also freaks me out. Actually after  reading the way the iPad handles file management (which to me seems  highly inefficient) it has really put me off the idea of one for  anything but media consumption. W8 doesn't seem to be much better, but I  guess it is early days still.

 the-ipad/?u=darklydrawl at yahoo.com.au [6]&r=16913-15810>

 Anyway... I found both of these interesting.

 You may find some value too.

 Cheers
 Darryl

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From dkalsow at yahoo.com  Thu Jun 21 09:56:12 2012
From: dkalsow at yahoo.com (Dale Kalsow)
Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 07:56:12 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [AccessD] Running a saved import from a macro
In-Reply-To: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B50D8EE069@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
References: <sfb4c574.060@cactus.dk>
	<F5B2E2ECEE84F142883A2E6DCA867F984BA89CB3@LIVP3MMBX10.mail.aig.net>
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Good Morning Everyone,
?
Can some tell me how to run a saved import by using a macro?
?
Thanks!
?
Dale

From dbdoug at gmail.com  Thu Jun 21 11:28:28 2012
From: dbdoug at gmail.com (Doug Steele)
Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 09:28:28 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Running a saved import from a macro
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Dale:

Here is some sample code to import a text file in VBA:

  'import the text file using the import spec 'Import_Cables'
  'which was built and saved using the text import wizard (file>get
external data> Import...> choose a file> Advanced > Specs...)

  DoCmd.TransferText acImportDelim, "Import_Cables", "tblImport_Cable",
txname

To build a macro line do do this, select 'TransferText' (or possibly one of
the other Transfers if you're not using a text file).  Then fill in the
Transfer Type, Specification Name, the output Table Name and the input File
Name

Hope this helps

Doug

On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 7:56 AM, Dale Kalsow <dkalsow at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Good Morning Everyone,
>
> Can some tell me how to run a saved import by using a macro?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Dale
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From TSeptav at uniserve.com  Thu Jun 21 12:54:56 2012
From: TSeptav at uniserve.com (Tony Septav)
Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 10:54:56 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Running A Stand Alone On A MAC
Message-ID: <78DFF19890EB421EB24E4C000762C1F9@TonySeptav>

Hey All
This is all new to me. I have a client who has switched from being a PC user
to a MAC user. He is thinking of installing an ACCESS application I designed
for him (for the PC) on his MAC machine. He is using a program called
Parallels to allow him to run Windows on the MAC.  I guess what I am asking
is does anyone know of any problems (if any) in trying to this or should it
be just simply transparent?
 
Thanks
 
T. Septav
MicroCoast Solutions
Nanaimo, BC
Canada

From dnod at aol.com  Thu Jun 21 13:37:39 2012
From: dnod at aol.com (Dean Davids)
Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 14:37:39 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Running A Stand Alone On A MAC
In-Reply-To: <78DFF19890EB421EB24E4C000762C1F9@TonySeptav>
References: <78DFF19890EB421EB24E4C000762C1F9@TonySeptav>
Message-ID: <C44FE720-2B3C-4AD5-B376-37196921316B@aol.com>

I am about to try the same. Hoping for the best. Interested to see if anyone has done it. 


Dean S. Davids
www.cmbscorp.com
954-868-4421

On Jun 21, 2012, at 1:54 PM, "Tony Septav" <TSeptav at uniserve.com> wrote:

> Hey All
> This is all new to me. I have a client who has switched from being a PC user
> to a MAC user. He is thinking of installing an ACCESS application I designed
> for him (for the PC) on his MAC machine. He is using a program called
> Parallels to allow him to run Windows on the MAC.  I guess what I am asking
> is does anyone know of any problems (if any) in trying to this or should it
> be just simply transparent?
> 
> Thanks
> 
> T. Septav
> MicroCoast Solutions
> Nanaimo, BC
> Canada
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From carbonnb at gmail.com  Thu Jun 21 14:04:52 2012
From: carbonnb at gmail.com (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 15:04:52 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Running A Stand Alone On A MAC
In-Reply-To: <78DFF19890EB421EB24E4C000762C1F9@TonySeptav>
References: <78DFF19890EB421EB24E4C000762C1F9@TonySeptav>
Message-ID: <CAAZtbWFixuQfW-1+=K80Tf55F=piegaaJ6NL0E2=5ZYYzE-8Vw@mail.gmail.com>

It should be transparent.

Parallels is virtualization softwate similat to VMWare Fusion or
Oracle's VirtualBox.

I use Fusion on my MacBook and have no issues running any application.

Bryan

On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 1:54 PM, Tony Septav <TSeptav at uniserve.com> wrote:
> Hey All
> This is all new to me. I have a client who has switched from being a PC user
> to a MAC user. He is thinking of installing an ACCESS application I designed
> for him (for the PC) on his MAC machine. He is using a program called
> Parallels to allow him to run Windows on the MAC. ?I guess what I am asking
> is does anyone know of any problems (if any) in trying to this or should it
> be just simply transparent?
>
> Thanks
>
> T. Septav
> MicroCoast Solutions
> Nanaimo, BC
> Canada
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-- 
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Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well
preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out,
shouting "What a great ride!"


From dbdoug at gmail.com  Thu Jun 21 14:23:23 2012
From: dbdoug at gmail.com (Doug Steele)
Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 12:23:23 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Running A Stand Alone On A MAC
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References: <78DFF19890EB421EB24E4C000762C1F9@TonySeptav>
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I use Parallels on my MacBook to run Windows 7 / Access 2010 or Windows 7 /
Access 2003 and I haven't had any problems.

There is one option called 'Coherence' which makes it look like you're
working on the Mac desktop.  I don't like that at all - it's too confusing.
I like to keep the Mac and Windows stuff separate.

Doug

On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 12:04 PM, Bryan Carbonnell <carbonnb at gmail.com>wrote:

> It should be transparent.
>
> Parallels is virtualization softwate similat to VMWare Fusion or
> Oracle's VirtualBox.
>
> I use Fusion on my MacBook and have no issues running any application.
>
> Bryan
>
> On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 1:54 PM, Tony Septav <TSeptav at uniserve.com> wrote:
> > Hey All
> > This is all new to me. I have a client who has switched from being a PC
> user
> > to a MAC user. He is thinking of installing an ACCESS application I
> designed
> > for him (for the PC) on his MAC machine. He is using a program called
> > Parallels to allow him to run Windows on the MAC.  I guess what I am
> asking
> > is does anyone know of any problems (if any) in trying to this or should
> it
> > be just simply transparent?
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > T. Septav
> > MicroCoast Solutions
> > Nanaimo, BC
> > Canada
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>
>
>
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> shouting "What a great ride!"
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Jun 21 14:35:46 2012
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 15:35:46 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Running A Stand Alone On A MAC
In-Reply-To: <78DFF19890EB421EB24E4C000762C1F9@TonySeptav>
References: <78DFF19890EB421EB24E4C000762C1F9@TonySeptav>
Message-ID: <4FE37792.9090300@colbyconsulting.com>

I have a client that does this.  He runs Windows 7 in a virtual machine (parallels) and I do a 
runtime in that.  It works fine.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it


On 6/21/2012 1:54 PM, Tony Septav wrote:
> Hey All
> This is all new to me. I have a client who has switched from being a PC user
> to a MAC user. He is thinking of installing an ACCESS application I designed
> for him (for the PC) on his MAC machine. He is using a program called
> Parallels to allow him to run Windows on the MAC.  I guess what I am asking
> is does anyone know of any problems (if any) in trying to this or should it
> be just simply transparent?
>
> Thanks
>
> T. Septav
> MicroCoast Solutions
> Nanaimo, BC
> Canada
>



From john at winhaven.net  Thu Jun 21 14:45:07 2012
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 14:45:07 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Running A Stand Alone On A MAC
In-Reply-To: <4FE37792.9090300@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <78DFF19890EB421EB24E4C000762C1F9@TonySeptav>
	<4FE37792.9090300@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <026001cd4fe6$5cce51b0$166af510$@winhaven.net>

Are these access apps runtimes, per chance, frontend apps with a networked
backend db?

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 2:36 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Running A Stand Alone On A MAC

I have a client that does this.  He runs Windows 7 in a virtual machine
(parallels) and I do a runtime in that.  It works fine.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it


On 6/21/2012 1:54 PM, Tony Septav wrote:
> Hey All
> This is all new to me. I have a client who has switched from being a 
> PC user to a MAC user. He is thinking of installing an ACCESS 
> application I designed for him (for the PC) on his MAC machine. He is 
> using a program called Parallels to allow him to run Windows on the 
> MAC.  I guess what I am asking is does anyone know of any problems (if 
> any) in trying to this or should it be just simply transparent?
>
> Thanks
>
> T. Septav
> MicroCoast Solutions
> Nanaimo, BC
> Canada
>


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From dbdoug at gmail.com  Thu Jun 21 15:45:24 2012
From: dbdoug at gmail.com (Doug Steele)
Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 13:45:24 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Running A Stand Alone On A MAC
In-Reply-To: <026001cd4fe6$5cce51b0$166af510$@winhaven.net>
References: <78DFF19890EB421EB24E4C000762C1F9@TonySeptav>
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I just tried to open a back end db on a networked Windows PC from a front
end db in Parallels.  I'm getting write permissions errors, but that should
be solvable - as soon as I find that lizard and swing it around my head
three times...

Doug

On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 12:45 PM, John Bartow <john at winhaven.net> wrote:

> Are these access apps runtimes, per chance, frontend apps with a networked
> backend db?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
> Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 2:36 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Running A Stand Alone On A MAC
>
> I have a client that does this.  He runs Windows 7 in a virtual machine
> (parallels) and I do a runtime in that.  It works fine.
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
>
> Reality is what refuses to go away
> when you do not believe in it
>
>
> On 6/21/2012 1:54 PM, Tony Septav wrote:
> > Hey All
> > This is all new to me. I have a client who has switched from being a
> > PC user to a MAC user. He is thinking of installing an ACCESS
> > application I designed for him (for the PC) on his MAC machine. He is
> > using a program called Parallels to allow him to run Windows on the
> > MAC.  I guess what I am asking is does anyone know of any problems (if
> > any) in trying to this or should it be just simply transparent?
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > T. Septav
> > MicroCoast Solutions
> > Nanaimo, BC
> > Canada
> >
>
>
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From john at winhaven.net  Thu Jun 21 16:47:33 2012
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 16:47:33 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Running A Stand Alone On A MAC
In-Reply-To: <CAFa8NkiaZmqzis6YDp6Sdwnnd9wq4v3N667QtkM=K2+7hk5UWA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <78DFF19890EB421EB24E4C000762C1F9@TonySeptav>	<4FE37792.9090300@colbyconsulting.com>	<026001cd4fe6$5cce51b0$166af510$@winhaven.net>
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Lol - use a gecko please ;-)

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Doug Steele
Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 3:45 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Running A Stand Alone On A MAC

I just tried to open a back end db on a networked Windows PC from a front
end db in Parallels.  I'm getting write permissions errors, but that should
be solvable - as soon as I find that lizard and swing it around my head
three times...

Doug

On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 12:45 PM, John Bartow <john at winhaven.net> wrote:

> Are these access apps runtimes, per chance, frontend apps with a 
> networked backend db?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
> Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 2:36 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Running A Stand Alone On A MAC
>
> I have a client that does this.  He runs Windows 7 in a virtual 
> machine
> (parallels) and I do a runtime in that.  It works fine.
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
>
> Reality is what refuses to go away
> when you do not believe in it
>
>
> On 6/21/2012 1:54 PM, Tony Septav wrote:
> > Hey All
> > This is all new to me. I have a client who has switched from being a 
> > PC user to a MAC user. He is thinking of installing an ACCESS 
> > application I designed for him (for the PC) on his MAC machine. He 
> > is using a program called Parallels to allow him to run Windows on 
> > the MAC.  I guess what I am asking is does anyone know of any 
> > problems (if
> > any) in trying to this or should it be just simply transparent?
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > T. Septav
> > MicroCoast Solutions
> > Nanaimo, BC
> > Canada
> >
>
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From TSeptav at uniserve.com  Thu Jun 21 18:10:06 2012
From: TSeptav at uniserve.com (Tony Septav)
Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 16:10:06 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Running A Stand Alone On A MAC
In-Reply-To: <026001cd4fe6$5cce51b0$166af510$@winhaven.net>
References: <78DFF19890EB421EB24E4C000762C1F9@TonySeptav><4FE37792.9090300@colbyconsulting.com>
	<026001cd4fe6$5cce51b0$166af510$@winhaven.net>
Message-ID: <D1E79092B12C495DAF89686316E42597@TonySeptav>

Hey John
The app is a runtime, and no not a networked backend, back end goes on the
user machine (but if necessary the backend could be on a network). Just a
simple straight forward install.

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 12:45 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Running A Stand Alone On A MAC

Are these access apps runtimes, per chance, frontend apps with a networked
backend db?

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 2:36 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Running A Stand Alone On A MAC

I have a client that does this.  He runs Windows 7 in a virtual machine
(parallels) and I do a runtime in that.  It works fine.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it


On 6/21/2012 1:54 PM, Tony Septav wrote:
> Hey All
> This is all new to me. I have a client who has switched from being a 
> PC user to a MAC user. He is thinking of installing an ACCESS 
> application I designed for him (for the PC) on his MAC machine. He is 
> using a program called Parallels to allow him to run Windows on the 
> MAC.  I guess what I am asking is does anyone know of any problems (if
> any) in trying to this or should it be just simply transparent?
>
> Thanks
>
> T. Septav
> MicroCoast Solutions
> Nanaimo, BC
> Canada
>


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From TSeptav at uniserve.com  Thu Jun 21 18:39:56 2012
From: TSeptav at uniserve.com (Tony Septav)
Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 16:39:56 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] You Guys make Me Sick
Message-ID: <AED88903598F47B688B8A9575128EE9D@TonySeptav>

Hey All
Now that I have your attention. I have had enough, I can't take it anymore.
This list's individuals and their knowledge of the current technologies
being discussed is incredible (somethings I truly do not understand). I feel
like the kid who just got his first radio and who is truly amazed at hearing
voices transmitted over the ether. Then you guys come along and start
talking about a new device that displays the owner of that voice as an image
in 3D. I am feeling really old and figure it is truly time I just buy the
"weeny wagon" and hang out at the beach, gosh I hope the "wave babies" still
excite me. 
 
Tony Septav
MicroCoast Solutions
Nanaimo, BC
Canada

From hans.andersen at phulse.com  Thu Jun 21 19:05:08 2012
From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen)
Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 17:05:08 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Running A Stand Alone On A MAC
In-Reply-To: <D1E79092B12C495DAF89686316E42597@TonySeptav>
References: <78DFF19890EB421EB24E4C000762C1F9@TonySeptav>
	<4FE37792.9090300@colbyconsulting.com>
	<026001cd4fe6$5cce51b0$166af510$@winhaven.net>
	<D1E79092B12C495DAF89686316E42597@TonySeptav>
Message-ID: <04E54EAF-68E0-4EDC-AA0F-48960A5B0979@phulse.com>

Hi Tony,

You mileage may vary here, but it might be worth a try. You could try running it under Wine. Wine support is pretty incredible these days and it will run a lot of Windows apps natively, rather than through a virtual machine, which is inherently slower and more resource intensive.

There are some nice frontend interfaces that make setting up and configuring applications to run through Wine quite easily.

One such example is WineBottler. I think this might be the best one for you, as the other one, Wineskin, is geared more towards games (although it should still work just as well).

As mentioned, all you do is point WineBottler to your executables and it opens the application as it would on a Windows computer. Then you can create an application link to make launching it simple in the future.

Wine supports Photoshop and MS Office, so that should tell you something about how good/complete it is, but there's always the off chance that your app is calling some mystical Windows Api that hasn't been ported yet. But worth a try in my opinion, since it is so easy to set up and give it a spin.

- Hans

Sent from my iPhone

On 2012-06-21, at 4:10 PM, "Tony Septav" <TSeptav at uniserve.com> wrote:

> Hey John
> The app is a runtime, and no not a networked backend, back end goes on the
> user machine (but if necessary the backend could be on a network). Just a
> simple straight forward install.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow
> Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 12:45 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Running A Stand Alone On A MAC
> 
> Are these access apps runtimes, per chance, frontend apps with a networked
> backend db?
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
> Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 2:36 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Running A Stand Alone On A MAC
> 
> I have a client that does this.  He runs Windows 7 in a virtual machine
> (parallels) and I do a runtime in that.  It works fine.
> 
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
> 
> Reality is what refuses to go away
> when you do not believe in it
> 
> 
> On 6/21/2012 1:54 PM, Tony Septav wrote:
>> Hey All
>> This is all new to me. I have a client who has switched from being a 
>> PC user to a MAC user. He is thinking of installing an ACCESS 
>> application I designed for him (for the PC) on his MAC machine. He is 
>> using a program called Parallels to allow him to run Windows on the 
>> MAC.  I guess what I am asking is does anyone know of any problems (if
>> any) in trying to this or should it be just simply transparent?
>> 
>> Thanks
>> 
>> T. Septav
>> MicroCoast Solutions
>> Nanaimo, BC
>> Canada
>> 
> 
> 
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From ssharkins at gmail.com  Thu Jun 21 19:30:42 2012
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 20:30:42 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] You Guys make Me Sick
References: <AED88903598F47B688B8A9575128EE9D@TonySeptav>
Message-ID: <9C6D0C64280048F493FA0E61D1A0FA32@SusanHarkins>

Egad... I must have missed something really ... significant.

I feel old everyday. That's why I play with hawks and owls and impress 
little children. :) If I tried to keep up with the technology, I'd slit my 
throat. :( Seriously. I can't do it anymore. I'm going to start writing 
about flowers and birds and screw Microsoft.

Susan H.


> Hey All
> Now that I have your attention. I have had enough, I can't take it 
> anymore.
> This list's individuals and their knowledge of the current technologies
> being discussed is incredible (somethings I truly do not understand). I 
> feel
> like the kid who just got his first radio and who is truly amazed at 
> hearing
> voices transmitted over the ether. Then you guys come along and start
> talking about a new device that displays the owner of that voice as an 
> image
> in 3D. I am feeling really old and figure it is truly time I just buy the
> "weeny wagon" and hang out at the beach, gosh I hope the "wave babies" 
> still
> excite me.
>
> Tony Septav
> MicroCoast Solutions
> Nanaimo, BC
> Canada


From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au  Thu Jun 21 19:30:23 2012
From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins)
Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2012 00:30:23 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] You Guys make Me Sick
In-Reply-To: <AED88903598F47B688B8A9575128EE9D@TonySeptav>
References: <AED88903598F47B688B8A9575128EE9D@TonySeptav>
Message-ID: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B524FAA9D2@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>

Heh.. I think my US Friend Mr Bill Benson summed it up rather well the other week when he said something along the lines of "I read that entire thread and all of it went right over my head".  Numerous times I have felt the same way, especially on that tricky network stuff (yes I am referring to you Mr Colby!!) - I read the words, see the argument but still spend a fair bit of time lost.

Have to agree, this list is certainly educational :)

Keep up the madness I say.

Cheers
Darryl.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tony Septav
Sent: Friday, 22 June 2012 9:40 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] You Guys make Me Sick

Hey All
Now that I have your attention. I have had enough, I can't take it anymore.
This list's individuals and their knowledge of the current technologies being discussed is incredible (somethings I truly do not understand). I feel like the kid who just got his first radio and who is truly amazed at hearing voices transmitted over the ether. Then you guys come along and start talking about a new device that displays the owner of that voice as an image in 3D. I am feeling really old and figure it is truly time I just buy the "weeny wagon" and hang out at the beach, gosh I hope the "wave babies" still excite me. 
 
Tony Septav
MicroCoast Solutions
Nanaimo, BC
Canada
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From hans.andersen at phulse.com  Thu Jun 21 21:32:36 2012
From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen)
Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 19:32:36 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] You Guys make Me Sick
In-Reply-To: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B524FAA9D2@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
References: <AED88903598F47B688B8A9575128EE9D@TonySeptav>
	<56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B524FAA9D2@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <2B437DCC-0D65-41FC-BEEB-B38BE95CF89A@phulse.com>

To be honest, it's a challenge for all of us to keep up with things. The amount of new technology and discoveries only keeps accelerating and we are all becoming more specialised in our knowledge and experience. The price of progress, one might say. It not going to get any easier. We are rapidly approaching the technological singularity and that's just a disturbing thought to anyone who thinks about it enough, but we are helpless to resist.

- Hans

Sent from my iPhone

On 2012-06-21, at 5:30 PM, Darryl Collins <darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au> wrote:

> Heh.. I think my US Friend Mr Bill Benson summed it up rather well the other week when he said something along the lines of "I read that entire thread and all of it went right over my head".  Numerous times I have felt the same way, especially on that tricky network stuff (yes I am referring to you Mr Colby!!) - I read the words, see the argument but still spend a fair bit of time lost.
> 
> Have to agree, this list is certainly educational :)
> 
> Keep up the madness I say.
> 
> Cheers
> Darryl.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tony Septav
> Sent: Friday, 22 June 2012 9:40 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: [AccessD] You Guys make Me Sick
> 
> Hey All
> Now that I have your attention. I have had enough, I can't take it anymore.
> This list's individuals and their knowledge of the current technologies being discussed is incredible (somethings I truly do not understand). I feel like the kid who just got his first radio and who is truly amazed at hearing voices transmitted over the ether. Then you guys come along and start talking about a new device that displays the owner of that voice as an image in 3D. I am feeling really old and figure it is truly time I just buy the "weeny wagon" and hang out at the beach, gosh I hope the "wave babies" still excite me. 
> 
> Tony Septav
> MicroCoast Solutions
> Nanaimo, BC
> Canada
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Jun 21 21:31:45 2012
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 22:31:45 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Running A Stand Alone On A MAC
In-Reply-To: <026001cd4fe6$5cce51b0$166af510$@winhaven.net>
References: <78DFF19890EB421EB24E4C000762C1F9@TonySeptav>
	<4FE37792.9090300@colbyconsulting.com>
	<026001cd4fe6$5cce51b0$166af510$@winhaven.net>
Message-ID: <4FE3D911.6000104@colbyconsulting.com>

This is a smallish runtime FE hitting a SQL Server BE over the web.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it


On 6/21/2012 3:45 PM, John Bartow wrote:
> Are these access apps runtimes, per chance, frontend apps with a networked
> backend db?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
> Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 2:36 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Running A Stand Alone On A MAC
>
> I have a client that does this.  He runs Windows 7 in a virtual machine
> (parallels) and I do a runtime in that.  It works fine.
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
>
> Reality is what refuses to go away
> when you do not believe in it
>
>
> On 6/21/2012 1:54 PM, Tony Septav wrote:
>> Hey All
>> This is all new to me. I have a client who has switched from being a
>> PC user to a MAC user. He is thinking of installing an ACCESS
>> application I designed for him (for the PC) on his MAC machine. He is
>> using a program called Parallels to allow him to run Windows on the
>> MAC.  I guess what I am asking is does anyone know of any problems (if
>> any) in trying to this or should it be just simply transparent?
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> T. Septav
>> MicroCoast Solutions
>> Nanaimo, BC
>> Canada
>>
>
>
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From TSeptav at uniserve.com  Thu Jun 21 21:42:08 2012
From: TSeptav at uniserve.com (Tony Septav)
Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 19:42:08 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Running A Stand Alone On A MAC
In-Reply-To: <4FE3D911.6000104@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <78DFF19890EB421EB24E4C000762C1F9@TonySeptav><4FE37792.9090300@colbyconsulting.com><026001cd4fe6$5cce51b0$166af510$@winhaven.net>
	<4FE3D911.6000104@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <658D7F1752114C4FA50F7CAD7C401852@TonySeptav>

Hey John
Haven't got a clue what you are talking about. 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 7:32 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Running A Stand Alone On A MAC

This is a smallish runtime FE hitting a SQL Server BE over the web.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it


On 6/21/2012 3:45 PM, John Bartow wrote:
> Are these access apps runtimes, per chance, frontend apps with a 
> networked backend db?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
> Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 2:36 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Running A Stand Alone On A MAC
>
> I have a client that does this.  He runs Windows 7 in a virtual 
> machine
> (parallels) and I do a runtime in that.  It works fine.
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
>
> Reality is what refuses to go away
> when you do not believe in it
>
>
> On 6/21/2012 1:54 PM, Tony Septav wrote:
>> Hey All
>> This is all new to me. I have a client who has switched from being a 
>> PC user to a MAC user. He is thinking of installing an ACCESS 
>> application I designed for him (for the PC) on his MAC machine. He is 
>> using a program called Parallels to allow him to run Windows on the 
>> MAC.  I guess what I am asking is does anyone know of any problems 
>> (if
>> any) in trying to this or should it be just simply transparent?
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> T. Septav
>> MicroCoast Solutions
>> Nanaimo, BC
>> Canada
>>
>
>
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From john at winhaven.net  Thu Jun 21 21:49:05 2012
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 21:49:05 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] You Guys make Me Sick
In-Reply-To: <AED88903598F47B688B8A9575128EE9D@TonySeptav>
References: <AED88903598F47B688B8A9575128EE9D@TonySeptav>
Message-ID: <035c01cd5021$96ff9ed0$c4fedc70$@winhaven.net>

Yea, it gets tougher every day. Now with Android and iOS in the mix, I get a
bit overwhelmed at times too.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tony Septav
Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 6:40 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] You Guys make Me Sick

Hey All
Now that I have your attention. I have had enough, I can't take it anymore.
This list's individuals and their knowledge of the current technologies
being discussed is incredible (somethings I truly do not understand). I feel
like the kid who just got his first radio and who is truly amazed at hearing
voices transmitted over the ether. Then you guys come along and start
talking about a new device that displays the owner of that voice as an image
in 3D. I am feeling really old and figure it is truly time I just buy the
"weeny wagon" and hang out at the beach, gosh I hope the "wave babies" still
excite me. 
 
Tony Septav
MicroCoast Solutions
Nanaimo, BC
Canada
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From john at winhaven.net  Thu Jun 21 21:54:09 2012
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 21:54:09 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Running A Stand Alone On A MAC
In-Reply-To: <4FE3D911.6000104@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <78DFF19890EB421EB24E4C000762C1F9@TonySeptav>	<4FE37792.9090300@colbyconsulting.com>	<026001cd4fe6$5cce51b0$166af510$@winhaven.net>
	<4FE3D911.6000104@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <035e01cd5022$4bfdd950$e3f98bf0$@winhaven.net>

Great news. I have Mac users wanting to run Access apps and I always just
say no. Probably still a sound response (sanity wise) but at least now I
know someone else is doing it.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 9:32 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Running A Stand Alone On A MAC

This is a smallish runtime FE hitting a SQL Server BE over the web.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it


On 6/21/2012 3:45 PM, John Bartow wrote:
> Are these access apps runtimes, per chance, frontend apps with a 
> networked backend db?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
> Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 2:36 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Running A Stand Alone On A MAC
>
> I have a client that does this.  He runs Windows 7 in a virtual 
> machine
> (parallels) and I do a runtime in that.  It works fine.
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
>
> Reality is what refuses to go away
> when you do not believe in it
>
>
> On 6/21/2012 1:54 PM, Tony Septav wrote:
>> Hey All
>> This is all new to me. I have a client who has switched from being a 
>> PC user to a MAC user. He is thinking of installing an ACCESS 
>> application I designed for him (for the PC) on his MAC machine. He is 
>> using a program called Parallels to allow him to run Windows on the 
>> MAC.  I guess what I am asking is does anyone know of any problems 
>> (if
>> any) in trying to this or should it be just simply transparent?
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> T. Septav
>> MicroCoast Solutions
>> Nanaimo, BC
>> Canada
>>
>
>
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From john at winhaven.net  Thu Jun 21 21:54:09 2012
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 21:54:09 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Running A Stand Alone On A MAC
In-Reply-To: <658D7F1752114C4FA50F7CAD7C401852@TonySeptav>
References: <78DFF19890EB421EB24E4C000762C1F9@TonySeptav><4FE37792.9090300@colbyconsulting.com><026001cd4fe6$5cce51b0$166af510$@winhaven.net>	<4FE3D911.6000104@colbyconsulting.com>
	<658D7F1752114C4FA50F7CAD7C401852@TonySeptav>
Message-ID: <035f01cd5022$4c3256d0$e4970470$@winhaven.net>

Lol! Don't worry Tony, very few people ever understand JC.  He just writes
to the list so he can discuss these matters with someone via email, albeit
himself <snicker>

(just kidding buddy ;-)
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tony Septav
Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 9:42 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Running A Stand Alone On A MAC

Hey John
Haven't got a clue what you are talking about. 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 7:32 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Running A Stand Alone On A MAC

This is a smallish runtime FE hitting a SQL Server BE over the web.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it


On 6/21/2012 3:45 PM, John Bartow wrote:
> Are these access apps runtimes, per chance, frontend apps with a 
> networked backend db?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
> Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 2:36 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Running A Stand Alone On A MAC
>
> I have a client that does this.  He runs Windows 7 in a virtual 
> machine
> (parallels) and I do a runtime in that.  It works fine.
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
>
> Reality is what refuses to go away
> when you do not believe in it
>
>
> On 6/21/2012 1:54 PM, Tony Septav wrote:
>> Hey All
>> This is all new to me. I have a client who has switched from being a 
>> PC user to a MAC user. He is thinking of installing an ACCESS 
>> application I designed for him (for the PC) on his MAC machine. He is 
>> using a program called Parallels to allow him to run Windows on the 
>> MAC.  I guess what I am asking is does anyone know of any problems 
>> (if
>> any) in trying to this or should it be just simply transparent?
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> T. Septav
>> MicroCoast Solutions
>> Nanaimo, BC
>> Canada
>>
>
>
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Jun 21 22:44:56 2012
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 23:44:56 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Running A Stand Alone On A MAC
In-Reply-To: <658D7F1752114C4FA50F7CAD7C401852@TonySeptav>
References: <78DFF19890EB421EB24E4C000762C1F9@TonySeptav><4FE37792.9090300@colbyconsulting.com><026001cd4fe6$5cce51b0$166af510$@winhaven.net>
	<4FE3D911.6000104@colbyconsulting.com>
	<658D7F1752114C4FA50F7CAD7C401852@TonySeptav>
Message-ID: <4FE3EA38.8060304@colbyconsulting.com>

My app is an Access Fe written in Access 2003 (along with my frameworks).  The BE is SQL Server 
running in my office.  The FE runs on a MAC in my colleague's office.  His Mac runs a VM inside of 
which runs Windows 7.  The FE runs under Access 2007 runtime.  The FE accesses the data over the 
internet using Hamachi as a VPN, IOW he runs Hamachi on his system and I run it on my server, and 
Hamachi forms a tunnel over the internet.

You mentioned your client running Access under Windows 7 under Parallels on a Mac.  I am telling you 
that we are doing that.

Transparent it is, kinda, within the framework of "it's running on a Mac".  Just as an example a Mac 
apparently doesn't have a control key.   Hmmm... We Windows folks use the control key for shortcuts 
and stuff.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it


On 6/21/2012 10:42 PM, Tony Septav wrote:
> Hey John
> Haven't got a clue what you are talking about.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
> Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 7:32 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Running A Stand Alone On A MAC
>
> This is a smallish runtime FE hitting a SQL Server BE over the web.
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
>
> Reality is what refuses to go away
> when you do not believe in it
>
>
> On 6/21/2012 3:45 PM, John Bartow wrote:
>> Are these access apps runtimes, per chance, frontend apps with a
>> networked backend db?
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
>> Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 2:36 PM
>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Running A Stand Alone On A MAC
>>
>> I have a client that does this.  He runs Windows 7 in a virtual
>> machine
>> (parallels) and I do a runtime in that.  It works fine.
>>
>> John W. Colby
>> Colby Consulting
>>
>> Reality is what refuses to go away
>> when you do not believe in it
>>
>>
>> On 6/21/2012 1:54 PM, Tony Septav wrote:
>>> Hey All
>>> This is all new to me. I have a client who has switched from being a
>>> PC user to a MAC user. He is thinking of installing an ACCESS
>>> application I designed for him (for the PC) on his MAC machine. He is
>>> using a program called Parallels to allow him to run Windows on the
>>> MAC.  I guess what I am asking is does anyone know of any problems
>>> (if
>>> any) in trying to this or should it be just simply transparent?
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>> T. Septav
>>> MicroCoast Solutions
>>> Nanaimo, BC
>>> Canada
>>>
>>
>>
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Jun 21 22:46:19 2012
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 23:46:19 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Running A Stand Alone On A MAC
In-Reply-To: <035f01cd5022$4c3256d0$e4970470$@winhaven.net>
References: <78DFF19890EB421EB24E4C000762C1F9@TonySeptav><4FE37792.9090300@colbyconsulting.com><026001cd4fe6$5cce51b0$166af510$@winhaven.net>	<4FE3D911.6000104@colbyconsulting.com>
	<658D7F1752114C4FA50F7CAD7C401852@TonySeptav>
	<035f01cd5022$4c3256d0$e4970470$@winhaven.net>
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ROTFL.  I am lonely sitting all alone in my office in NC.  ;)

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it


On 6/21/2012 10:54 PM, John Bartow wrote:
> Lol! Don't worry Tony, very few people ever understand JC.  He just writes
> to the list so he can discuss these matters with someone via email, albeit
> himself <snicker>
>
> (just kidding buddy ;-)
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tony Septav
> Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 9:42 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Running A Stand Alone On A MAC
>
> Hey John
> Haven't got a clue what you are talking about.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
> Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 7:32 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Running A Stand Alone On A MAC
>
> This is a smallish runtime FE hitting a SQL Server BE over the web.
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
>
> Reality is what refuses to go away
> when you do not believe in it
>
>
> On 6/21/2012 3:45 PM, John Bartow wrote:
>> Are these access apps runtimes, per chance, frontend apps with a
>> networked backend db?
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
>> Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 2:36 PM
>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Running A Stand Alone On A MAC
>>
>> I have a client that does this.  He runs Windows 7 in a virtual
>> machine
>> (parallels) and I do a runtime in that.  It works fine.
>>
>> John W. Colby
>> Colby Consulting
>>
>> Reality is what refuses to go away
>> when you do not believe in it
>>
>>
>> On 6/21/2012 1:54 PM, Tony Septav wrote:
>>> Hey All
>>> This is all new to me. I have a client who has switched from being a
>>> PC user to a MAC user. He is thinking of installing an ACCESS
>>> application I designed for him (for the PC) on his MAC machine. He is
>>> using a program called Parallels to allow him to run Windows on the
>>> MAC.  I guess what I am asking is does anyone know of any problems
>>> (if
>>> any) in trying to this or should it be just simply transparent?
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>> T. Septav
>>> MicroCoast Solutions
>>> Nanaimo, BC
>>> Canada
>>>
>>
>>
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From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au  Thu Jun 21 23:12:54 2012
From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins)
Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2012 04:12:54 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Running A Stand Alone On A MAC
In-Reply-To: <4FE3EA38.8060304@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <78DFF19890EB421EB24E4C000762C1F9@TonySeptav><4FE37792.9090300@colbyconsulting.com><026001cd4fe6$5cce51b0$166af510$@winhaven.net>
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>From memory (and it has been a long time since I used a Mac regularly - indeed, my Mac days were pre Steve Jobs 2nd coming when Macs used to really suck) you can use the "Apple" key as a substitute control key, or at least that is how it used to be.

Perhaps that has all changed now...



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Friday, 22 June 2012 1:45 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Running A Stand Alone On A MAC

My app is an Access Fe written in Access 2003 (along with my frameworks).  The BE is SQL Server running in my office.  The FE runs on a MAC in my colleague's office.  His Mac runs a VM inside of which runs Windows 7.  The FE runs under Access 2007 runtime.  The FE accesses the data over the internet using Hamachi as a VPN, IOW he runs Hamachi on his system and I run it on my server, and Hamachi forms a tunnel over the internet.

You mentioned your client running Access under Windows 7 under Parallels on a Mac.  I am telling you that we are doing that.

Transparent it is, kinda, within the framework of "it's running on a Mac".  Just as an example a Mac 
apparently doesn't have a control key.   Hmmm... We Windows folks use the control key for shortcuts 
and stuff.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it


On 6/21/2012 10:42 PM, Tony Septav wrote:
> Hey John
> Haven't got a clue what you are talking about.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
> Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 7:32 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Running A Stand Alone On A MAC
>
> This is a smallish runtime FE hitting a SQL Server BE over the web.
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
>
> Reality is what refuses to go away
> when you do not believe in it
>
>
> On 6/21/2012 3:45 PM, John Bartow wrote:
>> Are these access apps runtimes, per chance, frontend apps with a 
>> networked backend db?
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
>> Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 2:36 PM
>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Running A Stand Alone On A MAC
>>
>> I have a client that does this.  He runs Windows 7 in a virtual 
>> machine
>> (parallels) and I do a runtime in that.  It works fine.
>>
>> John W. Colby
>> Colby Consulting
>>
>> Reality is what refuses to go away
>> when you do not believe in it
>>
>>
>> On 6/21/2012 1:54 PM, Tony Septav wrote:
>>> Hey All
>>> This is all new to me. I have a client who has switched from being a 
>>> PC user to a MAC user. He is thinking of installing an ACCESS 
>>> application I designed for him (for the PC) on his MAC machine. He 
>>> is using a program called Parallels to allow him to run Windows on 
>>> the MAC.  I guess what I am asking is does anyone know of any 
>>> problems (if
>>> any) in trying to this or should it be just simply transparent?
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>> T. Septav
>>> MicroCoast Solutions
>>> Nanaimo, BC
>>> Canada
>>>
>>
>>
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Thu Jun 21 23:28:51 2012
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 21:28:51 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Running A Stand Alone On A MAC
In-Reply-To: <4FE3D911.6000104@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <78DFF19890EB421EB24E4C000762C1F9@TonySeptav><4FE37792.9090300@colbyconsulting.com><026001cd4fe6$5cce51b0$166af510$@winhaven.net>
	<4FE3D911.6000104@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <5370C8AEC4FE49778B66286CEF3FAC15@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Now what is complex about that? 

Now to get it to work reliably is another whole subject.

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 7:32 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Running A Stand Alone On A MAC

This is a smallish runtime FE hitting a SQL Server BE over the web.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it


On 6/21/2012 3:45 PM, John Bartow wrote:
> Are these access apps runtimes, per chance, frontend apps with a networked
> backend db?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
> Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 2:36 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Running A Stand Alone On A MAC
>
> I have a client that does this.  He runs Windows 7 in a virtual machine
> (parallels) and I do a runtime in that.  It works fine.
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
>
> Reality is what refuses to go away
> when you do not believe in it
>
>
> On 6/21/2012 1:54 PM, Tony Septav wrote:
>> Hey All
>> This is all new to me. I have a client who has switched from being a
>> PC user to a MAC user. He is thinking of installing an ACCESS
>> application I designed for him (for the PC) on his MAC machine. He is
>> using a program called Parallels to allow him to run Windows on the
>> MAC.  I guess what I am asking is does anyone know of any problems (if
>> any) in trying to this or should it be just simply transparent?
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> T. Septav
>> MicroCoast Solutions
>> Nanaimo, BC
>> Canada
>>
>
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Jun 21 23:36:44 2012
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2012 00:36:44 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Running A Stand Alone On A MAC
In-Reply-To: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B524FABDD7@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
References: <78DFF19890EB421EB24E4C000762C1F9@TonySeptav><4FE37792.9090300@colbyconsulting.com><026001cd4fe6$5cce51b0$166af510$@winhaven.net>
	<4FE3D911.6000104@colbyconsulting.com>
	<658D7F1752114C4FA50F7CAD7C401852@TonySeptav>
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Yea maybe.  All I know is I am telling Mike to hit control-C and he is hunting for the ctl key...

 > Transparent it is, kinda, within the framework of "it's running on a Mac".

