From ssharkins at gmail.com  Thu Nov  1 09:26:23 2012
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2012 10:26:23 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Regarding multi-value field, from a reader
References: <5F069B6242214653A40D9DC1BA410F9D@SusanHarkins><CAH+Met80jJgP3kGuRHc1jHTeN2nc78PnS9_texbzE+iMarCJ9Q@mail.gmail.com><157E2CEB5654449C90D60A2356C04D03@SusanHarkins><CAH+Met_ZQe5R50dRuO=+q9hG4Z4qG21UZkZV482zvhAov58VfQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <EEA730D226AF4C1BBD1BC05F9DDA318A@SusanHarkins>

Well, what I don't get is this -- Access actually does all the normalization 
for these fields internally. If they can do that, why not just push it to 
the interface and do it all the way? Why hide it?

Susan H.


> Yeah, those sort of features remind me of junk food.  The worse it is for 
> you, the more folks seem to like to over indulge.  In Excel for example 
> the 'feature' of merged cells is used (and promoted) widely as being a 
> wonderful thing, but can cause you enormous grief and pain if used without 
> due care and consideration.  Of course, no one tells the users that.  They 
> just merge away like buggery.
>
> I can think of many other examples as well...  So much so that I like to 
> use the term (ab)user rather than user with referring to some of my more 
> troublesome employees of my clients.  Hehe.
>


From charlotte.foust at gmail.com  Thu Nov  1 10:53:30 2012
From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2012 08:53:30 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Regarding multi-value field, from a reader
In-Reply-To: <EEA730D226AF4C1BBD1BC05F9DDA318A@SusanHarkins>
References: <5F069B6242214653A40D9DC1BA410F9D@SusanHarkins>
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	<157E2CEB5654449C90D60A2356C04D03@SusanHarkins>
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Because it would confuse the end users.  Scary!

Charlotte

On Thu, Nov 1, 2012 at 7:26 AM, Susan Harkins <ssharkins at gmail.com> wrote:

> Well, what I don't get is this -- Access actually does all the
> normalization for these fields internally. If they can do that, why not
> just push it to the interface and do it all the way? Why hide it?
>
> Susan H.
>
>
>
>  Yeah, those sort of features remind me of junk food.  The worse it is for
>> you, the more folks seem to like to over indulge.  In Excel for example the
>> 'feature' of merged cells is used (and promoted) widely as being a
>> wonderful thing, but can cause you enormous grief and pain if used without
>> due care and consideration.  Of course, no one tells the users that.  They
>> just merge away like buggery.
>>
>> I can think of many other examples as well...  So much so that I like to
>> use the term (ab)user rather than user with referring to some of my more
>> troublesome employees of my clients.  Hehe.
>>
>>
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>

From ssharkins at gmail.com  Thu Nov  1 11:24:45 2012
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2012 12:24:45 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Regarding multi-value field, from a reader
References: <5F069B6242214653A40D9DC1BA410F9D@SusanHarkins><CAH+Met80jJgP3kGuRHc1jHTeN2nc78PnS9_texbzE+iMarCJ9Q@mail.gmail.com><157E2CEB5654449C90D60A2356C04D03@SusanHarkins><CAH+Met_ZQe5R50dRuO=+q9hG4Z4qG21UZkZV482zvhAov58VfQ@mail.gmail.com><56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B534333B79@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com><EEA730D226AF4C1BBD1BC05F9DDA318A@SusanHarkins>
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Message-ID: <DBBF9DA0222B44F9A7D186CC6C11B7E2@SusanHarkins>

<sigh>

I think you're right. :)

Susan H.


> Because it would confuse the end users.  Scary!
>
> Charlotte
>
> On Thu, Nov 1, 2012 at 7:26 AM, Susan Harkins <ssharkins at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Well, what I don't get is this -- Access actually does all the
>> normalization for these fields internally. If they can do that, why not
>> just push it to the interface and do it all the way? Why hide it?
>>
>> Susan H.


From jimdettman at verizon.net  Thu Nov  1 11:36:43 2012
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2012 12:36:43 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Regarding multi-value field, from a reader
In-Reply-To: <DBBF9DA0222B44F9A7D186CC6C11B7E2@SusanHarkins>
References: <5F069B6242214653A40D9DC1BA410F9D@SusanHarkins><CAH+Met80jJgP3kGuRHc1jHTeN2nc78PnS9_texbzE+iMarCJ9Q@mail.gmail.com><157E2CEB5654449C90D60A2356C04D03@SusanHarkins><CAH+Met_ZQe5R50dRuO=+q9hG4Z4qG21UZkZV482zvhAov58VfQ@mail.gmail.com><56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B534333B79@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com><EEA730D226AF4C1BBD1BC05F9DDA318A@SusanHarkins>
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Message-ID: <223C8446BA2549F7BA57045B62195430@XPS>


 It's the overall trend with Access (and sorry for the expression), but they
just keep dumbing it down for the end user.

 The problem with that is their going to loose all the real developers that
work with it and it won't be half as useful as it once was.

Jim.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2012 12:25 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Regarding multi-value field, from a reader

<sigh>

I think you're right. :)

Susan H.


> Because it would confuse the end users.  Scary!
>
> Charlotte
>
> On Thu, Nov 1, 2012 at 7:26 AM, Susan Harkins <ssharkins at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Well, what I don't get is this -- Access actually does all the
>> normalization for these fields internally. If they can do that, why not
>> just push it to the interface and do it all the way? Why hide it?
>>
>> Susan H.

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From davidmcafee at gmail.com  Thu Nov  1 12:06:36 2012
From: davidmcafee at gmail.com (David McAfee)
Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2012 10:06:36 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Regarding multi-value field, from a reader
In-Reply-To: <E05601E3B6DC4AAEA32C11F15C6CD56F@stevelaptop>
References: <5F069B6242214653A40D9DC1BA410F9D@SusanHarkins>
	<CAH+Met80jJgP3kGuRHc1jHTeN2nc78PnS9_texbzE+iMarCJ9Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<E05601E3B6DC4AAEA32C11F15C6CD56F@stevelaptop>
Message-ID: <CAMhYZWZ23NrjwZf2KA5t0UKhxVODJqDV8e63Wi=N66YEpcMU-w@mail.gmail.com>

Well, the correct answer is not to use MVFs, and to practice proper
normalization techniques.

That being said, I'd actually store an integer value (see my SumDays()
function below) rather than the text value.

Regardless, if he stores the text as he is doing, or he chooses to save the
integer value,  the following should work in forms and queries:

me.txtOriginal = "WFTM"
? SortDays(SumDays(Me.txtOriginal))
MTWF


Public Function GetDayVal(strC As String) As Integer
Dim ReturnVal As Integer
Select Case strC
    'Case "S" 'Sunday
    '    ReturnVal = 1
    Case "M"
        ReturnVal = 2
    Case "T"
        ReturnVal = 4
    Case "W"
        ReturnVal = 8
    Case "R"
        ReturnVal = 16
    Case "F"
        ReturnVal = 32
    'Case "A" 'Saturday
    '    ReturnVal = 64
    Case Else
        ReturnVal = 0
End Select
GetDayVal = ReturnVal
End Function


Public Function SumDays(strInput) As Integer
    Dim i As Integer, intOutput As Integer
    For i = 1 To Len(Trim(strInput))
        intOutput = intOutput + GetDayVal(Mid(strInput, i, 1))
    Next i
    SumDays = intOutput
End Function


Public Function SortDays(intVal) As String
    Dim strOut As String
    'If intVal And 1 = 1 Then strOut = "S" 'Sunday Character?
    If (intVal And 2) = 2 Then strOut = strOut + "M"
    If (intVal And 4) = 4 Then strOut = strOut + "T"
    If (intVal And 8) = 8 Then strOut = strOut + "W"
    If (intVal And 16) = 16 Then strOut = strOut + "R"
    If (intVal And 32) = 32 Then strOut = strOut + "F"
    'If intVal And 64 = 64 Then strOut = "S" 'Saturday character?
    SortDays = strOut
End Function


Hope this helps,
David McAfee


On Wed, Oct 31, 2012 at 4:08 PM, Susan Harkins <ssharkins at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>  Received the following from a reader:
>>
>> "I set up a multivalued field in Access 2010 using a List Box and
>> providing a Value List with values M,T,W,R,F. Everything works fine but
>> for
>> one problem. When I chose M, W, F from my list, the multivalued filed
>> reads
>> F, M, W ... i.e., the entries are sorted left to right whereas I want them
>> to show up as M, W, F. Is there a way to do this?"
>>
>> =====Other than learning the basics so I could write about them, I don't
>> use them and have almost no experience. Anyone have a quick and easy
>> answer? I'm going to do a little research, but if anybody knows, please
>> share!
>>
>> Thanks!
>> Susan H.
>>
>

From ssharkins at gmail.com  Thu Nov  1 12:18:53 2012
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2012 13:18:53 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Regarding multi-value field, from a reader
References: <5F069B6242214653A40D9DC1BA410F9D@SusanHarkins><CAH+Met80jJgP3kGuRHc1jHTeN2nc78PnS9_texbzE+iMarCJ9Q@mail.gmail.com><E05601E3B6DC4AAEA32C11F15C6CD56F@stevelaptop>
	<CAMhYZWZ23NrjwZf2KA5t0UKhxVODJqDV8e63Wi=N66YEpcMU-w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <60501279D8A54BA6BBBA9C63B1E0C790@SusanHarkins>

A user who can't normalize data can't (usually) implement a VBA procedure. 
If I send this to him, it's just going to create more work for me! ;)

Susan H.


> Well, the correct answer is not to use MVFs, and to practice proper
> normalization techniques.
>
> That being said, I'd actually store an integer value (see my SumDays()
> function below) rather than the text value.
>
> Regardless, if he stores the text as he is doing, or he chooses to save 
> the
> integer value,  the following should work in forms and queries:
>
> me.txtOriginal = "WFTM"
> ? SortDays(SumDays(Me.txtOriginal))
> MTWF
>
>
> Public Function GetDayVal(strC As String) As Integer
> Dim ReturnVal As Integer
> Select Case strC
>    'Case "S" 'Sunday
>    '    ReturnVal = 1
>    Case "M"
>        ReturnVal = 2
>    Case "T"
>        ReturnVal = 4
>    Case "W"
>        ReturnVal = 8
>    Case "R"
>        ReturnVal = 16
>    Case "F"
>        ReturnVal = 32
>    'Case "A" 'Saturday
>    '    ReturnVal = 64
>    Case Else
>        ReturnVal = 0
> End Select
> GetDayVal = ReturnVal
> End Function
>
>
> Public Function SumDays(strInput) As Integer
>    Dim i As Integer, intOutput As Integer
>    For i = 1 To Len(Trim(strInput))
>        intOutput = intOutput + GetDayVal(Mid(strInput, i, 1))
>    Next i
>    SumDays = intOutput
> End Function
>
>
> Public Function SortDays(intVal) As String
>    Dim strOut As String
>    'If intVal And 1 = 1 Then strOut = "S" 'Sunday Character?
>    If (intVal And 2) = 2 Then strOut = strOut + "M"
>    If (intVal And 4) = 4 Then strOut = strOut + "T"
>    If (intVal And 8) = 8 Then strOut = strOut + "W"
>    If (intVal And 16) = 16 Then strOut = strOut + "R"
>    If (intVal And 32) = 32 Then strOut = strOut + "F"
>    'If intVal And 64 = 64 Then strOut = "S" 'Saturday character?
>    SortDays = strOut
> End Function
>
>
> Hope this helps,
> David McAfee
>
>
> On Wed, Oct 31, 2012 at 4:08 PM, Susan Harkins <ssharkins at gmail.com> 
> wrote:
>>
>>  Received the following from a reader:
>>>
>>> "I set up a multivalued field in Access 2010 using a List Box and
>>> providing a Value List with values M,T,W,R,F. Everything works fine but
>>> for
>>> one problem. When I chose M, W, F from my list, the multivalued filed
>>> reads
>>> F, M, W ... i.e., the entries are sorted left to right whereas I want 
>>> them
>>> to show up as M, W, F. Is there a way to do this?"
>>>
>>> =====Other than learning the basics so I could write about them, I don't
>>> use them and have almost no experience. Anyone have a quick and easy
>>> answer? I'm going to do a little research, but if anybody knows, please
>>> share!
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>> Susan H.
>>>
>>
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From vbacreations at gmail.com  Thu Nov  1 12:49:21 2012
From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson)
Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2012 13:49:21 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Regarding multi-value field, from a reader
In-Reply-To: <003901cdb7ea$cce36fa0$66aa4ee0$@gmail.com>
References: <5F069B6242214653A40D9DC1BA410F9D@SusanHarkins>
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	<157E2CEB5654449C90D60A2356C04D03@SusanHarkins>
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Cant the values change to something Access sorts natively? Or did I miss
the essence of the problem
On Nov 1, 2012 12:38 AM, "William Benson (VBACreations.Com)" <
vbacreations at gmail.com> wrote:

> Why not change the values?
>
> 1 (Mo),2 (Tu),3 (Wd),4 (Th),5 (Fr)
>
> I mean, is something limiting them to a single character?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darryl Collins
> Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2012 12:05 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Regarding multi-value field, from a reader
>
> Yeah, those sort of features remind me of junk food.  The worse it is for
> you, the more folks seem to like to over indulge.  In Excel for example the
> 'feature' of merged cells is used (and promoted) widely as being a
> wonderful
> thing, but can cause you enormous grief and pain if used without due care
> and consideration.  Of course, no one tells the users that.  They just
> merge
> away like buggery.
>
> I can think of many other examples as well...  So much so that I like to
> use
> the term (ab)user rather than user with referring to some of my more
> troublesome employees of my clients.  Hehe.
>
> Cheers
> Darryl
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
> Sent: Thursday, 1 November 2012 2:58 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Regarding multi-value field, from a reader
>
> Trouble is, the users get into trouble with all those little bits that
> added
> just for them!
>
> Charlotte
>
> On Wed, Oct 31, 2012 at 8:52 PM, Susan Harkins <ssharkins at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Charlotte, that's a fantastic idea! I don't use them either, but
> > they're there for the users.
> >
> > Susan H.
> >
> >
> >
> >  Maybe a little remedial instruction on normalization for the reader?
> > I've
> >> always avoided multi-valued fields like plague, but I wonder if you
> >> could fake it by using a hidden column 0 in the listbox with a
> >> numeric sort order and a visible column with the desired values?
> >>
> >>
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Nov  1 13:22:24 2012
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2012 14:22:24 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] SQL Log file usage
Message-ID: <5092BDE0.90002@colbyconsulting.com>

I attempted to insert 150 million records into a table, from one database to another.  The 
destination table was empty but had a bunch of indexes on it.  I ran out of room on the log file 
disk and the process hung.

I ended up stripping off all of the indexes except the PK clustered index and the insert used less 
than 1/2 of the previous log file size for the insert.  Furthermore the build of the indexes as a 
second step is essentially not using the log file at all.

So the whole argument about "which is faster" also needs to include a component about log file 
usage.  I have no idea which would have been faster - with or without the indexes already in place - 
but in this case at least stripping off the indexes and building them after the fact seems to make 
the whole process work without a (log file size) hitch.

-- 
John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it


From ssharkins at gmail.com  Thu Nov  1 13:27:33 2012
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2012 14:27:33 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Regarding multi-value field, from a reader
References: <5F069B6242214653A40D9DC1BA410F9D@SusanHarkins><CAH+Met80jJgP3kGuRHc1jHTeN2nc78PnS9_texbzE+iMarCJ9Q@mail.gmail.com><157E2CEB5654449C90D60A2356C04D03@SusanHarkins><CAH+Met_ZQe5R50dRuO=+q9hG4Z4qG21UZkZV482zvhAov58VfQ@mail.gmail.com><56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B534333B79@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com><003901cdb7ea$cce36fa0$66aa4ee0$@gmail.com>
	<CAGuQ9V58x1Qzf4dX2hw98zfe2yYn-RQXjer7ryNi7dm8J7mJLw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C9DF43051FA44A3998DB227C10439DFC@SusanHarkins>

I sent this solution on to the reader -- if he can live with the visible 
numbers, it'll probably work for him.

Thanks!
Susan H.


> Cant the values change to something Access sorts natively? Or did I miss
> the essence of the problem
> On Nov 1, 2012 12:38 AM, "William Benson (VBACreations.Com)" <
> vbacreations at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Why not change the values?
>>
>> 1 (Mo),2 (Tu),3 (Wd),4 (Th),5 (Fr)
>>
>> I mean, is something limiting them to a single character?
>>


From tinanfields at torchlake.com  Thu Nov  1 13:51:35 2012
From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields)
Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2012 14:51:35 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Regarding multi-value field, from a reader
In-Reply-To: <5F069B6242214653A40D9DC1BA410F9D@SusanHarkins>
References: <5F069B6242214653A40D9DC1BA410F9D@SusanHarkins>
Message-ID: <5092C4B7.1050404@torchlake.com>

Well, for what it's worth, I agree with everybody who said don't use 
multi-value fields!  Geez, we go to lots of trouble to normalize our 
data and then Access arrives with new specialties that at least look 
like the destruction of normalization!  Dang!
T

Tina Norris Fields
tinanfields at torchlake.com
231-322-2787

On 10/31/2012 7:08 PM, Susan Harkins wrote:
> Received the following from a reader:
>
> "I set up a multivalued field in Access 2010 using a List Box and 
> providing a Value List with values M,T,W,R,F. Everything works fine 
> but for one problem. When I chose M, W, F from my list, th 
> emultivalued filed reads F, M, W ... i.e., the entries are sorted left 
> to right whereas I want them to show up as M, W, F. Is there a way to 
> do this?"
>
> =====Other than learning the basics so I could write about them, I 
> don't use them and have almost no experience. Anyone have a quick and 
> easy answer? I'm going to do a little research, but if anybody knows, 
> please share!
>
> Thanks!
> Susan H.


From tinanfields at torchlake.com  Thu Nov  1 13:53:14 2012
From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields)
Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2012 14:53:14 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] The iPad is soooo cool (uhhh ok.)
In-Reply-To: <508FCBE1.8010501@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <508FCBE1.8010501@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <5092C51A.50609@torchlake.com>

ROTFLMAO!!!!!!
T

Tina Norris Fields
tinanfields at torchlake.com
231-322-2787

On 10/30/2012 8:45 AM, jwcolby wrote:
> From:
>
> http://www.techradar.com/us/news/phone-and-communications/mobile-phones/apple-samsung-smartphone-profits-add-up-to-106-percent-1108455 
>
>
> >Apple's sales may only be hampered by the fact that its 7.9-inch iPad 
> mini could be in short supply, as it has already sold out of its 
> initial launch stock.  Customers who pre-order the WiFi model of an 
> iPad mini online Monday face a two-week shipping wait time.
>
> Uhhh yep, they are soooo cool that Apple can't build enough for all 
> the iFolks standing in those long iLines.
>
> My biggest concern is all of the poor iFolks standing in iLines in the 
> northeast as the hurricane sweeps overhead.  You know they won't 
> evacuate and lose their iPlace in iLine.  There are already reports of 
> entire iLines of iDiots being washed out to sea.
>
> The upside is that the US average IQ is inching upwards.
>
> ;)
>
> BTW, before I even pressed send I was served with an iCease and 
> iDesist for using the iCopyrighted phrase iFolks, iPlace and iLine.  
> For some reason iDiot wasn't included in the iCease and iDesist. 
> iStrange!
>
> ;)
>
> OK, iBack to iWork.
>


From jimdettman at verizon.net  Thu Nov  1 14:06:04 2012
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2012 15:06:04 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Regarding multi-value field, from a reader
In-Reply-To: <5092C4B7.1050404@torchlake.com>
References: <5F069B6242214653A40D9DC1BA410F9D@SusanHarkins>
	<5092C4B7.1050404@torchlake.com>
Message-ID: <E5C7F868C7C845B3A97D95C83D4821FA@XPS>


 If you haven't figured it out, we (developers) are not going to be in the
picture much longer.

 Microsoft just released details on Office and Access 2013:

http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/jj162978(v=office.15).aspx

Couple of quotes:

"A new interactive view designer makes it easy for users who have little or
no programming experience to build apps. "
"A new application model enables subject matter experts to quickly create
and share applications that can be used to run their business. "

  They are focused on the end user and nothing but and everything is about
the cloud and Office 365.  Traditional desktop development with Access is
out.

Here's a list of what got pulled out:

http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc178954%28v=office.15%29.aspx;


Two biggies from that:

1. Access 2003 toolbars and command bars are no longer supported.  You
*must* use the ribbon.
2. ADP's are gone.

And there's a bunch of other stuff, like Pivot Charts.

Jim.
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina Norris
Fields
Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2012 02:52 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Regarding multi-value field, from a reader

Well, for what it's worth, I agree with everybody who said don't use 
multi-value fields!  Geez, we go to lots of trouble to normalize our 
data and then Access arrives with new specialties that at least look 
like the destruction of normalization!  Dang!
T

Tina Norris Fields
tinanfields at torchlake.com
231-322-2787

On 10/31/2012 7:08 PM, Susan Harkins wrote:
> Received the following from a reader:
>
> "I set up a multivalued field in Access 2010 using a List Box and 
> providing a Value List with values M,T,W,R,F. Everything works fine 
> but for one problem. When I chose M, W, F from my list, th 
> emultivalued filed reads F, M, W ... i.e., the entries are sorted left 
> to right whereas I want them to show up as M, W, F. Is there a way to 
> do this?"
>
> =====Other than learning the basics so I could write about them, I 
> don't use them and have almost no experience. Anyone have a quick and 
> easy answer? I'm going to do a little research, but if anybody knows, 
> please share!
>
> Thanks!
> Susan H.

-- 
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From tinanfields at torchlake.com  Thu Nov  1 14:26:53 2012
From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields)
Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2012 15:26:53 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Regarding multi-value field, from a reader
In-Reply-To: <E5C7F868C7C845B3A97D95C83D4821FA@XPS>
References: <5F069B6242214653A40D9DC1BA410F9D@SusanHarkins>
	<5092C4B7.1050404@torchlake.com>
	<E5C7F868C7C845B3A97D95C83D4821FA@XPS>
Message-ID: <5092CCFD.9000101@torchlake.com>

Well, yeah, but that's what they said about Access way back when they 
first introduced it.  They marketed it as a simple desktop toy that 
non-programmer types would be able to use by pointing and clicking their 
way to a fully functional database.  How many times have we been called 
in to repair one of those "fully functional" databases put together by 
someone who believed the hype and had no concept of what is really 
needed for a database?  So, maybe we won't be in the picture much 
longer, but I'm thinking that until people learn to understand and 
follow a logic diagram they aren't going to succeed in assembling a 
"fully functional database" no matter how pretty Microsoft makes the 
user interface.
T

Tina Norris Fields
tinanfields at torchlake.com
231-322-2787

On 11/1/2012 3:06 PM, Jim Dettman wrote:
>   If you haven't figured it out, we (developers) are not going to be in the
> picture much longer.
>
>   Microsoft just released details on Office and Access 2013:
>
> http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/jj162978(v=office.15).aspx
>
> Couple of quotes:
>
> "A new interactive view designer makes it easy for users who have little or
> no programming experience to build apps. "
> "A new application model enables subject matter experts to quickly create
> and share applications that can be used to run their business. "
>
>    They are focused on the end user and nothing but and everything is about
> the cloud and Office 365.  Traditional desktop development with Access is
> out.
>
> Here's a list of what got pulled out:
>
> http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc178954%28v=office.15%29.aspx;
>
>
> Two biggies from that:
>
> 1. Access 2003 toolbars and command bars are no longer supported.  You
> *must* use the ribbon.
> 2. ADP's are gone.
>
> And there's a bunch of other stuff, like Pivot Charts.
>
> Jim.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina Norris
> Fields
> Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2012 02:52 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Regarding multi-value field, from a reader
>
> Well, for what it's worth, I agree with everybody who said don't use
> multi-value fields!  Geez, we go to lots of trouble to normalize our
> data and then Access arrives with new specialties that at least look
> like the destruction of normalization!  Dang!
> T
>
> Tina Norris Fields
> tinanfields at torchlake.com
> 231-322-2787
>
> On 10/31/2012 7:08 PM, Susan Harkins wrote:
>> Received the following from a reader:
>>
>> "I set up a multivalued field in Access 2010 using a List Box and
>> providing a Value List with values M,T,W,R,F. Everything works fine
>> but for one problem. When I chose M, W, F from my list, th
>> emultivalued filed reads F, M, W ... i.e., the entries are sorted left
>> to right whereas I want them to show up as M, W, F. Is there a way to
>> do this?"
>>
>> =====Other than learning the basics so I could write about them, I
>> don't use them and have almost no experience. Anyone have a quick and
>> easy answer? I'm going to do a little research, but if anybody knows,
>> please share!
>>
>> Thanks!
>> Susan H.


From TSeptav at Uniserve.com  Thu Nov  1 14:36:06 2012
From: TSeptav at Uniserve.com (Tony Septav)
Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2012 14:36:06 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Regarding multi-value field, from a reader
In-Reply-To: <E5C7F868C7C845B3A97D95C83D4821FA@XPS>
Message-ID: <201211011936.qA1Ja9sk013431@databaseadvisors.com>

Hey Jim
Saw this coming, but I just cannot believe it. Rather than going forward
they have basically said F...Y.. developers. Boy oh boy Android (and
whatever else) is looking more like the new fresh approach. MS may be the
titan but as history proves giants do fall.

Tony Septav
Nanaimo, BC

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: November-01-12 2:06 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Regarding multi-value field, from a reader


 If you haven't figured it out, we (developers) are not going to be in the
picture much longer.

 Microsoft just released details on Office and Access 2013:

http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/jj162978(v=office.15).aspx

Couple of quotes:

"A new interactive view designer makes it easy for users who have little or
no programming experience to build apps. "
"A new application model enables subject matter experts to quickly create
and share applications that can be used to run their business. "

  They are focused on the end user and nothing but and everything is about
the cloud and Office 365.  Traditional desktop development with Access is
out.

Here's a list of what got pulled out:

http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc178954%28v=office.15%29.aspx;


Two biggies from that:

1. Access 2003 toolbars and command bars are no longer supported.  You
*must* use the ribbon.
2. ADP's are gone.

And there's a bunch of other stuff, like Pivot Charts.

Jim.
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina Norris
Fields
Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2012 02:52 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Regarding multi-value field, from a reader

Well, for what it's worth, I agree with everybody who said don't use 
multi-value fields!  Geez, we go to lots of trouble to normalize our 
data and then Access arrives with new specialties that at least look 
like the destruction of normalization!  Dang!
T

Tina Norris Fields
tinanfields at torchlake.com
231-322-2787

On 10/31/2012 7:08 PM, Susan Harkins wrote:
> Received the following from a reader:
>
> "I set up a multivalued field in Access 2010 using a List Box and 
> providing a Value List with values M,T,W,R,F. Everything works fine 
> but for one problem. When I chose M, W, F from my list, th 
> emultivalued filed reads F, M, W ... i.e., the entries are sorted left 
> to right whereas I want them to show up as M, W, F. Is there a way to 
> do this?"
>
> =====Other than learning the basics so I could write about them, I 
> don't use them and have almost no experience. Anyone have a quick and 
> easy answer? I'm going to do a little research, but if anybody knows, 
> please share!
>
> Thanks!
> Susan H.

-- 
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http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Thu Nov  1 15:10:50 2012
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2012 13:10:50 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Regarding multi-value field, from a reader
In-Reply-To: <E5C7F868C7C845B3A97D95C83D4821FA@XPS>
References: <5F069B6242214653A40D9DC1BA410F9D@SusanHarkins><5092C4B7.1050404@torchlake.com>
	<E5C7F868C7C845B3A97D95C83D4821FA@XPS>
Message-ID: <E878508C229C417696309FDE902E9AC1@creativesystemdesigns.com>

As if we did not see this coming. I have been saying it for a while and now
it is official. 

Access is no longer the preserve of developers; Developers will still be
needed or people who understand how databases work but that is not because
MS has not tried to eliminate their requirement so expect no official
support. In traditional MS response to situations, just ignore a problem,
direct all who ask to RTFM or RTFWS and the problem will just
disappear...just like all their web developers.

Jim  

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2012 12:06 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Regarding multi-value field, from a reader


 If you haven't figured it out, we (developers) are not going to be in the
picture much longer.

 Microsoft just released details on Office and Access 2013:

http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/jj162978(v=office.15).aspx

Couple of quotes:

"A new interactive view designer makes it easy for users who have little or
no programming experience to build apps. "
"A new application model enables subject matter experts to quickly create
and share applications that can be used to run their business. "

  They are focused on the end user and nothing but and everything is about
the cloud and Office 365.  Traditional desktop development with Access is
out.

Here's a list of what got pulled out:

http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc178954%28v=office.15%29.aspx;


Two biggies from that:

1. Access 2003 toolbars and command bars are no longer supported.  You
*must* use the ribbon.
2. ADP's are gone.

And there's a bunch of other stuff, like Pivot Charts.

Jim.
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina Norris
Fields
Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2012 02:52 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Regarding multi-value field, from a reader

Well, for what it's worth, I agree with everybody who said don't use 
multi-value fields!  Geez, we go to lots of trouble to normalize our 
data and then Access arrives with new specialties that at least look 
like the destruction of normalization!  Dang!
T

Tina Norris Fields
tinanfields at torchlake.com
231-322-2787

On 10/31/2012 7:08 PM, Susan Harkins wrote:
> Received the following from a reader:
>
> "I set up a multivalued field in Access 2010 using a List Box and 
> providing a Value List with values M,T,W,R,F. Everything works fine 
> but for one problem. When I chose M, W, F from my list, th 
> emultivalued filed reads F, M, W ... i.e., the entries are sorted left 
> to right whereas I want them to show up as M, W, F. Is there a way to 
> do this?"
>
> =====Other than learning the basics so I could write about them, I 
> don't use them and have almost no experience. Anyone have a quick and 
> easy answer? I'm going to do a little research, but if anybody knows, 
> please share!
>
> Thanks!
> Susan H.

-- 
AccessD mailing list
AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com

-- 
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From TSeptav at Uniserve.com  Thu Nov  1 15:20:46 2012
From: TSeptav at Uniserve.com (Tony Septav)
Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2012 15:20:46 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] New Access
Message-ID: <201211012020.qA1KKnHp006063@databaseadvisors.com>

Hey All

I wish we had a voice. But sadly we don't. I know many of you that are still
on the list have already moved on to other venues (smart people).I am
saddened that this has happened and I wish we could express our discontent
to Microsoft. But hey it all comes down to the almighty buck. It has been a
fun ride and curse the titan.

 

Tony Septav

Nanaimo, BC


From jimdettman at verizon.net  Thu Nov  1 15:47:34 2012
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2012 16:47:34 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Regarding multi-value field, from a reader
In-Reply-To: <5092CCFD.9000101@torchlake.com>
References: <5F069B6242214653A40D9DC1BA410F9D@SusanHarkins>
	<5092C4B7.1050404@torchlake.com>	<E5C7F868C7C845B3A97D95C83D4821FA@XPS>
	<5092CCFD.9000101@torchlake.com>
Message-ID: <3DD368F83B4B4374AD114BEC0F05273E@XPS>

Tina,

<<but I'm thinking that until people learn to understand and 
follow a logic diagram they aren't going to succeed in assembling a 
"fully functional database" no matter how pretty Microsoft makes the 
user interface.>>

 But the rub is, you won't be able to build an app the way we think of
something as an "app".

 The situation between back then and now is quite different.  Back then
significant developer level features were being added (richer event model,
VBA, ADP's, replication, etc).  You only need to look back at the Developers
Handbook over the years.  With each new publication, it consumed more and
more pages finally ending up as a two volume set of 2400 pages for Access
2000 as proof of that.

 But now the focus has moved significantly towards the end user.  Everything
that is complicated to any extent is being simplified (multi-value fields,
attachments, sub datasheets, lookup in table design, etc) as much as
possible and all the powerful features (like VBA) that allow you to do
different things are being removed or restricted. 

 An Access web database is nothing more then simple CRUD operations and can
easily be "fully functional" because there's not that much functionality
there.  Macro's only allowed and you  should see the list of macro's that
you can use; it's a very short list. 

  Since 2007, I have seen nothing significantly new added for developers.
In fact the last major developer feature added was the printer object in
A2003.  Some might argue that things like PDF output in 2007 was, but I see
that as an end user feature (you can't control it programmatically at all).
With things like the ribbon, it just makes our job that much more difficult.
You loose too much screen real estate and programming ribbons with custom
XML is a royal pain.  Now 2013 hammers that home by not allowing old style
toolbars at all and you must use the ribbon.  I see that as a loss for
developers.

  Personally, the writing has been on the wall for quite some time.
Microsoft is aiming Access to be squarely in the end user camp and much more
so then they have in the past. I don't believe the Access as we know it (a
product that can do way more then it was ever supposed to be able to do)
will be around all that much longer.  

 One other quote from the section on converting ADP's:

"Upgrade to the .NET Framework - Your application may be complex enough that
to consider moving to a professional development platform such as the .NET
Framework. SQL Server is designed to make it easier for you to use your
existing database infrastructure you've already created and extend the
functionality of your application without having to significantly rewrite
your code."
 
Jim.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina Norris
Fields
Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2012 03:27 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Regarding multi-value field, from a reader

Well, yeah, but that's what they said about Access way back when they 
first introduced it.  They marketed it as a simple desktop toy that 
non-programmer types would be able to use by pointing and clicking their 
way to a fully functional database.  How many times have we been called 
in to repair one of those "fully functional" databases put together by 
someone who believed the hype and had no concept of what is really 
needed for a database?  So, maybe we won't be in the picture much 
longer, but I'm thinking that until people learn to understand and 
follow a logic diagram they aren't going to succeed in assembling a 
"fully functional database" no matter how pretty Microsoft makes the 
user interface.
T

Tina Norris Fields
tinanfields at torchlake.com
231-322-2787

On 11/1/2012 3:06 PM, Jim Dettman wrote:
>   If you haven't figured it out, we (developers) are not going to be in
the
> picture much longer.
>
>   Microsoft just released details on Office and Access 2013:
>
> http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/jj162978(v=office.15).aspx
>
> Couple of quotes:
>
> "A new interactive view designer makes it easy for users who have little
or
> no programming experience to build apps. "
> "A new application model enables subject matter experts to quickly create
> and share applications that can be used to run their business. "
>
>    They are focused on the end user and nothing but and everything is
about
> the cloud and Office 365.  Traditional desktop development with Access is
> out.
>
> Here's a list of what got pulled out:
>
> http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc178954%28v=office.15%29.aspx;
>
>
> Two biggies from that:
>
> 1. Access 2003 toolbars and command bars are no longer supported.  You
> *must* use the ribbon.
> 2. ADP's are gone.
>
> And there's a bunch of other stuff, like Pivot Charts.
>
> Jim.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina Norris
> Fields
> Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2012 02:52 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Regarding multi-value field, from a reader
>
> Well, for what it's worth, I agree with everybody who said don't use
> multi-value fields!  Geez, we go to lots of trouble to normalize our
> data and then Access arrives with new specialties that at least look
> like the destruction of normalization!  Dang!
> T
>
> Tina Norris Fields
> tinanfields at torchlake.com
> 231-322-2787
>
> On 10/31/2012 7:08 PM, Susan Harkins wrote:
>> Received the following from a reader:
>>
>> "I set up a multivalued field in Access 2010 using a List Box and
>> providing a Value List with values M,T,W,R,F. Everything works fine
>> but for one problem. When I chose M, W, F from my list, th
>> emultivalued filed reads F, M, W ... i.e., the entries are sorted left
>> to right whereas I want them to show up as M, W, F. Is there a way to
>> do this?"
>>
>> =====Other than learning the basics so I could write about them, I
>> don't use them and have almost no experience. Anyone have a quick and
>> easy answer? I'm going to do a little research, but if anybody knows,
>> please share!
>>
>> Thanks!
>> Susan H.

-- 
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From jimdettman at verizon.net  Thu Nov  1 15:52:23 2012
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2012 16:52:23 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Regarding multi-value field, from a reader
In-Reply-To: <E878508C229C417696309FDE902E9AC1@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <5F069B6242214653A40D9DC1BA410F9D@SusanHarkins><5092C4B7.1050404@torchlake.com>
	<E5C7F868C7C845B3A97D95C83D4821FA@XPS>
	<E878508C229C417696309FDE902E9AC1@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <CDD9CFE280DB4958A9E41055ABF9A73F@XPS>


 I should clarify one point; when I said "Traditional desktop development
with Access is
out.", I should have said " on it's way out"

  With 2013, you still can develop desktop apps.  But no new features have
been added to support that and nothing new (from my viewpoint) has been
added for quite some time (see my reply to Tina).

  What I see from Microsoft is that everything (not just with Access) is all
about the cloud and Office 365 and if your not heading in that direction,
your heading in the wrong one.

Jim.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2012 04:11 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Regarding multi-value field, from a reader

As if we did not see this coming. I have been saying it for a while and now
it is official. 

Access is no longer the preserve of developers; Developers will still be
needed or people who understand how databases work but that is not because
MS has not tried to eliminate their requirement so expect no official
support. In traditional MS response to situations, just ignore a problem,
direct all who ask to RTFM or RTFWS and the problem will just
disappear...just like all their web developers.

Jim  

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2012 12:06 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Regarding multi-value field, from a reader


 If you haven't figured it out, we (developers) are not going to be in the
picture much longer.

 Microsoft just released details on Office and Access 2013:

http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/jj162978(v=office.15).aspx

Couple of quotes:

"A new interactive view designer makes it easy for users who have little or
no programming experience to build apps. "
"A new application model enables subject matter experts to quickly create
and share applications that can be used to run their business. "

  They are focused on the end user and nothing but and everything is about
the cloud and Office 365.  Traditional desktop development with Access is
out.

Here's a list of what got pulled out:

http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc178954%28v=office.15%29.aspx;


Two biggies from that:

1. Access 2003 toolbars and command bars are no longer supported.  You
*must* use the ribbon.
2. ADP's are gone.

And there's a bunch of other stuff, like Pivot Charts.

Jim.
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina Norris
Fields
Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2012 02:52 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Regarding multi-value field, from a reader

Well, for what it's worth, I agree with everybody who said don't use 
multi-value fields!  Geez, we go to lots of trouble to normalize our 
data and then Access arrives with new specialties that at least look 
like the destruction of normalization!  Dang!
T

Tina Norris Fields
tinanfields at torchlake.com
231-322-2787

On 10/31/2012 7:08 PM, Susan Harkins wrote:
> Received the following from a reader:
>
> "I set up a multivalued field in Access 2010 using a List Box and 
> providing a Value List with values M,T,W,R,F. Everything works fine 
> but for one problem. When I chose M, W, F from my list, th 
> emultivalued filed reads F, M, W ... i.e., the entries are sorted left 
> to right whereas I want them to show up as M, W, F. Is there a way to 
> do this?"
>
> =====Other than learning the basics so I could write about them, I 
> don't use them and have almost no experience. Anyone have a quick and 
> easy answer? I'm going to do a little research, but if anybody knows, 
> please share!
>
> Thanks!
> Susan H.

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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Thu Nov  1 16:25:59 2012
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2012 07:25:59 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Regarding multi-value field, from a reader
In-Reply-To: <E5C7F868C7C845B3A97D95C83D4821FA@XPS>
References: <5F069B6242214653A40D9DC1BA410F9D@SusanHarkins>,
	<5092C4B7.1050404@torchlake.com>,
	<E5C7F868C7C845B3A97D95C83D4821FA@XPS>
Message-ID: <5092E8E7.31587.70204C19@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

Neither of those bother me.

1. I make sure that users can do everything they need to do without using toolbars OR 
ribbons.

2. I dropped ADPs years ago, soon after taking a close look at them.

-- 
Stuart

On 1 Nov 2012 at 15:06, Jim Dettman wrote:

> 
>  If you haven't figured it out, we (developers) are not going to be in the
> picture much longer.
> 
>  Microsoft just released details on Office and Access 2013:
> 
> http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/jj162978(v=office.15).aspx
> 
> Couple of quotes:
> 
> "A new interactive view designer makes it easy for users who have little or
> no programming experience to build apps. "
> "A new application model enables subject matter experts to quickly create
> and share applications that can be used to run their business. "
> 
>   They are focused on the end user and nothing but and everything is about
> the cloud and Office 365.  Traditional desktop development with Access is
> out.
> 
> Here's a list of what got pulled out:
> 
> http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc178954%28v=office.15%29.aspx;
> 
> 
> Two biggies from that:
> 
> 1. Access 2003 toolbars and command bars are no longer supported.  You
> *must* use the ribbon.
> 2. ADP's are gone.
> 
> And there's a bunch of other stuff, like Pivot Charts.
> 
> Jim.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina Norris
> Fields
> Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2012 02:52 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Regarding multi-value field, from a reader
> 
> Well, for what it's worth, I agree with everybody who said don't use 
> multi-value fields!  Geez, we go to lots of trouble to normalize our 
> data and then Access arrives with new specialties that at least look 
> like the destruction of normalization!  Dang!
> T
> 
> Tina Norris Fields
> tinanfields at torchlake.com
> 231-322-2787
> 
> On 10/31/2012 7:08 PM, Susan Harkins wrote:
> > Received the following from a reader:
> >
> > "I set up a multivalued field in Access 2010 using a List Box and 
> > providing a Value List with values M,T,W,R,F. Everything works fine 
> > but for one problem. When I chose M, W, F from my list, th 
> > emultivalued filed reads F, M, W ... i.e., the entries are sorted left 
> > to right whereas I want them to show up as M, W, F. Is there a way to 
> > do this?"
> >
> > =====Other than learning the basics so I could write about them, I 
> > don't use them and have almost no experience. Anyone have a quick and 
> > easy answer? I'm going to do a little research, but if anybody knows, 
> > please share!
> >
> > Thanks!
> > Susan H.
> 
> -- 
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 
> -- 
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 



From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Thu Nov  1 16:32:21 2012
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2012 07:32:21 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Regarding multi-value field, from a reader
In-Reply-To: <E5C7F868C7C845B3A97D95C83D4821FA@XPS>
References: <5F069B6242214653A40D9DC1BA410F9D@SusanHarkins>,
	<5092C4B7.1050404@torchlake.com>,
	<E5C7F868C7C845B3A97D95C83D4821FA@XPS>
Message-ID: <5092EA65.9022.70261E37@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

One biggie for me is dropping support for Jet 3.  "This change affects databases that are 
linked to Access 97 databases."

I've got clients with lots of A97 backends.

-- 
Stuart

On 1 Nov 2012 at 15:06, Jim Dettman wrote:

> 
>  If you haven't figured it out, we (developers) are not going to be in the
> picture much longer.
> 
>  Microsoft just released details on Office and Access 2013:
> 
> http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/jj162978(v=office.15).aspx
> 
> Couple of quotes:
> 
> "A new interactive view designer makes it easy for users who have little or
> no programming experience to build apps. "
> "A new application model enables subject matter experts to quickly create
> and share applications that can be used to run their business. "
> 
>   They are focused on the end user and nothing but and everything is about
> the cloud and Office 365.  Traditional desktop development with Access is
> out.
> 
> Here's a list of what got pulled out:
> 
> http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc178954%28v=office.15%29.aspx;
> 
> 
> Two biggies from that:
> 
> 1. Access 2003 toolbars and command bars are no longer supported.  You
> *must* use the ribbon.
> 2. ADP's are gone.
> 
> And there's a bunch of other stuff, like Pivot Charts.
> 
> Jim.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina Norris
> Fields
> Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2012 02:52 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Regarding multi-value field, from a reader
> 
> Well, for what it's worth, I agree with everybody who said don't use 
> multi-value fields!  Geez, we go to lots of trouble to normalize our 
> data and then Access arrives with new specialties that at least look 
> like the destruction of normalization!  Dang!
> T
> 
> Tina Norris Fields
> tinanfields at torchlake.com
> 231-322-2787
> 
> On 10/31/2012 7:08 PM, Susan Harkins wrote:
> > Received the following from a reader:
> >
> > "I set up a multivalued field in Access 2010 using a List Box and 
> > providing a Value List with values M,T,W,R,F. Everything works fine 
> > but for one problem. When I chose M, W, F from my list, th 
> > emultivalued filed reads F, M, W ... i.e., the entries are sorted left 
> > to right whereas I want them to show up as M, W, F. Is there a way to 
> > do this?"
> >
> > =====Other than learning the basics so I could write about them, I 
> > don't use them and have almost no experience. Anyone have a quick and 
> > easy answer? I'm going to do a little research, but if anybody knows, 
> > please share!
> >
> > Thanks!
> > Susan H.
> 
> -- 
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 
> -- 
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 



From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Thu Nov  1 16:35:32 2012
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2012 07:35:32 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Regarding multi-value field, from a reader
In-Reply-To: <E5C7F868C7C845B3A97D95C83D4821FA@XPS>
References: <5F069B6242214653A40D9DC1BA410F9D@SusanHarkins>,
	<5092C4B7.1050404@torchlake.com>,
	<E5C7F868C7C845B3A97D95C83D4821FA@XPS>
Message-ID: <5092EB24.24155.702908A4@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

Oh-oh No 2.  

"dBASE support is removed so that the user can no longer connect to an external data 
dBASE database."

Same client relies on integration between Access and a major  application which uses dBase 
files.

-- 
Stuart

On 1 Nov 2012 at 15:06, Jim Dettman wrote:

> 
>  If you haven't figured it out, we (developers) are not going to be in the
> picture much longer.
> 
>  Microsoft just released details on Office and Access 2013:
> 
> http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/jj162978(v=office.15).aspx
> 
> Couple of quotes:
> 
> "A new interactive view designer makes it easy for users who have little or
> no programming experience to build apps. "
> "A new application model enables subject matter experts to quickly create
> and share applications that can be used to run their business. "
> 
>   They are focused on the end user and nothing but and everything is about
> the cloud and Office 365.  Traditional desktop development with Access is
> out.
> 
> Here's a list of what got pulled out:
> 
> http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc178954%28v=office.15%29.aspx;
> 
> 
> Two biggies from that:
> 
> 1. Access 2003 toolbars and command bars are no longer supported.  You
> *must* use the ribbon.
> 2. ADP's are gone.
> 
> And there's a bunch of other stuff, like Pivot Charts.
> 
> Jim.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina Norris
> Fields
> Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2012 02:52 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Regarding multi-value field, from a reader
> 
> Well, for what it's worth, I agree with everybody who said don't use 
> multi-value fields!  Geez, we go to lots of trouble to normalize our 
> data and then Access arrives with new specialties that at least look 
> like the destruction of normalization!  Dang!
> T
> 
> Tina Norris Fields
> tinanfields at torchlake.com
> 231-322-2787
> 
> On 10/31/2012 7:08 PM, Susan Harkins wrote:
> > Received the following from a reader:
> >
> > "I set up a multivalued field in Access 2010 using a List Box and 
> > providing a Value List with values M,T,W,R,F. Everything works fine 
> > but for one problem. When I chose M, W, F from my list, th 
> > emultivalued filed reads F, M, W ... i.e., the entries are sorted left 
> > to right whereas I want them to show up as M, W, F. Is there a way to 
> > do this?"
> >
> > =====Other than learning the basics so I could write about them, I 
> > don't use them and have almost no experience. Anyone have a quick and 
> > easy answer? I'm going to do a little research, but if anybody knows, 
> > please share!
> >
> > Thanks!
> > Susan H.
> 
> -- 
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 
> -- 
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 



From ssharkins at gmail.com  Thu Nov  1 16:57:11 2012
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2012 17:57:11 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Regarding multi-value field, from a reader
References: <5F069B6242214653A40D9DC1BA410F9D@SusanHarkins>,
	<5092C4B7.1050404@torchlake.com>,
	<E5C7F868C7C845B3A97D95C83D4821FA@XPS>
	<5092EA65.9022.70261E37@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <66EC19C0292D4E8F8657E55A35F68D1B@SusanHarkins>

You know what? The first book I wrote was for Access 97 -- I ran a search at 
Amazon for it -- not in their current inventory. :(

Susan H.


> One biggie for me is dropping support for Jet 3.  "This change affects 
> databases that are
> linked to Access 97 databases."
>
> I've got clients with lots of A97 backends.
>


From vbacreations at gmail.com  Thu Nov  1 17:02:13 2012
From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson)
Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2012 18:02:13 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Regarding multi-value field, from a reader
In-Reply-To: <5092EA65.9022.70261E37@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <5F069B6242214653A40D9DC1BA410F9D@SusanHarkins>
	<5092C4B7.1050404@torchlake.com>
	<E5C7F868C7C845B3A97D95C83D4821FA@XPS>
	<5092EA65.9022.70261E37@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <CAGuQ9V70vRViJaA7+AcP5cskrhLom8r3e9jzEVCphxirB_m7aw@mail.gmail.com>

Why haven't they upgraded? I can't think of a single thing I am using today
that I used in 97.

On Thu, Nov 1, 2012 at 5:32 PM, Stuart McLachlan <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg>wrote:

> One biggie for me is dropping support for Jet 3.  "This change affects
> databases that are
> linked to Access 97 databases."
>
> I've got clients with lots of A97 backends.
>
> --
> Stuart
>
> On 1 Nov 2012 at 15:06, Jim Dettman wrote:
>
> >
>  >  If you haven't figured it out, we (developers) are not going to be in
> the
> > picture much longer.
> >
> >  Microsoft just released details on Office and Access 2013:
> >
> > http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/jj162978(v=office.15).aspx
> >
> > Couple of quotes:
> >
> > "A new interactive view designer makes it easy for users who have little
> or
> > no programming experience to build apps. "
> > "A new application model enables subject matter experts to quickly create
> > and share applications that can be used to run their business. "
> >
> >   They are focused on the end user and nothing but and everything is
> about
> > the cloud and Office 365.  Traditional desktop development with Access is
> > out.
> >
> > Here's a list of what got pulled out:
> >
> >
> http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc178954%28v=office.15%29.aspx;
> >
> >
> > Two biggies from that:
> >
> > 1. Access 2003 toolbars and command bars are no longer supported.  You
> > *must* use the ribbon.
> > 2. ADP's are gone.
> >
> > And there's a bunch of other stuff, like Pivot Charts.
> >
> > Jim.
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina Norris
> > Fields
> > Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2012 02:52 PM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Regarding multi-value field, from a reader
> >
> > Well, for what it's worth, I agree with everybody who said don't use
> > multi-value fields!  Geez, we go to lots of trouble to normalize our
> > data and then Access arrives with new specialties that at least look
> > like the destruction of normalization!  Dang!
> > T
> >
> > Tina Norris Fields
> > tinanfields at torchlake.com
> > 231-322-2787
> >
> > On 10/31/2012 7:08 PM, Susan Harkins wrote:
> > > Received the following from a reader:
> > >
> > > "I set up a multivalued field in Access 2010 using a List Box and
> > > providing a Value List with values M,T,W,R,F. Everything works fine
> > > but for one problem. When I chose M, W, F from my list, th
> > > emultivalued filed reads F, M, W ... i.e., the entries are sorted left
> > > to right whereas I want them to show up as M, W, F. Is there a way to
> > > do this?"
> > >
> > > =====Other than learning the basics so I could write about them, I
> > > don't use them and have almost no experience. Anyone have a quick and
> > > easy answer? I'm going to do a little research, but if anybody knows,
> > > please share!
> > >
> > > Thanks!
> > > Susan H.
> >
> > --
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> > --
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
>
>
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>



-- 
*Regards,*
**
**
*Bill Benson*
*VBACreations*
**
 PS:  You've gotten this e-mail *because you matter to me!*

From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Thu Nov  1 17:11:16 2012
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2012 08:11:16 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Regarding multi-value field, from a reader
In-Reply-To: <CAGuQ9V70vRViJaA7+AcP5cskrhLom8r3e9jzEVCphxirB_m7aw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <5F069B6242214653A40D9DC1BA410F9D@SusanHarkins>,
	<5092EA65.9022.70261E37@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>,
	<CAGuQ9V70vRViJaA7+AcP5cskrhLom8r3e9jzEVCphxirB_m7aw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5092F384.9522.7049C252@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

Because they don't need to.  It all works fine the way it is.

-- 
Stuart

On 1 Nov 2012 at 18:02, William Benson wrote:

> Why haven't they upgraded? I can't think of a single thing I am using today
> that I used in 97.
> 
> On Thu, Nov 1, 2012 at 5:32 PM, Stuart McLachlan <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg>wrote:
> 
> > One biggie for me is dropping support for Jet 3.  "This change affects
> > databases that are
> > linked to Access 97 databases."
> >
> > I've got clients with lots of A97 backends.
> >
> > --
> > Stuart
> >
> > On 1 Nov 2012 at 15:06, Jim Dettman wrote:
> >
> > >
> >  >  If you haven't figured it out, we (developers) are not going to be in
> > the
> > > picture much longer.
> > >
> > >  Microsoft just released details on Office and Access 2013:
> > >
> > > http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/jj162978(v=office.15).aspx
> > >
> > > Couple of quotes:
> > >
> > > "A new interactive view designer makes it easy for users who have little
> > or
> > > no programming experience to build apps. "
> > > "A new application model enables subject matter experts to quickly create
> > > and share applications that can be used to run their business. "
> > >
> > >   They are focused on the end user and nothing but and everything is
> > about
> > > the cloud and Office 365.  Traditional desktop development with Access is
> > > out.
> > >
> > > Here's a list of what got pulled out:
> > >
> > >
> > http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc178954%28v=office.15%29.aspx;
> > >
> > >
> > > Two biggies from that:
> > >
> > > 1. Access 2003 toolbars and command bars are no longer supported.  You
> > > *must* use the ribbon.
> > > 2. ADP's are gone.
> > >
> > > And there's a bunch of other stuff, like Pivot Charts.
> > >
> > > Jim.
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina Norris
> > > Fields
> > > Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2012 02:52 PM
> > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Regarding multi-value field, from a reader
> > >
> > > Well, for what it's worth, I agree with everybody who said don't use
> > > multi-value fields!  Geez, we go to lots of trouble to normalize our
> > > data and then Access arrives with new specialties that at least look
> > > like the destruction of normalization!  Dang!
> > > T
> > >
> > > Tina Norris Fields
> > > tinanfields at torchlake.com
> > > 231-322-2787
> > >
> > > On 10/31/2012 7:08 PM, Susan Harkins wrote:
> > > > Received the following from a reader:
> > > >
> > > > "I set up a multivalued field in Access 2010 using a List Box and
> > > > providing a Value List with values M,T,W,R,F. Everything works fine
> > > > but for one problem. When I chose M, W, F from my list, th
> > > > emultivalued filed reads F, M, W ... i.e., the entries are sorted left
> > > > to right whereas I want them to show up as M, W, F. Is there a way to
> > > > do this?"
> > > >
> > > > =====Other than learning the basics so I could write about them, I
> > > > don't use them and have almost no experience. Anyone have a quick and
> > > > easy answer? I'm going to do a little research, but if anybody knows,
> > > > please share!
> > > >
> > > > Thanks!
> > > > Susan H.
> > >
> > > --
> > > AccessD mailing list
> > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > >
> > > --
> > > AccessD mailing list
> > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > >
> >
> >
> > --
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> *Regards,*
> **
> **
> *Bill Benson*
> *VBACreations*
> **
>  PS:  You've gotten this e-mail *because you matter to me!*
> -- 
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 



From TSeptav at Uniserve.com  Thu Nov  1 17:53:44 2012
From: TSeptav at Uniserve.com (Tony Septav)
Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2012 17:53:44 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Regarding multi-value field, from a reader
In-Reply-To: <5092F384.9522.7049C252@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <201211012253.qA1Mrm04017677@databaseadvisors.com>

Hey All
Let's be honest, MS does not care. Why do we keep supporting this company.
Access could be an incredible intermediate programming tool (small/medium
businesses/ cell phones etc.)if it was supported. We do not see that and
never have. Let us stop fooling ourselves.
Enough said.

Tony Septav
Nanaimo, BC



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
Sent: November-01-12 5:11 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Regarding multi-value field, from a reader

Because they don't need to.  It all works fine the way it is.

-- 
Stuart

On 1 Nov 2012 at 18:02, William Benson wrote:

> Why haven't they upgraded? I can't think of a single thing I am using
today
> that I used in 97.
> 
> On Thu, Nov 1, 2012 at 5:32 PM, Stuart McLachlan
<stuart at lexacorp.com.pg>wrote:
> 
> > One biggie for me is dropping support for Jet 3.  "This change affects
> > databases that are
> > linked to Access 97 databases."
> >
> > I've got clients with lots of A97 backends.
> >
> > --
> > Stuart
> >
> > On 1 Nov 2012 at 15:06, Jim Dettman wrote:
> >
> > >
> >  >  If you haven't figured it out, we (developers) are not going to be
in
> > the
> > > picture much longer.
> > >
> > >  Microsoft just released details on Office and Access 2013:
> > >
> > > http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/jj162978(v=office.15).aspx
> > >
> > > Couple of quotes:
> > >
> > > "A new interactive view designer makes it easy for users who have
little
> > or
> > > no programming experience to build apps. "
> > > "A new application model enables subject matter experts to quickly
create
> > > and share applications that can be used to run their business. "
> > >
> > >   They are focused on the end user and nothing but and everything is
> > about
> > > the cloud and Office 365.  Traditional desktop development with Access
is
> > > out.
> > >
> > > Here's a list of what got pulled out:
> > >
> > >
> >
http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc178954%28v=office.15%29.aspx;
> > >
> > >
> > > Two biggies from that:
> > >
> > > 1. Access 2003 toolbars and command bars are no longer supported.  You
> > > *must* use the ribbon.
> > > 2. ADP's are gone.
> > >
> > > And there's a bunch of other stuff, like Pivot Charts.
> > >
> > > Jim.
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina Norris
> > > Fields
> > > Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2012 02:52 PM
> > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Regarding multi-value field, from a reader
> > >
> > > Well, for what it's worth, I agree with everybody who said don't use
> > > multi-value fields!  Geez, we go to lots of trouble to normalize our
> > > data and then Access arrives with new specialties that at least look
> > > like the destruction of normalization!  Dang!
> > > T
> > >
> > > Tina Norris Fields
> > > tinanfields at torchlake.com
> > > 231-322-2787
> > >
> > > On 10/31/2012 7:08 PM, Susan Harkins wrote:
> > > > Received the following from a reader:
> > > >
> > > > "I set up a multivalued field in Access 2010 using a List Box and
> > > > providing a Value List with values M,T,W,R,F. Everything works fine
> > > > but for one problem. When I chose M, W, F from my list, th
> > > > emultivalued filed reads F, M, W ... i.e., the entries are sorted
left
> > > > to right whereas I want them to show up as M, W, F. Is there a way
to
> > > > do this?"
> > > >
> > > > =====Other than learning the basics so I could write about them, I
> > > > don't use them and have almost no experience. Anyone have a quick
and
> > > > easy answer? I'm going to do a little research, but if anybody
knows,
> > > > please share!
> > > >
> > > > Thanks!
> > > > Susan H.
> > >
> > > --
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> > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
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> >
> >
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> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> *Regards,*
> **
> **
> *Bill Benson*
> *VBACreations*
> **
>  PS:  You've gotten this e-mail *because you matter to me!*
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From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au  Thu Nov  1 18:57:30 2012
From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins)
Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2012 23:57:30 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Regarding multi-value field, from a reader
In-Reply-To: <5092CCFD.9000101@torchlake.com>
References: <5F069B6242214653A40D9DC1BA410F9D@SusanHarkins>
	<5092C4B7.1050404@torchlake.com>	<E5C7F868C7C845B3A97D95C83D4821FA@XPS>
	<5092CCFD.9000101@torchlake.com>
Message-ID: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B5343343BE@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>

Tina, this is an excellent point.  You see the same thing with Excel as well.  On both platforms I usually see users just make a bigger mess via the new user features that is harder to clean up and often hopelessly complex and unwieldy.  Too many folks try to make their databases / spreadsheets look just like their reporting outcomes with little or no understand about how to efficiently and consistently turn data into information over an extended time period.  

A lot of this 'Build by Bob in accounts' in house stuff will (just) function until something changes, then it usually goes to crap pretty fast.  That is when the end up calling someone like me.

Of course that has kept me gainfully employed for quite some time so I owe MS and those folks a big thanks.

Cheers
Darryl

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina Norris Fields
Sent: Friday, 2 November 2012 6:27 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Regarding multi-value field, from a reader

Well, yeah, but that's what they said about Access way back when they first introduced it.  They marketed it as a simple desktop toy that non-programmer types would be able to use by pointing and clicking their way to a fully functional database.  How many times have we been called in to repair one of those "fully functional" databases put together by someone who believed the hype and had no concept of what is really needed for a database?  So, maybe we won't be in the picture much longer, but I'm thinking that until people learn to understand and follow a logic diagram they aren't going to succeed in assembling a "fully functional database" no matter how pretty Microsoft makes the user interface.
T

Tina Norris Fields
tinanfields at torchlake.com
231-322-2787

On 11/1/2012 3:06 PM, Jim Dettman wrote:
>   If you haven't figured it out, we (developers) are not going to be 
> in the picture much longer.
>
>   Microsoft just released details on Office and Access 2013:
>
> http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/jj162978(v=office.15).aspx
>
> Couple of quotes:
>
> "A new interactive view designer makes it easy for users who have 
> little or no programming experience to build apps. "
> "A new application model enables subject matter experts to quickly 
> create and share applications that can be used to run their business. "
>
>    They are focused on the end user and nothing but and everything is 
> about the cloud and Office 365.  Traditional desktop development with 
> Access is out.
>
> Here's a list of what got pulled out:
>
> http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc178954%28v=office.15%29.a
> spx;
>
>
> Two biggies from that:
>
> 1. Access 2003 toolbars and command bars are no longer supported.  You
> *must* use the ribbon.
> 2. ADP's are gone.
>
> And there's a bunch of other stuff, like Pivot Charts.
>
> Jim.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina Norris 
> Fields
> Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2012 02:52 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Regarding multi-value field, from a reader
>
> Well, for what it's worth, I agree with everybody who said don't use 
> multi-value fields!  Geez, we go to lots of trouble to normalize our 
> data and then Access arrives with new specialties that at least look 
> like the destruction of normalization!  Dang!
> T
>
> Tina Norris Fields
> tinanfields at torchlake.com
> 231-322-2787
>
> On 10/31/2012 7:08 PM, Susan Harkins wrote:
>> Received the following from a reader:
>>
>> "I set up a multivalued field in Access 2010 using a List Box and 
>> providing a Value List with values M,T,W,R,F. Everything works fine 
>> but for one problem. When I chose M, W, F from my list, th 
>> emultivalued filed reads F, M, W ... i.e., the entries are sorted 
>> left to right whereas I want them to show up as M, W, F. Is there a 
>> way to do this?"
>>
>> =====Other than learning the basics so I could write about them, I 
>> don't use them and have almost no experience. Anyone have a quick and 
>> easy answer? I'm going to do a little research, but if anybody knows, 
>> please share!
>>
>> Thanks!
>> Susan H.

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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Nov  1 21:34:45 2012
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2012 22:34:45 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Regarding multi-value field, from a reader
In-Reply-To: <3DD368F83B4B4374AD114BEC0F05273E@XPS>
References: <5F069B6242214653A40D9DC1BA410F9D@SusanHarkins>
	<5092C4B7.1050404@torchlake.com>	<E5C7F868C7C845B3A97D95C83D4821FA@XPS>
	<5092CCFD.9000101@torchlake.com>
	<3DD368F83B4B4374AD114BEC0F05273E@XPS>
Message-ID: <50933145.4020709@colbyconsulting.com>

 >"SQL Server is designed to make it easier for you to use your existing database infrastructure 
you've already created and extend the functionality of your application without having to 
significantly rewrite your code."

Of course this assumes that you didn't write any code to begin with.  Porting classes / events and 
all the framework stuff I did to the .Net framework... not for the faint of heart.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 11/1/2012 4:47 PM, Jim Dettman wrote:
> Tina,
>
> <<but I'm thinking that until people learn to understand and
> follow a logic diagram they aren't going to succeed in assembling a
> "fully functional database" no matter how pretty Microsoft makes the
> user interface.>>
>
>   But the rub is, you won't be able to build an app the way we think of
> something as an "app".
>
>   The situation between back then and now is quite different.  Back then
> significant developer level features were being added (richer event model,
> VBA, ADP's, replication, etc).  You only need to look back at the Developers
> Handbook over the years.  With each new publication, it consumed more and
> more pages finally ending up as a two volume set of 2400 pages for Access
> 2000 as proof of that.
>
>   But now the focus has moved significantly towards the end user.  Everything
> that is complicated to any extent is being simplified (multi-value fields,
> attachments, sub datasheets, lookup in table design, etc) as much as
> possible and all the powerful features (like VBA) that allow you to do
> different things are being removed or restricted.
>
>   An Access web database is nothing more then simple CRUD operations and can
> easily be "fully functional" because there's not that much functionality
> there.  Macro's only allowed and you  should see the list of macro's that
> you can use; it's a very short list.
>
>    Since 2007, I have seen nothing significantly new added for developers.
> In fact the last major developer feature added was the printer object in
> A2003.  Some might argue that things like PDF output in 2007 was, but I see
> that as an end user feature (you can't control it programmatically at all).
> With things like the ribbon, it just makes our job that much more difficult.
> You loose too much screen real estate and programming ribbons with custom
> XML is a royal pain.  Now 2013 hammers that home by not allowing old style
> toolbars at all and you must use the ribbon.  I see that as a loss for
> developers.
>
>    Personally, the writing has been on the wall for quite some time.
> Microsoft is aiming Access to be squarely in the end user camp and much more
> so then they have in the past. I don't believe the Access as we know it (a
> product that can do way more then it was ever supposed to be able to do)
> will be around all that much longer.
>
>   One other quote from the section on converting ADP's:
>
> "Upgrade to the .NET Framework - Your application may be complex enough that
> to consider moving to a professional development platform such as the .NET
> Framework. SQL Server is designed to make it easier for you to use your
> existing database infrastructure you've already created and extend the
> functionality of your application without having to significantly rewrite
> your code."
>
> Jim.


From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Nov  1 21:38:40 2012
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2012 22:38:40 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Regarding multi-value field, from a reader
In-Reply-To: <CDD9CFE280DB4958A9E41055ABF9A73F@XPS>
References: <5F069B6242214653A40D9DC1BA410F9D@SusanHarkins><5092C4B7.1050404@torchlake.com>
	<E5C7F868C7C845B3A97D95C83D4821FA@XPS>
	<E878508C229C417696309FDE902E9AC1@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<CDD9CFE280DB4958A9E41055ABF9A73F@XPS>
Message-ID: <50933230.1090201@colbyconsulting.com>

And the day that it is fiber to every door, and the cloud is uninterruptable... then we can talk 
such stuff.  Until then it is pure nonsense.  Unless of course having your business completely down 
because the data center in NYC is underwater is acceptable.

None of my clients need the power of the cloud, nor is the cloud reliable enough yet.  I have no 
doubt that it will be some day soon (10 years), at which time it will make a lot of sense.

Today I think not.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 11/1/2012 4:52 PM, Jim Dettman wrote:
>
>   I should clarify one point; when I said "Traditional desktop development
> with Access is
> out.", I should have said " on it's way out"
>
>    With 2013, you still can develop desktop apps.  But no new features have
> been added to support that and nothing new (from my viewpoint) has been
> added for quite some time (see my reply to Tina).
>
>    What I see from Microsoft is that everything (not just with Access) is all
> about the cloud and Office 365 and if your not heading in that direction,
> your heading in the wrong one.
>
> Jim.


From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Nov  1 21:41:07 2012
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2012 22:41:07 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] [SPAM] Re:  Regarding multi-value field, from a reader
In-Reply-To: <CAGuQ9V70vRViJaA7+AcP5cskrhLom8r3e9jzEVCphxirB_m7aw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <5F069B6242214653A40D9DC1BA410F9D@SusanHarkins>
	<5092C4B7.1050404@torchlake.com>
	<E5C7F868C7C845B3A97D95C83D4821FA@XPS>
	<5092EA65.9022.70261E37@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<CAGuQ9V70vRViJaA7+AcP5cskrhLom8r3e9jzEVCphxirB_m7aw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <509332C3.6000109@colbyconsulting.com>

 >I can't think of a single thing I am using today that I used in 97.

uuhhh???

tables, fields, queries, reports, forms?

Sure the code (vba) is much better in 2003 but 97 worked.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 11/1/2012 6:02 PM, William Benson wrote:
> Why haven't they upgraded? I can't think of a single thing I am using today
> that I used in 97.
>
> On Thu, Nov 1, 2012 at 5:32 PM, Stuart McLachlan <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg>wrote:
>
>> One biggie for me is dropping support for Jet 3.  "This change affects
>> databases that are
>> linked to Access 97 databases."
>>
>> I've got clients with lots of A97 backends.
>>
>> --
>> Stuart
>>
>> On 1 Nov 2012 at 15:06, Jim Dettman wrote:
>>
>>>
>>   >  If you haven't figured it out, we (developers) are not going to be in
>> the
>>> picture much longer.
>>>
>>>   Microsoft just released details on Office and Access 2013:
>>>
>>> http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/jj162978(v=office.15).aspx
>>>
>>> Couple of quotes:
>>>
>>> "A new interactive view designer makes it easy for users who have little
>> or
>>> no programming experience to build apps. "
>>> "A new application model enables subject matter experts to quickly create
>>> and share applications that can be used to run their business. "
>>>
>>>    They are focused on the end user and nothing but and everything is
>> about
>>> the cloud and Office 365.  Traditional desktop development with Access is
>>> out.
>>>
>>> Here's a list of what got pulled out:
>>>
>>>
>> http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc178954%28v=office.15%29.aspx;
>>>
>>>
>>> Two biggies from that:
>>>
>>> 1. Access 2003 toolbars and command bars are no longer supported.  You
>>> *must* use the ribbon.
>>> 2. ADP's are gone.
>>>
>>> And there's a bunch of other stuff, like Pivot Charts.
>>>
>>> Jim.
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina Norris
>>> Fields
>>> Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2012 02:52 PM
>>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Regarding multi-value field, from a reader
>>>
>>> Well, for what it's worth, I agree with everybody who said don't use
>>> multi-value fields!  Geez, we go to lots of trouble to normalize our
>>> data and then Access arrives with new specialties that at least look
>>> like the destruction of normalization!  Dang!
>>> T
>>>
>>> Tina Norris Fields
>>> tinanfields at torchlake.com
>>> 231-322-2787
>>>
>>> On 10/31/2012 7:08 PM, Susan Harkins wrote:
>>>> Received the following from a reader:
>>>>
>>>> "I set up a multivalued field in Access 2010 using a List Box and
>>>> providing a Value List with values M,T,W,R,F. Everything works fine
>>>> but for one problem. When I chose M, W, F from my list, th
>>>> emultivalued filed reads F, M, W ... i.e., the entries are sorted left
>>>> to right whereas I want them to show up as M, W, F. Is there a way to
>>>> do this?"
>>>>
>>>> =====Other than learning the basics so I could write about them, I
>>>> don't use them and have almost no experience. Anyone have a quick and
>>>> easy answer? I'm going to do a little research, but if anybody knows,
>>>> please share!
>>>>
>>>> Thanks!
>>>> Susan H.
>>>
>>> --
>>> AccessD mailing list
>>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>>
>>> --
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>>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>>
>>
>>
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>>
>
>
>


From vbacreations at gmail.com  Thu Nov  1 22:08:01 2012
From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson)
Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2012 23:08:01 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] [SPAM] Re: Regarding multi-value field, from a reader
In-Reply-To: <509332C3.6000109@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <5F069B6242214653A40D9DC1BA410F9D@SusanHarkins>
	<5092C4B7.1050404@torchlake.com>
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	<5092EA65.9022.70261E37@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
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I was referring to software releases not objects and functions John.
On Nov 1, 2012 10:42 PM, "jwcolby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:

> >I can't think of a single thing I am using today that I used in 97.
>
> uuhhh???
>
> tables, fields, queries, reports, forms?
>
> Sure the code (vba) is much better in 2003 but 97 worked.
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
>
> Reality is what refuses to go away
> when you do not believe in it
>
> On 11/1/2012 6:02 PM, William Benson wrote:
>
>> Why haven't they upgraded? I can't think of a single thing I am using
>> today
>> that I used in 97.
>>
>> On Thu, Nov 1, 2012 at 5:32 PM, Stuart McLachlan <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg
>> >wrote:
>>
>>  One biggie for me is dropping support for Jet 3.  "This change affects
>>> databases that are
>>> linked to Access 97 databases."
>>>
>>> I've got clients with lots of A97 backends.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Stuart
>>>
>>> On 1 Nov 2012 at 15:06, Jim Dettman wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>    >  If you haven't figured it out, we (developers) are not going to
>>> be in
>>> the
>>>
>>>> picture much longer.
>>>>
>>>>   Microsoft just released details on Office and Access 2013:
>>>>
>>>> http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-**us/library/jj162978(v=office.**15).aspx<http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/jj162978(v=office.15).aspx>
>>>>
>>>> Couple of quotes:
>>>>
>>>> "A new interactive view designer makes it easy for users who have little
>>>>
>>> or
>>>
>>>> no programming experience to build apps. "
>>>> "A new application model enables subject matter experts to quickly
>>>> create
>>>> and share applications that can be used to run their business. "
>>>>
>>>>    They are focused on the end user and nothing but and everything is
>>>>
>>> about
>>>
>>>> the cloud and Office 365.  Traditional desktop development with Access
>>>> is
>>>> out.
>>>>
>>>> Here's a list of what got pulled out:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  http://technet.microsoft.com/**en-us/library/cc178954%28v=**
>>> office.15%29.aspx<http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc178954%28v=office.15%29.aspx>
>>> ;
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Two biggies from that:
>>>>
>>>> 1. Access 2003 toolbars and command bars are no longer supported.  You
>>>> *must* use the ribbon.
>>>> 2. ADP's are gone.
>>>>
>>>> And there's a bunch of other stuff, like Pivot Charts.
>>>>
>>>> Jim.
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: accessd-bounces@**databaseadvisors.com<accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com>
>>>> [mailto:accessd-bounces@**databaseadvisors.com<accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com>]
>>>> On Behalf Of Tina Norris
>>>> Fields
>>>> Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2012 02:52 PM
>>>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>>>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Regarding multi-value field, from a reader
>>>>
>>>> Well, for what it's worth, I agree with everybody who said don't use
>>>> multi-value fields!  Geez, we go to lots of trouble to normalize our
>>>> data and then Access arrives with new specialties that at least look
>>>> like the destruction of normalization!  Dang!
>>>> T
>>>>
>>>> Tina Norris Fields
>>>> tinanfields at torchlake.com
>>>> 231-322-2787
>>>>
>>>> On 10/31/2012 7:08 PM, Susan Harkins wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Received the following from a reader:
>>>>>
>>>>> "I set up a multivalued field in Access 2010 using a List Box and
>>>>> providing a Value List with values M,T,W,R,F. Everything works fine
>>>>> but for one problem. When I chose M, W, F from my list, th
>>>>> emultivalued filed reads F, M, W ... i.e., the entries are sorted left
>>>>> to right whereas I want them to show up as M, W, F. Is there a way to
>>>>> do this?"
>>>>>
>>>>> =====Other than learning the basics so I could write about them, I
>>>>> don't use them and have almost no experience. Anyone have a quick and
>>>>> easy answer? I'm going to do a little research, but if anybody knows,
>>>>> please share!
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>> Susan H.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
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>>>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
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>>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.**com<http://www.databaseadvisors.com>
>>>>
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>>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.**com<http://www.databaseadvisors.com>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
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>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.**com<http://www.databaseadvisors.com>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
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>

From drawbridgej at sympatico.ca  Thu Nov  1 22:09:24 2012
From: drawbridgej at sympatico.ca (Jack and Pat)
Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2012 23:09:24 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Running Access 2003 and 2010 on same PC
Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP96F921C5AE441092C4B8AAC4670@phx.gbl>

Hopefully someone here has resolved multi versions of Access on the same
machine. I'm trying to set up 2010 to run along with the trusty 2003 on XP
sp3. Whenever I move from one version to the other,  I get the Microsoft
interruption and message that M$oft is reinstalling. It seems a very
frustrating issue that would have been solved (officially) or a proper work
around found and used. 
 
I have searched a lot and have not found a definitive solution. I have seen
people who have gone to Virtual PC to separate their different versions of
Office and Access.
 
Has anyone solved this? If you're running multiple versions of Acces on same
PC, do you really put up with the reinstalling/reconfig stuff?
 
Feedback please.........
Jack

From steve at datamanagementsolutions.biz  Thu Nov  1 22:13:33 2012
From: steve at datamanagementsolutions.biz (Steve Schapel)
Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2012 16:13:33 +1300
Subject: [AccessD] Running Access 2003 and 2010 on same PC
In-Reply-To: <BLU0-SMTP96F921C5AE441092C4B8AAC4670@phx.gbl>
References: <BLU0-SMTP96F921C5AE441092C4B8AAC4670@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <A7B7D7FBF3914955B57A4FF95D41B8BF@stevelaptop>

Hi Jack

Re: "If you're running multiple versions of Acces on same PC, do you really 
put up with the reinstalling/reconfig stuff?"

Yes, I do.

Regards
Steve

-----Original Message----- 
From: Jack and Pat
Sent: Friday, November 02, 2012 4:09 PM
To: AccessD Group Discussion
Subject: [AccessD] Running Access 2003 and 2010 on same PC

Hopefully someone here has resolved multi versions of Access on the same
machine. I'm trying to set up 2010 to run along with the trusty 2003 on XP
sp3. Whenever I move from one version to the other,  I get the Microsoft
interruption and message that M$oft is reinstalling. It seems a very
frustrating issue that would have been solved (officially) or a proper work
around found and used.

I have searched a lot and have not found a definitive solution. I have seen
people who have gone to Virtual PC to separate their different versions of
Office and Access.

Has anyone solved this? If you're running multiple versions of Acces on same
PC, do you really put up with the reinstalling/reconfig stuff?

Feedback please.........
Jack
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From vbacreations at gmail.com  Thu Nov  1 22:19:50 2012
From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson)
Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2012 23:19:50 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Running Access 2003 and 2010 on same PC
In-Reply-To: <A7B7D7FBF3914955B57A4FF95D41B8BF@stevelaptop>
References: <BLU0-SMTP96F921C5AE441092C4B8AAC4670@phx.gbl>
	<A7B7D7FBF3914955B57A4FF95D41B8BF@stevelaptop>
Message-ID: <CAGuQ9V40MYEEWVdkqUBt1-c6utPU+-SSpk0SEKPc45DKWm2QRg@mail.gmail.com>

It doesnt happen to me. I think i handled it through some added text in the
shortcut on my taskbar that launches them. Ill have a look tomorrow.
On Nov 1, 2012 11:14 PM, "Steve Schapel" <steve at datamanagementsolutions.biz>
wrote:

> Hi Jack
>
> Re: "If you're running multiple versions of Acces on same PC, do you
> really put up with the reinstalling/reconfig stuff?"
>
> Yes, I do.
>
> Regards
> Steve
>
> -----Original Message----- From: Jack and Pat
> Sent: Friday, November 02, 2012 4:09 PM
> To: AccessD Group Discussion
> Subject: [AccessD] Running Access 2003 and 2010 on same PC
>
> Hopefully someone here has resolved multi versions of Access on the same
> machine. I'm trying to set up 2010 to run along with the trusty 2003 on XP
> sp3. Whenever I move from one version to the other,  I get the Microsoft
> interruption and message that M$oft is reinstalling. It seems a very
> frustrating issue that would have been solved (officially) or a proper work
> around found and used.
>
> I have searched a lot and have not found a definitive solution. I have seen
> people who have gone to Virtual PC to separate their different versions of
> Office and Access.
>
> Has anyone solved this? If you're running multiple versions of Acces on
> same
> PC, do you really put up with the reinstalling/reconfig stuff?
>
> Feedback please.........
> Jack
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From dw-murphy at cox.net  Thu Nov  1 22:33:50 2012
From: dw-murphy at cox.net (Doug Murphy)
Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2012 20:33:50 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Running Access 2003 and 2010 on same PC
In-Reply-To: <BLU0-SMTP96F921C5AE441092C4B8AAC4670@phx.gbl>
References: <BLU0-SMTP96F921C5AE441092C4B8AAC4670@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <002401cdb8aa$e0463120$a0d29360$@cox.net>

Virtual machines! Virtual Box is free. VMWare rocks.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jack and Pat
Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2012 8:09 PM
To: AccessD Group Discussion
Subject: [AccessD] Running Access 2003 and 2010 on same PC

Hopefully someone here has resolved multi versions of Access on the same
machine. I'm trying to set up 2010 to run along with the trusty 2003 on XP
sp3. Whenever I move from one version to the other,  I get the Microsoft
interruption and message that M$oft is reinstalling. It seems a very
frustrating issue that would have been solved (officially) or a proper work
around found and used. 
 
I have searched a lot and have not found a definitive solution. I have seen
people who have gone to Virtual PC to separate their different versions of
Office and Access.
 
Has anyone solved this? If you're running multiple versions of Acces on same
PC, do you really put up with the reinstalling/reconfig stuff?
 
Feedback please.........
Jack
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Thu Nov  1 22:55:08 2012
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2012 20:55:08 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Running Access 2003 and 2010 on same PC
In-Reply-To: <CAGuQ9V40MYEEWVdkqUBt1-c6utPU+-SSpk0SEKPc45DKWm2QRg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BLU0-SMTP96F921C5AE441092C4B8AAC4670@phx.gbl><A7B7D7FBF3914955B57A4FF95D41B8BF@stevelaptop>
	<CAGuQ9V40MYEEWVdkqUBt1-c6utPU+-SSpk0SEKPc45DKWm2QRg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <FAC145C65DC44C81AD33FEA7A59EC53A@HAL9007>

What about virtual machines?

Rocky
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Benson
Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2012 8:20 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Running Access 2003 and 2010 on same PC

It doesnt happen to me. I think i handled it through some added text in the
shortcut on my taskbar that launches them. Ill have a look tomorrow.
On Nov 1, 2012 11:14 PM, "Steve Schapel" <steve at datamanagementsolutions.biz>
wrote:

> Hi Jack
>
> Re: "If you're running multiple versions of Acces on same PC, do you 
> really put up with the reinstalling/reconfig stuff?"
>
> Yes, I do.
>
> Regards
> Steve
>
> -----Original Message----- From: Jack and Pat
> Sent: Friday, November 02, 2012 4:09 PM
> To: AccessD Group Discussion
> Subject: [AccessD] Running Access 2003 and 2010 on same PC
>
> Hopefully someone here has resolved multi versions of Access on the 
> same machine. I'm trying to set up 2010 to run along with the trusty 
> 2003 on XP sp3. Whenever I move from one version to the other,  I get 
> the Microsoft interruption and message that M$oft is reinstalling. It 
> seems a very frustrating issue that would have been solved 
> (officially) or a proper work around found and used.
>
> I have searched a lot and have not found a definitive solution. I have 
> seen people who have gone to Virtual PC to separate their different 
> versions of Office and Access.
>
> Has anyone solved this? If you're running multiple versions of Acces 
> on same PC, do you really put up with the reinstalling/reconfig stuff?
>
> Feedback please.........
> Jack
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From steve at datamanagementsolutions.biz  Thu Nov  1 23:22:01 2012
From: steve at datamanagementsolutions.biz (Steve Schapel)
Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2012 17:22:01 +1300
Subject: [AccessD] Running Access 2003 and 2010 on same PC
In-Reply-To: <CAGuQ9V40MYEEWVdkqUBt1-c6utPU+-SSpk0SEKPc45DKWm2QRg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BLU0-SMTP96F921C5AE441092C4B8AAC4670@phx.gbl><A7B7D7FBF3914955B57A4FF95D41B8BF@stevelaptop>
	<CAGuQ9V40MYEEWVdkqUBt1-c6utPU+-SSpk0SEKPc45DKWm2QRg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <62340734ED16480FAB2C73B0CC9A6219@stevelaptop>

William, I will be very interested to see what you have done!

Regards
Steve

-----Original Message----- 
From: William Benson
Sent: Friday, November 02, 2012 4:19 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Running Access 2003 and 2010 on same PC

It doesnt happen to me. I think i handled it through some added text in the
shortcut on my taskbar that launches them. Ill have a look tomorrow.
On Nov 1, 2012 11:14 PM, "Steve Schapel" <steve at datamanagementsolutions.biz>
wrote:

> Hi Jack
>
> Re: "If you're running multiple versions of Acces on same PC, do you
> really put up with the reinstalling/reconfig stuff?"
>
> Yes, I do.
>
> Regards
> Steve
>
> -----Original Message----- From: Jack and Pat
> Sent: Friday, November 02, 2012 4:09 PM
> To: AccessD Group Discussion
> Subject: [AccessD] Running Access 2003 and 2010 on same PC
>
> Hopefully someone here has resolved multi versions of Access on the same
> machine. I'm trying to set up 2010 to run along with the trusty 2003 on XP
> sp3. Whenever I move from one version to the other,  I get the Microsoft
> interruption and message that M$oft is reinstalling. It seems a very
> frustrating issue that would have been solved (officially) or a proper 
> work
> around found and used.
>
> I have searched a lot and have not found a definitive solution. I have 
> seen
> people who have gone to Virtual PC to separate their different versions of
> Office and Access.
>
> Has anyone solved this? If you're running multiple versions of Acces on
> same
> PC, do you really put up with the reinstalling/reconfig stuff?
>
> Feedback please.........
> Jack
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Fri Nov  2 00:51:27 2012
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2012 15:51:27 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Regarding multi-value field, from a reader
In-Reply-To: <50933230.1090201@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <5F069B6242214653A40D9DC1BA410F9D@SusanHarkins>,
	<CDD9CFE280DB4958A9E41055ABF9A73F@XPS>,
	<50933230.1090201@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <50935F5F.10647.71EF11E1@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

And how long do you think that will be in the developing economies (China, India etc) and the 
lesser developed countries?

It will be many, many years before my clients are in a position to use high bandwidth, cloud 
based SAAS etc.

-- 
Stuart

On 1 Nov 2012 at 22:38, jwcolby wrote:

> And the day that it is fiber to every door, and the cloud is uninterruptable... then we can talk 
> such stuff.  Until then it is pure nonsense.  Unless of course having your business completely down 
> because the data center in NYC is underwater is acceptable.
> 
> None of my clients need the power of the cloud, nor is the cloud reliable enough yet.  I have no 
> doubt that it will be some day soon (10 years), at which time it will make a lot of sense.
> 
> Today I think not.
> 
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
> 
> Reality is what refuses to go away
> when you do not believe in it
> 
> On 11/1/2012 4:52 PM, Jim Dettman wrote:
> >
> >   I should clarify one point; when I said "Traditional desktop development
> > with Access is
> > out.", I should have said " on it's way out"
> >
> >    With 2013, you still can develop desktop apps.  But no new features have
> > been added to support that and nothing new (from my viewpoint) has been
> > added for quite some time (see my reply to Tina).
> >
> >    What I see from Microsoft is that everything (not just with Access) is all
> > about the cloud and Office 365 and if your not heading in that direction,
> > your heading in the wrong one.
> >
> > Jim.
> 
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Fri Nov  2 00:52:50 2012
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2012 15:52:50 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] [SPAM] Re:  Regarding multi-value field, from a reader
In-Reply-To: <509332C3.6000109@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <5F069B6242214653A40D9DC1BA410F9D@SusanHarkins>,
	<CAGuQ9V70vRViJaA7+AcP5cskrhLom8r3e9jzEVCphxirB_m7aw@mail.gmail.com>,
	<509332C3.6000109@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <50935FB2.11022.71F05650@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

I did say BEs  - although there are a number of 97 FEs as well that are still working fine.

-- 
Stuart

On 1 Nov 2012 at 22:41, jwcolby wrote:

>  >I can't think of a single thing I am using today that I used in 97.
> 
> uuhhh???
> 
> tables, fields, queries, reports, forms?
> 
> Sure the code (vba) is much better in 2003 but 97 worked.
> 
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
> 
> Reality is what refuses to go away
> when you do not believe in it
> 
> On 11/1/2012 6:02 PM, William Benson wrote:
> > Why haven't they upgraded? I can't think of a single thing I am using today
> > that I used in 97.
> >
> > On Thu, Nov 1, 2012 at 5:32 PM, Stuart McLachlan <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg>wrote:
> >
> >> One biggie for me is dropping support for Jet 3.  "This change affects
> >> databases that are
> >> linked to Access 97 databases."
> >>
> >> I've got clients with lots of A97 backends.
> >>
> >> --
> >> Stuart
> >>
> >> On 1 Nov 2012 at 15:06, Jim Dettman wrote:
> >>
> >>>
> >>   >  If you haven't figured it out, we (developers) are not going to be in
> >> the
> >>> picture much longer.
> >>>
> >>>   Microsoft just released details on Office and Access 2013:
> >>>
> >>> http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/jj162978(v=office.15).aspx
> >>>
> >>> Couple of quotes:
> >>>
> >>> "A new interactive view designer makes it easy for users who have little
> >> or
> >>> no programming experience to build apps. "
> >>> "A new application model enables subject matter experts to quickly create
> >>> and share applications that can be used to run their business. "
> >>>
> >>>    They are focused on the end user and nothing but and everything is
> >> about
> >>> the cloud and Office 365.  Traditional desktop development with Access is
> >>> out.
> >>>
> >>> Here's a list of what got pulled out:
> >>>
> >>>
> >> http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc178954%28v=office.15%29.aspx;
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Two biggies from that:
> >>>
> >>> 1. Access 2003 toolbars and command bars are no longer supported.  You
> >>> *must* use the ribbon.
> >>> 2. ADP's are gone.
> >>>
> >>> And there's a bunch of other stuff, like Pivot Charts.
> >>>
> >>> Jim.
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> >>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina Norris
> >>> Fields
> >>> Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2012 02:52 PM
> >>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> >>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Regarding multi-value field, from a reader
> >>>
> >>> Well, for what it's worth, I agree with everybody who said don't use
> >>> multi-value fields!  Geez, we go to lots of trouble to normalize our
> >>> data and then Access arrives with new specialties that at least look
> >>> like the destruction of normalization!  Dang!
> >>> T
> >>>
> >>> Tina Norris Fields
> >>> tinanfields at torchlake.com
> >>> 231-322-2787
> >>>
> >>> On 10/31/2012 7:08 PM, Susan Harkins wrote:
> >>>> Received the following from a reader:
> >>>>
> >>>> "I set up a multivalued field in Access 2010 using a List Box and
> >>>> providing a Value List with values M,T,W,R,F. Everything works fine
> >>>> but for one problem. When I chose M, W, F from my list, th
> >>>> emultivalued filed reads F, M, W ... i.e., the entries are sorted left
> >>>> to right whereas I want them to show up as M, W, F. Is there a way to
> >>>> do this?"
> >>>>
> >>>> =====Other than learning the basics so I could write about them, I
> >>>> don't use them and have almost no experience. Anyone have a quick and
> >>>> easy answer? I'm going to do a little research, but if anybody knows,
> >>>> please share!
> >>>>
> >>>> Thanks!
> >>>> Susan H.
> >>>
> >>> --
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> >>>
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> >>>
> >>
> >>
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> >
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Fri Nov  2 00:57:10 2012
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2012 15:57:10 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] [SPAM] Re: Regarding multi-value field, from a reader
In-Reply-To: <CAGuQ9V55aCtAWvij6oeQtaw8E4_iMWHOBdkJfaNrRHuq1xbETw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <5F069B6242214653A40D9DC1BA410F9D@SusanHarkins>,
	<509332C3.6000109@colbyconsulting.com>,
	<CAGuQ9V55aCtAWvij6oeQtaw8E4_iMWHOBdkJfaNrRHuq1xbETw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <509360B6.6068.71F44D3C@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

To answer the question, why haven't they upgraded:
 
I can't think of a single thing that those apps are doing perfectly well  today that needs the 
additional capabilities of later versions.

