From fuller.artful at gmail.com Mon Oct 1 09:16:05 2012 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2012 10:16:05 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Highlighting Select Words in a Large Text Field In-Reply-To: References: <1349015892.119162012@f280.mail.ru> <49A286ABF515E94A8505CD14DEB721701744AE99@CPIEMAIL-EVS1.CPIQPC.NET> Message-ID: Brad, That's an excellent explanation for your requirements. You seem to have handled it very well. Arthur On Sun, Sep 30, 2012 at 7:45 PM, Brad Marks wrote: > Rusty, > > You are right. The definition of the text field is in a purchased package > and cannot be changed. > > From mcp2004 at mail.ru Mon Oct 1 10:21:28 2012 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=) Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2012 19:21:28 +0400 Subject: [AccessD] =?utf-8?q?Highlighting_Select_Words_in_a_Large_Text_Fie?= =?utf-8?q?ld?= In-Reply-To: <1349035897.389750544@f251.mail.ru> References: <1349015892.119162012@f280.mail.ru> <1349035897.389750544@f251.mail.ru> Message-ID: <1349104888.470078406@f21.mail.ru> Hi Brad -- Sorry, I missed that you have to preview/print report - then you can assign your HTML text to .ControlSource property of an unbound TextBox with .TextFormat property equal to "Rich Text". (Of course you can also use textboxes bound to field(s) of a (temp) table keeping your generated HTML).? Try ="

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" Thank you. -- Shamil Mon, 01 Oct 2012 00:11:37 +0400 ?? Salakhetdinov Shamil : > > > > >Brad, > > Set "Rich Text" TextBox's .Value property equal to your HTML text and see how that will impress your relatives :) > > Thank you. > > -- Shamil > > > Sun, 30 Sep 2012 14:35:58 -0500 ?? "Brad Marks" : > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Shamil, > > > > > Because the field is coming from a database in a purchased package, I cannot control how the data is stored. > > > > > If I used a TextBox control with the property set to "Rich Text", I am not sure how I could change the text to highlight the selected word(s). Maybe there is a way to do this, but I could not find an example. > > > > > Thanks, > > > Brad > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com on behalf of Salakhetdinov Shamil > > > Sent: Sun 9/30/2012 2:28 PM > > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Highlighting Select Words in a Large Text Field > > > ? > > > Hi Brad -- > > > > > Why not use (unbound) TextBox control with its Text Format property set to "Rich Text"? > > > > > Thank you. > > > > > -- Shamil > > >?<<< skipped >>> From BradM at blackforestltd.com Mon Oct 1 11:33:29 2012 From: BradM at blackforestltd.com (Brad Marks) Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2012 11:33:29 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Highlighting Select Words in a Large Text Field References: <1349015892.119162012@f280.mail.ru><1349035897.389750544@f251.mail.ru> <1349104888.470078406@f21.mail.ru> Message-ID: Shamil, Thanks for the info. I plan to continue to experiment with this area. My current method of generating HTML and initiating Internet Explorer works, but it would be nice to not have to use the browser. Thanks again, Brad -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Salakhetdinov Shamil Sent: Monday, October 01, 2012 10:21 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Highlighting Select Words in a Large Text Field Hi Brad -- Sorry, I missed that you have to preview/print report - then you can assign your HTML text to .ControlSource property of an unbound TextBox with .TextFormat property equal to "Rich Text". (Of course you can also use textboxes bound to field(s) of a (temp) table keeping your generated HTML).? Try ="

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" Thank you. -- Shamil Mon, 01 Oct 2012 00:11:37 +0400 ?? Salakhetdinov Shamil : > > > > >Brad, > > Set "Rich Text" TextBox's .Value property equal to your HTML text and see how that will impress your relatives :) > > Thank you. > > -- Shamil > > > Sun, 30 Sep 2012 14:35:58 -0500 ?? "Brad Marks" : > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Shamil, > > > > > Because the field is coming from a database in a purchased package, I cannot control how the data is stored. > > > > > If I used a TextBox control with the property set to "Rich Text", I am not sure how I could change the text to highlight the selected word(s). Maybe there is a way to do this, but I could not find an example. > > > > > Thanks, > > > Brad > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com on behalf of Salakhetdinov Shamil > > > Sent: Sun 9/30/2012 2:28 PM > > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Highlighting Select Words in a Large Text Field > > > ? > > > Hi Brad -- > > > > > Why not use (unbound) TextBox control with its Text Format property set to "Rich Text"? > > > > > Thank you. > > > > > -- Shamil > > >?<<< skipped >>> -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. From jackandpat.d at gmail.com Mon Oct 1 11:51:31 2012 From: jackandpat.d at gmail.com (jack drawbridge) Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2012 12:51:31 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Highlighting Select Words in a Large Text Field In-Reply-To: References: <1349015892.119162012@f280.mail.ru> <1349035897.389750544@f251.mail.ru> <1349104888.470078406@f21.mail.ru> Message-ID: You've probably seen this info, and have gone beyond, but I thought I should reference the Allen Browne stuff anyway..... If you're way past this, remember I'm just the messenger... see http://allenbrowne.com/AppSearchHighlight.html On Mon, Oct 1, 2012 at 12:33 PM, Brad Marks wrote: > Shamil, > > Thanks for the info. > > I plan to continue to experiment with this area. > > My current method of generating HTML and initiating Internet Explorer > works, but it would be nice to not have to use the browser. > > Thanks again, > Brad > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto: > accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Salakhetdinov Shamil > Sent: Monday, October 01, 2012 10:21 AM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Highlighting Select Words in a Large Text Field > > Hi Brad -- > > Sorry, I missed that you have to preview/print report - then you can > assign your HTML text to .ControlSource property of an unbound TextBox with > .TextFormat property equal to "Rich Text". (Of course you can also use > textboxes bound to field(s) of a (temp) table keeping your generated HTML). > > Try > > ="

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" > > Thank you. > > -- Shamil > > > Mon, 01 Oct 2012 00:11:37 +0400 ?? Salakhetdinov Shamil : > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Brad, > > > > > Set "Rich Text" TextBox's .Value property equal to your HTML text and see > how that will impress your relatives :) > > > > > Thank you. > > > > > -- Shamil > > > > > > > Sun, 30 Sep 2012 14:35:58 -0500 ?? "Brad Marks" >: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Shamil, > > > > > > > > > > > Because the field is coming from a database in a purchased package, I > cannot control how the data is stored. > > > > > > > > > > > If I used a TextBox control with the property set to "Rich Text", I am not > sure how I could change the text to highlight the selected word(s). Maybe > there is a way to do this, but I could not find an example. > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > Brad > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com on behalf of Salakhetdinov > Shamil > > > > > > > Sent: Sun 9/30/2012 2:28 PM > > > > > > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Highlighting Select Words in a Large Text Field > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Brad -- > > > > > > > > > > > Why not use (unbound) TextBox control with its Text Format property set to > "Rich Text"? > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you. > > > > > > > > > > > -- Shamil > > > > > > <<< skipped >>> > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is > believed to be clean. > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From BradM at blackforestltd.com Mon Oct 1 11:55:26 2012 From: BradM at blackforestltd.com (Brad Marks) Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2012 11:55:26 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Highlighting Select Words in a Large Text Field References: <1349015892.119162012@f280.mail.ru><1349035897.389750544@f251.mail.ru> <1349104888.470078406@f21.mail.ru> Message-ID: Jack, I had not seen the Allen Browne info before. I am always open to learning new approaches. Thanks for the link. Brad -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jack drawbridge Sent: Monday, October 01, 2012 11:52 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Highlighting Select Words in a Large Text Field You've probably seen this info, and have gone beyond, but I thought I should reference the Allen Browne stuff anyway..... If you're way past this, remember I'm just the messenger... see http://allenbrowne.com/AppSearchHighlight.html On Mon, Oct 1, 2012 at 12:33 PM, Brad Marks wrote: > Shamil, > > Thanks for the info. > > I plan to continue to experiment with this area. > > My current method of generating HTML and initiating Internet Explorer > works, but it would be nice to not have to use the browser. > > Thanks again, > Brad > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto: > accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Salakhetdinov Shamil > Sent: Monday, October 01, 2012 10:21 AM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Highlighting Select Words in a Large Text Field > > Hi Brad -- > > Sorry, I missed that you have to preview/print report - then you can > assign your HTML text to .ControlSource property of an unbound TextBox with > .TextFormat property equal to "Rich Text". (Of course you can also use > textboxes bound to field(s) of a (temp) table keeping your generated HTML). > > Try > > ="

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" > > Thank you. > > -- Shamil > > > Mon, 01 Oct 2012 00:11:37 +0400 ?? Salakhetdinov Shamil : > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Brad, > > > > > Set "Rich Text" TextBox's .Value property equal to your HTML text and see > how that will impress your relatives :) > > > > > Thank you. > > > > > -- Shamil > > > > > > > Sun, 30 Sep 2012 14:35:58 -0500 ?? "Brad Marks" >: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Shamil, > > > > > > > > > > > Because the field is coming from a database in a purchased package, I > cannot control how the data is stored. > > > > > > > > > > > If I used a TextBox control with the property set to "Rich Text", I am not > sure how I could change the text to highlight the selected word(s). Maybe > there is a way to do this, but I could not find an example. > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > Brad > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com on behalf of Salakhetdinov > Shamil > > > > > > > Sent: Sun 9/30/2012 2:28 PM > > > > > > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Highlighting Select Words in a Large Text Field > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Brad -- > > > > > > > > > > > Why not use (unbound) TextBox control with its Text Format property set to > "Rich Text"? > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you. > > > > > > > > > > > -- Shamil > > > > > > <<< skipped >>> > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is > believed to be clean. > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. From BradM at blackforestltd.com Mon Oct 1 12:03:43 2012 From: BradM at blackforestltd.com (Brad Marks) Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2012 12:03:43 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Highlighting Select Words in a Large Text Field References: <1349015892.119162012@f280.mail.ru><1349035897.389750544@f251.mail.ru> <1349104888.470078406@f21.mail.ru> Message-ID: Shamil, I just set up a little test Access program and tried your suggestion. It works nicely. I have done very little work with Rich Text. I didn't know that Rich Text used HTML tags. Thanks again for your help. Brad -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Salakhetdinov Shamil Sent: Monday, October 01, 2012 10:21 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Highlighting Select Words in a Large Text Field Hi Brad -- Sorry, I missed that you have to preview/print report - then you can assign your HTML text to .ControlSource property of an unbound TextBox with .TextFormat property equal to "Rich Text". (Of course you can also use textboxes bound to field(s) of a (temp) table keeping your generated HTML).? Try ="

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" Thank you. -- Shamil Mon, 01 Oct 2012 00:11:37 +0400 ?? Salakhetdinov Shamil : > > > > >Brad, > > Set "Rich Text" TextBox's .Value property equal to your HTML text and see how that will impress your relatives :) > > Thank you. > > -- Shamil > > > Sun, 30 Sep 2012 14:35:58 -0500 ?? "Brad Marks" : > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Shamil, > > > > > Because the field is coming from a database in a purchased package, I cannot control how the data is stored. > > > > > If I used a TextBox control with the property set to "Rich Text", I am not sure how I could change the text to highlight the selected word(s). Maybe there is a way to do this, but I could not find an example. > > > > > Thanks, > > > Brad > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com on behalf of Salakhetdinov Shamil > > > Sent: Sun 9/30/2012 2:28 PM > > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Highlighting Select Words in a Large Text Field > > > ? > > > Hi Brad -- > > > > > Why not use (unbound) TextBox control with its Text Format property set to "Rich Text"? > > > > > Thank you. > > > > > -- Shamil > > >?<<< skipped >>> -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. From Gustav at cactus.dk Mon Oct 1 12:41:35 2012 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2012 19:41:35 +0200 Subject: [AccessD] Highlighting Select Words in a Large Text Field Message-ID: Hi Brad It doesn't. It is just "rich text" which can be anything really. From A2007 the HTML format has been used. Pre A2007 rich text in Access was RTF (Rich Text Format) which is what WordPad and any (old version of) Word can read and write. /gustav >>> BradM at blackforestltd.com 01-10-12 19:03 >>> I have done very little work with Rich Text. I didn't know that Rich Text used HTML tags. From BradM at blackforestltd.com Mon Oct 1 13:17:01 2012 From: BradM at blackforestltd.com (Brad Marks) Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2012 13:17:01 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Highlighting Select Words in a Large Text Field References: Message-ID: Gustav, Thanks for the additional info, I did not know this. In fact, I was thinking that "Rich Text" = RTF. Brad -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com on behalf of Gustav Brock Sent: Mon 10/1/2012 12:41 PM To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [AccessD] Highlighting Select Words in a Large Text Field Hi Brad It doesn't. It is just "rich text" which can be anything really. From A2007 the HTML format has been used. Pre A2007 rich text in Access was RTF (Rich Text Format) which is what WordPad and any (old version of) Word can read and write. /gustav >>> BradM at blackforestltd.com 01-10-12 19:03 >>> I have done very little work with Rich Text. I didn't know that Rich Text used HTML tags. -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. From mcp2004 at mail.ru Mon Oct 1 17:31:04 2012 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=) Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2012 02:31:04 +0400 Subject: [AccessD] =?utf-8?q?Highlighting_Select_Words_in_a_Large_Text_Fie?= =?utf-8?q?ld?= In-Reply-To: References: <1349015892.119162012@f280.mail.ru><1349035897.389750544@f251.mail.ru> Message-ID: <1349130664.632838213@f79.mail.ru> Brad -- I'm glad it worked well for you. I hope you'll get your relatives and your customers impressed now. :) >?I didn't know that Rich Text used HTML tags. Please read this: http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/access-help/insert-or-add-a-rich-text-field-HA010014097.aspx Thank you. -- Shamil Mon, 1 Oct 2012 12:03:43 -0500 ?? "Brad Marks" : > > > > >Shamil, > > I just set up a little test Access program and tried your suggestion. It works nicely. > > I have done very little work with Rich Text. I didn't know that Rich Text used HTML tags. > > Thanks again for your help. > > Brad > > ?? > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Salakhetdinov Shamil > Sent: Monday, October 01, 2012 10:21 AM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Highlighting Select Words in a Large Text Field > > Hi Brad -- > > Sorry, I missed that you have to preview/print report - then you can assign your HTML text to .ControlSource property of an unbound TextBox with .TextFormat property equal to "Rich Text". (Of course you can also use textboxes bound to field(s) of a (temp) table keeping your generated HTML).? > > Try > > ="

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" > > Thank you. > > -- Shamil > > > Mon, 01 Oct 2012 00:11:37 +0400 ?? Salakhetdinov Shamil : > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Brad, > > > > > Set "Rich Text" TextBox's .Value property equal to your HTML text and see how that will impress your relatives :) > > > > > Thank you. > > > > > -- Shamil > > > > > > > Sun, 30 Sep 2012 14:35:58 -0500 ?? "Brad Marks" : > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Shamil, > > > > > > > > > > > Because the field is coming from a database in a purchased package, I cannot control how the data is stored. > > > > > > > > > > > If I used a TextBox control with the property set to "Rich Text", I am not sure how I could change the text to highlight the selected word(s). Maybe there is a way to do this, but I could not find an example. > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > Brad > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com on behalf of Salakhetdinov Shamil > > > > > > > Sent: Sun 9/30/2012 2:28 PM > > > > > > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Highlighting Select Words in a Large Text Field > > > > > > > ? > > > > > > > Hi Brad -- > > > > > > > > > > > Why not use (unbound) TextBox control with its Text Format property set to "Rich Text"? > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you. > > > > > > > > > > > -- Shamil > > > > > >?<<< skipped >>> > -- > AccessD mailing list >AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is > believed to be clean. > > > -- > AccessD mailing list >AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Tue Oct 2 14:50:27 2012 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2012 15:50:27 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] cell phone market share. Message-ID: <506B4583.7000202@colbyconsulting.com> -- John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it http://www.nbcnews.com/technology/technolog/android-apple-have-85-percent-worldwide-smartphone-market-idc-992551 From accessd at shaw.ca Wed Oct 3 10:31:03 2012 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2012 08:31:03 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Assess Developer needed In-Reply-To: <506B4583.7000202@colbyconsulting.com> References: <506B4583.7000202@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <6A3B969FABB94C1F82636A25DB275D2C@creativesystemdesigns.com> There is an Access developer needed some place in Colorado. Looks like a FT gig. http://information-technology.thingamajob.com/jobs/Colorado/Microsoft-Access -Developer/2665858 Jim From mcp2004 at mail.ru Wed Oct 3 16:35:24 2012 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=) Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2012 01:35:24 +0400 Subject: [AccessD] =?utf-8?b?T1Q6IExvb2tzIGZ1bm55LCBkb2VzbicgaXQ/ID0+IE5v?= =?utf-8?q?kia_Joins_The_iPhone_5_Bashing_With_This_Clever_Lumia_920_Video?= =?utf-8?q?_Ad?= Message-ID: <1349300124.443701408@f47.mail.ru> Hi All -- I dislike ?"technology bashing wars" but here is an example of a "good shot" IMO: Nokia Joins The iPhone 5 Bashing With This Clever Lumia 920 Video Ad http://techcrunch.com/2012/10/02/nokia-joins-the-iphone-5-bashing-with-this-clever-lumia-920-video-ad/ :) Thank you. -- Shamil From davidmcafee at gmail.com Wed Oct 3 16:43:28 2012 From: davidmcafee at gmail.com (David McAfee) Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2012 14:43:28 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] OT: Looks funny, doesn' it? => Nokia Joins The iPhone 5 Bashing With This Clever Lumia 920 Video Ad In-Reply-To: <1349300124.443701408@f47.mail.ru> References: <1349300124.443701408@f47.mail.ru> Message-ID: I loved the Island of the Misfit Toys commercial that Verizon was airing a couple of years ago. It was all of the misfit toys from Rudolph the red nosed reindeer. The iPhone joins the group and they ask "But your everybody's favorite! What are you doing here?" The iPhone then shows it's AT&T bars (or lack there of). I'll have to watch this techcrunch link when I get home as streaming is blocked at work. David On Wed, Oct 3, 2012 at 2:35 PM, Salakhetdinov Shamil wrote: > Hi All -- > > I dislike "technology bashing wars" but here is an example of a "good > shot" IMO: > > Nokia Joins The iPhone 5 Bashing With This Clever Lumia 920 Video Ad > > http://techcrunch.com/2012/10/02/nokia-joins-the-iphone-5-bashing-with-this-clever-lumia-920-video-ad/ > > :) > > Thank you. > > -- Shamil > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From Benson at ge.com Wed Oct 3 17:10:46 2012 From: Benson at ge.com (Benson, William (GE Global Research, consultant)) Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2012 22:10:46 +0000 Subject: [AccessD] OT: Looks funny, doesn' it? => Nokia Joins The iPhone 5 Bashing With This Clever Lumia 920 Video Ad In-Reply-To: <1349300124.443701408@f47.mail.ru> References: <1349300124.443701408@f47.mail.ru> Message-ID: <93D10F008B998B4A83BCA855A33EEF372C86CB07@CINMBCNA01.e2k.ad.ge.com> I guess you would really have to know what that color stuff was about, because I did not find it anywhere near as funny as the Samsung Gallaxy S3 ads, with the apple lines. Man, that one TOTALLY resonated with me, it was tremendously funny. Especially the guys holding other people's places in line for a product they themselves wouldn't use. Apple is dead, the masses are going to realize that some day. They closed themselves off to improvement from anywhere except within their own ranks, and you just can't stay on top that way. Bye Bye Apple. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Salakhetdinov Shamil Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2012 5:35 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: [AccessD] OT: Looks funny, doesn' it? => Nokia Joins The iPhone 5 Bashing With This Clever Lumia 920 Video Ad Hi All -- I dislike ?"technology bashing wars" but here is an example of a "good shot" IMO: Nokia Joins The iPhone 5 Bashing With This Clever Lumia 920 Video Ad http://techcrunch.com/2012/10/02/nokia-joins-the-iphone-5-bashing-with-this-clever-lumia-920-video-ad/ :) Thank you. -- Shamil -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au Wed Oct 3 18:44:02 2012 From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins) Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2012 23:44:02 +0000 Subject: [AccessD] OT: Looks funny, doesn' it? => Nokia Joins The iPhone 5 Bashing With This Clever Lumia 920 Video Ad In-Reply-To: <93D10F008B998B4A83BCA855A33EEF372C86CB07@CINMBCNA01.e2k.ad.ge.com> References: <1349300124.443701408@f47.mail.ru> <93D10F008B998B4A83BCA855A33EEF372C86CB07@CINMBCNA01.e2k.ad.ge.com> Message-ID: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B5342EF225@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com> Yeah, I would have to agree that I if I owned Apple shares I would be looking at softening my position with them. I guess I recall Apple from the days when Steve Jobs was booted and just how awful their products were for many years - they looked nice, but they constantly crashed and were full of buggy OS and software BAH!. It seems not many folks recall those days. Once Jobs came back, Apple took off and all was forgiven again. Steve Jobs was exceptional, the iPod and original iPhone were transformation devices but now he has gone, the competition has caught up (and indeed probably exceeded the iPhone) I am seriously doubtful that Apple will continue their mega growth. Transformational devices and ideas are rare. iPhone 5 is largely a disappointment for many consumers I feel. The other issue is Apple products used to be a bit exclusive, but now your mum, Nanna and little sister has one perhaps that influence is waning. Apple may pull something amazing out of the bag yet (Apple TV anyone?) - but I know they have also annoyed the crap out of a lot of existing customers by changing the port size, insisting on using proprietary cables, charging $35 a piece for a $0.50 adaptor, releasing a new phone that is still too small and stuffing up their mapping app. My wife just got a Galaxy SIII and (in my opinion anyway) it is superior to the new iPhone 5 in every way. Of course - your mileage will vary. Cheers Darryl. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Benson, William (GE Global Research, consultant) Sent: Thursday, 4 October 2012 8:11 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Looks funny, doesn' it? => Nokia Joins The iPhone 5 Bashing With This Clever Lumia 920 Video Ad I guess you would really have to know what that color stuff was about, because I did not find it anywhere near as funny as the Samsung Gallaxy S3 ads, with the apple lines. Man, that one TOTALLY resonated with me, it was tremendously funny. Especially the guys holding other people's places in line for a product they themselves wouldn't use. Apple is dead, the masses are going to realize that some day. They closed themselves off to improvement from anywhere except within their own ranks, and you just can't stay on top that way. Bye Bye Apple. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Salakhetdinov Shamil Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2012 5:35 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: [AccessD] OT: Looks funny, doesn' it? => Nokia Joins The iPhone 5 Bashing With This Clever Lumia 920 Video Ad Hi All -- I dislike ?"technology bashing wars" but here is an example of a "good shot" IMO: Nokia Joins The iPhone 5 Bashing With This Clever Lumia 920 Video Ad http://techcrunch.com/2012/10/02/nokia-joins-the-iphone-5-bashing-with-this-clever-lumia-920-video-ad/ :) Thank you. -- Shamil -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Wed Oct 3 18:59:47 2012 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2012 09:59:47 +1000 Subject: [AccessD] OT: Looks funny, doesn' it? => Nokia Joins The iPhone 5 Bashing With This Clever Lumia 920 Video Ad In-Reply-To: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B5342EF225@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com> References: <1349300124.443701408@f47.mail.ru>, <93D10F008B998B4A83BCA855A33EEF372C86CB07@CINMBCNA01.e2k.ad.ge.com>, <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B5342EF225@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com> Message-ID: <506CD173.23472.335C2FD4@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Some interesting figures on smartphones and tablets: >From http://www.nbcnews.com/technology/gadgetbox/android-apple-have-85-percent-worldwide-s martphone-market-idc-992551 Here are IDC's figures for worldwide smartphone unit sales and market share in the second quarter of 2012, by operating system. Android (Google) - 104.8 million units, 68.1 percent share (46.9 percent a year earlier) iOS (Apple's iPhone) - 26.0 million units, 16.9 percent share (18.8 percent a year earlier) and http://www.reghardware.com/2012/10/03/us_data_shows_big_fall_in_apple_tabl et_market_s hare/ A 1000-odd user survey recently carried out the US statistics gatherer the Pew Research Centre and The Economist which focused on US tablet ownership during the three weeks from 16 July found that Apple?s share of the market in the States had fallen from 81 per cent in the year-ago period to 52 per cent. On 3 Oct 2012 at 23:44, Darryl Collins wrote: > Yeah, I would have to agree that I if I owned Apple shares I would be > looking at softening my position with them. ... > > Steve Jobs was exceptional, the iPod and original iPhone were > transformation devices but now he has gone, the competition has caught > up (and indeed probably exceeded the iPhone) I am seriously doubtful > that Apple will continue their mega growth. Transformational devices > and ideas are rare. iPhone 5 is largely a disappointment for many > consumers I feel. From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Wed Oct 3 21:04:52 2012 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2012 22:04:52 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] OT: Looks funny, doesn' it? => Nokia Joins The iPhone 5 Bashing With This Clever Lumia 920 Video Ad In-Reply-To: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B5342EF225@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com> References: <1349300124.443701408@f47.mail.ru> <93D10F008B998B4A83BCA855A33EEF372C86CB07@CINMBCNA01.e2k.ad.ge.com> <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B5342EF225@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com> Message-ID: <506CEEC4.4010602@colbyconsulting.com> I am holding out for the Note II, though I may yet end up with the S3 if the Note 2 is too expensive. John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it On 10/3/2012 7:44 PM, Darryl Collins wrote: > Yeah, I would have to agree that I if I owned Apple shares I would be looking at softening my position with them. I guess I recall Apple from the days when Steve Jobs was booted and just how awful their products were for many years - they looked nice, but they constantly crashed and were full of buggy OS and software BAH!. It seems not many folks recall those days. Once Jobs came back, Apple took off and all was forgiven again. > > Steve Jobs was exceptional, the iPod and original iPhone were transformation devices but now he has gone, the competition has caught up (and indeed probably exceeded the iPhone) I am seriously doubtful that Apple will continue their mega growth. Transformational devices and ideas are rare. iPhone 5 is largely a disappointment for many consumers I feel. > > The other issue is Apple products used to be a bit exclusive, but now your mum, Nanna and little sister has one perhaps that influence is waning. > > Apple may pull something amazing out of the bag yet (Apple TV anyone?) - but I know they have also annoyed the crap out of a lot of existing customers by changing the port size, insisting on using proprietary cables, charging $35 a piece for a $0.50 adaptor, releasing a new phone that is still too small and stuffing up their mapping app. > > My wife just got a Galaxy SIII and (in my opinion anyway) it is superior to the new iPhone 5 in every way. Of course - your mileage will vary. > > Cheers > Darryl. From john at winhaven.net Wed Oct 3 21:12:52 2012 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2012 21:12:52 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] OT: Looks funny, doesn' it? => Nokia Joins The iPhone 5 Bashing With This Clever Lumia 920 Video Ad In-Reply-To: <506CD173.23472.335C2FD4@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: <1349300124.443701408@f47.mail.ru>, <93D10F008B998B4A83BCA855A33EEF372C86CB07@CINMBCNA01.e2k.ad.ge.com>, <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B5342EF225@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com> <506CD173.23472.335C2FD4@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <018a01cda1d5$c30bd150$492373f0$@winhaven.net> A great thread! (for the DBA-Tech list :-) I have a new Samsung GSIII and I think its superior to the iPhone also. I have an iPad and an older $200 Android tablet. I don't care for the iPad, it's not as easy to use or as flexible. I'm still thinking I'll switch to a Windows 8 phone and tablet when they arrive. From vbacreations at gmail.com Wed Oct 3 21:20:50 2012 From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson) Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2012 22:20:50 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Assess Developer needed In-Reply-To: <6A3B969FABB94C1F82636A25DB275D2C@creativesystemdesigns.com> References: <506B4583.7000202@colbyconsulting.com> <6A3B969FABB94C1F82636A25DB275D2C@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: And... a Tree Grows in Brooklyn. On Oct 3, 2012 11:32 AM, "Jim Lawrence" wrote: > There is an Access developer needed some place in Colorado. Looks like a FT > gig. > > > http://information-technology.thingamajob.com/jobs/Colorado/Microsoft-Access > -Developer/2665858 > > Jim > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From dbdoug at gmail.com Wed Oct 3 21:47:06 2012 From: dbdoug at gmail.com (Doug Steele) Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2012 19:47:06 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] OT: Looks funny, doesn' it? => Nokia Joins The iPhone 5 Bashing With This Clever Lumia 920 Video Ad In-Reply-To: <018a01cda1d5$c30bd150$492373f0$@winhaven.net> References: <1349300124.443701408@f47.mail.ru> <93D10F008B998B4A83BCA855A33EEF372C86CB07@CINMBCNA01.e2k.ad.ge.com> <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B5342EF225@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com> <506CD173.23472.335C2FD4@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <018a01cda1d5$c30bd150$492373f0$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: >I have an iPad and an older $200 Android tablet. I don't care for the iPad, >it's not as easy to use or as flexible. Gee, I'm on my second iPhone and my second iPad. I love them both and use them constantly. I'm really looking forward to the supposed mini iPad, as the only complaint I have about my iPad 3 is its size - I think an 8" screen will be just as legible and easier to use. Love that Kool-Aid :) Doug On Wed, Oct 3, 2012 at 7:12 PM, John Bartow wrote: > A great thread! (for the DBA-Tech list :-) > > I have a new Samsung GSIII and I think its superior to the iPhone also. > > I have an iPad and an older $200 Android tablet. I don't care for the iPad, > it's not as easy to use or as flexible. > > I'm still thinking I'll switch to a Windows 8 phone and tablet when they > arrive. > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Wed Oct 3 22:23:33 2012 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2012 23:23:33 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] OT: Looks funny, doesn' it? => Nokia Joins The iPhone 5 Bashing With This Clever Lumia 920 Video Ad In-Reply-To: References: <1349300124.443701408@f47.mail.ru> <93D10F008B998B4A83BCA855A33EEF372C86CB07@CINMBCNA01.e2k.ad.ge.com> <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B5342EF225@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com> <506CD173.23472.335C2FD4@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <018a01cda1d5$c30bd150$492373f0$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: <506D0135.8070309@colbyconsulting.com> > Gee, I'm on my second iPhone and my second iPad. I love them both and use them constantly. LOL, if I paid those bucks for the hardware and then more big bucks for the ecosystem... I'd be using it all the time too. Just sayin... I have the incredibly inexpensive Nexus 7, which I also love and use all the time, as do both my kids. I have the Droid X which I love and use all the time, and I am looking at the Samsung S3 or Note 2. I admit I am not an iGuy but I just don't get what all those bucks buys other than a nice income for Steve's widow. And an absolute lock on my wallet of course. Just sayin... John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it On 10/3/2012 10:47 PM, Doug Steele wrote: >> I have an iPad and an older $200 Android tablet. I don't care for the iPad, >> it's not as easy to use or as flexible. > > Gee, I'm on my second iPhone and my second iPad. I love them both and use > them constantly. I'm really looking forward to the supposed mini iPad, as > the only complaint I have about my iPad 3 is its size - I think an 8" > screen will be just as legible and easier to use. > > Love that Kool-Aid :) > > Doug > > On Wed, Oct 3, 2012 at 7:12 PM, John Bartow wrote: > >> A great thread! (for the DBA-Tech list :-) >> >> I have a new Samsung GSIII and I think its superior to the iPhone also. >> >> I have an iPad and an older $200 Android tablet. I don't care for the iPad, >> it's not as easy to use or as flexible. >> >> I'm still thinking I'll switch to a Windows 8 phone and tablet when they >> arrive. >> >> -- >> AccessD mailing list >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> From john at winhaven.net Wed Oct 3 23:19:30 2012 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2012 23:19:30 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] OT: Looks funny, doesn' it? => Nokia Joins The iPhone 5 Bashing With This Clever Lumia 920 Video Ad In-Reply-To: References: <1349300124.443701408@f47.mail.ru> <93D10F008B998B4A83BCA855A33EEF372C86CB07@CINMBCNA01.e2k.ad.ge.com> <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B5342EF225@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com> <506CD173.23472.335C2FD4@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <018a01cda1d5$c30bd150$492373f0$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: <019801cda1e7$735c2b70$5a148250$@winhaven.net> But have you actually compared iStuff to the competition, or do you drink that much of it? ;-) -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Doug Steele Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2012 9:47 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Looks funny, doesn' it? => Nokia Joins The iPhone 5 Bashing With This Clever Lumia 920 Video Ad >I have an iPad and an older $200 Android tablet. I don't care for the >iPad, it's not as easy to use or as flexible. Gee, I'm on my second iPhone and my second iPad. I love them both and use them constantly. I'm really looking forward to the supposed mini iPad, as the only complaint I have about my iPad 3 is its size - I think an 8" screen will be just as legible and easier to use. Love that Kool-Aid :) Doug On Wed, Oct 3, 2012 at 7:12 PM, John Bartow wrote: > A great thread! (for the DBA-Tech list :-) > > I have a new Samsung GSIII and I think its superior to the iPhone also. > > I have an iPad and an older $200 Android tablet. I don't care for the > iPad, it's not as easy to use or as flexible. > > I'm still thinking I'll switch to a Windows 8 phone and tablet when > they arrive. > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From john at winhaven.net Wed Oct 3 23:24:45 2012 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2012 23:24:45 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] OT: Looks funny, doesn' it? => Nokia Joins The iPhone 5 Bashing With This Clever Lumia 920 Video Ad In-Reply-To: <506D0135.8070309@colbyconsulting.com> References: <1349300124.443701408@f47.mail.ru> <93D10F008B998B4A83BCA855A33EEF372C86CB07@CINMBCNA01.e2k.ad.ge.com> <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B5342EF225@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com> <506CD173.23472.335C2FD4@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <018a01cda1d5$c30bd150$492373f0$@winhaven.net> <506D0135.8070309@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <019901cda1e8$2f32dec0$8d989c40$@winhaven.net> I have to support all the new gadgets or I'd still use my Razor flip phone ;-) I have no investment in anything other than a few apps that I HAVE to buy through Apple's site. Otherwise I only purchase things (music, etc.) that aren't locked in any way - and that "ain't" from iTunes! -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2012 10:24 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Looks funny, doesn' it? => Nokia Joins The iPhone 5 Bashing With This Clever Lumia 920 Video Ad > Gee, I'm on my second iPhone and my second iPad. I love them both and use them constantly. LOL, if I paid those bucks for the hardware and then more big bucks for the ecosystem... I'd be using it all the time too. Just sayin... I have the incredibly inexpensive Nexus 7, which I also love and use all the time, as do both my kids. I have the Droid X which I love and use all the time, and I am looking at the Samsung S3 or Note 2. I admit I am not an iGuy but I just don't get what all those bucks buys other than a nice income for Steve's widow. And an absolute lock on my wallet of course. Just sayin... John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it On 10/3/2012 10:47 PM, Doug Steele wrote: >> I have an iPad and an older $200 Android tablet. I don't care for the >> iPad, it's not as easy to use or as flexible. > > Gee, I'm on my second iPhone and my second iPad. I love them both and > use them constantly. I'm really looking forward to the supposed mini > iPad, as the only complaint I have about my iPad 3 is its size - I think an 8" > screen will be just as legible and easier to use. > > Love that Kool-Aid :) > > Doug > > On Wed, Oct 3, 2012 at 7:12 PM, John Bartow wrote: > >> A great thread! (for the DBA-Tech list :-) >> >> I have a new Samsung GSIII and I think its superior to the iPhone also. >> >> I have an iPad and an older $200 Android tablet. I don't care for the >> iPad, it's not as easy to use or as flexible. >> >> I'm still thinking I'll switch to a Windows 8 phone and tablet when >> they arrive. >> >> -- >> AccessD mailing list >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From hans.andersen at phulse.com Thu Oct 4 03:24:41 2012 From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen) Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2012 01:24:41 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] OT: Looks funny, doesn' it? => Nokia Joins The iPhone 5 Bashing With This Clever Lumia 920 Video Ad In-Reply-To: <019901cda1e8$2f32dec0$8d989c40$@winhaven.net> References: <1349300124.443701408@f47.mail.ru> <93D10F008B998B4A83BCA855A33EEF372C86CB07@CINMBCNA01.e2k.ad.ge.com> <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B5342EF225@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com> <506CD173.23472.335C2FD4@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <018a01cda1d5$c30bd150$492373f0$@winhaven.net> <506D0135.8070309@colbyconsulting.com> <019901cda1e8$2f32dec0$8d989c40$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: <8A05F280-B671-4BF0-A6C7-C09F26D9A37B@phulse.com> I find it pretty funny how some people started out mocking the iPhone, saying it was a waste of money, over priced, not revolutionary. "Ack, my old flip Motorola phone could do the same." Then the iPad came around and it was the same. "Tablets... What a waste of money. No ones ever going to want one of those." Now it's different. You will all admit that iPhones and iPads were techological revolutions, except "now the competition has caught up, x y z flaw exists in Apples latest gizmo, Apple is about to die, all hail Samsung" something or the other. Just admit it: you were never going to buy anything from Apple, even if it were a cure for cancer. Just admit it and move on. Apple is still doing fine. People aren't standing in lines to get an iPhone for their elderly parents. People aren't furious that apple changed their connector, because its been the same connector since the original iPhone (5 years ago) and you cant claim that much consistency with many other competitors. I've heard the exact same claims here as I have on several other online forums today - almost word for word. You are not being original. You are being affected by a marketing campaign. So just go on with your lives. Enjoy your Galaxy S3s and Nexus 7s and iPhone 5s and welcome to the future. Best regards, Hans-Christian Andersen On 3 Oct 2012, at 21:24, "John Bartow" wrote: > I have to support all the new gadgets or I'd still use my Razor flip phone > ;-) > > I have no investment in anything other than a few apps that I HAVE to buy > through Apple's site. Otherwise I only purchase things (music, etc.) that > aren't locked in any way - and that "ain't" from iTunes! > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby > Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2012 10:24 PM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Looks funny, doesn' it? => Nokia Joins The iPhone > 5 Bashing With This Clever Lumia 920 Video Ad > >> Gee, I'm on my second iPhone and my second iPad. I love them both and > use them constantly. > > LOL, if I paid those bucks for the hardware and then more big bucks for the > ecosystem... I'd be using it all the time too. > > Just sayin... > > I have the incredibly inexpensive Nexus 7, which I also love and use all the > time, as do both my kids. I have the Droid X which I love and use all the > time, and I am looking at the Samsung S3 or Note 2. > > I admit I am not an iGuy but I just don't get what all those bucks buys > other than a nice income for Steve's widow. And an absolute lock on my > wallet of course. > > Just sayin... > > John W. Colby > Colby Consulting > > Reality is what refuses to go away > when you do not believe in it > > On 10/3/2012 10:47 PM, Doug Steele wrote: >>> I have an iPad and an older $200 Android tablet. I don't care for the >>> iPad, it's not as easy to use or as flexible. >> >> Gee, I'm on my second iPhone and my second iPad. I love them both and >> use them constantly. I'm really looking forward to the supposed mini >> iPad, as the only complaint I have about my iPad 3 is its size - I think > an 8" >> screen will be just as legible and easier to use. >> >> Love that Kool-Aid :) >> >> Doug >> >> On Wed, Oct 3, 2012 at 7:12 PM, John Bartow wrote: >> >>> A great thread! (for the DBA-Tech list :-) >>> >>> I have a new Samsung GSIII and I think its superior to the iPhone also. >>> >>> I have an iPad and an older $200 Android tablet. I don't care for the >>> iPad, it's not as easy to use or as flexible. >>> >>> I'm still thinking I'll switch to a Windows 8 phone and tablet when >>> they arrive. >>> >>> -- >>> AccessD mailing list >>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au Thu Oct 4 04:36:24 2012 From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins) Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2012 09:36:24 +0000 Subject: [AccessD] OT: Looks funny, doesn' it? => Nokia Joins The iPhone 5 Bashing With This Clever Lumia 920 Video Ad In-Reply-To: <8A05F280-B671-4BF0-A6C7-C09F26D9A37B@phulse.com> References: <1349300124.443701408@f47.mail.ru> <93D10F008B998B4A83BCA855A33EEF372C86CB07@CINMBCNA01.e2k.ad.ge.com> <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B5342EF225@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com> <506CD173.23472.335C2FD4@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <018a01cda1d5$c30bd150$492373f0$@winhaven.net> <506D0135.8070309@colbyconsulting.com> <019901cda1e8$2f32dec0$8d989c40$@winhaven.net>, <8A05F280-B671-4BF0-A6C7-C09F26D9A37B@phulse.com> Message-ID: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B5342EF605@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com> "People aren't furious that apple changed their connector"... Actually I personally know a numerous folks who are really unhappy about the change of connector... That said, I still use an old Nokia 6600 from 2004, which does me fine and the battery still last 4 or so days between charges. So i am hardly a smart phone authority here. ________________________________________ From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] on behalf of Hans-Christian Andersen [hans.andersen at phulse.com] Sent: Thursday, 4 October 2012 6:24 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Looks funny, doesn' it? => Nokia Joins The iPhone 5 Bashing With This Clever Lumia 920 Video Ad I find it pretty funny how some people started out mocking the iPhone, saying it was a waste of money, over priced, not revolutionary. "Ack, my old flip Motorola phone could do the same." Then the iPad came around and it was the same. "Tablets... What a waste of money. No ones ever going to want one of those." Now it's different. You will all admit that iPhones and iPads were techological revolutions, except "now the competition has caught up, x y z flaw exists in Apples latest gizmo, Apple is about to die, all hail Samsung" something or the other. Just admit it: you were never going to buy anything from Apple, even if it were a cure for cancer. Just admit it and move on. Apple is still doing fine. People aren't standing in lines to get an iPhone for their elderly parents. People aren't furious that apple changed their connector, because its been the same connector since the original iPhone (5 years ago) and you cant claim that much consistency with many other competitors. I've heard the exact same claims here as I have on several other online forums today - almost word for word. You are not being original. You are being affected by a marketing campaign. So just go on with your lives. Enjoy your Galaxy S3s and Nexus 7s and iPhone 5s and welcome to the future. Best regards, Hans-Christian Andersen On 3 Oct 2012, at 21:24, "John Bartow" wrote: > I have to support all the new gadgets or I'd still use my Razor flip phone > ;-) > > I have no investment in anything other than a few apps that I HAVE to buy > through Apple's site. Otherwise I only purchase things (music, etc.) that > aren't locked in any way - and that "ain't" from iTunes! > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby > Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2012 10:24 PM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Looks funny, doesn' it? => Nokia Joins The iPhone > 5 Bashing With This Clever Lumia 920 Video Ad > >> Gee, I'm on my second iPhone and my second iPad. I love them both and > use them constantly. > > LOL, if I paid those bucks for the hardware and then more big bucks for the > ecosystem... I'd be using it all the time too. > > Just sayin... > > I have the incredibly inexpensive Nexus 7, which I also love and use all the > time, as do both my kids. I have the Droid X which I love and use all the > time, and I am looking at the Samsung S3 or Note 2. > > I admit I am not an iGuy but I just don't get what all those bucks buys > other than a nice income for Steve's widow. And an absolute lock on my > wallet of course. > > Just sayin... > > John W. Colby > Colby Consulting > > Reality is what refuses to go away > when you do not believe in it > > On 10/3/2012 10:47 PM, Doug Steele wrote: >>> I have an iPad and an older $200 Android tablet. I don't care for the >>> iPad, it's not as easy to use or as flexible. >> >> Gee, I'm on my second iPhone and my second iPad. I love them both and >> use them constantly. I'm really looking forward to the supposed mini >> iPad, as the only complaint I have about my iPad 3 is its size - I think > an 8" >> screen will be just as legible and easier to use. >> >> Love that Kool-Aid :) >> >> Doug >> >> On Wed, Oct 3, 2012 at 7:12 PM, John Bartow wrote: >> >>> A great thread! (for the DBA-Tech list :-) >>> >>> I have a new Samsung GSIII and I think its superior to the iPhone also. >>> >>> I have an iPad and an older $200 Android tablet. I don't care for the >>> iPad, it's not as easy to use or as flexible. >>> >>> I'm still thinking I'll switch to a Windows 8 phone and tablet when >>> they arrive. >>> >>> -- >>> AccessD mailing list >>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Thu Oct 4 07:55:58 2012 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2012 08:55:58 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] OT: Looks funny, doesn' it? => Nokia Joins The iPhone 5 Bashing With This Clever Lumia 920 Video Ad In-Reply-To: <8A05F280-B671-4BF0-A6C7-C09F26D9A37B@phulse.com> References: <1349300124.443701408@f47.mail.ru> <93D10F008B998B4A83BCA855A33EEF372C86CB07@CINMBCNA01.e2k.ad.ge.com> <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B5342EF225@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com> <506CD173.23472.335C2FD4@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <018a01cda1d5$c30bd150$492373f0$@winhaven.net> <506D0135.8070309@colbyconsulting.com> <019901cda1e8$2f32dec0$8d989c40$@winhaven.net> <8A05F280-B671-4BF0-A6C7-C09F26D9A37B@phulse.com> Message-ID: <506D875E.3090802@colbyconsulting.com> Hans, > You will all admit that iPhones and iPads were techological revolutions Uhhh no, I am not willing to admit that. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smartphone An interesting read. "The first cellular phone to incorporate PDA features was an IBM prototype developed in 1992 and demonstrated that year at the COMDEX computer industry trade show. A refined version of the product was marketed to consumers on 16 August 1994 by BellSouth under the name Simon Personal Communicator." "In 1996, Nokia released the Nokia 9000, part of the Nokia Communicator line which became their best-selling phone of that time. It was a palmtop computer-style phone combined with a PDA from HP." "In early 2001, Palm, Inc. introduced the Kyocera 6035, the first smartphone in the United States. This device combined the a PDA with a mobile phone and operated on the Verizon Wireless network. It also supported limited web browsing" "In 2004, HP released the iPaq h6315, a device that combined their previous PDA, the HP 2215 with cellular capability" "In 2007, Apple Inc. introduced the original iPhone, one of the first mobile phones to use a multi-touch interface. The iPhone was notable for its use of a large touchscreen for direct finger input as its main means of interaction, instead of a stylus, keyboard, and/or keypad as typical for smartphones at the time." So... first of all notice how Apple doesn't even enter the cell phone picture for 15 years, at least as a major player. Next... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Touchscreen Notice that you can read down through that and Apple is simply not mentioned.. *ANYWHERE* Next... search the following for touchscreen. http://www.webdesignerdepot.com/2009/05/the-evolution-of-cell-phone-design-between-1983-2009/ "Ericsson R380 - The R380 featured a black and white touchscreen, partially covered by a flip" In the year 2000!! Next... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multi-touch Notice that Apple *acquired* the company that developed modern multi-touch. Notice also that: "Apple additionally attempted to register "Multi-touch" as a trademark in the United States?however its request was denied by the United States Patent and Trademark Office because it considered the term generic." So Apple applies an generic interface enhancement (touch screen / multi-touch) that they had nothing to do with developing for an existing truly revolutionary device (the smart phone) that they had nothing to do with developing and *APPLE* is the revolutionary. Apple simply applied technology to technology to take the next logical step. One could reasonably argue that it was just an idea whose time had come, and whose technology was at a state where it could be feasibly applied. As for the iPad "revolution" http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/04/15/history-tablet-pc-photos_n_538806.html#s77817&title=GridPad_1989 And I will leave it to someone else to debunk that myth, but notice in the slideshow the iPad is #14 in this simple history. What Apple has is a marketing arm that manages to claim all the credit for everything that they touch, and sells the world that they are cool. So really their marketing machine is revolutionary eh? I will agree that any company that can convince so many people to part with so much money is doing a good *marketing* job. Whether their product is worth all that money... let's just say 'I ain't buying it'. As for whether they are technological revolutions... I think I have demonstrated the nonsense of that statement. John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it On 10/4/2012 4:24 AM, Hans-Christian Andersen wrote: > I find it pretty funny how some people started out mocking the iPhone, saying it was a waste of money, over priced, not revolutionary. "Ack, my old flip Motorola phone could do the same." Then the iPad came around and it was the same. "Tablets... What a waste of money. No ones ever going to want one of those." > > Now it's different. You will all admit that iPhones and iPads were techological revolutions, except "now the competition has caught up, x y z flaw exists in Apples latest gizmo, Apple is about to die, all hail Samsung" something or the other. > > Just admit it: you were never going to buy anything from Apple, even if it were a cure for cancer. > > Just admit it and move on. Apple is still doing fine. People aren't standing in lines to get an iPhone for their elderly parents. People aren't furious that apple changed their connector, because its been the same connector since the original iPhone (5 years ago) and you cant claim that much consistency with many other competitors. > > I've heard the exact same claims here as I have on several other online forums today - almost word for word. You are not being original. You are being affected by a marketing campaign. > > So just go on with your lives. Enjoy your Galaxy S3s and Nexus 7s and iPhone 5s and welcome to the future. > > > Best regards, > Hans-Christian Andersen From vbacreations at gmail.com Thu Oct 4 08:18:16 2012 From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson) Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2012 09:18:16 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] OT: Looks funny, doesn' it? => Nokia Joins The iPhone 5 Bashing With This Clever Lumia 920 Video Ad In-Reply-To: <8A05F280-B671-4BF0-A6C7-C09F26D9A37B@phulse.com> References: <1349300124.443701408@f47.mail.ru> <93D10F008B998B4A83BCA855A33EEF372C86CB07@CINMBCNA01.e2k.ad.ge.com> <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B5342EF225@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com> <506CD173.23472.335C2FD4@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <018a01cda1d5$c30bd150$492373f0$@winhaven.net> <506D0135.8070309@colbyconsulting.com> <019901cda1e8$2f32dec0$8d989c40$@winhaven.net> <8A05F280-B671-4BF0-A6C7-C09F26D9A37B@phulse.com> Message-ID: DEAD DEAD DEAD wrong Hans. I bought Apple for YEARS beginning in 1988 through 1995. When I started abandoning Apple products was when I realized I was paying a price premium of 30% for no better quality, in an industry that was changing so fast as to make me feel I has already wasted whatever money I spent 2 months after buying it. I seemed in a rush to part with cash, just for cool factor. Then I got wise. I said, wow, this stuff should be coming down in price, and I should stop buying at the top of the line. That decision in 2001 probably has saved me $7-8,000 since then. As for iPad, I can't think of a single thing it would do for me, I like the screens on laptops better and I type on real keyboards better than I will ever type on a touch screen. As for iPhone, I like my GS3 a lot better than any iphone I have tested in the stores, though I agree it might take living with one for a week to get a better feel for it. The GS3 is not really very fast for me moving between applications, ESPECIALLY the music player, press on a track, it takes a second or so to "load" or whatever and it should be instantaneous. And I just can't get the hang of the camera. Ah, but I love the form factor, the sleek way it slides in and out of my pocket and I don't even feel I am carrying a phone (don't need a holster). To me a phone is a phone - I do like Android somewhat and probably would like iPhone apps more (except maps ;-) but there is no new revolution coming from Apple in any technical sense, iPhone is just more of same, a little better, and calling a vertically integrated company like Apple with so few offerings a TRILLION DOLLAR enterprise is looking for a MASSIVE drop in the near future. How many people do you think are going to stay in love with this addicitive and stress-inducing constand need to be in touched and be touched by literally everyone all the time. I personally am getting sick of it. Social media is going to kill productivity because at the end of the day, problems are complex, they take more analysis than simply whether a movie gets one or two thumbs up from Ebert. And only on tablets and laptops and desktop systems with information that is reliable whether or not the cloud or 4G is responsive, will save the day more than checking who has updated FB pages in the last 5 minutes. GET BACK TO WORK PEOPLE, SOLVE REAL PROBLEMS. On Thu, Oct 4, 2012 at 4:24 AM, Hans-Christian Andersen < hans.andersen at phulse.com> wrote: > I find it pretty funny how some people started out mocking the iPhone, > saying it was a waste of money, over priced, not revolutionary. "Ack, my > old flip Motorola phone could do the same." Then the iPad came around and > it was the same. "Tablets... What a waste of money. No ones ever going to > want one of those." > > Now it's different. You will all admit that iPhones and iPads were > techological revolutions, except "now the competition has caught up, x y z > flaw exists in Apples latest gizmo, Apple is about to die, all hail > Samsung" something or the other. > > Just admit it: you were never going to buy anything from Apple, even if it > were a cure for cancer. > > Just admit it and move on. Apple is still doing fine. People aren't > standing in lines to get an iPhone for their elderly parents. People aren't > furious that apple changed their connector, because its been the same > connector since the original iPhone (5 years ago) and you cant claim that > much consistency with many other competitors. > > I've heard the exact same claims here as I have on several other online > forums today - almost word for word. You are not being original. You are > being affected by a marketing campaign. > > So just go on with your lives. Enjoy your Galaxy S3s and Nexus 7s and > iPhone 5s and welcome to the future. > > > Best regards, > Hans-Christian Andersen > > > On 3 Oct 2012, at 21:24, "John Bartow" wrote: > > > I have to support all the new gadgets or I'd still use my Razor flip > phone > > ;-) > > > > I have no investment in anything other than a few apps that I HAVE to buy > > through Apple's site. Otherwise I only purchase things (music, etc.) that > > aren't locked in any way - and that "ain't" from iTunes! > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby > > Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2012 10:24 PM > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Looks funny, doesn' it? => Nokia Joins The > iPhone > > 5 Bashing With This Clever Lumia 920 Video Ad > > > >> Gee, I'm on my second iPhone and my second iPad. I love them both and > > use them constantly. > > > > LOL, if I paid those bucks for the hardware and then more big bucks for > the > > ecosystem... I'd be using it all the time too. > > > > Just sayin... > > > > I have the incredibly inexpensive Nexus 7, which I also love and use all > the > > time, as do both my kids. I have the Droid X which I love and use all > the > > time, and I am looking at the Samsung S3 or Note 2. > > > > I admit I am not an iGuy but I just don't get what all those bucks buys > > other than a nice income for Steve's widow. And an absolute lock on my > > wallet of course. > > > > Just sayin... > > > > John W. Colby > > Colby Consulting > > > > Reality is what refuses to go away > > when you do not believe in it > > > > On 10/3/2012 10:47 PM, Doug Steele wrote: > >>> I have an iPad and an older $200 Android tablet. I don't care for the > >>> iPad, it's not as easy to use or as flexible. > >> > >> Gee, I'm on my second iPhone and my second iPad. I love them both and > >> use them constantly. I'm really looking forward to the supposed mini > >> iPad, as the only complaint I have about my iPad 3 is its size - I think > > an 8" > >> screen will be just as legible and easier to use. > >> > >> Love that Kool-Aid :) > >> > >> Doug > >> > >> On Wed, Oct 3, 2012 at 7:12 PM, John Bartow wrote: > >> > >>> A great thread! (for the DBA-Tech list :-) > >>> > >>> I have a new Samsung GSIII and I think its superior to the iPhone also. > >>> > >>> I have an iPad and an older $200 Android tablet. I don't care for the > >>> iPad, it's not as easy to use or as flexible. > >>> > >>> I'm still thinking I'll switch to a Windows 8 phone and tablet when > >>> they arrive. > >>> > >>> -- > >>> AccessD mailing list > >>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > >>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > >>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- *Regards,* ** ** *Bill Benson* *VBACreations* ** PS: You've gotten this e-mail *because you matter to me!