From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Sat Sep 1 23:57:13 2012 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Sun, 02 Sep 2012 00:57:13 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Using the CLR with SQL Server Message-ID: <5042E729.3000604@colbyconsulting.com> Just a poll to see if anyone on the list is using the CLR in SQL Server. I do a lot of C# work now and mostly to automate SQL Server. I have not been using the CLR in SQL Server but I am ready to figure it out. Anyone? -- John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it From michael at mattysconsulting.com Sun Sep 2 10:50:43 2012 From: michael at mattysconsulting.com (Michael Mattys) Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2012 11:50:43 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Using the CLR with SQL Server In-Reply-To: <5042E729.3000604@colbyconsulting.com> References: <5042E729.3000604@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <008a01cd8922$b6e8dce0$24ba96a0$@mattysconsulting.com> Hi John, We've used the CLR for serializing, visualizing, and altering shapes from MapPoint using the geography capabilities in SQLS 2008. What are you going to be using it for? Michael R Mattys Mattys Consulting, LLC www.mattysconsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2012 12:57 AM To: Sqlserver-Dba; Access Developers discussion and problem solving; VBA Subject: [AccessD] Using the CLR with SQL Server Just a poll to see if anyone on the list is using the CLR in SQL Server. I do a lot of C# work now and mostly to automate SQL Server. I have not been using the CLR in SQL Server but I am ready to figure it out. Anyone? -- John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Sun Sep 2 13:30:57 2012 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Sun, 02 Sep 2012 14:30:57 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Using the CLR with SQL Server In-Reply-To: <008a01cd8922$b6e8dce0$24ba96a0$@mattysconsulting.com> References: <5042E729.3000604@colbyconsulting.com> <008a01cd8922$b6e8dce0$24ba96a0$@mattysconsulting.com> Message-ID: <5043A5E1.8020008@colbyconsulting.com> Michael, I do a ton of SQL Server automation where I BCP files in and out, run dynamic SQL to update records, control processes etc. However I have run into one case where I need to split a CSV string in one field of a record, and then based on the values in the string, update another field with a value. IOW the string has 0 to N "error codes", where N is practically speaking about 8 maximum codes. Depending on the error codes I need to create a "simpler" code to tell me how to use the record. I need to do this to chunks of up to 2 million records, and tables of hundreds of millions of records. String handling directly in TSQL doesn't appear to be particularly speedy so I was looking at building a function in C# to do this stuff, returning the "simpler code" as a function return value which is then assigned to the field being updated, directly in TSQL. IOW UPDATE [MyDB].[dbo].[MyTbl] SET [AddrValid] = MyCSFunction(FieldAVal, FieldBVal) WHERE (Whatever selection may be needed) Currently I do this in a UDF, i.e. MyCSVFunction() is actually MyUDF() called from my dynamic TSQL, but the UDF does not do very thorough error code analysis, and was designed back when I was doing a total of a couple of hundred million records a month. I am now pushing a billion records a month and climbing, so I am trying to rethink my existing solution. Essentially each record update, even though done in SQL, is evaluating a UDF in the process and I want to replace that UDF (if possible) with a faster and more powerful C# solution. I have a table of these error codes which I just created, and there are 60 of them. Some are fatal, some inconvenient, some irrelevant. Ideally I would do an exhaustive analysis of each and every code in the CSV string against the table to determine the "most severe error" if you will and how that impacts the use of the record. As it is I kinda punt and look for specific codes and ignore everything else... not a good solution, but I am just not able to program an efficient TSQL solution to this problem. I am not sure that I can program an efficient CLR solution either for that manner but I stand a much better chance I think. However I have never tried to use the CLR so there is the learning curve as well. I would like to something like: 1) Load the error table one time into a table in C#. 2) Have the function parse the CSV string into a table each call and then join to the Error table (in memory). 3) Order by severity desc 4) Return Max(Severity) Or something similar. Or... 1) Load the error table into a dictionary one time 2) Have the function parse the CSV string and look up each error in the dictionary 3) Return the severity of the most severe error code found 4) Short circuit (quit analysis) if more than a certain severity found Or something similar. I could of course do the whole thing in a UDF but I have never discovered how to do debugging in TSQL equivalent to the C# / visual studio environment. This CSV error string just has me hamstrung in terms of correctly processing the errors, at least efficiently enough to handle millions of records in a reasonable time frame. John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it On 9/2/2012 11:50 AM, Michael Mattys wrote: > Hi John, > > We've used the CLR for serializing, visualizing, and altering shapes from > MapPoint > using the geography capabilities in SQLS 2008. > What are you going to be using it for? > > Michael R Mattys > Mattys Consulting, LLC > www.mattysconsulting.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby > Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2012 12:57 AM > To: Sqlserver-Dba; Access Developers discussion and problem solving; VBA > Subject: [AccessD] Using the CLR with SQL Server > > Just a poll to see if anyone on the list is using the CLR in SQL Server. I > do a lot of C# work now and mostly to automate SQL Server. I have not been > using the CLR in SQL Server but I am ready to figure it out. > > Anyone? > > -- > John W. Colby > Colby Consulting > > Reality is what refuses to go away > when you do not believe in it > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From charlotte.foust at gmail.com Sun Sep 2 22:25:12 2012 From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust) Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2012 20:25:12 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Marie Message-ID: I called Marie and asked if she was free for an early dinner tomorrow. I'm going to pick her up and we'll go down to one of the ethnic restaurants on Broadway. the Himalyan. I'll keep you posted. Charlotte From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au Sun Sep 2 22:37:02 2012 From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins) Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2012 03:37:02 +0000 Subject: [AccessD] Marie In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B52501248B@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com> Heh... Thanks Charlotte, but I suspect that is not a message for the entire list population. Either way, Enjoy Dinner :) Cheers Darryl. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust Sent: Monday, 3 September 2012 1:25 PM To: Tenzin Yeshe; Access Developers discussion and problem Subject: [AccessD] Marie I called Marie and asked if she was free for an early dinner tomorrow. I'm going to pick her up and we'll go down to one of the ethnic restaurants on Broadway. the Himalyan. I'll keep you posted. Charlotte -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From michael at mattysconsulting.com Sun Sep 2 22:42:37 2012 From: michael at mattysconsulting.com (Michael Mattys) Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2012 23:42:37 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Using the CLR with SQL Server In-Reply-To: <5043A5E1.8020008@colbyconsulting.com> References: <5042E729.3000604@colbyconsulting.com> <008a01cd8922$b6e8dce0$24ba96a0$@mattysconsulting.com> <5043A5E1.8020008@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <009501cd8986$2b6896b0$8239c410$@mattysconsulting.com> John, One of Stuarts McLachlan's PB dll's could be fastest. The mention of quit analysis brings Linq to mind, though. A billion per month? I'll have to get my brother's take on that. Your methods sound very close to address resolution and geocoding. I can almost visualize your records falling into one of four quadrants on a map. Michael R Mattys Mattys Consulting, LLC www.mattysconsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2012 2:31 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Using the CLR with SQL Server Michael, I do a ton of SQL Server automation where I BCP files in and out, run dynamic SQL to update records, control processes etc. However I have run into one case where I need to split a CSV string in one field of a record, and then based on the values in the string, update another field with a value. IOW the string has 0 to N "error codes", where N is practically speaking about 8 maximum codes. Depending on the error codes I need to create a "simpler" code to tell me how to use the record. I need to do this to chunks of up to 2 million records, and tables of hundreds of millions of records. String handling directly in TSQL doesn't appear to be particularly speedy so I was looking at building a function in C# to do this stuff, returning the "simpler code" as a function return value which is then assigned to the field being updated, directly in TSQL. IOW UPDATE [MyDB].[dbo].[MyTbl] SET [AddrValid] = MyCSFunction(FieldAVal, FieldBVal) WHERE (Whatever selection may be needed) Currently I do this in a UDF, i.e. MyCSVFunction() is actually MyUDF() called from my dynamic TSQL, but the UDF does not do very thorough error code analysis, and was designed back when I was doing a total of a couple of hundred million records a month. I am now pushing a billion records a month and climbing, so I am trying to rethink my existing solution. Essentially each record update, even though done in SQL, is evaluating a UDF in the process and I want to replace that UDF (if possible) with a faster and more powerful C# solution. I have a table of these error codes which I just created, and there are 60 of them. Some are fatal, some inconvenient, some irrelevant. Ideally I would do an exhaustive analysis of each and every code in the CSV string against the table to determine the "most severe error" if you will and how that impacts the use of the record. As it is I kinda punt and look for specific codes and ignore everything else... not a good solution, but I am just not able to program an efficient TSQL solution to this problem. I am not sure that I can program an efficient CLR solution either for that manner but I stand a much better chance I think. However I have never tried to use the CLR so there is the learning curve as well. I would like to something like: 1) Load the error table one time into a table in C#. 2) Have the function parse the CSV string into a table each call and then join to the Error table (in memory). 3) Order by severity desc 4) Return Max(Severity) Or something similar. Or... 1) Load the error table into a dictionary one time 2) Have the function parse the CSV string and look up each error in the dictionary 3) Return the severity of the most severe error code found 4) Short circuit (quit analysis) if more than a certain severity found Or something similar. I could of course do the whole thing in a UDF but I have never discovered how to do debugging in TSQL equivalent to the C# / visual studio environment. This CSV error string just has me hamstrung in terms of correctly processing the errors, at least efficiently enough to handle millions of records in a reasonable time frame. John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it On 9/2/2012 11:50 AM, Michael Mattys wrote: > Hi John, > > We've used the CLR for serializing, visualizing, and altering shapes > from MapPoint using the geography capabilities in SQLS 2008. > What are you going to be using it for? > > Michael R Mattys > Mattys Consulting, LLC > www.mattysconsulting.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby > Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2012 12:57 AM > To: Sqlserver-Dba; Access Developers discussion and problem solving; > VBA > Subject: [AccessD] Using the CLR with SQL Server > > Just a poll to see if anyone on the list is using the CLR in SQL > Server. I do a lot of C# work now and mostly to automate SQL Server. > I have not been using the CLR in SQL Server but I am ready to figure it out. > > Anyone? > > -- > John W. Colby > Colby Consulting > > Reality is what refuses to go away > when you do not believe in it > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From darren at activebilling.com.au Sun Sep 2 22:50:11 2012 From: darren at activebilling.com.au (Darren) Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2012 13:50:11 +1000 Subject: [AccessD] Marie In-Reply-To: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B52501248B@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com> References: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B52501248B@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com> Message-ID: <088301cd8987$392be260$ab83a720$@activebilling.com.au> I've never had Himalayan food before - should be nice. I'm looking forward to it. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darryl Collins Sent: Monday, 3 September 2012 1:37 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Marie Heh... Thanks Charlotte, but I suspect that is not a message for the entire list population. Either way, Enjoy Dinner :) Cheers Darryl. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust Sent: Monday, 3 September 2012 1:25 PM To: Tenzin Yeshe; Access Developers discussion and problem Subject: [AccessD] Marie I called Marie and asked if she was free for an early dinner tomorrow. I'm going to pick her up and we'll go down to one of the ethnic restaurants on Broadway. the Himalyan. I'll keep you posted. Charlotte -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Mon Sep 3 00:04:27 2012 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Mon, 03 Sep 2012 15:04:27 +1000 Subject: [AccessD] Marie In-Reply-To: <088301cd8987$392be260$ab83a720$@activebilling.com.au> References: , <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B52501248B@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>, <088301cd8987$392be260$ab83a720$@activebilling.com.au> Message-ID: <50443A5B.29544.3626E2EB@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Tibetan or Nepalese? Either way, take it easy on the rancid yak butter :-) -- Stuart On 3 Sep 2012 at 13:50, Darren wrote: > I've never had Himalayan food before - should be nice. I'm looking forward > to it. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darryl Collins > Sent: Monday, 3 September 2012 1:37 PM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Marie > > Heh... Thanks Charlotte, but I suspect that is not a message for the entire > list population. Either way, Enjoy Dinner :) > > Cheers > Darryl. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust > Sent: Monday, 3 September 2012 1:25 PM > To: Tenzin Yeshe; Access Developers discussion and problem > Subject: [AccessD] Marie > > I called Marie and asked if she was free for an early dinner tomorrow. I'm > going to pick her up and we'll go down to one of the ethnic restaurants on > Broadway. the Himalyan. I'll keep you posted. > > Charlotte > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Mon Sep 3 09:11:58 2012 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Mon, 03 Sep 2012 10:11:58 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Marie In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5044BAAE.3030907@colbyconsulting.com> I wanna go! John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it On 9/2/2012 11:25 PM, Charlotte Foust wrote: > I called Marie and asked if she was free for an early dinner tomorrow. I'm > going to pick her up and we'll go down to one of the ethnic restaurants on > Broadway. the Himalyan. I'll keep you posted. > > Charlotte > From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Mon Sep 3 08:51:55 2012 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Mon, 03 Sep 2012 09:51:55 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Who knew? Message-ID: <5044B5FB.1020902@colbyconsulting.com> I have been having a heck of a time browsing lately. Some sites slower than others but just the simplest things like a google search taking 10 seconds just to start to return results. I have done everything I could think of, turned off my protection software, reset the cable modem etc. I finally decided to try Google Chrome. Instant results back. It seems that the issue is Firefox. I did some unscientific timing and Yahoo takes about 3 seconds to even start loading in Firefox, under a second in Chrome. MSN.com several seconds in FireFox, around a second in Chrome. NBCNews.com MANY seconds in Firefox, a few seconds in Chrome. It seems that I am finally going to move on from Firefox. The speed of browsing has become a major irritant lately and I never even considered that it was the browser, but it seems to be the case. -- John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it From charlotte.foust at gmail.com Mon Sep 3 10:40:10 2012 From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust) Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2012 08:40:10 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Who knew? In-Reply-To: <5044B5FB.1020902@colbyconsulting.com> References: <5044B5FB.1020902@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: I tried firefox but ran into similar issues with page loading. I have chrome for a few things that IE doesn't handle, but mostly stick with IE. Charlotte On Mon, Sep 3, 2012 at 6:51 AM, jwcolby wrote: > I have been having a heck of a time browsing lately. Some sites slower > than others but just the simplest things like a google search taking 10 > seconds just to start to return results. I have done everything I could > think of, turned off my protection software, reset the cable modem etc. I > finally decided to try Google Chrome. > > Instant results back. > > It seems that the issue is Firefox. > > I did some unscientific timing and Yahoo takes about 3 seconds to even > start loading in Firefox, under a second in Chrome. > > MSN.com several seconds in FireFox, around a second in Chrome. > > NBCNews.com MANY seconds in Firefox, a few seconds in Chrome. > > It seems that I am finally going to move on from Firefox. The speed of > browsing has become a major irritant lately and I never even considered > that it was the browser, but it seems to be the case. > > -- > John W. Colby > Colby Consulting > > Reality is what refuses to go away > when you do not believe in it > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/accessd > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.**com > > > From charlotte.foust at gmail.com Mon Sep 3 10:43:15 2012 From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust) Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2012 08:43:15 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Marie In-Reply-To: <5044BAAE.3030907@colbyconsulting.com> References: <5044BAAE.3030907@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: I have no idea how that happened guys! Sorry. And the HImalayan doesn't do rancid yak butter, thank you very much! lol On Mon, Sep 3, 2012 at 7:11 AM, jwcolby wrote: > I wanna go! > > John W. Colby > Colby Consulting > > Reality is what refuses to go away > when you do not believe in it > > > On 9/2/2012 11:25 PM, Charlotte Foust wrote: > >> I called Marie and asked if she was free for an early dinner tomorrow. >> I'm >> going to pick her up and we'll go down to one of the ethnic restaurants on >> Broadway. the Himalyan. I'll keep you posted. >> >> Charlotte >> >> > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/accessd > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.**com > > > From marksimms at verizon.net Mon Sep 3 10:50:59 2012 From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms) Date: Mon, 03 Sep 2012 11:50:59 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Who knew? In-Reply-To: <5044B5FB.1020902@colbyconsulting.com> References: <5044B5FB.1020902@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <011101cd89eb$ea2c3ce0$be84b6a0$@net> Firefox continues to be volatile in terms of stability and performance. One release, it's great, the next release...awful. And...more telling: there's never a minor release upgrade, it's always like version 7 to 8, never 7.1 to 7.2 for instance. The one huge problem they've been having: plug-ins. The plug-in container on my machine takes up all of a core's processing capacity sometimes. Welcome to the world of "open software". From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Mon Sep 3 14:42:02 2012 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Mon, 03 Sep 2012 15:42:02 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Who knew? In-Reply-To: <011101cd89eb$ea2c3ce0$be84b6a0$@net> References: <5044B5FB.1020902@colbyconsulting.com> <011101cd89eb$ea2c3ce0$be84b6a0$@net> Message-ID: <5045080A.60304@colbyconsulting.com> Yea, I have used Firefox for ages, ever since I got on board the "Bad Microsoft world domination" train for their IE crap. Firefox has served me well for many years but it sure appears that it is time to move on. Browsing needs to be quick and agile, and my browsing experience has been feeling like a heard of elephants moving across the plains. John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it On 9/3/2012 11:50 AM, Mark Simms wrote: > Firefox continues to be volatile in terms of stability and performance. > One release, it's great, the next release...awful. > And...more telling: there's never a minor release upgrade, it's always like > version 7 to 8, never 7.1 to 7.2 for instance. > The one huge problem they've been having: plug-ins. The plug-in container on > my machine takes up all of a core's processing capacity sometimes. > > Welcome to the world of "open software". > > From fuller.artful at gmail.com Mon Sep 3 14:46:14 2012 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2012 15:46:14 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Who knew? In-Reply-To: <5045080A.60304@colbyconsulting.com> References: <5044B5FB.1020902@colbyconsulting.com> <011101cd89eb$ea2c3ce0$be84b6a0$@net> <5045080A.60304@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: As for me, I'm a huge fan of Chrome. A. On Mon, Sep 3, 2012 at 3:42 PM, jwcolby wrote: > Yea, I have used Firefox for ages, ever since I got on board the "Bad > Microsoft world domination" train for their IE crap. Firefox has served me > well for many years but it sure appears that it is time to move on. > Browsing needs to be quick and agile, and my browsing experience has been > feeling like a heard of elephants moving across the plains. > > From marklbreen at gmail.com Mon Sep 3 15:13:57 2012 From: marklbreen at gmail.com (Mark Breen) Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2012 21:13:57 +0100 Subject: [AccessD] Using the CLR with SQL Server In-Reply-To: <009501cd8986$2b6896b0$8239c410$@mattysconsulting.com> References: <5042E729.3000604@colbyconsulting.com> <008a01cd8922$b6e8dce0$24ba96a0$@mattysconsulting.com> <5043A5E1.8020008@colbyconsulting.com> <009501cd8986$2b6896b0$8239c410$@mattysconsulting.com> Message-ID: Hello Michael Your comment intrigues me { Your methods sound very close to address resolution and geocoding. I can almost visualize your records falling into one of four quadrants on a map. } Do you have any articles or short summary reading to explain that just a little more? Is this related to the 'Graph' database discussions we had a few weeks ago ? thanks Mark On 3 September 2012 04:42, Michael Mattys wrote: > John, > > One of Stuarts McLachlan's PB dll's could be fastest. > The mention of quit analysis brings Linq to mind, though. > A billion per month? I'll have to get my brother's take on that. > > Your methods sound very close to address resolution and geocoding. > I can almost visualize your records falling into one of four quadrants on a > map. > > Michael R Mattys > Mattys Consulting, LLC > www.mattysconsulting.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby > Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2012 2:31 PM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Using the CLR with SQL Server > > Michael, > > I do a ton of SQL Server automation where I BCP files in and out, run > dynamic SQL to update records, control processes etc. However I have run > into one case where I need to split a CSV string in one field of a record, > and then based on the values in the string, update another field with a > value. > IOW the string has 0 to N "error codes", where N is practically speaking > about 8 maximum codes. > Depending on the error codes I need to create a "simpler" code to tell me > how to use the record. I need to do this to chunks of up to 2 million > records, and tables of hundreds of millions of records. > String handling directly in TSQL doesn't appear to be particularly speedy > so I was looking at building a function in C# to do this stuff, returning > the "simpler code" as a function return value which is then assigned to the > field being updated, directly in TSQL. IOW > > UPDATE [MyDB].[dbo].[MyTbl] > SET [AddrValid] = MyCSFunction(FieldAVal, FieldBVal) > WHERE (Whatever selection may be needed) > > Currently I do this in a UDF, i.e. MyCSVFunction() is actually MyUDF() > called from my dynamic TSQL, but the UDF does not do very thorough error > code analysis, and was designed back when I was doing a total of a couple > of > hundred million records a month. I am now pushing a billion records a > month > and climbing, so I am trying to rethink my existing solution. Essentially > each record update, even though done in SQL, is evaluating a UDF in the > process and I want to replace that UDF (if possible) with a faster and more > powerful C# solution. > > I have a table of these error codes which I just created, and there are 60 > of them. Some are fatal, some inconvenient, some irrelevant. Ideally I > would do an exhaustive analysis of each and every code in the CSV string > against the table to determine the "most severe error" if you will and how > that impacts the use of the record. As it is I kinda punt and look for > specific codes and ignore everything else... not a good solution, but I am > just not able to program an efficient TSQL solution to this problem. > > > I am not sure that I can program an efficient CLR solution either for that > manner but I stand a much better chance I think. However I have never > tried > to use the CLR so there is the learning curve as well. > > I would like to something like: > > 1) Load the error table one time into a table in C#. > 2) Have the function parse the CSV string into a table each call and then > join to the Error table (in memory). > 3) Order by severity desc > 4) Return Max(Severity) > > Or something similar. > > Or... > > 1) Load the error table into a dictionary one time > 2) Have the function parse the CSV string and look up each error in the > dictionary > 3) Return the severity of the most severe error code found > 4) Short circuit (quit analysis) if more than a certain severity found > > Or something similar. > > I could of course do the whole thing in a UDF but I have never discovered > how to do debugging in TSQL equivalent to the C# / visual studio > environment. > > This CSV error string just has me hamstrung in terms of correctly > processing > the errors, at least efficiently enough to handle millions of records in a > reasonable time frame. > > John W. Colby > Colby Consulting > > Reality is what refuses to go away > when you do not believe in it > > On 9/2/2012 11:50 AM, Michael Mattys wrote: > > Hi John, > > > > We've used the CLR for serializing, visualizing, and altering shapes > > from MapPoint using the geography capabilities in SQLS 2008. > > What are you going to be using it for? > > > > Michael R Mattys > > Mattys Consulting, LLC > > www.mattysconsulting.com > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby > > Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2012 12:57 AM > > To: Sqlserver-Dba; Access Developers discussion and problem solving; > > VBA > > Subject: [AccessD] Using the CLR with SQL Server > > > > Just a poll to see if anyone on the list is using the CLR in SQL > > Server. I do a lot of C# work now and mostly to automate SQL Server. > > I have not been using the CLR in SQL Server but I am ready to figure it > out. > > > > Anyone? > > > > -- > > John W. Colby > > Colby Consulting > > > > Reality is what refuses to go away > > when you do not believe in it > > > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From michael at mattysconsulting.com Mon Sep 3 23:04:34 2012 From: michael at mattysconsulting.com (Michael Mattys) Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2012 00:04:34 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Using the CLR with SQL Server In-Reply-To: References: <5042E729.3000604@colbyconsulting.com> <008a01cd8922$b6e8dce0$24ba96a0$@mattysconsulting.com> <5043A5E1.8020008@colbyconsulting.com> <009501cd8986$2b6896b0$8239c410$@mattysconsulting.com> Message-ID: <00b101cd8a52$65bc19f0$31344dd0$@mattysconsulting.com> Hi Mark, No relation to a discussion about graphs. Take a flat projection of the earth (WGS84) to represent the four quadrants. In resolving addresses, our code can return many possible answers as to the location value of any given address string. If the first result does not have a good level of confidence (ie; the address doesn't exist in the database engine with which I am geocoding), then I can elect to have the code branch to another level of confidence for the postal code (census tract in some cases), city, county, state, or country. One can then visualize the same procedure for sifting through millions of records. I'm not sure how Hadoop and other Big Data players do it. Michael R Mattys Mattys Consulting, LLC www.mattysconsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Breen Sent: Monday, September 03, 2012 4:14 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Using the CLR with SQL Server Hello Michael Your comment intrigues me { Your methods sound very close to address resolution and geocoding. I can almost visualize your records falling into one of four quadrants on a map. } Do you have any articles or short summary reading to explain that just a little more? Is this related to the 'Graph' database discussions we had a few weeks ago ? thanks Mark On 3 September 2012 04:42, Michael Mattys wrote: > John, > > One of Stuarts McLachlan's PB dll's could be fastest. > The mention of quit analysis brings Linq to mind, though. > A billion per month? I'll have to get my brother's take on that. > > Your methods sound very close to address resolution and geocoding. > I can almost visualize your records falling into one of four quadrants > on a map. > > Michael R Mattys > Mattys Consulting, LLC > www.mattysconsulting.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby > Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2012 2:31 PM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Using the CLR with SQL Server > > Michael, > > I do a ton of SQL Server automation where I BCP files in and out, run > dynamic SQL to update records, control processes etc. However I have > run into one case where I need to split a CSV string in one field of a > record, and then based on the values in the string, update another > field with a value. > IOW the string has 0 to N "error codes", where N is practically > speaking about 8 maximum codes. > Depending on the error codes I need to create a "simpler" code to tell > me how to use the record. I need to do this to chunks of up to 2 > million records, and tables of hundreds of millions of records. > String handling directly in TSQL doesn't appear to be particularly > speedy so I was looking at building a function in C# to do this stuff, > returning the "simpler code" as a function return value which is then > assigned to the field being updated, directly in TSQL. IOW > > UPDATE [MyDB].[dbo].[MyTbl] > SET [AddrValid] = MyCSFunction(FieldAVal, FieldBVal) > WHERE (Whatever selection may be needed) > > Currently I do this in a UDF, i.e. MyCSVFunction() is actually MyUDF() > called from my dynamic TSQL, but the UDF does not do very thorough > error code analysis, and was designed back when I was doing a total of > a couple of hundred million records a month. I am now pushing a > billion records a month and climbing, so I am trying to rethink my > existing solution. Essentially each record update, even though done > in SQL, is evaluating a UDF in the process and I want to replace that > UDF (if possible) with a faster and more powerful C# solution. > > I have a table of these error codes which I just created, and there > are 60 of them. Some are fatal, some inconvenient, some irrelevant. > Ideally I would do an exhaustive analysis of each and every code in > the CSV string against the table to determine the "most severe error" > if you will and how that impacts the use of the record. As it is I > kinda punt and look for specific codes and ignore everything else... > not a good solution, but I am just not able to program an efficient TSQL solution to this problem. > > > I am not sure that I can program an efficient CLR solution either for > that manner but I stand a much better chance I think. However I have > never tried to use the CLR so there is the learning curve as well. > > I would like to something like: > > 1) Load the error table one time into a table in C#. > 2) Have the function parse the CSV string into a table each call and > then join to the Error table (in memory). > 3) Order by severity desc > 4) Return Max(Severity) > > Or something similar. > > Or... > > 1) Load the error table into a dictionary one time > 2) Have the function parse the CSV string and look up each error in > the dictionary > 3) Return the severity of the most severe error code found > 4) Short circuit (quit analysis) if more than a certain severity found > > Or something similar. > > I could of course do the whole thing in a UDF but I have never > discovered how to do debugging in TSQL equivalent to the C# / visual > studio environment. > > This CSV error string just has me hamstrung in terms of correctly > processing the errors, at least efficiently enough to handle millions > of records in a reasonable time frame. > > John W. Colby > Colby Consulting > > Reality is what refuses to go away > when you do not believe in it > > On 9/2/2012 11:50 AM, Michael Mattys wrote: > > Hi John, > > > > We've used the CLR for serializing, visualizing, and altering shapes > > from MapPoint using the geography capabilities in SQLS 2008. > > What are you going to be using it for? > > > > Michael R Mattys > > Mattys Consulting, LLC > > www.mattysconsulting.com > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby > > Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2012 12:57 AM > > To: Sqlserver-Dba; Access Developers discussion and problem solving; > > VBA > > Subject: [AccessD] Using the CLR with SQL Server > > > > Just a poll to see if anyone on the list is using the CLR in SQL > > Server. I do a lot of C# work now and mostly to automate SQL Server. > > I have not been using the CLR in SQL Server but I am ready to figure > > it > out. > > > > Anyone? > > > > -- > > John W. Colby > > Colby Consulting > > > > Reality is what refuses to go away > > when you do not believe in it > > > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Tue Sep 4 12:49:59 2012 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2012 13:49:59 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Access skills testing Message-ID: <50463F47.8050401@colbyconsulting.com> Does anyone have anything on testing MS Access skills? One of my clients wants to see what his applicants know. -- John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it From jimdettman at verizon.net Tue Sep 4 13:03:55 2012 From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman) Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2012 14:03:55 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] OT: US Zip codes Message-ID: All, A while back, a link was posted on the list for a geo database containing all US Zip codes, which was part of a web site. Recently with a client, I had reason to compare this list with one provided by CCH for CA and OH for sales tax purposes. When I compared the two, I found 231 zips that existed in the Geo database that were not in the CCH database. Checking the web, I found a few web sites saying these were valid, but after contacting CCH, they pointed out that they are not according to the US Post Office. One such is: '43989','Short Creek','OH','40.296490','-81.102502',-5,1,'us' We discovered this when my client had a customer place an order using this zip and it didn't calculate sales tax. According to the US Post office and UPS, it's not a valid zip. Yet the city name the customer entered matches the geo database entry and a couple of sites out on the web (i.e. www.uszips.com ) Anyone worked with US zip codes and might have an idea of where the disconnect is or why? I'm left scratching my head between a customer that believes they are using a valid zip and USPS and UPS saying it's not. Jim. From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk Tue Sep 4 13:11:18 2012 From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid) Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2012 19:11:18 +0100 Subject: [AccessD] Access skills testing Message-ID: <631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB082958E50572C56@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk> They have a Colby, why do they need anything else? Martin Sent from my Windows Phone ________________________________ From: jwcolby Sent: 04/09/2012 18:54 To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: [AccessD] Access skills testing Does anyone have anything on testing MS Access skills? One of my clients wants to see what his applicants know. -- John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From tinanfields at torchlake.com Tue Sep 4 14:09:38 2012 From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields) Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2012 15:09:38 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Access Won't Close In-Reply-To: <503F77BF.7010203@colbyconsulting.com> References: <50A701F91CDB42C69A3E136C61120E2E@HAL9007><2EE4877C71F94BB5B60FB9FBFDF01F82@HAL9007> <887F372EDAAD42A2A02CB4D9BDDD9E6A@XPS> <503F77BF.7010203@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <504651F2.9090907@torchlake.com> JC, Didn't you build one for your framework? Or, did I misremember? T Tina Norris Fields tinanfields at torchlake.com 231-322-2787 On 8/30/2012 10:25 AM, jwcolby wrote: > How about a garbage collector that works? > > ;) > > John W. Colby > Colby Consulting > > Reality is what refuses to go away > when you do not believe in it > > On 8/30/2012 9:59 AM, Rocky Smolin wrote: >> How about open objects to make it easier to track down where you forgot >> close/set to nothing? >> >> Rocky >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman >> Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2012 6:21 AM >> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' >> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access Won't Close >> >> <> >> >> That's interesting and sure sounds like it. Never knew there was a >> distinction between DoCmd.Quit and Application.Quit (there really >> shouldn't >> be either). >> >> Which brings to mind a feature which I always wish Access had; a >> way to >> inspect the open reference count and list them. That would be really >> interesting to look at. >> >> Jim. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan, >> Lambert >> Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2012 09:05 AM >> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving >> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access Won't Close >> >> Best guess, invoking DoCmd creates an object behind the scenes? >> >> DoCmd is a property of the Application object, and if you look at >> Help it >> says: >> >> "You can use the DoCmd property to access the read-only DoCmd object >> and its >> related methods." >> >> So when you invoke Docmd.Quit you have created another Application >> object on >> the fly. Whereas with Application.Quit you are using the existing >> Application object. >> >> Something like that anyway! >> >> Lambert >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin >> Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2012 5:52 PM >> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' >> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access Won't Close >> >> Brian and Lambert: >> >> So I substituted Application.Quit for DoCmd.Quit and that solved it. Go >> figure... >> >> Thanks >> >> Rocky >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman >> Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2012 10:03 AM >> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' >> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access Won't Close >> >> Rocky, >> >> make sure any object you open is closed and it's variable set to >> nothing. >> >> Access has no idea if it's been called as an automation server or not. >> When it goes to close, if it sees an open reference, it minimizes to the >> task bar assuming that another program is not finished with it yet. >> >> Jim. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin >> Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2012 12:55 PM >> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' >> Subject: [AccessD] Access Won't Close >> >> Dear List: >> >> My client wanted an email function in his app. No problem - they use >> Outlook and I had the code already I could crib from another app. >> >> However, now when I exit the app, Access doesn't close - can't close >> it from >> the X, have to use the Task Manager. >> >> This happens if I just start the app and click exit from the opening >> splash >> screen. >> >> I'm pretty sure it has to do with Outlook (which is open all the time >> on my >> box). >> >> And I remember reading about this on the list years ago. >> >> Does anybody know the problem/solution? >> >> MTIA >> Rocky Smolin >> Beach Access Software >> 858-259-4334 >> www.bchacc.com www.e-z-mrp.com >> >> Skype: rocky.smolin >> >> >> >> -- >> AccessD mailing list >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> -- >> AccessD mailing list >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> -- >> AccessD mailing list >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> -- >> AccessD mailing list >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> -- >> AccessD mailing list >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> > From fuller.artful at gmail.com Tue Sep 4 14:39:51 2012 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2012 15:39:51 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Access skills testing In-Reply-To: <631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB082958E50572C56@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk> References: <631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB082958E50572C56@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk> Message-ID: That's a moving target if ever I've seen one. Consider 2003 v. 2007-10. However, it's true that at least some of the knowledge of old commands is portable. But I sense another problem here, and that would be that this question is asked in the absence of app-requirements, which I don't think is fair either to the applicants or to the client. Instead I might suggest that a description of the app-requirements might first be formulated, and then the questions to ask might just "fall out" of the requirements. For example, is the BE to be SQL Server or MDB or Accdb? That question alone matters hugely, and influences all subsequent questions, on that path at least. Then there would be the issue of user-quantity: 100 users is significantly different than 10. Another consideration is the quantity of locations: if it's only one, things become much simpler. If it's several, then other skills are required, such as the ability to set up a Terminal Services server and establish the connections to same. After that I would want to know the demands involve Office Automation, such as populating Excel spreadsheets or Word documents from data inhaled from the database, and whether such documents require translation to Acrobat files to be automatically emailed to Outlook recipients or perhaps some other email client. IMO, without answers to these questions, I could not begin to devise a set of test questions to determine whether candidate A or B or C would be a good fit. And there are several more questions, having more to do with the client's environment that the actual skill set. Does everyone wear ties, or shorts and tees? Are there rigid restrictions on start-and-stop time, or is the developer free to work her own hours? Are time zones involved (which might happen if the client does business in Asia)? How much technology-transfer is considered part of the gig (which means, do I not only have to write the app but also provide sufficient instruction for the in-house people to be able to perform maintenance)? I can probably come up with a few dozen more questions, but the bottom line is, before we can proceed we need to understand the client's opinion about what defines a successful hire, and that means that we need to know the requirements of the app itself. Without this information, you and I and the client are in the dark, asking abstract questions such as "Do you know how to open the same form thrice?" or perhaps, "Can you write a class that abstracts the details of an argument to the OpenForm method", which questions, I daresay, do not begin to approach the immediate problems at hand. If there is no possibility in the given app to be written that a user will ever open the same form twice, why ask the question? On the other hand, if a given report must be able to accept a date-scope and/or a client scope, then that question is definitely worth asking: "How would you suggest that we accomplish this, and secondly, will your solution be portable from app to app?" In this case, that's how I would phrase the question. There's one more thing that I feel that I should toss into this discussion: although I started out in dBASE-II and then Fox and then Access and then Oracle and then SQL Server, one thing I learned way back when is that the user should NEVER NEVER NEVER have access to the native tables. No No No! (If I'm sounding like Adele, I can live with that!) Nobody but God, which means the DBA, should be able to access a table, and if you have not accepted that fundamental truth, then go back to school and learn why. I learned from Dr. E.F. Cood and Fabian Pascal and Michale Stonebreaker, and also a few set-theory mathematicians, and after them, a few of the NoSQL people. Life goes on, and so does exploration of where this is going to get us, in the big picture. I admit that considering these giant brains, I am a follower, not a leader, But I also say that I walk into these arguments without baggage. I am looking for two things: correctness and speed. That's all I have to say about my decisions in this respect: at any given moment, I could be wrong and chosen the wrong horse. I accept that. But I have no favourite horses in this particular Kentucky Derby. I might have a favourite and might bet an unhealthy amount of loot on that gorgeous horse, but that doesn't mean that if another horse wins, I shall call the raced fixed. That's not where I go with this stuff. I have my emotional favourites -- of course I do! But that doesn't mean that I reject Evidence. Above all, I try to be objective in these matters, and if the evidence turns against me, I shall most happy to declare that I was mistaken. I am not out to win arguments, in the face of evidence. I am most willing to be proved incorrect. That is my nature. On Tue, Sep 4, 2012 at 2:11 PM, Martin Reid wrote: > They have a Colby, why do they need anything else? > > Martin > > Sent from my Windows Phone > ________________________________ > From: jwcolby > Sent: 04/09/2012 18:54 > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: [AccessD] Access skills testing > > Does anyone have anything on testing MS Access skills? > > One of my clients wants to see what his applicants know. > > -- > John W. Colby > Colby Consulting > > Reality is what refuses to go away > when you do not believe in it > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Arthur Cell: 647.710.1314 Prediction is difficult, especially of the future. -- Niels Bohr From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Tue Sep 4 15:40:30 2012 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2012 06:40:30 +1000 Subject: [AccessD] Access skills testing In-Reply-To: References: <631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB082958E50572C56@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk>, Message-ID: <5046673E.15138.3EA63A0C@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> "testing Access skills" <> "a job interview". JC didn't ask for the latter. SQL Server, Terminal Services, dress sense, working hours etc are not Access skills and I'd expect the hirer to determine what questions are relevant in these areas. JC, how about giving the applicants a copy of your framework and asking them to describe what various components do :-) -- Stuart On 4 Sep 2012 at 15:39, Arthur Fuller wrote: > That's a moving target if ever I've seen one. Consider 2003 v. 2007-10. > However, it's true that at least some of the knowledge of old commands is > portable. But I sense another problem here, and that would be that this > question is asked in the absence of app-requirements, which I don't think > is fair either to the applicants or to the client. > > Instead I might suggest that a description of the app-requirements might > first be formulated, and then the questions to ask might just "fall out" of > the requirements. For example, is the BE to be SQL Server or MDB or Accdb? > That question alone matters hugely, and influences all subsequent > questions, on that path at least. Then there would be the issue of > user-quantity: 100 users is significantly different than 10. Another > consideration is the quantity of locations: if it's only one, things become > much simpler. If it's several, then other skills are required, such as the > ability to set up a Terminal Services server and establish the connections > to same. After that I would want to know the demands involve Office > Automation, such as populating Excel spreadsheets or Word documents from > data inhaled from the database, and whether such documents require > translation to Acrobat files to be automatically emailed to Outlook > recipients or perhaps some other email client. > > IMO, without answers to these questions, I could not begin to devise a set > of test questions to determine whether candidate A or B or C would be a > good fit. > > And there are several more questions, having more to do with the client's > environment that the actual skill set. Does everyone wear ties, or shorts > and tees? Are there rigid restrictions on start-and-stop time, or is the > developer free to work her own hours? Are time zones involved (which might > happen if the client does business in Asia)? How much technology-transfer > is considered part of the gig (which means, do I not only have to write the > app but also provide sufficient instruction for the in-house people to be > able to perform maintenance)? > > I can probably come up with a few dozen more questions, but the bottom line > is, before we can proceed we need to understand the client's opinion about > what defines a successful hire, and that means that we need to know the > requirements of the app itself. Without this information, you and I and the > client are in the dark, asking abstract questions such as "Do you know how > to open the same form thrice?" or perhaps, "Can you write a class that > abstracts the details of an argument to the OpenForm method", which > questions, I daresay, do not begin to approach the immediate problems at > hand. If there is no possibility in the given app to be written that a user > will ever open the same form twice, why ask the question? On the other > hand, if a given report must be able to accept a date-scope and/or a client > scope, then that question is definitely worth asking: "How would you > suggest that we accomplish this, and secondly, will your solution be > portable from app to app?" In this case, that's how I would phrase the > question. > > There's one more thing that I feel that I should toss into this discussion: > although I started out in dBASE-II and then Fox and then Access and then > Oracle and then SQL Server, one thing I learned way back when is that the > user should NEVER NEVER NEVER have access to the native tables. No No No! > (If I'm sounding like Adele, I can live with that!) Nobody but God, which > means the DBA, should be able to access a table, and if you have not > accepted that fundamental truth, then go back to school and learn why. I > learned from Dr. E.F. Cood and Fabian Pascal and Michale Stonebreaker, and > also a few set-theory mathematicians, and after them, a few of the NoSQL > people. Life goes on, and so does exploration of where this is going to get > us, in the big picture. I admit that considering these giant brains, I am a > follower, not a leader, But I also say that I walk into these arguments > without baggage. I am looking for two things: correctness and speed. That's > all I have to say about my decisions in this respect: at any given moment, > I could be wrong and chosen the wrong horse. I accept that. But I have no > favourite horses in this particular Kentucky Derby. I might have a > favourite and might bet an unhealthy amount of loot on that gorgeous horse, > but that doesn't mean that if another horse wins, I shall call the raced > fixed. That's not where I go with this stuff. I have my emotional > favourites -- of course I do! But that doesn't mean that I reject Evidence. > Above all, I try to be objective in these matters, and if the evidence > turns against me, I shall most happy to declare that I was mistaken. I am > not out to win arguments, in the face of evidence. I am most willing to be > proved incorrect. That is my nature. > > On Tue, Sep 4, 2012 at 2:11 PM, Martin Reid wrote: > > > They have a Colby, why do they need anything else? > > > > Martin > > > > Sent from my Windows Phone > > ________________________________ > > From: jwcolby > > Sent: 04/09/2012 18:54 > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > > Subject: [AccessD] Access skills testing > > > > Does anyone have anything on testing MS Access skills? > > > > One of my clients wants to see what his applicants know. > > > > -- > > John W. Colby > > Colby Consulting > > > > Reality is what refuses to go away > > when you do not believe in it > > > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > -- > Arthur > Cell: 647.710.1314 > > Prediction is difficult, especially of the future. > -- Niels Bohr > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Tue Sep 4 20:01:46 2012 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2012 21:01:46 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Access skills testing In-Reply-To: <5046673E.15138.3EA63A0C@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: <631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB082958E50572C56@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk>, <5046673E.15138.3EA63A0C@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <5046A47A.4030307@colbyconsulting.com> > JC, how about giving the applicants a copy of your framework and asking them to describe > what various components do :-) Hardly seems fair! ;) John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it On 9/4/2012 4:40 PM, Stuart McLachlan wrote: > "testing Access skills" <> "a job interview". JC didn't ask for the latter. > > SQL Server, Terminal Services, dress sense, working hours etc are not Access skills and I'd > expect the hirer to determine what questions are relevant in these areas. > > JC, how about giving the applicants a copy of your framework and asking them to describe > what various components do :-) > > From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au Tue Sep 4 20:20:33 2012 From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins) Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2012 01:20:33 +0000 Subject: [AccessD] Access skills testing In-Reply-To: <5046A47A.4030307@colbyconsulting.com> References: <631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB082958E50572C56@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk>, <5046673E.15138.3EA63A0C@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <5046A47A.4030307@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B525015258@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com> Heh.... I would settle for getting them to explain what some of your emails mean ;) -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: Wednesday, 5 September 2012 11:02 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access skills testing > JC, how about giving the applicants a copy of your framework and asking them to describe > what various components do :-) Hardly seems fair! ;) John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it On 9/4/2012 4:40 PM, Stuart McLachlan wrote: > "testing Access skills" <> "a job interview". JC didn't ask for the latter. > > SQL Server, Terminal Services, dress sense, working hours etc are not > Access skills and I'd expect the hirer to determine what questions are relevant in these areas. > > JC, how about giving the applicants a copy of your framework and > asking them to describe what various components do :-) > > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From michael at mattysconsulting.com Tue Sep 4 22:48:53 2012 From: michael at mattysconsulting.com (Michael Mattys) Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2012 23:48:53 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] OT: US Zip codes In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <010401cd8b19$5f66fa80$1e34ef80$@mattysconsulting.com> Believe it or not, they simply discontinued that Zip Code. It appears that the post office was shut down there so the new identifier is a placename: Cadiz, OH 43907. Michael R Mattys Mattys Consulting, LLC www.mattysconsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2012 2:04 PM To: AccessD List Subject: [AccessD] OT: US Zip codes All, A while back, a link was posted on the list for a geo database containing all US Zip codes, which was part of a web site. Recently with a client, I had reason to compare this list with one provided by CCH for CA and OH for sales tax purposes. When I compared the two, I found 231 zips that existed in the Geo database that were not in the CCH database. Checking the web, I found a few web sites saying these were valid, but after contacting CCH, they pointed out that they are not according to the US Post Office. One such is: '43989','Short Creek','OH','40.296490','-81.102502',-5,1,'us' We discovered this when my client had a customer place an order using this zip and it didn't calculate sales tax. According to the US Post office and UPS, it's not a valid zip. Yet the city name the customer entered matches the geo database entry and a couple of sites out on the web (i.e. www.uszips.com ) Anyone worked with US zip codes and might have an idea of where the disconnect is or why? I'm left scratching my head between a customer that believes they are using a valid zip and USPS and UPS saying it's not. Jim. -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Benson at ge.com Wed Sep 5 00:20:52 2012 From: Benson at ge.com (Benson, William (GE Global Research, consultant)) Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2012 05:20:52 +0000 Subject: [AccessD] Access skills testing In-Reply-To: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B525015258@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com> References: <631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB082958E50572C56@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk>, <5046673E.15138.3EA63A0C@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <5046A47A.4030307@colbyconsulting.com> <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B525015258@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com> Message-ID: <93D10F008B998B4A83BCA855A33EEF372C8508E7@CINMBCNA01.e2k.ad.ge.com> Can I have the responses pls!!!! -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darryl Collins Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2012 9:21 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access skills testing Heh.... I would settle for getting them to explain what some of your emails mean ;) -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: Wednesday, 5 September 2012 11:02 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access skills testing > JC, how about giving the applicants a copy of your framework and asking them to describe > what various components do :-) Hardly seems fair! ;) John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it On 9/4/2012 4:40 PM, Stuart McLachlan wrote: > "testing Access skills" <> "a job interview". JC didn't ask for the latter. > > SQL Server, Terminal Services, dress sense, working hours etc are not > Access skills and I'd expect the hirer to determine what questions are relevant in these areas. > > JC, how about giving the applicants a copy of your framework and > asking them to describe what various components do :-) > > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jimdettman at verizon.net Wed Sep 5 08:33:45 2012 From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman) Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2012 09:33:45 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] OT: US Zip codes In-Reply-To: <010401cd8b19$5f66fa80$1e34ef80$@mattysconsulting.com> References: <010401cd8b19$5f66fa80$1e34ef80$@mattysconsulting.com> Message-ID: <941DFF4759CA471593A1070964609011@XPS> Michael, Thanks for that. Raises a lot of issues moving forward too...many companies base sales tax on zip or zip+4. Zip+4 is a lot more accurate, but it's a royal pain to verify street addresses, especially on web orders, so many (including my client) only base sales tax on zip. The problem with that however is there can be a mis-match between taxing jurisdictions and postal zones. In the past, it wasn't enough to worry about and every state I'm aware of accepted sales tax based on zip. With post offices closing down however, that mis-match will only get larger. Jim. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Michael Mattys Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2012 11:49 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: US Zip codes Believe it or not, they simply discontinued that Zip Code. It appears that the post office was shut down there so the new identifier is a placename: Cadiz, OH 43907. Michael R Mattys Mattys Consulting, LLC www.mattysconsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2012 2:04 PM To: AccessD List Subject: [AccessD] OT: US Zip codes All, A while back, a link was posted on the list for a geo database containing all US Zip codes, which was part of a web site. Recently with a client, I had reason to compare this list with one provided by CCH for CA and OH for sales tax purposes. When I compared the two, I found 231 zips that existed in the Geo database that were not in the CCH database. Checking the web, I found a few web sites saying these were valid, but after contacting CCH, they pointed out that they are not according to the US Post Office. One such is: '43989','Short Creek','OH','40.296490','-81.102502',-5,1,'us' We discovered this when my client had a customer place an order using this zip and it didn't calculate sales tax. According to the US Post office and UPS, it's not a valid zip. Yet the city name the customer entered matches the geo database entry and a couple of sites out on the web (i.e. www.uszips.com ) Anyone worked with US zip codes and might have an idea of where the disconnect is or why? I'm left scratching my head between a customer that believes they are using a valid zip and USPS and UPS saying it's not. Jim. -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Wed Sep 5 08:31:05 2012 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2012 09:31:05 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Access skills testing In-Reply-To: <5046673E.15138.3EA63A0C@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: <631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB082958E50572C56@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk>, <5046673E.15138.3EA63A0C@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <50475419.1050906@colbyconsulting.com> > JC, how about giving the applicants a copy of your framework and asking them to describe what various components do :-) Actually this might work. If they sneak out of the building when you leave the room ... ;) John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it On 9/4/2012 4:40 PM, Stuart McLachlan wrote: > "testing Access skills" <> "a job interview". JC didn't ask for the latter. > > SQL Server, Terminal Services, dress sense, working hours etc are not Access skills and I'd > expect the hirer to determine what questions are relevant in these areas. > > JC, how about giving the applicants a copy of your framework and asking them to describe > what various components do :-) > > From df.waters at comcast.net Wed Sep 5 09:35:14 2012 From: df.waters at comcast.net (Dan Waters) Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2012 09:35:14 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] ADO 2.8 Library OR ADO 2.8 Recordset Library? Message-ID: <001e01cd8b73$a9acb3a0$fd061ae0$@comcast.net> A few users have suddenly started having an error when trying to connect to an Oracle database. Up to now, I've been using ADO 2.6 Library. I'm going to reset the reference to 2.8, but there is also an ADO Recordset 2.8 Library. Should I use both? Thanks! Dan From dw-murphy at cox.net Wed Sep 5 10:11:55 2012 From: dw-murphy at cox.net (Doug Murphy) Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2012 08:11:55 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] OT: US Zip codes In-Reply-To: <941DFF4759CA471593A1070964609011@XPS> References: <010401cd8b19$5f66fa80$1e34ef80$@mattysconsulting.com> <941DFF4759CA471593A1070964609011@XPS> Message-ID: <004801cd8b78$c980f2e0$5c82d8a0$@cox.net> Jim, It might be worth looking at the Google maps api. I did some experimenting a few years ago and was able to resolve addresses to lat/long and zip. There are some restrictions as I recollect like having a Google account, limited number of queries per day, etc. Depending on your requirements it might work. I would think Google would keep current on zip changes, but that is an assumption. Doug -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2012 6:34 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: US Zip codes Michael, Thanks for that. Raises a lot of issues moving forward too...many companies base sales tax on zip or zip+4. Zip+4 is a lot more accurate, but it's a royal pain to verify street addresses, especially on web orders, so many (including my client) only base sales tax on zip. The problem with that however is there can be a mis-match between taxing jurisdictions and postal zones. In the past, it wasn't enough to worry about and every state I'm aware of accepted sales tax based on zip. With post offices closing down however, that mis-match will only get larger. Jim. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Michael Mattys Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2012 11:49 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: US Zip codes Believe it or not, they simply discontinued that Zip Code. It appears that the post office was shut down there so the new identifier is a placename: Cadiz, OH 43907. Michael R Mattys Mattys Consulting, LLC www.mattysconsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2012 2:04 PM To: AccessD List Subject: [AccessD] OT: US Zip codes All, A while back, a link was posted on the list for a geo database containing all US Zip codes, which was part of a web site. Recently with a client, I had reason to compare this list with one provided by CCH for CA and OH for sales tax purposes. When I compared the two, I found 231 zips that existed in the Geo database that were not in the CCH database. Checking the web, I found a few web sites saying these were valid, but after contacting CCH, they pointed out that they are not according to the US Post Office. One such is: '43989','Short Creek','OH','40.296490','-81.102502',-5,1,'us' We discovered this when my client had a customer place an order using this zip and it didn't calculate sales tax. According to the US Post office and UPS, it's not a valid zip. Yet the city name the customer entered matches the geo database entry and a couple of sites out on the web (i.e. www.uszips.com ) Anyone worked with US zip codes and might have an idea of where the disconnect is or why? I'm left scratching my head between a customer that believes they are using a valid zip and USPS and UPS saying it's not. Jim. -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jimdettman at verizon.net Wed Sep 5 10:23:04 2012 From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman) Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2012 11:23:04 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] OT: US Zip codes In-Reply-To: <004801cd8b78$c980f2e0$5c82d8a0$@cox.net> References: <010401cd8b19$5f66fa80$1e34ef80$@mattysconsulting.com> <941DFF4759CA471593A1070964609011@XPS> <004801cd8b78$c980f2e0$5c82d8a0$@cox.net> Message-ID: Thanks Doug. Jim. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Doug Murphy Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2012 11:12 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: US Zip codes Jim, It might be worth looking at the Google maps api. I did some experimenting a few years ago and was able to resolve addresses to lat/long and zip. There are some restrictions as I recollect like having a Google account, limited number of queries per day, etc. Depending on your requirements it might work. I would think Google would keep current on zip changes, but that is an assumption. Doug -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2012 6:34 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: US Zip codes Michael, Thanks for that. Raises a lot of issues moving forward too...many companies base sales tax on zip or zip+4. Zip+4 is a lot more accurate, but it's a royal pain to verify street addresses, especially on web orders, so many (including my client) only base sales tax on zip. The problem with that however is there can be a mis-match between taxing jurisdictions and postal zones. In the past, it wasn't enough to worry about and every state I'm aware of accepted sales tax based on zip. With post offices closing down however, that mis-match will only get larger. Jim. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Michael Mattys Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2012 11:49 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: US Zip codes Believe it or not, they simply discontinued that Zip Code. It appears that the post office was shut down there so the new identifier is a placename: Cadiz, OH 43907. Michael R Mattys Mattys Consulting, LLC www.mattysconsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2012 2:04 PM To: AccessD List Subject: [AccessD] OT: US Zip codes All, A while back, a link was posted on the list for a geo database containing all US Zip codes, which was part of a web site. Recently with a client, I had reason to compare this list with one provided by CCH for CA and OH for sales tax purposes. When I compared the two, I found 231 zips that existed in the Geo database that were not in the CCH database. Checking the web, I found a few web sites saying these were valid, but after contacting CCH, they pointed out that they are not according to the US Post Office. One such is: '43989','Short Creek','OH','40.296490','-81.102502',-5,1,'us' We discovered this when my client had a customer place an order using this zip and it didn't calculate sales tax. According to the US Post office and UPS, it's not a valid zip. Yet the city name the customer entered matches the geo database entry and a couple of sites out on the web (i.e. www.uszips.com ) Anyone worked with US zip codes and might have an idea of where the disconnect is or why? I'm left scratching my head between a customer that believes they are using a valid zip and USPS and UPS saying it's not. Jim. -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jackandpat.d at gmail.com Wed Sep 5 10:21:23 2012 From: jackandpat.d at gmail.com (jack drawbridge) Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2012 11:21:23 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] OT: US Zip codes In-Reply-To: <004801cd8b78$c980f2e0$5c82d8a0$@cox.net> References: <010401cd8b19$5f66fa80$1e34ef80$@mattysconsulting.com> <941DFF4759CA471593A1070964609011@XPS> <004801cd8b78$c980f2e0$5c82d8a0$@cox.net> Message-ID: Not sure of the details in the US, but in Canada you can buy into a Postal Code service with Canada Post (Post office). They supply the latest authoritative list of new, deleted, reprofiled Postal Codes. However, it is quite costly. Many people use copies of files from some date (not sure of the legality of that) and of course such applications do not get the updates/deletions etc. Seems from the posts here that perhaps some Tax authority may have a Taxation / Zip code service that could be used. Again these things may only be state based and costly. jack On Wed, Sep 5, 2012 at 11:11 AM, Doug Murphy wrote: > Jim, > > It might be worth looking at the Google maps api. I did some experimenting > a > few years ago and was able to resolve addresses to lat/long and zip. There > are some restrictions as I recollect like having a Google account, limited > number of queries per day, etc. Depending on your requirements it might > work. I would think Google would keep current on zip changes, but that is > an > assumption. > > Doug > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman > Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2012 6:34 AM > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: US Zip codes > > Michael, > > Thanks for that. > > Raises a lot of issues moving forward too...many companies base sales tax > on zip or zip+4. Zip+4 is a lot more accurate, but it's a royal pain to > verify street addresses, especially on web orders, so many (including my > client) only base sales tax on zip. > > The problem with that however is there can be a mis-match between taxing > jurisdictions and postal zones. In the past, it wasn't enough to worry > about and every state I'm aware of accepted sales tax based on zip. With > post offices closing down however, that mis-match will only get larger. > > Jim. > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Michael Mattys > Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2012 11:49 PM > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: US Zip codes > > Believe it or not, they simply discontinued that Zip Code. > It appears that the post office was shut down there so the new identifier > is > a placename: Cadiz, OH 43907. > > Michael R Mattys > Mattys Consulting, LLC > www.mattysconsulting.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman > Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2012 2:04 PM > To: AccessD List > Subject: [AccessD] OT: US Zip codes > > All, > > A while back, a link was posted on the list for a geo database containing > all US Zip codes, which was part of a web site. > > Recently with a client, I had reason to compare this list with one > provided > by CCH for CA and OH for sales tax purposes. When I compared the two, I > found 231 zips that existed in the Geo database that were not in the CCH > database. Checking the web, I found a few web sites saying these were > valid, but after contacting CCH, they pointed out that they are not > according to the US Post Office. > > One such is: > > '43989','Short Creek','OH','40.296490','-81.102502',-5,1,'us' > > We discovered this when my client had a customer place an order using this > zip and it didn't calculate sales tax. According to the US Post office > and > UPS, it's not a valid zip. Yet the city name the customer entered matches > the geo database entry and a couple of sites out on the web (i.e. > www.uszips.com ) > > Anyone worked with US zip codes and might have an idea of where the > disconnect is or why? I'm left scratching my head between a customer that > believes they are using a valid zip and USPS and UPS saying it's not. > > Jim. > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From stephen at bondsoftware.co.nz Fri Sep 7 19:12:22 2012 From: stephen at bondsoftware.co.nz (Stephen Bond) Date: Sat, 08 Sep 2012 12:12:22 +1200 Subject: [AccessD] disable Access 2010 full menus Message-ID: I want to programmatically disable Access 2010 full menus in a 2003 app running under Access 2010. I can see how to do it manually in 2010 but want code, something like I do for Toolbars in 2003 DoCmd.ShowToolbar "whatever", acToolbarNo Is this possible? Stephen From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Fri Sep 7 23:44:09 2012 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Sat, 08 Sep 2012 00:44:09 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Let's Build a Goddamn Tesla Museum -- Indiegogo Message-ID: <504ACD19.9050407@colbyconsulting.com> -- John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it http://www.indiegogo.com/teslamuseum?c=gallery From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Fri Sep 7 23:46:43 2012 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Sat, 08 Sep 2012 00:46:43 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] What it's like to own an Apple product - The Oatmeal Message-ID: <504ACDB3.8020207@colbyconsulting.com> Especially appropriate! -- John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it http://theoatmeal.com/comics/apple From accessd at shaw.ca Sat Sep 8 00:05:10 2012 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2012 22:05:10 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Let's Build a Goddamn Tesla Museum -- Indiegogo In-Reply-To: <504ACD19.9050407@colbyconsulting.com> References: <504ACD19.9050407@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <17612DB694B5452389B858B9164BE546@creativesystemdesigns.com> Hear hear. Jim -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: Friday, September 07, 2012 9:44 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: [AccessD] Let's Build a Goddamn Tesla Museum -- Indiegogo -- John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it http://www.indiegogo.com/teslamuseum?c=gallery -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Sat Sep 8 11:04:27 2012 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2012 12:04:27 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Switchboard Message-ID: How many of you still use the Access switchboard as your startup form? The reason I ask is that I have several alternatives, but before offering them for public consumption, I would like to know how many of you use this wizard in the apps you deploy? -- Arthur Cell: 647.710.1314 "If you claim to have a theory that deduces unexpected consequences from nontrivial principles, let's see it." -- Noam Chomsky , Propaganda and the Public Mind From accessd at shaw.ca Sat Sep 8 11:50:33 2012 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2012 09:50:33 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Switchboard In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8716DD25EB1440B3BD07A0FD674AF263@creativesystemdesigns.com> I have never used it; always rolled my own. Jim -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2012 9:04 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: [AccessD] Switchboard How many of you still use the Access switchboard as your startup form? The reason I ask is that I have several alternatives, but before offering them for public consumption, I would like to know how many of you use this wizard in the apps you deploy? -- Arthur Cell: 647.710.1314 "If you claim to have a theory that deduces unexpected consequences from nontrivial principles, let's see it." -- Noam Chomsky , Propaganda and the Public Mind -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From mcp2004 at mail.ru Sat Sep 8 12:04:01 2012 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=) Date: Sat, 08 Sep 2012 21:04:01 +0400 Subject: [AccessD] =?utf-8?q?Switchboard?= In-Reply-To: <8716DD25EB1440B3BD07A0FD674AF263@creativesystemdesigns.com> References: <8716DD25EB1440B3BD07A0FD674AF263@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: <1347123841.532018940@f136.mail.ru> Same. -- Shamil Sat, 8 Sep 2012 09:50:33 -0700 ?? "Jim Lawrence" : > > > > >I have never used it; always rolled my own. > > Jim > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller > Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2012 9:04 AM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: [AccessD] Switchboard > > How many of you still use the Access switchboard as your startup form? The > reason I ask is that I have several alternatives, but before offering them > for public consumption, I would like to know how many of you use this > wizard in the apps you deploy? > > -- > Arthur > Cell: 647.710.1314 > > "If you claim to have a theory that deduces unexpected consequences from > nontrivial principles, let's see it." > > -- Noam Chomsky , > Propaganda > and the Public Mind > -- > AccessD mailing list >AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list >AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Sat Sep 8 12:21:36 2012 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Sun, 09 Sep 2012 03:21:36 +1000 Subject: [AccessD] Switchboard In-Reply-To: <1347123841.532018940@f136.mail.ru> References: , <8716DD25EB1440B3BD07A0FD674AF263@creativesystemdesigns.com>, <1347123841.532018940@f136.mail.ru> Message-ID: <504B7EA0.14958.528991E4@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> I used it in Access Ver 1.1 and V2. SInce then, I've rolled my own. -- Stuart On 8 Sep 2012 at 21:04, Salakhetdinov Shamil wrote: > Same. > > -- Shamil > > > Sat, 8 Sep 2012 09:50:33 -0700 "Jim Lawrence" : > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >I have never used it; always rolled my own. > > > > > Jim > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller > > > Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2012 9:04 AM > > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > > > Subject: [AccessD] Switchboard > > > > > How many of you still use the Access switchboard as your startup form? The > > > reason I ask is that I have several alternatives, but before offering them > > > for public consumption, I would like to know how many of you use this > > > wizard in the apps you deploy? > > > > > -- > > > Arthur > > > Cell: 647.710.1314 > > > > > "If you claim to have a theory that deduces unexpected consequences from > > > nontrivial principles, let's see it." > > > > > -- Noam Chomsky , > > > Propaganda > > > and the Public Mind > > > -- > > > AccessD mailing list > >AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > -- > > > AccessD mailing list > >AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Sat Sep 8 12:25:58 2012 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2012 13:25:58 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Switchboard In-Reply-To: <8716DD25EB1440B3BD07A0FD674AF263@creativesystemdesigns.com> References: <8716DD25EB1440B3BD07A0FD674AF263@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: That's most interesting. Can you describe one of your own? How do you lay out the, for want of a better word, tree? Do you begin with an equivalent of the switchboard, or start with the most likely place to visit (such as "Things to Attend To Today", whatever that might entail? I'm seriously curious about how you and others on this list open the given app. I once presented an opening screen that paid attention to projects marked "Incomplete", and my user objected vociferously, saying "I don't want anyone to see what jobs I haven't completed!" An interesting take, which I absorbed, and hence tailored the opening form to show clients and jobs and let her decide. The switchboard is admittedly an easy way to provide a front end, but is also so generic as to be somewhat pointless, in its generality. Who has a better idea (and portable from app to app)? A. From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Sat Sep 8 12:44:59 2012 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Sat, 08 Sep 2012 13:44:59 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Copy recurring records Message-ID: <504B841B.9080802@colbyconsulting.com> I have a program to assist in creating passes to check inmates out for meetings, church etc. I have set up an easy way to copy a pass manually but now I have to remember to do the copy, go in and select a pass and press the button to copy it, once for each pass I want to copy. I am looking at how to implement "recurring" passes, i.e. checking the same inmate out every week, or the same day once per month i.e. every Tuesday night, every Friday night, the second Monday night of the month etc. I'm just wondering if anyone has done this kind of thing and if so what issues you have run into. The inmates cannot be checked out more than 3 times a week so I do not need to handle "daily" (every day) occurrences and I think annual is not worth bothering with, though eventually someone might want to use it to check guys out for their birthday or something. In general though I think that a field in the pass table to place a "W" (weekly) or "M" (Monthly) is good enough. After that Weekly is easy, just add 7 to the pass date and copy. On the face of it, monthly could get ugly. The pass needs to be day of week specific, i.e. it is always to go to a meeting on a specific day of the week, thus if it is the last Monday this month and I want to copy the pass to next month (and the month after etc), what is the algorithm for figuring out the date to place in the pass date field? In particular what happens if the pass to copy is in the last few days of a 31 day month, the 5th week of January for example and I want to copy that to February. The position in the calender for the days of the week rotate around and it just seems to get messy. -- John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it From charlotte.foust at gmail.com Sat Sep 8 12:48:17 2012 From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust) Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2012 10:48:17 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Switchboard In-Reply-To: References: <8716DD25EB1440B3BD07A0FD674AF263@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: I've used it when I need a quickie menu for apps that aren't deployed, i.e. for my own use. And I used it in the applications I've built under my latest contract, since they were never intended to be long-lived, but were transitional between old and new systems. I prefer to build my own menu forms, and I'd like to see yours. Charlotte On Sat, Sep 8, 2012 at 10:25 AM, Arthur Fuller wrote: > That's most interesting. Can you describe one of your own? How do you lay > out the, for want of a better word, tree? Do you begin with an equivalent > of the switchboard, or start with the most likely place to visit (such as > "Things to Attend To Today", whatever that might entail? > > I'm seriously curious about how you and others on this list open the given > app. I once presented an opening screen that paid attention to projects > marked "Incomplete", and my user objected vociferously, saying "I don't > want anyone to see what jobs I haven't completed!" An interesting take, > which I absorbed, and hence tailored the opening form to show clients and > jobs and let her decide. > > The switchboard is admittedly an easy way to provide a front end, but is > also so generic as to be somewhat pointless, in its generality. Who has a > better idea (and portable from app to app)? > > A. > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > From accessd at shaw.ca Sat Sep 8 13:15:37 2012 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2012 11:15:37 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Switchboard In-Reply-To: References: <8716DD25EB1440B3BD07A0FD674AF263@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: <538051C9AF584066BD8B7D38C231291D@creativesystemdesigns.com> Hi Arthur: I do not know what you are expecting as it seems the basics are simple... The applications icon, startup login screen and splash screen are all initiated via the tools/startup list. All default icons, tools menus and base windows are turned off. From then on the user is presented with a "pretty" options menu form with graphics and custom buttons...users really like pretty. After that selecting each menu item, the app drills down and lists either data or options. I personally like to hide previous forms, which can be unhidden when they need focus or just tabbed to, if the information is related. So much of this section of code depends on the users preferences. The one thing I do like is having absolute control of everything that is displayed on that screen and the built-in switchboard seems like quick hack or something a beginner programmer would use as it provides good basic functionality but with limited control, methods and properties. Jim -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2012 10:26 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Switchboard That's most interesting. Can you describe one of your own? How do you lay out the, for want of a better word, tree? Do you begin with an equivalent of the switchboard, or start with the most likely place to visit (such as "Things to Attend To Today", whatever that might entail? I'm seriously curious about how you and others on this list open the given app. I once presented an opening screen that paid attention to projects marked "Incomplete", and my user objected vociferously, saying "I don't want anyone to see what jobs I haven't completed!" An interesting take, which I absorbed, and hence tailored the opening form to show clients and jobs and let her decide. The switchboard is admittedly an easy way to provide a front end, but is also so generic as to be somewhat pointless, in its generality. Who has a better idea (and portable from app to app)? A. -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Sat Sep 8 13:20:09 2012 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2012 14:20:09 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Switchboard In-Reply-To: References: <8716DD25EB1440B3BD07A0FD674AF263@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: I'll show you mine if you show me yours, and in case any internet police are reading this, I meant switchboards! I have several versions of the basic switchboard concept, which I would be happy to share with you, and will send them to you privately, The one I'm currently working on is based on code from our lister and guru Jim Dettman, whose code I inherited and began to modify. My last version I also inherited and modified. Both have virtues and limits. But I guess that what I'm after is an answer to the question, "If you don't use a switchboard, how do you map the navigation into your app?" Do you even begin with a switchboard or its equivalent, or do you immediately take the user to the "Do Right Now" list of tasks? Which obviously may vary widely from app to app, but nonetheless there could be an opening form that lists, for example, "Overdue Invoices", "Purchase Orders Unfulfilled" and so on as its top items, followed by general (i.e. time-insensitive) items such as "Maintain Lookup Tables" which leads to a sub-menu of Regions, Cities, Employees etc. Or would you prefer to begin with a list of Customers and drill down from there? Ah! I think that I'm finally beginning to discover the abstract nature of the question I'm asking, which goes much deeper than the most desirable front end: What is the most intuitive hierarchy (not from the developer's perspective, but the user's)? Do Actions lead to Objects and then Events? Or to Events (i.e. Overdue Invoices) lead to actions, and only after that lead to Info Forms such as Customer_Edit_frm? Of course, there must also be a way to get to that form directly, but what I'm attempting to address in this overlong question is this: should one design the interface, whether switchboard or any other presentation model you use, most immediately present the tasks or actions the user is facing upon login? And in the latter case, ought we do dispense with the switchboard as the initial presentation, and instead move right away to the "S**t we have to deal with RFN (if English is not your first language, think about it) list(s), which conceivably could be several subforms on an opening master form, and a double-click on any item in any of the subforms could open a dialog on same detail, and invite an action upon same item? I don't know. I'm groping for your approaches to these questions/approaches. A. From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Sat Sep 8 14:16:27 2012 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Sat, 08 Sep 2012 15:16:27 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Windows 7: run access as administrator Message-ID: <504B998B.9080905@colbyconsulting.com> I was getting a constant "Allow this application to make changes?" message when opening ANY specific access databases, i.e. the shortcut telling Access to open FE_XYZ. This thing has been annoying me since I started running Windows 7 and pinning specific databases on the task bar. Today I found the answer. Access.exe (in Program files (x86) ) has a property called "run as administrator" which was checked, how I do not know. I unchecked that and voila, no more harassment when opening a database. I have the same issue opening spreadsheets etc. I suspect the answer will be the same, unchecking that property for Excel.exe. -- John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it From charlotte.foust at gmail.com Sat Sep 8 14:27:04 2012 From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust) Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2012 12:27:04 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Switchboard In-Reply-To: References: <8716DD25EB1440B3BD07A0FD674AF263@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: My apps have a distinct mission, they aren't general purpose. So I use a "menu" form as a navigation tool to the distinct features of the particular app. I'm at the end of my current contract, and the last app I built won't be deployed, but I did a couple of experimental things in it to try to approximate some of the stuff I've done in dot net. That app contains about 26 forms and 11 subforms, which all get displayed on one of three tabbed interfaces selected from the menu. It would have been more efficient and would have been faster if built unbound using ADO, but this was one of those projects where the requirements were being extracted with dental forceps right up to the end, . One experiment was to simulate nested tab controls, which is messy in design view, but works like a charm at run time. Another was a user-defined system form which is opened hidden by any form if it isn't already opened. The hidden form serves as the control tower for the application. I keeps track of the current open form (parents and popups) in an in-memory list so that when a popup (not a dialog) closes, the application can step back to the appropriate location.It also keeps track of the currently selected primary keys for the application, which in this case was MbrID, CaseID, and RequestID--all autonumbers. The hidden form is a substitute for what I've done in dot net with a creatable class object. The various forms and subforms are all bound to a custon form class and part of their code sets up an event sink on the control tower form, so every one of them can retrieve the current member, case, and/or member request at any time. The custom form class sinks the individual form that initializes it. I created a HasParent routine in the class because most of the subforms were built to perform as popup forms as well, and some actions aren't appropriate when they're loaded as subforms. The TakeBackFocus routine tells the control tower to retrieve the previous form from its list and make that the current form. The class handles some of the garbage cleanup as well as containing standardized confirmation messages for discarding on editing or cancelling invalid records. And I have one lone macro, Auto_Close, which calls a garbage disposal called CleanAll that makes sure any memory resident forms, reports, etc. are shut down, just in case. The same routine is called when you close the menu form, but I like insurance. My contract ends in two weeks, so I'll never finish the app for the company, but I'm going to continue playing with the concepts. Charlotte On Sat, Sep 8, 2012 at 11:20 AM, Arthur Fuller wrote: > I'll show you mine if you show me yours, and in case any internet police > are reading this, I meant switchboards! > > I have several versions of the basic switchboard concept, which I would be > happy to share with you, and will send them to you privately, The one I'm > currently working on is based on code from our lister and guru Jim Dettman, > whose code I inherited and began to modify. My last version I also > inherited and modified. Both have virtues and limits. > > But I guess that what I'm after is an answer to the question, "If you don't > use a switchboard, how do you map the navigation into your app?" Do you > even begin with a switchboard or its equivalent, or do you immediately take > the user to the "Do Right Now" list of tasks? Which obviously may vary > widely from app to app, but nonetheless there could be an opening form that > lists, for example, "Overdue Invoices", "Purchase Orders Unfulfilled" and > so on as its top items, followed by general (i.e. time-insensitive) items > such as "Maintain Lookup Tables" which leads to a sub-menu of Regions, > Cities, Employees etc. > > Or would you prefer to begin with a list of Customers and drill down from > there? Ah! I think that I'm finally beginning to discover the abstract > nature of the question I'm asking, which goes much deeper than the most > desirable front end: What is the most intuitive hierarchy (not from the > developer's perspective, but the user's)? Do Actions lead to Objects and > then Events? Or to Events (i.e. Overdue Invoices) lead to actions, and only > after that lead to Info Forms such as Customer_Edit_frm? Of course, there > must also be a way to get to that form directly, but what I'm attempting to > address in this overlong question is this: should one design the interface, > whether switchboard or any other presentation model you use, most > immediately present the tasks or actions the user is facing upon login? And > in the latter case, ought we do dispense with the switchboard as the > initial presentation, and instead move right away to the "S**t we have to > deal with RFN (if English is not your first language, think about it) > list(s), which conceivably could be several subforms on an opening master > form, and a double-click on any item in any of the subforms could open a > dialog on same detail, and invite an action upon same item? > > I don't know. I'm groping for your approaches to these > questions/approaches. > > A. > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Sat Sep 8 15:42:40 2012 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2012 13:42:40 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Switchboard In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Never used it. It looked overly complicated and the format was too fixed. I found when I wrote my first app that it was much easier to drop a bunch of command buttons on a form than figure out how that switchboard worked. Rocky -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2012 9:04 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: [AccessD] Switchboard How many of you still use the Access switchboard as your startup form? The reason I ask is that I have several alternatives, but before offering them for public consumption, I would like to know how many of you use this wizard in the apps you deploy? -- Arthur Cell: 647.710.1314 "If you claim to have a theory that deduces unexpected consequences from nontrivial principles, let's see it." -- Noam Chomsky , Propaganda and the Public Mind -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Sat Sep 8 15:46:02 2012 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2012 13:46:02 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Switchboard In-Reply-To: References: <8716DD25EB1440B3BD07A0FD674AF263@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: <47F57682956149BDA39BB269552F70D5@HAL9007> I have a template with three columns of button - Input (Entry/Edit), Report, and Other (Utilities, etc.) R -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2012 10:26 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Switchboard That's most interesting. Can you describe one of your own? How do you lay out the, for want of a better word, tree? Do you begin with an equivalent of the switchboard, or start with the most likely place to visit (such as "Things to Attend To Today", whatever that might entail? I'm seriously curious about how you and others on this list open the given app. I once presented an opening screen that paid attention to projects marked "Incomplete", and my user objected vociferously, saying "I don't want anyone to see what jobs I haven't completed!" An interesting take, which I absorbed, and hence tailored the opening form to show clients and jobs and let her decide. The switchboard is admittedly an easy way to provide a front end, but is also so generic as to be somewhat pointless, in its generality. Who has a better idea (and portable from app to app)? A. -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Sat Sep 8 15:53:34 2012 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2012 13:53:34 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Switchboard In-Reply-To: References: <8716DD25EB1440B3BD07A0FD674AF263@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: TO me the first questions are - 1) what does the app do?, 2) what does the user need out of it in order to do their job. That dictates what buttons are on the main menu. R -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2012 11:20 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Switchboard I'll show you mine if you show me yours, and in case any internet police are reading this, I meant switchboards! I have several versions of the basic switchboard concept, which I would be happy to share with you, and will send them to you privately, The one I'm currently working on is based on code from our lister and guru Jim Dettman, whose code I inherited and began to modify. My last version I also inherited and modified. Both have virtues and limits. But I guess that what I'm after is an answer to the question, "If you don't use a switchboard, how do you map the navigation into your app?" Do you even begin with a switchboard or its equivalent, or do you immediately take the user to the "Do Right Now" list of tasks? Which obviously may vary widely from app to app, but nonetheless there could be an opening form that lists, for example, "Overdue Invoices", "Purchase Orders Unfulfilled" and so on as its top items, followed by general (i.e. time-insensitive) items such as "Maintain Lookup Tables" which leads to a sub-menu of Regions, Cities, Employees etc. Or would you prefer to begin with a list of Customers and drill down from there? Ah! I think that I'm finally beginning to discover the abstract nature of the question I'm asking, which goes much deeper than the most desirable front end: What is the most intuitive hierarchy (not from the developer's perspective, but the user's)? Do Actions lead to Objects and then Events? Or to Events (i.e. Overdue Invoices) lead to actions, and only after that lead to Info Forms such as Customer_Edit_frm? Of course, there must also be a way to get to that form directly, but what I'm attempting to address in this overlong question is this: should one design the interface, whether switchboard or any other presentation model you use, most immediately present the tasks or actions the user is facing upon login? And in the latter case, ought we do dispense with the switchboard as the initial presentation, and instead move right away to the "S**t we have to deal with RFN (if English is not your first language, think about it) list(s), which conceivably could be several subforms on an opening master form, and a double-click on any item in any of the subforms could open a dialog on same detail, and invite an action upon same item? I don't know. I'm groping for your approaches to these questions/approaches. A. -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From tinanfields at torchlake.com Sat Sep 8 16:30:30 2012 From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields) Date: Sat, 08 Sep 2012 17:30:30 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Switchboard In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <504BB8F6.9000704@torchlake.com> I've used the built-in switchboard on a couple of applications. But, one quickly runs into its limitations. So, I am more likely to craft a generic form that I will use for making whatever "switchboards" I will need in that app. That generic form gets things like the thematic colors of the app and the logo if there is one. Each "switchboard" is a copy of that generic form. The main switchboard has buttons on it that take the user to the general category "switchboards," such as the reports switchboard, or the membership information switchboard, or the utilities switchboard. Each switchboard has buttons to do that particular category of tasks, plus buttons to return to the parent or main switchboard. It's pretty reminiscent of the old menus I made with Basic back in the DOS days. T Tina Norris Fields. tinanfields at torchlake.com 231-322-2787 On 9/8/2012 12:04 PM, Arthur Fuller wrote: > How many of you still use the Access switchboard as your startup form? The > reason I ask is that I have several alternatives, but before offering them > for public consumption, I would like to know how many of you use this > wizard in the apps you deploy? > From marksimms at verizon.net Sat Sep 8 16:31:37 2012 From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms) Date: Sat, 08 Sep 2012 17:31:37 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Switchboard In-Reply-To: References: <8716DD25EB1440B3BD07A0FD674AF263@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: <003001cd8e09$5468b310$fd3a1930$@net> Moved all office apps (Access, Excel) to the Ribbon. Tried several Ribbon creator products....all came with grief....then moved to Albert Kallal's Ribbonclass.... And never looked back. I use Visual Slickedit to modify the XML. From michael at mattysconsulting.com Sat Sep 8 20:10:27 2012 From: michael at mattysconsulting.com (Michael Mattys) Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2012 21:10:27 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Windows 7: run access as administrator In-Reply-To: <504B998B.9080905@colbyconsulting.com> References: <504B998B.9080905@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <00ea01cd8e27$e71b7ee0$b5527ca0$@mattysconsulting.com> Actually, that's the reverse of the reported solution. I suspect that you performed this same operation at an earlier date and it was reversed somehow by a registry script - meaning turning it off now has actually turned it back on. Michael R Mattys Mattys Consulting, LLC www.mattysconsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2012 3:16 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: [AccessD] Windows 7: run access as administrator I was getting a constant "Allow this application to make changes?" message when opening ANY specific access databases, i.e. the shortcut telling Access to open FE_XYZ. This thing has been annoying me since I started running Windows 7 and pinning specific databases on the task bar. Today I found the answer. Access.exe (in Program files (x86) ) has a property called "run as administrator" which was checked, how I do not know. I unchecked that and voila, no more harassment when opening a database. I have the same issue opening spreadsheets etc. I suspect the answer will be the same, unchecking that property for Excel.exe. -- John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jimdettman at verizon.net Sun Sep 9 17:23:40 2012 From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman) Date: Sun, 09 Sep 2012 18:23:40 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Switchboard In-Reply-To: References: <8716DD25EB1440B3BD07A0FD674AF263@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: Arthur, <> Actually, I'm not the author of that one. I cleaned it up quite a bit, but that was about it. I have a three panel version of the one you have, which I did author, but the 3 panel concept is not mine. I have seen both those style of menus done as Tree View controls. My own original menu you haven't seen. If was a single panel of 10 items. You could have up to 10 panels (pages) on a level. Any item could lead to another menu level or reference an object or process. Last two items on the panel allowed you to move back up a menu level or straight back to the main level. I can send it along if you want to see another alternative, but it's old and outdated. There are better interfaces out there today. For example, almost every menu system today allows a user to place their own items in a favorites or shortcut list. Jim. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2012 02:20 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Switchboard I'll show you mine if you show me yours, and in case any internet police are reading this, I meant switchboards! I have several versions of the basic switchboard concept, which I would be happy to share with you, and will send them to you privately, The one I'm currently working on is based on code from our lister and guru Jim Dettman, whose code I inherited and began to modify. My last version I also inherited and modified. Both have virtues and limits. But I guess that what I'm after is an answer to the question, "If you don't use a switchboard, how do you map the navigation into your app?" Do you even begin with a switchboard or its equivalent, or do you immediately take the user to the "Do Right Now" list of tasks? Which obviously may vary widely from app to app, but nonetheless there could be an opening form that lists, for example, "Overdue Invoices", "Purchase Orders Unfulfilled" and so on as its top items, followed by general (i.e. time-insensitive) items such as "Maintain Lookup Tables" which leads to a sub-menu of Regions, Cities, Employees etc. Or would you prefer to begin with a list of Customers and drill down from there? Ah! I think that I'm finally beginning to discover the abstract nature of the question I'm asking, which goes much deeper than the most desirable front end: What is the most intuitive hierarchy (not from the developer's perspective, but the user's)? Do Actions lead to Objects and then Events? Or to Events (i.e. Overdue Invoices) lead to actions, and only after that lead to Info Forms such as Customer_Edit_frm? Of course, there must also be a way to get to that form directly, but what I'm attempting to address in this overlong question is this: should one design the interface, whether switchboard or any other presentation model you use, most immediately present the tasks or actions the user is facing upon login? And in the latter case, ought we do dispense with the switchboard as the initial presentation, and instead move right away to the "S**t we have to deal with RFN (if English is not your first language, think about it) list(s), which conceivably could be several subforms on an opening master form, and a double-click on any item in any of the subforms could open a dialog on same detail, and invite an action upon same item? I don't know. I'm groping for your approaches to these questions/approaches. A. -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From davidmcafee at gmail.com Mon Sep 10 11:10:31 2012 From: davidmcafee at gmail.com (David McAfee) Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2012 09:10:31 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Switchboard In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I really don't use them. As others on here, I usually make my own menu screens. I did use one in an ADP not too long ago. I was converting another coworkers mdb over to SQL and decided to carry over the switchboard table and menu. I had to make a small change, I think I called a view instead of the table, but I might be wrong. Then again, I might have did that to deal with the new column I added "RequiredRole". If a menu option should only be visible to a certain role, then that role name is added to the table record. I also don't use the switchboard manager to add/edit menu items. I simply add/edit the table record when needed. The thing that I don't like about switchboards is when I add a new screen, I have to remember to wait until the end of the day to add the menu item. If I don't people may see the new item listed and the screen won't exist on their FE yet. HTH David McAfee On Sat, Sep 8, 2012 at 9:04 AM, Arthur Fuller wrote: > How many of you still use the Access switchboard as your startup form? The > reason I ask is that I have several alternatives, but before offering them > for public consumption, I would like to know how many of you use this > wizard in the apps you deploy? > > -- > Arthur > Cell: 647.710.1314 > > "If you claim to have a theory that deduces unexpected consequences from > nontrivial principles, let's see it." > > -- Noam Chomsky , > Propaganda > and the Public Mind > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From BradM at blackforestltd.com Mon Sep 10 13:23:25 2012 From: BradM at blackforestltd.com (Brad Marks) Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2012 13:23:25 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Switchboard References: <8716DD25EB1440B3BD07A0FD674AF263@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: Charlotte, Could you elaborate on your "garbage disposal called CleanAll" that you mentioned when writing about Switchboards? Thanks, Brad -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2012 2:27 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Switchboard My apps have a distinct mission, they aren't general purpose. So I use a "menu" form as a navigation tool to the distinct features of the particular app. I'm at the end of my current contract, and the last app I built won't be deployed, but I did a couple of experimental things in it to try to approximate some of the stuff I've done in dot net. That app contains about 26 forms and 11 subforms, which all get displayed on one of three tabbed interfaces selected from the menu. It would have been more efficient and would have been faster if built unbound using ADO, but this was one of those projects where the requirements were being extracted with dental forceps right up to the end, . One experiment was to simulate nested tab controls, which is messy in design view, but works like a charm at run time. Another was a user-defined system form which is opened hidden by any form if it isn't already opened. The hidden form serves as the control tower for the application. I keeps track of the current open form (parents and popups) in an in-memory list so that when a popup (not a dialog) closes, the application can step back to the appropriate location.It also keeps track of the currently selected primary keys for the application, which in this case was MbrID, CaseID, and RequestID--all autonumbers. The hidden form is a substitute for what I've done in dot net with a creatable class object. The various forms and subforms are all bound to a custon form class and part of their code sets up an event sink on the control tower form, so every one of them can retrieve the current member, case, and/or member request at any time. The custom form class sinks the individual form that initializes it. I created a HasParent routine in the class because most of the subforms were built to perform as popup forms as well, and some actions aren't appropriate when they're loaded as subforms. The TakeBackFocus routine tells the control tower to retrieve the previous form from its list and make that the current form. The class handles some of the garbage cleanup as well as containing standardized confirmation messages for discarding on editing or cancelling invalid records. And I have one lone macro, Auto_Close, which calls a garbage disposal called CleanAll that makes sure any memory resident forms, reports, etc. are shut down, just in case. The same routine is called when you close the menu form, but I like insurance. My contract ends in two weeks, so I'll never finish the app for the company, but I'm going to continue playing with the concepts. Charlotte On Sat, Sep 8, 2012 at 11:20 AM, Arthur Fuller wrote: > I'll show you mine if you show me yours, and in case any internet police > are reading this, I meant switchboards! > > I have several versions of the basic switchboard concept, which I would be > happy to share with you, and will send them to you privately, The one I'm > currently working on is based on code from our lister and guru Jim Dettman, > whose code I inherited and began to modify. My last version I also > inherited and modified. Both have virtues and limits. > > But I guess that what I'm after is an answer to the question, "If you don't > use a switchboard, how do you map the navigation into your app?" Do you > even begin with a switchboard or its equivalent, or do you immediately take > the user to the "Do Right Now" list of tasks? Which obviously may vary > widely from app to app, but nonetheless there could be an opening form that > lists, for example, "Overdue Invoices", "Purchase Orders Unfulfilled" and > so on as its top items, followed by general (i.e. time-insensitive) items > such as "Maintain Lookup Tables" which leads to a sub-menu of Regions, > Cities, Employees etc. > > Or would you prefer to begin with a list of Customers and drill down from > there? Ah! I think that I'm finally beginning to discover the abstract > nature of the question I'm asking, which goes much deeper than the most > desirable front end: What is the most intuitive hierarchy (not from the > developer's perspective, but the user's)? Do Actions lead to Objects and > then Events? Or to Events (i.e. Overdue Invoices) lead to actions, and only > after that lead to Info Forms such as Customer_Edit_frm? Of course, there > must also be a way to get to that form directly, but what I'm attempting to > address in this overlong question is this: should one design the interface, > whether switchboard or any other presentation model you use, most > immediately present the tasks or actions the user is facing upon login? And > in the latter case, ought we do dispense with the switchboard as the > initial presentation, and instead move right away to the "S**t we have to > deal with RFN (if English is not your first language, think about it) > list(s), which conceivably could be several subforms on an opening master > form, and a double-click on any item in any of the subforms could open a > dialog on same detail, and invite an action upon same item? > > I don't know. I'm groping for your approaches to these > questions/approaches. > > A. > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au Mon Sep 10 19:22:35 2012 From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 00:22:35 +0000 Subject: [AccessD] A2010 and export to XL as .xlsb Message-ID: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B52501643A@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com> Hi guys, Was exporting a query as an .xlsb and Access really didn't like it. Took a few seconds as an .xlsx, but doesn't happen at all with xlsb. Odd.... Anyone else get this / seen this? Darryl Collins Whittle Consulting Pty Ltd Suite 8, 660 Canterbury Rd Surrey Hills, VIC, 3127 p: +61 3 9898 3242 m: +61 418 381 548 f: +61 3 9898 1855 e: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au w: www.whittleconsulting.com.au From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Mon Sep 10 19:25:34 2012 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2012 17:25:34 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] What I Wish Message-ID: I wish that when I copied a control from one form to another, all the event modules would come along as well. Rocky From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au Mon Sep 10 19:36:05 2012 From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 00:36:05 +0000 Subject: [AccessD] What I Wish In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B52501646E@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com> I think the MZ tools VBE addin can do that... IIRC (?) been a while.. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: Tuesday, 11 September 2012 10:26 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: [AccessD] What I Wish I wish that when I copied a control from one form to another, all the event modules would come along as well. Rocky -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Mon Sep 10 20:18:24 2012 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2012 21:18:24 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] What I Wish In-Reply-To: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B52501646E@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com> References: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B52501646E@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com> Message-ID: To paraphrase the current president, "Yes It Can!" Lol. But sadly, MZ has forced me into a position of double-loading every app, so in 2003 I can use MZ and then open same in 2007+, where it is not supported. PITA. Apparently the author of MZ has lost interest in our baby, but perhaps there's an opportunity for a few of us to port the concepts to more recent versions, and thus eliminate the double-load problem. I for one certainly lack the skills to duplicate his entire function-set, but I think I do know how to accomplish one or two of his feats. What I really think is that since he has abandoned us, he ought to be a good sport and donate the code to a project that the Access-faithful could join and tackle as a group. That would be a very nice departing gesture. A. On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 8:36 PM, Darryl Collins < darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au> wrote: > I think the MZ tools VBE addin can do that... IIRC (?) been a while.. > > > From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Mon Sep 10 20:44:33 2012 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2012 21:44:33 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] What I Wish In-Reply-To: References: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B52501646E@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com> Message-ID: <504E9781.2040601@colbyconsulting.com> I think he still makes money on it. John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it On 9/10/2012 9:18 PM, Arthur Fuller wrote: > To paraphrase the current president, "Yes It Can!" Lol. But sadly, MZ has > forced me into a position of double-loading every app, so in 2003 I can use > MZ and then open same in 2007+, where it is not supported. PITA. > > Apparently the author of MZ has lost interest in our baby, but perhaps > there's an opportunity for a few of us to port the concepts to more recent > versions, and thus eliminate the double-load problem. I for one certainly > lack the skills to duplicate his entire function-set, but I think I do know > how to accomplish one or two of his feats. > > What I really think is that since he has abandoned us, he ought to be a > good sport and donate the code to a project that the Access-faithful could > join and tackle as a group. That would be a very nice departing gesture. > > A. > > On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 8:36 PM, Darryl Collins < > darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au> wrote: > >> I think the MZ tools VBE addin can do that... IIRC (?) been a while.. >> >> >> From df.waters at comcast.net Mon Sep 10 21:01:01 2012 From: df.waters at comcast.net (Dan Waters) Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2012 21:01:01 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] What I Wish In-Reply-To: <504E9781.2040601@colbyconsulting.com> References: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B52501646E@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com> <504E9781.2040601@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <002101cd8fc1$4b617270$e2245750$@comcast.net> He's charging for the .Net version, but the VBA version is free. I just paid for version 7 of the .Net version. Dan -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: Monday, September 10, 2012 8:45 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] What I Wish I think he still makes money on it. John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it On 9/10/2012 9:18 PM, Arthur Fuller wrote: > To paraphrase the current president, "Yes It Can!" Lol. But sadly, MZ > has forced me into a position of double-loading every app, so in 2003 > I can use MZ and then open same in 2007+, where it is not supported. PITA. > > Apparently the author of MZ has lost interest in our baby, but perhaps > there's an opportunity for a few of us to port the concepts to more > recent versions, and thus eliminate the double-load problem. I for one > certainly lack the skills to duplicate his entire function-set, but I > think I do know how to accomplish one or two of his feats. > > What I really think is that since he has abandoned us, he ought to be > a good sport and donate the code to a project that the Access-faithful > could join and tackle as a group. That would be a very nice departing gesture. > > A. > > On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 8:36 PM, Darryl Collins < > darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au> wrote: > >> I think the MZ tools VBE addin can do that... IIRC (?) been a while.. >> >> >> -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Mon Sep 10 21:52:48 2012 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2012 22:52:48 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] What I Wish In-Reply-To: <002101cd8fc1$4b617270$e2245750$@comcast.net> References: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B52501646E@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com> <504E9781.2040601@colbyconsulting.com> <002101cd8fc1$4b617270$e2245750$@comcast.net> Message-ID: <504EA780.2050101@colbyconsulting.com> It is free but he requests donations. I paid for the "free" vba version. John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it On 9/10/2012 10:01 PM, Dan Waters wrote: > He's charging for the .Net version, but the VBA version is free. > > I just paid for version 7 of the .Net version. > > Dan > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby > Sent: Monday, September 10, 2012 8:45 PM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] What I Wish > > I think he still makes money on it. > > John W. Colby > Colby Consulting > > Reality is what refuses to go away > when you do not believe in it > > On 9/10/2012 9:18 PM, Arthur Fuller wrote: >> To paraphrase the current president, "Yes It Can!" Lol. But sadly, MZ >> has forced me into a position of double-loading every app, so in 2003 >> I can use MZ and then open same in 2007+, where it is not supported. PITA. >> >> Apparently the author of MZ has lost interest in our baby, but perhaps >> there's an opportunity for a few of us to port the concepts to more >> recent versions, and thus eliminate the double-load problem. I for one >> certainly lack the skills to duplicate his entire function-set, but I >> think I do know how to accomplish one or two of his feats. >> >> What I really think is that since he has abandoned us, he ought to be >> a good sport and donate the code to a project that the Access-faithful >> could join and tackle as a group. That would be a very nice departing > gesture. >> >> A. >> >> On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 8:36 PM, Darryl Collins < >> darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au> wrote: >> >>> I think the MZ tools VBE addin can do that... IIRC (?) been a while.. >>> >>> >>> > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From charlotte.foust at gmail.com Mon Sep 10 23:52:22 2012 From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust) Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2012 21:52:22 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] What I Wish In-Reply-To: References: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B52501646E@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com> Message-ID: MZ-Tools works in 2007 and 2010. It hasn't been updated since 2003 version, but it works just fine. I use it all the time. Charlotte On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 6:18 PM, Arthur Fuller wrote: > To paraphrase the current president, "Yes It Can!" Lol. But sadly, MZ has > forced me into a position of double-loading every app, so in 2003 I can use > MZ and then open same in 2007+, where it is not supported. PITA. > > Apparently the author of MZ has lost interest in our baby, but perhaps > there's an opportunity for a few of us to port the concepts to more recent > versions, and thus eliminate the double-load problem. I for one certainly > lack the skills to duplicate his entire function-set, but I think I do know > how to accomplish one or two of his feats. > > What I really think is that since he has abandoned us, he ought to be a > good sport and donate the code to a project that the Access-faithful could > join and tackle as a group. That would be a very nice departing gesture. > > A. > > On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 8:36 PM, Darryl Collins < > darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au> wrote: > > > I think the MZ tools VBE addin can do that... IIRC (?) been a while.. > > > > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > From charlotte.foust at gmail.com Mon Sep 10 23:54:03 2012 From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust) Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2012 21:54:03 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] A2010 and export to XL as .xlsb In-Reply-To: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B52501643A@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com> References: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B52501643A@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com> Message-ID: Darryl, I'm not even sure what an .xlsb file is for. Why were you exporting to that particular format? Charlotte On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 5:22 PM, Darryl Collins < darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au> wrote: > Hi guys, > > Was exporting a query as an .xlsb and Access really didn't like it. Took > a few seconds as an .xlsx, but doesn't happen at all with xlsb. Odd.... > Anyone else get this / seen this? > > Darryl Collins > Whittle Consulting Pty Ltd > Suite 8, 660 Canterbury Rd > Surrey Hills, VIC, 3127 > > p: +61 3 9898 3242 > m: +61 418 381 548 > f: +61 3 9898 1855 > e: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au > w: www.whittleconsulting.com.au > > > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au Tue Sep 11 01:32:45 2012 From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 06:32:45 +0000 Subject: [AccessD] A2010 and export to XL as .xlsb In-Reply-To: References: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B52501643A@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com> Message-ID: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B5250166DB@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com> Hi Charlotte .xlsb is the binary format for XL2010/2007. It supports VBA like an xlsm - it has huge advantages as it saves files much smaller/faster than .xlsx or .xlsm (a saving of 50%+ is usual) and the workbook is much more responsive with open / close / save etc. Saving Excel files using .xlsb (binary) will give you the best response speeds and smallest file size. Charles Williams is the guy who runs "Fast Excel" and co-wrote the "Name Manager" Add-in amongst others has run some tests and determined (on average) that .xlsx formatted files load 4 times slower than .xlsb; save 2 times slower and has 1.5 times a bigger file size upon save. These figures are very consistent with the sort of behaviour have experienced. A UK based Excel MVP I talk with from time to time also confirmed: "In my experience xlsb is faster than xlsx and xlsm to load and save, and in many cases the file sizes are considerably smaller. I have one file which was over 40MB as an xls, a little under 30MB as an xlsx and only 15MB as an xlsb. It's a lot faster to open as an xlsb too. I have certainly had fewer problems with my personal macro workbook since I converted it to an xlsb rather than xlsm. Functionally there is no difference - it's merely a question of how they are stored (all are compressed, but the xlsb folder contains binaries rather than XML). The primary purpose of the xlsx (and xlsm to some extent) formats was to make the structure 'open' - i.e. you can read them with a simple text editor or anything that understands XML. XLSB obviously you can't really do that. I'm not generally worried about that so I tend to save as xlsb." The performance advantage is considerable. 1.5 times smaller, 4 x faster on open etc... Provided you can leave the XLM format behind (some EU places have legals about this, which is at least part of the reason for the XML code to start with) I find it is well worth it. I guess the only other 'gotcha' maybe that some folks will see .xlsb and wonder what the hell is it - My Mum would probably delete it thinking it must be a virus for example ;) ... Cheers Darryl. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust Sent: Tuesday, 11 September 2012 2:54 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2010 and export to XL as .xlsb Darryl, I'm not even sure what an .xlsb file is for. Why were you exporting to that particular format? Charlotte On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 5:22 PM, Darryl Collins < darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au> wrote: > Hi guys, > > Was exporting a query as an .xlsb and Access really didn't like it. > Took a few seconds as an .xlsx, but doesn't happen at all with xlsb. Odd.... > Anyone else get this / seen this? > > Darryl Collins > Whittle Consulting Pty Ltd > Suite 8, 660 Canterbury Rd > Surrey Hills, VIC, 3127 > > p: +61 3 9898 3242 > m: +61 418 381 548 > f: +61 3 9898 1855 > e: > darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au > > w: www.whittleconsulting.com.au > > > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Tue Sep 11 06:24:58 2012 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 07:24:58 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] What I Wish In-Reply-To: References: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B52501646E@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com> Message-ID: Oh, Charlotte! Thanks to your gentle kick in the forehead, I suddenly remembered why I had the problem! It doesn't work in 64-bit. Maybe I should set up a dual-boot, one for 32-bit, just so I can use it again. A. On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 12:52 AM, Charlotte Foust wrote: > MZ-Tools works in 2007 and 2010. It hasn't been updated since 2003 > version, but it works just fine. I use it all the time. > > Charlotte > > From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Tue Sep 11 09:03:14 2012 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 10:03:14 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] What I Wish In-Reply-To: References: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B52501646E@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com> Message-ID: <504F44A2.4090309@colbyconsulting.com> Is a client demanding Office x64? Due to all of the issues, very few people use it and I actively recommend against it. John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it On 9/11/2012 7:24 AM, Arthur Fuller wrote: > Oh, Charlotte! Thanks to your gentle kick in the forehead, I suddenly > remembered why I had the problem! It doesn't work in 64-bit. Maybe I should > set up a dual-boot, one for 32-bit, just so I can use it again. > > A. > > On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 12:52 AM, Charlotte Foust > wrote: > >> MZ-Tools works in 2007 and 2010. It hasn't been updated since 2003 >> version, but it works just fine. I use it all the time. >> >> Charlotte >> >> From charlotte.foust at gmail.com Tue Sep 11 09:37:06 2012 From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 07:37:06 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] What I Wish In-Reply-To: References: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B52501646E@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com> Message-ID: Or drop 64-bit gently in the trash bin? ;-) Charlotte On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 4:24 AM, Arthur Fuller wrote: > Oh, Charlotte! Thanks to your gentle kick in the forehead, I suddenly > remembered why I had the problem! It doesn't work in 64-bit. Maybe I should > set up a dual-boot, one for 32-bit, just so I can use it again. > > A. > > On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 12:52 AM, Charlotte Foust < > charlotte.foust at gmail.com > > wrote: > > > MZ-Tools works in 2007 and 2010. It hasn't been updated since 2003 > > version, but it works just fine. I use it all the time. > > > > Charlotte > > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Tue Sep 11 11:22:21 2012 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 12:22:21 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] What I Wish In-Reply-To: References: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B52501646E@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com> Message-ID: <504F653D.40304@colbyconsulting.com> LOL, why be gentle? Take out your frustrations on it. Kick it to the curb so to speak. John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it On 9/11/2012 10:37 AM, Charlotte Foust wrote: > Or drop 64-bit gently in the trash bin? ;-) > > Charlotte > > On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 4:24 AM, Arthur Fuller wrote: > >> Oh, Charlotte! Thanks to your gentle kick in the forehead, I suddenly >> remembered why I had the problem! It doesn't work in 64-bit. Maybe I should >> set up a dual-boot, one for 32-bit, just so I can use it again. >> >> A. >> >> On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 12:52 AM, Charlotte Foust < >> charlotte.foust at gmail.com >>> wrote: >> >>> MZ-Tools works in 2007 and 2010. It hasn't been updated since 2003 >>> version, but it works just fine. I use it all the time. >>> >>> Charlotte >>> >>> >> -- >> AccessD mailing list >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >> >> >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> >> From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Tue Sep 11 11:44:15 2012 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 12:44:15 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] What I Wish In-Reply-To: References: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B52501646E@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com> Message-ID: <504F6A5F.4040906@colbyconsulting.com> Just for you Arthur! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9yN-6PbqAPM John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it On 9/11/2012 7:24 AM, Arthur Fuller wrote: > Oh, Charlotte! Thanks to your gentle kick in the forehead, I suddenly > remembered why I had the problem! It doesn't work in 64-bit. Maybe I should > set up a dual-boot, one for 32-bit, just so I can use it again. > > A. > > On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 12:52 AM, Charlotte Foust > wrote: > >> MZ-Tools works in 2007 and 2010. It hasn't been updated since 2003 >> version, but it works just fine. I use it all the time. >> >> Charlotte >> >> From vbacreations at gmail.com Tue Sep 11 21:28:15 2012 From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 22:28:15 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] What I Wish In-Reply-To: References: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B52501646E@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com> Message-ID: You mean we dont have to do the code project? Whew! On Sep 11, 2012 7:26 AM, "Arthur Fuller" wrote: > Oh, Charlotte! Thanks to your gentle kick in the forehead, I suddenly > remembered why I had the problem! It doesn't work in 64-bit. Maybe I should > set up a dual-boot, one for 32-bit, just so I can use it again. > > A. > > On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 12:52 AM, Charlotte Foust < > charlotte.foust at gmail.com > > wrote: > > > MZ-Tools works in 2007 and 2010. It hasn't been updated since 2003 > > version, but it works just fine. I use it all the time. > > > > Charlotte > > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From Benson at ge.com Wed Sep 12 09:53:14 2012 From: Benson at ge.com (Benson, William (GE Global Research, consultant)) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2012 14:53:14 +0000 Subject: [AccessD] SQL DEVELOPER question - running a delete query in a loop Message-ID: <93D10F008B998B4A83BCA855A33EEF372C85C747@CINMBCNA01.e2k.ad.ge.com> Hi all, I recently recognized that there was no unique key on a table (sid_user_sites) and duplicates were getting inserted. ------------------------ WHAT I AM AFTER ---------------------------- Is there a means in SQL DEVELOPER to set up a delete query to iterate in a loop until no more records are deleted ------------------------ BACKGROUND ---------------------------- I wrote a poorly designed query which had to be run numerous times. I will show both it, and the improved query, which only had to be run once below. Bear in mind this is just background, I am trying to avoid people writing me telling me how much better the query could have been written - I KNOW THAT AND THAT IS WHY I WROTE IT BETTER. My real, and ONLY question here, is can a query be run in a loop in SQL DEVELOPER. Thanks!! -------------------- ORIGINAL QUERY------------------------- --Has to be run until no more records can be deleted----- delete from sid_user_sites where user_site_id in (select max(user_site_id) from sid_user_sites where user_sso || site_duns_no in ( Select user_SSO || Site_Duns_No from sid_user_sites group by user_SSO || Site_Duns_No having count(user_site_ID) >1 ) group by user_sso, site_duns_no ) ----BETTER QUERY ----------- delete from sid_user_sites where user_site_id not in ( select MinID from ( Select user_sso, site_duns_no, min(user_site_id) MinID from sid_user_sites group by user_sso, site_duns_no ) ) Now, that can probably be made even simpler with a join - at least I think it could in Access... though maybe not Oracle. From RRANTHON at sentara.com Wed Sep 12 10:05:11 2012 From: RRANTHON at sentara.com (RANDALL R ANTHONY) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2012 15:05:11 +0000 Subject: [AccessD] SQL DEVELOPER question - running a delete query in a loop In-Reply-To: <93D10F008B998B4A83BCA855A33EEF372C85C747@CINMBCNA01.e2k.ad.ge.com> References: <93D10F008B998B4A83BCA855A33EEF372C85C747@CINMBCNA01.e2k.ad.ge.com> Message-ID: <201209121505.q8CF5KSc025196@databaseadvisors.com> Try this... SET ROWCOUNT 1 SELECT NULL WHILE @@rowcount > 0 DELETE bob FROM tablename as bob INNER JOIN (SELECT field1, field2 FROM tablename GROUP BY field1, field2 HAVING count(*) > 1) AS c ON c.field1 = bob.field1 AND c.field2 = bob.field2 SET ROWCOUNT 0 -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Benson, William (GE Global Research, consultant) Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2012 10:53 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: [AccessD] SQL DEVELOPER question - running a delete query in a loop Hi all, I recently recognized that there was no unique key on a table (sid_user_sites) and duplicates were getting inserted. ------------------------ WHAT I AM AFTER ---------------------------- Is there a means in SQL DEVELOPER to set up a delete query to iterate in a loop until no more records are deleted ------------------------ BACKGROUND ---------------------------- I wrote a poorly designed query which had to be run numerous times. I will show both it, and the improved query, which only had to be run once below. Bear in mind this is just background, I am trying to avoid people writing me telling me how much better the query could have been written - I KNOW THAT AND THAT IS WHY I WROTE IT BETTER. My real, and ONLY question here, is can a query be run in a loop in SQL DEVELOPER. Thanks!! -------------------- ORIGINAL QUERY------------------------- --Has to be run until no more records can be deleted----- delete from sid_user_sites where user_site_id in (select max(user_site_id) from sid_user_sites where user_sso || site_duns_no in ( Select user_SSO || Site_Duns_No from sid_user_sites group by user_SSO || Site_Duns_No having count(user_site_ID) >1 ) group by user_sso, site_duns_no ) ----BETTER QUERY ----------- delete from sid_user_sites where user_site_id not in ( select MinID from ( Select user_sso, site_duns_no, min(user_site_id) MinID from sid_user_sites group by user_sso, site_duns_no ) ) Now, that can probably be made even simpler with a join - at least I think it could in Access... though maybe not Oracle. -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -------------Disclaimer--------------- This electronic message and its contents and attachments contain information from Sentara Healthcare and is confidential or otherwise protected from disclosure. The information is intended to be for the addressee only. If you are not the addressee, any disclosure, copy, distribution or use of the contents of this message is prohibited. If you have received this electronic message in error, please notify us immediately and destroy the original message and all copies. From Benson at ge.com Wed Sep 12 11:06:32 2012 From: Benson at ge.com (Benson, William (GE Global Research, consultant)) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2012 16:06:32 +0000 Subject: [AccessD] SQL DEVELOPER question - running a delete query in a loop In-Reply-To: <201209121505.q8CF5KSc025196@databaseadvisors.com> References: <93D10F008B998B4A83BCA855A33EEF372C85C747@CINMBCNA01.e2k.ad.ge.com> <201209121505.q8CF5KSc025196@databaseadvisors.com> Message-ID: <93D10F008B998B4A83BCA855A33EEF372C85C892@CINMBCNA01.e2k.ad.ge.com> Randall (or Anthony?) I do not have a development database to try it on. 1) deleting bob ... from TableName as bob. Hmmm... That doesn't make sense to me, I can't risk hurting the table until I can understand the SQL, can you explain it? 2) Can I rollback if I don't like the result Also, now I have a different problem that I did not think I had ... and in fact, I thought his query ran the first time I tried it and NOW it doesn't seem to work: delete from sid_user_sites where user_site_id not in ( select MinID from ( Select user_sso, site_duns_no, min(user_site_id) MinID from sid_user_sites group by user_sso, site_duns_no ) ); It just spins off into space and I have to kill the task. Anything wrong with it? -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of RANDALL R ANTHONY Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2012 11:05 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] SQL DEVELOPER question - running a delete query in a loop Try this... SET ROWCOUNT 1 SELECT NULL WHILE @@rowcount > 0 DELETE bob FROM tablename as bob INNER JOIN (SELECT field1, field2 FROM tablename GROUP BY field1, field2 HAVING count(*) > 1) AS c ON c.field1 = bob.field1 AND c.field2 = bob.field2 SET ROWCOUNT 0 From Benson at ge.com Wed Sep 12 11:19:23 2012 From: Benson at ge.com (Benson, William (GE Global Research, consultant)) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2012 16:19:23 +0000 Subject: [AccessD] SQL DEVELOPER question - running a delete query in a loop In-Reply-To: <93D10F008B998B4A83BCA855A33EEF372C85C892@CINMBCNA01.e2k.ad.ge.com> References: <93D10F008B998B4A83BCA855A33EEF372C85C747@CINMBCNA01.e2k.ad.ge.com> <201209121505.q8CF5KSc025196@databaseadvisors.com> <93D10F008B998B4A83BCA855A33EEF372C85C892@CINMBCNA01.e2k.ad.ge.com> Message-ID: <93D10F008B998B4A83BCA855A33EEF372C85C8AE@CINMBCNA01.e2k.ad.ge.com> Thinking that maybe Oracle doesn't like a subquery, I tried this instead: DROP TABLE BILL_TEMP; CREATE TABLE BILL_TEMP AS (select MinID from ( (Select user_sso, site_duns_no, min(user_site_id) MinID from sid_user_sites group by user_sso, site_duns_no) ) ); --TEMP TABLE CREATED OK.... BUT NEXT QUERY SPINS AND SPINS... delete from sid_user_sites S where not exists (Select MinID from BILL_TEMP Where MinID = S.user_site_id); STILL DOESN'T WORK.... How can I get rid of these stinking records using this approach or similar? -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Benson, William (GE Global Research, consultant) Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2012 12:07 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] SQL DEVELOPER question - running a delete query in a loop Randall (or Anthony?) I do not have a development database to try it on. 1) deleting bob ... from TableName as bob. Hmmm... That doesn't make sense to me, I can't risk hurting the table until I can understand the SQL, can you explain it? 2) Can I rollback if I don't like the result Also, now I have a different problem that I did not think I had ... and in fact, I thought his query ran the first time I tried it and NOW it doesn't seem to work: delete from sid_user_sites where user_site_id not in ( select MinID from ( Select user_sso, site_duns_no, min(user_site_id) MinID from sid_user_sites group by user_sso, site_duns_no ) ); It just spins off into space and I have to kill the task. Anything wrong with it? -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of RANDALL R ANTHONY Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2012 11:05 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] SQL DEVELOPER question - running a delete query in a loop Try this... SET ROWCOUNT 1 SELECT NULL WHILE @@rowcount > 0 DELETE bob FROM tablename as bob INNER JOIN (SELECT field1, field2 FROM tablename GROUP BY field1, field2 HAVING count(*) > 1) AS c ON c.field1 = bob.field1 AND c.field2 = bob.field2 SET ROWCOUNT 0 -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From RRANTHON at sentara.com Wed Sep 12 11:27:48 2012 From: RRANTHON at sentara.com (RANDALL R ANTHONY) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2012 16:27:48 +0000 Subject: [AccessD] SQL DEVELOPER question - running a delete query in a loop In-Reply-To: <93D10F008B998B4A83BCA855A33EEF372C85C892@CINMBCNA01.e2k.ad.ge.com> References: <93D10F008B998B4A83BCA855A33EEF372C85C747@CINMBCNA01.e2k.ad.ge.com> <201209121505.q8CF5KSc025196@databaseadvisors.com> <93D10F008B998B4A83BCA855A33EEF372C85C892@CINMBCNA01.e2k.ad.ge.com> Message-ID: <201209121627.q8CGRu6u011087@databaseadvisors.com> Randy's fine, just don't call me late for supper... 1 - Creates an alias, sort of like a temp table. 2 - No. Haven't used SQL Developer, but I'm assuming you can do a table backup? As for finding the dupes you can use this and write them to a temp table for safe keeping before you run the delete. select field1, field* from tablename group by fieldthasdupevalue having count(*) > 1 -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Benson, William (GE Global Research, consultant) Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2012 12:07 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] SQL DEVELOPER question - running a delete query in a loop Randall (or Anthony?) I do not have a development database to try it on. 1) deleting bob ... from TableName as bob. Hmmm... That doesn't make sense to me, I can't risk hurting the table until I can understand the SQL, can you explain it? 2) Can I rollback if I don't like the result Also, now I have a different problem that I did not think I had ... and in fact, I thought his query ran the first time I tried it and NOW it doesn't seem to work: delete from sid_user_sites where user_site_id not in ( select MinID from ( Select user_sso, site_duns_no, min(user_site_id) MinID from sid_user_sites group by user_sso, site_duns_no ) ); It just spins off into space and I have to kill the task. Anything wrong with it? -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of RANDALL R ANTHONY Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2012 11:05 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] SQL DEVELOPER question - running a delete query in a loop Try this... SET ROWCOUNT 1 SELECT NULL WHILE @@rowcount > 0 DELETE bob FROM tablename as bob INNER JOIN (SELECT field1, field2 FROM tablename GROUP BY field1, field2 HAVING count(*) > 1) AS c ON c.field1 = bob.field1 AND c.field2 = bob.field2 SET ROWCOUNT 0 -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -------------Disclaimer--------------- This electronic message and its contents and attachments contain information from Sentara Healthcare and is confidential or otherwise protected from disclosure. The information is intended to be for the addressee only. If you are not the addressee, any disclosure, copy, distribution or use of the contents of this message is prohibited. If you have received this electronic message in error, please notify us immediately and destroy the original message and all copies. From Benson at ge.com Wed Sep 12 12:07:52 2012 From: Benson at ge.com (Benson, William (GE Global Research, consultant)) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2012 17:07:52 +0000 Subject: [AccessD] SQL DEVELOPER question - running a delete query in a loop In-Reply-To: <201209121627.q8CGRu6u011087@databaseadvisors.com> References: <93D10F008B998B4A83BCA855A33EEF372C85C747@CINMBCNA01.e2k.ad.ge.com> <201209121505.q8CF5KSc025196@databaseadvisors.com> <93D10F008B998B4A83BCA855A33EEF372C85C892@CINMBCNA01.e2k.ad.ge.com> <201209121627.q8CGRu6u011087@databaseadvisors.com> Message-ID: <93D10F008B998B4A83BCA855A33EEF372C85C8F0@CINMBCNA01.e2k.ad.ge.com> HA... Now both of these work fine: I... am.... going ... crazy .... The one I thought worked before, then delays started happening, and now works again: Delete from sid_user_sites where user_site_id not in ( select MinID from ( Select user_sso, site_duns_no, min(user_site_id) MinID from sid_user_sites group by user_sso, site_duns_no ) ); And this one which I found on the net: http://viralpatel.net/blogs/deleting-duplicate-rows-in-oracle/ DELETE FROM sid_user_sites t WHERE t.ROWID NOT IN (SELECT MIN (b.ROWID) FROM sid_user_sites b WHERE b.user_sso = t.user_sso AND b.site_duns_no = t.site_duns_no ); From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Wed Sep 12 12:19:14 2012 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2012 13:19:14 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Dropbox for Access distribution Message-ID: <5050C412.1070303@colbyconsulting.com> Has anyone tried using Dropbox to distribute Access FEs or libraries to remote clients? It seems like one could set up a dropbox directory on the remote machine and a batch file or other system which copies the files to the run location and then opens the database. Similar to what I do on a network where the batch file copies from the server to the run location. -- John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it From accessd at shaw.ca Wed Sep 12 12:55:50 2012 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2012 10:55:50 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Dropbox for Access distribution In-Reply-To: <5050C412.1070303@colbyconsulting.com> References: <5050C412.1070303@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <8907F1A97DEA461CBD28024215B526B9@creativesystemdesigns.com> Interesting. Keep me posted. Jim -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2012 10:19 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: [AccessD] Dropbox for Access distribution Has anyone tried using Dropbox to distribute Access FEs or libraries to remote clients? It seems like one could set up a dropbox directory on the remote machine and a batch file or other system which copies the files to the run location and then opens the database. Similar to what I do on a network where the batch file copies from the server to the run location. -- John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Benson at ge.com Wed Sep 12 13:07:13 2012 From: Benson at ge.com (Benson, William (GE Global Research, consultant)) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2012 18:07:13 +0000 Subject: [AccessD] Unstable Oracle Connection Message-ID: <93D10F008B998B4A83BCA855A33EEF372C85C99B@CINMBCNA01.e2k.ad.ge.com> ADO question... I *thought* I was testing enough when I test that the connection string is of a certain form, and that the connection state = 1. Somehow those tests are still passed for my global connection object but I cannot open a recordset. This situation happens when I get dropped from the VPN. Once I log in again, and re-set my global connection variable, things are cool. However, I am left wondering what are the right tests to ensure I don't wrongly conclude I have a valid connection? Can someone advise what to do in the OpenConnection function below? Don't get too hung up in my inefficient means of testing whether the databaseprovider is a correct string, I am more concerned with discovering a test which will FAIL when I am not going to be able to open a recordset with this connection. If Not Openconnection Then MsgBox "Cannot create a connection to " & [databaseprovider] & "." Exit Sub Else Set oRS = New ADODB.Recordset oRS.Open SQL, g_Conn, adOpenDynamic, adLockOptimistic End If Option Explicit Public g_Conn As ADODB.Connection Function Openconnection() As Boolean Dim strProvider As String Dim strTest As String Dim strDS As String Dim strUser As String Dim strConnection As String Dim strTrunc As String Dim i As Long Dim bConnectionParsable As Boolean Dim S As String 'Databaseprovider Dim U As String 'UserID S = [databaseprovider] U = [UserId] TryIt: If Not g_Conn Is Nothing Then strConnection = g_Conn.ConnectionString If strConnection <> "" Then '''''******************************************************************* 'I DECIDED TO MAKE SURE THE PROVIDER COULD BE PARSED FROM CONNECTIONSTRING 'g_conn.connectionstring will have a value like Provider=MSDAORA.1;User ID=solarconnect;Data Source=CDSPRD10; 'DatabaseProvider is a named range with value like Provider=msdaora;Data Source=CDSPRD10 '''''******************************************************************* If Right(strConnection, 1) = ";" Then strConnection = Left(strConnection, Len(strConnection) - 1) End If strDS = UCase(Right(strConnection, Len(strConnection) - InStrRev(strConnection, ";"))) strTrunc = Left(strConnection, Len(strConnection) - Len(strDS) - 1) strUser = UCase(Mid(strTrunc, InStrRev(strTrunc, ";") + 1)) If UCase(Mid(S, InStrRev(S, ";") + 1)) = strDS And _ strUser = "USER ID=" & UCase(U) Then bConnectionParsable = True End If End If End If '''''******************************************************************* If bConnectionParsable Then If g_Conn.State <> 0 Then Openconnection = True End If Else i = i + 1 Set g_Conn = Nothing Set g_Conn = New ADODB.Connection changeDatabase If i < 3 Then GoTo TryIt End If End If End Function From dbdoug at gmail.com Wed Sep 12 13:25:04 2012 From: dbdoug at gmail.com (Doug Steele) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2012 11:25:04 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Dropbox for Access distribution In-Reply-To: <8907F1A97DEA461CBD28024215B526B9@creativesystemdesigns.com> References: <5050C412.1070303@colbyconsulting.com> <8907F1A97DEA461CBD28024215B526B9@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: I have three clients using Dropbox. For various reasons they are all different. They all set up a shared Dropbox folder on one of their computers, which I can access from my computer. Client 1. Their folder is just used as a convenient drop. I copy a new version of the FE to the shared folder, notify them, and they install it manually on their network. Client 2. Windows Server. I copy the new version of the FE to my shared folder and when a client machine opens the FE it checks for a new version and installs it automatically. This works very well except for the odd time when Access goes corrupt and everyone gets a bad version (happened this morning)! Client 3. Linux based file server. I tried to automate installation similar to Client 2, but had permissions problems with the file server (their network guy was no help) and it won't let me auto-copy files from the shared folder on the client computer. So installs are done manually. Doug On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 10:55 AM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > Interesting. Keep me posted. > > Jim > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby > Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2012 10:19 AM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: [AccessD] Dropbox for Access distribution > > Has anyone tried using Dropbox to distribute Access FEs or libraries to > remote clients? > > It seems like one could set up a dropbox directory on the remote machine and > a batch file or other > system which copies the files to the run location and then opens the > database. Similar to what I do > on a network where the batch file copies from the server to the run > location. > > -- > John W. Colby > Colby Consulting > > Reality is what refuses to go away > when you do not believe in it > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From BradM at blackforestltd.com Wed Sep 12 14:06:56 2012 From: BradM at blackforestltd.com (Brad Marks) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2012 14:06:56 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Dropbox for Access distribution References: <5050C412.1070303@colbyconsulting.com><8907F1A97DEA461CBD28024215B526B9@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: Doug, In your note about Client 2, you mentioned "This works very well except for the odd time when Access goes corrupt" I would like to learn more about this issue of "going corrupt". What causes it? How to fix it? What can be done to prevent it? Etc. Thanks, Brad -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Doug Steele Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2012 1:25 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Dropbox for Access distribution I have three clients using Dropbox. For various reasons they are all different. They all set up a shared Dropbox folder on one of their computers, which I can access from my computer. Client 1. Their folder is just used as a convenient drop. I copy a new version of the FE to the shared folder, notify them, and they install it manually on their network. Client 2. Windows Server. I copy the new version of the FE to my shared folder and when a client machine opens the FE it checks for a new version and installs it automatically. This works very well except for the odd time when Access goes corrupt and everyone gets a bad version (happened this morning)! Client 3. Linux based file server. I tried to automate installation similar to Client 2, but had permissions problems with the file server (their network guy was no help) and it won't let me auto-copy files from the shared folder on the client computer. So installs are done manually. Doug On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 10:55 AM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > Interesting. Keep me posted. > > Jim > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby > Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2012 10:19 AM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: [AccessD] Dropbox for Access distribution > > Has anyone tried using Dropbox to distribute Access FEs or libraries to > remote clients? > > It seems like one could set up a dropbox directory on the remote machine and > a batch file or other > system which copies the files to the run location and then opens the > database. Similar to what I do > on a network where the batch file copies from the server to the run > location. > > -- > John W. Colby > Colby Consulting > > Reality is what refuses to go away > when you do not believe in it > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. From dbdoug at gmail.com Wed Sep 12 14:26:20 2012 From: dbdoug at gmail.com (Doug Steele) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2012 12:26:20 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Dropbox for Access distribution In-Reply-To: References: <5050C412.1070303@colbyconsulting.com> <8907F1A97DEA461CBD28024215B526B9@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 12:06 PM, Brad Marks wrote: > Doug, > > In your note about Client 2, you mentioned "This works very well except > for the odd time when Access goes corrupt" I would like to learn more about this issue of "going corrupt". 1. What causes it? Random fluctuations in the magnetic field of Venus. 2. How to fix it? If a decompile/recompile doesn't work, pray that you have a backup and can re-create your latest changes. 3. What can be done to prevent it? Swing a lizard around your head three times during a full moon. Unfortunately, this only protects you for 2 minutes. Sorry, couldn't resist. If you could answer questions 1 and 3 you would get rich very quickly. Doug > I would like to learn more about this issue of "going corrupt". > > What causes it? > > How to fix it? > > What can be done to prevent it? > > Etc. > > Thanks, > Brad > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Doug Steele > Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2012 1:25 PM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Dropbox for Access distribution > > I have three clients using Dropbox. For various reasons they are all > different. They all set up a shared Dropbox folder on one of their > computers, which I can access from my computer. > > Client 1. Their folder is just used as a convenient drop. I copy a > new version of the FE to the shared folder, notify them, and they > install it manually on their network. > Client 2. Windows Server. I copy the new version of the FE to my > shared folder and when a client machine opens the FE it checks for a > new version and installs it automatically. This works very well > except for the odd time when Access goes corrupt and everyone gets a > bad version (happened this morning)! > Client 3. Linux based file server. I tried to automate installation > similar to Client 2, but had permissions problems with the file server > (their network guy was no help) and it won't let me auto-copy files > from the shared folder on the client computer. So installs are done > manually. > > Doug > > > On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 10:55 AM, Jim Lawrence wrote: >> Interesting. Keep me posted. >> >> Jim >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby >> Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2012 10:19 AM >> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving >> Subject: [AccessD] Dropbox for Access distribution >> >> Has anyone tried using Dropbox to distribute Access FEs or libraries > to >> remote clients? >> >> It seems like one could set up a dropbox directory on the remote > machine and >> a batch file or other >> system which copies the files to the run location and then opens the >> database. Similar to what I do >> on a network where the batch file copies from the server to the run >> location. >> >> -- >> John W. Colby >> Colby Consulting >> >> Reality is what refuses to go away >> when you do not believe in it >> >> -- >> AccessD mailing list >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> -- >> AccessD mailing list >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is > believed to be clean. > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From BradM at blackforestltd.com Wed Sep 12 14:36:15 2012 From: BradM at blackforestltd.com (Brad Marks) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2012 14:36:15 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Dropbox for Access distribution References: <5050C412.1070303@colbyconsulting.com><8907F1A97DEA461CBD28024215B526B9@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: Doug, I just put in an order for a bunch of lizards as this seems like the best route to take :-) Seriously, I have a small Access 2007 application that is distributed to a number of users' "C" drives. For months, everything was working fine on all PCs. Many versions of the application were released with no problem. This week, one of the PCs (Vice President of Sales) started having problems with the Access application. I can easily fix it by refreshing the copy of the application on this PC. I am just very curious as to what is causing this. Thanks for your insights and humor. Brad PS. The VP of Sales has a small rubber model of a PC that she pushes needles into on a regular basis... perhaps this is playing a role :-) -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Doug Steele Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2012 2:26 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Dropbox for Access distribution On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 12:06 PM, Brad Marks wrote: > Doug, > > In your note about Client 2, you mentioned "This works very well except > for the odd time when Access goes corrupt" I would like to learn more about this issue of "going corrupt". 1. What causes it? Random fluctuations in the magnetic field of Venus. 2. How to fix it? If a decompile/recompile doesn't work, pray that you have a backup and can re-create your latest changes. 3. What can be done to prevent it? Swing a lizard around your head three times during a full moon. Unfortunately, this only protects you for 2 minutes. Sorry, couldn't resist. If you could answer questions 1 and 3 you would get rich very quickly. Doug > I would like to learn more about this issue of "going corrupt". > > What causes it? > > How to fix it? > > What can be done to prevent it? > > Etc. > > Thanks, > Brad > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Doug Steele > Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2012 1:25 PM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Dropbox for Access distribution > > I have three clients using Dropbox. For various reasons they are all > different. They all set up a shared Dropbox folder on one of their > computers, which I can access from my computer. > > Client 1. Their folder is just used as a convenient drop. I copy a > new version of the FE to the shared folder, notify them, and they > install it manually on their network. > Client 2. Windows Server. I copy the new version of the FE to my > shared folder and when a client machine opens the FE it checks for a > new version and installs it automatically. This works very well > except for the odd time when Access goes corrupt and everyone gets a > bad version (happened this morning)! > Client 3. Linux based file server. I tried to automate installation > similar to Client 2, but had permissions problems with the file server > (their network guy was no help) and it won't let me auto-copy files > from the shared folder on the client computer. So installs are done > manually. > > Doug > > > On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 10:55 AM, Jim Lawrence wrote: >> Interesting. Keep me posted. >> >> Jim >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby >> Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2012 10:19 AM >> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving >> Subject: [AccessD] Dropbox for Access distribution >> >> Has anyone tried using Dropbox to distribute Access FEs or libraries > to >> remote clients? >> >> It seems like one could set up a dropbox directory on the remote > machine and >> a batch file or other >> system which copies the files to the run location and then opens the >> database. Similar to what I do >> on a network where the batch file copies from the server to the run >> location. >> >> -- >> John W. Colby >> Colby Consulting >> >> Reality is what refuses to go away >> when you do not believe in it >> >> -- >> AccessD mailing list >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> -- >> AccessD mailing list >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is > believed to be clean. > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. From charlotte.foust at gmail.com Wed Sep 12 20:52:41 2012 From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2012 18:52:41 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Dropbox for Access distribution In-Reply-To: References: <5050C412.1070303@colbyconsulting.com> <8907F1A97DEA461CBD28024215B526B9@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: >>PS. The VP of Sales has a small rubber model of a PC that she pushes needles into on a regular basis... perhaps this is playing a role Where can I get one? There are times when voodoo seems the only answer! Charlotte On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 12:36 PM, Brad Marks wrote: > Doug, > > I just put in an order for a bunch of lizards as this seems like the > best route to take :-) > > Seriously, I have a small Access 2007 application that is distributed to > a number of users' "C" drives. > > For months, everything was working fine on all PCs. Many versions of > the application were released with no problem. This week, one of the > PCs (Vice President of Sales) started having problems with the Access > application. > > I can easily fix it by refreshing the copy of the application on this > PC. > > I am just very curious as to what is causing this. > > Thanks for your insights and humor. > > Brad > > PS. The VP of Sales has a small rubber model of a PC that she pushes > needles into on a regular basis... perhaps this is playing a role > > :-) > > > From john at winhaven.net Wed Sep 12 20:55:22 2012 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2012 20:55:22 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Dropbox for Access distribution In-Reply-To: References: <5050C412.1070303@colbyconsulting.com> <8907F1A97DEA461CBD28024215B526B9@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: <018b01cd9152$d6059bd0$8210d370$@winhaven.net> Lol, I was waiting for it and wasn't disappointed! -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Doug Steele -I would like to learn more about this issue of "going corrupt". 1. What causes it? Random fluctuations in the magnetic field of Venus. 2. How to fix it? If a decompile/recompile doesn't work, pray that you have a backup and can re-create your latest changes. 3. What can be done to prevent it? Swing a lizard around your head three times during a full moon. Unfortunately, this only protects you for 2 minutes. Sorry, couldn't resist. If you could answer questions 1 and 3 you would get rich very quickly. Doug > I would like to learn more about this issue of "going corrupt". > > What causes it? > > How to fix it? > > What can be done to prevent it? > > Etc. > > Thanks, > Brad > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Doug Steele > Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2012 1:25 PM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Dropbox for Access distribution > > I have three clients using Dropbox. For various reasons they are all > different. They all set up a shared Dropbox folder on one of their > computers, which I can access from my computer. > > Client 1. Their folder is just used as a convenient drop. I copy a > new version of the FE to the shared folder, notify them, and they > install it manually on their network. > Client 2. Windows Server. I copy the new version of the FE to my > shared folder and when a client machine opens the FE it checks for a > new version and installs it automatically. This works very well > except for the odd time when Access goes corrupt and everyone gets a > bad version (happened this morning)! > Client 3. Linux based file server. I tried to automate installation > similar to Client 2, but had permissions problems with the file server > (their network guy was no help) and it won't let me auto-copy files > from the shared folder on the client computer. So installs are done > manually. > > Doug > > > On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 10:55 AM, Jim Lawrence wrote: >> Interesting. Keep me posted. >> >> Jim >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby >> Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2012 10:19 AM >> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving >> Subject: [AccessD] Dropbox for Access distribution >> >> Has anyone tried using Dropbox to distribute Access FEs or libraries > to >> remote clients? >> >> It seems like one could set up a dropbox directory on the remote > machine and >> a batch file or other >> system which copies the files to the run location and then opens the >> database. Similar to what I do on a network where the batch file >> copies from the server to the run location. >> >> -- >> John W. Colby >> Colby Consulting >> >> Reality is what refuses to go away >> when you do not believe in it >> >> -- >> AccessD mailing list >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> -- >> AccessD mailing list >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by > MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Benson at ge.com Wed Sep 12 21:42:15 2012 From: Benson at ge.com (Benson, William (GE Global Research, consultant)) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2012 02:42:15 +0000 Subject: [AccessD] Unstable Oracle Connection In-Reply-To: <93D10F008B998B4A83BCA855A33EEF372C85C99B@CINMBCNA01.e2k.ad.ge.com> References: <93D10F008B998B4A83BCA855A33EEF372C85C99B@CINMBCNA01.e2k.ad.ge.com> Message-ID: <93D10F008B998B4A83BCA855A33EEF372C85CC04@CINMBCNA01.e2k.ad.ge.com> Reading I have done on this topic says you have to attempt to make use of the open connection (such as trying to open a recordset with error handling) in order to test if the opened connection remains valid / usable. Oh well. Additionally, I noticed through observation but did not find in the reading, that the connection state is not useful. That tells you whether you have opened or closed the connection but doesn't tell you how the connection is doing. On the other hand I did find a connection status property in the locals window when examining the connection object after it was active. When I signed out of the VPN, that did not change the connection status, however, when I attempted to open a recordset, and after the error message due to the non-available connection was trapped, I saw that the connection status property then changed from 1 to 2. From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Thu Sep 13 08:10:07 2012 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2012 09:10:07 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Apollo Guidance Computer - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Message-ID: <5051DB2F.9030300@colbyconsulting.com> And all you iPhone nerds think you got it bad... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollo_Guidance_Computer -- John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it From steve at goodhall.info Thu Sep 13 08:44:07 2012 From: steve at goodhall.info (Steve Goodhall) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2012 09:44:07 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Apollo Guidance Computer - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia In-Reply-To: <5051DB2F.9030300@colbyconsulting.com> References: <5051DB2F.9030300@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <924f06c9-51de-4756-ba69-384f560eb7b5@blur> As I recall they ran the Apollo Soyuz docking mission on a magnetic card programmable calculator because it was faster and easier to use. It couldn't be the official computer because it wasn't certified for acceleration. Steve Goodhall, MSCS, PMP -----Original message----- From: jwcolby To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Sent: Thu, Sep 13, 2012 13:15:49 GMT+00:00 Subject: [AccessD] Apollo Guidance Computer - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia And all you iPhone nerds think you got it bad... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollo_Guidance_Computer -- John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From dbdoug at gmail.com Thu Sep 13 08:47:12 2012 From: dbdoug at gmail.com (Doug Steele) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2012 06:47:12 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Apollo Guidance Computer - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia In-Reply-To: <5051DB2F.9030300@colbyconsulting.com> References: <5051DB2F.9030300@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: They had Lego in those days; too bad they hadn't invented the Raspberry Pi: http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2012/09/university-builds-cheap-supercomputer-with-raspberry-pi-and-legos/ On Thu, Sep 13, 2012 at 6:10 AM, jwcolby wrote: > And all you iPhone nerds think you got it bad... > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollo_Guidance_Computer > > -- > John W. Colby > Colby Consulting > > Reality is what refuses to go away > when you do not believe in it > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Thu Sep 13 10:43:04 2012 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2012 08:43:04 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Apollo Guidance Computer - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia In-Reply-To: <5051DB2F.9030300@colbyconsulting.com> References: <5051DB2F.9030300@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: You have talked me into it I have to through out some of my old computers. Jim -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2012 6:10 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: [AccessD] Apollo Guidance Computer - Wikipedia,the free encyclopedia And all you iPhone nerds think you got it bad... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollo_Guidance_Computer -- John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From steve at goodhall.info Thu Sep 13 10:51:29 2012 From: steve at goodhall.info (Steve Goodhall) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2012 11:51:29 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Apollo Guidance Computer - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia In-Reply-To: References: <5051DB2F.9030300@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <8ad51864-c5f3-4c7b-a128-e0aafa1a0afa@blur> Right. I have a space in the basement that my wife refers to (not affectionately) as The Computer Graveyard. Steve Goodhall, MSCS, PMP -----Original message----- From: Jim Lawrence To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Sent: Thu, Sep 13, 2012 15:44:14 GMT+00:00 Subject: Re: [AccessD] Apollo Guidance Computer - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia You have talked me into it I have to through out some of my old computers. Jim -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2012 6:10 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: [AccessD] Apollo Guidance Computer - Wikipedia,the free encyclopedia And all you iPhone nerds think you got it bad... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollo_Guidance_Computer -- John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Thu Sep 13 11:08:40 2012 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2012 09:08:40 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Apollo Guidance Computer - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia In-Reply-To: <8ad51864-c5f3-4c7b-a128-e0aafa1a0afa@blur> References: <5051DB2F.9030300@colbyconsulting.com> <8ad51864-c5f3-4c7b-a128-e0aafa1a0afa@blur> Message-ID: <5D81250C01FC4F61911FB348B50E18D0@HAL9007> I've still got a 486 in the garage. Fine machine. Still works. R -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Goodhall Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2012 8:51 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problemsolving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Apollo Guidance Computer - Wikipedia,the free encyclopedia Right. I have a space in the basement that my wife refers to (not affectionately) as The Computer Graveyard. Steve Goodhall, MSCS, PMP -----Original message----- From: Jim Lawrence To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Sent: Thu, Sep 13, 2012 15:44:14 GMT+00:00 Subject: Re: [AccessD] Apollo Guidance Computer - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia You have talked me into it I have to through out some of my old computers. Jim -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2012 6:10 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: [AccessD] Apollo Guidance Computer - Wikipedia,the free encyclopedia And all you iPhone nerds think you got it bad... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollo_Guidance_Computer -- John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Thu Sep 13 11:20:05 2012 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2012 09:20:05 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Apollo Guidance Computer - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia In-Reply-To: <8ad51864-c5f3-4c7b-a128-e0aafa1a0afa@blur> References: <5051DB2F.9030300@colbyconsulting.com> <8ad51864-c5f3-4c7b-a128-e0aafa1a0afa@blur> Message-ID: Ha ha ha... I pride myself in being able to keep junk running whether hardware or old programs. ;-) Jim -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Goodhall Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2012 8:51 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problemsolving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Apollo Guidance Computer - Wikipedia,the free encyclopedia Right. I have a space in the basement that my wife refers to (not affectionately) as The Computer Graveyard. Steve Goodhall, MSCS, PMP -----Original message----- From: Jim Lawrence To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Sent: Thu, Sep 13, 2012 15:44:14 GMT+00:00 Subject: Re: [AccessD] Apollo Guidance Computer - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia You have talked me into it I have to through out some of my old computers. Jim -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2012 6:10 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: [AccessD] Apollo Guidance Computer - Wikipedia,the free encyclopedia And all you iPhone nerds think you got it bad... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollo_Guidance_Computer -- John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Thu Sep 13 11:01:06 2012 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2012 12:01:06 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Apollo Guidance Computer - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia In-Reply-To: References: <5051DB2F.9030300@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <50520342.4010009@colbyconsulting.com> LOL. One Raspberry Pi would have given them many hundreds of times the compute power. It always amazes me what they managed to get done with so little power. John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it On 9/13/2012 9:47 AM, Doug Steele wrote: > They had Lego in those days; too bad they hadn't invented the Raspberry Pi: > > http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2012/09/university-builds-cheap-supercomputer-with-raspberry-pi-and-legos/ > > On Thu, Sep 13, 2012 at 6:10 AM, jwcolby > wrote: >> And all you iPhone nerds think you got it bad... >> >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollo_Guidance_Computer >> >> -- >> John W. Colby >> Colby Consulting >> >> Reality is what refuses to go away >> when you do not believe in it >> >> -- >> AccessD mailing list >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Thu Sep 13 11:23:20 2012 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2012 09:23:20 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Apollo Guidance Computer - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia In-Reply-To: <5D81250C01FC4F61911FB348B50E18D0@HAL9007> References: <5051DB2F.9030300@colbyconsulting.com><8ad51864-c5f3-4c7b-a128-e0aafa1a0afa@blur> <5D81250C01FC4F61911FB348B50E18D0@HAL9007> Message-ID: <5FB14D6AF6164A92BC4924EE3B242460@creativesystemdesigns.com> Which means you are not going to throw it out. Just install a version of Linux on the box and the old beater is now a server suitable for rack mounting and networking. Jim -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2012 9:09 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Apollo Guidance Computer - Wikipedia,the free encyclopedia I've still got a 486 in the garage. Fine machine. Still works. R -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Goodhall Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2012 8:51 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problemsolving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Apollo Guidance Computer - Wikipedia,the free encyclopedia Right. I have a space in the basement that my wife refers to (not affectionately) as The Computer Graveyard. Steve Goodhall, MSCS, PMP -----Original message----- From: Jim Lawrence To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Sent: Thu, Sep 13, 2012 15:44:14 GMT+00:00 Subject: Re: [AccessD] Apollo Guidance Computer - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia You have talked me into it I have to through out some of my old computers. Jim -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2012 6:10 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: [AccessD] Apollo Guidance Computer - Wikipedia,the free encyclopedia And all you iPhone nerds think you got it bad... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollo_Guidance_Computer -- John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Thu Sep 13 11:24:23 2012 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2012 09:24:23 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Apollo Guidance Computer - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia In-Reply-To: <50520342.4010009@colbyconsulting.com> References: <5051DB2F.9030300@colbyconsulting.com> <50520342.4010009@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <02FC50D7E5F247C5A4C226C53247A675@creativesystemdesigns.com> Months of assembler coding. Jim -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2012 9:01 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Apollo Guidance Computer - Wikipedia,the free encyclopedia LOL. One Raspberry Pi would have given them many hundreds of times the compute power. It always amazes me what they managed to get done with so little power. John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it On 9/13/2012 9:47 AM, Doug Steele wrote: > They had Lego in those days; too bad they hadn't invented the Raspberry Pi: > > http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2012/09/university-builds-chea p-supercomputer-with-raspberry-pi-and-legos/ > > On Thu, Sep 13, 2012 at 6:10 AM, jwcolby > wrote: >> And all you iPhone nerds think you got it bad... >> >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollo_Guidance_Computer >> >> -- >> John W. Colby >> Colby Consulting >> >> Reality is what refuses to go away >> when you do not believe in it >> >> -- >> AccessD mailing list >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Thu Sep 13 11:19:02 2012 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2012 12:19:02 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Apollo Guidance Computer - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia In-Reply-To: <8ad51864-c5f3-4c7b-a128-e0aafa1a0afa@blur> References: <5051DB2F.9030300@colbyconsulting.com> <8ad51864-c5f3-4c7b-a128-e0aafa1a0afa@blur> Message-ID: <50520776.5070903@colbyconsulting.com> Just throw a blanket over them for another 40 years... http://www.pcworld.com/article/257784/36yearold_apple_computer_sells_for_374500.html John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it On 9/13/2012 11:51 AM, Steve Goodhall wrote: > Right. I have a space in the basement that my wife refers to (not affectionately) as The Computer > Graveyard. > > Steve Goodhall, MSCS, PMP > > -----Original message----- > From: Jim Lawrence > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > Sent: Thu, Sep 13, 2012 15:44:14 GMT+00:00 > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Apollo Guidance Computer - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia > > You have talked me into it I have to through out some of my old computers. > > Jim > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby > Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2012 6:10 AM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: [AccessD] Apollo Guidance Computer - Wikipedia,the free > encyclopedia > > And all you iPhone nerds think you got it bad... > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollo_Guidance_Computer > From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Thu Sep 13 11:43:11 2012 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2012 12:43:11 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Apollo Guidance Computer - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia In-Reply-To: <5D81250C01FC4F61911FB348B50E18D0@HAL9007> References: <5051DB2F.9030300@colbyconsulting.com> <8ad51864-c5f3-4c7b-a128-e0aafa1a0afa@blur> <5D81250C01FC4F61911FB348B50E18D0@HAL9007> Message-ID: <50520D1F.2000305@colbyconsulting.com> I purchased exactly two computers in my life, the first was an Epson PC-XT to replace my 2nd homebuilt computer. I bought that in 1986 when I was recovering from my motorcycle accident and was financed by the settlement from the accident. The second computer I purchased was a Zeos '386 in 1988 (or thereabouts). From that time on I upgraded parts or bought parts and built computers from scratch, a practice I continue to this day. The latest computer I built is a dual socket server (AMD) with (2) 8 core chips (16 cores total), and 96 gigs of RAM, an Areca 16 port (SATA II) raid controller hosting (12) 1 terabyte WD Black drives for 10 TB of RAID 6 storage, and a terabyte SSD Raid 6 array. It runs Windows 2008 and SQL Server 2008 and is my 'monster in the basement'. It does earn me a healthy living. There is something satisfying about building your own. Not to mention that buying that from Dell or HP would have cost me 3-4 times as much and I can upgrade my 'monster' as things age. John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it On 9/13/2012 12:08 PM, Rocky Smolin wrote: > I've still got a 486 in the garage. Fine machine. Still works. > > R > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Goodhall > Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2012 8:51 AM > To: Access Developers discussion and problemsolving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Apollo Guidance Computer - Wikipedia,the free > encyclopedia > > Right. I have a space in the basement that my wife refers to (not > affectionately) as The Computer Graveyard. > > Steve Goodhall, MSCS, PMP > > -----Original message----- > From: Jim Lawrence > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > > Sent: Thu, Sep 13, 2012 15:44:14 GMT+00:00 > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Apollo Guidance Computer - Wikipedia, the free > encyclopedia > > You have talked me into it I have to through out some of my old computers. > > Jim > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby > Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2012 6:10 AM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: [AccessD] Apollo Guidance Computer - Wikipedia,the free > encyclopedia > > And all you iPhone nerds think you got it bad... > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollo_Guidance_Computer > > -- > John W. Colby > Colby Consulting > > Reality is what refuses to go away > when you do not believe in it > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From marksimms at verizon.net Thu Sep 13 12:28:23 2012 From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2012 13:28:23 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Apollo Guidance Computer - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia In-Reply-To: <5051DB2F.9030300@colbyconsulting.com> References: <5051DB2F.9030300@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <000f01cd91d5$2d5996c0$880cc440$@net> Suddenly...VBA is so simple. I can't imagine programming that device. From marksimms at verizon.net Thu Sep 13 12:31:52 2012 From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2012 13:31:52 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] What I Wish In-Reply-To: References: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B52501646E@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com> Message-ID: <001001cd91d5$aa5ee620$ff1cb260$@net> Wish I had the source to this addin; also, wish I could contact the original developer....his email just bounces. From TSeptav at Uniserve.com Thu Sep 13 12:57:22 2012 From: TSeptav at Uniserve.com (Tony Septav) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2012 12:57:22 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Windows 7 Message-ID: <201209131757.q8DHvOW1019257@databaseadvisors.com> Hey All Just bought a new machine, came with Windows 7. A client asked me to update an application we have been constantly updating for the last 10 years. What was MicroSoft thinking. A lot of my code and MicroSoft ActiveX controls don't work anymore. I used the Common Dialog, ImageList and TreeView controls (God help me what else). I had to download the ComCtl32.ocx and ComDlg32.ocx because they do not come with Windows 7. Now I am having no luck registering these items in the Windows/System32 folder. A couple of (online) recommendations suggested they should be placed in the \Windows\SysWow64 folder and then registered, My question is, on the clients older machines they will not have a SysWow64 folder. Any suggestions how I can register these files from the System32 folder??? Thanks Tony Septav Nanaimo,BC From df.waters at comcast.net Thu Sep 13 13:18:41 2012 From: df.waters at comcast.net (Dan Waters) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2012 13:18:41 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Windows 7 In-Reply-To: <201209131757.q8DHvOW1019257@databaseadvisors.com> References: <201209131757.q8DHvOW1019257@databaseadvisors.com> Message-ID: <002f01cd91dc$34342e40$9c9c8ac0$@comcast.net> Hi Tony, Your new PC is 64 bit (if it was 32 bit it wouldn't have a sysWOW64 folder). Because the two files are 32 bit, they need to be registered with the regsvr32.exe file that is found in the sysWOW64 folder. The regsvr32.exe file in syswow64 is for registering 32 bit files, while the regsvr32.exe file that is in the system32 folder will register 64 bit files. This of course sounds backwards, but you can search for the full explanation. Put your two files in the system32 folder. Open the Run dialog. For a 64 bit PC Type in: C:\windows\sysWOW64\regsvr32.exe "C:\windows\system32\comctl32.ocx" (with quotes) and push OK. For a 32 bit PC Type in: C:\windows\system32\regsvr32.exe "C:\windows\system32\comctl32.ocx" (with quotes) and push OK. Hope this works! Dan -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tony Septav Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2012 12:57 PM To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com Subject: [AccessD] Windows 7 Hey All Just bought a new machine, came with Windows 7. A client asked me to update an application we have been constantly updating for the last 10 years. What was MicroSoft thinking. A lot of my code and MicroSoft ActiveX controls don't work anymore. I used the Common Dialog, ImageList and TreeView controls (God help me what else). I had to download the ComCtl32.ocx and ComDlg32.ocx because they do not come with Windows 7. Now I am having no luck registering these items in the Windows/System32 folder. A couple of (online) recommendations suggested they should be placed in the \Windows\SysWow64 folder and then registered, My question is, on the clients older machines they will not have a SysWow64 folder. Any suggestions how I can register these files from the System32 folder??? Thanks Tony Septav Nanaimo,BC -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Thu Sep 13 13:33:27 2012 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2012 14:33:27 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Windows 7 In-Reply-To: <201209131757.q8DHvOW1019257@databaseadvisors.com> References: <201209131757.q8DHvOW1019257@databaseadvisors.com> Message-ID: <505226F7.4080904@colbyconsulting.com> AFAIK it shouldn't matter where it resides when it is registered. Registering provides the indirection to allow your app to just call the DLL. The registry then "figures out" where the DLL is actually located. John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it On 9/13/2012 1:57 PM, Tony Septav wrote: > Hey All > > Just bought a new machine, came with Windows 7. A client asked me to update > an application we have been constantly updating for the last 10 years. What > was MicroSoft thinking. A lot of my code and MicroSoft ActiveX controls > don't work anymore. I used the Common Dialog, ImageList and TreeView > controls (God help me what else). I had to download the ComCtl32.ocx and > ComDlg32.ocx because they do not come with Windows 7. Now I am having no > luck registering these items in the Windows/System32 folder. A couple of > (online) recommendations suggested they should be placed in the > \Windows\SysWow64 folder and then registered, My question is, on the clients > older machines they will not have a SysWow64 folder. Any suggestions how I > can register these files from the System32 folder??? > > > > Thanks > > Tony Septav > > Nanaimo,BC > > > From rls at WeBeDb.com Thu Sep 13 13:48:42 2012 From: rls at WeBeDb.com (Robert Stewart) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2012 13:48:42 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Dropbox for Access distribution In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3757492E-FD02-4D42-9D24-C3FA2913B089@holly.arvixe.com> I have not tried it, but I distribute other files this way. It could be done and would work well once the client subscribed to Dropbox. At 09:42 PM 9/12/2012, you wrote: >Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2012 13:19:14 -0400 >From: jwcolby >To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > >Subject: [AccessD] Dropbox for Access distribution >Message-ID: <5050C412.1070303 at colbyconsulting.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > >Has anyone tried using Dropbox to distribute Access FEs or libraries >to remote clients? > >It seems like one could set up a dropbox directory on the remote >machine and a batch file or other >system which copies the files to the run location and then opens the >database. Similar to what I do >on a network where the batch file copies from the server to the run location. Robert L. Stewart www.WeBeDb.com www.DBGUIDesign.com www.RLStewartPhotography.com From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Thu Sep 13 13:43:48 2012 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2012 14:43:48 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Apollo Guidance Computer - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia In-Reply-To: <5FB14D6AF6164A92BC4924EE3B242460@creativesystemdesigns.com> References: <5051DB2F.9030300@colbyconsulting.com><8ad51864-c5f3-4c7b-a128-e0aafa1a0afa@blur> <5D81250C01FC4F61911FB348B50E18D0@HAL9007> <5FB14D6AF6164A92BC4924EE3B242460@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: <50522964.5020108@colbyconsulting.com> Yea, except in those days 16 mbytes was a monster machine. Who would ever need more than that? How much memory does it have Rocky? John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it On 9/13/2012 12:23 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > Which means you are not going to throw it out. > > Just install a version of Linux on the box and the old beater is now a > server suitable for rack mounting and networking. > > Jim > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin > Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2012 9:09 AM > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Apollo Guidance Computer - Wikipedia,the free > encyclopedia > > I've still got a 486 in the garage. Fine machine. Still works. > > R From TSeptav at Uniserve.com Thu Sep 13 13:57:04 2012 From: TSeptav at Uniserve.com (Tony Septav) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2012 13:57:04 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Windows 7 In-Reply-To: <002f01cd91dc$34342e40$9c9c8ac0$@comcast.net> Message-ID: <201209131857.q8DIv54F032071@databaseadvisors.com> Hey Dan Thanks, but I must doing something wrong. For a 64 bit PC Type in: C:\windows\sysWOW64\regsvr32.exe "C:\windows\system32\comctl32.ocx" (with quotes) and push OK. I still get a failed message, got to do some more testing. Thanks Again -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters Sent: September-13-12 1:19 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Windows 7 Hi Tony, Your new PC is 64 bit (if it was 32 bit it wouldn't have a sysWOW64 folder). Because the two files are 32 bit, they need to be registered with the regsvr32.exe file that is found in the sysWOW64 folder. The regsvr32.exe file in syswow64 is for registering 32 bit files, while the regsvr32.exe file that is in the system32 folder will register 64 bit files. This of course sounds backwards, but you can search for the full explanation. Put your two files in the system32 folder. Open the Run dialog. For a 64 bit PC Type in: C:\windows\sysWOW64\regsvr32.exe "C:\windows\system32\comctl32.ocx" (with quotes) and push OK. For a 32 bit PC Type in: C:\windows\system32\regsvr32.exe "C:\windows\system32\comctl32.ocx" (with quotes) and push OK. Hope this works! Dan -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tony Septav Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2012 12:57 PM To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com Subject: [AccessD] Windows 7 Hey All Just bought a new machine, came with Windows 7. A client asked me to update an application we have been constantly updating for the last 10 years. What was MicroSoft thinking. A lot of my code and MicroSoft ActiveX controls don't work anymore. I used the Common Dialog, ImageList and TreeView controls (God help me what else). I had to download the ComCtl32.ocx and ComDlg32.ocx because they do not come with Windows 7. Now I am having no luck registering these items in the Windows/System32 folder. A couple of (online) recommendations suggested they should be placed in the \Windows\SysWow64 folder and then registered, My question is, on the clients older machines they will not have a SysWow64 folder. Any suggestions how I can register these files from the System32 folder??? Thanks Tony Septav Nanaimo,BC -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2221 / Virus Database: 2437/5266 - Release Date: 09/13/12 From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Thu Sep 13 14:12:31 2012 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2012 12:12:31 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Apollo Guidance Computer - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia In-Reply-To: <50522964.5020108@colbyconsulting.com> References: <5051DB2F.9030300@colbyconsulting.com><8ad51864-c5f3-4c7b-a128-e0aafa1a0afa@blur><5D81250C01FC4F61911FB348B50E18D0@HAL9007><5FB14D6AF6164A92BC4924EE3B242460@creativesystemdesigns.com> <50522964.5020108@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: More than me apparently because for the life of me I can't remember. It does have both 5 1/4 and 3 1/2 inch floppy drives, tough. And is strictly a DOS box. R -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2012 11:44 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Apollo Guidance Computer - Wikipedia,the free encyclopedia Yea, except in those days 16 mbytes was a monster machine. Who would ever need more than that? How much memory does it have Rocky? John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it On 9/13/2012 12:23 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > Which means you are not going to throw it out. > > Just install a version of Linux on the box and the old beater is now a > server suitable for rack mounting and networking. > > Jim > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky > Smolin > Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2012 9:09 AM > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Apollo Guidance Computer - Wikipedia,the free > encyclopedia > > I've still got a 486 in the garage. Fine machine. Still works. > > R -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From vbacreations at gmail.com Thu Sep 13 15:00:27 2012 From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2012 16:00:27 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Dropbox for Access distribution In-Reply-To: References: <5050C412.1070303@colbyconsulting.com> <8907F1A97DEA461CBD28024215B526B9@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: Earth or Venusian full moon? Oh yeah Venus has no moon. Nevermind the question! I sure like these explanations tho. How well received are they with client nunber 2? On Sep 12, 2012 3:27 PM, "Doug Steele" wrote: > On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 12:06 PM, Brad Marks > wrote: > > Doug, > > > > In your note about Client 2, you mentioned "This works very well except > > for the odd time when Access goes corrupt" > I would like to learn more about this issue of "going corrupt". > > 1. What causes it? > Random fluctuations in the magnetic field of Venus. > 2. How to fix it? > If a decompile/recompile doesn't work, pray that you have a backup > and can re-create your latest changes. > 3. What can be done to prevent it? > Swing a lizard around your head three times during a full moon. > Unfortunately, this only protects you for 2 minutes. > > Sorry, couldn't resist. If you could answer questions 1 and 3 you > would get rich very quickly. > > Doug > > > > > I would like to learn more about this issue of "going corrupt". > > > > What causes it? > > > > How to fix it? > > > > What can be done to prevent it? > > > > Etc. > > > > Thanks, > > Brad > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Doug Steele > > Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2012 1:25 PM > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Dropbox for Access distribution > > > > I have three clients using Dropbox. For various reasons they are all > > different. They all set up a shared Dropbox folder on one of their > > computers, which I can access from my computer. > > > > Client 1. Their folder is just used as a convenient drop. I copy a > > new version of the FE to the shared folder, notify them, and they > > install it manually on their network. > > Client 2. Windows Server. I copy the new version of the FE to my > > shared folder and when a client machine opens the FE it checks for a > > new version and installs it automatically. This works very well > > except for the odd time when Access goes corrupt and everyone gets a > > bad version (happened this morning)! > > Client 3. Linux based file server. I tried to automate installation > > similar to Client 2, but had permissions problems with the file server > > (their network guy was no help) and it won't let me auto-copy files > > from the shared folder on the client computer. So installs are done > > manually. > > > > Doug > > > > > > On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 10:55 AM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > >> Interesting. Keep me posted. > >> > >> Jim > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > >> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby > >> Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2012 10:19 AM > >> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > >> Subject: [AccessD] Dropbox for Access distribution > >> > >> Has anyone tried using Dropbox to distribute Access FEs or libraries > > to > >> remote clients? > >> > >> It seems like one could set up a dropbox directory on the remote > > machine and > >> a batch file or other > >> system which copies the files to the run location and then opens the > >> database. Similar to what I do > >> on a network where the batch file copies from the server to the run > >> location. > >> > >> -- > >> John W. Colby > >> Colby Consulting > >> > >> Reality is what refuses to go away > >> when you do not believe in it > >> > >> -- > >> AccessD mailing list > >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > >> > >> -- > >> AccessD mailing list > >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > -- > > This message has been scanned for viruses and > > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is > > believed to be clean. > > > > > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From dbdoug at gmail.com Thu Sep 13 15:09:05 2012 From: dbdoug at gmail.com (Doug Steele) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2012 13:09:05 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Dropbox for Access distribution In-Reply-To: References: <5050C412.1070303@colbyconsulting.com> <8907F1A97DEA461CBD28024215B526B9@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: All my clients are quite familiar with my use of the 'swing a lizard around your head' technique. In sounds better than 'Just a minute while I whip out my magic wand'. And it's less likely to be misinterpreted. Doug On Thu, Sep 13, 2012 at 1:00 PM, William Benson wrote: > Earth or Venusian full moon? Oh yeah Venus has no moon. Nevermind the > question! > > I sure like these explanations tho. How well received are they with client > nunber 2? > On Sep 12, 2012 3:27 PM, "Doug Steele" wrote: > > > On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 12:06 PM, Brad Marks > > wrote: > > > Doug, > > > > > > In your note about Client 2, you mentioned "This works very well except > > > for the odd time when Access goes corrupt" > > I would like to learn more about this issue of "going corrupt". > > > > 1. What causes it? > > Random fluctuations in the magnetic field of Venus. > > 2. How to fix it? > > If a decompile/recompile doesn't work, pray that you have a backup > > and can re-create your latest changes. > > 3. What can be done to prevent it? > > Swing a lizard around your head three times during a full moon. > > Unfortunately, this only protects you for 2 minutes. > > > > Sorry, couldn't resist. If you could answer questions 1 and 3 you > > would get rich very quickly. > > > > Doug > > > > > > > > > I would like to learn more about this issue of "going corrupt". > > > > > > What causes it? > > > > > > How to fix it? > > > > > > What can be done to prevent it? > > > > > > Etc. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Brad > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Doug Steele > > > Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2012 1:25 PM > > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Dropbox for Access distribution > > > > > > I have three clients using Dropbox. For various reasons they are all > > > different. They all set up a shared Dropbox folder on one of their > > > computers, which I can access from my computer. > > > > > > Client 1. Their folder is just used as a convenient drop. I copy a > > > new version of the FE to the shared folder, notify them, and they > > > install it manually on their network. > > > Client 2. Windows Server. I copy the new version of the FE to my > > > shared folder and when a client machine opens the FE it checks for a > > > new version and installs it automatically. This works very well > > > except for the odd time when Access goes corrupt and everyone gets a > > > bad version (happened this morning)! > > > Client 3. Linux based file server. I tried to automate installation > > > similar to Client 2, but had permissions problems with the file server > > > (their network guy was no help) and it won't let me auto-copy files > > > from the shared folder on the client computer. So installs are done > > > manually. > > > > > > Doug > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 10:55 AM, Jim Lawrence > wrote: > > >> Interesting. Keep me posted. > > >> > > >> Jim > > >> > > >> -----Original Message----- > > >> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > >> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby > > >> Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2012 10:19 AM > > >> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > > >> Subject: [AccessD] Dropbox for Access distribution > > >> > > >> Has anyone tried using Dropbox to distribute Access FEs or libraries > > > to > > >> remote clients? > > >> > > >> It seems like one could set up a dropbox directory on the remote > > > machine and > > >> a batch file or other > > >> system which copies the files to the run location and then opens the > > >> database. Similar to what I do > > >> on a network where the batch file copies from the server to the run > > >> location. > > >> > > >> -- > > >> John W. Colby > > >> Colby Consulting > > >> > > >> Reality is what refuses to go away > > >> when you do not believe in it > > >> > > >> -- > > >> AccessD mailing list > > >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > >> > > >> -- > > >> AccessD mailing list > > >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- > > > AccessD mailing list > > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > -- > > > This message has been scanned for viruses and > > > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is > > > believed to be clean. > > > > > > > > > -- > > > AccessD mailing list > > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Thu Sep 13 15:12:19 2012 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2012 16:12:19 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Apollo Guidance Computer - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia In-Reply-To: References: <5051DB2F.9030300@colbyconsulting.com><8ad51864-c5f3-4c7b-a128-e0aafa1a0afa@blur><5D81250C01FC4F61911FB348B50E18D0@HAL9007><5FB14D6AF6164A92BC4924EE3B242460@creativesystemdesigns.com> <50522964.5020108@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <50523E23.2050705@colbyconsulting.com> LOL, yep, most likely 4 megs or maaaybe 16 megs maximum. My 386 that I bought in 1988 had 4 megs and it eventually ran Windows 3.0. John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it On 9/13/2012 3:12 PM, Rocky Smolin wrote: > More than me apparently because for the life of me I can't remember. It > does have both 5 1/4 and 3 1/2 inch floppy drives, tough. And is strictly a > DOS box. > > R > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby > Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2012 11:44 AM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Apollo Guidance Computer - Wikipedia,the free > encyclopedia > > Yea, except in those days 16 mbytes was a monster machine. Who would ever > need more than that? > > How much memory does it have Rocky? > > John W. Colby > Colby Consulting > > Reality is what refuses to go away > when you do not believe in it > > On 9/13/2012 12:23 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote: >> Which means you are not going to throw it out. >> >> Just install a version of Linux on the box and the old beater is now a >> server suitable for rack mounting and networking. >> >> Jim >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky >> Smolin >> Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2012 9:09 AM >> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' >> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Apollo Guidance Computer - Wikipedia,the free >> encyclopedia >> >> I've still got a 486 in the garage. Fine machine. Still works. >> >> R > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From michael at mattysconsulting.com Thu Sep 13 15:15:15 2012 From: michael at mattysconsulting.com (Michael Mattys) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2012 16:15:15 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Windows 7 In-Reply-To: <201209131757.q8DHvOW1019257@databaseadvisors.com> References: <201209131757.q8DHvOW1019257@databaseadvisors.com> Message-ID: <003001cd91ec$7d88a930$7899fb90$@mattysconsulting.com> Tony, I'm believe that this was intended to resolve your issue: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/2695962 Michael R Mattys Mattys Consulting, LLC www.mattysconsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tony Septav Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2012 1:57 PM To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com Subject: [AccessD] Windows 7 Hey All Just bought a new machine, came with Windows 7. A client asked me to update an application we have been constantly updating for the last 10 years. What was MicroSoft thinking. A lot of my code and MicroSoft ActiveX controls don't work anymore. I used the Common Dialog, ImageList and TreeView controls (God help me what else). I had to download the ComCtl32.ocx and ComDlg32.ocx because they do not come with Windows 7. Now I am having no luck registering these items in the Windows/System32 folder. A couple of (online) recommendations suggested they should be placed in the \Windows\SysWow64 folder and then registered, My question is, on the clients older machines they will not have a SysWow64 folder. Any suggestions how I can register these files from the System32 folder??? Thanks Tony Septav Nanaimo,BC -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From davidmcafee at gmail.com Thu Sep 13 15:31:11 2012 From: davidmcafee at gmail.com (David McAfee) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2012 13:31:11 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Dropbox for Access distribution In-Reply-To: References: <5050C412.1070303@colbyconsulting.com> <8907F1A97DEA461CBD28024215B526B9@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: Especially with someone that has a Porn name like you :) D On Thu, Sep 13, 2012 at 1:09 PM, Doug Steele wrote: > All my clients are quite familiar with my use of the 'swing a lizard around > your head' technique. In sounds better than 'Just a minute while I whip > out my magic wand'. And it's less likely to be misinterpreted. > > Doug > From rls at WeBeDb.com Thu Sep 13 15:42:40 2012 From: rls at WeBeDb.com (Robert Stewart) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2012 15:42:40 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] AccessD Digest, Vol 115, Issue 5 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <68F323C2-46D8-44E8-A045-AB9884BE7D5D@holly.arvixe.com> It is already there in the System32 folder. You just have to change the location of it in tools | references I have used it on a number of Win 7 x64 systems without issues. At 03:14 PM 9/13/2012, you wrote: >Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2012 14:33:27 -0400 >From: jwcolby >To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > >Subject: Re: [AccessD] Windows 7 >Message-ID: <505226F7.4080904 at colbyconsulting.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > >AFAIK it shouldn't matter where it resides when it is >registered. Registering provides the >indirection to allow your app to just call the DLL. The registry >then "figures out" where the DLL >is actually located. > >John W. Colby >Colby Consulting > >Reality is what refuses to go away >when you do not believe in it > >On 9/13/2012 1:57 PM, Tony Septav wrote: > > Hey All > > > > Just bought a new machine, came with Windows 7. A client asked > me to update > > an application we have been constantly updating for the last 10 > years. What > > was MicroSoft thinking. A lot of my code and MicroSoft ActiveX controls > > don't work anymore. I used the Common Dialog, ImageList and TreeView > > controls (God help me what else). I had to download the ComCtl32.ocx and > > ComDlg32.ocx because they do not come with Windows 7. Now I am having no > > luck registering these items in the Windows/System32 folder. A couple of > > (online) recommendations suggested they should be placed in the > > \Windows\SysWow64 folder and then registered, My question is, on > the clients > > older machines they will not have a SysWow64 folder. Any suggestions how I > > can register these files from the System32 folder??? > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > Tony Septav > > > > Nanaimo,BC > > > > > > Robert L. Stewart www.WeBeDb.com www.DBGUIDesign.com www.RLStewartPhotography.com From df.waters at comcast.net Thu Sep 13 15:46:51 2012 From: df.waters at comcast.net (Dan Waters) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2012 15:46:51 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Windows 7 In-Reply-To: <201209131857.q8DIv54F032071@databaseadvisors.com> References: <002f01cd91dc$34342e40$9c9c8ac0$@comcast.net> <201209131857.q8DIv54F032071@databaseadvisors.com> Message-ID: <003c01cd91f0$e6f6b980$b4e42c80$@comcast.net> Hmmm - that did work on my PC. Good luck! Dan -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tony Septav Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2012 1:57 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Windows 7 Hey Dan Thanks, but I must doing something wrong. For a 64 bit PC Type in: C:\windows\sysWOW64\regsvr32.exe "C:\windows\system32\comctl32.ocx" (with quotes) and push OK. I still get a failed message, got to do some more testing. Thanks Again -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters Sent: September-13-12 1:19 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Windows 7 Hi Tony, Your new PC is 64 bit (if it was 32 bit it wouldn't have a sysWOW64 folder). Because the two files are 32 bit, they need to be registered with the regsvr32.exe file that is found in the sysWOW64 folder. The regsvr32.exe file in syswow64 is for registering 32 bit files, while the regsvr32.exe file that is in the system32 folder will register 64 bit files. This of course sounds backwards, but you can search for the full explanation. Put your two files in the system32 folder. Open the Run dialog. For a 64 bit PC Type in: C:\windows\sysWOW64\regsvr32.exe "C:\windows\system32\comctl32.ocx" (with quotes) and push OK. For a 32 bit PC Type in: C:\windows\system32\regsvr32.exe "C:\windows\system32\comctl32.ocx" (with quotes) and push OK. Hope this works! Dan -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tony Septav Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2012 12:57 PM To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com Subject: [AccessD] Windows 7 Hey All Just bought a new machine, came with Windows 7. A client asked me to update an application we have been constantly updating for the last 10 years. What was MicroSoft thinking. A lot of my code and MicroSoft ActiveX controls don't work anymore. I used the Common Dialog, ImageList and TreeView controls (God help me what else). I had to download the ComCtl32.ocx and ComDlg32.ocx because they do not come with Windows 7. Now I am having no luck registering these items in the Windows/System32 folder. A couple of (online) recommendations suggested they should be placed in the \Windows\SysWow64 folder and then registered, My question is, on the clients older machines they will not have a SysWow64 folder. Any suggestions how I can register these files from the System32 folder??? Thanks Tony Septav Nanaimo,BC -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2221 / Virus Database: 2437/5266 - Release Date: 09/13/12 -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From BradM at blackforestltd.com Thu Sep 13 15:58:43 2012 From: BradM at blackforestltd.com (Brad Marks) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2012 15:58:43 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Windows 7 References: <002f01cd91dc$34342e40$9c9c8ac0$@comcast.net><201209131857.q8DIv54F032071@databaseadvisors.com> <003c01cd91f0$e6f6b980$b4e42c80$@comcast.net> Message-ID: Most of you probably already know about this ODBC issue, but just in case, I will post it anyway. We recently purchased two new PCs with Windows 7 (64 bit). All of our PCs use 32-bit ODBC to connect to a Pervasive database and a Firebird database. To set up the 32-Bit ODBC connections on the new PCs, we had to initiate the ODBC setup from "%windir%\SysWOW64\odbcad32.exe" Below is a link to Microsoft's site for more info (see the section called "Workaround") http://support.microsoft.com/kb/942976 Brad ~~~~~~~~~~~~ -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2012 3:47 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Windows 7 Hmmm - that did work on my PC. Good luck! Dan -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tony Septav Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2012 1:57 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Windows 7 Hey Dan Thanks, but I must doing something wrong. For a 64 bit PC Type in: C:\windows\sysWOW64\regsvr32.exe "C:\windows\system32\comctl32.ocx" (with quotes) and push OK. I still get a failed message, got to do some more testing. Thanks Again -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters Sent: September-13-12 1:19 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Windows 7 Hi Tony, Your new PC is 64 bit (if it was 32 bit it wouldn't have a sysWOW64 folder). Because the two files are 32 bit, they need to be registered with the regsvr32.exe file that is found in the sysWOW64 folder. The regsvr32.exe file in syswow64 is for registering 32 bit files, while the regsvr32.exe file that is in the system32 folder will register 64 bit files. This of course sounds backwards, but you can search for the full explanation. Put your two files in the system32 folder. Open the Run dialog. For a 64 bit PC Type in: C:\windows\sysWOW64\regsvr32.exe "C:\windows\system32\comctl32.ocx" (with quotes) and push OK. For a 32 bit PC Type in: C:\windows\system32\regsvr32.exe "C:\windows\system32\comctl32.ocx" (with quotes) and push OK. Hope this works! Dan -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tony Septav Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2012 12:57 PM To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com Subject: [AccessD] Windows 7 Hey All Just bought a new machine, came with Windows 7. A client asked me to update an application we have been constantly updating for the last 10 years. What was MicroSoft thinking. A lot of my code and MicroSoft ActiveX controls don't work anymore. I used the Common Dialog, ImageList and TreeView controls (God help me what else). I had to download the ComCtl32.ocx and ComDlg32.ocx because they do not come with Windows 7. Now I am having no luck registering these items in the Windows/System32 folder. A couple of (online) recommendations suggested they should be placed in the \Windows\SysWow64 folder and then registered, My question is, on the clients older machines they will not have a SysWow64 folder. Any suggestions how I can register these files from the System32 folder??? Thanks Tony Septav Nanaimo,BC -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2221 / Virus Database: 2437/5266 - Release Date: 09/13/12 -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. From TSeptav at Uniserve.com Thu Sep 13 16:25:17 2012 From: TSeptav at Uniserve.com (Tony Septav) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2012 16:25:17 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Windows 7 In-Reply-To: <003c01cd91f0$e6f6b980$b4e42c80$@comcast.net> Message-ID: <201209132125.q8DLPJOu031305@databaseadvisors.com> Hey Dan and Michael Still working on registering my ActiveX controls, my problem and I will have to solve it. But..... It just bugs me that Microsoft would pull something as stupid as this and forget about their developers. I am finding there a lot of VB Basic developers also that are experiencing the same problem with quirks in Windows 7. I may have to take the advice of a friend and switch to Apple (didn't think I would ever say that). -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters Sent: September-13-12 3:47 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Windows 7 Hmmm - that did work on my PC. Good luck! Dan -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tony Septav Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2012 1:57 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Windows 7 Hey Dan Thanks, but I must doing something wrong. For a 64 bit PC Type in: C:\windows\sysWOW64\regsvr32.exe "C:\windows\system32\comctl32.ocx" (with quotes) and push OK. I still get a failed message, got to do some more testing. Thanks Again -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters Sent: September-13-12 1:19 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Windows 7 Hi Tony, Your new PC is 64 bit (if it was 32 bit it wouldn't have a sysWOW64 folder). Because the two files are 32 bit, they need to be registered with the regsvr32.exe file that is found in the sysWOW64 folder. The regsvr32.exe file in syswow64 is for registering 32 bit files, while the regsvr32.exe file that is in the system32 folder will register 64 bit files. This of course sounds backwards, but you can search for the full explanation. Put your two files in the system32 folder. Open the Run dialog. For a 64 bit PC Type in: C:\windows\sysWOW64\regsvr32.exe "C:\windows\system32\comctl32.ocx" (with quotes) and push OK. For a 32 bit PC Type in: C:\windows\system32\regsvr32.exe "C:\windows\system32\comctl32.ocx" (with quotes) and push OK. Hope this works! Dan -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tony Septav Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2012 12:57 PM To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com Subject: [AccessD] Windows 7 Hey All Just bought a new machine, came with Windows 7. A client asked me to update an application we have been constantly updating for the last 10 years. What was MicroSoft thinking. A lot of my code and MicroSoft ActiveX controls don't work anymore. I used the Common Dialog, ImageList and TreeView controls (God help me what else). I had to download the ComCtl32.ocx and ComDlg32.ocx because they do not come with Windows 7. Now I am having no luck registering these items in the Windows/System32 folder. A couple of (online) recommendations suggested they should be placed in the \Windows\SysWow64 folder and then registered, My question is, on the clients older machines they will not have a SysWow64 folder. Any suggestions how I can register these files from the System32 folder??? Thanks Tony Septav Nanaimo,BC -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com ----- No virus found in this message. 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Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2221 / Virus Database: 2437/5266 - Release Date: 09/13/12 From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Thu Sep 13 17:15:59 2012 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2012 08:15:59 +1000 Subject: [AccessD] Apollo Guidance Computer - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia In-Reply-To: <000f01cd91d5$2d5996c0$880cc440$@net> References: <5051DB2F.9030300@colbyconsulting.com>, <000f01cd91d5$2d5996c0$880cc440$@net> Message-ID: <50525B1F.20380.6D56C002@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> A lot easier that using Assembler on a modern processor - or even on the Z80 that I started with. Not nearly as many instructions to remember :-) -- Stuart On 13 Sep 2012 at 13:28, Mark Simms wrote: > Suddenly...VBA is so simple. I can't imagine programming that device. > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Thu Sep 13 17:16:39 2012 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2012 08:16:39 +1000 Subject: [AccessD] What I Wish In-Reply-To: <001001cd91d5$aa5ee620$ff1cb260$@net> References: , , <001001cd91d5$aa5ee620$ff1cb260$@net> Message-ID: <50525B47.3980.6D575C8F@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> What addin? -- Stuart On 13 Sep 2012 at 13:31, Mark Simms wrote: > Wish I had the source to this addin; also, wish I could contact the original > developer....his email just bounces. > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Thu Sep 13 17:32:53 2012 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2012 08:32:53 +1000 Subject: [AccessD] Windows 7 In-Reply-To: <201209132125.q8DLPJOu031305@databaseadvisors.com> References: <003c01cd91f0$e6f6b980$b4e42c80$@comcast.net>, <201209132125.q8DLPJOu031305@databaseadvisors.com> Message-ID: <50525F15.27328.6D663763@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> My solution would be (actually is): Stay with Windows, but avoid ActiveX like the plague and switch to PowerBasic as your development environment and/or switch to Android (with Basic4Android). Personally, I have no intention of switching to Apple - it's even more restrictive that MS. -- Stuart On 13 Sep 2012 at 16:25, Tony Septav wrote: > quirks in Windows 7. I may have to take the advice of a friend and switch to > Apple (didn't think I would ever say that). > From vbacreations at gmail.com Thu Sep 13 17:51:14 2012 From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2012 18:51:14 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] What I Wish In-Reply-To: <50525B47.3980.6D575C8F@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: <001001cd91d5$aa5ee620$ff1cb260$@net> <50525B47.3980.6D575C8F@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: Has to be. Mztools that is what we were discussing earlier? On Sep 13, 2012 6:17 PM, "Stuart McLachlan" wrote: > What addin? > > -- > Stuart > > On 13 Sep 2012 at 13:31, Mark Simms wrote: > > > Wish I had the source to this addin; also, wish I could contact the > original > > developer....his email just bounces. > > > > > > > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From garykjos at gmail.com Thu Sep 13 18:38:43 2012 From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2012 18:38:43 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Windows 7 In-Reply-To: <50525F15.27328.6D663763@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: <003c01cd91f0$e6f6b980$b4e42c80$@comcast.net> <201209132125.q8DLPJOu031305@databaseadvisors.com> <50525F15.27328.6D663763@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: I think a lot of developers use VM's for this reason too don't they? GK On Thu, Sep 13, 2012 at 5:32 PM, Stuart McLachlan wrote: > My solution would be (actually is): > > Stay with Windows, but avoid ActiveX like the plague and switch to > PowerBasic as your > development environment and/or switch to Android (with Basic4Android). > > Personally, I have no intention of switching to Apple - it's even more > restrictive that MS. > > > -- > Stuart > > On 13 Sep 2012 at 16:25, Tony Septav wrote: > > > quirks in Windows 7. I may have to take the advice of a friend and > switch to > > Apple (didn't think I would ever say that). > > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Gary Kjos garykjos at gmail.com From davidmcafee at gmail.com Thu Sep 13 18:53:37 2012 From: davidmcafee at gmail.com (David McAfee) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2012 16:53:37 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Windows 7 In-Reply-To: References: <003c01cd91f0$e6f6b980$b4e42c80$@comcast.net> <201209132125.q8DLPJOu031305@databaseadvisors.com> <50525F15.27328.6D663763@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: Windows 7 mobile, is the reason is started learning Android. I want to learn to program for the iPhone, but the thing that irks me about them is the development cost. If I want to write a program for myself I have to pay $99 per year for a development license to place that app on my own phone. If I don't renew my license, that app dies the next year. I am able to write as many Android apps for myself or friends. I can give them away for free. I only have to pay the $25 developer license fee if I decide on putting my apps on the market. The Apple license allows you to register 99 or 100 devices for the year, but it still has to be renewed, or their app dies. I have several friends that want me to write them simple little iPhone apps, but at that price and limit, I've decided not to for the time being. David > > On Thu, Sep 13, 2012 at 5:32 PM, Stuart McLachlan >wrote: > > > My solution would be (actually is): > > > > Stay with Windows, but avoid ActiveX like the plague and switch to > > PowerBasic as your > > development environment and/or switch to Android (with Basic4Android). > > > > Personally, I have no intention of switching to Apple - it's even more > > restrictive that MS. > > > > > > -- > > Stuart > > > > On 13 Sep 2012 at 16:25, Tony Septav wrote: > > > > > quirks in Windows 7. I may have to take the advice of a friend and > > switch to > > > Apple (didn't think I would ever say that). > > > > > > From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Thu Sep 13 18:57:59 2012 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2012 09:57:59 +1000 Subject: [AccessD] What I Wish In-Reply-To: References: , <50525B47.3980.6D575C8F@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>, Message-ID: <50527307.15419.6DB42107@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> In that case, try the web contact form: http://www.mztools.com/contact.aspx -- Stuart On 13 Sep 2012 at 18:51, William Benson wrote: > Has to be. Mztools that is what we were discussing earlier? > On Sep 13, 2012 6:17 PM, "Stuart McLachlan" wrote: > > > What addin? > > > > -- > > Stuart > > > > On 13 Sep 2012 at 13:31, Mark Simms wrote: > > > > > Wish I had the source to this addin; also, wish I could contact the > > original > > > developer....his email just bounces. > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > AccessD mailing list > > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From gustav at cactus.dk Fri Sep 14 02:06:06 2012 From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2012 09:06:06 +0200 Subject: [AccessD] Apollo Guidance Computer - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Message-ID: Hi John Yes, and do you remember that a major success criteria for OS/2 was if it would run in 4 MB? It didn't for any real purpose; 8 MB was needed and I had a 486 beefed with 16 MB to make it fly(!). /gustav >>> jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com 13-09-12 22:12 >>> LOL, yep, most likely 4 megs or maaaybe 16 megs maximum. My 386 that I bought in 1988 had 4 megs and it eventually ran Windows 3.0. John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it On 9/13/2012 3:12 PM, Rocky Smolin wrote: > More than me apparently because for the life of me I can't remember. It > does have both 5 1/4 and 3 1/2 inch floppy drives, tough. And is strictly a > DOS box. > > R > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby > Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2012 11:44 AM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Apollo Guidance Computer - Wikipedia,the free > encyclopedia > > Yea, except in those days 16 mbytes was a monster machine. Who would ever > need more than that? > > How much memory does it have Rocky? > > John W. Colby > Colby Consulting > > Reality is what refuses to go away > when you do not believe in it > > On 9/13/2012 12:23 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote: >> Which means you are not going to throw it out. >> >> Just install a version of Linux on the box and the old beater is now a >> server suitable for rack mounting and networking. >> >> Jim >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky >> Smolin >> Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2012 9:09 AM >> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' >> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Apollo Guidance Computer - Wikipedia,the free >> encyclopedia >> >> I've still got a 486 in the garage. Fine machine. Still works. >> >> R From tinanfields at torchlake.com Fri Sep 14 03:27:13 2012 From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields) Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2012 04:27:13 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Apollo Guidance Computer - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia In-Reply-To: <5D81250C01FC4F61911FB348B50E18D0@HAL9007> References: <5051DB2F.9030300@colbyconsulting.com> <8ad51864-c5f3-4c7b-a128-e0aafa1a0afa@blur> <5D81250C01FC4F61911FB348B50E18D0@HAL9007> Message-ID: <5052EA61.1050300@torchlake.com> Nuts! I knew I shouldn't have let go of mine. I also got talked into parting with my Commodore 128, my "luggable" 286 with the LED screen and 40Mb hard drive, my 386, and the K-pro I got from my uncle. Darn, I could have had my own computer graveyard down in the old cellar. T Tina Norris Fields tinanfields at torchlake.com 231-322-2787 On 9/13/2012 12:08 PM, Rocky Smolin wrote: > I've still got a 486 in the garage. Fine machine. Still works. > > R > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Goodhall > Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2012 8:51 AM > To: Access Developers discussion and problemsolving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Apollo Guidance Computer - Wikipedia,the free > encyclopedia > > Right. I have a space in the basement that my wife refers to (not > affectionately) as The Computer Graveyard. > > Steve Goodhall, MSCS, PMP > > -----Original message----- > From: Jim Lawrence > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > > Sent: Thu, Sep 13, 2012 15:44:14 GMT+00:00 > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Apollo Guidance Computer - Wikipedia, the free > encyclopedia > > You have talked me into it I have to through out some of my old computers. > > Jim > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby > Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2012 6:10 AM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: [AccessD] Apollo Guidance Computer - Wikipedia,the free > encyclopedia > > And all you iPhone nerds think you got it bad... > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollo_Guidance_Computer > > -- > John W. Colby > Colby Consulting > > Reality is what refuses to go away > when you do not believe in it > > From BradM at blackforestltd.com Fri Sep 14 08:48:26 2012 From: BradM at blackforestltd.com (Brad Marks) Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2012 08:48:26 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Query Too Complex References: , <50525B47.3980.6D575C8F@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>, <50527307.15419.6DB42107@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: All, I ran into something this week that I have never seen before. I have a small Access 2007 reporting application that is pulling data from a Firebird database via ODBC. One of the reports in the Access application has a Union query as its data source. I have run multiple tests with the query it it works nicely. I ran multiple tests of the report and it worked nicely at first. In reviewing the report with one of our users, it was suggested that there was a field on the report that was not needed. When I simply removed this one field from the report, I started receiving a "Query Too Complex" error. If I put the field back in the report, the error goes away. When I remove the field, the "Query Too Complex" error surfaces again. I am very puzzled by this. I can open the query by itself and it works fine. When I try to open the report (when the field in question is removed), I receive the error. I don't understand what happens behind the scenes when a report is opened. Is the SQL in a query somehow changed when a report is opened? I have now included the field on the report as "not visible" as a "work around", but I would really like to understand what is causing this strange situation. Thanks, Brad From charlotte.foust at gmail.com Fri Sep 14 09:41:48 2012 From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust) Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2012 07:41:48 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Query Too Complex In-Reply-To: References: <50525B47.3980.6D575C8F@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <50527307.15419.6DB42107@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: You get that message sometimes but it usually doesn't mean what it says. It's an indication that there's something wrong in the query or in the report. I'd recommend saving the SQL to text, creating a new query and trying that. I firmly believe from my own experience that queries sometime collect binary junk that causes them to malfunction. If the query runs as a query but not when you run the report, it may mean you're running into internal overflows in some way. Reports don't just run the queries they're based on. Temporary copies of the queries are run on the wing and you get layers of queries hogging the processor. I've seen the error on a simple select query based on a table where all the fields were set to the maximum 255 char size. So the short answer is rebuild the query. Charlotte Foust On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 at 6:48 AM, Brad Marks wrote: > All, > > I ran into something this week that I have never seen before. > > I have a small Access 2007 reporting application that is pulling data from > a Firebird database via ODBC. > > One of the reports in the Access application has a Union query as its data > source. > > I have run multiple tests with the query it it works nicely. > > I ran multiple tests of the report and it worked nicely at first. In > reviewing the report with one of our users, it was suggested that there was > a field on the report that was not needed. > > When I simply removed this one field from the report, I started receiving > a "Query Too Complex" error. > > If I put the field back in the report, the error goes away. When I remove > the field, the "Query Too Complex" error surfaces again. > > I am very puzzled by this. I can open the query by itself and it works > fine. When I try to open the report (when the field in question is > removed), I receive the error. > > I don't understand what happens behind the scenes when a report is opened. > Is the SQL in a query somehow changed when a report is opened? > > I have now included the field on the report as "not visible" as a "work > around", but I would really like to understand what is causing this strange > situation. > > Thanks, > Brad > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > From jimdettman at verizon.net Fri Sep 14 10:01:29 2012 From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman) Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2012 11:01:29 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Query Too Complex In-Reply-To: References: , <50525B47.3980.6D575C8F@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>, <50527307.15419.6DB42107@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <203CFFE504E9482892729BA748EB3A00@XPS> <> Yes. Check the sorting and grouping options in the report. Also, the filter by and order on if your using them. Jim. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brad Marks Sent: Friday, September 14, 2012 09:48 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: [AccessD] Query Too Complex All, I ran into something this week that I have never seen before. I have a small Access 2007 reporting application that is pulling data from a Firebird database via ODBC. One of the reports in the Access application has a Union query as its data source. I have run multiple tests with the query it it works nicely. I ran multiple tests of the report and it worked nicely at first. In reviewing the report with one of our users, it was suggested that there was a field on the report that was not needed. When I simply removed this one field from the report, I started receiving a "Query Too Complex" error. If I put the field back in the report, the error goes away. When I remove the field, the "Query Too Complex" error surfaces again. I am very puzzled by this. I can open the query by itself and it works fine. When I try to open the report (when the field in question is removed), I receive the error. I don't understand what happens behind the scenes when a report is opened. Is the SQL in a query somehow changed when a report is opened? I have now included the field on the report as "not visible" as a "work around", but I would really like to understand what is causing this strange situation. Thanks, Brad From accessd at shaw.ca Fri Sep 14 10:31:01 2012 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2012 08:31:01 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Query Too Complex In-Reply-To: References: <50525B47.3980.6D575C8F@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg><50527307.15419.6DB42107@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <38FAB83A68D74496B43DE12D7AED7A4E@creativesystemdesigns.com> Just a note: A number of years ago ran into some odd query and report related problem and just could not solve it in the traditional way. I finally had the app re-write the query script each time, the report was run and just changed the recordsource. That worked. Jim -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust Sent: Friday, September 14, 2012 7:42 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Query Too Complex You get that message sometimes but it usually doesn't mean what it says. It's an indication that there's something wrong in the query or in the report. I'd recommend saving the SQL to text, creating a new query and trying that. I firmly believe from my own experience that queries sometime collect binary junk that causes them to malfunction. If the query runs as a query but not when you run the report, it may mean you're running into internal overflows in some way. Reports don't just run the queries they're based on. Temporary copies of the queries are run on the wing and you get layers of queries hogging the processor. I've seen the error on a simple select query based on a table where all the fields were set to the maximum 255 char size. So the short answer is rebuild the query. Charlotte Foust On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 at 6:48 AM, Brad Marks wrote: > All, > > I ran into something this week that I have never seen before. > > I have a small Access 2007 reporting application that is pulling data from > a Firebird database via ODBC. > > One of the reports in the Access application has a Union query as its data > source. > > I have run multiple tests with the query it it works nicely. > > I ran multiple tests of the report and it worked nicely at first. In > reviewing the report with one of our users, it was suggested that there was > a field on the report that was not needed. > > When I simply removed this one field from the report, I started receiving > a "Query Too Complex" error. > > If I put the field back in the report, the error goes away. When I remove > the field, the "Query Too Complex" error surfaces again. > > I am very puzzled by this. I can open the query by itself and it works > fine. When I try to open the report (when the field in question is > removed), I receive the error. > > I don't understand what happens behind the scenes when a report is opened. > Is the SQL in a query somehow changed when a report is opened? > > I have now included the field on the report as "not visible" as a "work > around", but I would really like to understand what is causing this strange > situation. > > Thanks, > Brad > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From mcp2004 at mail.ru Fri Sep 14 10:33:46 2012 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=) Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2012 19:33:46 +0400 Subject: [AccessD] =?utf-8?q?OT=3A_iPhone/iPad_development_on_an_MS_Window?= =?utf-8?q?s_PC_-_no_way=3F?= Message-ID: <1347636826.783194936@f100.mail.ru> Hi All -- I do like my Windows Phone 7.5(:)) and it has a set of features, which are good enough for me currently, I like Windows 7 and as I have written here several times I have no any objections on new "Metro" UI for coming Windows 8: desktop, tablet, phone. I suppose I'm rather effective VS2010/C#/... developer, my customers like my work... ... but it ?....?"seems that the future of Windows development is happening largely for corporate environments and customers. I don?t take issue with this other than being someone who doesn?t live or work inside a corporate environment at home..." (source: "50 Reasons to Switch from Microsoft Windows to Apple?s Mac OS X" -?http://chris.pirillo.com/50-reasons-to-switch-from-microsoft-windows-to-apples-mac-os-x/)... ... IOW I do plan to start learning iPhone/iPad (and Android) custom development really soon and I have to find what is the most effective yet as affordable as possible combination of hardware and software to keep both MS Windows (desktop, Phone, tablet) and iPhone/iPad and Android development... I suppose that getting a Mac instead of a PC is unavoidable but should I additionally have an MS Windows driven box/laptop or running MS Windows with Visual Studio on Mac under VMWare Fusion or Parallels is as speedy as running MS Windows and Visual Studio on a "bare Intel processor metal"? Does anybody here have a real life experience of MS WIndows development on a Mac? Please advise. FYI: Some more links on the OT subject: A hardcore Windows guy gets a Mac http://www.davidalison.com/2008/02/hardcore-windows-guy-switches-to-mac.html iPhone Development On Windows ? 7 Options http://maniacdev.com/2010/01/iphone-development-windows-options-available/ iPhone development on Windows http://stackoverflow.com/questions/113547/iphone-development-on-windows http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=537583 Thank you. -- Shamil? From dbdoug at gmail.com Fri Sep 14 11:43:40 2012 From: dbdoug at gmail.com (Doug Steele) Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2012 09:43:40 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] OT: iPhone/iPad development on an MS Windows PC - no way? In-Reply-To: <1347636826.783194936@f100.mail.ru> References: <1347636826.783194936@f100.mail.ru> Message-ID: Hi Shamil: You can always use Bootcamp which effectively runs Windows directly on a Mac. I've got a fairly new Macbook Pro - 2.3ghz I5, 8gb ram. I just did some quick timing tests opening an A2003 database and running a big report. I also did the same on my older 2.66ghz Core2 Duo 4gb Windows 7 32bit box. I just counted off the time manually, so this is pretty rough. But repeatedly running the same report on Bootcamp (32 bit Windows 7), in Parallels (64 bit Windows 7) and on the Windows machine all seemed to take the same time - about 12 seconds on all versions. Psychologically at least, my experience with using all 3 approaches is that I can't tell the difference. Doug On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 at 8:33 AM, Salakhetdinov Shamil wrote: > Hi All -- > > I do like my Windows Phone 7.5(:)) and it has a set of features, which are > good enough for me currently, I like Windows 7 and as I have written here > several times I have no any objections on new "Metro" UI for coming Windows > 8: desktop, tablet, phone. I suppose I'm rather effective VS2010/C#/... > developer, my customers like my work... > > ... but it .... "seems that the future of Windows development is > happening largely for corporate environments and customers. I don?t take > issue with this other than being someone who doesn?t live or work inside a > corporate environment at home..." (source: "50 Reasons to Switch from > Microsoft Windows to Apple?s Mac OS X" - > http://chris.pirillo.com/50-reasons-to-switch-from-microsoft-windows-to-apples-mac-os-x/). > .. > > ... IOW I do plan to start learning iPhone/iPad (and Android) custom > development really soon and I have to find what is the most effective yet > as affordable as possible combination of hardware and software to keep both > MS Windows (desktop, Phone, tablet) and iPhone/iPad and Android > development... > > I suppose that getting a Mac instead of a PC is unavoidable but should I > additionally have an MS Windows driven box/laptop or running MS Windows > with Visual Studio on Mac under VMWare Fusion or Parallels is as speedy as > running MS Windows and Visual Studio on a "bare Intel processor metal"? > Does anybody here have a real life experience of MS WIndows development on > a Mac? Please advise. > > FYI: Some more links on the OT subject: > > A hardcore Windows guy gets a Mac > > http://www.davidalison.com/2008/02/hardcore-windows-guy-switches-to-mac.html > iPhone Development On Windows ? 7 Options > http://maniacdev.com/2010/01/iphone-development-windows-options-available/ > iPhone development on Windows > http://stackoverflow.com/questions/113547/iphone-development-on-windows > http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=537583 > Thank you. > > -- Shamil > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Fri Sep 14 12:07:48 2012 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2012 10:07:48 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Bootcamp or Paralells - was RE: OT: iPhone/iPad development on an MS Windows PC - noway? In-Reply-To: References: <1347636826.783194936@f100.mail.ru> Message-ID: <9707B5DE286349489691C237BB95B531@HAL9007> If I want to run my commercial app on a Mac and recommend how to do it to clients who want to use Mac but run my app, which is better - Bootcamp or Parallels? Rocky -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Doug Steele Sent: Friday, September 14, 2012 9:44 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: iPhone/iPad development on an MS Windows PC - noway? Hi Shamil: You can always use Bootcamp which effectively runs Windows directly on a Mac. I've got a fairly new Macbook Pro - 2.3ghz I5, 8gb ram. I just did some quick timing tests opening an A2003 database and running a big report. I also did the same on my older 2.66ghz Core2 Duo 4gb Windows 7 32bit box. I just counted off the time manually, so this is pretty rough. But repeatedly running the same report on Bootcamp (32 bit Windows 7), in Parallels (64 bit Windows 7) and on the Windows machine all seemed to take the same time - about 12 seconds on all versions. Psychologically at least, my experience with using all 3 approaches is that I can't tell the difference. Doug On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 at 8:33 AM, Salakhetdinov Shamil wrote: > Hi All -- > > I do like my Windows Phone 7.5(:)) and it has a set of features, which > are good enough for me currently, I like Windows 7 and as I have > written here several times I have no any objections on new "Metro" UI > for coming Windows > 8: desktop, tablet, phone. I suppose I'm rather effective VS2010/C#/... > developer, my customers like my work... > > ... but it .... "seems that the future of Windows development is > happening largely for corporate environments and customers. I don't > take issue with this other than being someone who doesn't live or work > inside a corporate environment at home..." (source: "50 Reasons to > Switch from Microsoft Windows to Apple's Mac OS X" - > http://chris.pirillo.com/50-reasons-to-switch-from-microsoft-windows-to-appl es-mac-os-x/). > .. > > ... IOW I do plan to start learning iPhone/iPad (and Android) custom > development really soon and I have to find what is the most effective > yet as affordable as possible combination of hardware and software to > keep both MS Windows (desktop, Phone, tablet) and iPhone/iPad and > Android development... > > I suppose that getting a Mac instead of a PC is unavoidable but should > I additionally have an MS Windows driven box/laptop or running MS > Windows with Visual Studio on Mac under VMWare Fusion or Parallels is > as speedy as running MS Windows and Visual Studio on a "bare Intel processor metal"? > Does anybody here have a real life experience of MS WIndows > development on a Mac? Please advise. > > FYI: Some more links on the OT subject: > > A hardcore Windows guy gets a Mac > > http://www.davidalison.com/2008/02/hardcore-windows-guy-switches-to-ma > c.html iPhone Development On Windows - 7 Options > http://maniacdev.com/2010/01/iphone-development-windows-options-availa > ble/ > iPhone development on Windows > http://stackoverflow.com/questions/113547/iphone-development-on-window > s > http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=537583 > Thank you. > > -- Shamil > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From TSeptav at Uniserve.com Fri Sep 14 12:09:02 2012 From: TSeptav at Uniserve.com (Tony Septav) Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2012 12:09:02 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Active X Controls Message-ID: <201209141709.q8EH94Ei000483@databaseadvisors.com> Hey All Still having problems installing the ActiveX controls. Can anyone send me the ComCtl.32ocx and ComDlg32.ocx files that work on your Windows 7 64 bit machine? TSeptav at Uniserve.com Stuart Got a little off track with the Apple platform. I have been looking at purchasing (for the last month) the Basic4Android package. What are your opinions on the package. Thanks All Tony Septav Nanaimo, BC Canada An Aside Many times over the years l always thought this group should collaborate on a project. But I think to many egos would kill it. From mcp2004 at mail.ru Fri Sep 14 12:29:10 2012 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=) Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2012 21:29:10 +0400 Subject: [AccessD] =?utf-8?q?OT=3A_iPhone/iPad_development_on_an_MS_Window?= =?utf-8?q?s_PC_-_no_way=3F?= In-Reply-To: References: <1347636826.783194936@f100.mail.ru> Message-ID: <1347643750.73001786@f363.mail.ru> Hi Doug -- Thank you for sharing your experience. I'm planning to purchase a MacBook Pro 17'', i7 (Ivy Bridge), 16(?)GB - anybody here have got something like that already? Yes, that may sound as "burning money" but I need such a "toy" for both iPhone/iPad and MS Windows/Phone/Tablet + Visual Studio 2010/2012 + MS Office Pro + ... development and I wanted to be mobile, I mean being able to develop software using the same laptop/system at home/office, or in my village home, or on the road :), etc. and I'm partially keeping such a development practice using my current 5 years old DELL Inspiron 9400 (of course no way for iPhone/iPad development on it) ?- so ?I'm expecting that investing in a MacBook Pro 17", i7,... should pay back well in a coming 5 years period... ...and five years later Visual Studio and MS Office Pro and iPhone/iPad ASK/development tools... should be affordable to run on a "cloud" I guess so then a simple netbook with a large external display or just a Windows Phone with such an external display/projector + external keyboard would be "all a developer would need to be effective..." :)? Thank you. -- Shamil Fri, 14 Sep 2012 09:43:40 -0700 ?? Doug Steele : > > > > >Hi Shamil: > > You can always use Bootcamp which effectively runs Windows directly on a > Mac. > > I've got a fairly new Macbook Pro - 2.3ghz I5, 8gb ram. I just did some > quick timing tests opening an A2003 database and running a big report. I > also did the same on my older 2.66ghz Core2 Duo 4gb Windows 7 32bit box. > > I just counted off the time manually, so this is pretty rough. But > repeatedly running the same report on Bootcamp (32 bit Windows 7), in > Parallels (64 bit Windows 7) and on the Windows machine all seemed to take > the same time - about 12 seconds on all versions. > > Psychologically at least, my experience with using all 3 approaches is that > I can't tell the difference. > > Doug > > On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 at 8:33 AM, Salakhetdinov Shamil wrote: > > > Hi All -- > > > > I do like my Windows Phone 7.5(:)) and it has a set of features, which are > > good enough for me currently, I like Windows 7 and as I have written here > > several times I have no any objections on new "Metro" UI for coming Windows > > 8: desktop, tablet, phone. I suppose I'm rather effective VS2010/C#/... > > developer, my customers like my work... > > > > ... but it .... "seems that the future of Windows development is > > happening largely for corporate environments and customers. I don?t take > > issue with this other than being someone who doesn?t live or work inside a > > corporate environment at home..." (source: "50 Reasons to Switch from > > Microsoft Windows to Apple?s Mac OS X" - > > http://chris.pirillo.com/50-reasons-to-switch-from-microsoft-windows-to-apples-mac-os-x/). > > .. > > > > ... IOW I do plan to start learning iPhone/iPad (and Android) custom > > development really soon and I have to find what is the most effective yet > > as affordable as possible combination of hardware and software to keep both > > MS Windows (desktop, Phone, tablet) and iPhone/iPad and Android > > development... > > > > I suppose that getting a Mac instead of a PC is unavoidable but should I > > additionally have an MS Windows driven box/laptop or running MS Windows > > with Visual Studio on Mac under VMWare Fusion or Parallels is as speedy as > > running MS Windows and Visual Studio on a "bare Intel processor metal"? > > Does anybody here have a real life experience of MS WIndows development on > > a Mac? Please advise. > > > > FYI: Some more links on the OT subject: > > > > A hardcore Windows guy gets a Mac > > > > http://www.davidalison.com/2008/02/hardcore-windows-guy-switches-to-mac.html > > iPhone Development On Windows ? 7 Options > > http://maniacdev.com/2010/01/iphone-development-windows-options-available/ > > iPhone development on Windows > > http://stackoverflow.com/questions/113547/iphone-development-on-windows > > http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=537583 > > Thank you. > > > > -- Shamil > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- > AccessD mailing list >AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Fri Sep 14 12:29:04 2012 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2012 13:29:04 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Bootcamp or Paralells - was RE: OT: iPhone/iPad development on an MS Windows PC - noway? In-Reply-To: <9707B5DE286349489691C237BB95B531@HAL9007> References: <1347636826.783194936@f100.mail.ru> <9707B5DE286349489691C237BB95B531@HAL9007> Message-ID: <50536960.40907@colbyconsulting.com> Bootcamp requires selecting which OS to boot into, i.e. only one of the OSes is available at the time. Parallels runs Windows7 (or other OS) in a VM under the Mac and thus both are available "simultaneously" which is less intrusive if you ask me. John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it On 9/14/2012 1:07 PM, Rocky Smolin wrote: > If I want to run my commercial app on a Mac and recommend how to do it to > clients who want to use Mac but run my app, which is better - Bootcamp or > Parallels? > > Rocky > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Doug Steele > Sent: Friday, September 14, 2012 9:44 AM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: iPhone/iPad development on an MS Windows PC - > noway? > > Hi Shamil: > > You can always use Bootcamp which effectively runs Windows directly on a > Mac. > > I've got a fairly new Macbook Pro - 2.3ghz I5, 8gb ram. I just did some > quick timing tests opening an A2003 database and running a big report. I > also did the same on my older 2.66ghz Core2 Duo 4gb Windows 7 32bit box. > > I just counted off the time manually, so this is pretty rough. But > repeatedly running the same report on Bootcamp (32 bit Windows 7), in > Parallels (64 bit Windows 7) and on the Windows machine all seemed to take > the same time - about 12 seconds on all versions. > > Psychologically at least, my experience with using all 3 approaches is that > I can't tell the difference. > > Doug > > On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 at 8:33 AM, Salakhetdinov Shamil > wrote: > >> Hi All -- >> >> I do like my Windows Phone 7.5(:)) and it has a set of features, which >> are good enough for me currently, I like Windows 7 and as I have >> written here several times I have no any objections on new "Metro" UI >> for coming Windows >> 8: desktop, tablet, phone. I suppose I'm rather effective VS2010/C#/... >> developer, my customers like my work... >> >> ... but it .... "seems that the future of Windows development is >> happening largely for corporate environments and customers. I don't >> take issue with this other than being someone who doesn't live or work >> inside a corporate environment at home..." (source: "50 Reasons to >> Switch from Microsoft Windows to Apple's Mac OS X" - >> > http://chris.pirillo.com/50-reasons-to-switch-from-microsoft-windows-to-appl > es-mac-os-x/). >> .. >> >> ... IOW I do plan to start learning iPhone/iPad (and Android) custom >> development really soon and I have to find what is the most effective >> yet as affordable as possible combination of hardware and software to >> keep both MS Windows (desktop, Phone, tablet) and iPhone/iPad and >> Android development... >> >> I suppose that getting a Mac instead of a PC is unavoidable but should >> I additionally have an MS Windows driven box/laptop or running MS >> Windows with Visual Studio on Mac under VMWare Fusion or Parallels is >> as speedy as running MS Windows and Visual Studio on a "bare Intel > processor metal"? >> Does anybody here have a real life experience of MS WIndows >> development on a Mac? Please advise. >> >> FYI: Some more links on the OT subject: >> >> A hardcore Windows guy gets a Mac >> >> http://www.davidalison.com/2008/02/hardcore-windows-guy-switches-to-ma >> c.html iPhone Development On Windows - 7 Options >> http://maniacdev.com/2010/01/iphone-development-windows-options-availa >> ble/ >> iPhone development on Windows >> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/113547/iphone-development-on-window >> s >> http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=537583 >> Thank you. >> >> -- Shamil >> -- >> AccessD mailing list >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From carbonnb at gmail.com Fri Sep 14 12:33:11 2012 From: carbonnb at gmail.com (Bryan Carbonnell) Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2012 13:33:11 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Bootcamp or Paralells - was RE: OT: iPhone/iPad development on an MS Windows PC - noway? In-Reply-To: <9707B5DE286349489691C237BB95B531@HAL9007> References: <1347636826.783194936@f100.mail.ru> <9707B5DE286349489691C237BB95B531@HAL9007> Message-ID: Which is better is entirely subjective. It all depends on what the customer wants. Bootcamp will allow you to multi-boot the Mac. Meaning you can either run Mac OSX or Windows (or any other supported OS). But you can't run them both at the same time Parallels (and VMWare Fusion which is what I run on my Mac or Oracle's VirtualBox) allows you to run a virtual machine version of windows on top of your Max OSX. That will give you the ability to run windows and Mac OSX at the same time. My guess is that the Parallels route would make the most sense. Hopefully this make sense. Bryan On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 at 1:07 PM, Rocky Smolin wrote: > If I want to run my commercial app on a Mac and recommend how to do it to > clients who want to use Mac but run my app, which is better - Bootcamp or > Parallels? > > Rocky > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Doug Steele > Sent: Friday, September 14, 2012 9:44 AM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: iPhone/iPad development on an MS Windows PC - > noway? > > Hi Shamil: > > You can always use Bootcamp which effectively runs Windows directly on a > Mac. > > I've got a fairly new Macbook Pro - 2.3ghz I5, 8gb ram. I just did some > quick timing tests opening an A2003 database and running a big report. I > also did the same on my older 2.66ghz Core2 Duo 4gb Windows 7 32bit box. > > I just counted off the time manually, so this is pretty rough. But > repeatedly running the same report on Bootcamp (32 bit Windows 7), in > Parallels (64 bit Windows 7) and on the Windows machine all seemed to take > the same time - about 12 seconds on all versions. > > Psychologically at least, my experience with using all 3 approaches is that > I can't tell the difference. > > Doug > > On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 at 8:33 AM, Salakhetdinov Shamil > wrote: > >> Hi All -- >> >> I do like my Windows Phone 7.5(:)) and it has a set of features, which >> are good enough for me currently, I like Windows 7 and as I have >> written here several times I have no any objections on new "Metro" UI >> for coming Windows >> 8: desktop, tablet, phone. I suppose I'm rather effective VS2010/C#/... >> developer, my customers like my work... >> >> ... but it .... "seems that the future of Windows development is >> happening largely for corporate environments and customers. I don't >> take issue with this other than being someone who doesn't live or work >> inside a corporate environment at home..." (source: "50 Reasons to >> Switch from Microsoft Windows to Apple's Mac OS X" - >> > http://chris.pirillo.com/50-reasons-to-switch-from-microsoft-windows-to-appl > es-mac-os-x/). >> .. >> >> ... IOW I do plan to start learning iPhone/iPad (and Android) custom >> development really soon and I have to find what is the most effective >> yet as affordable as possible combination of hardware and software to >> keep both MS Windows (desktop, Phone, tablet) and iPhone/iPad and >> Android development... >> >> I suppose that getting a Mac instead of a PC is unavoidable but should >> I additionally have an MS Windows driven box/laptop or running MS >> Windows with Visual Studio on Mac under VMWare Fusion or Parallels is >> as speedy as running MS Windows and Visual Studio on a "bare Intel > processor metal"? >> Does anybody here have a real life experience of MS WIndows >> development on a Mac? Please advise. >> >> FYI: Some more links on the OT subject: >> >> A hardcore Windows guy gets a Mac >> >> http://www.davidalison.com/2008/02/hardcore-windows-guy-switches-to-ma >> c.html iPhone Development On Windows - 7 Options >> http://maniacdev.com/2010/01/iphone-development-windows-options-availa >> ble/ >> iPhone development on Windows >> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/113547/iphone-development-on-window >> s >> http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=537583 >> Thank you. >> >> -- Shamil >> -- >> AccessD mailing list >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "What a great ride!" From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Fri Sep 14 12:52:01 2012 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2012 13:52:01 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] .Net 4 Parallel library Message-ID: <50536EC1.3050006@colbyconsulting.com> Has anyone found a really good book, article or web site explaining the parallel stuff from scratch? I am finding "snippits" if you will on the web and it seems to be simple enough to actually start there but a really good really in-depth article taking it from the top would be much preferable. And I hate training videos for more than a "flyover" of a capability. -- John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Fri Sep 14 15:12:08 2012 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2012 06:12:08 +1000 Subject: [AccessD] Active X Controls In-Reply-To: <201209141709.q8EH94Ei000483@databaseadvisors.com> References: <201209141709.q8EH94Ei000483@databaseadvisors.com> Message-ID: <50538F98.21281.720BB8E9@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> One word - outstanding! -- Stuart On 14 Sep 2012 at 12:09, Tony Septav wrote: > Stuart > > Got a little off track with the Apple platform. > > I have been looking at purchasing (for the last month) the Basic4Android > package. What are your opinions on the package. > From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Fri Sep 14 15:22:16 2012 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2012 13:22:16 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Bootcamp or Paralells - was RE: OT: iPhone/iPad development on an MS Windows PC - noway? In-Reply-To: <50536960.40907@colbyconsulting.com> References: <1347636826.783194936@f100.mail.ru><9707B5DE286349489691C237BB95B531@HAL9007> <50536960.40907@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <10A2FEF38D4F47DC8CBDC27113BBBFB9@HAL9007> Thanks - do you know if there's any difference in speed, response time, etc.? R -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: Friday, September 14, 2012 10:29 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Bootcamp or Paralells - was RE: OT: iPhone/iPad development on an MS Windows PC - noway? Bootcamp requires selecting which OS to boot into, i.e. only one of the OSes is available at the time. Parallels runs Windows7 (or other OS) in a VM under the Mac and thus both are available "simultaneously" which is less intrusive if you ask me. John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it On 9/14/2012 1:07 PM, Rocky Smolin wrote: > If I want to run my commercial app on a Mac and recommend how to do it > to clients who want to use Mac but run my app, which is better - > Bootcamp or Parallels? > > Rocky > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Doug Steele > Sent: Friday, September 14, 2012 9:44 AM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: iPhone/iPad development on an MS Windows PC > - noway? > > Hi Shamil: > > You can always use Bootcamp which effectively runs Windows directly on > a Mac. > > I've got a fairly new Macbook Pro - 2.3ghz I5, 8gb ram. I just did > some quick timing tests opening an A2003 database and running a big > report. I also did the same on my older 2.66ghz Core2 Duo 4gb Windows 7 32bit box. > > I just counted off the time manually, so this is pretty rough. But > repeatedly running the same report on Bootcamp (32 bit Windows 7), in > Parallels (64 bit Windows 7) and on the Windows machine all seemed to > take the same time - about 12 seconds on all versions. > > Psychologically at least, my experience with using all 3 approaches is > that I can't tell the difference. > > Doug > > On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 at 8:33 AM, Salakhetdinov Shamil > wrote: > >> Hi All -- >> >> I do like my Windows Phone 7.5(:)) and it has a set of features, >> which are good enough for me currently, I like Windows 7 and as I >> have written here several times I have no any objections on new >> "Metro" UI for coming Windows >> 8: desktop, tablet, phone. I suppose I'm rather effective VS2010/C#/... >> developer, my customers like my work... >> >> ... but it .... "seems that the future of Windows development is >> happening largely for corporate environments and customers. I don't >> take issue with this other than being someone who doesn't live or >> work inside a corporate environment at home..." (source: "50 Reasons >> to Switch from Microsoft Windows to Apple's Mac OS X" - >> > http://chris.pirillo.com/50-reasons-to-switch-from-microsoft-windows-t > o-appl > es-mac-os-x/). >> .. >> >> ... IOW I do plan to start learning iPhone/iPad (and Android) custom >> development really soon and I have to find what is the most effective >> yet as affordable as possible combination of hardware and software to >> keep both MS Windows (desktop, Phone, tablet) and iPhone/iPad and >> Android development... >> >> I suppose that getting a Mac instead of a PC is unavoidable but >> should I additionally have an MS Windows driven box/laptop or running >> MS Windows with Visual Studio on Mac under VMWare Fusion or Parallels >> is as speedy as running MS Windows and Visual Studio on a "bare Intel > processor metal"? >> Does anybody here have a real life experience of MS WIndows >> development on a Mac? Please advise. >> >> FYI: Some more links on the OT subject: >> >> A hardcore Windows guy gets a Mac >> >> http://www.davidalison.com/2008/02/hardcore-windows-guy-switches-to-m >> a c.html iPhone Development On Windows - 7 Options >> http://maniacdev.com/2010/01/iphone-development-windows-options-avail >> a >> ble/ >> iPhone development on Windows >> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/113547/iphone-development-on-windo >> w >> s >> http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=537583 >> Thank you. >> >> -- Shamil >> -- >> AccessD mailing list >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fhtapia at gmail.com Fri Sep 14 15:44:58 2012 From: fhtapia at gmail.com (Francisco Tapia) Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2012 13:44:58 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Error 3197 - Access Jet Database error Message-ID: Hello again gang, It's been a long time since I've needed to work on an Access Database, and the current error I'm running into is that of the Error #3197 - The Microsoft Jet database engine stopped the process because you and another user are attempting to change the same data at the same time. I'm not able to open up the database to perform a compact and repair. I'm running Access 2003 on my machine and tried running the JetComp against this db but to no avail... I've googled but really didn't get any hits on what could be done to recover... any ideas? -Francisco -------------------------- You should follow me on twitter here Blogs: SqlThis! | XCodeThis! From mcp2004 at mail.ru Fri Sep 14 15:56:59 2012 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=) Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2012 00:56:59 +0400 Subject: [AccessD] =?utf-8?q?Bootcamp_or_Paralells_-_was_RE=3A_OT=3A_iPhon?