From BradM at blackforestltd.com Thu Aug 1 16:53:08 2013 From: BradM at blackforestltd.com (Brad Marks) Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2013 16:53:08 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] How to Change CRCRLF to just CRLF References: <535fcc8578304caaa799c840cf1da21f@SIXPR04MB048.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com><5a456c2788424997a2e0fbda2f458afb@HKXPR04MB037.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com> Message-ID: All, We have an Access-based system that pulls records via ODBC from a purchased Accounting system in order to generate EDI transactions. For over three years, everything has worked nicely. Today, one of the generated EDI transactions failed. In looking at the records pulled from the Accounting system, it appears that a small number of the records end with CRCRLF instead of just CRLF (Carriage Return Line Feed). I can change the CR (Hex od) to spaces with a replace command like this Str_A = Replace(Str_A, Chr(13), " ") However, I don't want to replace all CRs with spaces. I only want to replace the first CR with spaces when I find CRCRLF. Is there a way to do this with VBA? Thanks, Brad From steve at datamanagementsolutions.biz Thu Aug 1 17:19:13 2013 From: steve at datamanagementsolutions.biz (Steve Schapel) Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2013 10:19:13 +1200 Subject: [AccessD] How to Change CRCRLF to just CRLF In-Reply-To: References: <535fcc8578304caaa799c840cf1da21f@SIXPR04MB048.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com><5a456c2788424997a2e0fbda2f458afb@HKXPR04MB037.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com> Message-ID: <32D1CE91C317453B99034B79A6B2B266@stevelaptop> Hi Brad Does this work?... Str_A = Replace(Str_A, Chr(13) & Chr(13) & Chr(10), Chr(13) & Chr(10)) Regards Steve -----Original Message----- From: Brad Marks Sent: Friday, August 02, 2013 9:53 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: [AccessD] How to Change CRCRLF to just CRLF All, We have an Access-based system that pulls records via ODBC from a purchased Accounting system in order to generate EDI transactions. For over three years, everything has worked nicely. Today, one of the generated EDI transactions failed. In looking at the records pulled from the Accounting system, it appears that a small number of the records end with CRCRLF instead of just CRLF (Carriage Return Line Feed). I can change the CR (Hex od) to spaces with a replace command like this Str_A = Replace(Str_A, Chr(13), " ") However, I don't want to replace all CRs with spaces. I only want to replace the first CR with spaces when I find CRCRLF. Is there a way to do this with VBA? Thanks, Brad -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From davidmcafee at gmail.com Thu Aug 1 17:19:43 2013 From: davidmcafee at gmail.com (David McAfee) Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2013 15:19:43 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] How to Change CRCRLF to just CRLF In-Reply-To: References: <535fcc8578304caaa799c840cf1da21f@SIXPR04MB048.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com> <5a456c2788424997a2e0fbda2f458afb@HKXPR04MB037.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com> Message-ID: WAG, but instead of replacing only the single CR, could you look for CRCR or CRCRLF? Maybe set a variable to it and use the variable in the REPLACE? On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 2:53 PM, Brad Marks wrote: > All, > > We have an Access-based system that pulls records via ODBC from a > purchased Accounting system in order to generate EDI transactions. > > For over three years, everything has worked nicely. > > Today, one of the generated EDI transactions failed. In looking at the > records pulled from the Accounting system, it appears that a small > number of the records end with CRCRLF instead of just CRLF (Carriage > Return Line Feed). > > I can change the CR (Hex od) to spaces with a replace command like this > > Str_A = Replace(Str_A, Chr(13), " ") > > > However, I don't want to replace all CRs with spaces. I only want to > replace the first CR with spaces when I find CRCRLF. > > Is there a way to do this with VBA? > > Thanks, > Brad > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From stephen at bondsoftware.co.nz Thu Aug 1 17:45:22 2013 From: stephen at bondsoftware.co.nz (Stephen Bond) Date: Fri, 02 Aug 2013 10:45:22 +1200 Subject: [AccessD] How to Change CRCRLF to just CRLF In-Reply-To: <338FD79235E04F2E90FFDAD6823E3AA4@BondSoftware.local> References: <535fcc8578304caaa799c840cf1da21f@SIXPR04MB048.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com> <5a456c2788424997a2e0fbda2f458afb@HKXPR04MB037.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com> <338FD79235E04F2E90FFDAD6823E3AA4@BondSoftware.local> Message-ID: Brad, This <> gives <<12>> in Access. Make the appropriate substitutions. Stephen Bond -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brad Marks Sent: Friday, 2 August 2013 10:31 a.m. To: Stephen Subject: [AccessD] How to Change CRCRLF to just CRLF All, We have an Access-based system that pulls records via ODBC from a purchased Accounting system in order to generate EDI transactions. For over three years, everything has worked nicely. Today, one of the generated EDI transactions failed. In looking at the records pulled from the Accounting system, it appears that a small number of the records end with CRCRLF instead of just CRLF (Carriage Return Line Feed). I can change the CR (Hex od) to spaces with a replace command like this Str_A = Replace(Str_A, Chr(13), " ") However, I don't want to replace all CRs with spaces. I only want to replace the first CR with spaces when I find CRCRLF. Is there a way to do this with VBA? Thanks, Brad -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jbodin at sbor.com Thu Aug 1 18:22:48 2013 From: jbodin at sbor.com (John Bodin) Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2013 23:22:48 +0000 Subject: [AccessD] How to Change CRCRLF to just CRLF In-Reply-To: <32D1CE91C317453B99034B79A6B2B266@stevelaptop> References: <535fcc8578304caaa799c840cf1da21f@SIXPR04MB048.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com><5a456c2788424997a2e0fbda2f458afb@HKXPR04MB037.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com> <32D1CE91C317453B99034B79A6B2B266@stevelaptop> Message-ID: Brad, you could do either replace(Str_A, chr(13) & chr(13), chr(13)) or replace(Str_A, chr(13) & chr(13) & chr(10), chr(13) & chr(10)) Or use the constant vbCrLf for a little better readability. John -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Schapel Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2013 6:19 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] How to Change CRCRLF to just CRLF Hi Brad Does this work?... Str_A = Replace(Str_A, Chr(13) & Chr(13) & Chr(10), Chr(13) & Chr(10)) Regards Steve -----Original Message----- From: Brad Marks Sent: Friday, August 02, 2013 9:53 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: [AccessD] How to Change CRCRLF to just CRLF All, We have an Access-based system that pulls records via ODBC from a purchased Accounting system in order to generate EDI transactions. For over three years, everything has worked nicely. Today, one of the generated EDI transactions failed. In looking at the records pulled from the Accounting system, it appears that a small number of the records end with CRCRLF instead of just CRLF (Carriage Return Line Feed). I can change the CR (Hex od) to spaces with a replace command like this Str_A = Replace(Str_A, Chr(13), " ") However, I don't want to replace all CRs with spaces. I only want to replace the first CR with spaces when I find CRCRLF. Is there a way to do this with VBA? Thanks, Brad -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From BradM at blackforestltd.com Fri Aug 2 15:01:34 2013 From: BradM at blackforestltd.com (Brad Marks) Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2013 15:01:34 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] How to Change CRCRLF to just CRLF References: <535fcc8578304caaa799c840cf1da21f@SIXPR04MB048.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com><5a456c2788424997a2e0fbda2f458afb@HKXPR04MB037.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com><338FD79235E04F2E90FFDAD6823E3AA4@BondSoftware.local> Message-ID: Thanks to everyone who helped me with this problem. I appreciate the assistance. Brad -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stephen Bond Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2013 5:45 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] How to Change CRCRLF to just CRLF Brad, This <> gives <<12>> in Access. Make the appropriate substitutions. Stephen Bond -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brad Marks Sent: Friday, 2 August 2013 10:31 a.m. To: Stephen Subject: [AccessD] How to Change CRCRLF to just CRLF All, We have an Access-based system that pulls records via ODBC from a purchased Accounting system in order to generate EDI transactions. For over three years, everything has worked nicely. Today, one of the generated EDI transactions failed. In looking at the records pulled from the Accounting system, it appears that a small number of the records end with CRCRLF instead of just CRLF (Carriage Return Line Feed). I can change the CR (Hex od) to spaces with a replace command like this Str_A = Replace(Str_A, Chr(13), " ") However, I don't want to replace all CRs with spaces. I only want to replace the first CR with spaces when I find CRCRLF. Is there a way to do this with VBA? Thanks, Brad -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- This message was scanned by ESVA and is believed to be clean. Click here to report this message as spam. http://h0stname/cgi-bin/learn-msg.cgi?id=58DD928960.490AF From vbacreations at gmail.com Fri Aug 2 19:11:31 2013 From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson) Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2013 20:11:31 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] How to Change CRCRLF to just CRLF In-Reply-To: References: <535fcc8578304caaa799c840cf1da21f@SIXPR04MB048.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com> <5a456c2788424997a2e0fbda2f458afb@HKXPR04MB037.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com> <32D1CE91C317453B99034B79A6B2B266@stevelaptop> Message-ID: Latter is safest. Always better to replace the most narrowly defined string, even if it means something that to a mathematician would seem redundant. I would also say that it might be beneficial to find out the source of the data anomaly, it seems ominous. Not only that, I have seen some data which belongs all in one field, contain such line break type characters, and performing such global replaces is not the way to go in such cases. I think I would test the data row by row, and if this anomaly is occurring only at the end of a line, break said line into two parts, the 2nd par being tje last 3 characters, and the 1st being everything to the left of that. Then recombine using the replace statement already described, but operated only upon the 2nd partial. That will avert any risk of changing something that should not have been changed. Always try to do the least change via Replace$ as required in a single step. On Aug 1, 2013 7:24 PM, "John Bodin" wrote: > Brad, you could do either replace(Str_A, chr(13) & chr(13), chr(13)) or > replace(Str_A, chr(13) & chr(13) & chr(10), chr(13) & chr(10)) > > Or use the constant vbCrLf for a little better readability. > > John > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto: > accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Schapel > Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2013 6:19 PM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] How to Change CRCRLF to just CRLF > > Hi Brad > > Does this work?... > > Str_A = Replace(Str_A, Chr(13) & Chr(13) & Chr(10), Chr(13) & Chr(10)) > > Regards > Steve > > -----Original Message----- > From: Brad Marks > Sent: Friday, August 02, 2013 9:53 AM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: [AccessD] How to Change CRCRLF to just CRLF > > All, > > We have an Access-based system that pulls records via ODBC from a > purchased Accounting system in order to generate EDI transactions. > > For over three years, everything has worked nicely. > > Today, one of the generated EDI transactions failed. In looking at the > records pulled from the Accounting system, it appears that a small number > of the records end with CRCRLF instead of just CRLF (Carriage Return Line > Feed). > > I can change the CR (Hex od) to spaces with a replace command like this > > Str_A = Replace(Str_A, Chr(13), " ") > > > However, I don't want to replace all CRs with spaces. I only want to > replace the first CR with spaces when I find CRCRLF. > > Is there a way to do this with VBA? > > Thanks, > Brad > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Tue Aug 6 19:35:07 2013 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2013 17:35:07 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Better Looking Buttons Message-ID: Dear List: A client writes: "I would like to try and make the various buttons more three dimensional looking. Examples from Apple are in Exhibit K. Can we do something like this?" He's looking to give the command buttons a little sizzle. He's considering making the app I wrote to run his business into a commercial app. Any ideas? MTIA Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software 858-259-4334 www.bchacc.com www.e-z-mrp.com Skype: rocky.smolin From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Tue Aug 6 19:58:22 2013 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Wed, 07 Aug 2013 10:58:22 +1000 Subject: [AccessD] Better Looking Buttons In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <52019BAE.6576.8437C44E@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Set the Picture property of the button to an image of your choice. Alternatively, make the buttons transparent and put them on top of an Image control. -- Stuart On 6 Aug 2013 at 17:35, Rocky Smolin wrote: > Dear List: > > A client writes: "I would like to try and make the various buttons more > three dimensional looking. Examples from Apple are in Exhibit K. Can we do > something like this?" > > He's looking to give the command buttons a little sizzle. He's considering > making the app I wrote to run his business into a commercial app. > > Any ideas? > > MTIA > > Rocky Smolin > Beach Access Software > 858-259-4334 > www.bchacc.com > www.e-z-mrp.com > Skype: rocky.smolin > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From jbartow at winhaven.net Tue Aug 6 20:08:27 2013 From: jbartow at winhaven.net (John R Bartow) Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2013 20:08:27 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Better Looking Buttons In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <07a201ce930a$a025a220$e070e660$@winhaven.net> Yes, show him MS Office 2013's new UI and its flat appearance. It is how everything will start looking so might as well jump on that bandwagon. jb -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: Tuesday, August 06, 2013 7:35 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: [AccessD] Better Looking Buttons Dear List: A client writes: "I would like to try and make the various buttons more three dimensional looking. Examples from Apple are in Exhibit K. Can we do something like this?" He's looking to give the command buttons a little sizzle. He's considering making the app I wrote to run his business into a commercial app. Any ideas? MTIA Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software 858-259-4334 www.bchacc.com www.e-z-mrp.com Skype: rocky.smolin -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au Tue Aug 6 20:32:39 2013 From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins) Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2013 01:32:39 +0000 Subject: [AccessD] Better Looking Buttons In-Reply-To: <52019BAE.6576.8437C44E@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: <52019BAE.6576.8437C44E@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: Yep, this is what I do. I use graphics either from Google or provided to me by the client. Having some understanding of how to use Photoshop/GIMP, alpha channels et al is useful as often the client will want a different colour set than is provided in the graphic, especially if it is, ummm, borrowed, from Google. MS Access built in form buttons are pretty naff these days. Very 1994 in style. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan Sent: Wednesday, 7 August 2013 10:58 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Better Looking Buttons Set the Picture property of the button to an image of your choice. Alternatively, make the buttons transparent and put them on top of an Image control. -- Stuart On 6 Aug 2013 at 17:35, Rocky Smolin wrote: > Dear List: > > A client writes: "I would like to try and make the various buttons > more three dimensional looking. Examples from Apple are in Exhibit K. > Can we do something like this?" > > He's looking to give the command buttons a little sizzle. He's > considering making the app I wrote to run his business into a commercial app. > > Any ideas? > > MTIA > > Rocky Smolin > Beach Access Software > 858-259-4334 > www.bchacc.com www.e-z-mrp.com > > Skype: rocky.smolin > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Tue Aug 6 22:50:32 2013 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2013 20:50:32 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Better Looking Buttons In-Reply-To: <52019BAE.6576.8437C44E@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: <52019BAE.6576.8437C44E@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: Actually, the text in the button needs to stay there - a picture won't do. There are many command buttons in this app. I think what he wants is a consistent looking but attractive button. R -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan Sent: Tuesday, August 06, 2013 5:58 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Better Looking Buttons Set the Picture property of the button to an image of your choice. Alternatively, make the buttons transparent and put them on top of an Image control. -- Stuart On 6 Aug 2013 at 17:35, Rocky Smolin wrote: > Dear List: > > A client writes: "I would like to try and make the various buttons > more three dimensional looking. Examples from Apple are in Exhibit K. > Can we do something like this?" > > He's looking to give the command buttons a little sizzle. He's > considering making the app I wrote to run his business into a commercial app. > > Any ideas? > > MTIA > > Rocky Smolin > Beach Access Software > 858-259-4334 > www.bchacc.com www.e-z-mrp.com > > Skype: rocky.smolin > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Tue Aug 6 22:51:57 2013 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2013 20:51:57 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Better Looking Buttons In-Reply-To: <07a201ce930a$a025a220$e070e660$@winhaven.net> References: <07a201ce930a$a025a220$e070e660$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: <6459F4B51C33424E9EDD1CAC2A93E9F1@HAL9007> That would make life so much easier. For me. R -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John R Bartow Sent: Tuesday, August 06, 2013 6:08 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Better Looking Buttons Yes, show him MS Office 2013's new UI and its flat appearance. It is how everything will start looking so might as well jump on that bandwagon. jb -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: Tuesday, August 06, 2013 7:35 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: [AccessD] Better Looking Buttons Dear List: A client writes: "I would like to try and make the various buttons more three dimensional looking. Examples from Apple are in Exhibit K. Can we do something like this?" He's looking to give the command buttons a little sizzle. He's considering making the app I wrote to run his business into a commercial app. Any ideas? MTIA Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software 858-259-4334 www.bchacc.com www.e-z-mrp.com Skype: rocky.smolin -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From steve at datamanagementsolutions.biz Wed Aug 7 00:02:21 2013 From: steve at datamanagementsolutions.biz (Steve Schapel) Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2013 17:02:21 +1200 Subject: [AccessD] Better Looking Buttons In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5275ED0C0B574D56A4FB9A7F6C836790@stevelaptop> Rocky Has he actually played around with the built-in options available, e.g... - option to have caption as well as picture; - different shapes for command buttons; - coloured button borders; - shadow / glow / bevel special effects; - background gradients; - hover/pressed colour options. etc. It is surprising that he can't find something he finds sizzly! Regards Steve -----Original Message----- From: Rocky Smolin Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2013 12:35 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: [AccessD] Better Looking Buttons Dear List: A client writes: "I would like to try and make the various buttons more three dimensional looking. Examples from Apple are in Exhibit K. Can we do something like this?" He's looking to give the command buttons a little sizzle. He's considering making the app I wrote to run his business into a commercial app. Any ideas? MTIA Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software 858-259-4334 www.bchacc.com www.e-z-mrp.com Skype: rocky.smolin -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au Wed Aug 7 00:52:46 2013 From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins) Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2013 05:52:46 +0000 Subject: [AccessD] Better Looking Buttons In-Reply-To: References: <52019BAE.6576.8437C44E@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <810e9c4ae435485892c14ac16b14cad7@SIXPR04MB048.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com> Again, this can all be done using a dedicated graphic program such as GIMP. Much nicer looking and easy enough to change the text. The beauty of this method is you can use the clients own colour / logos / font and style to make up the controls and you get a lot of flexibility on sizes / shapes / look and feel etc. Anyway... Maybe it is not your thing. But worth a look. Cheers Darryl. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: Wednesday, 7 August 2013 1:51 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Better Looking Buttons Actually, the text in the button needs to stay there - a picture won't do. There are many command buttons in this app. I think what he wants is a consistent looking but attractive button. R -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan Sent: Tuesday, August 06, 2013 5:58 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Better Looking Buttons Set the Picture property of the button to an image of your choice. Alternatively, make the buttons transparent and put them on top of an Image control. -- Stuart On 6 Aug 2013 at 17:35, Rocky Smolin wrote: > Dear List: > > A client writes: "I would like to try and make the various buttons > more three dimensional looking. Examples from Apple are in Exhibit K. > Can we do something like this?" > > He's looking to give the command buttons a little sizzle. He's > considering making the app I wrote to run his business into a > commercial app. > > Any ideas? > > MTIA > > Rocky Smolin > Beach Access Software > 858-259-4334 > www.bchacc.com www.e-z-mrp.com > > Skype: rocky.smolin > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Wed Aug 7 00:55:34 2013 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2013 22:55:34 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Better Looking Buttons In-Reply-To: <5275ED0C0B574D56A4FB9A7F6C836790@stevelaptop> References: <5275ED0C0B574D56A4FB9A7F6C836790@stevelaptop> Message-ID: <14036E83BEC24875A5FC302D351CC802@HAL9007> I don't think he knows where to look. Also I am developing in 2003 so my options may be more limited than in 2010 or 2013. R -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Schapel Sent: Tuesday, August 06, 2013 10:02 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Better Looking Buttons Rocky Has he actually played around with the built-in options available, e.g... - option to have caption as well as picture; - different shapes for command buttons; - coloured button borders; - shadow / glow / bevel special effects; - background gradients; - hover/pressed colour options. etc. It is surprising that he can't find something he finds sizzly! Regards Steve -----Original Message----- From: Rocky Smolin Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2013 12:35 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: [AccessD] Better Looking Buttons Dear List: A client writes: "I would like to try and make the various buttons more three dimensional looking. Examples from Apple are in Exhibit K. Can we do something like this?" He's looking to give the command buttons a little sizzle. He's considering making the app I wrote to run his business into a commercial app. Any ideas? MTIA Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software 858-259-4334 www.bchacc.com www.e-z-mrp.com Skype: rocky.smolin -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Wed Aug 7 00:56:13 2013 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2013 22:56:13 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Better Looking Buttons In-Reply-To: <810e9c4ae435485892c14ac16b14cad7@SIXPR04MB048.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com> References: <52019BAE.6576.8437C44E@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <810e9c4ae435485892c14ac16b14cad7@SIXPR04MB048.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com> Message-ID: GIMP - I've heard about it but never had a need for it before. I'll check it out. R -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darryl Collins Sent: Tuesday, August 06, 2013 10:53 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Better Looking Buttons Again, this can all be done using a dedicated graphic program such as GIMP. Much nicer looking and easy enough to change the text. The beauty of this method is you can use the clients own colour / logos / font and style to make up the controls and you get a lot of flexibility on sizes / shapes / look and feel etc. Anyway... Maybe it is not your thing. But worth a look. Cheers Darryl. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: Wednesday, 7 August 2013 1:51 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Better Looking Buttons Actually, the text in the button needs to stay there - a picture won't do. There are many command buttons in this app. I think what he wants is a consistent looking but attractive button. R -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan Sent: Tuesday, August 06, 2013 5:58 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Better Looking Buttons Set the Picture property of the button to an image of your choice. Alternatively, make the buttons transparent and put them on top of an Image control. -- Stuart On 6 Aug 2013 at 17:35, Rocky Smolin wrote: > Dear List: > > A client writes: "I would like to try and make the various buttons > more three dimensional looking. Examples from Apple are in Exhibit K. > Can we do something like this?" > > He's looking to give the command buttons a little sizzle. He's > considering making the app I wrote to run his business into a > commercial app. > > Any ideas? > > MTIA > > Rocky Smolin > Beach Access Software > 858-259-4334 > www.bchacc.com www.e-z-mrp.com > > Skype: rocky.smolin > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From steve at datamanagementsolutions.biz Wed Aug 7 01:07:27 2013 From: steve at datamanagementsolutions.biz (Steve Schapel) Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2013 18:07:27 +1200 Subject: [AccessD] Better Looking Buttons In-Reply-To: <14036E83BEC24875A5FC302D351CC802@HAL9007> References: <5275ED0C0B574D56A4FB9A7F6C836790@stevelaptop> <14036E83BEC24875A5FC302D351CC802@HAL9007> Message-ID: <718E09B5ADE84D0E9D6AA1E9F78077BB@stevelaptop> Hi Rocky Oh. Sorry, making assumptions - I guess when you mentioned commercial app, that would imply up-to-date Access version. Well, most of those features I mentioned are easily found under Control Formatting on the Format tab of the from design ribbon. And you can do some pretty cool things. Regards Steve -----Original Message----- From: Rocky Smolin Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2013 5:55 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Better Looking Buttons I don't think he knows where to look. Also I am developing in 2003 so my options may be more limited than in 2010 or 2013. R -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Schapel Sent: Tuesday, August 06, 2013 10:02 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Better Looking Buttons Rocky Has he actually played around with the built-in options available, e.g... - option to have caption as well as picture; - different shapes for command buttons; - coloured button borders; - shadow / glow / bevel special effects; - background gradients; - hover/pressed colour options. etc. It is surprising that he can't find something he finds sizzly! Regards Steve -----Original Message----- From: Rocky Smolin Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2013 12:35 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: [AccessD] Better Looking Buttons Dear List: A client writes: "I would like to try and make the various buttons more three dimensional looking. Examples from Apple are in Exhibit K. Can we do something like this?" He's looking to give the command buttons a little sizzle. He's considering making the app I wrote to run his business into a commercial app. Any ideas? MTIA Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software 858-259-4334 www.bchacc.com www.e-z-mrp.com Skype: rocky.smolin -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From gustav at cactus.dk Wed Aug 7 04:36:48 2013 From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2013 11:36:48 +0200 Subject: [AccessD] Better Looking Buttons Message-ID: <002c01ce9351$a3b2ef50$eb18cdf0$@cactus.dk> Hi Rocky Except if your current buttons are ugly, which I guess not, you should advise him to spend his limited time on more important things - items that will raise productivity for example. Users want neat not fancy design, and 3D buttons are so much yesterday - like those of Access 1.x and 2.0. Even Apple with their revised UI design for the next iPhone knows this. I still recall the ugly standard buttons Borland came up with in Delphi ... those with a big green checkmark and a big red cross cartoon-style overlay for the OK and Cancel buttons. /gustav -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Rocky Smolin Sendt: 7. august 2013 02:35 Til: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Emne: [AccessD] Better Looking Buttons Dear List: A client writes: "I would like to try and make the various buttons more three dimensional looking. Examples from Apple are in Exhibit K. Can we do something like this?" He's looking to give the command buttons a little sizzle. He's considering making the app I wrote to run his business into a commercial app. Any ideas? MTIA Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software 858-259-4334 www.bchacc.com www.e-z-mrp.com Skype: rocky.smolin From fuller.artful at gmail.com Wed Aug 7 07:03:03 2013 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2013 08:03:03 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Better Looking Buttons In-Reply-To: <002c01ce9351$a3b2ef50$eb18cdf0$@cactus.dk> References: <002c01ce9351$a3b2ef50$eb18cdf0$@cactus.dk> Message-ID: You are right about that Gustav! I have tended to go for the "URL-like" path in recent apps, and it seems to work. Users surf the net constantly and the more they surf, the better they appreciate my efforts to resemble that experience. Speaking of which, you have to check out the trial of Alpha Anywhere. This is the killer app for multi-platform (desk, web, tablet, phone) development. You can get a trial at alphasoftware.com. I think there is no better development platform than this. On Wed, Aug 7, 2013 at 5:36 AM, Gustav Brock wrote: > Hi Rocky > > Except if your current buttons are ugly, which I guess not, you should > advise him to spend his limited time on more important things - items that > will raise productivity for example. > Users want neat not fancy design, and 3D buttons are so much yesterday - > like those of Access 1.x and 2.0. Even Apple with their revised UI design > for the next iPhone knows this. > > I still recall the ugly standard buttons Borland came up with in Delphi ... > those with a big green checkmark and a big red cross cartoon-style overlay > for the OK and Cancel buttons. > > /gustav > > -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- > Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Rocky Smolin > Sendt: 7. august 2013 02:35 > Til: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > Emne: [AccessD] Better Looking Buttons > > Dear List: > > A client writes: "I would like to try and make the various buttons more > three dimensional looking. Examples from Apple are in Exhibit K. Can we > do > something like this?" > > He's looking to give the command buttons a little sizzle. He's considering > making the app I wrote to run his business into a commercial app. > > Any ideas? > > MTIA > > Rocky Smolin > Beach Access Software > 858-259-4334 > www.bchacc.com www.e-z-mrp.com > > Skype: rocky.smolin > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Arthur Cell: 647.710.1314 Prediction is difficult, especially of the future. -- Niels Bohr From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Wed Aug 7 07:46:11 2013 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2013 05:46:11 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Better Looking Buttons In-Reply-To: <718E09B5ADE84D0E9D6AA1E9F78077BB@stevelaptop> References: <5275ED0C0B574D56A4FB9A7F6C836790@stevelaptop><14036E83BEC24875A5FC302D351CC802@HAL9007> <718E09B5ADE84D0E9D6AA1E9F78077BB@stevelaptop> Message-ID: SO it may be time to upgrade. I have 2010 but don't use it. Learning where they put things is a PITA and some of my clients are still on 2003. So I have to design for the lowest denominator. I also find that 2010 runs much slower than 2003. Anyone have that experience? Rocky -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Schapel Sent: Tuesday, August 06, 2013 11:07 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Better Looking Buttons Hi Rocky Oh. Sorry, making assumptions - I guess when you mentioned commercial app, that would imply up-to-date Access version. Well, most of those features I mentioned are easily found under Control Formatting on the Format tab of the from design ribbon. And you can do some pretty cool things. Regards Steve -----Original Message----- From: Rocky Smolin Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2013 5:55 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Better Looking Buttons I don't think he knows where to look. Also I am developing in 2003 so my options may be more limited than in 2010 or 2013. R -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Schapel Sent: Tuesday, August 06, 2013 10:02 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Better Looking Buttons Rocky Has he actually played around with the built-in options available, e.g... - option to have caption as well as picture; - different shapes for command buttons; - coloured button borders; - shadow / glow / bevel special effects; - background gradients; - hover/pressed colour options. etc. It is surprising that he can't find something he finds sizzly! Regards Steve -----Original Message----- From: Rocky Smolin Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2013 12:35 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: [AccessD] Better Looking Buttons Dear List: A client writes: "I would like to try and make the various buttons more three dimensional looking. Examples from Apple are in Exhibit K. Can we do something like this?" He's looking to give the command buttons a little sizzle. He's considering making the app I wrote to run his business into a commercial app. Any ideas? MTIA Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software 858-259-4334 www.bchacc.com www.e-z-mrp.com Skype: rocky.smolin -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Wed Aug 7 07:52:05 2013 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2013 05:52:05 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Better Looking Buttons In-Reply-To: <002c01ce9351$a3b2ef50$eb18cdf0$@cactus.dk> References: <002c01ce9351$a3b2ef50$eb18cdf0$@cactus.dk> Message-ID: <97200E44826E4393947C1C43B73252B6@HAL9007> Gustav: Thanks for that. Will forward. I agree. His idea is to get 10-20 users and then get the package acquired. So it's a hit-and-run kind of strategy. So spending resources on steak versus sizzle is probably the right thing. Rocky -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2013 2:37 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Better Looking Buttons Hi Rocky Except if your current buttons are ugly, which I guess not, you should advise him to spend his limited time on more important things - items that will raise productivity for example. Users want neat not fancy design, and 3D buttons are so much yesterday - like those of Access 1.x and 2.0. Even Apple with their revised UI design for the next iPhone knows this. I still recall the ugly standard buttons Borland came up with in Delphi ... those with a big green checkmark and a big red cross cartoon-style overlay for the OK and Cancel buttons. /gustav -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Rocky Smolin Sendt: 7. august 2013 02:35 Til: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Emne: [AccessD] Better Looking Buttons Dear List: A client writes: "I would like to try and make the various buttons more three dimensional looking. Examples from Apple are in Exhibit K. Can we do something like this?" He's looking to give the command buttons a little sizzle. He's considering making the app I wrote to run his business into a commercial app. Any ideas? MTIA Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software 858-259-4334 www.bchacc.com www.e-z-mrp.com Skype: rocky.smolin -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From davidmcafee at gmail.com Wed Aug 7 09:06:43 2013 From: davidmcafee at gmail.com (David McAfee) Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2013 07:06:43 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Better Looking Buttons In-Reply-To: <14036E83BEC24875A5FC302D351CC802@HAL9007> References: <5275ED0C0B574D56A4FB9A7F6C836790@stevelaptop> <14036E83BEC24875A5FC302D351CC802@HAL9007> Message-ID: I had an A97 db that used pictures as menu items. Very easy to do. I'll see if I can dig it up. There are also free online button creators that you can use. On Aug 6, 2013 10:56 PM, "Rocky Smolin" wrote: > I don't think he knows where to look. Also I am developing in 2003 so my > options may be more limited than in 2010 or 2013. > > R > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Schapel > Sent: Tuesday, August 06, 2013 10:02 PM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Better Looking Buttons > > Rocky > > Has he actually played around with the built-in options available, e.g... > - option to have caption as well as picture; > - different shapes for command buttons; > - coloured button borders; > - shadow / glow / bevel special effects; > - background gradients; > - hover/pressed colour options. > etc. > > It is surprising that he can't find something he finds sizzly! > > Regards > Steve > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rocky Smolin > Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2013 12:35 PM > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > Subject: [AccessD] Better Looking Buttons > > Dear List: > > A client writes: "I would like to try and make the various buttons more > three dimensional looking. Examples from Apple are in Exhibit K. Can we > do > something like this?" > > He's looking to give the command buttons a little sizzle. He's considering > making the app I wrote to run his business into a commercial app. > > Any ideas? > > MTIA > > Rocky Smolin > Beach Access Software > 858-259-4334 > www.bchacc.com > www.e-z-mrp.com > Skype: rocky.smolin > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From jbartow at winhaven.net Wed Aug 7 11:05:59 2013 From: jbartow at winhaven.net (John R Bartow) Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2013 11:05:59 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Better Looking Buttons In-Reply-To: References: <002c01ce9351$a3b2ef50$eb18cdf0$@cactus.dk> Message-ID: <08b101ce9388$0373a930$0a5afb90$@winhaven.net> Arthur, Good job! I've had a client ask me to upgrade an app "so its work like a browser does". jb -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2013 7:03 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Better Looking Buttons You are right about that Gustav! I have tended to go for the "URL-like" path in recent apps, and it seems to work. Users surf the net constantly and the more they surf, the better they appreciate my efforts to resemble that experience. Speaking of which, you have to check out the trial of Alpha Anywhere. This is the killer app for multi-platform (desk, web, tablet, phone) development. You can get a trial at alphasoftware.com. I think there is no better development platform than this. On Wed, Aug 7, 2013 at 5:36 AM, Gustav Brock wrote: > Hi Rocky > > Except if your current buttons are ugly, which I guess not, you should > advise him to spend his limited time on more important things - items > that will raise productivity for example. > Users want neat not fancy design, and 3D buttons are so much yesterday > - like those of Access 1.x and 2.0. Even Apple with their revised UI > design for the next iPhone knows this. > > I still recall the ugly standard buttons Borland came up with in Delphi ... > those with a big green checkmark and a big red cross cartoon-style > overlay for the OK and Cancel buttons. > > /gustav > > -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- > Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Rocky Smolin > Sendt: 7. august 2013 02:35 > Til: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > Emne: [AccessD] Better Looking Buttons > > Dear List: > > A client writes: "I would like to try and make the various buttons > more three dimensional looking. Examples from Apple are in Exhibit K. > Can we do something like this?" > > He's looking to give the command buttons a little sizzle. He's > considering making the app I wrote to run his business into a commercial app. > > Any ideas? > > MTIA > > Rocky Smolin > Beach Access Software > 858-259-4334 > www.bchacc.com www.e-z-mrp.com > > Skype: rocky.smolin > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Arthur Cell: 647.710.1314 Prediction is difficult, especially of the future. -- Niels Bohr -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Wed Aug 7 17:59:54 2013 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2013 15:59:54 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Better Looking Buttons In-Reply-To: <08b101ce9388$0373a930$0a5afb90$@winhaven.net> References: <002c01ce9351$a3b2ef50$eb18cdf0$@cactus.dk> <08b101ce9388$0373a930$0a5afb90$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: I've got a full Alpha as well as Basic 4 Android. If I wanted to develop a fairly simple app, no database, to deploy on tablet and phone, which one would be best to learn? R -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John R Bartow Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2013 9:06 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Better Looking Buttons Arthur, Good job! I've had a client ask me to upgrade an app "so its work like a browser does". jb -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2013 7:03 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Better Looking Buttons You are right about that Gustav! I have tended to go for the "URL-like" path in recent apps, and it seems to work. Users surf the net constantly and the more they surf, the better they appreciate my efforts to resemble that experience. Speaking of which, you have to check out the trial of Alpha Anywhere. This is the killer app for multi-platform (desk, web, tablet, phone) development. You can get a trial at alphasoftware.com. I think there is no better development platform than this. On Wed, Aug 7, 2013 at 5:36 AM, Gustav Brock wrote: > Hi Rocky > > Except if your current buttons are ugly, which I guess not, you should > advise him to spend his limited time on more important things - items > that will raise productivity for example. > Users want neat not fancy design, and 3D buttons are so much yesterday > - like those of Access 1.x and 2.0. Even Apple with their revised UI > design for the next iPhone knows this. > > I still recall the ugly standard buttons Borland came up with in > Delphi ... > those with a big green checkmark and a big red cross cartoon-style > overlay for the OK and Cancel buttons. > > /gustav > > -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- > Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Rocky Smolin > Sendt: 7. august 2013 02:35 > Til: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > Emne: [AccessD] Better Looking Buttons > > Dear List: > > A client writes: "I would like to try and make the various buttons > more three dimensional looking. Examples from Apple are in Exhibit K. > Can we do something like this?" > > He's looking to give the command buttons a little sizzle. He's > considering making the app I wrote to run his business into a > commercial app. > > Any ideas? > > MTIA > > Rocky Smolin > Beach Access Software > 858-259-4334 > www.bchacc.com www.e-z-mrp.com > > Skype: rocky.smolin > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Arthur Cell: 647.710.1314 Prediction is difficult, especially of the future. -- Niels Bohr -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jbartow at winhaven.net Wed Aug 7 18:23:41 2013 From: jbartow at winhaven.net (John R Bartow) Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2013 18:23:41 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Better Looking Buttons In-Reply-To: References: <002c01ce9351$a3b2ef50$eb18cdf0$@cactus.dk> <08b101ce9388$0373a930$0a5afb90$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: <098301ce93c5$27dfc5a0$779f50e0$@winhaven.net> Were I you, I'd go with a woodwind next ;-) -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2013 6:00 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Better Looking Buttons I've got a full Alpha as well as Basic 4 Android. If I wanted to develop a fairly simple app, no database, to deploy on tablet and phone, which one would be best to learn? R -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John R Bartow Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2013 9:06 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Better Looking Buttons Arthur, Good job! I've had a client ask me to upgrade an app "so its work like a browser does". jb -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2013 7:03 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Better Looking Buttons You are right about that Gustav! I have tended to go for the "URL-like" path in recent apps, and it seems to work. Users surf the net constantly and the more they surf, the better they appreciate my efforts to resemble that experience. Speaking of which, you have to check out the trial of Alpha Anywhere. This is the killer app for multi-platform (desk, web, tablet, phone) development. You can get a trial at alphasoftware.com. I think there is no better development platform than this. On Wed, Aug 7, 2013 at 5:36 AM, Gustav Brock wrote: > Hi Rocky > > Except if your current buttons are ugly, which I guess not, you should > advise him to spend his limited time on more important things - items > that will raise productivity for example. > Users want neat not fancy design, and 3D buttons are so much yesterday > - like those of Access 1.x and 2.0. Even Apple with their revised UI > design for the next iPhone knows this. > > I still recall the ugly standard buttons Borland came up with in > Delphi ... > those with a big green checkmark and a big red cross cartoon-style > overlay for the OK and Cancel buttons. > > /gustav > > -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- > Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Rocky Smolin > Sendt: 7. august 2013 02:35 > Til: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > Emne: [AccessD] Better Looking Buttons > > Dear List: > > A client writes: "I would like to try and make the various buttons > more three dimensional looking. Examples from Apple are in Exhibit K. > Can we do something like this?" > > He's looking to give the command buttons a little sizzle. He's > considering making the app I wrote to run his business into a > commercial app. > > Any ideas? > > MTIA > > Rocky Smolin > Beach Access Software > 858-259-4334 > www.bchacc.com www.e-z-mrp.com > > Skype: rocky.smolin > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Arthur Cell: 647.710.1314 Prediction is difficult, especially of the future. -- Niels Bohr -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Wed Aug 7 18:38:57 2013 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Thu, 08 Aug 2013 09:38:57 +1000 Subject: [AccessD] Better Looking Buttons In-Reply-To: <098301ce93c5$27dfc5a0$779f50e0$@winhaven.net> References: <002c01ce9351$a3b2ef50$eb18cdf0$@cactus.dk>, , <098301ce93c5$27dfc5a0$779f50e0$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: <5202DA91.20267.89156E9A@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> ROTFL. -- Stuart On 7 Aug 2013 at 18:23, John R Bartow wrote: > Were I you, I'd go with a woodwind next ;-) > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin > Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2013 6:00 PM > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Better Looking Buttons > > I've got a full Alpha as well as Basic 4 Android. If I wanted to develop a > fairly simple app, no database, to deploy on tablet and phone, which one > would be best to learn? > > R > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John R Bartow > Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2013 9:06 AM > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Better Looking Buttons > > Arthur, > Good job! I've had a client ask me to upgrade an app "so its work like a > browser does". > jb > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller > Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2013 7:03 AM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Better Looking Buttons > > You are right about that Gustav! I have tended to go for the "URL-like" > path in recent apps, and it seems to work. Users surf the net constantly and > the more they surf, the better they appreciate my efforts to resemble that > experience. > > Speaking of which, you have to check out the trial of Alpha Anywhere. This > is the killer app for multi-platform (desk, web, tablet, phone) development. > You can get a trial at alphasoftware.com. I think there is no better > development platform than this. > > > On Wed, Aug 7, 2013 at 5:36 AM, Gustav Brock wrote: > > > Hi Rocky > > > > Except if your current buttons are ugly, which I guess not, you should > > advise him to spend his limited time on more important things - items > > that will raise productivity for example. > > Users want neat not fancy design, and 3D buttons are so much yesterday > > - like those of Access 1.x and 2.0. Even Apple with their revised UI > > design for the next iPhone knows this. > > > > I still recall the ugly standard buttons Borland came up with in > > Delphi > ... > > those with a big green checkmark and a big red cross cartoon-style > > overlay for the OK and Cancel buttons. > > > > /gustav > > > > -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- > > Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Rocky Smolin > > Sendt: 7. august 2013 02:35 > > Til: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > > Emne: [AccessD] Better Looking Buttons > > > > Dear List: > > > > A client writes: "I would like to try and make the various buttons > > more three dimensional looking. Examples from Apple are in Exhibit K. > > Can we do something like this?" > > > > He's looking to give the command buttons a little sizzle. He's > > considering making the app I wrote to run his business into a > > commercial > app. > > > > Any ideas? > > > > MTIA > > > > Rocky Smolin > > Beach Access Software > > 858-259-4334 > > www.bchacc.com www.e-z-mrp.com > > > > Skype: rocky.smolin > > > > > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > -- > Arthur > Cell: 647.710.1314 > > Prediction is difficult, especially of the future. > -- Niels Bohr > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Wed Aug 7 18:38:57 2013 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Thu, 08 Aug 2013 09:38:57 +1000 Subject: [AccessD] Better Looking Buttons In-Reply-To: References: <002c01ce9351$a3b2ef50$eb18cdf0$@cactus.dk>, <08b101ce9388$0373a930$0a5afb90$@winhaven.net>, Message-ID: <5202DA91.27491.89156D91@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Depends on your target. Android only, I'd go with B4A. Android and iDevice, something else, don't know enough about the current Alpha to determine if it is a suitable choice for a non-data based app on both OSs. -- Stuart On 7 Aug 2013 at 15:59, Rocky Smolin wrote: > I've got a full Alpha as well as Basic 4 Android. If I wanted to develop a > fairly simple app, no database, to deploy on tablet and phone, which one > would be best to learn? > > R > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John R Bartow > Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2013 9:06 AM > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Better Looking Buttons > > Arthur, > Good job! I've had a client ask me to upgrade an app "so its work like a > browser does". > jb > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller > Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2013 7:03 AM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Better Looking Buttons > > You are right about that Gustav! I have tended to go for the "URL-like" > path in recent apps, and it seems to work. Users surf the net constantly and > the more they surf, the better they appreciate my efforts to resemble that > experience. > > Speaking of which, you have to check out the trial of Alpha Anywhere. This > is the killer app for multi-platform (desk, web, tablet, phone) development. > You can get a trial at alphasoftware.com. I think there is no better > development platform than this. > > > On Wed, Aug 7, 2013 at 5:36 AM, Gustav Brock wrote: > > > Hi Rocky > > > > Except if your current buttons are ugly, which I guess not, you should > > advise him to spend his limited time on more important things - items > > that will raise productivity for example. > > Users want neat not fancy design, and 3D buttons are so much yesterday > > - like those of Access 1.x and 2.0. Even Apple with their revised UI > > design for the next iPhone knows this. > > > > I still recall the ugly standard buttons Borland came up with in > > Delphi > ... > > those with a big green checkmark and a big red cross cartoon-style > > overlay for the OK and Cancel buttons. > > > > /gustav > > > > -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- > > Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Rocky Smolin > > Sendt: 7. august 2013 02:35 > > Til: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > > Emne: [AccessD] Better Looking Buttons > > > > Dear List: > > > > A client writes: "I would like to try and make the various buttons > > more three dimensional looking. Examples from Apple are in Exhibit K. > > Can we do something like this?" > > > > He's looking to give the command buttons a little sizzle. He's > > considering making the app I wrote to run his business into a > > commercial > app. > > > > Any ideas? > > > > MTIA > > > > Rocky Smolin > > Beach Access Software > > 858-259-4334 > > www.bchacc.com www.e-z-mrp.com > > > > Skype: rocky.smolin > > > > > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > -- > Arthur > Cell: 647.710.1314 > > Prediction is difficult, especially of the future. > -- Niels Bohr > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From dw-murphy at cox.net Wed Aug 7 21:18:29 2013 From: dw-murphy at cox.net (Doug Murphy) Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2013 19:18:29 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Better Looking Buttons In-Reply-To: <9zhB1m01n0xgD8Z01zhHMG> References: <002c01ce9351$a3b2ef50$eb18cdf0$@cactus.dk>, <08b101ce9388$0373a930$0a5afb90$@winhaven.net>, <9zhB1m01n0xgD8Z01zhHMG> Message-ID: <00a401ce93dd$928e0700$b7aa1500$@cox.net> MS LightSwitch? Creates HTML 5 and Java script apps that run on any os. Would depend on what your objectives are, but hosting can be cheap. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2013 4:39 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Better Looking Buttons Depends on your target. Android only, I'd go with B4A. Android and iDevice, something else, don't know enough about the current Alpha to determine if it is a suitable choice for a non-data based app on both OSs. -- Stuart On 7 Aug 2013 at 15:59, Rocky Smolin wrote: > I've got a full Alpha as well as Basic 4 Android. If I wanted to develop a > fairly simple app, no database, to deploy on tablet and phone, which one > would be best to learn? > > R > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John R Bartow > Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2013 9:06 AM > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Better Looking Buttons > > Arthur, > Good job! I've had a client ask me to upgrade an app "so its work like a > browser does". > jb > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller > Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2013 7:03 AM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Better Looking Buttons > > You are right about that Gustav! I have tended to go for the "URL-like" > path in recent apps, and it seems to work. Users surf the net constantly and > the more they surf, the better they appreciate my efforts to resemble that > experience. > > Speaking of which, you have to check out the trial of Alpha Anywhere. This > is the killer app for multi-platform (desk, web, tablet, phone) development. > You can get a trial at alphasoftware.com. I think there is no better > development platform than this. > > > On Wed, Aug 7, 2013 at 5:36 AM, Gustav Brock wrote: > > > Hi Rocky > > > > Except if your current buttons are ugly, which I guess not, you should > > advise him to spend his limited time on more important things - items > > that will raise productivity for example. > > Users want neat not fancy design, and 3D buttons are so much yesterday > > - like those of Access 1.x and 2.0. Even Apple with their revised UI > > design for the next iPhone knows this. > > > > I still recall the ugly standard buttons Borland came up with in > > Delphi > ... > > those with a big green checkmark and a big red cross cartoon-style > > overlay for the OK and Cancel buttons. > > > > /gustav > > > > -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- > > Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Rocky Smolin > > Sendt: 7. august 2013 02:35 > > Til: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > > Emne: [AccessD] Better Looking Buttons > > > > Dear List: > > > > A client writes: "I would like to try and make the various buttons > > more three dimensional looking. Examples from Apple are in Exhibit K. > > Can we do something like this?" > > > > He's looking to give the command buttons a little sizzle. He's > > considering making the app I wrote to run his business into a > > commercial > app. > > > > Any ideas? > > > > MTIA > > > > Rocky Smolin > > Beach Access Software > > 858-259-4334 > > www.bchacc.com www.e-z-mrp.com > > > > Skype: rocky.smolin > > > > > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > -- > Arthur > Cell: 647.710.1314 > > Prediction is difficult, especially of the future. > -- Niels Bohr > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Wed Aug 7 23:21:53 2013 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2013 21:21:53 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Better Looking Buttons In-Reply-To: <098301ce93c5$27dfc5a0$779f50e0$@winhaven.net> References: <002c01ce9351$a3b2ef50$eb18cdf0$@cactus.dk> <08b101ce9388$0373a930$0a5afb90$@winhaven.net> <098301ce93c5$27dfc5a0$779f50e0$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: OK - that's the kind of advice I was looking for. I wanted to go for tuba, but it went with a divorce so I dropped that idea. R -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John R Bartow Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2013 4:24 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Better Looking Buttons Were I you, I'd go with a woodwind next ;-) -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2013 6:00 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Better Looking Buttons I've got a full Alpha as well as Basic 4 Android. If I wanted to develop a fairly simple app, no database, to deploy on tablet and phone, which one would be best to learn? R -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John R Bartow Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2013 9:06 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Better Looking Buttons Arthur, Good job! I've had a client ask me to upgrade an app "so its work like a browser does". jb -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2013 7:03 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Better Looking Buttons You are right about that Gustav! I have tended to go for the "URL-like" path in recent apps, and it seems to work. Users surf the net constantly and the more they surf, the better they appreciate my efforts to resemble that experience. Speaking of which, you have to check out the trial of Alpha Anywhere. This is the killer app for multi-platform (desk, web, tablet, phone) development. You can get a trial at alphasoftware.com. I think there is no better development platform than this. On Wed, Aug 7, 2013 at 5:36 AM, Gustav Brock wrote: > Hi Rocky > > Except if your current buttons are ugly, which I guess not, you should > advise him to spend his limited time on more important things - items > that will raise productivity for example. > Users want neat not fancy design, and 3D buttons are so much yesterday > - like those of Access 1.x and 2.0. Even Apple with their revised UI > design for the next iPhone knows this. > > I still recall the ugly standard buttons Borland came up with in > Delphi ... > those with a big green checkmark and a big red cross cartoon-style > overlay for the OK and Cancel buttons. > > /gustav > > -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- > Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Rocky Smolin > Sendt: 7. august 2013 02:35 > Til: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > Emne: [AccessD] Better Looking Buttons > > Dear List: > > A client writes: "I would like to try and make the various buttons > more three dimensional looking. Examples from Apple are in Exhibit K. > Can we do something like this?" > > He's looking to give the command buttons a little sizzle. He's > considering making the app I wrote to run his business into a > commercial app. > > Any ideas? > > MTIA > > Rocky Smolin > Beach Access Software > 858-259-4334 > www.bchacc.com www.e-z-mrp.com > > Skype: rocky.smolin > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Arthur Cell: 647.710.1314 Prediction is difficult, especially of the future. -- Niels Bohr -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From TSeptav at Uniserve.com Thu Aug 8 10:41:38 2013 From: TSeptav at Uniserve.com (Tony Septav) Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2013 10:41:38 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Better Looking Buttons In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <201308081541.r78FfiT4013038@databaseadvisors.com> Hey Rocky I bought into Alpha Five and everything Arthur has said is true, it blows the socks off of Access (what ever version). The only problem I find with the company, is once they have you hooked they want you to upgrade to their new products at a "price". I have seen this before and I do not like it. Tony Septav Nanaimo, BC Canada -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: August-07-13 11:22 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Better Looking Buttons OK - that's the kind of advice I was looking for. I wanted to go for tuba, but it went with a divorce so I dropped that idea. R -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John R Bartow Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2013 4:24 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Better Looking Buttons Were I you, I'd go with a woodwind next ;-) -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2013 6:00 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Better Looking Buttons I've got a full Alpha as well as Basic 4 Android. If I wanted to develop a fairly simple app, no database, to deploy on tablet and phone, which one would be best to learn? R -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John R Bartow Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2013 9:06 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Better Looking Buttons Arthur, Good job! I've had a client ask me to upgrade an app "so its work like a browser does". jb -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2013 7:03 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Better Looking Buttons You are right about that Gustav! I have tended to go for the "URL-like" path in recent apps, and it seems to work. Users surf the net constantly and the more they surf, the better they appreciate my efforts to resemble that experience. Speaking of which, you have to check out the trial of Alpha Anywhere. This is the killer app for multi-platform (desk, web, tablet, phone) development. You can get a trial at alphasoftware.com. I think there is no better development platform than this. On Wed, Aug 7, 2013 at 5:36 AM, Gustav Brock wrote: > Hi Rocky > > Except if your current buttons are ugly, which I guess not, you should > advise him to spend his limited time on more important things - items > that will raise productivity for example. > Users want neat not fancy design, and 3D buttons are so much yesterday > - like those of Access 1.x and 2.0. Even Apple with their revised UI > design for the next iPhone knows this. > > I still recall the ugly standard buttons Borland came up with in > Delphi ... > those with a big green checkmark and a big red cross cartoon-style > overlay for the OK and Cancel buttons. > > /gustav > > -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- > Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Rocky Smolin > Sendt: 7. august 2013 02:35 > Til: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > Emne: [AccessD] Better Looking Buttons > > Dear List: > > A client writes: "I would like to try and make the various buttons > more three dimensional looking. Examples from Apple are in Exhibit K. > Can we do something like this?" > > He's looking to give the command buttons a little sizzle. He's > considering making the app I wrote to run his business into a > commercial app. > > Any ideas? > > MTIA > > Rocky Smolin > Beach Access Software > 858-259-4334 > www.bchacc.com www.e-z-mrp.com > > Skype: rocky.smolin > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Arthur Cell: 647.710.1314 Prediction is difficult, especially of the future. -- Niels Bohr -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.3392 / Virus Database: 3209/6558 - Release Date: 08/07/13 From fuller.artful at gmail.com Thu Aug 8 11:12:59 2013 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2013 12:12:59 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Better Looking Buttons In-Reply-To: <201308081541.r78FfiT4013038@databaseadvisors.com> References: <201308081541.r78FfiT4013038@databaseadvisors.com> Message-ID: Then let Richard and Selwyn know how you feel, Tony. That's the best advice I can offer. Incidentally, I am forwarding your message to them. Arthur On Thu, Aug 8, 2013 at 11:41 AM, Tony Septav wrote: > Hey Rocky > I bought into Alpha Five and everything Arthur has said is true, it blows > the socks off of Access (what ever version). The only problem I find with > the company, is once they have you hooked they want you to upgrade to their > new products at a "price". I have seen this before and I do not like it. > > Tony Septav > Nanaimo, BC > Canada > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin > Sent: August-07-13 11:22 PM > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Better Looking Buttons > > OK - that's the kind of advice I was looking for. I wanted to go for tuba, > but it went with a divorce so I dropped that idea. > > R > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John R Bartow > Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2013 4:24 PM > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Better Looking Buttons > > Were I you, I'd go with a woodwind next ;-) > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin > Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2013 6:00 PM > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Better Looking Buttons > > I've got a full Alpha as well as Basic 4 Android. If I wanted to develop a > fairly simple app, no database, to deploy on tablet and phone, which one > would be best to learn? > > R > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John R Bartow > Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2013 9:06 AM > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Better Looking Buttons > > Arthur, > Good job! I've had a client ask me to upgrade an app "so its work like a > browser does". > jb > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller > Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2013 7:03 AM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Better Looking Buttons > > You are right about that Gustav! I have tended to go for the "URL-like" > path in recent apps, and it seems to work. Users surf the net constantly > and > the more they surf, the better they appreciate my efforts to resemble that > experience. > > Speaking of which, you have to check out the trial of Alpha Anywhere. This > is the killer app for multi-platform (desk, web, tablet, phone) > development. > You can get a trial at alphasoftware.com. I think there is no better > development platform than this. > > > On Wed, Aug 7, 2013 at 5:36 AM, Gustav Brock wrote: > > > Hi Rocky > > > > Except if your current buttons are ugly, which I guess not, you should > > advise him to spend his limited time on more important things - items > > that will raise productivity for example. > > Users want neat not fancy design, and 3D buttons are so much yesterday > > - like those of Access 1.x and 2.0. Even Apple with their revised UI > > design for the next iPhone knows this. > > > > I still recall the ugly standard buttons Borland came up with in > > Delphi > ... > > those with a big green checkmark and a big red cross cartoon-style > > overlay for the OK and Cancel buttons. > > > > /gustav > > > > -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- > > Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Rocky Smolin > > Sendt: 7. august 2013 02:35 > > Til: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > > Emne: [AccessD] Better Looking Buttons > > > > Dear List: > > > > A client writes: "I would like to try and make the various buttons > > more three dimensional looking. Examples from Apple are in Exhibit K. > > Can we do something like this?" > > > > He's looking to give the command buttons a little sizzle. He's > > considering making the app I wrote to run his business into a > > commercial > app. > > > > Any ideas? > > > > MTIA > > > > Rocky Smolin > > Beach Access Software > > 858-259-4334 > > www.bchacc.com www.e-z-mrp.com > > > > Skype: rocky.smolin > > > > > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > -- > Arthur > Cell: 647.710.1314 > > Prediction is difficult, especially of the future. > -- Niels Bohr > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2013.0.3392 / Virus Database: 3209/6558 - Release Date: 08/07/13 > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Arthur Cell: 647.710.1314 Prediction is difficult, especially of the future. -- Niels Bohr From BradM at blackforestltd.com Thu Aug 8 11:19:37 2013 From: BradM at blackforestltd.com (Brad Marks) Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2013 11:19:37 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Better Looking Buttons - Basic4Android and TechBasic References: <201308081541.r78FfiT4013038@databaseadvisors.com> Message-ID: Rocky, I recently did some fun R&D work in the world of iDevices and Android devices. These realms were completely new to me. I wanted to build a simple "tablet application" to collect a small amount of data and then FTP the data so that I could get at it from a Windows Server (to control an Microsoft Access "Reporting Application"). I purchased both Basic4Android and TechBasic (for the Apple realm). Both products are inexpensive, but quite powerful. I was able to build the little FTP application for both the Apple world and the Android world quite easily. As I recall, Basic4Android was $34 (on sale from $50) TechBasic was only $12.00, but to deploy on additional Apple devices requires a second $50 product and as I understand it, there is a $100/year charge from Apple for a "Developers License". Anyway, I have had some fun with these two products. I am amazed by the capabilities of both products considering the small costs. Both products have the "feel" of Visual Basic. Brad -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com on behalf of Tony Septav Sent: Thu 8/8/2013 10:41 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Better Looking Buttons Hey Rocky I bought into Alpha Five and everything Arthur has said is true, it blows the socks off of Access (what ever version). The only problem I find with the company, is once they have you hooked they want you to upgrade to their new products at a "price". I have seen this before and I do not like it. Tony Septav Nanaimo, BC Canada -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: August-07-13 11:22 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Better Looking Buttons OK - that's the kind of advice I was looking for. I wanted to go for tuba, but it went with a divorce so I dropped that idea. R -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John R Bartow Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2013 4:24 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Better Looking Buttons Were I you, I'd go with a woodwind next ;-) -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2013 6:00 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Better Looking Buttons I've got a full Alpha as well as Basic 4 Android. If I wanted to develop a fairly simple app, no database, to deploy on tablet and phone, which one would be best to learn? R -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John R Bartow Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2013 9:06 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Better Looking Buttons Arthur, Good job! I've had a client ask me to upgrade an app "so its work like a browser does". jb -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2013 7:03 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Better Looking Buttons You are right about that Gustav! I have tended to go for the "URL-like" path in recent apps, and it seems to work. Users surf the net constantly and the more they surf, the better they appreciate my efforts to resemble that experience. Speaking of which, you have to check out the trial of Alpha Anywhere. This is the killer app for multi-platform (desk, web, tablet, phone) development. You can get a trial at alphasoftware.com. I think there is no better development platform than this. On Wed, Aug 7, 2013 at 5:36 AM, Gustav Brock wrote: > Hi Rocky > > Except if your current buttons are ugly, which I guess not, you should > advise him to spend his limited time on more important things - items > that will raise productivity for example. > Users want neat not fancy design, and 3D buttons are so much yesterday > - like those of Access 1.x and 2.0. Even Apple with their revised UI > design for the next iPhone knows this. > > I still recall the ugly standard buttons Borland came up with in > Delphi ... > those with a big green checkmark and a big red cross cartoon-style > overlay for the OK and Cancel buttons. > > /gustav > > -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- > Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Rocky Smolin > Sendt: 7. august 2013 02:35 > Til: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > Emne: [AccessD] Better Looking Buttons > > Dear List: > > A client writes: "I would like to try and make the various buttons > more three dimensional looking. Examples from Apple are in Exhibit K. > Can we do something like this?" > > He's looking to give the command buttons a little sizzle. He's > considering making the app I wrote to run his business into a > commercial app. > > Any ideas? > > MTIA > > Rocky Smolin > Beach Access Software > 858-259-4334 > www.bchacc.com www.e-z-mrp.com > > Skype: rocky.smolin > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Arthur Cell: 647.710.1314 Prediction is difficult, especially of the future. -- Niels Bohr -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.3392 / Virus Database: 3209/6558 - Release Date: 08/07/13 -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- This message was scanned by ESVA and is believed to be clean. Click here to report this message as spam. http://h0stname/cgi-bin/learn-msg.cgi?id=B74BD28960.4F552 From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Thu Aug 8 11:57:09 2013 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2013 09:57:09 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Better Looking Buttons - Basic4Android and TechBasic In-Reply-To: References: <201308081541.r78FfiT4013038@databaseadvisors.com> Message-ID: Good to know. My first 'bus man's holiday' will probably be with B4A. R -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brad Marks Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2013 9:20 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Better Looking Buttons - Basic4Android and TechBasic Rocky, I recently did some fun R&D work in the world of iDevices and Android devices. These realms were completely new to me. I wanted to build a simple "tablet application" to collect a small amount of data and then FTP the data so that I could get at it from a Windows Server (to control an Microsoft Access "Reporting Application"). I purchased both Basic4Android and TechBasic (for the Apple realm). Both products are inexpensive, but quite powerful. I was able to build the little FTP application for both the Apple world and the Android world quite easily. As I recall, Basic4Android was $34 (on sale from $50) TechBasic was only $12.00, but to deploy on additional Apple devices requires a second $50 product and as I understand it, there is a $100/year charge from Apple for a "Developers License". Anyway, I have had some fun with these two products. I am amazed by the capabilities of both products considering the small costs. Both products have the "feel" of Visual Basic. Brad -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com on behalf of Tony Septav Sent: Thu 8/8/2013 10:41 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Better Looking Buttons Hey Rocky I bought into Alpha Five and everything Arthur has said is true, it blows the socks off of Access (what ever version). The only problem I find with the company, is once they have you hooked they want you to upgrade to their new products at a "price". I have seen this before and I do not like it. Tony Septav Nanaimo, BC Canada -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: August-07-13 11:22 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Better Looking Buttons OK - that's the kind of advice I was looking for. I wanted to go for tuba, but it went with a divorce so I dropped that idea. R -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John R Bartow Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2013 4:24 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Better Looking Buttons Were I you, I'd go with a woodwind next ;-) -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2013 6:00 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Better Looking Buttons I've got a full Alpha as well as Basic 4 Android. If I wanted to develop a fairly simple app, no database, to deploy on tablet and phone, which one would be best to learn? R -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John R Bartow Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2013 9:06 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Better Looking Buttons Arthur, Good job! I've had a client ask me to upgrade an app "so its work like a browser does". jb -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2013 7:03 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Better Looking Buttons You are right about that Gustav! I have tended to go for the "URL-like" path in recent apps, and it seems to work. Users surf the net constantly and the more they surf, the better they appreciate my efforts to resemble that experience. Speaking of which, you have to check out the trial of Alpha Anywhere. This is the killer app for multi-platform (desk, web, tablet, phone) development. You can get a trial at alphasoftware.com. I think there is no better development platform than this. On Wed, Aug 7, 2013 at 5:36 AM, Gustav Brock wrote: > Hi Rocky > > Except if your current buttons are ugly, which I guess not, you should > advise him to spend his limited time on more important things - items > that will raise productivity for example. > Users want neat not fancy design, and 3D buttons are so much yesterday > - like those of Access 1.x and 2.0. Even Apple with their revised UI > design for the next iPhone knows this. > > I still recall the ugly standard buttons Borland came up with in > Delphi ... > those with a big green checkmark and a big red cross cartoon-style > overlay for the OK and Cancel buttons. > > /gustav > > -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- > Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Rocky Smolin > Sendt: 7. august 2013 02:35 > Til: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > Emne: [AccessD] Better Looking Buttons > > Dear List: > > A client writes: "I would like to try and make the various buttons > more three dimensional looking. Examples from Apple are in Exhibit K. > Can we do something like this?" > > He's looking to give the command buttons a little sizzle. He's > considering making the app I wrote to run his business into a > commercial app. > > Any ideas? > > MTIA > > Rocky Smolin > Beach Access Software > 858-259-4334 > www.bchacc.com www.e-z-mrp.com > > Skype: rocky.smolin > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Arthur Cell: 647.710.1314 Prediction is difficult, especially of the future. -- Niels Bohr -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.3392 / Virus Database: 3209/6558 - Release Date: 08/07/13 -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- This message was scanned by ESVA and is believed to be clean. Click here to report this message as spam. http://h0stname/cgi-bin/learn-msg.cgi?id=B74BD28960.4F552 From BradM at blackforestltd.com Thu Aug 8 12:09:59 2013 From: BradM at blackforestltd.com (Brad Marks) Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2013 12:09:59 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Better Looking Buttons - Basic4Android and TechBasic References: <201308081541.r78FfiT4013038@databaseadvisors.com> Message-ID: Rocky, I wasn't sure what a 'bus man's holiday' was so I looked it up. busman's holiday n. Informal A vacation during which one engages in activity that is similar to one's usual work. For the past 5 years, my wife and I have spent the month of July at the College of St. Scholastica in Duluth, MN. I call these months my "Sabbaticals". During these periods, I goof around with software that I don't seem to find time for during the rest of the year. It is a pretty laid back time, but I have been amazed by how much I can learn and how much fun I can have during these times. Brad -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com on behalf of Rocky Smolin Sent: Thu 8/8/2013 11:57 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Better Looking Buttons - Basic4Android and TechBasic Good to know. My first 'bus man's holiday' will probably be with B4A. R -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brad Marks Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2013 9:20 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Better Looking Buttons - Basic4Android and TechBasic Rocky, I recently did some fun R&D work in the world of iDevices and Android devices. These realms were completely new to me. I wanted to build a simple "tablet application" to collect a small amount of data and then FTP the data so that I could get at it from a Windows Server (to control an Microsoft Access "Reporting Application"). I purchased both Basic4Android and TechBasic (for the Apple realm). Both products are inexpensive, but quite powerful. I was able to build the little FTP application for both the Apple world and the Android world quite easily. As I recall, Basic4Android was $34 (on sale from $50) TechBasic was only $12.00, but to deploy on additional Apple devices requires a second $50 product and as I understand it, there is a $100/year charge from Apple for a "Developers License". Anyway, I have had some fun with these two products. I am amazed by the capabilities of both products considering the small costs. Both products have the "feel" of Visual Basic. Brad -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com on behalf of Tony Septav Sent: Thu 8/8/2013 10:41 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Better Looking Buttons Hey Rocky I bought into Alpha Five and everything Arthur has said is true, it blows the socks off of Access (what ever version). The only problem I find with the company, is once they have you hooked they want you to upgrade to their new products at a "price". I have seen this before and I do not like it. Tony Septav Nanaimo, BC Canada -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: August-07-13 11:22 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Better Looking Buttons OK - that's the kind of advice I was looking for. I wanted to go for tuba, but it went with a divorce so I dropped that idea. R -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John R Bartow Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2013 4:24 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Better Looking Buttons Were I you, I'd go with a woodwind next ;-) -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2013 6:00 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Better Looking Buttons I've got a full Alpha as well as Basic 4 Android. If I wanted to develop a fairly simple app, no database, to deploy on tablet and phone, which one would be best to learn? R -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John R Bartow Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2013 9:06 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Better Looking Buttons Arthur, Good job! I've had a client ask me to upgrade an app "so its work like a browser does". jb -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2013 7:03 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Better Looking Buttons You are right about that Gustav! I have tended to go for the "URL-like" path in recent apps, and it seems to work. Users surf the net constantly and the more they surf, the better they appreciate my efforts to resemble that experience. Speaking of which, you have to check out the trial of Alpha Anywhere. This is the killer app for multi-platform (desk, web, tablet, phone) development. You can get a trial at alphasoftware.com. I think there is no better development platform than this. On Wed, Aug 7, 2013 at 5:36 AM, Gustav Brock wrote: > Hi Rocky > > Except if your current buttons are ugly, which I guess not, you should > advise him to spend his limited time on more important things - items > that will raise productivity for example. > Users want neat not fancy design, and 3D buttons are so much yesterday > - like those of Access 1.x and 2.0. Even Apple with their revised UI > design for the next iPhone knows this. > > I still recall the ugly standard buttons Borland came up with in > Delphi ... > those with a big green checkmark and a big red cross cartoon-style > overlay for the OK and Cancel buttons. > > /gustav > > -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- > Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Rocky Smolin > Sendt: 7. august 2013 02:35 > Til: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > Emne: [AccessD] Better Looking Buttons > > Dear List: > > A client writes: "I would like to try and make the various buttons > more three dimensional looking. Examples from Apple are in Exhibit K. > Can we do something like this?" > > He's looking to give the command buttons a little sizzle. He's > considering making the app I wrote to run his business into a > commercial app. > > Any ideas? > > MTIA > > Rocky Smolin > Beach Access Software > 858-259-4334 > www.bchacc.com www.e-z-mrp.com > > Skype: rocky.smolin > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Arthur Cell: 647.710.1314 Prediction is difficult, especially of the future. -- Niels Bohr -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com ----- No virus found in this message. 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Click here to report this message as spam. http://h0stname/cgi-bin/learn-msg.cgi?id=95DA428960.C56A6 From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Thu Aug 8 12:32:01 2013 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2013 10:32:01 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Better Looking Buttons - Basic4Android and TechBasic In-Reply-To: References: <201308081541.r78FfiT4013038@databaseadvisors.com> Message-ID: So-called because: Q: What does a bus man do on vacation? A: Takes a bus trip. :) I think I told everyone my commercial product E-Z_MRP was acquired last spring and so now I'm working only like 1/2 a day to support some other clients I do Access for. Try desperately to retire. :) So, first thing after escrow closed I got this idea for an app - Android, of course. The list has steered me B4A as a good product with a short learning curve for Access drop-outs. My geek-son though looks down his nose at it - says I should write the app in Java - that a compiled and interpreted app will have performance issues and screen resizing problems. Anybody know if these are the cases? Rocky -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brad Marks Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2013 10:10 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Better Looking Buttons - Basic4Android and TechBasic Rocky, I wasn't sure what a 'bus man's holiday' was so I looked it up. busman's holiday n. Informal A vacation during which one engages in activity that is similar to one's usual work. For the past 5 years, my wife and I have spent the month of July at the College of St. Scholastica in Duluth, MN. I call these months my "Sabbaticals". During these periods, I goof around with software that I don't seem to find time for during the rest of the year. It is a pretty laid back time, but I have been amazed by how much I can learn and how much fun I can have during these times. Brad -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com on behalf of Rocky Smolin Sent: Thu 8/8/2013 11:57 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Better Looking Buttons - Basic4Android and TechBasic Good to know. My first 'bus man's holiday' will probably be with B4A. R -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brad Marks Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2013 9:20 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Better Looking Buttons - Basic4Android and TechBasic Rocky, I recently did some fun R&D work in the world of iDevices and Android devices. These realms were completely new to me. I wanted to build a simple "tablet application" to collect a small amount of data and then FTP the data so that I could get at it from a Windows Server (to control an Microsoft Access "Reporting Application"). I purchased both Basic4Android and TechBasic (for the Apple realm). Both products are inexpensive, but quite powerful. I was able to build the little FTP application for both the Apple world and the Android world quite easily. As I recall, Basic4Android was $34 (on sale from $50) TechBasic was only $12.00, but to deploy on additional Apple devices requires a second $50 product and as I understand it, there is a $100/year charge from Apple for a "Developers License". Anyway, I have had some fun with these two products. I am amazed by the capabilities of both products considering the small costs. Both products have the "feel" of Visual Basic. Brad -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com on behalf of Tony Septav Sent: Thu 8/8/2013 10:41 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Better Looking Buttons Hey Rocky I bought into Alpha Five and everything Arthur has said is true, it blows the socks off of Access (what ever version). The only problem I find with the company, is once they have you hooked they want you to upgrade to their new products at a "price". I have seen this before and I do not like it. Tony Septav Nanaimo, BC Canada -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: August-07-13 11:22 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Better Looking Buttons OK - that's the kind of advice I was looking for. I wanted to go for tuba, but it went with a divorce so I dropped that idea. R -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John R Bartow Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2013 4:24 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Better Looking Buttons Were I you, I'd go with a woodwind next ;-) -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2013 6:00 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Better Looking Buttons I've got a full Alpha as well as Basic 4 Android. If I wanted to develop a fairly simple app, no database, to deploy on tablet and phone, which one would be best to learn? R -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John R Bartow Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2013 9:06 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Better Looking Buttons Arthur, Good job! I've had a client ask me to upgrade an app "so its work like a browser does". jb -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2013 7:03 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Better Looking Buttons You are right about that Gustav! I have tended to go for the "URL-like" path in recent apps, and it seems to work. Users surf the net constantly and the more they surf, the better they appreciate my efforts to resemble that experience. Speaking of which, you have to check out the trial of Alpha Anywhere. This is the killer app for multi-platform (desk, web, tablet, phone) development. You can get a trial at alphasoftware.com. I think there is no better development platform than this. On Wed, Aug 7, 2013 at 5:36 AM, Gustav Brock wrote: > Hi Rocky > > Except if your current buttons are ugly, which I guess not, you should > advise him to spend his limited time on more important things - items > that will raise productivity for example. > Users want neat not fancy design, and 3D buttons are so much yesterday > - like those of Access 1.x and 2.0. Even Apple with their revised UI > design for the next iPhone knows this. > > I still recall the ugly standard buttons Borland came up with in > Delphi ... > those with a big green checkmark and a big red cross cartoon-style > overlay for the OK and Cancel buttons. > > /gustav > > -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- > Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Rocky Smolin > Sendt: 7. august 2013 02:35 > Til: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > Emne: [AccessD] Better Looking Buttons > > Dear List: > > A client writes: "I would like to try and make the various buttons > more three dimensional looking. Examples from Apple are in Exhibit K. > Can we do something like this?" > > He's looking to give the command buttons a little sizzle. He's > considering making the app I wrote to run his business into a > commercial app. > > Any ideas? > > MTIA > > Rocky Smolin > Beach Access Software > 858-259-4334 > www.bchacc.com www.e-z-mrp.com > > Skype: rocky.smolin > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Arthur Cell: 647.710.1314 Prediction is difficult, especially of the future. -- Niels Bohr -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com ----- No virus found in this message. 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Click here to report this message as spam. http://h0stname/cgi-bin/learn-msg.cgi?id=95DA428960.C56A6 From BradM at blackforestltd.com Thu Aug 8 12:54:24 2013 From: BradM at blackforestltd.com (Brad Marks) Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2013 12:54:24 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Better Looking Buttons - Basic4Android and TechBasic References: <201308081541.r78FfiT4013038@databaseadvisors.com> Message-ID: Rocky, I have two sons and in most cases, they are right :-) It is my understanding the Basic4Android feels like VB for the development side but then is translated into Java for the deployment side. Again, this is all new to me. For the little application that I am working on, I have no concerns about performance. There is a nice Basic4Android online community forum. I would think that people with more experience could address the performance issue if there is one. I have read in several places that building an Android ap with Java is about 10 times more complicated than building it with B4A. Good luck in your new adventures. Brad -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2013 12:32 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Better Looking Buttons - Basic4Android and TechBasic So-called because: Q: What does a bus man do on vacation? A: Takes a bus trip. :) I think I told everyone my commercial product E-Z_MRP was acquired last spring and so now I'm working only like 1/2 a day to support some other clients I do Access for. Try desperately to retire. :) So, first thing after escrow closed I got this idea for an app - Android, of course. The list has steered me B4A as a good product with a short learning curve for Access drop-outs. My geek-son though looks down his nose at it - says I should write the app in Java - that a compiled and interpreted app will have performance issues and screen resizing problems. Anybody know if these are the cases? Rocky -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brad Marks Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2013 10:10 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Better Looking Buttons - Basic4Android and TechBasic Rocky, I wasn't sure what a 'bus man's holiday' was so I looked it up. busman's holiday n. Informal A vacation during which one engages in activity that is similar to one's usual work. For the past 5 years, my wife and I have spent the month of July at the College of St. Scholastica in Duluth, MN. I call these months my "Sabbaticals". During these periods, I goof around with software that I don't seem to find time for during the rest of the year. It is a pretty laid back time, but I have been amazed by how much I can learn and how much fun I can have during these times. Brad -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com on behalf of Rocky Smolin Sent: Thu 8/8/2013 11:57 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Better Looking Buttons - Basic4Android and TechBasic Good to know. My first 'bus man's holiday' will probably be with B4A. R -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brad Marks Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2013 9:20 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Better Looking Buttons - Basic4Android and TechBasic Rocky, I recently did some fun R&D work in the world of iDevices and Android devices. These realms were completely new to me. I wanted to build a simple "tablet application" to collect a small amount of data and then FTP the data so that I could get at it from a Windows Server (to control an Microsoft Access "Reporting Application"). I purchased both Basic4Android and TechBasic (for the Apple realm). Both products are inexpensive, but quite powerful. I was able to build the little FTP application for both the Apple world and the Android world quite easily. As I recall, Basic4Android was $34 (on sale from $50) TechBasic was only $12.00, but to deploy on additional Apple devices requires a second $50 product and as I understand it, there is a $100/year charge from Apple for a "Developers License". Anyway, I have had some fun with these two products. I am amazed by the capabilities of both products considering the small costs. Both products have the "feel" of Visual Basic. Brad -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com on behalf of Tony Septav Sent: Thu 8/8/2013 10:41 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Better Looking Buttons Hey Rocky I bought into Alpha Five and everything Arthur has said is true, it blows the socks off of Access (what ever version). The only problem I find with the company, is once they have you hooked they want you to upgrade to their new products at a "price". I have seen this before and I do not like it. Tony Septav Nanaimo, BC Canada -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: August-07-13 11:22 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Better Looking Buttons OK - that's the kind of advice I was looking for. I wanted to go for tuba, but it went with a divorce so I dropped that idea. R -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John R Bartow Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2013 4:24 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Better Looking Buttons Were I you, I'd go with a woodwind next ;-) -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2013 6:00 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Better Looking Buttons I've got a full Alpha as well as Basic 4 Android. If I wanted to develop a fairly simple app, no database, to deploy on tablet and phone, which one would be best to learn? R -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John R Bartow Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2013 9:06 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Better Looking Buttons Arthur, Good job! I've had a client ask me to upgrade an app "so its work like a browser does". jb -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2013 7:03 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Better Looking Buttons You are right about that Gustav! I have tended to go for the "URL-like" path in recent apps, and it seems to work. Users surf the net constantly and the more they surf, the better they appreciate my efforts to resemble that experience. Speaking of which, you have to check out the trial of Alpha Anywhere. This is the killer app for multi-platform (desk, web, tablet, phone) development. You can get a trial at alphasoftware.com. I think there is no better development platform than this. On Wed, Aug 7, 2013 at 5:36 AM, Gustav Brock wrote: > Hi Rocky > > Except if your current buttons are ugly, which I guess not, you should > advise him to spend his limited time on more important things - items > that will raise productivity for example. > Users want neat not fancy design, and 3D buttons are so much yesterday > - like those of Access 1.x and 2.0. Even Apple with their revised UI > design for the next iPhone knows this. > > I still recall the ugly standard buttons Borland came up with in > Delphi ... > those with a big green checkmark and a big red cross cartoon-style > overlay for the OK and Cancel buttons. > > /gustav > > -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- > Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Rocky Smolin > Sendt: 7. august 2013 02:35 > Til: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > Emne: [AccessD] Better Looking Buttons > > Dear List: > > A client writes: "I would like to try and make the various buttons > more three dimensional looking. Examples from Apple are in Exhibit K. > Can we do something like this?" > > He's looking to give the command buttons a little sizzle. He's > considering making the app I wrote to run his business into a > commercial app. > > Any ideas? > > MTIA > > Rocky Smolin > Beach Access Software > 858-259-4334 > www.bchacc.com www.e-z-mrp.com > > Skype: rocky.smolin > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Arthur Cell: 647.710.1314 Prediction is difficult, especially of the future. -- Niels Bohr -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com ----- No virus found in this message. 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Click here to report this message as spam. http://h0stname/cgi-bin/learn-msg.cgi?id=2339628960.31F27 From davidmcafee at gmail.com Thu Aug 8 14:03:47 2013 From: davidmcafee at gmail.com (David McAfee) Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2013 12:03:47 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Fwd: Better Looking Buttons - Basic4Android and TechBasic In-Reply-To: References: <201308081541.r78FfiT4013038@databaseadvisors.com> Message-ID: Rocky, IIRC your son was also playing around with Lua. Look at corona labs: http://www.coronalabs.com/ IIRC, Temple Run and Angry Birds were written using Corona Labs / Lua. it's now free if your app makes less than $10K From charlotte.foust at gmail.com Thu Aug 8 15:17:03 2013 From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust) Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2013 13:17:03 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Better Looking Buttons In-Reply-To: References: <201308081541.r78FfiT4013038@databaseadvisors.com> Message-ID: I looked at Alpha Anywhere, but I feel old and cranky when faced with learning yet another scripting language, even one that's Basic-like. I suspect the learning curve for me would be worse than Visual Studio. Charlotte On Thu, Aug 8, 2013 at 9:12 AM, Arthur Fuller wrote: > Then let Richard and Selwyn know how you feel, Tony. That's the best advice > I can offer. Incidentally, I am forwarding your message to them. > > Arthur > > > On Thu, Aug 8, 2013 at 11:41 AM, Tony Septav wrote: > > > Hey Rocky > > I bought into Alpha Five and everything Arthur has said is true, it blows > > the socks off of Access (what ever version). The only problem I find with > > the company, is once they have you hooked they want you to upgrade to > their > > new products at a "price". I have seen this before and I do not like it. > > > > Tony Septav > > Nanaimo, BC > > Canada > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin > > Sent: August-07-13 11:22 PM > > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Better Looking Buttons > > > > OK - that's the kind of advice I was looking for. I wanted to go for > tuba, > > but it went with a divorce so I dropped that idea. > > > > R > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John R Bartow > > Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2013 4:24 PM > > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Better Looking Buttons > > > > Were I you, I'd go with a woodwind next ;-) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin > > Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2013 6:00 PM > > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Better Looking Buttons > > > > I've got a full Alpha as well as Basic 4 Android. If I wanted to > develop a > > fairly simple app, no database, to deploy on tablet and phone, which one > > would be best to learn? > > > > R > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John R Bartow > > Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2013 9:06 AM > > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Better Looking Buttons > > > > Arthur, > > Good job! I've had a client ask me to upgrade an app "so its work like a > > browser does". > > jb > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller > > Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2013 7:03 AM > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Better Looking Buttons > > > > You are right about that Gustav! I have tended to go for the "URL-like" > > path in recent apps, and it seems to work. Users surf the net constantly > > and > > the more they surf, the better they appreciate my efforts to resemble > that > > experience. > > > > Speaking of which, you have to check out the trial of Alpha Anywhere. > This > > is the killer app for multi-platform (desk, web, tablet, phone) > > development. > > You can get a trial at alphasoftware.com. I think there is no better > > development platform than this. > > > > > > On Wed, Aug 7, 2013 at 5:36 AM, Gustav Brock wrote: > > > > > Hi Rocky > > > > > > Except if your current buttons are ugly, which I guess not, you should > > > advise him to spend his limited time on more important things - items > > > that will raise productivity for example. > > > Users want neat not fancy design, and 3D buttons are so much yesterday > > > - like those of Access 1.x and 2.0. Even Apple with their revised UI > > > design for the next iPhone knows this. > > > > > > I still recall the ugly standard buttons Borland came up with in > > > Delphi > > ... > > > those with a big green checkmark and a big red cross cartoon-style > > > overlay for the OK and Cancel buttons. > > > > > > /gustav > > > > > > -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- > > > Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Rocky Smolin > > > Sendt: 7. august 2013 02:35 > > > Til: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > > > Emne: [AccessD] Better Looking Buttons > > > > > > Dear List: > > > > > > A client writes: "I would like to try and make the various buttons > > > more three dimensional looking. Examples from Apple are in Exhibit K. > > > Can we do something like this?" > > > > > > He's looking to give the command buttons a little sizzle. He's > > > considering making the app I wrote to run his business into a > > > commercial > > app. > > > > > > Any ideas? > > > > > > MTIA > > > > > > Rocky Smolin > > > Beach Access Software > > > 858-259-4334 > > > www.bchacc.com www.e-z-mrp.com > > > > > > Skype: rocky.smolin > > > > > > > > > -- > > > AccessD mailing list > > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Arthur > > Cell: 647.710.1314 > > > > Prediction is difficult, especially of the future. > > -- Niels Bohr > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > ----- > > No virus found in this message. > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > Version: 2013.0.3392 / Virus Database: 3209/6558 - Release Date: 08/07/13 > > > > > > > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > -- > Arthur > Cell: 647.710.1314 > > Prediction is difficult, especially of the future. > -- Niels Bohr > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From TSeptav at Uniserve.com Thu Aug 8 15:27:39 2013 From: TSeptav at Uniserve.com (Tony Septav) Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2013 15:27:39 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Better Looking Buttons In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <201308082027.r78KRiOH014772@databaseadvisors.com> Hey Charlotte You are getting old. The mage of programming backing down, now I am getting scared. Tony Septav Nanaimo, BC BC -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust Sent: August-08-13 3:17 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Better Looking Buttons I looked at Alpha Anywhere, but I feel old and cranky when faced with learning yet another scripting language, even one that's Basic-like. I suspect the learning curve for me would be worse than Visual Studio. Charlotte On Thu, Aug 8, 2013 at 9:12 AM, Arthur Fuller wrote: > Then let Richard and Selwyn know how you feel, Tony. That's the best advice > I can offer. Incidentally, I am forwarding your message to them. > > Arthur > > > On Thu, Aug 8, 2013 at 11:41 AM, Tony Septav wrote: > > > Hey Rocky > > I bought into Alpha Five and everything Arthur has said is true, it blows > > the socks off of Access (what ever version). The only problem I find with > > the company, is once they have you hooked they want you to upgrade to > their > > new products at a "price". I have seen this before and I do not like it. > > > > Tony Septav > > Nanaimo, BC > > Canada > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin > > Sent: August-07-13 11:22 PM > > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Better Looking Buttons > > > > OK - that's the kind of advice I was looking for. I wanted to go for > tuba, > > but it went with a divorce so I dropped that idea. > > > > R > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John R Bartow > > Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2013 4:24 PM > > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Better Looking Buttons > > > > Were I you, I'd go with a woodwind next ;-) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin > > Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2013 6:00 PM > > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Better Looking Buttons > > > > I've got a full Alpha as well as Basic 4 Android. If I wanted to > develop a > > fairly simple app, no database, to deploy on tablet and phone, which one > > would be best to learn? > > > > R > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John R Bartow > > Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2013 9:06 AM > > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Better Looking Buttons > > > > Arthur, > > Good job! I've had a client ask me to upgrade an app "so its work like a > > browser does". > > jb > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller > > Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2013 7:03 AM > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Better Looking Buttons > > > > You are right about that Gustav! I have tended to go for the "URL-like" > > path in recent apps, and it seems to work. Users surf the net constantly > > and > > the more they surf, the better they appreciate my efforts to resemble > that > > experience. > > > > Speaking of which, you have to check out the trial of Alpha Anywhere. > This > > is the killer app for multi-platform (desk, web, tablet, phone) > > development. > > You can get a trial at alphasoftware.com. I think there is no better > > development platform than this. > > > > > > On Wed, Aug 7, 2013 at 5:36 AM, Gustav Brock wrote: > > > > > Hi Rocky > > > > > > Except if your current buttons are ugly, which I guess not, you should > > > advise him to spend his limited time on more important things - items > > > that will raise productivity for example. > > > Users want neat not fancy design, and 3D buttons are so much yesterday > > > - like those of Access 1.x and 2.0. Even Apple with their revised UI > > > design for the next iPhone knows this. > > > > > > I still recall the ugly standard buttons Borland came up with in > > > Delphi > > ... > > > those with a big green checkmark and a big red cross cartoon-style > > > overlay for the OK and Cancel buttons. > > > > > > /gustav > > > > > > -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- > > > Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Rocky Smolin > > > Sendt: 7. august 2013 02:35 > > > Til: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > > > Emne: [AccessD] Better Looking Buttons > > > > > > Dear List: > > > > > > A client writes: "I would like to try and make the various buttons > > > more three dimensional looking. Examples from Apple are in Exhibit K. > > > Can we do something like this?" > > > > > > He's looking to give the command buttons a little sizzle. He's > > > considering making the app I wrote to run his business into a > > > commercial > > app. > > > > > > Any ideas? > > > > > > MTIA > > > > > > Rocky Smolin > > > Beach Access Software > > > 858-259-4334 > > > www.bchacc.com www.e-z-mrp.com > > > > > > Skype: rocky.smolin > > > > > > > > > -- > > > AccessD mailing list > > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Arthur > > Cell: 647.710.1314 > > > > Prediction is difficult, especially of the future. > > -- Niels Bohr > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > ----- > > No virus found in this message. > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > Version: 2013.0.3392 / Virus Database: 3209/6558 - Release Date: 08/07/13 > > > > > > > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > -- > Arthur > Cell: 647.710.1314 > > Prediction is difficult, especially of the future. > -- Niels Bohr > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.3392 / Virus Database: 3209/6559 - Release Date: 08/08/13 From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Thu Aug 8 16:46:30 2013 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Fri, 09 Aug 2013 07:46:30 +1000 Subject: [AccessD] Better Looking Buttons - Basic4Android and TechBasic In-Reply-To: References: <201308081541.r78FfiT4013038@databaseadvisors.com>, , Message-ID: <520411B6.18282.8DD4D7C1@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> In the Port Moresby area, the local people (Motu Koitabu) have their own local government "Assembly". They have a separate electoral roll with about 25,000 eligible voters. We recently did a complete roll update exercise using 14 teams (assigned to different "wards") equipped with a B4A app on Android tablets - an SQLite database containing the complete roll and screens to update records and enroll newly eligible voters. Once they had completed the exercise, it only took about it 1/2 an hour to transfer all the data and update the master roll. It worked great. -- Stuart On 8 Aug 2013 at 9:57, Rocky Smolin wrote: > Good to know. My first 'bus man's holiday' will probably be with B4A. > > R > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brad Marks > Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2013 9:20 AM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Better Looking Buttons - Basic4Android and TechBasic > > Rocky, > > I recently did some fun R&D work in the world of iDevices and Android > devices. These realms were completely new to me. > > I wanted to build a simple "tablet application" to collect a small amount of > data and then FTP the data so that I could get at it from a Windows Server > (to control an Microsoft Access "Reporting Application"). > > I purchased both Basic4Android and TechBasic (for the Apple realm). Both > products are inexpensive, but quite powerful. I was able to build the > little FTP application for both the Apple world and the Android world quite > easily. > > As I recall, Basic4Android was $34 (on sale from $50) > > TechBasic was only $12.00, but to deploy on additional Apple devices > requires a second $50 product and as I understand it, there is a $100/year > charge from Apple for a "Developers License". > > Anyway, I have had some fun with these two products. I am amazed by the > capabilities of both products considering the small costs. Both products > have the "feel" of Visual Basic. > > Brad > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com on behalf of Tony Septav > Sent: Thu 8/8/2013 10:41 AM > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Better Looking Buttons > > Hey Rocky > I bought into Alpha Five and everything Arthur has said is true, it blows > the socks off of Access (what ever version). The only problem I find with > the company, is once they have you hooked they want you to upgrade to their > new products at a "price". I have seen this before and I do not like it. > > Tony Septav > Nanaimo, BC > Canada > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin > Sent: August-07-13 11:22 PM > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Better Looking Buttons > > OK - that's the kind of advice I was looking for. I wanted to go for tuba, > but it went with a divorce so I dropped that idea. > > R > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John R Bartow > Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2013 4:24 PM > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Better Looking Buttons > > Were I you, I'd go with a woodwind next ;-) > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin > Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2013 6:00 PM > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Better Looking Buttons > > I've got a full Alpha as well as Basic 4 Android. If I wanted to develop a > fairly simple app, no database, to deploy on tablet and phone, which one > would be best to learn? > > R > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John R Bartow > Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2013 9:06 AM > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Better Looking Buttons > > Arthur, > Good job! I've had a client ask me to upgrade an app "so its work like a > browser does". > jb > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller > Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2013 7:03 AM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Better Looking Buttons > > You are right about that Gustav! I have tended to go for the "URL-like" > path in recent apps, and it seems to work. Users surf the net constantly and > the more they surf, the better they appreciate my efforts to resemble that > experience. > > Speaking of which, you have to check out the trial of Alpha Anywhere. This > is the killer app for multi-platform (desk, web, tablet, phone) development. > You can get a trial at alphasoftware.com. I think there is no better > development platform than this. > > > On Wed, Aug 7, 2013 at 5:36 AM, Gustav Brock wrote: > > > Hi Rocky > > > > Except if your current buttons are ugly, which I guess not, you should > > advise him to spend his limited time on more important things - items > > that will raise productivity for example. > > Users want neat not fancy design, and 3D buttons are so much yesterday > > - like those of Access 1.x and 2.0. Even Apple with their revised UI > > design for the next iPhone knows this. > > > > I still recall the ugly standard buttons Borland came up with in > > Delphi > ... > > those with a big green checkmark and a big red cross cartoon-style > > overlay for the OK and Cancel buttons. > > > > /gustav > > > > -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- > > Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Rocky Smolin > > Sendt: 7. august 2013 02:35 > > Til: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > > Emne: [AccessD] Better Looking Buttons > > > > Dear List: > > > > A client writes: "I would like to try and make the various buttons > > more three dimensional looking. Examples from Apple are in Exhibit K. > > Can we do something like this?" > > > > He's looking to give the command buttons a little sizzle. He's > > considering making the app I wrote to run his business into a > > commercial > app. > > > > Any ideas? > > > > MTIA > > > > Rocky Smolin > > Beach Access Software > > 858-259-4334 > > www.bchacc.com www.e-z-mrp.com > > > > Skype: rocky.smolin > > > > > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > -- > Arthur > Cell: 647.710.1314 > > Prediction is difficult, especially of the future. > -- Niels Bohr > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2013.0.3392 / Virus Database: 3209/6558 - Release Date: 08/07/13 > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > This message was scanned by ESVA and is believed to be clean. > Click here to report this message as spam. > http://h0stname/cgi-bin/learn-msg.cgi?id=B74BD28960.4F552 > > > > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Thu Aug 8 16:50:46 2013 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Fri, 09 Aug 2013 07:50:46 +1000 Subject: [AccessD] Better Looking Buttons - Basic4Android and TechBasic In-Reply-To: References: <201308081541.r78FfiT4013038@databaseadvisors.com>, , Message-ID: <520412B6.3422.8DD8BD01@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> The arrogance of youth bites them in the ass again :-) >From the horse mouth: http://www.basic4ppc.com/android/why.html Simple and powerful RAD tool for developing native Android applications ... ... Compiles to native bytecode. No runtime libraries are required. APK files are exactly the same as APK files created with Java / Eclipse -- Stuart On 8 Aug 2013 at 10:32, Rocky Smolin wrote: > > My geek-son though looks down his nose at it - says I should write the app > in Java - that a compiled and interpreted app will have performance issues > and screen resizing problems. Anybody know if these are the cases? > > Rocky > From accessd at shaw.ca Fri Aug 9 18:15:06 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2013 17:15:06 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [AccessD] Better Looking Buttons - Basic4Android and TechBasic In-Reply-To: <520411B6.18282.8DD4D7C1@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <636936320.26745290.1376090106916.JavaMail.root@cds002> Impressive. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stuart McLachlan" To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" Sent: Thursday, August 8, 2013 2:46:30 PM Subject: Re: [AccessD] Better Looking Buttons - Basic4Android and TechBasic In the Port Moresby area, the local people (Motu Koitabu) have their own local government "Assembly". They have a separate electoral roll with about 25,000 eligible voters. We recently did a complete roll update exercise using 14 teams (assigned to different "wards") equipped with a B4A app on Android tablets - an SQLite database containing the complete roll and screens to update records and enroll newly eligible voters. Once they had completed the exercise, it only took about it 1/2 an hour to transfer all the data and update the master roll. It worked great. -- Stuart On 8 Aug 2013 at 9:57, Rocky Smolin wrote: > Good to know. My first 'bus man's holiday' will probably be with B4A. > > R > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brad Marks > Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2013 9:20 AM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Better Looking Buttons - Basic4Android and TechBasic > > Rocky, > > I recently did some fun R&D work in the world of iDevices and Android > devices. These realms were completely new to me. > > I wanted to build a simple "tablet application" to collect a small amount of > data and then FTP the data so that I could get at it from a Windows Server > (to control an Microsoft Access "Reporting Application"). > > I purchased both Basic4Android and TechBasic (for the Apple realm). Both > products are inexpensive, but quite powerful. I was able to build the > little FTP application for both the Apple world and the Android world quite > easily. > > As I recall, Basic4Android was $34 (on sale from $50) > > TechBasic was only $12.00, but to deploy on additional Apple devices > requires a second $50 product and as I understand it, there is a $100/year > charge from Apple for a "Developers License". > > Anyway, I have had some fun with these two products. I am amazed by the > capabilities of both products considering the small costs. Both products > have the "feel" of Visual Basic. > > Brad > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com on behalf of Tony Septav > Sent: Thu 8/8/2013 10:41 AM > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Better Looking Buttons > > Hey Rocky > I bought into Alpha Five and everything Arthur has said is true, it blows > the socks off of Access (what ever version). The only problem I find with > the company, is once they have you hooked they want you to upgrade to their > new products at a "price". I have seen this before and I do not like it. > > Tony Septav > Nanaimo, BC > Canada > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin > Sent: August-07-13 11:22 PM > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Better Looking Buttons > > OK - that's the kind of advice I was looking for. I wanted to go for tuba, > but it went with a divorce so I dropped that idea. > > R > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John R Bartow > Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2013 4:24 PM > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Better Looking Buttons > > Were I you, I'd go with a woodwind next ;-) > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin > Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2013 6:00 PM > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Better Looking Buttons > > I've got a full Alpha as well as Basic 4 Android. If I wanted to develop a > fairly simple app, no database, to deploy on tablet and phone, which one > would be best to learn? > > R > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John R Bartow > Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2013 9:06 AM > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Better Looking Buttons > > Arthur, > Good job! I've had a client ask me to upgrade an app "so its work like a > browser does". > jb > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller > Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2013 7:03 AM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Better Looking Buttons > > You are right about that Gustav! I have tended to go for the "URL-like" > path in recent apps, and it seems to work. Users surf the net constantly and > the more they surf, the better they appreciate my efforts to resemble that > experience. > > Speaking of which, you have to check out the trial of Alpha Anywhere. This > is the killer app for multi-platform (desk, web, tablet, phone) development. > You can get a trial at alphasoftware.com. I think there is no better > development platform than this. > > > On Wed, Aug 7, 2013 at 5:36 AM, Gustav Brock wrote: > > > Hi Rocky > > > > Except if your current buttons are ugly, which I guess not, you should > > advise him to spend his limited time on more important things - items > > that will raise productivity for example. > > Users want neat not fancy design, and 3D buttons are so much yesterday > > - like those of Access 1.x and 2.0. Even Apple with their revised UI > > design for the next iPhone knows this. > > > > I still recall the ugly standard buttons Borland came up with in > > Delphi > ... > > those with a big green checkmark and a big red cross cartoon-style > > overlay for the OK and Cancel buttons. > > > > /gustav > > > > -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- > > Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Rocky Smolin > > Sendt: 7. august 2013 02:35 > > Til: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > > Emne: [AccessD] Better Looking Buttons > > > > Dear List: > > > > A client writes: "I would like to try and make the various buttons > > more three dimensional looking. Examples from Apple are in Exhibit K. > > Can we do something like this?" > > > > He's looking to give the command buttons a little sizzle. He's > > considering making the app I wrote to run his business into a > > commercial > app. > > > > Any ideas? > > > > MTIA > > > > Rocky Smolin > > Beach Access Software > > 858-259-4334 > > www.bchacc.com www.e-z-mrp.com > > > > Skype: rocky.smolin > > > > > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > -- > Arthur > Cell: 647.710.1314 > > Prediction is difficult, especially of the future. > -- Niels Bohr > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2013.0.3392 / Virus Database: 3209/6558 - Release Date: 08/07/13 > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > This message was scanned by ESVA and is believed to be clean. > Click here to report this message as spam. > http://h0stname/cgi-bin/learn-msg.cgi?id=B74BD28960.4F552 > > > > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jeff.developer at gmail.com Tue Aug 13 08:25:49 2013 From: jeff.developer at gmail.com (Jeff B) Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2013 08:25:49 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Access 2007 to SQL Server 2008 over the internet(Cross Posted) Message-ID: <005701ce9828$a0f0ea20$e2d2be60$@gmail.com> Does anyone have experience doing this? I have a need to test it out for reliability and feasibility. From fuller.artful at gmail.com Tue Aug 13 09:35:09 2013 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2013 10:35:09 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Access 2012 Development Message-ID: Not much traffic here lately. Has anyone used Access 2012 for development? IF so, does it offer much that 2007 and 2010 don't? -- Arthur Cell: 647.710.1314 Prediction is difficult, especially of the future. -- Niels Bohr From charlotte.foust at gmail.com Tue Aug 13 12:44:29 2013 From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust) Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2013 10:44:29 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Access 2012 Development In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Do you mean Access 2013, Arthur? I have it as part of Office 365. The big gotcha in it is that you can't convert open earlier than 2003 from 2013. There are some new capabilities but for desktop type development, they aren't relevant, only if you're using sharepoint, building web apps, or using LightStream. Charlotte On Tue, Aug 13, 2013 at 7:35 AM, Arthur Fuller wrote: > Not much traffic here lately. Has anyone used Access 2012 for development? > IF so, does it offer much that 2007 and 2010 don't? > > -- > Arthur > Cell: 647.710.1314 > > Prediction is difficult, especially of the future. > -- Niels Bohr > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From charlotte.foust at gmail.com Tue Aug 13 12:46:19 2013 From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust) Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2013 10:46:19 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Access 2007 to SQL Server 2008 over the internet(Cross Posted) In-Reply-To: <005701ce9828$a0f0ea20$e2d2be60$@gmail.com> References: <005701ce9828$a0f0ea20$e2d2be60$@gmail.com> Message-ID: When you say over the internet, are you talking about cloud services or something else? Charlotte On Tue, Aug 13, 2013 at 6:25 AM, Jeff B wrote: > Does anyone have experience doing this? I have a need to test it out for > reliability and feasibility. > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From jimdettman at verizon.net Tue Aug 13 12:54:38 2013 From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman) Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2013 13:54:38 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Access 2007 to SQL Server 2008 over the internet(CrossPosted) In-Reply-To: <005701ce9828$a0f0ea20$e2d2be60$@gmail.com> References: <005701ce9828$a0f0ea20$e2d2be60$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Jeff, I only know one developer that's tried Azure (and he's a good developer) a year or so back and he gave up on it. Too much latency. Jim. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jeff B Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2013 09:26 AM To: Access Developers Subject: [AccessD] Access 2007 to SQL Server 2008 over the internet(CrossPosted) Does anyone have experience doing this? I have a need to test it out for reliability and feasibility. -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jimdettman at verizon.net Tue Aug 13 12:58:11 2013 From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman) Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2013 13:58:11 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Access 2012 Development In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2163B1F8B7D74B719550BE383C3C8DDA@XPS> There are quite a few other things that Microsoft has killed as well: http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/access-help/discontinued-features-and-modi fied-functionality-in-access-2013-HA102749226.aspx Basically, if your not doing web apps through SharePoint (and these are not the same as the desktop apps we've known all these years), then Access 2013 offers nothing new. Stick with A2010 if your still doing desktop development. Jim. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2013 01:44 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access 2012 Development Do you mean Access 2013, Arthur? I have it as part of Office 365. The big gotcha in it is that you can't convert open earlier than 2003 from 2013. There are some new capabilities but for desktop type development, they aren't relevant, only if you're using sharepoint, building web apps, or using LightStream. Charlotte On Tue, Aug 13, 2013 at 7:35 AM, Arthur Fuller wrote: > Not much traffic here lately. Has anyone used Access 2012 for development? > IF so, does it offer much that 2007 and 2010 don't? > > -- > Arthur > Cell: 647.710.1314 > > Prediction is difficult, especially of the future. > -- Niels Bohr > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jeff.developer at gmail.com Tue Aug 13 13:05:36 2013 From: jeff.developer at gmail.com (Jeff B) Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2013 13:05:36 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Access 2007 to SQL Server 2008 over the internet(Cross Posted) In-Reply-To: References: <005701ce9828$a0f0ea20$e2d2be60$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <007d01ce984f$b6a75120$23f5f360$@gmail.com> What I was thinking of doing was to run the Access FE from the users laptop or desktop and host the data on a SQL Server. I also have an ASP website connected to the same data on the SQL Server. Worst case, I was hoping to demo the entire project to prospective clients; best case, I was hoping to host the entire project for clients. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2013 12:46 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access 2007 to SQL Server 2008 over the internet(Cross Posted) When you say over the internet, are you talking about cloud services or something else? Charlotte On Tue, Aug 13, 2013 at 6:25 AM, Jeff B wrote: > Does anyone have experience doing this? I have a need to test it out > for reliability and feasibility. > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.3392 / Virus Database: 3211/6574 - Release Date: 08/13/13 From cjlabs at att.net Tue Aug 13 13:45:01 2013 From: cjlabs at att.net (Carolyn Johnson) Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2013 13:45:01 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Access 2012 Development References: Message-ID: <824004D390CA418B9588B909A7EF96D1@Dell> You can't open a 2000 version database in 2013? Uggh. That explains all the crashing. I have several databases that I've kept as 2000 format because I still have users with it (well, maybe not now, but I still have 2003 users and I like 2000 better). I've had 3 people using 2013 that say the database won't open. Since I don't have 2013, I haven't been able to look at it yet. Sounds like I have the answer. And some work to do. Carolyn Johnson ----- Original Message ----- From: Charlotte Foust To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2013 12:44 PM Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access 2012 Development Do you mean Access 2013, Arthur? I have it as part of Office 365. The big gotcha in it is that you can't convert open earlier than 2003 from 2013. There are some new capabilities but for desktop type development, they aren't relevant, only if you're using sharepoint, building web apps, or using LightStream. Charlotte On Tue, Aug 13, 2013 at 7:35 AM, Arthur Fuller wrote: > Not much traffic here lately. Has anyone used Access 2012 for development? > IF so, does it offer much that 2007 and 2010 don't? > > -- > Arthur > Cell: 647.710.1314 > > Prediction is difficult, especially of the future. > -- Niels Bohr > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fhtapia at gmail.com Tue Aug 13 16:05:58 2013 From: fhtapia at gmail.com (Francisco Tapia) Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2013 14:05:58 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Access 2007 to SQL Server 2008 over the internet(Cross Posted) In-Reply-To: <007d01ce984f$b6a75120$23f5f360$@gmail.com> References: <005701ce9828$a0f0ea20$e2d2be60$@gmail.com> <007d01ce984f$b6a75120$23f5f360$@gmail.com> Message-ID: I haven't worked in Access for some time now, but one thing to keep in mind is that Access used to create at least 3 connections for each session, which works well on a quiet, fine tuned network, but over a latency internet connection could be problematic. If you swap out the default connection objects in Access and unbind each form, and instead create ado connections back to Sql Server, you might be able to combat these latency issues if they should arise. -Francisco On Tue, Aug 13, 2013 at 11:05 AM, Jeff B wrote: > What I was thinking of doing was to run the Access FE from the users laptop > or desktop and host the data on a SQL Server. I also have an ASP website > connected to the same data on the SQL Server. > > Worst case, I was hoping to demo the entire project to prospective clients; > best case, I was hoping to host the entire project for clients. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust > Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2013 12:46 PM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access 2007 to SQL Server 2008 over the > internet(Cross Posted) > > When you say over the internet, are you talking about cloud services or > something else? > > Charlotte > > On Tue, Aug 13, 2013 at 6:25 AM, Jeff B wrote: > > > Does anyone have experience doing this? I have a need to test it out > > for reliability and feasibility. > > > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2013.0.3392 / Virus Database: 3211/6574 - Release Date: 08/13/13 > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Tue Aug 13 16:13:23 2013 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2013 07:13:23 +1000 Subject: [AccessD] Access 2007 to SQL Server 2008 over the internet(Cross Posted) In-Reply-To: References: <005701ce9828$a0f0ea20$e2d2be60$@gmail.com>, <007d01ce984f$b6a75120$23f5f360$@gmail.com>, Message-ID: <520AA173.11099.A77633AD@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Agreed. I'd be very wary of running bound forms over the internet. -- Stuart On 13 Aug 2013 at 14:05, Francisco Tapia wrote: > I haven't worked in Access for some time now, but one thing to keep in mind > is that Access used to create at least 3 connections for each session, > which works well on a quiet, fine tuned network, but over a latency > internet connection could be problematic. If you swap out the default > connection objects in Access and unbind each form, and instead create ado > connections back to Sql Server, you might be able to combat these latency > issues if they should arise. > > > > -Francisco > > > > > On Tue, Aug 13, 2013 at 11:05 AM, Jeff B wrote: > > > What I was thinking of doing was to run the Access FE from the users laptop > > or desktop and host the data on a SQL Server. I also have an ASP website > > connected to the same data on the SQL Server. > > > > Worst case, I was hoping to demo the entire project to prospective clients; > > best case, I was hoping to host the entire project for clients. > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust > > Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2013 12:46 PM > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access 2007 to SQL Server 2008 over the > > internet(Cross Posted) > > > > When you say over the internet, are you talking about cloud services or > > something else? > > > > Charlotte > > > > On Tue, Aug 13, 2013 at 6:25 AM, Jeff B wrote: > > > > > Does anyone have experience doing this? I have a need to test it out > > > for reliability and feasibility. > > > > > > -- > > > AccessD mailing list > > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > ----- > > No virus found in this message. > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > Version: 2013.0.3392 / Virus Database: 3211/6574 - Release Date: 08/13/13 > > > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From marksimms at verizon.net Tue Aug 13 17:35:05 2013 From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms) Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2013 18:35:05 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Access 2007 to SQL Server 2008 over the internet(CrossPosted) In-Reply-To: References: <005701ce9828$a0f0ea20$e2d2be60$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <022e01ce9875$5c3c62e0$14b528a0$@net> LATENCY: This is the huge "gotcha" of cloud computing that SalesForce and the others NEVER MENTION. It can get quite depressing. Some days you get reports displayed in 1 minute, on others, it could be 10 minutes. > Jeff, > > I only know one developer that's tried Azure (and he's a good > developer) a > year or so back and he gave up on it. Too much latency. > From accessd at shaw.ca Tue Aug 13 19:03:04 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2013 18:03:04 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [AccessD] Access 2007 to SQL Server 2008 over the internet(Cross Posted) In-Reply-To: <520AA173.11099.A77633AD@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <625644108.29654443.1376438584420.JavaMail.root@cds002> >From experience it is impossible... Absolutely guaranteed corruption...of course with a real SQL DB at the BE why would anyone do that? Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stuart McLachlan" To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2013 2:13:23 PM Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access 2007 to SQL Server 2008 over the internet(Cross Posted) Agreed. I'd be very wary of running bound forms over the internet. -- Stuart On 13 Aug 2013 at 14:05, Francisco Tapia wrote: > I haven't worked in Access for some time now, but one thing to keep in mind > is that Access used to create at least 3 connections for each session, > which works well on a quiet, fine tuned network, but over a latency > internet connection could be problematic. If you swap out the default > connection objects in Access and unbind each form, and instead create ado > connections back to Sql Server, you might be able to combat these latency > issues if they should arise. > > > > -Francisco > > > > > On Tue, Aug 13, 2013 at 11:05 AM, Jeff B wrote: > > > What I was thinking of doing was to run the Access FE from the users laptop > > or desktop and host the data on a SQL Server. I also have an ASP website > > connected to the same data on the SQL Server. > > > > Worst case, I was hoping to demo the entire project to prospective clients; > > best case, I was hoping to host the entire project for clients. > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust > > Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2013 12:46 PM > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access 2007 to SQL Server 2008 over the > > internet(Cross Posted) > > > > When you say over the internet, are you talking about cloud services or > > something else? > > > > Charlotte > > > > On Tue, Aug 13, 2013 at 6:25 AM, Jeff B wrote: > > > > > Does anyone have experience doing this? I have a need to test it out > > > for reliability and feasibility. > > > > > > -- > > > AccessD mailing list > > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > ----- > > No virus found in this message. > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > Version: 2013.0.3392 / Virus Database: 3211/6574 - Release Date: 08/13/13 > > > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au Tue Aug 13 19:41:52 2013 From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins) Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2013 00:41:52 +0000 Subject: [AccessD] Access 2007 to SQL Server 2008 over the internet(Cross Posted) In-Reply-To: References: <005701ce9828$a0f0ea20$e2d2be60$@gmail.com> <007d01ce984f$b6a75120$23f5f360$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <3c49b4bd9bd64398a42bbfda69063106@SIXPR04MB048.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com> Agreed. ADO and unbound is the only way to go with this. Also move all the Access queries to Stored procs or Views Server side and call them from Access. Let SQL Server do all the work and just bring in the results to Access. Cheers Darryl -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Francisco Tapia Sent: Wednesday, 14 August 2013 7:06 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access 2007 to SQL Server 2008 over the internet(Cross Posted) I haven't worked in Access for some time now, but one thing to keep in mind is that Access used to create at least 3 connections for each session, which works well on a quiet, fine tuned network, but over a latency internet connection could be problematic. If you swap out the default connection objects in Access and unbind each form, and instead create ado connections back to Sql Server, you might be able to combat these latency issues if they should arise. -Francisco On Tue, Aug 13, 2013 at 11:05 AM, Jeff B wrote: > What I was thinking of doing was to run the Access FE from the users > laptop or desktop and host the data on a SQL Server. I also have an > ASP website connected to the same data on the SQL Server. > > Worst case, I was hoping to demo the entire project to prospective > clients; best case, I was hoping to host the entire project for clients. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte > Foust > Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2013 12:46 PM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access 2007 to SQL Server 2008 over the > internet(Cross Posted) > > When you say over the internet, are you talking about cloud services > or something else? > > Charlotte > > On Tue, Aug 13, 2013 at 6:25 AM, Jeff B wrote: > > > Does anyone have experience doing this? I have a need to test it > > out for reliability and feasibility. > > > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2013.0.3392 / Virus Database: 3211/6574 - Release Date: > 08/13/13 > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From darren at activebilling.com.au Tue Aug 13 20:22:32 2013 From: darren at activebilling.com.au (Darren) Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2013 11:22:32 +1000 Subject: [AccessD] A2003 - Clear Web Browser Control Contents Message-ID: <014701ce988c$c1dafa00$4590ee00$@activebilling.com.au> Hi All, I have a web browser control on a form that allows users to 'drag' files from their desktops to get the file name of the 'dropped' file. Works a treat. But it seems I can only offer users one go, as I then have to close the form to 'reset' the contents of the Browser control. As once a file has been 'opened' in the browser control (E.g. a CSV file) users are not permitted to 'drag' a second or subsequent file to that browser control. I have tried Me. actXWebBrowserControl.Navigate "" and a few other things but to no avail and with varying error messages. All I'm really using it for is to get the file name of the 'dropped' file and then run other tasks that' import' this file, once the file name is known. Being able to see the contents of the file is irrelevant and I'd like to be able to simply drag and drop files to the browser control one after the other. Any thoughts? Here's my Code so far that gets the file name and then I run other tasks after that ? this will wrap so be aware ? Private Sub actXWebBrowserControl_BeforeNavigate2(ByVal pDisp As Object, URL As Variant, Flags As Variant, TargetFrameName As Variant, PostData As Variant, Headers As Variant, Cancel As Boolean) Me.txtAssumedFilePath = URL MsgBox me.txtAssumedFilePath End Sub From darren at activebilling.com.au Tue Aug 13 20:54:25 2013 From: darren at activebilling.com.au (Darren) Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2013 11:54:25 +1000 Subject: [AccessD] A2003 - Clear Web Browser Control Contents Message-ID: <016b01ce9891$3645d870$a2d18950$@activebilling.com.au> Hi All, I have a web browser control on a form that allows users to 'drag' files from their desktops to get the file name of the 'dropped' file. Works a treat. But it seems I can only offer users one go, as I then have to close the form to 'reset' the contents of the Browser control. As once a file has been 'opened' in the browser control (E.g. a CSV file) users are not permitted to 'drag' a second or subsequent file to that browser control. I have tried Me. actXWebBrowserControl.Navigate "" and a few other things but to no avail and with varying error messages. All I'm really using it for is to get the file name of the 'dropped' file and then run other tasks that' import' this file, once the file name is known. Being able to see the contents of the file is irrelevant and I'd like to be able to simply drag and drop files to the browser control one after the other. Any thoughts? Here's my Code so far that gets the file name and then I run other tasks after that ? this will wrap so be aware ? Private Sub actXWebBrowserControl_BeforeNavigate2(ByVal pDisp As Object, URL As Variant, Flags As Variant, TargetFrameName As Variant, PostData As Variant, Headers As Variant, Cancel As Boolean) Me.txtAssumedFilePath = URL MsgBox me.txtAssumedFilePath End Sub From accessd at shaw.ca Tue Aug 13 21:07:01 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2013 20:07:01 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [AccessD] Access 2007 to SQL Server 2008 over the internet(CrossPosted) In-Reply-To: <022e01ce9875$5c3c62e0$14b528a0$@net> Message-ID: <417317378.29719774.1376446021384.JavaMail.root@cds002> Hi Mark: It all seems like the old days. We use to run our systems through dumb terminals connected to the main-frame and now we are basically doing exactly the same thing. I want my PC back. :-( Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Simms" To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2013 3:35:05 PM Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access 2007 to SQL Server 2008 over the internet(CrossPosted) LATENCY: This is the huge "gotcha" of cloud computing that SalesForce and the others NEVER MENTION. It can get quite depressing. Some days you get reports displayed in 1 minute, on others, it could be 10 minutes. > Jeff, > > I only know one developer that's tried Azure (and he's a good > developer) a > year or so back and he gave up on it. Too much latency. > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Tue Aug 13 21:54:15 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2013 20:54:15 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [AccessD] A2003 - Clear Web Browser Control Contents In-Reply-To: <014701ce988c$c1dafa00$4590ee00$@activebilling.com.au> Message-ID: <441072422.29745270.1376448855580.JavaMail.root@cds002> Off the top...would something as simple as On Lost Focus > me.refresh work? Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Darren" To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2013 6:22:32 PM Subject: [AccessD] A2003 - Clear Web Browser Control Contents Hi All, I have a web browser control on a form that allows users to 'drag' files from their desktops to get the file name of the 'dropped' file. Works a treat. But it seems I can only offer users one go, as I then have to close the form to 'reset' the contents of the Browser control. As once a file has been 'opened' in the browser control (E.g. a CSV file) users are not permitted to 'drag' a second or subsequent file to that browser control. I have tried Me. actXWebBrowserControl.Navigate "" and a few other things but to no avail and with varying error messages. All I'm really using it for is to get the file name of the 'dropped' file and then run other tasks that' import' this file, once the file name is known. Being able to see the contents of the file is irrelevant and I'd like to be able to simply drag and drop files to the browser control one after the other. Any thoughts? Here's my Code so far that gets the file name and then I run other tasks after that ? this will wrap so be aware ? Private Sub actXWebBrowserControl_BeforeNavigate2(ByVal pDisp As Object, URL As Variant, Flags As Variant, TargetFrameName As Variant, PostData As Variant, Headers As Variant, Cancel As Boolean) Me.txtAssumedFilePath = URL MsgBox me.txtAssumedFilePath End Sub -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jimdettman at verizon.net Wed Aug 14 08:46:14 2013 From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman) Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2013 09:46:14 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Access 2007 to SQL Server 2008 over the internet(Cross Posted) In-Reply-To: <520AA173.11099.A77633AD@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: <005701ce9828$a0f0ea20$e2d2be60$@gmail.com>, <007d01ce984f$b6a75120$23f5f360$@gmail.com>, <520AA173.11099.A77633AD@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <6A7D408B6D924369A8BB62C8CFC7C865@XPS> <> Actually, one company is running apps as an Access FE with a SQL Server BE over the internet and does fairly well with it even with bound forms. They have some great tips here (which I believe I've posted in the past). See "the best of both worlds" here: http://www.jstreettech.com/cartgenie/pg_developerDownloads.asp But what it boils down to as we have discussed in the past, is that an Access based app needs some re-work to do that well. But if your talking a Access FE to Azure (SQL Server in the cloud), it just doesn't work and I know of no one that's doing that. I also know of very few that are trying Web Apps in Access 2013. If you think Access 2007/2010 landed with a thud in regards to web stuff, Access 2013 seems to have landed with an even bigger thud. Their just too restrictive and offer no upgrade path for existing users. Personally I think Microsoft has stepped a little too far ahead of the curve this time and shot themselves in the foot. They've left no migration path for existing apps and now from 2007 on up have offered nothing new on the desktop side. I can see Access morphing into a strictly end user tool, with nothing more then being able to do web based forms and CRUD operations. Recently an entry appeared on an Access blog suggesting that for an Access Web app, *Excel* be used for reporting. That was troubling indeed. Jim. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2013 05:13 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access 2007 to SQL Server 2008 over the internet(Cross Posted) Agreed. I'd be very wary of running bound forms over the internet. -- Stuart On 13 Aug 2013 at 14:05, Francisco Tapia wrote: > I haven't worked in Access for some time now, but one thing to keep in mind > is that Access used to create at least 3 connections for each session, > which works well on a quiet, fine tuned network, but over a latency > internet connection could be problematic. If you swap out the default > connection objects in Access and unbind each form, and instead create ado > connections back to Sql Server, you might be able to combat these latency > issues if they should arise. > > > > -Francisco > > > > > On Tue, Aug 13, 2013 at 11:05 AM, Jeff B wrote: > > > What I was thinking of doing was to run the Access FE from the users laptop > > or desktop and host the data on a SQL Server. I also have an ASP website > > connected to the same data on the SQL Server. > > > > Worst case, I was hoping to demo the entire project to prospective clients; > > best case, I was hoping to host the entire project for clients. > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust > > Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2013 12:46 PM > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access 2007 to SQL Server 2008 over the > > internet(Cross Posted) > > > > When you say over the internet, are you talking about cloud services or > > something else? > > > > Charlotte > > > > On Tue, Aug 13, 2013 at 6:25 AM, Jeff B wrote: > > > > > Does anyone have experience doing this? I have a need to test it out > > > for reliability and feasibility. > > > > > > -- > > > AccessD mailing list > > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > ----- > > No virus found in this message. > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > Version: 2013.0.3392 / Virus Database: 3211/6574 - Release Date: 08/13/13 > > > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jeff.developer at gmail.com Wed Aug 14 08:49:55 2013 From: jeff.developer at gmail.com (Jeff B) Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2013 08:49:55 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Access 2007 to SQL Server 2008 over the internet(Cross Posted) Message-ID: <004201ce98f5$299ede50$7cdc9af0$@gmail.com> OK, so after reading all of the responses, I have made an 'executive' decision. I have decided to look into rewriting the whole thing in vb.net. Sounds like some job security to me! Thanks to everyone that chimed in on this! Jeff Barrows MCP, MCAD, MCSD ? Racine, WI jeff.developer at gmail.com -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darryl Collins Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2013 7:42 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access 2007 to SQL Server 2008 over the internet(Cross Posted) Agreed. ADO and unbound is the only way to go with this. Also move all the Access queries to Stored procs or Views Server side and call them from Access. Let SQL Server do all the work and just bring in the results to Access. Cheers Darryl -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Francisco Tapia Sent: Wednesday, 14 August 2013 7:06 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access 2007 to SQL Server 2008 over the internet(Cross Posted) I haven't worked in Access for some time now, but one thing to keep in mind is that Access used to create at least 3 connections for each session, which works well on a quiet, fine tuned network, but over a latency internet connection could be problematic. If you swap out the default connection objects in Access and unbind each form, and instead create ado connections back to Sql Server, you might be able to combat these latency issues if they should arise. -Francisco On Tue, Aug 13, 2013 at 11:05 AM, Jeff B wrote: > What I was thinking of doing was to run the Access FE from the users > laptop or desktop and host the data on a SQL Server. I also have an > ASP website connected to the same data on the SQL Server. > > Worst case, I was hoping to demo the entire project to prospective > clients; best case, I was hoping to host the entire project for clients. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte > Foust > Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2013 12:46 PM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access 2007 to SQL Server 2008 over the > internet(Cross Posted) > > When you say over the internet, are you talking about cloud services > or something else? > > Charlotte > > On Tue, Aug 13, 2013 at 6:25 AM, Jeff B wrote: > > > Does anyone have experience doing this? I have a need to test it > > out for reliability and feasibility. > > > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2013.0.3392 / Virus Database: 3211/6574 - Release Date: > 08/13/13 > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.3392 / Virus Database: 3211/6574 - Release Date: 08/13/13 From fuller.artful at gmail.com Wed Aug 14 10:18:22 2013 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2013 11:18:22 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Access 2012 Development In-Reply-To: <824004D390CA418B9588B909A7EF96D1@Dell> References: <824004D390CA418B9588B909A7EF96D1@Dell> Message-ID: Regarding web development, I have abandoned everything Access and switched entirely to Alpha Anywhere. It's so much more powerful and flexible that there is no comparison. The XBasic programming is so much more powerful than VBA it's ridiculous. From a web point of view perhaps the most amazing thing is Write Once, Play Anywhere. The same app will run on smart phones, tablets, and traditional web browsers. It supports HTML5, Javascript and several others. It talks to every conceivable back end. Its sample apps blow the doors off the few and trivial samples offered with Access. I could go on, but instead I'll just suggest that you download a copy of the trial version and take it for a spin. Tell 'em I sent ya :) Arthur On Tue, Aug 13, 2013 at 2:45 PM, Carolyn Johnson wrote: > You can't open a 2000 version database in 2013? Uggh. That explains > all the crashing. I have several databases that I've kept as 2000 format > because I still have users with it (well, maybe not now, but I still have > 2003 users and I like 2000 better). > > I've had 3 people using 2013 that say the database won't open. Since I > don't have 2013, I haven't been able to look at it yet. Sounds like I > have the answer. And some work to do. > > > Carolyn Johnson > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Charlotte Foust > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2013 12:44 PM > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access 2012 Development > > > Do you mean Access 2013, Arthur? I have it as part of Office 365. The > big > gotcha in it is that you can't convert open earlier than 2003 from 2013. > There are some new capabilities but for desktop type development, they > aren't relevant, only if you're using sharepoint, building web apps, or > using LightStream. > > Charlotte > > On Tue, Aug 13, 2013 at 7:35 AM, Arthur Fuller >wrote: > > > Not much traffic here lately. Has anyone used Access 2012 for > development? > > IF so, does it offer much that 2007 and 2010 don't? > > > > -- > > Arthur > > Cell: 647.710.1314 > > > > Prediction is difficult, especially of the future. > > -- Niels Bohr > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Arthur From charlotte.foust at gmail.com Wed Aug 14 11:59:54 2013 From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust) Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2013 09:59:54 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Access 2012 Development In-Reply-To: References: <824004D390CA418B9588B909A7EF96D1@Dell> Message-ID: Arthur, I did download it, but I didn't feel inclined to learn yet another dialect of Basic, especially when I saw the price! Charlotte On Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 8:18 AM, Arthur Fuller wrote: > Regarding web development, I have abandoned everything Access and switched > entirely to Alpha Anywhere. It's so much more powerful and flexible that > there is no comparison. The XBasic programming is so much more powerful > than VBA it's ridiculous. From a web point of view perhaps the most > amazing thing is Write Once, Play Anywhere. The same app will run on smart > phones, tablets, and traditional web browsers. It supports HTML5, > Javascript and several others. It talks to every conceivable back end. Its > sample apps blow the doors off the few and trivial samples offered with > Access. I could go on, but instead I'll just suggest that you download a > copy of the trial version and take it for a spin. Tell 'em I sent ya :) > > Arthur > > > On Tue, Aug 13, 2013 at 2:45 PM, Carolyn Johnson wrote: > > > You can't open a 2000 version database in 2013? Uggh. That explains > > all the crashing. I have several databases that I've kept as 2000 > format > > because I still have users with it (well, maybe not now, but I still have > > 2003 users and I like 2000 better). > > > > I've had 3 people using 2013 that say the database won't open. Since I > > don't have 2013, I haven't been able to look at it yet. Sounds like I > > have the answer. And some work to do. > > > > > > Carolyn Johnson > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Charlotte Foust > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > > Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2013 12:44 PM > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access 2012 Development > > > > > > Do you mean Access 2013, Arthur? I have it as part of Office 365. The > > big > > gotcha in it is that you can't convert open earlier than 2003 from > 2013. > > There are some new capabilities but for desktop type development, they > > aren't relevant, only if you're using sharepoint, building web apps, or > > using LightStream. > > > > Charlotte > > > > On Tue, Aug 13, 2013 at 7:35 AM, Arthur Fuller < > fuller.artful at gmail.com > > >wrote: > > > > > Not much traffic here lately. Has anyone used Access 2012 for > > development? > > > IF so, does it offer much that 2007 and 2010 don't? > > > > > > -- > > > Arthur > > > Cell: 647.710.1314 > > > > > > Prediction is difficult, especially of the future. > > > -- Niels Bohr > > > -- > > > AccessD mailing list > > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > -- > Arthur > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From charlotte.foust at gmail.com Wed Aug 14 12:16:54 2013 From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust) Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2013 10:16:54 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Access 2007 to SQL Server 2008 over the internet(Cross Posted) In-Reply-To: <6A7D408B6D924369A8BB62C8CFC7C865@XPS> References: <005701ce9828$a0f0ea20$e2d2be60$@gmail.com> <007d01ce984f$b6a75120$23f5f360$@gmail.com> <520AA173.11099.A77633AD@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <6A7D408B6D924369A8BB62C8CFC7C865@XPS> Message-ID: Armen has some excellent tools, and he really knows what he's talking about. I met him in May at the Portland Access Users Group annual conference. Charlotte On Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 6:46 AM, Jim Dettman wrote: > <> > > Actually, one company is running apps as an Access FE with a SQL Server BE > over the internet and does fairly well with it even with bound forms. > > They have some great tips here (which I believe I've posted in the past). > See "the best of both worlds" here: > > http://www.jstreettech.com/cartgenie/pg_developerDownloads.asp > > But what it boils down to as we have discussed in the past, is that an > Access based app needs some re-work to do that well. > > But if your talking a Access FE to Azure (SQL Server in the cloud), it > just > doesn't work and I know of no one that's doing that. > > I also know of very few that are trying Web Apps in Access 2013. If you > think Access 2007/2010 landed with a thud in regards to web stuff, Access > 2013 seems to have landed with an even bigger thud. Their just too > restrictive and offer no upgrade path for existing users. > > Personally I think Microsoft has stepped a little too far ahead of the > curve this time and shot themselves in the foot. They've left no migration > path for existing apps and now from 2007 on up have offered nothing new on > the desktop side. > > I can see Access morphing into a strictly end user tool, with nothing more > then being able to do web based forms and CRUD operations. > > Recently an entry appeared on an Access blog suggesting that for an Access > Web app, *Excel* be used for reporting. That was troubling indeed. > > Jim. > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart > McLachlan > Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2013 05:13 PM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access 2007 to SQL Server 2008 over the > internet(Cross Posted) > > Agreed. I'd be very wary of running bound forms over the internet. > > -- > Stuart > > On 13 Aug 2013 at 14:05, Francisco Tapia wrote: > > > I haven't worked in Access for some time now, but one thing to keep in > mind > > is that Access used to create at least 3 connections for each session, > > which works well on a quiet, fine tuned network, but over a latency > > internet connection could be problematic. If you swap out the default > > connection objects in Access and unbind each form, and instead create ado > > connections back to Sql Server, you might be able to combat these latency > > issues if they should arise. > > > > > > > > -Francisco > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Aug 13, 2013 at 11:05 AM, Jeff B > wrote: > > > > > What I was thinking of doing was to run the Access FE from the users > laptop > > > or desktop and host the data on a SQL Server. I also have an ASP > website > > > connected to the same data on the SQL Server. > > > > > > Worst case, I was hoping to demo the entire project to prospective > clients; > > > best case, I was hoping to host the entire project for clients. > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte > Foust > > > Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2013 12:46 PM > > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access 2007 to SQL Server 2008 over the > > > internet(Cross Posted) > > > > > > When you say over the internet, are you talking about cloud services or > > > something else? > > > > > > Charlotte > > > > > > On Tue, Aug 13, 2013 at 6:25 AM, Jeff B > wrote: > > > > > > > Does anyone have experience doing this? I have a need to test it out > > > > for reliability and feasibility. > > > > > > > > -- > > > > AccessD mailing list > > > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > -- > > > AccessD mailing list > > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > ----- > > > No virus found in this message. > > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > > Version: 2013.0.3392 / Virus Database: 3211/6574 - Release Date: > 08/13/13 > > > > > > -- > > > AccessD mailing list > > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From davidmcafee at gmail.com Wed Aug 14 14:42:41 2013 From: davidmcafee at gmail.com (David McAfee) Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2013 12:42:41 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] OK, I have a weird one...Filter is case sensitive? Message-ID: I had a user call me saying she could not find a customer when filtering by the account number. She was able to see the customer in another screen, so she knows it should show up. I asked her for the CustNo, and I filtered the datasheet sub form by right clicking on the custno field and choosing the appropriate filter menu items. I asked her, over the phone, to do the same. When she still wasn't getting the expected results, I figured she was doing something wrong and went over to her desk. She was doing it right. I did notice that she was using lower case letters, which shouldn't matter. I asked her to use all caps. She did and the filter worked! I thought, how weird. Came back to my desk and it filters in lower case or upper case. Is there a setting somewhere that would affect how a filter filters? A2007 & A2010. Thanks, David From dw-murphy at cox.net Wed Aug 14 15:45:22 2013 From: dw-murphy at cox.net (Doug Murphy) Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2013 13:45:22 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Access 2012 Development In-Reply-To: References: <824004D390CA418B9588B909A7EF96D1@Dell> Message-ID: <008601ce992f$3258b4f0$970a1ed0$@cox.net> For Silverlight desktop development and HTML 5 web application development MS LightSwitch seems a reasonable choice. Web apps can be hosted on many commercial windows hosting services at low cost. LightSwitch also can be used for rapid desktop development. Unfortunately it won't connect to an mdb/accdb as far as I can tell. Luke Chung at FMS has a couple of papers on LightSwitch relating it to Access Developers. See http://www.fmsinc.com/microsoftaccess/lightswitch/index.html and http://www.fmsinc.com/microsoftaccess/lightswitch/platform/index.html. For serious app development for all platforms Xamarin (http://xamarin.com/ ) seems like a good platform for C# conversant folks. None of these require ongoing licensing fees or hosting licenses and have reasonable purchase prices. I have only played a little with LightSwitch and not at all with Xarin. Just looking at options if we ever need to do app development. Doug -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2013 10:00 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access 2012 Development Arthur, I did download it, but I didn't feel inclined to learn yet another dialect of Basic, especially when I saw the price! Charlotte On Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 8:18 AM, Arthur Fuller < fuller.artful at gmail.com>wrote: > Regarding web development, I have abandoned everything Access and > switched entirely to Alpha Anywhere. It's so much more powerful and > flexible that there is no comparison. The XBasic programming is so > much more powerful than VBA it's ridiculous. From a web point of view > perhaps the most amazing thing is Write Once, Play Anywhere. The same > app will run on smart phones, tablets, and traditional web browsers. > It supports HTML5, Javascript and several others. It talks to every > conceivable back end. Its sample apps blow the doors off the few and > trivial samples offered with Access. I could go on, but instead I'll > just suggest that you download a copy of the trial version and take it > for a spin. Tell 'em I sent ya :) > > Arthur > > > On Tue, Aug 13, 2013 at 2:45 PM, Carolyn Johnson < cjlabs at att.net> wrote: > > > You can't open a 2000 version database in 2013? Uggh. That explains > > all the crashing. I have several databases that I've kept as 2000 > format > > because I still have users with it (well, maybe not now, but I still > > have > > 2003 users and I like 2000 better). > > > > I've had 3 people using 2013 that say the database won't open. Since I > > don't have 2013, I haven't been able to look at it yet. Sounds like I > > have the answer. And some work to do. > > > > > > Carolyn Johnson > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Charlotte Foust > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > > Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2013 12:44 PM > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access 2012 Development > > > > > > Do you mean Access 2013, Arthur? I have it as part of Office 365. > > The big > > gotcha in it is that you can't convert open earlier than 2003 from > 2013. > > There are some new capabilities but for desktop type development, they > > aren't relevant, only if you're using sharepoint, building web apps, or > > using LightStream. > > > > Charlotte > > > > On Tue, Aug 13, 2013 at 7:35 AM, Arthur Fuller < > fuller.artful at gmail.com > > >wrote: > > > > > Not much traffic here lately. Has anyone used Access 2012 for > > development? > > > IF so, does it offer much that 2007 and 2010 don't? > > > > > > -- > > > Arthur > > > Cell: 647.710.1314 > > > > > > Prediction is difficult, especially of the future. > > > -- Niels Bohr > > > -- > > > AccessD mailing list > > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > -- > Arthur > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Wed Aug 14 17:05:18 2013 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2013 18:05:18 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Access 2012 Development In-Reply-To: References: <824004D390CA418B9588B909A7EF96D1@Dell> Message-ID: XBasic is truly object-oriented (i.e. inheritance + polymorphism) and uses a very consistent dot syntax. Granted, it's quite different than VBA, but a whole lot more powerful. I'd say that the only fair comparison is to Visual Studio, and given the choice between a free copy of each, I'd take Alpha Anywhere anyday, as it were. Write an app once, connect it to any ODBC database you wish, or even to an Access MDB, and run it anywhere -- smart phone, tablet, or web on a desktop/laptop, with no changes to the code. >From the POV of an Access developer is how disconcerting it can feel initially how little code you have to write. There are dozens of wizards and "genies", which vaguely relate to the primitive Access wizards and the property sheets of forms and controls. Alpha Anywhere exposes many more events for these controls (that's a good thing). The names of the events are occasionally the same, but often are synonyms. I'm at work on producing a map between Access events at the application, form and control levels, and their AA equivalents, as my small "Pay It Forward" contribution to the community. Finally, AA provides a wealth of videos that show you, step by step, how to accomplish various tasks and build apps. Download the trial, run through the samples (some of them are for web-apps and some for desktop apps, and one or two illustrate an introduction to XBasic code). Access developers feeling daunted by the complexity of doing a web app using whatever tools MS provides need to download an AA trial and devote a weekend to walking through the samples. A few of them are a tad lame, but most of them demonstrate the ease of designing and running an app. Arthur On Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 12:59 PM, Charlotte Foust wrote: > Arthur, > > I did download it, but I didn't feel inclined to learn yet another dialect > of Basic, especially when I saw the price! > > Charlotte > > > On Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 8:18 AM, Arthur Fuller >wrote: > > > Regarding web development, I have abandoned everything Access and > switched > > entirely to Alpha Anywhere. It's so much more powerful and flexible that > > there is no comparison. The XBasic programming is so much more powerful > > than VBA it's ridiculous. From a web point of view perhaps the most > > amazing thing is Write Once, Play Anywhere. The same app will run on > smart > > phones, tablets, and traditional web browsers. It supports HTML5, > > Javascript and several others. It talks to every conceivable back end. > Its > > sample apps blow the doors off the few and trivial samples offered with > > Access. I could go on, but instead I'll just suggest that you download a > > copy of the trial version and take it for a spin. Tell 'em I sent ya :) > > > > Arthur > > > > > > On Tue, Aug 13, 2013 at 2:45 PM, Carolyn Johnson wrote: > > > > > You can't open a 2000 version database in 2013? Uggh. That explains > > > all the crashing. I have several databases that I've kept as 2000 > > format > > > because I still have users with it (well, maybe not now, but I still > have > > > 2003 users and I like 2000 better). > > > > > > I've had 3 people using 2013 that say the database won't open. Since > I > > > don't have 2013, I haven't been able to look at it yet. Sounds like I > > > have the answer. And some work to do. > > > > > > > > > Carolyn Johnson > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: Charlotte Foust > > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > > > Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2013 12:44 PM > > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access 2012 Development > > > > > > > > > Do you mean Access 2013, Arthur? I have it as part of Office 365. > The > > > big > > > gotcha in it is that you can't convert open earlier than 2003 from > > 2013. > > > There are some new capabilities but for desktop type development, > they > > > aren't relevant, only if you're using sharepoint, building web apps, > or > > > using LightStream. > > > > > > Charlotte > > > > > > On Tue, Aug 13, 2013 at 7:35 AM, Arthur Fuller < > > fuller.artful at gmail.com > > > >wrote: > > > > > > > Not much traffic here lately. Has anyone used Access 2012 for > > > development? > > > > IF so, does it offer much that 2007 and 2010 don't? > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Arthur > > > > Cell: 647.710.1314 > > > > > > > > Prediction is difficult, especially of the future. > > > > -- Niels Bohr > > > > -- > > > > AccessD mailing list > > > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > -- > > > AccessD mailing list > > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- > > > AccessD mailing list > > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Arthur > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Arthur From fuller.artful at gmail.com Wed Aug 14 17:55:12 2013 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2013 18:55:12 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] OK, I have a weird one...Filter is case sensitive? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi David, Yeah, there is a flag available that decides what to do in the L/U case situation I forget exactly where it is, but try Big Button, then the Access Options button, and then wander around that screen. I'm pretty sure it's there on that screen. Might require a PageDown or two to see it. Vague I know, but I'm relatively confident that it's there somewhere; and there, once you find it, it leads to two choices: "for this app" and "for all apps". Arthur On Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 3:42 PM, David McAfee wrote: > I had a user call me saying she could not find a customer when filtering by > the account number. > She was able to see the customer in another screen, so she knows it should > show up. > > I asked her for the CustNo, and I filtered the datasheet sub form by right > clicking on the custno field and choosing the appropriate filter menu > items. > > I asked her, over the phone, to do the same. > > When she still wasn't getting the expected results, I figured she was doing > something wrong and went over to her desk. > > She was doing it right. I did notice that she was using lower case letters, > which shouldn't matter. > > I asked her to use all caps. She did and the filter worked! > > I thought, how weird. > > Came back to my desk and it filters in lower case or upper case. > > Is there a setting somewhere that would affect how a filter filters? > > A2007 & A2010. > > Thanks, > David > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Arthur From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au Wed Aug 14 18:26:20 2013 From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins) Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2013 23:26:20 +0000 Subject: [AccessD] Access 2012 Development In-Reply-To: References: <824004D390CA418B9588B909A7EF96D1@Dell>, Message-ID: I looked at this product, and if you require that sort of x-platform power and flexibility it seems like a great solution, although it is not inexpensive. I don't mind the cost so much as things of quality and reliability are rarely free or cheap. Besides, if they are making some coin they can continue to invest in the business and also keep supporting the product Although like others on this list I don't find a huge amount of joy in having to learn a new language and syntax. Must be getting old as when I was young I would just dive in and see what happens. For the sort of work I do these days, Access is still the best solution, but what we do is very 'in house' and needs to be highly flexible and easy to integrate with Excel and external data sources - there is little to no need to access the data via anything other than the PC on the server. Access is ideal for this, although the 2GB limit is sometimes annoying as we work with some very large datasets. So maybe one day, but not for me right now. This is nothing against their product. More it is not the right solution for what we need. That said, I have recommended them to others before, where I feel it would be a useful solution. cheers Darryl ________________________________________ From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com on behalf of Arthur Fuller Sent: Thursday, 15 August 2013 1:18 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access 2012 Development Regarding web development, I have abandoned everything Access and switched entirely to Alpha Anywhere. It's so much more powerful and flexible that there is no comparison. The XBasic programming is so much more powerful than VBA it's ridiculous. From a web point of view perhaps the most amazing thing is Write Once, Play Anywhere. The same app will run on smart phones, tablets, and traditional web browsers. It supports HTML5, Javascript and several others. It talks to every conceivable back end. Its sample apps blow the doors off the few and trivial samples offered with Access. I could go on, but instead I'll just suggest that you download a copy of the trial version and take it for a spin. Tell 'em I sent ya :) Arthur On Tue, Aug 13, 2013 at 2:45 PM, Carolyn Johnson wrote: > You can't open a 2000 version database in 2013? Uggh. That explains > all the crashing. I have several databases that I've kept as 2000 format > because I still have users with it (well, maybe not now, but I still have > 2003 users and I like 2000 better). > > I've had 3 people using 2013 that say the database won't open. Since I > don't have 2013, I haven't been able to look at it yet. Sounds like I > have the answer. And some work to do. > > > Carolyn Johnson > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Charlotte Foust > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2013 12:44 PM > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access 2012 Development > > > Do you mean Access 2013, Arthur? I have it as part of Office 365. The > big > gotcha in it is that you can't convert open earlier than 2003 from 2013. > There are some new capabilities but for desktop type development, they > aren't relevant, only if you're using sharepoint, building web apps, or > using LightStream. > > Charlotte > > On Tue, Aug 13, 2013 at 7:35 AM, Arthur Fuller >wrote: > > > Not much traffic here lately. Has anyone used Access 2012 for > development? > > IF so, does it offer much that 2007 and 2010 don't? > > > > -- > > Arthur > > Cell: 647.710.1314 > > > > Prediction is difficult, especially of the future. > > -- Niels Bohr > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Arthur -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From darren at activebilling.com.au Wed Aug 14 18:41:57 2013 From: darren at activebilling.com.au (Darren) Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2013 09:41:57 +1000 Subject: [AccessD] A2003 - Clear Web Browser Control Contents In-Reply-To: <441072422.29745270.1376448855580.JavaMail.root@cds002> References: <014701ce988c$c1dafa00$4590ee00$@activebilling.com.au> <441072422.29745270.1376448855580.JavaMail.root@cds002> Message-ID: <006401ce9947$deb71030$9c253090$@activebilling.com.au> Hi Jim Thanks for the reply. Taking the focus away from the BrowserControl and doing a form refresh changes nothing. The browser control still 'holds the file open' - has a handle to it. I needed a way to just get the browser control to return to a state of holding open NO file, so I could just drag and drop another. No biggie I have a clunky work around in place - it'll have to do. Again - Many Thanks DArren -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Wednesday, 14 August 2013 12:54 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2003 - Clear Web Browser Control Contents Off the top...would something as simple as On Lost Focus > me.refresh work? Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Darren" To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2013 6:22:32 PM Subject: [AccessD] A2003 - Clear Web Browser Control Contents Hi All, I have a web browser control on a form that allows users to 'drag' files from their desktops to get the file name of the 'dropped' file. Works a treat. But it seems I can only offer users one go, as I then have to close the form to 'reset' the contents of the Browser control. As once a file has been 'opened' in the browser control (E.g. a CSV file) users are not permitted to 'drag' a second or subsequent file to that browser control. I have tried Me. actXWebBrowserControl.Navigate "" and a few other things but to no avail and with varying error messages. All I'm really using it for is to get the file name of the 'dropped' file and then run other tasks that' import' this file, once the file name is known. Being able to see the contents of the file is irrelevant and I'd like to be able to simply drag and drop files to the browser control one after the other. Any thoughts? Here's my Code so far that gets the file name and then I run other tasks after that ? this will wrap so be aware ? Private Sub actXWebBrowserControl_BeforeNavigate2(ByVal pDisp As Object, URL As Variant, Flags As Variant, TargetFrameName As Variant, PostData As Variant, Headers As Variant, Cancel As Boolean) Me.txtAssumedFilePath = URL MsgBox me.txtAssumedFilePath End Sub -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Wed Aug 14 20:00:10 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2013 19:00:10 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [AccessD] A2003 - Clear Web Browser Control Contents In-Reply-To: <006401ce9947$deb71030$9c253090$@activebilling.com.au> Message-ID: <1366403537.30650564.1376528410554.JavaMail.root@cds002> Hi Darren: Can I assume you have referred to Microsoft's explanation of how the control works and have checked how they implement it? http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa752044(v=vs.85).aspx Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Darren" To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2013 4:41:57 PM Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2003 - Clear Web Browser Control Contents Hi Jim Thanks for the reply. Taking the focus away from the BrowserControl and doing a form refresh changes nothing. The browser control still 'holds the file open' - has a handle to it. I needed a way to just get the browser control to return to a state of holding open NO file, so I could just drag and drop another. No biggie I have a clunky work around in place - it'll have to do. Again - Many Thanks DArren -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Wednesday, 14 August 2013 12:54 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2003 - Clear Web Browser Control Contents Off the top...would something as simple as On Lost Focus > me.refresh work? Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Darren" To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2013 6:22:32 PM Subject: [AccessD] A2003 - Clear Web Browser Control Contents Hi All, I have a web browser control on a form that allows users to 'drag' files from their desktops to get the file name of the 'dropped' file. Works a treat. But it seems I can only offer users one go, as I then have to close the form to 'reset' the contents of the Browser control. As once a file has been 'opened' in the browser control (E.g. a CSV file) users are not permitted to 'drag' a second or subsequent file to that browser control. I have tried Me. actXWebBrowserControl.Navigate "" and a few other things but to no avail and with varying error messages. All I'm really using it for is to get the file name of the 'dropped' file and then run other tasks that' import' this file, once the file name is known. Being able to see the contents of the file is irrelevant and I'd like to be able to simply drag and drop files to the browser control one after the other. Any thoughts? Here's my Code so far that gets the file name and then I run other tasks after that ? this will wrap so be aware ? Private Sub actXWebBrowserControl_BeforeNavigate2(ByVal pDisp As Object, URL As Variant, Flags As Variant, TargetFrameName As Variant, PostData As Variant, Headers As Variant, Cancel As Boolean) Me.txtAssumedFilePath = URL MsgBox me.txtAssumedFilePath End Sub -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From marksimms at verizon.net Wed Aug 14 20:09:54 2013 From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms) Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2013 21:09:54 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Access 2012 Development In-Reply-To: References: <824004D390CA418B9588B909A7EF96D1@Dell> Message-ID: <013101ce9954$27020730$75061590$@net> But does it have "intellisense" ? > It's so much more powerful and flexible that there is no comparison. From darren at activebilling.com.au Thu Aug 15 01:45:27 2013 From: darren at activebilling.com.au (Darren) Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2013 16:45:27 +1000 Subject: [AccessD] A2003 - Clear Web Browser Control Contents In-Reply-To: <1366403537.30650564.1376528410554.JavaMail.root@cds002> References: <006401ce9947$deb71030$9c253090$@activebilling.com.au> <1366403537.30650564.1376528410554.JavaMail.root@cds002> Message-ID: <016e01ce9983$082597d0$1870c770$@activebilling.com.au> Hi Jim Assume nothing - I am a luddite and hack Darren -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Thursday, 15 August 2013 11:00 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2003 - Clear Web Browser Control Contents Hi Darren: Can I assume you have referred to Microsoft's explanation of how the control works and have checked how they implement it? http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa752044(v=vs.85).aspx Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Darren" To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2013 4:41:57 PM Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2003 - Clear Web Browser Control Contents Hi Jim Thanks for the reply. Taking the focus away from the BrowserControl and doing a form refresh changes nothing. The browser control still 'holds the file open' - has a handle to it. I needed a way to just get the browser control to return to a state of holding open NO file, so I could just drag and drop another. No biggie I have a clunky work around in place - it'll have to do. Again - Many Thanks DArren -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Wednesday, 14 August 2013 12:54 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2003 - Clear Web Browser Control Contents Off the top...would something as simple as On Lost Focus > me.refresh work? Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Darren" To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2013 6:22:32 PM Subject: [AccessD] A2003 - Clear Web Browser Control Contents Hi All, I have a web browser control on a form that allows users to 'drag' files from their desktops to get the file name of the 'dropped' file. Works a treat. But it seems I can only offer users one go, as I then have to close the form to 'reset' the contents of the Browser control. As once a file has been 'opened' in the browser control (E.g. a CSV file) users are not permitted to 'drag' a second or subsequent file to that browser control. I have tried Me. actXWebBrowserControl.Navigate "" and a few other things but to no avail and with varying error messages. All I'm really using it for is to get the file name of the 'dropped' file and then run other tasks that' import' this file, once the file name is known. Being able to see the contents of the file is irrelevant and I'd like to be able to simply drag and drop files to the browser control one after the other. Any thoughts? Here's my Code so far that gets the file name and then I run other tasks after that ? this will wrap so be aware ? Private Sub actXWebBrowserControl_BeforeNavigate2(ByVal pDisp As Object, URL As Variant, Flags As Variant, TargetFrameName As Variant, PostData As Variant, Headers As Variant, Cancel As Boolean) Me.txtAssumedFilePath = URL MsgBox me.txtAssumedFilePath End Sub -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Thu Aug 15 11:23:14 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2013 10:23:14 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [AccessD] A2003 - Clear Web Browser Control Contents In-Reply-To: <016e01ce9983$082597d0$1870c770$@activebilling.com.au> Message-ID: <786421650.31158897.1376583794750.JavaMail.root@cds002> I understand...the more I know, the more I know how little I know. ;-) Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Darren" To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2013 11:45:27 PM Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2003 - Clear Web Browser Control Contents Hi Jim Assume nothing - I am a luddite and hack Darren -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Thursday, 15 August 2013 11:00 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2003 - Clear Web Browser Control Contents Hi Darren: Can I assume you have referred to Microsoft's explanation of how the control works and have checked how they implement it? http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa752044(v=vs.85).aspx Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Darren" To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2013 4:41:57 PM Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2003 - Clear Web Browser Control Contents Hi Jim Thanks for the reply. Taking the focus away from the BrowserControl and doing a form refresh changes nothing. The browser control still 'holds the file open' - has a handle to it. I needed a way to just get the browser control to return to a state of holding open NO file, so I could just drag and drop another. No biggie I have a clunky work around in place - it'll have to do. Again - Many Thanks DArren -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Wednesday, 14 August 2013 12:54 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2003 - Clear Web Browser Control Contents Off the top...would something as simple as On Lost Focus > me.refresh work? Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Darren" To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2013 6:22:32 PM Subject: [AccessD] A2003 - Clear Web Browser Control Contents Hi All, I have a web browser control on a form that allows users to 'drag' files from their desktops to get the file name of the 'dropped' file. Works a treat. But it seems I can only offer users one go, as I then have to close the form to 'reset' the contents of the Browser control. As once a file has been 'opened' in the browser control (E.g. a CSV file) users are not permitted to 'drag' a second or subsequent file to that browser control. I have tried Me. actXWebBrowserControl.Navigate "" and a few other things but to no avail and with varying error messages. All I'm really using it for is to get the file name of the 'dropped' file and then run other tasks that' import' this file, once the file name is known. Being able to see the contents of the file is irrelevant and I'd like to be able to simply drag and drop files to the browser control one after the other. Any thoughts? Here's my Code so far that gets the file name and then I run other tasks after that ? this will wrap so be aware ? Private Sub actXWebBrowserControl_BeforeNavigate2(ByVal pDisp As Object, URL As Variant, Flags As Variant, TargetFrameName As Variant, PostData As Variant, Headers As Variant, Cancel As Boolean) Me.txtAssumedFilePath = URL MsgBox me.txtAssumedFilePath End Sub -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From charlotte.foust at gmail.com Thu Aug 15 12:47:38 2013 From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust) Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2013 10:47:38 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] OK, I have a weird one...Filter is case sensitive? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: The Option Compare line in the code module determines whether the comparison is case sensitive. I know of no setting (at least in 2013) that allows you to do it for the entire database, and I don't know that you would want to. Option Compare Database is case insensitive and Option Compare Binary is case sensitive within the object the module belongs to. Charlotte On Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 12:42 PM, David McAfee wrote: > I had a user call me saying she could not find a customer when filtering by > the account number. > She was able to see the customer in another screen, so she knows it should > show up. > > I asked her for the CustNo, and I filtered the datasheet sub form by right > clicking on the custno field and choosing the appropriate filter menu > items. > > I asked her, over the phone, to do the same. > > When she still wasn't getting the expected results, I figured she was doing > something wrong and went over to her desk. > > She was doing it right. I did notice that she was using lower case letters, > which shouldn't matter. > > I asked her to use all caps. She did and the filter worked! > > I thought, how weird. > > Came back to my desk and it filters in lower case or upper case. > > Is there a setting somewhere that would affect how a filter filters? > > A2007 & A2010. > > Thanks, > David > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From fuller.artful at gmail.com Thu Aug 15 13:42:04 2013 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2013 14:42:04 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] OK, I have a weird one...Filter is case sensitive? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hmmm... I never thought of that problem before, Charlotte. I just customized my MZTools template and added that line as well as Option Explicit to the tail of the template, and it all happens automatically so I've never given it a second thought. But you do raise a valid point. There ought to be a place somewhere within the Access settings for This Database/All Databases, same as the 2 or 4 digit year portion of a date. On Thu, Aug 15, 2013 at 1:47 PM, Charlotte Foust wrote: > The Option Compare line in the code module determines whether the > comparison is case sensitive. I know of no setting (at least in 2013) that > allows you to do it for the entire database, and I don't know that you > would want to. Option Compare Database is case insensitive and Option > Compare Binary is case sensitive within the object the module belongs to. > > Charlotte > > > On Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 12:42 PM, David McAfee >wrote: > > > I had a user call me saying she could not find a customer when filtering > by > > the account number. > > She was able to see the customer in another screen, so she knows it > should > > show up. > > > > I asked her for the CustNo, and I filtered the datasheet sub form by > right > > clicking on the custno field and choosing the appropriate filter menu > > items. > > > > I asked her, over the phone, to do the same. > > > > When she still wasn't getting the expected results, I figured she was > doing > > something wrong and went over to her desk. > > > > She was doing it right. I did notice that she was using lower case > letters, > > which shouldn't matter. > > > > I asked her to use all caps. She did and the filter worked! > > > > I thought, how weird. > > > > Came back to my desk and it filters in lower case or upper case. > > > > Is there a setting somewhere that would affect how a filter filters? > > > > A2007 & A2010. > > > > Thanks, > > David > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Arthur From davidmcafee at gmail.com Thu Aug 15 14:40:19 2013 From: davidmcafee at gmail.com (David McAfee) Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2013 12:40:19 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] OK, I have a weird one...Filter is case sensitive? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: All of my forms have: Option Compare Database Option Explicit at the top. The thing is, there is no code being used. It is all the user's action, right clicking on a datasheet. I guess it can be chocked up to more A2010 ADP weirdness. Soon to be moved into an ASP.Net project, as we are doing this will all of our Access databases. D On Thu, Aug 15, 2013 at 10:47 AM, Charlotte Foust wrote: > The Option Compare line in the code module determines whether the > comparison is case sensitive. I know of no setting (at least in 2013) that > allows you to do it for the entire database, and I don't know that you > would want to. Option Compare Database is case insensitive and Option > Compare Binary is case sensitive within the object the module belongs to. > > Charlotte > > > On Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 12:42 PM, David McAfee >wrote: > > > I had a user call me saying she could not find a customer when filtering > by > > the account number. > > She was able to see the customer in another screen, so she knows it > should > > show up. > > > > I asked her for the CustNo, and I filtered the datasheet sub form by > right > > clicking on the custno field and choosing the appropriate filter menu > > items. > > > > I asked her, over the phone, to do the same. > > > > When she still wasn't getting the expected results, I figured she was > doing > > something wrong and went over to her desk. > > > > She was doing it right. I did notice that she was using lower case > letters, > > which shouldn't matter. > > > > I asked her to use all caps. She did and the filter worked! > > > > I thought, how weird. > > > > Came back to my desk and it filters in lower case or upper case. > > > > Is there a setting somewhere that would affect how a filter filters? > > > > A2007 & A2010. > > > > Thanks, > > David > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Thu Aug 15 17:46:44 2013 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2013 08:46:44 +1000 Subject: [AccessD] A2003 - Clear Web Browser Control Contents In-Reply-To: <786421650.31158897.1376583794750.JavaMail.root@cds002> References: <016e01ce9983$082597d0$1870c770$@activebilling.com.au>, <786421650.31158897.1376583794750.JavaMail.root@cds002> Message-ID: <520D5A54.13445.3743A43@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> IOW your situation is improving. There are more known unknowns and less unknown unknowns. :-) -- Stuart On 15 Aug 2013 at 10:23, Jim Lawrence wrote: > I understand...the more I know, the more I know how little I know. ;-) > > Jim > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Darren" > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" > Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2013 11:45:27 PM > Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2003 - Clear Web Browser Control Contents > > Hi Jim > Assume nothing - I am a luddite and hack > Darren > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence > Sent: Thursday, 15 August 2013 11:00 AM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2003 - Clear Web Browser Control Contents > > Hi Darren: > > Can I assume you have referred to Microsoft's explanation of how the control works and have checked how they implement it? > > http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa752044(v=vs.85).aspx > > Jim > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Darren" > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" > Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2013 4:41:57 PM > Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2003 - Clear Web Browser Control Contents > > Hi Jim > Thanks for the reply. > Taking the focus away from the BrowserControl and doing a form refresh changes nothing. > The browser control still 'holds the file open' - has a handle to it. > I needed a way to just get the browser control to return to a state of holding open NO file, so I could just drag and drop another. > No biggie I have a clunky work around in place - it'll have to do. > > Again - Many Thanks > > DArren > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence > Sent: Wednesday, 14 August 2013 12:54 PM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2003 - Clear Web Browser Control Contents > > Off the top...would something as simple as On Lost Focus > me.refresh work? > > Jim > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Darren" > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" > Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2013 6:22:32 PM > Subject: [AccessD] A2003 - Clear Web Browser Control Contents > > Hi All, > I have a web browser control on a form that allows users to 'drag' files from their desktops to get the file name of the 'dropped' file. > Works a treat. > But it seems I can only offer users one go, as I then have to close the form to 'reset' the contents of the Browser control. > As once a file has been 'opened' in the browser control (E.g. a CSV file) users are not permitted to 'drag' a second or subsequent file to that browser control. > I have tried Me. actXWebBrowserControl.Navigate "" and a few other things but to no avail and with varying error messages. > All I'm really using it for is to get the file name of the 'dropped' file and then run other tasks that' import' this file, once the file name is known. > Being able to see the contents of the file is irrelevant and I'd like to be able to simply drag and drop files to the browser control one after the other. > > Any thoughts? > > Here's my Code so far that gets the file name and then I run other tasks after that - this will wrap so be aware > > Private Sub actXWebBrowserControl_BeforeNavigate2(ByVal pDisp As Object, URL As Variant, Flags As Variant, TargetFrameName As Variant, PostData As Variant, Headers As Variant, Cancel As Boolean) Me.txtAssumedFilePath = URL MsgBox me.txtAssumedFilePath > > End Sub > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Fri Aug 16 02:51:27 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2013 01:51:27 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [AccessD] A2003 - Clear Web Browser Control Contents In-Reply-To: <520D5A54.13445.3743A43@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <1856230468.31817408.1376639487861.JavaMail.root@cds002> :-) Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stuart McLachlan" To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2013 3:46:44 PM Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2003 - Clear Web Browser Control Contents IOW your situation is improving. There are more known unknowns and less unknown unknowns. :-) -- Stuart On 15 Aug 2013 at 10:23, Jim Lawrence wrote: > I understand...the more I know, the more I know how little I know. ;-) > > Jim > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Darren" > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" > Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2013 11:45:27 PM > Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2003 - Clear Web Browser Control Contents > > Hi Jim > Assume nothing - I am a luddite and hack > Darren > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence > Sent: Thursday, 15 August 2013 11:00 AM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2003 - Clear Web Browser Control Contents > > Hi Darren: > > Can I assume you have referred to Microsoft's explanation of how the control works and have checked how they implement it? > > http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa752044(v=vs.85).aspx > > Jim > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Darren" > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" > Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2013 4:41:57 PM > Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2003 - Clear Web Browser Control Contents > > Hi Jim > Thanks for the reply. > Taking the focus away from the BrowserControl and doing a form refresh changes nothing. > The browser control still 'holds the file open' - has a handle to it. > I needed a way to just get the browser control to return to a state of holding open NO file, so I could just drag and drop another. > No biggie I have a clunky work around in place - it'll have to do. > > Again - Many Thanks > > DArren > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence > Sent: Wednesday, 14 August 2013 12:54 PM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2003 - Clear Web Browser Control Contents > > Off the top...would something as simple as On Lost Focus > me.refresh work? > > Jim > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Darren" > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" > Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2013 6:22:32 PM > Subject: [AccessD] A2003 - Clear Web Browser Control Contents > > Hi All, > I have a web browser control on a form that allows users to 'drag' files from their desktops to get the file name of the 'dropped' file. > Works a treat. > But it seems I can only offer users one go, as I then have to close the form to 'reset' the contents of the Browser control. > As once a file has been 'opened' in the browser control (E.g. a CSV file) users are not permitted to 'drag' a second or subsequent file to that browser control. > I have tried Me. actXWebBrowserControl.Navigate "" and a few other things but to no avail and with varying error messages. > All I'm really using it for is to get the file name of the 'dropped' file and then run other tasks that' import' this file, once the file name is known. > Being able to see the contents of the file is irrelevant and I'd like to be able to simply drag and drop files to the browser control one after the other. > > Any thoughts? > > Here's my Code so far that gets the file name and then I run other tasks after that - this will wrap so be aware > > Private Sub actXWebBrowserControl_BeforeNavigate2(ByVal pDisp As Object, URL As Variant, Flags As Variant, TargetFrameName As Variant, PostData As Variant, Headers As Variant, Cancel As Boolean) Me.txtAssumedFilePath = URL MsgBox me.txtAssumedFilePath > > End Sub > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jwcolby at gmail.com Mon Aug 19 12:35:57 2013 From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John W Colby) Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2013 13:35:57 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Access 2007: Forms no longer restricted to parent window Message-ID: <5212577D.7030904@gmail.com> I am locking down an application and suddenly the forms of the application can be moved outside of the parent access window. I thought that the forms were by definition a child object to Access and could not move out of the Access container on the screen. -- John W. Colby Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it From jwcolby at gmail.com Mon Aug 19 12:40:44 2013 From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John W Colby) Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2013 13:40:44 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Forms liberated Message-ID: <5212589C.9050503@gmail.com> Further to my previous post, it appears that setting the popup property true is what allows the form to move outside of the access container window. Is this something new to Access 2007? My client doesn't like it so I am looking for an alternative other than removing the popup property. -- John W. Colby Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it From BradM at blackforestltd.com Mon Aug 19 14:07:58 2013 From: BradM at blackforestltd.com (Brad Marks) Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2013 14:07:58 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Future of Windows XP References: , <51E28F2A.13403.AEF4E57@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: All, I work part time for a small manufacturing firm (about 50 employees) with a very limited IT budget. Currently there are about 20 older PCs running Windows XP (SP3). There are two purchased application systems and a number of Access 2007 applications. It is my understanding that Microsoft is dropping all support (including security updates) for XP in April of 2014. My background is primarily in application development and database administration. In the past, I have relied on fellow employees for "Operating System issues". I have some dumb questions. How serious is the issue of Microsoft dropping all support for XP next April? What are most firms migrating to? Win-7? Win-8? I would guess that either Win-7 or Win-8 will need more horsepower than XP and neither will run very well on older PCs. True? Will Access 2007 applications run Okay with either Win-7 or Win-8? Thanks, Brad From fuller.artful at gmail.com Mon Aug 19 17:22:43 2013 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2013 18:22:43 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Access 2007: Forms no longer restricted to parent window In-Reply-To: <5212577D.7030904@gmail.com> References: <5212577D.7030904@gmail.com> Message-ID: Wrong wrong wrong, but I consider this a virtue rather than an impediment. I guess that it all comes down to a perspective. My personal perspective is to un-hamper the user in any way, rather than dictate that this leads to that within a certain number of constraints, My design choice is to leave it up to the user rather than dictate what should occur in the user's chosen sequence. It's not up to me which choices the user chooses, and every alternative speaks of UI fascism rather than UI freedom. Just my $0.05. I vote for user-freedom, albeit within limits described by the said domain. We are not here to dictate the world. We are here to liberate the possibilities of our apps. To take one silly example, the App ought to give its consumer the ability to save selected queries and incorporate these into the design. And if you can't do that, then revisit your design. On Mon, Aug 19, 2013 at 1:35 PM, John W Colby wrote: > I am locking down an application and suddenly the forms of the application > can be moved outside of the parent access window. I thought that the forms > were by definition a child object to Access and could not move out of the > Access container on the screen. > > -- > John W. Colby > > Reality is what refuses to go away > when you do not believe in it > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.**com > -- Arthur From vbacreations at gmail.com Mon Aug 19 19:04:36 2013 From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson) Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2013 20:04:36 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Forms liberated In-Reply-To: <5212589C.9050503@gmail.com> References: <5212589C.9050503@gmail.com> Message-ID: Modal? On Aug 19, 2013 7:36 PM, "John W Colby" wrote: > Further to my previous post, it appears that setting the popup property > true is what allows the form to move outside of the access container > window. Is this something new to Access 2007? My client doesn't like it > so I am looking for an alternative other than removing the popup property. > > -- > John W. Colby > > Reality is what refuses to go away > when you do not believe in it > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.**com > From df.waters at comcast.net Mon Aug 19 20:06:54 2013 From: df.waters at comcast.net (Dan Waters) Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2013 20:06:54 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Forms liberated In-Reply-To: <5212589C.9050503@gmail.com> References: <5212589C.9050503@gmail.com> Message-ID: <007201ce9d41$8f8a6590$ae9f30b0$@comcast.net> Hi John, You can set the Modal property = True and the Popup property to False. This prevents clicking on any form other than the one just opened, without the form going off-screen. However, it is then possible to open another form programmatically which would cover the modal form, thus completely locking up the application for anyone. With that in mind ... HTH, Dan -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W Colby Sent: Monday, August 19, 2013 12:41 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: [AccessD] Forms liberated Further to my previous post, it appears that setting the popup property true is what allows the form to move outside of the access container window. Is this something new to Access 2007? My client doesn't like it so I am looking for an alternative other than removing the popup property. -- John W. Colby Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jimdettman at verizon.net Mon Aug 19 21:40:29 2013 From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman) Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2013 22:40:29 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Future of Windows XP In-Reply-To: References: <51E28F2A.13403.AEF4E57@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <5454EE61-AA5C-4CED-8387-ED365984F025@verizon.net> Your correct on xp, but that doesn't mean it will stop working. Just no more support or updates. Win 7 is where everyone is heading to...I don't see win 8 except on tablets. Microsoft may change that with the update coming out, which brings back the start menu and the familiar desktop. And yes, both require more horsepower and certainly more memory. I usually spec out 4GB on stations. Jim Sent from my iPhone On Aug 19, 2013, at 3:07 PM, "Brad Marks" wrote: > All, > > I work part time for a small manufacturing firm (about 50 employees) > with a very limited IT budget. > > Currently there are about 20 older PCs running Windows XP (SP3). There > are two purchased application systems and a number of Access 2007 > applications. > > It is my understanding that Microsoft is dropping all support (including > security updates) for XP in April of 2014. > > My background is primarily in application development and database > administration. In the past, I have relied on fellow employees for > "Operating System issues". > > I have some dumb questions. > > How serious is the issue of Microsoft dropping all support for XP next > April? > > What are most firms migrating to? Win-7? Win-8? > > I would guess that either Win-7 or Win-8 will need more horsepower than > XP and neither will run very well on older PCs. True? > > Will Access 2007 applications run Okay with either Win-7 or Win-8? > > Thanks, > Brad > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Tue Aug 20 00:07:08 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2013 23:07:08 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [AccessD] Future of Windows XP In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1328726846.34691735.1376975228492.JavaMail.root@cds002> Hi Brad: Yes, Microsoft is going to drop support for XP just like they have done with their other OS products before. These changes in the past have been anti-climatic but this time MS is really pushing as they want people to move up to their Win8 platform at best and Win7 at least. Times are tight for my clients and they really do not have the dollars to buy thirty new boxes with all the software updates. So to that end I have decided to move my clients completely to Ubuntu Linux and have done with the BS once and for all. Right now I have put together a couple of Ubuntu boxes which will be used as templates for the two different sites I still support. By the time April fools rolls around all the application the companies needs will be installed and ready to go....we will roll it out over on a weekend and then maybe in a couple of years when Win8 stabilizes we will look at it all again. Jim PS MS Office works just fine on Linux (MS Access as well)...just a little faster but that's all. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brad Marks" To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" Sent: Monday, August 19, 2013 12:07:58 PM Subject: [AccessD] Future of Windows XP All, I work part time for a small manufacturing firm (about 50 employees) with a very limited IT budget. Currently there are about 20 older PCs running Windows XP (SP3). There are two purchased application systems and a number of Access 2007 applications. It is my understanding that Microsoft is dropping all support (including security updates) for XP in April of 2014. My background is primarily in application development and database administration. In the past, I have relied on fellow employees for "Operating System issues". I have some dumb questions. How serious is the issue of Microsoft dropping all support for XP next April? What are most firms migrating to? Win-7? Win-8? I would guess that either Win-7 or Win-8 will need more horsepower than XP and neither will run very well on older PCs. True? Will Access 2007 applications run Okay with either Win-7 or Win-8? Thanks, Brad -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Tue Aug 20 01:09:10 2013 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2013 16:09:10 +1000 Subject: [AccessD] Future of Windows XP In-Reply-To: References: , Message-ID: <52130806.16501.19A2A5A7@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> A lot depends on how the workstations are used. If the only thing they are doing is running te purchasedf applications and your in house developed Access applications, it won't really matter. If they are used for internet access and/or email then te laco of updates is a concern. As it is if people are sticking USB sticks etc in them. The vast majority are migrating to Win 7. How well the machines work under a newer OS depends on the current configuration of the machines, especially RAM. Here's MS's minimum requirements for Win 7 1 gigahertz (GHz) or faster 32-bit (x86) or 64-bit (x64) processor 1 gigabyte (GB) RAM (32-bit) or 2 GB RAM (64-bit) 16 GB available hard disk space (32-bit) or 20 GB (64-bit) DirectX 9 graphics device with WDDM 1.0 or higher driver and for WIn 8 it is much the same: Processor: 1 gigahertz (GHz) or faster with support for PAE, NX, and SSE2 (more info) RAM: 1 gigabyte (GB) (32-bit) or 2 GB (64-bit) Hard disk space: 16 GB (32-bit) or 20 GB (64-bit) Graphics card: Microsoft DirectX 9 graphics device with WDDM driver Access 2007 is fine with either WIn 7 or WIn 8. (As is Access 2003) -- Stuart On 19 Aug 2013 at 14:07, Brad Marks wrote: > All, > > I work part time for a small manufacturing firm (about 50 employees) > with a very limited IT budget. > > Currently there are about 20 older PCs running Windows XP (SP3). There > are two purchased application systems and a number of Access 2007 > applications. > > It is my understanding that Microsoft is dropping all support (including > security updates) for XP in April of 2014. > > My background is primarily in application development and database > administration. In the past, I have relied on fellow employees for > "Operating System issues". > > I have some dumb questions. > > How serious is the issue of Microsoft dropping all support for XP next > April? > > What are most firms migrating to? Win-7? Win-8? > > I would guess that either Win-7 or Win-8 will need more horsepower than > XP and neither will run very well on older PCs. True? > > Will Access 2007 applications run Okay with either Win-7 or Win-8? > > Thanks, > Brad > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From gustav at cactus.dk Tue Aug 20 01:19:34 2013 From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2013 08:19:34 +0200 Subject: [AccessD] Forms liberated Message-ID: <000501ce9d6d$3e1e43d0$ba5acb70$@cactus.dk> Hi John I think it has been so since version 1.0. /gustav -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af John W Colby Sendt: 19. august 2013 19:41 Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Emne: [AccessD] Forms liberated Further to my previous post, it appears that setting the popup property true is what allows the form to move outside of the access container window. Is this something new to Access 2007? My client doesn't like it so I am looking for an alternative other than removing the popup property. -- John W. Colby Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it From gustav at cactus.dk Tue Aug 20 01:32:33 2013 From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2013 08:32:33 +0200 Subject: [AccessD] Future of Windows XP In-Reply-To: References: , <51E28F2A.13403.AEF4E57@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <000701ce9d6f$0dac00f0$290402d0$@cactus.dk> Hi Brad In my experience Win7 - and probably Win8 also - for general office use runs great on older hardware with Pentium 4+ processor and 2 GB ram. Generally, Celeron is too slow and 1 GB ram is too little, but if a pc can't handle 2 GB ram it is very old and neither runs WinXP very well. This is indeed true for Celeron equipped machines. Access 2007+ runs fine on Win7+. I guess no one really knows if security updates will be offered on a limited scale for XP after April 2014. /gustav -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Brad Marks Sendt: 19. august 2013 21:08 Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Emne: [AccessD] Future of Windows XP All, I work part time for a small manufacturing firm (about 50 employees) with a very limited IT budget. Currently there are about 20 older PCs running Windows XP (SP3). There are two purchased application systems and a number of Access 2007 applications. It is my understanding that Microsoft is dropping all support (including security updates) for XP in April of 2014. My background is primarily in application development and database administration. In the past, I have relied on fellow employees for "Operating System issues". I have some dumb questions. How serious is the issue of Microsoft dropping all support for XP next April? What are most firms migrating to? Win-7? Win-8? I would guess that either Win-7 or Win-8 will need more horsepower than XP and neither will run very well on older PCs. True? Will Access 2007 applications run Okay with either Win-7 or Win-8? Thanks, Brad From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au Tue Aug 20 03:05:36 2013 From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins) Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2013 08:05:36 +0000 Subject: [AccessD] Future of Windows XP In-Reply-To: References: , <51E28F2A.13403.AEF4E57@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>, Message-ID: <081cdffa39bd4073824ec488d85b3ee1@SIXPR04MB048.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com> Hi Brad, Nearly all the corporate I know of and work with are moving from XP to Win 7. I don't know of any business that is running win 8 or Office 2013, although there must be some of them out there. Personally I find Win 8 an abomination to use. Sure it is fast, but my god, it is a pain in the ar$e. I haven't used it a lot, but those I know who have been using it for months still don't love it. "I am getting used to it" is the most common refrain, rather than "Wow, Now I love it!". Urrrrrgh. Wait for W9 I say.... In corporate land they are nearly always 2 life cycles behind the cutting edge. This not only maximises their return on the software costs, but also minimises the upgrade risk as the initial bugs and UI issues are generally ironed out by the time the upgrade. The loose rule is 'Never before SP1 and preferably post SP2' before even considering the upgrade. Whislt some businesses / Corporate I work with are on Office 2007, most of them have gone from XP / Office 2003 straight to Win 7 - Office 2010. Honestly, you can largely consider Office 2007 as the beta release for 2010 and most of the IT folks who make the decisions are onto that. 2010 is pretty good to work with, where as 2007 has plenty of annoyances, even today. As for XP security, there would be some risk if an exploit is found that it will not be patched. Most folks in business will upgrade when the support runs out. But I guess that is up the them and there needs and budgets. Good luck. Win 7 is a nice OS, stable, quiet and fuss free. Worth considering. If possible give your old XP machines max RAM, 4GB if they are on less. ________________________________________ From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com on behalf of Brad Marks Sent: Tuesday, 20 August 2013 5:07 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: [AccessD] Future of Windows XP All, I work part time for a small manufacturing firm (about 50 employees) with a very limited IT budget. Currently there are about 20 older PCs running Windows XP (SP3). There are two purchased application systems and a number of Access 2007 applications. It is my understanding that Microsoft is dropping all support (including security updates) for XP in April of 2014. My background is primarily in application development and database administration. In the past, I have relied on fellow employees for "Operating System issues". I have some dumb questions. How serious is the issue of Microsoft dropping all support for XP next April? What are most firms migrating to? Win-7? Win-8? I would guess that either Win-7 or Win-8 will need more horsepower than XP and neither will run very well on older PCs. True? Will Access 2007 applications run Okay with either Win-7 or Win-8? Thanks, Brad -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Tue Aug 20 03:21:51 2013 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2013 04:21:51 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Future of Windows XP In-Reply-To: References: <51E28F2A.13403.AEF4E57@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: First of all, there are no stupid (dumb is a special word to be used only in the context of people unable to speak; implying nothing about their IQ, which in itself is a can of worms; thus my rephrasing of your call for help) questions, only stupid people. Back to your question. I would heartily recommend a move to Windows 8, as opposed to a move to Windows 7. I have previously blogged about how much I hated Win8 but have since changed my mind, and now I'm quite comfortable in this new environment. The key thing is to notice what happens with a single tap upon the Windows key: it switches you from Tiles to a familiar Win7-like interface. Second important item: you can rearrange your Tiles simply by clicking once and then dragging and dropping them to any configuration that you desire. My own preferred configuration is that "Start" includes the tiles for Chrome, FireFox, SSMS, MediaMonkey, Alpha Anywhere and the standards such as Weather. In terms of RAM, Win 8 is less demanding than XP or Win 7, so you won't have to upgrade any hardware to leap into the Brave New World. I would suggest that you consider a leap to Ubuntu or Mint (both Linux-based) but that might be too large a leap for your ~50 user base. However, there may be a middle ground: take your most advanced user and set up a dual boot on his or her machine, and have him/her toy with OpenOffice and/or LibreOffice and see how it works out. The large failing of both office products is their inability to duplicate the functionality of VBA within the Office line of products. I have made some serious dollars in knowing how to integrate the Office apps with custom code, and so far as I can see these customizations are not possible in OpenOffice and LibreOffice. On the other hand, if you have no need for such custom code, then either OpenOffice or LibreOffice are free alternatives to the MS package. Both OpenOffice and LibreOffice are freely downloadable, Thumbnail: Just because M$ wants you to abandon XP is not a compelling reason to do so. If it works, it works. No point in breaking what works. Or, to put it another way, when was the last time you sent an email to the SP team at M$? If anything exemplifies the term "unresponsive", I would cite M$ as my principal evidence. Should you choose to migrate, I see no point in migrating to Win7. Bite the bullet and go to Windows 8. It takes a couple of days to become familiar with the transition, so you may have to factor the cost of lessons into your migration strategy If you're determined to migrate and also remain within the Windows realm, then Win8 is the best approach If you're more open-minded (this thought extends from your mention of budget constraints), then I would suggest a move to either Ubuntu or Mint, both of which are freely downloadable, and also included in these distros are OpenOffice and LibreOffice. My suggestion, in sum, is to download either Ubuntu or Mint and install it on one machine, for your senior tech person to play with. Should said tech-person issue a "Go" then one by one, each system can be replaced with a Linux version. The problem is the VBA code, which is not portable to the various implementations of Officw. However, there is an alternative approach, whose name is WINE This package enables you to run Windows apps within a Linus window On Mon, Aug 19, 2013 at 3:07 PM, Brad Marks wrote: > All, > > I work part time for a small manufacturing firm (about 50 employees) > with a very limited IT budget. > > Currently there are about 20 older PCs running Windows XP (SP3). There > are two purchased application systems and a number of Access 2007 > applications. > > It is my understanding that Microsoft is dropping all support (including > security updates) for XP in April of 2014. > > My background is primarily in application development and database > administration. In the past, I have relied on fellow employees for > "Operating System issues". > > I have some dumb questions. > > How serious is the issue of Microsoft dropping all support for XP next > April? > > What are most firms migrating to? Win-7? Win-8? > > I would guess that either Win-7 or Win-8 will need more horsepower than > XP and neither will run very well on older PCs. True? > > Will Access 2007 applications run Okay with either Win-7 or Win-8? > > Thanks, > Brad > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Arthur From fuller.artful at gmail.com Tue Aug 20 07:17:46 2013 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2013 08:17:46 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Forms liberated In-Reply-To: References: <5212589C.9050503@gmail.com> Message-ID: Huh? I deem the ability to move a dialog outside the app window invaluable, and would also suggest that virtually all software that adheres to the standard Windows conventions does exactly the same. This is a virtue, not a liability. On Mon, Aug 19, 2013 at 8:04 PM, William Benson wrote: > Modal? > On Aug 19, 2013 7:36 PM, "John W Colby" wrote: > > > Further to my previous post, it appears that setting the popup property > > true is what allows the form to move outside of the access container > > window. Is this something new to Access 2007? My client doesn't like it > > so I am looking for an alternative other than removing the popup > property. > > > > -- > > John W. Colby > > > > Reality is what refuses to go away > > when you do not believe in it > > > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/accessd< > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd> > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.**com< > http://www.databaseadvisors.com> > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Arthur From john.k.serrano at gmail.com Tue Aug 20 08:04:46 2013 From: john.k.serrano at gmail.com (John Serrano) Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2013 09:04:46 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Future of Windows XP In-Reply-To: References: <51E28F2A.13403.AEF4E57@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: Brian, Regarding your questions... How serious is the issue of Microsoft dropping all support for XP next April? Microsoft will not be supporting XP for any updates. This date has been extended from previous dates. What are most firms migrating to? Win-7? Win-8? Currently I work in the Power industry (utility) and we are just now migrating to Windows 7. Slight learning curve for using windows 8 would be too much for some folks at work. I would guess that either Win-7 or Win-8 will need more horsepower than XP and neither will run very well on older PCs. True? Yes, Microsoft has a adviser that you can download to a Pc and it will check to see if the PC is compatible to upgrade to windows 7. Here is the link http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/details.aspx?id=20 Will Access 2007 applications run Okay with either Win-7 or Win-8? Yes, Hope this helps... John On Mon, Aug 19, 2013 at 3:07 PM, Brad Marks wrote: > All, > > I work part time for a small manufacturing firm (about 50 employees) > with a very limited IT budget. > > Currently there are about 20 older PCs running Windows XP (SP3). There > are two purchased application systems and a number of Access 2007 > applications. > > It is my understanding that Microsoft is dropping all support (including > security updates) for XP in April of 2014. > > My background is primarily in application development and database > administration. In the past, I have relied on fellow employees for > "Operating System issues". > > I have some dumb questions. > > How serious is the issue of Microsoft dropping all support for XP next > April? > > What are most firms migrating to? Win-7? Win-8? > > I would guess that either Win-7 or Win-8 will need more horsepower than > XP and neither will run very well on older PCs. True? > > Will Access 2007 applications run Okay with either Win-7 or Win-8? > > Thanks, > Brad > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- John Serrano From df.waters at comcast.net Tue Aug 20 08:17:58 2013 From: df.waters at comcast.net (Dan Waters) Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2013 08:17:58 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Forms liberated Message-ID: <001601ce9da7$b076d480$11647d80$@comcast.net> Hi John, You can set the Modal property = True and the Popup property to False. This prevents clicking on any form other than the one just opened, without the form going off-screen. However, it is then possible to open another form programmatically which would cover the modal form, thus completely locking up the application for anyone. With that in mind ... HTH, Dan -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W Colby Sent: Monday, August 19, 2013 12:41 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: [AccessD] Forms liberated Further to my previous post, it appears that setting the popup property true is what allows the form to move outside of the access container window. Is this something new to Access 2007? My client doesn't like it so I am looking for an alternative other than removing the popup property. -- John W. Colby Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From garykjos at gmail.com Tue Aug 20 08:33:45 2013 From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos) Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2013 08:33:45 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Future of Windows XP In-Reply-To: References: <51E28F2A.13403.AEF4E57@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: The company I work for has a thousand or more PC's. Probably half of them are still running XP. We have been putting Windows 7 and Office 2010 on the new machines for quite a while now. I don't think we usually update OS's on older hardware though. The XP machines are generally nearing end of life anyway and so are scheduled to be replaced. Many of them were pretty low end machines to start with only having a gig of memory and small hard drives that contain the OS and Office and not much else. All our core business apps are run through a browser interface now so our client machines don't need to be too powerful. We do have some people doing more client side work in Excel and Access too though and they get more powerful machines. I have two boxes here at work and both are XP and one has Office XP (2002) and the other Office 2003. Most of the people I supply data to have Office 2007 or 2010 and I get questions pretty frequently on "why do you still have such old versions?" to which I reply, I just don't have time to waste updating things. My stuff all works and does what I need it to. But since we are a retail company we need to stay current with patches etc or we won't get the blessing of the card companies too so I'm sure that as the deadline nears our XP machines will be replaced. My machines are both probably upgradable. Both are dual core but only have 2GB ram installed at the present time. I know there is some funkiness on people's systems that have 64 bit Windows 7 and that some of our development apps have to be run in an emulation mode which messes up the video resolution somehow. But I guess it is something I will have to deal with sometime too. On Mon, Aug 19, 2013 at 2:07 PM, Brad Marks wrote: > All, > > I work part time for a small manufacturing firm (about 50 employees) > with a very limited IT budget. > > Currently there are about 20 older PCs running Windows XP (SP3). There > are two purchased application systems and a number of Access 2007 > applications. > > It is my understanding that Microsoft is dropping all support (including > security updates) for XP in April of 2014. > > My background is primarily in application development and database > administration. In the past, I have relied on fellow employees for > "Operating System issues". > > I have some dumb questions. > > How serious is the issue of Microsoft dropping all support for XP next > April? > > What are most firms migrating to? Win-7? Win-8? > > I would guess that either Win-7 or Win-8 will need more horsepower than > XP and neither will run very well on older PCs. True? > > Will Access 2007 applications run Okay with either Win-7 or Win-8? > > Thanks, > Brad > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Gary Kjos garykjos at gmail.com From jwcolby at gmail.com Tue Aug 20 10:30:43 2013 From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John W Colby) Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2013 11:30:43 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Forms liberated In-Reply-To: <007201ce9d41$8f8a6590$ae9f30b0$@comcast.net> References: <5212589C.9050503@gmail.com> <007201ce9d41$8f8a6590$ae9f30b0$@comcast.net> Message-ID: <52138BA3.3010503@gmail.com> I was under the impression that forms (in fact every access object) were not real "windows" to Windows but graphics drawings, and that as such they were restricted to be "inside" of the Access program window (real window to Windows). I will have to go back and look at Access 2003 behavior to see if this "liberation" exists in 2003 as well. John W. Colby Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it On 8/19/2013 9:06 PM, Dan Waters wrote: > Hi John, > > You can set the Modal property = True and the Popup property to False. This > prevents clicking on any form other than the one just opened, without the > form going off-screen. However, it is then possible to open another form > programmatically which would cover the modal form, thus completely locking > up the application for anyone. With that in mind ... > > HTH, > Dan > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W Colby > Sent: Monday, August 19, 2013 12:41 PM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: [AccessD] Forms liberated > > Further to my previous post, it appears that setting the popup property true > is what allows the form to move outside of the access container window. Is > this something new to Access 2007? My client doesn't like it so I am > looking for an alternative other than removing the popup property. > > -- > John W. Colby > > Reality is what refuses to go away > when you do not believe in it > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From jwcolby at gmail.com Tue Aug 20 10:34:04 2013 From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John W Colby) Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2013 11:34:04 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Forms liberated In-Reply-To: <007201ce9d41$8f8a6590$ae9f30b0$@comcast.net> References: <5212589C.9050503@gmail.com> <007201ce9d41$8f8a6590$ae9f30b0$@comcast.net> Message-ID: <52138C6C.9070801@gmail.com> I just tested in 2003 and sure enough, a popup is liberated there as well. I guess I just never noticed before! John W. Colby Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it On 8/19/2013 9:06 PM, Dan Waters wrote: > Hi John, > > You can set the Modal property = True and the Popup property to False. This > prevents clicking on any form other than the one just opened, without the > form going off-screen. However, it is then possible to open another form > programmatically which would cover the modal form, thus completely locking > up the application for anyone. With that in mind ... > > HTH, > Dan > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W Colby > Sent: Monday, August 19, 2013 12:41 PM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: [AccessD] Forms liberated > > Further to my previous post, it appears that setting the popup property true > is what allows the form to move outside of the access container window. Is > this something new to Access 2007? My client doesn't like it so I am > looking for an alternative other than removing the popup property. > > -- > John W. Colby > > Reality is what refuses to go away > when you do not believe in it > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com Tue Aug 20 10:53:34 2013 From: Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com (Kaup, Chester) Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2013 15:53:34 +0000 Subject: [AccessD] Future of Windows XP In-Reply-To: References: , <51E28F2A.13403.AEF4E57@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <8E16E03987F1FD4FB0A9BEBF7CC160CB07291A82@HOUEX6.kindermorgan.com> The company I work for who does not like to spend money on IT stuff is replacing all computers that are currently running XP with new ones if that helps. Access 2007 runs fine under windows 7. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brad Marks Sent: Monday, August 19, 2013 2:08 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: [AccessD] Future of Windows XP All, I work part time for a small manufacturing firm (about 50 employees) with a very limited IT budget. Currently there are about 20 older PCs running Windows XP (SP3). There are two purchased application systems and a number of Access 2007 applications. It is my understanding that Microsoft is dropping all support (including security updates) for XP in April of 2014. My background is primarily in application development and database administration. In the past, I have relied on fellow employees for "Operating System issues". I have some dumb questions. How serious is the issue of Microsoft dropping all support for XP next April? What are most firms migrating to? Win-7? Win-8? I would guess that either Win-7 or Win-8 will need more horsepower than XP and neither will run very well on older PCs. True? Will Access 2007 applications run Okay with either Win-7 or Win-8? Thanks, Brad -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From davidmcafee at gmail.com Tue Aug 20 11:43:03 2013 From: davidmcafee at gmail.com (David McAfee) Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2013 09:43:03 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Future of Windows XP In-Reply-To: References: <51E28F2A.13403.AEF4E57@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: We've been moving all of our PCs to Win7. A2007 runs fine on Win7. On Mon, Aug 19, 2013 at 12:07 PM, Brad Marks wrote: > All, > > I work part time for a small manufacturing firm (about 50 employees) > with a very limited IT budget. > > Currently there are about 20 older PCs running Windows XP (SP3). There > are two purchased application systems and a number of Access 2007 > applications. > > It is my understanding that Microsoft is dropping all support (including > security updates) for XP in April of 2014. > > My background is primarily in application development and database > administration. In the past, I have relied on fellow employees for > "Operating System issues". > > I have some dumb questions. > > How serious is the issue of Microsoft dropping all support for XP next > April? > > What are most firms migrating to? Win-7? Win-8? > > I would guess that either Win-7 or Win-8 will need more horsepower than > XP and neither will run very well on older PCs. True? > > Will Access 2007 applications run Okay with either Win-7 or Win-8? > > Thanks, > Brad > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From jbartow at winhaven.net Tue Aug 20 12:13:52 2013 From: jbartow at winhaven.net (John R Bartow) Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2013 12:13:52 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Future of Windows XP In-Reply-To: References: , <51E28F2A.13403.AEF4E57@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <00cc01ce9dc8$a55febb0$f01fc310$@winhaven.net> Hi Brad, I wouldn't worry a lot about WinXP not being supported. Just make sure you have good entry and end point security in your business. Eliminate any internet use where not absolutely needed. Where needed, quite using IE8 and move users to Firefox or Chrome. If possible only access the internet via a virtual machine on the PC. Windows 7/8 both require more RAM than XP. While I have upgraded older XP PCs to Windows 7, it is rarely a long term, cost effective thing to do. I suggest a budgeted migration to new PCs over a sustainable period of time. Replace the computers for those who use them the most rather than by position or seniority. (Never goes over to well ego-wise but makes the most sense business-wise.) Start with the tech savvy users who will learn the differences and help others when they get their new one. The standard business computers I work with are: Dell OptiPlex 3010 - Intel Core i5 i5-3470 3.20 GHz - Small Form Factor - 4 GB RAM - 500 GB HDD - DVD-Writer - Intel HD 2500 Graphics - Genuine Windows 7 Professional 64-bit w/3yr NBD warranty. Right now I'm paying less than $550 per unit. You can ramp up a bit to the next level of OptiPlex for a couple hundred bucks but this seems to be the best price/performance and suits my customers well. I have never had an issue with an OptiPlex. They're like the tanks of the PC world. I would strongly suggest thoroughly testing the applications on Windows 7/8 (whichever you decide to move to in the future). Since you have purchased applications, I would refer you to the publisher as to whether or not they are compatible. In house A2007 should be if they are Access only. But I would personally test every aspect of them to be sure. You're going to have to move to a new version eventually so this will give you insights as to what needs to be changed if anything. Worst case is you run your apps in a virtual XP machine within Windows 7/8. HTH John B -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brad Marks Sent: Monday, August 19, 2013 2:08 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: [AccessD] Future of Windows XP All, I work part time for a small manufacturing firm (about 50 employees) with a very limited IT budget. Currently there are about 20 older PCs running Windows XP (SP3). There are two purchased application systems and a number of Access 2007 applications. It is my understanding that Microsoft is dropping all support (including security updates) for XP in April of 2014. My background is primarily in application development and database administration. In the past, I have relied on fellow employees for "Operating System issues". I have some dumb questions. How serious is the issue of Microsoft dropping all support for XP next April? What are most firms migrating to? Win-7? Win-8? I would guess that either Win-7 or Win-8 will need more horsepower than XP and neither will run very well on older PCs. True? Will Access 2007 applications run Okay with either Win-7 or Win-8? Thanks, Brad -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From charlotte.foust at gmail.com Tue Aug 20 12:14:55 2013 From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust) Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2013 10:14:55 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Future of Windows XP In-Reply-To: References: <51E28F2A.13403.AEF4E57@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: The firms I've worked with are migrating to Win 7 and either 2007 or 2010. Win 8 hasn't had all the kinks worked out and it's too different from what users are accustomed to to tempt any company that doesn't fancy being on the bleeding edge of technology. The release of Win 8.1 may change that, but that's what I've seen so far. MS dropping support for XP means that any future exploits discovered against the operating system won't be patched, leaving it up to the company to beef up their systems security and burn a lot of incense. Access 2007 runs just fine on Win 7, and it should run on Win 8. I jumped to Win 8 on a new machine, so I didn't install the older versions, but maybe someone else has loaded it on a VM. Charlotte On Mon, Aug 19, 2013 at 12:07 PM, Brad Marks wrote: > All, > > I work part time for a small manufacturing firm (about 50 employees) > with a very limited IT budget. > > Currently there are about 20 older PCs running Windows XP (SP3). There > are two purchased application systems and a number of Access 2007 > applications. > > It is my understanding that Microsoft is dropping all support (including > security updates) for XP in April of 2014. > > My background is primarily in application development and database > administration. In the past, I have relied on fellow employees for > "Operating System issues". > > I have some dumb questions. > > How serious is the issue of Microsoft dropping all support for XP next > April? > > What are most firms migrating to? Win-7? Win-8? > > I would guess that either Win-7 or Win-8 will need more horsepower than > XP and neither will run very well on older PCs. True? > > Will Access 2007 applications run Okay with either Win-7 or Win-8? > > Thanks, > Brad > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From fuller.artful at gmail.com Tue Aug 20 14:40:20 2013 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2013 15:40:20 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Future of Windows XP In-Reply-To: <5454EE61-AA5C-4CED-8387-ED365984F025@verizon.net> References: <51E28F2A.13403.AEF4E57@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <5454EE61-AA5C-4CED-8387-ED365984F025@verizon.net> Message-ID: I think that Win8 requires less horsepower than WinXP or Win7, but either way it doesn't matter. Also to be noted is that to move away from the tiled interface and back to the traditional desktop requires just a single keystroke: tap the Windows key once and you're back in familiar turf. Also to note is the ability to drag the tiles into any arrangement you wish. On my shiny new laptop, I have rearranged the tiles so that at Top Left is DeskTop, and then SSMS, ImgBurn,xPlorer2 and a few other frequently-accessed tools. Once I got the hang of Windows 8, I love it. Mind you, it did take a couple of days' investment, but the payoff has been worth it. It boots way faster than anything since DOS, to name just one cool thing. And to ininstall an app, just right-click on its icon. That's pretty cool too. In On Mon, Aug 19, 2013 at 10:40 PM, Jim Dettman wrote: > Your correct on xp, but that doesn't mean it will stop working. Just no > more support or updates. > > Win 7 is where everyone is heading to...I don't see win 8 except on > tablets. Microsoft may change that with the update coming out, which > brings back the start menu and the familiar desktop. > > And yes, both require more horsepower and certainly more memory. I > usually spec out 4GB on stations. > > Jim > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Aug 19, 2013, at 3:07 PM, "Brad Marks" > wrote: > > > All, > > > > I work part time for a small manufacturing firm (about 50 employees) > > with a very limited IT budget. > > > > Currently there are about 20 older PCs running Windows XP (SP3). There > > are two purchased application systems and a number of Access 2007 > > applications. > > > > It is my understanding that Microsoft is dropping all support (including > > security updates) for XP in April of 2014. > > > > My background is primarily in application development and database > > administration. In the past, I have relied on fellow employees for > > "Operating System issues". > > > > I have some dumb questions. > > > > How serious is the issue of Microsoft dropping all support for XP next > > April? > > > > What are most firms migrating to? Win-7? Win-8? > > > > I would guess that either Win-7 or Win-8 will need more horsepower than > > XP and neither will run very well on older PCs. True? > > > > Will Access 2007 applications run Okay with either Win-7 or Win-8? > > > > Thanks, > > Brad > > > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Arthur From jwcolby at gmail.com Tue Aug 20 14:51:48 2013 From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John W Colby) Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2013 15:51:48 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Future of Windows XP In-Reply-To: <5454EE61-AA5C-4CED-8387-ED365984F025@verizon.net> References: <51E28F2A.13403.AEF4E57@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <5454EE61-AA5C-4CED-8387-ED365984F025@verizon.net> Message-ID: <5213C8D4.9020602@gmail.com> I find Windows 7 incredibly stable. A suitable successor to XP. It does require different drivers of course so legacy stuff will have to be run in the XP virtual machine thingie. John W. Colby Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it On 8/19/2013 10:40 PM, Jim Dettman wrote: > Your correct on xp, but that doesn't mean it will stop working. Just no more support or updates. > > Win 7 is where everyone is heading to...I don't see win 8 except on tablets. Microsoft may change that with the update coming out, which brings back the start menu and the familiar desktop. > > And yes, both require more horsepower and certainly more memory. I usually spec out 4GB on stations. > > Jim > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Aug 19, 2013, at 3:07 PM, "Brad Marks" wrote: > >> All, >> >> I work part time for a small manufacturing firm (about 50 employees) >> with a very limited IT budget. >> >> Currently there are about 20 older PCs running Windows XP (SP3). There >> are two purchased application systems and a number of Access 2007 >> applications. >> >> It is my understanding that Microsoft is dropping all support (including >> security updates) for XP in April of 2014. >> >> My background is primarily in application development and database >> administration. In the past, I have relied on fellow employees for >> "Operating System issues". >> >> I have some dumb questions. >> >> How serious is the issue of Microsoft dropping all support for XP next >> April? >> >> What are most firms migrating to? Win-7? Win-8? >> >> I would guess that either Win-7 or Win-8 will need more horsepower than >> XP and neither will run very well on older PCs. True? >> >> Will Access 2007 applications run Okay with either Win-7 or Win-8? >> >> Thanks, >> Brad >> >> -- >> AccessD mailing list >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From dbdoug at gmail.com Tue Aug 20 15:27:26 2013 From: dbdoug at gmail.com (Doug Steele) Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2013 13:27:26 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Future of Windows XP In-Reply-To: References: <51E28F2A.13403.AEF4E57@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: I actually got quite good performance when I installed Windows 7 on an old Toshiba laptop which had been running XP. If I remember correctly, it had 2GB of RAM. Microsoft used to make available a program which would analyze an XP machine and give you an idea of how well it would run Win 7. Sorry, I don't have any more details. Doug On Mon, Aug 19, 2013 at 12:07 PM, Brad Marks wrote: > All, > > I work part time for a small manufacturing firm (about 50 employees) > with a very limited IT budget. > > Currently there are about 20 older PCs running Windows XP (SP3). There > are two purchased application systems and a number of Access 2007 > applications. > > It is my understanding that Microsoft is dropping all support (including > security updates) for XP in April of 2014. > > My background is primarily in application development and database > administration. In the past, I have relied on fellow employees for > "Operating System issues". > > I have some dumb questions. > > How serious is the issue of Microsoft dropping all support for XP next > April? > > What are most firms migrating to? Win-7? Win-8? > > I would guess that either Win-7 or Win-8 will need more horsepower than > XP and neither will run very well on older PCs. True? > > Will Access 2007 applications run Okay with either Win-7 or Win-8? > > Thanks, > Brad > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From dw-murphy at cox.net Tue Aug 20 15:45:59 2013 From: dw-murphy at cox.net (Doug Murphy) Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2013 13:45:59 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Future of Windows XP In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <007101ce9de6$46d6e350$d484a9f0$@cox.net> PS MS Office works just fine on Linux (MS Access as well)...just a little faster but that's all. How do you do this? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brad Marks" < BradM at blackforestltd.com> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" < accessd at databaseadvisors.com> Sent: Monday, August 19, 2013 12:07:58 PM Subject: [AccessD] Future of Windows XP All, I work part time for a small manufacturing firm (about 50 employees) with a very limited IT budget. Currently there are about 20 older PCs running Windows XP (SP3). There are two purchased application systems and a number of Access 2007 applications. It is my understanding that Microsoft is dropping all support (including security updates) for XP in April of 2014. My background is primarily in application development and database administration. In the past, I have relied on fellow employees for "Operating System issues". I have some dumb questions. How serious is the issue of Microsoft dropping all support for XP next April? What are most firms migrating to? Win-7? Win-8? I would guess that either Win-7 or Win-8 will need more horsepower than XP and neither will run very well on older PCs. True? Will Access 2007 applications run Okay with either Win-7 or Win-8? Thanks, Brad -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From BradM at blackforestltd.com Tue Aug 20 16:06:37 2013 From: BradM at blackforestltd.com (Brad Marks) Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2013 16:06:37 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Future of Windows XP - Win-7 Win-8 / 32-Bit 64-Bit References: <51E28F2A.13403.AEF4E57@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <5454EE61-AA5C-4CED-8387-ED365984F025@verizon.net> Message-ID: Jim and John, Thanks for your insights into Win-7 and Win-8. If we go with Windows-7 64-bit, will we be able to run our existing Access 2007 applications? Thanks, Brad -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman Sent: Monday, August 19, 2013 9:40 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Cc: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Future of Windows XP Your correct on xp, but that doesn't mean it will stop working. Just no more support or updates. Win 7 is where everyone is heading to...I don't see win 8 except on tablets. Microsoft may change that with the update coming out, which brings back the start menu and the familiar desktop. And yes, both require more horsepower and certainly more memory. I usually spec out 4GB on stations. Jim Sent from my iPhone On Aug 19, 2013, at 3:07 PM, "Brad Marks" wrote: > All, > > I work part time for a small manufacturing firm (about 50 employees) > with a very limited IT budget. > > Currently there are about 20 older PCs running Windows XP (SP3). > There are two purchased application systems and a number of Access > 2007 applications. > > It is my understanding that Microsoft is dropping all support > (including security updates) for XP in April of 2014. > > My background is primarily in application development and database > administration. In the past, I have relied on fellow employees for > "Operating System issues". > > I have some dumb questions. > > How serious is the issue of Microsoft dropping all support for XP next > April? > > What are most firms migrating to? Win-7? Win-8? > > I would guess that either Win-7 or Win-8 will need more horsepower > than XP and neither will run very well on older PCs. True? > > Will Access 2007 applications run Okay with either Win-7 or Win-8? > > Thanks, > Brad > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- This message was scanned by ESVA and is believed to be clean. Click here to report this message as spam. http://h0stname/cgi-bin/learn-msg.cgi?id=E72B628899.BC510 From charlotte.foust at gmail.com Tue Aug 20 19:15:48 2013 From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust) Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2013 17:15:48 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Future of Windows XP In-Reply-To: <000701ce9d6f$0dac00f0$290402d0$@cactus.dk> References: <51E28F2A.13403.AEF4E57@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <000701ce9d6f$0dac00f0$290402d0$@cactus.dk> Message-ID: Gustav, I wouldn't recommend trying only 2 GB RAM on Win 8, although I've not looked at a 32-bit install. Charlotte. On Mon, Aug 19, 2013 at 11:32 PM, Gustav Brock wrote: > Hi Brad > > In my experience Win7 - and probably Win8 also - for general office use > runs > great on older hardware with Pentium 4+ processor and 2 GB ram. Generally, > Celeron is too slow and 1 GB ram is too little, but if a pc can't handle 2 > GB ram it is very old and neither runs WinXP very well. This is indeed true > for Celeron equipped machines. > > Access 2007+ runs fine on Win7+. > > I guess no one really knows if security updates will be offered on a > limited > scale for XP after April 2014. > > /gustav > > -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- > Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Brad Marks > Sendt: 19. august 2013 21:08 > Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Emne: [AccessD] Future of Windows XP > > All, > > I work part time for a small manufacturing firm (about 50 employees) with a > very limited IT budget. > > Currently there are about 20 older PCs running Windows XP (SP3). There are > two purchased application systems and a number of Access 2007 applications. > > It is my understanding that Microsoft is dropping all support (including > security updates) for XP in April of 2014. > > My background is primarily in application development and database > administration. In the past, I have relied on fellow employees for > "Operating System issues". > > I have some dumb questions. > > How serious is the issue of Microsoft dropping all support for XP next > April? > > What are most firms migrating to? Win-7? Win-8? > > I would guess that either Win-7 or Win-8 will need more horsepower than XP > and neither will run very well on older PCs. True? > > Will Access 2007 applications run Okay with either Win-7 or Win-8? > > Thanks, > Brad > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From vbacreations at gmail.com Tue Aug 20 23:10:48 2013 From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson) Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2013 00:10:48 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Future of Windows XP In-Reply-To: <5454EE61-AA5C-4CED-8387-ED365984F025@verizon.net> References: <51E28F2A.13403.AEF4E57@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <5454EE61-AA5C-4CED-8387-ED365984F025@verizon.net> Message-ID: I do not believe that MS will *DARE* to not continue to provide security patches for newly discovered or (or future-exploited vulnerabilities) in Win XP, if the installed base is significant. Were they to do so, especially ones they are put on notice concerning, that would put their customers squarely in harm's way. I am eager to see them follow through on such a "promise" to drop support, unless they offer a free upgrade path and preserve all client data. Maybe I am just naive....?? On Aug 20, 2013 2:54 PM, "Jim Dettman" wrote: > Your correct on xp, but that doesn't mean it will stop working. Just no > more support or updates. > > Win 7 is where everyone is heading to...I don't see win 8 except on > tablets. Microsoft may change that with the update coming out, which > brings back the start menu and the familiar desktop. > > And yes, both require more horsepower and certainly more memory. I > usually spec out 4GB on stations. > > Jim > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Aug 19, 2013, at 3:07 PM, "Brad Marks" > wrote: > > > All, > > > > I work part time for a small manufacturing firm (about 50 employees) > > with a very limited IT budget. > > > > Currently there are about 20 older PCs running Windows XP (SP3). There > > are two purchased application systems and a number of Access 2007 > > applications. > > > > It is my understanding that Microsoft is dropping all support (including > > security updates) for XP in April of 2014. > > > > My background is primarily in application development and database > > administration. In the past, I have relied on fellow employees for > > "Operating System issues". > > > > I have some dumb questions. > > > > How serious is the issue of Microsoft dropping all support for XP next > > April? > > > > What are most firms migrating to? Win-7? Win-8? > > > > I would guess that either Win-7 or Win-8 will need more horsepower than > > XP and neither will run very well on older PCs. True? > > > > Will Access 2007 applications run Okay with either Win-7 or Win-8? > > > > Thanks, > > Brad > > > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From df.waters at comcast.net Wed Aug 21 09:41:28 2013 From: df.waters at comcast.net (Dan Waters) Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2013 09:41:28 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Forms liberated In-Reply-To: <000501ce9d6d$3e1e43d0$ba5acb70$@cactus.dk> References: <000501ce9d6d$3e1e43d0$ba5acb70$@cactus.dk> Message-ID: <002f01ce9e7c$85507920$8ff16b60$@comcast.net> Hi John, You can set Modal to True and leave Popup at False. This works, but if a form is programmatically opened and then covers the modal form, the whole application would probably be locked. But if that won't happen with your app then maybe that's OK. Dan -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2013 1:20 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Forms liberated Hi John I think it has been so since version 1.0. /gustav -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af John W Colby Sendt: 19. august 2013 19:41 Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Emne: [AccessD] Forms liberated Further to my previous post, it appears that setting the popup property true is what allows the form to move outside of the access container window. Is this something new to Access 2007? My client doesn't like it so I am looking for an alternative other than removing the popup property. -- John W. Colby Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jwcolby at gmail.com Wed Aug 21 11:01:03 2013 From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John W Colby) Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2013 12:01:03 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Forms liberated In-Reply-To: <000501ce9d6d$3e1e43d0$ba5acb70$@cactus.dk> References: <000501ce9d6d$3e1e43d0$ba5acb70$@cactus.dk> Message-ID: <5214E43F.5060506@gmail.com> LOL, probably. I just made a form popup which was not previously and the user started complaining that they could move it out of the Access window. As I like to say about women... Users... ya can't live with 'em and ya can't live with 'em. ;) John W. Colby Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it On 8/20/2013 2:19 AM, Gustav Brock wrote: > Hi John > > I think it has been so since version 1.0. > > /gustav > > -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- > Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af John W Colby > Sendt: 19. august 2013 19:41 > Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Emne: [AccessD] Forms liberated > > Further to my previous post, it appears that setting the popup property true > is what allows the form to move outside of the access container window. Is > this something new to Access 2007? My client doesn't like it so I am > looking for an alternative other than removing the popup property. > > -- > John W. Colby > > Reality is what refuses to go away > when you do not believe in it > > From jimdettman at verizon.net Wed Aug 21 11:39:43 2013 From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman) Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2013 12:39:43 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Future of Windows XP In-Reply-To: <000701ce9d6f$0dac00f0$290402d0$@cactus.dk> References: , <51E28F2A.13403.AEF4E57@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <000701ce9d6f$0dac00f0$290402d0$@cactus.dk> Message-ID: Memory is dirt cheap too in comparison to a getting a faster CPU. I always spec two or three levels down from a top end processor, then throw in more memory, end up saving money, and almost always end up with a faster machine anyway for the way most of my clients work (lot's of apps open, but nothing that's really CPU intensive). That's why I spec most stations with 4GB. Jim. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2013 02:33 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Future of Windows XP Hi Brad In my experience Win7 - and probably Win8 also - for general office use runs great on older hardware with Pentium 4+ processor and 2 GB ram. Generally, Celeron is too slow and 1 GB ram is too little, but if a pc can't handle 2 GB ram it is very old and neither runs WinXP very well. This is indeed true for Celeron equipped machines. Access 2007+ runs fine on Win7+. I guess no one really knows if security updates will be offered on a limited scale for XP after April 2014. /gustav -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Brad Marks Sendt: 19. august 2013 21:08 Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Emne: [AccessD] Future of Windows XP All, I work part time for a small manufacturing firm (about 50 employees) with a very limited IT budget. Currently there are about 20 older PCs running Windows XP (SP3). There are two purchased application systems and a number of Access 2007 applications. It is my understanding that Microsoft is dropping all support (including security updates) for XP in April of 2014. My background is primarily in application development and database administration. In the past, I have relied on fellow employees for "Operating System issues". I have some dumb questions. How serious is the issue of Microsoft dropping all support for XP next April? What are most firms migrating to? Win-7? Win-8? I would guess that either Win-7 or Win-8 will need more horsepower than XP and neither will run very well on older PCs. True? Will Access 2007 applications run Okay with either Win-7 or Win-8? Thanks, Brad -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jimdettman at verizon.net Wed Aug 21 11:43:00 2013 From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman) Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2013 12:43:00 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Future of Windows XP In-Reply-To: <000701ce9d6f$0dac00f0$290402d0$@cactus.dk> References: , <51E28F2A.13403.AEF4E57@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <000701ce9d6f$0dac00f0$290402d0$@cactus.dk> Message-ID: <210088EB27FD4940B86EF3AF6893C4A0@XPS> Memory is dirt cheap too in comparison to a getting a faster CPU. I always spec two or three levels down from a top end processor, then throw in more memory, end up saving money, and almost always end up with a faster machine anyway for the way most of my clients work (lot's of apps open, but nothing that's really CPU intensive). That's why I spec most stations with 4GB. Jim. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2013 02:33 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Future of Windows XP Hi Brad In my experience Win7 - and probably Win8 also - for general office use runs great on older hardware with Pentium 4+ processor and 2 GB ram. Generally, Celeron is too slow and 1 GB ram is too little, but if a pc can't handle 2 GB ram it is very old and neither runs WinXP very well. This is indeed true for Celeron equipped machines. Access 2007+ runs fine on Win7+. I guess no one really knows if security updates will be offered on a limited scale for XP after April 2014. /gustav -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Brad Marks Sendt: 19. august 2013 21:08 Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Emne: [AccessD] Future of Windows XP All, I work part time for a small manufacturing firm (about 50 employees) with a very limited IT budget. Currently there are about 20 older PCs running Windows XP (SP3). There are two purchased application systems and a number of Access 2007 applications. It is my understanding that Microsoft is dropping all support (including security updates) for XP in April of 2014. My background is primarily in application development and database administration. In the past, I have relied on fellow employees for "Operating System issues". I have some dumb questions. How serious is the issue of Microsoft dropping all support for XP next April? What are most firms migrating to? Win-7? Win-8? I would guess that either Win-7 or Win-8 will need more horsepower than XP and neither will run very well on older PCs. True? Will Access 2007 applications run Okay with either Win-7 or Win-8? Thanks, Brad -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From charlotte.foust at gmail.com Wed Aug 21 19:12:23 2013 From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust) Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2013 17:12:23 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Future of Windows XP In-Reply-To: <081cdffa39bd4073824ec488d85b3ee1@SIXPR04MB048.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com> References: <51E28F2A.13403.AEF4E57@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <081cdffa39bd4073824ec488d85b3ee1@SIXPR04MB048.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com> Message-ID: Darryl, I've been using Win 8 since March and I love it. The speed is excellent and my machine (with a registry tweak, IIRC) automatically loads the desktop after the start menu. I've found Win 8 to be stable too. The "fuss" is all UI and getting used to not having tidy menus any more. I also like Office 2013. Charlotte On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 1:05 AM, Darryl Collins < darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au> wrote: > Hi Brad, > > Nearly all the corporate I know of and work with are moving from XP to Win > 7. I don't know of any business that is running win 8 or Office 2013, > although there must be some of them out there. > > Personally I find Win 8 an abomination to use. Sure it is fast, but my > god, it is a pain in the ar$e. I haven't used it a lot, but those I know > who have been using it for months still don't love it. "I am getting used > to it" is the most common refrain, rather than "Wow, Now I love it!". > Urrrrrgh. Wait for W9 I say.... > > In corporate land they are nearly always 2 life cycles behind the cutting > edge. This not only maximises their return on the software costs, but also > minimises the upgrade risk as the initial bugs and UI issues are generally > ironed out by the time the upgrade. The loose rule is 'Never before SP1 > and preferably post SP2' before even considering the upgrade. > > Whislt some businesses / Corporate I work with are on Office 2007, most of > them have gone from XP / Office 2003 straight to Win 7 - Office 2010. > Honestly, you can largely consider Office 2007 as the beta release for > 2010 and most of the IT folks who make the decisions are onto that. 2010 > is pretty good to work with, where as 2007 has plenty of annoyances, even > today. > > As for XP security, there would be some risk if an exploit is found that > it will not be patched. Most folks in business will upgrade when the > support runs out. But I guess that is up the them and there needs and > budgets. > > Good luck. > > Win 7 is a nice OS, stable, quiet and fuss free. Worth considering. If > possible give your old XP machines max RAM, 4GB if they are on less. > > > ________________________________________ > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com < > accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> on behalf of Brad Marks < > BradM at blackforestltd.com> > Sent: Tuesday, 20 August 2013 5:07 AM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: [AccessD] Future of Windows XP > > All, > > I work part time for a small manufacturing firm (about 50 employees) > with a very limited IT budget. > > Currently there are about 20 older PCs running Windows XP (SP3). There > are two purchased application systems and a number of Access 2007 > applications. > > It is my understanding that Microsoft is dropping all support (including > security updates) for XP in April of 2014. > > My background is primarily in application development and database > administration. In the past, I have relied on fellow employees for > "Operating System issues". > > I have some dumb questions. > > How serious is the issue of Microsoft dropping all support for XP next > April? > > What are most firms migrating to? Win-7? Win-8? > > I would guess that either Win-7 or Win-8 will need more horsepower than > XP and neither will run very well on older PCs. True? > > Will Access 2007 applications run Okay with either Win-7 or Win-8? > > Thanks, > Brad > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From fuller.artful at gmail.com Thu Aug 22 04:52:43 2013 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2013 05:52:43 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Future of Windows XP In-Reply-To: References: <51E28F2A.13403.AEF4E57@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <081cdffa39bd4073824ec488d85b3ee1@SIXPR04MB048.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com> Message-ID: I must confess to the same sin, Charlotte. After a couple of days' frustration, Icoupld with reading a guide from Packt, I discovered the magic of the Windows key, and that changed everything. The new laptop I just recently bought (which came with Win8 installed), with 8GB RAM and 1TB hard disk, also helped significantly. I spend half my time in Linux, but I must say that Win8 is a significant leap forward from Win7. Once I learned that you can drag them tiles into a configuration that suits you, then it was a game-changer. Now my Start tile-set only remotely resembles the original setup, and works way more efficiently. I also have a 23" monitor attached to said laptop, in stretch-mode, and that too is a significant step forward. Arthur On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 8:12 PM, Charlotte Foust wrote: > Darryl, > > I've been using Win 8 since March and I love it. The speed is excellent > and my machine (with a registry tweak, IIRC) automatically loads the > desktop after the start menu. I've found Win 8 to be stable too. The > "fuss" is all UI and getting used to not having tidy menus any more. I > also like Office 2013. > > Charlotte > > > On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 1:05 AM, Darryl Collins < > darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au> wrote: > > > Hi Brad, > > > > Nearly all the corporate I know of and work with are moving from XP to > Win > > 7. I don't know of any business that is running win 8 or Office 2013, > > although there must be some of them out there. > > > > Personally I find Win 8 an abomination to use. Sure it is fast, but my > > god, it is a pain in the ar$e. I haven't used it a lot, but those I know > > who have been using it for months still don't love it. "I am getting used > > to it" is the most common refrain, rather than "Wow, Now I love it!". > > Urrrrrgh. Wait for W9 I say.... > > > > In corporate land they are nearly always 2 life cycles behind the cutting > > edge. This not only maximises their return on the software costs, but > also > > minimises the upgrade risk as the initial bugs and UI issues are > generally > > ironed out by the time the upgrade. The loose rule is 'Never before SP1 > > and preferably post SP2' before even considering the upgrade. > > > > Whislt some businesses / Corporate I work with are on Office 2007, most > of > > them have gone from XP / Office 2003 straight to Win 7 - Office 2010. > > Honestly, you can largely consider Office 2007 as the beta release for > > 2010 and most of the IT folks who make the decisions are onto that. 2010 > > is pretty good to work with, where as 2007 has plenty of annoyances, even > > today. > > > > As for XP security, there would be some risk if an exploit is found that > > it will not be patched. Most folks in business will upgrade when the > > support runs out. But I guess that is up the them and there needs and > > budgets. > > > > Good luck. > > > > Win 7 is a nice OS, stable, quiet and fuss free. Worth considering. If > > possible give your old XP machines max RAM, 4GB if they are on less. > > > > > > ________________________________________ > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com < > > accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> on behalf of Brad Marks < > > BradM at blackforestltd.com> > > Sent: Tuesday, 20 August 2013 5:07 AM > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > > Subject: [AccessD] Future of Windows XP > > > > All, > > > > I work part time for a small manufacturing firm (about 50 employees) > > with a very limited IT budget. > > > > Currently there are about 20 older PCs running Windows XP (SP3). There > > are two purchased application systems and a number of Access 2007 > > applications. > > > > It is my understanding that Microsoft is dropping all support (including > > security updates) for XP in April of 2014. > > > > My background is primarily in application development and database > > administration. In the past, I have relied on fellow employees for > > "Operating System issues". > > > > I have some dumb questions. > > > > How serious is the issue of Microsoft dropping all support for XP next > > April? > > > > What are most firms migrating to? Win-7? Win-8? > > > > I would guess that either Win-7 or Win-8 will need more horsepower than > > XP and neither will run very well on older PCs. True? > > > > Will Access 2007 applications run Okay with either Win-7 or Win-8? > > > > Thanks, > > Brad > > > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Arthur From ssharkins at gmail.com Thu Aug 22 08:40:31 2013 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2013 09:40:31 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Upgrade to SQL Server for security Message-ID: <964F127D834746EAA8FB30E9C8011103@SusanHarkins> I have someone interested in upgrading an Access 2003 database to SQL Server -- he doesn't, as yet, have SQL Server. I mentioned SQL Server Express and he might want that option. He needs stronger security than Access 2003 offers, but he doesn't have a lot of users. Security isn't my strength and the db already exists. He wants it upgraded, wants a new interface for SQL Server and tight security over the Internet. I can upgrade it and add the interface, but I can't secure it for him. If you're interested, I'll be glad to pass along your resume. If you're too busy for the entire thing, I can help some. If you want the whole thing, that's Okay with me too -- not terribly keen on development work anymore anyway. If you're interested, send your resume to ssharkins at gmail.com. Thanks! Susan H. From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Thu Aug 22 09:04:00 2013 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2013 07:04:00 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Future of Windows XP In-Reply-To: References: <51E28F2A.13403.AEF4E57@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg><081cdffa39bd4073824ec488d85b3ee1@SIXPR04MB048.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com> Message-ID: Arthur: I have always had a shortcut to 'Computer' on my desktop. I'm using W8 on my new laptop but usually bail out to the W7 desktop. I sued to hit the Start button and then click ''Computer or drag 'Computer' to the desktop for a shortcut. But can't figure out how to get that done in W8. Do you know? I also have a problem on the W8 desktop triggering the icons along the right side for settings, search, etc. Seems that when I'm really trying to get those icons to appear I can't. Then after a few tries they do appear. Is there a trick to that? Thanks Rocky -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2013 2:53 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Future of Windows XP I must confess to the same sin, Charlotte. After a couple of days' frustration, Icoupld with reading a guide from Packt, I discovered the magic of the Windows key, and that changed everything. The new laptop I just recently bought (which came with Win8 installed), with 8GB RAM and 1TB hard disk, also helped significantly. I spend half my time in Linux, but I must say that Win8 is a significant leap forward from Win7. Once I learned that you can drag them tiles into a configuration that suits you, then it was a game-changer. Now my Start tile-set only remotely resembles the original setup, and works way more efficiently. I also have a 23" monitor attached to said laptop, in stretch-mode, and that too is a significant step forward. Arthur On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 8:12 PM, Charlotte Foust wrote: > Darryl, > > I've been using Win 8 since March and I love it. The speed is > excellent and my machine (with a registry tweak, IIRC) automatically > loads the desktop after the start menu. I've found Win 8 to be stable > too. The "fuss" is all UI and getting used to not having tidy menus > any more. I also like Office 2013. > > Charlotte > > > On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 1:05 AM, Darryl Collins < > darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au> wrote: > > > Hi Brad, > > > > Nearly all the corporate I know of and work with are moving from XP > > to > Win > > 7. I don't know of any business that is running win 8 or Office > > 2013, although there must be some of them out there. > > > > Personally I find Win 8 an abomination to use. Sure it is fast, but > > my god, it is a pain in the ar$e. I haven't used it a lot, but > > those I know who have been using it for months still don't love it. > > "I am getting used to it" is the most common refrain, rather than "Wow, Now I love it!". > > Urrrrrgh. Wait for W9 I say.... > > > > In corporate land they are nearly always 2 life cycles behind the > > cutting edge. This not only maximises their return on the software > > costs, but > also > > minimises the upgrade risk as the initial bugs and UI issues are > generally > > ironed out by the time the upgrade. The loose rule is 'Never before > > SP1 and preferably post SP2' before even considering the upgrade. > > > > Whislt some businesses / Corporate I work with are on Office 2007, > > most > of > > them have gone from XP / Office 2003 straight to Win 7 - Office 2010. > > Honestly, you can largely consider Office 2007 as the beta release > > for 2010 and most of the IT folks who make the decisions are onto > > that. 2010 is pretty good to work with, where as 2007 has plenty of > > annoyances, even today. > > > > As for XP security, there would be some risk if an exploit is found > > that it will not be patched. Most folks in business will upgrade > > when the support runs out. But I guess that is up the them and > > there needs and budgets. > > > > Good luck. > > > > Win 7 is a nice OS, stable, quiet and fuss free. Worth considering. > > If possible give your old XP machines max RAM, 4GB if they are on less. > > > > > > ________________________________________ > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com < > > accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> on behalf of Brad Marks < > > BradM at blackforestltd.com> > > Sent: Tuesday, 20 August 2013 5:07 AM > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > > Subject: [AccessD] Future of Windows XP > > > > All, > > > > I work part time for a small manufacturing firm (about 50 employees) > > with a very limited IT budget. > > > > Currently there are about 20 older PCs running Windows XP (SP3). > > There are two purchased application systems and a number of Access > > 2007 applications. > > > > It is my understanding that Microsoft is dropping all support > > (including security updates) for XP in April of 2014. > > > > My background is primarily in application development and database > > administration. In the past, I have relied on fellow employees for > > "Operating System issues". > > > > I have some dumb questions. > > > > How serious is the issue of Microsoft dropping all support for XP > > next April? > > > > What are most firms migrating to? Win-7? Win-8? > > > > I would guess that either Win-7 or Win-8 will need more horsepower > > than XP and neither will run very well on older PCs. True? > > > > Will Access 2007 applications run Okay with either Win-7 or Win-8? > > > > Thanks, > > Brad > > > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Arthur -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From tinanfields at torchlake.com Thu Aug 22 09:25:17 2013 From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields) Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2013 10:25:17 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Relative reference to Word document? Message-ID: <52161F4D.1080503@torchlake.com> Hi, I have a little membership and donors database for my local Habitat office. There is an acknowledgement letter that goes out to donors on a periodic basis, thanking them for their donation and recognizing any particular designation - so, it's a form letter whose data source is a table created by a query that pulls the data for a given deposit date. In the database, I have a little form with instructions to the user to set the date, click the button to make the list of donors, click the button to launch Word and open the acknowledgement form letter, and after the merge is completed and the user returns to the Access form, another button to close the form. ========================================================================= The event procedure to get the form letter looks like this: Private Sub btnContribAcknowledgeLtr_Click() On Error GoTo Err_btnContribAcknowledgeLtr_Click Call RunApp("V:\Admin Asst\Access\HFHV11_Files\TinaDonationTestLtr2.doc", 1) Exit_btnContribAcknowledgeLtr_Click: Exit Sub Err_btnContribAcknowledgeLtr_Click: MsgBox Err.Description Resume Exit_btnContribAcknowledgeLtr_Click End Sub ========================================================================= As you see, the RunApp call uses an absolute reference to the location of the form letter. Every so often, somebody moves the database directory to a different folder and the path gets lost. What I want to do is place the form letter in the same folder as the database and use a relative reference, but, so far I have been unable to do that. It seems so simple, but I'm not succeeding. Oh, yeah - history. This database was first developed in Access 97, then converted for A2003, then A2007, and now the office is updating to A2013. I've already discovered that all my nice calendar controls got broken and I'm reconfiguring my forms to use the textbox date picker. But, I just know there must be references and other goodies that are also broken. I'll appreciate any help you guys are able and willing to provide. Ideas? TNF -- Tina Norris Fields tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com 231-322-2787 From listmaster at databaseadvisors.com Thu Aug 22 11:26:24 2013 From: listmaster at databaseadvisors.com (Bryan Carbonnell) Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2013 12:26:24 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Administrivia - Server Back Up and Running Message-ID: As you may have noticed, the past couple of days has had sporadic traffic at best. After much head scratching, hair pulling out, foul language, and all around pissed-offedness we are back up and running. If you notice any issues PLEASE let me know, listmaster at databaseadvisors.com or carbonnb at gmail.com Your humble listmaster. -- Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "What a great ride!" From dbdoug at gmail.com Thu Aug 22 11:29:26 2013 From: dbdoug at gmail.com (Doug Steele) Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2013 09:29:26 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Future of Windows XP - Win-7 Win-8 / 32-Bit 64-Bit In-Reply-To: References: <51E28F2A.13403.AEF4E57@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <5454EE61-AA5C-4CED-8387-ED365984F025@verizon.net> Message-ID: Access 2003/2007/2010 on Win7 64 bit all work fine for me. Doug On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 2:06 PM, Brad Marks wrote: > Jim and John, > > Thanks for your insights into Win-7 and Win-8. > > If we go with Windows-7 64-bit, will we be able to run our existing > Access 2007 applications? > > Thanks, > Brad > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman > Sent: Monday, August 19, 2013 9:40 PM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Cc: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Future of Windows XP > > Your correct on xp, but that doesn't mean it will stop working. Just no > more support or updates. > > Win 7 is where everyone is heading to...I don't see win 8 except on > tablets. Microsoft may change that with the update coming out, which > brings back the start menu and the familiar desktop. > > And yes, both require more horsepower and certainly more memory. > I usually spec out 4GB on stations. > > Jim > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Aug 19, 2013, at 3:07 PM, "Brad Marks" > wrote: > > > All, > > > > I work part time for a small manufacturing firm (about 50 employees) > > with a very limited IT budget. > > > > Currently there are about 20 older PCs running Windows XP (SP3). > > There are two purchased application systems and a number of Access > > 2007 applications. > > > > It is my understanding that Microsoft is dropping all support > > (including security updates) for XP in April of 2014. > > > > My background is primarily in application development and database > > administration. In the past, I have relied on fellow employees for > > "Operating System issues". > > > > I have some dumb questions. > > > > How serious is the issue of Microsoft dropping all support for XP next > > > April? > > > > What are most firms migrating to? Win-7? Win-8? > > > > I would guess that either Win-7 or Win-8 will need more horsepower > > than XP and neither will run very well on older PCs. True? > > > > Will Access 2007 applications run Okay with either Win-7 or Win-8? > > > > Thanks, > > Brad > > > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > This message was scanned by ESVA and is believed to be clean. > Click here to report this message as spam. > http://h0stname/cgi-bin/learn-msg.cgi?id=E72B628899.BC510 > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From charlotte.foust at gmail.com Thu Aug 22 11:50:27 2013 From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust) Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2013 09:50:27 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Forms liberated In-Reply-To: <5214E43F.5060506@gmail.com> References: <000501ce9d6d$3e1e43d0$ba5acb70$@cactus.dk> <5214E43F.5060506@gmail.com> Message-ID: Then the obvious answer is to maximize the Access window, John. ;) They can't possibly move it outside that unless they're using a second monitor. Charlotte On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 9:01 AM, John W Colby wrote: > LOL, probably. > > I just made a form popup which was not previously and the user started > complaining that they could move it out of the Access window. > > As I like to say about women... > > Users... ya can't live with 'em and ya can't live with 'em. > > ;) > > > > John W. Colby > > Reality is what refuses to go away > when you do not believe in it > > On 8/20/2013 2:19 AM, Gustav Brock wrote: > >> Hi John >> >> I think it has been so since version 1.0. >> >> /gustav >> >> -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- >> Fra: accessd-bounces@**databaseadvisors.com >> [mailto:accessd-bounces@**databaseadvisors.com] >> P? vegne af John W Colby >> Sendt: 19. august 2013 19:41 >> Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving >> Emne: [AccessD] Forms liberated >> >> Further to my previous post, it appears that setting the popup property >> true >> is what allows the form to move outside of the access container window. >> Is >> this something new to Access 2007? My client doesn't like it so I am >> looking for an alternative other than removing the popup property. >> >> -- >> John W. Colby >> >> Reality is what refuses to go away >> when you do not believe in it >> >> >> > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.**com > From bill_patten at embarqmail.com Thu Aug 22 11:58:44 2013 From: bill_patten at embarqmail.com (Bill Patten) Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2013 09:58:44 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Future of Windows XP In-Reply-To: References: <51E28F2A.13403.AEF4E57@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg><081cdffa39bd4073824ec488d85b3ee1@SIXPR04MB048.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com> Message-ID: <0CF6BCE5E1D6468CABE71ABE253E99B9@BPCS> Rocky Just right click on the desktop screen , select personalization and then change desktop items on the upper left pane. Then select the ones you want. Also if you haven't checked it our on the desktop screen, pull the mouse down to the lower left where the Metro screen is and RIGHT click lots of useful menus like Disk Manager Control Pane etc. Bill -----Original Message----- From: Rocky Smolin Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2013 7:04 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Future of Windows XP Arthur: I have always had a shortcut to 'Computer' on my desktop. I'm using W8 on my new laptop but usually bail out to the W7 desktop. I sued to hit the Start button and then click ''Computer or drag 'Computer' to the desktop for a shortcut. But can't figure out how to get that done in W8. Do you know? I also have a problem on the W8 desktop triggering the icons along the right side for settings, search, etc. Seems that when I'm really trying to get those icons to appear I can't. Then after a few tries they do appear. Is there a trick to that? Thanks Rocky -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2013 2:53 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Future of Windows XP I must confess to the same sin, Charlotte. After a couple of days' frustration, Icoupld with reading a guide from Packt, I discovered the magic of the Windows key, and that changed everything. The new laptop I just recently bought (which came with Win8 installed), with 8GB RAM and 1TB hard disk, also helped significantly. I spend half my time in Linux, but I must say that Win8 is a significant leap forward from Win7. Once I learned that you can drag them tiles into a configuration that suits you, then it was a game-changer. Now my Start tile-set only remotely resembles the original setup, and works way more efficiently. I also have a 23" monitor attached to said laptop, in stretch-mode, and that too is a significant step forward. Arthur On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 8:12 PM, Charlotte Foust wrote: > Darryl, > > I've been using Win 8 since March and I love it. The speed is > excellent and my machine (with a registry tweak, IIRC) automatically > loads the desktop after the start menu. I've found Win 8 to be stable > too. The "fuss" is all UI and getting used to not having tidy menus > any more. I also like Office 2013. > > Charlotte > > > On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 1:05 AM, Darryl Collins < > darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au> wrote: > > > Hi Brad, > > > > Nearly all the corporate I know of and work with are moving from XP > > to > Win > > 7. I don't know of any business that is running win 8 or Office > > 2013, although there must be some of them out there. > > > > Personally I find Win 8 an abomination to use. Sure it is fast, but > > my god, it is a pain in the ar$e. I haven't used it a lot, but > > those I know who have been using it for months still don't love it. > > "I am getting used to it" is the most common refrain, rather than "Wow, Now I love it!". > > Urrrrrgh. Wait for W9 I say.... > > > > In corporate land they are nearly always 2 life cycles behind the > > cutting edge. This not only maximises their return on the software > > costs, but > also > > minimises the upgrade risk as the initial bugs and UI issues are > generally > > ironed out by the time the upgrade. The loose rule is 'Never before > > SP1 and preferably post SP2' before even considering the upgrade. > > > > Whislt some businesses / Corporate I work with are on Office 2007, > > most > of > > them have gone from XP / Office 2003 straight to Win 7 - Office 2010. > > Honestly, you can largely consider Office 2007 as the beta release > > for 2010 and most of the IT folks who make the decisions are onto > > that. 2010 is pretty good to work with, where as 2007 has plenty of > > annoyances, even today. > > > > As for XP security, there would be some risk if an exploit is found > > that it will not be patched. Most folks in business will upgrade > > when the support runs out. But I guess that is up the them and > > there needs and budgets. > > > > Good luck. > > > > Win 7 is a nice OS, stable, quiet and fuss free. Worth considering. > > If possible give your old XP machines max RAM, 4GB if they are on less. > > > > > > ________________________________________ > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com < > > accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> on behalf of Brad Marks < > > BradM at blackforestltd.com> > > Sent: Tuesday, 20 August 2013 5:07 AM > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > > Subject: [AccessD] Future of Windows XP > > > > All, > > > > I work part time for a small manufacturing firm (about 50 employees) > > with a very limited IT budget. > > > > Currently there are about 20 older PCs running Windows XP (SP3). > > There are two purchased application systems and a number of Access > > 2007 applications. > > > > It is my understanding that Microsoft is dropping all support > > (including security updates) for XP in April of 2014. > > > > My background is primarily in application development and database > > administration. In the past, I have relied on fellow employees for > > "Operating System issues". > > > > I have some dumb questions. > > > > How serious is the issue of Microsoft dropping all support for XP > > next April? > > > > What are most firms migrating to? Win-7? Win-8? > > > > I would guess that either Win-7 or Win-8 will need more horsepower > > than XP and neither will run very well on older PCs. True? > > > > Will Access 2007 applications run Okay with either Win-7 or Win-8? > > > > Thanks, > > Brad > > > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Arthur -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From tinanfields at torchlake.com Thu Aug 22 12:04:04 2013 From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields) Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2013 13:04:04 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Administrivia - Server Back Up and Running In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <52164484.3070302@torchlake.com> Thank you, thank you, thank you! TNF Tina Norris Fields tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com 231-322-2787 On 8/22/2013 12:26 PM, Bryan Carbonnell wrote: > As you may have noticed, the past couple of days has had sporadic > traffic at best. > > After much head scratching, hair pulling out, foul language, and all > around pissed-offedness we are back up and running. > > If you notice any issues PLEASE let me know, > listmaster at databaseadvisors.com or carbonnb at gmail.com > > Your humble listmaster. > > From jbartow at winhaven.net Thu Aug 22 12:31:14 2013 From: jbartow at winhaven.net (John R Bartow) Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2013 12:31:14 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Future of Windows XP In-Reply-To: <5213C8D4.9020602@gmail.com> References: <51E28F2A.13403.AEF4E57@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <5454EE61-AA5C-4CED-8387-ED365984F025@verizon.net> <5213C8D4.9020602@gmail.com> Message-ID: <041701ce9f5d$6773f2b0$365bd810$@winhaven.net> And therein lies the biggest issue I have had with Windows 7 (which I love) - printer drivers. Many older small printers aren't supported. I've had to replace a number of old workhorse HP LaserJets just because of the driver issue. HP could have made them work but choose not to. Most large copier/printers are supported though. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W Colby Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2013 2:52 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Future of Windows XP I find Windows 7 incredibly stable. A suitable successor to XP. It does require different drivers of course so legacy stuff will have to be run in the XP virtual machine thingie. John W. Colby Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it On 8/19/2013 10:40 PM, Jim Dettman wrote: > Your correct on xp, but that doesn't mean it will stop working. Just no more support or updates. > > Win 7 is where everyone is heading to...I don't see win 8 except on tablets. Microsoft may change that with the update coming out, which brings back the start menu and the familiar desktop. > > And yes, both require more horsepower and certainly more memory. I usually spec out 4GB on stations. > > Jim > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Aug 19, 2013, at 3:07 PM, "Brad Marks" wrote: > >> All, >> >> I work part time for a small manufacturing firm (about 50 employees) >> with a very limited IT budget. >> >> Currently there are about 20 older PCs running Windows XP (SP3). >> There are two purchased application systems and a number of Access >> 2007 applications. >> >> It is my understanding that Microsoft is dropping all support >> (including security updates) for XP in April of 2014. >> >> My background is primarily in application development and database >> administration. In the past, I have relied on fellow employees for >> "Operating System issues". >> >> I have some dumb questions. >> >> How serious is the issue of Microsoft dropping all support for XP >> next April? >> >> What are most firms migrating to? Win-7? Win-8? >> >> I would guess that either Win-7 or Win-8 will need more horsepower >> than XP and neither will run very well on older PCs. True? >> >> Will Access 2007 applications run Okay with either Win-7 or Win-8? >> >> Thanks, >> Brad >> >> -- >> AccessD mailing list >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Thu Aug 22 12:42:08 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2013 11:42:08 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [AccessD] Future of Windows XP In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <784110099.37118343.1377193328969.JavaMail.root@cds002> Now a days it is possible to mix and match what ever OS you want. Even ten years ago that was not possible. Today you can run a Mac next to Windows next to Linux and all with virtually the same programs or functionality and all with complete data integration. In addition, my bet is that more than fifty percent of all new applications come out as web based and then they run on all browsers and on every OS. The days of OS isolation (the walled garden or is it gulag?) are gone. Anyone trying to create their own stand alone environment, in these days, will find their products isolated and ignored. The big sellers or the apps being most adopted are the ones that will allow you to connect one product to another...the easier the better. From the "oldies but goodies" like telnet to remote take over products (Hamachi, Teamviewer, RDP, Splashtop and so on) to Cloud based storage. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arthur Fuller" To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2013 1:21:51 AM Subject: Re: [AccessD] Future of Windows XP First of all, there are no stupid (dumb is a special word to be used only in the context of people unable to speak; implying nothing about their IQ, which in itself is a can of worms; thus my rephrasing of your call for help) questions, only stupid people. Back to your question. I would heartily recommend a move to Windows 8, as opposed to a move to Windows 7. I have previously blogged about how much I hated Win8 but have since changed my mind, and now I'm quite comfortable in this new environment. The key thing is to notice what happens with a single tap upon the Windows key: it switches you from Tiles to a familiar Win7-like interface. Second important item: you can rearrange your Tiles simply by clicking once and then dragging and dropping them to any configuration that you desire. My own preferred configuration is that "Start" includes the tiles for Chrome, FireFox, SSMS, MediaMonkey, Alpha Anywhere and the standards such as Weather. In terms of RAM, Win 8 is less demanding than XP or Win 7, so you won't have to upgrade any hardware to leap into the Brave New World. I would suggest that you consider a leap to Ubuntu or Mint (both Linux-based) but that might be too large a leap for your ~50 user base. However, there may be a middle ground: take your most advanced user and set up a dual boot on his or her machine, and have him/her toy with OpenOffice and/or LibreOffice and see how it works out. The large failing of both office products is their inability to duplicate the functionality of VBA within the Office line of products. I have made some serious dollars in knowing how to integrate the Office apps with custom code, and so far as I can see these customizations are not possible in OpenOffice and LibreOffice. On the other hand, if you have no need for such custom code, then either OpenOffice or LibreOffice are free alternatives to the MS package. Both OpenOffice and LibreOffice are freely downloadable, Thumbnail: Just because M$ wants you to abandon XP is not a compelling reason to do so. If it works, it works. No point in breaking what works. Or, to put it another way, when was the last time you sent an email to the SP team at M$? If anything exemplifies the term "unresponsive", I would cite M$ as my principal evidence. Should you choose to migrate, I see no point in migrating to Win7. Bite the bullet and go to Windows 8. It takes a couple of days to become familiar with the transition, so you may have to factor the cost of lessons into your migration strategy If you're determined to migrate and also remain within the Windows realm, then Win8 is the best approach If you're more open-minded (this thought extends from your mention of budget constraints), then I would suggest a move to either Ubuntu or Mint, both of which are freely downloadable, and also included in these distros are OpenOffice and LibreOffice. My suggestion, in sum, is to download either Ubuntu or Mint and install it on one machine, for your senior tech person to play with. Should said tech-person issue a "Go" then one by one, each system can be replaced with a Linux version. The problem is the VBA code, which is not portable to the various implementations of Officw. However, there is an alternative approach, whose name is WINE This package enables you to run Windows apps within a Linus window On Mon, Aug 19, 2013 at 3:07 PM, Brad Marks wrote: > All, > > I work part time for a small manufacturing firm (about 50 employees) > with a very limited IT budget. > > Currently there are about 20 older PCs running Windows XP (SP3). There > are two purchased application systems and a number of Access 2007 > applications. > > It is my understanding that Microsoft is dropping all support (including > security updates) for XP in April of 2014. > > My background is primarily in application development and database > administration. In the past, I have relied on fellow employees for > "Operating System issues". > > I have some dumb questions. > > How serious is the issue of Microsoft dropping all support for XP next > April? > > What are most firms migrating to? Win-7? Win-8? > > I would guess that either Win-7 or Win-8 will need more horsepower than > XP and neither will run very well on older PCs. True? > > Will Access 2007 applications run Okay with either Win-7 or Win-8? > > Thanks, > Brad > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Arthur -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Thu Aug 22 12:46:07 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2013 11:46:07 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [AccessD] Future of Windows XP In-Reply-To: <00cc01ce9dc8$a55febb0$f01fc310$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: <894860069.37122663.1377193567555.JavaMail.root@cds002> Good advice. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "John R Bartow" To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2013 10:13:52 AM Subject: Re: [AccessD] Future of Windows XP Hi Brad, I wouldn't worry a lot about WinXP not being supported. Just make sure you have good entry and end point security in your business. Eliminate any internet use where not absolutely needed. Where needed, quite using IE8 and move users to Firefox or Chrome. If possible only access the internet via a virtual machine on the PC. Windows 7/8 both require more RAM than XP. While I have upgraded older XP PCs to Windows 7, it is rarely a long term, cost effective thing to do. I suggest a budgeted migration to new PCs over a sustainable period of time. Replace the computers for those who use them the most rather than by position or seniority. (Never goes over to well ego-wise but makes the most sense business-wise.) Start with the tech savvy users who will learn the differences and help others when they get their new one. The standard business computers I work with are: Dell OptiPlex 3010 - Intel Core i5 i5-3470 3.20 GHz - Small Form Factor - 4 GB RAM - 500 GB HDD - DVD-Writer - Intel HD 2500 Graphics - Genuine Windows 7 Professional 64-bit w/3yr NBD warranty. Right now I'm paying less than $550 per unit. You can ramp up a bit to the next level of OptiPlex for a couple hundred bucks but this seems to be the best price/performance and suits my customers well. I have never had an issue with an OptiPlex. They're like the tanks of the PC world. I would strongly suggest thoroughly testing the applications on Windows 7/8 (whichever you decide to move to in the future). Since you have purchased applications, I would refer you to the publisher as to whether or not they are compatible. In house A2007 should be if they are Access only. But I would personally test every aspect of them to be sure. You're going to have to move to a new version eventually so this will give you insights as to what needs to be changed if anything. Worst case is you run your apps in a virtual XP machine within Windows 7/8. HTH John B -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brad Marks Sent: Monday, August 19, 2013 2:08 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: [AccessD] Future of Windows XP All, I work part time for a small manufacturing firm (about 50 employees) with a very limited IT budget. Currently there are about 20 older PCs running Windows XP (SP3). There are two purchased application systems and a number of Access 2007 applications. It is my understanding that Microsoft is dropping all support (including security updates) for XP in April of 2014. My background is primarily in application development and database administration. In the past, I have relied on fellow employees for "Operating System issues". I have some dumb questions. How serious is the issue of Microsoft dropping all support for XP next April? What are most firms migrating to? Win-7? Win-8? I would guess that either Win-7 or Win-8 will need more horsepower than XP and neither will run very well on older PCs. True? Will Access 2007 applications run Okay with either Win-7 or Win-8? Thanks, Brad -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jwcolby at gmail.com Thu Aug 22 12:53:30 2013 From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John W Colby) Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2013 13:53:30 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Forms liberated In-Reply-To: References: <5212589C.9050503@gmail.com> Message-ID: <5216501A.7080000@gmail.com> LOL, the client decides what is a virtue and what is a liability. John W. Colby Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it On 8/20/2013 8:17 AM, Arthur Fuller wrote: > Huh? I deem the ability to move a dialog outside the app window invaluable, > and would also suggest that virtually all software that adheres to the > standard Windows conventions does exactly the same. This is a virtue, not a > liability. > > > On Mon, Aug 19, 2013 at 8:04 PM, William Benson wrote: > >> Modal? >> On Aug 19, 2013 7:36 PM, "John W Colby" wrote: >> >>> Further to my previous post, it appears that setting the popup property >>> true is what allows the form to move outside of the access container >>> window. Is this something new to Access 2007? My client doesn't like it >>> so I am looking for an alternative other than removing the popup >> property. >>> -- >>> John W. Colby >>> >>> Reality is what refuses to go away >>> when you do not believe in it >>> >>> -- >>> AccessD mailing list >>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >>> http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/accessd< >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd> >>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.**com< >> http://www.databaseadvisors.com> >> -- >> AccessD mailing list >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> > > From jwcolby at gmail.com Thu Aug 22 12:55:48 2013 From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John W Colby) Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2013 13:55:48 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Forms liberated In-Reply-To: References: <000501ce9d6d$3e1e43d0$ba5acb70$@cactus.dk> <5214E43F.5060506@gmail.com> Message-ID: <521650A4.6030702@gmail.com> Everyone in the company has dual monitors. 3000+ people. John W. Colby Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it On 8/22/2013 12:50 PM, Charlotte Foust wrote: > Then the obvious answer is to maximize the Access window, John. ;) They > can't possibly move it outside that unless they're using a second monitor. > > Charlotte > > > On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 9:01 AM, John W Colby wrote: > >> LOL, probably. >> >> I just made a form popup which was not previously and the user started >> complaining that they could move it out of the Access window. >> >> As I like to say about women... >> >> Users... ya can't live with 'em and ya can't live with 'em. >> >> ;) >> >> >> >> John W. Colby >> >> Reality is what refuses to go away >> when you do not believe in it >> >> On 8/20/2013 2:19 AM, Gustav Brock wrote: >> >>> Hi John >>> >>> I think it has been so since version 1.0. >>> >>> /gustav >>> >>> -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- >>> Fra: accessd-bounces@**databaseadvisors.com >>> [mailto:accessd-bounces@**databaseadvisors.com] >>> P? vegne af John W Colby >>> Sendt: 19. august 2013 19:41 >>> Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving >>> Emne: [AccessD] Forms liberated >>> >>> Further to my previous post, it appears that setting the popup property >>> true >>> is what allows the form to move outside of the access container window. >>> Is >>> this something new to Access 2007? My client doesn't like it so I am >>> looking for an alternative other than removing the popup property. >>> >>> -- >>> John W. Colby >>> >>> Reality is what refuses to go away >>> when you do not believe in it >>> >>> >>> >> -- >> AccessD mailing list >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/accessd >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.**com >> From accessd at shaw.ca Thu Aug 22 13:01:42 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2013 12:01:42 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [AccessD] Future of Windows XP In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <2074237029.37136515.1377194502171.JavaMail.root@cds002> I think it is best to take your queues from Financial Institutions. What ever they move to is safest and best as they do no release products to their staff until every piece of software they use is tested and tested. Windows 7 is probably the best bet for regional offices, Linux is the best bet corporate offices where there are plenty of full-time technical support is available. Many offices use Macs but they have not enjoyed wide range adoption because of their high price and incompatibility with a number of key pieces of legacy software. In these environments Windows 8 is still viewed as bleeding edge and will remain so for the next five years at least. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charlotte Foust" To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2013 10:14:55 AM Subject: Re: [AccessD] Future of Windows XP The firms I've worked with are migrating to Win 7 and either 2007 or 2010. Win 8 hasn't had all the kinks worked out and it's too different from what users are accustomed to to tempt any company that doesn't fancy being on the bleeding edge of technology. The release of Win 8.1 may change that, but that's what I've seen so far. MS dropping support for XP means that any future exploits discovered against the operating system won't be patched, leaving it up to the company to beef up their systems security and burn a lot of incense. Access 2007 runs just fine on Win 7, and it should run on Win 8. I jumped to Win 8 on a new machine, so I didn't install the older versions, but maybe someone else has loaded it on a VM. Charlotte On Mon, Aug 19, 2013 at 12:07 PM, Brad Marks wrote: > All, > > I work part time for a small manufacturing firm (about 50 employees) > with a very limited IT budget. > > Currently there are about 20 older PCs running Windows XP (SP3). There > are two purchased application systems and a number of Access 2007 > applications. > > It is my understanding that Microsoft is dropping all support (including > security updates) for XP in April of 2014. > > My background is primarily in application development and database > administration. In the past, I have relied on fellow employees for > "Operating System issues". > > I have some dumb questions. > > How serious is the issue of Microsoft dropping all support for XP next > April? > > What are most firms migrating to? Win-7? Win-8? > > I would guess that either Win-7 or Win-8 will need more horsepower than > XP and neither will run very well on older PCs. True? > > Will Access 2007 applications run Okay with either Win-7 or Win-8? > > Thanks, > Brad > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Thu Aug 22 13:47:25 2013 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2013 14:47:25 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Relative reference to Word document? In-Reply-To: <52161F4D.1080503@torchlake.com> References: <52161F4D.1080503@torchlake.com> Message-ID: Tina, Use the CurDir() function to obtain the name of the current directory. Arthur On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 10:25 AM, Tina Norris Fields < tinanfields at torchlake.com> wrote: > Hi, > > I have a little membership and donors database for my local Habitat > office. There is an acknowledgement letter that goes out to donors on a > periodic basis, thanking them for their donation and recognizing any > particular designation - so, it's a form letter whose data source is a > table created by a query that pulls the data for a given deposit date. > > In the database, I have a little form with instructions to the user to set > the date, click the button to make the list of donors, click the button to > launch Word and open the acknowledgement form letter, and after the merge > is completed and the user returns to the Access form, another button to > close the form. > > ==============================**==============================** > ============= > The event procedure to get the form letter looks like this: > > Private Sub btnContribAcknowledgeLtr_**Click() > On Error GoTo Err_btnContribAcknowledgeLtr_**Click > > Call RunApp("V:\Admin Asst\Access\HFHV11_Files\**TinaDonationTestLtr2.doc", > 1) > > Exit_btnContribAcknowledgeLtr_**Click: > Exit Sub > > Err_btnContribAcknowledgeLtr_**Click: > MsgBox Err.Description > Resume Exit_btnContribAcknowledgeLtr_**Click > > End Sub > ==============================**==============================** > ============= > > As you see, the RunApp call uses an absolute reference to the location of > the form letter. > > Every so often, somebody moves the database directory to a different > folder and the path gets lost. What I want to do is place the form letter > in the same folder as the database and use a relative reference, but, so > far I have been unable to do that. It seems so simple, but I'm not > succeeding. > > Oh, yeah - history. This database was first developed in Access 97, then > converted for A2003, then A2007, and now the office is updating to A2013. > I've already discovered that all my nice calendar controls got broken and > I'm reconfiguring my forms to use the textbox date picker. But, I just > know there must be references and other goodies that are also broken. I'll > appreciate any help you guys are able and willing to provide. > > Ideas? > > TNF > > -- > Tina Norris Fields > tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-**com > 231-322-2787 > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.**com > -- Arthur From accessd at shaw.ca Thu Aug 22 13:50:24 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2013 12:50:24 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [AccessD] Future of Windows XP In-Reply-To: <007101ce9de6$46d6e350$d484a9f0$@cox.net> Message-ID: <1159993976.37188407.1377197424621.JavaMail.root@cds002> The Wine product that runs on virtually all distros of Linux. http://www.winehq.org/ It is not a virtual drive (like NTVDM) or an emulator but a product that is totally integrated environment. This means that any Windows program running with it will perform as fast or faster than it would natively. There is a full set of documentation and Forums which can assist with any product installation. Here is a link to the process of installing Microsoft Office on Ubuntu Linux: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Microsoft_Office To the best of my knowledge WineHQ supports every Office version from '95 to 2013 but I have only installed and tested Office 2003, which worked without issues...my MS Access 2003 applications and all. Note, that Wine runs just about everything; most major games, all Adobe products and even remote take-over products like TeamViewer. In addition there are commercial products that can also make the move effortless: http://www2.codeweavers.com/products/#cxlinux Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug Murphy" To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2013 1:45:59 PM Subject: Re: [AccessD] Future of Windows XP PS MS Office works just fine on Linux (MS Access as well)...just a little faster but that's all. How do you do this? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brad Marks" < BradM at blackforestltd.com> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" < accessd at databaseadvisors.com> Sent: Monday, August 19, 2013 12:07:58 PM Subject: [AccessD] Future of Windows XP All, I work part time for a small manufacturing firm (about 50 employees) with a very limited IT budget. Currently there are about 20 older PCs running Windows XP (SP3). There are two purchased application systems and a number of Access 2007 applications. It is my understanding that Microsoft is dropping all support (including security updates) for XP in April of 2014. My background is primarily in application development and database administration. In the past, I have relied on fellow employees for "Operating System issues". I have some dumb questions. How serious is the issue of Microsoft dropping all support for XP next April? What are most firms migrating to? Win-7? Win-8? I would guess that either Win-7 or Win-8 will need more horsepower than XP and neither will run very well on older PCs. True? Will Access 2007 applications run Okay with either Win-7 or Win-8? Thanks, Brad -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jwcolby at gmail.com Thu Aug 22 13:58:23 2013 From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John W Colby) Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2013 14:58:23 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Future of Windows XP In-Reply-To: <1159993976.37188407.1377197424621.JavaMail.root@cds002> References: <1159993976.37188407.1377197424621.JavaMail.root@cds002> Message-ID: <52165F4F.1020505@gmail.com> That is nothing short of amazing if you ask me. I tried wine many years ago and it was... unpleasant. John W. Colby Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it On 8/22/2013 2:50 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > The Wine product that runs on virtually all distros of Linux. > > http://www.winehq.org/ > > It is not a virtual drive (like NTVDM) or an emulator but a product that is totally integrated environment. This means that any Windows program running with it will perform as fast or faster than it would natively. There is a full set of documentation and Forums which can assist with any product installation. > > Here is a link to the process of installing Microsoft Office on Ubuntu Linux: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Microsoft_Office > > To the best of my knowledge WineHQ supports every Office version from '95 to 2013 but I have only installed and tested Office 2003, which worked without issues...my MS Access 2003 applications and all. Note, that Wine runs just about everything; most major games, all Adobe products and even remote take-over products like TeamViewer. > > In addition there are commercial products that can also make the move effortless: > http://www2.codeweavers.com/products/#cxlinux > > Jim > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Doug Murphy" > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" > Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2013 1:45:59 PM > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Future of Windows XP > > > > > > PS MS Office works just fine on Linux (MS Access as well)...just a little > faster but that's all. > > > > How do you do this? > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Brad Marks" < > BradM at blackforestltd.com> > > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" < > accessd at databaseadvisors.com> > > Sent: Monday, August 19, 2013 12:07:58 PM > > Subject: [AccessD] Future of Windows XP > > > > All, > > > > I work part time for a small manufacturing firm (about 50 employees) with a > very limited IT budget. > > > > Currently there are about 20 older PCs running Windows XP (SP3). There are > two purchased application systems and a number of Access 2007 applications. > > > > It is my understanding that Microsoft is dropping all support (including > security updates) for XP in April of 2014. > > > > My background is primarily in application development and database > administration. In the past, I have relied on fellow employees for > "Operating System issues". > > > > I have some dumb questions. > > > > How serious is the issue of Microsoft dropping all support for XP next > April? > > > > What are most firms migrating to? Win-7? Win-8? > > > > I would guess that either Win-7 or Win-8 will need more horsepower than XP > and neither will run very well on older PCs. True? > > > > Will Access 2007 applications run Okay with either Win-7 or Win-8? > > > > Thanks, > > Brad > > > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From dw-murphy at cox.net Thu Aug 22 14:24:28 2013 From: dw-murphy at cox.net (Doug Murphy) Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2013 12:24:28 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Future of Windows XP In-Reply-To: References: <007101ce9de6$46d6e350$d484a9f0$@cox.net> Message-ID: <00b301ce9f6d$38526a60$a8f73f20$@cox.net> Cool! I'll look into that. Thank you for the info. Doug -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2013 11:50 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Future of Windows XP The Wine product that runs on virtually all distros of Linux. http://www.winehq.org/ It is not a virtual drive (like NTVDM) or an emulator but a product that is totally integrated environment. This means that any Windows program running with it will perform as fast or faster than it would natively. There is a full set of documentation and Forums which can assist with any product installation. Here is a link to the process of installing Microsoft Office on Ubuntu Linux: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Microsoft_Office To the best of my knowledge WineHQ supports every Office version from '95 to 2013 but I have only installed and tested Office 2003, which worked without issues...my MS Access 2003 applications and all. Note, that Wine runs just about everything; most major games, all Adobe products and even remote take-over products like TeamViewer. In addition there are commercial products that can also make the move effortless: http://www2.codeweavers.com/products/#cxlinux Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug Murphy" To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2013 1:45:59 PM Subject: Re: [AccessD] Future of Windows XP PS MS Office works just fine on Linux (MS Access as well)...just a little faster but that's all. How do you do this? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brad Marks" < BradM at blackforestltd.com> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" < accessd at databaseadvisors.com> Sent: Monday, August 19, 2013 12:07:58 PM Subject: [AccessD] Future of Windows XP All, I work part time for a small manufacturing firm (about 50 employees) with a very limited IT budget. Currently there are about 20 older PCs running Windows XP (SP3). There are two purchased application systems and a number of Access 2007 applications. It is my understanding that Microsoft is dropping all support (including security updates) for XP in April of 2014. My background is primarily in application development and database administration. In the past, I have relied on fellow employees for "Operating System issues". I have some dumb questions. How serious is the issue of Microsoft dropping all support for XP next April? What are most firms migrating to? Win-7? Win-8? I would guess that either Win-7 or Win-8 will need more horsepower than XP and neither will run very well on older PCs. True? Will Access 2007 applications run Okay with either Win-7 or Win-8? Thanks, Brad -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jimdettman at verizon.net Thu Aug 22 15:02:06 2013 From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman) Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2013 16:02:06 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Future of Windows XP In-Reply-To: <1159993976.37188407.1377197424621.JavaMail.root@cds002> References: <007101ce9de6$46d6e350$d484a9f0$@cox.net> <1159993976.37188407.1377197424621.JavaMail.root@cds002> Message-ID: <2CB252706F3C4737BC9907E2822A5268@XPS> Don't know if it's still true or not, but at one point, it was a violation of the EULA for Office to run it on anything other then Windows. Jim. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2013 02:50 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Future of Windows XP The Wine product that runs on virtually all distros of Linux. http://www.winehq.org/ It is not a virtual drive (like NTVDM) or an emulator but a product that is totally integrated environment. This means that any Windows program running with it will perform as fast or faster than it would natively. There is a full set of documentation and Forums which can assist with any product installation. Here is a link to the process of installing Microsoft Office on Ubuntu Linux: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Microsoft_Office To the best of my knowledge WineHQ supports every Office version from '95 to 2013 but I have only installed and tested Office 2003, which worked without issues...my MS Access 2003 applications and all. Note, that Wine runs just about everything; most major games, all Adobe products and even remote take-over products like TeamViewer. In addition there are commercial products that can also make the move effortless: http://www2.codeweavers.com/products/#cxlinux Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug Murphy" To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2013 1:45:59 PM Subject: Re: [AccessD] Future of Windows XP PS MS Office works just fine on Linux (MS Access as well)...just a little faster but that's all. How do you do this? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brad Marks" < BradM at blackforestltd.com> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" < accessd at databaseadvisors.com> Sent: Monday, August 19, 2013 12:07:58 PM Subject: [AccessD] Future of Windows XP All, I work part time for a small manufacturing firm (about 50 employees) with a very limited IT budget. Currently there are about 20 older PCs running Windows XP (SP3). There are two purchased application systems and a number of Access 2007 applications. It is my understanding that Microsoft is dropping all support (including security updates) for XP in April of 2014. My background is primarily in application development and database administration. In the past, I have relied on fellow employees for "Operating System issues". I have some dumb questions. How serious is the issue of Microsoft dropping all support for XP next April? What are most firms migrating to? Win-7? Win-8? I would guess that either Win-7 or Win-8 will need more horsepower than XP and neither will run very well on older PCs. True? Will Access 2007 applications run Okay with either Win-7 or Win-8? Thanks, Brad -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From charlotte.foust at gmail.com Thu Aug 22 15:48:12 2013 From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust) Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2013 13:48:12 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Future of Windows XP In-Reply-To: References: <51E28F2A.13403.AEF4E57@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <081cdffa39bd4073824ec488d85b3ee1@SIXPR04MB048.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com> Message-ID: I have it on my Win 8 desktop, but I'll be dipped if I can figure out how I did it. Now I'm trying to figure out how to handle startup programs! Charlotte On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 7:04 AM, Rocky Smolin wrote: > Arthur: > > I have always had a shortcut to 'Computer' on my desktop. I'm using W8 on > my new laptop but usually bail out to the W7 desktop. I sued to hit the > Start button and then click ''Computer or drag 'Computer' to the desktop > for > a shortcut. But can't figure out how to get that done in W8. Do you know? > > I also have a problem on the W8 desktop triggering the icons along the > right > side for settings, search, etc. Seems that when I'm really trying to get > those icons to appear I can't. Then after a few tries they do appear. Is > there a trick to that? > > Thanks > > Rocky > > > > From vbacreations at gmail.com Thu Aug 22 16:00:12 2013 From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson) Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2013 17:00:12 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Future of Windows XP In-Reply-To: References: <51E28F2A.13403.AEF4E57@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <5454EE61-AA5C-4CED-8387-ED365984F025@verizon.net> Message-ID: I want to say that nobody replied to assertions in my post. I am really curious what the rest of this group thinks Microsoft will do in terms of security patches for Windows XP users left behind. Am I just being silly and naive to think that Microsoft would not dare such users dangling in the wind? From Gustav at cactus.dk Thu Aug 22 16:04:24 2013 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2013 23:04:24 +0200 Subject: [AccessD] Future of Windows XP Message-ID: Hi John I've found that often such printers can be driven by the "generic" HP II/III or IV drivers of Windows. Old DeskJet printers, however, are often for nothing else but to carry away. /gustav >>> jbartow at winhaven.net 22-08-13 19:31 >>> And therein lies the biggest issue I have had with Windows 7 (which I love) - printer drivers. Many older small printers aren't supported. I've had to replace a number of old workhorse HP LaserJets just because of the driver issue. HP could have made them work but choose not to. Most large copier/printers are supported though. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W Colby Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2013 2:52 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Future of Windows XP I find Windows 7 incredibly stable. A suitable successor to XP. It does require different drivers of course so legacy stuff will have to be run in the XP virtual machine thingie. John W. Colby From jimdettman at verizon.net Thu Aug 22 16:13:04 2013 From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman) Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2013 17:13:04 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Future of Windows XP In-Reply-To: References: <51E28F2A.13403.AEF4E57@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <5454EE61-AA5C-4CED-8387-ED365984F025@verizon.net> Message-ID: <7DF7FDB4144143DD87BDEDFE59DDA81C@XPS> Sorry, but I think your being na?ve and silly. There's been plenty of announcement about it, so they've more then covered their butts on it. I think when you'll hear a lot of screaming is when Office 365 drops support for the POP3 protocol. Outlook 2003 and a bunch of other mail clients will no longer work with it. Besides, XP is safer; all the hackers are now focused on Windows 7 and 8. XP has been patched and patched. Don't know how many security holes are actually left in it. Jim. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Benson Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2013 05:00 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Future of Windows XP I want to say that nobody replied to assertions in my post. I am really curious what the rest of this group thinks Microsoft will do in terms of security patches for Windows XP users left behind. Am I just being silly and naive to think that Microsoft would not dare such users dangling in the wind? -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au Thu Aug 22 16:16:26 2013 From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins) Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2013 21:16:26 +0000 Subject: [AccessD] Future of Windows XP In-Reply-To: References: <51E28F2A.13403.AEF4E57@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <081cdffa39bd4073824ec488d85b3ee1@SIXPR04MB048.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>, Message-ID: <19a38d526e5644e4964e0b99ab2f723f@SIXPR04MB048.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com> Thanks Charlotte, That is good to hear - always happy to hear all sides of the story (as their usually is one) and there is a good chance that my angle is wrong or biased. Perhaps it is a case of the squeaky wheels getting more of the oil. I will be the first to admit I need more time on W8 to 'get it'. Cheers Darryl. ________________________________________ From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com on behalf of Charlotte Foust Sent: Thursday, 22 August 2013 10:12 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Future of Windows XP Darryl, I've been using Win 8 since March and I love it. The speed is excellent and my machine (with a registry tweak, IIRC) automatically loads the desktop after the start menu. I've found Win 8 to be stable too. The "fuss" is all UI and getting used to not having tidy menus any more. I also like Office 2013. Charlotte On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 1:05 AM, Darryl Collins < darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au> wrote: > Hi Brad, > > Nearly all the corporate I know of and work with are moving from XP to Win > 7. I don't know of any business that is running win 8 or Office 2013, > although there must be some of them out there. > > Personally I find Win 8 an abomination to use. Sure it is fast, but my > god, it is a pain in the ar$e. I haven't used it a lot, but those I know > who have been using it for months still don't love it. "I am getting used > to it" is the most common refrain, rather than "Wow, Now I love it!". > Urrrrrgh. Wait for W9 I say.... > > In corporate land they are nearly always 2 life cycles behind the cutting > edge. This not only maximises their return on the software costs, but also > minimises the upgrade risk as the initial bugs and UI issues are generally > ironed out by the time the upgrade. The loose rule is 'Never before SP1 > and preferably post SP2' before even considering the upgrade. > > Whislt some businesses / Corporate I work with are on Office 2007, most of > them have gone from XP / Office 2003 straight to Win 7 - Office 2010. > Honestly, you can largely consider Office 2007 as the beta release for > 2010 and most of the IT folks who make the decisions are onto that. 2010 > is pretty good to work with, where as 2007 has plenty of annoyances, even > today. > > As for XP security, there would be some risk if an exploit is found that > it will not be patched. Most folks in business will upgrade when the > support runs out. But I guess that is up the them and there needs and > budgets. > > Good luck. > > Win 7 is a nice OS, stable, quiet and fuss free. Worth considering. If > possible give your old XP machines max RAM, 4GB if they are on less. > > > ________________________________________ > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com < > accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> on behalf of Brad Marks < > BradM at blackforestltd.com> > Sent: Tuesday, 20 August 2013 5:07 AM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: [AccessD] Future of Windows XP > > All, > > I work part time for a small manufacturing firm (about 50 employees) > with a very limited IT budget. > > Currently there are about 20 older PCs running Windows XP (SP3). There > are two purchased application systems and a number of Access 2007 > applications. > > It is my understanding that Microsoft is dropping all support (including > security updates) for XP in April of 2014. > > My background is primarily in application development and database > administration. In the past, I have relied on fellow employees for > "Operating System issues". > > I have some dumb questions. > > How serious is the issue of Microsoft dropping all support for XP next > April? > > What are most firms migrating to? Win-7? Win-8? > > I would guess that either Win-7 or Win-8 will need more horsepower than > XP and neither will run very well on older PCs. True? > > Will Access 2007 applications run Okay with either Win-7 or Win-8? > > Thanks, > Brad > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From dbdoug at gmail.com Thu Aug 22 16:17:58 2013 From: dbdoug at gmail.com (Doug Steele) Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2013 14:17:58 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Future of Windows XP In-Reply-To: <7DF7FDB4144143DD87BDEDFE59DDA81C@XPS> References: <51E28F2A.13403.AEF4E57@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <5454EE61-AA5C-4CED-8387-ED365984F025@verizon.net> <7DF7FDB4144143DD87BDEDFE59DDA81C@XPS> Message-ID: Jim, here is an article which has the opposite opinion about Windows XP security: http://www.zdnet.com/your-perilous-future-on-windows-xp-7000019721/?s_cid=e539&ttag=e539 '' Here is the lead paragraph: "You've been getting warned for ages about the impending end of support for XP. Things are even worse than you've heard (especially if you run Internet Explorer). Expect a flood of new vulnerabilities and no help for them." Doug On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 2:13 PM, Jim Dettman wrote: > > Sorry, but I think your being na?ve and silly. > > There's been plenty of announcement about it, so they've more then covered > their butts on it. > > I think when you'll hear a lot of screaming is when Office 365 drops > support for the POP3 protocol. Outlook 2003 and a bunch of other mail > clients will no longer work with it. > > Besides, XP is safer; all the hackers are now focused on Windows 7 and > 8. XP has been patched and patched. Don't know how many security > holes are actually left in it. > > Jim. > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Benson > Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2013 05:00 PM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Future of Windows XP > > I want to say that nobody replied to assertions in my post. I am really > curious what the rest of this group thinks Microsoft will do in terms of > security patches for Windows XP users left behind. Am I just being silly > and naive to think that Microsoft would not dare such users dangling in the > wind? > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From jbartow at winhaven.net Thu Aug 22 16:24:41 2013 From: jbartow at winhaven.net (John R Bartow) Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2013 16:24:41 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Future of Windows XP In-Reply-To: References: <51E28F2A.13403.AEF4E57@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <081cdffa39bd4073824ec488d85b3ee1@SIXPR04MB048.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com> Message-ID: <049201ce9f7e$040d76d0$0c286470$@winhaven.net> Right click on desktop - choose personalize - add the icons you wish. For startup programs use either ccleaner or to be completely thorough (and possibly overwhelmed) use MS's Autoruns. Or use one of the programs that makes it look and work like Windows 7. Kathryn over on DBA-Tech recommends: http://www.stardock.com/products/start8/download.asp -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2013 3:48 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Future of Windows XP I have it on my Win 8 desktop, but I'll be dipped if I can figure out how I did it. Now I'm trying to figure out how to handle startup programs! Charlotte On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 7:04 AM, Rocky Smolin wrote: > Arthur: > > I have always had a shortcut to 'Computer' on my desktop. I'm using > W8 on my new laptop but usually bail out to the W7 desktop. I sued to > hit the Start button and then click ''Computer or drag 'Computer' to > the desktop for a shortcut. But can't figure out how to get that done > in W8. Do you know? > > I also have a problem on the W8 desktop triggering the icons along the > right side for settings, search, etc. Seems that when I'm really > trying to get those icons to appear I can't. Then after a few tries > they do appear. Is there a trick to that? > > Thanks > > Rocky > > > > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Thu Aug 22 17:17:46 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2013 16:17:46 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [AccessD] Future of Windows XP In-Reply-To: <52165F4F.1020505@gmail.com> Message-ID: <831882923.37376234.1377209866242.JavaMail.root@cds002> I have had the same problems with WineHQ a few versions ago. It was a mess and everything sort of worked and sort of didn't. A version ago I installed MS Access 2003 and it worked perfectly. WineHQ 1.6 worked great and now there is 1.7 out (but it is still a developer's beta). Note: I have only installed it on Ubuntu so I can not speak for any other Linux distro. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "John W Colby" To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2013 11:58:23 AM Subject: Re: [AccessD] Future of Windows XP That is nothing short of amazing if you ask me. I tried wine many years ago and it was... unpleasant. John W. Colby Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it On 8/22/2013 2:50 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > The Wine product that runs on virtually all distros of Linux. > > http://www.winehq.org/ > > It is not a virtual drive (like NTVDM) or an emulator but a product that is totally integrated environment. This means that any Windows program running with it will perform as fast or faster than it would natively. There is a full set of documentation and Forums which can assist with any product installation. > > Here is a link to the process of installing Microsoft Office on Ubuntu Linux: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Microsoft_Office > > To the best of my knowledge WineHQ supports every Office version from '95 to 2013 but I have only installed and tested Office 2003, which worked without issues...my MS Access 2003 applications and all. Note, that Wine runs just about everything; most major games, all Adobe products and even remote take-over products like TeamViewer. > > In addition there are commercial products that can also make the move effortless: > http://www2.codeweavers.com/products/#cxlinux > > Jim > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Doug Murphy" > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" > Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2013 1:45:59 PM > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Future of Windows XP > > > > > > PS MS Office works just fine on Linux (MS Access as well)...just a little > faster but that's all. > > > > How do you do this? > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Brad Marks" < > BradM at blackforestltd.com> > > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" < > accessd at databaseadvisors.com> > > Sent: Monday, August 19, 2013 12:07:58 PM > > Subject: [AccessD] Future of Windows XP > > > > All, > > > > I work part time for a small manufacturing firm (about 50 employees) with a > very limited IT budget. > > > > Currently there are about 20 older PCs running Windows XP (SP3). There are > two purchased application systems and a number of Access 2007 applications. > > > > It is my understanding that Microsoft is dropping all support (including > security updates) for XP in April of 2014. > > > > My background is primarily in application development and database > administration. In the past, I have relied on fellow employees for > "Operating System issues". > > > > I have some dumb questions. > > > > How serious is the issue of Microsoft dropping all support for XP next > April? > > > > What are most firms migrating to? Win-7? Win-8? > > > > I would guess that either Win-7 or Win-8 will need more horsepower than XP > and neither will run very well on older PCs. True? > > > > Will Access 2007 applications run Okay with either Win-7 or Win-8? > > > > Thanks, > > Brad > > > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Thu Aug 22 17:28:08 2013 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2013 18:28:08 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Future of Windows XP In-Reply-To: <831882923.37376234.1377209866242.JavaMail.root@cds002> References: <52165F4F.1020505@gmail.com> <831882923.37376234.1377209866242.JavaMail.root@cds002> Message-ID: I've never tried that, I confess. Instead I run VirtualBox in Linux and then an XP or Win7 VM. Never tried Wine. On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 6:17 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > I have had the same problems with WineHQ a few versions ago. It was a mess > and everything sort of worked and sort of didn't. > > A version ago I installed MS Access 2003 and it worked perfectly. WineHQ > 1.6 worked great and now there is 1.7 out (but it is still a developer's > beta). Note: I have only installed it on Ubuntu so I can not speak for any > other Linux distro. > > Jim > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John W Colby" > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" < > accessd at databaseadvisors.com> > Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2013 11:58:23 AM > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Future of Windows XP > > That is nothing short of amazing if you ask me. I tried wine many years > ago and it was... unpleasant. > > John W. Colby > > Reality is what refuses to go away > when you do not believe in it > > On 8/22/2013 2:50 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > > The Wine product that runs on virtually all distros of Linux. > > > > http://www.winehq.org/ > > > > It is not a virtual drive (like NTVDM) or an emulator but a product that > is totally integrated environment. This means that any Windows program > running with it will perform as fast or faster than it would natively. > There is a full set of documentation and Forums which can assist with any > product installation. > > > > Here is a link to the process of installing Microsoft Office on Ubuntu > Linux: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Microsoft_Office > > > > To the best of my knowledge WineHQ supports every Office version from > '95 to 2013 but I have only installed and tested Office 2003, which worked > without issues...my MS Access 2003 applications and all. Note, that Wine > runs just about everything; most major games, all Adobe products and even > remote take-over products like TeamViewer. > > > > In addition there are commercial products that can also make the move > effortless: > > http://www2.codeweavers.com/products/#cxlinux > > > > Jim > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Doug Murphy" > > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" < > accessd at databaseadvisors.com> > > Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2013 1:45:59 PM > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Future of Windows XP > > > > > > > > > > > > PS MS Office works just fine on Linux (MS Access as well)...just a little > > faster but that's all. > > > > > > > > How do you do this? > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Brad Marks" < > > BradM at blackforestltd.com> > > > > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" < > > accessd at databaseadvisors.com> > > > > Sent: Monday, August 19, 2013 12:07:58 PM > > > > Subject: [AccessD] Future of Windows XP > > > > > > > > All, > > > > > > > > I work part time for a small manufacturing firm (about 50 employees) > with a > > very limited IT budget. > > > > > > > > Currently there are about 20 older PCs running Windows XP (SP3). There > are > > two purchased application systems and a number of Access 2007 > applications. > > > > > > > > It is my understanding that Microsoft is dropping all support (including > > security updates) for XP in April of 2014. > > > > > > > > My background is primarily in application development and database > > administration. In the past, I have relied on fellow employees for > > "Operating System issues". > > > > > > > > I have some dumb questions. > > > > > > > > How serious is the issue of Microsoft dropping all support for XP next > > April? > > > > > > > > What are most firms migrating to? Win-7? Win-8? > > > > > > > > I would guess that either Win-7 or Win-8 will need more horsepower than > XP > > and neither will run very well on older PCs. True? > > > > > > > > Will Access 2007 applications run Okay with either Win-7 or Win-8? > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > Brad > > > > > > > > -- > > > > AccessD mailing list > > > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > > > Website: > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > -- > > > > AccessD mailing list > > > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > > > Website: > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Arthur From marksimms at verizon.net Thu Aug 22 17:58:01 2013 From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms) Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2013 18:58:01 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Future of Windows XP In-Reply-To: <00cc01ce9dc8$a55febb0$f01fc310$@winhaven.net> References: , <51E28F2A.13403.AEF4E57@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <00cc01ce9dc8$a55febb0$f01fc310$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: <02aa01ce9f8b$0dac0190$290404b0$@net> Of course, the KILLER and I mean the real KILLER in moving to Win 7 - All applications must be reinstalled, and reconfigured, and all updates applied. You are talking man-months of effort. From accessd at shaw.ca Thu Aug 22 18:34:26 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2013 17:34:26 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [AccessD] Future of Windows XP In-Reply-To: <2CB252706F3C4737BC9907E2822A5268@XPS> Message-ID: <2059373372.37442210.1377214466074.JavaMail.root@cds002> If you bought a package, you are licensed to run it anywhere you want...you can even give it to your brother. That concept has already been challenged in court some time ago. Running multiple versions of the same package on different systems by different people is quite another issue...but no one has dared to formally start court proceedings for some reason or other. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Dettman" To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2013 1:02:06 PM Subject: Re: [AccessD] Future of Windows XP Don't know if it's still true or not, but at one point, it was a violation of the EULA for Office to run it on anything other then Windows. Jim. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2013 02:50 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Future of Windows XP The Wine product that runs on virtually all distros of Linux. http://www.winehq.org/ It is not a virtual drive (like NTVDM) or an emulator but a product that is totally integrated environment. This means that any Windows program running with it will perform as fast or faster than it would natively. There is a full set of documentation and Forums which can assist with any product installation. Here is a link to the process of installing Microsoft Office on Ubuntu Linux: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Microsoft_Office To the best of my knowledge WineHQ supports every Office version from '95 to 2013 but I have only installed and tested Office 2003, which worked without issues...my MS Access 2003 applications and all. Note, that Wine runs just about everything; most major games, all Adobe products and even remote take-over products like TeamViewer. In addition there are commercial products that can also make the move effortless: http://www2.codeweavers.com/products/#cxlinux Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug Murphy" To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2013 1:45:59 PM Subject: Re: [AccessD] Future of Windows XP PS MS Office works just fine on Linux (MS Access as well)...just a little faster but that's all. How do you do this? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brad Marks" < BradM at blackforestltd.com> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" < accessd at databaseadvisors.com> Sent: Monday, August 19, 2013 12:07:58 PM Subject: [AccessD] Future of Windows XP All, I work part time for a small manufacturing firm (about 50 employees) with a very limited IT budget. Currently there are about 20 older PCs running Windows XP (SP3). There are two purchased application systems and a number of Access 2007 applications. It is my understanding that Microsoft is dropping all support (including security updates) for XP in April of 2014. My background is primarily in application development and database administration. In the past, I have relied on fellow employees for "Operating System issues". I have some dumb questions. How serious is the issue of Microsoft dropping all support for XP next April? What are most firms migrating to? Win-7? Win-8? I would guess that either Win-7 or Win-8 will need more horsepower than XP and neither will run very well on older PCs. True? Will Access 2007 applications run Okay with either Win-7 or Win-8? Thanks, Brad -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Thu Aug 22 18:59:43 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2013 17:59:43 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [AccessD] Future of Windows XP In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <883536888.37458532.1377215983875.JavaMail.root@cds002> It is all about money...I would not go so far as to say profit as Microsoft probably views their requirement to support XP as similar to a hanging Albatross or an endless money pit. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "William Benson" To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2013 2:00:12 PM Subject: Re: [AccessD] Future of Windows XP I want to say that nobody replied to assertions in my post. I am really curious what the rest of this group thinks Microsoft will do in terms of security patches for Windows XP users left behind. Am I just being silly and naive to think that Microsoft would not dare such users dangling in the wind? -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Thu Aug 22 19:03:29 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2013 18:03:29 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [AccessD] Future of Windows XP In-Reply-To: <7DF7FDB4144143DD87BDEDFE59DDA81C@XPS> Message-ID: <965201210.37461094.1377216209019.JavaMail.root@cds002> Are you suggesting that XP is a security hole. Of course you have to ask yourself how vulnerable is Win2000 as no hacker would waste their time and personal respect on such product. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Dettman" To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2013 2:13:04 PM Subject: Re: [AccessD] Future of Windows XP Sorry, but I think your being na?ve and silly. There's been plenty of announcement about it, so they've more then covered their butts on it. I think when you'll hear a lot of screaming is when Office 365 drops support for the POP3 protocol. Outlook 2003 and a bunch of other mail clients will no longer work with it. Besides, XP is safer; all the hackers are now focused on Windows 7 and 8. XP has been patched and patched. Don't know how many security holes are actually left in it. Jim. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Benson Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2013 05:00 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Future of Windows XP I want to say that nobody replied to assertions in my post. I am really curious what the rest of this group thinks Microsoft will do in terms of security patches for Windows XP users left behind. Am I just being silly and naive to think that Microsoft would not dare such users dangling in the wind? -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Thu Aug 22 19:19:25 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2013 18:19:25 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [AccessD] Future of Windows XP In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <402749252.37475161.1377217165228.JavaMail.root@cds002> XP has been Microsoft's best selling and surviving product but it just keeps going on and on. If they could they would send a virus of their own to corrupt every version so people would run out and buy something else. Everyone in the business wants XP dead as there is not a penny left to squeeze out of it...if you make a (near) perfect product your company will go broke waiting for all the computers, it runs on, to just quit. Of course you are going to hear all sort of doom and gloom predictions but whether the opponents are speaking the truth, pumping up a news story, to frighten the masses or just want the public to open their wallets again and anti-up is the question. I will agree with the opponents that XP is a little tired and does need replacing but I hate everyone being herded like a bunch of dumb sheep. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug Steele" To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2013 2:17:58 PM Subject: Re: [AccessD] Future of Windows XP Jim, here is an article which has the opposite opinion about Windows XP security: http://www.zdnet.com/your-perilous-future-on-windows-xp-7000019721/?s_cid=e539&ttag=e539 '' Here is the lead paragraph: "You've been getting warned for ages about the impending end of support for XP. Things are even worse than you've heard (especially if you run Internet Explorer). Expect a flood of new vulnerabilities and no help for them." Doug On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 2:13 PM, Jim Dettman wrote: > > Sorry, but I think your being na?ve and silly. > > There's been plenty of announcement about it, so they've more then covered > their butts on it. > > I think when you'll hear a lot of screaming is when Office 365 drops > support for the POP3 protocol. Outlook 2003 and a bunch of other mail > clients will no longer work with it. > > Besides, XP is safer; all the hackers are now focused on Windows 7 and > 8. XP has been patched and patched. Don't know how many security > holes are actually left in it. > > Jim. > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Benson > Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2013 05:00 PM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Future of Windows XP > > I want to say that nobody replied to assertions in my post. I am really > curious what the rest of this group thinks Microsoft will do in terms of > security patches for Windows XP users left behind. Am I just being silly > and naive to think that Microsoft would not dare such users dangling in the > wind? > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Thu Aug 22 19:36:29 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2013 18:36:29 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [AccessD] Future of Windows XP In-Reply-To: <02aa01ce9f8b$0dac0190$290404b0$@net> Message-ID: <1122853130.37487463.1377218189888.JavaMail.root@cds002> Few of us have a real roll out plan and even the plan takes a while to put together. It will cost us or more likely the client dearly. I know a company, who is sitting on top of close to fifty old machines, mostly with XP, with all the older version of software that implies and the last few years have not been stellar...a 100K bill is not being unreasonably pessimistic. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Simms" To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2013 3:58:01 PM Subject: Re: [AccessD] Future of Windows XP Of course, the KILLER and I mean the real KILLER in moving to Win 7 - All applications must be reinstalled, and reconfigured, and all updates applied. You are talking man-months of effort. -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Thu Aug 22 19:39:16 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2013 18:39:16 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [AccessD] Future of Windows XP In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1188752542.37488643.1377218356032.JavaMail.root@cds002> It is not difficult but it does take a bit of tinkering which will become easier with more experience...just like Win8, Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arthur Fuller" To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2013 3:28:08 PM Subject: Re: [AccessD] Future of Windows XP I've never tried that, I confess. Instead I run VirtualBox in Linux and then an XP or Win7 VM. Never tried Wine. On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 6:17 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > I have had the same problems with WineHQ a few versions ago. It was a mess > and everything sort of worked and sort of didn't. > > A version ago I installed MS Access 2003 and it worked perfectly. WineHQ > 1.6 worked great and now there is 1.7 out (but it is still a developer's > beta). Note: I have only installed it on Ubuntu so I can not speak for any > other Linux distro. > > Jim > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John W Colby" > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" < > accessd at databaseadvisors.com> > Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2013 11:58:23 AM > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Future of Windows XP > > That is nothing short of amazing if you ask me. I tried wine many years > ago and it was... unpleasant. > > John W. Colby > > Reality is what refuses to go away > when you do not believe in it > > On 8/22/2013 2:50 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > > The Wine product that runs on virtually all distros of Linux. > > > > http://www.winehq.org/ > > > > It is not a virtual drive (like NTVDM) or an emulator but a product that > is totally integrated environment. This means that any Windows program > running with it will perform as fast or faster than it would natively. > There is a full set of documentation and Forums which can assist with any > product installation. > > > > Here is a link to the process of installing Microsoft Office on Ubuntu > Linux: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Microsoft_Office > > > > To the best of my knowledge WineHQ supports every Office version from > '95 to 2013 but I have only installed and tested Office 2003, which worked > without issues...my MS Access 2003 applications and all. Note, that Wine > runs just about everything; most major games, all Adobe products and even > remote take-over products like TeamViewer. > > > > In addition there are commercial products that can also make the move > effortless: > > http://www2.codeweavers.com/products/#cxlinux > > > > Jim > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Doug Murphy" > > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" < > accessd at databaseadvisors.com> > > Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2013 1:45:59 PM > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Future of Windows XP > > > > > > > > > > > > PS MS Office works just fine on Linux (MS Access as well)...just a little > > faster but that's all. > > > > > > > > How do you do this? > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Brad Marks" < > > BradM at blackforestltd.com> > > > > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" < > > accessd at databaseadvisors.com> > > > > Sent: Monday, August 19, 2013 12:07:58 PM > > > > Subject: [AccessD] Future of Windows XP > > > > > > > > All, > > > > > > > > I work part time for a small manufacturing firm (about 50 employees) > with a > > very limited IT budget. > > > > > > > > Currently there are about 20 older PCs running Windows XP (SP3). There > are > > two purchased application systems and a number of Access 2007 > applications. > > > > > > > > It is my understanding that Microsoft is dropping all support (including > > security updates) for XP in April of 2014. > > > > > > > > My background is primarily in application development and database > > administration. In the past, I have relied on fellow employees for > > "Operating System issues". > > > > > > > > I have some dumb questions. > > > > > > > > How serious is the issue of Microsoft dropping all support for XP next > > April? > > > > > > > > What are most firms migrating to? Win-7? Win-8? > > > > > > > > I would guess that either Win-7 or Win-8 will need more horsepower than > XP > > and neither will run very well on older PCs. True? > > > > > > > > Will Access 2007 applications run Okay with either Win-7 or Win-8? > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > Brad > > > > > > > > -- > > > > AccessD mailing list > > > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > > > Website: > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > -- > > > > AccessD mailing list > > > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > > > Website: > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Arthur -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jbartow at winhaven.net Thu Aug 22 22:49:52 2013 From: jbartow at winhaven.net (John R Bartow) Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2013 22:49:52 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Future of Windows XP In-Reply-To: References: <51E28F2A.13403.AEF4E57@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <5454EE61-AA5C-4CED-8387-ED365984F025@verizon.net> Message-ID: <04ac01ce9fb3$d38f0150$7aad03f0$@winhaven.net> I don't doubt it for a minute. MS has done it for every version of everything they produced. I also don't doubt for a minute that I will be supporting Windows XP for years afterward. I still have clients using Windows NT 4.0 and Windows 2000. The machines they run serve a specific purpose and are not connected to the internet - "if it ain't broke don't fix it" - just don't push your luck ;-) -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Benson Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2013 4:00 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Future of Windows XP I want to say that nobody replied to assertions in my post. I am really curious what the rest of this group thinks Microsoft will do in terms of security patches for Windows XP users left behind. Am I just being silly and naive to think that Microsoft would not dare such users dangling in the wind? -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jbartow at winhaven.net Fri Aug 23 00:00:27 2013 From: jbartow at winhaven.net (John R Bartow) Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2013 00:00:27 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Future of Windows XP In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <04ca01ce9fbd$afe7c340$0fb749c0$@winhaven.net> HI Gustav, That what I refer to as "Frankensteining" a printer :-) I haven't had much luck with this on Windows 7/8 though. I have a LaserJet 1000 that I will give it a go with tomorrow though. Thanks, John B -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2013 4:04 PM To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [AccessD] Future of Windows XP Hi John I've found that often such printers can be driven by the "generic" HP II/III or IV drivers of Windows. Old DeskJet printers, however, are often for nothing else but to carry away. /gustav >>> jbartow at winhaven.net 22-08-13 19:31 >>> And therein lies the biggest issue I have had with Windows 7 (which I love) - printer drivers. Many older small printers aren't supported. I've had to replace a number of old workhorse HP LaserJets just because of the driver issue. HP could have made them work but choose not to. Most large copier/printers are supported though. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W Colby Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2013 2:52 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Future of Windows XP I find Windows 7 incredibly stable. A suitable successor to XP. It does require different drivers of course so legacy stuff will have to be run in the XP virtual machine thingie. John W. Colby -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From gustav at cactus.dk Fri Aug 23 05:25:45 2013 From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2013 12:25:45 +0200 Subject: [AccessD] Future of Windows XP In-Reply-To: <1159993976.37188407.1377197424621.JavaMail.root@cds002> References: <007101ce9de6$46d6e350$d484a9f0$@cox.net> <1159993976.37188407.1377197424621.JavaMail.root@cds002> Message-ID: <008601ce9feb$20ec2180$62c46480$@cactus.dk> Hi Jim I wouldn't trust them a dime. At their site they detect(?) my favourite OS to be Mac ... /gustav -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Jim Lawrence Sendt: 22. august 2013 20:50 Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Emne: Re: [AccessD] Future of Windows XP In addition there are commercial products that can also make the move effortless: http://www2.codeweavers.com/products/#cxlinux Jim From gustav at cactus.dk Fri Aug 23 05:35:16 2013 From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2013 12:35:16 +0200 Subject: [AccessD] Future of Windows XP Message-ID: <008801ce9fec$7513c050$5f3b40f0$@cactus.dk> Hi Jim We still run some Win 2000 servers. Rock steady, no updates, no restarts. Behind firewalls, of course. /gustav -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Jim Lawrence Sendt: 23. august 2013 02:03 Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Emne: Re: [AccessD] Future of Windows XP Are you suggesting that XP is a security hole. Of course you have to ask yourself how vulnerable is Win2000 as no hacker would waste their time and personal respect on such product. Jim From jimdettman at verizon.net Fri Aug 23 06:05:22 2013 From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman) Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2013 07:05:22 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Future of Windows XP In-Reply-To: References: <51E28F2A.13403.AEF4E57@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <5454EE61-AA5C-4CED-8387-ED365984F025@verizon.net> <7DF7FDB4144143DD87BDEDFE59DDA81C@XPS> Message-ID: <837046608DB44400BAC4C86619128C6E@XPS> Doug, Interesting; so Microsoft now admits their selling us the same stuff over and over: "But after April 8, 2014, organizations that continue to run Windows XP won?t have this advantage over attackers any longer. The very first month that Microsoft releases security updates for supported versions of Windows, attackers will reverse engineer those updates, find the vulnerabilities and test Windows XP to see if it shares those vulnerabilities. If it does, attackers will attempt to develop exploit code that can take advantage of those vulnerabilities on Windows XP. Since a security update will never become available for Windows XP to address these vulnerabilities, Windows XP will essentially have a ?zero day? vulnerability forever. " It is however an excellent point. Maybe it still will be a target. It's still much more entrenched then one would think (I'm using it on this one station now). But I should also add that every client I have and myself will be pushed off XP before the dead line. Jim. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Doug Steele Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2013 05:18 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Future of Windows XP Jim, here is an article which has the opposite opinion about Windows XP security: http://www.zdnet.com/your-perilous-future-on-windows-xp-7000019721/?s_cid=e5 39&ttag=e539 '' Here is the lead paragraph: "You've been getting warned for ages about the impending end of support for XP. Things are even worse than you've heard (especially if you run Internet Explorer). Expect a flood of new vulnerabilities and no help for them." Doug On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 2:13 PM, Jim Dettman wrote: > > Sorry, but I think your being na?ve and silly. > > There's been plenty of announcement about it, so they've more then covered > their butts on it. > > I think when you'll hear a lot of screaming is when Office 365 drops > support for the POP3 protocol. Outlook 2003 and a bunch of other mail > clients will no longer work with it. > > Besides, XP is safer; all the hackers are now focused on Windows 7 and > 8. XP has been patched and patched. Don't know how many security > holes are actually left in it. > > Jim. > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Benson > Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2013 05:00 PM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Future of Windows XP > > I want to say that nobody replied to assertions in my post. I am really > curious what the rest of this group thinks Microsoft will do in terms of > security patches for Windows XP users left behind. Am I just being silly > and naive to think that Microsoft would not dare such users dangling in the > wind? > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From tinanfields at torchlake.com Fri Aug 23 07:59:36 2013 From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields) Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2013 08:59:36 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Relative reference to Word document? In-Reply-To: References: <52161F4D.1080503@torchlake.com> Message-ID: <52175CB8.7030607@torchlake.com> Aha! Thanks Tina Norris Fields tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com 231-322-2787 On 8/22/2013 2:47 PM, Arthur Fuller wrote: > Tina, > > Use the CurDir() function to obtain the name of the current directory. > > Arthur > > > On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 10:25 AM, Tina Norris Fields < > tinanfields at torchlake.com> wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> I have a little membership and donors database for my local Habitat >> office. There is an acknowledgement letter that goes out to donors on a >> periodic basis, thanking them for their donation and recognizing any >> particular designation - so, it's a form letter whose data source is a >> table created by a query that pulls the data for a given deposit date. >> >> In the database, I have a little form with instructions to the user to set >> the date, click the button to make the list of donors, click the button to >> launch Word and open the acknowledgement form letter, and after the merge >> is completed and the user returns to the Access form, another button to >> close the form. >> >> ==============================**==============================** >> ============= >> The event procedure to get the form letter looks like this: >> >> Private Sub btnContribAcknowledgeLtr_**Click() >> On Error GoTo Err_btnContribAcknowledgeLtr_**Click >> >> Call RunApp("V:\Admin Asst\Access\HFHV11_Files\**TinaDonationTestLtr2.doc", >> 1) >> >> Exit_btnContribAcknowledgeLtr_**Click: >> Exit Sub >> >> Err_btnContribAcknowledgeLtr_**Click: >> MsgBox Err.Description >> Resume Exit_btnContribAcknowledgeLtr_**Click >> >> End Sub >> ==============================**==============================** >> ============= >> >> As you see, the RunApp call uses an absolute reference to the location of >> the form letter. >> >> Every so often, somebody moves the database directory to a different >> folder and the path gets lost. What I want to do is place the form letter >> in the same folder as the database and use a relative reference, but, so >> far I have been unable to do that. It seems so simple, but I'm not >> succeeding. >> >> Oh, yeah - history. This database was first developed in Access 97, then >> converted for A2003, then A2007, and now the office is updating to A2013. >> I've already discovered that all my nice calendar controls got broken and >> I'm reconfiguring my forms to use the textbox date picker. But, I just >> know there must be references and other goodies that are also broken. I'll >> appreciate any help you guys are able and willing to provide. >> >> Ideas? >> >> TNF >> >> -- >> Tina Norris Fields >> tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-**com >> 231-322-2787 >> >> -- >> AccessD mailing list >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/accessd >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.**com >> > > From guss at beechnutconsulting.com Fri Aug 23 08:12:01 2013 From: guss at beechnutconsulting.com (Guss Ginsburg) Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2013 08:12:01 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Relative reference to Word document? In-Reply-To: <52175CB8.7030607@torchlake.com> References: <52161F4D.1080503@torchlake.com> <52175CB8.7030607@torchlake.com> Message-ID: <00ce01cea002$5e919120$1bb4b360$@beechnutconsulting.com> You could also have a configuration table that identifies the names and locations of your templates. If someone reconfigures your network or does something else to disturb the expected location, you could update the config table to show the new path and filename. Then have your code look up the info from the table, and plug the info into a variable in your Call statement. Sincerely yours, ? Guss Ginsburg Beechnut Consulting Services -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina Norris Fields Sent: Friday, August 23, 2013 8:00 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Relative reference to Word document? Aha! Thanks Tina Norris Fields tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com 231-322-2787 On 8/22/2013 2:47 PM, Arthur Fuller wrote: > Tina, > > Use the CurDir() function to obtain the name of the current directory. > > Arthur > > > On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 10:25 AM, Tina Norris Fields < > tinanfields at torchlake.com> wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> I have a little membership and donors database for my local Habitat >> office. There is an acknowledgement letter that goes out to donors >> on a periodic basis, thanking them for their donation and recognizing >> any particular designation - so, it's a form letter whose data source >> is a table created by a query that pulls the data for a given deposit date. >> >> In the database, I have a little form with instructions to the user >> to set the date, click the button to make the list of donors, click >> the button to launch Word and open the acknowledgement form letter, >> and after the merge is completed and the user returns to the Access >> form, another button to close the form. >> >> ==============================**==============================** >> ============= >> The event procedure to get the form letter looks like this: >> >> Private Sub btnContribAcknowledgeLtr_**Click() >> On Error GoTo Err_btnContribAcknowledgeLtr_**Click >> >> Call RunApp("V:\Admin >> Asst\Access\HFHV11_Files\**TinaDonationTestLtr2.doc", >> 1) >> >> Exit_btnContribAcknowledgeLtr_**Click: >> Exit Sub >> >> Err_btnContribAcknowledgeLtr_**Click: >> MsgBox Err.Description >> Resume Exit_btnContribAcknowledgeLtr_**Click >> >> End Sub >> ==============================**==============================** >> ============= >> >> As you see, the RunApp call uses an absolute reference to the >> location of the form letter. >> >> Every so often, somebody moves the database directory to a different >> folder and the path gets lost. What I want to do is place the form >> letter in the same folder as the database and use a relative >> reference, but, so far I have been unable to do that. It seems so >> simple, but I'm not succeeding. >> >> Oh, yeah - history. This database was first developed in Access 97, >> then converted for A2003, then A2007, and now the office is updating to A2013. >> I've already discovered that all my nice calendar controls got >> broken and I'm reconfiguring my forms to use the textbox date picker. >> But, I just know there must be references and other goodies that are >> also broken. I'll appreciate any help you guys are able and willing to provide. >> >> Ideas? >> >> TNF >> >> -- >> Tina Norris Fields >> tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-**com >> 231-322-2787 >> >> -- >> AccessD mailing list >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/accessd> eadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd> >> Website: >> http://www.databaseadvisors.**com >> > > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From tinanfields at torchlake.com Fri Aug 23 08:26:18 2013 From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields) Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2013 09:26:18 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Relative reference to Word document? In-Reply-To: <00ce01cea002$5e919120$1bb4b360$@beechnutconsulting.com> References: <52161F4D.1080503@torchlake.com> <52175CB8.7030607@torchlake.com> <00ce01cea002$5e919120$1bb4b360$@beechnutconsulting.com> Message-ID: <521762FA.1060404@torchlake.com> Another good idea, elegant and sophisticated. Thanks. TNF Tina Norris Fields tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com 231-322-2787 On 8/23/2013 9:12 AM, Guss Ginsburg wrote: > You could also have a configuration table that identifies the names and > locations of your templates. If someone reconfigures your network or does > something else to disturb the expected location, you could update the config > table to show the new path and filename. Then have your code look up the > info from the table, and plug the info into a variable in your Call > statement. > > Sincerely yours, > > Guss Ginsburg > Beechnut Consulting Services > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina Norris > Fields > Sent: Friday, August 23, 2013 8:00 AM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Relative reference to Word document? > > Aha! > Thanks > > Tina Norris Fields > tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com > 231-322-2787 > > On 8/22/2013 2:47 PM, Arthur Fuller wrote: >> Tina, >> >> Use the CurDir() function to obtain the name of the current directory. >> >> Arthur >> >> >> On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 10:25 AM, Tina Norris Fields < >> tinanfields at torchlake.com> wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> I have a little membership and donors database for my local Habitat >>> office. There is an acknowledgement letter that goes out to donors >>> on a periodic basis, thanking them for their donation and recognizing >>> any particular designation - so, it's a form letter whose data source >>> is a table created by a query that pulls the data for a given deposit > date. >>> In the database, I have a little form with instructions to the user >>> to set the date, click the button to make the list of donors, click >>> the button to launch Word and open the acknowledgement form letter, >>> and after the merge is completed and the user returns to the Access >>> form, another button to close the form. >>> >>> ==============================**==============================** >>> ============= >>> The event procedure to get the form letter looks like this: >>> >>> Private Sub btnContribAcknowledgeLtr_**Click() >>> On Error GoTo Err_btnContribAcknowledgeLtr_**Click >>> >>> Call RunApp("V:\Admin >>> Asst\Access\HFHV11_Files\**TinaDonationTestLtr2.doc", >>> 1) >>> >>> Exit_btnContribAcknowledgeLtr_**Click: >>> Exit Sub >>> >>> Err_btnContribAcknowledgeLtr_**Click: >>> MsgBox Err.Description >>> Resume Exit_btnContribAcknowledgeLtr_**Click >>> >>> End Sub >>> ==============================**==============================** >>> ============= >>> >>> As you see, the RunApp call uses an absolute reference to the >>> location of the form letter. >>> >>> Every so often, somebody moves the database directory to a different >>> folder and the path gets lost. What I want to do is place the form >>> letter in the same folder as the database and use a relative >>> reference, but, so far I have been unable to do that. It seems so >>> simple, but I'm not succeeding. >>> >>> Oh, yeah - history. This database was first developed in Access 97, >>> then converted for A2003, then A2007, and now the office is updating to > A2013. >>> I've already discovered that all my nice calendar controls got >>> broken and I'm reconfiguring my forms to use the textbox date picker. >>> But, I just know there must be references and other goodies that are >>> also broken. I'll appreciate any help you guys are able and willing to > provide. >>> Ideas? >>> >>> TNF >>> >>> -- >>> Tina Norris Fields >>> tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-**com >>> 231-322-2787 >>> >>> -- >>> AccessD mailing list >>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >>> http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/accessd>> eadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd> >>> Website: >>> http://www.databaseadvisors.**com >>> >> > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > From accessd at shaw.ca Fri Aug 23 09:23:27 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2013 08:23:27 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [AccessD] Future of Windows XP In-Reply-To: <04ac01ce9fb3$d38f0150$7aad03f0$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: <229273592.37854665.1377267807043.JavaMail.root@cds002> That about sums it up. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "John R Bartow" To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2013 8:49:52 PM Subject: Re: [AccessD] Future of Windows XP I don't doubt it for a minute. MS has done it for every version of everything they produced. I also don't doubt for a minute that I will be supporting Windows XP for years afterward. I still have clients using Windows NT 4.0 and Windows 2000. The machines they run serve a specific purpose and are not connected to the internet - "if it ain't broke don't fix it" - just don't push your luck ;-) -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Benson Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2013 4:00 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Future of Windows XP I want to say that nobody replied to assertions in my post. I am really curious what the rest of this group thinks Microsoft will do in terms of security patches for Windows XP users left behind. Am I just being silly and naive to think that Microsoft would not dare such users dangling in the wind? -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Fri Aug 23 09:32:15 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2013 08:32:15 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [AccessD] Future of Windows XP In-Reply-To: <008601ce9feb$20ec2180$62c46480$@cactus.dk> Message-ID: <433491098.37862187.1377268335177.JavaMail.root@cds002> Hi Gustav: I have no information about the company. I would guess they just don't understand Win8. ;-) Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gustav Brock" To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" Sent: Friday, August 23, 2013 3:25:45 AM Subject: Re: [AccessD] Future of Windows XP Hi Jim I wouldn't trust them a dime. At their site they detect(?) my favourite OS to be Mac ... /gustav -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Jim Lawrence Sendt: 22. august 2013 20:50 Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Emne: Re: [AccessD] Future of Windows XP In addition there are commercial products that can also make the move effortless: http://www2.codeweavers.com/products/#cxlinux Jim -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Fri Aug 23 09:37:04 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2013 08:37:04 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [AccessD] Future of Windows XP In-Reply-To: <008801ce9fec$7513c050$5f3b40f0$@cactus.dk> Message-ID: <1572818069.37866105.1377268624740.JavaMail.root@cds002> Hi Gustav: As long as there are good routers, firewalls and third-party protection software an OS can care on indefinitely. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gustav Brock" To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" Sent: Friday, August 23, 2013 3:35:16 AM Subject: Re: [AccessD] Future of Windows XP Hi Jim We still run some Win 2000 servers. Rock steady, no updates, no restarts. Behind firewalls, of course. /gustav -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Jim Lawrence Sendt: 23. august 2013 02:03 Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Emne: Re: [AccessD] Future of Windows XP Are you suggesting that XP is a security hole. Of course you have to ask yourself how vulnerable is Win2000 as no hacker would waste their time and personal respect on such product. Jim -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From garykjos at gmail.com Fri Aug 23 09:37:29 2013 From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos) Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2013 09:37:29 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Future of Windows XP In-Reply-To: <229273592.37854665.1377267807043.JavaMail.root@cds002> References: <04ac01ce9fb3$d38f0150$7aad03f0$@winhaven.net> <229273592.37854665.1377267807043.JavaMail.root@cds002> Message-ID: For my personal machines I don't feel much of a need to upgrade any of the remaining XP boxes to another OS. But for machines in a business environment of a publicly traded company I feel there is an obligation to remain current and therefore patched. Maybe not on day one after the end of maintenance but within a reasonable time after that for any machine connected to company servers to remain as a potential gateway into the network would be looked at negatively by auditors from a financial or a security perspective. That said, since I use my personal laptop to VPN into our corporate systems I am now wondering if I will need to do something with that to follow our corporate policies. GK On Fri, Aug 23, 2013 at 9:23 AM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > That about sums it up. > > Jim > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John R Bartow" > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" < > accessd at databaseadvisors.com> > Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2013 8:49:52 PM > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Future of Windows XP > > I don't doubt it for a minute. MS has done it for every version of > everything they produced. I also don't doubt for a minute that I will be > supporting Windows XP for years afterward. I still have clients using > Windows NT 4.0 and Windows 2000. The machines they run serve a specific > purpose and are not connected to the internet - "if it ain't broke don't > fix > it" - just don't push your luck ;-) > > -- Gary Kjos garykjos at gmail.com From gustav at cactus.dk Fri Aug 23 09:47:06 2013 From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2013 16:47:06 +0200 Subject: [AccessD] Future of Windows XP Message-ID: <00e401cea00f$a3614ea0$ea23ebe0$@cactus.dk> Hi Jim That's the trap. This was from my work machine running Win7. /gustav -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Jim Lawrence Sendt: 23. august 2013 16:32 Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Emne: Re: [AccessD] Future of Windows XP Hi Gustav: I have no information about the company. I would guess they just don't understand Win8. ;-) Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gustav Brock" To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" Sent: Friday, August 23, 2013 3:25:45 AM Subject: Re: [AccessD] Future of Windows XP Hi Jim I wouldn't trust them a dime. At their site they detect(?) my favourite OS to be Mac ... /gustav -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Jim Lawrence Sendt: 22. august 2013 20:50 Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Emne: Re: [AccessD] Future of Windows XP In addition there are commercial products that can also make the move effortless: http://www2.codeweavers.com/products/#cxlinux Jim From charlotte.foust at gmail.com Fri Aug 23 11:09:07 2013 From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust) Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2013 09:09:07 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Future of Windows XP In-Reply-To: <049201ce9f7e$040d76d0$0c286470$@winhaven.net> References: <51E28F2A.13403.AEF4E57@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <081cdffa39bd4073824ec488d85b3ee1@SIXPR04MB048.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com> <049201ce9f7e$040d76d0$0c286470$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: John, Using apps that make Win 8 work like Win 7 conflicts with some of the built in features of Win 8. In other words, you give something new up to get something old. I actually tried a couple of those apps and found out that I just preferred to learn the new. Charlotte On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 2:24 PM, John R Bartow wrote: > Right click on desktop - choose personalize - add the icons you wish. > > For startup programs use either ccleaner or to be completely thorough (and > possibly overwhelmed) use MS's Autoruns. > > Or use one of the programs that makes it look and work like Windows 7. > Kathryn over on DBA-Tech recommends: > http://www.stardock.com/products/start8/download.asp > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust > Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2013 3:48 PM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Future of Windows XP > > I have it on my Win 8 desktop, but I'll be dipped if I can figure out how I > did it. Now I'm trying to figure out how to handle startup programs! > > Charlotte > > > On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 7:04 AM, Rocky Smolin >wrote: > > > Arthur: > > > > I have always had a shortcut to 'Computer' on my desktop. I'm using > > W8 on my new laptop but usually bail out to the W7 desktop. I sued to > > hit the Start button and then click ''Computer or drag 'Computer' to > > the desktop for a shortcut. But can't figure out how to get that done > > in W8. Do you know? > > > > I also have a problem on the W8 desktop triggering the icons along the > > right side for settings, search, etc. Seems that when I'm really > > trying to get those icons to appear I can't. Then after a few tries > > they do appear. Is there a trick to that? > > > > Thanks > > > > Rocky > > > > > > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From accessd at shaw.ca Fri Aug 23 11:13:30 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2013 10:13:30 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [AccessD] Future of Windows XP In-Reply-To: <00e401cea00f$a3614ea0$ea23ebe0$@cactus.dk> Message-ID: <1441811342.37983596.1377274410413.JavaMail.root@cds002> Hi Gustav: Ha ha ha. ;-) Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gustav Brock" To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" Sent: Friday, August 23, 2013 7:47:06 AM Subject: Re: [AccessD] Future of Windows XP Hi Jim That's the trap. This was from my work machine running Win7. /gustav -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Jim Lawrence Sendt: 23. august 2013 16:32 Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Emne: Re: [AccessD] Future of Windows XP Hi Gustav: I have no information about the company. I would guess they just don't understand Win8. ;-) Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gustav Brock" To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" Sent: Friday, August 23, 2013 3:25:45 AM Subject: Re: [AccessD] Future of Windows XP Hi Jim I wouldn't trust them a dime. At their site they detect(?) my favourite OS to be Mac ... /gustav -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Jim Lawrence Sendt: 22. august 2013 20:50 Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Emne: Re: [AccessD] Future of Windows XP In addition there are commercial products that can also make the move effortless: http://www2.codeweavers.com/products/#cxlinux Jim -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From ssharkins at gmail.com Fri Aug 23 11:36:24 2013 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2013 12:36:24 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Relative reference to Word document? References: <52161F4D.1080503@torchlake.com> <52175CB8.7030607@torchlake.com><00ce01cea002$5e919120$1bb4b360$@beechnutconsulting.com> <521762FA.1060404@torchlake.com> Message-ID: <4AFD4A355B78476E8D52A902DAF2126F@SusanHarkins> But somebody has to remember to update it, right? Why can't you just tell them, "do not move this file!" I'd just embed it as a report I think and ditch the Word file. Susan H. > Another good idea, elegant and sophisticated. Thanks. From jbartow at winhaven.net Fri Aug 23 12:23:42 2013 From: jbartow at winhaven.net (John R Bartow) Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2013 12:23:42 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Future of Windows XP In-Reply-To: References: <51E28F2A.13403.AEF4E57@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <081cdffa39bd4073824ec488d85b3ee1@SIXPR04MB048.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com> <049201ce9f7e$040d76d0$0c286470$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: <003501cea025$84565e90$8d031bb0$@winhaven.net> Hi Charlotte, I tend to agree with you. (Hence the first two sentences). Just presenting information with the third. I work with too many versions of windows to customize each one. So I stick to what works across versions: Windows shortcut keys, command window (so Windows Key-R is a constant), Right click, Autoruns, Process Explorer, command files, etc. But in the vein of how Kathryn presented this information on DBA-Tech, some clients can't handle that so you fake it for them ;-) She has professed much success with Stardock's solution for some individuals. John B -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust Sent: Friday, August 23, 2013 11:09 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Future of Windows XP John, Using apps that make Win 8 work like Win 7 conflicts with some of the built in features of Win 8. In other words, you give something new up to get something old. I actually tried a couple of those apps and found out that I just preferred to learn the new. Charlotte On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 2:24 PM, John R Bartow wrote: > Right click on desktop - choose personalize - add the icons you wish. > > For startup programs use either ccleaner or to be completely thorough > (and possibly overwhelmed) use MS's Autoruns. > > Or use one of the programs that makes it look and work like Windows 7. > Kathryn over on DBA-Tech recommends: > http://www.stardock.com/products/start8/download.asp > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte > Foust > Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2013 3:48 PM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Future of Windows XP > > I have it on my Win 8 desktop, but I'll be dipped if I can figure out > how I did it. Now I'm trying to figure out how to handle startup programs! > > Charlotte > > > On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 7:04 AM, Rocky Smolin >wrote: > > > Arthur: > > > > I have always had a shortcut to 'Computer' on my desktop. I'm using > > W8 on my new laptop but usually bail out to the W7 desktop. I sued > > to hit the Start button and then click ''Computer or drag 'Computer' > > to the desktop for a shortcut. But can't figure out how to get that > > done in W8. Do you know? > > > > I also have a problem on the W8 desktop triggering the icons along > > the right side for settings, search, etc. Seems that when I'm > > really trying to get those icons to appear I can't. Then after a few > > tries they do appear. Is there a trick to that? > > > > Thanks > > > > Rocky > > > > > > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From tinanfields at torchlake.com Fri Aug 23 12:24:48 2013 From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields) Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2013 13:24:48 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Relative reference to Word document? In-Reply-To: <4AFD4A355B78476E8D52A902DAF2126F@SusanHarkins> References: <52161F4D.1080503@torchlake.com> <52175CB8.7030607@torchlake.com><00ce01cea002$5e919120$1bb4b360$@beechnutconsulting.com> <521762FA.1060404@torchlake.com> <4AFD4A355B78476E8D52A902DAF2126F@SusanHarkins> Message-ID: <52179AE0.5000607@torchlake.com> Susan - :-) For number one - I did, and it didn't work - they still moved it - in fact, they didn't even realize that they were moving it. "Hey, I'm just editing it to bring it up-to-date, and I'll keep it here where I can easily find it again next year. I'm not moving it, I'm just updating it!" For number two - yeah, except that the Access report writer is so clunky - still, you may be right. I'll noodle on that one for a while. The executive director will want to update it periodically, which will require my assistance, but I can live with that. TNF Tina Norris Fields tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com 231-322-2787 On 8/23/2013 12:36 PM, Susan Harkins wrote: > But somebody has to remember to update it, right? Why can't you just > tell them, "do not move this file!" I'd just embed it as a report I > think and ditch the Word file. > > Susan H. > > >> Another good idea, elegant and sophisticated. Thanks. > From boogieloogie at gmail.com Fri Aug 23 21:31:40 2013 From: boogieloogie at gmail.com (Boogie Loogie) Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2013 23:31:40 -0300 Subject: [AccessD] Future of Windows XP In-Reply-To: References: <51E28F2A.13403.AEF4E57@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <5454EE61-AA5C-4CED-8387-ED365984F025@verizon.net> Message-ID: I lurk 99.9% of the time but need to say this about Windows 8. If you value privacy then do not use it. There is a direct pipe to the NSA and they can control your computer remotely, glean all info, turn your device into a spying apparatus. It is so serious that the German Government issued a warning this past week. http://blogs.computerworlduk.com/open-enterprise/2013/08/german-government-warns-of-windows-8-loss-of-control/index.htm http://investmentwatchblog.com/leaked-german-government-warns-key-entities-not-to-use-windows-8-links-the-nsa/ :L On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 4:40 PM, Arthur Fuller wrote: > I think that Win8 requires less horsepower than WinXP or Win7, but either > way it doesn't matter. Also to be noted is that to move away from the tiled > interface and back to the traditional desktop requires just a single > keystroke: tap the Windows key once and you're back in familiar turf. Also > to note is the ability to drag the tiles into any arrangement you wish. On > my shiny new laptop, I have rearranged the tiles so that at Top Left is > DeskTop, and then SSMS, ImgBurn,xPlorer2 and a few other > frequently-accessed tools. Once I got the hang of Windows 8, I love it. > Mind you, it did take a couple of days' investment, but the payoff has been > worth it. It boots way faster than anything since DOS, to name just one > cool thing. And to ininstall an app, just right-click on its icon. That's > pretty cool too. > > In > > > On Mon, Aug 19, 2013 at 10:40 PM, Jim Dettman >wrote: > > > Your correct on xp, but that doesn't mean it will stop working. Just no > > more support or updates. > > > > Win 7 is where everyone is heading to...I don't see win 8 except on > > tablets. Microsoft may change that with the update coming out, which > > brings back the start menu and the familiar desktop. > > > > And yes, both require more horsepower and certainly more memory. I > > usually spec out 4GB on stations. > > > > Jim > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > On Aug 19, 2013, at 3:07 PM, "Brad Marks" > > wrote: > > > > > All, > > > > > > I work part time for a small manufacturing firm (about 50 employees) > > > with a very limited IT budget. > > > > > > Currently there are about 20 older PCs running Windows XP (SP3). There > > > are two purchased application systems and a number of Access 2007 > > > applications. > > > > > > It is my understanding that Microsoft is dropping all support > (including > > > security updates) for XP in April of 2014. > > > > > > My background is primarily in application development and database > > > administration. In the past, I have relied on fellow employees for > > > "Operating System issues". > > > > > > I have some dumb questions. > > > > > > How serious is the issue of Microsoft dropping all support for XP next > > > April? > > > > > > What are most firms migrating to? Win-7? Win-8? > > > > > > I would guess that either Win-7 or Win-8 will need more horsepower than > > > XP and neither will run very well on older PCs. True? > > > > > > Will Access 2007 applications run Okay with either Win-7 or Win-8? > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Brad > > > > > > -- > > > AccessD mailing list > > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > -- > Arthur > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Sat Aug 24 00:24:35 2013 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2013 22:24:35 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Future of Windows XP In-Reply-To: <0CF6BCE5E1D6468CABE71ABE253E99B9@BPCS> References: <51E28F2A.13403.AEF4E57@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg><081cdffa39bd4073824ec488d85b3ee1@SIXPR04MB048.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com> <0CF6BCE5E1D6468CABE71ABE253E99B9@BPCS> Message-ID: Thanks Bill. Although why they had to move it is a mystery. It's no more intuitive than W7, less so IMO. R -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bill Patten Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2013 9:59 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Future of Windows XP Rocky Just right click on the desktop screen , select personalization and then change desktop items on the upper left pane. Then select the ones you want. Also if you haven't checked it our on the desktop screen, pull the mouse down to the lower left where the Metro screen is and RIGHT click lots of useful menus like Disk Manager Control Pane etc. Bill -----Original Message----- From: Rocky Smolin Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2013 7:04 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Future of Windows XP Arthur: I have always had a shortcut to 'Computer' on my desktop. I'm using W8 on my new laptop but usually bail out to the W7 desktop. I sued to hit the Start button and then click ''Computer or drag 'Computer' to the desktop for a shortcut. But can't figure out how to get that done in W8. Do you know? I also have a problem on the W8 desktop triggering the icons along the right side for settings, search, etc. Seems that when I'm really trying to get those icons to appear I can't. Then after a few tries they do appear. Is there a trick to that? Thanks Rocky -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2013 2:53 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Future of Windows XP I must confess to the same sin, Charlotte. After a couple of days' frustration, Icoupld with reading a guide from Packt, I discovered the magic of the Windows key, and that changed everything. The new laptop I just recently bought (which came with Win8 installed), with 8GB RAM and 1TB hard disk, also helped significantly. I spend half my time in Linux, but I must say that Win8 is a significant leap forward from Win7. Once I learned that you can drag them tiles into a configuration that suits you, then it was a game-changer. Now my Start tile-set only remotely resembles the original setup, and works way more efficiently. I also have a 23" monitor attached to said laptop, in stretch-mode, and that too is a significant step forward. Arthur On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 8:12 PM, Charlotte Foust wrote: > Darryl, > > I've been using Win 8 since March and I love it. The speed is > excellent and my machine (with a registry tweak, IIRC) automatically > loads the desktop after the start menu. I've found Win 8 to be stable > too. The "fuss" is all UI and getting used to not having tidy menus > any more. I also like Office 2013. > > Charlotte > > > On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 1:05 AM, Darryl Collins < > darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au> wrote: > > > Hi Brad, > > > > Nearly all the corporate I know of and work with are moving from XP > > to > Win > > 7. I don't know of any business that is running win 8 or Office > > 2013, although there must be some of them out there. > > > > Personally I find Win 8 an abomination to use. Sure it is fast, but > > my god, it is a pain in the ar$e. I haven't used it a lot, but > > those I know who have been using it for months still don't love it. > > "I am getting used to it" is the most common refrain, rather than > > "Wow, Now I love it!". > > Urrrrrgh. Wait for W9 I say.... > > > > In corporate land they are nearly always 2 life cycles behind the > > cutting edge. This not only maximises their return on the software > > costs, but > also > > minimises the upgrade risk as the initial bugs and UI issues are > generally > > ironed out by the time the upgrade. The loose rule is 'Never before > > SP1 and preferably post SP2' before even considering the upgrade. > > > > Whislt some businesses / Corporate I work with are on Office 2007, > > most > of > > them have gone from XP / Office 2003 straight to Win 7 - Office 2010. > > Honestly, you can largely consider Office 2007 as the beta release > > for 2010 and most of the IT folks who make the decisions are onto > > that. 2010 is pretty good to work with, where as 2007 has plenty of > > annoyances, even today. > > > > As for XP security, there would be some risk if an exploit is found > > that it will not be patched. Most folks in business will upgrade > > when the support runs out. But I guess that is up the them and > > there needs and budgets. > > > > Good luck. > > > > Win 7 is a nice OS, stable, quiet and fuss free. Worth considering. > > If possible give your old XP machines max RAM, 4GB if they are on less. > > > > > > ________________________________________ > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com < > > accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> on behalf of Brad Marks < > > BradM at blackforestltd.com> > > Sent: Tuesday, 20 August 2013 5:07 AM > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > > Subject: [AccessD] Future of Windows XP > > > > All, > > > > I work part time for a small manufacturing firm (about 50 employees) > > with a very limited IT budget. > > > > Currently there are about 20 older PCs running Windows XP (SP3). > > There are two purchased application systems and a number of Access > > 2007 applications. > > > > It is my understanding that Microsoft is dropping all support > > (including security updates) for XP in April of 2014. > > > > My background is primarily in application development and database > > administration. In the past, I have relied on fellow employees for > > "Operating System issues". > > > > I have some dumb questions. > > > > How serious is the issue of Microsoft dropping all support for XP > > next April? > > > > What are most firms migrating to? Win-7? Win-8? > > > > I would guess that either Win-7 or Win-8 will need more horsepower > > than XP and neither will run very well on older PCs. True? > > > > Will Access 2007 applications run Okay with either Win-7 or Win-8? > > > > Thanks, > > Brad > > > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Arthur -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Gustav at cactus.dk Sat Aug 24 03:56:34 2013 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2013 10:56:34 +0200 Subject: [AccessD] Future of Windows XP Message-ID: Hi boogie(?) It's about Trusted Platform Module, the hardware module, not Windows 8. /gustav >>> boogieloogie at gmail.com 24-08-13 4:31 >>> I lurk 99.9% of the time but need to say this about Windows 8. If you value privacy then do not use it. There is a direct pipe to the NSA and they can control your computer remotely, glean all info, turn your device into a spying apparatus. It is so serious that the German Government issued a warning this past week. http://blogs.computerworlduk.com/open-enterprise/2013/08/german-government-warns-of-windows-8-loss-of-control/index.htm http://investmentwatchblog.com/leaked-german-government-warns-key-entities-not-to-use-windows-8-links-the-nsa/ :L From ssharkins at gmail.com Sat Aug 24 09:04:48 2013 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2013 10:04:48 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Relative reference to Word document? References: <52161F4D.1080503@torchlake.com> <52175CB8.7030607@torchlake.com><00ce01cea002$5e919120$1bb4b360$@beechnutconsulting.com><521762FA.1060404@torchlake.com><4AFD4A355B78476E8D52A902DAF2126F@SusanHarkins> <52179AE0.5000607@torchlake.com> Message-ID: <057827DA4F8B444B82FDA4E21720A941@SusanHarkins> > For number two - yeah, except that the Access report writer is so clunky - > still, you may be right. I'll noodle on that one for a while. The > executive director will want to update it periodically, which will require > my assistance, but I can live with that. ==========I used to use it to generate nice-looking invoices for a long time. Almost everything was text boxes with a few variables dropped in. I'm wondering if you couldn't use Building Blocks. I hadn't even considered that feature and I don't know if you can access the feature from Access. That might help your director, but doesn't eliminate your problem of users moving the file in the first place. Susan H. From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Sat Aug 24 09:05:21 2013 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2013 07:05:21 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Future of Windows XP In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: It says you can't turn off TMP, though. Is there a solution? R -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2013 1:57 AM To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [AccessD] Future of Windows XP Hi boogie(?) It's about Trusted Platform Module, the hardware module, not Windows 8. /gustav >>> boogieloogie at gmail.com 24-08-13 4:31 >>> I lurk 99.9% of the time but need to say this about Windows 8. If you value privacy then do not use it. There is a direct pipe to the NSA and they can control your computer remotely, glean all info, turn your device into a spying apparatus. It is so serious that the German Government issued a warning this past week. http://blogs.computerworlduk.com/open-enterprise/2013/08/german-government-w arns-of-windows-8-loss-of-control/index.htm http://investmentwatchblog.com/leaked-german-government-warns-key-entities-n ot-to-use-windows-8-links-the-nsa/ :L -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From ssharkins at gmail.com Sat Aug 24 09:14:26 2013 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2013 10:14:26 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Future of Windows XP References: Message-ID: <09B0D986E7B54B26BBDD8737E849E164@SusanHarkins> My sunflower/goat/chicken farm's looking real good. Susan H. > It says you can't turn off TMP, though. Is there a solution? > > R > > Hi boogie(?) > > It's about Trusted Platform Module, the hardware module, not Windows 8. > > /gustav > From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Sat Aug 24 09:29:41 2013 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2013 07:29:41 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Future of Windows XP In-Reply-To: <09B0D986E7B54B26BBDD8737E849E164@SusanHarkins> References: <09B0D986E7B54B26BBDD8737E849E164@SusanHarkins> Message-ID: I'm becoming more anti-technology myself now. I'm beginning to resent how much time the computer demands. Maybe because I spent my whole adult life immersed in it. But I feel like I need to ride more bike, play more music, travel to more places, anything but comp. But, here I am using it to keep in touch with a bunch of friends. Balance, I guess, in all things. Did I mention how much I hate Facebook - and the longer its there the more people are compelling me to go there? R -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2013 7:14 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Future of Windows XP My sunflower/goat/chicken farm's looking real good. Susan H. > It says you can't turn off TMP, though. Is there a solution? > > R > > Hi boogie(?) > > It's about Trusted Platform Module, the hardware module, not Windows 8. > > /gustav > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From vbacreations at gmail.com Sat Aug 24 09:36:12 2013 From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson) Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2013 10:36:12 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Future of Windows XP In-Reply-To: <09B0D986E7B54B26BBDD8737E849E164@SusanHarkins> References: <09B0D986E7B54B26BBDD8737E849E164@SusanHarkins> Message-ID: But that's seasonal.... what ya gonna do in the winter? On Aug 24, 2013 10:14 AM, "Susan Harkins" wrote: > > My sunflower/goat/chicken farm's looking real good. > Susan H. > From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Sat Aug 24 09:43:13 2013 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2013 07:43:13 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Future of Windows XP In-Reply-To: References: <09B0D986E7B54B26BBDD8737E849E164@SusanHarkins> Message-ID: <930FC8FB83344ED393F5E98034984AF1@HAL9007> Winter vegetables? Snow peas? R -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Benson Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2013 7:36 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Future of Windows XP But that's seasonal.... what ya gonna do in the winter? On Aug 24, 2013 10:14 AM, "Susan Harkins" wrote: > > My sunflower/goat/chicken farm's looking real good. Susan H. > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From ssharkins at gmail.com Sat Aug 24 10:20:44 2013 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2013 11:20:44 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Future of Windows XP References: <09B0D986E7B54B26BBDD8737E849E164@SusanHarkins> Message-ID: I'll be in Belize! :) Susan H. > But that's seasonal.... what ya gonna do in the winter? >> >> My sunflower/goat/chicken farm's looking real good. >> Susan H. From accessd at shaw.ca Sat Aug 24 11:01:14 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2013 10:01:14 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [AccessD] Future of Windows XP In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1312445504.38737414.1377360074576.JavaMail.root@cds002> Good research Boogie The article's writers are saying what I have been saying, in many different ways, for years. ...the key benefit of using free software software is not really financial, although it may well be cheaper to run open source systems than proprietary ones, depending on the exact circumstances. Rather, what free software gives is what its name proclaims: freedom. It lets you use your software and system as you wish, not subject to external constraints. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Boogie Loogie" To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" Sent: Friday, August 23, 2013 7:31:40 PM Subject: Re: [AccessD] Future of Windows XP I lurk 99.9% of the time but need to say this about Windows 8. If you value privacy then do not use it. There is a direct pipe to the NSA and they can control your computer remotely, glean all info, turn your device into a spying apparatus. It is so serious that the German Government issued a warning this past week. http://blogs.computerworlduk.com/open-enterprise/2013/08/german-government-warns-of-windows-8-loss-of-control/index.htm http://investmentwatchblog.com/leaked-german-government-warns-key-entities-not-to-use-windows-8-links-the-nsa/ :L On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 4:40 PM, Arthur Fuller wrote: > I think that Win8 requires less horsepower than WinXP or Win7, but either > way it doesn't matter. Also to be noted is that to move away from the tiled > interface and back to the traditional desktop requires just a single > keystroke: tap the Windows key once and you're back in familiar turf. Also > to note is the ability to drag the tiles into any arrangement you wish. On > my shiny new laptop, I have rearranged the tiles so that at Top Left is > DeskTop, and then SSMS, ImgBurn,xPlorer2 and a few other > frequently-accessed tools. Once I got the hang of Windows 8, I love it. > Mind you, it did take a couple of days' investment, but the payoff has been > worth it. It boots way faster than anything since DOS, to name just one > cool thing. And to ininstall an app, just right-click on its icon. That's > pretty cool too. > > In > > > On Mon, Aug 19, 2013 at 10:40 PM, Jim Dettman >wrote: > > > Your correct on xp, but that doesn't mean it will stop working. Just no > > more support or updates. > > > > Win 7 is where everyone is heading to...I don't see win 8 except on > > tablets. Microsoft may change that with the update coming out, which > > brings back the start menu and the familiar desktop. > > > > And yes, both require more horsepower and certainly more memory. I > > usually spec out 4GB on stations. > > > > Jim > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > On Aug 19, 2013, at 3:07 PM, "Brad Marks" > > wrote: > > > > > All, > > > > > > I work part time for a small manufacturing firm (about 50 employees) > > > with a very limited IT budget. > > > > > > Currently there are about 20 older PCs running Windows XP (SP3). There > > > are two purchased application systems and a number of Access 2007 > > > applications. > > > > > > It is my understanding that Microsoft is dropping all support > (including > > > security updates) for XP in April of 2014. > > > > > > My background is primarily in application development and database > > > administration. In the past, I have relied on fellow employees for > > > "Operating System issues". > > > > > > I have some dumb questions. > > > > > > How serious is the issue of Microsoft dropping all support for XP next > > > April? > > > > > > What are most firms migrating to? Win-7? Win-8? > > > > > > I would guess that either Win-7 or Win-8 will need more horsepower than > > > XP and neither will run very well on older PCs. True? > > > > > > Will Access 2007 applications run Okay with either Win-7 or Win-8? > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Brad > > > > > > -- > > > AccessD mailing list > > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > -- > Arthur > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Sat Aug 24 12:48:17 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2013 11:48:17 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [AccessD] Future of Windows XP In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1760101019.38801360.1377366497269.JavaMail.root@cds002> Hi All: The TPM module is available in Dell, HP and Lenovo computers and it comes turned on by default but it can be turned off. http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc749022(v=ws.10).aspx It should be noted that certain applications will not install or files be able to be used unless the chip is turned on. There have been other issues with the chip as accessing the chip improperly can cause it to fail. http://www.wave.com/support/trusted-platform-module-tpm-disabled-unavailable-or-locked-1 The reason for the chip is that it is supposed to validate whether all software and content on the computer is in fact one hundred percent legal and matches its digital management certification. It will be interesting to see how far this process will proceed and all the ramifications. It may all just be a tempest in a teapot, but the potential for misuse by some over zealous officials is always there. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gustav Brock" To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2013 1:56:34 AM Subject: Re: [AccessD] Future of Windows XP Hi boogie(?) It's about Trusted Platform Module, the hardware module, not Windows 8. /gustav >>> boogieloogie at gmail.com 24-08-13 4:31 >>> I lurk 99.9% of the time but need to say this about Windows 8. If you value privacy then do not use it. There is a direct pipe to the NSA and they can control your computer remotely, glean all info, turn your device into a spying apparatus. It is so serious that the German Government issued a warning this past week. http://blogs.computerworlduk.com/open-enterprise/2013/08/german-government-warns-of-windows-8-loss-of-control/index.htm http://investmentwatchblog.com/leaked-german-government-warns-key-entities-not-to-use-windows-8-links-the-nsa/ :L -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From charlotte.foust at gmail.com Sun Aug 25 15:19:20 2013 From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust) Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2013 13:19:20 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Relative reference to Word document? In-Reply-To: <52179AE0.5000607@torchlake.com> References: <52161F4D.1080503@torchlake.com> <52175CB8.7030607@torchlake.com> <00ce01cea002$5e919120$1bb4b360$@beechnutconsulting.com> <521762FA.1060404@torchlake.com> <4AFD4A355B78476E8D52A902DAF2126F@SusanHarkins> <52179AE0.5000607@torchlake.com> Message-ID: I've built incredibly complex reports in Access and never found it "clunky". I would be interested to know what "clunky" behaviors you have had problems with. Charlotte On Fri, Aug 23, 2013 at 10:24 AM, Tina Norris Fields < tinanfields at torchlake.com> wrote: > Susan - :-) > > For number one - I did, and it didn't work - they still moved it - in > fact, they didn't even realize that they were moving it. "Hey, I'm just > editing it to bring it up-to-date, and I'll keep it here where I can easily > find it again next year. I'm not moving it, I'm just updating it!" > > For number two - yeah, except that the Access report writer is so clunky - > still, you may be right. I'll noodle on that one for a while. The > executive director will want to update it periodically, which will require > my assistance, but I can live with that. > > > TNF > > Tina Norris Fields > tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-**com > 231-322-2787 > > On 8/23/2013 12:36 PM, Susan Harkins wrote: > >> But somebody has to remember to update it, right? Why can't you just tell >> them, "do not move this file!" I'd just embed it as a report I think and >> ditch the Word file. >> >> Susan H. >> >> >> Another good idea, elegant and sophisticated. Thanks. >>> >> >> > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.**com > From tinanfields at torchlake.com Sun Aug 25 19:59:35 2013 From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields) Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2013 20:59:35 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Relative reference to Word document? In-Reply-To: References: <52161F4D.1080503@torchlake.com> <52175CB8.7030607@torchlake.com> <00ce01cea002$5e919120$1bb4b360$@beechnutconsulting.com> <521762FA.1060404@torchlake.com> <4AFD4A355B78476E8D52A902DAF2126F@SusanHarkins> <52179AE0.5000607@torchlake.com> Message-ID: <521AA877.8010001@torchlake.com> Hi Charlotte, Maybe I was doing the wrong things. Both you and Susan have supported the concept of making this into an embedded Access report. My experience was that the contents of the merge fields varied in size and the text of my "letter" didn't wrap well, so I didn't get the kind of paragraph spacing and formatting that I get with Word. When I found I could not add postal bar codes to my Access labels, but it was a snap with Word, I took these experiences together and said "forget it." Ever since, I have set up the data source in Access and the form letters and labels in Word. I'm willing to learn. Best, TNF Tina Norris Fields tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com 231-322-2787 On 8/25/2013 4:19 PM, Charlotte Foust wrote: > I've built incredibly complex reports in Access and never found it > "clunky". I would be interested to know what "clunky" behaviors you have > had problems with. > > Charlotte > > > On Fri, Aug 23, 2013 at 10:24 AM, Tina Norris Fields < > tinanfields at torchlake.com> wrote: > >> Susan - :-) >> >> For number one - I did, and it didn't work - they still moved it - in >> fact, they didn't even realize that they were moving it. "Hey, I'm just >> editing it to bring it up-to-date, and I'll keep it here where I can easily >> find it again next year. I'm not moving it, I'm just updating it!" >> >> For number two - yeah, except that the Access report writer is so clunky - >> still, you may be right. I'll noodle on that one for a while. The >> executive director will want to update it periodically, which will require >> my assistance, but I can live with that. >> >> >> TNF >> >> From charlotte.foust at gmail.com Mon Aug 26 12:53:04 2013 From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust) Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2013 10:53:04 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Relative reference to Word document? In-Reply-To: <521AA877.8010001@torchlake.com> References: <52161F4D.1080503@torchlake.com> <52175CB8.7030607@torchlake.com> <00ce01cea002$5e919120$1bb4b360$@beechnutconsulting.com> <521762FA.1060404@torchlake.com> <4AFD4A355B78476E8D52A902DAF2126F@SusanHarkins> <52179AE0.5000607@torchlake.com> <521AA877.8010001@torchlake.com> Message-ID: If you need a Word document, then by all means use Word. I've built Notice of Action letters (health insurance language) in Access because I didn't want to have the hassle of integrating a Word document into something that required boiler plate interspersed with variable detail information and variable lookup information. It was extremely complex and resulted in 2 back to back letters to each recipient, one in English and then one in Spanish. The number of total pages depended on the number of detail items, the county of service, the particular medical benefits plan involved, and the specific reasons for denial or payment by line item. The result was usually about 8 pages of mixed boiler plate and individual and customized data. We ran them in batches of 250 - 500 at a time printed to PDF. We also had to be able to go back and enter a claim number and reprint any of the letters on demand. I built it in Access because I could nest subreports, group several times on a single value (i.e., language), and handle the variables in Access easier than I could in Word. I had subreports nested 4 deep. Each subreport could grow and shrink, as could the groups they were in. They weren't required to be perfect Word documents, so the wrapping was largely controlled by the ffixed width of the control it appeared in. No automatic hyphens, etc., but acceptable. Access may well be the hard way for what you're doing, but it isn't because the report generator is clunky, it's because it is extremely powerful. As with dot net, once you learn the essentials and the scope of possibilities, everything looks like an Access report. ;-} Charlotte On Sun, Aug 25, 2013 at 5:59 PM, Tina Norris Fields < tinanfields at torchlake.com> wrote: > Hi Charlotte, > > Maybe I was doing the wrong things. Both you and Susan have supported the > concept of making this into an embedded Access report. > > My experience was that the contents of the merge fields varied in size and > the text of my "letter" didn't wrap well, so I didn't get the kind of > paragraph spacing and formatting that I get with Word. When I found I > could not add postal bar codes to my Access labels, but it was a snap with > Word, I took these experiences together and said "forget it." Ever since, > I have set up the data source in Access and the form letters and labels in > Word. > > I'm willing to learn. > > Best, > > TNF > > Tina Norris Fields > tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-**com > 231-322-2787 > > On 8/25/2013 4:19 PM, Charlotte Foust wrote: > >> I've built incredibly complex reports in Access and never found it >> "clunky". I would be interested to know what "clunky" behaviors you have >> had problems with. >> >> Charlotte >> >> >> On Fri, Aug 23, 2013 at 10:24 AM, Tina Norris Fields < >> tinanfields at torchlake.com> wrote: >> >> Susan - :-) >>> >>> For number one - I did, and it didn't work - they still moved it - in >>> fact, they didn't even realize that they were moving it. "Hey, I'm just >>> editing it to bring it up-to-date, and I'll keep it here where I can >>> easily >>> find it again next year. I'm not moving it, I'm just updating it!" >>> >>> For number two - yeah, except that the Access report writer is so clunky >>> - >>> still, you may be right. I'll noodle on that one for a while. The >>> executive director will want to update it periodically, which will >>> require >>> my assistance, but I can live with that. >>> >>> >>> TNF >>> >>> >>> > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.**com > From tinanfields at torchlake.com Mon Aug 26 14:07:53 2013 From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields) Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2013 15:07:53 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Relative reference to Word document? In-Reply-To: References: <52161F4D.1080503@torchlake.com> <52175CB8.7030607@torchlake.com> <00ce01cea002$5e919120$1bb4b360$@beechnutconsulting.com> <521762FA.1060404@torchlake.com> <4AFD4A355B78476E8D52A902DAF2126F@SusanHarkins> <52179AE0.5000607@torchlake.com> <521AA877.8010001@torchlake.com> Message-ID: <521BA789.3040409@torchlake.com> Very enjoyable and informative response. Thanks a bunch. TNF Tina Norris Fields tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com 231-322-2787 On 8/26/2013 1:53 PM, Charlotte Foust wrote: > If you need a Word document, then by all means use Word. I've built Notice > of Action letters (health insurance language) in Access because I didn't > want to have the hassle of integrating a Word document into something that > required boiler plate interspersed with variable detail information and > variable lookup information. It was extremely complex and resulted in 2 > back to back letters to each recipient, one in English and then one in > Spanish. The number of total pages depended on the number of detail items, > the county of service, the particular medical benefits plan involved, and > the specific reasons for denial or payment by line item. The result was > usually about 8 pages of mixed boiler plate and individual and customized > data. We ran them in batches of 250 - 500 at a time printed to PDF. We > also had to be able to go back and enter a claim number and reprint any of > the letters on demand. > > I built it in Access because I could nest subreports, group several times > on a single value (i.e., language), and handle the variables in Access > easier than I could in Word. I had subreports nested 4 deep. Each > subreport could grow and shrink, as could the groups they were in. They > weren't required to be perfect Word documents, so the wrapping was largely > controlled by the ffixed width of the control it appeared in. No automatic > hyphens, etc., but acceptable. > > Access may well be the hard way for what you're doing, but it isn't because > the report generator is clunky, it's because it is extremely powerful. As > with dot net, once you learn the essentials and the scope of possibilities, > everything looks like an Access report. ;-} > > Charlotte > > > On Sun, Aug 25, 2013 at 5:59 PM, Tina Norris Fields < > tinanfields at torchlake.com> wrote: > >> Hi Charlotte, >> >> Maybe I was doing the wrong things. Both you and Susan have supported the >> concept of making this into an embedded Access report. >> >> My experience was that the contents of the merge fields varied in size and >> the text of my "letter" didn't wrap well, so I didn't get the kind of >> paragraph spacing and formatting that I get with Word. When I found I >> could not add postal bar codes to my Access labels, but it was a snap with >> Word, I took these experiences together and said "forget it." Ever since, >> I have set up the data source in Access and the form letters and labels in >> Word. >> >> I'm willing to learn. >> >> Best, >> >> TNF >> >> Tina Norris Fields >> tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-**com >> 231-322-2787 >> >> On 8/25/2013 4:19 PM, Charlotte Foust wrote: >> >>> I've built incredibly complex reports in Access and never found it >>> "clunky". I would be interested to know what "clunky" behaviors you have >>> had problems with. >>> >>> Charlotte >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Aug 23, 2013 at 10:24 AM, Tina Norris Fields < >>> tinanfields at torchlake.com> wrote: >>> >>> Susan - :-) >>>> For number one - I did, and it didn't work - they still moved it - in >>>> fact, they didn't even realize that they were moving it. "Hey, I'm just >>>> editing it to bring it up-to-date, and I'll keep it here where I can >>>> easily >>>> find it again next year. I'm not moving it, I'm just updating it!" >>>> >>>> For number two - yeah, except that the Access report writer is so clunky >>>> - >>>> still, you may be right. I'll noodle on that one for a while. The >>>> executive director will want to update it periodically, which will >>>> require >>>> my assistance, but I can live with that. >>>> >>>> >>>> TNF >>>> >>>> >>>> >> -- >> AccessD mailing list >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/accessd >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.**com >> From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au Mon Aug 26 18:57:25 2013 From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins) Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2013 23:57:25 +0000 Subject: [AccessD] Future of Windows XP In-Reply-To: References: <51E28F2A.13403.AEF4E57@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <5454EE61-AA5C-4CED-8387-ED365984F025@verizon.net> Message-ID: <8be93aa123754aef842f67971c519c30@SIXPR04MB048.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com> Wow... Thanks for that link. Interesting stuff. Maybe time to bone up on Linux when my W7 pc dies... -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Boogie Loogie Sent: Saturday, 24 August 2013 12:32 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Future of Windows XP I lurk 99.9% of the time but need to say this about Windows 8. If you value privacy then do not use it. There is a direct pipe to the NSA and they can control your computer remotely, glean all info, turn your device into a spying apparatus. It is so serious that the German Government issued a warning this past week. http://blogs.computerworlduk.com/open-enterprise/2013/08/german-government-warns-of-windows-8-loss-of-control/index.htm http://investmentwatchblog.com/leaked-german-government-warns-key-entities-not-to-use-windows-8-links-the-nsa/ :L On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 4:40 PM, Arthur Fuller wrote: > I think that Win8 requires less horsepower than WinXP or Win7, but > either way it doesn't matter. Also to be noted is that to move away > from the tiled interface and back to the traditional desktop requires > just a single > keystroke: tap the Windows key once and you're back in familiar turf. > Also to note is the ability to drag the tiles into any arrangement you > wish. On my shiny new laptop, I have rearranged the tiles so that at > Top Left is DeskTop, and then SSMS, ImgBurn,xPlorer2 and a few other > frequently-accessed tools. Once I got the hang of Windows 8, I love it. > Mind you, it did take a couple of days' investment, but the payoff has > been worth it. It boots way faster than anything since DOS, to name > just one cool thing. And to ininstall an app, just right-click on its > icon. That's pretty cool too. > > In > > > On Mon, Aug 19, 2013 at 10:40 PM, Jim Dettman >wrote: > > > Your correct on xp, but that doesn't mean it will stop working. > > Just no more support or updates. > > > > Win 7 is where everyone is heading to...I don't see win 8 except on > > tablets. Microsoft may change that with the update coming out, which > > brings back the start menu and the familiar desktop. > > > > And yes, both require more horsepower and certainly more memory. I > > usually spec out 4GB on stations. > > > > Jim > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > On Aug 19, 2013, at 3:07 PM, "Brad Marks" > > wrote: > > > > > All, > > > > > > I work part time for a small manufacturing firm (about 50 > > > employees) with a very limited IT budget. > > > > > > Currently there are about 20 older PCs running Windows XP (SP3). > > > There are two purchased application systems and a number of Access > > > 2007 applications. > > > > > > It is my understanding that Microsoft is dropping all support > (including > > > security updates) for XP in April of 2014. > > > > > > My background is primarily in application development and database > > > administration. In the past, I have relied on fellow employees > > > for "Operating System issues". > > > > > > I have some dumb questions. > > > > > > How serious is the issue of Microsoft dropping all support for XP > > > next April? > > > > > > What are most firms migrating to? Win-7? Win-8? > > > > > > I would guess that either Win-7 or Win-8 will need more horsepower > > > than XP and neither will run very well on older PCs. True? > > > > > > Will Access 2007 applications run Okay with either Win-7 or Win-8? > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Brad > > > > > > -- > > > AccessD mailing list > > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > -- > Arthur > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From BradM at blackforestltd.com Tue Aug 27 16:08:48 2013 From: BradM at blackforestltd.com (Brad Marks) Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2013 16:08:48 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Questions on 32-bit 64-bit - Applications Developed with Access-2007 References: , <51E28F2A.13403.AEF4E57@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: All, We are starting to discuss the replacement of a number of old PCs (XP). They will probably be replaced with new Dell PCs. We have a number of Access 2007 applications (32 bit). It is my understanding that Access 2007 applications (32 bit) will run fine under Win-7 32-bit or Win-7 64 bit. It is my understanding that there are significant problems when trying to run Access 2007 (32-bit) applications with Office 2013 (64 bit). Is this true? Also, it is my understanding that if Office 2013 is installed on a Windows-7 64-bit PC, it will be installed as Office 2013 64-bit. On the other hand if Office 2013 is installed on a Windows-7 32-bit PC, it will be installed as Office 2013 32-bit. Is this correct? Will an Access 2007 application run Okay with Office 2013 32-bit? Thanks, Brad From jimdettman at verizon.net Tue Aug 27 16:42:10 2013 From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman) Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2013 17:42:10 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Questions on 32-bit 64-bit - Applications Developed withAccess-2007 In-Reply-To: References: , <51E28F2A.13403.AEF4E57@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <> Yes. <> Depends. If you used Windows API calls, yes. When running 64 bit Access, any external call made is expected to be 64 bit. That means ODBC DSN connections, drivers, etc. Anything outside of Access needs to be 64 bit. You can either write two versions of your DB, or use compiler directives so that it will run in both environments (up to a point). <> No, there are still two versions. However you cannot mix and match 32 vs 64 bit within Office. Ie. Excel can't be 64 bit and Access 32 bit. <> Yes. Jim. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brad Marks Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2013 05:09 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: [AccessD] Questions on 32-bit 64-bit - Applications Developed withAccess-2007 All, <> -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Tue Aug 27 17:23:56 2013 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2013 15:23:56 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Outlook Icon Image disappeared Message-ID: <50226AA3E1FB46C594215EA1C62AC573@HAL9007> Dear List: Running Office 2003 & W7. Last week the Outlook icon on my desktop lost the image. The one in the start menu as well. Right clicking the shortcut does not allow me to point to an ico file like most property dialogs - the Change Icon button is grayed out. Does anyone know how to restore the icon? MTIA Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software 858-259-4334 www.bchacc.com www.e-z-mrp.com Skype: rocky.smolin From accessd at shaw.ca Tue Aug 27 17:30:50 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2013 16:30:50 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [AccessD] Outlook Icon Image disappeared In-Reply-To: <50226AA3E1FB46C594215EA1C62AC573@HAL9007> Message-ID: <1953471935.41349929.1377642650779.JavaMail.root@cds002> >From the Google reference bible: You may open Outlook in its application safe following the steps from below: Click Start, go to Programs, go to Accessories, click Run, type outlook /safe. If the application works fine safe mode, try disabling the add ins for the application and check the result, Click the File tab, Go to Options, Click Trust Center. In Trust Center, click Add-ins. Select or clear the options that you want. If the issue persists, then create new Outlook profile following the steps from the article: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/829918 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rocky Smolin" To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2013 3:23:56 PM Subject: [AccessD] Outlook Icon Image disappeared Dear List: Running Office 2003 & W7. Last week the Outlook icon on my desktop lost the image. The one in the start menu as well. Right clicking the shortcut does not allow me to point to an ico file like most property dialogs - the Change Icon button is grayed out. Does anyone know how to restore the icon? MTIA Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software 858-259-4334 www.bchacc.com www.e-z-mrp.com Skype: rocky.smolin -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From marksimms at verizon.net Tue Aug 27 18:05:23 2013 From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms) Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2013 19:05:23 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] AC97 Under Win 7 In-Reply-To: <02aa01ce9f8b$0dac0190$290404b0$@net> References: , <51E28F2A.13403.AEF4E57@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <00cc01ce9dc8$a55febb0$f01fc310$@winhaven.net> <02aa01ce9f8b$0dac0190$290404b0$@net> Message-ID: <034801cea379$e94e82d0$bbeb8870$@net> If anyone is interested, I finally got Access 97 to install with the SR2b release onto Windows 7 Ultimate (32) without having to use a stupid virtual machine as all of the experts advised. In doing the research, I discovered that if you don't do it right, you can totally destroy the Windows 7 installation with the SR2b install package. It acted almost like a rootkit virus....not even Safe Mode would work ! Pretty remarkable behavior. Then you can ask me why I am still doing dev under AC97....I've already mentioned that story once on this list....wait till you hear the update ! From accessd at shaw.ca Tue Aug 27 18:12:52 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2013 17:12:52 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [AccessD] AC97 Under Win 7 In-Reply-To: <034801cea379$e94e82d0$bbeb8870$@net> Message-ID: <1098282856.41383295.1377645172623.JavaMail.root@cds002> Go for it...I need impressing and maybe a good laugh as well. ;-) Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Simms" To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2013 4:05:23 PM Subject: [AccessD] AC97 Under Win 7 If anyone is interested, I finally got Access 97 to install with the SR2b release onto Windows 7 Ultimate (32) without having to use a stupid virtual machine as all of the experts advised. In doing the research, I discovered that if you don't do it right, you can totally destroy the Windows 7 installation with the SR2b install package. It acted almost like a rootkit virus....not even Safe Mode would work ! Pretty remarkable behavior. Then you can ask me why I am still doing dev under AC97....I've already mentioned that story once on this list....wait till you hear the update ! -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From gustav at cactus.dk Wed Aug 28 01:30:42 2013 From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2013 08:30:42 +0200 Subject: [AccessD] AC97 Under Win 7 Message-ID: <000a01cea3b8$1ecf38d0$5c6daa70$@cactus.dk> Hi Mark Great, but if I recall correctly, Drew once told the same story, though I think it was on Vista. So how did you do? Will you release a guide? Next step - as Win7 32-bit is not used that much - can you make it run under Win7 64-bit? Looking forward to your 97 experience update! /gustav -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Mark Simms Sendt: 28. august 2013 01:05 Til: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Emne: [AccessD] AC97 Under Win 7 If anyone is interested, I finally got Access 97 to install with the SR2b release onto Windows 7 Ultimate (32) without having to use a stupid virtual machine as all of the experts advised. In doing the research, I discovered that if you don't do it right, you can totally destroy the Windows 7 installation with the SR2b install package. It acted almost like a rootkit virus....not even Safe Mode would work ! Pretty remarkable behavior. Then you can ask me why I am still doing dev under AC97....I've already mentioned that story once on this list....wait till you hear the update ! From charlotte.foust at gmail.com Wed Aug 28 12:00:28 2013 From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust) Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2013 10:00:28 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Questions on 32-bit 64-bit - Applications Developed with Access-2007 In-Reply-To: References: <51E28F2A.13403.AEF4E57@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: To add to What Jim said, even Micrrosoft doesn't really recommend running Office 64-bit unless you absolutely need to. I run Office 32-bit on Win 8 64-bit without any problems. If some of your machines are transitioning from 32-bit to 64-bit, you're best off upgrading to 32-bit Office. On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 2:08 PM, Brad Marks wrote: > All, > > We are starting to discuss the replacement of a number of old PCs (XP). > They will probably be replaced with new Dell PCs. > > We have a number of Access 2007 applications (32 bit). > > It is my understanding that Access 2007 applications (32 bit) will run > fine under Win-7 32-bit or Win-7 64 bit. > > It is my understanding that there are significant problems when trying > to run Access 2007 (32-bit) applications with Office 2013 (64 bit). Is > this true? > > Also, it is my understanding that if Office 2013 is installed on a > Windows-7 64-bit PC, it will be installed as Office 2013 64-bit. > > On the other hand if Office 2013 is installed on a Windows-7 32-bit PC, > it will be installed as Office 2013 32-bit. > > Is this correct? > > Will an Access 2007 application run Okay with Office 2013 32-bit? > > Thanks, > Brad > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From jbartow at winhaven.net Wed Aug 28 17:49:51 2013 From: jbartow at winhaven.net (John R Bartow) Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2013 17:49:51 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Questions on 32-bit 64-bit - Applications Developed with Access-2007 In-Reply-To: References: <51E28F2A.13403.AEF4E57@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <009c01cea440$e84fa900$b8eefb00$@winhaven.net> Just for one more voice on that issue: DON'T USE 64 BIT OFFICE! ;-) -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2013 12:00 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Questions on 32-bit 64-bit - Applications Developed with Access-2007 To add to What Jim said, even Micrrosoft doesn't really recommend running Office 64-bit unless you absolutely need to. I run Office 32-bit on Win 8 64-bit without any problems. If some of your machines are transitioning from 32-bit to 64-bit, you're best off upgrading to 32-bit Office. On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 2:08 PM, Brad Marks wrote: > All, > > We are starting to discuss the replacement of a number of old PCs (XP). > They will probably be replaced with new Dell PCs. > > We have a number of Access 2007 applications (32 bit). > > It is my understanding that Access 2007 applications (32 bit) will run > fine under Win-7 32-bit or Win-7 64 bit. > > It is my understanding that there are significant problems when trying > to run Access 2007 (32-bit) applications with Office 2013 (64 bit). > Is this true? > > Also, it is my understanding that if Office 2013 is installed on a > Windows-7 64-bit PC, it will be installed as Office 2013 64-bit. > > On the other hand if Office 2013 is installed on a Windows-7 32-bit > PC, it will be installed as Office 2013 32-bit. > > Is this correct? > > Will an Access 2007 application run Okay with Office 2013 32-bit? > > Thanks, > Brad > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Wed Aug 28 18:40:16 2013 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2013 16:40:16 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Outlook Icon Image disappeared Message-ID: <265BB641163047629FD3DA822A9C2D77@HAL9007> _____ From: Rocky Smolin [mailto:rockysmolin at bchacc.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2013 3:24 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Outlook Icon Image disappeared Dear List: Running Office 2003 & W7. Last week the Outlook icon on my desktop lost the image. The one in the start menu as well. Right clicking the shortcut does not allow me to point to an ico file like most property dialogs - the Change Icon button is grayed out. Does anyone know how to restore the icon? MTIA Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software 858-259-4334 www.bchacc.com www.e-z-mrp.com Skype: rocky.smolin From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au Wed Aug 28 18:42:56 2013 From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins) Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2013 23:42:56 +0000 Subject: [AccessD] Questions on 32-bit 64-bit - Applications Developed with Access-2007 In-Reply-To: <009c01cea440$e84fa900$b8eefb00$@winhaven.net> References: <51E28F2A.13403.AEF4E57@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <009c01cea440$e84fa900$b8eefb00$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: 2nd that. 64 Bit OS with 32 bit Office is currently the better option. Regards Darryl -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John R Bartow Sent: Thursday, 29 August 2013 8:50 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Questions on 32-bit 64-bit - Applications Developed with Access-2007 Just for one more voice on that issue: DON'T USE 64 BIT OFFICE! ;-) -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2013 12:00 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Questions on 32-bit 64-bit - Applications Developed with Access-2007 To add to What Jim said, even Micrrosoft doesn't really recommend running Office 64-bit unless you absolutely need to. I run Office 32-bit on Win 8 64-bit without any problems. If some of your machines are transitioning from 32-bit to 64-bit, you're best off upgrading to 32-bit Office. On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 2:08 PM, Brad Marks wrote: > All, > > We are starting to discuss the replacement of a number of old PCs (XP). > They will probably be replaced with new Dell PCs. > > We have a number of Access 2007 applications (32 bit). > > It is my understanding that Access 2007 applications (32 bit) will run > fine under Win-7 32-bit or Win-7 64 bit. > > It is my understanding that there are significant problems when trying > to run Access 2007 (32-bit) applications with Office 2013 (64 bit). > Is this true? > > Also, it is my understanding that if Office 2013 is installed on a > Windows-7 64-bit PC, it will be installed as Office 2013 64-bit. > > On the other hand if Office 2013 is installed on a Windows-7 32-bit > PC, it will be installed as Office 2013 32-bit. > > Is this correct? > > Will an Access 2007 application run Okay with Office 2013 32-bit? > > Thanks, > Brad > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From marksimms at verizon.net Wed Aug 28 20:15:17 2013 From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms) Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2013 21:15:17 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] AC97 Under Win 7 In-Reply-To: <000a01cea3b8$1ecf38d0$5c6daa70$@cactus.dk> References: <000a01cea3b8$1ecf38d0$5c6daa70$@cactus.dk> Message-ID: <019701cea455$39878040$ac9680c0$@net> The AC97 Sr2b install package had a fatal flaw under Win7: it required a replacement of the Tahoma fonts. (reg and bold). That means you must unsecure the Windows\Fonts folder, back them up, remove them...and THEN install the update. That's "it" for the most part. It's still a mystery as to how the installation process clobbers the registry if you make the Windows\Fonts folder unsecured at install-time. I had to run two special admin programs to do that....Win 7 really protects that folder...and now I know why !! This is all related to an earlier post about a client who was "stuck" on AC97. They had a custom-made CRM built with AC97 and DAO 3.51 with compiled VB6. It was a terrific performer....but they lost the source code, so I had to "bolt-on" some functionality in AC97. That worked well for 2 years. Then they decided to rewrite everything in Dot Net and SQL Server 2008. 3+ years later, and they are still not "live". Bugs and GUI issues abound with the new system. Now they are faced with another regulatory change they must support for their clients .... and the firm they hired to do the Dot Net system cannot react in time. So I got a tremendously lucrative contact to do the changes under AC97. I'm at a rate that is no longer embarrassing for high-level professional services as is typically the case these days because of the "Indian effect". All in all, it's a remarkable story. I'll likely publish it. It gets better....the agency who initially got me the contract 5 years ago, came back to me with an full time employment "deal" 2 years ago at that client company. The salary they offered was less than HALF of what I am now getting on a contract basis. One word comes to mind: GREED. Agencies are not to be trusted....at all. They were chomping-at-the-bit for a big agency commission. > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd- > bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock > Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2013 2:31 AM > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > Subject: Re: [AccessD] AC97 Under Win 7 > > Hi Mark > > Great, but if I recall correctly, Drew once told the same story, though > I > think it was on Vista. > So how did you do? Will you release a guide? > > Next step - as Win7 32-bit is not used that much - can you make it run > under > Win7 64-bit? > > Looking forward to your 97 experience update! > > /gustav > > -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- > Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Mark Simms > Sendt: 28. august 2013 01:05 > Til: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > Emne: [AccessD] AC97 Under Win 7 > > If anyone is interested, I finally got Access 97 to install with the > SR2b > release onto Windows 7 Ultimate (32) without having to use a stupid > virtual > machine as all of the experts advised. > In doing the research, I discovered that if you don't do it right, you > can > totally destroy the Windows 7 installation with the SR2b install > package. > It acted almost like a rootkit virus....not even Safe Mode would work ! > Pretty remarkable behavior. > > Then you can ask me why I am still doing dev under AC97....I've already > mentioned that story once on this list....wait till you hear the update > ! > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From gustav at cactus.dk Thu Aug 29 10:23:56 2013 From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2013 17:23:56 +0200 Subject: [AccessD] AC97 Under Win 7 Message-ID: <00d401cea4cb$c74ad690$55e083b0$@cactus.dk> Hi Mark Thanks. I remember now the Tahoma trouble. And it sounds like you are facing some kind of "job security" ... /gustav -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Mark Simms Sendt: 29. august 2013 03:15 Til: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Emne: Re: [AccessD] AC97 Under Win 7 The AC97 Sr2b install package had a fatal flaw under Win7: it required a replacement of the Tahoma fonts. (reg and bold). That means you must unsecure the Windows\Fonts folder, back them up, remove them...and THEN install the update. That's "it" for the most part. It's still a mystery as to how the installation process clobbers the registry if you make the Windows\Fonts folder unsecured at install-time. I had to run two special admin programs to do that....Win 7 really protects that folder...and now I know why !! This is all related to an earlier post about a client who was "stuck" on AC97. They had a custom-made CRM built with AC97 and DAO 3.51 with compiled VB6. It was a terrific performer....but they lost the source code, so I had to "bolt-on" some functionality in AC97. That worked well for 2 years. Then they decided to rewrite everything in Dot Net and SQL Server 2008. 3+ years later, and they are still not "live". Bugs and GUI issues 3+ abound with the new system. Now they are faced with another regulatory change they must support for their clients .... and the firm they hired to do the Dot Net system cannot react in time. So I got a tremendously lucrative contact to do the changes under AC97. I'm at a rate that is no longer embarrassing for high-level professional services as is typically the case these days because of the "Indian effect". All in all, it's a remarkable story. I'll likely publish it. It gets better....the agency who initially got me the contract 5 years ago, came back to me with an full time employment "deal" 2 years ago at that client company. The salary they offered was less than HALF of what I am now getting on a contract basis. One word comes to mind: GREED. Agencies are not to be trusted....at all. They were chomping-at-the-bit for a big agency commission. > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd- > bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock > Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2013 2:31 AM > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > Subject: Re: [AccessD] AC97 Under Win 7 > > Hi Mark > > Great, but if I recall correctly, Drew once told the same story, > though I think it was on Vista. > So how did you do? Will you release a guide? > > Next step - as Win7 32-bit is not used that much - can you make it run under > Win7 64-bit? > > Looking forward to your 97 experience update! > > /gustav > > -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- > Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] Pe vegne af Mark Simms > Sendt: 28. august 2013 01:05 > Til: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > Emne: [AccessD] AC97 Under Win 7 > > If anyone is interested, I finally got Access 97 to install with the > SR2b release onto Windows 7 Ultimate (32) without having to use a > stupid virtual machine as all of the experts advised. > In doing the research, I discovered that if you don't do it right, you > can totally destroy the Windows 7 installation with the SR2b install > package. > It acted almost like a rootkit virus....not even Safe Mode would work ! > Pretty remarkable behavior. > > Then you can ask me why I am still doing dev under AC97....I've > already mentioned that story once on this list....wait till you hear > the update ! From fuller.artful at gmail.com Thu Aug 29 14:49:22 2013 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2013 15:49:22 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Alpha Anywhere Message-ID: Full Disclure: I am in no way affiliated with the company behind this software, other than I have found their principals and developers most forthcoming with software, updates, friendship and technical support. Acess developers are looking for a new parking spot. I strongly recommend AlphaSoftware.com as the place to begin. Write once, deploy to anywhere. e.g. smart phones, tablets and traditional web sites. No more need to code for specific platforms: AA handles all this so gracefully that it makes competitors vomit. No lie. Check it out, free trial downloads available. And one more thing... Due to my previously established relationship with said firm, I can garner a deal for us all. Regular price is ~1K, cheap at the price, but assuming that I can gather ten or twenty buy-ins, then the price might drop significantly. Restating the aforementioned, I have zero fiscal interest in the Alpha sfttware firm. I stand to gain absolutely nothing from my endorsement of their software firm. I just call them as I see them, and in this case, Idecale AA the leader of the Pack. Nothing else contends.. -- Arthur From BradM at blackforestltd.com Thu Aug 29 15:11:43 2013 From: BradM at blackforestltd.com (Brad Marks) Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2013 15:11:43 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Would Like to Display Microsoft Works Data via Access 2007 References: <51E28F2A.13403.AEF4E57@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg><009c01cea440$e84fa900$b8eefb00$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: All, We have one old PC in the factory that has Microsoft Works 2000 Version 5.0. This PC is not used very much, but it does provide a way to work with a single Works file (which is stored on a server). I would like to replace this old PC with a new one and replace Works with Excel. This is not going to happen in the near future, however. I am curious if there is a way (a utility) to automatically pull the data from the Works file and populate an Excel file with this data. Then I could get at the Excel file from Access. We have an existing "Inquiry" system that is built with Access-2007 that works very nicely. It would be great if we could somehow integrate this old Works data into our existing Inquiry system. I am open to all ideas. Thanks, Brad From jm.hwsn at gmail.com Thu Aug 29 15:34:56 2013 From: jm.hwsn at gmail.com (Jim Hewson) Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2013 15:34:56 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Alpha Anywhere In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: As an old codger, looking at retirement in a few years, I did not want to start learning a new language nor did I want to start over learning something that I might not use. I have worked exclusively on the same project for four years. I completed the first version in six months and it has been continually modified and updated since. I am on my fourth contract. Some of the issues have been the IT departments restrictions on what can and cannot be done. It was suggested that the Access 2007 tool I built be re-written for the web! A daunting task at best and almost impossible in my mind. It contains 82 tables, 532 queries, 167 forms, 152 reports, 33 modules which contains over 30 UDFs and over 34,000 lines of code. I did research on the best way to convert it to the web and still keep in mind the costs, etc.. I found Alpha Five and from what I read, it seemed to be the best solution. What I read stated it was easy to learn, somewhat easy to convert Access to Alpha Five and it was able to port over to the web. I asked for Alpha Five, v11 to be purchased so I could see how it worked and to see what kind of learning curve I would have. It took over six months for it come in... not because of Alpha but the purchasing department is slow. Once I received it, I was told by the IT department it wasn't authorized to be on the network! So I had to put it on a laptop. I procrastinated for a few months before I started working with it. Probably because I didn't want to learn new things at my advanced age. I have been going through the tutorials and reading the documentation in the Alphapedia for the last week or so. It's been a real eye opener. Xbasic which is the programming language is quick and similar to VBA. I have had no problem reading it... although it's like reading a foriegn language sometimes. It is way more powerful than Access. Many of you have heard the phrase: There's an app for that! You know an app for your mobile device. To compare... In Alpha Five .... There's a function for that! For example, some of you might remember the discussion we had a few years ago on the best way to calculate the someone's age or the age of an invoice or something else. The final function was over 50 lines of code. Alpha has a function for that. The Age() function calculates the age from the current date or any date for that matter. The learning curve is not as steep as I thought. I just have to keep at it. Someone once said (I think it was Arthur) Alph Anywhere "beats the socks off" of Access. I must admit he's right! Jim On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 2:49 PM, Arthur Fuller wrote: > Full Disclure: I am in no way affiliated with the company behind this > software, other than I have found their principals and developers most > forthcoming with software, updates, friendship and technical support. > > Acess developers are looking for a new parking spot. I strongly recommend > AlphaSoftware.com as the place to begin. Write once, deploy to anywhere. > e.g. smart phones, tablets and traditional web sites. No more need to code > for specific platforms: AA handles all this so gracefully that it makes > competitors vomit. No lie. Check it out, free trial downloads available. > > And one more thing... Due to my previously established relationship with > said firm, I can garner a deal for us all. Regular price is ~1K, cheap at > the price, but assuming that I can gather ten or twenty buy-ins, then the > price might drop significantly. > > Restating the aforementioned, I have zero fiscal interest in the Alpha > sfttware firm. I stand to gain absolutely nothing from my endorsement of > their software firm. I just call them as I see them, and in this case, > Idecale AA the leader of the Pack. Nothing else contends.. > > -- > Arthur > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au Thu Aug 29 19:22:53 2013 From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins) Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2013 00:22:53 +0000 Subject: [AccessD] Alpha Anywhere In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <972a262a042a498b8bb23465c227b2ec@HKXPR04MB037.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com> I would totally agree that if I had the need for it (and in many past roles in corporate land I have) this would be a great solution. Where I am now and what we do, and need to do, Access is still the fastest and best solution. However if things change in future, I will definitely consider Alpha Five, and I have also suggested that others look at it for their needs too. Worth considering for sure. Cheers Darryl -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Hewson Sent: Friday, 30 August 2013 6:35 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Alpha Anywhere As an old codger, looking at retirement in a few years, I did not want to start learning a new language nor did I want to start over learning something that I might not use. I have worked exclusively on the same project for four years. I completed the first version in six months and it has been continually modified and updated since. I am on my fourth contract. Some of the issues have been the IT departments restrictions on what can and cannot be done. It was suggested that the Access 2007 tool I built be re-written for the web! A daunting task at best and almost impossible in my mind. It contains 82 tables, 532 queries, 167 forms, 152 reports, 33 modules which contains over 30 UDFs and over 34,000 lines of code. I did research on the best way to convert it to the web and still keep in mind the costs, etc.. I found Alpha Five and from what I read, it seemed to be the best solution. What I read stated it was easy to learn, somewhat easy to convert Access to Alpha Five and it was able to port over to the web. I asked for Alpha Five, v11 to be purchased so I could see how it worked and to see what kind of learning curve I would have. It took over six months for it come in... not because of Alpha but the purchasing department is slow. Once I received it, I was told by the IT department it wasn't authorized to be on the network! So I had to put it on a laptop. I procrastinated for a few months before I started working with it. Probably because I didn't want to learn new things at my advanced age. I have been going through the tutorials and reading the documentation in the Alphapedia for the last week or so. It's been a real eye opener. Xbasic which is the programming language is quick and similar to VBA. I have had no problem reading it... although it's like reading a foriegn language sometimes. It is way more powerful than Access. Many of you have heard the phrase: There's an app for that! You know an app for your mobile device. To compare... In Alpha Five .... There's a function for that! For example, some of you might remember the discussion we had a few years ago on the best way to calculate the someone's age or the age of an invoice or something else. The final function was over 50 lines of code. Alpha has a function for that. The Age() function calculates the age from the current date or any date for that matter. The learning curve is not as steep as I thought. I just have to keep at it. Someone once said (I think it was Arthur) Alph Anywhere "beats the socks off" of Access. I must admit he's right! Jim On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 2:49 PM, Arthur Fuller wrote: > Full Disclure: I am in no way affiliated with the company behind this > software, other than I have found their principals and developers most > forthcoming with software, updates, friendship and technical support. > > Acess developers are looking for a new parking spot. I strongly > recommend AlphaSoftware.com as the place to begin. Write once, deploy to anywhere. > e.g. smart phones, tablets and traditional web sites. No more need to > code for specific platforms: AA handles all this so gracefully that it > makes competitors vomit. No lie. Check it out, free trial downloads available. > > And one more thing... Due to my previously established relationship > with said firm, I can garner a deal for us all. Regular price is ~1K, > cheap at the price, but assuming that I can gather ten or twenty > buy-ins, then the price might drop significantly. > > Restating the aforementioned, I have zero fiscal interest in the Alpha > sfttware firm. I stand to gain absolutely nothing from my endorsement > of their software firm. I just call them as I see them, and in this > case, Idecale AA the leader of the Pack. Nothing else contends.. > > -- > Arthur > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From gustav at cactus.dk Fri Aug 30 02:51:27 2013 From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2013 09:51:27 +0200 Subject: [AccessD] Access 2010 and Citrix Message-ID: <005801cea555$bb50c900$31f25b00$@cactus.dk> Hi all I have this corporate client running one Access 2010 application with an SQL Server backend. Up till now they have had it running locally on workstations from LOCALAPPDATA. I have created a shortcut and a script that copies a fresh frontend from a shared location to the users machine and launch the app as two instances where one is minimized and run some background tasks from a timer. Yesterday they decided that the app should run in their Citrix environment to allow remote workers to access the app without a local copy. They had tried to run the app from the shared folder which of course raised the usual warnings about security and so on. I recalled some old stories of all the troubles running Access in Citrix and was prepared for the worst. However, as a first attempt, I suggested to run it in the same way as usual - running the shortcut and script from the Citrix Desktop. And guess what - it worked right away! The app even launches with an unexpected speed of 4 s from double-click to opening screen of the app. The client was impressed and I earned a lot of credit. So the trick is to prepare your app to run from LOCALAPPDATA on a normal workstation. Then you can move it directly to Citrix. These are the essential code lines: Const LOCALAPPDATA = &H1C Dim objAppShell Dim objLocalAppDataFolder Dim strLocalAppDataFolder Set objAppShell = CreateObject("Shell.Application") Set objLocalAppDataFolder = objAppShell.Namespace(LOCALAPPDATA) strLocalAppDataFolder = objLocalAppDataFolder.Self.Path The strange thing is, that this resolves to: C:\Documents and Settings\\Local Settings\Application Data but access to that folder or its subfolders is denied for Windows Explorer. /gustav From Lambert.Heenan at aig.com Fri Aug 30 08:24:55 2013 From: Lambert.Heenan at aig.com (Heenan, Lambert) Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2013 09:24:55 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Would Like to Display Microsoft Works Data via Access 2007 In-Reply-To: References: <51E28F2A.13403.AEF4E57@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg><009c01cea440$e84fa900$b8eefb00$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: All you should need to do is fire up Works on the old PC, load the Works spreadsheet and then choose Save As on the File menu, selecting the file type "Excel 97-2000". See http://spreadsheets.about.com/od/otherspreadsheets/ss/convert_works.htm Lambert -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brad Marks Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2013 4:12 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: [AccessD] Would Like to Display Microsoft Works Data via Access 2007 All, We have one old PC in the factory that has Microsoft Works 2000 Version 5.0. This PC is not used very much, but it does provide a way to work with a single Works file (which is stored on a server). I would like to replace this old PC with a new one and replace Works with Excel. This is not going to happen in the near future, however. I am curious if there is a way (a utility) to automatically pull the data from the Works file and populate an Excel file with this data. Then I could get at the Excel file from Access. We have an existing "Inquiry" system that is built with Access-2007 that works very nicely. It would be great if we could somehow integrate this old Works data into our existing Inquiry system. I am open to all ideas. Thanks, Brad -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From garykjos at gmail.com Fri Aug 30 08:32:50 2013 From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos) Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2013 08:32:50 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Access 2010 and Citrix In-Reply-To: <005801cea555$bb50c900$31f25b00$@cactus.dk> References: <005801cea555$bb50c900$31f25b00$@cactus.dk> Message-ID: Well done! And thanks for sharing! GK On Fri, Aug 30, 2013 at 2:51 AM, Gustav Brock wrote: > Hi all > > I have this corporate client running one Access 2010 application with an > SQL > Server backend. > > Up till now they have had it running locally on workstations from > LOCALAPPDATA. I have created a shortcut and a script that copies a fresh > frontend from a shared location to the users machine and launch the app as > two instances where one is minimized and run some background tasks from a > timer. > > Yesterday they decided that the app should run in their Citrix environment > to allow remote workers to access the app without a local copy. > > They had tried to run the app from the shared folder which of course raised > the usual warnings about security and so on. I recalled some old stories of > all the troubles running Access in Citrix and was prepared for the worst. > However, as a first attempt, I suggested to run it in the same way as usual > - running the shortcut and script from the Citrix Desktop. And guess what - > it worked right away! The app even launches with an unexpected speed of 4 s > from double-click to opening screen of the app. The client was impressed > and > I earned a lot of credit. > > So the trick is to prepare your app to run from LOCALAPPDATA on a normal > workstation. Then you can move it directly to Citrix. > These are the essential code lines: > > Const LOCALAPPDATA = &H1C > Dim objAppShell > Dim objLocalAppDataFolder > Dim strLocalAppDataFolder > Set objAppShell = CreateObject("Shell.Application") > Set objLocalAppDataFolder = objAppShell.Namespace(LOCALAPPDATA) > strLocalAppDataFolder = objLocalAppDataFolder.Self.Path > > The strange thing is, that this resolves to: > > C:\Documents and Settings\\Local Settings\Application Data > > but access to that folder or its subfolders is denied for Windows Explorer. > > /gustav > > > > > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Gary Kjos garykjos at gmail.com From Lambert.Heenan at aig.com Fri Aug 30 10:15:18 2013 From: Lambert.Heenan at aig.com (Heenan, Lambert) Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2013 11:15:18 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Access 2010 and Citrix In-Reply-To: <005801cea555$bb50c900$31f25b00$@cactus.dk> References: <005801cea555$bb50c900$31f25b00$@cactus.dk> Message-ID: " The strange thing is, that this resolves to: C:\Documents and Settings\\Local Settings\Application Data but access to that folder or its subfolders is denied for Windows Explorer." It's not really denied Gustav, it's just that the sub folder "Local Settings is set by Windows as a hidden folder, but if you type the full path into the Explorer address bar (C:\Documents and Settings\\Local Settings) then you will be able to browse into the folder. Or just tell Explorer to display hidden files and folders in the Tools\Folder Options menu selection. Lambert -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: Friday, August 30, 2013 3:51 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: [AccessD] Access 2010 and Citrix Hi all I have this corporate client running one Access 2010 application with an SQL Server backend. [LH] From gustav at cactus.dk Fri Aug 30 11:59:20 2013 From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2013 18:59:20 +0200 Subject: [AccessD] Access 2010 and Citrix Message-ID: <011901cea5a2$453306a0$cf9913e0$@cactus.dk> Hi Lambert You are right. It is hidden. And the path is "cleaned" when I log off so the excellent doings of my script are wiped out after each session. The Desktop and Documents, however, are persisted. /gustav -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Heenan, Lambert Sendt: 30. august 2013 17:15 Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Emne: Re: [AccessD] Access 2010 and Citrix " The strange thing is, that this resolves to: C:\Documents and Settings\\Local Settings\Application Data but access to that folder or its subfolders is denied for Windows Explorer." It's not really denied Gustav, it's just that the sub folder "Local Settings is set by Windows as a hidden folder, but if you type the full path into the Explorer address bar (C:\Documents and Settings\\Local Settings) then you will be able to browse into the folder. Or just tell Explorer to display hidden files and folders in the Tools\Folder Options menu selection. Lambert -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: Friday, August 30, 2013 3:51 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: [AccessD] Access 2010 and Citrix Hi all I have this corporate client running one Access 2010 application with an SQL Server backend. [LH] From BradM at blackforestltd.com Fri Aug 30 14:20:09 2013 From: BradM at blackforestltd.com (Brad Marks) Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2013 14:20:09 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Would Like to Display Microsoft Works Data via Access2007 References: <51E28F2A.13403.AEF4E57@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg><009c01cea440$e84fa900$b8eefb00$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: Lambert, Thanks for the help. I was hoping to find a utility that would convert the Works Spreadsheet file (that lives on a server) to something that Access 2007 could read, such as an Excel file. I wanted to do this by simply reading the Works file on the server and not touching the old PC that has Works installed. Brad -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan, Lambert Sent: Friday, August 30, 2013 8:25 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Would Like to Display Microsoft Works Data via Access2007 All you should need to do is fire up Works on the old PC, load the Works spreadsheet and then choose Save As on the File menu, selecting the file type "Excel 97-2000". See http://spreadsheets.about.com/od/otherspreadsheets/ss/convert_works.htm Lambert -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brad Marks Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2013 4:12 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: [AccessD] Would Like to Display Microsoft Works Data via Access 2007 All, We have one old PC in the factory that has Microsoft Works 2000 Version 5.0. This PC is not used very much, but it does provide a way to work with a single Works file (which is stored on a server). I would like to replace this old PC with a new one and replace Works with Excel. This is not going to happen in the near future, however. I am curious if there is a way (a utility) to automatically pull the data from the Works file and populate an Excel file with this data. Then I could get at the Excel file from Access. We have an existing "Inquiry" system that is built with Access-2007 that works very nicely. It would be great if we could somehow integrate this old Works data into our existing Inquiry system. I am open to all ideas. Thanks, Brad -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- This message was scanned by ESVA and is believed to be clean. Click here to report this message as spam. http://h0stname/cgi-bin/learn-msg.cgi?id=79F3D28899.929EE From jimdettman at verizon.net Fri Aug 30 14:34:44 2013 From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman) Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2013 15:34:44 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Would Like to Display Microsoft Works Data via Access2007 In-Reply-To: References: <51E28F2A.13403.AEF4E57@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg><009c01cea440$e84fa900$b8eefb00$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: <9439110A37D64E15AB7D7B75280D3013@XPS> I actually just stumbled over this the other night (wife got a file for Choir that was in works format). Turns out, there's not much out there :( Every solution I saw was "open up works on a PC that has it, and save in DBF format". Jim. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brad Marks Sent: Friday, August 30, 2013 03:20 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Would Like to Display Microsoft Works Data via Access2007 Lambert, Thanks for the help. I was hoping to find a utility that would convert the Works Spreadsheet file (that lives on a server) to something that Access 2007 could read, such as an Excel file. I wanted to do this by simply reading the Works file on the server and not touching the old PC that has Works installed. Brad -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan, Lambert Sent: Friday, August 30, 2013 8:25 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Would Like to Display Microsoft Works Data via Access2007 All you should need to do is fire up Works on the old PC, load the Works spreadsheet and then choose Save As on the File menu, selecting the file type "Excel 97-2000". See http://spreadsheets.about.com/od/otherspreadsheets/ss/convert_works.htm Lambert -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brad Marks Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2013 4:12 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: [AccessD] Would Like to Display Microsoft Works Data via Access 2007 All, We have one old PC in the factory that has Microsoft Works 2000 Version 5.0. This PC is not used very much, but it does provide a way to work with a single Works file (which is stored on a server). I would like to replace this old PC with a new one and replace Works with Excel. This is not going to happen in the near future, however. I am curious if there is a way (a utility) to automatically pull the data from the Works file and populate an Excel file with this data. Then I could get at the Excel file from Access. We have an existing "Inquiry" system that is built with Access-2007 that works very nicely. It would be great if we could somehow integrate this old Works data into our existing Inquiry system. I am open to all ideas. Thanks, Brad -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- This message was scanned by ESVA and is believed to be clean. Click here to report this message as spam. http://h0stname/cgi-bin/learn-msg.cgi?id=79F3D28899.929EE -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From BradM at blackforestltd.com Fri Aug 30 15:37:02 2013 From: BradM at blackforestltd.com (Brad Marks) Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2013 15:37:02 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Controlling an Access Reporting Application from an iPhone, iPad or iPod References: <51E28F2A.13403.AEF4E57@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg><009c01cea440$e84fa900$b8eefb00$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: All, A few weeks ago, I posted a question regarding a little R&D project that I was having some fun with regarding how to control an Access Reporting Application from an iPhone, iPad or iPod. Stuart posted a reply regarding his use of a product called Basic4Android that is for building applications on Android devices. Since this exchange of ideas, I have purchased TechBasic ($15) for the Apple realm, and Basic4Android ($35) for the Android world. I have had some success with both products, but I REALLY like Basic4Android. I have been amazed by what I have been able to build in my spare time. This is just a "hobby project" and I just wanted to see what was possible. I have written a little Basic4Android application that collects data from a "text-box", stores this data in an SQL database, uploads this data to a website via FTP, and has a button to then display the website. Coming from an IBM mainframe background where the "big iron" boxes were as large as a semi truck and the database costs were over $20,000/month, I almost could not believe it when I held a 7" Nexus tablet and played with adding data to a SQL database (SQLite). So, I showed this little ap to my wife (of 40 years)... she was not impressed. I then showed it to our youngest son who lives in the world of Android devices - he was not impressed. I then showed it to both our dog and to our neighbor's cat - neither were impressed. I then e-mailed the .apk file (Android Package file) to our son-in-law (married our daughter 6 months ago). He tried the ap and wrote back that he was impressed. However, he is still trying to get in good with the in-laws. I have recently read with some interest the info about Alpha Anywhere. This sounds like a very good product. However, with no budget for R&D hobby projects, Alpha Anywhere may be overkill for my purposes. Perhaps down the road if my employer has the need for a new large project, I will get my hands on Alpha Anywhere. In the mean time, I plan to continue to experiment with Basic4Android at home and continue to use Microsoft Access for the bulk of my company's application work. Brad From newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz Fri Aug 30 16:49:50 2013 From: newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz (David Emerson) Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2013 09:49:50 +1200 Subject: [AccessD] Hiding Report Page Headers Message-ID: <004701cea5ca$da3f4740$8ebdd5c0$@dalyn.co.nz> I have a report that is in two parts - The first is a list of assets, the second is a list of service checklists (these are subreports that are placed onto the main report). There could be several sites in the report (ie Site 1 asset list followed by checklists, Site 2 asset list followed by checklists etc). Each site begins on a new page. The list of assets could run over several pages and has text to appear at the top of every page (page header). The list of service checklists could also run over several pages but should not have the page header showing. Since the page header takes about a quarter of the page I would like the area used for the checklists instead of appearing blank. Any pointers for this - Google searching has not come up with anything that works in my situation. From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Fri Aug 30 17:39:53 2013 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2013 15:39:53 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Hiding Report Page Headers In-Reply-To: <004701cea5ca$da3f4740$8ebdd5c0$@dalyn.co.nz> References: <004701cea5ca$da3f4740$8ebdd5c0$@dalyn.co.nz> Message-ID: Could you put the header text in the header of the asset sub report and leave the headers of the main report and checklist sub-report blank? R -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of David Emerson Sent: Friday, August 30, 2013 2:50 PM To: AccessD Subject: [AccessD] Hiding Report Page Headers I have a report that is in two parts - The first is a list of assets, the second is a list of service checklists (these are subreports that are placed onto the main report). There could be several sites in the report (ie Site 1 asset list followed by checklists, Site 2 asset list followed by checklists etc). Each site begins on a new page. The list of assets could run over several pages and has text to appear at the top of every page (page header). The list of service checklists could also run over several pages but should not have the page header showing. Since the page header takes about a quarter of the page I would like the area used for the checklists instead of appearing blank. Any pointers for this - Google searching has not come up with anything that works in my situation. -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From stephen at bondsoftware.co.nz Fri Aug 30 20:50:58 2013 From: stephen at bondsoftware.co.nz (Stephen Bond) Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2013 13:50:58 +1200 Subject: [AccessD] Hiding Report Page Headers In-Reply-To: <2F90303D13A0494393F3E6B6D7088038@BondSoftware.local> References: <2F90303D13A0494393F3E6B6D7088038@BondSoftware.local> Message-ID: Try the archives. Charlotte posted a solution to something similar on April 5. The subject was "Can Grow" Property in Report Page Header but her answer covered more than that. Stephen Bond -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of David Emerson Sent: Saturday, 31 August 2013 10:01 a.m. To: Stephen Subject: [AccessD] Hiding Report Page Headers I have a report that is in two parts - The first is a list of assets, the second is a list of service checklists (these are subreports that are placed onto the main report). There could be several sites in the report (ie Site 1 asset list followed by checklists, Site 2 asset list followed by checklists etc). Each site begins on a new page. The list of assets could run over several pages and has text to appear at the top of every page (page header). The list of service checklists could also run over several pages but should not have the page header showing. Since the page header takes about a quarter of the page I would like the area used for the checklists instead of appearing blank. Any pointers for this - Google searching has not come up with anything that works in my situation. -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From vbacreations at gmail.com Fri Aug 30 22:14:57 2013 From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson) Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2013 23:14:57 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Controlling an Access Reporting Application from an iPhone, iPad or iPod In-Reply-To: References: <51E28F2A.13403.AEF4E57@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <009c01cea440$e84fa900$b8eefb00$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: 1) check out http://www.webalo.com/ Very powerful. 2) last I knew, FTP is not good for distributed apps because one received file supplants another; listener app looks for a fixed file. From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Fri Aug 30 23:01:31 2013 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2013 14:01:31 +1000 Subject: [AccessD] Controlling an Access Reporting Application from an iPhone, iPad or iPod In-Reply-To: References: , , Message-ID: <52216A9B.4223.10DDF4F1@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> If it's small packets of data, it's probably easier to POST the data to a PHP page on a webserver which then sticks it in the database. -- Stuart On 30 Aug 2013 at 23:14, William Benson wrote: > 1) check out http://www.webalo.com/ Very powerful. > 2) last I knew, FTP is not good for distributed apps because one received > file supplants another; listener app looks for a fixed file. > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > i From accessd at shaw.ca Sat Aug 31 03:17:31 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2013 02:17:31 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [AccessD] Access 2010 and Citrix In-Reply-To: <005801cea555$bb50c900$31f25b00$@cactus.dk> Message-ID: <422397531.44658734.1377937051825.JavaMail.root@cds002> Brilliant. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gustav Brock" To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" Sent: Friday, August 30, 2013 12:51:27 AM Subject: [AccessD] Access 2010 and Citrix Hi all I have this corporate client running one Access 2010 application with an SQL Server backend. Up till now they have had it running locally on workstations from LOCALAPPDATA. I have created a shortcut and a script that copies a fresh frontend from a shared location to the users machine and launch the app as two instances where one is minimized and run some background tasks from a timer. Yesterday they decided that the app should run in their Citrix environment to allow remote workers to access the app without a local copy. They had tried to run the app from the shared folder which of course raised the usual warnings about security and so on. I recalled some old stories of all the troubles running Access in Citrix and was prepared for the worst. However, as a first attempt, I suggested to run it in the same way as usual - running the shortcut and script from the Citrix Desktop. And guess what - it worked right away! The app even launches with an unexpected speed of 4 s from double-click to opening screen of the app. The client was impressed and I earned a lot of credit. So the trick is to prepare your app to run from LOCALAPPDATA on a normal workstation. Then you can move it directly to Citrix. These are the essential code lines: Const LOCALAPPDATA = &H1C Dim objAppShell Dim objLocalAppDataFolder Dim strLocalAppDataFolder Set objAppShell = CreateObject("Shell.Application") Set objLocalAppDataFolder = objAppShell.Namespace(LOCALAPPDATA) strLocalAppDataFolder = objLocalAppDataFolder.Self.Path The strange thing is, that this resolves to: C:\Documents and Settings\\Local Settings\Application Data but access to that folder or its subfolders is denied for Windows Explorer. /gustav -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz Sat Aug 31 05:33:52 2013 From: newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz (David Emerson) Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2013 22:33:52 +1200 Subject: [AccessD] Hiding Report Page Headers In-Reply-To: References: <004701cea5ca$da3f4740$8ebdd5c0$@dalyn.co.nz> Message-ID: <000c01cea635$96503740$c2f0a5c0$@dalyn.co.nz> Rocky, The assets are in the main report. Because the header text could be needed on more than 1 page creating an asset sub report and putting it into that header would not show after the first page. David -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: Saturday, 31 August 2013 10:40 a.m. To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Hiding Report Page Headers Could you put the header text in the header of the asset sub report and leave the headers of the main report and checklist sub-report blank? R -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of David Emerson Sent: Friday, August 30, 2013 2:50 PM To: AccessD Subject: [AccessD] Hiding Report Page Headers I have a report that is in two parts - The first is a list of assets, the second is a list of service checklists (these are subreports that are placed onto the main report). There could be several sites in the report (ie Site 1 asset list followed by checklists, Site 2 asset list followed by checklists etc). Each site begins on a new page. The list of assets could run over several pages and has text to appear at the top of every page (page header). The list of service checklists could also run over several pages but should not have the page header showing. Since the page header takes about a quarter of the page I would like the area used for the checklists instead of appearing blank. Any pointers for this - Google searching has not come up with anything that works in my situation. From newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz Sat Aug 31 05:40:17 2013 From: newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz (David Emerson) Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2013 22:40:17 +1200 Subject: [AccessD] Hiding Report Page Headers In-Reply-To: References: <2F90303D13A0494393F3E6B6D7088038@BondSoftware.local> Message-ID: <000d01cea636$7bc2c590$734850b0$@dalyn.co.nz> Thanks Steve, Found it eventually (it was April 2012). Will see if I can use it. David -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stephen Bond Sent: Saturday, 31 August 2013 1:51 p.m. To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Hiding Report Page Headers Try the archives. Charlotte posted a solution to something similar on April 5. The subject was "Can Grow" Property in Report Page Header but her answer covered more than that. Stephen Bond -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of David Emerson Sent: Saturday, 31 August 2013 10:01 a.m. To: Stephen Subject: [AccessD] Hiding Report Page Headers I have a report that is in two parts - The first is a list of assets, the second is a list of service checklists (these are subreports that are placed onto the main report). There could be several sites in the report (ie Site 1 asset list followed by checklists, Site 2 asset list followed by checklists etc). Each site begins on a new page. The list of assets could run over several pages and has text to appear at the top of every page (page header). The list of service checklists could also run over several pages but should not have the page header showing. Since the page header takes about a quarter of the page I would like the area used for the checklists instead of appearing blank. Any pointers for this - Google searching has not come up with anything that works in my situation. -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Sat Aug 31 10:41:46 2013 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2013 08:41:46 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Hiding Report Page Headers In-Reply-To: <000c01cea635$96503740$c2f0a5c0$@dalyn.co.nz> References: <004701cea5ca$da3f4740$8ebdd5c0$@dalyn.co.nz> <000c01cea635$96503740$c2f0a5c0$@dalyn.co.nz> Message-ID: <329971737C354EBB86E88B886B2A74AA@HAL9007> Oh. Then can you use the print event of the header, find a test to see if you're about to print a checklist and make the header section visible=false? Rocky -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of David Emerson Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2013 3:34 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Hiding Report Page Headers Rocky, The assets are in the main report. Because the header text could be needed on more than 1 page creating an asset sub report and putting it into that header would not show after the first page. David -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: Saturday, 31 August 2013 10:40 a.m. To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Hiding Report Page Headers Could you put the header text in the header of the asset sub report and leave the headers of the main report and checklist sub-report blank? R -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of David Emerson Sent: Friday, August 30, 2013 2:50 PM To: AccessD Subject: [AccessD] Hiding Report Page Headers I have a report that is in two parts - The first is a list of assets, the second is a list of service checklists (these are subreports that are placed onto the main report). There could be several sites in the report (ie Site 1 asset list followed by checklists, Site 2 asset list followed by checklists etc). Each site begins on a new page. The list of assets could run over several pages and has text to appear at the top of every page (page header). The list of service checklists could also run over several pages but should not have the page header showing. Since the page header takes about a quarter of the page I would like the area used for the checklists instead of appearing blank. Any pointers for this - Google searching has not come up with anything that works in my situation. -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz Sat Aug 31 16:09:37 2013 From: newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz (David Emerson) Date: Sun, 1 Sep 2013 09:09:37 +1200 Subject: [AccessD] Hiding Report Page Headers In-Reply-To: <000d01cea636$7bc2c590$734850b0$@dalyn.co.nz> References: <2F90303D13A0494393F3E6B6D7088038@BondSoftware.local> <000d01cea636$7bc2c590$734850b0$@dalyn.co.nz> Message-ID: <000801cea68e$6688c7d0$339a5770$@dalyn.co.nz> This worked - I created a new group with an expression "=0" and put the page header controls into the group header with the Repeat Section property set to yes. This put the group header on top of every page where there were assets and not on the pages after which were defined by sections after the new group footer. (Rocky - I had already tried your suggestion of using the print event of the header to find a test to see if I was about to print a checklist and make the header section visible=false, but I couldn't get it to work from the examples I found on the net and the final solution was much easier.) Thanks again to a great team of experts. Regards David Emerson Dalyn Software Ltd Wellington, New Zealand -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of David Emerson Sent: Saturday, 31 August 2013 10:40 p.m. To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Hiding Report Page Headers Thanks Steve, Found it eventually (it was April 2012). Will see if I can use it. David -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stephen Bond Sent: Saturday, 31 August 2013 1:51 p.m. To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Hiding Report Page Headers Try the archives. Charlotte posted a solution to something similar on April 5. The subject was "Can Grow" Property in Report Page Header but her answer covered more than that. Stephen Bond -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of David Emerson Sent: Saturday, 31 August 2013 10:01 a.m. To: Stephen Subject: [AccessD] Hiding Report Page Headers I have a report that is in two parts - The first is a list of assets, the second is a list of service checklists (these are subreports that are placed onto the main report). There could be several sites in the report (ie Site 1 asset list followed by checklists, Site 2 asset list followed by checklists etc). Each site begins on a new page. The list of assets could run over several pages and has text to appear at the top of every page (page header). The list of service checklists could also run over several pages but should not have the page header showing. Since the page header takes about a quarter of the page I would like the area used for the checklists instead of appearing blank. Any pointers for this - Google searching has not come up with anything that works in my situation. -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com