* From hans.andersen at phulse.com Thu Oct 4 08:31:55 2012 From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen) Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2012 06:31:55 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] OT: Looks funny, doesn' it? => Nokia Joins The iPhone 5 Bashing With This Clever Lumia 920 Video Ad In-Reply-To: <506D875E.3090802@colbyconsulting.com> References: <1349300124.443701408@f47.mail.ru> <93D10F008B998B4A83BCA855A33EEF372C86CB07@CINMBCNA01.e2k.ad.ge.com> <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B5342EF225@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com> <506CD173.23472.335C2FD4@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <018a01cda1d5$c30bd150$492373f0$@winhaven.net> <506D0135.8070309@colbyconsulting.com> <019901cda1e8$2f32dec0$8d989c40$@winhaven.net> <8A05F280-B671-4BF0-A6C7-C09F26D9A37B@phulse.com> <506D875E.3090802@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <1F58665F-FF76-40BE-BEDE-6B27B5F993D6@phulse.com> Henry Ford revolutionised the auto industry. He didn't invent the wheel though (or the engine, planetary gear, etc). Does that really matter to anyone? Anyways, this is all I have to say on this subject. Don't want to keep fanning the flames of an obvious bias going on here. It's disappointing, is all. - Hans Sent from my iPhone On 2012-10-04, at 5:55 AM, jwcolby wrote: > Hans, > > > You will all admit that iPhones and iPads were techological revolutions > > Uhhh no, I am not willing to admit that. > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smartphone > > An interesting read. > > "The first cellular phone to incorporate PDA features was an IBM prototype developed in 1992 and demonstrated that year at the COMDEX computer industry trade show. A refined version of the product was marketed to consumers on 16 August 1994 by BellSouth under the name Simon Personal Communicator." > > "In 1996, Nokia released the Nokia 9000, part of the Nokia Communicator line which became their best-selling phone of that time. It was a palmtop computer-style phone combined with a PDA from HP." > > "In early 2001, Palm, Inc. introduced the Kyocera 6035, the first smartphone in the United States. This device combined the a PDA with a mobile phone and operated on the Verizon Wireless network. It also supported limited web browsing" > > "In 2004, HP released the iPaq h6315, a device that combined their previous PDA, the HP 2215 with cellular capability" > > "In 2007, Apple Inc. introduced the original iPhone, one of the first mobile phones to use a multi-touch interface. The iPhone was notable for its use of a large touchscreen for direct finger input as its main means of interaction, instead of a stylus, keyboard, and/or keypad as typical for smartphones at the time." > > So... first of all notice how Apple doesn't even enter the cell phone picture for 15 years, at least as a major player. > > Next... > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Touchscreen > > Notice that you can read down through that and Apple is simply not mentioned.. *ANYWHERE* > > Next... search the following for touchscreen. > > http://www.webdesignerdepot.com/2009/05/the-evolution-of-cell-phone-design-between-1983-2009/ > > "Ericsson R380 - The R380 featured a black and white touchscreen, partially covered by a flip" > > In the year 2000!! > > Next... > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multi-touch > > Notice that Apple *acquired* the company that developed modern multi-touch. > > Notice also that: > > "Apple additionally attempted to register "Multi-touch" as a trademark in the United States?however its request was denied by the United States Patent and Trademark Office because it considered the term generic." > > So Apple applies an generic interface enhancement (touch screen / multi-touch) that they had nothing to do with developing for an existing truly revolutionary device (the smart phone) that they had nothing to do with developing and *APPLE* is the revolutionary. Apple simply applied technology to technology to take the next logical step. One could reasonably argue that it was just an idea whose time had come, and whose technology was at a state where it could be feasibly applied. > > As for the iPad "revolution" > > http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/04/15/history-tablet-pc-photos_n_538806.html#s77817&title=GridPad_1989 > > And I will leave it to someone else to debunk that myth, but notice in the slideshow the iPad is #14 in this simple history. > > What Apple has is a marketing arm that manages to claim all the credit for everything that they touch, and sells the world that they are cool. So really their marketing machine is revolutionary eh? > > I will agree that any company that can convince so many people to part with so much money is doing a good *marketing* job. Whether their product is worth all that money... let's just say 'I ain't buying it'. > > As for whether they are technological revolutions... I think I have demonstrated the nonsense of that statement. > > John W. Colby > Colby Consulting > > Reality is what refuses to go away > when you do not believe in it > > On 10/4/2012 4:24 AM, Hans-Christian Andersen wrote: >> I find it pretty funny how some people started out mocking the iPhone, saying it was a waste of money, over priced, not revolutionary. "Ack, my old flip Motorola phone could do the same." Then the iPad came around and it was the same. "Tablets... What a waste of money. No ones ever going to want one of those." >> >> Now it's different. You will all admit that iPhones and iPads were techological revolutions, except "now the competition has caught up, x y z flaw exists in Apples latest gizmo, Apple is about to die, all hail Samsung" something or the other. >> >> Just admit it: you were never going to buy anything from Apple, even if it were a cure for cancer. >> >> Just admit it and move on. Apple is still doing fine. People aren't standing in lines to get an iPhone for their elderly parents. People aren't furious that apple changed their connector, because its been the same connector since the original iPhone (5 years ago) and you cant claim that much consistency with many other competitors. >> >> I've heard the exact same claims here as I have on several other online forums today - almost word for word. You are not being original. You are being affected by a marketing campaign. >> >> So just go on with your lives. Enjoy your Galaxy S3s and Nexus 7s and iPhone 5s and welcome to the future. >> >> >> Best regards, >> Hans-Christian Andersen > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From davidmcafee at gmail.com Thu Oct 4 08:38:31 2012 From: davidmcafee at gmail.com (David McAfee) Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2012 06:38:31 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Assess Developer needed In-Reply-To: <6A3B969FABB94C1F82636A25DB275D2C@creativesystemdesigns.com> References: <506B4583.7000202@colbyconsulting.com> <6A3B969FABB94C1F82636A25DB275D2C@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: Jim, how exactly are they expected to develop all of the asses? :) A lot of squats, I guess? Sent from my Droid phone. On Oct 3, 2012 8:32 AM, "Jim Lawrence" wrote: > There is an Access developer needed some place in Colorado. Looks like a FT > gig. > > > http://information-technology.thingamajob.com/jobs/Colorado/Microsoft-Access > -Developer/2665858 > > Jim > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From fuller.artful at gmail.com Thu Oct 4 08:52:04 2012 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2012 09:52:04 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] OT: Looks funny, doesn' it? => Nokia Joins The iPhone 5 Bashing With This Clever Lumia 920 Video Ad In-Reply-To: <1F58665F-FF76-40BE-BEDE-6B27B5F993D6@phulse.com> References: <1349300124.443701408@f47.mail.ru> <93D10F008B998B4A83BCA855A33EEF372C86CB07@CINMBCNA01.e2k.ad.ge.com> <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B5342EF225@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com> <506CD173.23472.335C2FD4@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <018a01cda1d5$c30bd150$492373f0$@winhaven.net> <506D0135.8070309@colbyconsulting.com> <019901cda1e8$2f32dec0$8d989c40$@winhaven.net> <8A05F280-B671-4BF0-A6C7-C09F26D9A37B@phulse.com> <506D875E.3090802@colbyconsulting.com> <1F58665F-FF76-40BE-BEDE-6B27B5F993D6@phulse.com> Message-ID: I second William's conclusions about social media. After an initial interest, I soon removed myself from Facebook and its ilk. I still belong to LinkedIn but primarily to keep track of what my old friends and colleagues are doing job-wise. I have a cell phone, not a smart phone. My old cell does text but I have never sent a text message. I have however received a few texts but never responded. I did have a tablet, a beautiful Acer Iconia. I only had it for a week. I forgot it in a nearby cafe ,a five minute walk from home, and just as I was about to open the door I suddenly remembered that I'd left it there. I ran back, to no avail. It was gone. In the week I had it, though, I loved it. My friend Peter, who has the same one, helped me install some apps he's found useful. For me its principal virtues were as a replacement for books, especially technical books, and journals such as the New York Review of Books. He also made me aware of a pair of programs that enable you to work with dvd movies, first breaking them into chunks and then converting the chunks to MP4s, so you can watch the movie on the tablet. First movies I did that to were the three "The Girl Who..." movies, the original versions from Swedish TV (6 hours in all). It was really fun to watch them on the tablet! Since I got and lost my Acer, the Nexus 7 has been released. When I have enough spare change I may get one of those instead. Not sure. I liked the Acer a lot. A. From davidmcafee at gmail.com Thu Oct 4 09:03:46 2012 From: davidmcafee at gmail.com (David McAfee) Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2012 07:03:46 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] OT: Looks funny, doesn' it? => Nokia Joins The iPhone 5 Bashing With This Clever Lumia 920 Video Ad In-Reply-To: References: <1349300124.443701408@f47.mail.ru> <93D10F008B998B4A83BCA855A33EEF372C86CB07@CINMBCNA01.e2k.ad.ge.com> <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B5342EF225@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com> <506CD173.23472.335C2FD4@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <018a01cda1d5$c30bd150$492373f0$@winhaven.net> <506D0135.8070309@colbyconsulting.com> <019901cda1e8$2f32dec0$8d989c40$@winhaven.net> <8A05F280-B671-4BF0-A6C7-C09F26D9A37B@phulse.com> <506D875E.3090802@colbyconsulting.com> <1F58665F-FF76-40BE-BEDE-6B27B5F993D6@phulse.com> Message-ID: Look into DVDFab. It will convert DVDs into mp4s in one process. Sent from my Droid phone. On Oct 4, 2012 6:53 AM, "Arthur Fuller" wrote: > I second William's conclusions about social media. After an initial > interest, I soon removed myself from Facebook and its ilk. I still belong > to LinkedIn but primarily to keep track of what my old friends and > colleagues are doing job-wise. > > I have a cell phone, not a smart phone. My old cell does text but I have > never sent a text message. I have however received a few texts but never > responded. > > I did have a tablet, a beautiful Acer Iconia. I only had it for a week. I > forgot it in a nearby cafe ,a five minute walk from home, and just as I was > about to open the door I suddenly remembered that I'd left it there. I ran > back, to no avail. It was gone. In the week I had it, though, I loved it. > My friend Peter, who has the same one, helped me install some apps he's > found useful. For me its principal virtues were as a replacement for books, > especially technical books, and journals such as the New York Review of > Books. He also made me aware of a pair of programs that enable you to work > with dvd movies, first breaking them into chunks and then converting the > chunks to MP4s, so you can watch the movie on the tablet. First movies I > did that to were the three "The Girl Who..." movies, the original versions > from Swedish TV (6 hours in all). It was really fun to watch them on the > tablet! > > Since I got and lost my Acer, the Nexus 7 has been released. When I have > enough spare change I may get one of those instead. Not sure. I liked the > Acer a lot. > > A. > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From vbacreations at gmail.com Thu Oct 4 09:11:03 2012 From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson) Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2012 10:11:03 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] OT: Looks funny, doesn' it? => Nokia Joins The iPhone 5 Bashing With This Clever Lumia 920 Video Ad In-Reply-To: <1F58665F-FF76-40BE-BEDE-6B27B5F993D6@phulse.com> References: <1349300124.443701408@f47.mail.ru> <93D10F008B998B4A83BCA855A33EEF372C86CB07@CINMBCNA01.e2k.ad.ge.com> <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B5342EF225@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com> <506CD173.23472.335C2FD4@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <018a01cda1d5$c30bd150$492373f0$@winhaven.net> <506D0135.8070309@colbyconsulting.com> <019901cda1e8$2f32dec0$8d989c40$@winhaven.net> <8A05F280-B671-4BF0-A6C7-C09F26D9A37B@phulse.com> <506D875E.3090802@colbyconsulting.com> <1F58665F-FF76-40BE-BEDE-6B27B5F993D6@phulse.com> Message-ID: Hans, it is not bias, I have nothing against a company like Apple. I am saying that they go it alone, and they will have to innovate or die because they are in a consumer products industry, and Steve is gone, and I don;t think he trained any other visionaries at the company who can replace his insight and timing. If they stumble, who will help them? They are not a bank that can get bailed out. They don't represent America like a car industry. They appeal to self interested people who so far they have satisfied very well and ultimately the day they let you down with their next batch of products (which the Map episode showed) and some of the iMac clones showed and other points in their history where they stumbled, they won;t be too big to fail they will be big enough to fail monstrously... and all their allegiances come from overseas suppliers who will just turn elsewhere and supply apple's competitors the minute the going gets tough. And anyway, it is only my opinion and I don;t really care how any company does, I just want improvements to life to keep rolling out. Competition is GOOD. On Thu, Oct 4, 2012 at 9:31 AM, Hans-Christian Andersen < hans.andersen at phulse.com> wrote: > Henry Ford revolutionised the auto industry. He didn't invent the wheel > though (or the engine, planetary gear, etc). Does that really matter to > anyone? > > Anyways, this is all I have to say on this subject. Don't want to keep > fanning the flames of an obvious bias going on here. It's disappointing, is > all. > > > > - Hans > > Sent from my iPhone > > On 2012-10-04, at 5:55 AM, jwcolby wrote: > > > Hans, > > > > > You will all admit that iPhones and iPads were techological revolutions > > > > Uhhh no, I am not willing to admit that. > > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smartphone > > > > An interesting read. > > > > "The first cellular phone to incorporate PDA features was an IBM > prototype developed in 1992 and demonstrated that year at the COMDEX > computer industry trade show. A refined version of the product was marketed > to consumers on 16 August 1994 by BellSouth under the name Simon Personal > Communicator." > > > > "In 1996, Nokia released the Nokia 9000, part of the Nokia Communicator > line which became their best-selling phone of that time. It was a palmtop > computer-style phone combined with a PDA from HP." > > > > "In early 2001, Palm, Inc. introduced the Kyocera 6035, the first > smartphone in the United States. This device combined the a PDA with a > mobile phone and operated on the Verizon Wireless network. It also > supported limited web browsing" > > > > "In 2004, HP released the iPaq h6315, a device that combined their > previous PDA, the HP 2215 with cellular capability" > > > > "In 2007, Apple Inc. introduced the original iPhone, one of the first > mobile phones to use a multi-touch interface. The iPhone was notable for > its use of a large touchscreen for direct finger input as its main means of > interaction, instead of a stylus, keyboard, and/or keypad as typical for > smartphones at the time." > > > > So... first of all notice how Apple doesn't even enter the cell phone > picture for 15 years, at least as a major player. > > > > Next... > > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Touchscreen > > > > Notice that you can read down through that and Apple is simply not > mentioned.. *ANYWHERE* > > > > Next... search the following for touchscreen. > > > > > http://www.webdesignerdepot.com/2009/05/the-evolution-of-cell-phone-design-between-1983-2009/ > > > > "Ericsson R380 - The R380 featured a black and white touchscreen, > partially covered by a flip" > > > > In the year 2000!! > > > > Next... > > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multi-touch > > > > Notice that Apple *acquired* the company that developed modern > multi-touch. > > > > Notice also that: > > > > "Apple additionally attempted to register "Multi-touch" as a trademark > in the United States?however its request was denied by the United States > Patent and Trademark Office because it considered the term generic." > > > > So Apple applies an generic interface enhancement (touch screen / > multi-touch) that they had nothing to do with developing for an existing > truly revolutionary device (the smart phone) that they had nothing to do > with developing and *APPLE* is the revolutionary. Apple simply applied > technology to technology to take the next logical step. One could > reasonably argue that it was just an idea whose time had come, and whose > technology was at a state where it could be feasibly applied. > > > > As for the iPad "revolution" > > > > > http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/04/15/history-tablet-pc-photos_n_538806.html#s77817&title=GridPad_1989 > > > > And I will leave it to someone else to debunk that myth, but notice in > the slideshow the iPad is #14 in this simple history. > > > > What Apple has is a marketing arm that manages to claim all the credit > for everything that they touch, and sells the world that they are cool. So > really their marketing machine is revolutionary eh? > > > > I will agree that any company that can convince so many people to part > with so much money is doing a good *marketing* job. Whether their product > is worth all that money... let's just say 'I ain't buying it'. > > > > As for whether they are technological revolutions... I think I have > demonstrated the nonsense of that statement. > > > > John W. Colby > > Colby Consulting > > > > Reality is what refuses to go away > > when you do not believe in it > > > > On 10/4/2012 4:24 AM, Hans-Christian Andersen wrote: > >> I find it pretty funny how some people started out mocking the iPhone, > saying it was a waste of money, over priced, not revolutionary. "Ack, my > old flip Motorola phone could do the same." Then the iPad came around and > it was the same. "Tablets... What a waste of money. No ones ever going to > want one of those." > >> > >> Now it's different. You will all admit that iPhones and iPads were > techological revolutions, except "now the competition has caught up, x y z > flaw exists in Apples latest gizmo, Apple is about to die, all hail > Samsung" something or the other. > >> > >> Just admit it: you were never going to buy anything from Apple, even if > it were a cure for cancer. > >> > >> Just admit it and move on. Apple is still doing fine. People aren't > standing in lines to get an iPhone for their elderly parents. People aren't > furious that apple changed their connector, because its been the same > connector since the original iPhone (5 years ago) and you cant claim that > much consistency with many other competitors. > >> > >> I've heard the exact same claims here as I have on several other online > forums today - almost word for word. You are not being original. You are > being affected by a marketing campaign. > >> > >> So just go on with your lives. Enjoy your Galaxy S3s and Nexus 7s and > iPhone 5s and welcome to the future. > >> > >> > >> Best regards, > >> Hans-Christian Andersen > > > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- *Regards,* ** ** *Bill Benson* *VBACreations* ** PS: You've gotten this e-mail *because you matter to me!* From rls at WeBeDb.com Thu Oct 4 09:26:58 2012 From: rls at WeBeDb.com (Robert Stewart) Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2012 09:26:58 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] AccessD Digest, Vol 116, Issue 1 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <04B2FD5D-2081-4F15-B494-CE969A0CAA61@holly.arvixe.com> Personally, I have a Windows Phone. And, I will get an upgrade to the new one when it comes out. I have an Android tablet, or I should say, the family does. We use it for games. I am counting the days until the MS Surface machines are available. As to the size, 10" to 12" is good for me. But, I am the one that would have bought the 18.4" Qosmio if they still made it when I bought my new laptop about a year ago. :-) I would have bought the 18.4" Alienware machine if the reviews had been good on it. But they were garbage. I don't mind carrying around my desktop. :-) At 09:47 PM 10/3/2012, you wrote: >Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2012 21:12:52 -0500 >From: "John Bartow" >To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" > >Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Looks funny, doesn' it? => Nokia Joins The > iPhone 5 Bashing With This Clever Lumia 920 Video Ad >Message-ID: <018a01cda1d5$c30bd150$492373f0$@winhaven.net> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > >A great thread! (for the DBA-Tech list :-) > >I have a new Samsung GSIII and I think its superior to the iPhone also. > >I have an iPad and an older $200 Android tablet. I don't care for the iPad, >it's not as easy to use or as flexible. > >I'm still thinking I'll switch to a Windows 8 phone and tablet when they >arrive. Robert L. Stewart Any fool can write code that a computer can understand. Good programmers write code that humans can understand. --Martin Fowler www.WeBeDb.com www.DBGUIDesign.com www.RLStewartPhotography.com From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Thu Oct 4 09:50:31 2012 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2012 10:50:31 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Technology "Revolutions" In-Reply-To: References: <1349300124.443701408@f47.mail.ru> <93D10F008B998B4A83BCA855A33EEF372C86CB07@CINMBCNA01.e2k.ad.ge.com> <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B5342EF225@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com> <506CD173.23472.335C2FD4@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <018a01cda1d5$c30bd150$492373f0$@winhaven.net> <506D0135.8070309@colbyconsulting.com> <019901cda1e8$2f32dec0$8d989c40$@winhaven.net> <8A05F280-B671-4BF0-A6C7-C09F26D9A37B@phulse.com> <506D875E.3090802@colbyconsulting.com> <1F58665F-FF76-40BE-BEDE-6B27B5F993D6@phulse.com> Message-ID: <506DA237.2020901@colbyconsulting.com> The smart phone and tablet are ideas whose time has come. Laying the credit at the feet of any single company is simply ludicrous. Apple played a huge part in popularizing both the smart phone and the tablet, but they didn't invent any of it. Does that matter, not at all. They played their part (mostly marketing IMHO) and they reaped their reward. However in the end there is no 'forever' winner in anything, whether it be cars, or boats or airplanes or PCs or cell phones. Jobs was an incredibly obnoxious genius who had visions and a gift for getting them implemented. As often happens, once the genius goes, the fortunes of those around the genius goes as well. IMO that happened once for Apple and is in the process of happening again. As for me, I am indeed biased, against Apple. I truly believe that while their products were very good, they were not truly great. They were well above average. Their prices were way above average and that *alone* is what kept me out of the Apple game for a long time. In the end they became 'snob appeal' and that finished them off for me. I am not my iPhone, I am not my iPad and I am not my Nexus 7. I don't buy into the 'ya gotta have an iWidget (or any other widget) or you're nobody' mentality. And since (IMO) their products are good but not great and they are overpriced - well above their actual value - I have no real incentive to buy them. OTOH I do not try and sell the iPeople out of buying them. Anyone who buys an iWidget got what they wanted in laying down their iMoney so who am I to denigrate that. My sister-in-law owns an advertising agency. She has only Apple products in her business and home. I support her in that. They work for her, she needs what they do and what they give her. I bought the Kindle Fire because I needed a reasonably priced tablet and that was the *only* one that did what I needed for a price I was willing to pay. A year later I bought the Nexus 7 because it was the *only* tablet that did what I *wanted* at a price I was willing to pay. Notice the first tablet was defined by needs (and truly did not do what I wanted) and the second by wants, while both were defined by economics. I love my Nexus 7. It is a way cool machine. The iPad probably is as well but it simply doesn't meet my requirements (price/value) and AFAICT gives me absolutely nothing that my Nexus 7 doesn't for an incredibly lot more money. So I suppose that you can say that I am biased, I think we are all biased. We look at our own situation and make decisions and get called biased by the same people that came to other conclusions and are biased the other way. I'll admit that I am biased if you'll admit that you are biased. Looking unemotionally at the technology world today I don't see either Apple or MS to be on the rise. It appears to me that both are declining in influence. *Nobody* stays on top forever. Regardless, my boat is tied to the MS world for now, and I am OK with that. But my tablet and my cell is Android based and I am OK with that as well. John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it On 10/4/2012 9:52 AM, Arthur Fuller wrote: > I second William's conclusions about social media. After an initial > interest, I soon removed myself from Facebook and its ilk. I still belong > to LinkedIn but primarily to keep track of what my old friends and > colleagues are doing job-wise. > > I have a cell phone, not a smart phone. My old cell does text but I have > never sent a text message. I have however received a few texts but never > responded. > > I did have a tablet, a beautiful Acer Iconia. I only had it for a week. I > forgot it in a nearby cafe ,a five minute walk from home, and just as I was > about to open the door I suddenly remembered that I'd left it there. I ran > back, to no avail. It was gone. In the week I had it, though, I loved it. > My friend Peter, who has the same one, helped me install some apps he's > found useful. For me its principal virtues were as a replacement for books, > especially technical books, and journals such as the New York Review of > Books. He also made me aware of a pair of programs that enable you to work > with dvd movies, first breaking them into chunks and then converting the > chunks to MP4s, so you can watch the movie on the tablet. First movies I > did that to were the three "The Girl Who..." movies, the original versions > from Swedish TV (6 hours in all). It was really fun to watch them on the > tablet! > > Since I got and lost my Acer, the Nexus 7 has been released. When I have > enough spare change I may get one of those instead. Not sure. I liked the > Acer a lot. > > A. > From accessd at shaw.ca Thu Oct 4 10:02:54 2012 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2012 08:02:54 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Assess Developer needed In-Reply-To: References: <506B4583.7000202@colbyconsulting.com><6A3B969FABB94C1F82636A25DB275D2C@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: I am just the messenger... ;-) Phone down (or is it phone side-ways), get the skinny and share. ;-) Jim -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of David McAfee Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2012 6:39 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Assess Developer needed Jim, how exactly are they expected to develop all of the asses? :) A lot of squats, I guess? Sent from my Droid phone. On Oct 3, 2012 8:32 AM, "Jim Lawrence" wrote: > There is an Access developer needed some place in Colorado. Looks like a FT > gig. > > > http://information-technology.thingamajob.com/jobs/Colorado/Microsoft-Access > -Developer/2665858 > > Jim > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From mcp2004 at mail.ru Thu Oct 4 10:11:45 2012 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=) Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2012 19:11:45 +0400 Subject: [AccessD] =?utf-8?b?T1Q6IExvb2tzIGZ1bm55LCBkb2VzbicgaXQ/ID0+IE5v?= =?utf-8?q?kia_Joins_The_iPhone_5_Bashing_With_This_Clever_Lumia_920_Video?= =?utf-8?q?_Ad?= In-Reply-To: <1F58665F-FF76-40BE-BEDE-6B27B5F993D6@phulse.com> References: <1349300124.443701408@f47.mail.ru> <506D875E.3090802@colbyconsulting.com> <1F58665F-FF76-40BE-BEDE-6B27B5F993D6@phulse.com> Message-ID: <1349363505.121121997@m.mail.ru> I didn't intend to provoke any flame X vs Y vs. Z vs. ... by my posting. I just liked the subject "technology bashing animation" because it looked so clever and inoffensive IMO, at least if I'd have been an Apple fun I'd not get offended at all. Waiting for something as clever as the subject animation but this time "bashing WinPhone"... :) Thank you. -- Shamil Thu, 4 Oct 2012 06:31:55 -0700 ?? Hans-Christian Andersen : > Henry Ford revolutionised the auto industry. He didn't invent the wheel though > (or the engine, planetary gear, etc). Does that really matter to anyone? > > Anyways, this is all I have to say on this subject. Don't want to keep fanning > the flames of an obvious bias going on here. It's disappointing, is all. > > > > - Hans > > Sent from my iPhone > > On 2012-10-04, at 5:55 AM, jwcolby wrote: > > > Hans, > > > > > You will all admit that iPhones and iPads were techological revolutions > > > > Uhhh no, I am not willing to admit that. > > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smartphone > > > > An interesting read. > > > > "The first cellular phone to incorporate PDA features was an IBM prototype > developed in 1992 and demonstrated that year at the COMDEX computer industry > trade show. A refined version of the product was marketed to consumers on 16 > August 1994 by BellSouth under the name Simon Personal Communicator." > > > > "In 1996, Nokia released the Nokia 9000, part of the Nokia Communicator line > which became their best-selling phone of that time. It was a palmtop > computer-style phone combined with a PDA from HP." > > > > "In early 2001, Palm, Inc. introduced the Kyocera 6035, the first smartphone > in the United States. This device combined the a PDA with a mobile phone and > operated on the Verizon Wireless network. It also supported limited web > browsing" > > > > "In 2004, HP released the iPaq h6315, a device that combined their previous > PDA, the HP 2215 with cellular capability" > > > > "In 2007, Apple Inc. introduced the original iPhone, one of the first mobile > phones to use a multi-touch interface. The iPhone was notable for its use of a > large touchscreen for direct finger input as its main means of interaction, > instead of a stylus, keyboard, and/or keypad as typical for smartphones at the > time." > > > > So... first of all notice how Apple doesn't even enter the cell phone > picture for 15 years, at least as a major player. > > > > Next... > > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Touchscreen > > > > Notice that you can read down through that and Apple is simply not > mentioned.. *ANYWHERE* > > > > Next... search the following for touchscreen. > > > > > http://www.webdesignerdepot.com/2009/05/the-evolution-of-cell-phone-design-between-1983-2009/ > > > > "Ericsson R380 - The R380 featured a black and white touchscreen, partially > covered by a flip" > > > > In the year 2000!! > > > > Next... > > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multi-touch > > > > Notice that Apple *acquired* the company that developed modern multi-touch. > > > > Notice also that: > > > > "Apple additionally attempted to register "Multi-touch" as a trademark in > the United States?however its request was denied by the United States Patent > and Trademark Office because it considered the term generic." > > > > So Apple applies an generic interface enhancement (touch screen / > multi-touch) that they had nothing to do with developing for an existing truly > revolutionary device (the smart phone) that they had nothing to do with > developing and *APPLE* is the revolutionary. Apple simply applied technology > to technology to take the next logical step. One could reasonably argue that > it was just an idea whose time had come, and whose technology was at a state > where it could be feasibly applied. > > > > As for the iPad "revolution" > > > > > http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/04/15/history-tablet-pc-photos_n_538806.html#s77817&title=GridPad_1989 > > > > And I will leave it to someone else to debunk that myth, but notice in the > slideshow the iPad is #14 in this simple history. > > > > What Apple has is a marketing arm that manages to claim all the credit for > everything that they touch, and sells the world that they are cool. So really > their marketing machine is revolutionary eh? > > > > I will agree that any company that can convince so many people to part with > so much money is doing a good *marketing* job. Whether their product is worth > all that money... let's just say 'I ain't buying it'. > > > > As for whether they are technological revolutions... I think I have > demonstrated the nonsense of that statement. > > > > John W. Colby > > Colby Consulting > > > > Reality is what refuses to go away > > when you do not believe in it > > > > On 10/4/2012 4:24 AM, Hans-Christian Andersen wrote: > >> I find it pretty funny how some people started out mocking the iPhone, > saying it was a waste of money, over priced, not revolutionary. "Ack, my old > flip Motorola phone could do the same." Then the iPad came around and it was > the same. "Tablets... What a waste of money. No ones ever going to want one of > those." > >> > >> Now it's different. You will all admit that iPhones and iPads were > techological revolutions, except "now the competition has caught up, x y z > flaw exists in Apples latest gizmo, Apple is about to die, all hail Samsung" > something or the other. > >> > >> Just admit it: you were never going to buy anything from Apple, even if it > were a cure for cancer. > >> > >> Just admit it and move on. Apple is still doing fine. People aren't > standing in lines to get an iPhone for their elderly parents. People aren't > furious that apple changed their connector, because its been the same > connector since the original iPhone (5 years ago) and you cant claim that much > consistency with many other competitors. > >> > >> I've heard the exact same claims here as I have on several other online > forums today - almost word for word. You are not being original. You are being > affected by a marketing campaign. > >> > >> So just go on with your lives. Enjoy your Galaxy S3s and Nexus 7s and > iPhone 5s and welcome to the future. > >> > >> > >> Best regards, > >> Hans-Christian Andersen > > > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From rls at WeBeDb.com Thu Oct 4 10:19:52 2012 From: rls at WeBeDb.com (Robert Stewart) Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2012 10:19:52 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] OT: Looks funny, In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200CB12F-94B2-4985-825D-FBCC73552296@holly.arvixe.com> Hans, Uh, no, Apple did not innovate the iPad. Just go Google the Surface specifications. After you read them, you will understand that the table top "tablet" that MS developed, called Surface, was actually the original iPad/Android. Apple and others just made them smaller. Now that the "originator" is getting into the game, we will see what happens. Not that MS gets everything right and does everything good. All of the "gesture" specifications were spelled out for Apple and Android developers a long time ago by those Surface specifications. So, the only "technical revolution" was the shrinking of the size from a table top to a 10" design (or smaller). I wonder how many of the Surface table top tablets are at Apple. Food for thought... And, yes I admit it. I will never buy anything that starts with an i, or from Apple. At 10:03 AM 10/4/2012, you wrote: >Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2012 01:24:41 -0700 >From: Hans-Christian Andersen >To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > >Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Looks funny, doesn' it? => Nokia Joins The > iPhone 5 Bashing With This Clever Lumia 920 Video Ad >Message-ID: <8A05F280-B671-4BF0-A6C7-C09F26D9A37B at phulse.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > >I find it pretty funny how some people started out mocking the >iPhone, saying it was a waste of money, over priced, not >revolutionary. "Ack, my old flip Motorola phone could do the same." >Then the iPad came around and it was the same. "Tablets... What a >waste of money. No ones ever going to want one of those." > >Now it's different. You will all admit that iPhones and iPads were >techological revolutions, except "now the competition has caught up, >x y z flaw exists in Apples latest gizmo, Apple is about to die, all >hail Samsung" something or the other. > >Just admit it: you were never going to buy anything from Apple, even >if it were a cure for cancer. > >Just admit it and move on. Apple is still doing fine. People aren't >standing in lines to get an iPhone for their elderly parents. People >aren't furious that apple changed their connector, because its been >the same connector since the original iPhone (5 years ago) and you >cant claim that much consistency with many other competitors. > >I've heard the exact same claims here as I have on several other >online forums today - almost word for word. You are not being >original. You are being affected by a marketing campaign. > >So just go on with your lives. Enjoy your Galaxy S3s and Nexus 7s >and iPhone 5s and welcome to the future. > > >Best regards, >Hans-Christian Andersen Robert L. Stewart Any fool can write code that a computer can understand. Good programmers write code that humans can understand. --Martin Fowler www.WeBeDb.com www.DBGUIDesign.com www.RLStewartPhotography.com From ssharkins at gmail.com Thu Oct 4 10:23:37 2012 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2012 11:23:37 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Technology "Revolutions" References: <1349300124.443701408@f47.mail.ru><93D10F008B998B4A83BCA855A33EEF372C86CB07@CINMBCNA01.e2k.ad.ge.com><56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B5342EF225@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com><506CD173.23472.335C2FD4@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg><018a01cda1d5$c30bd150$492373f0$@winhaven.net><506D0135.8070309@colbyconsulting.com><019901cda1e8$2f32dec0$8d989c40$@winhaven.net><8A05F280-B671-4BF0-A6C7-C09F26D9A37B@phulse.com><506D875E.3090802@colbyconsulting.com><1F58665F-FF76-40BE-BEDE-6B27B5F993D6@phulse.com> <506DA237.2020901@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: The pcs I use for work are over 10 years old (albeit upgraded by my own hands). I don't have a tablet. My cellphones are TracFones and they're eight years old. I still read real books. My needs are simple. :) If I were doing what most of you were doing, I couldn't operate like this, but it works for me. One of the kids at the wildlife center where I volunteer calls my TracFone a "museum piece!" :) But, I pay about $10 a month and it does what I need. It doesn't even take bad pictures. :) I love that technology is generating jobs and all this great innovation though, so don't get me wrong. I just don't have a need right now. Most of the settings on my digital camera are still unexplored. :) The touch screens that my grandchildren are using on their TOYS totally blow me away -- still. I mean, this is Star Trek stuff and we have it right now. But, my grandkids take it for granted -- it IS their world, not something new and sci fi -- they have it. A couple of the kids at the center have the newer phones that share files using the scan feature -- they just line up and share -- totally messes with my brain. :) What... no connection string that's missing an arcane argument????? I don't really care much who's producing it as long as they all keep shoving one another back to their drawing boards. :) Seriously... 20 years ago, we were barely using the Internet and my phone was still connected to the wall! Now we've got data streaming into hand held phones that respond to little finger taps and share files just by touching -- I'm dizzy, I need to go rest. :) Susan H. > > But my tablet and my cell is Android based and I am OK with that as well. > From charlotte.foust at gmail.com Thu Oct 4 11:45:10 2012 From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust) Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2012 09:45:10 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Technology "Revolutions" In-Reply-To: <506DA237.2020901@colbyconsulting.com> References: <1349300124.443701408@f47.mail.ru> <93D10F008B998B4A83BCA855A33EEF372C86CB07@CINMBCNA01.e2k.ad.ge.com> <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B5342EF225@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com> <506CD173.23472.335C2FD4@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <018a01cda1d5$c30bd150$492373f0$@winhaven.net> <506D0135.8070309@colbyconsulting.com> <019901cda1e8$2f32dec0$8d989c40$@winhaven.net> <8A05F280-B671-4BF0-A6C7-C09F26D9A37B@phulse.com> <506D875E.3090802@colbyconsulting.com> <1F58665F-FF76-40BE-BEDE-6B27B5F993D6@phulse.com> <506DA237.2020901@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: John, You're a closet buddhist! Everything changes, as those of us old enough to remember 8-inch floppies and CPM realize. I too admit to an anti-Apple bias. I have a couple of iPods (gifts), but I'm happy with my Android phone and my Windows laptop. I've found that my Android tablet isn't really useful, but the same reasons that make it not useful would also apply to an iPad. The new Samsung Note 10.1 tickles my fancy but isn't in my price range between contracts. I don't hate Apple, I just don't like the logic they use. And I am uncomfortable with the "take no prisoners" attitude the company affects, which also deflects me from their products. To use an old expression, there's a rag for every mop! If Apple suits, fine. It not, that's good too. Charlotte On Thu, Oct 4, 2012 at 7:50 AM, jwcolby wrote: > The smart phone and tablet are ideas whose time has come. Laying the > credit at the feet of any single company is simply ludicrous. Apple played > a huge part in popularizing both the smart phone and the tablet, but they > didn't invent any of it. Does that matter, not at all. They played their > part (mostly marketing IMHO) and they reaped their reward. > > However in the end there is no 'forever' winner in anything, whether it be > cars, or boats or airplanes or PCs or cell phones. Jobs was an incredibly > obnoxious genius who had visions and a gift for getting them implemented. > As often happens, once the genius goes, the fortunes of those around the > genius goes as well. IMO that happened once for Apple and is in the > process of happening again. > > As for me, I am indeed biased, against Apple. I truly believe that while > their products were very good, they were not truly great. They were well > above average. Their prices were way above average and that *alone* is > what kept me out of the Apple game for a long time. > > In the end they became 'snob appeal' and that finished them off for me. I > am not my iPhone, I am not my iPad and I am not my Nexus 7. I don't buy > into the 'ya gotta have an iWidget (or any other widget) or you're nobody' > mentality. And since (IMO) their products are good but not great and they > are overpriced - well above their actual value - I have no real incentive > to buy them. > > OTOH I do not try and sell the iPeople out of buying them. Anyone who > buys an iWidget got what they wanted in laying down their iMoney so who am > I to denigrate that. My sister-in-law owns an advertising agency. She has > only Apple products in her business and home. I support her in that. They > work for her, she needs what they do and what they give her. > > I bought the Kindle Fire because I needed a reasonably priced tablet and > that was the *only* one that did what I needed for a price I was willing to > pay. A year later I bought the Nexus 7 because it was the *only* tablet > that did what I *wanted* at a price I was willing to pay. Notice the first > tablet was defined by needs (and truly did not do what I wanted) and the > second by wants, while both were defined by economics. > > I love my Nexus 7. It is a way cool machine. The iPad probably is as > well but it simply doesn't meet my requirements (price/value) and AFAICT > gives me absolutely nothing that my Nexus 7 doesn't for an incredibly lot > more money. > > So I suppose that you can say that I am biased, I think we are all biased. > We look at our own situation and make decisions and get called biased by > the same people that came to other conclusions and are biased the other > way. I'll admit that I am biased if you'll admit that you are biased. > > Looking unemotionally at the technology world today I don't see either > Apple or MS to be on the rise. It appears to me that both are declining in > influence. *Nobody* stays on top forever. > > Regardless, my boat is tied to the MS world for now, and I am OK with that. > > But my tablet and my cell is Android based and I am OK with that as well. > > John W. Colby > Colby Consulting > > Reality is what refuses to go away > when you do not believe in it > > From mcp2004 at mail.ru Thu Oct 4 11:50:01 2012 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=) Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2012 20:50:01 +0400 Subject: [AccessD] =?utf-8?q?OT=3A_Meet=2C_Play=2C_Follow_=26_Contribute?= =?utf-8?q?=3A_TypeScript_-_an_open-source_=22Object-Oriented_JavaScript?= =?utf-8?b?IiBmcm9tIE1TLi4=?= Message-ID: <1349369401.435830975@f259.mail.ru> Hi All -- FYI:?http://www.typescriptlang.org/Playground/? &?http://typescript.codeplex.com/ Source: ?http://techcrunch.com/2012/10/01/microsoft-previews-new-javascript-like-programming-language-typescript/ Thank you. -- Shamil? From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Thu Oct 4 11:51:27 2012 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2012 12:51:27 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Technology "Revolutions" In-Reply-To: References: <1349300124.443701408@f47.mail.ru> <93D10F008B998B4A83BCA855A33EEF372C86CB07@CINMBCNA01.e2k.ad.ge.com> <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B5342EF225@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com> <506CD173.23472.335C2FD4@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <018a01cda1d5$c30bd150$492373f0$@winhaven.net> <506D0135.8070309@colbyconsulting.com> <019901cda1e8$2f32dec0$8d989c40$@winhaven.net> <8A05F280-B671-4BF0-A6C7-C09F26D9A37B@phulse.com> <506D875E.3090802@colbyconsulting.com> <1F58665F-FF76-40BE-BEDE-6B27B5F993D6@phulse.com> <506DA237.2020901@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <506DBE8F.7030803@colbyconsulting.com> You're a closet buddhist? LOL. Not being up on every religion I must admit I find that one mystifying. John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it On 10/4/2012 12:45 PM, Charlotte Foust wrote: > You're a closet buddhist! From charlotte.foust at gmail.com Thu Oct 4 12:06:01 2012 From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust) Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2012 10:06:01 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Technology "Revolutions" In-Reply-To: <506DBE8F.7030803@colbyconsulting.com> References: <1349300124.443701408@f47.mail.ru> <93D10F008B998B4A83BCA855A33EEF372C86CB07@CINMBCNA01.e2k.ad.ge.com> <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B5342EF225@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com> <506CD173.23472.335C2FD4@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <018a01cda1d5$c30bd150$492373f0$@winhaven.net> <506D0135.8070309@colbyconsulting.com> <019901cda1e8$2f32dec0$8d989c40$@winhaven.net> <8A05F280-B671-4BF0-A6C7-C09F26D9A37B@phulse.com> <506D875E.3090802@colbyconsulting.com> <1F58665F-FF76-40BE-BEDE-6B27B5F993D6@phulse.com> <506DA237.2020901@colbyconsulting.com> <506DBE8F.7030803@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: >>I find that one mystifying. So do a lot of people born into the belief! LOL Charlotte On Thu, Oct 4, 2012 at 9:51 AM, jwcolby wrote: > You're a closet buddhist? > > LOL. Not being up on every religion I must admit I find that one > mystifying. > > > John W. Colby > Colby Consulting > > Reality is what refuses to go away > when you do not believe in it > > On 10/4/2012 12:45 PM, Charlotte Foust wrote: > >> You're a closet buddhist! >> > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/accessd > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.**com > > > From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Thu Oct 4 12:05:32 2012 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2012 13:05:32 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Technology "Revolutions" In-Reply-To: References: <1349300124.443701408@f47.mail.ru> <93D10F008B998B4A83BCA855A33EEF372C86CB07@CINMBCNA01.e2k.ad.ge.com> <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B5342EF225@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com> <506CD173.23472.335C2FD4@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <018a01cda1d5$c30bd150$492373f0$@winhaven.net> <506D0135.8070309@colbyconsulting.com> <019901cda1e8$2f32dec0$8d989c40$@winhaven.net> <8A05F280-B671-4BF0-A6C7-C09F26D9A37B@phulse.com> <506D875E.3090802@colbyconsulting.com> <1F58665F-FF76-40BE-BEDE-6B27B5F993D6@phulse.com> <506DA237.2020901@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <506DC1DC.4090002@colbyconsulting.com> I am waiting for a 'Nexus 10' - cheap / functional 10" tablet. I truly love the Nexus 7 but a 10" format seems more suited for internet browsing. OTOH the 7" format works really well for the kid's games as well as for travel videos and is very portable. I bought the Seagate Satellite which is a 500 gb disk / wifi. I use DVD Catalyst to convert movies to a playable format and store them on the Satellite. That can stream to several different devices (tablets) simultaneously. I spent $570 for two 7" tablets and the satellite and get awesome capabilities for much less than a single iPad. Entertain two kids on trips and they have their own tablets to play games as well. My son does Skype with Aunt Janice. Apparently the FCC told the cell companies that charging for tethering is illegal so I now have cell phone to tablet / laptop tethering. This stuff is finally converging into a usable whole. Widgets from all over playing nicely together. John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it On 10/4/2012 12:45 PM, Charlotte Foust wrote: > You're a closet buddhist! From john at winhaven.net Thu Oct 4 12:07:51 2012 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2012 12:07:51 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] OT: Looks funny, doesn' it? => Nokia Joins The iPhone 5 Bashing With This Clever Lumia 920 Video Ad In-Reply-To: <8A05F280-B671-4BF0-A6C7-C09F26D9A37B@phulse.com> References: <1349300124.443701408@f47.mail.ru> <93D10F008B998B4A83BCA855A33EEF372C86CB07@CINMBCNA01.e2k.ad.ge.com> <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B5342EF225@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com> <506CD173.23472.335C2FD4@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <018a01cda1d5$c30bd150$492373f0$@winhaven.net> <506D0135.8070309@colbyconsulting.com> <019901cda1e8$2f32dec0$8d989c40$@winhaven.net> <8A05F280-B671-4BF0-A6C7-C09F26D9A37B@phulse.com> Message-ID: <00cd01cda252$c9f2e850$5dd8b8f0$@winhaven.net> Hans, Actually, I almost bought an iPhone but the coverage of the exclusive cellular vendor did not work in this area. The touch UI was nice when it first arrived and I thought I should have firsthand experience with what was obviously a hot item. I couldn't afford to do that and not be able to use it so I got second hand experience. I recently bought my Samsung Galaxy IIIs because I had to replace my flip phone which got wet and quit working. I finally have some actually business use for a smart phone (Managed Services) so I could finally justify paying the cost of an Android phone, that can actually get coverage in my area, for other than "toy value". Otherwise I'd most likely still have a flip phone. Albeit not a Razor :-( My main issue with iStuff is being locked into one company for everything which, with you being an open source advocate, should appreciate. I don't really want to but I HAVE to support all of these gadgets. Recently, I was the only tech in the area that could fix a software problem on an iPad (they had everyone else first try because they thought "I'd be too expensive") So biased yes, biased based on today's quality. I'm still waiting for Windows 8 devices, hoping they'll be better than Android devices :-) -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Hans-Christian Andersen Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2012 3:25 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Looks funny, doesn' it? => Nokia Joins The iPhone 5 Bashing With This Clever Lumia 920 Video Ad I find it pretty funny how some people started out mocking the iPhone, saying it was a waste of money, over priced, not revolutionary. "Ack, my old flip Motorola phone could do the same." Then the iPad came around and it was the same. "Tablets... What a waste of money. No ones ever going to want one of those." Now it's different. You will all admit that iPhones and iPads were techological revolutions, except "now the competition has caught up, x y z flaw exists in Apples latest gizmo, Apple is about to die, all hail Samsung" something or the other. Just admit it: you were never going to buy anything from Apple, even if it were a cure for cancer. Just admit it and move on. Apple is still doing fine. People aren't standing in lines to get an iPhone for their elderly parents. People aren't furious that apple changed their connector, because its been the same connector since the original iPhone (5 years ago) and you cant claim that much consistency with many other competitors. I've heard the exact same claims here as I have on several other online forums today - almost word for word. You are not being original. You are being affected by a marketing campaign. So just go on with your lives. Enjoy your Galaxy S3s and Nexus 7s and iPhone 5s and welcome to the future. Best regards, Hans-Christian Andersen On 3 Oct 2012, at 21:24, "John Bartow" wrote: > I have to support all the new gadgets or I'd still use my Razor flip > phone > ;-) > > I have no investment in anything other than a few apps that I HAVE to > buy through Apple's site. Otherwise I only purchase things (music, > etc.) that aren't locked in any way - and that "ain't" from iTunes! > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby > Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2012 10:24 PM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Looks funny, doesn' it? => Nokia Joins The > iPhone > 5 Bashing With This Clever Lumia 920 Video Ad > >> Gee, I'm on my second iPhone and my second iPad. I love them both >> and > use them constantly. > > LOL, if I paid those bucks for the hardware and then more big bucks > for the ecosystem... I'd be using it all the time too. > > Just sayin... > > I have the incredibly inexpensive Nexus 7, which I also love and use > all the time, as do both my kids. I have the Droid X which I love and > use all the time, and I am looking at the Samsung S3 or Note 2. > > I admit I am not an iGuy but I just don't get what all those bucks > buys other than a nice income for Steve's widow. And an absolute lock > on my wallet of course. > > Just sayin... > > John W. Colby > Colby Consulting > > Reality is what refuses to go away > when you do not believe in it > > On 10/3/2012 10:47 PM, Doug Steele wrote: >>> I have an iPad and an older $200 Android tablet. I don't care for >>> the iPad, it's not as easy to use or as flexible. >> >> Gee, I'm on my second iPhone and my second iPad. I love them both >> and use them constantly. I'm really looking forward to the supposed >> mini iPad, as the only complaint I have about my iPad 3 is its size - >> I think > an 8" >> screen will be just as legible and easier to use. >> >> Love that Kool-Aid :) >> >> Doug >> >> On Wed, Oct 3, 2012 at 7:12 PM, John Bartow wrote: >> >>> A great thread! (for the DBA-Tech list :-) >>> >>> I have a new Samsung GSIII and I think its superior to the iPhone also. >>> >>> I have an iPad and an older $200 Android tablet. I don't care for >>> the iPad, it's not as easy to use or as flexible. >>> >>> I'm still thinking I'll switch to a Windows 8 phone and tablet when >>> they arrive. >>> >>> -- >>> AccessD mailing list >>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Thu Oct 4 12:22:02 2012 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2012 10:22:02 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] For those who want to learn more about "Big Data" In-Reply-To: <1349369401.435830975@f259.mail.ru> References: <1349369401.435830975@f259.mail.ru> Message-ID: <3E24705200074E6D8FC0D72BD07C23E5@creativesystemdesigns.com> Hi All The event is called "Big Data Debunked - Finding the Data Signals." It is being held on Thursday, October 4, 2012 at 4:30 p.m. ET at the Jerome L. Greene Performance Space in New York City. It will also be streamed live on ZDNet. http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/hiner/why-big-data-matters-the-experts-weig h-in/10803?tag=nl.e101&s_cid=e101 And for timezones: http://www.tbaytel.net/media/TIMEZONE_MAP.pdf Remember: 13:30 on the westcoast, 16:30 on the eastcoast and 23:30 in Saint Petersburg. Jim From accessd at shaw.ca Thu Oct 4 12:22:52 2012 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2012 10:22:52 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] OT: Meet, Play, Follow & Contribute: TypeScript - an open-source "Object-Oriented JavaScript" from MS.. In-Reply-To: <1349369401.435830975@f259.mail.ru> References: <1349369401.435830975@f259.mail.ru> Message-ID: <35EC7B814A7D4AC0B3B2B9C0BB1DE244@creativesystemdesigns.com> Hi Shamil: It is true that the handling of classes in JS is perhaps one of the ugliest efforts ever created and it seems that this new typescript language goes a long way to removing some of the gludge. I defintely like this, typescript. As long as it runs on all browsers and does not wreck too much legacy code it will be a big hit. Jim -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Salakhetdinov Shamil Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2012 9:50 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: [AccessD] OT: Meet, Play, Follow & Contribute: TypeScript - an open-source "Object-Oriented JavaScript" from MS.. Hi All -- FYI:?http://www.typescriptlang.org/Playground/? &?http://typescript.codeplex.com/ Source: ?http://techcrunch.com/2012/10/01/microsoft-previews-new-javascript-like-pro gramming-language-typescript/ Thank you. -- Shamil? -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Thu Oct 4 14:25:08 2012 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2012 15:25:08 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] OT: Looks funny, In-Reply-To: <200CB12F-94B2-4985-825D-FBCC73552296@holly.arvixe.com> References: <200CB12F-94B2-4985-825D-FBCC73552296@holly.arvixe.com> Message-ID: <506DE294.4040906@colbyconsulting.com> > And, yes I admit it. I will never buy anything that starts with an i, or from Apple. LOL, even an iCancerCure would only be within economic reach of the banker crowd so I am likely with ya on this one. John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it On 10/4/2012 11:19 AM, Robert Stewart wrote: > Hans, > > Uh, no, Apple did not innovate the iPad. Just go Google the Surface specifications. > After you read them, you will understand that the table top "tablet" that MS developed, > called Surface, was actually the original iPad/Android. Apple and others just made > them smaller. Now that the "originator" is getting into the game, we will see what happens. > Not that MS gets everything right and does everything good. > > All of the "gesture" specifications were spelled out for Apple and Android developers > a long time ago by those Surface specifications. So, the only "technical revolution" was > the shrinking of the size from a table top to a 10" design (or smaller). I wonder how many > of the Surface table top tablets are at Apple. Food for thought... > > And, yes I admit it. I will never buy anything that starts with an i, or from Apple. > > > From gustav at cactus.dk Fri Oct 5 02:42:16 2012 From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2012 09:42:16 +0200 Subject: [AccessD] OT: Meet, Play, Follow & Contribute: TypeScript - an open-source "Object-Oriented JavaScript" from MS.. Message-ID: Hi Shamil And here's the official intro by Anders Hejlsberg himself: http://channel9.msdn.com/posts/Anders-Hejlsberg-Introducing-TypeScript However, I love the top comment by Scott Koon. He has a point: I'll go on record as saying this is almost the dumbest idea ever. We already have a strongly typed language that can compile to idiomatic JavaScript. It's called C#. Or Java. Or Lisp. Or C++. I know MS is working on a better VM for JavaScript. I know they are working on making the JS tooling in Visual Studio better. Why are they waiting time with this language? Is Anders just bored at MS? /gustav >>> mcp2004 at mail.ru 04-10-12 18:50 >>> Hi All -- FYI:*http://www.typescriptlang.org/Playground/* &*http://typescript.codeplex.com/ Source: *http://techcrunch.com/2012/10/01/microsoft-previews-new-javascript-like-programming-language-typescript/ Thank you. -- Shamil* From mcp2004 at mail.ru Fri Oct 5 04:48:27 2012 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=) Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2012 13:48:27 +0400 Subject: [AccessD] =?utf-8?q?OT=3A_Meet=2C_Play=2C_Follow_=26_Contribute?= =?utf-8?q?=3A_TypeScript_-_an=09open-source_=22Object-Oriented_JavaScript?= =?utf-8?b?IiBmcm9tIE1TLi4=?= In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1349430507.670381116@f91.mail.ru> Hi Jim and Gustav -- I'm currently looking at this scripting language as a tool to learn JavaScript - get JavaScript's ready to use code snippets generated from TypeScript code snippets, which would be relatively easy for me to start developing as I'm rather fluent in C#... <<< Is Anders just bored at MS? >>> He is probably preparing a solid ground for a "LINQ-powered TypeScript" to get native JavaScript code generated from it? Thank you. -- Shamil Fri, 05 Oct 2012 09:42:16 +0200 ?? "Gustav Brock" : > > > > >Hi Shamil > > And here's the official intro by Anders Hejlsberg himself: > >http://channel9.msdn.com/posts/Anders-Hejlsberg-Introducing-TypeScript > > However, I love the top comment by Scott Koon. He has a point: > > > I'll go on record as saying this is almost the dumbest idea ever. We already have a strongly typed language that can compile to idiomatic JavaScript. It's called C#. Or Java. Or Lisp. Or C++. > > I know MS is working on a better VM for JavaScript. I know they are working on making the JS tooling in Visual Studio better. Why are they waiting time with this language? Is Anders just bored at MS? > > > /gustav > > > >>> mcp2004 at mail.ru 04-10-12 18:50 >>> > Hi All -- > > FYI:*http://www.typescriptlang.org/Playground/* &*http://typescript.codeplex.com/ > > Source: *http://techcrunch.com/2012/10/01/microsoft-previews-new-javascript-like-programming-language-typescript/ > > Thank you. > > -- Shamil* > > -- > AccessD mailing list >AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From accessd at shaw.ca Fri Oct 5 13:40:22 2012 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2012 11:40:22 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] OT: Meet, Play, Follow & Contribute: TypeScript - an open-source "Object-OrientedJavaScript" from MS.. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6C06F074293C46F1A25BBCE744DBC30B@creativesystemdesigns.com> Hi Gustav: Noting; that translators and interpreters of another language never produce as effective code as native development. When discussing websites there are two distinct areas of development; the presentation FE and the BE, intelligence and database management. When producing the FE for a website, being able to code directly in JS or being able to call upon highly-efficient JS libraries is superior. After all, the only language that a browser understands is JavaScript. When programming strictly in VS using ASP.Net the resultant code is a huge kludge. (I presume that all the other languages that produce " idiomatic JavaScript " create similar kludges) These assemblers are very effective ways of quickly hacking together a "functional" prototype design for viewing and discussing. OTOH, from experience, on any single webpage, a 1000 lines of generated code can be rendered down to something between 50 and 100 lines of clean code and much prettier as well. The code generated also has a pre-disposition to make a server call for every desktop browser page change, no matter how small, which is highly inefficient. This is of course is no concern if you have unlimited band-width and similar server resources or just working on your own network. One of the most frustrating things for your clients, is having to wait while each page change requires a call back to the server and another whole page refresh. If you do it right, your bandwidth or your client's desktop does not have to be large and your servers do not have to have massive resources...but this will require a carefully and most likely manually assembled or intervention of your FE and even your BE development. Further observation; can I assume Scott Koon, is most likely a desktop developer and probably is not a web designer? Jim -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: Friday, October 05, 2012 12:42 AM To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com Subject: [AccessD] OT: Meet, Play,Follow & Contribute: TypeScript - an open-source "Object-OrientedJavaScript" from MS.. Hi Shamil And here's the official intro by Anders Hejlsberg himself: http://channel9.msdn.com/posts/Anders-Hejlsberg-Introducing-TypeScript However, I love the top comment by Scott Koon. He has a point: I'll go on record as saying this is almost the dumbest idea ever. We already have a strongly typed language that can compile to idiomatic JavaScript. It's called C#. Or Java. Or Lisp. Or C++. I know MS is working on a better VM for JavaScript. I know they are working on making the JS tooling in Visual Studio better. Why are they waiting time with this language? Is Anders just bored at MS? /gustav >>> mcp2004 at mail.ru 04-10-12 18:50 >>> Hi All -- FYI:*http://www.typescriptlang.org/Playground/* &*http://typescript.codeplex.com/ Source: *http://techcrunch.com/2012/10/01/microsoft-previews-new-javascript-like-pro gramming-language-typescript/ Thank you. -- Shamil* -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Fri Oct 5 13:46:12 2012 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2012 11:46:12 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] OT: Meet, Play, Follow & Contribute: TypeScript - an open-source "Object-Oriented JavaScript" from MS.. In-Reply-To: <1349430507.670381116@f91.mail.ru> References: <1349430507.670381116@f91.mail.ru> Message-ID: <6E7DD275E292460BA7179F828731A45C@creativesystemdesigns.com> Shamil: You have the potential to become one of the ultimate, high end, rare-breed triple threats. :-) JavaScript FE, C# middle tier and a database/webserver BE expert. Jim -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Salakhetdinov Shamil Sent: Friday, October 05, 2012 2:48 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Meet, Play, Follow & Contribute: TypeScript - an open-source "Object-Oriented JavaScript" from MS.. Hi Jim and Gustav -- I'm currently looking at this scripting language as a tool to learn JavaScript - get JavaScript's ready to use code snippets generated from TypeScript code snippets, which would be relatively easy for me to start developing as I'm rather fluent in C#... <<< Is Anders just bored at MS? >>> He is probably preparing a solid ground for a "LINQ-powered TypeScript" to get native JavaScript code generated from it? Thank you. -- Shamil Fri, 05 Oct 2012 09:42:16 +0200 ?? "Gustav Brock" : > > > > >Hi Shamil > > And here's the official intro by Anders Hejlsberg himself: > >http://channel9.msdn.com/posts/Anders-Hejlsberg-Introducing-TypeScript > > However, I love the top comment by Scott Koon. He has a point: > > > I'll go on record as saying this is almost the dumbest idea ever. We already have a strongly typed language that can compile to idiomatic JavaScript. It's called C#. Or Java. Or Lisp. Or C++. > > I know MS is working on a better VM for JavaScript. I know they are working on making the JS tooling in Visual Studio better. Why are they waiting time with this language? Is Anders just bored at MS? > > > /gustav > > > >>> mcp2004 at mail.ru 04-10-12 18:50 >>> > Hi All -- > > FYI:*http://www.typescriptlang.org/Playground/* &*http://typescript.codeplex.com/ > > Source: *http://techcrunch.com/2012/10/01/microsoft-previews-new-javascript-like-pro gramming-language-typescript/ > > Thank you. > > -- Shamil* > > -- > AccessD mailing list >AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From mcp2004 at mail.ru Fri Oct 5 14:22:49 2012 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=) Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2012 23:22:49 +0400 Subject: [AccessD] =?utf-8?q?OT=3A_Meet=2C_Play=2C_Follow_=26_Contribute?= =?utf-8?q?=3A_TypeScript_-_an=09open-source_=22Object-Oriented_JavaScript?= =?utf-8?b?IiBmcm9tIE1TLi4=?= In-Reply-To: <6E7DD275E292460BA7179F828731A45C@creativesystemdesigns.com> References: <1349430507.670381116@f91.mail.ru> <6E7DD275E292460BA7179F828731A45C@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: <1349464969.561372207@f99.mail.ru> Thank you, Jim -- I suppose most of us here have that potential ?- the issue is to find time and money (read: generous customers ready to invest into "bleeding edge" advanced projects) to actualize that our potentials :) In Fact ASP.NET MVC 4 (and DNN 7.x) do have KnockOut.js and jQuery (and even jQuery Mobile?) incorporated so learning and using "low level JavaScript and AJAX" is not required AFAIU... <<< ... triple threats ... >>> In fact more than triple :) - I'm really planning to start developing native mobile apps, WinPhone first, Android and iPhone - second... We will see... Thank you. -- Shamil Fri, 5 Oct 2012 11:46:12 -0700 ?? "Jim Lawrence" : > > > > >Shamil: > > You have the potential to become one of the ultimate, high end, rare-breed > triple threats. :-) > > JavaScript FE, C# middle tier and a database/webserver BE expert. > > Jim > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Salakhetdinov > Shamil > Sent: Friday, October 05, 2012 2:48 AM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Meet, Play, Follow & Contribute: TypeScript - an > open-source "Object-Oriented JavaScript" from MS.. > > Hi Jim and Gustav -- > > I'm currently looking at this scripting language as a tool to learn > JavaScript - get JavaScript's ready to use code snippets generated from > TypeScript code snippets, which would be relatively easy for me to start > developing as I'm rather fluent in C#... > > <<< > Is Anders just bored at MS? > >>> > He is probably preparing a solid ground for a "LINQ-powered TypeScript" to > get native JavaScript code generated from it? > > Thank you. > > -- Shamil > > Fri, 05 Oct 2012 09:42:16 +0200 ?? "Gustav Brock" : > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Hi Shamil > > > > > And here's the official intro by Anders Hejlsberg himself: > > > >http://channel9.msdn.com/posts/Anders-Hejlsberg-Introducing-TypeScript > > > > > However, I love the top comment by Scott Koon. He has a point: > > > > > > > > I'll go on record as saying this is almost the dumbest idea ever. We already > have a strongly typed language that can compile to idiomatic JavaScript. > It's called C#. Or Java. Or Lisp. Or C++. > > > > > I know MS is working on a better VM for JavaScript. I know they are working > on making the JS tooling in Visual Studio better. Why are they waiting time > with this language? Is Anders just bored at MS? > > > > > > > > /gustav > > > > > > > >>> mcp2004 at mail.ru 04-10-12 18:50 >>> > > > Hi All -- > > > > > FYI:*http://www.typescriptlang.org/Playground/* > &*http://typescript.codeplex.com/ > > > > > Source: > *http://techcrunch.com/2012/10/01/microsoft-previews-new-javascript-like-pro > gramming-language-typescript/ > > > > > Thank you. > > > > > -- Shamil* > > > > > -- > > > AccessD mailing list > >AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list >AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- > AccessD mailing list >AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From fuller.artful at gmail.com Fri Oct 5 14:40:54 2012 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2012 15:40:54 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] OT: Meet, Play, Follow & Contribute: TypeScript - an open-source "Object-Oriented JavaScript" from MS.. In-Reply-To: <1349430507.670381116@f91.mail.ru> References: <1349430507.670381116@f91.mail.ru> Message-ID: An interesting idea, Shamil. But I'm not sure exactly what Linq would bring to the party that's not already provided by jQuery. (When I first heard of jQuery, I dismissed it as a dumb idea - I took its name too seriousl. Now I realize what a tremendously powerful library it is.) If you don't already have jQuery, download it at once, and while you're grabbing, get jQuery UI as well. And if mobile apps are important, get jQuery Mobile too. If you haven't already visited the Mozilla site, go here for a good tutorial in JS. https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/learn/javascript And while we're on the subject, I too have recently dived in. Maybe we should have a new list devoted to Javascript. I'm going to follow this up with a new message to be posted on the Hardware and Software list, with a small history of Javascript and the gradual movement away from server-side scripting to client-side scripting, and so on; this to provide an introduction to Javascript and why it's worth learning now. Arthur On Fri, Oct 5, 2012 at 5:48 AM, Salakhetdinov Shamil wrote: > Hi Jim and Gustav -- > > I'm currently looking at this scripting language as a tool to learn > JavaScript - get JavaScript's ready to use code snippets generated from > TypeScript code snippets, which would be relatively easy for me to start > developing as I'm rather fluent in C#... > > <<< > Is Anders just bored at MS? > >>> > He is probably preparing a solid ground for a "LINQ-powered TypeScript" to > get native JavaScript code generated from it? > > Thank you. > > -- Shamil > > From davidmcafee at gmail.com Fri Oct 5 15:19:00 2012 From: davidmcafee at gmail.com (David McAfee) Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2012 13:19:00 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] OT: Meet, Play, Follow & Contribute: TypeScript - an open-source "Object-Oriented JavaScript" from MS.. In-Reply-To: References: <1349430507.670381116@f91.mail.ru> Message-ID: I think he's way past that Arthur. He mentioned using Knockout.js and a few others. I think a Javascript/HTML5 list would be a good idea. :) David On Fri, Oct 5, 2012 at 12:40 PM, Arthur Fuller wrote: > An interesting idea, Shamil. But I'm not sure exactly what Linq would bring > to the party that's not already provided by jQuery. (When I first heard of > jQuery, I dismissed it as a dumb idea - I took its name too seriousl. Now I > realize what a tremendously powerful library it is.) > > If you don't already have jQuery, download it at once, and while you're > grabbing, get jQuery UI as well. And if mobile apps are important, get > jQuery Mobile too. > > If you haven't already visited the Mozilla site, go here for a good > tutorial in JS. > https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/learn/javascript > > And while we're on the subject, I too have recently dived in. Maybe we > should have a new list devoted to Javascript. > > I'm going to follow this up with a new message to be posted on the Hardware > and Software list, with a small history of Javascript and the gradual > movement away from server-side scripting to client-side scripting, and so > on; this to provide an introduction to Javascript and why it's worth > learning now. > > Arthur > > On Fri, Oct 5, 2012 at 5:48 AM, Salakhetdinov Shamil >wrote: > > > Hi Jim and Gustav -- > > > > I'm currently looking at this scripting language as a tool to learn > > JavaScript - get JavaScript's ready to use code snippets generated from > > TypeScript code snippets, which would be relatively easy for me to start > > developing as I'm rather fluent in C#... > > > > <<< > > Is Anders just bored at MS? > > >>> > > He is probably preparing a solid ground for a "LINQ-powered TypeScript" > to > > get native JavaScript code generated from it? > > > > Thank you. > > > > -- Shamil > > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From mcp2004 at mail.ru Fri Oct 5 15:50:40 2012 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=) Date: Sat, 06 Oct 2012 00:50:40 +0400 Subject: [AccessD] =?utf-8?q?OT=3A_Meet=2C_Play=2C_Follow_=26_Contribute?