= =?utf-8?q?e/iPad_development_on_an_MS_Windows_PC_-_noway=3F?= In-Reply-To: References: <9707B5DE286349489691C237BB95B531@HAL9007> <1347636826.783194936@f100.mail.ru> Message-ID: <1347656219.233137458@f221.mail.ru> <<< Bootcamp will allow you to multi-boot the Mac. Meaning you can either run Mac OSX or Windows (or any other supported OS). But you can't run them both at the same time >>> Hi Bryan -- Wouldn't ?using Bootcamp on a MacBook Pro as the following: Apple MacBook Pro MC975RS/A with Retina display 15.4" (http://www.euronics.ee/tootekaart_en/47930/Computers_and_phones/Laptops/MC975RS) be "lightning fast"? I mean it does have 256GB SSD and 256GB Flash Memory and 8GB (up to 16GB) RAM and so "switching to/rebooting" another OS wouldn't take more than a few seconds? Would it be possible to keep "ready to boot (MS Windows) OS image" in Flash memory? Is there such a need (to keep "ready to boot (MS Windows) OS image" in Flash memory)? - I mean haven't SSD and Flash Memory nearly the same access (memory read/write) time? Thank you. -- Shamil Fri, 14 Sep 2012 13:33:11 -0400 ?? Bryan Carbonnell : > > > > >Which is better is entirely subjective. It all depends on what the > customer wants. > > Bootcamp will allow you to multi-boot the Mac. Meaning you can either > run Mac OSX or Windows (or any other supported OS). But you can't run > them both at the same time > > Parallels (and VMWare Fusion which is what I run on my Mac or Oracle's > VirtualBox) allows you to run a virtual machine version of windows on > top of your Max OSX. That will give you the ability to run windows and > Mac OSX at the same time. > > My guess is that the Parallels route would make the most sense. > > Hopefully this make sense. > > Bryan > > > On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 at 1:07 PM, Rocky Smolin wrote: > > If I want to run my commercial app on a Mac and recommend how to do it to > > clients who want to use Mac but run my app, which is better - Bootcamp or > > Parallels? > > > > Rocky > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Doug Steele > > Sent: Friday, September 14, 2012 9:44 AM > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: iPhone/iPad development on an MS Windows PC - > > noway? > > > > Hi Shamil: > > > > You can always use Bootcamp which effectively runs Windows directly on a > > Mac. > > > > I've got a fairly new Macbook Pro - 2.3ghz I5, 8gb ram. I just did some > > quick timing tests opening an A2003 database and running a big report. I > > also did the same on my older 2.66ghz Core2 Duo 4gb Windows 7 32bit box. > > > > I just counted off the time manually, so this is pretty rough. But > > repeatedly running the same report on Bootcamp (32 bit Windows 7), in > > Parallels (64 bit Windows 7) and on the Windows machine all seemed to take > > the same time - about 12 seconds on all versions. > > > > Psychologically at least, my experience with using all 3 approaches is that > > I can't tell the difference. > > > > Doug > > > > On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 at 8:33 AM, Salakhetdinov Shamil > > wrote: > > > >> Hi All -- > >> > >> I do like my Windows Phone 7.5(:)) and it has a set of features, which > >> are good enough for me currently, I like Windows 7 and as I have > >> written here several times I have no any objections on new "Metro" UI > >> for coming Windows > >> 8: desktop, tablet, phone. I suppose I'm rather effective VS2010/C#/... > >> developer, my customers like my work... > >> > >> ... but it .... "seems that the future of Windows development is > >> happening largely for corporate environments and customers. I don't > >> take issue with this other than being someone who doesn't live or work > >> inside a corporate environment at home..." (source: "50 Reasons to > >> Switch from Microsoft Windows to Apple's Mac OS X" - > >> > > http://chris.pirillo.com/50-reasons-to-switch-from-microsoft-windows-to-appl > > es-mac-os-x/). > >> .. > >> > >> ... IOW I do plan to start learning iPhone/iPad (and Android) custom > >> development really soon and I have to find what is the most effective > >> yet as affordable as possible combination of hardware and software to > >> keep both MS Windows (desktop, Phone, tablet) and iPhone/iPad and > >> Android development... > >> > >> I suppose that getting a Mac instead of a PC is unavoidable but should > >> I additionally have an MS Windows driven box/laptop or running MS > >> Windows with Visual Studio on Mac under VMWare Fusion or Parallels is > >> as speedy as running MS Windows and Visual Studio on a "bare Intel > > processor metal"? > >> Does anybody here have a real life experience of MS WIndows > >> development on a Mac? Please advise. > >> > >> FYI: Some more links on the OT subject: > >> > >> A hardcore Windows guy gets a Mac > >> > >> http://www.davidalison.com/2008/02/hardcore-windows-guy-switches-to-ma > >> c.html iPhone Development On Windows - 7 Options > >> http://maniacdev.com/2010/01/iphone-development-windows-options-availa > >> ble/ > >> iPhone development on Windows > >> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/113547/iphone-development-on-window > >> s > >> http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=537583 > >> Thank you. > >> > >> -- Shamil > >> -- > >> AccessD mailing list > >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > >> > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > -- > Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com > Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well > preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, > shouting "What a great ride!" > -- > AccessD mailing list >AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From garykjos at gmail.com Fri Sep 14 16:08:46 2012 From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos) Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2012 16:08:46 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Error 3197 - Access Jet Database error In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hope you have a backup. This isn't good if Jetcomp can't fix it. Create a new MDB and try to import what you can. Additional info I found - you probably did too.... http://support.microsoft.com/kb/182867 http://www.pcreview.co.uk/forums/access-error-3197-and-jetcomp-exe-error-error-compacting-database-t3168770.html http://www.zimbio.com/Access+Repair/articles/Ch9qV2w_4mL/Resolving+Jet+Database+Engine+Error+3197 http://www.myaccesstips.com/Errors/Locks.htm Here's a company that has a repair tool..... http://www.cimaware.com/main/products/accessfix.php?gclid=COipm_78tbICFTN0Mgod2G4AQg I've not used it. Good luck. GK On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 at 3:44 PM, Francisco Tapia wrote: > Hello again gang, > It's been a long time since I've needed to work on an Access Database, > and the current error I'm running into is that of the Error #3197 - The > Microsoft Jet database engine stopped the process because you and another > user are attempting to change the same data at the same time. > > I'm not able to open up the database to perform a compact and repair. I'm > running Access 2003 on my machine and tried running the JetComp against > this db but to no avail... I've googled but really didn't get any hits on > what could be done to recover... > > any ideas? > > -Francisco > -------------------------- > You should follow me on twitter here > Blogs: SqlThis! | XCodeThis!< > http://bit.ly/xcodethis> > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Gary Kjos garykjos at gmail.com From jackandpat.d at gmail.com Fri Sep 14 16:38:50 2012 From: jackandpat.d at gmail.com (jack drawbridge) Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2012 17:38:50 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Error 3197 - Access Jet Database error In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Francisco, Is there anything else involved? MySql backend or such? I did see a post regarding error 3197 with access FE to MySQL BE at http://www.utteraccess.com/forum/Run-Time-error-3197-t1952450.html any other symptoms?? On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 at 4:44 PM, Francisco Tapia wrote: > Hello again gang, > It's been a long time since I've needed to work on an Access Database, > and the current error I'm running into is that of the Error #3197 - The > Microsoft Jet database engine stopped the process because you and another > user are attempting to change the same data at the same time. > > I'm not able to open up the database to perform a compact and repair. I'm > running Access 2003 on my machine and tried running the JetComp against > this db but to no avail... I've googled but really didn't get any hits on > what could be done to recover... > > any ideas? > > -Francisco > -------------------------- > You should follow me on twitter here > Blogs: SqlThis! | XCodeThis!< > http://bit.ly/xcodethis> > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Fri Sep 14 17:00:57 2012 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2012 15:00:57 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Active X Controls In-Reply-To: <50538F98.21281.720BB8E9@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: <201209141709.q8EH94Ei000483@databaseadvisors.com> <50538F98.21281.720BB8E9@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <65F9D5EE9A2B45ECB490DF6620F56262@HAL9007> For someone with no .net or C but lots of vb and access, would this be the best platform to develop an android app? If so, what's second best? Rocky -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan Sent: Friday, September 14, 2012 1:12 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Active X Controls One word - outstanding! -- Stuart On 14 Sep 2012 at 12:09, Tony Septav wrote: > Stuart > > Got a little off track with the Apple platform. > > I have been looking at purchasing (for the last month) the > Basic4Android package. What are your opinions on the package. > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From ab-mi at post3.tele.dk Fri Sep 14 17:30:39 2012 From: ab-mi at post3.tele.dk (Asger Blond) Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2012 00:30:39 +0200 Subject: [AccessD] Error 3197 - Access Jet Database error References: Message-ID: <5B.30.15690.010B3505@fep40.mail.dk> Hi Francisco, And is this error erroneous - no concurrency issue involved?Asger ----- Original meddelelse ----- > Fra: Francisco Tapia > Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > > Dato: Fre, 14. sep 2012 22:44 > Emne: [AccessD] Error 3197 - Access Jet Database error > > Hello again gang, > It's been a long time since I've needed to work on an Access > Database, > and the current error I'm running into is that of the Error #3197 - > The > Microsoft Jet database engine stopped the process because you and > another > user are attempting to change the same data at the same time. > > I'm not able to open up the database to perform a compact and repair. > I'm > running Access 2003 on my machine and tried running the JetComp > against > this db but to no avail... I've googled but really didn't get any > hits on > what could be done to recover... > > any ideas? > > -Francisco > -------------------------- > You should follow me on twitter here > Blogs: SqlThis! | > XCodeThis! > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Fri Sep 14 17:44:15 2012 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2012 08:44:15 +1000 Subject: [AccessD] Active X Controls In-Reply-To: <65F9D5EE9A2B45ECB490DF6620F56262@HAL9007> References: <201209141709.q8EH94Ei000483@databaseadvisors.com>, <50538F98.21281.720BB8E9@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>, <65F9D5EE9A2B45ECB490DF6620F56262@HAL9007> Message-ID: <5053B33F.28926.7296FB68@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> It's certainly the best I've come across for programmers with a Basic background. The alternative is programming directly in Java using the Android Development Tools (ADT) plugin for Eclipse. (B4A is actually a front end which converts your Basic code into a Java app . You need to instal JDK and Eclipse before you instal B4A) -- Stuart On 14 Sep 2012 at 15:00, Rocky Smolin wrote: > For someone with no .net or C but lots of vb and access, would this be the > best platform to develop an android app? If so, what's second best? > > Rocky > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan > Sent: Friday, September 14, 2012 1:12 PM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Active X Controls > > One word - outstanding! > > -- > Stuart > > On 14 Sep 2012 at 12:09, Tony Septav wrote: > > > Stuart > > > > Got a little off track with the Apple platform. > > > > I have been looking at purchasing (for the last month) the > > Basic4Android package. What are your opinions on the package. > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Fri Sep 14 18:30:45 2012 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2012 16:30:45 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Active X Controls In-Reply-To: <5053B33F.28926.7296FB68@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: <201209141709.q8EH94Ei000483@databaseadvisors.com>, <50538F98.21281.720BB8E9@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>, <65F9D5EE9A2B45ECB490DF6620F56262@HAL9007> <5053B33F.28926.7296FB68@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <39A9B68DECB3407ABF4CF1ADE47DB3CE@HAL9007> What's Eclipse? (This is starting to get interesting) Rocky -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan Sent: Friday, September 14, 2012 3:44 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Active X Controls It's certainly the best I've come across for programmers with a Basic background. The alternative is programming directly in Java using the Android Development Tools (ADT) plugin for Eclipse. (B4A is actually a front end which converts your Basic code into a Java app . You need to instal JDK and Eclipse before you instal B4A) -- Stuart On 14 Sep 2012 at 15:00, Rocky Smolin wrote: > For someone with no .net or C but lots of vb and access, would this be the > best platform to develop an android app? If so, what's second best? > > Rocky > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan > Sent: Friday, September 14, 2012 1:12 PM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Active X Controls > > One word - outstanding! > > -- > Stuart > > On 14 Sep 2012 at 12:09, Tony Septav wrote: > > > Stuart > > > > Got a little off track with the Apple platform. > > > > I have been looking at purchasing (for the last month) the > > Basic4Android package. What are your opinions on the package. > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From davidmcafee at gmail.com Fri Sep 14 18:50:43 2012 From: davidmcafee at gmail.com (David McAfee) Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2012 16:50:43 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Active X Controls In-Reply-To: <65F9D5EE9A2B45ECB490DF6620F56262@HAL9007> References: <201209141709.q8EH94Ei000483@databaseadvisors.com> <50538F98.21281.720BB8E9@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <65F9D5EE9A2B45ECB490DF6620F56262@HAL9007> Message-ID: You can try http://appinventor.mit.edu/ Very basic, puzzle piece graphical code. Originally create by Google Labs for non programmers, MIT has taken it over. You can develop apps for your device or for friends. For free! :) There a many people who have put apps and games, developed in AI, on the market. David McAfee On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 at 3:00 PM, Rocky Smolin wrote: > For someone with no .net or C but lots of vb and access, would this be the > best platform to develop an android app? If so, what's second best? > > Rocky > From davidmcafee at gmail.com Fri Sep 14 18:51:07 2012 From: davidmcafee at gmail.com (David McAfee) Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2012 16:51:07 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Active X Controls In-Reply-To: <39A9B68DECB3407ABF4CF1ADE47DB3CE@HAL9007> References: <201209141709.q8EH94Ei000483@databaseadvisors.com> <50538F98.21281.720BB8E9@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <65F9D5EE9A2B45ECB490DF6620F56262@HAL9007> <5053B33F.28926.7296FB68@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <39A9B68DECB3407ABF4CF1ADE47DB3CE@HAL9007> Message-ID: Eclipse is the IDE, like Visual Studio. On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 at 4:30 PM, Rocky Smolin wrote: > What's Eclipse? > > (This is starting to get interesting) > > Rocky > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart > McLachlan > Sent: Friday, September 14, 2012 3:44 PM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Active X Controls > > It's certainly the best I've come across for programmers with a Basic > background. > > The alternative is programming directly in Java using the Android > Development Tools (ADT) plugin for Eclipse. > > (B4A is actually a front end which converts your Basic code into a Java app > . You need to instal JDK and Eclipse before you instal B4A) > > > -- > Stuart > > On 14 Sep 2012 at 15:00, Rocky Smolin wrote: > > > For someone with no .net or C but lots of vb and access, would this be > the > > best platform to develop an android app? If so, what's second best? > > > > Rocky > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart > McLachlan > > Sent: Friday, September 14, 2012 1:12 PM > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Active X Controls > > > > One word - outstanding! > > > > -- > > Stuart > > > > On 14 Sep 2012 at 12:09, Tony Septav wrote: > > > > > Stuart > > > > > > Got a little off track with the Apple platform. > > > > > > I have been looking at purchasing (for the last month) the > > > Basic4Android package. What are your opinions on the package. > > > > > > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Fri Sep 14 19:37:46 2012 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2012 17:37:46 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Active X Controls In-Reply-To: References: <201209141709.q8EH94Ei000483@databaseadvisors.com><50538F98.21281.720BB8E9@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg><65F9D5EE9A2B45ECB490DF6620F56262@HAL9007> Message-ID: <1852A7BF5AF34C0F99D0F4493C740C96@HAL9007> Is it just for fairly simple personal apps or can you do industrial strength stuff with it. R -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of David McAfee Sent: Friday, September 14, 2012 4:51 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Active X Controls You can try http://appinventor.mit.edu/ Very basic, puzzle piece graphical code. Originally create by Google Labs for non programmers, MIT has taken it over. You can develop apps for your device or for friends. For free! :) There a many people who have put apps and games, developed in AI, on the market. David McAfee On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 at 3:00 PM, Rocky Smolin wrote: > For someone with no .net or C but lots of vb and access, would this be > the best platform to develop an android app? If so, what's second best? > > Rocky > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From marksimms at verizon.net Fri Sep 14 19:36:55 2012 From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms) Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2012 20:36:55 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Query Too Complex In-Reply-To: References: <50525B47.3980.6D575C8F@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <50527307.15419.6DB42107@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <000501cd92da$faacd910$f0068b30$@net> Exactly Charlotte..it's obvious this message is being thrown erroneously...and as such, IT'S A BUG ! Once again, as with most MSFT software, DON'T HOLD YOUR BREATH....for the fix. From marksimms at verizon.net Fri Sep 14 19:52:37 2012 From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms) Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2012 20:52:37 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] A2010 and export to XL as .xlsb In-Reply-To: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B5250166DB@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com> References: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B52501643A@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com> <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B5250166DB@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com> Message-ID: <000601cd92dc$67475180$35d5f480$@net> Well done Darryl...and I think the xlsb format is the biggest "secret" ever ! Once again, MSFT fails to deliver the news. They just put "stuff" out there and expect us to "figure it out". Great. Only caveat with xlsb: No Ribbon modification. So..develop in XLSM format, deploy in XLSB format. That's what I am doing. From davidmcafee at gmail.com Fri Sep 14 19:57:39 2012 From: davidmcafee at gmail.com (David McAfee) Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2012 17:57:39 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Active X Controls In-Reply-To: <1852A7BF5AF34C0F99D0F4493C740C96@HAL9007> References: <201209141709.q8EH94Ei000483@databaseadvisors.com> <50538F98.21281.720BB8E9@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <65F9D5EE9A2B45ECB490DF6620F56262@HAL9007> <1852A7BF5AF34C0F99D0F4493C740C96@HAL9007> Message-ID: You can. Some people are. I wouldn't want to do heavy coding in it. Android SDK in Eclipse is a better choice for something very complex. Sent from my Droid phone. On Sep 14, 2012 5:39 PM, "Rocky Smolin" wrote: > Is it just for fairly simple personal apps or can you do industrial > strength > stuff with it. > > R > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of David McAfee > Sent: Friday, September 14, 2012 4:51 PM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Active X Controls > > You can try http://appinventor.mit.edu/ > > Very basic, puzzle piece graphical code. > > Originally create by Google Labs for non programmers, MIT has taken it > over. > > You can develop apps for your device or for friends. For free! :) > > There a many people who have put apps and games, developed in AI, on the > market. > > David McAfee > > > > On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 at 3:00 PM, Rocky Smolin >wrote: > > > For someone with no .net or C but lots of vb and access, would this be > > the best platform to develop an android app? If so, what's second best? > > > > Rocky > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From charlotte.foust at gmail.com Fri Sep 14 20:46:58 2012 From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust) Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2012 18:46:58 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Query Too Complex In-Reply-To: <000501cd92da$faacd910$f0068b30$@net> References: <50525B47.3980.6D575C8F@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <50527307.15419.6DB42107@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <000501cd92da$faacd910$f0068b30$@net> Message-ID: IMO, Mark, it isn't so much a bug as an obscure limitation that you bump into. To my recollection, this kind of "bug" has been in every piece of software I've used as a programmer because there are infinite possibilities for pushing an app to its limits and only a finite number of messages the designers can conceive of needing. I remember back in the day, the dBase code editor would fill up and fail without warning, losing all of your code, not just the most recent. They never "fixed" that as long as I used the product. Developers justlearned to use a different editor for their code. Charlotte On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 at 5:36 PM, Mark Simms wrote: > Exactly Charlotte..it's obvious this message is being thrown > erroneously...and as such, > IT'S A BUG ! > > Once again, as with most MSFT software, DON'T HOLD YOUR BREATH....for the > fix. > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Fri Sep 14 21:25:05 2012 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2012 12:25:05 +1000 Subject: [AccessD] Active X Controls In-Reply-To: <39A9B68DECB3407ABF4CF1ADE47DB3CE@HAL9007> References: <201209141709.q8EH94Ei000483@databaseadvisors.com>, <5053B33F.28926.7296FB68@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>, <39A9B68DECB3407ABF4CF1ADE47DB3CE@HAL9007> Message-ID: <5053E701.8218.73612AB6@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> I was mistaken. Basic4Android doesn't need Eclipse. I now recall that I installed Eclipse when I was first looking at Android development, before I found B4A You need to install the Java Development Kit (JDK) from Oracle and the Andorid Development Kit (ADK) from Google regardless of what development environment you choose. Then you can install either the Eclipse IDE with the Android plugin if you want to develop directly in Java or B4A if you want to work in Basic (or both if you haven't made up your mind yet). B4A offers a trial version which will let you get the feel of it. See the instructions here: http://www.basic4ppc.com/android/downloads.html -- Stuart On 14 Sep 2012 at 16:30, Rocky Smolin wrote: > What's Eclipse? > > (This is starting to get interesting) > > Rocky > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan > Sent: Friday, September 14, 2012 3:44 PM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Active X Controls > > It's certainly the best I've come across for programmers with a Basic > background. > > The alternative is programming directly in Java using the Android > Development Tools (ADT) plugin for Eclipse. > > (B4A is actually a front end which converts your Basic code into a Java app > . You need to instal JDK and Eclipse before you instal B4A) > > > -- > Stuart > > On 14 Sep 2012 at 15:00, Rocky Smolin wrote: > > > For someone with no .net or C but lots of vb and access, would this be the > > best platform to develop an android app? If so, what's second best? > > > > Rocky > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart > McLachlan > > Sent: Friday, September 14, 2012 1:12 PM > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Active X Controls > > > > One word - outstanding! > > > > -- > > Stuart > > > > On 14 Sep 2012 at 12:09, Tony Septav wrote: > > > > > Stuart > > > > > > Got a little off track with the Apple platform. > > > > > > I have been looking at purchasing (for the last month) the > > > Basic4Android package. What are your opinions on the package. > > > > > > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Fri Sep 14 21:47:02 2012 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2012 22:47:02 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Bootcamp or Paralells - was RE: OT: iPhone/iPad development on an MS Windows PC - noway? In-Reply-To: <10A2FEF38D4F47DC8CBDC27113BBBFB9@HAL9007> References: <1347636826.783194936@f100.mail.ru><9707B5DE286349489691C237BB95B531@HAL9007> <50536960.40907@colbyconsulting.com> <10A2FEF38D4F47DC8CBDC27113BBBFB9@HAL9007> Message-ID: <5053EC26.8090406@colbyconsulting.com> Almost certainly, a VM is emulated. However with the speed of hardware these days... John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it On 9/14/2012 4:22 PM, Rocky Smolin wrote: > Thanks - do you know if there's any difference in speed, response time, > etc.? > > R > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby > Sent: Friday, September 14, 2012 10:29 AM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Bootcamp or Paralells - was RE: OT: iPhone/iPad > development on an MS Windows PC - noway? > > Bootcamp requires selecting which OS to boot into, i.e. only one of the OSes > is available at the time. Parallels runs Windows7 (or other OS) in a VM > under the Mac and thus both are available "simultaneously" which is less > intrusive if you ask me. > > John W. Colby > Colby Consulting > > Reality is what refuses to go away > when you do not believe in it > > On 9/14/2012 1:07 PM, Rocky Smolin wrote: >> If I want to run my commercial app on a Mac and recommend how to do it >> to clients who want to use Mac but run my app, which is better - >> Bootcamp or Parallels? >> >> Rocky >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Doug Steele >> Sent: Friday, September 14, 2012 9:44 AM >> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving >> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: iPhone/iPad development on an MS Windows PC >> - noway? >> >> Hi Shamil: >> >> You can always use Bootcamp which effectively runs Windows directly on >> a Mac. >> >> I've got a fairly new Macbook Pro - 2.3ghz I5, 8gb ram. I just did >> some quick timing tests opening an A2003 database and running a big >> report. I also did the same on my older 2.66ghz Core2 Duo 4gb Windows 7 > 32bit box. >> >> I just counted off the time manually, so this is pretty rough. But >> repeatedly running the same report on Bootcamp (32 bit Windows 7), in >> Parallels (64 bit Windows 7) and on the Windows machine all seemed to >> take the same time - about 12 seconds on all versions. >> >> Psychologically at least, my experience with using all 3 approaches is >> that I can't tell the difference. >> >> Doug >> >> On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 at 8:33 AM, Salakhetdinov Shamil >> wrote: >> >>> Hi All -- >>> >>> I do like my Windows Phone 7.5(:)) and it has a set of features, >>> which are good enough for me currently, I like Windows 7 and as I >>> have written here several times I have no any objections on new >>> "Metro" UI for coming Windows >>> 8: desktop, tablet, phone. I suppose I'm rather effective VS2010/C#/... >>> developer, my customers like my work... >>> >>> ... but it .... "seems that the future of Windows development is >>> happening largely for corporate environments and customers. I don't >>> take issue with this other than being someone who doesn't live or >>> work inside a corporate environment at home..." (source: "50 Reasons >>> to Switch from Microsoft Windows to Apple's Mac OS X" - >>> >> http://chris.pirillo.com/50-reasons-to-switch-from-microsoft-windows-t >> o-appl >> es-mac-os-x/). >>> .. >>> >>> ... IOW I do plan to start learning iPhone/iPad (and Android) custom >>> development really soon and I have to find what is the most effective >>> yet as affordable as possible combination of hardware and software to >>> keep both MS Windows (desktop, Phone, tablet) and iPhone/iPad and >>> Android development... >>> >>> I suppose that getting a Mac instead of a PC is unavoidable but >>> should I additionally have an MS Windows driven box/laptop or running >>> MS Windows with Visual Studio on Mac under VMWare Fusion or Parallels >>> is as speedy as running MS Windows and Visual Studio on a "bare Intel >> processor metal"? >>> Does anybody here have a real life experience of MS WIndows >>> development on a Mac? Please advise. >>> >>> FYI: Some more links on the OT subject: >>> >>> A hardcore Windows guy gets a Mac >>> >>> http://www.davidalison.com/2008/02/hardcore-windows-guy-switches-to-m >>> a c.html iPhone Development On Windows - 7 Options >>> http://maniacdev.com/2010/01/iphone-development-windows-options-avail >>> a >>> ble/ >>> iPhone development on Windows >>> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/113547/iphone-development-on-windo >>> w >>> s >>> http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=537583 >>> Thank you. >>> >>> -- Shamil >>> -- >>> AccessD mailing list >>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >>> >> -- >> AccessD mailing list >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Fri Sep 14 22:03:52 2012 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2012 23:03:52 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Active X Controls In-Reply-To: References: <201209141709.q8EH94Ei000483@databaseadvisors.com> <50538F98.21281.720BB8E9@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <65F9D5EE9A2B45ECB490DF6620F56262@HAL9007> <1852A7BF5AF34C0F99D0F4493C740C96@HAL9007> Message-ID: <5053F018.8030209@colbyconsulting.com> My daughter has apraxia of speech. I would like to develop an application where we can type in the words that she is learning to speak, the application can speak it using either the inbuilt text to speech engine or a recording that we make. The app then accepts Allie's attempt to speak the word, analyzes "how close" her attempt is to the original that she heard, and provides feedback, perhaps colors, graphs, prizes etc. Make it a game for her to play. What dev environment would I need to develop an app like this in an Android environment. How likely to be able to port to the iPad. John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it On 9/14/2012 8:57 PM, David McAfee wrote: > You can. Some people are. > > I wouldn't want to do heavy coding in it. > > Android SDK in Eclipse is a better choice for something very complex. > > Sent from my Droid phone. > On Sep 14, 2012 5:39 PM, "Rocky Smolin" wrote: > >> Is it just for fairly simple personal apps or can you do industrial >> strength >> stuff with it. >> >> R From hans.andersen at phulse.com Fri Sep 14 23:09:14 2012 From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen) Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2012 21:09:14 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Bootcamp or Paralells - was RE: OT: iPhone/iPad development on an MS Windows PC - noway? In-Reply-To: <5053EC26.8090406@colbyconsulting.com> References: <1347636826.783194936@f100.mail.ru> <9707B5DE286349489691C237BB95B531@HAL9007> <50536960.40907@colbyconsulting.com> <10A2FEF38D4F47DC8CBDC27113BBBFB9@HAL9007> <5053EC26.8090406@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <52AF87CA-34A3-49C7-AE95-DE6DF81555E1@phulse.com> The one main issue with virtualising (for me, that is) is that you end up having less dedicated memory - more so than CPU resources. If you don't need much, than all is good, but .NET/Java applications tend to be pigs (and so is visual studio). Best regards, Hans-Christian Andersen On 14 Sep 2012, at 19:47, jwcolby wrote: > Almost certainly, a VM is emulated. However with the speed of hardware these days... > > John W. Colby > Colby Consulting > > Reality is what refuses to go away > when you do not believe in it > > On 9/14/2012 4:22 PM, Rocky Smolin wrote: >> Thanks - do you know if there's any difference in speed, response time, >> etc.? >> >> R >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby >> Sent: Friday, September 14, 2012 10:29 AM >> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving >> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Bootcamp or Paralells - was RE: OT: iPhone/iPad >> development on an MS Windows PC - noway? >> >> Bootcamp requires selecting which OS to boot into, i.e. only one of the OSes >> is available at the time. Parallels runs Windows7 (or other OS) in a VM >> under the Mac and thus both are available "simultaneously" which is less >> intrusive if you ask me. >> >> John W. Colby >> Colby Consulting >> >> Reality is what refuses to go away >> when you do not believe in it >> >> On 9/14/2012 1:07 PM, Rocky Smolin wrote: >>> If I want to run my commercial app on a Mac and recommend how to do it >>> to clients who want to use Mac but run my app, which is better - >>> Bootcamp or Parallels? >>> >>> Rocky >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Doug Steele >>> Sent: Friday, September 14, 2012 9:44 AM >>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving >>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: iPhone/iPad development on an MS Windows PC >>> - noway? >>> >>> Hi Shamil: >>> >>> You can always use Bootcamp which effectively runs Windows directly on >>> a Mac. >>> >>> I've got a fairly new Macbook Pro - 2.3ghz I5, 8gb ram. I just did >>> some quick timing tests opening an A2003 database and running a big >>> report. I also did the same on my older 2.66ghz Core2 Duo 4gb Windows 7 >> 32bit box. >>> >>> I just counted off the time manually, so this is pretty rough. But >>> repeatedly running the same report on Bootcamp (32 bit Windows 7), in >>> Parallels (64 bit Windows 7) and on the Windows machine all seemed to >>> take the same time - about 12 seconds on all versions. >>> >>> Psychologically at least, my experience with using all 3 approaches is >>> that I can't tell the difference. >>> >>> Doug >>> >>> On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 at 8:33 AM, Salakhetdinov Shamil >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Hi All -- >>>> >>>> I do like my Windows Phone 7.5(:)) and it has a set of features, >>>> which are good enough for me currently, I like Windows 7 and as I >>>> have written here several times I have no any objections on new >>>> "Metro" UI for coming Windows >>>> 8: desktop, tablet, phone. I suppose I'm rather effective VS2010/C#/... >>>> developer, my customers like my work... >>>> >>>> ... but it .... "seems that the future of Windows development is >>>> happening largely for corporate environments and customers. I don't >>>> take issue with this other than being someone who doesn't live or >>>> work inside a corporate environment at home..." (source: "50 Reasons >>>> to Switch from Microsoft Windows to Apple's Mac OS X" - >>>> >>> http://chris.pirillo.com/50-reasons-to-switch-from-microsoft-windows-t >>> o-appl >>> es-mac-os-x/). >>>> .. >>>> >>>> ... IOW I do plan to start learning iPhone/iPad (and Android) custom >>>> development really soon and I have to find what is the most effective >>>> yet as affordable as possible combination of hardware and software to >>>> keep both MS Windows (desktop, Phone, tablet) and iPhone/iPad and >>>> Android development... >>>> >>>> I suppose that getting a Mac instead of a PC is unavoidable but >>>> should I additionally have an MS Windows driven box/laptop or running >>>> MS Windows with Visual Studio on Mac under VMWare Fusion or Parallels >>>> is as speedy as running MS Windows and Visual Studio on a "bare Intel >>> processor metal"? >>>> Does anybody here have a real life experience of MS WIndows >>>> development on a Mac? Please advise. >>>> >>>> FYI: Some more links on the OT subject: >>>> >>>> A hardcore Windows guy gets a Mac >>>> >>>> http://www.davidalison.com/2008/02/hardcore-windows-guy-switches-to-m >>>> a c.html iPhone Development On Windows - 7 Options >>>> http://maniacdev.com/2010/01/iphone-development-windows-options-avail >>>> a >>>> ble/ >>>> iPhone development on Windows >>>> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/113547/iphone-development-on-windo >>>> w >>>> s >>>> http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=537583 >>>> Thank you. >>>> >>>> -- Shamil >>>> -- >>>> AccessD mailing list >>>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >>>> >>> -- >>> AccessD mailing list >>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >>> >> >> -- >> AccessD mailing list >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Sat Sep 15 00:07:59 2012 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2012 15:07:59 +1000 Subject: [AccessD] Bootcamp or Paralells - was RE: OT: iPhone/iPad development on an MS Windows PC - noway? In-Reply-To: <52AF87CA-34A3-49C7-AE95-DE6DF81555E1@phulse.com> References: <1347636826.783194936@f100.mail.ru>, <5053EC26.8090406@colbyconsulting.com>, <52AF87CA-34A3-49C7-AE95-DE6DF81555E1@phulse.com> Message-ID: <50540D2F.28287.73F64DB3@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Which is why I put 8GB of RAM in my laptop. -- Stuart On 14 Sep 2012 at 21:09, Hans-Christian Andersen wrote: > The one main issue with virtualising (for me, that is) is that you end > up having less dedicated memory - more so than CPU resources. If you > don't need much, than all is good, but .NET/Java applications tend to > be pigs (and so is visual studio). > > Best regards, > Hans-Christian Andersen > > > On 14 Sep 2012, at 19:47, jwcolby wrote: > > > Almost certainly, a VM is emulated. However with the speed of hardware these days... > > > > John W. Colby > > Colby Consulting > > > > Reality is what refuses to go away > > when you do not believe in it > > > > On 9/14/2012 4:22 PM, Rocky Smolin wrote: > >> Thanks - do you know if there's any difference in speed, response time, > >> etc.? > >> > >> R > >> > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > >> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby > >> Sent: Friday, September 14, 2012 10:29 AM > >> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > >> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Bootcamp or Paralells - was RE: OT: iPhone/iPad > >> development on an MS Windows PC - noway? > >> > >> Bootcamp requires selecting which OS to boot into, i.e. only one of the OSes > >> is available at the time. Parallels runs Windows7 (or other OS) in a VM > >> under the Mac and thus both are available "simultaneously" which is less > >> intrusive if you ask me. > >> > >> John W. Colby > >> Colby Consulting > >> > >> Reality is what refuses to go away > >> when you do not believe in it > >> > >> On 9/14/2012 1:07 PM, Rocky Smolin wrote: > >>> If I want to run my commercial app on a Mac and recommend how to do it > >>> to clients who want to use Mac but run my app, which is better - > >>> Bootcamp or Parallels? > >>> > >>> Rocky > >>> > >>> > >>> -----Original Message----- > >>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > >>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Doug Steele > >>> Sent: Friday, September 14, 2012 9:44 AM > >>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > >>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: iPhone/iPad development on an MS Windows PC > >>> - noway? > >>> > >>> Hi Shamil: > >>> > >>> You can always use Bootcamp which effectively runs Windows directly on > >>> a Mac. > >>> > >>> I've got a fairly new Macbook Pro - 2.3ghz I5, 8gb ram. I just did > >>> some quick timing tests opening an A2003 database and running a big > >>> report. I also did the same on my older 2.66ghz Core2 Duo 4gb Windows 7 > >> 32bit box. > >>> > >>> I just counted off the time manually, so this is pretty rough. But > >>> repeatedly running the same report on Bootcamp (32 bit Windows 7), in > >>> Parallels (64 bit Windows 7) and on the Windows machine all seemed to > >>> take the same time - about 12 seconds on all versions. > >>> > >>> Psychologically at least, my experience with using all 3 approaches is > >>> that I can't tell the difference. > >>> > >>> Doug > >>> > >>> On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 at 8:33 AM, Salakhetdinov Shamil > >>> wrote: > >>> > >>>> Hi All -- > >>>> > >>>> I do like my Windows Phone 7.5(:)) and it has a set of features, > >>>> which are good enough for me currently, I like Windows 7 and as I > >>>> have written here several times I have no any objections on new > >>>> "Metro" UI for coming Windows > >>>> 8: desktop, tablet, phone. I suppose I'm rather effective VS2010/C#/... > >>>> developer, my customers like my work... > >>>> > >>>> ... but it .... "seems that the future of Windows development is > >>>> happening largely for corporate environments and customers. I don't > >>>> take issue with this other than being someone who doesn't live or > >>>> work inside a corporate environment at home..." (source: "50 Reasons > >>>> to Switch from Microsoft Windows to Apple's Mac OS X" - > >>>> > >>> http://chris.pirillo.com/50-reasons-to-switch-from-microsoft-windows-t > >>> o-appl > >>> es-mac-os-x/). > >>>> .. > >>>> > >>>> ... IOW I do plan to start learning iPhone/iPad (and Android) custom > >>>> development really soon and I have to find what is the most effective > >>>> yet as affordable as possible combination of hardware and software to > >>>> keep both MS Windows (desktop, Phone, tablet) and iPhone/iPad and > >>>> Android development... > >>>> > >>>> I suppose that getting a Mac instead of a PC is unavoidable but > >>>> should I additionally have an MS Windows driven box/laptop or running > >>>> MS Windows with Visual Studio on Mac under VMWare Fusion or Parallels > >>>> is as speedy as running MS Windows and Visual Studio on a "bare Intel > >>> processor metal"? > >>>> Does anybody here have a real life experience of MS WIndows > >>>> development on a Mac? Please advise. > >>>> > >>>> FYI: Some more links on the OT subject: > >>>> > >>>> A hardcore Windows guy gets a Mac > >>>> > >>>> http://www.davidalison.com/2008/02/hardcore-windows-guy-switches-to-m > >>>> a c.html iPhone Development On Windows - 7 Options > >>>> http://maniacdev.com/2010/01/iphone-development-windows-options-avail > >>>> a > >>>> ble/ > >>>> iPhone development on Windows > >>>> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/113547/iphone-development-on-windo > >>>> w > >>>> s > >>>> http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=537583 > >>>> Thank you. > >>>> > >>>> -- Shamil > >>>> -- > >>>> AccessD mailing list > >>>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > >>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > >>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > >>>> > >>> -- > >>> AccessD mailing list > >>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > >>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > >>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > >>> > >> > >> -- > >> AccessD mailing list > >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > >> > > > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From Gustav at cactus.dk Sat Sep 15 02:05:21 2012 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2012 09:05:21 +0200 Subject: [AccessD] Query Too Complex Message-ID: Hi Mark Not really. When I've met this error it has been caused by non-explicit parameters or other values Access couldn't figure out what could be expected to be. /gustav >>> marksimms at verizon.net 15-09-12 2:36 >>> Exactly Charlotte..it's obvious this message is being thrown erroneously...and as such, IT'S A BUG ! Once again, as with most MSFT software, DON'T HOLD YOUR BREATH....for the fix. -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From hans.andersen at phulse.com Sat Sep 15 02:10:14 2012 From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen) Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2012 00:10:14 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Bootcamp or Paralells - was RE: OT: iPhone/iPad development on an MS Windows PC - noway? In-Reply-To: <50540D2F.28287.73F64DB3@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: <1347636826.783194936@f100.mail.ru>, <5053EC26.8090406@colbyconsulting.com>, <52AF87CA-34A3-49C7-AE95-DE6DF81555E1@phulse.com> <50540D2F.28287.73F64DB3@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <088B5D64-904C-40C0-AF11-A87A44918550@phulse.com> No matter how much ram I upgrade, I never seem to have enough. Browsers are simply memory hogs. On 2012-09-14, at 10:07 PM, Stuart McLachlan wrote: > Which is why I put 8GB of RAM in my laptop. > > -- > Stuart > > On 14 Sep 2012 at 21:09, Hans-Christian Andersen wrote: > >> The one main issue with virtualising (for me, that is) is that you end >> up having less dedicated memory - more so than CPU resources. If you >> don't need much, than all is good, but .NET/Java applications tend to >> be pigs (and so is visual studio). >> >> Best regards, >> Hans-Christian Andersen >> >> >> On 14 Sep 2012, at 19:47, jwcolby wrote: >> >>> Almost certainly, a VM is emulated. However with the speed of hardware these days... >>> >>> John W. Colby >>> Colby Consulting >>> >>> Reality is what refuses to go away >>> when you do not believe in it >>> >>> On 9/14/2012 4:22 PM, Rocky Smolin wrote: >>>> Thanks - do you know if there's any difference in speed, response time, >>>> etc.? >>>> >>>> R >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >>>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby >>>> Sent: Friday, September 14, 2012 10:29 AM >>>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving >>>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Bootcamp or Paralells - was RE: OT: iPhone/iPad >>>> development on an MS Windows PC - noway? >>>> >>>> Bootcamp requires selecting which OS to boot into, i.e. only one of the OSes >>>> is available at the time. Parallels runs Windows7 (or other OS) in a VM >>>> under the Mac and thus both are available "simultaneously" which is less >>>> intrusive if you ask me. >>>> >>>> John W. Colby >>>> Colby Consulting >>>> >>>> Reality is what refuses to go away >>>> when you do not believe in it >>>> >>>> On 9/14/2012 1:07 PM, Rocky Smolin wrote: >>>>> If I want to run my commercial app on a Mac and recommend how to do it >>>>> to clients who want to use Mac but run my app, which is better - >>>>> Bootcamp or Parallels? >>>>> >>>>> Rocky >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >>>>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Doug Steele >>>>> Sent: Friday, September 14, 2012 9:44 AM >>>>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving >>>>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: iPhone/iPad development on an MS Windows PC >>>>> - noway? >>>>> >>>>> Hi Shamil: >>>>> >>>>> You can always use Bootcamp which effectively runs Windows directly on >>>>> a Mac. >>>>> >>>>> I've got a fairly new Macbook Pro - 2.3ghz I5, 8gb ram. I just did >>>>> some quick timing tests opening an A2003 database and running a big >>>>> report. I also did the same on my older 2.66ghz Core2 Duo 4gb Windows 7 >>>> 32bit box. >>>>> >>>>> I just counted off the time manually, so this is pretty rough. But >>>>> repeatedly running the same report on Bootcamp (32 bit Windows 7), in >>>>> Parallels (64 bit Windows 7) and on the Windows machine all seemed to >>>>> take the same time - about 12 seconds on all versions. >>>>> >>>>> Psychologically at least, my experience with using all 3 approaches is >>>>> that I can't tell the difference. >>>>> >>>>> Doug >>>>> >>>>> On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 at 8:33 AM, Salakhetdinov Shamil >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hi All -- >>>>>> >>>>>> I do like my Windows Phone 7.5(:)) and it has a set of features, >>>>>> which are good enough for me currently, I like Windows 7 and as I >>>>>> have written here several times I have no any objections on new >>>>>> "Metro" UI for coming Windows >>>>>> 8: desktop, tablet, phone. I suppose I'm rather effective VS2010/C#/... >>>>>> developer, my customers like my work... >>>>>> >>>>>> ... but it .... "seems that the future of Windows development is >>>>>> happening largely for corporate environments and customers. I don't >>>>>> take issue with this other than being someone who doesn't live or >>>>>> work inside a corporate environment at home..." (source: "50 Reasons >>>>>> to Switch from Microsoft Windows to Apple's Mac OS X" - >>>>>> >>>>> http://chris.pirillo.com/50-reasons-to-switch-from-microsoft-windows-t >>>>> o-appl >>>>> es-mac-os-x/). >>>>>> .. >>>>>> >>>>>> ... IOW I do plan to start learning iPhone/iPad (and Android) custom >>>>>> development really soon and I have to find what is the most effective >>>>>> yet as affordable as possible combination of hardware and software to >>>>>> keep both MS Windows (desktop, Phone, tablet) and iPhone/iPad and >>>>>> Android development... >>>>>> >>>>>> I suppose that getting a Mac instead of a PC is unavoidable but >>>>>> should I additionally have an MS Windows driven box/laptop or running >>>>>> MS Windows with Visual Studio on Mac under VMWare Fusion or Parallels >>>>>> is as speedy as running MS Windows and Visual Studio on a "bare Intel >>>>> processor metal"? >>>>>> Does anybody here have a real life experience of MS WIndows >>>>>> development on a Mac? Please advise. >>>>>> >>>>>> FYI: Some more links on the OT subject: >>>>>> >>>>>> A hardcore Windows guy gets a Mac >>>>>> >>>>>> http://www.davidalison.com/2008/02/hardcore-windows-guy-switches-to-m >>>>>> a c.html iPhone Development On Windows - 7 Options >>>>>> http://maniacdev.com/2010/01/iphone-development-windows-options-avail >>>>>> a >>>>>> ble/ >>>>>> iPhone development on Windows >>>>>> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/113547/iphone-development-on-windo >>>>>> w >>>>>> s >>>>>> http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=537583 >>>>>> Thank you. >>>>>> >>>>>> -- Shamil >>>>>> -- >>>>>> AccessD mailing list >>>>>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >>>>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >>>>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >>>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> AccessD mailing list >>>>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >>>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >>>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >>>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> AccessD mailing list >>>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> AccessD mailing list >>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> -- >> AccessD mailing list >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Sat Sep 15 07:54:49 2012 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2012 08:54:49 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] where is the Parallel library Message-ID: <50547A99.1050200@colbyconsulting.com> VS 2010, .Net 4.0. I am not finding the parallel library. System.Threading.Tasks is there but I am not able to find the parallel library. Google isn't helping either. Where did they put this thing? -- John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it From marksimms at verizon.net Sat Sep 15 09:57:03 2012 From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms) Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2012 10:57:03 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Query Too Complex In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <005901cd9352$5e4146b0$1ac3d410$@net> Yes, but the point is: the error message is way too generic. Easy for their programmers to implement; Hard on us. > > Not really. When I've met this error it has been caused by non-explicit > parameters or other values Access couldn't figure out what could be > expected to be. > > /gustav From dbdoug at gmail.com Sat Sep 15 10:43:06 2012 From: dbdoug at gmail.com (Doug Steele) Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2012 08:43:06 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Standalone Access .exe? Message-ID: Interesting post entitled 'The dawn of the single .exe stand alone .exe file for the Access runtime.' on the Access developers forum in LinkedIn (login needed). The product Cameyo (www.cameyo.com) is mentioned. It builds an .exe that runs without installation. If I understand correctly, what you would do to use this with Access is the following: 1. Start a clean virtual machine. 2. Install and start Cameyo. 3. Build a full installation of the Access runtime and your FE database. 4. Tell Cameyo that you're finished. It then builds a standalone .exe for you with the Access runtime and your database incorporated. You can copy it at will, run off a thumb drive, etc etc. Sounds almost too good to be true. An Access developer's dream? It supposedly works with any installable software, so it would be a pirate's dream as well, I guess. I've downloaded it but not tried it yet. Doug From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Sat Sep 15 11:08:02 2012 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2012 09:08:02 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Query Too Complex In-Reply-To: <005901cd9352$5e4146b0$1ac3d410$@net> References: <005901cd9352$5e4146b0$1ac3d410$@net> Message-ID: <7D248C5173A84ED2959D049BCC0773F0@HAL9007> That's right up there with my favorite "You canceled the previous operation." Rocky -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Simms Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2012 7:57 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Query Too Complex Yes, but the point is: the error message is way too generic. Easy for their programmers to implement; Hard on us. > > Not really. When I've met this error it has been caused by > non-explicit parameters or other values Access couldn't figure out > what could be expected to be. > > /gustav -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Sat Sep 15 11:54:00 2012 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2012 12:54:00 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Standalone Access .exe? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I just downloaded it, too, Doug, but my real goal (and not in a pirate sense, just to save me a bunch of steps) would be to create a VM and install Cameyo and then install the bits of Office XP that I need, which is by no means everything, primarily just the full Access. But here comes the tricky part: what I really mean is Access + Risk Fisher's Find and Replace + MZTools + NoteTab (my fave free text editor). I would totally love to do all that in a single EXE that I could run inside a VM or from a thumb drive. That would be totally wonderful. On Sat, Sep 15, 2012 at 11:43 AM, Doug Steele wrote: > Interesting post entitled 'The dawn of the single .exe stand alone .exe > file for the Access runtime.' on the Access developers forum in LinkedIn > (login needed). The product Cameyo (www.cameyo.com) is mentioned. It > builds an .exe that runs without installation. If I understand correctly, > what you would do to use this with Access is the following: > > 1. Start a clean virtual machine. > 2. Install and start Cameyo. > 3. Build a full installation of the Access runtime and your FE database. > 4. Tell Cameyo that you're finished. > > It then builds a standalone .exe for you with the Access runtime and your > database incorporated. You can copy it at will, run off a thumb drive, etc > etc. Sounds almost too good to be true. An Access developer's dream? It > supposedly works with any installable software, so it would be a pirate's > dream as well, I guess. I've downloaded it but not tried it yet. > > Doug-- Arthur Cell: 647.710.1314 Prediction is difficult, especially of the future. -- Niels Bohr From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Sat Sep 15 12:54:43 2012 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2012 13:54:43 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Standalone Access .exe? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5054C0E3.20200@colbyconsulting.com> This does beg the question of how the db container could expand to hold the data... Of course in my case it would be reaching out to SQL Server over the internet. But of course my apps require Hamachi to be installed to form the VPN for accessing SQL Server. And they require joining a private network, all this before ever being able to do the connection. John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it On 9/15/2012 11:43 AM, Doug Steele wrote: > Interesting post entitled 'The dawn of the single .exe stand alone .exe > file for the Access runtime.' on the Access developers forum in LinkedIn > (login needed). The product Cameyo (www.cameyo.com) is mentioned. It > builds an .exe that runs without installation. If I understand correctly, > what you would do to use this with Access is the following: > > 1. Start a clean virtual machine. > 2. Install and start Cameyo. > 3. Build a full installation of the Access runtime and your FE database. > 4. Tell Cameyo that you're finished. > > It then builds a standalone .exe for you with the Access runtime and your > database incorporated. You can copy it at will, run off a thumb drive, etc > etc. Sounds almost too good to be true. An Access developer's dream? It > supposedly works with any installable software, so it would be a pirate's > dream as well, I guess. I've downloaded it but not tried it yet. > > Doug > From carbonnb at gmail.com Sat Sep 15 15:48:27 2012 From: carbonnb at gmail.com (Bryan Carbonnell) Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2012 16:48:27 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Bootcamp or Paralells - was RE: OT: iPhone/iPad development on an MS Windows PC - noway? In-Reply-To: <1347656219.233137458@f221.mail.ru> References: <9707B5DE286349489691C237BB95B531@HAL9007> <1347636826.783194936@f100.mail.ru> <1347656219.233137458@f221.mail.ru> Message-ID: It may be quick enough to switch from OS to OS in a matter of seconds. It really is all a matter of what you need the setup to do. I need to be able to work in both Windows and OSX at the same time, so virtualization is the only way to go for me. My work environment is Windows, and some of the apps I use regularly are Windows only. But so of the other apps I use regularly are wither Mac only, or are better on the Mac, so I need to be able to use both OSes at the same time. For others, Bootcamp with SSDs are good enough. It all depends on the needs and what you are willing to live with. Bryan On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 at 4:56 PM, Salakhetdinov Shamil wrote: > <<< > Bootcamp will allow you to multi-boot the Mac. Meaning you can either > run Mac OSX or Windows (or any other supported OS). But you can't run > them both at the same time >>>> > Hi Bryan -- > > Wouldn't using Bootcamp on a MacBook Pro as the following: > > Apple MacBook Pro MC975RS/A with Retina display 15.4" > (http://www.euronics.ee/tootekaart_en/47930/Computers_and_phones/Laptops/MC975RS) > > be "lightning fast"? I mean it does have 256GB SSD and 256GB Flash Memory and 8GB (up to 16GB) RAM and so "switching to/rebooting" another OS wouldn't take more than a few seconds? > Would it be possible to keep "ready to boot (MS Windows) OS image" in Flash memory? > Is there such a need (to keep "ready to boot (MS Windows) OS image" in Flash memory)? - I mean haven't SSD and Flash Memory nearly the same access (memory read/write) time? > > Thank you. > > -- Shamil > > > Fri, 14 Sep 2012 13:33:11 -0400 ?? Bryan Carbonnell : >> >> >> > > >> > > > >>Which is better is entirely subjective. It all depends on what the >> > customer wants. >> >> > Bootcamp will allow you to multi-boot the Mac. Meaning you can either >> > run Mac OSX or Windows (or any other supported OS). But you can't run >> > them both at the same time >> >> > Parallels (and VMWare Fusion which is what I run on my Mac or Oracle's >> > VirtualBox) allows you to run a virtual machine version of windows on >> > top of your Max OSX. That will give you the ability to run windows and >> > Mac OSX at the same time. >> >> > My guess is that the Parallels route would make the most sense. >> >> > Hopefully this make sense. >> >> > Bryan >> >> >> > On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 at 1:07 PM, Rocky Smolin wrote: >> >> If I want to run my commercial app on a Mac and recommend how to do it to >> >> clients who want to use Mac but run my app, which is better - Bootcamp or >> >> Parallels? >> >> >> >> Rocky >> >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> >> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >> >> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Doug Steele >> >> Sent: Friday, September 14, 2012 9:44 AM >> >> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving >> >> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: iPhone/iPad development on an MS Windows PC - >> >> noway? >> >> >> >> Hi Shamil: >> >> >> >> You can always use Bootcamp which effectively runs Windows directly on a >> >> Mac. >> >> >> >> I've got a fairly new Macbook Pro - 2.3ghz I5, 8gb ram. I just did some >> >> quick timing tests opening an A2003 database and running a big report. I >> >> also did the same on my older 2.66ghz Core2 Duo 4gb Windows 7 32bit box. >> >> >> >> I just counted off the time manually, so this is pretty rough. But >> >> repeatedly running the same report on Bootcamp (32 bit Windows 7), in >> >> Parallels (64 bit Windows 7) and on the Windows machine all seemed to take >> >> the same time - about 12 seconds on all versions. >> >> >> >> Psychologically at least, my experience with using all 3 approaches is that >> >> I can't tell the difference. >> >> >> >> Doug >> >> >> >> On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 at 8:33 AM, Salakhetdinov Shamil >> >> wrote: >> >> >> >>> Hi All -- >> >>> >> >>> I do like my Windows Phone 7.5(:)) and it has a set of features, which >> >>> are good enough for me currently, I like Windows 7 and as I have >> >>> written here several times I have no any objections on new "Metro" UI >> >>> for coming Windows >> >>> 8: desktop, tablet, phone. I suppose I'm rather effective VS2010/C#/... >> >>> developer, my customers like my work... >> >>> >> >>> ... but it .... "seems that the future of Windows development is >> >>> happening largely for corporate environments and customers. I don't >> >>> take issue with this other than being someone who doesn't live or work >> >>> inside a corporate environment at home..." (source: "50 Reasons to >> >>> Switch from Microsoft Windows to Apple's Mac OS X" - >> >>> >> >> http://chris.pirillo.com/50-reasons-to-switch-from-microsoft-windows-to-appl >> >> es-mac-os-x/). >> >>> .. >> >>> >> >>> ... IOW I do plan to start learning iPhone/iPad (and Android) custom >> >>> development really soon and I have to find what is the most effective >> >>> yet as affordable as possible combination of hardware and software to >> >>> keep both MS Windows (desktop, Phone, tablet) and iPhone/iPad and >> >>> Android development... >> >>> >> >>> I suppose that getting a Mac instead of a PC is unavoidable but should >> >>> I additionally have an MS Windows driven box/laptop or running MS >> >>> Windows with Visual Studio on Mac under VMWare Fusion or Parallels is >> >>> as speedy as running MS Windows and Visual Studio on a "bare Intel >> >> processor metal"? >> >>> Does anybody here have a real life experience of MS WIndows >> >>> development on a Mac? Please advise. >> >>> >> >>> FYI: Some more links on the OT subject: >> >>> >> >>> A hardcore Windows guy gets a Mac >> >>> >> >>> http://www.davidalison.com/2008/02/hardcore-windows-guy-switches-to-ma >> >>> c.html iPhone Development On Windows - 7 Options >> >>> http://maniacdev.com/2010/01/iphone-development-windows-options-availa >> >>> ble/ >> >>> iPhone development on Windows >> >>> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/113547/iphone-development-on-window >> >>> s >> >>> http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=537583 >> >>> Thank you. >> >>> >> >>> -- Shamil >> >>> -- >> >>> AccessD mailing list >> >>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >> >>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >> >>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >>> >> >> -- >> >> AccessD mailing list >> >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >> >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >> >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> >> >> -- >> >> AccessD mailing list >> >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >> >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >> >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> >> >> > -- >> > Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com >> > Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well >> > preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, >> > shouting "What a great ride!" >> > -- >> > AccessD mailing list >>AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >>http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> > > > > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "What a great ride!" From fuller.artful at gmail.com Sat Sep 15 16:35:20 2012 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2012 17:35:20 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Standalone Access .exe? In-Reply-To: <5054C0E3.20200@colbyconsulting.com> References: <5054C0E3.20200@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: I wasn't thinking that the container needs to expand to hold the data: just the complete program. The data can live on the hard disk or inside the VM. A. On Sat, Sep 15, 2012 at 1:54 PM, jwcolby wrote: > This does beg the question of how the db container could expand to hold > the data... > > Of course in my case it would be reaching out to SQL Server over the > internet. But of course my apps require Hamachi to be installed to form > the VPN for accessing SQL Server. And they require joining a private > network, all this before ever being able to do the connection. > > John W. Colby > Colby Consulting > > From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Sun Sep 16 07:52:08 2012 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2012 05:52:08 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Anybody want to move to San Diego? Message-ID: http://www.linkedin.com/jobs?viewJob= &jobId=3506956&trk=rj_em&ut=3LX52rMkVxMRo1 Sounds like a job for Shamil. Rocky From accessd at shaw.ca Sun Sep 16 11:47:45 2012 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2012 09:47:45 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Bootcamp or Paralells - was RE: OT: iPhone/iPaddevelopment on an MS Windows PC - noway? In-Reply-To: <088B5D64-904C-40C0-AF11-A87A44918550@phulse.com> References: <1347636826.783194936@f100.mail.ru>, <5053EC26.8090406@colbyconsulting.com>, <52AF87CA-34A3-49C7-AE95-DE6DF81555E1@phulse.com><50540D2F.28287.73F64DB3@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <088B5D64-904C-40C0-AF11-A87A44918550@phulse.com> Message-ID: <525EBA56756248149932EF882328732B@creativesystemdesigns.com> Browsers are no longer just browsers anymore but entire self-contained operating systems. I know of a number of businesses that deploy their company's applications through a server and an intra-net setup. Very efficient, hardware independent and easy to distribute upgrades and changes....or to access outside the office or the manage in branch locations. Jim -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Hans-Christian Andersen Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2012 12:10 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Bootcamp or Paralells - was RE: OT: iPhone/iPaddevelopment on an MS Windows PC - noway? No matter how much ram I upgrade, I never seem to have enough. Browsers are simply memory hogs. On 2012-09-14, at 10:07 PM, Stuart McLachlan wrote: > Which is why I put 8GB of RAM in my laptop. > > -- > Stuart > > On 14 Sep 2012 at 21:09, Hans-Christian Andersen wrote: > >> The one main issue with virtualising (for me, that is) is that you end >> up having less dedicated memory - more so than CPU resources. If you >> don't need much, than all is good, but .NET/Java applications tend to >> be pigs (and so is visual studio). >> >> Best regards, >> Hans-Christian Andersen >> >> >> On 14 Sep 2012, at 19:47, jwcolby wrote: >> >>> Almost certainly, a VM is emulated. However with the speed of hardware these days... >>> >>> John W. Colby >>> Colby Consulting >>> >>> Reality is what refuses to go away >>> when you do not believe in it >>> >>> On 9/14/2012 4:22 PM, Rocky Smolin wrote: >>>> Thanks - do you know if there's any difference in speed, response time, >>>> etc.? >>>> >>>> R >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >>>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby >>>> Sent: Friday, September 14, 2012 10:29 AM >>>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving >>>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Bootcamp or Paralells - was RE: OT: iPhone/iPad >>>> development on an MS Windows PC - noway? >>>> >>>> Bootcamp requires selecting which OS to boot into, i.e. only one of the OSes >>>> is available at the time. Parallels runs Windows7 (or other OS) in a VM >>>> under the Mac and thus both are available "simultaneously" which is less >>>> intrusive if you ask me. >>>> >>>> John W. Colby >>>> Colby Consulting >>>> >>>> Reality is what refuses to go away >>>> when you do not believe in it >>>> >>>> On 9/14/2012 1:07 PM, Rocky Smolin wrote: >>>>> If I want to run my commercial app on a Mac and recommend how to do it >>>>> to clients who want to use Mac but run my app, which is better - >>>>> Bootcamp or Parallels? >>>>> >>>>> Rocky >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >>>>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Doug Steele >>>>> Sent: Friday, September 14, 2012 9:44 AM >>>>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving >>>>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: iPhone/iPad development on an MS Windows PC >>>>> - noway? >>>>> >>>>> Hi Shamil: >>>>> >>>>> You can always use Bootcamp which effectively runs Windows directly on >>>>> a Mac. >>>>> >>>>> I've got a fairly new Macbook Pro - 2.3ghz I5, 8gb ram. I just did >>>>> some quick timing tests opening an A2003 database and running a big >>>>> report. I also did the same on my older 2.66ghz Core2 Duo 4gb Windows 7 >>>> 32bit box. >>>>> >>>>> I just counted off the time manually, so this is pretty rough. But >>>>> repeatedly running the same report on Bootcamp (32 bit Windows 7), in >>>>> Parallels (64 bit Windows 7) and on the Windows machine all seemed to >>>>> take the same time - about 12 seconds on all versions. >>>>> >>>>> Psychologically at least, my experience with using all 3 approaches is >>>>> that I can't tell the difference. >>>>> >>>>> Doug >>>>> >>>>> On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 at 8:33 AM, Salakhetdinov Shamil >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hi All -- >>>>>> >>>>>> I do like my Windows Phone 7.5(:)) and it has a set of features, >>>>>> which are good enough for me currently, I like Windows 7 and as I >>>>>> have written here several times I have no any objections on new >>>>>> "Metro" UI for coming Windows >>>>>> 8: desktop, tablet, phone. I suppose I'm rather effective VS2010/C#/... >>>>>> developer, my customers like my work... >>>>>> >>>>>> ... but it .... "seems that the future of Windows development is >>>>>> happening largely for corporate environments and customers. I don't >>>>>> take issue with this other than being someone who doesn't live or >>>>>> work inside a corporate environment at home..." (source: "50 Reasons >>>>>> to Switch from Microsoft Windows to Apple's Mac OS X" - >>>>>> >>>>> http://chris.pirillo.com/50-reasons-to-switch-from-microsoft-windows-t >>>>> o-appl >>>>> es-mac-os-x/). >>>>>> .. >>>>>> >>>>>> ... IOW I do plan to start learning iPhone/iPad (and Android) custom >>>>>> development really soon and I have to find what is the most effective >>>>>> yet as affordable as possible combination of hardware and software to >>>>>> keep both MS Windows (desktop, Phone, tablet) and iPhone/iPad and >>>>>> Android development... >>>>>> >>>>>> I suppose that getting a Mac instead of a PC is unavoidable but >>>>>> should I additionally have an MS Windows driven box/laptop or running >>>>>> MS Windows with Visual Studio on Mac under VMWare Fusion or Parallels >>>>>> is as speedy as running MS Windows and Visual Studio on a "bare Intel >>>>> processor metal"? >>>>>> Does anybody here have a real life experience of MS WIndows >>>>>> development on a Mac? Please advise. >>>>>> >>>>>> FYI: Some more links on the OT subject: >>>>>> >>>>>> A hardcore Windows guy gets a Mac >>>>>> >>>>>> http://www.davidalison.com/2008/02/hardcore-windows-guy-switches-to-m >>>>>> a c.html iPhone Development On Windows - 7 Options >>>>>> http://maniacdev.com/2010/01/iphone-development-windows-options-avail >>>>>> a >>>>>> ble/ >>>>>> iPhone development on Windows >>>>>> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/113547/iphone-development-on-windo >>>>>> w >>>>>> s >>>>>> http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=537583 >>>>>> Thank you. >>>>>> >>>>>> -- Shamil >>>>>> -- >>>>>> AccessD mailing list >>>>>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >>>>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >>>>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >>>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> AccessD mailing list >>>>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >>>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >>>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >>>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> AccessD mailing list >>>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> AccessD mailing list >>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> -- >> AccessD mailing list >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From TSeptav at Uniserve.com Sun Sep 16 12:40:37 2012 From: TSeptav at Uniserve.com (Tony Septav) Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2012 12:40:37 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Windows 7 Muses Message-ID: <201209161740.q8GHee8O013589@databaseadvisors.com> Hey All This has been the most bizarre experience I have had to deal with in my 20 or so years of programming. A company that would change the playing field rules with a new version of their operating system. The problem I am having is not so much getting the ActiveX controls working on my machine, but how to deal with the client saying if you have Windows 7 32 or 64 bit version here are a bunch of steps you will have to follow to get my application up and running. I have Googled and read all kinds of horror stories with developers (even VB6) running into problems with these ActiveX controls (again given and recommended for use by MS). My new approach is to rewrite a huge bunch of code (using suggestions from Doug Steele et all), so I can give my client something transparent (their not knowing the underlying problems with Windows 7). After Stuart's rave review of Basic4Android I am seriously looking at developing customized Apps for my clients using this new medium. Sorry Just Frustrated T.Septav Nanaimo, BC Canada From mcp2004 at mail.ru Sun Sep 16 13:04:44 2012 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=) Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2012 22:04:44 +0400 Subject: [AccessD] =?utf-8?q?Bootcamp_or_Paralells_-_was_RE=3A_OT=3A_iPhon?= =?utf-8?q?e/iPaddevelopment_on_an_MS_Windows_PC_-_noway=3F?= In-Reply-To: <525EBA56756248149932EF882328732B@creativesystemdesigns.com> References: <1347636826.783194936@f100.mail.ru>, <088B5D64-904C-40C0-AF11-A87A44918550@phulse.com> <525EBA56756248149932EF882328732B@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: <1347818683.64565880@f163.mail.ru> Hi Jim -- But browsers do not have access to laptops'/smartphones'/.. ?many features as GPS, voice, OCR, ... - do they? .Thank you. -- Shamil P.S. BTW, I'm learning / (trying to get through) native HTML(5)/CSS(3)/Web API (ASP.NET)/KnockoutJS/... web apps development techniques - I'm ?using?http://pluralsight.com?tutorials - they are good IMO...? Sun, 16 Sep 2012 09:47:45 -0700 ?? "Jim Lawrence" : >Browsers are no longer just browsers anymore but entire self-contained > operating systems. > > I know of a number of businesses that deploy their company's applications > through a server and an intra-net setup. > > Very efficient, hardware independent and easy to distribute upgrades and > changes....or to access outside the office or the manage in branch > locations. > > Jim ><<< skipped >>> > From mcp2004 at mail.ru Sun Sep 16 13:05:35 2012 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=) Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2012 22:05:35 +0400 Subject: [AccessD] =?utf-8?q?Bootcamp_or_Paralells_-_was_RE=3A_OT=3A_iPhon?= =?utf-8?q?e/iPad_development_on_an_MS_Windows_PC_-_noway=3F?= In-Reply-To: References: <1347656219.233137458@f221.mail.ru> <9707B5DE286349489691C237BB95B531@HAL9007> Message-ID: <1347818735.54569644@f331.mail.ru> Thank you, Bryan -- BootCamp with speedy SSD should be good enough for me I expect as I'm mainly planning to do MS Windows (.NET) development with iPhone/iPad "clones" of WinPhone/Windows 8 tables/WinRT apps.. We will see - I will try to get a modern Mac laptop till the end of this year if my custom software development ?business will go well... Thank you. -- Shamil Sat, 15 Sep 2012 16:48:27 -0400 ?? Bryan Carbonnell : >It may be quick enough to switch from OS to OS in a matter of seconds. > It really is all a matter of what you need the setup to do. > > I need to be able to work in both Windows and OSX at the same time, so > virtualization is the only way to go for me. > > My work environment is Windows, and some of the apps I use regularly > are Windows only. But so of the other apps I use regularly are wither > Mac only, or are better on the Mac, so I need to be able to use both > OSes at the same time. > > For others, Bootcamp with SSDs are good enough. It all depends on the > needs and what you are willing to live with. > > Bryan ><<< skipped >>> > From mcp2004 at mail.ru Sun Sep 16 13:30:00 2012 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=) Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2012 22:30:00 +0400 Subject: [AccessD] =?utf-8?q?Anybody_want_to_move_to_San_Diego=3F?= In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1347820200.667357427@f331.mail.ru> Thank you, Rocky -- I'd not mind to move to warmer place for the fall/winter/early spring season but getting moved there on permanent basis looks currently problematic, we will see... -- Shamil Sun, 16 Sep 2012 05:52:08 -0700 ?? "Rocky Smolin" : > > > > >http://www.linkedin.com/jobs?viewJob= > MRo1> &jobId=3506956&trk=rj_em&ut=3LX52rMkVxMRo1 > ? > Sounds like a job for Shamil. > ? > Rocky > ? > -- > AccessD mailing list >AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From accessd at shaw.ca Sun Sep 16 13:37:28 2012 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2012 11:37:28 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Bootcamp or Paralells - was RE: OT: iPhone/iPaddevelopment on an MS Windows PC - noway? In-Reply-To: <1347818683.64565880@f163.mail.ru> References: <1347636826.783194936@f100.mail.ru>, <088B5D64-904C-40C0-AF11-A87A44918550@phulse.com><525EBA56756248149932EF882328732B@creativesystemdesigns.com> <1347818683.64565880@f163.mail.ru> Message-ID: <85DB3D99A24B4AFDBB8B435D62773E84@creativesystemdesigns.com> Hi Shamil: I think I have misunderstood you but... Of course browsers have access to GPS...look no further than Google maps (and the other new startups like bing and apple's new offering) Both Apple and Google offer, far beyond just voice translation but full on-line help via voice control...and the same with OCR...and VoIP. A client is never going to pay for some programmer to develop in these diciplines when a simple mashup of existing and easy to access components can be acquire via the browser. These browsers are basically two componenets, FE and BE supported by a the currently most reliable communications system ever built. The differences between the FE and BE continues fade back and forth. The truth is who would ever build a GPS, OCR or even voice translation system just for desktop installation? Those days are gone and now support of management is done through the browser. Jim -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Salakhetdinov Shamil Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2012 11:05 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Bootcamp or Paralells - was RE: OT: iPhone/iPaddevelopment on an MS Windows PC - noway? Hi Jim -- But browsers do not have access to laptops'/smartphones'/.. ?many features as GPS, voice, OCR, ... - do they? .Thank you. -- Shamil P.S. BTW, I'm learning / (trying to get through) native HTML(5)/CSS(3)/Web API (ASP.NET)/KnockoutJS/... web apps development techniques - I'm ?using?http://pluralsight.com?tutorials - they are good IMO...? Sun, 16 Sep 2012 09:47:45 -0700 ?? "Jim Lawrence" : >Browsers are no longer just browsers anymore but entire self-contained > operating systems. > > I know of a number of businesses that deploy their company's applications > through a server and an intra-net setup. > > Very efficient, hardware independent and easy to distribute upgrades and > changes....or to access outside the office or the manage in branch > locations. > > Jim ><<< skipped >>> > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From mcp2004 at mail.ru Sun Sep 16 13:56:37 2012 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=) Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2012 22:56:37 +0400 Subject: [AccessD] =?utf-8?q?Bootcamp_or_Paralells_-_was_RE=3A_OT=3A_iPhon?= =?utf-8?q?e/iPaddevelopment_on_an_MS_Windows_PC_-_noway=3F?= In-Reply-To: <85DB3D99A24B4AFDBB8B435D62773E84@creativesystemdesigns.com> References: <1347636826.783194936@f100.mail.ru>, <1347818683.64565880@f163.mail.ru> <85DB3D99A24B4AFDBB8B435D62773E84@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: <1347821797.146165064@f339.mail.ru> Hi Jim -- I'm missing something - how can I get my current location auto-detected and presented (as a map fragment) by using Google Maps -?https://maps.google.com/?running within a browser (IE10) on my Windows Phone 7.5? Thank you. -- Shamil Sun, 16 Sep 2012 11:37:28 -0700 ?? "Jim Lawrence" : > > > > >Hi Shamil: > > I think I have misunderstood you but... > > Of course browsers have access to GPS...look no further than Google maps > (and the other new startups like bing and apple's new offering) Both Apple > and Google offer, far beyond just voice translation but full on-line help > via voice control...and the same with OCR...and VoIP. A client is never > going to pay for some programmer to develop in these diciplines when a > simple mashup of existing and easy to access components can be acquire via > the browser. > > These browsers are basically two componenets, FE and BE supported by a the > currently most reliable communications system ever built. The differences > between the FE and BE continues fade back and forth. > > The truth is who would ever build a GPS, OCR or even voice translation > system just for desktop installation? Those days are gone and now support of > management is done through the browser. > > Jim > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Salakhetdinov > Shamil > Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2012 11:05 AM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Bootcamp or Paralells - was RE: OT: > iPhone/iPaddevelopment on an MS Windows PC - noway? > > Hi Jim -- > > But browsers do not have access to laptops'/smartphones'/.. ?many features > as GPS, voice, OCR, ... - do they? > > .Thank you. > > -- Shamil > > P.S. BTW, I'm learning / (trying to get through) native HTML(5)/CSS(3)/Web > API (ASP.NET)/KnockoutJS/... web apps development techniques - I'm > ?using?http://pluralsight.com?tutorials - they are good IMO...? > > > Sun, 16 Sep 2012 09:47:45 -0700 ?? "Jim Lawrence" : > >Browsers are no longer just browsers anymore but entire self-contained > > > operating systems. > > > > > I know of a number of businesses that deploy their company's applications > > > through a server and an intra-net setup. > > > > > Very efficient, hardware independent and easy to distribute upgrades and > > > changes....or to access outside the office or the manage in branch > > > locations. > > > > > Jim > ><<< skipped >>> > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list >AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- > AccessD mailing list >AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From hans.andersen at phulse.com Sun Sep 16 15:13:37 2012 From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen) Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2012 13:13:37 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Bootcamp or Paralells - was RE: OT: iPhone/iPaddevelopment on an MS Windows PC - noway? In-Reply-To: <1347821797.146165064@f339.mail.ru> References: <1347636826.783194936@f100.mail.ru> <1347818683.64565880@f163.mail.ru> <85DB3D99A24B4AFDBB8B435D62773E84@creativesystemdesigns.com> <1347821797.146165064@f339.mail.ru> Message-ID: <372CD067-669F-4511-BC2A-609FB7949DA0@phulse.com> Google "HTML5 geolocation". Best regards, Hans-Christian Andersen On 16 Sep 2012, at 11:56, Salakhetdinov Shamil wrote: > Hi Jim -- > > I'm missing something - how can I get my current location auto-detected and presented (as a map fragment) by using Google Maps - https://maps.google.com/ running within a browser (IE10) on my Windows Phone 7.5? > > Thank you. > > -- Shamil > > Sun, 16 Sep 2012 11:37:28 -0700 ?? "Jim Lawrence" : >> >> >> > > >> > > > >> Hi Shamil: >> >> > I think I have misunderstood you but... >> >> > Of course browsers have access to GPS...look no further than Google maps >> > (and the other new startups like bing and apple's new offering) Both Apple >> > and Google offer, far beyond just voice translation but full on-line help >> > via voice control...and the same with OCR...and VoIP. A client is never >> > going to pay for some programmer to develop in these diciplines when a >> > simple mashup of existing and easy to access components can be acquire via >> > the browser. >> >> > These browsers are basically two componenets, FE and BE supported by a the >> > currently most reliable communications system ever built. The differences >> > between the FE and BE continues fade back and forth. >> >> > The truth is who would ever build a GPS, OCR or even voice translation >> > system just for desktop installation? Those days are gone and now support of >> > management is done through the browser. >> >> > Jim >> >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Salakhetdinov >> > Shamil >> > Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2012 11:05 AM >> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving >> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Bootcamp or Paralells - was RE: OT: >> > iPhone/iPaddevelopment on an MS Windows PC - noway? >> >> > Hi Jim -- >> >> > But browsers do not have access to laptops'/smartphones'/.. many features >> > as GPS, voice, OCR, ... - do they? >> >> > .Thank you. >> >> > -- Shamil >> >> > P.S. BTW, I'm learning / (trying to get through) native HTML(5)/CSS(3)/Web >> > API (ASP.NET)/KnockoutJS/... web apps development techniques - I'm >> > using http://pluralsight.com tutorials - they are good IMO... >> >> >> > Sun, 16 Sep 2012 09:47:45 -0700 ?? "Jim Lawrence" : >> >> Browsers are no longer just browsers anymore but entire self-contained >> >> >> > operating systems. >> >> >> >> >> > I know of a number of businesses that deploy their company's applications >> >> >> > through a server and an intra-net setup. >> >> >> >> >> > Very efficient, hardware independent and easy to distribute upgrades and >> >> >> > changes....or to access outside the office or the manage in branch >> >> >> > locations. >> >> >> >> >> > Jim >> >> <<< skipped >>> >> >> >> >> > -- >> > AccessD mailing list >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> >> > -- >> > AccessD mailing list >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> > > > > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From TSeptav at Uniserve.com Sun Sep 16 16:11:28 2012 From: TSeptav at Uniserve.com (Tony Septav) Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2012 16:11:28 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] The list Message-ID: <201209162111.q8GLBURG028027@databaseadvisors.com> Hey All I have been on this list since 1994. There was a guy called Colby ,totally true of heart but a very bumptious and annoying individual. This is not only from me but concerns from others on this list I have talked to, that the list has become a chat line. I do not see any new blood coming in and offering or asking questions. All I see is the old boys club, and a lot of "Off topic" chatter". I have rarely seen a new problem solved and yes I will include myself. I think you and myself have become dinosaurs. There are so many brilliant minds on this list and all that knowledge is being wasted. Sorry Guys I am out of here. Tony Septav Nananimo, BC Canada From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Sun Sep 16 16:21:35 2012 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2012 14:21:35 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] The list In-Reply-To: <201209162111.q8GLBURG028027@databaseadvisors.com> References: <201209162111.q8GLBURG028027@databaseadvisors.com> Message-ID: <8332E4F2459C497E88005B2967B34D30@HAL9007> Adios, Tony. And sorry to see you go. But I understand. For my part - I'm staying with the list. They save my bacon at least once a month. Less than in the beginning because I'm a better Access programmer now than 15 years ago. But any question I have about anything related to my development I can count on the 'fine minds' you note to give me answers. Recently I wanted to know about Parallels vs. Bootcamp. And I got the straight skinny on that. The chatter ain't about the election (which is why the OT list was created 12 years ago) or gardening. The chatter is still like going to school every day in my chosen field. Even if I don't understand half of what Shamil writes or have to wade through the occasional acerbic Colbyism, there's no downside for me to scan the posts and get spoon fed more stuff. Rocky -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tony Septav Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2012 2:11 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: [AccessD] The list Hey All I have been on this list since 1994. There was a guy called Colby ,totally true of heart but a very bumptious and annoying individual. This is not only from me but concerns from others on this list I have talked to, that the list has become a chat line. I do not see any new blood coming in and offering or asking questions. All I see is the old boys club, and a lot of "Off topic" chatter". I have rarely seen a new problem solved and yes I will include myself. I think you and myself have become dinosaurs. There are so many brilliant minds on this list and all that knowledge is being wasted. Sorry Guys I am out of here. Tony Septav Nananimo, BC Canada -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From charlotte.foust at gmail.com Sun Sep 16 16:40:39 2012 From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust) Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2012 14:40:39 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] The list In-Reply-To: <201209162111.q8GLBURG028027@databaseadvisors.com> References: <201209162111.q8GLBURG028027@databaseadvisors.com> Message-ID: I'm sorry you feel that way, Tony. As one of the old "boys", I have to ask what you would like to see? We're still talking about programming, still grumbling about Microsoft's ignoring Access developers. We've just broadened it a bit to include related technology, related to the mission, which IMO is database development using the tools at hand and saving a lot of businesses from shooting themselves in the foot. Charlotte On Sun, Sep 16, 2012 at 2:11 PM, Tony Septav wrote: > Hey All > > I have been on this list since 1994. There was a guy called Colby ,totally > true of heart but a very bumptious and annoying individual. This is not > only > from me but concerns from others on this list I have talked to, that the > list has become a chat line. I do not see any new blood coming in and > offering or asking questions. All I see is the old boys club, and a lot of > "Off topic" chatter". I have rarely seen a new problem solved and yes I > will include myself. I think you and myself have become dinosaurs. There > are so many brilliant minds on this list and all that knowledge is being > wasted. > > > > Sorry Guys I am out of here. > > Tony Septav > > Nananimo, BC > > Canada > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au Sun Sep 16 18:27:49 2012 From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins) Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2012 23:27:49 +0000 Subject: [AccessD] Query Too Complex In-Reply-To: <7D248C5173A84ED2959D049BCC0773F0@HAL9007> References: <005901cd9352$5e4146b0$1ac3d410$@net> <7D248C5173A84ED2959D049BCC0773F0@HAL9007> Message-ID: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B52501900C@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com> Oh man... You folks are bringing back some real bad memories here.... -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: Sunday, 16 September 2012 2:08 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Query Too Complex That's right up there with my favorite "You canceled the previous operation." Rocky -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Simms Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2012 7:57 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Query Too Complex Yes, but the point is: the error message is way too generic. Easy for their programmers to implement; Hard on us. > > Not really. When I've met this error it has been caused by > non-explicit parameters or other values Access couldn't figure out > what could be expected to be. > > /gustav From TSeptav at Uniserve.com Sun Sep 16 20:31:36 2012 From: TSeptav at Uniserve.com (Tony Septav) Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2012 20:31:36 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] The list In-Reply-To: <8332E4F2459C497E88005B2967B34D30@HAL9007> Message-ID: <201209170131.q8H1VdMK017649@databaseadvisors.com> Hey Guys As I have said this list used to be wonderful. With minds that would astound me with their knowledge, and I would be totally amazed with how do these people know this stuff. But please let us be realistic. The list has become sadly nothing more than a chat list. Hey All I have never seen a support group like you guys. But it is getting so esoteric and I am kind of seeing the demise of Access. You guys have been great but I better move on or follow the path of the dinosaurs. I will still be lurking but hey...... Best Wishes and a prosperous future to you all. Tony Septav Nanaimo, BC Canada -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: September-16-12 4:22 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] The list Adios, Tony. And sorry to see you go. But I understand. For my part - I'm staying with the list. They save my bacon at least once a month. Less than in the beginning because I'm a better Access programmer now than 15 years ago. But any question I have about anything related to my development I can count on the 'fine minds' you note to give me answers. Recently I wanted to know about Parallels vs. Bootcamp. And I got the straight skinny on that. The chatter ain't about the election (which is why the OT list was created 12 years ago) or gardening. The chatter is still like going to school every day in my chosen field. Even if I don't understand half of what Shamil writes or have to wade through the occasional acerbic Colbyism, there's no downside for me to scan the posts and get spoon fed more stuff. Rocky -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tony Septav Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2012 2:11 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: [AccessD] The list Hey All I have been on this list since 1994. There was a guy called Colby ,totally true of heart but a very bumptious and annoying individual. This is not only from me but concerns from others on this list I have talked to, that the list has become a chat line. I do not see any new blood coming in and offering or asking questions. All I see is the old boys club, and a lot of "Off topic" chatter". I have rarely seen a new problem solved and yes I will include myself. I think you and myself have become dinosaurs. There are so many brilliant minds on this list and all that knowledge is being wasted. Sorry Guys I am out of here. Tony Septav Nananimo, BC Canada -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2221 / Virus Database: 2437/5271 - Release Date: 09/16/12 From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Sun Sep 16 20:32:28 2012 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2012 21:32:28 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] The list In-Reply-To: <201209162111.q8GLBURG028027@databaseadvisors.com> References: <201209162111.q8GLBURG028027@databaseadvisors.com> Message-ID: <50567DAC.5070105@colbyconsulting.com> That Colby dude moved from Mexico to Connecticut, got old, adopted two kids, moved to NC (for the weather) got even older, and moved mostly to C# / SQL Server. 13 years later he had mellowed a little but still an annoying guy however. Last week he was just working on putting that class / event lecture series into a single e-book format, complete with example databases. He mentioned that he didn't really use it all that much anymore but wanted to get it written down and published. He also mention that he had nailed the Access FE > SQL Server BE over the internet thing though. One last hurrah. John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it On 9/16/2012 5:11 PM, Tony Septav wrote: > Hey All > > I have been on this list since 1994. There was a guy called Colby ,totally > true of heart but a very bumptious and annoying individual. This is not only > from me but concerns from others on this list I have talked to, that the > list has become a chat line. I do not see any new blood coming in and > offering or asking questions. All I see is the old boys club, and a lot of > "Off topic" chatter". I have rarely seen a new problem solved and yes I > will include myself. I think you and myself have become dinosaurs. There > are so many brilliant minds on this list and all that knowledge is being > wasted. > > > > Sorry Guys I am out of here. > > Tony Septav > > Nananimo, BC > > Canada > > > From TSeptav at Uniserve.com Sun Sep 16 20:40:36 2012 From: TSeptav at Uniserve.com (Tony Septav) Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2012 20:40:36 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] The list In-Reply-To: <50567DAC.5070105@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <201209170140.q8H1ecaS022725@databaseadvisors.com> Hey John You never change. And yes you make laugh (good humorously). You bastard. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: September-16-12 8:32 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] The list That Colby dude moved from Mexico to Connecticut, got old, adopted two kids, moved to NC (for the weather) got even older, and moved mostly to C# / SQL Server. 13 years later he had mellowed a little but still an annoying guy however. Last week he was just working on putting that class / event lecture series into a single e-book format, complete with example databases. He mentioned that he didn't really use it all that much anymore but wanted to get it written down and published. He also mention that he had nailed the Access FE > SQL Server BE over the internet thing though. One last hurrah. John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it On 9/16/2012 5:11 PM, Tony Septav wrote: > Hey All > > I have been on this list since 1994. There was a guy called Colby ,totally > true of heart but a very bumptious and annoying individual. This is not only > from me but concerns from others on this list I have talked to, that the > list has become a chat line. I do not see any new blood coming in and > offering or asking questions. All I see is the old boys club, and a lot of > "Off topic" chatter". I have rarely seen a new problem solved and yes I > will include myself. I think you and myself have become dinosaurs. There > are so many brilliant minds on this list and all that knowledge is being > wasted. > > > > Sorry Guys I am out of here. > > Tony Septav > > Nananimo, BC > > Canada > > > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2221 / Virus Database: 2437/5272 - Release Date: 09/16/12 From TSeptav at Uniserve.com Sun Sep 16 20:50:07 2012 From: TSeptav at Uniserve.com (Tony Septav) Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2012 20:50:07 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] The list OOps In-Reply-To: <50567DAC.5070105@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <201209170150.q8H1o9wU027411@databaseadvisors.com> Hey John Nothing negative intended, I should have said "You cranky old bastard". -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: September-16-12 8:32 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] The list That Colby dude moved from Mexico to Connecticut, got old, adopted two kids, moved to NC (for the weather) got even older, and moved mostly to C# / SQL Server. 13 years later he had mellowed a little but still an annoying guy however. Last week he was just working on putting that class / event lecture series into a single e-book format, complete with example databases. He mentioned that he didn't really use it all that much anymore but wanted to get it written down and published. He also mention that he had nailed the Access FE > SQL Server BE over the internet thing though. One last hurrah. John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it On 9/16/2012 5:11 PM, Tony Septav wrote: > Hey All > > I have been on this list since 1994. There was a guy called Colby ,totally > true of heart but a very bumptious and annoying individual. This is not only > from me but concerns from others on this list I have talked to, that the > list has become a chat line. I do not see any new blood coming in and > offering or asking questions. All I see is the old boys club, and a lot of > "Off topic" chatter". I have rarely seen a new problem solved and yes I > will include myself. I think you and myself have become dinosaurs. There > are so many brilliant minds on this list and all that knowledge is being > wasted. > > > > Sorry Guys I am out of here. > > Tony Septav > > Nananimo, BC > > Canada > > > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2221 / Virus Database: 2437/5272 - Release Date: 09/16/12 From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Sun Sep 16 21:01:45 2012 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 12:01:45 +1000 Subject: [AccessD] The list OOps In-Reply-To: <201209170150.q8H1o9wU027411@databaseadvisors.com> References: <50567DAC.5070105@colbyconsulting.com>, <201209170150.q8H1o9wU027411@databaseadvisors.com> Message-ID: <50568489.18836.7D9886EE@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Or point out that you are using it in the australian sense. On 16 Sep 2012 at 20:50, Tony Septav wrote: > Hey John > Nothing negative intended, I should have said "You cranky old bastard". > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby > Sent: September-16-12 8:32 PM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] The list > > That Colby dude moved from Mexico to Connecticut, got old, adopted two kids, > moved to NC (for the > weather) got even older, and moved mostly to C# / SQL Server. 13 years > later he had mellowed a > little but still an annoying guy however. Last week he was just working on > putting that class / > event lecture series into a single e-book format, complete with example > databases. He mentioned > that he didn't really use it all that much anymore but wanted to get it > written down and published. > > He also mention that he had nailed the Access FE > SQL Server BE over the > internet thing though. > One last hurrah. > > John W. Colby > Colby Consulting > > Reality is what refuses to go away > when you do not believe in it > > On 9/16/2012 5:11 PM, Tony Septav wrote: > > Hey All > > > > I have been on this list since 1994. There was a guy called Colby ,totally > > true of heart but a very bumptious and annoying individual. This is not > only > > from me but concerns from others on this list I have talked to, that the > > list has become a chat line. I do not see any new blood coming in and > > offering or asking questions. All I see is the old boys club, and a lot of > > "Off topic" chatter". I have rarely seen a new problem solved and yes I > > will include myself. I think you and myself have become dinosaurs. There > > are so many brilliant minds on this list and all that knowledge is being > > wasted. > > > > > > > > Sorry Guys I am out of here. > > > > Tony Septav > > > > Nananimo, BC > > > > Canada > > > > > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2012.0.2221 / Virus Database: 2437/5272 - Release Date: 09/16/12 > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From TSeptav at Uniserve.com Sun Sep 16 21:05:36 2012 From: TSeptav at Uniserve.com (Tony Septav) Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2012 21:05:36 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] The list OOps In-Reply-To: <50568489.18836.7D9886EE@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <201209170205.q8H25c4q002103@databaseadvisors.com> Hey Stuart Gave me a good laugh. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan Sent: September-16-12 9:02 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] The list OOps Or point out that you are using it in the australian sense. On 16 Sep 2012 at 20:50, Tony Septav wrote: > Hey John > Nothing negative intended, I should have said "You cranky old bastard". > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby > Sent: September-16-12 8:32 PM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] The list > > That Colby dude moved from Mexico to Connecticut, got old, adopted two kids, > moved to NC (for the > weather) got even older, and moved mostly to C# / SQL Server. 13 years > later he had mellowed a > little but still an annoying guy however. Last week he was just working on > putting that class / > event lecture series into a single e-book format, complete with example > databases. He mentioned > that he didn't really use it all that much anymore but wanted to get it > written down and published. > > He also mention that he had nailed the Access FE > SQL Server BE over the > internet thing though. > One last hurrah. > > John W. Colby > Colby Consulting > > Reality is what refuses to go away > when you do not believe in it > > On 9/16/2012 5:11 PM, Tony Septav wrote: > > Hey All > > > > I have been on this list since 1994. There was a guy called Colby ,totally > > true of heart but a very bumptious and annoying individual. This is not > only > > from me but concerns from others on this list I have talked to, that the > > list has become a chat line. I do not see any new blood coming in and > > offering or asking questions. All I see is the old boys club, and a lot of > > "Off topic" chatter". I have rarely seen a new problem solved and yes I > > will include myself. I think you and myself have become dinosaurs. There > > are so many brilliant minds on this list and all that knowledge is being > > wasted. > > > > > > > > Sorry Guys I am out of here. > > > > Tony Septav > > > > Nananimo, BC > > > > Canada > > > > > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2012.0.2221 / Virus Database: 2437/5272 - Release Date: 09/16/12 > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2221 / Virus Database: 2437/5272 - Release Date: 09/16/12 From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au Sun Sep 16 21:22:18 2012 From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 02:22:18 +0000 Subject: [AccessD] The list OOps In-Reply-To: <50568489.18836.7D9886EE@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: <50567DAC.5070105@colbyconsulting.com>, <201209170150.q8H1o9wU027411@databaseadvisors.com> <50568489.18836.7D9886EE@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B525019288@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com> HAHAHAHA!! That was funny as I didn't even blink at the original post. I knew exactly how it was intended and was a little surprised it needed to be clarified. : ) -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan Sent: Monday, 17 September 2012 12:02 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] The list OOps Or point out that you are using it in the australian sense. On 16 Sep 2012 at 20:50, Tony Septav wrote: > Hey John > Nothing negative intended, I should have said "You cranky old bastard". > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby > Sent: September-16-12 8:32 PM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] The list > > That Colby dude moved from Mexico to Connecticut, got old, adopted two > kids, moved to NC (for the > weather) got even older, and moved mostly to C# / SQL Server. 13 > years later he had mellowed a little but still an annoying guy > however. Last week he was just working on putting that class / event > lecture series into a single e-book format, complete with example > databases. He mentioned that he didn't really use it all that much > anymore but wanted to get it written down and published. > > He also mention that he had nailed the Access FE > SQL Server BE over > the internet thing though. > One last hurrah. > > John W. Colby > Colby Consulting > > Reality is what refuses to go away > when you do not believe in it > > On 9/16/2012 5:11 PM, Tony Septav wrote: > > Hey All > > > > I have been on this list since 1994. There was a guy called Colby > > ,totally true of heart but a very bumptious and annoying individual. > > This is not > only > > from me but concerns from others on this list I have talked to, that > > the list has become a chat line. I do not see any new blood coming > > in and offering or asking questions. All I see is the old boys club, > > and a lot of "Off topic" chatter". I have rarely seen a new > > problem solved and yes I will include myself. I think you and > > myself have become dinosaurs. There are so many brilliant minds on > > this list and all that knowledge is being wasted. > > > > > > > > Sorry Guys I am out of here. > > > > Tony Septav > > > > Nananimo, BC > > > > Canada > > > > > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2012.0.2221 / Virus Database: 2437/5272 - Release Date: > 09/16/12 > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Sun Sep 16 21:47:28 2012 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2012 22:47:28 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] The list OOps In-Reply-To: <201209170150.q8H1o9wU027411@databaseadvisors.com> References: <201209170150.q8H1o9wU027411@databaseadvisors.com> Message-ID: <50568F40.3000206@colbyconsulting.com> ROTFL. I liked 'bumptious and annoying'. Truer words were never spoken. ;) John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it On 9/16/2012 9:50 PM, Tony Septav wrote: > Hey John > Nothing negative intended, I should have said "You cranky old bastard". > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby > Sent: September-16-12 8:32 PM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] The list > > That Colby dude moved from Mexico to Connecticut, got old, adopted two kids, > moved to NC (for the > weather) got even older, and moved mostly to C# / SQL Server. 13 years > later he had mellowed a > little but still an annoying guy however. Last week he was just working on > putting that class / > event lecture series into a single e-book format, complete with example > databases. He mentioned > that he didn't really use it all that much anymore but wanted to get it > written down and published. > > He also mention that he had nailed the Access FE > SQL Server BE over the > internet thing though. > One last hurrah. > > John W. Colby > Colby Consulting > > Reality is what refuses to go away > when you do not believe in it > > On 9/16/2012 5:11 PM, Tony Septav wrote: >> Hey All >> >> I have been on this list since 1994. There was a guy called Colby ,totally >> true of heart but a very bumptious and annoying individual. This is not > only >> from me but concerns from others on this list I have talked to, that the >> list has become a chat line. I do not see any new blood coming in and >> offering or asking questions. All I see is the old boys club, and a lot of >> "Off topic" chatter". I have rarely seen a new problem solved and yes I >> will include myself. I think you and myself have become dinosaurs. There >> are so many brilliant minds on this list and all that knowledge is being >> wasted. >> >> >> >> Sorry Guys I am out of here. >> >> Tony Septav >> >> Nananimo, BC >> >> Canada >> >> >> > From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Sun Sep 16 21:52:20 2012 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2012 22:52:20 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] The list OOps In-Reply-To: <201209170150.q8H1o9wU027411@databaseadvisors.com> References: <201209170150.q8H1o9wU027411@databaseadvisors.com> Message-ID: <50569064.8090301@colbyconsulting.com> You ain't seen cranky until you've seen a 57 year old dude with an 11 year old son and a 9 year old daughter. If that doesn't make you cranky you must already be dead. John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it On 9/16/2012 9:50 PM, Tony Septav wrote: > Hey John > Nothing negative intended, I should have said "You cranky old bastard". > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby > Sent: September-16-12 8:32 PM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] The list > > That Colby dude moved from Mexico to Connecticut, got old, adopted two kids, > moved to NC (for the > weather) got even older, and moved mostly to C# / SQL Server. 13 years > later he had mellowed a > little but still an annoying guy however. Last week he was just working on > putting that class / > event lecture series into a single e-book format, complete with example > databases. He mentioned > that he didn't really use it all that much anymore but wanted to get it > written down and published. > > He also mention that he had nailed the Access FE > SQL Server BE over the > internet thing though. > One last hurrah. > > John W. Colby > Colby Consulting > > Reality is what refuses to go away > when you do not believe in it > > On 9/16/2012 5:11 PM, Tony Septav wrote: >> Hey All >> >> I have been on this list since 1994. There was a guy called Colby ,totally >> true of heart but a very bumptious and annoying individual. This is not > only >> from me but concerns from others on this list I have talked to, that the >> list has become a chat line. I do not see any new blood coming in and >> offering or asking questions. All I see is the old boys club, and a lot of >> "Off topic" chatter". I have rarely seen a new problem solved and yes I >> will include myself. I think you and myself have become dinosaurs. There >> are so many brilliant minds on this list and all that knowledge is being >> wasted. >> >> >> >> Sorry Guys I am out of here. >> >> Tony Septav >> >> Nananimo, BC >> >> Canada >> >> >> > From mcp2004 at mail.ru Mon Sep 17 03:46:41 2012 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 12:46:41 +0400 Subject: [AccessD] =?utf-8?q?HTML5_Geolocation_-_was_RE=3A_Bootcamp_or_Par?= =?utf-8?q?alells_-_was_RE=3A_OT=3A_iPhone/iPaddevelopment_on_an_MS_Window?= =?utf-8?q?s_PC_-_noway=3F?= In-Reply-To: <372CD067-669F-4511-BC2A-609FB7949DA0@phulse.com> References: <1347636826.783194936@f100.mail.ru> <1347821797.146165064@f339.mail.ru> <372CD067-669F-4511-BC2A-609FB7949DA0@phulse.com> Message-ID: <1347871601.382786544@f215.mail.ru> Thank you, Hans-Christian, It worked well for WinPhone7. -- Shamil Sun, 16 Sep 2012 13:13:37 -0700 ?? Hans-Christian Andersen : >Google "HTML5 geolocation". > > Best regards, > Hans-Christian Andersen > > > On 16 Sep 2012, at 11:56, Salakhetdinov Shamil wrote: > > > Hi Jim -- > > > > I'm missing something - how can I get my current location auto-detected and presented (as a map fragment) by using Google Maps - https://maps.google.com/ running within a browser (IE10) on my Windows Phone 7.5? > > > > Thank you. > > > > -- Shamil > >?<<< skipped >>> > From jimdettman at verizon.net Mon Sep 17 08:15:17 2012 From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 09:15:17 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] The list In-Reply-To: <201209162111.q8GLBURG028027@databaseadvisors.com> References: <201209162111.q8GLBURG028027@databaseadvisors.com> Message-ID: Tony, <> Part of the issue is that there really is nothing new, so there's more OT and chatter then in the past. Access is now a mature product and in one form or another, we've all been down the various paths many times. Microsoft hasn't done all that much for developers in the last few releases. Everything added has been mostly geared towards the end user, while age old problems such as references in VBA and lack of support for 3rd party controls has not been addressed. So nothing really new to explore since A2003; a ten year gap. Yeah there's been some odd's and end's, like attachment fields, but that has been only of minor excitement. There is some new frontier to be conquered with the forth coming Office 13, so I'd expect to see some new life in the list, but I think that will be short lived. Again, Access is being geared towards the end user and in that regard, the writing's been on the wall for quite some time. So I can sympathize with your sentiments and I too for the most part now ignore the list. Stuff that is OT is not even flagged OT anymore. Jim. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tony Septav Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2012 05:11 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: [AccessD] The list Hey All I have been on this list since 1994. There was a guy called Colby ,totally true of heart but a very bumptious and annoying individual. This is not only from me but concerns from others on this list I have talked to, that the list has become a chat line. I do not see any new blood coming in and offering or asking questions. All I see is the old boys club, and a lot of "Off topic" chatter". I have rarely seen a new problem solved and yes I will include myself. I think you and myself have become dinosaurs. There are so many brilliant minds on this list and all that knowledge is being wasted. Sorry Guys I am out of here. Tony Septav Nananimo, BC Canada -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From rls at WeBeDb.com Mon Sep 17 08:39:28 2012 From: rls at WeBeDb.com (Robert Stewart) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 08:39:28 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] The list In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4A430F7C-52E5-4F2C-BC3F-8382EB76CAF5@holly.arvixe.com> For my part, I rarely pipe in any more either. My latest "claim to fame" in the MS Access world was creating an application that would allow an end user to define MS Excel workbooks in MS Access. Take a query and built an Excel workbook from it. The definition of the workbook was down to the cell level where the user could define the background color, font, border, etc. Then, I did close to the same for PowerPoint, allowing the user to define slide shows in MS Access and creating them using automation. Cross automation of Office products using MS Access and the data contained within it (or in my case, a SQL Server DB), is about the only really creative thing that I could think of left to do with it. At 08:15 AM 9/17/2012, you wrote: >Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 09:15:17 -0400 >From: "Jim Dettman" >To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" > >Subject: Re: [AccessD] The list >Message-ID: >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > >Tony, > ><will include myself. I think you and myself have become dinosaurs. There >are so many brilliant minds on this list and all that knowledge is being >wasted.>> > > Part of the issue is that there really is nothing new, so there's more OT >and chatter then in the past. > > Access is now a mature product and in one form or another, we've all been >down the various paths many times. Microsoft hasn't done all that much for >developers in the last few releases. Everything added has been mostly >geared towards the end user, while age old problems such as references in >VBA and lack of support for 3rd party controls has not been addressed. > > So nothing really new to explore since A2003; a ten year gap. Yeah there's >been some odd's and end's, like attachment fields, but that has been only of >minor excitement. > > There is some new frontier to be conquered with the forth coming Office 13, >so I'd expect to see some new life in the list, but I think that will be >short lived. Again, Access is being geared towards the end user and in that >regard, the writing's been on the wall for quite some time. > > So I can sympathize with your sentiments and I too for the most part now >ignore the list. Stuff that is OT is not even flagged OT anymore. > >Jim. Robert L. Stewart www.WeBeDb.com www.DBGUIDesign.com www.RLStewartPhotography.com From TSeptav at Uniserve.com Mon Sep 17 09:16:38 2012 From: TSeptav at Uniserve.com (Tony Septav) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 09:16:38 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] The List Message-ID: <201209171416.q8HEGf9I021965@databaseadvisors.com> Hey All I guess I am just an old fart, reminiscing about the past. I love Access and this list, it seems we all have evolved in our expertise with the program, but Access has not. It is a shame, because now this old dog will have to figure out what route to venture into next. Anyway enough of this silliness, onward and upwards, but first I have got to go find where I put my slippers. Tony Septav Nanaimo, BC Canada From fuller.artful at gmail.com Mon Sep 17 09:21:23 2012 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 10:21:23 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] The list In-Reply-To: <4A430F7C-52E5-4F2C-BC3F-8382EB76CAF5@holly.arvixe.com> References: <4A430F7C-52E5-4F2C-BC3F-8382EB76CAF5@holly.arvixe.com> Message-ID: I'm one of the old farts on this list, and like some others, I've learned a ton here and know how to accomplish most of the common tasks. However, there are at least two significant areas that I know almost nothing about. Not surprisingly, these cover features introduced in 2007/2010. The features are the Ribbon and the Navigation pane. Quite by accident I happened upon a feature of the Ribbon that I didn't know about, even though I've been using Access 2007 since its introduction. If you place the cursor anywhere on the Ribbon and then use the mouse wheel, you can cycle rapidly through the Ribbon tabs and quickly see what's available on each tab. Some years ago I got some code somewhere that customizes the standard switchboard so that merely moving the cursor over an item highlights it. A nice little touch. Then I got some other code that customizes the switchboard in a different way, breaking the items into two listboxes, the first being the main or default switchboard and the second being the list of items on each sub-switchboard. That's nicer than the standard one. But let's face it, the switchboard is a pretty dated way of presenting options. What I'd really like to know is how to create a custom ribbon that would serve essentially the same purpose as the old switchboard technology. Alternatively, I'd love to learn how to customize the Navigation pane, hiding all the items that are normally visible and adding custom items that again would be somewhat equivalent to the switchboard. That appeals to me immensely, for at least two reasons: a) you can "minimize" the Navigation pane; and b) unlike some developers, I don't like to present maximized forms; I prefer to allow the user to have several forms open at once, if she wishes, so she can hop from one task to another as her immediate need changes (for example, the phone rings and in the middle of one task she must do another). What I love about the Navigation pane is that as you open new objects, they automatically become tabs. I think that is beautiful. But in order to do what I'd like, I need to know a lot more about customizing the Nav pane than I currently do. So. This old hand doesn't know everything. Unfortunately, despite my Google searches for material about these subjects, I haven't found a lot that's useful. I did find a few basic things but nothing really in depth. If anyone can point to some URL that offers in-depth stuff about either the Ribbon or the Navigation pane, I'd be grateful. -- Arthur Cell: 647.710.1314 Prediction is difficult, especially of the future. -- Niels Bohr From fuller.artful at gmail.com Mon Sep 17 09:25:09 2012 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 10:25:09 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] The List In-Reply-To: <201209171416.q8HEGf9I021965@databaseadvisors.com> References: <201209171416.q8HEGf9I021965@databaseadvisors.com> Message-ID: Pursuant to the message I just sent, there is one other new thing that I think is really cool. I'm working up a piece on it and I'm almost finished. This concerns the new Parameters collection. In previous years I've always taken the "static function" approach to dealing with the problem of persistent values without resorting to globals. But the Parameters collection is a much better approach, and I'm gradually revising my code to use it rather than creating static functions. -- Arthur Cell: 647.710.1314 Prediction is difficult, especially of the future. -- Niels Bohr From fuller.artful at gmail.com Mon Sep 17 09:35:07 2012 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 10:35:07 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] TempVars Message-ID: Oops! In my last post I referred to a new feature of Access and mistakenly called it the Parameters collection. It's actually called the TempVars collection. Sorry about that, folks. Another senior moment. -- Arthur Cell: 647.710.1314 Prediction is difficult, especially of the future. -- Niels Bohr From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Mon Sep 17 10:07:35 2012 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 11:07:35 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] TempVars In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <50573CB7.8060608@colbyconsulting.com> > Oops! In my last post I referred to a new feature of Access and mistakenly called it the Parameters collection. It's actually called the TempVars collection. I did my own tempvars a decade ago and have used it ever since. It uses a static collection inside of the function with an optional parameter to add new variables to the collection. No optional parameter retrieved values using a name passed in. SysVar "MyVarName", MyVarValue to add MyVar = SysVar("MyVarName") to retrieve. This is so common a requirement, why does it take MS a decade to come up with the same functionality native to Access? Oh yea, I remember... pretty toolbars are *much* more important. And you wonder why there is not more real Access traffic on the list? Back in the day we were discussing the stunning advances of 97 over the old version 2.0, and then the equally stunning bugginess of Access 2000 and how to work around the issues and how to migrate 97 to 2000, and how to use the new code editor. And then we were discussing the bug fixes that came with Access 2002 and 2003. Classes and Events were available and stable and a lot to figure out there. And then things went quiet. Access 2003 was, all things considered, a stable mature product. The serious bugs that did still exist were never going to be fixed, even to this day. And then 2007 hit with its oh so enormous enhancements. and its oh so enormous new bug list. So there was a burst of traffic re that version. But of course it was pretty much not "developer" kind of stuff so mostly it was griping about the lack of developer support. And down hill from there. I now program mostly in C# and I absolutely love it. I mostly use SQL Server for my BE and I absolutely love it. So I for one don't have much to say because I am just lurking now. You guys are still friends and I will probably never leave because of that. I still pipe up when I have something useful to say. In the end the list is quiet because the Access world is quiet, at least from a developer's perspective, and we started as a developer list. John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it On 9/17/2012 10:35 AM, Arthur Fuller wrote: > Oops! In my last post I referred to a new feature of Access and mistakenly > called it the Parameters collection. It's actually called the TempVars > collection. Sorry about that, folks. Another senior moment. > From kismert at gmail.com Mon Sep 17 10:16:00 2012 From: kismert at gmail.com (Kenneth Ismert) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 10:16:00 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] The list Message-ID: As I recall, we had a discussion about a year ago about the decline of the list. Options were discussed, but no action was taken. The consensus was to let AccessD wither through inaction. One year later, I agree with Tony: the group's plan worked, and AccessD has withered. So, even though there are a multitude of open source web platforms that could be used to re-purpose and invigorate the list, I again sense that the group consensus is to do nothing. In light of this, I propose new rules: * We drop all requirements for topicality. This is a social group only. The only rule is that on every 100th post someone writes 'Access' * Every year or so, another long-standing member must complain about the decline of the list * Everyone else further agrees to discount the complaint, and deny that anything can be done about the decline Let's stop kidding ourselves here, and acknowledge what we have made the group into. -Ken From: "Tony Septav" > Subject: [AccessD] The list > Hey All > > I have been on this list since 1994. There was a guy called Colby ,totally > true of heart but a very bumptious and annoying individual. This is not > only > from me but concerns from others on this list I have talked to, that the > list has become a chat line. I do not see any new blood coming in and > offering or asking questions. All I see is the old boys club, and a lot of > "Off topic" chatter". I have rarely seen a new problem solved and yes I > will include myself. I think you and myself have become dinosaurs. There > are so many brilliant minds on this list and all that knowledge is being > wasted. > > > > Sorry Guys I am out of here. > > Tony Septav > > Nananimo, BC > > Canada > > > From accessd at shaw.ca Mon Sep 17 10:20:14 2012 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 08:20:14 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] The List In-Reply-To: <201209171416.q8HEGf9I021965@databaseadvisors.com> References: <201209171416.q8HEGf9I021965@databaseadvisors.com> Message-ID: <0E647E59A38442F98BE068C209D9EEC4@creativesystemdesigns.com> Hi Tony: MS Access was at one time the major development platform for small to medium databases. Even though Access can do amazing things computer wide application designs have moved on but MS has not moved the product on, other than a face-lift or two. Most application developers I deal with on a day to day bases work on the web or work, legacy databases and some new desktop stuff...a very mixed bag. There are still many sites that depend on Access databases but clients tend to be reluctant to pay contractors the true value of development...that is as much perception as a sign of the recessionary times. As for the people here being able to answer computer questions; I have rarely seem a more willing and brilliant bunch. The people here on the list can answer just about everything on any system and not just Access, you could throw at them or know away around a problem. I have watched many complex questions worked through and resolved here and I am still very impressed. In summary, when it comes right down it, it is the people that make site/list what it is. If you want more; as was said in Rome, a couple of thousand years ago, "Ask not what this list can do for you, ask what you can do for this list". If you want sometime to do to help, just ask... I can think of a few things that an "old Fart" with time on his hands can do and I am sure many others have many more good ideas. Jim -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tony Septav Sent: Monday, September 17, 2012 7:17 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: [AccessD] The List Hey All I guess I am just an old fart, reminiscing about the past. I love Access and this list, it seems we all have evolved in our expertise with the program, but Access has not. It is a shame, because now this old dog will have to figure out what route to venture into next. Anyway enough of this silliness, onward and upwards, but first I have got to go find where I put my slippers. Tony Septav Nanaimo, BC Canada -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Mon Sep 17 10:23:54 2012 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 08:23:54 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] TempVars In-Reply-To: <50573CB7.8060608@colbyconsulting.com> References: <50573CB7.8060608@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <83D8F34A78FC45FD98E17274F95F3AB1@creativesystemdesigns.com> It is time to start using senior programmers to build this appliocation and forget those co-op students. ;-) Jim -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: Monday, September 17, 2012 8:08 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] TempVars > Oops! In my last post I referred to a new feature of Access and mistakenly called it the Parameters collection. It's actually called the TempVars collection. I did my own tempvars a decade ago and have used it ever since. It uses a static collection inside of the function with an optional parameter to add new variables to the collection. No optional parameter retrieved values using a name passed in. SysVar "MyVarName", MyVarValue to add MyVar = SysVar("MyVarName") to retrieve. This is so common a requirement, why does it take MS a decade to come up with the same functionality native to Access? Oh yea, I remember... pretty toolbars are *much* more important. And you wonder why there is not more real Access traffic on the list? Back in the day we were discussing the stunning advances of 97 over the old version 2.0, and then the equally stunning bugginess of Access 2000 and how to work around the issues and how to migrate 97 to 2000, and how to use the new code editor. And then we were discussing the bug fixes that came with Access 2002 and 2003. Classes and Events were available and stable and a lot to figure out there. And then things went quiet. Access 2003 was, all things considered, a stable mature product. The serious bugs that did still exist were never going to be fixed, even to this day. And then 2007 hit with its oh so enormous enhancements. and its oh so enormous new bug list. So there was a burst of traffic re that version. But of course it was pretty much not "developer" kind of stuff so mostly it was griping about the lack of developer support. And down hill from there. I now program mostly in C# and I absolutely love it. I mostly use SQL Server for my BE and I absolutely love it. So I for one don't have much to say because I am just lurking now. You guys are still friends and I will probably never leave because of that. I still pipe up when I have something useful to say. In the end the list is quiet because the Access world is quiet, at least from a developer's perspective, and we started as a developer list. John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it On 9/17/2012 10:35 AM, Arthur Fuller wrote: > Oops! In my last post I referred to a new feature of Access and mistakenly > called it the Parameters collection. It's actually called the TempVars > collection. Sorry about that, folks. Another senior moment. > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From gustav at cactus.dk Mon Sep 17 10:39:56 2012 From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 17:39:56 +0200 Subject: [AccessD] TempVars Message-ID: Hi John As usual you have summed up the legend nicely. My former son-in-law told me that if I turned to Visual Studio (that was at the launch of VS2005) I would never look back. He was right. /gustav PS: Why are TempVars named so when they are persistent? (so I understand, have never used them). >>> jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com 17-09-12 17:07 >>> > Oops! In my last post I referred to a new feature of Access and mistakenly called it the Parameters collection. It's actually called the TempVars collection. I did my own tempvars a decade ago and have used it ever since. It uses a static collection inside of the function with an optional parameter to add new variables to the collection. No optional parameter retrieved values using a name passed in. SysVar "MyVarName", MyVarValue to add MyVar = SysVar("MyVarName") to retrieve. This is so common a requirement, why does it take MS a decade to come up with the same functionality native to Access? Oh yea, I remember... pretty toolbars are *much* more important. And you wonder why there is not more real Access traffic on the list? Back in the day we were discussing the stunning advances of 97 over the old version 2.0, and then the equally stunning bugginess of Access 2000 and how to work around the issues and how to migrate 97 to 2000, and how to use the new code editor. And then we were discussing the bug fixes that came with Access 2002 and 2003. Classes and Events were available and stable and a lot to figure out there. And then things went quiet. Access 2003 was, all things considered, a stable mature product. The serious bugs that did still exist were never going to be fixed, even to this day. And then 2007 hit with its oh so enormous enhancements. and its oh so enormous new bug list. So there was a burst of traffic re that version. But of course it was pretty much not "developer" kind of stuff so mostly it was griping about the lack of developer support. And down hill from there. I now program mostly in C# and I absolutely love it. I mostly use SQL Server for my BE and I absolutely love it. So I for one don't have much to say because I am just lurking now. You guys are still friends and I will probably never leave because of that. I still pipe up when I have something useful to say. In the end the list is quiet because the Access world is quiet, at least from a developer's perspective, and we started as a developer list. John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it On 9/17/2012 10:35 AM, Arthur Fuller wrote: > Oops! In my last post I referred to a new feature of Access and mistakenly > called it the Parameters collection. It's actually called the TempVars > collection. Sorry about that, folks. Another senior moment. From charlotte.foust at gmail.com Mon Sep 17 10:26:58 2012 From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 08:26:58 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] TempVars In-Reply-To: <50573CB7.8060608@colbyconsulting.com> References: <50573CB7.8060608@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: I, too, built similar devices and kept them for backwards compatibility as time moved on. Since MS has left backwards compatibility in the dust, maybe we should too, John. Charlotte On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 8:07 AM, jwcolby wrote: > > Oops! In my last post I referred to a new feature of Access and > mistakenly called it the Parameters collection. It's actually called the > TempVars collection. > > I did my own tempvars a decade ago and have used it ever since. It uses a > static collection inside of the function with an optional parameter to add > new variables to the collection. No optional parameter retrieved values > using a name passed in. > > SysVar "MyVarName", MyVarValue to add > MyVar = SysVar("MyVarName") to retrieve. > > This is so common a requirement, why does it take MS a decade to come up > with the same functionality native to Access? > > Oh yea, I remember... pretty toolbars are *much* more important. > > And you wonder why there is not more real Access traffic on the list? > Back in the day we were discussing the stunning advances of 97 over the > old version 2.0, and then the equally stunning bugginess of Access 2000 and > how to work around the issues and how to migrate 97 to 2000, and how to use > the new code editor. And then we were discussing the bug fixes that came > with Access 2002 and 2003. Classes and Events were available and stable > and a lot to figure out there. > > And then things went quiet. Access 2003 was, all things considered, a > stable mature product. The serious bugs that did still exist were never > going to be fixed, even to this day. > > And then 2007 hit with its oh so enormous enhancements. and its oh so > enormous new bug list. So there was a burst of traffic re that version. > But of course it was pretty much not "developer" kind of stuff so mostly > it was griping about the lack of developer support. > > And down hill from there. > > I now program mostly in C# and I absolutely love it. I mostly use SQL > Server for my BE and I absolutely love it. So I for one don't have much to > say because I am just lurking now. You guys are still friends and I will > probably never leave because of that. I still pipe up when I have > something useful to say. > > In the end the list is quiet because the Access world is quiet, at least > from a developer's perspective, and we started as a developer list. > > John W. Colby > Colby Consulting > > Reality is what refuses to go away > when you do not believe in it > > > On 9/17/2012 10:35 AM, Arthur Fuller wrote: > >> Oops! In my last post I referred to a new feature of Access and mistakenly >> called it the Parameters collection. It's actually called the TempVars >> collection. Sorry about that, folks. Another senior moment. >> >> > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/accessd > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.