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it


On 6/22/2012 12:12 AM, Darryl Collins wrote:
>>From memory (and it has been a long time since I used a Mac regularly - indeed, my Mac days were pre Steve Jobs 2nd coming when Macs used to really suck) you can use the "Apple" key as a substitute control key, or at least that is how it used to be.
>
> Perhaps that has all changed now...
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
> Sent: Friday, 22 June 2012 1:45 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Running A Stand Alone On A MAC
>
> My app is an Access Fe written in Access 2003 (along with my frameworks).  The BE is SQL Server running in my office.  The FE runs on a MAC in my colleague's office.  His Mac runs a VM inside of which runs Windows 7.  The FE runs under Access 2007 runtime.  The FE accesses the data over the internet using Hamachi as a VPN, IOW he runs Hamachi on his system and I run it on my server, and Hamachi forms a tunnel over the internet.
>
> You mentioned your client running Access under Windows 7 under Parallels on a Mac.  I am telling you that we are doing that.
>
> Transparent it is, kinda, within the framework of "it's running on a Mac".  Just as an example a Mac
> apparently doesn't have a control key.   Hmmm... We Windows folks use the control key for shortcuts
> and stuff.
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
>
> Reality is what refuses to go away
> when you do not believe in it
>
>
> On 6/21/2012 10:42 PM, Tony Septav wrote:
>> Hey John
>> Haven't got a clue what you are talking about.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
>> Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 7:32 PM
>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Running A Stand Alone On A MAC
>>
>> This is a smallish runtime FE hitting a SQL Server BE over the web.
>>
>> John W. Colby
>> Colby Consulting
>>
>> Reality is what refuses to go away
>> when you do not believe in it
>>
>>
>> On 6/21/2012 3:45 PM, John Bartow wrote:
>>> Are these access apps runtimes, per chance, frontend apps with a
>>> networked backend db?
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
>>> Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 2:36 PM
>>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Running A Stand Alone On A MAC
>>>
>>> I have a client that does this.  He runs Windows 7 in a virtual
>>> machine
>>> (parallels) and I do a runtime in that.  It works fine.
>>>
>>> John W. Colby
>>> Colby Consulting
>>>
>>> Reality is what refuses to go away
>>> when you do not believe in it
>>>
>>>
>>> On 6/21/2012 1:54 PM, Tony Septav wrote:
>>>> Hey All
>>>> This is all new to me. I have a client who has switched from being a
>>>> PC user to a MAC user. He is thinking of installing an ACCESS
>>>> application I designed for him (for the PC) on his MAC machine. He
>>>> is using a program called Parallels to allow him to run Windows on
>>>> the MAC.  I guess what I am asking is does anyone know of any
>>>> problems (if
>>>> any) in trying to this or should it be just simply transparent?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks
>>>>
>>>> T. Septav
>>>> MicroCoast Solutions
>>>> Nanaimo, BC
>>>> Canada
>>>>
>>>
>>>
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From dbdoug at gmail.com  Thu Jun 21 23:43:21 2012
From: dbdoug at gmail.com (Doug Steele)
Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 21:43:21 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Running A Stand Alone On A MAC
In-Reply-To: <4FE3F65C.90103@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <78DFF19890EB421EB24E4C000762C1F9@TonySeptav>
	<4FE37792.9090300@colbyconsulting.com>
	<026001cd4fe6$5cce51b0$166af510$@winhaven.net>
	<4FE3D911.6000104@colbyconsulting.com>
	<658D7F1752114C4FA50F7CAD7C401852@TonySeptav>
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I assume you want to copy?  On a Mac, substitute the 'command' key (four
leaf clover icon) for the Windows Ctl key.  Works for most of the Windows
Ctl-whatever keys.

On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 9:36 PM, jwcolby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>wrote:

> Yea maybe.  All I know is I am telling Mike to hit control-C and he is
> hunting for the ctl key...
>
>
> > Transparent it is, kinda, within the framework of "it's running on a
> Mac".
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
>
> Reality is what refuses to go away
> when you do not believe in it
>
>
> On 6/22/2012 12:12 AM, Darryl Collins wrote:
>
>> From memory (and it has been a long time since I used a Mac regularly -
>>> indeed, my Mac days were pre Steve Jobs 2nd coming when Macs used to really
>>> suck) you can use the "Apple" key as a substitute control key, or at least
>>> that is how it used to be.
>>>
>>
>> Perhaps that has all changed now...
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces@**databaseadvisors.com<accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com>[mailto:
>> accessd-bounces@**databaseadvisors.com<accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com>]
>> On Behalf Of jwcolby
>> Sent: Friday, 22 June 2012 1:45 PM
>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Running A Stand Alone On A MAC
>>
>> My app is an Access Fe written in Access 2003 (along with my frameworks).
>>  The BE is SQL Server running in my office.  The FE runs on a MAC in my
>> colleague's office.  His Mac runs a VM inside of which runs Windows 7.  The
>> FE runs under Access 2007 runtime.  The FE accesses the data over the
>> internet using Hamachi as a VPN, IOW he runs Hamachi on his system and I
>> run it on my server, and Hamachi forms a tunnel over the internet.
>>
>> You mentioned your client running Access under Windows 7 under Parallels
>> on a Mac.  I am telling you that we are doing that.
>>
>> Transparent it is, kinda, within the framework of "it's running on a
>> Mac".  Just as an example a Mac
>> apparently doesn't have a control key.   Hmmm... We Windows folks use the
>> control key for shortcuts
>> and stuff.
>>
>> John W. Colby
>> Colby Consulting
>>
>> Reality is what refuses to go away
>> when you do not believe in it
>>
>>
>> On 6/21/2012 10:42 PM, Tony Septav wrote:
>>
>>> Hey John
>>> Haven't got a clue what you are talking about.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: accessd-bounces@**databaseadvisors.com<accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com>
>>> [mailto:accessd-bounces@**databaseadvisors.com<accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com>]
>>> On Behalf Of jwcolby
>>> Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 7:32 PM
>>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Running A Stand Alone On A MAC
>>>
>>> This is a smallish runtime FE hitting a SQL Server BE over the web.
>>>
>>> John W. Colby
>>> Colby Consulting
>>>
>>> Reality is what refuses to go away
>>> when you do not believe in it
>>>
>>>
>>> On 6/21/2012 3:45 PM, John Bartow wrote:
>>>
>>>> Are these access apps runtimes, per chance, frontend apps with a
>>>> networked backend db?
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: accessd-bounces@**databaseadvisors.com<accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com>
>>>> [mailto:accessd-bounces@**databaseadvisors.com<accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com>]
>>>> On Behalf Of jwcolby
>>>> Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 2:36 PM
>>>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>>>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Running A Stand Alone On A MAC
>>>>
>>>> I have a client that does this.  He runs Windows 7 in a virtual
>>>> machine
>>>> (parallels) and I do a runtime in that.  It works fine.
>>>>
>>>> John W. Colby
>>>> Colby Consulting
>>>>
>>>> Reality is what refuses to go away
>>>> when you do not believe in it
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 6/21/2012 1:54 PM, Tony Septav wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hey All
>>>>> This is all new to me. I have a client who has switched from being a
>>>>> PC user to a MAC user. He is thinking of installing an ACCESS
>>>>> application I designed for him (for the PC) on his MAC machine. He
>>>>> is using a program called Parallels to allow him to run Windows on
>>>>> the MAC.  I guess what I am asking is does anyone know of any
>>>>> problems (if
>>>>> any) in trying to this or should it be just simply transparent?
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>
>>>>> T. Septav
>>>>> MicroCoast Solutions
>>>>> Nanaimo, BC
>>>>> Canada
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
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>>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.**com<http://www.databaseadvisors.com>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
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>

From accessd at shaw.ca  Fri Jun 22 00:04:24 2012
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 22:04:24 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Running A Stand Alone On A MAC
In-Reply-To: <4FE3EA8B.1020505@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <78DFF19890EB421EB24E4C000762C1F9@TonySeptav><4FE37792.9090300@colbyconsulting.com><026001cd4fe6$5cce51b0$166af510$@winhaven.net>	<4FE3D911.6000104@colbyconsulting.com><658D7F1752114C4FA50F7CAD7C401852@TonySeptav><035f01cd5022$4c3256d0$e4970470$@winhaven.net>
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Actually, I find it all very interesting. 

It is fun to hear someone articulating a problem in a middle of an very
complex project. 

I tend to not mention anything I do as it would just bore most. Who cares if
you create a sequential number generator, clock driven and managed to shave
off thirty percent in processing time. It is really simple but it took two
days to make it happen. By tomorrow it will be running another twenty
percent faster. ;-) With a small database of less than a million records but
twenty five years of data, it will take about 87 hours to process with a
dedicated system running flat out so I built a processor that runs off the
keyboard reader and it does a few records in the background on a variety of
tables, when the operator pauses doing entry...it has been running steadily
for two weeks now. See I told you it would bore you. 

Is it difficult? No not at all, if the problem is broken down into small
bite sized pieces, taken one chunk at a time, resolved and then move on to
the next chunk. 

My rule is stubborn patience beats smart every time. 

Jim   

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 8:46 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Running A Stand Alone On A MAC

ROTFL.  I am lonely sitting all alone in my office in NC.  ;)

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it


On 6/21/2012 10:54 PM, John Bartow wrote:
> Lol! Don't worry Tony, very few people ever understand JC.  He just writes
> to the list so he can discuss these matters with someone via email, albeit
> himself <snicker>
>
> (just kidding buddy ;-)
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tony Septav
> Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 9:42 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Running A Stand Alone On A MAC
>
> Hey John
> Haven't got a clue what you are talking about.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
> Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 7:32 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Running A Stand Alone On A MAC
>
> This is a smallish runtime FE hitting a SQL Server BE over the web.
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
>
> Reality is what refuses to go away
> when you do not believe in it
>
>
> On 6/21/2012 3:45 PM, John Bartow wrote:
>> Are these access apps runtimes, per chance, frontend apps with a
>> networked backend db?
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
>> Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 2:36 PM
>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Running A Stand Alone On A MAC
>>
>> I have a client that does this.  He runs Windows 7 in a virtual
>> machine
>> (parallels) and I do a runtime in that.  It works fine.
>>
>> John W. Colby
>> Colby Consulting
>>
>> Reality is what refuses to go away
>> when you do not believe in it
>>
>>
>> On 6/21/2012 1:54 PM, Tony Septav wrote:
>>> Hey All
>>> This is all new to me. I have a client who has switched from being a
>>> PC user to a MAC user. He is thinking of installing an ACCESS
>>> application I designed for him (for the PC) on his MAC machine. He is
>>> using a program called Parallels to allow him to run Windows on the
>>> MAC.  I guess what I am asking is does anyone know of any problems
>>> (if
>>> any) in trying to this or should it be just simply transparent?
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>> T. Septav
>>> MicroCoast Solutions
>>> Nanaimo, BC
>>> Canada
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
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>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>
>
>
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Jun 22 00:12:19 2012
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2012 01:12:19 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Running A Stand Alone On A MAC
In-Reply-To: <CAFa8NkijjQ2EnFwA1XV9yKXd9tcwY=y7_ySq_fNWCVNNVLY+Eg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <78DFF19890EB421EB24E4C000762C1F9@TonySeptav>
	<4FE37792.9090300@colbyconsulting.com>
	<026001cd4fe6$5cce51b0$166af510$@winhaven.net>
	<4FE3D911.6000104@colbyconsulting.com>
	<658D7F1752114C4FA50F7CAD7C401852@TonySeptav>
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Message-ID: <4FE3FEB3.8080802@colbyconsulting.com>

My point is not whether something can be done.  The OP mentioned "transparently".

In the case where a nubee is learning a Mac and Parallels and a database running in Windows 7... 
transparently does not include (in my book) having to know all the secret keys of the Mac.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it


On 6/22/2012 12:43 AM, Doug Steele wrote:
> I assume you want to copy?  On a Mac, substitute the 'command' key (four
> leaf clover icon) for the Windows Ctl key.  Works for most of the Windows
> Ctl-whatever keys.
>
> On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 9:36 PM, jwcolby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>wrote:
>
>> Yea maybe.  All I know is I am telling Mike to hit control-C and he is
>> hunting for the ctl key...
>>
>>
>>> Transparent it is, kinda, within the framework of "it's running on a
>> Mac".
>>
>> John W. Colby
>> Colby Consulting
>>
>> Reality is what refuses to go away
>> when you do not believe in it
>>
>>
>> On 6/22/2012 12:12 AM, Darryl Collins wrote:
>>
>>>  From memory (and it has been a long time since I used a Mac regularly -
>>>> indeed, my Mac days were pre Steve Jobs 2nd coming when Macs used to really
>>>> suck) you can use the "Apple" key as a substitute control key, or at least
>>>> that is how it used to be.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Perhaps that has all changed now...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: accessd-bounces@**databaseadvisors.com<accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com>[mailto:
>>> accessd-bounces@**databaseadvisors.com<accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com>]
>>> On Behalf Of jwcolby
>>> Sent: Friday, 22 June 2012 1:45 PM
>>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Running A Stand Alone On A MAC
>>>
>>> My app is an Access Fe written in Access 2003 (along with my frameworks).
>>>   The BE is SQL Server running in my office.  The FE runs on a MAC in my
>>> colleague's office.  His Mac runs a VM inside of which runs Windows 7.  The
>>> FE runs under Access 2007 runtime.  The FE accesses the data over the
>>> internet using Hamachi as a VPN, IOW he runs Hamachi on his system and I
>>> run it on my server, and Hamachi forms a tunnel over the internet.
>>>
>>> You mentioned your client running Access under Windows 7 under Parallels
>>> on a Mac.  I am telling you that we are doing that.
>>>
>>> Transparent it is, kinda, within the framework of "it's running on a
>>> Mac".  Just as an example a Mac
>>> apparently doesn't have a control key.   Hmmm... We Windows folks use the
>>> control key for shortcuts
>>> and stuff.
>>>
>>> John W. Colby
>>> Colby Consulting
>>>
>>> Reality is what refuses to go away
>>> when you do not believe in it
>>>
>>>
>>> On 6/21/2012 10:42 PM, Tony Septav wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hey John
>>>> Haven't got a clue what you are talking about.
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: accessd-bounces@**databaseadvisors.com<accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com>
>>>> [mailto:accessd-bounces@**databaseadvisors.com<accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com>]
>>>> On Behalf Of jwcolby
>>>> Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 7:32 PM
>>>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>>>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Running A Stand Alone On A MAC
>>>>
>>>> This is a smallish runtime FE hitting a SQL Server BE over the web.
>>>>
>>>> John W. Colby
>>>> Colby Consulting
>>>>
>>>> Reality is what refuses to go away
>>>> when you do not believe in it
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 6/21/2012 3:45 PM, John Bartow wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Are these access apps runtimes, per chance, frontend apps with a
>>>>> networked backend db?
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: accessd-bounces@**databaseadvisors.com<accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com>
>>>>> [mailto:accessd-bounces@**databaseadvisors.com<accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com>]
>>>>> On Behalf Of jwcolby
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 2:36 PM
>>>>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>>>>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Running A Stand Alone On A MAC
>>>>>
>>>>> I have a client that does this.  He runs Windows 7 in a virtual
>>>>> machine
>>>>> (parallels) and I do a runtime in that.  It works fine.
>>>>>
>>>>> John W. Colby
>>>>> Colby Consulting
>>>>>
>>>>> Reality is what refuses to go away
>>>>> when you do not believe in it
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 6/21/2012 1:54 PM, Tony Septav wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hey All
>>>>>> This is all new to me. I have a client who has switched from being a
>>>>>> PC user to a MAC user. He is thinking of installing an ACCESS
>>>>>> application I designed for him (for the PC) on his MAC machine. He
>>>>>> is using a program called Parallels to allow him to run Windows on
>>>>>> the MAC.  I guess what I am asking is does anyone know of any
>>>>>> problems (if
>>>>>> any) in trying to this or should it be just simply transparent?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>
>>>>>> T. Septav
>>>>>> MicroCoast Solutions
>>>>>> Nanaimo, BC
>>>>>> Canada
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
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>>>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.**com<http://www.databaseadvisors.com>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
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>>>> -----
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>>>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
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>>



From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Jun 22 00:13:59 2012
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2012 01:13:59 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Running A Stand Alone On A MAC
In-Reply-To: <5370C8AEC4FE49778B66286CEF3FAC15@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <78DFF19890EB421EB24E4C000762C1F9@TonySeptav><4FE37792.9090300@colbyconsulting.com><026001cd4fe6$5cce51b0$166af510$@winhaven.net>
	<4FE3D911.6000104@colbyconsulting.com>
	<5370C8AEC4FE49778B66286CEF3FAC15@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <4FE3FF17.6090303@colbyconsulting.com>

We have been doing this for months.  It works like a charm.  In Windows 7 in Parallels on a Mac... 
well... let's just say I don't know all (any?) of the Mac secret potions.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it


On 6/22/2012 12:28 AM, Jim Lawrence wrote:
> Now what is complex about that?
>
> Now to get it to work reliably is another whole subject.
>
> Jim
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
> Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 7:32 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Running A Stand Alone On A MAC
>
> This is a smallish runtime FE hitting a SQL Server BE over the web.
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
>
> Reality is what refuses to go away
> when you do not believe in it
>
>
> On 6/21/2012 3:45 PM, John Bartow wrote:
>> Are these access apps runtimes, per chance, frontend apps with a networked
>> backend db?
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
>> Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 2:36 PM
>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Running A Stand Alone On A MAC
>>
>> I have a client that does this.  He runs Windows 7 in a virtual machine
>> (parallels) and I do a runtime in that.  It works fine.
>>
>> John W. Colby
>> Colby Consulting
>>
>> Reality is what refuses to go away
>> when you do not believe in it
>>
>>
>> On 6/21/2012 1:54 PM, Tony Septav wrote:
>>> Hey All
>>> This is all new to me. I have a client who has switched from being a
>>> PC user to a MAC user. He is thinking of installing an ACCESS
>>> application I designed for him (for the PC) on his MAC machine. He is
>>> using a program called Parallels to allow him to run Windows on the
>>> MAC.  I guess what I am asking is does anyone know of any problems (if
>>> any) in trying to this or should it be just simply transparent?
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>> T. Septav
>>> MicroCoast Solutions
>>> Nanaimo, BC
>>> Canada
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
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>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>
>
>



From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Jun 22 00:16:15 2012
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2012 01:16:15 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Running A Stand Alone On A MAC
In-Reply-To: <E75925409A2749D3868F88ED23F298D5@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <78DFF19890EB421EB24E4C000762C1F9@TonySeptav><4FE37792.9090300@colbyconsulting.com><026001cd4fe6$5cce51b0$166af510$@winhaven.net>	<4FE3D911.6000104@colbyconsulting.com><658D7F1752114C4FA50F7CAD7C401852@TonySeptav><035f01cd5022$4c3256d0$e4970470$@winhaven.net>
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	<E75925409A2749D3868F88ED23F298D5@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <4FE3FF9F.4060404@colbyconsulting.com>

fascinating.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it


On 6/22/2012 1:04 AM, Jim Lawrence wrote:
> Actually, I find it all very interesting.
>
> It is fun to hear someone articulating a problem in a middle of an very
> complex project.
>
> I tend to not mention anything I do as it would just bore most. Who cares if
> you create a sequential number generator, clock driven and managed to shave
> off thirty percent in processing time. It is really simple but it took two
> days to make it happen. By tomorrow it will be running another twenty
> percent faster. ;-) With a small database of less than a million records but
> twenty five years of data, it will take about 87 hours to process with a
> dedicated system running flat out so I built a processor that runs off the
> keyboard reader and it does a few records in the background on a variety of
> tables, when the operator pauses doing entry...it has been running steadily
> for two weeks now. See I told you it would bore you.
>
> Is it difficult? No not at all, if the problem is broken down into small
> bite sized pieces, taken one chunk at a time, resolved and then move on to
> the next chunk.
>
> My rule is stubborn patience beats smart every time.
>
> Jim
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
> Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 8:46 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Running A Stand Alone On A MAC
>
> ROTFL.  I am lonely sitting all alone in my office in NC.  ;)
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
>
> Reality is what refuses to go away
> when you do not believe in it
>
>
> On 6/21/2012 10:54 PM, John Bartow wrote:
>> Lol! Don't worry Tony, very few people ever understand JC.  He just writes
>> to the list so he can discuss these matters with someone via email, albeit
>> himself <snicker>


From hans.andersen at phulse.com  Fri Jun 22 02:53:22 2012
From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen)
Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2012 00:53:22 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Running A Stand Alone On A MAC
In-Reply-To: <4FE3FEB3.8080802@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <78DFF19890EB421EB24E4C000762C1F9@TonySeptav>
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	<4FE3FEB3.8080802@colbyconsulting.com>
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I don't know for certain how Parallels handles it (i have a 4-5 year old copy of Parallels, but truly never used it, as I ended up realising I didn't need a Windows virtual machine for anything at all in the end), but you usually substitute the CONTROL key on a Windows PC with the COMMAND key on a Mac. So, for instance, the usual copy pasta commands like CONTROL+C is now COMMAND+C, CONTROL+V is now COMMAND+V, CONTROL+X is now COMMAND+X, etc. (The difference between OS X, Linux and WIndows is much smaller than most assume). MS Remote Desktop on the Mac supports this key remapping by default (so I still use the Mac COMMAND+whatever and not forced to switch back to CONTROL+whatever, as one normally would do on a normal Windows machine).

It is possible Parallels does this as well.

Hans



On 2012-06-21, at 10:12 PM, jwcolby wrote:

> My point is not whether something can be done.  The OP mentioned "transparently".
> 
> In the case where a nubee is learning a Mac and Parallels and a database running in Windows 7... transparently does not include (in my book) having to know all the secret keys of the Mac.
> 
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
> 
> Reality is what refuses to go away
> when you do not believe in it
> 
> 
> On 6/22/2012 12:43 AM, Doug Steele wrote:
>> I assume you want to copy?  On a Mac, substitute the 'command' key (four
>> leaf clover icon) for the Windows Ctl key.  Works for most of the Windows
>> Ctl-whatever keys.
>> 
>> On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 9:36 PM, jwcolby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>wrote:
>> 
>>> Yea maybe.  All I know is I am telling Mike to hit control-C and he is
>>> hunting for the ctl key...
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> Transparent it is, kinda, within the framework of "it's running on a
>>> Mac".
>>> 
>>> John W. Colby
>>> Colby Consulting
>>> 
>>> Reality is what refuses to go away
>>> when you do not believe in it
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 6/22/2012 12:12 AM, Darryl Collins wrote:
>>> 
>>>> From memory (and it has been a long time since I used a Mac regularly -
>>>>> indeed, my Mac days were pre Steve Jobs 2nd coming when Macs used to really
>>>>> suck) you can use the "Apple" key as a substitute control key, or at least
>>>>> that is how it used to be.
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Perhaps that has all changed now...
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: accessd-bounces@**databaseadvisors.com<accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com>[mailto:
>>>> accessd-bounces@**databaseadvisors.com<accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com>]
>>>> On Behalf Of jwcolby
>>>> Sent: Friday, 22 June 2012 1:45 PM
>>>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>>>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Running A Stand Alone On A MAC
>>>> 
>>>> My app is an Access Fe written in Access 2003 (along with my frameworks).
>>>>  The BE is SQL Server running in my office.  The FE runs on a MAC in my
>>>> colleague's office.  His Mac runs a VM inside of which runs Windows 7.  The
>>>> FE runs under Access 2007 runtime.  The FE accesses the data over the
>>>> internet using Hamachi as a VPN, IOW he runs Hamachi on his system and I
>>>> run it on my server, and Hamachi forms a tunnel over the internet.
>>>> 
>>>> You mentioned your client running Access under Windows 7 under Parallels
>>>> on a Mac.  I am telling you that we are doing that.
>>>> 
>>>> Transparent it is, kinda, within the framework of "it's running on a
>>>> Mac".  Just as an example a Mac
>>>> apparently doesn't have a control key.   Hmmm... We Windows folks use the
>>>> control key for shortcuts
>>>> and stuff.
>>>> 
>>>> John W. Colby
>>>> Colby Consulting
>>>> 
>>>> Reality is what refuses to go away
>>>> when you do not believe in it
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On 6/21/2012 10:42 PM, Tony Septav wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Hey John
>>>>> Haven't got a clue what you are talking about.
>>>>> 
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: accessd-bounces@**databaseadvisors.com<accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com>
>>>>> [mailto:accessd-bounces@**databaseadvisors.com<accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com>]
>>>>> On Behalf Of jwcolby
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 7:32 PM
>>>>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>>>>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Running A Stand Alone On A MAC
>>>>> 
>>>>> This is a smallish runtime FE hitting a SQL Server BE over the web.
>>>>> 
>>>>> John W. Colby
>>>>> Colby Consulting
>>>>> 
>>>>> Reality is what refuses to go away
>>>>> when you do not believe in it
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 6/21/2012 3:45 PM, John Bartow wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Are these access apps runtimes, per chance, frontend apps with a
>>>>>> networked backend db?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: accessd-bounces@**databaseadvisors.com<accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com>
>>>>>> [mailto:accessd-bounces@**databaseadvisors.com<accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com>]
>>>>>> On Behalf Of jwcolby
>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 2:36 PM
>>>>>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Running A Stand Alone On A MAC
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I have a client that does this.  He runs Windows 7 in a virtual
>>>>>> machine
>>>>>> (parallels) and I do a runtime in that.  It works fine.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> John W. Colby
>>>>>> Colby Consulting
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Reality is what refuses to go away
>>>>>> when you do not believe in it
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 6/21/2012 1:54 PM, Tony Septav wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Hey All
>>>>>>> This is all new to me. I have a client who has switched from being a
>>>>>>> PC user to a MAC user. He is thinking of installing an ACCESS
>>>>>>> application I designed for him (for the PC) on his MAC machine. He
>>>>>>> is using a program called Parallels to allow him to run Windows on
>>>>>>> the MAC.  I guess what I am asking is does anyone know of any
>>>>>>> problems (if
>>>>>>> any) in trying to this or should it be just simply transparent?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> T. Septav
>>>>>>> MicroCoast Solutions
>>>>>>> Nanaimo, BC
>>>>>>> Canada
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
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From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Fri Jun 22 04:51:54 2012
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2012 10:51:54 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] You Guys make Me Sick
In-Reply-To: <AED88903598F47B688B8A9575128EE9D@TonySeptav>
Message-ID: <FCDE27B7EEA646909C44841363092CD5@MINSTER>

ROTFL You echo my thoughts Tony. I scan threads and if there are more than a
couple of words, terms or acronyms that I don't recognise I switch off. Old
dogs and new tricks and all that.

When I posted a couple of Access questions the other week I felt like a real
luddite.

Andy

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tony Septav
Sent: 22 June 2012 00:40
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] You Guys make Me Sick


Hey All
Now that I have your attention. I have had enough, I can't take it anymore.
This list's individuals and their knowledge of the current technologies
being discussed is incredible (somethings I truly do not understand). I feel
like the kid who just got his first radio and who is truly amazed at hearing
voices transmitted over the ether. Then you guys come along and start
talking about a new device that displays the owner of that voice as an image
in 3D. I am feeling really old and figure it is truly time I just buy the
"weeny wagon" and hang out at the beach, gosh I hope the "wave babies" still
excite me. 
 
Tony Septav
MicroCoast Solutions
Nanaimo, BC
Canada
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From marksimms at verizon.net  Fri Jun 22 07:07:03 2012
From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms)
Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2012 08:07:03 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] You Guys make Me Sick
In-Reply-To: <9C6D0C64280048F493FA0E61D1A0FA32@SusanHarkins>
References: <AED88903598F47B688B8A9575128EE9D@TonySeptav>
	<9C6D0C64280048F493FA0E61D1A0FA32@SusanHarkins>
Message-ID: <014001cd506f$8949cec0$9bdd6c40$@net>

Susan - my sentiments EXACTLY. If there was an incentive to do this, I'd do
it.
Alas, with me being at 40% of my aftertax income of 20 years ago,
spending more time learning new tech in this economy is really not worth
it....
Now if I were working for MSFT, APPL, Google, or Facebook.....DIFFERENT
STORY !

> Egad... I must have missed something really ... significant.
>
> I feel old everyday. That's why I play with hawks and owls and impress
> little children. :) If I tried to keep up with the technology, I'd slit
> my
> throat. :( Seriously. I can't do it anymore. I'm going to start writing
> about flowers and birds and screw Microsoft.
>
> Susan H.



From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Jun 22 09:45:29 2012
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2012 10:45:29 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] You Guys make Me Sick
In-Reply-To: <014001cd506f$8949cec0$9bdd6c40$@net>
References: <AED88903598F47B688B8A9575128EE9D@TonySeptav>
	<9C6D0C64280048F493FA0E61D1A0FA32@SusanHarkins>
	<014001cd506f$8949cec0$9bdd6c40$@net>
Message-ID: <4FE48509.7020803@colbyconsulting.com>

It may be just me but I am at about 200% of my income of 20 years ago.  I am not earning that from 
Access however.  C# / SQL Server.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it


On 6/22/2012 8:07 AM, Mark Simms wrote:
> Susan - my sentiments EXACTLY. If there was an incentive to do this, I'd do
> it.
> Alas, with me being at 40% of my aftertax income of 20 years ago,
> spending more time learning new tech in this economy is really not worth
> it....
> Now if I were working for MSFT, APPL, Google, or Facebook.....DIFFERENT
> STORY !
>
>> Egad... I must have missed something really ... significant.
>>
>> I feel old everyday. That's why I play with hawks and owls and impress
>> little children. :) If I tried to keep up with the technology, I'd slit
>> my
>> throat. :( Seriously. I can't do it anymore. I'm going to start writing
>> about flowers and birds and screw Microsoft.
>>
>> Susan H.
>
>



From tinanfields at torchlake.com  Fri Jun 22 10:00:20 2012
From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields)
Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2012 11:00:20 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] You Guys make Me Sick
In-Reply-To: <4FE48509.7020803@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <AED88903598F47B688B8A9575128EE9D@TonySeptav>
	<9C6D0C64280048F493FA0E61D1A0FA32@SusanHarkins>
	<014001cd506f$8949cec0$9bdd6c40$@net>
	<4FE48509.7020803@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <4FE48884.9050808@torchlake.com>

Well, I guess that says it all - we just have to switch development 
tools.  Thanks, John, for the confirmation - 'cause right now, I'm with 
Mark and Susan - much lower income than I was pulling in twenty years 
ago.  Dang!
T

Tina Norris Fields
tinanfields at torchlake.com
231-322-2787

On 6/22/2012 10:45 AM, jwcolby wrote:
> It may be just me but I am at about 200% of my income of 20 years 
> ago.  I am not earning that from Access however.  C# / SQL Server.
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
>
> Reality is what refuses to go away
> when you do not believe in it
>
>
> On 6/22/2012 8:07 AM, Mark Simms wrote:
>> Susan - my sentiments EXACTLY. If there was an incentive to do this, 
>> I'd do
>> it.
>> Alas, with me being at 40% of my aftertax income of 20 years ago,
>> spending more time learning new tech in this economy is really not worth
>> it....
>> Now if I were working for MSFT, APPL, Google, or Facebook.....DIFFERENT
>> STORY !
>>
>>> Egad... I must have missed something really ... significant.
>>>
>>> I feel old everyday. That's why I play with hawks and owls and impress
>>> little children. :) If I tried to keep up with the technology, I'd slit
>>> my
>>> throat. :( Seriously. I can't do it anymore. I'm going to start writing
>>> about flowers and birds and screw Microsoft.
>>>
>>> Susan H.
>>
>>
>
>



From ssharkins at gmail.com  Fri Jun 22 10:26:13 2012
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2012 11:26:13 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] You Guys make Me Sick
References: <AED88903598F47B688B8A9575128EE9D@TonySeptav><9C6D0C64280048F493FA0E61D1A0FA32@SusanHarkins><014001cd506f$8949cec0$9bdd6c40$@net><4FE48509.7020803@colbyconsulting.com>
	<4FE48884.9050808@torchlake.com>
Message-ID: <211404D13EA34407A85D4E85672A16E0@SusanHarkins>

Well, I only work two days a week now -- I can't expect to make as much as I 
use to, but the work dwindled before I decided to semi-retire. Now that 
Apple has decided to make the Internet obsolete (no clue what they're 
talking about) who knows where we'll all end up.

Susan H.


> Well, I guess that says it all - we just have to switch development tools. 
> Thanks, John, for the confirmation - 'cause right now, I'm with Mark and 
> Susan - much lower income than I was pulling in twenty years ago.  Dang!
> T
>


From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Fri Jun 22 10:29:24 2012
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2012 08:29:24 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] You Guys make Me Sick
In-Reply-To: <211404D13EA34407A85D4E85672A16E0@SusanHarkins>
References: <AED88903598F47B688B8A9575128EE9D@TonySeptav><9C6D0C64280048F493FA0E61D1A0FA32@SusanHarkins><014001cd506f$8949cec0$9bdd6c40$@net><4FE48509.7020803@colbyconsulting.com><4FE48884.9050808@torchlake.com>
	<211404D13EA34407A85D4E85672A16E0@SusanHarkins>
Message-ID: <E626F177719B48019FA59726F3E1469A@HAL9007>

We need to redefine yourselves for this stage of life.  Who wants to be a
programmer right up to the last day?

You're going to be a horticulturist and wild life specialist.   I'm going to
be a jazz bassist.   Tina?

Rocky


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: Friday, June 22, 2012 8:26 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] You Guys make Me Sick

Well, I only work two days a week now -- I can't expect to make as much as I
use to, but the work dwindled before I decided to semi-retire. Now that
Apple has decided to make the Internet obsolete (no clue what they're
talking about) who knows where we'll all end up.

Susan H.


> Well, I guess that says it all - we just have to switch development tools.

> Thanks, John, for the confirmation - 'cause right now, I'm with Mark 
> and Susan - much lower income than I was pulling in twenty years ago.
Dang!
> T
>

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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Fri Jun 22 10:30:17 2012
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2012 08:30:17 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] You Guys make Me Sick
In-Reply-To: <4FE48884.9050808@torchlake.com>
References: <AED88903598F47B688B8A9575128EE9D@TonySeptav><9C6D0C64280048F493FA0E61D1A0FA32@SusanHarkins><014001cd506f$8949cec0$9bdd6c40$@net><4FE48509.7020803@colbyconsulting.com>
	<4FE48884.9050808@torchlake.com>
Message-ID: <14A58A7CCA5E49FB9161D6543ACF0709@HAL9007>

My new development tool is the Real Book.  You? :)

R
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina Norris
Fields
Sent: Friday, June 22, 2012 8:00 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] You Guys make Me Sick

Well, I guess that says it all - we just have to switch development tools.
Thanks, John, for the confirmation - 'cause right now, I'm with Mark and
Susan - much lower income than I was pulling in twenty years ago.  Dang!
T

Tina Norris Fields
tinanfields at torchlake.com
231-322-2787

On 6/22/2012 10:45 AM, jwcolby wrote:
> It may be just me but I am at about 200% of my income of 20 years ago.  
> I am not earning that from Access however.  C# / SQL Server.
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
>
> Reality is what refuses to go away
> when you do not believe in it
>
>
> On 6/22/2012 8:07 AM, Mark Simms wrote:
>> Susan - my sentiments EXACTLY. If there was an incentive to do this, 
>> I'd do it.
>> Alas, with me being at 40% of my aftertax income of 20 years ago, 
>> spending more time learning new tech in this economy is really not 
>> worth it....
>> Now if I were working for MSFT, APPL, Google, or 
>> Facebook.....DIFFERENT STORY !
>>
>>> Egad... I must have missed something really ... significant.
>>>
>>> I feel old everyday. That's why I play with hawks and owls and 
>>> impress little children. :) If I tried to keep up with the 
>>> technology, I'd slit my throat. :( Seriously. I can't do it anymore. 
>>> I'm going to start writing about flowers and birds and screw 
>>> Microsoft.
>>>
>>> Susan H.
>>
>>
>
>


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From ssharkins at gmail.com  Fri Jun 22 10:50:20 2012
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2012 11:50:20 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] You Guys make Me Sick
References: <AED88903598F47B688B8A9575128EE9D@TonySeptav><9C6D0C64280048F493FA0E61D1A0FA32@SusanHarkins><014001cd506f$8949cec0$9bdd6c40$@net><4FE48509.7020803@colbyconsulting.com><4FE48884.9050808@torchlake.com><211404D13EA34407A85D4E85672A16E0@SusanHarkins>
	<E626F177719B48019FA59726F3E1469A@HAL9007>
Message-ID: <9DDDD5FBE5054C5B8A5204DE11E824D6@SusanHarkins>

> You're going to be a horticulturist and wild life specialist.   I'm going 
> to
> be a jazz bassist.   Tina?


======I like your definition! ;) Actually, we have a small state university 
here in Frankfort and I'd love to take some landscaping classes -- it's on 
my mind.

Susan H. 


From accessd at shaw.ca  Fri Jun 22 11:13:26 2012
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2012 09:13:26 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] You Guys make Me Sick
In-Reply-To: <E626F177719B48019FA59726F3E1469A@HAL9007>
References: <AED88903598F47B688B8A9575128EE9D@TonySeptav><9C6D0C64280048F493FA0E61D1A0FA32@SusanHarkins><014001cd506f$8949cec0$9bdd6c40$@net><4FE48509.7020803@colbyconsulting.com><4FE48884.9050808@torchlake.com><211404D13EA34407A85D4E85672A16E0@SusanHarkins>
	<E626F177719B48019FA59726F3E1469A@HAL9007>
Message-ID: <A25542687BD84E9B99FA3525F1A332F9@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Actually, I like programming. 

I like doing a tough puzzle or working on some intellectual challenge...now
whether I will make any real money, that's the question but as a
semi-retiree I don't really care so much, as long as I can keep playing with
all these new toys.

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Friday, June 22, 2012 8:29 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] You Guys make Me Sick

We need to redefine yourselves for this stage of life.  Who wants to be a
programmer right up to the last day?

You're going to be a horticulturist and wild life specialist.   I'm going to
be a jazz bassist.   Tina?

Rocky


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: Friday, June 22, 2012 8:26 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] You Guys make Me Sick

Well, I only work two days a week now -- I can't expect to make as much as I
use to, but the work dwindled before I decided to semi-retire. Now that
Apple has decided to make the Internet obsolete (no clue what they're
talking about) who knows where we'll all end up.

Susan H.


> Well, I guess that says it all - we just have to switch development tools.

> Thanks, John, for the confirmation - 'cause right now, I'm with Mark 
> and Susan - much lower income than I was pulling in twenty years ago.
Dang!
> T
>

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From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk  Fri Jun 22 11:10:04 2012
From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid)
Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2012 17:10:04 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] You Guys make Me Sick
Message-ID: <631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB082957BD21CA442@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk>

Susan

Me to. This is where I volunteer

http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/environment/interface-gardeners-cultivate-growing-bond-across-the-divide-14862958.html

Martin


________________________________
From: Susan Harkins
Sent: 22/06/2012 16:50
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] You Guys make Me Sick

> You're going to be a horticulturist and wild life specialist.   I'm going
> to
> be a jazz bassist.   Tina?


======I like your definition! ;) Actually, we have a small state university
here in Frankfort and I'd love to take some landscaping classes -- it's on
my mind.

Susan H.

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From ssharkins at gmail.com  Fri Jun 22 11:21:23 2012
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2012 12:21:23 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] You Guys make Me Sick
References: <631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB082957BD21CA442@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <D178F87610324D0DA85E2819371A0577@SusanHarkins>

Nice! ;)

Urban/community gardens are taking shape over here too. There's the 
controversial "sustainability" push, but I think most people just want a bit 
of control over what they eat. I've got a friend who grows a huge veggie 
garden every year and she doesn't eat a single one -- gives them all away. 
She hates vegetables!

Susan H.


> Susan
>
> Me to. This is where I volunteer
>
> http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/environment/interface-gardeners-cultivate-growing-bond-across-the-divide-14862958.html
>
> Martin


From jimdettman at verizon.net  Fri Jun 22 11:28:51 2012
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2012 12:28:51 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT You Guys make Me Sick
In-Reply-To: <E626F177719B48019FA59726F3E1469A@HAL9007>
References: <AED88903598F47B688B8A9575128EE9D@TonySeptav><9C6D0C64280048F493FA0E61D1A0FA32@SusanHarkins><014001cd506f$8949cec0$9bdd6c40$@net><4FE48509.7020803@colbyconsulting.com><4FE48884.9050808@torchlake.com>
	<211404D13EA34407A85D4E85672A16E0@SusanHarkins>
	<E626F177719B48019FA59726F3E1469A@HAL9007>
Message-ID: <28A92B1E34D444339EF6008316607FE7@XPS>


  I feel the same as all of you; it's really hard to keep up.  However
unlike the rest of you, I'm still making a decent living with Access, which
is really scary.  Have tried to move onto something else for the past 4-5
years, but I never quite get there.  Keep getting dragged back to Access.