= =?utf-8?q?=3A_TypeScript_-_an_open-source_=22Object-Oriented_JavaScript?= =?utf-8?b?IiBmcm9tIE1TLi4=?= In-Reply-To: References: <1349430507.670381116@f91.mail.ru> Message-ID: <1349470240.167346272@f49.mail.ru> Hi Arthur -- Just guessing: "LINQ-Powered TypeScript/JavaScript" could bring high level data manipulation operations on HMTL FE level - high level data manipulation operations transparently (and efficiently) translated into AJAX calls. The latter AJAX calls would communicate/transfer translated on client side LINQ expressions to the server side where they will be processed and results returned back to the client. Something like that. It could be a wrong idea as well. But?AFAIU jQuery is more for DOM manipulations than data processing... <<< If you don't already have jQuery, download it at once,... >>> I have everything, Arthur, I have even paid for PluralSight online courses - but I have not enough time ?for learning new technologies - ?I have to work for money...? <<< Maybe we?should have a new list devoted to Javascript. >>> There exists JSMentors list, which I have got subscribed and lurking sometimes - it's very good...? <<< I'm going to follow this up with a new message to be posted on the Hardware and Software list... >>> Do you mean dba-Tech list? - I will be watching for your postings on JavaScript... Thank you. -- Shamil? Fri, 5 Oct 2012 15:40:54 -0400 ?? Arthur Fuller : > > > > >An interesting idea, Shamil. But I'm not sure exactly what Linq would bring > to the party that's not already provided by jQuery. (When I first heard of > jQuery, I dismissed it as a dumb idea - I took its name too seriousl. Now I > realize what a tremendously powerful library it is.) > > If you don't already have jQuery, download it at once, and while you're > grabbing, get jQuery UI as well. And if mobile apps are important, get > jQuery Mobile too. > > If you haven't already visited the Mozilla site, go here for a good > tutorial in JS. >https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/learn/javascript > > And while we're on the subject, I too have recently dived in. Maybe we > should have a new list devoted to Javascript. > > I'm going to follow this up with a new message to be posted on the Hardware > and Software list, with a small history of Javascript and the gradual > movement away from server-side scripting to client-side scripting, and so > on; this to provide an introduction to Javascript and why it's worth > learning now. > > Arthur > > On Fri, Oct 5, 2012 at 5:48 AM, Salakhetdinov Shamil wrote: > > > Hi Jim and Gustav -- > > > > I'm currently looking at this scripting language as a tool to learn > > JavaScript - get JavaScript's ready to use code snippets generated from > > TypeScript code snippets, which would be relatively easy for me to start > > developing as I'm rather fluent in C#... > > > > <<< > > Is Anders just bored at MS? > > >>> > > He is probably preparing a solid ground for a "LINQ-powered TypeScript" to > > get native JavaScript code generated from it? > > > > Thank you. > > > > -- Shamil > > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list >AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Sat Oct 6 10:21:44 2012 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Sat, 06 Oct 2012 11:21:44 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] C# winforms vs WPF Message-ID: <50704C88.2030203@colbyconsulting.com> Guys, I do a fair amount of C# programming, much of which is automating SQL Server from C#. I do almost no "DB Front End" kind of stuff, though I want to learn that. I have never taken the time to learn the Windows form / control stuff and today I went researching and discovered that apparently System.Windows.forms is dead technology. Something I read said that the programming team at MS was dismantled and WPF is not the latest thing. Obviously I don't know either one. For my purposes learning how to use the individual controls has worked pretty well, I have programmed wrapper classes, passed controls into the classes, sunk control events, raised events etc. I do not claim that is a superior paradigm, just 'what I know' from doing it that way in the Access / VBA environment. My question, addressed to any folks who do heavy duty windows form interface programming, is should I just keep on doing what I do or try to figure out how to use WPF. Just as an example, so that you can understand what I am looking to do, I have an existing class which takes a listview control, a progress bar, a 'clear status' button and a 'print' button and I pass all of these objects in to a class which forms a status system for my projects. I wrap all of the delegate functionality for writing back up to the controls, sinking the events of the buttons, setting up and using the progress bar and so forth. I then just instantiate one of the clsStatus objects in a form, place the controls on the form, pass the controls in to the form in the init and then call methods of this class to write status information to the list, tick the progress bar, clear the status list and so forth. Notice that none of this is 'data bound', and is used by my application to tell me (the operator) what the application is doing in real time. I hired a programmer to work with me (now moved on to another job), and I was the architect so to speak but didn't do very much of the bit twiddling of making this stuff happen. I do understand the C# code but I am having difficulty (for example) getting a handle on how to use the split container vs the splitter, the panel, dropping controls onto these objects, docking them and getting them to be where I want them to be at run time, mostly just because he figured this stuff out. He showed me (last year) how to do this stuff but... So here I am trying to learn the form / control stuff and I am reading that it is dead technology. But can WPF give me this level of object control? Do I need this level of object control? Has MS bypassed me and provided a framework that does the kind of stuff that I am doing programmatically? I obviously need some books to learn what I need, but I am not clear on what I need to learn. Any thoughts from interface programmers more experienced than I am? -- John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Sat Oct 6 10:49:57 2012 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Sat, 06 Oct 2012 11:49:57 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Data dictionary to Report Message-ID: <50705325.2010701@colbyconsulting.com> I have a database, 225 million rows, 240 columns. Some of the fields apparently map to another database / marketing 'standard' somewhere in the world. My client has provided a spreadsheet which tells me that field ABC of my table 'matches' field XYZ of this other database, sometimes with a 'where value = xyz). He wants data element counts, i.e. what are the codes and counts of those codes in our table / fields matching this other database. How many records (the count) in our database has data in the specified field or matching the Where(). There are a 225 of these counts in the spreadsheet he provided to me. He wants to be able to provide me a spreadsheet like this and match it against this db but also match it against other databases that we have, one spreadsheet for each of our databases, defining field matches. Obviously this is simply a groupby / count on each specified field, or in some cases a count / where(value = xyz) . I have to present the data back to him somehow. My 'programmer' response is to design an application where I can import the spreadsheet he provides into a new table in each database that he gives me a spreadsheet for. He tells me the field name in our db that he wants the counts for so my application would then generate the SQL statement to do the SELECT / Groupby / count, execute the count, get the results back into C#, create a sheet in a workbook, and dump the data for each field into a sheet of a spreadsheet. Alternatively (and more realistically) denormalize the count into a comma delimited list and write the count back into the SQL Server table I just created, then paste the result back into the original spreadsheet he provided in a new column, or generate a new spreadsheet from the table. I don't want to launch into developing this application if SQL Server can do this for me natively. Does SQL Server have this functionality native? Can I just somehow generate a report of this? Can I push a denormalized string back to an excel spreadsheet that the client provided? It seems unlikely to me. -- John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Sat Oct 6 22:21:35 2012 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Sat, 06 Oct 2012 23:21:35 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] I love automation! Message-ID: <5070F53F.8070806@colbyconsulting.com> http://www.webpronews.com/piano-playing-robot-has-19-fingers-2012-10?utm_source=Technology_sidebar -- John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au Sun Oct 7 17:35:25 2012 From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins) Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2012 22:35:25 +0000 Subject: [AccessD] Data dictionary to Report In-Reply-To: <50705325.2010701@colbyconsulting.com> References: <50705325.2010701@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B5342FF514@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com> Hi John, This maybe worth a look. I know Bill Benson has been playing around with this and maybe able to give you some 'hands on' type feedback. <> The guy who built it seems pretty switched on and responsive to support issues as well. Cheers Darryl. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: Sunday, 7 October 2012 1:50 AM To: VBA; Access Developers discussion and problem solving; Sqlserver-Dba Subject: [AccessD] Data dictionary to Report I have a database, 225 million rows, 240 columns. Some of the fields apparently map to another database / marketing 'standard' somewhere in the world. My client has provided a spreadsheet which tells me that field ABC of my table 'matches' field XYZ of this other database, sometimes with a 'where value = xyz). He wants data element counts, i.e. what are the codes and counts of those codes in our table / fields matching this other database. How many records (the count) in our database has data in the specified field or matching the Where(). There are a 225 of these counts in the spreadsheet he provided to me. He wants to be able to provide me a spreadsheet like this and match it against this db but also match it against other databases that we have, one spreadsheet for each of our databases, defining field matches. Obviously this is simply a groupby / count on each specified field, or in some cases a count / where(value = xyz) . I have to present the data back to him somehow. My 'programmer' response is to design an application where I can import the spreadsheet he provides into a new table in each database that he gives me a spreadsheet for. He tells me the field name in our db that he wants the counts for so my application would then generate the SQL statement to do the SELECT / Groupby / count, execute the count, get the results back into C#, create a sheet in a workbook, and dump the data for each field into a sheet of a spreadsheet. Alternatively (and more realistically) denormalize the count into a comma delimited list and write the count back into the SQL Server table I just created, then paste the result back into the original spreadsheet he provided in a new column, or generate a new spreadsheet from the table. I don't want to launch into developing this application if SQL Server can do this for me natively. Does SQL Server have this functionality native? Can I just somehow generate a report of this? Can I push a denormalized string back to an excel spreadsheet that the client provided? It seems unlikely to me. -- John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Mon Oct 8 05:37:07 2012 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Mon, 08 Oct 2012 06:37:07 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] How does SQL Server do updates Message-ID: <5072ACD3.5060201@colbyconsulting.com> Every month I perform a process where name / address records are extracted from SQL Server, updated by a third party app and then only changed data is updated back into SQL Server. I take changed addresses and write them to an 'old address' table and then literally update the existing record with the changes. The address table has an integer PK (which never changes) which came from and is related to another table 1 to 1, and that PK is used by itself in a clustered index. There are other indexes for FName, LName Addr ect, my hash fields and so forth. So, I pull the updated address info into a custom SQL Server DB created on-the-fly for this purpose, and then only the changes are updated back into the live database. The PK and Name fields never change but the address fields do change and other fields which capture information about the address changes also change. The hash fields are updated (in the temp db) and written back into live etc. I am trying to visualize what goes on behind the scenes in SQL Server in the live database. Most of the data fields are varchar(), the hash fields are varbinary(200). I assume that the data is moved around inside of the dbf file, i.e. moved out to new space on the end if it can no longer fit in the originally allocated space. IOW of the town changed from 'Yuma' to 'Los Angeles', something has to give. So as things move around, does SQL Server actually go back and reuse the pieces and parts of empty space inside of the file? Or does it just keep expanding the file and doing everything out at the end of the file. So -- John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it From fuller.artful at gmail.com Mon Oct 8 07:42:11 2012 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2012 08:42:11 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Image Lists for TreeView and List controls Message-ID: Does anyone know where to obtain some ImageLists for use with the treeview control? I'm not after anything particularly fancy. Even the standard "folder" look with closed and open folders would do for a start. Even better would be an ImageList with icons for Customer, Order and Product. But ideally I could find a few such ImageLists and assemble my own from their icons. I've tried a few Google searches and so far come up empty. Any suggestions, people? TIA, Arthur The most likely way for the world to be destroyed, most experts agree, is by accident. That's where we come in; we're computer professionals. We cause accidents. -Nathaniel Borenstein From fuller.artful at gmail.com Mon Oct 8 08:44:44 2012 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2012 09:44:44 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Four-digit year Message-ID: I'm using Access 2007 and I can't find the setting that defaults all databases to use 4-digit years. Can anyone tell me where it is? I've already looked in the Access Options but didn't see it there. TIA Arthur From jimdettman at verizon.net Mon Oct 8 09:43:28 2012 From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman) Date: Mon, 08 Oct 2012 10:43:28 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] How does SQL Server do updates In-Reply-To: <5072ACD3.5060201@colbyconsulting.com> References: <5072ACD3.5060201@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: John, <> SQL Server like many other RDBMS manages things around a fixed page size, with a page header, some records, free space, etc. Tons of info on the net on this. Here's one: http://www.sqlskills.com/BLOGS/PAUL/post/Inside-the-Storage-Engine-Anatomy-o f-a-page.aspx << So as things move around, does SQL Server actually go back and reuse the pieces and parts of empty space inside of the file? Or does it just keep expanding the file and doing everything out at the end of the file. >> Reuses space on a page, but there's no mechanisms in place to manage pages. It's optimized for speed, so if it needs a new page, it goes out and grabs a new one rather then trying to find an existing page with space. That's a short explanation, but the jist of it (SQL server actually tracks extents, which are made up of pages and not actual pages). Jim. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: Monday, October 08, 2012 06:37 AM To: Sqlserver-Dba; Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: [AccessD] How does SQL Server do updates Every month I perform a process where name / address records are extracted from SQL Server, updated by a third party app and then only changed data is updated back into SQL Server. I take changed addresses and write them to an 'old address' table and then literally update the existing record with the changes. The address table has an integer PK (which never changes) which came from and is related to another table 1 to 1, and that PK is used by itself in a clustered index. There are other indexes for FName, LName Addr ect, my hash fields and so forth. So, I pull the updated address info into a custom SQL Server DB created on-the-fly for this purpose, and then only the changes are updated back into the live database. The PK and Name fields never change but the address fields do change and other fields which capture information about the address changes also change. The hash fields are updated (in the temp db) and written back into live etc. I am trying to visualize what goes on behind the scenes in SQL Server in the live database. Most of the data fields are varchar(), the hash fields are varbinary(200). I assume that the data is moved around inside of the dbf file, i.e. moved out to new space on the end if it can no longer fit in the originally allocated space. IOW of the town changed from 'Yuma' to 'Los Angeles', something has to give. So as things move around, does SQL Server actually go back and reuse the pieces and parts of empty space inside of the file? Or does it just keep expanding the file and doing everything out at the end of the file. So -- John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Mon Oct 8 10:18:13 2012 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Mon, 08 Oct 2012 11:18:13 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] How does SQL Server do updates In-Reply-To: References: <5072ACD3.5060201@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <5072EEB5.6070306@colbyconsulting.com> Thanks for that Jim. John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it On 10/8/2012 10:43 AM, Jim Dettman wrote: > John, > > < the live database. Most of > the data fields are varchar(), the hash fields are varbinary(200). I assume > that the data is moved > around inside of the dbf file, i.e. moved out to new space on the end if it > can no longer fit in the > originally allocated space. IOW of the town changed from 'Yuma' to 'Los > Angeles', something has to > give.>> > > SQL Server like many other RDBMS manages things around a fixed page size, > with a page header, some records, free space, etc. > > Tons of info on the net on this. Here's one: > > http://www.sqlskills.com/BLOGS/PAUL/post/Inside-the-Storage-Engine-Anatomy-o > f-a-page.aspx > > << > So as things move around, does SQL Server actually go back and reuse the > pieces and parts of empty > space inside of the file? Or does it just keep expanding the file and doing > everything out at the > end of the file. >>> > > Reuses space on a page, but there's no mechanisms in place to manage pages. > It's optimized for speed, so if it needs a new page, it goes out and grabs a > new one rather then trying to find an existing page with space. That's a > short explanation, but the jist of it (SQL server actually tracks extents, > which are made up of pages and not actual pages). > > Jim. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby > Sent: Monday, October 08, 2012 06:37 AM > To: Sqlserver-Dba; Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: [AccessD] How does SQL Server do updates > > Every month I perform a process where name / address records are extracted > from SQL Server, updated > by a third party app and then only changed data is updated back into SQL > Server. I take changed > addresses and write them to an 'old address' table and then literally update > the existing record > with the changes. > > The address table has an integer PK (which never changes) which came from > and is related to another > table 1 to 1, and that PK is used by itself in a clustered index. There are > other indexes for > FName, LName Addr ect, my hash fields and so forth. > > So, I pull the updated address info into a custom SQL Server DB created > on-the-fly for this purpose, > and then only the changes are updated back into the live database. > > The PK and Name fields never change but the address fields do change and > other fields which capture > information about the address changes also change. The hash fields are > updated (in the temp db) and > written back into live etc. > > I am trying to visualize what goes on behind the scenes in SQL Server in the > live database. Most of > the data fields are varchar(), the hash fields are varbinary(200). I assume > that the data is moved > around inside of the dbf file, i.e. moved out to new space on the end if it > can no longer fit in the > originally allocated space. IOW of the town changed from 'Yuma' to 'Los > Angeles', something has to > give. > > So as things move around, does SQL Server actually go back and reuse the > pieces and parts of empty > space inside of the file? Or does it just keep expanding the file and doing > everything out at the > end of the file. > > > So > From fuller.artful at gmail.com Mon Oct 8 10:36:14 2012 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2012 11:36:14 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] How does SQL Server do updates In-Reply-To: <5072EEB5.6070306@colbyconsulting.com> References: <5072ACD3.5060201@colbyconsulting.com> <5072EEB5.6070306@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: John, SQL Server doesn't ever physically update a row, but instead does an insert and a delete. This can be verified by creating a trigger For Update, inside which you'll find the tables #inserted and #deleted. In #inserted you'll find some of the original row's columns, with new values for the columns you changed. Then SQL deletes the row(s) in #deleted, and inserts the "replacement" rows in #inserted. HTH, Arthur From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Mon Oct 8 11:04:51 2012 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Mon, 08 Oct 2012 12:04:51 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] How does SQL Server do updates In-Reply-To: References: <5072ACD3.5060201@colbyconsulting.com> <5072EEB5.6070306@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <5072F9A3.4000309@colbyconsulting.com> Ahhh... And that makes sense. I have been checking index fragmentation after doing updates and it pretty much mangles some of the indexes. Others not too bad. John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it On 10/8/2012 11:36 AM, Arthur Fuller wrote: > John, > > SQL Server doesn't ever physically update a row, but instead does an insert > and a delete. This can be verified by creating a trigger For Update, inside > which you'll find the tables #inserted and #deleted. In #inserted you'll > find some of the original row's columns, with new values for the columns > you changed. Then SQL deletes the row(s) in #deleted, and inserts the > "replacement" rows in #inserted. > > HTH, > Arthur > From fhtapia at gmail.com Mon Oct 8 13:01:27 2012 From: fhtapia at gmail.com (Francisco Tapia) Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2012 11:01:27 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] How does SQL Server do updates In-Reply-To: References: <5072ACD3.5060201@colbyconsulting.com> <5072EEB5.6070306@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: that's been my experience as well... -Francisco -------------------------- You should follow me on twitter here Blogs: SqlThis! | XCodeThis! On Mon, Oct 8, 2012 at 8:36 AM, Arthur Fuller wrote: > John, > > SQL Server doesn't ever physically update a row, but instead does an insert > and a delete. This can be verified by creating a trigger For Update, inside > which you'll find the tables #inserted and #deleted. In #inserted you'll > find some of the original row's columns, with new values for the columns > you changed. Then SQL deletes the row(s) in #deleted, and inserts the > "replacement" rows in #inserted. > > HTH, > Arthur > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From mcp2004 at mail.ru Mon Oct 8 15:59:35 2012 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=) Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2012 00:59:35 +0400 Subject: [AccessD] =?utf-8?q?How_does_SQL_Server_do_updates?= In-Reply-To: References: <5072ACD3.5060201@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <1349729975.570156783@f241.mail.ru> I suppose it depends do you update clustered index field(s)' value(s) or not: - if not then MS SQL Server should first try to update row/record in place by reallocating free space usually existing on every page, if not - then split the page... - if clustered index field is updated then record should be moved to the page to be in order with clustered index, and again MS SQL server should first try to insert record by using free space on target page, if not - then split the page... "deleted" and "inserted" are logical/virtual tables... Thank you. -- Shamil Mon, 8 Oct 2012 11:01:27 -0700 ?? Francisco Tapia : > > > > >that's been my experience as well... > > -Francisco > -------------------------- > You should follow me on twitter here > Blogs: SqlThis! | XCodeThis! > > > > > > > On Mon, Oct 8, 2012 at 8:36 AM, Arthur Fuller wrote: > > > John, > > > > SQL Server doesn't ever physically update a row, but instead does an insert > > and a delete. This can be verified by creating a trigger For Update, inside > > which you'll find the tables #inserted and #deleted. In #inserted you'll > > find some of the original row's columns, with new values for the columns > > you changed. Then SQL deletes the row(s) in #deleted, and inserts the > > "replacement" rows in #inserted. > > > > HTH, > > Arthur > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- > AccessD mailing list >AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Mon Oct 8 16:22:25 2012 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2012 07:22:25 +1000 Subject: [AccessD] How does SQL Server do updates In-Reply-To: References: <5072ACD3.5060201@colbyconsulting.com>, Message-ID: <50734411.31926.4C8BCCC2@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Darn it, I've just posted the same sort of info and the same link on rhe "correct" list. Hey JC, please stop cross-posting. I filter my mail into topic folders with a different folder for each list and having the same conversation in different places is a PITA, -- Stuart On 8 Oct 2012 at 10:43, Jim Dettman wrote: > John, > > < the live database. Most of > the data fields are varchar(), the hash fields are varbinary(200). I assume > that the data is moved > around inside of the dbf file, i.e. moved out to new space on the end if it > can no longer fit in the > originally allocated space. IOW of the town changed from 'Yuma' to 'Los > Angeles', something has to > give.>> > > SQL Server like many other RDBMS manages things around a fixed page size, > with a page header, some records, free space, etc. > > Tons of info on the net on this. Here's one: > > http://www.sqlskills.com/BLOGS/PAUL/post/Inside-the-Storage-Engine-Anatomy-o > f-a-page.aspx > > << > So as things move around, does SQL Server actually go back and reuse the > pieces and parts of empty > space inside of the file? Or does it just keep expanding the file and doing > everything out at the > end of the file. > >> > > Reuses space on a page, but there's no mechanisms in place to manage pages. > It's optimized for speed, so if it needs a new page, it goes out and grabs a > new one rather then trying to find an existing page with space. That's a > short explanation, but the jist of it (SQL server actually tracks extents, > which are made up of pages and not actual pages). > > Jim. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby > Sent: Monday, October 08, 2012 06:37 AM > To: Sqlserver-Dba; Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: [AccessD] How does SQL Server do updates > > Every month I perform a process where name / address records are extracted > from SQL Server, updated > by a third party app and then only changed data is updated back into SQL > Server. I take changed > addresses and write them to an 'old address' table and then literally update > the existing record > with the changes. > > The address table has an integer PK (which never changes) which came from > and is related to another > table 1 to 1, and that PK is used by itself in a clustered index. There are > other indexes for > FName, LName Addr ect, my hash fields and so forth. > > So, I pull the updated address info into a custom SQL Server DB created > on-the-fly for this purpose, > and then only the changes are updated back into the live database. > > The PK and Name fields never change but the address fields do change and > other fields which capture > information about the address changes also change. The hash fields are > updated (in the temp db) and > written back into live etc. > > I am trying to visualize what goes on behind the scenes in SQL Server in the > live database. Most of > the data fields are varchar(), the hash fields are varbinary(200). I assume > that the data is moved > around inside of the dbf file, i.e. moved out to new space on the end if it > can no longer fit in the > originally allocated space. IOW of the town changed from 'Yuma' to 'Los > Angeles', something has to > give. > > So as things move around, does SQL Server actually go back and reuse the > pieces and parts of empty > space inside of the file? Or does it just keep expanding the file and doing > everything out at the > end of the file. > > > So > > -- > John W. Colby > Colby Consulting > > Reality is what refuses to go away > when you do not believe in it > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From BradM at blackforestltd.com Mon Oct 8 16:22:14 2012 From: BradM at blackforestltd.com (Brad Marks) Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2012 16:22:14 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Need to Capture Report Name Inside of "No Data" Event References: <5072ACD3.5060201@colbyconsulting.com> <1349729975.570156783@f241.mail.ru> Message-ID: All, Is it possible to capture the name of a report in the report's "No Data" event? Thanks, Brad From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Mon Oct 8 16:29:44 2012 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2012 07:29:44 +1000 Subject: [AccessD] Need to Capture Report Name Inside of "No Data" Event In-Reply-To: References: , Message-ID: <507345C8.26008.4C927D2D@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Private Sub Report_NoData(Cancel As Integer) MsgBox Me.Name & " has no data" Cancel = True End Sub -- Stuart On 8 Oct 2012 at 16:22, Brad Marks wrote: > All, > > Is it possible to capture the name of a report in the report's "No Data" event? > > Thanks, > Brad > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From ssharkins at gmail.com Mon Oct 8 16:32:58 2012 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2012 17:32:58 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Need to Capture Report Name Inside of "No Data" Event References: <5072ACD3.5060201@colbyconsulting.com><1349729975.570156783@f241.mail.ru> Message-ID: Me.Name Susan H. > All, > > Is it possible to capture the name of a report in the report's "No Data" > event? > > Thanks, > Brad > From BradM at blackforestltd.com Mon Oct 8 16:35:00 2012 From: BradM at blackforestltd.com (Brad Marks) Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2012 16:35:00 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Need to Capture Report Name Inside of "No Data" Event References: <5072ACD3.5060201@colbyconsulting.com><1349729975.570156783@f241.mail.ru> Message-ID: Stuart and Susan, Thanks, I appreciate the help. Brad ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins Sent: Monday, October 08, 2012 4:33 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Need to Capture Report Name Inside of "No Data" Event Me.Name Susan H. > All, > > Is it possible to capture the name of a report in the report's "No Data" > event? > > Thanks, > Brad > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. From marksimms at verizon.net Mon Oct 8 19:26:00 2012 From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms) Date: Mon, 08 Oct 2012 20:26:00 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] How does SQL Server do updates In-Reply-To: References: <5072ACD3.5060201@colbyconsulting.com> <5072EEB5.6070306@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <000001cda5b4$a8e1d080$faa57180$@net> One question: WHY ? > SQL Server doesn't ever physically update a row, but instead does an > insert and a delete. This can be verified by creating a trigger For Update, > inside which you'll find the tables #inserted and #deleted. In #inserted > you'll find some of the original row's columns, with new values for the > columns you changed. Then SQL deletes the row(s) in #deleted, and inserts the > "replacement" rows in #inserted. From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Mon Oct 8 20:03:49 2012 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2012 11:03:49 +1000 Subject: [AccessD] How does SQL Server do updates In-Reply-To: <000001cda5b4$a8e1d080$faa57180$@net> References: <5072ACD3.5060201@colbyconsulting.com>, , <000001cda5b4$a8e1d080$faa57180$@net> Message-ID: <507377F5.5059.4D567D02@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> A couple of things that come to mind: 1. Transactions and Rollbacks. 2. It's possibly quicker to create a new page with the new record rather than doing multiple inserts, some of which may change the position of subsequent columns on the existing page. -- Stuart On 8 Oct 2012 at 20:26, Mark Simms wrote: > One question: WHY ? > > > SQL Server doesn't ever physically update a row, but instead does an > > insert and a delete. This can be verified by creating a trigger For > Update, > > inside which you'll find the tables #inserted and #deleted. In #inserted > > you'll find some of the original row's columns, with new values for the > > columns you changed. Then SQL deletes the row(s) in #deleted, and inserts > the > > "replacement" rows in #inserted. > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Mon Oct 8 21:16:52 2012 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Mon, 08 Oct 2012 22:16:52 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] How does SQL Server do updates In-Reply-To: <50734411.31926.4C8BCCC2@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: <5072ACD3.5060201@colbyconsulting.com>, <50734411.31926.4C8BCCC2@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <50738914.1020203@colbyconsulting.com> LOL, sorry. John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it On 10/8/2012 5:22 PM, Stuart McLachlan wrote: > Darn it, > > I've just posted the same sort of info and the same link on rhe "correct" list. > > Hey JC, please stop cross-posting. I filter my mail into topic folders with a different folder for > each list and having the same conversation in different places is a PITA, > From jimdettman at verizon.net Tue Oct 9 07:11:29 2012 From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman) Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2012 08:11:29 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] How does SQL Server do updates In-Reply-To: <000001cda5b4$a8e1d080$faa57180$@net> References: <5072ACD3.5060201@colbyconsulting.com> <5072EEB5.6070306@colbyconsulting.com> <000001cda5b4$a8e1d080$faa57180$@net> Message-ID: I believe this is incorrect. SQL Server only needs to move a record if it becomes larger, or if a field that is changed is part of a clustered index (in that case, the record will most likely be moved to a new page). I can't imagine any RDBMS today would take the inefficient route of updating a record by always deleting the original and then inserting it, even within the same page. It may appear that way, but I doubt that's what actually happens. Inserting a record for an RDBMS is always an expensive operation. Jim. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Simms Sent: Monday, October 08, 2012 08:26 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] How does SQL Server do updates One question: WHY ? > SQL Server doesn't ever physically update a row, but instead does an > insert and a delete. This can be verified by creating a trigger For Update, > inside which you'll find the tables #inserted and #deleted. In #inserted > you'll find some of the original row's columns, with new values for the > columns you changed. Then SQL deletes the row(s) in #deleted, and inserts the > "replacement" rows in #inserted. -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Tue Oct 9 12:13:23 2012 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2012 10:13:23 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] How does SQL Server do updates In-Reply-To: References: <5072ACD3.5060201@colbyconsulting.com> <5072EEB5.6070306@colbyconsulting.com><000001cda5b4$a8e1d080$faa57180$@net> Message-ID: <314736AE687E4E549EFF7B384C37BEDF@creativesystemdesigns.com> And that is why most big active databases can run roll backs and now even flash backs, where a database can be rolled back to a certain position in time...even sometimes days, depending on how the setup was done. If the changes, deletions and additions were not just being added to the database; these roll backs could not take place. It is always fastest to just add to the DB and worry about the cleanup later. Aside: Warehouse type databases work much slower but then there are no expectations of performance or changes. Jim PS That is why the reduced map databases are so efficient and fast. They just add records and queue cleanup and processing for later when the DB is not under load and/or just distribute the burden to other machines. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2012 5:11 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] How does SQL Server do updates I believe this is incorrect. SQL Server only needs to move a record if it becomes larger, or if a field that is changed is part of a clustered index (in that case, the record will most likely be moved to a new page). I can't imagine any RDBMS today would take the inefficient route of updating a record by always deleting the original and then inserting it, even within the same page. It may appear that way, but I doubt that's what actually happens. Inserting a record for an RDBMS is always an expensive operation. Jim. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Simms Sent: Monday, October 08, 2012 08:26 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] How does SQL Server do updates One question: WHY ? > SQL Server doesn't ever physically update a row, but instead does an > insert and a delete. This can be verified by creating a trigger For Update, > inside which you'll find the tables #inserted and #deleted. In #inserted > you'll find some of the original row's columns, with new values for the > columns you changed. Then SQL deletes the row(s) in #deleted, and inserts the > "replacement" rows in #inserted. -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Tue Oct 9 16:05:26 2012 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2012 17:05:26 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] How does SQL Server do updates In-Reply-To: <314736AE687E4E549EFF7B384C37BEDF@creativesystemdesigns.com> References: <5072ACD3.5060201@colbyconsulting.com> <5072EEB5.6070306@colbyconsulting.com> <000001cda5b4$a8e1d080$faa57180$@net> <314736AE687E4E549EFF7B384C37BEDF@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: Precisely my point, Jim. In-situ updates by definition destroy data and prevent rollbacks; hence the delete-then-insert scenario, without which a rollback would be impossible. Thus, UPDATE is a glorified term for DELETE then INSERT. No other way to make it all work. Nuff said,,, or perhaps for the sake of performance you would prefer to sacrifice RollBack. A. From ab-mi at post3.tele.dk Tue Oct 9 17:12:41 2012 From: ab-mi at post3.tele.dk (Asger Blond) Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2012 00:12:41 +0200 Subject: [AccessD] How does SQL Server do updates In-Reply-To: References: <5072ACD3.5060201@colbyconsulting.com><5072EEB5.6070306@colbyconsulting.com><000001cda5b4$a8e1d080$faa57180$@net><314736AE687E4E549EFF7B384C37BEDF@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: <5AA612CCB3C6451F976C7AC69DBBEF83@abpc> Arthur, You need to distinguish what's going on in the transaction log and on the data pages. The transaction log holds both the original and the changed records to enable a rollback, but that doesn't mean that the change on the data pages can't be in-situ. In fact I think it is: a delete-insert operation on the data pages seems ineffective to me. Asger -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Arthur Fuller Sendt: 9. oktober 2012 23:05 Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Emne: Re: [AccessD] How does SQL Server do updates Precisely my point, Jim. In-situ updates by definition destroy data and prevent rollbacks; hence the delete-then-insert scenario, without which a rollback would be impossible. Thus, UPDATE is a glorified term for DELETE then INSERT. No other way to make it all work. Nuff said,,, or perhaps for the sake of performance you would prefer to sacrifice RollBack. A. -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From ab-mi at post3.tele.dk Tue Oct 9 18:21:19 2012 From: ab-mi at post3.tele.dk (Asger Blond) Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2012 01:21:19 +0200 Subject: [AccessD] How does SQL Server do updates In-Reply-To: <5AA612CCB3C6451F976C7AC69DBBEF83@abpc> References: <5072ACD3.5060201@colbyconsulting.com><5072EEB5.6070306@colbyconsulting.com><000001cda5b4$a8e1d080$faa57180$@net><314736AE687E4E549EFF7B384C37BEDF@creativesystemdesigns.com> <5AA612CCB3C6451F976C7AC69DBBEF83@abpc> Message-ID: <3A163871C91148CE897E4FF7616D33AD@abpc> To be more precise ... I quote this from Kalen Delaney's book Inside Microsoft SQL Server 2005: The Storage Engine: "In SQL Server 2005, updating a row in place is the rule rather than the exception. This means that the row stays in exactly the same location on the same page and only the bytes affected are changed. In addition, the log will contain a single record for each such updated row unless the table has an update trigger on it or is marked for replication. In these cases, the update still happens in place, but the log will contain a delete record followed by an insert record. (.....) If your update can't happen in place because you're updating clustering keys, the update will occur as a delete followed by an insert." (p. 309) So I was obviously wrong stating that a rollback is enabled by the log having both the original and the new record. In the first case mentioned by Delaney the log doesn't hold the original record. It may be more precise to say that a rollback is enabled by the fact that a transaction first goes to the cache before written to the log and that the rollback is accomplished in the cache before any physical flushing of data to the log file or the data file happens. Asger -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Asger Blond Sendt: 10. oktober 2012 00:13 Til: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Emne: Re: [AccessD] How does SQL Server do updates Arthur, You need to distinguish what's going on in the transaction log and on the data pages. The transaction log holds both the original and the changed records to enable a rollback, but that doesn't mean that the change on the data pages can't be in-situ. In fact I think it is: a delete-insert operation on the data pages seems ineffective to me. Asger -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Arthur Fuller Sendt: 9. oktober 2012 23:05 Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Emne: Re: [AccessD] How does SQL Server do updates Precisely my point, Jim. In-situ updates by definition destroy data and prevent rollbacks; hence the delete-then-insert scenario, without which a rollback would be impossible. Thus, UPDATE is a glorified term for DELETE then INSERT. No other way to make it all work. Nuff said,,, or perhaps for the sake of performance you would prefer to sacrifice RollBack. A. -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Wed Oct 10 11:25:18 2012 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2012 09:25:18 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Visual basic may be dead In-Reply-To: <3A163871C91148CE897E4FF7616D33AD@abpc> References: <5072ACD3.5060201@colbyconsulting.com><5072EEB5.6070306@colbyconsulting.com><000001cda5b4$a8e1d080$faa57180$@net><314736AE687E4E549EFF7B384C37BEDF@creativesystemdesigns.com><5AA612CCB3C6451F976C7AC69DBBEF83@abpc> <3A163871C91148CE897E4FF7616D33AD@abpc> Message-ID: <23D03D3582E44C8FB33495001F08D299@creativesystemdesigns.com> VB as we know it, as far as Office 13 and beyond may (will) be dead. The Office products will no longer support Visual Basic except within macros. I would assume this functionality or lack of it will also extend to Access as well. Not to worry, according to the attached linked article, another scripted language will replace VB. Office applications will now support JavaScript programming. http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/08/07/microsoft_apps_for_office/ Aside: I do like the new TypeScript editor but for some reason the product removed the requirement to put a semi-colon at the end of each line. Many years ago it took me a long time to learn to drop the semi-colon and then it took a while to relearn to add the semi-colon and now I have to learn to drop it again. :-( I think it should be a rule that all languages are required to have a semi-colon at the end of a line of code. It makes it so easy to unscramble compressed code blocks... Jim From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Wed Oct 10 11:38:35 2012 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2012 12:38:35 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Visual basic may be dead In-Reply-To: <23D03D3582E44C8FB33495001F08D299@creativesystemdesigns.com> References: <5072ACD3.5060201@colbyconsulting.com><5072EEB5.6070306@colbyconsulting.com><000001cda5b4$a8e1d080$faa57180$@net><314736AE687E4E549EFF7B384C37BEDF@creativesystemdesigns.com><5AA612CCB3C6451F976C7AC69DBBEF83@abpc> <3A163871C91148CE897E4FF7616D33AD@abpc> <23D03D3582E44C8FB33495001F08D299@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: <5075A48B.8070000@colbyconsulting.com> >Then there is Visual Basic for Applications (VBA), the macro scripting language that will not die. Lightweight and effective, VBA still exists in Office 2013, the new release currently in preview. So apparently VBA marches on? John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it On 10/10/2012 12:25 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > VB as we know it, as far as Office 13 and beyond may (will) be dead. > > The Office products will no longer support Visual Basic except within > macros. I would assume this functionality or lack of it will also extend to > Access as well. > > Not to worry, according to the attached linked article, another scripted > language will replace VB. Office applications will now support JavaScript > programming. > > http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/08/07/microsoft_apps_for_office/ > > Aside: I do like the new TypeScript editor but for some reason the product > removed the requirement to put a semi-colon at the end of each line. Many > years ago it took me a long time to learn to drop the semi-colon and then it > took a while to relearn to add the semi-colon and now I have to learn to > drop it again. :-( I think it should be a rule that all languages are > required to have a semi-colon at the end of a line of code. It makes it so > easy to unscramble compressed code blocks... > > Jim > From jimdettman at verizon.net Wed Oct 10 12:05:42 2012 From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman) Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2012 13:05:42 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] How does SQL Server do updates In-Reply-To: References: <5072ACD3.5060201@colbyconsulting.com> <5072EEB5.6070306@colbyconsulting.com> <000001cda5b4$a8e1d080$faa57180$@net> <314736AE687E4E549EFF7B384C37BEDF@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: <9C8B8140172644A3A3912BA9A72302FE@XPS> <> That is not the case. Rollbacks within a RDBMS can be done in any number of ways, one of which is to use a run unit journal file (a log of the changes). I can easily record changes as they are made to a file and update data in place as I am doing so. If a rollback needs to occur, I can read the log file backwards and restore the data. Once a transaction is committed, some save that data to a after image journal, which makes roll forwards possible from a full backup. In some systems, the function of a run unit journal and the after image data is stored and managed in the same file, but the functionality is still there. Jim. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2012 05:05 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] How does SQL Server do updates Precisely my point, Jim. In-situ updates by definition destroy data and prevent rollbacks; hence the delete-then-insert scenario, without which a rollback would be impossible. Thus, UPDATE is a glorified term for DELETE then INSERT. No other way to make it all work. Nuff said,,, or perhaps for the sake of performance you would prefer to sacrifice RollBack. A. -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jimdettman at verizon.net Wed Oct 10 12:09:16 2012 From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman) Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2012 13:09:16 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Visual basic may be dead In-Reply-To: <23D03D3582E44C8FB33495001F08D299@creativesystemdesigns.com> References: <5072ACD3.5060201@colbyconsulting.com><5072EEB5.6070306@colbyconsulting.com><000001cda5b4$a8e1d080$faa57180$@net><314736AE687E4E549EFF7B384C37BEDF@creativesystemdesigns.com><5AA612CCB3C6451F976C7AC69DBBEF83@abpc> <3A163871C91148CE897E4FF7616D33AD@abpc> <23D03D3582E44C8FB33495001F08D299@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: <> That's only in the cloud and that's been true for Access for quite some time now. Jim. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2012 12:25 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: [AccessD] Visual basic may be dead VB as we know it, as far as Office 13 and beyond may (will) be dead. The Office products will no longer support Visual Basic except within macros. I would assume this functionality or lack of it will also extend to Access as well. Not to worry, according to the attached linked article, another scripted language will replace VB. Office applications will now support JavaScript programming. http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/08/07/microsoft_apps_for_office/ Aside: I do like the new TypeScript editor but for some reason the product removed the requirement to put a semi-colon at the end of each line. Many years ago it took me a long time to learn to drop the semi-colon and then it took a while to relearn to add the semi-colon and now I have to learn to drop it again. :-( I think it should be a rule that all languages are required to have a semi-colon at the end of a line of code. It makes it so easy to unscramble compressed code blocks... Jim -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jimdettman at verizon.net Wed Oct 10 12:19:28 2012 From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman) Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2012 13:19:28 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] How does SQL Server do updates In-Reply-To: <3A163871C91148CE897E4FF7616D33AD@abpc> References: <5072ACD3.5060201@colbyconsulting.com><5072EEB5.6070306@colbyconsulting.com><000001cda5b4$a8e1d080$faa57180$@net><314736AE687E4E549EFF7B384C37BEDF@creativesystemdesigns.com> <5AA612CCB3C6451F976C7AC69DBBEF83@abpc> <3A163871C91148CE897E4FF7616D33AD@abpc> Message-ID: <9AD1901CC7A947779228E3FE80FDCDB1@XPS> It should be pointed out that on this: "If your update can't happen in place because you're updating clustering keys, the update will occur as a delete followed by an insert." (p. 309)" Is a requirement only because of clustered indexes, not because that's the way it needs to be. A clustered index by definition means that the pages and records are physically in the order of the index, which is why the record needs to be moved, but only if a field is defined as part of the index changes. If none do, then the record won't move. As I said previously, inserting a record is one of the most costly tasks that a RDBMS can do. Page space needs to be found, Page File Management records (if any) need to be updated), indexes updated, DB might need to expand, etc. From a performance stand point, one of the last things a RDBMs wants to do is move a record. Jim. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Asger Blond Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2012 07:21 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] How does SQL Server do updates To be more precise ... I quote this from Kalen Delaney's book Inside Microsoft SQL Server 2005: The Storage Engine: "In SQL Server 2005, updating a row in place is the rule rather than the exception. This means that the row stays in exactly the same location on the same page and only the bytes affected are changed. In addition, the log will contain a single record for each such updated row unless the table has an update trigger on it or is marked for replication. In these cases, the update still happens in place, but the log will contain a delete record followed by an insert record. (.....) If your update can't happen in place because you're updating clustering keys, the update will occur as a delete followed by an insert." (p. 309) So I was obviously wrong stating that a rollback is enabled by the log having both the original and the new record. In the first case mentioned by Delaney the log doesn't hold the original record. It may be more precise to say that a rollback is enabled by the fact that a transaction first goes to the cache before written to the log and that the rollback is accomplished in the cache before any physical flushing of data to the log file or the data file happens. Asger -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Asger Blond Sendt: 10. oktober 2012 00:13 Til: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Emne: Re: [AccessD] How does SQL Server do updates Arthur, You need to distinguish what's going on in the transaction log and on the data pages. The transaction log holds both the original and the changed records to enable a rollback, but that doesn't mean that the change on the data pages can't be in-situ. In fact I think it is: a delete-insert operation on the data pages seems ineffective to me. Asger -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Arthur Fuller Sendt: 9. oktober 2012 23:05 Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Emne: Re: [AccessD] How does SQL Server do updates Precisely my point, Jim. In-situ updates by definition destroy data and prevent rollbacks; hence the delete-then-insert scenario, without which a rollback would be impossible. Thus, UPDATE is a glorified term for DELETE then INSERT. No other way to make it all work. Nuff said,,, or perhaps for the sake of performance you would prefer to sacrifice RollBack. A. -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Wed Oct 10 13:15:58 2012 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2012 11:15:58 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] How does SQL Server do updates In-Reply-To: <9AD1901CC7A947779228E3FE80FDCDB1@XPS> References: <5072ACD3.5060201@colbyconsulting.com><5072EEB5.6070306@colbyconsulting.com><000001cda5b4$a8e1d080$faa57180$@net><314736AE687E4E549EFF7B384C37BEDF@creativesystemdesigns.com><5AA612CCB3C6451F976C7AC69DBBEF83@abpc><3A163871C91148CE897E4FF7616D33AD@abpc> <9AD1901CC7A947779228E3FE80FDCDB1@XPS> Message-ID: <7B7102FDB06A4210AB26C552A0DE4B6B@creativesystemdesigns.com> The only unanswered question would be where are all the pending changes being stored? For example: objConn.BeginTrans ' from this point on hundreds of transaction, to many tables can take place but until the transaction is committed there is no record of adding, deleting or any changes being made to the DB. If you bail: objConn.RollbackTrans it is as if all those transactions never existed but using: objConn.CommitTrans and they are there. Jim -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2012 10:19 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] How does SQL Server do updates It should be pointed out that on this: "If your update can't happen in place because you're updating clustering keys, the update will occur as a delete followed by an insert." (p. 309)" Is a requirement only because of clustered indexes, not because that's the way it needs to be. A clustered index by definition means that the pages and records are physically in the order of the index, which is why the record needs to be moved, but only if a field is defined as part of the index changes. If none do, then the record won't move. As I said previously, inserting a record is one of the most costly tasks that a RDBMS can do. Page space needs to be found, Page File Management records (if any) need to be updated), indexes updated, DB might need to expand, etc. From a performance stand point, one of the last things a RDBMs wants to do is move a record. Jim. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Asger Blond Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2012 07:21 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] How does SQL Server do updates To be more precise ... I quote this from Kalen Delaney's book Inside Microsoft SQL Server 2005: The Storage Engine: "In SQL Server 2005, updating a row in place is the rule rather than the exception. This means that the row stays in exactly the same location on the same page and only the bytes affected are changed. In addition, the log will contain a single record for each such updated row unless the table has an update trigger on it or is marked for replication. In these cases, the update still happens in place, but the log will contain a delete record followed by an insert record. (.....) If your update can't happen in place because you're updating clustering keys, the update will occur as a delete followed by an insert." (p. 309) So I was obviously wrong stating that a rollback is enabled by the log having both the original and the new record. In the first case mentioned by Delaney the log doesn't hold the original record. It may be more precise to say that a rollback is enabled by the fact that a transaction first goes to the cache before written to the log and that the rollback is accomplished in the cache before any physical flushing of data to the log file or the data file happens. Asger -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Asger Blond Sendt: 10. oktober 2012 00:13 Til: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Emne: Re: [AccessD] How does SQL Server do updates Arthur, You need to distinguish what's going on in the transaction log and on the data pages. The transaction log holds both the original and the changed records to enable a rollback, but that doesn't mean that the change on the data pages can't be in-situ. In fact I think it is: a delete-insert operation on the data pages seems ineffective to me. Asger -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Arthur Fuller Sendt: 9. oktober 2012 23:05 Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Emne: Re: [AccessD] How does SQL Server do updates Precisely my point, Jim. In-situ updates by definition destroy data and prevent rollbacks; hence the delete-then-insert scenario, without which a rollback would be impossible. Thus, UPDATE is a glorified term for DELETE then INSERT. No other way to make it all work. Nuff said,,, or perhaps for the sake of performance you would prefer to sacrifice RollBack. A. -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk Wed Oct 10 13:51:12 2012 From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid) Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2012 19:51:12 +0100 Subject: [AccessD] How does SQL Server do updates Message-ID: <631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB082958E50572CB8@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk> http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms189038.aspx Sent from my Windows Phone ________________________________ From: Jim Lawrence Sent: 10/10/2012 19:17 To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] How does SQL Server do updates The only unanswered question would be where are all the pending changes being stored? For example: objConn.BeginTrans ' from this point on hundreds of transaction, to many tables can take place but until the transaction is committed there is no record of adding, deleting or any changes being made to the DB. If you bail: objConn.RollbackTrans it is as if all those transactions never existed but using: objConn.CommitTrans and they are there. Jim -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2012 10:19 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] How does SQL Server do updates It should be pointed out that on this: "If your update can't happen in place because you're updating clustering keys, the update will occur as a delete followed by an insert." (p. 309)" Is a requirement only because of clustered indexes, not because that's the way it needs to be. A clustered index by definition means that the pages and records are physically in the order of the index, which is why the record needs to be moved, but only if a field is defined as part of the index changes. If none do, then the record won't move. As I said previously, inserting a record is one of the most costly tasks that a RDBMS can do. Page space needs to be found, Page File Management records (if any) need to be updated), indexes updated, DB might need to expand, etc. From a performance stand point, one of the last things a RDBMs wants to do is move a record. Jim. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Asger Blond Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2012 07:21 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] How does SQL Server do updates To be more precise ... I quote this from Kalen Delaney's book Inside Microsoft SQL Server 2005: The Storage Engine: "In SQL Server 2005, updating a row in place is the rule rather than the exception. This means that the row stays in exactly the same location on the same page and only the bytes affected are changed. In addition, the log will contain a single record for each such updated row unless the table has an update trigger on it or is marked for replication. In these cases, the update still happens in place, but the log will contain a delete record followed by an insert record. (.....) If your update can't happen in place because you're updating clustering keys, the update will occur as a delete followed by an insert." (p. 309) So I was obviously wrong stating that a rollback is enabled by the log having both the original and the new record. In the first case mentioned by Delaney the log doesn't hold the original record. It may be more precise to say that a rollback is enabled by the fact that a transaction first goes to the cache before written to the log and that the rollback is accomplished in the cache before any physical flushing of data to the log file or the data file happens. Asger -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Asger Blond Sendt: 10. oktober 2012 00:13 Til: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Emne: Re: [AccessD] How does SQL Server do updates Arthur, You need to distinguish what's going on in the transaction log and on the data pages. The transaction log holds both the original and the changed records to enable a rollback, but that doesn't mean that the change on the data pages can't be in-situ. In fact I think it is: a delete-insert operation on the data pages seems ineffective to me. Asger -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Arthur Fuller Sendt: 9. oktober 2012 23:05 Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Emne: Re: [AccessD] How does SQL Server do updates Precisely my point, Jim. In-situ updates by definition destroy data and prevent rollbacks; hence the delete-then-insert scenario, without which a rollback would be impossible. Thus, UPDATE is a glorified term for DELETE then INSERT. No other way to make it all work. Nuff said,,, or perhaps for the sake of performance you would prefer to sacrifice RollBack. A. -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From TSeptav at Uniserve.com Wed Oct 10 14:39:14 2012 From: TSeptav at Uniserve.com (Tony Septav) Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2012 14:39:14 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] How does SQL Server do updates In-Reply-To: <631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB082958E50572CB8@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk> Message-ID: <201210101939.q9AJdHTs003938@databaseadvisors.com> Hey All Sorry (fiddled with it in the past) but who really cares . It is a dinosaur. And its' demise has been forecasted. Tony Septav Nanaimo, BC Canada -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Martin Reid Sent: October-10-12 1:51 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] How does SQL Server do updates http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms189038.aspx Sent from my Windows Phone ________________________________ From: Jim Lawrence Sent: 10/10/2012 19:17 To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] How does SQL Server do updates The only unanswered question would be where are all the pending changes being stored? For example: objConn.BeginTrans ' from this point on hundreds of transaction, to many tables can take place but until the transaction is committed there is no record of adding, deleting or any changes being made to the DB. If you bail: objConn.RollbackTrans it is as if all those transactions never existed but using: objConn.CommitTrans and they are there. Jim -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2012 10:19 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] How does SQL Server do updates It should be pointed out that on this: "If your update can't happen in place because you're updating clustering keys, the update will occur as a delete followed by an insert." (p. 309)" Is a requirement only because of clustered indexes, not because that's the way it needs to be. A clustered index by definition means that the pages and records are physically in the order of the index, which is why the record needs to be moved, but only if a field is defined as part of the index changes. If none do, then the record won't move. As I said previously, inserting a record is one of the most costly tasks that a RDBMS can do. Page space needs to be found, Page File Management records (if any) need to be updated), indexes updated, DB might need to expand, etc. From a performance stand point, one of the last things a RDBMs wants to do is move a record. Jim. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Asger Blond Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2012 07:21 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] How does SQL Server do updates To be more precise ... I quote this from Kalen Delaney's book Inside Microsoft SQL Server 2005: The Storage Engine: "In SQL Server 2005, updating a row in place is the rule rather than the exception. This means that the row stays in exactly the same location on the same page and only the bytes affected are changed. In addition, the log will contain a single record for each such updated row unless the table has an update trigger on it or is marked for replication. In these cases, the update still happens in place, but the log will contain a delete record followed by an insert record. (.....) If your update can't happen in place because you're updating clustering keys, the update will occur as a delete followed by an insert." (p. 309) So I was obviously wrong stating that a rollback is enabled by the log having both the original and the new record. In the first case mentioned by Delaney the log doesn't hold the original record. It may be more precise to say that a rollback is enabled by the fact that a transaction first goes to the cache before written to the log and that the rollback is accomplished in the cache before any physical flushing of data to the log file or the data file happens. Asger -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Asger Blond Sendt: 10. oktober 2012 00:13 Til: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Emne: Re: [AccessD] How does SQL Server do updates Arthur, You need to distinguish what's going on in the transaction log and on the data pages. The transaction log holds both the original and the changed records to enable a rollback, but that doesn't mean that the change on the data pages can't be in-situ. In fact I think it is: a delete-insert operation on the data pages seems ineffective to me. Asger -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Arthur Fuller Sendt: 9. oktober 2012 23:05 Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Emne: Re: [AccessD] How does SQL Server do updates Precisely my point, Jim. In-situ updates by definition destroy data and prevent rollbacks; hence the delete-then-insert scenario, without which a rollback would be impossible. Thus, UPDATE is a glorified term for DELETE then INSERT. No other way to make it all work. Nuff said,,, or perhaps for the sake of performance you would prefer to sacrifice RollBack. A. -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Wed Oct 10 16:11:35 2012 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2012 07:11:35 +1000 Subject: [AccessD] Visual basic may be dead In-Reply-To: <23D03D3582E44C8FB33495001F08D299@creativesystemdesigns.com> References: <5072ACD3.5060201@colbyconsulting.com>, <3A163871C91148CE897E4FF7616D33AD@abpc>, <23D03D3582E44C8FB33495001F08D299@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: <5075E487.24084.56CE9A05@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> That's not the way I read that article at all. MS are now developing a Javascript API to manipulate office documents on locked down "devices" through a browser interface. It says nothing about COM being depreciated nor about VBA being replaced. -- Stuart On 10 Oct 2012 at 9:25, Jim Lawrence wrote: > VB as we know it, as far as Office 13 and beyond may (will) be dead. > > The Office products will no longer support Visual Basic except within > macros. I would assume this functionality or lack of it will also extend to > Access as well. > > Not to worry, according to the attached linked article, another scripted > language will replace VB. Office applications will now support JavaScript > programming. > > http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/08/07/microsoft_apps_for_office/ > > Aside: I do like the new TypeScript editor but for some reason the product > removed the requirement to put a semi-colon at the end of each line. Many > years ago it took me a long time to learn to drop the semi-colon and then it > took a while to relearn to add the semi-colon and now I have to learn to > drop it again. :-( I think it should be a rule that all languages are > required to have a semi-colon at the end of a line of code. It makes it so > easy to unscramble compressed code blocks... > > Jim > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From BradM at blackforestltd.com Wed Oct 10 16:54:14 2012 From: BradM at blackforestltd.com (Brad Marks) Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2012 16:54:14 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] How to Discern if an Access Linked Table (Excel File) is Opened Exclusively by Another User References: Message-ID: Is there a way using Access VBA code to know if an Excel file (defined to Access as a Linked table) is opened by another user? Thanks, Brad From vbacreations at gmail.com Wed Oct 10 17:03:22 2012 From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson) Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2012 18:03:22 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] How to Discern if an Access Linked Table (Excel File) is Opened Exclusively by Another User In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Sure.... use filesystemobject to try to rename it. On Oct 10, 2012 5:57 PM, "Brad Marks" wrote: > Is there a way using Access VBA code to know if an Excel file (defined > to Access as a Linked table) is opened by another user? > > Thanks, > > Brad > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From vbacreations at gmail.com Wed Oct 10 17:11:59 2012 From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson) Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2012 18:11:59 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] How to Discern if an Access Linked Table (Excel File) is Opened Exclusively by Another User In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: You will need to break the link to rhe table and relink it in order to do this. On Oct 10, 2012 6:03 PM, "William Benson" wrote: > Sure.... use filesystemobject to try to rename it. > On Oct 10, 2012 5:57 PM, "Brad Marks" wrote: > >> Is there a way using Access VBA code to know if an Excel file (defined >> to Access as a Linked table) is opened by another user? >> >> Thanks, >> >> Brad >> >> -- >> AccessD mailing list >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> > From accessd at shaw.ca Thu Oct 11 11:18:48 2012 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2012 09:18:48 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Visual basic may be dead In-Reply-To: <5075E487.24084.56CE9A05@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: <5072ACD3.5060201@colbyconsulting.com>, <3A163871C91148CE897E4FF7616D33AD@abpc>, <23D03D3582E44C8FB33495001F08D299@creativesystemdesigns.com> <5075E487.24084.56CE9A05@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <441845272D9C472FAE9176290E917D6E@creativesystemdesigns.com> Yeah, maybe a little premature... Jim -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2012 2:12 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Visual basic may be dead That's not the way I read that article at all. MS are now developing a Javascript API to manipulate office documents on locked down "devices" through a browser interface. It says nothing about COM being depreciated nor about VBA being replaced. -- Stuart On 10 Oct 2012 at 9:25, Jim Lawrence wrote: > VB as we know it, as far as Office 13 and beyond may (will) be dead. > > The Office products will no longer support Visual Basic except within > macros. I would assume this functionality or lack of it will also extend to > Access as well. > > Not to worry, according to the attached linked article, another scripted > language will replace VB. Office applications will now support JavaScript > programming. > > http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/08/07/microsoft_apps_for_office/ > > Aside: I do like the new TypeScript editor but for some reason the product > removed the requirement to put a semi-colon at the end of each line. Many > years ago it took me a long time to learn to drop the semi-colon and then it > took a while to relearn to add the semi-colon and now I have to learn to > drop it again. :-( I think it should be a rule that all languages are > required to have a semi-colon at the end of a line of code. It makes it so > easy to unscramble compressed code blocks... > > Jim > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Thu Oct 11 11:45:33 2012 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2012 09:45:33 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] How does SQL Server do updates In-Reply-To: <201210101939.q9AJdHTs003938@databaseadvisors.com> References: <631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB082958E50572CB8@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk> <201210101939.q9AJdHTs003938@databaseadvisors.com> Message-ID: Hi Tony: What would you suggest would not be a dinosaur? Jim -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tony Septav Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2012 12:39 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] How does SQL Server do updates Hey All Sorry (fiddled with it in the past) but who really cares . It is a dinosaur. And its' demise has been forecasted. Tony Septav Nanaimo, BC Canada -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Martin Reid Sent: October-10-12 1:51 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] How does SQL Server do updates http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms189038.aspx Sent from my Windows Phone ________________________________ From: Jim Lawrence Sent: 10/10/2012 19:17 To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] How does SQL Server do updates The only unanswered question would be where are all the pending changes being stored? For example: objConn.BeginTrans ' from this point on hundreds of transaction, to many tables can take place but until the transaction is committed there is no record of adding, deleting or any changes being made to the DB. If you bail: objConn.RollbackTrans it is as if all those transactions never existed but using: objConn.CommitTrans and they are there. Jim -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2012 10:19 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] How does SQL Server do updates It should be pointed out that on this: "If your update can't happen in place because you're updating clustering keys, the update will occur as a delete followed by an insert." (p. 309)" Is a requirement only because of clustered indexes, not because that's the way it needs to be. A clustered index by definition means that the pages and records are physically in the order of the index, which is why the record needs to be moved, but only if a field is defined as part of the index changes. If none do, then the record won't move. As I said previously, inserting a record is one of the most costly tasks that a RDBMS can do. Page space needs to be found, Page File Management records (if any) need to be updated), indexes updated, DB might need to expand, etc. From a performance stand point, one of the last things a RDBMs wants to do is move a record. Jim. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Asger Blond Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2012 07:21 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] How does SQL Server do updates To be more precise ... I quote this from Kalen Delaney's book Inside Microsoft SQL Server 2005: The Storage Engine: "In SQL Server 2005, updating a row in place is the rule rather than the exception. This means that the row stays in exactly the same location on the same page and only the bytes affected are changed. In addition, the log will contain a single record for each such updated row unless the table has an update trigger on it or is marked for replication. In these cases, the update still happens in place, but the log will contain a delete record followed by an insert record. (.....) If your update can't happen in place because you're updating clustering keys, the update will occur as a delete followed by an insert." (p. 309) So I was obviously wrong stating that a rollback is enabled by the log having both the original and the new record. In the first case mentioned by Delaney the log doesn't hold the original record. It may be more precise to say that a rollback is enabled by the fact that a transaction first goes to the cache before written to the log and that the rollback is accomplished in the cache before any physical flushing of data to the log file or the data file happens. Asger -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Asger Blond Sendt: 10. oktober 2012 00:13 Til: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Emne: Re: [AccessD] How does SQL Server do updates Arthur, You need to distinguish what's going on in the transaction log and on the data pages. The transaction log holds both the original and the changed records to enable a rollback, but that doesn't mean that the change on the data pages can't be in-situ. In fact I think it is: a delete-insert operation on the data pages seems ineffective to me. Asger -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Arthur Fuller Sendt: 9. oktober 2012 23:05 Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Emne: Re: [AccessD] How does SQL Server do updates Precisely my point, Jim. In-situ updates by definition destroy data and prevent rollbacks; hence the delete-then-insert scenario, without which a rollback would be impossible. Thus, UPDATE is a glorified term for DELETE then INSERT. No other way to make it all work. Nuff said,,, or perhaps for the sake of performance you would prefer to sacrifice RollBack. A. -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From phpons at gmail.com Thu Oct 11 12:15:12 2012 From: phpons at gmail.com (Philippe lelynx) Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2012 19:15:12 +0200 Subject: [AccessD] sql to get stock variation Message-ID: Hi all, I need your help regarding a sql query. I have a table, say STOCK(stock_date, stock_qty) It records the stock level at the end of each day. I need to calculate, for each day, the stock variation. i.e for the day n => stock(n) - stock(n-1) How would you build such a query?? Regards, Philippe Pons From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Thu Oct 11 14:08:46 2012 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2012 15:08:46 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] sql to get stock variation In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5077193E.8090900@colbyconsulting.com> One way would be to put a FK in the record which holds the PK of the previously stored record for a given stock. That requires looking up the previous record before updating the new record but it then gives you a dead simple inner join to get the difference between the current and the previous. Just join the table on itself using the PK and that FK. It is called a "single linked list" when done in code. John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it On 10/11/2012 1:15 PM, Philippe lelynx wrote: > Hi all, > > I need your help regarding a sql query. > > I have a table, say STOCK(stock_date, stock_qty) > > It records the stock level at the end of each day. > > I need to calculate, for each day, the stock variation. > > i.e for the day n => stock(n) - stock(n-1) > > How would you build such a query?? > > Regards, > > Philippe Pons > From phpons at gmail.com Thu Oct 11 14:32:00 2012 From: phpons at gmail.com (Philippe lelynx) Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2012 21:32:00 +0200 Subject: [AccessD] sql to get stock variation In-Reply-To: <5077193E.8090900@colbyconsulting.com> References: <5077193E.8090900@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: thank you, John, I understand what you mean, I will go this way. Regards, Philippe 2012/10/11 jwcolby > One way would be to put a FK in the record which holds the PK of the > previously stored record for a given stock. That requires looking up the > previous record before updating the new record but it then gives you a dead > simple inner join to get the difference between the current and the > previous. Just join the table on itself using the PK and that FK. > > It is called a "single linked list" when done in code. > > John W. Colby > Colby Consulting > > Reality is what refuses to go away > when you do not believe in it > > > On 10/11/2012 1:15 PM, Philippe lelynx wrote: > >> Hi all, >> >> I need your help regarding a sql query. >> >> I have a table, say STOCK(stock_date, stock_qty) >> >> It records the stock level at the end of each day. >> >> I need to calculate, for each day, the stock variation. >> >> i.e for the day n => stock(n) - stock(n-1) >> >> How would you build such a query?? >> >> Regards, >> >> Philippe Pons >> >> > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.**com > From dw-murphy at cox.net Thu Oct 11 15:10:37 2012 From: dw-murphy at cox.net (Doug Murphy) Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2012 13:10:37 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] sql to get stock variation In-Reply-To: References: <5077193E.8090900@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <00d801cda7ec$7ad4f6b0$707ee410$@cox.net> An interesting approach to this type of requirement is shown at http://www.rafael-salas.com/2008/05/t-sql-lead-and-lag-functions.html Doug -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Philippe lelynx Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2012 12:32 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] sql to get stock variation thank you, John, I understand what you mean, I will go this way. Regards, Philippe 2012/10/11 jwcolby > One way would be to put a FK in the record which holds the PK of the > previously stored record for a given stock. That requires looking up > the previous record before updating the new record but it then gives > you a dead simple inner join to get the difference between the current > and the previous. Just join the table on itself using the PK and that FK. > > It is called a "single linked list" when done in code. > > John W. Colby > Colby Consulting > > Reality is what refuses to go away > when you do not believe in it > > > On 10/11/2012 1:15 PM, Philippe lelynx wrote: > >> Hi all, >> >> I need your help regarding a sql query. >> >> I have a table, say STOCK(stock_date, stock_qty) >> >> It records the stock level at the end of each day. >> >> I need to calculate, for each day, the stock variation. >> >> i.e for the day n => stock(n) - stock(n-1) >> >> How would you build such a query?? >> >> Regards, >> >> Philippe Pons >> >> > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/accessd advisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd> > Website: > http://www.databaseadvisors.**com > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From garykjos at gmail.com Thu Oct 11 15:50:22 2012 From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos) Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2012 15:50:22 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] sql to get stock variation In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: If you had a simple date table with todays date in one column and yesterdays date - or perhaps a Friday date on a Monday to skip a weekend etc, you could then just join that table to your stock table on each of the two dates using an alias for the second copy of the stock table calling it something like previous_day_stock and you could then report stock_variation = stock(stock_qty) - previous_day_stock(stock_qty) So a table called ReportingDates with these columns and values Date_of_day Previous_date 10/1/2012 9/28/2012 10/2/2012 10/1/2012 10/3/2012 10/2/2012 And a Stock table with these values Stock_date Stock_qty 9/28/2012 999 10/1/2012 432 10/2/2012 124 10/3/2012 753 And This sql SELECT Stock.Stock_date, Stock.Stock_qty, Previous_Day_Stock.Stock_date, Previous_Day_Stock.Stock_qty, [Stock].[Stock_qty]-[Previous_Day_Stock].[Stock_qty] AS Stock_Variance FROM (ReportingDates INNER JOIN Stock ON ReportingDates.Date_of_day = Stock.Stock_date) INNER JOIN Stock AS Previous_Day_Stock ON ReportingDates.Previous_date = Previous_Day_Stock.Stock_date; would product these results Stock.Stock_date Stock.Stock_qty Previous_Day_Stock.Stock_date Previous_Day_Stock.Stock_qty Stock_Variance 10/1/2012 432 9/28/2012 999 -567 10/2/2012 124 10/1/2012 432 -308 10/3/2012 753 10/2/2012 124 629 GK On Thu, Oct 11, 2012 at 12:15 PM, Philippe lelynx wrote: > Hi all, > > I need your help regarding a sql query. > > I have a table, say STOCK(stock_date, stock_qty) > > It records the stock level at the end of each day. > > I need to calculate, for each day, the stock variation. > > i.e for the day n => stock(n) - stock(n-1) > > How would you build such a query?? > > Regards, > > Philippe Pons > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Gary Kjos garykjos at gmail.com From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Fri Oct 12 06:22:16 2012 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2012 07:22:16 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] sql to get stock variation In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5077FD68.7060706@colbyconsulting.com> This assumes that there is only a single stock in the table else you also have to join on the stock id as well. John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it On 10/11/2012 4:50 PM, Gary Kjos wrote: > If you had a simple date table with todays date in one column and > yesterdays date - or perhaps a Friday date on a Monday to skip a weekend > etc, you could then just join that table to your stock table on each of the > two dates using an alias for the second copy of the stock table calling it > something like previous_day_stock and you could then report > stock_variation = stock(stock_qty) - previous_day_stock(stock_qty) > > So a table called ReportingDates with these columns and values > Date_of_day Previous_date > 10/1/2012 9/28/2012 > 10/2/2012 10/1/2012 > 10/3/2012 10/2/2012 > > And a Stock table with these values > Stock_date Stock_qty > 9/28/2012 999 > 10/1/2012 432 > 10/2/2012 124 > 10/3/2012 753 > > And This sql > > SELECT Stock.Stock_date, Stock.Stock_qty, Previous_Day_Stock.Stock_date, > Previous_Day_Stock.Stock_qty, > [Stock].[Stock_qty]-[Previous_Day_Stock].[Stock_qty] AS Stock_Variance > FROM (ReportingDates INNER JOIN Stock ON ReportingDates.Date_of_day = > Stock.Stock_date) INNER JOIN Stock AS Previous_Day_Stock ON > ReportingDates.Previous_date = Previous_Day_Stock.Stock_date; > > would product these results > Stock.Stock_date Stock.Stock_qty Previous_Day_Stock.Stock_date > Previous_Day_Stock.Stock_qty Stock_Variance > 10/1/2012 432 9/28/2012 999 -567 > 10/2/2012 124 10/1/2012 432 -308 > 10/3/2012 753 10/2/2012 124 629 > > GK > > On Thu, Oct 11, 2012 at 12:15 PM, Philippe lelynx wrote: > >> Hi all, >> >> I need your help regarding a sql query. >> >> I have a table, say STOCK(stock_date, stock_qty) >> >> It records the stock level at the end of each day. >> >> I need to calculate, for each day, the stock variation. >> >> i.e for the day n => stock(n) - stock(n-1) >> >> How would you build such a query?? >> >> Regards, >> >> Philippe Pons >> -- >> AccessD mailing list >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> > > > From garykjos at gmail.com Fri Oct 12 08:14:43 2012 From: garykjos at gmail.com (garykjos at gmail.com) Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2012 13:14:43 +0000 Subject: [AccessD] sql to get stock variation In-Reply-To: <5077FD68.7060706@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: Yes, but he didn't mention individual products in his example so I didn't put that in mine either. GK On , jwcolby wrote: > This assumes that there is only a single stock in the table else you also > have to join on the stock id as well. > John W. Colby > Colby Consulting > Reality is what refuses to go away > when you do not believe in it > On 10/11/2012 4:50 PM, Gary Kjos wrote: > If you had a simple date table with todays date in one column and > yesterdays date - or perhaps a Friday date on a Monday to skip a weekend > etc, you could then just join that table to your stock table on each of > the > two dates using an alias for the second copy of the stock table calling it > something like previous_day_stock and you could then report > stock_variation = stock(stock_qty) - previous_day_stock(stock_qty) > So a table called ReportingDates with these columns and values > Date_of_day Previous_date > 10/1/2012 9/28/2012 > 10/2/2012 10/1/2012 > 10/3/2012 10/2/2012 > And a Stock table with these values > Stock_date Stock_qty > 9/28/2012 999 > 10/1/2012 432 > 10/2/2012 124 > 10/3/2012 753 > And This sql > SELECT Stock.Stock_date, Stock.Stock_qty, Previous_Day_Stock.Stock_date, > Previous_Day_Stock.Stock_qty, > [Stock].[Stock_qty]-[Previous_Day_Stock].[Stock_qty] AS Stock_Variance > FROM (ReportingDates INNER JOIN Stock ON ReportingDates.Date_of_day = > Stock.Stock_date) INNER JOIN Stock AS Previous_Day_Stock ON > ReportingDates.Previous_date = Previous_Day_Stock.Stock_date; > would product these results > Stock.Stock_date Stock.Stock_qty Previous_Day_Stock.Stock_date > Previous_Day_Stock.Stock_qty Stock_Variance > 10/1/2012 432 9/28/2012 999 -567 > 10/2/2012 124 10/1/2012 432 -308 > 10/3/2012 753 10/2/2012 124 629 > GK > On Thu, Oct 11, 2012 at 12:15 PM, Philippe lelynx phpons at gmail.com> wrote: > Hi all, > I need your help regarding a sql query. > I have a table, say STOCK(stock_date, stock_qty) > It records the stock level at the end of each day. > I need to calculate, for each day, the stock variation. > ie for the day n => stock(n) - stock(n-1) > How would you build such a query?? > Regards, > Philippe Pons > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Sat Oct 13 10:23:01 2012 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2012 08:23:01 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Needing a Fourth Conditional Format Message-ID: <83D7A9822A8547A3983A336A390B7560@HAL9007> Dear List: I'm making a Gantt chart of scheduled classes for a client - an interactive form where he can scroll forward and backward by a day, a week, a month, or a year. The course statuses are Scheduled, Complete and Cancelled. The bars showing the date are color coded red, green and brown. And it's a continuous form. Working well. Until... The user wants to be able to mark a course a Tentatively Scheduled (reserving the space, but not yet booked). So there's a check box on the Course Schedule form for tentative. However, he wants the tentatively scheduled class to show on the chart with a different color (I'd go with pink but that's not important, now). It looks like I need a fourth condition but of course conditional formatting only give you three conditions. I"m stumped (without redesigning the approach of the whole form - not a pleasant prospect). Any ideas welcome. MTIA Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software 858-259-4334 www.bchacc.com www.e-z-mrp.com Skype: rocky.smolin From dbdoug at gmail.com Sat Oct 13 10:37:49 2012 From: dbdoug at gmail.com (Doug Steele) Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2012 08:37:49 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Needing a Fourth Conditional Format In-Reply-To: <83D7A9822A8547A3983A336A390B7560@HAL9007> References: <83D7A9822A8547A3983A336A390B7560@HAL9007> Message-ID: Hi Rocky: You can build format conditions in code; I think there isn't a limit of three. Here's a sample I use from a Form_Load event: txMargin1.FormatConditions.Delete txMargin1.FormatConditions.Add acExpression, , "[txMargin1] <> 0 and [txMargin1] < " & MarginPct1 txMargin1.FormatConditions(0).BackColor = 255 'red txMargin1.FormatConditions.Add acExpression, , "[txMargin1] <> 0 and [txMargin1] < " & MarginPct2 txMargin1.FormatConditions(1).BackColor = 33023 'orange This article shows an example with 4 conditions: http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/office/aa139965(v=office.10).aspx I used code because I had a ton of fields in a form, all with identical format conditions, and it is WAY easier to modify code than laboriously work your way through the wizard for each field. In the example above, the client wanted colouring depending on an adjustable profit margin. Doug On Sat, Oct 13, 2012 at 8:23 AM, Rocky Smolin wrote: > Dear List: > > I'm making a Gantt chart of scheduled classes for a client - an interactive > form where he can scroll forward and backward by a day, a week, a month, or > a year. The course statuses are Scheduled, Complete and Cancelled. The > bars showing the date are color coded red, green and brown. And it's a > continuous form. > > Working well. Until... > > The user wants to be able to mark a course a Tentatively Scheduled > (reserving the space, but not yet booked). So there's a check box on the > Course Schedule form for tentative. > > However, he wants the tentatively scheduled class to show on the chart with > a different color (I'd go with pink but that's not important, now). > > It looks like I need a fourth condition but of course conditional > formatting > only give you three conditions. > > I"m stumped (without redesigning the approach of the whole form - not a > pleasant prospect). Any ideas welcome. > > MTIA > > Rocky Smolin > Beach Access Software > 858-259-4334 > www.bchacc.com > www.e-z-mrp.com > Skype: rocky.smolin > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Sat Oct 13 10:46:22 2012 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2012 08:46:22 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Needing a Fourth Conditional Format In-Reply-To: References: <83D7A9822A8547A3983A336A390B7560@HAL9007> Message-ID: Doug: Not sure this will work for a continuous form where a control (text box) changes backcolor depending on its value in that record. What do you think? Rocky -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Doug Steele Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2012 8:38 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Needing a Fourth Conditional Format Hi Rocky: You can build format conditions in code; I think there isn't a limit of three. Here's a sample I use from a Form_Load event: txMargin1.FormatConditions.Delete txMargin1.FormatConditions.Add acExpression, , "[txMargin1] <> 0 and [txMargin1] < " & MarginPct1 txMargin1.FormatConditions(0).BackColor = 255 'red txMargin1.FormatConditions.Add acExpression, , "[txMargin1] <> 0 and [txMargin1] < " & MarginPct2 txMargin1.FormatConditions(1).BackColor = 33023 'orange This article shows an example with 4 conditions: http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/office/aa139965(v=office.10).aspx I used code because I had a ton of fields in a form, all with identical format conditions, and it is WAY easier to modify code than laboriously work your way through the wizard for each field. In the example above, the client wanted colouring depending on an adjustable profit margin. Doug On Sat, Oct 13, 2012 at 8:23 AM, Rocky Smolin wrote: > Dear List: > > I'm making a Gantt chart of scheduled classes for a client - an > interactive form where he can scroll forward and backward by a day, a > week, a month, or a year. The course statuses are Scheduled, Complete > and Cancelled. The bars showing the date are color coded red, green > and brown. And it's a continuous form. > > Working well. Until... > > The user wants to be able to mark a course a Tentatively Scheduled > (reserving the space, but not yet booked). So there's a check box on > the Course Schedule form for tentative. > > However, he wants the tentatively scheduled class to show on the chart > with a different color (I'd go with pink but that's not important, now). > > It looks like I need a fourth condition but of course conditional > formatting only give you three conditions. > > I"m stumped (without redesigning the approach of the whole form - not > a pleasant prospect). Any ideas welcome. > > MTIA > > Rocky Smolin > Beach Access Software > 858-259-4334 > www.bchacc.com www.e-z-mrp.com > > Skype: rocky.smolin > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From dbdoug at gmail.com Sat Oct 13 10:49:45 2012 From: dbdoug at gmail.com (Doug Steele) Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2012 08:49:45 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Needing a Fourth Conditional Format In-Reply-To: References: <83D7A9822A8547A3983A336A390B7560@HAL9007> Message-ID: Without trying it, my guess is that if three conditions work when you create them manually, four conditions should work if you build them in code. Shouldn't take long to build a simple test. Doug On Sat, Oct 13, 2012 at 8:46 AM, Rocky Smolin wrote: > Doug: > > Not sure this will work for a continuous form where a control (text box) > changes backcolor depending on its value in that record. > > What do you think? > > Rocky > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Doug Steele > Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2012 8:38 AM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Needing a Fourth Conditional Format > > Hi Rocky: > > You can build format conditions in code; I think there isn't a limit of > three. Here's a sample I use from a Form_Load event: > > txMargin1.FormatConditions.Delete > txMargin1.FormatConditions.Add acExpression, , "[txMargin1] <> 0 and > [txMargin1] < " & MarginPct1 > txMargin1.FormatConditions(0).BackColor = 255 'red > txMargin1.FormatConditions.Add acExpression, , "[txMargin1] <> 0 and > [txMargin1] < " & MarginPct2 > txMargin1.FormatConditions(1).BackColor = 33023 'orange > > This article shows an example with 4 conditions: > http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/office/aa139965(v=office.10).aspx > > I used code because I had a ton of fields in a form, all with identical > format conditions, and it is WAY easier to modify code than laboriously > work > your way through the wizard for each field. In the example above, the > client wanted colouring depending on an adjustable profit margin. > > Doug > > > On Sat, Oct 13, 2012 at 8:23 AM, Rocky Smolin >wrote: > > > Dear List: > > > > I'm making a Gantt chart of scheduled classes for a client - an > > interactive form where he can scroll forward and backward by a day, a > > week, a month, or a year. The course statuses are Scheduled, Complete > > and Cancelled. The bars showing the date are color coded red, green > > and brown. And it's a continuous form. > > > > Working well. Until... > > > > The user wants to be able to mark a course a Tentatively Scheduled > > (reserving the space, but not yet booked). So there's a check box on > > the Course Schedule form for tentative. > > > > However, he wants the tentatively scheduled class to show on the chart > > with a different color (I'd go with pink but that's not important, now). > > > > It looks like I need a fourth condition but of course conditional > > formatting only give you three conditions. > > > > I"m stumped (without redesigning the approach of the whole form - not > > a pleasant prospect). Any ideas welcome. > > > > MTIA > > > > Rocky Smolin > > Beach Access Software > > 858-259-4334 > > www.bchacc.com www.e-z-mrp.com > > > > Skype: rocky.smolin > > > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From dbdoug at gmail.com Sat Oct 13 10:51:30 2012 From: dbdoug at gmail.com (Doug Steele) Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2012 08:51:30 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Needing a Fourth Conditional Format In-Reply-To: References: <83D7A9822A8547A3983A336A390B7560@HAL9007> Message-ID: Further note: If I remember correctly, if you do build the conditions manually using the wizard, you can then view them and change them in code. Doug On Sat, Oct 13, 2012 at 8:49 AM, Doug Steele wrote: > Without trying it, my guess is that if three conditions work when you > create them manually, four conditions should work if you build them in > code. Shouldn't take long to build a simple test. > > Doug > > > On Sat, Oct 13, 2012 at 8:46 AM, Rocky Smolin wrote: > >> Doug: >> >> Not sure this will work for a continuous form where a control (text box) >> changes backcolor depending on its value in that record. >> >> What do you think? >> >> Rocky >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Doug Steele >> Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2012 8:38 AM >> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving >> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Needing a Fourth Conditional Format >> >> Hi Rocky: >> >> You can build format conditions in code; I think there isn't a limit of >> three. Here's a sample I use from a Form_Load event: >> >> txMargin1.FormatConditions.Delete >> txMargin1.FormatConditions.Add acExpression, , "[txMargin1] <> 0 and >> [txMargin1] < " & MarginPct1 >> txMargin1.FormatConditions(0).BackColor = 255 'red >> txMargin1.FormatConditions.Add acExpression, , "[txMargin1] <> 0 and >> [txMargin1] < " & MarginPct2 >> txMargin1.FormatConditions(1).BackColor = 33023 'orange >> >> This article shows an example with 4 conditions: >> http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/office/aa139965(v=office.10).aspx >> >> I used code because I had a ton of fields in a form, all with identical >> format conditions, and it is WAY easier to modify code than laboriously >> work >> your way through the wizard for each field. In the example above, the >> client wanted colouring depending on an adjustable profit margin. >> >> Doug >> >> >> On Sat, Oct 13, 2012 at 8:23 AM, Rocky Smolin > >wrote: >> >> > Dear List: >> > >> > I'm making a Gantt chart of scheduled classes for a client - an >> > interactive form where he can scroll forward and backward by a day, a >> > week, a month, or a year. The course statuses are Scheduled, Complete >> > and Cancelled. The bars showing the date are color coded red, green >> > and brown. And it's a continuous form. >> > >> > Working well. Until... >> > >> > The user wants to be able to mark a course a Tentatively Scheduled >> > (reserving the space, but not yet booked). So there's a check box on >> > the Course Schedule form for tentative. >> > >> > However, he wants the tentatively scheduled class to show on the chart >> > with a different color (I'd go with pink but that's not important, now). >> > >> > It looks like I need a fourth condition but of course conditional >> > formatting only give you three conditions. >> > >> > I"m stumped (without redesigning the approach of the whole form - not >> > a pleasant prospect). Any ideas welcome. >> > >> > MTIA >> > >> > Rocky Smolin >> > Beach Access Software >> > 858-259-4334 >> > www.bchacc.com www.e-z-mrp.com >> > >> > Skype: rocky.smolin >> > >> > -- >> > AccessD mailing list >> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> > >> -- >> AccessD mailing list >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> -- >> AccessD mailing list >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> > > From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Sat Oct 13 11:28:17 2012 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2012 09:28:17 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Needing a Fourth Conditional Format In-Reply-To: References: <83D7A9822A8547A3983A336A390B7560@HAL9007> Message-ID: <58D30B20AB4547C2908787E88E9C3E0F@HAL9007> Thanks - I'll give it a try Rocky -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Doug Steele Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2012 8:50 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Needing a Fourth Conditional Format Without trying it, my guess is that if three conditions work when you create them manually, four conditions should work if you build them in code. Shouldn't take long to build a simple test. Doug On Sat, Oct 13, 2012 at 8:46 AM, Rocky Smolin wrote: > Doug: > > Not sure this will work for a continuous form where a control (text > box) changes backcolor depending on its value in that record. > > What do you think? > > Rocky > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Doug Steele > Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2012 8:38 AM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Needing a Fourth Conditional Format > > Hi Rocky: > > You can build format conditions in code; I think there isn't a limit > of three. Here's a sample I use from a Form_Load event: > > txMargin1.FormatConditions.Delete > txMargin1.FormatConditions.Add acExpression, , "[txMargin1] <> 0 and > [txMargin1] < " & MarginPct1 > txMargin1.FormatConditions(0).BackColor = 255 'red > txMargin1.FormatConditions.Add acExpression, , "[txMargin1] <> 0 and > [txMargin1] < " & MarginPct2 > txMargin1.FormatConditions(1).BackColor = 33023 'orange > > This article shows an example with 4 conditions: > http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/office/aa139965(v=office.10).a > spx > > I used code because I had a ton of fields in a form, all with > identical format conditions, and it is WAY easier to modify code than > laboriously work your way through the wizard for each field. In the > example above, the client wanted colouring depending on an adjustable > profit margin. > > Doug > > > On Sat, Oct 13, 2012 at 8:23 AM, Rocky Smolin >wrote: > > > Dear List: > > > > I'm making a Gantt chart of scheduled classes for a client - an > > interactive form where he can scroll forward and backward by a day, > > a week, a month, or a year. The course statuses are Scheduled, > > Complete and Cancelled. The bars showing the date are color coded > > red, green and brown. And it's a continuous form. > > > > Working well. Until... > > > > The user wants to be able to mark a course a Tentatively Scheduled > > (reserving the space, but not yet booked). So there's a check box > > on the Course Schedule form for tentative. > > > > However, he wants the tentatively scheduled class to show on the > > chart with a different color (I'd go with pink but that's not important, now). > > > > It looks like I need a fourth condition but of course conditional > > formatting only give you three conditions. > > > > I"m stumped (without redesigning the approach of the whole form - > > not a pleasant prospect). Any ideas welcome. > > > > MTIA > > > > Rocky Smolin > > Beach Access Software > > 858-259-4334 > > www.bchacc.com www.e-z-mrp.com > > > > Skype: rocky.smolin > > > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From df.waters at comcast.net Sat Oct 13 14:23:40 2012 From: df.waters at comcast.net (Dan Waters) Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2012 14:23:40 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Needing a Fourth Conditional Format In-Reply-To: <83D7A9822A8547A3983A336A390B7560@HAL9007> References: <83D7A9822A8547A3983A336A390B7560@HAL9007> Message-ID: <001601cda978$40cae1e0$c260a5a0$@comcast.net> Access 2007+ supports 50 conditional formats. Dan -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2012 10:23 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: [AccessD] Needing a Fourth Conditional Format Dear List: I'm making a Gantt chart of scheduled classes for a client - an interactive form where he can scroll forward and backward by a day, a week, a month, or a year. The course statuses are Scheduled, Complete and Cancelled. The bars showing the date are color coded red, green and brown. And it's a continuous form. Working well. Until... The user wants to be able to mark a course a Tentatively Scheduled (reserving the space, but not yet booked). So there's a check box on the Course Schedule form for tentative. However, he wants the tentatively scheduled class to show on the chart with a different color (I'd go with pink but that's not important, now). It looks like I need a fourth condition but of course conditional formatting only give you three conditions. I"m stumped (without redesigning the approach of the whole form - not a pleasant prospect). Any ideas welcome. MTIA Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software 858-259-4334 www.bchacc.com www.e-z-mrp.com Skype: rocky.smolin -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Sat Oct 13 14:33:51 2012 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2012 12:33:51 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Needing a Fourth Conditional Format In-Reply-To: <001601cda978$40cae1e0$c260a5a0$@comcast.net> References: <83D7A9822A8547A3983A336A390B7560@HAL9007> <001601cda978$40cae1e0$c260a5a0$@comcast.net> Message-ID: Gotta stay with 2003 for the time being. R -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2012 12:24 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Needing a Fourth Conditional Format Access 2007+ supports 50 conditional formats. Dan -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2012 10:23 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: [AccessD] Needing a Fourth Conditional Format Dear List: I'm making a Gantt chart of scheduled classes for a client - an interactive form where he can scroll forward and backward by a day, a week, a month, or a year. The course statuses are Scheduled, Complete and Cancelled. The bars showing the date are color coded red, green and brown. And it's a continuous form. Working well. Until... The user wants to be able to mark a course a Tentatively Scheduled (reserving the space, but not yet booked). So there's a check box on the Course Schedule form for tentative. However, he wants the tentatively scheduled class to show on the chart with a different color (I'd go with pink but that's not important, now). It looks like I need a fourth condition but of course conditional formatting only give you three conditions. I"m stumped (without redesigning the approach of the whole form - not a pleasant prospect). Any ideas welcome. MTIA Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software 858-259-4334 www.bchacc.com www.e-z-mrp.com Skype: rocky.smolin -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From ssharkins at gmail.com Sat Oct 13 14:58:42 2012 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2012 15:58:42 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Needing a Fourth Conditional Format References: <83D7A9822A8547A3983A336A390B7560@HAL9007><001601cda978$40cae1e0$c260a5a0$@comcast.net> Message-ID: <380DF7AD054540ECA8C49B602F83B1E5@SusanHarkins> If you're just formatting the class status and you've used all three, could you color some other field a fourth color? It's been a long time in Access, but I'm assuming the 3-format limit is per control and not per form, right? I'd leave the status field as is and color the class name (or some other field), when the Tentative checkbox is checked. Susan H. > Gotta stay with 2003 for the time being. > > R > > > Dear List: > > I'm making a Gantt chart of scheduled classes for a client - an > interactive > form where he can scroll forward and backward by a day, a week, a month, > or > a year. The course statuses are Scheduled, Complete and Cancelled. The > bars showing the date are color coded red, green and brown. And it's a > continuous form. > > Working well. Until... > > The user wants to be able to mark a course a Tentatively Scheduled > (reserving the space, but not yet booked). So there's a check box on the > Course Schedule form for tentative. > > However, he wants the tentatively scheduled class to show on the chart > with > a different color (I'd go with pink but that's not important, now). > > It looks like I need a fourth condition but of course conditional > formatting > only give you three conditions. > > I"m stumped (without redesigning the approach of the whole form - not a > pleasant prospect). Any ideas welcome. From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Sat Oct 13 15:06:16 2012 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2012 13:06:16 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Needing a Fourth Conditional Format In-Reply-To: <380DF7AD054540ECA8C49B602F83B1E5@SusanHarkins> References: <83D7A9822A8547A3983A336A390B7560@HAL9007><001601cda978$40cae1e0$c260a5a0$@comcast.net> <380DF7AD054540ECA8C49B602F83B1E5@SusanHarkins> Message-ID: For the moment I have added (tent) after the class name which prints under the colored bar indicating the start and end of the class to indicate tentative scheduling. It's the same color as a non-tentative scheduled class so he may want some other visual cue that it's tentative. Let's see how the user likes it. Your idea might work - the scheduled class is in red - I could conditionally format the back color of the class info of a tentative class in pink. R -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2012 12:59 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Needing a Fourth Conditional Format If you're just formatting the class status and you've used all three, could you color some other field a fourth color? It's been a long time in Access, but I'm assuming the 3-format limit is per control and not per form, right? I'd leave the status field as is and color the class name (or some other field), when the Tentative checkbox is checked. Susan H. > Gotta stay with 2003 for the time being. > > R > > > Dear List: > > I'm making a Gantt chart of scheduled classes for a client - an > interactive form where he can scroll forward and backward by a day, a > week, a month, or a year. The course statuses are Scheduled, Complete > and Cancelled. The bars showing the date are color coded red, green > and brown. And it's a continuous form. > > Working well. Until... > > The user wants to be able to mark a course a Tentatively Scheduled > (reserving the space, but not yet booked). So there's a check box on > the Course Schedule form for tentative. > > However, he wants the tentatively scheduled class to show on the chart > with a different color (I'd go with pink but that's not important, > now). > > It looks like I need a fourth condition but of course conditional > formatting only give you three conditions. > > I"m stumped (without redesigning the approach of the whole form - not > a pleasant prospect). Any ideas welcome. -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au Sun Oct 14 17:17:10 2012 From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins) Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2012 22:17:10 +0000 Subject: [AccessD] Needing a Fourth Conditional Format In-Reply-To: <380DF7AD054540ECA8C49B602F83B1E5@SusanHarkins> References: <83D7A9822A8547A3983A336A390B7560@HAL9007><001601cda978$40cae1e0$c260a5a0$@comcast.net> <380DF7AD054540ECA8C49B602F83B1E5@SusanHarkins> Message-ID: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B534309612@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com> Yeah, that is the 'trick' we used to use in Excel. Set the base format as the 4th condition. Of course this assumes you really do only have 4 conditions - and not a default 5th one (such as black text, white background). Anyway... If the code approach offered by others works, then all this is moot anyway. Cheers Darryl. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins Sent: Sunday, 14 October 2012 6:59 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Needing a Fourth Conditional Format If you're just formatting the class status and you've used all three, could you color some other field a fourth color? It's been a long time in Access, but I'm assuming the 3-format limit is per control and not per form, right? I'd leave the status field as is and color the class name (or some other field), when the Tentative checkbox is checked. Susan H. > Gotta stay with 2003 for the time being. > > R > > > Dear List: > > I'm making a Gantt chart of scheduled classes for a client - an > interactive form where he can scroll forward and backward by a day, a > week, a month, or a year. The course statuses are Scheduled, Complete > and Cancelled. The bars showing the date are color coded red, green > and brown. And it's a continuous form. > > Working well. Until... > > The user wants to be able to mark a course a Tentatively Scheduled > (reserving the space, but not yet booked). So there's a check box on > the Course Schedule form for tentative. > > However, he wants the tentatively scheduled class to show on the chart > with a different color (I'd go with pink but that's not important, > now). > > It looks like I need a fourth condition but of course conditional > formatting only give you three conditions. > > I"m stumped (without redesigning the approach of the whole form - not > a pleasant prospect). Any ideas welcome. -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Sun Oct 14 17:31:14 2012 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2012 15:31:14 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Needing a Fourth Conditional Format In-Reply-To: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B534309612@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com> References: <83D7A9822A8547A3983A336A390B7560@HAL9007><001601cda978$40cae1e0$c260a5a0$@comcast.net><380DF7AD054540ECA8C49B602F83B1E5@SusanHarkins> <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B534309612@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com> Message-ID: Well, now that you say it that way, there is a fifth which is transparent background, IOW no class scheduled for that day. Rocky -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darryl Collins Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2012 3:17 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Needing a Fourth Conditional Format Yeah, that is the 'trick' we used to use in Excel. Set the base format as the 4th condition. Of course this assumes you really do only have 4 conditions - and not a default 5th one (such as black text, white background). Anyway... If the code approach offered by others works, then all this is moot anyway. Cheers Darryl. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins Sent: Sunday, 14 October 2012 6:59 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Needing a Fourth Conditional Format If you're just formatting the class status and you've used all three, could you color some other field a fourth color? It's been a long time in Access, but I'm assuming the 3-format limit is per control and not per form, right? I'd leave the status field as is and color the class name (or some other field), when the Tentative checkbox is checked. Susan H. > Gotta stay with 2003 for the time being. > > R > > > Dear List: > > I'm making a Gantt chart of scheduled classes for a client - an > interactive form where he can scroll forward and backward by a day, a > week, a month, or a year. The course statuses are Scheduled, Complete > and Cancelled. The bars showing the date are color coded red, green > and brown. And it's a continuous form. > > Working well. Until... > > The user wants to be able to mark a course a Tentatively Scheduled > (reserving the space, but not yet booked). So there's a check box on > the Course Schedule form for tentative. > > However, he wants the tentatively scheduled class to show on the chart > with a different color (I'd go with pink but that's not important, > now). > > It looks like I need a fourth condition but of course conditional > formatting only give you three conditions. > > I"m stumped (without redesigning the approach of the whole form - not > a pleasant prospect). Any ideas welcome. -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Tue Oct 16 08:32:54 2012 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2012 09:32:54 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] =?windows-1252?q?Apple_=27hasn=27t_really_run_out_of_iP?= =?windows-1252?q?hone_5s_AT_ALL=27_=95_The_Register?= Message-ID: <507D6206.5000709@colbyconsulting.com> LOL in extreme. http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/09/17/apple_iphone_5_shortage/ -- John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it From accessd at shaw.ca Tue Oct 16 09:07:05 2012 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2012 07:07:05 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Apple 'hasn't really run out of iPhone 5s AT ALL' . The Register In-Reply-To: <507D6206.5000709@colbyconsulting.com> References: <507D6206.5000709@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <07A4AA9BAC2546BBB3CD139408591559@creativesystemdesigns.com> It has been suggested that by 2030 half of the US economy will be comprised of people selling the Chinese made iPhones to one another. So goes the iPhone so goes America. ;-) http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/09/11/iphone_to_account_for_half_of_us_eco nomy/ Jim -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2012 6:33 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: [AccessD] Apple 'hasn't really run out of iPhone 5s AT ALL' . The Register LOL in extreme. http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/09/17/apple_iphone_5_shortage/ -- John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Tue Oct 16 09:51:43 2012 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2012 10:51:43 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Apple 'hasn't really run out of iPhone 5s AT ALL' . The Register In-Reply-To: <07A4AA9BAC2546BBB3CD139408591559@creativesystemdesigns.com> References: <507D6206.5000709@colbyconsulting.com> <07A4AA9BAC2546BBB3CD139408591559@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: <507D747F.4090902@colbyconsulting.com> >It has been suggested that by 2030 half of the US economy will be comprised of people selling the Chinese made iPhones to one another. So goes the iPhone so goes America. The nice part about that though is that Apple is so predictable. No longer will we have ups and downs as the housing market dives or wall street crashes, the economy will be nice and smooth as iWidgets sell on and on to the legions of iDrones. Think of all the jobs in transportation, shipping, sales, marketing. John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it On 10/16/2012 10:07 AM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/09/11/iphone_to_account_for_half_of_us_eco > nomy/ From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Tue Oct 16 10:14:51 2012 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2012 08:14:51 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Apple 'hasn't really run out of iPhone 5s AT ALL' . The Register In-Reply-To: <507D6206.5000709@colbyconsulting.com> References: <507D6206.5000709@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <43618DCA481546FCBF53BE727B3E374C@HAL9007> As the article says: Some people will believe anything." Is this source believable? Or is that elaborate disinformation? R -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2012 6:33 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: [AccessD] Apple 'hasn't really run out of iPhone 5s AT ALL' . The Register LOL in extreme. http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/09/17/apple_iphone_5_shortage/ -- John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Tue Oct 16 10:49:40 2012 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2012 11:49:40 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Apple 'hasn't really run out of iPhone 5s AT ALL' . The Register In-Reply-To: <43618DCA481546FCBF53BE727B3E374C@HAL9007> References: <507D6206.5000709@colbyconsulting.com> <43618DCA481546FCBF53BE727B3E374C@HAL9007> Message-ID: <507D8214.9060900@colbyconsulting.com> LOL. It is humor, strictly humor. Like much humor it starts with a grain of believability. But if you want humor, read the comments after. John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it On 10/16/2012 11:14 AM, Rocky Smolin wrote: > As the article says: Some people will believe anything." > > Is this source believable? Or is that elaborate disinformation? > > R > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby > Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2012 6:33 AM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: [AccessD] Apple 'hasn't really run out of iPhone 5s AT ALL' . The > Register > > LOL in extreme. > > http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/09/17/apple_iphone_5_shortage/ > > -- > John W. Colby > Colby Consulting > > Reality is what refuses to go away > when you do not believe in it > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From accessd at shaw.ca Tue Oct 16 11:23:25 2012 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2012 09:23:25 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Apple 'hasn't really run out of iPhone 5s AT ALL' . The Register In-Reply-To: <507D747F.4090902@colbyconsulting.com> References: <507D6206.5000709@colbyconsulting.com><07A4AA9BAC2546BBB3CD139408591559@creativesystemdesigns.com> <507D747F.4090902@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: And don't forget selling iTunes in this new iMarket. ;-) Jim -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2012 7:52 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Apple 'hasn't really run out of iPhone 5s AT ALL' . The Register >It has been suggested that by 2030 half of the US economy will be comprised of people selling the Chinese made iPhones to one another. So goes the iPhone so goes America. The nice part about that though is that Apple is so predictable. No longer will we have ups and downs as the housing market dives or wall street crashes, the economy will be nice and smooth as iWidgets sell on and on to the legions of iDrones. Think of all the jobs in transportation, shipping, sales, marketing. John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it On 10/16/2012 10:07 AM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/09/11/iphone_to_account_for_half_of_us_eco > nomy/ -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au Tue Oct 16 17:32:12 2012 From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins) Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2012 22:32:12 +0000 Subject: [AccessD] =?windows-1252?q?Apple_=27hasn=27t_really_run_out_of_iP?= =?windows-1252?q?hone_5s_AT_ALL=27_=95_The_Register?= In-Reply-To: <507D6206.5000709@colbyconsulting.com> References: <507D6206.5000709@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B53430A476@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com> I would totally agree with this view. It is prime marketing 101 and creating desire by restricting supply. I would also agree Apple maybe in bother, but I have covered this before in early posts so I won't repeat it here. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: Wednesday, 17 October 2012 12:33 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: [AccessD] Apple 'hasn't really run out of iPhone 5s AT ALL' ? The Register LOL in extreme. http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/09/17/apple_iphone_5_shortage/ -- John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Wed Oct 17 08:14:14 2012 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2012 09:14:14 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] 2 Questions concerning lists of fields and indexes Message-ID: I'm having a senior moment. I can't remember how, given a table name, to: 1. Iterate through its field list 2. identify the field(s) involved in its PK TIA, Arthur From Lambert.Heenan at chartisinsurance.com Wed Oct 17 08:25:02 2012 From: Lambert.Heenan at chartisinsurance.com (Heenan, Lambert) Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2012 09:25:02 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] 2 Questions concerning lists of fields and indexes In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Air Code... Dim fld as DAO.Field Dim Td As DAO.TableDef ' iterating the fields Set Td = CurrentDb.TableDefs(strYourTableName) For Each fld in Td.Fields Debug.Print fld.Name Next fld ' Code from an old App... ' Indexes Dim cntKey as Integer Dim curIdxFld As Field Dim cntIdx As Integer Dim curFld As Field For cntKey = 0 To Td.Indexes.Count - 1 Set curIdx = Td.Indexes(cntKey) '** Loop though all the fields in the current index For cntIdx = 0 To curIdx.Fields.Count - 1 Set curIdxFld = curIdx.Fields(cntIdx) '* is the current field part of the primary key? If (curFld.Name = curIdxFld.Name) And (curIdx.Primary = True) Then ' log your primary key setting here End If Next cntIdx ' move to next field in the current index Next cntKey ' move to next index in current table Lambert -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2012 9:14 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: [AccessD] 2 Questions concerning lists of fields and indexes I'm having a senior moment. I can't remember how, given a table name, to: 1. Iterate through its field list 2. identify the field(s) involved in its PK TIA, Arthur -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From BradM at blackforestltd.com Wed Oct 17 08:40:37 2012 From: BradM at blackforestltd.com (Brad Marks) Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2012 08:40:37 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] SQL Puzzler References: Message-ID: All, I recently received a user request and have started work on an SQL statement to meet this request. After several hours of work on the SQL Statement, I am starting to pull my hair out. This request involves a purchased software package. We cannot change the definition of the tables. I am using Access 2007 via ODBC to pull data from this purchased package to create a number of reports. The system has a Sales Order table with one Sales Order per row. Connected to the Sales Order table is the "Attachments" table. This table stores the Sales Order ID, a description of the attachment, and the path to the attachment. In the "description of the attachment" field there are key words which describe the "type" of attachment (artwork, photo, customer-service). Currently there is a report that shows various Sales Order fields (one line on the report per Sales Order). Included on the report, is an indicator to show if there are any attachments for a given Sales Order. This is all working nicely. Now, there is a need to indicate which "type" of attachments are connected to specific Sales Orders (still keeping with one report line per Sales Order). By using a "Switch" and a "Like" in an SQL statement like this - Switch([DESCRIPT] Like "*Photo*","Photo",True,"") AS Photo I can obtain a field that returns the word "Photo" if this word is found in the description. (I also have similar code for artwork and customer-service) The catch is that this approach returns one record for each attachment. Now I need to somehow summarize or combine the returned rows (one summary row per Sales Order in order to achieve one line on the report per Sales Order). This is where I am hitting the wall. Has anyone else ever tried something along these lines? Thanks, Brad From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Wed Oct 17 08:59:03 2012 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2012 06:59:03 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] 2 Questions concerning lists of fields and indexes In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <67E7E2580BFD4DDA99A5E3C87DF7F4C3@HAL9007> Dim fld as Field Dim db as DAO.Database Dim rs as DAO.Recordset Set rs = db.OpenRecordset("tblFoo") For Each fld In rs.Fields msgbox fld.Name Next fld rs.Close Set rs = Nothing HTH Rocky -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2012 6:14 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: [AccessD] 2 Questions concerning lists of fields and indexes I'm having a senior moment. I can't remember how, given a table name, to: 1. Iterate through its field list 2. identify the field(s) involved in its PK TIA, Arthur -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Wed Oct 17 09:12:24 2012 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2012 10:12:24 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] SQL Puzzler In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I think I have a solution, but first I need to confirm or deny a few ground rules: 1. Is the Attachment-Type list fixed (i.e. nothing unexpected to be found)? 2. Is every Sales Order guaranteed to have at least one Attachment of a known type? 3. If the answers to 1 and 2 are Yes, would an output something like this be acceptable: Sales Order # Artwork Photo Customer-Service 123 Y Y 234 Y 345 Y Y Y Or, if the answer to question 2 is No, then such row might look like this: 456 Arthur From BradM at blackforestltd.com Wed Oct 17 09:29:31 2012 From: BradM at blackforestltd.com (Brad Marks) Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2012 09:29:31 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] SQL Puzzler References: Message-ID: Arthur, Thanks for your help. To answer your questions... 1. Is the Attachment-Type list fixed (i.e. nothing unexpected to be found)? No, the Attachment Type is simply a free-form text field. However, our users have said that the keywords "Art", "Photo" or "CS" (Customer Service) will be in this field if there are attachments. 2. Is every Sales Order guaranteed to have at least one Attachment of a known type? No. Many Sales Orders have no attachments. Other Sales Orders have one or more attachments. Some Sales Orders have multiple attachments of different types (both "Art" and "Photo" for example). 3. If the answers to 1 and 2 are Yes, would an output something like this be acceptable: This Output would work nicely. Thanks, Brad ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com on behalf of Arthur Fuller Sent: Wed 10/17/2012 9:12 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] SQL Puzzler I think I have a solution, but first I need to confirm or deny a few ground rules: 1. Is the Attachment-Type list fixed (i.e. nothing unexpected to be found)? 2. Is every Sales Order guaranteed to have at least one Attachment of a known type? 3. If the answers to 1 and 2 are Yes, would an output something like this be acceptable: Sales Order # Artwork Photo Customer-Service 123 Y Y 234 Y 345 Y Y Y Or, if the answer to question 2 is No, then such row might look like this: 456 Arthur -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. From fuller.artful at gmail.com Wed Oct 17 10:19:27 2012 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2012 11:19:27 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] SQL Puzzler In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Brad, Just so I'd have some data to work with, I added OrderDate to the SalesOrder table, with SalesOrderID being ANPK. Then I added a few rows to the Attachments table: *SalesOrders* SalesOrderID OrderDate 1 16/10/2012 2 17/10/2012 3 18/10/2012 4 18/10/2012 *Attachments* AttachmentID SalesOrderID Description 1 1 Photo, Customer-Service 2 2 Customer-Service 3 3 Artwork, Photo Then I created the following query: SELECT SalesOrders.SalesOrderID, SalesOrders.OrderDate, IIf(InStr([Description],"Artwork")>0,"Y","") AS Artwork, IIf(InStr([Description],"Photo")>0,"Y","") AS Photo, IIf(InStr([Description],"Customer-Service")>0,"Y","") AS [Customer-Service] FROM SalesOrders LEFT JOIN Attachments ON SalesOrders.SalesOrderID = Attachments.SalesOrderID; Which results in this output: *qrySalesByAttachmentType* SalesOrderID OrderDate Artwork Photo Customer-Service 1 16/10/2012 Y Y 2 17/10/2012 Y 3 18/10/2012 Y Y 4 18/10/2012 Is this what you had in mind? If so, there you go. If you need to tweak it a tad, at least you've got a place to begin. Arthur From fuller.artful at gmail.com Wed Oct 17 10:35:19 2012 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2012 11:35:19 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] 2 Questions concerning lists of fields and indexes In-Reply-To: <67E7E2580BFD4DDA99A5E3C87DF7F4C3@HAL9007> References: <67E7E2580BFD4DDA99A5E3C87DF7F4C3@HAL9007> Message-ID: Thanks, Lambert and Rocky. I'm off to the races now. I'm resurrecting an old utility project and can't locate the original code, so I'm rewriting it. When it's done I'll post it. A. From BradM at blackforestltd.com Wed Oct 17 10:49:00 2012 From: BradM at blackforestltd.com (Brad Marks) Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2012 10:49:00 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] SQL Puzzler References: Message-ID: Arthur, I believe that your approach will work. Thanks for your ideas and insights. I really appreciate the assistance. Brad ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com on behalf of Arthur Fuller Sent: Wed 10/17/2012 10:19 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] SQL Puzzler Brad, Just so I'd have some data to work with, I added OrderDate to the SalesOrder table, with SalesOrderID being ANPK. Then I added a few rows to the Attachments table: *SalesOrders* SalesOrderID OrderDate 1 16/10/2012 2 17/10/2012 3 18/10/2012 4 18/10/2012 *Attachments* AttachmentID SalesOrderID Description 1 1 Photo, Customer-Service 2 2 Customer-Service 3 3 Artwork, Photo Then I created the following query: SELECT SalesOrders.SalesOrderID, SalesOrders.OrderDate, IIf(InStr([Description],"Artwork")>0,"Y","") AS Artwork, IIf(InStr([Description],"Photo")>0,"Y","") AS Photo, IIf(InStr([Description],"Customer-Service")>0,"Y","") AS [Customer-Service] FROM SalesOrders LEFT JOIN Attachments ON SalesOrders.SalesOrderID = Attachments.SalesOrderID; Which results in this output: *qrySalesByAttachmentType* SalesOrderID OrderDate Artwork Photo Customer-Service 1 16/10/2012 Y Y 2 17/10/2012 Y 3 18/10/2012 Y Y 4 18/10/2012 Is this what you had in mind? If so, there you go. If you need to tweak it a tad, at least you've got a place to begin. Arthur -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Wed Oct 17 15:29:22 2012 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2012 06:29:22 +1000 Subject: [AccessD] SQL Puzzler In-Reply-To: References: , , Message-ID: <507F1522.26940.22AD34EA@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> As I understand Brad's requirement is more like the folloing slight amendment to Arthur's code. Trim$(IIf(InStr([Description],"Artwork")>0,"Art ","") & IIf(InStr([Description],"Photo")>0,"Pho ","") & IIf(InStr([Description],"Customer-Service")>0,"CS ","")) AS [Attachments] Which would return the following fields for the three records: Pho CS CS Art Pho -- Stuart On 17 Oct 2012 at 11:19, Arthur Fuller wrote: > Brad, > > Just so I'd have some data to work with, I added OrderDate to the > SalesOrder table, with SalesOrderID being ANPK. Then I added a few rows to > the Attachments table: > > > *SalesOrders* SalesOrderID OrderDate 1 16/10/2012 2 17/10/2012 3 > 18/10/2012 4 18/10/2012 *Attachments* AttachmentID SalesOrderID > Description 1 1 Photo, Customer-Service 2 2 Customer-Service 3 3 Artwork, > Photo > Then I created the following query: > > > SELECT > SalesOrders.SalesOrderID, > SalesOrders.OrderDate, > IIf(InStr([Description],"Artwork")>0,"Y","") AS Artwork, > IIf(InStr([Description],"Photo")>0,"Y","") AS Photo, > IIf(InStr([Description],"Customer-Service")>0,"Y","") AS > [Customer-Service] > FROM > SalesOrders LEFT JOIN Attachments > ON SalesOrders.SalesOrderID = Attachments.SalesOrderID; > > > Which results in this output: > > *qrySalesByAttachmentType* SalesOrderID OrderDate Artwork Photo > Customer-Service 1 16/10/2012 > Y Y 2 17/10/2012 > > Y 3 18/10/2012 Y Y > 4 18/10/2012 > > > > Is this what you had in mind? If so, there you go. If you need to tweak it > a tad, at least you've got a place to begin. > > Arthur > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From phpons at gmail.com Thu Oct 18 04:18:24 2012 From: phpons at gmail.com (Philippe lelynx) Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2012 11:18:24 +0200 Subject: [AccessD] Excel2007-2010: Non linearity in 100% stacked bar chart Message-ID: Hi all, Excel2007-2010 The 100% stacked bar chart has a non linear behaviour! Experiment: You build a 100% stacked bar chart based on 2 cells, each containing a percentage value, the sum of them being 100%. The proportion of each bar is ok until 83%-17%. Starting from 84%-16% until 100%, the 84% bar becomes smaller than the 17% bar. NB: with Excel 2002, the 100% stacked bar chart is ok! Did you get this already? Any hints? Thank's in advance, Philippe From fuller.artful at gmail.com Thu Oct 18 11:52:01 2012 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2012 12:52:01 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] 2 Questions concerning lists of fields and indexes In-Reply-To: References: <67E7E2580BFD4DDA99A5E3C87DF7F4C3@HAL9007> Message-ID: Lambert, You said you copied this from an old app. So I can't figure out why it won't compile in Access 2007. Perhaps it's because I always preface my modules with Option Database and Option Explicit? ' Code from an old App... ' Indexes Dim cntKey as Integer Dim curIdxFld As Field Dim cntIdx As Integer Dim curFld As Field For cntKey = 0 To Td.Indexes.Count - 1 Set curIdx = Td.Indexes(cntKey) '** Loop though all the fields in the current index For cntIdx = 0 To curIdx.Fields.Count - 1 Set curIdxFld = curIdx.Fields(cntIdx) '* is the current field part of the primary key? If (curFld.Name = curIdxFld.Name) And (curIdx.Primary = True) Then ' log your primary key setting here End If Next cntIdx ' move to next field in the current index Next cntKey ' move to next index in current table -- Arthur Cell: 647.710.1314 Memory is that part of the brain that, umm, I forget, but it does something useful, I think. -- Arthur Fuller From marksimms at verizon.net Thu Oct 18 11:54:36 2012 From: marksimms at verizon.net (marksimms at verizon.net) Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2012 11:54:36 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [AccessD] Excel2007-2010: Non linearity in 100% stacked bar chart Message-ID: <14517434.316500.1350579276131.JavaMail.root@vznit170182> Witnessed this in other charts as well. Hint: move to 2013 preview edition....2010 will never get fixed. From charlotte.foust at gmail.com Thu Oct 18 12:08:10 2012 From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust) Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2012 10:08:10 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] 2 Questions concerning lists of fields and indexes In-Reply-To: References: <67E7E2580BFD4DDA99A5E3C87DF7F4C3@HAL9007> Message-ID: That's your problem, Arthur. You're using curIdx in the code but it isn't specifically dimmed. Charlotte On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 9:52 AM, Arthur Fuller wrote: > Lambert, > > You said you copied this from an old app. So I can't figure out why it > won't compile in Access 2007. Perhaps it's because I always preface my > modules with Option Database and Option Explicit? > > > ' Code from an old App... > ' Indexes > Dim cntKey as Integer > Dim curIdxFld As Field > Dim cntIdx As Integer > Dim curFld As Field > > For cntKey = 0 To Td.Indexes.Count - 1 > Set curIdx = Td.Indexes(cntKey) > '** Loop though all the fields in the current index > For cntIdx = 0 To curIdx.Fields.Count - 1 > Set curIdxFld = curIdx.Fields(cntIdx) > '* is the current field part of the primary key? > If (curFld.Name = curIdxFld.Name) And (curIdx.Primary = True) Then > ' log your primary key setting here > End If > Next cntIdx ' move to next field in the current index > Next cntKey ' move to next index in current table > > -- > Arthur > Cell: 647.710.1314 > > Memory is that part of the brain that, umm, I forget, but it does something > useful, I think. > -- Arthur Fuller > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Thu Oct 18 12:35:32 2012 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2012 13:35:32 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Race and Beyond: Right-Wing Executives Threaten Employees Over Election Results | Center for American Progress Message-ID: <50803DE4.5050604@colbyconsulting.com> Ya gotta love the rich. "We'll just fire ya if we lose the election!" http://www.americanprogress.org/issues/race/news/2012/10/16/41706/race-and-beyond-right-wing-executives-threaten-employees-over-election-results/ -- John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it From Lambert.Heenan at chartisinsurance.com Thu Oct 18 12:54:08 2012 From: Lambert.Heenan at chartisinsurance.com (Heenan, Lambert) Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2012 13:54:08 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] 2 Questions concerning lists of fields and indexes In-Reply-To: References: <67E7E2580BFD4DDA99A5E3C87DF7F4C3@HAL9007> Message-ID: Sorry about that folks, I had just crudely snipped some code out of a procedure. curIdx should indeed be dimmed as Dim curIdx As Index Here is the whole procedure, which has some code in there for saving the info to tables for a table documenter tool I adapted from an old Access magazine years ago. '---Begin DAO Code-------- Function DocumentTables(Optional sDbName As Variant) Dim db As Database Dim DbToDoc As Database Dim rstTables As Recordset, rstTblDetail As Recordset Dim curTbl As TableDef Dim curFld As Field, curIdxFld As Field Dim curIdx As Index Dim cntTbls As Integer, cntFlds As Integer, cntKey As Integer Dim cntIdx As Integer Dim myTableName As String Dim tempLastF As String Const NO_DESC_FOUND = 3270 On Error GoTo DocumentTables_err Set db = DBEngine(0)(0) 'Set db = CurrentDb If IsMissing(sDbName) Then Set DbToDoc = db Else Set DbToDoc = OpenDatabase(sDbName) End If ClearLastResultSet '** Open the destination tables Set rstTables = db.OpenRecordset("USysTables") Set rstTblDetail = db.OpenRecordset("USysTableDetails") '** Empty the destination tables If rstTables.RecordCount <> 0 Then MyStatusText "Please wait..." Do While Not rstTables.EOF MyStatusText "Removing : " & rstTables.Fields("TableName") rstTables.Delete rstTables.MoveNext Loop End If MyStatusText "" If rstTblDetail.RecordCount <> 0 Then Do While Not rstTblDetail.EOF MyStatusText "Removing : " & rstTblDetail("TableName") rstTblDetail.Delete rstTblDetail.MoveNext Loop End If '** Loop though all the tables in the database For cntTbls = 0 To DbToDoc.TableDefs.Count - 1 Set curTbl = DbToDoc.TableDefs(cntTbls) myTableName = curTbl.Name MyStatusText "Checking " & myTableName '** if the table is an MS system object ignore it If left(curTbl.Name, 4) <> "MSys" Then rstTables.AddNew '** Add a new record rstTables("TableName") = curTbl.Name rstTables("DateCreated") = curTbl.DateCreated rstTables("DateUpdated") = curTbl.LastUpdated If curTbl.Connect <> "" Then rstTables("Description") = curTbl.Properties("Description") rstTables("Connect") = curTbl.Connect Else rstTables("Description") = curTbl.Properties("Description") End If rstTables.Update '** Save the record '** Loop though all the fields in the current table For cntFlds = 0 To curTbl.Fields.Count - 1 'If Left(curFld.Name, 4) = "bCur" Then Stop Set curFld = curTbl.Fields(cntFlds) MyStatusText "Checking " & myTableName & " : field-" & curFld.Name rstTblDetail.AddNew '* add a record rstTblDetail("TableName") = curTbl.Name rstTblDetail("FieldName") = curFld.Name rstTblDetail("DataType") = GetFieldDataType(curFld) rstTblDetail("Size") = curFld.Size rstTblDetail("OrdinalPosition") = curFld.OrdinalPosition 'rstTblDetail("Description") = curFld.Properties("Description") Dim oProp As Property For Each oProp In curFld.Properties If oProp.Name = "InputMask" Then rstTblDetail("InputMask") = oProp.Value End If Next oProp '** Loop though all the indexes in the current table For cntKey = 0 To curTbl.Indexes.Count - 1 Set curIdx = curTbl.Indexes(cntKey) '** Loop though all the fields in the current index For cntIdx = 0 To curIdx.Fields.Count - 1 Set curIdxFld = curIdx.Fields(cntIdx) '* is the current field part of the primary key? If (curFld.Name = curIdxFld.Name) And (curIdx.Primary = True) Then rstTblDetail("PrimaryKey") = True End If Next cntIdx ' move to next field in the current index Next cntKey ' move to next index in current table rstTblDetail.Update Next cntFlds End If Next cntTbls DocumentTable_Leave: MyStatusText "" Exit Function DocumentTables_err: ' * If a table's description is blank, ignore the rror If Err = NO_DESC_FOUND Then Resume Next End If MsgBox "In DocumentTable. Error " & Err & " is: " & Error Resume DocumentTable_Leave End Function '----End Code ------- Lambert -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2012 1:08 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] 2 Questions concerning lists of fields and indexes That's your problem, Arthur. You're using curIdx in the code but it isn't specifically dimmed. Charlotte On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 9:52 AM, Arthur Fuller wrote: > Lambert, > > You said you copied this from an old app. So I can't figure out why it > won't compile in Access 2007. Perhaps it's because I always preface my > modules with Option Database and Option Explicit? > > > ' Code from an old App... > ' Indexes > Dim cntKey as Integer > Dim curIdxFld As Field > Dim cntIdx As Integer > Dim curFld As Field > > For cntKey = 0 To Td.Indexes.Count - 1 > Set curIdx = Td.Indexes(cntKey) > '** Loop though all the fields in the current index > For cntIdx = 0 To curIdx.Fields.Count - 1 > Set curIdxFld = curIdx.Fields(cntIdx) > '* is the current field part of the primary key? > If (curFld.Name = curIdxFld.Name) And (curIdx.Primary = True) Then > ' log your primary key setting here > End If > Next cntIdx ' move to next field in the current index Next cntKey > ' move to next index in current table > -- > Arthur > Cell: 647.710.1314 > > Memory is that part of the brain that, umm, I forget, but it does > something useful, I think. > -- Arthur Fuller > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Thu Oct 18 14:01:43 2012 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2012 12:01:43 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Race and Beyond: Right-Wing Executives Threaten Employees Over Election Results | Center for American Progress In-Reply-To: <50803DE4.5050604@colbyconsulting.com> References: <50803DE4.5050604@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <3AE31665D2834B5EBE24FD0A62B43CBF@creativesystemdesigns.com> Evil. Jim -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2012 10:36 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: [AccessD] Race and Beyond: Right-Wing Executives Threaten Employees Over Election Results | Center for American Progress Ya gotta love the rich. "We'll just fire ya if we lose the election!" http://www.americanprogress.org/issues/race/news/2012/10/16/41706/race-and-b eyond-right-wing-executives-threaten-employees-over-election-results/ -- John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From carbonnb at gmail.com Thu Oct 18 14:23:54 2012 From: carbonnb at gmail.com (Bryan Carbonnell) Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2012 15:23:54 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Race and Beyond: Right-Wing Executives Threaten Employees Over Election Results | Center for American Progress In-Reply-To: <3AE31665D2834B5EBE24FD0A62B43CBF@creativesystemdesigns.com> References: <50803DE4.5050604@colbyconsulting.com> <3AE31665D2834B5EBE24FD0A62B43CBF@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: And this belongs over on OT not here. B On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 3:01 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > Evil. > > Jim > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby > Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2012 10:36 AM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: [AccessD] Race and Beyond: Right-Wing Executives Threaten Employees > Over Election Results | Center for American Progress > > Ya gotta love the rich. "We'll just fire ya if we lose the election!" > > http://www.americanprogress.org/issues/race/news/2012/10/16/41706/race-and-b > eyond-right-wing-executives-threaten-employees-over-election-results/ > > -- > John W. Colby > Colby Consulting > > Reality is what refuses to go away > when you do not believe in it > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "What a great ride!" From john at winhaven.net Thu Oct 18 14:31:25 2012 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2012 14:31:25 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Race and Beyond: Right-Wing Executives Threaten Employees Over Election Results | Center for American Progress In-Reply-To: References: <50803DE4.5050604@colbyconsulting.com> <3AE31665D2834B5EBE24FD0A62B43CBF@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: <003401cdad67$29be3360$7d3a9a20$@winhaven.net> Agree totally. I even ignore this kind of thread on OT! Not that I agree or disagree, just don't want to get into it. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bryan Carbonnell Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2012 2:24 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Race and Beyond: Right-Wing Executives Threaten Employees Over Election Results | Center for American Progress And this belongs over on OT not here. B On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 3:01 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > Evil. > > Jim > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby > Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2012 10:36 AM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: [AccessD] Race and Beyond: Right-Wing Executives Threaten > Employees Over Election Results | Center for American Progress > > Ya gotta love the rich. "We'll just fire ya if we lose the election!" > > http://www.americanprogress.org/issues/race/news/2012/10/16/41706/race > -and-b > eyond-right-wing-executives-threaten-employees-over-election-results/ > > -- > John W. Colby > Colby Consulting > > Reality is what refuses to go away > when you do not believe in it > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "What a great ride!" -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Thu Oct 18 16:16:20 2012 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2012 14:16:20 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Race and Beyond: Right-Wing Executives ThreatenEmployees Over Election Results | Center for American Progress In-Reply-To: <003401cdad67$29be3360$7d3a9a20$@winhaven.net> References: <50803DE4.5050604@colbyconsulting.com> <3AE31665D2834B5EBE24FD0A62B43CBF@creativesystemdesigns.com> <003401cdad67$29be3360$7d3a9a20$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: <4C8A221C0BA64897A110D342BCCB0369@HAL9007> This is why OT got started 12 years ago. R -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2012 12:31 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Race and Beyond: Right-Wing Executives ThreatenEmployees Over Election Results | Center for American Progress Agree totally. I even ignore this kind of thread on OT! Not that I agree or disagree, just don't want to get into it. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bryan Carbonnell Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2012 2:24 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Race and Beyond: Right-Wing Executives Threaten Employees Over Election Results | Center for American Progress And this belongs over on OT not here. B On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 3:01 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > Evil. > > Jim > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby > Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2012 10:36 AM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: [AccessD] Race and Beyond: Right-Wing Executives Threaten > Employees Over Election Results | Center for American Progress > > Ya gotta love the rich. "We'll just fire ya if we lose the election!" > > http://www.americanprogress.org/issues/race/news/2012/10/16/41706/race > -and-b > eyond-right-wing-executives-threaten-employees-over-election-results/ > > -- > John W. Colby > Colby Consulting > > Reality is what refuses to go away > when you do not believe in it > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "What a great ride!" -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au Thu Oct 18 18:33:37 2012 From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins) Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2012 23:33:37 +0000 Subject: [AccessD] Excel2007-2010: Non linearity in 100% stacked bar chart In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B534319185@HKXPRD0410MB376.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com> This would not surprise me, I know in XL2007 when it was first released that the charting features in Excel was not 100% functional or complete (including VBA as well - indeed in VBA much of it just didn't work at all). MSoft did include numerous improvements and fixes in XL2010 (and Office 2007 SP1), but I am sure it is still lacking in some areas. For a good overview of what is good, bad, ugly I suggest the following link is worth a quick visit <> Jon Peltier is one of the leading voices on Excel and Charts. Cheers Darryl -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Philippe lelynx Sent: Thursday, 18 October 2012 8:18 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: [AccessD] Excel2007-2010: Non linearity in 100% stacked bar chart Hi all, Excel2007-2010 The 100% stacked bar chart has a non linear behaviour! Experiment: You build a 100% stacked bar chart based on 2 cells, each containing a percentage value, the sum of them being 100%. The proportion of each bar is ok until 83%-17%. Starting from 84%-16% until 100%, the 84% bar becomes smaller than the 17% bar. NB: with Excel 2002, the 100% stacked bar chart is ok! Did you get this already? Any hints? Thank's in advance, Philippe -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz Thu Oct 18 20:14:27 2012 From: newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz (David Emerson) Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2012 14:14:27 +1300 Subject: [AccessD] Access Not Opening after moved Server Message-ID: <006a01cdad97$15cf5a70$416e0f50$@dalyn.co.nz> Team, I have an adp linked to an SQL database. A client has changed the server that they store their user files on. The SQL database has not been moved, only the ADP to another server. The new server is mapped to the G:\ drive. This was also the previous mapping on the old server. When the client tries to open the Access file on their new server nothing happens. They also can't create new Access databases on the new server in their G:\ drive either. If they change their mapping of the G:\ drive to their old server everything works. I vaguely recollect that it may be something to do with read/write permissions on the new server but can't findanything on the internet. Any pointers? Regards David Emerson Dalyn Software Ltd Wellington, New Zealand From newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz Thu Oct 18 20:25:37 2012 From: newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz (David Emerson) Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2012 14:25:37 +1300 Subject: [AccessD] Access Not Opening after moved Server In-Reply-To: <006a01cdad97$15cf5a70$416e0f50$@dalyn.co.nz> References: <006a01cdad97$15cf5a70$416e0f50$@dalyn.co.nz> Message-ID: <007201cdad98$a50031a0$ef0094e0$@dalyn.co.nz> Found the problem - The mapped folder needed to be made a trusted location. This was Accesss 2010. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of David Emerson Sent: Friday, 19 October 2012 2:14 p.m. To: AccessD Subject: [AccessD] Access Not Opening after moved Server Team, I have an adp linked to an SQL database. A client has changed the server that they store their user files on. The SQL database has not been moved, only the ADP to another server. The new server is mapped to the G:\ drive. This was also the previous mapping on the old server. When the client tries to open the Access file on their new server nothing happens. They also can't create new Access databases on the new server in their G:\ drive either. If they change their mapping of the G:\ drive to their old server everything works. I vaguely recollect that it may be something to do with read/write permissions on the new server but can't findanything on the internet. Any pointers? Regards David Emerson Dalyn Software Ltd Wellington, New Zealand From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Fri Oct 19 10:31:06 2012 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2012 08:31:06 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] A2K3 on a Mac in parallels Message-ID: I have a prospect evaluating my manufacturing system on a Mac using Parallels. I develop and distribute as an mde the A2K3 version. He is running A2K10. When running a report he gets an error 2426 - The function you entered can't be used in this expression. Any ideas why and what to solution might be? MTIA Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software 858-259-4334 www.bchacc.com www.e-z-mrp.com Skype: rocky.smolin From dbdoug at gmail.com Fri Oct 19 10:55:07 2012 From: dbdoug at gmail.com (Doug Steele) Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2012 08:55:07 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] A2K3 on a Mac in parallels In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: This is a shot in the dark, but are you using any Windows API calls in your A2003 database? I recently had a problem where a client was running one of my A2003 dbs in A2010 and (despite the fact that it had been running OK for months) it started giving errors which I traced back to API calls in my Open Dialog code. I can't remember the exact error, but it was one of those misleading ones :) Doug On Fri, Oct 19, 2012 at 8:31 AM, Rocky Smolin wrote: > I have a prospect evaluating my manufacturing system on a Mac using > Parallels. I develop and distribute as an mde the A2K3 version. He is > running A2K10. > > When running a report he gets an error 2426 - The function you entered > can't > be used in this expression. > > Any ideas why and what to solution might be? > > MTIA > > Rocky Smolin > Beach Access Software > 858-259-4334 > www.bchacc.com > www.e-z-mrp.com > Skype: rocky.smolin > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Fri Oct 19 10:58:24 2012 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2012 08:58:24 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] A2K3 on a Mac in parallels In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2E41861F7A0B4F5AB0ADE3DF675C6333@HAL9007> Probably not the problem as I have an A2K10 test bed box and the report runs in A2K10. I do have a Mac and so I suppose I'm going to have to get Parallels myself and try it out. Maybe re-compiling it on the Mac will change something? Rocky -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Doug Steele Sent: Friday, October 19, 2012 8:55 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2K3 on a Mac in parallels This is a shot in the dark, but are you using any Windows API calls in your A2003 database? I recently had a problem where a client was running one of my A2003 dbs in A2010 and (despite the fact that it had been running OK for months) it started giving errors which I traced back to API calls in my Open Dialog code. I can't remember the exact error, but it was one of those misleading ones :) Doug On Fri, Oct 19, 2012 at 8:31 AM, Rocky Smolin wrote: > I have a prospect evaluating my manufacturing system on a Mac using > Parallels. I develop and distribute as an mde the A2K3 version. He > is running A2K10. > > When running a report he gets an error 2426 - The function you entered > can't be used in this expression. > > Any ideas why and what to solution might be? > > MTIA > > Rocky Smolin > Beach Access Software > 858-259-4334 > www.bchacc.com www.e-z-mrp.com > > Skype: rocky.smolin > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From dbdoug at gmail.com Fri Oct 19 11:07:58 2012 From: dbdoug at gmail.com (Doug Steele) Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2012 09:07:58 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] A2K3 on a Mac in parallels In-Reply-To: <2E41861F7A0B4F5AB0ADE3DF675C6333@HAL9007> References: <2E41861F7A0B4F5AB0ADE3DF675C6333@HAL9007> Message-ID: I'm doing all my A2010 development in Parallels - haven't had any problems so far with the 3 databases for A2010 clients. Doug On Fri, Oct 19, 2012 at 8:58 AM, Rocky Smolin wrote: > Probably not the problem as I have an A2K10 test bed box and the report > runs > in A2K10. > > I do have a Mac and so I suppose I'm going to have to get Parallels myself > and try it out. Maybe re-compiling it on the Mac will change something? > > Rocky > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Doug Steele > Sent: Friday, October 19, 2012 8:55 AM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2K3 on a Mac in parallels > > This is a shot in the dark, but are you using any Windows API calls in your > A2003 database? I recently had a problem where a client was running one of > my A2003 dbs in A2010 and (despite the fact that it had been running OK for > months) it started giving errors which I traced back to API calls in my > Open > Dialog code. I can't remember the exact error, but it was one of those > misleading ones :) > > Doug > > On Fri, Oct 19, 2012 at 8:31 AM, Rocky Smolin >wrote: > > > I have a prospect evaluating my manufacturing system on a Mac using > > Parallels. I develop and distribute as an mde the A2K3 version. He > > is running A2K10. > > > > When running a report he gets an error 2426 - The function you entered > > can't be used in this expression. > > > > Any ideas why and what to solution might be? > > > > MTIA > > > > Rocky Smolin > > Beach Access Software > > 858-259-4334 > > www.bchacc.com www.e-z-mrp.com > > > > Skype: rocky.smolin > > > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Fri Oct 19 12:31:42 2012 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2012 10:31:42 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Rounding Problem? Message-ID: <21C3E7C4792B47EFBA0850527B139CAD@HAL9007> Dear List: I have an app in which I allow the user to set a preference for the number of decimal places they want to display in currency fields. In the purchasing module this works well for 1, 2, or 3 decimal places. But I have a user who sent me a database where he has selected to display 4 decimal places (God knows why) and a PO with 6 line items. The Quantity Ordered, Unit Price, and Extension are as follows: 3500 1.3000 4550.0000 3500 1.3000 4550.0000 3000 1.3000 3900.0000 2000 0.2600 520.0000 2000 0.2600 520.0000 2000 0.2600 520.0000 The sub-total should add up to 14560 and with 2, or 3 decimal places it does. But if I go to 4 as shown then the sub total (Control Source: =Sum([fldPODUnitCost]*[fldPODQuantityOrdered]) )shows as 14,559.9998. One or more of those lines apparently does not have an exact decimal equivalent in binary but they all display correctly in the detail. Both text boxes are Format Standard. Any clue what the solution is? MTIA Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software 858-259-4334 www.bchacc.com www.e-z-mrp.com Skype: rocky.smolin From Gustav at cactus.dk Fri Oct 19 12:43:47 2012 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2012 19:43:47 +0200 Subject: [AccessD] Rounding Problem? Message-ID: Hi Rocky That is most likely because you are not using data type Currency. If I do that, the sum runs to 14560.0000 /gustav >>> rockysmolin at bchacc.com 19-10-12 19:31 >>> Dear List: I have an app in which I allow the user to set a preference for the number of decimal places they want to display in currency fields. In the purchasing module this works well for 1, 2, or 3 decimal places. But I have a user who sent me a database where he has selected to display 4 decimal places (God knows why) and a PO with 6 line items. The Quantity Ordered, Unit Price, and Extension are as follows: 3500 1.3000 4550.0000 3500 1.3000 4550.0000 3000 1.3000 3900.0000 2000 0.2600 520.0000 2000 0.2600 520.0000 2000 0.2600 520.0000 The sub-total should add up to 14560 and with 2, or 3 decimal places it does. But if I go to 4 as shown then the sub total (Control Source: =Sum([fldPODUnitCost]*[fldPODQuantityOrdered]) )shows as 14,559.9998. One or more of those lines apparently does not have an exact decimal equivalent in binary but they all display correctly in the detail. Both text boxes are Format Standard. Any clue what the solution is? MTIA Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software 858-259-4334 www.bchacc.com www.e-z-mrp.com Skype: rocky.smolin From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Fri Oct 19 13:07:15 2012 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2012 11:07:15 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Rounding Problem? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Could it be that simple? Wait...let me try...rats..no cigar. The sub total still comes out 14,559.9998. And if I use Currency format it shows the $ which I need to not see as the app supports multiple currencies and there's a user preference for their currency symbol. Which is why I went with standard. Any other ideas? I'm stumped. Thanks Rocky -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: Friday, October 19, 2012 10:44 AM To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [AccessD] Rounding Problem? Hi Rocky That is most likely because you are not using data type Currency. If I do that, the sum runs to 14560.0000 /gustav >>> rockysmolin at bchacc.com 19-10-12 19:31 >>> Dear List: I have an app in which I allow the user to set a preference for the number of decimal places they want to display in currency fields. In the purchasing module this works well for 1, 2, or 3 decimal places. But I have a user who sent me a database where he has selected to display 4 decimal places (God knows why) and a PO with 6 line items. The Quantity Ordered, Unit Price, and Extension are as follows: 3500 1.3000 4550.0000 3500 1.3000 4550.0000 3000 1.3000 3900.0000 2000 0.2600 520.0000 2000 0.2600 520.0000 2000 0.2600 520.0000 The sub-total should add up to 14560 and with 2, or 3 decimal places it does. But if I go to 4 as shown then the sub total (Control Source: =Sum([fldPODUnitCost]*[fldPODQuantityOrdered]) )shows as 14,559.9998. One or more of those lines apparently does not have an exact decimal equivalent in binary but they all display correctly in the detail. Both text boxes are Format Standard. Any clue what the solution is? MTIA Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software 858-259-4334 www.bchacc.com www.e-z-mrp.com Skype: rocky.smolin -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Fri Oct 19 13:15:38 2012 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2012 11:15:38 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Rounding Problem? References: Message-ID: However, Gustav, I do see one line item which displayed 3000 1.3000 3900.0000 when formatted Standard but when formatted Currency displays 3000 1.3000 3899.9998. This is the same part number as the line before it which displays 3500 1.3000 4550.0000 correctly whether formatted Currency or Standard. Any clues there? TIA Rocky -----Original Message----- From: Rocky Smolin [mailto:rockysmolin at bchacc.com] Sent: Friday, October 19, 2012 11:07 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: RE: [AccessD] Rounding Problem? Could it be that simple? Wait...let me try...rats..no cigar. The sub total still comes out 14,559.9998. And if I use Currency format it shows the $ which I need to not see as the app supports multiple currencies and there's a user preference for their currency symbol. Which is why I went with standard. Any other ideas? I'm stumped. Thanks Rocky -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: Friday, October 19, 2012 10:44 AM To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [AccessD] Rounding Problem? Hi Rocky That is most likely because you are not using data type Currency. If I do that, the sum runs to 14560.0000 /gustav >>> rockysmolin at bchacc.com 19-10-12 19:31 >>> Dear List: I have an app in which I allow the user to set a preference for the number of decimal places they want to display in currency fields. In the purchasing module this works well for 1, 2, or 3 decimal places. But I have a user who sent me a database where he has selected to display 4 decimal places (God knows why) and a PO with 6 line items. The Quantity Ordered, Unit Price, and Extension are as follows: 3500 1.3000 4550.0000 3500 1.3000 4550.0000 3000 1.3000 3900.0000 2000 0.2600 520.0000 2000 0.2600 520.0000 2000 0.2600 520.0000 The sub-total should add up to 14560 and with 2, or 3 decimal places it does. But if I go to 4 as shown then the sub total (Control Source: =Sum([fldPODUnitCost]*[fldPODQuantityOrdered]) )shows as 14,559.9998. One or more of those lines apparently does not have an exact decimal equivalent in binary but they all display correctly in the detail. Both text boxes are Format Standard. Any clue what the solution is? MTIA Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software 858-259-4334 www.bchacc.com www.e-z-mrp.com Skype: rocky.smolin -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Lambert.Heenan at chartisinsurance.com Fri Oct 19 13:20:54 2012 From: Lambert.Heenan at chartisinsurance.com (Heenan, Lambert) Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2012 14:20:54 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Rounding Problem? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: What's the data type of the underlying field in your table? Lambert -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: Friday, October 19, 2012 2:16 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Rounding Problem? However, Gustav, I do see one line item which displayed 3000 1.3000 3900.0000 when formatted Standard but when formatted Currency displays 3000 1.3000 3899.9998. This is the same part number as the line before it which displays 3500 1.3000 4550.0000 correctly whether formatted Currency or Standard. Any clues there? TIA Rocky -----Original Message----- From: Rocky Smolin [mailto:rockysmolin at bchacc.com] Sent: Friday, October 19, 2012 11:07 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: RE: [AccessD] Rounding Problem? Could it be that simple? Wait...let me try...rats..no cigar. The sub total still comes out 14,559.9998. And if I use Currency format it shows the $ which I need to not see as the app supports multiple currencies and there's a user preference for their currency symbol. Which is why I went with standard. Any other ideas? I'm stumped. Thanks Rocky -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: Friday, October 19, 2012 10:44 AM To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [AccessD] Rounding Problem? Hi Rocky That is most likely because you are not using data type Currency. If I do that, the sum runs to 14560.0000 /gustav >>> rockysmolin at bchacc.com 19-10-12 19:31 >>> Dear List: I have an app in which I allow the user to set a preference for the number of decimal places they want to display in currency fields. In the purchasing module this works well for 1, 2, or 3 decimal places. But I have a user who sent me a database where he has selected to display 4 decimal places (God knows why) and a PO with 6 line items. The Quantity Ordered, Unit Price, and Extension are as follows: 3500 1.3000 4550.0000 3500 1.3000 4550.0000 3000 1.3000 3900.0000 2000 0.2600 520.0000 2000 0.2600 520.0000 2000 0.2600 520.0000 The sub-total should add up to 14560 and with 2, or 3 decimal places it does. But if I go to 4 as shown then the sub total (Control Source: =Sum([fldPODUnitCost]*[fldPODQuantityOrdered]) )shows as 14,559.9998. One or more of those lines apparently does not have an exact decimal equivalent in binary but they all display correctly in the detail. Both text boxes are Format Standard. Any clue what the solution is? MTIA Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software 858-259-4334 www.bchacc.com www.e-z-mrp.com Skype: rocky.smolin -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Fri Oct 19 13:31:43 2012 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2012 11:31:43 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Rounding Problem? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4C8254E18E784D399CC42FB51075A8AA@HAL9007> Single. I changed it to Double to see if that made a difference but it did not. Now I'm thinking of a major kludge where I take the number and multiply by 10 to the power of the number of decimal places, add .5, take the FIX() and divide back. Really would hate to go that route. There's gotta be an answer here somewhere. TIA Rocky R -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan, Lambert Sent: Friday, October 19, 2012 11:21 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Rounding Problem? What's the data type of the underlying field in your table? Lambert -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: Friday, October 19, 2012 2:16 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Rounding Problem? However, Gustav, I do see one line item which displayed 3000 1.3000 3900.0000 when formatted Standard but when formatted Currency displays 3000 1.3000 3899.9998. This is the same part number as the line before it which displays 3500 1.3000 4550.0000 correctly whether formatted Currency or Standard. Any clues there? TIA Rocky -----Original Message----- From: Rocky Smolin [mailto:rockysmolin at bchacc.com] Sent: Friday, October 19, 2012 11:07 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: RE: [AccessD] Rounding Problem? Could it be that simple? Wait...let me try...rats..no cigar. The sub total still comes out 14,559.9998. And if I use Currency format it shows the $ which I need to not see as the app supports multiple currencies and there's a user preference for their currency symbol. Which is why I went with standard. Any other ideas? I'm stumped. Thanks Rocky -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: Friday, October 19, 2012 10:44 AM To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [AccessD] Rounding Problem? Hi Rocky That is most likely because you are not using data type Currency. If I do that, the sum runs to 14560.0000 /gustav >>> rockysmolin at bchacc.com 19-10-12 19:31 >>> Dear List: I have an app in which I allow the user to set a preference for the number of decimal places they want to display in currency fields. In the purchasing module this works well for 1, 2, or 3 decimal places. But I have a user who sent me a database where he has selected to display 4 decimal places (God knows why) and a PO with 6 line items. The Quantity Ordered, Unit Price, and Extension are as follows: 3500 1.3000 4550.0000 3500 1.3000 4550.0000 3000 1.3000 3900.0000 2000 0.2600 520.0000 2000 0.2600 520.0000 2000 0.2600 520.0000 The sub-total should add up to 14560 and with 2, or 3 decimal places it does. But if I go to 4 as shown then the sub total (Control Source: =Sum([fldPODUnitCost]*[fldPODQuantityOrdered]) )shows as 14,559.9998. One or more of those lines apparently does not have an exact decimal equivalent in binary but they all display correctly in the detail. Both text boxes are Format Standard. Any clue what the solution is? MTIA Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software 858-259-4334 www.bchacc.com www.e-z-mrp.com Skype: rocky.smolin -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Lambert.Heenan at chartisinsurance.com Fri Oct 19 13:33:31 2012 From: Lambert.Heenan at chartisinsurance.com (Heenan, Lambert) Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2012 14:33:31 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Rounding Problem? In-Reply-To: <4C8254E18E784D399CC42FB51075A8AA@HAL9007> References: <4C8254E18E784D399CC42FB51075A8AA@HAL9007> Message-ID: Have you tried making the field in the table Currency? Lambert -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: Friday, October 19, 2012 2:32 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Rounding Problem? Single. I changed it to Double to see if that made a difference but it did not. Now I'm thinking of a major kludge where I take the number and multiply by 10 to the power of the number of decimal places, add .5, take the FIX() and divide back. Really would hate to go that route. There's gotta be an answer here somewhere. TIA Rocky R -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan, Lambert Sent: Friday, October 19, 2012 11:21 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Rounding Problem? What's the data type of the underlying field in your table? Lambert -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: Friday, October 19, 2012 2:16 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Rounding Problem? However, Gustav, I do see one line item which displayed 3000 1.3000 3900.0000 when formatted Standard but when formatted Currency displays 3000 1.3000 3899.9998. This is the same part number as the line before it which displays 3500 1.3000 4550.0000 correctly whether formatted Currency or Standard. Any clues there? TIA Rocky -----Original Message----- From: Rocky Smolin [mailto:rockysmolin at bchacc.com] Sent: Friday, October 19, 2012 11:07 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: RE: [AccessD] Rounding Problem? Could it be that simple? Wait...let me try...rats..no cigar. The sub total still comes out 14,559.9998. And if I use Currency format it shows the $ which I need to not see as the app supports multiple currencies and there's a user preference for their currency symbol. Which is why I went with standard. Any other ideas? I'm stumped. Thanks Rocky -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: Friday, October 19, 2012 10:44 AM To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [AccessD] Rounding Problem? Hi Rocky That is most likely because you are not using data type Currency. If I do that, the sum runs to 14560.0000 /gustav >>> rockysmolin at bchacc.com 19-10-12 19:31 >>> Dear List: I have an app in which I allow the user to set a preference for the number of decimal places they want to display in currency fields. In the purchasing module this works well for 1, 2, or 3 decimal places. But I have a user who sent me a database where he has selected to display 4 decimal places (God knows why) and a PO with 6 line items. The Quantity Ordered, Unit Price, and Extension are as follows: 3500 1.3000 4550.0000 3500 1.3000 4550.0000 3000 1.3000 3900.0000 2000 0.2600 520.0000 2000 0.2600 520.0000 2000 0.2600 520.0000 The sub-total should add up to 14560 and with 2, or 3 decimal places it does. But if I go to 4 as shown then the sub total (Control Source: =Sum([fldPODUnitCost]*[fldPODQuantityOrdered]) )shows as 14,559.9998. One or more of those lines apparently does not have an exact decimal equivalent in binary but they all display correctly in the detail. Both text boxes are Format Standard. Any clue what the solution is? MTIA Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software 858-259-4334 www.bchacc.com www.e-z-mrp.com Skype: rocky.smolin -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jimdettman at verizon.net Fri Oct 19 13:38:23 2012 From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman) Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2012 14:38:23 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Rounding Problem? In-Reply-To: <21C3E7C4792B47EFBA0850527B139CAD@HAL9007> References: <21C3E7C4792B47EFBA0850527B139CAD@HAL9007> Message-ID: Look at the data type. As for the number of decimals, I have an extensive mfg background and I don't consider four to be unusual for a cost on a PO. I've seen some systems that allow any number of decimals and have been pushed out to six. Many systems also have different precision masks for different units (ie. Inv Qty, Cost, Time, BOM Qty, Yields, etc). Some handle the decimal problem by supplying a UOM with each qty. For example, in PO's, Qty might be based on Each's, but a price might be stated at a UOM of Gross's. That allows the same number of decimals to be used for both qty's. Jim. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: Friday, October 19, 2012 01:32 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: [AccessD] Rounding Problem? Dear List: I have an app in which I allow the user to set a preference for the number of decimal places they want to display in currency fields. In the purchasing module this works well for 1, 2, or 3 decimal places. But I have a user who sent me a database where he has selected to display 4 decimal places (God knows why) and a PO with 6 line items. The Quantity Ordered, Unit Price, and Extension are as follows: 3500 1.3000 4550.0000 3500 1.3000 4550.0000 3000 1.3000 3900.0000 2000 0.2600 520.0000 2000 0.2600 520.0000 2000 0.2600 520.0000 The sub-total should add up to 14560 and with 2, or 3 decimal places it does. But if I go to 4 as shown then the sub total (Control Source: =Sum([fldPODUnitCost]*[fldPODQuantityOrdered]) )shows as 14,559.9998. One or more of those lines apparently does not have an exact decimal equivalent in binary but they all display correctly in the detail. Both text boxes are Format Standard. Any clue what the solution is? MTIA Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software 858-259-4334 www.bchacc.com www.e-z-mrp.com Skype: rocky.smolin -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jimdettman at verizon.net Fri Oct 19 13:41:21 2012 From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman) Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2012 14:41:21 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Rounding Problem? In-Reply-To: <4C8254E18E784D399CC42FB51075A8AA@HAL9007> References: <4C8254E18E784D399CC42FB51075A8AA@HAL9007> Message-ID: That's the ticket! Or in other words, you always want to use a scaled integer to avoid rounding issues (sorry). Even with currency, that's only scaled to four decimals. Go beyond that and you'll see rounding errors at some point. Our you could go with the approach I outlined in my other e-mail. If you do decide on multiple UOM's, I've got some conversion code to translate between UOM's. Jim. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: Friday, October 19, 2012 02:32 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Rounding Problem? Single. I changed it to Double to see if that made a difference but it did not. Now I'm thinking of a major kludge where I take the number and multiply by 10 to the power of the number of decimal places, add .5, take the FIX() and divide back. Really would hate to go that route. There's gotta be an answer here somewhere. TIA Rocky R -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan, Lambert Sent: Friday, October 19, 2012 11:21 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Rounding Problem? What's the data type of the underlying field in your table? Lambert -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: Friday, October 19, 2012 2:16 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Rounding Problem? However, Gustav, I do see one line item which displayed 3000 1.3000 3900.0000 when formatted Standard but when formatted Currency displays 3000 1.3000 3899.9998. This is the same part number as the line before it which displays 3500 1.3000 4550.0000 correctly whether formatted Currency or Standard. Any clues there? TIA Rocky -----Original Message----- From: Rocky Smolin [mailto:rockysmolin at bchacc.com] Sent: Friday, October 19, 2012 11:07 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: RE: [AccessD] Rounding Problem? Could it be that simple? Wait...let me try...rats..no cigar. The sub total still comes out 14,559.9998. And if I use Currency format it shows the $ which I need to not see as the app supports multiple currencies and there's a user preference for their currency symbol. Which is why I went with standard. Any other ideas? I'm stumped. Thanks Rocky -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: Friday, October 19, 2012 10:44 AM To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [AccessD] Rounding Problem? Hi Rocky That is most likely because you are not using data type Currency. If I do that, the sum runs to 14560.0000 /gustav >>> rockysmolin at bchacc.com 19-10-12 19:31 >>> Dear List: I have an app in which I allow the user to set a preference for the number of decimal places they want to display in currency fields. In the purchasing module this works well for 1, 2, or 3 decimal places. But I have a user who sent me a database where he has selected to display 4 decimal places (God knows why) and a PO with 6 line items. The Quantity Ordered, Unit Price, and Extension are as follows: 3500 1.3000 4550.0000 3500 1.3000 4550.0000 3000 1.3000 3900.0000 2000 0.2600 520.0000 2000 0.2600 520.0000 2000 0.2600 520.0000 The sub-total should add up to 14560 and with 2, or 3 decimal places it does. But if I go to 4 as shown then the sub total (Control Source: =Sum([fldPODUnitCost]*[fldPODQuantityOrdered]) )shows as 14,559.9998. One or more of those lines apparently does not have an exact decimal equivalent in binary but they all display correctly in the detail. Both text boxes are Format Standard. Any clue what the solution is? MTIA Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software 858-259-4334 www.bchacc.com www.e-z-mrp.com Skype: rocky.smolin -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Fri Oct 19 13:47:41 2012 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2012 11:47:41 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Rounding Problem? In-Reply-To: References: <4C8254E18E784D399CC42FB51075A8AA@HAL9007> Message-ID: <4D1FE637ABD946D0A595BF73B16F7363@HAL9007> Lambert: That worked! Thanks. Hate to make changes to the back end since I have a lot of these databases out there to support. But since no one up to now wanted to see more than 2-3 decimal places in the PO I may not need to update everybody. At least I'll know what to do if the situation comes up. Don't think I'll have the problem in N.A and Europe - this guy's in Malaysia. Thanks Rocky -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan, Lambert Sent: Friday, October 19, 2012 11:34 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Rounding Problem? Have you tried making the field in the table Currency? Lambert -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: Friday, October 19, 2012 2:32 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Rounding Problem? Single. I changed it to Double to see if that made a difference but it did not. Now I'm thinking of a major kludge where I take the number and multiply by 10 to the power of the number of decimal places, add .5, take the FIX() and divide back. Really would hate to go that route. There's gotta be an answer here somewhere. TIA Rocky R -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan, Lambert Sent: Friday, October 19, 2012 11:21 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Rounding Problem? What's the data type of the underlying field in your table? Lambert -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: Friday, October 19, 2012 2:16 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Rounding Problem? However, Gustav, I do see one line item which displayed 3000 1.3000 3900.0000 when formatted Standard but when formatted Currency displays 3000 1.3000 3899.9998. This is the same part number as the line before it which displays 3500 1.3000 4550.0000 correctly whether formatted Currency or Standard. Any clues there? TIA Rocky -----Original Message----- From: Rocky Smolin [mailto:rockysmolin at bchacc.com] Sent: Friday, October 19, 2012 11:07 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: RE: [AccessD] Rounding Problem? Could it be that simple? Wait...let me try...rats..no cigar. The sub total still comes out 14,559.9998. And if I use Currency format it shows the $ which I need to not see as the app supports multiple currencies and there's a user preference for their currency symbol. Which is why I went with standard. Any other ideas? I'm stumped. Thanks Rocky -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: Friday, October 19, 2012 10:44 AM To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [AccessD] Rounding Problem? Hi Rocky That is most likely because you are not using data type Currency. If I do that, the sum runs to 14560.0000 /gustav >>> rockysmolin at bchacc.com 19-10-12 19:31 >>> Dear List: I have an app in which I allow the user to set a preference for the number of decimal places they want to display in currency fields. In the purchasing module this works well for 1, 2, or 3 decimal places. But I have a user who sent me a database where he has selected to display 4 decimal places (God knows why) and a PO with 6 line items. The Quantity Ordered, Unit Price, and Extension are as follows: 3500 1.3000 4550.0000 3500 1.3000 4550.0000 3000 1.3000 3900.0000 2000 0.2600 520.0000 2000 0.2600 520.0000 2000 0.2600 520.0000 The sub-total should add up to 14560 and with 2, or 3 decimal places it does. But if I go to 4 as shown then the sub total (Control Source: =Sum([fldPODUnitCost]*[fldPODQuantityOrdered]) )shows as 14,559.9998. One or more of those lines apparently does not have an exact decimal equivalent in binary but they all display correctly in the detail. Both text boxes are Format Standard. Any clue what the solution is? MTIA Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software 858-259-4334 www.bchacc.com www.e-z-mrp.com Skype: rocky.smolin -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From charlotte.foust at gmail.com Fri Oct 19 14:17:57 2012 From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust) Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2012 12:17:57 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Rounding Problem? In-Reply-To: <4D1FE637ABD946D0A595BF73B16F7363@HAL9007> References: <4C8254E18E784D399CC42FB51075A8AA@HAL9007> <4D1FE637ABD946D0A595BF73B16F7363@HAL9007> Message-ID: It works because with other numeric formats, you're dealing with precision issues. This has been around forever and demonstrated in plenty of articles. If you are dealing with sales, prices, or anything else related to currency, use a currency datatype for the field. You can format the output however you like and still not cope with fractional values way out to the right of the decimal place. Charlotte On Fri, Oct 19, 2012 at 11:47 AM, Rocky Smolin wrote: > Lambert: > > That worked! Thanks. Hate to make changes to the back end since I have a > lot of these databases out there to support. But since no one up to now > wanted to see more than 2-3 decimal places in the PO I may not need to > update everybody. At least I'll know what to do if the situation comes up. > > > Don't think I'll have the problem in N.A and Europe - this guy's in > Malaysia. > > Thanks > > Rocky > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan, Lambert > Sent: Friday, October 19, 2012 11:34 AM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Rounding Problem? > > Have you tried making the field in the table Currency? > > Lambert > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin > Sent: Friday, October 19, 2012 2:32 PM > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Rounding Problem? > > Single. I changed it to Double to see if that made a difference but it did > not. > > Now I'm thinking of a major kludge where I take the number and multiply by > 10 to the power of the number of decimal places, add .5, take the FIX() and > divide back. Really would hate to go that route. There's gotta be an > answer here somewhere. > > TIA > > Rocky > > > R > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan, Lambert > Sent: Friday, October 19, 2012 11:21 AM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Rounding Problem? > > What's the data type of the underlying field in your table? > > Lambert > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin > Sent: Friday, October 19, 2012 2:16 PM > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Rounding Problem? > > However, Gustav, I do see one line item which displayed 3000 1.3000 > 3900.0000 when formatted Standard but when formatted Currency displays 3000 > 1.3000 3899.9998. > > This is the same part number as the line before it which displays 3500 > 1.3000 4550.0000 correctly whether formatted Currency or Standard. > > Any clues there? > > TIA > > Rocky > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rocky Smolin [mailto:rockysmolin at bchacc.com] > Sent: Friday, October 19, 2012 11:07 AM > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Rounding Problem? > > Could it be that simple? Wait...let me try...rats..no cigar. The sub > total > still comes out 14,559.9998. > > And if I use Currency format it shows the $ which I need to not see as the > app supports multiple currencies and there's a user preference for their > currency symbol. Which is why I went with standard. > > Any other ideas? I'm stumped. > > Thanks > > Rocky > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock > Sent: Friday, October 19, 2012 10:44 AM > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Rounding Problem? > > Hi Rocky > > That is most likely because you are not using data type Currency. > > If I do that, the sum runs to 14560.0000 > > /gustav > > > >>> rockysmolin at bchacc.com 19-10-12 19:31 >>> > Dear List: > > I have an app in which I allow the user to set a preference for the number > of decimal places they want to display in currency fields. > > In the purchasing module this works well for 1, 2, or 3 decimal places. > But > I have a user who sent me a database where he has selected to display 4 > decimal places (God knows why) and a PO with 6 line items. The Quantity > Ordered, Unit Price, and Extension are as follows: > > 3500 1.3000 4550.0000 > 3500 1.3000 4550.0000 > 3000 1.3000 3900.0000 > 2000 0.2600 520.0000 > 2000 0.2600 520.0000 > 2000 0.2600 520.0000 > > The sub-total should add up to 14560 and with 2, or 3 decimal places it > does. > > But if I go to 4 as shown then the sub total (Control Source: > =Sum([fldPODUnitCost]*[fldPODQuantityOrdered]) )shows as 14,559.9998. One > or more of those lines apparently does not have an exact decimal equivalent > in binary but they all display correctly in the detail. > > Both text boxes are Format Standard. > > Any clue what the solution is? > > MTIA > > Rocky Smolin > Beach Access Software > 858-259-4334 > www.bchacc.com www.e-z-mrp.com > > Skype: rocky.smolin > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From Gustav at cactus.dk Fri Oct 19 15:50:18 2012 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2012 22:50:18 +0200 Subject: [AccessD] Rounding Problem? Message-ID: Hi Rocky Yes, as I said, but you wouldn't listen. The sole purpose of having the Currency data type is to prevent issues like this. And it is not an isolated "Asian" issue, so book some time for redesign. /gustav >>> rockysmolin at bchacc.com 19-10-12 20:47 >>> Lambert: That worked! Thanks. Hate to make changes to the back end since I have a lot of these databases out there to support. But since no one up to now wanted to see more than 2-3 decimal places in the PO I may not need to update everybody. At least I'll know what to do if the situation comes up. Don't think I'll have the problem in N.A and Europe - this guy's in Malaysia. Thanks Rocky -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan, Lambert Sent: Friday, October 19, 2012 11:34 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Rounding Problem? Have you tried making the field in the table Currency? From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Sun Oct 21 07:15:43 2012 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2012 08:15:43 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Rounding Problem? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5083E76F.3030802@colbyconsulting.com> LOL, true. A floating point number by definition stores values which may not play well with decimal. Currencies are by definition decimal. The currency data type is used to store numbers in a decimal fashion. There is a down side which is speed. Floating point numbers are handled in hardware whereas the currency data type is handled by a software library. John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it On 10/19/2012 4:50 PM, Gustav Brock wrote: > Hi Rocky > > Yes, as I said, but you wouldn't listen. > > The sole purpose of having the Currency data type is to prevent issues like this. > And it is not an isolated "Asian" issue, so book some time for redesign. > > /gustav > > >>>> rockysmolin at bchacc.com 19-10-12 20:47 >>> > Lambert: > > That worked! Thanks. Hate to make changes to the back end since I have a > lot of these databases out there to support. But since no one up to now > wanted to see more than 2-3 decimal places in the PO I may not need to > update everybody. At least I'll know what to do if the situation comes up. > > > Don't think I'll have the problem in N.A and Europe - this guy's in > Malaysia. > > Thanks > > Rocky > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan, Lambert > Sent: Friday, October 19, 2012 11:34 AM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Rounding Problem? > > Have you tried making the field in the table Currency? > > From garykjos at gmail.com Mon Oct 22 08:14:46 2012 From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos) Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2012 08:14:46 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Minneapolis Access Contract Opportunity Message-ID: A friend of mine is trying to find an Access Developer for a 2 month on site contract with the testing group of a large banking company in the Minneapolis area. If you are interested, contact me offlist at my garykjos at gmail.com email address and I will put you in contact with them. GK -- Gary Kjos garykjos at gmail.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Mon Oct 22 08:21:50 2012 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2012 09:21:50 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] 2 Questions concerning lists of fields and indexes In-Reply-To: References: <67E7E2580BFD4DDA99A5E3C87DF7F4C3@HAL9007> Message-ID: Thanks, Lambert. In this new code there is a call to a Sub called ClearLastResultSet. What does it do? TIA, Arthur From Lambert.Heenan at chartisinsurance.com Mon Oct 22 08:25:38 2012 From: Lambert.Heenan at chartisinsurance.com (Heenan, Lambert) Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2012 09:25:38 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] 2 Questions concerning lists of fields and indexes In-Reply-To: References: <67E7E2580BFD4DDA99A5E3C87DF7F4C3@HAL9007> Message-ID: All it does is empty the tables that the documenting process fills out. All tables are read, list of fields and indexes built up, and then those tables are used to produce a standard Access type report. I can send you the whole application off-list if you like. Lambert -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Monday, October 22, 2012 9:22 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] 2 Questions concerning lists of fields and indexes Thanks, Lambert. In this new code there is a call to a Sub called ClearLastResultSet. What does it do? TIA, Arthur -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Mon Oct 22 08:37:25 2012 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2012 09:37:25 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] 2 Questions concerning lists of fields and indexes In-Reply-To: References: <67E7E2580BFD4DDA99A5E3C87DF7F4C3@HAL9007> Message-ID: I can just whip my own proc to do that, but go ahead and send the whole app if you like. That'd save me the bother. Thanks! A. On Mon, Oct 22, 2012 at 9:25 AM, Heenan, Lambert < Lambert.Heenan at chartisinsurance.com> wrote: > All it does is empty the tables that the documenting process fills out. > All tables are read, list of fields and indexes built up, and then those > tables are used to produce a standard Access type report. > > I can send you the whole application off-list if you like. > > Lambert > > From jackandpat.d at gmail.com Mon Oct 22 08:37:57 2012 From: jackandpat.d at gmail.com (jack drawbridge) Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2012 09:37:57 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] 2 Questions concerning lists of fields and indexes In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Lambert, Perhaps you could post the whole thing here. I'm sure others would like to see it as I would. Thanks, jack On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 9:25 AM, Heenan, Lambert < Lambert.Heenan at chartisinsurance.com> wrote: > Air Code... > > Dim fld as DAO.Field > Dim Td As DAO.TableDef > > ' iterating the fields > > Set Td = CurrentDb.TableDefs(strYourTableName) > > For Each fld in Td.Fields > Debug.Print fld.Name > Next fld > > ' Code from an old App... > ' Indexes > Dim cntKey as Integer > Dim curIdxFld As Field > Dim cntIdx As Integer > Dim curFld As Field > > For cntKey = 0 To Td.Indexes.Count - 1 > Set curIdx = Td.Indexes(cntKey) > '** Loop though all the fields in the current index > For cntIdx = 0 To curIdx.Fields.Count - 1 > Set curIdxFld = curIdx.Fields(cntIdx) > '* is the current field part of the primary key? > If (curFld.Name = curIdxFld.Name) And (curIdx.Primary = True) Then > ' log your primary key setting here > End If > Next cntIdx ' move to next field in the current index > Next cntKey ' move to next index in current table > > Lambert > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto: > accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller > Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2012 9:14 AM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: [AccessD] 2 Questions concerning lists of fields and indexes > > I'm having a senior moment. I can't remember how, given a table name, to: > > 1. Iterate through its field list > 2. identify the field(s) involved in its PK > > TIA, > Arthur > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From BradM at blackforestltd.com Mon Oct 22 09:36:32 2012 From: BradM at blackforestltd.com (Brad Marks) Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2012 09:36:32 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Changing the ODBC Connection String to use UNC - Strange Results References: <67E7E2580BFD4DDA99A5E3C87DF7F4C3@HAL9007> Message-ID: All, We have an Access 2007 application that connects to a FireBird Database via ODBC. This application has worked nicely for several months. There is both a Test and a Production copy of the Firebird Database on a server. I have mapped one drive to point at the Production database and mapped a second drive to point at the Test database. There is VBA code that switches between Test and Production by changing the DbName in Tabledef.Connect. This works nicely with the mapped drives. Recently, I had the idea of using a UNC instead of the mapped drives. I wanted to do this because more users need to access the Test database and I wanted to avoid the need to set up mapped drives on additional PCs. I changed the VBA code to use the UNCs and I am now seeing inconsistent results. Sometimes the switch between Test and Production works, sometimes it does not. (Error 3151 - ODBC Connection Failed). Has anyone else ever run into this issue? I have tried many tests and I cannot understand why this is happening. Thanks, Brad From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Mon Oct 22 12:16:35 2012 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2012 13:16:35 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Changing the ODBC Connection String to use UNC - Strange Results In-Reply-To: References: <67E7E2580BFD4DDA99A5E3C87DF7F4C3@HAL9007> Message-ID: <50857F73.5060303@colbyconsulting.com> IIRC (from the distant past) UNC connections have never been reliable with linked tables. I don't recall much more, it seems to be a long standing bug, never fixed? If you think about it, this is not a "power user" requirement and we all know who the target audience is (hint - not the developer). John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it On 10/22/2012 10:36 AM, Brad Marks wrote: > All, > > We have an Access 2007 application that connects to a FireBird Database > via ODBC. > This application has worked nicely for several months. > > There is both a Test and a Production copy of the Firebird Database on a > server. > > I have mapped one drive to point at the Production database and mapped a > second drive to point at the Test database. > > There is VBA code that switches between Test and Production by changing > the DbName in Tabledef.Connect. > > This works nicely with the mapped drives. > > Recently, I had the idea of using a UNC instead of the mapped drives. I > wanted to do this because more users need to access the Test database > and I wanted to avoid the need to set up mapped drives on additional > PCs. > > I changed the VBA code to use the UNCs and I am now seeing inconsistent > results. > > Sometimes the switch between Test and Production works, sometimes it > does not. (Error 3151 - ODBC Connection Failed). > > Has anyone else ever run into this issue? I have tried many tests and I > cannot understand why this is happening. > > Thanks, > Brad > From df.waters at comcast.net Mon Oct 22 12:40:37 2012 From: df.waters at comcast.net (Dan Waters) Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2012 12:40:37 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Changing the ODBC Connection String to use UNC - Strange Results In-Reply-To: References: <67E7E2580BFD4DDA99A5E3C87DF7F4C3@HAL9007> Message-ID: <003e01cdb07c$58ac1bc0$0a045340$@comcast.net> Hi Brad, I've been doing exactly this for exactly the same reason for many years and it's been very reliable. '--------------------------------------- Code to Refresh: '-- Relink the table if it is a link For Each tdf In dbs.TableDefs '-- Links to MDB If (tdf.Attributes And dbAttachedTable) Then '-- BE Path If tdf.Connect <> stgAdminPath And stgAdminType = "JET" Then tdf.Connect = stgAdminPath tdf.RefreshLink End If End If '-- Links to SQL Server If (tdf.Attributes And dbAttachedODBC) And stgAdminType = "SQL" Then '-- Refresh every time tdf.Connect = stgAdminPath tdf.RefreshLink End If intCount = intCount + 1 Call DisplayPB(intCount) DoEvents Next tdf Note: stgAdminType is an internal variable which tells this code if the tables are in in an MDB file or in SQL Server. stgAdminPath is another internal variable which contains the connection string to the desired mdb file or SQL Server database. '--------------------------------------- However, if your back end is SQL Server and you changed the definition of a table, then the ODBC table link must be recreated, not refreshed. Code to Recreate: '-- Get a list of all ODBC tblCollection For Each tdf In dbs.TableDefs If (Left(tdf.Connect, 4) = "ODBC") Then tblCollection.Add Item:=tdf.Name, Key:=tdf.Name End If Next tdf varProgress = SysCmd(acSysCmdInitMeter, "Recreating " & stgProjectName & " ODBC Table Links", tblCollection.Count) '-- Create new tblCollection using the given DSN after moving the old ones For i = tblCollection.Count To 1 Step -1 stgNameOriginal = tblCollection(i) stgNameTemp = "~" & stgNameOriginal & "~" stgNameSource = dbs.TableDefs(stgNameOriginal).SourceTableName '-- Create the replacement link dbs.TableDefs(stgNameOriginal).Name = stgNameTemp Set tdf = dbs.CreateTableDef(stgNameOriginal, dbAttachSavePWD, stgNameSource, conConnectionString) dbs.TableDefs.Append tdf dbs.TableDefs.Refresh '-- delete the old link DoCmd.DeleteObject acTable, stgNameTemp dbs.TableDefs.Refresh tblCollection.Remove stgNameOriginal intCount = intCount + 1 varProgress = SysCmd(acSysCmdUpdateMeter, intCount) ' Debug.Print "Refreshed ODBC table " & stgNameOriginal Next i varProgress = SysCmd(acSysCmdRemoveMeter) Set tblCollection = Nothing Set dbs = Nothing '------------------------------ HTH! Dan -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brad Marks Sent: Monday, October 22, 2012 9:37 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: [AccessD] Changing the ODBC Connection String to use UNC - Strange Results All, We have an Access 2007 application that connects to a FireBird Database via ODBC. This application has worked nicely for several months. There is both a Test and a Production copy of the Firebird Database on a server. I have mapped one drive to point at the Production database and mapped a second drive to point at the Test database. There is VBA code that switches between Test and Production by changing the DbName in Tabledef.Connect. This works nicely with the mapped drives. Recently, I had the idea of using a UNC instead of the mapped drives. I wanted to do this because more users need to access the Test database and I wanted to avoid the need to set up mapped drives on additional PCs. I changed the VBA code to use the UNCs and I am now seeing inconsistent results. Sometimes the switch between Test and Production works, sometimes it does not. (Error 3151 - ODBC Connection Failed). Has anyone else ever run into this issue? I have tried many tests and I cannot understand why this is happening. Thanks, Brad -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Lambert.Heenan at chartisinsurance.com Mon Oct 22 12:56:46 2012 From: Lambert.Heenan at chartisinsurance.com (Heenan, Lambert) Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2012 13:56:46 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Changing the ODBC Connection String to use UNC - Strange Results In-Reply-To: <50857F73.5060303@colbyconsulting.com> References: <67E7E2580BFD4DDA99A5E3C87DF7F4C3@HAL9007> <50857F73.5060303@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: I *never* use anything *but* UNC paths for linking table - admittedly these are direct links via the Access UI, not ODBC links. Lambert -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: Monday, October 22, 2012 1:17 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Changing the ODBC Connection String to use UNC - Strange Results IIRC (from the distant past) UNC connections have never been reliable with linked tables. I don't recall much more, it seems to be a long standing bug, never fixed? If you think about it, this is not a "power user" requirement and we all know who the target audience is (hint - not the developer). John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it On 10/22/2012 10:36 AM, Brad Marks wrote: > All, > > We have an Access 2007 application that connects to a FireBird > Database via ODBC. > This application has worked nicely for several months. > > There is both a Test and a Production copy of the Firebird Database on > a server. > > I have mapped one drive to point at the Production database and mapped > a second drive to point at the Test database. > > There is VBA code that switches between Test and Production by > changing the DbName in Tabledef.Connect. > > This works nicely with the mapped drives. > > Recently, I had the idea of using a UNC instead of the mapped drives. > I wanted to do this because more users need to access the Test > database and I wanted to avoid the need to set up mapped drives on > additional PCs. > > I changed the VBA code to use the UNCs and I am now seeing > inconsistent results. > > Sometimes the switch between Test and Production works, sometimes it > does not. (Error 3151 - ODBC Connection Failed). > > Has anyone else ever run into this issue? I have tried many tests and > I cannot understand why this is happening. > > Thanks, > Brad > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From dbdoug at gmail.com Mon Oct 22 13:04:38 2012 From: dbdoug at gmail.com (Doug Steele) Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2012 11:04:38 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Changing the ODBC Connection String to use UNC - Strange Results In-Reply-To: References: <67E7E2580BFD4DDA99A5E3C87DF7F4C3@HAL9007> <50857F73.5060303@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: This may be totally irrelevant, but I had an Access db that was having problems when some users were using drive letters and others were using UNC. So I found the following function which converts a drive letter to a unc path: Doug ' This API declaration is used to return the ' UNC path from a drive letter. Declare Function WNetGetConnection Lib "mpr.dll" Alias "WNetGetConnectionA" _ (ByVal lpszLocalName As String, ByVal lpszRemoteName As String, cbRemoteName As Long) As Long Function GetUNCPath(strDriveLetter As String) As String On Local Error GoTo GetUNCPath_Err Dim Msg As String, lngReturn As Long Dim lpszLocalName As String Dim lpszRemoteName As String Dim cbRemoteName As Long lpszLocalName = strDriveLetter lpszRemoteName = String$(255, Chr$(32)) cbRemoteName = Len(lpszRemoteName) lngReturn = WNetGetConnection(lpszLocalName, lpszRemoteName, cbRemoteName) Select Case lngReturn Case ERROR_BAD_DEVICE Msg = "Error: Bad Device" Case ERROR_CONNECTION_UNAVAIL Msg = "Error: Connection Un-Available" Case ERROR_EXTENDED_ERROR Msg = "Error: Extended Error" Case ERROR_MORE_DATA Msg = "Error: More Data" Case ERROR_NOT_SUPPORTED Msg = "Error: Feature not Supported" Case ERROR_NO_NET_OR_BAD_PATH Msg = "Error: No Network Available or Bad Path" Case ERROR_NO_NETWORK Msg = "Error: No Network Available" Case ERROR_NOT_CONNECTED Msg = "Error: Not Connected" Case NO_ERROR ' all is successful... End Select If lngReturn <> 0 Then GetUNCPath = "" Else GetUNCPath = Left$(lpszRemoteName, cbRemoteName) GetUNCPath = Left(GetUNCPath, InStr(GetUNCPath, Chr(0)) - 1) End If 'End If GetUNCPath_End: Exit Function GetUNCPath_Err: MsgBox Err.Description, vbInformation Resume GetUNCPath_End End Function From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Mon Oct 22 14:07:25 2012 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2012 15:07:25 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] cool animation Message-ID: <5085996D.7090401@colbyconsulting.com> http://www.youtube.com/embed/XlyCLbt3Thk?rel=0 -- John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Mon Oct 22 14:28:52 2012 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2012 12:28:52 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] cool animation In-Reply-To: <5085996D.7090401@colbyconsulting.com> References: <5085996D.7090401@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: OK that was good. A little creepy - Tim Burtonesque. But good. R -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: Monday, October 22, 2012 12:07 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: [AccessD] cool animation http://www.youtube.com/embed/XlyCLbt3Thk?rel=0 -- John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Mon Oct 22 15:05:10 2012 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2012 16:05:10 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] cool animation In-Reply-To: References: <5085996D.7090401@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <5085A6F6.5090509@colbyconsulting.com> It is a company that does these videos and you can buy the actual videos. I do not own stock, it was just passed to me as something cool, which 'deed it is! John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it On 10/22/2012 3:28 PM, Rocky Smolin wrote: > OK that was good. A little creepy - Tim Burtonesque. But good. > > R > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby > Sent: Monday, October 22, 2012 12:07 PM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: [AccessD] cool animation > > > http://www.youtube.com/embed/XlyCLbt3Thk?rel=0 > > -- > John W. Colby > Colby Consulting > > Reality is what refuses to go away > when you do not believe in it > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From Lambert.Heenan at chartisinsurance.com Mon Oct 22 15:27:34 2012 From: Lambert.Heenan at chartisinsurance.com (Heenan, Lambert) Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2012 16:27:34 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] cool animation In-Reply-To: <5085A6F6.5090509@colbyconsulting.com> References: <5085996D.7090401@colbyconsulting.com> <5085A6F6.5090509@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: My PBS stations uses those for interlude material. I find the music invariably awful, but I am curious to know just how much Object Oriented animation is involved with them. I imagine that, in the example you sent, each finger has identical classes running to control the movement. Lambert -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: Monday, October 22, 2012 4:05 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] cool animation It is a company that does these videos and you can buy the actual videos. I do not own stock, it was just passed to me as something cool, which 'deed it is! John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it On 10/22/2012 3:28 PM, Rocky Smolin wrote: > OK that was good. A little creepy - Tim Burtonesque. But good. > > R > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby > Sent: Monday, October 22, 2012 12:07 PM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: [AccessD] cool animation > > > http://www.youtube.com/embed/XlyCLbt3Thk?rel=0 > > -- > John W. Colby > Colby Consulting > > Reality is what refuses to go away > when you do not believe in it > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From steve at datamanagementsolutions.biz Mon Oct 22 16:07:50 2012 From: steve at datamanagementsolutions.biz (Steve Schapel) Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2012 10:07:50 +1300 Subject: [AccessD] cool animation In-Reply-To: <5085996D.7090401@colbyconsulting.com> References: <5085996D.7090401@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <3504730F2B6C445195FAA6EE5B05A372@stevelaptop> Thanks a lot, John, I enjoyed that. :) Regards Steve -----Original Message----- From: jwcolby Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2012 8:07 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: [AccessD] cool animation http://www.youtube.com/embed/XlyCLbt3Thk?rel=0 -- John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it From jimdettman at verizon.net Mon Oct 22 16:16:03 2012 From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman) Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2012 17:16:03 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] cool animation In-Reply-To: <5085996D.7090401@colbyconsulting.com> References: <5085996D.7090401@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <1FF89BF588594045801F742D1DCB829F@XPS> Looks like something you'd find in a Myst like game. Pretty cool. Jim. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: Monday, October 22, 2012 03:07 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: [AccessD] cool animation http://www.youtube.com/embed/XlyCLbt3Thk?rel=0 -- John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Mon Oct 22 17:10:58 2012 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2012 08:10:58 +1000 Subject: [AccessD] Changing the ODBC Connection String to use UNC - Strange Results In-Reply-To: References: , <50857F73.5060303@colbyconsulting.com>, Message-ID: <5085C472.30845.3CC9EF1E@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Same here. Always use UNC for linked Access tables. For ODBC, it depends on the BE, sometimes UNC, sometimes IP address - but I never rely on drive mappings. -- Stuart On 22 Oct 2012 at 13:56, Heenan, Lambert wrote: > I *never* use anything *but* UNC paths for linking table - admittedly these are direct links via the Access UI, not ODBC links. > > Lambert > From charlotte.foust at gmail.com Mon Oct 22 18:58:20 2012 From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust) Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2012 16:58:20 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Changing the ODBC Connection String to use UNC - Strange Results In-Reply-To: <5085C472.30845.3CC9EF1E@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: <50857F73.5060303@colbyconsulting.com> <5085C472.30845.3CC9EF1E@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: It's not safe to rely on drive mappings. Different machines may have different mappings. I always convert to UNC on LANs. Charlotte On Mon, Oct 22, 2012 at 3:10 PM, Stuart McLachlan wrote: > Same here. Always use UNC for linked Access tables. > For ODBC, it depends on the BE, sometimes UNC, sometimes IP address - but > I never rely > on drive mappings. > > -- > Stuart > > On 22 Oct 2012 at 13:56, Heenan, Lambert wrote: > > > I *never* use anything *but* UNC paths for linking table - admittedly > these are direct links via the Access UI, not ODBC links. > > > > Lambert > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From df.waters at comcast.net Mon Oct 22 19:04:50 2012 From: df.waters at comcast.net (Dan Waters) Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2012 19:04:50 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Recording Windows Version, 32/64 bit, and Access Version Message-ID: <002c01cdb0b2$0595c0e0$10c142a0$@comcast.net> A couple of weeks ago I did some research to record Windows and Access versions while a person was logging in. This is what I came up with. HTH! Dan '--------------------------------------- Option Compare Database Option Explicit Private Type OSVERSIONINFO dwOSVersionInfoSize As Long dwMajorVersion As Long dwMinorVersion As Long dwBuildNumber As Long dwPlatformId As Long szCSDVersion As String * 128 End Type Public Declare Function GetVersionExA Lib "kernel32" (lpVersionInformation As OSVERSIONINFO) As Integer Private Sub GetWindowsAccessVersion() '-- This will record the current windows version, whether the OS is 32 bit or 64 bit, and the Access version for the person logging in. Dim stg As String Dim fso As FileSystemObject Dim int3264 As Integer Dim stgWindowsVersion As String Dim stgAccessVersion As String Set fso = CreateObject("Scripting.FileSystemObject") If fso.FolderExists("C:\Windows\sysWOW64") = True Then int3264 = 64 Else int3264 = 32 End If stgWindowsVersion = WindowsVersion stgAccessVersion = Application.Version & " - " & Application.Build stg = "UPDATE tblPeopleMain SET" _ & " versionWindows = '" & stgWindowsVersion & "'," _ & " version3264 = " & int3264 & "," _ & " versionAccess = '" & stgAccessVersion & "'" _ & " WHERE PeopleID = " & GV.CurrentPeopleID DBEngine(0)(0).Execute stg, dbSeeChanges Or dbFailOnError Set fso = Nothing End Sub Public Function WindowsVersion() As String Dim osinfo As OSVERSIONINFO Dim retvalue As Integer osinfo.dwOSVersionInfoSize = 148 osinfo.szCSDVersion = Space$(128) retvalue = GetVersionExA(osinfo) WindowsVersion = osinfo.dwMajorVersion & "." & osinfo.dwMinorVersion & " Build (" & osinfo.dwBuildNumber & ") " & fTrimNull(osinfo.szCSDVersion) End Function Private Function fTrimNull(strIn As String) As String Dim intPos As Integer intPos = InStr(1, strIn, vbNullChar) If intPos Then fTrimNull = Mid$(strIn, 1, intPos - 1) Else fTrimNull = strIn End If End Function From accessd at shaw.ca Mon Oct 22 21:27:04 2012 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2012 19:27:04 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] cool animation In-Reply-To: <5085996D.7090401@colbyconsulting.com> References: <5085996D.7090401@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: So OT but so cool Jim -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: Monday, October 22, 2012 12:07 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: [AccessD] cool animation http://www.youtube.com/embed/XlyCLbt3Thk?rel=0 -- John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Mon Oct 22 21:30:00 2012 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2012 19:30:00 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] cool animation In-Reply-To: References: <5085996D.7090401@colbyconsulting.com><5085A6F6.5090509@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <74BB442BA546498EA9AA0B0DC88875A2@creativesystemdesigns.com> >From my daughter who works for an animation studio, she says that is at least a months work for a single 3D animator. Jim -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan, Lambert Sent: Monday, October 22, 2012 1:28 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] cool animation My PBS stations uses those for interlude material. I find the music invariably awful, but I am curious to know just how much Object Oriented animation is involved with them. I imagine that, in the example you sent, each finger has identical classes running to control the movement. Lambert -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: Monday, October 22, 2012 4:05 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] cool animation It is a company that does these videos and you can buy the actual videos. I do not own stock, it was just passed to me as something cool, which 'deed it is! John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it On 10/22/2012 3:28 PM, Rocky Smolin wrote: > OK that was good. A little creepy - Tim Burtonesque. But good. > > R > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby > Sent: Monday, October 22, 2012 12:07 PM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: [AccessD] cool animation > > > http://www.youtube.com/embed/XlyCLbt3Thk?rel=0 > > -- > John W. Colby > Colby Consulting > > Reality is what refuses to go away > when you do not believe in it > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From steve at datamanagementsolutions.biz Mon Oct 22 22:03:28 2012 From: steve at datamanagementsolutions.biz (Steve Schapel) Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2012 16:03:28 +1300 Subject: [AccessD] cool animation In-Reply-To: <74BB442BA546498EA9AA0B0DC88875A2@creativesystemdesigns.com> References: <5085996D.7090401@colbyconsulting.com><5085A6F6.5090509@colbyconsulting.com> <74BB442BA546498EA9AA0B0DC88875A2@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: <444C5ECDCC7F4136A4D184EEBEC269E3@stevelaptop> How about for a married animator? Regards Steve -----Original Message----- From: Jim Lawrence Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2012 3:30 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] cool animation >From my daughter who works for an animation studio, she says that is at least a months work for a single 3D animator. Jim -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan, Lambert Sent: Monday, October 22, 2012 1:28 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] cool animation My PBS stations uses those for interlude material. I find the music invariably awful, but I am curious to know just how much Object Oriented animation is involved with them. I imagine that, in the example you sent, each finger has identical classes running to control the movement. Lambert -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: Monday, October 22, 2012 4:05 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] cool animation It is a company that does these videos and you can buy the actual videos. I do not own stock, it was just passed to me as something cool, which 'deed it is! John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it On 10/22/2012 3:28 PM, Rocky Smolin wrote: > OK that was good. A little creepy - Tim Burtonesque. But good. > > R > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby > Sent: Monday, October 22, 2012 12:07 PM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: [AccessD] cool animation > > > http://www.youtube.com/embed/XlyCLbt3Thk?rel=0 > > -- > John W. Colby > Colby Consulting > > Reality is what refuses to go away > when you do not believe in it > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Mon Oct 22 22:08:47 2012 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2012 23:08:47 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] cool animation In-Reply-To: <74BB442BA546498EA9AA0B0DC88875A2@creativesystemdesigns.com> References: <5085996D.7090401@colbyconsulting.com><5085A6F6.5090509@colbyconsulting.com> <74BB442BA546498EA9AA0B0DC88875A2@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: <50860A3F.6060606@colbyconsulting.com> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Animusic http://www.animusic.com/index.php John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it On 10/22/2012 10:30 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote: >>From my daughter who works for an animation studio, she says that is at > least a months work for a single 3D animator. > > Jim > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan, Lambert > Sent: Monday, October 22, 2012 1:28 PM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] cool animation > > My PBS stations uses those for interlude material. I find the music > invariably awful, but I am curious to know just how much Object Oriented > animation is involved with them. I imagine that, in the example you sent, > each finger has identical classes running to control the movement. > > Lambert > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby > Sent: Monday, October 22, 2012 4:05 PM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] cool animation > > It is a company that does these videos and you can buy the actual videos. I > do not own stock, it was just passed to me as something cool, which 'deed it > is! > > John W. Colby > Colby Consulting > > Reality is what refuses to go away > when you do not believe in it > > On 10/22/2012 3:28 PM, Rocky Smolin wrote: >> OK that was good. A little creepy - Tim Burtonesque. But good. >> >> R >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby >> Sent: Monday, October 22, 2012 12:07 PM >> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving >> Subject: [AccessD] cool animation >> >> >> http://www.youtube.com/embed/XlyCLbt3Thk?rel=0 >> >> -- >> John W. Colby >> Colby Consulting >> >> Reality is what refuses to go away >> when you do not believe in it >> >> -- >> AccessD mailing list >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From accessd at shaw.ca Mon Oct 22 23:40:39 2012 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2012 21:40:39 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] cool animation In-Reply-To: <444C5ECDCC7F4136A4D184EEBEC269E3@stevelaptop> References: <5085996D.7090401@colbyconsulting.com><5085A6F6.5090509@colbyconsulting.com><74BB442BA546498EA9AA0B0DC88875A2@creativesystemdesigns.com> <444C5ECDCC7F4136A4D184EEBEC269E3@stevelaptop> Message-ID: <9B6DBC4ED79949FEB137EA7642650A27@creativesystemdesigns.com> I am not sure; maybe a plural animtor? Jim -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Schapel Sent: Monday, October 22, 2012 8:03 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] cool animation How about for a married animator? Regards Steve -----Original Message----- From: Jim Lawrence Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2012 3:30 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] cool animation >From my daughter who works for an animation studio, she says that is at least a months work for a single 3D animator. Jim -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan, Lambert Sent: Monday, October 22, 2012 1:28 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] cool animation My PBS stations uses those for interlude material. I find the music invariably awful, but I am curious to know just how much Object Oriented animation is involved with them. I imagine that, in the example you sent, each finger has identical classes running to control the movement. Lambert -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: Monday, October 22, 2012 4:05 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] cool animation It is a company that does these videos and you can buy the actual videos. I do not own stock, it was just passed to me as something cool, which 'deed it is! John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it On 10/22/2012 3:28 PM, Rocky Smolin wrote: > OK that was good. A little creepy - Tim Burtonesque. But good. > > R > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby > Sent: Monday, October 22, 2012 12:07 PM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: [AccessD] cool animation > > > http://www.youtube.com/embed/XlyCLbt3Thk?rel=0 > > -- > John W. Colby > Colby Consulting > > Reality is what refuses to go away > when you do not believe in it > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Mon Oct 22 23:43:47 2012 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2012 21:43:47 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] cool animation In-Reply-To: <50860A3F.6060606@colbyconsulting.com> References: <5085996D.7090401@colbyconsulting.com><5085A6F6.5090509@colbyconsulting.com><74BB442BA546498EA9AA0B0DC88875A2@creativesystemdesigns.com> <50860A3F.6060606@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <1CE2320B724149B4892D17067D790D70@creativesystemdesigns.com> You have to love Kickstarter. A lot of great startup companies have got their first offering through KS. Jim -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: Monday, October 22, 2012 8:09 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] cool animation http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Animusic http://www.animusic.com/index.php John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it On 10/22/2012 10:30 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote: >>From my daughter who works for an animation studio, she says that is at > least a months work for a single 3D animator. > > Jim > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan, Lambert > Sent: Monday, October 22, 2012 1:28 PM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] cool animation > > My PBS stations uses those for interlude material. I find the music > invariably awful, but I am curious to know just how much Object Oriented > animation is involved with them. I imagine that, in the example you sent, > each finger has identical classes running to control the movement. > > Lambert > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby > Sent: Monday, October 22, 2012 4:05 PM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] cool animation > > It is a company that does these videos and you can buy the actual videos. I > do not own stock, it was just passed to me as something cool, which 'deed it > is! > > John W. Colby > Colby Consulting > > Reality is what refuses to go away > when you do not believe in it > > On 10/22/2012 3:28 PM, Rocky Smolin wrote: >> OK that was good. A little creepy - Tim Burtonesque. But good. >> >> R >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby >> Sent: Monday, October 22, 2012 12:07 PM >> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving >> Subject: [AccessD] cool animation >> >> >> http://www.youtube.com/embed/XlyCLbt3Thk?rel=0 >> >> -- >> John W. Colby >> Colby Consulting >> >> Reality is what refuses to go away >> when you do not believe in it >> >> -- >> AccessD mailing list >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Tue Oct 23 00:11:12 2012 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2012 22:11:12 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] cool animation In-Reply-To: <9B6DBC4ED79949FEB137EA7642650A27@creativesystemdesigns.com> References: <5085996D.7090401@colbyconsulting.com><5085A6F6.5090509@colbyconsulting.com><74BB442BA546498EA9AA0B0DC88875A2@creativesystemdesigns.com><444C5ECDCC7F4136A4D184EEBEC269E3@stevelaptop> <9B6DBC4ED79949FEB137EA7642650A27@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: <3EB5244133274C778773F55997F2E6F2@HAL9007> Much longer for a married animator. I don't think we have to telegraph that one. R -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Schapel Sent: Monday, October 22, 2012 8:03 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] cool animation How about for a married animator? Regards Steve -----Original Message----- From: Jim Lawrence Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2012 3:30 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] cool animation >From my daughter who works for an animation studio, she says that is at least a months work for a single 3D animator. Jim -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan, Lambert Sent: Monday, October 22, 2012 1:28 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] cool animation My PBS stations uses those for interlude material. I find the music invariably awful, but I am curious to know just how much Object Oriented animation is involved with them. I imagine that, in the example you sent, each finger has identical classes running to control the movement. Lambert -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: Monday, October 22, 2012 4:05 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] cool animation It is a company that does these videos and you can buy the actual videos. I do not own stock, it was just passed to me as something cool, which 'deed it is! John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it On 10/22/2012 3:28 PM, Rocky Smolin wrote: > OK that was good. A little creepy - Tim Burtonesque. But good. > > R > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby > Sent: Monday, October 22, 2012 12:07 PM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: [AccessD] cool animation > > > http://www.youtube.com/embed/XlyCLbt3Thk?rel=0 > > -- > John W. Colby > Colby Consulting > > Reality is what refuses to go away > when you do not believe in it > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From mcp2004 at mail.ru Tue Oct 23 05:37:58 2012 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=) Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2012 14:37:58 +0400 Subject: [AccessD] =?utf-8?q?cool_animation?= In-Reply-To: <74BB442BA546498EA9AA0B0DC88875A2@creativesystemdesigns.com> References: <5085996D.7090401@colbyconsulting.com><5085A6F6.5090509@colbyconsulting.com> <74BB442BA546498EA9AA0B0DC88875A2@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: <1350988678.150328261@f57.mail.ru> So cool! They seems to have the whole animation picturing process automated by MIDI- events: http://www.youtube.com/channel/HCNCYsgxFtWZE?feature=relchannel? "Unlike many other music visualizations, the music drives the animation. While other productions might animate figures or characters to the music, the animated models in Animusic are created first, and are then programmed to follow what the music "tells them" to. 'Solo cams' featured on the Animusic DVD shows how each instrument actually plays through a piece of music from beginning to end." Has your daughter got professional education as an animator to work in an animation studio? I'm asking because my 11 years old son is "cooking" LEGO animations voicing them in English with accompanying music and he is spending on that hobby a lot of his free time. He is using simple Canon PowerShot and a notebook or just Sony Ericsson Walkman smart-phone with some animation apps - and I'm wondering where should I look for for more information and tools for him to get his hobby animations becoming more polished - maybe he will make that hobby his profession in the future... Thank you. -- Shamil Mon, 22 Oct 2012 19:30:00 -0700 ?? "Jim Lawrence" : >From my daughter who works for an animation studio, she says that is at > least a months work for a single 3D animator. > > Jim > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby > Sent: Monday, October 22, 2012 4:05 PM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] cool animation > > It is a company that does these videos and you can buy the actual videos. I > do not own stock, it was just passed to me as something cool, which 'deed it > is! > > John W. Colby > Colby Consulting ><<< skipped >>> From vbacreations at gmail.com Tue Oct 23 08:36:57 2012 From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson) Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2012 09:36:57 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Recording Windows Version, 32/64 bit, and Access Version In-Reply-To: <002c01cdb0b2$0595c0e0$10c142a0$@comcast.net> References: <002c01cdb0b2$0595c0e0$10c142a0$@comcast.net> Message-ID: If intPos is an integer why are you testing it like a boolean? On Oct 22, 2012 8:05 PM, "Dan Waters" wrote: > A couple of weeks ago I did some research to record Windows and Access > versions while a person was logging in. This is what I came up with. > > > > HTH! > > Dan > > > > '--------------------------------------- > > > > Option Compare Database > > Option Explicit > > > > Private Type OSVERSIONINFO > > dwOSVersionInfoSize As Long > > dwMajorVersion As Long > > dwMinorVersion As Long > > dwBuildNumber As Long > > dwPlatformId As Long > > szCSDVersion As String * 128 > > End Type > > > > Public Declare Function GetVersionExA Lib "kernel32" (lpVersionInformation > As OSVERSIONINFO) As Integer > > > > Private Sub GetWindowsAccessVersion() > > > > '-- This will record the current windows version, whether the OS is 32 > bit or 64 bit, and the Access version for the person logging in. > > > > Dim stg As String > > Dim fso As FileSystemObject > > Dim int3264 As Integer > > Dim stgWindowsVersion As String > > Dim stgAccessVersion As String > > > > Set fso = CreateObject("Scripting.FileSystemObject") > > If fso.FolderExists("C:\Windows\sysWOW64") = True Then > > int3264 = 64 > > Else > > int3264 = 32 > > End If > > > > stgWindowsVersion = WindowsVersion > > stgAccessVersion = Application.Version & " - " & Application.Build > > > > stg = "UPDATE tblPeopleMain SET" _ > > & " versionWindows = '" & stgWindowsVersion & "'," _ > > & " version3264 = " & int3264 & "," _ > > & " versionAccess = '" & stgAccessVersion & "'" _ > > & " WHERE PeopleID = " & GV.CurrentPeopleID > > DBEngine(0)(0).Execute stg, dbSeeChanges Or dbFailOnError > > > > Set fso = Nothing > > > > End Sub > > > > Public Function WindowsVersion() As String > > > > Dim osinfo As OSVERSIONINFO > > Dim retvalue As Integer > > > > osinfo.dwOSVersionInfoSize = 148 > > osinfo.szCSDVersion = Space$(128) > > retvalue = GetVersionExA(osinfo) > > > > WindowsVersion = osinfo.dwMajorVersion & "." & osinfo.dwMinorVersion & > " > Build (" & osinfo.dwBuildNumber & ") " & fTrimNull(osinfo.szCSDVersion) > > > > End Function > > > > Private Function fTrimNull(strIn As String) As String > > > > Dim intPos As Integer > > > > intPos = InStr(1, strIn, vbNullChar) > > If intPos Then > > fTrimNull = Mid$(strIn, 1, intPos - 1) > > Else > > fTrimNull = strIn > > End If > > > > End Function > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From marksimms at verizon.net Tue Oct 23 09:10:59 2012 From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms) Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2012 10:10:59 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Webmatrix 2 In-Reply-To: <1350988678.150328261@f57.mail.ru> References: <5085996D.7090401@colbyconsulting.com><5085A6F6.5090509@colbyconsulting.com> <74BB442BA546498EA9AA0B0DC88875A2@creativesystemdesigns.com> <1350988678.150328261@f57.mail.ru> Message-ID: <015c01cdb128$3a978870$afc69950$@net> Anyone using it ? Why is it "free" ? http://www.devproconnections.com/article/web-development/reconsidering-webmatrix-web-development-144485 From Lambert.Heenan at chartisinsurance.com Tue Oct 23 09:43:00 2012 From: Lambert.Heenan at chartisinsurance.com (Heenan, Lambert) Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2012 10:43:00 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Webmatrix 2 In-Reply-To: <015c01cdb128$3a978870$afc69950$@net> References: <5085996D.7090401@colbyconsulting.com><5085A6F6.5090509@colbyconsulting.com> <74BB442BA546498EA9AA0B0DC88875A2@creativesystemdesigns.com> <1350988678.150328261@f57.mail.ru> <015c01cdb128$3a978870$afc69950$@net> Message-ID: Why is it free? Because it's a Release Candidate that's out there - beta software. I wonder when the license runs out? -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Simms Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2012 10:11 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: [AccessD] Webmatrix 2 Anyone using it ? Why is it "free" ? http://www.devproconnections.com/article/web-development/reconsidering-webmatrix-web-development-144485 -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From gustav at cactus.dk Tue Oct 23 09:49:26 2012 From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2012 16:49:26 +0200 Subject: [AccessD] Changing the ODBC Connection String to use UNC - Strange Results Message-ID: <00cc01cdb12d$99440970$cbcc1c50$@cactus.dk> Hi Charlotte "Safe" is not the word to use. It has worked for us and _all_ our clients since our first use of Access with a shared backend file on a NetWare server in 1994 with 0 (zero) issues. Even today where we have a setup of DFS linked file servers in AD where physical UNCs are replaced by virtual server names (like: \\domain.local\company\data\database) we still use drive mappings controlled by a logon script. Thus, no matter which machine - even a brand new just attached to our domain - I login from and which server I physically get connected to, I always have the same drive mappings. So: Different machines do have identical mappings". And servers can be replaced, added, or removed invisible to the users. All that is required is an orderly environment. /gustav -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Charlotte Foust Sendt: 23. oktober 2012 01:58 Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Emne: Re: [AccessD] Changing the ODBC Connection String to use UNC - Strange Results It's not safe to rely on drive mappings. Different machines may have different mappings. I always convert to UNC on LANs. Charlotte On Mon, Oct 22, 2012 at 3:10 PM, Stuart McLachlan wrote: > Same here. Always use UNC for linked Access tables. > For ODBC, it depends on the BE, sometimes UNC, sometimes IP address - > but I never rely on drive mappings. > > -- > Stuart > > On 22 Oct 2012 at 13:56, Heenan, Lambert wrote: > > > I *never* use anything *but* UNC paths for linking table - admittedly these are direct links via the Access UI, not ODBC links. > > > > Lambert From fuller.artful at gmail.com Tue Oct 23 10:12:48 2012 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2012 11:12:48 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Related Table Display Message-ID: I'm in Access 2007. Double-clicking Table T1 to display its rows. A related table T2 is automatically displayed. More than one table is related to T1. How can I change the displayed table? I prefer to display another child table than this one. TIA, -- Arthur From df.waters at comcast.net Tue Oct 23 10:12:50 2012 From: df.waters at comcast.net (Dan Waters) Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2012 10:12:50 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Recording Windows Version, 32/64 bit, and Access Version In-Reply-To: References: <002c01cdb0b2$0595c0e0$10c142a0$@comcast.net> Message-ID: <000f01cdb130$de225170$9a66f450$@comcast.net> Hi William, I had copied and tested that procedure but didn't read it closely. It does work correctly though because execution will only pass to the second choice if intPos = 0. Still, I would rather write it like this: If intPos <> 0 then Dan -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Benson Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2012 8:37 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Recording Windows Version, 32/64 bit, and Access Version If intPos is an integer why are you testing it like a boolean? On Oct 22, 2012 8:05 PM, "Dan Waters" wrote: > A couple of weeks ago I did some research to record Windows and Access > versions while a person was logging in. This is what I came up with. > > > > HTH! > > Dan > > > > '--------------------------------------- > > > > Option Compare Database > > Option Explicit > > > > Private Type OSVERSIONINFO > > dwOSVersionInfoSize As Long > > dwMajorVersion As Long > > dwMinorVersion As Long > > dwBuildNumber As Long > > dwPlatformId As Long > > szCSDVersion As String * 128 > > End Type > > > > Public Declare Function GetVersionExA Lib "kernel32" > (lpVersionInformation As OSVERSIONINFO) As Integer > > > > Private Sub GetWindowsAccessVersion() > > > > '-- This will record the current windows version, whether the OS > is 32 bit or 64 bit, and the Access version for the person logging in. > > > > Dim stg As String > > Dim fso As FileSystemObject > > Dim int3264 As Integer > > Dim stgWindowsVersion As String > > Dim stgAccessVersion As String > > > > Set fso = CreateObject("Scripting.FileSystemObject") > > If fso.FolderExists("C:\Windows\sysWOW64") = True Then > > int3264 = 64 > > Else > > int3264 = 32 > > End If > > > > stgWindowsVersion = WindowsVersion > > stgAccessVersion = Application.Version & " - " & Application.Build > > > > stg = "UPDATE tblPeopleMain SET" _ > > & " versionWindows = '" & stgWindowsVersion & "'," _ > > & " version3264 = " & int3264 & "," _ > > & " versionAccess = '" & stgAccessVersion & "'" _ > > & " WHERE PeopleID = " & GV.CurrentPeopleID > > DBEngine(0)(0).Execute stg, dbSeeChanges Or dbFailOnError > > > > Set fso = Nothing > > > > End Sub > > > > Public Function WindowsVersion() As String > > > > Dim osinfo As OSVERSIONINFO > > Dim retvalue As Integer > > > > osinfo.dwOSVersionInfoSize = 148 > > osinfo.szCSDVersion = Space$(128) > > retvalue = GetVersionExA(osinfo) > > > > WindowsVersion = osinfo.dwMajorVersion & "." & > osinfo.dwMinorVersion & " > Build (" & osinfo.dwBuildNumber & ") " & > fTrimNull(osinfo.szCSDVersion) > > > > End Function > > > > Private Function fTrimNull(strIn As String) As String > > > > Dim intPos As Integer > > > > intPos = InStr(1, strIn, vbNullChar) > > If intPos Then > > fTrimNull = Mid$(strIn, 1, intPos - 1) > > Else > > fTrimNull = strIn > > End If > > > > End Function > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Tue Oct 23 10:14:20 2012 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2012 11:14:20 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Webmatrix 2 In-Reply-To: References: <5085996D.7090401@colbyconsulting.com> <5085A6F6.5090509@colbyconsulting.com> <74BB442BA546498EA9AA0B0DC88875A2@creativesystemdesigns.com> <1350988678.150328261@f57.mail.ru> <015c01cdb128$3a978870$afc69950$@net> Message-ID: I think it doesn't matter that it's a beta release. WebMatrix 1 was free, too, in its official release. A. On Tue, Oct 23, 2012 at 10:43 AM, Heenan, Lambert < Lambert.Heenan at chartisinsurance.com> wrote: > Why is it free? Because it's a Release Candidate that's out there - beta > software. I wonder when the license runs out? > > From marksimms at verizon.net Tue Oct 23 10:42:44 2012 From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms) Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2012 11:42:44 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Webmatrix 2 In-Reply-To: References: <5085996D.7090401@colbyconsulting.com> <5085A6F6.5090509@colbyconsulting.com> <74BB442BA546498EA9AA0B0DC88875A2@creativesystemdesigns.com> <1350988678.150328261@f57.mail.ru> <015c01cdb128$3a978870$afc69950$@net> Message-ID: <01a701cdb135$0bf2d8a0$23d889e0$@net> What's interesting to me is the criticism over the unwieldy nature of Visual Studio for webdev. From gustav at cactus.dk Tue Oct 23 10:55:33 2012 From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2012 17:55:33 +0200 Subject: [AccessD] Webmatrix 2 Message-ID: <00d501cdb136$d5c63720$8152a560$@cactus.dk> Hi Mark "unwieldy nature"? Does that mean lots of options? I've only scratched the surface - so I feel - but find it extremely powerful. I haven't even really used Blend yet - where you can switch directly between graphic and code design. /gustav -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Mark Simms Sendt: 23. oktober 2012 17:43 Til: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Emne: Re: [AccessD] Webmatrix 2 What's interesting to me is the criticism over the unwieldy nature of Visual Studio for webdev. From charlotte.foust at gmail.com Tue Oct 23 11:40:35 2012 From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust) Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2012 09:40:35 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Changing the ODBC Connection String to use UNC - Strange Results In-Reply-To: <00cc01cdb12d$99440970$cbcc1c50$@cactus.dk> References: <00cc01cdb12d$99440970$cbcc1c50$@cactus.dk> Message-ID: The way you're describing it is consistent. My experience was on a national system where drive mappings were theoretically consistent but not always. Hence my use of "safe". As always, YMMV. Charlotte On Tue, Oct 23, 2012 at 7:49 AM, Gustav Brock wrote: > Hi Charlotte > > "Safe" is not the word to use. It has worked for us and _all_ our clients > since our first use of Access with a shared backend file on a NetWare > server > in 1994 with 0 (zero) issues. > Even today where we have a setup of DFS linked file servers in AD where > physical UNCs are replaced by virtual server names (like: > \\domain.local\company\data\database) we still use drive mappings > controlled > by a logon script. Thus, no matter which machine - even a brand new just > attached to our domain - I login from and which server I physically get > connected to, I always have the same drive mappings. So: Different machines > do have identical mappings". And servers can be replaced, added, or removed > invisible to the users. > > All that is required is an orderly environment. > > /gustav > > > -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- > Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Charlotte Foust > Sendt: 23. oktober 2012 01:58 > Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Emne: Re: [AccessD] Changing the ODBC Connection String to use UNC - > Strange > Results > > It's not safe to rely on drive mappings. Different machines may have > different mappings. I always convert to UNC on LANs. > > Charlotte > > On Mon, Oct 22, 2012 at 3:10 PM, Stuart McLachlan > wrote: > > > Same here. Always use UNC for linked Access tables. > > For ODBC, it depends on the BE, sometimes UNC, sometimes IP address - > > but I never rely on drive mappings. > > > > -- > > Stuart > > > > On 22 Oct 2012 at 13:56, Heenan, Lambert wrote: > > > > > I *never* use anything *but* UNC paths for linking table - admittedly > these are direct links via the Access UI, not ODBC links. > > > > > > Lambert > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From accessd at shaw.ca Tue Oct 23 14:15:54 2012 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2012 12:15:54 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] cool animation In-Reply-To: <1350988678.150328261@f57.mail.ru> References: <5085996D.7090401@colbyconsulting.com><5085A6F6.5090509@colbyconsulting.com><74BB442BA546498EA9AA0B0DC88875A2@creativesystemdesigns.com> <1350988678.150328261@f57.mail.ru> Message-ID: <4C0AA81B3C424DFDBA4E05F2B10787AD@creativesystemdesigns.com> My youngest daughter did three years of college at one university, paid via scholarship, then worked a years, did one more year at a new university college and finally completed her animation degree at UBC, in three more years. It took over seven years of university to get her full degree. Last year she won a further education scholarship, for a 5 minute video/movie she produced, and used it to take further mentoring through a six months training course at Pixar Studios. Now she works for a company that does 3D real-time animation for machinery, mostly military hardware and works in her spare time free-lancing for a variety of small companies who need short term specialty work. Related: The emphasizes today is producing graphics suitable for web based deployment accompanied with real-time streaming. That is a whole new field of mathematics and image management. The game companies are the leaders in this new field. Their systems uses high end image compression, asynchronies streaming, background/parallel processing, intelligent caching, filters/overlays, with sparse-image-cells (only the parts of the screen that are current animated are being transferred) and they are even developing AI systems to anticipate user responses. It is interesting to see just how fast mixed quality images can be transferred, through small to large band-width and produce a good user experience. Also learned that Hadoop is not just for distributive computing to support Map Reduce databases but to manage thousands of online users in complex interactive game scenarios. This is also one the reason browser makers have been working so hard to make their browser's faster, smaller and run on every PC, tablet and Smartphone. I took in a couple of seminars, at the professional animators convention, over in Vancouver, a couple of months ago, with my daughters and that is why I am such an expert....not; ;-) but for any young person looking for a high-end career...there are so many fields of expertise needed in consumer data and graphics distribution and production. Jim -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Salakhetdinov Shamil Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2012 3:38 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] cool animation So cool! They seems to have the whole animation picturing process automated by MIDI- events: http://www.youtube.com/channel/HCNCYsgxFtWZE?feature=relchannel? "Unlike many other music visualizations, the music drives the animation. While other productions might animate figures or characters to the music, the animated models in Animusic are created first, and are then programmed to follow what the music "tells them" to. 'Solo cams' featured on the Animusic DVD shows how each instrument actually plays through a piece of music from beginning to end." Has your daughter got professional education as an animator to work in an animation studio? I'm asking because my 11 years old son is "cooking" LEGO animations voicing them in English with accompanying music and he is spending on that hobby a lot of his free time. He is using simple Canon PowerShot and a notebook or just Sony Ericsson Walkman smart-phone with some animation apps - and I'm wondering where should I look for for more information and tools for him to get his hobby animations becoming more polished - maybe he will make that hobby his profession in the future... Thank you. -- Shamil Mon, 22 Oct 2012 19:30:00 -0700 ?? "Jim Lawrence" : >From my daughter who works for an animation studio, she says that is at > least a months work for a single 3D animator. > > Jim > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby > Sent: Monday, October 22, 2012 4:05 PM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] cool animation > > It is a company that does these videos and you can buy the actual videos. I > do not own stock, it was just passed to me as something cool, which 'deed it > is! > > John W. Colby > Colby Consulting ><<< skipped >>> -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Tue Oct 23 14:30:42 2012 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2012 12:30:42 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Webmatrix 2 In-Reply-To: <015c01cdb128$3a978870$afc69950$@net> References: <5085996D.7090401@colbyconsulting.com><5085A6F6.5090509@colbyconsulting.com><74BB442BA546498EA9AA0B0DC88875A2@creativesystemdesigns.com><1350988678.150328261@f57.mail.ru> <015c01cdb128$3a978870$afc69950$@net> Message-ID: It is free so you will use it for development and eventually use the rest of Microsoft tools. Also MS is using Google's burnt earth policy of creating free applications that effectively eliminate competition in their area of focus. It is also a very smart long term business plan; don't go for the quick buck but go for long-term customer commitment and loyalty which will net far more in five to ten years. How much better way to attract more developers? That's my guess. I will definitely be looking closer at this product so their plan is working. Jim -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Simms Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2012 7:11 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: [AccessD] Webmatrix 2 Anyone using it ? Why is it "free" ? http://www.devproconnections.com/article/web-development/reconsidering-webma trix-web-development-144485 -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Tue Oct 23 16:01:39 2012 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2012 17:01:39 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] TableDefs vs. QueryDefs Message-ID: Apparently I mistakenly assumed that a TableDef and a QueryDef were equivalent, and would respond identically. This seems not to be so. I have a table called Peripherals, and a pair of queries based on it. Both queries select all the fields explicitly (i.e. not *). One of them filters the PeripheralType column to "LC"; the other filters it to "THC". Both queries run fine by themselves. Set rst = CurrentDb.TableDefs!Peripherals.OpenRecordset ' this line works fine Set rst = CurrentDb.QueryDefs!qryLCs.OpenRecordset ' this one doesn't work at all What should the syntax be, to open a named query and create a recordset from it? TIA, Arthur From Lambert.Heenan at chartisinsurance.com Tue Oct 23 16:10:36 2012 From: Lambert.Heenan at chartisinsurance.com (Heenan, Lambert) Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2012 17:10:36 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] TableDefs vs. QueryDefs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Arthur, DAO Code? Set rst = CurrentDb.OpenRecordset("qryLCs" ,dbOpenDynaset) That works for tables of queries, though I would not use CurrentDb. Rather set a variable first Dim Db as DOA.Database Set Db = CurrentDb Set rst = Db.OpenRecordset("qryLCs" ,dbOpenDynaset) ... A bunch of reasons for this, not least that when you call CurrentDb you get back a reference to the database in its current state. The next call to CurrentDb returns a *different* reference to the database. Not an issue most of the time, but can introduce subtle bugs. So it's best to get a Db object initialized and use that throughout your code. Lambert -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2012 5:02 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: [AccessD] TableDefs vs. QueryDefs Apparently I mistakenly assumed that a TableDef and a QueryDef were equivalent, and would respond identically. This seems not to be so. I have a table called Peripherals, and a pair of queries based on it. Both queries select all the fields explicitly (i.e. not *). One of them filters the PeripheralType column to "LC"; the other filters it to "THC". Both queries run fine by themselves. Set rst = CurrentDb.TableDefs!Peripherals.OpenRecordset ' this line works fine Set rst = CurrentDb.QueryDefs!qryLCs.OpenRecordset ' this one doesn't work at all What should the syntax be, to open a named query and create a recordset from it? TIA, Arthur -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Tue Oct 23 16:13:45 2012 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2012 07:13:45 +1000 Subject: [AccessD] Recording Windows Version, 32/64 bit, and Access Version In-Reply-To: <000f01cdb130$de225170$9a66f450$@comcast.net> References: <002c01cdb0b2$0595c0e0$10c142a0$@comcast.net>, , <000f01cdb130$de225170$9a66f450$@comcast.net> Message-ID: <50870889.7952.41BBE9FA@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Why would you rather write it like that? The original is faster and perfectly valid. IF evaluates intPos as a Boolean expression where any non-zero value is True and zero is False. I use that construction all the time. -- Stuart On 23 Oct 2012 at 10:12, Dan Waters wrote: > Hi William, > > I had copied and tested that procedure but didn't read it closely. > > It does work correctly though because execution will only pass to the second > choice if intPos = 0. > > Still, I would rather write it like this: > > If intPos <> 0 then > > Dan > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Benson > Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2012 8:37 AM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Recording Windows Version, 32/64 bit, and Access > Version > > If intPos is an integer why are you testing it like a boolean? > On Oct 22, 2012 8:05 PM, "Dan Waters" wrote: > > > A couple of weeks ago I did some research to record Windows and Access > > versions while a person was logging in. This is what I came up with. > > > > > > > > HTH! > > > > Dan > > > > > > > > '--------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > Option Compare Database > > > > Option Explicit > > > > > > > > Private Type OSVERSIONINFO > > > > dwOSVersionInfoSize As Long > > > > dwMajorVersion As Long > > > > dwMinorVersion As Long > > > > dwBuildNumber As Long > > > > dwPlatformId As Long > > > > szCSDVersion As String * 128 > > > > End Type > > > > > > > > Public Declare Function GetVersionExA Lib "kernel32" > > (lpVersionInformation As OSVERSIONINFO) As Integer > > > > > > > > Private Sub GetWindowsAccessVersion() > > > > > > > > '-- This will record the current windows version, whether the OS > > is 32 bit or 64 bit, and the Access version for the person logging in. > > > > > > > > Dim stg As String > > > > Dim fso As FileSystemObject > > > > Dim int3264 As Integer > > > > Dim stgWindowsVersion As String > > > > Dim stgAccessVersion As String > > > > > > > > Set fso = CreateObject("Scripting.FileSystemObject") > > > > If fso.FolderExists("C:\Windows\sysWOW64") = True Then > > > > int3264 = 64 > > > > Else > > > > int3264 = 32 > > > > End If > > > > > > > > stgWindowsVersion = WindowsVersion > > > > stgAccessVersion = Application.Version & " - " & Application.Build > > > > > > > > stg = "UPDATE tblPeopleMain SET" _ > > > > & " versionWindows = '" & stgWindowsVersion & "'," _ > > > > & " version3264 = " & int3264 & "," _ > > > > & " versionAccess = '" & stgAccessVersion & "'" _ > > > > & " WHERE PeopleID = " & GV.CurrentPeopleID > > > > DBEngine(0)(0).Execute stg, dbSeeChanges Or dbFailOnError > > > > > > > > Set fso = Nothing > > > > > > > > End Sub > > > > > > > > Public Function WindowsVersion() As String > > > > > > > > Dim osinfo As OSVERSIONINFO > > > > Dim retvalue As Integer > > > > > > > > osinfo.dwOSVersionInfoSize = 148 > > > > osinfo.szCSDVersion = Space$(128) > > > > retvalue = GetVersionExA(osinfo) > > > > > > > > WindowsVersion = osinfo.dwMajorVersion & "." & > > osinfo.dwMinorVersion & " > > Build (" & osinfo.dwBuildNumber & ") " & > > fTrimNull(osinfo.szCSDVersion) > > > > > > > > End Function > > > > > > > > Private Function fTrimNull(strIn As String) As String > > > > > > > > Dim intPos As Integer > > > > > > > > intPos = InStr(1, strIn, vbNullChar) > > > > If intPos Then > > > > fTrimNull = Mid$(strIn, 1, intPos - 1) > > > > Else > > > > fTrimNull = strIn > > > > End If > > > > > > > > End Function > > > > > > > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Tue Oct 23 16:26:41 2012 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2012 07:26:41 +1000 Subject: [AccessD] Webmatrix 2 In-Reply-To: References: <5085996D.7090401@colbyconsulting.com>, <015c01cdb128$3a978870$afc69950$@net>, Message-ID: <50870B91.7864.41C7C2CB@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Hear, hear. I also like the look of it and will be giving it a try. On 23 Oct 2012 at 12:30, Jim Lawrence wrote: > > It is free so you will use it for development and eventually use the rest of > Microsoft tools. Also MS is using Google's burnt earth policy of creating > free applications that effectively eliminate competition in their area of > focus. > > It is also a very smart long term business plan; don't go for the quick buck > but go for long-term customer commitment and loyalty which will net far more > in five to ten years. How much better way to attract more developers? > > That's my guess. > > I will definitely be looking closer at this product so their plan is > working. > > Jim > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Simms > Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2012 7:11 AM > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > Subject: [AccessD] Webmatrix 2 > > Anyone using it ? > Why is it "free" ? > http://www.devproconnections.com/article/web-development/reconsidering-webma > trix-web-development-144485 > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From fuller.artful at gmail.com Tue Oct 23 16:47:16 2012 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2012 17:47:16 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] TableDefs vs. QueryDefs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks, Lambert, So it would appear that TableDefs doesn't need quotation marks but QueryDefs does. But I shall also modify the code to set a variable, like yours. Arthur On Tue, Oct 23, 2012 at 5:10 PM, Heenan, Lambert < Lambert.Heenan at chartisinsurance.com> wrote: > Arthur, > > DAO Code? > > Set rst = CurrentDb.OpenRecordset("qryLCs" ,dbOpenDynaset) > > That works for tables of queries, though I would not use CurrentDb. Rather > set a variable first > > Dim Db as DOA.Database > Set Db = CurrentDb > Set rst = Db.OpenRecordset("qryLCs" ,dbOpenDynaset) > From df.waters at comcast.net Tue Oct 23 17:45:13 2012 From: df.waters at comcast.net (Dan Waters) Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2012 17:45:13 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Recording Windows Version, 32/64 bit, and Access Version In-Reply-To: <50870889.7952.41BBE9FA@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: <002c01cdb0b2$0595c0e0$10c142a0$@comcast.net>, , <000f01cdb130$de225170$9a66f450$@comcast.net> <50870889.7952.41BBE9FA@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <004d01cdb170$107ca4b0$3175ee10$@comcast.net> I didn't know it was faster. I would have written it like this just for 'visual clarity'. Thanks! Dan -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2012 4:14 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Recording Windows Version, 32/64 bit, and Access Version Why would you rather write it like that? The original is faster and perfectly valid. IF evaluates intPos as a Boolean expression where any non-zero value is True and zero is False. I use that construction all the time. -- Stuart On 23 Oct 2012 at 10:12, Dan Waters wrote: > Hi William, > > I had copied and tested that procedure but didn't read it closely. > > It does work correctly though because execution will only pass to the > second choice if intPos = 0. > > Still, I would rather write it like this: > > If intPos <> 0 then > > Dan > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William > Benson > Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2012 8:37 AM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Recording Windows Version, 32/64 bit, and > Access Version > > If intPos is an integer why are you testing it like a boolean? > On Oct 22, 2012 8:05 PM, "Dan Waters" wrote: > > > A couple of weeks ago I did some research to record Windows and > > Access versions while a person was logging in. This is what I came up with. > > > > > > > > HTH! > > > > Dan > > > > > > > > '--------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > Option Compare Database > > > > Option Explicit > > > > > > > > Private Type OSVERSIONINFO > > > > dwOSVersionInfoSize As Long > > > > dwMajorVersion As Long > > > > dwMinorVersion As Long > > > > dwBuildNumber As Long > > > > dwPlatformId As Long > > > > szCSDVersion As String * 128 > > > > End Type > > > > > > > > Public Declare Function GetVersionExA Lib "kernel32" > > (lpVersionInformation As OSVERSIONINFO) As Integer > > > > > > > > Private Sub GetWindowsAccessVersion() > > > > > > > > '-- This will record the current windows version, whether the OS > > is 32 bit or 64 bit, and the Access version for the person logging in. > > > > > > > > Dim stg As String > > > > Dim fso As FileSystemObject > > > > Dim int3264 As Integer > > > > Dim stgWindowsVersion As String > > > > Dim stgAccessVersion As String > > > > > > > > Set fso = CreateObject("Scripting.FileSystemObject") > > > > If fso.FolderExists("C:\Windows\sysWOW64") = True Then > > > > int3264 = 64 > > > > Else > > > > int3264 = 32 > > > > End If > > > > > > > > stgWindowsVersion = WindowsVersion > > > > stgAccessVersion = Application.Version & " - " & > > Application.Build > > > > > > > > stg = "UPDATE tblPeopleMain SET" _ > > > > & " versionWindows = '" & stgWindowsVersion & "'," _ > > > > & " version3264 = " & int3264 & "," _ > > > > & " versionAccess = '" & stgAccessVersion & "'" _ > > > > & " WHERE PeopleID = " & GV.CurrentPeopleID > > > > DBEngine(0)(0).Execute stg, dbSeeChanges Or dbFailOnError > > > > > > > > Set fso = Nothing > > > > > > > > End Sub > > > > > > > > Public Function WindowsVersion() As String > > > > > > > > Dim osinfo As OSVERSIONINFO > > > > Dim retvalue As Integer > > > > > > > > osinfo.dwOSVersionInfoSize = 148 > > > > osinfo.szCSDVersion = Space$(128) > > > > retvalue = GetVersionExA(osinfo) > > > > > > > > WindowsVersion = osinfo.dwMajorVersion & "." & > > osinfo.dwMinorVersion & " > > Build (" & osinfo.dwBuildNumber & ") " & > > fTrimNull(osinfo.szCSDVersion) > > > > > > > > End Function > > > > > > > > Private Function fTrimNull(strIn As String) As String > > > > > > > > Dim intPos As Integer > > > > > > > > intPos = InStr(1, strIn, vbNullChar) > > > > If intPos Then > > > > fTrimNull = Mid$(strIn, 1, intPos - 1) > > > > Else > > > > fTrimNull = strIn > > > > End If > > > > > > > > End Function > > > > > > > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From mcp2004 at mail.ru Tue Oct 23 17:54:50 2012 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=) Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2012 02:54:50 +0400 Subject: [AccessD] =?utf-8?q?cool_animation?= In-Reply-To: <4C0AA81B3C424DFDBA4E05F2B10787AD@creativesystemdesigns.com> References: <5085996D.7090401@colbyconsulting.com><5085A6F6.5090509@colbyconsulting.com><74BB442BA546498EA9AA0B0DC88875A2@creativesystemdesigns.com> <1350988678.150328261@f57.mail.ru> <4C0AA81B3C424DFDBA4E05F2B10787AD@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: <1351032890.284184285@f295.mail.ru> Thank you, Jim. Tue, 23 Oct 2012 12:15:54 -0700 ?? "Jim Lawrence" : > > > > >My youngest daughter did three years of college at one university, paid via > scholarship, then worked a years, did one more year at a new university > college and finally completed her animation degree at UBC, in three more > years. It took over seven years of university to get her full degree. Last > year she won a further education scholarship, for a 5 minute video/movie she > produced, and used it to take further mentoring through a six months > training course at Pixar Studios. > > Now she works for a company that does 3D real-time animation for machinery, > mostly military hardware and works in her spare time free-lancing for a > variety of small companies who need short term specialty work. > > Related: The emphasizes today is producing graphics suitable for web based > deployment accompanied with real-time streaming. That is a whole new field > of mathematics and image management. The game companies are the leaders in > this new field. Their systems uses high end image compression, asynchronies > streaming, background/parallel processing, intelligent caching, > filters/overlays, with sparse-image-cells (only the parts of the screen that > are current animated are being transferred) and they are even developing AI > systems to anticipate user responses. It is interesting to see just how fast > mixed quality images can be transferred, through small to large band-width > and produce a good user experience. Also learned that Hadoop is not just for > distributive computing to support Map Reduce databases but to manage > thousands of online users in complex interactive game scenarios. This is > also one the reason browser makers have been working so hard to make their > browser's faster, smaller and run on every PC, tablet and Smartphone. > > I took in a couple of seminars, at the professional animators convention, > over in Vancouver, a couple of months ago, with my daughters and that is why > I am such an expert....not; ;-) but for any young person looking for a > high-end career...there are so many fields of expertise needed in consumer > data and graphics distribution and production. > > Jim > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Salakhetdinov > Shamil > Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2012 3:38 AM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] cool animation > > So cool! > > They seems to have the whole animation picturing process automated by MIDI- > events: > >http://www.youtube.com/channel/HCNCYsgxFtWZE?feature=relchannel? > > "Unlike many other music visualizations, the music drives the animation. > While other productions might animate figures or characters to the music, > the animated models in Animusic are created first, and are then programmed > to follow what the music "tells them" to. 'Solo cams' featured on the > Animusic DVD shows how each instrument actually plays through a piece of > music from beginning to end." > > Has your daughter got professional education as an animator to work in an > animation studio? > I'm asking because my 11 years old son is "cooking" LEGO animations voicing > them in English with accompanying music and he is spending on that hobby a > lot of his free time. > He is using simple Canon PowerShot and a notebook or just Sony Ericsson > Walkman smart-phone with some animation apps - and I'm wondering where > should I look for for more information and tools for him to get his hobby > animations becoming more polished - maybe he will make that hobby his > profession in the future... > > Thank you. > > -- Shamil > > Mon, 22 Oct 2012 19:30:00 -0700 ?? "Jim Lawrence" : > >From my daughter who works for an animation studio, she says that is at > > > least a months work for a single 3D animator. > > > > > Jim > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby > > > Sent: Monday, October 22, 2012 4:05 PM > > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] cool animation > > > > > It is a company that does these videos and you can buy the actual videos. I > > > do not own stock, it was just passed to me as something cool, which 'deed it > > > is! > > > > > John W. Colby > > > Colby Consulting > > ><<< skipped >>> > -- > AccessD mailing list >AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- > AccessD mailing list >AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From vbacreations at gmail.com Tue Oct 23 19:47:57 2012 From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson) Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2012 20:47:57 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Recording Windows Version, 32/64 bit, and Access Version In-Reply-To: <004d01cdb170$107ca4b0$3175ee10$@comcast.net> References: <002c01cdb0b2$0595c0e0$10c142a0$@comcast.net> <000f01cdb130$de225170$9a66f450$@comcast.net> <50870889.7952.41BBE9FA@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <004d01cdb170$107ca4b0$3175ee10$@comcast.net> Message-ID: Same here. Much clearer in my opinion. On Oct 23, 2012 6:47 PM, "Dan Waters" wrote: > I didn't know it was faster. I would have written it like this just for > 'visual clarity'. > > Thanks! > Dan > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart > McLachlan > Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2012 4:14 PM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Recording Windows Version, 32/64 bit, and Access > Version > > Why would you rather write it like that? > > The original is faster and perfectly valid. > > IF evaluates intPos as a Boolean expression where any non-zero value is > True > and zero is False. > > I use that construction all the time. > > -- > Stuart > > On 23 Oct 2012 at 10:12, Dan Waters wrote: > > > Hi William, > > > > I had copied and tested that procedure but didn't read it closely. > > > > It does work correctly though because execution will only pass to the > > second choice if intPos = 0. > > > > Still, I would rather write it like this: > > > > If intPos <> 0 then > > > > Dan > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William > > Benson > > Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2012 8:37 AM > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Recording Windows Version, 32/64 bit, and > > Access Version > > > > If intPos is an integer why are you testing it like a boolean? > > On Oct 22, 2012 8:05 PM, "Dan Waters" wrote: > > > > > A couple of weeks ago I did some research to record Windows and > > > Access versions while a person was logging in. This is what I came up > with. > > > > > > > > > > > > HTH! > > > > > > Dan > > > > > > > > > > > > '--------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > > > > > Option Compare Database > > > > > > Option Explicit > > > > > > > > > > > > Private Type OSVERSIONINFO > > > > > > dwOSVersionInfoSize As Long > > > > > > dwMajorVersion As Long > > > > > > dwMinorVersion As Long > > > > > > dwBuildNumber As Long > > > > > > dwPlatformId As Long > > > > > > szCSDVersion As String * 128 > > > > > > End Type > > > > > > > > > > > > Public Declare Function GetVersionExA Lib "kernel32" > > > (lpVersionInformation As OSVERSIONINFO) As Integer > > > > > > > > > > > > Private Sub GetWindowsAccessVersion() > > > > > > > > > > > > '-- This will record the current windows version, whether the OS > > > is 32 bit or 64 bit, and the Access version for the person logging in. > > > > > > > > > > > > Dim stg As String > > > > > > Dim fso As FileSystemObject > > > > > > Dim int3264 As Integer > > > > > > Dim stgWindowsVersion As String > > > > > > Dim stgAccessVersion As String > > > > > > > > > > > > Set fso = CreateObject("Scripting.FileSystemObject") > > > > > > If fso.FolderExists("C:\Windows\sysWOW64") = True Then > > > > > > int3264 = 64 > > > > > > Else > > > > > > int3264 = 32 > > > > > > End If > > > > > > > > > > > > stgWindowsVersion = WindowsVersion > > > > > > stgAccessVersion = Application.Version & " - " & > > > Application.Build > > > > > > > > > > > > stg = "UPDATE tblPeopleMain SET" _ > > > > > > & " versionWindows = '" & stgWindowsVersion & "'," _ > > > > > > & " version3264 = " & int3264 & "," _ > > > > > > & " versionAccess = '" & stgAccessVersion & "'" _ > > > > > > & " WHERE PeopleID = " & GV.CurrentPeopleID > > > > > > DBEngine(0)(0).Execute stg, dbSeeChanges Or dbFailOnError > > > > > > > > > > > > Set fso = Nothing > > > > > > > > > > > > End Sub > > > > > > > > > > > > Public Function WindowsVersion() As String > > > > > > > > > > > > Dim osinfo As OSVERSIONINFO > > > > > > Dim retvalue As Integer > > > > > > > > > > > > osinfo.dwOSVersionInfoSize = 148 > > > > > > osinfo.szCSDVersion = Space$(128) > > > > > > retvalue = GetVersionExA(osinfo) > > > > > > > > > > > > WindowsVersion = osinfo.dwMajorVersion & "." & > > > osinfo.dwMinorVersion & " > > > Build (" & osinfo.dwBuildNumber & ") " & > > > fTrimNull(osinfo.szCSDVersion) > > > > > > > > > > > > End Function > > > > > > > > > > > > Private Function fTrimNull(strIn As String) As String > > > > > > > > > > > > Dim intPos As Integer > > > > > > > > > > > > intPos = InStr(1, strIn, vbNullChar) > > > > > > If intPos Then > > > > > > fTrimNull = Mid$(strIn, 1, intPos - 1) > > > > > > Else > > > > > > fTrimNull = strIn > > > > > > End If > > > > > > > > > > > > End Function > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > AccessD mailing list > > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From charlotte.foust at gmail.com Tue Oct 23 20:27:16 2012 From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust) Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2012 18:27:16 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] TableDefs vs. QueryDefs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Arthur, To use a querydef, you have to instantiate a querydef object and then use the OpenRecordset of the querydef object to return the recordset. So ... (Air Code) Dim rst As DAO.Recordset Dim qdf as DAO.Querydef Set rst = qdf.OpenRecordset Charlotte On Tue, Oct 23, 2012 at 2:01 PM, Arthur Fuller wrote: > Apparently I mistakenly assumed that a TableDef and a QueryDef were > equivalent, and would respond identically. This seems not to be so. > > I have a table called Peripherals, and a pair of queries based on it. Both > queries select all the fields explicitly (i.e. not *). One of them filters > the PeripheralType column to "LC"; the other filters it to "THC". Both > queries run fine by themselves. > > > Set rst = CurrentDb.TableDefs!Peripherals.OpenRecordset ' this > line works fine > Set rst = CurrentDb.QueryDefs!qryLCs.OpenRecordset ' this > one doesn't work at all > > > What should the syntax be, to open a named query and create a recordset > from it? > > TIA, > Arthur > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From marksimms at verizon.net Tue Oct 23 22:13:01 2012 From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms) Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2012 23:13:01 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Webmatrix 2 In-Reply-To: References: <5085996D.7090401@colbyconsulting.com><5085A6F6.5090509@colbyconsulting.com><74BB442BA546498EA9AA0B0DC88875A2@creativesystemdesigns.com><1350988678.150328261@f57.mail.ru> <015c01cdb128$3a978870$afc69950$@net> Message-ID: <00a801cdb195$7a7a95f0$6f6fc1d0$@net> Jim - I hear you, but still....I don't understand the business driver here. What doe this giveaway provide them with as far as offsetting compensation in the long run ? I know with the open source model, the money is in the support. Is that the same in this case ? > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd- > bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence > Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2012 3:31 PM > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Webmatrix 2 > > > It is free so you will use it for development and eventually use the > rest of > Microsoft tools. Also MS is using Google's burnt earth policy of > creating > free applications that effectively eliminate competition in their area > of > focus. > > It is also a very smart long term business plan; don't go for the quick > buck > but go for long-term customer commitment and loyalty which will net far > more > in five to ten years. How much better way to attract more developers? > > That's my guess. > > I will definitely be looking closer at this product so their plan is > working. > > Jim > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Simms > Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2012 7:11 AM > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > Subject: [AccessD] Webmatrix 2 > > Anyone using it ? > Why is it "free" ? > http://www.devproconnections.com/article/web-development/reconsidering- > webma > trix-web-development-144485 > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Tue Oct 23 22:57:26 2012 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2012 13:57:26 +1000 Subject: [AccessD] Webmatrix 2 In-Reply-To: <00a801cdb195$7a7a95f0$6f6fc1d0$@net> References: <5085996D.7090401@colbyconsulting.com>, , <00a801cdb195$7a7a95f0$6f6fc1d0$@net> Message-ID: <50876726.9451.432D8018@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Taking market share away from Adobe Dreamweaver etc and locking developers into yet more MS products? On 23 Oct 2012 at 23:13, Mark Simms wrote: > Jim - I hear you, but still....I don't understand the business driver here. > What doe this giveaway provide them with as far as offsetting compensation > in the long run ? > I know with the open source model, the money is in the support. > Is that the same in this case ? > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd- > > bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence > > Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2012 3:31 PM > > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Webmatrix 2 > > > > > > It is free so you will use it for development and eventually use the > > rest of > > Microsoft tools. Also MS is using Google's burnt earth policy of > > creating > > free applications that effectively eliminate competition in their area > > of > > focus. > > > > It is also a very smart long term business plan; don't go for the quick > > buck > > but go for long-term customer commitment and loyalty which will net far > > more > > in five to ten years. How much better way to attract more developers? > > > > That's my guess. > > > > I will definitely be looking closer at this product so their plan is > > working. > > > > Jim > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Simms > > Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2012 7:11 AM > > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > > Subject: [AccessD] Webmatrix 2 > > > > Anyone using it ? > > Why is it "free" ? > > http://www.devproconnections.com/article/web-development/reconsidering- > > webma > > trix-web-development-144485 > > > > > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Tue Oct 23 23:03:47 2012 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2012 14:03:47 +1000 Subject: [AccessD] Webmatrix 2 In-Reply-To: <50876726.9451.432D8018@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: <5085996D.7090401@colbyconsulting.com>, <00a801cdb195$7a7a95f0$6f6fc1d0$@net>, <50876726.9451.432D8018@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <508768A3.25084.43334F96@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Also: General: Shipping RTW version of IIS Express, Web Pages, Web Deploy, SQL CE and every other component which makes WebMatrix 2 into a one stop shop for web development. Trying to increase IIS market share against Apache? Trying to increase SQL CE market share against mySQL/SQLite? -- Stuart On 24 Oct 2012 at 13:57, Stuart McLachlan wrote: > Taking market share away from Adobe Dreamweaver etc and locking developers into yet > more MS products? > > > On 23 Oct 2012 at 23:13, Mark Simms wrote: > > > Jim - I hear you, but still....I don't understand the business driver here. > > What doe this giveaway provide them with as far as offsetting compensation > > in the long run ? > > I know with the open source model, the money is in the support. > > Is that the same in this case ? > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd- > > > bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence > > > Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2012 3:31 PM > > > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Webmatrix 2 > > > > > > > > > It is free so you will use it for development and eventually use the > > > rest of > > > Microsoft tools. Also MS is using Google's burnt earth policy of > > > creating > > > free applications that effectively eliminate competition in their area > > > of > > > focus. > > > > > > It is also a very smart long term business plan; don't go for the quick > > > buck > > > but go for long-term customer commitment and loyalty which will net far > > > more > > > in five to ten years. How much better way to attract more developers? > > > > > > That's my guess. > > > > > > I will definitely be looking closer at this product so their plan is > > > working. > > > > > > Jim > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Simms > > > Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2012 7:11 AM > > > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > > > Subject: [AccessD] Webmatrix 2 > > > > > > Anyone using it ? > > > Why is it "free" ? > > > http://www.devproconnections.com/article/web-development/reconsidering- > > > webma > > > trix-web-development-144485 > > > > > > > > > -- > > > AccessD mailing list > > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > -- > > > AccessD mailing list > > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From gustav at cactus.dk Wed Oct 24 05:31:39 2012 From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2012 12:31:39 +0200 Subject: [AccessD] Toggle the Navigation Pane in A2010 Message-ID: <005401cdb1d2$c0b1aad0$42150070$@cactus.dk> Hi all A client requested the option to toggle the Navigation Pane in A2010 by pressing Ctrl+F2. Perhaps you may find it useful: Public Function EnableNavigationPane(Optional ByVal varEnable As Variant) As Boolean ' Set or toggle if the Navigation Pane should be visible or not. ' Requirement: At least one form must exist in the database. ' ' 2012-10-24. Cactus Data ApS, CPH. ' ' Can be used with AutoKeys macro to be toggled with key combination Ctrl+F2 ' ' Import AutoKeys by saving the following lines as a text file. ' Remove leading single quotes. ' Run this command: ' LoadFromText acMacro, "AutoKeys", "d:\path\autokeys.txt" 'Version = 196611 'PublishOption = 1 'ColumnsShown = 0 'Begin ' MacroName = "^{F2}" ' Action = "RunCommand" ' Argument = "2" 'End 'Begin ' Action = "RunCode" ' Argument = "EnableNavigationPane()" 'End 'Begin ' Comment ="_AXL:\015\012WindowHideEnableNavigation" ' "Pane() From jimdettman at verizon.net Wed Oct 24 08:05:53 2012 From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman) Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2012 09:05:53 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] TableDefs vs. QueryDefs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <> You have to be careful how you handle that. I wrote an article on what I think is the best overall solution for both performance and avoiding the pitfalls: CurrentDB() vs. dbEngine.Workspaces(0).Databases(0) and an alternative http://rdsrc.us/OjCqDe Jim. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan, Lambert Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2012 05:11 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] TableDefs vs. QueryDefs Arthur, DAO Code? Set rst = CurrentDb.OpenRecordset("qryLCs" ,dbOpenDynaset) That works for tables of queries, though I would not use CurrentDb. Rather set a variable first Dim Db as DOA.Database Set Db = CurrentDb Set rst = Db.OpenRecordset("qryLCs" ,dbOpenDynaset) ... A bunch of reasons for this, not least that when you call CurrentDb you get back a reference to the database in its current state. The next call to CurrentDb returns a *different* reference to the database. Not an issue most of the time, but can introduce subtle bugs. So it's best to get a Db object initialized and use that throughout your code. Lambert -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2012 5:02 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: [AccessD] TableDefs vs. QueryDefs Apparently I mistakenly assumed that a TableDef and a QueryDef were equivalent, and would respond identically. This seems not to be so. I have a table called Peripherals, and a pair of queries based on it. Both queries select all the fields explicitly (i.e. not *). One of them filters the PeripheralType column to "LC"; the other filters it to "THC". Both queries run fine by themselves. Set rst = CurrentDb.TableDefs!Peripherals.OpenRecordset ' this line works fine Set rst = CurrentDb.QueryDefs!qryLCs.OpenRecordset ' this one doesn't work at all What should the syntax be, to open a named query and create a recordset from it? TIA, Arthur -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Wed Oct 24 08:52:30 2012 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2012 09:52:30 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] TableDefs vs. QueryDefs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5087F29E.1090701@colbyconsulting.com> A succinct and cogent explanation and solution to the problem. John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it On 10/24/2012 9:05 AM, Jim Dettman wrote: > > < code.>> > > You have to be careful how you handle that. I wrote an article on what I > think is the best overall solution for both performance and avoiding the > pitfalls: > > CurrentDB() vs. dbEngine.Workspaces(0).Databases(0) and an alternative > http://rdsrc.us/OjCqDe > > Jim. From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Wed Oct 24 10:21:13 2012 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2012 11:21:13 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Arvixe web hosting - was Free Cloud based MySQL In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <50880769.5070909@colbyconsulting.com> Robert, I have databases that I am managing on my own servers using Hamachi. I would like to get rid of this and do it out on the internet. What I need to know from you is how do you manage more than one database? Using Hamachi I hit an IP address which is literally a number, with that ,1433 at the end. On my server I have multiple databases, each of which have users set up by me, with passwords etc and inside of SQL Server those users can "see" only a single database. Thus if I come in as UserXYZ I can get at DatabaseXYZ and if I come in as UserABC I can only get at DatabaseABC. I assume that If I go with this company the same methodology is going to work except that the IP will now be ColbyConsulting.com,1433? BTW it is possible to change that default port to another port number to help defend against probing of that port. I am not sure how much it helps. What CMS do you use for the web side of things? John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it On 9/28/2012 1:13 PM, Robert Stewart wrote: > I use Arvixe for hosting. I can admin it through SSMS (SQL Server. > I can also access it with MS Access if I add ,1433 to the end of > the ODBC server name. > > 1433 is the normal port for SQL Server. > > While it is not free, It is only about 200 for 2 years. > From dw-murphy at cox.net Wed Oct 24 11:40:38 2012 From: dw-murphy at cox.net (Doug Murphy) Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2012 09:40:38 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Arvixe web hosting - was Free Cloud based MySQL In-Reply-To: <50880769.5070909@colbyconsulting.com> References: <50880769.5070909@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <00ac01cdb206$4c6863b0$e5392b10$@cox.net> John, Can't speak for Robert but I use Arvixe for a number of SQL Server databases and connect without specifying the port. SQL Server Management studio may have a default but I don't mess with it. When connecting from Access I put the connection in the table def and relink every time the database opens. My connection is of the format shown below. ODBC;DRIVER=SQL Server Native Client 10.0;SERVER=poppy.arvixe.com;APP=MicrosoftR WindowsR Operating System;DATABASE=DATABASENAME;UID=USERNAME;PWD=PASSWORD; I have found Arvixe tech support to be excellent and when called have given great assistance. Doug -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2012 8:21 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: [AccessD] Arvixe web hosting - was Free Cloud based MySQL Robert, I have databases that I am managing on my own servers using Hamachi. I would like to get rid of this and do it out on the internet. What I need to know from you is how do you manage more than one database? Using Hamachi I hit an IP address which is literally a number, with that ,1433 at the end. On my server I have multiple databases, each of which have users set up by me, with passwords etc and inside of SQL Server those users can "see" only a single database. Thus if I come in as UserXYZ I can get at DatabaseXYZ and if I come in as UserABC I can only get at DatabaseABC. I assume that If I go with this company the same methodology is going to work except that the IP will now be ColbyConsulting.com,1433? BTW it is possible to change that default port to another port number to help defend against probing of that port. I am not sure how much it helps. What CMS do you use for the web side of things? John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it On 9/28/2012 1:13 PM, Robert Stewart wrote: > I use Arvixe for hosting. I can admin it through SSMS (SQL Server. > I can also access it with MS Access if I add ,1433 to the end of the > ODBC server name. > > 1433 is the normal port for SQL Server. > > While it is not free, It is only about 200 for 2 years. > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Wed Oct 24 12:30:27 2012 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2012 13:30:27 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Arvixe web hosting - was Free Cloud based MySQL In-Reply-To: <00ac01cdb206$4c6863b0$e5392b10$@cox.net> References: <50880769.5070909@colbyconsulting.com> <00ac01cdb206$4c6863b0$e5392b10$@cox.net> Message-ID: <508825B3.9040800@colbyconsulting.com> They show "unlimited" for SQL Server databases but what is the real deal? I can't find a cost / mb stored anywhere. John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it On 10/24/2012 12:40 PM, Doug Murphy wrote: > John, > > Can't speak for Robert but I use Arvixe for a number of SQL Server databases > and connect without specifying the port. SQL Server Management studio may > have a default but I don't mess with it. When connecting from Access I put > the connection in the table def and relink every time the database opens. My > connection is of the format shown below. > > ODBC;DRIVER=SQL Server Native Client > 10.0;SERVER=poppy.arvixe.com;APP=MicrosoftR WindowsR Operating > System;DATABASE=DATABASENAME;UID=USERNAME;PWD=PASSWORD; > > I have found Arvixe tech support to be excellent and when called have given > great assistance. > > Doug > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby > Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2012 8:21 AM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: [AccessD] Arvixe web hosting - was Free Cloud based MySQL > > Robert, > > I have databases that I am managing on my own servers using Hamachi. I > would like to get rid of this and do it out on the internet. What I need to > know from you is how do you manage more than one database? Using Hamachi I > hit an IP address which is literally a number, with that ,1433 at the end. > > On my server I have multiple databases, each of which have users set up by > me, with passwords etc and inside of SQL Server those users can "see" only a > single database. Thus if I come in as UserXYZ I can get at DatabaseXYZ and > if I come in as UserABC I can only get at DatabaseABC. > > I assume that If I go with this company the same methodology is going to > work except that the IP will now be ColbyConsulting.com,1433? BTW it is > possible to change that default port to another port number to help defend > against probing of that port. I am not sure how much it helps. > > What CMS do you use for the web side of things? > > John W. Colby > Colby Consulting > > Reality is what refuses to go away > when you do not believe in it > > On 9/28/2012 1:13 PM, Robert Stewart wrote: >> I use Arvixe for hosting. I can admin it through SSMS (SQL Server. >> I can also access it with MS Access if I add ,1433 to the end of the >> ODBC server name. >> >> 1433 is the normal port for SQL Server. >> >> While it is not free, It is only about 200 for 2 years. >> > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From jimdettman at verizon.net Wed Oct 24 13:00:34 2012 From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman) Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2012 14:00:34 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Arvixe web hosting - was Free Cloud based MySQL In-Reply-To: <50880769.5070909@colbyconsulting.com> References: <50880769.5070909@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: John, <> That would be the case as a DNS entry just translates to an IP anyway. The advantage to using DNS is that you can swap out servers, which have different IP's, and nothing changes for the end user. This is true with anything (HTML, FTP, TELNET, AS2, etc) Jim. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2012 11:21 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: [AccessD] Arvixe web hosting - was Free Cloud based MySQL Robert, I have databases that I am managing on my own servers using Hamachi. I would like to get rid of this and do it out on the internet. What I need to know from you is how do you manage more than one database? Using Hamachi I hit an IP address which is literally a number, with that ,1433 at the end. On my server I have multiple databases, each of which have users set up by me, with passwords etc and inside of SQL Server those users can "see" only a single database. Thus if I come in as UserXYZ I can get at DatabaseXYZ and if I come in as UserABC I can only get at DatabaseABC. I assume that If I go with this company the same methodology is going to work except that the IP will now be ColbyConsulting.com,1433? BTW it is possible to change that default port to another port number to help defend against probing of that port. I am not sure how much it helps. What CMS do you use for the web side of things? John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it On 9/28/2012 1:13 PM, Robert Stewart wrote: > I use Arvixe for hosting. I can admin it through SSMS (SQL Server. > I can also access it with MS Access if I add ,1433 to the end of > the ODBC server name. > > 1433 is the normal port for SQL Server. > > While it is not free, It is only about 200 for 2 years. > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From dw-murphy at cox.net Wed Oct 24 15:43:08 2012 From: dw-murphy at cox.net (Doug Murphy) Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2012 13:43:08 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Arvixe web hosting - was Free Cloud based MySQL In-Reply-To: <508825B3.9040800@colbyconsulting.com> References: <50880769.5070909@colbyconsulting.com> <00ac01cdb206$4c6863b0$e5392b10$@cox.net> <508825B3.9040800@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <004401cdb228$2d272af0$877580d0$@cox.net> Have not run into a limit. The web sites and databases we run on Arvixe aren't large but they do advertise no limit on the number of databases. So far I have only created 3 sql server db on one hosting account. No problems. Doug -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2012 10:30 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Arvixe web hosting - was Free Cloud based MySQL They show "unlimited" for SQL Server databases but what is the real deal? I can't find a cost / mb stored anywhere. John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it On 10/24/2012 12:40 PM, Doug Murphy wrote: > John, > > Can't speak for Robert but I use Arvixe for a number of SQL Server > databases and connect without specifying the port. SQL Server > Management studio may have a default but I don't mess with it. When > connecting from Access I put the connection in the table def and > relink every time the database opens. My connection is of the format shown below. > > ODBC;DRIVER=SQL Server Native Client > 10.0;SERVER=poppy.arvixe.com;APP=MicrosoftR WindowsR Operating > System;DATABASE=DATABASENAME;UID=USERNAME;PWD=PASSWORD; > > I have found Arvixe tech support to be excellent and when called have > given great assistance. > > Doug > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby > Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2012 8:21 AM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: [AccessD] Arvixe web hosting - was Free Cloud based MySQL > > Robert, > > I have databases that I am managing on my own servers using Hamachi. > I would like to get rid of this and do it out on the internet. What I > need to know from you is how do you manage more than one database? > Using Hamachi I hit an IP address which is literally a number, with that ,1433 at the end. > > On my server I have multiple databases, each of which have users set > up by me, with passwords etc and inside of SQL Server those users can > "see" only a single database. Thus if I come in as UserXYZ I can get > at DatabaseXYZ and if I come in as UserABC I can only get at DatabaseABC. > > I assume that If I go with this company the same methodology is going > to work except that the IP will now be ColbyConsulting.com,1433? BTW > it is possible to change that default port to another port number to > help defend against probing of that port. I am not sure how much it helps. > > What CMS do you use for the web side of things? > > John W. Colby > Colby Consulting > > Reality is what refuses to go away > when you do not believe in it > > On 9/28/2012 1:13 PM, Robert Stewart wrote: >> I use Arvixe for hosting. I can admin it through SSMS (SQL Server. >> I can also access it with MS Access if I add ,1433 to the end of the >> ODBC server name. >> >> 1433 is the normal port for SQL Server. >> >> While it is not free, It is only about 200 for 2 years. >> > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Wed Oct 24 17:02:07 2012 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2012 18:02:07 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Arvixe SQL Server Message-ID: <5088655F.7000202@colbyconsulting.com> Runs on SQL Server Express 2008 R2 on all asp hosting plans. OK for light weight needs (mine currently) but not so good for heavy duty needs. -- John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Wed Oct 24 17:13:58 2012 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2012 18:13:58 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Arvixe web hosting - was Free Cloud based MySQL In-Reply-To: <00ac01cdb206$4c6863b0$e5392b10$@cox.net> References: <50880769.5070909@colbyconsulting.com> <00ac01cdb206$4c6863b0$e5392b10$@cox.net> Message-ID: <50886826.8080503@colbyconsulting.com> Do you use one of their supported CMS? I have been with DNN for so long I haven't a clue what I should use to build my actual site but I need to get there. John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it On 10/24/2012 12:40 PM, Doug Murphy wrote: > John, > > Can't speak for Robert but I use Arvixe for a number of SQL Server databases > and connect without specifying the port. SQL Server Management studio may > have a default but I don't mess with it. When connecting from Access I put > the connection in the table def and relink every time the database opens. My > connection is of the format shown below. > > ODBC;DRIVER=SQL Server Native Client > 10.0;SERVER=poppy.arvixe.com;APP=MicrosoftR WindowsR Operating > System;DATABASE=DATABASENAME;UID=USERNAME;PWD=PASSWORD; > > I have found Arvixe tech support to be excellent and when called have given > great assistance. > > Doug > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby > Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2012 8:21 AM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: [AccessD] Arvixe web hosting - was Free Cloud based MySQL > > Robert, > > I have databases that I am managing on my own servers using Hamachi. I > would like to get rid of this and do it out on the internet. What I need to > know from you is how do you manage more than one database? Using Hamachi I > hit an IP address which is literally a number, with that ,1433 at the end. > > On my server I have multiple databases, each of which have users set up by > me, with passwords etc and inside of SQL Server those users can "see" only a > single database. Thus if I come in as UserXYZ I can get at DatabaseXYZ and > if I come in as UserABC I can only get at DatabaseABC. > > I assume that If I go with this company the same methodology is going to > work except that the IP will now be ColbyConsulting.com,1433? BTW it is > possible to change that default port to another port number to help defend > against probing of that port. I am not sure how much it helps. > > What CMS do you use for the web side of things? > > John W. Colby > Colby Consulting > > Reality is what refuses to go away > when you do not believe in it > > On 9/28/2012 1:13 PM, Robert Stewart wrote: >> I use Arvixe for hosting. I can admin it through SSMS (SQL Server. >> I can also access it with MS Access if I add ,1433 to the end of the >> ODBC server name. >> >> 1433 is the normal port for SQL Server. >> >> While it is not free, It is only about 200 for 2 years. >> > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From dw-murphy at cox.net Wed Oct 24 17:47:56 2012 From: dw-murphy at cox.net (Doug Murphy) Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2012 15:47:56 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Arvixe SQL Server In-Reply-To: <5088655F.7000202@colbyconsulting.com> References: <5088655F.7000202@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <005101cdb239$9bfb9a90$d3f2cfb0$@cox.net> Still pretty good for $120 for 2 years unlimited databases on a machine someone else maintains and operates. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2012 3:02 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: [AccessD] Arvixe SQL Server Runs on SQL Server Express 2008 R2 on all asp hosting plans. OK for light weight needs (mine currently) but not so good for heavy duty needs. -- John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From dw-murphy at cox.net Wed Oct 24 17:53:04 2012 From: dw-murphy at cox.net (Doug Murphy) Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2012 15:53:04 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Arvixe web hosting - was Free Cloud based MySQL In-Reply-To: <50886826.8080503@colbyconsulting.com> References: <50880769.5070909@colbyconsulting.com> <00ac01cdb206$4c6863b0$e5392b10$@cox.net> <50886826.8080503@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <005201cdb23a$53dcf7d0$fb96e770$@cox.net> I have two DotNetNuke sites running on Arvixe, different accounts. We have another on PowerDNN. Arvixe runs DNN just as well as PowerDNN and is much cheaper. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2012 3:14 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Arvixe web hosting - was Free Cloud based MySQL Do you use one of their supported CMS? I have been with DNN for so long I haven't a clue what I should use to build my actual site but I need to get there. John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it On 10/24/2012 12:40 PM, Doug Murphy wrote: > John, > > Can't speak for Robert but I use Arvixe for a number of SQL Server > databases and connect without specifying the port. SQL Server > Management studio may have a default but I don't mess with it. When > connecting from Access I put the connection in the table def and > relink every time the database opens. My connection is of the format shown below. > > ODBC;DRIVER=SQL Server Native Client > 10.0;SERVER=poppy.arvixe.com;APP=MicrosoftR WindowsR Operating > System;DATABASE=DATABASENAME;UID=USERNAME;PWD=PASSWORD; > > I have found Arvixe tech support to be excellent and when called have > given great assistance. > > Doug > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby > Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2012 8:21 AM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: [AccessD] Arvixe web hosting - was Free Cloud based MySQL > > Robert, > > I have databases that I am managing on my own servers using Hamachi. > I would like to get rid of this and do it out on the internet. What I > need to know from you is how do you manage more than one database? > Using Hamachi I hit an IP address which is literally a number, with that ,1433 at the end. > > On my server I have multiple databases, each of which have users set > up by me, with passwords etc and inside of SQL Server those users can > "see" only a single database. Thus if I come in as UserXYZ I can get > at DatabaseXYZ and if I come in as UserABC I can only get at DatabaseABC. > > I assume that If I go with this company the same methodology is going > to work except that the IP will now be ColbyConsulting.com,1433? BTW > it is possible to change that default port to another port number to > help defend against probing of that port. I am not sure how much it helps. > > What CMS do you use for the web side of things? > > John W. Colby > Colby Consulting > > Reality is what refuses to go away > when you do not believe in it > > On 9/28/2012 1:13 PM, Robert Stewart wrote: >> I use Arvixe for hosting. I can admin it through SSMS (SQL Server. >> I can also access it with MS Access if I add ,1433 to the end of the >> ODBC server name. >> >> 1433 is the normal port for SQL Server. >> >> While it is not free, It is only about 200 for 2 years. >> > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Wed Oct 24 21:30:30 2012 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2012 22:30:30 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Arvixe web hosting In-Reply-To: References: <50880769.5070909@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <5088A446.6080209@colbyconsulting.com> I am in, I have created an empty database and I have SSMS connecting to it using SQL Server Security and my username / password. It is somewhat disconcerting to see 47 SQL Server databases running on a single SQL Server Express server. Hmmm... What I am trying to figure out now is how I move an existing database from my system to theirs. I assume a backup / ftp / restore but it seems like there are going to be issues to overcome. For example I use a windows user and windows security for creating and managing the databases on my system. Thus the "owner" is jwcolby on my server. There is no jwcolby user on their system (at windows level). If I don't do a backup / restore, then even if I manage to script every object and build that out on the host server how does one get the data over? John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it On 10/24/2012 2:00 PM, Jim Dettman wrote: > John, > > < work except that the IP > will now be ColbyConsulting.com,1433? >> > > That would be the case as a DNS entry just translates to an IP anyway. > The advantage to using DNS is that you can swap out servers, which have > different IP's, and nothing changes for the end user. This is true with > anything (HTML, FTP, TELNET, AS2, etc) > > Jim. From gustav at cactus.dk Thu Oct 25 05:15:05 2012 From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2012 12:15:05 +0200 Subject: [AccessD] Toggle the Navigation Pane in A2010 Message-ID: <004701cdb299$9aea28f0$d0be7ad0$@cactus.dk> Hi all Sorry, wrong macro was included. /gustav ---- Hi all A client requested the option to toggle the Navigation Pane in A2010 by pressing Ctrl+F2. Perhaps you may find it useful: Public Function EnableNavigationPane(Optional ByVal varEnable As Variant) As Boolean ' Set or toggle if the Navigation Pane should be visible or not. ' Requirement: At least one form must exist in the database. ' ' 2012-10-24. Cactus Data ApS, CPH. ' ' Can be used with AutoKeys macro to be toggled with key combination Ctrl+F2 ' ' Import AutoKeys by saving the following lines as a text file. ' Remove leading single quotes. ' Run this command: ' LoadFromText acMacro, "AutoKeys", "d:\path\autokeys.txt" 'Version =196611 'PublishOption =1 'ColumnsShown =0 'Begin ' MacroName ="^{F2}" ' Action ="RunCode" ' Argument ="EnableNavigationPane()" 'End 'Begin ' Comment ="_AXL:\015\012EnableNavigationPane()" 'End Static strForm As String Static booEnabled As Boolean On Error Resume Next If strForm = "" Then ' Find and store name of first form. strForm = DBEngine(0)(0).Containers!Forms.Documents(0).Name End If If Not IsMissing(varEnable) Then booEnabled = Not CBool(varEnable) End If DoCmd.SelectObject acForm, strForm, True If booEnabled = True Then DoCmd.RunCommand acCmdWindowHide End If booEnabled = Not booEnabled EnableNavigationPane = booEnabled End Function From garykjos at gmail.com Thu Oct 25 05:24:40 2012 From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos) Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2012 05:24:40 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Toggle the Navigation Pane in A2010 In-Reply-To: <004701cdb299$9aea28f0$d0be7ad0$@cactus.dk> References: <004701cdb299$9aea28f0$d0be7ad0$@cactus.dk> Message-ID: Thanks for sharing Gustav. On Thursday, October 25, 2012, Gustav Brock wrote: > Hi all > > Sorry, wrong macro was included. > > /gustav > > ---- > Hi all > > A client requested the option to toggle the Navigation Pane in A2010 by > pressing Ctrl+F2. > Perhaps you may find it useful: > > > Public Function EnableNavigationPane(Optional ByVal varEnable As Variant) As > Boolean > > ' Set or toggle if the Navigation Pane should be visible or not. > ' Requirement: At least one form must exist in the database. > ' > ' 2012-10-24. Cactus Data ApS, CPH. > ' > ' Can be used with AutoKeys macro to be toggled with key combination Ctrl+F2 > ' > ' Import AutoKeys by saving the following lines as a text file. > ' Remove leading single quotes. > ' Run this command: > ' LoadFromText acMacro, "AutoKeys", "d:\path\autokeys.txt" > > 'Version =196611 > 'PublishOption =1 > 'ColumnsShown =0 > 'Begin > ' MacroName ="^{F2}" > ' Action ="RunCode" > ' Argument ="EnableNavigationPane()" > 'End > 'Begin > ' Comment ="_AXL: standalone=\"no\"?>\015\012 ' "nterfaceMacro MinimumClientDesignVersion=\"14.0.0000.0000\" > xmlns=\"http://schem" > ' "as.microsoft.com/office/accessservices/2009/11/application\" > xmlns:a=\"http://sc" > ' "hemas.microsoft.com/office/acc" > 'End > 'Begin > ' Comment ="_AXL:essservices/2009/11/forms\"> Name=\"^{F2}\"> ' "ction Name=\"RunCode\"> Name=\"FunctionName\">EnableNavigationPane() ' "rgument>" > 'End > > > Static strForm As String > Static booEnabled As Boolean > > On Error Resume Next > > If strForm = "" Then > ' Find and store name of first form. > strForm = DBEngine(0)(0).Containers!Forms.Documents(0).Name > End If > If Not IsMissing(varEnable) Then > booEnabled = Not CBool(varEnable) > End If > > DoCmd.SelectObject acForm, strForm, True > If booEnabled = True Then > DoCmd.RunCommand acCmdWindowHide > End If > booEnabled = Not booEnabled > > EnableNavigationPane = booEnabled > > End Function > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Gary Kjos garykjos at gmail.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Thu Oct 25 09:24:38 2012 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2012 10:24:38 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Toggle the Navigation Pane in A2010 In-Reply-To: References: <004701cdb299$9aea28f0$d0be7ad0$@cactus.dk> Message-ID: Gustav, I haven't tried your code yet, but something looks wonky in this snippet: > Name=\"^{F2}\"> ' "ction Name=\"RunCode\"> Name=\"FunctionName\">EnableNavigationPane() ' "rgument>" Is it correct as is? Arthur From dw-murphy at cox.net Thu Oct 25 10:20:29 2012 From: dw-murphy at cox.net (Doug Murphy) Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2012 08:20:29 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Arvixe web hosting In-Reply-To: <5088A446.6080209@colbyconsulting.com> References: <50880769.5070909@colbyconsulting.com> <5088A446.6080209@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <003f01cdb2c4$44711c10$cd535430$@cox.net> I do a backup and restore it on the Arvixe server. If you look at the hosting account you will see a data folder. Put your backup there. I use the Arvixe Database control panel to do the restore. It will look in the data folder. I tried briefly to do a restore using SQL Server Management Studio, but had file permission issues so went with the inhouse tool. You can create users in the online database control panel. I have not tried setting up security through SQL Server Management Studio on the Arvixe site. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2012 7:31 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Arvixe web hosting I am in, I have created an empty database and I have SSMS connecting to it using SQL Server Security and my username / password. It is somewhat disconcerting to see 47 SQL Server databases running on a single SQL Server Express server. Hmmm... What I am trying to figure out now is how I move an existing database from my system to theirs. I assume a backup / ftp / restore but it seems like there are going to be issues to overcome. For example I use a windows user and windows security for creating and managing the databases on my system. Thus the "owner" is jwcolby on my server. There is no jwcolby user on their system (at windows level). If I don't do a backup / restore, then even if I manage to script every object and build that out on the host server how does one get the data over? John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it On 10/24/2012 2:00 PM, Jim Dettman wrote: > John, > > < going to work except that the IP will now be ColbyConsulting.com,1433? > >> > > That would be the case as a DNS entry just translates to an IP anyway. > The advantage to using DNS is that you can swap out servers, which > have different IP's, and nothing changes for the end user. This is > true with anything (HTML, FTP, TELNET, AS2, etc) > > Jim. -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From gustav at cactus.dk Thu Oct 25 10:43:46 2012 From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2012 17:43:46 +0200 Subject: [AccessD] Toggle the Navigation Pane in A2010 In-Reply-To: References: <004701cdb299$9aea28f0$d0be7ad0$@cactus.dk> Message-ID: <006701cdb2c7$85934670$90b9d350$@cactus.dk> Hi Arthur Yes. It's: Action Name= /gustav -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Arthur Fuller Sendt: 25. oktober 2012 16:25 Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Emne: Re: [AccessD] Toggle the Navigation Pane in A2010 Gustav, I haven't tried your code yet, but something looks wonky in this snippet: > Name=\"^{F2}\"> ' "ction Name=\"RunCode\"> Name=\"FunctionName\">EnableNavigationPane() ' "rgument>" Is it correct as is? Arthur From accessd at shaw.ca Fri Oct 26 13:27:11 2012 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2012 11:27:11 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] New iPad Game In-Reply-To: <006701cdb2c7$85934670$90b9d350$@cactus.dk> References: <004701cdb299$9aea28f0$d0be7ad0$@cactus.dk> <006701cdb2c7$85934670$90b9d350$@cactus.dk> Message-ID: My daughter is now working with a team of two other programmers who are building a simple kids game for the iPad. She is doing all the graphics and some of the animation sequences. At one point another member will be added to the team, a sound specialist. There is a bit of a rush on as they want the app finished by Christmas. It will be ported to Android tablets as well but iPad users pay well. If it sells it may be ported to Windows8 tablets but that will be another months works. Jim From davidmcafee at gmail.com Fri Oct 26 13:50:38 2012 From: davidmcafee at gmail.com (David McAfee) Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2012 11:50:38 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] New iPad Game In-Reply-To: References: <004701cdb299$9aea28f0$d0be7ad0$@cactus.dk> <006701cdb2c7$85934670$90b9d350$@cactus.dk> Message-ID: Awesome. Is she writing the apps in Objective C, or is she using some common shared language for the 3 devices? Something like HTML5, or similar? On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 11:27 AM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > > My daughter is now working with a team of two other programmers who are > building a simple kids game for the iPad. She is doing all the graphics and > some of the animation sequences. At one point another member will be added > to the team, a sound specialist. > > There is a bit of a rush on as they want the app finished by Christmas. It > will be ported to Android tablets as well but iPad users pay well. If it > sells it may be ported to Windows8 tablets but that will be another months > works. > > Jim > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From rls at WeBeDb.com Fri Oct 26 14:48:36 2012 From: rls at WeBeDb.com (Robert Stewart) Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2012 14:48:36 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Arvixe web hosting - was Free Cloud based MySQL In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: See below... At 01:50 PM 10/26/2012, you wrote: >Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2012 11:21:13 -0400 >From: jwcolby >To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > >Subject: [AccessD] Arvixe web hosting - was Free Cloud based MySQL >Message-ID: <50880769.5070909 at colbyconsulting.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > >Robert, > >I have databases that I am managing on my own servers using >Hamachi. I would like to get rid of >this and do it out on the internet. What I need to know from you is >how do you manage more than one >database? Using Hamachi I hit an IP address which is literally a >number, with that ,1433 at the end. My "admin" account give me access to all of the databases I create. I create user account and give them specific access to specific databases. >On my server I have multiple databases, each of which have users set >up by me, with passwords etc >and inside of SQL Server those users can "see" only a single >database. Thus if I come in as UserXYZ >I can get at DatabaseXYZ and if I come in as UserABC I can only get >at DatabaseABC. In my case, that would only happen if you connected to the server as a user and not as the admin. >I assume that If I go with this company the same methodology is >going to work except that the IP >will now be ColbyConsulting.com,1433? BTW it is possible to change >that default port to another >port number to help defend against probing of that port. I am not >sure how much it helps. no, it is still sql.holly.arvixe.com,1433. I cannot use WeBeDb.com,1433. >What CMS do you use for the web side of things? None. I do my pages with asp.net and am moving everything to Silverlight. And, before everyone gets started, I know it is supposed to be dying, but I don't care. It gives a much better UI that ASP.Net can and I am not going to learn JavaScript. Until the browsers completely stop supporting it, I will use it. Maybe by then, they will realize the mistake JavaScript is and killing Silverlight is. >John W. Colby >Colby Consulting > >Reality is what refuses to go away >when you do not believe in it > >On 9/28/2012 1:13 PM, Robert Stewart wrote: > > I use Arvixe for hosting. I can admin it through SSMS (SQL Server. > > I can also access it with MS Access if I add ,1433 to the end of > > the ODBC server name. > > > > 1433 is the normal port for SQL Server. > > > > While it is not free, It is only about 200 for 2 years. > > Robert L. Stewart Any fool can write code that a computer can understand. Good programmers write code that humans can understand. --Martin Fowler www.WeBeDb.com www.DBGUIDesign.com www.RLStewartPhotography.com From rls at WeBeDb.com Fri Oct 26 14:49:41 2012 From: rls at WeBeDb.com (Robert Stewart) Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2012 14:49:41 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Arvixe web hosting - was Free Cloud based MySQL In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: SQL Express - as many databases as you want At 01:50 PM 10/26/2012, you wrote: >Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2012 13:30:27 -0400 >From: jwcolby >To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > >Subject: Re: [AccessD] Arvixe web hosting - was Free Cloud based MySQL >Message-ID: <508825B3.9040800 at colbyconsulting.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > >They show "unlimited" for SQL Server databases but what is the real >deal? I can't find a cost / mb >stored anywhere. > >John W. Colby >Colby Consulting Robert L. Stewart Any fool can write code that a computer can understand. Good programmers write code that humans can understand. --Martin Fowler www.WeBeDb.com www.DBGUIDesign.com www.RLStewartPhotography.com From rls at WeBeDb.com Fri Oct 26 14:52:06 2012 From: rls at WeBeDb.com (Robert Stewart) Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2012 14:52:06 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Arvixe web hosting In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Check the script generator. You can also script the data. At 01:50 PM 10/26/2012, you wrote: >Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2012 22:30:30 -0400 >From: jwcolby >To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > >Subject: Re: [AccessD] Arvixe web hosting >Message-ID: <5088A446.6080209 at colbyconsulting.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > >I am in, I have created an empty database and I have SSMS connecting >to it using SQL Server Security >and my username / password. > >It is somewhat disconcerting to see 47 SQL Server databases running >on a single SQL Server Express >server. Hmmm... > >What I am trying to figure out now is how I move an existing >database from my system to theirs. I >assume a backup / ftp / restore but it seems like there are going to >be issues to overcome. For >example I use a windows user and windows security for creating and >managing the databases on my >system. Thus the "owner" is jwcolby on my server. There is no >jwcolby user on their system (at >windows level). > >If I don't do a backup / restore, then even if I manage to script >every object and build that out on >the host server how does one get the data over? Robert L. Stewart Any fool can write code that a computer can understand. Good programmers write code that humans can understand. --Martin Fowler www.WeBeDb.com www.DBGUIDesign.com www.RLStewartPhotography.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Fri Oct 26 15:21:42 2012 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2012 13:21:42 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] New iPad Game In-Reply-To: References: <004701cdb299$9aea28f0$d0be7ad0$@cactus.dk> <006701cdb2c7$85934670$90b9d350$@cactus.dk> Message-ID: <8D75D389419C49798D5AB2EE17230567@HAL9007> Not sure how I got to this link today: -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Friday, October 26, 2012 11:27 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: [AccessD] New iPad Game My daughter is now working with a team of two other programmers who are building a simple kids game for the iPad. She is doing all the graphics and some of the animation sequences. At one point another member will be added to the team, a sound specialist. There is a bit of a rush on as they want the app finished by Christmas. It will be ported to Android tablets as well but iPad users pay well. If it sells it may be ported to Windows8 tablets but that will be another months works. Jim -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Fri Oct 26 15:23:02 2012 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2012 13:23:02 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] New iPad Game In-Reply-To: References: <004701cdb299$9aea28f0$d0be7ad0$@cactus.dk> <006701cdb2c7$85934670$90b9d350$@cactus.dk> Message-ID: <5649FF7290104740B7C3D511B0A0DE15@HAL9007> Not sure how I got to this link today: https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&NR=1&v=z0JmyRBoRgM But maybe it'll be of some help. After I retire in a couple months (hopefully) I've got an idea for an app. Someone on the list recommended Basic4Android. What platform are they using to make their app? R -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Friday, October 26, 2012 11:27 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: [AccessD] New iPad Game My daughter is now working with a team of two other programmers who are building a simple kids game for the iPad. She is doing all the graphics and some of the animation sequences. At one point another member will be added to the team, a sound specialist. There is a bit of a rush on as they want the app finished by Christmas. It will be ported to Android tablets as well but iPad users pay well. If it sells it may be ported to Windows8 tablets but that will be another months works. Jim -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Fri Oct 26 15:32:06 2012 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2012 13:32:06 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] New iPad Game In-Reply-To: References: <004701cdb299$9aea28f0$d0be7ad0$@cactus.dk><006701cdb2c7$85934670$90b9d350$@cactus.dk> Message-ID: She is don't only the graphics, characters and animation sequences...3D modeling. In Mya, After-affects and a couple more applications I can not remember. The two other guys are doing the programming and as I understand they are professional programmers with a number of years of similar projects to their credit. I will ask what development platforms they are using. Now a days, it is rare to find a single developer doing it all. No one can have that much knowledge, skill sets or spend that much time getting an application ready for market. You have to specialize and contract other specialists in as needed. Jim PS Right now she is working fulltime at a steady gig and now doing up to ten additional hours a day on this game project. Oh, to be young and have so much energy. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of David McAfee Sent: Friday, October 26, 2012 11:51 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] New iPad Game Awesome. Is she writing the apps in Objective C, or is she using some common shared language for the 3 devices? Something like HTML5, or similar? On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 11:27 AM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > > My daughter is now working with a team of two other programmers who are > building a simple kids game for the iPad. She is doing all the graphics and > some of the animation sequences. At one point another member will be added > to the team, a sound specialist. > > There is a bit of a rush on as they want the app finished by Christmas. It > will be ported to Android tablets as well but iPad users pay well. If it > sells it may be ported to Windows8 tablets but that will be another months > works. > > Jim > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Sun Oct 28 09:55:19 2012 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2012 07:55:19 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Vertical line on report Message-ID: Dear List: I have a report with several text boxes in the detail section. Each of the text boxes is 'Can Grow' so the height of several of the text boxes and of course, the detail section varies. Now the client wants a vertical line between two of the text boxes so that it makes a solid line vertically down the report. I've done this before on detail sections that don't grow making the vertical line exactly the height of the detail section- no problem - looks like a solid line. But of course with the height varying (some text boxes go to two lines on some records, some to three) the line is always too short. I tried playing around with the .Height property and while I can find out the height of a Can Grow text box in the Print event, the height of the vertical line can't be changed at that point. And the height of the detail section or text box in the Format event hasn't been changed yet from design view. Is there a workaround for this? MTIA Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software 858-259-4334 www.bchacc.com www.e-z-mrp.com Skype: rocky.smolin From dbdoug at gmail.com Sun Oct 28 10:45:07 2012 From: dbdoug at gmail.com (Doug Steele) Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2012 08:45:07 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Vertical line on report In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Rocky: I put the line drawing code in the Print event of the detail section. Drawing a vertical line with a length of Me.Height works there. Doug On Sun, Oct 28, 2012 at 7:55 AM, Rocky Smolin wrote: > Dear List: > > I have a report with several text boxes in the detail section. Each of the > text boxes is 'Can Grow' so the height of several of the text boxes and of > course, the detail section varies. > > Now the client wants a vertical line between two of the text boxes so that > it makes a solid line vertically down the report. > > I've done this before on detail sections that don't grow making the > vertical > line exactly the height of the detail section- no problem - looks like a > solid line. > > But of course with the height varying (some text boxes go to two lines on > some records, some to three) the line is always too short. > > I tried playing around with the .Height property and while I can find out > the height of a Can Grow text box in the Print event, the height of the > vertical line can't be changed at that point. And the height of the detail > section or text box in the Format event hasn't been changed yet from design > view. > > Is there a workaround for this? > > MTIA > > Rocky Smolin > Beach Access Software > 858-259-4334 > www.bchacc.com > www.e-z-mrp.com > Skype: rocky.smolin > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Sun Oct 28 11:26:29 2012 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2012 09:26:29 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Vertical line on report In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1AB20D09B79A4EB8B27D6C12ECBCB936@HAL9007> Yep. That worked! Thank you. Rocky -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Doug Steele Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2012 8:45 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Vertical line on report Hi Rocky: I put the line drawing code in the Print event of the detail section. Drawing a vertical line with a length of Me.Height works there. Doug On Sun, Oct 28, 2012 at 7:55 AM, Rocky Smolin wrote: > Dear List: > > I have a report with several text boxes in the detail section. Each > of the text boxes is 'Can Grow' so the height of several of the text > boxes and of course, the detail section varies. > > Now the client wants a vertical line between two of the text boxes so > that it makes a solid line vertically down the report. > > I've done this before on detail sections that don't grow making the > vertical line exactly the height of the detail section- no problem - > looks like a solid line. > > But of course with the height varying (some text boxes go to two lines > on some records, some to three) the line is always too short. > > I tried playing around with the .Height property and while I can find > out the height of a Can Grow text box in the Print event, the height > of the vertical line can't be changed at that point. And the height > of the detail section or text box in the Format event hasn't been > changed yet from design view. > > Is there a workaround for this? > > MTIA > > Rocky Smolin > Beach Access Software > 858-259-4334 > www.bchacc.com www.e-z-mrp.com > > Skype: rocky.smolin > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From tinanfields at torchlake.com Mon Oct 29 12:19:50 2012 From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields) Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2012 13:19:50 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Main form requery help needed Message-ID: <508EBAB6.3080802@torchlake.com> Hi, I have a main form for households, with a subform showing the people in the given household. When I want to add a person to the household, I click a button to open the person information form in add mode. When I close the person information form, I want the main form to requery and update the subform. If I close the main form and reopen it, the subform is updated, but I would prefer it to update without the main form having to be closed and reopened. I thought that I could make use of the main form's "On Current" event sort of like this: Private Sub Form_Current() Forms![frmHousehold]!sfrmPeople_in_HH.Form.Requery End Sub This does not work. So, I am doing something wrong and I don't see what it is. Asking for other eyes to look at it. Main form is named frmHousehold. The subform control is named sfrmPeople_in_HH. What am I doing wrong? Tina -- Tina Norris Fields tinanfields at torchlake.com 231-322-2787 From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Mon Oct 29 12:29:44 2012 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2012 10:29:44 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Main form requery help needed In-Reply-To: <508EBAB6.3080802@torchlake.com> References: <508EBAB6.3080802@torchlake.com> Message-ID: <6C9D3B67E9AC4CDEA33E36D341422E15@HAL9007> In the after update event of the person information form try your requery statement Forms![frmHousehold]!sfrmPeople_in_HH.Form.Requery. Or maybe in the gotFocus event of the main form? I'm guessing the main form's current event is not firing. You could put a msgbox "Hello 'dere" in the main form's current event and see if it is firing. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina Norris Fields Sent: Monday, October 29, 2012 10:20 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: [AccessD] Main form requery help needed Hi, I have a main form for households, with a subform showing the people in the given household. When I want to add a person to the household, I click a button to open the person information form in add mode. When I close the person information form, I want the main form to requery and update the subform. If I close the main form and reopen it, the subform is updated, but I would prefer it to update without the main form having to be closed and reopened. I thought that I could make use of the main form's "On Current" event sort of like this: Private Sub Form_Current() Forms![frmHousehold]!sfrmPeople_in_HH.Form.Requery End Sub This does not work. So, I am doing something wrong and I don't see what it is. Asking for other eyes to look at it. Main form is named frmHousehold. The subform control is named sfrmPeople_in_HH. What am I doing wrong? Tina -- Tina Norris Fields tinanfields at torchlake.com 231-322-2787 -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From davidmcafee at gmail.com Mon Oct 29 13:25:13 2012 From: davidmcafee at gmail.com (David McAfee) Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2012 11:25:13 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Main form requery help needed In-Reply-To: <508EBAB6.3080802@torchlake.com> References: <508EBAB6.3080802@torchlake.com> Message-ID: You can open the person information form in modal/acdialog model with the next line that requeries: Docmd openform "frmPersonInfo", , , , , acDialog me.requery or you can do the following in the OnClose event of frmPersonInfo: If IsLoaded(frmHousehold) then forms!frmHousehold.sfrmPeople_in_HH.Requery I have Isloaded in a module: Function IsLoaded(ByVal strFormName As String) As Boolean ' Returns True if the specified form is open in Form view or Datasheet view. Const conObjStateClosed = 0 Const conDesignView = 0 If SysCmd(acSysCmdGetObjectState, acForm, strFormName) <> conObjStateClosed Then If Forms(strFormName).CurrentView <> conDesignView Then IsLoaded = True End If End If End Function HTH David McAfee On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 10:19 AM, Tina Norris Fields < tinanfields at torchlake.com> wrote: > Hi, > > I have a main form for households, with a subform showing the people in > the given household. When I want to add a person to the household, I click > a button to open the person information form in add mode. When I close the > person information form, I want the main form to requery and update the > subform. If I close the main form and reopen it, the subform is updated, > but I would prefer it to update without the main form having to be closed > and reopened. > > I thought that I could make use of the main form's "On Current" event sort > of like this: > > Private Sub Form_Current() > Forms![frmHousehold]!**sfrmPeople_in_HH.Form.Requery > End Sub > > This does not work. So, I am doing something wrong and I don't see what > it is. Asking for other eyes to look at it. > > Main form is named frmHousehold. The subform control is named > sfrmPeople_in_HH. > > What am I doing wrong? > > Tina > > -- > Tina Norris Fields > tinanfields at torchlake.com > 231-322-2787 > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.**com > From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Mon Oct 29 21:09:53 2012 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2012 22:09:53 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Google: Android device activations surpass 500M worldwide - FierceMobileContent Message-ID: <508F36F1.8070400@colbyconsulting.com> -- John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it http://www.fiercemobilecontent.com/story/google-android-device-activations-surpass-500m-worldwide/2012-09-12 From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Tue Oct 30 07:45:21 2012 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2012 08:45:21 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] The iPad is soooo cool (uhhh ok.) Message-ID: <508FCBE1.8010501@colbyconsulting.com> From: http://www.techradar.com/us/news/phone-and-communications/mobile-phones/apple-samsung-smartphone-profits-add-up-to-106-percent-1108455 >Apple's sales may only be hampered by the fact that its 7.9-inch iPad mini could be in short supply, as it has already sold out of its initial launch stock. Customers who pre-order the WiFi model of an iPad mini online Monday face a two-week shipping wait time. Uhhh yep, they are soooo cool that Apple can't build enough for all the iFolks standing in those long iLines. My biggest concern is all of the poor iFolks standing in iLines in the northeast as the hurricane sweeps overhead. You know they won't evacuate and lose their iPlace in iLine. There are already reports of entire iLines of iDiots being washed out to sea. The upside is that the US average IQ is inching upwards. ;) BTW, before I even pressed send I was served with an iCease and iDesist for using the iCopyrighted phrase iFolks, iPlace and iLine. For some reason iDiot wasn't included in the iCease and iDesist. iStrange! ;) OK, iBack to iWork. -- John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it From jackandpat.d at gmail.com Tue Oct 30 08:34:19 2012 From: jackandpat.d at gmail.com (jack drawbridge) Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2012 09:34:19 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] The iPad is soooo cool (uhhh ok.) In-Reply-To: <508FCBE1.8010501@colbyconsulting.com> References: <508FCBE1.8010501@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: iLike it John, but when do you get time... you always seem up to your iBalls in real work. jack On Tue, Oct 30, 2012 at 8:45 AM, jwcolby wrote: > From: > > http://www.techradar.com/us/**news/phone-and-communications/** > mobile-phones/apple-samsung-**smartphone-profits-add-up-to-** > 106-percent-1108455 > > >Apple's sales may only be hampered by the fact that its 7.9-inch iPad > mini could be in short supply, as it has already sold out of its initial > launch stock. Customers who pre-order the WiFi model of an iPad mini > online Monday face a two-week shipping wait time. > > Uhhh yep, they are soooo cool that Apple can't build enough for all the > iFolks standing in those long iLines. > > My biggest concern is all of the poor iFolks standing in iLines in the > northeast as the hurricane sweeps overhead. You know they won't evacuate > and lose their iPlace in iLine. There are already reports of entire iLines > of iDiots being washed out to sea. > > The upside is that the US average IQ is inching upwards. > > ;) > > BTW, before I even pressed send I was served with an iCease and iDesist > for using the iCopyrighted phrase iFolks, iPlace and iLine. For some > reason iDiot wasn't included in the iCease and iDesist. iStrange! > > ;) > > OK, iBack to iWork. > > -- > John W. Colby > Colby Consulting > > Reality is what refuses to go away > when you do not believe in it > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.**com > From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Tue Oct 30 09:04:10 2012 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2012 10:04:10 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] [SPAM] Re: The iPad is soooo cool (uhhh ok.) In-Reply-To: References: <508FCBE1.8010501@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <508FDE5A.70004@colbyconsulting.com> If I didn't have time for iHumor I would go iCrazy. I am currently working on a system to build a data dictionary table and populate it for a given database. Then I need to select which columns (fields) to count the data items in - a groupby / count query on all selected fields. The databases I use tend to have a ton of columns (277 fields in the one I am working on now), each column tends to have a 1/0, T/F or a limited range of codes 1-9 and a-z. Unfortunately other columns have names, zips, address fields etc so I can't do a groupby on those fields or I will get tens of millions of counts - not the intention. So I build a data dictionary table which reads out the standard stuff - [SchemaName] ,[TableName] ,[ColumnId] ,[ColumnName] ,[DataType] ,[CharacterMaximumLength] ,[ColumnDescription] ,[ColumnDefault] ,[IsNullable] plus a couple of extra fields of my own [PerformCount] and (denormalized) [CountInfo]. I then populate that table, unselect the fields with things like names / addresses, then run a groupby/count on the remaining fields, updating the [CountInfo] with the resulting data. Push it out to a spreadsheet and send to the customer. Keeps me busy. John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it On 10/30/2012 9:34 AM, jack drawbridge wrote: > iLike it John, but when do you get time... you always seem up to your > iBalls in real work. > jack > > On Tue, Oct 30, 2012 at 8:45 AM, jwcolby wrote: > >> From: >> >> http://www.techradar.com/us/**news/phone-and-communications/** >> mobile-phones/apple-samsung-**smartphone-profits-add-up-to-** >> 106-percent-1108455 >> >>> Apple's sales may only be hampered by the fact that its 7.9-inch iPad >> mini could be in short supply, as it has already sold out of its initial >> launch stock. Customers who pre-order the WiFi model of an iPad mini >> online Monday face a two-week shipping wait time. >> >> Uhhh yep, they are soooo cool that Apple can't build enough for all the >> iFolks standing in those long iLines. >> >> My biggest concern is all of the poor iFolks standing in iLines in the >> northeast as the hurricane sweeps overhead. You know they won't evacuate >> and lose their iPlace in iLine. There are already reports of entire iLines >> of iDiots being washed out to sea. >> >> The upside is that the US average IQ is inching upwards. >> >> ;) >> >> BTW, before I even pressed send I was served with an iCease and iDesist >> for using the iCopyrighted phrase iFolks, iPlace and iLine. For some >> reason iDiot wasn't included in the iCease and iDesist. iStrange! >> >> ;) >> >> OK, iBack to iWork. >> >> -- >> John W. Colby >> Colby Consulting >> >> Reality is what refuses to go away >> when you do not believe in it >> >> -- >> AccessD mailing list >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/accessd >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.**com >> From charlotte.foust at gmail.com Tue Oct 30 11:56:57 2012 From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust) Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2012 09:56:57 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] [SPAM] Re: The iPad is soooo cool (uhhh ok.) In-Reply-To: <508FDE5A.70004@colbyconsulting.com> References: <508FCBE1.8010501@colbyconsulting.com> <508FDE5A.70004@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: Are you using dimension tables at all, John? I'd think a hybrid snowflake schema might help with that kind of grouping. Charlotte On Tue, Oct 30, 2012 at 7:04 AM, jwcolby wrote: > If I didn't have time for iHumor I would go iCrazy. > > I am currently working on a system to build a data dictionary table and > populate it for a given database. Then I need to select which columns > (fields) to count the data items in - a groupby / count query on all > selected fields. > > The databases I use tend to have a ton of columns (277 fields in the one I > am working on now), each column tends to have a 1/0, T/F or a limited range > of codes 1-9 and a-z. Unfortunately other columns have names, zips, > address fields etc so I can't do a groupby on those fields or I will get > tens of millions of counts - not the intention. > > So I build a data dictionary table which reads out the standard stuff - > > [SchemaName] > ,[TableName] > ,[ColumnId] > ,[ColumnName] > ,[DataType] > ,[CharacterMaximumLength] > ,[ColumnDescription] > ,[ColumnDefault] > ,[IsNullable] > > plus a couple of extra fields of my own [PerformCount] and (denormalized) > [CountInfo]. > > I then populate that table, unselect the fields with things like names / > addresses, then run a groupby/count on the remaining fields, updating the > [CountInfo] with the resulting data. Push it out to a spreadsheet and send > to the customer. > > Keeps me busy. > > > John W. Colby > Colby Consulting > > Reality is what refuses to go away > when you do not believe in it > > On 10/30/2012 9:34 AM, jack drawbridge wrote: > >> iLike it John, but when do you get time... you always seem up to your >> iBalls in real work. >> jack >> >> On Tue, Oct 30, 2012 at 8:45 AM, jwcolby ** >> wrote: >> >> From: >>> >>> http://www.techradar.com/us/****news/phone-and-communications/**** >>> mobile-phones/apple-samsung-****smartphone-profits-add-up-to-**** >>> 106-percent-1108455>> phone-and-communications/**mobile-phones/apple-samsung-** >>> smartphone-profits-add-up-to-**106-percent-1108455 >>> > >>> >>> Apple's sales may only be hampered by the fact that its 7.9-inch iPad >>>> >>> mini could be in short supply, as it has already sold out of its initial >>> launch stock. Customers who pre-order the WiFi model of an iPad mini >>> online Monday face a two-week shipping wait time. >>> >>> Uhhh yep, they are soooo cool that Apple can't build enough for all the >>> iFolks standing in those long iLines. >>> >>> My biggest concern is all of the poor iFolks standing in iLines in the >>> northeast as the hurricane sweeps overhead. You know they won't evacuate >>> and lose their iPlace in iLine. There are already reports of entire >>> iLines >>> of iDiots being washed out to sea. >>> >>> The upside is that the US average IQ is inching upwards. >>> >>> ;) >>> >>> BTW, before I even pressed send I was served with an iCease and iDesist >>> for using the iCopyrighted phrase iFolks, iPlace and iLine. For some >>> reason iDiot wasn't included in the iCease and iDesist. iStrange! >>> >>> ;) >>> >>> OK, iBack to iWork. >>> >>> -- >>> John W. Colby >>> Colby Consulting >>> >>> Reality is what refuses to go away >>> when you do not believe in it >>> >>> -- >>> AccessD mailing list >>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >>> http://databaseadvisors.com/****mailman/listinfo/accessd >>> >>> > >>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.****com>> databaseadvisors.com > >>> >>> > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.**com > From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Tue Oct 30 12:55:44 2012 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2012 13:55:44 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] [SPAM] Re: [SPAM] Re: The iPad is soooo cool (uhhh ok.) In-Reply-To: References: <508FCBE1.8010501@colbyconsulting.com> <508FDE5A.70004@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <509014A0.8070102@colbyconsulting.com> In these databases there are only ever two tables, a "name/address" table and a "fact" table. The two are related 1-1 with a PKID originating in the fact table and propagated into the Name/Address table. The Name/Address table originates in the fact table and I split it out as the first step in processing the database. The name/address component is sent out for Address validation / cleaning and then imported back into its own separate table. I do that simply because it allows me to standardize the address validation using my own field names as well as using additional fields returned by the address validation software. Basically the fact table has information like "Marital status", "Length of residence", "Teen Driver", "collectible antiques" etc etc. 270 fields of etc etc. Every field is not filled in for every record, but some fields are filled in for all records. There are 225 million fact records and only a small portion of them are filled in for any given field. In fact the point of this exercise is to discover how many records are filled in for each field. We may get 5% for some fields and 90% (or even 100%) for others. John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it On 10/30/2012 12:56 PM, Charlotte Foust wrote: > Are you using dimension tables at all, John? I'd think a hybrid snowflake > schema might help with that kind of grouping. > > Charlotte > > On Tue, Oct 30, 2012 at 7:04 AM, jwcolby wrote: > >> If I didn't have time for iHumor I would go iCrazy. >> >> I am currently working on a system to build a data dictionary table and >> populate it for a given database. Then I need to select which columns >> (fields) to count the data items in - a groupby / count query on all >> selected fields. >> >> The databases I use tend to have a ton of columns (277 fields in the one I >> am working on now), each column tends to have a 1/0, T/F or a limited range >> of codes 1-9 and a-z. Unfortunately other columns have names, zips, >> address fields etc so I can't do a groupby on those fields or I will get >> tens of millions of counts - not the intention. >> >> So I build a data dictionary table which reads out the standard stuff - >> >> [SchemaName] >> ,[TableName] >> ,[ColumnId] >> ,[ColumnName] >> ,[DataType] >> ,[CharacterMaximumLength] >> ,[ColumnDescription] >> ,[ColumnDefault] >> ,[IsNullable] >> >> plus a couple of extra fields of my own [PerformCount] and (denormalized) >> [CountInfo]. >> >> I then populate that table, unselect the fields with things like names / >> addresses, then run a groupby/count on the remaining fields, updating the >> [CountInfo] with the resulting data. Push it out to a spreadsheet and send >> to the customer. >> >> Keeps me busy. >> >> >> John W. Colby >> Colby Consulting >> >> Reality is what refuses to go away >> when you do not believe in it >> >> On 10/30/2012 9:34 AM, jack drawbridge wrote: >> >>> iLike it John, but when do you get time... you always seem up to your >>> iBalls in real work. >>> jack >>> >>> On Tue, Oct 30, 2012 at 8:45 AM, jwcolby ** >>> wrote: >>> >>> From: >>>> >>>> http://www.techradar.com/us/****news/phone-and-communications/**** >>>> mobile-phones/apple-samsung-****smartphone-profits-add-up-to-**** >>>> 106-percent-1108455>>> phone-and-communications/**mobile-phones/apple-samsung-** >>>> smartphone-profits-add-up-to-**106-percent-1108455 >>>>> >>>> >>>> Apple's sales may only be hampered by the fact that its 7.9-inch iPad >>>>> >>>> mini could be in short supply, as it has already sold out of its initial >>>> launch stock. Customers who pre-order the WiFi model of an iPad mini >>>> online Monday face a two-week shipping wait time. >>>> >>>> Uhhh yep, they are soooo cool that Apple can't build enough for all the >>>> iFolks standing in those long iLines. >>>> >>>> My biggest concern is all of the poor iFolks standing in iLines in the >>>> northeast as the hurricane sweeps overhead. You know they won't evacuate >>>> and lose their iPlace in iLine. There are already reports of entire >>>> iLines >>>> of iDiots being washed out to sea. >>>> >>>> The upside is that the US average IQ is inching upwards. >>>> >>>> ;) >>>> >>>> BTW, before I even pressed send I was served with an iCease and iDesist >>>> for using the iCopyrighted phrase iFolks, iPlace and iLine. For some >>>> reason iDiot wasn't included in the iCease and iDesist. iStrange! >>>> >>>> ;) >>>> >>>> OK, iBack to iWork. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> John W. Colby >>>> Colby Consulting >>>> >>>> Reality is what refuses to go away >>>> when you do not believe in it >>>> >>>> -- >>>> AccessD mailing list >>>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/****mailman/listinfo/accessd >>>> >>>>> >>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.****com>>> databaseadvisors.com > >>>> >>>> >> -- >> AccessD mailing list >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/accessd >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.**com >> From df.waters at comcast.net Tue Oct 30 13:44:14 2012 From: df.waters at comcast.net (Dan Waters) Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2012 13:44:14 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] [SPAM] Re: The iPad is soooo cool (uhhh ok.) In-Reply-To: References: <508FCBE1.8010501@colbyconsulting.com> <508FDE5A.70004@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <003d01cdb6ce$8f3e10a0$adba31e0$@comcast.net> The door is now wide open ..... ! ;-) Dan -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2012 11:57 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] [SPAM] Re: The iPad is soooo cool (uhhh ok.) Are you using dimension tables at all, John? I'd think a hybrid snowflake schema might help with that kind of grouping. Charlotte On Tue, Oct 30, 2012 at 7:04 AM, jwcolby wrote: > If I didn't have time for iHumor I would go iCrazy. > > I am currently working on a system to build a data dictionary table > and populate it for a given database. Then I need to select which > columns > (fields) to count the data items in - a groupby / count query on all > selected fields. > > The databases I use tend to have a ton of columns (277 fields in the > one I am working on now), each column tends to have a 1/0, T/F or a > limited range of codes 1-9 and a-z. Unfortunately other columns have > names, zips, address fields etc so I can't do a groupby on those > fields or I will get tens of millions of counts - not the intention. > > So I build a data dictionary table which reads out the standard stuff > - > > [SchemaName] > ,[TableName] > ,[ColumnId] > ,[ColumnName] > ,[DataType] > ,[CharacterMaximumLength] > ,[ColumnDescription] > ,[ColumnDefault] > ,[IsNullable] > > plus a couple of extra fields of my own [PerformCount] and > (denormalized) [CountInfo]. > > I then populate that table, unselect the fields with things like names > / addresses, then run a groupby/count on the remaining fields, > updating the [CountInfo] with the resulting data. Push it out to a > spreadsheet and send to the customer. > > Keeps me busy. > > > John W. Colby > Colby Consulting > > Reality is what refuses to go away > when you do not believe in it > > On 10/30/2012 9:34 AM, jack drawbridge wrote: > >> iLike it John, but when do you get time... you always seem up to your >> iBalls in real work. >> jack >> >> On Tue, Oct 30, 2012 at 8:45 AM, jwcolby >> ** >> wrote: >> >> From: >>> >>> http://www.techradar.com/us/****news/phone-and-communications/****>> ttp://www.techradar.com/us/**news/phone-and-communications/**> >>> mobile-phones/apple-samsung-****smartphone-profits-add-up-to-**** >>> 106-percent-1108455>> phone-and-communications/**mobile-phones/apple-samsung-** >>> smartphone-profits-add-up-to-**106-percent-1108455>> dar.com/us/news/phone-and-communications/mobile-phones/apple-samsung >>> -smartphone-profits-add-up-to-106-percent-1108455> >>> > >>> >>> Apple's sales may only be hampered by the fact that its 7.9-inch >>> iPad >>>> >>> mini could be in short supply, as it has already sold out of its >>> initial launch stock. Customers who pre-order the WiFi model of an >>> iPad mini online Monday face a two-week shipping wait time. >>> >>> Uhhh yep, they are soooo cool that Apple can't build enough for all >>> the iFolks standing in those long iLines. >>> >>> My biggest concern is all of the poor iFolks standing in iLines in >>> the northeast as the hurricane sweeps overhead. You know they won't >>> evacuate and lose their iPlace in iLine. There are already reports >>> of entire iLines of iDiots being washed out to sea. >>> >>> The upside is that the US average IQ is inching upwards. >>> >>> ;) >>> >>> BTW, before I even pressed send I was served with an iCease and >>> iDesist for using the iCopyrighted phrase iFolks, iPlace and iLine. >>> For some reason iDiot wasn't included in the iCease and iDesist. iStrange! >>> >>> ;) >>> >>> OK, iBack to iWork. >>> >>> -- >>> John W. Colby >>> Colby Consulting >>> >>> Reality is what refuses to go away >>> when you do not believe in it >>> >>> -- >>> AccessD mailing list >>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >>> http://databaseadvisors.com/****mailman/listinfo/accessd>> baseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/accessd> >>> >> abaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd> >>> > >>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.****com>> databaseadvisors.com > >>> >>> > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/accessd advisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd> > Website: > http://www.databaseadvisors.**com > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From charlotte.foust at gmail.com Tue Oct 30 13:57:32 2012 From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust) Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2012 11:57:32 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] [SPAM] Re: [SPAM] Re: The iPad is soooo cool (uhhh ok.) In-Reply-To: <509014A0.8070102@colbyconsulting.com> References: <508FCBE1.8010501@colbyconsulting.com> <508FDE5A.70004@colbyconsulting.com> <509014A0.8070102@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: So you could create dimension tables for at least the most commonly used of those fields that would allow you to roll up the data quickly.. Charlotte On Tue, Oct 30, 2012 at 10:55 AM, jwcolby wrote: > In these databases there are only ever two tables, a "name/address" table > and a "fact" table. The two are related 1-1 with a PKID originating in the > fact table and propagated into the Name/Address table. > > The Name/Address table originates in the fact table and I split it out as > the first step in processing the database. The name/address component is > sent out for Address validation / cleaning and then imported back into its > own separate table. I do that simply because it allows me to standardize > the address validation using my own field names as well as using additional > fields returned by the address validation software. > > Basically the fact table has information like "Marital status", "Length of > residence", "Teen Driver", "collectible antiques" etc etc. 270 fields of > etc etc. > > Every field is not filled in for every record, but some fields are filled > in for all records. There are 225 million fact records and only a small > portion of them are filled in for any given field. > > In fact the point of this exercise is to discover how many records are > filled in for each field. We may get 5% for some fields and 90% (or even > 100%) for others. > > > John W. Colby > Colby Consulting > > Reality is what refuses to go away > when you do not believe in it > > On 10/30/2012 12:56 PM, Charlotte Foust wrote: > >> Are you using dimension tables at all, John? I'd think a hybrid snowflake >> schema might help with that kind of grouping. >> >> Charlotte >> >> On Tue, Oct 30, 2012 at 7:04 AM, jwcolby ** >> wrote: >> >> If I didn't have time for iHumor I would go iCrazy. >>> >>> I am currently working on a system to build a data dictionary table and >>> populate it for a given database. Then I need to select which columns >>> (fields) to count the data items in - a groupby / count query on all >>> selected fields. >>> >>> The databases I use tend to have a ton of columns (277 fields in the one >>> I >>> am working on now), each column tends to have a 1/0, T/F or a limited >>> range >>> of codes 1-9 and a-z. Unfortunately other columns have names, zips, >>> address fields etc so I can't do a groupby on those fields or I will get >>> tens of millions of counts - not the intention. >>> >>> So I build a data dictionary table which reads out the standard stuff - >>> >>> [SchemaName] >>> ,[TableName] >>> ,[ColumnId] >>> ,[ColumnName] >>> ,[DataType] >>> ,[CharacterMaximumLength] >>> ,[ColumnDescription] >>> ,[ColumnDefault] >>> ,[IsNullable] >>> >>> plus a couple of extra fields of my own [PerformCount] and (denormalized) >>> [CountInfo]. >>> >>> I then populate that table, unselect the fields with things like names / >>> addresses, then run a groupby/count on the remaining fields, updating the >>> [CountInfo] with the resulting data. Push it out to a spreadsheet and >>> send >>> to the customer. >>> >>> Keeps me busy. >>> >>> >>> John W. Colby >>> Colby Consulting >>> >>> Reality is what refuses to go away >>> when you do not believe in it >>> >>> On 10/30/2012 9:34 AM, jack drawbridge wrote: >>> >>> iLike it John, but when do you get time... you always seem up to your >>>> iBalls in real work. >>>> jack >>>> >>>> On Tue, Oct 30, 2012 at 8:45 AM, jwcolby * >>>> *** >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> From: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> http://www.techradar.com/us/******news/phone-and-**communications/**** >>>>> >>>>> > >>>>> mobile-phones/apple-samsung-******smartphone-profits-add-up-**to-**** >>>>> 106-percent-1108455 >>>>> phone-and-communications/****mobile-phones/apple-samsung-** >>>>> smartphone-profits-add-up-to-****106-percent-1108455>>>> www.techradar.com/us/news/**phone-and-communications/** >>>>> mobile-phones/apple-samsung-**smartphone-profits-add-up-to-** >>>>> 106-percent-1108455 >>>>> > >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> Apple's sales may only be hampered by the fact that its 7.9-inch iPad >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> mini could be in short supply, as it has already sold out of its >>>>> initial >>>>> launch stock. Customers who pre-order the WiFi model of an iPad mini >>>>> online Monday face a two-week shipping wait time. >>>>> >>>>> Uhhh yep, they are soooo cool that Apple can't build enough for all the >>>>> iFolks standing in those long iLines. >>>>> >>>>> My biggest concern is all of the poor iFolks standing in iLines in the >>>>> northeast as the hurricane sweeps overhead. You know they won't >>>>> evacuate >>>>> and lose their iPlace in iLine. There are already reports of entire >>>>> iLines >>>>> of iDiots being washed out to sea. >>>>> >>>>> The upside is that the US average IQ is inching upwards. >>>>> >>>>> ;) >>>>> >>>>> BTW, before I even pressed send I was served with an iCease and iDesist >>>>> for using the iCopyrighted phrase iFolks, iPlace and iLine. For some >>>>> reason iDiot wasn't included in the iCease and iDesist. iStrange! >>>>> >>>>> ;) >>>>> >>>>> OK, iBack to iWork. >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> John W. Colby >>>>> Colby Consulting >>>>> >>>>> Reality is what refuses to go away >>>>> when you do not believe in it >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> AccessD mailing list >>>>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >>>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/******mailman/listinfo/accessd >>>>> >>>>> > >>>>> >>>>> ** >>>>> > >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.******com>>>> databaseadvisors.com >>>>> >> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>> AccessD mailing list >>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >>> http://databaseadvisors.com/****mailman/listinfo/accessd >>> >>> > >>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.****com>> databaseadvisors.com > >>> >>> > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.**com > From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au Tue Oct 30 17:25:47 2012 From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins) Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2012 22:25:47 +0000 Subject: [AccessD] The iPad is soooo cool (uhhh ok.) In-Reply-To: References: <508FCBE1.8010501@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B534332F9C@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com> "iBalls"... hehehehehe... Absolutely outstanding. Cheers Darryl -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jack drawbridge Sent: Wednesday, 31 October 2012 12:34 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] The iPad is soooo cool (uhhh ok.) iLike it John, but when do you get time... you always seem up to your iBalls in real work. jack On Tue, Oct 30, 2012 at 8:45 AM, jwcolby wrote: > From: > > http://www.techradar.com/us/**news/phone-and-communications/** > mobile-phones/apple-samsung-**smartphone-profits-add-up-to-** > 106-percent-1108455 cations/mobile-phones/apple-samsung-smartphone-profits-add-up-to-106-p > ercent-1108455> > > >Apple's sales may only be hampered by the fact that its 7.9-inch iPad > mini could be in short supply, as it has already sold out of its > initial launch stock. Customers who pre-order the WiFi model of an > iPad mini online Monday face a two-week shipping wait time. > > Uhhh yep, they are soooo cool that Apple can't build enough for all > the iFolks standing in those long iLines. > > My biggest concern is all of the poor iFolks standing in iLines in the > northeast as the hurricane sweeps overhead. You know they won't > evacuate and lose their iPlace in iLine. There are already reports of > entire iLines of iDiots being washed out to sea. > > The upside is that the US average IQ is inching upwards. > > ;) > > BTW, before I even pressed send I was served with an iCease and > iDesist for using the iCopyrighted phrase iFolks, iPlace and iLine. > For some reason iDiot wasn't included in the iCease and iDesist. iStrange! > > ;) > > OK, iBack to iWork. > > -- > John W. Colby > Colby Consulting > > Reality is what refuses to go away > when you do not believe in it > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/accessd advisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd> > Website: > http://www.databaseadvisors.**com > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Tue Oct 30 22:38:23 2012 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2012 23:38:23 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] [SPAM] Re: [SPAM] Re: [SPAM] Re: The iPad is soooo cool (uhhh ok.) In-Reply-To: References: <508FCBE1.8010501@colbyconsulting.com> <508FDE5A.70004@colbyconsulting.com> <509014A0.8070102@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <50909D2F.4040800@colbyconsulting.com> Yea, except there is no apparent "most used" fields. I don't even understand what you are trying to teach me. Imagine that I have a table with people in it. John Colby has taken a survey which identifies his income and age, number of kids, address. Mostly that info is known about every person. Further John has taken a survey about the car he drives, an entirely different survey about the magazines he reads and another survey about the various stuff he does with electronics. Those surveys make up perhaps 20 out of hundreds of fields in this table. John hasn't taken any of the surveys which were amalgamated to supply all of the other fields. Mary has taken a survey which provides address, income, age, number of kids. She has taken a survey about the medicines she takes, the mortgage she holds, the drinks she prefers. Those surveys make up perhaps 20 fields of the hundreds in the table. Notice that Mary hasn't taken any surveys about cars, magazines or electronics. James takes a survey which tells whether he owns a dog and / or a cat. 225 million people have somehow managed to get inserted into this table or 250 fields with some small percentage of fields in common and mostly filled out and a small handful of the other fields filled out. The data never changes. It was compiled 3 years ago, purchased by my client last year and will never be updated. My client buys another database (a single table) which contains *only* the names / addresses of women who have dogs or cats. That is all that is in the database. A field that says "OwnsDog" and another which says "owns cat". "Y" or nothing in the field. The table contains 11 million names, was compiled 7 years ago, was purchased 4 years ago and will never be updated. My client buys another database which contains *only* females. Names / addresses, plus age, and a set of fields Children_0_3 Children_4_6 Children_7_10 Children_11_13 Children_14-17 In these fields are codes 0=none 1=male 2=Female 3=both The database contains 22 million names, was compiled 5 years ago, purchased 3 years ago and will never be updated. My client buys a database of names and addresses of boat owners compiled by the coast guard. It is a single table, names / addresses. It has the boat length, propulsion type, value, state registered. It was compiled 8 years ago, purchased 5 years ago and will never be updated. The people in these tables are not common. i.e. it is not the same people in each table, it is just a random set of people who happen to own a dog, have kids, own a boat or... I started with the infamous "database from hell" back in 2004 and have over the intervening years accumulated nine such databases. Each is a single table the only thing in common is that they all contain name / address components plus some kind of information about the set of people contained. The people are not common, the names / addresses are not common, the information about the people are not common (across the various tables). That said, I do take the First name, Last name, Address, Zip5 and Zip4 and hash them to create a numeric value (hash value) which uniquely identifies that person at that address. I do this for every table. Now a simple inner join on the hash tells me if I have the same first name / last name / address / zip in two different tables. Thus I discover (for example) that I have 10,494,488 women in DogsAndCats (surviving address validation) 18,949,333 women in Kids (surviving address validation) and 2,087,493 women in common between those two tables, i.e. women with kids with dogs/cats/both. I also know that I have 265,896 in Merchant Vessels (the boats database) 4057 of which are also in my DogsAndCats. 1112 of which are in my Kids database. Understand that while the facts part never changes, the address part does. People move. People move and don't provide a Change of Address to the post office. When that happens we "lose them" from the database since we no longer have an address portion to hash. Furthermore when people move and *do* enter a COA, I now have them in their new and old addresses. So if I get a person / address, they might not hash into a current address at a database but they may hash into an old address from that database. I am attempting to generate a list of every valid address encountered in any of my databases. All told I have 435 million names / addresses in 9 databases. I could then pull a hash for every current and past name / address In any event, I don't get how this is anything like sales by month for Safeway or something of that nature. It seems to be a different beastie entirely from the normal database. John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it On 10/30/2012 2:57 PM, Charlotte Foust wrote: > So you could create dimension tables for at least the most commonly used of > those fields that would allow you to roll up the data quickly.. > > Charlotte > > On Tue, Oct 30, 2012 at 10:55 AM, jwcolby wrote: > >> In these databases there are only ever two tables, a "name/address" table >> and a "fact" table. The two are related 1-1 with a PKID originating in the >> fact table and propagated into the Name/Address table. >> >> The Name/Address table originates in the fact table and I split it out as >> the first step in processing the database. The name/address component is >> sent out for Address validation / cleaning and then imported back into its >> own separate table. I do that simply because it allows me to standardize >> the address validation using my own field names as well as using additional >> fields returned by the address validation software. >> >> Basically the fact table has information like "Marital status", "Length of >> residence", "Teen Driver", "collectible antiques" etc etc. 270 fields of >> etc etc. >> >> Every field is not filled in for every record, but some fields are filled >> in for all records. There are 225 million fact records and only a small >> portion of them are filled in for any given field. >> >> In fact the point of this exercise is to discover how many records are >> filled in for each field. We may get 5% for some fields and 90% (or even >> 100%) for others. >> >> >> John W. Colby >> Colby Consulting >> >> Reality is what refuses to go away >> when you do not believe in it >> >> On 10/30/2012 12:56 PM, Charlotte Foust wrote: >> >>> Are you using dimension tables at all, John? I'd think a hybrid snowflake >>> schema might help with that kind of grouping. >>> >>> Charlotte >>> >>> On Tue, Oct 30, 2012 at 7:04 AM, jwcolby ** >>> wrote: >>> >>> If I didn't have time for iHumor I would go iCrazy. >>>> >>>> I am currently working on a system to build a data dictionary table and >>>> populate it for a given database. Then I need to select which columns >>>> (fields) to count the data items in - a groupby / count query on all >>>> selected fields. >>>> >>>> The databases I use tend to have a ton of columns (277 fields in the one >>>> I >>>> am working on now), each column tends to have a 1/0, T/F or a limited >>>> range >>>> of codes 1-9 and a-z. Unfortunately other columns have names, zips, >>>> address fields etc so I can't do a groupby on those fields or I will get >>>> tens of millions of counts - not the intention. >>>> >>>> So I build a data dictionary table which reads out the standard stuff - >>>> >>>> [SchemaName] >>>> ,[TableName] >>>> ,[ColumnId] >>>> ,[ColumnName] >>>> ,[DataType] >>>> ,[CharacterMaximumLength] >>>> ,[ColumnDescription] >>>> ,[ColumnDefault] >>>> ,[IsNullable] >>>> >>>> plus a couple of extra fields of my own [PerformCount] and (denormalized) >>>> [CountInfo]. >>>> >>>> I then populate that table, unselect the fields with things like names / >>>> addresses, then run a groupby/count on the remaining fields, updating the >>>> [CountInfo] with the resulting data. Push it out to a spreadsheet and >>>> send >>>> to the customer. >>>> >>>> Keeps me busy. >>>> >>>> >>>> John W. Colby >>>> Colby Consulting >>>> >>>> Reality is what refuses to go away >>>> when you do not believe in it >>>> >>>> On 10/30/2012 9:34 AM, jack drawbridge wrote: >>>> >>>> iLike it John, but when do you get time... you always seem up to your >>>>> iBalls in real work. >>>>> jack >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Oct 30, 2012 at 8:45 AM, jwcolby * >>>>> *** >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> From: >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> http://www.techradar.com/us/******news/phone-and-**communications/**** >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> mobile-phones/apple-samsung-******smartphone-profits-add-up-**to-**** >>>>>> 106-percent-1108455 >>>>>> phone-and-communications/****mobile-phones/apple-samsung-** >>>>>> smartphone-profits-add-up-to-****106-percent-1108455>>>>> www.techradar.com/us/news/**phone-and-communications/** >>>>>> mobile-phones/apple-samsung-**smartphone-profits-add-up-to-** >>>>>> 106-percent-1108455 >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> Apple's sales may only be hampered by the fact that its 7.9-inch iPad >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> mini could be in short supply, as it has already sold out of its >>>>>> initial >>>>>> launch stock. Customers who pre-order the WiFi model of an iPad mini >>>>>> online Monday face a two-week shipping wait time. >>>>>> >>>>>> Uhhh yep, they are soooo cool that Apple can't build enough for all the >>>>>> iFolks standing in those long iLines. >>>>>> >>>>>> My biggest concern is all of the poor iFolks standing in iLines in the >>>>>> northeast as the hurricane sweeps overhead. You know they won't >>>>>> evacuate >>>>>> and lose their iPlace in iLine. There are already reports of entire >>>>>> iLines >>>>>> of iDiots being washed out to sea. >>>>>> >>>>>> The upside is that the US average IQ is inching upwards. >>>>>> >>>>>> ;) >>>>>> >>>>>> BTW, before I even pressed send I was served with an iCease and iDesist >>>>>> for using the iCopyrighted phrase iFolks, iPlace and iLine. For some >>>>>> reason iDiot wasn't included in the iCease and iDesist. iStrange! >>>>>> >>>>>> ;) >>>>>> >>>>>> OK, iBack to iWork. >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> John W. Colby >>>>>> Colby Consulting >>>>>> >>>>>> Reality is what refuses to go away >>>>>> when you do not believe in it >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> AccessD mailing list >>>>>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >>>>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/******mailman/listinfo/accessd >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ** >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.******com>>>>> databaseadvisors.com >>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>> AccessD mailing list >>>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/****mailman/listinfo/accessd >>>> >>>>> >>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.****com>>> databaseadvisors.com > >>>> >>>> >> -- >> AccessD mailing list >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/accessd >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.**com >> From drawbridgej at sympatico.ca Wed Oct 31 08:59:18 2012 From: drawbridgej at sympatico.ca (Jack and Pat) Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2012 09:59:18 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] The iPad is soooo cool (uhhh ok.) In-Reply-To: References: <508FCBE1.8010501@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: John, I sent this late last night (via gmail reply button) and it got bounced for being too large. I'm sending it as a stand alone message in another email system. Hope it makes it to you. ******------------ Original response -------------------********** I agree it doesn't sound like the typical database. But as you said, there are a number of facts about people and their preferences, habits, toys, etc. With the volumes you have and the diversity, and the common key that can be used to relate these various facts, you can respond to questions, suggestions or the "who does X and Y and is between 20 and 35". Seems a bit of a dream to a direct marketer trying to sell anything from auto insurance to new homes or furniture or travel. Seems more cost effective than designing, running and using new survey results every time a new "who does X and W and ..." comes up. It sounds, and probably is, a bunch of surveys of people for various reasons. And someone has seen that the various reasons and the various surveys can be related to get a "pretty good approximation" of some new feature - not in the initial survey objective. Not sure how you describe it other than Subject, DateCreated, Total Records, Origin of the Data, Type of Questions/Responses (choose a value vs supply a value), then a list of fields/properties/attribute or whatever the "things" and some indication of the number of responses per field "thingy". Some detail about the individual fields and the response types would be very useful to anyone wanting to use the data/facts in different environments. Just some ramblings that I'm sure you've considered. Good luck. From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Wed Oct 31 11:23:46 2012 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2012 12:23:46 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] The iPad is soooo cool (uhhh ok.) In-Reply-To: References: <508FCBE1.8010501@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <50915092.4040205@colbyconsulting.com> Companies aggregate data all of the time, creating data records and then appending more and more fields as more / different "survey" information becomes available. My client buys these databases and I perform the storage and manipulation of them. John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it On 10/31/2012 9:59 AM, Jack and Pat wrote: > John, > I sent this late last night (via gmail reply button) and it got bounced for > being too large. I'm sending it as a stand alone message in another email > system. Hope it makes it to you. > > ******------------ Original response -------------------********** > I agree it doesn't sound like the typical database. But as you said, there > are a number of facts about people and their preferences, habits, toys, etc. > With the volumes you have and the diversity, and the common key that can be > used to relate these various facts, you can respond to questions, > suggestions or the "who does X and Y and is between 20 and 35". Seems a bit > of a dream to a direct marketer trying to sell anything from auto insurance > to new homes or furniture or travel. Seems more cost effective than > designing, running and using new survey results every time a new "who does X > and W and ..." comes up. > > It sounds, and probably is, a bunch of surveys of people for various > reasons. And someone has seen that the various reasons and the various > surveys can be related to get a "pretty good approximation" of some new > feature - not in the initial survey objective. > > Not sure how you describe it other than Subject, DateCreated, Total Records, > Origin of the Data, Type of Questions/Responses (choose a value vs supply a > value), then a list of fields/properties/attribute or whatever the "things" > and some indication of the number of responses per field "thingy". Some > detail about the individual fields and the response types would be very > useful to anyone wanting to use the data/facts in different environments. > > Just some ramblings that I'm sure you've considered. > Good luck. > From Benson at ge.com Wed Oct 31 14:19:48 2012 From: Benson at ge.com (Benson, William (GE Global Research, consultant)) Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2012 19:19:48 +0000 Subject: [AccessD] The iPad is soooo cool (uhhh ok.) In-Reply-To: <508FCBE1.8010501@colbyconsulting.com> References: <508FCBE1.8010501@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <93D10F008B998B4A83BCA855A33EEF372C885A3A@CINMBCNA01.e2k.ad.ge.com> >>> The upside is that the US average IQ is inching upwards. iQ ? -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2012 8:45 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: [AccessD] The iPad is soooo cool (uhhh ok.) From: http://www.techradar.com/us/news/phone-and-communications/mobile-phones/apple-samsung-smartphone-profits-add-up-to-106-percent-1108455 >Apple's sales may only be hampered by the fact that its 7.9-inch iPad mini could be in short supply, as it has already sold out of its initial launch stock. Customers who pre-order the WiFi model of an iPad mini online Monday face a two-week shipping wait time. Uhhh yep, they are soooo cool that Apple can't build enough for all the iFolks standing in those long iLines. My biggest concern is all of the poor iFolks standing in iLines in the northeast as the hurricane sweeps overhead. You know they won't evacuate and lose their iPlace in iLine. There are already reports of entire iLines of iDiots being washed out to sea. The upside is that the US average IQ is inching upwards. ;) BTW, before I even pressed send I was served with an iCease and iDesist for using the iCopyrighted phrase iFolks, iPlace and iLine. For some reason iDiot wasn't included in the iCease and iDesist. iStrange! ;) OK, iBack to iWork. -- John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Wed Oct 31 14:30:14 2012 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2012 15:30:14 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] The iPad is soooo cool (uhhh ok.) In-Reply-To: <93D10F008B998B4A83BCA855A33EEF372C885A3A@CINMBCNA01.e2k.ad.ge.com> References: <508FCBE1.8010501@colbyconsulting.com> <93D10F008B998B4A83BCA855A33EEF372C885A3A@CINMBCNA01.e2k.ad.ge.com> Message-ID: <50917C46.9010308@colbyconsulting.com> ;) John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it On 10/31/2012 3:19 PM, Benson, William (GE Global Research, consultant) wrote: >>>> The upside is that the US average IQ is inching upwards. > > iQ ? > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby > Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2012 8:45 AM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: [AccessD] The iPad is soooo cool (uhhh ok.) > > From: > > http://www.techradar.com/us/news/phone-and-communications/mobile-phones/apple-samsung-smartphone-profits-add-up-to-106-percent-1108455 > > >Apple's sales may only be hampered by the fact that its 7.9-inch iPad mini could be in short supply, as it has already sold out of its initial launch stock. Customers who pre-order the WiFi model of an iPad mini online Monday face a two-week shipping wait time. > > Uhhh yep, they are soooo cool that Apple can't build enough for all the iFolks standing in those long iLines. > > My biggest concern is all of the poor iFolks standing in iLines in the northeast as the hurricane sweeps overhead. You know they won't evacuate and lose their iPlace in iLine. There are already reports of entire iLines of iDiots being washed out to sea. > > > The upside is that the US average IQ is inching upwards. > > ;) > > BTW, before I even pressed send I was served with an iCease and iDesist for using the iCopyrighted phrase iFolks, iPlace and iLine. For some reason iDiot wasn't included in the iCease and iDesist. > iStrange! > > ;) > > OK, iBack to iWork. > > -- > John W. Colby > Colby Consulting > > Reality is what refuses to go away > when you do not believe in it > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From ssharkins at gmail.com Wed Oct 31 18:08:58 2012 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2012 19:08:58 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Regarding multi-value field, from a reader Message-ID: <5F069B6242214653A40D9DC1BA410F9D@SusanHarkins> Received the following from a reader: "I set up a multivalued field in Access 2010 using a List Box and providing a Value List with values M,T,W,R,F. Everything works fine but for one problem. When I chose M, W, F from my list, th emultivalued filed reads F, M, W ... i.e., the entries are sorted left to right whereas I want them to show up as M, W, F. Is there a way to do this?" =====Other than learning the basics so I could write about them, I don't use them and have almost no experience. Anyone have a quick and easy answer? I'm going to do a little research, but if anybody knows, please share! Thanks! Susan H. From steve at datamanagementsolutions.biz Wed Oct 31 18:35:11 2012 From: steve at datamanagementsolutions.biz (Steve Schapel) Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2012 12:35:11 +1300 Subject: [AccessD] Regarding multi-value field, from a reader In-Reply-To: <5F069B6242214653A40D9DC1BA410F9D@SusanHarkins> References: <5F069B6242214653A40D9DC1BA410F9D@SusanHarkins> Message-ID: <0FCF13F90366460CB9ADB2839A91FBCA@stevelaptop> Susan I don't believe it is possible with MVFs. If your reader wants it to control the order of display, I'm pretty sure they will have to use another approach. Regards Steve -----Original Message----- From: Susan Harkins Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2012 12:08 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: [AccessD] Regarding multi-value field, from a reader Received the following from a reader: "I set up a multivalued field in Access 2010 using a List Box and providing a Value List with values M,T,W,R,F. Everything works fine but for one problem. When I chose M, W, F from my list, th emultivalued filed reads F, M, W ... i.e., the entries are sorted left to right whereas I want them to show up as M, W, F. Is there a way to do this?" =====Other than learning the basics so I could write about them, I don't use them and have almost no experience. Anyone have a quick and easy answer? I'm going to do a little research, but if anybody knows, please share! Thanks! Susan H. -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From charlotte.foust at gmail.com Wed Oct 31 21:03:06 2012 From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust) Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2012 19:03:06 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Regarding multi-value field, from a reader In-Reply-To: <5F069B6242214653A40D9DC1BA410F9D@SusanHarkins> References: <5F069B6242214653A40D9DC1BA410F9D@SusanHarkins> Message-ID: Maybe a little remedial instruction on normalization for the reader? I've always avoided multi-valued fields like plague, but I wonder if you could fake it by using a hidden column 0 in the listbox with a numeric sort order and a visible column with the desired values? Charlotte On Wed, Oct 31, 2012 at 4:08 PM, Susan Harkins wrote: > Received the following from a reader: > > "I set up a multivalued field in Access 2010 using a List Box and > providing a Value List with values M,T,W,R,F. Everything works fine but for > one problem. When I chose M, W, F from my list, th emultivalued filed reads > F, M, W ... i.e., the entries are sorted left to right whereas I want them > to show up as M, W, F. Is there a way to do this?" > > =====Other than learning the basics so I could write about them, I don't > use them and have almost no experience. Anyone have a quick and easy > answer? I'm going to do a little research, but if anybody knows, please > share! > > Thanks! > Susan H. > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.**com > From dw-murphy at cox.net Wed Oct 31 21:08:55 2012 From: dw-murphy at cox.net (Doug Murphy) Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2012 19:08:55 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Regarding multi-value field, from a reader In-Reply-To: <5F069B6242214653A40D9DC1BA410F9D@SusanHarkins> References: <5F069B6242214653A40D9DC1BA410F9D@SusanHarkins> Message-ID: <005f01cdb7d5$d90912e0$8b1b38a0$@cox.net> My approach is to stay away from the "special fields". If you ever want to upsize to SQL Server they don't work. Not answering the question but something to think about. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2012 4:09 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: [AccessD] Regarding multi-value field, from a reader Received the following from a reader: "I set up a multivalued field in Access 2010 using a List Box and providing a Value List with values M,T,W,R,F. Everything works fine but for one problem. When I chose M, W, F from my list, th emultivalued filed reads F, M, W ... i.e., the entries are sorted left to right whereas I want them to show up as M, W, F. Is there a way to do this?" =====Other than learning the basics so I could write about them, I don't use them and have almost no experience. Anyone have a quick and easy answer? I'm going to do a little research, but if anybody knows, please share! Thanks! Susan H. -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From steve at datamanagementsolutions.biz Wed Oct 31 22:50:00 2012 From: steve at datamanagementsolutions.biz (Steve Schapel) Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2012 16:50:00 +1300 Subject: [AccessD] Regarding multi-value field, from a reader In-Reply-To: References: <5F069B6242214653A40D9DC1BA410F9D@SusanHarkins> Message-ID: Hi Charlotte No, MVFs only allow one column. Regards Steve -----Original Message----- From: Charlotte Foust Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2012 3:03 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Regarding multi-value field, from a reader Maybe a little remedial instruction on normalization for the reader? I've always avoided multi-valued fields like plague, but I wonder if you could fake it by using a hidden column 0 in the listbox with a numeric sort order and a visible column with the desired values? Charlotte On Wed, Oct 31, 2012 at 4:08 PM, Susan Harkins wrote: > Received the following from a reader: > > "I set up a multivalued field in Access 2010 using a List Box and > providing a Value List with values M,T,W,R,F. Everything works fine but > for > one problem. When I chose M, W, F from my list, th emultivalued filed > reads > F, M, W ... i.e., the entries are sorted left to right whereas I want them > to show up as M, W, F. Is there a way to do this?" > > =====Other than learning the basics so I could write about them, I don't > use them and have almost no experience. Anyone have a quick and easy > answer? I'm going to do a little research, but if anybody knows, please > share! > > Thanks! > Susan H. > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: > http://www.databaseadvisors.**com > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From ssharkins at gmail.com Wed Oct 31 22:52:34 2012 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2012 23:52:34 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Regarding multi-value field, from a reader References: <5F069B6242214653A40D9DC1BA410F9D@SusanHarkins> Message-ID: <157E2CEB5654449C90D60A2356C04D03@SusanHarkins> Charlotte, that's a fantastic idea! I don't use them either, but they're there for the users. Susan H. > Maybe a little remedial instruction on normalization for the reader? I've > always avoided multi-valued fields like plague, but I wonder if you could > fake it by using a hidden column 0 in the listbox with a numeric sort > order > and a visible column with the desired values? > From charlotte.foust at gmail.com Wed Oct 31 22:55:50 2012 From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust) Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2012 20:55:50 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Regarding multi-value field, from a reader In-Reply-To: References: <5F069B6242214653A40D9DC1BA410F9D@SusanHarkins> Message-ID: Another reason to avoid them! Charlotte On Wed, Oct 31, 2012 at 8:50 PM, Steve Schapel < steve at datamanagementsolutions.biz> wrote: > Hi Charlotte > > No, MVFs only allow one column. > > Regards > Steve > > -----Original Message----- From: Charlotte Foust > Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2012 3:03 PM > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Regarding multi-value field, from a reader > > > Maybe a little remedial instruction on normalization for the reader? I've > always avoided multi-valued fields like plague, but I wonder if you could > fake it by using a hidden column 0 in the listbox with a numeric sort order > and a visible column with the desired values? > > Charlotte > > On Wed, Oct 31, 2012 at 4:08 PM, Susan Harkins > wrote: > > Received the following from a reader: >> >> "I set up a multivalued field in Access 2010 using a List Box and >> providing a Value List with values M,T,W,R,F. Everything works fine but >> for >> one problem. When I chose M, W, F from my list, th emultivalued filed >> reads >> F, M, W ... i.e., the entries are sorted left to right whereas I want them >> to show up as M, W, F. Is there a way to do this?" >> >> =====Other than learning the basics so I could write about them, I don't >> use them and have almost no experience. Anyone have a quick and easy >> answer? I'm going to do a little research, but if anybody knows, please >> share! >> >> Thanks! >> Susan H. >> -- >> AccessD mailing list >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/****mailman/listinfo/accessd >> >> > >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.****com> databaseadvisors.com > >> >> -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.**com > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.**com > From charlotte.foust at gmail.com Wed Oct 31 22:58:17 2012 From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust) Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2012 20:58:17 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Regarding multi-value field, from a reader In-Reply-To: <157E2CEB5654449C90D60A2356C04D03@SusanHarkins> References: <5F069B6242214653A40D9DC1BA410F9D@SusanHarkins> <157E2CEB5654449C90D60A2356C04D03@SusanHarkins> Message-ID: Trouble is, the users get into trouble with all those little bits that added just for them! Charlotte On Wed, Oct 31, 2012 at 8:52 PM, Susan Harkins wrote: > Charlotte, that's a fantastic idea! I don't use them either, but they're > there for the users. > > Susan H. > > > > Maybe a little remedial instruction on normalization for the reader? I've >> always avoided multi-valued fields like plague, but I wonder if you could >> fake it by using a hidden column 0 in the listbox with a numeric sort >> order >> and a visible column with the desired values? >> >> > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.**com > From ssharkins at gmail.com Wed Oct 31 23:03:35 2012 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2012 00:03:35 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Regarding multi-value field, from a reader References: <5F069B6242214653A40D9DC1BA410F9D@SusanHarkins><157E2CEB5654449C90D60A2356C04D03@SusanHarkins> Message-ID: Well, only if they want to use them in specialized ways, like this guy. It's hard to explain to them that they can't take shortcuts and then make special requests! Susan H. > Trouble is, the users get into trouble with all those little bits that > added just for them! > > Charlotte > > On Wed, Oct 31, 2012 at 8:52 PM, Susan Harkins > wrote: > >> Charlotte, that's a fantastic idea! I don't use them either, but they're >> there for the users. >> >> Susan H. >> >> >> >> Maybe a little remedial instruction on normalization for the reader? >> I've >>> always avoided multi-valued fields like plague, but I wonder if you >>> could >>> fake it by using a hidden column 0 in the listbox with a numeric sort >>> order >>> and a visible column with the desired values? >>> >>> >> -- >> AccessD mailing list >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/accessd >> Website: >> http://www.databaseadvisors.**com >> > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au Wed Oct 31 23:04:35 2012 From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins) Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2012 04:04:35 +0000 Subject: [AccessD] Regarding multi-value field, from a reader In-Reply-To: References: <5F069B6242214653A40D9DC1BA410F9D@SusanHarkins> <157E2CEB5654449C90D60A2356C04D03@SusanHarkins> Message-ID: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B534333B79@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com> Yeah, those sort of features remind me of junk food. The worse it is for you, the more folks seem to like to over indulge. In Excel for example the 'feature' of merged cells is used (and promoted) widely as being a wonderful thing, but can cause you enormous grief and pain if used without due care and consideration. Of course, no one tells the users that. They just merge away like buggery. I can think of many other examples as well... So much so that I like to use the term (ab)user rather than user with referring to some of my more troublesome employees of my clients. Hehe. Cheers Darryl -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust Sent: Thursday, 1 November 2012 2:58 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Regarding multi-value field, from a reader Trouble is, the users get into trouble with all those little bits that added just for them! Charlotte On Wed, Oct 31, 2012 at 8:52 PM, Susan Harkins wrote: > Charlotte, that's a fantastic idea! I don't use them either, but > they're there for the users. > > Susan H. > > > > Maybe a little remedial instruction on normalization for the reader? > I've >> always avoided multi-valued fields like plague, but I wonder if you >> could fake it by using a hidden column 0 in the listbox with a >> numeric sort order and a visible column with the desired values? >> >> > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/accessd advisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd> > Website: > http://www.databaseadvisors.**com > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From vbacreations at gmail.com Wed Oct 31 23:38:52 2012 From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson (VBACreations.Com)) Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2012 00:38:52 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Regarding multi-value field, from a reader In-Reply-To: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B534333B79@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com> References: <5F069B6242214653A40D9DC1BA410F9D@SusanHarkins> <157E2CEB5654449C90D60A2356C04D03@SusanHarkins> <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B534333B79@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com> Message-ID: <003901cdb7ea$cce36fa0$66aa4ee0$@gmail.com> Why not change the values? 1 (Mo),2 (Tu),3 (Wd),4 (Th),5 (Fr) I mean, is something limiting them to a single character? -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darryl Collins Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2012 12:05 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Regarding multi-value field, from a reader Yeah, those sort of features remind me of junk food. The worse it is for you, the more folks seem to like to over indulge. In Excel for example the 'feature' of merged cells is used (and promoted) widely as being a wonderful thing, but can cause you enormous grief and pain if used without due care and consideration. Of course, no one tells the users that. They just merge away like buggery. I can think of many other examples as well... So much so that I like to use the term (ab)user rather than user with referring to some of my more troublesome employees of my clients. Hehe. Cheers Darryl -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust Sent: Thursday, 1 November 2012 2:58 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Regarding multi-value field, from a reader Trouble is, the users get into trouble with all those little bits that added just for them! Charlotte On Wed, Oct 31, 2012 at 8:52 PM, Susan Harkins wrote: > Charlotte, that's a fantastic idea! I don't use them either, but > they're there for the users. > > Susan H. > > > > Maybe a little remedial instruction on normalization for the reader? > I've >> always avoided multi-valued fields like plague, but I wonder if you >> could fake it by using a hidden column 0 in the listbox with a >> numeric sort order and a visible column with the desired values? >> >> > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/accessd advisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd> > Website: > http://www.databaseadvisors.**com > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com