**com > > > From gustav at cactus.dk Mon Sep 17 11:02:08 2012 From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 18:02:08 +0200 Subject: [AccessD] SQL Server 2005 Embedded Edition Message-ID: Hi all A client runs a Small Business 2008 server. I need to establish a tiny SQL database which her Access application can attach via ODBC. But can I use the "SQL Server 2005 Embedded Edition" that is running on the server? It has two instances running, SBSMONITORING and Microsoft##SSEE. Can I safely create a new database in either of these? I have full admin rights to the server. /gustav From hans.andersen at phulse.com Mon Sep 17 10:53:59 2012 From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 08:53:59 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] HTML5 Geolocation - was RE: Bootcamp or Paralells - was RE: OT: iPhone/iPaddevelopment on an MS Windows PC - noway? In-Reply-To: <1347871601.382786544@f215.mail.ru> References: <1347636826.783194936@f100.mail.ru> <1347821797.146165064@f339.mail.ru> <372CD067-669F-4511-BC2A-609FB7949DA0@phulse.com> <1347871601.382786544@f215.mail.ru> Message-ID: <1A1C50B5-371F-4B37-AFA4-2B528BF2D71A@phulse.com> Glad to hear it :) Best regards, Hans-Christian Andersen On 17 Sep 2012, at 01:46, Salakhetdinov Shamil wrote: > Thank you, Hans-Christian, > > It worked well for WinPhone7. > > -- Shamil > > > Sun, 16 Sep 2012 13:13:37 -0700 ?? Hans-Christian Andersen : >> Google "HTML5 geolocation". >> >> > Best regards, >> > Hans-Christian Andersen >> >> >> > On 16 Sep 2012, at 11:56, Salakhetdinov Shamil wrote: >> >> >> Hi Jim -- >> >> >> >> I'm missing something - how can I get my current location auto-detected and presented (as a map fragment) by using Google Maps - https://maps.google.com/ running within a browser (IE10) on my Windows Phone 7.5? >> >> >> >> Thank you. >> >> >> >> -- Shamil >> >> <<< skipped >>> > >> > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From gustav at cactus.dk Mon Sep 17 11:34:43 2012 From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 18:34:43 +0200 Subject: [AccessD] SQL Server 2005 Embedded Edition Message-ID: Hi all I located this page: http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc794697(v=WS.10).aspx and the answer to my question seems to be a no-no. Would I be better off by just installing an instance of SQL Server 2008 Express? This, I guess, can't disturb the 2005 instances. Any traps here? The server is not very busy. /gustav >>> gustav at cactus.dk 17-09-12 18:02 >>> Hi all A client runs a Small Business 2008 server. I need to establish a tiny SQL database which her Access application can attach via ODBC. But can I use the "SQL Server 2005 Embedded Edition" that is running on the server? It has two instances running, SBSMONITORING and Microsoft##SSEE. Can I safely create a new database in either of these? I have full admin rights to the server. /gustav -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From rusty.hammond at cpiqpc.com Mon Sep 17 11:29:07 2012 From: rusty.hammond at cpiqpc.com (Rusty Hammond) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 11:29:07 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] SQL Server 2005 Embedded Edition In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49A286ABF515E94A8505CD14DEB721701744AE37@CPIEMAIL-EVS1.CPIQPC.NET> Gustav, I've done this very thing with an SBS 2003 server. Left the embedded stuff alone and installed SQL Server 2005 Express. Have no issues and been running for 3-4 years. Rusty -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: Monday, September 17, 2012 11:35 AM To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com; dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [AccessD] SQL Server 2005 Embedded Edition Hi all I located this page: http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc794697(v=WS.10).aspx and the answer to my question seems to be a no-no. Would I be better off by just installing an instance of SQL Server 2008 Express? This, I guess, can't disturb the 2005 instances. Any traps here? The server is not very busy. /gustav >>> gustav at cactus.dk 17-09-12 18:02 >>> Hi all A client runs a Small Business 2008 server. I need to establish a tiny SQL database which her Access application can attach via ODBC. But can I use the "SQL Server 2005 Embedded Edition" that is running on the server? It has two instances running, SBSMONITORING and Microsoft##SSEE. Can I safely create a new database in either of these? I have full admin rights to the server. /gustav -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com ********************************************************************** WARNING: All e-mail sent to and from this address will be received, scanned or otherwise recorded by the CPI Qualified Plan Consultants, Inc. corporate e-mail system and is subject to archival, monitoring or review by, and/or disclosure to, someone other than the recipient. ********************************************************************** From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Mon Sep 17 11:36:27 2012 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 12:36:27 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] The list In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5057518B.7030505@colbyconsulting.com> > The consensus was to let AccessD wither through inaction. One year later, I agree with Tony: the group's plan worked, and AccessD has withered. My recollection was to have you and Tony come up with a plan of action to cause Microsoft to enhance the product such that there was a massive new buzz and, with millions of Access jobs pouring out of the re-invigorated market for Access, to cause developers to start pouring into the list. It seems that you have failed in your charge. We shall flog you with a cat-o-nines as soon as we discover where in the world you may be located - and where to find a cat-o-nines. I wrote a lucid and realistic explanation of why the list existed to begin with (I was around at the beginning, and I kinda remember why we were there and what was being discussed) and why it is not so active any more. You can throw whiz-bang technologies at the problem till the digital cows come home but if there is nothing being done in the platform, it is unlikely that there will be a ton of traffic on a developer list for the platform. In light of this I concur with your new rules, paraphrased a bit. 1) We admit that Access has withered on the vine. 2) We admit that Microsoft, with malice and forethought, intentionally allowed Access to die as a development platform. 3) Given points 1 and 2, we loosen the rules to explicitly allow more chat, keeping the topics to something technical remotely related to databases or programming. 4) We quit flogging the list for not forcing Microsoft to make Access more relevant to Databases and therefore to us. 5) We horsewhip you and Tony for your failures mentioned above. 6) We re-task yourself and Tony to do whatever you believe would turn this list back into a burgeoning and lively place to discuss stuff, paying you handsomely if you manage to do so. Sound good? Or... we are a publicly held company. You could call a meeting of the board and demand changes. It would be good to have solid plans for such changes, but I am certain that the board would entertain your requests. John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it On 9/17/2012 11:16 AM, Kenneth Ismert wrote: > As I recall, we had a discussion about a year ago about the decline of the > list. Options were discussed, but no action was taken. > > The consensus was to let AccessD wither through inaction. One year later, I > agree with Tony: the group's plan worked, and AccessD has withered. > > So, even though there are a multitude of open source web platforms that > could be used to re-purpose and invigorate the list, I again sense that the > group consensus is to do nothing. > > In light of this, I propose new rules: > * We drop all requirements for topicality. This is a social group only. > The only rule is that on every 100th post someone writes 'Access' > * Every year or so, another long-standing member must complain about the > decline of the list > * Everyone else further agrees to discount the complaint, and deny that > anything can be done about the decline > > Let's stop kidding ourselves here, and acknowledge what we have made the > group into. > > -Ken From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Mon Sep 17 11:41:10 2012 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 12:41:10 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] TempVars In-Reply-To: References: <50573CB7.8060608@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <505752A6.90308@colbyconsulting.com> Well... I would except that I continue to develop in 2003 when I do anything at all in Access. John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it On 9/17/2012 11:26 AM, Charlotte Foust wrote: > I, too, built similar devices and kept them for backwards compatibility as > time moved on. Since MS has left backwards compatibility in the dust, > maybe we should too, John. > > Charlotte > > On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 8:07 AM, jwcolby wrote: > >>> Oops! In my last post I referred to a new feature of Access and >> mistakenly called it the Parameters collection. It's actually called the >> TempVars collection. >> >> I did my own tempvars a decade ago and have used it ever since. It uses a >> static collection inside of the function with an optional parameter to add >> new variables to the collection. No optional parameter retrieved values >> using a name passed in. >> >> SysVar "MyVarName", MyVarValue to add >> MyVar = SysVar("MyVarName") to retrieve. >> >> This is so common a requirement, why does it take MS a decade to come up >> with the same functionality native to Access? >> >> Oh yea, I remember... pretty toolbars are *much* more important. >> >> And you wonder why there is not more real Access traffic on the list? >> Back in the day we were discussing the stunning advances of 97 over the >> old version 2.0, and then the equally stunning bugginess of Access 2000 and >> how to work around the issues and how to migrate 97 to 2000, and how to use >> the new code editor. And then we were discussing the bug fixes that came >> with Access 2002 and 2003. Classes and Events were available and stable >> and a lot to figure out there. >> >> And then things went quiet. Access 2003 was, all things considered, a >> stable mature product. The serious bugs that did still exist were never >> going to be fixed, even to this day. >> >> And then 2007 hit with its oh so enormous enhancements. and its oh so >> enormous new bug list. So there was a burst of traffic re that version. >> But of course it was pretty much not "developer" kind of stuff so mostly >> it was griping about the lack of developer support. >> >> And down hill from there. >> >> I now program mostly in C# and I absolutely love it. I mostly use SQL >> Server for my BE and I absolutely love it. So I for one don't have much to >> say because I am just lurking now. You guys are still friends and I will >> probably never leave because of that. I still pipe up when I have >> something useful to say. >> >> In the end the list is quiet because the Access world is quiet, at least >> from a developer's perspective, and we started as a developer list. >> >> John W. Colby >> Colby Consulting >> >> Reality is what refuses to go away >> when you do not believe in it >> >> >> On 9/17/2012 10:35 AM, Arthur Fuller wrote: >> >>> Oops! In my last post I referred to a new feature of Access and mistakenly >>> called it the Parameters collection. It's actually called the TempVars >>> collection. Sorry about that, folks. Another senior moment. >>> >>> >> -- >> AccessD mailing list >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/accessd >> >> >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.**com >> >> >> From john at winhaven.net Mon Sep 17 12:07:20 2012 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 12:07:20 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] The list In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <003b01cd94f6$e62284e0$b2678ea0$@winhaven.net> We do have other lists, and one just for OT topics. For those of us that can figure out our email filters and rules it does make life much more convenient. When I need Access help I can expect to find the answer in short term. Same with the VB, Tech and SQL Server lists. When I want to discuss, well OK argue, about social topics well then I can click right on OT and can do that. Honestly, with all the abilities of our email programs, I don't see what the bother is all about. If you use a forum for these types of things no one would abuse the forums like they do these lists or they would be booted off in short order! John B. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kenneth Ismert Sent: Monday, September 17, 2012 10:16 AM To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [AccessD] The list As I recall, we had a discussion about a year ago about the decline of the list. Options were discussed, but no action was taken. The consensus was to let AccessD wither through inaction. One year later, I agree with Tony: the group's plan worked, and AccessD has withered. So, even though there are a multitude of open source web platforms that could be used to re-purpose and invigorate the list, I again sense that the group consensus is to do nothing. In light of this, I propose new rules: * We drop all requirements for topicality. This is a social group only. The only rule is that on every 100th post someone writes 'Access' * Every year or so, another long-standing member must complain about the decline of the list * Everyone else further agrees to discount the complaint, and deny that anything can be done about the decline Let's stop kidding ourselves here, and acknowledge what we have made the group into. -Ken From: "Tony Septav" > Subject: [AccessD] The list > Hey All > > I have been on this list since 1994. There was a guy called Colby > ,totally true of heart but a very bumptious and annoying individual. > This is not only from me but concerns from others on this list I have > talked to, that the list has become a chat line. I do not see any new > blood coming in and offering or asking questions. All I see is the old > boys club, and a lot of "Off topic" chatter". I have rarely seen a > new problem solved and yes I will include myself. I think you and > myself have become dinosaurs. There are so many brilliant minds on > this list and all that knowledge is being wasted. > > > > Sorry Guys I am out of here. > > Tony Septav > > Nananimo, BC > > Canada > > > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From hans.andersen at phulse.com Mon Sep 17 12:18:17 2012 From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 10:18:17 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] The list In-Reply-To: <5057518B.7030505@colbyconsulting.com> References: <5057518B.7030505@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: As a relatively recent join to this group, I do not use Access in any professional sense (nor any Microsoft technology, for that matter), but I joined because I was interested in the more off topic discussions with other tech curious members and the occasional debates. I don't see why it can't continue along those lines? It's also nice to have a group, where many of its members have known each other for some time, and to be in a group of experienced professionals, rather than being in a less experienced, but heavily opinionated (as it tends to be) crowd. - Hans On 2012-09-17, at 9:36 AM, jwcolby wrote: > > The consensus was to let AccessD wither through inaction. One year later, I agree with Tony: the group's plan worked, and AccessD has withered. > > My recollection was to have you and Tony come up with a plan of action to cause Microsoft to enhance the product such that there was a massive new buzz and, with millions of Access jobs pouring out of the re-invigorated market for Access, to cause developers to start pouring into the list. > > It seems that you have failed in your charge. We shall flog you with a cat-o-nines as soon as we discover where in the world you may be located - and where to find a cat-o-nines. > > I wrote a lucid and realistic explanation of why the list existed to begin with (I was around at the beginning, and I kinda remember why we were there and what was being discussed) and why it is not so active any more. You can throw whiz-bang technologies at the problem till the digital cows come home but if there is nothing being done in the platform, it is unlikely that there will be a ton of traffic on a developer list for the platform. > > In light of this I concur with your new rules, paraphrased a bit. > > 1) We admit that Access has withered on the vine. > 2) We admit that Microsoft, with malice and forethought, intentionally allowed Access to die as a development platform. > 3) Given points 1 and 2, we loosen the rules to explicitly allow more chat, keeping the topics to something technical remotely related to databases or programming. > 4) We quit flogging the list for not forcing Microsoft to make Access more relevant to Databases and therefore to us. > 5) We horsewhip you and Tony for your failures mentioned above. > 6) We re-task yourself and Tony to do whatever you believe would turn this list back into a burgeoning and lively place to discuss stuff, paying you handsomely if you manage to do so. > > Sound good? > > Or... we are a publicly held company. You could call a meeting of the board and demand changes. It would be good to have solid plans for such changes, but I am certain that the board would entertain your requests. > > John W. Colby > Colby Consulting > > Reality is what refuses to go away > when you do not believe in it > > On 9/17/2012 11:16 AM, Kenneth Ismert wrote: >> As I recall, we had a discussion about a year ago about the decline of the >> list. Options were discussed, but no action was taken. >> >> The consensus was to let AccessD wither through inaction. One year later, I >> agree with Tony: the group's plan worked, and AccessD has withered. >> >> So, even though there are a multitude of open source web platforms that >> could be used to re-purpose and invigorate the list, I again sense that the >> group consensus is to do nothing. >> >> In light of this, I propose new rules: >> * We drop all requirements for topicality. This is a social group only. >> The only rule is that on every 100th post someone writes 'Access' >> * Every year or so, another long-standing member must complain about the >> decline of the list >> * Everyone else further agrees to discount the complaint, and deny that >> anything can be done about the decline >> >> Let's stop kidding ourselves here, and acknowledge what we have made the >> group into. >> >> -Ken > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From hans.andersen at phulse.com Mon Sep 17 12:20:25 2012 From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 10:20:25 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] The list In-Reply-To: <003b01cd94f6$e62284e0$b2678ea0$@winhaven.net> References: <003b01cd94f6$e62284e0$b2678ea0$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: Speaking of which, why dont we add more mailing lists that reflect more what is talked about more these days - for instance a Linux list or mobile dev (iOS, android, win phone) list? - Hans On 2012-09-17, at 10:07 AM, "John Bartow" wrote: > We do have other lists, and one just for OT topics. For those of us that can > figure out our email filters and rules it does make life much more > convenient. When I need Access help I can expect to find the answer in short > term. Same with the VB, Tech and SQL Server lists. When I want to discuss, > well OK argue, about social topics well then I can click right on OT and can > do that. Honestly, with all the abilities of our email programs, I don't see > what the bother is all about. If you use a forum for these types of things > no one would abuse the forums like they do these lists or they would be > booted off in short order! > > John B. > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kenneth Ismert > Sent: Monday, September 17, 2012 10:16 AM > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com > Subject: Re: [AccessD] The list > > As I recall, we had a discussion about a year ago about the decline of the > list. Options were discussed, but no action was taken. > > The consensus was to let AccessD wither through inaction. One year later, I > agree with Tony: the group's plan worked, and AccessD has withered. > > So, even though there are a multitude of open source web platforms that > could be used to re-purpose and invigorate the list, I again sense that the > group consensus is to do nothing. > > In light of this, I propose new rules: > * We drop all requirements for topicality. This is a social group only. > The only rule is that on every 100th post someone writes 'Access' > * Every year or so, another long-standing member must complain about the > decline of the list > * Everyone else further agrees to discount the complaint, and deny that > anything can be done about the decline > > Let's stop kidding ourselves here, and acknowledge what we have made the > group into. > > -Ken > > From: "Tony Septav" >> Subject: [AccessD] The list >> Hey All >> >> I have been on this list since 1994. There was a guy called Colby >> ,totally true of heart but a very bumptious and annoying individual. >> This is not only from me but concerns from others on this list I have >> talked to, that the list has become a chat line. I do not see any new >> blood coming in and offering or asking questions. All I see is the old >> boys club, and a lot of "Off topic" chatter". I have rarely seen a >> new problem solved and yes I will include myself. I think you and >> myself have become dinosaurs. There are so many brilliant minds on >> this list and all that knowledge is being wasted. >> >> >> >> Sorry Guys I am out of here. >> >> Tony Septav >> >> Nananimo, BC >> >> Canada >> >> >> > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From ssharkins at gmail.com Mon Sep 17 12:25:10 2012 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 13:25:10 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] The list References: <003b01cd94f6$e62284e0$b2678ea0$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: I'm confused about the topic. If you want to discuss Access, you can. Just ask a question, start a discussion. I'm just not using Access much anymore, so there's nothing for me to ask about or discuss. I would like an MS Office list, but I think I might be the only one. :) I would be active on an Office list. I often ask Office related questions on the Tech list, but seldom get a response -- I don't think Office is a particular expertise/interest there, but it seems to be the "if no other list opportunity, ask here" list for me. Usually, I end up asking on the OT list and usually get good help there, even though it's not a technical list! ;) Susan H. > We do have other lists, and one just for OT topics. For those of us that > can > figure out our email filters and rules it does make life much more > convenient. When I need Access help I can expect to find the answer in > short > > John B. > > > As I recall, we had a discussion about a year ago about the decline of the > list. Options were discussed, but no action was taken. > From dbdoug at gmail.com Mon Sep 17 12:23:25 2012 From: dbdoug at gmail.com (Doug Steele) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 10:23:25 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] SQL Server 2005 Embedded Edition In-Reply-To: <49A286ABF515E94A8505CD14DEB721701744AE37@CPIEMAIL-EVS1.CPIQPC.NET> References: <49A286ABF515E94A8505CD14DEB721701744AE37@CPIEMAIL-EVS1.CPIQPC.NET> Message-ID: >I've done this very thing with an SBS 2003 server. Left the embedded >stuff alone and installed SQL Server 2005 Express. Have no issues and >been running for 3-4 years. Same here - no problems for several years. Installed SQL Server 2005 Express then upgraded to 2008 Express to run the MS Business Contact Manager add-on for Outlook. And I also use the SQL Server Express for Access related dbs. Doug From Gustav at cactus.dk Mon Sep 17 12:38:36 2012 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 19:38:36 +0200 Subject: [AccessD] SQL Server 2005 Embedded Edition Message-ID: Hi Rusty and Robert OK, thanks. Got the message. I'll go for an SQL Server 2008 Express install and keep things separated. /gustav >>> rusty.hammond at cpiqpc.com 17-09-12 18:29 >>> Gustav, I've done this very thing with an SBS 2003 server. Left the embedded stuff alone and installed SQL Server 2005 Express. Have no issues and been running for 3-4 years. Rusty -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: Monday, September 17, 2012 11:35 AM To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com; dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [AccessD] SQL Server 2005 Embedded Edition Hi all I located this page: http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc794697(v=WS.10).aspx and the answer to my question seems to be a no-no. Would I be better off by just installing an instance of SQL Server 2008 Express? This, I guess, can't disturb the 2005 instances. Any traps here? The server is not very busy. /gustav >>> gustav at cactus.dk 17-09-12 18:02 >>> Hi all A client runs a Small Business 2008 server. I need to establish a tiny SQL database which her Access application can attach via ODBC. But can I use the "SQL Server 2005 Embedded Edition" that is running on the server? It has two instances running, SBSMONITORING and Microsoft##SSEE. Can I safely create a new database in either of these? I have full admin rights to the server. /gustav From Gustav at cactus.dk Mon Sep 17 12:46:44 2012 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 19:46:44 +0200 Subject: [AccessD] SQL Server 2005 Embedded Edition Message-ID: Hi Doug Now you mention it - MS Business Contact Manager add-on - how are you satisfied with this? I remember a client installing it, and after a while we had to uninstall as it brought the Exchange server to a crawl. That is several years ago though, a SBS2003 if I recall, so the situation may have changed. Perhaps you just need horse power. We have the install CD on the shelf but I have been reluctant to check it out. /gustav >>> dbdoug at gmail.com 17-09-12 19:23 >>> >I've done this very thing with an SBS 2003 server. Left the embedded >stuff alone and installed SQL Server 2005 Express. Have no issues and >been running for 3-4 years. Same here - no problems for several years. Installed SQL Server 2005 Express then upgraded to 2008 Express to run the MS Business Contact Manager add-on for Outlook. And I also use the SQL Server Express for Access related dbs. Doug From john at winhaven.net Mon Sep 17 12:38:03 2012 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 12:38:03 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] The list In-Reply-To: References: <003b01cd94f6$e62284e0$b2678ea0$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: <005b01cd94fb$30d80ce0$928826a0$@winhaven.net> We discussed that a while ago and the thought was to use the Tech list for that. But it has been quite a while. I suppose we should have another board meeting someday... -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Hans-Christian Andersen Sent: Monday, September 17, 2012 12:20 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] The list Speaking of which, why dont we add more mailing lists that reflect more what is talked about more these days - for instance a Linux list or mobile dev (iOS, android, win phone) list? - Hans On 2012-09-17, at 10:07 AM, "John Bartow" wrote: > We do have other lists, and one just for OT topics. For those of us > that can figure out our email filters and rules it does make life much > more convenient. When I need Access help I can expect to find the > answer in short term. Same with the VB, Tech and SQL Server lists. > When I want to discuss, well OK argue, about social topics well then I > can click right on OT and can do that. Honestly, with all the > abilities of our email programs, I don't see what the bother is all > about. If you use a forum for these types of things no one would abuse > the forums like they do these lists or they would be booted off in short order! > > John B. > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kenneth > Ismert > Sent: Monday, September 17, 2012 10:16 AM > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com > Subject: Re: [AccessD] The list > > As I recall, we had a discussion about a year ago about the decline of > the list. Options were discussed, but no action was taken. > > The consensus was to let AccessD wither through inaction. One year > later, I agree with Tony: the group's plan worked, and AccessD has withered. > > So, even though there are a multitude of open source web platforms > that could be used to re-purpose and invigorate the list, I again > sense that the group consensus is to do nothing. > > In light of this, I propose new rules: > * We drop all requirements for topicality. This is a social group only. > The only rule is that on every 100th post someone writes 'Access' > * Every year or so, another long-standing member must complain about > the decline of the list > * Everyone else further agrees to discount the complaint, and deny > that anything can be done about the decline > > Let's stop kidding ourselves here, and acknowledge what we have made > the group into. > > -Ken > > From: "Tony Septav" >> Subject: [AccessD] The list >> Hey All >> >> I have been on this list since 1994. There was a guy called Colby >> ,totally true of heart but a very bumptious and annoying individual. >> This is not only from me but concerns from others on this list I have >> talked to, that the list has become a chat line. I do not see any new >> blood coming in and offering or asking questions. All I see is the >> old boys club, and a lot of "Off topic" chatter". I have rarely seen >> a new problem solved and yes I will include myself. I think you and >> myself have become dinosaurs. There are so many brilliant minds on >> this list and all that knowledge is being wasted. >> >> >> >> Sorry Guys I am out of here. >> >> Tony Septav >> >> Nananimo, BC >> >> Canada >> >> >> > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Mon Sep 17 13:22:09 2012 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 11:22:09 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] SQL Server 2005 Embedded Edition In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <821C469C753541BCA8F1EB988116AF8F@creativesystemdesigns.com> Hi Gustav: You can change the listening port(s) if you are concerned with conflicts. Jim -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: Monday, September 17, 2012 9:35 AM To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com; dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [AccessD] SQL Server 2005 Embedded Edition Hi all I located this page: http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc794697(v=WS.10).aspx and the answer to my question seems to be a no-no. Would I be better off by just installing an instance of SQL Server 2008 Express? This, I guess, can't disturb the 2005 instances. Any traps here? The server is not very busy. /gustav >>> gustav at cactus.dk 17-09-12 18:02 >>> Hi all A client runs a Small Business 2008 server. I need to establish a tiny SQL database which her Access application can attach via ODBC. But can I use the "SQL Server 2005 Embedded Edition" that is running on the server? It has two instances running, SBSMONITORING and Microsoft##SSEE. Can I safely create a new database in either of these? I have full admin rights to the server. /gustav -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Mon Sep 17 13:42:04 2012 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 11:42:04 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] The list In-Reply-To: References: <003b01cd94f6$e62284e0$b2678ea0$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: <81EBD3CD47FD4431ADE8DAB50E068FDA@creativesystemdesigns.com> The DBA-Tech list is an excellent spot to post and comment on the recent advances in technology. Like; different operating systems (Linux, Apple and even Windows ;-)), web design (a huge area of growth with many sub-sections) and most importantly the inter-operability between them all (boiler-plating and mash-ups of code and functionality). I think many people do not even know that this list exists... There is also a full DBA website that still gets a hundred or so hits a day, even though it has not been updated in a year. This site which was intended as a showcase for our contractor talents and accomplishment, a place to view the latest news and a common pool of recommended information and the latest tutorial sites. Now all that is needed is smart techs (like in more than one) with some time and some vision. Jim -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Hans-Christian Andersen Sent: Monday, September 17, 2012 10:20 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] The list Speaking of which, why dont we add more mailing lists that reflect more what is talked about more these days - for instance a Linux list or mobile dev (iOS, android, win phone) list? - Hans On 2012-09-17, at 10:07 AM, "John Bartow" wrote: > We do have other lists, and one just for OT topics. For those of us that can > figure out our email filters and rules it does make life much more > convenient. When I need Access help I can expect to find the answer in short > term. Same with the VB, Tech and SQL Server lists. When I want to discuss, > well OK argue, about social topics well then I can click right on OT and can > do that. Honestly, with all the abilities of our email programs, I don't see > what the bother is all about. If you use a forum for these types of things > no one would abuse the forums like they do these lists or they would be > booted off in short order! > > John B. > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kenneth Ismert > Sent: Monday, September 17, 2012 10:16 AM > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com > Subject: Re: [AccessD] The list > > As I recall, we had a discussion about a year ago about the decline of the > list. Options were discussed, but no action was taken. > > The consensus was to let AccessD wither through inaction. One year later, I > agree with Tony: the group's plan worked, and AccessD has withered. > > So, even though there are a multitude of open source web platforms that > could be used to re-purpose and invigorate the list, I again sense that the > group consensus is to do nothing. > > In light of this, I propose new rules: > * We drop all requirements for topicality. This is a social group only. > The only rule is that on every 100th post someone writes 'Access' > * Every year or so, another long-standing member must complain about the > decline of the list > * Everyone else further agrees to discount the complaint, and deny that > anything can be done about the decline > > Let's stop kidding ourselves here, and acknowledge what we have made the > group into. > > -Ken > > From: "Tony Septav" >> Subject: [AccessD] The list >> Hey All >> >> I have been on this list since 1994. There was a guy called Colby >> ,totally true of heart but a very bumptious and annoying individual. >> This is not only from me but concerns from others on this list I have >> talked to, that the list has become a chat line. I do not see any new >> blood coming in and offering or asking questions. All I see is the old >> boys club, and a lot of "Off topic" chatter". I have rarely seen a >> new problem solved and yes I will include myself. I think you and >> myself have become dinosaurs. There are so many brilliant minds on >> this list and all that knowledge is being wasted. >> >> >> >> Sorry Guys I am out of here. >> >> Tony Septav >> >> Nananimo, BC >> >> Canada >> >> >> > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Mon Sep 17 14:02:03 2012 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 15:02:03 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] The list In-Reply-To: <005b01cd94fb$30d80ce0$928826a0$@winhaven.net> References: <003b01cd94f6$e62284e0$b2678ea0$@winhaven.net> <005b01cd94fb$30d80ce0$928826a0$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: I think that I'm with Hans-Christian on this topic, which is to say, we might invigorate the site by adding more lists, each devoted to a programming language, and perhaps more narrowly, a language oriented towards databases. For example, I'm currently learning two new languages/products: Alpha Five and Javascript. I'm very much a newbie in the former; I'm let's say an Intermediate in Javascript. My interest in these two languages is due to their usefulness in the realm of cross-platform and cross-media (web, phones and tablets, and also PC desktops). In this light, and taking into consideration Susan's notion of a list devoted to Office, it might be prudent to re-orient the AccessD list to VBA development, which might invite new threads and new members. For example, I know of one company with multiple employees whose entire mission is Excel VBA. I've done some significant work entirely in Excel VBA, but would hardly call myself an expert. What I have managed to accomplish in Office Automation VBA has mostly to do with creation and population of Word documents based on templates, with some (I think) cool stuff that finds bookmarks in the Word template, then creates tables there and populates them with an unknown number of rows. My next revision of this code will be to find another bookmark, and there plant pictures based on stored references to their location. Helen Fedemma has some nice stuff on these lines. Her articles about integrating Access with Outlook and Excel are quite illuminating -- even though I seldom use Outlook (except when doing something for a client who uses it), but I have learned a number of slick tricks from her stuff on Access+Excel. Other candidate lists might include Ruby on Rails (RoR), Python and Dot Net Nuke (DNN), to name just three. Interested listers might want to vote Y or N on these, and also add languages of your current interest. Each of these ought to have a place where listers can post code/application examples, much as Helen does on her site. Finally, I think that we should have a page that lists sites deemed useful and relevant, such as Helen's and Allen Browne's sites. That way, our site could act as a hub, pointing our listers to sites that go into more detail on some specific language; similar to the Access Circle, but encompassing more languages/products. Another thought, which is cross-language, is Code Reviews. Many and perhaps most listers here work independently, and therefore are unable to do two of the most valuable processes in programming: code reviews and Extreme Programming (XP). On the other hand, many organizations large enough to afford code reviews and XP are limited to the employees currently under hire. Whenever I'm stymied by some particular problem in coding, I try to find a fresh pair of eyes to look at the code. I can't tell you how many times I have learned something by inviting someone to visit my code and comment upon it (e.g. Replace all this code with a loop whose increment may be determines at RunTime"). On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 1:38 PM, John Bartow wrote: > We discussed that a while ago and the thought was to use the Tech list for > that. But it has been quite a while. I suppose we should have another board > meeting someday... > > From BradM at blackforestltd.com Mon Sep 17 14:01:16 2012 From: BradM at blackforestltd.com (Brad Marks) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 14:01:16 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] The list References: <003b01cd94f6$e62284e0$b2678ea0$@winhaven.net> <81EBD3CD47FD4431ADE8DAB50E068FDA@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: All, My perspective is quite a bit different than everyone else here. I am a relative newcomer to AccessD. I work for a small manufacturing firm (50 employees) where I am the only IT person (part time). I have asked many questions here on AccessD and I have received a tremendous amount of help and good ideas. I am very grateful for this assistance. I would like to take this opportunity to thank the people on this list who have helped others, such as myself. Sincerely, Brad Marks Black Forest LTD Owatonna, MN PS. I keep reading about the decline of Microsoft Access and the shift to other platforms such as Visual Studio. I have looked into Visual Studio and I have some idea of the complexity. Therefore, I believe that there is still a place for Access in smaller firms that have limited budgets and resources. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Monday, September 17, 2012 1:42 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] The list The DBA-Tech list is an excellent spot to post and comment on the recent advances in technology. Like; different operating systems (Linux, Apple and even Windows ;-)), web design (a huge area of growth with many sub-sections) and most importantly the inter-operability between them all (boiler-plating and mash-ups of code and functionality). I think many people do not even know that this list exists... There is also a full DBA website that still gets a hundred or so hits a day, even though it has not been updated in a year. This site which was intended as a showcase for our contractor talents and accomplishment, a place to view the latest news and a common pool of recommended information and the latest tutorial sites. Now all that is needed is smart techs (like in more than one) with some time and some vision. Jim -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Hans-Christian Andersen Sent: Monday, September 17, 2012 10:20 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] The list Speaking of which, why dont we add more mailing lists that reflect more what is talked about more these days - for instance a Linux list or mobile dev (iOS, android, win phone) list? - Hans On 2012-09-17, at 10:07 AM, "John Bartow" wrote: > We do have other lists, and one just for OT topics. For those of us that can > figure out our email filters and rules it does make life much more > convenient. When I need Access help I can expect to find the answer in short > term. Same with the VB, Tech and SQL Server lists. When I want to discuss, > well OK argue, about social topics well then I can click right on OT and can > do that. Honestly, with all the abilities of our email programs, I don't see > what the bother is all about. If you use a forum for these types of things > no one would abuse the forums like they do these lists or they would be > booted off in short order! > > John B. > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kenneth Ismert > Sent: Monday, September 17, 2012 10:16 AM > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com > Subject: Re: [AccessD] The list > > As I recall, we had a discussion about a year ago about the decline of the > list. Options were discussed, but no action was taken. > > The consensus was to let AccessD wither through inaction. One year later, I > agree with Tony: the group's plan worked, and AccessD has withered. > > So, even though there are a multitude of open source web platforms that > could be used to re-purpose and invigorate the list, I again sense that the > group consensus is to do nothing. > > In light of this, I propose new rules: > * We drop all requirements for topicality. This is a social group only. > The only rule is that on every 100th post someone writes 'Access' > * Every year or so, another long-standing member must complain about the > decline of the list > * Everyone else further agrees to discount the complaint, and deny that > anything can be done about the decline > > Let's stop kidding ourselves here, and acknowledge what we have made the > group into. > > -Ken > > From: "Tony Septav" >> Subject: [AccessD] The list >> Hey All >> >> I have been on this list since 1994. There was a guy called Colby >> ,totally true of heart but a very bumptious and annoying individual. >> This is not only from me but concerns from others on this list I have >> talked to, that the list has become a chat line. I do not see any new >> blood coming in and offering or asking questions. All I see is the old >> boys club, and a lot of "Off topic" chatter". I have rarely seen a >> new problem solved and yes I will include myself. I think you and >> myself have become dinosaurs. There are so many brilliant minds on >> this list and all that knowledge is being wasted. >> >> >> >> Sorry Guys I am out of here. >> >> Tony Septav >> >> Nananimo, BC >> >> Canada >> >> >> > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. From kismert at gmail.com Mon Sep 17 14:04:48 2012 From: kismert at gmail.com (Kenneth Ismert) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 14:04:48 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] The list In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > John W. Colby: > > In the end the list is quiet because the Access world is quiet, at least > from a developer's > perspective, and we started as a developer list. > A quick look at StackOverflow shows about 125 questions submitted in the last 7 days on all Access topics. In the same time, AccessD fielded 12 Access topics -- the generalist StackOverflow is running at roughly 10X our rate. StackOverflow has at minimum 600 followers on Access topics. I hazard thats WAY more than AccessD. The standard Access names like Toews, Fenton and Kallal are well represented there. When have you heard from them here? That's not counting the Microsoft-hosted forums, Google Groups, Expert Sexchange .... > ...We shall flog you with a cat-o-nines ... We horsewhip you and Tony ... > Well, which is it to be? The delicious prospect of one might be more motivating than the other ;) Or... we are a publicly held company. You could call a meeting of the > board and demand changes... > I say just give up. We are hopelessly irrelevant in fulfilling the list's stated purpose. I'd be happy with making this a mildly tech-oriented social group. I like everyone here, enjoy the conversation, and want to keep up with what's going on in everyone's lives. But lets face facts, for Access support, we would do more good by bugging out of here and contributing to something current. -Ken From fuller.artful at gmail.com Mon Sep 17 14:11:15 2012 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 15:11:15 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] The list In-Reply-To: References: <003b01cd94f6$e62284e0$b2678ea0$@winhaven.net> <81EBD3CD47FD4431ADE8DAB50E068FDA@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: Hear, hear, Brad! I think that nobody on this thread is poo-pooing Access so much as the relative lack of new and interesting problems posed by listers. This group is a little like the self-eating worm. We participate for a few years, learn how to solve most of our problems, and gradually there is less and less to eat. However, in a previous post I mentioned two areas in which I know next to nothing: customizing the Navigation Pane and the Ribbon. Does anyone know how to do either of these? I would be most interested in learning more about both these areas. A. From davidmcafee at gmail.com Mon Sep 17 14:43:23 2012 From: davidmcafee at gmail.com (David McAfee) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 12:43:23 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] The list In-Reply-To: References: <003b01cd94f6$e62284e0$b2678ea0$@winhaven.net> <81EBD3CD47FD4431ADE8DAB50E068FDA@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: I believe the Navigation pane is treated the same as the database window was, in previous versions. On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 12:11 PM, Arthur Fuller wrote: > Hear, hear, Brad! > > I think that nobody on this thread is poo-pooing Access so much as the > relative lack of new and interesting problems posed by listers. This group > is a little like the self-eating worm. We participate for a few years, > learn how to solve most of our problems, and gradually there is less and > less to eat. > > However, in a previous post I mentioned two areas in which I know next to > nothing: customizing the Navigation Pane and the Ribbon. Does anyone know > how to do either of these? I would be most interested in learning more > about both these areas. > > A. > From jimdettman at verizon.net Mon Sep 17 14:54:16 2012 From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 15:54:16 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] The list In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <> FWIW, there have been 309 questions in the last 7 days on Experts-Exchange. Jim. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kenneth Ismert Sent: Monday, September 17, 2012 03:05 PM To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [AccessD] The list > John W. Colby: > > In the end the list is quiet because the Access world is quiet, at least > from a developer's > perspective, and we started as a developer list. > A quick look at StackOverflow shows about 125 questions submitted in the last 7 days on all Access topics. In the same time, AccessD fielded 12 Access topics -- the generalist StackOverflow is running at roughly 10X our rate. StackOverflow has at minimum 600 followers on Access topics. I hazard thats WAY more than AccessD. The standard Access names like Toews, Fenton and Kallal are well represented there. When have you heard from them here? That's not counting the Microsoft-hosted forums, Google Groups, Expert Sexchange .... > ...We shall flog you with a cat-o-nines ... We horsewhip you and Tony ... > Well, which is it to be? The delicious prospect of one might be more motivating than the other ;) Or... we are a publicly held company. You could call a meeting of the > board and demand changes... > I say just give up. We are hopelessly irrelevant in fulfilling the list's stated purpose. I'd be happy with making this a mildly tech-oriented social group. I like everyone here, enjoy the conversation, and want to keep up with what's going on in everyone's lives. But lets face facts, for Access support, we would do more good by bugging out of here and contributing to something current. -Ken -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From dbdoug at gmail.com Mon Sep 17 15:03:35 2012 From: dbdoug at gmail.com (Doug Steele) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 13:03:35 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] SQL Server 2005 Embedded Edition In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: My client uses BCM extensively; it's their main customer contact management tool (they are a fairly large wholesale plant nursery). I linked their inventory control Access db to views in the BCM database for customer validation, so they only have to do editing in BCM. I just talked to the manager there; he isn't very happy with BCM. He says it crashes a lot. They use it for contact info only - they tried using the email handling functions but the database ballooned quickly and slowed everything down. They use an addon called 'CompanionLink' which syncs the BCM contacts to iPhones. BCM is free, so I guess as usual you get what you pay for. Doug On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 10:46 AM, Gustav Brock wrote: > Hi Doug > > Now you mention it - MS Business Contact Manager add-on - how are you > satisfied with this? > > I remember a client installing it, and after a while we had to uninstall > as it brought the Exchange server to a crawl. That is several years ago > though, a SBS2003 if I recall, so the situation may have changed. Perhaps > you just need horse power. > > We have the install CD on the shelf but I have been reluctant to check it > out. > > /gustav > > > >>> dbdoug at gmail.com 17-09-12 19:23 >>> > >I've done this very thing with an SBS 2003 server. Left the embedded > >stuff alone and installed SQL Server 2005 Express. Have no issues and > >been running for 3-4 years. > > Same here - no problems for several years. Installed SQL Server 2005 > Express then upgraded to 2008 Express to run the MS Business Contact > Manager add-on for Outlook. And I also use the SQL Server Express for > Access related dbs. > > Doug > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From mcp2004 at mail.ru Mon Sep 17 15:08:28 2012 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2012 00:08:28 +0400 Subject: [AccessD] =?utf-8?q?HTML5_mobile-friendly_web_sites_vs=2E_native_?= =?utf-8?q?mobile_apps_-_Was=3ARe=3A_Bootcamp_or_Paralells_-_was_RE=3A_OT?= =?utf-8?q?=3A_iPhone/iPaddevelopment_on_an_MS_Windows_PC_-_noway=3F?= In-Reply-To: <85DB3D99A24B4AFDBB8B435D62773E84@creativesystemdesigns.com> References: <1347636826.783194936@f100.mail.ru>, <1347818683.64565880@f163.mail.ru> <85DB3D99A24B4AFDBB8B435D62773E84@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: <1347912508.985072171@f237.mail.ru> Hi Jim -- Thank you for your remark on GeoLocation via HTML5 - I was not aware about that... <<>> I didn't mean desktop - I meant mobile - smartphones and tablets and whatever else mobile widely used gadgets will appear in the (near) future: Quoting Marc Zuckerberg: "Our Biggest Mistake Was Betting Too Much On?HTML5" see:?http://techcrunch.com/2012/09/11/mark-zuckerberg-our-biggest-mistake-with-mobile-was-betting-too-much-on-html5/ "Over the next 3-5 years the question that's on everyone's mind is going to be how well we do with mobile" see:?http://mashable.com/2012/09/11/mark-zuckerberg-post-ipo-interview/ etc. The mainstream?tendency?AFAIS is that more and more native mobile apps appear even when very useful HTML(5) ?originals already exist, e.g. I'm using now HTML(5) desktop client to post to AccessD, I'm using HTML5 mobile-friendly version of the same client to read AccessD e-mail while on-the-go, there was first version of that mobile-friendly HTML5 client, which I liked a lot, then they (Mail.ru) released another HTML5 mobile version, which I disliked (they still keep old version alive and I'm using it), and now they have got released a native WinPhone 7.5 mail client, which looks not bad. What for they do that if HTML5 web apps are good, mobile-friendly and useful? Thank you. -- Shamil Sun, 16 Sep 2012 11:37:28 -0700 ?? "Jim Lawrence" : >Hi Shamil: > > I think I have misunderstood you but... > > Of course browsers have access to GPS...look no further than Google maps > (and the other new startups like bing and apple's new offering) Both Apple > and Google offer, far beyond just voice translation but full on-line help > via voice control...and the same with OCR...and VoIP. A client is never > going to pay for some programmer to develop in these diciplines when a > simple mashup of existing and easy to access components can be acquire via > the browser. > > These browsers are basically two componenets, FE and BE supported by a the > currently most reliable communications system ever built. The differences > between the FE and BE continues fade back and forth. > > The truth is who would ever build a GPS, OCR or even voice translation > system just for desktop installation? Those days are gone and now support of > management is done through the browser. > > Jim ><<< skipped >>> From john at winhaven.net Mon Sep 17 15:47:23 2012 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 15:47:23 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] The list In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <002701cd9515$a532bcb0$ef983610$@winhaven.net> Invite them over here or maybe just live with two lists. After all these years I still don't like forums. I honestly think the chatter turns new people away. That's one of the reasons we have more than one list. I've abandoned all other access related lists because of the snobbery, chest pounding and the "you get answers if you pay" reasons. When I did pay I never got an answer that was worth anything. When I ask a question it usually something that takes thought not about of submitted links to other web sites. I can use web searches too. When I ask a question here I get answers. Sometimes I ask about something I know but haven't done in a long time just because it's an easier refresher than digging through my own notes. Sometimes I have the answer shortly after hitting "send". But even then, I may get an answer that's better than what I knew to start with. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kenneth Ismert Sent: Monday, September 17, 2012 2:05 PM To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [AccessD] The list > John W. Colby: > > In the end the list is quiet because the Access world is quiet, at > least from a developer's perspective, and we started as a developer > list. > A quick look at StackOverflow shows about 125 questions submitted in the last 7 days on all Access topics. In the same time, AccessD fielded 12 Access topics -- the generalist StackOverflow is running at roughly 10X our rate. StackOverflow has at minimum 600 followers on Access topics. I hazard thats WAY more than AccessD. The standard Access names like Toews, Fenton and Kallal are well represented there. When have you heard from them here? That's not counting the Microsoft-hosted forums, Google Groups, Expert Sexchange .... > ...We shall flog you with a cat-o-nines ... We horsewhip you and Tony ... > Well, which is it to be? The delicious prospect of one might be more motivating than the other ;) Or... we are a publicly held company. You could call a meeting of the > board and demand changes... > I say just give up. We are hopelessly irrelevant in fulfilling the list's stated purpose. I'd be happy with making this a mildly tech-oriented social group. I like everyone here, enjoy the conversation, and want to keep up with what's going on in everyone's lives. But lets face facts, for Access support, we would do more good by bugging out of here and contributing to something current. -Ken -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Mon Sep 17 16:15:25 2012 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 17:15:25 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] The list In-Reply-To: <002701cd9515$a532bcb0$ef983610$@winhaven.net> References: <002701cd9515$a532bcb0$ef983610$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: My experience also, John! This group is way quicker to respond than a search through various sites elsewhere. Muchos kudos to this group! Here, I have learned a ton, and also made some good friends. A. P.S. If that sounds like a funereal speech, it was unintentional. This morning I lost a friend. I was the one who, in the absence of repeated knocks, obtained the Security key and found him dead. Not a great day. Comes with the turf of this responsibility. Found myself thinking, "It would have been easier were it a stranger." What kind of weird shit is that? But he was a friend of mine, with whom I've hoisted a few beers and chatted about topics as diverse as the Middle East and Mozart's best. On the up-side, he lived to age 84; I would have guessed him in his late sixties. Perhaps this is further evidence of the preservative effects of a couple of beers per day. Not sure about that part. Anyway, I'm about to walk down the street to his favourite pub and order and shot and bang a spoon against a glass until I've obtained everyone's attention, and then make the sad announcement, and then hoist my glass and encourage all to join me in a "Farewell, my friend!" He died this morning at 84 years old. He avoided Alzheimer's and whatever else might a man of his age. He looked about 60-ish, not a wrinkle on his face nor a droop on his eyes. I'm 20 years younger, but compared to him I resemble Keith Richards -- more wrinkles than a newly-laundered shirt. oops. Way off topic! Sorry about that, folks. I'm grieving. On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 4:47 PM, John Bartow wrote: > Invite them over here or maybe just live with two lists. After all these > years I still don't like forums. I honestly think the chatter turns new > people away. That's one of the reasons we have more than one list. > > I've abandoned all other access related lists because of the snobbery, > chest > pounding and the "you get answers if you pay" reasons. When I did pay I > never got an answer that was worth anything. When I ask a question it > usually something that takes thought not about of submitted links to other > web sites. I can use web searches too. > > When I ask a question here I get answers. Sometimes I ask about something I > know but haven't done in a long time just because it's an easier refresher > than digging through my own notes. Sometimes I have the answer shortly > after > hitting "send". But even then, I may get an answer that's better than what > I > knew to start with. > > From accessd at shaw.ca Mon Sep 17 18:17:38 2012 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 16:17:38 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] HTML5 mobile-friendly web sites vs. native mobile apps - Was:Re: Bootcamp or Paralells - was RE: OT: iPhone/iPaddevelopment on an MS Windows PC - noway? In-Reply-To: <1347912508.985072171@f237.mail.ru> References: <1347636826.783194936@f100.mail.ru>, <1347818683.64565880@f163.mail.ru><85DB3D99A24B4AFDBB8B435D62773E84@creativesystemdesigns.com> <1347912508.985072171@f237.mail.ru> Message-ID: <6F5DA206A4C847EB8348CEAEA5449B66@creativesystemdesigns.com> Hi Shamil: HTML 5 is not some high speed development engine, it is more like VB or VBA and it is built just for FE presentations. If you interested in super high performance a programmer should start looking at Java, at the least and most likely C or C++. HTML 5 is just like MS Access which is a simplified database presentation manager...if the client wants super high performance then they have to be willing to anti-up and have a dedicated programmer (or two, or three) on the pay-roll. It is all a matter of cost versus required performance. That said, MS Access is perfectly acceptable for small to medium databases. It speed of development is impossible to match if you plan to "roll your own". HTML 5 is the same thing. OTOH, the performance that a good programmer can get of Access or even HTML 5 is quite remarkable. In addition, there are so many tools, code samples and add-ins out there for MS Access and HTML 5 that a good hacker can make a client smile in less than a week. Browsers are also increasing their speed exponentially. If you haven't seen it before, here is a demo of a first-person shooter game developed on the latest version of FF using HTML 5. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mIYmxPdtsl4&feature=player_embedded Then there is the enhanced V8 engine from Chrome. The engine is so fast that you can actually build an event driven multi-user webserver BE from it and its performance matches or surpasses anything out there. Check out Node.js which will allow a JavaScript writer to extend their skill sets right to the BE. http://nodejs.org/ There are a number of tutorials on the subject on how to connect to various databases and so on. In summary, a form in Access and HTML 5 can be built in minutes...lets see someone build the same form, with the same function and appearance, in native code, in minutes. Jim -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Salakhetdinov Shamil Sent: Monday, September 17, 2012 1:08 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: [AccessD] HTML5 mobile-friendly web sites vs. native mobile apps - Was:Re: Bootcamp or Paralells - was RE: OT: iPhone/iPaddevelopment on an MS Windows PC - noway? Hi Jim -- Thank you for your remark on GeoLocation via HTML5 - I was not aware about that... <<>> I didn't mean desktop - I meant mobile - smartphones and tablets and whatever else mobile widely used gadgets will appear in the (near) future: Quoting Marc Zuckerberg: "Our Biggest Mistake Was Betting Too Much On?HTML5" see:?http://techcrunch.com/2012/09/11/mark-zuckerberg-our-biggest-mistake-wi th-mobile-was-betting-too-much-on-html5/ "Over the next 3-5 years the question that's on everyone's mind is going to be how well we do with mobile" see:?http://mashable.com/2012/09/11/mark-zuckerberg-post-ipo-interview/ etc. The mainstream?tendency?AFAIS is that more and more native mobile apps appear even when very useful HTML(5) ?originals already exist, e.g. I'm using now HTML(5) desktop client to post to AccessD, I'm using HTML5 mobile-friendly version of the same client to read AccessD e-mail while on-the-go, there was first version of that mobile-friendly HTML5 client, which I liked a lot, then they (Mail.ru) released another HTML5 mobile version, which I disliked (they still keep old version alive and I'm using it), and now they have got released a native WinPhone 7.5 mail client, which looks not bad. What for they do that if HTML5 web apps are good, mobile-friendly and useful? Thank you. -- Shamil Sun, 16 Sep 2012 11:37:28 -0700 ?? "Jim Lawrence" : >Hi Shamil: > > I think I have misunderstood you but... > > Of course browsers have access to GPS...look no further than Google maps > (and the other new startups like bing and apple's new offering) Both Apple > and Google offer, far beyond just voice translation but full on-line help > via voice control...and the same with OCR...and VoIP. A client is never > going to pay for some programmer to develop in these diciplines when a > simple mashup of existing and easy to access components can be acquire via > the browser. > > These browsers are basically two componenets, FE and BE supported by a the > currently most reliable communications system ever built. The differences > between the FE and BE continues fade back and forth. > > The truth is who would ever build a GPS, OCR or even voice translation > system just for desktop installation? Those days are gone and now support of > management is done through the browser. > > Jim ><<< skipped >>> -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Mon Sep 17 18:23:31 2012 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 16:23:31 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] The list In-Reply-To: References: <002701cd9515$a532bcb0$ef983610$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: Terribly sorry to hear that. Good friends are very rare and I am sure OT rules can be over-looked this time. Jim -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Monday, September 17, 2012 2:15 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] The list My experience also, John! This group is way quicker to respond than a search through various sites elsewhere. Muchos kudos to this group! Here, I have learned a ton, and also made some good friends. A. P.S. If that sounds like a funereal speech, it was unintentional. This morning I lost a friend. I was the one who, in the absence of repeated knocks, obtained the Security key and found him dead. Not a great day. Comes with the turf of this responsibility. Found myself thinking, "It would have been easier were it a stranger." What kind of weird shit is that? But he was a friend of mine, with whom I've hoisted a few beers and chatted about topics as diverse as the Middle East and Mozart's best. On the up-side, he lived to age 84; I would have guessed him in his late sixties. Perhaps this is further evidence of the preservative effects of a couple of beers per day. Not sure about that part. Anyway, I'm about to walk down the street to his favourite pub and order and shot and bang a spoon against a glass until I've obtained everyone's attention, and then make the sad announcement, and then hoist my glass and encourage all to join me in a "Farewell, my friend!" He died this morning at 84 years old. He avoided Alzheimer's and whatever else might a man of his age. He looked about 60-ish, not a wrinkle on his face nor a droop on his eyes. I'm 20 years younger, but compared to him I resemble Keith Richards -- more wrinkles than a newly-laundered shirt. oops. Way off topic! Sorry about that, folks. I'm grieving. On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 4:47 PM, John Bartow wrote: > Invite them over here or maybe just live with two lists. After all these > years I still don't like forums. I honestly think the chatter turns new > people away. That's one of the reasons we have more than one list. > > I've abandoned all other access related lists because of the snobbery, > chest > pounding and the "you get answers if you pay" reasons. When I did pay I > never got an answer that was worth anything. When I ask a question it > usually something that takes thought not about of submitted links to other > web sites. I can use web searches too. > > When I ask a question here I get answers. Sometimes I ask about something I > know but haven't done in a long time just because it's an easier refresher > than digging through my own notes. Sometimes I have the answer shortly > after > hitting "send". But even then, I may get an answer that's better than what > I > knew to start with. > > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au Mon Sep 17 18:54:28 2012 From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 23:54:28 +0000 Subject: [AccessD] The list In-Reply-To: References: <003b01cd94f6$e62284e0$b2678ea0$@winhaven.net> <81EBD3CD47FD4431ADE8DAB50E068FDA@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B5250195DE@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com> I do a lot of custom ribbons for Excel. I have never done it with Access (never had the need), although I am confident the process wouldn't be much different. I can send you some useful and clear "How to" link for Excel if that is of interest. Cheers Darryl. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Tuesday, 18 September 2012 5:11 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] The list Hear, hear, Brad! I think that nobody on this thread is poo-pooing Access so much as the relative lack of new and interesting problems posed by listers. This group is a little like the self-eating worm. We participate for a few years, learn how to solve most of our problems, and gradually there is less and less to eat. However, in a previous post I mentioned two areas in which I know next to nothing: customizing the Navigation Pane and the Ribbon. Does anyone know how to do either of these? I would be most interested in learning more about both these areas. A. -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From TSeptav at Uniserve.com Mon Sep 17 19:40:13 2012 From: TSeptav at Uniserve.com (Tony Septav) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 19:40:13 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] The List Message-ID: <201209180040.q8I0eGxp009037@databaseadvisors.com> Hey All I apologize I never meant to start a what do they call it "Flame Up". I have had to laugh over the last 2 days as to all the various Email responses. This list is like one dysfunctional family. We have the hot heads, we have the egos, we have the gentle hearts, we have the bad boys, we the have futurists, we have the intellectuals etc. etc.. But one thing I love is we can all express our feelings without a malicious pointing of fingers at other individuals or the making of rude comments (most of the time). That is freedom. I know I am not as eloquent as Albert or as so many more of you on this list but I think we should be very proud of how we handle ourselves in our daily discussions. We all know Access is going down the tubes but hey I have changed my opinion please do not loose this very valuable community of so many diverse individuals. My 2 cents worth. Tony Septav Nanaimo, BC Canada From hans.andersen at phulse.com Mon Sep 17 21:20:11 2012 From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 19:20:11 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] The List In-Reply-To: <201209180040.q8I0eGxp009037@databaseadvisors.com> References: <201209180040.q8I0eGxp009037@databaseadvisors.com> Message-ID: <6231473B-1E94-4965-AE0B-0F22FEB8654E@phulse.com> Hear, hear - Hans On 2012-09-17, at 5:40 PM, "Tony Septav" wrote: > Hey All > > I apologize I never meant to start a what do they call it "Flame Up". I > have had to laugh over the last 2 days as to all the various Email > responses. This list is like one dysfunctional family. We have the hot > heads, we have the egos, we have the gentle hearts, we have the bad boys, we > the have futurists, we have the intellectuals etc. etc.. But one thing I > love is we can all express our feelings without a malicious pointing of > fingers at other individuals or the making of rude comments (most of the > time). That is freedom. I know I am not as eloquent as Albert or as so many > more of you on this list but I think we should be very proud of how we > handle ourselves in our daily discussions. We all know Access is going down > the tubes but hey I have changed my opinion please do not loose this very > valuable community of so many diverse individuals. > > My 2 cents worth. > > > > Tony Septav > > Nanaimo, BC > > Canada > > > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Mon Sep 17 21:43:00 2012 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 22:43:00 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] The list In-Reply-To: References: <003b01cd94f6$e62284e0$b2678ea0$@winhaven.net> <005b01cd94fb$30d80ce0$928826a0$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: <5057DFB4.3040100@colbyconsulting.com> I think a large part of the problem here is that lists and forums are fundamentally different. We came from, started in a different day. Email was king, the web was often accessed over a low speed modem. Nowadays email is despised and the web is king and "Google is my friend". I keep pointing folks to this list but people have to sign up for email. We are all (myself included) busy getting *off* email lists. Email lists provide immediate and often massive gratification, provided sufficient members. I ask a question, within a few minutes or an hour back pour multiple answers. The answers that come back tend to be thoughtful and relevant because the members of this list know more about Access than most people out there. I ask a question in a forum and there are 47 views and 1 or maybe 2 answers, which person votes for himself as the best answer, and pisses and moans about down votes. Check out the much vaunted Stack Exchange. 47 viewers too busy to stop by and answer the question, or perhaps simply incapable of answering the question. An entire cadre of uninvolved folks passing by in the night, viewing the one answer, moving on to the next Google result to see if there is a better answer. A handful of super guys answer everything. Yea, I want to be there! NOT. I have participated in a handful of forums because I needed their services. Few have more than a small handful of regulars. Most have exactly a handful, who are very knowledgeable, but rarely are they a community. In the absence of the "one or two super guys" most can be days, weeks or even months before any answers come back. How often do you see an answer to a year old question? I don't hang out in any forum. None! I have hung out here since '97. Why is that? Like it or not, this and our other lists are just different from the forums. And if we turned ourselves into YAF (yet another forum) we would be just that, YAF. How many forums names were thrown out there which professed to answer Access questions. Are there insufficient forums out there professing to answer Access (and any other) question? How many skills does Stack Exchange cover? Hundreds? Thousands? It gives me a warm fuzzy just thinking about it. ;) If we truly want to "be relevant" we need to do active recruitment. Understand though that Access is no longer a dev platform so we are going to recruit the "power users" asking how to (insert your power user question here). Then we have to answer that same question over and over. Or point them back out to Google to the forums where the answer has already been provided a bajillion times. I do my dev in C# now. I have no interest in answering Access power user questions over and over and over... Fire up a conversation on Access classes, wrapping objects in class wrappers and sinking and raising events... now I'm listening. John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it On 9/17/2012 3:02 PM, Arthur Fuller wrote: > I think that I'm with Hans-Christian on this topic, which is to say, we > might invigorate the site by adding more lists, each devoted to a > programming language, and perhaps more narrowly, a language oriented > towards databases. From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Mon Sep 17 21:50:09 2012 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 22:50:09 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] The list In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5057E161.60301@colbyconsulting.com> LOL, and not a single one that I am remotely interested in. OTOH I just responded to a friend on this list. Yea, it was just chatter. Oh well. John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it On 9/17/2012 3:54 PM, Jim Dettman wrote: > < last 7 days on all Access topics.>> > > FWIW, there have been 309 questions in the last 7 days on Experts-Exchange. > > Jim. From vbacreations at gmail.com Mon Sep 17 21:56:12 2012 From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 22:56:12 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] The List In-Reply-To: <0E647E59A38442F98BE068C209D9EEC4@creativesystemdesigns.com> References: <201209171416.q8HEGf9I021965@databaseadvisors.com> <0E647E59A38442F98BE068C209D9EEC4@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: I confess I rarely have time anymore to try to answer others' questions. I get behind in my own work so I havent really got the time. When I do have the time I dont have the brain power reserves that I used to. But what I want to say is this: I know my own heart and if I could I really would contribute a certain percent of my time to answering questions from the user community. But increasing some users are becoming more like me: mostly takers and not givers. Not by choice. Its all we have time or energy to do. Still I dont blame any member for ignoring my request(s). Be it known I do truly value this list and when I am feeling better/smarter or have more time I would contribute more. As for the OT stuff... who really cares, cant one see pretty quickly something is not relevant or interesting? All these messages collect in my Outlook and gmail folder and maybe its a tad painful to wade thru looking for something I think i may have seen that can help. But.isnt that better than it not having any chance of being there at all because all the kind and generous (and in some cases showy) people attrited? From vbacreations at gmail.com Mon Sep 17 22:02:48 2012 From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 23:02:48 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] The List In-Reply-To: <201209180040.q8I0eGxp009037@databaseadvisors.com> References: <201209180040.q8I0eGxp009037@databaseadvisors.com> Message-ID: Tony you are a caution! (Not that I have any idea how that tern cam about.... which ought to be a caution). My jaw dropped at your first post saying you were leaving because staying is free ;) Glad for anyone who stays thru the peaks and troughs. On Sep 17, 2012 8:41 PM, "Tony Septav" wrote: > Hey All > > I apologize I never meant to start a what do they call it "Flame Up". I > have had to laugh over the last 2 days as to all the various Email > responses. This list is like one dysfunctional family. We have the hot > heads, we have the egos, we have the gentle hearts, we have the bad boys, > we > the have futurists, we have the intellectuals etc. etc.. But one thing I > love is we can all express our feelings without a malicious pointing of > fingers at other individuals or the making of rude comments (most of the > time). That is freedom. I know I am not as eloquent as Albert or as so > many > more of you on this list but I think we should be very proud of how we > handle ourselves in our daily discussions. We all know Access is going down > the tubes but hey I have changed my opinion please do not loose this very > valuable community of so many diverse individuals. > > My 2 cents worth. > > > > Tony Septav > > Nanaimo, BC > > Canada > > > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From vbacreations at gmail.com Mon Sep 17 22:13:51 2012 From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 23:13:51 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] The list In-Reply-To: <5057E161.60301@colbyconsulting.com> References: <5057E161.60301@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: Not looking for sympathy but I have anxiety. For a long time have been of a growing conviction that every post of a technical nature which is over my head (while seeming to be some area I ought to be able to grasp) .... that doesnt at least have a bit of humor thrown in ... does make me feel more inadequate... in knowledge I should have .... and so, more anxious. Its not really the problem of the medium. When mental disorder is developing one can suck in stimulus and extra agitation from almost any source. I just want to thank those here who "keep it light" because it preserves my sanity just that little extra while. Youre doing good work! From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au Mon Sep 17 22:35:58 2012 From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2012 03:35:58 +0000 Subject: [AccessD] The list In-Reply-To: References: <5057E161.60301@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B5250197CB@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com> Hehehe.. It is ok Bill. You are not alone, I feel the same way much of the time. I would like to get hold of Mr Colby's classy book of classes when he has finished it though. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Benson Sent: Tuesday, 18 September 2012 1:14 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] The list Not looking for sympathy but I have anxiety. For a long time have been of a growing conviction that every post of a technical nature which is over my head (while seeming to be some area I ought to be able to grasp) .... that doesnt at least have a bit of humor thrown in ... does make me feel more inadequate... in knowledge I should have .... and so, more anxious. Its not really the problem of the medium. When mental disorder is developing one can suck in stimulus and extra agitation from almost any source. I just want to thank those here who "keep it light" because it preserves my sanity just that little extra while. Youre doing good work! -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Mon Sep 17 22:46:47 2012 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 23:46:47 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] The list In-Reply-To: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B5250197CB@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com> References: <5057E161.60301@colbyconsulting.com> <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B5250197CB@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com> Message-ID: <5057EEA7.6020906@colbyconsulting.com> I would like to finish Mr Colby's classy book of classes. May I use that as a working title? John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it On 9/17/2012 11:35 PM, Darryl Collins wrote: > Hehehe.. It is ok Bill. You are not alone, I feel the same way much of the time. I would like to get hold of Mr Colby's classy book of classes when he has finished it though. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Benson > Sent: Tuesday, 18 September 2012 1:14 PM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] The list > > Not looking for sympathy but I have anxiety. For a long time have been of a growing conviction that every post of a technical nature which is over my head (while seeming to be some area I ought to be able to grasp) .... that doesnt at least have a bit of humor thrown in ... does make me feel more inadequate... in knowledge I should have .... and so, more anxious. > > Its not really the problem of the medium. When mental disorder is developing one can suck in stimulus and extra agitation from almost any source. > > I just want to thank those here who "keep it light" because it preserves my sanity just that little extra while. Youre doing good work! > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > From vbacreations at gmail.com Mon Sep 17 22:51:08 2012 From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 23:51:08 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] The list In-Reply-To: <5057EEA7.6020906@colbyconsulting.com> References: <5057E161.60301@colbyconsulting.com> <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B5250197CB@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com> <5057EEA7.6020906@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: Classy Colby's Classic Book of Classes On Sep 17, 2012 11:49 PM, "jwcolby" wrote: > I would like to finish Mr Colby's classy book of classes. May I use that > as a working title? > > John W. Colby > Colby Consulting > > Reality is what refuses to go away > when you do not believe in it > > On 9/17/2012 11:35 PM, Darryl Collins wrote: > >> Hehehe.. It is ok Bill. You are not alone, I feel the same way much of >> the time. I would like to get hold of Mr Colby's classy book of classes >> when he has finished it though. >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: accessd-bounces@**databaseadvisors.com[mailto: >> accessd-bounces@**databaseadvisors.com] >> On Behalf Of William Benson >> Sent: Tuesday, 18 September 2012 1:14 PM >> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving >> Subject: Re: [AccessD] The list >> >> Not looking for sympathy but I have anxiety. For a long time have been of >> a growing conviction that every post of a technical nature which is over my >> head (while seeming to be some area I ought to be able to grasp) .... that >> doesnt at least have a bit of humor thrown in ... does make me feel more >> inadequate... in knowledge I should have .... and so, more anxious. >> >> Its not really the problem of the medium. When mental disorder is >> developing one can suck in stimulus and extra agitation from almost any >> source. >> >> I just want to thank those here who "keep it light" because it preserves >> my sanity just that little extra while. Youre doing good work! >> -- >> AccessD mailing list >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/accessd >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.**com >> >> >> >> > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.**com > From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Mon Sep 17 22:56:55 2012 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 20:56:55 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] The list In-Reply-To: <5057EEA7.6020906@colbyconsulting.com> References: <5057E161.60301@colbyconsulting.com><56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B5250197CB@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com> <5057EEA7.6020906@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: Are those class tutorials still on-line? Rocky -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: Monday, September 17, 2012 8:47 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] The list I would like to finish Mr Colby's classy book of classes. May I use that as a working title? John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it On 9/17/2012 11:35 PM, Darryl Collins wrote: > Hehehe.. It is ok Bill. You are not alone, I feel the same way much of the time. I would like to get hold of Mr Colby's classy book of classes when he has finished it though. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William > Benson > Sent: Tuesday, 18 September 2012 1:14 PM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] The list > > Not looking for sympathy but I have anxiety. For a long time have been of a growing conviction that every post of a technical nature which is over my head (while seeming to be some area I ought to be able to grasp) .... that doesnt at least have a bit of humor thrown in ... does make me feel more inadequate... in knowledge I should have .... and so, more anxious. > > Its not really the problem of the medium. When mental disorder is developing one can suck in stimulus and extra agitation from almost any source. > > I just want to thank those here who "keep it light" because it preserves my sanity just that little extra while. Youre doing good work! > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au Mon Sep 17 23:09:54 2012 From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2012 04:09:54 +0000 Subject: [AccessD] The list In-Reply-To: <5057EEA7.6020906@colbyconsulting.com> References: <5057E161.60301@colbyconsulting.com> <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B5250197CB@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com> <5057EEA7.6020906@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B525019844@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com> Go for it John. All yours. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: Tuesday, 18 September 2012 1:47 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] The list I would like to finish Mr Colby's classy book of classes. May I use that as a working title? John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it On 9/17/2012 11:35 PM, Darryl Collins wrote: > Hehehe.. It is ok Bill. You are not alone, I feel the same way much of the time. I would like to get hold of Mr Colby's classy book of classes when he has finished it though. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Benson > Sent: Tuesday, 18 September 2012 1:14 PM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] The list > > Not looking for sympathy but I have anxiety. For a long time have been of a growing conviction that every post of a technical nature which is over my head (while seeming to be some area I ought to be able to grasp) .... that doesnt at least have a bit of humor thrown in ... does make me feel more inadequate... in knowledge I should have .... and so, more anxious. > > Its not really the problem of the medium. When mental disorder is developing one can suck in stimulus and extra agitation from almost any source. > > I just want to thank those here who "keep it light" because it preserves my sanity just that little extra while. Youre doing good work! > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From kathryn at bassett.net Tue Sep 18 00:06:26 2012 From: kathryn at bassett.net (Kathryn Bassett) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 22:06:26 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] The List In-Reply-To: <201209180040.q8I0eGxp009037@databaseadvisors.com> References: <201209180040.q8I0eGxp009037@databaseadvisors.com> Message-ID: Tony Septav said: > I apologize I never meant to start a what do they call it "Flame Up". I don't see that it's developed into a flame war. Quite the contrary, it's been a very good discussion. > This list is like one dysfunctional family. We have the hot heads, we have the egos, > we have the gentle hearts, we have the bad boys, we the have futurists, we > have the intellectuals etc. etc.. But one thing I love is we can all express our > feelings without a malicious pointing of fingers at other individuals or the > making of rude comments (most of the time). Totally agree. Even more so on the OT list, and I wouldn't change it for the world. Kathryn - one of the original shareholders in DBA -- Kathryn Rhinehart Bassett (Pasadena CA) "Genealogy is my bag" "GH is my soap" kathryn at bassett.net http://bassett.net?? From gustav at cactus.dk Tue Sep 18 02:33:58 2012 From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2012 09:33:58 +0200 Subject: [AccessD] The list Message-ID: Hi Kenneth and Jim StackOverflow is exactly that - a mess. It's no fun browsing the questions. There are better things to do. EE is not a mess but still a bit closed, and the race for "points" leads to many half-baked answers. /gustav >>> jimdettman at verizon.net 17-09-12 21:54 >>> <> FWIW, there have been 309 questions in the last 7 days on Experts-Exchange. Jim. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kenneth Ismert Sent: Monday, September 17, 2012 03:05 PM To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [AccessD] The list > John W. Colby: > > In the end the list is quiet because the Access world is quiet, at least > from a developer's perspective, and we started as a developer list. > A quick look at StackOverflow shows about 125 questions submitted in the last 7 days on all Access topics. In the same time, AccessD fielded 12 Access topics -- the generalist StackOverflow is running at roughly 10X our rate. StackOverflow has at minimum 600 followers on Access topics. I hazard thats WAY more than AccessD. The standard Access names like Toews, Fenton and Kallal are well represented there. When have you heard from them here? That's not counting the Microsoft-hosted forums, Google Groups, Expert Sexchange .... From jimdettman at verizon.net Tue Sep 18 07:25:17 2012 From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2012 08:25:17 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] The list In-Reply-To: <5057E161.60301@colbyconsulting.com> References: <5057E161.60301@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <64B91539CF574AAF925E5B0F6FC47B68@XPS> John, Guess it depends on which ones you look at; saw one this morning about problems with Access 2003 under Windows Server 2008 R2; I'm sure interested in that. There have been a multitude on running Access in 64 bit Office, which is quite relevant as are those regarding SharePoint. And there are questions on SQL, programming techniques, classes (always think of you of course), etc., all the time. Some are quite simple and answered by Google monkeys, but many are not and answered by some very knowledgeable Access folks. Honestly many of you knock it, but none of you that I'm aware of outside of gustav has really given it a go. But there's no doubt in my mind that the range of questions is far greater then those here and certainly the volume is greater. Also the ability to upload DB's, screenshots, etc is very helpful. Chatter there however is only allowed in the lounge and one discussion thread we keep open for Access. Jim. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: Monday, September 17, 2012 10:50 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] The list LOL, and not a single one that I am remotely interested in. OTOH I just responded to a friend on this list. Yea, it was just chatter. Oh well. John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it On 9/17/2012 3:54 PM, Jim Dettman wrote: > < last 7 days on all Access topics.>> > > FWIW, there have been 309 questions in the last 7 days on Experts-Exchange. > > Jim. -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From rls at WeBeDb.com Tue Sep 18 07:36:11 2012 From: rls at WeBeDb.com (Robert Stewart) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2012 07:36:11 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] SQL Server 2005 Embedded Edition In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Make it 2008 R2. That will give you 10 gig databases and not the smaller ones. At 07:40 PM 9/17/2012, you wrote: >Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 19:38:36 +0200 >From: "Gustav Brock" >To: , , > >Subject: Re: [AccessD] SQL Server 2005 Embedded Edition >Message-ID: >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII > >Hi Rusty and Robert > >OK, thanks. Got the message. >I'll go for an SQL Server 2008 Express install and keep things separated. > >/gustav Robert L. Stewart www.WeBeDb.com www.DBGUIDesign.com www.RLStewartPhotography.com From gustav at cactus.dk Tue Sep 18 07:56:53 2012 From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2012 14:56:53 +0200 Subject: [AccessD] SQL Server 2005 Embedded Edition Message-ID: Hi Robert Right, forgot that for a moment, though I probably will not need more than a few MBs of storage. /gustav >>> Robert Stewart 18-09-12 14:36 >>> Make it 2008 R2. That will give you 10 gig databases and not the smaller ones. At 07:40 PM 9/17/2012, you wrote: >Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 19:38:36 +0200 >From: "Gustav Brock" >To: , , > >Subject: Re: [AccessD] SQL Server 2005 Embedded Edition >Message-ID: >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII > >Hi Rusty and Robert > >OK, thanks. Got the message. >I'll go for an SQL Server 2008 Express install and keep things separated. > >/gustav Robert L. Stewart www.WeBeDb.com www.DBGUIDesign.com www.RLStewartPhotography.com From accessd at shaw.ca Tue Sep 18 08:19:08 2012 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2012 06:19:08 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] The list In-Reply-To: References: <5057E161.60301@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <96135FDA47FB430FA3BE8175CBDF5F67@creativesystemdesigns.com> Hi William: You can not be a master at everything. This list is no longer just an Access list but along with Access comes a dozens (hundreds) of new technologies. Jim -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Benson Sent: Monday, September 17, 2012 8:14 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] The list Not looking for sympathy but I have anxiety. For a long time have been of a growing conviction that every post of a technical nature which is over my head (while seeming to be some area I ought to be able to grasp) .... that doesnt at least have a bit of humor thrown in ... does make me feel more inadequate... in knowledge I should have .... and so, more anxious. Its not really the problem of the medium. When mental disorder is developing one can suck in stimulus and extra agitation from almost any source. I just want to thank those here who "keep it light" because it preserves my sanity just that little extra while. Youre doing good work! -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From charlotte.foust at gmail.com Tue Sep 18 10:15:19 2012 From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2012 08:15:19 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] The list In-Reply-To: <64B91539CF574AAF925E5B0F6FC47B68@XPS> References: <5057E161.60301@colbyconsulting.com> <64B91539CF574AAF925E5B0F6FC47B68@XPS> Message-ID: Jim, I've looked at EE many times and I've seen familiar names there, including yours, but I object to points systems and I don't like the format of the forum, which I find hard to follow. I know a number of the real experts there but the format puts me off. I occassionally go there to see if there have been remarks on something I've run into, but I've never warmed to it. Charlotte On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 5:25 AM, Jim Dettman wrote: > John, > > Guess it depends on which ones you look at; saw one this morning about > problems with Access 2003 under Windows Server 2008 R2; I'm sure interested > in that. There have been a multitude on running Access in 64 bit Office, > which is quite relevant as are those regarding SharePoint. > > And there are questions on SQL, programming techniques, classes (always > think of you of course), etc., all the time. Some are quite simple and > answered by Google monkeys, but many are not and answered by some very > knowledgeable Access folks. > > Honestly many of you knock it, but none of you that I'm aware of outside > of > gustav has really given it a go. But there's no doubt in my mind that the > range of questions is far greater then those here and certainly the volume > is greater. Also the ability to upload DB's, screenshots, etc is very > helpful. > > Chatter there however is only allowed in the lounge and one discussion > thread we keep open for Access. > > Jim. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby > Sent: Monday, September 17, 2012 10:50 PM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] The list > > LOL, and not a single one that I am remotely interested in. OTOH I just > responded to a friend on > this list. Yea, it was just chatter. Oh well. > > John W. Colby > Colby Consulting > > Reality is what refuses to go away > when you do not believe in it > > On 9/17/2012 3:54 PM, Jim Dettman wrote: > > < the > > last 7 days on all Access topics.>> > > > > FWIW, there have been 309 questions in the last 7 days on > Experts-Exchange. > > > > Jim. > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > From john at winhaven.net Tue Sep 18 10:17:12 2012 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2012 10:17:12 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] The list In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <007f01cd95b0$af797dd0$0e6c7970$@winhaven.net> Hi Gustav, I agree completely about the race to points. The last straw for me on EE was when I asked a fairly technical NT administration question that was getting half-baked answers (mostly consisting of links to MS articles) that didn't solve my question. NT was already pretty old at that time so there should have been an "expert" with some knowledge of the situation. But the wasn't. And the moderator wanted to mark it as solved because apparently, at the time, there was some EE pride factor (or points) for not having open unanswered questions. I denied the request to close but then I received some snotty notice a short time later and they marked it as solved. The EE support wouldn't do anything about it. They showed an arrogance and disregard beyond belief. Certainly not what I would consider customer service. And I was PAYING for that! Canceled and will never participate in another points based forum. (BTW no offense to you Jim, I didn't participate in the Access forum on EE.) I used to be involved in some other Access lists and forums but there were so many rude comments and personal attacks towards newbies and people of different opinions that I just quite reading them. I see enough of that in real life, I don't need it in virtual life. On DBA lists I rarely see anything even bordering on rude and you don't you don't get points for participating - you get friends or you get infamous. In JC's case, both ;-) Regards, John B -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2012 2:34 AM To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [AccessD] The list Hi Kenneth and Jim StackOverflow is exactly that - a mess. It's no fun browsing the questions. There are better things to do. EE is not a mess but still a bit closed, and the race for "points" leads to many half-baked answers. /gustav >>> jimdettman at verizon.net 17-09-12 21:54 >>> <> FWIW, there have been 309 questions in the last 7 days on Experts-Exchange. Jim. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kenneth Ismert Sent: Monday, September 17, 2012 03:05 PM To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [AccessD] The list > John W. Colby: > > In the end the list is quiet because the Access world is quiet, at > least from a developer's perspective, and we started as a developer list. > A quick look at StackOverflow shows about 125 questions submitted in the last 7 days on all Access topics. In the same time, AccessD fielded 12 Access topics -- the generalist StackOverflow is running at roughly 10X our rate. StackOverflow has at minimum 600 followers on Access topics. I hazard thats WAY more than AccessD. The standard Access names like Toews, Fenton and Kallal are well represented there. When have you heard from them here? That's not counting the Microsoft-hosted forums, Google Groups, Expert Sexchange .... -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From john at winhaven.net Tue Sep 18 10:17:26 2012 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2012 10:17:26 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] The list In-Reply-To: <64B91539CF574AAF925E5B0F6FC47B68@XPS> References: <5057E161.60301@colbyconsulting.com> <64B91539CF574AAF925E5B0F6FC47B68@XPS> Message-ID: <008a01cd95b0$b67a6630$236f3290$@winhaven.net> Hi Jim, EE's marketing is fairly aggressive. They can be as its a to pay to play site. Many people (I was one) think that if you pay for something it's going to be better. Also in today's world I think the younger people aren't as interested in email based lists as they are in forums. I'll never understand this as I can get email responses on my phone much easier than having to go to the website. When we discussed doing DBA forums a few years ago we got a resounding NO from our listers. And as I've implied before, nothing wrong with using more than one source! -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2012 7:25 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] The list John, Guess it depends on which ones you look at; saw one this morning about problems with Access 2003 under Windows Server 2008 R2; I'm sure interested in that. There have been a multitude on running Access in 64 bit Office, which is quite relevant as are those regarding SharePoint. And there are questions on SQL, programming techniques, classes (always think of you of course), etc., all the time. Some are quite simple and answered by Google monkeys, but many are not and answered by some very knowledgeable Access folks. Honestly many of you knock it, but none of you that I'm aware of outside of gustav has really given it a go. But there's no doubt in my mind that the range of questions is far greater then those here and certainly the volume is greater. Also the ability to upload DB's, screenshots, etc is very helpful. Chatter there however is only allowed in the lounge and one discussion thread we keep open for Access. Jim. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: Monday, September 17, 2012 10:50 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] The list LOL, and not a single one that I am remotely interested in. OTOH I just responded to a friend on this list. Yea, it was just chatter. Oh well. John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it On 9/17/2012 3:54 PM, Jim Dettman wrote: > < the last 7 days on all Access topics.>> > > FWIW, there have been 309 questions in the last 7 days on Experts-Exchange. > > Jim. -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From edzedz at comcast.net Tue Sep 18 11:04:32 2012 From: edzedz at comcast.net (Edward Zuris) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2012 10:04:32 -0600 Subject: [AccessD] The list In-Reply-To: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B5250197CB@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com> References: <5057E161.60301@colbyconsulting.com> <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B5250197CB@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com> Message-ID: <40451D90652F4E88AC321A31EF533840@EDZ1> I like this list as it is. There is nothing I would change. In is the only list I keep. Ed. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darryl Collins Sent: Monday, September 17, 2012 9:36 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] The list Hehehe.. It is ok Bill. You are not alone, I feel the same way much of the time. I would like to get hold of Mr Colby's classy book of classes when he has finished it though. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Benson Sent: Tuesday, 18 September 2012 1:14 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] The list Not looking for sympathy but I have anxiety. For a long time have been of a growing conviction that every post of a technical nature which is over my head (while seeming to be some area I ought to be able to grasp) .... that doesnt at least have a bit of humor thrown in ... does make me feel more inadequate... in knowledge I should have .... and so, more anxious. Its not really the problem of the medium. When mental disorder is developing one can suck in stimulus and extra agitation from almost any source. I just want to thank those here who "keep it light" because it preserves my sanity just that little extra while. Youre doing good work! -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Tue Sep 18 11:03:56 2012 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2012 12:03:56 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] The list In-Reply-To: <008a01cd95b0$b67a6630$236f3290$@winhaven.net> References: <5057E161.60301@colbyconsulting.com> <64B91539CF574AAF925E5B0F6FC47B68@XPS> <008a01cd95b0$b67a6630$236f3290$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: <50589B6C.3080409@colbyconsulting.com> I just flat don't like them. I tired over and over many years ago and it just wasn't worth it to me. I used to get so many useless hits in Google that I actually set a filter to get rid of them. For a long time Google would give me a hundred hits but when I clicked on one I would be told I had to join etc. I am all for an advertising model but pay to play leaves me flat. The other problem with the internet is that every yahoo ends up saying stupid stuff, and wading through all the stupid stuff is a time waster. So it is not true that I haven't given it a go, though not recently, and I really have no interest in trying it again. John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it On 9/18/2012 11:17 AM, John Bartow wrote: > Hi Jim, > EE's marketing is fairly aggressive. They can be as its a to pay to play > site. Many people (I was one) think that if you pay for something it's going > to be better. Also in today's world I think the younger people aren't as > interested in email based lists as they are in forums. I'll never understand > this as I can get email responses on my phone much easier than having to go > to the website. When we discussed doing DBA forums a few years ago we got a > resounding NO from our listers. And as I've implied before, nothing wrong > with using more than one source! > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman > Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2012 7:25 AM > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > Subject: Re: [AccessD] The list > > John, > > Guess it depends on which ones you look at; saw one this morning about > problems with Access 2003 under Windows Server 2008 R2; I'm sure interested > in that. There have been a multitude on running Access in 64 bit Office, > which is quite relevant as are those regarding SharePoint. > > And there are questions on SQL, programming techniques, classes (always > think of you of course), etc., all the time. Some are quite simple and > answered by Google monkeys, but many are not and answered by some very > knowledgeable Access folks. > > Honestly many of you knock it, but none of you that I'm aware of outside of > gustav has really given it a go. But there's no doubt in my mind that the > range of questions is far greater then those here and certainly the volume > is greater. Also the ability to upload DB's, screenshots, etc is very > helpful. > > Chatter there however is only allowed in the lounge and one discussion > thread we keep open for Access. > > Jim. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby > Sent: Monday, September 17, 2012 10:50 PM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] The list > > LOL, and not a single one that I am remotely interested in. OTOH I just > responded to a friend on this list. Yea, it was just chatter. Oh well. > > John W. Colby > Colby Consulting > > Reality is what refuses to go away > when you do not believe in it > > On 9/17/2012 3:54 PM, Jim Dettman wrote: >> <> the last 7 days on all Access topics.>> >> >> FWIW, there have been 309 questions in the last 7 days on > Experts-Exchange. >> >> Jim. > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Tue Sep 18 11:06:17 2012 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2012 12:06:17 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] The list In-Reply-To: <007f01cd95b0$af797dd0$0e6c7970$@winhaven.net> References: <007f01cd95b0$af797dd0$0e6c7970$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: <50589BF9.1000208@colbyconsulting.com> > On DBA lists I rarely see anything even bordering on rude and you don't you don't get points for participating - you get friends or you get infamous. In JC's case, both ;-) I try so hard to be famous and the best I get is infamous. ;) John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it On 9/18/2012 11:17 AM, John Bartow wrote: > On DBA lists I rarely see anything even bordering on rude and you don't you > don't get points for participating - you get friends or you get infamous. In > JC's case, both ;-) > > Regards, > John B From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Tue Sep 18 11:07:37 2012 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2012 12:07:37 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] The list In-Reply-To: References: <5057E161.60301@colbyconsulting.com><56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B5250197CB@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com> <5057EEA7.6020906@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <50589C49.70307@colbyconsulting.com> They are not. I am trying to revive my web site but DNN has gotten harder instead of easier. Sigh. John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it On 9/17/2012 11:56 PM, Rocky Smolin wrote: > Are those class tutorials still on-line? > > Rocky > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby > Sent: Monday, September 17, 2012 8:47 PM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] The list > > I would like to finish Mr Colby's classy book of classes. May I use that as > a working title? > > John W. Colby > Colby Consulting > > Reality is what refuses to go away > when you do not believe in it > > On 9/17/2012 11:35 PM, Darryl Collins wrote: >> Hehehe.. It is ok Bill. You are not alone, I feel the same way much of > the time. I would like to get hold of Mr Colby's classy book of classes > when he has finished it though. >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William >> Benson >> Sent: Tuesday, 18 September 2012 1:14 PM >> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving >> Subject: Re: [AccessD] The list >> >> Not looking for sympathy but I have anxiety. For a long time have been of > a growing conviction that every post of a technical nature which is over my > head (while seeming to be some area I ought to be able to grasp) .... that > doesnt at least have a bit of humor thrown in ... does make me feel more > inadequate... in knowledge I should have .... and so, more anxious. >> >> Its not really the problem of the medium. When mental disorder is > developing one can suck in stimulus and extra agitation from almost any > source. >> >> I just want to thank those here who "keep it light" because it preserves > my sanity just that little extra while. Youre doing good work! >> -- >> AccessD mailing list >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> >> > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From kismert at gmail.com Tue Sep 18 11:49:25 2012 From: kismert at gmail.com (Kenneth Ismert) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2012 11:49:25 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] The list Message-ID: To summarize my points: * We are a tiny group * We have no search engine visibility * We have no web presence * Our site is totally out of date * We absolutely lack any kind of promotion or marketing strategy, even to our own group * We use completely outdated technology Without major changes, we are toast. Right now, I don't even see any general consensus on the issues, let alone a plan to solve the problems. -Ken From jimdettman at verizon.net Tue Sep 18 11:56:16 2012 From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2012 12:56:16 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] The list In-Reply-To: <008a01cd95b0$b67a6630$236f3290$@winhaven.net> References: <5057E161.60301@colbyconsulting.com> <64B91539CF574AAF925E5B0F6FC47B68@XPS> <008a01cd95b0$b67a6630$236f3290$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: John, <> That's a common misconception; it's only pay if you don't contribute. EE in the past was not as forth right as they should have been with that and many of us complained. Now it's up front on the sign-up page; answer about three questions a month or pay. I've been on EE 13 years and haven't paid a dime to date. <> That's the other misconception, which we haven't done as well with; the fact that paying gets you nothing other then access to the site. Too many people believe that paying gets them something beyond that, which it does not. In regards to your comments to gustav, I don't disagree with any of it. I'd be the first to admit that over the years EE has changed drastically from what it once was. Back when I first joined, it was as tight knit as the group is here. But as it's grown over the years, it's lost much of that small town feel and has attracted a lot of riff-raft in the process. Paywall keeps a lot out, but we still get our fair share. And since there are over three million members and only a couple hundred on the volunteer admin/moderator staff, there's a lot that flies under the radar now. But what a lot of people don't realize is that the feel from one topic area to the next varies greatly and just as it is here, it depends on who's visiting. Were fortunate in the Access area to have a number of dedicated people who generally keep the lid on things, but the sheer volume does present challenges and we certainly get our fair share of Google Monkeys. One fairly recent addition that has helped tremendously is the "Request attention" button in questions, which gets the attention of a moderator. That has helped a lot in self-policing. But it can be a wild and woolly place at times even so and I won't argue that nor that the points race contributes to that. I was one of the chief complainers when they went to the unlimited points system for members, which is when it got really crazy. But it's no different then stack overflow or any other site (even the Microsoft ones) that vote things up/down, grade, or rate comments. What you do (like I do) is simply ignore it. That's why I'm in the middle of the pack, no longer in the top 100, etc.; points are not important to me. I just enjoy helping people when I can and learning things along the way. Jim. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2012 11:17 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] The list Hi Jim, EE's marketing is fairly aggressive. They can be as its a to pay to play site. Many people (I was one) think that if you pay for something it's going to be better. Also in today's world I think the younger people aren't as interested in email based lists as they are in forums. I'll never understand this as I can get email responses on my phone much easier than having to go to the website. When we discussed doing DBA forums a few years ago we got a resounding NO from our listers. And as I've implied before, nothing wrong with using more than one source! -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2012 7:25 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] The list John, Guess it depends on which ones you look at; saw one this morning about problems with Access 2003 under Windows Server 2008 R2; I'm sure interested in that. There have been a multitude on running Access in 64 bit Office, which is quite relevant as are those regarding SharePoint. And there are questions on SQL, programming techniques, classes (always think of you of course), etc., all the time. Some are quite simple and answered by Google monkeys, but many are not and answered by some very knowledgeable Access folks. Honestly many of you knock it, but none of you that I'm aware of outside of gustav has really given it a go. But there's no doubt in my mind that the range of questions is far greater then those here and certainly the volume is greater. Also the ability to upload DB's, screenshots, etc is very helpful. Chatter there however is only allowed in the lounge and one discussion thread we keep open for Access. Jim. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: Monday, September 17, 2012 10:50 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] The list LOL, and not a single one that I am remotely interested in. OTOH I just responded to a friend on this list. Yea, it was just chatter. Oh well. John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it On 9/17/2012 3:54 PM, Jim Dettman wrote: > < the last 7 days on all Access topics.>> > > FWIW, there have been 309 questions in the last 7 days on Experts-Exchange. > > Jim. -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From kismert at gmail.com Tue Sep 18 12:01:51 2012 From: kismert at gmail.com (Kenneth Ismert) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2012 12:01:51 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] The list Message-ID: > > Gustav Brock: > ...StackOverflow is exactly that - a mess. It's no fun browsing the > questions. There are better things to do. > EE is not a mess but still a bit closed, and the race for "points" leads > to many half-baked answers. > I agree -- but they are beating the pants off us, by every measure that matters! Who cares if we have better answers, if no one is around to hear them? -Ken From df.waters at comcast.net Tue Sep 18 12:40:16 2012 From: df.waters at comcast.net (Dan Waters) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2012 12:40:16 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] The list In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <003101cd95c4$aa7f71e0$ff7e55a0$@comcast.net> I have to say that I learn a lot from stackoverflow when I have a .net question. But, the best way I've found to zero in on good answer is to begin the search in ... Chrome! (or maybe another browser). Trying to find a good answer by searching within stackoverflow is always more difficult. Dan -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kenneth Ismert Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2012 12:02 PM To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [AccessD] The list > > Gustav Brock: > ...StackOverflow is exactly that - a mess. It's no fun browsing the > questions. There are better things to do. > EE is not a mess but still a bit closed, and the race for "points" > leads to many half-baked answers. > I agree -- but they are beating the pants off us, by every measure that matters! Who cares if we have better answers, if no one is around to hear them? -Ken -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From TSeptav at Uniserve.com Tue Sep 18 12:53:46 2012 From: TSeptav at Uniserve.com (Tony Septav) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2012 12:53:46 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] The List Message-ID: <201209181753.q8IHrnbS029204@databaseadvisors.com> Hey All I agree about the openness (if that is the appropriate term) to join and be welcomed to this list. Anytime I run into a site where they request I register, I avoid it like the plaque. But what I still see lacking is any response to some questions that are being asked. Albert asked a couple of simple (maybe to me) questions on how to do something (I have also done this in the past). So far I have seen very few responses, and I do think that is where we are really falling down. In the past there would have been a plethora of responses (right or wrong), now many times they kind of just get swept under the carpet. I know we are all busy or not and many times we are involved in other projects. I am just as guilty as anyone else on this list. I am not saying "Hey you lazy slackers respond" but I think we need to change our philosophy to keep the list alive and start to respond to these questions. As I mentioned we have some of the best minds in the business on this list. How we change our approach I haven't got a clue, but we have to do something and not with a bunch of f....... rules (excuse my French) or we die. Gosh my head hurts. And just to keep you up to date, after 2 days I finally found my slippers they were exactly where I put them 2 days ago for save keeping. Oh to be an Oscar Meyer wiener. Tony Septav Nanaimo, BC Canada From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Tue Sep 18 12:58:41 2012 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2012 13:58:41 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] The list In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5058B651.5040901@colbyconsulting.com> Ken, We are a community of volunteers. I appreciate your opinion and mostly agree. However to approach it with "you guys need to do something" won't work. Step up and ask for volunteers to assist you in updating our business model. Be prepared for a long and frustrating (but doable) process of implementing changes. We have made many changes in the past but because you are working with volunteers you will not get things done next week - unless you do it yourself. Everyone on this list works for a living, takes vacations, eats and sleeps and so forth. The larger the group the harder to get things done. If you want to use them, we have email lists which can be used by the members of your change committee to rout the emails required to get things done. We have also in the past used chat rooms. That is hard to do because we live around the world. What is convenient for you may not be so convenient for someone the other side of the world from you. Believe it or not I am attempting to encourage you to take charge. I have worked on several projects for the group and it absolutely is possible to implement change. John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it On 9/18/2012 12:49 PM, Kenneth Ismert wrote: > To summarize my points: > > * We are a tiny group > * We have no search engine visibility > * We have no web presence > * Our site is totally out of date > * We absolutely lack any kind of promotion or marketing strategy, even to > our own group > * We use completely outdated technology > > Without major changes, we are toast. Right now, I don't even see any > general consensus on the issues, let alone a plan to solve the problems. > > -Ken > From TSeptav at Uniserve.com Tue Sep 18 13:07:54 2012 From: TSeptav at Uniserve.com (Tony Septav) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2012 13:07:54 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] The List Oops Message-ID: <201209181808.q8II7whH006385@databaseadvisors.com> Hey All RE: Albert asked a couple of simple (maybe to me) questions on how to do something (I have also done this in the past). Oooops before I get wacked for not responding if it was that simple, I only meant it in the sense they were stated. I am still working in Access2003. From mcp2004 at mail.ru Tue Sep 18 13:26:05 2012 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2012 22:26:05 +0400 Subject: [AccessD] =?utf-8?q?HTML5_mobile-friendly_web_sites_vs=2E_native_?= =?utf-8?q?mobile_apps_-_Was=3ARe=3A_Bootcamp_or_Paralells_-_was_RE=3A_OT?= =?utf-8?q?=3A_iPhone/iPaddevelopment_on_an_MS_Windows_PC_-_noway=3F?= In-Reply-To: <6F5DA206A4C847EB8348CEAEA5449B66@creativesystemdesigns.com> References: <1347636826.783194936@f100.mail.ru>, <1347912508.985072171@f237.mail.ru> <6F5DA206A4C847EB8348CEAEA5449B66@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: <1347992765.555532672@f243.mail.ru> Hi Jim -- <<< In summary, a form in Access and HTML 5 can be built in minutes... >>> Yes, I know. (Learning here KnockoutJS binding, JavaScript, jQuery, ...) <<< lets see?someone build the same form, with the same function and appearance, in native code, in minutes. >>> For WinPhone that "native code" will be XAML and SilverLight - no more work than with Access or HTML5. For iPhone and Android - there should be something similar - I mean high level UI design tools... The point is not speed of execution of applications. The point is not the speed of UI development. The point is ?-> quoting Marc Zuckerberg: "Our Biggest Mistake Was Betting Too Much On?HTML5" see:?http://techcrunch.com/2012/09/11/mark-zuckerberg-our-biggest-mistake-with-mobile-was-betting-too-much-on-html5/ and "Over the next 3-5 years the question that's on everyone's mind is going to?be how well we do with mobile" see:?http://mashable.com/2012/09/11/mark-zuckerberg-post-ipo-interview/ Thank you. -- Shamil Mon, 17 Sep 2012 16:17:38 -0700 ?? "Jim Lawrence" : >Hi Shamil: > > HTML 5 is not some high speed development engine, it is more like VB or VBA > and it is built just for FE presentations. > > If you interested in super high performance a programmer should start > looking at Java, at the least and most likely C or C++. HTML 5 is just like > MS Access which is a simplified database presentation manager...if the > client wants super high performance then they have to be willing to anti-up > and have a dedicated programmer (or two, or three) on the pay-roll. > > It is all a matter of cost versus required performance. > > That said, MS Access is perfectly acceptable for small to medium databases. > It speed of development is impossible to match if you plan to "roll your > own". HTML 5 is the same thing. OTOH, the performance that a good programmer > can get of Access or even HTML 5 is quite remarkable. In addition, there are > so many tools, code samples and add-ins out there for MS Access and HTML 5 > that a good hacker can make a client smile in less than a week. ><<< tail text trimmed to bypass moderators approval >>> > From garykjos at gmail.com Tue Sep 18 14:37:14 2012 From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2012 14:37:14 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] The List Oops In-Reply-To: <201209181808.q8II7whH006385@databaseadvisors.com> References: <201209181808.q8II7whH006385@databaseadvisors.com> Message-ID: I scrolled back looking for any message originated by an Albert and couldn't find one. Could you reply please so I can see it again? I'm using 2002 and 2003 mostly here at work but do have 2007 and 2010 at home. Don't really do "developing" per se on any forms of Access for years and years though. I'm pretty much strictly a user myself nowadays. GK On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 1:07 PM, Tony Septav wrote: > Hey All > > RE: Albert asked a couple of simple (maybe to me) questions on how to do > something (I have also done this in the past). > > > > Oooops before I get wacked for not responding if it was that simple, I only > meant it in the sense they were stated. I am still working in Access2003. > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Gary Kjos garykjos at gmail.com From BradM at blackforestltd.com Tue Sep 18 14:47:52 2012 From: BradM at blackforestltd.com (Brad Marks) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2012 14:47:52 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Need to Suppress Subtotals that are Equal to zero (and Not Create Excess White Space on the Report) References: <201209181808.q8II7whH006385@databaseadvisors.com> Message-ID: All, I have an existing report that summarizes Sales Orders. For each Part on each Sales Order, there is a line that shows the number of parts manufactured and the number of parts shipped. This is working nicely. This report also has a subtotal on the number of parts. In 99% of the cases, this subtotal will be 0, as the number of parts that are manufactured *should* be the same as the number of parts shipped. This subtotal is working nicely also. Recently, there has been a request to create a variation of this report that does not show details, but ONLY shows subtotals that are not zero. This will save time for our users as they will not need to wade through many pages of the existing report looking for subtotals that are not zero. I have set up a new report that only shows subtotals. In the Subtotal Footer "On Print" event, I have coded "Cancel = True" if the subtotal amount is zero. This works, but there are now blank lines on the report for all subtotals that are zero. I have set the Subtotal Footer and the two fields in the footer to "Can Shrink = YES" I am trying to figure out how to prevent the white space from being generated for subtotals that are being suppressed. Thanks, Brad From TSeptav at Uniserve.com Tue Sep 18 15:02:21 2012 From: TSeptav at Uniserve.com (Tony Septav) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2012 15:02:21 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] The List Oops In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <201209182002.q8IK2OIi013475@databaseadvisors.com> Hey Gary I just deleted everything, but I think Arthur was looking for some solutions to the ribbon and navigation bars. Arthur can correct me on this point. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos Sent: September-18-12 2:37 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] The List Oops I scrolled back looking for any message originated by an Albert and couldn't find one. Could you reply please so I can see it again? I'm using 2002 and 2003 mostly here at work but do have 2007 and 2010 at home. Don't really do "developing" per se on any forms of Access for years and years though. I'm pretty much strictly a user myself nowadays. GK On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 1:07 PM, Tony Septav wrote: > Hey All > > RE: Albert asked a couple of simple (maybe to me) questions on how to do > something (I have also done this in the past). > > > > Oooops before I get wacked for not responding if it was that simple, I only > meant it in the sense they were stated. I am still working in Access2003. > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Gary Kjos garykjos at gmail.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2221 / Virus Database: 2437/5273 - Release Date: 09/17/12 From michael at mattysconsulting.com Tue Sep 18 15:06:31 2012 From: michael at mattysconsulting.com (Michael Mattys) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2012 16:06:31 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] The List Oops In-Reply-To: References: <201209181808.q8II7whH006385@databaseadvisors.com> Message-ID: <009601cd95d9$19743360$4c5c9a20$@mattysconsulting.com> Hi, Tony Albert's message never made it to this list. Michael R Mattys Mattys Consulting, LLC www.mattysconsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2012 3:37 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] The List Oops I scrolled back looking for any message originated by an Albert and couldn't find one. Could you reply please so I can see it again? I'm using 2002 and 2003 mostly here at work but do have 2007 and 2010 at home. Don't really do "developing" per se on any forms of Access for years and years though. I'm pretty much strictly a user myself nowadays. GK On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 1:07 PM, Tony Septav wrote: > Hey All > > RE: Albert asked a couple of simple (maybe to me) questions on how to > do something (I have also done this in the past). > > > > Oooops before I get wacked for not responding if it was that simple, I > only meant it in the sense they were stated. I am still working in Access2003. > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Gary Kjos garykjos at gmail.