  I'd love to redefine myself, but to what I'm not sure<g>.

  Have gotten back into off-road racing, but that doesn't pay well and I was
never very good at it to start with.   Add to that that I'm now over 50, and
it's defiantly a "no-win" situation as a life choice (and that's literally
LOL).

Jim.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Friday, June 22, 2012 11:29 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] You Guys make Me Sick

We need to redefine yourselves for this stage of life.  Who wants to be a
programmer right up to the last day?

You're going to be a horticulturist and wild life specialist.   I'm going to
be a jazz bassist.   Tina?

Rocky


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: Friday, June 22, 2012 8:26 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] You Guys make Me Sick

Well, I only work two days a week now -- I can't expect to make as much as I
use to, but the work dwindled before I decided to semi-retire. Now that
Apple has decided to make the Internet obsolete (no clue what they're
talking about) who knows where we'll all end up.

Susan H.


> Well, I guess that says it all - we just have to switch development tools.

> Thanks, John, for the confirmation - 'cause right now, I'm with Mark 
> and Susan - much lower income than I was pulling in twenty years ago.
Dang!
> T
>

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From gustav at cactus.dk  Fri Jun 22 11:38:41 2012
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2012 18:38:41 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] You Guys make Me Sick
Message-ID: <sfe4bbc0.007@cactus.dk>

Hi Jim

Yes, I love it too. Can't imagine I'll stop programming at some level until fingers reject typing or - at that time - the computer can't understand my mumbling voice from my teeth-less organ.

/gustav


>>> accessd at shaw.ca 22-06-12 18:13 >>>
Actually, I like programming. 

I like doing a tough puzzle or working on some intellectual challenge...now
whether I will make any real money, that's the question but as a
semi-retiree I don't really care so much, as long as I can keep playing with
all these new toys.

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Friday, June 22, 2012 8:29 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] You Guys make Me Sick

We need to redefine yourselves for this stage of life.  Who wants to be a programmer right up to the last day?

You're going to be a horticulturist and wild life specialist.   I'm going to be a jazz bassist.   Tina?

Rocky


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: Friday, June 22, 2012 8:26 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] You Guys make Me Sick

Well, I only work two days a week now -- I can't expect to make as much as I use to, but the work dwindled before I decided to semi-retire. Now that Apple has decided to make the Internet obsolete (no clue what they're talking about) who knows where we'll all end up.

Susan H.


> Well, I guess that says it all - we just have to switch development tools.

> Thanks, John, for the confirmation - 'cause right now, I'm with Mark 
> and Susan - much lower income than I was pulling in twenty years ago.
Dang!
> T


From hans.andersen at phulse.com  Fri Jun 22 11:47:39 2012
From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen)
Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2012 09:47:39 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OT You Guys make Me Sick
In-Reply-To: <28A92B1E34D444339EF6008316607FE7@XPS>
References: <AED88903598F47B688B8A9575128EE9D@TonySeptav><9C6D0C64280048F493FA0E61D1A0FA32@SusanHarkins><014001cd506f$8949cec0$9bdd6c40$@net><4FE48509.7020803@colbyconsulting.com><4FE48884.9050808@torchlake.com>
	<211404D13EA34407A85D4E85672A16E0@SusanHarkins>
	<E626F177719B48019FA59726F3E1469A@HAL9007>
	<28A92B1E34D444339EF6008316607FE7@XPS>
Message-ID: <ED5B6929-626C-44A9-A57D-8DCBE9EA1678@phulse.com>


I had to double check which Jim emailed this as soon as I got to the bit about off-road racing.

There's too many Jims here in this mailing list to just sign off your emails with just plain "Jim". :)

Hans (the only Hans here I assume?)


On 2012-06-22, at 9:28 AM, Jim Dettman wrote:

> 
>  I feel the same as all of you; it's really hard to keep up.  However
> unlike the rest of you, I'm still making a decent living with Access, which
> is really scary.  Have tried to move onto something else for the past 4-5
> years, but I never quite get there.  Keep getting dragged back to Access.
> 
>  I'd love to redefine myself, but to what I'm not sure<g>.
> 
>  Have gotten back into off-road racing, but that doesn't pay well and I was
> never very good at it to start with.   Add to that that I'm now over 50, and
> it's defiantly a "no-win" situation as a life choice (and that's literally
> LOL).
> 
> Jim.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
> Sent: Friday, June 22, 2012 11:29 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] You Guys make Me Sick
> 
> We need to redefine yourselves for this stage of life.  Who wants to be a
> programmer right up to the last day?
> 
> You're going to be a horticulturist and wild life specialist.   I'm going to
> be a jazz bassist.   Tina?
> 
> Rocky
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
> Sent: Friday, June 22, 2012 8:26 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] You Guys make Me Sick
> 
> Well, I only work two days a week now -- I can't expect to make as much as I
> use to, but the work dwindled before I decided to semi-retire. Now that
> Apple has decided to make the Internet obsolete (no clue what they're
> talking about) who knows where we'll all end up.
> 
> Susan H.
> 
> 
>> Well, I guess that says it all - we just have to switch development tools.
> 
>> Thanks, John, for the confirmation - 'cause right now, I'm with Mark 
>> and Susan - much lower income than I was pulling in twenty years ago.
> Dang!
>> T
>> 
> 
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 
> -- 
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> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 
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> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com



From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Jun 22 13:48:49 2012
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2012 14:48:49 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] You Guys make Me Sick
In-Reply-To: <FCDE27B7EEA646909C44841363092CD5@MINSTER>
References: <FCDE27B7EEA646909C44841363092CD5@MINSTER>
Message-ID: <4FE4BE11.1040307@colbyconsulting.com>

The sad fact is that our business is technology.  We can get far more done today than ever because 
of the technology available but it does require constant learning to allow us to use it.

A simple example is virtual machines and virtual private networks.  I use a VM hosted on my server 
here at the office with a VPN to host a database back end.  I install an Access FE out on a computer 
somewhere in the world and it uses a data store over the internet in my office.  That is cool stuff.

It was not easy to set up but now that it is up it just works.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it


On 6/22/2012 5:51 AM, Andy Lacey wrote:
> ROTFL You echo my thoughts Tony. I scan threads and if there are more than a
> couple of words, terms or acronyms that I don't recognise I switch off. Old
> dogs and new tricks and all that.
>
> When I posted a couple of Access questions the other week I felt like a real
> luddite.
>
> Andy
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tony Septav
> Sent: 22 June 2012 00:40
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: [AccessD] You Guys make Me Sick
>
>
> Hey All
> Now that I have your attention. I have had enough, I can't take it anymore.
> This list's individuals and their knowledge of the current technologies
> being discussed is incredible (somethings I truly do not understand). I feel
> like the kid who just got his first radio and who is truly amazed at hearing
> voices transmitted over the ether. Then you guys come along and start
> talking about a new device that displays the owner of that voice as an image
> in 3D. I am feeling really old and figure it is truly time I just buy the
> "weeny wagon" and hang out at the beach, gosh I hope the "wave babies" still
> excite me.
>
> Tony Septav
> MicroCoast Solutions
> Nanaimo, BC
> Canada
>



From TSeptav at uniserve.com  Fri Jun 22 14:09:22 2012
From: TSeptav at uniserve.com (Tony Septav)
Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2012 12:09:22 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] You Guys make Me Sick
Message-ID: <BAA0152140A7484498E510B760EA3CE7@TonySeptav>

Hey All
Well after reading what the old dogs have been discussing, I made a
decision. I sold my IPod and the Cell Phones and loaded up the the freezer
with Oscars (I lie I do not own any of the above technologies). Just putting
the final touches on the Weeny wagon. I am now looking forward to the day
when I can sit, with my feet in the sand, and mindlessly stare out over the
the waters of the Pacific with not a care in the world and sell sell burnt
animal flesh to the hungry passerby. As far as the "wave babies" are
concerned at my age I realize I can look but as far as touching those days
are gone. 
 
Ahhh the summer dream.
Ooooops! Darn just got a phone message from a client.

From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Fri Jun 22 16:15:30 2012
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2012 07:15:30 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] You Guys make Me Sick
In-Reply-To: <4FE48509.7020803@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <AED88903598F47B688B8A9575128EE9D@TonySeptav>,
	<014001cd506f$8949cec0$9bdd6c40$@net>,
	<4FE48509.7020803@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <4FE4E072.19665.1344175B@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

Are we talking dollars or inflation adjusted "real terms" :)

-- 
Stuart

On 22 Jun 2012 at 10:45, jwcolby wrote:

> It may be just me but I am at about 200% of my income of 20 years ago.  I am not earning that from 
> Access however.  C# / SQL Server.
> 
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
> 
> Reality is what refuses to go away
> when you do not believe in it
> 
> 
> On 6/22/2012 8:07 AM, Mark Simms wrote:
> > Susan - my sentiments EXACTLY. If there was an incentive to do this, I'd do
> > it.
> > Alas, with me being at 40% of my aftertax income of 20 years ago,
> > spending more time learning new tech in this economy is really not worth
> > it....
> > Now if I were working for MSFT, APPL, Google, or Facebook.....DIFFERENT
> > STORY !
> >
> >> Egad... I must have missed something really ... significant.
> >>
> >> I feel old everyday. That's why I play with hawks and owls and impress
> >> little children. :) If I tried to keep up with the technology, I'd slit
> >> my
> >> throat. :( Seriously. I can't do it anymore. I'm going to start writing
> >> about flowers and birds and screw Microsoft.
> >>
> >> Susan H.
> >
> >
> 
> 
> -- 
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> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 



From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Fri Jun 22 16:19:00 2012
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2012 07:19:00 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] You Guys make Me Sick
In-Reply-To: <E626F177719B48019FA59726F3E1469A@HAL9007>
References: <AED88903598F47B688B8A9575128EE9D@TonySeptav>,
	<211404D13EA34407A85D4E85672A16E0@SusanHarkins>,
	<E626F177719B48019FA59726F3E1469A@HAL9007>
Message-ID: <4FE4E144.15481.13474B37@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

Me!   It's a hobby/vocation - not just a job.  :-)

Although the revenue potential in Access type application development is why I have 
branched out into domain hosting and web development as well.


-- 
Stuart

On 22 Jun 2012 at 8:29, Rocky Smolin wrote:

> We need to redefine yourselves for this stage of life.  Who wants to be a
> programmer right up to the last day?
> 


From marksimms at verizon.net  Fri Jun 22 17:33:29 2012
From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms)
Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2012 18:33:29 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] You Guys make Me Sick
In-Reply-To: <4FE48509.7020803@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <AED88903598F47B688B8A9575128EE9D@TonySeptav>
	<9C6D0C64280048F493FA0E61D1A0FA32@SusanHarkins>
	<014001cd506f$8949cec0$9bdd6c40$@net>
	<4FE48509.7020803@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <00c401cd50c7$0c4317d0$24c94770$@net>

I tried desperately to go into Business Intelligence/Analytics...and wean
myself from Excel/Access VBA.
I just couldn't pull it off...major reason: met with an avalanche of
Indian's in the same space.
Another reason: every potential engagement came with a huge set of "must
have" requirements...
and I usually was a little short of one or two of them.
This is what you call a very difficult and unforgiving tech job marketplace.
If you've got all of the in-demand skills, you're in good shape.
Otherwise, you are bottom-feeding.

Recent comments/stats on Programmers Guild online forum:
2012 College Grads with Law degrees at the lowest employment percentage
placement in decades: 85%
2012 STEM Grads (Science,Tech,Engineering,Math) are at 50% which is a high
from 40% of 3 years ago.
Grim stats for American techies for sure. And those lawyers(lobbiests) are
responsible for this situation.

>
> It may be just me but I am at about 200% of my income of 20 years ago.
> I am not earning that from
> Access however.  C# / SQL Server.
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting



From davidmcafee at gmail.com  Fri Jun 22 18:06:28 2012
From: davidmcafee at gmail.com (David McAfee)
Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2012 16:06:28 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] You Guys make Me Sick
In-Reply-To: <00c401cd50c7$0c4317d0$24c94770$@net>
References: <AED88903598F47B688B8A9575128EE9D@TonySeptav>
	<9C6D0C64280048F493FA0E61D1A0FA32@SusanHarkins>
	<014001cd506f$8949cec0$9bdd6c40$@net>
	<4FE48509.7020803@colbyconsulting.com>
	<00c401cd50c7$0c4317d0$24c94770$@net>
Message-ID: <CAMhYZWZryOZCDHjN+PR_1Y8=_t=pTdCfwZ8-=D4ZcAh_GLEcMg@mail.gmail.com>

I've experienced the same thing. Both as the interviewers and interviewees.

I've used SSIS and DTS for import processes.

I've been asked if I've used it for anything else.

What other reasons are there to use it?

There hasn't been a need for me to do something in a different manner.

D

On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 3:33 PM, Mark Simms <marksimms at verizon.net> wrote:

> I tried desperately to go into Business Intelligence/Analytics...and wean
> myself from Excel/Access VBA.
> I just couldn't pull it off...major reason: met with an avalanche of
> Indian's in the same space.
> Another reason: every potential engagement came with a huge set of "must
> have" requirements...
> and I usually was a little short of one or two of them.
> This is what you call a very difficult and unforgiving tech job
> marketplace.
> If you've got all of the in-demand skills, you're in good shape.
> Otherwise, you are bottom-feeding.
>
> Recent comments/stats on Programmers Guild online forum:
> 2012 College Grads with Law degrees at the lowest employment percentage
> placement in decades: 85%
> 2012 STEM Grads (Science,Tech,Engineering,Math) are at 50% which is a high
> from 40% of 3 years ago.
> Grim stats for American techies for sure. And those lawyers(lobbiests) are
> responsible for this situation.
>
> >
> > It may be just me but I am at about 200% of my income of 20 years ago.
> > I am not earning that from
> > Access however.  C# / SQL Server.
> >
> > John W. Colby
> > Colby Consulting
>
>
> --
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> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>

From ssharkins at gmail.com  Fri Jun 22 20:35:15 2012
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2012 21:35:15 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Office 365 Re:  You Guys make Me Sick
References: <AED88903598F47B688B8A9575128EE9D@TonySeptav><9C6D0C64280048F493FA0E61D1A0FA32@SusanHarkins><014001cd506f$8949cec0$9bdd6c40$@net><4FE48509.7020803@colbyconsulting.com><00c401cd50c7$0c4317d0$24c94770$@net>
	<CAMhYZWZryOZCDHjN+PR_1Y8=_t=pTdCfwZ8-=D4ZcAh_GLEcMg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <D58C67A2170043A5AFC49A49220DD6D5@SusanHarkins>

Speaking of new technologies -- do any of you see much development 
opportunity with the new Office 365? I don't mean consulting -- I'm 
wondering about traditional development.

Ssan H.


> I've experienced the same thing. Both as the interviewers and 
> interviewees.
>
> I've used SSIS and DTS for import processes.
>
> I've been asked if I've used it for anything else.
>
> What other reasons are there to use it?
>
> There hasn't been a need for me to do something in a different manner.
>


From hans.andersen at phulse.com  Fri Jun 22 20:57:57 2012
From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen)
Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2012 18:57:57 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Office 365 Re:  You Guys make Me Sick
In-Reply-To: <D58C67A2170043A5AFC49A49220DD6D5@SusanHarkins>
References: <AED88903598F47B688B8A9575128EE9D@TonySeptav>
	<9C6D0C64280048F493FA0E61D1A0FA32@SusanHarkins>
	<014001cd506f$8949cec0$9bdd6c40$@net>
	<4FE48509.7020803@colbyconsulting.com>
	<00c401cd50c7$0c4317d0$24c94770$@net>
	<CAMhYZWZryOZCDHjN+PR_1Y8=_t=pTdCfwZ8-=D4ZcAh_GLEcMg@mail.gmail.com>
	<D58C67A2170043A5AFC49A49220DD6D5@SusanHarkins>
Message-ID: <2AD45B29-5FC3-4781-90AF-0A9205442830@phulse.com>

Do you mean something like integration with internal tools/processes?

- Hans

Sent from my iPhone

On 2012-06-22, at 6:35 PM, "Susan Harkins" <ssharkins at gmail.com> wrote:

> Speaking of new technologies -- do any of you see much development opportunity with the new Office 365? I don't mean consulting -- I'm wondering about traditional development.
> 
> Ssan H.
> 
> 
>> I've experienced the same thing. Both as the interviewers and interviewees.
>> 
>> I've used SSIS and DTS for import processes.
>> 
>> I've been asked if I've used it for anything else.
>> 
>> What other reasons are there to use it?
>> 
>> There hasn't been a need for me to do something in a different manner.
>> 
> 
> -- 
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com


From ssharkins at gmail.com  Fri Jun 22 21:10:35 2012
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2012 22:10:35 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Office 365 Re:  You Guys make Me Sick
References: <AED88903598F47B688B8A9575128EE9D@TonySeptav><9C6D0C64280048F493FA0E61D1A0FA32@SusanHarkins><014001cd506f$8949cec0$9bdd6c40$@net><4FE48509.7020803@colbyconsulting.com><00c401cd50c7$0c4317d0$24c94770$@net><CAMhYZWZryOZCDHjN+PR_1Y8=_t=pTdCfwZ8-=D4ZcAh_GLEcMg@mail.gmail.com><D58C67A2170043A5AFC49A49220DD6D5@SusanHarkins>
	<2AD45B29-5FC3-4781-90AF-0A9205442830@phulse.com>
Message-ID: <46742D7354BC4CF3A10A7129BBAF879A@SusanHarkins>

Anything really -- is there any potential for developers to support it?

Susan H.


> Do you mean something like integration with internal tools/processes?
>
> - Hans
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On 2012-06-22, at 6:35 PM, "Susan Harkins" <ssharkins at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Speaking of new technologies -- do any of you see much development 
>> opportunity with the new Office 365? I don't mean consulting -- I'm 
>> wondering about traditional development.
>>


From ssharkins at gmail.com  Fri Jun 22 21:13:44 2012
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2012 22:13:44 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Fw:  Office 365 Re:  You Guys make Me Sick
Message-ID: <2C608E8B1F154029A1813429E1B6B9A8@SusanHarkins>

Aside from SharePoint I guess I should say -- I hope that makes sense. 
Development all seems to within SharePoint, as far as I can see -- I haven't 
subscribed or anything, so I'm guessing, based on what I've read.

Susan H.


> Anything really -- is there any potential for developers to support it?
>
> Susan H.
>
>
>> Do you mean something like integration with internal tools/processes?
>>
>> - Hans
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On 2012-06-22, at 6:35 PM, "Susan Harkins" <ssharkins at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Speaking of new technologies -- do any of you see much development 
>>> opportunity with the new Office 365? I don't mean consulting -- I'm 
>>> wondering about traditional development.
>>>
> 


From marksimms at verizon.net  Fri Jun 22 21:33:39 2012
From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms)
Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2012 22:33:39 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Fw:  Office 365 Re:  You Guys make Me Sick
In-Reply-To: <2C608E8B1F154029A1813429E1B6B9A8@SusanHarkins>
References: <2C608E8B1F154029A1813429E1B6B9A8@SusanHarkins>
Message-ID: <000901cd50e8$99685a00$cc390e00$@net>

The big potential of Office 365 is imminent...it will soon support all of
Sharepoint 2010's functionality.
It took quite a while for that to happen.
Office 365 is a biggie...if you know the limitations.
Sorry, I haven't done my full research yet.
One thing I discovered was that Office 365's search does support PDF
documents.
Sounds tiny, but for me, that was huge.
Again, Access is supported in this environment with the right licensing
option (there are several)...
However, you are stuck with the limited macro version which disables all
VBA.


> Aside from SharePoint I guess I should say -- I hope that makes sense.
> Development all seems to within SharePoint, as far as I can see -- I
> haven't
> subscribed or anything, so I'm guessing, based on what I've read.
>
> Susan H.
>
>
> > Anything really -- is there any potential for developers to support
> it?
> >
> > Susan H.
> >
> >
> >> Do you mean something like integration with internal
> tools/processes?
> >>
> >> - Hans
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >>
> >> On 2012-06-22, at 6:35 PM, "Susan Harkins" <ssharkins at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Speaking of new technologies -- do any of you see much development
> >>> opportunity with the new Office 365? I don't mean consulting -- I'm
> >>> wondering about traditional development.
> >>>
> >
>
> --
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> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com



From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk  Sat Jun 23 01:58:35 2012
From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid)
Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2012 07:58:35 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Fw:  Office 365 Re:  You Guys make Me Sick
Message-ID: <631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB082957BD21CA444@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk>

We will be. We are moving a lot of services out to 365 and will blend it with our internal portals.

Martin

Sent from my Windows Phone
________________________________
From: Mark Simms
Sent: 23/06/2012 03:35
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Fw:  Office 365 Re:  You Guys make Me Sick

The big potential of Office 365 is imminent...it will soon support all of
Sharepoint 2010's functionality.
It took quite a while for that to happen.
Office 365 is a biggie...if you know the limitations.
Sorry, I haven't done my full research yet.
One thing I discovered was that Office 365's search does support PDF
documents.
Sounds tiny, but for me, that was huge.
Again, Access is supported in this environment with the right licensing
option (there are several)...
However, you are stuck with the limited macro version which disables all
VBA.


> Aside from SharePoint I guess I should say -- I hope that makes sense.
> Development all seems to within SharePoint, as far as I can see -- I
> haven't
> subscribed or anything, so I'm guessing, based on what I've read.
>
> Susan H.
>
>
> > Anything really -- is there any potential for developers to support
> it?
> >
> > Susan H.
> >
> >
> >> Do you mean something like integration with internal
> tools/processes?
> >>
> >> - Hans
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >>
> >> On 2012-06-22, at 6:35 PM, "Susan Harkins" <ssharkins at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Speaking of new technologies -- do any of you see much development
> >>> opportunity with the new Office 365? I don't mean consulting -- I'm
> >>> wondering about traditional development.
> >>>
> >
>
> --
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> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com


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From Benson at ge.com  Sat Jun 23 02:57:09 2012
From: Benson at ge.com (Benson, William (GE Global Research, consultant))
Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2012 07:57:09 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Fw:  Office 365 Re:  You Guys make Me Sick
In-Reply-To: <631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB082957BD21CA444@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk>
References: <631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB082957BD21CA444@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <93D10F008B998B4A83BCA855A33EEF372C801E8B@CINMBCNA01.e2k.ad.ge.com>

>> However, you are stuck with the limited macro version which disables all VBA.

I would not touch Access without VBA. I couldn't imagine working without recordsets, working with recordsetclones for finding records on subforms, etc.

Phtuey!



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Martin Reid
Sent: Saturday, June 23, 2012 2:59 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Fw: Office 365 Re: You Guys make Me Sick

We will be. We are moving a lot of services out to 365 and will blend it with our internal portals.

Martin

Sent from my Windows Phone
________________________________
From: Mark Simms
Sent: 23/06/2012 03:35
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Fw:  Office 365 Re:  You Guys make Me Sick

The big potential of Office 365 is imminent...it will soon support all of Sharepoint 2010's functionality.
It took quite a while for that to happen.
Office 365 is a biggie...if you know the limitations.
Sorry, I haven't done my full research yet.
One thing I discovered was that Office 365's search does support PDF documents.
Sounds tiny, but for me, that was huge.
Again, Access is supported in this environment with the right licensing option (there are several)...
However, you are stuck with the limited macro version which disables all VBA.


> Aside from SharePoint I guess I should say -- I hope that makes sense.
> Development all seems to within SharePoint, as far as I can see -- I 
> haven't subscribed or anything, so I'm guessing, based on what I've 
> read.
>
> Susan H.
>
>
> > Anything really -- is there any potential for developers to support
> it?
> >
> > Susan H.
> >
> >
> >> Do you mean something like integration with internal
> tools/processes?
> >>
> >> - Hans
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >>
> >> On 2012-06-22, at 6:35 PM, "Susan Harkins" <ssharkins at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Speaking of new technologies -- do any of you see much development 
> >>> opportunity with the new Office 365? I don't mean consulting -- 
> >>> I'm wondering about traditional development.
> >>>
> >
>
> --
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> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com


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From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk  Sat Jun 23 05:14:37 2012
From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid)
Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2012 11:14:37 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Fw:  Office 365 Re:  You Guys make Me Sick
Message-ID: <631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB082957BD21CA446@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk>

We nolonger use access. SharePoint c# SQL server etc

Martin

Sent from my Windows Phone
________________________________
From: Benson, William (GE Global Research, consultant)
Sent: 23/06/2012 08:58
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Fw:  Office 365 Re:  You Guys make Me Sick

>> However, you are stuck with the limited macro version which disables all VBA.

I would not touch Access without VBA. I couldn't imagine working without recordsets, working with recordsetclones for finding records on subforms, etc.

Phtuey!



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Martin Reid
Sent: Saturday, June 23, 2012 2:59 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Fw: Office 365 Re: You Guys make Me Sick

We will be. We are moving a lot of services out to 365 and will blend it with our internal portals.

Martin

Sent from my Windows Phone
________________________________
From: Mark Simms
Sent: 23/06/2012 03:35
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Fw:  Office 365 Re:  You Guys make Me Sick

The big potential of Office 365 is imminent...it will soon support all of Sharepoint 2010's functionality.
It took quite a while for that to happen.
Office 365 is a biggie...if you know the limitations.
Sorry, I haven't done my full research yet.
One thing I discovered was that Office 365's search does support PDF documents.
Sounds tiny, but for me, that was huge.
Again, Access is supported in this environment with the right licensing option (there are several)...
However, you are stuck with the limited macro version which disables all VBA.


> Aside from SharePoint I guess I should say -- I hope that makes sense.
> Development all seems to within SharePoint, as far as I can see -- I
> haven't subscribed or anything, so I'm guessing, based on what I've
> read.
>
> Susan H.
>
>
> > Anything really -- is there any potential for developers to support
> it?
> >
> > Susan H.
> >
> >
> >> Do you mean something like integration with internal
> tools/processes?
> >>
> >> - Hans
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >>
> >> On 2012-06-22, at 6:35 PM, "Susan Harkins" <ssharkins at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Speaking of new technologies -- do any of you see much development
> >>> opportunity with the new Office 365? I don't mean consulting --
> >>> I'm wondering about traditional development.
> >>>
> >
>
> --
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> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com


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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sat Jun 23 08:16:27 2012
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2012 09:16:27 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Fw:  Office 365 Re:  You Guys make Me Sick
In-Reply-To: <631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB082957BD21CA446@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk>
References: <631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB082957BD21CA446@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <4FE5C1AB.8010606@colbyconsulting.com>

And that pretty much sums it up eh?

;)

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it


On 6/23/2012 6:14 AM, Martin Reid wrote:
> We nolonger use access. SharePoint c# SQL server etc
>
> Martin
>
> Sent from my Windows Phone
> ________________________________
> From: Benson, William (GE Global Research, consultant)
> Sent: 23/06/2012 08:58
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Fw:  Office 365 Re:  You Guys make Me Sick
>
>>> However, you are stuck with the limited macro version which disables all VBA.
>
> I would not touch Access without VBA. I couldn't imagine working without recordsets, working with recordsetclones for finding records on subforms, etc.
>
> Phtuey!
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Martin Reid
> Sent: Saturday, June 23, 2012 2:59 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Fw: Office 365 Re: You Guys make Me Sick
>
> We will be. We are moving a lot of services out to 365 and will blend it with our internal portals.
>
> Martin
>
> Sent from my Windows Phone
> ________________________________
> From: Mark Simms
> Sent: 23/06/2012 03:35
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Fw:  Office 365 Re:  You Guys make Me Sick
>
> The big potential of Office 365 is imminent...it will soon support all of Sharepoint 2010's functionality.
> It took quite a while for that to happen.
> Office 365 is a biggie...if you know the limitations.
> Sorry, I haven't done my full research yet.
> One thing I discovered was that Office 365's search does support PDF documents.
> Sounds tiny, but for me, that was huge.
> Again, Access is supported in this environment with the right licensing option (there are several)...
> However, you are stuck with the limited macro version which disables all VBA.
>
>
>> Aside from SharePoint I guess I should say -- I hope that makes sense.
>> Development all seems to within SharePoint, as far as I can see -- I
>> haven't subscribed or anything, so I'm guessing, based on what I've
>> read.
>>
>> Susan H.
>>
>>
>>> Anything really -- is there any potential for developers to support
>> it?
>>>
>>> Susan H.
>>>
>>>
>>>> Do you mean something like integration with internal
>> tools/processes?
>>>>
>>>> - Hans
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>> On 2012-06-22, at 6:35 PM, "Susan Harkins" <ssharkins at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Speaking of new technologies -- do any of you see much development
>>>>> opportunity with the new Office 365? I don't mean consulting --
>>>>> I'm wondering about traditional development.
>>>>>
>>>
>>
>> --
>> AccessD mailing list
>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>
> --
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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Sat Jun 23 12:08:00 2012
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2012 13:08:00 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] You Guys make Me Sick
In-Reply-To: <CAMhYZWZryOZCDHjN+PR_1Y8=_t=pTdCfwZ8-=D4ZcAh_GLEcMg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AED88903598F47B688B8A9575128EE9D@TonySeptav>
	<9C6D0C64280048F493FA0E61D1A0FA32@SusanHarkins>
	<014001cd506f$8949cec0$9bdd6c40$@net>
	<4FE48509.7020803@colbyconsulting.com>
	<00c401cd50c7$0c4317d0$24c94770$@net>
	<CAMhYZWZryOZCDHjN+PR_1Y8=_t=pTdCfwZ8-=D4ZcAh_GLEcMg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1iGH2E7xp-U5=fu_wn4DWzmyGvxmQyDYUtwREs5LrVgKw@mail.gmail.com>

I guess this entire group senses that we're at a Senior Moment. I've
checked out several new languages to learn, and finally after much to
forget computer languages and instead learn Mandarin.

Currently, I have the basics down, including the tones, but I have a long
way to go before I could write something in Mandarin. From the alphabetic
perspective, learning the writing scheme is a huge leap. I read a wonderful
book called "The Man Who Loved China", about a man called Richard Needham,
who learned to read, speak and write Mandarin in *one* year. Subsequently
he became the world's foremost scholar on the history of China and Chinese
science and culture.

I am in awe of his first achievement, let alone the rest. I am in Year
Three of trying and still can barely carry a polite dinner-party
conversation. Writing about science or history in Mandarin -- well let's
just say I don't have that many years left.

Had I embarked upon this project when 20yo, I might have obtained different
results. At age 64. the learning is a lot slower, whether it's Mandarin or
.NET.

Given my age, I concluded that I am unlikely to be hired as a .NET or PHP
programmer; the only deep skill I have left is SQL Server and MySQL (and of
course Access), for which, fortunately, there remain opportunities. In SQL
Server and MySQL, I try to stay abreast; in Access I am a version -- soon
to be two -- behind. Staying abreast of SQL Server is itself is a huge
project.

The rest of the time I want to devote to learning Mandarin, reading The New
York Review of Books, various novels and non-fiction books (current reads
include "Reamde" by Neal Stephenson, "Ruby on Rails Bible", "The Hot Kid"
by Elmore Leonard, and the second edition of "The Selfish Gene", by Richard
Dawkins. That's the list for the next ten days; I read all of them a bit
per day.

I ought to add that I'm also trying to learn Alpha Five v11, and also
spending some time watching its tutorial vids and trying things out.

Currently I have a part-time gig done remotely, a few hours a week. It
boosts my income modestly and I am happy to devote so relatively little to
a project. Of course, this is a myth, since some of both my waking and
sleeping hours (unbillable) are devoted to reconsidering problems related
to the project. However, this is the life we have chosen. Develop or die!
Semper fi!

Arthur

From dw-murphy at cox.net  Sat Jun 23 13:11:03 2012
From: dw-murphy at cox.net (Doug Murphy)
Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2012 11:11:03 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Fw:  Office 365 Re:  You Guys make Me Sick
In-Reply-To: <000901cd50e8$99685a00$cc390e00$@net>
References: <2C608E8B1F154029A1813429E1B6B9A8@SusanHarkins>
	<000901cd50e8$99685a00$cc390e00$@net>
Message-ID: <004e01cd516b$8d7b7000$a8725000$@cox.net>

Actually you can use vba if you keep the front end on the client and link to
the SP lists in 365. I am not impressed that SP lists are limited to
something like 10,000 rows. Hopefully that will be upped so some serious
storage can be implemented.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Simms
Sent: Friday, June 22, 2012 7:34 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Fw: Office 365 Re: You Guys make Me Sick

The big potential of Office 365 is imminent...it will soon support all of
Sharepoint 2010's functionality.
It took quite a while for that to happen.
Office 365 is a biggie...if you know the limitations.
Sorry, I haven't done my full research yet.
One thing I discovered was that Office 365's search does support PDF
documents.
Sounds tiny, but for me, that was huge.
Again, Access is supported in this environment with the right licensing
option (there are several)...
However, you are stuck with the limited macro version which disables all
VBA.


> Aside from SharePoint I guess I should say -- I hope that makes sense.
> Development all seems to within SharePoint, as far as I can see -- I 
> haven't subscribed or anything, so I'm guessing, based on what I've 
> read.
>
> Susan H.
>
>
> > Anything really -- is there any potential for developers to support
> it?
> >
> > Susan H.
> >
> >
> >> Do you mean something like integration with internal
> tools/processes?
> >>
> >> - Hans
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >>
> >> On 2012-06-22, at 6:35 PM, "Susan Harkins" <ssharkins at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Speaking of new technologies -- do any of you see much development 
> >>> opportunity with the new Office 365? I don't mean consulting -- 
> >>> I'm wondering about traditional development.
> >>>
> >
>
> --
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From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk  Sat Jun 23 13:20:12 2012
From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid)
Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2012 19:20:12 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Fw:  Office 365 Re:  You Guys make Me Sick
Message-ID: <631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB082957BD21CA448@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk>

We have lists with millions of items.

We also have some serious hardware.


Martin

Sent from my Windows Phone
________________________________
From: Doug Murphy
Sent: 23/06/2012 19:14
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Fw:  Office 365 Re:  You Guys make Me Sick

Actually you can use vba if you keep the front end on the client and link to
the SP lists in 365. I am not impressed that SP lists are limited to
something like 10,000 rows. Hopefully that will be upped so some serious
storage can be implemented.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Simms
Sent: Friday, June 22, 2012 7:34 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Fw: Office 365 Re: You Guys make Me Sick

The big potential of Office 365 is imminent...it will soon support all of
Sharepoint 2010's functionality.
It took quite a while for that to happen.
Office 365 is a biggie...if you know the limitations.
Sorry, I haven't done my full research yet.
One thing I discovered was that Office 365's search does support PDF
documents.
Sounds tiny, but for me, that was huge.
Again, Access is supported in this environment with the right licensing
option (there are several)...
However, you are stuck with the limited macro version which disables all
VBA.


> Aside from SharePoint I guess I should say -- I hope that makes sense.
> Development all seems to within SharePoint, as far as I can see -- I
> haven't subscribed or anything, so I'm guessing, based on what I've
> read.
>
> Susan H.
>
>
> > Anything really -- is there any potential for developers to support
> it?
> >
> > Susan H.
> >
> >
> >> Do you mean something like integration with internal
> tools/processes?
> >>
> >> - Hans
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >>
> >> On 2012-06-22, at 6:35 PM, "Susan Harkins" <ssharkins at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Speaking of new technologies -- do any of you see much development
> >>> opportunity with the new Office 365? I don't mean consulting --
> >>> I'm wondering about traditional development.
> >>>
> >
>
> --
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From dw-murphy at cox.net  Sat Jun 23 13:36:31 2012
From: dw-murphy at cox.net (Doug Murphy)
Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2012 11:36:31 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Fw:  Office 365 Re:  You Guys make Me Sick
In-Reply-To: <631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB082957BD21CA448@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk>
References: <631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB082957BD21CA448@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <004f01cd516f$1bcf69d0$536e3d70$@cox.net>

Martin,

I assume you're running your own SP server. I was referring to Office 365's
limited version of SP as a back end for Access.

Doug

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Martin Reid
Sent: Saturday, June 23, 2012 11:20 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Fw: Office 365 Re: You Guys make Me Sick

We have lists with millions of items.

We also have some serious hardware.


Martin

Sent from my Windows Phone
________________________________
From: Doug Murphy
Sent: 23/06/2012 19:14
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Fw:  Office 365 Re:  You Guys make Me Sick

Actually you can use vba if you keep the front end on the client and link to
the SP lists in 365. I am not impressed that SP lists are limited to
something like 10,000 rows. Hopefully that will be upped so some serious
storage can be implemented.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Simms
Sent: Friday, June 22, 2012 7:34 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Fw: Office 365 Re: You Guys make Me Sick

The big potential of Office 365 is imminent...it will soon support all of
Sharepoint 2010's functionality.
It took quite a while for that to happen.
Office 365 is a biggie...if you know the limitations.
Sorry, I haven't done my full research yet.
One thing I discovered was that Office 365's search does support PDF
documents.
Sounds tiny, but for me, that was huge.
Again, Access is supported in this environment with the right licensing
option (there are several)...
However, you are stuck with the limited macro version which disables all
VBA.


> Aside from SharePoint I guess I should say -- I hope that makes sense.
> Development all seems to within SharePoint, as far as I can see -- I 
> haven't subscribed or anything, so I'm guessing, based on what I've 
> read.
>
> Susan H.
>
>
> > Anything really -- is there any potential for developers to support
> it?
> >
> > Susan H.
> >
> >
> >> Do you mean something like integration with internal
> tools/processes?
> >>
> >> - Hans
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >>
> >> On 2012-06-22, at 6:35 PM, "Susan Harkins" <ssharkins at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Speaking of new technologies -- do any of you see much development 
> >>> opportunity with the new Office 365? I don't mean consulting -- 
> >>> I'm wondering about traditional development.
> >>>
> >
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From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk  Sat Jun 23 13:46:17 2012
From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid)
Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2012 19:46:17 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Fw:  Office 365 Re:  You Guys make Me Sick
Message-ID: <631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB082957BD21CA44A@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk>

We run 16 servers internally including a four instance SQL cluster.

Not sure about 365 limits but we will know soon as we are about to sign up.

Martin




Sent from my Windows Phone
________________________________
From: Doug Murphy
Sent: 23/06/2012 19:39
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Fw:  Office 365 Re:  You Guys make Me Sick

Martin,

I assume you're running your own SP server. I was referring to Office 365's
limited version of SP as a back end for Access.

Doug

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Martin Reid
Sent: Saturday, June 23, 2012 11:20 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Fw: Office 365 Re: You Guys make Me Sick

We have lists with millions of items.

We also have some serious hardware.


Martin

Sent from my Windows Phone
________________________________
From: Doug Murphy
Sent: 23/06/2012 19:14
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Fw:  Office 365 Re:  You Guys make Me Sick

Actually you can use vba if you keep the front end on the client and link to
the SP lists in 365. I am not impressed that SP lists are limited to
something like 10,000 rows. Hopefully that will be upped so some serious
storage can be implemented.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Simms
Sent: Friday, June 22, 2012 7:34 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Fw: Office 365 Re: You Guys make Me Sick

The big potential of Office 365 is imminent...it will soon support all of
Sharepoint 2010's functionality.
It took quite a while for that to happen.
Office 365 is a biggie...if you know the limitations.
Sorry, I haven't done my full research yet.
One thing I discovered was that Office 365's search does support PDF
documents.
Sounds tiny, but for me, that was huge.
Again, Access is supported in this environment with the right licensing
option (there are several)...
However, you are stuck with the limited macro version which disables all
VBA.