-- 
Stuart

On 1 Nov 2012 at 23:08, William Benson wrote:

> I was referring to software releases not objects and functions John.
> On Nov 1, 2012 10:42 PM, "jwcolby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
> 
> > >I can't think of a single thing I am using today that I used in 97.
> >
> > uuhhh???
> >
> > tables, fields, queries, reports, forms?
> >
> > Sure the code (vba) is much better in 2003 but 97 worked.
> >
> > John W. Colby
> > Colby Consulting
> >
> > Reality is what refuses to go away
> > when you do not believe in it
> >
> > On 11/1/2012 6:02 PM, William Benson wrote:
> >
> >> Why haven't they upgraded? I can't think of a single thing I am using
> >> today
> >> that I used in 97.
> >>
> >> On Thu, Nov 1, 2012 at 5:32 PM, Stuart McLachlan <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg
> >> >wrote:
> >>
> >>  One biggie for me is dropping support for Jet 3.  "This change affects
> >>> databases that are
> >>> linked to Access 97 databases."
> >>>
> >>> I've got clients with lots of A97 backends.
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> Stuart
> >>>
> >>> On 1 Nov 2012 at 15:06, Jim Dettman wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>    >  If you haven't figured it out, we (developers) are not going to
> >>> be in
> >>> the
> >>>
> >>>> picture much longer.
> >>>>
> >>>>   Microsoft just released details on Office and Access 2013:
> >>>>
> >>>> http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-**us/library/jj162978(v=office.**15).aspx<http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/jj162978(v=office.15).aspx>
> >>>>
> >>>> Couple of quotes:
> >>>>
> >>>> "A new interactive view designer makes it easy for users who have little
> >>>>
> >>> or
> >>>
> >>>> no programming experience to build apps. "
> >>>> "A new application model enables subject matter experts to quickly
> >>>> create
> >>>> and share applications that can be used to run their business. "
> >>>>
> >>>>    They are focused on the end user and nothing but and everything is
> >>>>
> >>> about
> >>>
> >>>> the cloud and Office 365.  Traditional desktop development with Access
> >>>> is
> >>>> out.
> >>>>
> >>>> Here's a list of what got pulled out:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>  http://technet.microsoft.com/**en-us/library/cc178954%28v=**
> >>> office.15%29.aspx<http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc178954%28v=office.15%29.aspx>
> >>> ;
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Two biggies from that:
> >>>>
> >>>> 1. Access 2003 toolbars and command bars are no longer supported.  You
> >>>> *must* use the ribbon.
> >>>> 2. ADP's are gone.
> >>>>
> >>>> And there's a bunch of other stuff, like Pivot Charts.
> >>>>
> >>>> Jim.
> >>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>> From: accessd-bounces@**databaseadvisors.com<accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com>
> >>>> [mailto:accessd-bounces@**databaseadvisors.com<accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com>]
> >>>> On Behalf Of Tina Norris
> >>>> Fields
> >>>> Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2012 02:52 PM
> >>>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> >>>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Regarding multi-value field, from a reader
> >>>>
> >>>> Well, for what it's worth, I agree with everybody who said don't use
> >>>> multi-value fields!  Geez, we go to lots of trouble to normalize our
> >>>> data and then Access arrives with new specialties that at least look
> >>>> like the destruction of normalization!  Dang!
> >>>> T
> >>>>
> >>>> Tina Norris Fields
> >>>> tinanfields at torchlake.com
> >>>> 231-322-2787
> >>>>
> >>>> On 10/31/2012 7:08 PM, Susan Harkins wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Received the following from a reader:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> "I set up a multivalued field in Access 2010 using a List Box and
> >>>>> providing a Value List with values M,T,W,R,F. Everything works fine
> >>>>> but for one problem. When I chose M, W, F from my list, th
> >>>>> emultivalued filed reads F, M, W ... i.e., the entries are sorted left
> >>>>> to right whereas I want them to show up as M, W, F. Is there a way to
> >>>>> do this?"
> >>>>>
> >>>>> =====Other than learning the basics so I could write about them, I
> >>>>> don't use them and have almost no experience. Anyone have a quick and
> >>>>> easy answer? I'm going to do a little research, but if anybody knows,
> >>>>> please share!
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Thanks!
> >>>>> Susan H.
> >>>>>
> >>>>
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Fri Nov  2 01:01:11 2012
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2012 23:01:11 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Regarding multi-value field, from a reader
In-Reply-To: <50933230.1090201@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <5F069B6242214653A40D9DC1BA410F9D@SusanHarkins><5092C4B7.1050404@torchlake.com><E5C7F868C7C845B3A97D95C83D4821FA@XPS><E878508C229C417696309FDE902E9AC1@creativesystemdesigns.com><CDD9CFE280DB4958A9E41055ABF9A73F@XPS>
	<50933230.1090201@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <0E3F03C6F93A4E7B873897A0C7E3AC47@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Most banks run their systems through a Citrix station and no longer support
in-house servers. Of course their remote servers have built in fail-over
which just automatically re-directs a client to another remote synced server
in the event of a failure.

They have a number of ISP broadband pipes out of each bank so internet
performance is never an issue. Eventually, they will be moving all their
resources into the Cloud as well then they will not even need a Citrix
station or even a router, just a smart switch with encryption/de-encryption
capabilities.
 
Jim 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2012 7:39 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Regarding multi-value field, from a reader

And the day that it is fiber to every door, and the cloud is
uninterruptable... then we can talk 
such stuff.  Until then it is pure nonsense.  Unless of course having your
business completely down 
because the data center in NYC is underwater is acceptable.

None of my clients need the power of the cloud, nor is the cloud reliable
enough yet.  I have no 
doubt that it will be some day soon (10 years), at which time it will make a
lot of sense.

Today I think not.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 11/1/2012 4:52 PM, Jim Dettman wrote:
>
>   I should clarify one point; when I said "Traditional desktop development
> with Access is
> out.", I should have said " on it's way out"
>
>    With 2013, you still can develop desktop apps.  But no new features
have
> been added to support that and nothing new (from my viewpoint) has been
> added for quite some time (see my reply to Tina).
>
>    What I see from Microsoft is that everything (not just with Access) is
all
> about the cloud and Office 365 and if your not heading in that direction,
> your heading in the wrong one.
>
> Jim.

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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Fri Nov  2 01:13:34 2012
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2012 16:13:34 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Regarding multi-value field, from a reader
In-Reply-To: <0E3F03C6F93A4E7B873897A0C7E3AC47@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <5F069B6242214653A40D9DC1BA410F9D@SusanHarkins>,
	<50933230.1090201@colbyconsulting.com>,
	<0E3F03C6F93A4E7B873897A0C7E3AC47@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <5093648E.5177.72034E74@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

Most banks?

Or most north american banks?

-- 
Stuart

On 1 Nov 2012 at 23:01, Jim Lawrence wrote:

> Most banks run their systems through a Citrix station and no longer support
> in-house servers. Of course their remote servers have built in fail-over
> which just automatically re-directs a client to another remote synced server
> in the event of a failure.
> 
> They have a number of ISP broadband pipes out of each bank so internet
> performance is never an issue. Eventually, they will be moving all their
> resources into the Cloud as well then they will not even need a Citrix
> station or even a router, just a smart switch with encryption/de-encryption
> capabilities.
>  
> Jim 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
> Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2012 7:39 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Regarding multi-value field, from a reader
> 
> And the day that it is fiber to every door, and the cloud is
> uninterruptable... then we can talk 
> such stuff.  Until then it is pure nonsense.  Unless of course having your
> business completely down 
> because the data center in NYC is underwater is acceptable.
> 
> None of my clients need the power of the cloud, nor is the cloud reliable
> enough yet.  I have no 
> doubt that it will be some day soon (10 years), at which time it will make a
> lot of sense.
> 
> Today I think not.
> 
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
> 
> Reality is what refuses to go away
> when you do not believe in it
> 
> On 11/1/2012 4:52 PM, Jim Dettman wrote:
> >
> >   I should clarify one point; when I said "Traditional desktop development
> > with Access is
> > out.", I should have said " on it's way out"
> >
> >    With 2013, you still can develop desktop apps.  But no new features
> have
> > been added to support that and nothing new (from my viewpoint) has been
> > added for quite some time (see my reply to Tina).
> >
> >    What I see from Microsoft is that everything (not just with Access) is
> all
> > about the cloud and Office 365 and if your not heading in that direction,
> > your heading in the wrong one.
> >
> > Jim.
> 
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Fri Nov  2 01:34:58 2012
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2012 23:34:58 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Regarding multi-value field, from a reader
In-Reply-To: <50935F5F.10647.71EF11E1@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <5F069B6242214653A40D9DC1BA410F9D@SusanHarkins>,
	<CDD9CFE280DB4958A9E41055ABF9A73F@XPS>,
	<50933230.1090201@colbyconsulting.com>
	<50935F5F.10647.71EF11E1@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <C7FA564E38A34157A99AC458F53401D2@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Well, you shouldn't hold your breathe but OTOH the whole region is being
covered with fiber-optic cabling. India is flat out in trying to beat China
and China claims they will be totally cabled in three years.

http://thenextweb.com/asia/2011/03/04/entire-china-on-fiber-optics-in-3-year
s

So you shouldn't get too complacent.

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2012 10:51 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Regarding multi-value field, from a reader

And how long do you think that will be in the developing economies (China,
India etc) and the 
lesser developed countries?

It will be many, many years before my clients are in a position to use high
bandwidth, cloud 
based SAAS etc.

-- 
Stuart

On 1 Nov 2012 at 22:38, jwcolby wrote:

> And the day that it is fiber to every door, and the cloud is
uninterruptable... then we can talk 
> such stuff.  Until then it is pure nonsense.  Unless of course having your
business completely down 
> because the data center in NYC is underwater is acceptable.
> 
> None of my clients need the power of the cloud, nor is the cloud reliable
enough yet.  I have no 
> doubt that it will be some day soon (10 years), at which time it will make
a lot of sense.
> 
> Today I think not.
> 
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
> 
> Reality is what refuses to go away
> when you do not believe in it
> 
> On 11/1/2012 4:52 PM, Jim Dettman wrote:
> >
> >   I should clarify one point; when I said "Traditional desktop
development
> > with Access is
> > out.", I should have said " on it's way out"
> >
> >    With 2013, you still can develop desktop apps.  But no new features
have
> > been added to support that and nothing new (from my viewpoint) has been
> > added for quite some time (see my reply to Tina).
> >
> >    What I see from Microsoft is that everything (not just with Access)
is all
> > about the cloud and Office 365 and if your not heading in that
direction,
> > your heading in the wrong one.
> >
> > Jim.
> 
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Fri Nov  2 01:46:44 2012
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2012 23:46:44 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Regarding multi-value field, from a reader
In-Reply-To: <5093648E.5177.72034E74@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <5F069B6242214653A40D9DC1BA410F9D@SusanHarkins>,
	<50933230.1090201@colbyconsulting.com>,
	<0E3F03C6F93A4E7B873897A0C7E3AC47@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<5093648E.5177.72034E74@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <EA43E464010842AFA770B26CD6766154@creativesystemdesigns.com>

North American banks for sure but we will soon be able to say South American
as well and of course Europe, most of Russia and some of the modern Arab
states and don't forget Australia, New Zealand, Thailand, Singapore, Japan,
Korea and I would suspect China is well on the way. (Probably, every major
financial center in the world)

I guess that leaves most of Africa, most of India, some of the middle east
and PNG? ;-)

Jim    

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2012 11:14 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Regarding multi-value field, from a reader

Most banks?

Or most north american banks?

-- 
Stuart

On 1 Nov 2012 at 23:01, Jim Lawrence wrote:

> Most banks run their systems through a Citrix station and no longer
support
> in-house servers. Of course their remote servers have built in fail-over
> which just automatically re-directs a client to another remote synced
server
> in the event of a failure.
> 
> They have a number of ISP broadband pipes out of each bank so internet
> performance is never an issue. Eventually, they will be moving all their
> resources into the Cloud as well then they will not even need a Citrix
> station or even a router, just a smart switch with
encryption/de-encryption
> capabilities.
>  
> Jim 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
> Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2012 7:39 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Regarding multi-value field, from a reader
> 
> And the day that it is fiber to every door, and the cloud is
> uninterruptable... then we can talk 
> such stuff.  Until then it is pure nonsense.  Unless of course having your
> business completely down 
> because the data center in NYC is underwater is acceptable.
> 
> None of my clients need the power of the cloud, nor is the cloud reliable
> enough yet.  I have no 
> doubt that it will be some day soon (10 years), at which time it will make
a
> lot of sense.
> 
> Today I think not.
> 
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
> 
> Reality is what refuses to go away
> when you do not believe in it
> 
> On 11/1/2012 4:52 PM, Jim Dettman wrote:
> >
> >   I should clarify one point; when I said "Traditional desktop
development
> > with Access is
> > out.", I should have said " on it's way out"
> >
> >    With 2013, you still can develop desktop apps.  But no new features
> have
> > been added to support that and nothing new (from my viewpoint) has been
> > added for quite some time (see my reply to Tina).
> >
> >    What I see from Microsoft is that everything (not just with Access)
is
> all
> > about the cloud and Office 365 and if your not heading in that
direction,
> > your heading in the wrong one.
> >
> > Jim.
> 
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Nov  2 02:52:39 2012
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2012 03:52:39 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Regarding multi-value field, from a reader
In-Reply-To: <5093648E.5177.72034E74@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <5F069B6242214653A40D9DC1BA410F9D@SusanHarkins>,
	<50933230.1090201@colbyconsulting.com>,
	<0E3F03C6F93A4E7B873897A0C7E3AC47@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<5093648E.5177.72034E74@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <50937BC7.7080906@colbyconsulting.com>

Or most large "too big to fail" banks?  I doubt seriously that the average little neighborhood bank 
does so.  In any event, Disability insurance Specialist has 50 employees and just made the switch 
from phone to cable internet connection, lives in an industrial park office building and has nothing 
in common with "most banks".

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 11/2/2012 2:13 AM, Stuart McLachlan wrote:
> Most banks?
>
> Or most north american banks?
>


From jimdettman at verizon.net  Fri Nov  2 07:30:43 2012
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2012 08:30:43 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Regarding multi-value field, from a reader
In-Reply-To: <5092F384.9522.7049C252@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <5F069B6242214653A40D9DC1BA410F9D@SusanHarkins>,
	<5092EA65.9022.70261E37@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>,
	<CAGuQ9V70vRViJaA7+AcP5cskrhLom8r3e9jzEVCphxirB_m7aw@mail.gmail.com>
	<5092F384.9522.7049C252@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <6F7AFD8990B6420CA91AA21EA03F76ED@XPS>

Stuart,

  And that's the point Microsoft doesn't get (or at least they don't want
to).

  Clients don't always want the latest and greatest.

  More often then not, what they want is something that works day in and day
out.

Jim.


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2012 06:11 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Regarding multi-value field, from a reader

Because they don't need to.  It all works fine the way it is.

-- 
Stuart

On 1 Nov 2012 at 18:02, William Benson wrote:

> Why haven't they upgraded? I can't think of a single thing I am using
today
> that I used in 97.
> 
> On Thu, Nov 1, 2012 at 5:32 PM, Stuart McLachlan
<stuart at lexacorp.com.pg>wrote:
> 
> > One biggie for me is dropping support for Jet 3.  "This change affects
> > databases that are
> > linked to Access 97 databases."
> >
> > I've got clients with lots of A97 backends.
> >
> > --
> > Stuart
> >
> > On 1 Nov 2012 at 15:06, Jim Dettman wrote:
> >
> > >
> >  >  If you haven't figured it out, we (developers) are not going to be
in
> > the
> > > picture much longer.
> > >
> > >  Microsoft just released details on Office and Access 2013:
> > >
> > > http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/jj162978(v=office.15).aspx
> > >
> > > Couple of quotes:
> > >
> > > "A new interactive view designer makes it easy for users who have
little
> > or
> > > no programming experience to build apps. "
> > > "A new application model enables subject matter experts to quickly
create
> > > and share applications that can be used to run their business. "
> > >
> > >   They are focused on the end user and nothing but and everything is
> > about
> > > the cloud and Office 365.  Traditional desktop development with Access
is
> > > out.
> > >
> > > Here's a list of what got pulled out:
> > >
> > >
> >
http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc178954%28v=office.15%29.aspx;
> > >
> > >
> > > Two biggies from that:
> > >
> > > 1. Access 2003 toolbars and command bars are no longer supported.  You
> > > *must* use the ribbon.
> > > 2. ADP's are gone.
> > >
> > > And there's a bunch of other stuff, like Pivot Charts.
> > >
> > > Jim.
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina Norris
> > > Fields
> > > Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2012 02:52 PM
> > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Regarding multi-value field, from a reader
> > >
> > > Well, for what it's worth, I agree with everybody who said don't use
> > > multi-value fields!  Geez, we go to lots of trouble to normalize our
> > > data and then Access arrives with new specialties that at least look
> > > like the destruction of normalization!  Dang!
> > > T
> > >
> > > Tina Norris Fields
> > > tinanfields at torchlake.com
> > > 231-322-2787
> > >
> > > On 10/31/2012 7:08 PM, Susan Harkins wrote:
> > > > Received the following from a reader:
> > > >
> > > > "I set up a multivalued field in Access 2010 using a List Box and
> > > > providing a Value List with values M,T,W,R,F. Everything works fine
> > > > but for one problem. When I chose M, W, F from my list, th
> > > > emultivalued filed reads F, M, W ... i.e., the entries are sorted
left
> > > > to right whereas I want them to show up as M, W, F. Is there a way
to
> > > > do this?"
> > > >
> > > > =====Other than learning the basics so I could write about them, I
> > > > don't use them and have almost no experience. Anyone have a quick
and
> > > > easy answer? I'm going to do a little research, but if anybody
knows,
> > > > please share!
> > > >
> > > > Thanks!
> > > > Susan H.
> > >
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> >
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> >
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
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> **
> **
> *Bill Benson*
> *VBACreations*
> **
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From jimdettman at verizon.net  Fri Nov  2 07:34:46 2012
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2012 08:34:46 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Running Access 2003 and 2010 on same PC
In-Reply-To: <BLU0-SMTP96F921C5AE441092C4B8AAC4670@phx.gbl>
References: <BLU0-SMTP96F921C5AE441092C4B8AAC4670@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <B28572E4990147EDAE80EB6B882704DF@XPS>

Jack,

 There is no solution because that's the way it works by design.

 It's either put up with it or use Virtual Machines.

Jim.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jack and Pat
Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2012 11:09 PM
To: AccessD Group Discussion
Subject: [AccessD] Running Access 2003 and 2010 on same PC

Hopefully someone here has resolved multi versions of Access on the same
machine. I'm trying to set up 2010 to run along with the trusty 2003 on XP
sp3. Whenever I move from one version to the other,  I get the Microsoft
interruption and message that M$oft is reinstalling. It seems a very
frustrating issue that would have been solved (officially) or a proper work
around found and used. 
 
I have searched a lot and have not found a definitive solution. I have seen
people who have gone to Virtual PC to separate their different versions of
Office and Access.
 
Has anyone solved this? If you're running multiple versions of Acces on same
PC, do you really put up with the reinstalling/reconfig stuff?
 
Feedback please.........
Jack
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From jackandpat.d at gmail.com  Fri Nov  2 07:47:31 2012
From: jackandpat.d at gmail.com (jack drawbridge)
Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2012 08:47:31 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Running Access 2003 and 2010 on same PC
In-Reply-To: <B28572E4990147EDAE80EB6B882704DF@XPS>
References: <BLU0-SMTP96F921C5AE441092C4B8AAC4670@phx.gbl>
	<B28572E4990147EDAE80EB6B882704DF@XPS>
Message-ID: <CAKvidAvQZ=a=eQ9sD0GY=RWcH=jmKspr3eZvU6a2En2Dx0v9iQ@mail.gmail.com>

Jim,
You may very well be right. I just started with the 2010 stuff yesterday
and I found it extremely frustrating. Also, it seems it doesn't happen to
William. So if William has a solution, I think many of us (at least Steve
and I) would like to see what he has.

That's the issue with the stuff I have found on various forums including
Microsoft Technet and Community-- some say it (Reinstall message and
process) never happens to them; others say Virtual machines is the only
answer;  and some say it's by design.

jack

On Fri, Nov 2, 2012 at 8:34 AM, Jim Dettman <jimdettman at verizon.net> wrote:

> Jack,
>
>  There is no solution because that's the way it works by design.
>
>  It's either put up with it or use Virtual Machines.
>
> Jim.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jack and Pat
> Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2012 11:09 PM
> To: AccessD Group Discussion
> Subject: [AccessD] Running Access 2003 and 2010 on same PC
>
> Hopefully someone here has resolved multi versions of Access on the same
> machine. I'm trying to set up 2010 to run along with the trusty 2003 on XP
> sp3. Whenever I move from one version to the other,  I get the Microsoft
> interruption and message that M$oft is reinstalling. It seems a very
> frustrating issue that would have been solved (officially) or a proper work
> around found and used.
>
> I have searched a lot and have not found a definitive solution. I have seen
> people who have gone to Virtual PC to separate their different versions of
> Office and Access.
>
> Has anyone solved this? If you're running multiple versions of Acces on
> same
> PC, do you really put up with the reinstalling/reconfig stuff?
>
> Feedback please.........
> Jack
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
> --
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>

From rls at WeBeDb.com  Fri Nov  2 08:13:45 2012
From: rls at WeBeDb.com (Robert Stewart)
Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2012 08:13:45 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Access 97 was : Regarding multi-value field
In-Reply-To: <mailman.893.1351807344.21972.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>
References: <mailman.893.1351807344.21972.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <07DAD2FE-7815-4C05-A3C7-812B9533A397@holly.arvixe.com>

The one I co-authored is still there, but only from other sellers.

At 05:02 PM 11/1/2012, you wrote:
>Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2012 17:57:11 -0400
>From: "Susan Harkins" <ssharkins at gmail.com>
>To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
>         <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Regarding multi-value field, from a reader
>Message-ID: <66EC19C0292D4E8F8657E55A35F68D1B at SusanHarkins>
>Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
>         reply-type=original
>
>You know what? The first book I wrote was for Access 97 -- I ran a search at
>Amazon for it -- not in their current inventory. :(
>
>Susan H.

Robert L. Stewart

Any fool can write code that a computer can understand. Good 
programmers write code that humans can understand. --Martin Fowler

www.WeBeDb.com
www.DBGUIDesign.com
www.RLStewartPhotography.com  

From jimdettman at verizon.net  Fri Nov  2 08:46:31 2012
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2012 09:46:31 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Running Access 2003 and 2010 on same PC
In-Reply-To: <CAKvidAvQZ=a=eQ9sD0GY=RWcH=jmKspr3eZvU6a2En2Dx0v9iQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BLU0-SMTP96F921C5AE441092C4B8AAC4670@phx.gbl>
	<B28572E4990147EDAE80EB6B882704DF@XPS>
	<CAKvidAvQZ=a=eQ9sD0GY=RWcH=jmKspr3eZvU6a2En2Dx0v9iQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <98C4272F5762442B82AD725453653F40@XPS>

Jack,

 Actually, I should have not said "there is no solution", because Sage found
one with their install scripts.

 As part of that, they figured out a way to isolate Access installs so you
do not get the installation/configuring messages when executing a runtime
that is a different version.  However outside of that, I've never seen
anyone post a solid method for avoiding it other then using a virtual
machine.

 By default, Office from 2003 on "self-repairs" whenever a copy of anything
starts up. This seems to be nothing more then registering the current rev's
components in the registry for use as the default.

 I've never really been able to figure out why it seems worse for Access
more then other Office apps (takes a long time), but it does seem related to
the features you use in each of the products.  But I see the same behavior
in all of them (Word, Excel, etc).

 So that's the part of "by design"; it's the way Microsoft intended this to
work.

 I'd be all ears for a work a round as well, but since this problem has
existed since 2003, I'm not expecting one.

Jim.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jack drawbridge
Sent: Friday, November 02, 2012 08:48 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Running Access 2003 and 2010 on same PC

Jim,
You may very well be right. I just started with the 2010 stuff yesterday
and I found it extremely frustrating. Also, it seems it doesn't happen to
William. So if William has a solution, I think many of us (at least Steve
and I) would like to see what he has.

That's the issue with the stuff I have found on various forums including
Microsoft Technet and Community-- some say it (Reinstall message and
process) never happens to them; others say Virtual machines is the only
answer;  and some say it's by design.

jack

On Fri, Nov 2, 2012 at 8:34 AM, Jim Dettman <jimdettman at verizon.net> wrote:

> Jack,
>
>  There is no solution because that's the way it works by design.
>
>  It's either put up with it or use Virtual Machines.
>
> Jim.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jack and Pat
> Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2012 11:09 PM
> To: AccessD Group Discussion
> Subject: [AccessD] Running Access 2003 and 2010 on same PC
>
> Hopefully someone here has resolved multi versions of Access on the same
> machine. I'm trying to set up 2010 to run along with the trusty 2003 on XP
> sp3. Whenever I move from one version to the other,  I get the Microsoft
> interruption and message that M$oft is reinstalling. It seems a very
> frustrating issue that would have been solved (officially) or a proper
work
> around found and used.
>
> I have searched a lot and have not found a definitive solution. I have
seen
> people who have gone to Virtual PC to separate their different versions of
> Office and Access.
>
> Has anyone solved this? If you're running multiple versions of Acces on
> same
> PC, do you really put up with the reinstalling/reconfig stuff?
>
> Feedback please.........
> Jack
> --
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From marksimms at verizon.net  Fri Nov  2 08:48:51 2012
From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms)
Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2012 09:48:51 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Running Access 2003 and 2010 on same PC
In-Reply-To: <B28572E4990147EDAE80EB6B882704DF@XPS>
References: <BLU0-SMTP96F921C5AE441092C4B8AAC4670@phx.gbl>
	<B28572E4990147EDAE80EB6B882704DF@XPS>
Message-ID: <004001cdb900$cbb44520$631ccf60$@net>

Or multiple PHYSICAL machines. That's what I have done...I have an Office
2010 box.
Hardware is cheap.
>
>  It's either put up with it or use Virtual Machines.
>



From vbacreations at gmail.com  Fri Nov  2 09:02:40 2012
From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson (VBACreations.Com))
Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2012 10:02:40 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Running Access 2003 and 2010 on same PC
In-Reply-To: <CAKvidAvQZ=a=eQ9sD0GY=RWcH=jmKspr3eZvU6a2En2Dx0v9iQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BLU0-SMTP96F921C5AE441092C4B8AAC4670@phx.gbl>	<B28572E4990147EDAE80EB6B882704DF@XPS>
	<CAKvidAvQZ=a=eQ9sD0GY=RWcH=jmKspr3eZvU6a2En2Dx0v9iQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <007d01cdb902$b9e9c1b0$2dbd4510$@gmail.com>

Sorry, I was wrong, I do get those messages as well. I am not sure why I
thought I got past it.... maybe because I just watch MS do its thing and it
requires no effort from me so I ignore what's going on and wait out the 20
or so seconds it makes me wait.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jack drawbridge
Sent: Friday, November 02, 2012 8:48 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Running Access 2003 and 2010 on same PC

Jim,
You may very well be right. I just started with the 2010 stuff yesterday and
I found it extremely frustrating. Also, it seems it doesn't happen to
William. So if William has a solution, I think many of us (at least Steve
and I) would like to see what he has.

That's the issue with the stuff I have found on various forums including
Microsoft Technet and Community-- some say it (Reinstall message and
process) never happens to them; others say Virtual machines is the only
answer;  and some say it's by design.

jack

On Fri, Nov 2, 2012 at 8:34 AM, Jim Dettman <jimdettman at verizon.net> wrote:

> Jack,
>
>  There is no solution because that's the way it works by design.
>
>  It's either put up with it or use Virtual Machines.
>
> Jim.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jack and 
> Pat
> Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2012 11:09 PM
> To: AccessD Group Discussion
> Subject: [AccessD] Running Access 2003 and 2010 on same PC
>
> Hopefully someone here has resolved multi versions of Access on the 
> same machine. I'm trying to set up 2010 to run along with the trusty 
> 2003 on XP sp3. Whenever I move from one version to the other,  I get 
> the Microsoft interruption and message that M$oft is reinstalling. It 
> seems a very frustrating issue that would have been solved 
> (officially) or a proper work around found and used.
>
> I have searched a lot and have not found a definitive solution. I have 
> seen people who have gone to Virtual PC to separate their different 
> versions of Office and Access.
>
> Has anyone solved this? If you're running multiple versions of Acces 
> on same PC, do you really put up with the reinstalling/reconfig stuff?
>
> Feedback please.........
> Jack
> --
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>
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From jackandpat.d at gmail.com  Fri Nov  2 09:25:10 2012
From: jackandpat.d at gmail.com (jack drawbridge)
Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2012 10:25:10 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Running Access 2003 and 2010 on same PC
In-Reply-To: <007d01cdb902$b9e9c1b0$2dbd4510$@gmail.com>
References: <BLU0-SMTP96F921C5AE441092C4B8AAC4670@phx.gbl>
	<B28572E4990147EDAE80EB6B882704DF@XPS>
	<CAKvidAvQZ=a=eQ9sD0GY=RWcH=jmKspr3eZvU6a2En2Dx0v9iQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<007d01cdb902$b9e9c1b0$2dbd4510$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAKvidAsoKRzfPcL2ViLtmp9TRguT1GWMc4nfCoJQ9ydrpKyCPw@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks for getting back William. We were hoping you had the "fix".
I wish I knew more about the registry or even file associations, since it
seems that may be where and why the issue arises.
 I have a 1 gb older machine running XP, so perhaps some new hardware
either for
A) a more meaningful Virtual machine to separate the Access versions, or
B) as Mark suggested, to physically separate them. (Dell, HP  and Lenovo
must love this approach)

I can just see some people having to put 2003, 2007, 2010 and 2013 on
different physical machines.

If anyone has more info -- We're all ears.

Thanks.

PS I think I'll go back and read John C's iStory to put this all into
perspective.

On Fri, Nov 2, 2012 at 10:02 AM, William Benson (VBACreations.Com) <
vbacreations at gmail.com> wrote:

> Sorry, I was wrong, I do get those messages as well. I am not sure why I
> thought I got past it.... maybe because I just watch MS do its thing and it
> requires no effort from me so I ignore what's going on and wait out the 20
> or so seconds it makes me wait.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jack drawbridge
> Sent: Friday, November 02, 2012 8:48 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Running Access 2003 and 2010 on same PC
>
> Jim,
> You may very well be right. I just started with the 2010 stuff yesterday
> and
> I found it extremely frustrating. Also, it seems it doesn't happen to
> William. So if William has a solution, I think many of us (at least Steve
> and I) would like to see what he has.
>
> That's the issue with the stuff I have found on various forums including
> Microsoft Technet and Community-- some say it (Reinstall message and
> process) never happens to them; others say Virtual machines is the only
> answer;  and some say it's by design.
>
> jack
>
> On Fri, Nov 2, 2012 at 8:34 AM, Jim Dettman <jimdettman at verizon.net>
> wrote:
>
> > Jack,
> >
> >  There is no solution because that's the way it works by design.
> >
> >  It's either put up with it or use Virtual Machines.
> >
> > Jim.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jack and
> > Pat
> > Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2012 11:09 PM
> > To: AccessD Group Discussion
> > Subject: [AccessD] Running Access 2003 and 2010 on same PC
> >
> > Hopefully someone here has resolved multi versions of Access on the
> > same machine. I'm trying to set up 2010 to run along with the trusty
> > 2003 on XP sp3. Whenever I move from one version to the other,  I get
> > the Microsoft interruption and message that M$oft is reinstalling. It
> > seems a very frustrating issue that would have been solved
> > (officially) or a proper work around found and used.
> >
> > I have searched a lot and have not found a definitive solution. I have
> > seen people who have gone to Virtual PC to separate their different
> > versions of Office and Access.
> >
> > Has anyone solved this? If you're running multiple versions of Acces
> > on same PC, do you really put up with the reinstalling/reconfig stuff?
> >
> > Feedback please.........
> > Jack
> > --
> > AccessD mailing list
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> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
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From marksimms at verizon.net  Fri Nov  2 09:52:01 2012
From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms)
Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2012 10:52:01 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] The downside of Cloud Computing
In-Reply-To: <004001cdb900$cbb44520$631ccf60$@net>
References: <BLU0-SMTP96F921C5AE441092C4B8AAC4670@phx.gbl>
	<B28572E4990147EDAE80EB6B882704DF@XPS>
	<004001cdb900$cbb44520$631ccf60$@net>
Message-ID: <006601cdb909$9f726150$de5723f0$@net>

I'm contracted at a profitable small business in Delaware.
The company I contracted thru developed a really slick web app that bridges
communications of inventory between the company's remote warehouse and their
administrative office.
They have become completely dependent upon it.

This past week, they were totally operating blind because their Comcast
business network was adversely affected by the Sandy storm. Because Comcast
had monopoly control over their area (Verizon FIOS was not servicing that
area due to low population density), they could not get Comcast's attention
to resolve their connectivity issues.

They lost business as a result of this situation....and there was absolutely
nothing that could be done about it.




From dbdoug at gmail.com  Fri Nov  2 11:05:37 2012
From: dbdoug at gmail.com (Doug Steele)
Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2012 09:05:37 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] The downside of Cloud Computing
In-Reply-To: <006601cdb909$9f726150$de5723f0$@net>
References: <BLU0-SMTP96F921C5AE441092C4B8AAC4670@phx.gbl>
	<B28572E4990147EDAE80EB6B882704DF@XPS>
	<004001cdb900$cbb44520$631ccf60$@net>
	<006601cdb909$9f726150$de5723f0$@net>
Message-ID: <CAFa8NkjYKEoiE7b8goVRGtNnYu+TAtrKEa6B3EwcC3Pbke_0mA@mail.gmail.com>

Are they rethinking their system?


On Fri, Nov 2, 2012 at 7:52 AM, Mark Simms <marksimms at verizon.net> wrote:

> I'm contracted at a profitable small business in Delaware.
> The company I contracted thru developed a really slick web app that bridges
> communications of inventory between the company's remote warehouse and
> their
> administrative office.
> They have become completely dependent upon it.
>
> This past week, they were totally operating blind because their Comcast
> business network was adversely affected by the Sandy storm. Because Comcast
> had monopoly control over their area (Verizon FIOS was not servicing that
> area due to low population density), they could not get Comcast's attention
> to resolve their connectivity issues.
>
> They lost business as a result of this situation....and there was
> absolutely
> nothing that could be done about it.
>
>
>
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Nov  2 11:52:51 2012
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2012 12:52:51 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] The downside of Cloud Computing
In-Reply-To: <006601cdb909$9f726150$de5723f0$@net>
References: <BLU0-SMTP96F921C5AE441092C4B8AAC4670@phx.gbl>
	<B28572E4990147EDAE80EB6B882704DF@XPS>
	<004001cdb900$cbb44520$631ccf60$@net>
	<006601cdb909$9f726150$de5723f0$@net>
Message-ID: <5093FA63.3000500@colbyconsulting.com>

There are several issues with "cloud" computing.  The physical communication infrastructure 
(connection to the internet) is one and if the access goes down the access goes down.  If you are 
doing things between two or more physical locations then you are up the crick so to speak.

A lot of small business however just have a single location so DIS (for example) can limp along if 
their internet is down precisely because they host their data internal to their location.  No 
internet required to get at the data.

Another issue is if the data itself is in "the cloud" then there is the issue of the cloud servers 
going down.  Again if you host your own cloud internal to your facilities then you have more control.

There are pluses to operating "in the cloud" including robustness, expandability, third party 
backups.  OTOH we have seen many times in the last year where huge swaths of the internet went down 
because those swatchs were in a clout (data center) which croaked for some reason.  It happened to 
Microsoft's cloud as well as Amazon's cloud.

I think we are truly in the infancy of this paradigm and in a decade it will be really rock solid, 
but it certainly isn't today.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 11/2/2012 10:52 AM, Mark Simms wrote:
> I'm contracted at a profitable small business in Delaware.
> The company I contracted thru developed a really slick web app that bridges
> communications of inventory between the company's remote warehouse and their
> administrative office.
> They have become completely dependent upon it.
>
> This past week, they were totally operating blind because their Comcast
> business network was adversely affected by the Sandy storm. Because Comcast
> had monopoly control over their area (Verizon FIOS was not servicing that
> area due to low population density), they could not get Comcast's attention
> to resolve their connectivity issues.
>
> They lost business as a result of this situation....and there was absolutely
> nothing that could be done about it.
>
>
>


From accessd at shaw.ca  Fri Nov  2 11:59:48 2012
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2012 09:59:48 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] The downside of Cloud Computing
In-Reply-To: <006601cdb909$9f726150$de5723f0$@net>
References: <BLU0-SMTP96F921C5AE441092C4B8AAC4670@phx.gbl><B28572E4990147EDAE80EB6B882704DF@XPS><004001cdb900$cbb44520$631ccf60$@net>
	<006601cdb909$9f726150$de5723f0$@net>
Message-ID: <81E473233054448DA322C19E7A0B8539@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Did the company just have their entire local server system moved up to the
Cloud or was there a network/web component that went with it? If their
business relies on the web, when they loose all communication they are toast
anyways.

A small village up on the coast, a few years back had a huge storm that,
shut down the internet, telephone, cell phone and even washed out the road.
They were isolated for a good two weeks except via helicopter and a few
rescue boats. They had their own power and the locals rigged a system that
bounced short-wave signals off a couple of emergency repeater sites, that
were high in the mountains and unaffected by the storm. Communications was
very slow but they even got limited internet working as well as telephone.

I guess in your company's case, it is time to see the lawyers.

Jim
  
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Simms
Sent: Friday, November 02, 2012 7:52 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] The downside of Cloud Computing

I'm contracted at a profitable small business in Delaware.
The company I contracted thru developed a really slick web app that bridges
communications of inventory between the company's remote warehouse and their
administrative office.
They have become completely dependent upon it.

This past week, they were totally operating blind because their Comcast
business network was adversely affected by the Sandy storm. Because Comcast
had monopoly control over their area (Verizon FIOS was not servicing that
area due to low population density), they could not get Comcast's attention
to resolve their connectivity issues.

They lost business as a result of this situation....and there was absolutely
nothing that could be done about it.



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From accessd at shaw.ca  Fri Nov  2 12:16:51 2012
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2012 10:16:51 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Regarding multi-value field, from a reader
In-Reply-To: <50937BC7.7080906@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <5F069B6242214653A40D9DC1BA410F9D@SusanHarkins>,
	<50933230.1090201@colbyconsulting.com>,
	<0E3F03C6F93A4E7B873897A0C7E3AC47@creativesystemdesigns.com><5093648E.5177.72034E74@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<50937BC7.7080906@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <500F352AC9A24590B6FEE6AFE1C3CD08@creativesystemdesigns.com>

I am not sure what the status is like in your area.

I worked as a subcontractor to a company that services all the local banks
and credit unions and regardless of the size they had all moved or were
moving to a similar system. It has been two years since I have been on the
sites as I theoretically have retired (occasionally I get dragged out) but I
am sure the process has continued and is probably completed. 

Having a few of teams IT guys in Vancouver or Toronto running everything
makes economic sense. The banks save millions on hardware and IT services
and their data can be kept absolutely secure.
 
Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Friday, November 02, 2012 12:53 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Regarding multi-value field, from a reader

Or most large "too big to fail" banks?  I doubt seriously that the average
little neighborhood bank 
does so.  In any event, Disability insurance Specialist has 50 employees and
just made the switch 
from phone to cable internet connection, lives in an industrial park office
building and has nothing 
in common with "most banks".

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 11/2/2012 2:13 AM, Stuart McLachlan wrote:
> Most banks?
>
> Or most north american banks?
>

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From gustav at cactus.dk  Fri Nov  2 12:17:08 2012
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2012 18:17:08 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] The downside of Cloud Computing
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Hi all

More likely a case of Force Majeure - a passus in every insurance policy.

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com  Jim Lawrence
Sendt: 2. november 2012 18:00
Til: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Emne: Re: [AccessD] The downside of Cloud Computing

Did the company just have their entire local server system moved up to the
Cloud or was there a network/web component that went with it? If their
business relies on the web, when they loose all communication they are toast
anyways.

A small village up on the coast, a few years back had a huge storm that,
shut down the internet, telephone, cell phone and even washed out the road.
They were isolated for a good two weeks except via helicopter and a few
rescue boats. They had their own power and the locals rigged a system that
bounced short-wave signals off a couple of emergency repeater sites, that
were high in the mountains and unaffected by the storm. Communications was
very slow but they even got limited internet working as well as telephone.

I guess in your company's case, it is time to see the lawyers.

Jim
  
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Simms
Sent: Friday, November 02, 2012 7:52 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] The downside of Cloud Computing

I'm contracted at a profitable small business in Delaware.
The company I contracted thru developed a really slick web app that bridges
communications of inventory between the company's remote warehouse and their
administrative office.
They have become completely dependent upon it.

This past week, they were totally operating blind because their Comcast
business network was adversely affected by the Sandy storm. Because Comcast
had monopoly control over their area (Verizon FIOS was not servicing that
area due to low population density), they could not get Comcast's attention
to resolve their connectivity issues.

They lost business as a result of this situation....and there was absolutely
nothing that could be done about it.


From dw-murphy at cox.net  Fri Nov  2 12:30:26 2012
From: dw-murphy at cox.net (Doug Murphy)
Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2012 10:30:26 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Running Access 2003 and 2010 on same PC
In-Reply-To: <CAKvidAsoKRzfPcL2ViLtmp9TRguT1GWMc4nfCoJQ9ydrpKyCPw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BLU0-SMTP96F921C5AE441092C4B8AAC4670@phx.gbl>	<B28572E4990147EDAE80EB6B882704DF@XPS>	<CAKvidAvQZ=a=eQ9sD0GY=RWcH=jmKspr3eZvU6a2En2Dx0v9iQ@mail.gmail.com>	<007d01cdb902$b9e9c1b0$2dbd4510$@gmail.com>
	<CAKvidAsoKRzfPcL2ViLtmp9TRguT1GWMc4nfCoJQ9ydrpKyCPw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <007b01cdb91f$bf6626c0$3e327440$@cox.net>

My original response on this thread may have been too brief. My approach to
versioning is to use Virtual Machines. I use VM Ware Workstation which I
depend on daily. Have several different servers set up plus all versions of
Windows back to 98 and office to 97. I use most of this for software testing
but do development on some also depending on client requirements. I started
with VM Ware on my last computer a 7 year old Pentium with 3 G of memory.
Worked fine and would run as host with 2 VMs running. New computer is I7
with 12 G.  I have not used Virtual Box but several folks have reported good
service from it. It is free. I previously had several machines with various
versions of office etc for test and development. Virtual machines have
eliminated this requirement. Also great for client problem testing as I can
duplicate their OS and Office versions.

Sagekey gets around the versioning issue for their runtime installations by
using a little startup exe that sets the registry for the version they are
starting and then resetting to what was there before their application
started.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jack drawbridge
Sent: Friday, November 02, 2012 7:25 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Running Access 2003 and 2010 on same PC

Thanks for getting back William. We were hoping you had the "fix".
I wish I knew more about the registry or even file associations, since it
seems that may be where and why the issue arises.
 I have a 1 gb older machine running XP, so perhaps some new hardware either
for
A) a more meaningful Virtual machine to separate the Access versions, or
B) as Mark suggested, to physically separate them. (Dell, HP  and Lenovo
must love this approach)

I can just see some people having to put 2003, 2007, 2010 and 2013 on
different physical machines.

If anyone has more info -- We're all ears.

Thanks.

PS I think I'll go back and read John C's iStory to put this all into
perspective.

On Fri, Nov 2, 2012 at 10:02 AM, William Benson (VBACreations.Com) <
vbacreations at gmail.com> wrote:

> Sorry, I was wrong, I do get those messages as well. I am not sure why 
> I thought I got past it.... maybe because I just watch MS do its thing 
> and it requires no effort from me so I ignore what's going on and wait 
> out the 20 or so seconds it makes me wait.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jack 
> drawbridge
> Sent: Friday, November 02, 2012 8:48 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Running Access 2003 and 2010 on same PC
>
> Jim,
> You may very well be right. I just started with the 2010 stuff 
> yesterday and I found it extremely frustrating. Also, it seems it 
> doesn't happen to William. So if William has a solution, I think many 
> of us (at least Steve and I) would like to see what he has.
>
> That's the issue with the stuff I have found on various forums 
> including Microsoft Technet and Community-- some say it (Reinstall 
> message and
> process) never happens to them; others say Virtual machines is the 
> only answer;  and some say it's by design.
>
> jack
>
> On Fri, Nov 2, 2012 at 8:34 AM, Jim Dettman <jimdettman at verizon.net>
> wrote:
>
> > Jack,
> >
> >  There is no solution because that's the way it works by design.
> >
> >  It's either put up with it or use Virtual Machines.
> >
> > Jim.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jack and 
> > Pat
> > Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2012 11:09 PM
> > To: AccessD Group Discussion
> > Subject: [AccessD] Running Access 2003 and 2010 on same PC
> >
> > Hopefully someone here has resolved multi versions of Access on the 
> > same machine. I'm trying to set up 2010 to run along with the trusty
> > 2003 on XP sp3. Whenever I move from one version to the other,  I 
> > get the Microsoft interruption and message that M$oft is 
> > reinstalling. It seems a very frustrating issue that would have been 
> > solved
> > (officially) or a proper work around found and used.
> >
> > I have searched a lot and have not found a definitive solution. I 
> > have seen people who have gone to Virtual PC to separate their 
> > different versions of Office and Access.
> >
> > Has anyone solved this? If you're running multiple versions of Acces 
> > on same PC, do you really put up with the reinstalling/reconfig stuff?
> >
> > Feedback please.........
> > Jack
> > --
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Fri Nov  2 12:47:04 2012
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2012 10:47:04 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] The downside of Cloud Computing
In-Reply-To: <5093FA63.3000500@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <BLU0-SMTP96F921C5AE441092C4B8AAC4670@phx.gbl><B28572E4990147EDAE80EB6B882704DF@XPS><004001cdb900$cbb44520$631ccf60$@net><006601cdb909$9f726150$de5723f0$@net>
	<5093FA63.3000500@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <29F2F327722E4941A5033EA02BA73654@creativesystemdesigns.com>

There is still some bugs to be worked out in the Cloud environment as the
systems are still in its infancy but every day they become more stable. The
beauty of the Cloud is that regardless what component goes down the data is
synchronized everywhere.

That said, the IT guys job is still secure as data configuration, data
security and backup is still required. Here is a good over-sight of the
Cloud's IT services needed.

http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/datacenter/will-the-cloud-be-the-end-of-the
-it-department/5825?tag=nl.e101&s_cid=e101

A business can not run period if their communications goes down unless they
depend on foot-traffic. Even some of the largest grocery store chains, when
they loss communications just buffer their data until they are re-connected
with head office systems. (I worked on a number of these chains and also
know how they were setup.)

I think the Cloud is not a new invention but an expansion of what already
existed and it is just being extended to everyone. Right now it is having
growing pains but in another five years, all issues will be forgotten and it
will be the standard. 

The big plus is that databases of unlimited size and maximum performance can
be created and any small company can expand rapidly without any major
investment is hardware or hardware support...it is like you are now using
your own Google distributive database system. 

It has John Colby written all over it. ;-)

Jim 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Friday, November 02, 2012 9:53 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] The downside of Cloud Computing

There are several issues with "cloud" computing.  The physical communication
infrastructure 
(connection to the internet) is one and if the access goes down the access
goes down.  If you are 
doing things between two or more physical locations then you are up the
crick so to speak.

A lot of small business however just have a single location so DIS (for
example) can limp along if 
their internet is down precisely because they host their data internal to
their location.  No 
internet required to get at the data.

Another issue is if the data itself is in "the cloud" then there is the
issue of the cloud servers 
going down.  Again if you host your own cloud internal to your facilities
then you have more control.

There are pluses to operating "in the cloud" including robustness,
expandability, third party 
backups.  OTOH we have seen many times in the last year where huge swaths of
the internet went down 
because those swatchs were in a clout (data center) which croaked for some
reason.  It happened to 
Microsoft's cloud as well as Amazon's cloud.

I think we are truly in the infancy of this paradigm and in a decade it will
be really rock solid, 
but it certainly isn't today.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 11/2/2012 10:52 AM, Mark Simms wrote:
> I'm contracted at a profitable small business in Delaware.
> The company I contracted thru developed a really slick web app that
bridges
> communications of inventory between the company's remote warehouse and
their
> administrative office.
> They have become completely dependent upon it.
>
> This past week, they were totally operating blind because their Comcast
> business network was adversely affected by the Sandy storm. Because
Comcast
> had monopoly control over their area (Verizon FIOS was not servicing that
> area due to low population density), they could not get Comcast's
attention
> to resolve their connectivity issues.
>
> They lost business as a result of this situation....and there was
absolutely
> nothing that could be done about it.
>
>
>

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From accessd at shaw.ca  Fri Nov  2 12:54:26 2012
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2012 10:54:26 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] The downside of Cloud Computing
In-Reply-To: <00ea01cdb91d$e38951f0$aa9bf5d0$@cactus.dk>
References: <BLU0-SMTP96F921C5AE441092C4B8AAC4670@phx.gbl><B28572E4990147EDAE80EB6B882704DF@XPS><004001cdb900$cbb44520$631ccf60$@net>	<006601cdb909$9f726150$de5723f0$@net><81E473233054448DA322C19E7A0B8539@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<00ea01cdb91d$e38951f0$aa9bf5d0$@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <5A34AA188AE54F6AA72C482EAD669490@creativesystemdesigns.com>

You are probably right unless it is like Mark suggested that the ISP felt it
was not financially viable to concern itself with a remote company then it
changes the whole scenario. 

A company can save money by establishing itself in a remote area but there
is risks involved and those risks have to be accepted.

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Friday, November 02, 2012 10:17 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] The downside of Cloud Computing

Hi all

More likely a case of Force Majeure - a passus in every insurance policy.

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com  Jim Lawrence
Sendt: 2. november 2012 18:00
Til: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Emne: Re: [AccessD] The downside of Cloud Computing

Did the company just have their entire local server system moved up to the
Cloud or was there a network/web component that went with it? If their
business relies on the web, when they loose all communication they are toast
anyways.

A small village up on the coast, a few years back had a huge storm that,
shut down the internet, telephone, cell phone and even washed out the road.
They were isolated for a good two weeks except via helicopter and a few
rescue boats. They had their own power and the locals rigged a system that
bounced short-wave signals off a couple of emergency repeater sites, that
were high in the mountains and unaffected by the storm. Communications was
very slow but they even got limited internet working as well as telephone.

I guess in your company's case, it is time to see the lawyers.

Jim
  
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Simms
Sent: Friday, November 02, 2012 7:52 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] The downside of Cloud Computing

I'm contracted at a profitable small business in Delaware.
The company I contracted thru developed a really slick web app that bridges
communications of inventory between the company's remote warehouse and their
administrative office.
They have become completely dependent upon it.

This past week, they were totally operating blind because their Comcast
business network was adversely affected by the Sandy storm. Because Comcast
had monopoly control over their area (Verizon FIOS was not servicing that
area due to low population density), they could not get Comcast's attention
to resolve their connectivity issues.

They lost business as a result of this situation....and there was absolutely
nothing that could be done about it.

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From steve at datamanagementsolutions.biz  Fri Nov  2 14:59:58 2012
From: steve at datamanagementsolutions.biz (Steve Schapel)
Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2012 08:59:58 +1300
Subject: [AccessD] Running Access 2003 and 2010 on same PC
In-Reply-To: <98C4272F5762442B82AD725453653F40@XPS>
References: <BLU0-SMTP96F921C5AE441092C4B8AAC4670@phx.gbl><B28572E4990147EDAE80EB6B882704DF@XPS><CAKvidAvQZ=a=eQ9sD0GY=RWcH=jmKspr3eZvU6a2En2Dx0v9iQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<98C4272F5762442B82AD725453653F40@XPS>
Message-ID: <BD582F827AD8490EBA4B68538A411713@stevelaptop>

Jim

Very few people would ever have more than one version of Word or Excel 
installed on the same machine.  I never have.  And with respect to Access, 
the same would apply in general - most people would only ever have one 
version installed.  It's only us developers who are in the unusual 
circumstance of wanting to run multiple versions of Access.

Regards
Steve

-----Original Message----- 
From: Jim Dettman
Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2012 2:46 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Running Access 2003 and 2010 on same PC

Jack,

Actually, I should have not said "there is no solution", because Sage found
one with their install scripts.

As part of that, they figured out a way to isolate Access installs so you
do not get the installation/configuring messages when executing a runtime
that is a different version.  However outside of that, I've never seen
anyone post a solid method for avoiding it other then using a virtual
machine.

By default, Office from 2003 on "self-repairs" whenever a copy of anything
starts up. This seems to be nothing more then registering the current rev's
components in the registry for use as the default.

I've never really been able to figure out why it seems worse for Access
more then other Office apps (takes a long time), but it does seem related to
the features you use in each of the products.  But I see the same behavior
in all of them (Word, Excel, etc).

So that's the part of "by design"; it's the way Microsoft intended this to
work.

I'd be all ears for a work a round as well, but since this problem has
existed since 2003, I'm not expecting one.

Jim.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jack drawbridge
Sent: Friday, November 02, 2012 08:48 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Running Access 2003 and 2010 on same PC

Jim,
You may very well be right. I just started with the 2010 stuff yesterday
and I found it extremely frustrating. Also, it seems it doesn't happen to
William. So if William has a solution, I think many of us (at least Steve
and I) would like to see what he has.

That's the issue with the stuff I have found on various forums including
Microsoft Technet and Community-- some say it (Reinstall message and
process) never happens to them; others say Virtual machines is the only
answer;  and some say it's by design.

jack

On Fri, Nov 2, 2012 at 8:34 AM, Jim Dettman <jimdettman at verizon.net> wrote:

> Jack,
>
>  There is no solution because that's the way it works by design.
>
>  It's either put up with it or use Virtual Machines.
>
> Jim.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jack and Pat
> Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2012 11:09 PM
> To: AccessD Group Discussion
> Subject: [AccessD] Running Access 2003 and 2010 on same PC
>
> Hopefully someone here has resolved multi versions of Access on the same
> machine. I'm trying to set up 2010 to run along with the trusty 2003 on XP
> sp3. Whenever I move from one version to the other,  I get the Microsoft
> interruption and message that M$oft is reinstalling. It seems a very
> frustrating issue that would have been solved (officially) or a proper
work
> around found and used.
>
> I have searched a lot and have not found a definitive solution. I have
seen
> people who have gone to Virtual PC to separate their different versions of
> Office and Access.
>
> Has anyone solved this? If you're running multiple versions of Acces on
> same
> PC, do you really put up with the reinstalling/reconfig stuff?
>
> Feedback please.........
> Jack
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From jimdettman at verizon.net  Fri Nov  2 16:06:14 2012
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2012 17:06:14 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Running Access 2003 and 2010 on same PC
In-Reply-To: <BD582F827AD8490EBA4B68538A411713@stevelaptop>
References: <BLU0-SMTP96F921C5AE441092C4B8AAC4670@phx.gbl><B28572E4990147EDAE80EB6B882704DF@XPS><CAKvidAvQZ=a=eQ9sD0GY=RWcH=jmKspr3eZvU6a2En2Dx0v9iQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<98C4272F5762442B82AD725453653F40@XPS>
	<BD582F827AD8490EBA4B68538A411713@stevelaptop>
Message-ID: <AD9B98119B2E44508D4D52AB96C36B08@XPS>

Steve,

 I would disagree.  I've bumped into many situations were I've deployed an
app and the end user already has Access, but a different version.

 I've also encountered the situation where I deploy and they upgrade, and
then my app breaks.

  Multi-version issues don't apply only to development.

Jim. 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Schapel
Sent: Friday, November 02, 2012 04:00 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Running Access 2003 and 2010 on same PC

Jim

Very few people would ever have more than one version of Word or Excel 
installed on the same machine.  I never have.  And with respect to Access, 
the same would apply in general - most people would only ever have one 
version installed.  It's only us developers who are in the unusual 
circumstance of wanting to run multiple versions of Access.

Regards
Steve

-----Original Message----- 
From: Jim Dettman
Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2012 2:46 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Running Access 2003 and 2010 on same PC

Jack,

Actually, I should have not said "there is no solution", because Sage found
one with their install scripts.

As part of that, they figured out a way to isolate Access installs so you
do not get the installation/configuring messages when executing a runtime
that is a different version.  However outside of that, I've never seen
anyone post a solid method for avoiding it other then using a virtual
machine.

By default, Office from 2003 on "self-repairs" whenever a copy of anything
starts up. This seems to be nothing more then registering the current rev's
components in the registry for use as the default.

I've never really been able to figure out why it seems worse for Access
more then other Office apps (takes a long time), but it does seem related to
the features you use in each of the products.  But I see the same behavior
in all of them (Word, Excel, etc).

So that's the part of "by design"; it's the way Microsoft intended this to
work.

I'd be all ears for a work a round as well, but since this problem has
existed since 2003, I'm not expecting one.

Jim.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jack drawbridge
Sent: Friday, November 02, 2012 08:48 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Running Access 2003 and 2010 on same PC

Jim,
You may very well be right. I just started with the 2010 stuff yesterday
and I found it extremely frustrating. Also, it seems it doesn't happen to
William. So if William has a solution, I think many of us (at least Steve
and I) would like to see what he has.

That's the issue with the stuff I have found on various forums including
Microsoft Technet and Community-- some say it (Reinstall message and
process) never happens to them; others say Virtual machines is the only
answer;  and some say it's by design.

jack

On Fri, Nov 2, 2012 at 8:34 AM, Jim Dettman <jimdettman at verizon.net> wrote:

> Jack,
>
>  There is no solution because that's the way it works by design.
>
>  It's either put up with it or use Virtual Machines.
>
> Jim.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jack and Pat
> Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2012 11:09 PM
> To: AccessD Group Discussion
> Subject: [AccessD] Running Access 2003 and 2010 on same PC
>
> Hopefully someone here has resolved multi versions of Access on the same
> machine. I'm trying to set up 2010 to run along with the trusty 2003 on XP
> sp3. Whenever I move from one version to the other,  I get the Microsoft
> interruption and message that M$oft is reinstalling. It seems a very
> frustrating issue that would have been solved (officially) or a proper
work
> around found and used.
>
> I have searched a lot and have not found a definitive solution. I have
seen
> people who have gone to Virtual PC to separate their different versions of
> Office and Access.
>
> Has anyone solved this? If you're running multiple versions of Acces on
> same
> PC, do you really put up with the reinstalling/reconfig stuff?
>
> Feedback please.........
> Jack
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From dw-murphy at cox.net  Fri Nov  2 16:55:18 2012
From: dw-murphy at cox.net (Doug Murphy)
Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2012 14:55:18 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Running Access 2003 and 2010 on same PC
In-Reply-To: <BD582F827AD8490EBA4B68538A411713@stevelaptop>
References: <BLU0-SMTP96F921C5AE441092C4B8AAC4670@phx.gbl><B28572E4990147EDAE80EB6B882704DF@XPS><CAKvidAvQZ=a=eQ9sD0GY=RWcH=jmKspr3eZvU6a2En2Dx0v9iQ@mail.gmail.com>	<98C4272F5762442B82AD725453653F40@XPS>
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Multiple versions are a big problem if distributing an application created
in an Access runtime. This is where Sagekey makes its money.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Schapel
Sent: Friday, November 02, 2012 1:00 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Running Access 2003 and 2010 on same PC

Jim

Very few people would ever have more than one version of Word or Excel
installed on the same machine.  I never have.  And with respect to Access,
the same would apply in general - most people would only ever have one
version installed.  It's only us developers who are in the unusual
circumstance of wanting to run multiple versions of Access.

Regards
Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Dettman
Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2012 2:46 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Running Access 2003 and 2010 on same PC

Jack,

Actually, I should have not said "there is no solution", because Sage found
one with their install scripts.

As part of that, they figured out a way to isolate Access installs so you do
not get the installation/configuring messages when executing a runtime that
is a different version.  However outside of that, I've never seen anyone
post a solid method for avoiding it other then using a virtual machine.

By default, Office from 2003 on "self-repairs" whenever a copy of anything
starts up. This seems to be nothing more then registering the current rev's
components in the registry for use as the default.

I've never really been able to figure out why it seems worse for Access more
then other Office apps (takes a long time), but it does seem related to the
features you use in each of the products.  But I see the same behavior in
all of them (Word, Excel, etc).

So that's the part of "by design"; it's the way Microsoft intended this to
work.

I'd be all ears for a work a round as well, but since this problem has
existed since 2003, I'm not expecting one.

Jim.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jack drawbridge
Sent: Friday, November 02, 2012 08:48 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Running Access 2003 and 2010 on same PC

Jim,
You may very well be right. I just started with the 2010 stuff yesterday and
I found it extremely frustrating. Also, it seems it doesn't happen to
William. So if William has a solution, I think many of us (at least Steve
and I) would like to see what he has.

That's the issue with the stuff I have found on various forums including
Microsoft Technet and Community-- some say it (Reinstall message and
process) never happens to them; others say Virtual machines is the only
answer;  and some say it's by design.

jack

On Fri, Nov 2, 2012 at 8:34 AM, Jim Dettman <jimdettman at verizon.net> wrote:

> Jack,
>
>  There is no solution because that's the way it works by design.
>
>  It's either put up with it or use Virtual Machines.
>
> Jim.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jack and 
> Pat
> Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2012 11:09 PM
> To: AccessD Group Discussion
> Subject: [AccessD] Running Access 2003 and 2010 on same PC
>
> Hopefully someone here has resolved multi versions of Access on the 
> same machine. I'm trying to set up 2010 to run along with the trusty 
> 2003 on XP sp3. Whenever I move from one version to the other,  I get 
> the Microsoft interruption and message that M$oft is reinstalling. It 
> seems a very frustrating issue that would have been solved 
> (officially) or a proper
work
> around found and used.
>
> I have searched a lot and have not found a definitive solution. I have
seen
> people who have gone to Virtual PC to separate their different 
> versions of Office and Access.
>
> Has anyone solved this? If you're running multiple versions of Acces 
> on same PC, do you really put up with the reinstalling/reconfig stuff?
>
> Feedback please.........
> Jack
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From marksimms at verizon.net  Sat Nov  3 12:40:40 2012
From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms)
Date: Sat, 03 Nov 2012 13:40:40 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] The downside of Cloud Computing
In-Reply-To: <5A34AA188AE54F6AA72C482EAD669490@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <BLU0-SMTP96F921C5AE441092C4B8AAC4670@phx.gbl><B28572E4990147EDAE80EB6B882704DF@XPS><004001cdb900$cbb44520$631ccf60$@net>
	<006601cdb909$9f726150$de5723f0$@net><81E473233054448DA322C19E7A0B8539@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<00ea01cdb91d$e38951f0$aa9bf5d0$@cactus.dk>
	<5A34AA188AE54F6AA72C482EAD669490@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <00ce01cdb9ea$57e9ac30$07bd0490$@net>

That was very wise Jim and "right on". The alternatives were T1 line,
Fractional T3, neither of which the company could afford. The consulting
firm I am contracted with suggested the Comcast Business Service
offering...which was cheap...and very reliable for 2 years running. And then
the storm hit....


> You are probably right unless it is like Mark suggested that the ISP
> felt it
> was not financially viable to concern itself with a remote company then
> it
> changes the whole scenario.



From accessd at shaw.ca  Sat Nov  3 14:37:35 2012
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2012 12:37:35 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] The downside of Cloud Computing
In-Reply-To: <00ce01cdb9ea$57e9ac30$07bd0490$@net>
References: <BLU0-SMTP96F921C5AE441092C4B8AAC4670@phx.gbl><B28572E4990147EDAE80EB6B882704DF@XPS><004001cdb900$cbb44520$631ccf60$@net><006601cdb909$9f726150$de5723f0$@net><81E473233054448DA322C19E7A0B8539@creativesystemdesigns.com><00ea01cdb91d$e38951f0$aa9bf5d0$@cactus.dk><5A34AA188AE54F6AA72C482EAD669490@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<00ce01cdb9ea$57e9ac30$07bd0490$@net>
Message-ID: <C410AABCC6344CE18448073E9F449D44@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Sometimes a saving is not a saving and unfortunately, a small company may
not in the financial position to take advantage of the new technology and
they should just wait and/or have alternative backup scenarios.

I have setup many retail businesses and always add backup plans. A good high
speed connection and if it fails a backup modem and it that fails local
server(s) with hard drive data duplication and if the network fails the PCs
can still run as stand-alones as they have their own hard drives. In the
event of some kind of failure the working data is saved and broadcast when
everything is back up again. I also like to add an auto-email post, which
summarizes the over-night processes and if anything is not working properly,
hardware failures or drive capacity issues and so on, I am sent an email.
Every morning, I check my business posts and in many cases can resolve
issues before the store opens remotely or contact the owner to arrange for
hardware re-arrangement or repair.

Jim   

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Simms
Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2012 10:41 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] The downside of Cloud Computing

That was very wise Jim and "right on". The alternatives were T1 line,
Fractional T3, neither of which the company could afford. The consulting
firm I am contracted with suggested the Comcast Business Service
offering...which was cheap...and very reliable for 2 years running. And then
the storm hit....


> You are probably right unless it is like Mark suggested that the ISP
> felt it
> was not financially viable to concern itself with a remote company then
> it
> changes the whole scenario.


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From jackandpat.d at gmail.com  Sat Nov  3 18:46:13 2012
From: jackandpat.d at gmail.com (jack drawbridge)
Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2012 19:46:13 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Fwd:  The downside of Cloud Computing
In-Reply-To: <CAKvidAufQ3aoCTVP+gSE8-_-=jyr_hymbqpfzy=QoDeXD2_+Qg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BLU0-SMTP96F921C5AE441092C4B8AAC4670@phx.gbl>
	<B28572E4990147EDAE80EB6B882704DF@XPS>
	<004001cdb900$cbb44520$631ccf60$@net>
	<006601cdb909$9f726150$de5723f0$@net>
	<81E473233054448DA322C19E7A0B8539@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<00ea01cdb91d$e38951f0$aa9bf5d0$@cactus.dk>
	<5A34AA188AE54F6AA72C482EAD669490@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<00ce01cdb9ea$57e9ac30$07bd0490$@net>
	<CAKvidAufQ3aoCTVP+gSE8-_-=jyr_hymbqpfzy=QoDeXD2_+Qg@mail.gmail.com>
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Here are a couple of links that seem appropriate -- enjoy
http://www.access-programmers.co.uk/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=44821&d=1351977292
http://www.access-programmers.co.uk/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=44824&d=1351982734

jack
On Sat, Nov 3, 2012 at 1:40 PM, Mark Simms <marksimms at verizon.net> wrote:

> That was very wise Jim and "right on". The alternatives were T1 line,
> Fractional T3, neither of which the company could afford. The consulting
> firm I am contracted with suggested the Comcast Business Service
> offering...which was cheap...and very reliable for 2 years running. And
> then
> the storm hit....
>
>
> > You are probably right unless it is like Mark suggested that the ISP
> > felt it
> > was not financially viable to concern itself with a remote company then
> > it
> > changes the whole scenario.
>
>
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From vbacreations at gmail.com  Sat Nov  3 22:52:47 2012
From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson)
Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2012 23:52:47 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Regarding multi-value field, from a reader
In-Reply-To: <C9DF43051FA44A3998DB227C10439DFC@SusanHarkins>
References: <5F069B6242214653A40D9DC1BA410F9D@SusanHarkins>
	<CAH+Met80jJgP3kGuRHc1jHTeN2nc78PnS9_texbzE+iMarCJ9Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<157E2CEB5654449C90D60A2356C04D03@SusanHarkins>
	<CAH+Met_ZQe5R50dRuO=+q9hG4Z4qG21UZkZV482zvhAov58VfQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B534333B79@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
	<003901cdb7ea$cce36fa0$66aa4ee0$@gmail.com>
	<CAGuQ9V58x1Qzf4dX2hw98zfe2yYn-RQXjer7ryNi7dm8J7mJLw@mail.gmail.com>
	<C9DF43051FA44A3998DB227C10439DFC@SusanHarkins>
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Find out yet?
On Nov 1, 2012 2:28 PM, "Susan Harkins" <ssharkins at gmail.com> wrote:

> I sent this solution on to the reader -- if he can live with the visible
> numbers, it'll probably work for him.
>
> Thanks!
> Susan H.
>
>
>  Cant the values change to something Access sorts natively? Or did I miss
>> the essence of the problem
>> On Nov 1, 2012 12:38 AM, "William Benson (VBACreations.Com)" <
>> vbacreations at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>  Why not change the values?
>>>
>>> 1 (Mo),2 (Tu),3 (Wd),4 (Th),5 (Fr)
>>>
>>> I mean, is something limiting them to a single character?
>>>
>>>
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From vbacreations at gmail.com  Sat Nov  3 23:28:22 2012
From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson)
Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2012 00:28:22 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] 2 Questions concerning lists of fields and indexes
In-Reply-To: <CAKvidAutuSLqRzM3mA6x9OTnxmoAkESRt7+PYqK4xsRe8zNxJw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1jMwzWT3R+qKWH3KXup64sJN+1nVXqEqEU_Yn0B-zba2Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<F5B2E2ECEE84F142883A2E6DCA867F980151B115AD@LIVP3MMBX10.mail.aig.net>
	<CAKvidAutuSLqRzM3mA6x9OTnxmoAkESRt7+PYqK4xsRe8zNxJw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAGuQ9V7JKbwmAzUQH0+JG4dsq3A30q+NS9rBtvskMOVQEE0gGA@mail.gmail.com>

I believe it is handled differently in oracle btw becaise constraints are
maintained and named at the database level. I hsve some sql for digging
such details up if anyone cares.

From steve at datamanagementsolutions.biz  Mon Nov  5 16:10:36 2012
From: steve at datamanagementsolutions.biz (Steve Schapel)
Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2012 11:10:36 +1300
Subject: [AccessD] Running Access 2003 and 2010 on same PC
In-Reply-To: <AD9B98119B2E44508D4D52AB96C36B08@XPS>
References: <BLU0-SMTP96F921C5AE441092C4B8AAC4670@phx.gbl><B28572E4990147EDAE80EB6B882704DF@XPS><CAKvidAvQZ=a=eQ9sD0GY=RWcH=jmKspr3eZvU6a2En2Dx0v9iQ@mail.gmail.com><98C4272F5762442B82AD725453653F40@XPS><BD582F827AD8490EBA4B68538A411713@stevelaptop>
	<AD9B98119B2E44508D4D52AB96C36B08@XPS>
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Thanks for the insights, Jim.  On reflection, I agree with you.

Regards
Steve

-----Original Message----- 
From: Jim Dettman
Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2012 10:06 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Running Access 2003 and 2010 on same PC

Steve,

I would disagree.  I've bumped into many situations were I've deployed an
app and the end user already has Access, but a different version.

I've also encountered the situation where I deploy and they upgrade, and
then my app breaks.

  Multi-version issues don't apply only to development.

Jim.

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Schapel
Sent: Friday, November 02, 2012 04:00 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Running Access 2003 and 2010 on same PC

Jim

Very few people would ever have more than one version of Word or Excel
installed on the same machine.  I never have.  And with respect to Access,
the same would apply in general - most people would only ever have one
version installed.  It's only us developers who are in the unusual
circumstance of wanting to run multiple versions of Access.

Regards
Steve

-----Original Message----- 
From: Jim Dettman
Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2012 2:46 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Running Access 2003 and 2010 on same PC

Jack,

Actually, I should have not said "there is no solution", because Sage found
one with their install scripts.

As part of that, they figured out a way to isolate Access installs so you
do not get the installation/configuring messages when executing a runtime
that is a different version.  However outside of that, I've never seen
anyone post a solid method for avoiding it other then using a virtual
machine.

By default, Office from 2003 on "self-repairs" whenever a copy of anything
starts up. This seems to be nothing more then registering the current rev's
components in the registry for use as the default.

I've never really been able to figure out why it seems worse for Access
more then other Office apps (takes a long time), but it does seem related to
the features you use in each of the products.  But I see the same behavior
in all of them (Word, Excel, etc).

So that's the part of "by design"; it's the way Microsoft intended this to
work.

I'd be all ears for a work a round as well, but since this problem has
existed since 2003, I'm not expecting one.

Jim.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jack drawbridge
Sent: Friday, November 02, 2012 08:48 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Running Access 2003 and 2010 on same PC

Jim,
You may very well be right. I just started with the 2010 stuff yesterday
and I found it extremely frustrating. Also, it seems it doesn't happen to
William. So if William has a solution, I think many of us (at least Steve
and I) would like to see what he has.

That's the issue with the stuff I have found on various forums including
Microsoft Technet and Community-- some say it (Reinstall message and
process) never happens to them; others say Virtual machines is the only
answer;  and some say it's by design.

jack

On Fri, Nov 2, 2012 at 8:34 AM, Jim Dettman <jimdettman at verizon.net> wrote:

> Jack,
>
>  There is no solution because that's the way it works by design.
>
>  It's either put up with it or use Virtual Machines.
>
> Jim.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jack and Pat
> Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2012 11:09 PM
> To: AccessD Group Discussion
> Subject: [AccessD] Running Access 2003 and 2010 on same PC
>
> Hopefully someone here has resolved multi versions of Access on the same
> machine. I'm trying to set up 2010 to run along with the trusty 2003 on XP
> sp3. Whenever I move from one version to the other,  I get the Microsoft
> interruption and message that M$oft is reinstalling. It seems a very
> frustrating issue that would have been solved (officially) or a proper
work
> around found and used.
>
> I have searched a lot and have not found a definitive solution. I have
seen
> people who have gone to Virtual PC to separate their different versions of
> Office and Access.
>
> Has anyone solved this? If you're running multiple versions of Acces on
> same
> PC, do you really put up with the reinstalling/reconfig stuff?
>
> Feedback please.........
> Jack
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From steve at datamanagementsolutions.biz  Mon Nov  5 16:19:47 2012
From: steve at datamanagementsolutions.biz (Steve Schapel)
Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2012 11:19:47 +1300
Subject: [AccessD] The case of the gutless queries
Message-ID: <B2B2CAE4B9B949EBA8F58FF91B8FAE23@stevelaptop>

I have just come across a weird one!

Easy to fix ? I just have to replace the frontend file.  But can think of no explanation.  Anyone ever seen anything like this?...

Access 2003 MDE, with mdb backend on network server.  Got a call from the client to say that he was entering data, when suddenly it stopped working.  No error apparently.

On investigation, this is what I found....  All the queries were empty!  I mean blank ? not talking data here, I am talking design view of queries with nothing there, and SQL view saying only "SELECT;"  All of them ... ppfffft!

Just for interest, any thoughts?

Regards
Steve


From df.waters at comcast.net  Mon Nov  5 16:29:59 2012
From: df.waters at comcast.net (Dan Waters)
Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2012 16:29:59 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] The case of the gutless queries
In-Reply-To: <B2B2CAE4B9B949EBA8F58FF91B8FAE23@stevelaptop>
References: <B2B2CAE4B9B949EBA8F58FF91B8FAE23@stevelaptop>
Message-ID: <002b01cdbba5$176511b0$462f3510$@comcast.net>

Steve,

Take a look at vbWatchdog at www.everythingaccess.com.  Using their classes, you can record and later obtain all errors that occur, without adding an error handler to every procedure in your code.  It does cost, but it's allowed me to really understand almost all of the Access errors that occur in my systems.

When you're using an MDE, you MUST have error trapping of some kind, since the system just crashes without it.

And with the error below, you really need to know what triggered that!

Dan

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Sent: Monday, November 05, 2012 4:20 PM
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Subject: [AccessD] The case of the gutless queries

I have just come across a weird one!

Easy to fix ? I just have to replace the frontend file.  But can think of no explanation.  Anyone ever seen anything like this?...

Access 2003 MDE, with mdb backend on network server.  Got a call from the client to say that he was entering data, when suddenly it stopped working.  No error apparently.

On investigation, this is what I found....  All the queries were empty!  I mean blank ? not talking data here, I am talking design view of queries with nothing there, and SQL view saying only "SELECT;"  All of them ... ppfffft!

Just for interest, any thoughts?

Regards
Steve

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From steve at datamanagementsolutions.biz  Mon Nov  5 18:05:18 2012
From: steve at datamanagementsolutions.biz (Steve Schapel)
Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2012 13:05:18 +1300
Subject: [AccessD] The case of the gutless queries
In-Reply-To: <002b01cdbba5$176511b0$462f3510$@comcast.net>
References: <B2B2CAE4B9B949EBA8F58FF91B8FAE23@stevelaptop>
	<002b01cdbba5$176511b0$462f3510$@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <C037659B308E4BBD8CC7A02158596D02@stevelaptop>

Hi Dan

I appreciate your advice.

However, in this case, I have error handling in all procedures, and nothing 
was raised.  I should also add that this application has been in use for 
about 13 years now, and this is the first time this has happened.

Thanks.

Regards
Steve

-----Original Message----- 
From: Dan Waters
Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2012 11:29 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] The case of the gutless queries

Steve,

Take a look at vbWatchdog at www.everythingaccess.com.  Using their classes, 
you can record and later obtain all errors that occur, without adding an 
error handler to every procedure in your code.  It does cost, but it's 
allowed me to really understand almost all of the Access errors that occur 
in my systems.

When you're using an MDE, you MUST have error trapping of some kind, since 
the system just crashes without it.

And with the error below, you really need to know what triggered that!

Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Schapel
Sent: Monday, November 05, 2012 4:20 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] The case of the gutless queries

I have just come across a weird one!

Easy to fix ? I just have to replace the frontend file.  But can think of no 
explanation.  Anyone ever seen anything like this?...

Access 2003 MDE, with mdb backend on network server.  Got a call from the 
client to say that he was entering data, when suddenly it stopped working. 
No error apparently.

On investigation, this is what I found....  All the queries were empty!  I 
mean blank ? not talking data here, I am talking design view of queries with 
nothing there, and SQL view saying only "SELECT;"  All of them ... ppfffft!

Just for interest, any thoughts?

Regards
Steve

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From jimdettman at verizon.net  Mon Nov  5 18:06:29 2012
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2012 19:06:29 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] The case of the gutless queries
In-Reply-To: <B2B2CAE4B9B949EBA8F58FF91B8FAE23@stevelaptop>
References: <B2B2CAE4B9B949EBA8F58FF91B8FAE23@stevelaptop>
Message-ID: <41B834C349624721927A173031D422D8@XPS>


 Definitely in the realm of strange that one is...

 Certainly some form of database corruption. Only thing I can think of is
msysobjects got hosed.  That's the only thing they would all share in
common.
 
Jim. 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Schapel
Sent: Monday, November 05, 2012 05:20 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] The case of the gutless queries

I have just come across a weird one!

Easy to fix - I just have to replace the frontend file.  But can think of no
explanation.  Anyone ever seen anything like this?...

Access 2003 MDE, with mdb backend on network server.  Got a call from the
client to say that he was entering data, when suddenly it stopped working.
No error apparently.

On investigation, this is what I found....  All the queries were empty!  I
mean blank - not talking data here, I am talking design view of queries with
nothing there, and SQL view saying only "SELECT;"  All of them ... ppfffft!

Just for interest, any thoughts?

Regards
Steve

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From marksimms at verizon.net  Mon Nov  5 18:57:47 2012
From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms)
Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2012 19:57:47 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] The case of the gutless queries
In-Reply-To: <B2B2CAE4B9B949EBA8F58FF91B8FAE23@stevelaptop>
References: <B2B2CAE4B9B949EBA8F58FF91B8FAE23@stevelaptop>
Message-ID: <001601cdbbb9$bd552470$37ff6d50$@net>

Wow ! Of course, a backup of the FE is all that is needed.
On top of that, I export all of the SQL from each of the queries and place it 
into a large text file.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-
> bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Schapel
> Sent: Monday, November 05, 2012 5:20 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] The case of the gutless queries
>
> I have just come across a weird one!
>
> Easy to fix - I just have to replace the frontend file.  But can think
> of no explanation.  Anyone ever seen anything like this?...
>
> Access 2003 MDE, with mdb backend on network server.  Got a call from
> the client to say that he was entering data, when suddenly it stopped
> working.  No error apparently.
>
> On investigation, this is what I found....  All the queries were empty!
> I mean blank - not talking data here, I am talking design view of
> queries with nothing there, and SQL view saying only "SELECT;"  All of
> them ... ppfffft!
>
> Just for interest, any thoughts?
>
> Regards
> Steve
>
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From df.waters at comcast.net  Mon Nov  5 20:38:32 2012
From: df.waters at comcast.net (Dan Waters)
Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2012 20:38:32 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] The case of the gutless queries
In-Reply-To: <C037659B308E4BBD8CC7A02158596D02@stevelaptop>
References: <B2B2CAE4B9B949EBA8F58FF91B8FAE23@stevelaptop>	<002b01cdbba5$176511b0$462f3510$@comcast.net>
	<C037659B308E4BBD8CC7A02158596D02@stevelaptop>
Message-ID: <003d01cdbbc7$d03babf0$70b303d0$@comcast.net>

Yup - probably corruption.

I do have a utility that you could use to export all objects to text and then import back.  My personal theory is that importing will recreate the objects within the current Access/Windows environment and may be less prone to corruption.  

Let me know if you'd like a copy.

Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Schapel
Sent: Monday, November 05, 2012 6:05 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] The case of the gutless queries

Hi Dan

I appreciate your advice.

However, in this case, I have error handling in all procedures, and nothing was raised.  I should also add that this application has been in use for about 13 years now, and this is the first time this has happened.

Thanks.

Regards



From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Nov  5 22:19:11 2012
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2012 23:19:11 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Android now accounts for 3 out of 4 smartphones shipped -
 GadgetBox on NBCNews.com
Message-ID: <50988FBF.4070401@colbyconsulting.com>

http://www.nbcnews.com/technology/gadgetbox/android-now-accounts-3-out-4-smartphones-shipped-1C6815907

-- 
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Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it


From TSeptav at Uniserve.com  Wed Nov  7 12:45:00 2012
From: TSeptav at Uniserve.com (Tony Septav)
Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2012 12:45:00 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Flickering
Message-ID: <201211071845.qA7Ij7Zx012725@databaseadvisors.com>

Hey All

I have a form which contains a tab with 2 pages. If I move the mouse cursor
back and forth over the tabs, the controls/buttons sometimes not always will
flicker/flash. Has anyone experienced this and possible found a way to stop
it?

 

Thanks 

Tony Septav

Nanaimo, BC 

Canada


From charlotte.foust at gmail.com  Wed Nov  7 13:01:57 2012
From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2012 11:01:57 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Flickering
In-Reply-To: <201211071845.qA7Ij7Zx012725@databaseadvisors.com>
References: <201211071845.qA7Ij7Zx012725@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <CAH+Met9KMj9VhgMWYuS+qNNGYuGjs96FFWrQrDtxQHb0j-1Sog@mail.gmail.com>

It sounds like you've got some code running that tries to figure out which
tab page to load.  I assume you're talking about the controls/buttons on
the current tab, right?  Or are you seeing it on the form itself?

Charlotte

On Wed, Nov 7, 2012 at 10:45 AM, Tony Septav <TSeptav at uniserve.com> wrote:

> Hey All
>
> I have a form which contains a tab with 2 pages. If I move the mouse cursor
> back and forth over the tabs, the controls/buttons sometimes not always
> will
> flicker/flash. Has anyone experienced this and possible found a way to stop
> it?
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
> Tony Septav
>
> Nanaimo, BC
>
> Canada
>
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Wed Nov  7 13:08:14 2012
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2012 11:08:14 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Flickering
In-Reply-To: <201211071845.qA7Ij7Zx012725@databaseadvisors.com>
References: <201211071845.qA7Ij7Zx012725@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <4AC1F8C64FDD4BE4964C20ED340FB7BF@HAL9007>

I found this happening when the label was not associated with the control.
You can test it by rolling over a label and see if you get the flicker.  If
so, select the label, Cut it (ctrl-X), select the control, and paste
(ctrl-V)  The label will now be attached to the control.  Mouse over the
label and see if you still get flicker. 

No guarantees that's what problem you have, but that's how I solved one of
my flicker problems.

Rocky


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tony Septav
Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2012 10:45 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Flickering

Hey All

I have a form which contains a tab with 2 pages. If I move the mouse cursor
back and forth over the tabs, the controls/buttons sometimes not always will
flicker/flash. Has anyone experienced this and possible found a way to stop
it?

 

Thanks 

Tony Septav

Nanaimo, BC 

Canada

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From TSeptav at Uniserve.com  Wed Nov  7 13:12:28 2012
From: TSeptav at Uniserve.com (Tony Septav)
Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2012 13:12:28 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Flickering
In-Reply-To: <CAH+Met9KMj9VhgMWYuS+qNNGYuGjs96FFWrQrDtxQHb0j-1Sog@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <201211071912.qA7JCUKi027077@databaseadvisors.com>

Hey Charlotte
It is just mouse movements on and off the current page of the tab. I
sometimes get the controls/buttons flashing/flickering.  There is no code in
the background that applies to what page is currently selected.  I may have
to rebuild the whole thing to see what is causing this problem.

Thank you kindly for your response.

Tony Septav
Nanaimo, BC
Canada

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: November-07-12 1:02 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Flickering

It sounds like you've got some code running that tries to figure out which
tab page to load.  I assume you're talking about the controls/buttons on
the current tab, right?  Or are you seeing it on the form itself?

Charlotte

On Wed, Nov 7, 2012 at 10:45 AM, Tony Septav <TSeptav at uniserve.com> wrote:

> Hey All
>
> I have a form which contains a tab with 2 pages. If I move the mouse
cursor
> back and forth over the tabs, the controls/buttons sometimes not always
> will
> flicker/flash. Has anyone experienced this and possible found a way to
stop
> it?
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
> Tony Septav
>
> Nanaimo, BC
>
> Canada
>
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From TSeptav at Uniserve.com  Wed Nov  7 13:16:06 2012
From: TSeptav at Uniserve.com (Tony Septav)
Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2012 13:16:06 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Flickering
In-Reply-To: <4AC1F8C64FDD4BE4964C20ED340FB7BF@HAL9007>
Message-ID: <201211071916.qA7JG8VN028774@databaseadvisors.com>

Hey Rocky
As I mentioned to Charlotte, I may have to rebuild the form (not looking
forward to it) step by step to see what is causing this problem. I never
seen this before.

Thanks for your input.

Tony Septav 
Nanaimo, BC 
Canada

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: November-07-12 1:08 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Flickering

I found this happening when the label was not associated with the control.
You can test it by rolling over a label and see if you get the flicker.  If
so, select the label, Cut it (ctrl-X), select the control, and paste
(ctrl-V)  The label will now be attached to the control.  Mouse over the
label and see if you still get flicker. 

No guarantees that's what problem you have, but that's how I solved one of
my flicker problems.

Rocky


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tony Septav
Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2012 10:45 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Flickering

Hey All

I have a form which contains a tab with 2 pages. If I move the mouse cursor
back and forth over the tabs, the controls/buttons sometimes not always will
flicker/flash. Has anyone experienced this and possible found a way to stop
it?

 

Thanks 

Tony Septav

Nanaimo, BC 

Canada

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From TSeptav at Uniserve.com  Wed Nov  7 13:24:26 2012
From: TSeptav at Uniserve.com (Tony Septav)
Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2012 13:24:26 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] OT:3D Camera
Message-ID: <201211071924.qA7JOSbV001509@databaseadvisors.com>

Hey All

I do not usually do this, but some of you techno gurus may be interested.
This may have already been posted.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q26mekrMoaY
<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q26mekrMoaY&feature=youtu.be>
&feature=youtu.be

 

The cameras sell for $399 CDN at Future shop.

 

Tony Septav 

Nanaimo, BC

Canada


From rls at WeBeDb.com  Wed Nov  7 15:00:57 2012
From: rls at WeBeDb.com (Robert Stewart)
Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2012 15:00:57 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Create ICS file from Access
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1048.1352316272.21972.accessd@databaseadvisors.com
 >
References: <mailman.1048.1352316272.21972.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <0ADF9596-BA32-4BD8-BA78-B5FD49DDFEC4@holly.arvixe.com>


Does anyone out there have the code to create an ICS file that
is the calendar file for Outlook that can be attached to an email?





Robert L. Stewart

Any fool can write code that a computer can understand. Good 
programmers write code that humans can understand. --Martin Fowler

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www.DBGUIDesign.com
www.RLStewartPhotography.com  

From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au  Wed Nov  7 16:10:10 2012
From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins)
Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2012 22:10:10 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Flickering
In-Reply-To: <201211071916.qA7JG8VN028774@databaseadvisors.com>
References: <4AC1F8C64FDD4BE4964C20ED340FB7BF@HAL9007>
	<201211071916.qA7JG8VN028774@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B53434D0C7@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>

Tony,

Try the following code - it was written for .mdb versions - I have never used it in accdb.  It automatically fixes up the flicker if it is caused by labels.

Cheers
Darryl




'==================== CODE STARTS HERE ===========================

Option Compare Database
Option Explicit

'The code below loops through all the controls on a form and locates the labels
'that have a tab page as their parent.
'It changes the ControlType to text box, assigns the label's Caption to the
'text box's ControlSource, and sets the Enabled, Locked,
'and BackColor so the text box looks and behaves like a label.
'
'To use it to fix a form named "MyForm":
'
'Open a new module (Modules tab of Database window).
'Paste in the code.
'Open the Immediate Window (Ctrl+G), and enter:
'    Print ConvertLabelOnTabPage("frmPAI")
'The function lists to the Immediate Window the names of any labels
'that were converted.
'
'To fix all the forms in an Access 2003 database, enter:
'    Print FixAllForms()
'
'Warnings:
'
'This solution is not suitable if your application uses labels as
'quazi-buttons for the user to click. Since a disabled text box cannot
'be clicked, these "labels" would become inoperative.
'
'Backup your mdb before use. This code saves the changes without confirmation.

'-------------------------------------------------------------------------

Function ConvertLabelOnTabPage(strFormName As String, _
        Optional bSaveAndClose As Boolean, Optional bHidden As Boolean)
    'Purpose:   Change unattached labels on pages of tab control into text boxes.
    '           Avoids flicker bug under Windows XP themes.
    Dim frm As Form
    Dim ctl As Control
    Dim strName As String
    Dim strCaption As String
    Dim bytBackStyle As Byte
    Dim bChanged As Boolean
    Const strcQuote = """"
    
    'Open the form in design view
    DoCmd.OpenForm strFormName, acDesign, _
        windowmode:=IIf(bHidden, acHidden, acWindowNormal)
    Set frm = Forms(strFormName)
    
    'Find the labels whose parent is a tab page.
    For Each ctl In frm.Controls
        If ctl.ControlType = acLabel Then
            If ParentIsTabPage(ctl) Then
                bChanged = True
                strName = ctl.Name           'ctl reference will be lost.
                strCaption = ctl.Caption     'For ControlSource.
                bytBackStyle = ctl.BackStyle 'Access doesn't set this.
                'Convert it to a text box.
                ctl.ControlType = acTextBox
                'Set the text box properties.
                With frm.Controls(strName)  'ctl is now undefined.
                    .ControlSource = "=" & strcQuote & _
                        Replace(strCaption, strcQuote, strcQuote & strcQuote) & strcQuote
                    .Enabled = False
                    .Locked = True
                    .BackStyle = bytBackStyle
                End With
            End If
        End If
    Next
    
    Set ctl = Nothing
    Set frm = Nothing
    If Not bChanged Then
        DoCmd.Close acForm, strFormName, acSaveNo
    ElseIf bSaveAndClose Then
        DoCmd.Close acForm, strFormName, acSaveYes
    End If
End Function

Private Function ParentIsTabPage(ctl As Control) As Boolean
    On Error Resume Next
    ParentIsTabPage = (ctl.Parent.ControlType = acPage)
End Function

Function FixAllForms()
    'Purpose:   Run ConvertLabelOnTabPage() for ALL forms in this database.
    'Warning:   Saves changes without confirmation.

    Dim accobj As AccessObject
    For Each accobj In CurrentProject.AllForms
        Call ConvertLabelOnTabPage(accobj.Name, True, True)
    Next
End Function

'===============  END OF CODE =============================================






-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tony Septav
Sent: Thursday, 8 November 2012 6:16 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Flickering

Hey Rocky
As I mentioned to Charlotte, I may have to rebuild the form (not looking forward to it) step by step to see what is causing this problem. I never seen this before.

Thanks for your input.

Tony Septav
Nanaimo, BC
Canada

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: November-07-12 1:08 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Flickering

I found this happening when the label was not associated with the control.
You can test it by rolling over a label and see if you get the flicker.  If so, select the label, Cut it (ctrl-X), select the control, and paste
(ctrl-V)  The label will now be attached to the control.  Mouse over the label and see if you still get flicker. 

No guarantees that's what problem you have, but that's how I solved one of my flicker problems.

Rocky


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tony Septav
Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2012 10:45 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Flickering

Hey All

I have a form which contains a tab with 2 pages. If I move the mouse cursor back and forth over the tabs, the controls/buttons sometimes not always will flicker/flash. Has anyone experienced this and possible found a way to stop it?

 

Thanks 

Tony Septav

Nanaimo, BC 

Canada

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From TSeptav at Uniserve.com  Wed Nov  7 17:01:23 2012
From: TSeptav at Uniserve.com (Tony Septav)
Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2012 17:01:23 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Flickering
In-Reply-To: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B53434D0C7@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <201211072301.qA7N1PbV029844@databaseadvisors.com>

Hey Darryl
Will try it in the morning. Still concerned about what causes the problem.
As I mentioned I have never seen it before now.

Thanks kindly for the code.

Tony Septav
Nanaimo, BC
Canada

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darryl Collins
Sent: November-07-12 4:10 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Flickering

Tony,

Try the following code - it was written for .mdb versions - I have never
used it in accdb.  It automatically fixes up the flicker if it is caused by
labels.

Cheers
Darryl




'==================== CODE STARTS HERE ===========================

Option Compare Database
Option Explicit

'The code below loops through all the controls on a form and locates the
labels
'that have a tab page as their parent.
'It changes the ControlType to text box, assigns the label's Caption to the
'text box's ControlSource, and sets the Enabled, Locked,
'and BackColor so the text box looks and behaves like a label.
'
'To use it to fix a form named "MyForm":
'
'Open a new module (Modules tab of Database window).
'Paste in the code.
'Open the Immediate Window (Ctrl+G), and enter:
'    Print ConvertLabelOnTabPage("frmPAI")
'The function lists to the Immediate Window the names of any labels
'that were converted.
'
'To fix all the forms in an Access 2003 database, enter:
'    Print FixAllForms()
'
'Warnings:
'
'This solution is not suitable if your application uses labels as
'quazi-buttons for the user to click. Since a disabled text box cannot
'be clicked, these "labels" would become inoperative.
'
'Backup your mdb before use. This code saves the changes without
confirmation.

'-------------------------------------------------------------------------

Function ConvertLabelOnTabPage(strFormName As String, _
        Optional bSaveAndClose As Boolean, Optional bHidden As Boolean)
    'Purpose:   Change unattached labels on pages of tab control into text
boxes.
    '           Avoids flicker bug under Windows XP themes.
    Dim frm As Form
    Dim ctl As Control
    Dim strName As String
    Dim strCaption As String
    Dim bytBackStyle As Byte
    Dim bChanged As Boolean
    Const strcQuote = """"
    
    'Open the form in design view
    DoCmd.OpenForm strFormName, acDesign, _
        windowmode:=IIf(bHidden, acHidden, acWindowNormal)
    Set frm = Forms(strFormName)
    
    'Find the labels whose parent is a tab page.
    For Each ctl In frm.Controls
        If ctl.ControlType = acLabel Then
            If ParentIsTabPage(ctl) Then
                bChanged = True
                strName = ctl.Name           'ctl reference will be lost.
                strCaption = ctl.Caption     'For ControlSource.
                bytBackStyle = ctl.BackStyle 'Access doesn't set this.
                'Convert it to a text box.
                ctl.ControlType = acTextBox
                'Set the text box properties.
                With frm.Controls(strName)  'ctl is now undefined.
                    .ControlSource = "=" & strcQuote & _
                        Replace(strCaption, strcQuote, strcQuote &
strcQuote) & strcQuote
                    .Enabled = False
                    .Locked = True
                    .BackStyle = bytBackStyle
                End With
            End If
        End If
    Next
    
    Set ctl = Nothing
    Set frm = Nothing
    If Not bChanged Then
        DoCmd.Close acForm, strFormName, acSaveNo
    ElseIf bSaveAndClose Then
        DoCmd.Close acForm, strFormName, acSaveYes
    End If
End Function

Private Function ParentIsTabPage(ctl As Control) As Boolean
    On Error Resume Next
    ParentIsTabPage = (ctl.Parent.ControlType = acPage)
End Function

Function FixAllForms()
    'Purpose:   Run ConvertLabelOnTabPage() for ALL forms in this database.
    'Warning:   Saves changes without confirmation.

    Dim accobj As AccessObject
    For Each accobj In CurrentProject.AllForms
        Call ConvertLabelOnTabPage(accobj.Name, True, True)
    Next
End Function

'===============  END OF CODE =============================================






-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tony Septav
Sent: Thursday, 8 November 2012 6:16 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Flickering

Hey Rocky
As I mentioned to Charlotte, I may have to rebuild the form (not looking
forward to it) step by step to see what is causing this problem. I never
seen this before.

Thanks for your input.

Tony Septav
Nanaimo, BC
Canada

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: November-07-12 1:08 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Flickering

I found this happening when the label was not associated with the control.
You can test it by rolling over a label and see if you get the flicker.  If
so, select the label, Cut it (ctrl-X), select the control, and paste
(ctrl-V)  The label will now be attached to the control.  Mouse over the
label and see if you still get flicker. 

No guarantees that's what problem you have, but that's how I solved one of
my flicker problems.

Rocky


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tony Septav
Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2012 10:45 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Flickering

Hey All

I have a form which contains a tab with 2 pages. If I move the mouse cursor
back and forth over the tabs, the controls/buttons sometimes not always will
flicker/flash. Has anyone experienced this and possible found a way to stop
it?

 

Thanks 

Tony Septav

Nanaimo, BC 

Canada

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From marksimms at verizon.net  Wed Nov  7 17:06:52 2012
From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms)
Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2012 18:06:52 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Access Services changed in 2013 release
In-Reply-To: <50988FBF.4070401@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <50988FBF.4070401@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <00a801cdbd3c$9394eab0$babec010$@net>

http://dmoffat.wordpress.com/2009/11/06/access-2010-and-sharepoint-welcome-t
o-the-hybrid-access-application/
Interesting comments here.....looks like MSFT made another drastic change to
the hybrid model.




From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au  Wed Nov  7 17:09:29 2012
From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins)
Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2012 23:09:29 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Flickering
In-Reply-To: <201211072301.qA7N1PbV029844@databaseadvisors.com>
References: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B53434D0C7@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
	<201211072301.qA7N1PbV029844@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B53434D19B@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>

Good luck, I hope this is of some use.

I used to get this issue a lot on control heavy forms. Very common on Tabbed forms - assuming it is the issue being caused by labels.  This code will fix the issue, although as per the instructions make sure you back it up first.  You can update a single form or all forms.

Cheers
Darryl




-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tony Septav
Sent: Thursday, 8 November 2012 10:01 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Flickering

Hey Darryl
Will try it in the morning. Still concerned about what causes the problem.
As I mentioned I have never seen it before now.

Thanks kindly for the code.

Tony Septav
Nanaimo, BC
Canada

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darryl Collins
Sent: November-07-12 4:10 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Flickering

Tony,

Try the following code - it was written for .mdb versions - I have never used it in accdb.  It automatically fixes up the flicker if it is caused by labels.

Cheers
Darryl




'==================== CODE STARTS HERE ===========================

Option Compare Database
Option Explicit

'The code below loops through all the controls on a form and locates the labels 'that have a tab page as their parent.
'It changes the ControlType to text box, assigns the label's Caption to the 'text box's ControlSource, and sets the Enabled, Locked, 'and BackColor so the text box looks and behaves like a label.
'
'To use it to fix a form named "MyForm":
'
'Open a new module (Modules tab of Database window).
'Paste in the code.
'Open the Immediate Window (Ctrl+G), and enter:
'    Print ConvertLabelOnTabPage("frmPAI")
'The function lists to the Immediate Window the names of any labels 'that were converted.
'
'To fix all the forms in an Access 2003 database, enter:
'    Print FixAllForms()
'
'Warnings:
'
'This solution is not suitable if your application uses labels as 'quazi-buttons for the user to click. Since a disabled text box cannot 'be clicked, these "labels" would become inoperative.
'
'Backup your mdb before use. This code saves the changes without confirmation.

'-------------------------------------------------------------------------

Function ConvertLabelOnTabPage(strFormName As String, _
        Optional bSaveAndClose As Boolean, Optional bHidden As Boolean)
    'Purpose:   Change unattached labels on pages of tab control into text
boxes.
    '           Avoids flicker bug under Windows XP themes.
    Dim frm As Form
    Dim ctl As Control
    Dim strName As String
    Dim strCaption As String
    Dim bytBackStyle As Byte
    Dim bChanged As Boolean
    Const strcQuote = """"
    
    'Open the form in design view
    DoCmd.OpenForm strFormName, acDesign, _
        windowmode:=IIf(bHidden, acHidden, acWindowNormal)
    Set frm = Forms(strFormName)
    
    'Find the labels whose parent is a tab page.
    For Each ctl In frm.Controls
        If ctl.ControlType = acLabel Then
            If ParentIsTabPage(ctl) Then
                bChanged = True
                strName = ctl.Name           'ctl reference will be lost.
                strCaption = ctl.Caption     'For ControlSource.
                bytBackStyle = ctl.BackStyle 'Access doesn't set this.
                'Convert it to a text box.
                ctl.ControlType = acTextBox
                'Set the text box properties.
                With frm.Controls(strName)  'ctl is now undefined.
                    .ControlSource = "=" & strcQuote & _
                        Replace(strCaption, strcQuote, strcQuote &
strcQuote) & strcQuote
                    .Enabled = False
                    .Locked = True
                    .BackStyle = bytBackStyle
                End With
            End If
        End If
    Next
    
    Set ctl = Nothing
    Set frm = Nothing
    If Not bChanged Then
        DoCmd.Close acForm, strFormName, acSaveNo
    ElseIf bSaveAndClose Then
        DoCmd.Close acForm, strFormName, acSaveYes
    End If
End Function

Private Function ParentIsTabPage(ctl As Control) As Boolean
    On Error Resume Next
    ParentIsTabPage = (ctl.Parent.ControlType = acPage) End Function

Function FixAllForms()
    'Purpose:   Run ConvertLabelOnTabPage() for ALL forms in this database.
    'Warning:   Saves changes without confirmation.

    Dim accobj As AccessObject
    For Each accobj In CurrentProject.AllForms
        Call ConvertLabelOnTabPage(accobj.Name, True, True)
    Next
End Function

'===============  END OF CODE =============================================






-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tony Septav
Sent: Thursday, 8 November 2012 6:16 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Flickering

Hey Rocky
As I mentioned to Charlotte, I may have to rebuild the form (not looking forward to it) step by step to see what is causing this problem. I never seen this before.

Thanks for your input.

Tony Septav
Nanaimo, BC
Canada

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: November-07-12 1:08 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Flickering

I found this happening when the label was not associated with the control.
You can test it by rolling over a label and see if you get the flicker.  If so, select the label, Cut it (ctrl-X), select the control, and paste
(ctrl-V)  The label will now be attached to the control.  Mouse over the label and see if you still get flicker. 

No guarantees that's what problem you have, but that's how I solved one of my flicker problems.

Rocky


-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tony Septav
Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2012 10:45 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Flickering

Hey All

I have a form which contains a tab with 2 pages. If I move the mouse cursor back and forth over the tabs, the controls/buttons sometimes not always will flicker/flash. Has anyone experienced this and possible found a way to stop it?

 

Thanks 

Tony Septav

Nanaimo, BC 

Canada

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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed Nov  7 22:51:13 2012
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2012 23:51:13 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] =?windows-1252?q?Troy_Hunt=3A_Scamming_the_scammers_=96?=
 =?windows-1252?q?_catching_the_virus_call_centre_scammers_red-handed?=
Message-ID: <509B3A41.5010607@colbyconsulting.com>

Interesting read.

http://www.troyhunt.com/2012/02/scamming-scammers-catching-virus-call.html

and

http://www.troyhunt.com/2012/05/interview-with-man-behind-comantra-cold.html

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From jimdettman at verizon.net  Fri Nov  9 06:48:52 2012
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2012 07:48:52 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Access Services changed in 2013 release
In-Reply-To: <00a801cdbd3c$9394eab0$babec010$@net>
References: <50988FBF.4070401@colbyconsulting.com>
	<00a801cdbd3c$9394eab0$babec010$@net>
Message-ID: <DA097FAB17A8418B9FFB150A3DEAF1AD@XPS>


 Unless I've really missed the point of something, he's totally off-base
with that article. 

"In the end Access 2010 provides the existing Access developer with a path
upwards to the wonderful Browser-based world without giving up any of the
capabilities of the Client version of Access"

 That's true only if you maintain a "desktop" style app.  To publish to
SharePoint, it must be a web database and that's the only thing you can use
in the browser.  Web databases have limited functionality in terms of forms
and events, and only a limited Marco set is available.  Reporting is not
available in a web database either, so I'm not sure why he's talking about
moving forms and reports to the web.

 I'll have to read through it again when I have time, but it seems way
off-base to me.

Jim.

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Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2012 06:07 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Access Services changed in 2013 release

http://dmoffat.wordpress.com/2009/11/06/access-2010-and-sharepoint-welcome-t
o-the-hybrid-access-application/
Interesting comments here.....looks like MSFT made another drastic change to
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Fri Nov  9 07:07:44 2012
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2012 14:07:44 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Access Services changed in 2013 release
Message-ID: <009501cdbe7b$353c6de0$9fb549a0$@cactus.dk>

Hi Jim

I'll stress it; I didn't understand the article at all. Further, it is so
old that it can't (and doesn't) have any relation to the 2013 release.
Mark? Too many beers?

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Jim Dettman
Sendt: 9. november 2012 13:49
Til: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Emne: Re: [AccessD] Access Services changed in 2013 release


 Unless I've really missed the point of something, he's totally off-base
with that article. 

"In the end Access 2010 provides the existing Access developer with a path
upwards to the wonderful Browser-based world without giving up any of the
capabilities of the Client version of Access"

 That's true only if you maintain a "desktop" style app.  To publish to
SharePoint, it must be a web database and that's the only thing you can use
in the browser.  Web databases have limited functionality in terms of forms
and events, and only a limited Marco set is available.  Reporting is not
available in a web database either, so I'm not sure why he's talking about
moving forms and reports to the web.

 I'll have to read through it again when I have time, but it seems way
off-base to me.

Jim.

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Simms
Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2012 06:07 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Access Services changed in 2013 release

http://dmoffat.wordpress.com/2009/11/06/access-2010-and-sharepoint-welcome-t
o-the-hybrid-access-application/
Interesting comments here.....looks like MSFT made another drastic change to
the hybrid model.



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From marksimms at verizon.net  Fri Nov  9 11:09:54 2012
From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms)
Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2012 12:09:54 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Access Services changed in 2013 release
In-Reply-To: <009501cdbe7b$353c6de0$9fb549a0$@cactus.dk>
References: <009501cdbe7b$353c6de0$9fb549a0$@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <00a501cdbe9d$0a575190$1f05f4b0$@net>

No, you missed that last post about the 2013 changes. It's a long
blog....and one of the reasons I kinda hate blogging.
Blogs need to be short articles that are properly catalogued and
cross-referenced.

Agreed - with no powerful language support, those apps are toys.
Why Microsoft didn't go with full Javascript support and a VBA to Javascript
translator is beyond me.
That's a no brainer. Then again, I don't see much in the way of clear
thinking coming from Redmond any more.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-
> bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
> Sent: Friday, November 09, 2012 8:08 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access Services changed in 2013 release
>
> Hi Jim
>
> I'll stress it; I didn't understand the article at all. Further, it is
> so
> old that it can't (and doesn't) have any relation to the 2013 release.
> Mark? Too many beers?
>
> /gustav
>
> -----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
> Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Jim Dettman
> Sendt: 9. november 2012 13:49
> Til: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Emne: Re: [AccessD] Access Services changed in 2013 release
>
>
>  Unless I've really missed the point of something, he's totally off-
> base
> with that article.
>
> "In the end Access 2010 provides the existing Access developer with a
> path
> upwards to the wonderful Browser-based world without giving up any of
> the
> capabilities of the Client version of Access"
>
>  That's true only if you maintain a "desktop" style app.  To publish to
> SharePoint, it must be a web database and that's the only thing you can
> use
> in the browser.  Web databases have limited functionality in terms of
> forms
> and events, and only a limited Marco set is available.  Reporting is
> not
> available in a web database either, so I'm not sure why he's talking
> about
> moving forms and reports to the web.
>
>  I'll have to read through it again when I have time, but it seems way
> off-base to me.
>
> Jim.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Simms
> Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2012 06:07 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: [AccessD] Access Services changed in 2013 release
>
> http://dmoffat.wordpress.com/2009/11/06/access-2010-and-sharepoint-
> welcome-t
> o-the-hybrid-access-application/
> Interesting comments here.....looks like MSFT made another drastic
> change to
> the hybrid model.
>
>
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Nov  9 11:26:26 2012
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2012 12:26:26 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] I missed this one - LSI buys sandforce
Message-ID: <509D3CC2.7090700@colbyconsulting.com>

http://thessdreview.com/daily-news/latest-buzz/lsi-purchase-of-sandforce-our-discussion-with-vp-gary-smerdon/

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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Fri Nov  9 15:40:33 2012
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2012 22:40:33 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Access Services changed in 2013 release
Message-ID: <s09d867e.021@cactus.dk>

Hi Mark

Right. I missed that, sorry,

/gustav

>>> marksimms at verizon.net 09-11-12 18:09 >>>
No, you missed that last post about the 2013 changes. It's a long
blog....and one of the reasons I kinda hate blogging.
Blogs need to be short articles that are properly catalogued and
cross-referenced.

Agreed - with no powerful language support, those apps are toys.
Why Microsoft didn't go with full Javascript support and a VBA to Javascript
translator is beyond me.
That's a no brainer. Then again, I don't see much in the way of clear
thinking coming from Redmond any more.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-
> bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
> Sent: Friday, November 09, 2012 8:08 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access Services changed in 2013 release
>
> Hi Jim
>
> I'll stress it; I didn't understand the article at all. Further, it is
> so
> old that it can't (and doesn't) have any relation to the 2013 release.
> Mark? Too many beers?
>
> /gustav
>
> -----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
> Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Jim Dettman
> Sendt: 9. november 2012 13:49
> Til: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Emne: Re: [AccessD] Access Services changed in 2013 release
>
>
>  Unless I've really missed the point of something, he's totally off-
> base
> with that article.
>
> "In the end Access 2010 provides the existing Access developer with a
> path
> upwards to the wonderful Browser-based world without giving up any of
> the
> capabilities of the Client version of Access"
>
>  That's true only if you maintain a "desktop" style app.  To publish to
> SharePoint, it must be a web database and that's the only thing you can
> use
> in the browser.  Web databases have limited functionality in terms of
> forms
> and events, and only a limited Marco set is available.  Reporting is
> not
> available in a web database either, so I'm not sure why he's talking
> about
> moving forms and reports to the web.
>
>  I'll have to read through it again when I have time, but it seems way
> off-base to me.
>
> Jim.


From accessd at shaw.ca  Fri Nov  9 16:19:45 2012
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2012 14:19:45 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Access Services changed in 2013 release
In-Reply-To: <00a501cdbe9d$0a575190$1f05f4b0$@net>
References: <009501cdbe7b$353c6de0$9fb549a0$@cactus.dk>
	<00a501cdbe9d$0a575190$1f05f4b0$@net>
Message-ID: <593EB7C5B56B4EC1BA08FDD5DE2F7BF2@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Hi Mark:

But there you go again thinking like a developer. As a mature company they
have a tendency to view programmer as little more than an abstraction layer.


Their focus is on the Sales staff and consumers and their hope one day is to
remove the requirement for developers all together. Why would they encourage
them? In addition, allowing programmers to create and develop in some OSS
language is totally against their philosophy. Why do you think that MS has
fought so hard to make their browser incompatible?

You have to look to new areas, like Microsoft's new products with
proprietary development languages or new startup type companies that are
looking for external developers to grow their businesses.

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Simms
Sent: Friday, November 09, 2012 9:10 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access Services changed in 2013 release

No, you missed that last post about the 2013 changes. It's a long
blog....and one of the reasons I kinda hate blogging.
Blogs need to be short articles that are properly catalogued and
cross-referenced.

Agreed - with no powerful language support, those apps are toys.
Why Microsoft didn't go with full Javascript support and a VBA to Javascript
translator is beyond me.
That's a no brainer. Then again, I don't see much in the way of clear
thinking coming from Redmond any more.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-
> bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
> Sent: Friday, November 09, 2012 8:08 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access Services changed in 2013 release
>
> Hi Jim
>
> I'll stress it; I didn't understand the article at all. Further, it is
> so
> old that it can't (and doesn't) have any relation to the 2013 release.
> Mark? Too many beers?
>
> /gustav
>
> -----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
> Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] Pe vegne af Jim Dettman
> Sendt: 9. november 2012 13:49
> Til: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Emne: Re: [AccessD] Access Services changed in 2013 release
>
>
>  Unless I've really missed the point of something, he's totally off-
> base
> with that article.
>
> "In the end Access 2010 provides the existing Access developer with a
> path
> upwards to the wonderful Browser-based world without giving up any of
> the
> capabilities of the Client version of Access"
>
>  That's true only if you maintain a "desktop" style app.  To publish to
> SharePoint, it must be a web database and that's the only thing you can
> use
> in the browser.  Web databases have limited functionality in terms of
> forms
> and events, and only a limited Marco set is available.  Reporting is
> not
> available in a web database either, so I'm not sure why he's talking
> about
> moving forms and reports to the web.
>
>  I'll have to read through it again when I have time, but it seems way
> off-base to me.
>
> Jim.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Simms
> Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2012 06:07 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: [AccessD] Access Services changed in 2013 release
>
> http://dmoffat.wordpress.com/2009/11/06/access-2010-and-sharepoint-
> welcome-t
> o-the-hybrid-access-application/
> Interesting comments here.....looks like MSFT made another drastic
> change to
> the hybrid model.
>
>
>
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From newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz  Fri Nov  9 16:44:14 2012
From: newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz (David Emerson)
Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2012 11:44:14 +1300
Subject: [AccessD] Raising Error in Function
Message-ID: <004a01cdbecb$beaa4200$3bfec600$@dalyn.co.nz>

No replies from the SQL group so I thought I would try here.

 

I have the following function in SQL 2012:

 

create FUNCTION [dbo].[fnLegStatusToBookingEventStatus]

            (

                        @LegStatus varchar(10)

            )

            RETURNS int

AS 

            BEGIN 

 

                        DECLARE @BookingEventStatus int

 

                        SELECT @BookingEventStatus = 

                                    CASE

                                                WHEN @LegStatus = 'ACTV'
THEN 0

                                                WHEN @legStatus = 'CANX' OR
@LegStatus = 'RFND' THEN 1

                                                ELSE -1

                                    END

 

                                    IF @BookingEventStatus = -1 

                                                RAISERROR('No list found
with name %s', 16, 1, @LegStatus)

                        

                        RETURN(@BookingEventStatus) 

            END

 

When I try to execute it I get the following error:

 

Invalid use of a side-effecting operator 'RAISERROR' within a function.

 

Is it possible to raise an error within a function?  I would like to have
some warning if @LegStatus is not one of the items in the Case statement.

 

If I can only use a stored procedure the how can I call it from within a
statement such as:

 

      SELECT dbo.fnLegStatusToBookingEventStatus(legtostatus) AS Status,
scID AS SourceRecordId

      FROM dbo.ttmpTranzImportBooking

 

Regards

David Emerson
Dalyn Software Ltd
Wellington, New Zealand

 

 

 


From davidmcafee at gmail.com  Fri Nov  9 17:03:25 2012
From: davidmcafee at gmail.com (David McAfee)
Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2012 15:03:25 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Raising Error in Function
In-Reply-To: <004a01cdbecb$beaa4200$3bfec600$@dalyn.co.nz>
References: <004a01cdbecb$beaa4200$3bfec600$@dalyn.co.nz>
Message-ID: <CAMhYZWbEVdX863QXXJkD1Q-TrZbrpbSmkUnd+THbPU2sKrQxbA@mail.gmail.com>

I don't think you can raise an error in a function.

Why don't you you do the case statement in the actual sproc or view?

I'd actually make a table and left join it in.

I have a sproc that actually takes an input parameter delimited by a
character and returns a table.
You can use something like that, but I still think a real table would work
better.

Here's the function that I was talking about:

CREATE FUNCTION [dbo].[udfListToTable]
(@HList VarChar(1000), @Delimiter CHAR(1))
RETURNS @ListTable TABLE (Mystr VARCHAR(20))
AS
BEGIN
    --Purpose: To convert a Comma delimited text to a Temp Variable table
To help avoid dynamic sql
    --         Instead you can join the temp table or use it in your where
clause if a field is IN the subquery
    DECLARE @Mystrtext as VarChar(20)

    IF RIGHT(RTRIM(@HLIST),1) <>@Delimiter
        SET @HList = @HList + @Delimiter

    WHILE CHARINDEX(@Delimiter, @HList) > 0
    BEGIN
        IF CHARINDEX(@Delimiter, @HList) > 0
           BEGIN
            SELECT @Mystrtext =
LEFT(@HList, CHARINDEX(@Delimiter, @HList)-1)
           END
        ELSE
           BEGIN
             SELECT @Mystrtext = RTRIM(LTRIM(@HList))
           END
        --Insert into Variable Table
        INSERT INTO @ListTable(Mystr)
               SELECT RTRIM(LTRIM(@Mystrtext))
        --Remove Item from list
        SELECT @HList = RIGHT(RTRIM(@HList), LEN(RTRIM(@HList)) -
CHARINDEX(@Delimiter, @HList))
    END
    RETURN
END


--Call the function in this manner:
--SELECT * FROM dbo.udfListToTable('jim,joe,bob,tom',',')



On Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 2:44 PM, David Emerson <newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz> wrote:

> No replies from the SQL group so I thought I would try here.
>
>
>

From newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz  Fri Nov  9 17:11:34 2012
From: newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz (David Emerson)
Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2012 12:11:34 +1300
Subject: [AccessD] Raising Error in Function
In-Reply-To: <CAMhYZWbEVdX863QXXJkD1Q-TrZbrpbSmkUnd+THbPU2sKrQxbA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <004a01cdbecb$beaa4200$3bfec600$@dalyn.co.nz>
	<CAMhYZWbEVdX863QXXJkD1Q-TrZbrpbSmkUnd+THbPU2sKrQxbA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <005401cdbecf$9058aa50$b109fef0$@dalyn.co.nz>

Thanks for the feedback.

The reason for not including it direct in the sproc is that it applies a
number of places in the database and having it in one place means that there
is only one place to update when new items are added.

David

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of David McAfee
Sent: Saturday, 10 November 2012 12:03 p.m.
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Raising Error in Function

I don't think you can raise an error in a function.

Why don't you you do the case statement in the actual sproc or view?

I'd actually make a table and left join it in.

I have a sproc that actually takes an input parameter delimited by a
character and returns a table.
You can use something like that, but I still think a real table would work
better.

Here's the function that I was talking about:

CREATE FUNCTION [dbo].[udfListToTable]
(@HList VarChar(1000), @Delimiter CHAR(1)) RETURNS @ListTable TABLE (Mystr
VARCHAR(20)) AS BEGIN
    --Purpose: To convert a Comma delimited text to a Temp Variable table To
help avoid dynamic sql
    --         Instead you can join the temp table or use it in your where
clause if a field is IN the subquery
    DECLARE @Mystrtext as VarChar(20)

    IF RIGHT(RTRIM(@HLIST),1) <>@Delimiter
        SET @HList = @HList + @Delimiter

    WHILE CHARINDEX(@Delimiter, @HList) > 0
    BEGIN
        IF CHARINDEX(@Delimiter, @HList) > 0
           BEGIN
            SELECT @Mystrtext =
LEFT(@HList, CHARINDEX(@Delimiter, @HList)-1)
           END
        ELSE
           BEGIN
             SELECT @Mystrtext = RTRIM(LTRIM(@HList))
           END
        --Insert into Variable Table
        INSERT INTO @ListTable(Mystr)
               SELECT RTRIM(LTRIM(@Mystrtext))
        --Remove Item from list
        SELECT @HList = RIGHT(RTRIM(@HList), LEN(RTRIM(@HList)) -
CHARINDEX(@Delimiter, @HList))
    END
    RETURN
END


--Call the function in this manner:
--SELECT * FROM dbo.udfListToTable('jim,joe,bob,tom',',')



On Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 2:44 PM, David Emerson <newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz> wrote:

> No replies from the SQL group so I thought I would try here.
>
>
>
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Fri Nov  9 20:08:28 2012
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2012 18:08:28 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Raising Error in Function
In-Reply-To: <004a01cdbecb$beaa4200$3bfec600$@dalyn.co.nz>
References: <004a01cdbecb$beaa4200$3bfec600$@dalyn.co.nz>
Message-ID: <134E6185EE7F40EB938CFC935DB53A55@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Can you get the 'Raise error' response to work by itself and/or work with
another function?

Is the function caller setup to receive and manage the error response?

Jim  

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of David Emerson
Sent: Friday, November 09, 2012 2:44 PM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] Raising Error in Function

No replies from the SQL group so I thought I would try here.

 

I have the following function in SQL 2012:

 

create FUNCTION [dbo].[fnLegStatusToBookingEventStatus]

            (

                        @LegStatus varchar(10)

            )

            RETURNS int

AS 

            BEGIN 

 

                        DECLARE @BookingEventStatus int

 

                        SELECT @BookingEventStatus = 

                                    CASE

                                                WHEN @LegStatus = 'ACTV'
THEN 0

                                                WHEN @legStatus = 'CANX' OR
@LegStatus = 'RFND' THEN 1

                                                ELSE -1

                                    END

 

                                    IF @BookingEventStatus = -1 

                                                RAISERROR('No list found
with name %s', 16, 1, @LegStatus)

                        

                        RETURN(@BookingEventStatus) 

            END

 

When I try to execute it I get the following error:

 

Invalid use of a side-effecting operator 'RAISERROR' within a function.

 

Is it possible to raise an error within a function?  I would like to have
some warning if @LegStatus is not one of the items in the Case statement.

 

If I can only use a stored procedure the how can I call it from within a
statement such as:

 

      SELECT dbo.fnLegStatusToBookingEventStatus(legtostatus) AS Status,
scID AS SourceRecordId

      FROM dbo.ttmpTranzImportBooking

 

Regards

David Emerson
Dalyn Software Ltd
Wellington, New Zealand

 

 

 

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From newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz  Fri Nov  9 21:14:51 2012
From: newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz (David Emerson)
Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2012 16:14:51 +1300
Subject: [AccessD] Raising Error in Function
In-Reply-To: <134E6185EE7F40EB938CFC935DB53A55@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <004a01cdbecb$beaa4200$3bfec600$@dalyn.co.nz>
	<134E6185EE7F40EB938CFC935DB53A55@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <005601cdbef1$8c80f5f0$a582e1d0$@dalyn.co.nz>

Hi Jim,

I can get the Raise error response to work with stored procedures but not
functions.

I am not able to even save the function if it has the raise error line in it
(and hence not able to call it from a sproc)

David

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Saturday, 10 November 2012 3:08 p.m.
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Raising Error in Function

Can you get the 'Raise error' response to work by itself and/or work with
another function?

Is the function caller setup to receive and manage the error response?

Jim  

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of David Emerson
Sent: Friday, November 09, 2012 2:44 PM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] Raising Error in Function

No replies from the SQL group so I thought I would try here.

 

I have the following function in SQL 2012:

 

create FUNCTION [dbo].[fnLegStatusToBookingEventStatus]

            (

                        @LegStatus varchar(10)

            )

            RETURNS int

AS 

            BEGIN 

 

                        DECLARE @BookingEventStatus int

 

                        SELECT @BookingEventStatus = 

                                    CASE

                                                WHEN @LegStatus = 'ACTV'
THEN 0

                                                WHEN @legStatus = 'CANX' OR
@LegStatus = 'RFND' THEN 1

                                                ELSE -1

                                    END

 

                                    IF @BookingEventStatus = -1 

                                                RAISERROR('No list found
with name %s', 16, 1, @LegStatus)

                        

                        RETURN(@BookingEventStatus) 

            END

 

When I try to execute it I get the following error:

 

Invalid use of a side-effecting operator 'RAISERROR' within a function.

 

Is it possible to raise an error within a function?  I would like to have
some warning if @LegStatus is not one of the items in the Case statement.

 

If I can only use a stored procedure the how can I call it from within a
statement such as:

 

      SELECT dbo.fnLegStatusToBookingEventStatus(legtostatus) AS Status,
scID AS SourceRecordId

      FROM dbo.ttmpTranzImportBooking

 

Regards

David Emerson
Dalyn Software Ltd
Wellington, New Zealand

 

 

 

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From BradM at blackforestltd.com  Sat Nov 10 07:24:08 2012
From: BradM at blackforestltd.com (Brad Marks)
Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2012 07:24:08 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Question on Refreshing Data on Access 2007 Report (with
	Sub-Report)
References: <B2B2CAE4B9B949EBA8F58FF91B8FAE23@stevelaptop>	<002b01cdbba5$176511b0$462f3510$@comcast.net>
	<C037659B308E4BBD8CC7A02158596D02@stevelaptop>
	<003d01cdbbc7$d03babf0$70b303d0$@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C50163B2FF@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>

All,

We have a report that is pulling data from two separate databases via ODBC (Pervasive and Firebird).

The "parent" report is pulling data from the Pervasive database and a sub-report is pulling data from the Firebird database.  This is accomplished via two separate queries.  This works very nicely.

Recently there has been a request to add a feature that would enable our Sales Staff and Customer Service Reps to specify data that would "filter" the information that they are shown on the report.

To provide this feature, I have added several buttons to the report.  Each of these buttons opens up a little form which is used to obtain the string that the users would like to use for their filter.  When the button on the "Filter Form" is pushed, a VBA routine is invoked.  This VBA routine changes the query-defs of the two underlying queries.  If I look at the underlying queries, I can see that they are being changed correctly and they are returning the data correctly.

The catch is that the data shown on the report is not automatically changed.  I thought that invoking a "Requery" would refresh the data on the report after the data returned by the changed queries has been updated but it does not do so.

The only way that I have been able to get this to work is to close and re-open the report after the two query defs have been changed by the VBA code.  This works, but I am curious if there is a better solution.

Thanks,
Brad  


From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Sat Nov 10 09:44:40 2012
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2012 10:44:40 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Question on Refreshing Data on Access 2007 Report
	(with Sub-Report)
In-Reply-To: <E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C50163B2FF@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
References: <B2B2CAE4B9B949EBA8F58FF91B8FAE23@stevelaptop>
	<002b01cdbba5$176511b0$462f3510$@comcast.net>
	<C037659B308E4BBD8CC7A02158596D02@stevelaptop>
	<003d01cdbbc7$d03babf0$70b303d0$@comcast.net>
	<E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C50163B2FF@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1gRL37AtQdCsMXre4FmqDLvHqq_MiqbmUuNxJHsEo607w@mail.gmail.com>

I guess it's a matter of opinion, but I think that your "logical sequence"
is wrong. Instead of adding buttons to the report, each opening a small
form, I would begin with a form containing the buttons, plus a
Print/Preview button. That way, the user could filter on more than one
criterion, or skip the filtering and simply hit Print. Also, the user could
close the preview window and be returned to the Filtering window, to make
new choices, and then you could open the report again.

Arthur


On Sat, Nov 10, 2012 at 8:24 AM, Brad Marks <BradM at blackforestltd.com>wrote:

> All,
>
> We have a report that is pulling data from two separate databases via ODBC
> (Pervasive and Firebird).
>
> The "parent" report is pulling data from the Pervasive database and a
> sub-report is pulling data from the Firebird database.  This is
> accomplished via two separate queries.  This works very nicely.
>
> Recently there has been a request to add a feature that would enable our
> Sales Staff and Customer Service Reps to specify data that would "filter"
> the information that they are shown on the report.
>
> To provide this feature, I have added several buttons to the report.  Each
> of these buttons opens up a little form which is used to obtain the string
> that the users would like to use for their filter.  When the button on the
> "Filter Form" is pushed, a VBA routine is invoked.  This VBA routine
> changes the query-defs of the two underlying queries.  If I look at the
> underlying queries, I can see that they are being changed correctly and
> they are returning the data correctly.
>
> The catch is that the data shown on the report is not automatically
> changed.  I thought that invoking a "Requery" would refresh the data on the
> report after the data returned by the changed queries has been updated but
> it does not do so.
>
> The only way that I have been able to get this to work is to close and
> re-open the report after the two query defs have been changed by the VBA
> code.  This works, but I am curious if there is a better solution.
>
> Thanks,
> Brad
>
>
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>


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From accessd at shaw.ca  Sat Nov 10 11:46:43 2012
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2012 09:46:43 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Question on Refreshing Data on Access 2007 Report
	(withSub-Report)
In-Reply-To: <E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C50163B2FF@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
References: <B2B2CAE4B9B949EBA8F58FF91B8FAE23@stevelaptop>	<002b01cdbba5$176511b0$462f3510$@comcast.net><C037659B308E4BBD8CC7A02158596D02@stevelaptop><003d01cdbbc7$d03babf0$70b303d0$@comcast.net>
	<E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C50163B2FF@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
Message-ID: <80673D4BC89A412287E659580070DBD1@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Hi Brad:

Have done a similar thing with two (multiple) data sources; MS SQL, MySQL,
Dbase, Spreadsheet Text and Access for example. 

A dummy or empty table that sadisfies the report's field requirement is
first designed. That will be used as a template.

When the data is brought back from the two sources, the data is dumped in a
couple of static recordsets and folded together into one recordset. In some
cases a the process can be done via a union query and in others via a
program. When that process is completed the report's record source property
is refereshed (replaced in code) and the new report then repopulates. This
process works great even when back to back reports are required. 

The following link is not exactly what you requested but it is an example of
program bases report repopulations that works in a multi-user environment
using a function that repopulates the report that is called from within the
report itself. 

http://www.databaseadvisors.com/newsletters/newsletter112003/0311UnboundRepo
rts.asp

The code sample may help and be able to be adapted to your requirements.

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brad Marks
Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2012 5:24 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Question on Refreshing Data on Access 2007 Report
(withSub-Report)

All,

We have a report that is pulling data from two separate databases via ODBC
(Pervasive and Firebird).

The "parent" report is pulling data from the Pervasive database and a
sub-report is pulling data from the Firebird database.  This is accomplished
via two separate queries.  This works very nicely.

Recently there has been a request to add a feature that would enable our
Sales Staff and Customer Service Reps to specify data that would "filter"
the information that they are shown on the report.

To provide this feature, I have added several buttons to the report.  Each
of these buttons opens up a little form which is used to obtain the string
that the users would like to use for their filter.  When the button on the
"Filter Form" is pushed, a VBA routine is invoked.  This VBA routine changes
the query-defs of the two underlying queries.  If I look at the underlying
queries, I can see that they are being changed correctly and they are
returning the data correctly.

The catch is that the data shown on the report is not automatically changed.
I thought that invoking a "Requery" would refresh the data on the report
after the data returned by the changed queries has been updated but it does
not do so.

The only way that I have been able to get this to work is to close and
re-open the report after the two query defs have been changed by the VBA
code.  This works, but I am curious if there is a better solution.

Thanks,
Brad  



From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Sun Nov 11 10:39:42 2012
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2012 11:39:42 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Question on Refreshing Data on Access 2007 Report
	(withSub-Report)
In-Reply-To: <80673D4BC89A412287E659580070DBD1@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <B2B2CAE4B9B949EBA8F58FF91B8FAE23@stevelaptop>
	<002b01cdbba5$176511b0$462f3510$@comcast.net>
	<C037659B308E4BBD8CC7A02158596D02@stevelaptop>
	<003d01cdbbc7$d03babf0$70b303d0$@comcast.net>
	<E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C50163B2FF@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
	<80673D4BC89A412287E659580070DBD1@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1j=eqvjZDcerTfJK1vL9EC7CcfcF-DBZNAm=ZrFcWFfww@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks to Jim's reply, I had another thought, Brad. There's no real reason
why the queries for the header and footer cannot be combined into a single
query. I frequently assemble queries from other queries rather than tables.
To keep it brief, let's say you have query A, whose source in Pervasive,
and query B, whose source is Firebird. Then just create query C, whose
source is the joined queries A and B. Of course you will get multiple
occurrences of the values of the "parent" but so what? Just ignore them
when creating the subform.

I just whipped up a little tester combining data from Access and SQL 2012
and it worked. I created a simple report based on query C and called it
rptParent, then created another also based on query C and called it
rptChild. Finally I went into design mode and dropped rptChild onto
rptParent as a subform. I ran it, then requeried the parent and it worked
fine.

Perhaps that approach might work in your case. It can't hurt to give it a
shot.

HTH,
Arthur



On Sat, Nov 10, 2012 at 12:46 PM, Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:

> Hi Brad:
>
> Have done a similar thing with two (multiple) data sources; MS SQL, MySQL,
> Dbase, Spreadsheet Text and Access for example.
>
> A dummy or empty table that sadisfies the report's field requirement is
> first designed. That will be used as a template.
>
> When the data is brought back from the two sources, the data is dumped in a
> couple of static recordsets and folded together into one recordset. In some
> cases a the process can be done via a union query and in others via a
> program. When that process is completed the report's record source property
> is refereshed (replaced in code) and the new report then repopulates. This
> process works great even when back to back reports are required.
>
> The following link is not exactly what you requested but it is an example
> of
> program bases report repopulations that works in a multi-user environment
> using a function that repopulates the report that is called from within the
> report itself.
>
>
> http://www.databaseadvisors.com/newsletters/newsletter112003/0311UnboundRepo
> rts.asp
>
> The code sample may help and be able to be adapted to your requirements.
>
> Jim
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brad Marks
> Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2012 5:24 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] Question on Refreshing Data on Access 2007 Report
> (withSub-Report)
>
> All,
>
> We have a report that is pulling data from two separate databases via ODBC
> (Pervasive and Firebird).
>
> The "parent" report is pulling data from the Pervasive database and a
> sub-report is pulling data from the Firebird database.  This is
> accomplished
> via two separate queries.  This works very nicely.
>
> Recently there has been a request to add a feature that would enable our
> Sales Staff and Customer Service Reps to specify data that would "filter"
> the information that they are shown on the report.
>
> To provide this feature, I have added several buttons to the report.  Each
> of these buttons opens up a little form which is used to obtain the string
> that the users would like to use for their filter.  When the button on the
> "Filter Form" is pushed, a VBA routine is invoked.  This VBA routine
> changes
> the query-defs of the two underlying queries.  If I look at the underlying
> queries, I can see that they are being changed correctly and they are
> returning the data correctly.
>
> The catch is that the data shown on the report is not automatically
> changed.
> I thought that invoking a "Requery" would refresh the data on the report
> after the data returned by the changed queries has been updated but it does
> not do so.
>
> The only way that I have been able to get this to work is to close and
> re-open the report after the two query defs have been changed by the VBA
> code.  This works, but I am curious if there is a better solution.
>
> Thanks,
> Brad
>
>
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>



-- 
Arthur
Cell: 647.710.1314

Prediction is difficult, especially of the future.
  -- Niels Bohr

From BradM at blackforestltd.com  Mon Nov 12 13:16:03 2012
From: BradM at blackforestltd.com (Brad Marks)
Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2012 13:16:03 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Question on Refreshing Data on Access 2007
	Report(withSub-Report)
References: <B2B2CAE4B9B949EBA8F58FF91B8FAE23@stevelaptop><002b01cdbba5$176511b0$462f3510$@comcast.net><C037659B308E4BBD8CC7A02158596D02@stevelaptop><003d01cdbbc7$d03babf0$70b303d0$@comcast.net><E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C50163B2FF@blkltd.blkfst2003.local><80673D4BC89A412287E659580070DBD1@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<CAEPJO1j=eqvjZDcerTfJK1vL9EC7CcfcF-DBZNAm=ZrFcWFfww@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C501772D2D@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>

Jim and Authur,

Thanks for your help and insights.

As a result of the ideas that you posted, I have built a small test
application that has a "selection form".  This selection form gives the
users the ability to specify the criteria for about 10 fields.  They can
enter as little or as much as they want.  The selection criteria that is
entered is used by a VBA routine to build the SQL statement for the
report's underlying query.  I have shown this little test application to
5 people and they seem to like it.

Originally, all report filters were on single fields on the reports
themselves (Access 2007 "Report View").

The users liked this approach, because they could see "all" the data on
a report and then trim down the amount of data on the report by using
one of the filters.  I think that this approach was better than nothing,
but the new approach with the use of the "selection form" appears to be
much better.

Thanks again.  Your ideas have prompted me to look at things from a
different angle and the end result is far superior to what I had
provided to our users previously.

Brad
    




-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2012 10:40 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Question on Refreshing Data on Access 2007
Report(withSub-Report)

Thanks to Jim's reply, I had another thought, Brad. There's no real
reason
why the queries for the header and footer cannot be combined into a
single
query. I frequently assemble queries from other queries rather than
tables.
To keep it brief, let's say you have query A, whose source in Pervasive,
and query B, whose source is Firebird. Then just create query C, whose
source is the joined queries A and B. Of course you will get multiple
occurrences of the values of the "parent" but so what? Just ignore them
when creating the subform.

I just whipped up a little tester combining data from Access and SQL
2012
and it worked. I created a simple report based on query C and called it
rptParent, then created another also based on query C and called it
rptChild. Finally I went into design mode and dropped rptChild onto
rptParent as a subform. I ran it, then requeried the parent and it
worked
fine.

Perhaps that approach might work in your case. It can't hurt to give it
a
shot.

HTH,
Arthur



On Sat, Nov 10, 2012 at 12:46 PM, Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:

> Hi Brad:
>
> Have done a similar thing with two (multiple) data sources; MS SQL,
MySQL,
> Dbase, Spreadsheet Text and Access for example.
>
> A dummy or empty table that sadisfies the report's field requirement
is
> first designed. That will be used as a template.
>
> When the data is brought back from the two sources, the data is dumped
in a
> couple of static recordsets and folded together into one recordset. In
some
> cases a the process can be done via a union query and in others via a
> program. When that process is completed the report's record source
property
> is refereshed (replaced in code) and the new report then repopulates.
This
> process works great even when back to back reports are required.
>
> The following link is not exactly what you requested but it is an
example
> of
> program bases report repopulations that works in a multi-user
environment
> using a function that repopulates the report that is called from
within the
> report itself.
>
>
>
http://www.databaseadvisors.com/newsletters/newsletter112003/0311Unbound
Repo
> rts.asp
>
> The code sample may help and be able to be adapted to your
requirements.
>
> Jim
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brad Marks
> Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2012 5:24 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] Question on Refreshing Data on Access 2007 Report
> (withSub-Report)
>
> All,
>
> We have a report that is pulling data from two separate databases via
ODBC
> (Pervasive and Firebird).
>
> The "parent" report is pulling data from the Pervasive database and a
> sub-report is pulling data from the Firebird database.  This is
> accomplished
> via two separate queries.  This works very nicely.
>
> Recently there has been a request to add a feature that would enable
our
> Sales Staff and Customer Service Reps to specify data that would
"filter"
> the information that they are shown on the report.
>
> To provide this feature, I have added several buttons to the report.
Each
> of these buttons opens up a little form which is used to obtain the
string
> that the users would like to use for their filter.  When the button on
the
> "Filter Form" is pushed, a VBA routine is invoked.  This VBA routine
> changes
> the query-defs of the two underlying queries.  If I look at the
underlying
> queries, I can see that they are being changed correctly and they are
> returning the data correctly.
>
> The catch is that the data shown on the report is not automatically
> changed.
> I thought that invoking a "Requery" would refresh the data on the
report
> after the data returned by the changed queries has been updated but it
does
> not do so.
>
> The only way that I have been able to get this to work is to close and
> re-open the report after the two query defs have been changed by the
VBA
> code.  This works, but I am curious if there is a better solution.
>
> Thanks,
> Brad
>
>
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>



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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Nov 12 15:33:11 2012
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2012 16:33:11 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Lytro Light Field Camera Digital Camera Review -
	DigitalCamerainfo.com
Message-ID: <50A16B17.6010602@colbyconsulting.com>

Someone sent a link to the developer discussing this camera.  Here is a review.

-- 
John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it
http://www.digitalcamerainfo.com/content/Lytro-Light-Field-Camera-Digital-Camera-Review.htm


From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Mon Nov 12 16:10:48 2012
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2012 17:10:48 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Question on Refreshing Data on Access 2007
	Report(withSub-Report)
In-Reply-To: <E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C501772D2D@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
References: <B2B2CAE4B9B949EBA8F58FF91B8FAE23@stevelaptop>
	<002b01cdbba5$176511b0$462f3510$@comcast.net>
	<C037659B308E4BBD8CC7A02158596D02@stevelaptop>
	<003d01cdbbc7$d03babf0$70b303d0$@comcast.net>
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	<80673D4BC89A412287E659580070DBD1@creativesystemdesigns.com>
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Happy to be of service, Brad.
A.


On Mon, Nov 12, 2012 at 2:16 PM, Brad Marks <BradM at blackforestltd.com>wrote:

> Jim and Authur,
>
> Thanks for your help and insights.
>
> As a result of the ideas that you posted, I have built a small test
> application that has a "selection form".  This selection form gives the
> users the ability to specify the criteria for about 10 fields.  They can
> enter as little or as much as they want.  The selection criteria that is
> entered is used by a VBA routine to build the SQL statement for the
> report's underlying query.  I have shown this little test application to
> 5 people and they seem to like it.
>
> Originally, all report filters were on single fields on the reports
> themselves (Access 2007 "Report View").
>
> The users liked this approach, because they could see "all" the data on
> a report and then trim down the amount of data on the report by using
> one of the filters.  I think that this approach was better than nothing,
> but the new approach with the use of the "selection form" appears to be
> much better.
>
> Thanks again.  Your ideas have prompted me to look at things from a
> different angle and the end result is far superior to what I had
> provided to our users previously.
>
> Brad
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
> Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2012 10:40 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Question on Refreshing Data on Access 2007
> Report(withSub-Report)
>
> Thanks to Jim's reply, I had another thought, Brad. There's no real
> reason
> why the queries for the header and footer cannot be combined into a
> single
> query. I frequently assemble queries from other queries rather than
> tables.
> To keep it brief, let's say you have query A, whose source in Pervasive,
> and query B, whose source is Firebird. Then just create query C, whose
> source is the joined queries A and B. Of course you will get multiple
> occurrences of the values of the "parent" but so what? Just ignore them
> when creating the subform.
>
> I just whipped up a little tester combining data from Access and SQL
> 2012
> and it worked. I created a simple report based on query C and called it
> rptParent, then created another also based on query C and called it
> rptChild. Finally I went into design mode and dropped rptChild onto
> rptParent as a subform. I ran it, then requeried the parent and it
> worked
> fine.
>
> Perhaps that approach might work in your case. It can't hurt to give it
> a
> shot.
>
> HTH,
> Arthur
>
>
>
> On Sat, Nov 10, 2012 at 12:46 PM, Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:
>
> > Hi Brad:
> >
> > Have done a similar thing with two (multiple) data sources; MS SQL,
> MySQL,
> > Dbase, Spreadsheet Text and Access for example.
> >
> > A dummy or empty table that sadisfies the report's field requirement
> is
> > first designed. That will be used as a template.
> >
> > When the data is brought back from the two sources, the data is dumped
> in a
> > couple of static recordsets and folded together into one recordset. In
> some
> > cases a the process can be done via a union query and in others via a
> > program. When that process is completed the report's record source
> property
> > is refereshed (replaced in code) and the new report then repopulates.
> This
> > process works great even when back to back reports are required.
> >
> > The following link is not exactly what you requested but it is an
> example
> > of
> > program bases report repopulations that works in a multi-user
> environment
> > using a function that repopulates the report that is called from
> within the
> > report itself.
> >
> >
> >
> http://www.databaseadvisors.com/newsletters/newsletter112003/0311Unbound
> Repo
> > rts.asp
> >
> > The code sample may help and be able to be adapted to your
> requirements.
> >
> > Jim
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brad Marks
> > Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2012 5:24 AM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: [AccessD] Question on Refreshing Data on Access 2007 Report
> > (withSub-Report)
> >
> > All,
> >
> > We have a report that is pulling data from two separate databases via
> ODBC
> > (Pervasive and Firebird).
> >
> > The "parent" report is pulling data from the Pervasive database and a
> > sub-report is pulling data from the Firebird database.  This is
> > accomplished
> > via two separate queries.  This works very nicely.
> >
> > Recently there has been a request to add a feature that would enable
> our
> > Sales Staff and Customer Service Reps to specify data that would
> "filter"
> > the information that they are shown on the report.
> >
> > To provide this feature, I have added several buttons to the report.
> Each
> > of these buttons opens up a little form which is used to obtain the
> string
> > that the users would like to use for their filter.  When the button on
> the
> > "Filter Form" is pushed, a VBA routine is invoked.  This VBA routine
> > changes
> > the query-defs of the two underlying queries.  If I look at the
> underlying
> > queries, I can see that they are being changed correctly and they are
> > returning the data correctly.
> >
> > The catch is that the data shown on the report is not automatically
> > changed.
> > I thought that invoking a "Requery" would refresh the data on the
> report
> > after the data returned by the changed queries has been updated but it
> does
> > not do so.
> >
> > The only way that I have been able to get this to work is to close and
> > re-open the report after the two query defs have been changed by the
> VBA
> > code.  This works, but I am curious if there is a better solution.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Brad
> >
> >
> > --
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Arthur
> Cell: 647.710.1314
>
> Prediction is difficult, especially of the future.
>   -- Niels Bohr
> --
> AccessD mailing list
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> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
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Cell: 647.710.1314

Prediction is difficult, especially of the future.
  -- Niels Bohr

From accessd at shaw.ca  Mon Nov 12 16:33:06 2012
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2012 14:33:06 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Question on Refreshing Data on Access
	2007Report(withSub-Report)
In-Reply-To: <E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C501772D2D@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
References: <B2B2CAE4B9B949EBA8F58FF91B8FAE23@stevelaptop><002b01cdbba5$176511b0$462f3510$@comcast.net><C037659B308E4BBD8CC7A02158596D02@stevelaptop><003d01cdbbc7$d03babf0$70b303d0$@comcast.net><E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C50163B2FF@blkltd.blkfst2003.local><80673D4BC89A412287E659580070DBD1@creativesystemdesigns.com><CAEPJO1j=eqvjZDcerTfJK1vL9EC7CcfcF-DBZNAm=ZrFcWFfww@mail.gmail.com>
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You are welcome of course. :-)

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brad Marks
Sent: Monday, November 12, 2012 11:16 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Question on Refreshing Data on Access
2007Report(withSub-Report)

Jim and Authur,

Thanks for your help and insights.

As a result of the ideas that you posted, I have built a small test
application that has a "selection form".  This selection form gives the
users the ability to specify the criteria for about 10 fields.  They can
enter as little or as much as they want.  The selection criteria that is
entered is used by a VBA routine to build the SQL statement for the
report's underlying query.  I have shown this little test application to
5 people and they seem to like it.

Originally, all report filters were on single fields on the reports
themselves (Access 2007 "Report View").

The users liked this approach, because they could see "all" the data on
a report and then trim down the amount of data on the report by using
one of the filters.  I think that this approach was better than nothing,
but the new approach with the use of the "selection form" appears to be
much better.

Thanks again.  Your ideas have prompted me to look at things from a
different angle and the end result is far superior to what I had
provided to our users previously.

Brad
    




-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2012 10:40 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Question on Refreshing Data on Access 2007
Report(withSub-Report)

Thanks to Jim's reply, I had another thought, Brad. There's no real
reason
why the queries for the header and footer cannot be combined into a
single
query. I frequently assemble queries from other queries rather than
tables.
To keep it brief, let's say you have query A, whose source in Pervasive,
and query B, whose source is Firebird. Then just create query C, whose
source is the joined queries A and B. Of course you will get multiple
occurrences of the values of the "parent" but so what? Just ignore them
when creating the subform.

I just whipped up a little tester combining data from Access and SQL
2012
and it worked. I created a simple report based on query C and called it
rptParent, then created another also based on query C and called it
rptChild. Finally I went into design mode and dropped rptChild onto
rptParent as a subform. I ran it, then requeried the parent and it
worked
fine.

Perhaps that approach might work in your case. It can't hurt to give it
a
shot.

HTH,
Arthur



On Sat, Nov 10, 2012 at 12:46 PM, Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:

> Hi Brad:
>
> Have done a similar thing with two (multiple) data sources; MS SQL,
MySQL,
> Dbase, Spreadsheet Text and Access for example.
>
> A dummy or empty table that sadisfies the report's field requirement
is
> first designed. That will be used as a template.
>
> When the data is brought back from the two sources, the data is dumped
in a
> couple of static recordsets and folded together into one recordset. In
some
> cases a the process can be done via a union query and in others via a
> program. When that process is completed the report's record source
property
> is refereshed (replaced in code) and the new report then repopulates.
This
> process works great even when back to back reports are required.
>
> The following link is not exactly what you requested but it is an
example
> of
> program bases report repopulations that works in a multi-user
environment
> using a function that repopulates the report that is called from
within the
> report itself.
>
>
>
http://www.databaseadvisors.com/newsletters/newsletter112003/0311Unbound
Repo
> rts.asp
>
> The code sample may help and be able to be adapted to your
requirements.
>
> Jim
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brad Marks
> Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2012 5:24 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] Question on Refreshing Data on Access 2007 Report
> (withSub-Report)
>
> All,
>
> We have a report that is pulling data from two separate databases via
ODBC
> (Pervasive and Firebird).
>
> The "parent" report is pulling data from the Pervasive database and a
> sub-report is pulling data from the Firebird database.  This is
> accomplished
> via two separate queries.  This works very nicely.
>
> Recently there has been a request to add a feature that would enable
our
> Sales Staff and Customer Service Reps to specify data that would
"filter"
> the information that they are shown on the report.
>
> To provide this feature, I have added several buttons to the report.
Each
> of these buttons opens up a little form which is used to obtain the
string
> that the users would like to use for their filter.  When the button on
the
> "Filter Form" is pushed, a VBA routine is invoked.  This VBA routine
> changes
> the query-defs of the two underlying queries.  If I look at the
underlying
> queries, I can see that they are being changed correctly and they are
> returning the data correctly.
>
> The catch is that the data shown on the report is not automatically
> changed.
> I thought that invoking a "Requery" would refresh the data on the
report
> after the data returned by the changed queries has been updated but it
does
> not do so.
>
> The only way that I have been able to get this to work is to close and
> re-open the report after the two query defs have been changed by the
VBA
> code.  This works, but I am curious if there is a better solution.
>
> Thanks,
> Brad
>
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Mon Nov 12 16:42:00 2012
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2012 14:42:00 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Lytro Light Field Camera Digital Camera Review
	-DigitalCamerainfo.com
In-Reply-To: <50A16B17.6010602@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <50A16B17.6010602@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <CB39C5A6492F419FA0CBCB126A138D83@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Really neat but it will be a while before it is ready for primetime.

Jim

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Sent: Monday, November 12, 2012 1:33 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Lytro Light Field Camera Digital Camera Review
-DigitalCamerainfo.com

Someone sent a link to the developer discussing this camera.  Here is a
review.

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http://www.digitalcamerainfo.com/content/Lytro-Light-Field-Camera-Digital-Ca
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Nov 12 23:14:53 2012
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 00:14:53 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Lytro Light Field Camera Digital Camera Review
	-DigitalCamerainfo.com
In-Reply-To: <CB39C5A6492F419FA0CBCB126A138D83@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <50A16B17.6010602@colbyconsulting.com>
	<CB39C5A6492F419FA0CBCB126A138D83@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <50A1D74D.8050904@colbyconsulting.com>

Ye but.  Did you play with the pictures?  Kinda cool.

It certainly looks like they just snap a bunch of pictures real fast at different focal lengths.  It 
seems like a regular camera could do this with the right software.

I understand that this is not in fact how they do it but that would emulate it.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 11/12/2012 5:42 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote:
> Really neat but it will be a while before it is ready for primetime.
>
> Jim
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
> Sent: Monday, November 12, 2012 1:33 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] Lytro Light Field Camera Digital Camera Review
> -DigitalCamerainfo.com
>
> Someone sent a link to the developer discussing this camera.  Here is a
> review.
>


From accessd at shaw.ca  Tue Nov 13 09:28:15 2012
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 07:28:15 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Lytro Light Field Camera Digital Camera
	Review-DigitalCamerainfo.com
In-Reply-To: <50A1D74D.8050904@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <50A16B17.6010602@colbyconsulting.com><CB39C5A6492F419FA0CBCB126A138D83@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<50A1D74D.8050904@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <2D0940154CBF494D9071745CEA57779D@creativesystemdesigns.com>

It is quite incredible. 

Have seen software that can take a huge crowd and then you can zoom in on
every person in the crowd.

Looks like this camera can do that. 

Jim

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Sent: Monday, November 12, 2012 9:15 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Lytro Light Field Camera Digital Camera
Review-DigitalCamerainfo.com

Ye but.  Did you play with the pictures?  Kinda cool.

It certainly looks like they just snap a bunch of pictures real fast at
different focal lengths.  It 
seems like a regular camera could do this with the right software.

I understand that this is not in fact how they do it but that would emulate
it.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 11/12/2012 5:42 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote:
> Really neat but it will be a while before it is ready for primetime.
>
> Jim
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
> Sent: Monday, November 12, 2012 1:33 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] Lytro Light Field Camera Digital Camera Review
> -DigitalCamerainfo.com
>
> Someone sent a link to the developer discussing this camera.  Here is a
> review.
>

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From gustav at cactus.dk  Tue Nov 13 09:58:33 2012
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 16:58:33 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Rounding percent midways
Message-ID: <00a501cdc1b7$bbdc10f0$339432d0$@cactus.dk>

Hi all

I had a bright moment(!) regarding rounding percent values, a topic which
from time to time has caught my attention.

The philosophy behind this is, that 0% is zero, not something very small,
and 100% is everything, not nearly everything. A progress bar showing 0%
means "nothing" and 100% means "all". 

Consequently, normal 4/5 rounding cannot be used as very small values would
be rounded to zero, and values nearly 100% would be rounded to 100%.
Rounding up would work for very small values but large values like 99.996%
would be rounded up to 100.00%. You could round down, but that would move
the issue to rounding very small values, say, 0.004% down to 0.00%. Thus,
neither rounding up or down can be used.

The solution is to round up for small values and down for large values or,
in other words, to round "towards" 50%. But how?
This is where Fix comes in. It rounds towards zero, so by off-setting the
value range of 0 to 1 to -0.5 to 0.5, Fix can be applied. After the
rounding, reset the range to cover 0 to 1.

Here is how:

dblValue = Fix((dblValue - 0.5) * 10000) / 10000 + CDec(0.5)

This will round, say, 0.004% and 99.996% to 0.01% and 99.99% respectively.
CDec is used to prevent floating point errors.

/gustav


From BradM at blackforestltd.com  Tue Nov 13 11:07:21 2012
From: BradM at blackforestltd.com (Brad Marks)
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 11:07:21 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Access 2007 Report ?Sort Puzzler?
References: <B2B2CAE4B9B949EBA8F58FF91B8FAE23@stevelaptop><002b01cdbba5$176511b0$462f3510$@comcast.net><C037659B308E4BBD8CC7A02158596D02@stevelaptop><003d01cdbbc7$d03babf0$70b303d0$@comcast.net><E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C50163B2FF@blkltd.blkfst2003.local><80673D4BC89A412287E659580070DBD1@creativesystemdesigns.com><CAEPJO1j=eqvjZDcerTfJK1vL9EC7CcfcF-DBZNAm=ZrFcWFfww@mail.gmail.com><E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C501772D2D@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
	<2577292022A24451BEC61F917790AFBF@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C50163B308@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>

All,

I have a small test application that is yielding strange results that I cannot figure out.

There is only one table and one query.

The query is sorted on a field called ?Customer Name?.

This works fine.

There are two reports.  The original report keeps showing the data in order by ?Sales Order Number?.

When I go into Design View for this report, I cannot see any ?Group? or ?Sort? for this report.

Just for fun, I used the Report Wizard to set up a second report (also with no sorts).  This second report returns the data correctly.  (in the same order as the underlying query).

I must be missing something.  I have run many tests and cannot see what is causing this problem. 

Has anyone else seen this happen?

Thanks,
Brad      

From marksimms at verizon.net  Tue Nov 13 13:25:53 2012
From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms)
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 14:25:53 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Lytro Light Field Camera Digital
	Camera	Review-DigitalCamerainfo.com
In-Reply-To: <2D0940154CBF494D9071745CEA57779D@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <50A16B17.6010602@colbyconsulting.com><CB39C5A6492F419FA0CBCB126A138D83@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<50A1D74D.8050904@colbyconsulting.com>
	<2D0940154CBF494D9071745CEA57779D@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <01ab01cdc1d4$b6202580$22607080$@net>

Interesting....CIA or FBI might show some interest.
Otherwise, that review said: "wait for the next version".



From charlotte.foust at gmail.com  Tue Nov 13 13:55:10 2012
From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 11:55:10 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Access 2007 Report ?Sort Puzzler?
In-Reply-To: <E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C50163B308@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
References: <B2B2CAE4B9B949EBA8F58FF91B8FAE23@stevelaptop>
	<002b01cdbba5$176511b0$462f3510$@comcast.net>
	<C037659B308E4BBD8CC7A02158596D02@stevelaptop>
	<003d01cdbbc7$d03babf0$70b303d0$@comcast.net>
	<E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C50163B2FF@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
	<80673D4BC89A412287E659580070DBD1@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<CAEPJO1j=eqvjZDcerTfJK1vL9EC7CcfcF-DBZNAm=ZrFcWFfww@mail.gmail.com>
	<E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C501772D2D@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
	<2577292022A24451BEC61F917790AFBF@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C50163B308@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
Message-ID: <CAH+Met9j_YCxV6aen8mwovfriK38x4iDagqisN+n2c1G4PPrzQ@mail.gmail.com>

Reports ignore the underlying query sort.  You have to use sorting and
grouping on the report or apply the OrderBy and OrderByOn options to get
what you need.

Charlotte

On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 9:07 AM, Brad Marks <BradM at blackforestltd.com>wrote:

> All,
>
> I have a small test application that is yielding strange results that I
> cannot figure out.
>
> There is only one table and one query.
>
> The query is sorted on a field called ?Customer Name?.
>
> This works fine.
>
> There are two reports.  The original report keeps showing the data in
> order by ?Sales Order Number?.
>
> When I go into Design View for this report, I cannot see any ?Group? or
> ?Sort? for this report.
>
> Just for fun, I used the Report Wizard to set up a second report (also
> with no sorts).  This second report returns the data correctly.  (in the
> same order as the underlying query).
>
> I must be missing something.  I have run many tests and cannot see what is
> causing this problem.
>
> Has anyone else seen this happen?
>
> Thanks,
> Brad
>
> --
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Tue Nov 13 14:06:15 2012
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2012 06:06:15 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Rounding percent midways
In-Reply-To: <00a501cdc1b7$bbdc10f0$339432d0$@cactus.dk>
References: <00a501cdc1b7$bbdc10f0$339432d0$@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <50A2A837.17643.223F14AC@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

That's a neat idea as long as you are aware of its effects and use it sensibly - i.e. not as a 
general rounding function :-)

It's going into my toolbox( with one minor enhancement)  

Function PCRound(Value As Double, Digits As Long) As Double
    PCRound = Fix((Value - 0.5) * 10 ^ Digits) / 10 ^ Digits + CDec(0.5)
End Function

-- 
Stuart


On 13 Nov 2012 at 16:58, Gustav Brock wrote:

> Hi all
> 
> I had a bright moment(!) regarding rounding percent values, a topic which
> from time to time has caught my attention.
> 
> The philosophy behind this is, that 0% is zero, not something very small,
> and 100% is everything, not nearly everything. A progress bar showing 0%
> means "nothing" and 100% means "all". 
> 
> Consequently, normal 4/5 rounding cannot be used as very small values would
> be rounded to zero, and values nearly 100% would be rounded to 100%.
> Rounding up would work for very small values but large values like 99.996%
> would be rounded up to 100.00%. You could round down, but that would move
> the issue to rounding very small values, say, 0.004% down to 0.00%. Thus,
> neither rounding up or down can be used.
> 
> The solution is to round up for small values and down for large values or,
> in other words, to round "towards" 50%. But how?
> This is where Fix comes in. It rounds towards zero, so by off-setting the
> value range of 0 to 1 to -0.5 to 0.5, Fix can be applied. After the
> rounding, reset the range to cover 0 to 1.
> 
> Here is how:
> 
> dblValue = Fix((dblValue - 0.5) * 10000) / 10000 + CDec(0.5)
> 
> This will round, say, 0.004% and 99.996% to 0.01% and 99.99% respectively.
> CDec is used to prevent floating point errors.
> 
> /gustav
> 
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From BradM at blackforestltd.com  Tue Nov 13 14:10:57 2012
From: BradM at blackforestltd.com (Brad Marks)
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 14:10:57 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Access 2007 Report - Sort Puzzler
References: <B2B2CAE4B9B949EBA8F58FF91B8FAE23@stevelaptop><002b01cdbba5$176511b0$462f3510$@comcast.net><C037659B308E4BBD8CC7A02158596D02@stevelaptop><003d01cdbbc7$d03babf0$70b303d0$@comcast.net><E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C50163B2FF@blkltd.blkfst2003.local><80673D4BC89A412287E659580070DBD1@creativesystemdesigns.com><CAEPJO1j=eqvjZDcerTfJK1vL9EC7CcfcF-DBZNAm=ZrFcWFfww@mail.gmail.com><E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C501772D2D@blkltd.blkfst2003.local><2577292022A24451BEC61F917790AFBF@creativesystemdesigns.com><E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C50163B308@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
	<CAH+Met9j_YCxV6aen8mwovfriK38x4iDagqisN+n2c1G4PPrzQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C501772F55@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>

Charlotte,

Thanks for the help.

What you wrote explains why I am seeing these results.

This really surprises me!  I thought that reports would receive data
from the query in the order that is shown when a person looks directly
at the query.  I also thought that reports would show the data in the
same order as they receive it.  (I was wrong)

I really appreciate the insights.  This is good info to know.

I was starting to pull my hair out on this one  :-)

I owe you a big margarita !

Brad

   

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2012 1:55 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access 2007 Report ?Sort Puzzler?

Reports ignore the underlying query sort.  You have to use sorting and
grouping on the report or apply the OrderBy and OrderByOn options to get
what you need.

Charlotte

On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 9:07 AM, Brad Marks
<BradM at blackforestltd.com>wrote:

> All,
>
> I have a small test application that is yielding strange results that
I
> cannot figure out.
>
> There is only one table and one query.
>
> The query is sorted on a field called "Customer Name".
>
> This works fine.
>
> There are two reports.  The original report keeps showing the data in
> order by "Sales Order Number".
>
> When I go into Design View for this report, I cannot see any "Group"
or
> "Sort" for this report.
>
> Just for fun, I used the Report Wizard to set up a second report (also
> with no sorts).  This second report returns the data correctly.  (in
the
> same order as the underlying query).
>
> I must be missing something.  I have run many tests and cannot see
what is
> causing this problem.
>
> Has anyone else seen this happen?
>
> Thanks,
> Brad
>
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Tue Nov 13 14:32:46 2012
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2012 06:32:46 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Access 2007 Report - Sort Puzzler
In-Reply-To: <E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C501772F55@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
References: <B2B2CAE4B9B949EBA8F58FF91B8FAE23@stevelaptop>,
	<E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C501772F55@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
Message-ID: <50A2AE6E.14700.22575BCA@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

It's *always* been that way in Access.  If' you've never encountered it before, you've been 
very lucky.
-- 
Stuart

On 13 Nov 2012 at 14:10, Brad Marks wrote:

> Charlotte,
> 
> Thanks for the help.
> 
> What you wrote explains why I am seeing these results.
> 
> This really surprises me!  I thought that reports would receive data
> from the query in the order that is shown when a person looks directly
> at the query.  I also thought that reports would show the data in the
> same order as they receive it.  (I was wrong)
> 
> I really appreciate the insights.  This is good info to know.
> 
> I was starting to pull my hair out on this one  :-)
> 
> I owe you a big margarita !
> 
> Brad
> 
>    
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
> Foust
> Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2012 1:55 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access 2007 Report ?Sort Puzzler?
> 
> Reports ignore the underlying query sort.  You have to use sorting and
> grouping on the report or apply the OrderBy and OrderByOn options to get
> what you need.
> 
> Charlotte
> 
> On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 9:07 AM, Brad Marks
> <BradM at blackforestltd.com>wrote:
> 
> > All,
> >
> > I have a small test application that is yielding strange results that
> I
> > cannot figure out.
> >
> > There is only one table and one query.
> >
> > The query is sorted on a field called "Customer Name".
> >
> > This works fine.
> >
> > There are two reports.  The original report keeps showing the data in
> > order by "Sales Order Number".
> >
> > When I go into Design View for this report, I cannot see any "Group"
> or
> > "Sort" for this report.
> >
> > Just for fun, I used the Report Wizard to set up a second report (also
> > with no sorts).  This second report returns the data correctly.  (in
> the
> > same order as the underlying query).
> >
> > I must be missing something.  I have run many tests and cannot see
> what is
> > causing this problem.
> >
> > Has anyone else seen this happen?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Brad
> >
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From BradM at blackforestltd.com  Tue Nov 13 15:05:48 2012
From: BradM at blackforestltd.com (Brad Marks)
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 15:05:48 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Access 2007 Report - Sort Puzzler
References: <B2B2CAE4B9B949EBA8F58FF91B8FAE23@stevelaptop>,
	<E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C501772F55@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
	<50A2AE6E.14700.22575BCA@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C501772F79@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>

Stuart,

Yes, I can't believe that I haven't stumbled on this before now.  As we
say here in Minnesota "UFF DA!"

I guess that most of the reports that I have worked on have "sorts" and
don't rely on the query for the order of the records.  I will need to
check into this more closely, however.

If a query is built *only* for the purpose of supplying data to a
report, then the "Sort" at the query level is useless.  I am having a
little bit of trouble wrapping my head around this.  I might have some
brain damage from many years of COBOL and DB2  :-)

I learned something new today and I am very grateful to the AccessD
folks who provide insights and answers.

Brad   
   

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart
McLachlan
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2012 2:33 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access 2007 Report - Sort Puzzler

It's *always* been that way in Access.  If' you've never encountered it
before, you've been 
very lucky.
-- 
Stuart

On 13 Nov 2012 at 14:10, Brad Marks wrote:

> Charlotte,
> 
> Thanks for the help.
> 
> What you wrote explains why I am seeing these results.
> 
> This really surprises me!  I thought that reports would receive data
> from the query in the order that is shown when a person looks directly
> at the query.  I also thought that reports would show the data in the
> same order as they receive it.  (I was wrong)
> 
> I really appreciate the insights.  This is good info to know.
> 
> I was starting to pull my hair out on this one  :-)
> 
> I owe you a big margarita !
> 
> Brad
> 
>    
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
> Foust
> Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2012 1:55 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access 2007 Report ?Sort Puzzler?
> 
> Reports ignore the underlying query sort.  You have to use sorting and
> grouping on the report or apply the OrderBy and OrderByOn options to
get
> what you need.
> 
> Charlotte
> 
> On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 9:07 AM, Brad Marks
> <BradM at blackforestltd.com>wrote:
> 
> > All,
> >
> > I have a small test application that is yielding strange results
that
> I
> > cannot figure out.
> >
> > There is only one table and one query.
> >
> > The query is sorted on a field called "Customer Name".
> >
> > This works fine.
> >
> > There are two reports.  The original report keeps showing the data
in
> > order by "Sales Order Number".
> >
> > When I go into Design View for this report, I cannot see any "Group"
> or
> > "Sort" for this report.
> >
> > Just for fun, I used the Report Wizard to set up a second report
(also
> > with no sorts).  This second report returns the data correctly.  (in
> the
> > same order as the underlying query).
> >
> > I must be missing something.  I have run many tests and cannot see
> what is
> > causing this problem.
> >
> > Has anyone else seen this happen?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Brad
> >
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From jimdettman at verizon.net  Tue Nov 13 15:18:43 2012
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 16:18:43 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Access 2007 Report - Sort Puzzler
In-Reply-To: <E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C501772F79@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
References: <B2B2CAE4B9B949EBA8F58FF91B8FAE23@stevelaptop>,
	<E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C501772F55@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
	<50A2AE6E.14700.22575BCA@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C501772F79@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
Message-ID: <6AC0A75515BB4B2E987E6B0CAD4C226D@XPS>

Brad,

<<If a query is built *only* for the purpose of supplying data to a
report, then the "Sort" at the query level is useless.  I am having a
little bit of trouble wrapping my head around this.  I might have some
brain damage from many years of COBOL and DB2  :-)>>

 That is correct and is true of just about any report engine (not just
Access) that has any type of grouping built in.

 Think RPGII<g>

Jim. 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brad Marks
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2012 04:06 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access 2007 Report - Sort Puzzler

Stuart,

Yes, I can't believe that I haven't stumbled on this before now.  As we
say here in Minnesota "UFF DA!"

I guess that most of the reports that I have worked on have "sorts" and
don't rely on the query for the order of the records.  I will need to
check into this more closely, however.

If a query is built *only* for the purpose of supplying data to a
report, then the "Sort" at the query level is useless.  I am having a
little bit of trouble wrapping my head around this.  I might have some
brain damage from many years of COBOL and DB2  :-)

I learned something new today and I am very grateful to the AccessD
folks who provide insights and answers.

Brad   
   

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart
McLachlan
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2012 2:33 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access 2007 Report - Sort Puzzler

It's *always* been that way in Access.  If' you've never encountered it
before, you've been 
very lucky.
-- 
Stuart

On 13 Nov 2012 at 14:10, Brad Marks wrote:

> Charlotte,
> 
> Thanks for the help.
> 
> What you wrote explains why I am seeing these results.
> 
> This really surprises me!  I thought that reports would receive data
> from the query in the order that is shown when a person looks directly
> at the query.  I also thought that reports would show the data in the
> same order as they receive it.  (I was wrong)
> 
> I really appreciate the insights.  This is good info to know.
> 
> I was starting to pull my hair out on this one  :-)
> 
> I owe you a big margarita !
> 
> Brad
> 
>    
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
> Foust
> Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2012 1:55 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access 2007 Report ?Sort Puzzler?
> 
> Reports ignore the underlying query sort.  You have to use sorting and
> grouping on the report or apply the OrderBy and OrderByOn options to
get
> what you need.
> 
> Charlotte
> 
> On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 9:07 AM, Brad Marks
> <BradM at blackforestltd.com>wrote:
> 
> > All,
> >
> > I have a small test application that is yielding strange results
that
> I
> > cannot figure out.
> >
> > There is only one table and one query.
> >
> > The query is sorted on a field called "Customer Name".
> >
> > This works fine.
> >
> > There are two reports.  The original report keeps showing the data
in
> > order by "Sales Order Number".
> >
> > When I go into Design View for this report, I cannot see any "Group"
> or
> > "Sort" for this report.
> >
> > Just for fun, I used the Report Wizard to set up a second report
(also
> > with no sorts).  This second report returns the data correctly.  (in
> the
> > same order as the underlying query).
> >
> > I must be missing something.  I have run many tests and cannot see
> what is
> > causing this problem.
> >
> > Has anyone else seen this happen?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Brad
> >
> > --
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> >
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From BradM at blackforestltd.com  Tue Nov 13 15:19:34 2012
From: BradM at blackforestltd.com (Brad Marks)
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 15:19:34 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Access 2007 Report - Sort Puzzler
References: <B2B2CAE4B9B949EBA8F58FF91B8FAE23@stevelaptop>,
	<E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C501772F55@blkltd.blkfst2003.local><50A2AE6E.14700.22575BCA@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg><E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C501772F79@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
	<6AC0A75515BB4B2E987E6B0CAD4C226D@XPS>
Message-ID: <E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C501772F8A@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>

Jim,

<< Think RPGII<g>

When I think RPGII, memories of mini-skirts and disco music surface
.... UFF DA!

:-)

Brad

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2012 3:19 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access 2007 Report - Sort Puzzler

Brad,

<<If a query is built *only* for the purpose of supplying data to a
report, then the "Sort" at the query level is useless.  I am having a
little bit of trouble wrapping my head around this.  I might have some
brain damage from many years of COBOL and DB2  :-)>>

 That is correct and is true of just about any report engine (not just
Access) that has any type of grouping built in.

 Think RPGII<g>

Jim. 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brad Marks
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2012 04:06 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access 2007 Report - Sort Puzzler

Stuart,

Yes, I can't believe that I haven't stumbled on this before now.  As we
say here in Minnesota "UFF DA!"

I guess that most of the reports that I have worked on have "sorts" and
don't rely on the query for the order of the records.  I will need to
check into this more closely, however.

If a query is built *only* for the purpose of supplying data to a
report, then the "Sort" at the query level is useless.  I am having a
little bit of trouble wrapping my head around this.  I might have some
brain damage from many years of COBOL and DB2  :-)

I learned something new today and I am very grateful to the AccessD
folks who provide insights and answers.

Brad   
   

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart
McLachlan
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2012 2:33 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access 2007 Report - Sort Puzzler

It's *always* been that way in Access.  If' you've never encountered it
before, you've been 
very lucky.
-- 
Stuart

On 13 Nov 2012 at 14:10, Brad Marks wrote:

> Charlotte,
> 
> Thanks for the help.
> 
> What you wrote explains why I am seeing these results.
> 
> This really surprises me!  I thought that reports would receive data
> from the query in the order that is shown when a person looks directly
> at the query.  I also thought that reports would show the data in the
> same order as they receive it.  (I was wrong)
> 
> I really appreciate the insights.  This is good info to know.
> 
> I was starting to pull my hair out on this one  :-)
> 
> I owe you a big margarita !
> 
> Brad
> 
>    
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
> Foust
> Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2012 1:55 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access 2007 Report ?Sort Puzzler?
> 
> Reports ignore the underlying query sort.  You have to use sorting and
> grouping on the report or apply the OrderBy and OrderByOn options to
get
> what you need.
> 
> Charlotte
> 
> On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 9:07 AM, Brad Marks
> <BradM at blackforestltd.com>wrote:
> 
> > All,
> >
> > I have a small test application that is yielding strange results
that
> I
> > cannot figure out.
> >
> > There is only one table and one query.
> >
> > The query is sorted on a field called "Customer Name".
> >
> > This works fine.
> >
> > There are two reports.  The original report keeps showing the data
in
> > order by "Sales Order Number".
> >
> > When I go into Design View for this report, I cannot see any "Group"
> or
> > "Sort" for this report.
> >
> > Just for fun, I used the Report Wizard to set up a second report
(also
> > with no sorts).  This second report returns the data correctly.  (in
> the
> > same order as the underlying query).
> >
> > I must be missing something.  I have run many tests and cannot see
> what is
> > causing this problem.
> >
> > Has anyone else seen this happen?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Brad
> >
> > --
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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Tue Nov 13 15:52:00 2012
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 22:52:00 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Rounding percent midways
Message-ID: <s0a2cf27.003@cactus.dk>

Hi Stuart

Good idea. You could even make that Digits optional.

/gustav

>>> stuart at lexacorp.com.pg 13-11-12 21:06 >>>
That's a neat idea as long as you are aware of its effects and use it sensibly - i.e. not as a 
general rounding function :-)

It's going into my toolbox( with one minor enhancement)  

Function PCRound(Value As Double, Digits As Long) As Double
    PCRound = Fix((Value - 0.5) * 10 ^ Digits) / 10 ^ Digits + CDec(0.5)
End Function

-- 
Stuart


On 13 Nov 2012 at 16:58, Gustav Brock wrote:

> Hi all
> 
> I had a bright moment(!) regarding rounding percent values, a topic which
> from time to time has caught my attention.
> 
> The philosophy behind this is, that 0% is zero, not something very small,
> and 100% is everything, not nearly everything. A progress bar showing 0%
> means "nothing" and 100% means "all". 
> 
> Consequently, normal 4/5 rounding cannot be used as very small values would
> be rounded to zero, and values nearly 100% would be rounded to 100%.
> Rounding up would work for very small values but large values like 99.996%
> would be rounded up to 100.00%. You could round down, but that would move
> the issue to rounding very small values, say, 0.004% down to 0.00%. Thus,
> neither rounding up or down can be used.
> 
> The solution is to round up for small values and down for large values or,
> in other words, to round "towards" 50%. But how?
> This is where Fix comes in. It rounds towards zero, so by off-setting the
> value range of 0 to 1 to -0.5 to 0.5, Fix can be applied. After the
> rounding, reset the range to cover 0 to 1.
> 
> Here is how:
> 
> dblValue = Fix((dblValue - 0.5) * 10000) / 10000 + CDec(0.5)
> 
> This will round, say, 0.004% and 99.996% to 0.01% and 99.99% respectively.
> CDec is used to prevent floating point errors.
> 
> /gustav



From charlotte.foust at gmail.com  Tue Nov 13 19:51:25 2012
From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 17:51:25 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Access 2007 Report - Sort Puzzler
In-Reply-To: <E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C501772F55@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
References: <B2B2CAE4B9B949EBA8F58FF91B8FAE23@stevelaptop>
	<002b01cdbba5$176511b0$462f3510$@comcast.net>
	<C037659B308E4BBD8CC7A02158596D02@stevelaptop>
	<003d01cdbbc7$d03babf0$70b303d0$@comcast.net>
	<E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C50163B2FF@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
	<80673D4BC89A412287E659580070DBD1@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<CAEPJO1j=eqvjZDcerTfJK1vL9EC7CcfcF-DBZNAm=ZrFcWFfww@mail.gmail.com>
	<E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C501772D2D@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
	<2577292022A24451BEC61F917790AFBF@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C50163B308@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
	<CAH+Met9j_YCxV6aen8mwovfriK38x4iDagqisN+n2c1G4PPrzQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C501772F55@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
Message-ID: <CAH+Met_10h9eutGq7oxaRzcF6Gr6s4eN3+WjE_n7iYk2TmBVSg@mail.gmail.com>

It's easy to forget even if you know it.

Charlotte

On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 12:10 PM, Brad Marks <BradM at blackforestltd.com>wrote:

> Charlotte,
>
> Thanks for the help.
>
> What you wrote explains why I am seeing these results.
>
> This really surprises me!  I thought that reports would receive data
> from the query in the order that is shown when a person looks directly
> at the query.  I also thought that reports would show the data in the
> same order as they receive it.  (I was wrong)
>
> I really appreciate the insights.  This is good info to know.
>
> I was starting to pull my hair out on this one  :-)
>
> I owe you a big margarita !
>
> Brad
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
> Foust
> Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2012 1:55 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access 2007 Report ?Sort Puzzler?
>
> Reports ignore the underlying query sort.  You have to use sorting and
> grouping on the report or apply the OrderBy and OrderByOn options to get
> what you need.
>
> Charlotte
>
> On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 9:07 AM, Brad Marks
> <BradM at blackforestltd.com>wrote:
>
> > All,
> >
> > I have a small test application that is yielding strange results that
> I
> > cannot figure out.
> >
> > There is only one table and one query.
> >
> > The query is sorted on a field called "Customer Name".
> >
> > This works fine.
> >
> > There are two reports.  The original report keeps showing the data in
> > order by "Sales Order Number".
> >
> > When I go into Design View for this report, I cannot see any "Group"
> or
> > "Sort" for this report.
> >
> > Just for fun, I used the Report Wizard to set up a second report (also
> > with no sorts).  This second report returns the data correctly.  (in
> the
> > same order as the underlying query).
> >
> > I must be missing something.  I have run many tests and cannot see
> what is
> > causing this problem.
> >
> > Has anyone else seen this happen?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Brad
> >
> > --
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Wed Nov 14 09:46:46 2012
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2012 07:46:46 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Access Developer needed
In-Reply-To: <s0a2cf27.003@cactus.dk>
References: <s0a2cf27.003@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <53D8D46E10BC4B43BFFD6D83D5597F6B@creativesystemdesigns.com>

There appears to be an Access developer, along with a good knowledge of MS
SQL needed in Saint Louis, Missouri

http://information-technology.thingamajob.com/jobs/Missouri/Access-Developer
/2698047

Jim


From BradM at blackforestltd.com  Wed Nov 14 11:47:17 2012
From: BradM at blackforestltd.com (Brad Marks)
Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2012 11:47:17 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Access 2007 Report - Sort Puzzler - The Plot Thickens
	(Sub-Report)
References: <B2B2CAE4B9B949EBA8F58FF91B8FAE23@stevelaptop><002b01cdbba5$176511b0$462f3510$@comcast.net><C037659B308E4BBD8CC7A02158596D02@stevelaptop><003d01cdbbc7$d03babf0$70b303d0$@comcast.net><E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C50163B2FF@blkltd.blkfst2003.local><80673D4BC89A412287E659580070DBD1@creativesystemdesigns.com><CAEPJO1j=eqvjZDcerTfJK1vL9EC7CcfcF-DBZNAm=ZrFcWFfww@mail.gmail.com><E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C501772D2D@blkltd.blkfst2003.local><2577292022A24451BEC61F917790AFBF@creativesystemdesigns.com><E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C50163B308@blkltd.blkfst2003.local><CAH+Met9j_YCxV6aen8mwovfriK38x4iDagqisN+n2c1G4PPrzQ@mail.gmail.com><E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C501772F55@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
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Charlotte,

Thanks again for your explanation on this issue.

I have a small test application (with a simple report) working nicely with this code -

DoCmd.OpenReport "Report1", acViewReport, "", "", acNormal
Reports.Report1.OrderBy = "Field1"


Now I am trying to control the order of data on a sub-report.
This sub-report's data is not at all tied to the main report's data.
(Different database, different table, different query).

I had planned to simply change the underlying query def with VBA code, but as you pointed out, this will not work.

I can't figure out where to place the statement to control the "Orderby" for the sub-report.

I have tried several tests but nothing works.

Thanks,
Brad 

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com on behalf of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Tue 11/13/2012 7:51 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access 2007 Report - Sort Puzzler
 
It's easy to forget even if you know it.

Charlotte

On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 12:10 PM, Brad Marks <BradM at blackforestltd.com>wrote:

> Charlotte,
>
> Thanks for the help.
>
> What you wrote explains why I am seeing these results.
>
> This really surprises me!  I thought that reports would receive data
> from the query in the order that is shown when a person looks directly
> at the query.  I also thought that reports would show the data in the
> same order as they receive it.  (I was wrong)
>
> I really appreciate the insights.  This is good info to know.
>
> I was starting to pull my hair out on this one  :-)
>
> I owe you a big margarita !
>
> Brad
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
> Foust
> Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2012 1:55 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access 2007 Report ?Sort Puzzler?
>
> Reports ignore the underlying query sort.  You have to use sorting and
> grouping on the report or apply the OrderBy and OrderByOn options to get
> what you need.
>
> Charlotte
>
> On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 9:07 AM, Brad Marks
> <BradM at blackforestltd.com>wrote:
>
> > All,
> >
> > I have a small test application that is yielding strange results that
> I
> > cannot figure out.
> >
> > There is only one table and one query.
> >
> > The query is sorted on a field called "Customer Name".
> >
> > This works fine.
> >
> > There are two reports.  The original report keeps showing the data in
> > order by "Sales Order Number".
> >
> > When I go into Design View for this report, I cannot see any "Group"
> or
> > "Sort" for this report.
> >
> > Just for fun, I used the Report Wizard to set up a second report (also
> > with no sorts).  This second report returns the data correctly.  (in
> the
> > same order as the underlying query).
> >
> > I must be missing something.  I have run many tests and cannot see
> what is
> > causing this problem.
> >
> > Has anyone else seen this happen?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Brad
> >
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From charlotte.foust at gmail.com  Wed Nov 14 13:07:04 2012
From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2012 11:07:04 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Access 2007 Report - Sort Puzzler - The Plot Thickens
	(Sub-Report)
In-Reply-To: <E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C50163B30E@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
References: <B2B2CAE4B9B949EBA8F58FF91B8FAE23@stevelaptop>
	<002b01cdbba5$176511b0$462f3510$@comcast.net>
	<C037659B308E4BBD8CC7A02158596D02@stevelaptop>
	<003d01cdbbc7$d03babf0$70b303d0$@comcast.net>
	<E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C50163B2FF@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
	<80673D4BC89A412287E659580070DBD1@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<CAEPJO1j=eqvjZDcerTfJK1vL9EC7CcfcF-DBZNAm=ZrFcWFfww@mail.gmail.com>
	<E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C501772D2D@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
	<2577292022A24451BEC61F917790AFBF@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C50163B308@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
	<CAH+Met9j_YCxV6aen8mwovfriK38x4iDagqisN+n2c1G4PPrzQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C501772F55@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
	<CAH+Met_10h9eutGq7oxaRzcF6Gr6s4eN3+WjE_n7iYk2TmBVSg@mail.gmail.com>
	<E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C50163B30E@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
Message-ID: <CAH+Met-FbokWa3Yrjp_=sLd0tHgebixzfz_uhEH1nsuPGRbZ5w@mail.gmail.com>

There are a couple of tricks that might help.  You can change the querydef
in VBA code if you do it from the form that launches the report.  SQL is a
property of the querydef, and it can be modified and saved from code.  But
that would mean you were hard coding the changes into the querydef each
time you ran the report, which isn't very efficient.  One thing to watch
out for is that subreports load first, so their OrderBy  is already in
place before the parent fully loads.  Also make sure you turn the OrderBy
on and off in code when needed.  What we did at one shop was to open the
reports or subreports in design view from code with visibility set to false
and alter the properties before saving the changes and then calling
OpenReport from the same routine. OrderBy has to be off in order to change
the string value, so you turn it back on and save the change.

Charlotte

On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 9:47 AM, Brad Marks <BradM at blackforestltd.com>wrote:

> Charlotte,
>
> Thanks again for your explanation on this issue.
>
> I have a small test application (with a simple report) working nicely with
> this code -
>
> DoCmd.OpenReport "Report1", acViewReport, "", "", acNormal
> Reports.Report1.OrderBy = "Field1"
>
>
> Now I am trying to control the order of data on a sub-report.
> This sub-report's data is not at all tied to the main report's data.
> (Different database, different table, different query).
>
> I had planned to simply change the underlying query def with VBA code, but
> as you pointed out, this will not work.
>
> I can't figure out where to place the statement to control the "Orderby"
> for the sub-report.
>
> I have tried several tests but nothing works.
>
> Thanks,
> Brad
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
>
>
>
>

From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Wed Nov 14 14:01:45 2012
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2012 12:01:45 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Windows 7 in Parallels
Message-ID: <5E1B63E3464F491796C8A2B663B92675@HAL9007>


Dear List:
 
I have a user who wants to put Windows 7 on a Mac using Parallels.  Wants to
know if he should get the 32 bit or the 64 bit W7.  Anybody know the answer?
 
TIA
 
Rocky


From newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz  Wed Nov 14 14:40:59 2012
From: newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz (David Emerson)
Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2012 09:40:59 +1300
Subject: [AccessD] Downloading Web File Automatically
Message-ID: <008001cdc2a8$5b09de00$111d9a00$@dalyn.co.nz>

Team,

 

I have an application that imports a csv file.  The file is put up onto a
web site url.  Entering the url in a browser will trigger downloading the
file.

 

Is there a way to automate this in Access.  Ie send the url to a browser,
have the file downloaded to a defined folder where it can then be imported?

 

Regards

David Emerson
Dalyn Software Ltd
Wellington, New Zealand

 

 


From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed Nov 14 15:22:55 2012
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2012 16:22:55 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Windows 7 in Parallels
In-Reply-To: <5E1B63E3464F491796C8A2B663B92675@HAL9007>
References: <5E1B63E3464F491796C8A2B663B92675@HAL9007>
Message-ID: <50A40BAF.4060506@colbyconsulting.com>

I see no reason to use 32 bit windows any more.  I have a friend using a database of mine.  He has a 
mac running parallels running Windows 7 X64 running an Access 2K3 database (32 bit office) over the 
internet to a SQL Server back end.  Works just fine.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 11/14/2012 3:01 PM, Rocky Smolin wrote:
>
> Dear List:
>
> I have a user who wants to put Windows 7 on a Mac using Parallels.  Wants to
> know if he should get the 32 bit or the 64 bit W7.  Anybody know the answer?
>
> TIA
>
> Rocky
>


From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Wed Nov 14 15:31:59 2012
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2012 13:31:59 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Windows 7 in Parallels
In-Reply-To: <50A40BAF.4060506@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <5E1B63E3464F491796C8A2B663B92675@HAL9007>
	<50A40BAF.4060506@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <5D45F3F762454BFA91D636770F3DDBC6@HAL9007>

Thanks - will forward.

Rocky
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2012 1:23 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Windows 7 in Parallels

I see no reason to use 32 bit windows any more.  I have a friend using a
database of mine.  He has a mac running parallels running Windows 7 X64
running an Access 2K3 database (32 bit office) over the internet to a SQL
Server back end.  Works just fine.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 11/14/2012 3:01 PM, Rocky Smolin wrote:
>
> Dear List:
>
> I have a user who wants to put Windows 7 on a Mac using Parallels.  
> Wants to know if he should get the 32 bit or the 64 bit W7.  Anybody know
the answer?
>
> TIA
>
> Rocky
>

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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Wed Nov 14 15:32:42 2012
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2012 07:32:42 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Windows 7 in Parallels
In-Reply-To: <50A40BAF.4060506@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <5E1B63E3464F491796C8A2B663B92675@HAL9007>,
	<50A40BAF.4060506@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <50A40DFA.21446.27B4981A@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

Answered on Tech.

I agrree with JC - unless he needs to run a leagcy application that 64bit won't run.


On 14 Nov 2012 at 16:22, jwcolby wrote:

> I see no reason to use 32 bit windows any more.  I have a friend using a database of mine.  He has a 
> mac running parallels running Windows 7 X64 running an Access 2K3 database (32 bit office) over the 
> internet to a SQL Server back end.  Works just fine.
> 
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
> 
> Reality is what refuses to go away
> when you do not believe in it
> 
> On 11/14/2012 3:01 PM, Rocky Smolin wrote:
> >
> > Dear List:
> >
> > I have a user who wants to put Windows 7 on a Mac using Parallels.  Wants to
> > know if he should get the 32 bit or the 64 bit W7.  Anybody know the answer?
> >
> > TIA
> >
> > Rocky
> >
> 
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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Wed Nov 14 15:53:54 2012
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2012 22:53:54 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Downloading Web File Automatically
Message-ID: <s0a42121.018@cactus.dk>

Hi David

If you can reach the file via a URL, you can download it directly:

<code>
Option Compare Database
Option Explicit

Private Declare Function URLDownloadToFile Lib "urlmon" Alias "URLDownloadToFileA" ( _
  ByVal pCaller As Long, _
  ByVal szURL As String, _
  ByVal szFileName As String, _
  ByVal dwReserved As Long, _
  ByVal lpfnCB As Long) _
  As Long


Public Function DownloadFile( _
  ByVal strURL As String, _
  ByVal strLocalFilename As String) _
  As Long
  
' Download file or page with public access from the web.
' 2004-12-17. Cactus Data ApS, CPH.

' Usage, download a file:
' lngRet = DownloadFile("http://www.databaseadvisors.com/Graphics/conf2002/2002ConferencePicsbySmolin/images/dba02smolin27.jpg", "c:\happybassett.jpg")
'
' Usage, download a page:
' lngRet = DownloadFile("http://www.databaseadvisors.com/conf2002/conf200202.htm", "c:\dbaconference.htm")

' Returns 0 if success, error code if not.
' Error codes:
' -2146697210 "file not found".
' -2146697211 "domain not found".
' -2147467260 "transfer aborted".

' Limitation.
' Does not check if local file was created successfully.

  Dim lngRetVal As Long
    
  lngRetVal = URLDownloadToFile(0, strURL & vbNullChar, strLocalFilename & vbNullChar, 0, 0)
  
  DownloadFile = lngRetVal
  
End Function
</code>

/gustav


>>> newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz 14-11-12 21:40 >>>
Team,

 

I have an application that imports a csv file.  The file is put up onto a
web site url.  Entering the url in a browser will trigger downloading the
file.

 

Is there a way to automate this in Access.  Ie send the url to a browser,
have the file downloaded to a defined folder where it can then be imported?

 

Regards

David Emerson
Dalyn Software Ltd
Wellington, New Zealand



From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Wed Nov 14 16:04:23 2012
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2012 08:04:23 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Downloading Web File Automatically
In-Reply-To: <008001cdc2a8$5b09de00$111d9a00$@dalyn.co.nz>
References: <008001cdc2a8$5b09de00$111d9a00$@dalyn.co.nz>
Message-ID: <50A41567.28842.27D1980B@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

Even better - A way to automate this in Access which doesn't need to invole a browser.  


Private Declare Function URLDownloadToFile Lib "urlmon" Alias "URLDownloadToFileA" _
(ByVal pCaller As Long, ByVal szURL As String, ByVal szFileName As String, _
ByVal dwReserved As Long, ByVal lpfnCB As Long) As Long


Public Function DownloadFile(URL As String, LocalFilename As String) As Boolean
Dim lngRetVal As Long
lngRetVal = URLDownloadToFile(0, URL, LocalFilename, 0, 0)
If lngRetVal = 0 Then DownloadFile = True
End Function

-- 
Stuart


On 15 Nov 2012 at 9:40, David Emerson wrote:

> Team,
> 
> I have an application that imports a csv file.  The file is put up onto a
> web site url.  Entering the url in a browser will trigger downloading the
> file.
> 
> Is there a way to automate this in Access.  Ie send the url to a browser,
> have the file downloaded to a defined folder where it can then be imported?
> 


From accessd at gfconsultants.com  Thu Nov 15 11:07:58 2012
From: accessd at gfconsultants.com (AccessD)
Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2012 12:07:58 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT-Old Times...BEU
Message-ID: <001301cdc353$cacd0c70$60672550$@com>

I'm not around the list much anymore, but was reminiscing yesterday...
I was cleaning out old MS Outlook folders I don't need anymore and came
across a folder for the BEU.

I have nearly every email we sent as a team and it was quite a trip going
thru them.  It was interesting to read how the ideas developed making the
BEU.  It was also eye opening to see how little I knew back then.  Reading
that yesterday I don't know how I was able to produce code that still works
today - except I had some great teammates.
And then to realize it's been 11 years and 9 months since we started that
work.  I was only 27 - my kids were just babies.

Anyhow, I'd like to mention a few people and just say how much I enjoyed
that experience and thank them for putting up with a pup that didn't know
what the hell he was doing...
Andy Lacey
Bryan Carbonnell
Lembit Soobik

I'm sure I've left out a few, but these three names are burned into my
memory forever.
It was fun reading those messages yesterday and working with you all those
years ago.

BTW, I have 2,840 total emails stored (and this doesn't count the online
meetings we held).
First email was Feb 8, 2001
Last one dated Dec 28, 2005
Version 1 went live on June 19, 2002
Version 2 was released on Oct 14, 2002.

And honestly I'm not sure where it is now.
Anyhow, it was a real pleasure.



Reuben Cummings
GFC, LLC
812.523.1017





From garykjos at gmail.com  Thu Nov 15 11:15:13 2012
From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos)
Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2012 11:15:13 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] OT-Old Times...BEU
In-Reply-To: <001301cdc353$cacd0c70$60672550$@com>
References: <001301cdc353$cacd0c70$60672550$@com>
Message-ID: <CAJ2R_pLFq-R-45PwifeXZU+1PBASEqSyOzSn+FjHdvGJqpSGag@mail.gmail.com>

Nice hearing from you Reuben. While I didn't participate in that
project I was around then and so remember the parts of the discussions
and project that overflowed onto the main list.

GK

On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 11:07 AM, AccessD <accessd at gfconsultants.com> wrote:
> I'm not around the list much anymore, but was reminiscing yesterday...
> I was cleaning out old MS Outlook folders I don't need anymore and came
> across a folder for the BEU.
>
> I have nearly every email we sent as a team and it was quite a trip going
> thru them.  It was interesting to read how the ideas developed making the
> BEU.  It was also eye opening to see how little I knew back then.  Reading
> that yesterday I don't know how I was able to produce code that still works
> today - except I had some great teammates.
> And then to realize it's been 11 years and 9 months since we started that
> work.  I was only 27 - my kids were just babies.
>
> Anyhow, I'd like to mention a few people and just say how much I enjoyed
> that experience and thank them for putting up with a pup that didn't know
> what the hell he was doing...
> Andy Lacey
> Bryan Carbonnell
> Lembit Soobik
>
> I'm sure I've left out a few, but these three names are burned into my
> memory forever.
> It was fun reading those messages yesterday and working with you all those
> years ago.
>
> BTW, I have 2,840 total emails stored (and this doesn't count the online
> meetings we held).
> First email was Feb 8, 2001
> Last one dated Dec 28, 2005
> Version 1 went live on June 19, 2002
> Version 2 was released on Oct 14, 2002.
>
> And honestly I'm not sure where it is now.
> Anyhow, it was a real pleasure.
>
>
>
> Reuben Cummings
> GFC, LLC
> 812.523.1017
>
>
>
>
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Thu Nov 15 11:38:52 2012
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2012 09:38:52 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] OT-Old Times...BEU
In-Reply-To: <001301cdc353$cacd0c70$60672550$@com>
References: <001301cdc353$cacd0c70$60672550$@com>
Message-ID: <329C4E70F18A4B80AE25419AF02609B2@HAL9007>

Puts me in mind of the first AccessD conference - which happened before the
turn of the century and took place in my living room - at which Lembit
presented his idea for the back end updater.  He used transparencies and an
overhead projector for his presentation. :)

Rocky
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of AccessD
Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2012 9:08 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] OT-Old Times...BEU

I'm not around the list much anymore, but was reminiscing yesterday...
I was cleaning out old MS Outlook folders I don't need anymore and came
across a folder for the BEU.

I have nearly every email we sent as a team and it was quite a trip going
thru them.  It was interesting to read how the ideas developed making the
BEU.  It was also eye opening to see how little I knew back then.  Reading
that yesterday I don't know how I was able to produce code that still works
today - except I had some great teammates.
And then to realize it's been 11 years and 9 months since we started that
work.  I was only 27 - my kids were just babies.

Anyhow, I'd like to mention a few people and just say how much I enjoyed
that experience and thank them for putting up with a pup that didn't know
what the hell he was doing...
Andy Lacey
Bryan Carbonnell
Lembit Soobik

I'm sure I've left out a few, but these three names are burned into my
memory forever.
It was fun reading those messages yesterday and working with you all those
years ago.

BTW, I have 2,840 total emails stored (and this doesn't count the online
meetings we held).
First email was Feb 8, 2001
Last one dated Dec 28, 2005
Version 1 went live on June 19, 2002
Version 2 was released on Oct 14, 2002.

And honestly I'm not sure where it is now.
Anyhow, it was a real pleasure.



Reuben Cummings
GFC, LLC
812.523.1017




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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Nov 15 13:06:06 2012
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2012 14:06:06 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Strange limit
Message-ID: <50A53D1E.4080301@colbyconsulting.com>

I am running the folliowing query:

SELECT     Column_Number, Column_Name
FROM         _DataDB101.dbo.DB101_ConsumerLayout
WHERE     (Column_Number IN ('241', '54', '64', '132', '191', '186', '133', '63', '139', '185', 
'129', '151', '201', '147', '127', '113', '261')) OR
                       (Column_Name IN ('145', '141', '187', '52', '122'))

Notice that I am asking for about 22 values in an In() clause.  SQL Server is cutting it off after 
the 17th value returned.

I never knew there was such a limit though of course there would be some limit.  17 is rather small.

-- 
John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it


From RRANTHON at sentara.com  Thu Nov 15 13:15:56 2012
From: RRANTHON at sentara.com (RANDALL R ANTHONY)
Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2012 19:15:56 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Strange limit
In-Reply-To: <50A53D1E.4080301@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <50A53D1E.4080301@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <201211151916.qAFJG9lY019726@databaseadvisors.com>

John,
There's got to be something with your OR clause, as the 17 is the number in the first part of your WHERE clause.  I've got some queries with 20-30 values in an IN clause, work no prob...

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2012 2:06 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving; Sqlserver-Dba
Subject: [AccessD] Strange limit

I am running the folliowing query:

SELECT     Column_Number, Column_Name
FROM         _DataDB101.dbo.DB101_ConsumerLayout
WHERE     (Column_Number IN ('241', '54', '64', '132', '191', '186', '133', '63', '139', '185', 
'129', '151', '201', '147', '127', '113', '261')) OR
                       (Column_Name IN ('145', '141', '187', '52', '122'))

Notice that I am asking for about 22 values in an In() clause.  SQL Server is cutting it off after 
the 17th value returned.

I never knew there was such a limit though of course there would be some limit.  17 is rather small.

-- 
John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Nov 15 13:22:18 2012
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2012 14:22:18 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Strange limit
In-Reply-To: <50A53D1E.4080301@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <50A53D1E.4080301@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <50A540EA.7040304@colbyconsulting.com>

sorry, the second in() should also be in column_number and is how I got around the limitation.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 11/15/2012 2:06 PM, jwcolby wrote:
> I am running the folliowing query:
>
> SELECT     Column_Number, Column_Name
> FROM         _DataDB101.dbo.DB101_ConsumerLayout
> WHERE     (Column_Number IN ('241', '54', '64', '132', '191', '186', '133', '63', '139', '185',
> '129', '151', '201', '147', '127', '113', '261')) OR
>                        (Column_Name IN ('145', '141', '187', '52', '122'))
>
> Notice that I am asking for about 22 values in an In() clause.  SQL Server is cutting it off after
> the 17th value returned.
>
> I never knew there was such a limit though of course there would be some limit.  17 is rather small.
>


From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Nov 15 13:24:18 2012
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2012 14:24:18 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Strange limit
In-Reply-To: <201211151916.qAFJG9lY019726@databaseadvisors.com>
References: <50A53D1E.4080301@colbyconsulting.com>
	<201211151916.qAFJG9lY019726@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <50A54162.4080109@colbyconsulting.com>

Actually there is, when I carved it up into two pieces I placed the second piece into the wrong field.

That said, the query originally was just one big list of 22 values which ran but limited the results 
to 17 values.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 11/15/2012 2:15 PM, RANDALL R ANTHONY wrote:
> John,
> There's got to be something with your OR clause, as the 17 is the number in the first part of your WHERE clause.  I've got some queries with 20-30 values in an IN clause, work no prob...
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
> Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2012 2:06 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving; Sqlserver-Dba
> Subject: [AccessD] Strange limit
>
> I am running the folliowing query:
>
> SELECT     Column_Number, Column_Name
> FROM         _DataDB101.dbo.DB101_ConsumerLayout
> WHERE     (Column_Number IN ('241', '54', '64', '132', '191', '186', '133', '63', '139', '185',
> '129', '151', '201', '147', '127', '113', '261')) OR
>                         (Column_Name IN ('145', '141', '187', '52', '122'))
>
> Notice that I am asking for about 22 values in an In() clause.  SQL Server is cutting it off after
> the 17th value returned.
>
> I never knew there was such a limit though of course there would be some limit.  17 is rather small.
>


From accessd at shaw.ca  Thu Nov 15 13:42:13 2012
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2012 11:42:13 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Strange limit
In-Reply-To: <50A53D1E.4080301@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <50A53D1E.4080301@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <C2C5BEA4EAF1489D9FE5B025C64D908A@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Or is it just stopping at the OR clause?

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2012 11:06 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving; Sqlserver-Dba
Subject: [AccessD] Strange limit

I am running the folliowing query:

SELECT     Column_Number, Column_Name
FROM         _DataDB101.dbo.DB101_ConsumerLayout
WHERE     (Column_Number IN ('241', '54', '64', '132', '191', '186', '133',
'63', '139', '185', 
'129', '151', '201', '147', '127', '113', '261')) OR
                       (Column_Name IN ('145', '141', '187', '52', '122'))

Notice that I am asking for about 22 values in an In() clause.  SQL Server
is cutting it off after 
the 17th value returned.

I never knew there was such a limit though of course there would be some
limit.  17 is rather small.

-- 
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Colby Consulting

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From accessd at shaw.ca  Thu Nov 15 13:45:59 2012
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2012 11:45:59 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] OT-Old Times...BEU
In-Reply-To: <001301cdc353$cacd0c70$60672550$@com>
References: <001301cdc353$cacd0c70$60672550$@com>
Message-ID: <87BA63944A88431B984E61341B2A069A@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Hi Reuben:

Nice to see you are still in the business. Getting close to the big '40'.

So what line of business are you into now?

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of AccessD
Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2012 9:08 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] OT-Old Times...BEU

I'm not around the list much anymore, but was reminiscing yesterday...
I was cleaning out old MS Outlook folders I don't need anymore and came
across a folder for the BEU.

I have nearly every email we sent as a team and it was quite a trip going
thru them.  It was interesting to read how the ideas developed making the
BEU.  It was also eye opening to see how little I knew back then.  Reading
that yesterday I don't know how I was able to produce code that still works
today - except I had some great teammates.
And then to realize it's been 11 years and 9 months since we started that
work.  I was only 27 - my kids were just babies.

Anyhow, I'd like to mention a few people and just say how much I enjoyed
that experience and thank them for putting up with a pup that didn't know
what the hell he was doing...
Andy Lacey
Bryan Carbonnell
Lembit Soobik

I'm sure I've left out a few, but these three names are burned into my
memory forever.
It was fun reading those messages yesterday and working with you all those
years ago.

BTW, I have 2,840 total emails stored (and this doesn't count the online
meetings we held).
First email was Feb 8, 2001
Last one dated Dec 28, 2005
Version 1 went live on June 19, 2002
Version 2 was released on Oct 14, 2002.

And honestly I'm not sure where it is now.
Anyhow, it was a real pleasure.



Reuben Cummings
GFC, LLC
812.523.1017




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From Lambert.Heenan at chartisinsurance.com  Thu Nov 15 14:25:42 2012
From: Lambert.Heenan at chartisinsurance.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2012 15:25:42 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Strange limit
In-Reply-To: <50A53D1E.4080301@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <F5B2E2ECEE84F142883A2E6DCA867F9801A7FD56AD@LIVP3MMBX10.mail.aig.net>

John,

Can we see your original SQL that only returns 17 values, even though you asked for 22?

Lambert

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2012 2:06 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving; Sqlserver-Dba
Subject: [AccessD] Strange limit

I am running the folliowing query:

SELECT     Column_Number, Column_Name
FROM         _DataDB101.dbo.DB101_ConsumerLayout
WHERE     (Column_Number IN ('241', '54', '64', '132', '191', '186', '133', '63', '139', '185', 
'129', '151', '201', '147', '127', '113', '261')) OR
                       (Column_Name IN ('145', '141', '187', '52', '122'))

Notice that I am asking for about 22 values in an In() clause.  SQL Server is cutting it off after the 17th value returned.

I never knew there was such a limit though of course there would be some limit.  17 is rather small.

--
John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

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From RRANTHON at sentara.com  Thu Nov 15 14:27:27 2012
From: RRANTHON at sentara.com (RANDALL R ANTHONY)
Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2012 20:27:27 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Strange limit
In-Reply-To: <C2C5BEA4EAF1489D9FE5B025C64D908A@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <50A53D1E.4080301@colbyconsulting.com>
	<C2C5BEA4EAF1489D9FE5B025C64D908A@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <201211152027.qAFKRZXh002938@databaseadvisors.com>

Just ran this straight sql query, notice 27 columns (thereabouts), IIRC in SQL the parameter limit is something like 64K.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2012 2:42 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Strange limit

Or is it just stopping at the OR clause?

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2012 11:06 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving; Sqlserver-Dba
Subject: [AccessD] Strange limit

I am running the folliowing query:

SELECT     Column_Number, Column_Name
FROM         _DataDB101.dbo.DB101_ConsumerLayout
WHERE     (Column_Number IN ('241', '54', '64', '132', '191', '186', '133',
'63', '139', '185', 
'129', '151', '201', '147', '127', '113', '261')) OR
                       (Column_Name IN ('145', '141', '187', '52', '122'))

Notice that I am asking for about 22 values in an In() clause.  SQL Server
is cutting it off after 
the 17th value returned.

I never knew there was such a limit though of course there would be some
limit.  17 is rather small.

-- 
John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

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From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Thu Nov 15 14:29:04 2012
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2012 20:29:04 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] OT-Old Times...BEU
In-Reply-To: <87BA63944A88431B984E61341B2A069A@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <06531C85B85A4722982EBD2E3E43A956@MINSTER>

Hi Reuben
Nice bit of reminiscing. That project was really enjoyable I agree. First
and only time I ever did anything long-range collaborative and it was great
fun. Mustn't forget the constructive criticism from such as Gustav and JC
too. I'm still pretty proud of that piece of software and, amazingly, still
use it almost every week. Back when Access seemed to have a future <sigh>

Good to hear from you.

Cheers and take care

Andy

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: 15 November 2012 19:46
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT-Old Times...BEU


Hi Reuben:

Nice to see you are still in the business. Getting close to the big '40'.

So what line of business are you into now?

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of AccessD
Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2012 9:08 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] OT-Old Times...BEU

I'm not around the list much anymore, but was reminiscing yesterday...
I was cleaning out old MS Outlook folders I don't need anymore and came
across a folder for the BEU.

I have nearly every email we sent as a team and it was quite a trip going
thru them.  It was interesting to read how the ideas developed making the
BEU.  It was also eye opening to see how little I knew back then.  Reading
that yesterday I don't know how I was able to produce code that still works
today - except I had some great teammates.
And then to realize it's been 11 years and 9 months since we started that
work.  I was only 27 - my kids were just babies.

Anyhow, I'd like to mention a few people and just say how much I enjoyed
that experience and thank them for putting up with a pup that didn't know
what the hell he was doing...
Andy Lacey
Bryan Carbonnell
Lembit Soobik

I'm sure I've left out a few, but these three names are burned into my
memory forever.
It was fun reading those messages yesterday and working with you all those
years ago.

BTW, I have 2,840 total emails stored (and this doesn't count the online
meetings we held).
First email was Feb 8, 2001
Last one dated Dec 28, 2005
Version 1 went live on June 19, 2002
Version 2 was released on Oct 14, 2002.

And honestly I'm not sure where it is now.
Anyhow, it was a real pleasure.



Reuben Cummings
GFC, LLC
812.523.1017




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From RRANTHON at sentara.com  Thu Nov 15 14:29:05 2012
From: RRANTHON at sentara.com (RANDALL R ANTHONY)
Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2012 20:29:05 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Strange limit
In-Reply-To: <C2C5BEA4EAF1489D9FE5B025C64D908A@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <50A53D1E.4080301@colbyconsulting.com>
	<C2C5BEA4EAF1489D9FE5B025C64D908A@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <201211152029.qAFKTBBo004553@databaseadvisors.com>

D'OH, just left out the query...
select * FROM tablename
where columnname in 
('', '', '', '', '', '', '', '', '', '', '', '', '', '', '', '', '', '', '', '', '', '', '', '', '', '', '')

Just ran this straight sql query, notice 27 columns (thereabouts), IIRC in SQL the parameter limit is something like 64K.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2012 2:42 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Strange limit

Or is it just stopping at the OR clause?

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2012 11:06 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving; Sqlserver-Dba
Subject: [AccessD] Strange limit

I am running the folliowing query:

SELECT     Column_Number, Column_Name
FROM         _DataDB101.dbo.DB101_ConsumerLayout
WHERE     (Column_Number IN ('241', '54', '64', '132', '191', '186', '133',
'63', '139', '185', 
'129', '151', '201', '147', '127', '113', '261')) OR
                       (Column_Name IN ('145', '141', '187', '52', '122'))

Notice that I am asking for about 22 values in an In() clause.  SQL Server
is cutting it off after 
the 17th value returned.

I never knew there was such a limit though of course there would be some
limit.  17 is rather small.

-- 
John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

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From jackandpat.d at gmail.com  Thu Nov 15 15:18:23 2012
From: jackandpat.d at gmail.com (jack drawbridge)
Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2012 16:18:23 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Strange limit
In-Reply-To: <201211152029.qAFKTBBo004553@databaseadvisors.com>
References: <50A53D1E.4080301@colbyconsulting.com>
	<C2C5BEA4EAF1489D9FE5B025C64D908A@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<201211152029.qAFKTBBo004553@databaseadvisors.com>
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John,

You have 2 different fields in your SQL
Column_Number and Column_Name -- is that an issue?

'''''''''''''''''''''''''''
(Column_Number IN ('241', '54', '64', '132', '191', '186', '133', '63',
'139', '185', '129', '151', '201', '147', '127', '113', '261')) OR
                      (Column_Name IN ('145', '141', '187', '52', '122'))
'''''''''''''''''''''''''''

On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 3:29 PM, RANDALL R ANTHONY <RRANTHON at sentara.com>wrote:

> D'OH, just left out the query...
> select * FROM tablename
> where columnname in
> ('', '', '', '', '', '', '', '', '', '', '', '', '', '', '', '', '', '',
> '', '', '', '', '', '', '', '', '')
>
> Just ran this straight sql query, notice 27 columns (thereabouts), IIRC in
> SQL the parameter limit is something like 64K.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:
> accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
> Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2012 2:42 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Strange limit
>
> Or is it just stopping at the OR clause?
>
> Jim
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
> Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2012 11:06 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving; Sqlserver-Dba
> Subject: [AccessD] Strange limit
>
> I am running the folliowing query:
>
> SELECT     Column_Number, Column_Name
> FROM         _DataDB101.dbo.DB101_ConsumerLayout
> WHERE     (Column_Number IN ('241', '54', '64', '132', '191', '186', '133',
> '63', '139', '185',
> '129', '151', '201', '147', '127', '113', '261')) OR
>                        (Column_Name IN ('145', '141', '187', '52', '122'))
>
> Notice that I am asking for about 22 values in an In() clause.  SQL Server
> is cutting it off after
> the 17th value returned.
>
> I never knew there was such a limit though of course there would be some
> limit.  17 is rather small.
>
> --
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
>
> Reality is what refuses to go away
> when you do not believe in it
>
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From BradM at blackforestltd.com  Thu Nov 15 15:23:17 2012
From: BradM at blackforestltd.com (Brad Marks)
Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2012 15:23:17 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Is There a Way to Invoke the Windows "Print Dialogue"
	from VBA code?
References: <50A53D1E.4080301@colbyconsulting.com><C2C5BEA4EAF1489D9FE5B025C64D908A@creativesystemdesigns.com><201211152029.qAFKTBBo004553@databaseadvisors.com>
	<CAKvidAvX1V--ZSxuuyNX2=i46qTZqDs2eqi32gcsv44U4BDtWw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C50177344F@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>

All,

We have a small report (1-5 pages) that is printed very frequently.

The primary user has two monitors.  She has a purchased application
system shown on one monitor for data entry.

She uses the second monitor to view the small report  (built with Access
2007).  This works nicely.

The Access report has a button to "Refresh" the data (DoCmd.Requery).
This also works nicely.

Every once in a while, the user will change the data in the purchased
application system and forget to push the refresh button on the Access
report.  When this happens, the data shown on the printed report is not
up to date.

Currently, to print the report, the Windows "Print Dialogue" is invoked
from the "Big Round Button" (top left).  This dialogue gives the user
the ability to print multiple copies and/or to print select pages.  

I would like to add a button to the report to (1) refresh the data (2)
invoke the Windows Print Dialogue.

Is there a way to do this with VBA code?

Thanks,
Brad


From BradM at blackforestltd.com  Thu Nov 15 15:43:57 2012
From: BradM at blackforestltd.com (Brad Marks)
Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2012 15:43:57 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Is There a Way to Invoke the Windows "Print
	Dialogue"from VBA code?
References: <50A53D1E.4080301@colbyconsulting.com><C2C5BEA4EAF1489D9FE5B025C64D908A@creativesystemdesigns.com><201211152029.qAFKTBBo004553@databaseadvisors.com><CAKvidAvX1V--ZSxuuyNX2=i46qTZqDs2eqi32gcsv44U4BDtWw@mail.gmail.com>
	<E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C50177344F@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
Message-ID: <E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C50177345C@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>

More Background... 

I have tested some VBA code that uses the "SendKeys" command.  

This works Okay, but I remember reading someplace, a couple years ago,
that it is good to avoid this approach.

Therefore I am looking for an alternative to "Sendkeys"

Thanks,
Brad 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brad Marks
Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2012 3:23 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Is There a Way to Invoke the Windows "Print
Dialogue"from VBA code?

All,

We have a small report (1-5 pages) that is printed very frequently.

The primary user has two monitors.  She has a purchased application
system shown on one monitor for data entry.

She uses the second monitor to view the small report  (built with Access
2007).  This works nicely.

The Access report has a button to "Refresh" the data (DoCmd.Requery).
This also works nicely.

Every once in a while, the user will change the data in the purchased
application system and forget to push the refresh button on the Access
report.  When this happens, the data shown on the printed report is not
up to date.

Currently, to print the report, the Windows "Print Dialogue" is invoked
from the "Big Round Button" (top left).  This dialogue gives the user
the ability to print multiple copies and/or to print select pages.  

I would like to add a button to the report to (1) refresh the data (2)
invoke the Windows Print Dialogue.

Is there a way to do this with VBA code?

Thanks,
Brad

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From steve at datamanagementsolutions.biz  Thu Nov 15 15:50:53 2012
From: steve at datamanagementsolutions.biz (Steve Schapel)
Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2012 10:50:53 +1300
Subject: [AccessD] Is There a Way to Invoke the Windows
	"PrintDialogue"from VBA code?
In-Reply-To: <E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C50177345C@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
References: <50A53D1E.4080301@colbyconsulting.com><C2C5BEA4EAF1489D9FE5B025C64D908A@creativesystemdesigns.com><201211152029.qAFKTBBo004553@databaseadvisors.com><CAKvidAvX1V--ZSxuuyNX2=i46qTZqDs2eqi32gcsv44U4BDtWw@mail.gmail.com><E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C50177344F@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
	<E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C50177345C@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
Message-ID: <E1F516E51DC049DFA913B8F23639DADA@stevelaptop>

Hi Brad

Try this:
DoCmd.RunCommand acCmdPrint

Regards
Steve

-----Original Message----- 
From: Brad Marks
Sent: Friday, November 16, 2012 10:43 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Is There a Way to Invoke the Windows 
"PrintDialogue"from VBA code?

More Background...

I have tested some VBA code that uses the "SendKeys" command.

This works Okay, but I remember reading someplace, a couple years ago,
that it is good to avoid this approach.

Therefore I am looking for an alternative to "Sendkeys"

Thanks,
Brad



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brad Marks
Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2012 3:23 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Is There a Way to Invoke the Windows "Print
Dialogue"from VBA code?

All,

We have a small report (1-5 pages) that is printed very frequently.

The primary user has two monitors.  She has a purchased application
system shown on one monitor for data entry.

She uses the second monitor to view the small report  (built with Access
2007).  This works nicely.

The Access report has a button to "Refresh" the data (DoCmd.Requery).
This also works nicely.

Every once in a while, the user will change the data in the purchased
application system and forget to push the refresh button on the Access
report.  When this happens, the data shown on the printed report is not
up to date.

Currently, to print the report, the Windows "Print Dialogue" is invoked
from the "Big Round Button" (top left).  This dialogue gives the user
the ability to print multiple copies and/or to print select pages.

I would like to add a button to the report to (1) refresh the data (2)
invoke the Windows Print Dialogue.

Is there a way to do this with VBA code?

Thanks,
Brad

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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Thu Nov 15 15:59:52 2012
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2012 07:59:52 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Is There a Way to Invoke the Windows "Print Dialogue"
	from VBA code?
In-Reply-To: <E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C50177344F@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
References: <50A53D1E.4080301@colbyconsulting.com>,
	<E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C50177344F@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
Message-ID: <50A565D8.32476.2CF3D45A@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

Private Sub cmdRequeryAndPrint_Click()
DoCmd.Requery
DoCmd.RunCommand acCmdPrint
End Sub


On 15 Nov 2012 at 15:23, Brad Marks wrote:

> All,
> 
> We have a small report (1-5 pages) that is printed very frequently.
> 
> The primary user has two monitors.  She has a purchased application
> system shown on one monitor for data entry.
> 
> She uses the second monitor to view the small report  (built with Access
> 2007).  This works nicely.
> 
> The Access report has a button to "Refresh" the data (DoCmd.Requery).
> This also works nicely.
> 
> Every once in a while, the user will change the data in the purchased
> application system and forget to push the refresh button on the Access
> report.  When this happens, the data shown on the printed report is not
> up to date.
> 
> Currently, to print the report, the Windows "Print Dialogue" is invoked
> from the "Big Round Button" (top left).  This dialogue gives the user
> the ability to print multiple copies and/or to print select pages.  
> 
> I would like to add a button to the report to (1) refresh the data (2)
> invoke the Windows Print Dialogue.
> 
> Is there a way to do this with VBA code?
> 
> Thanks,
> Brad
> 
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From BradM at blackforestltd.com  Thu Nov 15 16:17:09 2012
From: BradM at blackforestltd.com (Brad Marks)
Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2012 16:17:09 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Is There a Way to Invoke the Windows "Print
	Dialogue"from VBA code?
References: <50A53D1E.4080301@colbyconsulting.com>,
	<E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C50177344F@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
	<50A565D8.32476.2CF3D45A@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C501773472@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>

Steve and Stuart,

Thanks for the help.

Works like a champ!!!

I appreciate the assistance.

Brad



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart
McLachlan
Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2012 4:00 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Is There a Way to Invoke the Windows "Print
Dialogue"from VBA code?

Private Sub cmdRequeryAndPrint_Click()
DoCmd.Requery
DoCmd.RunCommand acCmdPrint
End Sub


On 15 Nov 2012 at 15:23, Brad Marks wrote:

> All,
> 
> We have a small report (1-5 pages) that is printed very frequently.
> 
> The primary user has two monitors.  She has a purchased application
> system shown on one monitor for data entry.
> 
> She uses the second monitor to view the small report  (built with
Access
> 2007).  This works nicely.
> 
> The Access report has a button to "Refresh" the data (DoCmd.Requery).
> This also works nicely.
> 
> Every once in a while, the user will change the data in the purchased
> application system and forget to push the refresh button on the Access
> report.  When this happens, the data shown on the printed report is
not
> up to date.
> 
> Currently, to print the report, the Windows "Print Dialogue" is
invoked
> from the "Big Round Button" (top left).  This dialogue gives the user
> the ability to print multiple copies and/or to print select pages.  
> 
> I would like to add a button to the report to (1) refresh the data (2)
> invoke the Windows Print Dialogue.
> 
> Is there a way to do this with VBA code?
> 
> Thanks,
> Brad
> 
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Nov 15 21:24:25 2012
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2012 22:24:25 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] I got my Android update
Message-ID: <50A5B1E9.4090903@colbyconsulting.com>

My original Nexus 7 got the update to Android 4.2 tonight.  This update allows users for the first 
time.  I'm playing with that now.
-- 
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when you do not believe in it


From newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz  Thu Nov 15 21:58:05 2012
From: newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz (David Emerson)
Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2012 16:58:05 +1300
Subject: [AccessD] Downloading Web File Automatically
In-Reply-To: <50A41567.28842.27D1980B@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <008001cdc2a8$5b09de00$111d9a00$@dalyn.co.nz>
	<50A41567.28842.27D1980B@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <010201cdc3ae$95039c20$bf0ad460$@dalyn.co.nz>

Thanks Gustav and Stuart.  Your suggestion worked perfectly.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
Sent: Thursday, 15 November 2012 11:04 a.m.
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Downloading Web File Automatically

Even better - A way to automate this in Access which doesn't need to invole
a browser.  


Private Declare Function URLDownloadToFile Lib "urlmon" Alias
"URLDownloadToFileA" _ (ByVal pCaller As Long, ByVal szURL As String, ByVal
szFileName As String, _ ByVal dwReserved As Long, ByVal lpfnCB As Long) As
Long


Public Function DownloadFile(URL As String, LocalFilename As String) As
Boolean Dim lngRetVal As Long lngRetVal = URLDownloadToFile(0, URL,
LocalFilename, 0, 0) If lngRetVal = 0 Then DownloadFile = True End Function

--
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On 15 Nov 2012 at 9:40, David Emerson wrote:

> Team,
> 
> I have an application that imports a csv file.  The file is put up onto a
> web site url.  Entering the url in a browser will trigger downloading the
> file.
> 
> Is there a way to automate this in Access.  Ie send the url to a browser,
> have the file downloaded to a defined folder where it can then be
imported?
> 

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From charlotte.foust at gmail.com  Thu Nov 15 22:19:02 2012
From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2012 20:19:02 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] I got my Android update
In-Reply-To: <50A5B1E9.4090903@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <50A5B1E9.4090903@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <CAH+Met-j-EU_F=9SBBLNW0dz=ySTjm_J9Np5i4QC7V5VHPvd+Q@mail.gmail.com>

So how is jellybean noticeably different from ice cream sandwich?

Charlotte

On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 7:24 PM, jwcolby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>wrote:

> My original Nexus 7 got the update to Android 4.2 tonight.  This update
> allows users for the first time.  I'm playing with that now.
> --
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> Colby Consulting
>
> Reality is what refuses to go away
> when you do not believe in it
>
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Nov 16 05:35:43 2012
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2012 06:35:43 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] I got my Android Jellybean 4.2 update
In-Reply-To: <CAH+Met-j-EU_F=9SBBLNW0dz=ySTjm_J9Np5i4QC7V5VHPvd+Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <50A5B1E9.4090903@colbyconsulting.com>
	<CAH+Met-j-EU_F=9SBBLNW0dz=ySTjm_J9Np5i4QC7V5VHPvd+Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <50A6250F.8070902@colbyconsulting.com>

 > So how is jellybean noticeably different from ice cream sandwich?

Well....

I have ICS on my Nexus3 phone.  For starters it does not have project Butter which is the 
optimizations for speed.  It also does not have the new users stuff (which is pretty cool actually), 
although only the 4.2 version of Jellybean has user, the previous version (4.1x) does not. 
Jellybean is a fairly major update from ICS - 4.04 to 4.2.

For a phone, users are probably pretty immaterial but for my Nexus 7 tablet it is very nice to have. 
  My son was constantly ordering stuff "by mistake" because my user had my Google account hooked up 
with a CC.  Now he has his own user and can't download anything.  I set up my account on his user, 
"downloaded" all of his games, then deleted my Google account.

Furthermore he was constantly complaining about my daughter Allie playing his games and ruining his 
scores etc.  With the users, each child (user) has their own scores for the games.  My wife as well.

Kinda nice all in all.  It really seems to work so far, though I have only played with it for an 
hour or so.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 11/15/2012 11:19 PM, Charlotte Foust wrote:
> So how is jellybean noticeably different from ice cream sandwich?
>
> Charlotte
>
> On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 7:24 PM, jwcolby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>wrote:
>
>> My original Nexus 7 got the update to Android 4.2 tonight.  This update
>> allows users for the first time.  I'm playing with that now.
>> --
>> John W. Colby
>> Colby Consulting
>>
>> Reality is what refuses to go away
>> when you do not believe in it
>>
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From Lambert.Heenan at chartisinsurance.com  Fri Nov 16 09:22:35 2012
From: Lambert.Heenan at chartisinsurance.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2012 10:22:35 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Access 2002/2003 Very strange behavior
Message-ID: <F5B2E2ECEE84F142883A2E6DCA867F9801A7FD572A@LIVP3MMBX10.mail.aig.net>

x-posted to Access-D and Access-L

Post hurricane Sandy I have a group of users now running on Virtual Machines, and a smaller group who are operating remotely on their Blade computers that they have had for some years. A small sub-set of these users are having trouble opening applications they have been using for years. These are Access 2002/2003 applications, split into the usual Front End/Back End configuration.

Most users are working fine, but there are some who get the message "This database is in an unrecognized format." when they try to launch the front end MDE file, and one user gets "The expression you entered has a function name that [App Name] can't find."

One application is set up so each user has their own copy of the front end, and with another app. the (small) user group shares a single front end.

I have found that for the first application, where users have their own copy, I was able to get them going by giving them a copy of the MDB file which the MDE is created from. They now see neither of those two messages. I have decompiled and rebuilt the MDE file, but still those two users cannot open it. (Little piece of detail, those two users happen to be remotely using a Blade computer, not a virtual machine.

So they can run the MDB, but not the MDE. What's up with that?

Then there is one user of the shared application who gets the "This database is in an unrecognized format." message, and yet all the other users have no trouble opening it. With that user if I get them to open the MDB version of the front end they simply get an hour glass for a longish time, and then Access comes back and says it has detected a corruption in the file, and the MDB is toast. All of this when nobody else is using the application.

Does anyone have any brilliant ideas? Why would an MDB file work for some users and the corresponding MDE not? What might be causing the corruption of the other MDB file?

Been struggling with this for the past two days! Any suggestions would be appreciated.



Lambert

From accessd at shaw.ca  Fri Nov 16 09:58:06 2012
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2012 07:58:06 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Access 2002/2003 Very strange behavior
In-Reply-To: <F5B2E2ECEE84F142883A2E6DCA867F9801A7FD572A@LIVP3MMBX10.mail.aig.net>
References: <F5B2E2ECEE84F142883A2E6DCA867F9801A7FD572A@LIVP3MMBX10.mail.aig.net>
Message-ID: <158C508A4AA2497591BCC936E746B458@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Hi Lambert:

I had a similar set of issues a few years ago and found it all related to
some corrupt set of functions/subroutines/forms/tables. The problem was
solved by cutting out the contents of a module and dumping it into notepad. 

After all the modules/queries had been copied I opened up a blank MDB and
dragged all the forms and reports across and then created new modules and
populated them with the notepad contents. Each table was exported to a new
table in the new MDB file.

After that, the new MDB compiled and ran fine. I had no idea what exactly
the problems were but believe it was cause by power issues. (I have also
noticed the data moved to a SQL backend tends to be more resilient and less
susceptible to data corruption especially in unstable power environments.)

Jim 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan, Lambert
Sent: Friday, November 16, 2012 7:23 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Access 2002/2003 Very strange behavior

x-posted to Access-D and Access-L

Post hurricane Sandy I have a group of users now running on Virtual
Machines, and a smaller group who are operating remotely on their Blade
computers that they have had for some years. A small sub-set of these users
are having trouble opening applications they have been using for years.
These are Access 2002/2003 applications, split into the usual Front End/Back
End configuration.

Most users are working fine, but there are some who get the message "This
database is in an unrecognized format." when they try to launch the front
end MDE file, and one user gets "The expression you entered has a function
name that [App Name] can't find."

One application is set up so each user has their own copy of the front end,
and with another app. the (small) user group shares a single front end.

I have found that for the first application, where users have their own
copy, I was able to get them going by giving them a copy of the MDB file
which the MDE is created from. They now see neither of those two messages. I
have decompiled and rebuilt the MDE file, but still those two users cannot
open it. (Little piece of detail, those two users happen to be remotely
using a Blade computer, not a virtual machine.

So they can run the MDB, but not the MDE. What's up with that?

Then there is one user of the shared application who gets the "This database
is in an unrecognized format." message, and yet all the other users have no
trouble opening it. With that user if I get them to open the MDB version of
the front end they simply get an hour glass for a longish time, and then
Access comes back and says it has detected a corruption in the file, and the
MDB is toast. All of this when nobody else is using the application.

Does anyone have any brilliant ideas? Why would an MDB file work for some
users and the corresponding MDE not? What might be causing the corruption of
the other MDB file?

Been struggling with this for the past two days! Any suggestions would be
appreciated.



Lambert
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From Lambert.Heenan at chartisinsurance.com  Fri Nov 16 10:45:36 2012
From: Lambert.Heenan at chartisinsurance.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2012 11:45:36 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Access 2002/2003 Very strange behavior
In-Reply-To: <158C508A4AA2497591BCC936E746B458@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <F5B2E2ECEE84F142883A2E6DCA867F9801A7FD5754@LIVP3MMBX10.mail.aig.net>

Thanks for that Jim. I'll give that a go.

Lambert 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Friday, November 16, 2012 10:58 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access 2002/2003 Very strange behavior

Hi Lambert:

I had a similar set of issues a few years ago and found it all related to some corrupt set of functions/subroutines/forms/tables. The problem was solved by cutting out the contents of a module and dumping it into notepad. 

After all the modules/queries had been copied I opened up a blank MDB and dragged all the forms and reports across and then created new modules and populated them with the notepad contents. Each table was exported to a new table in the new MDB file.

After that, the new MDB compiled and ran fine. I had no idea what exactly the problems were but believe it was cause by power issues. (I have also noticed the data moved to a SQL backend tends to be more resilient and less susceptible to data corruption especially in unstable power environments.)

Jim 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan, Lambert
Sent: Friday, November 16, 2012 7:23 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Access 2002/2003 Very strange behavior

x-posted to Access-D and Access-L

Post hurricane Sandy I have a group of users now running on Virtual Machines, and a smaller group who are operating remotely on their Blade computers that they have had for some years. A small sub-set of these users are having trouble opening applications they have been using for years.
These are Access 2002/2003 applications, split into the usual Front End/Back End configuration.

Most users are working fine, but there are some who get the message "This database is in an unrecognized format." when they try to launch the front end MDE file, and one user gets "The expression you entered has a function name that [App Name] can't find."

One application is set up so each user has their own copy of the front end, and with another app. the (small) user group shares a single front end.

I have found that for the first application, where users have their own copy, I was able to get them going by giving them a copy of the MDB file which the MDE is created from. They now see neither of those two messages. I have decompiled and rebuilt the MDE file, but still those two users cannot open it. (Little piece of detail, those two users happen to be remotely using a Blade computer, not a virtual machine.

So they can run the MDB, but not the MDE. What's up with that?

Then there is one user of the shared application who gets the "This database is in an unrecognized format." message, and yet all the other users have no trouble opening it. With that user if I get them to open the MDB version of the front end they simply get an hour glass for a longish time, and then Access comes back and says it has detected a corruption in the file, and the MDB is toast. All of this when nobody else is using the application.

Does anyone have any brilliant ideas? Why would an MDB file work for some users and the corresponding MDE not? What might be causing the corruption of the other MDB file?

Been struggling with this for the past two days! Any suggestions would be appreciated.



Lambert
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From charlotte.foust at gmail.com  Fri Nov 16 13:30:13 2012
From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2012 11:30:13 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] I got my Android Jellybean 4.2 update
In-Reply-To: <50A6250F.8070902@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <50A5B1E9.4090903@colbyconsulting.com>
	<CAH+Met-j-EU_F=9SBBLNW0dz=ySTjm_J9Np5i4QC7V5VHPvd+Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<50A6250F.8070902@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <CAH+Met9-Wp8D4pcKoreVrxrwYF3H6sK=ayjtyoaDQxBp9MN4Hw@mail.gmail.com>

Sweet!  I may have to get a new tablet, although I'm leaning toward Surface
just for the experience and the ability to play with Win8 without mucking
up my laptop.

Charlotte

On Fri, Nov 16, 2012 at 3:35 AM, jwcolby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>wrote:

> > So how is jellybean noticeably different from ice cream sandwich?
>
> Well....
>
> I have ICS on my Nexus3 phone.  For starters it does not have project
> Butter which is the optimizations for speed.  It also does not have the new
> users stuff (which is pretty cool actually), although only the 4.2 version
> of Jellybean has user, the previous version (4.1x) does not. Jellybean is a
> fairly major update from ICS - 4.04 to 4.2.
>
> For a phone, users are probably pretty immaterial but for my Nexus 7
> tablet it is very nice to have.  My son was constantly ordering stuff "by
> mistake" because my user had my Google account hooked up with a CC.  Now he
> has his own user and can't download anything.  I set up my account on his
> user, "downloaded" all of his games, then deleted my Google account.
>
> Furthermore he was constantly complaining about my daughter Allie playing
> his games and ruining his scores etc.  With the users, each child (user)
> has their own scores for the games.  My wife as well.
>
> Kinda nice all in all.  It really seems to work so far, though I have only
> played with it for an hour or so.
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
>
> Reality is what refuses to go away
> when you do not believe in it
>
> On 11/15/2012 11:19 PM, Charlotte Foust wrote:
>
>> So how is jellybean noticeably different from ice cream sandwich?
>>
>> Charlotte
>>
>> On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 7:24 PM, jwcolby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>**
>> wrote:
>>
>>  My original Nexus 7 got the update to Android 4.2 tonight.  This update
>>> allows users for the first time.  I'm playing with that now.
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Nov 16 18:01:03 2012
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2012 19:01:03 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] [SPAM] Re:  I got my Android Jellybean 4.2 update
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 > Sweet!

It is sweet.  I have set up three additional users in addition to "Owner" which is my account. 
Passwords on each except for my daughter Allie's.  I went through the pain / nonsense of getting all 
of the apps / games installed on each of those accounts.

Each has its own desktop which includes a "splash screen" or picture as you select a user.  You can 
take a picture (or download one) to be used as a tiny gif for the users.  I used the tablet camera 
to take a picture of myself and the result is the size of my fingernail.

All in all it makes the one tablet very usable by multiple people.  The biggest issue now is simply 
the 8gb limit on the internal ssd.luckily the users really do share any apps that they have in 
common.  However music and photos will fill the ssd quickly.

I purchased a Seagate Satellite 500gb drive with built in WIFI access point  for traveling with this 
thing.  The Satellite can stream video or music to at least 4 different devices.  Of course you have 
to use that so the Nexus 7 by itself doesn't make a very good video device.

I am taking my 11 YO son and his friend to Arizona for 10 days at Christmas.  I will be taking the 
Nexus and the Satellite as well as my S3 smart phone.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 11/16/2012 2:30 PM, Charlotte Foust wrote:
> Sweet!  I may have to get a new tablet, although I'm leaning toward Surface
> just for the experience and the ability to play with Win8 without mucking
> up my laptop.
>
> Charlotte
>
> On Fri, Nov 16, 2012 at 3:35 AM, jwcolby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>wrote:
>
>>> So how is jellybean noticeably different from ice cream sandwich?
>>
>> Well....
>>
>> I have ICS on my Nexus3 phone.  For starters it does not have project
>> Butter which is the optimizations for speed.  It also does not have the new
>> users stuff (which is pretty cool actually), although only the 4.2 version
>> of Jellybean has user, the previous version (4.1x) does not. Jellybean is a
>> fairly major update from ICS - 4.04 to 4.2.
>>
>> For a phone, users are probably pretty immaterial but for my Nexus 7
>> tablet it is very nice to have.  My son was constantly ordering stuff "by
>> mistake" because my user had my Google account hooked up with a CC.  Now he
>> has his own user and can't download anything.  I set up my account on his
>> user, "downloaded" all of his games, then deleted my Google account.
>>
>> Furthermore he was constantly complaining about my daughter Allie playing
>> his games and ruining his scores etc.  With the users, each child (user)
>> has their own scores for the games.  My wife as well.
>>
>> Kinda nice all in all.  It really seems to work so far, though I have only
>> played with it for an hour or so.
>>
>> John W. Colby
>> Colby Consulting


From vbacreations at gmail.com  Fri Nov 16 22:28:23 2012
From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson)
Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2012 23:28:23 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] [SPAM] Re: I got my Android Jellybean 4.2 update
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Even though our laptops set for multiple users, my wife and I still of
course get used to our own. Someone always wants to do something on the
device so if we had 1 Nexus tablet, even if we set it up for 2 users,
wouldn't we both want to be using it at the same time more then likely?

...grabled by smrat phonn as ususl

From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sat Nov 17 18:46:52 2012
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2012 19:46:52 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] [SPAM] Re: [SPAM] Re: I got my Android Jellybean 4.2
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I suppose that depends on your household.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

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On 11/16/2012 11:28 PM, William Benson wrote:
> Even though our laptops set for multiple users, my wife and I still of
> course get used to our own. Someone always wants to do something on the
> device so if we had 1 Nexus tablet, even if we set it up for 2 users,
> wouldn't we both want to be using it at the same time more then likely?
>
> ...grabled by smrat phonn as ususl
>


From vbacreations at gmail.com  Sun Nov 18 05:52:18 2012
From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson)
Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2012 06:52:18 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] [SPAM] Re: [SPAM] Re: I got my Android Jellybean 4.2
	update
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Well that is a "no duh" kind of answer John and does little to undermine
what I think is common among MOST of typical households.

...grabled by smrat phonn as ususl
On Nov 17, 2012 7:48 PM, "jwcolby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:

> I suppose that depends on your household.
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
>
> Reality is what refuses to go away
> when you do not believe in it
>
> On 11/16/2012 11:28 PM, William Benson wrote:
>
>> Even though our laptops set for multiple users, my wife and I still of
>> course get used to our own. Someone always wants to do something on the
>> device so if we had 1 Nexus tablet, even if we set it up for 2 users,
>> wouldn't we both want to be using it at the same time more then likely?
>>
>> ...grabled by smrat phonn as ususl
>>
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sun Nov 18 06:21:22 2012
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2012 07:21:22 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] [SPAM] Re: [SPAM] Re: [SPAM] Re: I got my Android
 Jellybean 4.2 update
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William,

 > Well that is a "no duh" kind of answer John and does little to undermine what I think is common 
among MOST of typical households.

LOL, well what can I say.  My Nexus 7 costs $200 and that is as cheap as you get!  An iPad costs 
400+.  I don't have the money to buy a tablet for both of my kids plus my wife plus me - four tablets.

Furthermore I think tablets represent a different place in the device spectrum.  My wife already has 
a laptop which she gets on for her email and such.  My daughter Allie also gets on that for "playing 
with Barney".  There is a "common room" computer in the living room where my son plays his RPG games 
and such.  I have my laptop in my office where I do much of my day to day browsing.  Having two 23" 
screens makes it much more convenient than a laptop for browsing.

Then we have the Nexus 7 which kicks around the living room.  The kids play games on it.  Mary plays 
games on it after the kids are in bed.  It goes in the car for the kids when going to medical 
appointments and such.

You seem to imply that you would just buy one for yourself and one for your wife and you represent 
"most" households.  I think you are far off from "most" households when you decide that they can 
just buy a tablet for each member of the household.  According to the news the other day 50 million 
households are below the poverty line now.  It seems unlikely that those households will get one for 
each family member although they *might* manage to get one for the family.  Lots more families above 
the poverty line but well below my income bracket, again may afford one tablet for the house but not 
one for each member.

In my case, the Nexus is mine, I lay claim to it.  However I work 10 hours a day including from 2:30 
when Allie and Robbie get home from school until about 6:00 PM.  Thus there is a 3 hour window when 
I am not using my tablet and the kids are on it.  In fact I pretty much don't use it until they go 
to bed, thus they can play on it all afternoon.  They *do* take turns!

So I repeat, it is going to depend on the household.  Apparently in your household you will have a 
tablet for each person.  Not so in mine, and I am quite confident in many households.

"Users" in Android will at least allow more harmony between the users of the shared tablets.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 11/18/2012 6:52 AM, William Benson wrote:
> Well that is a "no duh" kind of answer John and does little to undermine
> what I think is common among MOST of typical households.
>
> ...grabled by smrat phonn as ususl
> On Nov 17, 2012 7:48 PM, "jwcolby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
>
>> I suppose that depends on your household.
>>
>> John W. Colby
>> Colby Consulting
>>
>> Reality is what refuses to go away
>> when you do not believe in it
>>
>> On 11/16/2012 11:28 PM, William Benson wrote:
>>
>>> Even though our laptops set for multiple users, my wife and I still of
>>> course get used to our own. Someone always wants to do something on the
>>> device so if we had 1 Nexus tablet, even if we set it up for 2 users,
>>> wouldn't we both want to be using it at the same time more then likely?
>>>
>>> ...grabled by smrat phonn as ususl
>>>
>>>
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From vbacreations at gmail.com  Sun Nov 18 06:52:35 2012
From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson)
Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2012 07:52:35 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] [SPAM] Re: [SPAM] Re: [SPAM] Re: I got my Android
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Whew!

Slinks away in shame....

I guess I have been socialized by the Verizon and iPad commercials to think
all professional households with kids in school have individual ipads.

...grabled by smrat phonn as ususl
On Nov 18, 2012 7:22 AM, "jwcolby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:

> William,
>
> > Well that is a "no duh" kind of answer John and does little to undermine
> what I think is common among MOST of typical households.
>
> LOL, well what can I say.  My Nexus 7 costs $200 and that is as cheap as
> you get!  An iPad costs 400+.  I don't have the money to buy a tablet for
> both of my kids plus my wife plus me - four tablets.
>
> Furthermore I think tablets represent a different place in the device
> spectrum.  My wife already has a laptop which she gets on for her email and
> such.  My daughter Allie also gets on that for "playing with Barney".
>  There is a "common room" computer in the living room where my son plays
> his RPG games and such.  I have my laptop in my office where I do much of
> my day to day browsing.  Having two 23" screens makes it much more
> convenient than a laptop for browsing.
>
> Then we have the Nexus 7 which kicks around the living room.  The kids
> play games on it.  Mary plays games on it after the kids are in bed.  It
> goes in the car for the kids when going to medical appointments and such.
>
> You seem to imply that you would just buy one for yourself and one for
> your wife and you represent "most" households.  I think you are far off
> from "most" households when you decide that they can just buy a tablet for
> each member of the household.  According to the news the other day 50
> million households are below the poverty line now.  It seems unlikely that
> those households will get one for each family member although they *might*
> manage to get one for the family.  Lots more families above the poverty
> line but well below my income bracket, again may afford one tablet for the
> house but not one for each member.
>
> In my case, the Nexus is mine, I lay claim to it.  However I work 10 hours
> a day including from 2:30 when Allie and Robbie get home from school until
> about 6:00 PM.  Thus there is a 3 hour window when I am not using my tablet
> and the kids are on it.  In fact I pretty much don't use it until they go
> to bed, thus they can play on it all afternoon.  They *do* take turns!
>
> So I repeat, it is going to depend on the household.  Apparently in your
> household you will have a tablet for each person.  Not so in mine, and I am
> quite confident in many households.
>
> "Users" in Android will at least allow more harmony between the users of
> the shared tablets.
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
>
> Reality is what refuses to go away
> when you do not believe in it
>
> On 11/18/2012 6:52 AM, William Benson wrote:
>
>> Well that is a "no duh" kind of answer John and does little to undermine
>> what I think is common among MOST of typical households.
>>
>> ...grabled by smrat phonn as ususl
>> On Nov 17, 2012 7:48 PM, "jwcolby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
>>
>>  I suppose that depends on your household.
>>>
>>> John W. Colby
>>> Colby Consulting
>>>
>>> Reality is what refuses to go away
>>> when you do not believe in it
>>>
>>> On 11/16/2012 11:28 PM, William Benson wrote:
>>>
>>>  Even though our laptops set for multiple users, my wife and I still of
>>>> course get used to our own. Someone always wants to do something on the
>>>> device so if we had 1 Nexus tablet, even if we set it up for 2 users,
>>>> wouldn't we both want to be using it at the same time more then likely?
>>>>
>>>> ...grabled by smrat phonn as ususl
>>>>
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From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au  Sun Nov 18 16:32:59 2012
From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins)
Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2012 22:32:59 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] I got my Android Jellybean 4.2 update
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Hi Charlotte,

Just be aware the Win8 comes in two flavours Windows Pro and Windows RT.  The Pro version is probably the one you want as it will run existing and legacy windows software.  The RT is a rather different beast and will only run Apps written for WinRT.

Cheers
Darryl

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Saturday, 17 November 2012 6:30 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] I got my Android Jellybean 4.2 update

Sweet!  I may have to get a new tablet, although I'm leaning toward Surface just for the experience and the ability to play with Win8 without mucking up my laptop.

Charlotte

On Fri, Nov 16, 2012 at 3:35 AM, jwcolby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>wrote:

> > So how is jellybean noticeably different from ice cream sandwich?
>
> Well....
>
> I have ICS on my Nexus3 phone.  For starters it does not have project 
> Butter which is the optimizations for speed.  It also does not have 
> the new users stuff (which is pretty cool actually), although only the 
> 4.2 version of Jellybean has user, the previous version (4.1x) does 
> not. Jellybean is a fairly major update from ICS - 4.04 to 4.2.
>
> For a phone, users are probably pretty immaterial but for my Nexus 7 
> tablet it is very nice to have.  My son was constantly ordering stuff 
> "by mistake" because my user had my Google account hooked up with a 
> CC.  Now he has his own user and can't download anything.  I set up my 
> account on his user, "downloaded" all of his games, then deleted my Google account.
>
> Furthermore he was constantly complaining about my daughter Allie 
> playing his games and ruining his scores etc.  With the users, each 
> child (user) has their own scores for the games.  My wife as well.
>
> Kinda nice all in all.  It really seems to work so far, though I have 
> only played with it for an hour or so.
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
>
> Reality is what refuses to go away
> when you do not believe in it
>
> On 11/15/2012 11:19 PM, Charlotte Foust wrote:
>
>> So how is jellybean noticeably different from ice cream sandwich?
>>
>> Charlotte
>>
>> On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 7:24 PM, jwcolby 
>> <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>**
>> wrote:
>>
>>  My original Nexus 7 got the update to Android 4.2 tonight.  This 
>> update
>>> allows users for the first time.  I'm playing with that now.
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From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins)
Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2012 22:36:58 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] [SPAM] Re: [SPAM] Re: [SPAM] Re: I got my Android
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Heh, that is what Apple want, but in reality many folks cannot afford to fork up for 4+ x tablets for each household member, all of which will be due for replacement in 2 years.

I like the user concept you spoke about John, especially for setting up accounts for children on these devices.

Cheers
Darryl

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Benson
Sent: Sunday, 18 November 2012 11:53 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] [SPAM] Re: [SPAM] Re: [SPAM] Re: I got my Android Jellybean 4.2 update

Whew!

Slinks away in shame....

I guess I have been socialized by the Verizon and iPad commercials to think all professional households with kids in school have individual ipads.

...grabled by smrat phonn as ususl
On Nov 18, 2012 7:22 AM, "jwcolby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:

> William,
>
> > Well that is a "no duh" kind of answer John and does little to 
> > undermine
> what I think is common among MOST of typical households.
>
> LOL, well what can I say.  My Nexus 7 costs $200 and that is as cheap 
> as you get!  An iPad costs 400+.  I don't have the money to buy a 
> tablet for both of my kids plus my wife plus me - four tablets.
>
> Furthermore I think tablets represent a different place in the device 
> spectrum.  My wife already has a laptop which she gets on for her 
> email and such.  My daughter Allie also gets on that for "playing with Barney".
>  There is a "common room" computer in the living room where my son 
> plays his RPG games and such.  I have my laptop in my office where I 
> do much of my day to day browsing.  Having two 23" screens makes it 
> much more convenient than a laptop for browsing.
>
> Then we have the Nexus 7 which kicks around the living room.  The kids 
> play games on it.  Mary plays games on it after the kids are in bed.  
> It goes in the car for the kids when going to medical appointments and such.
>
> You seem to imply that you would just buy one for yourself and one for 
> your wife and you represent "most" households.  I think you are far 
> off from "most" households when you decide that they can just buy a 
> tablet for each member of the household.  According to the news the 
> other day 50 million households are below the poverty line now.  It 
> seems unlikely that those households will get one for each family 
> member although they *might* manage to get one for the family.  Lots 
> more families above the poverty line but well below my income bracket, 
> again may afford one tablet for the house but not one for each member.
>
> In my case, the Nexus is mine, I lay claim to it.  However I work 10 
> hours a day including from 2:30 when Allie and Robbie get home from 
> school until about 6:00 PM.  Thus there is a 3 hour window when I am 
> not using my tablet and the kids are on it.  In fact I pretty much 
> don't use it until they go to bed, thus they can play on it all afternoon.  They *do* take turns!
>
> So I repeat, it is going to depend on the household.  Apparently in 
> your household you will have a tablet for each person.  Not so in 
> mine, and I am quite confident in many households.
>
> "Users" in Android will at least allow more harmony between the users 
> of the shared tablets.
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
>
> Reality is what refuses to go away
> when you do not believe in it
>
> On 11/18/2012 6:52 AM, William Benson wrote:
>
>> Well that is a "no duh" kind of answer John and does little to 
>> undermine what I think is common among MOST of typical households.
>>
>> ...grabled by smrat phonn as ususl
>> On Nov 17, 2012 7:48 PM, "jwcolby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
>>
>>  I suppose that depends on your household.
>>>
>>> John W. Colby
>>> Colby Consulting
>>>
>>> Reality is what refuses to go away
>>> when you do not believe in it
>>>
>>> On 11/16/2012 11:28 PM, William Benson wrote:
>>>
>>>  Even though our laptops set for multiple users, my wife and I still 
>>> of
>>>> course get used to our own. Someone always wants to do something on 
>>>> the device so if we had 1 Nexus tablet, even if we set it up for 2 
>>>> users, wouldn't we both want to be using it at the same time more then likely?
>>>>
>>>> ...grabled by smrat phonn as ususl
>>>>
>>>>
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From vbacreations at gmail.com  Sun Nov 18 18:03:33 2012
From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson)
Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2012 19:03:33 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Access 2002/2003 Very strange behavior
In-Reply-To: <F5B2E2ECEE84F142883A2E6DCA867F9801A7FD572A@LIVP3MMBX10.mail.aig.net>
References: <F5B2E2ECEE84F142883A2E6DCA867F9801A7FD572A@LIVP3MMBX10.mail.aig.net>
Message-ID: <CAGuQ9V68T_vcrxVXSW40r=iPz4AvaMiAG_E_qWmTMQOiZ491ag@mail.gmail.com>

Try creating the mde from mdb on the same machines that currently can run
mdb but not mde and my guess is that they will run from there on out as an
mde.

It seems natural to me that mdb uses parts of access that allows that
application to substitute for alternative locations to find certain
references but once a file is turned into an mde no more "play" can occur
with the vba reference locations.

Just a Swag.

...grabled by smrat phonn as ususl
On Nov 16, 2012 10:24 AM, "Heenan, Lambert" <
Lambert.Heenan at chartisinsurance.com> wrote:

> x-posted to Access-D and Access-L
>
> Post hurricane Sandy I have a group of users now running on Virtual
> Machines, and a smaller group who are operating remotely on their Blade
> computers that they have had for some years. A small sub-set of these users
> are having trouble opening applications they have been using for years.
> These are Access 2002/2003 applications, split into the usual Front
> End/Back End configuration.
>
> Most users are working fine, but there are some who get the message "This
> database is in an unrecognized format." when they try to launch the front
> end MDE file, and one user gets "The expression you entered has a function
> name that [App Name] can't find."
>
> One application is set up so each user has their own copy of the front
> end, and with another app. the (small) user group shares a single front end.
>
> I have found that for the first application, where users have their own
> copy, I was able to get them going by giving them a copy of the MDB file
> which the MDE is created from. They now see neither of those two messages.
> I have decompiled and rebuilt the MDE file, but still those two users
> cannot open it. (Little piece of detail, those two users happen to be
> remotely using a Blade computer, not a virtual machine.
>
> So they can run the MDB, but not the MDE. What's up with that?
>
> Then there is one user of the shared application who gets the "This
> database is in an unrecognized format." message, and yet all the other
> users have no trouble opening it. With that user if I get them to open the
> MDB version of the front end they simply get an hour glass for a longish
> time, and then Access comes back and says it has detected a corruption in
> the file, and the MDB is toast. All of this when nobody else is using the
> application.
>
> Does anyone have any brilliant ideas? Why would an MDB file work for some
> users and the corresponding MDE not? What might be causing the corruption
> of the other MDB file?
>
> Been struggling with this for the past two days! Any suggestions would be
> appreciated.
>
>
>
> Lambert
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Sun Nov 18 19:43:08 2012
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2012 17:43:08 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Bad news for Hamach users
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Message-ID: <AA76937FF3DF4939AF108A9353711C2F@creativesystemdesigns.com>

If you use Hamachi to stay connected to clients and the head office things
are about to change. Here is the note posted to all Hamachi users.

" Hamachi is introducing some modifications on November 19th to make sure
service is the best it can be. Here's what's new: 

To give you better access to a growing portion of the Internet, Hamachi is
moving to a new IP range. Connections between computers might drop for a few
seconds during the switch, but most of you won't even notice. 
Currently Hamachi can stay open in the background so you're always connected
to unattended computers. We're moving this feature to only paid
subscriptions to help fund future improvements. Please note that for casual,
personal use, Hamachi will still be free. But if you run Hamachi as a
service, you can choose from our subscription packages, starting at
just $29/year. 
Enhance your Hamachi experience with more features and more computers.
Upgrade to a standard network subscription package before November 19th and
save $10.

The Hamachi Team "

Jim


From vbacreations at gmail.com  Sun Nov 18 20:07:55 2012
From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson (VBACreations.Com))
Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2012 21:07:55 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] I got my Android Jellybean 4.2 update
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And jellybean comes without December I've heard...

http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2012/11/december-conspicuously-missing-from-a
ndroid-4-2s-people-app/


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darryl Collins
Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2012 5:33 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] I got my Android Jellybean 4.2 update

Hi Charlotte,

Just be aware the Win8 comes in two flavours Windows Pro and Windows RT.
The Pro version is probably the one you want as it will run existing and
legacy windows software.  The RT is a rather different beast and will only
run Apps written for WinRT.

Cheers
Darryl

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Saturday, 17 November 2012 6:30 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] I got my Android Jellybean 4.2 update

Sweet!  I may have to get a new tablet, although I'm leaning toward Surface
just for the experience and the ability to play with Win8 without mucking up
my laptop.

Charlotte

On Fri, Nov 16, 2012 at 3:35 AM, jwcolby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>wrote:

> > So how is jellybean noticeably different from ice cream sandwich?
>
> Well....
>
> I have ICS on my Nexus3 phone.  For starters it does not have project 
> Butter which is the optimizations for speed.  It also does not have 
> the new users stuff (which is pretty cool actually), although only the
> 4.2 version of Jellybean has user, the previous version (4.1x) does 
> not. Jellybean is a fairly major update from ICS - 4.04 to 4.2.
>
> For a phone, users are probably pretty immaterial but for my Nexus 7 
> tablet it is very nice to have.  My son was constantly ordering stuff 
> "by mistake" because my user had my Google account hooked up with a 
> CC.  Now he has his own user and can't download anything.  I set up my 
> account on his user, "downloaded" all of his games, then deleted my Google
account.
>
> Furthermore he was constantly complaining about my daughter Allie 
> playing his games and ruining his scores etc.  With the users, each 
> child (user) has their own scores for the games.  My wife as well.
>
> Kinda nice all in all.  It really seems to work so far, though I have 
> only played with it for an hour or so.
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
>
> Reality is what refuses to go away
> when you do not believe in it
>
> On 11/15/2012 11:19 PM, Charlotte Foust wrote:
>
>> So how is jellybean noticeably different from ice cream sandwich?
>>
>> Charlotte
>>
>> On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 7:24 PM, jwcolby
>> <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>**
>> wrote:
>>
>>  My original Nexus 7 got the update to Android 4.2 tonight.  This 
>> update
>>> allows users for the first time.  I'm playing with that now.
>>> --
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Nov 19 09:03:18 2012
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 10:03:18 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] [SPAM] Re: [SPAM] Re: [SPAM] Re: I got my Android
 Jellybean 4.2 update
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 > I like the user concept you spoke about John, especially for setting up accounts for children on 
these devices.


Having used it for awhile it has one big caveat.  The big issue I have seen so far is that each user 
launches apps and plays games, and when they "sign out" all of that stuff stays loaded and threads 
assigned.  After awhile the pad slows down.

It is not possible for even the "owner" to just arbitrarily close an app opened by another user from 
inside their own user.  Thus in order to get things moving again I end up logging in to each user 
and closing the running apps.

My daughter loves to do the Google World app, zooming in to various places.  She loves to hunt for 
"ice cream store" using the voice analyzer and have the map program show her on a map where to go to 
get ice cream.  Cool stuff for a developmentally delayed little girl with a speech impediment to be 
doing but... there is no way she is going to understand how to clean up behind herself.

It is a real issue but one I am happy to handle when it comes up.  I can also train my wife and 
myself to go shut down things which we are no longer using and I can train my son to do the same for 
himself and for Allie.  Also a complete power down reboot closes all that stuff as well.

Even shared PCs have this issue of course which has been "overcome" with more powerful CPUs and more 
memory.

Android has its roots in single user, "leave it open in the background for the next time" 
environment.  I find it encouraging that Google made the effort to give us users at all.  I think 
over time we will have the same "fix", more CPUs and more memory.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 11/18/2012 5:36 PM, Darryl Collins wrote:
> Heh, that is what Apple want, but in reality many folks cannot afford to fork up for 4+ x tablets for each household member, all of which will be due for replacement in 2 years.
>
> I like the user concept you spoke about John, especially for setting up accounts for children on these devices.
>
> Cheers
> Darryl
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Benson
> Sent: Sunday, 18 November 2012 11:53 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] [SPAM] Re: [SPAM] Re: [SPAM] Re: I got my Android Jellybean 4.2 update
>
> Whew!
>
> Slinks away in shame....
>
> I guess I have been socialized by the Verizon and iPad commercials to think all professional households with kids in school have individual ipads.
>
> ...grabled by smrat phonn as ususl
> On Nov 18, 2012 7:22 AM, "jwcolby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:


From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Nov 19 09:05:36 2012
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 10:05:36 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] [SPAM] Re:  I got my Android Jellybean 4.2 update
In-Reply-To: <027801cdc5fa$b16da060$1448e120$@gmail.com>
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A wise move actually.  Take out December and imagine how many iToys won't be purchased!

;)

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 11/18/2012 9:07 PM, William Benson (VBACreations.Com) wrote:
> And jellybean comes without December I've heard...
>
> http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2012/11/december-conspicuously-missing-from-a
> ndroid-4-2s-people-app/


From carbonnb at gmail.com  Mon Nov 19 10:32:20 2012
From: carbonnb at gmail.com (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 11:32:20 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT-Old Times...BEU
In-Reply-To: <001301cdc353$cacd0c70$60672550$@com>
References: <001301cdc353$cacd0c70$60672550$@com>
Message-ID: <CAAZtbWHk8nGnqCst6H=Apu5jx8xUrapy9s1-wP0ECpv+JLrUKw@mail.gmail.com>

Wow. That was a long time ago.

It's funny that you brought this up though. I actually used the BEU as an
answer to an interview question a couple of weeks ago. :)

What have you done that has worked better as being part of a team, than it
would have if you worked alone?

Glad to see you are still lurking out there :)

Bryan


On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 12:07 PM, AccessD <accessd at gfconsultants.com> wrote:

> I'm not around the list much anymore, but was reminiscing yesterday...
> I was cleaning out old MS Outlook folders I don't need anymore and came
> across a folder for the BEU.
>
> I have nearly every email we sent as a team and it was quite a trip going
> thru them.  It was interesting to read how the ideas developed making the
> BEU.  It was also eye opening to see how little I knew back then.  Reading
> that yesterday I don't know how I was able to produce code that still works
> today - except I had some great teammates.
> And then to realize it's been 11 years and 9 months since we started that
> work.  I was only 27 - my kids were just babies.
>
> Anyhow, I'd like to mention a few people and just say how much I enjoyed
> that experience and thank them for putting up with a pup that didn't know
> what the hell he was doing...
> Andy Lacey
> Bryan Carbonnell
> Lembit Soobik
>
> I'm sure I've left out a few, but these three names are burned into my
> memory forever.
> It was fun reading those messages yesterday and working with you all those
> years ago.
>
> BTW, I have 2,840 total emails stored (and this doesn't count the online
> meetings we held).
> First email was Feb 8, 2001
> Last one dated Dec 28, 2005
> Version 1 went live on June 19, 2002
> Version 2 was released on Oct 14, 2002.
>
> And honestly I'm not sure where it is now.
> Anyhow, it was a real pleasure.
>
>
>
> Reuben Cummings
> GFC, LLC
> 812.523.1017
>
>
>
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Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved
body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "What a
great ride!"

From vbacreations at gmail.com  Mon Nov 19 18:02:29 2012
From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson)
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 19:02:29 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Downloading Web File Automatically
In-Reply-To: <50A41567.28842.27D1980B@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <008001cdc2a8$5b09de00$111d9a00$@dalyn.co.nz>
	<50A41567.28842.27D1980B@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <CAGuQ9V4HOMEZACnVatuvoJgV3xShpcQz_uvZ0vzjZTuscu0zZw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi guys / gals what happens if there is a security check in the mean time
requiring login with usermame (SSO, e.g.) and password? does the code below
break or just wait patiently?

...grabled by smrat phonn as ususl
On Nov 14, 2012 5:05 PM, "Stuart McLachlan" <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg> wrote:

> Even better - A way to automate this in Access which doesn't need to
> invole a browser.
>
>
> Private Declare Function URLDownloadToFile Lib "urlmon" Alias
> "URLDownloadToFileA" _
> (ByVal pCaller As Long, ByVal szURL As String, ByVal szFileName As String,
> _
> ByVal dwReserved As Long, ByVal lpfnCB As Long) As Long
>
>
> Public Function DownloadFile(URL As String, LocalFilename As String) As
> Boolean
> Dim lngRetVal As Long
> lngRetVal = URLDownloadToFile(0, URL, LocalFilename, 0, 0)
> If lngRetVal = 0 Then DownloadFile = True
> End Function
>
> --
> Stuart
>
>
> On 15 Nov 2012 at 9:40, David Emerson wrote:
>
> > Team,
> >
> > I have an application that imports a csv file.  The file is put up onto a
> > web site url.  Entering the url in a browser will trigger downloading the
> > file.
> >
> > Is there a way to automate this in Access.  Ie send the url to a browser,
> > have the file downloaded to a defined folder where it can then be
> imported?
> >
>
> --
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> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>

From newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz  Mon Nov 19 18:59:05 2012
From: newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz (David Emerson)
Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2012 13:59:05 +1300
Subject: [AccessD] Downloading Web File Automatically
In-Reply-To: <CAGuQ9V4HOMEZACnVatuvoJgV3xShpcQz_uvZ0vzjZTuscu0zZw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <008001cdc2a8$5b09de00$111d9a00$@dalyn.co.nz>	<50A41567.28842.27D1980B@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<CAGuQ9V4HOMEZACnVatuvoJgV3xShpcQz_uvZ0vzjZTuscu0zZw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <001e01cdc6ba$3d439b70$b7cad250$@dalyn.co.nz>

I was able to include the login and password in the url and the file
downloads no problem.

David

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Benson
Sent: Tuesday, 20 November 2012 1:02 p.m.
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Downloading Web File Automatically

Hi guys / gals what happens if there is a security check in the mean time
requiring login with usermame (SSO, e.g.) and password? does the code below
break or just wait patiently?

...grabled by smrat phonn as ususl
On Nov 14, 2012 5:05 PM, "Stuart McLachlan" <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg> wrote:

> Even better - A way to automate this in Access which doesn't need to 
> invole a browser.
>
>
> Private Declare Function URLDownloadToFile Lib "urlmon" Alias 
> "URLDownloadToFileA" _ (ByVal pCaller As Long, ByVal szURL As String, 
> ByVal szFileName As String, _ ByVal dwReserved As Long, ByVal lpfnCB 
> As Long) As Long
>
>
> Public Function DownloadFile(URL As String, LocalFilename As String) 
> As Boolean Dim lngRetVal As Long lngRetVal = URLDownloadToFile(0, URL, 
> LocalFilename, 0, 0) If lngRetVal = 0 Then DownloadFile = True End 
> Function
>
> --
> Stuart
>
>
> On 15 Nov 2012 at 9:40, David Emerson wrote:
>
> > Team,
> >
> > I have an application that imports a csv file.  The file is put up 
> > onto a web site url.  Entering the url in a browser will trigger 
> > downloading the file.
> >
> > Is there a way to automate this in Access.  Ie send the url to a 
> > browser, have the file downloaded to a defined folder where it can 
> > then be
> imported?
> >
>
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Mon Nov 19 19:19:48 2012
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2012 11:19:48 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Downloading Web File Automatically
In-Reply-To: <001e01cdc6ba$3d439b70$b7cad250$@dalyn.co.nz>
References: <008001cdc2a8$5b09de00$111d9a00$@dalyn.co.nz>,
	<CAGuQ9V4HOMEZACnVatuvoJgV3xShpcQz_uvZ0vzjZTuscu0zZw@mail.gmail.com>,
	<001e01cdc6ba$3d439b70$b7cad250$@dalyn.co.nz>
Message-ID: <50AADAB4.12860.2FB1B4C@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

It depends on the site. If the site is using basic HTTP authentication, you can use 
http://userid:password at www.example.com/

If the page uses PHP, JScript or whatever to prompt for a password, that won't work.

-- 
Stuart

On 20 Nov 2012 at 13:59, David Emerson wrote:

> I was able to include the login and password in the url and the file
> downloads no problem.
> 
> David
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Benson
> Sent: Tuesday, 20 November 2012 1:02 p.m.
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Downloading Web File Automatically
> 
> Hi guys / gals what happens if there is a security check in the mean time
> requiring login with usermame (SSO, e.g.) and password? does the code below
> break or just wait patiently?
> 
> ...grabled by smrat phonn as ususl
> On Nov 14, 2012 5:05 PM, "Stuart McLachlan" <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg> wrote:
> 
> > Even better - A way to automate this in Access which doesn't need to 
> > invole a browser.
> >
> >
> > Private Declare Function URLDownloadToFile Lib "urlmon" Alias 
> > "URLDownloadToFileA" _ (ByVal pCaller As Long, ByVal szURL As String, 
> > ByVal szFileName As String, _ ByVal dwReserved As Long, ByVal lpfnCB 
> > As Long) As Long
> >
> >
> > Public Function DownloadFile(URL As String, LocalFilename As String) 
> > As Boolean Dim lngRetVal As Long lngRetVal = URLDownloadToFile(0, URL, 
> > LocalFilename, 0, 0) If lngRetVal = 0 Then DownloadFile = True End 
> > Function
> >
> > --
> > Stuart
> >
> >
> > On 15 Nov 2012 at 9:40, David Emerson wrote:
> >
> > > Team,
> > >
> > > I have an application that imports a csv file.  The file is put up 
> > > onto a web site url.  Entering the url in a browser will trigger 
> > > downloading the file.
> > >
> > > Is there a way to automate this in Access.  Ie send the url to a 
> > > browser, have the file downloaded to a defined folder where it can 
> > > then be
> > imported?
> > >
> >
> > --
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 
> -- 
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> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 



From vbacreations at gmail.com  Mon Nov 19 19:33:00 2012
From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson)
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 20:33:00 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Downloading Web File Automatically
In-Reply-To: <50AADAB4.12860.2FB1B4C@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <008001cdc2a8$5b09de00$111d9a00$@dalyn.co.nz>
	<CAGuQ9V4HOMEZACnVatuvoJgV3xShpcQz_uvZ0vzjZTuscu0zZw@mail.gmail.com>
	<001e01cdc6ba$3d439b70$b7cad250$@dalyn.co.nz>
	<50AADAB4.12860.2FB1B4C@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <CAGuQ9V6cVdNjpRVTv9AXANda9Ki+zhVQHVfjZ9UxjG6VYbkiMw@mail.gmail.com>

GE uses this thing called single sign on and you Have to hit that landing
page to (aftet loging in) have the url revert to your destination url.

...grabled by smrat phonn as ususl
On Nov 19, 2012 8:21 PM, "Stuart McLachlan" <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg> wrote:

> It depends on the site. If the site is using basic HTTP authentication,
> you can use
> http://userid:password at www.example.com/
>
> If the page uses PHP, JScript or whatever to prompt for a password, that
> won't work.
>
> --
> Stuart
>
> On 20 Nov 2012 at 13:59, David Emerson wrote:
>
> > I was able to include the login and password in the url and the file
> > downloads no problem.
> >
> > David
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William
> Benson
> > Sent: Tuesday, 20 November 2012 1:02 p.m.
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Downloading Web File Automatically
> >
> > Hi guys / gals what happens if there is a security check in the mean time
> > requiring login with usermame (SSO, e.g.) and password? does the code
> below
> > break or just wait patiently?
> >
> > ...grabled by smrat phonn as ususl
> > On Nov 14, 2012 5:05 PM, "Stuart McLachlan" <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg>
> wrote:
> >
> > > Even better - A way to automate this in Access which doesn't need to
> > > invole a browser.
> > >
> > >
> > > Private Declare Function URLDownloadToFile Lib "urlmon" Alias
> > > "URLDownloadToFileA" _ (ByVal pCaller As Long, ByVal szURL As String,
> > > ByVal szFileName As String, _ ByVal dwReserved As Long, ByVal lpfnCB
> > > As Long) As Long
> > >
> > >
> > > Public Function DownloadFile(URL As String, LocalFilename As String)
> > > As Boolean Dim lngRetVal As Long lngRetVal = URLDownloadToFile(0, URL,
> > > LocalFilename, 0, 0) If lngRetVal = 0 Then DownloadFile = True End
> > > Function
> > >
> > > --
> > > Stuart
> > >
> > >
> > > On 15 Nov 2012 at 9:40, David Emerson wrote:
> > >
> > > > Team,
> > > >
> > > > I have an application that imports a csv file.  The file is put up
> > > > onto a web site url.  Entering the url in a browser will trigger
> > > > downloading the file.
> > > >
> > > > Is there a way to automate this in Access.  Ie send the url to a
> > > > browser, have the file downloaded to a defined folder where it can
> > > > then be
> > > imported?
> > > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > AccessD mailing list
> > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > >
> > --
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> > --
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
>
>
> --
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> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>

From Benson at ge.com  Tue Nov 20 12:07:32 2012
From: Benson at ge.com (Benson, William (GE Global Research, consultant))
Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2012 18:07:32 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Pls help with ADO to Oracle syntax... Ampersand Character
Message-ID: <93D10F008B998B4A83BCA855A33EEF372C893657@CINMBCNA01.e2k.ad.ge.com>

First, I am doing this through Excel VBA, using ADO and working with an Oracle provider. I am having heartburn getting some data pushed from Excel to Oracle. Apparently the command "SET DEFINE OFF" works only in SQL DEVELOPER and SQL PLUS, it is not some SQL one can simply throw at the Oracle provider via SQL. So in order to inject characters like 

g_Conn.Execute "SET DEFINE OFF  INSERT INTO SID_USERS (USER_SSO) VALUES ('Sanford & Sons');", True
       'runtime error... ORA-00922 missing or invalid option

So I wrote a routine to escape characters like ampersand for any text which I plan to insert into a field using ADO and SQL. May not be robust, but it does turned Sanford & Sons into 

'Sanford ' || '&' || 'Sons'

Now, that works in SQL PLUS but it will not work when trying ADO's Execute - I am still getting an "invalid character" error message.

INSERT INTO SID_USERS ( 
USER_SSO, 
CONAME) 
VALUES ( 'x', 
'Sanford ' || '&' || 'Sons');



Function OracleText(str) As String
Const BADCHARS = "&"
Dim strWorkingText As String
Dim strBAD As String
Dim strFinal As String
Dim bMadesubstitution As Boolean
strWorkingText = str
strWorkingText = Replace$(strWorkingText, "'", "''")

Dim i As Long
Do Until strWorkingText = ""
    For i = 1 To Len(strWorkingText)
        bMadesubstitution = False
        If InStr(BADCHARS, Mid(strWorkingText, i, 1)) > 0 Then
            strBAD = Mid(strWorkingText, i, 1)
            strFinal = strFinal & Mid(strWorkingText, 1, i - 1) & "'|| '" & strBAD & "' || '"
            strWorkingText = Mid(strWorkingText, i + 1)
            bMadesubstitution = True
            Exit For
        End If
    Next
    If Not bMadesubstitution Then
        strFinal = strFinal & strWorkingText
        strWorkingText = ""
    End If
Loop
OracleText = strFinal
End Function



From Benson at ge.com  Tue Nov 20 12:30:41 2012
From: Benson at ge.com (Benson, William (GE Global Research, consultant))
Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2012 18:30:41 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Pls help with ADO to Oracle syntax... Ampersand
	Character
In-Reply-To: <93D10F008B998B4A83BCA855A33EEF372C893657@CINMBCNA01.e2k.ad.ge.com>
References: <93D10F008B998B4A83BCA855A33EEF372C893657@CINMBCNA01.e2k.ad.ge.com>
Message-ID: <93D10F008B998B4A83BCA855A33EEF372C893676@CINMBCNA01.e2k.ad.ge.com>

Resolved, but with puzzling aspects

First, it was actually the semicolon at the end which was the problem.

Next, when I tried out the code to run the ADO command to update the database even having the ampersands in the text, actually there was no problem.

IE - never was a need to try to SET DEFINE OFF or worry about escaping the ampersand because I guess when done through ADO, there is interruption of the routine to ask for a variable, so it treats ampersands like normal text.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Benson, William (GE Global Research, consultant)
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2012 1:08 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving (accessd at databaseadvisors.com)
Subject: [AccessD] Pls help with ADO to Oracle syntax... Ampersand Character

First, I am doing this through Excel VBA, using ADO and working with an Oracle provider. I am having heartburn getting some data pushed from Excel to Oracle. Apparently the command "SET DEFINE OFF" works only in SQL DEVELOPER and SQL PLUS, it is not some SQL one can simply throw at the Oracle provider via SQL. So in order to inject characters like 

g_Conn.Execute "SET DEFINE OFF  INSERT INTO SID_USERS (USER_SSO) VALUES ('Sanford & Sons');", True
       'runtime error... ORA-00922 missing or invalid option

So I wrote a routine to escape characters like ampersand for any text which I plan to insert into a field using ADO and SQL. May not be robust, but it does turned Sanford & Sons into 

'Sanford ' || '&' || 'Sons'

Now, that works in SQL PLUS but it will not work when trying ADO's Execute - I am still getting an "invalid character" error message.

INSERT INTO SID_USERS ( 
USER_SSO, 
CONAME) 
VALUES ( 'x', 
'Sanford ' || '&' || 'Sons');



Function OracleText(str) As String
Const BADCHARS = "&"
Dim strWorkingText As String
Dim strBAD As String
Dim strFinal As String
Dim bMadesubstitution As Boolean
strWorkingText = str
strWorkingText = Replace$(strWorkingText, "'", "''")

Dim i As Long
Do Until strWorkingText = ""
    For i = 1 To Len(strWorkingText)
        bMadesubstitution = False
        If InStr(BADCHARS, Mid(strWorkingText, i, 1)) > 0 Then
            strBAD = Mid(strWorkingText, i, 1)
            strFinal = strFinal & Mid(strWorkingText, 1, i - 1) & "'|| '" & strBAD & "' || '"
            strWorkingText = Mid(strWorkingText, i + 1)
            bMadesubstitution = True
            Exit For
        End If
    Next
    If Not bMadesubstitution Then
        strFinal = strFinal & strWorkingText
        strWorkingText = ""
    End If
Loop
OracleText = strFinal
End Function


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From mcp2004 at mail.ru  Wed Nov 21 13:23:36 2012
From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=)
Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2012 23:23:36 +0400
Subject: [AccessD] =?utf-8?q?FYI=3A_Visual_Studio_Magazine_2012_Readers_Ch?=
 =?utf-8?q?oice_Winners?=
Message-ID: <1353525816.45346872@f276.mail.ru>

Hi All --

FYI: ?Visual Studio Magazine 2012 Readers Choice Winners

http://visualstudiomagazine.com/articles/2012/11/01/readers-choice-winners.aspx

Thank you.

-- Shamil?

From accessd at shaw.ca  Wed Nov 21 17:27:08 2012
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2012 15:27:08 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] FYI: Visual Studio Magazine 2012 Readers Choice
	Winners
In-Reply-To: <1353525816.45346872@f276.mail.ru>
References: <1353525816.45346872@f276.mail.ru>
Message-ID: <E45FB3FA30474C79BE57D4E23AE09768@creativesystemdesigns.com>

I couldn't find your name anywhere???

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Salakhetdinov
Shamil
Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2012 11:24 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] FYI: Visual Studio Magazine 2012 Readers Choice Winners

Hi All --

FYI: ?Visual Studio Magazine 2012 Readers Choice Winners

http://visualstudiomagazine.com/articles/2012/11/01/readers-choice-winners.a
spx

Thank you.

-- Shamil?
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From mcp2004 at mail.ru  Wed Nov 21 23:30:27 2012
From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=)
Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2012 09:30:27 +0400
Subject: [AccessD]
 =?utf-8?q?FYI=3A_Visual_Studio_Magazine_2012_Readers_Ch?=
 =?utf-8?q?oice_Winners?=
In-Reply-To: <E45FB3FA30474C79BE57D4E23AE09768@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <1353525816.45346872@f276.mail.ru>
	<E45FB3FA30474C79BE57D4E23AE09768@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <1353562227.777309037@m.mail.ru>

Next time :)

This time meant DotNetNuke first of all.

Thank you.
-- Shamil

Wed 21 Nov 2012 15:27:08 ?? "Jim Lawrence" <accessd at shaw.ca>:
> I couldn't find your name anywhere???
> 
> Jim
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Salakhetdinov
> Shamil
> Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2012 11:24 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] FYI: Visual Studio Magazine 2012 Readers Choice Winners
> 
> Hi All --
> 
> FYI: ?Visual Studio Magazine 2012 Readers Choice Winners
> 
> http://visualstudiomagazine.com/articles/2012/11/01/readers-choice-winners.a
> spx
> 
> Thank you.
> 
> -- Shamil?
> -- 
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 
> 
> -- 
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> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com



From BradM at blackforestltd.com  Sun Nov 25 14:39:47 2012
From: BradM at blackforestltd.com (Brad Marks)
Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2012 14:39:47 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] How to Pull Data from an Access Query into Excel with VBA
	Code in Excel (ADO)
References: <93D10F008B998B4A83BCA855A33EEF372C893657@CINMBCNA01.e2k.ad.ge.com>
	<93D10F008B998B4A83BCA855A33EEF372C893676@CINMBCNA01.e2k.ad.ge.com>
Message-ID: <E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C50163B326@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>

All,

I have just started to experiment with pulling Access 2007 data into Excel.

I have an test Excel file that uses VBA code to pull the data from the Access table.
This is working nicely.

I would now like to pull data into Excel via the Access query that I have set up.

I simply changed the SQL Statement in the Excel VBA code like this.

strSQL = "SELECT Field1 From Table1;"

strSQL = "SELECT Field1 From Query1;"

When I now run the Excel VBA code no data is returned.

I must be missing something.

Does anyone have an example of how to pull data from an Access query into Excel via VBA code in Excel?

Thanks,
Brad

From vbacreations at gmail.com  Sun Nov 25 16:46:01 2012
From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson)
Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2012 17:46:01 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] How to Pull Data from an Access Query into Excel with
 VBA Code in Excel (ADO)
In-Reply-To: <E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C50163B326@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
References: <93D10F008B998B4A83BCA855A33EEF372C893657@CINMBCNA01.e2k.ad.ge.com>
	<93D10F008B998B4A83BCA855A33EEF372C893676@CINMBCNA01.e2k.ad.ge.com>
	<E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C50163B326@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
Message-ID: <CAGuQ9V5-0L5Km=c+9bMfDStWzJHwwKZc9VYMcRcEsGVq9cPgjA@mail.gmail.com>

Does query1 return data when run from access?

...grabled by smrat phonn as ususl
On Nov 25, 2012 3:47 PM, "Brad Marks" <BradM at blackforestltd.com> wrote:

> All,
>
> I have just started to experiment with pulling Access 2007 data into Excel.
>
> I have an test Excel file that uses VBA code to pull the data from the
> Access table.
> This is working nicely.
>
> I would now like to pull data into Excel via the Access query that I have
> set up.
>
> I simply changed the SQL Statement in the Excel VBA code like this.
>
> strSQL = "SELECT Field1 From Table1;"
>
> strSQL = "SELECT Field1 From Query1;"
>
> When I now run the Excel VBA code no data is returned.
>
> I must be missing something.
>
> Does anyone have an example of how to pull data from an Access query into
> Excel via VBA code in Excel?
>
> Thanks,
> Brad
>
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>

From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Sun Nov 25 17:14:36 2012
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2012 18:14:36 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Error trying to install MzTools
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1gZUdfwymG55Sb8d6KNUua9jzqZhb4b_ypFXnmyABHZDw@mail.gmail.com>

I recently attempted to install MzTools on a reconstructed partition
(Windows 7 Ultimate 64-bit) and got the following error:

Ox80008005

along with a suggestion that I Google it, which I did, and got a number of
hits, none of which seemed helpful.

Has anyone got this error and figured out how to solve it?

TIA,
Arthur

From BradM at blackforestltd.com  Sun Nov 25 17:17:27 2012
From: BradM at blackforestltd.com (Brad Marks)
Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2012 17:17:27 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] How to Pull Data from an Access Query into Excel with
	VBA Code in Excel (ADO)
References: <93D10F008B998B4A83BCA855A33EEF372C893657@CINMBCNA01.e2k.ad.ge.com><93D10F008B998B4A83BCA855A33EEF372C893676@CINMBCNA01.e2k.ad.ge.com><E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C50163B326@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
	<CAGuQ9V5-0L5Km=c+9bMfDStWzJHwwKZc9VYMcRcEsGVq9cPgjA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C50163B327@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>

William,

Good question.

Yes, Query1 returns data when it is run from within Access.

Thanks for your help.

Brad 


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com on behalf of William Benson
Sent: Sun 11/25/2012 4:46 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] How to Pull Data from an Access Query into Excel with VBA Code in Excel (ADO)
 
Does query1 return data when run from access?

...grabled by smrat phonn as ususl
On Nov 25, 2012 3:47 PM, "Brad Marks" <BradM at blackforestltd.com> wrote:

> All,
>
> I have just started to experiment with pulling Access 2007 data into Excel.
>
> I have an test Excel file that uses VBA code to pull the data from the
> Access table.
> This is working nicely.
>
> I would now like to pull data into Excel via the Access query that I have
> set up.
>
> I simply changed the SQL Statement in the Excel VBA code like this.
>
> strSQL = "SELECT Field1 From Table1;"
>
> strSQL = "SELECT Field1 From Query1;"
>
> When I now run the Excel VBA code no data is returned.
>
> I must be missing something.
>
> Does anyone have an example of how to pull data from an Access query into
> Excel via VBA code in Excel?
>
> Thanks,
> Brad
>
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From jackandpat.d at gmail.com  Sun Nov 25 17:29:11 2012
From: jackandpat.d at gmail.com (jack drawbridge)
Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2012 18:29:11 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Error trying to install MzTools
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1gZUdfwymG55Sb8d6KNUua9jzqZhb4b_ypFXnmyABHZDw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1gZUdfwymG55Sb8d6KNUua9jzqZhb4b_ypFXnmyABHZDw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAKvidAsLOtA_SiDYi0SnZjf6u1G4EeDjA0eOweKt5NuptOsEJg@mail.gmail.com>

Arthur,
Are you running Office 64 bit buy any chance?  I found this at MZTools site

Office 64-bit does not support 32-bit COM (ActiveX) add-ins, only 64-bit
COM add-ins, and MZ-Tools 3.0 is built with Visual Basic 6.0, which can
only generate 32-bit components. Office 64-bit will be supported in the
next major version of MZ-Tools.



On Sun, Nov 25, 2012 at 6:14 PM, Arthur Fuller <fuller.artful at gmail.com>wrote:

> I recently attempted to install MzTools on a reconstructed partition
> (Windows 7 Ultimate 64-bit) and got the following error:
>
> Ox80008005
>
> along with a suggestion that I Google it, which I did, and got a number of
> hits, none of which seemed helpful.
>
> Has anyone got this error and figured out how to solve it?
>
> TIA,
> Arthur
> --
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> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>

From jimdettman at verizon.net  Sun Nov 25 17:31:20 2012
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2012 18:31:20 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] How to Pull Data from an Access Query into Excel with
 VBA Code in Excel (ADO)
In-Reply-To: <E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C50163B326@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
References: <93D10F008B998B4A83BCA855A33EEF372C893657@CINMBCNA01.e2k.ad.ge.com>
	<93D10F008B998B4A83BCA855A33EEF372C893676@CINMBCNA01.e2k.ad.ge.com>
	<E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C50163B326@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
Message-ID: <3C7CC011-73C1-4B77-B3BF-715AF6E29CDD@verizon.net>

Take the SQL from query1 in access and use it on the excel side in the ado call

Jim

Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 25, 2012, at 3:39 PM, "Brad Marks" <BradM at blackforestltd.com> wrote:

> All,
> 
> I have just started to experiment with pulling Access 2007 data into Excel.
> 
> I have an test Excel file that uses VBA code to pull the data from the Access table.
> This is working nicely.
> 
> I would now like to pull data into Excel via the Access query that I have set up.
> 
> I simply changed the SQL Statement in the Excel VBA code like this.
> 
> strSQL = "SELECT Field1 From Table1;"
> 
> strSQL = "SELECT Field1 From Query1;"
> 
> When I now run the Excel VBA code no data is returned.
> 
> I must be missing something.
> 
> Does anyone have an example of how to pull data from an Access query into Excel via VBA code in Excel?
> 
> Thanks,
> Brad
> -- 
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> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com


From BradM at blackforestltd.com  Sun Nov 25 17:32:05 2012
From: BradM at blackforestltd.com (Brad Marks)
Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2012 17:32:05 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Error trying to install MzTools
References: <CAEPJO1gZUdfwymG55Sb8d6KNUua9jzqZhb4b_ypFXnmyABHZDw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C50163B328@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>

Arthur,

Recently, a friend told me about a purchased application that ran nicely under XP (32 bit)
and will no longer run under Win7 (64 bit).

I have done some digging on his behalf and started to read about "XP Mode".  It sounds like
XP Mode may enable older applications to run under Win7 (64 bit).  I believe that XP Mode is free.

You may want to try this approach.

Also, I am curious if anyone else has run into older applications that will no longer run with Win-7 (64 bit) and if anyone has experimented with XP Mode.

Brad  

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com on behalf of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Sun 11/25/2012 5:14 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Error trying to install MzTools
 
I recently attempted to install MzTools on a reconstructed partition
(Windows 7 Ultimate 64-bit) and got the following error:

Ox80008005

along with a suggestion that I Google it, which I did, and got a number of
hits, none of which seemed helpful.

Has anyone got this error and figured out how to solve it?

TIA,
Arthur
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Sun Nov 25 17:41:17 2012
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2012 09:41:17 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Error trying to install MzTools
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1gZUdfwymG55Sb8d6KNUua9jzqZhb4b_ypFXnmyABHZDw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1gZUdfwymG55Sb8d6KNUua9jzqZhb4b_ypFXnmyABHZDw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <50B2AC9D.6971.2186F565@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

0x80008005 = server execution failed
which means that a COM server (the MZTools DLL?) couldn't be started.

Are you running 32bit or 64bit Office on that machine?

-- 
Stuart


On 25 Nov 2012 at 18:14, Arthur Fuller wrote:

> I recently attempted to install MzTools on a reconstructed partition
> (Windows 7 Ultimate 64-bit) and got the following error:
> 
> Ox80008005
> 
> along with a suggestion that I Google it, which I did, and got a number of
> hits, none of which seemed helpful.
> 
> Has anyone got this error and figured out how to solve it?
> 
> TIA,
> Arthur
> -- 
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 



From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Sun Nov 25 17:48:49 2012
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2012 18:48:49 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Error trying to install MzTools
In-Reply-To: <E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C50163B328@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
References: <CAEPJO1gZUdfwymG55Sb8d6KNUua9jzqZhb4b_ypFXnmyABHZDw@mail.gmail.com>
	<E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C50163B328@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1hVv-3QxVM15+Xjyevh+CgfNwA=50G+x_8oK_+vuU22Lg@mail.gmail.com>

Yes I am running 64-bit, so that explains the problem. Meanwhile I'm not
even sure what XP Mode means, but will Google it and hope I learn
something.

It's really a shame to program in Access VBA without the help of MzTools!

Thanks for the tips, guys.


On Sun, Nov 25, 2012 at 6:32 PM, Brad Marks <BradM at blackforestltd.com>wrote:

> Arthur,
>
> Recently, a friend told me about a purchased application that ran nicely
> under XP (32 bit)
> and will no longer run under Win7 (64 bit).
>
> I have done some digging on his behalf and started to read about "XP
> Mode".  It sounds like
> XP Mode may enable older applications to run under Win7 (64 bit).  I
> believe that XP Mode is free.
>
> You may want to try this approach.
>
> Also, I am curious if anyone else has run into older applications that
> will no longer run with Win-7 (64 bit) and if anyone has experimented with
> XP Mode.
>
> Brad
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com on behalf of Arthur Fuller
> Sent: Sun 11/25/2012 5:14 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] Error trying to install MzTools
>
> I recently attempted to install MzTools on a reconstructed partition
> (Windows 7 Ultimate 64-bit) and got the following error:
>
> Ox80008005
>
> along with a suggestion that I Google it, which I did, and got a number of
> hits, none of which seemed helpful.
>
> Has anyone got this error and figured out how to solve it?
>
> TIA,
> Arthur
> --
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> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
> --
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> believed to be clean.
>
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>


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Prediction is difficult, especially of the future.
  -- Niels Bohr

From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Sun Nov 25 17:54:01 2012
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2012 09:54:01 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Error trying to install MzTools
In-Reply-To: <E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C50163B328@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
References: <CAEPJO1gZUdfwymG55Sb8d6KNUua9jzqZhb4b_ypFXnmyABHZDw@mail.gmail.com>,
	<E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C50163B328@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
Message-ID: <50B2AF99.12386.21929C5E@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

If something won't run on 64bit that did run in 32bit, it usually means that it relies on some 
*old* 16 bit component such as a DLL that hasn't been updated for many years - or it may be 
something that previously  ran under WOW32 ( an old 16 bit Win98 application?).

Any straight 32bit application should run seamlessly on Win64 through the WOW64 
sub-system.

However if it uses its own specific 32 bit kernel mode drivers, that is a different matter.

-- 
Stuart

On 25 Nov 2012 at 17:32, Brad Marks wrote:

> Arthur,
> 
> Recently, a friend told me about a purchased application that ran nicely under XP (32 bit)
> and will no longer run under Win7 (64 bit).
> 
> I have done some digging on his behalf and started to read about "XP Mode".  It sounds like
> XP Mode may enable older applications to run under Win7 (64 bit).  I believe that XP Mode is free.
> 
> You may want to try this approach.
> 
> Also, I am curious if anyone else has run into older applications that will no longer run with Win-7 (64 bit) and if anyone has experimented with XP Mode.
> 
> Brad  
> 
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com on behalf of Arthur Fuller
> Sent: Sun 11/25/2012 5:14 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] Error trying to install MzTools
>  
> I recently attempted to install MzTools on a reconstructed partition
> (Windows 7 Ultimate 64-bit) and got the following error:
> 
> Ox80008005
> 
> along with a suggestion that I Google it, which I did, and got a number of
> hits, none of which seemed helpful.
> 
> Has anyone got this error and figured out how to solve it?
> 
> TIA,
> Arthur
> -- 
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 
> -- 
> This message has been scanned for viruses and
> dangerous content by MailScanner, and is
> believed to be clean.
> 
> 
> 



From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Sun Nov 25 17:59:26 2012
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2012 09:59:26 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Error trying to install MzTools
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1hVv-3QxVM15+Xjyevh+CgfNwA=50G+x_8oK_+vuU22Lg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1gZUdfwymG55Sb8d6KNUua9jzqZhb4b_ypFXnmyABHZDw@mail.gmail.com>,
	<E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C50163B328@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>,
	<CAEPJO1hVv-3QxVM15+Xjyevh+CgfNwA=50G+x_8oK_+vuU22Lg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <50B2B0DE.24282.21979405@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

XP Mode is a virtual PC running 32 bit Win XP on top of Win7 64bit. 

Here's a good article:

http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2010/01/windows-xp-mode/

-- 
Stuart

On 25 Nov 2012 at 18:48, Arthur Fuller wrote:

> Yes I am running 64-bit, so that explains the problem. Meanwhile I'm not
> even sure what XP Mode means, but will Google it and hope I learn
> something.
> 
> It's really a shame to program in Access VBA without the help of MzTools!
> 
> Thanks for the tips, guys.
> 
> 
> On Sun, Nov 25, 2012 at 6:32 PM, Brad Marks <BradM at blackforestltd.com>wrote:
> 
> > Arthur,
> >
> > Recently, a friend told me about a purchased application that ran nicely
> > under XP (32 bit)
> > and will no longer run under Win7 (64 bit).
> >
> > I have done some digging on his behalf and started to read about "XP
> > Mode".  It sounds like
> > XP Mode may enable older applications to run under Win7 (64 bit).  I
> > believe that XP Mode is free.
> >
> > You may want to try this approach.
> >
> > Also, I am curious if anyone else has run into older applications that
> > will no longer run with Win-7 (64 bit) and if anyone has experimented with
> > XP Mode.
> >
> > Brad
> >
> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com on behalf of Arthur Fuller
> > Sent: Sun 11/25/2012 5:14 PM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: [AccessD] Error trying to install MzTools
> >
> > I recently attempted to install MzTools on a reconstructed partition
> > (Windows 7 Ultimate 64-bit) and got the following error:
> >
> > Ox80008005
> >
> > along with a suggestion that I Google it, which I did, and got a number of
> > hits, none of which seemed helpful.
> >
> > Has anyone got this error and figured out how to solve it?
> >
> > TIA,
> > Arthur
> > --
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> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
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> >
> 
> 
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> 
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From BradM at blackforestltd.com  Sun Nov 25 17:55:49 2012
From: BradM at blackforestltd.com (Brad Marks)
Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2012 17:55:49 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Error trying to install MzTools
References: <CAEPJO1gZUdfwymG55Sb8d6KNUua9jzqZhb4b_ypFXnmyABHZDw@mail.gmail.com><E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C50163B328@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
	<CAEPJO1hVv-3QxVM15+Xjyevh+CgfNwA=50G+x_8oK_+vuU22Lg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C50163B329@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>

Arthur,

Here are some links about XP Mode that might be helpful.

http://www.microsoft.com/windows/virtual-pc/download.aspx

http://social.technet.microsoft.com/wiki/contents/articles/2334.windows-xp-mode-overview-prerequisites-and-installation-en-us.aspx

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Virtual_PC#Windows_XP_Mode


Brad

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com on behalf of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Sun 11/25/2012 5:48 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Error trying to install MzTools
 
Yes I am running 64-bit, so that explains the problem. Meanwhile I'm not
even sure what XP Mode means, but will Google it and hope I learn
something.

It's really a shame to program in Access VBA without the help of MzTools!

Thanks for the tips, guys.


On Sun, Nov 25, 2012 at 6:32 PM, Brad Marks <BradM at blackforestltd.com>wrote:

> Arthur,
>
> Recently, a friend told me about a purchased application that ran nicely
> under XP (32 bit)
> and will no longer run under Win7 (64 bit).
>
> I have done some digging on his behalf and started to read about "XP
> Mode".  It sounds like
> XP Mode may enable older applications to run under Win7 (64 bit).  I
> believe that XP Mode is free.
>
> You may want to try this approach.
>
> Also, I am curious if anyone else has run into older applications that
> will no longer run with Win-7 (64 bit) and if anyone has experimented with
> XP Mode.
>
> Brad
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com on behalf of Arthur Fuller
> Sent: Sun 11/25/2012 5:14 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] Error trying to install MzTools
>
> I recently attempted to install MzTools on a reconstructed partition
> (Windows 7 Ultimate 64-bit) and got the following error:
>
> Ox80008005
>
> along with a suggestion that I Google it, which I did, and got a number of
> hits, none of which seemed helpful.
>
> Has anyone got this error and figured out how to solve it?
>
> TIA,
> Arthur
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
> --
> This message has been scanned for viruses and
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> believed to be clean.
>
>
>
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>


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From BradM at blackforestltd.com  Sun Nov 25 18:15:35 2012
From: BradM at blackforestltd.com (Brad Marks)
Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2012 18:15:35 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] How to Pull Data from an Access Query into Excel with
	VBA Code in Excel (ADO)
References: <93D10F008B998B4A83BCA855A33EEF372C893657@CINMBCNA01.e2k.ad.ge.com><93D10F008B998B4A83BCA855A33EEF372C893676@CINMBCNA01.e2k.ad.ge.com><E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C50163B326@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
	<3C7CC011-73C1-4B77-B3BF-715AF6E29CDD@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C50163B32A@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>

Jim,

I followed your suggestion and placed Query1's SQL on the Excel side of the fence and it worked nicely.

I then built a new query in Access (Query2) which worked as I was originally trying to do with Query1.

strSQL = "SELECT Field1 From Query2;" 


I then re-tested query1 on Access and made some minor changes.

To my surprise, Query1 is now working in Excel via

strSQL = "SELECT Field1 From Query1;" 


I am still not sure why I ran into the original problem or why it is now working.

I plan to do some more testing.

Thanks for you help.

Brad

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

  
  

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com on behalf of Jim Dettman
Sent: Sun 11/25/2012 5:31 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] How to Pull Data from an Access Query into Excel with VBA Code in Excel (ADO)
 
Take the SQL from query1 in access and use it on the excel side in the ado call

Jim

Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 25, 2012, at 3:39 PM, "Brad Marks" <BradM at blackforestltd.com> wrote:

> All,
> 
> I have just started to experiment with pulling Access 2007 data into Excel.
> 
> I have an test Excel file that uses VBA code to pull the data from the Access table.
> This is working nicely.
> 
> I would now like to pull data into Excel via the Access query that I have set up.
> 
> I simply changed the SQL Statement in the Excel VBA code like this.
> 
> strSQL = "SELECT Field1 From Table1;"
> 
> strSQL = "SELECT Field1 From Query1;"
> 
> When I now run the Excel VBA code no data is returned.
> 
> I must be missing something.
> 
> Does anyone have an example of how to pull data from an Access query into Excel via VBA code in Excel?
> 
> Thanks,
> Brad
> -- 
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From jimdettman at verizon.net  Sun Nov 25 18:24:30 2012
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2012 19:24:30 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Error trying to install MzTools
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1hVv-3QxVM15+Xjyevh+CgfNwA=50G+x_8oK_+vuU22Lg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1gZUdfwymG55Sb8d6KNUua9jzqZhb4b_ypFXnmyABHZDw@mail.gmail.com>
	<E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C50163B328@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
	<CAEPJO1hVv-3QxVM15+Xjyevh+CgfNwA=50G+x_8oK_+vuU22Lg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <44A410BC-9ABE-49F3-A89E-CE6F5BB6DD98@verizon.net>

XP mode is a vm image that you can run under win 7

Jim

Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 25, 2012, at 6:48 PM, Arthur Fuller <fuller.artful at gmail.com> wrote:

> Yes I am running 64-bit, so that explains the problem. Meanwhile I'm not
> even sure what XP Mode means, but will Google it and hope I learn
> something.
> 
> It's really a shame to program in Access VBA without the help of MzTools!
> 
> Thanks for the tips, guys.
> 
> 
> On Sun, Nov 25, 2012 at 6:32 PM, Brad Marks <BradM at blackforestltd.com>wrote:
> 
>> Arthur,
>> 
>> Recently, a friend told me about a purchased application that ran nicely
>> under XP (32 bit)
>> and will no longer run under Win7 (64 bit).
>> 
>> I have done some digging on his behalf and started to read about "XP
>> Mode".  It sounds like
>> XP Mode may enable older applications to run under Win7 (64 bit).  I
>> believe that XP Mode is free.
>> 
>> You may want to try this approach.
>> 
>> Also, I am curious if anyone else has run into older applications that
>> will no longer run with Win-7 (64 bit) and if anyone has experimented with
>> XP Mode.
>> 
>> Brad
>> 
>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com on behalf of Arthur Fuller
>> Sent: Sun 11/25/2012 5:14 PM
>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>> Subject: [AccessD] Error trying to install MzTools
>> 
>> I recently attempted to install MzTools on a reconstructed partition
>> (Windows 7 Ultimate 64-bit) and got the following error:
>> 
>> Ox80008005
>> 
>> along with a suggestion that I Google it, which I did, and got a number of
>> hits, none of which seemed helpful.
>> 
>> Has anyone got this error and figured out how to solve it?
>> 
>> TIA,
>> Arthur
>> --
>> AccessD mailing list
>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>> 
>> --
>> This message has been scanned for viruses and
>> dangerous content by MailScanner, and is
>> believed to be clean.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> --
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>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 
> 
> -- 
> Arthur
> Cell: 647.710.1314
> 
> Prediction is difficult, especially of the future.
>  -- Niels Bohr
> -- 
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> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
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From jimdettman at verizon.net  Sun Nov 25 18:28:51 2012
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2012 19:28:51 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Error trying to install MzTools
In-Reply-To: <44A410BC-9ABE-49F3-A89E-CE6F5BB6DD98@verizon.net>
References: <CAEPJO1gZUdfwymG55Sb8d6KNUua9jzqZhb4b_ypFXnmyABHZDw@mail.gmail.com>
	<E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C50163B328@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
	<CAEPJO1hVv-3QxVM15+Xjyevh+CgfNwA=50G+x_8oK_+vuU22Lg@mail.gmail.com>
	<44A410BC-9ABE-49F3-A89E-CE6F5BB6DD98@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <95F8E95A-564B-415A-AC0C-E00BBA6128CC@verizon.net>

By the way, that won't really help...  You'd have to be running access in the same vm and it would need to 32 bit

And for what it's worth, I would still avoid using 64 bit office unless you have a very specific need to use it. 

Jim

Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 25, 2012, at 7:24 PM, Jim Dettman <jimdettman at verizon.net> wrote:

> XP mode is a vm image that you can run under win 7
> 
> Jim
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Nov 25, 2012, at 6:48 PM, Arthur Fuller <fuller.artful at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> Yes I am running 64-bit, so that explains the problem. Meanwhile I'm not
>> even sure what XP Mode means, but will Google it and hope I learn
>> something.
>> 
>> It's really a shame to program in Access VBA without the help of MzTools!
>> 
>> Thanks for the tips, guys.
>> 
>> 
>> On Sun, Nov 25, 2012 at 6:32 PM, Brad Marks <BradM at blackforestltd.com>wrote:
>> 
>>> Arthur,
>>> 
>>> Recently, a friend told me about a purchased application that ran nicely
>>> under XP (32 bit)
>>> and will no longer run under Win7 (64 bit).
>>> 
>>> I have done some digging on his behalf and started to read about "XP
>>> Mode".  It sounds like
>>> XP Mode may enable older applications to run under Win7 (64 bit).  I
>>> believe that XP Mode is free.
>>> 
>>> You may want to try this approach.
>>> 
>>> Also, I am curious if anyone else has run into older applications that
>>> will no longer run with Win-7 (64 bit) and if anyone has experimented with
>>> XP Mode.
>>> 
>>> Brad
>>> 
>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com on behalf of Arthur Fuller
>>> Sent: Sun 11/25/2012 5:14 PM
>>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>>> Subject: [AccessD] Error trying to install MzTools
>>> 
>>> I recently attempted to install MzTools on a reconstructed partition
>>> (Windows 7 Ultimate 64-bit) and got the following error:
>>> 
>>> Ox80008005
>>> 
>>> along with a suggestion that I Google it, which I did, and got a number of
>>> hits, none of which seemed helpful.
>>> 
>>> Has anyone got this error and figured out how to solve it?
>>> 
>>> TIA,
>>> Arthur
>>> --
>>> AccessD mailing list
>>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>> 
>>> --
>>> This message has been scanned for viruses and
>>> dangerous content by MailScanner, and is
>>> believed to be clean.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> --
>>> AccessD mailing list
>>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>> 
>> 
>> -- 
>> Arthur
>> Cell: 647.710.1314
>> 
>> Prediction is difficult, especially of the future.
>> -- Niels Bohr
>> -- 
>> AccessD mailing list
>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 
> -- 
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> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com


From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Sun Nov 25 18:45:39 2012
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2012 10:45:39 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Error trying to install MzTools
In-Reply-To: <95F8E95A-564B-415A-AC0C-E00BBA6128CC@verizon.net>
References: <CAEPJO1gZUdfwymG55Sb8d6KNUua9jzqZhb4b_ypFXnmyABHZDw@mail.gmail.com>,
	<44A410BC-9ABE-49F3-A89E-CE6F5BB6DD98@verizon.net>,
	<95F8E95A-564B-415A-AC0C-E00BBA6128CC@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <50B2BBB3.13167.21C1E32E@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

Hear, hear!

On 25 Nov 2012 at 19:28, Jim Dettman wrote:

> And for what it's worth, I would still avoid using 64 bit office unless you have a very specific need to use it. 
> 
> Jim
> 


From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Sun Nov 25 18:46:29 2012
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2012 19:46:29 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Error trying to install MzTools
In-Reply-To: <95F8E95A-564B-415A-AC0C-E00BBA6128CC@verizon.net>
References: <CAEPJO1gZUdfwymG55Sb8d6KNUua9jzqZhb4b_ypFXnmyABHZDw@mail.gmail.com>
	<E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C50163B328@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
	<CAEPJO1hVv-3QxVM15+Xjyevh+CgfNwA=50G+x_8oK_+vuU22Lg@mail.gmail.com>
	<44A410BC-9ABE-49F3-A89E-CE6F5BB6DD98@verizon.net>
	<95F8E95A-564B-415A-AC0C-E00BBA6128CC@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1jsStpiLHbFVkxW6OXtFe=FAS-noB2y_R6EQitaM3GChw@mail.gmail.com>

I run 32-bit Office in a 64-bit system. The main reason I chose 64-bit was
for SQL Server. If I had a 32-bit version of Windows 7 I'd install it, but
sadly I don't. Maybe I'll buy one (I notice that Win7 is deeply discounted
lately) and set up a dual boot instead.

I'm beginning to think that I should just get a box for each OS I want to
run. In the case of the two Linux VMs I run currently, a sufficient box for
each of them is about $120 lately. Linux is just fine with a mere 2GB of
RAM.

Speaking of multiple boxes, what are those devices called that enable a
single monitor and mouse and keyboard to work with multiple machines? You
just turn a dial to switch from Box 1... Box 4.

A.

A.


On Sun, Nov 25, 2012 at 7:28 PM, Jim Dettman <jimdettman at verizon.net> wrote:

> By the way, that won't really help...  You'd have to be running access in
> the same vm and it would need to 32 bit
>
> And for what it's worth, I would still avoid using 64 bit office unless
> you have a very specific need to use it.
>
> Jim
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Nov 25, 2012, at 7:24 PM, Jim Dettman <jimdettman at verizon.net> wrote:
>
> > XP mode is a vm image that you can run under win 7
> >
> > Jim
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > On Nov 25, 2012, at 6:48 PM, Arthur Fuller <fuller.artful at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >> Yes I am running 64-bit, so that explains the problem. Meanwhile I'm not
> >> even sure what XP Mode means, but will Google it and hope I learn
> >> something.
> >>
> >> It's really a shame to program in Access VBA without the help of
> MzTools!
> >>
> >> Thanks for the tips, guys.
> >>
> >>
> >> On Sun, Nov 25, 2012 at 6:32 PM, Brad Marks <BradM at blackforestltd.com
> >wrote:
> >>
> >>> Arthur,
> >>>
> >>> Recently, a friend told me about a purchased application that ran
> nicely
> >>> under XP (32 bit)
> >>> and will no longer run under Win7 (64 bit).
> >>>
> >>> I have done some digging on his behalf and started to read about "XP
> >>> Mode".  It sounds like
> >>> XP Mode may enable older applications to run under Win7 (64 bit).  I
> >>> believe that XP Mode is free.
> >>>
> >>> You may want to try this approach.
> >>>
> >>> Also, I am curious if anyone else has run into older applications that
> >>> will no longer run with Win-7 (64 bit) and if anyone has experimented
> with
> >>> XP Mode.
> >>>
> >>> Brad
> >>>
> >>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> >>>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com on behalf of Arthur Fuller
> >>> Sent: Sun 11/25/2012 5:14 PM
> >>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> >>> Subject: [AccessD] Error trying to install MzTools
> >>>
> >>> I recently attempted to install MzTools on a reconstructed partition
> >>> (Windows 7 Ultimate 64-bit) and got the following error:
> >>>
> >>> Ox80008005
> >>>
> >>> along with a suggestion that I Google it, which I did, and got a
> number of
> >>> hits, none of which seemed helpful.
> >>>
> >>> Has anyone got this error and figured out how to solve it?
> >>>
> >>> TIA,
> >>> Arthur
> >>> --
> >>> AccessD mailing list
> >>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> >>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> >>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> This message has been scanned for viruses and
> >>> dangerous content by MailScanner, and is
> >>> believed to be clean.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> AccessD mailing list
> >>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> >>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> >>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Arthur
> >> Cell: 647.710.1314
> >>
> >> Prediction is difficult, especially of the future.
> >> -- Niels Bohr
> >> --
> >> AccessD mailing list
> >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> > --
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
> --
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> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>



-- 
Arthur
Cell: 647.710.1314

Prediction is difficult, especially of the future.
  -- Niels Bohr

From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Sun Nov 25 19:03:47 2012
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2012 11:03:47 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Error trying to install MzTools
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1jsStpiLHbFVkxW6OXtFe=FAS-noB2y_R6EQitaM3GChw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1gZUdfwymG55Sb8d6KNUua9jzqZhb4b_ypFXnmyABHZDw@mail.gmail.com>,
	<95F8E95A-564B-415A-AC0C-E00BBA6128CC@verizon.net>,
	<CAEPJO1jsStpiLHbFVkxW6OXtFe=FAS-noB2y_R6EQitaM3GChw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <50B2BFF3.25377.21D27D89@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

For me, the main advantage of W64 v W32 is the amount of RAM it supports. 

If you are running W64 with lots of RAM, you could try VirtualBox with a VM for each OS.
rather than mulitple boxen.   Especially if you can run a multi- monitor setup.   That's what I 
do with my main development laptop - run an extended desktop on an external monitor with a 
VirtualBox VM on it.  To switch OSs, I just need to move my mouse across to the other 
screen.
 

KVM switches -  (Keyboard/Video/Mouse)

-- 
Stuart

On 25 Nov 2012 at 19:46, Arthur Fuller wrote:

> I run 32-bit Office in a 64-bit system. The main reason I chose 64-bit was
> for SQL Server. If I had a 32-bit version of Windows 7 I'd install it, but
> sadly I don't. Maybe I'll buy one (I notice that Win7 is deeply discounted
> lately) and set up a dual boot instead.
> 
> I'm beginning to think that I should just get a box for each OS I want to
> run. In the case of the two Linux VMs I run currently, a sufficient box for
> each of them is about $120 lately. Linux is just fine with a mere 2GB of
> RAM.
> 
> Speaking of multiple boxes, what are those devices called that enable a
> single monitor and mouse and keyboard to work with multiple machines? You
> just turn a dial to switch from Box 1... Box 4.
> 


From vbacreations at gmail.com  Sun Nov 25 20:31:40 2012
From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson)
Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2012 21:31:40 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] How to Pull Data from an Access Query into Excel with
 VBA Code in Excel (ADO)
In-Reply-To: <E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C50163B32A@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
References: <93D10F008B998B4A83BCA855A33EEF372C893657@CINMBCNA01.e2k.ad.ge.com>
	<93D10F008B998B4A83BCA855A33EEF372C893676@CINMBCNA01.e2k.ad.ge.com>
	<E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C50163B326@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
	<3C7CC011-73C1-4B77-B3BF-715AF6E29CDD@verizon.net>
	<E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C50163B32A@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
Message-ID: <CAGuQ9V40-7+g9k2S=7dqg8fJYEFykxSGXA-SGG5uvyMMSbCgjA@mail.gmail.com>

To my mind there is no good reason for it not to work however I have found
through ADO the semicolon is not an acceptable character to have at the end
of a statement when I queried an Oracle table. I don't know why I was
getting an "Invalid Character"  message but I was. You didnt say if you
were also trapping an error Mark, you only said that you were not having
records returned. So tjst is why I did not suggest removing the semicolon.
I honestly dont know what the correct use of semicolon is but glad now I
didnt go after the red herring.

You have not specified but I would like to know what is the code you use to
connect to the database.... ie, driver, datasource, provider. Are you using
ADO?

In future I think the additional information could help lead to better
responses, FWIW.

Best regards,

Bill

...grabled by smrat phonn as ususl
On Nov 25, 2012 7:19 PM, "Brad Marks" <BradM at blackforestltd.com> wrote:

> Jim,
>
> I followed your suggestion and placed Query1's SQL on the Excel side of
> the fence and it worked nicely.
>
> I then built a new query in Access (Query2) which worked as I was
> originally trying to do with Query1.
>
> strSQL = "SELECT Field1 From Query2;"
>
>
> I then re-tested query1 on Access and made some minor changes.
>
> To my surprise, Query1 is now working in Excel via
>
> strSQL = "SELECT Field1 From Query1;"
>
>
> I am still not sure why I ran into the original problem or why it is now
> working.
>
> I plan to do some more testing.
>
> Thanks for you help.
>
> Brad
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com on behalf of Jim Dettman
> Sent: Sun 11/25/2012 5:31 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] How to Pull Data from an Access Query into Excel
> with VBA Code in Excel (ADO)
>
> Take the SQL from query1 in access and use it on the excel side in the ado
> call
>
> Jim
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Nov 25, 2012, at 3:39 PM, "Brad Marks" <BradM at blackforestltd.com>
> wrote:
>
> > All,
> >
> > I have just started to experiment with pulling Access 2007 data into
> Excel.
> >
> > I have an test Excel file that uses VBA code to pull the data from the
> Access table.
> > This is working nicely.
> >
> > I would now like to pull data into Excel via the Access query that I
> have set up.
> >
> > I simply changed the SQL Statement in the Excel VBA code like this.
> >
> > strSQL = "SELECT Field1 From Table1;"
> >
> > strSQL = "SELECT Field1 From Query1;"
> >
> > When I now run the Excel VBA code no data is returned.
> >
> > I must be missing something.
> >
> > Does anyone have an example of how to pull data from an Access query
> into Excel via VBA code in Excel?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Brad
> > --
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
> --
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>
> --
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> believed to be clean.
>
>
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>
>

From jackandpat.d at gmail.com  Sun Nov 25 20:35:49 2012
From: jackandpat.d at gmail.com (jack drawbridge)
Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2012 21:35:49 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Error trying to install MzTools
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1jsStpiLHbFVkxW6OXtFe=FAS-noB2y_R6EQitaM3GChw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1gZUdfwymG55Sb8d6KNUua9jzqZhb4b_ypFXnmyABHZDw@mail.gmail.com>
	<E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C50163B328@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
	<CAEPJO1hVv-3QxVM15+Xjyevh+CgfNwA=50G+x_8oK_+vuU22Lg@mail.gmail.com>
	<44A410BC-9ABE-49F3-A89E-CE6F5BB6DD98@verizon.net>
	<95F8E95A-564B-415A-AC0C-E00BBA6128CC@verizon.net>
	<CAEPJO1jsStpiLHbFVkxW6OXtFe=FAS-noB2y_R6EQitaM3GChw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAKvidAvPP8qc0CmJAiQjFiQ-NTD8vvHGEbTMeot60JGn+qxxLw@mail.gmail.com>

The box you're talking about is called a KVM switch.


On Sun, Nov 25, 2012 at 7:46 PM, Arthur Fuller <fuller.artful at gmail.com>wrote:

> I run 32-bit Office in a 64-bit system. The main reason I chose 64-bit was
> for SQL Server. If I had a 32-bit version of Windows 7 I'd install it, but
> sadly I don't. Maybe I'll buy one (I notice that Win7 is deeply discounted
> lately) and set up a dual boot instead.
>
> I'm beginning to think that I should just get a box for each OS I want to
> run. In the case of the two Linux VMs I run currently, a sufficient box for
> each of them is about $120 lately. Linux is just fine with a mere 2GB of
> RAM.
>
> Speaking of multiple boxes, what are those devices called that enable a
> single monitor and mouse and keyboard to work with multiple machines? You
> just turn a dial to switch from Box 1... Box 4.
>
> A.
>
> A.
>
>
> On Sun, Nov 25, 2012 at 7:28 PM, Jim Dettman <jimdettman at verizon.net>
> wrote:
>
> > By the way, that won't really help...  You'd have to be running access in
> > the same vm and it would need to 32 bit
> >
> > And for what it's worth, I would still avoid using 64 bit office unless
> > you have a very specific need to use it.
> >
> > Jim
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > On Nov 25, 2012, at 7:24 PM, Jim Dettman <jimdettman at verizon.net> wrote:
> >
> > > XP mode is a vm image that you can run under win 7
> > >
> > > Jim
> > >
> > > Sent from my iPhone
> > >
> > > On Nov 25, 2012, at 6:48 PM, Arthur Fuller <fuller.artful at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > >> Yes I am running 64-bit, so that explains the problem. Meanwhile I'm
> not
> > >> even sure what XP Mode means, but will Google it and hope I learn
> > >> something.
> > >>
> > >> It's really a shame to program in Access VBA without the help of
> > MzTools!
> > >>
> > >> Thanks for the tips, guys.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> On Sun, Nov 25, 2012 at 6:32 PM, Brad Marks <BradM at blackforestltd.com
> > >wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> Arthur,
> > >>>
> > >>> Recently, a friend told me about a purchased application that ran
> > nicely
> > >>> under XP (32 bit)
> > >>> and will no longer run under Win7 (64 bit).
> > >>>
> > >>> I have done some digging on his behalf and started to read about "XP
> > >>> Mode".  It sounds like
> > >>> XP Mode may enable older applications to run under Win7 (64 bit).  I
> > >>> believe that XP Mode is free.
> > >>>
> > >>> You may want to try this approach.
> > >>>
> > >>> Also, I am curious if anyone else has run into older applications
> that
> > >>> will no longer run with Win-7 (64 bit) and if anyone has experimented
> > with
> > >>> XP Mode.
> > >>>
> > >>> Brad
> > >>>
> > >>>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > >>>
> > >>> -----Original Message-----
> > >>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com on behalf of Arthur
> Fuller
> > >>> Sent: Sun 11/25/2012 5:14 PM
> > >>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > >>> Subject: [AccessD] Error trying to install MzTools
> > >>>
> > >>> I recently attempted to install MzTools on a reconstructed partition
> > >>> (Windows 7 Ultimate 64-bit) and got the following error:
> > >>>
> > >>> Ox80008005
> > >>>
> > >>> along with a suggestion that I Google it, which I did, and got a
> > number of
> > >>> hits, none of which seemed helpful.
> > >>>
> > >>> Has anyone got this error and figured out how to solve it?
> > >>>
> > >>> TIA,
> > >>> Arthur
> > >>> --
> > >>> AccessD mailing list
> > >>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > >>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > >>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > >>>
> > >>> --
> > >>> This message has been scanned for viruses and
> > >>> dangerous content by MailScanner, and is
> > >>> believed to be clean.
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> --
> > >>> AccessD mailing list
> > >>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > >>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > >>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> --
> > >> Arthur
> > >> Cell: 647.710.1314
> > >>
> > >> Prediction is difficult, especially of the future.
> > >> -- Niels Bohr
> > >> --
> > >> AccessD mailing list
> > >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > >
> > > --
> > > AccessD mailing list
> > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> > --
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Arthur
> Cell: 647.710.1314
>
> Prediction is difficult, especially of the future.
>   -- Niels Bohr
> --
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>

From vbacreations at gmail.com  Sun Nov 25 20:58:29 2012
From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson)
Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2012 21:58:29 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Error trying to install MzTools
In-Reply-To: <CAKvidAvPP8qc0CmJAiQjFiQ-NTD8vvHGEbTMeot60JGn+qxxLw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1gZUdfwymG55Sb8d6KNUua9jzqZhb4b_ypFXnmyABHZDw@mail.gmail.com>
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	<44A410BC-9ABE-49F3-A89E-CE6F5BB6DD98@verizon.net>
	<95F8E95A-564B-415A-AC0C-E00BBA6128CC@verizon.net>
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I had some elaborate setup which cost me a couple hundred dollars. It was
painful to setup. Cables everywhere. Attempted to handle 2 LAPTOPS dockef
in port replicators. Dual monitors USB all in one. It only worked
sometimes. I eventually dismantled it in favor of swapping the laptops in
and out of a single port replicator as in reality I did not need to switch
back and forth as much as I thought. AND NOW MY WORK AREA IS MUCH CLEANER.
I found it very hard to locate a good kvm and usb solution. Good luck.

There are probably ways that using remoteware one computer can just see
what the other is doing and control it but I do t know if they require
identical OSes. I do think that since I was running an office (GE) laptop
over a VPN that I could not find a way last I checked to have one remote
into the other.

Dont mean to hijack this thread but when I hear kvm, vm, and remoteware
solutions being discussed I get multi-environment envy... cuz I never seem
to get the best of all worlds when I work.

...grabled by smrat phonn as ususl
On Nov 25, 2012 9:37 PM, "jack drawbridge" <jackandpat.d at gmail.com> wrote:

> The box you're talking about is called a KVM switch.
>
>
> On Sun, Nov 25, 2012 at 7:46 PM, Arthur Fuller <fuller.artful at gmail.com
> >wrote:
>
> > I run 32-bit Office in a 64-bit system. The main reason I chose 64-bit
> was
> > for SQL Server. If I had a 32-bit version of Windows 7 I'd install it,
> but
> > sadly I don't. Maybe I'll buy one (I notice that Win7 is deeply
> discounted
> > lately) and set up a dual boot instead.
> >
> > I'm beginning to think that I should just get a box for each OS I want to
> > run. In the case of the two Linux VMs I run currently, a sufficient box
> for
> > each of them is about $120 lately. Linux is just fine with a mere 2GB of
> > RAM.
> >
> > Speaking of multiple boxes, what are those devices called that enable a
> > single monitor and mouse and keyboard to work with multiple machines? You
> > just turn a dial to switch from Box 1... Box 4.
> >
> > A.
> >
> > A.
> >
> >
> > On Sun, Nov 25, 2012 at 7:28 PM, Jim Dettman <jimdettman at verizon.net>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > By the way, that won't really help...  You'd have to be running access
> in
> > > the same vm and it would need to 32 bit
> > >
> > > And for what it's worth, I would still avoid using 64 bit office unless
> > > you have a very specific need to use it.
> > >
> > > Jim
> > >
> > > Sent from my iPhone
> > >
> > > On Nov 25, 2012, at 7:24 PM, Jim Dettman <jimdettman at verizon.net>
> wrote:
> > >
> > > > XP mode is a vm image that you can run under win 7
> > > >
> > > > Jim
> > > >
> > > > Sent from my iPhone
> > > >
> > > > On Nov 25, 2012, at 6:48 PM, Arthur Fuller <fuller.artful at gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> Yes I am running 64-bit, so that explains the problem. Meanwhile I'm
> > not
> > > >> even sure what XP Mode means, but will Google it and hope I learn
> > > >> something.
> > > >>
> > > >> It's really a shame to program in Access VBA without the help of
> > > MzTools!
> > > >>
> > > >> Thanks for the tips, guys.
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> On Sun, Nov 25, 2012 at 6:32 PM, Brad Marks <
> BradM at blackforestltd.com
> > > >wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >>> Arthur,
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Recently, a friend told me about a purchased application that ran
> > > nicely
> > > >>> under XP (32 bit)
> > > >>> and will no longer run under Win7 (64 bit).
> > > >>>
> > > >>> I have done some digging on his behalf and started to read about
> "XP
> > > >>> Mode".  It sounds like
> > > >>> XP Mode may enable older applications to run under Win7 (64 bit).
>  I
> > > >>> believe that XP Mode is free.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> You may want to try this approach.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Also, I am curious if anyone else has run into older applications
> > that
> > > >>> will no longer run with Win-7 (64 bit) and if anyone has
> experimented
> > > with
> > > >>> XP Mode.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Brad
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > > >>>
> > > >>> -----Original Message-----
> > > >>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com on behalf of Arthur
> > Fuller
> > > >>> Sent: Sun 11/25/2012 5:14 PM
> > > >>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > > >>> Subject: [AccessD] Error trying to install MzTools
> > > >>>
> > > >>> I recently attempted to install MzTools on a reconstructed
> partition
> > > >>> (Windows 7 Ultimate 64-bit) and got the following error:
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Ox80008005
> > > >>>
> > > >>> along with a suggestion that I Google it, which I did, and got a
> > > number of
> > > >>> hits, none of which seemed helpful.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Has anyone got this error and figured out how to solve it?
> > > >>>
> > > >>> TIA,
> > > >>> Arthur
> > > >>> --
> > > >>> AccessD mailing list
> > > >>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > >>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > >>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > > >>>
> > > >>> --
> > > >>> This message has been scanned for viruses and
> > > >>> dangerous content by MailScanner, and is
> > > >>> believed to be clean.
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>> --
> > > >>> AccessD mailing list
> > > >>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > >>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > >>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> --
> > > >> Arthur
> > > >> Cell: 647.710.1314
> > > >>
> > > >> Prediction is difficult, especially of the future.
> > > >> -- Niels Bohr
> > > >> --
> > > >> AccessD mailing list
> > > >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > AccessD mailing list
> > > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > >
> > > --
> > > AccessD mailing list
> > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Arthur
> > Cell: 647.710.1314
> >
> > Prediction is difficult, especially of the future.
> >   -- Niels Bohr
> > --
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> --
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> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>

From BradM at blackforestltd.com  Sun Nov 25 21:37:39 2012
From: BradM at blackforestltd.com (Brad Marks)
Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2012 21:37:39 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] How to Pull Data from an Access Query into Excel with
	VBA Code in Excel (ADO)
References: <93D10F008B998B4A83BCA855A33EEF372C893657@CINMBCNA01.e2k.ad.ge.com><93D10F008B998B4A83BCA855A33EEF372C893676@CINMBCNA01.e2k.ad.ge.com><E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C50163B326@blkltd.blkfst2003.local><3C7CC011-73C1-4B77-B3BF-715AF6E29CDD@verizon.net><E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C50163B32A@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
	<CAGuQ9V40-7+g9k2S=7dqg8fJYEFykxSGXA-SGG5uvyMMSbCgjA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C50163B32B@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>

Bill,

Here are more details...

Provider=Microsoft.ACE.OLEDB.12.0

Dim ADO_Connection As New ADODB.Connection
Dim ADO_RecordSet As New ADODB.Recordset

I have looked at several examples in two books and none of them have a semicolon at the end of the SQL string.  Therefore, my best guess is that my use of the semicolon is what caused the strange results that I saw earlier.

Thanks for your assistance.

Brad 



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com on behalf of William Benson
Sent: Sun 11/25/2012 8:31 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] How to Pull Data from an Access Query into Excel with VBA Code in Excel (ADO)
 
To my mind there is no good reason for it not to work however I have found
through ADO the semicolon is not an acceptable character to have at the end
of a statement when I queried an Oracle table. I don't know why I was
getting an "Invalid Character"  message but I was. You didnt say if you
were also trapping an error Mark, you only said that you were not having
records returned. So tjst is why I did not suggest removing the semicolon.
I honestly dont know what the correct use of semicolon is but glad now I
didnt go after the red herring.

You have not specified but I would like to know what is the code you use to
connect to the database.... ie, driver, datasource, provider. Are you using
ADO?

In future I think the additional information could help lead to better
responses, FWIW.

Best regards,

Bill

...grabled by smrat phonn as ususl
On Nov 25, 2012 7:19 PM, "Brad Marks" <BradM at blackforestltd.com> wrote:

> Jim,
>
> I followed your suggestion and placed Query1's SQL on the Excel side of
> the fence and it worked nicely.
>
> I then built a new query in Access (Query2) which worked as I was
> originally trying to do with Query1.
>
> strSQL = "SELECT Field1 From Query2;"
>
>
> I then re-tested query1 on Access and made some minor changes.
>
> To my surprise, Query1 is now working in Excel via
>
> strSQL = "SELECT Field1 From Query1;"
>
>
> I am still not sure why I ran into the original problem or why it is now
> working.
>
> I plan to do some more testing.
>
> Thanks for you help.
>
> Brad
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com on behalf of Jim Dettman
> Sent: Sun 11/25/2012 5:31 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] How to Pull Data from an Access Query into Excel
> with VBA Code in Excel (ADO)
>
> Take the SQL from query1 in access and use it on the excel side in the ado
> call
>
> Jim
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Nov 25, 2012, at 3:39 PM, "Brad Marks" <BradM at blackforestltd.com>
> wrote:
>
> > All,
> >
> > I have just started to experiment with pulling Access 2007 data into
> Excel.
> >
> > I have an test Excel file that uses VBA code to pull the data from the
> Access table.
> > This is working nicely.
> >
> > I would now like to pull data into Excel via the Access query that I
> have set up.
> >
> > I simply changed the SQL Statement in the Excel VBA code like this.
> >
> > strSQL = "SELECT Field1 From Table1;"
> >
> > strSQL = "SELECT Field1 From Query1;"
> >
> > When I now run the Excel VBA code no data is returned.
> >
> > I must be missing something.
> >
> > Does anyone have an example of how to pull data from an Access query
> into Excel via VBA code in Excel?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Brad
> > --
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
> --
> AccessD mailing list
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> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
> --
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> believed to be clean.
>
>
> --
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> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
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>
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From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au  Sun Nov 25 21:48:28 2012
From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2012 03:48:28 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] How to Pull Data from an Access Query into Excel
	with	VBA Code in Excel (ADO)
In-Reply-To: <E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C50163B32B@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
References: <93D10F008B998B4A83BCA855A33EEF372C893657@CINMBCNA01.e2k.ad.ge.com><93D10F008B998B4A83BCA855A33EEF372C893676@CINMBCNA01.e2k.ad.ge.com><E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C50163B326@blkltd.blkfst2003.local><3C7CC011-73C1-4B77-B3BF-715AF6E29CDD@verizon.net><E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C50163B32A@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
	<CAGuQ9V40-7+g9k2S=7dqg8fJYEFykxSGXA-SGG5uvyMMSbCgjA@mail.gmail.com>
	<E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C50163B32B@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
Message-ID: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B534355B71@SIXPRD0410MB384.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>

For what it is worth, I never use the ";" in my SQL strings when using ADO Excel -> Access (or visa versa) and it has never caused and issue (at least that I have been aware of).

Cheers
Darryl

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brad Marks
Sent: Monday, 26 November 2012 2:38 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] How to Pull Data from an Access Query into Excel with VBA Code in Excel (ADO)

Bill,

Here are more details...

Provider=Microsoft.ACE.OLEDB.12.0

Dim ADO_Connection As New ADODB.Connection Dim ADO_RecordSet As New ADODB.Recordset

I have looked at several examples in two books and none of them have a semicolon at the end of the SQL string.  Therefore, my best guess is that my use of the semicolon is what caused the strange results that I saw earlier.

Thanks for your assistance.

Brad 



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com on behalf of William Benson
Sent: Sun 11/25/2012 8:31 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] How to Pull Data from an Access Query into Excel with VBA Code in Excel (ADO)
 
To my mind there is no good reason for it not to work however I have found through ADO the semicolon is not an acceptable character to have at the end of a statement when I queried an Oracle table. I don't know why I was getting an "Invalid Character"  message but I was. You didnt say if you were also trapping an error Mark, you only said that you were not having records returned. So tjst is why I did not suggest removing the semicolon.
I honestly dont know what the correct use of semicolon is but glad now I didnt go after the red herring.

You have not specified but I would like to know what is the code you use to connect to the database.... ie, driver, datasource, provider. Are you using ADO?

In future I think the additional information could help lead to better responses, FWIW.

Best regards,

Bill

...grabled by smrat phonn as ususl
On Nov 25, 2012 7:19 PM, "Brad Marks" <BradM at blackforestltd.com> wrote:

> Jim,
>
> I followed your suggestion and placed Query1's SQL on the Excel side 
> of the fence and it worked nicely.
>
> I then built a new query in Access (Query2) which worked as I was 
> originally trying to do with Query1.
>
> strSQL = "SELECT Field1 From Query2;"
>
>
> I then re-tested query1 on Access and made some minor changes.
>
> To my surprise, Query1 is now working in Excel via
>
> strSQL = "SELECT Field1 From Query1;"
>
>
> I am still not sure why I ran into the original problem or why it is 
> now working.
>
> I plan to do some more testing.
>
> Thanks for you help.
>
> Brad
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com on behalf of Jim Dettman
> Sent: Sun 11/25/2012 5:31 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] How to Pull Data from an Access Query into 
> Excel with VBA Code in Excel (ADO)
>
> Take the SQL from query1 in access and use it on the excel side in the 
> ado call
>
> Jim
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Nov 25, 2012, at 3:39 PM, "Brad Marks" <BradM at blackforestltd.com>
> wrote:
>
> > All,
> >
> > I have just started to experiment with pulling Access 2007 data into
> Excel.
> >
> > I have an test Excel file that uses VBA code to pull the data from 
> > the
> Access table.
> > This is working nicely.
> >
> > I would now like to pull data into Excel via the Access query that I
> have set up.
> >
> > I simply changed the SQL Statement in the Excel VBA code like this.
> >
> > strSQL = "SELECT Field1 From Table1;"
> >
> > strSQL = "SELECT Field1 From Query1;"
> >
> > When I now run the Excel VBA code no data is returned.
> >
> > I must be missing something.
> >
> > Does anyone have an example of how to pull data from an Access query
> into Excel via VBA code in Excel?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Brad
> > --
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
> --
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> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
> --
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> MailScanner, and is believed to be clean.
>
>
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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Sun Nov 25 22:48:41 2012
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2012 23:48:41 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] String to Date
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1gCTFKYc8FL2TEJJG=garZLMhbTwwdNMK2Qu3w26Dzv8g@mail.gmail.com>

Given a string of the form "2012/12/26", how can I turn it into a date? I
want to test whether the given date-string falls within the range of a pair
of actual dates. Is there a StrToDate() function or some equivalent? If
need be, it won't take long to write one, but I before I begin I want to
make sure I'm not reinventing something built-in or readily available.

TIA,
Arthur

From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au  Sun Nov 25 22:58:54 2012
From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2012 04:58:54 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] String to Date
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1gCTFKYc8FL2TEJJG=garZLMhbTwwdNMK2Qu3w26Dzv8g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1gCTFKYc8FL2TEJJG=garZLMhbTwwdNMK2Qu3w26Dzv8g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B534358C0E@SIXPRD0410MB384.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>

Ummm... would just formatting the field to "YYYY/MM/DD" work for you? (it should, but I guess it depends how clean your string is).  Once it is a date you can do what you like with it.

Hth a bit
Cheers
Darryl




-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Monday, 26 November 2012 3:49 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] String to Date

Given a string of the form "2012/12/26", how can I turn it into a date? I want to test whether the given date-string falls within the range of a pair of actual dates. Is there a StrToDate() function or some equivalent? If need be, it won't take long to write one, but I before I begin I want to make sure I'm not reinventing something built-in or readily available.

TIA,
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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Sun Nov 25 22:59:15 2012
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2012 23:59:15 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Error Trying to Install MzTools
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1iMmDGkSdFCpPgQnhFhnMYBZpZ0hfm7Hnhh6=Gb8BJh=Q@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks, Jack. I'll check with the local vendors for a price.

Stuart, I have enough RAM to run Oracle VirtualBox but there is another
funny problem. You have to activate the instance of WXP within 30 days of
installing it -- and Microsoft won't let you activate WXP any more. You
just get a friendly suggestion that you upgrade. Not that that is the worst
thing in the world, since the only remaining reason I have left for running
XP is to run Access with MzTools. But still, it's a PITA to have to rebuild
that VM once a month.

-- 
Arthur

From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Sun Nov 25 23:05:23 2012
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2012 15:05:23 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] String to Date
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References: <CAEPJO1gCTFKYc8FL2TEJJG=garZLMhbTwwdNMK2Qu3w26Dzv8g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <50B2F893.32409.22AFACB8@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

CDate("2012/12/26") will do it. It recognises that as a valid date format.

As does Format("2012/12/26","d mmm yyyy")    :-)

-- 
Stuart

On 25 Nov 2012 at 23:48, Arthur Fuller wrote:

> Given a string of the form "2012/12/26", how can I turn it into a date? I
> want to test whether the given date-string falls within the range of a pair
> of actual dates. Is there a StrToDate() function or some equivalent? If
> need be, it won't take long to write one, but I before I begin I want to
> make sure I'm not reinventing something built-in or readily available.
> 
> TIA,
> Arthur
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Sun Nov 25 23:11:10 2012
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2012 15:11:10 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Error Trying to Install MzTools
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1iMmDGkSdFCpPgQnhFhnMYBZpZ0hfm7Hnhh6=Gb8BJh=Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1iMmDGkSdFCpPgQnhFhnMYBZpZ0hfm7Hnhh6=Gb8BJh=Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <50B2F9EE.21431.22B4F961@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

If that's the only reason, why not run a Win 7 32bit instead of XP VM?

-- 
Stuart

On 25 Nov 2012 at 23:59, Arthur Fuller wrote:

> Thanks, Jack. I'll check with the local vendors for a price.
> 
> Stuart, I have enough RAM to run Oracle VirtualBox but there is another
> funny problem. You have to activate the instance of WXP within 30 days of
> installing it -- and Microsoft won't let you activate WXP any more. You
> just get a friendly suggestion that you upgrade. Not that that is the worst
> thing in the world, since the only remaining reason I have left for running
> XP is to run Access with MzTools. But still, it's a PITA to have to rebuild
> that VM once a month.
> 
> -- 
> Arthur
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From vbacreations at gmail.com  Sun Nov 25 23:35:22 2012
From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2012 00:35:22 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] How to Pull Data from an Access Query into Excel with
 VBA Code in Excel (ADO)
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	<CAGuQ9V40-7+g9k2S=7dqg8fJYEFykxSGXA-SGG5uvyMMSbCgjA@mail.gmail.com>
	<E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C50163B32B@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
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Ok that seems like it might be the issue. especially if the query1 ended
with its own semicolon.

Darryl is my go to guy on this issue and if he doesnt use one, I wouldn't
either. It is puzzling that it worked when used with Query2 however. One
thing I have learned is to try not to "assume" based on insufficient
testing or too convenient reasons. So I keep an open mind and l hope in the
future to confirm findings... before reaching full conclusions... but I
never find time to fully research.

...grabled by smrat phonn as ususl
On Nov 25, 2012 10:45 PM, "Brad Marks" <BradM at blackforestltd.com> wrote:

> Bill,
>
> Here are more details...
>
> Provider=Microsoft.ACE.OLEDB.12.0
>
> Dim ADO_Connection As New ADODB.Connection
> Dim ADO_RecordSet As New ADODB.Recordset
>
> I have looked at several examples in two books and none of them have a
> semicolon at the end of the SQL string.  Therefore, my best guess is that
> my use of the semicolon is what caused the strange results that I saw
> earlier.
>
> Thanks for your assistance.
>
> Brad
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com on behalf of William Benson
> Sent: Sun 11/25/2012 8:31 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] How to Pull Data from an Access Query into Excel
> with VBA Code in Excel (ADO)
>
> To my mind there is no good reason for it not to work however I have found
> through ADO the semicolon is not an acceptable character to have at the end
> of a statement when I queried an Oracle table. I don't know why I was
> getting an "Invalid Character"  message but I was. You didnt say if you
> were also trapping an error Mark, you only said that you were not having
> records returned. So tjst is why I did not suggest removing the semicolon.
> I honestly dont know what the correct use of semicolon is but glad now I
> didnt go after the red herring.
>
> You have not specified but I would like to know what is the code you use to
> connect to the database.... ie, driver, datasource, provider. Are you using
> ADO?
>
> In future I think the additional information could help lead to better
> responses, FWIW.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Bill
>
> ...grabled by smrat phonn as ususl
> On Nov 25, 2012 7:19 PM, "Brad Marks" <BradM at blackforestltd.com> wrote:
>
> > Jim,
> >
> > I followed your suggestion and placed Query1's SQL on the Excel side of
> > the fence and it worked nicely.
> >
> > I then built a new query in Access (Query2) which worked as I was
> > originally trying to do with Query1.
> >
> > strSQL = "SELECT Field1 From Query2;"
> >
> >
> > I then re-tested query1 on Access and made some minor changes.
> >
> > To my surprise, Query1 is now working in Excel via
> >
> > strSQL = "SELECT Field1 From Query1;"
> >
> >
> > I am still not sure why I ran into the original problem or why it is now
> > working.
> >
> > I plan to do some more testing.
> >
> > Thanks for you help.
> >
> > Brad
> >
> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com on behalf of Jim Dettman
> > Sent: Sun 11/25/2012 5:31 PM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] How to Pull Data from an Access Query into Excel
> > with VBA Code in Excel (ADO)
> >
> > Take the SQL from query1 in access and use it on the excel side in the
> ado
> > call
> >
> > Jim
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > On Nov 25, 2012, at 3:39 PM, "Brad Marks" <BradM at blackforestltd.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > All,
> > >
> > > I have just started to experiment with pulling Access 2007 data into
> > Excel.
> > >
> > > I have an test Excel file that uses VBA code to pull the data from the
> > Access table.
> > > This is working nicely.
> > >
> > > I would now like to pull data into Excel via the Access query that I
> > have set up.
> > >
> > > I simply changed the SQL Statement in the Excel VBA code like this.
> > >
> > > strSQL = "SELECT Field1 From Table1;"
> > >
> > > strSQL = "SELECT Field1 From Query1;"
> > >
> > > When I now run the Excel VBA code no data is returned.
> > >
> > > I must be missing something.
> > >
> > > Does anyone have an example of how to pull data from an Access query
> > into Excel via VBA code in Excel?
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Brad
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Sun Nov 25 23:45:51 2012
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2012 21:45:51 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] String to Date
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WAG:  would IsDate function do it?

Rocky





-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Monday, 26 November 2012 3:49 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] String to Date

Given a string of the form "2012/12/26", how can I turn it into a date? I
want to test whether the given date-string falls within the range of a pair
of actual dates. Is there a StrToDate() function or some equivalent? If need
be, it won't take long to write one, but I before I begin I want to make
sure I'm not reinventing something built-in or readily available.

TIA,
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Mon Nov 26 00:41:44 2012
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2012 16:41:44 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] String to Date
In-Reply-To: <8B4F5B759C9049919A54441117BAC03D@HAL9007>
References: <CAEPJO1gCTFKYc8FL2TEJJG=garZLMhbTwwdNMK2Qu3w26Dzv8g@mail.gmail.com>,
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	<8B4F5B759C9049919A54441117BAC03D@HAL9007>
Message-ID: <50B30F28.4292.2307E354@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

Nope, that just returns True/False - in this case, True

-- 
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On 25 Nov 2012 at 21:45, Rocky Smolin wrote:

> WAG:  would IsDate function do it?
> 
> Rocky
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
> Sent: Monday, 26 November 2012 3:49 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] String to Date
> 
> Given a string of the form "2012/12/26", how can I turn it into a date? I
> want to test whether the given date-string falls within the range of a pair
> of actual dates. Is there a StrToDate() function or some equivalent? If need
> be, it won't take long to write one, but I before I begin I want to make
> sure I'm not reinventing something built-in or readily available.
> 
> TIA,
> Arthur
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From paul.hartland at googlemail.com  Mon Nov 26 01:52:22 2012
From: paul.hartland at googlemail.com (Paul Hartland)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2012 07:52:22 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] String to Date
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You may of tried this, but couldn't you declare a variable as a date and
then pass the date string into it, then check if the date variable is
between the date range ?

Paul

On 26 November 2012 06:41, Stuart McLachlan <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg> wrote:

> Nope, that just returns True/False - in this case, True
>
> --
> Stuart
>
> On 25 Nov 2012 at 21:45, Rocky Smolin wrote:
>
> > WAG:  would IsDate function do it?
> >
> > Rocky
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
> > Sent: Monday, 26 November 2012 3:49 PM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: [AccessD] String to Date
> >
> > Given a string of the form "2012/12/26", how can I turn it into a date? I
> > want to test whether the given date-string falls within the range of a
> pair
> > of actual dates. Is there a StrToDate() function or some equivalent? If
> need
> > be, it won't take long to write one, but I before I begin I want to make
> > sure I'm not reinventing something built-in or readily available.
> >
> > TIA,
> > Arthur
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Mon Nov 26 03:55:21 2012
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2012 19:55:21 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] String to Date
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References: <CAEPJO1gCTFKYc8FL2TEJJG=garZLMhbTwwdNMK2Qu3w26Dzv8g@mail.gmail.com>,
	<50B30F28.4292.2307E354@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>,
	<CALGJE96WwwOMAy6NJV0oC7BAxFxYx_rKJSe45Wme10ZyeQWs=g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <50B33C89.7916.23B92537@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

Yep, that works too - because of intrinsic conversions:

Function test()
Dim str As String
Dim dt As Date
str = "2012/12/26"
dt = str
MsgBox dt
End Function

-- 
Stuart

On 26 Nov 2012 at 7:52, Paul Hartland wrote:

> You may of tried this, but couldn't you declare a variable as a date and
> then pass the date string into it, then check if the date variable is
> between the date range ?
> 
> Paul
> 
> On 26 November 2012 06:41, Stuart McLachlan <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg> wrote:
> 
> > Nope, that just returns True/False - in this case, True
> >
> > --
> > Stuart
> >
> > On 25 Nov 2012 at 21:45, Rocky Smolin wrote:
> >
> > > WAG:  would IsDate function do it?
> > >
> > > Rocky
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
> > > Sent: Monday, 26 November 2012 3:49 PM
> > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > > Subject: [AccessD] String to Date
> > >
> > > Given a string of the form "2012/12/26", how can I turn it into a date? I
> > > want to test whether the given date-string falls within the range of a
> > pair
> > > of actual dates. Is there a StrToDate() function or some equivalent? If
> > need
> > > be, it won't take long to write one, but I before I begin I want to make
> > > sure I'm not reinventing something built-in or readily available.
> > >
> > > TIA,
> > > Arthur
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Nov 26 05:38:47 2012
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2012 06:38:47 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] [SPAM] Re:  Error trying to install MzTools
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	<95F8E95A-564B-415A-AC0C-E00BBA6128CC@verizon.net>
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It is x64 OFFICE that needs to be avoided.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 11/25/2012 7:46 PM, Arthur Fuller wrote:
> I run 32-bit Office in a 64-bit system. The main reason I chose 64-bit was
> for SQL Server. If I had a 32-bit version of Windows 7 I'd install it, but
> sadly I don't. Maybe I'll buy one (I notice that Win7 is deeply discounted
> lately) and set up a dual boot instead.
>
> I'm beginning to think that I should just get a box for each OS I want to
> run. In the case of the two Linux VMs I run currently, a sufficient box for
> each of them is about $120 lately. Linux is just fine with a mere 2GB of
> RAM.
>
> Speaking of multiple boxes, what are those devices called that enable a
> single monitor and mouse and keyboard to work with multiple machines? You
> just turn a dial to switch from Box 1... Box 4.
>
> A.
>
> A.
>
>
> On Sun, Nov 25, 2012 at 7:28 PM, Jim Dettman <jimdettman at verizon.net> wrote:
>
>> By the way, that won't really help...  You'd have to be running access in
>> the same vm and it would need to 32 bit
>>
>> And for what it's worth, I would still avoid using 64 bit office unless
>> you have a very specific need to use it.
>>
>> Jim
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Nov 25, 2012, at 7:24 PM, Jim Dettman <jimdettman at verizon.net> wrote:
>>
>>> XP mode is a vm image that you can run under win 7
>>>
>>> Jim
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Nov 25, 2012, at 6:48 PM, Arthur Fuller <fuller.artful at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Yes I am running 64-bit, so that explains the problem. Meanwhile I'm not
>>>> even sure what XP Mode means, but will Google it and hope I learn
>>>> something.
>>>>
>>>> It's really a shame to program in Access VBA without the help of
>> MzTools!
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for the tips, guys.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Nov 25, 2012 at 6:32 PM, Brad Marks <BradM at blackforestltd.com
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Arthur,
>>>>>
>>>>> Recently, a friend told me about a purchased application that ran
>> nicely
>>>>> under XP (32 bit)
>>>>> and will no longer run under Win7 (64 bit).
>>>>>
>>>>> I have done some digging on his behalf and started to read about "XP
>>>>> Mode".  It sounds like
>>>>> XP Mode may enable older applications to run under Win7 (64 bit).  I
>>>>> believe that XP Mode is free.
>>>>>
>>>>> You may want to try this approach.
>>>>>
>>>>> Also, I am curious if anyone else has run into older applications that
>>>>> will no longer run with Win-7 (64 bit) and if anyone has experimented
>> with
>>>>> XP Mode.
>>>>>
>>>>> Brad
>>>>>
>>>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com on behalf of Arthur Fuller
>>>>> Sent: Sun 11/25/2012 5:14 PM
>>>>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>>>>> Subject: [AccessD] Error trying to install MzTools
>>>>>
>>>>> I recently attempted to install MzTools on a reconstructed partition
>>>>> (Windows 7 Ultimate 64-bit) and got the following error:
>>>>>
>>>>> Ox80008005
>>>>>
>>>>> along with a suggestion that I Google it, which I did, and got a
>> number of
>>>>> hits, none of which seemed helpful.
>>>>>
>>>>> Has anyone got this error and figured out how to solve it?
>>>>>
>>>>> TIA,
>>>>> Arthur
>>>>> --
>>>>> AccessD mailing list
>>>>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>>>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>>>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> This message has been scanned for viruses and
>>>>> dangerous content by MailScanner, and is
>>>>> believed to be clean.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> AccessD mailing list
>>>>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>>>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>>>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Arthur
>>>> Cell: 647.710.1314
>>>>
>>>> Prediction is difficult, especially of the future.
>>>> -- Niels Bohr
>>>> --
>>>> AccessD mailing list
>>>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>>
>>> --
>>> AccessD mailing list
>>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>
>> --
>> AccessD mailing list
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>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>
>
>
>


From jackandpat.d at gmail.com  Mon Nov 26 06:50:19 2012
From: jackandpat.d at gmail.com (jack drawbridge)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2012 07:50:19 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] String to Date
In-Reply-To: <CALGJE96WwwOMAy6NJV0oC7BAxFxYx_rKJSe45Wme10ZyeQWs=g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1gCTFKYc8FL2TEJJG=garZLMhbTwwdNMK2Qu3w26Dzv8g@mail.gmail.com>
	<56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B534358C0E@SIXPRD0410MB384.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
	<8B4F5B759C9049919A54441117BAC03D@HAL9007>
	<50B30F28.4292.2307E354@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<CALGJE96WwwOMAy6NJV0oC7BAxFxYx_rKJSe45Wme10ZyeQWs=g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAKvidAt8gMKJHHm_1ZbfpA+FxGr9PrsS4Qz8dJDeP=4iadNxLg@mail.gmail.com>

CDate should work.
http://www.techonthenet.com/access/functions/datatype/cdate.php

On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 2:52 AM, Paul Hartland <paul.hartland at googlemail.com
> wrote:

> You may of tried this, but couldn't you declare a variable as a date and
> then pass the date string into it, then check if the date variable is
> between the date range ?
>
> Paul
>
> On 26 November 2012 06:41, Stuart McLachlan <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg>
> wrote:
>
> > Nope, that just returns True/False - in this case, True
> >
> > --
> > Stuart
> >
> > On 25 Nov 2012 at 21:45, Rocky Smolin wrote:
> >
> > > WAG:  would IsDate function do it?
> > >
> > > Rocky
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur
> Fuller
> > > Sent: Monday, 26 November 2012 3:49 PM
> > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > > Subject: [AccessD] String to Date
> > >
> > > Given a string of the form "2012/12/26", how can I turn it into a
> date? I
> > > want to test whether the given date-string falls within the range of a
> > pair
> > > of actual dates. Is there a StrToDate() function or some equivalent? If
> > need
> > > be, it won't take long to write one, but I before I begin I want to
> make
> > > sure I'm not reinventing something built-in or readily available.
> > >
> > > TIA,
> > > Arthur
> > > --
> > > AccessD mailing list
> > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > AccessD mailing list
> > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > >
> > > --
> > > AccessD mailing list
> > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > >
> >
> >
> > --
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Paul Hartland
> paul.hartland at googlemail.com
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>

From marksimms at verizon.net  Mon Nov 26 06:55:14 2012
From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2012 07:55:14 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] How to Pull Data from an Access Query into Excel with
 VBA	Code in Excel (ADO)
In-Reply-To: <E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C50163B326@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
References: <93D10F008B998B4A83BCA855A33EEF372C893657@CINMBCNA01.e2k.ad.ge.com>
	<93D10F008B998B4A83BCA855A33EEF372C893676@CINMBCNA01.e2k.ad.ge.com>
	<E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C50163B326@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
Message-ID: <000001cdcbd5$47b306c0$d7191440$@net>

While we are on this subject, aren't DAO queries much faster at this ?



From marksimms at verizon.net  Mon Nov 26 06:56:52 2012
From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2012 07:56:52 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Error trying to install MzTools
In-Reply-To: <50B2BBB3.13167.21C1E32E@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <CAEPJO1gZUdfwymG55Sb8d6KNUua9jzqZhb4b_ypFXnmyABHZDw@mail.gmail.com>,
	<44A410BC-9ABE-49F3-A89E-CE6F5BB6DD98@verizon.net>,
	<95F8E95A-564B-415A-AC0C-E00BBA6128CC@verizon.net>
	<50B2BBB3.13167.21C1E32E@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <000101cdcbd5$82478450$86d68cf0$@net>

I don't believe there's any speed advantage to 64 bit office, is there ?



From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Mon Nov 26 07:07:47 2012
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2012 08:07:47 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Error Trying to Install MzTools
In-Reply-To: <50B2F9EE.21431.22B4F961@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <CAEPJO1iMmDGkSdFCpPgQnhFhnMYBZpZ0hfm7Hnhh6=Gb8BJh=Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<50B2F9EE.21431.22B4F961@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1j6-3LaD5qr+FsMRb7E+h8JgOBVonwWJrors4sGuXQCiw@mail.gmail.com>

If I had one, I surely would, but the Win7 disc I got contains only the
64-bit version. Sigh.

A.



On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 12:11 AM, Stuart McLachlan
<stuart at lexacorp.com.pg>wrote:

> If that's the only reason, why not run a Win 7 32bit instead of XP VM?
>
> --
> Stuart
>
> On 25 Nov 2012 at 23:59, Arthur Fuller wrote:
>
> > Thanks, Jack. I'll check with the local vendors for a price.
> >
> > Stuart, I have enough RAM to run Oracle VirtualBox but there is another
> > funny problem. You have to activate the instance of WXP within 30 days of
> > installing it -- and Microsoft won't let you activate WXP any more. You
> > just get a friendly suggestion that you upgrade. Not that that is the
> worst
> > thing in the world, since the only remaining reason I have left for
> running
> > XP is to run Access with MzTools. But still, it's a PITA to have to
> rebuild
> > that VM once a month.
> >
> > --
> > Arthur
> > --
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
>
>
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>



-- 
Arthur
Cell: 647.710.1314

Prediction is difficult, especially of the future.
  -- Niels Bohr

From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Mon Nov 26 07:09:59 2012
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2012 08:09:59 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] String to Date
In-Reply-To: <CAKvidAt8gMKJHHm_1ZbfpA+FxGr9PrsS4Qz8dJDeP=4iadNxLg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1gCTFKYc8FL2TEJJG=garZLMhbTwwdNMK2Qu3w26Dzv8g@mail.gmail.com>
	<56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B534358C0E@SIXPRD0410MB384.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
	<8B4F5B759C9049919A54441117BAC03D@HAL9007>
	<50B30F28.4292.2307E354@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<CALGJE96WwwOMAy6NJV0oC7BAxFxYx_rKJSe45Wme10ZyeQWs=g@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAKvidAt8gMKJHHm_1ZbfpA+FxGr9PrsS4Qz8dJDeP=4iadNxLg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1i_nUYtEwURqKWCnAxcRgXoj2iDfY_W=i2bm5E-vHPWVg@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks, all. I had a sneaking suspicion that there was something like
CDate(). Just the little sucker I was fishing for!

A.


On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 7:50 AM, jack drawbridge <jackandpat.d at gmail.com>wrote:

> CDate should work.
> http://www.techonthenet.com/access/functions/datatype/cdate.php
>
> On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 2:52 AM, Paul Hartland <
> paul.hartland at googlemail.com
> > wrote:
>
> > You may of tried this, but couldn't you declare a variable as a date and
> > then pass the date string into it, then check if the date variable is
> > between the date range ?
> >
> > Paul
> >
> > On 26 November 2012 06:41, Stuart McLachlan <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Nope, that just returns True/False - in this case, True
> > >
> > > --
> > > Stuart
> > >
> > > On 25 Nov 2012 at 21:45, Rocky Smolin wrote:
> > >
> > > > WAG:  would IsDate function do it?
> > > >
> > > > Rocky
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur
> > Fuller
> > > > Sent: Monday, 26 November 2012 3:49 PM
> > > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > > > Subject: [AccessD] String to Date
> > > >
> > > > Given a string of the form "2012/12/26", how can I turn it into a
> > date? I
> > > > want to test whether the given date-string falls within the range of
> a
> > > pair
> > > > of actual dates. Is there a StrToDate() function or some equivalent?
> If
> > > need
> > > > be, it won't take long to write one, but I before I begin I want to
> > make
> > > > sure I'm not reinventing something built-in or readily available.
> > > >
> > > > TIA,
> > > > Arthur
> > > > --
> > > > AccessD mailing list
> > > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > AccessD mailing list
> > > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > AccessD mailing list
> > > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > AccessD mailing list
> > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Paul Hartland
> > paul.hartland at googlemail.com
> > --
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>



-- 
Arthur
Cell: 647.710.1314

Prediction is difficult, especially of the future.
  -- Niels Bohr

From jimdettman at verizon.net  Mon Nov 26 07:24:53 2012
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2012 08:24:53 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Error trying to install MzTools
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1jsStpiLHbFVkxW6OXtFe=FAS-noB2y_R6EQitaM3GChw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1gZUdfwymG55Sb8d6KNUua9jzqZhb4b_ypFXnmyABHZDw@mail.gmail.com>
	<E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C50163B328@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
	<CAEPJO1hVv-3QxVM15+Xjyevh+CgfNwA=50G+x_8oK_+vuU22Lg@mail.gmail.com>
	<44A410BC-9ABE-49F3-A89E-CE6F5BB6DD98@verizon.net>
	<95F8E95A-564B-415A-AC0C-E00BBA6128CC@verizon.net>
	<CAEPJO1jsStpiLHbFVkxW6OXtFe=FAS-noB2y_R6EQitaM3GChw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <0DE480DEB4C8405881F653625C1D424C@XPS>

Arthur,

  You should be having no problems running MZ Tools then.  It works fine
with 32 bit Office under a 64 bit OS.

 Make sure your using:

C:\Windows\sysWOW64\regsvr32.exe 

 To register the DLL for 32 bit.

Jim. 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2012 07:46 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Error trying to install MzTools

I run 32-bit Office in a 64-bit system. The main reason I chose 64-bit was
for SQL Server. If I had a 32-bit version of Windows 7 I'd install it, but
sadly I don't. Maybe I'll buy one (I notice that Win7 is deeply discounted
lately) and set up a dual boot instead.

I'm beginning to think that I should just get a box for each OS I want to
run. In the case of the two Linux VMs I run currently, a sufficient box for
each of them is about $120 lately. Linux is just fine with a mere 2GB of
RAM.

Speaking of multiple boxes, what are those devices called that enable a
single monitor and mouse and keyboard to work with multiple machines? You
just turn a dial to switch from Box 1... Box 4.

A.

A.


On Sun, Nov 25, 2012 at 7:28 PM, Jim Dettman <jimdettman at verizon.net> wrote:

> By the way, that won't really help...  You'd have to be running access in
> the same vm and it would need to 32 bit
>
> And for what it's worth, I would still avoid using 64 bit office unless
> you have a very specific need to use it.
>
> Jim
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Nov 25, 2012, at 7:24 PM, Jim Dettman <jimdettman at verizon.net> wrote:
>
> > XP mode is a vm image that you can run under win 7
> >
> > Jim
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > On Nov 25, 2012, at 6:48 PM, Arthur Fuller <fuller.artful at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >> Yes I am running 64-bit, so that explains the problem. Meanwhile I'm
not
> >> even sure what XP Mode means, but will Google it and hope I learn
> >> something.
> >>
> >> It's really a shame to program in Access VBA without the help of
> MzTools!
> >>
> >> Thanks for the tips, guys.
> >>
> >>
> >> On Sun, Nov 25, 2012 at 6:32 PM, Brad Marks <BradM at blackforestltd.com
> >wrote:
> >>
> >>> Arthur,
> >>>
> >>> Recently, a friend told me about a purchased application that ran
> nicely
> >>> under XP (32 bit)
> >>> and will no longer run under Win7 (64 bit).
> >>>
> >>> I have done some digging on his behalf and started to read about "XP
> >>> Mode".  It sounds like
> >>> XP Mode may enable older applications to run under Win7 (64 bit).  I
> >>> believe that XP Mode is free.
> >>>
> >>> You may want to try this approach.
> >>>
> >>> Also, I am curious if anyone else has run into older applications that
> >>> will no longer run with Win-7 (64 bit) and if anyone has experimented
> with
> >>> XP Mode.
> >>>
> >>> Brad
> >>>
> >>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> >>>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com on behalf of Arthur Fuller
> >>> Sent: Sun 11/25/2012 5:14 PM
> >>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> >>> Subject: [AccessD] Error trying to install MzTools
> >>>
> >>> I recently attempted to install MzTools on a reconstructed partition
> >>> (Windows 7 Ultimate 64-bit) and got the following error:
> >>>
> >>> Ox80008005
> >>>
> >>> along with a suggestion that I Google it, which I did, and got a
> number of
> >>> hits, none of which seemed helpful.
> >>>
> >>> Has anyone got this error and figured out how to solve it?
> >>>
> >>> TIA,
> >>> Arthur
> >>> --
> >>> AccessD mailing list
> >>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> >>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> >>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> This message has been scanned for viruses and
> >>> dangerous content by MailScanner, and is
> >>> believed to be clean.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> AccessD mailing list
> >>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> >>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> >>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Arthur
> >> Cell: 647.710.1314
> >>
> >> Prediction is difficult, especially of the future.
> >> -- Niels Bohr
> >> --
> >> AccessD mailing list
> >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> > --
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
> --
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>



-- 
Arthur
Cell: 647.710.1314

Prediction is difficult, especially of the future.
  -- Niels Bohr
-- 
AccessD mailing list
AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Mon Nov 26 07:25:01 2012
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2012 14:25:01 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] String to Date
Message-ID: <007901cdcbd9$7043dd90$50cb98b0$@cactus.dk>

Hi Arthur

Or the natural choice, DateValue it is. Forgotten by everyone, so it seems.
(The episodes I-III, reviewed recently I did).

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Arthur Fuller
Sendt: 26. november 2012 14:10
Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Emne: Re: [AccessD] String to Date

Thanks, all. I had a sneaking suspicion that there was something like
CDate(). Just the little sucker I was fishing for!

A. 



From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Nov 26 08:58:09 2012
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2012 09:58:09 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] [SPAM] Re:  Error Trying to Install MzTools
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1j6-3LaD5qr+FsMRb7E+h8JgOBVonwWJrors4sGuXQCiw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1iMmDGkSdFCpPgQnhFhnMYBZpZ0hfm7Hnhh6=Gb8BJh=Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<50B2F9EE.21431.22B4F961@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<CAEPJO1j6-3LaD5qr+FsMRb7E+h8JgOBVonwWJrors4sGuXQCiw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <50B38381.2000904@colbyconsulting.com>

I run only Windows 7 X64 and there is no problem there.  MZ Tools runs just fine, but I only use the 
x32 *OFFICE*.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 11/26/2012 8:07 AM, Arthur Fuller wrote:
> If I had one, I surely would, but the Win7 disc I got contains only the
> 64-bit version. Sigh.
>
> A.
>
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 12:11 AM, Stuart McLachlan
> <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg>wrote:
>
>> If that's the only reason, why not run a Win 7 32bit instead of XP VM?
>>
>> --
>> Stuart


From dbdoug at gmail.com  Mon Nov 26 10:42:06 2012
From: dbdoug at gmail.com (Doug Steele)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2012 08:42:06 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Error trying to install MzTools
In-Reply-To: <0DE480DEB4C8405881F653625C1D424C@XPS>
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Hi Arthur:

I have never had problems installing MZ Tools in my environment, which is
the same as yours.  Have you contacted the author?  I emailed him once and
got a reply almost immediately.

Doug


On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 5:24 AM, Jim Dettman <jimdettman at verizon.net> wrote:

> Arthur,
>
>   You should be having no problems running MZ Tools then.  It works fine
> with 32 bit Office under a 64 bit OS.
>
>  Make sure your using:
>
> C:\Windows\sysWOW64\regsvr32.exe
>
>  To register the DLL for 32 bit.
>
> Jim.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
> Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2012 07:46 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Error trying to install MzTools
>
> I run 32-bit Office in a 64-bit system. The main reason I chose 64-bit was
> for SQL Server. If I had a 32-bit version of Windows 7 I'd install it, but
> sadly I don't. Maybe I'll buy one (I notice that Win7 is deeply discounted
> lately) and set up a dual boot instead.
>
> I'm beginning to think that I should just get a box for each OS I want to
> run. In the case of the two Linux VMs I run currently, a sufficient box for
> each of them is about $120 lately. Linux is just fine with a mere 2GB of
> RAM.
>
> Speaking of multiple boxes, what are those devices called that enable a
> single monitor and mouse and keyboard to work with multiple machines? You
> just turn a dial to switch from Box 1... Box 4.
>
> A.
>
> A.
>
>
> On Sun, Nov 25, 2012 at 7:28 PM, Jim Dettman <jimdettman at verizon.net>
> wrote:
>
> > By the way, that won't really help...  You'd have to be running access in
> > the same vm and it would need to 32 bit
> >
> > And for what it's worth, I would still avoid using 64 bit office unless
> > you have a very specific need to use it.
> >
> > Jim
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > On Nov 25, 2012, at 7:24 PM, Jim Dettman <jimdettman at verizon.net> wrote:
> >
> > > XP mode is a vm image that you can run under win 7
> > >
> > > Jim
> > >
> > > Sent from my iPhone
> > >
> > > On Nov 25, 2012, at 6:48 PM, Arthur Fuller <fuller.artful at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > >> Yes I am running 64-bit, so that explains the problem. Meanwhile I'm
> not
> > >> even sure what XP Mode means, but will Google it and hope I learn
> > >> something.
> > >>
> > >> It's really a shame to program in Access VBA without the help of
> > MzTools!
> > >>
> > >> Thanks for the tips, guys.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> On Sun, Nov 25, 2012 at 6:32 PM, Brad Marks <BradM at blackforestltd.com
> > >wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> Arthur,
> > >>>
> > >>> Recently, a friend told me about a purchased application that ran
> > nicely
> > >>> under XP (32 bit)
> > >>> and will no longer run under Win7 (64 bit).
> > >>>
> > >>> I have done some digging on his behalf and started to read about "XP
> > >>> Mode".  It sounds like
> > >>> XP Mode may enable older applications to run under Win7 (64 bit).  I
> > >>> believe that XP Mode is free.
> > >>>
> > >>> You may want to try this approach.
> > >>>
> > >>> Also, I am curious if anyone else has run into older applications
> that
> > >>> will no longer run with Win-7 (64 bit) and if anyone has experimented
> > with
> > >>> XP Mode.
> > >>>
> > >>> Brad
> > >>>
> > >>>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > >>>
> > >>> -----Original Message-----
> > >>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com on behalf of Arthur
> Fuller
> > >>> Sent: Sun 11/25/2012 5:14 PM
> > >>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > >>> Subject: [AccessD] Error trying to install MzTools
> > >>>
> > >>> I recently attempted to install MzTools on a reconstructed partition
> > >>> (Windows 7 Ultimate 64-bit) and got the following error:
> > >>>
> > >>> Ox80008005
> > >>>
> > >>> along with a suggestion that I Google it, which I did, and got a
> > number of
> > >>> hits, none of which seemed helpful.
> > >>>
> > >>> Has anyone got this error and figured out how to solve it?
> > >>>
> > >>> TIA,
> > >>> Arthur
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> > >>>
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> > >>
> > >>
> > >> --
> > >> Arthur
> > >> Cell: 647.710.1314
> > >>
> > >> Prediction is difficult, especially of the future.
> > >> -- Niels Bohr
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>
> Prediction is difficult, especially of the future.
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From TSeptav at Uniserve.com  Mon Nov 26 11:51:13 2012
From: TSeptav at Uniserve.com (Tony Septav)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2012 11:51:13 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Decompile
Message-ID: <201211261751.qAQHpFOR024710@databaseadvisors.com>

Hey All

I still struggle with Windows 7. I am trying to decompile an MDB. I type in
on the RUN prompt

"C:\Program Files(X86)\Microsoft Office\Office11\MSACCESS.EXE" /decompile

And I get a message

C:\Program Files(X86) )\Microsoft Office\Office11\ refers to a location that
is unavailable...........................

When I do a search for MSACCESS.EXE the path indicated is C:\Program
Files(X86) )\Microsoft Office\Office11\

Do I need some special administration rights to carry out this activity?

 

Thanks

Tony Septav

Nanaimo, BC

Canada

 

 


From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Mon Nov 26 12:08:24 2012
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2012 10:08:24 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Decompile
In-Reply-To: <201211261751.qAQHpFOR024710@databaseadvisors.com>
References: <201211261751.qAQHpFOR024710@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <3026C7D3773B4DEBACDB95033CD09A97@HAL9007>

It looks like you left out the path and file name of the mdb you're trying
to decompile.

My command line looks like: "C:\Program Files (x86)\Microsoft
Office\OFFICE11\MSACCESS.EXE" C:\Clients\ZKEY-x.mdb /decompile

Rocky


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tony Septav
Sent: Monday, November 26, 2012 9:51 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Decompile

Hey All

I still struggle with Windows 7. I am trying to decompile an MDB. I type in
on the RUN prompt

"C:\Program Files(X86)\Microsoft Office\Office11\MSACCESS.EXE" /decompile

And I get a message

C:\Program Files(X86) )\Microsoft Office\Office11\ refers to a location that
is unavailable...........................

When I do a search for MSACCESS.EXE the path indicated is C:\Program
Files(X86) )\Microsoft Office\Office11\

Do I need some special administration rights to carry out this activity?

 

Thanks

Tony Septav

Nanaimo, BC

Canada

 

 

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From davidmcafee at gmail.com  Mon Nov 26 12:08:29 2012
From: davidmcafee at gmail.com (David McAfee)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2012 10:08:29 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Decompile
In-Reply-To: <201211261751.qAQHpFOR024710@databaseadvisors.com>
References: <201211261751.qAQHpFOR024710@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <CAMhYZWZiUkJ88qds8CP1WxLQFpjXACG2P++UgcE7iZjoOcgf2Q@mail.gmail.com>

I think you have a space in the wrong place.

I copied and pasted your command line text into my command line and got the
same error.

I then browsed mine and then copied & pasted the folder location:

Notice the space around (x86) ?

C:\Program Files (x86)\Microsoft Office\OFFICE11 <-mine
C:\Program Files(X86) )\Microsoft Office\Office11\  <-Yours

It might just be a coincidence.

Try pressing the WIndows Key + R to open the run command prompt.
Paste a section at a time, until you get an error that it doesnt exist:

C:\
C:\Program Files (x86)\
C:\Program Files (x86)\Microsoft Office\
C:\Program Files (x86)\Microsoft Office\OFFICE11\


On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 9:51 AM, Tony Septav <TSeptav at uniserve.com> wrote:

> C:\Program Files(X86) )\Microsoft Office\Office11\

From TSeptav at Uniserve.com  Mon Nov 26 12:11:40 2012
From: TSeptav at Uniserve.com (Tony Septav)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2012 12:11:40 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Decompile Oooops
Message-ID: <201211261811.qAQIBfQu019891@databaseadvisors.com>

Hey All

Hey All

Not

C:\Program Files(X86) )\Microsoft Office\Office11\

But

C:\Program Files(X86)\Microsoft Office\Office11\

 

Tony Septav

Nanaimo, BC 

Canada


From TSeptav at Uniserve.com  Mon Nov 26 12:22:09 2012
From: TSeptav at Uniserve.com (Tony Septav)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2012 12:22:09 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Decompile
In-Reply-To: <3026C7D3773B4DEBACDB95033CD09A97@HAL9007>
Message-ID: <201211261822.qAQIMB08000435@databaseadvisors.com>

Hey Rocky and David
Thanks kindly
It was the space between Program Files and (x86).
Everything now works fine. Guess it is time to get new glasses.

Tony Septav
Nanaimo, BC
Canada


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: November-26-12 12:08 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Decompile

It looks like you left out the path and file name of the mdb you're trying
to decompile.

My command line looks like: "C:\Program Files (x86)\Microsoft
Office\OFFICE11\MSACCESS.EXE" C:\Clients\ZKEY-x.mdb /decompile

Rocky


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tony Septav
Sent: Monday, November 26, 2012 9:51 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Decompile

Hey All

I still struggle with Windows 7. I am trying to decompile an MDB. I type in
on the RUN prompt

"C:\Program Files(X86)\Microsoft Office\Office11\MSACCESS.EXE" /decompile

And I get a message

C:\Program Files(X86) )\Microsoft Office\Office11\ refers to a location that
is unavailable...........................

When I do a search for MSACCESS.EXE the path indicated is C:\Program
Files(X86) )\Microsoft Office\Office11\

Do I need some special administration rights to carry out this activity?

 

Thanks

Tony Septav

Nanaimo, BC

Canada

 

 

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From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au  Mon Nov 26 16:37:54 2012
From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2012 22:37:54 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Error trying to install MzTools
In-Reply-To: <000101cdcbd5$82478450$86d68cf0$@net>
References: <CAEPJO1gZUdfwymG55Sb8d6KNUua9jzqZhb4b_ypFXnmyABHZDw@mail.gmail.com>,
	<44A410BC-9ABE-49F3-A89E-CE6F5BB6DD98@verizon.net>,
	<95F8E95A-564B-415A-AC0C-E00BBA6128CC@verizon.net>
	<50B2BBB3.13167.21C1E32E@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<000101cdcbd5$82478450$86d68cf0$@net>
Message-ID: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B534360119@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>

Some guys in our office ran some tests about a year ago, probably very unscientific but suited to the sort of data processing we do, and found no performance improvement.  In theory you would think it would be much better, but for our data on our PC's it didn't seem to make bugger all difference.  We stuck with 64 bit OS with 32 bit Office.

Cheers
Darryl

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Simms
Sent: Monday, 26 November 2012 11:57 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Error trying to install MzTools

I don't believe there's any speed advantage to 64 bit office, is there ?


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From accessd at shaw.ca  Mon Nov 26 22:02:57 2012
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2012 20:02:57 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Need for an Access programmer
In-Reply-To: <3026C7D3773B4DEBACDB95033CD09A97@HAL9007>
References: <201211261751.qAQHpFOR024710@databaseadvisors.com>
	<3026C7D3773B4DEBACDB95033CD09A97@HAL9007>
Message-ID: <7D6E532028614C6BBD2C2179695E09DC@creativesystemdesigns.com>

A company in Durham, North Carolina needs an Access programmer. The rate of
pay stated is $40.00 per hour.

http://information-technology.thingamajob.com/jobs/North-Carolina/Access-Dev
eloper/2705079

Jim


From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Mon Nov 26 22:10:42 2012
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2012 23:10:42 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Closure on the String to Date topic
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1i+RPpAQwj3g+PQSquqG3a4vh8cKk4T-zftOyuPfpw1+A@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks to your suggestions, I got where I needed to go. In the course of
which I dug up and also created a few new functions, presented below. They
are a long way from rocket science, but someone might find them useful.
Also included are a couple of test procs, one to exercise all the variants
on DateAdd() and the other to exercise the new functions I've included.

<vba>
'---------------------------------------------------------------
Public Sub TestDateAdd()
    Dim dt As Date
    dt = Now()
    Debug.Print "Initial Date: " & dt
    Debug.Print "Adding 1 year       : ", DateAdd("yyyy", 1, dt)
    Debug.Print "Subtracting 1 year  : ", DateAdd("y", -1, dt)

    Debug.Print "Adding 1 month      : ", DateAdd("m", 1, dt)
    Debug.Print "Subtracting 1 month : ", DateAdd("m", -1, dt)

    Debug.Print "Adding 1 week       : ", DateAdd("ww", 1, dt)
    Debug.Print "Subtracting 1 week  : ", DateAdd("ww", -1, dt)

    Debug.Print "Adding 1 day        : ", DateAdd("d", 1, dt)
    Debug.Print "Subtracting 1 day   : ", DateAdd("d", -1, dt)

    Debug.Print "Adding 1 hour       : ", DateAdd("h", 1, dt)
    Debug.Print "Subtracting 1 hour  : ", DateAdd("h", -1, dt)

    Debug.Print "Adding 1 minute     : ", DateAdd("n", 1, dt)
    Debug.Print "Subtracting 1 minute: ", DateAdd("n", -1, dt)

    Debug.Print "Adding 1 second     : ", DateAdd("s", 1, dt)
    Debug.Print "Subtracting 1 second: ", DateAdd("s", -1, dt)

End Sub

'---------------------------------------------------------------
Public Sub TestNewDateFuncs()
    Dim dt As Date
    dt = Now()
    Debug.Print "Initial Date: " & dt
    Debug.Print "Beg of Year : ", BoY(dt)
    Debug.Print "End of Year : ", EoY(dt)

    Debug.Print "Beg of Month: ", BoM(dt)
    Debug.Print "End of Month: ", EoM(dt)

    Debug.Print "Beg of Week (Default) : ", BoW(dt)
    Debug.Print "End of Week (Default) : ", EoW(dt)

    Debug.Print "Beg of Week (Business): ", BoW(dt, True)
    Debug.Print "End of Week (Business): ", EoW(dt, True)

End Sub
</vba>

In a new module called DateFunctions...

<vba>
'---------------------------------------------------------------
' Name      : Date Functions
' Author    : Arthur Fuller
' Purpose   : A collection of date-handling functions
' Notes:
'
'---------------------------------------------------------------
Option Compare Database
Option Explicit

'---------------------------------------------------------------
' Name: BoM()
' Purpose: Returns the beginning of month for specified date
' Notes:
'---------------------------------------------------------------
Public Function BoM(dt As Date) As Date
    BoM = dt - Day(dt) + 1
End Function

'---------------------------------------------------------------
' Name: EoM()
' Purpose: Returns the end of month for specified date
' Notes:
'---------------------------------------------------------------
Public Function EoM(dt As Date) As Date
    EoM = DateAdd("m", 1, BoM(dt)) - 1
End Function

'---------------------------------------------------------------
' Name: BoY()
' Purpose: Returns the first date of the year for specified date
'---------------------------------------------------------------
Public Function BoY(dt As Date) As Date
    Dim iMonths As Integer
    iMonths = -(Month(dt) - 1)
    Debug.Print BoM(DateAdd("m", iMonths, Date)) 'DateAdd("m", 1, BoM(dt))
- 1
    BoY = BoM(DateAdd("m", iMonths, Date)) 'DateAdd("m", 1, BoM(dt)) - 1
'    BoY = BoM(DateAdd("m", -(Month(dt) - 1), Date)) 'DateAdd("m", 1,
BoM(dt)) - 1
End Function

'---------------------------------------------------------------
' Name: EoY()
' Purpose: Returns the last date of the year for specified date
'---------------------------------------------------------------
Public Function EoY(dt As Date) As Date
    Dim iMonths As Integer
    iMonths = 12 - Month(dt)
    Dim dtTemp As Date
    dtTemp = DateAdd("m", iMonths, dt)
    EoY = EoM(DateAdd("m", 12 - Month(dt), Date)) 'DateAdd("m", 1, BoM(dt))
- 1
End Function

'---------------------------------------------------------------
' Name: BoW()
' Purpose: Returns the first date of the week for specified date
' Notes:
'   Some think the week begins on Sunday, others Monday
'   The default is Sunday; the optional parameter overtides this
'---------------------------------------------------------------
Public Function BoW(dt As Date, Optional bolOver As Boolean) As Date
    Dim dtTemp As Date
    Dim iDays As Integer
    iDays = -(Weekday(dt) - 1)
    dtTemp = DateAdd("d", iDays, Date)
    If bolOver = True Then dtTemp = dtTemp + 1
    BoW = dtTemp
End Function

'---------------------------------------------------------------
' Name: EoW()
' Purpose: Returns the last date of the week for specified date
' Notes:
'   Some think the week begins on Sunday, others Monday
'   The default is Sunday; the optional parameter overtides this
'---------------------------------------------------------------
Public Function EoW(dt As Date, Optional bolOver As Boolean) As Date
    Dim dtTemp As Date
    dtTemp = DateAdd("d", 7 - Weekday(dt), dt)
    If bolOver = True Then dtTemp = dtTemp + 1
    EoW = dtTemp
End Function

</vba>

-- 
Arthur
Cell: 647.710.1314

Prediction is difficult, especially of the future.
  -- Niels Bohr

From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Mon Nov 26 22:27:56 2012
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2012 14:27:56 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Closure on the String to Date topic
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1i+RPpAQwj3g+PQSquqG3a4vh8cKk4T-zftOyuPfpw1+A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1i+RPpAQwj3g+PQSquqG3a4vh8cKk4T-zftOyuPfpw1+A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <50B4414C.6971.27B3C090@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

Alternative (simpler?)  functions:

Public Function BoM(dt As Date) As Date
    BoM = DateSerial(year(dt),month(dt),1)
End Function

Public Function BoY(dt As Date) As Date
     BoY = DateSerial(year(dt),1,1)
 End Function

Public Function EoY(dt As Date) As Date
     EoY = Dateserial(year(dt),12,31)
End Function

Public Function EoM(dt as date)
  EOM =  DateSerial(year(dt),month(dt) +1,1) -1
End Function 



On 26 Nov 2012 at 23:10, Arthur Fuller wrote:

> Thanks to your suggestions, I got where I needed to go. In the course of
> which I dug up and also created a few new functions, presented below. They
> are a long way from rocket science, but someone might find them useful.
> Also included are a couple of test procs, one to exercise all the variants
> on DateAdd() and the other to exercise the new functions I've included.
> 
> <vba>
> '---------------------------------------------------------------
> Public Sub TestDateAdd()
>     Dim dt As Date
>     dt = Now()
>     Debug.Print "Initial Date: " & dt
>     Debug.Print "Adding 1 year       : ", DateAdd("yyyy", 1, dt)
>     Debug.Print "Subtracting 1 year  : ", DateAdd("y", -1, dt)
> 
>     Debug.Print "Adding 1 month      : ", DateAdd("m", 1, dt)
>     Debug.Print "Subtracting 1 month : ", DateAdd("m", -1, dt)
> 
>     Debug.Print "Adding 1 week       : ", DateAdd("ww", 1, dt)
>     Debug.Print "Subtracting 1 week  : ", DateAdd("ww", -1, dt)
> 
>     Debug.Print "Adding 1 day        : ", DateAdd("d", 1, dt)
>     Debug.Print "Subtracting 1 day   : ", DateAdd("d", -1, dt)
> 
>     Debug.Print "Adding 1 hour       : ", DateAdd("h", 1, dt)
>     Debug.Print "Subtracting 1 hour  : ", DateAdd("h", -1, dt)
> 
>     Debug.Print "Adding 1 minute     : ", DateAdd("n", 1, dt)
>     Debug.Print "Subtracting 1 minute: ", DateAdd("n", -1, dt)
> 
>     Debug.Print "Adding 1 second     : ", DateAdd("s", 1, dt)
>     Debug.Print "Subtracting 1 second: ", DateAdd("s", -1, dt)
> 
> End Sub
> 
> '---------------------------------------------------------------
> Public Sub TestNewDateFuncs()
>     Dim dt As Date
>     dt = Now()
>     Debug.Print "Initial Date: " & dt
>     Debug.Print "Beg of Year : ", BoY(dt)
>     Debug.Print "End of Year : ", EoY(dt)
> 
>     Debug.Print "Beg of Month: ", BoM(dt)
>     Debug.Print "End of Month: ", EoM(dt)
> 
>     Debug.Print "Beg of Week (Default) : ", BoW(dt)
>     Debug.Print "End of Week (Default) : ", EoW(dt)
> 
>     Debug.Print "Beg of Week (Business): ", BoW(dt, True)
>     Debug.Print "End of Week (Business): ", EoW(dt, True)
> 
> End Sub
> </vba>
> 
> In a new module called DateFunctions...
> 
> <vba>
> '---------------------------------------------------------------
> ' Name      : Date Functions
> ' Author    : Arthur Fuller
> ' Purpose   : A collection of date-handling functions
> ' Notes:
> '
> '---------------------------------------------------------------
> Option Compare Database
> Option Explicit
> 
> '---------------------------------------------------------------
> ' Name: BoM()
> ' Purpose: Returns the beginning of month for specified date
> ' Notes:
> '---------------------------------------------------------------
> Public Function BoM(dt As Date) As Date
>     BoM = dt - Day(dt) + 1
> End Function
> 
> '---------------------------------------------------------------
> ' Name: EoM()
> ' Purpose: Returns the end of month for specified date
> ' Notes:
> '---------------------------------------------------------------
> Public Function EoM(dt As Date) As Date
>     EoM = DateAdd("m", 1, BoM(dt)) - 1
> End Function
> 
> '---------------------------------------------------------------
> ' Name: BoY()
> ' Purpose: Returns the first date of the year for specified date
> '---------------------------------------------------------------
> Public Function BoY(dt As Date) As Date
>     Dim iMonths As Integer
>     iMonths = -(Month(dt) - 1)
>     Debug.Print BoM(DateAdd("m", iMonths, Date)) 'DateAdd("m", 1, BoM(dt))
> - 1
>     BoY = BoM(DateAdd("m", iMonths, Date)) 'DateAdd("m", 1, BoM(dt)) - 1
> '    BoY = BoM(DateAdd("m", -(Month(dt) - 1), Date)) 'DateAdd("m", 1,
> BoM(dt)) - 1
> End Function
> 
> '---------------------------------------------------------------
> ' Name: EoY()
> ' Purpose: Returns the last date of the year for specified date
> '---------------------------------------------------------------
> Public Function EoY(dt As Date) As Date
>     Dim iMonths As Integer
>     iMonths = 12 - Month(dt)
>     Dim dtTemp As Date
>     dtTemp = DateAdd("m", iMonths, dt)
>     EoY = EoM(DateAdd("m", 12 - Month(dt), Date)) 'DateAdd("m", 1, BoM(dt))
> - 1
> End Function
> 
> '---------------------------------------------------------------
> ' Name: BoW()
> ' Purpose: Returns the first date of the week for specified date
> ' Notes:
> '   Some think the week begins on Sunday, others Monday
> '   The default is Sunday; the optional parameter overtides this
> '---------------------------------------------------------------
> Public Function BoW(dt As Date, Optional bolOver As Boolean) As Date
>     Dim dtTemp As Date
>     Dim iDays As Integer
>     iDays = -(Weekday(dt) - 1)
>     dtTemp = DateAdd("d", iDays, Date)
>     If bolOver = True Then dtTemp = dtTemp + 1
>     BoW = dtTemp
> End Function
> 
> '---------------------------------------------------------------
> ' Name: EoW()
> ' Purpose: Returns the last date of the week for specified date
> ' Notes:
> '   Some think the week begins on Sunday, others Monday
> '   The default is Sunday; the optional parameter overtides this
> '---------------------------------------------------------------
> Public Function EoW(dt As Date, Optional bolOver As Boolean) As Date
>     Dim dtTemp As Date
>     dtTemp = DateAdd("d", 7 - Weekday(dt), dt)
>     If bolOver = True Then dtTemp = dtTemp + 1
>     EoW = dtTemp
> End Function
> 
> </vba>
> 



From Benson at ge.com  Mon Nov 26 22:36:05 2012
From: Benson at ge.com (Benson, William (GE Global Research, consultant))
Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2012 04:36:05 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Need for an Access programmer
In-Reply-To: <7D6E532028614C6BBD2C2179695E09DC@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <201211261751.qAQHpFOR024710@databaseadvisors.com>
	<3026C7D3773B4DEBACDB95033CD09A97@HAL9007>
	<7D6E532028614C6BBD2C2179695E09DC@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <93D10F008B998B4A83BCA855A33EEF372C895256@CINMBCNA01.e2k.ad.ge.com>

Well that makes me feel a lot better about my consulting rate of $75/hr... 

Now, if I can just get someone to give me any work so I can actually earn that ...

;)

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Monday, November 26, 2012 11:03 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Need for an Access programmer

A company in Durham, North Carolina needs an Access programmer. The rate of pay stated is $40.00 per hour.

http://information-technology.thingamajob.com/jobs/North-Carolina/Access-Dev
eloper/2705079

Jim

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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Mon Nov 26 23:08:11 2012
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2012 00:08:11 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Closure on the String to Date topic
In-Reply-To: <50B4414C.6971.27B3C090@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <CAEPJO1i+RPpAQwj3g+PQSquqG3a4vh8cKk4T-zftOyuPfpw1+A@mail.gmail.com>
	<50B4414C.6971.27B3C090@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1i=q54BEj_vNDyKXLaPMV-Vgx=JjU1C9cC83r2QYa4B6w@mail.gmail.com>

There we go. Thanks!


On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 11:27 PM, Stuart McLachlan
<stuart at lexacorp.com.pg>wrote:

> Alternative (simpler?)  functions:
>
> Public Function BoM(dt As Date) As Date
>     BoM = DateSerial(year(dt),month(dt),1)
> End Function
>
> Public Function BoY(dt As Date) As Date
>      BoY = DateSerial(year(dt),1,1)
>  End Function
>
> Public Function EoY(dt As Date) As Date
>      EoY = Dateserial(year(dt),12,31)
> End Function
>
> Public Function EoM(dt as date)
>   EOM =  DateSerial(year(dt),month(dt) +1,1) -1
> End Function
>
>
>
> On 26 Nov 2012 at 23:10, Arthur Fuller wrote:
>
> > Thanks to your suggestions, I got where I needed to go. In the course of
> > which I dug up and also created a few new functions, presented below.
> They
> > are a long way from rocket science, but someone might find them useful.
> > Also included are a couple of test procs, one to exercise all the
> variants
> > on DateAdd() and the other to exercise the new functions I've included.
> >
> > <vba>
> > '---------------------------------------------------------------
> > Public Sub TestDateAdd()
> >     Dim dt As Date
> >     dt = Now()
> >     Debug.Print "Initial Date: " & dt
> >     Debug.Print "Adding 1 year       : ", DateAdd("yyyy", 1, dt)
> >     Debug.Print "Subtracting 1 year  : ", DateAdd("y", -1, dt)
> >
> >     Debug.Print "Adding 1 month      : ", DateAdd("m", 1, dt)
> >     Debug.Print "Subtracting 1 month : ", DateAdd("m", -1, dt)
> >
> >     Debug.Print "Adding 1 week       : ", DateAdd("ww", 1, dt)
> >     Debug.Print "Subtracting 1 week  : ", DateAdd("ww", -1, dt)
> >
> >     Debug.Print "Adding 1 day        : ", DateAdd("d", 1, dt)
> >     Debug.Print "Subtracting 1 day   : ", DateAdd("d", -1, dt)
> >
> >     Debug.Print "Adding 1 hour       : ", DateAdd("h", 1, dt)
> >     Debug.Print "Subtracting 1 hour  : ", DateAdd("h", -1, dt)
> >
> >     Debug.Print "Adding 1 minute     : ", DateAdd("n", 1, dt)
> >     Debug.Print "Subtracting 1 minute: ", DateAdd("n", -1, dt)
> >
> >     Debug.Print "Adding 1 second     : ", DateAdd("s", 1, dt)
> >     Debug.Print "Subtracting 1 second: ", DateAdd("s", -1, dt)
> >
> > End Sub
> >
> > '---------------------------------------------------------------
> > Public Sub TestNewDateFuncs()
> >     Dim dt As Date
> >     dt = Now()
> >     Debug.Print "Initial Date: " & dt
> >     Debug.Print "Beg of Year : ", BoY(dt)
> >     Debug.Print "End of Year : ", EoY(dt)
> >
> >     Debug.Print "Beg of Month: ", BoM(dt)
> >     Debug.Print "End of Month: ", EoM(dt)
> >
> >     Debug.Print "Beg of Week (Default) : ", BoW(dt)
> >     Debug.Print "End of Week (Default) : ", EoW(dt)
> >
> >     Debug.Print "Beg of Week (Business): ", BoW(dt, True)
> >     Debug.Print "End of Week (Business): ", EoW(dt, True)
> >
> > End Sub
> > </vba>
> >
> > In a new module called DateFunctions...
> >
> > <vba>
> > '---------------------------------------------------------------
> > ' Name      : Date Functions
> > ' Author    : Arthur Fuller
> > ' Purpose   : A collection of date-handling functions
> > ' Notes:
> > '
> > '---------------------------------------------------------------
> > Option Compare Database
> > Option Explicit
> >
> > '---------------------------------------------------------------
> > ' Name: BoM()
> > ' Purpose: Returns the beginning of month for specified date
> > ' Notes:
> > '---------------------------------------------------------------
> > Public Function BoM(dt As Date) As Date
> >     BoM = dt - Day(dt) + 1
> > End Function
> >
> > '---------------------------------------------------------------
> > ' Name: EoM()
> > ' Purpose: Returns the end of month for specified date
> > ' Notes:
> > '---------------------------------------------------------------
> > Public Function EoM(dt As Date) As Date
> >     EoM = DateAdd("m", 1, BoM(dt)) - 1
> > End Function
> >
> > '---------------------------------------------------------------
> > ' Name: BoY()
> > ' Purpose: Returns the first date of the year for specified date
> > '---------------------------------------------------------------
> > Public Function BoY(dt As Date) As Date
> >     Dim iMonths As Integer
> >     iMonths = -(Month(dt) - 1)
> >     Debug.Print BoM(DateAdd("m", iMonths, Date)) 'DateAdd("m", 1,
> BoM(dt))
> > - 1
> >     BoY = BoM(DateAdd("m", iMonths, Date)) 'DateAdd("m", 1, BoM(dt)) - 1
> > '    BoY = BoM(DateAdd("m", -(Month(dt) - 1), Date)) 'DateAdd("m", 1,
> > BoM(dt)) - 1
> > End Function
> >
> > '---------------------------------------------------------------
> > ' Name: EoY()
> > ' Purpose: Returns the last date of the year for specified date
> > '---------------------------------------------------------------
> > Public Function EoY(dt As Date) As Date
> >     Dim iMonths As Integer
> >     iMonths = 12 - Month(dt)
> >     Dim dtTemp As Date
> >     dtTemp = DateAdd("m", iMonths, dt)
> >     EoY = EoM(DateAdd("m", 12 - Month(dt), Date)) 'DateAdd("m", 1,
> BoM(dt))
> > - 1
> > End Function
> >
> > '---------------------------------------------------------------
> > ' Name: BoW()
> > ' Purpose: Returns the first date of the week for specified date
> > ' Notes:
> > '   Some think the week begins on Sunday, others Monday
> > '   The default is Sunday; the optional parameter overtides this
> > '---------------------------------------------------------------
> > Public Function BoW(dt As Date, Optional bolOver As Boolean) As Date
> >     Dim dtTemp As Date
> >     Dim iDays As Integer
> >     iDays = -(Weekday(dt) - 1)
> >     dtTemp = DateAdd("d", iDays, Date)
> >     If bolOver = True Then dtTemp = dtTemp + 1
> >     BoW = dtTemp
> > End Function
> >
> > '---------------------------------------------------------------
> > ' Name: EoW()
> > ' Purpose: Returns the last date of the week for specified date
> > ' Notes:
> > '   Some think the week begins on Sunday, others Monday
> > '   The default is Sunday; the optional parameter overtides this
> > '---------------------------------------------------------------
> > Public Function EoW(dt As Date, Optional bolOver As Boolean) As Date
> >     Dim dtTemp As Date
> >     dtTemp = DateAdd("d", 7 - Weekday(dt), dt)
> >     If bolOver = True Then dtTemp = dtTemp + 1
> >     EoW = dtTemp
> > End Function
> >
> > </vba>
> >
>
>
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>



-- 
Arthur
Cell: 647.710.1314

Prediction is difficult, especially of the future.
  -- Niels Bohr

From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Mon Nov 26 23:13:28 2012
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2012 00:13:28 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Error trying to install MzTools
In-Reply-To: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B534360119@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
References: <CAEPJO1gZUdfwymG55Sb8d6KNUua9jzqZhb4b_ypFXnmyABHZDw@mail.gmail.com>
	<44A410BC-9ABE-49F3-A89E-CE6F5BB6DD98@verizon.net>
	<95F8E95A-564B-415A-AC0C-E00BBA6128CC@verizon.net>
	<50B2BBB3.13167.21C1E32E@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<000101cdcbd5$82478450$86d68cf0$@net>
	<56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B534360119@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1hYAN3nH93=fV9C_1N8i89XR49C9t=mfgTEQv3LxH9X+A@mail.gmail.com>

Jim,

Maybe you're onto something, I've just been calling regsvr32.exe and not
bothering to check if there's another instance ahead in the path. I'll try
that and hope that it works!

Thx.

From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue Nov 27 07:36:23 2012
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2012 08:36:23 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Need for an Access programmer
In-Reply-To: <93D10F008B998B4A83BCA855A33EEF372C895256@CINMBCNA01.e2k.ad.ge.com>
References: <201211261751.qAQHpFOR024710@databaseadvisors.com>
	<3026C7D3773B4DEBACDB95033CD09A97@HAL9007>
	<7D6E532028614C6BBD2C2179695E09DC@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<93D10F008B998B4A83BCA855A33EEF372C895256@CINMBCNA01.e2k.ad.ge.com>
Message-ID: <50B4C1D7.7080708@colbyconsulting.com>

ROTFL.

I am actually getting dribs and drabs at your rate.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 11/26/2012 11:36 PM, Benson, William (GE Global Research, consultant) wrote:
> Well that makes me feel a lot better about my consulting rate of $75/hr...
>
> Now, if I can just get someone to give me any work so I can actually earn that ...
>
> ;)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
> Sent: Monday, November 26, 2012 11:03 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: [AccessD] Need for an Access programmer
>
> A company in Durham, North Carolina needs an Access programmer. The rate of pay stated is $40.00 per hour.
>
> http://information-technology.thingamajob.com/jobs/North-Carolina/Access-Dev
> eloper/2705079
>
> Jim
>
> --
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> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>


From dbdoug at gmail.com  Tue Nov 27 09:13:10 2012
From: dbdoug at gmail.com (Doug Steele)
Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2012 07:13:10 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Error trying to install MzTools
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1hYAN3nH93=fV9C_1N8i89XR49C9t=mfgTEQv3LxH9X+A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1gZUdfwymG55Sb8d6KNUua9jzqZhb4b_ypFXnmyABHZDw@mail.gmail.com>
	<44A410BC-9ABE-49F3-A89E-CE6F5BB6DD98@verizon.net>
	<95F8E95A-564B-415A-AC0C-E00BBA6128CC@verizon.net>
	<50B2BBB3.13167.21C1E32E@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<000101cdcbd5$82478450$86d68cf0$@net>
	<56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B534360119@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
	<CAEPJO1hYAN3nH93=fV9C_1N8i89XR49C9t=mfgTEQv3LxH9X+A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAFa8NkhSc0hAWj54xDbDm8caQEs9vFhwjkaDF1RdatG4TQ-Shw@mail.gmail.com>

I'm interested to know why you're registering a dll.  The installer for
MZ-Tools has always worked for me without any dll registration.

Doug


On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 9:13 PM, Arthur Fuller <fuller.artful at gmail.com>wrote:

> Jim,
>
> Maybe you're onto something, I've just been calling regsvr32.exe and not
> bothering to check if there's another instance ahead in the path. I'll try
> that and hope that it works!
>
> Thx.
> --
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> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>

From jimdettman at verizon.net  Tue Nov 27 09:37:59 2012
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2012 10:37:59 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Error trying to install MzTools
In-Reply-To: <CAFa8NkhSc0hAWj54xDbDm8caQEs9vFhwjkaDF1RdatG4TQ-Shw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1gZUdfwymG55Sb8d6KNUua9jzqZhb4b_ypFXnmyABHZDw@mail.gmail.com>
	<44A410BC-9ABE-49F3-A89E-CE6F5BB6DD98@verizon.net>
	<95F8E95A-564B-415A-AC0C-E00BBA6128CC@verizon.net>
	<50B2BBB3.13167.21C1E32E@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<000101cdcbd5$82478450$86d68cf0$@net>
	<56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B534360119@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
	<CAEPJO1hYAN3nH93=fV9C_1N8i89XR49C9t=mfgTEQv3LxH9X+A@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAFa8NkhSc0hAWj54xDbDm8caQEs9vFhwjkaDF1RdatG4TQ-Shw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <E956597C945A4F1998E26E7B0DDAE95C@XPS>


 Interesting...

 As to why, the help for installing says that you must register it. 

Jim.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Doug Steele
Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2012 10:13 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Error trying to install MzTools

I'm interested to know why you're registering a dll.  The installer for
MZ-Tools has always worked for me without any dll registration.

Doug


On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 9:13 PM, Arthur Fuller
<fuller.artful at gmail.com>wrote:

> Jim,
>
> Maybe you're onto something, I've just been calling regsvr32.exe and not
> bothering to check if there's another instance ahead in the path. I'll try
> that and hope that it works!
>
> Thx.
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
-- 
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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Tue Nov 27 10:17:08 2012
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2012 11:17:08 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Error trying to install MzTools
In-Reply-To: <E956597C945A4F1998E26E7B0DDAE95C@XPS>
References: <CAEPJO1gZUdfwymG55Sb8d6KNUua9jzqZhb4b_ypFXnmyABHZDw@mail.gmail.com>
	<44A410BC-9ABE-49F3-A89E-CE6F5BB6DD98@verizon.net>
	<95F8E95A-564B-415A-AC0C-E00BBA6128CC@verizon.net>
	<50B2BBB3.13167.21C1E32E@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<000101cdcbd5$82478450$86d68cf0$@net>
	<56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B534360119@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
	<CAEPJO1hYAN3nH93=fV9C_1N8i89XR49C9t=mfgTEQv3LxH9X+A@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAFa8NkhSc0hAWj54xDbDm8caQEs9vFhwjkaDF1RdatG4TQ-Shw@mail.gmail.com>
	<E956597C945A4F1998E26E7B0DDAE95C@XPS>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1hEzYthTkHG6Oig0A2DCXWq2UbFRTujBYuBHDLLdWHowA@mail.gmail.com>

Jim,

You're right. That's why I attempted to install it that way. Never trust a
Help File or for that matter a translation dictionary. (Have you ever
considered how much demented, albeit vicarious, fun you could have by
writing a translation dictionary? Teaching people to say, "I want to sleep
with your grandmother" when they think they are saying, "How is your
family?")

Doug,

Thanks for pointing out yet another of my senior moments. I totally forgot
about the setup program and relied instead upon an old saved copy of the
original zip file.

I owe you a beer, or, in the holiday spirit, a shot of excellent Scotch.

A.

From marksimms at verizon.net  Tue Nov 27 10:39:31 2012
From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms)
Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2012 11:39:31 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Need for an Access programmer
In-Reply-To: <93D10F008B998B4A83BCA855A33EEF372C895256@CINMBCNA01.e2k.ad.ge.com>
References: <201211261751.qAQHpFOR024710@databaseadvisors.com>
	<3026C7D3773B4DEBACDB95033CD09A97@HAL9007>
	<7D6E532028614C6BBD2C2179695E09DC@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<93D10F008B998B4A83BCA855A33EEF372C895256@CINMBCNA01.e2k.ad.ge.com>
Message-ID: <00ee01cdccbd$c7872320$56956960$@net>

Not even close here in Philly. Even New York since the financial crisis has
see a dramatic drop in rates.

>
> Well that makes me feel a lot better about my consulting rate of
> $75/hr...
>



From marksimms at verizon.net  Tue Nov 27 10:43:38 2012
From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms)
Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2012 11:43:38 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Smart Indenter - was RE: Error trying to install MzTools
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1hEzYthTkHG6Oig0A2DCXWq2UbFRTujBYuBHDLLdWHowA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1gZUdfwymG55Sb8d6KNUua9jzqZhb4b_ypFXnmyABHZDw@mail.gmail.com>
	<44A410BC-9ABE-49F3-A89E-CE6F5BB6DD98@verizon.net>
	<95F8E95A-564B-415A-AC0C-E00BBA6128CC@verizon.net>
	<50B2BBB3.13167.21C1E32E@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<000101cdcbd5$82478450$86d68cf0$@net>
	<56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B534360119@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
	<CAEPJO1hYAN3nH93=fV9C_1N8i89XR49C9t=mfgTEQv3LxH9X+A@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAFa8NkhSc0hAWj54xDbDm8caQEs9vFhwjkaDF1RdatG4TQ-Shw@mail.gmail.com>
	<E956597C945A4F1998E26E7B0DDAE95C@XPS>
	<CAEPJO1hEzYthTkHG6Oig0A2DCXWq2UbFRTujBYuBHDLLdWHowA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <00ef01cdccbe$5ad82660$10887320$@net>

While on the subject of MzTools...I am using a companion product of sorts:
VBASmartIndenter.

However, it has a slight bug related to the number of characters for the
indent tab.
I have mine set to 2, but it uses 4...giving me way too deep of an
indentation.
On another machine, it works fine. I tried changing it's registry entries to
match the working machine,
but it still insists on a 4 space indent.
I even tried re-installing it - no luck.
Attempts to email the vendor result in bounced mail.



From marksimms at verizon.net  Tue Nov 27 10:45:27 2012
From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms)
Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2012 11:45:27 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Need for an Access programmer
In-Reply-To: <7D6E532028614C6BBD2C2179695E09DC@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <201211261751.qAQHpFOR024710@databaseadvisors.com>
	<3026C7D3773B4DEBACDB95033CD09A97@HAL9007>
	<7D6E532028614C6BBD2C2179695E09DC@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <00f001cdccbe$9bbd2810$d3377830$@net>

Omigosh - a warning about TekSystems...they're very greedy.
It's likely they're charging the client at least $70.


> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-
> bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
> Sent: Monday, November 26, 2012 11:03 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: [AccessD] Need for an Access programmer
>
> A company in Durham, North Carolina needs an Access programmer. The
> rate of
> pay stated is $40.00 per hour.
>
> http://information-technology.thingamajob.com/jobs/North-
> Carolina/Access-Dev
> eloper/2705079
>
> Jim
>
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com



From dbdoug at gmail.com  Tue Nov 27 10:46:33 2012
From: dbdoug at gmail.com (Doug Steele)
Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2012 08:46:33 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Error trying to install MzTools
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1hEzYthTkHG6Oig0A2DCXWq2UbFRTujBYuBHDLLdWHowA@mail.gmail.com>
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You guys read Help files?  I never thought of that....

I'll take you up on the Scotch, Arthur.

Doug


On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 8:17 AM, Arthur Fuller <fuller.artful at gmail.com>wrote:

> Jim,
>
> You're right. That's why I attempted to install it that way. Never trust a
> Help File or for that matter a translation dictionary. (Have you ever
> considered how much demented, albeit vicarious, fun you could have by
> writing a translation dictionary? Teaching people to say, "I want to sleep
> with your grandmother" when they think they are saying, "How is your
> family?")
>
> Doug,
>
> Thanks for pointing out yet another of my senior moments. I totally forgot
> about the setup program and relied instead upon an old saved copy of the
> original zip file.
>
> I owe you a beer, or, in the holiday spirit, a shot of excellent Scotch.
>
> A.
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>

From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Tue Nov 27 11:09:13 2012
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2012 12:09:13 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Error trying to install MzTools
In-Reply-To: <CAFa8NkgT90WT2JEgJ5tvMfawdFa7DACboznD+Ev3b8=b7XfGew@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1gZUdfwymG55Sb8d6KNUua9jzqZhb4b_ypFXnmyABHZDw@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CAEPJO1iMSe24muExapdUDrQCQ3G56q8MW2hD3JgiCU01Emmfjw@mail.gmail.com>

Reminds me of a very old joke or three, and before you reply to this, let's
start a new thread on the subject. The old joke (or more accurately,
T-shirt or license-plate sticker, is this:

*Real programmers don't use compilers; they write compilers.*

Which excludes me and most of the people on this list, I suspect. But come
next U of T semester, now that I have discovered that U of T allows senior
citizens free tuition, I plan to enroll in a course in compiler
construction. I have a bold old concept for a programming language.
Tentatively it's called Chomsky, and it does what you meant, not what you
wrote. Tough nut to crack, I admit, but as I grow Older I also grow Bolder,
just like a waving flag! (A song by a Canadian called K'naan, which became
the last World Cup (football) song; see
https://www.google.ca/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&ie=UTF-8#hl=en&tbo=d&q=k%27naan+wavin%27+flag&stick=H4sIAAAAAAAAAGOovnz8BQMDgw4HsxCnfq6-gVmRkUmlEheImZZtYWKYqyXoW1qcmexYVJJZXBKSH5yfl_5eM8j0pObbpfcbNhtxWcw-9pNpzwEAdRfLXUkAAAA&sa=X&ei=lfG0UI_kHKaFywGehoDACQ&sqi=2&ved=0CMMBEMQNMBU&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_cp.r_qf.&fp=6048e1ecd4849dfb&bpcl=38897761&ion=1&biw=1007&bih=834to
hear it.

For those unacquainted with Noam Chomsky, at the tender age of 26 he
revolutionized the study of linguistics, and a part of that project was to
issue the death-blow to Sknnerism. Historically, J.P. Sartre did it first,
on a different level, in The Phenomenology of Mind, but his proof was
widely ignored due primarily to its imprecision, and it remained for the
young Chomsky to utterly demolish and leave devastated a
philosophy/psychology that ruled for decades, but was a stack of cards
erected upon falsehood after falsehood after falsehood.

I think that in the current situation, virtually no one gives even the
slightest credence to Behaviorism, but occasionally I do stumble upon
vestiges of this arcane dogma. The feeling is rather akin to stumbling upon
someone who actually subscribes to Scientology or Astrology. The baffling
thing is that now and then these people otherwise exhibit a modicum of
intelligence. Go figure.

A.

From jackandpat.d at gmail.com  Tue Nov 27 11:15:42 2012
From: jackandpat.d at gmail.com (jack drawbridge)
Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2012 12:15:42 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Error trying to install MzTools
In-Reply-To: <CAFa8NkgT90WT2JEgJ5tvMfawdFa7DACboznD+Ev3b8=b7XfGew@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1gZUdfwymG55Sb8d6KNUua9jzqZhb4b_ypFXnmyABHZDw@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CAKvidAvm6nPdZivBwTBOj7A7DJTgNrx+_Of4ez1uj5OqaYNRxA@mail.gmail.com>

Good point re Help Files - Doug. Next they'll be expecting us to read "the
manual".

On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 11:46 AM, Doug Steele <dbdoug at gmail.com> wrote:

> You guys read Help files?  I never thought of that....
>
> I'll take you up on the Scotch, Arthur.
>
> Doug
>
>
> On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 8:17 AM, Arthur Fuller <fuller.artful at gmail.com
> >wrote:
>
> > Jim,
> >
> > You're right. That's why I attempted to install it that way. Never trust
> a
> > Help File or for that matter a translation dictionary. (Have you ever
> > considered how much demented, albeit vicarious, fun you could have by
> > writing a translation dictionary? Teaching people to say, "I want to
> sleep
> > with your grandmother" when they think they are saying, "How is your
> > family?")
> >
> > Doug,
> >
> > Thanks for pointing out yet another of my senior moments. I totally
> forgot
> > about the setup program and relied instead upon an old saved copy of the
> > original zip file.
> >
> > I owe you a beer, or, in the holiday spirit, a shot of excellent Scotch.
> >
> > A.
> > --
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>

From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue Nov 27 11:49:20 2012
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2012 12:49:20 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] [SPAM] Re:  Error trying to install MzTools
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1iMSe24muExapdUDrQCQ3G56q8MW2hD3JgiCU01Emmfjw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1gZUdfwymG55Sb8d6KNUua9jzqZhb4b_ypFXnmyABHZDw@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <50B4FD20.4080800@colbyconsulting.com>

Hey!  I happen to be an astrological Scientologist.

;)

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 11/27/2012 12:09 PM, Arthur Fuller wrote:
> Reminds me of a very old joke or three, and before you reply to this, let's
> start a new thread on the subject. The old joke (or more accurately,
> T-shirt or license-plate sticker, is this:
>
> *Real programmers don't use compilers; they write compilers.*
>
> Which excludes me and most of the people on this list, I suspect. But come
> next U of T semester, now that I have discovered that U of T allows senior
> citizens free tuition, I plan to enroll in a course in compiler
> construction. I have a bold old concept for a programming language.
> Tentatively it's called Chomsky, and it does what you meant, not what you
> wrote. Tough nut to crack, I admit, but as I grow Older I also grow Bolder,
> just like a waving flag! (A song by a Canadian called K'naan, which became
> the last World Cup (football) song; see
> https://www.google.ca/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&ie=UTF-8#hl=en&tbo=d&q=k%27naan+wavin%27+flag&stick=H4sIAAAAAAAAAGOovnz8BQMDgw4HsxCnfq6-gVmRkUmlEheImZZtYWKYqyXoW1qcmexYVJJZXBKSH5yfl_5eM8j0pObbpfcbNhtxWcw-9pNpzwEAdRfLXUkAAAA&sa=X&ei=lfG0UI_kHKaFywGehoDACQ&sqi=2&ved=0CMMBEMQNMBU&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_cp.r_qf.&fp=6048e1ecd4849dfb&bpcl=38897761&ion=1&biw=1007&bih=834to
> hear it.
>
> For those unacquainted with Noam Chomsky, at the tender age of 26 he
> revolutionized the study of linguistics, and a part of that project was to
> issue the death-blow to Sknnerism. Historically, J.P. Sartre did it first,
> on a different level, in The Phenomenology of Mind, but his proof was
> widely ignored due primarily to its imprecision, and it remained for the
> young Chomsky to utterly demolish and leave devastated a
> philosophy/psychology that ruled for decades, but was a stack of cards
> erected upon falsehood after falsehood after falsehood.
>
> I think that in the current situation, virtually no one gives even the
> slightest credence to Behaviorism, but occasionally I do stumble upon
> vestiges of this arcane dogma. The feeling is rather akin to stumbling upon
> someone who actually subscribes to Scientology or Astrology. The baffling
> thing is that now and then these people otherwise exhibit a modicum of
> intelligence. Go figure.
>
> A.
>


From mcp2004 at mail.ru  Tue Nov 27 11:50:34 2012
From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=)
Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2012 21:50:34 +0400
Subject: [AccessD] =?utf-8?q?Closure_on_the_String_to_Date_topic?=
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1iq54BEj_vNDyKXLaPMV-Vgx=JjU1C9cC83r2QYa4B6w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <50B4414C.6971.27B3C090@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
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Message-ID: <1354038634.893878380@f11.mail.ru>

Hi Arthur and Stuart,

Here is a bit quicker version of EoM :)

Public Function EoM2(dt As Date)
EoM2 = DateSerial(Year(dt), Month(dt) + 1, 0)
End FunctionIf a bit more seriously what's the use of such one line function(s)? - as you can find from the test results below almost 25% of time is spent to pass parameter(s) and to get return value. Of course that are just microseconds but imagine you have a lot of such "one-liners" and they are called in cycles etc.

Thank you.

-- Shamil

P.S. Tests results:

EoM: Elapsed time = 0.140625
EoM2: Elapsed time = 0.125
Inline: DateSerial(Year(dt), Month(dt) + 1, 0): Elapsed time = 0.09375P.P.S. Test code:

Option Compare Database
Public Sub Test()
Const MAX_COUNT As Long = 100000
Dim startTime As Single
Dim endTime As Single
Dim counter As Long
Dim testName As String
Dim result As Date
Dim dt As Date
dt = Now
' EoM
testName = "EoM"
startTime = Timer
For counter = 1 To MAX_COUNT
result = EoM(dt)
Next counter
endTime = Timer
Debug.Print testName & ": Elapsed time = " & (endTime - startTime)
' EoM2
testName = "EoM2"
startTime = Timer
For counter = 1 To MAX_COUNT
result = EoM2(dt)
Next counter
endTime = Timer
Debug.Print testName & ": Elapsed time = " & (endTime - startTime)
' Inline: DateSerial(Year(dt), Month(dt) + 1, 0)
testName = "Inline: DateSerial(Year(dt), Month(dt) + 1, 0)"
startTime = Timer
For counter = 1 To MAX_COUNT
result = DateSerial(Year(dt), Month(dt) + 1, 0)
Next counter
endTime = Timer
Debug.Print testName & ": Elapsed time = " & (endTime - startTime)
End Sub
Public Function EoM(dt As Date)
EoM = DateSerial(Year(dt), Month(dt) + 1, 1) - 1
End Function
Public Function EoM2(dt As Date)
EoM2 = DateSerial(Year(dt), Month(dt) + 1, 0)
End Function


Tue 27 Nov 2012 00:08:11 ?? Arthur Fuller <fuller.artful at gmail.com>:
>	
>
>
	
	
>
		
		
			
>There we go. Thanks!
>

>

>
On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 11:27 PM, Stuart McLachlan
>
<stuart at lexacorp.com.pg>wrote:
>

>
> Alternative (simpler?)  functions:
>
>
>
> Public Function BoM(dt As Date) As Date
>
>     BoM = DateSerial(year(dt),month(dt),1)
>
> End Function
>
>
>
> Public Function BoY(dt As Date) As Date
>
>      BoY = DateSerial(year(dt),1,1)
>
>  End Function
>
>
>
> Public Function EoY(dt As Date) As Date
>
>      EoY = Dateserial(year(dt),12,31)
>
> End Function
>
>
>
> Public Function EoM(dt as date)
>
>   EOM =  DateSerial(year(dt),month(dt) +1,1) -1
>
> End Function
>
>
>
>
><<< skipped >>>

From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue Nov 27 11:52:25 2012
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2012 12:52:25 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Need for an Access programmer
In-Reply-To: <00f001cdccbe$9bbd2810$d3377830$@net>
References: <201211261751.qAQHpFOR024710@databaseadvisors.com>
	<3026C7D3773B4DEBACDB95033CD09A97@HAL9007>
	<7D6E532028614C6BBD2C2179695E09DC@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<00f001cdccbe$9bbd2810$d3377830$@net>
Message-ID: <50B4FDD9.5030108@colbyconsulting.com>

LOL, probably.  $40 / hour for an Access programmer (through a service) is actually pretty good.  In 
fact, if you use 2080 hours / year that turns into $83 K / year which is pretty darned good for an 
Access programmer no matter how you cut it.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 11/27/2012 11:45 AM, Mark Simms wrote:
> Omigosh - a warning about TekSystems...they're very greedy.
> It's likely they're charging the client at least $70.
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-
>> bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
>> Sent: Monday, November 26, 2012 11:03 PM
>> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>> Subject: [AccessD] Need for an Access programmer
>>
>> A company in Durham, North Carolina needs an Access programmer. The
>> rate of
>> pay stated is $40.00 per hour.
>>
>> http://information-technology.thingamajob.com/jobs/North-
>> Carolina/Access-Dev
>> eloper/2705079
>>
>> Jim
>>
>> --
>> AccessD mailing list
>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>


From jackandpat.d at gmail.com  Tue Nov 27 12:18:07 2012
From: jackandpat.d at gmail.com (jack drawbridge)
Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2012 13:18:07 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] [SPAM] Re: Error trying to install MzTools
In-Reply-To: <50B4FD20.4080800@colbyconsulting.com>
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That's how you explain your 50 hour days, John.

On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 12:49 PM, jwcolby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>wrote:

> Hey!  I happen to be an astrological Scientologist.
>
> ;)
>
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
>
> Reality is what refuses to go away
> when you do not believe in it
>
> On 11/27/2012 12:09 PM, Arthur Fuller wrote:
>
>> Reminds me of a very old joke or three, and before you reply to this,
>> let's
>> start a new thread on the subject. The old joke (or more accurately,
>> T-shirt or license-plate sticker, is this:
>>
>> *Real programmers don't use compilers; they write compilers.*
>>
>> Which excludes me and most of the people on this list, I suspect. But come
>> next U of T semester, now that I have discovered that U of T allows senior
>> citizens free tuition, I plan to enroll in a course in compiler
>> construction. I have a bold old concept for a programming language.
>> Tentatively it's called Chomsky, and it does what you meant, not what you
>> wrote. Tough nut to crack, I admit, but as I grow Older I also grow
>> Bolder,
>> just like a waving flag! (A song by a Canadian called K'naan, which became
>> the last World Cup (football) song; see
>> https://www.google.ca/webhp?**sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&**
>> ie=UTF-8#hl=en&tbo=d&q=k%**27naan+wavin%27+flag&stick=**
>> H4sIAAAAAAAAAGOovnz8BQMDgw4Hsx**Cnfq6-**gVmRkUmlEheImZZtYWKYqyXoW1qcme**
>> xYVJJZXBKSH5yfl_**5eM8j0pObbpfcbNhtxWcw-**9pNpzwEAdRfLXUkAAAA&sa=X&ei=**
>> lfG0UI_kHKaFywGehoDACQ&sqi=2&**ved=0CMMBEMQNMBU&bav=on.2,or.**
>> r_gc.r_pw.r_cp.r_qf.&fp=**6048e1ecd4849dfb&bpcl=**
>> 38897761&ion=1&biw=1007&bih=**834to<https://www.google.ca/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&ie=UTF-8#hl=en&tbo=d&q=k%27naan+wavin%27+flag&stick=H4sIAAAAAAAAAGOovnz8BQMDgw4HsxCnfq6-gVmRkUmlEheImZZtYWKYqyXoW1qcmexYVJJZXBKSH5yfl_5eM8j0pObbpfcbNhtxWcw-9pNpzwEAdRfLXUkAAAA&sa=X&ei=lfG0UI_kHKaFywGehoDACQ&sqi=2&ved=0CMMBEMQNMBU&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_cp.r_qf.&fp=6048e1ecd4849dfb&bpcl=38897761&ion=1&biw=1007&bih=834to>
>> hear it.
>>
>> For those unacquainted with Noam Chomsky, at the tender age of 26 he
>> revolutionized the study of linguistics, and a part of that project was to
>> issue the death-blow to Sknnerism. Historically, J.P. Sartre did it first,
>> on a different level, in The Phenomenology of Mind, but his proof was
>> widely ignored due primarily to its imprecision, and it remained for the
>> young Chomsky to utterly demolish and leave devastated a
>> philosophy/psychology that ruled for decades, but was a stack of cards
>> erected upon falsehood after falsehood after falsehood.
>>
>> I think that in the current situation, virtually no one gives even the
>> slightest credence to Behaviorism, but occasionally I do stumble upon
>> vestiges of this arcane dogma. The feeling is rather akin to stumbling
>> upon
>> someone who actually subscribes to Scientology or Astrology. The baffling
>> thing is that now and then these people otherwise exhibit a modicum of
>> intelligence. Go figure.
>>
>> A.
>>
>>
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From charlotte.foust at gmail.com  Tue Nov 27 12:22:52 2012
From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2012 10:22:52 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Need for an Access programmer
In-Reply-To: <50B4FDD9.5030108@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <201211261751.qAQHpFOR024710@databaseadvisors.com>
	<3026C7D3773B4DEBACDB95033CD09A97@HAL9007>
	<7D6E532028614C6BBD2C2179695E09DC@creativesystemdesigns.com>
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I haven't seen anything near $40 for an Access programmer out here.
 Everyone wants C# and the rates run about $35 - $40 / hour.

Charlotte

On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 9:52 AM, jwcolby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>wrote:

> LOL, probably.  $40 / hour for an Access programmer (through a service) is
> actually pretty good.  In fact, if you use 2080 hours / year that turns
> into $83 K / year which is pretty darned good for an Access programmer no
> matter how you cut it.
>
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
>
> Reality is what refuses to go away
> when you do not believe in it
>
> On 11/27/2012 11:45 AM, Mark Simms wrote:
>
>> Omigosh - a warning about TekSystems...they're very greedy.
>> It's likely they're charging the client at least $70.
>>
>>
>>  -----Original Message-----
>>> From: accessd-bounces@**databaseadvisors.com<accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com>[mailto:
>>> accessd-
>>> bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
>>> Sent: Monday, November 26, 2012 11:03 PM
>>> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>>> Subject: [AccessD] Need for an Access programmer
>>>
>>> A company in Durham, North Carolina needs an Access programmer. The
>>> rate of
>>> pay stated is $40.00 per hour.
>>>
>>> http://information-technology.**thingamajob.com/jobs/North-<http://information-technology.thingamajob.com/jobs/North->
>>> Carolina/Access-Dev
>>> eloper/2705079
>>>
>>> Jim
>>>
>>> --
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>>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
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>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.**com<http://www.databaseadvisors.com>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
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>

From vbacreations at gmail.com  Tue Nov 27 12:32:51 2012
From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson)
Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2012 13:32:51 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Need for an Access programmer
In-Reply-To: <00ee01cdccbd$c7872320$56956960$@net>
References: <201211261751.qAQHpFOR024710@databaseadvisors.com>
	<3026C7D3773B4DEBACDB95033CD09A97@HAL9007>
	<7D6E532028614C6BBD2C2179695E09DC@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<93D10F008B998B4A83BCA855A33EEF372C895256@CINMBCNA01.e2k.ad.ge.com>
	<00ee01cdccbd$c7872320$56956960$@net>
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These discussions seem to crop up from time to time and I dont like the
impression I may be falsely giving. In truth I have only recently gotten
the courage to ask for 75/hr. I did market research to see that 75 per hr
is chump change in the B2B consulting world.

I asked someone who runs an IT group here and he told me they bill out at
about 135 per hour for their consultants. They dont do excel or access
programming They have no problem paying me 75/hr for building an excel
solution and don't care if I prefer to use access if it will help them get
a larger project out the door or provide an interim solution.

So what they really are paying for is results and their main project is
worth millions and all they know is they have an exposure they dont want to
have and want me to handle that piece.

My other client has vastly deeper pockets but hiring freezes and constant
"work-out" sessions so to he keeps telling me that he cant afford me. Then
asks me to do work anyway and pays me more than my rate as a lump sum yo
deliver something. And I checked up and found out they pay personnel
companies well over 100 per hr for talented ppl.

Not sure I know which I would rather be:  (1) consultant with a few clients
who I can bill a high rate... suffering mixture of feast (late nights and
high stress) or famine (lots of time on my hands for Listserv posting and
reading). Or (2) ... a commodity ( i.e. having a skillset only) and go from
site to site, making a lower wage but perhaps having more certainty where I
will be at any given time period.

Now that I have jinxed myself by writing this my two clients will probably
dry up and I will be starving in 2 months and neither option.

Connections are also important.... networking.

Regards,
BILL


...grabled by smrat phonn as ususl
On Nov 27, 2012 11:41 AM, "Mark Simms" <marksimms at verizon.net> wrote:

> Not even close here in Philly. Even New York since the financial crisis has
> see a dramatic drop in rates.
>
> >
> > Well that makes me feel a lot better about my consulting rate of
> > $75/hr...
> >
>
>
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>

From mcp2004 at mail.ru  Tue Nov 27 12:35:13 2012
From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=)
Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2012 22:35:13 +0400
Subject: [AccessD] =?utf-8?q?Need_for_an_Access_programmer?=
In-Reply-To: <CAHMet_MKhuPsgw1=cqmmKprJqF-p0J6sHi=0d5aCgEmJrCfqw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <50B4FDD9.5030108@colbyconsulting.com>
	<201211261751.qAQHpFOR024710@databaseadvisors.com>
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Message-ID: <1354041313.668608635@f178.mail.ru>

Full-time and employed, ?or contract/consultant?

Thank you.

-- Shamil

Tue 27 Nov 2012 10:22:52 ?? Charlotte Foust <charlotte.foust at gmail.com>:
>	
>
>
	
	
>
		
		
			
>I haven't seen anything near $40 for an Access programmer out here.
>
?Everyone wants C# and the rates run about $35 - $40 / hour.
>

>
Charlotte
>

>
On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 9:52 AM, jwcolby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>wrote:
>

>
> LOL, probably.  $40 / hour for an Access programmer (through a service) is
>
> actually pretty good.  In fact, if you use 2080 hours / year that turns
>
> into $83 K / year which is pretty darned good for an Access programmer no
>
> matter how you cut it.
>
>
>
>
>
> John W. Colby
>
> Colby Consulting
>
>
>
> Reality is what refuses to go away
>
> when you do not believe in it
>
>
>
> On 11/27/2012 11:45 AM, Mark Simms wrote:
>
>
>
>> Omigosh - a warning about TekSystems...they're very greedy.
>
>> It's likely they're charging the client at least $70.
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>  -----Original Message-----
>
>>> From: accessd-bounces@**databaseadvisors.com<accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com>[mailto:
>
>>> accessd-
>
>>> bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
>
>>> Sent: Monday, November 26, 2012 11:03 PM
>
>>> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>
>>> Subject: [AccessD] Need for an Access programmer
>
>>>
>
>>> A company in Durham, North Carolina needs an Access programmer. The
>
>>> rate of
>
>>> pay stated is $40.00 per hour.
>
>>>
>
>>> <a href="http://information-technology.xn--**thingamajob-.com/jobs/North-" target="_blank">http://information-technology.**thingamajob.com/jobs/North-<http://information-technology.thingamajob.com/jobs/North->
>
>>> Carolina/Access-Dev
>
>>> eloper/2705079
>
>>>
>
>>> Jim
>
>>>
>
>>> --
>
>>> AccessD mailing list
>
>>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>
>>> <a href="http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/accessd" target="_blank">http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/accessd<http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd>
>
>>> Website: <a href="http://www.databaseadvisors.xn--**com" target="_blank">http://www.databaseadvisors.**com<http://www.databaseadvisors.com>
>
>>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
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>
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>
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>
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>
> Website: <a href="http://www.databaseadvisors.xn--**com" target="_blank">http://www.databaseadvisors.**com<http://www.databaseadvisors.com>
>
>
>
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>
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>
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>
>			
		
		
	

	
>


From jimdettman at verizon.net  Tue Nov 27 12:57:54 2012
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2012 13:57:54 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Need for an Access programmer
In-Reply-To: <CAGuQ9V7LS8WYhvQ6mbVia9CdJsiPqCaipCFa1BvjapdDYw2TjA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <201211261751.qAQHpFOR024710@databaseadvisors.com>
	<3026C7D3773B4DEBACDB95033CD09A97@HAL9007>
	<7D6E532028614C6BBD2C2179695E09DC@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<93D10F008B998B4A83BCA855A33EEF372C895256@CINMBCNA01.e2k.ad.ge.com>
	<00ee01cdccbd$c7872320$56956960$@net>
	<CAGuQ9V7LS8WYhvQ6mbVia9CdJsiPqCaipCFa1BvjapdDYw2TjA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <68F92B3316A24ADCA019324EA79D2DE1@XPS>

Bill,

 I'm in the same place and I feel $70 - $80 is more realistic for
programming services from a lone consultant.

 I've been charging $70/hr now for a number of years (about the past 15) and
give a 20% discount on top of that for a consistent level of work (more then
16 hours a week in a trailing two week period).  I've been using that setup
for a long time and I'm able to say that I've never lacked for full time
work.  The clients I deal with seem to feel that it's not an un-reasonable
rate. 

 I do plan to up my rate Jan 1 to $75 as I think I've fallen behind the
curve a bit.

 Some companies do charge $130 - $150/hr, but I always see those relations
as vary contentious.  Clients always feel like their getting ripped off and
are always arguing over billing.  I think if you peeled all the layers away,
you'd find their not making anywhere near as much as one would think.  So
much ends up as non-billable.

 In fact that's the way I invoiced long ago and never have a desire to
return to it.  My rate was double back then and life got far simpler when I
cut my rate in half.

 Clients got a lot happier and so did I.

FWIW,
Jim.
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Benson
Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2012 01:33 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Need for an Access programmer

These discussions seem to crop up from time to time and I dont like the
impression I may be falsely giving. In truth I have only recently gotten
the courage to ask for 75/hr. I did market research to see that 75 per hr
is chump change in the B2B consulting world.

I asked someone who runs an IT group here and he told me they bill out at
about 135 per hour for their consultants. They dont do excel or access
programming They have no problem paying me 75/hr for building an excel
solution and don't care if I prefer to use access if it will help them get
a larger project out the door or provide an interim solution.

So what they really are paying for is results and their main project is
worth millions and all they know is they have an exposure they dont want to
have and want me to handle that piece.

My other client has vastly deeper pockets but hiring freezes and constant
"work-out" sessions so to he keeps telling me that he cant afford me. Then
asks me to do work anyway and pays me more than my rate as a lump sum yo
deliver something. And I checked up and found out they pay personnel
companies well over 100 per hr for talented ppl.

Not sure I know which I would rather be:  (1) consultant with a few clients
who I can bill a high rate... suffering mixture of feast (late nights and
high stress) or famine (lots of time on my hands for Listserv posting and
reading). Or (2) ... a commodity ( i.e. having a skillset only) and go from
site to site, making a lower wage but perhaps having more certainty where I
will be at any given time period.

Now that I have jinxed myself by writing this my two clients will probably
dry up and I will be starving in 2 months and neither option.

Connections are also important.... networking.

Regards,
BILL


...grabled by smrat phonn as ususl
On Nov 27, 2012 11:41 AM, "Mark Simms" <marksimms at verizon.net> wrote:

> Not even close here in Philly. Even New York since the financial crisis
has
> see a dramatic drop in rates.
>
> >
> > Well that makes me feel a lot better about my consulting rate of
> > $75/hr...
> >
>
>
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
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From marksimms at verizon.net  Tue Nov 27 14:40:18 2012
From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms)
Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2012 15:40:18 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Need for an Access programmer
In-Reply-To: <50B4FDD9.5030108@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <201211261751.qAQHpFOR024710@databaseadvisors.com>
	<3026C7D3773B4DEBACDB95033CD09A97@HAL9007>
	<7D6E532028614C6BBD2C2179695E09DC@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<00f001cdccbe$9bbd2810$d3377830$@net>
	<50B4FDD9.5030108@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <017101cdccdf$6aed6ad0$40c84070$@net>

Not so when you lop-off the standard 30% for benefits.
Nonetheless, shouldn't the rates be going up as us "old folk" retire and
there are fewer experts remaining ?

>
> LOL, probably.  $40 / hour for an Access programmer (through a service)
> is actually pretty good.  In
> fact, if you use 2080 hours / year that turns into $83 K / year which
> is pretty darned good for an
> Access programmer no matter how you cut it.
>



From charlotte.foust at gmail.com  Tue Nov 27 14:54:56 2012
From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2012 12:54:56 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Need for an Access programmer
In-Reply-To: <1354041313.668608635@f178.mail.ru>
References: <50B4FDD9.5030108@colbyconsulting.com>
	<201211261751.qAQHpFOR024710@databaseadvisors.com>
	<CAHMet_MKhuPsgw1=cqmmKprJqF-p0J6sHi=0d5aCgEmJrCfqw@mail.gmail.com>
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Either,

Charlotte

On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 10:35 AM, Salakhetdinov Shamil <mcp2004 at mail.ru>wrote:

> Full-time and employed,  or contract/consultant?
>
> Thank you.
>
> -- Shamil
>
> Tue 27 Nov 2012 10:22:52 ?? Charlotte Foust <charlotte.foust at gmail.com>:
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> >
>
>
>
> >I haven't seen anything near $40 for an Access programmer out here.
> >
>  Everyone wants C# and the rates run about $35 - $40 / hour.
> >
>
> >
> Charlotte
> >
>
> >
> On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 9:52 AM, jwcolby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com
> >wrote:
> >
>
> >
> > LOL, probably.  $40 / hour for an Access programmer (through a service)
> is
> >
> > actually pretty good.  In fact, if you use 2080 hours / year that turns
> >
> > into $83 K / year which is pretty darned good for an Access programmer no
> >
> > matter how you cut it.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > John W. Colby
> >
> > Colby Consulting
> >
> >
> >
> > Reality is what refuses to go away
> >
> > when you do not believe in it
> >
> >
> >
> > On 11/27/2012 11:45 AM, Mark Simms wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >> Omigosh - a warning about TekSystems...they're very greedy.
> >
> >> It's likely they're charging the client at least $70.
> >
> >>
> >
> >>
> >
> >>  -----Original Message-----
> >
> >>> From: accessd-bounces@**databaseadvisors.com<
> accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com>[mailto:
> >
> >>> accessd-
> >
> >>> bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
> >
> >>> Sent: Monday, November 26, 2012 11:03 PM
> >
> >>> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> >
> >>> Subject: [AccessD] Need for an Access programmer
> >
> >>>
> >
> >>> A company in Durham, North Carolina needs an Access programmer. The
> >
> >>> rate of
> >
> >>> pay stated is $40.00 per hour.
> >
> >>>
> >
> >>> <a href="http://information-technology.xn--**thingamajob-.com/jobs/North-"
> target="_blank">http://information-technology.**
> thingamajob.com/jobs/North-<
> http://information-technology.thingamajob.com/jobs/North->
> >
> >>> Carolina/Access-Dev
> >
> >>> eloper/2705079
> >
> >>>
> >
> >>> Jim
> >
> >>>
> >
> >>> --
> >
> >>> AccessD mailing list
> >
> >>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> >
> >>> <a href="http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/accessd"
> target="_blank">http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/accessd<
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd>
> >
> >>> Website: <a href="http://www.databaseadvisors.xn--**com"
> target="_blank">http://www.databaseadvisors.**com<
> http://www.databaseadvisors.com>
> >
> >>>
> >
> >>
> >
> >>
> >
> >>
> >
> > --
> >
> > AccessD mailing list
> >
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> >
> > <a href="http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/accessd"
> target="_blank">http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/accessd<
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd>
> >
> > Website: <a href="http://www.databaseadvisors.xn--**com"
> target="_blank">http://www.databaseadvisors.**com<
> http://www.databaseadvisors.com>
> >
> >
> >
> --
> >
> AccessD mailing list
> >
> >AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> >
> >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> >
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
> >
>
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> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
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> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>

From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Tue Nov 27 16:05:17 2012
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2012 08:05:17 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Closure on the String to Date topic
In-Reply-To: <1354038634.893878380@f11.mail.ru>
References: <50B4414C.6971.27B3C090@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>,
	<CAEPJO1iq54BEj_vNDyKXLaPMV-Vgx=JjU1C9cC83r2QYa4B6w@mail.gmail.com>,
	<1354038634.893878380@f11.mail.ru>
Message-ID: <50B5391D.18784.2B7BCA45@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

Such one line functions are very useful where 

1. You are not using them many times in a loop, but multiple times at various places in your 
application

2. You want easy to read code with descriptive function names for maintenance purposes.

3.  You want to save repeatedly typing an long, complicated function  :->   


It would be nice if VBA had Macro capabilities like C / C++ and PowerBasic - to name a few. 
Then you could get the same advantages without the overhead of the function call

I use BoM(Date()) and EOM(Date()) frequently as default values in text boxes on Report 
Menus.   It is a lot more obvious what the code does and the time is irrelevant. (and I am less 
likely to make a typo when entering it <g>)


-- 
Stuart    

On 27 Nov 2012 at 21:50, Salakhetdinov Shamil wrote:

> Hi Arthur and Stuart,
> 
> Here is a bit quicker version of EoM :)
> 
> Public Function EoM2(dt As Date) EoM2 = DateSerial(Year(dt), Month(dt)
> + 1, 0) End FunctionIf a bit more seriously what's the use of such one
> line function(s)? - as you can find from the test results below almost
> 25% of time is spent to pass parameter(s) and to get return value. Of
> course that are just microseconds but imagine you have a lot of such
> "one-liners" and they are called in cycles etc. 
> 
> Thank you.
> 
> -- Shamil
> 
> P.S. Tests results:
> 
> EoM: Elapsed time = 0.140625
> EoM2: Elapsed time = 0.125
> Inline: DateSerial(Year(dt), Month(dt) + 1, 0): Elapsed time = 0.09375P.P.S. Test code:
> 
> Option Compare Database
> Public Sub Test()
> Const MAX_COUNT As Long = 100000
> Dim startTime As Single
> Dim endTime As Single
> Dim counter As Long
> Dim testName As String
> Dim result As Date
> Dim dt As Date
> dt = Now
> ' EoM
> testName = "EoM"
> startTime = Timer
> For counter = 1 To MAX_COUNT
> result = EoM(dt)
> Next counter
> endTime = Timer
> Debug.Print testName & ": Elapsed time = " & (endTime - startTime)
> ' EoM2
> testName = "EoM2"
> startTime = Timer
> For counter = 1 To MAX_COUNT
> result = EoM2(dt)
> Next counter
> endTime = Timer
> Debug.Print testName & ": Elapsed time = " & (endTime - startTime)
> ' Inline: DateSerial(Year(dt), Month(dt) + 1, 0)
> testName = "Inline: DateSerial(Year(dt), Month(dt) + 1, 0)"
> startTime = Timer
> For counter = 1 To MAX_COUNT
> result = DateSerial(Year(dt), Month(dt) + 1, 0)
> Next counter
> endTime = Timer
> Debug.Print testName & ": Elapsed time = " & (endTime - startTime)
> End Sub
> Public Function EoM(dt As Date)
> EoM = DateSerial(Year(dt), Month(dt) + 1, 1) - 1
> End Function
> Public Function EoM2(dt As Date)
> EoM2 = DateSerial(Year(dt), Month(dt) + 1, 0)
> End Function
> 
> 
> Tue 27 Nov 2012 00:08:11  Arthur Fuller <fuller.artful at gmail.com>:
> >	
> >
> >
> 	
> 	
> >
> 		
> 		
> 			
> >There we go. Thanks!
> >
> 
> >
> 
> >
> On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 11:27 PM, Stuart McLachlan
> >
> <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg>wrote:
> >
> 
> >
> > Alternative (simpler?)  functions:
> >
> >
> >
> > Public Function BoM(dt As Date) As Date
> >
> >     BoM = DateSerial(year(dt),month(dt),1)
> >
> > End Function
> >
> >
> >
> > Public Function BoY(dt As Date) As Date
> >
> >      BoY = DateSerial(year(dt),1,1)
> >
> >  End Function
> >
> >
> >
> > Public Function EoY(dt As Date) As Date
> >
> >      EoY = Dateserial(year(dt),12,31)
> >
> > End Function
> >
> >
> >
> > Public Function EoM(dt as date)
> >
> >   EOM =  DateSerial(year(dt),month(dt) +1,1) -1
> >
> > End Function
> >
> >
> >
> >
> ><<< skipped >>>
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From darren at activebilling.com.au  Tue Nov 27 17:08:28 2012
From: darren at activebilling.com.au (Darren)
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2012 10:08:28 +1100
Subject: [AccessD] A2002: DateAdd From a Combo box
Message-ID: <02ff01cdccf4$1eba8840$5c2f98c0$@activebilling.com.au>

Hi Y'all

I am storing some DateAdd functions in a 2 column table to give users a list
of choices for automatically creating a new "next due date"
Values in the table look like this

DateAddDescription   DateAddvalue
-----------------------------------------------------
Every Day                     DateAdd("d",1,NextDueDate)
Every Week                  DateAdd("d",7,NextDueDate)
Every Month                DateAdd("m",1,NextDueDate)
Every 3 Months           DateAdd("m",3,NextDueDate)
Every 6 Months           DateAdd("m",6,NextDueDate)

When a user selects one of these items from the combo I'd like the actual
Date Add function selected, to be applied to the actual "next due date" on
the form 
Assume the "next due date" is blank in a new record, once a user selects a
value from the combo, say....the 4th one
      DateAdd("m",1,NextDueDate)
I'd like the new due date on the form to be "2013-2-28"
Make sense?
Many thanks in advance
Darren


From mcp2004 at mail.ru  Tue Nov 27 17:10:25 2012
From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=)
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2012 03:10:25 +0400
Subject: [AccessD] =?utf-8?q?Closure_on_the_String_to_Date_topic?=
In-Reply-To: <50B5391D.18784.2B7BCA45@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <1354038634.893878380@f11.mail.ru>
	<50B4414C.6971.27B3C090@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>,
	<50B5391D.18784.2B7BCA45@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <1354057825.266088291@f325.mail.ru>

Thank you, Stuart,

Yes, your (1), (2) and (3) are common (good old) reasons to use "one-liners".
I used to use them in the past.
But AFAIS nowadays development (within .NET) puts (2) and (3) under an (big) question mark:

(2) - "easy to read one-liners" used in many places in one's code base and stored in different code libraries/assemblies could result in (significantly) higher maintenance costs;
(3) - advanced intellisense helps developers to quickly type long complicated "one-liners".

And (1) doesn't matter that much as .NET compilers/builders can optimize "one-liners"' calls by calling their code directly...

Still "one-liners" can be used but better not stored in a separate code library/assembly - in this case their usage becomes very similar to C/C++ macros/templates...

-- Shamil

Wed 28 Nov 2012 08:05:17 ?? "Stuart McLachlan" <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg>:
>	
>
>
	
	
>
		
		
			
>Such one line functions are very useful where 
>

>
1. You are not using them many times in a loop, but multiple times at various places in your 
>
application
>

>
2. You want easy to read code with descriptive function names for maintenance purposes.
>

>
3.  You want to save repeatedly typing an long, complicated function  :-> 
>

>

>
It would be nice if VBA had Macro capabilities like C / C++ and PowerBasic - to name a few. 
>
Then you could get the same advantages without the overhead of the function call
>

>
I use BoM(Date()) and EOM(Date()) frequently as default values in text boxes on Report 
>
Menus.   It is a lot more obvious what the code does and the time is irrelevant. (and I am less 
>
likely to make a typo when entering it <g>)
>

>

>
-- 
>
Stuart 
>

>
On 27 Nov 2012 at 21:50, Salakhetdinov Shamil wrote:
>

>
> Hi Arthur and Stuart,
>
> 
>
> Here is a bit quicker version of EoM :)
>
> 
>
> Public Function EoM2(dt As Date) EoM2 = DateSerial(Year(dt), Month(dt)
>
> + 1, 0) End FunctionIf a bit more seriously what's the use of such one
>
> line function(s)? - as you can find from the test results below almost
>
> 25% of time is spent to pass parameter(s) and to get return value. Of
>
> course that are just microseconds but imagine you have a lot of such
>
> "one-liners" and they are called in cycles etc. 
>
> 
>
> Thank you.
>
> 
>
> -- Shamil
>
> 
>
> P.S. Tests results:
>
> 
>
> EoM: Elapsed time = 0.140625
>
> EoM2: Elapsed time = 0.125
>
> Inline: DateSerial(Year(dt), Month(dt) + 1, 0): Elapsed time = 0.09375P.P.S. Test code:
>
> 
>
> Option Compare Database
>
> Public Sub Test()
>
> Const MAX_COUNT As Long = 100000
>
> Dim startTime As Single
>
> Dim endTime As Single
>
> Dim counter As Long
>
> Dim testName As String
>
> Dim result As Date
>
> Dim dt As Date
>
> dt = Now
>
> ' EoM
>
> testName = "EoM"
>
> startTime = Timer
>
> For counter = 1 To MAX_COUNT
>
> result = EoM(dt)
>
> Next counter
>
> endTime = Timer
>
> Debug.Print testName & ": Elapsed time = " & (endTime - startTime)
>
> ' EoM2
>
> testName = "EoM2"
>
> startTime = Timer
>
> For counter = 1 To MAX_COUNT
>
> result = EoM2(dt)
>
> Next counter
>
> endTime = Timer
>
> Debug.Print testName & ": Elapsed time = " & (endTime - startTime)
>
> ' Inline: DateSerial(Year(dt), Month(dt) + 1, 0)
>
> testName = "Inline: DateSerial(Year(dt), Month(dt) + 1, 0)"
>
> startTime = Timer
>
> For counter = 1 To MAX_COUNT
>
> result = DateSerial(Year(dt), Month(dt) + 1, 0)
>
> Next counter
>
> endTime = Timer
>
> Debug.Print testName & ": Elapsed time = " & (endTime - startTime)
>
> End Sub
>
> Public Function EoM(dt As Date)
>
> EoM = DateSerial(Year(dt), Month(dt) + 1, 1) - 1
>
> End Function
>
> Public Function EoM2(dt As Date)
>
> EoM2 = DateSerial(Year(dt), Month(dt) + 1, 0)
>
> End Function
>
> 
>
> 
>
> Tue 27 Nov 2012 00:08:11  Arthur Fuller <fuller.artful at gmail.com>:
>
> >	
>
> >
>
> >
>
> 	
>
> 	
>
> >
>
> 		
>
> 		
>
> 			
>
> >There we go. Thanks!
>
> >
>
> 
>
> >
>
> 
>
> >
>
> On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 11:27 PM, Stuart McLachlan
>
> >
>
> <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg>wrote:
>
> >
>
> 
>
> >
>
> > Alternative (simpler?)  functions:
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > Public Function BoM(dt As Date) As Date
>
> >
>
> >     BoM = DateSerial(year(dt),month(dt),1)
>
> >
>
> > End Function
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > Public Function BoY(dt As Date) As Date
>
> >
>
> >      BoY = DateSerial(year(dt),1,1)
>
> >
>
> >  End Function
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > Public Function EoY(dt As Date) As Date
>
> >
>
> >      EoY = Dateserial(year(dt),12,31)
>
> >
>
> > End Function
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > Public Function EoM(dt as date)
>
> >
>
> >   EOM =  DateSerial(year(dt),month(dt) +1,1) -1
>
> >
>
> > End Function
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> ><<< skipped >>>
>
> -- 
>
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>
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>
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>
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>

>

>

>
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>
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>


From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Tue Nov 27 17:25:45 2012
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2012 18:25:45 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Closure on the String to Date topic
In-Reply-To: <1354057825.266088291@f325.mail.ru>
References: <1354038634.893878380@f11.mail.ru>
	<50B4414C.6971.27B3C090@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<50B5391D.18784.2B7BCA45@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<1354057825.266088291@f325.mail.ru>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1h10DWqp26a408oYQnN2ruFCk5tnSQ8bD95=4=1oLe-sg@mail.gmail.com>

This thread accomplished exactly my twin goals:

a) to reinvigorate some traffic here, and
b) to invite superior contributions, and
c) to demonstrate to new visitors why this newsgroup is worth visiting and
revisiting on a daily basis.

As I wrote in the first message on this thread, I whipped these functions
up in a total investment of about five minutes, perhaps six. And several of
you have responded with much more intelligent solutions, and Thank You!

This is what this list is all about, and I harken back to our origins.
Further, I hope that a thread such as this one might prove useful and
instructive to newcomers to this list.

In short, thank you all for your revisions and enhancements and
code-condensations. With any luck, a few newbies to our site might visit
this thread and realize how we work together toward the optimal solutions.

I posed an initial problem and potential solution, and then received
several more optimal approaches toward the goal. I am not humiliated by the
more optimal solutions; in fact I am invigorated by them! And I think that
if this group is to survive, this is our path to usefulness and ultimately,
survival.

Thank you all for your contributions and enhancements to my admittedly
primitive code. That's why we gather here!

A,

From davidmcafee at gmail.com  Tue Nov 27 17:37:53 2012
From: davidmcafee at gmail.com (David McAfee)
Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2012 15:37:53 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] A2002: DateAdd From a Combo box
In-Reply-To: <02ff01cdccf4$1eba8840$5c2f98c0$@activebilling.com.au>
References: <02ff01cdccf4$1eba8840$5c2f98c0$@activebilling.com.au>
Message-ID: <CAMhYZWZ+fhpVH5pNzKatvrjaCWDk3_VMDYMifcT-6P=XDOVNOg@mail.gmail.com>

I do something similar for determining our machine warranties, but I have
an integer column that represents the numbers of days (even for months and
years).

I simply join that table to my queries and do a DateAdd using the field.

I'm sure others will chime in with other/better ideas, but that's what I do.



On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 3:08 PM, Darren <darren at activebilling.com.au> wrote:

> Hi Y'all
>
> I am storing some DateAdd functions in a 2 column table to give users a
> list
> of choices for automatically creating a new "next due date"
> Values in the table look like this
>
> DateAddDescription   DateAddvalue
> -----------------------------------------------------
> Every Day                     DateAdd("d",1,NextDueDate)
> Every Week                  DateAdd("d",7,NextDueDate)
> Every Month                DateAdd("m",1,NextDueDate)
> Every 3 Months           DateAdd("m",3,NextDueDate)
> Every 6 Months           DateAdd("m",6,NextDueDate)
>
> When a user selects one of these items from the combo I'd like the actual
> Date Add function selected, to be applied to the actual "next due date" on
> the form
> Assume the "next due date" is blank in a new record, once a user selects a
> value from the combo, say....the 4th one
>       DateAdd("m",1,NextDueDate)
> I'd like the new due date on the form to be "2013-2-28"
> Make sense?
> Many thanks in advance
> Darren
>

From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Tue Nov 27 17:40:34 2012
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2012 15:40:34 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] A2002: DateAdd From a Combo box
In-Reply-To: <02ff01cdccf4$1eba8840$5c2f98c0$@activebilling.com.au>
References: <02ff01cdccf4$1eba8840$5c2f98c0$@activebilling.com.au>
Message-ID: <09CD4682077B4257ABC6EE06D6D6D938@HAL9007>

How about a hidden column in the combo box with a sequence number and when
the user selects one from the combo box, in the after update event put a
Select Case and run the Date Add that you want?

Rocky
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darren
Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2012 3:08 PM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] A2002: DateAdd From a Combo box

Hi Y'all

I am storing some DateAdd functions in a 2 column table to give users a list
of choices for automatically creating a new "next due date"
Values in the table look like this

DateAddDescription   DateAddvalue
-----------------------------------------------------
Every Day                     DateAdd("d",1,NextDueDate)
Every Week                  DateAdd("d",7,NextDueDate)
Every Month                DateAdd("m",1,NextDueDate)
Every 3 Months           DateAdd("m",3,NextDueDate)
Every 6 Months           DateAdd("m",6,NextDueDate)

When a user selects one of these items from the combo I'd like the actual
Date Add function selected, to be applied to the actual "next due date" on
the form Assume the "next due date" is blank in a new record, once a user
selects a value from the combo, say....the 4th one
      DateAdd("m",1,NextDueDate)
I'd like the new due date on the form to be "2013-2-28"
Make sense?
Many thanks in advance
Darren

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From darren at activebilling.com.au  Tue Nov 27 18:04:07 2012
From: darren at activebilling.com.au (Darren)
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2012 11:04:07 +1100
Subject: [AccessD] Closure on the String to Date topic
Message-ID: <033601cdccfb$e46033e0$ad209ba0$@activebilling.com.au>

Yep, 
That's (exactly) why we gather here!

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Wednesday, 28 November 2012 10:26 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Closure on the String to Date topic

This thread accomplished exactly my twin goals:

a) to reinvigorate some traffic here, and
b) to invite superior contributions, and
c) to demonstrate to new visitors why this newsgroup is worth visiting and
revisiting on a daily basis.

As I wrote in the first message on this thread, I whipped these functions up
in a total investment of about five minutes, perhaps six. And several of you
have responded with much more intelligent solutions, and Thank You!

This is what this list is all about, and I harken back to our origins.
Further, I hope that a thread such as this one might prove useful and
instructive to newcomers to this list.

In short, thank you all for your revisions and enhancements and
code-condensations. With any luck, a few newbies to our site might visit
this thread and realize how we work together toward the optimal solutions.

I posed an initial problem and potential solution, and then received several
more optimal approaches toward the goal. I am not humiliated by the more
optimal solutions; in fact I am invigorated by them! And I think that if
this group is to survive, this is our path to usefulness and ultimately,
survival.

Thank you all for your contributions and enhancements to my admittedly
primitive code. That's why we gather here!

A,
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From darren at activebilling.com.au  Tue Nov 27 18:04:07 2012
From: darren at activebilling.com.au (Darren)
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2012 11:04:07 +1100
Subject: [AccessD] A2002: DateAdd From a Combo box
In-Reply-To: <09CD4682077B4257ABC6EE06D6D6D938@HAL9007>
References: <02ff01cdccf4$1eba8840$5c2f98c0$@activebilling.com.au>
	<09CD4682077B4257ABC6EE06D6D6D938@HAL9007>
Message-ID: <033701cdccfb$e4f87c40$aee974c0$@activebilling.com.au>

Hi David and Rocky

Thanks for the swift replies.

David, I may need to look at your method.
Problem is, general users will be 'adding or editing' these items for the
combo (via a popup).
So I think it would mean writing more code (mids and lefts etc.) to
determine the bits (Integers/months) from the Date Add function.
I don't really want them doing the individual data entry for the
integers/months. The DateAdd edits are more than enough.

Rocky, yes that's what I'm trying to do -  without the case functions. So
something like...

Me.txtNewDateDue = DateAdd("m", 2, Now())

Works fine - But how do I do...

Me.txtNewDateDue = Me.cboDateAddValue.Column(1)

Many thanks in advance

Darren

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Wednesday, 28 November 2012 10:41 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2002: DateAdd From a Combo box

How about a hidden column in the combo box with a sequence number and when
the user selects one from the combo box, in the after update event put a
Select Case and run the Date Add that you want?

Rocky
 

-----Original Message-----From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darren
Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2012 3:08 PM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] A2002: DateAdd From a Combo box

Hi Y'all

I am storing some DateAdd functions in a 2 column table to give users a list
of choices for automatically creating a new "next due date"
Values in the table look like this

DateAddDescription   DateAddvalue
-----------------------------------------------------
Every Day                     DateAdd("d",1,NextDueDate)
Every Week                  DateAdd("d",7,NextDueDate)
Every Month                DateAdd("m",1,NextDueDate)
Every 3 Months           DateAdd("m",3,NextDueDate)
Every 6 Months           DateAdd("m",6,NextDueDate)

When a user selects one of these items from the combo I'd like the actual
Date Add function selected, to be applied to the actual "next due date" on
the form Assume the "next due date" is blank in a new record, once a user
selects a value from the combo, say....the 4th one
      DateAdd("m",1,NextDueDate)
I'd like the new due date on the form to be "2013-2-28"
Make sense?
Many thanks in advance
Darren

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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Tue Nov 27 18:29:06 2012
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2012 16:29:06 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] A2002: DateAdd From a Combo box
In-Reply-To: <033701cdccfb$e4f87c40$aee974c0$@activebilling.com.au>
References: <02ff01cdccf4$1eba8840$5c2f98c0$@activebilling.com.au><09CD4682077B4257ABC6EE06D6D6D938@HAL9007>
	<033701cdccfb$e4f87c40$aee974c0$@activebilling.com.au>
Message-ID: <73592D3CE14647F5866B29CA6694EDEE@HAL9007>

 
I'd use the Select Case Function.  In your combo - 2 columns - width
0";1.5"; row source:

1;Every Day;2;Every Week;3;Every Month;...etc.

Then in the After Update event of the combo box

Select Case Me.ComboBox
     Case 1
          Me.txtNewDateDue = DateAdd("d",1,NextDueDate)
     Case 2
          Me.txtNewDateDue = DateAdd("d",7,NextDueDate)
     .
     .
     .
     .
     .
End Select

That work?

Rocky

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darren
Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2012 4:04 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2002: DateAdd From a Combo box

Hi David and Rocky

Thanks for the swift replies.

David, I may need to look at your method.
Problem is, general users will be 'adding or editing' these items for the
combo (via a popup).
So I think it would mean writing more code (mids and lefts etc.) to
determine the bits (Integers/months) from the Date Add function.
I don't really want them doing the individual data entry for the
integers/months. The DateAdd edits are more than enough.

Rocky, yes that's what I'm trying to do -  without the case functions. So
something like...

Me.txtNewDateDue = DateAdd("m", 2, Now())

Works fine - But how do I do...

Me.txtNewDateDue = Me.cboDateAddValue.Column(1)

Many thanks in advance

Darren

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Wednesday, 28 November 2012 10:41 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2002: DateAdd From a Combo box

How about a hidden column in the combo box with a sequence number and when
the user selects one from the combo box, in the after update event put a
Select Case and run the Date Add that you want?

Rocky
 

-----Original Message-----From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darren
Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2012 3:08 PM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] A2002: DateAdd From a Combo box

Hi Y'all

I am storing some DateAdd functions in a 2 column table to give users a list
of choices for automatically creating a new "next due date"
Values in the table look like this

DateAddDescription   DateAddvalue
-----------------------------------------------------
Every Day                     DateAdd("d",1,NextDueDate)
Every Week                  DateAdd("d",7,NextDueDate)
Every Month                DateAdd("m",1,NextDueDate)
Every 3 Months           DateAdd("m",3,NextDueDate)
Every 6 Months           DateAdd("m",6,NextDueDate)

When a user selects one of these items from the combo I'd like the actual
Date Add function selected, to be applied to the actual "next due date" on
the form Assume the "next due date" is blank in a new record, once a user
selects a value from the combo, say....the 4th one
      DateAdd("m",1,NextDueDate)
I'd like the new due date on the form to be "2013-2-28"
Make sense?
Many thanks in advance
Darren

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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Tue Nov 27 18:47:04 2012
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2012 10:47:04 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] A2002: DateAdd From a Combo box
In-Reply-To: <73592D3CE14647F5866B29CA6694EDEE@HAL9007>
References: <02ff01cdccf4$1eba8840$5c2f98c0$@activebilling.com.au>,
	<033701cdccfb$e4f87c40$aee974c0$@activebilling.com.au>,
	<73592D3CE14647F5866B29CA6694EDEE@HAL9007>
Message-ID: <50B55F08.5233.2C0FE8DF@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>


I'd build the combobox with 3 columns - 2 with length 0 so that they don't display.

 Every Day; "d"; 1
Every Week; "ww";1
Every Month; "m"; 1
Every 3 months; "m", 3
Every 6 months; "m", 6

Then make 
txtNewDate = DateAdd(combo.column(2),combo.column(2),Date())

-- 
Stuart

On 27 Nov 2012 at 16:29, Rocky Smolin wrote:

>  
> I'd use the Select Case Function.  In your combo - 2 columns - width
> 0";1.5"; row source:
> 
> 1;Every Day;2;Every Week;3;Every Month;...etc.
> 
> Then in the After Update event of the combo box
> 
> Select Case Me.ComboBox
>      Case 1
>           Me.txtNewDateDue = DateAdd("d",1,NextDueDate)
>      Case 2
>           Me.txtNewDateDue = DateAdd("d",7,NextDueDate)
>      .
>      .
>      .
>      .
>      .
> End Select
> 
> That work?
> 
> Rocky
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darren
> Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2012 4:04 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2002: DateAdd From a Combo box
> 
> Hi David and Rocky
> 
> Thanks for the swift replies.
> 
> David, I may need to look at your method.
> Problem is, general users will be 'adding or editing' these items for the
> combo (via a popup).
> So I think it would mean writing more code (mids and lefts etc.) to
> determine the bits (Integers/months) from the Date Add function.
> I don't really want them doing the individual data entry for the
> integers/months. The DateAdd edits are more than enough.
> 
> Rocky, yes that's what I'm trying to do -  without the case functions. So
> something like...
> 
> Me.txtNewDateDue = DateAdd("m", 2, Now())
> 
> Works fine - But how do I do...
> 
> Me.txtNewDateDue = Me.cboDateAddValue.Column(1)
> 
> Many thanks in advance
> 
> Darren
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
> Sent: Wednesday, 28 November 2012 10:41 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2002: DateAdd From a Combo box
> 
> How about a hidden column in the combo box with a sequence number and when
> the user selects one from the combo box, in the after update event put a
> Select Case and run the Date Add that you want?
> 
> Rocky
>  
> 
> -----Original Message-----From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darren
> Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2012 3:08 PM
> To: AccessD
> Subject: [AccessD] A2002: DateAdd From a Combo box
> 
> Hi Y'all
> 
> I am storing some DateAdd functions in a 2 column table to give users a list
> of choices for automatically creating a new "next due date"
> Values in the table look like this
> 
> DateAddDescription   DateAddvalue
> -----------------------------------------------------
> Every Day                     DateAdd("d",1,NextDueDate)
> Every Week                  DateAdd("d",7,NextDueDate)
> Every Month                DateAdd("m",1,NextDueDate)
> Every 3 Months           DateAdd("m",3,NextDueDate)
> Every 6 Months           DateAdd("m",6,NextDueDate)
> 
> When a user selects one of these items from the combo I'd like the actual
> Date Add function selected, to be applied to the actual "next due date" on
> the form Assume the "next due date" is blank in a new record, once a user
> selects a value from the combo, say....the 4th one
>       DateAdd("m",1,NextDueDate)
> I'd like the new due date on the form to be "2013-2-28"
> Make sense?
> Many thanks in advance
> Darren
> 
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Tue Nov 27 19:19:08 2012
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2012 17:19:08 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] A2002: DateAdd From a Combo box
In-Reply-To: <50B55F08.5233.2C0FE8DF@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <02ff01cdccf4$1eba8840$5c2f98c0$@activebilling.com.au>,
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	<73592D3CE14647F5866B29CA6694EDEE@HAL9007>
	<50B55F08.5233.2C0FE8DF@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
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Yes, much more compact.   

Rocky


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2012 4:47 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2002: DateAdd From a Combo box


I'd build the combobox with 3 columns - 2 with length 0 so that they don't
display.

 Every Day; "d"; 1
Every Week; "ww";1
Every Month; "m"; 1
Every 3 months; "m", 3
Every 6 months; "m", 6

Then make
txtNewDate = DateAdd(combo.column(2),combo.column(2),Date())

--
Stuart

On 27 Nov 2012 at 16:29, Rocky Smolin wrote:

>  
> I'd use the Select Case Function.  In your combo - 2 columns - width 
> 0";1.5"; row source:
> 
> 1;Every Day;2;Every Week;3;Every Month;...etc.
> 
> Then in the After Update event of the combo box
> 
> Select Case Me.ComboBox
>      Case 1
>           Me.txtNewDateDue = DateAdd("d",1,NextDueDate)
>      Case 2
>           Me.txtNewDateDue = DateAdd("d",7,NextDueDate)
>      .
>      .
>      .
>      .
>      .
> End Select
> 
> That work?
> 
> Rocky
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darren
> Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2012 4:04 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2002: DateAdd From a Combo box
> 
> Hi David and Rocky
> 
> Thanks for the swift replies.
> 
> David, I may need to look at your method.
> Problem is, general users will be 'adding or editing' these items for 
> the combo (via a popup).
> So I think it would mean writing more code (mids and lefts etc.) to 
> determine the bits (Integers/months) from the Date Add function.
> I don't really want them doing the individual data entry for the 
> integers/months. The DateAdd edits are more than enough.
> 
> Rocky, yes that's what I'm trying to do -  without the case functions. 
> So something like...
> 
> Me.txtNewDateDue = DateAdd("m", 2, Now())
> 
> Works fine - But how do I do...
> 
> Me.txtNewDateDue = Me.cboDateAddValue.Column(1)
> 
> Many thanks in advance
> 
> Darren
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky 
> Smolin
> Sent: Wednesday, 28 November 2012 10:41 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2002: DateAdd From a Combo box
> 
> How about a hidden column in the combo box with a sequence number and 
> when the user selects one from the combo box, in the after update 
> event put a Select Case and run the Date Add that you want?
> 
> Rocky
>  
> 
> -----Original Message-----From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darren
> Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2012 3:08 PM
> To: AccessD
> Subject: [AccessD] A2002: DateAdd From a Combo box
> 
> Hi Y'all
> 
> I am storing some DateAdd functions in a 2 column table to give users 
> a list of choices for automatically creating a new "next due date"
> Values in the table look like this
> 
> DateAddDescription   DateAddvalue
> -----------------------------------------------------
> Every Day                     DateAdd("d",1,NextDueDate)
> Every Week                  DateAdd("d",7,NextDueDate)
> Every Month                DateAdd("m",1,NextDueDate)
> Every 3 Months           DateAdd("m",3,NextDueDate)
> Every 6 Months           DateAdd("m",6,NextDueDate)
> 
> When a user selects one of these items from the combo I'd like the 
> actual Date Add function selected, to be applied to the actual "next 
> due date" on the form Assume the "next due date" is blank in a new 
> record, once a user selects a value from the combo, say....the 4th one
>       DateAdd("m",1,NextDueDate)
> I'd like the new due date on the form to be "2013-2-28"
> Make sense?
> Many thanks in advance
> Darren
> 
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From marksimms at verizon.net  Tue Nov 27 19:21:59 2012
From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms)
Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2012 20:21:59 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Need for an Access programmer
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	<93D10F008B998B4A83BCA855A33EEF372C895256@CINMBCNA01.e2k.ad.ge.com>
	<00ee01cdccbd$c7872320$56956960$@net>
	<CAGuQ9V7LS8WYhvQ6mbVia9CdJsiPqCaipCFa1BvjapdDYw2TjA@mail.gmail.com>
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Very interesting comment. My comment: the "new" agency model minimizes the
importance.
Agencies are out there for themselves and their clients.
Consultants are low man on the totum pole so-to-speak.
I've witnessed much abusive behavior over the past 3 years.

> Connections are also important.... networking.
>
> Regards,
> BILL



From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Wed Nov 28 01:40:36 2012
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2012 07:40:36 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] A2002: DateAdd From a Combo box
In-Reply-To: <F5C344C350234FB5A5CCE6F0045C7B10@HAL9007>
Message-ID: <522B3ED88F4B4CAE960BD0EC935BBB94@MINSTER>

Hi Darren, old sport, how're you doing

Another thought, and I've not tried it, but could you Eval the second column
of the combo value they select? Something like:

NewDate = Eval(me.combo.column(1))

As I say I haven't tried it but might have legs.

Cheers

Andy

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: 28 November 2012 01:19
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2002: DateAdd From a Combo box


Yes, much more compact.   

Rocky


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2012 4:47 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2002: DateAdd From a Combo box


I'd build the combobox with 3 columns - 2 with length 0 so that they don't
display.

 Every Day; "d"; 1
Every Week; "ww";1
Every Month; "m"; 1
Every 3 months; "m", 3
Every 6 months; "m", 6

Then make
txtNewDate = DateAdd(combo.column(2),combo.column(2),Date())

--
Stuart

On 27 Nov 2012 at 16:29, Rocky Smolin wrote:

>  
> I'd use the Select Case Function.  In your combo - 2 columns - width 
> 0";1.5"; row source:
> 
> 1;Every Day;2;Every Week;3;Every Month;...etc.
> 
> Then in the After Update event of the combo box
> 
> Select Case Me.ComboBox
>      Case 1
>           Me.txtNewDateDue = DateAdd("d",1,NextDueDate)
>      Case 2
>           Me.txtNewDateDue = DateAdd("d",7,NextDueDate)
>      .
>      .
>      .
>      .
>      .
> End Select
> 
> That work?
> 
> Rocky
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darren
> Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2012 4:04 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2002: DateAdd From a Combo box
> 
> Hi David and Rocky
> 
> Thanks for the swift replies.
> 
> David, I may need to look at your method.
> Problem is, general users will be 'adding or editing' these items for 
> the combo (via a popup).
> So I think it would mean writing more code (mids and lefts etc.) to 
> determine the bits (Integers/months) from the Date Add function.
> I don't really want them doing the individual data entry for the 
> integers/months. The DateAdd edits are more than enough.
> 
> Rocky, yes that's what I'm trying to do -  without the case functions. 
> So something like...
> 
> Me.txtNewDateDue = DateAdd("m", 2, Now())
> 
> Works fine - But how do I do...
> 
> Me.txtNewDateDue = Me.cboDateAddValue.Column(1)
> 
> Many thanks in advance
> 
> Darren
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky 
> Smolin
> Sent: Wednesday, 28 November 2012 10:41 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2002: DateAdd From a Combo box
> 
> How about a hidden column in the combo box with a sequence number and 
> when the user selects one from the combo box, in the after update 
> event put a Select Case and run the Date Add that you want?
> 
> Rocky
>  
> 
> -----Original Message-----From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darren
> Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2012 3:08 PM
> To: AccessD
> Subject: [AccessD] A2002: DateAdd From a Combo box
> 
> Hi Y'all
> 
> I am storing some DateAdd functions in a 2 column table to give users 
> a list of choices for automatically creating a new "next due date"
> Values in the table look like this
> 
> DateAddDescription   DateAddvalue
> -----------------------------------------------------
> Every Day                     DateAdd("d",1,NextDueDate)
> Every Week                  DateAdd("d",7,NextDueDate)
> Every Month                DateAdd("m",1,NextDueDate)
> Every 3 Months           DateAdd("m",3,NextDueDate)
> Every 6 Months           DateAdd("m",6,NextDueDate)
> 
> When a user selects one of these items from the combo I'd like the 
> actual Date Add function selected, to be applied to the actual "next 
> due date" on the form Assume the "next due date" is blank in a new 
> record, once a user selects a value from the combo, say....the 4th one
>       DateAdd("m",1,NextDueDate)
> I'd like the new due date on the form to be "2013-2-28"
> Make sense?
> Many thanks in advance
> Darren
> 
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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Wed Nov 28 02:01:34 2012
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2012 03:01:34 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] [SPAM] Re: Error trying to install MzTools
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Success at last. MzTools is working once again, thanks to all. I had
totally forgotten about its setup program  but thanks to this list I am
once again a happy camper.

A,

From mcp2004 at mail.ru  Wed Nov 28 02:07:59 2012
From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=)
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2012 12:07:59 +0400
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Hi Arthur --

To satisfy your twin goals even more the "one-liners" and other useful utility/generic small VBA/VB6 functions a seasoned MS Access/Office/VB6 developer uses everyday can be posted and discussed here (or in dba-VB?) and then converted to VB.NET (they call it Visual Basic now) and C#. From that conversions one can find that even such a small code snippets might go through significant code refactoring till they get .NET-native programming style shape. In P.S. is the example for some of your functions. They can be tested in LINQPad:?http://www.linqpad.net/?. Just 

- download and unzip its archive, 
- run LINQPad.exe, 
- select "VB Program" in [Language] combo;
- copy and past code snippet from P.S. (watch line wraps);
- push F4 and select [Additional Namespace Imports] in popped-up dialog window;
- "Microsoft.VisualBasic" without quotes in [List each namespace in a separate line] textbox;
- close popup window;
- push [F5];
- watch the test run results to appear in the bottom in [Results] window;
- save code snippet under "Access-D Code Snippets - DateTime utility functions sample 1".vb

The code in P.S. is a literal "dumb" conversion. To become .NET-native style coding one it have to be refactored. To do that conversion (in lazy mode) and discuss it this thread can be continued in dba-VB.

NB: LINQPad has intellisense enabled in Premium version only and for C# only. Anyway LINQPad is a rather useful tool to test code snippets without using Visual Studio,

Thank you.

-- Shamil


P.S.

Sub Main
Test()
End Sub
Public sub Debug_Print(byval text as string)
text.dump()
end sub
public readonly property Timer as single
get
return DateAndTime.Timer
end get
end property
Public Sub Test()
Const MAX_COUNT As Long = 1000000
Dim startTime As single
Dim endTime As single
Dim counter As Long
Dim testName As String
Dim result As Date
Dim dt As Date
' i7/4 cores notebook (avg) results:
'EoM: Elapsed time = 0.65625
'EoM2: Elapsed time = 0.7265625
'Inline: DateSerial(Year(dt), Month(dt) + 1, 0): Elapsed time = 0.6953125
' EoM
testName = "EoM"
startTime = Timer
For counter = 1 To MAX_COUNT
result = EoM(dt)
Next counter
endTime = Timer
Debug_Print (testName + ": Elapsed time = " + (endTime - startTime).ToString())
' EoM2
testName = "EoM2"
startTime = Timer
For counter = 1 To MAX_COUNT
result = EoM2(dt)
Next counter
endTime = Timer
Debug_Print (testName & ": Elapsed time = " & (endTime - startTime))
' Inline: DateSerial(Year(dt), Month(dt) + 1, 0)
testName = "Inline: DateSerial(Year(dt), Month(dt) + 1, 0)"
startTime = Timer
For counter = 1 To MAX_COUNT
result = DateAndTime.DateSerial(DateAndTime.Year(dt), DateAndTime.Month(dt) + 1, 0)
Next counter
endTime = Timer
Debug_Print (testName & ": Elapsed time = " & (endTime - startTime))

End Sub
Public Function EoM(dt As Date)
EoM = DateAndTime.DateAdd("d", -1.0, DateAndTime.DateSerial(DateAndTime.Year(dt), DateAndTime.Month(dt) + 1, 1))
End Function
Public Function EoM2(dt As Date)
EoM2 = DateAndTime.DateSerial(DateAndTime.Year(dt), DateAndTime.Month(dt) + 1, 0)
End Function


Tue 27 Nov 2012 18:25:45 ?? Arthur Fuller <fuller.artful at gmail.com>:
>	
>
>
	
	
>
		
		
			
>This thread accomplished exactly my twin goals:
>

>
a) to reinvigorate some traffic here, and
>
b) to invite superior contributions, and
>
c) to demonstrate to new visitors why this newsgroup is worth visiting and
>
revisiting on a daily basis.
>

>
As I wrote in the first message on this thread, I whipped these functions
>
up in a total investment of about five minutes, perhaps six. And several of
>
you have responded with much more intelligent solutions, and Thank You!
>

>
This is what this list is all about, and I harken back to our origins.
>
Further, I hope that a thread such as this one might prove useful and
>
instructive to newcomers to this list.
>

>
In short, thank you all for your revisions and enhancements and
>
code-condensations. With any luck, a few newbies to our site might visit
>
this thread and realize how we work together toward the optimal solutions.
>

>
I posed an initial problem and potential solution, and then received
>
several more optimal approaches toward the goal. I am not humiliated by the
>
more optimal solutions; in fact I am invigorated by them! And I think that
>
if this group is to survive, this is our path to usefulness and ultimately,
>
survival.
>

>
Thank you all for your contributions and enhancements to my admittedly
>
primitive code. That's why we gather here!
>

>
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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Wed Nov 28 03:02:22 2012
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2012 04:02:22 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Closure on the String to Date topic
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Thanks, Shamil!
A.

From darren at activebilling.com.au  Wed Nov 28 06:47:41 2012
From: darren at activebilling.com.au (Darren)
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2012 23:47:41 +1100
Subject: [AccessD] A2002: DateAdd From a Combo box
In-Reply-To: <522B3ED88F4B4CAE960BD0EC935BBB94@MINSTER>
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Hey Andy,
Thanks for the reply
Mate, life is brilliant - livin' the dream - how could you not, when living
here in paradise (And no - Still no passport :-))

I tried this

	Dim dtNewDate 
	Debug.Print Me.cmbUpdateDueDate.Column(2)
	dtNewDate = Eval(Me.cmbUpdateDueDate.Column(2))
	MsgBox dtNewDate

This is the result of the debug.print 
	DateAdd("m", 3, NextDueDate)

Anyway - I got an error error about the field NextDueDate not being found.
But It does exist
If I write .......Msgbox DateAdd("m", 3, NextDueDate) 
in the immediate window - I get a result
I even tried tried adding 'Me.' In front of the Field Name in the stored
Date Add - no Joy there either

Many thanks

Darren


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andy Lacey
Sent: Wednesday, 28 November 2012 6:41 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2002: DateAdd From a Combo box

Hi Darren, old sport, how're you doing

Another thought, and I've not tried it, but could you Eval the second column
of the combo value they select? Something like:

NewDate = Eval(me.combo.column(1))

As I say I haven't tried it but might have legs.

Cheers

Andy

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: 28 November 2012 01:19
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2002: DateAdd From a Combo box


Yes, much more compact.   

Rocky


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2012 4:47 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2002: DateAdd From a Combo box


I'd build the combobox with 3 columns - 2 with length 0 so that they don't
display.

 Every Day; "d"; 1
Every Week; "ww";1
Every Month; "m"; 1
Every 3 months; "m", 3
Every 6 months; "m", 6

Then make
txtNewDate = DateAdd(combo.column(2),combo.column(2),Date())

--
Stuart

On 27 Nov 2012 at 16:29, Rocky Smolin wrote:

>  
> I'd use the Select Case Function.  In your combo - 2 columns - width 
> 0";1.5"; row source:
> 
> 1;Every Day;2;Every Week;3;Every Month;...etc.
> 
> Then in the After Update event of the combo box
> 
> Select Case Me.ComboBox
>      Case 1
>           Me.txtNewDateDue = DateAdd("d",1,NextDueDate)
>      Case 2
>           Me.txtNewDateDue = DateAdd("d",7,NextDueDate)
>      .
>      .
>      .
>      .
>      .
> End Select
> 
> That work?
> 
> Rocky
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darren
> Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2012 4:04 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2002: DateAdd From a Combo box
> 
> Hi David and Rocky
> 
> Thanks for the swift replies.
> 
> David, I may need to look at your method.
> Problem is, general users will be 'adding or editing' these items for 
> the combo (via a popup).
> So I think it would mean writing more code (mids and lefts etc.) to 
> determine the bits (Integers/months) from the Date Add function.
> I don't really want them doing the individual data entry for the 
> integers/months. The DateAdd edits are more than enough.
> 
> Rocky, yes that's what I'm trying to do -  without the case functions. 
> So something like...
> 
> Me.txtNewDateDue = DateAdd("m", 2, Now())
> 
> Works fine - But how do I do...
> 
> Me.txtNewDateDue = Me.cboDateAddValue.Column(1)
> 
> Many thanks in advance
> 
> Darren
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky 
> Smolin
> Sent: Wednesday, 28 November 2012 10:41 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2002: DateAdd From a Combo box
> 
> How about a hidden column in the combo box with a sequence number and 
> when the user selects one from the combo box, in the after update 
> event put a Select Case and run the Date Add that you want?
> 
> Rocky
>  
> 
> -----Original Message-----From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darren
> Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2012 3:08 PM
> To: AccessD
> Subject: [AccessD] A2002: DateAdd From a Combo box
> 
> Hi Y'all
> 
> I am storing some DateAdd functions in a 2 column table to give users 
> a list of choices for automatically creating a new "next due date"
> Values in the table look like this
> 
> DateAddDescription   DateAddvalue
> -----------------------------------------------------
> Every Day                     DateAdd("d",1,NextDueDate)
> Every Week                  DateAdd("d",7,NextDueDate)
> Every Month                DateAdd("m",1,NextDueDate)
> Every 3 Months           DateAdd("m",3,NextDueDate)
> Every 6 Months           DateAdd("m",6,NextDueDate)
> 
> When a user selects one of these items from the combo I'd like the 
> actual Date Add function selected, to be applied to the actual "next 
> due date" on the form Assume the "next due date" is blank in a new 
> record, once a user selects a value from the combo, say....the 4th one
>       DateAdd("m",1,NextDueDate)
> I'd like the new due date on the form to be "2013-2-28"
> Make sense?
> Many thanks in advance
> Darren
> 
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From jackandpat.d at gmail.com  Wed Nov 28 06:56:50 2012
From: jackandpat.d at gmail.com (jack drawbridge)
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2012 07:56:50 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] [SPAM] Re: Error trying to install MzTools
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Glad to see you have it working. And nice to know you're a happy camper
@3:00 AM???

On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 3:01 AM, Arthur Fuller <fuller.artful at gmail.com>wrote:

> Success at last. MzTools is working once again, thanks to all. I had
> totally forgotten about its setup program  but thanks to this list I am
> once again a happy camper.
>
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From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Wed Nov 28 07:16:22 2012
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2012 13:16:22 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] A2002: DateAdd From a Combo box
In-Reply-To: <042001cdcd66$8fdf3260$af9d9720$@activebilling.com.au>
Message-ID: <01BA141E232746F288E6E38269BBC1F7@MINSTER>

Hi DD

Got it to work. Sending you a zip file off-line. Take a look. Had to make
the DateAdd functions look not at a vraibale or even form field but at a
function which returns the field off the form. May or may not be what you're
after mate but it's quite neat.

Cheers, and see you next time we're in your hemisphere (as it doesn't look
like you're heading this way any time soon)

Andy


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darren
Sent: 28 November 2012 12:48
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2002: DateAdd From a Combo box


Hey Andy,
Thanks for the reply
Mate, life is brilliant - livin' the dream - how could you not, when living
here in paradise (And no - Still no passport :-))

I tried this

	Dim dtNewDate 
	Debug.Print Me.cmbUpdateDueDate.Column(2)
	dtNewDate = Eval(Me.cmbUpdateDueDate.Column(2))
	MsgBox dtNewDate

This is the result of the debug.print 
	DateAdd("m", 3, NextDueDate)

Anyway - I got an error error about the field NextDueDate not being found.
But It does exist
If I write .......Msgbox DateAdd("m", 3, NextDueDate) 
in the immediate window - I get a result
I even tried tried adding 'Me.' In front of the Field Name in the stored
Date Add - no Joy there either

Many thanks

Darren


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andy Lacey
Sent: Wednesday, 28 November 2012 6:41 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2002: DateAdd From a Combo box

Hi Darren, old sport, how're you doing

Another thought, and I've not tried it, but could you Eval the second column
of the combo value they select? Something like:

NewDate = Eval(me.combo.column(1))

As I say I haven't tried it but might have legs.

Cheers

Andy

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: 28 November 2012 01:19
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2002: DateAdd From a Combo box


Yes, much more compact.   

Rocky


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2012 4:47 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2002: DateAdd From a Combo box


I'd build the combobox with 3 columns - 2 with length 0 so that they don't
display.

 Every Day; "d"; 1
Every Week; "ww";1
Every Month; "m"; 1
Every 3 months; "m", 3
Every 6 months; "m", 6

Then make
txtNewDate = DateAdd(combo.column(2),combo.column(2),Date())

--
Stuart

On 27 Nov 2012 at 16:29, Rocky Smolin wrote:

>  
> I'd use the Select Case Function.  In your combo - 2 columns - width 
> 0";1.5"; row source:
> 
> 1;Every Day;2;Every Week;3;Every Month;...etc.
> 
> Then in the After Update event of the combo box
> 
> Select Case Me.ComboBox
>      Case 1
>           Me.txtNewDateDue = DateAdd("d",1,NextDueDate)
>      Case 2
>           Me.txtNewDateDue = DateAdd("d",7,NextDueDate)
>      .
>      .
>      .
>      .
>      .
> End Select
> 
> That work?
> 
> Rocky
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darren
> Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2012 4:04 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2002: DateAdd From a Combo box
> 
> Hi David and Rocky
> 
> Thanks for the swift replies.
> 
> David, I may need to look at your method.
> Problem is, general users will be 'adding or editing' these items for 
> the combo (via a popup).
> So I think it would mean writing more code (mids and lefts etc.) to 
> determine the bits (Integers/months) from the Date Add function.
> I don't really want them doing the individual data entry for the 
> integers/months. The DateAdd edits are more than enough.
> 
> Rocky, yes that's what I'm trying to do -  without the case functions. 
> So something like...
> 
> Me.txtNewDateDue = DateAdd("m", 2, Now())
> 
> Works fine - But how do I do...
> 
> Me.txtNewDateDue = Me.cboDateAddValue.Column(1)
> 
> Many thanks in advance
> 
> Darren
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky 
> Smolin
> Sent: Wednesday, 28 November 2012 10:41 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2002: DateAdd From a Combo box
> 
> How about a hidden column in the combo box with a sequence number and 
> when the user selects one from the combo box, in the after update 
> event put a Select Case and run the Date Add that you want?
> 
> Rocky
>  
> 
> -----Original Message-----From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darren
> Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2012 3:08 PM
> To: AccessD
> Subject: [AccessD] A2002: DateAdd From a Combo box
> 
> Hi Y'all
> 
> I am storing some DateAdd functions in a 2 column table to give users 
> a list of choices for automatically creating a new "next due date"
> Values in the table look like this
> 
> DateAddDescription   DateAddvalue
> -----------------------------------------------------
> Every Day                     DateAdd("d",1,NextDueDate)
> Every Week                  DateAdd("d",7,NextDueDate)
> Every Month                DateAdd("m",1,NextDueDate)
> Every 3 Months           DateAdd("m",3,NextDueDate)
> Every 6 Months           DateAdd("m",6,NextDueDate)
> 
> When a user selects one of these items from the combo I'd like the 
> actual Date Add function selected, to be applied to the actual "next 
> due date" on the form Assume the "next due date" is blank in a new 
> record, once a user selects a value from the combo, say....the 4th one
>       DateAdd("m",1,NextDueDate)
> I'd like the new due date on the form to be "2013-2-28"
> Make sense?
> Many thanks in advance
> Darren
> 
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From vbacreations at gmail.com  Wed Nov 28 07:19:33 2012
From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson)
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2012 08:19:33 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Need for an Access programmer
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20% reduction for more hours? That is really a masked premium on the short
term request. I like it but I am a little more direct, I tell one client my
minimum schedule is 16 hrs per week. If they blow me off during the week
they are billed 16 hrs regardless. The way I see it, even if I just use the
downtime to think of improvements or do additional testing of work I
already completed or develop my skills (by participating on a Listserv or
discussion forum e.g. :) I am not idle -and I was "ready to serve".

I can't just pick up the phone and drum up replacement clients like a
dental hygenist during a week in which he/she gets a cancellation or two.

Speaking of which... when is the last time anyone has seen a male dental
hygenist. I am not making any stereotypical observations that is a serious
question, do they exist? I have never seen one and I have been in several
dental offices and seen at least 10, none have been male. Now there is a
decent paying profession as an alternative to Access Programming.

...grabled by smrat phonn as ususl
On Nov 27, 2012 1:59 PM, "Jim Dettman" <jimdettman at verizon.net> wrote:

> Bill,
>
>  I'm in the same place and I feel $70 - $80 is more realistic for
> programming services from a lone consultant.
>
>  I've been charging $70/hr now for a number of years (about the past 15)
> and
> give a 20% discount on top of that for a consistent level of work (more
> then
> 16 hours a week in a trailing two week period).  I've been using that setup
> for a long time and I'm able to say that I've never lacked for full time
> work.  The clients I deal with seem to feel that it's not an un-reasonable
> rate.
>
>  I do plan to up my rate Jan 1 to $75 as I think I've fallen behind the
> curve a bit.
>
>  Some companies do charge $130 - $150/hr, but I always see those relations
> as vary contentious.  Clients always feel like their getting ripped off and
> are always arguing over billing.  I think if you peeled all the layers
> away,
> you'd find their not making anywhere near as much as one would think.  So
> much ends up as non-billable.
>
>  In fact that's the way I invoiced long ago and never have a desire to
> return to it.  My rate was double back then and life got far simpler when I
> cut my rate in half.
>
>  Clients got a lot happier and so did I.
>
> FWIW,
> Jim.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Benson
> Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2012 01:33 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Need for an Access programmer
>
> These discussions seem to crop up from time to time and I dont like the
> impression I may be falsely giving. In truth I have only recently gotten
> the courage to ask for 75/hr. I did market research to see that 75 per hr
> is chump change in the B2B consulting world.
>
> I asked someone who runs an IT group here and he told me they bill out at
> about 135 per hour for their consultants. They dont do excel or access
> programming They have no problem paying me 75/hr for building an excel
> solution and don't care if I prefer to use access if it will help them get
> a larger project out the door or provide an interim solution.
>
> So what they really are paying for is results and their main project is
> worth millions and all they know is they have an exposure they dont want to
> have and want me to handle that piece.
>
> My other client has vastly deeper pockets but hiring freezes and constant
> "work-out" sessions so to he keeps telling me that he cant afford me. Then
> asks me to do work anyway and pays me more than my rate as a lump sum yo
> deliver something. And I checked up and found out they pay personnel
> companies well over 100 per hr for talented ppl.
>
> Not sure I know which I would rather be:  (1) consultant with a few clients
> who I can bill a high rate... suffering mixture of feast (late nights and
> high stress) or famine (lots of time on my hands for Listserv posting and
> reading). Or (2) ... a commodity ( i.e. having a skillset only) and go from
> site to site, making a lower wage but perhaps having more certainty where I
> will be at any given time period.
>
> Now that I have jinxed myself by writing this my two clients will probably
> dry up and I will be starving in 2 months and neither option.
>
> Connections are also important.... networking.
>
> Regards,
> BILL
>
>
> ...grabled by smrat phonn as ususl
> On Nov 27, 2012 11:41 AM, "Mark Simms" <marksimms at verizon.net> wrote:
>
> > Not even close here in Philly. Even New York since the financial crisis
> has
> > see a dramatic drop in rates.
> >
> > >
> > > Well that makes me feel a lot better about my consulting rate of
> > > $75/hr...
> > >
> >
> >
> > --
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> --
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> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
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>

From jimdettman at verizon.net  Wed Nov 28 08:25:16 2012
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2012 09:25:16 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Need for an Access programmer
In-Reply-To: <CAGuQ9V6j7YaHHpuuQrzNp5ZFG7yP86=A5y7dCPO1G8HgbFAotA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <201211261751.qAQHpFOR024710@databaseadvisors.com>
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<<20% reduction for more hours? That is really a masked premium on the short
term request.>>

 It's not masked in that I make the same offer to every client right up
front.  I treat all clients exactly the same and their all aware of it.

 I feel if their willing to give me more then 16 hours a week consistently,
they deserve a break at that point. It certainly does entice them to use me
more, which is the point of offering it.  But on the flip side, even my
regular rate is not unreasonable for the level of services I offer ($70/hr
is on the low end of the scale in comparison to most outfits).

<<I tell one client my
minimum schedule is 16 hrs per week. If they blow me off during the week
they are billed 16 hrs regardless. >>

 I don't work on any type of retainer, but strictly by the hour.  I've found
that retainers, flat fees, etc. always get you into trouble at some point.
Don't use contracts either.  If someone doesn't like my work their free to
fire me on the spot (which keeps me on my toes) and I'm free to walk away
from anything (never happened yet as I've been very lucky to have the
clients that I've had - many fall into the "friends" category at this
point).

 And I bill the same for everything; travel, training, technical work,
programming, or whatever.  I take the viewpoint that they pay for my time,
not the specific skill I'm using at the moment.

 Keeps life very simple and straight forward and everyone is happy with the
setup.

 They know they won't get charged any more then exactly what it will take to
get a job done and I get paid for every hour I work.  No scoping out the
project, them making a guess which either ends up over charging them or me
getting the short end of the stick.  If it makes them feel more comfortable
to have a project scoped out, then I will do that, but they pay for that
work by the hour.  There's also no arguing about what's billable and what's
not and projects can change as quickly as needed.

 The only real downside is that it has lead to doing more work for fewer
clients and it's never good to have all your eggs in the same place.  Almost
all my clients I've had from the get go, which is now 28 years.  But many
are retiring, selling off the business, passing away, etc, so I'm now down
to a handful.  Still working 40 hours a week without issue, but I'd like to
have a few more and actually finding time to find new clients has become
difficult.

Jim.  

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Benson
Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2012 08:20 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Need for an Access programmer

20% reduction for more hours? That is really a masked premium on the short
term request. I like it but I am a little more direct, I tell one client my
minimum schedule is 16 hrs per week. If they blow me off during the week
they are billed 16 hrs regardless. The way I see it, even if I just use the
downtime to think of improvements or do additional testing of work I
already completed or develop my skills (by participating on a Listserv or
discussion forum e.g. :) I am not idle -and I was "ready to serve".

I can't just pick up the phone and drum up replacement clients like a
dental hygenist during a week in which he/she gets a cancellation or two.

Speaking of which... when is the last time anyone has seen a male dental
hygenist. I am not making any stereotypical observations that is a serious
question, do they exist? I have never seen one and I have been in several
dental offices and seen at least 10, none have been male. Now there is a
decent paying profession as an alternative to Access Programming.

...grabled by smrat phonn as ususl
On Nov 27, 2012 1:59 PM, "Jim Dettman" <jimdettman at verizon.net> wrote:

> Bill,
>
>  I'm in the same place and I feel $70 - $80 is more realistic for
> programming services from a lone consultant.
>
>  I've been charging $70/hr now for a number of years (about the past 15)
> and
> give a 20% discount on top of that for a consistent level of work (more
> then
> 16 hours a week in a trailing two week period).  I've been using that
setup
> for a long time and I'm able to say that I've never lacked for full time
> work.  The clients I deal with seem to feel that it's not an un-reasonable
> rate.
>
>  I do plan to up my rate Jan 1 to $75 as I think I've fallen behind the
> curve a bit.
>
>  Some companies do charge $130 - $150/hr, but I always see those relations
> as vary contentious.  Clients always feel like their getting ripped off
and
> are always arguing over billing.  I think if you peeled all the layers
> away,
> you'd find their not making anywhere near as much as one would think.  So
> much ends up as non-billable.
>
>  In fact that's the way I invoiced long ago and never have a desire to
> return to it.  My rate was double back then and life got far simpler when
I
> cut my rate in half.
>
>  Clients got a lot happier and so did I.
>
> FWIW,
> Jim.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Benson
> Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2012 01:33 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Need for an Access programmer
>
> These discussions seem to crop up from time to time and I dont like the
> impression I may be falsely giving. In truth I have only recently gotten
> the courage to ask for 75/hr. I did market research to see that 75 per hr
> is chump change in the B2B consulting world.
>
> I asked someone who runs an IT group here and he told me they bill out at
> about 135 per hour for their consultants. They dont do excel or access
> programming They have no problem paying me 75/hr for building an excel
> solution and don't care if I prefer to use access if it will help them get
> a larger project out the door or provide an interim solution.
>
> So what they really are paying for is results and their main project is
> worth millions and all they know is they have an exposure they dont want
to
> have and want me to handle that piece.
>
> My other client has vastly deeper pockets but hiring freezes and constant
> "work-out" sessions so to he keeps telling me that he cant afford me. Then
> asks me to do work anyway and pays me more than my rate as a lump sum yo
> deliver something. And I checked up and found out they pay personnel
> companies well over 100 per hr for talented ppl.
>
> Not sure I know which I would rather be:  (1) consultant with a few
clients
> who I can bill a high rate... suffering mixture of feast (late nights and
> high stress) or famine (lots of time on my hands for Listserv posting and
> reading). Or (2) ... a commodity ( i.e. having a skillset only) and go
from
> site to site, making a lower wage but perhaps having more certainty where
I
> will be at any given time period.
>
> Now that I have jinxed myself by writing this my two clients will probably
> dry up and I will be starving in 2 months and neither option.
>
> Connections are also important.... networking.
>
> Regards,
> BILL
>
>
> ...grabled by smrat phonn as ususl
> On Nov 27, 2012 11:41 AM, "Mark Simms" <marksimms at verizon.net> wrote:
>
> > Not even close here in Philly. Even New York since the financial crisis
> has
> > see a dramatic drop in rates.
> >
> > >
> > > Well that makes me feel a lot better about my consulting rate of
> > > $75/hr...
> > >
> >
> >
> > --
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> --
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> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Wed Nov 28 11:41:19 2012
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2012 09:41:19 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Another MS Access job
In-Reply-To: <73592D3CE14647F5866B29CA6694EDEE@HAL9007>
References: <02ff01cdccf4$1eba8840$5c2f98c0$@activebilling.com.au><09CD4682077B4257ABC6EE06D6D6D938@HAL9007><033701cdccfb$e4f87c40$aee974c0$@activebilling.com.au>
	<73592D3CE14647F5866B29CA6694EDEE@HAL9007>
Message-ID: <37A418EE953D494389E1CFD00DA03D70@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Another MS Access job, this time in Raleigh, North Carolina.

http://information-technology.thingamajob.com/jobs/North-Carolina/Access-Dev
eloper/2706407

Note: That in all of theses jobs posted; knowledge in SQL and .Net are
assumed

Jim


From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed Nov 28 15:09:42 2012
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2012 16:09:42 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Another MS Access job
In-Reply-To: <37A418EE953D494389E1CFD00DA03D70@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <02ff01cdccf4$1eba8840$5c2f98c0$@activebilling.com.au><09CD4682077B4257ABC6EE06D6D6D938@HAL9007><033701cdccfb$e4f87c40$aee974c0$@activebilling.com.au>
	<73592D3CE14647F5866B29CA6694EDEE@HAL9007>
	<37A418EE953D494389E1CFD00DA03D70@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <50B67D96.9090802@colbyconsulting.com>

They are all for 4 positions being filled.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 11/28/2012 12:41 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote:
> Another MS Access job, this time in Raleigh, North Carolina.
>
> http://information-technology.thingamajob.com/jobs/North-Carolina/Access-Dev
> eloper/2706407
>
> Note: That in all of theses jobs posted; knowledge in SQL and .Net are
> assumed
>
> Jim
>


From Benson at ge.com  Wed Nov 28 17:24:18 2012
From: Benson at ge.com (Benson, William (GE Global Research, consultant))
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2012 23:24:18 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Need for an Access programmer
In-Reply-To: <F942C5CA5FD94AF7B3B851B24D6D02E9@XPS>
References: <201211261751.qAQHpFOR024710@databaseadvisors.com>
	<3026C7D3773B4DEBACDB95033CD09A97@HAL9007>
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	<00ee01cdccbd$c7872320$56956960$@net>
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	<68F92B3316A24ADCA019324EA79D2DE1@XPS>
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	<F942C5CA5FD94AF7B3B851B24D6D02E9@XPS>
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<<20% reduction for more hours? That is really a masked premium on the short term request.>>
You have older, established clients for the most part.

When you tell a *prospective* client that you will give them a 20% reduction it is telling them that
1) I am not that busy

Or

2) If I GET AROUND TO YOUR PROJECT FOR THE FULL  16 hours or more in any given 2-week period
     I will be happy to discount you.

What it does, is it is leaving the recipient of whatever the ultimate billing rate is, dependent on your schedule. And if you are busy doing 35+ hrs for someone old (who they can surmise based on your fee schedule is getting a cheaper rate) and someone new comes along who you can only give 5 or 10 hours a week to their project that you promise to "try to fit in" for them ... then not only are they waiting longer for their project to get completed, but they know they are paying a premium price for it.

Argue this is you like - and Jim, by all means with your own clients, do whatever makes sense.... but I do not take back my assertion that this is a thinly veiled mark-UP to the people who only get you (or need you - hard to say who's the culprit) for under 16 hrs.

Bill


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2012 9:25 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Need for an Access programmer


<<20% reduction for more hours? That is really a masked premium on the short term request.>>

 It's not masked in that I make the same offer to every client right up front.  I treat all clients exactly the same and their all aware of it.

 I feel if their willing to give me more then 16 hours a week consistently, they deserve a break at that point. It certainly does entice them to use me more, which is the point of offering it.  But on the flip side, even my regular rate is not unreasonable for the level of services I offer ($70/hr is on the low end of the scale in comparison to most outfits).

<<I tell one client my
minimum schedule is 16 hrs per week. If they blow me off during the week they are billed 16 hrs regardless. >>

 I don't work on any type of retainer, but strictly by the hour.  I've found that retainers, flat fees, etc. always get you into trouble at some point.
Don't use contracts either.  If someone doesn't like my work their free to fire me on the spot (which keeps me on my toes) and I'm free to walk away from anything (never happened yet as I've been very lucky to have the clients that I've had - many fall into the "friends" category at this point).

 And I bill the same for everything; travel, training, technical work, programming, or whatever.  I take the viewpoint that they pay for my time, not the specific skill I'm using at the moment.

 Keeps life very simple and straight forward and everyone is happy with the setup.

 They know they won't get charged any more then exactly what it will take to get a job done and I get paid for every hour I work.  No scoping out the project, them making a guess which either ends up over charging them or me getting the short end of the stick.  If it makes them feel more comfortable to have a project scoped out, then I will do that, but they pay for that work by the hour.  There's also no arguing about what's billable and what's not and projects can change as quickly as needed.

 The only real downside is that it has lead to doing more work for fewer clients and it's never good to have all your eggs in the same place.  Almost all my clients I've had from the get go, which is now 28 years.  But many are retiring, selling off the business, passing away, etc, so I'm now down to a handful.  Still working 40 hours a week without issue, but I'd like to have a few more and actually finding time to find new clients has become difficult.

Jim.  

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Benson
Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2012 08:20 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Need for an Access programmer

20% reduction for more hours? That is really a masked premium on the short term request. I like it but I am a little more direct, I tell one client my minimum schedule is 16 hrs per week. If they blow me off during the week they are billed 16 hrs regardless. The way I see it, even if I just use the downtime to think of improvements or do additional testing of work I already completed or develop my skills (by participating on a Listserv or discussion forum e.g. :) I am not idle -and I was "ready to serve".

I can't just pick up the phone and drum up replacement clients like a dental hygenist during a week in which he/she gets a cancellation or two.

Speaking of which... when is the last time anyone has seen a male dental hygenist. I am not making any stereotypical observations that is a serious question, do they exist? I have never seen one and I have been in several dental offices and seen at least 10, none have been male. Now there is a decent paying profession as an alternative to Access Programming.

...grabled by smrat phonn as ususl
On Nov 27, 2012 1:59 PM, "Jim Dettman" <jimdettman at verizon.net> wrote:

> Bill,
>
>  I'm in the same place and I feel $70 - $80 is more realistic for 
> programming services from a lone consultant.
>
>  I've been charging $70/hr now for a number of years (about the past 
> 15) and give a 20% discount on top of that for a consistent level of 
> work (more then
> 16 hours a week in a trailing two week period).  I've been using that
setup
> for a long time and I'm able to say that I've never lacked for full 
> time work.  The clients I deal with seem to feel that it's not an 
> un-reasonable rate.
>
>  I do plan to up my rate Jan 1 to $75 as I think I've fallen behind 
> the curve a bit.
>
>  Some companies do charge $130 - $150/hr, but I always see those 
> relations as vary contentious.  Clients always feel like their getting 
> ripped off
and
> are always arguing over billing.  I think if you peeled all the layers 
> away, you'd find their not making anywhere near as much as one would 
> think.  So much ends up as non-billable.
>
>  In fact that's the way I invoiced long ago and never have a desire to 
> return to it.  My rate was double back then and life got far simpler 
> when
I
> cut my rate in half.
>
>  Clients got a lot happier and so did I.
>
> FWIW,
> Jim.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William 
> Benson
> Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2012 01:33 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Need for an Access programmer
>
> These discussions seem to crop up from time to time and I dont like 
> the impression I may be falsely giving. In truth I have only recently 
> gotten the courage to ask for 75/hr. I did market research to see that 
> 75 per hr is chump change in the B2B consulting world.
>
> I asked someone who runs an IT group here and he told me they bill out 
> at about 135 per hour for their consultants. They dont do excel or 
> access programming They have no problem paying me 75/hr for building 
> an excel solution and don't care if I prefer to use access if it will 
> help them get a larger project out the door or provide an interim solution.
>
> So what they really are paying for is results and their main project 
> is worth millions and all they know is they have an exposure they dont 
> want
to
> have and want me to handle that piece.
>
> My other client has vastly deeper pockets but hiring freezes and 
> constant "work-out" sessions so to he keeps telling me that he cant 
> afford me. Then asks me to do work anyway and pays me more than my 
> rate as a lump sum yo deliver something. And I checked up and found 
> out they pay personnel companies well over 100 per hr for talented ppl.
>
> Not sure I know which I would rather be:  (1) consultant with a few
clients
> who I can bill a high rate... suffering mixture of feast (late nights 
> and high stress) or famine (lots of time on my hands for Listserv 
> posting and reading). Or (2) ... a commodity ( i.e. having a skillset 
> only) and go
from
> site to site, making a lower wage but perhaps having more certainty 
> where
I
> will be at any given time period.
>
> Now that I have jinxed myself by writing this my two clients will 
> probably dry up and I will be starving in 2 months and neither option.
>
> Connections are also important.... networking.
>
> Regards,
> BILL
>
>
> ...grabled by smrat phonn as ususl
> On Nov 27, 2012 11:41 AM, "Mark Simms" <marksimms at verizon.net> wrote:
>
> > Not even close here in Philly. Even New York since the financial 
> > crisis
> has
> > see a dramatic drop in rates.
> >
> > >
> > > Well that makes me feel a lot better about my consulting rate of 
> > > $75/hr...
> > >
> >
> >
> > --
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
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> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
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From vbacreations at gmail.com  Thu Nov 29 05:47:10 2012
From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson)
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2012 06:47:10 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Need for an Access programmer
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I started thinking of all the ways this could bite me and create two-way
tension due to variableness such as the fact that a 20 % discount for >16
hrs means I actually make Less working 19 hours than I would working 16.

I certainly dont want to have the last word I think some other professional
consultants and people-finders should weigh in.

General audience:  Do other people think it is good to lower one's rate
based on work level?

This might just me a YMMV issue.

From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Nov 29 08:38:11 2012
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2012 09:38:11 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] [SPAM] Re:  Need for an Access programmer
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LOL, I think it is not good for you because it makes you uncomfortable.

I think what it intended to do is raise the average hours.  Of course if the client targets this and 
always gives you 17 hours then you lose.  However I think the client is going to have a hard time 
knowing how many hours a task is going to take so if it does anything it would cause the client to 
keep you busy, in which case you win, even if at a lower rate.

These "tiered" rate plans are common across retail so it must work.  It is up to you to determine 
what the tiers are which work for you.  Or don't do it at all.

You do seem rather hung up on this though.  Just sayin'.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 11/29/2012 6:47 AM, William Benson wrote:
> I started thinking of all the ways this could bite me and create two-way
> tension due to variableness such as the fact that a 20 % discount for >16
> hrs means I actually make Less working 19 hours than I would working 16.
>
> I certainly dont want to have the last word I think some other professional
> consultants and people-finders should weigh in.
>
> General audience:  Do other people think it is good to lower one's rate
> based on work level?
>
> This might just me a YMMV issue.
>


From Benson at ge.com  Thu Nov 29 08:55:40 2012
From: Benson at ge.com (Benson, William (GE Global Research, consultant))
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2012 14:55:40 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] [SPAM] Re:  Need for an Access programmer
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>> You do seem rather hung up on this though.  Just sayin'.
Not actually, but it is all about timing.
I am running low on client work and therefore thinking about the best model to offer services.
And I opened the floor to other opinions (which you kindly offered).


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LOL, I think it is not good for you because it makes you uncomfortable.

I think what it intended to do is raise the average hours.  Of course if the client targets this and always gives you 17 hours then you lose.  However I think the client is going to have a hard time knowing how many hours a task is going to take so if it does anything it would cause the client to keep you busy, in which case you win, even if at a lower rate.

These "tiered" rate plans are common across retail so it must work.  It is up to you to determine what the tiers are which work for you.  Or don't do it at all.

You do seem rather hung up on this though.  Just sayin'.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 11/29/2012 6:47 AM, William Benson wrote:
> I started thinking of all the ways this could bite me and create 
> two-way tension due to variableness such as the fact that a 20 % 
> discount for >16 hrs means I actually make Less working 19 hours than I would working 16.
>
> I certainly dont want to have the last word I think some other 
> professional consultants and people-finders should weigh in.
>
> General audience:  Do other people think it is good to lower one's 
> rate based on work level?
>
> This might just me a YMMV issue.
>

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From jm.hwsn at gmail.com  Thu Nov 29 08:56:19 2012
From: jm.hwsn at gmail.com (Jim Hewson)
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2012 08:56:19 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Need for an Access programmer
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I don't lower my rate for any reason.  I have increased my rate for
difficult clients or for those that I have had trouble with in the past.
Those clients that I really enjoy working with, are non-profit or that I
know can't afford a lot - I have just charged less hours.

Jim
On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 5:47 AM, William Benson <vbacreations at gmail.com>wrote:

> I started thinking of all the ways this could bite me and create two-way
> tension due to variableness such as the fact that a 20 % discount for >16
> hrs means I actually make Less working 19 hours than I would working 16.
>
> I certainly dont want to have the last word I think some other professional
> consultants and people-finders should weigh in.
>
> General audience:  Do other people think it is good to lower one's rate
> based on work level?
>
> This might just me a YMMV issue.
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From jimdettman at verizon.net  Thu Nov 29 09:29:06 2012
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2012 10:29:06 -0500
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Bill,

 One of the things that's not obvious is that my 16 hour rule is not exactly
as cut and dry as I stated, nor as your thinking.  It's a little looser then
that, often straying more into a "general rule of thumb" at times.

 If for example I have someone that is getting the discount and comes up
short two weeks in a row, that doesn't mean I automatically switch to a
higher rate.  Knowing the client, the next couple of weeks may be more then
16 per week.  But if the general trend in the amount of work is falling
below 16 per week, I give them a call and we talk about it.  It may be that
they are having a dry spell, or that they just don't need my services as
much.

 Obviously scheduling does come into play a bit as I can only handle so many
clients at 16 hours a week, but honestly it's never been a problem.
Clients that are willing to shell out that kind of money on a consistent
basis are few and far between.

 And it's not a matter of me finding time for them, it's the amount of work
are they willing to give me.  They are not being held hostage to my
schedule.  If I only get 8 hours in on something one week and then 20 hours
the next, all 28 hours get billed at the discounted rate.  It's the over all
amount of work I see from them and the general trend that determines the
rate.

 End result is that the majority of my clients get billed full rate.  The
discount is there however to encourage them to use my services more.

 The other thing I do differently then most is I charge no premium for
overtime, nights, weekends, holidays, etc., all of which I will work to get
the job done.

 Everyone's situation is different of course (different types of work and
different types of clients), but the system I have works well for me.
Clients are all happy with it and I've never had a complaint from anyone
(new or old) about the discount.

Jim.




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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Benson, William
(GE Global Research, consultant)
Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2012 06:24 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Need for an Access programmer

<<20% reduction for more hours? That is really a masked premium on the short
term request.>>
You have older, established clients for the most part.

When you tell a *prospective* client that you will give them a 20% reduction
it is telling them that
1) I am not that busy

Or

2) If I GET AROUND TO YOUR PROJECT FOR THE FULL  16 hours or more in any
given 2-week period
     I will be happy to discount you.

What it does, is it is leaving the recipient of whatever the ultimate
billing rate is, dependent on your schedule. And if you are busy doing 35+
hrs for someone old (who they can surmise based on your fee schedule is
getting a cheaper rate) and someone new comes along who you can only give 5
or 10 hours a week to their project that you promise to "try to fit in" for
them ... then not only are they waiting longer for their project to get
completed, but they know they are paying a premium price for it.

Argue this is you like - and Jim, by all means with your own clients, do
whatever makes sense.... but I do not take back my assertion that this is a
thinly veiled mark-UP to the people who only get you (or need you - hard to
say who's the culprit) for under 16 hrs.

Bill


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<<20% reduction for more hours? That is really a masked premium on the short
term request.>>

 It's not masked in that I make the same offer to every client right up
front.  I treat all clients exactly the same and their all aware of it.

 I feel if their willing to give me more then 16 hours a week consistently,
they deserve a break at that point. It certainly does entice them to use me
more, which is the point of offering it.  But on the flip side, even my
regular rate is not unreasonable for the level of services I offer ($70/hr
is on the low end of the scale in comparison to most outfits).

<<I tell one client my
minimum schedule is 16 hrs per week. If they blow me off during the week
they are billed 16 hrs regardless. >>

 I don't work on any type of retainer, but strictly by the hour.  I've found
that retainers, flat fees, etc. always get you into trouble at some point.
Don't use contracts either.  If someone doesn't like my work their free to
fire me on the spot (which keeps me on my toes) and I'm free to walk away
from anything (never happened yet as I've been very lucky to have the
clients that I've had - many fall into the "friends" category at this
point).

 And I bill the same for everything; travel, training, technical work,
programming, or whatever.  I take the viewpoint that they pay for my time,
not the specific skill I'm using at the moment.

 Keeps life very simple and straight forward and everyone is happy with the
setup.

 They know they won't get charged any more then exactly what it will take to
get a job done and I get paid for every hour I work.  No scoping out the
project, them making a guess which either ends up over charging them or me
getting the short end of the stick.  If it makes them feel more comfortable
to have a project scoped out, then I will do that, but they pay for that
work by the hour.  There's also no arguing about what's billable and what's
not and projects can change as quickly as needed.

 The only real downside is that it has lead to doing more work for fewer
clients and it's never good to have all your eggs in the same place.  Almost
all my clients I've had from the get go, which is now 28 years.  But many
are retiring, selling off the business, passing away, etc, so I'm now down
to a handful.  Still working 40 hours a week without issue, but I'd like to
have a few more and actually finding time to find new clients has become
difficult.

Jim.  

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Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2012 08:20 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
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20% reduction for more hours? That is really a masked premium on the short
term request. I like it but I am a little more direct, I tell one client my
minimum schedule is 16 hrs per week. If they blow me off during the week
they are billed 16 hrs regardless. The way I see it, even if I just use the
downtime to think of improvements or do additional testing of work I already
completed or develop my skills (by participating on a Listserv or discussion
forum e.g. :) I am not idle -and I was "ready to serve".

I can't just pick up the phone and drum up replacement clients like a dental
hygenist during a week in which he/she gets a cancellation or two.

Speaking of which... when is the last time anyone has seen a male dental
hygenist. I am not making any stereotypical observations that is a serious
question, do they exist? I have never seen one and I have been in several
dental offices and seen at least 10, none have been male. Now there is a
decent paying profession as an alternative to Access Programming.

...grabled by smrat phonn as ususl
On Nov 27, 2012 1:59 PM, "Jim Dettman" <jimdettman at verizon.net> wrote:

> Bill,
>
>  I'm in the same place and I feel $70 - $80 is more realistic for 
> programming services from a lone consultant.
>
>  I've been charging $70/hr now for a number of years (about the past 
> 15) and give a 20% discount on top of that for a consistent level of 
> work (more then
> 16 hours a week in a trailing two week period).  I've been using that
setup
> for a long time and I'm able to say that I've never lacked for full 
> time work.  The clients I deal with seem to feel that it's not an 
> un-reasonable rate.
>
>  I do plan to up my rate Jan 1 to $75 as I think I've fallen behind 
> the curve a bit.
>
>  Some companies do charge $130 - $150/hr, but I always see those 
> relations as vary contentious.  Clients always feel like their getting 
> ripped off
and
> are always arguing over billing.  I think if you peeled all the layers 
> away, you'd find their not making anywhere near as much as one would 
> think.  So much ends up as non-billable.
>
>  In fact that's the way I invoiced long ago and never have a desire to 
> return to it.  My rate was double back then and life got far simpler 
> when
I
> cut my rate in half.
>
>  Clients got a lot happier and so did I.
>
> FWIW,
> Jim.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William 
> Benson
> Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2012 01:33 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Need for an Access programmer
>
> These discussions seem to crop up from time to time and I dont like 
> the impression I may be falsely giving. In truth I have only recently 
> gotten the courage to ask for 75/hr. I did market research to see that 
> 75 per hr is chump change in the B2B consulting world.
>
> I asked someone who runs an IT group here and he told me they bill out 
> at about 135 per hour for their consultants. They dont do excel or 
> access programming They have no problem paying me 75/hr for building 
> an excel solution and don't care if I prefer to use access if it will 
> help them get a larger project out the door or provide an interim
solution.
>
> So what they really are paying for is results and their main project 
> is worth millions and all they know is they have an exposure they dont 
> want
to
> have and want me to handle that piece.
>
> My other client has vastly deeper pockets but hiring freezes and 
> constant "work-out" sessions so to he keeps telling me that he cant 
> afford me. Then asks me to do work anyway and pays me more than my 
> rate as a lump sum yo deliver something. And I checked up and found 
> out they pay personnel companies well over 100 per hr for talented ppl.
>
> Not sure I know which I would rather be:  (1) consultant with a few
clients
> who I can bill a high rate... suffering mixture of feast (late nights 
> and high stress) or famine (lots of time on my hands for Listserv 
> posting and reading). Or (2) ... a commodity ( i.e. having a skillset 
> only) and go
from
> site to site, making a lower wage but perhaps having more certainty 
> where
I
> will be at any given time period.
>
> Now that I have jinxed myself by writing this my two clients will 
> probably dry up and I will be starving in 2 months and neither option.
>
> Connections are also important.... networking.
>
> Regards,
> BILL
>
>
> ...grabled by smrat phonn as ususl
> On Nov 27, 2012 11:41 AM, "Mark Simms" <marksimms at verizon.net> wrote:
>
> > Not even close here in Philly. Even New York since the financial 
> > crisis
> has
> > see a dramatic drop in rates.
> >
> > >
> > > Well that makes me feel a lot better about my consulting rate of 
> > > $75/hr...
> > >
> >
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From jimdettman at verizon.net  Thu Nov 29 09:37:45 2012
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2012 10:37:45 -0500
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<< I have just charged less hours.>>

When I charge $120/hr, that's what I used to do.  I'd adjust the hours so
the end amount "fit" what I thought they should be charged.

Result?  Clients got an un-realistic view of the time jobs took, which lead
to problems.  So then I started showing billable and non-billable hours so
the total time was accurate.  Then the question was, "why are you not
billing me for these hours?".  I was always having to explain myself why
some was billable and some was not and trying to do that consistently was a
real headache.

That's when I decided to go with the approach of:

1. Cutting my rate in half.
2. Everything was billable.
3. No flat fees - Everything was billed by the hour.

 And life got a lot simpler after that<g>

<<I don't lower my rate for any reason.>>

  But in regards to the non-profits, is that not what your really doing?

Jim.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Hewson
Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 09:56 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Need for an Access programmer

I don't lower my rate for any reason.  I have increased my rate for
difficult clients or for those that I have had trouble with in the past.
Those clients that I really enjoy working with, are non-profit or that I
know can't afford a lot - I have just charged less hours.

Jim
On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 5:47 AM, William Benson
<vbacreations at gmail.com>wrote:

> I started thinking of all the ways this could bite me and create two-way
> tension due to variableness such as the fact that a 20 % discount for >16
> hrs means I actually make Less working 19 hours than I would working 16.
>
> I certainly dont want to have the last word I think some other
professional
> consultants and people-finders should weigh in.
>
> General audience:  Do other people think it is good to lower one's rate
> based on work level?
>
> This might just me a YMMV issue.
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From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Thu Nov 29 09:50:05 2012
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2012 15:50:05 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [AccessD] Need for an Access programmer
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The system obviously works for you Jim, and that's great. The difficulty I
perceive is that while you regard the lower rate as a discount, and no doubt
state that up-front, as time goes by customers will come to regard that as just
their rate. If the work decreases what you see as removing their discount they
will see as a price rise. And we know how much customers love those. I'm a bit
surprised that hasn't ever arisen as a problem for you. I've never operated like
this. I've negotiated different rates with different clients, dependent upon all
sorts of criteria, but only ever one rate for one client. Fortunately my clients
have never known about each other and discovered their differing rates :-)

Whatever works for you anyway Jim. I'm only throwing this in as a factor for
anyone else considering variable rates.

Andy



On 29 November 2012 at 15:29 Jim Dettman <jimdettman at verizon.net> wrote:
> Bill,
>
> One of the things that's not obvious is that my 16 hour rule is not exactly
> as cut and dry as I stated, nor as your thinking. It's a little looser then
> that, often straying more into a "general rule of thumb" at times.
>
> If for example I have someone that is getting the discount and comes up
> short two weeks in a row, that doesn't mean I automatically switch to a
> higher rate. Knowing the client, the next couple of weeks may be more then
> 16 per week. But if the general trend in the amount of work is falling
> below 16 per week, I give them a call and we talk about it. It may be that
> they are having a dry spell, or that they just don't need my services as
> much.
>
> Obviously scheduling does come into play a bit as I can only handle so many
> clients at 16 hours a week, but honestly it's never been a problem.
> Clients that are willing to shell out that kind of money on a consistent
> basis are few and far between.
>
> And it's not a matter of me finding time for them, it's the amount of work
> are they willing to give me. They are not being held hostage to my
> schedule. If I only get 8 hours in on something one week and then 20 hours
> the next, all 28 hours get billed at the discounted rate. It's the over all
> amount of work I see from them and the general trend that determines the
> rate.
>
> End result is that the majority of my clients get billed full rate. The
> discount is there however to encourage them to use my services more.
>
> The other thing I do differently then most is I charge no premium for
> overtime, nights, weekends, holidays, etc., all of which I will work to get
> the job done.
>
> Everyone's situation is different of course (different types of work and
> different types of clients), but the system I have works well for me.
> Clients are all happy with it and I've never had a complaint from anyone
> (new or old) about the discount.
>
> Jim.
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Benson, William
> (GE Global Research, consultant)
> Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2012 06:24 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Need for an Access programmer
>
> <<20% reduction for more hours? That is really a masked premium on the short
> term request.>>
> You have older, established clients for the most part.
>
> When you tell a *prospective* client that you will give them a 20% reduction
> it is telling them that
> 1) I am not that busy
>
> Or
>
> 2) If I GET AROUND TO YOUR PROJECT FOR THE FULL 16 hours or more in any
> given 2-week period
> I will be happy to discount you.
>
> What it does, is it is leaving the recipient of whatever the ultimate
> billing rate is, dependent on your schedule. And if you are busy doing 35+
> hrs for someone old (who they can surmise based on your fee schedule is
> getting a cheaper rate) and someone new comes along who you can only give 5
> or 10 hours a week to their project that you promise to "try to fit in" for
> them ... then not only are they waiting longer for their project to get
> completed, but they know they are paying a premium price for it.
>
> Argue this is you like - and Jim, by all means with your own clients, do
> whatever makes sense.... but I do not take back my assertion that this is a
> thinly veiled mark-UP to the people who only get you (or need you - hard to
> say who's the culprit) for under 16 hrs.
>
> Bill
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
> Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2012 9:25 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Need for an Access programmer
>
>
> <<20% reduction for more hours? That is really a masked premium on the short
> term request.>>
>
> It's not masked in that I make the same offer to every client right up
> front. I treat all clients exactly the same and their all aware of it.
>
> I feel if their willing to give me more then 16 hours a week consistently,
> they deserve a break at that point. It certainly does entice them to use me
> more, which is the point of offering it. But on the flip side, even my
> regular rate is not unreasonable for the level of services I offer ($70/hr
> is on the low end of the scale in comparison to most outfits).
>
> <<I tell one client my
> minimum schedule is 16 hrs per week. If they blow me off during the week
> they are billed 16 hrs regardless. >>
>
> I don't work on any type of retainer, but strictly by the hour. I've found
> that retainers, flat fees, etc. always get you into trouble at some point.
> Don't use contracts either. If someone doesn't like my work their free to
> fire me on the spot (which keeps me on my toes) and I'm free to walk away
> from anything (never happened yet as I've been very lucky to have the
> clients that I've had - many fall into the "friends" category at this
> point).
>
> And I bill the same for everything; travel, training, technical work,
> programming, or whatever. I take the viewpoint that they pay for my time,
> not the specific skill I'm using at the moment.
>
> Keeps life very simple and straight forward and everyone is happy with the
> setup.
>
> They know they won't get charged any more then exactly what it will take to
> get a job done and I get paid for every hour I work. No scoping out the
> project, them making a guess which either ends up over charging them or me
> getting the short end of the stick. If it makes them feel more comfortable
> to have a project scoped out, then I will do that, but they pay for that
> work by the hour. There's also no arguing about what's billable and what's
> not and projects can change as quickly as needed.
>
> The only real downside is that it has lead to doing more work for fewer
> clients and it's never good to have all your eggs in the same place. Almost
> all my clients I've had from the get go, which is now 28 years. But many
> are retiring, selling off the business, passing away, etc, so I'm now down
> to a handful. Still working 40 hours a week without issue, but I'd like to
> have a few more and actually finding time to find new clients has become
> difficult.
>
> Jim.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Benson
> Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2012 08:20 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Need for an Access programmer
>
> 20% reduction for more hours? That is really a masked premium on the short
> term request. I like it but I am a little more direct, I tell one client my
> minimum schedule is 16 hrs per week. If they blow me off during the week
> they are billed 16 hrs regardless. The way I see it, even if I just use the
> downtime to think of improvements or do additional testing of work I already
> completed or develop my skills (by participating on a Listserv or discussion
> forum e.g. :) I am not idle -and I was "ready to serve".
>
> I can't just pick up the phone and drum up replacement clients like a dental
> hygenist during a week in which he/she gets a cancellation or two.
>
> Speaking of which... when is the last time anyone has seen a male dental
> hygenist. I am not making any stereotypical observations that is a serious
> question, do they exist? I have never seen one and I have been in several
> dental offices and seen at least 10, none have been male. Now there is a
> decent paying profession as an alternative to Access Programming.
>
> ...grabled by smrat phonn as ususl
> On Nov 27, 2012 1:59 PM, "Jim Dettman" <jimdettman at verizon.net> wrote:
>
> > Bill,
> >
> > I'm in the same place and I feel $70 - $80 is more realistic for
> > programming services from a lone consultant.
> >
> > I've been charging $70/hr now for a number of years (about the past
> > 15) and give a 20% discount on top of that for a consistent level of
> > work (more then
> > 16 hours a week in a trailing two week period). I've been using that
> setup
> > for a long time and I'm able to say that I've never lacked for full
> > time work. The clients I deal with seem to feel that it's not an
> > un-reasonable rate.
> >
> > I do plan to up my rate Jan 1 to $75 as I think I've fallen behind
> > the curve a bit.
> >
> > Some companies do charge $130 - $150/hr, but I always see those
> > relations as vary contentious. Clients always feel like their getting
> > ripped off
> and
> > are always arguing over billing. I think if you peeled all the layers
> > away, you'd find their not making anywhere near as much as one would
> > think. So much ends up as non-billable.
> >
> > In fact that's the way I invoiced long ago and never have a desire to
> > return to it. My rate was double back then and life got far simpler
> > when
> I
> > cut my rate in half.
> >
> > Clients got a lot happier and so did I.
> >
> > FWIW,
> > Jim.
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William
> > Benson
> > Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2012 01:33 PM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Need for an Access programmer
> >
> > These discussions seem to crop up from time to time and I dont like
> > the impression I may be falsely giving. In truth I have only recently
> > gotten the courage to ask for 75/hr. I did market research to see that
> > 75 per hr is chump change in the B2B consulting world.
> >
> > I asked someone who runs an IT group here and he told me they bill out
> > at about 135 per hour for their consultants. They dont do excel or
> > access programming They have no problem paying me 75/hr for building
> > an excel solution and don't care if I prefer to use access if it will
> > help them get a larger project out the door or provide an interim
> solution.
> >
> > So what they really are paying for is results and their main project
> > is worth millions and all they know is they have an exposure they dont
> > want
> to
> > have and want me to handle that piece.
> >
> > My other client has vastly deeper pockets but hiring freezes and
> > constant "work-out" sessions so to he keeps telling me that he cant
> > afford me. Then asks me to do work anyway and pays me more than my
> > rate as a lump sum yo deliver something. And I checked up and found
> > out they pay personnel companies well over 100 per hr for talented ppl.
> >
> > Not sure I know which I would rather be: (1) consultant with a few
> clients
> > who I can bill a high rate... suffering mixture of feast (late nights
> > and high stress) or famine (lots of time on my hands for Listserv
> > posting and reading). Or (2) ... a commodity ( i.e. having a skillset
> > only) and go
> from
> > site to site, making a lower wage but perhaps having more certainty
> > where
> I
> > will be at any given time period.
> >
> > Now that I have jinxed myself by writing this my two clients will
> > probably dry up and I will be starving in 2 months and neither option.
> >
> > Connections are also important.... networking.
> >
> > Regards,
> > BILL
> >
> >
> > ...grabled by smrat phonn as ususl
> > On Nov 27, 2012 11:41 AM, "Mark Simms" <marksimms at verizon.net> wrote:
> >
> > > Not even close here in Philly. Even New York since the financial
> > > crisis
> > has
> > > see a dramatic drop in rates.
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Well that makes me feel a lot better about my consulting rate of
> > > > $75/hr...
> > > >
> > >
> > >
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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Thu Nov 29 09:59:13 2012
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2012 10:59:13 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Need for an Access programmer
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This thread cannot go without a mention of a very old joke. A man walks
into a bar and sidles up to the bar beside a very attractive woman. He
offers to buy her a drink and she accepts. Then he pops his question:

"If I offered you $50K, would you sleep with me?"

to which, being a reasonable woman, she replies "Of course."

So he asks his second question: "Would you sleep with me for $50?"

to which angrily snarls, "What do you think I am!?"

and of course his the most logical of replies: "We recently established
that. Now we are entering the phase known as haggling."

A.

From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Nov 29 10:09:25 2012
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2012 11:09:25 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Need for an Access programmer
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I have a client who too often gives me work which has to be out by the end of the day or tomorrow. 
I ended up adding a 50% "rush" surcharge fee which is separate from and visible on the invoice.  My 
thoughts are if I have to put down another client in order to pick up the rush job then you need to 
pay for that.

Like Jim, I don't always charge the surcharge, it really depends on whether I really am busy and 
have to cut this job in line to get it out.  And occasionally just because I am seeing too much 
"rush" stuff.  After all, there are only so many hours in the day and if everyone tried to "rush" 
their jobs it would be chaos.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 11/29/2012 10:29 AM, Jim Dettman wrote:
> Bill,
>
>   One of the things that's not obvious is that my 16 hour rule is not exactly
> as cut and dry as I stated, nor as your thinking.  It's a little looser then
> that, often straying more into a "general rule of thumb" at times.
>
>   If for example I have someone that is getting the discount and comes up
> short two weeks in a row, that doesn't mean I automatically switch to a
> higher rate.  Knowing the client, the next couple of weeks may be more then
> 16 per week.  But if the general trend in the amount of work is falling
> below 16 per week, I give them a call and we talk about it.  It may be that
> they are having a dry spell, or that they just don't need my services as
> much.
>
>   Obviously scheduling does come into play a bit as I can only handle so many
> clients at 16 hours a week, but honestly it's never been a problem.
> Clients that are willing to shell out that kind of money on a consistent
> basis are few and far between.
>
>   And it's not a matter of me finding time for them, it's the amount of work
> are they willing to give me.  They are not being held hostage to my
> schedule.  If I only get 8 hours in on something one week and then 20 hours
> the next, all 28 hours get billed at the discounted rate.  It's the over all
> amount of work I see from them and the general trend that determines the
> rate.
>
>   End result is that the majority of my clients get billed full rate.  The
> discount is there however to encourage them to use my services more.
>
>   The other thing I do differently then most is I charge no premium for
> overtime, nights, weekends, holidays, etc., all of which I will work to get
> the job done.
>
>   Everyone's situation is different of course (different types of work and
> different types of clients), but the system I have works well for me.
> Clients are all happy with it and I've never had a complaint from anyone
> (new or old) about the discount.
>
> Jim.
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Benson, William
> (GE Global Research, consultant)
> Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2012 06:24 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Need for an Access programmer
>
> <<20% reduction for more hours? That is really a masked premium on the short
> term request.>>
> You have older, established clients for the most part.
>
> When you tell a *prospective* client that you will give them a 20% reduction
> it is telling them that
> 1) I am not that busy
>
> Or
>
> 2) If I GET AROUND TO YOUR PROJECT FOR THE FULL  16 hours or more in any
> given 2-week period
>       I will be happy to discount you.
>
> What it does, is it is leaving the recipient of whatever the ultimate
> billing rate is, dependent on your schedule. And if you are busy doing 35+
> hrs for someone old (who they can surmise based on your fee schedule is
> getting a cheaper rate) and someone new comes along who you can only give 5
> or 10 hours a week to their project that you promise to "try to fit in" for
> them ... then not only are they waiting longer for their project to get
> completed, but they know they are paying a premium price for it.
>
> Argue this is you like - and Jim, by all means with your own clients, do
> whatever makes sense.... but I do not take back my assertion that this is a
> thinly veiled mark-UP to the people who only get you (or need you - hard to
> say who's the culprit) for under 16 hrs.
>
> Bill
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
> Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2012 9:25 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Need for an Access programmer
>
>
> <<20% reduction for more hours? That is really a masked premium on the short
> term request.>>
>
>   It's not masked in that I make the same offer to every client right up
> front.  I treat all clients exactly the same and their all aware of it.
>
>   I feel if their willing to give me more then 16 hours a week consistently,
> they deserve a break at that point. It certainly does entice them to use me
> more, which is the point of offering it.  But on the flip side, even my
> regular rate is not unreasonable for the level of services I offer ($70/hr
> is on the low end of the scale in comparison to most outfits).
>
> <<I tell one client my
> minimum schedule is 16 hrs per week. If they blow me off during the week
> they are billed 16 hrs regardless. >>
>
>   I don't work on any type of retainer, but strictly by the hour.  I've found
> that retainers, flat fees, etc. always get you into trouble at some point.
> Don't use contracts either.  If someone doesn't like my work their free to
> fire me on the spot (which keeps me on my toes) and I'm free to walk away
> from anything (never happened yet as I've been very lucky to have the
> clients that I've had - many fall into the "friends" category at this
> point).
>
>   And I bill the same for everything; travel, training, technical work,
> programming, or whatever.  I take the viewpoint that they pay for my time,
> not the specific skill I'm using at the moment.
>
>   Keeps life very simple and straight forward and everyone is happy with the
> setup.
>
>   They know they won't get charged any more then exactly what it will take to
> get a job done and I get paid for every hour I work.  No scoping out the
> project, them making a guess which either ends up over charging them or me
> getting the short end of the stick.  If it makes them feel more comfortable
> to have a project scoped out, then I will do that, but they pay for that
> work by the hour.  There's also no arguing about what's billable and what's
> not and projects can change as quickly as needed.
>
>   The only real downside is that it has lead to doing more work for fewer
> clients and it's never good to have all your eggs in the same place.  Almost
> all my clients I've had from the get go, which is now 28 years.  But many
> are retiring, selling off the business, passing away, etc, so I'm now down
> to a handful.  Still working 40 hours a week without issue, but I'd like to
> have a few more and actually finding time to find new clients has become
> difficult.
>
> Jim.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Benson
> Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2012 08:20 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Need for an Access programmer
>
> 20% reduction for more hours? That is really a masked premium on the short
> term request. I like it but I am a little more direct, I tell one client my
> minimum schedule is 16 hrs per week. If they blow me off during the week
> they are billed 16 hrs regardless. The way I see it, even if I just use the
> downtime to think of improvements or do additional testing of work I already
> completed or develop my skills (by participating on a Listserv or discussion
> forum e.g. :) I am not idle -and I was "ready to serve".
>
> I can't just pick up the phone and drum up replacement clients like a dental
> hygenist during a week in which he/she gets a cancellation or two.
>
> Speaking of which... when is the last time anyone has seen a male dental
> hygenist. I am not making any stereotypical observations that is a serious
> question, do they exist? I have never seen one and I have been in several
> dental offices and seen at least 10, none have been male. Now there is a
> decent paying profession as an alternative to Access Programming.
>
> ...grabled by smrat phonn as ususl
> On Nov 27, 2012 1:59 PM, "Jim Dettman" <jimdettman at verizon.net> wrote:
>
>> Bill,
>>
>>   I'm in the same place and I feel $70 - $80 is more realistic for
>> programming services from a lone consultant.
>>
>>   I've been charging $70/hr now for a number of years (about the past
>> 15) and give a 20% discount on top of that for a consistent level of
>> work (more then
>> 16 hours a week in a trailing two week period).  I've been using that
> setup
>> for a long time and I'm able to say that I've never lacked for full
>> time work.  The clients I deal with seem to feel that it's not an
>> un-reasonable rate.
>>
>>   I do plan to up my rate Jan 1 to $75 as I think I've fallen behind
>> the curve a bit.
>>
>>   Some companies do charge $130 - $150/hr, but I always see those
>> relations as vary contentious.  Clients always feel like their getting
>> ripped off
> and
>> are always arguing over billing.  I think if you peeled all the layers
>> away, you'd find their not making anywhere near as much as one would
>> think.  So much ends up as non-billable.
>>
>>   In fact that's the way I invoiced long ago and never have a desire to
>> return to it.  My rate was double back then and life got far simpler
>> when
> I
>> cut my rate in half.
>>
>>   Clients got a lot happier and so did I.
>>
>> FWIW,
>> Jim.
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William
>> Benson
>> Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2012 01:33 PM
>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Need for an Access programmer
>>
>> These discussions seem to crop up from time to time and I dont like
>> the impression I may be falsely giving. In truth I have only recently
>> gotten the courage to ask for 75/hr. I did market research to see that
>> 75 per hr is chump change in the B2B consulting world.
>>
>> I asked someone who runs an IT group here and he told me they bill out
>> at about 135 per hour for their consultants. They dont do excel or
>> access programming They have no problem paying me 75/hr for building
>> an excel solution and don't care if I prefer to use access if it will
>> help them get a larger project out the door or provide an interim
> solution.
>>
>> So what they really are paying for is results and their main project
>> is worth millions and all they know is they have an exposure they dont
>> want
> to
>> have and want me to handle that piece.
>>
>> My other client has vastly deeper pockets but hiring freezes and
>> constant "work-out" sessions so to he keeps telling me that he cant
>> afford me. Then asks me to do work anyway and pays me more than my
>> rate as a lump sum yo deliver something. And I checked up and found
>> out they pay personnel companies well over 100 per hr for talented ppl.
>>
>> Not sure I know which I would rather be:  (1) consultant with a few
> clients
>> who I can bill a high rate... suffering mixture of feast (late nights
>> and high stress) or famine (lots of time on my hands for Listserv
>> posting and reading). Or (2) ... a commodity ( i.e. having a skillset
>> only) and go
> from
>> site to site, making a lower wage but perhaps having more certainty
>> where
> I
>> will be at any given time period.
>>
>> Now that I have jinxed myself by writing this my two clients will
>> probably dry up and I will be starving in 2 months and neither option.
>>
>> Connections are also important.... networking.
>>
>> Regards,
>> BILL
>>
>>
>> ...grabled by smrat phonn as ususl
>> On Nov 27, 2012 11:41 AM, "Mark Simms" <marksimms at verizon.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Not even close here in Philly. Even New York since the financial
>>> crisis
>> has
>>> see a dramatic drop in rates.
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Well that makes me feel a lot better about my consulting rate of
>>>> $75/hr...
>>>>
>>>
>>>
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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Thu Nov 29 10:31:16 2012
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2012 11:31:16 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Need for an Access programmer
In-Reply-To: <50B788B5.1050904@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <201211261751.qAQHpFOR024710@databaseadvisors.com>
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Two points on this one, JC.
1. I LOVE the idea of a surcharge for rush delivery! Wot a concept! Good on
you!
2. I never give anything away for free, except to Value Village and the
Salvation Army. Whenever I "donate" work or discount work, the invoice
always states my billable rate for hours worked, and then there is an
optional Adjustments line which reflects the discount. That way, no client
is ever under the illusion that my time is without value. In some cases,
such as work I did for the Toronto Humane Society (equivalent to the SPCA
in the USA), the invoice nets to zero dollars owed. But I consider it a
matter of principle to inform the client what it would have cost had I not
entered the Adjustments line.

The moral: if you give it away, you're a slut (male or female, doesn't
matter). If you charge, you're a whore, which is a significant step up. And
if you charge a House and a Car, then you've entered the realm of the Elite
-- you're a Spouse!

Speaking of which, I've been thinking of finding a comely Arabian woman to
marry, and thereby obtain a dowry consisting of camels primarily, and
thereafter opening a zoo. Ya, that's it. Camels and elephants! And maybe a
few of those endangered Indian tigers.

Compared to that, programming seems way too dull.

A.

From marksimms at verizon.net  Thu Nov 29 11:58:33 2012
From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms)
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2012 12:58:33 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Need for an Access programmer
In-Reply-To: <8E4BADF3424E432497C630B53B895D7D@XPS>
References: <201211261751.qAQHpFOR024710@databaseadvisors.com>
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> Result?  Clients got an un-realistic view of the time jobs took, which
> lead to problems.

I am having BIG trouble with this one.
Worked on a project for 4 weeks, told the client it was 30% complete.
2 weeks later, they asked: "why isn't it done yet ?" "When can we demo it
?", etc, etc.
...and on and on it goes.
If I was billing at $100+/hr, I wouldn't get bothered by this. But at half
that rate, I'm a bit PO'd.




From BradM at blackforestltd.com  Thu Nov 29 12:35:09 2012
From: BradM at blackforestltd.com (Brad Marks)
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2012 12:35:09 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Need to access EDI Audit Trail (Flat File) and Not Allow
	Updates
References: <02ff01cdccf4$1eba8840$5c2f98c0$@activebilling.com.au><09CD4682077B4257ABC6EE06D6D6D938@HAL9007><033701cdccfb$e4f87c40$aee974c0$@activebilling.com.au><73592D3CE14647F5866B29CA6694EDEE@HAL9007>
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All,

We have an EDI application that has been built with Access 2007.  It
works nicely.

Recently there has been a request to add a new feature to the system
that will allow the users to see the generated EDI audit trail file.
This is a flat file.

I have added a button to the main form to open the Audit Trail file with
notepad.  This works fine, except that now there is a possibility that
the users could accidentally change the data in this file.

I don't think that I can set security to overcome this issue, because
the EDI Application adds records to this Audit Trail file (behind the
scenes).

I thought that another possible solution would be to treat the Audit
Trail file as Linked Table in Access.

The catch is that the fields in the records are not delimited and the
records can be over 256 bytes.

Is there a way to tell Access to treat the records as one big memo
field?

Maybe there is another way to handle this situation.

Thanks,
Brad       


From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Thu Nov 29 12:55:12 2012
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2012 13:55:12 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Need for an Access programmer
In-Reply-To: <000601cdce5b$263d26a0$72b773e0$@net>
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I omitted part of the story described in my previous message. The hooker
charges $1k an hour, and if you have to ask why, you're in the wrong bar.

Way off topic, but in my retirement years I have returned to my original
alleged career, which was writing screenplays. Yeah I know, everyone says
that, but after 35 failures I did sell one, and it got made, so there!
Anyway, I've embarked on a new one, about the history of the Chinese
population in North America. I've been doing tons of research on said
topic, going back to the California Gold Rush and the building of the
railroad in Canada. And in the course of this research, I have had occasion
to visit some establishments which are, shall we say, beneath the radar.
It's been a significant help that I am closing in on fluency in Mandarin,
and less so in Cantonese, and even less so in Hakka, but I'm trying to pick
them all up. But anyway, I was recently in an establishment that you
wouldn't want your children to visit, and I heard this line, issued in
Cantonese: "I make more money per hour than the Prime Minister!" And I
checked her arithmetic, and guess what, she was right! Now, also to be said
is that she wasted almost all said income shooting drugs into the gaps
between her toes (less likely to be observed in a casual police frisk), but
she had a legitimate point. Assuming that she worked a 40-hour week, she
most definitely does earn more dollars per minute than the Prime Minister
of Canada. Unfortunately, she is incapable of working 40 hours per week,
and instead prefers a hit and miss profession. She said to me one day, "30
seconds, 30 bucks." Which $30 she promptly spent on a purchase from the
local crack dealer, thereby guaranteeing that the cycle persists, Males
apparently need sexual release, and women are available to provide said
release, and this is not news; that's why the call it "the oldest
profession"

It's been a long sidetrack, and thank you for your patience. But looping
back to the original topic, are we all not whores? And secondly, how do
your rates compare with hers?

I for one plead guilty on all charges. I have worked for companies whose
ethics and business practices fall way short of my personal definition of
what is Right and Correct in this world. I needed a gig and I stooped, and
I'm not proud of it.

But recently the tide has changed, if only because two weeks ago or so I
turned 65 yo, and hence became eligible for the pension plan to which I
have contributed for lots of years, and now at last I am Free At Last! Lord
God Almighty, I'm Free At Last! The irony kicks in: now that I no longer
have to work for a living, I'm doing way more than previously! I'm a
volunteer at three places, and I'm writing the script for which I dream
will become an HBO series about the history of the Chinese in North
America, and I've joined a chess club and rejoined the CPA (Canadian
PoolPlayers Association), and am actively seeking people who can play
serious backgammon.

Don't count me dead yet; I think there are a few years left in this old
horse. But the point that I ultimately wanted to make is this: now that I
have officially declared retirement, I am way busier than I've been in the
previous decade, and even better, it's All About Fun!

And one more final thing. I'm planning to visit Cuba in the next few
months. I've never been there. Closest I've come is watching "Buena Vista
Social Club" several times. Are there any listers who inhabit Cuba? I would
much prefer to stay in a guest-house or similar than in a tourist hotel.
Does anyone have some suggestions?

Thanks for your patience reading this very long message.
A.


On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 12:58 PM, Mark Simms <marksimms at verizon.net> wrote:

> > Result?  Clients got an un-realistic view of the time jobs took, which
> > lead to problems.
>
> I am having BIG trouble with this one.
> Worked on a project for 4 weeks, told the client it was 30% complete.
> 2 weeks later, they asked: "why isn't it done yet ?" "When can we demo it
> ?", etc, etc.
> ...and on and on it goes.
> If I was billing at $100+/hr, I wouldn't get bothered by this. But at half
> that rate, I'm a bit PO'd.
>
>
>
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>



-- 
Arthur
Cell: 647.710.1314

Prediction is difficult, especially of the future.
  -- Niels Bohr

From jimdettman at verizon.net  Thu Nov 29 13:11:00 2012
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2012 14:11:00 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Need for an Access programmer
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Arthur,

<<Way off topic, but in my retirement years I have returned to my original
alleged career, which was writing screenplays.>>

  When I say this, I mean it in a very good way; you never cease to amaze
me!

  I think you'd give a diamond a run for it's money in having more facets.

Jim. 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 01:55 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Need for an Access programmer

I omitted part of the story described in my previous message. The hooker
charges $1k an hour, and if you have to ask why, you're in the wrong bar.

Way off topic, but in my retirement years I have returned to my original
alleged career, which was writing screenplays. Yeah I know, everyone says
that, but after 35 failures I did sell one, and it got made, so there!
Anyway, I've embarked on a new one, about the history of the Chinese
population in North America. I've been doing tons of research on said
topic, going back to the California Gold Rush and the building of the
railroad in Canada. And in the course of this research, I have had occasion
to visit some establishments which are, shall we say, beneath the radar.
It's been a significant help that I am closing in on fluency in Mandarin,
and less so in Cantonese, and even less so in Hakka, but I'm trying to pick
them all up. But anyway, I was recently in an establishment that you
wouldn't want your children to visit, and I heard this line, issued in
Cantonese: "I make more money per hour than the Prime Minister!" And I
checked her arithmetic, and guess what, she was right! Now, also to be said
is that she wasted almost all said income shooting drugs into the gaps
between her toes (less likely to be observed in a casual police frisk), but
she had a legitimate point. Assuming that she worked a 40-hour week, she
most definitely does earn more dollars per minute than the Prime Minister
of Canada. Unfortunately, she is incapable of working 40 hours per week,
and instead prefers a hit and miss profession. She said to me one day, "30
seconds, 30 bucks." Which $30 she promptly spent on a purchase from the
local crack dealer, thereby guaranteeing that the cycle persists, Males
apparently need sexual release, and women are available to provide said
release, and this is not news; that's why the call it "the oldest
profession"

It's been a long sidetrack, and thank you for your patience. But looping
back to the original topic, are we all not whores? And secondly, how do
your rates compare with hers?

I for one plead guilty on all charges. I have worked for companies whose
ethics and business practices fall way short of my personal definition of
what is Right and Correct in this world. I needed a gig and I stooped, and
I'm not proud of it.

But recently the tide has changed, if only because two weeks ago or so I
turned 65 yo, and hence became eligible for the pension plan to which I
have contributed for lots of years, and now at last I am Free At Last! Lord
God Almighty, I'm Free At Last! The irony kicks in: now that I no longer
have to work for a living, I'm doing way more than previously! I'm a
volunteer at three places, and I'm writing the script for which I dream
will become an HBO series about the history of the Chinese in North
America, and I've joined a chess club and rejoined the CPA (Canadian
PoolPlayers Association), and am actively seeking people who can play
serious backgammon.

Don't count me dead yet; I think there are a few years left in this old
horse. But the point that I ultimately wanted to make is this: now that I
have officially declared retirement, I am way busier than I've been in the
previous decade, and even better, it's All About Fun!

And one more final thing. I'm planning to visit Cuba in the next few
months. I've never been there. Closest I've come is watching "Buena Vista
Social Club" several times. Are there any listers who inhabit Cuba? I would
much prefer to stay in a guest-house or similar than in a tourist hotel.
Does anyone have some suggestions?

Thanks for your patience reading this very long message.
A.


On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 12:58 PM, Mark Simms <marksimms at verizon.net> wrote:

> > Result?  Clients got an un-realistic view of the time jobs took, which
> > lead to problems.
>
> I am having BIG trouble with this one.
> Worked on a project for 4 weeks, told the client it was 30% complete.
> 2 weeks later, they asked: "why isn't it done yet ?" "When can we demo it
> ?", etc, etc.
> ...and on and on it goes.
> If I was billing at $100+/hr, I wouldn't get bothered by this. But at half
> that rate, I'm a bit PO'd.
>
>
>
> --
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> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>



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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Thu Nov 29 13:24:19 2012
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2012 11:24:19 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Need for an Access programmer
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1gbOMusp6L2grmjpg87gxk962W8yR_07X4vbv4Fe_fVnQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <201211261751.qAQHpFOR024710@databaseadvisors.com><3026C7D3773B4DEBACDB95033CD09A97@HAL9007><7D6E532028614C6BBD2C2179695E09DC@creativesystemdesigns.com><93D10F008B998B4A83BCA855A33EEF372C895256@CINMBCNA01.e2k.ad.ge.com><00ee01cdccbd$c7872320$56956960$@net><CAGuQ9V7LS8WYhvQ6mbVia9CdJsiPqCaipCFa1BvjapdDYw2TjA@mail.gmail.com><68F92B3316A24ADCA019324EA79D2DE1@XPS><CAGuQ9V6j7YaHHpuuQrzNp5ZFG7yP86=A5y7dCPO1G8HgbFAotA@mail.gmail.com><F942C5CA5FD94AF7B3B851B24D6D02E9@XPS><93D10F008B998B4A83BCA855A33EEF372C895AB0@CINMBCNA01.e2k.ad.ge.com><CAGuQ9V50QwFw53TGX3Av+o1tN7pqEqnLu4EEAqAxF0we7tVatA@mail.gmail.com><CAGuQ9V6sHY=H7ppKWq8_n=V0q_Qq-As3mVrCfpnqCBnOemGc5Q@mail.gmail.com><CACbV_8NboajEAgsSGTrHD=stTkg00t+r66S8Wgf5mDWQv=Bu=g@mail.gmail.com><8E4BADF3424E432497C630B53B895D7D@XPS><000601cdce5b$263d26a0$72b773e0$@net>
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Message-ID: <400C628CF54746FAA60739D32764A3C4@HAL9007>

"are we all not whores"

No - not unless you expand the definition of whore to include everyone that
works for a living, contributes to society thereby, etc., etc.

Are farmers whores?  Are doctors whores?  Are plumbers whores? 

If you expand the definition to include all who work, the word loses its
meaning.

R


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 10:55 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Need for an Access programmer

I omitted part of the story described in my previous message. The hooker
charges $1k an hour, and if you have to ask why, you're in the wrong bar.

Way off topic, but in my retirement years I have returned to my original
alleged career, which was writing screenplays. Yeah I know, everyone says
that, but after 35 failures I did sell one, and it got made, so there!
Anyway, I've embarked on a new one, about the history of the Chinese
population in North America. I've been doing tons of research on said topic,
going back to the California Gold Rush and the building of the railroad in
Canada. And in the course of this research, I have had occasion to visit
some establishments which are, shall we say, beneath the radar.
It's been a significant help that I am closing in on fluency in Mandarin,
and less so in Cantonese, and even less so in Hakka, but I'm trying to pick
them all up. But anyway, I was recently in an establishment that you
wouldn't want your children to visit, and I heard this line, issued in
Cantonese: "I make more money per hour than the Prime Minister!" And I
checked her arithmetic, and guess what, she was right! Now, also to be said
is that she wasted almost all said income shooting drugs into the gaps
between her toes (less likely to be observed in a casual police frisk), but
she had a legitimate point. Assuming that she worked a 40-hour week, she
most definitely does earn more dollars per minute than the Prime Minister of
Canada. Unfortunately, she is incapable of working 40 hours per week, and
instead prefers a hit and miss profession. She said to me one day, "30
seconds, 30 bucks." Which $30 she promptly spent on a purchase from the
local crack dealer, thereby guaranteeing that the cycle persists, Males
apparently need sexual release, and women are available to provide said
release, and this is not news; that's why the call it "the oldest
profession"

It's been a long sidetrack, and thank you for your patience. But looping
back to the original topic, are we all not whores? And secondly, how do your
rates compare with hers?

I for one plead guilty on all charges. I have worked for companies whose
ethics and business practices fall way short of my personal definition of
what is Right and Correct in this world. I needed a gig and I stooped, and
I'm not proud of it.

But recently the tide has changed, if only because two weeks ago or so I
turned 65 yo, and hence became eligible for the pension plan to which I have
contributed for lots of years, and now at last I am Free At Last! Lord God
Almighty, I'm Free At Last! The irony kicks in: now that I no longer have to
work for a living, I'm doing way more than previously! I'm a volunteer at
three places, and I'm writing the script for which I dream will become an
HBO series about the history of the Chinese in North America, and I've
joined a chess club and rejoined the CPA (Canadian PoolPlayers Association),
and am actively seeking people who can play serious backgammon.

Don't count me dead yet; I think there are a few years left in this old
horse. But the point that I ultimately wanted to make is this: now that I
have officially declared retirement, I am way busier than I've been in the
previous decade, and even better, it's All About Fun!

And one more final thing. I'm planning to visit Cuba in the next few months.
I've never been there. Closest I've come is watching "Buena Vista Social
Club" several times. Are there any listers who inhabit Cuba? I would much
prefer to stay in a guest-house or similar than in a tourist hotel.
Does anyone have some suggestions?

Thanks for your patience reading this very long message.
A.


On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 12:58 PM, Mark Simms <marksimms at verizon.net> wrote:

> > Result?  Clients got an un-realistic view of the time jobs took, 
> > which lead to problems.
>
> I am having BIG trouble with this one.
> Worked on a project for 4 weeks, told the client it was 30% complete.
> 2 weeks later, they asked: "why isn't it done yet ?" "When can we demo 
> it ?", etc, etc.
> ...and on and on it goes.
> If I was billing at $100+/hr, I wouldn't get bothered by this. But at 
> half that rate, I'm a bit PO'd.
>
>
>
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>



--
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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Thu Nov 29 13:33:16 2012
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2012 14:33:16 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Need for an Access programmer
In-Reply-To: <A02C0D9F79494738B33D96FED9609159@XPS>
References: <201211261751.qAQHpFOR024710@databaseadvisors.com>
	<3026C7D3773B4DEBACDB95033CD09A97@HAL9007>
	<7D6E532028614C6BBD2C2179695E09DC@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<93D10F008B998B4A83BCA855A33EEF372C895256@CINMBCNA01.e2k.ad.ge.com>
	<00ee01cdccbd$c7872320$56956960$@net>
	<CAGuQ9V7LS8WYhvQ6mbVia9CdJsiPqCaipCFa1BvjapdDYw2TjA@mail.gmail.com>
	<68F92B3316A24ADCA019324EA79D2DE1@XPS>
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	<F942C5CA5FD94AF7B3B851B24D6D02E9@XPS>
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	<CAGuQ9V50QwFw53TGX3Av+o1tN7pqEqnLu4EEAqAxF0we7tVatA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAGuQ9V6sHY=H7ppKWq8_n=V0q_Qq-As3mVrCfpnqCBnOemGc5Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<CACbV_8NboajEAgsSGTrHD=stTkg00t+r66S8Wgf5mDWQv=Bu=g@mail.gmail.com>
	<8E4BADF3424E432497C630B53B895D7D@XPS>
	<000601cdce5b$263d26a0$72b773e0$@net>
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	<A02C0D9F79494738B33D96FED9609159@XPS>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1iWecjxmborKOWebfUE3Cr69GQoOhLuxNNte331+c3bSA@mail.gmail.com>

Wow that was about the finest compliment that I have ever received in my
life. Thanks! I'm sheepish in the wake of that, wow, thanks! So I better
complete this thing and pray that it sees the light of production! One out
of 35 is hardly a stellar record, but it's better than 0/35.

This is obviously way OT, but it is non-trivial to write something like
this. I have done a ton of research, and a bunch of it makes me wretch, but
that makes it more necessary to tell the story. For example, an election
poster from the B.C. Liberal party in 1935: headline is "Beware the Yellow
Peril" and it talks about forbidding the Chinese people from importing
their wives (these are the people who built the Trans-Canad Railroad). This
stuff has got to be expressed. People need to know what MoFos the white
population circa 1900 were in Canada, our beloved nation that only now
embraces multiculturalism.

In prep for this next major undertaking, I've been doing a LOT of research,
and I am ashamed and embarrassed and I guess humiliated by what I've
discovered. Obviously I was not alive in 1935, but when I review this stuff
and realize what a racist party the Liberals were in that era, it makes me
want to puke.

Somebody's got to tell this story, and apparently no one but me is willing
to step up to the table. So be it. I have the chops. I'm no screenwriting
legend but I can tell this story, with conviction.

And so, if you don't find me responding on this group as often as I used
to, please understand that I have another fish to fry. But even having said
that, you can rest assured that I'll be here if not every day, then every
other day, because I consider this well a most worthy place from which to
drink.

A.

From edzedz at comcast.net  Thu Nov 29 14:53:37 2012
From: edzedz at comcast.net (edzedz at comcast.net)
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2012 20:53:37 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [AccessD] Event Flag or Error Flag with Data Change
Message-ID: <456277404.703794.1354222417464.JavaMail.root@sz0143a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>


Dear A ccessd, 

Is there any API or tool that will raise an event flag, or 
something, if the data is changed within a field of a table ? 

It would be great is such is available in Ms-Access. 

Also are there other databases or development environments that 
can preform that kind of action say with mySql, MSFT-SQL, etc ? 

Thanks. 

Sincerely, 
Ed Zuris. 


From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Thu Nov 29 14:55:12 2012
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2012 06:55:12 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Need to access EDI Audit Trail (Flat File) and Not
	Allow Updates
In-Reply-To: <E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C501792B93@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
References: <02ff01cdccf4$1eba8840$5c2f98c0$@activebilling.com.au>,
	<E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C501792B93@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
Message-ID: <50B7CBB0.24002.42B1079@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

Create a copy of the file and open that for them with Notepad?   Then they can do what they 
want with the data,


On 29 Nov 2012 at 12:35, Brad Marks wrote:

> All,
> 
> We have an EDI application that has been built with Access 2007.  It
> works nicely.
> 
> Recently there has been a request to add a new feature to the system
> that will allow the users to see the generated EDI audit trail file.
> This is a flat file.
> 
> I have added a button to the main form to open the Audit Trail file with
> notepad.  This works fine, except that now there is a possibility that
> the users could accidentally change the data in this file.
> 
> I don't think that I can set security to overcome this issue, because
> the EDI Application adds records to this Audit Trail file (behind the
> scenes).
> 
> I thought that another possible solution would be to treat the Audit
> Trail file as Linked Table in Access.
> 
> The catch is that the fields in the records are not delimited and the
> records can be over 256 bytes.
> 
> Is there a way to tell Access to treat the records as one big memo
> field?
> 
> Maybe there is another way to handle this situation.
> 
> Thanks,
> Brad       
> 
> -- 
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> 



From rusty.hammond at cpiqpc.com  Thu Nov 29 15:11:12 2012
From: rusty.hammond at cpiqpc.com (Rusty Hammond)
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2012 15:11:12 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Need to access EDI Audit Trail (Flat File) and Not
	AllowUpdates
In-Reply-To: <E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C501792B93@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
References: <02ff01cdccf4$1eba8840$5c2f98c0$@activebilling.com.au><09CD4682077B4257ABC6EE06D6D6D938@HAL9007><033701cdccfb$e4f87c40$aee974c0$@activebilling.com.au><73592D3CE14647F5866B29CA6694EDEE@HAL9007><37A418EE953D494389E1CFD00DA03D70@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C501792B93@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
Message-ID: <49A286ABF515E94A8505CD14DEB721701F38F801@CPIEMAIL-EVS1.CPIQPC.NET>

Have you tried linking it as a fixed width text file and specify one
field with a width of 999?

Rusty

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brad Marks
Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 12:35 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Need to access EDI Audit Trail (Flat File) and Not
AllowUpdates

All,

We have an EDI application that has been built with Access 2007.  It
works nicely.

Recently there has been a request to add a new feature to the system
that will allow the users to see the generated EDI audit trail file.
This is a flat file.

I have added a button to the main form to open the Audit Trail file with
notepad.  This works fine, except that now there is a possibility that
the users could accidentally change the data in this file.

I don't think that I can set security to overcome this issue, because
the EDI Application adds records to this Audit Trail file (behind the
scenes).

I thought that another possible solution would be to treat the Audit
Trail file as Linked Table in Access.

The catch is that the fields in the records are not delimited and the
records can be over 256 bytes.

Is there a way to tell Access to treat the records as one big memo
field?

Maybe there is another way to handle this situation.

Thanks,
Brad       

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From jackandpat.d at gmail.com  Thu Nov 29 15:12:31 2012
From: jackandpat.d at gmail.com (jack drawbridge)
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2012 16:12:31 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Need to access EDI Audit Trail (Flat File) and Not
 Allow Updates
In-Reply-To: <E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C501792B93@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
References: <02ff01cdccf4$1eba8840$5c2f98c0$@activebilling.com.au>
	<09CD4682077B4257ABC6EE06D6D6D938@HAL9007>
	<033701cdccfb$e4f87c40$aee974c0$@activebilling.com.au>
	<73592D3CE14647F5866B29CA6694EDEE@HAL9007>
	<37A418EE953D494389E1CFD00DA03D70@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C501792B93@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
Message-ID: <CAKvidAvEf+LoMvN6OvTuctXE7Odtx91byJE5UgNOWqcU_h=8nA@mail.gmail.com>

Brad,, I don't really  know how to do what you're asking, but just thinking
as I'm typing here---
Since anyone who wants to see the Log would only be interested in what is
currently in the log (available up to the time they make a request), they
really don't have a need to see the "Log file" per se. They could be shown
a Read Only copy (from the instant they make the request so to speak) --
and leave the real Log for continued system/processing activity.

So if they were to get to the LogCopy, and alter the attributes from
readOnly  and then alter some data-- they are still working with a copy.

I don't know if that helps, but does keep them from the "production/active"
log.

Anyway, that and a $1.80 might get you a coffee..

Jack

On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 1:35 PM, Brad Marks <BradM at blackforestltd.com>wrote:

> All,
>
> We have an EDI application that has been built with Access 2007.  It
> works nicely.
>
> Recently there has been a request to add a new feature to the system
> that will allow the users to see the generated EDI audit trail file.
> This is a flat file.
>
> I have added a button to the main form to open the Audit Trail file with
> notepad.  This works fine, except that now there is a possibility that
> the users could accidentally change the data in this file.
>
> I don't think that I can set security to overcome this issue, because
> the EDI Application adds records to this Audit Trail file (behind the
> scenes).
>
> I thought that another possible solution would be to treat the Audit
> Trail file as Linked Table in Access.
>
> The catch is that the fields in the records are not delimited and the
> records can be over 256 bytes.
>
> Is there a way to tell Access to treat the records as one big memo
> field?
>
> Maybe there is another way to handle this situation.
>
> Thanks,
> Brad
>
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>

From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Thu Nov 29 15:14:02 2012
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2012 07:14:02 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Event Flag or Error Flag with Data Change
In-Reply-To: <456277404.703794.1354222417464.JavaMail.root@sz0143a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
References: <456277404.703794.1354222417464.JavaMail.root@sz0143a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <50B7D01A.30858.43C4DC7@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

Access 10 - Table macros

Open the table in Design View, 
select Design - Create Design Macro - After Update

You can then select such actions as Raise Error, Log Event, Send Email.

-- 
Stuart

On 29 Nov 2012 at 20:53, edzedz at comcast.net wrote:

> 
> Dear A ccessd, 
> 
> Is there any API or tool that will raise an event flag, or 
> something, if the data is changed within a field of a table ? 
> 
> It would be great is such is available in Ms-Access. 
> 
> Also are there other databases or development environments that 
> can preform that kind of action say with mySql, MSFT-SQL, etc ? 
> 
> Thanks. 
> 
> Sincerely, 
> Ed Zuris. 
> 
> -- 
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 



From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Thu Nov 29 15:24:47 2012
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2012 07:24:47 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Event Flag or Error Flag with Data Change
In-Reply-To: <50B7D01A.30858.43C4DC7@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <456277404.703794.1354222417464.JavaMail.root@sz0143a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>,
	<50B7D01A.30858.43C4DC7@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <50B7D29F.3189.44623CB@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

That is of course Access 2010 ( aka Access 14)

-- 
Stuart

On 30 Nov 2012 at 7:14, Stuart McLachlan wrote:

> Access 10 - Table macros
> 
> Open the table in Design View, 
> select Design - Create Design Macro - After Update
> 
> You can then select such actions as Raise Error, Log Event, Send Email.
> 
> -- 
> Stuart
> 
> On 29 Nov 2012 at 20:53, edzedz at comcast.net wrote:
> 
> > 
> > Dear A ccessd, 
> > 
> > Is there any API or tool that will raise an event flag, or 
> > something, if the data is changed within a field of a table ? 
> > 
> > It would be great is such is available in Ms-Access. 
> > 
> > Also are there other databases or development environments that 
> > can preform that kind of action say with mySql, MSFT-SQL, etc ? 
> > 
> > Thanks. 
> > 
> > Sincerely, 
> > Ed Zuris. 
> > 
> > -- 
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > 
> 
> 
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From guss at beechnutconsulting.com  Thu Nov 29 16:25:14 2012
From: guss at beechnutconsulting.com (Guss Ginsburg)
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2012 16:25:14 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] [SPAM] Re:  Need for an Access programmer
In-Reply-To: <93D10F008B998B4A83BCA855A33EEF372C89622D@CINMBCNA01.e2k.ad.ge.com>
References: <201211261751.qAQHpFOR024710@databaseadvisors.com>	<3026C7D3773B4DEBACDB95033CD09A97@HAL9007>	<7D6E532028614C6BBD2C2179695E09DC@creativesystemdesigns.com>	<93D10F008B998B4A83BCA855A33EEF372C895256@CINMBCNA01.e2k.ad.ge.com>	<00ee01cdccbd$c7872320$56956960$@net>	<CAGuQ9V7LS8WYhvQ6mbVia9CdJsiPqCaipCFa1BvjapdDYw2TjA@mail.gmail.com>	<68F92B3316A24ADCA019324EA79D2DE1@XPS>	<CAGuQ9V6j7YaHHpuuQrzNp5ZFG7yP86=A5y7dCPO1G8HgbFAotA@mail.gmail.com>	<F942C5CA5FD94AF7B3B851B24D6D02E9@XPS>	<93D10F008B998B4A83BCA855A33EEF372C895AB0@CINMBCNA01.e2k.ad.ge.com>	<CAGuQ9V50QwFw53TGX3Av+o1tN7pqEqnLu4EEAqAxF0we7tVatA@mail.gmail.com>	<CAGuQ9V6sHY=H7ppKWq8_n=V0q_Qq-As3mVrCfpnqCBnOemGc5Q@mail.gmail.com>	<50B77353.7080908@colbyconsulting.com>
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Just another point of reference - when times are good, you get to be so busy
that you cannot complete all your work.  Basic laws of supply and demand
apply - when supplies (our labor services) become tight, the price gets bid
up; conversely, when supplies are plentiful (as in a lot of places given the
current state of the economy) the price will decline.  In a strong economy,
where demand for your services is very strong, you can raise your rates and
they will stick until the economy weakens.  Of course, lowering your rate is
something you always hate to do, partly being an ego thing.

An observation on tiered pricing - suggest charging for the first 16 hrs at
your prime rate, then additional hours are discounted.  The more hours you
can bill before having to get out and sell again has real economic value,
and you can offer a discount because it makes economic sense for you to have
lower overall selling and marketing expenses. 


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Benson, William
(GE Global Research, consultant)
Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 8:56 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] [SPAM] Re: Need for an Access programmer

>> You do seem rather hung up on this though.  Just sayin'.
Not actually, but it is all about timing.
I am running low on client work and therefore thinking about the best model
to offer services.
And I opened the floor to other opinions (which you kindly offered).


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 9:38 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] [SPAM] Re: Need for an Access programmer

LOL, I think it is not good for you because it makes you uncomfortable.

I think what it intended to do is raise the average hours.  Of course if the
client targets this and always gives you 17 hours then you lose.  However I
think the client is going to have a hard time knowing how many hours a task
is going to take so if it does anything it would cause the client to keep
you busy, in which case you win, even if at a lower rate.

These "tiered" rate plans are common across retail so it must work.  It is
up to you to determine what the tiers are which work for you.  Or don't do
it at all.

You do seem rather hung up on this though.  Just sayin'.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 11/29/2012 6:47 AM, William Benson wrote:
> I started thinking of all the ways this could bite me and create 
> two-way tension due to variableness such as the fact that a 20 % 
> discount for >16 hrs means I actually make Less working 19 hours than I
would working 16.
>
> I certainly dont want to have the last word I think some other 
> professional consultants and people-finders should weigh in.
>
> General audience:  Do other people think it is good to lower one's 
> rate based on work level?
>
> This might just me a YMMV issue.
>

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From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au  Thu Nov 29 17:17:11 2012
From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins)
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2012 23:17:11 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Need for an Access programmer
In-Reply-To: <CACbV_8NboajEAgsSGTrHD=stTkg00t+r66S8Wgf5mDWQv=Bu=g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <201211261751.qAQHpFOR024710@databaseadvisors.com>
	<3026C7D3773B4DEBACDB95033CD09A97@HAL9007>
	<7D6E532028614C6BBD2C2179695E09DC@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<93D10F008B998B4A83BCA855A33EEF372C895256@CINMBCNA01.e2k.ad.ge.com>
	<00ee01cdccbd$c7872320$56956960$@net>
	<CAGuQ9V7LS8WYhvQ6mbVia9CdJsiPqCaipCFa1BvjapdDYw2TjA@mail.gmail.com>
	<68F92B3316A24ADCA019324EA79D2DE1@XPS>
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	<F942C5CA5FD94AF7B3B851B24D6D02E9@XPS>
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Yeah, I do the same thing as well.  If they have been a good long term client, I cut them a lot of slack on the billing.



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Hewson
Sent: Friday, 30 November 2012 1:56 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Need for an Access programmer

I don't lower my rate for any reason.  I have increased my rate for difficult clients or for those that I have had trouble with in the past.
Those clients that I really enjoy working with, are non-profit or that I know can't afford a lot - I have just charged less hours.

Jim
On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 5:47 AM, William Benson <vbacreations at gmail.com>wrote:

> I started thinking of all the ways this could bite me and create 
> two-way tension due to variableness such as the fact that a 20 % 
> discount for >16 hrs means I actually make Less working 19 hours than I would working 16.
>
> I certainly dont want to have the last word I think some other 
> professional consultants and people-finders should weigh in.
>
> General audience:  Do other people think it is good to lower one's 
> rate based on work level?
>
> This might just me a YMMV issue.
> --
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From Benson at ge.com  Thu Nov 29 17:40:43 2012
From: Benson at ge.com (Benson, William (GE Global Research, consultant))
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2012 23:40:43 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Need for an Access programmer
In-Reply-To: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B53436BC39@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
References: <201211261751.qAQHpFOR024710@databaseadvisors.com>
	<3026C7D3773B4DEBACDB95033CD09A97@HAL9007>
	<7D6E532028614C6BBD2C2179695E09DC@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<93D10F008B998B4A83BCA855A33EEF372C895256@CINMBCNA01.e2k.ad.ge.com>
	<00ee01cdccbd$c7872320$56956960$@net>
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	<68F92B3316A24ADCA019324EA79D2DE1@XPS>
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	<F942C5CA5FD94AF7B3B851B24D6D02E9@XPS>
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	<CACbV_8NboajEAgsSGTrHD=stTkg00t+r66S8Wgf5mDWQv=Bu=g@mail.gmail.com>
	<56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B53436BC39@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <93D10F008B998B4A83BCA855A33EEF372C896595@CINMBCNA01.e2k.ad.ge.com>

>> If they have been a good long term client, I cut them a lot of slack on the billing.

And probably you have also been a good long term consultant ... someone who has proved yourself over and over to be worth every dime they pay you...

Don't you deserve raises, rather than "cutting the client" slack? When's the last time they cut you a bonus check or offered to pay part of your benefits, or to buy you a new PC or to put money into a retirement fund for you or ... or ... right - never.

I went from charging my main client 45 to 55 (2009-10), then from 55 to 65 (2011) and now it's 75 (Dec-2012). Each time they have agreed that I am worth the money - not that they are admitting to have the budget to use me as much, but I have a sneaking suspicion I am not going to be terminated any time soon. Stuff has to get done and I am one of the few they have found who can reliably think through a project, take leadership if necessary, and get it done with my technical capabilities - much faster and cheaper than getting other kinds of IT outsourcing.

My point is not to say I am or am not worth the money (some days yes, definitely - some days, no way!), but what I DO say is, if you have *proved* yourself invaluable and indispensable, why reduce(!!) your rate - jack it up!!

This whole discussion has been amusing to me to see so many different perspectives.

B
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darryl Collins
Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 6:17 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Need for an Access programmer

Yeah, I do the same thing as well.  If they have been a good long term client, I cut them a lot of slack on the billing.



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Hewson
Sent: Friday, 30 November 2012 1:56 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Need for an Access programmer

I don't lower my rate for any reason.  I have increased my rate for difficult clients or for those that I have had trouble with in the past.
Those clients that I really enjoy working with, are non-profit or that I know can't afford a lot - I have just charged less hours.

Jim
On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 5:47 AM, William Benson <vbacreations at gmail.com>wrote:

> I started thinking of all the ways this could bite me and create 
> two-way tension due to variableness such as the fact that a 20 % 
> discount for >16 hrs means I actually make Less working 19 hours than I would working 16.
>
> I certainly dont want to have the last word I think some other 
> professional consultants and people-finders should weigh in.
>
> General audience:  Do other people think it is good to lower one's 
> rate based on work level?
>
> This might just me a YMMV issue.
> --
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> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
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From vbacreations at gmail.com  Thu Nov 29 20:46:49 2012
From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson)
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2012 21:46:49 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Event Flag or Error Flag with Data Change
In-Reply-To: <50B7D01A.30858.43C4DC7@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <456277404.703794.1354222417464.JavaMail.root@sz0143a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
	<50B7D01A.30858.43C4DC7@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <CAGuQ9V7EHNPP2RD=ks=QHe7efSB6gr9bUagKQmGQZqYny1DHaw@mail.gmail.com>

RAISING the error is not a problem but something has to trigger it and
knowing when a table is changed is a problem.

There is nothing I can think of short of a scheduled task that open a
database and run a scan of records (preferably with an iron clad
timestamping policy) to see if something changed since the last check.

When we knew a system was changing records thru java functions and failing
to update the user and timestamp I wrote routines that mailed me database
snapshots every hour, harvested them from outlook attachments, imported
them into my own standalone access database using a import specification
then ran a record by record field by field check looking for items that
changed without updates to the last modified user id and last modified date.

When we found this we knew something changed within that hour and we looked
at user logs to see who was online at that time then asked them what they
did. Sometimes we got good info leads and sometimes not.... but we did
eventually track down the problems this way (snapshot & compare).


...grabled by smrat phonn as ususl
On Nov 29, 2012 4:15 PM, "Stuart McLachlan" <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg> wrote:

> Access 10 - Table macros
>
> Open the table in Design View,
> select Design - Create Design Macro - After Update
>
> You can then select such actions as Raise Error, Log Event, Send Email.
>
> --
> Stuart
>
> On 29 Nov 2012 at 20:53, edzedz at comcast.net wrote:
>
> >
> > Dear A ccessd,
> >
> > Is there any API or tool that will raise an event flag, or
> > something, if the data is changed within a field of a table ?
> >
> > It would be great is such is available in Ms-Access.
> >
> > Also are there other databases or development environments that
> > can preform that kind of action say with mySql, MSFT-SQL, etc ?
> >
> > Thanks.
> >
> > Sincerely,
> > Ed Zuris.
> >
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Thu Nov 29 21:17:39 2012
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2012 13:17:39 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Event Flag or Error Flag with Data Change
In-Reply-To: <CAGuQ9V7EHNPP2RD=ks=QHe7efSB6gr9bUagKQmGQZqYny1DHaw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <456277404.703794.1354222417464.JavaMail.root@sz0143a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>,
	<50B7D01A.30858.43C4DC7@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>,
	<CAGuQ9V7EHNPP2RD=ks=QHe7efSB6gr9bUagKQmGQZqYny1DHaw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <50B82553.12747.5893484@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

That's the whole point of Access 2010's  Table Macros.

Any relevant change to the data in the table automagically triggers the defined macro. 

They have removed the requirement to externally monitor the tables changes. 

-- 
Stuart

On 29 Nov 2012 at 21:46, William Benson wrote:

> RAISING the error is not a problem but something has to trigger it and
> knowing when a table is changed is a problem.
> 
> There is nothing I can think of short of a scheduled task that open a
> database and run a scan of records (preferably with an iron clad
> timestamping policy) to see if something changed since the last check.
> 
> When we knew a system was changing records thru java functions and failing
> to update the user and timestamp I wrote routines that mailed me database
> snapshots every hour, harvested them from outlook attachments, imported
> them into my own standalone access database using a import specification
> then ran a record by record field by field check looking for items that
> changed without updates to the last modified user id and last modified date.
> 
> When we found this we knew something changed within that hour and we looked
> at user logs to see who was online at that time then asked them what they
> did. Sometimes we got good info leads and sometimes not.... but we did
> eventually track down the problems this way (snapshot & compare).
> 
> 
> ...grabled by smrat phonn as ususl
> On Nov 29, 2012 4:15 PM, "Stuart McLachlan" <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg> wrote:
> 
> > Access 10 - Table macros
> >
> > Open the table in Design View,
> > select Design - Create Design Macro - After Update
> >
> > You can then select such actions as Raise Error, Log Event, Send Email.
> >
> > --
> > Stuart


From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au  Thu Nov 29 21:44:34 2012
From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins)
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2012 03:44:34 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Event Flag or Error Flag with Data Change
In-Reply-To: <50B82553.12747.5893484@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <456277404.703794.1354222417464.JavaMail.root@sz0143a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>,
	<50B7D01A.30858.43C4DC7@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>,
	<CAGuQ9V7EHNPP2RD=ks=QHe7efSB6gr9bUagKQmGQZqYny1DHaw@mail.gmail.com>
	<50B82553.12747.5893484@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B53436BDFA@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>

>From what I understand it is a similar concept to triggers in SQL Server.  But I haven't had the need to play around with that functionality in A2010 my current role so I have zip experience of them.  But it all sounds very promising.

Cheers
Darryl

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
Sent: Friday, 30 November 2012 2:18 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Event Flag or Error Flag with Data Change

That's the whole point of Access 2010's  Table Macros.

Any relevant change to the data in the table automagically triggers the defined macro. 

They have removed the requirement to externally monitor the tables changes. 

--
Stuart

On 29 Nov 2012 at 21:46, William Benson wrote:

> RAISING the error is not a problem but something has to trigger it and 
> knowing when a table is changed is a problem.
> 
> There is nothing I can think of short of a scheduled task that open a 
> database and run a scan of records (preferably with an iron clad 
> timestamping policy) to see if something changed since the last check.
> 
> When we knew a system was changing records thru java functions and 
> failing to update the user and timestamp I wrote routines that mailed 
> me database snapshots every hour, harvested them from outlook 
> attachments, imported them into my own standalone access database 
> using a import specification then ran a record by record field by 
> field check looking for items that changed without updates to the last modified user id and last modified date.
> 
> When we found this we knew something changed within that hour and we 
> looked at user logs to see who was online at that time then asked them 
> what they did. Sometimes we got good info leads and sometimes not.... 
> but we did eventually track down the problems this way (snapshot & compare).
> 
> 
> ...grabled by smrat phonn as ususl
> On Nov 29, 2012 4:15 PM, "Stuart McLachlan" <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg> wrote:
> 
> > Access 10 - Table macros
> >
> > Open the table in Design View,
> > select Design - Create Design Macro - After Update
> >
> > You can then select such actions as Raise Error, Log Event, Send Email.
> >
> > --
> > Stuart

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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Thu Nov 29 23:10:00 2012
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2012 15:10:00 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Event Flag or Error Flag with Data Change
In-Reply-To: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B53436BDFA@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
References: <456277404.703794.1354222417464.JavaMail.root@sz0143a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>,
	<50B82553.12747.5893484@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>,
	<56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B53436BDFA@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <50B83FA8.23031.5F00FC7@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

Yes, same concept - but not nearly as powerful.

The table macros are failry limited in what you can do and the design interface is a POS.

;-{

-- 
Stuart

On 30 Nov 2012 at 3:44, Darryl Collins wrote:

> From what I understand it is a similar concept to triggers in SQL
> Server.  But I haven't had the need to play around with that
> functionality in A2010 my current role so I have zip experience of
> them.  But it all sounds very promising. 
> 
> Cheers
> Darryl
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
> Sent: Friday, 30 November 2012 2:18 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Event Flag or Error Flag with Data Change
> 
> That's the whole point of Access 2010's  Table Macros.
> 
> Any relevant change to the data in the table automagically triggers the defined macro. 
> 
> They have removed the requirement to externally monitor the tables changes. 
> 
> --
> Stuart
> 


From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au  Thu Nov 29 23:21:33 2012
From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins)
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2012 05:21:33 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Event Flag or Error Flag with Data Change
In-Reply-To: <50B83FA8.23031.5F00FC7@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <456277404.703794.1354222417464.JavaMail.root@sz0143a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>,
	<50B82553.12747.5893484@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>,
	<56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B53436BDFA@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
	<50B83FA8.23031.5F00FC7@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B53436BEBD@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>

Thanks Stuart,

Good to know there is 'something' there if I ever need it.  I did use triggers in SQL server a lot back in the day and they were awesome.

Cheers
Darryl

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
Sent: Friday, 30 November 2012 4:10 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Event Flag or Error Flag with Data Change

Yes, same concept - but not nearly as powerful.

The table macros are failry limited in what you can do and the design interface is a POS.

;-{

--
Stuart

On 30 Nov 2012 at 3:44, Darryl Collins wrote:

> From what I understand it is a similar concept to triggers in SQL 
> Server.  But I haven't had the need to play around with that 
> functionality in A2010 my current role so I have zip experience of 
> them.  But it all sounds very promising.
> 
> Cheers
> Darryl
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart 
> McLachlan
> Sent: Friday, 30 November 2012 2:18 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Event Flag or Error Flag with Data Change
> 
> That's the whole point of Access 2010's  Table Macros.
> 
> Any relevant change to the data in the table automagically triggers the defined macro. 
> 
> They have removed the requirement to externally monitor the tables changes. 
> 
> --
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> 

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From newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz  Thu Nov 29 23:21:33 2012
From: newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz (David Emerson)
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2012 18:21:33 +1300
Subject: [AccessD] Granting permissions to new SQL Table
Message-ID: <002301cdceba$9044f690$b0cee3b0$@dalyn.co.nz>

Fellow listers,

 

I have an SQL 2012 R2 database with the following in a stored procedure:

 

      IF EXISTS(SELECT table_name FROM information_schema.tables WHERE
table_name = 'ttmpFaultGraphReprocessm') 

         DROP TABLE ttmpFaultGraphReprocessm

 

      CREATE TABLE dbo.ttmpFaultGraphReprocessm (Department varchar(50))

      GRANT SELECT, INSERT, UPDATE ON [dbo].[ttmpFaultGraphReprocessm] TO
[CompanyUser]

 

When I (as the database owner) run the sproc it works as expected.  When any
user (who is a member of the CompanyUser role) tries to run it the table is
created but the sproc stops at the Grant select line with the error "Cannot
find the object 'ttmpFaultGraphReprocessm', because it does not exist or you
do not have permission.  If I go into SQL I can see the table created but
there are no permissions set.

 

What permissions does the CompanyUser role need to have to be able to grant
permissions to the table?  It needs to be recreated because further down the
sproc adds further columns based on other data.

 

Regards

David Emerson
Dalyn Software Ltd
Wellington, New Zealand

 

 


From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Fri Nov 30 01:00:16 2012
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2012 17:00:16 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Granting permissions to new SQL Table
In-Reply-To: <002301cdceba$9044f690$b0cee3b0$@dalyn.co.nz>
References: <002301cdceba$9044f690$b0cee3b0$@dalyn.co.nz>
Message-ID: <50B85980.17389.6550232@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

I thinky will find the problem is your use of dbo.

http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa905208%28v=sql.80%29.aspx

Do really want to create the temp table under dbo rather than under the user?

-- 
Stuart

On 30 Nov 2012 at 18:21, David Emerson wrote:

> Fellow listers,
> 
>  I
> 
> I have an SQL 2012 R2 database with the following in a stored procedure:
> 
>  
> 
>       IF EXISTS(SELECT table_name FROM information_schema.tables WHERE
> table_name = 'ttmpFaultGraphReprocessm') 
> 
>          DROP TABLE ttmpFaultGraphReprocessm
> 
>  
> 
>       CREATE TABLE dbo.ttmpFaultGraphReprocessm (Department varchar(50))
> 
>       GRANT SELECT, INSERT, UPDATE ON [dbo].[ttmpFaultGraphReprocessm] TO
> [CompanyUser]
> 
>  
> 
> When I (as the database owner) run the sproc it works as expected.  When any
> user (who is a member of the CompanyUser role) tries to run it the table is
> created but the sproc stops at the Grant select line with the error "Cannot
> find the object 'ttmpFaultGraphReprocessm', because it does not exist or you
> do not have permission.  If I go into SQL I can see the table created but
> there are no permissions set.
> 
>  
> 
> What permissions does the CompanyUser role need to have to be able to grant
> permissions to the table?  It needs to be recreated because further down the
> sproc adds further columns based on other data.
> 
>  
> 
> Regards
> 
> David Emerson
> Dalyn Software Ltd
> Wellington, New Zealand
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
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From newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz  Fri Nov 30 01:19:29 2012
From: newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz (David Emerson)
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2012 20:19:29 +1300
Subject: [AccessD] Granting permissions to new SQL Table
In-Reply-To: <50B85980.17389.6550232@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <002301cdceba$9044f690$b0cee3b0$@dalyn.co.nz>
	<50B85980.17389.6550232@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <003101cdcecb$096158b0$1c240a10$@dalyn.co.nz>

I was using DBO for convenience as once the tables are created they are used
in other stored procedures by the same user as the source for reports.  If I
leave dbo off and just refer to the table name, will other procedures that
also just use the table name (which would not be prefixed with dbo) know
which table to use?
David

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
Sent: Friday, 30 November 2012 8:00 p.m.
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Granting permissions to new SQL Table

I thinky will find the problem is your use of dbo.

http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa905208%28v=sql.80%29.aspx

Do really want to create the temp table under dbo rather than under the
user?

--
Stuart

On 30 Nov 2012 at 18:21, David Emerson wrote:

> Fellow listers,
> 
> I have an SQL 2012 R2 database with the following in a stored procedure:
> 
>        IF EXISTS(SELECT table_name FROM information_schema.tables WHERE
table_name = 'ttmpFaultGraphReprocessm')
> 
>       DROP TABLE ttmpFaultGraphReprocessm
>       CREATE TABLE dbo.ttmpFaultGraphReprocessm (Department varchar(50))
> 
>       GRANT SELECT, INSERT, UPDATE ON [dbo].[ttmpFaultGraphReprocessm] TO
[CompanyUser]
> 
> When I (as the database owner) run the sproc it works as expected.  
> When any user (who is a member of the CompanyUser role) tries to run 
> it the table is created but the sproc stops at the Grant select line 
> with the error "Cannot find the object 'ttmpFaultGraphReprocessm', 
> because it does not exist or you do not have permission.  If I go into 
> SQL I can see the table created but there are no permissions set.
> 
> What permissions does the CompanyUser role need to have to be able to 
> grant permissions to the table?  It needs to be recreated because 
> further down the sproc adds further columns based on other data.
> 
> Regards
> 
> David Emerson
> Dalyn Software Ltd
> Wellington, New Zealand


From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Fri Nov 30 02:02:43 2012
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2012 18:02:43 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Granting permissions to new SQL Table
In-Reply-To: <003101cdcecb$096158b0$1c240a10$@dalyn.co.nz>
References: <002301cdceba$9044f690$b0cee3b0$@dalyn.co.nz>,
	<50B85980.17389.6550232@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>,
	<003101cdcecb$096158b0$1c240a10$@dalyn.co.nz>
Message-ID: <50B86823.2713.68E30E1@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

Yes.  Next page after the previous link:

http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa905163%28v=sql.80%29.aspx

<quote>
 If an object is not qualified with the object owner when it is referenced (for example, 
my_table instead of owner.my_table), SQL Server looks for an object in the database in the 
following order:

    1. Owned by the current user.
    2. Owned by dbo.
</quote>

-- 
Stuart

On 30 Nov 2012 at 20:19, David Emerson wrote:

> I was using DBO for convenience as once the tables are created they are used
> in other stored procedures by the same user as the source for reports.  If I
> leave dbo off and just refer to the table name, will other procedures that
> also just use the table name (which would not be prefixed with dbo) know
> which table to use?
> David
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
> Sent: Friday, 30 November 2012 8:00 p.m.
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Granting permissions to new SQL Table
> 
> I thinky will find the problem is your use of dbo.
> 
> http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa905208%28v=sql.80%29.aspx
> 
> Do really want to create the temp table under dbo rather than under the
> user?
> 
> --
> Stuart
> 
> On 30 Nov 2012 at 18:21, David Emerson wrote:
> 
> > Fellow listers,
> > 
> > I have an SQL 2012 R2 database with the following in a stored procedure:
> > 
> >        IF EXISTS(SELECT table_name FROM information_schema.tables WHERE
> table_name = 'ttmpFaultGraphReprocessm')
> > 
> >       DROP TABLE ttmpFaultGraphReprocessm
> >       CREATE TABLE dbo.ttmpFaultGraphReprocessm (Department varchar(50))
> > 
> >       GRANT SELECT, INSERT, UPDATE ON [dbo].[ttmpFaultGraphReprocessm] TO
> [CompanyUser]
> > 
> > When I (as the database owner) run the sproc it works as expected.  
> > When any user (who is a member of the CompanyUser role) tries to run 
> > it the table is created but the sproc stops at the Grant select line 
> > with the error "Cannot find the object 'ttmpFaultGraphReprocessm', 
> > because it does not exist or you do not have permission.  If I go into 
> > SQL I can see the table created but there are no permissions set.
> > 
> > What permissions does the CompanyUser role need to have to be able to 
> > grant permissions to the table?  It needs to be recreated because 
> > further down the sproc adds further columns based on other data.
> > 
> > Regards
> > 
> > David Emerson
> > Dalyn Software Ltd
> > Wellington, New Zealand
> 
> -- 
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From newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz  Fri Nov 30 02:23:09 2012
From: newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz (David Emerson)
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2012 21:23:09 +1300
Subject: [AccessD] Granting permissions to new SQL Table
In-Reply-To: <50B86823.2713.68E30E1@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <002301cdceba$9044f690$b0cee3b0$@dalyn.co.nz>,
	<50B85980.17389.6550232@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>,
	<003101cdcecb$096158b0$1c240a10$@dalyn.co.nz>
	<50B86823.2713.68E30E1@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <003701cdced3$eeccc170$cc664450$@dalyn.co.nz>

Thanks Stuart.  Much appreciated

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
Sent: Friday, 30 November 2012 9:03 p.m.
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Granting permissions to new SQL Table

Yes.  Next page after the previous link:

http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa905163%28v=sql.80%29.aspx

<quote>
 If an object is not qualified with the object owner when it is referenced
(for example, my_table instead of owner.my_table), SQL Server looks for an
object in the database in the following order:

    1. Owned by the current user.
    2. Owned by dbo.
</quote>

--
Stuart

On 30 Nov 2012 at 20:19, David Emerson wrote:

> I was using DBO for convenience as once the tables are created they 
> are used in other stored procedures by the same user as the source for 
> reports.  If I leave dbo off and just refer to the table name, will 
> other procedures that also just use the table name (which would not be 
> prefixed with dbo) know which table to use?
> David
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart 
> McLachlan
> Sent: Friday, 30 November 2012 8:00 p.m.
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Granting permissions to new SQL Table
> 
> I thinky will find the problem is your use of dbo.
> 
> http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa905208%28v=sql.80%29.aspx
> 
> Do really want to create the temp table under dbo rather than under 
> the user?
> 
> --
> Stuart
> 
> On 30 Nov 2012 at 18:21, David Emerson wrote:
> 
> > Fellow listers,
> > 
> > I have an SQL 2012 R2 database with the following in a stored procedure:
> > 
> >        IF EXISTS(SELECT table_name FROM information_schema.tables 
> > WHERE
> table_name = 'ttmpFaultGraphReprocessm')
> > 
> >       DROP TABLE ttmpFaultGraphReprocessm
> >       CREATE TABLE dbo.ttmpFaultGraphReprocessm (Department 
> > varchar(50))
> > 
> >       GRANT SELECT, INSERT, UPDATE ON 
> > [dbo].[ttmpFaultGraphReprocessm] TO
> [CompanyUser]
> > 
> > When I (as the database owner) run the sproc it works as expected.  
> > When any user (who is a member of the CompanyUser role) tries to run 
> > it the table is created but the sproc stops at the Grant select line 
> > with the error "Cannot find the object 'ttmpFaultGraphReprocessm', 
> > because it does not exist or you do not have permission.  If I go 
> > into SQL I can see the table created but there are no permissions set.
> > 
> > What permissions does the CompanyUser role need to have to be able 
> > to grant permissions to the table?  It needs to be recreated because 
> > further down the sproc adds further columns based on other data.
> > 
> > Regards
> > 
> > David Emerson
> > Dalyn Software Ltd
> > Wellington, New Zealand
> 
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From jimdettman at verizon.net  Fri Nov 30 07:21:06 2012
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2012 08:21:06 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Need for an Access programmer
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References: <201211261751.qAQHpFOR024710@databaseadvisors.com>
	<3026C7D3773B4DEBACDB95033CD09A97@HAL9007>
	<7D6E532028614C6BBD2C2179695E09DC@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<93D10F008B998B4A83BCA855A33EEF372C895256@CINMBCNA01.e2k.ad.ge.com>
	<00ee01cdccbd$c7872320$56956960$@net>
	<CAGuQ9V7LS8WYhvQ6mbVia9CdJsiPqCaipCFa1BvjapdDYw2TjA@mail.gmail.com>
	<68F92B3316A24ADCA019324EA79D2DE1@XPS>
	<CAGuQ9V6j7YaHHpuuQrzNp5ZFG7yP86=A5y7dCPO1G8HgbFAotA@mail.gmail.com>
	<F942C5CA5FD94AF7B3B851B24D6D02E9@XPS>
	<93D10F008B998B4A83BCA855A33EEF372C895AB0@CINMBCNA01.e2k.ad.ge.com>
	<CAGuQ9V50QwFw53TGX3Av+o1tN7pqEqnLu4EEAqAxF0we7tVatA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAGuQ9V6sHY=H7ppKWq8_n=V0q_Qq-As3mVrCfpnqCBnOemGc5Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<CACbV_8NboajEAgsSGTrHD=stTkg00t+r66S8Wgf5mDWQv=Bu=g@mail.gmail.com>
	<56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B53436BC39@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
	<93D10F008B998B4A83BCA855A33EEF372C896595@CINMBCNA01.e2k.ad.ge.com>
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<<My point is not to say I am or am not worth the money (some days yes,
definitely - some days, no way!), but what I DO say is, if you have *proved*
yourself invaluable and indispensable, why reduce(!!) your rate - jack it
up!!>>

You can do that if you treat each client differently, but even then you
might have a problem if two clients ever decide to exchange notes. You'll
end up with a lot of explaining to do if  one finds out that they are being
charged considerably more then someone else.  I've found that happens more
often then I would have thought, especially when you use one client as a
referral for another.

If you do treat everyone the same, then in raising your rate based on one
client and your worth to them, you may price yourself out of the market for
a lot of other potential clients.

It guess it boils down to how you want to bill; based on value offered or as
a commodity?  I take the viewpoint that I'm a commodity.  While I've never
had a client replace me yet with someone else, I certainly don't consider
myself indispensable for the type of work I do.

<<This whole discussion has been amusing to me to see so many different
perspectives.>>

 That's why this list is so valuable; different strokes for different folks.

Jim.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Benson, William
(GE Global Research, consultant)
Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 06:41 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Need for an Access programmer

>> If they have been a good long term client, I cut them a lot of slack on
the billing.

And probably you have also been a good long term consultant ... someone who
has proved yourself over and over to be worth every dime they pay you...

Don't you deserve raises, rather than "cutting the client" slack? When's the
last time they cut you a bonus check or offered to pay part of your
benefits, or to buy you a new PC or to put money into a retirement fund for
you or ... or ... right - never.

I went from charging my main client 45 to 55 (2009-10), then from 55 to 65
(2011) and now it's 75 (Dec-2012). Each time they have agreed that I am
worth the money - not that they are admitting to have the budget to use me
as much, but I have a sneaking suspicion I am not going to be terminated any
time soon. Stuff has to get done and I am one of the few they have found who
can reliably think through a project, take leadership if necessary, and get
it done with my technical capabilities - much faster and cheaper than
getting other kinds of IT outsourcing.

My point is not to say I am or am not worth the money (some days yes,
definitely - some days, no way!), but what I DO say is, if you have *proved*
yourself invaluable and indispensable, why reduce(!!) your rate - jack it
up!!

This whole discussion has been amusing to me to see so many different
perspectives.

B
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darryl Collins
Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 6:17 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Need for an Access programmer

Yeah, I do the same thing as well.  If they have been a good long term
client, I cut them a lot of slack on the billing.



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Hewson
Sent: Friday, 30 November 2012 1:56 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Need for an Access programmer

I don't lower my rate for any reason.  I have increased my rate for
difficult clients or for those that I have had trouble with in the past.
Those clients that I really enjoy working with, are non-profit or that I
know can't afford a lot - I have just charged less hours.

Jim
On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 5:47 AM, William Benson
<vbacreations at gmail.com>wrote:

> I started thinking of all the ways this could bite me and create 
> two-way tension due to variableness such as the fact that a 20 % 
> discount for >16 hrs means I actually make Less working 19 hours than I
would working 16.
>
> I certainly dont want to have the last word I think some other 
> professional consultants and people-finders should weigh in.
>
> General audience:  Do other people think it is good to lower one's 
> rate based on work level?
>
> This might just me a YMMV issue.
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From edzedz at comcast.net  Fri Nov 30 09:44:04 2012
From: edzedz at comcast.net (Edward Zuris)
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2012 08:44:04 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Event Flag or Error Flag with Data Change
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References: <456277404.703794.1354222417464.JavaMail.root@sz0143a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>,
	<50B82553.12747.5893484@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>,
	<56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B53436BDFA@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com><50B83FA8.23031.5F00FC7@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
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 Thanks for all the ideas.

 I'll think I'll try out Access 2010 (aka Access 14)

 The client is using Access 2003 on a application that
 is beyond huge it is a monster that yours truly has
 created.

 Trying to find the VBA routine that made this or that
 change to the data in a field has become a real challenge.

 I have taken to creating fields where information is
 changed into a field saying that Routine X, or Y did
 this update.  However, at the end of a test run you
 find out about that the last routine to touch the data.

 It would be nice in the debug mode that a flag would
 be raised saying the data just changed in field X.

 Once again thanks for the ideas.

 Sincerely,
 Ed Zuris.



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darryl Collins
Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 10:22 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Event Flag or Error Flag with Data Change

Thanks Stuart,

Good to know there is 'something' there if I ever need it.  I did use
triggers in SQL server a lot back in the day and they were awesome.

Cheers
Darryl

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
Sent: Friday, 30 November 2012 4:10 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Event Flag or Error Flag with Data Change

Yes, same concept - but not nearly as powerful.

The table macros are failry limited in what you can do and the design
interface is a POS.

;-{

--
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On 30 Nov 2012 at 3:44, Darryl Collins wrote:

> From what I understand it is a similar concept to triggers in SQL 
> Server.  But I haven't had the need to play around with that 
> functionality in A2010 my current role so I have zip experience of 
> them.  But it all sounds very promising.
> 
> Cheers
> Darryl
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart 
> McLachlan
> Sent: Friday, 30 November 2012 2:18 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Event Flag or Error Flag with Data Change
> 
> That's the whole point of Access 2010's  Table Macros.
> 
> Any relevant change to the data in the table automagically triggers the
defined macro. 
> 
> They have removed the requirement to externally monitor the tables
changes. 
> 
> --
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> 

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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Nov 30 13:13:37 2012
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2012 14:13:37 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Count of objects and properties
Message-ID: <50B90561.1070408@colbyconsulting.com>

Has anyone ever seen a reliable count of the objects in Access, and then from there the count of 
total properties for all of those objects?

-- 
John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it


From BradM at blackforestltd.com  Fri Nov 30 13:38:09 2012
From: BradM at blackforestltd.com (Brad Marks)
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2012 13:38:09 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Need to access EDI Audit Trail (Flat File) and Not
	Allow Updates
References: <02ff01cdccf4$1eba8840$5c2f98c0$@activebilling.com.au><09CD4682077B4257ABC6EE06D6D6D938@HAL9007><033701cdccfb$e4f87c40$aee974c0$@activebilling.com.au><73592D3CE14647F5866B29CA6694EDEE@HAL9007><37A418EE953D494389E1CFD00DA03D70@creativesystemdesigns.com><E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C501792B93@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
	<CAKvidAvEf+LoMvN6OvTuctXE7Odtx91byJE5UgNOWqcU_h=8nA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C501792D88@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>

Stuart, Rusty, Jack,

Thanks for your ideas and insights.

For the near term, I am planning to employ a second (behind the scenes)
file.

For the long term, I may use a linked table as I was finally able to get
Access to treat the one large field as a memo field.

Another approach that I spent a little time on is to fire up Internet
Explorer to display the flat file data as it cannot update the data in
the file.

Thanks again for the help.

Brad

   

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jack
drawbridge
Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 3:13 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Need to access EDI Audit Trail (Flat File) and
Not Allow Updates

Brad,, I don't really  know how to do what you're asking, but just
thinking
as I'm typing here---
Since anyone who wants to see the Log would only be interested in what
is
currently in the log (available up to the time they make a request),
they
really don't have a need to see the "Log file" per se. They could be
shown
a Read Only copy (from the instant they make the request so to speak) --
and leave the real Log for continued system/processing activity.

So if they were to get to the LogCopy, and alter the attributes from
readOnly  and then alter some data-- they are still working with a copy.

I don't know if that helps, but does keep them from the
"production/active"
log.

Anyway, that and a $1.80 might get you a coffee..

Jack

On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 1:35 PM, Brad Marks
<BradM at blackforestltd.com>wrote:

> All,
>
> We have an EDI application that has been built with Access 2007.  It
> works nicely.
>
> Recently there has been a request to add a new feature to the system
> that will allow the users to see the generated EDI audit trail file.
> This is a flat file.
>
> I have added a button to the main form to open the Audit Trail file
with
> notepad.  This works fine, except that now there is a possibility that
> the users could accidentally change the data in this file.
>
> I don't think that I can set security to overcome this issue, because
> the EDI Application adds records to this Audit Trail file (behind the
> scenes).
>
> I thought that another possible solution would be to treat the Audit
> Trail file as Linked Table in Access.
>
> The catch is that the fields in the records are not delimited and the
> records can be over 256 bytes.
>
> Is there a way to tell Access to treat the records as one big memo
> field?
>
> Maybe there is another way to handle this situation.
>
> Thanks,
> Brad
>
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From charlotte.foust at gmail.com  Fri Nov 30 14:17:08 2012
From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2012 12:17:08 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Count of objects and properties
In-Reply-To: <50B90561.1070408@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <50B90561.1070408@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <CAH+Met-rfa_5-qr4qYJWq0KZO5GEUxnxO8-DK0ESNoWdsdcYLQ@mail.gmail.com>

Are you talking about loaded objects or objects in the Access containers?

Charlotte

On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 11:13 AM, jwcolby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>wrote:

> Has anyone ever seen a reliable count of the objects in Access, and then
> from there the count of total properties for all of those objects?
>
> --
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
>
> Reality is what refuses to go away
> when you do not believe in it
>
> --
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> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
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> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.**com<http://www.databaseadvisors.com>
>

From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Fri Nov 30 14:51:46 2012
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2012 06:51:46 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Count of objects and properties
In-Reply-To: <CAH+Met-rfa_5-qr4qYJWq0KZO5GEUxnxO8-DK0ESNoWdsdcYLQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <50B90561.1070408@colbyconsulting.com>,
	<CAH+Met-rfa_5-qr4qYJWq0KZO5GEUxnxO8-DK0ESNoWdsdcYLQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <50B91C62.3443.94E4615@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

Or the objects and properties available to Access developers ?

-- 
Stuart

On 30 Nov 2012 at 12:17, Charlotte Foust wrote:

> Are you talking about loaded objects or objects in the Access containers?
> 
> Charlotte
> 
> On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 11:13 AM, jwcolby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>wrote:
> 
> > Has anyone ever seen a reliable count of the objects in Access, and then
> > from there the count of total properties for all of those objects?
> >
> > --
> > John W. Colby
> > Colby Consulting
> >
> > Reality is what refuses to go away
> > when you do not believe in it
> >
> > --
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> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
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> >
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Nov 30 15:05:34 2012
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2012 16:05:34 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] [SPAM] Re:  Count of objects and properties
In-Reply-To: <CAH+Met-rfa_5-qr4qYJWq0KZO5GEUxnxO8-DK0ESNoWdsdcYLQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <50B90561.1070408@colbyconsulting.com>
	<CAH+Met-rfa_5-qr4qYJWq0KZO5GEUxnxO8-DK0ESNoWdsdcYLQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <50B91F9E.1080700@colbyconsulting.com>

Looking at the object model, starting at the top and working down, if you were to iterate every 
object, incrementing the objectCnt by 1 for every object found, and every property of every object, 
incrementing the propertycnt by 1 every time you discovered a property...

How many objects and how many total properties.

I figured that some interprising geek would have done such a count but I am not finding it on the web.


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 11/30/2012 3:17 PM, Charlotte Foust wrote:
> Are you talking about loaded objects or objects in the Access containers?
>
> Charlotte
>
> On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 11:13 AM, jwcolby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>wrote:
>
>> Has anyone ever seen a reliable count of the objects in Access, and then
>> from there the count of total properties for all of those objects?
>>
>> --
>> John W. Colby
>> Colby Consulting
>>
>> Reality is what refuses to go away
>> when you do not believe in it
>>
>> --
>> AccessD mailing list
>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>> http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/accessd<http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd>
>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.**com<http://www.databaseadvisors.com>
>>


From charlotte.foust at gmail.com  Fri Nov 30 15:14:58 2012
From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2012 13:14:58 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] [SPAM] Re: Count of objects and properties
In-Reply-To: <50B91F9E.1080700@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <50B90561.1070408@colbyconsulting.com>
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	<50B91F9E.1080700@colbyconsulting.com>
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I can't see a reason to do this, John.  What's the purpose besides coming
up with a couple of numbers?

Charlotte

On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 1:05 PM, jwcolby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>wrote:

> Looking at the object model, starting at the top and working down, if you
> were to iterate every object, incrementing the objectCnt by 1 for every
> object found, and every property of every object, incrementing the
> propertycnt by 1 every time you discovered a property...
>
> How many objects and how many total properties.
>
> I figured that some interprising geek would have done such a count but I
> am not finding it on the web.
>
>
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
>
> Reality is what refuses to go away
> when you do not believe in it
>
> On 11/30/2012 3:17 PM, Charlotte Foust wrote:
>
>> Are you talking about loaded objects or objects in the Access containers?
>>
>> Charlotte
>>
>> On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 11:13 AM, jwcolby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>**
>> wrote:
>>
>>  Has anyone ever seen a reliable count of the objects in Access, and then
>>> from there the count of total properties for all of those objects?
>>>
>>> --
>>> John W. Colby
>>> Colby Consulting
>>>
>>> Reality is what refuses to go away
>>> when you do not believe in it
>>>
>>> --
>>> AccessD mailing list
>>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
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>>> <http:**//databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/accessd<http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd>
>>> >
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>>> databaseadvisors.com <http://www.databaseadvisors.com>>
>>>
>>>
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> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.**com<http://www.databaseadvisors.com>
>

From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Fri Nov 30 15:36:38 2012
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2012 07:36:38 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] [SPAM] Re:  Count of objects and properties
In-Reply-To: <50B91F9E.1080700@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <50B90561.1070408@colbyconsulting.com>,
	<CAH+Met-rfa_5-qr4qYJWq0KZO5GEUxnxO8-DK0ESNoWdsdcYLQ@mail.gmail.com>,
	<50B91F9E.1080700@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <50B926E6.19929.97759B5@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

A quick count here gives 74 objects:

http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/office/bb149125%28v=office.12%29.aspx

I'll leave it to you to cound the properties   - Just tunnel down on each object to the Properties 
list for it.  :-)

I'm sure that someone who "gives a ****"  could write a routine to iterate through the relevant 
pages and count the properties.

-- 
Stuart

On 30 Nov 2012 at 16:05, jwcolby wrote:

> Looking at the object model, starting at the top and working down, if you were to iterate every 
> object, incrementing the objectCnt by 1 for every object found, and every property of every object, 
> incrementing the propertycnt by 1 every time you discovered a property...
> 
> How many objects and how many total properties.
> 
> I figured that some interprising geek would have done such a count but I am not finding it on the web.
> 
> 
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
> 
> Reality is what refuses to go away
> when you do not believe in it
> 
> On 11/30/2012 3:17 PM, Charlotte Foust wrote:
> > Are you talking about loaded objects or objects in the Access containers?
> >
> > Charlotte
> >
> > On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 11:13 AM, jwcolby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>wrote:
> >
> >> Has anyone ever seen a reliable count of the objects in Access, and then
> >> from there the count of total properties for all of those objects?
> >>
> >> --
> >> John W. Colby
> >> Colby Consulting
> >>
> >> Reality is what refuses to go away
> >> when you do not believe in it
> >>
> >> --
> >> AccessD mailing list
> >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> >> http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/accessd<http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd>
> >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.**com<http://www.databaseadvisors.com>
> >>
> 
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From vbacreations at gmail.com  Fri Nov 30 15:39:17 2012
From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson)
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2012 16:39:17 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] [SPAM] Re: Count of objects and properties
In-Reply-To: <CAH+Met-yybXBOty89Wb8OGcsZz4MfU9r0=VidPpMM6TnBy_RwQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <50B90561.1070408@colbyconsulting.com>
	<CAH+Met-rfa_5-qr4qYJWq0KZO5GEUxnxO8-DK0ESNoWdsdcYLQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<50B91F9E.1080700@colbyconsulting.com>
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>>What's the purpose besides coming
> up with a couple of numbers?

I have asked some models for their numbers but never got any.

Take the however you like.

From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Nov 30 15:47:31 2012
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2012 16:47:31 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] [SPAM] Re: [SPAM] Re: Count of objects and properties
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References: <50B90561.1070408@colbyconsulting.com>
	<CAH+Met-rfa_5-qr4qYJWq0KZO5GEUxnxO8-DK0ESNoWdsdcYLQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<50B91F9E.1080700@colbyconsulting.com>
	<CAH+Met-yybXBOty89Wb8OGcsZz4MfU9r0=VidPpMM6TnBy_RwQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <50B92973.5030900@colbyconsulting.com>

LOL none except to allow us to understand the complexity of the application.

I took a Microsoft created / generated Access test.  My guess is that it was supposed to measure 
knowledge gained from some cert course (which I haven't taken).  It was quite a difficult test (I 
thought) and many of the questions were "given scenario xyz what property of what object..." with a 
list of properties, or even "what value would you place in the property"...

As it happens I scored at the 99th percentile on the "global population" but only 83 on the "company 
population" whatever those numbers mean.

It just got me thinking about the fact that there are probably thousands or perhaps tens of 
thousands of properties.  I certainly only use a few percentage of them on a regular enough basis to 
have them at my finger tips.

Luckily it was a multiple choice test so you usually end up with 2 questions very similar and one of 
those correct.

The following is the resulting verbiage of my results.

 >>>>>>>>>>>

Test: Microsoft Access 2003 (adaptive)

Score: 3.78
Proficiency Level: Advanced (3.51 - 4.50)

The candidate has mastered the basic concepts of Microsoft Access 2003 (Data Manipulation, Database 
Concepts, Reports & Data Output) and intermediate Microsoft Access 2003 concepts (Database Planning 
& Design, Automation and Integration, User Interface & Application Refinement). The candidate is 
likely proficient with more advanced Microsoft Access 2003 concepts such as:

?  Forms & Data Input
?  VBA
?  Multi-User Issues

At the Advanced level, the candidate will be capable of working on projects involving Microsoft 
Access 2003 and will be capable of mentoring others on most projects in this area.

 >>>>>>>>>>>

 >>>The candidate is likely proficient with more advanced Microsoft Access 2003 concepts

Ya think?

It just seems difficult to generate a short test (it was only about 20 questions or so, I didn't 
count) to really accurately gauge someone's knowledge given how many objects and properties there 
are.  And so the question, how many are there?  And if I know nothing about some area (user security 
is an area I don't do much in) what does that indicate in the overall scheme of things?

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 11/30/2012 4:14 PM, Charlotte Foust wrote:
> I can't see a reason to do this, John.  What's the purpose besides coming
> up with a couple of numbers?
>
> Charlotte


From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Fri Nov 30 16:19:34 2012
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2012 08:19:34 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] [SPAM] Re: [SPAM] Re: Count of objects and properties
In-Reply-To: <50B92973.5030900@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <50B90561.1070408@colbyconsulting.com>,
	<CAH+Met-yybXBOty89Wb8OGcsZz4MfU9r0=VidPpMM6TnBy_RwQ@mail.gmail.com>,
	<50B92973.5030900@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <50B930F6.20898.99EAA35@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

Is this internet based?  How about a URL ?

-- 
Stuart

On 30 Nov 2012 at 16:47, jwcolby wrote:

> LOL none except to allow us to understand the complexity of the application.
> 
> I took a Microsoft created / generated Access test.  My guess is that it was supposed to measure 
> knowledge gained from some cert course (which I haven't taken).  It was quite a difficult test (I 
> thought) and many of the questions were "given scenario xyz what property of what object..." with a 
> list of properties, or even "what value would you place in the property"...
> 
> As it happens I scored at the 99th percentile on the "global population" but only 83 on the "company 
> population" whatever those numbers mean.
> 
> It just got me thinking about the fact that there are probably thousands or perhaps tens of 
> thousands of properties.  I certainly only use a few percentage of them on a regular enough basis to 
> have them at my finger tips.
> 
> Luckily it was a multiple choice test so you usually end up with 2 questions very similar and one of 
> those correct.
> 
> The following is the resulting verbiage of my results.
> 
>  >>>>>>>>>>>
> 
> Test: Microsoft Access 2003 (adaptive)
> 
> Score: 3.78
> Proficiency Level: Advanced (3.51 - 4.50)
> 
> The candidate has mastered the basic concepts of Microsoft Access 2003 (Data Manipulation, Database 
> Concepts, Reports & Data Output) and intermediate Microsoft Access 2003 concepts (Database Planning 
> & Design, Automation and Integration, User Interface & Application Refinement). The candidate is 
> likely proficient with more advanced Microsoft Access 2003 concepts such as:
> 
> ?  Forms & Data Input
> ?  VBA
> ?  Multi-User Issues
> 
> At the Advanced level, the candidate will be capable of working on projects involving Microsoft 
> Access 2003 and will be capable of mentoring others on most projects in this area.
> 
>  >>>>>>>>>>>
> 
>  >>>The candidate is likely proficient with more advanced Microsoft Access 2003 concepts
> 
> Ya think?
> 
> It just seems difficult to generate a short test (it was only about 20 questions or so, I didn't 
> count) to really accurately gauge someone's knowledge given how many objects and properties there 
> are.  And so the question, how many are there?  And if I know nothing about some area (user security 
> is an area I don't do much in) what does that indicate in the overall scheme of things?
> 
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
> 
> Reality is what refuses to go away
> when you do not believe in it
> 
> On 11/30/2012 4:14 PM, Charlotte Foust wrote:
> > I can't see a reason to do this, John.  What's the purpose besides coming
> > up with a couple of numbers?
> >
> > Charlotte
> 
> -- 
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 




From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Nov 30 20:47:32 2012
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2012 21:47:32 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] [SPAM] Re:  Count of objects and properties
In-Reply-To: <50B926E6.19929.97759B5@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <50B90561.1070408@colbyconsulting.com>,
	<CAH+Met-rfa_5-qr4qYJWq0KZO5GEUxnxO8-DK0ESNoWdsdcYLQ@mail.gmail.com>,
	<50B91F9E.1080700@colbyconsulting.com>
	<50B926E6.19929.97759B5@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <50B96FC4.9020405@colbyconsulting.com>

As well as this:

http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/office/ee291983(v=office.12).aspx
http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/office/bb244889(v=office.12).aspx

In fact I tried this long ago and before I was good at this stuff.  I discovered that properties 
were collections and you could end up tunneling down into a collection of properties and from there 
into a collection of properties into a collection of properties...

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 11/30/2012 4:36 PM, Stuart McLachlan wrote:
> A quick count here gives 74 objects:
>
> http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/office/bb149125%28v=office.12%29.aspx
>
> I'll leave it to you to cound the properties   - Just tunnel down on each object to the Properties
> list for it.  :-)
>
> I'm sure that someone who "gives a ****"  could write a routine to iterate through the relevant
> pages and count the properties.
>