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From steve at datamanagementsolutions.biz Tue Sep 18 15:10:14 2012 From: steve at datamanagementsolutions.biz (Steve Schapel) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2012 08:10:14 +1200 Subject: [AccessD] Need to Suppress Subtotals that are Equal to zero (andNot Create Excess White Space on the Report) In-Reply-To: References: <201209181808.q8II7whH006385@databaseadvisors.com> Message-ID: Brad I haven't tested it, but I think you could use the Format event to manipulate the Visible property of the subtotals section of your report depending on whether it is zero. Regards Steve -----Original Message----- From: Brad Marks Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2012 7:47 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: [AccessD] Need to Suppress Subtotals that are Equal to zero (andNot Create Excess White Space on the Report) All, I have an existing report that summarizes Sales Orders. For each Part on each Sales Order, there is a line that shows the number of parts manufactured and the number of parts shipped. This is working nicely. This report also has a subtotal on the number of parts. In 99% of the cases, this subtotal will be 0, as the number of parts that are manufactured *should* be the same as the number of parts shipped. This subtotal is working nicely also. Recently, there has been a request to create a variation of this report that does not show details, but ONLY shows subtotals that are not zero. This will save time for our users as they will not need to wade through many pages of the existing report looking for subtotals that are not zero. I have set up a new report that only shows subtotals. In the Subtotal Footer "On Print" event, I have coded "Cancel = True" if the subtotal amount is zero. This works, but there are now blank lines on the report for all subtotals that are zero. I have set the Subtotal Footer and the two fields in the footer to "Can Shrink = YES" I am trying to figure out how to prevent the white space from being generated for subtotals that are being suppressed. Thanks, Brad -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From charlotte.foust at gmail.com Tue Sep 18 15:11:42 2012 From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2012 13:11:42 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Need to Suppress Subtotals that are Equal to zero (and Not Create Excess White Space on the Report) In-Reply-To: References: <201209181808.q8II7whH006385@databaseadvisors.com> Message-ID: If there is data (zero is data) in the control, the footer won't shrink. If you have any labels in the footer, it won't shrink unless their visibility it set to false. You might try setting the footer's MoveLayout to False as well. Charlotte On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 12:47 PM, Brad Marks wrote: > All, > > I have an existing report that summarizes Sales Orders. For each Part > on each Sales Order, there is a line that shows the number of parts > manufactured and the number of parts shipped. This is working nicely. > > This report also has a subtotal on the number of parts. In 99% of the > cases, this subtotal will be 0, as the number of parts that are > manufactured *should* be the same as the number of parts shipped. This > subtotal is working nicely also. > > Recently, there has been a request to create a variation of this report > that does not show details, but ONLY shows subtotals that are not zero. > This will save time for our users as they will not need to wade through > many pages of the existing report looking for subtotals that are not > zero. > > I have set up a new report that only shows subtotals. In the Subtotal > Footer "On Print" event, I have coded "Cancel = True" if the subtotal > amount is zero. > > This works, but there are now blank lines on the report for all > subtotals that are zero. > > I have set the Subtotal Footer and the two fields in the footer to "Can > Shrink = YES" > > I am trying to figure out how to prevent the white space from being > generated for subtotals that are being suppressed. > > Thanks, > Brad > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From hans.andersen at phulse.com Tue Sep 18 15:12:13 2012 From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2012 13:12:13 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] The list In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Well, we do have some search engine presence - if you google our email addresses that is. :p - Hans Sent from my iPhone On 2012-09-18, at 9:49 AM, Kenneth Ismert wrote: > To summarize my points: > > * We are a tiny group > * We have no search engine visibility > * We have no web presence > * Our site is totally out of date > * We absolutely lack any kind of promotion or marketing strategy, even to > our own group > * We use completely outdated technology > > Without major changes, we are toast. Right now, I don't even see any > general consensus on the issues, let alone a plan to solve the problems. > > -Ken > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From charlotte.foust at gmail.com Tue Sep 18 15:13:36 2012 From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2012 13:13:36 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] The List In-Reply-To: <201209181753.q8IHrnbS029204@databaseadvisors.com> References: <201209181753.q8IHrnbS029204@databaseadvisors.com> Message-ID: Tony, You keep mentioning Albert's question. Who is Albert and what question did he ask? I haven't seen any. Charlotte On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 10:53 AM, Tony Septav wrote: > Hey All > > I agree about the openness (if that is the appropriate term) to join and be > welcomed to this list. Anytime I run into a site where they request I > register, I avoid it like the plaque. But what I still see lacking is any > response to some questions that are being asked. > > Albert asked a couple of simple (maybe to me) questions on how to do > something (I have also done this in the past). So far I have seen very few > responses, and I do think that is where we are really falling down. In the > past there would have been a plethora of responses (right or wrong), now > many times they kind of just get swept under the carpet. I know we are all > busy or not and many times we are involved in other projects. I am just as > guilty as anyone else on this list. I am not saying "Hey you lazy slackers > respond" but I think we need to change our philosophy to keep the list > alive > and start to respond to these questions. As I mentioned we have some of the > best minds in the business on this list. How we change our approach I > haven't got a clue, but we have to do something and not with a bunch of > f....... rules (excuse my French) or we die. > > > > Gosh my head hurts. And just to keep you up to date, after 2 days I finally > found my slippers they were exactly where I put them 2 days ago for save > keeping. Oh to be an Oscar Meyer wiener. > > > > Tony Septav > > Nanaimo, BC > > Canada > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From charlotte.foust at gmail.com Tue Sep 18 15:15:27 2012 From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2012 13:15:27 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Need to Suppress Subtotals that are Equal to zero (andNot Create Excess White Space on the Report) In-Reply-To: References: <201209181808.q8II7whH006385@databaseadvisors.com> Message-ID: Steve, Yes, you can. Charlotte On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 1:10 PM, Steve Schapel < steve at datamanagementsolutions.biz> wrote: > Brad > > I haven't tested it, but I think you could use the Format event to > manipulate the Visible property of the subtotals section of your report > depending on whether it is zero. > > Regards > Steve > > -----Original Message----- From: Brad Marks > Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2012 7:47 AM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: [AccessD] Need to Suppress Subtotals that are Equal to zero > (andNot Create Excess White Space on the Report) > > > All, > > I have an existing report that summarizes Sales Orders. For each Part > on each Sales Order, there is a line that shows the number of parts > manufactured and the number of parts shipped. This is working nicely. > > This report also has a subtotal on the number of parts. In 99% of the > cases, this subtotal will be 0, as the number of parts that are > manufactured *should* be the same as the number of parts shipped. This > subtotal is working nicely also. > > Recently, there has been a request to create a variation of this report > that does not show details, but ONLY shows subtotals that are not zero. > This will save time for our users as they will not need to wade through > many pages of the existing report looking for subtotals that are not > zero. > > I have set up a new report that only shows subtotals. In the Subtotal > Footer "On Print" event, I have coded "Cancel = True" if the subtotal > amount is zero. > > This works, but there are now blank lines on the report for all > subtotals that are zero. > > I have set the Subtotal Footer and the two fields in the footer to "Can > Shrink = YES" > > I am trying to figure out how to prevent the white space from being > generated for subtotals that are being suppressed. > > Thanks, > Brad > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.**com > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.**com > From garykjos at gmail.com Tue Sep 18 15:20:01 2012 From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2012 15:20:01 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] The List Oops In-Reply-To: <201209182002.q8IK2OIi013475@databaseadvisors.com> References: <201209182002.q8IK2OIi013475@databaseadvisors.com> Message-ID: Ah Arthur not Albert. He's pushing the envelope with new development in newer versions than I regularly work with. He's not too shy to ask again if something doesn't get answered the first time though. GK On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 3:02 PM, Tony Septav wrote: > Hey Gary > I just deleted everything, but I think Arthur was looking for some > solutions > to the ribbon and navigation bars. Arthur can correct me on this point. > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos > Sent: September-18-12 2:37 PM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] The List Oops > > I scrolled back looking for any message originated by an Albert and > couldn't find one. Could you reply please so I can see it again? > > I'm using 2002 and 2003 mostly here at work but do have 2007 and 2010 at > home. Don't really do "developing" per se on any forms of Access for years > and years though. I'm pretty much strictly a user myself nowadays. > > GK > > On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 1:07 PM, Tony Septav wrote: > > > Hey All > > > > RE: Albert asked a couple of simple (maybe to me) questions on how to do > > something (I have also done this in the past). > > > > > > > > Oooops before I get wacked for not responding if it was that simple, I > only > > meant it in the sense they were stated. I am still working in Access2003. > > > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > -- > Gary Kjos > garykjos at gmail.com > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2012.0.2221 / Virus Database: 2437/5273 - Release Date: 09/17/12 > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Gary Kjos garykjos at gmail.com From garykjos at gmail.com Tue Sep 18 15:20:38 2012 From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2012 15:20:38 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] The List In-Reply-To: References: <201209181753.q8IHrnbS029204@databaseadvisors.com> Message-ID: He meant Arthur. Not Albert. ;-) GK On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 3:13 PM, Charlotte Foust wrote: > Tony, > > You keep mentioning Albert's question. Who is Albert and what question did > he ask? I haven't seen any. > > Charlotte > > On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 10:53 AM, Tony Septav > wrote: > > > Hey All > > > > I agree about the openness (if that is the appropriate term) to join and > be > > welcomed to this list. Anytime I run into a site where they request I > > register, I avoid it like the plaque. But what I still see lacking is > any > > response to some questions that are being asked. > > > > Albert asked a couple of simple (maybe to me) questions on how to do > > something (I have also done this in the past). So far I have seen very > few > > responses, and I do think that is where we are really falling down. In > the > > past there would have been a plethora of responses (right or wrong), now > > many times they kind of just get swept under the carpet. I know we are > all > > busy or not and many times we are involved in other projects. I am just > as > > guilty as anyone else on this list. I am not saying "Hey you lazy > slackers > > respond" but I think we need to change our philosophy to keep the list > > alive > > and start to respond to these questions. As I mentioned we have some of > the > > best minds in the business on this list. How we change our approach I > > haven't got a clue, but we have to do something and not with a bunch of > > f....... rules (excuse my French) or we die. > > > > > > > > Gosh my head hurts. And just to keep you up to date, after 2 days I > finally > > found my slippers they were exactly where I put them 2 days ago for save > > keeping. Oh to be an Oscar Meyer wiener. > > > > > > > > Tony Septav > > > > Nanaimo, BC > > > > Canada > > > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Gary Kjos garykjos at gmail.com From tinanfields at torchlake.com Tue Sep 18 15:23:40 2012 From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2012 16:23:40 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] The list In-Reply-To: <5057EEA7.6020906@colbyconsulting.com> References: <5057E161.60301@colbyconsulting.com> <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B5250197CB@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com> <5057EEA7.6020906@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <5058D84C.6020009@torchlake.com> Eagerly awaiting that book for my reference shelf! T Tina Norris Fields tinanfields at torchlake.com 231-322-2787 On 9/17/2012 11:46 PM, jwcolby wrote: > I would like to finish Mr Colby's classy book of classes. May I use > that as a working title? > > John W. Colby > Colby Consulting > > Reality is what refuses to go away > when you do not believe in it > > On 9/17/2012 11:35 PM, Darryl Collins wrote: >> Hehehe.. It is ok Bill. You are not alone, I feel the same way much >> of the time. I would like to get hold of Mr Colby's classy book of >> classes when he has finished it though. >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William >> Benson >> Sent: Tuesday, 18 September 2012 1:14 PM >> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving >> Subject: Re: [AccessD] The list >> >> Not looking for sympathy but I have anxiety. For a long time have >> been of a growing conviction that every post of a technical nature >> which is over my head (while seeming to be some area I ought to be >> able to grasp) .... that doesnt at least have a bit of humor thrown >> in ... does make me feel more inadequate... in knowledge I should >> have .... and so, more anxious. >> >> Its not really the problem of the medium. When mental disorder is >> developing one can suck in stimulus and extra agitation from almost >> any source. >> >> I just want to thank those here who "keep it light" because it >> preserves my sanity just that little extra while. Youre doing good work! >> -- >> AccessD mailing list >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> >> > From TSeptav at Uniserve.com Tue Sep 18 15:44:34 2012 From: TSeptav at Uniserve.com (Tony Septav) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2012 15:44:34 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] The List Oops In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <201209182044.q8IKicSQ007192@databaseadvisors.com> Hey Gary Thank You, a brain dead moment jumping between Email and program coding and the dog lying at my feet between machines. Sorry Arthickolar, oops here I go again, I mean Arthur. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos Sent: September-18-12 3:20 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] The List Oops Ah Arthur not Albert. He's pushing the envelope with new development in newer versions than I regularly work with. He's not too shy to ask again if something doesn't get answered the first time though. GK On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 3:02 PM, Tony Septav wrote: > Hey Gary > I just deleted everything, but I think Arthur was looking for some > solutions > to the ribbon and navigation bars. Arthur can correct me on this point. > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos > Sent: September-18-12 2:37 PM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] The List Oops > > I scrolled back looking for any message originated by an Albert and > couldn't find one. Could you reply please so I can see it again? > > I'm using 2002 and 2003 mostly here at work but do have 2007 and 2010 at > home. Don't really do "developing" per se on any forms of Access for years > and years though. I'm pretty much strictly a user myself nowadays. > > GK > > On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 1:07 PM, Tony Septav wrote: > > > Hey All > > > > RE: Albert asked a couple of simple (maybe to me) questions on how to do > > something (I have also done this in the past). > > > > > > > > Oooops before I get wacked for not responding if it was that simple, I > only > > meant it in the sense they were stated. I am still working in Access2003. > > > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > -- > Gary Kjos > garykjos at gmail.com > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2012.0.2221 / Virus Database: 2437/5273 - Release Date: 09/17/12 > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Gary Kjos garykjos at gmail.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2221 / Virus Database: 2437/5273 - Release Date: 09/17/12 From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Tue Sep 18 15:51:01 2012 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2012 06:51:01 +1000 Subject: [AccessD] The list In-Reply-To: <50589BF9.1000208@colbyconsulting.com> References: , <007f01cd95b0$af797dd0$0e6c7970$@winhaven.net>, <50589BF9.1000208@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <5058DEB5.8173.86C8C66E@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Oh infamy! They've all got it in fer me! -- Stuart On 18 Sep 2012 at 12:06, jwcolby wrote: > > On DBA lists I rarely see anything even bordering on rude and you don't you don't get points for > participating - you get friends or you get infamous. In JC's case, both ;-) > > > I try so hard to be famous and the best I get is infamous. > > ;) > > John W. Colby > Colby Consulting > > Reality is what refuses to go away > when you do not believe in it > > On 9/18/2012 11:17 AM, John Bartow wrote: > > On DBA lists I rarely see anything even bordering on rude and you don't you > > don't get points for participating - you get friends or you get infamous. In > > JC's case, both ;-) > > > > Regards, > > John B > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Tue Sep 18 15:55:52 2012 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2012 06:55:52 +1000 Subject: [AccessD] The list In-Reply-To: References: , <008a01cd95b0$b67a6630$236f3290$@winhaven.net>, Message-ID: <5058DFD8.26073.86CD35A4@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> That probably explains why I have had to wade through so many irrelevant and wrong answers every time I tried it. Those answering knew little or nothing about the subject, but needed to make their monthly quota. :-( -- Stuart On 18 Sep 2012 at 12:56, Jim Dettman wrote: > > That's a common misconception; it's only pay if you don't contribute. EE > in the past was not as forth right as they should have been with that and > many of us complained. Now it's up front on the sign-up page; answer about > three questions a month or pay. I've been on EE 13 years and haven't paid a > dime to date. From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Tue Sep 18 16:02:01 2012 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2012 14:02:01 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Need to Suppress Subtotals that are Equal to zero (andNot Create Excess White Space on the Report) In-Reply-To: References: <201209181808.q8II7whH006385@databaseadvisors.com> Message-ID: <44D29CF2664B45D082F642DEFFE37F50@HAL9007> First thought: If you can structure a query for the summary report that has as one of it's fields the sub-total, then you can filter out the rows which are zero. I've also used this in the detail section to skip a record based on a condition but never in a group footer - but easy enough to test In the format event If sub-total=0 then Me.MoveLayout = False Me.NextRecord = True Me.PrintSection = False End if IF these don't work we'll think of something else. Rocky -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brad Marks Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2012 12:48 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: [AccessD] Need to Suppress Subtotals that are Equal to zero (andNot Create Excess White Space on the Report) All, I have an existing report that summarizes Sales Orders. For each Part on each Sales Order, there is a line that shows the number of parts manufactured and the number of parts shipped. This is working nicely. This report also has a subtotal on the number of parts. In 99% of the cases, this subtotal will be 0, as the number of parts that are manufactured *should* be the same as the number of parts shipped. This subtotal is working nicely also. Recently, there has been a request to create a variation of this report that does not show details, but ONLY shows subtotals that are not zero. This will save time for our users as they will not need to wade through many pages of the existing report looking for subtotals that are not zero. I have set up a new report that only shows subtotals. In the Subtotal Footer "On Print" event, I have coded "Cancel = True" if the subtotal amount is zero. This works, but there are now blank lines on the report for all subtotals that are zero. I have set the Subtotal Footer and the two fields in the footer to "Can Shrink = YES" I am trying to figure out how to prevent the white space from being generated for subtotals that are being suppressed. Thanks, Brad -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Tue Sep 18 16:11:13 2012 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2012 07:11:13 +1000 Subject: [AccessD] Need to Suppress Subtotals that are Equal to zero (and Not Create Excess White Space on the Report) In-Reply-To: References: <201209181808.q8II7whH006385@databaseadvisors.com>, Message-ID: <5058E371.31013.86DB430C@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> My first approach would be to modify the underlying query to group on part number, count(mannufactured), count(shipped) and filter for manufactured <> shipped. Then put the data in the detail. IOW, make the query engine do the work rather than the report engine. It's likely to be far simpler. -- Stuart On 18 Sep 2012 at 14:47, Brad Marks wrote: > All, > > I have an existing report that summarizes Sales Orders. For each Part > on each Sales Order, there is a line that shows the number of parts > manufactured and the number of parts shipped. This is working nicely. > > This report also has a subtotal on the number of parts. In 99% of the > cases, this subtotal will be 0, as the number of parts that are > manufactured *should* be the same as the number of parts shipped. This > subtotal is working nicely also. > > Recently, there has been a request to create a variation of this report > that does not show details, but ONLY shows subtotals that are not zero. > This will save time for our users as they will not need to wade through > many pages of the existing report looking for subtotals that are not > zero. > > I have set up a new report that only shows subtotals. In the Subtotal > Footer "On Print" event, I have coded "Cancel = True" if the subtotal > amount is zero. > > This works, but there are now blank lines on the report for all > subtotals that are zero. > > I have set the Subtotal Footer and the two fields in the footer to "Can > Shrink = YES" > > I am trying to figure out how to prevent the white space from being > generated for subtotals that are being suppressed. > > Thanks, > Brad > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From jimdettman at verizon.net Tue Sep 18 16:16:05 2012 From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2012 17:16:05 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] The list In-Reply-To: <5058DFD8.26073.86CD35A4@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: , <008a01cd95b0$b67a6630$236f3290$@winhaven.net>, <5058DFD8.26073.86CD35A4@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <2CDB89A1E8324B31AFC79FE91C7450B8@XPS> Well it's up to the asker to select an answer as the solution, and you don't get any points until your comment is (or you get an assist). I would like to think that someone doesn't accept a comment if it doesn't solve their problem, but many feel that effort should be rewarded, which is another thing I disagree with in a big way. Does it solve the problem or not? If not, no accept and no points. No one liked my comments when I was on question clean-up. But now an asker is cut-off if they leave too many open questions behind, so clean-up is not needed like it once was. That has turned into another reason though you sometimes find accepted solutions that are really solutions. The better topic areas will have Expert's that complain about those, and if it's something that's dead wrong or will harm someone's system, we un-accept it and delete it. It's far from perfect, but I don't see many other sites out there any better. Utter Access is not bad. Stack Overflow has a number of issues and the Microsoft Answers forums are pretty much the same as Stack. It's as always, a work in progress and some years are better and some worse. Wish they'd go back to restricted points; Expert's really had to work back then and give good answers. Askers had to stick with their questions more too. Doubt it will ever happen though :( Jim. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2012 04:56 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] The list That probably explains why I have had to wade through so many irrelevant and wrong answers every time I tried it. Those answering knew little or nothing about the subject, but needed to make their monthly quota. :-( -- Stuart On 18 Sep 2012 at 12:56, Jim Dettman wrote: > > That's a common misconception; it's only pay if you don't contribute. EE > in the past was not as forth right as they should have been with that and > many of us complained. Now it's up front on the sign-up page; answer about > three questions a month or pay. I've been on EE 13 years and haven't paid a > dime to date. -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Tue Sep 18 16:22:34 2012 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2012 14:22:34 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] The list In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7EDF10A8F34348EA85C57B8D937656C9@creativesystemdesigns.com> Are you just an arm-chair critic? You know what the problems are and know how to fix it so no more talk; when can we expect you to do something? Today, next week or definitely by the end of the month? Jim -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kenneth Ismert Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2012 9:49 AM To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [AccessD] The list To summarize my points: * We are a tiny group * We have no search engine visibility * We have no web presence * Our site is totally out of date * We absolutely lack any kind of promotion or marketing strategy, even to our own group * We use completely outdated technology Without major changes, we are toast. Right now, I don't even see any general consensus on the issues, let alone a plan to solve the problems. -Ken -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From BradM at blackforestltd.com Tue Sep 18 16:26:37 2012 From: BradM at blackforestltd.com (Brad Marks) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2012 16:26:37 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Need to Suppress Subtotals that are Equal to zero(and Not Create Excess White Space on the Report) References: <201209181808.q8II7whH006385@databaseadvisors.com>, <5058E371.31013.86DB430C@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: Steve, Charlotte, Rocky, Stuart, Thanks to all of you for your help and insights on this issue. As suggested, instead of using the "On Print" event, I switched to the "On Format" event and this eliminated the excess white space. Longer term, I plan to look into changing the underlying query. I appreciate the assistance. I owe y'all a beer! :-) Brad -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2012 4:11 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Need to Suppress Subtotals that are Equal to zero(and Not Create Excess White Space on the Report) My first approach would be to modify the underlying query to group on part number, count(mannufactured), count(shipped) and filter for manufactured <> shipped. Then put the data in the detail. IOW, make the query engine do the work rather than the report engine. It's likely to be far simpler. -- Stuart On 18 Sep 2012 at 14:47, Brad Marks wrote: > All, > > I have an existing report that summarizes Sales Orders. For each Part > on each Sales Order, there is a line that shows the number of parts > manufactured and the number of parts shipped. This is working nicely. > > This report also has a subtotal on the number of parts. In 99% of the > cases, this subtotal will be 0, as the number of parts that are > manufactured *should* be the same as the number of parts shipped. This > subtotal is working nicely also. > > Recently, there has been a request to create a variation of this report > that does not show details, but ONLY shows subtotals that are not zero. > This will save time for our users as they will not need to wade through > many pages of the existing report looking for subtotals that are not > zero. > > I have set up a new report that only shows subtotals. In the Subtotal > Footer "On Print" event, I have coded "Cancel = True" if the subtotal > amount is zero. > > This works, but there are now blank lines on the report for all > subtotals that are zero. > > I have set the Subtotal Footer and the two fields in the footer to "Can > Shrink = YES" > > I am trying to figure out how to prevent the white space from being > generated for subtotals that are being suppressed. > > Thanks, > Brad > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Tue Sep 18 16:36:11 2012 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2012 17:36:11 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] The List Oops In-Reply-To: <009601cd95d9$19743360$4c5c9a20$@mattysconsulting.com> References: <201209181808.q8II7whH006385@databaseadvisors.com> <009601cd95d9$19743360$4c5c9a20$@mattysconsulting.com> Message-ID: <5058E94B.2030105@colbyconsulting.com> He meant Arthur, who was asking about 2007/10 ribbon stuff. I know nothing (in general) so I didn't respond. John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it On 9/18/2012 4:06 PM, Michael Mattys wrote: > Hi, Tony > > Albert's message never made it to this list. > > Michael R Mattys > Mattys Consulting, LLC > www.mattysconsulting.com From accessd at shaw.ca Tue Sep 18 16:45:20 2012 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2012 14:45:20 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] HTML5 mobile-friendly web sites vs. native mobile apps - Was:Re: Bootcamp or Paralells - was RE: OT: iPhone/iPaddevelopment on an MS Windows PC - noway? In-Reply-To: <1347992765.555532672@f243.mail.ru> References: <1347636826.783194936@f100.mail.ru>, <1347912508.985072171@f237.mail.ru><6F5DA206A4C847EB8348CEAEA5449B66@creativesystemdesigns.com> <1347992765.555532672@f243.mail.ru> Message-ID: <8FB98D6F092C4486B41D464B1E7B2148@creativesystemdesigns.com> Hi Shamil: You have just brought up the reason for standards like HTML5/CSS3. They became necessary when companies started creating, half-heartedly supporting and eventually dumping proprietary coding standards that only worked correctly in certain environments. " XAML and SilverLight " are the latest of a long list of proprietary coding efforts and are not universally accepted or are not likely to be so. Most browser are not IE and every year the percentage number of IE browser get less. According to the latest statistics only 16 percent of web developers develop in IE and for good reason. Lack universal standards and proprietary products is the main cause. The new young developers are looking for Open standards so in fifty years they will still be working. Jim -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Salakhetdinov Shamil Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2012 11:26 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] HTML5 mobile-friendly web sites vs. native mobile apps - Was:Re: Bootcamp or Paralells - was RE: OT: iPhone/iPaddevelopment on an MS Windows PC - noway? Hi Jim -- <<< In summary, a form in Access and HTML 5 can be built in minutes... >>> Yes, I know. (Learning here KnockoutJS binding, JavaScript, jQuery, ...) <<< lets see?someone build the same form, with the same function and appearance, in native code, in minutes. >>> For WinPhone that "native code" will be XAML and SilverLight - no more work than with Access or HTML5. For iPhone and Android - there should be something similar - I mean high level UI design tools... The point is not speed of execution of applications. The point is not the speed of UI development. The point is ?-> quoting Marc Zuckerberg: "Our Biggest Mistake Was Betting Too Much On?HTML5" see:?http://techcrunch.com/2012/09/11/mark-zuckerberg-our-biggest-mistake-wi th-mobile-was-betting-too-much-on-html5/ and "Over the next 3-5 years the question that's on everyone's mind is going to?be how well we do with mobile" see:?http://mashable.com/2012/09/11/mark-zuckerberg-post-ipo-interview/ Thank you. -- Shamil Mon, 17 Sep 2012 16:17:38 -0700 ?? "Jim Lawrence" : >Hi Shamil: > > HTML 5 is not some high speed development engine, it is more like VB or VBA > and it is built just for FE presentations. > > If you interested in super high performance a programmer should start > looking at Java, at the least and most likely C or C++. HTML 5 is just like > MS Access which is a simplified database presentation manager...if the > client wants super high performance then they have to be willing to anti-up > and have a dedicated programmer (or two, or three) on the pay-roll. > > It is all a matter of cost versus required performance. > > That said, MS Access is perfectly acceptable for small to medium databases. > It speed of development is impossible to match if you plan to "roll your > own". HTML 5 is the same thing. OTOH, the performance that a good programmer > can get of Access or even HTML 5 is quite remarkable. In addition, there are > so many tools, code samples and add-ins out there for MS Access and HTML 5 > that a good hacker can make a client smile in less than a week. ><<< tail text trimmed to bypass moderators approval >>> > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Tue Sep 18 16:48:02 2012 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2012 07:48:02 +1000 Subject: [AccessD] The List Oops In-Reply-To: <5058E94B.2030105@colbyconsulting.com> References: <201209181808.q8II7whH006385@databaseadvisors.com>, <009601cd95d9$19743360$4c5c9a20$@mattysconsulting.com>, <5058E94B.2030105@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <5058EC12.4281.86FCF970@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Same here. I'm now developing in 2010, but have had no need to do anything with the ribbon. (other than hide it ) -- Stuart On 18 Sep 2012 at 17:36, jwcolby wrote: > He meant Arthur, who was asking about 2007/10 ribbon stuff. I know nothing (in general) so I didn't > respond. > > John W. Colby > Colby Consulting > > Reality is what refuses to go away > when you do not believe in it > > On 9/18/2012 4:06 PM, Michael Mattys wrote: > > Hi, Tony > > > > Albert's message never made it to this list. > > > > Michael R Mattys > > Mattys Consulting, LLC > > www.mattysconsulting.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From accessd at shaw.ca Tue Sep 18 16:59:46 2012 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2012 14:59:46 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Need to Suppress Subtotals that are Equal to zero (andNot Create Excess White Space on the Report) In-Reply-To: References: <201209181808.q8II7whH006385@databaseadvisors.com> Message-ID: Hi Brad : If you haven't done so look report Events section. Check out "On Page" event. This where I would put the code to check for a zero balance and turn off the field altogether. You might check into adding different groups and put the balance display within one of these group...if a balance is zero turn off the group display. Something like: Me.BalanceFooterSection.Visible = (Me.Balance <> 0) Jim -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brad Marks Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2012 12:48 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: [AccessD] Need to Suppress Subtotals that are Equal to zero (andNot Create Excess White Space on the Report) All, I have an existing report that summarizes Sales Orders. For each Part on each Sales Order, there is a line that shows the number of parts manufactured and the number of parts shipped. This is working nicely. This report also has a subtotal on the number of parts. In 99% of the cases, this subtotal will be 0, as the number of parts that are manufactured *should* be the same as the number of parts shipped. This subtotal is working nicely also. Recently, there has been a request to create a variation of this report that does not show details, but ONLY shows subtotals that are not zero. This will save time for our users as they will not need to wade through many pages of the existing report looking for subtotals that are not zero. I have set up a new report that only shows subtotals. In the Subtotal Footer "On Print" event, I have coded "Cancel = True" if the subtotal amount is zero. This works, but there are now blank lines on the report for all subtotals that are zero. I have set the Subtotal Footer and the two fields in the footer to "Can Shrink = YES" I am trying to figure out how to prevent the white space from being generated for subtotals that are being suppressed. Thanks, Brad -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Tue Sep 18 17:30:40 2012 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2012 18:30:40 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] The List In-Reply-To: References: <201209181753.q8IHrnbS029204@databaseadvisors.com> Message-ID: The questions I asked were about customizing the Navigation pane and the Ribbon. I have found next to nothing in my Google searches, thus far. Has any lister customized either of these new objects? A. On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 4:20 PM, Gary Kjos wrote: > He meant Arthur. Not Albert. ;-) > > GK > > From jackandpat.d at gmail.com Tue Sep 18 17:45:50 2012 From: jackandpat.d at gmail.com (jack drawbridge) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2012 18:45:50 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] The List In-Reply-To: References: <201209181753.q8IHrnbS029204@databaseadvisors.com> Message-ID: Arthur, I don't have acc2007 or 2010, but I did a little searching and found these links. If you've already been there, then throw them away -- don't shoot the messenger. http://www.utteraccess.com/forum/Access-2007-NavigationPan-t1953151.html http://www.utteraccess.com/forum/lofiversion/index.php/t1496042.html Also, wanted to say I enjoyed (respectfully) your tribute to your friend. jack On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 6:30 PM, Arthur Fuller wrote: > The questions I asked were about customizing the Navigation pane and the > Ribbon. I have found next to nothing in my Google searches, thus far. Has > any lister customized either of these new objects? > > A. > > On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 4:20 PM, Gary Kjos wrote: > > > He meant Arthur. Not Albert. ;-) > > > > GK > > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From charlotte.foust at gmail.com Tue Sep 18 17:51:14 2012 From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2012 15:51:14 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] The List In-Reply-To: References: <201209181753.q8IHrnbS029204@databaseadvisors.com> Message-ID: Arthur, Maybe you didn't get an answer because most of us aren't working with the beasts! I happen to work with them but haven't yet bothered to do anything about them except minimize the ribbon and hide the nav pane. That may change going forward, but a non-specific question didn't incite me to learn right now. What specifically were you trying to do with them? I don't recall any elaboration on what "customizing" consisted of. Charlotte On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 3:30 PM, Arthur Fuller wrote: > The questions I asked were about customizing the Navigation pane and the > Ribbon. I have found next to nothing in my Google searches, thus far. Has > any lister customized either of these new objects? > > A. > > On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 4:20 PM, Gary Kjos wrote: > > > He meant Arthur. Not Albert. ;-) > > > > GK > > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From charlotte.foust at gmail.com Tue Sep 18 17:53:21 2012 From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2012 15:53:21 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Need to Suppress Subtotals that are Equal to zero (andNot Create Excess White Space on the Report) In-Reply-To: References: <201209181808.q8II7whH006385@databaseadvisors.com> Message-ID: One of the many useful applications of grouping in Access reports that some "experts" apparently don't know about. Charlotte On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 2:59 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > Hi Brad : > > If you haven't done so look report Events section. Check out "On Page" > event. This where I would put the code to check for a zero balance and turn > off the field altogether. You might check into adding different groups and > put the balance display within one of these group...if a balance is zero > turn off the group display. > > Something like: > > Me.BalanceFooterSection.Visible = (Me.Balance <> 0) > > Jim > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brad Marks > Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2012 12:48 PM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: [AccessD] Need to Suppress Subtotals that are Equal to zero > (andNot > Create Excess White Space on the Report) > > All, > > I have an existing report that summarizes Sales Orders. For each Part > on each Sales Order, there is a line that shows the number of parts > manufactured and the number of parts shipped. This is working nicely. > > This report also has a subtotal on the number of parts. In 99% of the > cases, this subtotal will be 0, as the number of parts that are > manufactured *should* be the same as the number of parts shipped. This > subtotal is working nicely also. > > Recently, there has been a request to create a variation of this report > that does not show details, but ONLY shows subtotals that are not zero. > This will save time for our users as they will not need to wade through > many pages of the existing report looking for subtotals that are not > zero. > > I have set up a new report that only shows subtotals. In the Subtotal > Footer "On Print" event, I have coded "Cancel = True" if the subtotal > amount is zero. > > This works, but there are now blank lines on the report for all > subtotals that are zero. > > I have set the Subtotal Footer and the two fields in the footer to "Can > Shrink = YES" > > I am trying to figure out how to prevent the white space from being > generated for subtotals that are being suppressed. > > Thanks, > Brad > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From fuller.artful at gmail.com Tue Sep 18 18:32:34 2012 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2012 19:32:34 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] The List In-Reply-To: References: <201209181753.q8IHrnbS029204@databaseadvisors.com> Message-ID: Jack, Thanks for the links and the comment about my tribute to my departed friend; I just followed both of your leads and via Utter Access, they lead to some excellent tutorials with samples in zip files. That site is called access-freak.com and looks like an excellent source of material about the new stuff in Access 2007. Arthur > From hans.andersen at phulse.com Tue Sep 18 20:02:00 2012 From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2012 18:02:00 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] The List In-Reply-To: References: <201209181753.q8IHrnbS029204@databaseadvisors.com> Message-ID: <6F0FEDE9-D87D-4738-8E9F-CDDF7C045A14@phulse.com> I feel this is somewhat relevant to our discussion here regarding EE. http://xkcd.com/979/ - Hans On 2012-09-18, at 1:20 PM, Gary Kjos wrote: > He meant Arthur. Not Albert. ;-) > > GK > > On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 3:13 PM, Charlotte Foust > wrote: > >> Tony, >> >> You keep mentioning Albert's question. Who is Albert and what question did >> he ask? I haven't seen any. >> >> Charlotte >> >> On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 10:53 AM, Tony Septav >> wrote: >> >>> Hey All >>> >>> I agree about the openness (if that is the appropriate term) to join and >> be >>> welcomed to this list. Anytime I run into a site where they request I >>> register, I avoid it like the plaque. But what I still see lacking is >> any >>> response to some questions that are being asked. >>> >>> Albert asked a couple of simple (maybe to me) questions on how to do >>> something (I have also done this in the past). So far I have seen very >> few >>> responses, and I do think that is where we are really falling down. In >> the >>> past there would have been a plethora of responses (right or wrong), now >>> many times they kind of just get swept under the carpet. I know we are >> all >>> busy or not and many times we are involved in other projects. I am just >> as >>> guilty as anyone else on this list. I am not saying "Hey you lazy >> slackers >>> respond" but I think we need to change our philosophy to keep the list >>> alive >>> and start to respond to these questions. As I mentioned we have some of >> the >>> best minds in the business on this list. How we change our approach I >>> haven't got a clue, but we have to do something and not with a bunch of >>> f....... rules (excuse my French) or we die. >>> >>> >>> >>> Gosh my head hurts. And just to keep you up to date, after 2 days I >> finally >>> found my slippers they were exactly where I put them 2 days ago for save >>> keeping. Oh to be an Oscar Meyer wiener. >>> >>> >>> >>> Tony Septav >>> >>> Nanaimo, BC >>> >>> Canada >>> >>> -- >>> AccessD mailing list >>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >>> >> -- >> AccessD mailing list >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> > > > > -- > Gary Kjos > garykjos at gmail.com > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au Tue Sep 18 20:50:58 2012 From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2012 01:50:58 +0000 Subject: [AccessD] The List In-Reply-To: <6F0FEDE9-D87D-4738-8E9F-CDDF7C045A14@phulse.com> References: <201209181753.q8IHrnbS029204@databaseadvisors.com> <6F0FEDE9-D87D-4738-8E9F-CDDF7C045A14@phulse.com> Message-ID: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B525019D17@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com> I would say worse than "no answer" is someone who has found the solution but failed to post what it was (or a dead link). I have had a few of them and it does make me want to pull my hair out!! -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Hans-Christian Andersen Sent: Wednesday, 19 September 2012 11:02 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] The List I feel this is somewhat relevant to our discussion here regarding EE. http://xkcd.com/979/ - Hans On 2012-09-18, at 1:20 PM, Gary Kjos wrote: > He meant Arthur. Not Albert. ;-) > > GK > > On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 3:13 PM, Charlotte Foust > wrote: > >> Tony, >> >> You keep mentioning Albert's question. Who is Albert and what >> question did he ask? I haven't seen any. >> >> Charlotte >> >> On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 10:53 AM, Tony Septav >> wrote: >> >>> Hey All >>> >>> I agree about the openness (if that is the appropriate term) to join >>> and >> be >>> welcomed to this list. Anytime I run into a site where they request >>> I register, I avoid it like the plaque. But what I still see >>> lacking is >> any >>> response to some questions that are being asked. >>> >>> Albert asked a couple of simple (maybe to me) questions on how to do >>> something (I have also done this in the past). So far I have seen >>> very >> few >>> responses, and I do think that is where we are really falling down. >>> In >> the >>> past there would have been a plethora of responses (right or wrong), >>> now many times they kind of just get swept under the carpet. I know >>> we are >> all >>> busy or not and many times we are involved in other projects. I am >>> just >> as >>> guilty as anyone else on this list. I am not saying "Hey you lazy >> slackers >>> respond" but I think we need to change our philosophy to keep the >>> list alive and start to respond to these questions. As I mentioned >>> we have some of >> the >>> best minds in the business on this list. How we change our approach >>> I haven't got a clue, but we have to do something and not with a >>> bunch of f....... rules (excuse my French) or we die. >>> >>> >>> >>> Gosh my head hurts. And just to keep you up to date, after 2 days I >> finally >>> found my slippers they were exactly where I put them 2 days ago for >>> save keeping. Oh to be an Oscar Meyer wiener. >>> >>> >>> >>> Tony Septav >>> >>> Nanaimo, BC >>> >>> Canada >>> >>> -- >>> AccessD mailing list >>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >>> >> -- >> AccessD mailing list >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> > > > > -- > Gary Kjos > garykjos at gmail.com > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Tue Sep 18 20:57:31 2012 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2012 18:57:31 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] The List In-Reply-To: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B525019D17@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com> References: <201209181753.q8IHrnbS029204@databaseadvisors.com><6F0FEDE9-D87D-4738-8E9F-CDDF7C045A14@phulse.com> <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B525019D17@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com> Message-ID: That's what makes it so sadistically funny... ;-) Jim -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darryl Collins Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2012 6:51 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] The List I would say worse than "no answer" is someone who has found the solution but failed to post what it was (or a dead link). I have had a few of them and it does make me want to pull my hair out!! -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Hans-Christian Andersen Sent: Wednesday, 19 September 2012 11:02 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] The List I feel this is somewhat relevant to our discussion here regarding EE. http://xkcd.com/979/ - Hans On 2012-09-18, at 1:20 PM, Gary Kjos wrote: > He meant Arthur. Not Albert. ;-) > > GK > > On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 3:13 PM, Charlotte Foust > wrote: > >> Tony, >> >> You keep mentioning Albert's question. Who is Albert and what >> question did he ask? I haven't seen any. >> >> Charlotte >> >> On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 10:53 AM, Tony Septav >> wrote: >> >>> Hey All >>> >>> I agree about the openness (if that is the appropriate term) to join >>> and >> be >>> welcomed to this list. Anytime I run into a site where they request >>> I register, I avoid it like the plaque. But what I still see >>> lacking is >> any >>> response to some questions that are being asked. >>> >>> Albert asked a couple of simple (maybe to me) questions on how to do >>> something (I have also done this in the past). So far I have seen >>> very >> few >>> responses, and I do think that is where we are really falling down. >>> In >> the >>> past there would have been a plethora of responses (right or wrong), >>> now many times they kind of just get swept under the carpet. I know >>> we are >> all >>> busy or not and many times we are involved in other projects. I am >>> just >> as >>> guilty as anyone else on this list. I am not saying "Hey you lazy >> slackers >>> respond" but I think we need to change our philosophy to keep the >>> list alive and start to respond to these questions. As I mentioned >>> we have some of >> the >>> best minds in the business on this list. How we change our approach >>> I haven't got a clue, but we have to do something and not with a >>> bunch of f....... rules (excuse my French) or we die. >>> >>> >>> >>> Gosh my head hurts. And just to keep you up to date, after 2 days I >> finally >>> found my slippers they were exactly where I put them 2 days ago for >>> save keeping. Oh to be an Oscar Meyer wiener. >>> >>> >>> >>> Tony Septav >>> >>> Nanaimo, BC >>> >>> Canada >>> >>> -- >>> AccessD mailing list >>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >>> >> -- >> AccessD mailing list >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> > > > > -- > Gary Kjos > garykjos at gmail.com > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From john at winhaven.net Tue Sep 18 23:40:08 2012 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2012 23:40:08 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] The List In-Reply-To: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B525019D17@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com> References: <201209181753.q8IHrnbS029204@databaseadvisors.com> <6F0FEDE9-D87D-4738-8E9F-CDDF7C045A14@phulse.com> <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B525019D17@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com> Message-ID: <001501cd9620$d9446330$8bcd2990$@winhaven.net> Been there! -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darryl Collins I would say worse than "no answer" is someone who has found the solution but failed to post what it was (or a dead link). I have had a few of them and it does make me want to pull my hair out!! http://xkcd.com/979/ - Hans From john at winhaven.net Tue Sep 18 23:40:08 2012 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2012 23:40:08 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] The List In-Reply-To: References: <201209181753.q8IHrnbS029204@databaseadvisors.com><6F0FEDE9-D87D-4738-8E9F-CDDF7C045A14@phulse.com> <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B525019D17@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com> Message-ID: <001401cd9620$d920ae90$8b620bb0$@winhaven.net> Maybe what you all should do is post a link to AccessD as the solution to all of those questions ;-) Funny how everyone can talk about the others here. Do you do the same there? From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au Tue Sep 18 23:45:05 2012 From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2012 04:45:05 +0000 Subject: [AccessD] OT: But very cool... Message-ID: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B525019EE6@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com> This site is rather amazing. Click on the plane and it gives you a whole lot more tech specs. This is live info as well. Very slick. I was impressed - maybe it will be of use to you as well. http://www.heraldsun.com.au/travel/news/real-time-map-shows-every-plane-in-the-air-now/story-fn32891l-1226476960352 or the actual site > Cheers Darryl. From mcp2004 at mail.ru Wed Sep 19 01:36:34 2012 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2012 10:36:34 +0400 Subject: [AccessD] =?utf-8?q?HTML5_mobile-friendly_web_sites_vs=2E_native_?= =?utf-8?q?mobile_apps_-_Was=3ARe=3A_Bootcamp_or_Paralells_-_was_RE=3A_OT?= =?utf-8?q?=3A_iPhone/iPaddevelopment_on_an_MS_Windows_PC_-_noway=3F?= In-Reply-To: <8FB98D6F092C4486B41D464B1E7B2148@creativesystemdesigns.com> References: <1347636826.783194936@f100.mail.ru>, <1347992765.555532672@f243.mail.ru> <8FB98D6F092C4486B41D464B1E7B2148@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: <1348036594.703563362@f76.mail.ru> Hi Jim -- Standardization?is an "enemy" of innovation. (No pun intended). Look at what Apple is doing - they are "breaking" standards "as crazy". (Last news - they are becoming proprietary chip-maker -?http://techcrunch.com/2012/09/18/the-iphone-5s-greatest-inside-story-chipmaking-maturation-for-apple/?) <<< The new young developers are looking for Open standards so in fifty years they will still be working >>> I'd say "open end" standards - common communication interfaces, APIs, ... - open for consumption and extension. But programming languages are a "special story" IMO. More like natural languages, cultures - they tend to "borrow & adapt" each other words/features/habits/cuisines/... but in the same time preserve and develop there own intrinsic?features - or die. <<< " XAML and SilverLight " are the latest of a long list of proprietary coding efforts and are not universally accepted or are not likely to be so. Most browser are not IE and every year the percentage number of IE browser get less.? >>> I meant that XAML and SilverLight are used to develop Windows Phone native applications, as ObjectiveC is used to develop native iPhone/iPad apps and Android Development Kit/Java is used to develop Android native apps. Of course "there is no ?right answer? between native and mobile web applications other than the right answer for a particular application based on its design, functionality and business plan":?http://blog.cloudfour.com/the-five-most-common-arguments-for-native-iphone-development/?... Generalized Recap: I'm voting/looking for the open standards, free competition and this world without confines but I'm also for diversity and I'm not for standardized faceless crowd... Thank you. --Shamil P.S. Free competition does require ?"fair rules" and "fair arbiters" - no illusions here - now and very probably forever... Tue, 18 Sep 2012 14:45:20 -0700 ?? "Jim Lawrence" : >Hi Shamil: > > You have just brought up the reason for standards like HTML5/CSS3. > > They became necessary when companies started creating, half-heartedly > supporting and eventually dumping proprietary coding standards that only > worked correctly in certain environments. > > " XAML and SilverLight " are the latest of a long list of proprietary coding > efforts and are not universally accepted or are not likely to be so. Most > browser are not IE and every year the percentage number of IE browser get > less. > > According to the latest statistics only 16 percent of web developers develop > in IE and for good reason. Lack universal standards and proprietary products > is the main cause. > > The new young developers are looking for Open standards so in fifty years > they will still be working. > > Jim ><<< skipped >>> > From gustav at cactus.dk Wed Sep 19 02:19:10 2012 From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2012 09:19:10 +0200 Subject: [AccessD] OT: But very cool... Message-ID: Hi Darryl Thanks. Cool stuff. /gustav >>> darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au 19-09-12 6:45 >>> This site is rather amazing. Click on the plane and it gives you a whole lot more tech specs. This is live info as well. Very slick. I was impressed - maybe it will be of use to you as well. http://www.heraldsun.com.au/travel/news/real-time-map-shows-every-plane-in-the-air-now/story-fn32891l-1226476960352 or the actual site > Cheers Darryl. From gustav at cactus.dk Wed Sep 19 02:32:17 2012 From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2012 09:32:17 +0200 Subject: [AccessD] Customizing the ribbon (was: The List) Message-ID: Hi Arthur Gunter Avenius has a very good site: http://www.accessribbon.de/en/ with extensive info and many links and, of course, his RibbonCreator. /gustav >>> fuller.artful at gmail.com 19-09-12 0:30 >>> The questions I asked were about customizing the Navigation pane and the Ribbon. I have found next to nothing in my Google searches, thus far. Has any lister customized either of these new objects? A. From mcp2004 at mail.ru Wed Sep 19 02:46:04 2012 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2012 11:46:04 +0400 Subject: [AccessD] =?utf-8?q?OT=3A_But_very_cool=2E=2E=2E?= In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1348040764.669546621@f325.mail.ru> Hi Gustav & Darryl, Yes, it's very cool. It's interesting to "Zoom-out" the map to see the most "airplanes crowded" areas - West Europe is impressive... (Of course not all flights have their flight info presented on the map -?http://www.flightradar24.com/how-it-works?)... And I have got FlightRadar24 WinPhone native app installed :) Thank you. -- Shamil Wed, 19 Sep 2012 09:19:10 +0200 ?? "Gustav Brock" : > > > > >Hi Darryl > > Thanks. Cool stuff. > > /gustav > > > >>> darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au 19-09-12 6:45 >>> > This site is rather amazing. Click on the plane and it gives you a whole lot more tech specs. This is live info as well. Very slick. I was impressed - maybe it will be of use to you as well. > >http://www.heraldsun.com.au/travel/news/real-time-map-shows-every-plane-in-the-air-now/story-fn32891l-1226476960352 > or the actual site > > > > Cheers > Darryl. > > -- > AccessD mailing list >AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From gustav at cactus.dk Wed Sep 19 03:30:42 2012 From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2012 10:30:42 +0200 Subject: [AccessD] OT: But very cool... Message-ID: Hi Shamil Oh, I didn't notice the WinPhone app, but it is installed now. /gustav >>> mcp2004 at mail.ru 19-09-12 9:46 >>> Hi Gustav & Darryl, Yes, it's very cool. It's interesting to "Zoom-out" the map to see the most "airplanes crowded" areas - West Europe is impressive... (Of course not all flights have their flight info presented on the map -*http://www.flightradar24.com/how-it-works*)... And I have got FlightRadar24 WinPhone native app installed :) Thank you. -- Shamil Wed, 19 Sep 2012 09:19:10 +0200 ?? "Gustav Brock" : > > > > >Hi Darryl > > Thanks. Cool stuff. > > /gustav > > > >>> darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au 19-09-12 6:45 >>> > This site is rather amazing. Click on the plane and it gives you a whole lot more tech specs. This is live info as well. Very slick. I was impressed - maybe it will be of use to you as well. > >http://www.heraldsun.com.au/travel/news/real-time-map-shows-every-plane-in-the-air-now/story-fn32891l-1226476960352 > or the actual site > > > > Cheers > Darryl. From jimdettman at verizon.net Wed Sep 19 06:50:02 2012 From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2012 07:50:02 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Customizing the ribbon (was: The List) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Best source on the net for Ribbon info, bar none. I meant to post that the other day, but let it slip (couldn't remember the site off-hand). Jim. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2012 03:32 AM To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [AccessD] Customizing the ribbon (was: The List) Hi Arthur Gunter Avenius has a very good site: http://www.accessribbon.de/en/ with extensive info and many links and, of course, his RibbonCreator. /gustav >>> fuller.artful at gmail.com 19-09-12 0:30 >>> The questions I asked were about customizing the Navigation pane and the Ribbon. I have found next to nothing in my Google searches, thus far. Has any lister customized either of these new objects? A. -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jimdettman at verizon.net Wed Sep 19 06:50:02 2012 From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2012 07:50:02 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Need to Suppress Subtotals that are Equal to zero(andNot Create Excess White Space on the Report) In-Reply-To: References: <201209181808.q8II7whH006385@databaseadvisors.com> Message-ID: <1AB322A97BAE43C7AD65484CF742CFE1@XPS> Got to be careful with OnPage though. I've found that doing anything other then adding to what's already there (like drawing a border) doesn't work well if at all. For hiding things, much better to handle things in the OnFormat event before it even gets placed on the page. Jim. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2012 06:00 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Need to Suppress Subtotals that are Equal to zero(andNot Create Excess White Space on the Report) Hi Brad : If you haven't done so look report Events section. Check out "On Page" event. This where I would put the code to check for a zero balance and turn off the field altogether. You might check into adding different groups and put the balance display within one of these group...if a balance is zero turn off the group display. Something like: Me.BalanceFooterSection.Visible = (Me.Balance <> 0) Jim -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brad Marks Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2012 12:48 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: [AccessD] Need to Suppress Subtotals that are Equal to zero (andNot Create Excess White Space on the Report) All, I have an existing report that summarizes Sales Orders. For each Part on each Sales Order, there is a line that shows the number of parts manufactured and the number of parts shipped. This is working nicely. This report also has a subtotal on the number of parts. In 99% of the cases, this subtotal will be 0, as the number of parts that are manufactured *should* be the same as the number of parts shipped. This subtotal is working nicely also. Recently, there has been a request to create a variation of this report that does not show details, but ONLY shows subtotals that are not zero. This will save time for our users as they will not need to wade through many pages of the existing report looking for subtotals that are not zero. I have set up a new report that only shows subtotals. In the Subtotal Footer "On Print" event, I have coded "Cancel = True" if the subtotal amount is zero. This works, but there are now blank lines on the report for all subtotals that are zero. I have set the Subtotal Footer and the two fields in the footer to "Can Shrink = YES" I am trying to figure out how to prevent the white space from being generated for subtotals that are being suppressed. Thanks, Brad -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jimdettman at verizon.net Wed Sep 19 06:54:18 2012 From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2012 07:54:18 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] The List In-Reply-To: <001401cd9620$d920ae90$8b620bb0$@winhaven.net> References: <201209181753.q8IHrnbS029204@databaseadvisors.com><6F0FEDE9-D87D-4738-8E9F-CDDF7C045A14@phulse.com> <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B525019D17@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com> <001401cd9620$d920ae90$8b620bb0$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: <459613C6EBD94EF98FB060604357F400@XPS> <> Does anyone know how to do that? I don't. I can think of several questions on EE that involved classes that I would have loved to point to here, but how do you link to a specific list post? Jim. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2012 12:40 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] The List Maybe what you all should do is post a link to AccessD as the solution to all of those questions ;-) Funny how everyone can talk about the others here. Do you do the same there? -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From ssharkins at gmail.com Wed Sep 19 07:17:17 2012 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2012 08:17:17 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] OT: But very cool... References: <1348040764.669546621@f325.mail.ru> Message-ID: <1BEEDC5E13ED42B08A6A0DE9A500AC97@SusanHarkins> Kind of looks like an infestation to me. :( Susan H. > Hi Gustav & Darryl, > > Yes, it's very cool. > > It's interesting to "Zoom-out" the map to see the most "airplanes crowded" > areas - West Europe is impressive... > (Of course not all flights have their flight info presented on the map - > http://www.flightradar24.com/how-it-works )... > > And I have got FlightRadar24 WinPhone native app installed :) > > Thank you. > From carbonnb at gmail.com Wed Sep 19 07:39:46 2012 From: carbonnb at gmail.com (Bryan Carbonnell) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2012 08:39:46 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] OT: But very cool... In-Reply-To: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B525019EE6@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com> References: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B525019EE6@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com> Message-ID: Thanks a lot Darryl. I've now just wasted about 1/2 hour looking at this. Nice start to the morning :) Bryan On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 12:45 AM, Darryl Collins wrote: > This site is rather amazing. Click on the plane and it gives you a whole lot more tech specs. This is live info as well. Very slick. I was impressed - maybe it will be of use to you as well. > > http://www.heraldsun.com.au/travel/news/real-time-map-shows-every-plane-in-the-air-now/story-fn32891l-1226476960352 > or the actual site > > > > Cheers > Darryl. > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "What a great ride!" From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Wed Sep 19 10:09:20 2012 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2012 11:09:20 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] OT: But very cool... In-Reply-To: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B525019EE6@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com> References: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B525019EE6@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com> Message-ID: <5059E020.7030509@colbyconsulting.com> Zoom way out and look at the big picture. Africa, Asia and South America almost empty. Speaks volumes about where the money is, and inversely where the poverty is. John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it On 9/19/2012 12:45 AM, Darryl Collins wrote: > This site is rather amazing. Click on the plane and it gives you a whole lot more tech specs. This is live info as well. Very slick. I was impressed - maybe it will be of use to you as well. > > http://www.heraldsun.com.au/travel/news/real-time-map-shows-every-plane-in-the-air-now/story-fn32891l-1226476960352 > or the actual site > > > > Cheers > Darryl. > From accessd at shaw.ca Wed Sep 19 10:13:10 2012 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2012 08:13:10 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] OT: But very cool... In-Reply-To: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B525019EE6@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com> References: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B525019EE6@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com> Message-ID: <828F4394D8464C428A6B0445CDB0ABC7@creativesystemdesigns.com> Hi Darryl: A really neat site... very impressive technologies have they created and assembled? They definitely use Google maps along with a mashup of a good dozen scripts from various third-party. The usual JQuery and Weather broadcaster, timesyncing, airflight net etc. A beautiful job. Jim -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darryl Collins Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2012 9:45 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving(accessd at databaseadvisors.com); MicrosoftExcel Developers List (EXCEL-L at PEACH.EASE.LSOFT.COM) Subject: [AccessD] OT: But very cool... This site is rather amazing. Click on the plane and it gives you a whole lot more tech specs. This is live info as well. Very slick. I was impressed - maybe it will be of use to you as well. http://www.heraldsun.com.au/travel/news/real-time-map-shows-every-plane-in-t he-air-now/story-fn32891l-1226476960352 or the actual site > Cheers Darryl. -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From kismert at gmail.com Wed Sep 19 10:14:46 2012 From: kismert at gmail.com (Kenneth Ismert) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2012 10:14:46 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] The list Message-ID: > John W. Colby: > ...However to approach it with "you guys need to do > something" won't work... > Right now, I am at the 'you guys (the board) need to acknowledge that the ship is sinking' stage. I know my approach is abrasive, but I haven't found any other way to elicit any kind of discussion on this topic. It's frustrating to have some astute individual say 'the list is not serving its purpose', and have the first response be 'adios, see ya.' ...Believe it or not I am attempting to encourage you to > take charge. I have worked on several projects for the > group and it absolutely is possible to implement change... > What I will do is join an appropriate email list to see if we can achieve some consensus that there is a problem. Which one do you recommend? Jim Lawrence: > Are you just an arm-chair critic? > Certainly not. Couch. -Ken From charlotte.foust at gmail.com Wed Sep 19 10:41:06 2012 From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2012 08:41:06 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] The List In-Reply-To: <459613C6EBD94EF98FB060604357F400@XPS> References: <201209181753.q8IHrnbS029204@databaseadvisors.com> <6F0FEDE9-D87D-4738-8E9F-CDDF7C045A14@phulse.com> <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B525019D17@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com> <001401cd9620$d920ae90$8b620bb0$@winhaven.net> <459613C6EBD94EF98FB060604357F400@XPS> Message-ID: One of the deficiencies of the list format. I can't even successfully search the archives for things I know are there! Charlotte On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 4:54 AM, Jim Dettman wrote: > < all of those questions ;-)>> > > Does anyone know how to do that? I don't. > > I can think of several questions on EE that involved classes that I would > have loved to point to here, but how do you link to a specific list post? > > Jim. > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow > Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2012 12:40 AM > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > Subject: Re: [AccessD] The List > > Maybe what you all should do is post a link to AccessD as the solution to > all of those questions ;-) > > Funny how everyone can talk about the others here. Do you do the same > there? > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > From charlotte.foust at gmail.com Wed Sep 19 10:43:11 2012 From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2012 08:43:11 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Need to Suppress Subtotals that are Equal to zero(andNot Create Excess White Space on the Report) In-Reply-To: <1AB322A97BAE43C7AD65484CF742CFE1@XPS> References: <201209181808.q8II7whH006385@databaseadvisors.com> <1AB322A97BAE43C7AD65484CF742CFE1@XPS> Message-ID: I agree, Jim. OnPage is full of surprises, and it doesn't happen at the right time, just as OnPrint is too late for anything but drawing lines. Charlotte On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 4:50 AM, Jim Dettman wrote: > > Got to be careful with OnPage though. I've found that doing anything > other > then adding to what's already there (like drawing a border) doesn't work > well if at all. > > For hiding things, much better to handle things in the OnFormat event > before it even gets placed on the page. > > Jim. > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence > Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2012 06:00 PM > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Need to Suppress Subtotals that are Equal to > zero(andNot Create Excess White Space on the Report) > > Hi Brad : > > If you haven't done so look report Events section. Check out "On Page" > event. This where I would put the code to check for a zero balance and turn > off the field altogether. You might check into adding different groups and > put the balance display within one of these group...if a balance is zero > turn off the group display. > > Something like: > > Me.BalanceFooterSection.Visible = (Me.Balance <> 0) > > Jim > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brad Marks > Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2012 12:48 PM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: [AccessD] Need to Suppress Subtotals that are Equal to zero > (andNot > Create Excess White Space on the Report) > > All, > > I have an existing report that summarizes Sales Orders. For each Part > on each Sales Order, there is a line that shows the number of parts > manufactured and the number of parts shipped. This is working nicely. > > This report also has a subtotal on the number of parts. In 99% of the > cases, this subtotal will be 0, as the number of parts that are > manufactured *should* be the same as the number of parts shipped. This > subtotal is working nicely also. > > Recently, there has been a request to create a variation of this report > that does not show details, but ONLY shows subtotals that are not zero. > This will save time for our users as they will not need to wade through > many pages of the existing report looking for subtotals that are not > zero. > > I have set up a new report that only shows subtotals. In the Subtotal > Footer "On Print" event, I have coded "Cancel = True" if the subtotal > amount is zero. > > This works, but there are now blank lines on the report for all > subtotals that are zero. > > I have set the Subtotal Footer and the two fields in the footer to "Can > Shrink = YES" > > I am trying to figure out how to prevent the white space from being > generated for subtotals that are being suppressed. > > Thanks, > Brad > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > From accessd at shaw.ca Wed Sep 19 11:35:43 2012 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2012 09:35:43 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] HTML5 mobile-friendly web sites vs. native mobile apps - Was:Re: Bootcamp or Paralells - was RE: OT: iPhone/iPaddevelopment on an MS Windows PC - noway? In-Reply-To: <1348036594.703563362@f76.mail.ru> References: <1347636826.783194936@f100.mail.ru>, <1347992765.555532672@f243.mail.ru><8FB98D6F092C4486B41D464B1E7B2148@creativesystemdesigns.com> <1348036594.703563362@f76.mail.ru> Message-ID: <5668E7D3A9004E27AB83AC82223E6D6B@creativesystemdesigns.com> Hi Shamil: Just some clarification here first: Apple is not a software company, it is a hardware company. Even the core to Apple PCs are borrowed from OpenBSD (OSS Unix/Linux) software...it is more like any other Linux distro. You are right that fixed dictated standards are restricting but the phrase is OPEN standards. These are not hard and fast but they are agreements within the entire industry. Just like electricity coming to your house. If every supplier put their own standard on the delivery, cycles, power-levels etc, no one would be able to trust the functionality of their equipment. Right now there are four major electric standards in the world, each has different set of plugs but there are universal transformers so I know my laptop will work whether I am in Canada/US, in Europe/Russia, Britain (they are weird ;-)) or in Japan/China. The computer industry, by necessity is the same thing. I think in this industry a developer, starting out, has to first have and keep a solid background in the Open Standards products...that for the most cases will be their "bread and butter"...the long-term meal ticket. Then and only then a developer should specialize...realizing of course that all proprietary languages on custom platforms have a relative short lifespan and the technology could get dumped at a moments notice. Case in point: I know more dead-languages than live ones. I used to be a SCO senior product re-seller and a CNE (Certified Novell Engineer) but we all know what happened to SCO and Novell when the OSS product, Linux hit the market. Access is not dead but can you imagine where it would be at if it was a OSS product and not being restricted by the whims of the owner. In summary; Open Standards and the associated Open Source products offer greater diversity and opportunities in the long term. Proprietary software may offer fast larger profits but they are short-term...ten years maximum generally less. As long as you balance those facts, what ever development environment you decide on and what level of risk you are most comfortable with will work. Jim -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Salakhetdinov Shamil Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2012 11:37 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] HTML5 mobile-friendly web sites vs. native mobile apps - Was:Re: Bootcamp or Paralells - was RE: OT: iPhone/iPaddevelopment on an MS Windows PC - noway? Hi Jim -- Standardization?is an "enemy" of innovation. (No pun intended). Look at what Apple is doing - they are "breaking" standards "as crazy". (Last news - they are becoming proprietary chip-maker -?http://techcrunch.com/2012/09/18/the-iphone-5s-greatest-inside-story-chipm aking-maturation-for-apple/?) <<< The new young developers are looking for Open standards so in fifty years they will still be working >>> I'd say "open end" standards - common communication interfaces, APIs, ... - open for consumption and extension. But programming languages are a "special story" IMO. More like natural languages, cultures - they tend to "borrow & adapt" each other words/features/habits/cuisines/... but in the same time preserve and develop there own intrinsic?features - or die. <<< " XAML and SilverLight " are the latest of a long list of proprietary coding efforts and are not universally accepted or are not likely to be so. Most browser are not IE and every year the percentage number of IE browser get less.? >>> I meant that XAML and SilverLight are used to develop Windows Phone native applications, as ObjectiveC is used to develop native iPhone/iPad apps and Android Development Kit/Java is used to develop Android native apps. Of course "there is no ?right answer? between native and mobile web applications other than the right answer for a particular application based on its design, functionality and business plan":?http://blog.cloudfour.com/the-five-most-common-arguments-for-native-i phone-development/?... Generalized Recap: I'm voting/looking for the open standards, free competition and this world without confines but I'm also for diversity and I'm not for standardized faceless crowd... Thank you. --Shamil P.S. Free competition does require ?"fair rules" and "fair arbiters" - no illusions here - now and very probably forever... From accessd at shaw.ca Wed Sep 19 11:38:28 2012 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2012 09:38:28 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Need to Suppress Subtotals that are Equal to zero(andNot Create Excess White Space on the Report) In-Reply-To: <1AB322A97BAE43C7AD65484CF742CFE1@XPS> References: <201209181808.q8II7whH006385@databaseadvisors.com> <1AB322A97BAE43C7AD65484CF742CFE1@XPS> Message-ID: <3D13CFE5816F4819B84236A0BE902F5B@creativesystemdesigns.com> Hmmmm, maybe that was the reason I have had some intermittent problems in the past. Thanks for the heads up. Jim -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2012 4:50 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Need to Suppress Subtotals that are Equal to zero(andNot Create Excess White Space on the Report) Got to be careful with OnPage though. I've found that doing anything other then adding to what's already there (like drawing a border) doesn't work well if at all. For hiding things, much better to handle things in the OnFormat event before it even gets placed on the page. Jim. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2012 06:00 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Need to Suppress Subtotals that are Equal to zero(andNot Create Excess White Space on the Report) Hi Brad : If you haven't done so look report Events section. Check out "On Page" event. This where I would put the code to check for a zero balance and turn off the field altogether. You might check into adding different groups and put the balance display within one of these group...if a balance is zero turn off the group display. Something like: Me.BalanceFooterSection.Visible = (Me.Balance <> 0) Jim -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brad Marks Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2012 12:48 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: [AccessD] Need to Suppress Subtotals that are Equal to zero (andNot Create Excess White Space on the Report) All, I have an existing report that summarizes Sales Orders. For each Part on each Sales Order, there is a line that shows the number of parts manufactured and the number of parts shipped. This is working nicely. This report also has a subtotal on the number of parts. In 99% of the cases, this subtotal will be 0, as the number of parts that are manufactured *should* be the same as the number of parts shipped. This subtotal is working nicely also. Recently, there has been a request to create a variation of this report that does not show details, but ONLY shows subtotals that are not zero. This will save time for our users as they will not need to wade through many pages of the existing report looking for subtotals that are not zero. I have set up a new report that only shows subtotals. In the Subtotal Footer "On Print" event, I have coded "Cancel = True" if the subtotal amount is zero. This works, but there are now blank lines on the report for all subtotals that are zero. I have set the Subtotal Footer and the two fields in the footer to "Can Shrink = YES" I am trying to figure out how to prevent the white space from being generated for subtotals that are being suppressed. Thanks, Brad -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Wed Sep 19 11:45:37 2012 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2012 09:45:37 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] The List In-Reply-To: <459613C6EBD94EF98FB060604357F400@XPS> References: <201209181753.q8IHrnbS029204@databaseadvisors.com><6F0FEDE9-D87D-4738-8E9F-CDDF7C045A14@phulse.com><56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B525019D17@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com><001401cd9620$d920ae90$8b620bb0$@winhaven.net> <459613C6EBD94EF98FB060604357F400@XPS> Message-ID: Every post in/from the DBA list (except the OT list) is accessible directly...according to Hans but I have not personally confirmed it but would suspect its true. When you are search on another site just drop a link to either to the DBA web site lists or post a direct link to a previously given answer question, on a DBA list. Hans will give you details. ;-) Jim -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2012 4:54 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] The List <> Does anyone know how to do that? I don't. I can think of several questions on EE that involved classes that I would have loved to point to here, but how do you link to a specific list post? Jim. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2012 12:40 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] The List Maybe what you all should do is post a link to AccessD as the solution to all of those questions ;-) Funny how everyone can talk about the others here. Do you do the same there? -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Wed Sep 19 11:55:46 2012 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2012 09:55:46 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] OT: But very cool... In-Reply-To: <5059E020.7030509@colbyconsulting.com> References: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B525019EE6@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com> <5059E020.7030509@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: That airplane list may not be complete. The displayed info is only pulled from a few of the larger airport tracking sites. Standards and technology may not be the same on all continents hence it may not be on the list for those reasons as well. Jim PS Just noticed, looking at it again, that most flights, in the world are delayed. Which confirms my theory. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2012 8:09 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: But very cool... Zoom way out and look at the big picture. Africa, Asia and South America almost empty. Speaks volumes about where the money is, and inversely where the poverty is. John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it On 9/19/2012 12:45 AM, Darryl Collins wrote: > This site is rather amazing. Click on the plane and it gives you a whole lot more tech specs. This is live info as well. Very slick. I was impressed - maybe it will be of use to you as well. > > http://www.heraldsun.com.au/travel/news/real-time-map-shows-every-plane-in-t he-air-now/story-fn32891l-1226476960352 > or the actual site > > > > Cheers > Darryl. > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Wed Sep 19 12:26:52 2012 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2012 10:26:52 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] The list In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <90058A7A839F475EB9A09F5D82B6B7B9@creativesystemdesigns.com> Kenneth: These lists is not a private list. No company or special interest group owns the DBA lists. In realistic terms "you" own these lists. What you do or do not see here is your responsibility. The DBA will give you back what ever you put in to them. You are just as responsible as anyone here. This is not someone else's site this is your site. If you don't like what you see, make suggestions, get an agreement (which is not difficult) and then roll up you selves and get to work. If you think your porch needs painting you don't complain to the neighbour, you just do it. In reality, the sky is the limit with the new technology and there are virtually no restrictions and here is a great place to hone your skills but it all depends on YOU. Jim PS I built the website twice, Kathryn built it first (it needs a serious facelift), Bryan built the messaging system, we all enjoy and numerous others provided expertise, content and community. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kenneth Ismert Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2012 8:15 AM To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [AccessD] The list > John W. Colby: > ...However to approach it with "you guys need to do > something" won't work... > Right now, I am at the 'you guys (the board) need to acknowledge that the ship is sinking' stage. I know my approach is abrasive, but I haven't found any other way to elicit any kind of discussion on this topic. It's frustrating to have some astute individual say 'the list is not serving its purpose', and have the first response be 'adios, see ya.' ...Believe it or not I am attempting to encourage you to > take charge. I have worked on several projects for the > group and it absolutely is possible to implement change... > What I will do is join an appropriate email list to see if we can achieve some consensus that there is a problem. Which one do you recommend? Jim Lawrence: > Are you just an arm-chair critic? > Certainly not. Couch. -Ken -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From TSeptav at Uniserve.com Wed Sep 19 13:25:23 2012 From: TSeptav at Uniserve.com (Tony Septav) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2012 13:25:23 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] The List Message-ID: <201209191825.q8JIPTMm002448@databaseadvisors.com> Hey All Lets stop all the this crap. I am so ashamed of this community ( I do not consider it a list or forum) beating themselves up. Lets keep the chatter (someday I will give you guys my famous recipe for BQ sauce) but why not share with us. It does not have to be a daily thing. We know Access is going down the tubes. Why not give us your views on new technologies that you have been working with (the pros and cons) so that we may make a change in our lives as to what our new approach should be. Colby (you bastard) do your book on classes and post it so we all kind see. Feel free to provide us with information and directions so many of us can continue on and make our own conclusions. As we are already aware with this community everyone will participate and critique your instalments (sometimes with hurt egos) but hey that is the only way we can learn. Susan write more and ask the list ask for advice, Martin give us some of your input, I could go on and on with all the other individuals in this community. In the past I offered up demos MDB on different topics, let us see that again without being afraid of being shot down. Myself I so do want to learn and I think many of the others in this community do so also. I will still ignore some the weird stuff like "How do install the new XCV32 Virtual engine with the JKd Code", but tell us. My last 2 cents worth and no more on this topic. Tony Septav Nanaimo, BC Canada From garykjos at gmail.com Wed Sep 19 13:45:22 2012 From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2012 13:45:22 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] The List In-Reply-To: <201209191825.q8JIPTMm002448@databaseadvisors.com> References: <201209191825.q8JIPTMm002448@databaseadvisors.com> Message-ID: The DBA_OT list always welcomes new members. NOTHING is off topic there. We have technical discussions, often including Access discussions in addition to political rants, jokes and sharing personal triumphs and tragedies. We are a pretty close nit family there. Sometimes it probably feels like our OT family is as close or closer to us than our real blood relation families. Come and join us and you can be part of it too. http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-ot GK On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 1:25 PM, Tony Septav wrote: > Hey All > > Lets stop all the this crap. I am so ashamed of this community ( I do not > consider it a list or forum) beating themselves up. Lets keep the chatter > (someday I will give you guys my famous recipe for BQ sauce) but why not > share with us. It does not have to be a daily thing. We know Access is > going > down the tubes. Why not give us your views on new technologies that you > have been working with (the pros and cons) so that we may make a change in > our lives as to what our new approach should be. Colby (you bastard) do > your > book on classes and post it so we all kind see. Feel free to provide us > with information and directions so many of us can continue on and make our > own conclusions. As we are already aware with this community everyone will > participate and critique your instalments (sometimes with hurt egos) but > hey > that is the only way we can learn. Susan write more and ask the list ask > for advice, Martin give us some of your input, I could go on and on with > all > the other individuals in this community. In the past I offered up demos MDB > on different topics, let us see that again without being afraid of being > shot down. Myself I so do want to learn and I think many of the others in > this community do so also. I will still ignore some the weird stuff like > "How do install the new XCV32 Virtual engine with the JKd Code", but tell > us. > > > > My last 2 cents worth and no more on this topic. > > > > Tony Septav > > Nanaimo, BC > > Canada > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Gary Kjos garykjos at gmail.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Wed Sep 19 13:56:59 2012 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2012 11:56:59 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] The List In-Reply-To: References: <201209191825.q8JIPTMm002448@databaseadvisors.com> Message-ID: <9CC1804E97D7449ABD23230DA3243AFC@HAL9007> Yeah, get on your hip boots and asbestos underwear and come on over. R -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2012 11:45 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] The List The DBA_OT list always welcomes new members. NOTHING is off topic there. We have technical discussions, often including Access discussions in addition to political rants, jokes and sharing personal triumphs and tragedies. We are a pretty close nit family there. Sometimes it probably feels like our OT family is as close or closer to us than our real blood relation families. Come and join us and you can be part of it too. http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-ot GK On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 1:25 PM, Tony Septav wrote: > Hey All > > Lets stop all the this crap. I am so ashamed of this community ( I do > not consider it a list or forum) beating themselves up. Lets keep the > chatter (someday I will give you guys my famous recipe for BQ sauce) > but why not share with us. It does not have to be a daily thing. We > know Access is going down the tubes. Why not give us your views on new > technologies that you have been working with (the pros and cons) so > that we may make a change in our lives as to what our new approach > should be. Colby (you bastard) do your book on classes and post it so > we all kind see. Feel free to provide us with information and > directions so many of us can continue on and make our own conclusions. > As we are already aware with this community everyone will participate > and critique your instalments (sometimes with hurt egos) but hey that > is the only way we can learn. Susan write more and ask the list ask > for advice, Martin give us some of your input, I could go on and on > with all the other individuals in this community. In the past I > offered up demos MDB on different topics, let us see that again > without being afraid of being shot down. Myself I so do want to learn > and I think many of the others in this community do so also. I will > still ignore some the weird stuff like "How do install the new XCV32 > Virtual engine with the JKd Code", but tell us. > > > > My last 2 cents worth and no more on this topic. > > > > Tony Septav > > Nanaimo, BC > > Canada > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Gary Kjos garykjos at gmail.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Wed Sep 19 14:33:33 2012 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2012 15:33:33 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] The list In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <505A1E0D.8080306@colbyconsulting.com> Kenneth, Several things. >It's frustrating to have some astute individual say 'the list is not serving its purpose' I would respond by saying that the list serves it's purpose as well as it ever has. Anyone who wants quality assistance with Access, and is willing to sign up for an email list to get it can get that assistance here. I guess my problem with this is that I don't request (Access) assistance much any more, so I really don't monitor how well we answer questions. Is the issue that questions do not get answered or that nobody requests assistance? One aspect of the list that has been maintained better than most lists out there is the "family" aspect. OTOH for those who don't like that, and we have had a few, that is obviously a negative rather than a plus. >and have the first response be 'adios, see ya.' I find it enlightening that when the dust settled the individual that started this thread had decided that perhaps he liked the list despite the perceived shortcomings. > Right now, I am at the 'you guys (the board) need to acknowledge that the ship is sinking' stage. I hear you. The last time I checked I was a board member. I acknowledge that the ship is slowly sinking. We have turned into a good ol' boys club. Truth be known I am old. We don't get a lot of new members, though I can't really quote membership numbers. And a lot of traffic is certainly off topic though I am not unhappy about that since most of the time it is still mostly useful. > What I will do is join an appropriate email list to see if we can achieve some consensus that there is a problem. Which one do you recommend? For the purpose of trying to right the ship I don't get that any list is better than any other. We have a bunch of lists, but joining another list to do this is probably not going to help. I think if you truly care about this then you should just come to the list with a well thought out plan. Open a discussion on how to get more members. Can we agree that is the crux of the matter? Discuss how to improve our web site to make it more attractive, draw more traffic. Discuss any technology which you believe will rescue the list. Perhaps we should have a discussion about whether the list is even relevant any more, whether attempting to rescue it is even something worth doing. I truly do not know whether you were around when we started the company and acquired the list but the basics of the story is that AccessD was started and being run by some guy out of Texas (IIRC) who wanted Access support for himself. Any old timers with better memories are welcome to jump in here. This was in the mid 90s. He set up the email server on servers where he worked and he personally ran them, maintained order etc. He *was* the list infrastructure. One day the list went down. Not the first time IIRC. Basically he was having a bad day, was pissed off and there was some kind of cat fight going on and he just pulled the plug. He decided he was tired of doing it. We had a handful of people (including myself) who emailed each other and decided to ask this guy whether we could get the email addresses and resurrect the list and run it ourselves. He agreed and gave us the list of emails. We all chipped in whatever we could afford and created a corporation, issued shares (for the donations), created a board etc. The resurrected AccessD was born. The point however is not history but they why. Back in 97ish time frame the old AccessD was one of two such places you could go to get help. There was no internet in the sense we have it today. For example I was in Mexico at the time dialing in to the internet over a modem. Cable internet certainly existed but was far from ubiquitous. AccessD provided a near critical lifeline for our members who were mostly developers trying to learn, develop in and support Microsoft Access 95 / 97. The world and the internet has changed massively since then. Perhaps AccessD really isn't all that important any more. There are literally dozens or even hundreds of support sites, Google can tell you anything you want to know, we can stream videos and source code at lightning speed. Our very reason for existing has mostly vanished. That's a good thing, not a bad thing. Sooo... I am not advocating just sinking into the sunset, but I am saying that we should take a hard look at the big picture and decide unemotionally what we want to be and how realistic it is that we can be that thing. Your turn Kenneth. I am listening and I think the rest of the list is as well. John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it On 9/19/2012 11:14 AM, Kenneth Ismert wrote: >> John W. Colby: >> ...However to approach it with "you guys need to do >> something" won't work... >> > > Right now, I am at the 'you guys (the board) need to acknowledge that the > ship is sinking' stage. I know my approach is abrasive, but I haven't found > any other way to elicit any kind of discussion on this topic. It's > frustrating to have some astute individual say 'the list is not serving its > purpose', and have the first response be 'adios, see ya.' > > ...Believe it or not I am attempting to encourage you to >> take charge. I have worked on several projects for the >> group and it absolutely is possible to implement change... >> > > What I will do is join an appropriate email list to see if we can achieve > some consensus that there is a problem. Which one do you recommend? > > Jim Lawrence: >> Are you just an arm-chair critic? >> > > Certainly not. Couch. > > -Ken > From john at winhaven.net Wed Sep 19 14:44:29 2012 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2012 14:44:29 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] The List In-Reply-To: References: <201209191825.q8JIPTMm002448@databaseadvisors.com> Message-ID: <011601cd969f$2f7e1150$8e7a33f0$@winhaven.net> Yes, the OT list. The main technical difference between that list and the others is that we don't archive anything on that list. If everyone would (please) subscribe to OT for off topic conversations, then the archives would be smaller and the searching might work better. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2012 1:45 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] The List The DBA_OT list always welcomes new members. NOTHING is off topic there. We have technical discussions, often including Access discussions in addition to political rants, jokes and sharing personal triumphs and tragedies. We are a pretty close nit family there. Sometimes it probably feels like our OT family is as close or closer to us than our real blood relation families. Come and join us and you can be part of it too. http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-ot GK From tinanfields at torchlake.com Wed Sep 19 14:46:15 2012 From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2012 15:46:15 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] OT: But very cool... In-Reply-To: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B525019EE6@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com> References: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B525019EE6@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com> Message-ID: <505A2107.3030308@torchlake.com> Darryl, I have wanted to find this forever! Thanks so much! Of course, I couldn't just look at it, I had to follow a flight in its path and see where it went. I spend an hour or so just enjoying it. T Tina Norris Fields tinanfields at torchlake.com 231-322-2787 On 9/19/2012 12:45 AM, Darryl Collins wrote: > This site is rather amazing. Click on the plane and it gives you a whole lot more tech specs. This is live info as well. Very slick. I was impressed - maybe it will be of use to you as well. > > http://www.heraldsun.com.au/travel/news/real-time-map-shows-every-plane-in-the-air-now/story-fn32891l-1226476960352 > or the actual site > > > > Cheers > Darryl. From rls at WeBeDb.com Wed Sep 19 14:54:50 2012 From: rls at WeBeDb.com (Robert Stewart) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2012 14:54:50 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] HTML5 mobile-friendly web sites vs. native In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <11A1C8E2-DA85-4F1B-8C9D-902CAB611099@holly.arvixe.com> Jim, I have made my living doing MS based applications for the last 20 years or so. Before that, I was in a totally different career, wholesale agriculture. I will not do OPEN source stuff. I know of no large corporations that are using it. I do not see job openings for PostgreSql developers for example. So, I will stick with MS based technologies. I am pissed about Silverlight because they finally got web development right with it. I really did not care if it ran under a Mac or an iPad or not. They could go a buy a real computer if they wanted to use a site I built. And, I still feel that way about it. ASP.net is a kludge. It is like developing with a hammer and chisel. I guess that I am stubborn. But then again, I can be. I work at a full time job as a DBA. I teach MS development at a local user group once a month, www.dbguidesign.com. I refuse to use Javascript. HTML is ok if you have to use ASP.net. If browsers actually supported HTML5, that might be even better. For those of you that are interested, we do a GoToMeeting each month for the meeting also. If you want to be emailed about it, let me know and I will add you to the group email list. I love WPF. I think of it as MS Access on steroids. You can do so much with it. And if you look at it like that, you can go far with it. One of the guys that attends the group I teach has even built a code generator that will build the screens and code behind for you based on pointing his generator to a table in a database. When you dig into it. It is extremely powerful and can be made very user friendly to the end user. After the first of the year, I am going to start a series on Win 8 development. And there are a lot of "standards" to be followed there. And, finally as a comparison of "open standards" products, would you run your business with Open Office? It is pretty much a joke for serious work. Would you compare it's database product to MS Access and develop in it? I don't think so. At 01:57 PM 9/19/2012, you wrote: >Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2012 09:35:43 -0700 >From: "Jim Lawrence" >To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" > >Subject: Re: [AccessD] HTML5 mobile-friendly web sites vs. native > mobile apps - Was:Re: Bootcamp or Paralells - was RE: OT: > iPhone/iPaddevelopment on an MS Windows PC - noway? >Message-ID: > <5668E7D3A9004E27AB83AC82223E6D6B at creativesystemdesigns.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > >Hi Shamil: > >Just some clarification here first: Apple is not a software company, it is a >hardware company. Even the core to Apple PCs are borrowed from OpenBSD (OSS >Unix/Linux) software...it is more like any other Linux distro. > >You are right that fixed dictated standards are restricting but the phrase >is OPEN standards. These are not hard and fast but they are agreements >within the entire industry. > >Just like electricity coming to your house. If every supplier put their own >standard on the delivery, cycles, power-levels etc, no one would be able to >trust the functionality of their equipment. Right now there are four major >electric standards in the world, each has different set of plugs but there >are universal transformers so I know my laptop will work whether I am in >Canada/US, in Europe/Russia, Britain (they are weird ;-)) or in Japan/China. > >The computer industry, by necessity is the same thing. > >I think in this industry a developer, starting out, has to first have and >keep a solid background in the Open Standards products...that for the most >cases will be their "bread and butter"...the long-term meal ticket. Then and >only then a developer should specialize...realizing of course that all >proprietary languages on custom platforms have a relative short lifespan and >the technology could get dumped at a moments notice. > >Case in point: I know more dead-languages than live ones. I used to be a SCO >senior product re-seller and a CNE (Certified Novell Engineer) but we all >know what happened to SCO and Novell when the OSS product, Linux hit the >market. Access is not dead but can you imagine where it would be at if it >was a OSS product and not being restricted by the whims of the owner. > >In summary; Open Standards and the associated Open Source products offer >greater diversity and opportunities in the long term. Proprietary software >may offer fast larger profits but they are short-term...ten years maximum >generally less. As long as you balance those facts, what ever development >environment you decide on and what level of risk you are most comfortable >with will work. > >Jim Robert L. Stewart Any fool can write code that a computer can understand. Good programmers write code that humans can understand. --Martin Fowler www.WeBeDb.com www.DBGUIDesign.com www.RLStewartPhotography.com From df.waters at comcast.net Wed Sep 19 15:07:17 2012 From: df.waters at comcast.net (Dan Waters) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2012 15:07:17 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] WPF Development (was: HTML5 mobile-friendly web sites vs. native) Message-ID: <003d01cd96a2$5ed2e400$1c78ac00$@comcast.net> Hi Robert, I have just started developing with WinForms / LinQ to SQL / SQL Server. I bought a book and read about WPF and it seemed like the wrong mechanism for straightforward internal business applications. Would you agree/disagree? How did you go about learning WPF? Thanks! Dan -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Robert Stewart Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2012 2:55 PM To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [AccessD] HTML5 mobile-friendly web sites vs. native Jim, I have made my living doing MS based applications for the last 20 years or so. Before that, I was in a totally different career, wholesale agriculture. I will not do OPEN source stuff. I know of no large corporations that are using it. I do not see job openings for PostgreSql developers for example. So, I will stick with MS based technologies. I am pissed about Silverlight because they finally got web development right with it. I really did not care if it ran under a Mac or an iPad or not. They could go a buy a real computer if they wanted to use a site I built. And, I still feel that way about it. ASP.net is a kludge. It is like developing with a hammer and chisel. I guess that I am stubborn. But then again, I can be. I work at a full time job as a DBA. I teach MS development at a local user group once a month, www.dbguidesign.com. I refuse to use Javascript. HTML is ok if you have to use ASP.net. If browsers actually supported HTML5, that might be even better. For those of you that are interested, we do a GoToMeeting each month for the meeting also. If you want to be emailed about it, let me know and I will add you to the group email list. I love WPF. I think of it as MS Access on steroids. You can do so much with it. And if you look at it like that, you can go far with it. One of the guys that attends the group I teach has even built a code generator that will build the screens and code behind for you based on pointing his generator to a table in a database. When you dig into it. It is extremely powerful and can be made very user friendly to the end user. After the first of the year, I am going to start a series on Win 8 development. And there are a lot of "standards" to be followed there. And, finally as a comparison of "open standards" products, would you run your business with Open Office? It is pretty much a joke for serious work. Would you compare it's database product to MS Access and develop in it? I don't think so. At 01:57 PM 9/19/2012, you wrote: >Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2012 09:35:43 -0700 >From: "Jim Lawrence" >To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" > >Subject: Re: [AccessD] HTML5 mobile-friendly web sites vs. native > mobile apps - Was:Re: Bootcamp or Paralells - was RE: OT: > iPhone/iPaddevelopment on an MS Windows PC - noway? >Message-ID: > <5668E7D3A9004E27AB83AC82223E6D6B at creativesystemdesigns.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > >Hi Shamil: > >Just some clarification here first: Apple is not a software company, it >is a hardware company. Even the core to Apple PCs are borrowed from >OpenBSD (OSS >Unix/Linux) software...it is more like any other Linux distro. > >You are right that fixed dictated standards are restricting but the >phrase is OPEN standards. These are not hard and fast but they are >agreements within the entire industry. > >Just like electricity coming to your house. If every supplier put their >own standard on the delivery, cycles, power-levels etc, no one would be >able to trust the functionality of their equipment. Right now there are >four major electric standards in the world, each has different set of >plugs but there are universal transformers so I know my laptop will >work whether I am in Canada/US, in Europe/Russia, Britain (they are weird ;-)) or in Japan/China. > >The computer industry, by necessity is the same thing. > >I think in this industry a developer, starting out, has to first have >and keep a solid background in the Open Standards products...that for >the most cases will be their "bread and butter"...the long-term meal >ticket. Then and only then a developer should specialize...realizing of >course that all proprietary languages on custom platforms have a >relative short lifespan and the technology could get dumped at a moments notice. > >Case in point: I know more dead-languages than live ones. I used to be >a SCO senior product re-seller and a CNE (Certified Novell Engineer) >but we all know what happened to SCO and Novell when the OSS product, >Linux hit the market. Access is not dead but can you imagine where it >would be at if it was a OSS product and not being restricted by the whims of the owner. > >In summary; Open Standards and the associated Open Source products >offer greater diversity and opportunities in the long term. Proprietary >software may offer fast larger profits but they are short-term...ten >years maximum generally less. As long as you balance those facts, what >ever development environment you decide on and what level of risk you >are most comfortable with will work. > >Jim Robert L. Stewart Any fool can write code that a computer can understand. Good programmers write code that humans can understand. --Martin Fowler www.WeBeDb.com www.DBGUIDesign.com www.RLStewartPhotography.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From steve at goodhall.info Wed Sep 19 15:13:43 2012 From: steve at goodhall.info (Steve Goodhall) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2012 16:13:43 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] HTML5 mobile-friendly web sites vs. native In-Reply-To: <11A1C8E2-DA85-4F1B-8C9D-902CAB611099@holly.arvixe.com> References: <11A1C8E2-DA85-4F1B-8C9D-902CAB611099@holly.arvixe.com> Message-ID: <5c00e37b-7951-4f56-b682-be83d886390e@blur> GM is no longer the largest company in the world, but it is kind of big. It also does a lot of open source including Apache, Struts, etc. No PostgreSql, but some MySQL. Steve Goodhall, MSCS, PMP -----Original message----- From: Robert Stewart To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com Sent: Wed, Sep 19, 2012 19:56:46 GMT+00:00 Subject: Re: [AccessD] HTML5 mobile-friendly web sites vs. native Jim, I have made my living doing MS based applications for the last 20 years or so. Before that, I was in a totally different career, wholesale agriculture. I will not do OPEN source stuff. I know of no large corporations that are using it. I do not see job openings for PostgreSql developers for example. So, I will stick with MS based technologies. I am pissed about Silverlight because they finally got web development right with it. I really did not care if it ran under a Mac or an iPad or not. They could go a buy a real computer if they wanted to use a site I built. And, I still feel that way about it. ASP.net is a kludge. It is like developing with a hammer and chisel. I guess that I am stubborn. But then again, I can be. I work at a full time job as a DBA. I teach MS development at a local user group once a month, www.dbguidesign.com. I refuse to use Javascript. HTML is ok if you have to use ASP.net. If browsers actually supported HTML5, that might be even better. For those of you that are interested, we do a GoToMeeting each month for the meeting also. If you want to be emailed about it, let me know and I will add you to the group email list. I love WPF. I think of it as MS Access on steroids. You can do so much with it. And if you look at it like that, you can go far with it. One of the guys that attends the group I teach has even built a code generator that will build the screens and code behind for you based on pointing his generator to a table in a database. When you dig into it. It is extremely powerful and can be made very user friendly to the end user. After the first of the year, I am going to start a series on Win 8 development. And there are a lot of "standards" to be followed there. And, finally as a comparison of "open standards" products, would you run your business with Open Office? It is pretty much a joke for serious work. Would you compare it's database product to MS Access and develop in it? I don't think so. At 01:57 PM 9/19/2012, you wrote: >Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2012 09:35:43 -0700 >From: "Jim Lawrence" >To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" > >Subject: Re: [AccessD] HTML5 mobile-friendly web sites vs. native > mobile apps - Was:Re: Bootcamp or Paralells - was RE: OT: > iPhone/iPaddevelopment on an MS Windows PC - noway? >Message-ID: > <5668E7D3A9004E27AB83AC82223E6D6B at creativesystemdesigns.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > >Hi Shamil: > >Just some clarification here first: Apple is not a software company, it is a >hardware company. Even the core to Apple PCs are borrowed from OpenBSD (OSS >Unix/Linux) software...it is more like any other Linux distro. > >You are right that fixed dictated standards are restricting but the phrase >is OPEN standards. These are not hard and fast but they are agreements >within the entire industry. > >Just like electricity coming to your house. If every supplier put their own >standard on the delivery, cycles, power-levels etc, no one would be able to >trust the functionality of their equipment. Right now there are four major >electric standards in the world, each has different set of plugs but there >are universal transformers so I know my laptop will work whether I am in >Canada/US, in Europe/Russia, Britain (they are weird ;-)) or in Japan/China. > >The computer industry, by necessity is the same thing. > >I think in this industry a developer, starting out, has to first have and >keep a solid background in the Open Standards products...that for the most >cases will be their "bread and butter"...the long-term meal ticket. Then and >only then a developer should specialize...realizing of course that all >proprietary languages on custom platforms have a relative short lifespan and >the technology could get dumped at a moments notice. > >Case in point: I know more dead-languages than live ones. I used to be a SCO >senior product re-seller and a CNE (Certified Novell Engineer) but we all >know what happened to SCO and Novell when the OSS product, Linux hit the >market. Access is not dead but can you imagine where it would be at if it >was a OSS product and not being restricted by the whims of the owner. > >In summary; Open Standards and the associated Open Source products offer >greater diversity and opportunities in the long term. Proprietary software >may offer fast larger profits but they are short-term...ten years maximum >generally less. As long as you balance those facts, what ever development >environment you decide on and what level of risk you are most comfortable >with will work. > >Jim Robert L. Stewart Any fool can write code that a computer can understand. Good programmers write code that humans can understand. --Martin Fowler www.WeBeDb.com www.DBGUIDesign.com www.RLStewartPhotography.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk Wed Sep 19 15:16:36 2012 From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2012 21:16:36 +0100 Subject: [AccessD] List Message-ID: <631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB082958E50572C90@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk> Well I no longer work with access its all SharePoint and associated technologies now. Is there a need for an access list? For me not really but for many people I think there is still value in a group like this. I don't post much anymore even to ot but I read and stay up to date with friends. Happy to help with any ideas that are proposed here as its worth the effort to keep the list going. Martin Sent from my Windows Phone From kismert at gmail.com Wed Sep 19 15:19:57 2012 From: kismert at gmail.com (Kenneth Ismert) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2012 15:19:57 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] The list Message-ID: > > Jim Lawrence > ...No company or special interest group owns the DBA lists... > But I see on the DBA site a list of shareholders and mention of a Board of Directors. And DBA is (or was) a corporation. That's old, old content, but surely someone's still holding the tiller. ...If you don't like what you see, make suggestions, get an agreement (which is not difficult) ... > Suggestion made: check. Get an agreement: OK, just who precisely do I talk to, and how? I would imagine most of the active shareholders are following this thread, no? > ...If you think your porch needs painting you don't complain > to the neighbour, you just do it... > I think you mean get consensus that a problem exists, detail the deficiencies, look at the competition, define what we want to do, explore solutions, and see what is feasible to implement based on everyone's abilities and free time? > PS I built the website twice, Kathryn built it first (it needs a > serious facelift), Bryan built the messaging system, we all > enjoy and numerous others provided expertise, content and community. > And I would like to see all that effort go forward in some fashion, not simply wither away. -Ken From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Wed Sep 19 15:56:43 2012 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2012 06:56:43 +1000 Subject: [AccessD] OT: But very cool... In-Reply-To: <5059E020.7030509@colbyconsulting.com> References: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B525019EE6@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>, <5059E020.7030509@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <505A318B.29164.8BF45964@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> The most common passenger aircraft in PNG are Bombardier (Dash and Twin Otter) - neither of which carry ADS-B transmitters. It's a similar situation in a lot of those areas you mention, There are also no ADS-B receiver sites in PNG linked to that system. I can watch Air Niugini Airbuses leaving Australia and disappearing as they cross the Coral Sea. The coverage on the map says more about where ADS-B receivers and FAA stations are and what type of aircraft are in use more than anything else. See http://www.flightradar24.com/how-it-works -- Stuart On 19 Sep 2012 at 11:09, jwcolby wrote: > Zoom way out and look at the big picture. Africa, Asia and South America almost empty. Speaks > volumes about where the money is, and inversely where the poverty is. > > John W. Colby > Colby Consulting > > Reality is what refuses to go away > when you do not believe in it > > On 9/19/2012 12:45 AM, Darryl Collins wrote: > > This site is rather amazing. Click on the plane and it gives you a whole lot more tech specs. This is live info as well. Very slick. I was impressed - maybe it will be of use to you as well. > > > > http://www.heraldsun.com.au/travel/news/real-time-map-shows-every-plane-in-the-air-now/story-fn32891l-1226476960352 > > or the actual site > > > > > > > Cheers > > Darryl. > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Wed Sep 19 16:06:21 2012 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2012 07:06:21 +1000 Subject: [AccessD] OT: But very cool... In-Reply-To: References: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B525019EE6@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>, <5059E020.7030509@colbyconsulting.com>, Message-ID: <505A33CD.7520.8BFD2AC7@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> I hope you just forgot the smilie. For those who missed the point. FAA *data* is delayed (by 5 minutes). ADB-S data is realtime. It tells you nothing about the flight schedule. ;-) -- Stuart On 19 Sep 2012 at 9:55, Jim Lawrence wrote: > That airplane list may not be complete. > > The displayed info is only pulled from a few of the larger airport tracking > sites. Standards and technology may not be the same on all continents hence > it may not be on the list for those reasons as well. > > Jim > > PS Just noticed, looking at it again, that most flights, in the world are > delayed. Which confirms my theory. > From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Wed Sep 19 16:09:27 2012 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2012 07:09:27 +1000 Subject: [AccessD] The List In-Reply-To: <201209191825.q8JIPTMm002448@databaseadvisors.com> References: <201209191825.q8JIPTMm002448@databaseadvisors.com> Message-ID: <505A3487.14931.8C00027F@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> That's what we discuss on the dba-Tech list. If you are only subscribed to this one, it may well seem as though things are dead, but between Accessd/Tech/SQL/VB and OT, there's a lot of hood stuff going on. -- Stuart On 19 Sep 2012 at 13:25, Tony Septav wrote: . Why not give us your views on new technologies that you > have been working with (the pros and cons) so that we may make a change in > our lives as to what our new approach should be. Colby (you bastard) do your > book on classes and post it so we all kind see. Feel free to provide us > with information and directions so many of us can continue on and make our > own conclusions. As we are already aware with this community everyone will > participate and critique your instalments (sometimes with hurt egos) but hey > that is the only way we can learn. Susan write more and ask the list ask > for advice, Martin give us some of your input, I could go on and on with all > the other individuals in this community. In the past I offered up demos MDB > on different topics, let us see that again without being afraid of being > shot down. Myself I so do want to learn and I think many of the others in > this community do so also. I will still ignore some the weird stuff like > "How do install the new XCV32 Virtual engine with the JKd Code", but tell > us. > > > > My last 2 cents worth and no more on this topic. > > > > Tony Septav > > Nanaimo, BC > > Canada > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Wed Sep 19 16:14:31 2012 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2012 07:14:31 +1000 Subject: [AccessD] The List In-Reply-To: <9CC1804E97D7449ABD23230DA3243AFC@HAL9007> References: <201209191825.q8JIPTMm002448@databaseadvisors.com>, , <9CC1804E97D7449ABD23230DA3243AFC@HAL9007> Message-ID: <505A35B7.11102.8C04A553@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> And don't forget you tin hat. (No - not tinfoil hat, stupid - your combat helmet) -- Stuart On 19 Sep 2012 at 11:56, Rocky Smolin wrote: > Yeah, get on your hip boots and asbestos underwear and come on over. > > R > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos > Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2012 11:45 AM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] The List > > The DBA_OT list always welcomes new members. NOTHING is off topic there. We > have technical discussions, often including Access discussions in addition > to political rants, jokes and sharing personal triumphs and tragedies. We > are a pretty close nit family there. Sometimes it probably feels like our OT > family is as close or closer to us than our real blood relation families. > Come and join us and you can be part of it too. > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-ot > > GK > > On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 1:25 PM, Tony Septav wrote: > > > Hey All > > > > Lets stop all the this crap. I am so ashamed of this community ( I do > > not consider it a list or forum) beating themselves up. Lets keep the > > chatter (someday I will give you guys my famous recipe for BQ sauce) > > but why not share with us. It does not have to be a daily thing. We > > know Access is going down the tubes. Why not give us your views on new > > technologies that you have been working with (the pros and cons) so > > that we may make a change in our lives as to what our new approach > > should be. Colby (you bastard) do your book on classes and post it so > > we all kind see. Feel free to provide us with information and > > directions so many of us can continue on and make our own conclusions. > > As we are already aware with this community everyone will participate > > and critique your instalments (sometimes with hurt egos) but hey that > > is the only way we can learn. Susan write more and ask the list ask > > for advice, Martin give us some of your input, I could go on and on > > with all the other individuals in this community. In the past I > > offered up demos MDB on different topics, let us see that again > > without being afraid of being shot down. Myself I so do want to learn > > and I think many of the others in this community do so also. I will > > still ignore some the weird stuff like "How do install the new XCV32 > > Virtual engine with the JKd Code", but tell us. > > > > > > > > My last 2 cents worth and no more on this topic. > > > > > > > > Tony Septav > > > > Nanaimo, BC > > > > Canada > > > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > -- > Gary Kjos > garykjos at gmail.com > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From kathryn at bassett.net Wed Sep 19 16:19:16 2012 From: kathryn at bassett.net (Kathryn Bassett) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2012 14:19:16 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] The list In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > But I see on the DBA site a list of shareholders and mention of a Board of > Directors. And DBA is (or was) a corporation. That's old, old content, but > surely someone's still holding the tiller. I would say that probably half of the shareholders are still active on at least one or more of the lists. http://www.databaseadvisors.com/contacts.asp Of the board, Drew Wutka is deceased. I don't know Reuben's status. The others are all still active on at least one or more of the lists, though I'm not sure how much treasurer Keith has posted in the last few years. This thread has been a very good one, that points out something very important. We DO need to have a membership meeting (we have a membership list called DBA-owners for that) and we need to confirm or re-elect the board. It looks bad to have "as of 2009" on there. President John, how about calling a meeting for that purpose on the membership list? That's the first thing that needs doing, before we even address some of the things brought up in this thread. Is anyone in contact with Keith to make sure he's still doing the annual things that need doing to maintain our corporation? At the membership meeting, we'll need a financial report in any case. For the sake of Kenneth and Tony who are too new to know, and John will correct me if I'm wrong, you can "come" to membership meetings by being on the owners list, you just can't vote unless you are a shareholder (aka owner). By the way, you don't know me, as I very seldom post here. In the beginning I was very much on the receiving end of major help building a major Access DB for keeping track of runners for a 100 mile endurance race. I'm a ham radio operator, and my husband (also a ham) was in charge of the finish line. It's a very long story but when I started on the list I knew nothing about relational databases. With all the help I received, eventually the mdb was able to automatically import the csv info generated from the ham operators into the mdb and make reports that were then uploaded to the internet so that people around the world could see where there running was within about an hour of their last report (subsequently someone wrote a runner tracking program for the radio and integrated my mdb into it and now the data is literally "live"). My current knowledge is still minimal, but I learned enough to make several heavily used mdb's (my book list, a database for my husband's high school class reunions, my trip diary, etc) and I occasionally see a thread I can add two cents to. That massive amount of help by people who were/are pretty expert, without being made to feel like a fool for asking, is what made me become the first webmaster, and a shareholder. -- Kathryn Rhinehart Bassett (Pasadena CA) "Genealogy is my bag" "GH is my soap" kathryn at bassett.net http://bassett.net?? From garykjos at gmail.com Wed Sep 19 16:26:36 2012 From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2012 16:26:36 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] The list In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: And don't forget FINANCING. Web hosting costs MONEY. We run along on donations for the most part now. I think our president John Bartow gifts some of his referral $$ for people that link through his site to purchase a security software product to us. About half or slightly less of the listed shareholders still participate to some degree on one or more of the lists. One of the listed directors has passed away but I believe the remainder is still accurate. In my opinion the list still serves the same purpose it always has. We are not "in competition" with other resources. We are another resource. We don't guarantee that any question will be answered. You take your chance. Doesn't cost you anything. And hopefully it will be answered and you will then in turn be able to answer a question for someone else someday. Hopefully other people have much more available time than I do to take on a project such as Ken is proposing. I know that I don't have much available time to take on anything like that. GK On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 3:19 PM, Kenneth Ismert wrote: > > > > Jim Lawrence > > ...No company or special interest group owns the DBA lists... > > > > But I see on the DBA site a list of shareholders and mention of a Board of > Directors. And DBA is (or was) a corporation. That's old, old content, but > surely someone's still holding the tiller. > > ...If you don't like what you see, make suggestions, get an > > agreement (which is not difficult) ... > > > > Suggestion made: check. Get an agreement: OK, just who precisely do I talk > to, and how? I would imagine most of the active shareholders are following > this thread, no? > > > > ...If you think your porch needs painting you don't complain > > to the neighbour, you just do it... > > > > I think you mean get consensus that a problem exists, detail the > deficiencies, look at the competition, define what we want to do, explore > solutions, and see what is feasible to implement based on everyone's > abilities and free time? > > > > PS I built the website twice, Kathryn built it first (it needs a > > serious facelift), Bryan built the messaging system, we all > > enjoy and numerous others provided expertise, content > > and community. > > > > And I would like to see all that effort go forward in some fashion, not > simply wither away. > > -Ken > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Gary Kjos garykjos at gmail.com From hkotsch at arcor.de Wed Sep 19 16:29:15 2012 From: hkotsch at arcor.de (Helmut Kotsch) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2012 23:29:15 +0200 Subject: [AccessD] OT: But very cool... In-Reply-To: <505A33CD.7520.8BFD2AC7@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: Looking at West Europe during day time I wonder why we still have air to breeze. Even now at midnight there is lots of traffic. The same is true for the eastern part of the US. Helmut -----Ursprungliche Nachricht----- Von: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]Im Auftrag von Stuart McLachlan Gesendet: Mittwoch, 19. September 2012 23:06 An: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Betreff: Re: [AccessD] OT: But very cool... I hope you just forgot the smilie. For those who missed the point. FAA *data* is delayed (by 5 minutes). ADB-S data is realtime. It tells you nothing about the flight schedule. ;-) -- Stuart On 19 Sep 2012 at 9:55, Jim Lawrence wrote: > That airplane list may not be complete. > > The displayed info is only pulled from a few of the larger airport tracking > sites. Standards and technology may not be the same on all continents hence > it may not be on the list for those reasons as well. > > Jim > > PS Just noticed, looking at it again, that most flights, in the world are > delayed. Which confirms my theory. > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From hkotsch at arcor.de Wed Sep 19 16:45:04 2012 From: hkotsch at arcor.de (Helmut Kotsch) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2012 23:45:04 +0200 Subject: [AccessD] OT: But very cool... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I meant to say "breathe" instead of "breeze". Sorry for ma lousy English. Helmut Looking at West Europe during day time I wonder why we still have air to breathe. Even now at midnight there is lots of traffic. The same is true for the eastern part of the US. -----Ursprungliche Nachricht----- Von: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]Im Auftrag von Helmut Kotsch Gesendet: Mittwoch, 19. September 2012 23:29 An: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Betreff: Re: [AccessD] OT: But very cool... Looking at West Europe during day time I wonder why we still have air to breeze. Even now at midnight there is lots of traffic. The same is true for the eastern part of the US. Helmut -----Ursprungliche Nachricht----- Von: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]Im Auftrag von Stuart McLachlan Gesendet: Mittwoch, 19. September 2012 23:06 An: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Betreff: Re: [AccessD] OT: But very cool... I hope you just forgot the smilie. For those who missed the point. FAA *data* is delayed (by 5 minutes). ADB-S data is realtime. It tells you nothing about the flight schedule. ;-) -- Stuart On 19 Sep 2012 at 9:55, Jim Lawrence wrote: > That airplane list may not be complete. > > The displayed info is only pulled from a few of the larger airport tracking > sites. Standards and technology may not be the same on all continents hence > it may not be on the list for those reasons as well. > > Jim > > PS Just noticed, looking at it again, that most flights, in the world are > delayed. Which confirms my theory. > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Wed Sep 19 16:50:22 2012 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2012 17:50:22 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] The list In-Reply-To: <90058A7A839F475EB9A09F5D82B6B7B9@creativesystemdesigns.com> References: <90058A7A839F475EB9A09F5D82B6B7B9@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: <505A3E1E.7050703@colbyconsulting.com> Not quite true Jim, AccessD and the other lists is owned by DatabaseAdvisors a privately held company, incorporated in Delaware. However DatabaseAdvisors is just a means to an end which is to maintain the lists, nothing more. We do not earn money (though we could), we do not pay dividends to the share holders. We no longer even sell shares, that was just a way to manage the incorporation. John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it On 9/19/2012 1:26 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > Kenneth: > > These lists is not a private list. No company or special interest group owns > the DBA lists. In realistic terms "you" own these lists. What you do or do > not see here is your responsibility. The DBA will give you back what ever > you put in to them. You are just as responsible as anyone here. > > This is not someone else's site this is your site. If you don't like what > you see, make suggestions, get an agreement (which is not difficult) and > then roll up you selves and get to work. > > If you think your porch needs painting you don't complain to the neighbour, > you just do it. In reality, the sky is the limit with the new technology and > there are virtually no restrictions and here is a great place to hone your > skills but it all depends on YOU. > > Jim > > PS I built the website twice, Kathryn built it first (it needs a serious > facelift), Bryan built the messaging system, we all enjoy and numerous > others provided expertise, content and community. > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kenneth Ismert > Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2012 8:15 AM > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com > Subject: Re: [AccessD] The list > >> John W. Colby: >> ...However to approach it with "you guys need to do >> something" won't work... >> > > Right now, I am at the 'you guys (the board) need to acknowledge that the > ship is sinking' stage. I know my approach is abrasive, but I haven't found > any other way to elicit any kind of discussion on this topic. It's > frustrating to have some astute individual say 'the list is not serving its > purpose', and have the first response be 'adios, see ya.' > > ...Believe it or not I am attempting to encourage you to >> take charge. I have worked on several projects for the >> group and it absolutely is possible to implement change... >> > > What I will do is join an appropriate email list to see if we can achieve > some consensus that there is a problem. Which one do you recommend? > > Jim Lawrence: >> Are you just an arm-chair critic? >> > > Certainly not. Couch. > > -Ken > From carbonnb at gmail.com Wed Sep 19 18:15:47 2012 From: carbonnb at gmail.com (Bryan Carbonnell) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2012 19:15:47 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] HTML5 mobile-friendly web sites vs. native In-Reply-To: <11A1C8E2-DA85-4F1B-8C9D-902CAB611099@holly.arvixe.com> References: <11A1C8E2-DA85-4F1B-8C9D-902CAB611099@holly.arvixe.