> Aside from SharePoint I guess I should say -- I hope that makes sense.
> Development all seems to within SharePoint, as far as I can see -- I
> haven't subscribed or anything, so I'm guessing, based on what I've
> read.
>
> Susan H.
>
>
> > Anything really -- is there any potential for developers to support
> it?
> >
> > Susan H.
> >
> >
> >> Do you mean something like integration with internal
> tools/processes?
> >>
> >> - Hans
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >>
> >> On 2012-06-22, at 6:35 PM, "Susan Harkins" <ssharkins at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Speaking of new technologies -- do any of you see much development
> >>> opportunity with the new Office 365? I don't mean consulting --
> >>> I'm wondering about traditional development.
> >>>
> >
>
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sat Jun 23 14:35:18 2012
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2012 15:35:18 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Fw:  Office 365 Re:  You Guys make Me Sick
In-Reply-To: <631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB082957BD21CA448@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk>
References: <631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB082957BD21CA448@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <4FE61A76.60902@colbyconsulting.com>

LOL.  Lists?

I have Plain Old Tables (POT) with 220 million rows, joining to other tables with 200 million rows, 
with where clauses considering a dozen fields.  It is called SQL Server.

As we speak I am in the process of importing a CSV containing ~200 million rows.  As we speak I am 
also in the process of importing 540 files containing 500K rows each.

Of course I also have some serious hardware, at least for a SOHO.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it


On 6/23/2012 2:20 PM, Martin Reid wrote:
> We have lists with millions of items.
>
> We also have some serious hardware.
>
>
> Martin
>
> Sent from my Windows Phone
> ________________________________
> From: Doug Murphy
> Sent: 23/06/2012 19:14
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Fw:  Office 365 Re:  You Guys make Me Sick
>
> Actually you can use vba if you keep the front end on the client and link to
> the SP lists in 365. I am not impressed that SP lists are limited to
> something like 10,000 rows. Hopefully that will be upped so some serious
> storage can be implemented.
>


From john at winhaven.net  Sat Jun 23 14:56:28 2012
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2012 14:56:28 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Fw:  Office 365 Re:  You Guys make Me Sick
In-Reply-To: <4FE61A76.60902@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB082957BD21CA448@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk>
	<4FE61A76.60902@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <001601cd517a$4726af70$d5740e50$@winhaven.net>

The difference between using SQL Server and SharePoint layered on top of SQL
Server or 365 layered on top of SharePoint layered on top on SQL Server.

You're doing it the "old school" way where you still have some idea of
what's happening to all the data and where it's going :-)

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Saturday, June 23, 2012 2:35 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Fw: Office 365 Re: You Guys make Me Sick

LOL.  Lists?

I have Plain Old Tables (POT) with 220 million rows, joining to other tables
with 200 million rows, with where clauses considering a dozen fields.  It is
called SQL Server.

As we speak I am in the process of importing a CSV containing ~200 million
rows.  As we speak I am also in the process of importing 540 files
containing 500K rows each.

Of course I also have some serious hardware, at least for a SOHO.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it


On 6/23/2012 2:20 PM, Martin Reid wrote:
> We have lists with millions of items.
>
> We also have some serious hardware.
>
>
> Martin
>
> Sent from my Windows Phone
> ________________________________
> From: Doug Murphy
> Sent: 23/06/2012 19:14
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Fw:  Office 365 Re:  You Guys make Me Sick
>
> Actually you can use vba if you keep the front end on the client and 
> link to the SP lists in 365. I am not impressed that SP lists are 
> limited to something like 10,000 rows. Hopefully that will be upped so 
> some serious storage can be implemented.
>

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From marksimms at verizon.net  Sat Jun 23 15:04:42 2012
From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms)
Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2012 16:04:42 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Fw:  Office 365 Re:  You Guys make Me Sick
In-Reply-To: <004e01cd516b$8d7b7000$a8725000$@cox.net>
References: <2C608E8B1F154029A1813429E1B6B9A8@SusanHarkins>
	<000901cd50e8$99685a00$cc390e00$@net>
	<004e01cd516b$8d7b7000$a8725000$@cox.net>
Message-ID: <001501cd517b$6e279ed0$4a76dc70$@net>

Yeah, but that's not true cloud computing.

>
> Actually you can use vba if you keep the front end on the client and
> link to
> the SP lists in 365. I am not impressed that SP lists are limited to
> something like 10,000 rows. Hopefully that will be upped so some
> serious storage can be implemented.



From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sat Jun 23 15:04:28 2012
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2012 16:04:28 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Fw:  Office 365 Re:  You Guys make Me Sick
In-Reply-To: <001601cd517a$4726af70$d5740e50$@winhaven.net>
References: <631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB082957BD21CA448@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk>
	<4FE61A76.60902@colbyconsulting.com>
	<001601cd517a$4726af70$d5740e50$@winhaven.net>
Message-ID: <4FE6214C.1000308@colbyconsulting.com>

 > You're doing it the "old school" way where you still have some idea of what's happening to all 
the data and where it's going :-)


uhh yep.  And there is still a place for such things.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it


On 6/23/2012 3:56 PM, John Bartow wrote:
> The difference between using SQL Server and SharePoint layered on top of SQL
> Server or 365 layered on top of SharePoint layered on top on SQL Server.
>
> You're doing it the "old school" way where you still have some idea of
> what's happening to all the data and where it's going :-)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
> Sent: Saturday, June 23, 2012 2:35 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Fw: Office 365 Re: You Guys make Me Sick
>
> LOL.  Lists?
>
> I have Plain Old Tables (POT) with 220 million rows, joining to other tables
> with 200 million rows, with where clauses considering a dozen fields.  It is
> called SQL Server.
>
> As we speak I am in the process of importing a CSV containing ~200 million
> rows.  As we speak I am also in the process of importing 540 files
> containing 500K rows each.
>
> Of course I also have some serious hardware, at least for a SOHO.
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
>
> Reality is what refuses to go away
> when you do not believe in it
>
>
> On 6/23/2012 2:20 PM, Martin Reid wrote:
>> We have lists with millions of items.
>>
>> We also have some serious hardware.
>>
>>
>> Martin
>>
>> Sent from my Windows Phone
>> ________________________________
>> From: Doug Murphy
>> Sent: 23/06/2012 19:14
>> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Fw:  Office 365 Re:  You Guys make Me Sick
>>
>> Actually you can use vba if you keep the front end on the client and
>> link to the SP lists in 365. I am not impressed that SP lists are
>> limited to something like 10,000 rows. Hopefully that will be upped so
>> some serious storage can be implemented.
>>
>
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From ssharkins at gmail.com  Sat Jun 23 16:53:03 2012
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2012 17:53:03 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] You Guys make Me Sick
References: <AED88903598F47B688B8A9575128EE9D@TonySeptav><9C6D0C64280048F493FA0E61D1A0FA32@SusanHarkins><014001cd506f$8949cec0$9bdd6c40$@net><4FE48509.7020803@colbyconsulting.com><00c401cd50c7$0c4317d0$24c94770$@net><CAMhYZWZryOZCDHjN+PR_1Y8=_t=pTdCfwZ8-=D4ZcAh_GLEcMg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAEPJO1iGH2E7xp-U5=fu_wn4DWzmyGvxmQyDYUtwREs5LrVgKw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <E91D30C531C54D4CB8C7EE47CF170182@SusanHarkins>

One of my nieces studied Chinese in high school and then in college -- I 
think she minored in it. :) She figured if she didn't make it as stage 
manager she could be an interpreter with the UN. :)

Susan H.


>I guess this entire group senses that we're at a Senior Moment. I've
> checked out several new languages to learn, and finally after much to
> forget computer languages and instead learn Mandarin.
>


From ssharkins at gmail.com  Sat Jun 23 17:00:49 2012
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2012 18:00:49 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Fw:  Office 365 Re:  You Guys make Me Sick
References: <2C608E8B1F154029A1813429E1B6B9A8@SusanHarkins><000901cd50e8$99685a00$cc390e00$@net><004e01cd516b$8d7b7000$a8725000$@cox.net>
	<001501cd517b$6e279ed0$4a76dc70$@net>
Message-ID: <E1C507201AA1492F8840AAA929E08E4F@SusanHarkins>

Not concerned with true cloud -- just concentrating on Office 365. 

Susan H. 


> Yeah, but that's not true cloud computing.
> 
>>
>> Actually you can use vba if you keep the front end on the client and
>> link to
>> the SP lists in 365. I am not impressed that SP lists are limited to
>> something like 10,000 rows. Hopefully that will be upped so some
>> serious storage can be implemented.


From dw-murphy at cox.net  Sat Jun 23 18:16:32 2012
From: dw-murphy at cox.net (Doug Murphy)
Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2012 16:16:32 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Fw:  Office 365 Re:  You Guys make Me Sick
In-Reply-To: <001501cd517b$6e279ed0$4a76dc70$@net>
References: <2C608E8B1F154029A1813429E1B6B9A8@SusanHarkins>	<000901cd50e8$99685a00$cc390e00$@net>	<004e01cd516b$8d7b7000$a8725000$@cox.net>
	<001501cd517b$6e279ed0$4a76dc70$@net>
Message-ID: <007501cd5196$39f90de0$adeb29a0$@cox.net>

I don't really consider Office 365 in its current version "true  cloud
computing". It offers crippled versions of Office products and a kludge for
running Access web apps, which have limited functionality. The only part of
interest to me for doing real work is that you can use it for a back end for
a real Access application. When connected to the web the application synchs
with the SharePoint lists. When off line you can still work on your desktop
app. This could be great for folks on the road if you're not talking big
data.

Using current technology, i.e.,  ASP.NET and JavaScript, I can create an app
that will run on anything with a web browser, but for a lot more development
cost than an Access application, and you need to be connected full time. But
the cost of running the application for all users is a modest hosting
account not $ per user as with Office 365.

Office 365 and the cloud have a way to go in my probably biased view.

Doug

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Simms
Sent: Saturday, June 23, 2012 1:05 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Fw: Office 365 Re: You Guys make Me Sick

Yeah, but that's not true cloud computing.

>
> Actually you can use vba if you keep the front end on the client and 
> link to the SP lists in 365. I am not impressed that SP lists are 
> limited to something like 10,000 rows. Hopefully that will be upped so 
> some serious storage can be implemented.


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From marksimms at verizon.net  Sat Jun 23 21:04:32 2012
From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms)
Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2012 22:04:32 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Fw:  Office 365 Re:  You Guys make Me Sick
In-Reply-To: <007501cd5196$39f90de0$adeb29a0$@cox.net>
References: <2C608E8B1F154029A1813429E1B6B9A8@SusanHarkins>
	<000901cd50e8$99685a00$cc390e00$@net>
	<004e01cd516b$8d7b7000$a8725000$@cox.net>
	<001501cd517b$6e279ed0$4a76dc70$@net>
	<007501cd5196$39f90de0$adeb29a0$@cox.net>
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Doug - I agree with most of what you said. However, the part about the
negative for the fees for Office 365 I think is being a bit "cheap". They
are really reasonable IMHO. Sure, "Free" is always great...but I've been
burnt so many time with "free" offerings. Logmein for example: totally
worthless without the File Manager to transfer files to/from host.

And Speaking of Access in Office 365. You are right...what's the big deal
with Access running as a distributed app.
It's THE UPDATES ! Imagine constantly having to download a 2 meg accde file.
Now if there was a seamless way of doing this and detect for new updates,
that would be a great solution.

So for cloud apps that have a specific, selected set group of users, it's
great....and Albert K has demonstrated that.
BUT it's out of the question as a public app.




From gustav at cactus.dk  Sun Jun 24 05:57:37 2012
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2012 12:57:37 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] LogMeIn (was: Office 365 Re: You Guys make Me	Sick)
Message-ID: <sfe70ed7.021@cactus.dk>

Hi Mark

This is where your creativity is called upon.

Typically, most file transfer is needed shortly after you have initiated LogMeIn on the remote machine. For this you can use the 30-day free trial period for the Pro version. It will automatically revert to the free version when you don't pay (the rather steep price per month for the Pro version).

After this, if the remote machine is not "locked down", we use FTP from one of our servers.

Another option is SkyDrive whichs work across nearly any firewall. You may even install the tiny SkyDrive app which automatigally will sync a local folder of yours with a folder of yours on SkyDrive.

Currently I work for a large corporation running a completely locked down Citrix environment. FTP is, of course, an absolute no-no, HTTP download is either very slow or blocked but SkyDrive (using HTTPS) came to rescue as I need to transfer files from our environment to my remote Citrix desktop at the client. 

But SkyDrive is free to use if you can manage to limit your storage to 7 GB.

/gustav

>>> marksimms at verizon.net 24-06-12 4:04 >>>
<snip>
Logmein for example: totally worthless without the File Manager to transfer files to/from host.
</snip>



From hans.andersen at phulse.com  Sun Jun 24 05:54:47 2012
From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen)
Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2012 03:54:47 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] LogMeIn (was: Office 365 Re: You Guys make Me	Sick)
In-Reply-To: <sfe70ed7.021@cactus.dk>
References: <sfe70ed7.021@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <2B478A3F-ADF4-437B-B81D-9884A27DE9B9@phulse.com>


There is also Gdrive, DropBox, SpiderOak and a plethora of other services that are cross platform (and not Windows only).

Hans


On 2012-06-24, at 3:57 AM, Gustav Brock wrote:

> Hi Mark
> 
> This is where your creativity is called upon.
> 
> Typically, most file transfer is needed shortly after you have initiated LogMeIn on the remote machine. For this you can use the 30-day free trial period for the Pro version. It will automatically revert to the free version when you don't pay (the rather steep price per month for the Pro version).
> 
> After this, if the remote machine is not "locked down", we use FTP from one of our servers.
> 
> Another option is SkyDrive whichs work across nearly any firewall. You may even install the tiny SkyDrive app which automatigally will sync a local folder of yours with a folder of yours on SkyDrive.
> 
> Currently I work for a large corporation running a completely locked down Citrix environment. FTP is, of course, an absolute no-no, HTTP download is either very slow or blocked but SkyDrive (using HTTPS) came to rescue as I need to transfer files from our environment to my remote Citrix desktop at the client. 
> 
> But SkyDrive is free to use if you can manage to limit your storage to 7 GB.
> 
> /gustav
> 
>>>> marksimms at verizon.net 24-06-12 4:04 >>>
> <snip>
> Logmein for example: totally worthless without the File Manager to transfer files to/from host.
> </snip>
> 
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From mcp2004 at mail.ru  Sun Jun 24 10:10:08 2012
From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=)
Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2012 19:10:08 +0400
Subject: [AccessD] =?utf-8?q?You_Guys_make_Me_Sick?=
In-Reply-To: <00c401cd50c7$0c4317d0$24c94770$@net>
References: <AED88903598F47B688B8A9575128EE9D@TonySeptav>
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Hi Mark --

I like it:

"As lousy as things are now, tomorrow they will be somebody's good old days." -- Gerald Barzan

Do you? :)

Thank you.

-- Shamil?
Fri, 22 Jun 2012 18:33:29 -0400 ?? "Mark Simms" <marksimms at verizon.net>:
 
  
  
I tried desperately to go into Business Intelligence/Analytics...and wean
myself from Excel/Access VBA.
I just couldn't pull it off...major reason: met with an avalanche of
Indian's in the same space.
Another reason: every potential engagement came with a huge set of "must
have" requirements...
and I usually was a little short of one or two of them.
This is what you call a very difficult and unforgiving tech job marketplace.
If you've got all of the in-demand skills, you're in good shape.
Otherwise, you are bottom-feeding.

Recent comments/stats on Programmers Guild online forum:
2012 College Grads with Law degrees at the lowest employment percentage
placement in decades: 85%
2012 STEM Grads (Science,Tech,Engineering,Math) are at 50% which is a high
from 40% of 3 years ago.
Grim stats for American techies for sure. And those lawyers(lobbiests) are
responsible for this situation.

>
> It may be just me but I am at about 200% of my income of 20 years ago.
> I am not earning that from
> Access however. C# / SQL Server.
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting


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From TSeptav at uniserve.com  Sun Jun 24 11:35:31 2012
From: TSeptav at uniserve.com (Tony Septav)
Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2012 09:35:31 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] You Guys make Me Sick
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1iGH2E7xp-U5=fu_wn4DWzmyGvxmQyDYUtwREs5LrVgKw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AED88903598F47B688B8A9575128EE9D@TonySeptav><9C6D0C64280048F493FA0E61D1A0FA32@SusanHarkins><014001cd506f$8949cec0$9bdd6c40$@net><4FE48509.7020803@colbyconsulting.com><00c401cd50c7$0c4317d0$24c94770$@net><CAMhYZWZryOZCDHjN+PR_1Y8=_t=pTdCfwZ8-=D4ZcAh_GLEcMg@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <E74F7BA6C4D44341B5BEC12172F10766@TonySeptav>

Hey Arthur
Mandarin, impressive.
Won't worry about "can barely carry a polite dinner-party conversation". I
run into the same problem trying to do that in  English and it is my mother
tongue. 
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Saturday, June 23, 2012 10:08 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] You Guys make Me Sick

I guess this entire group senses that we're at a Senior Moment. I've checked
out several new languages to learn, and finally after much to forget
computer languages and instead learn Mandarin.

Currently, I have the basics down, including the tones, but I have a long
way to go before I could write something in Mandarin. From the alphabetic
perspective, learning the writing scheme is a huge leap. I read a wonderful
book called "The Man Who Loved China", about a man called Richard Needham,
who learned to read, speak and write Mandarin in *one* year. Subsequently he
became the world's foremost scholar on the history of China and Chinese
science and culture.

I am in awe of his first achievement, let alone the rest. I am in Year Three
of trying and still can barely carry a polite dinner-party conversation.
Writing about science or history in Mandarin -- well let's just say I don't
have that many years left.

Had I embarked upon this project when 20yo, I might have obtained different
results. At age 64. the learning is a lot slower, whether it's Mandarin or
.NET.

Given my age, I concluded that I am unlikely to be hired as a .NET or PHP
programmer; the only deep skill I have left is SQL Server and MySQL (and of
course Access), for which, fortunately, there remain opportunities. In SQL
Server and MySQL, I try to stay abreast; in Access I am a version -- soon to
be two -- behind. Staying abreast of SQL Server is itself is a huge project.

The rest of the time I want to devote to learning Mandarin, reading The New
York Review of Books, various novels and non-fiction books (current reads
include "Reamde" by Neal Stephenson, "Ruby on Rails Bible", "The Hot Kid"
by Elmore Leonard, and the second edition of "The Selfish Gene", by Richard
Dawkins. That's the list for the next ten days; I read all of them a bit per
day.

I ought to add that I'm also trying to learn Alpha Five v11, and also
spending some time watching its tutorial vids and trying things out.

Currently I have a part-time gig done remotely, a few hours a week. It
boosts my income modestly and I am happy to devote so relatively little to a
project. Of course, this is a myth, since some of both my waking and
sleeping hours (unbillable) are devoted to reconsidering problems related to
the project. However, this is the life we have chosen. Develop or die!
Semper fi!

Arthur
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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Sun Jun 24 14:41:14 2012
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2012 15:41:14 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] You Guys make Me Sick
In-Reply-To: <E74F7BA6C4D44341B5BEC12172F10766@TonySeptav>
References: <AED88903598F47B688B8A9575128EE9D@TonySeptav>
	<9C6D0C64280048F493FA0E61D1A0FA32@SusanHarkins>
	<014001cd506f$8949cec0$9bdd6c40$@net>
	<4FE48509.7020803@colbyconsulting.com>
	<00c401cd50c7$0c4317d0$24c94770$@net>
	<CAMhYZWZryOZCDHjN+PR_1Y8=_t=pTdCfwZ8-=D4ZcAh_GLEcMg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAEPJO1iGH2E7xp-U5=fu_wn4DWzmyGvxmQyDYUtwREs5LrVgKw@mail.gmail.com>
	<E74F7BA6C4D44341B5BEC12172F10766@TonySeptav>
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LOL, Tony!

On Sun, Jun 24, 2012 at 12:35 PM, Tony Septav <TSeptav at uniserve.com> wrote:

> Hey Arthur
> Mandarin, impressive.
> Won't worry about "can barely carry a polite dinner-party conversation". I
> run into the same problem trying to do that in  English and it is my mother
> tongue.
>
>

From accessd at shaw.ca  Sun Jun 24 14:47:49 2012
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2012 12:47:49 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] LogMeIn (was: Office 365 Re: You Guys make Me	Sick)
In-Reply-To: <2B478A3F-ADF4-437B-B81D-9884A27DE9B9@phulse.com>
References: <sfe70ed7.021@cactus.dk>
	<2B478A3F-ADF4-437B-B81D-9884A27DE9B9@phulse.com>
Message-ID: <437701F10D614524B8DB8F209B678143@creativesystemdesigns.com>

And as an addition we also have plain old Hamachi, which is still free for
six or less connections per workgroup (you do have unlimited workgroups). It
is excellent as it is almost as fast as an FTP connection, totally secure
and will slide under most fire-walls. (It is the core transfer layer in
LogMeIn and they can be installed side by side on client's computer with no
issues.)

Also there is TeamViewer which works on all platforms even your Smartphones,
iPads and so on. I use it to do remote support of Linux computers and it has
been very reliable and fast. Much faster and more reliable than UltraVNC
which I previously used. I know real men and women do not use anything but
PuTTY...no fancy GUI for them but I am too lazy and really like the
convenience of pretty graphics. ;-)

Here is a link to a list of 10 remote applications. Most have a free
entrance level version with various levels of functionality:
http://www.itpro.co.uk/625588/top-10-remote-desktop-applications
Even though full version cost a few bucks it is great to be able to control
your servers from you Smartphone or iPhone.

Then there is Netmeeting which comes on all Windows computers. You will have
to download it for Win7 but it will allow full remote access. If you need to
access any Windows servers, they all automatically have a 3 license copy of
TermServer (Cyrix), for admin purposes and can be subsequently accessed via
any RDP client...all Linux distros have the client built in and maybe Mac
does as well. Even Windows desktop systems come with the potential of a full
TermServer but they have to be hacked so there can be more than one full
connection allowed.

Unfortunately, the DropBox type applications have data limits, unless you
want to anti-up.
  
Jim  

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Hans-Christian
Andersen
Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2012 3:55 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] LogMeIn (was: Office 365 Re: You Guys make Me Sick)


There is also Gdrive, DropBox, SpiderOak and a plethora of other services
that are cross platform (and not Windows only).

Hans


On 2012-06-24, at 3:57 AM, Gustav Brock wrote:

> Hi Mark
> 
> This is where your creativity is called upon.
> 
> Typically, most file transfer is needed shortly after you have initiated
LogMeIn on the remote machine. For this you can use the 30-day free trial
period for the Pro version. It will automatically revert to the free version
when you don't pay (the rather steep price per month for the Pro version).
> 
> After this, if the remote machine is not "locked down", we use FTP from
one of our servers.
> 
> Another option is SkyDrive whichs work across nearly any firewall. You may
even install the tiny SkyDrive app which automatigally will sync a local
folder of yours with a folder of yours on SkyDrive.
> 
> Currently I work for a large corporation running a completely locked down
Citrix environment. FTP is, of course, an absolute no-no, HTTP download is
either very slow or blocked but SkyDrive (using HTTPS) came to rescue as I
need to transfer files from our environment to my remote Citrix desktop at
the client. 
> 
> But SkyDrive is free to use if you can manage to limit your storage to 7
GB.
> 
> /gustav
> 
>>>> marksimms at verizon.net 24-06-12 4:04 >>>
> <snip>
> Logmein for example: totally worthless without the File Manager to
transfer files to/from host.
> </snip>
> 
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Sun Jun 24 15:59:24 2012
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2012 13:59:24 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Comparing Skydrive
In-Reply-To: <437701F10D614524B8DB8F209B678143@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <sfe70ed7.021@cactus.dk><2B478A3F-ADF4-437B-B81D-9884A27DE9B9@phulse.com>
	<437701F10D614524B8DB8F209B678143@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <7518BF40C0164718B77596DFF6265413@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Comparing Skydrive with the other products in the market might give a clue
as which offering is best for you.

http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/skydrive/compare

Too bad the product is only Windows based.

Jim


From hans.andersen at phulse.com  Sun Jun 24 16:33:09 2012
From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen)
Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2012 14:33:09 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Comparing Skydrive
In-Reply-To: <7518BF40C0164718B77596DFF6265413@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <sfe70ed7.021@cactus.dk>
	<2B478A3F-ADF4-437B-B81D-9884A27DE9B9@phulse.com>
	<437701F10D614524B8DB8F209B678143@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<7518BF40C0164718B77596DFF6265413@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <199D49B1-0291-444C-9CE3-2F8B011ACC25@phulse.com>


Scratch that. It appears that MS is porting SkyDrive to Linux now. Looks like they have really gone all out (unusually) with this. I might have even given it a try, but I'm uncertain about their data privacy policies and encryption. Shame really.

Hans


Best regards,
Hans-Christian Andersen


On 24 Jun 2012, at 13:59, "Jim Lawrence" <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:

> Comparing Skydrive with the other products in the market might give a clue
> as which offering is best for you.
> 
> http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/skydrive/compare
> 
> Too bad the product is only Windows based.
> 
> Jim
> 
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Sun Jun 24 16:53:01 2012
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2012 23:53:01 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Comparing Skydrive
Message-ID: <sfe7a878.035@cactus.dk>

Hi Hans

No reason to be uncertain. Be sure that MS is scared to h... to face a situation where p.rn or the like has been distributed from their servers. Thus, all pictures saved do get scanned by some method to locate "skin" motives and other delicate stuff.

As always, if you plan to store sensitive material of any kind, legal or not, on remote servers out of your control, encrypt the files.

/gustav

>>> hans.andersen at phulse.com 24-06-12 23:33 >>>

Scratch that. It appears that MS is porting SkyDrive to Linux now. Looks like they have really gone all out (unusually) with this. I might have even given it a try, but I'm uncertain about their data privacy policies and encryption. Shame really.

Hans


Best regards,
Hans-Christian Andersen


On 24 Jun 2012, at 13:59, "Jim Lawrence" <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:

> Comparing Skydrive with the other products in the market might give a clue
> as which offering is best for you.
> 
> http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/skydrive/compare
> 
> Too bad the product is only Windows based.
> 
> Jim


From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Sun Jun 24 17:32:26 2012
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2012 18:32:26 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] replication manager
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1jNU7d9dUtj8UdFPLHoCUDX4j28X-WH+2+xE=iJ5SC9+g@mail.gmail.com>

Anyone know for sure which version of Access was the last to ship
Replication Manager? I know it's not in 2010, but what about 2007? And
either way, how is one supposed to do replication? Is this Microsoft's
gentle way of telling us we ought to spring the big bucks for Sharepoint?

-- 
Arthur
Cell: 647.710.1314

Prediction is difficult, especially of the future.
  -- Niels Bohr

From accessd at shaw.ca  Sun Jun 24 18:00:52 2012
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2012 16:00:52 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Comparing Skydrive
In-Reply-To: <199D49B1-0291-444C-9CE3-2F8B011ACC25@phulse.com>
References: <sfe70ed7.021@cactus.dk><2B478A3F-ADF4-437B-B81D-9884A27DE9B9@phulse.com><437701F10D614524B8DB8F209B678143@creativesystemdesigns.com><7518BF40C0164718B77596DFF6265413@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<199D49B1-0291-444C-9CE3-2F8B011ACC25@phulse.com>
Message-ID: <A89AB7A4384A4E8EAF76DDF6AED73587@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Here is an interesting article that gives a clear picture of Microsoft's
"Seeing the light" revelations (Mind you Apple did lead the way):

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/06/22/microsoft_surface_proves_software_as
_commercial_product_is_dead/

We have now moved from program provider world to service provider world.

Jim 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Hans-Christian
Andersen
Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2012 2:33 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Comparing Skydrive


Scratch that. It appears that MS is porting SkyDrive to Linux now. Looks
like they have really gone all out (unusually) with this. I might have even
given it a try, but I'm uncertain about their data privacy policies and
encryption. Shame really.

Hans


Best regards,
Hans-Christian Andersen


On 24 Jun 2012, at 13:59, "Jim Lawrence" <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:

> Comparing Skydrive with the other products in the market might give a clue
> as which offering is best for you.
> 
> http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/skydrive/compare
> 
> Too bad the product is only Windows based.
> 
> Jim
> 
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From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au  Sun Jun 24 19:10:30 2012
From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins)
Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2012 00:10:30 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Office 365 Re:  You Guys make Me Sick
In-Reply-To: <D58C67A2170043A5AFC49A49220DD6D5@SusanHarkins>
References: <AED88903598F47B688B8A9575128EE9D@TonySeptav><9C6D0C64280048F493FA0E61D1A0FA32@SusanHarkins><014001cd506f$8949cec0$9bdd6c40$@net><4FE48509.7020803@colbyconsulting.com><00c401cd50c7$0c4317d0$24c94770$@net>
	<CAMhYZWZryOZCDHjN+PR_1Y8=_t=pTdCfwZ8-=D4ZcAh_GLEcMg@mail.gmail.com>
	<D58C67A2170043A5AFC49A49220DD6D5@SusanHarkins>
Message-ID: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B524FADCD5@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>

We use Office 365, but more as a hybrid type setup - I have also helped a couple of small businesses (5-6 employees type places) with their O365 setups. 

I would say first and foremost the maximum value for many small businesses in Office 365 is with Outlook, closely followed by OneNote and then the ability to use Sharepoint lists as a simple database.

Effectively having your own Outlook Exchange server which is always online, accessible via your desktop plus any mobile platform (iPhone/Pad, Android and Windows) and being able to run Outlook just like the big corporates do is very useful for these people - the live sync has proven to be very good, pretty much instant.  Lync is also a popular tool with the few businesses I personally know who I have helped set up O365 for.

They all love OneNote - Being in the consulting business they all take a lot of notes.  OneNote allows them to store the notes on the server and be able to share/access them where and when they are needed.  This alone has added huge productivity gains, along with the ability to share calendars and documents.

As for dev on the platform.  All the dev stuff I have done has been on the sharepoint side - setting up lists, permissions and workflows.  Given it is dead easy to push data to and from sharepoint in your desktop client of Office 2010 I haven't had a problem with needing to do native stuff on O365 alone yet - it is faster to push it to the desktop and use your native Office 365.  Maybe that day will come where it will all be cloud?

Anyway - To day O365 has been a largely positive experience for the folks I know who use it.  Maybe we have just gotten lucky as I am sure not everyone has good things to say, but for I know it has made a huge difference to a couple of business here and made their working experience a lot better and more efficient.

Cheers
Darryl.




-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: Saturday, 23 June 2012 11:35 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Office 365 Re: You Guys make Me Sick

Speaking of new technologies -- do any of you see much development opportunity with the new Office 365? I don't mean consulting -- I'm wondering about traditional development.

Ssan H.


> I've experienced the same thing. Both as the interviewers and 
> interviewees.
>
> I've used SSIS and DTS for import processes.
>
> I've been asked if I've used it for anything else.
>
> What other reasons are there to use it?
>
> There hasn't been a need for me to do something in a different manner.
>

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From dw-murphy at cox.net  Sun Jun 24 19:22:23 2012
From: dw-murphy at cox.net (Doug Murphy)
Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2012 17:22:23 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] replication manager
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1jNU7d9dUtj8UdFPLHoCUDX4j28X-WH+2+xE=iJ5SC9+g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1jNU7d9dUtj8UdFPLHoCUDX4j28X-WH+2+xE=iJ5SC9+g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <002f01cd5268$97c88630$c7599290$@cox.net>

It was in the 2002 Developer edition. I am using it on a current project
with a 2010 mdb. Still works. If you can't get it Kaplan's TSI Replicator
has the same internals but not the interface. You need to code it.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2012 3:32 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] replication manager

Anyone know for sure which version of Access was the last to ship
Replication Manager? I know it's not in 2010, but what about 2007? And
either way, how is one supposed to do replication? Is this Microsoft's
gentle way of telling us we ought to spring the big bucks for Sharepoint?

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From marksimms at verizon.net  Sun Jun 24 19:39:09 2012
From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms)
Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2012 20:39:09 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Office 365 Re:  You Guys make Me Sick
In-Reply-To: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B524FADCD5@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
References: <AED88903598F47B688B8A9575128EE9D@TonySeptav><9C6D0C64280048F493FA0E61D1A0FA32@SusanHarkins><014001cd506f$8949cec0$9bdd6c40$@net><4FE48509.7020803@colbyconsulting.com><00c401cd50c7$0c4317d0$24c94770$@net>
	<CAMhYZWZryOZCDHjN+PR_1Y8=_t=pTdCfwZ8-=D4ZcAh_GLEcMg@mail.gmail.com>
	<D58C67A2170043A5AFC49A49220DD6D5@SusanHarkins>
	<56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B524FADCD5@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <000501cd526a$ef7a67c0$ce6f3740$@net>

Interesting is the fact that you didn't even mention the whole Sharepoint
2010 suite of features....
Only the lists.
This is surprising given SP 2010's huge improvements over prior releases.
I would have thought it would be #1 !



From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au  Sun Jun 24 20:04:50 2012
From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins)
Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2012 01:04:50 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Office 365 Re:  You Guys make Me Sick
In-Reply-To: <000501cd526a$ef7a67c0$ce6f3740$@net>
References: <AED88903598F47B688B8A9575128EE9D@TonySeptav><9C6D0C64280048F493FA0E61D1A0FA32@SusanHarkins><014001cd506f$8949cec0$9bdd6c40$@net><4FE48509.7020803@colbyconsulting.com><00c401cd50c7$0c4317d0$24c94770$@net>
	<CAMhYZWZryOZCDHjN+PR_1Y8=_t=pTdCfwZ8-=D4ZcAh_GLEcMg@mail.gmail.com>
	<D58C67A2170043A5AFC49A49220DD6D5@SusanHarkins>
	<56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B524FADCD5@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
	<000501cd526a$ef7a67c0$ce6f3740$@net>
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Yeah, I agree with that, but these people's needs are starting from a fairly basic setup and they are not super tech savvy - I agree that O365 is going to get much more useful as they understand what can be done.  We are only scratching at the surface right now, but on the other hand, 'techno' shock is a real issue here.  Gotta take it one step at a time and not overwhelm them with info, options and choices.  Once they are all relaxed and comfy with Outlook, sharing stuff online etc, I will start to introduce some new concepts for them that I think will be useful for them.  Very early days, but already it has been a good process to date.  Slow, but good.

: )
Cheers
Darryl

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Simms
Sent: Monday, 25 June 2012 10:39 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Office 365 Re: You Guys make Me Sick

Interesting is the fact that you didn't even mention the whole Sharepoint
2010 suite of features....
Only the lists.
This is surprising given SP 2010's huge improvements over prior releases.
I would have thought it would be #1 !


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From hans.andersen at phulse.com  Sun Jun 24 20:44:54 2012
From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen)
Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2012 18:44:54 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Comparing Skydrive
In-Reply-To: <sfe7a878.035@cactus.dk>
References: <sfe7a878.035@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <3746F73E-9F6F-4A26-B1D5-235DA88D0BDA@phulse.com>

I'm not concerned about the legal aspect of it on a personal level (although, from a corporate security point of view, I most certainly would be). What does concern me, however, is how much knowledge about me Microsoft and any underpaid data centre technician would have access to. 

One has to also wonder what Microsofts policies to dead or expired storage drives/devices are, etc etc. There is so much to wonder. 

Also, there will undoubtably be some users who use this service to store their music and movies (legal copies or not). Considering my experience with YouTube, where they allow 3rd party media companies to black list your videos automatically (and even have a bot that tries to go through all videos and flag ones that might infringe copyrights), I'm almost certain MS will provide (if they dont already) that service, either willingly or after having been compelled to do it by the music/movie industry. That would be fine if it was done accurately to only target people who upload media they haven't acquired legally, but as with my experience with YouTube, the system is not fair or accurate and I've even had several of my videos flagged as infringing copyright when, in fact, I was using royalty free soundtracks from Apple in their iMovie software and this is a very common complaint online.

Imagine that you suddenly lose access to all your media because of some lazy company, who doesn't care about individuals rights, decided to take down everything that even resembles their content or filenames and MS themselves are too busy to handle all the cases individually as well. This is the case with YouTube right now and it has happened to many other file sharing services as well and I don't have much faith MS could do it much better.

Another cause for concern is precisely what happened to DropBox. Because they don't let you use your own private key to encrypt the data (they encrypt everything on their end with their own encryption key), they ended up accidentally exposing everyone's data to anyone due to a roll out of faulty code to their production servers.

So there's much more to be concerned about than just whether you might get in trouble for what you upload, if you are the type who is so inclined to do that sort of thing.

Best regards,
Hans-Christian Andersen


On 24 Jun 2012, at 14:53, "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:

> Hi Hans
> 
> No reason to be uncertain. Be sure that MS is scared to h... to face a situation where p.rn or the like has been distributed from their servers. Thus, all pictures saved do get scanned by some method to locate "skin" motives and other delicate stuff.
> 
> As always, if you plan to store sensitive material of any kind, legal or not, on remote servers out of your control, encrypt the files.
> 
> /gustav
> 
>>>> hans.andersen at phulse.com 24-06-12 23:33 >>>
> 
> Scratch that. It appears that MS is porting SkyDrive to Linux now. Looks like they have really gone all out (unusually) with this. I might have even given it a try, but I'm uncertain about their data privacy policies and encryption. Shame really.
> 
> Hans
> 
> 
> Best regards,
> Hans-Christian Andersen
> 
> 
> On 24 Jun 2012, at 13:59, "Jim Lawrence" <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:
> 
>> Comparing Skydrive with the other products in the market might give a clue
>> as which offering is best for you.
>> 
>> http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/skydrive/compare
>> 
>> Too bad the product is only Windows based.
>> 
>> Jim
> 
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Mon Jun 25 04:17:31 2012
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2012 11:17:31 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Comparing Skydrive
Message-ID: <sfe848e6.043@cactus.dk>

Hi Hans

As for your privacy where your only protection is encryption, for files not spendable your only protection is a physical backup in your hand.

Of course, indeed the cloud services offering a service for a fee do much to protect your data using backup and replication. However, as you mention, your loss of contact to your data may be caused by other reasons than technical, potentially leaving you in an uncertain period for years while you argue with the hosting company or authorities.

There is only one way to shortcut this: Regular backup to local storage. 
For a business, large or small, it is simply not responsible - as many do - to rely on storing your complete business and ERP data "somewhere" at a cloud service.

/gustav


>>> hans.andersen at phulse.com 25-06-12 3:44 >>>
I'm not concerned about the legal aspect of it on a personal level (although, from a corporate security point of view, I most certainly would be). What does concern me, however, is how much knowledge about me Microsoft and any underpaid data centre technician would have access to. 

One has to also wonder what Microsofts policies to dead or expired storage drives/devices are, etc etc. There is so much to wonder. 

Also, there will undoubtably be some users who use this service to store their music and movies (legal copies or not). Considering my experience with YouTube, where they allow 3rd party media companies to black list your videos automatically (and even have a bot that tries to go through all videos and flag ones that might infringe copyrights), I'm almost certain MS will provide (if they dont already) that service, either willingly or after having been compelled to do it by the music/movie industry. That would be fine if it was done accurately to only target people who upload media they haven't acquired legally, but as with my experience with YouTube, the system is not fair or accurate and I've even had several of my videos flagged as infringing copyright when, in fact, I was using royalty free soundtracks from Apple in their iMovie software and this is a very common complaint online.

Imagine that you suddenly lose access to all your media because of some lazy company, who doesn't care about individuals rights, decided to take down everything that even resembles their content or filenames and MS themselves are too busy to handle all the cases individually as well. This is the case with YouTube right now and it has happened to many other file sharing services as well and I don't have much faith MS could do it much better.

Another cause for concern is precisely what happened to DropBox. Because they don't let you use your own private key to encrypt the data (they encrypt everything on their end with their own encryption key), they ended up accidentally exposing everyone's data to anyone due to a roll out of faulty code to their production servers.

So there's much more to be concerned about than just whether you might get in trouble for what you upload, if you are the type who is so inclined to do that sort of thing.

Best regards,
Hans-Christian Andersen


On 24 Jun 2012, at 14:53, "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:

> Hi Hans
> 
> No reason to be uncertain. Be sure that MS is scared to h... to face a situation where p.rn or the like has been distributed from their servers. Thus, all pictures saved do get scanned by some method to locate "skin" motives and other delicate stuff.
> 
> As always, if you plan to store sensitive material of any kind, legal or not, on remote servers out of your control, encrypt the files.
> 
> /gustav
> 
>>>> hans.andersen at phulse.com 24-06-12 23:33 >>>
> 
> Scratch that. It appears that MS is porting SkyDrive to Linux now. Looks like they have really gone all out (unusually) with this. I might have even given it a try, but I'm uncertain about their data privacy policies and encryption. Shame really.
> 
> Hans
> 
> 
> Best regards,
> Hans-Christian Andersen


From rls at WeBeDb.com  Mon Jun 25 08:11:18 2012
From: rls at WeBeDb.com (Robert Stewart)
Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2012 08:11:18 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Office 365 Re: You Guys make Me Sick
In-Reply-To: <mailman.33.1340615233.15344.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>
References: <mailman.33.1340615233.15344.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <09688345-8637-4716-A11A-63D21FD2EED9@holly.arvixe.com>

SSIS is very powerful.  It is generally used as an ETL (Extract, 
Transform, and Load) tool.
But, you can also move entire databases with it between servers.  You 
can run SQL scripts.
Really, you can do just about anything you can do from T-SQL with 
it.  So, the limitations
are your imagination.

At 04:07 AM 6/25/2012, you wrote:
> > I've experienced the same thing. Both as the interviewers and
> > interviewees.
> >
> > I've used SSIS and DTS for import processes.
> >
> > I've been asked if I've used it for anything else.
> >
> > What other reasons are there to use it?
> >
> > There hasn't been a need for me to do something in a different manner.

Robert L. Stewart
www.WeBeDb.com
www.DBGUIDesign.com
www.RLStewartPhotography.com 

From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Mon Jun 25 08:41:02 2012
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2012 09:41:02 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Weird Form_Close
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1j40TVmUSGpbWKFWi8re_ZyUo+cJARRaVzzyO1b+6X-xQ@mail.gmail.com>

I have a weird problem I cannot trace. There's a switchboard and four
forms. One works correctly, opening and closing  and we're back to the
switchboard. The other three open and close and suddenly the switchboard is
hidden! I've compared the Open and Load events and can see no meaningful
differences.

However, I vaguely recall a workaround that did something like select the
form in the database window. I don't remember the code and I'm not sure it
would work anyway, since the database window is hidden too.

What is the code equivalent to "unhide a window"? Until I resolve this, I
could work around the problem using that.

TIA,

-- 
Arthur
Cell: 647.710.1314

As lousy as things are now, tomorrow they will be somebody's good old days.

- Gerald Barzan

From charlotte.foust at gmail.com  Mon Jun 25 09:23:33 2012
From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2012 07:23:33 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Weird Form_Close
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1j40TVmUSGpbWKFWi8re_ZyUo+cJARRaVzzyO1b+6X-xQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1j40TVmUSGpbWKFWi8re_ZyUo+cJARRaVzzyO1b+6X-xQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAH+Met9mbQmrFjVsH06OaOdKuu8cL8WJDEotdJ8zk_pp=Ku9Ew@mail.gmail.com>

DoCmd.OpenForm should work even when the form is open.  It doesn't matter
if the database window is hidden.

Charlotte Foust

On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 6:41 AM, Arthur Fuller <fuller.artful at gmail.com>wrote:

> I have a weird problem I cannot trace. There's a switchboard and four
> forms. One works correctly, opening and closing  and we're back to the
> switchboard. The other three open and close and suddenly the switchboard is
> hidden! I've compared the Open and Load events and can see no meaningful
> differences.
>
> However, I vaguely recall a workaround that did something like select the
> form in the database window. I don't remember the code and I'm not sure it
> would work anyway, since the database window is hidden too.
>
> What is the code equivalent to "unhide a window"? Until I resolve this, I
> could work around the problem using that.
>
> TIA,
>
> --
> Arthur
> Cell: 647.710.1314
>
> As lousy as things are now, tomorrow they will be somebody's good old days.
>
> - Gerald Barzan
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>
>
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>
>

From vbacreations at gmail.com  Mon Jun 25 09:31:10 2012
From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson)
Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2012 10:31:10 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Weird Form_Close
In-Reply-To: <CAH+Met9mbQmrFjVsH06OaOdKuu8cL8WJDEotdJ8zk_pp=Ku9Ew@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1j40TVmUSGpbWKFWi8re_ZyUo+cJARRaVzzyO1b+6X-xQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAH+Met9mbQmrFjVsH06OaOdKuu8cL8WJDEotdJ8zk_pp=Ku9Ew@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAGuQ9V4=VSNDSpnLLdraEtg-7W72K7+XC+g6QxgLkOrpF04wMA@mail.gmail.com>

If you only want to "open" the form if it were already open you can

set Frm = Forms("formname")

If not frm is Nothing then
  Docmd.OpenForm "formname"
End if

BILL
On Jun 25, 2012 10:25 AM, "Charlotte Foust" <charlotte.foust at gmail.com>
wrote:

> DoCmd.OpenForm should work even when the form is open.  It doesn't matter
> if the database window is hidden.
>
> Charlotte Foust
>
> On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 6:41 AM, Arthur Fuller <fuller.artful at gmail.com
> >wrote:
>
> > I have a weird problem I cannot trace. There's a switchboard and four
> > forms. One works correctly, opening and closing  and we're back to the
> > switchboard. The other three open and close and suddenly the switchboard
> is
> > hidden! I've compared the Open and Load events and can see no meaningful
> > differences.
> >
> > However, I vaguely recall a workaround that did something like select the
> > form in the database window. I don't remember the code and I'm not sure
> it
> > would work anyway, since the database window is hidden too.
> >
> > What is the code equivalent to "unhide a window"? Until I resolve this, I
> > could work around the problem using that.
> >
> > TIA,
> >
> > --
> > Arthur
> > Cell: 647.710.1314
> >
> > As lousy as things are now, tomorrow they will be somebody's good old
> days.
> >
> > - Gerald Barzan
> > --
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> >
> >
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> >
> >
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>

From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Mon Jun 25 09:46:16 2012
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2012 10:46:16 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Weird Form_Close
In-Reply-To: <CAGuQ9V4=VSNDSpnLLdraEtg-7W72K7+XC+g6QxgLkOrpF04wMA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1j40TVmUSGpbWKFWi8re_ZyUo+cJARRaVzzyO1b+6X-xQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAH+Met9mbQmrFjVsH06OaOdKuu8cL8WJDEotdJ8zk_pp=Ku9Ew@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAGuQ9V4=VSNDSpnLLdraEtg-7W72K7+XC+g6QxgLkOrpF04wMA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1iHmRsO2Kqq04uH-m8-RBhsBf364T71=DdJiTzOH_x1CQ@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks to both of you.
A.

On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 10:31 AM, William Benson <vbacreations at gmail.com>wrote:

> If you only want to "open" the form if it were already open you can
>
> set Frm = Forms("formname")
>
> If not frm is Nothing then
>  Docmd.OpenForm "formname"
> End if
>
> BILL
> On Jun 25, 2012 10:25 AM, "Charlotte Foust" <charlotte.foust at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > DoCmd.OpenForm should work even when the form is open.  It doesn't matter
> > if the database window is hidden.
> >
> > Charlotte Foust
> >
> > On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 6:41 AM, Arthur Fuller <fuller.artful at gmail.com
> > >wrote:
> >
> > > I have a weird problem I cannot trace. There's a switchboard and four
> > > forms. One works correctly, opening and closing  and we're back to the
> > > switchboard. The other three open and close and suddenly the
> switchboard
> > is
> > > hidden! I've compared the Open and Load events and can see no
> meaningful
> > > differences.
> > >
> > > However, I vaguely recall a workaround that did something like select
> the
> > > form in the database window. I don't remember the code and I'm not sure
> > it
> > > would work anyway, since the database window is hidden too.
> > >
> > > What is the code equivalent to "unhide a window"? Until I resolve
> this, I
> > > could work around the problem using that.
> > >
> > > TIA,
> > >
> > > --
> > > Arthur
> > > Cell: 647.710.1314
> > >
> > > As lousy as things are now, tomorrow they will be somebody's good old
> > days.
> > >
> > > - Gerald Barzan
> > > --
> > > AccessD mailing list
> > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > >
> > >
> > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > --
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>



-- 
Arthur
Cell: 647.710.1314

Prediction is difficult, especially of the future.
  -- Niels Bohr

From davidmcafee at gmail.com  Mon Jun 25 11:17:29 2012
From: davidmcafee at gmail.com (David McAfee)
Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2012 09:17:29 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] SSIS was (Office 365 Re: You Guys make Me Sick)
Message-ID: <CAMhYZWYUhFXcxYNafNTiDK-TCRky7sSVbe_g0BxhNLV4H91Nfg@mail.gmail.com>

But that's the thing, what is the thing I should be doing in SSIS that I'm
not already doing via TSQL?

I have jobs that run  every hour, if certain conditions are met/found/not
met/not found I am (or other people are) emailed.

I have another job that backs up the database on the live server.
The file is copied over via a C# program that I have that runs at midnight.
I have another job that restores the database on a development server a few
minutes later.

I guess that would be something that SSIS could handle a little less "rube
goldberg-ish" than the way I am currently doing it.

But seriously, I have yet to hear of something that SSIS does that I am
missing out on.

D

On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 6:11 AM, Robert Stewart <rls at webedb.com> wrote:

> SSIS is very powerful.  It is generally used as an ETL (Extract,
> Transform, and Load) tool.
> But, you can also move entire databases with it between servers.  You can
> run SQL scripts.
> Really, you can do just about anything you can do from T-SQL with it.  So,
> the limitations
> are your imagination.
>
> At 04:07 AM 6/25/2012, you wrote:
>
>> > I've experienced the same thing. Both as the interviewers and
>> > interviewees.
>> >
>> > I've used SSIS and DTS for import processes.
>> >
>> > I've been asked if I've used it for anything else.
>> >
>> > What other reasons are there to use it?
>> >
>> > There hasn't been a need for me to do something in a different manner.
>>
>
> Robert L. Stewart
> www.WeBeDb.com
> www.DBGUIDesign.com
> www.RLStewartPhotography.com
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/accessd<http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd>
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.**com<http://www.databaseadvisors.com>
>

From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Mon Jun 25 16:16:23 2012
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2012 17:16:23 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] SSIS was (Office 365 Re: You Guys make Me Sick)
In-Reply-To: <CAMhYZWYUhFXcxYNafNTiDK-TCRky7sSVbe_g0BxhNLV4H91Nfg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAMhYZWYUhFXcxYNafNTiDK-TCRky7sSVbe_g0BxhNLV4H91Nfg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1h+nHEF7OZHVagkRofmYoU98hTS5zhgTvWhxbOZFh-ycQ@mail.gmail.com>

David,

Scheduled jobs and backup/restores are easy in T-SQL, and even easier in
SMO. But that's hardly the point.

As Robert said, a major strength of SSIS is ETL (Extract, Load, Transform).
That kind of job is made so much easier with SSIS that I couldn't even
imagine writing the T-SQL I'd need to accomplish the same thing. A couple
of example should suffice:

1. Suck in a flat file that originated on a mainframe, examine it row by
row, and then insert parts of each row into different tables (Customers,
Orders, OrderItems) depending on what's found in the particular row.
2. Map an Oracle database to a SQL Server database, where the tables barely
match and the column names may differ significantly. Add to that such
niceties as one database is in 3NF and the other is in BCNF.

Yeah, one could write the T-SQL to do both of these jobs, but no thanks.
I'd rather use a GUI designed for such tasks, with decision trees, visual
column-mapping, and other neat tools.

Arthur

On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 12:17 PM, David McAfee <davidmcafee at gmail.com>wrote:

> But that's the thing, what is the thing I should be doing in SSIS that I'm
> not already doing via TSQL?
>

From davidmcafee at gmail.com  Mon Jun 25 16:37:30 2012
From: davidmcafee at gmail.com (David McAfee)
Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2012 14:37:30 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] SSIS was (Office 365 Re: You Guys make Me Sick)
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1h+nHEF7OZHVagkRofmYoU98hTS5zhgTvWhxbOZFh-ycQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAMhYZWYUhFXcxYNafNTiDK-TCRky7sSVbe_g0BxhNLV4H91Nfg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAEPJO1h+nHEF7OZHVagkRofmYoU98hTS5zhgTvWhxbOZFh-ycQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAMhYZWYUpz0MTQ_C0U-W1J_Dkp8A7J3G3bHcVQZDeHMv=iekVA@mail.gmail.com>

Arthur, I do understand the ETL part of SSIS.

The thing is I've been asked is if I've used SSIS for anything else besides
ETL.

What else is there?

D

On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 2:16 PM, Arthur Fuller <fuller.artful at gmail.com>wrote:

> David,
>
> Scheduled jobs and backup/restores are easy in T-SQL, and even easier in
> SMO. But that's hardly the point.
>
> As Robert said, a major strength of SSIS is ETL (Extract, Load, Transform).
> That kind of job is made so much easier with SSIS that I couldn't even
> imagine writing the T-SQL I'd need to accomplish the same thing. A couple
> of example should suffice:
>
> 1. Suck in a flat file that originated on a mainframe, examine it row by
> row, and then insert parts of each row into different tables (Customers,
> Orders, OrderItems) depending on what's found in the particular row.
> 2. Map an Oracle database to a SQL Server database, where the tables barely
> match and the column names may differ significantly. Add to that such
> niceties as one database is in 3NF and the other is in BCNF.
>
> Yeah, one could write the T-SQL to do both of these jobs, but no thanks.
> I'd rather use a GUI designed for such tasks, with decision trees, visual
> column-mapping, and other neat tools.
>
> Arthur
>
> On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 12:17 PM, David McAfee <davidmcafee at gmail.com
> >wrote:
>
> > But that's the thing, what is the thing I should be doing in SSIS that
> I'm
> > not already doing via TSQL?
> >
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>

From darren at activebilling.com.au  Tue Jun 26 18:47:46 2012
From: darren at activebilling.com.au (Darren)
Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2012 09:47:46 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Exchange Rate - Currency Converter thingy
Message-ID: <074501cd53f6$18abb9a0$4a032ce0$@activebilling.com.au>

Hi Team,

A couple of years ago I read an article that had some sample VBA code on how
to make contact with a webservice and retrieve currency conversions.

I wrote a nice little interface to it in Access and all was well with the
world.

I have a need for this little app but can't, for the life of me, find it
anywhere.

Anyone know of any code etc. that might help me re-build this thingy?

Many thanks in advance

Darren

 


From jackandpat.d at gmail.com  Tue Jun 26 19:24:14 2012
From: jackandpat.d at gmail.com (jack drawbridge)
Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2012 20:24:14 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Exchange Rate - Currency Converter thingy
In-Reply-To: <074501cd53f6$18abb9a0$4a032ce0$@activebilling.com.au>
References: <074501cd53f6$18abb9a0$4a032ce0$@activebilling.com.au>
Message-ID: <CAKvidAuqPoUshoVG+tVZDnyd_K2gsDhzcY2a=F10OnqymvHHvw@mail.gmail.com>

Darren:

I have this code in a module as a reference (from Utteraccess) - perhaps it
will help.
Jack

'---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
' Procedure : GetExchangeRates
' Author    : Jack from UtterAccess doctor9
' Date      : 21-11-2011
' Purpose   : Interact with a web page
'---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
' Last Modified:
'
' Inputs: N/A
' Dependency: N/A
'--------------------------------------------------------------------------
'
Public Sub GetExchangeRates()

          Dim ie As Object, strSource As String, strSQL As String
          Dim strCountry As String, intMultiplier As Integer, sngRate As
Single

10       On Error GoTo GetExchangeRates_Error

20        Set ie = CreateObject("internetexplorer.application")

      '   No need to show the user the web page if we're just getting
values from it
30        ie.Visible = False

      '   Open the web page in our custom object
40        ie.Navigate "www.bnr.ro/nbrfxrates.xml"

      '   Wait until the web page is done loading
TryAgain:
50        While ie.Busy
60           DoEvents
70        Wend

      '   Get the outerHTML, which includes the XML on the web page
80        On Error GoTo TryAgain
90        strSource = ie.Document.body.outerHTML
100       On Error GoTo 0

      '   As long as there's another rate to read, keep looping
110       While InStr(1, strSource, "Rate</SPAN><SPAN class=t> currency") >
0

      '       Strip the front of the html text up to the country's initials
120           strSource = Mid(strSource, InStr(1, strSource, _
                                              "Rate</SPAN><SPAN class=t>
currency") + 67)
      '       Assign the country initials to strCountry
130           strCountry = Left(strSource, InStr(1, strSource, "<") - 1)

      '       Strip away the country initials
140           strSource = Mid(strSource, InStr(1, strSource, "<") + 1)

      '       If there's a multiplier, extract it, otherwise skip it
150           If InStr(1, strSource, "multiplier") < 50 And _
                 InStr(1, strSource, "multiplier") > 0 Then
      '           Strip up through the word "multiplier"
160               strSource = Mid(strSource, InStr(1, strSource,
"multiplier") + 10)
      '           Then strip up through the first BOLD markup
170               strSource = Mid(strSource, InStr(1, strSource, "<B>") + 3)
      '           Assign the multiplier value to intMultiplier
180               intMultiplier = CInt(Left(strSource, InStr(1, strSource,
"<") - 1))
190           Else
      '           Default multiplier if there isn't one
200               intMultiplier = 1
210           End If
      '       Strip away the leading characters before the exchange rate
220           strSource = Mid(strSource, InStr(1, strSource, "class=tx") +
9)
      '       Assign the exchange rate to sngRate
230           sngRate = CSng(Mid(strSource, 1, InStr(1, strSource, "<") -
1))

      '       Create an Append Query using our three found values, and run
it
240           strSQL = "INSERT INTO tblExchangeRates " & _
                       "( strCountryInitials, intMultiplier, sngRate ) " & _
                       "VALUES ('" & strCountry & "'," & _
                       intMultiplier & ", " & sngRate & ");"

             '** Adjusted  Jed
             '''''' CurrentDb.Execute strSQL, dbFailOnError

             ' Get Canadian Dollar
             'If strCountry = "CAD" Then
             Debug.Print strCountry & "   " & intMultiplier & "   " &
sngRate
            ' Else
            ' End If
250       Wend

      '   Remove the Internet Explorer object from memory
260       Set ie = Nothing

270      On Error GoTo 0
280      Exit Sub

GetExchangeRates_Error:

290       MsgBox "Error " & Err.number & " (" & Err.Description & ") in
procedure GetExchangeRates of Module Module2"

End Sub

On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 7:47 PM, Darren <darren at activebilling.com.au> wrote:

> Hi Team,
>
> A couple of years ago I read an article that had some sample VBA code on
> how
> to make contact with a webservice and retrieve currency conversions.
>
> I wrote a nice little interface to it in Access and all was well with the
> world.
>
> I have a need for this little app but can't, for the life of me, find it
> anywhere.
>
> Anyone know of any code etc. that might help me re-build this thingy?
>
> Many thanks in advance
>
> Darren
>
>
>
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>

From darren at activebilling.com.au  Tue Jun 26 20:10:32 2012
From: darren at activebilling.com.au (Darren)
Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2012 11:10:32 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Exchange Rate - Currency Converter thingy
In-Reply-To: <CAKvidAuqPoUshoVG+tVZDnyd_K2gsDhzcY2a=F10OnqymvHHvw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <074501cd53f6$18abb9a0$4a032ce0$@activebilling.com.au>
	<CAKvidAuqPoUshoVG+tVZDnyd_K2gsDhzcY2a=F10OnqymvHHvw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <07a001cd5401$a878ec50$f96ac4f0$@activebilling.com.au>

It works a treat - Genius stuff Jack
Now - How would I pass a Currency Value of Say One Canadian Dollar to see
what this equates to in British pounds?
I want to build a 4 field interface
2 drop down lists (From currency and To Currency) 
The amount to convert (Default = 1) 
And a Result field
Again many thanks in advance
Darren


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jack drawbridge
Sent: Wednesday, 27 June 2012 10:24 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Exchange Rate - Currency Converter thingy

Darren:

I have this code in a module as a reference (from Utteraccess) - perhaps it
will help.
Jack

'---------------------------------------------------------------------------
------------
' Procedure : GetExchangeRates
' Author    : Jack from UtterAccess doctor9
' Date      : 21-11-2011
' Purpose   : Interact with a web page
'---------------------------------------------------------------------------
------------
' Last Modified:
'
' Inputs: N/A
' Dependency: N/A
'--------------------------------------------------------------------------
'
Public Sub GetExchangeRates()

          Dim ie As Object, strSource As String, strSQL As String
          Dim strCountry As String, intMultiplier As Integer, sngRate As
Single

10       On Error GoTo GetExchangeRates_Error

20        Set ie = CreateObject("internetexplorer.application")

      '   No need to show the user the web page if we're just getting
values from it
30        ie.Visible = False

      '   Open the web page in our custom object
40        ie.Navigate "www.bnr.ro/nbrfxrates.xml"

      '   Wait until the web page is done loading
TryAgain:
50        While ie.Busy
60           DoEvents
70        Wend

      '   Get the outerHTML, which includes the XML on the web page
80        On Error GoTo TryAgain
90        strSource = ie.Document.body.outerHTML
100       On Error GoTo 0

      '   As long as there's another rate to read, keep looping
110       While InStr(1, strSource, "Rate</SPAN><SPAN class=t> currency") >
0

      '       Strip the front of the html text up to the country's initials
120           strSource = Mid(strSource, InStr(1, strSource, _
                                              "Rate</SPAN><SPAN class=t>
currency") + 67)
      '       Assign the country initials to strCountry
130           strCountry = Left(strSource, InStr(1, strSource, "<") - 1)

      '       Strip away the country initials
140           strSource = Mid(strSource, InStr(1, strSource, "<") + 1)

      '       If there's a multiplier, extract it, otherwise skip it
150           If InStr(1, strSource, "multiplier") < 50 And _
                 InStr(1, strSource, "multiplier") > 0 Then
      '           Strip up through the word "multiplier"
160               strSource = Mid(strSource, InStr(1, strSource,
"multiplier") + 10)
      '           Then strip up through the first BOLD markup
170               strSource = Mid(strSource, InStr(1, strSource, "<B>") + 3)
      '           Assign the multiplier value to intMultiplier
180               intMultiplier = CInt(Left(strSource, InStr(1, strSource,
"<") - 1))
190           Else
      '           Default multiplier if there isn't one
200               intMultiplier = 1
210           End If
      '       Strip away the leading characters before the exchange rate
220           strSource = Mid(strSource, InStr(1, strSource, "class=tx") +
9)
      '       Assign the exchange rate to sngRate
230           sngRate = CSng(Mid(strSource, 1, InStr(1, strSource, "<") -
1))

      '       Create an Append Query using our three found values, and run
it
240           strSQL = "INSERT INTO tblExchangeRates " & _
                       "( strCountryInitials, intMultiplier, sngRate ) " & _
                       "VALUES ('" & strCountry & "'," & _
                       intMultiplier & ", " & sngRate & ");"

             '** Adjusted  Jed
             '''''' CurrentDb.Execute strSQL, dbFailOnError

             ' Get Canadian Dollar
             'If strCountry = "CAD" Then
             Debug.Print strCountry & "   " & intMultiplier & "   " &
sngRate
            ' Else
            ' End If
250       Wend

      '   Remove the Internet Explorer object from memory
260       Set ie = Nothing

270      On Error GoTo 0
280      Exit Sub

GetExchangeRates_Error:

290       MsgBox "Error " & Err.number & " (" & Err.Description & ") in
procedure GetExchangeRates of Module Module2"

End Sub

On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 7:47 PM, Darren <darren at activebilling.com.au> wrote:

> Hi Team,
>
> A couple of years ago I read an article that had some sample VBA code 
> on how to make contact with a webservice and retrieve currency 
> conversions.
>
> I wrote a nice little interface to it in Access and all was well with 
> the world.
>
> I have a need for this little app but can't, for the life of me, find 
> it anywhere.
>
> Anyone know of any code etc. that might help me re-build this thingy?
>
> Many thanks in advance
>
> Darren
>
>
>
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue Jun 26 22:53:01 2012
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2012 23:53:01 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: The things we have to do / know / figure out
Message-ID: <4FEA839D.7060701@colbyconsulting.com>

I installed a driver for my Areca RAID controller on my Windows 2008R2 server.  It seems that the 
driver was unsigned.  The next time I booted it refused to boot saying that the driver is unsigned.

I have never run into this before.  It cannot be worked around. There is a selection in the boot 
menu to disable driver signing but that only works for that boot cycle.  Thus in order to boot one 
has to hit F8 and select that menu item whereupon the system boots (that cycle).

The "accepted practice" is to use this to uninstall the unsigned driver.  PERIOD!

Uhhh excuse me but I need my RAID system.

Anyway after some googling, it appears that there is a "test mode" and a third party app that will 
"sign" the driver with an unauthenticated signature file which only works in "test mode".

So an hour later I am booting again but in "test mode" whatever that may be.

-- 
John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it



From accessd at shaw.ca  Tue Jun 26 23:11:56 2012
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2012 21:11:56 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OT: The things we have to do / know / figure out
In-Reply-To: <4FEA839D.7060701@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4FEA839D.7060701@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <EEA92F7C4A2E454188AC8D4647E6937D@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Hilarious, in a sort of twisted way. 

We knew authentication was coming and now its here. I have some concerns
with later versions of windows as they may not accept third-party software
unless it is appropriately vetted through the correct channels (translation;
higher costs). These issues will rarely affect a good hundred percent
Windows shop but for those of us who mix various applications depending on
our requirements, we may be in for a rough ride.

Jim 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 8:53 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] OT: The things we have to do / know / figure out

I installed a driver for my Areca RAID controller on my Windows 2008R2
server.  It seems that the 
driver was unsigned.  The next time I booted it refused to boot saying that
the driver is unsigned.

I have never run into this before.  It cannot be worked around. There is a
selection in the boot 
menu to disable driver signing but that only works for that boot cycle.
Thus in order to boot one 
has to hit F8 and select that menu item whereupon the system boots (that
cycle).

The "accepted practice" is to use this to uninstall the unsigned driver.
PERIOD!

Uhhh excuse me but I need my RAID system.

Anyway after some googling, it appears that there is a "test mode" and a
third party app that will 
"sign" the driver with an unauthenticated signature file which only works in
"test mode".

So an hour later I am booting again but in "test mode" whatever that may be.

-- 
John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it


-- 
AccessD mailing list
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Wed Jun 27 03:39:59 2012
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2012 10:39:59 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Exchange Rate - Currency Converter thingy
Message-ID: <sfeae30c.009@cactus.dk>

Hi Darren et al

Also note that the EU has this official site, InforEuro:

http://ec.europa.eu/budget/contracts_grants/info_contracts/inforeuro/inforeuro_en.cfm

with monthly exchange rates from the European Central Bank all the way back from 1994 to the current month between Euro and just about any currency.

Data can be viewed on-line or downloaded in XML (though named as XLS files) or CSV format.

As rates are with six significant digits, you can create a triangular conversion between any two currencies with a decent precision.

/gustav


>>> darren at activebilling.com.au 27-06-12 1:47 >>>
Hi Team,

A couple of years ago I read an article that had some sample VBA code on how
to make contact with a webservice and retrieve currency conversions.

I wrote a nice little interface to it in Access and all was well with the
world.

I have a need for this little app but can't, for the life of me, find it
anywhere.

Anyone know of any code etc. that might help me re-build this thingy?

Many thanks in advance

Darren


From jackandpat.d at gmail.com  Wed Jun 27 07:19:31 2012
From: jackandpat.d at gmail.com (jack drawbridge)
Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2012 08:19:31 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Exchange Rate - Currency Converter thingy
In-Reply-To: <sfeae30c.009@cactus.dk>
References: <sfeae30c.009@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <CAKvidAudURz4MMhbDp3unRTVieYBq+tyisWtLv=2pOQ149rHfg@mail.gmail.com>

Darren,
I got the code from UtterAccess and have not done much with it. I did find
another site
http://www.ecb.int/stats/eurofxref/eurofxref-daily.xml (European Central
Bank) that was referenced in some materials and provides a list of
currencies and the latest Euro relationship. However, I think Gustav's link
is the "official site".

I am interested in learning how to get material from the website using vba.
If anyone has
good examples or tutorial for same or use of XMLHTTP , DOM etc with vba,
please provide coordinates.

Darren I thought you were familiar with the processes involved and just
needed some base code to work with. Like many things, I find a few
"procedures/routines" and save them for when I have more time(ha ha).

Thanks Gustav for the site info.
Jack

On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 4:39 AM, Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:

> Hi Darren et al
>
> Also note that the EU has this official site, InforEuro:
>
>
> http://ec.europa.eu/budget/contracts_grants/info_contracts/inforeuro/inforeuro_en.cfm
>
> with monthly exchange rates from the European Central Bank all the way
> back from 1994 to the current month between Euro and just about any
> currency.
>
> Data can be viewed on-line or downloaded in XML (though named as XLS
> files) or CSV format.
>
> As rates are with six significant digits, you can create a triangular
> conversion between any two currencies with a decent precision.
>
> /gustav
>
>
> >>> darren at activebilling.com.au 27-06-12 1:47 >>>
> Hi Team,
>
> A couple of years ago I read an article that had some sample VBA code on
> how
> to make contact with a webservice and retrieve currency conversions.
>
> I wrote a nice little interface to it in Access and all was well with the
> world.
>
> I have a need for this little app but can't, for the life of me, find it
> anywhere.
>
> Anyone know of any code etc. that might help me re-build this thingy?
>
> Many thanks in advance
>
> Darren
>
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>

From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed Jun 27 08:59:37 2012
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2012 09:59:37 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Gotta love it
Message-ID: <4FEB11C9.6050509@colbyconsulting.com>

I was rebuilding my sql server yesterday and I accidentally selected Standard edition instead of 
enterprise.  I'm using it for awhile and suddenly notice that it only displays 32 gigs of usable 
memory in task manager.  Computer properties displays 64 gigs.

I knew that I had 64g installed so I had set SQL Server to use 64g so it was taking everything (as 
it normally does).  All OS kind of stuff (browsers, explorer etc)  is painfully sloooow... as every 
time anything needs memory it has to ask SQL Server to release some memory.

I kept going to computer properties to see my memory.  It took awhile to click that I had installed 
Standard Edition.  Of course I was doing this on too little sleep...

-- 
John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it



From gustav at cactus.dk  Wed Jun 27 09:15:55 2012
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2012 16:15:55 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Exchange Rate - Currency Converter thingy
Message-ID: <sfeb31ce.021@cactus.dk>

Hi Jack

No, ecb.int is indeed the official site of the European Central Bank.
Lots of info can be pulled here as well. Notice for example the excellent graph here for the USD exchange rate:

http://www.ecb.int/stats/exchange/eurofxref/html/eurofxref-graph-usd.en.html

and the little link mid-right: -> XML (SDMX-ML) data file
for the selection of data you have done with the slider controls.

The site I referred to below is one of many of the European Union which offer lots of statistical material. 
It has just been decided that a goal (over some time) is to make all public data of the EU accessible for everyone to encourage businesses to extract whatever knowledge there may be hidden in this huge amount of data.

/gustav


>>> jackandpat.d at gmail.com 27-06-12 14:19 >>>
Darren,
I got the code from UtterAccess and have not done much with it. I did find
another site
http://www.ecb.int/stats/eurofxref/eurofxref-daily.xml (European Central
Bank) that was referenced in some materials and provides a list of
currencies and the latest Euro relationship. However, I think Gustav's link
is the "official site".

I am interested in learning how to get material from the website using vba.
If anyone has
good examples or tutorial for same or use of XMLHTTP , DOM etc with vba,
please provide coordinates.

Darren I thought you were familiar with the processes involved and just
needed some base code to work with. Like many things, I find a few
"procedures/routines" and save them for when I have more time(ha ha).

Thanks Gustav for the site info.
Jack

On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 4:39 AM, Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:

> Hi Darren et al
>
> Also note that the EU has this official site, InforEuro:
>
>
> http://ec.europa.eu/budget/contracts_grants/info_contracts/inforeuro/inforeuro_en.cfm
>
> with monthly exchange rates from the European Central Bank all the way
> back from 1994 to the current month between Euro and just about any
> currency.
>
> Data can be viewed on-line or downloaded in XML (though named as XLS
> files) or CSV format.
>
> As rates are with six significant digits, you can create a triangular
> conversion between any two currencies with a decent precision.
>
> /gustav
>
>
> >>> darren at activebilling.com.au 27-06-12 1:47 >>>
> Hi Team,
>
> A couple of years ago I read an article that had some sample VBA code on
> how
> to make contact with a webservice and retrieve currency conversions.
>
> I wrote a nice little interface to it in Access and all was well with the
> world.
>
> I have a need for this little app but can't, for the life of me, find it
> anywhere.
>
> Anyone know of any code etc. that might help me re-build this thingy?
>
> Many thanks in advance
>
> Darren


From jackandpat.d at gmail.com  Wed Jun 27 09:18:59 2012
From: jackandpat.d at gmail.com (jack drawbridge)
Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2012 10:18:59 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Gotta love it
In-Reply-To: <4FEB11C9.6050509@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4FEB11C9.6050509@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <CAKvidAsCLTC8Qp5NEbvbfEnaysFiUg2Ax4eK2dffO+9rmYeR3A@mail.gmail.com>

Another myth busted -- I didn't think you ever sleep.
Glad you're getting things working again.

On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 9:59 AM, jwcolby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>wrote:

> I was rebuilding my sql server yesterday and I accidentally selected
> Standard edition instead of enterprise.  I'm using it for awhile and
> suddenly notice that it only displays 32 gigs of usable memory in task
> manager.  Computer properties displays 64 gigs.
>
> I knew that I had 64g installed so I had set SQL Server to use 64g so it
> was taking everything (as it normally does).  All OS kind of stuff
> (browsers, explorer etc)  is painfully sloooow... as every time anything
> needs memory it has to ask SQL Server to release some memory.
>
> I kept going to computer properties to see my memory.  It took awhile to
> click that I had installed Standard Edition.  Of course I was doing this on
> too little sleep...
>
> --
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
>
> Reality is what refuses to go away
> when you do not believe in it
>
>
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/accessd<http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd>
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.**com<http://www.databaseadvisors.com>
>

From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed Jun 27 09:51:45 2012
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2012 10:51:45 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Gotta love it
In-Reply-To: <CAKvidAsCLTC8Qp5NEbvbfEnaysFiUg2Ax4eK2dffO+9rmYeR3A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4FEB11C9.6050509@colbyconsulting.com>
	<CAKvidAsCLTC8Qp5NEbvbfEnaysFiUg2Ax4eK2dffO+9rmYeR3A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4FEB1E01.70809@colbyconsulting.com>

Unfortunately I don't get enough.  In the last week it has been 5 hours a night.  Last night was 4. 
  My body does not like this!

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it


On 6/27/2012 10:18 AM, jack drawbridge wrote:
> Another myth busted -- I didn't think you ever sleep.
> Glad you're getting things working again.
>
> On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 9:59 AM, jwcolby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>wrote:
>
>> I was rebuilding my sql server yesterday and I accidentally selected
>> Standard edition instead of enterprise.  I'm using it for awhile and
>> suddenly notice that it only displays 32 gigs of usable memory in task
>> manager.  Computer properties displays 64 gigs.
>>
>> I knew that I had 64g installed so I had set SQL Server to use 64g so it
>> was taking everything (as it normally does).  All OS kind of stuff
>> (browsers, explorer etc)  is painfully sloooow... as every time anything
>> needs memory it has to ask SQL Server to release some memory.
>>
>> I kept going to computer properties to see my memory.  It took awhile to
>> click that I had installed Standard Edition.  Of course I was doing this on
>> too little sleep...
>>
>> --
>> John W. Colby
>> Colby Consulting
>>
>> Reality is what refuses to go away
>> when you do not believe in it
>>
>>
>> --
>> AccessD mailing list
>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>> http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/accessd<http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd>
>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.**com<http://www.databaseadvisors.com>
>>



From BradM at blackforestltd.com  Wed Jun 27 13:19:46 2012
From: BradM at blackforestltd.com (Brad Marks)
Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2012 13:19:46 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Windows-7 (64 Bit) ODBC Driver Issue
References: <4FEB11C9.6050509@colbyconsulting.com><CAKvidAsCLTC8Qp5NEbvbfEnaysFiUg2Ax4eK2dffO+9rmYeR3A@mail.gmail.com>
	<4FEB1E01.70809@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C50161B1FB@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>

All,

We have an Access 2010 (32 bit) application that uses ODBC to access
data in a Firebird database.

This is currently working nicely on a number of PCs that are running
Windows XP or Windows-7 32 bit.

Today, a new computer arrived which has Windows-7 64 bit.
The Firebird Database ODBC Driver that we have been using is 32 bit.  We
cannot get it to work.

I am confused.

Do we need a 64-bit ODBC driver because we have Windows-7 (64 bit), even
though we are running Access 2010 (32-bit).

Will a 64-bit ODBC driver work with Access 2010 (32 bit)?

Thanks for your help,

Brad


From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed Jun 27 13:49:41 2012
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2012 14:49:41 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Windows-7 (64 Bit) ODBC Driver Issue
In-Reply-To: <E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C50161B1FB@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
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 > Do we need a 64-bit ODBC driver because we have Windows-7 (64 bit), even though we are running 
Access 2010 (32-bit).

No, 64 bit drivers don't work with Office x32.

It sounds like maybe the Access installed on that system is X64 and you are trying to use an X32 driver.


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it


On 6/27/2012 2:19 PM, Brad Marks wrote:
> All,
>
> We have an Access 2010 (32 bit) application that uses ODBC to access
> data in a Firebird database.
>
> This is currently working nicely on a number of PCs that are running
> Windows XP or Windows-7 32 bit.
>
> Today, a new computer arrived which has Windows-7 64 bit.
> The Firebird Database ODBC Driver that we have been using is 32 bit.  We
> cannot get it to work.
>
> I am confused.
>
> Do we need a 64-bit ODBC driver because we have Windows-7 (64 bit), even
> though we are running Access 2010 (32-bit).
>
> Will a 64-bit ODBC driver work with Access 2010 (32 bit)?
>
> Thanks for your help,
>
> Brad
>



From BradM at blackforestltd.com  Wed Jun 27 15:05:46 2012
From: BradM at blackforestltd.com (Brad Marks)
Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2012 15:05:46 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Windows-7 (64 Bit) ODBC Driver Issue
References: <4FEB11C9.6050509@colbyconsulting.com><CAKvidAsCLTC8Qp5NEbvbfEnaysFiUg2Ax4eK2dffO+9rmYeR3A@mail.gmail.com><4FEB1E01.70809@colbyconsulting.com><E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C50161B1FB@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
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John,

Thanks for the help.

The new PC has Windows-7 (64 bit), but Access is 32 bit.

It sounds like the 32 Bit ODBC Driver should work.

When I try to set up ODBC and test the connection, the test fails.

Really puzzled.

Brad 

 

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Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2012 1:50 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Windows-7 (64 Bit) ODBC Driver Issue

 > Do we need a 64-bit ODBC driver because we have Windows-7 (64 bit),
even though we are running 
Access 2010 (32-bit).

No, 64 bit drivers don't work with Office x32.

It sounds like maybe the Access installed on that system is X64 and you
are trying to use an X32 driver.


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it


On 6/27/2012 2:19 PM, Brad Marks wrote:
> All,
>
> We have an Access 2010 (32 bit) application that uses ODBC to access
> data in a Firebird database.
>
> This is currently working nicely on a number of PCs that are running
> Windows XP or Windows-7 32 bit.
>
> Today, a new computer arrived which has Windows-7 64 bit.
> The Firebird Database ODBC Driver that we have been using is 32 bit.
We
> cannot get it to work.
>
> I am confused.
>
> Do we need a 64-bit ODBC driver because we have Windows-7 (64 bit),
even
> though we are running Access 2010 (32-bit).
>
> Will a 64-bit ODBC driver work with Access 2010 (32 bit)?
>
> Thanks for your help,
>
> Brad
>


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From lmrazek at lcm-res.com  Wed Jun 27 15:20:32 2012
From: lmrazek at lcm-res.com (Lawrence Mrazek)
Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2012 15:20:32 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Windows-7 (64 Bit) ODBC Driver Issue
In-Reply-To: <E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C50161B24B@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
References: <4FEB11C9.6050509@colbyconsulting.com>
	<CAKvidAsCLTC8Qp5NEbvbfEnaysFiUg2Ax4eK2dffO+9rmYeR3A@mail.gmail.com>
	<4FEB1E01.70809@colbyconsulting.com>
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For servers, I've had to create the DSN via:
C:\Windows\SysWOW64\odbcad32.exe. I've had to use it to create
connections to SQL from Access.

You might want to check to see if you have that file on your system.

Larry Mrazek
lmrazek at lcm-res.com

On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 3:05 PM, Brad Marks <BradM at blackforestltd.com> wrote:
>
> John,
>
> Thanks for the help.
>
> The new PC has Windows-7 (64 bit), but Access is 32 bit.
>
> It sounds like the 32 Bit ODBC Driver should work.
>
> When I try to set up ODBC and test the connection, the test fails.
>
> Really puzzled.
>
> Brad
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
> Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2012 1:50 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Windows-7 (64 Bit) ODBC Driver Issue
>
> ?> Do we need a 64-bit ODBC driver because we have Windows-7 (64 bit),
> even though we are running
> Access 2010 (32-bit).
>
> No, 64 bit drivers don't work with Office x32.
>
> It sounds like maybe the Access installed on that system is X64 and you
> are trying to use an X32 driver.
>
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
>
> Reality is what refuses to go away
> when you do not believe in it
>
>
> On 6/27/2012 2:19 PM, Brad Marks wrote:
> > All,
> >
> > We have an Access 2010 (32 bit) application that uses ODBC to access
> > data in a Firebird database.
> >
> > This is currently working nicely on a number of PCs that are running
> > Windows XP or Windows-7 32 bit.
> >
> > Today, a new computer arrived which has Windows-7 64 bit.
> > The Firebird Database ODBC Driver that we have been using is 32 bit.
> We
> > cannot get it to work.
> >
> > I am confused.
> >
> > Do we need a 64-bit ODBC driver because we have Windows-7 (64 bit),
> even
> > though we are running Access 2010 (32-bit).
> >
> > Will a 64-bit ODBC driver work with Access 2010 (32 bit)?
> >
> > Thanks for your help,
> >
> > Brad
> >
>
>
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From jimdettman at verizon.net  Wed Jun 27 18:12:15 2012
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2012 19:12:15 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Windows-7 (64 Bit) ODBC Driver Issue
In-Reply-To: <E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C50161B24B@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
References: <4FEB11C9.6050509@colbyconsulting.com><CAKvidAsCLTC8Qp5NEbvbfEnaysFiUg2Ax4eK2dffO+9rmYeR3A@mail.gmail.com><4FEB1E01.70809@colbyconsulting.com><E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C50161B1FB@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
	<4FEB55C5.9010501@colbyconsulting.com>
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Message-ID: <BF09BA416A634F198216E14E5F321193@XPS>

You need to make sure you use the correct ODBC Admin program (one in
%systemdrive%\Windows\SysWoW64 folder).  Also make it a system DSN.  See the
following MSKB article: 

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/942976

Finially, if your trying to use 32 bit Access with other Office apps and
they are 64 bit, that won't fly.  Everything has to be one or the other.

Jim.

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brad Marks
Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2012 04:06 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Windows-7 (64 Bit) ODBC Driver Issue

John,

Thanks for the help.

The new PC has Windows-7 (64 bit), but Access is 32 bit.

It sounds like the 32 Bit ODBC Driver should work.

When I try to set up ODBC and test the connection, the test fails.

Really puzzled.

Brad 

 

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2012 1:50 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Windows-7 (64 Bit) ODBC Driver Issue

 > Do we need a 64-bit ODBC driver because we have Windows-7 (64 bit),
even though we are running 
Access 2010 (32-bit).

No, 64 bit drivers don't work with Office x32.

It sounds like maybe the Access installed on that system is X64 and you
are trying to use an X32 driver.


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it


On 6/27/2012 2:19 PM, Brad Marks wrote:
> All,
>
> We have an Access 2010 (32 bit) application that uses ODBC to access
> data in a Firebird database.
>
> This is currently working nicely on a number of PCs that are running
> Windows XP or Windows-7 32 bit.
>
> Today, a new computer arrived which has Windows-7 64 bit.
> The Firebird Database ODBC Driver that we have been using is 32 bit.
We
> cannot get it to work.
>
> I am confused.
>
> Do we need a 64-bit ODBC driver because we have Windows-7 (64 bit),
even
> though we are running Access 2010 (32-bit).
>
> Will a 64-bit ODBC driver work with Access 2010 (32 bit)?
>
> Thanks for your help,
>
> Brad
>


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From jackandpat.d at gmail.com  Wed Jun 27 19:58:23 2012
From: jackandpat.d at gmail.com (jack drawbridge)
Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2012 20:58:23 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Exchange Rate - Currency Converter thingy
In-Reply-To: <sfeb31ce.021@cactus.dk>
References: <sfeb31ce.021@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <CAKvidAvzP32FFYtXr1ajQy_QRUogGr5=rXpaRS708aHOTYy=yQ@mail.gmail.com>

Darren,

I have created some vba code to get exchange rates from the European
Central Bank.
I have spent a couple of hours trying to learn enough xmlhttp and
DomDocument to simplify coding.
Here is latest effort which you could adapt to your needs I'm sure.

Jack

'---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
' Procedure : LeeExchangeRate
' Author    : Jack
' Date      : 27-06-2012
' Purpose   : To get the daily exchange rates from the European Central Bank
'  at  http://www.ecb.int/stats/eurofxref/eurofxref-daily.xml
' These currency/rate pairs show the value of 1 euro in this related
currency on this date
'
' From a learning view, this is sending an XMLHTTP request and getting a
Response and
' using the DOMDocument amd related objects to extract the required data
' from the xml response. This approach seems cleaner and more consistent
than using
' vba functions to search and parse strings within the response.
'---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
' Last Modified:
'
' Inputs: N/A
' Dependency:
' **********This requires a reference to Microsoft XML, v6.0 **************
'--------------------------------------------------------------------------
'
Sub LeeExchangeRate()
   Dim Resp As New DOMDocument
   Dim Req As New XMLHTTP
   Dim objNodeList As IXMLDOMNodeList
   Dim objNode As IXMLDOMNode
   Dim objAttribute As IXMLDOMAttribute
   Dim mCurrency As String
   Dim mRate As String
   Dim x As Integer
   On Error GoTo LeeExchangeRate_Error

   Req.Open "GET", "http://www.ecb.int/stats/eurofxref/eurofxref-daily.xml",
False
   Req.send
   Resp.loadXML Req.responseText

  ' uncomment the next line to see the response
  ' Debug.Print "XML Response is " & vbCrLf & "~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~" & vbCrLf
& Req.responseText
   x = Resp.getElementsByTagName("Cube").Length
   Debug.Print "The number of <Cube nodes is   " & x

   '
   '  Get all Cube nodes.
   '

   Set objNodeList = Resp.getElementsByTagName("Cube")

   '
   '  For each cube node if it has attributes currency and rate then
display the values.
   ' One Cube row has no attributes and one has only a time attribute.
   '

   For Each objNode In objNodeList
       If (objNode.Attributes.Length > 0) Then
       ' Get the "time" attribute for the date to which these exchange
rates apply
           Set objAttribute = objNode.Attributes.getNamedItem("time")
           If (Not objAttribute Is Nothing) Then
               Debug.Print "Exchange Rates from European Central Bank   as
at  " & objAttribute.text & vbCrLf _
               & vbCrLf & "**Read these as 1 euro = **" & vbCrLf
           End If
        ' Get the "currency" attribute
           Set objAttribute = objNode.Attributes.getNamedItem("currency")
           If (Not objAttribute Is Nothing) Then
               mCurrency = objAttribute.text
           End If
        ' Get the associated "rate" attribute
           Set objAttribute = objNode.Attributes.getNamedItem("rate")
           If (Not objAttribute Is Nothing) Then
               mRate = objAttribute.text
           End If
        'Put the data in my variables for display
           If mCurrency > " " And mRate > " " Then
           Debug.Print mCurrency & "  " & mRate
           End If
       End If
   Next objNode

   On Error GoTo 0
   Exit Sub

LeeExchangeRate_Error:

    MsgBox "Error " & Err.number & " (" & Err.Description & ") in procedure
LeeExchangeRate of Module xmlhttp_etc"

End Sub

On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 10:15 AM, Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:

> Hi Jack
>
> No, ecb.int is indeed the official site of the European Central Bank.
> Lots of info can be pulled here as well. Notice for example the excellent
> graph here for the USD exchange rate:
>
>
> http://www.ecb.int/stats/exchange/eurofxref/html/eurofxref-graph-usd.en.html
>
> and the little link mid-right: -> XML (SDMX-ML) data file
> for the selection of data you have done with the slider controls.
>
> The site I referred to below is one of many of the European Union which
> offer lots of statistical material.
> It has just been decided that a goal (over some time) is to make all
> public data of the EU accessible for everyone to encourage businesses to
> extract whatever knowledge there may be hidden in this huge amount of data.
>
> /gustav
>
>
> >>> jackandpat.d at gmail.com 27-06-12 14:19 >>>
> Darren,
> I got the code from UtterAccess and have not done much with it. I did find
> another site
> http://www.ecb.int/stats/eurofxref/eurofxref-daily.xml (European Central
> Bank) that was referenced in some materials and provides a list of
> currencies and the latest Euro relationship. However, I think Gustav's link
> is the "official site".
>
> I am interested in learning how to get material from the website using vba.
> If anyone has
> good examples or tutorial for same or use of XMLHTTP , DOM etc with vba,
> please provide coordinates.
>
> Darren I thought you were familiar with the processes involved and just
> needed some base code to work with. Like many things, I find a few
> "procedures/routines" and save them for when I have more time(ha ha).
>
> Thanks Gustav for the site info.
> Jack
>
> On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 4:39 AM, Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:
>
> > Hi Darren et al
> >
> > Also note that the EU has this official site, InforEuro:
> >
> >
> >
> http://ec.europa.eu/budget/contracts_grants/info_contracts/inforeuro/inforeuro_en.cfm
> >
> > with monthly exchange rates from the European Central Bank all the way
> > back from 1994 to the current month between Euro and just about any
> > currency.
> >
> > Data can be viewed on-line or downloaded in XML (though named as XLS
> > files) or CSV format.
> >
> > As rates are with six significant digits, you can create a triangular
> > conversion between any two currencies with a decent precision.
> >
> > /gustav
> >
> >
> > >>> darren at activebilling.com.au 27-06-12 1:47 >>>
> > Hi Team,
> >
> > A couple of years ago I read an article that had some sample VBA code on
> > how
> > to make contact with a webservice and retrieve currency conversions.
> >
> > I wrote a nice little interface to it in Access and all was well with the
> > world.
> >
> > I have a need for this little app but can't, for the life of me, find it
> > anywhere.
> >
> > Anyone know of any code etc. that might help me re-build this thingy?
> >
> > Many thanks in advance
> >
> > Darren
>
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From dbdoug at gmail.com  Wed Jun 27 20:17:27 2012
From: dbdoug at gmail.com (Doug Steele)
Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2012 18:17:27 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Exchange Rate - Currency Converter thingy
In-Reply-To: <CAKvidAvzP32FFYtXr1ajQy_QRUogGr5=rXpaRS708aHOTYy=yQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <sfeb31ce.021@cactus.dk>
	<CAKvidAvzP32FFYtXr1ajQy_QRUogGr5=rXpaRS708aHOTYy=yQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAFa8Nkjmwbu9V9VQvp5_LyrwSOS0Nrpr00823+0zanvXnzFkrQ@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks, Jack!

I never would have thought of trying this from Access.

Doug

From darren at activebilling.com.au  Wed Jun 27 22:28:15 2012
From: darren at activebilling.com.au (Darren)
Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2012 13:28:15 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Exchange Rate - Currency Converter thingy
In-Reply-To: <CAKvidAvzP32FFYtXr1ajQy_QRUogGr5=rXpaRS708aHOTYy=yQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <sfeb31ce.021@cactus.dk>
	<CAKvidAvzP32FFYtXr1ajQy_QRUogGr5=rXpaRS708aHOTYy=yQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <001d01cd54de$1257a8a0$3706f9e0$@activebilling.com.au>

Wow - That's way cool.
Many thanks for the effort Jack, I'm humbled and grateful.
Re me adapting it for my needs - Me thinks you assume too much <grin>
Again my many thanks for all the effort you've put in. It's very slick.
I will be playing with it.
Darren

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jack drawbridge
Sent: Thursday, 28 June 2012 10:58 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Exchange Rate - Currency Converter thingy

Darren,

I have created some vba code to get exchange rates from the European Central
Bank.
I have spent a couple of hours trying to learn enough xmlhttp and
DomDocument to simplify coding.
Here is latest effort which you could adapt to your needs I'm sure.

Jack

'---------------------------------------------------------------------------
------------
' Procedure : LeeExchangeRate
' Author    : Jack
' Date      : 27-06-2012
' Purpose   : To get the daily exchange rates from the European Central Bank
'  at  http://www.ecb.int/stats/eurofxref/eurofxref-daily.xml
' These currency/rate pairs show the value of 1 euro in this related
currency on this date '
' From a learning view, this is sending an XMLHTTP request and getting a
Response and ' using the DOMDocument amd related objects to extract the
required data ' from the xml response. This approach seems cleaner and more
consistent than using ' vba functions to search and parse strings within the
response.
'---------------------------------------------------------------------------
------------
' Last Modified:
'
' Inputs: N/A
' Dependency:
' **********This requires a reference to Microsoft XML, v6.0 **************
'--------------------------------------------------------------------------
'
Sub LeeExchangeRate()
   Dim Resp As New DOMDocument
   Dim Req As New XMLHTTP
   Dim objNodeList As IXMLDOMNodeList
   Dim objNode As IXMLDOMNode
   Dim objAttribute As IXMLDOMAttribute
   Dim mCurrency As String
   Dim mRate As String
   Dim x As Integer
   On Error GoTo LeeExchangeRate_Error

   Req.Open "GET", "http://www.ecb.int/stats/eurofxref/eurofxref-daily.xml",
False
   Req.send
   Resp.loadXML Req.responseText

  ' uncomment the next line to see the response
  ' Debug.Print "XML Response is " & vbCrLf & "~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~" & vbCrLf &
Req.responseText
   x = Resp.getElementsByTagName("Cube").Length
   Debug.Print "The number of <Cube nodes is   " & x

   '
   '  Get all Cube nodes.
   '

   Set objNodeList = Resp.getElementsByTagName("Cube")

   '
   '  For each cube node if it has attributes currency and rate then display
the values.
   ' One Cube row has no attributes and one has only a time attribute.
   '

   For Each objNode In objNodeList
       If (objNode.Attributes.Length > 0) Then
       ' Get the "time" attribute for the date to which these exchange rates
apply
           Set objAttribute = objNode.Attributes.getNamedItem("time")
           If (Not objAttribute Is Nothing) Then
               Debug.Print "Exchange Rates from European Central Bank   as
at  " & objAttribute.text & vbCrLf _
               & vbCrLf & "**Read these as 1 euro = **" & vbCrLf
           End If
        ' Get the "currency" attribute
           Set objAttribute = objNode.Attributes.getNamedItem("currency")
           If (Not objAttribute Is Nothing) Then
               mCurrency = objAttribute.text
           End If
        ' Get the associated "rate" attribute
           Set objAttribute = objNode.Attributes.getNamedItem("rate")
           If (Not objAttribute Is Nothing) Then
               mRate = objAttribute.text
           End If
        'Put the data in my variables for display
           If mCurrency > " " And mRate > " " Then
           Debug.Print mCurrency & "  " & mRate
           End If
       End If
   Next objNode

   On Error GoTo 0
   Exit Sub

LeeExchangeRate_Error:

    MsgBox "Error " & Err.number & " (" & Err.Description & ") in procedure
LeeExchangeRate of Module xmlhttp_etc"

End Sub

On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 10:15 AM, Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:

> Hi Jack
>
> No, ecb.int is indeed the official site of the European Central Bank.
> Lots of info can be pulled here as well. Notice for example the 
> excellent graph here for the USD exchange rate:
>
>
> http://www.ecb.int/stats/exchange/eurofxref/html/eurofxref-graph-usd.e
> n.html
>
> and the little link mid-right: -> XML (SDMX-ML) data file for the 
> selection of data you have done with the slider controls.
>
> The site I referred to below is one of many of the European Union 
> which offer lots of statistical material.
> It has just been decided that a goal (over some time) is to make all 
> public data of the EU accessible for everyone to encourage businesses 
> to extract whatever knowledge there may be hidden in this huge amount of
data.
>
> /gustav
>
>
> >>> jackandpat.d at gmail.com 27-06-12 14:19 >>>
> Darren,
> I got the code from UtterAccess and have not done much with it. I did 
> find another site 
> http://www.ecb.int/stats/eurofxref/eurofxref-daily.xml (European 
> Central
> Bank) that was referenced in some materials and provides a list of 
> currencies and the latest Euro relationship. However, I think Gustav's 
> link is the "official site".
>
> I am interested in learning how to get material from the website using
vba.
> If anyone has
> good examples or tutorial for same or use of XMLHTTP , DOM etc with 
> vba, please provide coordinates.
>
> Darren I thought you were familiar with the processes involved and 
> just needed some base code to work with. Like many things, I find a 
> few "procedures/routines" and save them for when I have more time(ha ha).
>
> Thanks Gustav for the site info.
> Jack
>
> On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 4:39 AM, Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:
>
> > Hi Darren et al
> >
> > Also note that the EU has this official site, InforEuro:
> >
> >
> >
> http://ec.europa.eu/budget/contracts_grants/info_contracts/inforeuro/i
> nforeuro_en.cfm
> >
> > with monthly exchange rates from the European Central Bank all the 
> > way back from 1994 to the current month between Euro and just about 
> > any currency.
> >
> > Data can be viewed on-line or downloaded in XML (though named as XLS
> > files) or CSV format.
> >
> > As rates are with six significant digits, you can create a 
> > triangular conversion between any two currencies with a decent
precision.
> >
> > /gustav
> >
> >
> > >>> darren at activebilling.com.au 27-06-12 1:47 >>>
> > Hi Team,
> >
> > A couple of years ago I read an article that had some sample VBA 
> > code on how to make contact with a webservice and retrieve currency 
> > conversions.
> >
> > I wrote a nice little interface to it in Access and all was well 
> > with the world.
> >
> > I have a need for this little app but can't, for the life of me, 
> > find it anywhere.
> >
> > Anyone know of any code etc. that might help me re-build this thingy?
> >
> > Many thanks in advance
> >
> > Darren
>
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From tinanfields at torchlake.com  Thu Jun 28 07:23:22 2012
From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields)
Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2012 08:23:22 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Gotta love it
In-Reply-To: <4FEB1E01.70809@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4FEB11C9.6050509@colbyconsulting.com>
	<CAKvidAsCLTC8Qp5NEbvbfEnaysFiUg2Ax4eK2dffO+9rmYeR3A@mail.gmail.com>
	<4FEB1E01.70809@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <4FEC4CBA.9070209@torchlake.com>

John,
I did that for about half a year when I was working a full-time day job, 
five days a week, and a music gig at night, six nights a week.  I don't 
really know how I survived it at all.  But, I had kids to support and 
precious little help to do so - so, I busted my tail and just got it 
done, 'cause I needed the money!  It was probably another year before I 
stopped being pretty much always tired.  So, don't do it if you don't 
have to.  You're right, your body doesn't like this!  Be good to yourself.
Best,
T

Tina Norris Fields
tinanfields at torchlake.com
231-322-2787

On 6/27/2012 10:51 AM, jwcolby wrote:
> Unfortunately I don't get enough.  In the last week it has been 5 
> hours a night.  Last night was 4.  My body does not like this!
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
>
> Reality is what refuses to go away
> when you do not believe in it
>
>
> On 6/27/2012 10:18 AM, jack drawbridge wrote:
>> Another myth busted -- I didn't think you ever sleep.
>> Glad you're getting things working again.
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 9:59 AM, jwcolby 
>> <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>wrote:
>>
>>> I was rebuilding my sql server yesterday and I accidentally selected
>>> Standard edition instead of enterprise.  I'm using it for awhile and
>>> suddenly notice that it only displays 32 gigs of usable memory in task
>>> manager.  Computer properties displays 64 gigs.
>>>
>>> I knew that I had 64g installed so I had set SQL Server to use 64g 
>>> so it
>>> was taking everything (as it normally does).  All OS kind of stuff
>>> (browsers, explorer etc)  is painfully sloooow... as every time 
>>> anything
>>> needs memory it has to ask SQL Server to release some memory.
>>>
>>> I kept going to computer properties to see my memory.  It took 
>>> awhile to
>>> click that I had installed Standard Edition.  Of course I was doing 
>>> this on
>>> too little sleep...
>>>
>>> -- 
>>> John W. Colby
>>> Colby Consulting
>>>
>>> Reality is what refuses to go away
>>> when you do not believe in it
>>>
>>>
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>>>
>>> Website: 
>>> http://www.databaseadvisors.**com<http://www.databaseadvisors.com>
>>>
>
>



From tinanfields at torchlake.com  Thu Jun 28 07:30:35 2012
From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields)
Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2012 08:30:35 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] You Guys make Me Sick
In-Reply-To: <E626F177719B48019FA59726F3E1469A@HAL9007>
References: <AED88903598F47B688B8A9575128EE9D@TonySeptav><9C6D0C64280048F493FA0E61D1A0FA32@SusanHarkins><014001cd506f$8949cec0$9bdd6c40$@net><4FE48509.7020803@colbyconsulting.com><4FE48884.9050808@torchlake.com>
	<211404D13EA34407A85D4E85672A16E0@SusanHarkins>
	<E626F177719B48019FA59726F3E1469A@HAL9007>
Message-ID: <4FEC4E6B.50200@torchlake.com>

Well, I'd like to be a concert pianist.  Give me another twenty years of 
practicing every day and I might make it.  Imagine that!  A little old 
lady making her Carnegie Hall debut!  Hmmm - maybe not.  But, I still 
like to figure out the logic behind things and make things work, so, I'm 
not ready to give up on development.  Mostly, I love to teach, to share 
knowledge, and to watch other people have that "Aha!" moment.  Gee, 
Rocky, I'm not really sure what I want to be when I grow up.
T

Tina Norris Fields
tinanfields at torchlake.com
231-322-2787

On 6/22/2012 11:29 AM, Rocky Smolin wrote:
> We need to redefine yourselves for this stage of life.  Who wants to be a
> programmer right up to the last day?
>
> You're going to be a horticulturist and wild life specialist.   I'm going to
> be a jazz bassist.   Tina?
>
> Rocky
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
> Sent: Friday, June 22, 2012 8:26 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] You Guys make Me Sick
>
> Well, I only work two days a week now -- I can't expect to make as much as I
> use to, but the work dwindled before I decided to semi-retire. Now that
> Apple has decided to make the Internet obsolete (no clue what they're
> talking about) who knows where we'll all end up.
>
> Susan H.
>
>
>> Well, I guess that says it all - we just have to switch development tools.
>> Thanks, John, for the confirmation - 'cause right now, I'm with Mark
>> and Susan - much lower income than I was pulling in twenty years ago.
> Dang!
>> T
>>
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From tinanfields at torchlake.com  Thu Jun 28 07:38:38 2012
From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields)
Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2012 08:38:38 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] You Guys make Me Sick
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1iGH2E7xp-U5=fu_wn4DWzmyGvxmQyDYUtwREs5LrVgKw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AED88903598F47B688B8A9575128EE9D@TonySeptav>
	<9C6D0C64280048F493FA0E61D1A0FA32@SusanHarkins>
	<014001cd506f$8949cec0$9bdd6c40$@net>
	<4FE48509.7020803@colbyconsulting.com>
	<00c401cd50c7$0c4317d0$24c94770$@net>
	<CAMhYZWZryOZCDHjN+PR_1Y8=_t=pTdCfwZ8-=D4ZcAh_GLEcMg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAEPJO1iGH2E7xp-U5=fu_wn4DWzmyGvxmQyDYUtwREs5LrVgKw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4FEC504E.9040002@torchlake.com>

Arthur,
Among the many things I love about you is your decidedly philosophical 
approach to life.  Mandarin Chinese!  Wonderful!  I tinker with German, 
to add it to my English and French.  But, that is not the conceptual 
leap of going from alphabet and word sequence to the pictorial 
representation of thought that you are adventuring into.  Wow!  My hat's 
off to you, my friend.
T

Tina Norris Fields
tinanfields at torchlake.com
231-322-2787

On 6/23/2012 1:08 PM, Arthur Fuller wrote:
> I guess this entire group senses that we're at a Senior Moment. I've
> checked out several new languages to learn, and finally after much to
> forget computer languages and instead learn Mandarin.
>
> Currently, I have the basics down, including the tones, but I have a long
> way to go before I could write something in Mandarin. From the alphabetic
> perspective, learning the writing scheme is a huge leap. I read a wonderful
> book called "The Man Who Loved China", about a man called Richard Needham,
> who learned to read, speak and write Mandarin in *one* year. Subsequently
> he became the world's foremost scholar on the history of China and Chinese
> science and culture.
>
> I am in awe of his first achievement, let alone the rest. I am in Year
> Three of trying and still can barely carry a polite dinner-party
> conversation. Writing about science or history in Mandarin -- well let's
> just say I don't have that many years left.
>
> Had I embarked upon this project when 20yo, I might have obtained different
> results. At age 64. the learning is a lot slower, whether it's Mandarin or
> .NET.
>
> Given my age, I concluded that I am unlikely to be hired as a .NET or PHP
> programmer; the only deep skill I have left is SQL Server and MySQL (and of
> course Access), for which, fortunately, there remain opportunities. In SQL
> Server and MySQL, I try to stay abreast; in Access I am a version -- soon
> to be two -- behind. Staying abreast of SQL Server is itself is a huge
> project.
>
> The rest of the time I want to devote to learning Mandarin, reading The New
> York Review of Books, various novels and non-fiction books (current reads
> include "Reamde" by Neal Stephenson, "Ruby on Rails Bible", "The Hot Kid"
> by Elmore Leonard, and the second edition of "The Selfish Gene", by Richard
> Dawkins. That's the list for the next ten days; I read all of them a bit
> per day.
>
> I ought to add that I'm also trying to learn Alpha Five v11, and also
> spending some time watching its tutorial vids and trying things out.
>
> Currently I have a part-time gig done remotely, a few hours a week. It
> boosts my income modestly and I am happy to devote so relatively little to
> a project. Of course, this is a myth, since some of both my waking and
> sleeping hours (unbillable) are devoted to reconsidering problems related
> to the project. However, this is the life we have chosen. Develop or die!
> Semper fi!
>
> Arthur



From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Thu Jun 28 08:04:12 2012
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2012 09:04:12 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] You Guys make Me Sick
In-Reply-To: <4FEC504E.9040002@torchlake.com>
References: <AED88903598F47B688B8A9575128EE9D@TonySeptav>
	<9C6D0C64280048F493FA0E61D1A0FA32@SusanHarkins>
	<014001cd506f$8949cec0$9bdd6c40$@net>
	<4FE48509.7020803@colbyconsulting.com>
	<00c401cd50c7$0c4317d0$24c94770$@net>
	<CAMhYZWZryOZCDHjN+PR_1Y8=_t=pTdCfwZ8-=D4ZcAh_GLEcMg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAEPJO1iGH2E7xp-U5=fu_wn4DWzmyGvxmQyDYUtwREs5LrVgKw@mail.gmail.com>
	<4FEC504E.9040002@torchlake.com>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1gf2L4s_vv4aAf2uqhSGEmPZgzwJVjU9FoG8-36r=pzVw@mail.gmail.com>

Thank you, Tina. I am humbled by your kind words.

But while it may seem difficult to one not yet acquainted with the lingo,
significant aspects of both Mandarin and Cantonese are vastly simpler than
their English equivalents: verbs, in particular -- a verb is a constant,
"person" (I, you, she, they) doesn't matter doesn't matter, nor does tense
-- the verb remains constant and past or future are indicated with a simple
addition of one tone. So that huge part of learning the language is trivial
compared with the English equivalent -- I am/was/shall be, not to mention
such syntactically and semantically correct constructs such as "I shall
have been being dishonest" LOL.

Try to teach that to someone unacquainted with the subtleties of English,
in which language it's relatively easy to construe the largest drug-dealing
operation in history (the Opium War) as a battle over tea. Who wooda thunk
it?

A.

On Thu, Jun 28, 2012 at 8:38 AM, Tina Norris Fields <
tinanfields at torchlake.com> wrote:

> Arthur,
> Among the many things I love about you is your decidedly philosophical
> approach to life.  Mandarin Chinese!  Wonderful!  I tinker with German, to
> add it to my English and French.  But, that is not the conceptual leap of
> going from alphabet and word sequence to the pictorial representation of
> thought that you are adventuring into.  Wow!  My hat's off to you, my
> friend.
>
> T
>
>

From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Thu Jun 28 09:07:35 2012
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2012 07:07:35 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] You Guys make Me Sick
In-Reply-To: <4FEC4E6B.50200@torchlake.com>
References: <AED88903598F47B688B8A9575128EE9D@TonySeptav><9C6D0C64280048F493FA0E61D1A0FA32@SusanHarkins><014001cd506f$8949cec0$9bdd6c40$@net><4FE48509.7020803@colbyconsulting.com><4FE48884.9050808@torchlake.com><211404D13EA34407A85D4E85672A16E0@SusanHarkins><E626F177719B48019FA59726F3E1469A@HAL9007>
	<4FEC4E6B.50200@torchlake.com>
Message-ID: <2B8223C1270F4CB78BAF5A5882FD4CB1@HAL9007>

No worries.  You've got time.  :) What would you do if you didn't need the
income? 

R


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina Norris
Fields
Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2012 5:31 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] You Guys make Me Sick

Well, I'd like to be a concert pianist.  Give me another twenty years of
practicing every day and I might make it.  Imagine that!  A little old lady
making her Carnegie Hall debut!  Hmmm - maybe not.  But, I still like to
figure out the logic behind things and make things work, so, I'm not ready
to give up on development.  Mostly, I love to teach, to share knowledge, and
to watch other people have that "Aha!" moment.  Gee, Rocky, I'm not really
sure what I want to be when I grow up.
T

Tina Norris Fields
tinanfields at torchlake.com
231-322-2787

On 6/22/2012 11:29 AM, Rocky Smolin wrote:
> We need to redefine yourselves for this stage of life.  Who wants to 
> be a programmer right up to the last day?
>
> You're going to be a horticulturist and wild life specialist.   I'm going
to
> be a jazz bassist.   Tina?
>
> Rocky
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan 
> Harkins
> Sent: Friday, June 22, 2012 8:26 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] You Guys make Me Sick
>
> Well, I only work two days a week now -- I can't expect to make as 
> much as I use to, but the work dwindled before I decided to 
> semi-retire. Now that Apple has decided to make the Internet obsolete 
> (no clue what they're talking about) who knows where we'll all end up.
>
> Susan H.
>
>
>> Well, I guess that says it all - we just have to switch development
tools.
>> Thanks, John, for the confirmation - 'cause right now, I'm with Mark 
>> and Susan - much lower income than I was pulling in twenty years ago.
> Dang!
>> T
>>
> --
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> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>


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From mcp2004 at mail.ru  Thu Jun 28 09:12:08 2012
From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=)
Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2012 18:12:08 +0400
Subject: [AccessD] =?utf-8?q?Exchange_Rate_-_Currency_Converter_thingy?=
In-Reply-To: <001d01cd54de$1257a8a0$3706f9e0$@activebilling.com.au>
References: <sfeb31ce.021@cactus.dk>
	<CAKvidAvzP32FFYtXr1ajQy_QRUogGr5=rXpaRS708aHOTYy=yQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<001d01cd54de$1257a8a0$3706f9e0$@activebilling.com.au>
Message-ID: <1340892728.419201562@f242.mail.ru>

Hi Darren --

Here is yet another solution cooked here for you and All:

Public Function GetCurrencyRate( _
 ByVal currencyCode As String, _
 Optional ByVal uri = "http://www.ecb.int/stats/eurofxref/eurofxref-daily.xml") _
 As String
On Error GoTo HandleErr
Dim xdoc As DOMDocument30
 Set xdoc = New DOMDocument30
 xdoc.async = False
 xdoc.Load (uri)
 xdoc.setProperty _
 "SelectionLanguage", _
 "XPath"
 xdoc.setProperty _
 "SelectionNamespaces", _
 "xmlns:gesmes='http://www.gesmes.org/xml/2002-08-01' " + _
 "xmlns:mns='http://www.ecb.int/vocabulary/2002-08-01/eurofxref'"
Dim xPath As String
 xPath = Replace("/gesmes:Envelope/mns:Cube/mns:Cube/mns:Cube[@currency='{0}']", _
 "{0}", currencyCode)
 
Dim xNode As IXMLDOMNode
 Set xNode = xdoc.DocumentElement.SelectSingleNode(xPath)
Dim xAttr As IXMLDOMNode
 Set xAttr = xNode.Attributes.getNamedItem("rate")
 GetCurrencyRate = xAttr.nodeTypedValue
 Exit Function
HandleErr:
 GetCurrencyRate = ""
End Function
Public Sub TestMe()
'
' XML & XPath info sources
'
' http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa468547.aspx
' http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa468565
' http://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forums/en/xmlandnetfx/thread/a3d6be0c-537a-4467-994a-1e258634ad0c
' http://www.xml.com/pub/a/1999/01/namespaces.html
' http://stackoverflow.com/questions/4550212/parsing-xml-in-vba?rq=1
Dim uri As String
Dim currencyCode As String
 uri = "http://www.ecb.int/stats/eurofxref/eurofxref-daily.xml"
 currencyCode = "RUB"
 Debug.Print currencyCode + "/EUR => " + GetCurrencyRate(currencyCode)
End Sub
Thank you.

-- Shamil



Thu, 28 Jun 2012 13:28:15 +1000 ?? "Darren" <darren at activebilling.com.au>:
Wow - That's way cool.
Many thanks for the effort Jack, I'm humbled and grateful.
Re me adapting it for my needs - Me thinks you assume too much <grin>
Again my many thanks for all the effort you've put in. It's very slick.
I will be playing with it.
Darren
<<< skipped>>>


From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Thu Jun 28 09:38:47 2012
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2012 07:38:47 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] You Guys make Me Sick
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1gf2L4s_vv4aAf2uqhSGEmPZgzwJVjU9FoG8-36r=pzVw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AED88903598F47B688B8A9575128EE9D@TonySeptav><9C6D0C64280048F493FA0E61D1A0FA32@SusanHarkins><014001cd506f$8949cec0$9bdd6c40$@net><4FE48509.7020803@colbyconsulting.com><00c401cd50c7$0c4317d0$24c94770$@net><CAMhYZWZryOZCDHjN+PR_1Y8=_t=pTdCfwZ8-=D4ZcAh_GLEcMg@mail.gmail.com><CAEPJO1iGH2E7xp-U5=fu_wn4DWzmyGvxmQyDYUtwREs5LrVgKw@mail.gmail.com><4FEC504E.9040002@torchlake.com>
	<CAEPJO1gf2L4s_vv4aAf2uqhSGEmPZgzwJVjU9FoG8-36r=pzVw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4154C11BC8F44E52BFF13AA15CA9791E@HAL9007>

 
" past or future are indicated with a simple addition of one tone."  how
about in writing?  How do they do that?  Different ideograms there for
tense?

R

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2012 6:04 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] You Guys make Me Sick

Thank you, Tina. I am humbled by your kind words.

But while it may seem difficult to one not yet acquainted with the lingo,
significant aspects of both Mandarin and Cantonese are vastly simpler than
their English equivalents: verbs, in particular -- a verb is a constant,
"person" (I, you, she, they) doesn't matter doesn't matter, nor does tense
-- the verb remains constant and past or future are indicated with a simple
addition of one tone. So that huge part of learning the language is trivial
compared with the English equivalent -- I am/was/shall be, not to mention
such syntactically and semantically correct constructs such as "I shall have
been being dishonest" LOL.

Try to teach that to someone unacquainted with the subtleties of English, in
which language it's relatively easy to construe the largest drug-dealing
operation in history (the Opium War) as a battle over tea. Who wooda thunk
it?

A.

On Thu, Jun 28, 2012 at 8:38 AM, Tina Norris Fields <
tinanfields at torchlake.com> wrote:

> Arthur,
> Among the many things I love about you is your decidedly philosophical 
> approach to life.  Mandarin Chinese!  Wonderful!  I tinker with 
> German, to add it to my English and French.  But, that is not the 
> conceptual leap of going from alphabet and word sequence to the 
> pictorial representation of thought that you are adventuring into.  
> Wow!  My hat's off to you, my friend.
>
> T
>
>
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From BradM at blackforestltd.com  Thu Jun 28 13:44:34 2012
From: BradM at blackforestltd.com (Brad Marks)
Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2012 13:44:34 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Windows-7 (64 Bit) ODBC Driver Issue
References: <4FEB11C9.6050509@colbyconsulting.com><CAKvidAsCLTC8Qp5NEbvbfEnaysFiUg2Ax4eK2dffO+9rmYeR3A@mail.gmail.com><4FEB1E01.70809@colbyconsulting.com><E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C50161B1FB@blkltd.blkfst2003.local><4FEB55C5.9010501@colbyconsulting.com><E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C50161B24B@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
	<BF09BA416A634F198216E14E5F321193@XPS>
Message-ID: <E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C50161B35A@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>

John, Lawrence, Jim,

Thanks for the help with this issue. 

With your assistance, I was able to get things working last night.

I really appreciate the advice and insights.

Brad

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2012 6:12 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Windows-7 (64 Bit) ODBC Driver Issue

You need to make sure you use the correct ODBC Admin program (one in
%systemdrive%\Windows\SysWoW64 folder).  Also make it a system DSN.  See
the
following MSKB article: 

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/942976

Finially, if your trying to use 32 bit Access with other Office apps and
they are 64 bit, that won't fly.  Everything has to be one or the other.

Jim.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brad Marks
Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2012 04:06 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Windows-7 (64 Bit) ODBC Driver Issue

John,

Thanks for the help.

The new PC has Windows-7 (64 bit), but Access is 32 bit.

It sounds like the 32 Bit ODBC Driver should work.

When I try to set up ODBC and test the connection, the test fails.

Really puzzled.

Brad 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2012 1:50 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Windows-7 (64 Bit) ODBC Driver Issue

 > Do we need a 64-bit ODBC driver because we have Windows-7 (64 bit),
even though we are running 
Access 2010 (32-bit).

No, 64 bit drivers don't work with Office x32.

It sounds like maybe the Access installed on that system is X64 and you
are trying to use an X32 driver.


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it


On 6/27/2012 2:19 PM, Brad Marks wrote:
> All,
>
> We have an Access 2010 (32 bit) application that uses ODBC to access
> data in a Firebird database.
>
> This is currently working nicely on a number of PCs that are running
> Windows XP or Windows-7 32 bit.
>
> Today, a new computer arrived which has Windows-7 64 bit.
> The Firebird Database ODBC Driver that we have been using is 32 bit.
We
> cannot get it to work.
>
> I am confused.
>
> Do we need a 64-bit ODBC driver because we have Windows-7 (64 bit),
even
> though we are running Access 2010 (32-bit).
>
> Will a 64-bit ODBC driver work with Access 2010 (32 bit)?
>
> Thanks for your help,
>
> Brad
>


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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Jun 28 14:20:12 2012
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2012 15:20:12 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Windows-7 (64 Bit) ODBC Driver Issue
In-Reply-To: <E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C50161B35A@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
References: <4FEB11C9.6050509@colbyconsulting.com><CAKvidAsCLTC8Qp5NEbvbfEnaysFiUg2Ax4eK2dffO+9rmYeR3A@mail.gmail.com><4FEB1E01.70809@colbyconsulting.com><E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C50161B1FB@blkltd.blkfst2003.local><4FEB55C5.9010501@colbyconsulting.com><E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C50161B24B@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
	<BF09BA416A634F198216E14E5F321193@XPS>
	<E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C50161B35A@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
Message-ID: <4FECAE6C.3010305@colbyconsulting.com>

Care to share what it was in the end?

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it


On 6/28/2012 2:44 PM, Brad Marks wrote:
> John, Lawrence, Jim,
>
> Thanks for the help with this issue.
>
> With your assistance, I was able to get things working last night.
>
> I really appreciate the advice and insights.
>
> Brad
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
> Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2012 6:12 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Windows-7 (64 Bit) ODBC Driver Issue
>
> You need to make sure you use the correct ODBC Admin program (one in
> %systemdrive%\Windows\SysWoW64 folder).  Also make it a system DSN.  See
> the
> following MSKB article:
>
> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/942976
>
> Finially, if your trying to use 32 bit Access with other Office apps and
> they are 64 bit, that won't fly.  Everything has to be one or the other.
>
> Jim.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brad Marks
> Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2012 04:06 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Windows-7 (64 Bit) ODBC Driver Issue
>
> John,
>
> Thanks for the help.
>
> The new PC has Windows-7 (64 bit), but Access is 32 bit.
>
> It sounds like the 32 Bit ODBC Driver should work.
>
> When I try to set up ODBC and test the connection, the test fails.
>
> Really puzzled.
>
> Brad
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
> Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2012 1:50 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Windows-7 (64 Bit) ODBC Driver Issue
>
>   > Do we need a 64-bit ODBC driver because we have Windows-7 (64 bit),
> even though we are running
> Access 2010 (32-bit).
>
> No, 64 bit drivers don't work with Office x32.
>
> It sounds like maybe the Access installed on that system is X64 and you
> are trying to use an X32 driver.
>
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
>
> Reality is what refuses to go away
> when you do not believe in it
>
>
> On 6/27/2012 2:19 PM, Brad Marks wrote:
>> All,
>>
>> We have an Access 2010 (32 bit) application that uses ODBC to access
>> data in a Firebird database.
>>
>> This is currently working nicely on a number of PCs that are running
>> Windows XP or Windows-7 32 bit.
>>
>> Today, a new computer arrived which has Windows-7 64 bit.
>> The Firebird Database ODBC Driver that we have been using is 32 bit.
> We
>> cannot get it to work.
>>
>> I am confused.
>>
>> Do we need a 64-bit ODBC driver because we have Windows-7 (64 bit),
> even
>> though we are running Access 2010 (32-bit).
>>
>> Will a 64-bit ODBC driver work with Access 2010 (32 bit)?
>>
>> Thanks for your help,
>>
>> Brad
>>
>
>



From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Jun 28 14:22:45 2012
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2012 15:22:45 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] You Guys make Me Sick
In-Reply-To: <4154C11BC8F44E52BFF13AA15CA9791E@HAL9007>
References: <AED88903598F47B688B8A9575128EE9D@TonySeptav><9C6D0C64280048F493FA0E61D1A0FA32@SusanHarkins><014001cd506f$8949cec0$9bdd6c40$@net><4FE48509.7020803@colbyconsulting.com><00c401cd50c7$0c4317d0$24c94770$@net><CAMhYZWZryOZCDHjN+PR_1Y8=_t=pTdCfwZ8-=D4ZcAh_GLEcMg@mail.gmail.com><CAEPJO1iGH2E7xp-U5=fu_wn4DWzmyGvxmQyDYUtwREs5LrVgKw@mail.gmail.com><4FEC504E.9040002@torchlake.com>
	<CAEPJO1gf2L4s_vv4aAf2uqhSGEmPZgzwJVjU9FoG8-36r=pzVw@mail.gmail.com>
	<4154C11BC8F44E52BFF13AA15CA9791E@HAL9007>
Message-ID: <4FECAF05.5030006@colbyconsulting.com>

-- the verb remains constant and past or future are indicated with a simple
addition of one tone

Must be hell for the tone deaf folks out there.  One never knows whether they are coming or going 
(or going and coming... and alvays too soon...)

;)

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it


On 6/28/2012 10:38 AM, Rocky Smolin wrote:
> -- the verb remains constant and past or future are indicated with a simple
> addition of one tone



From BradM at blackforestltd.com  Thu Jun 28 14:59:57 2012
From: BradM at blackforestltd.com (Brad Marks)
Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2012 14:59:57 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Windows-7 (64 Bit) ODBC Driver Issue
References: <4FEB11C9.6050509@colbyconsulting.com><CAKvidAsCLTC8Qp5NEbvbfEnaysFiUg2Ax4eK2dffO+9rmYeR3A@mail.gmail.com><4FEB1E01.70809@colbyconsulting.com><E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C50161B1FB@blkltd.blkfst2003.local><4FEB55C5.9010501@colbyconsulting.com><E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C50161B24B@blkltd.blkfst2003.local><BF09BA416A634F198216E14E5F321193@XPS><E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C50161B35A@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
	<4FECAE6C.3010305@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C50161B398@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>

John,

Sure.

This was our first new PC with Windows-7 64 Bit.

I installed the same Firebird Database driver that is currently being
used on about 15 other PCs (all 32 bit).

When I tried to do the ODBC DSN setup (Control Panel / Admin Tools /
Data Source)
on the new PC, I could not see the Firebird driver.

With the feedback that was posted here on AccessD, I took a look at this
webpage 
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/942976


Embedded on the pages on this website, is this sentence  
 
"The 32-bit version of the Odbcad32.exe file is located in the
%systemdrive%\Windows\SysWoW64 folder."


Instead of going through the normal process to set up the ODBC DSN, I
found Odbcad32.exe in %systemdrive%\Windows\SysWoW64 folder.  I fired up
this exe and was then able to see the Firebird Driver.  The setup then
worked nicely.

I hope that this info is useful.

Brad 


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2012 2:20 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Windows-7 (64 Bit) ODBC Driver Issue

Care to share what it was in the end?

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it


On 6/28/2012 2:44 PM, Brad Marks wrote:
> John, Lawrence, Jim,
>
> Thanks for the help with this issue.
>
> With your assistance, I was able to get things working last night.
>
> I really appreciate the advice and insights.
>
> Brad
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
> Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2012 6:12 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Windows-7 (64 Bit) ODBC Driver Issue
>
> You need to make sure you use the correct ODBC Admin program (one in
> %systemdrive%\Windows\SysWoW64 folder).  Also make it a system DSN.
See
> the
> following MSKB article:
>
> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/942976
>
> Finially, if your trying to use 32 bit Access with other Office apps
and
> they are 64 bit, that won't fly.  Everything has to be one or the
other.
>
> Jim.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brad Marks
> Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2012 04:06 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Windows-7 (64 Bit) ODBC Driver Issue
>
> John,
>
> Thanks for the help.
>
> The new PC has Windows-7 (64 bit), but Access is 32 bit.
>
> It sounds like the 32 Bit ODBC Driver should work.
>
> When I try to set up ODBC and test the connection, the test fails.
>
> Really puzzled.
>
> Brad
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
> Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2012 1:50 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Windows-7 (64 Bit) ODBC Driver Issue
>
>   > Do we need a 64-bit ODBC driver because we have Windows-7 (64
bit),
> even though we are running
> Access 2010 (32-bit).
>
> No, 64 bit drivers don't work with Office x32.
>
> It sounds like maybe the Access installed on that system is X64 and
you
> are trying to use an X32 driver.
>
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
>
> Reality is what refuses to go away
> when you do not believe in it
>
>
> On 6/27/2012 2:19 PM, Brad Marks wrote:
>> All,
>>
>> We have an Access 2010 (32 bit) application that uses ODBC to access
>> data in a Firebird database.
>>
>> This is currently working nicely on a number of PCs that are running
>> Windows XP or Windows-7 32 bit.
>>
>> Today, a new computer arrived which has Windows-7 64 bit.
>> The Firebird Database ODBC Driver that we have been using is 32 bit.
> We
>> cannot get it to work.
>>
>> I am confused.
>>
>> Do we need a 64-bit ODBC driver because we have Windows-7 (64 bit),
> even
>> though we are running Access 2010 (32-bit).
>>
>> Will a 64-bit ODBC driver work with Access 2010 (32 bit)?
>>
>> Thanks for your help,
>>
>> Brad
>>
>
>


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From accessd at shaw.ca  Thu Jun 28 20:17:40 2012
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2012 18:17:40 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Raspberry PI
In-Reply-To: <BB5FA7BA-F97B-4B8F-B4B5-BA606A2DBE3B@phulse.com>
References: <CAEPJO1iLtSbe-RY+hrZdTr=+FRDRRjhpE+-f80Vfp0nc5=jBow@mail.gmail.com><44B21A90D0F14610808D447F63BA8BB1@creativesystemdesigns.com><CAEPJO1iFpBTq_pRF7Vu3Myq7jX7WMTuaONZUPtR5zzUJwHcY5w@mail.gmail.com><17781B3C51374A72B55864E9C9BEC176@creativesystemdesigns.com><6BFE9A58-E9A8-4AE8-80F5-830E4B70AB13@phulse.com><66E84EF8B7A044F992C15CA2F2A1D468@creativesystemdesigns.com><24E21CF8-C14C-4F6E-9C59-FABBC5B33F52@phulse.com><2D37FEFE7132478381A1D117ED5CFCA5@creativesystemdesigns.com><5546B40F-F912-461C-9412-F4614DC9DA95@phulse.com><575ABE5AA8A94530B68D9E82E037406D@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<BB5FA7BA-F97B-4B8F-B4B5-BA606A2DBE3B@phulse.com>
Message-ID: <C57B60A47CA54B9AA47CA3E9A3647515@creativesystemdesigns.com>

So what can you do with your new $40.00 Raspberry PI?

The link below says just about anything.

http://www.techrepublic.com/photos/anyone-for-pi-mods-and-hacks-for-the-rasp
berry-pi/6371651?tag=nl.e099

Jim


From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Jun 28 22:19:26 2012
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2012 23:19:26 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Anyone for Pi? Mods and hacks for the Raspberry Pi | 10
	of 17
Message-ID: <4FED1EBE.8020301@colbyconsulting.com>

LOL, anyone care to emulate a mainframe from 20 years ago?  On a $30 device?

I worked at a graphics company in the early to mid 80s.  They had a VAX 11-750 (IIRC) which was a 
very common "mini-computer" of the day.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VAX-11

Now a credit card sized u-P is 50 times more powerful.

I can't wait to see what we have in 40 years when I am ready to check out.  OK, I can wait.

-- 
John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

http://www.techrepublic.com/photos/anyone-for-pi-mods-and-hacks-for-the-raspberry-pi/6371651?seq=10&tag=content;siu-container#photopaging


From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Jun 28 22:34:27 2012
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2012 23:34:27 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Google Nexus 7
Message-ID: <4FED2243.1090709@colbyconsulting.com>

This could be a hit.  It is supposed to start shipping mid July.  Maybe.

http://www.techradar.com/news/mobile-computing/tablets/great-value-google-nexus-7-can-smash-open-the-tablet-market-1087252


-- 
John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it



From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Jun 28 22:48:30 2012
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2012 23:48:30 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Google Nexus 7 Review - Watch CNET's Video Review
Message-ID: <4FED258E.6020502@colbyconsulting.com>


http://reviews.cnet.com/google-nexus-7/?tag=mncol;relProduct

-- 
John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it



From hans.andersen at phulse.com  Fri Jun 29 00:26:44 2012
From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen)
Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2012 22:26:44 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Google Nexus 7 Review - Watch CNET's Video Review
In-Reply-To: <4FED258E.6020502@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4FED258E.6020502@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <4311B0A7-6386-4D05-AC01-727BEC090DED@phulse.com>


Looks pretty cool for the price its going for. I had a hard time finding an Android tablet for my father that didnt either suck or lack some specific feature, like camera, microphone or whatever, so I ended up buying him an ipad. but he loves it, so there are no regrets there (he just wanted to see if we could find something cheaper). well, now we have an alternative that is cheaper but still have the basic functionality of what makes a tablet. its not as good as an ipad, but, if its really going to sell for $200, that makes it a serious competitor that many will pick and, just like the 2 legged race between iphones and android phones, its going to suck out all the oxygen of the room and starve the other competitors, like Kindle Fire and Windows Surface (once again, DOA, sad story really).

smart move by google.

theres only one thing I don't understand about all these other ipad competitors. why don't they have a metal enclosure? they are all pretty much plastic, which means that its a lot more prone to being fatally damaged from a bad knock or someone sitting on it, etc. *crunch*


Hans



On 2012-06-28, at 8:48 PM, jwcolby wrote:

> 
> http://reviews.cnet.com/google-nexus-7/?tag=mncol;relProduct
> 
> -- 
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
> 
> Reality is what refuses to go away
> when you do not believe in it
> 
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From mcp2004 at mail.ru  Fri Jun 29 03:00:35 2012
From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=)
Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2012 12:00:35 +0400
Subject: [AccessD] =?utf-8?q?Exchange_Rate_-_Currency_Converter_thingy?=
In-Reply-To: <1340892728.419201562@f242.mail.ru>
References: <sfeb31ce.021@cactus.dk>
	<001d01cd54de$1257a8a0$3706f9e0$@activebilling.com.au>
	<1340892728.419201562@f242.mail.ru>
Message-ID: <1340956835.487177889@f217.mail.ru>

Hi All --

Here is another method for the subject task solution.
It uses XSL transformation.
Of course it's a kind of overuse of XML/XSL transformation power for this simple task but it's a generic solution for any XML/XSL transformations - just change source XML and transformation XSL...

Option Explicit
Public Sub TestMe()
'
' XML & XPath info sources
'
' http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa468547.aspx
' http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa468565
' http://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forums/en/xmlandnetfx/thread/a3d6be0c-537a-4467-994a-1e258634ad0c
' http://www.xml.com/pub/a/1999/01/namespaces.html
' http://stackoverflow.com/questions/4550212/parsing-xml-in-vba?rq=1
'
' DOMDocument.tranformNode method information
' http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/desktop/ms761399(v=vs.85).aspx
'
Dim uri As String
Dim currencyCode As String
 uri = "http://www.ecb.int/stats/eurofxref/eurofxref-daily.xml"
 currencyCode = "RUB"
 Debug.Print currencyCode + "/EUR => " + GetCurrencyRate2(currencyCode)
End Sub
Public Function GetCurrencyRate2( _
 ByVal currencyCode As String, _
 Optional ByVal uri = "http://www.ecb.int/stats/eurofxref/eurofxref-daily.xml") _
 As String
Dim xmlDoc As New MSXML2.DOMDocument30
Dim xslDoc As New MSXML2.DOMDocument30
xmlDoc.async = False
xmlDoc.Load (uri)
If (xmlDoc.parseError.ErrorCode <> 0) Then
 Err.Raise vbObjectError + 1, _
 "GetCurrencyRate2", xmlDoc.parseError.reason
Else
Dim xsl As String
 xsl = _
 "<xsl:stylesheet version='2.0' " + _
 " xmlns:xsl='http://www.w3.org/1999/XSL/Transform' " + _
 " xmlns:gesmes='http://www.gesmes.org/xml/2002-08-01' " + _
 " xmlns:ns2 ='http://www.ecb.int/vocabulary/2002-08-01/eurofxref'> " + _
 "<xsl:variable name='x1' " + _
 " select='gesmes:Envelope/ns2:Cube/ns2:Cube/ns2:Cube[@currency=""{0}""]' /> " + _
 "<xsl:template match='gesmes:Envelope'> " + _
 " [<xsl:apply-templates select='$x1' />] " + _
 "</xsl:template> " + _
 "<xsl:template match='ns2:Cube'> " + _
 " <xsl:value-of select='@rate' /> " + _
 "</xsl:template> " + _
 "</xsl:stylesheet>"
xsl = Replace(xsl, "{0}", currencyCode)
 xslDoc.async = False
 xslDoc.LoadXML (xsl)
 If (xslDoc.parseError.ErrorCode <> 0) Then
 Err.Raise vbObjectError + 1, _
 "GetCurrencyRate2", xslDoc.parseError.reason
 Else
 Dim transformedXml As String
 transformedXml = xmlDoc.transformNode(xslDoc)
 Dim pos1 As Integer
 Dim pos2 As Integer
 pos1 = InStr(transformedXml, "[")
 pos2 = InStr(transformedXml, "]")
 If (pos1 = 0 Or pos2 = 0) Then
 GetCurrencyRate2 = 0
 Else
 GetCurrencyRate2 = Mid( _
 transformedXml, pos1 + 1, pos2 - pos1 - 1)
 End If
 End If
End If
End FunctionThank you.

-- Shamil


Thu, 28 Jun 2012 18:12:08 +0400 ?? Salakhetdinov Shamil <mcp2004 at mail.ru>:
Hi Darren --

Here is yet another solution cooked here for you and All:

Public Function GetCurrencyRate( _
?ByVal currencyCode As String, _
?Optional ByVal uri = "http://www.ecb.int/stats/eurofxref/eurofxref-daily.xml") _
?As String<<< skipped >>>


From mcp2004 at mail.ru  Fri Jun 29 04:07:31 2012
From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=)
Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2012 13:07:31 +0400
Subject: [AccessD] =?utf-8?q?Exchange_Rate_-_Currency_Converter_thingy?=
In-Reply-To: <1340956835.487177889@f217.mail.ru>
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	<1340956835.487177889@f217.mail.ru>
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Hi All --

Here is my final code sample for the subject task - I'd call it "naive-hardcoder" approach:

Public Sub TestMe1()
Dim uri As String
uri = "http://www.ecb.int/stats/eurofxref/eurofxref-daily.xml"
Dim xmlDoc As New MSXML2.DOMDocument30
xmlDoc.async = False
xmlDoc.Load (uri)
Dim xml As String
xml = xmlDoc.DocumentElement.xml
Dim pos1 As Integer
Dim pos2 As Integer
Dim currencyCode As String
currencyCode = "RUB"
pos1 = InStr(xml, "currency=""" + currencyCode)
pos1 = InStr(pos1, xml, "rate=""")
pos1 = InStr(pos1 + 1, xml, """")
pos2 = InStr(pos1 + 1, xml, """")
Dim currencyRate As String
currencyRate = Mid(xml, pos1 + 1, pos2 - pos1 - 1)
Debug.Print "EUR/" + currencyCode + " => " + currencyRate
End Sub

Thank you.

-- Shamil


Fri, 29 Jun 2012 12:00:35 +0400 ?? Salakhetdinov Shamil <mcp2004 at mail.ru>:
Hi All --

Here is another method for the subject task solution.
It uses XSL transformation.
Of course it's a kind of overuse of XML/XSL transformation power for this simple task but it's a generic solution for any XML/XSL transformations - just change source XML and transformation XSL...

Option Explicit
Public Sub TestMe()
'
' XML & XPath info sources
'
' http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa468547.aspx
' http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa468565
' http://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forums/en/xmlandnetfx/thread/a3d6be0c-537a-4467-994a-1e258634ad0c
' http://www.xml.com/pub/a/1999/01/namespaces.html
' http://stackoverflow.com/questions/4550212/parsing-xml-in-vba?rq=1
'
' DOMDocument.tranformNode method information
' http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/desktop/ms761399(v=vs.85).aspx
'
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Fri Jun 29 04:42:46 2012
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2012 11:42:46 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Exchange Rate - Currency Converter thingy
Message-ID: <sfed94da.059@cactus.dk>

Hi Shamil

"naive-hardcoder" ... he he, quick and dirty, next step would be to just download the xml-string and parse it.

/gustav


>>> mcp2004 at mail.ru 29-06-12 11:07 >>>
Hi All --

Here is my final code sample for the subject task - I'd call it "naive-hardcoder" approach:

Public Sub TestMe1()
Dim uri As String
uri = "http://www.ecb.int/stats/eurofxref/eurofxref-daily.xml"
Dim xmlDoc As New MSXML2.DOMDocument30
xmlDoc.async = False
xmlDoc.Load (uri)
Dim xml As String
xml = xmlDoc.DocumentElement.xml
Dim pos1 As Integer
Dim pos2 As Integer
Dim currencyCode As String
currencyCode = "RUB"
pos1 = InStr(xml, "currency=""" + currencyCode)
pos1 = InStr(pos1, xml, "rate=""")
pos1 = InStr(pos1 + 1, xml, """")
pos2 = InStr(pos1 + 1, xml, """")
Dim currencyRate As String
currencyRate = Mid(xml, pos1 + 1, pos2 - pos1 - 1)
Debug.Print "EUR/" + currencyCode + " => " + currencyRate
End Sub

Thank you.

-- Shamil


From gustav at cactus.dk  Fri Jun 29 04:56:40 2012
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2012 11:56:40 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Exchange Rate - Currency Converter thingy
Message-ID: <sfed9808.060@cactus.dk>

Hi Jack

Nice! I've never had the need to combine Access and reading from XML but this works great. Thanks.

/gustav


>>> jackandpat.d at gmail.com 28-06-12 2:58 >>>
Darren,

I have created some vba code to get exchange rates from the European Central Bank.
I have spent a couple of hours trying to learn enough xmlhttp and DomDocument to simplify coding.
Here is latest effort which you could adapt to your needs I'm sure.

Jack


From mcp2004 at mail.ru  Fri Jun 29 04:46:07 2012
From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=)
Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2012 13:46:07 +0400
Subject: [AccessD] =?utf-8?q?Exchange_Rate_-_Currency_Converter_thingy?=
In-Reply-To: <sfed94da.059@cactus.dk>
References: <sfed94da.059@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <1340963167.513979857@f75.mail.ru>

Hi Gustav --

Do you mean downloading and parsing source XML byte by byte?
?
Thank you.

-- Shamil

Fri, 29 Jun 2012 11:42:46 +0200 ?? "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>:
 
  
  
Hi Shamil

"naive-hardcoder" ... he he, quick and dirty, next step would be to just download the xml-string and parse it.

/gustav


>>> mcp2004 at mail.ru 29-06-12 11:07 >>>
Hi All --

Here is my final code sample for the subject task - I'd call it "naive-hardcoder" approach:

Public Sub TestMe1()
Dim uri As String
uri = "http://www.ecb.int/stats/eurofxref/eurofxref-daily.xml"
Dim xmlDoc As New MSXML2.DOMDocument30
xmlDoc.async = False
xmlDoc.Load (uri)
Dim xml As String
xml = xmlDoc.DocumentElement.xml
Dim pos1 As Integer
Dim pos2 As Integer
Dim currencyCode As String
currencyCode = "RUB"
pos1 = InStr(xml, "currency=""" + currencyCode)
pos1 = InStr(pos1, xml, "rate=""")
pos1 = InStr(pos1 + 1, xml, """")
pos2 = InStr(pos1 + 1, xml, """")
Dim currencyRate As String
currencyRate = Mid(xml, pos1 + 1, pos2 - pos1 - 1)
Debug.Print "EUR/" + currencyCode + " => " + currencyRate
End Sub

Thank you.

-- Shamil

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From gustav at cactus.dk  Fri Jun 29 05:15:04 2012
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2012 12:15:04 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Exchange Rate - Currency Converter thingy
Message-ID: <sfed9c60.063@cactus.dk>

Hi Shamil

Yes:

strXML = OpenURL("http://www.ecb.int/stats/eurofxref/eurofxref-daily.xml")

using API calls:

<code>
Private Declare Sub InternetCloseHandle Lib "wininet.dll" ( _
  ByVal hInet As Long)
  
Private Declare Function InternetOpenA Lib "wininet.dll" ( _
  ByVal sAgent As String, _
  ByVal lAccessType As Long, _
  ByVal sProxyName As String, _
  ByVal sProxyBypass As String, _
  ByVal lFlags As Long) _
  As Long
  
Private Declare Function InternetOpenUrlA Lib "wininet.dll" ( _
  ByVal hOpen As Long, _
  ByVal sUrl As String, _
  ByVal sHeaders As String, _
  ByVal lLength As Long, _
  ByVal lFlags As Long, _
  ByVal lContext As Long) _
  As Long
  
Private Declare Sub InternetReadFile Lib "wininet.dll" ( _
  ByVal hFile As Long, _
  ByVal sBuffer As String, _
  ByVal lNumBytesToRead As Long, _
  ByRef lNumberOfBytesRead As Long)

Public Function OpenURL( _
  ByVal URL As String, _
  Optional ByVal OpenType As Long) _
  As String
  
  Const IOTPreconfig  As Long = 0
  Const IOTDirect     As Long = 1
  Const IOTProxy      As Long = 3

  Const INET_RELOAD = &H80000000
  
  Dim hInet As Long
  Dim hURL As Long
  Dim Buffer As String * 2048
  Dim Bytes As Long
  
  Select Case OpenType
    Case IOTPreconfig, IOTDirect, IOTProxy
      ' OK
    Case Else
      Exit Function
  End Select
  
  'Inet-Connection ?ffnen:
  hInet = InternetOpenA(vbNullString, OpenType, vbNullString, vbNullString, 0)
  hURL = InternetOpenUrlA(hInet, URL, vbNullString, 0, INET_RELOAD, 0)
  
  'Daten sammeln:
  Do
    InternetReadFile hURL, Buffer, Len(Buffer), Bytes
    If Bytes = 0 Then Exit Do
    OpenURL = OpenURL & Left$(Buffer, Bytes)
  Loop
  
  'Inet-Connection schlie?en:
  InternetCloseHandle hURL
  InternetCloseHandle hInet

End Function
</code>

I have used this to extract values from standard HTML pages, but for extensive use of xml files I would use the XML library.

/gustav


>>> mcp2004 at mail.ru 29-06-12 11:46 >>>
Hi Gustav --

Do you mean downloading and parsing source XML byte by byte?
*
Thank you.

-- Shamil

Fri, 29 Jun 2012 11:42:46 +0200 ** "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>:
 
  
  
Hi Shamil

"naive-hardcoder" ... he he, quick and dirty, next step would be to just download the xml-string and parse it.

/gustav


>>> mcp2004 at mail.ru 29-06-12 11:07 >>>
Hi All --

Here is my final code sample for the subject task - I'd call it "naive-hardcoder" approach:

Public Sub TestMe1()
Dim uri As String
uri = "http://www.ecb.int/stats/eurofxref/eurofxref-daily.xml"
Dim xmlDoc As New MSXML2.DOMDocument30
xmlDoc.async = False
xmlDoc.Load (uri)
Dim xml As String
xml = xmlDoc.DocumentElement.xml
Dim pos1 As Integer
Dim pos2 As Integer
Dim currencyCode As String
currencyCode = "RUB"
pos1 = InStr(xml, "currency=""" + currencyCode)
pos1 = InStr(pos1, xml, "rate=""")
pos1 = InStr(pos1 + 1, xml, """")
pos2 = InStr(pos1 + 1, xml, """")
Dim currencyRate As String
currencyRate = Mid(xml, pos1 + 1, pos2 - pos1 - 1)
Debug.Print "EUR/" + currencyCode + " => " + currencyRate
End Sub

Thank you.

-- Shamil


From mcp2004 at mail.ru  Fri Jun 29 05:23:12 2012
From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=)
Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2012 14:23:12 +0400
Subject: [AccessD] =?utf-8?q?Exchange_Rate_-_Currency_Converter_thingy?=
In-Reply-To: <sfed9c60.063@cactus.dk>
References: <sfed9c60.063@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <1340965392.210300011@f325.mail.ru>

Hi Gustav --

OK. But

Dim uri As String
uri = "http://www.ecb.int/stats/eurofxref/eurofxref-daily.xml"
Dim xmlDoc As New MSXML2.DOMDocument30
xmlDoc.async = False
xmlDoc.Load (uri)

does download XML file from the source URI.

You did also noted on parsing but "naive-hardcoder approach" sample does use parsing:

Dim xml As String
xml = xmlDoc.DocumentElement.xml
Dim pos1 As Integer
Dim pos2 As Integer
Dim currencyCode As String
currencyCode = "RUB"
pos1 = InStr(xml, "currency=""" + currencyCode)
pos1 = InStr(pos1, xml, "rate=""")
pos1 = InStr(pos1 + 1, xml, """")
pos2 = InStr(pos1 + 1, xml, """")
Dim currencyRate As String
currencyRate = Mid(xml, pos1 + 1, pos2 - pos1 - 1)

What other parsing technique did you mean?

I'm a kind of starting collecting different approaches/techniques to solve the same tasks as a way to investigate modern application software development ?technologies, their applicability for effective solutions of real life tasks in different contexts, their advantages and limitations, their flexibility to be adapted to ever changing requirements etc. More on that is planned here to be posted in dba-VB if free-time allows...

Thank you.

-- Shamil


Fri, 29 Jun 2012 12:15:04 +0200 ?? "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>:
 
  
  
Hi Shamil

Yes:

strXML = OpenURL("http://www.ecb.int/stats/eurofxref/eurofxref-daily.xml")

using API calls:

<code>
Private Declare Sub InternetCloseHandle Lib "wininet.dll" ( _
??ByVal hInet As Long)
??
Private Declare Function InternetOpenA Lib "wininet.dll" ( _
??ByVal sAgent As String, _
??ByVal lAccessType As Long, _
??ByVal sProxyName As String, _
??ByVal sProxyBypass As String, _
??ByVal lFlags As Long) _
??As Long
??
Private Declare Function InternetOpenUrlA Lib "wininet.dll" ( _
??ByVal hOpen As Long, _
??ByVal sUrl As String, _
??ByVal sHeaders As String, _
??ByVal lLength As Long, _
??ByVal lFlags As Long, _
??ByVal lContext As Long) _
??As Long
??
Private Declare Sub InternetReadFile Lib "wininet.dll" ( _
??ByVal hFile As Long, _
??ByVal sBuffer As String, _
??ByVal lNumBytesToRead As Long, _
??ByRef lNumberOfBytesRead As Long)

Public Function OpenURL( _
??ByVal URL As String, _
??Optional ByVal OpenType As Long) _
??As String
??
??Const IOTPreconfig As Long = 0
??Const IOTDirect As Long = 1
??Const IOTProxy As Long = 3

??Const INET_RELOAD = &H80000000
??
??Dim hInet As Long
??Dim hURL As Long
??Dim Buffer As String * 2048
??Dim Bytes As Long
??
??Select Case OpenType
????Case IOTPreconfig, IOTDirect, IOTProxy
??????' OK
????Case Else
??????Exit Function
??End Select
??
??'Inet-Connection ?ffnen:
??hInet = InternetOpenA(vbNullString, OpenType, vbNullString, vbNullString, 0)
??hURL = InternetOpenUrlA(hInet, URL, vbNullString, 0, INET_RELOAD, 0)
??
??'Daten sammeln:
??Do
????InternetReadFile hURL, Buffer, Len(Buffer), Bytes
????If Bytes = 0 Then Exit Do
????OpenURL = OpenURL & Left$(Buffer, Bytes)
??Loop
??
??'Inet-Connection schlie?en:
??InternetCloseHandle hURL
??InternetCloseHandle hInet

End Function
</code>

I have used this to extract values from standard HTML pages, but for extensive use of xml files I would use the XML library.

/gustav


>>> mcp2004 at mail.ru 29-06-12 11:46 >>>
Hi Gustav --

Do you mean downloading and parsing source XML byte by byte?
*
Thank you.

-- Shamil

Fri, 29 Jun 2012 11:42:46 +0200 ** "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>:
?
??
??
Hi Shamil

"naive-hardcoder" ... he he, quick and dirty, next step would be to just download the xml-string and parse it.

/gustav


>>> mcp2004 at mail.ru 29-06-12 11:07 >>>
Hi All --

Here is my final code sample for the subject task - I'd call it "naive-hardcoder" approach:

Public Sub TestMe1()
Dim uri As String
uri = "http://www.ecb.int/stats/eurofxref/eurofxref-daily.xml"
Dim xmlDoc As New MSXML2.DOMDocument30
xmlDoc.async = False
xmlDoc.Load (uri)
Dim xml As String
xml = xmlDoc.DocumentElement.xml
Dim pos1 As Integer
Dim pos2 As Integer
Dim currencyCode As String
currencyCode = "RUB"
pos1 = InStr(xml, "currency=""" + currencyCode)
pos1 = InStr(pos1, xml, "rate=""")
pos1 = InStr(pos1 + 1, xml, """")
pos2 = InStr(pos1 + 1, xml, """")
Dim currencyRate As String
currencyRate = Mid(xml, pos1 + 1, pos2 - pos1 - 1)
Debug.Print "EUR/" + currencyCode + " => " + currencyRate
End Sub

Thank you.

-- Shamil

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From gustav at cactus.dk  Fri Jun 29 06:27:09 2012
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2012 13:27:09 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Exchange Rate - Currency Converter thingy
Message-ID: <sfedad48.068@cactus.dk>

Hi Shamil

No no. By the phrasing:

> next step would be to just download the xml-string and parse it.

I just meant to fetch the file content without using the XML library and then parse it (the same way as you demonstrated or similar).

As to your project, I guess the API method would be marginally faster for fetching small files and few values - but very inflexible. 

/gustav


>>> mcp2004 at mail.ru 29-06-12 12:23 >>>
Hi Gustav --

OK. But

Dim uri As String
uri = "http://www.ecb.int/stats/eurofxref/eurofxref-daily.xml"
Dim xmlDoc As New MSXML2.DOMDocument30
xmlDoc.async = False
xmlDoc.Load (uri)

does download XML file from the source URI.

You did also noted on parsing but "naive-hardcoder approach" sample does use parsing:

Dim xml As String
xml = xmlDoc.DocumentElement.xml
Dim pos1 As Integer
Dim pos2 As Integer
Dim currencyCode As String
currencyCode = "RUB"
pos1 = InStr(xml, "currency=""" + currencyCode)
pos1 = InStr(pos1, xml, "rate=""")
pos1 = InStr(pos1 + 1, xml, """")
pos2 = InStr(pos1 + 1, xml, """")
Dim currencyRate As String
currencyRate = Mid(xml, pos1 + 1, pos2 - pos1 - 1)

What other parsing technique did you mean?

I'm a kind of starting collecting different approaches/techniques to solve the same tasks as a way to investigate modern application software development *technologies, their applicability for effective solutions of real life tasks in different contexts, their advantages and limitations, their flexibility to be adapted to ever changing requirements etc. More on that is planned here to be posted in dba-VB if free-time allows...

Thank you.

-- Shamil


From mcp2004 at mail.ru  Fri Jun 29 06:52:03 2012
From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=)
Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2012 15:52:03 +0400
Subject: [AccessD] =?utf-8?q?Exchange_Rate_-_Currency_Converter_thingy?=
In-Reply-To: <sfedad48.068@cactus.dk>
References: <sfedad48.068@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <1340970723.683600192@f268.mail.ru>

Hi Gustav --

> ?I guess the API method would be marginally faster for fetching small
> files and few values - but very inflexible.?
Well, 'flexibility', 'adaptability',... don't have an absolute meaning for software projects, do they?
API + parsing "naive hardcoder"'s "quick & dirty" ?solution could be considered as the most flexible in some contexts - after all it doesn't depend on XML parsers, XSL transformations etc. - it just works...

Thank you.

-- Shamil

Fri, 29 Jun 2012 13:27:09 +0200 ?? "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>:
 
  
  
Hi Shamil

No no. By the phrasing:

> next step would be to just download the xml-string and parse it.

I just meant to fetch the file content without using the XML library and then parse it (the same way as you demonstrated or similar).

As to your project, I guess the API method would be marginally faster for fetching small files and few values - but very inflexible. 

/gustav


>>> mcp2004 at mail.ru 29-06-12 12:23 >>>
Hi Gustav --

OK. But

Dim uri As String
uri = "http://www.ecb.int/stats/eurofxref/eurofxref-daily.xml"
Dim xmlDoc As New MSXML2.DOMDocument30
xmlDoc.async = False
xmlDoc.Load (uri)

does download XML file from the source URI.

You did also noted on parsing but "naive-hardcoder approach" sample does use parsing:

Dim xml As String
xml = xmlDoc.DocumentElement.xml
Dim pos1 As Integer
Dim pos2 As Integer
Dim currencyCode As String
currencyCode = "RUB"
pos1 = InStr(xml, "currency=""" + currencyCode)
pos1 = InStr(pos1, xml, "rate=""")
pos1 = InStr(pos1 + 1, xml, """")
pos2 = InStr(pos1 + 1, xml, """")
Dim currencyRate As String
currencyRate = Mid(xml, pos1 + 1, pos2 - pos1 - 1)

What other parsing technique did you mean?

I'm a kind of starting collecting different approaches/techniques to solve the same tasks as a way to investigate modern application software development *technologies, their applicability for effective solutions of real life tasks in different contexts, their advantages and limitations, their flexibility to be adapted to ever changing requirements etc. More on that is planned here to be posted in dba-VB if free-time allows...

Thank you.

-- Shamil

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From gustav at cactus.dk  Fri Jun 29 07:16:38 2012
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2012 14:16:38 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Exchange Rate - Currency Converter thingy
Message-ID: <sfedb8e7.070@cactus.dk>

Hi Shamil

No, you are right of course. "Always", "never", "best" are dangerous words. "It depends" is probably the most valid phrasing.

/gustav
 

>>> mcp2004 at mail.ru 29-06-12 13:52 >>>
Hi Gustav --

> *I guess the API method would be marginally faster for fetching small
> files and few values - but very inflexible.*
Well, 'flexibility', 'adaptability',... don't have an absolute meaning for software projects, do they?
API + parsing "naive hardcoder"'s "quick & dirty" *solution could be considered as the most flexible in some contexts - after all it doesn't depend on XML parsers, XSL transformations etc. - it just works...

Thank you.

-- Shamil

Fri, 29 Jun 2012 13:27:09 +0200 ?? "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>:
 
  
  
Hi Shamil

No no. By the phrasing:

> next step would be to just download the xml-string and parse it.

I just meant to fetch the file content without using the XML library and then parse it (the same way as you demonstrated or similar).

As to your project, I guess the API method would be marginally faster for fetching small files and few values - but very inflexible. 

/gustav


From jackandpat.d at gmail.com  Fri Jun 29 07:33:50 2012
From: jackandpat.d at gmail.com (jack drawbridge)
Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2012 08:33:50 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Exchange Rate - Currency Converter thingy
In-Reply-To: <sfedb8e7.070@cactus.dk>
References: <sfedb8e7.070@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <CAKvidAs2FVrp7k5kAYN+Jq=b+Rmhdz9KfjwAzt-gdrnGtnjMLA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi guys,

My interest in the xmlhttp and DomDocument were an attempt to use these
with vba (and answer Darren's post). I could find no vba samples
interacting with these and it seemed (perhaps I am the naive one) that it
should be available/doable. I did find some Excel vba specific examples.

Glad to see that Shamil has more free/idle time than JC to show us several
ways to get the exchange rate (parse XML).
???How do these guys have the time(stamina) to rebuild multi gig servers,
latest HW, understand the details of all these languages, respond(with
examples) to a variety of questions, and still have time to make a living,
and maintain family life???

I did see samples where people treated the xml (or html in many cases) as a
plain text string and began using InStr, Mid etc, (head-down brute force)
but did not use any constructs (xml parser,XSL,??? etc).

Happy to see alternatives.

Jack

On Fri, Jun 29, 2012 at 8:16 AM, Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:

> Hi Shamil
>
> No, you are right of course. "Always", "never", "best" are dangerous
> words. "It depends" is probably the most valid phrasing.
>
> /gustav
>
>
> >>> mcp2004 at mail.ru 29-06-12 13:52 >>>
> Hi Gustav --
>
> > *I guess the API method would be marginally faster for fetching small
> > files and few values - but very inflexible.*
> Well, 'flexibility', 'adaptability',... don't have an absolute meaning for
> software projects, do they?
> API + parsing "naive hardcoder"'s "quick & dirty" *solution could be
> considered as the most flexible in some contexts - after all it doesn't
> depend on XML parsers, XSL transformations etc. - it just works...
>
> Thank you.
>
> -- Shamil
>
> Fri, 29 Jun 2012 13:27:09 +0200 ?? "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>:
>
>
>
> Hi Shamil
>
> No no. By the phrasing:
>
> > next step would be to just download the xml-string and parse it.
>
> I just meant to fetch the file content without using the XML library and
> then parse it (the same way as you demonstrated or similar).
>
> As to your project, I guess the API method would be marginally faster for
> fetching small files and few values - but very inflexible.
>
> /gustav
>
> --
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>

From dw-murphy at cox.net  Fri Jun 29 10:36:42 2012
From: dw-murphy at cox.net (Doug Murphy)
Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2012 08:36:42 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Exchange Rate - Currency Converter thingy
In-Reply-To: <CAKvidAs2FVrp7k5kAYN+Jq=b+Rmhdz9KfjwAzt-gdrnGtnjMLA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <sfedb8e7.070@cactus.dk>
	<CAKvidAs2FVrp7k5kAYN+Jq=b+Rmhdz9KfjwAzt-gdrnGtnjMLA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <008501cd560c$fbea3940$f3beabc0$@cox.net>

I haven't really followed this but if you don't mind using web services check out http://www.webservicex.net/WS/WSDetails.aspx?CATID=2&WSID=10

Doug

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jack drawbridge
Sent: Friday, June 29, 2012 5:34 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Exchange Rate - Currency Converter thingy

Hi guys,

My interest in the xmlhttp and DomDocument were an attempt to use these with vba (and answer Darren's post). I could find no vba samples interacting with these and it seemed (perhaps I am the naive one) that it should be available/doable. I did find some Excel vba specific examples.

Glad to see that Shamil has more free/idle time than JC to show us several ways to get the exchange rate (parse XML).
???How do these guys have the time(stamina) to rebuild multi gig servers, latest HW, understand the details of all these languages, respond(with
examples) to a variety of questions, and still have time to make a living, and maintain family life???

I did see samples where people treated the xml (or html in many cases) as a plain text string and began using InStr, Mid etc, (head-down brute force) but did not use any constructs (xml parser,XSL,??? etc).

Happy to see alternatives.

Jack

On Fri, Jun 29, 2012 at 8:16 AM, Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:

> Hi Shamil
>
> No, you are right of course. "Always", "never", "best" are dangerous 
> words. "It depends" is probably the most valid phrasing.
>
> /gustav
>
>
> >>> mcp2004 at mail.ru 29-06-12 13:52 >>>
> Hi Gustav --
>
> > *I guess the API method would be marginally faster for fetching 
> > small files and few values - but very inflexible.*
> Well, 'flexibility', 'adaptability',... don't have an absolute meaning 
> for software projects, do they?
> API + parsing "naive hardcoder"'s "quick & dirty" *solution could be 
> considered as the most flexible in some contexts - after all it 
> doesn't depend on XML parsers, XSL transformations etc. - it just works...
>
> Thank you.
>
> -- Shamil
>
> Fri, 29 Jun 2012 13:27:09 +0200 ?? "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>:
>
>
>
> Hi Shamil
>
> No no. By the phrasing:
>
> > next step would be to just download the xml-string and parse it.
>
> I just meant to fetch the file content without using the XML library 
> and then parse it (the same way as you demonstrated or similar).
>
> As to your project, I guess the API method would be marginally faster 
> for fetching small files and few values - but very inflexible.
>
> /gustav
>
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
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From mcp2004 at mail.ru  Fri Jun 29 11:43:55 2012
From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=)
Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2012 20:43:55 +0400
Subject: [AccessD] =?utf-8?q?Exchange_Rate_-_Currency_Converter_thingy?=
In-Reply-To: <CAKvidAs2FVrp7k5kAYNJq=b+Rmhdz9KfjwAzt-gdrnGtnjMLA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <sfedb8e7.070@cactus.dk>
	<CAKvidAs2FVrp7k5kAYNJq=b+Rmhdz9KfjwAzt-gdrnGtnjMLA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1340988235.440629804@f47.mail.ru>

Hi Jack --

Short note: Glad you liked it, my pleasure! :)

-- Shamil

-----------------------

Longer note:

Hi Jack, Gustav and All --

> My interest in the xmlhttp and DomDocument were?
> an attempt to use these?with vba (and answer Darren's post).
Yes, that's clear.
>?Glad to see that Shamil has more free/idle time than JC
I guess I don't - but I don't need keeping tuning/rebuilding such a powerful hardware "park" as JC does - so I can spend my free/idle time on "musing on software coding techniques" :) ...?>?Happy to see alternatives.
Glad you liked them. In fact ?IMO what we're doing here in our free/idle(?) time is investing in our own and this community software development techniques knowledge accumulation or I'd call it, this knowledge accrual process, getting often a shape of conglomeration of, on first glance unrelated "knowledge bits", I'd call it even knowledge stockpiling as one never knows when that hoarded ?knowledge will pay back, but it will, I'm sure...

...and I'm planning (if free/idle time will allow) to continue such a musing in coding in dba-VB as C#/VB.NET give many more options to solve the same task "the most straightforward yet effective and flexible way", which always depends on many factors as Gustav noted - and the factor of "order of ignorance" (http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?OrdersOfIgnorance) is often the main one - and by musing in coding here I'm lowering my own order/level of ignorance trying to get at the 4th level of competence (http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?FourLevelsOfCompetence) in the software development areas, which are or could be useful in my everyday professional practice...

Stay tuned...

Thank you.

-- Shamil


Fri, 29 Jun 2012 08:33:50 -0400 ?? jack drawbridge <jackandpat.d at gmail.com>:
 
  
  
Hi guys,

My interest in the xmlhttp and DomDocument were an attempt to use these
with vba (and answer Darren's post). I could find no vba samples
interacting with these and it seemed (perhaps I am the naive one) that it
should be available/doable. I did find some Excel vba specific examples.

Glad to see that Shamil has more free/idle time than JC to show us several
ways to get the exchange rate (parse XML).
???How do these guys have the time(stamina) to rebuild multi gig servers,
latest HW, understand the details of all these languages, respond(with
examples) to a variety of questions, and still have time to make a living,
and maintain family life???

I did see samples where people treated the xml (or html in many cases) as a
plain text string and began using InStr, Mid etc, (head-down brute force)
but did not use any constructs (xml parser,XSL,??? etc).

Happy to see alternatives.

Jack

On Fri, Jun 29, 2012 at 8:16 AM, Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:

> Hi Shamil
>
> No, you are right of course. "Always", "never", "best" are dangerous
> words. "It depends" is probably the most valid phrasing.
>
> /gustav
>
>
> >>> mcp2004 at mail.ru 29-06-12 13:52 >>>
> Hi Gustav --
>
> > *I guess the API method would be marginally faster for fetching small
> > files and few values - but very inflexible.*
> Well, 'flexibility', 'adaptability',... don't have an absolute meaning for
> software projects, do they?
> API + parsing "naive hardcoder"'s "quick & dirty" *solution could be
> considered as the most flexible in some contexts - after all it doesn't
> depend on XML parsers, XSL transformations etc. - it just works...
>
> Thank you.
>
> -- Shamil
>
> Fri, 29 Jun 2012 13:27:09 +0200 ?? "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>:
>
>
>
> Hi Shamil
>
> No no. By the phrasing:
>
> > next step would be to just download the xml-string and parse it.
>
> I just meant to fetch the file content without using the XML library and
> then parse it (the same way as you demonstrated or similar).
>
> As to your project, I guess the API method would be marginally faster for
> fetching small files and few values - but very inflexible.
>
> /gustav
>
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
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From jackandpat.d at gmail.com  Fri Jun 29 15:49:42 2012
From: jackandpat.d at gmail.com (jack drawbridge)
Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2012 16:49:42 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Exchange Rate - Currency Converter thingy
In-Reply-To: <074501cd53f6$18abb9a0$4a032ce0$@activebilling.com.au>
References: <074501cd53f6$18abb9a0$4a032ce0$@activebilling.com.au>
Message-ID: <CAKvidAs6r9HVmT=vDssFEbFWWb4daJBWjYr7m78L6iu2pEuZBg@mail.gmail.com>

Darren,

Attached here is a link to a sample mdb showing a Form for Exchange Rates
along the lines you outlined in your earlier post.
Hope it's useful to you.

Let me know how you make out.

I sent this to your email earlier and it was rejected by your site.

Jack
http://www.4shared.com/office/qy66lj57/DarrenXchange.html

On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 7:47 PM, Darren <darren at activebilling.com.au> wrote:

> Hi Team,
>
> A couple of years ago I read an article that had some sample VBA code on
> how
> to make contact with a webservice and retrieve currency conversions.
>
> I wrote a nice little interface to it in Access and all was well with the
> world.
>
> I have a need for this little app but can't, for the life of me, find it
> anywhere.
>
> Anyone know of any code etc. that might help me re-build this thingy?
>
> Many thanks in advance
>
> Darren
>
>
>
> --
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> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>

From jackandpat.d at gmail.com  Fri Jun 29 15:57:30 2012
From: jackandpat.d at gmail.com (jack drawbridge)
Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2012 16:57:30 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Exchange Rate - Currency Converter thingy
In-Reply-To: <1340988235.440629804@f47.mail.ru>
References: <sfedb8e7.070@cactus.dk>
	<CAKvidAs2FVrp7k5kAYNJq=b+Rmhdz9KfjwAzt-gdrnGtnjMLA@mail.gmail.com>
	<1340988235.440629804@f47.mail.ru>
Message-ID: <CAKvidAtseCvzre0NtW-2FUbNoPZ=J7xMBWysb2bwmdO-7bC+dA@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks Shamil,

I agree with your comments re stockpiling. My stockpiling has been going on
a long time and is limited to a few tidbits and goodies gleaned from
AccessD and a few forums. I've been retired for 4 and a half years and may
just keep stockpiling and lurking - with  a response every so often.

I hadn't seen anything with vba and interacting with webpage/webservice.
I'm using 2003  on XP and haven't quite gotten to Vb.net  c#.net etc. It's
difficult to get into .Net when you're not working in the field every day.
Hard to remember from one concept to the next over a few days intermixed
with adding a porch to the cottage, electrical, plumbing, flooring and
finishing... and hopefully some fishing this year.


I enjoy the forum, even though participation is quite rare.

Jack

On Fri, Jun 29, 2012 at 12:43 PM, Salakhetdinov Shamil <mcp2004 at mail.ru>wrote:

> Hi Jack --
>
> Short note: Glad you liked it, my pleasure! :)
>
> -- Shamil
>
> -----------------------
>
> Longer note:
>
> Hi Jack, Gustav and All --
>
> > My interest in the xmlhttp and DomDocument were
> > an attempt to use these with vba (and answer Darren's post).
> Yes, that's clear.
> > Glad to see that Shamil has more free/idle time than JC
> I guess I don't - but I don't need keeping tuning/rebuilding such a
> powerful hardware "park" as JC does - so I can spend my free/idle time on
> "musing on software coding techniques" :) ... > Happy to see alternatives.
> Glad you liked them. In fact  IMO what we're doing here in our
> free/idle(?) time is investing in our own and this community software
> development techniques knowledge accumulation or I'd call it, this
> knowledge accrual process, getting often a shape of conglomeration of, on
> first glance unrelated "knowledge bits", I'd call it even knowledge
> stockpiling as one never knows when that hoarded  knowledge will pay back,
> but it will, I'm sure...
>
> ...and I'm planning (if free/idle time will allow) to continue such a
> musing in coding in dba-VB as C#/VB.NET give many more options to solve
> the same task "the most straightforward yet effective and flexible way",
> which always depends on many factors as Gustav noted - and the factor of
> "order of ignorance" (http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?OrdersOfIgnorance) is often
> the main one - and by musing in coding here I'm lowering my own order/level
> of ignorance trying to get at the 4th level of competence (
> http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?FourLevelsOfCompetence) in the software
> development areas, which are or could be useful in my everyday professional
> practice...
>
> Stay tuned...
>
> Thank you.
>
> -- Shamil
>
>
> Fri, 29 Jun 2012 08:33:50 -0400 ?? jack drawbridge <jackandpat.d at gmail.com
> >:
>
>
>
> Hi guys,
>
> My interest in the xmlhttp and DomDocument were an attempt to use these
> with vba (and answer Darren's post). I could find no vba samples
> interacting with these and it seemed (perhaps I am the naive one) that it
> should be available/doable. I did find some Excel vba specific examples.
>
> Glad to see that Shamil has more free/idle time than JC to show us several
> ways to get the exchange rate (parse XML).
> ???How do these guys have the time(stamina) to rebuild multi gig servers,
> latest HW, understand the details of all these languages, respond(with
> examples) to a variety of questions, and still have time to make a living,
> and maintain family life???
>
> I did see samples where people treated the xml (or html in many cases) as a
> plain text string and began using InStr, Mid etc, (head-down brute force)
> but did not use any constructs (xml parser,XSL,??? etc).
>
> Happy to see alternatives.
>
> Jack
>
> On Fri, Jun 29, 2012 at 8:16 AM, Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:
>
> > Hi Shamil
> >
> > No, you are right of course. "Always", "never", "best" are dangerous
> > words. "It depends" is probably the most valid phrasing.
> >
> > /gustav
> >
> >
> > >>> mcp2004 at mail.ru 29-06-12 13:52 >>>
> > Hi Gustav --
> >
> > > *I guess the API method would be marginally faster for fetching small
> > > files and few values - but very inflexible.*
> > Well, 'flexibility', 'adaptability',... don't have an absolute meaning
> for
> > software projects, do they?
> > API + parsing "naive hardcoder"'s "quick & dirty" *solution could be
> > considered as the most flexible in some contexts - after all it doesn't
> > depend on XML parsers, XSL transformations etc. - it just works...
> >
> > Thank you.
> >
> > -- Shamil
> >
> > Fri, 29 Jun 2012 13:27:09 +0200 ?? "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>:
> >
> >
> >
> > Hi Shamil
> >
> > No no. By the phrasing:
> >
> > > next step would be to just download the xml-string and parse it.
> >
> > I just meant to fetch the file content without using the XML library and
> > then parse it (the same way as you demonstrated or similar).
> >
> > As to your project, I guess the API method would be marginally faster for
> > fetching small files and few values - but very inflexible.
> >
> > /gustav
> >
> > --
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>

From mcp2004 at mail.ru  Fri Jun 29 17:08:06 2012
From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=)
Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2012 02:08:06 +0400
Subject: [AccessD] =?utf-8?q?Exchange_Rate_-_Currency_Converter_thingy?=
In-Reply-To: <CAKvidAtseCvzre0NtW-2FUbNoPZJ7xMBWysb2bwmdO-7bC+dA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1340988235.440629804@f47.mail.ru> <sfedb8e7.070@cactus.dk>
	<CAKvidAtseCvzre0NtW-2FUbNoPZJ7xMBWysb2bwmdO-7bC+dA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1341007685.464347180@f294.mail.ru>

Hi Jack --

Yes,?acquiring?and stockpiling modern application software development "knowledge bits" while musing on code snippets here...

I have already noted ( in dba-VB) that LINQPad (http://linqpad.net) ?could be used to prepare and to run C#, VB.NET, F# code snippets as well as to learn VB.NET and C# "easy way".
 LINQPad has a free as well as commercial versions.

Having got one of the VBA code snippets, which I have posted in this thread, I have put it into LINQPad, have done a few edits - and voila' - it works:

Public Sub Main()
Dim uri As String
uri = "http://www.ecb.int/stats/eurofxref/eurofxref-daily.xml"
Dim xmlDoc As Object 'New MSXML2.DOMDocument30
xmlDoc = Microsoft.VisualBasic.Interaction.CreateObject("MSXML2.DOMDocument.3.0")
xmlDoc.async = False
xmlDoc.Load (uri)
Dim xml As String
xml = xmlDoc.DocumentElement.xml
Dim pos1 As Integer
Dim pos2 As Integer
Dim currencyCode As String
currencyCode = "RUB"
pos1 = Microsoft.VisualBasic.Strings.InStr(xml, "currency=""" + currencyCode)
pos1 = Microsoft.VisualBasic.Strings.InStr(pos1, xml, "rate=""")
pos1 = Microsoft.VisualBasic.Strings.InStr(pos1 + 1, xml, """")
pos2 = Microsoft.VisualBasic.Strings.InStr(pos1 + 1, xml, """")
Dim currencyRate As String
currencyRate = Microsoft.VisualBasic.Strings.Mid(xml, pos1 + 1, pos2 - pos1 - 1)
dim output as string
output = "EUR/" + currencyCode + " => " + currencyRate
output.Dump("Test Result")
End Sub

Do you see many differences with VBA?

I then got that above VB.NET code snippet, copied it into clipboard, browsed to?http://converter.telerik.com/, pasted it there, got it "automagically" converted into C# - and here it's working in LINQPad:

public void Main()
{
 string uri = null;
 uri = "http://www.ecb.int/stats/eurofxref/eurofxref-daily.xml";
 dynamic xmlDoc = null;
 //New MSXML2.DOMDocument30
 xmlDoc = Microsoft.VisualBasic.Interaction.CreateObject("MSXML2.DOMDocument.3.0");
 xmlDoc.async = false;
 xmlDoc.Load(uri);
 string xml = null;
 xml = xmlDoc.DocumentElement.xml;
 int pos1 = 0;
 int pos2 = 0;
 string currencyCode = null;
 currencyCode = "RUB";
 pos1 = Microsoft.VisualBasic.Strings.InStr(xml, "currency=\"" + currencyCode);
 pos1 = Microsoft.VisualBasic.Strings.InStr(pos1, xml, "rate=\"");
 pos1 = Microsoft.VisualBasic.Strings.InStr(pos1 + 1, xml, "\"");
 pos2 = Microsoft.VisualBasic.Strings.InStr(pos1 + 1, xml, "\"");
 string currencyRate = null;
 currencyRate = Microsoft.VisualBasic.Strings.Mid(xml, pos1 + 1, pos2 - pos1 - 1);
string output = null;
 output = "EUR/" + currencyCode + " => " + currencyRate;
output.Dump("Test Result");
}

C# 4.0 with its new 'dynamic' data type has become the first class (MS Office) Automation code development tool - much more powerful than VBA is...?
Thank you.

-- Shamil?
Fri, 29 Jun 2012 16:57:30 -0400 ?? jack drawbridge <jackandpat.d at gmail.com>:
Thanks Shamil,

I agree with your comments re stockpiling. My stockpiling has been going on
a long time and is limited to a few tidbits and goodies gleaned from
AccessD and a few forums. I've been retired for 4 and a half years and may
just keep stockpiling and lurking - with a response every so often.

I hadn't seen anything with vba and interacting with webpage/webservice.
I'm using 2003 on XP and haven't quite gotten to Vb.net c#.net etc. It's
difficult to get into .Net when you're not working in the field every day.
Hard to remember from one concept to the next over a few days intermixed
with adding a porch to the cottage, electrical, plumbing, flooring and
finishing... and hopefully some fishing this year.


I enjoy the forum, even though participation is quite rare.

Jack
<<< skip >>>


From marksimms at verizon.net  Fri Jun 29 21:58:40 2012
From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms)
Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2012 22:58:40 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Exchange Rate - Currency Converter thingy
In-Reply-To: <1341007685.464347180@f294.mail.ru>
References: <1340988235.440629804@f47.mail.ru> <sfedb8e7.070@cactus.dk>
	<CAKvidAtseCvzre0NtW-2FUbNoPZJ7xMBWysb2bwmdO-7bC+dA@mail.gmail.com>
	<1341007685.464347180@f294.mail.ru>
Message-ID: <000001cd566c$41184a20$c348de60$@net>

> Do you see many differences with VBA?

Extreme verbosity....not elegant at all.




From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Jun 29 23:24:19 2012
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2012 00:24:19 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Can I migrate the boot disk?
Message-ID: <4FEE7F73.5060608@colbyconsulting.com>

I have a server which boots off of an old 500g disk.  I bought a pair of 500K seagate Momentus XT 
disks which I want to Raid1, make bootable, then migrate the boot disk to that new raid1 volume.  Is 
this possible at all?


-- 
John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it



From vbacreations at gmail.com  Sat Jun 30 00:19:16 2012
From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson)
Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2012 01:19:16 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Anyone for Pi? Mods and hacks for the Raspberry Pi |
 10 of 17
In-Reply-To: <4FED1EBE.8020301@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4FED1EBE.8020301@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <CAGuQ9V7sL=H6qbRs=KgXeAaiK1HD_xq4ZcBTxZOBdqtz9+0Vaw@mail.gmail.com>

:)
On Jun 28, 2012 11:22 PM, "jwcolby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:

> LOL, anyone care to emulate a mainframe from 20 years ago?  On a $30
> device?
>
> I worked at a graphics company in the early to mid 80s.  They had a VAX
> 11-750 (IIRC) which was a very common "mini-computer" of the day.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/**VAX-11<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VAX-11>
>
> Now a credit card sized u-P is 50 times more powerful.
>
> I can't wait to see what we have in 40 years when I am ready to check out.
>  OK, I can wait.
>
> --
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
>
> Reality is what refuses to go away
> when you do not believe in it
>
> http://www.techrepublic.com/**photos/anyone-for-pi-mods-and-**
> hacks-for-the-raspberry-pi/**6371651?seq=10&tag=content;**
> siu-container#photopaging<http://www.techrepublic.com/photos/anyone-for-pi-mods-and-hacks-for-the-raspberry-pi/6371651?seq=10&tag=content;siu-container#photopaging>
>
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/accessd<http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd>
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.**com<http://www.databaseadvisors.com>
>

From mcp2004 at mail.ru  Sat Jun 30 03:52:08 2012
From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=)
Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2012 12:52:08 +0400
Subject: [AccessD] =?utf-8?q?Exchange_Rate_-_Currency_Converter_thingy?=
In-Reply-To: <000001cd566c$41184a20$c348de60$@net>
References: <1340988235.440629804@f47.mail.ru>
	<1341007685.464347180@f294.mail.ru>
	<000001cd566c$41184a20$c348de60$@net>
Message-ID: <1341046328.64411417@m.mail.ru>

Hi Mark,

Sun isn't shining there?

That "excessive verbosity" is LINQPad specific, it should be fixed in the new version. In Visual Studio VB.Net Imports feature helps to make coding more laconic - looking 1:1 to VBA source...

Thank you.

Shamil

-- Sent from WP7

Fri, 29 Jun 2012 22:58:40 -0400 ?? "Mark Simms" <marksimms at verizon.net>:
> > Do you see many differences with VBA?
> 
> Extreme verbosity....not elegant at all.
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com



From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Sat Jun 30 06:40:31 2012
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2012 21:40:31 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Exchange Rate - Currency Converter thingy
In-Reply-To: <000001cd566c$41184a20$c348de60$@net>
References: <1340988235.440629804@f47.mail.ru>,
	<1341007685.464347180@f294.mail.ru>,
	<000001cd566c$41184a20$c348de60$@net>
Message-ID: <4FEEE5AF.3821.3A687A21@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

I decided to play as well :-)

Function GetExchRate(strCurr As String) As String
'VBA code to retrieve exchange rate against Euro
'strCurr should be the three letter currency code
    Dim oHTTP As Object
    Dim lngresult As Long
    Dim strPage As String

    strCurr = UCase$(strCurr)

    Set oHTTP = CreateObject("Msxml2.XMLHTTP")
    lngresult = oHTTP.Open("GET", "http://www.ecb.int/stats/eurofxref/eurofxref-daily.xml")
    lngresult = oHTTP.Send("")
    strPage = oHTTP.Responsetext
    Set oHTTP = Nothing
 
   lngresult = InStr(strPage, "currency='" & strCurr & "'")
   GetExchRate = "EUR/" & strCurr & " => " & Val(Mid$(strPage, lngresult + 21))
End Function


On 29 Jun 2012 at 22:58, Mark Simms wrote:

> > Do you see many differences with VBA?
> 
> Extreme verbosity....not elegant at all.
> 
> 
> 
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sat Jun 30 11:44:16 2012
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2012 12:44:16 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT (kinda) - 2nd time in as many days.
Message-ID: <4FEF2CE0.3090002@colbyconsulting.com>

I installed the wrong version of SQL Server.  I tried to uninstall.  The uninstall told me I had to 
have DotNet 2.0 SPX.  I downloaded it.  The installer informed me that it won't install on my OS 
(Windows 2008 R2).  Hmm.... can't uninstall without it, but can't install it.

Today I was installing SPs.  I ended up trying to install IE9.  I had to jump through hoops 
eventually ending up on a "download the version for your OS".  I selected Windows 2008 R2.  It 
downloaded one with Windows 7 in the file name.  I tried to install it and... you guessed it... 
can't install on your OS version...

Does anyone actually test this stuff?

-- 
John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it



From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Sat Jun 30 12:15:17 2012
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2012 13:15:17 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT (kinda) - 2nd time in as many days.
In-Reply-To: <4FEF2CE0.3090002@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4FEF2CE0.3090002@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1g=vh2ao4p=Fr61WykrhN292QA8kxWPuxHXpY6i3=s8cQ@mail.gmail.com>

Listen baby, I got this printout from Word -- you would think that a few
testers have shaken her stirrups, so to speak. But this escaped from Word
2010.

Page footer:
Page 3 of 2.

I cannot explain this. One would assume that about 100K testers were at
work upon this product, so how did this escape them all? Perhaps it demands
that you actually print a document that comprises at least 3 pages, which I
can in the interest of trees, forgive. Pixels on the other hand are
recyclable, and hence one might read and then re-read an article, and then
click Next on the preview page, only to discover that there is no Page 3 of
2. And than what shall I tell my grandmother? It's all the fault of (enough
slagging of Bill Gates, it's Ron Allen's time! Despite his Jimi Hendrix
museum -- and I am probably the most devoted subject to the memory of Jimi.

I digress. How did "Page 3 of 2" escape the millions of beta testers of
Word? I cannot even begin to guess how this happened. Possibly they (the
beta testers) were born on another planet. That's my best guess.

A.

From marksimms at verizon.net  Sat Jun 30 12:58:51 2012
From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms)
Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2012 13:58:51 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT (kinda) - 2nd time in as many days.
In-Reply-To: <4FEF2CE0.3090002@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4FEF2CE0.3090002@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <008a01cd56ea$02589c30$0709d490$@net>

John, the problem IS and always HAS BEEN: no one with time on their hands
gets into the beta test program.
MSFT has a huge beta list of users, but few with time to provide good
feedback.
I've requested several times to get on the list for Excel and Access....and
never got an acceptance.
>
> Does anyone actually test this stuff?
>



From mcp2004 at mail.ru  Sat Jun 30 13:02:49 2012
From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=)
Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2012 22:02:49 +0400
Subject: [AccessD] =?utf-8?q?Exchange_Rate_-_Currency_Converter_thingy?=
In-Reply-To: <4FEEE5AF.3821.3A687A21@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <000001cd566c$41184a20$c348de60$@net>
	<1340988235.440629804@f47.mail.ru>,
	<4FEEE5AF.3821.3A687A21@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <1341079369.431687801@f123.mail.ru>

Thank you, Stuart,

Let's call it "XMLHTTPSample" sample.
Here is a VB.NET equivalent: I have had to pass also Async flag parameter set to False, otherwise it would try to parse response xml before actual response has arrived.

Module XMLHTTPSample
Public Function GetExchRate(strCurr As String) As String
 'VBA code to retrieve exchange rate against Euro
 'strCurr should be the three letter currency code
 Dim oHTTP As Object
 Dim lngresult As Long
 Dim strPage As String
strCurr = UCase$(strCurr)
oHTTP = CreateObject("Msxml2.XMLHTTP")
 lngresult = oHTTP.Open("GET", "http://www.ecb.int/stats/eurofxref/eurofxref-daily.xml", False)
 lngresult = oHTTP.Send("")
 strPage = oHTTP.Responsetext
 oHTTP = Nothing
lngresult = InStr(strPage, "currency='" & strCurr & "'")
 GetExchRate = "EUR/" & strCurr & " => " & Val(Mid$(strPage, lngresult + 21))
 End Function
End Module

And here is yet another VB.NET version using WebClient and RegEx (just to keep the game going :)) - tested in LINQPad - with System.Net as Additional Namespace Imports:
Dim currencyCode As String = "RUB"
' normal syntax
Dim xml As String = (New WebClient).DownloadString("http://www.ecb.int/stats/eurofxref/eurofxref-daily.xml")
Dim input As String = "currency='{0}'\srate='(?'rate'[0-9]*\.[0-9]*)'"
Dim r As Regex = New Regex(String.Format(input, currencyCode))
r.Match(xml).Groups("rate").Value.Dump
' fluent syntax
Dim rate As Decimal = _
 Decimal.Parse(( _
 New Regex("currency='{0}'\srate='(?'rate'[0-9]*\.[0-9]*)'" _
 .Replace("{0}", currencyCode)) _
 .Match(((New WebClient).DownloadString( _
 "http://www.ecb.int/stats/eurofxref/eurofxref-daily.xml"))) _
 .Groups("rate").Value.ToString))
rate.Dump

Thank you.?-- Shamil

Sat, 30 Jun 2012 21:40:31 +1000 ?? "Stuart McLachlan" <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg>:
 
  
  
I decided to play as well :-)

Function GetExchRate(strCurr As String) As String
'VBA code to retrieve exchange rate against Euro
'strCurr should be the three letter currency code
????Dim oHTTP As Object
????Dim lngresult As Long
????Dim strPage As String

????strCurr = UCase$(strCurr)

????Set oHTTP = CreateObject("Msxml2.XMLHTTP")
????lngresult = oHTTP.Open("GET", "http://www.ecb.int/stats/eurofxref/eurofxref-daily.xml")
????lngresult = oHTTP.Send("")
????strPage = oHTTP.Responsetext
????Set oHTTP = Nothing
?
???lngresult = InStr(strPage, "currency='" & strCurr & "'")
???GetExchRate = "EUR/" & strCurr & " => " & Val(Mid$(strPage, lngresult + 21))
End Function


On 29 Jun 2012 at 22:58, Mark Simms wrote:

> > Do you see many differences with VBA?
> 
> Extreme verbosity....not elegant at all.
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
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> 


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From mcp2004 at mail.ru  Sat Jun 30 13:08:28 2012
From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=)
Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2012 22:08:28 +0400
Subject: [AccessD] =?utf-8?q?Exchange_Rate_-_Currency_Converter_thingy?=
In-Reply-To: <000001cd566c$41184a20$c348de60$@net>
References: <1340988235.440629804@f47.mail.ru>
	<1341007685.464347180@f294.mail.ru>
	<000001cd566c$41184a20$c348de60$@net>
Message-ID: <1341079707.894538416@f177.mail.ru>

Hi Mark --

I have rechecked LINQPad - it has "Additional Namespace Imports" feature (F4).
Using that feature I have added two namespaces linked to the code snippet:

Microsoft.VisualBasic.Strings
Microsoft.VisualBasic.Interaction

And VB.NET code equivalent looks now exactly as ?is in VBA:
Public Sub Main()
Dim uri As String
uri = "http://www.ecb.int/stats/eurofxref/eurofxref-daily.xml"
Dim xmlDoc As Object 'New MSXML2.DOMDocument30
xmlDoc = CreateObject("MSXML2.DOMDocument.3.0")
xmlDoc.async = False
xmlDoc.Load (uri)
Dim xml As String
xml = xmlDoc.DocumentElement.xml
Dim pos1 As Integer
Dim pos2 As Integer
Dim currencyCode As String
currencyCode = "RUB"
pos1 = InStr(xml, "currency=""" + currencyCode)
pos1 = InStr(pos1, xml, "rate=""")
pos1 = InStr(pos1 + 1, xml, """")
pos2 = InStr(pos1 + 1, xml, """")
Dim currencyRate As String
currencyRate = Mid(xml, pos1 + 1, pos2 - pos1 - 1)
dim output as string
output = "EUR/" + currencyCode + " => " + currencyRate
output.Dump("Test Result")
End Sub

Sorry for any inconvenience with my first "extreme verbosity" VB.NET sample posting.

Thank you.
-- Shamil


Fri, 29 Jun 2012 22:58:40 -0400 ?? "Mark Simms" <marksimms at verizon.net>:
 
  
  
> Do you see many differences with VBA?

Extreme verbosity....not elegant at all.



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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sat Jun 30 13:08:45 2012
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2012 14:08:45 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Cheap windows
Message-ID: <4FEF40AD.6050208@colbyconsulting.com>

I need cheap copies of windows for VMs.  I found a NewEgg special Windows Home Server 2011 X64 for 
$29.99 the other day and snapped up 4 copies, not knowing whether they would even work in a VM. 
Well... it does, with caveats.

1) They force a minimum disk size of 160 gigs at install.  I don't need that much, 60 has always 
been fine for my purposes.
2) computer name "stuff" is locked down.  You can't change the workgroup through the interface, 
though apparently you can through scripting.

No idea what else I may run into before I am done, however WHS 2011 is (apparently) Windows 2008 R2 
rebadged and crippled some how.  All I need is to set up my 3rd party address validation software 
and get my C# program talking to these VMs.  $29.99 for Windows is pretty cheap.

Plus there is a ton of discussion about getting this, that and t'other working on WHS 2011.  We 
shall see.

-- 
John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it



From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sat Jun 30 13:19:11 2012
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2012 14:19:11 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Raspberry PI
In-Reply-To: <C57B60A47CA54B9AA47CA3E9A3647515@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <CAEPJO1iLtSbe-RY+hrZdTr=+FRDRRjhpE+-f80Vfp0nc5=jBow@mail.gmail.com><44B21A90D0F14610808D447F63BA8BB1@creativesystemdesigns.com><CAEPJO1iFpBTq_pRF7Vu3Myq7jX7WMTuaONZUPtR5zzUJwHcY5w@mail.gmail.com><17781B3C51374A72B55864E9C9BEC176@creativesystemdesigns.com><6BFE9A58-E9A8-4AE8-80F5-830E4B70AB13@phulse.com><66E84EF8B7A044F992C15CA2F2A1D468@creativesystemdesigns.com><24E21CF8-C14C-4F6E-9C59-FABBC5B33F52@phulse.com><2D37FEFE7132478381A1D117ED5CFCA5@creativesystemdesigns.com><5546B40F-F912-461C-9412-F4614DC9DA95@phulse.com><575ABE5AA8A94530B68D9E82E037406D@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<BB5FA7BA-F97B-4B8F-B4B5-BA606A2DBE3B@phulse.com>
	<C57B60A47CA54B9AA47CA3E9A3647515@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <4FEF431F.8090407@colbyconsulting.com>

Does anyone in the group have one yet.  Mine is supposedly shipping but I have never received 
anything like a date I will have it.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it


On 6/28/2012 9:17 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote:
> So what can you do with your new $40.00 Raspberry PI?
>
> The link below says just about anything.
>
> http://www.techrepublic.com/photos/anyone-for-pi-mods-and-hacks-for-the-rasp
> berry-pi/6371651?tag=nl.e099
>
> Jim
>



From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Sat Jun 30 13:36:25 2012
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2012 19:36:25 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] OT (kinda) - 2nd time in as many days.
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1g=vh2ao4p=Fr61WykrhN292QA8kxWPuxHXpY6i3=s8cQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <DC594B7D66044ABF8AA2D74E46039B66@MINSTER>

Actually Arthur it's a new feature called predictive page numbering. I think
you'll find that at some point you THOUGHT of typing a 3rd page, Word picked
up on this but the software has a bug that fails to detect a last minute
change of mind. It's really your own fault for being indecisive.

Andy

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: 30 June 2012 18:15
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT (kinda) - 2nd time in as many days.


Listen baby, I got this printout from Word -- you would think that a few
testers have shaken her stirrups, so to speak. But this escaped from Word
2010.

Page footer:
Page 3 of 2.

I cannot explain this. One would assume that about 100K testers were at
work upon this product, so how did this escape them all? Perhaps it demands
that you actually print a document that comprises at least 3 pages, which I
can in the interest of trees, forgive. Pixels on the other hand are
recyclable, and hence one might read and then re-read an article, and then
click Next on the preview page, only to discover that there is no Page 3 of
2. And than what shall I tell my grandmother? It's all the fault of (enough
slagging of Bill Gates, it's Ron Allen's time! Despite his Jimi Hendrix
museum -- and I am probably the most devoted subject to the memory of Jimi.

I digress. How did "Page 3 of 2" escape the millions of beta testers of
Word? I cannot even begin to guess how this happened. Possibly they (the
beta testers) were born on another planet. That's my best guess.

A.
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From hans.andersen at phulse.com  Sat Jun 30 14:59:58 2012
From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen)
Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2012 12:59:58 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Cheap windows
In-Reply-To: <4FEF40AD.6050208@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4FEF40AD.6050208@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <2841E96E-F8B3-4452-91F3-F10746A51C7D@phulse.com>

I know you have your reasons, but I still find it somewhat amusing that anyone should feel that picking up a crippled version of their operating system for $29.99 is a great deal when you can have a full, server and desktop grade operating system for completely free. There's even a variety of them to choose from. I suppose you could even migrate your application code to Mono C#, since it's just backend code. You could even code it in whatever you like (python for instance).

I know you are sticking with what you are familiar with and thats fair enough, it's just the principle of the matter that is amusing.

Best regards,
Hans-Christian Andersen


On 30 Jun 2012, at 11:08, jwcolby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:

> I need cheap copies of windows for VMs.  I found a NewEgg special Windows Home Server 2011 X64 for $29.99 the other day and snapped up 4 copies, not knowing whether they would even work in a VM. Well... it does, with caveats.
> 
> 1) They force a minimum disk size of 160 gigs at install.  I don't need that much, 60 has always been fine for my purposes.
> 2) computer name "stuff" is locked down.  You can't change the workgroup through the interface, though apparently you can through scripting.
> 
> No idea what else I may run into before I am done, however WHS 2011 is (apparently) Windows 2008 R2 rebadged and crippled some how.  All I need is to set up my 3rd party address validation software and get my C# program talking to these VMs.  $29.99 for Windows is pretty cheap.
> 
> Plus there is a ton of discussion about getting this, that and t'other working on WHS 2011.  We shall see.
> 
> -- 
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
> 
> Reality is what refuses to go away
> when you do not believe in it
> 
> 
> -- 
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com


From marksimms at verizon.net  Sat Jun 30 15:24:48 2012
From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms)
Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2012 16:24:48 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Exchange Rate - Currency Converter thingy
In-Reply-To: <1341079707.894538416@f177.mail.ru>
References: <1340988235.440629804@f47.mail.ru>
	<1341007685.464347180@f294.mail.ru>	<000001cd566c$41184a20$c348de60$@net>
	<1341079707.894538416@f177.mail.ru>
Message-ID: <009401cd56fe$65b5d630$31218290$@net>

Very slick Shamil...adding the namespace truncates the references.




From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sat Jun 30 15:26:38 2012
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2012 16:26:38 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Cheap windows
In-Reply-To: <2841E96E-F8B3-4452-91F3-F10746A51C7D@phulse.com>
References: <4FEF40AD.6050208@colbyconsulting.com>
	<2841E96E-F8B3-4452-91F3-F10746A51C7D@phulse.com>
Message-ID: <4FEF60FE.7050700@colbyconsulting.com>

 >when you can have a full, server and desktop grade operating system for completely free.

Which runs 3rd party windows apps?  I assume we are not talking Linux here?

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it


On 6/30/2012 3:59 PM, Hans-Christian Andersen wrote:
> when you can have a full, server and desktop grade operating system for completely free.



From mcp2004 at mail.ru  Sat Jun 30 15:48:58 2012
From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=)
Date: Sun, 01 Jul 2012 00:48:58 +0400
Subject: [AccessD] =?utf-8?q?Exchange_Rate_-_Currency_Converter_thingy?=
In-Reply-To: <009401cd56fe$65b5d630$31218290$@net>
References: <1340988235.440629804@f47.mail.ru>
	<1341079707.894538416@f177.mail.ru>
	<009401cd56fe$65b5d630$31218290$@net>
Message-ID: <1341089338.617851147@f254.mail.ru>

Yes, Mark --

And you can get downloaded a free version of LINQPad (http://linqpad.net) and to ?start studying VB.NET and/or C# without Visual Studio.
You'll just need .NET Framework 3.5 SP1 or 4.0 installed - for Win7 or Win8 you'll have one or them preinstalled.

Thank you.

-- Shamil


Sat, 30 Jun 2012 16:24:48 -0400 ?? "Mark Simms" <marksimms at verizon.net>:
 
  
  
Very slick Shamil...adding the namespace truncates the references.



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