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 3:54 PM, Robert Stewart wrote: > I will not do OPEN source stuff. I know of no large corporations that are > using it. I do not see job openings for PostgreSql developers for example. A small company called Google relies on open source software. Ubuntu is their primary desktop OS. MS uses (or at least used) open source software. Their TPC/IP stack was a based on the TCP/IP stack in BSD. Apple OSX is built on OpenBSD. -- Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "What a great ride!" From accessd at shaw.ca Wed Sep 19 18:43:10 2012 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2012 16:43:10 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] The list In-Reply-To: <505A3E1E.7050703@colbyconsulting.com> References: <90058A7A839F475EB9A09F5D82B6B7B9@creativesystemdesigns.com> <505A3E1E.7050703@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <101D18860DC84847B428C7901D5EC0A7@creativesystemdesigns.com> Well, I learn something every day. Who are the signing members and therefore, theoretically, the legal owners? Jim -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2012 2:50 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] The list Not quite true Jim, AccessD and the other lists is owned by DatabaseAdvisors a privately held company, incorporated in Delaware. However DatabaseAdvisors is just a means to an end which is to maintain the lists, nothing more. We do not earn money (though we could), we do not pay dividends to the share holders. We no longer even sell shares, that was just a way to manage the incorporation. John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it On 9/19/2012 1:26 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > Kenneth: > > These lists is not a private list. No company or special interest group owns > the DBA lists. In realistic terms "you" own these lists. What you do or do > not see here is your responsibility. The DBA will give you back what ever > you put in to them. You are just as responsible as anyone here. > > This is not someone else's site this is your site. If you don't like what > you see, make suggestions, get an agreement (which is not difficult) and > then roll up you selves and get to work. > > If you think your porch needs painting you don't complain to the neighbour, > you just do it. In reality, the sky is the limit with the new technology and > there are virtually no restrictions and here is a great place to hone your > skills but it all depends on YOU. > > Jim > > PS I built the website twice, Kathryn built it first (it needs a serious > facelift), Bryan built the messaging system, we all enjoy and numerous > others provided expertise, content and community. > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kenneth Ismert > Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2012 8:15 AM > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com > Subject: Re: [AccessD] The list > >> John W. Colby: >> ...However to approach it with "you guys need to do >> something" won't work... >> > > Right now, I am at the 'you guys (the board) need to acknowledge that the > ship is sinking' stage. I know my approach is abrasive, but I haven't found > any other way to elicit any kind of discussion on this topic. It's > frustrating to have some astute individual say 'the list is not serving its > purpose', and have the first response be 'adios, see ya.' > > ...Believe it or not I am attempting to encourage you to >> take charge. I have worked on several projects for the >> group and it absolutely is possible to implement change... >> > > What I will do is join an appropriate email list to see if we can achieve > some consensus that there is a problem. Which one do you recommend? > > Jim Lawrence: >> Are you just an arm-chair critic? >> > > Certainly not. Couch. > > -Ken > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au Wed Sep 19 18:52:22 2012 From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2012 23:52:22 +0000 Subject: [AccessD] OT: But very cool... In-Reply-To: References: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B525019EE6@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com> <5059E020.7030509@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B52501A16F@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com> Yeah, they state that is about 30% short of all aircraft as only aircraft with a certain tracking unit fitted is shown (the details are on their site). Also clearly some military / combat type craft would be invisible too, although they reckon you can see some of them too. Like John C I was rather interested where all the flights were. Certainly Western EU and the USA were amazingly busy. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Thursday, 20 September 2012 2:56 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: But very cool... That airplane list may not be complete. The displayed info is only pulled from a few of the larger airport tracking sites. Standards and technology may not be the same on all continents hence it may not be on the list for those reasons as well. Jim PS Just noticed, looking at it again, that most flights, in the world are delayed. Which confirms my theory. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2012 8:09 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: But very cool... Zoom way out and look at the big picture. Africa, Asia and South America almost empty. Speaks volumes about where the money is, and inversely where the poverty is. John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it On 9/19/2012 12:45 AM, Darryl Collins wrote: > This site is rather amazing. Click on the plane and it gives you a > whole lot more tech specs. This is live info as well. Very slick. I was impressed - maybe it will be of use to you as well. > > http://www.heraldsun.com.au/travel/news/real-time-map-shows-every-plane-in-t he-air-now/story-fn32891l-1226476960352 > or the actual site > > > > Cheers > Darryl. > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From john at winhaven.net Wed Sep 19 19:24:08 2012 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2012 19:24:08 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] The list In-Reply-To: <101D18860DC84847B428C7901D5EC0A7@creativesystemdesigns.com> References: <90058A7A839F475EB9A09F5D82B6B7B9@creativesystemdesigns.com> <505A3E1E.7050703@colbyconsulting.com> <101D18860DC84847B428C7901D5EC0A7@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: <014501cd96c6$3fec3c70$bfc4b550$@winhaven.net> It's on the website under shareholders. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2012 6:43 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] The list Well, I learn something every day. Who are the signing members and therefore, theoretically, the legal owners? Jim -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2012 2:50 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] The list Not quite true Jim, AccessD and the other lists is owned by DatabaseAdvisors a privately held company, incorporated in Delaware. However DatabaseAdvisors is just a means to an end which is to maintain the lists, nothing more. We do not earn money (though we could), we do not pay dividends to the share holders. We no longer even sell shares, that was just a way to manage the incorporation. John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it On 9/19/2012 1:26 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > Kenneth: > > These lists is not a private list. No company or special interest > group owns > the DBA lists. In realistic terms "you" own these lists. What you do > or do not see here is your responsibility. The DBA will give you back > what ever you put in to them. You are just as responsible as anyone here. > > This is not someone else's site this is your site. If you don't like > what you see, make suggestions, get an agreement (which is not > difficult) and then roll up you selves and get to work. > > If you think your porch needs painting you don't complain to the neighbour, > you just do it. In reality, the sky is the limit with the new > technology and > there are virtually no restrictions and here is a great place to hone > your skills but it all depends on YOU. > > Jim > > PS I built the website twice, Kathryn built it first (it needs a > serious facelift), Bryan built the messaging system, we all enjoy and > numerous others provided expertise, content and community. > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kenneth > Ismert > Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2012 8:15 AM > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com > Subject: Re: [AccessD] The list > >> John W. Colby: >> ...However to approach it with "you guys need to do something" won't >> work... >> > > Right now, I am at the 'you guys (the board) need to acknowledge that > the ship is sinking' stage. I know my approach is abrasive, but I > haven't found > any other way to elicit any kind of discussion on this topic. It's > frustrating to have some astute individual say 'the list is not > serving its > purpose', and have the first response be 'adios, see ya.' > > ...Believe it or not I am attempting to encourage you to >> take charge. I have worked on several projects for the group and it >> absolutely is possible to implement change... >> > > What I will do is join an appropriate email list to see if we can > achieve some consensus that there is a problem. Which one do you recommend? > > Jim Lawrence: >> Are you just an arm-chair critic? >> > > Certainly not. Couch. > > -Ken > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From marksimms at verizon.net Wed Sep 19 19:42:41 2012 From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2012 20:42:41 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] HTML5 mobile-friendly web sites vs. native In-Reply-To: <11A1C8E2-DA85-4F1B-8C9D-902CAB611099@holly.arvixe.com> References: <11A1C8E2-DA85-4F1B-8C9D-902CAB611099@holly.arvixe.com> Message-ID: <026a01cd96c8$d7f95640$87ec02c0$@net> ASP.NET is so screwed up because if you want to do MVC, IT'S A TOTAL AND COMPLETE REWRITE. From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Wed Sep 19 19:42:10 2012 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2012 20:42:10 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] The list In-Reply-To: <101D18860DC84847B428C7901D5EC0A7@creativesystemdesigns.com> References: <90058A7A839F475EB9A09F5D82B6B7B9@creativesystemdesigns.com> <505A3E1E.7050703@colbyconsulting.com> <101D18860DC84847B428C7901D5EC0A7@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: <505A6662.4010405@colbyconsulting.com> > Who are the signing members and therefore, theoretically, the legal owners? That is a good question. http://www.databaseadvisors.com/aboutus/shareholders.asp http://www.databaseadvisors.com/contacts.asp We all donated $50-$100 or so just to generate the startup funds to get the company established. If memory serves we started with around $2500. Since that time the company has subsisted entirely on donations. I am a past president, I believe the second and before John Bartow. IIRC Lembit was the first president, though it was all so long ago... John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it On 9/19/2012 7:43 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > Well, I learn something every day. > > Who are the signing members and therefore, theoretically, the legal owners? > > Jim From accessd at shaw.ca Wed Sep 19 20:15:32 2012 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2012 18:15:32 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] HTML5 mobile-friendly web sites vs. native In-Reply-To: <11A1C8E2-DA85-4F1B-8C9D-902CAB611099@holly.arvixe.com> References: <11A1C8E2-DA85-4F1B-8C9D-902CAB611099@holly.arvixe.com> Message-ID: Hi Robert: You have lived a very sheltered life. Most fortune 500 companies use OS Linux for starts, the three most popular webservers are Apache, number one, Nginx, number two and third IIS. When it comes to programming the top 31 languages are OSS and yes even C# (Mono and Grasshopper) though it is in seventh place behind C, Java, C++, PHP, JavaScript and Python. All that would be needed is a good OS IDE and C# could be number one...naaahhh but maybe to number five? Here is a link to one of the many excellent IDEs which will have versions for all major language: http://vimeo.com/40281991 within a couple of years (OSS of course) Virtually all the main players in the computer industry especially in the new startups use OSS products like Google, Facebook, Dropbox, Amazon, IBM and on and on. Most SmartPhones and Pad use Android/Java; 68 percent at last check and after iOS there is still a few percentage left for others. I for one, have set up many offices (35+ years in business before PCs and before Microsoft), some with MS Office and some recently with LibraOffice and all the clients are very happy. As for comparing MS Access with to Open office series, it appears that MS is doing a pretty good job of slowly breaking their product so it will match. ;-( There are dozens of OS database products out there of every type and capability so if you are going longterm why become trapped to single offering with brittle and proprietary standards that are not compatible with the rest of the industry. Microsoft is one of the founding members of W3C industry standards though looking at their internet offerings and compatibilty matching you might not think so. I know many people working in computer industry who make very comfortable livings and they never use Microsoft products. I for one like Microsoft products and will continue to use more of their products but they are hardly the be all or end all. It is a very very big non-MS world out there and opportunities abound everywhere. Jim -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Robert Stewart Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2012 12:55 PM To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [AccessD] HTML5 mobile-friendly web sites vs. native Jim, I have made my living doing MS based applications for the last 20 years or so. Before that, I was in a totally different career, wholesale agriculture. I will not do OPEN source stuff. I know of no large corporations that are using it. I do not see job openings for PostgreSql developers for example. So, I will stick with MS based technologies. I am pissed about Silverlight because they finally got web development right with it. I really did not care if it ran under a Mac or an iPad or not. They could go a buy a real computer if they wanted to use a site I built. And, I still feel that way about it. ASP.net is a kludge. It is like developing with a hammer and chisel. I guess that I am stubborn. But then again, I can be. I work at a full time job as a DBA. I teach MS development at a local user group once a month, www.dbguidesign.com. I refuse to use Javascript. HTML is ok if you have to use ASP.net. If browsers actually supported HTML5, that might be even better. For those of you that are interested, we do a GoToMeeting each month for the meeting also. If you want to be emailed about it, let me know and I will add you to the group email list. I love WPF. I think of it as MS Access on steroids. You can do so much with it. And if you look at it like that, you can go far with it. One of the guys that attends the group I teach has even built a code generator that will build the screens and code behind for you based on pointing his generator to a table in a database. When you dig into it. It is extremely powerful and can be made very user friendly to the end user. After the first of the year, I am going to start a series on Win 8 development. And there are a lot of "standards" to be followed there. And, finally as a comparison of "open standards" products, would you run your business with Open Office? It is pretty much a joke for serious work. Would you compare it's database product to MS Access and develop in it? I don't think so. Robert L. Stewart Any fool can write code that a computer can understand. Good programmers write code that humans can understand. --Martin Fowler www.WeBeDb.com www.DBGUIDesign.com www.RLStewartPhotography.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Wed Sep 19 20:16:55 2012 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2012 18:16:55 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] The list In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kenneth Ismert Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2012 1:20 PM To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [AccessD] The list > > Jim Lawrence > ...No company or special interest group owns the DBA lists... > But I see on the DBA site a list of shareholders and mention of a Board of Directors. And DBA is (or was) a corporation. That's old, old content, but surely someone's still holding the tiller. ...If you don't like what you see, make suggestions, get an agreement (which is not difficult) ... > Suggestion made: check. Get an agreement: OK, just who precisely do I talk to, and how? I would imagine most of the active shareholders are following this thread, no? > ...If you think your porch needs painting you don't complain > to the neighbour, you just do it... > I think you mean get consensus that a problem exists, detail the deficiencies, look at the competition, define what we want to do, explore solutions, and see what is feasible to implement based on everyone's abilities and free time? > PS I built the website twice, Kathryn built it first (it needs a > serious facelift), Bryan built the messaging system, we all > enjoy and numerous others provided expertise, content and community. > And I would like to see all that effort go forward in some fashion, not simply wither away. -Ken -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Wed Sep 19 20:21:34 2012 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2012 18:21:34 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] The list In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1A9035976ED44AD1A43B5B1B91034B93@creativesystemdesigns.com> Hi Kenneth: When you check the shareholders list, you might recognize some name and if not there are emails built-in. The whole system pretty well runs on auto-pilot and if anything breaks it can be fixed almost immediately so it requires little user intervention. I thinks all other questions have already been answered and things will move forward. Jim -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kenneth Ismert Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2012 1:20 PM To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [AccessD] The list > > Jim Lawrence > ...No company or special interest group owns the DBA lists... > But I see on the DBA site a list of shareholders and mention of a Board of Directors. And DBA is (or was) a corporation. That's old, old content, but surely someone's still holding the tiller. ...If you don't like what you see, make suggestions, get an agreement (which is not difficult) ... > Suggestion made: check. Get an agreement: OK, just who precisely do I talk to, and how? I would imagine most of the active shareholders are following this thread, no? > ...If you think your porch needs painting you don't complain > to the neighbour, you just do it... > I think you mean get consensus that a problem exists, detail the deficiencies, look at the competition, define what we want to do, explore solutions, and see what is feasible to implement based on everyone's abilities and free time? > PS I built the website twice, Kathryn built it first (it needs a > serious facelift), Bryan built the messaging system, we all > enjoy and numerous others provided expertise, content and community. > And I would like to see all that effort go forward in some fashion, not simply wither away. -Ken -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Wed Sep 19 20:23:37 2012 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2012 18:23:37 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] OT: But very cool... In-Reply-To: <505A318B.29164.8BF45964@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B525019EE6@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>, <5059E020.7030509@colbyconsulting.com> <505A318B.29164.8BF45964@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <4F58B2B04B284B2895B058717CB435A0@creativesystemdesigns.com> That was what I was saying... it does not appear complete in its world coverage but I do think it is really a cool start. Jim -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2012 1:57 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: But very cool... The most common passenger aircraft in PNG are Bombardier (Dash and Twin Otter) - neither of which carry ADS-B transmitters. It's a similar situation in a lot of those areas you mention, There are also no ADS-B receiver sites in PNG linked to that system. I can watch Air Niugini Airbuses leaving Australia and disappearing as they cross the Coral Sea. The coverage on the map says more about where ADS-B receivers and FAA stations are and what type of aircraft are in use more than anything else. See http://www.flightradar24.com/how-it-works -- Stuart On 19 Sep 2012 at 11:09, jwcolby wrote: > Zoom way out and look at the big picture. Africa, Asia and South America almost empty. Speaks > volumes about where the money is, and inversely where the poverty is. > > John W. Colby > Colby Consulting > > Reality is what refuses to go away > when you do not believe in it > > On 9/19/2012 12:45 AM, Darryl Collins wrote: > > This site is rather amazing. Click on the plane and it gives you a whole lot more tech specs. This is live info as well. Very slick. I was impressed - maybe it will be of use to you as well. > > > > http://www.heraldsun.com.au/travel/news/real-time-map-shows-every-plane-in-t he-air-now/story-fn32891l-1226476960352 > > or the actual site > > > > > > > Cheers > > Darryl. > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Wed Sep 19 20:26:00 2012 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2012 18:26:00 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] OT: But very cool... In-Reply-To: <505A33CD.7520.8BFD2AC7@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B525019EE6@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>, <5059E020.7030509@colbyconsulting.com>, <505A33CD.7520.8BFD2AC7@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <10E9680A9A374011B26ACE3DEDC0AE37@creativesystemdesigns.com> You guessed anyway. :-) I think it is a product that is just demonstrating proof of concept which it does admirable. Jim -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2012 2:06 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: But very cool... I hope you just forgot the smilie. For those who missed the point. FAA *data* is delayed (by 5 minutes). ADB-S data is realtime. It tells you nothing about the flight schedule. ;-) -- Stuart On 19 Sep 2012 at 9:55, Jim Lawrence wrote: > That airplane list may not be complete. > > The displayed info is only pulled from a few of the larger airport tracking > sites. Standards and technology may not be the same on all continents hence > it may not be on the list for those reasons as well. > > Jim > > PS Just noticed, looking at it again, that most flights, in the world are > delayed. Which confirms my theory. > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Wed Sep 19 21:54:31 2012 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2012 22:54:31 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] The list In-Reply-To: <1A9035976ED44AD1A43B5B1B91034B93@creativesystemdesigns.com> References: <1A9035976ED44AD1A43B5B1B91034B93@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: <505A8567.5030203@colbyconsulting.com> > I thinks all other questions have already been answered and things will move forward. I think a discussion of the big picture is still useful. After that whether we want or need to make changes and if so what kind. > The whole system pretty well runs on auto-pilot and if anything breaks it can be fixed almost immediately so it requires little user intervention. And that is the source of the problem, we are in fact on auto-pilot and have been for years. Auto-pilot in the current age really does imply gradual decline. Several people have stated that they find this objectionable and that's cool but before we jump in and madly start "fixing" things I think that we should discuss our place in the world. If there is a consensus to fix it then I will absolutely support that. John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it On 9/19/2012 9:21 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > Hi Kenneth: > > When you check the shareholders list, you might recognize some name and if > not there are emails built-in. > > The whole system pretty well runs on auto-pilot and if anything breaks it > can be fixed almost immediately so it requires little user intervention. > > I thinks all other questions have already been answered and things will move > forward. > > Jim From accessd at shaw.ca Wed Sep 19 22:26:27 2012 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2012 20:26:27 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] The list In-Reply-To: <505A8567.5030203@colbyconsulting.com> References: <1A9035976ED44AD1A43B5B1B91034B93@creativesystemdesigns.com> <505A8567.5030203@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: Kathryn, one of our other founders, suggests we should have a full review of the executive and I would assume that would also elicit a discussion on our direction. The truth is that one year in the computer world is ten anywhere else. We have been cruising for about three years or more accurately thirty years. Jim -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2012 7:55 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] The list > I thinks all other questions have already been answered and things will move forward. I think a discussion of the big picture is still useful. After that whether we want or need to make changes and if so what kind. > The whole system pretty well runs on auto-pilot and if anything breaks it can be fixed almost immediately so it requires little user intervention. And that is the source of the problem, we are in fact on auto-pilot and have been for years. Auto-pilot in the current age really does imply gradual decline. Several people have stated that they find this objectionable and that's cool but before we jump in and madly start "fixing" things I think that we should discuss our place in the world. If there is a consensus to fix it then I will absolutely support that. John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it On 9/19/2012 9:21 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > Hi Kenneth: > > When you check the shareholders list, you might recognize some name and if > not there are emails built-in. > > The whole system pretty well runs on auto-pilot and if anything breaks it > can be fixed almost immediately so it requires little user intervention. > > I thinks all other questions have already been answered and things will move > forward. > > Jim -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Wed Sep 19 23:32:39 2012 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2012 21:32:39 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] The list In-Reply-To: <101D18860DC84847B428C7901D5EC0A7@creativesystemdesigns.com> References: <90058A7A839F475EB9A09F5D82B6B7B9@creativesystemdesigns.com><505A3E1E.7050703@colbyconsulting.com> <101D18860DC84847B428C7901D5EC0A7@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: I'm one (raises hand). Rocky -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2012 4:43 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] The list Well, I learn something every day. Who are the signing members and therefore, theoretically, the legal owners? Jim -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2012 2:50 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] The list Not quite true Jim, AccessD and the other lists is owned by DatabaseAdvisors a privately held company, incorporated in Delaware. However DatabaseAdvisors is just a means to an end which is to maintain the lists, nothing more. We do not earn money (though we could), we do not pay dividends to the share holders. We no longer even sell shares, that was just a way to manage the incorporation. John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it On 9/19/2012 1:26 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > Kenneth: > > These lists is not a private list. No company or special interest > group owns > the DBA lists. In realistic terms "you" own these lists. What you do > or do not see here is your responsibility. The DBA will give you back > what ever you put in to them. You are just as responsible as anyone here. > > This is not someone else's site this is your site. If you don't like > what you see, make suggestions, get an agreement (which is not > difficult) and then roll up you selves and get to work. > > If you think your porch needs painting you don't complain to the neighbour, > you just do it. In reality, the sky is the limit with the new > technology and > there are virtually no restrictions and here is a great place to hone > your skills but it all depends on YOU. > > Jim > > PS I built the website twice, Kathryn built it first (it needs a > serious facelift), Bryan built the messaging system, we all enjoy and > numerous others provided expertise, content and community. > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kenneth > Ismert > Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2012 8:15 AM > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com > Subject: Re: [AccessD] The list > >> John W. Colby: >> ...However to approach it with "you guys need to do something" won't >> work... >> > > Right now, I am at the 'you guys (the board) need to acknowledge that > the ship is sinking' stage. I know my approach is abrasive, but I > haven't found > any other way to elicit any kind of discussion on this topic. It's > frustrating to have some astute individual say 'the list is not > serving its > purpose', and have the first response be 'adios, see ya.' > > ...Believe it or not I am attempting to encourage you to >> take charge. I have worked on several projects for the group and it >> absolutely is possible to implement change... >> > > What I will do is join an appropriate email list to see if we can > achieve some consensus that there is a problem. Which one do you recommend? > > Jim Lawrence: >> Are you just an arm-chair critic? >> > > Certainly not. Couch. > > -Ken > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From darren at activebilling.com.au Wed Sep 19 23:39:57 2012 From: darren at activebilling.com.au (Darren) Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2012 14:39:57 +1000 Subject: [AccessD] The list In-Reply-To: References: <90058A7A839F475EB9A09F5D82B6B7B9@creativesystemdesigns.com><505A3E1E.7050703@colbyconsulting.com> <101D18860DC84847B428C7901D5EC0A7@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: <01f301cd96e9$ffef1f60$ffcd5e20$@activebilling.com.au> I'm one (raises hand). Darren -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: Thursday, 20 September 2012 2:33 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] The list I'm one (raises hand). Rocky -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2012 4:43 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] The list Well, I learn something every day. Who are the signing members and therefore, theoretically, the legal owners? Jim -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2012 2:50 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] The list Not quite true Jim, AccessD and the other lists is owned by DatabaseAdvisors a privately held company, incorporated in Delaware. However DatabaseAdvisors is just a means to an end which is to maintain the lists, nothing more. We do not earn money (though we could), we do not pay dividends to the share holders. We no longer even sell shares, that was just a way to manage the incorporation. John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it On 9/19/2012 1:26 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > Kenneth: > > These lists is not a private list. No company or special interest > group owns > the DBA lists. In realistic terms "you" own these lists. What you do > or do not see here is your responsibility. The DBA will give you back > what ever you put in to them. You are just as responsible as anyone here. > > This is not someone else's site this is your site. If you don't like > what you see, make suggestions, get an agreement (which is not > difficult) and then roll up you selves and get to work. > > If you think your porch needs painting you don't complain to the neighbour, > you just do it. In reality, the sky is the limit with the new > technology and > there are virtually no restrictions and here is a great place to hone > your skills but it all depends on YOU. > > Jim > > PS I built the website twice, Kathryn built it first (it needs a > serious facelift), Bryan built the messaging system, we all enjoy and > numerous others provided expertise, content and community. > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kenneth > Ismert > Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2012 8:15 AM > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com > Subject: Re: [AccessD] The list > >> John W. Colby: >> ...However to approach it with "you guys need to do something" won't >> work... >> > > Right now, I am at the 'you guys (the board) need to acknowledge that > the ship is sinking' stage. I know my approach is abrasive, but I > haven't found > any other way to elicit any kind of discussion on this topic. It's > frustrating to have some astute individual say 'the list is not > serving its > purpose', and have the first response be 'adios, see ya.' > > ...Believe it or not I am attempting to encourage you to >> take charge. I have worked on several projects for the group and it >> absolutely is possible to implement change... >> > > What I will do is join an appropriate email list to see if we can > achieve some consensus that there is a problem. Which one do you recommend? > > Jim Lawrence: >> Are you just an arm-chair critic? >> > > Certainly not. Couch. > > -Ken > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From john at winhaven.net Wed Sep 19 23:50:50 2012 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2012 23:50:50 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] The list In-Reply-To: References: <90058A7A839F475EB9A09F5D82B6B7B9@creativesystemdesigns.com><505A3E1E.7050703@colbyconsulting.com> <101D18860DC84847B428C7901D5EC0A7@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: <016601cd96eb$82493850$86dba8f0$@winhaven.net> Jim, There's no theory about it. DBA is owned by the shareholders. Pretty plain and simple. So the owners of the list are right here: http://www.databaseadvisors.com/aboutus/shareholders.asp John B. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2012 11:33 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] The list I'm one (raises hand). Rocky From mcp2004 at mail.ru Thu Sep 20 05:36:11 2012 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=) Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2012 14:36:11 +0400 Subject: [AccessD] =?utf-8?q?SMB_-_HTML5_mobile-friendly_web_sites_vs=2E_n?= =?utf-8?q?ative_mobile_apps_-_Was=3ARe=3A_Bootcamp_or_Paralells_-_was_RE?= =?utf-8?q?=3A_OT=3A_iPhone/iPaddevelopment_on_an_MS_Windows_PC_-_noway=3F?= In-Reply-To: <5668E7D3A9004E27AB83AC82223E6D6B@creativesystemdesigns.com> References: <1347636826.783194936@f100.mail.ru>, <1348036594.703563362@f76.mail.ru> <5668E7D3A9004E27AB83AC82223E6D6B@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: <1348137371.998062408@f295.mail.ru> Hi Jim -- Thank you for your detailed reply. <<< Open Standards and the associated Open Source products offer greater diversity and opportunities in the long term. >>> OK. I must note I didn't argue with that point in this thread. <<< Proprietary software?may offer fast larger profits but they are short-term...ten years maximum?generally less. >>> That's exactly what I'm looking for. :) I have no luxury to plan even for five years ahead. And I'm 30 years in this industry - starting my programming carrier using proprietary assembler, Algol, Fortran, then IBM360/370 macro-assembler, PL/I, ... - actually everything as I have read and used all the IBM370 system and programming docs - that were not a lot, then PDP11/RSX11M - on system core level as well as on application level - again all docs read from cover to cover, then IBM PCs - skipped assembler/system level this time and have been programming mainly on utility and application level but used different programming languages and technologies etc. I will write a bit more on that my "short-term" plan in this thread next week - please note I prefixed this thread subject with 'SMB' - Small-Middle-Size business - this is my target customers base, I do not work for corporate companies.? <<< As long as you balance those facts, what ever development environment you decide on and what level of risk you are most comfortable with will work.? >>> Sure. Thank you. -- Shamil Wed, 19 Sep 2012 09:35:43 -0700 ?? "Jim Lawrence" : >Hi Shamil: > > Just some clarification here first: Apple is not a software company, it is a > hardware company. Even the core to Apple PCs are borrowed from OpenBSD (OSS > Unix/Linux) software...it is more like any other Linux distro. > > You are right that fixed dictated standards are restricting but the phrase > is OPEN standards. These are not hard and fast but they are agreements > within the entire industry. > > Just like electricity coming to your house. If every supplier put their own > standard on the delivery, cycles, power-levels etc, no one would be able to > trust the functionality of their equipment. Right now there are four major > electric standards in the world, each has different set of plugs but there > are universal transformers so I know my laptop will work whether I am in > Canada/US, in Europe/Russia, Britain (they are weird ;-)) or in Japan/China. > > The computer industry, by necessity is the same thing. > > I think in this industry a developer, starting out, has to first have and > keep a solid background in the Open Standards products...that for the most > cases will be their "bread and butter"...the long-term meal ticket. Then and > only then a developer should specialize...realizing of course that all > proprietary languages on custom platforms have a relative short lifespan and > the technology could get dumped at a moments notice. > > Case in point: I know more dead-languages than live ones. I used to be a SCO > senior product re-seller and a CNE (Certified Novell Engineer) but we all > know what happened to SCO and Novell when the OSS product, Linux hit the > market. Access is not dead but can you imagine where it would be at if it > was a OSS product and not being restricted by the whims of the owner. > > In summary; Open Standards and the associated Open Source products offer > greater diversity and opportunities in the long term. Proprietary software > may offer fast larger profits but they are short-term...ten years maximum > generally less. As long as you balance those facts, what ever development > environment you decide on and what level of risk you are most comfortable > with will work. > > Jim ><<< skipped >>> > From mcp2004 at mail.ru Thu Sep 20 05:54:46 2012 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=) Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2012 14:54:46 +0400 Subject: [AccessD] =?utf-8?q?Light_Table_IDE_=28Vimeo=2Ecom=29_-_Was=3ARe?= =?utf-8?q?=3A__HTML5_mobile-friendly_web_sites_vs=2E_native?= In-Reply-To: References: <11A1C8E2-DA85-4F1B-8C9D-902CAB611099@holly.arvixe.com> Message-ID: <1348138486.989633270@f295.mail.ru> Hi Jim -- <<< Here is a link to?one of the many excellent IDEs which will have versions for all major language:?http://vimeo.com/40281991?within a couple of years (OSS of course) >>> Do you mean the Light Table IDE? Yes, AFAIS it promise to be a great tool to learn dynamic/scripting languages as JavaScript, Clojure, Python, HTML(5)/CSS(3) etc. AFAIU it's planned ?the first version of Light Table to be released next year May (http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/ibdknox/light-table?ref=NewsApr2612&utm_campaign=Apr26&utm_medium=email&utm_source=newsletter). Waiting for that ?Light Table IDE release what other ?simpler (IDE) tools one can use to get instant interpretation/execution of the code they write? I must note I wanted to write a simple private tool having a couple of windows with one to type code into and another one to instantly interpret/execute typed code... Thank you. -- Shamil P.S. I'd expect similar to Light Table IDE "instant interpretation/debugging" features will appear in the next release of MS Visual Studio - 2014? - it appears to the one of the most demanded IDE features for nowadays real life application development... Wed, 19 Sep 2012 18:15:32 -0700 ?? "Jim Lawrence" : >Hi Robert: > > You have lived a very sheltered life. > > Most fortune 500 companies use OS Linux for starts, the three most popular > webservers are Apache, number one, Nginx, number two and third IIS. When it > comes to programming the top 31 languages are OSS and yes even C# (Mono and > Grasshopper) though it is in seventh place behind C, Java, C++, PHP, > JavaScript and Python. All that would be needed is a good OS IDE and C# > could be number one...naaahhh but maybe to number five? Here is a link to > one of the many excellent IDEs which will have versions for all major > language: http://vimeo.com/40281991 within a couple of years (OSS of course) > > > Virtually all the main players in the computer industry especially in the > new startups use OSS products like Google, Facebook, Dropbox, Amazon, IBM > and on and on. Most SmartPhones and Pad use Android/Java; 68 percent at last > check and after iOS there is still a few percentage left for others. > > I for one, have set up many offices (35+ years in business before PCs and > before Microsoft), some with MS Office and some recently with LibraOffice > and all the clients are very happy. As for comparing MS Access with to Open > office series, it appears that MS is doing a pretty good job of slowly > breaking their product so it will match. ;-( > > There are dozens of OS database products out there of every type and > capability so if you are going longterm why become trapped to single > offering with brittle and proprietary standards that are not compatible with > the rest of the industry. Microsoft is one of the founding members of W3C > industry standards though looking at their internet offerings and > compatibilty matching you might not think so. > > I know many people working in computer industry who make very comfortable > livings and they never use Microsoft products. > > I for one like Microsoft products and will continue to use more of their > products but they are hardly the be all or end all. It is a very very big > non-MS world out there and opportunities abound everywhere. > > Jim > > > > ><<< skipped >>> From kismert at gmail.com Thu Sep 20 10:04:44 2012 From: kismert at gmail.com (Kenneth Ismert) Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2012 10:04:44 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] The list Message-ID: > > John W. Colby: > ... I am not advocating just sinking into the > sunset, but I am saying that we should take > a hard look at the big picture and decide > unemotionally what we want to be and how > realistic it is that we can be that thing. > > Ken Ismert: > ...I think you mean get consensus that a > problem exists, detail the deficiencies, look > at the competition, define what we want to > do, explore solutions, and see what is > feasible to implement based on everyone's > abilities and free time?... > Sounds like we are basically on the same page. Others can call the membership meeting. I'd like to participate. Meanwhile, I'll draw up a list of discussion points, and post them shortly on a new thread. -Ken From accessd at shaw.ca Thu Sep 20 10:14:52 2012 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2012 08:14:52 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] SMB - HTML5 mobile-friendly web sites vs. native mobile apps - Was:Re: Bootcamp or Paralells - was RE: OT: iPhone/iPaddevelopment on an MS Windows PC - noway? In-Reply-To: <1348137371.998062408@f295.mail.ru> References: <1347636826.783194936@f100.mail.ru>, <1348036594.703563362@f76.mail.ru><5668E7D3A9004E27AB83AC82223E6D6B@creativesystemdesigns.com> <1348137371.998062408@f295.mail.ru> Message-ID: <4646C5D426884C4080D44D28A40F265F@creativesystemdesigns.com> Hi Shamil: It all Sounds good and I am look forward to hearing about your plans as I am sure many others here are thinking the same thoughts and asking the same questions. Jim -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Salakhetdinov Shamil Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2012 3:36 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: [AccessD] SMB - HTML5 mobile-friendly web sites vs. native mobile apps - Was:Re: Bootcamp or Paralells - was RE: OT: iPhone/iPaddevelopment on an MS Windows PC - noway? Hi Jim -- Thank you for your detailed reply. <<< Open Standards and the associated Open Source products offer greater diversity and opportunities in the long term. >>> OK. I must note I didn't argue with that point in this thread. <<< Proprietary software?may offer fast larger profits but they are short-term...ten years maximum?generally less. >>> That's exactly what I'm looking for. :) I have no luxury to plan even for five years ahead. And I'm 30 years in this industry - starting my programming carrier using proprietary assembler, Algol, Fortran, then IBM360/370 macro-assembler, PL/I, ... - actually everything as I have read and used all the IBM370 system and programming docs - that were not a lot, then PDP11/RSX11M - on system core level as well as on application level - again all docs read from cover to cover, then IBM PCs - skipped assembler/system level this time and have been programming mainly on utility and application level but used different programming languages and technologies etc. I will write a bit more on that my "short-term" plan in this thread next week - please note I prefixed this thread subject with 'SMB' - Small-Middle-Size business - this is my target customers base, I do not work for corporate companies.? <<< As long as you balance those facts, what ever development environment you decide on and what level of risk you are most comfortable with will work.? >>> Sure. Thank you. -- Shamil Wed, 19 Sep 2012 09:35:43 -0700 ?? "Jim Lawrence" : >Hi Shamil: > > Just some clarification here first: Apple is not a software company, it is a > hardware company. Even the core to Apple PCs are borrowed from OpenBSD (OSS > Unix/Linux) software...it is more like any other Linux distro. > > You are right that fixed dictated standards are restricting but the phrase > is OPEN standards. These are not hard and fast but they are agreements > within the entire industry. > > Just like electricity coming to your house. If every supplier put their own > standard on the delivery, cycles, power-levels etc, no one would be able to > trust the functionality of their equipment. Right now there are four major > electric standards in the world, each has different set of plugs but there > are universal transformers so I know my laptop will work whether I am in > Canada/US, in Europe/Russia, Britain (they are weird ;-)) or in Japan/China. > > The computer industry, by necessity is the same thing. > > I think in this industry a developer, starting out, has to first have and > keep a solid background in the Open Standards products...that for the most > cases will be their "bread and butter"...the long-term meal ticket. Then and > only then a developer should specialize...realizing of course that all > proprietary languages on custom platforms have a relative short lifespan and > the technology could get dumped at a moments notice. > > Case in point: I know more dead-languages than live ones. I used to be a SCO > senior product re-seller and a CNE (Certified Novell Engineer) but we all > know what happened to SCO and Novell when the OSS product, Linux hit the > market. Access is not dead but can you imagine where it would be at if it > was a OSS product and not being restricted by the whims of the owner. > > In summary; Open Standards and the associated Open Source products offer > greater diversity and opportunities in the long term. Proprietary software > may offer fast larger profits but they are short-term...ten years maximum > generally less. As long as you balance those facts, what ever development > environment you decide on and what level of risk you are most comfortable > with will work. > > Jim ><<< skipped >>> > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From carbonnb at gmail.com Thu Sep 20 10:17:42 2012 From: carbonnb at gmail.com (Bryan Carbonnell) Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2012 11:17:42 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] The list In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 11:04 AM, Kenneth Ismert wrote: > Sounds like we are basically on the same page. > > Others can call the membership meeting. I'd like to participate. > > Meanwhile, I'll draw up a list of discussion points, and post them shortly > on a new thread. Ken, Before you post anything, can you just hold off a bit. We are working behind the scenes to get a proper place set up for these discussions. That way the archive for AccessD stays for Access questions and the new list will have the archive of this discussion. -- Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "What a great ride!" From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Thu Sep 20 10:59:50 2012 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2012 11:59:50 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] The list In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <505B3D76.9000707@colbyconsulting.com> LOL, uhhh yea. John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it On 9/20/2012 11:04 AM, Kenneth Ismert wrote: >> >> John W. Colby: >> ... I am not advocating just sinking into the >> sunset, but I am saying that we should take >> a hard look at the big picture and decide >> unemotionally what we want to be and how >> realistic it is that we can be that thing. >> > > >> Ken Ismert: >> ...I think you mean get consensus that a >> problem exists, detail the deficiencies, look >> at the competition, define what we want to >> do, explore solutions, and see what is >> feasible to implement based on everyone's >> abilities and free time?... >> > > Sounds like we are basically on the same page. > > Others can call the membership meeting. I'd like to participate. > > Meanwhile, I'll draw up a list of discussion points, and post them shortly > on a new thread. > > -Ken > From accessd at shaw.ca Thu Sep 20 11:11:26 2012 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2012 09:11:26 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Light Table IDE (Vimeo.com) - Was:Re: HTML5 mobile-friendly web sites vs. native In-Reply-To: <1348138486.989633270@f295.mail.ru> References: <11A1C8E2-DA85-4F1B-8C9D-902CAB611099@holly.arvixe.com> <1348138486.989633270@f295.mail.ru> Message-ID: <93C0DC3DA5704FCD8068A15E764FF3C4@creativesystemdesigns.com> Hi Shamil: Right now, the best IDE for C# is Microsoft's offering. The prices are pretty high; from 1K for entrance level package and up to 5K for the full-blown enterprise version. The packages may be well worth it but when getting any of them you are truly committed. If MS decides not to allow their package results to be compatible with the rest of the industry then a developer may find themselves on a dead-end street or/and rebuilding the resultant forms by hand and you are back to square one wondering why you have been buying all these upgrades every year. An aside from my personal observations: The current problem with the industry, as far as Microsoft is related, is that for every young student graduating from university with degrees in computer science maybe only one in thirty (50, more?...) is equiped to work with MS products. Young geeks have no money, so they learn programming and development on cheap and free products and that continues right through university as universities have no money either. The best students come out knowing how to program in C, PHP, Java, Ruby, Python, databases like MySQL, Postgress and Cassandra, on platforms like Linux and Unix and knowledge of only how to build web applications... Microsoft has stopped giving free introduction, training programs and access to their beta application at the universities. This is a problem for Microsoft if they want to be anything more than just sellers of their office products and the trainer of integrators, they are going to have to, again, be a lot more pro-active...just look at their competition. Jim -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Salakhetdinov Shamil Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2012 3:55 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: [AccessD] Light Table IDE (Vimeo.com) - Was:Re: HTML5 mobile-friendly web sites vs. native Hi Jim -- <<< Here is a link to?one of the many excellent IDEs which will have versions for all major language:?http://vimeo.com/40281991?within a couple of years (OSS of course) >>> Do you mean the Light Table IDE? Yes, AFAIS it promise to be a great tool to learn dynamic/scripting languages as JavaScript, Clojure, Python, HTML(5)/CSS(3) etc. AFAIU it's planned ?the first version of Light Table to be released next year May (http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/ibdknox/light-table?ref=NewsApr2612&utm _campaign=Apr26&utm_medium=email&utm_source=newsletter). Waiting for that ?Light Table IDE release what other ?simpler (IDE) tools one can use to get instant interpretation/execution of the code they write? I must note I wanted to write a simple private tool having a couple of windows with one to type code into and another one to instantly interpret/execute typed code... Thank you. -- Shamil P.S. I'd expect similar to Light Table IDE "instant interpretation/debugging" features will appear in the next release of MS Visual Studio - 2014? - it appears to the one of the most demanded IDE features for nowadays real life application development... From dbdoug at gmail.com Thu Sep 20 11:27:22 2012 From: dbdoug at gmail.com (Doug Steele) Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2012 09:27:22 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Light Table IDE (Vimeo.com) - Was:Re: HTML5 mobile-friendly web sites vs. native In-Reply-To: <93C0DC3DA5704FCD8068A15E764FF3C4@creativesystemdesigns.com> References: <11A1C8E2-DA85-4F1B-8C9D-902CAB611099@holly.arvixe.com> <1348138486.989633270@f295.mail.ru> <93C0DC3DA5704FCD8068A15E764FF3C4@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: Microsoft has a program called Dreamspark which gives free versions of software including Visual Studio, Expression Studio, Windows and Sql Server to anyone with a university email address. My daughter in law used it last year. I just checked and it appears to be current. Doug On Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 9:11 AM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > Hi Shamil: > > Right now, the best IDE for C# is Microsoft's offering. > > The prices are pretty high; from 1K for entrance level package and up to 5K > for the full-blown enterprise version. The packages may be well worth it > but > when getting any of them you are truly committed. If MS decides not to > allow > their package results to be compatible with the rest of the industry then a > developer may find themselves on a dead-end street or/and rebuilding the > resultant forms by hand and you are back to square one wondering why you > have been buying all these upgrades every year. > > An aside from my personal observations: The current problem with the > industry, as far as Microsoft is related, is that for every young student > graduating from university with degrees in computer science maybe only one > in thirty (50, more?...) is equiped to work with MS products. Young geeks > have no money, so they learn programming and development on cheap and free > products and that continues right through university as universities have > no > money either. The best students come out knowing how to program in C, PHP, > Java, Ruby, Python, databases like MySQL, Postgress and Cassandra, on > platforms like Linux and Unix and knowledge of only how to build web > applications... > > Microsoft has stopped giving free introduction, training programs and > access > to their beta application at the universities. This is a problem for > Microsoft if they want to be anything more than just sellers of their > office > products and the trainer of integrators, they are going to have to, again, > be a lot more pro-active...just look at their competition. > > Jim > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Salakhetdinov > Shamil > Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2012 3:55 AM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: [AccessD] Light Table IDE (Vimeo.com) - Was:Re: HTML5 > mobile-friendly web sites vs. native > > Hi Jim -- > > <<< > Here is a link to one of the many excellent IDEs which will have versions > for all major > language: http://vimeo.com/40281991 within a couple of years (OSS of > course) > >>> > Do you mean the Light Table IDE? Yes, AFAIS it promise to be a great tool > to > learn dynamic/scripting languages as JavaScript, Clojure, Python, > HTML(5)/CSS(3) etc. > AFAIU it's planned the first version of Light Table to be released next > year May > ( > http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/ibdknox/light-table?ref=NewsApr2612&utm > _campaign=Apr26&utm_medium=email&utm_source=newsletter). > > Waiting for that Light Table IDE release what other simpler (IDE) tools > one can use to get instant interpretation/execution of the code they write? > I must note I wanted to write a simple private tool having a couple of > windows with one to type code into and another one to instantly > interpret/execute typed code... > > Thank you. > > -- Shamil > > P.S. I'd expect similar to Light Table IDE "instant > interpretation/debugging" features will appear in the next release of MS > Visual Studio - 2014? - it appears to the one of the most demanded IDE > features for nowadays real life application development... > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From mcp2004 at mail.ru Thu Sep 20 11:45:58 2012 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=) Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2012 20:45:58 +0400 Subject: [AccessD] =?utf-8?q?Light_Table_IDE_=28Vimeo=2Ecom=29_-_Was=3ARe?= =?utf-8?q?=3A_HTML5_mobile-friendly_web_sites_vs=2E_native?= In-Reply-To: References: <93C0DC3DA5704FCD8068A15E764FF3C4@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: <1348159558.631912330@f359.mail.ru> Yes, Dreamspark Microsoft program ?works for students here too: http://www.dreamspark.ru/access.aspx and ?it gives also free access to Pluralsight online courses - I have recently got paid subscription for that courses and I like them a lot. And MS Office 2010 for students costs about USD100 here. Thank you. -- Shamil Thu, 20 Sep 2012 09:27:22 -0700 ?? Doug Steele : > > > > >Microsoft has a program called Dreamspark which gives free versions of > software including Visual Studio, Expression Studio, Windows and Sql Server > to anyone with a university email address. My daughter in law used it last > year. I just checked and it appears to be current. > > Doug > > On Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 9:11 AM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > > > Hi Shamil: > > > > Right now, the best IDE for C# is Microsoft's offering. > > > > The prices are pretty high; from 1K for entrance level package and up to 5K > > for the full-blown enterprise version. The packages may be well worth it > > but > > when getting any of them you are truly committed. If MS decides not to > > allow > > their package results to be compatible with the rest of the industry then a > > developer may find themselves on a dead-end street or/and rebuilding the > > resultant forms by hand and you are back to square one wondering why you > > have been buying all these upgrades every year. > > > > An aside from my personal observations: The current problem with the > > industry, as far as Microsoft is related, is that for every young student > > graduating from university with degrees in computer science maybe only one > > in thirty (50, more?...) is equiped to work with MS products. Young geeks > > have no money, so they learn programming and development on cheap and free > > products and that continues right through university as universities have > > no > > money either. The best students come out knowing how to program in C, PHP, > > Java, Ruby, Python, databases like MySQL, Postgress and Cassandra, on > > platforms like Linux and Unix and knowledge of only how to build web > > applications... > > > > Microsoft has stopped giving free introduction, training programs and > > access > > to their beta application at the universities. This is a problem for > > Microsoft if they want to be anything more than just sellers of their > > office > > products and the trainer of integrators, they are going to have to, again, > > be a lot more pro-active...just look at their competition. > > > > Jim ><<< skipped >>> From mcp2004 at mail.ru Thu Sep 20 11:59:13 2012 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=) Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2012 20:59:13 +0400 Subject: [AccessD] =?utf-8?q?Light_Table_IDE_=28Vimeo=2Ecom=29_-_Was=3ARe?= =?utf-8?q?=3A_HTML5_mobile-friendly_web_sites_vs=2E_native?= In-Reply-To: <93C0DC3DA5704FCD8068A15E764FF3C4@creativesystemdesigns.com> References: <11A1C8E2-DA85-4F1B-8C9D-902CAB611099@holly.arvixe.com> <1348138486.989633270@f295.mail.ru> <93C0DC3DA5704FCD8068A15E764FF3C4@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: <1348160353.776838213@f359.mail.ru> Hi Jim -- Yes, VS IDE for C# is very good - I do use it every day. But it lucks a feature which Light Table IDE is planning to "bring to the table" - dynamic interpretation/execution of the code you type in... And I was wondering - is there something like that "a la' Light Table" IDE - mainly for JavaScript? For C# quick prototyping/"snippeting" I do use LINQPad. For RegEx expressions developing and testing I do use RegEx Buddy. For Test Driven Development/Unit Testing I do use NUnit and TestDriven.NET. And for JavaScript and HTML(5)/CSS(3) development I'm missing a "dynamic interpretation tool" - do you know any? As for high price on MS development tools for students - Darryl mentioned DreamSpark MS Program, which is free for students. And for "chickens" - just out of college young developers if they were good at college and if they used Dreamspark program free development tools then they shouldn't have (?) problems to find a good job with MS development tools provided by their employees? Thank you. -- Shamil Thu, 20 Sep 2012 09:11:26 -0700 ?? "Jim Lawrence" : >Hi Shamil: > > Right now, the best IDE for C# is Microsoft's offering. > > The prices are pretty high; from 1K for entrance level package and up to 5K > for the full-blown enterprise version. The packages may be well worth it but > when getting any of them you are truly committed. If MS decides not to allow > their package results to be compatible with the rest of the industry then a > developer may find themselves on a dead-end street or/and rebuilding the > resultant forms by hand and you are back to square one wondering why you > have been buying all these upgrades every year. > > An aside from my personal observations: The current problem with the > industry, as far as Microsoft is related, is that for every young student > graduating from university with degrees in computer science maybe only one > in thirty (50, more?...) is equiped to work with MS products. Young geeks > have no money, so they learn programming and development on cheap and free > products and that continues right through university as universities have no > money either. The best students come out knowing how to program in C, PHP, > Java, Ruby, Python, databases like MySQL, Postgress and Cassandra, on > platforms like Linux and Unix and knowledge of only how to build web > applications... > > Microsoft has stopped giving free introduction, training programs and access > to their beta application at the universities. This is a problem for > Microsoft if they want to be anything more than just sellers of their office > products and the trainer of integrators, they are going to have to, again, > be a lot more pro-active...just look at their competition. > > Jim ><<< skipped >>> > From davidmcafee at gmail.com Thu Sep 20 12:02:24 2012 From: davidmcafee at gmail.com (David McAfee) Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2012 10:02:24 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Light Table IDE (Vimeo.com) - Was:Re: HTML5 mobile-friendly web sites vs. native In-Reply-To: <1348159558.631912330@f359.mail.ru> References: <93C0DC3DA5704FCD8068A15E764FF3C4@creativesystemdesigns.com> <1348159558.631912330@f359.mail.ru> Message-ID: I was just going to bring up Pluralsight. I am also learning HTML5, JqueryMobile, Knockout... too. There's a great SPA tutorial at: http://pluralsight.com/training/Courses/TableOfContents/spa David On Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 9:45 AM, Salakhetdinov Shamil wrote: > Yes, Dreamspark Microsoft program works for students here too: > > http://www.dreamspark.ru/access.aspx > > and it gives also free access to Pluralsight online courses - I have > recently got paid subscription for that courses and I like them a lot. > > And MS Office 2010 for students costs about USD100 here. > > Thank you. > > -- Shamil > > > Thu, 20 Sep 2012 09:27:22 -0700 ?? Doug Steele : > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Microsoft has a program called Dreamspark which gives free versions of > > > software including Visual Studio, Expression Studio, Windows and Sql Server > > > to anyone with a university email address. My daughter in law used it last > > > year. I just checked and it appears to be current. > > > > > Doug > > > > > On Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 9:11 AM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > > > > > > Hi Shamil: > > > > > > > > Right now, the best IDE for C# is Microsoft's offering. > > > > > > > > The prices are pretty high; from 1K for entrance level package and up to > 5K > > > > for the full-blown enterprise version. The packages may be well worth it > > > > but > > > > when getting any of them you are truly committed. If MS decides not to > > > > allow > > > > their package results to be compatible with the rest of the industry > then a > > > > developer may find themselves on a dead-end street or/and rebuilding the > > > > resultant forms by hand and you are back to square one wondering why you > > > > have been buying all these upgrades every year. > > > > > > > > An aside from my personal observations: The current problem with the > > > > industry, as far as Microsoft is related, is that for every young student > > > > graduating from university with degrees in computer science maybe only > one > > > > in thirty (50, more?...) is equiped to work with MS products. Young geeks > > > > have no money, so they learn programming and development on cheap and > free > > > > products and that continues right through university as universities have > > > > no > > > > money either. The best students come out knowing how to program in C, > PHP, > > > > Java, Ruby, Python, databases like MySQL, Postgress and Cassandra, on > > > > platforms like Linux and Unix and knowledge of only how to build web > > > > applications... > > > > > > > > Microsoft has stopped giving free introduction, training programs and > > > > access > > > > to their beta application at the universities. This is a problem for > > > > Microsoft if they want to be anything more than just sellers of their > > > > office > > > > products and the trainer of integrators, they are going to have to, > again, > > > > be a lot more pro-active...just look at their competition. > > > > > > > > Jim > ><<< skipped >>> > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From mcp2004 at mail.ru Thu Sep 20 12:08:16 2012 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=) Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2012 21:08:16 +0400 Subject: [AccessD] =?utf-8?q?Light_Table_IDE_=28Vimeo=2Ecom=29_-_Was=3ARe?= =?utf-8?q?=3A_HTML5_mobile-friendly_web_sites_vs=2E_native?= In-Reply-To: References: <1348159558.631912330@f359.mail.ru> <93C0DC3DA5704FCD8068A15E764FF3C4@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: <1348160896.220899632@f359.mail.ru> HI David -- Yes! (Trying to find time to get through this SPA course and some others...) Thank you. -- Shamil Thu, 20 Sep 2012 10:02:24 -0700 ?? David McAfee : > > > > >I was just going to bring up Pluralsight. > > I am also learning HTML5, JqueryMobile, Knockout... too. > > There's a great SPA tutorial at: >http://pluralsight.com/training/Courses/TableOfContents/spa > > > David > > > On Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 9:45 AM, Salakhetdinov Shamil wrote: > > > Yes, Dreamspark Microsoft program works for students here too: > > > > http://www.dreamspark.ru/access.aspx > > > > and it gives also free access to Pluralsight online courses - I have > > recently got paid subscription for that courses and I like them a lot. > > > > And MS Office 2010 for students costs about USD100 here. > > > > Thank you. > > > > -- Shamil > > > > > > Thu, 20 Sep 2012 09:27:22 -0700 ?? Doug Steele : > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Microsoft has a program called Dreamspark which gives free versions of > > > > > software including Visual Studio, Expression Studio, Windows and Sql Server > > > > > to anyone with a university email address. My daughter in law used it last > > > > > year. I just checked and it appears to be current. > > > > > > > > Doug > > > > > > > > On Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 9:11 AM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > > > > > > > > > Hi Shamil: > > > > > > > > > > > > Right now, the best IDE for C# is Microsoft's offering. > > > > > > > > > > > > The prices are pretty high; from 1K for entrance level package and up to > > 5K > > > > > > for the full-blown enterprise version. The packages may be well worth it > > > > > > but > > > > > > when getting any of them you are truly committed. If MS decides not to > > > > > > allow > > > > > > their package results to be compatible with the rest of the industry > > then a > > > > > > developer may find themselves on a dead-end street or/and rebuilding the > > > > > > resultant forms by hand and you are back to square one wondering why you > > > > > > have been buying all these upgrades every year. > > > > > > > > > > > > An aside from my personal observations: The current problem with the > > > > > > industry, as far as Microsoft is related, is that for every young student > > > > > > graduating from university with degrees in computer science maybe only > > one > > > > > > in thirty (50, more?...) is equiped to work with MS products. Young geeks > > > > > > have no money, so they learn programming and development on cheap and > > free > > > > > > products and that continues right through university as universities have > > > > > > no > > > > > > money either. The best students come out knowing how to program in C, > > PHP, > > > > > > Java, Ruby, Python, databases like MySQL, Postgress and Cassandra, on > > > > > > platforms like Linux and Unix and knowledge of only how to build web > > > > > > applications... > > > > > > > > > > > > Microsoft has stopped giving free introduction, training programs and > > > > > > access > > > > > > to their beta application at the universities. This is a problem for > > > > > > Microsoft if they want to be anything more than just sellers of their > > > > > > office > > > > > > products and the trainer of integrators, they are going to have to, > > again, > > > > > > be a lot more pro-active...just look at their competition. > > > > > > > > > > > > Jim > > ><<< skipped >>> > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- > AccessD mailing list >AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From davidmcafee at gmail.com Thu Sep 20 12:09:04 2012 From: davidmcafee at gmail.com (David McAfee) Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2012 10:09:04 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] What's the bug/problem with creating with Access 2010 and deploying to earlier users? Message-ID: Isn't there a bug where databases created in A2010 and are deployed to users with A2003-2007? The reason I ask is that I am getting a new computer at work that has Office 2010 installed. I mainly work with ADPs, and they are we created in Access 2000 (or in A2k Format). Is there even an issue? Thanks, David From john at winhaven.net Thu Sep 20 12:43:57 2012 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2012 12:43:57 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] What's the bug/problem with creating with Access 2010 and deploying to earlier users? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <012a01cd9757$830e3df0$892ab9d0$@winhaven.net> Hi David, I haven't seen any issues as long as the backend is compatible. Porting the FE to your version can present challenges of course but IMO not insurmountable. John B From davidmcafee at gmail.com Thu Sep 20 12:49:21 2012 From: davidmcafee at gmail.com (David McAfee) Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2012 10:49:21 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] What's the bug/problem with creating with Access 2010 and deploying to earlier users? In-Reply-To: <012a01cd9757$830e3df0$892ab9d0$@winhaven.net> References: <012a01cd9757$830e3df0$892ab9d0$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: Maybe it was for runtimes. I remember reading about it several times, but cannot find anything right now. D On Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 10:43 AM, John Bartow wrote: > Hi David, > I haven't seen any issues as long as the backend is compatible. Porting the > FE to your version can present challenges of course but IMO not > insurmountable. > > John B > From jeff.developer at gmail.com Thu Sep 20 12:53:46 2012 From: jeff.developer at gmail.com (Jeff B) Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2012 12:53:46 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] What's the bug/problem with creating with Access 2010 and deploying to earlier users? In-Reply-To: References: <012a01cd9757$830e3df0$892ab9d0$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: <007601cd9758$e2ca2ff0$a85e8fd0$@gmail.com> I know that I had some issues with the New Database Sort Order, it MUST be set to General - Legacy, but I think that is the only issue I have had. Of course I should also state that I have gone back to doing the majority of my work in Access 2007, as it was easier to do that than hope everything was backwards compatible. Jeff Barrows MCP, MCAD, MCSD ? Outbak Technologies, LLC Racine, WI jeff.developer at gmail.com -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of David McAfee Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2012 12:49 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] What's the bug/problem with creating with Access 2010 and deploying to earlier users? Maybe it was for runtimes. I remember reading about it several times, but cannot find anything right now. D On Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 10:43 AM, John Bartow wrote: > Hi David, > I haven't seen any issues as long as the backend is compatible. > Porting the FE to your version can present challenges of course but > IMO not insurmountable. > > John B > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From davidmcafee at gmail.com Thu Sep 20 12:59:46 2012 From: davidmcafee at gmail.com (David McAfee) Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2012 10:59:46 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] What's the bug/problem with creating with Access 2010 and deploying to earlier users? In-Reply-To: <007601cd9758$e2ca2ff0$a85e8fd0$@gmail.com> References: <012a01cd9757$830e3df0$892ab9d0$@winhaven.net> <007601cd9758$e2ca2ff0$a85e8fd0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: I think I'm going to start rewriting most of my ADPs as web apps. I just want to be sure that if I have to put out an update in the meantime, that I actually can. :) D On Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 10:53 AM, Jeff B wrote: > I know that I had some issues with the New Database Sort Order, it MUST be > set to General - Legacy, but I think that is the only issue I have had. Of > course I should also state that I have gone back to doing the majority of > my > work in Access 2007, as it was easier to do that than hope everything was > backwards compatible. > > Jeff Barrows > MCP, MCAD, MCSD > > Outbak Technologies, LLC > Racine, WI > jeff.developer at gmail.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of David McAfee > Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2012 12:49 PM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] What's the bug/problem with creating with Access > 2010 > and deploying to earlier users? > > Maybe it was for runtimes. > > I remember reading about it several times, but cannot find anything right > now. > > D > > On Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 10:43 AM, John Bartow wrote: > > > Hi David, > > I haven't seen any issues as long as the backend is compatible. > > Porting the FE to your version can present challenges of course but > > IMO not insurmountable. > > > > John B > From john at winhaven.net Thu Sep 20 13:31:26 2012 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2012 13:31:26 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] What's the bug/problem with creating with Access 2010 and deploying to earlier users? In-Reply-To: References: <012a01cd9757$830e3df0$892ab9d0$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: <014401cd975e$2535df60$6fa19e20$@winhaven.net> I don't have any A2k runtimes but do have some A2k3 and they seem fine. I use Wise/Sagekey install scripts. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of David McAfee Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2012 12:49 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] What's the bug/problem with creating with Access 2010 and deploying to earlier users? Maybe it was for runtimes. I remember reading about it several times, but cannot find anything right now. D On Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 10:43 AM, John Bartow wrote: > Hi David, > I haven't seen any issues as long as the backend is compatible. > Porting the FE to your version can present challenges of course but > IMO not insurmountable. > > John B > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From TSeptav at Uniserve.com Thu Sep 20 13:49:57 2012 From: TSeptav at Uniserve.com (Tony Septav) Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2012 13:49:57 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Ctrl Break Message-ID: <201209201850.q8KIo0op023340@databaseadvisors.com> Hey All On my new Dell machine on the keyboard I cannot find any Break key. On the older versions of keyboards I would always use to bust out of a code error message and jump to the spot it occurred. Is there an alternative? PS: Windows 7 is causing me more grieve then I ever expected. Thanks Tony Septav Nanaimo, BC Canada From steve at goodhall.info Thu Sep 20 13:56:10 2012 From: steve at goodhall.info (Steve Goodhall) Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2012 14:56:10 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Ctrl Break In-Reply-To: <201209201850.q8KIo0op023340@databaseadvisors.com> References: <201209201850.q8KIo0op023340@databaseadvisors.com> Message-ID: Does ctrl-c work? Steve Goodhall, MSCS, PMP -----Original message----- From: Tony Septav To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Sent: Thu, Sep 20, 2012 18:51:48 GMT+00:00 Subject: [AccessD] Ctrl Break Hey All On my new Dell machine on the keyboard I cannot find any Break key. On the older versions of keyboards I would always use to bust out of a code error message and jump to the spot it occurred. Is there an alternative? PS: Windows 7 is causing me more grieve then I ever expected. Thanks Tony Septav Nanaimo, BC Canada -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From TSeptav at Uniserve.com Thu Sep 20 14:01:46 2012 From: TSeptav at Uniserve.com (Tony Septav) Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2012 14:01:46 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Ctrl Break In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <201209201901.q8KJ1npQ029681@databaseadvisors.com> Hey Steve Nope, I have tried all kinds of CTRL combinations and I just do not get the needed affect. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Goodhall Sent: September-20-12 1:56 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problemsolving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Ctrl Break Does ctrl-c work? Steve Goodhall, MSCS, PMP -----Original message----- From: Tony Septav To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Sent: Thu, Sep 20, 2012 18:51:48 GMT+00:00 Subject: [AccessD] Ctrl Break Hey All On my new Dell machine on the keyboard I cannot find any Break key. On the older versions of keyboards I would always use to bust out of a code error message and jump to the spot it occurred. Is there an alternative? PS: Windows 7 is causing me more grieve then I ever expected. Thanks Tony Septav Nanaimo, BC Canada -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2221 / Virus Database: 2441/5281 - Release Date: 09/20/12 From sturner at mseco.com Thu Sep 20 14:06:30 2012 From: sturner at mseco.com (Steve Turner) Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2012 14:06:30 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Ctrl Break In-Reply-To: <201209201901.q8KJ1npQ029681@databaseadvisors.com> References: <201209201901.q8KJ1npQ029681@databaseadvisors.com> Message-ID: You don't have a pause break key to the right of the f keys? -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tony Septav Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2012 2:02 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Ctrl Break Hey Steve Nope, I have tried all kinds of CTRL combinations and I just do not get the needed affect. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Goodhall Sent: September-20-12 1:56 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problemsolving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Ctrl Break Does ctrl-c work? Steve Goodhall, MSCS, PMP -----Original message----- From: Tony Septav To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Sent: Thu, Sep 20, 2012 18:51:48 GMT+00:00 Subject: [AccessD] Ctrl Break Hey All On my new Dell machine on the keyboard I cannot find any Break key. On the older versions of keyboards I would always use to bust out of a code error message and jump to the spot it occurred. Is there an alternative? PS: Windows 7 is causing me more grieve then I ever expected. Thanks Tony Septav Nanaimo, BC Canada -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2221 / Virus Database: 2441/5281 - Release Date: 09/20/12 -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Thu Sep 20 14:22:04 2012 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2012 12:22:04 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Light Table IDE (Vimeo.com) - Was:Re: HTML5 mobile-friendly web sites vs. native In-Reply-To: References: <11A1C8E2-DA85-4F1B-8C9D-902CAB611099@holly.arvixe.com><1348138486.989633270@f295.mail.ru><93C0DC3DA5704FCD8068A15E764FF3C4@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: <74A027F5916A484B9F2F9651B6594259@creativesystemdesigns.com> That's good news... the program came out about five years ago and have not heard anything about it since. Got any links. Jim -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Doug Steele Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2012 9:27 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Light Table IDE (Vimeo.com) - Was:Re: HTML5 mobile-friendly web sites vs. native Microsoft has a program called Dreamspark which gives free versions of software including Visual Studio, Expression Studio, Windows and Sql Server to anyone with a university email address. My daughter in law used it last year. I just checked and it appears to be current. Doug On Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 9:11 AM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > Hi Shamil: > > Right now, the best IDE for C# is Microsoft's offering. > > The prices are pretty high; from 1K for entrance level package and up to 5K > for the full-blown enterprise version. The packages may be well worth it > but > when getting any of them you are truly committed. If MS decides not to > allow > their package results to be compatible with the rest of the industry then a > developer may find themselves on a dead-end street or/and rebuilding the > resultant forms by hand and you are back to square one wondering why you > have been buying all these upgrades every year. > > An aside from my personal observations: The current problem with the > industry, as far as Microsoft is related, is that for every young student > graduating from university with degrees in computer science maybe only one > in thirty (50, more?...) is equiped to work with MS products. Young geeks > have no money, so they learn programming and development on cheap and free > products and that continues right through university as universities have > no > money either. The best students come out knowing how to program in C, PHP, > Java, Ruby, Python, databases like MySQL, Postgress and Cassandra, on > platforms like Linux and Unix and knowledge of only how to build web > applications... > > Microsoft has stopped giving free introduction, training programs and > access > to their beta application at the universities. This is a problem for > Microsoft if they want to be anything more than just sellers of their > office > products and the trainer of integrators, they are going to have to, again, > be a lot more pro-active...just look at their competition. > > Jim > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Salakhetdinov > Shamil > Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2012 3:55 AM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: [AccessD] Light Table IDE (Vimeo.com) - Was:Re: HTML5 > mobile-friendly web sites vs. native > > Hi Jim -- > > <<< > Here is a link to one of the many excellent IDEs which will have versions > for all major > language: http://vimeo.com/40281991 within a couple of years (OSS of > course) > >>> > Do you mean the Light Table IDE? Yes, AFAIS it promise to be a great tool > to > learn dynamic/scripting languages as JavaScript, Clojure, Python, > HTML(5)/CSS(3) etc. > AFAIU it's planned the first version of Light Table to be released next > year May > ( > http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/ibdknox/light-table?ref=NewsApr2612&utm > _campaign=Apr26&utm_medium=email&utm_source=newsletter). > > Waiting for that Light Table IDE release what other simpler (IDE) tools > one can use to get instant interpretation/execution of the code they write? > I must note I wanted to write a simple private tool having a couple of > windows with one to type code into and another one to instantly > interpret/execute typed code... > > Thank you. > > -- Shamil > > P.S. I'd expect similar to Light Table IDE "instant > interpretation/debugging" features will appear in the next release of MS > Visual Studio - 2014? - it appears to the one of the most demanded IDE > features for nowadays real life application development... > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From TSeptav at Uniserve.com Thu Sep 20 14:24:34 2012 From: TSeptav at Uniserve.com (Tony Septav) Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2012 14:24:34 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Ctrl Break In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <201209201924.q8KJObMG011611@databaseadvisors.com> Hey Steve I have to first thank both of you Steves for responding. No again the companies keep dictating what you get, the Pause/Break key is gone. Suckered again with the punch. Tony Septav Nanaimo, BC Canada -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Turner Sent: September-20-12 2:07 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Ctrl Break You don't have a pause break key to the right of the f keys? -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tony Septav Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2012 2:02 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Ctrl Break Hey Steve Nope, I have tried all kinds of CTRL combinations and I just do not get the needed affect. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Goodhall Sent: September-20-12 1:56 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problemsolving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Ctrl Break Does ctrl-c work? Steve Goodhall, MSCS, PMP -----Original message----- From: Tony Septav To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Sent: Thu, Sep 20, 2012 18:51:48 GMT+00:00 Subject: [AccessD] Ctrl Break Hey All On my new Dell machine on the keyboard I cannot find any Break key. On the older versions of keyboards I would always use to bust out of a code error message and jump to the spot it occurred. Is there an alternative? PS: Windows 7 is causing me more grieve then I ever expected. Thanks Tony Septav Nanaimo, BC Canada -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2221 / Virus Database: 2441/5281 - Release Date: 09/20/12 -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2221 / Virus Database: 2441/5281 - Release Date: 09/20/12 From accessd at shaw.ca Thu Sep 20 14:34:07 2012 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2012 12:34:07 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Ctrl Break In-Reply-To: <201209201901.q8KJ1npQ029681@databaseadvisors.com> References: <201209201901.q8KJ1npQ029681@databaseadvisors.com> Message-ID: Then does the key or keys work? ...or are we talking about programming in Access? Jim -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tony Septav Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2012 12:02 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Ctrl Break Hey Steve Nope, I have tried all kinds of CTRL combinations and I just do not get the needed affect. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Goodhall Sent: September-20-12 1:56 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problemsolving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Ctrl Break Does ctrl-c work? Steve Goodhall, MSCS, PMP -----Original message----- From: Tony Septav To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Sent: Thu, Sep 20, 2012 18:51:48 GMT+00:00 Subject: [AccessD] Ctrl Break Hey All On my new Dell machine on the keyboard I cannot find any Break key. On the older versions of keyboards I would always use to bust out of a code error message and jump to the spot it occurred. Is there an alternative? PS: Windows 7 is causing me more grieve then I ever expected. Thanks Tony Septav Nanaimo, BC Canada -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2221 / Virus Database: 2441/5281 - Release Date: 09/20/12 -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From davidmcafee at gmail.com Thu Sep 20 14:43:23 2012 From: davidmcafee at gmail.com (David McAfee) Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2012 12:43:23 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Ctrl Break In-Reply-To: References: <201209201901.q8KJ1npQ029681@databaseadvisors.com> Message-ID: Swap the keyboard. Win 7 should still support the signal from the keyboard. On Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 12:34 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > Then does the key or keys work? > > ...or are we talking about programming in Access? > > Jim > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tony Septav > Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2012 12:02 PM > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Ctrl Break > > Hey Steve > Nope, I have tried all kinds of CTRL combinations and I just do not get the > needed affect. > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Goodhall > Sent: September-20-12 1:56 PM > To: Access Developers discussion and problemsolving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Ctrl Break > > Does ctrl-c work? > > Steve Goodhall, MSCS, PMP > > -----Original message----- > From: Tony Septav > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > > Sent: Thu, Sep 20, 2012 18:51:48 GMT+00:00 > Subject: [AccessD] Ctrl Break > > Hey All > > On my new Dell machine on the keyboard I cannot find any Break key. On the > older versions of keyboards I would always use to bust out of > a > code error message and jump to the spot it occurred. Is there an > alternative? > > > > PS: Windows 7 is causing me more grieve then I ever expected. > > > > Thanks > > Tony Septav > > Nanaimo, BC > > Canada > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2012.0.2221 / Virus Database: 2441/5281 - Release Date: 09/20/12 > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From sturner at mseco.com Thu Sep 20 14:44:30 2012 From: sturner at mseco.com (Steve Turner) Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2012 14:44:30 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Ctrl Break In-Reply-To: <201209201924.q8KJObMG011611@databaseadvisors.com> References: <201209201924.q8KJObMG011611@databaseadvisors.com> Message-ID: Have you tried your old keyboard it should still work. I got a new dell and I didn't like the light touch and one or two keys kept not working so I put the old one back on and things work fine. Oh are you on a laptop? Then you're up a creek I guess. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tony Septav Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2012 2:25 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Ctrl Break Hey Steve I have to first thank both of you Steves for responding. No again the companies keep dictating what you get, the Pause/Break key is gone. Suckered again with the punch. Tony Septav Nanaimo, BC Canada -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Turner Sent: September-20-12 2:07 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Ctrl Break You don't have a pause break key to the right of the f keys? -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tony Septav Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2012 2:02 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Ctrl Break Hey Steve Nope, I have tried all kinds of CTRL combinations and I just do not get the needed affect. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Goodhall Sent: September-20-12 1:56 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problemsolving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Ctrl Break Does ctrl-c work? Steve Goodhall, MSCS, PMP -----Original message----- From: Tony Septav To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Sent: Thu, Sep 20, 2012 18:51:48 GMT+00:00 Subject: [AccessD] Ctrl Break Hey All On my new Dell machine on the keyboard I cannot find any Break key. On the older versions of keyboards I would always use to bust out of a code error message and jump to the spot it occurred. Is there an alternative? PS: Windows 7 is causing me more grieve then I ever expected. Thanks Tony Septav Nanaimo, BC Canada -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2221 / Virus Database: 2441/5281 - Release Date: 09/20/12 -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2221 / Virus Database: 2441/5281 - Release Date: 09/20/12 -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From TSeptav at Uniserve.com Thu Sep 20 15:06:47 2012 From: TSeptav at Uniserve.com (Tony Septav) Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2012 15:06:47 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Ctrl Break In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <201209202006.q8KK6oB4003197@databaseadvisors.com> Hey Guys Thank You kindly. This is a new system. And does not exist on the new keyboard. I am not criticizing any of your comments. But ever since I bought this new Dell product with Windows 7 it has been one problem after another. My major problem is that there is no longer the option to do in Access 2003 to kill the Access error message and view what is causing the problem in my code. The thing is I do not want to try my old keyboard, and I do not want to talk to Dell's support people because I already told them I would never buy another of their products. I am asking you guys if you can give me some direction, that is all. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Turner Sent: September-20-12 2:45 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Ctrl Break Have you tried your old keyboard it should still work. I got a new dell and I didn't like the light touch and one or two keys kept not working so I put the old one back on and things work fine. Oh are you on a laptop? Then you're up a creek I guess. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tony Septav Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2012 2:25 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Ctrl Break Hey Steve I have to first thank both of you Steves for responding. No again the companies keep dictating what you get, the Pause/Break key is gone. Suckered again with the punch. Tony Septav Nanaimo, BC Canada -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Turner Sent: September-20-12 2:07 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Ctrl Break You don't have a pause break key to the right of the f keys? -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tony Septav Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2012 2:02 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Ctrl Break Hey Steve Nope, I have tried all kinds of CTRL combinations and I just do not get the needed affect. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Goodhall Sent: September-20-12 1:56 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problemsolving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Ctrl Break Does ctrl-c work? Steve Goodhall, MSCS, PMP -----Original message----- From: Tony Septav To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Sent: Thu, Sep 20, 2012 18:51:48 GMT+00:00 Subject: [AccessD] Ctrl Break Hey All On my new Dell machine on the keyboard I cannot find any Break key. On the older versions of keyboards I would always use to bust out of a code error message and jump to the spot it occurred. Is there an alternative? PS: Windows 7 is causing me more grieve then I ever expected. Thanks Tony Septav Nanaimo, BC Canada -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2221 / Virus Database: 2441/5281 - Release Date: 09/20/12 -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2221 / Virus Database: 2441/5281 - Release Date: 09/20/12 -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2221 / Virus Database: 2441/5281 - Release Date: 09/20/12 From davidmcafee at gmail.com Thu Sep 20 15:15:21 2012 From: davidmcafee at gmail.com (David McAfee) Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2012 13:15:21 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Ctrl Break In-Reply-To: <201209202006.q8KK6oB4003197@databaseadvisors.com> References: <201209202006.q8KK6oB4003197@databaseadvisors.com> Message-ID: Ctrl + Break still works in A2007 for me when I need to break long running queries. Doesn't OK/Enter/Cancel/Escape work for closing the dialog box that you are getting? On Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 1:06 PM, Tony Septav wrote: > Hey Guys > Thank You kindly. > This is a new system. And does not exist on the new keyboard. > I am not criticizing any of your comments. > But ever since I bought this new Dell product with Windows 7 it has been > one > problem after another. My major problem is that there is no longer the > option to do in Access 2003 to kill the Access error message > and view what is causing the problem in my code. > > The thing is I do not want to try my old keyboard, and I do not want to > talk to Dell's support people because I already told them I would never buy > another of their products. I am asking you guys if you can give me some > direction, that is all. > From jimdettman at verizon.net Thu Sep 20 15:20:32 2012 From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman) Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2012 16:20:32 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Ctrl Break In-Reply-To: <201209202006.q8KK6oB4003197@databaseadvisors.com> References: <201209202006.q8KK6oB4003197@databaseadvisors.com> Message-ID: <9A0987454EC94CA0BA876BC4CF81C011@XPS> It's not there on mine either. I've remapped the F10 using this: [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Control\Keyboard Layout] "Scancode Map"=hex:00,00,00,00,00,00,00,00,02,00,00,00,46,e0,44,00,00,00,00,00 Some have said this program works well: http://www.randyrants.com/2008/12/sharpkeys_30.html But I haven't tried it yet. Jim. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tony Septav Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2012 04:07 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Ctrl Break Hey Guys Thank You kindly. This is a new system. And does not exist on the new keyboard. I am not criticizing any of your comments. But ever since I bought this new Dell product with Windows 7 it has been one problem after another. My major problem is that there is no longer the option to do in Access 2003 to kill the Access error message and view what is causing the problem in my code. The thing is I do not want to try my old keyboard, and I do not want to talk to Dell's support people because I already told them I would never buy another of their products. I am asking you guys if you can give me some direction, that is all. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Turner Sent: September-20-12 2:45 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Ctrl Break Have you tried your old keyboard it should still work. I got a new dell and I didn't like the light touch and one or two keys kept not working so I put the old one back on and things work fine. Oh are you on a laptop? Then you're up a creek I guess. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tony Septav Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2012 2:25 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Ctrl Break Hey Steve I have to first thank both of you Steves for responding. No again the companies keep dictating what you get, the Pause/Break key is gone. Suckered again with the punch. Tony Septav Nanaimo, BC Canada -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Turner Sent: September-20-12 2:07 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Ctrl Break You don't have a pause break key to the right of the f keys? -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tony Septav Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2012 2:02 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Ctrl Break Hey Steve Nope, I have tried all kinds of CTRL combinations and I just do not get the needed affect. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Goodhall Sent: September-20-12 1:56 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problemsolving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Ctrl Break Does ctrl-c work? Steve Goodhall, MSCS, PMP -----Original message----- From: Tony Septav To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Sent: Thu, Sep 20, 2012 18:51:48 GMT+00:00 Subject: [AccessD] Ctrl Break Hey All On my new Dell machine on the keyboard I cannot find any Break key. On the older versions of keyboards I would always use to bust out of a code error message and jump to the spot it occurred. Is there an alternative? PS: Windows 7 is causing me more grieve then I ever expected. Thanks Tony Septav Nanaimo, BC Canada -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2221 / Virus Database: 2441/5281 - Release Date: 09/20/12 -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2221 / Virus Database: 2441/5281 - Release Date: 09/20/12 -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2221 / Virus Database: 2441/5281 - Release Date: 09/20/12 -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From sturner at mseco.com Thu Sep 20 15:20:47 2012 From: sturner at mseco.com (Steve Turner) Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2012 15:20:47 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Ctrl Break In-Reply-To: <201209202006.q8KK6oB4003197@databaseadvisors.com> References: <201209202006.q8KK6oB4003197@databaseadvisors.com> Message-ID: Sorry you're having trouble with your Dell. That's all we buy because they are reliable. I was running an OptiPlex 280 that was 7 years old and it still worked great. I upgraded to Access 2010 and ran it on XP. I'm not a code genius but I have to be able to get reports out of our timesheet database and I was reluctant to change computers because I also use a lot of Excel spreadsheet with macro's. I finally had to put in the new OptiPlex 990 with an I5 processor and 16gb of ram. WOOHOOO is it faster. I like speed. Windows 7 takes some getting used to but there are some nice things in it. Just have to learn how to find them. I'd tell dell to ship me a replacement keyboard with the Pause/Break key and send them the old one back. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tony Septav Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2012 3:07 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Ctrl Break Hey Guys Thank You kindly. This is a new system. And does not exist on the new keyboard. I am not criticizing any of your comments. But ever since I bought this new Dell product with Windows 7 it has been one problem after another. My major problem is that there is no longer the option to do in Access 2003 to kill the Access error message and view what is causing the problem in my code. The thing is I do not want to try my old keyboard, and I do not want to talk to Dell's support people because I already told them I would never buy another of their products. I am asking you guys if you can give me some direction, that is all. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Turner Sent: September-20-12 2:45 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Ctrl Break Have you tried your old keyboard it should still work. I got a new dell and I didn't like the light touch and one or two keys kept not working so I put the old one back on and things work fine. Oh are you on a laptop? Then you're up a creek I guess. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tony Septav Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2012 2:25 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Ctrl Break Hey Steve I have to first thank both of you Steves for responding. No again the companies keep dictating what you get, the Pause/Break key is gone. Suckered again with the punch. Tony Septav Nanaimo, BC Canada -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Turner Sent: September-20-12 2:07 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Ctrl Break You don't have a pause break key to the right of the f keys? -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tony Septav Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2012 2:02 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Ctrl Break Hey Steve Nope, I have tried all kinds of CTRL combinations and I just do not get the needed affect. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Goodhall Sent: September-20-12 1:56 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problemsolving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Ctrl Break Does ctrl-c work? Steve Goodhall, MSCS, PMP -----Original message----- From: Tony Septav To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Sent: Thu, Sep 20, 2012 18:51:48 GMT+00:00 Subject: [AccessD] Ctrl Break Hey All On my new Dell machine on the keyboard I cannot find any Break key. On the older versions of keyboards I would always use to bust out of a code error message and jump to the spot it occurred. Is there an alternative? PS: Windows 7 is causing me more grieve then I ever expected. Thanks Tony Septav Nanaimo, BC Canada -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2221 / Virus Database: 2441/5281 - Release Date: 09/20/12 -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2221 / Virus Database: 2441/5281 - Release Date: 09/20/12 -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2221 / Virus Database: 2441/5281 - Release Date: 09/20/12 -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Thu Sep 20 15:29:12 2012 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2012 13:29:12 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Ctrl Break In-Reply-To: <201209201901.q8KJ1npQ029681@databaseadvisors.com> References: <201209201901.q8KJ1npQ029681@databaseadvisors.com> Message-ID: I have a Dell laptop - same problem. Did all the research - dead end. I was told that no - they don't have a Break key and no KB shortcut or other combination. Hopefully someone will come up with something here. It makes the machine perfectly useless for development. R -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tony Septav Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2012 12:02 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Ctrl Break Hey Steve Nope, I have tried all kinds of CTRL combinations and I just do not get the needed affect. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Goodhall Sent: September-20-12 1:56 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problemsolving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Ctrl Break Does ctrl-c work? Steve Goodhall, MSCS, PMP -----Original message----- From: Tony Septav To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Sent: Thu, Sep 20, 2012 18:51:48 GMT+00:00 Subject: [AccessD] Ctrl Break Hey All On my new Dell machine on the keyboard I cannot find any Break key. On the older versions of keyboards I would always use to bust out of a code error message and jump to the spot it occurred. Is there an alternative? PS: Windows 7 is causing me more grieve then I ever expected. Thanks Tony Septav Nanaimo, BC Canada -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2221 / Virus Database: 2441/5281 - Release Date: 09/20/12 -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From rls at WeBeDb.com Thu Sep 20 15:47:37 2012 From: rls at WeBeDb.com (Robert Stewart) Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2012 15:47:37 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] WPF Development In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <703ADF7B-2AF0-498E-9633-7FBCFFAE1C8D@holly.arvixe.com> Absolutely disagree. Haliburton and some other major corps here in the Houston area are all going to it to replace Win Form apps. If you look deeper into it, you will see the difference in the power and the ability of the user interface. Personally, WPF will beat WinForms hands down. As for learning it. There is an excellent book that will take you into the depths of it, Applications = Code + Markup: A Guide to the Microsoft? Windows? Presentation Foundation I use WPF, EF, Linq, and SQL Server. At 06:52 PM 9/19/2012, you wrote: >Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2012 15:07:17 -0500 >From: "Dan Waters" >To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" > >Subject: Re: [AccessD] WPF Development (was: HTML5 mobile-friendly web > sites vs. native) >Message-ID: <003d01cd96a2$5ed2e400$1c78ac00$@comcast.net> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > >Hi Robert, > >I have just started developing with WinForms / LinQ to SQL / SQL Server. I >bought a book and read about WPF and it seemed like the wrong mechanism for >straightforward internal business applications. Would you agree/disagree? >How did you go about learning WPF? > >Thanks! >Dan Robert L. Stewart Any fool can write code that a computer can understand. Good programmers write code that humans can understand. --Martin Fowler www.WeBeDb.com www.DBGUIDesign.com www.RLStewartPhotography.com From steve at goodhall.info Thu Sep 20 15:49:12 2012 From: steve at goodhall.info (Steve Goodhall) Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2012 16:49:12 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Ctrl Break In-Reply-To: <201209201901.q8KJ1npQ029681@databaseadvisors.com> References: <201209201901.q8KJ1npQ029681@databaseadvisors.com> Message-ID: <01b6413e-48c8-4b1c-ab04-b0debe1df10d@blur> I think that some keyboards have a weird combination with F12 for break. I will see what I can find on it tonight. Steve Goodhall, MSCS, PMP -----Original message----- From: Tony Septav To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Sent: Thu, Sep 20, 2012 19:03:48 GMT+00:00 Subject: Re: [AccessD] Ctrl Break Hey Steve Nope, I have tried all kinds of CTRL combinations and I just do not get the needed affect. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Goodhall Sent: September-20-12 1:56 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problemsolving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Ctrl Break Does ctrl-c work? Steve Goodhall, MSCS, PMP -----Original message----- From: Tony Septav To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Sent: Thu, Sep 20, 2012 18:51:48 GMT+00:00 Subject: [AccessD] Ctrl Break Hey All On my new Dell machine on the keyboard I cannot find any Break key. On the older versions of keyboards I would always use to bust out of a code error message and jump to the spot it occurred. Is there an alternative? PS: Windows 7 is causing me more grieve then I ever expected. Thanks Tony Septav Nanaimo, BC Canada -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2221 / Virus Database: 2441/5281 - Release Date: 09/20/12 -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From rls at WeBeDb.com Thu Sep 20 16:00:31 2012 From: rls at WeBeDb.com (Robert Stewart) Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2012 16:00:31 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Light Table IDE In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <33000911-0F07-40EC-82D0-AF15DEC2C99F@holly.arvixe.com> I guess that none of you ever heard of the "Express" versions of VB, C#, Web Developer, and SQL Server, all of which are FREE. The real cost is your time and energy. If you want to learn it and want to put in the time and energy. the jobs and work is out there for it. I guess I have been sheltered. The only companies than used other than Windows for an operating system were using Unix for their Oracle databases. At 11:11 AM 9/20/2012, you wrote: >Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2012 09:11:26 -0700 >From: "Jim Lawrence" >To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" > >Subject: Re: [AccessD] Light Table IDE (Vimeo.com) - Was:Re: HTML5 > mobile-friendly web sites vs. native >Message-ID: > <93C0DC3DA5704FCD8068A15E764FF3C4 at creativesystemdesigns.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > >Hi Shamil: > >Right now, the best IDE for C# is Microsoft's offering. > >The prices are pretty high; from 1K for entrance level package and up to 5K >for the full-blown enterprise version. The packages may be well worth it but >when getting any of them you are truly committed. If MS decides not to allow >their package results to be compatible with the rest of the industry then a >developer may find themselves on a dead-end street or/and rebuilding the >resultant forms by hand and you are back to square one wondering why you >have been buying all these upgrades every year. > >An aside from my personal observations: The current problem with the >industry, as far as Microsoft is related, is that for every young student >graduating from university with degrees in computer science maybe only one >in thirty (50, more?...) is equiped to work with MS products. Young geeks >have no money, so they learn programming and development on cheap and free >products and that continues right through university as universities have no >money either. The best students come out knowing how to program in C, PHP, >Java, Ruby, Python, databases like MySQL, Postgress and Cassandra, on >platforms like Linux and Unix and knowledge of only how to build web >applications... > >Microsoft has stopped giving free introduction, training programs and access >to their beta application at the universities. This is a problem for >Microsoft if they want to be anything more than just sellers of their office >products and the trainer of integrators, they are going to have to, again, >be a lot more pro-active...just look at their competition. > >Jim Robert L. Stewart Any fool can write code that a computer can understand. Good programmers write code that humans can understand. --Martin Fowler www.WeBeDb.com www.DBGUIDesign.com www.RLStewartPhotography.com From TSeptav at Uniserve.com Thu Sep 20 16:02:27 2012 From: TSeptav at Uniserve.com (Tony Septav) Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2012 16:02:27 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Ctrl Break In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <201209202102.q8KL2VcJ003669@databaseadvisors.com> Hey Rocky et All I just pisses me off when a hardware company and now along with MS can start changing things and saying "Hey to bad, live with it". I contacted Dell and mentioned my problem and they gave me the salesman's response "Sorry Sir that is how it is". They said feel free to return the unit at no cost and I said but I have already spent a week installing everything and I am up and running, what do think I am a "jelly fish", that is when I told them to FO and also mentioned no wonder your stocks are down 18%. The little guy always get screwed. Tony Septav Nanaimo, BC Canada -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: September-20-12 3:29 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Ctrl Break I have a Dell laptop - same problem. Did all the research - dead end. I was told that no - they don't have a Break key and no KB shortcut or other combination. Hopefully someone will come up with something here. It makes the machine perfectly useless for development. R -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tony Septav Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2012 12:02 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Ctrl Break Hey Steve Nope, I have tried all kinds of CTRL combinations and I just do not get the needed affect. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Goodhall Sent: September-20-12 1:56 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problemsolving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Ctrl Break Does ctrl-c work? Steve Goodhall, MSCS, PMP -----Original message----- From: Tony Septav To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Sent: Thu, Sep 20, 2012 18:51:48 GMT+00:00 Subject: [AccessD] Ctrl Break Hey All On my new Dell machine on the keyboard I cannot find any Break key. On the older versions of keyboards I would always use to bust out of a code error message and jump to the spot it occurred. Is there an alternative? PS: Windows 7 is causing me more grieve then I ever expected. Thanks Tony Septav Nanaimo, BC Canada -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2221 / Virus Database: 2441/5281 - Release Date: 09/20/12 -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2221 / Virus Database: 2441/5281 - Release Date: 09/20/12 From davidmcafee at gmail.com Thu Sep 20 16:10:15 2012 From: davidmcafee at gmail.com (David McAfee) Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2012 14:10:15 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Ctrl Break In-Reply-To: <201209202102.q8KL2VcJ003669@databaseadvisors.com> References: <201209202102.q8KL2VcJ003669@databaseadvisors.com> Message-ID: Why don't you plug your old keyboard in? Or go buy another keyboard, such as a Logitech or MS Natural? On Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 2:02 PM, Tony Septav wrote: > Hey Rocky et All > I just pisses me off when a hardware company and now along with MS can > start > changing things and saying "Hey to bad, live with it". I contacted Dell and > mentioned my problem and they gave me the salesman's response "Sorry Sir > that is how it is". They said feel free to return the unit at no cost and I > said but I have already spent a week installing everything and I am up and > running, what do think I am a "jelly fish", that is when I told them to FO > and also mentioned no wonder your stocks are down 18%. > The little guy always get screwed. > > Tony Septav > Nanaimo, BC > Canada > From hans.andersen at phulse.com Thu Sep 20 16:31:37 2012 From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen) Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2012 14:31:37 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Light Table IDE In-Reply-To: <33000911-0F07-40EC-82D0-AF15DEC2C99F@holly.arvixe.com> References: <33000911-0F07-40EC-82D0-AF15DEC2C99F@holly.arvixe.com> Message-ID: <1A808D8C-F7E3-4BEA-816B-BF275C7244E8@phulse.com> Hasn't Microsoft announced that there will no longer be express versions of visual studio that supports c# etc and it only allows metro app development? (Meaning you'd have to stick to an older version of visual studio) Is VS really the best IDE out there? It has some neat features and its really helpful to novice programmers, who need a lot of hand holding, but personally I prefer my ide to be minimalist, with light memory footprint and fast. I'll do source control and compiling via the command line thank you very much. I prefer something like sublime or even just straight to vim/nano. - Hans On 2012-09-20, at 2:00 PM, Robert Stewart wrote: > I guess that none of you ever heard of the "Express" versions of VB, C#, Web > Developer, and SQL Server, all of which are FREE. > > The real cost is your time and energy. If you want to learn it and want to > put in the time and energy. the jobs and work is out there for it. > > I guess I have been sheltered. The only companies than used other than > Windows for an operating system were using Unix for their Oracle databases. > > > > At 11:11 AM 9/20/2012, you wrote: >> Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2012 09:11:26 -0700 >> From: "Jim Lawrence" >> To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" >> >> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Light Table IDE (Vimeo.com) - Was:Re: HTML5 >> mobile-friendly web sites vs. native >> Message-ID: >> <93C0DC3DA5704FCD8068A15E764FF3C4 at creativesystemdesigns.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >> >> Hi Shamil: >> >> Right now, the best IDE for C# is Microsoft's offering. >> >> The prices are pretty high; from 1K for entrance level package and up to 5K >> for the full-blown enterprise version. The packages may be well worth it but >> when getting any of them you are truly committed. If MS decides not to allow >> their package results to be compatible with the rest of the industry then a >> developer may find themselves on a dead-end street or/and rebuilding the >> resultant forms by hand and you are back to square one wondering why you >> have been buying all these upgrades every year. >> >> An aside from my personal observations: The current problem with the >> industry, as far as Microsoft is related, is that for every young student >> graduating from university with degrees in computer science maybe only one >> in thirty (50, more?...) is equiped to work with MS products. Young geeks >> have no money, so they learn programming and development on cheap and free >> products and that continues right through university as universities have no >> money either. The best students come out knowing how to program in C, PHP, >> Java, Ruby, Python, databases like MySQL, Postgress and Cassandra, on >> platforms like Linux and Unix and knowledge of only how to build web >> applications... >> >> Microsoft has stopped giving free introduction, training programs and access >> to their beta application at the universities. This is a problem for >> Microsoft if they want to be anything more than just sellers of their office >> products and the trainer of integrators, they are going to have to, again, >> be a lot more pro-active...just look at their competition. >> >> Jim > > Robert L. Stewart > > Any fool can write code that a computer can understand. Good programmers write code that humans can understand. --Martin Fowler > > www.WeBeDb.com > www.DBGUIDesign.com > www.RLStewartPhotography.com -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From charlotte.foust at gmail.com Thu Sep 20 16:32:11 2012 From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust) Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2012 14:32:11 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Ctrl Break In-Reply-To: <201209201850.q8KIo0op023340@databaseadvisors.com> References: <201209201850.q8KIo0op023340@databaseadvisors.com> Message-ID: Not just Dell. I have a Microsoft Arc keyboard (small, wireless, handy) that requires the use of a special function key with one of the poorly marked f keys to accomplish , so it takes two hands and extraordinary eyesight! Charlotte On Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 11:49 AM, Tony Septav wrote: > Hey All > > On my new Dell machine on the keyboard I cannot find any Break key. On the > older versions of keyboards I would always use to bust out of > a > code error message and jump to the spot it occurred. Is there an > alternative? > > > > PS: Windows 7 is causing me more grieve then I ever expected. > > > > Thanks > > Tony Septav > > Nanaimo, BC > > Canada > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From TSeptav at Uniserve.com Thu Sep 20 16:34:17 2012 From: TSeptav at Uniserve.com (Tony Septav) Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2012 16:34:17 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Ctrl Break In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <201209202134.q8KLYMB6022236@databaseadvisors.com> Hey David Why don't you plug your old keyboard in? Or go buy another keyboard, such as a Logitech or MS Natural? ------------------ Yes I can do that and probably will have to, one way or the other. But I bought a product and how dare they change the rules and insinuate it is my fault and my problem. Sorry Guys I am not a hot head but when I see this crap coming from MS and DELL it makes my blood boil. Really I would like to take em down and take em down good. Reality not likely. Ahhhh we are not going to change anything, they are bigger powers than us. Thanks for letting me vent. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of David McAfee Sent: September-20-12 4:10 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Ctrl Break Why don't you plug your old keyboard in? Or go buy another keyboard, such as a Logitech or MS Natural? On Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 2:02 PM, Tony Septav wrote: > Hey Rocky et All > I just pisses me off when a hardware company and now along with MS can > start > changing things and saying "Hey to bad, live with it". I contacted Dell and > mentioned my problem and they gave me the salesman's response "Sorry Sir > that is how it is". They said feel free to return the unit at no cost and I > said but I have already spent a week installing everything and I am up and > running, what do think I am a "jelly fish", that is when I told them to FO > and also mentioned no wonder your stocks are down 18%. > The little guy always get screwed. > > Tony Septav > Nanaimo, BC > Canada > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2221 / Virus Database: 2441/5281 - Release Date: 09/20/12 From charlotte.foust at gmail.com Thu Sep 20 16:37:34 2012 From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust) Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2012 14:37:34 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Ctrl Break In-Reply-To: <201209202134.q8KLYMB6022236@databaseadvisors.com> References: <201209202134.q8KLYMB6022236@databaseadvisors.com> Message-ID: Feel better now? ;-) Charlotte On Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 2:34 PM, Tony Septav wrote: > Hey David > > Why don't you plug your old keyboard in? Or go buy another keyboard, such > as > a Logitech or MS Natural? > > ------------------ > > Yes I can do that and probably will have to, one way or the other. But I > bought a product and how dare they change the rules and insinuate it is my > fault and my problem. > > > > Sorry Guys I am not a hot head but when I see this crap coming from MS and > DELL it makes my blood boil. Really I would like to take em down and take > em > down good. Reality not likely. Ahhhh we are not going to change anything, > they are bigger powers than us. > > > > Thanks for letting me vent. > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of David McAfee > Sent: September-20-12 4:10 PM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Ctrl Break > > > > Why don't you plug your old keyboard in? Or go buy another keyboard, such > > as a Logitech or MS Natural? > > > > > > On Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 2:02 PM, Tony Septav wrote: > > > > > Hey Rocky et All > > > I just pisses me off when a hardware company and now along with MS can > > > start > > > changing things and saying "Hey to bad, live with it". I contacted Dell > and > > > mentioned my problem and they gave me the salesman's response "Sorry Sir > > > that is how it is". They said feel free to return the unit at no cost and > I > > > said but I have already spent a week installing everything and I am up > and > > > running, what do think I am a "jelly fish", that is when I told them to > FO > > > and also mentioned no wonder your stocks are down 18%. > > > The little guy always get screwed. > > > > > > Tony Septav > > > Nanaimo, BC > > > Canada > > > > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > ----- > > No virus found in this message. > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > Version: 2012.0.2221 / Virus Database: 2441/5281 - Release Date: 09/20/12 > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From steve at goodhall.info Thu Sep 20 16:48:01 2012 From: steve at goodhall.info (Steve Goodhall) Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2012 17:48:01 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Ctrl Break In-Reply-To: <01b6413e-48c8-4b1c-ab04-b0debe1df10d@blur> References: <201209201901.q8KJ1npQ029681@databaseadvisors.com> <01b6413e-48c8-4b1c-ab04-b0debe1df10d@blur> Message-ID: Try ctrl-function-F12. See http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Where_is_the_break_key_on_a_Dell_E6410_keyboard Steve Goodhall, MSCS, PMP -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Goodhall Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2012 4:49 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Ctrl Break I think that some keyboards have a weird combination with F12 for break. I will see what I can find on it tonight. Steve Goodhall, MSCS, PMP -----Original message----- From: Tony Septav To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Sent: Thu, Sep 20, 2012 19:03:48 GMT+00:00 Subject: Re: [AccessD] Ctrl Break Hey Steve Nope, I have tried all kinds of CTRL combinations and I just do not get the needed affect. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Goodhall Sent: September-20-12 1:56 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problemsolving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Ctrl Break Does ctrl-c work? Steve Goodhall, MSCS, PMP -----Original message----- From: Tony Septav To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Sent: Thu, Sep 20, 2012 18:51:48 GMT+00:00 Subject: [AccessD] Ctrl Break Hey All On my new Dell machine on the keyboard I cannot find any Break key. On the older versions of keyboards I would always use to bust out of a code error message and jump to the spot it occurred. Is there an alternative? PS: Windows 7 is causing me more grieve then I ever expected. Thanks Tony Septav Nanaimo, BC Canada -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2221 / Virus Database: 2441/5281 - Release Date: 09/20/12 -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From davidmcafee at gmail.com Thu Sep 20 16:49:24 2012 From: davidmcafee at gmail.com (David McAfee) Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2012 14:49:24 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Ctrl Break In-Reply-To: <201209202134.q8KLYMB6022236@databaseadvisors.com> References: <201209202134.q8KLYMB6022236@databaseadvisors.com> Message-ID: Sign of the times. They were keys from the old DOS days. The majority of programs don't use those keys anymore. Most Dells don't come with floppies, or even CD drives anymore either. On Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 2:34 PM, Tony Septav wrote: > Hey David > > Why don't you plug your old keyboard in? Or go buy another keyboard, such > as > a Logitech or MS Natural? > > ------------------ > > Yes I can do that and probably will have to, one way or the other. But I > bought a product and how dare they change the rules and insinuate it is my > fault and my problem. > > > > Sorry Guys I am not a hot head but when I see this crap coming from MS and > DELL it makes my blood boil. Really I would like to take em down and take > em > down good. Reality not likely. Ahhhh we are not going to change anything, > they are bigger powers than us. > > > > Thanks for letting me vent. > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of David McAfee > Sent: September-20-12 4:10 PM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Ctrl Break > > > > Why don't you plug your old keyboard in? Or go buy another keyboard, such > > as a Logitech or MS Natural? > > > > > > On Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 2:02 PM, Tony Septav wrote: > > > > > Hey Rocky et All > > > I just pisses me off when a hardware company and now along with MS can > > > start > > > changing things and saying "Hey to bad, live with it". I contacted Dell > and > > > mentioned my problem and they gave me the salesman's response "Sorry Sir > > > that is how it is". They said feel free to return the unit at no cost and > I > > > said but I have already spent a week installing everything and I am up > and > > > running, what do think I am a "jelly fish", that is when I told them to > FO > > > and also mentioned no wonder your stocks are down 18%. > > > The little guy always get screwed. > > > > > > Tony Septav > > > Nanaimo, BC > > > Canada > > > > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > ----- > > No virus found in this message. > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > Version: 2012.0.2221 / Virus Database: 2441/5281 - Release Date: 09/20/12 > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From dbdoug at gmail.com Thu Sep 20 17:14:51 2012 From: dbdoug at gmail.com (Doug Steele) Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2012 15:14:51 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Ctrl Break In-Reply-To: References: <201209202134.q8KLYMB6022236@databaseadvisors.com> Message-ID: This is a bit of a kludge, but I use it in Windows on my Macbook - there is a utility program called OSB.exe (for 'On Screen Keyboard') that comes with windows 7. It gives you a mouse-clickable image of an old style keyboard. Doug On Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 2:49 PM, David McAfee wrote: > Sign of the times. > > They were keys from the old DOS days. > > The majority of programs don't use those keys anymore. > > Most Dells don't come with floppies, or even CD drives anymore either. > > > On Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 2:34 PM, Tony Septav wrote: > > > Hey David > > > > Why don't you plug your old keyboard in? Or go buy another keyboard, such > > as > > a Logitech or MS Natural? > > > > ------------------ > > > > Yes I can do that and probably will have to, one way or the other. But I > > bought a product and how dare they change the rules and insinuate it is > my > > fault and my problem. > > > > > > > > Sorry Guys I am not a hot head but when I see this crap coming from MS > and > > DELL it makes my blood boil. Really I would like to take em down and take > > em > > down good. Reality not likely. Ahhhh we are not going to change anything, > > they are bigger powers than us. > > > > > > > > Thanks for letting me vent. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of David McAfee > > Sent: September-20-12 4:10 PM > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Ctrl Break > > > > > > > > Why don't you plug your old keyboard in? Or go buy another keyboard, such > > > > as a Logitech or MS Natural? > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 2:02 PM, Tony Septav > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Hey Rocky et All > > > > > I just pisses me off when a hardware company and now along with MS can > > > > > start > > > > > changing things and saying "Hey to bad, live with it". I contacted Dell > > and > > > > > mentioned my problem and they gave me the salesman's response "Sorry > Sir > > > > > that is how it is". They said feel free to return the unit at no cost > and > > I > > > > > said but I have already spent a week installing everything and I am up > > and > > > > > running, what do think I am a "jelly fish", that is when I told them to > > FO > > > > > and also mentioned no wonder your stocks are down 18%. > > > > > The little guy always get screwed. > > > > > > > > > > Tony Septav > > > > > Nanaimo, BC > > > > > Canada > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > AccessD mailing list > > > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- > > > > No virus found in this message. > > > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > > > Version: 2012.0.2221 / Virus Database: 2441/5281 - Release Date: 09/20/12 > > > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From accessd at shaw.ca Thu Sep 20 17:58:39 2012 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2012 15:58:39 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Light Table IDE (Vimeo.com) - Was:Re: HTML5 mobile-friendly web sites vs. native In-Reply-To: <1348160353.776838213@f359.mail.ru> References: <11A1C8E2-DA85-4F1B-8C9D-902CAB611099@holly.arvixe.com><1348138486.989633270@f295.mail.ru><93C0DC3DA5704FCD8068A15E764FF3C4@creativesystemdesigns.com> <1348160353.776838213@f359.mail.ru> Message-ID: <486E3539FC554C09817163CB9850A787@creativesystemdesigns.com> Hi Shamil: I have used the 1stJavaScript editor: (http://www.yaldex.com/JSFactory_Pro.htm) but the older version was not very stable running on Windows7 so I have ended working in it and have been just coding with the Programmer's NotePad (http://sourceforge.net/projects/pnotepad/) as it is fast easy and I know most of the basic stuff. Then there is Macromedia Dreamweaver, which is a combination HTML/CSS/JavaScript webpage editor. It is good for testing and building database connectors while building and testing WebPages and allows you to resolve simpler browser incompatibility issues. I have built a lot of webpage using this product over the years. Last time I checked it was around $400.00 to $1K for the premium version. (Even though I am using an older version I have always liked this package.) http://www.adobe.com/ca/products/dreamweaver.html What I particularly like is that the package integrates so well with graphics which is so much a part of doing and completing professional websites. Jim -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Salakhetdinov Shamil Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2012 9:59 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Light Table IDE (Vimeo.com) - Was:Re: HTML5 mobile-friendly web sites vs. native Hi Jim -- Yes, VS IDE for C# is very good - I do use it every day. But it lucks a feature which Light Table IDE is planning to "bring to the table" - dynamic interpretation/execution of the code you type in... And I was wondering - is there something like that "a la' Light Table" IDE - mainly for JavaScript? For C# quick prototyping/"snippeting" I do use LINQPad. For RegEx expressions developing and testing I do use RegEx Buddy. For Test Driven Development/Unit Testing I do use NUnit and TestDriven.NET. And for JavaScript and HTML(5)/CSS(3) development I'm missing a "dynamic interpretation tool" - do you know any? As for high price on MS development tools for students - Darryl mentioned DreamSpark MS Program, which is free for students. And for "chickens" - just out of college young developers if they were good at college and if they used Dreamspark program free development tools then they shouldn't have (?) problems to find a good job with MS development tools provided by their employees? Thank you. -- Shamil From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Thu Sep 20 18:29:16 2012 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2012 16:29:16 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Ctrl Break In-Reply-To: References: <201209201901.q8KJ1npQ029681@databaseadvisors.com><01b6413e-48c8-4b1c-ab04-b0debe1df10d@blur> Message-ID: <13ACDA8D97AD43039DEDB666090106E5@HAL9007> Doesn't work on my Inspiron. :( Rocky -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Goodhall Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2012 2:48 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Ctrl Break Try ctrl-function-F12. See http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Where_is_the_break_key_on_a_Dell_E6410_keyboard Steve Goodhall, MSCS, PMP -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Goodhall Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2012 4:49 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Ctrl Break I think that some keyboards have a weird combination with F12 for break. I will see what I can find on it tonight. Steve Goodhall, MSCS, PMP -----Original message----- From: Tony Septav To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Sent: Thu, Sep 20, 2012 19:03:48 GMT+00:00 Subject: Re: [AccessD] Ctrl Break Hey Steve Nope, I have tried all kinds of CTRL combinations and I just do not get the needed affect. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Goodhall Sent: September-20-12 1:56 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problemsolving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Ctrl Break Does ctrl-c work? Steve Goodhall, MSCS, PMP -----Original message----- From: Tony Septav To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Sent: Thu, Sep 20, 2012 18:51:48 GMT+00:00 Subject: [AccessD] Ctrl Break Hey All On my new Dell machine on the keyboard I cannot find any Break key. On the older versions of keyboards I would always use to bust out of a code error message and jump to the spot it occurred. Is there an alternative? PS: Windows 7 is causing me more grieve then I ever expected. Thanks Tony Septav Nanaimo, BC Canada -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2221 / Virus Database: 2441/5281 - Release Date: 09/20/12 -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au Thu Sep 20 19:29:38 2012 From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins) Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2012 00:29:38 +0000 Subject: [AccessD] Ctrl Break In-Reply-To: <01b6413e-48c8-4b1c-ab04-b0debe1df10d@blur> References: <201209201901.q8KJ1npQ029681@databaseadvisors.com> <01b6413e-48c8-4b1c-ab04-b0debe1df10d@blur> Message-ID: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B52501AAC6@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com> Yep, With my HP Powerbook Laptop you need to use the function key (blue FN Key) and F12 for the old 'ctrl break'. A few others have ended up there as well. I would look to see if you have a function fey and if any of the F1-F12 keys have a small function command on them as well. The HP keyboard uses blue, but the Dell maybe different.? Hope that helps a bit Cheers Darryl -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Goodhall Sent: Friday, 21 September 2012 6:49 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Ctrl Break I think that some keyboards have a weird combination with F12 for break. I will see what I can find on it tonight. Steve Goodhall, MSCS, PMP -----Original message----- From: Tony Septav To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Sent: Thu, Sep 20, 2012 19:03:48 GMT+00:00 Subject: Re: [AccessD] Ctrl Break Hey Steve Nope, I have tried all kinds of CTRL combinations and I just do not get the needed affect. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Goodhall Sent: September-20-12 1:56 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problemsolving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Ctrl Break Does ctrl-c work? Steve Goodhall, MSCS, PMP -----Original message----- From: Tony Septav To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Sent: Thu, Sep 20, 2012 18:51:48 GMT+00:00 Subject: [AccessD] Ctrl Break Hey All On my new Dell machine on the keyboard I cannot find any Break key. On the older versions of keyboards I would always use to bust out of a code error message and jump to the spot it occurred. Is there an alternative? PS: Windows 7 is causing me more grieve then I ever expected. Thanks Tony Septav Nanaimo, BC Canada -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2221 / Virus Database: 2441/5281 - Release Date: 09/20/12 -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au Thu Sep 20 19:33:04 2012 From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins) Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2012 00:33:04 +0000 Subject: [AccessD] What's the bug/problem with creating with Access 2010 and deploying to earlier users? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B52501AAE8@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com> There was a major bug between Windows 7 SP1 and any other version of the OS if you used ADO. This has been (finally) fixed for VBA after about 14 months of dithering by Microsoft. This impacted any program that used ADO. However that was an OS level issue, not Access itself. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of David McAfee Sent: Friday, 21 September 2012 3:09 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: [AccessD] What's the bug/problem with creating with Access 2010 and deploying to earlier users? Isn't there a bug where databases created in A2010 and are deployed to users with A2003-2007? The reason I ask is that I am getting a new computer at work that has Office 2010 installed. I mainly work with ADPs, and they are we created in Access 2000 (or in A2k Format). Is there even an issue? Thanks, David -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au Thu Sep 20 19:35:26 2012 From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins) Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2012 00:35:26 +0000 Subject: [AccessD] Ctrl Break In-Reply-To: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B52501AAC6@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com> References: <201209201901.q8KJ1npQ029681@databaseadvisors.com> <01b6413e-48c8-4b1c-ab04-b0debe1df10d@blur> <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B52501AAC6@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com> Message-ID: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B52501AAFF@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com> I should add that Charlotte has an excellent point. It is bloody hard to see even with decent eyesight. In low light and/or tired vision, impossible to spot the tiny 'f' and 'break' marking on the keyboard - they really are miniscule. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darryl Collins Sent: Friday, 21 September 2012 10:30 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Ctrl Break Yep, With my HP Powerbook Laptop you need to use the function key (blue FN Key) and F12 for the old 'ctrl break'. A few others have ended up there as well. I would look to see if you have a function fey and if any of the F1-F12 keys have a small function command on them as well. The HP keyboard uses blue, but the Dell maybe different.? Hope that helps a bit Cheers Darryl -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Goodhall Sent: Friday, 21 September 2012 6:49 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Ctrl Break I think that some keyboards have a weird combination with F12 for break. I will see what I can find on it tonight. Steve Goodhall, MSCS, PMP -----Original message----- From: Tony Septav To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Sent: Thu, Sep 20, 2012 19:03:48 GMT+00:00 Subject: Re: [AccessD] Ctrl Break Hey Steve Nope, I have tried all kinds of CTRL combinations and I just do not get the needed affect. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Goodhall Sent: September-20-12 1:56 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problemsolving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Ctrl Break Does ctrl-c work? Steve Goodhall, MSCS, PMP -----Original message----- From: Tony Septav To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Sent: Thu, Sep 20, 2012 18:51:48 GMT+00:00 Subject: [AccessD] Ctrl Break Hey All On my new Dell machine on the keyboard I cannot find any Break key. On the older versions of keyboards I would always use to bust out of a code error message and jump to the spot it occurred. Is there an alternative? PS: Windows 7 is causing me more grieve then I ever expected. Thanks Tony Septav Nanaimo, BC Canada -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2221 / Virus Database: 2441/5281 - Release Date: 09/20/12 -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From davidmcafee at gmail.com Thu Sep 20 19:52:03 2012 From: davidmcafee at gmail.com (David McAfee) Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2012 17:52:03 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] What's the bug/problem with creating with Access 2010 and deploying to earlier users? In-Reply-To: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B52501AAE8@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com> References: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B52501AAE8@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com> Message-ID: Whew. So it has been fixed? I use a lot of ado in my unbound ADP forms. Sent from my Droid phone. On Sep 20, 2012 5:34 PM, "Darryl Collins" wrote: > There was a major bug between Windows 7 SP1 and any other version of the > OS if you used ADO. This has been (finally) fixed for VBA after about 14 > months of dithering by Microsoft. This impacted any program that used ADO. > However that was an OS level issue, not Access itself. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto: > accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of David McAfee > Sent: Friday, 21 September 2012 3:09 AM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: [AccessD] What's the bug/problem with creating with Access 2010 > and deploying to earlier users? > > Isn't there a bug where databases created in A2010 and are deployed to > users with A2003-2007? > > The reason I ask is that I am getting a new computer at work that has > Office 2010 installed. > > I mainly work with ADPs, and they are we created in Access 2000 (or in A2k > Format). > > Is there even an issue? > > Thanks, > David > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au Thu Sep 20 19:56:00 2012 From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins) Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2012 00:56:00 +0000 Subject: [AccessD] What's the bug/problem with creating with Access 2010 and deploying to earlier users? In-Reply-To: References: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B52501AAE8@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com> Message-ID: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B52501ADEE@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com> Yes, they have fixed it now. It was a right pain in the posterior for a while there. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of David McAfee Sent: Friday, 21 September 2012 10:52 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] What's the bug/problem with creating with Access 2010 and deploying to earlier users? Whew. So it has been fixed? I use a lot of ado in my unbound ADP forms. Sent from my Droid phone. On Sep 20, 2012 5:34 PM, "Darryl Collins" wrote: > There was a major bug between Windows 7 SP1 and any other version of > the OS if you used ADO. This has been (finally) fixed for VBA after > about 14 months of dithering by Microsoft. This impacted any program that used ADO. > However that was an OS level issue, not Access itself. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto: > accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of David McAfee > Sent: Friday, 21 September 2012 3:09 AM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: [AccessD] What's the bug/problem with creating with Access > 2010 and deploying to earlier users? > > Isn't there a bug where databases created in A2010 and are deployed to > users with A2003-2007? > > The reason I ask is that I am getting a new computer at work that has > Office 2010 installed. > > I mainly work with ADPs, and they are we created in Access 2000 (or in > A2k Format). > > Is there even an issue? > > Thanks, > David > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From john at winhaven.net Thu Sep 20 21:06:33 2012 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2012 21:06:33 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] What's the bug/problem with creating with Access 2010 and deploying to earlier users? In-Reply-To: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B52501ADEE@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com> References: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B52501AAE8@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com> <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B52501ADEE@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com> Message-ID: <01ae01cd979d$ba074270$2e15c750$@winhaven.net> Hmmm, you "bleeding edge" types always pay the price . -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darryl Collins Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2012 7:56 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] What's the bug/problem with creating with Access 2010 and deploying to earlier users? Yes, they have fixed it now. It was a right pain in the posterior for a while there. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of David McAfee Sent: Friday, 21 September 2012 10:52 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] What's the bug/problem with creating with Access 2010 and deploying to earlier users? Whew. So it has been fixed? I use a lot of ado in my unbound ADP forms. Sent from my Droid phone. On Sep 20, 2012 5:34 PM, "Darryl Collins" wrote: > There was a major bug between Windows 7 SP1 and any other version of > the OS if you used ADO. This has been (finally) fixed for VBA after > about 14 months of dithering by Microsoft. This impacted any program that used ADO. > However that was an OS level issue, not Access itself. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto: > accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of David McAfee > Sent: Friday, 21 September 2012 3:09 AM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: [AccessD] What's the bug/problem with creating with Access > 2010 and deploying to earlier users? > > Isn't there a bug where databases created in A2010 and are deployed to > users with A2003-2007? > > The reason I ask is that I am getting a new computer at work that has > Office 2010 installed. > > I mainly work with ADPs, and they are we created in Access 2000 (or in > A2k Format). > > Is there even an issue? > > Thanks, > David > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Thu Sep 20 21:31:55 2012 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2012 22:31:55 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Ctrl Break In-Reply-To: <201209202006.q8KK6oB4003197@databaseadvisors.com> References: <201209202006.q8KK6oB4003197@databaseadvisors.com> Message-ID: <505BD19B.4090400@colbyconsulting.com> Tony, I understand your disappointment but it is a keyboard thing not Windows per se. Go to walmart, look for a keyboard with the break key and buy it. John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it On 9/20/2012 4:06 PM, Tony Septav wrote: > Hey Guys > Thank You kindly. > This is a new system. And does not exist on the new keyboard. > I am not criticizing any of your comments. > But ever since I bought this new Dell product with Windows 7 it has been one > problem after another. My major problem is that there is no longer the > option to do in Access 2003 to kill the Access error message > and view what is causing the problem in my code. > > The thing is I do not want to try my old keyboard, and I do not want to > talk to Dell's support people because I already told them I would never buy > another of their products. I am asking you guys if you can give me some > direction, that is all. > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Turner > Sent: September-20-12 2:45 PM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Ctrl Break > > Have you tried your old keyboard it should still work. I got a new dell > and I didn't like the light touch and one or two keys kept not working > so I put the old one back on and things work fine. Oh are you on a > laptop? Then you're up a creek I guess. > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tony Septav > Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2012 2:25 PM > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Ctrl Break > > Hey Steve > I have to first thank both of you Steves for responding. No again the > companies keep dictating what you get, the Pause/Break key is gone. > Suckered again with the punch. > > Tony Septav > Nanaimo, BC > Canada > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Turner > Sent: September-20-12 2:07 PM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Ctrl Break > > You don't have a pause break key to the right of the f keys? > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tony Septav > Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2012 2:02 PM > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Ctrl Break > > Hey Steve > Nope, I have tried all kinds of CTRL combinations and I just do not get > the needed affect. > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve > Goodhall > Sent: September-20-12 1:56 PM > To: Access Developers discussion and problemsolving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Ctrl Break > > Does ctrl-c work? > > Steve Goodhall, MSCS, PMP > > -----Original message----- > From: Tony Septav > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > > Sent: Thu, Sep 20, 2012 18:51:48 GMT+00:00 > Subject: [AccessD] Ctrl Break > > Hey All > > On my new Dell machine on the keyboard I cannot find any Break key. On > the older versions of keyboards I would always use to bust > out of a code error message and jump to the spot it occurred. Is there > an alternative? > > > > PS: Windows 7 is causing me more grieve then I ever expected. > > > > Thanks > > Tony Septav > > Nanaimo, BC > > Canada > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2012.0.2221 / Virus Database: 2441/5281 - Release Date: > 09/20/12 > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2012.0.2221 / Virus Database: 2441/5281 - Release Date: > 09/20/12 > From charlotte.foust at gmail.com Thu Sep 20 21:35:55 2012 From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust) Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2012 19:35:55 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] What's the bug/problem with creating with Access 2010 and deploying to earlier users? In-Reply-To: <01ae01cd979d$ba074270$2e15c750$@winhaven.net> References: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B52501AAE8@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com> <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B52501ADEE@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com> <01ae01cd979d$ba074270$2e15c750$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: Bleeding edge?? ADO has been there since A2k, for heaven's sake! Charlotte On Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 7:06 PM, John Bartow wrote: > Hmmm, you "bleeding edge" types always pay the price . > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darryl Collins > Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2012 7:56 PM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] What's the bug/problem with creating with Access > 2010 > and deploying to earlier users? > > Yes, they have fixed it now. It was a right pain in the posterior for a > while there. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of David McAfee > Sent: Friday, 21 September 2012 10:52 AM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] What's the bug/problem with creating with Access > 2010 > and deploying to earlier users? > > Whew. So it has been fixed? > > I use a lot of ado in my unbound ADP forms. > > Sent from my Droid phone. > On Sep 20, 2012 5:34 PM, "Darryl Collins" > > wrote: > > > There was a major bug between Windows 7 SP1 and any other version of > > the OS if you used ADO. This has been (finally) fixed for VBA after > > about 14 months of dithering by Microsoft. This impacted any program > that > used ADO. > > However that was an OS level issue, not Access itself. > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto: > > accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of David McAfee > > Sent: Friday, 21 September 2012 3:09 AM > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > > Subject: [AccessD] What's the bug/problem with creating with Access > > 2010 and deploying to earlier users? > > > > Isn't there a bug where databases created in A2010 and are deployed to > > users with A2003-2007? > > > > The reason I ask is that I am getting a new computer at work that has > > Office 2010 installed. > > > > I mainly work with ADPs, and they are we created in Access 2000 (or in > > A2k Format). > > > > Is there even an issue? > > > > Thanks, > > David > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au Thu Sep 20 21:41:33 2012 From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins) Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2012 02:41:33 +0000 Subject: [AccessD] What's the bug/problem with creating with Access 2010 and deploying to earlier users? In-Reply-To: <01ae01cd979d$ba074270$2e15c750$@winhaven.net> References: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B52501AAE8@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com> <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B52501ADEE@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com> <01ae01cd979d$ba074270$2e15c750$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B52501AEF9@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com> Hahahaha, too true! I am usually keen on being late to the "New Tech" show for that very reason. At least to SP1 - trouble was SP1 caused the problem! Burnt by my own cleverness ;) -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow Sent: Friday, 21 September 2012 12:07 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] What's the bug/problem with creating with Access 2010 and deploying to earlier users? Hmmm, you "bleeding edge" types always pay the price . -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darryl Collins Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2012 7:56 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] What's the bug/problem with creating with Access 2010 and deploying to earlier users? Yes, they have fixed it now. It was a right pain in the posterior for a while there. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of David McAfee Sent: Friday, 21 September 2012 10:52 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] What's the bug/problem with creating with Access 2010 and deploying to earlier users? Whew. So it has been fixed? I use a lot of ado in my unbound ADP forms. Sent from my Droid phone. On Sep 20, 2012 5:34 PM, "Darryl Collins" wrote: > There was a major bug between Windows 7 SP1 and any other version of > the OS if you used ADO. This has been (finally) fixed for VBA after > about 14 months of dithering by Microsoft. This impacted any program > that used ADO. > However that was an OS level issue, not Access itself. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto: > accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of David McAfee > Sent: Friday, 21 September 2012 3:09 AM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: [AccessD] What's the bug/problem with creating with Access > 2010 and deploying to earlier users? > > Isn't there a bug where databases created in A2010 and are deployed to > users with A2003-2007? > > The reason I ask is that I am getting a new computer at work that has > Office 2010 installed. > > I mainly work with ADPs, and they are we created in Access 2000 (or in > A2k Format). > > Is there even an issue? > > Thanks, > David > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From marksimms at verizon.net Thu Sep 20 21:43:12 2012 From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms) Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2012 22:43:12 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] HTML5 mobile-friendly web sites vs. native In-Reply-To: References: <11A1C8E2-DA85-4F1B-8C9D-902CAB611099@holly.arvixe.com> Message-ID: <001001cd97a2$d85a38e0$890eaaa0$@net> Jim - all of your discourse only points out one thing: The huge risks that abound in this business. Myself ? I don't see the potential rewards out-weighing these risks any longer. In fact, that's been the case for the past 10 years. From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au Thu Sep 20 21:44:55 2012 From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins) Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2012 02:44:55 +0000 Subject: [AccessD] What's the bug/problem with creating with Access 2010 and deploying to earlier users? In-Reply-To: References: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B52501AAE8@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com> <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B52501ADEE@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com> <01ae01cd979d$ba074270$2e15c750$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B52501AF0A@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com> Yeah, they broke backward compatibility with the standard with SP1 in W7 - caused many screams from their developer based - and understand it wasn't just VBA - it was everything that used ADO. Trouble was it would work fine on SP1 where it was compiled, and it would work great if you recompiled the code on a non W7 SP1 machine. But if you developed and compiled the product in W7 SP1 and then used it on any other OS it would crash. Urrrrrgh. The only solution for VBA folks was to roll back SP1 and wait for a fix. That was ok if (like me) you have a pre SP1 OS under the hood. For folks who had the latest W7 Disk with SP1 embedded, there was not much they could do but swear a lot.... -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust Sent: Friday, 21 September 2012 12:36 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] What's the bug/problem with creating with Access 2010 and deploying to earlier users? Bleeding edge?? ADO has been there since A2k, for heaven's sake! Charlotte On Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 7:06 PM, John Bartow wrote: > Hmmm, you "bleeding edge" types always pay the price . > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darryl > Collins > Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2012 7:56 PM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] What's the bug/problem with creating with > Access > 2010 > and deploying to earlier users? > > Yes, they have fixed it now. It was a right pain in the posterior for > a while there. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of David > McAfee > Sent: Friday, 21 September 2012 10:52 AM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] What's the bug/problem with creating with > Access > 2010 > and deploying to earlier users? > > Whew. So it has been fixed? > > I use a lot of ado in my unbound ADP forms. > > Sent from my Droid phone. > On Sep 20, 2012 5:34 PM, "Darryl Collins" > > > wrote: > > > There was a major bug between Windows 7 SP1 and any other version of > > the OS if you used ADO. This has been (finally) fixed for VBA after > > about 14 months of dithering by Microsoft. This impacted any > > program > that > used ADO. > > However that was an OS level issue, not Access itself. > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto: > > accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of David McAfee > > Sent: Friday, 21 September 2012 3:09 AM > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > > Subject: [AccessD] What's the bug/problem with creating with Access > > 2010 and deploying to earlier users? > > > > Isn't there a bug where databases created in A2010 and are deployed > > to users with A2003-2007? > > > > The reason I ask is that I am getting a new computer at work that > > has Office 2010 installed. > > > > I mainly work with ADPs, and they are we created in Access 2000 (or > > in A2k Format). > > > > Is there even an issue? > > > > Thanks, > > David > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From TSeptav at Uniserve.com Thu Sep 20 22:29:07 2012 From: TSeptav at Uniserve.com (Tony Septav) Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2012 22:29:07 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Ctrl Break In-Reply-To: <505BD19B.4090400@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <201209210329.q8L3TAJP024385@databaseadvisors.com> Hey John You make me laugh (in a good way). This new desktop machine cost me $800 bucks and it does not come with a Break key on the keyboard. It is like buying a new car and not getting any window washers. Anyway thing done, move on, just was hoping there was a alternative to . Thanks Tony Septav Nanaimo, BC Canada -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: September-20-12 9:32 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Ctrl Break Tony, I understand your disappointment but it is a keyboard thing not Windows per se. Go to walmart, look for a keyboard with the break key and buy it. John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it On 9/20/2012 4:06 PM, Tony Septav wrote: > Hey Guys > Thank You kindly. > This is a new system. And does not exist on the new keyboard. > I am not criticizing any of your comments. > But ever since I bought this new Dell product with Windows 7 it has been one > problem after another. My major problem is that there is no longer the > option to do in Access 2003 to kill the Access error message > and view what is causing the problem in my code. > > The thing is I do not want to try my old keyboard, and I do not want to > talk to Dell's support people because I already told them I would never buy > another of their products. I am asking you guys if you can give me some > direction, that is all. > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Turner > Sent: September-20-12 2:45 PM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Ctrl Break > > Have you tried your old keyboard it should still work. I got a new dell > and I didn't like the light touch and one or two keys kept not working > so I put the old one back on and things work fine. Oh are you on a > laptop? Then you're up a creek I guess. > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tony Septav > Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2012 2:25 PM > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Ctrl Break > > Hey Steve > I have to first thank both of you Steves for responding. No again the > companies keep dictating what you get, the Pause/Break key is gone. > Suckered again with the punch. > > Tony Septav > Nanaimo, BC > Canada > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Turner > Sent: September-20-12 2:07 PM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Ctrl Break > > You don't have a pause break key to the right of the f keys? > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tony Septav > Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2012 2:02 PM > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Ctrl Break > > Hey Steve > Nope, I have tried all kinds of CTRL combinations and I just do not get > the needed affect. > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve > Goodhall > Sent: September-20-12 1:56 PM > To: Access Developers discussion and problemsolving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Ctrl Break > > Does ctrl-c work? > > Steve Goodhall, MSCS, PMP > > -----Original message----- > From: Tony Septav > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > > Sent: Thu, Sep 20, 2012 18:51:48 GMT+00:00 > Subject: [AccessD] Ctrl Break > > Hey All > > On my new Dell machine on the keyboard I cannot find any Break key. On > the older versions of keyboards I would always use to bust > out of a code error message and jump to the spot it occurred. Is there > an alternative? > > > > PS: Windows 7 is causing me more grieve then I ever expected. > > > > Thanks > > Tony Septav > > Nanaimo, BC > > Canada > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2012.0.2221 / Virus Database: 2441/5281 - Release Date: > 09/20/12 > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2012.0.2221 / Virus Database: 2441/5281 - Release Date: > 09/20/12 > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2221 / Virus Database: 2441/5281 - Release Date: 09/20/12 From accessd at shaw.ca Thu Sep 20 23:27:44 2012 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2012 21:27:44 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] What's the bug/problem with creating with Access 2010 and deploying to earlier users? In-Reply-To: References: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B52501AAE8@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com><56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B52501ADEE@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com><01ae01cd979d$ba074270$2e15c750$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: <7D814B9C79504A7B81BF69D3FE37E067@creativesystemdesigns.com> A97 actually... I was using it. ;-) Jim -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2012 7:36 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] What's the bug/problem with creating with Access 2010 and deploying to earlier users? Bleeding edge?? ADO has been there since A2k, for heaven's sake! Charlotte On Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 7:06 PM, John Bartow wrote: > Hmmm, you "bleeding edge" types always pay the price . > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darryl Collins > Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2012 7:56 PM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] What's the bug/problem with creating with Access > 2010 > and deploying to earlier users? > > Yes, they have fixed it now. It was a right pain in the posterior for a > while there. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of David McAfee > Sent: Friday, 21 September 2012 10:52 AM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] What's the bug/problem with creating with Access > 2010 > and deploying to earlier users? > > Whew. So it has been fixed? > > I use a lot of ado in my unbound ADP forms. > > Sent from my Droid phone. > On Sep 20, 2012 5:34 PM, "Darryl Collins" > > wrote: > > > There was a major bug between Windows 7 SP1 and any other version of > > the OS if you used ADO. This has been (finally) fixed for VBA after > > about 14 months of dithering by Microsoft. This impacted any program > that > used ADO. > > However that was an OS level issue, not Access itself. > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto: > > accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of David McAfee > > Sent: Friday, 21 September 2012 3:09 AM > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > > Subject: [AccessD] What's the bug/problem with creating with Access > > 2010 and deploying to earlier users? > > > > Isn't there a bug where databases created in A2010 and are deployed to > > users with A2003-2007? > > > > The reason I ask is that I am getting a new computer at work that has > > Office 2010 installed. > > > > I mainly work with ADPs, and they are we created in Access 2000 (or in > > A2k Format). > > > > Is there even an issue? > > > > Thanks, > > David > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Thu Sep 20 23:49:05 2012 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2012 21:49:05 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] HTML5 mobile-friendly web sites vs. native In-Reply-To: <001001cd97a2$d85a38e0$890eaaa0$@net> References: <11A1C8E2-DA85-4F1B-8C9D-902CAB611099@holly.arvixe.com> <001001cd97a2$d85a38e0$890eaaa0$@net> Message-ID: <8D4A69A9635547E7AC0786DF5A1E8443@creativesystemdesigns.com> Yes and no, Mark. There are risks but they can be more of a calculated risk. The computer market is in the process of splitting. A huge portion of the market is moving to Web based applications but there is still going to be a need for PCs. It is just no longer true that your best course of action are necessarily PCs anymore. I personally think that a programmer has to be versed in a lot of disciplines now. No longer just PC coding but web coding and web server setup...and that webserver setup is going to be as much, if more Linux/Unix based, than Windows based. Cloud mostly means just a remote server that you don't own. The big push right now is all web but that will level off in a few years. I think the market will end up being 40 to 60 split...60 being web (split between tablet and Smartphone). This makes the web your best bet as the results will be used on every type of computer. Jim -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Simms Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2012 7:43 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] HTML5 mobile-friendly web sites vs. native Jim - all of your discourse only points out one thing: The huge risks that abound in this business. Myself ? I don't see the potential rewards out-weighing these risks any longer. In fact, that's been the case for the past 10 years. -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From mcp2004 at mail.ru Fri Sep 21 02:25:16 2012 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=) Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2012 11:25:16 +0400 Subject: [AccessD] =?utf-8?q?WPF_Development?= In-Reply-To: <703ADF7B-2AF0-498E-9633-7FBCFFAE1C8D@holly.arvixe.com> References: <703ADF7B-2AF0-498E-9633-7FBCFFAE1C8D@holly.arvixe.com> Message-ID: <1348212316.896892927@f358.mail.ru> Hi Robert and Dan -- <<< I use WPF, EF, Linq, and SQL Server. >>> Good set. Historically I have started to develop .NET apps using WinForms ?and I'm still ?mainly using them but if I'd have had to start today I'd definitely used WPF (and SilverLight). I have developed one rather advanced WPF project and I have participated in another one, even more advanced - WPF surely "beats" WinForms and using current Visual Studio design tools designing WPF UI isn't an issue as it was several years ago. IMO the key for WPF UI development (as well as for WinForms) - is to make it designed and ?assembled from small blocks - custom UserControls - it takes some time to adapt but when one gets fluent with that development technique then they can develop very elaborated UIs... My must read WPF/Silverlight book-set is: 1.?Pro WPF and Silverlight MVVM: Effective Application Development with Model-View-ViewModel, ?ISBN: 1430231629, Apress, 2010 "WPF and Silverlight are unlike any other user interface (UI) technologies. They have been built to a new paradigm that?if harnessed correctly?can yield unprecedented power and performance. This book shows you how to control that power to produce clean, testable, maintainable code. It is now recognized that any non-trivial WPF or Silverlight application needs be designed around the Model-View-ViewModel (MVVM) design pattern in order to unlock the technology's full data-binding potential. However, the knowledge of how to do this is missing from a large part of the development community?even amongst those who work with WPF and Silverlight on a daily basis. Too often there is a reliance on programmatic interaction between controls and not enough trust in the technologies' data-binding capabilities. This leads to a clouding of design values and an inevitable loss of performance, scalability, and maintainability throughout the application. Pro WPF and Silverlight MVVM will show you how to arrange your application so that it can grow as much as required in any direction without danger of collapse." 2. Foundation Expression Blend 2: Building Applications in WPF and Silverlight, ISBN: 1590599764, Friends of Ed, 2008 3. Practical WPF Graphics Programming, ISBN:0979372518, UniCAD, 2007 4. Applications = Code + Markup: A Guide to the Microsoft Windows Presentation Foundation, ISBN:?0735619573,?Microsoft Press,?2006? ---- Please note also that having WPF/XAML development experience is a shortest way to WinRT UI development: WinRT and WPF in Windows 8 http://stackoverflow.com/questions/7697414/winrt-and-wpf-in-windows-8 Thank you. -- Shamil ?Thu, 20 Sep 2012 15:47:37 -0500 ?? Robert Stewart : > > > > >Absolutely disagree. Haliburton and some other major corps here in the Houston > area are all going to it to replace Win Form > apps. If you look deeper into it, you > will see the difference in the power and the ability of the user interface. > > Personally, WPF will beat WinForms hands down. > > As for learning it. There is an excellent book > that will take you into the depths of it, > > Applications = Code + Markup: A Guide to the > Microsoft? Windows? Presentation Foundation > > > I use WPF, EF, Linq, and SQL Server. > > > At 06:52 PM 9/19/2012, you wrote: > >Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2012 15:07:17 -0500 > >From: "Dan Waters" > >To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" > > > >Subject: Re: [AccessD] WPF Development (was: HTML5 mobile-friendly web > > sites vs. native) > >Message-ID: <003d01cd96a2$5ed2e400$1c78ac00$@comcast.net> > >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > > >Hi Robert, > > > >I have just started developing with WinForms / LinQ to SQL / SQL Server. I > >bought a book and read about WPF and it seemed like the wrong mechanism for > >straightforward internal business applications. Would you agree/disagree? > >How did you go about learning WPF? > > > >Thanks! > >Dan > > Robert L. Stewart > > Any fool can write code that a computer can > understand. Good programmers write code that > humans can understand. --Martin Fowler > >www.WeBeDb.com >www.DBGUIDesign.com >www.RLStewartPhotography.com > -- > AccessD mailing list >AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From fuller.artful at gmail.com Fri Sep 21 04:55:08 2012 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2012 05:55:08 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] HTML5 mobile-friendly web sites vs. native In-Reply-To: <8D4A69A9635547E7AC0786DF5A1E8443@creativesystemdesigns.com> References: <11A1C8E2-DA85-4F1B-8C9D-902CAB611099@holly.arvixe.com> <001001cd97a2$d85a38e0$890eaaa0$@net> <8D4A69A9635547E7AC0786DF5A1E8443@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: Jim, I agree with your take on the splitting market, although perhaps not the assigned percentages; but that point is moot. You do, however, explain quite well why I've decided to invest my time in Alpha Five v11: from that single platform, you can target the desktop and the web (including pure web, smart phones and tablets). The programming language, XBasic, is similar to VBA, but on steroids (it supports true object-orientation, among other things). Arthur On Fri, Sep 21, 2012 at 12:49 AM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > Yes and no, Mark. > > There are risks but they can be more of a calculated risk. The computer > market is in the process of splitting. A huge portion of the market is > moving to Web based applications but there is still going to be a need for > PCs. It is just no longer true that your best course of action are > necessarily PCs anymore. > > I personally think that a programmer has to be versed in a lot of > disciplines now. No longer just PC coding but web coding and web server > setup...and that webserver setup is going to be as much, if more Linux/Unix > based, than Windows based. Cloud mostly means just a remote server that you > don't own. The big push right now is all web but that will level off in a > few years. I think the market will end up being 40 to 60 split...60 being > web (split between tablet and Smartphone). > > This makes the web your best bet as the results will be used on every type > of computer. > > Jim > > From jimdettman at verizon.net Fri Sep 21 07:07:00 2012 From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman) Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2012 08:07:00 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] FW: Ctrl Break Message-ID: <509ECD89ADE34160A627E40324BCBCC3@XPS> You guys miss this? Jim. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2012 04:21 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Ctrl Break It's not there on mine either. I've remapped the F10 using this: [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Control\Keyboard Layout] "Scancode Map"=hex:00,00,00,00,00,00,00,00,02,00,00,00,46,e0,44,00,00,00,00,00 Some have said this program works well: http://www.randyrants.com/2008/12/sharpkeys_30.html But I haven't tried it yet. Jim. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tony Septav Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2012 04:07 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Ctrl Break Hey Guys Thank You kindly. This is a new system. And does not exist on the new keyboard. I am not criticizing any of your comments. But ever since I bought this new Dell product with Windows 7 it has been one problem after another. My major problem is that there is no longer the option to do in Access 2003 to kill the Access error message and view what is causing the problem in my code. The thing is I do not want to try my old keyboard, and I do not want to talk to Dell's support people because I already told them I would never buy another of their products. I am asking you guys if you can give me some direction, that is all. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Turner Sent: September-20-12 2:45 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Ctrl Break Have you tried your old keyboard it should still work. I got a new dell and I didn't like the light touch and one or two keys kept not working so I put the old one back on and things work fine. Oh are you on a laptop? Then you're up a creek I guess. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tony Septav Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2012 2:25 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Ctrl Break Hey Steve I have to first thank both of you Steves for responding. No again the companies keep dictating what you get, the Pause/Break key is gone. Suckered again with the punch. Tony Septav Nanaimo, BC Canada -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Turner Sent: September-20-12 2:07 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Ctrl Break You don't have a pause break key to the right of the f keys? -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tony Septav Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2012 2:02 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Ctrl Break Hey Steve Nope, I have tried all kinds of CTRL combinations and I just do not get the needed affect. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Goodhall Sent: September-20-12 1:56 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problemsolving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Ctrl Break Does ctrl-c work? Steve Goodhall, MSCS, PMP -----Original message----- From: Tony Septav To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Sent: Thu, Sep 20, 2012 18:51:48 GMT+00:00 Subject: [AccessD] Ctrl Break Hey All On my new Dell machine on the keyboard I cannot find any Break key. On the older versions of keyboards I would always use to bust out of a code error message and jump to the spot it occurred. Is there an alternative? PS: Windows 7 is causing me more grieve then I ever expected. Thanks Tony Septav Nanaimo, BC Canada -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com ----- No virus found in this message. 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Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2221 / Virus Database: 2441/5281 - Release Date: 09/20/12 -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Fri Sep 21 07:30:22 2012 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2012 08:30:22 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Ctrl Break In-Reply-To: <201209210329.q8L3TAJP024385@databaseadvisors.com> References: <201209210329.q8L3TAJP024385@databaseadvisors.com> Message-ID: <505C5DDE.60206@colbyconsulting.com> Tony, >It is like buying a new car and not getting any window washers. It is more like not getting a cigaret lighter. In my last car there was a hole for the lighter but the lighter itself didn't come with the car, and the thing that used to be an ash tray is now a cup holder. As I said, I do understand. However the average non-programmer has *never*, not even once, looked for the break key. It isn't used by applications. So from the manufacturer's perspective, always looking for smaller / better / cheaper, removing the break key makes perfect sense. Keyboards change all the time, go buy a new keyboard and observe your frustration as you search around trying to find things that are still there but moved around. The break key is an anachronism, with the sole exception being us programmers. What will end up happening is that programming tool manufacturers will provide us alternate ways to do the break key. John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it On 9/20/2012 11:29 PM, Tony Septav wrote: > Hey John > You make me laugh (in a good way). This new desktop machine cost me $800 > bucks and it does not come with a Break key on the keyboard. It is like > buying a new car and not getting any window washers. > Anyway thing done, move on, just was hoping there was a alternative to Break>. > > Thanks > Tony Septav > Nanaimo, BC > Canada From rls at WeBeDb.com Fri Sep 21 07:48:26 2012 From: rls at WeBeDb.com (Robert Stewart) Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2012 07:48:26 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Light Table IDE In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9D057B4A-3EA7-413E-ABBE-9777A1E1F48E@holly.arvixe.com> Never heard of sublime or vim/nano. MS just released the Express versions of VS 2012. So, I am not sure when they are no longer going to be releasing them. At 06:29 PM 9/20/2012, you wrote: >Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2012 14:31:37 -0700 >From: Hans-Christian Andersen >To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > >Subject: Re: [AccessD] Light Table IDE >Message-ID: <1A808D8C-F7E3-4BEA-816B-BF275C7244E8 at phulse.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > >Hasn't Microsoft announced that there will no longer be express >versions of visual studio that supports c# etc and it only allows >metro app development? (Meaning you'd have to stick to an older >version of visual studio) > >Is VS really the best IDE out there? It has some neat features and >its really helpful to novice programmers, who need a lot of hand >holding, but personally I prefer my ide to be minimalist, with light >memory footprint and fast. I'll do source control and compiling via >the command line thank you very much. I prefer something like >sublime or even just straight to vim/nano. > >- Hans Robert L. Stewart Any fool can write code that a computer can understand. Good programmers write code that humans can understand. --Martin Fowler www.WeBeDb.com www.DBGUIDesign.com www.RLStewartPhotography.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Fri Sep 21 08:12:34 2012 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2012 06:12:34 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] FW: Ctrl Break In-Reply-To: <509ECD89ADE34160A627E40324BCBCC3@XPS> References: <509ECD89ADE34160A627E40324BCBCC3@XPS> Message-ID: <6C740A090A8B4BF984B5C7400867F4BF@HAL9007> Jim: It looked like a good thing to try but I'm not to good with the registry and always real cautious. So I went to Regedit and when I drill down to Keyboard Layout I find two more sub-folders - DosKeybCodes and DosKeybIDs. Ignore those? So then is this snip that remaps F10 a new key? There's one key in Keyboard Layout - Default. Do I edit that one? Or create a new key? If a new key does it go into its own sub-folder or into the Keyboard Layout folder? Is Scancode Map the Value Name and the snip starting with =hex entered in the value data? So many questions...:) Thanks Rocky -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman Sent: Friday, September 21, 2012 5:07 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: [AccessD] FW: Ctrl Break You guys miss this? Jim. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2012 04:21 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Ctrl Break It's not there on mine either. I've remapped the F10 using this: [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Control\Keyboard Layout] "Scancode Map"=hex:00,00,00,00,00,00,00,00,02,00,00,00,46,e0,44,00,00,00,00,00 Some have said this program works well: http://www.randyrants.com/2008/12/sharpkeys_30.html But I haven't tried it yet. Jim. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tony Septav Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2012 04:07 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Ctrl Break Hey Guys Thank You kindly. This is a new system. And does not exist on the new keyboard. I am not criticizing any of your comments. But ever since I bought this new Dell product with Windows 7 it has been one problem after another. My major problem is that there is no longer the option to do in Access 2003 to kill the Access error message and view what is causing the problem in my code. The thing is I do not want to try my old keyboard, and I do not want to talk to Dell's support people because I already told them I would never buy another of their products. I am asking you guys if you can give me some direction, that is all. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Turner Sent: September-20-12 2:45 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Ctrl Break Have you tried your old keyboard it should still work. I got a new dell and I didn't like the light touch and one or two keys kept not working so I put the old one back on and things work fine. Oh are you on a laptop? Then you're up a creek I guess. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tony Septav Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2012 2:25 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Ctrl Break Hey Steve I have to first thank both of you Steves for responding. No again the companies keep dictating what you get, the Pause/Break key is gone. Suckered again with the punch. Tony Septav Nanaimo, BC Canada -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Turner Sent: September-20-12 2:07 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Ctrl Break You don't have a pause break key to the right of the f keys? -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tony Septav Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2012 2:02 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Ctrl Break Hey Steve Nope, I have tried all kinds of CTRL combinations and I just do not get the needed affect. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Goodhall Sent: September-20-12 1:56 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problemsolving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Ctrl Break Does ctrl-c work? Steve Goodhall, MSCS, PMP -----Original message----- From: Tony Septav To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Sent: Thu, Sep 20, 2012 18:51:48 GMT+00:00 Subject: [AccessD] Ctrl Break Hey All On my new Dell machine on the keyboard I cannot find any Break key. On the older versions of keyboards I would always use to bust out of a code error message and jump to the spot it occurred. Is there an alternative? PS: Windows 7 is causing me more grieve then I ever expected. Thanks Tony Septav Nanaimo, BC Canada -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2221 / Virus Database: 2441/5281 - Release Date: 09/20/12 -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2221 / Virus Database: 2441/5281 - Release Date: 09/20/12 -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2221 / Virus Database: 2441/5281 - Release Date: 09/20/12 -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Fri Sep 21 08:25:57 2012 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2012 09:25:57 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] HTML5 mobile-friendly web sites vs. native In-Reply-To: References: <11A1C8E2-DA85-4F1B-8C9D-902CAB611099@holly.arvixe.com> <001001cd97a2$d85a38e0$890eaaa0$@net> <8D4A69A9635547E7AC0786DF5A1E8443@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: <505C6AE5.40608@colbyconsulting.com> I thought you were a poor retired person. I don't want to pay 130 / month, though of course they have to get paid somehow. http://www.alphasoftware.com/shop/ I managed to get into the MS development environment through the Dreamspark program when I was a student at the community college, so My MS tools were free (other than tuition). I have to say that for Windows stuff .Net / SQL Server is boss. Over the top powerful. John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it On 9/21/2012 5:55 AM, Arthur Fuller wrote: > Jim, > > I agree with your take on the splitting market, although perhaps not the > assigned percentages; but that point is moot. You do, however, explain > quite well why I've decided to invest my time in Alpha Five v11: from that > single platform, you can target the desktop and the web (including pure > web, smart phones and tablets). The programming language, XBasic, is > similar to VBA, but on steroids (it supports true object-orientation, among > other things). > > Arthur From rls at WeBeDb.com Fri Sep 21 09:12:10 2012 From: rls at WeBeDb.com (Robert Stewart) Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2012 09:12:10 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] WPF Development In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <45562BB8-02FF-4552-AB22-FE87E6927F24@holly.arvixe.com> Shamil, Thank you for the other book recommendations. I went out a got the first one on your list. I have been wanting a good one on MVVM. It is something that I need to get up to speed on. BTW, my wife is from Russia, Yoshkar-Ola. She has cousins that live in St. Petersburg. At 02:25 AM 9/21/2012, you wrote: >Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2012 11:25:16 +0400 >From: Salakhetdinov Shamil >To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > >Subject: Re: [AccessD] WPF Development >Message-ID: <1348212316.896892927 at f358.mail.ru> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > >Hi Robert and Dan -- > ><<< >I use WPF, EF, Linq, and SQL Server. > >>> >Good set. > >Historically I have started to develop .NET apps using WinForms ?and >I'm still ?mainly using them but if I'd have had to start today I'd >definitely used WPF (and SilverLight). > >I have developed one rather advanced WPF project and I have >participated in another one, even more advanced - WPF surely "beats" >WinForms and using current Visual Studio design tools designing WPF >UI isn't an issue as it was several years ago. > >IMO the key for WPF UI development (as well as for WinForms) - is to >make it designed and ?assembled from small blocks - custom >UserControls - it takes some time to adapt but when one gets fluent >with that development technique then they can develop very elaborated UIs... > >My must read WPF/Silverlight book-set is: > >1.?Pro WPF and Silverlight MVVM: Effective Application Development >with Model-View-ViewModel, ?ISBN: 1430231629, Apress, 2010 >"WPF and Silverlight are unlike any other user interface (UI) >technologies. They have been built to a new paradigm that?if >harnessed correctly?can yield unprecedented power and performance. >This book shows you how to control that power to produce clean, >testable, maintainable code. >It is now recognized that any non-trivial WPF or Silverlight >application needs be designed around the Model-View-ViewModel (MVVM) >design pattern in order to unlock the technology's full data-binding potential. >However, the knowledge of how to do this is missing from a large >part of the development community?even amongst those who work with >WPF and Silverlight on a daily basis. >Too often there is a reliance on programmatic interaction between >controls and not enough trust in the technologies' data-binding capabilities. >This leads to a clouding of design values and an inevitable loss of >performance, scalability, and maintainability throughout the application. >Pro WPF and Silverlight MVVM will show you how to arrange your >application so that it can grow as much as required in any direction >without danger of collapse." >2. Foundation Expression Blend 2: Building Applications in WPF and >Silverlight, ISBN: 1590599764, Friends of Ed, 2008 >3. Practical WPF Graphics Programming, ISBN:0979372518, UniCAD, 2007 > >4. Applications = Code + Markup: A Guide to the Microsoft Windows >Presentation Foundation, ISBN:?0735619573,?Microsoft Press,?2006? >---- > >Please note also that having WPF/XAML development experience is a >shortest way to WinRT UI development: > >WinRT and WPF in Windows 8 >http://stackoverflow.com/questions/7697414/winrt-and-wpf-in-windows-8 > >Thank you. > >-- Shamil Robert L. Stewart Any fool can write code that a computer can understand. Good programmers write code that humans can understand. --Martin Fowler www.WeBeDb.com www.DBGUIDesign.com www.RLStewartPhotography.com From BradM at blackforestltd.com Fri Sep 21 09:17:15 2012 From: BradM at blackforestltd.com (Brad Marks) Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2012 09:17:15 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] FW: Ctrl Break References: <509ECD89ADE34160A627E40324BCBCC3@XPS> <6C740A090A8B4BF984B5C7400867F4BF@HAL9007> Message-ID: All, I would guess that there are several ways to deal with this issue. Here is another approach that isn't too bad (ya sure, you betcha this is how we talk in Minnesota :-) I use an free open source utility tool called AutoHotKey for many things. I call it my Swiss Army Knife software. Here is some actual AutoHotKey code that will intercept a "Ctrl + F12" and send a "Ctrl + Break". For a test, I set up a tight loop in Access VBA and killed it with a "Ctrl + F12". I choose "Ctrl + F12" for this test, but it can be any key or combination of keys. ^F12:: Send, {CTRLDOWN}{CTRLBREAK}{CTRLBREAK}{CTRLUP} This is probably the approach that I will use when my new PC comes with a keyboard this is missing the Break Key. "Why make things simple when you can make them complex and wonderful" :-) Brad ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: Friday, September 21, 2012 8:13 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] FW: Ctrl Break Jim: It looked like a good thing to try but I'm not to good with the registry and always real cautious. So I went to Regedit and when I drill down to Keyboard Layout I find two more sub-folders - DosKeybCodes and DosKeybIDs. Ignore those? So then is this snip that remaps F10 a new key? There's one key in Keyboard Layout - Default. Do I edit that one? Or create a new key? If a new key does it go into its own sub-folder or into the Keyboard Layout folder? Is Scancode Map the Value Name and the snip starting with =hex entered in the value data? So many questions...:) Thanks Rocky -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman Sent: Friday, September 21, 2012 5:07 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: [AccessD] FW: Ctrl Break You guys miss this? Jim. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2012 04:21 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Ctrl Break It's not there on mine either. I've remapped the F10 using this: [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Control\Keyboard Layout] "Scancode Map"=hex:00,00,00,00,00,00,00,00,02,00,00,00,46,e0,44,00,00,00,00,00 Some have said this program works well: http://www.randyrants.com/2008/12/sharpkeys_30.html But I haven't tried it yet. Jim. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tony Septav Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2012 04:07 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Ctrl Break Hey Guys Thank You kindly. This is a new system. And does not exist on the new keyboard. I am not criticizing any of your comments. But ever since I bought this new Dell product with Windows 7 it has been one problem after another. My major problem is that there is no longer the option to do in Access 2003 to kill the Access error message and view what is causing the problem in my code. The thing is I do not want to try my old keyboard, and I do not want to talk to Dell's support people because I already told them I would never buy another of their products. I am asking you guys if you can give me some direction, that is all. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Turner Sent: September-20-12 2:45 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Ctrl Break Have you tried your old keyboard it should still work. I got a new dell and I didn't like the light touch and one or two keys kept not working so I put the old one back on and things work fine. Oh are you on a laptop? Then you're up a creek I guess. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tony Septav Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2012 2:25 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Ctrl Break Hey Steve I have to first thank both of you Steves for responding. No again the companies keep dictating what you get, the Pause/Break key is gone. Suckered again with the punch. Tony Septav Nanaimo, BC Canada -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Turner Sent: September-20-12 2:07 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Ctrl Break You don't have a pause break key to the right of the f keys? -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tony Septav Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2012 2:02 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Ctrl Break Hey Steve Nope, I have tried all kinds of CTRL combinations and I just do not get the needed affect. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Goodhall Sent: September-20-12 1:56 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problemsolving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Ctrl Break Does ctrl-c work? Steve Goodhall, MSCS, PMP -----Original message----- From: Tony Septav To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Sent: Thu, Sep 20, 2012 18:51:48 GMT+00:00 Subject: [AccessD] Ctrl Break Hey All On my new Dell machine on the keyboard I cannot find any Break key. On the older versions of keyboards I would always use to bust out of a code error message and jump to the spot it occurred. Is there an alternative? PS: Windows 7 is causing me more grieve then I ever expected. Thanks Tony Septav Nanaimo, BC Canada -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com ----- No virus found in this message. 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From accessd at shaw.ca Fri Sep 21 09:35:42 2012 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2012 07:35:42 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] HTML5 mobile-friendly web sites vs. native In-Reply-To: References: <11A1C8E2-DA85-4F1B-8C9D-902CAB611099@holly.arvixe.com><001001cd97a2$d85a38e0$890eaaa0$@net><8D4A69A9635547E7AC0786DF5A1E8443@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: <668369CBBB2940C59F441B1F76FE513C@creativesystemdesigns.com> Hi Arthur: Your new development course sounds very exciting...keep us posted. I would be interested in seeing one of your completed projects. Jim -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Friday, September 21, 2012 2:55 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] HTML5 mobile-friendly web sites vs. native Jim, I agree with your take on the splitting market, although perhaps not the assigned percentages; but that point is moot. You do, however, explain quite well why I've decided to invest my time in Alpha Five v11: from that single platform, you can target the desktop and the web (including pure web, smart phones and tablets). The programming language, XBasic, is similar to VBA, but on steroids (it supports true object-orientation, among other things). Arthur On Fri, Sep 21, 2012 at 12:49 AM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > Yes and no, Mark. > > There are risks but they can be more of a calculated risk. The computer > market is in the process of splitting. A huge portion of the market is > moving to Web based applications but there is still going to be a need for > PCs. It is just no longer true that your best course of action are > necessarily PCs anymore. > > I personally think that a programmer has to be versed in a lot of > disciplines now. No longer just PC coding but web coding and web server > setup...and that webserver setup is going to be as much, if more Linux/Unix > based, than Windows based. Cloud mostly means just a remote server that you > don't own. The big push right now is all web but that will level off in a > few years. I think the market will end up being 40 to 60 split...60 being > web (split between tablet and Smartphone). > > This makes the web your best bet as the results will be used on every type > of computer. > > Jim > > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From TSeptav at Uniserve.com Fri Sep 21 09:56:19 2012 From: TSeptav at Uniserve.com (Tony Septav) Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2012 09:56:19 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] FW: Ctrl Break In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <201209211456.q8LEuLVQ016595@databaseadvisors.com> Hey Brad Thanks for the valuable info. I just do not understand how much these companies are saving by not leaving the Break key on the keyboard. An aside: Many many years ago (if memory serves me well) a car company decided to remove a 75 cent fitting (cost cutting/saving on their end) on their gas tank assembly. What ended up happening was if the car got rear ended the gas tank would explode. Needless to say they spent many days in court. And no before some of you guys get started I am not expecting my keyboard to blow up. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brad Marks Sent: September-21-12 9:17 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] FW: Ctrl Break All, I would guess that there are several ways to deal with this issue. Here is another approach that isn't too bad (ya sure, you betcha this is how we talk in Minnesota :-) I use an free open source utility tool called AutoHotKey for many things. I call it my Swiss Army Knife software. Here is some actual AutoHotKey code that will intercept a "Ctrl + F12" and send a "Ctrl + Break". For a test, I set up a tight loop in Access VBA and killed it with a "Ctrl + F12". I choose "Ctrl + F12" for this test, but it can be any key or combination of keys. ^F12:: Send, {CTRLDOWN}{CTRLBREAK}{CTRLBREAK}{CTRLUP} This is probably the approach that I will use when my new PC comes with a keyboard this is missing the Break Key. "Why make things simple when you can make them complex and wonderful" :-) Brad ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: Friday, September 21, 2012 8:13 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] FW: Ctrl Break Jim: It looked like a good thing to try but I'm not to good with the registry and always real cautious. So I went to Regedit and when I drill down to Keyboard Layout I find two more sub-folders - DosKeybCodes and DosKeybIDs. Ignore those? So then is this snip that remaps F10 a new key? There's one key in Keyboard Layout - Default. Do I edit that one? Or create a new key? If a new key does it go into its own sub-folder or into the Keyboard Layout folder? Is Scancode Map the Value Name and the snip starting with =hex entered in the value data? So many questions...:) Thanks Rocky -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman Sent: Friday, September 21, 2012 5:07 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: [AccessD] FW: Ctrl Break You guys miss this? Jim. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2012 04:21 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Ctrl Break It's not there on mine either. I've remapped the F10 using this: [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Control\Keyboard Layout] "Scancode Map"=hex:00,00,00,00,00,00,00,00,02,00,00,00,46,e0,44,00,00,00,00,00 Some have said this program works well: http://www.randyrants.com/2008/12/sharpkeys_30.html But I haven't tried it yet. Jim. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tony Septav Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2012 04:07 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Ctrl Break Hey Guys Thank You kindly. This is a new system. And does not exist on the new keyboard. I am not criticizing any of your comments. But ever since I bought this new Dell product with Windows 7 it has been one problem after another. My major problem is that there is no longer the option to do in Access 2003 to kill the Access error message and view what is causing the problem in my code. The thing is I do not want to try my old keyboard, and I do not want to talk to Dell's support people because I already told them I would never buy another of their products. I am asking you guys if you can give me some direction, that is all. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Turner Sent: September-20-12 2:45 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Ctrl Break Have you tried your old keyboard it should still work. I got a new dell and I didn't like the light touch and one or two keys kept not working so I put the old one back on and things work fine. Oh are you on a laptop? Then you're up a creek I guess. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tony Septav Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2012 2:25 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Ctrl Break Hey Steve I have to first thank both of you Steves for responding. No again the companies keep dictating what you get, the Pause/Break key is gone. Suckered again with the punch. Tony Septav Nanaimo, BC Canada -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Turner Sent: September-20-12 2:07 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Ctrl Break You don't have a pause break key to the right of the f keys? -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tony Septav Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2012 2:02 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Ctrl Break Hey Steve Nope, I have tried all kinds of CTRL combinations and I just do not get the needed affect. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Goodhall Sent: September-20-12 1:56 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problemsolving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Ctrl Break Does ctrl-c work? Steve Goodhall, MSCS, PMP -----Original message----- From: Tony Septav To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Sent: Thu, Sep 20, 2012 18:51:48 GMT+00:00 Subject: [AccessD] Ctrl Break Hey All On my new Dell machine on the keyboard I cannot find any Break key. On the older versions of keyboards I would always use to bust out of a code error message and jump to the spot it occurred. Is there an alternative? PS: Windows 7 is causing me more grieve then I ever expected. Thanks Tony Septav Nanaimo, BC Canada -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com ----- No virus found in this message. 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Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2221 / Virus Database: 2441/5283 - Release Date: 09/21/12 From davidmcafee at gmail.com Fri Sep 21 11:18:50 2012 From: davidmcafee at gmail.com (David McAfee) Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2012 09:18:50 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] FW: Ctrl Break In-Reply-To: <201209211456.q8LEuLVQ016595@databaseadvisors.com> References: <201209211456.q8LEuLVQ016595@databaseadvisors.com> Message-ID: When they make millions of them, it adds up. I was going to use the cigarette lighter in cars theory that John beat me to. It's also like how car manufacturers are not putting in 8 tracks and cassette players in cars any more. Hell, there are some that are not even putting CD decks any more as it is all usb and/or blue tooth. (PS, if don't smoke near your keyboard you wont have to worry about it blowing up :P ) D On Fri, Sep 21, 2012 at 7:56 AM, Tony Septav wrote: > Hey Brad > Thanks for the valuable info. > > I just do not understand how much these companies are saving by not leaving > the Break key on the keyboard. > > An aside: > Many many years ago (if memory serves me well) a car company decided to > remove a 75 cent fitting (cost cutting/saving on their end) on their gas > tank assembly. What ended up happening was if the car got rear ended the > gas > tank would explode. Needless to say they spent many days in court. And no > before some of you guys get started I am not expecting my keyboard to blow > up. > From davidmcafee at gmail.com Fri Sep 21 11:37:02 2012 From: davidmcafee at gmail.com (David McAfee) Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2012 09:37:02 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] What's the bug/problem with creating with Access 2010 and deploying to earlier users? In-Reply-To: <01ae01cd979d$ba074270$2e15c750$@winhaven.net> References: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B52501AAE8@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com> <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B52501ADEE@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com> <01ae01cd979d$ba074270$2e15c750$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: It's more like a "scabbed edge" with me. MS has been trying to take away my ADPs for a while now. D On Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 7:06 PM, John Bartow wrote: > Hmmm, you "bleeding edge" types always pay the price . > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darryl Collins > Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2012 7:56 PM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] What's the bug/problem with creating with Access > 2010 > and deploying to earlier users? > > Yes, they have fixed it now. It was a right pain in the posterior for a > while there. > From TSeptav at Uniserve.com Fri Sep 21 12:09:33 2012 From: TSeptav at Uniserve.com (Tony Septav) Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2012 12:09:33 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] The List Message-ID: <201209211709.q8LH9cc1003321@databaseadvisors.com> Hey Guys One thing I really appreciate about this community, is the humour in the discussions. I have Googled for info on different topics relating to Access and run into some sites where I see solutions being discussed with comments like you F...A.... or you S.... head twit. Which I find very offensive, but not here. I have to go back lurking in the background. Thanks All Tony Septav Nanaimo, BC Canada From john at winhaven.net Fri Sep 21 12:39:43 2012 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2012 12:39:43 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] The List In-Reply-To: <201209211709.q8LH9cc1003321@databaseadvisors.com> References: <201209211709.q8LH9cc1003321@databaseadvisors.com> Message-ID: <010301cd9820$164be360$42e3aa20$@winhaven.net> Sure Tony. Stir the pot until it boils and then throw the ladle! ;-) -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tony Septav Sent: Friday, September 21, 2012 12:10 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: [AccessD] The List Hey Guys One thing I really appreciate about this community, is the humour in the discussions. I have Googled for info on different topics relating to Access and run into some sites where I see solutions being discussed with comments like you F...A.... or you S.... head twit. Which I find very offensive, but not here. I have to go back lurking in the background. Thanks All Tony Septav Nanaimo, BC Canada -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From TSeptav at Uniserve.com Fri Sep 21 12:52:39 2012 From: TSeptav at Uniserve.com (Tony Septav) Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2012 12:52:39 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] The List In-Reply-To: <010301cd9820$164be360$42e3aa20$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: <201209211752.q8LHqfib028060@databaseadvisors.com> Hey John You smart ass. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow Sent: September-21-12 12:40 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] The List Sure Tony. Stir the pot until it boils and then throw the ladle! ;-) -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tony Septav Sent: Friday, September 21, 2012 12:10 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: [AccessD] The List Hey Guys One thing I really appreciate about this community, is the humour in the discussions. I have Googled for info on different topics relating to Access and run into some sites where I see solutions being discussed with comments like you F...A.... or you S.... head twit. Which I find very offensive, but not here. I have to go back lurking in the background. Thanks All Tony Septav Nanaimo, BC Canada -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2221 / Virus Database: 2441/5283 - Release Date: 09/21/12 From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Fri Sep 21 18:21:28 2012 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2012 09:21:28 +1000 Subject: [AccessD] Ctrl Break In-Reply-To: <505C5DDE.60206@colbyconsulting.com> References: <201209210329.q8L3TAJP024385@databaseadvisors.com>, <505C5DDE.60206@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <505CF678.25192.559EEDC@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> That's not a cigarette lighter - it's an auxiliary power device :-) I would guess that they are used much more these days for powering/charging other devices such as phones/laptops etc rather than for holding a lighter. Actually, my Honda CRV comes with one in the rear compartment as well - presumably for plugging in things like a 12 volt fridge. -- Stuart On 21 Sep 2012 at 8:30, jwcolby wrote: > Tony, > > >It is like buying a new car and not getting any window washers. > > It is more like not getting a cigaret lighter. In my last car there was a hole for the lighter but > the lighter itself didn't come with the car, and the thing that used to be an ash tray is now a cup > holder. > From jimdettman at verizon.net Sat Sep 22 10:25:53 2012 From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman) Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2012 11:25:53 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] FW: Ctrl Break In-Reply-To: <6C740A090A8B4BF984B5C7400867F4BF@HAL9007> References: <509ECD89ADE34160A627E40324BCBCC3@XPS> <6C740A090A8B4BF984B5C7400867F4BF@HAL9007> Message-ID: <21261A3620284B1AA6AA7C1C1BEF56E2@XPS> Rocky, For all those questions, there's actually a nice article I found when I checked into what the entry did (and it was on EE of all places): http://www.experts-exchange.com/OS/Microsoft_Operating_Systems/Windows/A_215 5-Keyboard-Remapping-CAPSLOCK-to-Ctrl-and-Beyond.html I recently bought a new Dell over the summer and the break key wasn't on the keyboard. Checking on-line, I see it's now a common problem. As many have noted, it's just not used much anymore. I found a post in the Dell forums referencing the registry hack, which I checked out through the EE article (I always want to make sure I understand any registry change and what it's doing before I use it). That's where I also found the program reference, but I'd rather not install software if I don't have to, so I have not tried it and used the registry hack instead. Basically, windows has a set of "virtual keys" representing all the various function and keystrokes, which hardware and BIOS mfg's map to. This registry change affects that mapping. This is happening at a very low level and if you do screw it up, you can end up making a keystroke unavailable. If it happens to be a critical one, then you'd need to use a second computer to do a remote registry change. The one posted however does work and I double checked what it's doing. The article was well worth a read because it also gets into those special function/media keys that kick off programs on your PC and how that's accomplished. <> Yes. Easiest is to do the change via file. Create a new text file on your desktop (right click, new, text document) and call it "mapctrlbreaktoF10.reg" Now edit it and paste in: Windows Registry Editor Version 5.00 [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Control\Keyboard Layout] "Scancode Map"=hex:00,00,00,00,00,00,00,00,02,00,00,00,46,e0,44,00,00,00,00,00 and save. Double click and you'll be asked if it's OK to import. Click OK and then reboot. You should now find that F10 gives you a break. A small caution on doing the above; you need to check for that registry key before you do the above because doing the above will wipe out anything already there. This key should not exist by default. By the way, if you want to delete the mapping, just delete the key. Jim. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: Friday, September 21, 2012 09:13 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] FW: Ctrl Break Jim: It looked like a good thing to try but I'm not to good with the registry and always real cautious. So I went to Regedit and when I drill down to Keyboard Layout I find two more sub-folders - DosKeybCodes and DosKeybIDs. Ignore those? So then is this snip that remaps F10 a new key? There's one key in Keyboard Layout - Default. Do I edit that one? Or create a new key? If a new key does it go into its own sub-folder or into the Keyboard Layout folder? Is Scancode Map the Value Name and the snip starting with =hex entered in the value data? So many questions...:) Thanks Rocky -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman Sent: Friday, September 21, 2012 5:07 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: [AccessD] FW: Ctrl Break You guys miss this? Jim. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2012 04:21 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Ctrl Break It's not there on mine either. I've remapped the F10 using this: [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Control\Keyboard Layout] "Scancode Map"=hex:00,00,00,00,00,00,00,00,02,00,00,00,46,e0,44,00,00,00,00,00 Some have said this program works well: http://www.randyrants.com/2008/12/sharpkeys_30.html But I haven't tried it yet. Jim. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tony Septav Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2012 04:07 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Ctrl Break Hey Guys Thank You kindly. This is a new system. And does not exist on the new keyboard. I am not criticizing any of your comments. But ever since I bought this new Dell product with Windows 7 it has been one problem after another. My major problem is that there is no longer the option to do in Access 2003 to kill the Access error message and view what is causing the problem in my code. The thing is I do not want to try my old keyboard, and I do not want to talk to Dell's support people because I already told them I would never buy another of their products. I am asking you guys if you can give me some direction, that is all. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Turner Sent: September-20-12 2:45 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Ctrl Break Have you tried your old keyboard it should still work. I got a new dell and I didn't like the light touch and one or two keys kept not working so I put the old one back on and things work fine. Oh are you on a laptop? Then you're up a creek I guess. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tony Septav Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2012 2:25 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Ctrl Break Hey Steve I have to first thank both of you Steves for responding. No again the companies keep dictating what you get, the Pause/Break key is gone. Suckered again with the punch. Tony Septav Nanaimo, BC Canada -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Turner Sent: September-20-12 2:07 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Ctrl Break You don't have a pause break key to the right of the f keys? -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tony Septav Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2012 2:02 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Ctrl Break Hey Steve Nope, I have tried all kinds of CTRL combinations and I just do not get the needed affect. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Goodhall Sent: September-20-12 1:56 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problemsolving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Ctrl Break Does ctrl-c work? Steve Goodhall, MSCS, PMP -----Original message----- From: Tony Septav To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Sent: Thu, Sep 20, 2012 18:51:48 GMT+00:00 Subject: [AccessD] Ctrl Break Hey All On my new Dell machine on the keyboard I cannot find any Break key. On the older versions of keyboards I would always use to bust out of a code error message and jump to the spot it occurred. Is there an alternative? PS: Windows 7 is causing me more grieve then I ever expected. Thanks Tony Septav Nanaimo, BC Canada -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2221 / Virus Database: 2441/5281 - Release Date: 09/20/12 -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2221 / Virus Database: 2441/5281 - Release Date: 09/20/12 -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2221 / Virus Database: 2441/5281 - Release Date: 09/20/12 -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Sat Sep 22 11:33:56 2012 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2012 12:33:56 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] FW: Ctrl Break In-Reply-To: <21261A3620284B1AA6AA7C1C1BEF56E2@XPS> References: <509ECD89ADE34160A627E40324BCBCC3@XPS> <6C740A090A8B4BF984B5C7400867F4BF@HAL9007> <21261A3620284B1AA6AA7C1C1BEF56E2@XPS> Message-ID: <505DE874.3090708@colbyconsulting.com> I would like to point out that we just had a rather long thread having mostly nothing to do with Access, but the list provided an answer to the problem, provided some soothing words and just generally acted like family. :) John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it On 9/22/2012 11:25 AM, Jim Dettman wrote: > Rocky, > > > For all those questions, there's actually a nice article I found when I > checked into what the entry did (and it was on EE of all places): > > http://www.experts-exchange.com/OS/Microsoft_Operating_Systems/Windows/A_215 > 5-Keyboard-Remapping-CAPSLOCK-to-Ctrl-and-Beyond.html > > > I recently bought a new Dell over the summer and the break key wasn't on > the keyboard. Checking on-line, I see it's now a common problem. As many > have noted, it's just not used much anymore. > > I found a post in the Dell forums referencing the registry hack, which I > checked out through the EE article (I always want to make sure I understand > any registry change and what it's doing before I use it). That's where I > also found the program reference, but I'd rather not install software if I > don't have to, so I have not tried it and used the registry hack instead. > > Basically, windows has a set of "virtual keys" representing all the various > function and keystrokes, which hardware and BIOS mfg's map to. This > registry change affects that mapping. > > This is happening at a very low level and if you do screw it up, you can > end up making a keystroke unavailable. If it happens to be a critical one, > then you'd need to use a second computer to do a remote registry change. > > The one posted however does work and I double checked what it's doing. > > The article was well worth a read because it also gets into those special > function/media keys that kick off programs on your PC and how that's > accomplished. > > < more sub-folders - DosKeybCodes and DosKeybIDs. Ignore those? >> > > Yes. > > > Easiest is to do the change via file. Create a new text file on your > desktop (right click, new, text document) and call it > "mapctrlbreaktoF10.reg" > > Now edit it and paste in: > > Windows Registry Editor Version 5.00 > > [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Control\Keyboard Layout] > "Scancode > Map"=hex:00,00,00,00,00,00,00,00,02,00,00,00,46,e0,44,00,00,00,00,00 > > and save. Double click and you'll be asked if it's OK to import. Click OK > and then reboot. You should now find that F10 gives you a break. > > A small caution on doing the above; you need to check for that registry key > before you do the above because doing the above will wipe out anything > already there. This key should not exist by default. > > By the way, if you want to delete the mapping, just delete the key. > > Jim. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin > Sent: Friday, September 21, 2012 09:13 AM > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > Subject: Re: [AccessD] FW: Ctrl Break > > Jim: > > It looked like a good thing to try but I'm not to good with the registry and > always real cautious. > > So I went to Regedit and when I drill down to Keyboard Layout I find two > more sub-folders - DosKeybCodes and DosKeybIDs. Ignore those? > > So then is this snip that remaps F10 a new key? > > There's one key in Keyboard Layout - Default. Do I edit that one? Or > create a new key? > > If a new key does it go into its own sub-folder or into the Keyboard Layout > folder? > > Is Scancode Map the Value Name and the snip starting with =hex entered in > the value data? > > > So many questions...:) > > Thanks > > Rocky > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman > Sent: Friday, September 21, 2012 5:07 AM > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > Subject: [AccessD] FW: Ctrl Break > > > > You guys miss this? > > Jim. > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman > Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2012 04:21 PM > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Ctrl Break > > > It's not there on mine either. I've remapped the F10 using this: > > [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Control\Keyboard Layout] > "Scancode > Map"=hex:00,00,00,00,00,00,00,00,02,00,00,00,46,e0,44,00,00,00,00,00 > > Some have said this program works well: > > http://www.randyrants.com/2008/12/sharpkeys_30.html > > But I haven't tried it yet. > > Jim. > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tony Septav > Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2012 04:07 PM > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Ctrl Break > > Hey Guys > Thank You kindly. > This is a new system. And does not exist on the new keyboard. > I am not criticizing any of your comments. > But ever since I bought this new Dell product with Windows 7 it has been one > problem after another. My major problem is that there is no longer the > option to do in Access 2003 to kill the Access error message > and view what is causing the problem in my code. > > The thing is I do not want to try my old keyboard, and I do not want to > talk to Dell's support people because I already told them I would never buy > another of their products. I am asking you guys if you can give me some > direction, that is all. > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Turner > Sent: September-20-12 2:45 PM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Ctrl Break > > Have you tried your old keyboard it should still work. I got a new dell and > I didn't like the light touch and one or two keys kept not working so I put > the old one back on and things work fine. Oh are you on a laptop? Then > you're up a creek I guess. > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tony Septav > Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2012 2:25 PM > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Ctrl Break > > Hey Steve > I have to first thank both of you Steves for responding. No again the > companies keep dictating what you get, the Pause/Break key is gone. > Suckered again with the punch. > > Tony Septav > Nanaimo, BC > Canada > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Turner > Sent: September-20-12 2:07 PM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Ctrl Break > > You don't have a pause break key to the right of the f keys? > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tony Septav > Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2012 2:02 PM > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Ctrl Break > > Hey Steve > Nope, I have tried all kinds of CTRL combinations and I just do not get the > needed affect. > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Goodhall > Sent: September-20-12 1:56 PM > To: Access Developers discussion and problemsolving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Ctrl Break > > Does ctrl-c work? > > Steve Goodhall, MSCS, PMP > > -----Original message----- > From: Tony Septav > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > > Sent: Thu, Sep 20, 2012 18:51:48 GMT+00:00 > Subject: [AccessD] Ctrl Break > > Hey All > > On my new Dell machine on the keyboard I cannot find any Break key. On the > older versions of keyboards I would always use to bust out of a > code error message and jump to the spot it occurred. Is there an > alternative? > > > > PS: Windows 7 is causing me more grieve then I ever expected. > > > > Thanks > > Tony Septav > > Nanaimo, BC > > Canada > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2012.0.2221 / Virus Database: 2441/5281 - Release Date: > 09/20/12 > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2012.0.2221 / Virus Database: 2441/5281 - Release Date: > 09/20/12 > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2012.0.2221 / Virus Database: 2441/5281 - Release Date: 09/20/12 > From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Sat Sep 22 12:27:42 2012 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2012 13:27:42 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] =?windows-1252?q?10_things_Apple_won=92t_tell_you_-_Pag?= =?windows-1252?q?e_6_-_MarketWatch?= Message-ID: <505DF50E.8060906@colbyconsulting.com> Oh so true, every one. -- John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it http://articles.marketwatch.com/2012-08-07/finance/33066873_1_ipod-minis-apple-tv-ipad/6 From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Sat Sep 22 15:20:49 2012 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2012 13:20:49 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] FW: Ctrl Break In-Reply-To: <505DE874.3090708@colbyconsulting.com> References: <509ECD89ADE34160A627E40324BCBCC3@XPS><6C740A090A8B4BF984B5C7400867F4BF@HAL9007><21261A3620284B1AA6AA7C1C1BEF56E2@XPS> <505DE874.3090708@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <71AA636AD24F4E95B59DBEA07082432D@HAL9007> So what's in a name? Perhaps AccessD means you've AccesseD the best, friendliest, most knowledgeable technical minds and advice in the Western Hemisphere. Rocky -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: Saturday, September 22, 2012 9:34 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] FW: Ctrl Break I would like to point out that we just had a rather long thread having mostly nothing to do with Access, but the list provided an answer to the problem, provided some soothing words and just generally acted like family. :) John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it On 9/22/2012 11:25 AM, Jim Dettman wrote: > Rocky, > > > For all those questions, there's actually a nice article I found > when I checked into what the entry did (and it was on EE of all places): > > http://www.experts-exchange.com/OS/Microsoft_Operating_Systems/Windows > /A_215 5-Keyboard-Remapping-CAPSLOCK-to-Ctrl-and-Beyond.html > > > I recently bought a new Dell over the summer and the break key > wasn't on the keyboard. Checking on-line, I see it's now a common > problem. As many have noted, it's just not used much anymore. > > I found a post in the Dell forums referencing the registry hack, > which I checked out through the EE article (I always want to make sure > I understand any registry change and what it's doing before I use it). > That's where I also found the program reference, but I'd rather not > install software if I don't have to, so I have not tried it and used the registry hack instead. > > Basically, windows has a set of "virtual keys" representing all the > various function and keystrokes, which hardware and BIOS mfg's map to. > This registry change affects that mapping. > > This is happening at a very low level and if you do screw it up, you > can end up making a keystroke unavailable. If it happens to be a > critical one, then you'd need to use a second computer to do a remote registry change. > > The one posted however does work and I double checked what it's doing. > > The article was well worth a read because it also gets into those > special function/media keys that kick off programs on your PC and how > that's accomplished. > > < two more sub-folders - DosKeybCodes and DosKeybIDs. Ignore those? >> > > Yes. > > > Easiest is to do the change via file. Create a new text file on > your desktop (right click, new, text document) and call it > "mapctrlbreaktoF10.reg" > > Now edit it and paste in: > > Windows Registry Editor Version 5.00 > > [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Control\Keyboard Layout] > "Scancode > Map"=hex:00,00,00,00,00,00,00,00,02,00,00,00,46,e0,44,00,00,00,00,00 > > and save. Double click and you'll be asked if it's OK to import. > Click OK and then reboot. You should now find that F10 gives you a break. > > A small caution on doing the above; you need to check for that > registry key before you do the above because doing the above will wipe > out anything already there. This key should not exist by default. > > By the way, if you want to delete the mapping, just delete the key. > > Jim. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky > Smolin > Sent: Friday, September 21, 2012 09:13 AM > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > Subject: Re: [AccessD] FW: Ctrl Break > > Jim: > > It looked like a good thing to try but I'm not to good with the > registry and always real cautious. > > So I went to Regedit and when I drill down to Keyboard Layout I find > two more sub-folders - DosKeybCodes and DosKeybIDs. Ignore those? > > So then is this snip that remaps F10 a new key? > > There's one key in Keyboard Layout - Default. Do I edit that one? Or > create a new key? > > If a new key does it go into its own sub-folder or into the Keyboard > Layout folder? > > Is Scancode Map the Value Name and the snip starting with =hex entered > in the value data? > > > So many questions...:) > > Thanks > > Rocky > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman > Sent: Friday, September 21, 2012 5:07 AM > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > Subject: [AccessD] FW: Ctrl Break > > > > You guys miss this? > > Jim. > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman > Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2012 04:21 PM > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Ctrl Break > > > It's not there on mine either. I've remapped the F10 using this: > > [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Control\Keyboard Layout] > "Scancode > Map"=hex:00,00,00,00,00,00,00,00,02,00,00,00,46,e0,44,00,00,00,00,00 > > Some have said this program works well: > > http://www.randyrants.com/2008/12/sharpkeys_30.html > > But I haven't tried it yet. > > Jim. > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tony Septav > Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2012 04:07 PM > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Ctrl Break > > Hey Guys > Thank You kindly. > This is a new system. And does not exist on the new keyboard. > I am not criticizing any of your comments. > But ever since I bought this new Dell product with Windows 7 it has > been one problem after another. My major problem is that there is no > longer the option to do in Access 2003 to kill the Access > error message and view what is causing the problem in my code. > > The thing is I do not want to try my old keyboard, and I do not want > to talk to Dell's support people because I already told them I would > never buy another of their products. I am asking you guys if you can > give me some direction, that is all. > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve > Turner > Sent: September-20-12 2:45 PM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Ctrl Break > > Have you tried your old keyboard it should still work. I got a new > dell and I didn't like the light touch and one or two keys kept not > working so I put the old one back on and things work fine. Oh are you > on a laptop? Then you're up a creek I guess. > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tony Septav > Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2012 2:25 PM > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Ctrl Break > > Hey Steve > I have to first thank both of you Steves for responding. No again the > companies keep dictating what you get, the Pause/Break key is gone. > Suckered again with the punch. > > Tony Septav > Nanaimo, BC > Canada > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve > Turner > Sent: September-20-12 2:07 PM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Ctrl Break > > You don't have a pause break key to the right of the f keys? > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tony Septav > Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2012 2:02 PM > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Ctrl Break > > Hey Steve > Nope, I have tried all kinds of CTRL combinations and I just do not > get the needed affect. > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve > Goodhall > Sent: September-20-12 1:56 PM > To: Access Developers discussion and problemsolving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Ctrl Break > > Does ctrl-c work? > > Steve Goodhall, MSCS, PMP > > -----Original message----- > From: Tony Septav > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > > Sent: Thu, Sep 20, 2012 18:51:48 GMT+00:00 > Subject: [AccessD] Ctrl Break > > Hey All > > On my new Dell machine on the keyboard I cannot find any Break key. On > the older versions of keyboards I would always use to > bust out of a code error message and jump to the spot it occurred. Is > there an alternative? > > > > PS: Windows 7 is causing me more grieve then I ever expected. > > > > Thanks > > Tony Septav > > Nanaimo, BC > > Canada > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2012.0.2221 / Virus Database: 2441/5281 - Release Date: > 09/20/12 > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2012.0.2221 / Virus Database: 2441/5281 - Release Date: > 09/20/12 > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2012.0.2221 / Virus Database: 2441/5281 - Release Date: > 09/20/12 > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From TSeptav at Uniserve.com Sat Sep 22 15:30:43 2012 From: TSeptav at Uniserve.com (Tony Septav) Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2012 15:30:43 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] FW: Ctrl Break In-Reply-To: <505DE874.3090708@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <201209222030.q8MKUnVb016569@databaseadvisors.com> Hey John I am supposed to be lurking. After all these years dealing with a bumptious cranky old bastard I can honestly say "Hear, Hear". Now if I could only find where I put my glasses. Tony Septav Nanaimo, BC Canada -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: September-22-12 11:34 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] FW: Ctrl Break I would like to point out that we just had a rather long thread having mostly nothing to do with Access, but the list provided an answer to the problem, provided some soothing words and just generally acted like family. :) John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it On 9/22/2012 11:25 AM, Jim Dettman wrote: > Rocky, > > > For all those questions, there's actually a nice article I found when I > checked into what the entry did (and it was on EE of all places): > > http://www.experts-exchange.com/OS/Microsoft_Operating_Systems/Windows/A_215 > 5-Keyboard-Remapping-CAPSLOCK-to-Ctrl-and-Beyond.html > > > I recently bought a new Dell over the summer and the break key wasn't on > the keyboard. Checking on-line, I see it's now a common problem. As many > have noted, it's just not used much anymore. > > I found a post in the Dell forums referencing the registry hack, which I > checked out through the EE article (I always want to make sure I understand > any registry change and what it's doing before I use it). That's where I > also found the program reference, but I'd rather not install software if I > don't have to, so I have not tried it and used the registry hack instead. > > Basically, windows has a set of "virtual keys" representing all the various > function and keystrokes, which hardware and BIOS mfg's map to. This > registry change affects that mapping. > > This is happening at a very low level and if you do screw it up, you can > end up making a keystroke unavailable. If it happens to be a critical one, > then you'd need to use a second computer to do a remote registry change. > > The one posted however does work and I double checked what it's doing. > > The article was well worth a read because it also gets into those special > function/media keys that kick off programs on your PC and how that's > accomplished. > > < more sub-folders - DosKeybCodes and DosKeybIDs. Ignore those? >> > > Yes. > > > Easiest is to do the change via file. Create a new text file on your > desktop (right click, new, text document) and call it > "mapctrlbreaktoF10.reg" > > Now edit it and paste in: > > Windows Registry Editor Version 5.00 > > [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Control\Keyboard Layout] > "Scancode > Map"=hex:00,00,00,00,00,00,00,00,02,00,00,00,46,e0,44,00,00,00,00,00 > > and save. Double click and you'll be asked if it's OK to import. Click OK > and then reboot. You should now find that F10 gives you a break. > > A small caution on doing the above; you need to check for that registry key > before you do the above because doing the above will wipe out anything > already there. This key should not exist by default. > > By the way, if you want to delete the mapping, just delete the key. > > Jim. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin > Sent: Friday, September 21, 2012 09:13 AM > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > Subject: Re: [AccessD] FW: Ctrl Break > > Jim: > > It looked like a good thing to try but I'm not to good with the registry and > always real cautious. > > So I went to Regedit and when I drill down to Keyboard Layout I find two > more sub-folders - DosKeybCodes and DosKeybIDs. Ignore those? > > So then is this snip that remaps F10 a new key? > > There's one key in Keyboard Layout - Default. Do I edit that one? Or > create a new key? > > If a new key does it go into its own sub-folder or into the Keyboard Layout > folder? > > Is Scancode Map the Value Name and the snip starting with =hex entered in > the value data? > > > So many questions...:) > > Thanks > > Rocky > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman > Sent: Friday, September 21, 2012 5:07 AM > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > Subject: [AccessD] FW: Ctrl Break > > > > You guys miss this? > > Jim. > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman > Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2012 04:21 PM > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Ctrl Break > > > It's not there on mine either. I've remapped the F10 using this: > > [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Control\Keyboard Layout] > "Scancode > Map"=hex:00,00,00,00,00,00,00,00,02,00,00,00,46,e0,44,00,00,00,00,00 > > Some have said this program works well: > > http://www.randyrants.com/2008/12/sharpkeys_30.html > > But I haven't tried it yet. > > Jim. > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tony Septav > Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2012 04:07 PM > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Ctrl Break > > Hey Guys > Thank You kindly. > This is a new system. And does not exist on the new keyboard. > I am not criticizing any of your comments. > But ever since I bought this new Dell product with Windows 7 it has been one > problem after another. My major problem is that there is no longer the > option to do in Access 2003 to kill the Access error message > and view what is causing the problem in my code. > > The thing is I do not want to try my old keyboard, and I do not want to > talk to Dell's support people because I already told them I would never buy > another of their products. I am asking you guys if you can give me some > direction, that is all. > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Turner > Sent: September-20-12 2:45 PM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Ctrl Break > > Have you tried your old keyboard it should still work. I got a new dell and > I didn't like the light touch and one or two keys kept not working so I put > the old one back on and things work fine. Oh are you on a laptop? Then > you're up a creek I guess. > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tony Septav > Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2012 2:25 PM > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Ctrl Break > > Hey Steve > I have to first thank both of you Steves for responding. No again the > companies keep dictating what you get, the Pause/Break key is gone. > Suckered again with the punch. > > Tony Septav > Nanaimo, BC > Canada > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Turner > Sent: September-20-12 2:07 PM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Ctrl Break > > You don't have a pause break key to the right of the f keys? > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tony Septav > Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2012 2:02 PM > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Ctrl Break > > Hey Steve > Nope, I have tried all kinds of CTRL combinations and I just do not get the > needed affect. > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Goodhall > Sent: September-20-12 1:56 PM > To: Access Developers discussion and problemsolving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Ctrl Break > > Does ctrl-c work? > > Steve Goodhall, MSCS, PMP > > -----Original message----- > From: Tony Septav > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > > Sent: Thu, Sep 20, 2012 18:51:48 GMT+00:00 > Subject: [AccessD] Ctrl Break > > Hey All > > On my new Dell machine on the keyboard I cannot find any Break key. On the > older versions of keyboards I would always use to bust out of a > code error message and jump to the spot it occurred. Is there an > alternative? > > > > PS: Windows 7 is causing me more grieve then I ever expected. > > > > Thanks > > Tony Septav > > Nanaimo, BC > > Canada > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2012.0.2221 / Virus Database: 2441/5281 - Release Date: > 09/20/12 > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2012.0.2221 / Virus Database: 2441/5281 - Release Date: > 09/20/12 > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2012.0.2221 / Virus Database: 2441/5281 - Release Date: 09/20/12 > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2221 / Virus Database: 2441/5285 - Release Date: 09/22/12 From TSeptav at Uniserve.com Sun Sep 23 11:12:43 2012 From: TSeptav at Uniserve.com (Tony Septav) Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2012 11:12:43 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Basic4Android Message-ID: <201209231612.q8NGCnMn022025@databaseadvisors.com> Hey Stuart I need a review on Basic4Android. I read an interesting article in my local newspaper on the cost of developing Apps for IP and Android phone/pads. The basics of the article was it is expensive for the developer to design an App and then hope to sell 1,000s of the product to reap a profit. The article said in general it cost about $25,000 to develop the App. This would be prohibitive to sell to a single institution or business. In the past I have designed many applications for clients to collect data in the field using PALM and Pocket PCs and allowing them the ability to transfer that data to an ACCESS application. I am thinking of designing customized data collection Apps (no fluff or flair) for clients at a reasonable price (using basically the same concept as the PALM and Pocket PC) and allowing the transfer of the information to an ACCESS application. Is this idea applicable to Basc4Android programming? I am not a VB programmer but rather a VBA programmer. If this is possible? If so it may mean opportunities for other developers to source in this community. Thanks Tony Septav Nanaimo, BC Canada From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Sun Sep 23 17:26:43 2012 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2012 08:26:43 +1000 Subject: [AccessD] Basic4Android In-Reply-To: <201209231612.q8NGCnMn022025@databaseadvisors.com> References: <201209231612.q8NGCnMn022025@databaseadvisors.com> Message-ID: <505F8CA3.18865.F746078@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Hi Tony, The cost to develop an app obviously depends on what sort of an app it it. You get a lot of development for $25K :-) The data collection you describe is exactly the sort of thing I am working on. If you are familiar with the concept of VBA and object properties and methods, you will find B4A easy to pick up: A Form is a Actvitiy, a Control is a View. You place Views on Actvities in a visual designer and then B4A creates a Layout file and module with various empty event Subs where you then put your logic. Here's the complete source for the first app in the Beginners Guide (a simple math test program). As an experienced VBA programmer, you'll have no problem making sense of it. (Note that several of the subs are not used, but were created automatically by B4A) 'Activity module Sub Process_Globals 'These global variables will be declared once when the application starts. 'These variables can be accessed from all modules. End Sub Sub Globals 'These global variables will be redeclared each time the activity is created. 'These variables can only be accessed from this module. Dim btnAction As Button Dim edtResult As EditText Dim lblComments As Label Dim lblMathSign As Label Dim lblNumber1 As Label Dim lblNumber2 As Label Dim Number1, Number2 As Int End Sub Sub Activity_Create(FirstTime As Boolean) Activity.LoadLayout("Main") New End Sub Sub Activity_Resume End Sub Sub Activity_Pause (UserClosed As Boolean) End Sub Sub btnAction_Click If btnAction.Text = "O K" Then If edtResult.Text="" Then Msgbox("No result entered","E R R O R") Else CheckResult End If Else New btnAction.Text = "O K" End If End Sub Sub New Number1 = Rnd(1, 10) ' Generates a random number between 1 and 9 Number2 = Rnd(1, 10) ' Generates a random number between 1 and 9 lblNumber1.Text = Number1 ' Displays Number1 in label lblNumber1 lblNumber2.Text = Number2 ' Displays Number2 in label lblNumber2 lblComments.Text = "Enter the result" & CRLF & "and click on OK" edtResult.Text = "" ' Sets edtResult.Text to empty End Sub Sub CheckResult If edtResult.Text = Number1 + Number2 Then lblComments.Text = "G O O D result" & CRLF & "Click on NEW" btnAction.Text = "N E W" Else lblComments.Text = "W R O N G result" & CRLF & "Enter a new result" & CRLF & "and click OK" End If End Sub Data collection is easy to do. Android comes with an SQLite engine built in. So all you need to do is create a database with the necessary tables, Dim and instantiate a SQL object, build appropriate SQL strings where required and then use commands such as SQL1.ExecNonQuery(steUpdateQry) etc. There are lots of ways to get data between the SQLite database and Access. I have written a PowerBasic application to do it, but for want of any other way, you could just write routines to generate/import delimited text files on either side. The trial version is free to download. If you have a suitable android device available, give it a try. On 23 Sep 2012 at 11:12, Tony Septav wrote: > Hey Stuart > > I need a review on Basic4Android. I read an interesting article in my local > newspaper on the cost of developing Apps for IP and Android phone/pads. The > basics of the article was it is expensive for the developer to design an App > and then hope to sell 1,000s of the product to reap a profit. The article > said in general it cost about $25,000 to develop the App. This would be > prohibitive to sell to a single institution or business. In the past I have > designed many applications for clients to collect data in the field using > PALM and Pocket PCs and allowing them the ability to transfer that data to > an ACCESS application. I am thinking of designing customized data collection > Apps (no fluff or flair) for clients at a reasonable price (using basically > the same concept as the PALM and Pocket PC) and allowing the transfer of the > information to an ACCESS application. Is this idea applicable to > Basc4Android programming? I am not a VB programmer but rather a VBA > programmer. If this is possible? If so it may mean opportunities for other > developers to source in this community. > From TSeptav at Uniserve.com Sun Sep 23 17:36:00 2012 From: TSeptav at Uniserve.com (Tony Septav) Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2012 17:36:00 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Basic4Android In-Reply-To: <505F8CA3.18865.F746078@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <201209232236.q8NMa5AU010318@databaseadvisors.com> Hey Stuart Excellent advice, I am thinking I may be on my way. I hope others will look at this opportunity. Thanks kindly again. Tony Septav Nanaimo, BC Canada -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan Sent: September-23-12 5:27 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Basic4Android Hi Tony, The cost to develop an app obviously depends on what sort of an app it it. You get a lot of development for $25K :-) The data collection you describe is exactly the sort of thing I am working on. If you are familiar with the concept of VBA and object properties and methods, you will find B4A easy to pick up: A Form is a Actvitiy, a Control is a View. You place Views on Actvities in a visual designer and then B4A creates a Layout file and module with various empty event Subs where you then put your logic. Here's the complete source for the first app in the Beginners Guide (a simple math test program). As an experienced VBA programmer, you'll have no problem making sense of it. (Note that several of the subs are not used, but were created automatically by B4A) 'Activity module Sub Process_Globals 'These global variables will be declared once when the application starts. 'These variables can be accessed from all modules. End Sub Sub Globals 'These global variables will be redeclared each time the activity is created. 'These variables can only be accessed from this module. Dim btnAction As Button Dim edtResult As EditText Dim lblComments As Label Dim lblMathSign As Label Dim lblNumber1 As Label Dim lblNumber2 As Label Dim Number1, Number2 As Int End Sub Sub Activity_Create(FirstTime As Boolean) Activity.LoadLayout("Main") New End Sub Sub Activity_Resume End Sub Sub Activity_Pause (UserClosed As Boolean) End Sub Sub btnAction_Click If btnAction.Text = "O K" Then If edtResult.Text="" Then Msgbox("No result entered","E R R O R") Else CheckResult End If Else New btnAction.Text = "O K" End If End Sub Sub New Number1 = Rnd(1, 10) ' Generates a random number between 1 and 9 Number2 = Rnd(1, 10) ' Generates a random number between 1 and 9 lblNumber1.Text = Number1 ' Displays Number1 in label lblNumber1 lblNumber2.Text = Number2 ' Displays Number2 in label lblNumber2 lblComments.Text = "Enter the result" & CRLF & "and click on OK" edtResult.Text = "" ' Sets edtResult.Text to empty End Sub Sub CheckResult If edtResult.Text = Number1 + Number2 Then lblComments.Text = "G O O D result" & CRLF & "Click on NEW" btnAction.Text = "N E W" Else lblComments.Text = "W R O N G result" & CRLF & "Enter a new result" & CRLF & "and click OK" End If End Sub Data collection is easy to do. Android comes with an SQLite engine built in. So all you need to do is create a database with the necessary tables, Dim and instantiate a SQL object, build appropriate SQL strings where required and then use commands such as SQL1.ExecNonQuery(steUpdateQry) etc. There are lots of ways to get data between the SQLite database and Access. I have written a PowerBasic application to do it, but for want of any other way, you could just write routines to generate/import delimited text files on either side. The trial version is free to download. If you have a suitable android device available, give it a try. On 23 Sep 2012 at 11:12, Tony Septav wrote: > Hey Stuart > > I need a review on Basic4Android. I read an interesting article in my local > newspaper on the cost of developing Apps for IP and Android phone/pads. The > basics of the article was it is expensive for the developer to design an App > and then hope to sell 1,000s of the product to reap a profit. The article > said in general it cost about $25,000 to develop the App. This would be > prohibitive to sell to a single institution or business. In the past I have > designed many applications for clients to collect data in the field using > PALM and Pocket PCs and allowing them the ability to transfer that data to > an ACCESS application. I am thinking of designing customized data collection > Apps (no fluff or flair) for clients at a reasonable price (using basically > the same concept as the PALM and Pocket PC) and allowing the transfer of the > information to an ACCESS application. Is this idea applicable to > Basc4Android programming? I am not a VB programmer but rather a VBA > programmer. If this is possible? If so it may mean opportunities for other > developers to source in this community. > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2221 / Virus Database: 2441/5287 - Release Date: 09/23/12 From marksimms at verizon.net Sun Sep 23 18:59:55 2012 From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms) Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2012 19:59:55 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Basic4Android In-Reply-To: <505F8CA3.18865.F746078@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: <201209231612.q8NGCnMn022025@databaseadvisors.com> <505F8CA3.18865.F746078@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <00a301cd99e7$88035fb0$980a1f10$@net> Very interesting..and of course, one might ask: Where's MSFT in all of this and Windows 8 ? Have we already written it off ? You are aware of course the VS2013 is supposed to be a blockbuster of a release. As I had indicated in a prior post...about Samsung's deliberate move to Android from Windows Mobile 7.5. That just had to be a "Tell". > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd- > bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan > Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2012 6:27 PM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Basic4Android > > Hi Tony, > The cost to develop an app obviously depends on what sort of an app it > it. You get a lot of > development for $25K :-) > The data collection you describe is exactly the sort of thing I am > working on. > If you are familiar with the concept of VBA and object properties and > methods, you will find > B4A easy to pick up: > A Form is a Actvitiy, a Control is a View. > You place Views on Actvities in a visual designer and then B4A creates > a Layout file and > module with various empty event Subs where you then put your logic. > Here's the complete source for the first app in the Beginners Guide (a > simple math test > program). As an experienced VBA programmer, you'll have no problem > making sense of it. > (Note that several of the subs are not used, but were created > automatically by B4A) > 'Activity module > Sub Process_Globals > 'These global variables will be declared once when the application > starts. > 'These variables can be accessed from all modules. > End Sub > Sub Globals > 'These global variables will be redeclared each time the activity is > created. > 'These variables can only be accessed from this module. > Dim btnAction As Button > Dim edtResult As EditText > Dim lblComments As Label > Dim lblMathSign As Label > Dim lblNumber1 As Label > Dim lblNumber2 As Label > Dim Number1, Number2 As Int > End Sub > Sub Activity_Create(FirstTime As Boolean) > Activity.LoadLayout("Main") > New > End Sub > Sub Activity_Resume > End Sub > Sub Activity_Pause (UserClosed As Boolean) > End Sub > Sub btnAction_Click > If btnAction.Text = "O K" Then > If edtResult.Text="" Then > Msgbox("No result entered","E R R O R") > Else > CheckResult > End If > Else > New > btnAction.Text = "O K" > End If > End Sub > Sub New > Number1 = Rnd(1, 10) ' Generates a random number between 1 and 9 > Number2 = Rnd(1, 10) ' Generates a random number between 1 and 9 > lblNumber1.Text = Number1 ' Displays Number1 in label lblNumber1 > lblNumber2.Text = Number2 ' Displays Number2 in label lblNumber2 > lblComments.Text = "Enter the result" & CRLF & "and click on OK" > edtResult.Text = "" ' Sets edtResult.Text to empty > End Sub > Sub CheckResult > If edtResult.Text = Number1 + Number2 Then > lblComments.Text = "G O O D result" & CRLF & "Click on NEW" > btnAction.Text = "N E W" > Else > lblComments.Text = "W R O N G result" & CRLF & "Enter a new result" & > CRLF & "and click > OK" > End If > End Sub > Data collection is easy to do. Android comes with an SQLite engine > built in. So all you need > to do is create a database with the necessary tables, Dim and > instantiate a SQL object, build > appropriate SQL strings where required and then use commands such as > SQL1.ExecNonQuery(steUpdateQry) etc. > There are lots of ways to get data between the SQLite database and > Access. I have written a > PowerBasic application to do it, but for want of any other way, you > could just write routines to > generate/import delimited text files on either side. > The trial version is free to download. If you have a suitable android > device available, give it a > try. > On 23 Sep 2012 at 11:12, Tony Septav wrote: > > Hey Stuart > > > > I need a review on Basic4Android. I read an interesting article in my > local > > newspaper on the cost of developing Apps for IP and Android > phone/pads. The > > basics of the article was it is expensive for the developer to design > an App > > and then hope to sell 1,000s of the product to reap a profit. The > article > > said in general it cost about $25,000 to develop the App. This would > be > > prohibitive to sell to a single institution or business. In the past > I have > > designed many applications for clients to collect data in the field > using > > PALM and Pocket PCs and allowing them the ability to transfer that > data to > > an ACCESS application. I am thinking of designing customized data > collection > > Apps (no fluff or flair) for clients at a reasonable price (using > basically > > the same concept as the PALM and Pocket PC) and allowing the transfer > of the > > information to an ACCESS application. Is this idea applicable to > > Basc4Android programming? I am not a VB programmer but rather a VBA > > programmer. If this is possible? If so it may mean opportunities for > other > > developers to source in this community. > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From TSeptav at Uniserve.com Sun Sep 23 19:57:36 2012 From: TSeptav at Uniserve.com (Tony Septav) Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2012 19:57:36 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Basic4Android In-Reply-To: <00a301cd99e7$88035fb0$980a1f10$@net> Message-ID: <201209240057.q8O0vg3p003873@databaseadvisors.com> Hey Mark My feeling is MS left out the ACCESS developers, I have I written them off. Yes. Might be a big mistake but at this point who cares. Where was MS when we needed them. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Simms Sent: September-23-12 7:00 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Basic4Android Very interesting..and of course, one might ask: Where's MSFT in all of this and Windows 8 ? Have we already written it off ? You are aware of course the VS2013 is supposed to be a blockbuster of a release. As I had indicated in a prior post...about Samsung's deliberate move to Android from Windows Mobile 7.5. That just had to be a "Tell". > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd- > bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan > Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2012 6:27 PM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Basic4Android > > Hi Tony, > The cost to develop an app obviously depends on what sort of an app it > it. You get a lot of > development for $25K :-) > The data collection you describe is exactly the sort of thing I am > working on. > If you are familiar with the concept of VBA and object properties and > methods, you will find > B4A easy to pick up: > A Form is a Actvitiy, a Control is a View. > You place Views on Actvities in a visual designer and then B4A creates > a Layout file and > module with various empty event Subs where you then put your logic. > Here's the complete source for the first app in the Beginners Guide (a > simple math test > program). As an experienced VBA programmer, you'll have no problem > making sense of it. > (Note that several of the subs are not used, but were created > automatically by B4A) > 'Activity module > Sub Process_Globals > 'These global variables will be declared once when the application > starts. > 'These variables can be accessed from all modules. > End Sub > Sub Globals > 'These global variables will be redeclared each time the activity is > created. > 'These variables can only be accessed from this module. > Dim btnAction As Button > Dim edtResult As EditText > Dim lblComments As Label > Dim lblMathSign As Label > Dim lblNumber1 As Label > Dim lblNumber2 As Label > Dim Number1, Number2 As Int > End Sub > Sub Activity_Create(FirstTime As Boolean) > Activity.LoadLayout("Main") > New > End Sub > Sub Activity_Resume > End Sub > Sub Activity_Pause (UserClosed As Boolean) > End Sub > Sub btnAction_Click > If btnAction.Text = "O K" Then > If edtResult.Text="" Then > Msgbox("No result entered","E R R O R") > Else > CheckResult > End If > Else > New > btnAction.Text = "O K" > End If > End Sub > Sub New > Number1 = Rnd(1, 10) ' Generates a random number between 1 and 9 > Number2 = Rnd(1, 10) ' Generates a random number between 1 and 9 > lblNumber1.Text = Number1 ' Displays Number1 in label lblNumber1 > lblNumber2.Text = Number2 ' Displays Number2 in label lblNumber2 > lblComments.Text = "Enter the result" & CRLF & "and click on OK" > edtResult.Text = "" ' Sets edtResult.Text to empty > End Sub > Sub CheckResult > If edtResult.Text = Number1 + Number2 Then > lblComments.Text = "G O O D result" & CRLF & "Click on NEW" > btnAction.Text = "N E W" > Else > lblComments.Text = "W R O N G result" & CRLF & "Enter a new result" & > CRLF & "and click > OK" > End If > End Sub > Data collection is easy to do. Android comes with an SQLite engine > built in. So all you need > to do is create a database with the necessary tables, Dim and > instantiate a SQL object, build > appropriate SQL strings where required and then use commands such as > SQL1.ExecNonQuery(steUpdateQry) etc. > There are lots of ways to get data between the SQLite database and > Access. I have written a > PowerBasic application to do it, but for want of any other way, you > could just write routines to > generate/import delimited text files on either side. > The trial version is free to download. If you have a suitable android > device available, give it a > try. > On 23 Sep 2012 at 11:12, Tony Septav wrote: > > Hey Stuart > > > > I need a review on Basic4Android. I read an interesting article in my > local > > newspaper on the cost of developing Apps for IP and Android > phone/pads. The > > basics of the article was it is expensive for the developer to design > an App > > and then hope to sell 1,000s of the product to reap a profit. The > article > > said in general it cost about $25,000 to develop the App. This would > be > > prohibitive to sell to a single institution or business. In the past > I have > > designed many applications for clients to collect data in the field > using > > PALM and Pocket PCs and allowing them the ability to transfer that > data to > > an ACCESS application. I am thinking of designing customized data > collection > > Apps (no fluff or flair) for clients at a reasonable price (using > basically > > the same concept as the PALM and Pocket PC) and allowing the transfer > of the > > information to an ACCESS application. Is this idea applicable to > > Basc4Android programming? I am not a VB programmer but rather a VBA > > programmer. If this is possible? If so it may mean opportunities for > other > > developers to source in this community. > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2221 / Virus Database: 2441/5288 - Release Date: 09/23/12 From TSeptav at Uniserve.com Sun Sep 23 20:10:59 2012 From: TSeptav at Uniserve.com (Tony Septav) Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2012 20:10:59 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Alpha Five Message-ID: <201209240111.q8O1B4Ib013277@databaseadvisors.com> Hey Arthur Tell us why you have switched to Alpha Five (or whatever it is called). And the benefits you see in using this program. Thanks Tony Septav Nanaimo, BC Canada From gustav at cactus.dk Mon Sep 24 01:11:00 2012 From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2012 08:11:00 +0200 Subject: [AccessD] MSFT (was: Basic4Android) Message-ID: Hi Tony They were busy improving Visual Studio, now at 2012: http://www.microsoft.com/visualstudio/eng/products/visual-studio-express-for-windows-8 Note that in addition to the VS2010 Express editions, three free 2012 versions now are available: Express for Web Express for Windows 8 Express for Windows Desktop and also a source server, Team Foundation Server Express. Also, MAPS Developer (the Action Pack) now includes VS2012 Premium. /gustav >>> TSeptav at uniserve.com 24-09-12 2:57 >>> Hey Mark My feeling is MS left out the ACCESS developers, I have I written them off. Yes. Might be a big mistake but at this point who cares. Where was MS when we needed them. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Simms Sent: September-23-12 7:00 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Basic4Android Very interesting..and of course, one might ask: Where's MSFT in all of this and Windows 8 ? Have we already written it off ? You are aware of course the VS2013 is supposed to be a blockbuster of a release. As I had indicated in a prior post...about Samsung's deliberate move to Android from Windows Mobile 7.5. That just had to be a "Tell". From fuller.artful at gmail.com Mon Sep 24 04:56:44 2012 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2012 05:56:44 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Alpha Five In-Reply-To: <201209240111.q8O1B4Ib013277@databaseadvisors.com> References: <201209240111.q8O1B4Ib013277@databaseadvisors.com> Message-ID: First of all, I haven't switched so much as opened a new avenue. I still do occasional work in Access, almost always against a SQL BE. But I am very much intrerested in Alpha Five, for these reasons: -- It offers a whole bunch of web-dev tools, and integrates with Ajax, Javascript, HTML5. ASP.NET, PHP and most anything I can think of. -- It hasn't abandoned the desktop model. At the start of any given project, you can choose to target Desktop or Web; Halfway into a project, you can change horses, as it were. -- There are abundant wizards to perform common tasks; the abundance and power of these make the Access wizards pale in comparison. -- The programming language, Xbasic, is similar to Access VBA but much more powerful. It also offers true object orientation. -- There is a collection of Feature Packs, available at extra cost, which provide additional capabilities. One such is dedicated to Graphics and Charting. There are many more, some created by Alpha and some by third parties. Alpha gets behind any creators of Feature Packs. -- There are dozens of example programs and video tutorials. In this respect, Alpha leaves Access in the dust. -- Whenevr I've asked for help, I have received a response the same day, and sometimes within the hour. -- Once you're ready to turn pro (I'm not there quite yet), Alpha offers a subscription plan that gives you not only updates but any new Feature Pack that may be introduced (not including the third party packs, of course, just the ones created by Alpha). -- Alpha Five has its own data-file format, but the company is well aware that it's going up against Access, and for that reason its next two back ends are Access and SQL Server. Beyond that, it can connect to virtually anything that supports ODBC. Further, you can change back-ends very easily. Not all is a bed of roses. There are a couple of down sides: -- To run a web app requires the Alpha application server, which means that you'll need an additional license enabling you to install the app server on your client's machine. The fee is well within reason, and it allows you to install the server on multiple client locations. But it is a cost to factor in. (The product includes a copy of the app server, so you can develop and test your app, but subsequent client installations require the license.) -- Despite the similarity of programming language, a lot of the event names are slightly different -- it's still pretty obvious which Alpha events correspond to which Access events, but it is a consideration. -- The largest problem is that the web-app server runs only on Windows. So other approaches (say, PHP and/or Javascript + jQuery) may be your only avenue, should you need your app to run on a Linux server. That's a quick summary of my impressions thus far. You can always visit the site (www.alphasoftware.com) and read more about it, and download a trial version if so inclined. On Sun, Sep 23, 2012 at 9:10 PM, Tony Septav wrote: > Hey Arthur > > Tell us why you have switched to Alpha Five (or whatever it is called). > And > the benefits you see in using this program. > > > > Thanks > > > > Tony Septav > > Nanaimo, BC > > Canada > -- Arthur Cell: 647.710.1314 The most likely way for the world to be destroyed, most experts agree, is by accident. That's where we come in; we're computer professionals. We cause accidents. -Nathaniel Borenstein From gustav at cactus.dk Mon Sep 24 05:37:33 2012 From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2012 12:37:33 +0200 Subject: [AccessD] Alpha Five Message-ID: Hi Arthur But at USD 349 + 499 + 499 => ouch!? /gustav >>> fuller.artful at gmail.com 24-09-12 11:56 >>> First of all, I haven't switched so much as opened a new avenue. I still do occasional work in Access, almost always against a SQL BE. But I am very much intrerested in Alpha Five, for these reasons: -- It offers a whole bunch of web-dev tools, and integrates with Ajax, Javascript, HTML5. ASP.NET, PHP and most anything I can think of. -- It hasn't abandoned the desktop model. At the start of any given project, you can choose to target Desktop or Web; Halfway into a project, you can change horses, as it were. -- There are abundant wizards to perform common tasks; the abundance and power of these make the Access wizards pale in comparison. -- The programming language, Xbasic, is similar to Access VBA but much more powerful. It also offers true object orientation. -- There is a collection of Feature Packs, available at extra cost, which provide additional capabilities. One such is dedicated to Graphics and Charting. There are many more, some created by Alpha and some by third parties. Alpha gets behind any creators of Feature Packs. -- There are dozens of example programs and video tutorials. In this respect, Alpha leaves Access in the dust. -- Whenevr I've asked for help, I have received a response the same day, and sometimes within the hour. -- Once you're ready to turn pro (I'm not there quite yet), Alpha offers a subscription plan that gives you not only updates but any new Feature Pack that may be introduced (not including the third party packs, of course, just the ones created by Alpha). -- Alpha Five has its own data-file format, but the company is well aware that it's going up against Access, and for that reason its next two back ends are Access and SQL Server. Beyond that, it can connect to virtually anything that supports ODBC. Further, you can change back-ends very easily. Not all is a bed of roses. There are a couple of down sides: -- To run a web app requires the Alpha application server, which means that you'll need an additional license enabling you to install the app server on your client's machine. The fee is well within reason, and it allows you to install the server on multiple client locations. But it is a cost to factor in. (The product includes a copy of the app server, so you can develop and test your app, but subsequent client installations require the license.) -- Despite the similarity of programming language, a lot of the event names are slightly different -- it's still pretty obvious which Alpha events correspond to which Access events, but it is a consideration. -- The largest problem is that the web-app server runs only on Windows. So other approaches (say, PHP and/or Javascript + jQuery) may be your only avenue, should you need your app to run on a Linux server. That's a quick summary of my impressions thus far. You can always visit the site (www.alphasoftware.com) and read more about it, and download a trial version if so inclined. On Sun, Sep 23, 2012 at 9:10 PM, Tony Septav wrote: > Hey Arthur > > Tell us why you have switched to Alpha Five (or whatever it is called). > And > the benefits you see in using this program. > > > > Thanks > > > > Tony Septav > > Nanaimo, BC > > Canada > -- Arthur From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Mon Sep 24 07:34:09 2012 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2012 08:34:09 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Basic4Android In-Reply-To: <505F8CA3.18865.F746078@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: <201209231612.q8NGCnMn022025@databaseadvisors.com> <505F8CA3.18865.F746078@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <50605341.8000501@colbyconsulting.com> They have a 30% discount for the next three days. Their price is reasonable anyway but $34 for the standard version $70 for two years of upgrades is a very good price. Too good for me to pass up I think. John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it On 9/23/2012 6:26 PM, Stuart McLachlan wrote: > Hi Tony, > The cost to develop an app obviously depends on what sort of an app it it. You get a lot of > development for $25K :-) > The data collection you describe is exactly the sort of thing I am working on. > If you are familiar with the concept of VBA and object properties and methods, you will find > B4A easy to pick up: > A Form is a Actvitiy, a Control is a View. > You place Views on Actvities in a visual designer and then B4A creates a Layout file and > module with various empty event Subs where you then put your logic. > Here's the complete source for the first app in the Beginners Guide (a simple math test > program). As an experienced VBA programmer, you'll have no problem making sense of it. > (Note that several of the subs are not used, but were created automatically by B4A) > 'Activity module > Sub Process_Globals > 'These global variables will be declared once when the application starts. > 'These variables can be accessed from all modules. > End Sub > Sub Globals > 'These global variables will be redeclared each time the activity is created. > 'These variables can only be accessed from this module. > Dim btnAction As Button > Dim edtResult As EditText > Dim lblComments As Label > Dim lblMathSign As Label > Dim lblNumber1 As Label > Dim lblNumber2 As Label > Dim Number1, Number2 As Int > End Sub > Sub Activity_Create(FirstTime As Boolean) > Activity.LoadLayout("Main") > New > End Sub > Sub Activity_Resume > End Sub > Sub Activity_Pause (UserClosed As Boolean) > End Sub > Sub btnAction_Click > If btnAction.Text = "O K" Then > If edtResult.Text="" Then > Msgbox("No result entered","E R R O R") > Else > CheckResult > End If > Else > New > btnAction.Text = "O K" > End If > End Sub > Sub New > Number1 = Rnd(1, 10) ' Generates a random number between 1 and 9 > Number2 = Rnd(1, 10) ' Generates a random number between 1 and 9 > lblNumber1.Text = Number1 ' Displays Number1 in label lblNumber1 > lblNumber2.Text = Number2 ' Displays Number2 in label lblNumber2 > lblComments.Text = "Enter the result" & CRLF & "and click on OK" > edtResult.Text = "" ' Sets edtResult.Text to empty > End Sub > Sub CheckResult > If edtResult.Text = Number1 + Number2 Then > lblComments.Text = "G O O D result" & CRLF & "Click on NEW" > btnAction.Text = "N E W" > Else > lblComments.Text = "W R O N G result" & CRLF & "Enter a new result" & CRLF & "and click > OK" > End If > End Sub > Data collection is easy to do. Android comes with an SQLite engine built in. So all you need > to do is create a database with the necessary tables, Dim and instantiate a SQL object, build > appropriate SQL strings where required and then use commands such as > SQL1.ExecNonQuery(steUpdateQry) etc. > There are lots of ways to get data between the SQLite database and Access. I have written a > PowerBasic application to do it, but for want of any other way, you could just write routines to > generate/import delimited text files on either side. > The trial version is free to download. If you have a suitable android device available, give it a > try. > On 23 Sep 2012 at 11:12, Tony Septav wrote: >> Hey Stuart >> >> I need a review on Basic4Android. I read an interesting article in my local >> newspaper on the cost of developing Apps for IP and Android phone/pads. The >> basics of the article was it is expensive for the developer to design an App >> and then hope to sell 1,000s of the product to reap a profit. The article >> said in general it cost about $25,000 to develop the App. This would be >> prohibitive to sell to a single institution or business. In the past I have >> designed many applications for clients to collect data in the field using >> PALM and Pocket PCs and allowing them the ability to transfer that data to >> an ACCESS application. I am thinking of designing customized data collection >> Apps (no fluff or flair) for clients at a reasonable price (using basically >> the same concept as the PALM and Pocket PC) and allowing the transfer of the >> information to an ACCESS application. Is this idea applicable to >> Basc4Android programming? I am not a VB programmer but rather a VBA >> programmer. If this is possible? If so it may mean opportunities for other >> developers to source in this community. >> > From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Mon Sep 24 07:42:41 2012 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2012 08:42:41 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Alpha Five In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <50605541.8080400@colbyconsulting.com> That's my feeling exactly. Ouch. It looks like a nice system but ouch. John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it On 9/24/2012 6:37 AM, Gustav Brock wrote: > Hi Arthur > > But at USD 349 + 499 + 499 => ouch!? > > /gustav > > >>>> fuller.artful at gmail.com 24-09-12 11:56 >>> > First of all, I haven't switched so much as opened a new avenue. I still do > occasional work in Access, almost always against a SQL BE. But I am very > much intrerested in Alpha Five, for these reasons: > > -- It offers a whole bunch of web-dev tools, and integrates with Ajax, > Javascript, HTML5. ASP.NET, PHP and most anything I can think of. > -- It hasn't abandoned the desktop model. At the start of any given > project, you can choose to target Desktop or Web; Halfway into a project, > you can change horses, as it were. > -- There are abundant wizards to perform common tasks; the abundance and > power of these make the Access wizards pale in comparison. > -- The programming language, Xbasic, is similar to Access VBA but much more > powerful. It also offers true object orientation. > -- There is a collection of Feature Packs, available at extra cost, which > provide additional capabilities. One such is dedicated to Graphics and > Charting. There are many more, some created by Alpha and some by third > parties. Alpha gets behind any creators of Feature Packs. > -- There are dozens of example programs and video tutorials. In this > respect, Alpha leaves Access in the dust. > -- Whenevr I've asked for help, I have received a response the same day, > and sometimes within the hour. > -- Once you're ready to turn pro (I'm not there quite yet), Alpha offers a > subscription plan that gives you not only updates but any new Feature Pack > that may be introduced (not including the third party packs, of course, > just the ones created by Alpha). > -- Alpha Five has its own data-file format, but the company is well aware > that it's going up against Access, and for that reason its next two back > ends are Access and SQL Server. Beyond that, it can connect to virtually > anything that supports ODBC. Further, you can change back-ends very easily. > > Not all is a bed of roses. There are a couple of down sides: > -- To run a web app requires the Alpha application server, which means that > you'll need an additional license enabling you to install the app server on > your client's machine. The fee is well within reason, and it allows you to > install the server on multiple client locations. But it is a cost to factor > in. (The product includes a copy of the app server, so you can develop and > test your app, but subsequent client installations require the license.) > -- Despite the similarity of programming language, a lot of the event names > are slightly different -- it's still pretty obvious which Alpha events > correspond to which Access events, but it is a consideration. > -- The largest problem is that the web-app server runs only on Windows. So > other approaches (say, PHP and/or Javascript + jQuery) may be your only > avenue, should you need your app to run on a Linux server. > > That's a quick summary of my impressions thus far. You can always visit the > site (www.alphasoftware.com) and read more about it, and download a trial > version if so inclined. > > On Sun, Sep 23, 2012 at 9:10 PM, Tony Septav wrote: > >> Hey Arthur >> >> Tell us why you have switched to Alpha Five (or whatever it is called). >> And >> the benefits you see in using this program. >> >> >> >> Thanks >> >> >> >> Tony Septav >> >> Nanaimo, BC >> >> Canada >> -- > > Arthur > > From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Mon Sep 24 10:18:01 2012 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2012 11:18:01 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] NYT: In farm town, data barns gobble power - Business - US business - The New York Times | NBC News Message-ID: <506079A9.6040306@colbyconsulting.com> Read about Microsoft's business decision to waste enormous amounts of energy to save money (reduce a potential fine) when their own energy use forecasting was off. My hero, Microsoft. Sigh. -- John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/49147152/ns/business-us_business/#__utma=14933801.572830000.1348282134.1348282134.1348498136.2&__utmb=14933801.4.9.1348498166802&__utmc=14933801&__utmx=-&__utmz=14933801.1348282134.1.1.utmcsr=(direct)|utmccn=(direct)|utmcmd=(none)&__utmv=14933801.|8=Earned%20By=msnbc%7Ccover=1^12=Landing%20Content=Mixed=1^13=Landing%20Hostname=www.nbcnews.com=1^30=Visit%20Type%20to%20Content=Earned%20to%20Mixed=1&__utmk=146439860 From tinanfields at torchlake.com Mon Sep 24 10:43:59 2012 From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields) Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2012 11:43:59 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Alpha Five In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <50607FBF.8010002@torchlake.com> Yeah, that was what turned me away from even considering it. I am still on their email list, though. Offers keep coming in. But, oh those prices! T Tina Norris Fields tinanfields at torchlake.com 231-322-2787 On 9/24/2012 6:37 AM, Gustav Brock wrote: > Hi Arthur > > But at USD 349 + 499 + 499 => ouch!? > > /gustav > > >>>> fuller.artful at gmail.com 24-09-12 11:56 >>> > First of all, I haven't switched so much as opened a new avenue. I still do > occasional work in Access, almost always against a SQL BE. But I am very > much intrerested in Alpha Five, for these reasons: > > -- It offers a whole bunch of web-dev tools, and integrates with Ajax, > Javascript, HTML5. ASP.NET, PHP and most anything I can think of. > -- It hasn't abandoned the desktop model. At the start of any given > project, you can choose to target Desktop or Web; Halfway into a project, > you can change horses, as it were. > -- There are abundant wizards to perform common tasks; the abundance and > power of these make the Access wizards pale in comparison. > -- The programming language, Xbasic, is similar to Access VBA but much more > powerful. It also offers true object orientation. > -- There is a collection of Feature Packs, available at extra cost, which > provide additional capabilities. One such is dedicated to Graphics and > Charting. There are many more, some created by Alpha and some by third > parties. Alpha gets behind any creators of Feature Packs. > -- There are dozens of example programs and video tutorials. In this > respect, Alpha leaves Access in the dust. > -- Whenevr I've asked for help, I have received a response the same day, > and sometimes within the hour. > -- Once you're ready to turn pro (I'm not there quite yet), Alpha offers a > subscription plan that gives you not only updates but any new Feature Pack > that may be introduced (not including the third party packs, of course, > just the ones created by Alpha). > -- Alpha Five has its own data-file format, but the company is well aware > that it's going up against Access, and for that reason its next two back > ends are Access and SQL Server. Beyond that, it can connect to virtually > anything that supports ODBC. Further, you can change back-ends very easily. > > Not all is a bed of roses. There are a couple of down sides: > -- To run a web app requires the Alpha application server, which means that > you'll need an additional license enabling you to install the app server on > your client's machine. The fee is well within reason, and it allows you to > install the server on multiple client locations. But it is a cost to factor > in. (The product includes a copy of the app server, so you can develop and > test your app, but subsequent client installations require the license.) > -- Despite the similarity of programming language, a lot of the event names > are slightly different -- it's still pretty obvious which Alpha events > correspond to which Access events, but it is a consideration. > -- The largest problem is that the web-app server runs only on Windows. So > other approaches (say, PHP and/or Javascript + jQuery) may be your only > avenue, should you need your app to run on a Linux server. > > That's a quick summary of my impressions thus far. You can always visit the > site (www.alphasoftware.com) and read more about it, and download a trial > version if so inclined. > > On Sun, Sep 23, 2012 at 9:10 PM, Tony Septav wrote: > >> Hey Arthur >> >> Tell us why you have switched to Alpha Five (or whatever it is called). >> And >> the benefits you see in using this program. >> >> >> >> Thanks >> >> >> >> Tony Septav >> >> Nanaimo, BC >> >> Canada >> -- > Arthur > > From bill_patten at embarqmail.com Mon Sep 24 11:08:39 2012 From: bill_patten at embarqmail.com (Bill Patten) Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2012 09:08:39 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] What's the bug/problem with creating with Access 2010 and deploying to earlier users? In-Reply-To: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B52501AAE8@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com> References: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B52501AAE8@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com> Message-ID: Darryl, I am still decompiling/recompiling my ADP apps in an XP VM prior to shipping. How can a confirm that the problem is fixed? Was it a KB? (I'd just as soon not let my clients be the ones to tell me it hasn't been fixed. Thanks Bill -----Original Message----- From: Darryl Collins Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2012 5:33 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] What's the bug/problem with creating with Access 2010 and deploying to earlier users? There was a major bug between Windows 7 SP1 and any other version of the OS if you used ADO. This has been (finally) fixed for VBA after about 14 months of dithering by Microsoft. This impacted any program that used ADO. However that was an OS level issue, not Access itself. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of David McAfee Sent: Friday, 21 September 2012 3:09 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: [AccessD] What's the bug/problem with creating with Access 2010 and deploying to earlier users? Isn't there a bug where databases created in A2010 and are deployed to users with A2003-2007? The reason I ask is that I am getting a new computer at work that has Office 2010 installed. I mainly work with ADPs, and they are we created in Access 2000 (or in A2k Format). Is there even an issue? Thanks, David -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Mon Sep 24 15:20:54 2012 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2012 06:20:54 +1000 Subject: [AccessD] Alpha Five In-Reply-To: <50607FBF.8010002@torchlake.com> References: , <50607FBF.8010002@torchlake.com> Message-ID: <5060C0A6.3841.43A9C92@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Same here. On 24 Sep 2012 at 11:43, Tina Norris Fields wrote: > Yeah, that was what turned me away from even considering it. I am still > on their email list, though. Offers keep coming in. But, oh those prices! > T > > Tina Norris Fields > tinanfields at torchlake.com > 231-322-2787 > > On 9/24/2012 6:37 AM, Gustav Brock wrote: > > Hi Arthur > > > > But at USD 349 + 499 + 499 => ouch!? > > > > /gustav > > > > > >>>> fuller.artful at gmail.com 24-09-12 11:56 >>> > > First of all, I haven't switched so much as opened a new avenue. I still do > > occasional work in Access, almost always against a SQL BE. But I am very > > much intrerested in Alpha Five, for these reasons: > > > > -- It offers a whole bunch of web-dev tools, and integrates with Ajax, > > Javascript, HTML5. ASP.NET, PHP and most anything I can think of. > > -- It hasn't abandoned the desktop model. At the start of any given > > project, you can choose to target Desktop or Web; Halfway into a project, > > you can change horses, as it were. > > -- There are abundant wizards to perform common tasks; the abundance and > > power of these make the Access wizards pale in comparison. > > -- The programming language, Xbasic, is similar to Access VBA but much more > > powerful. It also offers true object orientation. > > -- There is a collection of Feature Packs, available at extra cost, which > > provide additional capabilities. One such is dedicated to Graphics and > > Charting. There are many more, some created by Alpha and some by third > > parties. Alpha gets behind any creators of Feature Packs. > > -- There are dozens of example programs and video tutorials. In this > > respect, Alpha leaves Access in the dust. > > -- Whenevr I've asked for help, I have received a response the same day, > > and sometimes within the hour. > > -- Once you're ready to turn pro (I'm not there quite yet), Alpha offers a > > subscription plan that gives you not only updates but any new Feature Pack > > that may be introduced (not including the third party packs, of course, > > just the ones created by Alpha). > > -- Alpha Five has its own data-file format, but the company is well aware > > that it's going up against Access, and for that reason its next two back > > ends are Access and SQL Server. Beyond that, it can connect to virtually > > anything that supports ODBC. Further, you can change back-ends very easily. > > > > Not all is a bed of roses. There are a couple of down sides: > > -- To run a web app requires the Alpha application server, which means that > > you'll need an additional license enabling you to install the app server on > > your client's machine. The fee is well within reason, and it allows you to > > install the server on multiple client locations. But it is a cost to factor > > in. (The product includes a copy of the app server, so you can develop and > > test your app, but subsequent client installations require the license.) > > -- Despite the similarity of programming language, a lot of the event names > > are slightly different -- it's still pretty obvious which Alpha events > > correspond to which Access events, but it is a consideration. > > -- The largest problem is that the web-app server runs only on Windows. So > > other approaches (say, PHP and/or Javascript + jQuery) may be your only > > avenue, should you need your app to run on a Linux server. > > > > That's a quick summary of my impressions thus far. You can always visit the > > site (www.alphasoftware.com) and read more about it, and download a trial > > version if so inclined. > > > > On Sun, Sep 23, 2012 at 9:10 PM, Tony Septav wrote: > > > >> Hey Arthur > >> > >> Tell us why you have switched to Alpha Five (or whatever it is called). > >> And > >> the benefits you see in using this program. > >> > >> > >> > >> Thanks > >> > >> > >> > >> Tony Septav > >> > >> Nanaimo, BC > >> > >> Canada > >> -- > > Arthur > > > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au Mon Sep 24 17:20:39 2012 From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins) Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2012 22:20:39 +0000 Subject: [AccessD] What's the bug/problem with creating with Access 2010 and deploying to earlier users? In-Reply-To: References: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B52501AAE8@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>, Message-ID: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B5342290DC@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com> Hi Bill, Sure, I wanted to post the original reply with the links, but the bookmarked sites I had it on were down at the time. I am at home right now, but when I log on the work PC, I will try again and get you the exact KB and details. regards Darryl ________________________________________ From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] on behalf of Bill Patten [bill_patten at embarqmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, 25 September 2012 2:08 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] What's the bug/problem with creating with Access 2010 and deploying to earlier users? Darryl, I am still decompiling/recompiling my ADP apps in an XP VM prior to shipping. How can a confirm that the problem is fixed? Was it a KB? (I'd just as soon not let my clients be the ones to tell me it hasn't been fixed. Thanks Bill -----Original Message----- From: Darryl Collins Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2012 5:33 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] What's the bug/problem with creating with Access 2010 and deploying to earlier users? There was a major bug between Windows 7 SP1 and any other version of the OS if you used ADO. This has been (finally) fixed for VBA after about 14 months of dithering by Microsoft. This impacted any program that used ADO. However that was an OS level issue, not Access itself. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of David McAfee Sent: Friday, 21 September 2012 3:09 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: [AccessD] What's the bug/problem with creating with Access 2010 and deploying to earlier users? Isn't there a bug where databases created in A2010 and are deployed to users with A2003-2007? The reason I ask is that I am getting a new computer at work that has Office 2010 installed. I mainly work with ADPs, and they are we created in Access 2000 (or in A2k Format). Is there even an issue? Thanks, David -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au Mon Sep 24 20:05:29 2012 From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins) Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2012 01:05:29 +0000 Subject: [AccessD] What's the bug/problem with creating with Access 2010 and deploying to earlier users? In-Reply-To: References: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B52501AAE8@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>, Message-ID: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B534229187@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com> Hi Bill, Here is the KB with the fix <> here is a long thread which coverd many of the issues. <> worth a read if you want more details on what to look for. cheers Darryl ________________________________________ From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] on behalf of Bill Patten [bill_patten at embarqmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, 25 September 2012 2:08 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] What's the bug/problem with creating with Access 2010 and deploying to earlier users? Darryl, I am still decompiling/recompiling my ADP apps in an XP VM prior to shipping. How can a confirm that the problem is fixed? Was it a KB? (I'd just as soon not let my clients be the ones to tell me it hasn't been fixed. Thanks Bill -----Original Message----- From: Darryl Collins Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2012 5:33 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] What's the bug/problem with creating with Access 2010 and deploying to earlier users? There was a major bug between Windows 7 SP1 and any other version of the OS if you used ADO. This has been (finally) fixed for VBA after about 14 months of dithering by Microsoft. This impacted any program that used ADO. However that was an OS level issue, not Access itself. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of David McAfee Sent: Friday, 21 September 2012 3:09 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: [AccessD] What's the bug/problem with creating with Access 2010 and deploying to earlier users? Isn't there a bug where databases created in A2010 and are deployed to users with A2003-2007? The reason I ask is that I am getting a new computer at work that has Office 2010 installed. I mainly work with ADPs, and they are we created in Access 2000 (or in A2k Format). Is there even an issue? Thanks, David -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From marksimms at verizon.net Mon Sep 24 20:48:57 2012 From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms) Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2012 21:48:57 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Alpha Five In-Reply-To: <50605541.8080400@colbyconsulting.com> References: <50605541.8080400@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <011001cd9abf$f392d610$dab88230$@net> And then finding a web hosting service that will install their server-side package.... > > That's my feeling exactly. Ouch. It looks like a nice system but > ouch. > From bill_patten at embarqmail.com Mon Sep 24 22:33:02 2012 From: bill_patten at embarqmail.com (Bill Patten) Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2012 20:33:02 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] What's the bug/problem with creating with Access2010 and deploying to earlier users? In-Reply-To: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B534229187@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com> References: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B52501AAE8@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>, <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B534229187@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com> Message-ID: Darryl, Thanks so much. I took a quick look at the LONG thread. It started in Feb 2011 and ended in Feb 2012 so I'm not sure how much I'll read but I'll run the KB asap. Thanks again. Bill -----Original Message----- From: Darryl Collins Sent: Monday, September 24, 2012 6:05 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] What's the bug/problem with creating with Access2010 and deploying to earlier users? Hi Bill, Here is the KB with the fix <> here is a long thread which coverd many of the issues. <> worth a read if you want more details on what to look for. cheers Darryl ________________________________________ From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] on behalf of Bill Patten [bill_patten at embarqmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, 25 September 2012 2:08 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] What's the bug/problem with creating with Access 2010 and deploying to earlier users? Darryl, I am still decompiling/recompiling my ADP apps in an XP VM prior to shipping. How can a confirm that the problem is fixed? Was it a KB? (I'd just as soon not let my clients be the ones to tell me it hasn't been fixed. Thanks Bill -----Original Message----- From: Darryl Collins Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2012 5:33 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] What's the bug/problem with creating with Access 2010 and deploying to earlier users? There was a major bug between Windows 7 SP1 and any other version of the OS if you used ADO. This has been (finally) fixed for VBA after about 14 months of dithering by Microsoft. This impacted any program that used ADO. However that was an OS level issue, not Access itself. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of David McAfee Sent: Friday, 21 September 2012 3:09 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: [AccessD] What's the bug/problem with creating with Access 2010 and deploying to earlier users? Isn't there a bug where databases created in A2010 and are deployed to users with A2003-2007? The reason I ask is that I am getting a new computer at work that has Office 2010 installed. I mainly work with ADPs, and they are we created in Access 2000 (or in A2k Format). Is there even an issue? Thanks, David -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au Mon Sep 24 23:18:46 2012 From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins) Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2012 04:18:46 +0000 Subject: [AccessD] What's the bug/problem with creating with Access2010 and deploying to earlier users? In-Reply-To: References: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B52501AAE8@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>, <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B534229187@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>, Message-ID: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B5342291FC@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com> Indeed, it took MS just over a year to release a fix (for VBA at least). Lots of unhappy users, Probably no need to read it all, just keep in handy in case you have any issues. If you make sure that KB fix is in place you should be fine. I have had no issues since with patch, loads before. cheers Darryl ________________________________________ From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] on behalf of Bill Patten [bill_patten at embarqmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, 25 September 2012 1:33 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] What's the bug/problem with creating with Access2010 and deploying to earlier users? Darryl, Thanks so much. I took a quick look at the LONG thread. It started in Feb 2011 and ended in Feb 2012 so I'm not sure how much I'll read but I'll run the KB asap. Thanks again. Bill -----Original Message----- From: Darryl Collins Sent: Monday, September 24, 2012 6:05 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] What's the bug/problem with creating with Access2010 and deploying to earlier users? Hi Bill, Here is the KB with the fix <> here is a long thread which coverd many of the issues. <> worth a read if you want more details on what to look for. cheers Darryl ________________________________________ From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] on behalf of Bill Patten [bill_patten at embarqmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, 25 September 2012 2:08 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] What's the bug/problem with creating with Access 2010 and deploying to earlier users? Darryl, I am still decompiling/recompiling my ADP apps in an XP VM prior to shipping. How can a confirm that the problem is fixed? Was it a KB? (I'd just as soon not let my clients be the ones to tell me it hasn't been fixed. Thanks Bill -----Original Message----- From: Darryl Collins Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2012 5:33 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] What's the bug/problem with creating with Access 2010 and deploying to earlier users? There was a major bug between Windows 7 SP1 and any other version of the OS if you used ADO. This has been (finally) fixed for VBA after about 14 months of dithering by Microsoft. This impacted any program that used ADO. However that was an OS level issue, not Access itself. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of David McAfee Sent: Friday, 21 September 2012 3:09 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: [AccessD] What's the bug/problem with creating with Access 2010 and deploying to earlier users? Isn't there a bug where databases created in A2010 and are deployed to users with A2003-2007? The reason I ask is that I am getting a new computer at work that has Office 2010 installed. I mainly work with ADPs, and they are we created in Access 2000 (or in A2k Format). Is there even an issue? Thanks, David -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From bill_patten at embarqmail.com Tue Sep 25 12:46:17 2012 From: bill_patten at embarqmail.com (Bill Patten) Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2012 10:46:17 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] What's the bug/problem with creating with Access2010 and deploying to earlier users? In-Reply-To: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B534229187@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com> References: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B52501AAE8@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>, <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B534229187@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com> Message-ID: <247E4234BC934C859FE608714591FDFF@BPCS> Darryl, I decided before running the KB I'd try and duplicate the problem here, so I decompiled and recompiled on my 64 bit SP1 machine and moved it to my XP VM. Ran it expecting it to blow up. It didn't.... So I checked the details on KB2640696 and found the dll's were dated 13-Jan-2012, version ... 7601.17761. Checked several Dll's on my machine and they were dated 6/5/2012. The versions ended in 7601.17857. After some research I found that an automatic update KB2698365 ran in July sometime and appears to have fixed my SP1 error. Apparently it did create some problems in some VB6 programs but fixed ADO problems without me knowing it. Next real test will be shipping it to my client without recompiling in a non SP1 machine and crossing my fingers. I'm sure glad you posted that it was fixed, I could have continued moving my app to an old machine and recompiling for ever. I forgot to do that in June and my client unhappily had to reminded me. Bill -----Original Message----- From: Darryl Collins Sent: Monday, September 24, 2012 6:05 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] What's the bug/problem with creating with Access2010 and deploying to earlier users? Hi Bill, Here is the KB with the fix <> here is a long thread which coverd many of the issues. <> worth a read if you want more details on what to look for. cheers Darryl ________________________________________ From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] on behalf of Bill Patten [bill_patten at embarqmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, 25 September 2012 2:08 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] What's the bug/problem with creating with Access 2010 and deploying to earlier users? Darryl, I am still decompiling/recompiling my ADP apps in an XP VM prior to shipping. How can a confirm that the problem is fixed? Was it a KB? (I'd just as soon not let my clients be the ones to tell me it hasn't been fixed. Thanks Bill -----Original Message----- From: Darryl Collins Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2012 5:33 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] What's the bug/problem with creating with Access 2010 and deploying to earlier users? There was a major bug between Windows 7 SP1 and any other version of the OS if you used ADO. This has been (finally) fixed for VBA after about 14 months of dithering by Microsoft. This impacted any program that used ADO. However that was an OS level issue, not Access itself. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of David McAfee Sent: Friday, 21 September 2012 3:09 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: [AccessD] What's the bug/problem with creating with Access 2010 and deploying to earlier users? Isn't there a bug where databases created in A2010 and are deployed to users with A2003-2007? The reason I ask is that I am getting a new computer at work that has Office 2010 installed. I mainly work with ADPs, and they are we created in Access 2000 (or in A2k Format). Is there even an issue? Thanks, David -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From TSeptav at Uniserve.com Tue Sep 25 14:39:54 2012 From: TSeptav at Uniserve.com (Tony Septav) Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2012 14:39:54 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Microsoft Web Browser Message-ID: <201209251940.q8PJe0bO012313@databaseadvisors.com> Hey All I am using the Microsoft Web Browser ActiveX control (thank G.. it is still working in Windows 7) to allow a client to catalogue and view PDF files within an Access2003 form. My question is, I do not have a laptop. Would the control still work if the client, on a laptop, was not connected to the Internet? Thanks Tony Septav Nanaimo, BC Canada From rls at WeBeDb.com Tue Sep 25 15:06:34 2012 From: rls at WeBeDb.com (Robert Stewart) Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2012 15:06:34 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Ctrl Break In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5E71F2BE-1E5D-4C30-9EB3-9BB9583FB9E0@holly.arvixe.com> Tony, I doubt that the car company expected the gas tank to blow up either. :-) At 10:26 AM 9/22/2012, you wrote: >Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2012 09:56:19 -0500 >From: "Tony Septav" >To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" > >Subject: Re: [AccessD] FW: Ctrl Break >An aside: >Many many years ago (if memory serves me well) a car company decided to >remove a 75 cent fitting (cost cutting/saving on their end) on their gas >tank assembly. What ended up happening was if the car got rear ended the gas >tank would explode. Needless to say they spent many days in court. And no >before some of you guys get started I am not expecting my keyboard to blow >up. Robert L. Stewart Any fool can write code that a computer can understand. Good programmers write code that humans can understand. --Martin Fowler www.WeBeDb.com www.DBGUIDesign.com www.RLStewartPhotography.com From TSeptav at Uniserve.com Tue Sep 25 15:55:39 2012 From: TSeptav at Uniserve.com (Tony Septav) Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2012 15:55:39 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Ctrl Break In-Reply-To: <5E71F2BE-1E5D-4C30-9EB3-9BB9583FB9E0@holly.arvixe.com> Message-ID: <201209252055.q8PKtnKQ019383@databaseadvisors.com> Hey Robert Not really. An article many years ago in Mother Jones (albeit a very left wing interpretation) and other magazines of the time, explained the logic of the cost cutting versus the cost of a human life, it was kind of jaw dropping, how the car company came up with their figures. Sorry I could be off track on your comment and this really has no place on this community, but I was just totally amazed how industry dupes us. Thanks Tony Septav Nanaimo, BC Canada -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Robert Stewart Sent: September-25-12 3:07 PM To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [AccessD] Ctrl Break Tony, I doubt that the car company expected the gas tank to blow up either. :-) At 10:26 AM 9/22/2012, you wrote: >Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2012 09:56:19 -0500 >From: "Tony Septav" >To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" > >Subject: Re: [AccessD] FW: Ctrl Break >An aside: >Many many years ago (if memory serves me well) a car company decided to >remove a 75 cent fitting (cost cutting/saving on their end) on their gas >tank assembly. What ended up happening was if the car got rear ended the gas >tank would explode. Needless to say they spent many days in court. And no >before some of you guys get started I am not expecting my keyboard to blow >up. Robert L. Stewart Any fool can write code that a computer can understand. Good programmers write code that humans can understand. --Martin Fowler www.WeBeDb.com www.DBGUIDesign.com www.RLStewartPhotography.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2221 / Virus Database: 2441/5290 - Release Date: 09/24/12 From TSeptav at Uniserve.com Tue Sep 25 16:04:24 2012 From: TSeptav at Uniserve.com (Tony Septav) Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2012 16:04:24 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Ctrl Break In-Reply-To: <201209252055.q8PKtnKQ019383@databaseadvisors.com> Message-ID: <201209252104.q8PL4Ux1024029@databaseadvisors.com> Hey All I apologize, that last response should have and should always be on the Off Topic list. Sorry my mistake. Tony Septav Nanaimo, BC Canada -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tony Septav Sent: September-25-12 3:56 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Ctrl Break Hey Robert Not really. An article many years ago in Mother Jones (albeit a very left wing interpretation) and other magazines of the time, explained the logic of the cost cutting versus the cost of a human life, it was kind of jaw dropping, how the car company came up with their figures. Sorry I could be off track on your comment and this really has no place on this community, but I was just totally amazed how industry dupes us. Thanks Tony Septav Nanaimo, BC Canada -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Robert Stewart Sent: September-25-12 3:07 PM To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [AccessD] Ctrl Break Tony, I doubt that the car company expected the gas tank to blow up either. :-) At 10:26 AM 9/22/2012, you wrote: >Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2012 09:56:19 -0500 >From: "Tony Septav" >To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" > >Subject: Re: [AccessD] FW: Ctrl Break >An aside: >Many many years ago (if memory serves me well) a car company decided to >remove a 75 cent fitting (cost cutting/saving on their end) on their gas >tank assembly. What ended up happening was if the car got rear ended the gas >tank would explode. Needless to say they spent many days in court. And no >before some of you guys get started I am not expecting my keyboard to blow >up. Robert L. Stewart Any fool can write code that a computer can understand. Good programmers write code that humans can understand. --Martin Fowler www.WeBeDb.com www.DBGUIDesign.com www.RLStewartPhotography.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2221 / Virus Database: 2441/5290 - Release Date: 09/24/12 -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2221 / Virus Database: 2441/5290 - Release Date: 09/24/12 From Gustav at cactus.dk Wed Sep 26 12:55:39 2012 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2012 19:55:39 +0200 Subject: [AccessD] Light Table IDE (Vimeo.com) - Was:Re: HTML5 mobile-friendly web sites vs. native Message-ID: Hi all LINQPad is in a fact a tiny but powerful IDE which can handle many languages: http://ht.ly/dN1ki Completely free - and with IntelliSense if you buy the cheap license. /gustav >>> mcp2004 at mail.ru 20-09-12 18:59 >>> Hi Jim -- Yes, VS IDE for C# is very good - I do use it every day. But it lucks a feature which Light Table IDE is planning to "bring to the table" - dynamic interpretation/execution of the code you type in... And I was wondering - is there something like that "a la' Light Table" IDE - mainly for JavaScript? For C# quick prototyping/"snippeting" I do use LINQPad. For RegEx expressions developing and testing I do use RegEx Buddy. For Test Driven Development/Unit Testing I do use NUnit and TestDriven.NET. And for JavaScript and HTML(5)/CSS(3) development I'm missing a "dynamic interpretation tool" - do you know any? As for high price on MS development tools for students - Darryl mentioned DreamSpark MS Program, which is free for students. And for "chickens" - just out of college young developers if they were good at college and if they used Dreamspark program free development tools then they shouldn't have (?) problems to find a good job with MS development tools provided by their employees? Thank you. -- Shamil Thu, 20 Sep 2012 09:11:26 -0700 ?? "Jim Lawrence" : >Hi Shamil: > > Right now, the best IDE for C# is Microsoft's offering. From TSeptav at Uniserve.com Wed Sep 26 12:50:13 2012 From: TSeptav at Uniserve.com (Tony Septav) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2012 12:50:13 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Microsoft Web Browser In-Reply-To: <201209251940.q8PJe0bO012313@databaseadvisors.com> Message-ID: <201209261750.q8QHoJow030239@databaseadvisors.com> Hey All I am sending this again hoping to get some kind of a response. Tony Septav Nanaimo, BC Canada -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tony Septav Sent: September-25-12 2:40 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: [AccessD] Microsoft Web Browser Hey All I am using the Microsoft Web Browser ActiveX control (thank G.. it is still working in Windows 7) to allow a client to catalogue and view PDF files within an Access2003 form. My question is, I do not have a laptop. Would the control still work if the client, on a laptop, was not connected to the Internet? Thanks Tony Septav Nanaimo, BC Canada -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2221 / Virus Database: 2441/5290 - Release Date: 09/24/12 From steve at goodhall.info Wed Sep 26 12:58:36 2012 From: steve at goodhall.info (Steve Goodhall) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2012 13:58:36 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Microsoft Web Browser In-Reply-To: <201209261750.q8QHoJow030239@databaseadvisors.com> References: <201209261750.q8QHoJow030239@databaseadvisors.com> Message-ID: <75853a4c-d62a-48d4-b664-6326088add48@blur> I don't have an educated opinion. Does it use some kind of web service to build the pdf? I think you could pull your ethernet cable and try it. Steve Goodhall, MSCS, PMP -----Original message----- From: Tony Septav To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Sent: Wed, Sep 26, 2012 17:51:04 GMT+00:00 Subject: Re: [AccessD] Microsoft Web Browser Hey All I am sending this again hoping to get some kind of a response. Tony Septav Nanaimo, BC Canada -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tony Septav Sent: September-25-12 2:40 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: [AccessD] Microsoft Web Browser Hey All I am using the Microsoft Web Browser ActiveX control (thank G.. it is still working in Windows 7) to allow a client to catalogue and view PDF files within an Access2003 form. My question is, I do not have a laptop. Would the control still work if the client, on a laptop, was not connected to the Internet? Thanks Tony Septav Nanaimo, BC Canada -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2221 / Virus Database: 2441/5290 - Release Date: 09/24/12 -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From TSeptav at Uniserve.com Wed Sep 26 13:19:42 2012 From: TSeptav at Uniserve.com (Tony Septav) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2012 13:19:42 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Microsoft Web Browser In-Reply-To: <75853a4c-d62a-48d4-b664-6326088add48@blur> Message-ID: <201209261819.q8QIJm3d014857@databaseadvisors.com> Hey Steve Thanks kindly for the tip. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Goodhall Sent: September-26-12 12:59 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problemsolving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Microsoft Web Browser I don't have an educated opinion. Does it use some kind of web service to build the pdf? I think you could pull your ethernet cable and try it. Steve Goodhall, MSCS, PMP -----Original message----- From: Tony Septav To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Sent: Wed, Sep 26, 2012 17:51:04 GMT+00:00 Subject: Re: [AccessD] Microsoft Web Browser Hey All I am sending this again hoping to get some kind of a response. Tony Septav Nanaimo, BC Canada -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tony Septav Sent: September-25-12 2:40 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: [AccessD] Microsoft Web Browser Hey All I am using the Microsoft Web Browser ActiveX control (thank G.. it is still working in Windows 7) to allow a client to catalogue and view PDF files within an Access2003 form. My question is, I do not have a laptop. Would the control still work if the client, on a laptop, was not connected to the Internet? Thanks Tony Septav Nanaimo, BC Canada -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2221 / Virus Database: 2441/5290 - Release Date: 09/24/12 -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2221 / Virus Database: 2441/5293 - Release Date: 09/26/12 From mcp2004 at mail.ru Wed Sep 26 13:30:45 2012 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2012 22:30:45 +0400 Subject: [AccessD] =?utf-8?q?Light_Table_IDE_=28Vimeo=2Ecom=29_-_Was=3ARe?= =?utf-8?q?=3A_HTML5=09mobile-friendly_web_sites_vs=2E_native?= In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1348684245.623085734@f105.mail.ru> Hi Gustav -- Thank you for your note. I do use LINQPad. I have got purchased LINQPad Premium Edition. Using free edition of LINQPad isn't as convenient as using a ?Premium one because free edition doesn't have auto-completion feature etc. The subject tool - Light Table IDE - promises to provide an instant ?code interpretation feature - LINQPad doesn't have such a feature although it could get it in the future as C# is becoming also a script language =>?http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/vstudio/roslyn.aspx?... Thank you. -- Shamil Wed, 26 Sep 2012 19:55:39 +0200 ?? "Gustav Brock" : > > > > >Hi all > > LINQPad is in a fact a tiny but powerful IDE which can handle many languages: > >http://ht.ly/dN1ki > > Completely free - and with IntelliSense if you buy the cheap license. > > /gustav > > > >>> mcp2004 at mail.ru 20-09-12 18:59 >>> > Hi Jim -- > > Yes, VS IDE for C# is very good - I do use it every day. > But it lucks a feature which Light Table IDE is planning to "bring to the table" - dynamic interpretation/execution of the code you type in... > And I was wondering - is there something like that "a la' Light Table" IDE - mainly for JavaScript? > For C# quick prototyping/"snippeting" I do use LINQPad. > For RegEx expressions developing and testing I do use RegEx Buddy. > For Test Driven Development/Unit Testing I do use NUnit and TestDriven.NET. > > And for JavaScript and HTML(5)/CSS(3) development I'm missing a "dynamic interpretation tool" - do you know any? > > As for high price on MS development tools for students - Darryl mentioned DreamSpark MS Program, which is free for students. > > And for "chickens" - just out of college young developers if they were good at college and if they used Dreamspark program free development tools then they shouldn't have (?) problems to find a good job with MS development tools provided by their employees? > > Thank you. > > -- Shamil > > > Thu, 20 Sep 2012 09:11:26 -0700 ?? "Jim Lawrence" : > >Hi Shamil: > > > > > Right now, the best IDE for C# is Microsoft's offering. > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From BradM at blackforestltd.com Wed Sep 26 13:33:37 2012 From: BradM at blackforestltd.com (Brad Marks) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2012 13:33:37 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Access 2007 Sub-Report With No Data - Not Visible in Print Preview or in Exported PDF file References: <201209261819.q8QIJm3d014857@databaseadvisors.com> Message-ID: All, I have an Access 2007 report that has a single Sub-Report. In some cases, there is no data for the Sub-Report. When this happens, I can see the Sub-Report header in "Report View" when I view the parent report. However, when I view the parent report via "Print Preview" or via an exported PDF file, there is no trace of the sub-report. I would like to see the "shell" of the sub-report even if there is no data in the detail section. Is this possible? Thanks, Brad From mcp2004 at mail.ru Wed Sep 26 15:29:33 2012 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=) Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2012 00:29:33 +0400 Subject: [AccessD] =?utf-8?q?Microsoft_Web_Browser?= In-Reply-To: <201209261750.q8QHoJow030239@databaseadvisors.com> References: <201209251940.q8PJe0bO012313@databaseadvisors.com> <201209261750.q8QHoJow030239@databaseadvisors.com> Message-ID: <1348691373.775108915@f52.mail.ru> Hi Tony -- Yes, MS Web Browser control can render local PDF, HTML, ... files. Thank you. -- Shamil Wed, 26 Sep 2012 12:50:13 -0500 ?? "Tony Septav" : > > > > >Hey All > I am sending this again hoping to get some kind of a response. > > Tony Septav > Nanaimo, BC > Canada > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tony Septav > Sent: September-25-12 2:40 PM > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > Subject: [AccessD] Microsoft Web Browser > > Hey All > > I am using the Microsoft Web Browser ActiveX control (thank G.. it is still > working in Windows 7) to allow a client to catalogue and view PDF files > within an Access2003 form. My question is, I do not have a laptop. Would the > control still work if the client, on a laptop, was not connected to the > Internet? > > ? > > Thanks > > Tony Septav > > Nanaimo, BC > > Canada > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2012.0.2221 / Virus Database: 2441/5290 - Release Date: 09/24/12 > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From accessd at shaw.ca Wed Sep 26 15:50:06 2012 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2012 13:50:06 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Microsoft Web Browser In-Reply-To: <201209261750.q8QHoJow030239@databaseadvisors.com> References: <201209251940.q8PJe0bO012313@databaseadvisors.com> <201209261750.q8QHoJow030239@databaseadvisors.com> Message-ID: If the ActiveX component is already available to the current version of the program or attached to the local web browser no problem. Other than that, the application will come up with a rude remark; had that problem when installing on government machines that did not have the calendar ActiveX component so got into the habit of having a small batch file check the computer for the component and then install and register it if it didn't...stored the component on a CD or thumb drive. That would resolve the problem even if the internet was unavailable. That would be the only solution I can see. Jim -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tony Septav Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2012 10:50 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Microsoft Web Browser Hey All I am sending this again hoping to get some kind of a response. Tony Septav Nanaimo, BC Canada -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tony Septav Sent: September-25-12 2:40 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: [AccessD] Microsoft Web Browser Hey All I am using the Microsoft Web Browser ActiveX control (thank G.. it is still working in Windows 7) to allow a client to catalogue and view PDF files within an Access2003 form. My question is, I do not have a laptop. Would the control still work if the client, on a laptop, was not connected to the Internet? Thanks Tony Septav Nanaimo, BC Canada -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2221 / Virus Database: 2441/5290 - Release Date: 09/24/12 -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From ab-mi at post3.tele.dk Wed Sep 26 17:24:04 2012 From: ab-mi at post3.tele.dk (Asger Blond) Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2012 00:24:04 +0200 Subject: [AccessD] Access 2007 Sub-Report With No Data - Not Visible inPrint Preview or in Exported PDF file In-Reply-To: References: <201209261819.q8QIJm3d014857@databaseadvisors.com> Message-ID: Hi Brad, It's possible if the record source for your sub-report includes the table and the link field you use for the main-report in an outer join (showing all records for the main-report's table). To suppress the value in the control for the link field on the sub-report when there is no data, you can then set the control source to =IIF( IS NULL,"",). Asger -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Brad Marks Sendt: 26. september 2012 20:34 Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Emne: [AccessD] Access 2007 Sub-Report With No Data - Not Visible inPrint Preview or in Exported PDF file All, I have an Access 2007 report that has a single Sub-Report. In some cases, there is no data for the Sub-Report. When this happens, I can see the Sub-Report header in "Report View" when I view the parent report. However, when I view the parent report via "Print Preview" or via an exported PDF file, there is no trace of the sub-report. I would like to see the "shell" of the sub-report even if there is no data in the detail section. Is this possible? Thanks, Brad -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Wed Sep 26 18:36:25 2012 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2012 16:36:25 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Read an ldb File Message-ID: Dear List: I'm about to re-invent the wheel by making an app that will read an ldb file. (Have a client that I can't update the back end because someone's logged in and he can't find out who.) Started by cribbing a module of a MS support site. But them it occurred to me that there might already be something on a site somewhere to do this. Does anyone know of such a program I could download? MTIA Rocky From dw-murphy at cox.net Wed Sep 26 18:48:40 2012 From: dw-murphy at cox.net (Doug Murphy) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2012 16:48:40 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Read an ldb File In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <00c501cd9c41$74bcf400$5e36dc00$@cox.net> Open in NotePad? -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2012 4:36 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: [AccessD] Read an ldb File Dear List: I'm about to re-invent the wheel by making an app that will read an ldb file. (Have a client that I can't update the back end because someone's logged in and he can't find out who.) Started by cribbing a module of a MS support site. But them it occurred to me that there might already be something on a site somewhere to do this. Does anyone know of such a program I could download? MTIA Rocky -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From charlotte.foust at gmail.com Wed Sep 26 19:30:03 2012 From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2012 17:30:03 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Read an ldb File In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: If you have access to the folder the ldb file is in, do a right click on the file and open the properties dialog. On Wed, Sep 26, 2012 at 4:36 PM, Rocky Smolin wrote: > Dear List: > > I'm about to re-invent the wheel by making an app that will read an ldb > file. (Have a client that I can't update the back end because someone's > logged in and he can't find out who.) > > Started by cribbing a module of a MS support site. But them it occurred to > me that there might already be something on a site somewhere to do this. > > Does anyone know of such a program I could download? > > MTIA > > Rocky > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > From charlotte.foust at gmail.com Wed Sep 26 19:35:25 2012 From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2012 17:35:25 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Read an ldb File In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Sorry, I accidentally hit enter. No actual need to reach the lock file. Open properties, select the security tab. Down at the bottom you'll see an advanced button. Click that to go to the Advanced Security Settings. Now click on the Owner tab. That will show you the "owner" of the persistent lock and you can scold them soundly. Charlotte. On Wed, Sep 26, 2012 at 5:30 PM, Charlotte Foust wrote: > If you have access to the folder the ldb file is in, do a right click on > the file and open the properties dialog. > > On Wed, Sep 26, 2012 at 4:36 PM, Rocky Smolin wrote: > >> Dear List: >> >> I'm about to re-invent the wheel by making an app that will read an ldb >> file. (Have a client that I can't update the back end because someone's >> logged in and he can't find out who.) >> >> Started by cribbing a module of a MS support site. But them it occurred >> to >> me that there might already be something on a site somewhere to do this. >> >> Does anyone know of such a program I could download? >> >> MTIA >> >> Rocky >> >> -- >> AccessD mailing list >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >> >> >> >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> >> >> > From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Wed Sep 26 19:52:28 2012 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2012 17:52:28 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Read an ldb File In-Reply-To: <00c501cd9c41$74bcf400$5e36dc00$@cox.net> References: <00c501cd9c41$74bcf400$5e36dc00$@cox.net> Message-ID: <9F1DF726316B41759E9622BB61D36C28@HAL9007> Tried it - I could see the user names but no status. SO it showed some that had been in and logged out. I think. Because I had the user go check on one of them and it was logged out. So just seeing the names, which is all I see in notepad, isn't enough. I'm guessing. R -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Doug Murphy Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2012 4:49 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Read an ldb File Open in NotePad? -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2012 4:36 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: [AccessD] Read an ldb File Dear List: I'm about to re-invent the wheel by making an app that will read an ldb file. (Have a client that I can't update the back end because someone's logged in and he can't find out who.) Started by cribbing a module of a MS support site. But them it occurred to me that there might already be something on a site somewhere to do this. Does anyone know of such a program I could download? MTIA Rocky -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Wed Sep 26 19:56:03 2012 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2012 17:56:03 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Read an ldb File In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <302626A4EF5C4E7CB9B6C3B050F7012D@HAL9007> Really? That's too easy. Just checked the user and everyone's logged out. But I'll try that tomorrow. Tks Rocky -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2012 5:30 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Read an ldb File If you have access to the folder the ldb file is in, do a right click on the file and open the properties dialog. On Wed, Sep 26, 2012 at 4:36 PM, Rocky Smolin wrote: > Dear List: > > I'm about to re-invent the wheel by making an app that will read an > ldb file. (Have a client that I can't update the back end because > someone's logged in and he can't find out who.) > > Started by cribbing a module of a MS support site. But them it > occurred to me that there might already be something on a site somewhere to do this. > > Does anyone know of such a program I could download? > > MTIA > > Rocky > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Wed Sep 26 19:56:40 2012 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2012 17:56:40 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Read an ldb File In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Will it show if there's more than one user? R -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2012 5:35 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Read an ldb File Sorry, I accidentally hit enter. No actual need to reach the lock file. Open properties, select the security tab. Down at the bottom you'll see an advanced button. Click that to go to the Advanced Security Settings. Now click on the Owner tab. That will show you the "owner" of the persistent lock and you can scold them soundly. Charlotte. On Wed, Sep 26, 2012 at 5:30 PM, Charlotte Foust wrote: > If you have access to the folder the ldb file is in, do a right click > on the file and open the properties dialog. > > On Wed, Sep 26, 2012 at 4:36 PM, Rocky Smolin wrote: > >> Dear List: >> >> I'm about to re-invent the wheel by making an app that will read an >> ldb file. (Have a client that I can't update the back end because >> someone's logged in and he can't find out who.) >> >> Started by cribbing a module of a MS support site. But them it >> occurred to me that there might already be something on a site >> somewhere to do this. >> >> Does anyone know of such a program I could download? >> >> MTIA >> >> Rocky >> >> -- >> AccessD mailing list >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >> >> >> >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> >> >> > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Wed Sep 26 20:01:23 2012 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2012 11:01:23 +1000 Subject: [AccessD] Read an ldb File In-Reply-To: <302626A4EF5C4E7CB9B6C3B050F7012D@HAL9007> References: , , <302626A4EF5C4E7CB9B6C3B050F7012D@HAL9007> Message-ID: <5063A563.4649.F881BDA@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> You could try this: http://lockhunter.com -- Stuart On 26 Sep 2012 at 17:56, Rocky Smolin wrote: > Really? That's too easy. Just checked the user and everyone's logged out. > But I'll try that tomorrow. > > Tks > > Rocky > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust > Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2012 5:30 PM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Read an ldb File > > If you have access to the folder the ldb file is in, do a right click on the > file and open the properties dialog. > > On Wed, Sep 26, 2012 at 4:36 PM, Rocky Smolin wrote: > > > Dear List: > > > > I'm about to re-invent the wheel by making an app that will read an > > ldb file. (Have a client that I can't update the back end because > > someone's logged in and he can't find out who.) > > > > Started by cribbing a module of a MS support site. But them it > > occurred to me that there might already be something on a site somewhere > to do this. > > > > Does anyone know of such a program I could download? > > > > MTIA > > > > Rocky > > > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > > > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Wed Sep 26 20:12:06 2012 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2012 11:12:06 +1000 Subject: [AccessD] Free Cloud based MySQL In-Reply-To: <7F258A947BDA4B1DB53497FF02E64157@creativesystemdesigns.com> References: , <016e01cd1760$5c7679e0$15636da0$@mattysconsulting.com>, <7F258A947BDA4B1DB53497FF02E64157@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: <5063A7E6.2040.F91EDE8@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> A ridiculously simple, seriously powerful CLOUD DATABASE Xeround is an elastic, always-on database-as-a-service for your MySQL applications . http://xeround.com You can get a free account with up to 10MB of storage. I just signed up for their free account, created a simple table in MySQL with their phpMyAdmin interface, created a MySQL ODBC connection in an Access application and added/editted and deleted a few records. It worked fine. This may be of interest to JC for his prisoner release back-end instead of messing around with Hamachi and an Access BE. I'm not sure if he is on the Tech list, so I've sent this to the Access list as well :) -- Stuart From marksimms at verizon.net Wed Sep 26 20:57:04 2012 From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2012 21:57:04 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] What's the bug/problem with creating with Access2010 and deploying to earlier users? In-Reply-To: <247E4234BC934C859FE608714591FDFF@BPCS> References: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B52501AAE8@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>, <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B534229187@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com> <247E4234BC934C859FE608714591FDFF@BPCS> Message-ID: <001401cd9c53$64e65e10$2eb31a30$@net> Re: "Checked several Dll's on my machine and they were dated 6/5/2012. The versions ended in 7601.17857." This is total B.S. There should be a huge message box when key DLL's change. From BradM at blackforestltd.com Wed Sep 26 21:18:06 2012 From: BradM at blackforestltd.com (Brad Marks) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2012 21:18:06 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Access 2007 Sub-Report With No Data - Not Visible in Print Preview or in Exported PDF file References: <201209261819.q8QIJm3d014857@databaseadvisors.com> Message-ID: Asger, Thanks for the help. I forgot to mention something important...sorry. The Sub-Report is pulling data from a different query than the Parent Report. (Completely different data) Therefore, there is no Link Field. I have experimented with a Union Query that pulls a single record from a Dummy Table. This seems to work, but I thought that there might be a better solution. Thanks again, Brad ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com on behalf of Asger Blond Sent: Wed 9/26/2012 5:24 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access 2007 Sub-Report With No Data - Not VisibleinPrint Preview or in Exported PDF file Hi Brad, It's possible if the record source for your sub-report includes the table and the link field you use for the main-report in an outer join (showing all records for the main-report's table). To suppress the value in the control for the link field on the sub-report when there is no data, you can then set the control source to =IIF( IS NULL,"",). Asger -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Brad Marks Sendt: 26. september 2012 20:34 Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Emne: [AccessD] Access 2007 Sub-Report With No Data - Not Visible inPrint Preview or in Exported PDF file All, I have an Access 2007 report that has a single Sub-Report. In some cases, there is no data for the Sub-Report. When this happens, I can see the Sub-Report header in "Report View" when I view the parent report. However, when I view the parent report via "Print Preview" or via an exported PDF file, there is no trace of the sub-report. I would like to see the "shell" of the sub-report even if there is no data in the detail section. Is this possible? Thanks, Brad -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Thu Sep 27 00:03:20 2012 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2012 22:03:20 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Read an ldb File In-Reply-To: <5063A563.4649.F881BDA@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: , , <302626A4EF5C4E7CB9B6C3B050F7012D@HAL9007> <5063A563.4649.F881BDA@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: Not exactly what I'm looking for Stuart. I don't want to kill anything just read the ldb file and let the user know which one of his two dozen machines is running the app. Tks R -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2012 6:01 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Read an ldb File You could try this: http://lockhunter.com -- Stuart On 26 Sep 2012 at 17:56, Rocky Smolin wrote: > Really? That's too easy. Just checked the user and everyone's logged out. > But I'll try that tomorrow. > > Tks > > Rocky > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte > Foust > Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2012 5:30 PM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Read an ldb File > > If you have access to the folder the ldb file is in, do a right click > on the file and open the properties dialog. > > On Wed, Sep 26, 2012 at 4:36 PM, Rocky Smolin wrote: > > > Dear List: > > > > I'm about to re-invent the wheel by making an app that will read an > > ldb file. (Have a client that I can't update the back end because > > someone's logged in and he can't find out who.) > > > > Started by cribbing a module of a MS support site. But them it > > occurred to me that there might already be something on a site > > somewhere > to do this. > > > > Does anyone know of such a program I could download? > > > > MTIA > > > > Rocky > > > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > > > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From john at winhaven.net Thu Sep 27 00:14:26 2012 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2012 00:14:26 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] The future of our lists Message-ID: <00c701cd9c6e$f7993140$e6cb93c0$@winhaven.net> Hello Faithful List Members: Recently there was a thread on AccessD concerning the future of our lists. In order to keep the list dedicated to Access discussions we've decided to open up the DBA-Maintenance list to anyone who wishes to discuss ideas concerning the future of our lists, website, etc. Those interested can subscribe to the maintenance list for discussion on the future of the Database Advisors. Inc. email lists. Subscription link: http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/maintenance If you have any problems subscribing please contact me directly. Thank You for your support, John Bartow, President Database Advisors, Inc. president at databaseadvisors.com From hkotsch at arcor.de Thu Sep 27 03:58:23 2012 From: hkotsch at arcor.de (Helmut Kotsch) Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2012 10:58:23 +0200 Subject: [AccessD] Read an ldb File In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Google for "ldb viewer download" Helmut -----Ursprungliche Nachricht----- Von: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]Im Auftrag von Rocky Smolin Gesendet: Donnerstag, 27. September 2012 01:36 An: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Betreff: [AccessD] Read an ldb File Dear List: I'm about to re-invent the wheel by making an app that will read an ldb file. (Have a client that I can't update the back end because someone's logged in and he can't find out who.) Started by cribbing a module of a MS support site. But them it occurred to me that there might already be something on a site somewhere to do this. Does anyone know of such a program I could download? MTIA Rocky -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Thu Sep 27 05:44:51 2012 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2012 06:44:51 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Read an ldb File In-Reply-To: <9F1DF726316B41759E9622BB61D36C28@HAL9007> References: <00c501cd9c41$74bcf400$5e36dc00$@cox.net> <9F1DF726316B41759E9622BB61D36C28@HAL9007> Message-ID: <50642E23.5060802@colbyconsulting.com> I have a utility that I wrote based on code from MS (I believe). I will send it to you off line. John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it On 9/26/2012 8:52 PM, Rocky Smolin wrote: > Tried it - I could see the user names but no status. SO it showed some that > had been in and logged out. I think. Because I had the user go check on > one of them and it was logged out. So just seeing the names, which is all I > see in notepad, isn't enough. I'm guessing. > > > R > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Doug Murphy > Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2012 4:49 PM > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Read an ldb File > > Open in NotePad? > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin > Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2012 4:36 PM > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > Subject: [AccessD] Read an ldb File > > Dear List: > > I'm about to re-invent the wheel by making an app that will read an ldb > file. (Have a client that I can't update the back end because someone's > logged in and he can't find out who.) > > Started by cribbing a module of a MS support site. But them it occurred to > me that there might already be something on a site somewhere to do this. > > Does anyone know of such a program I could download? > > MTIA > > Rocky > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From andy at minstersystems.co.uk Thu Sep 27 05:47:47 2012 From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey) Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2012 11:47:47 +0100 (BST) Subject: [AccessD] Read an ldb File In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1209072477.63529.1348742867705.JavaMail.open-xchange@email.1and1.co.uk> I cribbed such a thing off JC years ago then modified it for my use. Use it all the time to see who's in. I'm sure he'll still have it. Andy On 27 September 2012 at 09:58 Helmut Kotsch wrote: > > Google for "ldb viewer download" > Helmut > > -----Ursprungliche Nachricht----- > Von: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]Im Auftrag von Rocky Smolin > Gesendet: Donnerstag, 27. September 2012 01:36 > An: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > Betreff: [AccessD] Read an ldb File > > > Dear List: > > I'm about to re-invent the wheel by making an app that will read an ldb > file. (Have a client that I can't update the back end because someone's > logged in and he can't find out who.) > > Started by cribbing a module of a MS support site. But them it occurred to > me that there might already be something on a site somewhere to do this. > > Does anyone know of such a program I could download? > > MTIA > > Rocky > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jimdettman at verizon.net Thu Sep 27 06:31:34 2012 From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman) Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2012 07:31:34 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Read an ldb File In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Rocky, Reading the .LDB file directly won't get you anywhere as there is a corresponding user lock that determines if a user is actually in the DB or not. Also if your not using ULS security, all you will get is the station name (every user will be "admin"). The old LDB Viewer from Microsoft looks at the user locks, but only works with JET DB's and not the new ACE format (2007 and up). Best LDB utility I've found to date is one written by Frank Hilton and I believe it works with the ACE format. You can download it from EE here: http://rdsrc.us/HLR1d1 It's written in VB. Look for it in the second comment from the bottom along with the screen shot. Note that it uses either the MSLDBUSR.DLL or the ADO Jet roster schema to fetch the basic data (which is what you can use as well in code if you want to build your own utility). Jim. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2012 07:36 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: [AccessD] Read an ldb File Dear List: I'm about to re-invent the wheel by making an app that will read an ldb file. (Have a client that I can't update the back end because someone's logged in and he can't find out who.) Started by cribbing a module of a MS support site. But them it occurred to me that there might already be something on a site somewhere to do this. Does anyone know of such a program I could download? MTIA Rocky -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Thu Sep 27 06:55:18 2012 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2012 04:55:18 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Read an ldb File In-Reply-To: <50642E23.5060802@colbyconsulting.com> References: <00c501cd9c41$74bcf400$5e36dc00$@cox.net><9F1DF726316B41759E9622BB61D36C28@HAL9007> <50642E23.5060802@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <936A5E44D9ED4CB38963D7BEFE1C595D@HAL9007> Thank you. rockysmolin at bchacc.com R -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2012 3:45 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Read an ldb File I have a utility that I wrote based on code from MS (I believe). I will send it to you off line. John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it On 9/26/2012 8:52 PM, Rocky Smolin wrote: > Tried it - I could see the user names but no status. SO it showed > some that had been in and logged out. I think. Because I had the > user go check on one of them and it was logged out. So just seeing > the names, which is all I see in notepad, isn't enough. I'm guessing. > > > R > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Doug Murphy > Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2012 4:49 PM > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Read an ldb File > > Open in NotePad? > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky > Smolin > Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2012 4:36 PM > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > Subject: [AccessD] Read an ldb File > > Dear List: > > I'm about to re-invent the wheel by making an app that will read an > ldb file. (Have a client that I can't update the back end because > someone's logged in and he can't find out who.) > > Started by cribbing a module of a MS support site. But them it > occurred to me that there might already be something on a site somewhere to do this. > > Does anyone know of such a program I could download? > > MTIA > > Rocky > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Thu Sep 27 14:46:42 2012 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2012 15:46:42 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Free Cloud based MySQL In-Reply-To: <5063A7E6.2040.F91EDE8@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: , <016e01cd1760$5c7679e0$15636da0$@mattysconsulting.com>, <7F258A947BDA4B1DB53497FF02E64157@creativesystemdesigns.com> <5063A7E6.2040.F91EDE8@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <5064AD22.5040308@colbyconsulting.com> Stuart, My web hosting supplies a SQL Server database. I could just migrate the data to there I suppose. John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it On 9/26/2012 9:12 PM, Stuart McLachlan wrote: > A ridiculously simple, seriously powerful CLOUD DATABASE > Xeround is an elastic, always-on database-as-a-service for your MySQL applications > . > http://xeround.com > > You can get a free account with up to 10MB of storage. > > I just signed up for their free account, created a simple table in MySQL with their > phpMyAdmin interface, created a MySQL ODBC connection in an Access application and > added/editted and deleted a few records. It worked fine. > > This may be of interest to JC for his prisoner release back-end instead of messing around > with Hamachi and an Access BE. I'm not sure if he is on the Tech list, so I've sent this to the > Access list as well :) > From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Thu Sep 27 14:41:02 2012 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2012 15:41:02 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Read an ldb File In-Reply-To: <9F1DF726316B41759E9622BB61D36C28@HAL9007> References: <00c501cd9c41$74bcf400$5e36dc00$@cox.net> <9F1DF726316B41759E9622BB61D36C28@HAL9007> Message-ID: <5064ABCE.7060304@colbyconsulting.com> I built an app long ago which does just this. I have to find it and I will email it off line. John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it On 9/26/2012 8:52 PM, Rocky Smolin wrote: > Tried it - I could see the user names but no status. SO it showed some that > had been in and logged out. I think. Because I had the user go check on > one of them and it was logged out. So just seeing the names, which is all I > see in notepad, isn't enough. I'm guessing. > > > R > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Doug Murphy > Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2012 4:49 PM > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Read an ldb File > > Open in NotePad? > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin > Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2012 4:36 PM > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > Subject: [AccessD] Read an ldb File > > Dear List: > > I'm about to re-invent the wheel by making an app that will read an ldb > file. (Have a client that I can't update the back end because someone's > logged in and he can't find out who.) > > Started by cribbing a module of a MS support site. But them it occurred to > me that there might already be something on a site somewhere to do this. > > Does anyone know of such a program I could download? > > MTIA > > Rocky > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Thu Sep 27 16:03:06 2012 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2012 07:03:06 +1000 Subject: [AccessD] Free Cloud based MySQL In-Reply-To: <5064AD22.5040308@colbyconsulting.com> References: , <5063A7E6.2040.F91EDE8@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>, <5064AD22.5040308@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <5064BF0A.32184.13D450D5@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Does your web host allow you to access the SQL Server database remotely? Very few do - almost invariably, the only way to access a web database is through the web server, all other originating IP addresses are blocked (that's why you need phpMyAdmin or similar running on the web server to administer the database. The advantage of this one is that you don't need an intermediate web server based interface, you can access it directly from anywhere. -- Stuart On 27 Sep 2012 at 15:46, jwcolby wrote: > Stuart, > > My web hosting supplies a SQL Server database. I could just migrate the data to there I suppose. > > John W. Colby > Colby Consulting > > Reality is what refuses to go away > when you do not believe in it > > On 9/26/2012 9:12 PM, Stuart McLachlan wrote: > > A ridiculously simple, seriously powerful CLOUD DATABASE > > Xeround is an elastic, always-on database-as-a-service for your MySQL applications > > . > > http://xeround.com > > > > You can get a free account with up to 10MB of storage. > > > > I just signed up for their free account, created a simple table in MySQL with their > > phpMyAdmin interface, created a MySQL ODBC connection in an Access application and > > added/editted and deleted a few records. It worked fine. > > > > This may be of interest to JC for his prisoner release back-end instead of messing around > > with Hamachi and an Access BE. I'm not sure if he is on the Tech list, so I've sent this to the > > Access list as well :) > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From tinanfields at torchlake.com Thu Sep 27 16:43:27 2012 From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields) Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2012 17:43:27 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Read an ldb File In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5064C87F.6050904@torchlake.com> Wow! Thank you Charlotte. That is terrific! T Tina Norris Fields tinanfields at torchlake.com 231-322-2787 On 9/26/2012 8:35 PM, Charlotte Foust wrote: > Sorry, I accidentally hit enter. > > No actual need to reach the lock file. Open properties, select the > security tab. Down at the bottom you'll see an advanced button. Click > that to go to the Advanced Security Settings. Now click on the Owner tab. > That will show you the "owner" of the persistent lock and you can scold > them soundly. > > Charlotte. > > On Wed, Sep 26, 2012 at 5:30 PM, Charlotte Foust > wrote: > >> If you have access to the folder the ldb file is in, do a right click on >> the file and open the properties dialog. >> >> On Wed, Sep 26, 2012 at 4:36 PM, Rocky Smolin wrote: >> >>> Dear List: >>> >>> I'm about to re-invent the wheel by making an app that will read an ldb >>> file. (Have a client that I can't update the back end because someone's >>> logged in and he can't find out who.) >>> >>> Started by cribbing a module of a MS support site. But them it occurred >>> to >>> me that there might already be something on a site somewhere to do this. >>> >>> Does anyone know of such a program I could download? >>> >>> MTIA >>> >>> Rocky >>> >>> -- >>> AccessD mailing list >>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >>> >>> >>> >>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >>> >>> >>> >>> From dw-murphy at cox.net Thu Sep 27 18:09:12 2012 From: dw-murphy at cox.net (Doug Murphy) Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2012 16:09:12 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Free Cloud based MySQL In-Reply-To: <5064BF0A.32184.13D450D5@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: , <5063A7E6.2040.F91EDE8@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>, <5064AD22.5040308@colbyconsulting.com> <5064BF0A.32184.13D450D5@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <012201cd9d05$1b40eed0$51c2cc70$@cox.net> I think quite a few hosts have changed this policy. New Godaddy databases can be accessed remotely, and several other hosts I work with CrystalTech, and Arvixe allow remote access. I have connected to SQL Server databases from Access on both of the later hosting services. Arvixe allows as many SQL server databases as you want on their lowest level windows hosing. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2012 2:03 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Free Cloud based MySQL Does your web host allow you to access the SQL Server database remotely? Very few do - almost invariably, the only way to access a web database is through the web server, all other originating IP addresses are blocked (that's why you need phpMyAdmin or similar running on the web server to administer the database. The advantage of this one is that you don't need an intermediate web server based interface, you can access it directly from anywhere. -- Stuart On 27 Sep 2012 at 15:46, jwcolby wrote: > Stuart, > > My web hosting supplies a SQL Server database. I could just migrate the data to there I suppose. > > John W. Colby > Colby Consulting > > Reality is what refuses to go away > when you do not believe in it > > On 9/26/2012 9:12 PM, Stuart McLachlan wrote: > > A ridiculously simple, seriously powerful CLOUD DATABASE > > Xeround is an elastic, always-on database-as-a-service for your MySQL applications > > . > > http://xeround.com > > > > You can get a free account with up to 10MB of storage. > > > > I just signed up for their free account, created a simple table in MySQL with their > > phpMyAdmin interface, created a MySQL ODBC connection in an Access application and > > added/editted and deleted a few records. It worked fine. > > > > This may be of interest to JC for his prisoner release back-end instead of messing around > > with Hamachi and an Access BE. I'm not sure if he is on the Tech list, so I've sent this to the > > Access list as well :) > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From kost36 at otenet.gr Fri Sep 28 02:29:31 2012 From: kost36 at otenet.gr (Kostas Konstantinidis) Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2012 10:29:31 +0300 Subject: [AccessD] comdlg32.dll In-Reply-To: <5064ABCE.7060304@colbyconsulting.com> References: <00c501cd9c41$74bcf400$5e36dc00$@cox.net><9F1DF726316B41759E9622BB61D36C28@HAL9007> <5064ABCE.7060304@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <8A4A8CB307F342F3A57712CA78A70D17@kost36> Hi all, I use the comdlg32.dll on a Dev Ashish and Terry Kreft 1999 code but now while we have upgraded to win 7 64-bit and office 64 it need an update for all that... Is really there a "comdlg32.dll" available for office 64-bit? thank's a lot /kostas From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Fri Sep 28 03:35:17 2012 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2012 18:35:17 +1000 Subject: [AccessD] comdlg32.dll In-Reply-To: <8A4A8CB307F342F3A57712CA78A70D17@kost36> References: , <5064ABCE.7060304@colbyconsulting.com>, <8A4A8CB307F342F3A57712CA78A70D17@kost36> Message-ID: <50656145.21981.164DF432@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> You can still use comdlg32.dll. It's available in both 32 and 64 bit Windows. But you need to compile with the PtrSafe keyword. Try this: Declare PtrSafe Function GetOpenFileName Lib "comdlg32.dll" _ Alias "GetOpenFileNameA" (OFN As tagOPENFILENAME) As Boolean If you code is likely to run in different versions of Windows/Office (32 and 64 bit), you need to wrap the declarations in compiler conditionals. #If VBA7 Then Declare PtrSafe Function GetOpenFileName Lib "comdlg32.dll" _ Alias "GetOpenFileNameA" (OFN As tagOPENFILENAME) As Boolean #Else Declare Function GetOpenFileName Lib "comdlg32.dll" _ Alias "GetOpenFileNameA" (OFN As tagOPENFILENAME) As Boolean #End if See http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ee691831%28office.14%29.aspx for all the gory details. -- Stuart On 28 Sep 2012 at 10:29, Kostas Konstantinidis wrote: > Hi all, > I use the comdlg32.dll on a Dev Ashish and Terry Kreft 1999 code > but now while we have upgraded to win 7 64-bit and office 64 > it need an update for all that... > Is really there a "comdlg32.dll" available for office 64-bit? > > thank's a lot > > /kostas > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Fri Sep 28 03:39:58 2012 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2012 18:39:58 +1000 Subject: [AccessD] comdlg32.dll In-Reply-To: <50656145.21981.164DF432@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: , <8A4A8CB307F342F3A57712CA78A70D17@kost36>, <50656145.21981.164DF432@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <5065625E.21624.16523B30@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> I forgot to mention that you also need to change the definition of tagOPENFILENAME. >From memory, there are a couple of places there where you need to use LONGPTR instead of LONG. -- Stuart On 28 Sep 2012 at 18:35, Stuart McLachlan wrote: > You can still use comdlg32.dll. It's available in both 32 and 64 bit Windows. > > But you need to compile with the PtrSafe keyword. Try this: > > Declare PtrSafe Function GetOpenFileName Lib "comdlg32.dll" _ > Alias "GetOpenFileNameA" (OFN As tagOPENFILENAME) As Boolean > > If you code is likely to run in different versions of Windows/Office (32 and 64 bit), you need to > wrap the declarations in compiler conditionals. > > #If VBA7 Then > Declare PtrSafe Function GetOpenFileName Lib "comdlg32.dll" _ > Alias "GetOpenFileNameA" (OFN As tagOPENFILENAME) As Boolean > #Else > Declare Function GetOpenFileName Lib "comdlg32.dll" _ > Alias "GetOpenFileNameA" (OFN As tagOPENFILENAME) As Boolean > #End if > > See http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ee691831%28office.14%29.aspx for all the gory > details. > > -- > Stuart > On 28 Sep 2012 at 10:29, Kostas Konstantinidis wrote: > > > Hi all, > > I use the comdlg32.dll on a Dev Ashish and Terry Kreft 1999 code > > but now while we have upgraded to win 7 64-bit and office 64 > > it need an update for all that... > > Is really there a "comdlg32.dll" available for office 64-bit? > > > > thank's a lot > > > > /kostas > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From rls at WeBeDb.com Fri Sep 28 12:13:07 2012 From: rls at WeBeDb.com (Robert Stewart) Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2012 12:13:07 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Free Cloud based MySQL In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I use Arvixe for hosting. I can admin it through SSMS (SQL Server. I can also access it with MS Access if I add ,1433 to the end of the ODBC server name. 1433 is the normal port for SQL Server. While it is not free, It is only about 200 for 2 years. At 04:03 PM 9/27/2012, you wrote: >Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2012 07:03:06 +1000 >From: "Stuart McLachlan" >To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > >Subject: Re: [AccessD] Free Cloud based MySQL >Message-ID: <5064BF0A.32184.13D450D5 at stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII > >Does your web host allow you to access the SQL Server database remotely? > >Very few do - almost invariably, the only way to access a web >database is through the web >server, all other originating IP addresses are blocked (that's why >you need phpMyAdmin or >similar running on the web server to administer the database. > >The advantage of this one is that you don't need an intermediate web >server based interface, >you can access it directly from anywhere. > >-- >Stuart Robert L. Stewart Any fool can write code that a computer can understand. Good programmers write code that humans can understand. --Martin Fowler www.WeBeDb.com www.DBGUIDesign.com www.RLStewartPhotography.com From kost36 at otenet.gr Sun Sep 30 03:23:34 2012 From: kost36 at otenet.gr (Kostas Konstantinidis) Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2012 11:23:34 +0300 Subject: [AccessD] comdlg32.dll In-Reply-To: <50656145.21981.164DF432@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: , <5064ABCE.7060304@colbyconsulting.com>, <8A4A8CB307F342F3A57712CA78A70D17@kost36> <50656145.21981.164DF432@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: hi Stuart, detailed instructions I found also at http://devonenote.com/2010/02/register-comdlg32-ocx-on-x64-win7/ thank you very much /kostas -----Original Message----- From: Stuart McLachlan Sent: Friday, September 28, 2012 11:35 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] comdlg32.dll You can still use comdlg32.dll. It's available in both 32 and 64 bit Windows. But you need to compile with the PtrSafe keyword. Try this: Declare PtrSafe Function GetOpenFileName Lib "comdlg32.dll" _ Alias "GetOpenFileNameA" (OFN As tagOPENFILENAME) As Boolean If you code is likely to run in different versions of Windows/Office (32 and 64 bit), you need to wrap the declarations in compiler conditionals. #If VBA7 Then Declare PtrSafe Function GetOpenFileName Lib "comdlg32.dll" _ Alias "GetOpenFileNameA" (OFN As tagOPENFILENAME) As Boolean #Else Declare Function GetOpenFileName Lib "comdlg32.dll" _ Alias "GetOpenFileNameA" (OFN As tagOPENFILENAME) As Boolean #End if See http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ee691831%28office.14%29.aspx for all the gory details. -- Stuart On 28 Sep 2012 at 10:29, Kostas Konstantinidis wrote: > Hi all, > I use the comdlg32.dll on a Dev Ashish and Terry Kreft 1999 code > but now while we have upgraded to win 7 64-bit and office 64 > it need an update for all that... > Is really there a "comdlg32.dll" available for office 64-bit? > > thank's a lot > > /kostas > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Sun Sep 30 03:34:53 2012 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2012 18:34:53 +1000 Subject: [AccessD] comdlg32.dll In-Reply-To: References: , <50656145.21981.164DF432@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>, Message-ID: <5068042D.27974.209A4D5F@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> That URL is about registering the OCX, not using the DLL. Which one are you using? -- Stuart On 30 Sep 2012 at 11:23, Kostas Konstantinidis wrote: > hi Stuart, > > detailed instructions I found also at > http://devonenote.com/2010/02/register-comdlg32-ocx-on-x64-win7/ > > thank you very much > > /kostas > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Stuart McLachlan > Sent: Friday, September 28, 2012 11:35 AM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] comdlg32.dll > > You can still use comdlg32.dll. It's available in both 32 and 64 bit > Windows. > > But you need to compile with the PtrSafe keyword. Try this: > > Declare PtrSafe Function GetOpenFileName Lib "comdlg32.dll" _ > Alias "GetOpenFileNameA" (OFN As tagOPENFILENAME) As Boolean > > If you code is likely to run in different versions of Windows/Office (32 and > 64 bit), you need to > wrap the declarations in compiler conditionals. > > #If VBA7 Then > Declare PtrSafe Function GetOpenFileName Lib "comdlg32.dll" _ > Alias "GetOpenFileNameA" (OFN As tagOPENFILENAME) As Boolean > #Else > Declare Function GetOpenFileName Lib "comdlg32.dll" _ > Alias "GetOpenFileNameA" (OFN As tagOPENFILENAME) As Boolean > #End if > > See http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ee691831%28office.14%29.aspx for > all the gory > details. > > -- > Stuart > On 28 Sep 2012 at 10:29, Kostas Konstantinidis wrote: > > > Hi all, > > I use the comdlg32.dll on a Dev Ashish and Terry Kreft 1999 code > > but now while we have upgraded to win 7 64-bit and office 64 > > it need an update for all that... > > Is really there a "comdlg32.dll" available for office 64-bit? > > > > thank's a lot > > > > /kostas > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From kost36 at otenet.gr Sun Sep 30 04:12:38 2012 From: kost36 at otenet.gr (Kostas Konstantinidis) Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2012 12:12:38 +0300 Subject: [AccessD] comdlg32.dll In-Reply-To: <5068042D.27974.209A4D5F@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: , <50656145.21981.164DF432@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>, <5068042D.27974.209A4D5F@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <0CF1193100854E44AA63F6B00826C3D9@kost36> that's the code '-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ' Copyright (C)1998-99 Dev Ashish and Terry Kreft, All Rights Reserved ' The Access Web (http://home.att.net/~dashish) ' Comments and bug reports can be emailed to us ' Dev Ashish (dash10 at hotmail.com) ; Terry Kreft (terry.kreft at mps.co.uk) '-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Private Type OPENFILENAME lStructSize As Long hwnd As Long hInstance As Long lpstrFilter As String lpstrCustomFilter As String nMaxCustFilter As Long nFilterIndex As Long lpstrFile As String nMaxFile As Long lpstrFileTitle As String nMaxFileTitle As Long lpstrInitialDir As String lpstrTitle As String Flags As Long nFileOffset As Integer nFileExtension As Integer lpstrDefExt As String lCustData As Long lpfnHook As Long lpTemplateName As String End Type Private Declare Function GetOpenFileName _ Lib "comdlg32.dll" Alias "GetOpenFileNameA" _ (pOpenfilename As OPENFILENAME) As Long Private Declare Function GetSaveFileName Lib "comdlg32.dll" Alias "GetSaveFileNameA" (pOpenfilename As OPENFILENAME) As Long Private Const OFN_FILEMUSTEXIST = &H1000 Private Const OFN_HIDEREADONLY = &H4 Private Const OFN_OVERWRITEPROMPT = &H2 Private Const OFN_PATHMUSTEXIST = &H800 Private Const OFN_SAVE = 0 Private Const OFN_OPEN = 1 Private Type CTLInf Name As String Enabled As Boolean End Type Private Declare Function apiSortStringArray Lib "msaccess.exe" _ Alias "#81" _ (astrStringArray() As String) _ As Long Private arrCtls() As CTLInf Private mvarOriginalFields As Variant Private Const mconQ = """" -----Original Message----- From: Stuart McLachlan Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2012 11:34 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] comdlg32.dll That URL is about registering the OCX, not using the DLL. Which one are you using? -- Stuart On 30 Sep 2012 at 11:23, Kostas Konstantinidis wrote: > hi Stuart, > > detailed instructions I found also at > http://devonenote.com/2010/02/register-comdlg32-ocx-on-x64-win7/ > > thank you very much > > /kostas > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Stuart McLachlan > Sent: Friday, September 28, 2012 11:35 AM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] comdlg32.dll > > You can still use comdlg32.dll. It's available in both 32 and 64 bit > Windows. > > But you need to compile with the PtrSafe keyword. Try this: > > Declare PtrSafe Function GetOpenFileName Lib "comdlg32.dll" _ > Alias "GetOpenFileNameA" (OFN As tagOPENFILENAME) As > Boolean > > If you code is likely to run in different versions of Windows/Office (32 > and > 64 bit), you need to > wrap the declarations in compiler conditionals. > > #If VBA7 Then > Declare PtrSafe Function GetOpenFileName Lib "comdlg32.dll" _ > Alias "GetOpenFileNameA" (OFN As tagOPENFILENAME) As > Boolean > #Else > Declare Function GetOpenFileName Lib "comdlg32.dll" _ > Alias "GetOpenFileNameA" (OFN As tagOPENFILENAME) As > Boolean > #End if > > See http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ee691831%28office.14%29.aspx > for > all the gory > details. > > -- > Stuart > On 28 Sep 2012 at 10:29, Kostas Konstantinidis wrote: > > > Hi all, > > I use the comdlg32.dll on a Dev Ashish and Terry Kreft 1999 code > > but now while we have upgraded to win 7 64-bit and office 64 > > it need an update for all that... > > Is really there a "comdlg32.dll" available for office 64-bit? > > > > thank's a lot > > > > /kostas > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From mcp2004 at mail.ru Sun Sep 30 09:38:12 2012 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=) Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2012 18:38:12 +0400 Subject: [AccessD] =?utf-8?q?OT=3A_LINQPad_for_seasoned_devs_musing_and_fo?= =?utf-8?q?r_teaching_kids_programming_basics_using_5-th_grade_math_tasks?= =?utf-8?b?Li4u?= Message-ID: <1349015892.119162012@f280.mail.ru> Hi All -- It's quiet here this Sunday and I just wanted to share with you how one can use LINQPad?(http://www.linqpad.net/) to keep oneself training in programming (code snippets) using C#, VB.NET, SQL, F#, LINQ... and also to get your kids math training more entertaining/interesting (I hope)... Context: My kid gets a set of 7 math tasks quiz every week and I'm involved in the "support & test" process.?I wanted to use that opportunity to give my kid some programming and algorithmic thinking lessons using one of the modern programming languages as e.g. JavaScript or C# (or even(!) VB.NET). And I wondered how could one use the following 5-th grade math tasks to gradually teach a kid programming basics (and refresh/keep-fresh oneself brain-cells), and teach not only basics but also foundations of "algorithmic thinking" such as "brute-force" linear search approach vs. heuristics to reduce search space, as well as (.NET style) functional programming/LINQ and side-effects of converting of C# code to VB.NET and vice versa? (Well, training in LINQ and fixing side-effects of code conversion are for myself not for my kid.) Here is the current set of seven tasks. (The actual tasks parameters are changed): // 7. At a meeting seven people shook hands. How many hand-shaking were there? // 6. To ascend from the fifth to the sixth floor, we must take up to 26 steps. // How many steps you have to pass in order to ascend from the second to the eight floor? // 5. There are pegs hammered a quarter of a meter away from each other // at all the corners and the sides of a triangle. // How many pegs are hammered if a side of the triangle is 15 meters long? // 4. How many odd numbers are from 203 to 343 inclusive? // 3. How many three-digit numbers contain a digit 7? // 2. There are 390 pages in a book. How many digits are needed to number all the pages? // 1. How many digits would you have to write if you write // all the natural numbers from 7 to 107 inclusive? FYI: I've currently?chosen?C# to prepare and to run math tasks solutions code snippets using LINQPad. And http://www.developerfusion.com/tools/convert/csharp-to-vb/ to convert C# code snippets to VB.NET. I have the solutions of all the above tasks using C#. They are mainly "one-liners" as you might expect. Would you like to see the solutions posted here as the code snippets you can run in LINQPad? Would you like first to post here your solutions for the above tasks in VBA? Could you also please check and fix if needed my English translations of the tasks definitions which were originally written in Russian? Thank you. -- Shamil From BradM at blackforestltd.com Sun Sep 30 13:40:06 2012 From: BradM at blackforestltd.com (Brad Marks) Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2012 13:40:06 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Highlighting Select Words in a Large Text Field References: <1349015892.119162012@f280.mail.ru> Message-ID: All, Ever since I became a member of the AccessD forum a couple years ago, I have asked many questions and received a ton of great ideas and solutions. I am grateful for this help. However, as a relative newcomer, I have not been able to contribute very much that others might find useful. I share the following example with the idea that others may benefit from some work that I did over the weekend. The small firm where I work has a purchased manufacturing system. I have built an inquiry system using Access 2007 with ODBC access to the manufacturing system database. This works very nicely. Recently, our users requested a new inquiry that would allow them to search for records that contain select words that are found in a large text field. This was easy to accomplish with a little VBA code that changes the SQL based on the word or words that the users specify. This works fine, except that the resulting data on an Access report is simply displayed as one big chuck (over 1,000 bytes). I needed to find a way to highlight select words. In the purchased manufacturing system database, the field in question is defined as a memo field. I did some research to see if it was possible to highlight select words when displaying a memo field, but could not find a quick solution. Here is what I came up with over the weekend. I use VBA code to change the SQL based on the string that the users request. The select records are available via a Record Set. I then wrote a little VBA code that adds HTML tags as needed to create an HTML file and to highlight the requested words in bold red. When all of the records in the Record Set are processed, the VBA code initiates Internet Explorer to display the generated HTML file. This approach did not take a lot of time to build and it seems to work nicely. I showed what I had built to my wife and she did not seem to be impressed. I showed it to one of our three children and he was not impressed either. I showed it to the family dog and he also was not impressed. I am starting to feel like the Rodney Dangerfield of the database realm. I plan to show the final results to the users tomorrow (Monday). Anyway, I thought that I would share this concept and perhaps someone else would benefit. Brad From mcp2004 at mail.ru Sun Sep 30 14:28:45 2012 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=) Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2012 23:28:45 +0400 Subject: [AccessD] =?utf-8?q?Highlighting_Select_Words_in_a_Large_Text_Fie?= =?utf-8?q?ld?= In-Reply-To: References: <1349015892.119162012@f280.mail.ru> Message-ID: <1349033325.687434133@f139.mail.ru> Hi Brad -- Why not use (unbound) TextBox control with its Text Format property set to "Rich Text"? Thank you. -- Shamil Sun, 30 Sep 2012 13:40:06 -0500 ?? "Brad Marks" : > > > > >All, > > Ever since I became a member of the AccessD forum a couple years ago, I have asked many questions and received a ton of great ideas and solutions. I am grateful for this help. However, as a relative newcomer, I have not been able to contribute very much that others might find useful. I share the following example with the idea that others may benefit from some work that I did over the weekend. > > The small firm where I work has a purchased manufacturing system. I have built an inquiry system using Access 2007 with ODBC access to the manufacturing system database. This works very nicely. Recently, our users requested a new inquiry that would allow them to search for records that contain select words that are found in a large text field. > > This was easy to accomplish with a little VBA code that changes the SQL based on the word or words that the users specify. This works fine, except that the resulting data on an Access report is simply displayed as one big chuck (over 1,000 bytes). I needed to find a way to highlight select words. > > In the purchased manufacturing system database, the field in question is defined as a memo field. I did some research to see if it was possible to highlight select words when displaying a memo field, but could not find a quick solution. > > Here is what I came up with over the weekend. > > I use VBA code to change the SQL based on the string that the users request. The select records are available via a Record Set. > > I then wrote a little VBA code that adds HTML tags as needed to create an HTML file and to highlight the requested words in bold red. > > When all of the records in the Record Set are processed, the VBA code initiates Internet Explorer to display the generated HTML file. > > This approach did not take a lot of time to build and it seems to work nicely. > > I showed what I had built to my wife and she did not seem to be impressed. I showed it to one of our three children and he was not impressed either. I showed it to the family dog and he also was not impressed. I am starting to feel like the Rodney Dangerfield of the database realm. I plan to show the final results to the users tomorrow (Monday). > > Anyway, I thought that I would share this concept and perhaps someone else would benefit. > ? > Brad > > >-- > AccessD mailing list >AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > From BradM at blackforestltd.com Sun Sep 30 14:35:58 2012 From: BradM at blackforestltd.com (Brad Marks) Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2012 14:35:58 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Highlighting Select Words in a Large Text Field References: <1349015892.119162012@f280.mail.ru> <1349033325.687434133@f139.mail.ru> Message-ID: Shamil, Because the field is coming from a database in a purchased package, I cannot control how the data is stored. If I used a TextBox control with the property set to "Rich Text", I am not sure how I could change the text to highlight the selected word(s). Maybe there is a way to do this, but I could not find an example. Thanks, Brad -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com on behalf of Salakhetdinov Shamil Sent: Sun 9/30/2012 2:28 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Highlighting Select Words in a Large Text Field Hi Brad -- Why not use (unbound) TextBox control with its Text Format property set to "Rich Text"? Thank you. -- Shamil Sun, 30 Sep 2012 13:40:06 -0500 ?? "Brad Marks" : > > > > >All, > > Ever since I became a member of the AccessD forum a couple years ago, I have asked many questions and received a ton of great ideas and solutions. I am grateful for this help. However, as a relative newcomer, I have not been able to contribute very much that others might find useful. I share the following example with the idea that others may benefit from some work that I did over the weekend. > > The small firm where I work has a purchased manufacturing system. I have built an inquiry system using Access 2007 with ODBC access to the manufacturing system database. This works very nicely. Recently, our users requested a new inquiry that would allow them to search for records that contain select words that are found in a large text field. > > This was easy to accomplish with a little VBA code that changes the SQL based on the word or words that the users specify. This works fine, except that the resulting data on an Access report is simply displayed as one big chuck (over 1,000 bytes). I needed to find a way to highlight select words. > > In the purchased manufacturing system database, the field in question is defined as a memo field. I did some research to see if it was possible to highlight select words when displaying a memo field, but could not find a quick solution. > > Here is what I came up with over the weekend. > > I use VBA code to change the SQL based on the string that the users request. The select records are available via a Record Set. > > I then wrote a little VBA code that adds HTML tags as needed to create an HTML file and to highlight the requested words in bold red. > > When all of the records in the Record Set are processed, the VBA code initiates Internet Explorer to display the generated HTML file. > > This approach did not take a lot of time to build and it seems to work nicely. > > I showed what I had built to my wife and she did not seem to be impressed. I showed it to one of our three children and he was not impressed either. I showed it to the family dog and he also was not impressed. I am starting to feel like the Rodney Dangerfield of the database realm. I plan to show the final results to the users tomorrow (Monday). > > Anyway, I thought that I would share this concept and perhaps someone else would benefit. > ? > Brad > > >-- > AccessD mailing list >AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. From mcp2004 at mail.ru Sun Sep 30 15:11:37 2012 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=) Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2012 00:11:37 +0400 Subject: [AccessD] =?utf-8?q?Highlighting_Select_Words_in_a_Large_Text_Fie?= =?utf-8?q?ld?= In-Reply-To: References: <1349015892.119162012@f280.mail.ru> Message-ID: <1349035897.389750544@f251.mail.ru> Brad, Set "Rich Text" TextBox's .Value property equal to your HTML text and see how that will impress your relatives :) Thank you. -- Shamil Sun, 30 Sep 2012 14:35:58 -0500 ?? "Brad Marks" : > > > > >Shamil, > > Because the field is coming from a database in a purchased package, I cannot control how the data is stored. > > If I used a TextBox control with the property set to "Rich Text", I am not sure how I could change the text to highlight the selected word(s). Maybe there is a way to do this, but I could not find an example. > > Thanks, > Brad > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com on behalf of Salakhetdinov Shamil > Sent: Sun 9/30/2012 2:28 PM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Highlighting Select Words in a Large Text Field > ? > Hi Brad -- > > Why not use (unbound) TextBox control with its Text Format property set to "Rich Text"? > > Thank you. > > -- Shamil > > > Sun, 30 Sep 2012 13:40:06 -0500 ?? "Brad Marks" : > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >All, > > > > > Ever since I became a member of the AccessD forum a couple years ago, I have asked many questions and received a ton of great ideas and solutions. I am grateful for this help. However, as a relative newcomer, I have not been able to contribute very much that others might find useful. I share the following example with the idea that others may benefit from some work that I did over the weekend. > > > > > The small firm where I work has a purchased manufacturing system. I have built an inquiry system using Access 2007 with ODBC access to the manufacturing system database. This works very nicely. Recently, our users requested a new inquiry that would allow them to search for records that contain select words that are found in a large text field. > > > > > This was easy to accomplish with a little VBA code that changes the SQL based on the word or words that the users specify. This works fine, except that the resulting data on an Access report is simply displayed as one big chuck (over 1,000 bytes). I needed to find a way to highlight select words. > > > > > In the purchased manufacturing system database, the field in question is defined as a memo field. I did some research to see if it was possible to highlight select words when displaying a memo field, but could not find a quick solution. > > > > > Here is what I came up with over the weekend. > > > > > I use VBA code to change the SQL based on the string that the users request. The select records are available via a Record Set. > > > > > I then wrote a little VBA code that adds HTML tags as needed to create an HTML file and to highlight the requested words in bold red. > > > > > When all of the records in the Record Set are processed, the VBA code initiates Internet Explorer to display the generated HTML file. > > > > > This approach did not take a lot of time to build and it seems to work nicely. > > > > > I showed what I had built to my wife and she did not seem to be impressed. I showed it to one of our three children and he was not impressed either. I showed it to the family dog and he also was not impressed. I am starting to feel like the Rodney Dangerfield of the database realm. I plan to show the final results to the users tomorrow (Monday). > > > > > Anyway, I thought that I would share this concept and perhaps someone else would benefit. > > > ? > > > Brad > > > > > > >-- > > > AccessD mailing list > >AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list >AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is > believed to be clean. > > > > >-- > AccessD mailing list >AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > From Gustav at cactus.dk Sun Sep 30 15:29:09 2012 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2012 22:29:09 +0200 Subject: [AccessD] Highlighting Select Words in a Large Text Field Message-ID: Hi Brad Keep fighting. Don't let the ignorance from your family hold you back. They live in another World. /gustav >>> BradM at blackforestltd.com 30-09-12 20:40 >>> I showed what I had built to my wife and she did not seem to be impressed. I showed it to one of our three children and he was not impressed either. I showed it to the family dog and he also was not impressed. I am starting to feel like the Rodney Dangerfield of the database realm. I plan to show the final results to the users tomorrow (Monday). Anyway, I thought that I would share this concept and perhaps someone else would benefit. Brad From accessd at shaw.ca Sun Sep 30 15:28:55 2012 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2012 13:28:55 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Highlighting Select Words in a Large Text Field In-Reply-To: References: <1349015892.119162012@f280.mail.ru> Message-ID: I have used HTML pages to manage data displays that the current Access version was unable to handle easily or features like Google chart tools or maps. These features seem to integrate quite nicely within Access especially if you are using a MS SQL BE. MS Access is an excellent controller. OT: It may be too late to educate you wife, in geek technology but it is never too early to start educating your children. ;-) Good work Brad. Jim -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brad Marks Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2012 11:40 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: [AccessD] Highlighting Select Words in a Large Text Field All, Ever since I became a member of the AccessD forum a couple years ago, I have asked many questions and received a ton of great ideas and solutions. I am grateful for this help. However, as a relative newcomer, I have not been able to contribute very much that others might find useful. I share the following example with the idea that others may benefit from some work that I did over the weekend. The small firm where I work has a purchased manufacturing system. I have built an inquiry system using Access 2007 with ODBC access to the manufacturing system database. This works very nicely. Recently, our users requested a new inquiry that would allow them to search for records that contain select words that are found in a large text field. This was easy to accomplish with a little VBA code that changes the SQL based on the word or words that the users specify. This works fine, except that the resulting data on an Access report is simply displayed as one big chuck (over 1,000 bytes). I needed to find a way to highlight select words. In the purchased manufacturing system database, the field in question is defined as a memo field. I did some research to see if it was possible to highlight select words when displaying a memo field, but could not find a quick solution. Here is what I came up with over the weekend. I use VBA code to change the SQL based on the string that the users request. The select records are available via a Record Set. I then wrote a little VBA code that adds HTML tags as needed to create an HTML file and to highlight the requested words in bold red. When all of the records in the Record Set are processed, the VBA code initiates Internet Explorer to display the generated HTML file. This approach did not take a lot of time to build and it seems to work nicely. I showed what I had built to my wife and she did not seem to be impressed. I showed it to one of our three children and he was not impressed either. I showed it to the family dog and he also was not impressed. I am starting to feel like the Rodney Dangerfield of the database realm. I plan to show the final results to the users tomorrow (Monday). Anyway, I thought that I would share this concept and perhaps someone else would benefit. Brad From charlotte.foust at gmail.com Sun Sep 30 15:41:39 2012 From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust) Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2012 13:41:39 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Highlighting Select Words in a Large Text Field Message-ID: <0x16vg2h56x3g7o6w4m09fqy.1349037699386@email.android.com> I'd be very interested in seeing your code and a demo, Brad. Charlotte Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S? II Skyrocket?, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone.Brad Marks wrote:All, Ever since I became a member of the AccessD forum a couple years ago, I have asked many questions and received a ton of great ideas and solutions.? I am grateful for this help.? However, as a relative newcomer, I have not been able to contribute very much that others might find useful.? I share the following example with the idea that others may benefit from some work that I did over the weekend. The small firm where I work has a purchased manufacturing system.? I have built an inquiry system using Access 2007 with ODBC access to the manufacturing system database. This works very nicely.? Recently, our users requested a new inquiry that would allow them to search for records that contain select words that are found in a large text field. This was easy to accomplish with a little VBA code that changes the SQL based on the word or words that the users specify.? This works fine, except that the resulting data on an Access report is simply displayed as one big chuck (over 1,000 bytes).? I needed to find a way to highlight select words.? In the purchased manufacturing system database, the field in question is defined as a memo field.? I did some research to see if it was possible to highlight select words when displaying a memo field, but could not find a quick solution. Here is what I came up with over the weekend. I use VBA code to change the SQL based on the string that the users request.? The select records are available via a Record Set. I then wrote a little VBA code that adds HTML tags as needed to create an HTML file and to highlight the requested words in bold red. When all of the records in the Record Set are processed, the VBA code initiates Internet Explorer to display the generated HTML file. This approach did not take a lot of time to build and it seems to work nicely. I showed what I had built to my wife and she did not seem to be impressed.? I showed it to one of our three children and he was not impressed either.? I showed it to the family dog and he also was not impressed.? I am starting to feel like the Rodney Dangerfield of the database realm.? I plan to show the final results to the users tomorrow (Monday). Anyway, I thought that I would share this concept and perhaps someone else would benefit.? Brad -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Sun Sep 30 15:44:24 2012 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2012 16:44:24 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Highlighting Select Words in a Large Text Field In-Reply-To: References: <1349015892.119162012@f280.mail.ru> Message-ID: Brad, How do you know which words to highlight? If you know them in advance, why not store all the HTML directly in the memo field, rather than just the text? Arthur -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brad Marks > Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2012 11:40 AM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: [AccessD] Highlighting Select Words in a Large Text Field > > All, > > Ever since I became a member of the AccessD forum a couple years ago, I > have > asked many questions and received a ton of great ideas and solutions. I am > grateful for this help. However, as a relative newcomer, I have not been > able to contribute very much that others might find useful. I share the > following example with the idea that others may benefit from some work that > I did over the weekend. > > The small firm where I work has a purchased manufacturing system. I have > built an inquiry system using Access 2007 with ODBC access to the > manufacturing system database. This works very nicely. Recently, our users > requested a new inquiry that would allow them to search for records that > contain select words that are found in a large text field. > > This was easy to accomplish with a little VBA code that changes the SQL > based on the word or words that the users specify. This works fine, except > that the resulting data on an Access report is simply displayed as one big > chuck (over 1,000 bytes). I needed to find a way to highlight select > words. > > > In the purchased manufacturing system database, the field in question is > defined as a memo field. I did some research to see if it was possible to > highlight select words when displaying a memo field, but could not find a > quick solution. > > Here is what I came up with over the weekend. > > I use VBA code to change the SQL based on the string that the users > request. > The select records are available via a Record Set. > > I then wrote a little VBA code that adds HTML tags as needed to create an > HTML file and to highlight the requested words in bold red. > > When all of the records in the Record Set are processed, the VBA code > initiates Internet Explorer to display the generated HTML file. > > This approach did not take a lot of time to build and it seems to work > nicely. > > I showed what I had built to my wife and she did not seem to be impressed. > I showed it to one of our three children and he was not impressed either. > I > showed it to the family dog and he also was not impressed. I am starting > to > feel like the Rodney Dangerfield of the database realm. I plan to show the > final results to the users tomorrow (Monday). > > Anyway, I thought that I would share this concept and perhaps someone else > would benefit. > > Brad > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From rusty.hammond at cpiqpc.com Sun Sep 30 15:54:01 2012 From: rusty.hammond at cpiqpc.com (Rusty Hammond) Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2012 15:54:01 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Highlighting Select Words in a Large Text Field In-Reply-To: References: <1349015892.119162012@f280.mail.ru> Message-ID: <49A286ABF515E94A8505CD14DEB721701744AE99@CPIEMAIL-EVS1.CPIQPC.NET> Arthur, Sounds like he's pulling from a database for a package they bought. Probably can't (or at least shouldn't) change the data for risk of causing issues in the purchased application. Rusty -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2012 3:44 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Highlighting Select Words in a Large Text Field Brad, How do you know which words to highlight? If you know them in advance, why not store all the HTML directly in the memo field, rather than just the text? Arthur -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brad Marks > Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2012 11:40 AM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: [AccessD] Highlighting Select Words in a Large Text Field > > All, > > Ever since I became a member of the AccessD forum a couple years ago, > I have asked many questions and received a ton of great ideas and > solutions. I am grateful for this help. However, as a relative > newcomer, I have not been able to contribute very much that others > might find useful. I share the following example with the idea that > others may benefit from some work that I did over the weekend. > > The small firm where I work has a purchased manufacturing system. I > have built an inquiry system using Access 2007 with ODBC access to the > manufacturing system database. This works very nicely. Recently, our > users requested a new inquiry that would allow them to search for > records that contain select words that are found in a large text field. > > This was easy to accomplish with a little VBA code that changes the > SQL based on the word or words that the users specify. This works > fine, except that the resulting data on an Access report is simply > displayed as one big chuck (over 1,000 bytes). I needed to find a way > to highlight select words. > > > In the purchased manufacturing system database, the field in question > is defined as a memo field. I did some research to see if it was > possible to highlight select words when displaying a memo field, but > could not find a quick solution. > > Here is what I came up with over the weekend. > > I use VBA code to change the SQL based on the string that the users > request. > The select records are available via a Record Set. > > I then wrote a little VBA code that adds HTML tags as needed to create > an HTML file and to highlight the requested words in bold red. > > When all of the records in the Record Set are processed, the VBA code > initiates Internet Explorer to display the generated HTML file. > > This approach did not take a lot of time to build and it seems to work > nicely. > > I showed what I had built to my wife and she did not seem to be impressed. > I showed it to one of our three children and he was not impressed either. > I > showed it to the family dog and he also was not impressed. I am > starting to feel like the Rodney Dangerfield of the database realm. I > plan to show the final results to the users tomorrow (Monday). > > Anyway, I thought that I would share this concept and perhaps someone > else would benefit. > > Brad > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com ********************************************************************** WARNING: All e-mail sent to and from this address will be received, scanned or otherwise recorded by the CPI Qualified Plan Consultants, Inc. corporate e-mail system and is subject to archival, monitoring or review by, and/or disclosure to, someone other than the recipient. ********************************************************************** From fuller.artful at gmail.com Sun Sep 30 17:40:44 2012 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2012 18:40:44 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Highlighting Select Words in a Large Text Field In-Reply-To: <49A286ABF515E94A8505CD14DEB721701744AE99@CPIEMAIL-EVS1.CPIQPC.NET> References: <1349015892.119162012@f280.mail.ru> <49A286ABF515E94A8505CD14DEB721701744AE99@CPIEMAIL-EVS1.CPIQPC.NET> Message-ID: That sounds reasonable, Rusty. On Sun, Sep 30, 2012 at 4:54 PM, Rusty Hammond wrote: > > Arthur, > Sounds like he's pulling from a database for a package they bought. > Probably can't (or at least shouldn't) change the data for risk of > causing issues in the purchased application. > > Rusty > > From BradM at blackforestltd.com Sun Sep 30 18:45:02 2012 From: BradM at blackforestltd.com (Brad Marks) Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2012 18:45:02 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Highlighting Select Words in a Large Text Field References: <1349015892.119162012@f280.mail.ru> <49A286ABF515E94A8505CD14DEB721701744AE99@CPIEMAIL-EVS1.CPIQPC.NET> Message-ID: Rusty, You are right. The definition of the text field is in a purchased package and cannot be changed. The data itself, can only be changed via the purchased manufacturing software package. We can NEVER update the data via Access or any other software except the purchased package. The purchased software has some canned reports, but our users want many more reports which are quite easy to produce with Access. The report that I am currently working on has the large text field. This field contains detailed manufacturing specifications. Each product produced (gold rings for example) are highly customized. The users want the ability to key in a word (or words) and then see a report of every Sales Order record that has this word (or words) in the large text field. This is easy to provide. The more difficult challenge is that the users want the word (or words) that they select (key in) to be shown on the report in the color red and in a bold font. For example, a user might key in "AMPI" for their search criteria. They would then want to see each Sales Order that has the Text field that contains the word AMPI *AND* they want the word AMPI to be shown in bold font and the color red. This is to make the word AMPI stand out, as it can appear any place in the large text field and it can appear multiple times. I have this working via the HTML method. I looked into using RTF, but I wasn't sure how to use VBA to change plain text into Rich Text with specific words in a bold font and in the color red. There might be another way to do this, but I was pretty excited about getting the HTML method to work. Brad PS. I sometimes get a little heat on the home front for working on the weekends, but I keep telling them that I am really not working, "I am playing". I remember a quote that I once saw from an Oracle executive. Something along these lines... "A relational database is a computer game with unlimited levels" :-) -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com on behalf of Rusty Hammond Sent: Sun 9/30/2012 3:54 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Highlighting Select Words in a Large Text Field Arthur, Sounds like he's pulling from a database for a package they bought. Probably can't (or at least shouldn't) change the data for risk of causing issues in the purchased application. Rusty -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2012 3:44 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Highlighting Select Words in a Large Text Field Brad, How do you know which words to highlight? If you know them in advance, why not store all the HTML directly in the memo field, rather than just the text? Arthur -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brad Marks > Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2012 11:40 AM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: [AccessD] Highlighting Select Words in a Large Text Field > > All, > > Ever since I became a member of the AccessD forum a couple years ago, > I have asked many questions and received a ton of great ideas and > solutions. I am grateful for this help. However, as a relative > newcomer, I have not been able to contribute very much that others > might find useful. I share the following example with the idea that > others may benefit from some work that I did over the weekend. > > The small firm where I work has a purchased manufacturing system. I > have built an inquiry system using Access 2007 with ODBC access to the > manufacturing system database. This works very nicely. Recently, our > users requested a new inquiry that would allow them to search for > records that contain select words that are found in a large text field. > > This was easy to accomplish with a little VBA code that changes the > SQL based on the word or words that the users specify. This works > fine, except that the resulting data on an Access report is simply > displayed as one big chuck (over 1,000 bytes). I needed to find a way > to highlight select words. > > > In the purchased manufacturing system database, the field in question > is defined as a memo field. I did some research to see if it was > possible to highlight select words when displaying a memo field, but > could not find a quick solution. > > Here is what I came up with over the weekend. > > I use VBA code to change the SQL based on the string that the users > request. > The select records are available via a Record Set. > > I then wrote a little VBA code that adds HTML tags as needed to create > an HTML file and to highlight the requested words in bold red. > > When all of the records in the Record Set are processed, the VBA code > initiates Internet Explorer to display the generated HTML file. > > This approach did not take a lot of time to build and it seems to work > nicely. > > I showed what I had built to my wife and she did not seem to be impressed. > I showed it to one of our three children and he was not impressed either. > I > showed it to the family dog and he also was not impressed. I am > starting to feel like the Rodney Dangerfield of the database realm. I > plan to show the final results to the users tomorrow (Monday). > > Anyway, I thought that I would share this concept and perhaps someone > else would benefit. > > Brad > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com ********************************************************************** WARNING: All e-mail sent to and from this address will be received, scanned or otherwise recorded by the CPI Qualified Plan Consultants, Inc. corporate e-mail system and is subject to archival, monitoring or review by, and/or disclosure to, someone other than the recipient. ********************************************************************** -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean.